20 Episode results for "American Embassy"

Virtual Walk: Westminster (Part 1)

Spies of London

17:46 min | 3 months ago

Virtual Walk: Westminster (Part 1)

"Welcome to Spies of London the Westminster walk this walk begins at Pimlico Tube Station primarily because it's the nearest station to MI6 Vauxhall cross and it is therefore quite easy to get to for tourists particularly people who don't know London that well, there are buses as well serve the area of Pimlico quite well and yourself is a short walk from Victoria Station. So the first thing you'll notice when you arrive at Pimlico is there are a lot of exits or at least more than one and more than one exit, especially if it's on a different street song always makes things challenging for Walkers and for meeting people, so I suggest you follow signs to the Tate Gallery and you will then come out in the right place either up the ramp or the steps turn 1080 degrees and you will see a brick building in front of you which is the National Crime agency, or at least one of the National Crime agency offices. Perhaps the most secret and Out song If the NCAA is an area with benches where you can meet me if I'm meeting you in person for Airbnb or where you can start yourself we start at the National Crime Agency for one reason only and it's because it's above Pimlico Tube Station. The National Crime agency is quite knew it doesn't have the Exotic history of FBI in America and it's not vastly important to our history or to espionage in general, but we can't pass it without mentioning it now in recent months after the opening of the American Embassy in nine Elms. I had to change this walk to take the embassy 10. It's not much of a detour but it does mean that you have to cross the main road and at certain times of the day. This is a busy road. So if you orientate yourself with the National Crime agency behind you facing the road in front, you'll see a range of bus stops. Take a left their back towards the rampway just came out of cross the road at the lights and then turn right off. So you were following the road which I think is to the West more or less into Pimlico walk a little further and on the left, you will see a road called Saint George's square and a church, which is the savior's and behind the church is a large grassy area which isn't George's Gardens if you walk along the street, which is a really natural historic Georgian Terrace Street, you'll see a gate a metal gate and walk into the square now, we normally stop here to do our introductions because it's quieter than outside the tube station. It also gives me a chance to talk about our Second Sight on the walk and really our first took the site which is the massive of communist looking apartment block, which is Dolphin Square. The reason I like to do that discussion here is it's quiet and because Dolphins grows a private area. It's not really phone number to stop and talk about the place especially the kind of things we tend to talk about when the residents are walking past you. So we stopped in Saint George's Square exchanged names understand what brought us home. Gather today for the walk and then we talked about often Square. I have the luxury on these recordings of expanding more than I tend to on the router itself. The thing about these walks or indeed any guided walk off is that the walk is always unsatisfactory to just about everybody it is too long for some people and too short for others too quiet too. Noisy to windy too hot to cold. This is just human nature. But if I have eight people on the walk you can guarantee I'll get ten different reviews. So feel free to fast-forward any stages that you don't like the look of but I do want to mention dolphin Square in some detail because as well as having a rich history here is also been mentioned in the recent John le carre book a legacy of spies and this book came out the month in September 2017. I first started doing these walks, so I had to include this and I had a lot of John the character and specifically interested in looking for Dolphin square, but I first heard about dolphin Square from another Walker dead. Came along in August of that year when I was just launching the walks and he asked me about dolphins square and he pointed in the direction of it and I looked it up and I couldn't believe my eyes. So one thing to start it off here than it is to look at the instructions that Peter Gilliam received in the John le carre novel reading from John temporary accommodation has been obtained for you effective. Today's date at apartment 110 be Hood house dolphin Square London SW following conditions apply. I am to keep no pets no unauthorized third-party to be admitted. I am to be present and available in the premises between 2200 hours and oh seven hundred hours or supplier legal department with notification in advance. So Peter Gilliam has been summoned back from his wonderful French Farmhouse to account for past actions that he and George Smiley of carried out in the in the history and particularly with Alec leamas who was in a spy home. In from the cold who was the the hero in that story now dolphin Square you can look this up as you know, I have a Blog with some of these photos on the used to hand around on a tablet. There is no substitute for actually going to Dolphin Square. It is massive. It is split into at least four different blocks or houses of which Hood house just mentioned is one of them and I tell people to keep a lookout for hotels as we won't pass. It has an underground swimming pool a restaurant shopping arcade. It's really nice. I love it. There's no balconies. There's no outdoor space except the garden in the center. I love it because it's roughly Art Deco. It was very very ground when it was built. There was Porter's that would park your car for you. You could walk out across the road to a jetty where you could sail your yacht onto the river which was never built and former. It was always planned and it's in the some of the diagrams that you'll see. I have a really interesting book about dolphin Square. There was supposed to be a little Harbor there for residents. That was never built but there is a Gardens there. So as you walk through Thursday, In square keep John le carre's words in mind soon. The lighted Hulk of dolphin Square was rising at me out of the haze ever since I had rallied to the secret flag. The place has gives me the Shivers dolphin Square in my day had more safe flat to the cubic foot than any building on the planet and there wasn't one of them where some luckless Joe hadn't been briefed of debriefed. It was also the place where Alec leamas had spent his last night in England as a guest of moscow's recruiter before setting out on the journey that killed him flat 105-ten be Hood house did nothing to dispel his ghost circus safe Flats had always been models of planned discomfort. So the idea is that he's not being sent to the Reps here at home has been sent somewhere that is uncomfortable tricky to get to and foggy and that's to give him the Jitters before he gets interrogated by his Old Masters, and it was a connection off. Calls between Hood house and the hood hoodlum Gangsta kind of idea and Alex son seems to think that they are basically naughty boys and hoodlums. They're not really suck Diplomat sore police people. They are really trouble and it's a really dark world that they operate in. Well, he would think that wouldn't because his father was killed in the line of duty, but it's it's a Viewpoint and the more I dig into these spy stories the more you wonder what it's all for because Thirty forty fifty years after these massive scandals, especially around Kim philby Anthony blunt and the moles which John le Coq adapted for his most famous stories that Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy series of which this is one Thirty forty fifty years later nobody remembers what was going on or what? It was all about or knows anybody and the world moves. So what seems to be a matter of life and death Earth shattering importance at the time suddenly looks a bit silly forty years later unless you are personally involved in your family has been affected by these authors. So there's no question. The dolphin Square was very ground. It is still very large but it's lost some of its Grandeur nice little bit Dusty and Faded around the edges, but we leave by the front gate which is always open as far as I can tell 24/7 cross the road. However, you prefer and into the gardens opposite and if you walk to the riverbank, you will see the US embassy at nine Elms and this really is an important thought building. It has been ten years or so in the making it's effectively a cube. I'm certain there are several levels of basement at least one edge of the site is an artificial Lake which is helpful against terrorists and attacks on the reason America moved here was because Grosvenor Square which you will find on the Mayfair walk was just too claustrophobic. They had experienced rocket attacks and bombs in other countries and they've increased security but the London government wouldn't let America seal off the streets around Grosvenor square and basically occupy those streets. So although one Edge was comparatively safe wage. From the park how they could have cost five an RPG across the park quite easily the other size the other three sides where you have side streets right next to the building were really becoming a terrorist worry. Nothing ever happened there, of course the police the British place and the Americans are very sharp on their security, but although nothing happened. I think the building was getting tired it need to revamp. It was in a bad location in many ways. So America could move to nine Elms have a much bigger site most of which is empty but it's that buffer between American land and the outside world which gives them peace of mind and it's a very modern eco-friendly building. It looks fabulous and although it is in the middle of nowhere nine Elms is being developed right away and to Battersea in the battery power station, which used to provide Power to Dolphin Square. So the American Embassy itself is very dramatic, but you have to see it to really believe it just like with Dolphin square box. A story I normally tell here is the one where Phil B and Burgess and MacLean found themselves working with the CIA in America representing MI6 and it was really guy Burgess that long to the problems that these three men had and you have to wonder if guy Burgess hadn't been so Indiscreet and Reckless whether they would ever have been caught because the sequence of events as I recall it off was essentially that Burgess had been getting more and more drunk driving faster and faster in his car. He used to get stopped frequently for speeding and just becoming a problem and as the Americans and it was the issue is who discovered these men as the Americans did more and more research. They started to realize that MacLean in particular was trouble and this investigation reached the ears of Kim which implicated him because he told MacLaine that he had to get out of America risk capture interrogation. So Burgess accompanied McClain back to England. They said a very dog Short time before catching the ferry to France and then escaping to Moscow, but when this happened the Americans realized that somebody else must be involved to have tipped them off and that investigation eventually led to the door of Kim philby and resulted in his defection to Moscow as well. So although the Americans that had suspicions for some time. It was really Burgess his behavior that tipped them over the edge and got them involved and got them close to understanding exactly what was going on. Britain didn't really believe that philby was involved and that was partly down to his Charisma and charm that they didn't believe it and his bank account as well and you'll see his school letter in this walk. So that's my American Embassy story and it's a fascinating building but you can walk along the river now towards the bridge now, unfortunately, this is one of the bridges where you cannot walk underneath the footpath stops at the bridge. So you must exit to the road then what I prefer to do is go down to the lights at the crossroads crossover stay in front of them. Side Apartments so that you get a much more dramatic view of Mi sex when it eventually blasts into your eye line, or you can walk straight back towards the river next the bridge and follow the riverbank towards Mi sex this location, which is a green space a nice garden with some sculptures is also opposite the morpeth arms, which is a fabulous Pub for viewing MI6. They even have a viewing Gallery off the first floor with telescopes which might seem hilarious because this was meant to be a secret building or was it will in fact Vauxhall cross opened in 1994, and there was an awful lot of parliament published in that year which for the very first time officially admitted the existence of MI5 and MI6 and from that point the director General's have both agencies was published the address was published and now it might seem ridiculous in the age of Google Maps and Apple maps that you can have an office that nobody knew about but the in the second Field House years the birth To a Year's these locations were secret. They had no name plates. In fact, they had deliberately confusing nameplates famously. The Minimax fire extinguisher company of Rome was used on one of the buildings. Vauxhall cross has been in every James Bond films since Pierce Brosnan's years. It's been rocketed with Judi Dench as M as she crossed the bridge. It's very famous. It's pretty much as iconic else I can get for government office and it's supposed to be the most secret. So it coincided with a opening up of the Secret Service in Britain and more of an accountability which was partly pushed through from Europe as well. Trying to set these organizations on a sound legal footing this also gave rise to the section seven set of protocols to do with MI6 agents and gchq agents breaking the law have other countries whilst overseas, which is also mentioned in another episode and there is a court case going on to try and uncover the precise nature of the rules around that act now the section of seven is dead. Knowledge but there was a protocol that is not public knowledge which specifies what the foreign secretary can and can't allow MI6 to do under what circumstances that's the subject of an ongoing legal action. And my name is absolutely fascinating and it's like a fortress but you will see it contrasts heavily to MI5 even the color of the security cameras on the building are completely different to him I V the whole thing which is nice and steal is almost Square it has several basement levels and it's severely fenced off with turnstiles and all kinds of other paraphernalia those things which look like guns on the roof are actually for cleaning the windows. We walk now along the riverbank towards MI5 and I do my trick here like I do on the Mayfair walk when I say stop at the embassy of Qatar what I say to people here is stop when you get to change my V. I like to stretch of the river. It's always windy no matter what the weather's doing, but it's a great walk you often see a lot of tourists coming in and out of Thames house and you see the millbank tower once the home of the Dead A party of Great Britain now the home of Russia today with a fabulous view over the British government people normally stop when they get to the maritime organization, which is on the South Bank of the Thames perhaps it has because it has so many flags but they building of interest to us is on the same bank as you and it's right under your nose. If you can see the maritime organization turn around off the road and you'll see a very large brick building with a huge Archway. This is Tim's house and it's been the home of MI5 for just about as long as MI6 have been there across the river Palm as always with these kind of buildings. There are rumors of a tunnel between the two so that the heads and staff can get together at times of Crisis or emergency. This is eminently believable. It wasn't Refuge by my Navy colleague believe it if you will this MI5 headquarters has appeared in Spooks. He was also the scene of a terror attack when a man emerged into the foyer brandishing a knife. He was apprehended within seconds wage. Does show a level of openness that MI6 does not share there is no way you could get into the foyer of MI6 because it's fenced off behind turnstiles MI5. Although the main entrance does have that proof shelters Behind These are normally open during office hours on one of my walks. When I visited Marshall Court, which is behind this building and our next stop by could see an open door at the back but it felt like anybody could just walk into this would be deceiving because there are lots of security cameras on the building. There are the classic tank proof bollards around every British government building here in Westminster dog is pretty secure but it just has the feeling that it's less secure in in the sense of being more welcoming than M16 and I think that is partly deliberate partly. It's the fact that the building was designed for the purposes and is the mirror off of one across the roundabout where as MI6 was custom built from the ground up on a virgin site just like the American Embassy so that stems house take a close look and then walk around wage. back of the building and you'll head towards Martian Court, which was the home of Morris Oldfield a former head of the Secret Service and want the target of terrorist bombers, but you'll have to wait for part to to find out about Morris and the bomb home

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Spies of London

03:50 min | 2 months ago

TRAILER: Welcome from Paul

"Welcome to Spies of London with me Paul dettman. So my name's Paul. I have been a fan of spy fiction and spy movies for my whole life. The first Spy book. I read which I really enjoyed and remember as being a turning point for me was Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy by John le carre I missed the TV show the first time around but the Alec Guinness TV series is amazing as well. I'd also read Frederick Forsyth The Day of the Jackal everybody like the James Bond movies in the eighties Rodger Moore remains my favorite James Bond, but it was John Lee carries books, which really made me understand that Espionage and spying is about the mind and the Brain as much as it is about dashing around with guns in 2017. I took this further home and became one of the very first Air B&B experienced hosts in London doing spy walks in Mayfair Westminster along the terms and later on Baker Street when I was looking at the second world war my May faith. What was the first one? It's a cold war walk which starts out the old American Embassy as it is now and the sight of the litvinenko poisoning and walks through Mayfair finishing at Fleming's hotel, which is also famous for its spy history. This tour is great because it takes in John le carre a locations from his books. It takes in the litvinenko poisoning lots of embassies the Saudi Embassy in particular Shepherd Market, which has links to espionage as well as lots of other stories in the past and even rare book shops the walk has everything. So I wanted to do a podcast because I wanted to be able to offer the walks virtually to people who either cannot or will not or don't want to go to London physically. You can listen now anywhere in the world to the Mayfair walk and the Thames walk which also box the new American Embassy but you can also follow them with your earphones on walking around London if you want to and it's totally free, that's the great thing completely free, but the podcast allows me to look at particular spy books aspect. Non fiction these days focusing mainly on the Cold War but also on World War II soe and very recent happenings like the navalny poisoning the podcast comes out every week usually on a Friday. It's currently a solo podcast but I do have some spy friends and ideas for interviews with writers and spy experts in the UK and although we are recorded and I am based in the UK. We had very much Global Outlook. We do welcome listeners from the US Canada five eyes countries and Beyond including India and China as well. So we try to be objective following some of my recent episodes. You might find me somewhat skeptical about the FSB and g i u but we do try to be objective where we can I try and keep episodes down below half an hour 20 minutes is the sweet spot for people doing commuting and also your attention span, you know, if you're cooking the dinner if you're driving somewhere. If you see to fit 20 minutes into most things the great thing is the podcast is completely free to listen to and I am even fighting hard job. To avoid any advertising you can find this podcast on any of your favorite podcast apps and if you're struggling to find an app, if you don't want to use the standard Apple or Google ones, please go to Spotify, and you can listen on the website and you can follow using your favorite app from there. We are also on Spotify. We are on Stitch. We are on literally everything overcast Pocket Casts off the new Amazon podcast audible thing that's happening soon. We are everywhere. We are completely free. We come out on a Friday and it will only tell you twenty minutes to Listen to If you like spies and you like walk by fiction and you like cold war and you're interested in London Spies of London, is the place to go I'm Paul and I'm really looking forward to welcoming you want to the podcast please go and listen. It is completely free forever.

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BERT and Podcasting Supremacy

Marketing Over Coffee

21:58 min | 1 year ago

BERT and Podcasting Supremacy

"Getting over coffee I'm John Wall Christopher Ben Alright and Bert is in the house level setting I what the heck is this thing so Bert stands for Bidirectional encoder representations for essentially up until about a year ago machine learning and AI sense of it so if you typed in for example best marketing podcast hopefully marketing the problem with that approach is it Mrs Nuance once you start getting into more just best marketing podcasts a similar thing like best espresso near Espresso shops so the oldest audience in San this these new models so even if you never utter the word coffee the Algorithm understands that you were talking about allows people to have conversation inquiries and most importantly understands prepositions of modifier for the American Embassy now the query understands the in is a modifier but marketers the big thing is this it means that the idea of optimizing now when we do we have to be thinking about answering questions at contextual hey John what's the best marketing podcast you've listened to you lately right you're probably tent with in order to rank well for the way these work so there's a couple of big takeaways number one title conversation about a topic that may not be in the initial inquiry but are semantically perfect so you're going to need the subject matter experts you're going to need to change your Seo tools and optional for anybody who's doing seo as their thing you must have not anymore yeah it seems like to get your Seo game where it needs to be you're going to have to do some at that oh absolutely content farms you know the five dollar blog that's another thing that's really important because this model can understand text context the document level it's GonNa look and go this is just nonsense you just copied and pasted this it's a crack at your content you're probably going to want to go back through and revise all of that there's actually a full post over at too so you can grab that through the show notes and read more if you roken down by industry having events tied into that but of course it's all in the delivery and the functions because it's just so much better than event prayed for getting into business type stuff so we'll even that's intercom motto so consider this their invitation to businesses to step it up with messaging your comic Stingier team with conversational bots and guided tours inside your product did he get proactive with their visitors and just twelve months with inter-community got forty five percent channel yet go to intercom dot com slash podcast that's intercom. Dot WanNa be we had some interesting stats on that but unfortunately the stuff we can't share I wish we could we think intercom for their support of the show okay quantum supremacy we've talked about so this is a big announcement by Google saying that they have you know they're they're working quantum a two years late we did this two years ago and so there's there's a lot of that but what's pickle right now there isn't a there there because of the nature of the ex- right it's not good at that what it's good at our aches a lot of sense like simulating a drugs interactions in your bloodstream about the you know they're they're looking at the potential quantum computing but yeah it's I if the Guru I have PhD's in on physical right but of being able to look at Massive possible permutations post in there there was a gem of a quote in their computer in its entire lifetime and it would still not solve that in the like you said IBM came somebody one of the engineers had said you know what really impresses is if you could come up with a real world application the it as like drag racing or something you know it's like you're just building these insanely hinch engines I would love to see us you know in chemistry finding superconductors like if there is something that could number folks who are taking decades and decades of all data like from now dusting off that data and rerunning new simulations in finding Oh this is actually useful and arthritis drug that didn't work out so well or you know recreational so that on the side of like material science stuff the tremendous amount of opportunity where whole areas that you know when we say data-mining you're always talking about drilling into data you already have but so yet kind of trolling through the pages of history that's very cool to dig stuff up and for its own show do we need to dedicate a whole lot of time to that or is there just a thumbnail. CCPA not the individual level so if you have information identifying the second thing and this one was was fascinated me GDP are imposes a cap a toy company right when you've got a million names in your database you can be fined seven hundred dollars so there are there are some twists and turns it but for the most part work you now have very strong and said did you so all right yes well the link to that you can dig give us some free time to do this foolish podcast check out the social twenty twenty report how musically the by the parent company of Tick Tock Start pulling back weeks using yeah tick tock has thirty million users in America they have six hundred million in China if you'd read the Social Networks Twenty Twenty paper you've known this a few weeks yeah you wouldn't there Oh an interesting what Netflix testing variable play times I thought this was but they did have to use cases that were interesting was just if you've seen a movie before and you WanNa Kinda down a little bit I thought that was interesting but Hollywood coming out all guns blazing saying that you know no AH I don't get it you know certainly the aspect called video description which for inaccessibility is when it's for blind a blue blazer has a cup of coffee to Christian narrates essentially what's going on on screen for yeah and it's funny I do have to say call out the authors but I've had more than one audio book make it through the Buck I wouldn't have been able to get through the book otherwise but so we'll see where pushback all they have the picture on the show notes because giant plane with x wing fighters on it is and of course this is probably good with the Oh yeah and that was one point on the holidays is that this holiday season has thing over forty percent of people will do all of their shopping on Amazon which I thought was interesting or getting a set of bone conduction headphones right yes so these are advantages of this is that you can wear full on like a rifle and shotgun like everyone who's ever tried these like yeah the base sucks because it's trying to push operation but I'm looking forward to it for airplanes and trains yeah yeah to keep noise down while about the same number that's absolutely a rookie mistake but they did it anyways so your buds that have supposedly as good noise reduction as the over the years set but which they're going to three different sizes on the fit it's going to be a tight fit. Ah Yeah it'll be interesting the other thing I'm looking forward to the bone conduction wear them for example while you're driving it is thoroughly safe to do so because there's literally nothing impeding outside whatever on headphones throughout their drop dot com has got the hi so if you have somebody that loves listening to classical music or as an audio file just a sound stage that just can't be beat as far as you know spreading the music out and giving fantastic winding down for the rest of the year to approach in the holidays we've got some road trips coming up that we're going to be down L. L. client meetings and individuals stuff yeah that sounds good if you're gonNA be in the Boston and New York in listening to marketing over coffee. Christopher Penn blogs at Christopher home is called Mellow g by funk masters and you can find it at Music Halley.

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Full Episode: Tuesday, December 31, 2019

World News Tonight with David Muir

16:36 min | 11 months ago

Full Episode: Tuesday, December 31, 2019

"Search tonight in the final hours of twenty nineteen in American embassy under siege. Hundreds of protesters stormed the gates of the US embassy in Baghdad setting setting fires around the complex of massive crowd retaliating for American air strikes against any Ronnie and back militia group Iraq and just in the Pentagon sending additional forces to protect the embassy president trump blaming Iran for the protest here at home. The New Year's storm heavy snow ice and flooding the new system moving in going coast to coast Ginger Zee in Times Square counting down the forecast at twenty twenty high security in place for the party of the year ear hundreds of thousands packing into Times Square and for the first time. A fleet of high tech drones keeping watch over the crowd new details about the desperate search for two missing children police warning. They're both in danger and saying their mother has completely refused to help find them new reporting on that deadly church shooting in Texas. The minister revealing they had wire contact with the gunman scare at the front door. I got a man saying he was carjacked. Kidnapped snapped robbed and shot escaping to a house cleaning through the home security camera for help. The unsuspecting drivers swallowed up by a sinkhole opening opening up in the street without warning and a growing wildfire emergency in Australia. Thousands trapped cut off by the flames. Some rushing to the beach to be rescued rescued as Sydney's sets off its famous fireworks display for the New Year. This is ABC News. Tonight with David Muir good evening. Thanks for joining us on a busy New Year's Eve I'm with Johnson in for David Tonight. We begin with the breaking developments overseas the American embassy in Baghdad under her siege the situation escalating hundreds of protesters storming the gates retaliation for US air strikes targeting Iranian backed militia group in Iraq the mob setting fires scaling the walls breaking through the outer barricades protestors smashing doors and windows. US military choppers overhead firing flares ears to protect Americans on the ground the embassy now on lockdown about one hundred marines sent in for support. And we're just learning. Hundreds more troops could be on the way breath. President trump warning Iran will quote. Pay a very big price. ABC's James Longman leading US off chanting death to America an unprecedented assault hundreds of Shiite militia and their supporters today laying siege to the US embassy in Baghdad. It's supposed to be one of the most secure in the world and yet crowds tried to storm. The compound setting fire to guard posted embassy walls prying an embassy plaque off the entrance entrance and trying to break through windows just pane of glass. Separating gods from protested American troops taking up position the roof of the embassy firing tear gas the times as hundreds of US personnel hunkered down inside in the fog of big ass the flags of Qatar Hezbollah flying flying outside embassy wolves. It was that iranian-backed militia targeted in. US strikes over the weekend after they killed an American contractor supporters had come from the funerals of their fighters to attack the embassy. President trump today laying the blame directly on Iran. tweeting Iran will be held fully responsible for lives lost adding. They will pay a very big price. This is not a warning. It's a threat happy new year. He called the Iraqi Prime Minister. Commanding he protect the US embassy that Iran's grip over Baghdad's government is tight one sign of that today before the attack Iraqi security services had allowed militia to flood this diplomatic area normally off limits by nightfall a show of force to American Apache helicopters helicopters firing flares over the embassy and a warning to protest is about one hundred marines have now arrived to reinforce security at the embassy. We're learning hundreds more the. US troops could be deployed to the Middle East as early as tonight. So let's get right to James Longman and James Right now. There are still no plans to evacuate the embassy. See now. That's right written tonight. The situation outside the embassy has come but those militia groups have repeated Vavau to retaliate against the US demanding its withdrawal tensions with Iran. Still at an all time high with James Longman our thanks to you tonight. Meanwhile back here at home. The New Year's Eve storm storm on the final day of two thousand nineteen drivers facing heavy snow and icy roads. Your Brecksville the driver of a semi truck injured going down an embankment in Indiana the trailer hanging from an overpass there plus a new storm ready to hit the West on day. One of the New Year. Let's get to. ABC's chief meteorologist. Ginger Zee Ginger. Happy New Year Happy New Year. All the folks around me very happy with the forecast for tonight. Yes we've had a little sprinkle or two but it is going to be mostly dry tonight tonight. Look at this time square ball drop forecast temperature thirty nine which is above average. The wind chill about thirty for the gusty winds. Not GonNa Bother too many folks here but when you look west I would not want to be traveling from party to party say anywhere through Pennsylvania and upstate New York snow showers the snow squalls coming through or even rain. Then you go dry to the southeast. It's rain and snow. In the Pacific Northwest Washington State and Oregon could see wind gusts up to forty five miles per hour. That could impact their party tonight. Happy Twenty twenty to come with all right. Thank you ginger singer. One million people are expected to pack into Times Square for the ICONIC BULBS ROB their crowds streaming in at this hour the nypd out in full force launching being new high tech equipment overhead. Here's ABC's Adrian banker tonight for the first time. Ever on New Year's Eve specialized drones will be dotting adding the skies over New York to protect one of the world's biggest celebrations. Times Square is probably going to be the safest place on the planet Earth about a million people will pack Times Times Square. I going through several layers of security including metal detectors and bomb sniffing dogs authorities say there is no specific credible threat but thousands thousands of NYPD. Officers with heavy weapons will be on guard. You have all these resources on the ground. Our aviation unit will be overhead surveying cops and ensuring the crowd. You're safe inside a special command center. There are police monitoring more than twelve hundred cameras as well as feeds from helicopters and those drones the NYPD hyped also has the capability to block unauthorized drones from above Times Square. And on the ground blockades of huge trucks. Creating a ring of steel will. Nobody else puts that kind of effort into an event like this. And here's one more note about those drones. These again are highly specialized. They are equipped with thermal imaging. Three Three D. mapping technology and the ability to zoom in on anything on the ground. You can see a lot going on right behind us one of those massive trucks. We talked about and a huge line of people crowding into the security Freddie checkpoint. We hope everyone is safe with that is for sure Adrian thank you. We move on now to president. Trump's looming senate impeachment trial and possible cracks within the GOP Senator Susan Collins Collins becoming the second Republican senator this week to criticize majority leader. Mitch McConnell for coordinating with the White House and now saying she's open to calling witnesses. ABC's Cure Phillips in West Palm Beach. Tonight she is the latest Republican to break ranks with Senate Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell. It is inappropriate in my judgement for senators on either side of the aisle. To prejudge the the evidence Senator Susan Collins of Maine criticizing McConnell's vow to work in total coordination with the White House in the president's impeachment. Trial revealing she is now open to witnesses in the coming proceedings collins now the second senator to be critical of McConnell she follows Alaska Republican Lisa Murkowski skeet. Who says she is disturbed by his comments on the other side of the aisle? Their own potential flip votes to worry about senator. Doug Jones a Democrat from from Deep Red Alabama. Up For re election in twenty twenty is now calling on the Senate to allow witnesses for a full fare and complete trial in a Washington and post op ED. But he's signaled he's opened deciding with Republicans in a final vote. If those dots aren't connected and there are other explanations and I think are consistent with innocence. Listen I will go that. Way And Cure. Phillips is with the President in West Palm Beach Kira removal from office requires a two-thirds vote which is highly unlikely likely but there are other important matters only require a simple majority that's right with matters is critical as which witnesses would be called to testify could come down to crucial moderates like Collins Murkowski and Romney if they break with their party. Republicans may come up short failing to hit those fifty eighty one votes even though they hold the majority in the Senate wit or Acura. Thanks to you thank you next tonight. North Korea issuing a New Year's warning state run media reporting according Kim Jong UN is promising to unveil a new strategic weapon in the near future the announcement coming one week after he promised to send the US quote Christmas Gift President Trump previously warning him. He risked losing everything. If he does not take steps to denuclearize his country new tonight about that deadly Church church shooting in Texas the minister now claiming they had passed incidents with the shooter. The church sometimes giving him food but he would get mad when they wouldn't give him money witnesses Hussein. The gunman came in wearing a wig and fake beard before opening fire. ABC's Marcus more in Texas again tonight tonight. New details are emerging about the suspect in Sunday's deadly attack on this Texas church the Church's pastor telling the Christian Chronicle the gunman had been to the church before saying quote. We've helped him on several occasions with food adding that the suspect would get mad when they wouldn't give him cash key. Kanani who witnesses. The set was wearing a fake beard and dark coat gunned down sixty seven year old Richard wide and sixty four year old Tony Wallis before a hero congressman killed him. The entire incident president captured on the Church's livestream could not even had a lengthy criminal record including arrests for assault in Oklahoma but a court ultimately ruled him mentally incompetent to stand trial trial on those charges. It is still a mystery as to why he went back to the church Sunday with a shotgun congregation coming together Monday night holding individual at the church tragedies word that's often used in a word that nobody wants to hear or say I lost two great men tonight. Police are still trying to pinpoint a motive as the community remembers the two men killed in this tragic shooting with our Markus. Thanks now to authorities is intensifying their search for two missing children in Idaho. The siblings disappearing in September police believe they are in danger and that their mother knows where they are but refuses assist to tell them. Here's ABC's chief national correspondent. Matt Gutman Tonight Police in Idaho fearing the worst for seventeen year old Kylie Ryan and her little brother other seven-year-old. Jj Valo missing since September. Jay Jay's grandmother hasn't spoken to the boy since the summer it was the 35-second facetime we. We're able to talk to him for those few seconds. Police now believe their mother Lori valid debacle knows either where the children are or what has happened to them earlier this year. Laurie Val married Chad Day bell after his wife Tammy died. Police are now investigating. Tammy Day Bell's death chat in. Laurie fled the state earlier. This month after police found they had misled them about the children's whereabouts. Laurie allegedly line to friends saying tighly had died over a year ago tonight. Investigators saying we strongly believe that Josh went tiles lives are endangered. Why they're doing what they're doing and doesn't make any sense? Laurie Spam family believe she joined a religious group created by her husband. Chad and attorney for Chad and Laura Bell says they are both loving parents and spouses adding we look forward to addressing the allegations once. They've moved past speculation and rumor but police want them to come forward now with backup and thank thank you now to the wildfire emergency Australia. Massive fires destroying homes firefighters driving through the flames there. Sydney going ahead with its famous fireworks works display despite calls to cancel the event thousands facing a frightening start to the new year fleeing to nearby beaches to be rescued. ABC's Maggie Rulli in in Sydney tonight. Dramatic new images of the catastrophic fire danger igniting parts of Australia. These firefighters in New South Wales shelter inside their truck weaving through a raging inferno. We've parts of Australia. Issuing mass evacuations apocalyptic this is in the middle of the day I record high temperatures fueling the deadly flames killing at least twelve thousand in the southeast coastal town of Malakula trapped by the fires. This guy turning a deep red is families seek refuge boats ambitious prepared to jump into the water pretty extreme it was very scary. Flames leaving only charred remains behind kangaroo seen fleeing from the smoke but despite the wildfire emergency cindy still setting off the fireworks show to ring in the New Year a small group of firefighters from the. US have been here since early December but now Australia is pleading for any and all additional resources. Texas went all right Maggie. Thank you much of the world already. 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Target USA -- Episode 172: Jonna Mendez, former CIA chief of disguise talks about her book, 'The Moscow Rules'

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Target USA -- Episode 172: Jonna Mendez, former CIA chief of disguise talks about her book, 'The Moscow Rules'

"From podcast. One coming up in this episode of target USA, John Mendez, the former CIA chief of disguise has written a book. It's called the Moscow rules how to comport yourself on the streets of Moscow because you are going to have surveillance duck to you like glue. And you know, how do you how do you manage your day to day with that kind of a team on you, whether you walking down the street or driving in your car? Whether you're in your apartment talking to your wife or your at work in the hallways. They're surveillance everywhere. The Moscow rules were giving you some courage that you could persevered even with that, at all this program, you'll also hear about Jonah's role in Argo. That's right. You remember the movie while she was a part of the real story. Her husband, Tony orchestrated the escape of six American diplomats from the Canadian embassy in Tehran. Iran in nineteen. Eighty coming up on this edition of target USA national security podcast from WTO in Washington DC. This is target. USA. Russia, could render huge arm to this country, North Korea's secret missile capable of reaching the whole of the United States dangerous terrorist. DC is repeatedly mentioned someplace they would like to seek an attack criminal successful. America as a target on its back and on this program, we investigate the threats the people behind them, the agencies fighting them and the impact on you. This is target USA, be national security podcast. I'm Jay Jay green. If you've ever seen any JAMES BOND movie, you know, there is a character called Q in the movie and Q, essentially stands for quartermaster. He's the person that supplies all of the cool gadgets that bond uses to make his daring escapes, and to support his activities. Well, the CIA has its own and on this program, we talked to the former chief of disguise, her name is Gina Mendez. I was representing the CIA. At one point, I was chief of disguise, you say that so matter of factly. But there's nothing matter of fact about what you did would you tell us just briefly characterize, what it was that, that title in that job included. Mean chief of disguise men that you were responsible for a staff that was scattered around the world. It was composed of two pieces. One was operational. That means people that were in the field, working with our materials in the case officers, and the other piece smaller, but just as important was the RND part of our program, the research and development piece that brought our materials in our technologies forward always trying to create a better product. What were some of the products that you created, what is it skies product? Well, the hair goods that we worked with would be a product we could use. We could use genuine hair which looked beautiful, but it was the same issue of keeping it up of taking care of it be walked in the rain in a real hair wig. It would look like you've been in the shower. So there was that. And then there were all kinds of artificial replicas of real hairs, some of them more more realistic than others. Connec Alon was one that you could walk in the rain and shake your head and just like your dog. You'd look you look just like you look before it rained, but connected on, if you looked at it under various light sources might look alarming. It might look like you had glowing. Head. So you had to be very careful where that was going to be used. We always looking for, for hair goods that would. That would act just like normal hair in many circumstances. As far as we made overhead masks, those were. What are commonly referred to as stunt double masks out now lay those were made from latex? They didn't Atta mate. They didn't move. They weren't meant to move. They were just meant to change a person's ethnicity or gender. From a distance. They were very effective. They were very uncomfortable. You couldn't wear them in a hot climate in a in a really humid environment. You would just think you were going to melt, maybe you were. So we were always looking at materials for masks to see where we could take it could we find something that, that animated could we find something that breathed could we find something that we could finish in a way that it would have that translucent look that that skin has reflect right? Reflect light the same way, so based on the circumstances, under which we met, assuming you chief that quite spectacularly with that particular mask that you were hoping to achieve is that correct? Tell us tell us tore audience about that story. The, the mass that does move. You know, we weren't talking about masks at all for many, many years was actually about a year ago that we were able to discuss mask, technology. It's kind of funny because everyone always assumed we had masks, but we could just never address it. Getting a mass to animate is critical because if it if it doesn't animate they're very few uses for it. But if you can get a mask that you can interact with other people wearing it the doors just wide open. So our technology came from Hollywood, it came from some special effects people, some makeup, people who had done a lot of work on materials. There was a little bit of cyber involved in, in that you, would you could scan a person, three hundred sixty degrees, so you didn't need the actual person sitting in your in your lab for hours and hours. You could you could work on a replica of that person. So when we started producing when we started having a production run. That's that's disarming term a production. Run mitt. Maybe one. We. Week. But when we started producing them I got the first one I was chief disguised at the time. So they made for me an African American male vase, look good. It looks very good. It looks so good that I briefed the head of CIA. And he said, this was Bill Webster. He said, let's go to the White House. Let's show the president. I said, I can't wear this to the White House. I can't walk it. I can't talk it. I can't maintain it. It's just pretty look at. So he said, we'll make another one. So we did mask number two. Did go to the White House. We went down early. I went in with no identification with no paperwork whatsoever. My, my bona feet as were that I was with judge Webster, and he was hit ac-. I we went in, we got stuck outside of the Oval Office because there was a meeting inside was going long. And so we were standing around they were all telling jokes and laughing, I was chewing on a pencil laughing. I was in agony. Because you get a little paranoid when you're wearing this stuff. I mean you kind of a I this was the first serious taking this thing out in public, and, and so who was the president at the time, George H W Bush, and he was a former director of the CIA. So I'm assuming that part of the reason for going and showing was one to since obviously, he was the person that the CIA answer to he would see what you up to, but also, he's would be very sympathetic audience to what it was that you had to achieve in your in your in your daily work role. Exactly right. All of those things lead into the decision to go down there. There was also the fact that we had given him some disguises while he was chief CIA. I don't even know what he used them for. But they were very simple. It was the kind of disguise that was a wig, and maybe mustache and glasses. So I went armed with pictures of him in disguise reminding him of what we used to do. And by the way, we still do those things. And then I said, I'm here to show you the most recent innovation in disguise, and he said something like, well, let's, let's see it, and I said you're looking at it, but I'm gonna I'm gonna take it off and let you see how it how it works and he said, no, no, no. Don't take it off. He got up from behind that huge desk and walked around walked all the way around me the resolute desk. I think that's what it was called. I didn't know it. Then the resolute desk, he went back and he sat down. And he said, okay. Take it off. And so I'm. Peeled off my face. There's a photographer in the room, the whole time coaching coaching. I think she probably is always there, taking pictures of meetings throughout the day. There was a circle of men that I was sitting with that was Briscoe Croft was Bob gates. Johnson new judge Webster me, I'm leaving out. Someone doesn't matter. When I took my face off, John SU who hadn't been paying any attention because he was furiously writing, whatever it was. He was going to say when it was his turn while he was shocked. He was he was startled. I thought he was going to lose his balance. He was not a small man. So we talked for a few minutes, I explained to the president. You know, this was the most recent product that we'd come up with he, he said behind his desk, and he'd twinkled. I didn't I didn't know that this president president was so personable. I was the first one to leave the room. I went out to the secretary's office, where there was that little dog Millie and her puppies. The Bush dog so I'm playing with. The puppies and the door opens and here comes the photographer. She came over. And she said, what did you do? And I said, I can't tell it's classified you missed it. Ten years later. I got a I got a copy of the photo. Oh, okay. It's hanging in my library today, but they've airbrushed the mask out. I was holding it up. So the president could see it and someone is removed it, so it just looks like I'm lecturing the president about something really important. Sure. I'm sure that was a great moment, you're here because you've written a book, and this book is called the Moscow rules, the secret CIA tactics that helped America win the Cold War. Why did you write this book? I wrote it with my husband this is his fourth book. His last book. We've talked about this for years about putting this book together. The thing that Tony had done. Is he wrote down these rules? They, they'd never he didn't. Invent them. He didn't make them up. These were always the rules. But they were just kind of floating around. We all knew them anybody going on an assignment to Moscow new these rules before they got they're part of the training things like don't look back. You're never alone things like trust. No-one gets more specific trust your gut how to comport yourself on the streets of Moscow because you are going to have surveillance stuck to you like glue and you know, how do you how do you manage day to day with that kind of a team on you? Whether you're walking down the street or driving in your car. Whether you're in your apartment talking to your wife or your at work in the hallways. They're surveillance everywhere. The Moscow rules were giving you some courage that you. You could persevered even with that element of surveillance. Now. We, we should point out who Tony Mendez is for those who aren't familiar. And this is in no way to trivialize the tremendous contribution that he made to this nation and to the world in many respects, but most folks would probably be familiar with him from the movie Argo. That's, that's right. Had it not been for George Tenet. The head of CIA at the time the world would never even heard of Argo. It would have been one of those operational stories that's in the vault never see the light of day. No, summarize, what the Argos story is the Argo story was. A tale of how Tony when into Tehran really in the early days of the Iranian revolution. When our American embassy had been overrun by I don't know how you do air quotes on a Mike. But. My students. They took all of the members of our embassy hostage. They kept him in the at the end of the day they kept him for four hundred forty four days but six got away six got away and nobody knew they were gone. And they ended up with the Canadian ambassador and his deputy John Snowden and they kept them for eighty four days, but it was starting to close in on those six they were receiving phone calls. The word was getting out that there were six and that they might be in this Canadian situation. So Tony was in charge of going to get them of coming up with a story that would allow him to go into a country in the middle of a revolution. And exit through the commercial airport with a team of people. It made no sense whatsoever. But he concocted a tale that made it make sense. He he disguised undocumented them as a Canadian film crew on location looking for bizarre. Make the movie in farfetched. Not as far fetched as the movie made it seem, but it was far fetched and it worked, and he, he got them out. Basically, the story got so remarkable story and I've seen the movie, I've read the story, and I knew about the story before the movie, and it's still remarkable to me. But what's more remarkable as that you are sitting here today with us telling the story because you played a key role in that? I don't know. I, I was I was back at headquarters, I didn't I didn't take a step out of the door. There was a small group of us that knew what was going on. We held our breath, this thing could have come undone at any moment, but it was the best approach, they could come up with it was such an odd cover to use. Hollywood is a cover. I don't think any intelligence officer had done that before as no one was looking for it. It was a cover that these six hostages who were scared to death, and they were not intelligence officers could could wrap their arms around in the couple of days training. He gave them so that they could if they were challenged in the airport, they could, they could meet that challenge. They descript Rier could talk about the script the location transportation manager could talk. About, you know what they were bringing in to make this movie. Everyone had their story. They were good to go with it performed brilliantly. And we still see them today. My husband passed in January, so sorry about that. Thank you. True. Treasure for this nation. Thank you. Well out of six of them, we had to the celebration too. I believe are still in Africa, the other two are in, in Washington state. We heard from everyone, but over the years we, we've seen them, again, and again, and again, and we get these lovely notes thanking him for saving their lives all the time. Does amaze enemies ING story, and I'm so grateful that you're here, sharing it with us and back to this book? Why do you think this book is so important now because I believe it is. And when you look at it when you just thumb through the book and actually sitting down to read it, I'm sure it's one, one of those books that you cannot put down just came out on the twenty first of may is that correct twenty-first? Yes. And what what's, what's the what's the part of this book that you most liked or enjoyed writing about? For me. What I liked being able to do is pull some of these stories forward that involved, our office, the officer technical service, which was always compared to the Q JAMES BOND. We were the gadget people we would if we didn't have it. We'd make it we'd invented. We'd but we give you a tool to let you get your job done part of the book is about some of the incredible people that we worked with, who did amazing things. One of the one of the chapters is called genius is where you find it. We found genius more times than than than you would expect. We had people working with us who went on to do remarkable things, we had a man who, who worked with us in terms of batteries, he spent a life time working batteries. But he ended up being one of the main people who help save the hub. Able telescope when it was on. It's deathbed then it was an issue of batteries among other things. And George meth Lee was was part of that team that kept it going, there was a, there was another man named Paul how who designed a tiny tiny film camera. That was my account for many, many years, a camera. So small, you could put it in writing pin, you could put it in a lipstick, you can put it in anything you could also sit at your desk, and very quietly with one hand photograph secret documents at the end of the Cold War. The general consensus was that tiny camera had collected more significant intelligence than any of our satellite systems, satellite system show, you what's in place. What's their what's going on right now, which was interesting what we really wanted to know was what? What are their plans and intentions? What are they going to do? We wanted the people in the meeting or we wanted minutes of the meeting, or even we'd take the agenda for the meeting just to see how they were thinking. So if you think today, you know what I think all the time is I hope we have the modern equivalent of my tiny camera. I hope we have it in somebody's pocket. I hope that they are inside of the North Korean planning meetings. I hope we have somebody in the pull up euro with one of my tiny cameras, so that we can see what's, what's being developed, what's coming next. So. They are in these places. I know that's a really difficult question for you of former chief of disguise to answer. First of all, I can't know because I'm not there, but I have an interesting historical perspective, and I would believe that in one form or another, we are able to, to. To obtain this information. You know, if you look at the Muller report, if you just look at his team's ability to go inside of the GRU, that's the Soviet military intelligence component go. He he basically Muller called out the names of all of the GRU officers that were working on the hacking. He called out their names. He called out their codenames other codenames. He could basically tell you who was sitting next to who sitting next to who when they can get down today to that granular level of detail in something like the Mola report, I believe that we could probably. Sousse out, little bit more information now this is a fantastic book, but, you know, and it's about a big heavy topic. It's about some very serious work here, and it's about work that it takes a special person, or a group of people to perform, and clearly, you know, you were one of those people being chief of disguise for a number of years at the CIA, but I think an interesting part of this story is how you got to that particular position and it wasn't necessarily through some kind of pedigree, you had to do some. Difficult. You had to do it. Your you had to get there yourself. You know, nobody just opened the door and said, hey, you've, you've been groomed or prepared for this hearing. It is you had to actually go do something that nobody expected you to do. That's absolutely true back in the day when I when I started working for the CIA, if you applied, as woman, it really didn't matter what your degree was in. They would put you in that typing pool. If you couldn't type they probably wouldn't hire you most women that I knew professionally started in the typing pool then the job was well, how do you get out of here? You know what, what's where's the exit? I went out of this place and everybody I knew got out of the typing pool. We all went our, our different ways. I was a really good secretary, which probably kept me in the pool longer than I should have. But I, I was the top secretary for this group of thousand people that's really interesting point. Jonah is that you were a secretary. Oh, yeah. And where did you end up? You ended up running the the gadgets unit. Okay. That is a remarkable accomplishment one. It is. But it's also I have to point out as we go along. It's also indicative of CIA's. Ability to elevate and brick elevate. Talent may, we'll let you they will give you a shot at whatever. And if you can do it, they will let you do it. And you can that's the way that you can move around in CIA as a secretary, I was going to leave. I was there was no work. I was bored, the only way up was if my boss got an assignment and I went with him. That was no good. So I was gonna go work at this Massoni, Ian. They put me instead in a photo. Course they knew I was bored, and they knew, I liked talk Affi. I loved photography. This was flying airplanes with long lenses. And it was it was one of the best days in my life, that first day of those photography courses. So I morphed into photo operations officer using those little tiny cameras traveling around the world training people how to how to collect intelligence with those cameras, and that was going splendidly. I was in a man's world. I was a woman, but I was every bit is good as men. The men were RIT graduates. They all went to film school. Well, they could talk about the to- curve of the emulsion on the film. But if a role of really important film came into our labs, and it was right at lunchtime. They would hand me the film, the guys would go to lunch. So I did I did a good job in that photo area. And I ended up on the other side of the world one summer for three months filling in for someone and it was like there was a color explosion in my head. I went from black and white, the color photography, and my personal staff came back to Washington and ask for an assignment there. I said, I'd like to work out of that particular base. They said there is no photo job there. There's just a disguise job. I said, so make me a disguise officer, and it took two years, and they did that they did that, that was under the. Under the tutelage of a man, named Tony Mendez. Who I had no idea I was going to marry someday. I always tell him I would have been so much nicer had I known that urging oh my gosh. All right. Well, you did marry him and you made history and that history continues as this book comes out as I look at it, there's a chapter in here. That's kind of caught my eye. It's called chapter six. It's like float like a butterfly sting like oh be. It was early evening in Moscow, nineteen seventy seven but it was also early in may. And so the twilight had begun to stretch out late the sun would not set until nine thirty pm. It was a fine evening, pick it up from there for us. Well that story. Wasn't interesting story in the in the book, we're talking about why do people why do people spy this by for money they spy for compromise? They spy for reasons of ego, and the best one or maybe the worst one there's always a little bit of revenge in there. And this was Anna Moscow talking about. The beginning of this chapter talks about a terrible fire that was in Moscow. We had an ambassador who was at a reception. I think at the Romanian embassy he shows up back at his own embassy, because he's been called by the marine guards to say, our embassy is burning down and so am Bassett or tune. His name was he was standing on the sidewalk in full black tail white-tie regalia, watching the Moscow, fire department comes screeching in and put the ladders going up. And then he started noticing that there was a second wave of firefighters coming in, in much better looking firefighter outfits and this caught his eye. And he always sudden became suspicious of the second group firefighters. It turns out later that his suspicions were well-founded. I group was real firefighters. The second group was KGB, but up in the embassy itself was our chief station gusts Hathaway who stood there in his Burberry coat with a handgun guarding CIA station. And one of the marines went up and said, sir, the ambassador said that you, you have to leave now and. Guess Hathaway I probably couldn't repeat exactly what he said to the marine. This is a podcast. It's not radio. He said there is no you know, no way that I am leaving. And you know they're not coming in my station, and he stayed there throughout the fire. You know he didn't die. He got the intelligence star for doing that. He became a famous, he was already famous when it happened, but it was a CIA approach to the to the KGB, like nice, try guys, but that can get in our safety. They didn't get are classified information, folks, why you have to read this book, the Moscow rules, the secret CIA tactics that helped America when the Cold War, and Tonio and John says with med Baguio bestselling authors of Argo, you know, as I have thought about the way when we met and all of the things that led up to your, your career and throughout your career, and then to this book and then us meeting at the spy me. Liam which is where we met at the opening of the news by museum. And just the way you regaled me and others with your story, and the accomplishments that are on display there can't help, but wonder knowing what we know about what you're able to do. And what existed during the Cold War, and looking at what's taking place between the US and Russia? Now. Are we going to win this one this time? This one doesn't really seem to have a name I could make up a very quick sketch of a case. The Cold War, never really ended. Did it just simmered down? And it's been at a low a low to medium simmer for some time. I'm in the middle of ambassador McFaul spoke, Michael McFaul. He was embassador think twenty twelve twenty fourteen and he's describing the harassment that he and his family. This is the embassador drying. Imagine the CIA station they, they would his wife would go out to some event. She'd come back to the embassy, where her husband was ambassador, and they would not let her in the gates, they would make her stand outside, and, you know, fifteen degree weather while they slowly tedious they'd examine her documents. It was nothing but harassment, they were following his kids to school was the book opens with an incident. Twenty sixteen where an American diplomat. Gets out of a taxi, at the entrance to his embassy three in the morning and KGB guy just bursts out of guard shack and beats the living daylights out of him beat him to a pulp even as they slowly slid across the pavement and into the embassy itself into the lobby of the American embassy. This guy still beating him up there on American soil at that time, the American officer was medevac out with a broken clavicle and God knows what else that's twenty sixteen at that time, the presidential campaign wasn't was in full swing. So this stuff is been going on for long longtime. Do you get the sense? That were still able. To pull this one out considering. You know, the advantage that you and the folks like you gave us back during the earlier times, are we in a position to, to win this, this time, whatever, whatever you call it is it because the thing that the reason I asked this question is because. You know, the Russians, you know, this very well probably better than anybody nation of chess players, and everything they do is plotted and planned well in advance and my question is how many moves behind are we? Putin, is there chessmaster, and he is a KGB graduate. You know, he was he was not that successful as KGB officer as a career officer he didn't. He didn't rise up into the ranks suddenly, he kind of peeled off and became mayor of Leningrad, so while he is trained in, in intelligence tactics. I don't know that he was ever that clever using them. I think the thing on on, on the table top right now is technology while we were a technical office technology. If toys R us technologies was really us. That's we invented a lot of the technology, even being used today. Everyone is caught up though. It's kind of it's out in the commercial market. Now. We are all able to do the same kinds of things. I think I think from my point of view, the piece of it, that I'm not sure how it's gonna play out. Is this identity transformation with disguise, we could very realistically very quickly change you in every way your gender, your ethnicity? Everything about you. We could change it. We could we could present you at a at a desk with a passport or whatever that had your picture in it. That's not quite how it's working now they're not so interested in that piece of paper, they're interested in your phone. If you're gonna walk up to that desk with that they can probably query remotely while you're standing there that piece of the identity transformation. I don't know how that works. I, I was in CIA. Just last Friday. And we talked very briefly. This is not part of what I need to know anymore. So I have no need to know. But clearly it's a it's a huge problem. And that's where a lot of the energy is going. That's where some of the solutions lie. I believe that, that every time we see technology that, that is an obstacle to us. We have always been able to turn it around and use it offensively. We have some very, very clever people working there. I have to believe that, that will find a way doubt find a way. Showed amend, is your tremendous. This book is tremendous. Well anything about this book that I haven't asked you about that. You think is important that you'd like to share before we end up. We wanted to tell the stories we wanted to get the rules out on paper we wanted to call out some of our old colleagues. Those things have all been accomplished in the book. I think the larger over arching goal was to open up. This profession is technical end of spying this gadget part of it, so that the public could take a look at what we're looking for. What kind of people we needed how we use them? And what a career there might have looked like we've highlighted some of our stars. We've removed the ones that we're not stars because you don't need to read about them. I would hope that this would generate some applications to the to the CIA of people find the, the story's interesting and the work interesting and who might consider a career working for the government. Int making a difference doing something that matters. And sometimes actually impacting, you know what's going on in the world. What's better than that? You know what I have to say this, and I don't say this in any way to disparage anyone, but, you know, you are a role model for all of us just through your work ethic, and through what you accomplished by just never giving up and continuing to push into work, but have to say a young girl or young woman listening to this has got to find the has got to find some significant inspiration in career as as as difficult. And but as rewarding as the one that you impact on exactly it is. It is rewarding years after you stop doing it. When when Tony. Were working at the time that we retired. We retired about three or four years apart. You know, the average age of our retirees men because they were all men, the average lifespan of our retirees was eighteen months. Because so many of our people treated the work as a calling the considered the agency to be a family. They thought this was their life's work. A lot of our men didn't have any outside activities. They didn't have any friends outside of the agency. They had no hobbies, Tony always said that. Working at the CIA was like drinking from a fire hose. And he said that retiring was like jumping off moving train this tough. So we had to train our people retire then then things changed. But it really is a totally absorbing field if you if you are if you've got the skills, and if you've got the focus, and if you really want to change things or help things get better make a difference. Do something that matters. Come work for the CIA gentleman does. Thank you for spending some time with us. I love to you know that. That's it for this episode coming up in our next program. Cyberspace diplomats are now getting involved in it. Everybody has noticed that Cyberspace's new domain of both civilian and military activities. 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Malcolm Nance - Throwback

"They get the perfect background music for your business in the world's biggest catalog with over fifty million songs soundtrack. Your brand lets you search by song or artist just like you're used to play whatever you want and schedule it for whenever you want. It's fully licensed legal for your business right. Now you can try soundtrack free for thirty days. Just go to. Www dot soundtrack. Your brand dot com and get started. Its background music that works. Donald trump has been under. Kgb surveillance since one thousand nine hundred seventy seven. Cynthia married to yvonne yvonne. Us father was the reporting person to check intelligence. Donald trump. All of this is passed onto the kgb which goes into a dose a or older. That's mark donald. J trump from one thousand nine hundred seventy seven until suddenly. Donald trump meets the foreign minister of russia new york city and wants to go to moscow to proposed building a trump tower moscow in the soviet union. So now that guy that's on his typewriter reports that back to moscow moscow's foreign ministry gets a copy and the other administrators. The kgb gets a copy and they go get to me the donald trump file this guy. We've been collecting against them since. Nineteen seventy seven. Look at this guy narcissistic greedy manipulable. And now you do. Is you assign a small team of two or three intelligence officers to do it. Young baby spies like vladimir. Putin malcolm nancy's a thirty six year veteran of the navy who ascended to the highest levels and fought in combat in multiple countries and learned all about counterterrorism tactic. Spying everything this is some super soldier. Super spy super man. Ish he's brilliant. He's toffees deeply patriotic. He's written a book about the way. Trump has betrayed america and the way. Russia has lured him in called the plot to betray america. We talk about being a soldier being a fighter and what it is that russia has over trump. It's not what you think. It's malcolm nance on tour. Show malcolm what is your favourite gun. That's a loaded question but don't cheer my favourite gun. That's very strange question. But it's funny. It's one of those strange questions. I actually have an answer to your an expert in all sorts of things. I am actually a gun collector and i collect a whole series of what i call clone weapons. These are weapons. I would have carried or did carry. When i was operating in the middle east so i have very you know. They're all special operations configured rifles. And i also have a collection of special operation sniper rifles so my favorite. It's like asking what your favorite child is but there you know there are. There are weapons that have different different capabilities. And the ones you know. There are highly collectible weapons and firearms and then there are those that you you really would practice on and i would say the one that i'm that is probably the most collectible In my inventory is a special operations issue naval special warfare issue so it was kind that were issued to the seal team. Full kit except for the suppressor in except for the silencer and that say It's called the mark levin mud zero and it's a sniper rifle That was standard issue throughout the entire afghan war Semiautomatic looks like an ar fifteen. But it's a much bigger bullet and it's very very rare that they have the actual kit. Kit is the actual case exactly as its issue to a seal team member everything. That's inside it. With the exception of the suppressor because the suppressor is a completely different ball of wax that you have to apply to the government to get and so the optics in there. You know the documentation right down to the toolkit and cleaning rod and everything including all the paperwork so it is a government issue weapon that i happen to get on the open market. They only have a couple of these every once in a while high. Did you get as a soldier. Not very high. I mean you know high relative because there are in most services. There are two branches right. There's officer which is when you go to university and you get a commission in your know battlefield leader and you go from like lieutenant into general and then enlisted. Enlisted is when you start from private or seaman and you work up to sergeant major but within the navy. We actually have three differentiated sections. We have officers. we have enlisted. And then we have chiefs and the navy has this category chief because it required people who were technical experts on ships or systems and who would be the corporate knowledge of ship right officers. Come and go right. They rise up and rank they go off to other commands enlisted people that come and go left and right but chiefs are usually the lifers and those three ranks from e seven eight and nine which is chief senior chief and master chief. They are in the navy. God's word when they make chief they have an entire two-month initiation process or you're educated and then you have a special highly interesting ceremony where they initiate you into the brotherhood of chief. So there's a creed for the chiefs. We wear khaki uniform like the officers but a different hat. Insignia that specifies. A chief you and i was a senior chief petty officer out of the three. So have chief senior chief master chief. My dad was a master chief which is as high as you can go. In the enlisted ranks. My brother was a senior chief of dr atomic. Submarines my dad worked in boiler systems. Back starting back in the fifties so we have a few chiefs in our family but being a chief is a global brotherhood. And i mean. I am obligated. You know someone who is a chief and can prove to me that he's a navy chief and he asked me a question straight up. I am obligated to give him a straight up answer and this is where sort of my claim to fame. Came came in When i was at msnbc I was the terrorism. Analyst is still him and they brought me on as a military member former military member to talk about how donald trump was insulting the gold star families and i was on camera with name Steve cortez who is a conservative talker and he insulted zero khan and And his wife in front of me. And i went to a place that you generally do not see right. I went right back to the very moment that i was still in the navy and a senior chief petty officer and i turned on him and i gave him the full blast of what any poured dumb stupid soldier. Who came across me and did a mistake would get and i just chewed him out on national tv and the funny thing is. There's this little technique we use when we're really angry. We put our left hand on our hip and our right hand comes out into a flat. Palmed like i'm gonna slap you and bends at the elbow and that's called the blade hand and that means you're really angry and you are serving it to him right. I didn't even know i was doing that. I had chiefs around the world right to me and said you did it right. You were blade handing that. I was like what and they were here like. Yes right right on chief. You went full senior chief on that guy and i said well i just was not going to allow a family that had sacrificed their son for us to be insulted in front of me. And so the chief world for anyone who knows chiefs or was in the navy. It's different from like sergeant majors. I mean all chiefs are revered and feared and we have our own little spaces on ships in that commands called the goat locker because in the old days navy. They all had like those little wispy beards at the chin kung fu beards and they would live in a place near where the goats were stored. Right the old goats locker so all spaces for chiefs where you were what. You can't come into you just can't walk into it. You have to have permission officers have to have permission to come into. It is called the goat locker. I even have a goat locker in my house. So are you also a spy. Well i'm naval intelligence. I was as a matter of fact. And i us naval intelligence euphemistically to sort of stay away from where i really was. But now that. I'm i'm out and about everyone knows I was a naval cryptology. A codebreaker that's what cryptology is is the study of breaking codes and the cryptologic field is the field that since oh really formally organized just before world war two where we studied. Let me give it to you. I can't tell you what we do in the modern world. But i'm gonna tell you what we did in world war two so if you watch the battle of midway movie the old one not the new one You will understand that. We intercept japanese communications for example back then that were being broadcast or put out by morse code we would intercept that and those messages could in plain voice and so we would understand it. So we'd have a japanese linguist. Listen to it and then if it was encoded it was sent in morse code or some other machine And then cryptology would actually work that code backwards and break the code. Which of course would come out into japanese and then cryptologic linguist which is like what i was would translate and interpret and determine the intelligence value of that. So that's how it was done. That's how we actually won the battle of midway a team of Communications intercept operators were collecting japanese naval codes and a brilliant team including led by a guy who used to play poker with japan's naval commander yamamoto when he was a liaison officer in japan. Who was fluent japanese name Commander rochefort Actually broke the code of the japanese navy. Prior to midway the j twenty five coat and they could they could read the japanese orders so whether go and they said the japanese fleet which has now disappeared is northwest of midway island. They are going to invade midway with an amphibious fleet. And there are six japanese aircraft carriers out there and they don't know where we are and so we snuck up on them knowing precisely where they were bombed them and sank five out of six of the japanese carrier. Can you talk about. Can you name some of the battles that we might have heard of that. You've been a party. Yeah there's a few you know. I you know in my world and this goes back to the words spy by the way we use it euphemistically because anyone who's an intelligence collector technically buying and i am on the board of the international spy museum in washington. So yes some of the operations. That i was involved in you might have known about I was in beirut in one thousand nine hundred eighty three before the marine barracks bombing killed two hundred and forty three marines. I was there for the as a matter of fact i arrived that the day before the american embassy was bombed and they killed all of the cia staff in that bombing. Nine cia officers. And that day. I mean i was nineteen years old and i became one of the only five people still left in the country. That could speak arabic and me and a couple of marine cryptology were. us intelligence collection capability in lebanon. That day you know and you're just like good morning We don't know what's going on in this country. Everybody got killed now. You need to start collecting and getting us information. So beirut of the first american embassy bombing the second american embassy bombing all the hostages that were taken in lebanon seventy six western hostages collected against tried to isolate fine them. Twa forty seven hijacking. I was deeply deeply involved in that that loss that resulted in the loss of a navy. Sailor robert dean them Then going on the war the mini wars. We had with iran in one eighty eight. I was actually in the naval battle. A missile battle called the battle of siri island Where we literally blew up an oil platform got into a ship to ship missile battle with an iranian missile boat which almost got us the missile missed us by a hundred and fifty feet and then we sank ever living heck out of him and then we shut down an airplane that came out to attack us and all of this happened to spend a few hours but these were public things. You just don't know what's going on in the background. I mean there's constant intelligence collection to predict an identify what the enemies doing You know i was involved deeply in the first gulf war Did all sorts of operations in the first gulf war. I mean i went was on ships. And then i went ashore with explosive. Ordinance disposal teams Enemy missile batteries and sensitive intelligence. I went into iraq and did a bunch of stuff by the way. That's how we talk about stuff that we're not gonna talk about budget stuff. I did some things i did them. There i am curious here as best as you can. Perhaps one of your hairiest war stories that you can tell We were telling more stories earlier today. Harry is a is a relative term. Because we've now been in combat for very long time. And when i retired from the military i just became an intelligence an intelligence subcontractor which means that i did very similar jobs for agencies on contract That were very hairy And i'm going to tell you the funniest one which is going to be in one of my memoirs when they were story because it was the most dangerous thing i did in iraq and I dealt only with iraqis. And so i had an iraqi group that were working for me. They were intelligent subcontractors. We were doing things that we did. Not want americans around right american around bad so i was the only american and they and i'm african american so i i don't blend in as well. I'm just more explainable. Like i might be sudanese. Or i might be somebody else who is just there and trapped there whatever and we operated out of a safe house in west baghdad and we drove around. My my ride was not armored. Humvee my ride was a bmw. Seven thirty five. I and just blacked out windows. And you know there were hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of bmw's that came down from turkey Right after iraq opened up so we could roll around clandestinely. you know. And wasn't armored. It was just a regular bmw. But you know we kept that engine tuned upright and You know we had a driver who was smart enough to know when it was dr at time to drive up and down the sidewalks when it was time to escape and we were just packed with guns. I mean you know we were. We were rolling around with everyone had submachine guns or a squad automatic weapon or something like that so one night. I was safe files. And i have next to me. The radio system for all the facilities where either guarding or watching and in the middle of the night i might. It's all in arabic right. So it was like blah blah blah blah. Right and then. I would always wake up when something out of the ordinary was happening right. And i'm hearing the arabic and the arabic like call the chief. Call the chief because they called me chief right and so i go. I wake up and i instantly and i immediately dressed. I don't. I don't wait because you know you never know it could be a battle or something. Finally get on the radio. And i go. What's going on and they were like. There's a problem out at six and site. Six was a complex of safe houses. We were guarding. That belonged to somebody else that were not in the green zone. Okay they were somewhere else and somewhere else was the rest of iraq right and that's dangerous so i'm like what's going on. And they said there's a problem at sites six. And i said what's going on and they said i don't know but they turn on all the flood lights and i was like floodlights. Are you out of your mind right every terrorist in the country. It's one in the morning is coming for us right. Turn off the floodlights. They said they can't. They're scared right. And i'm like what do you mean scared so i said okay we're gonna q. F we're gonna reaction force over there in are like to bmw's there's eight of us. So i get all the squad that i'm with up and including guys who liked to fight. I had two guys really liked to fight and one of them was an iraqi national bodybuilder bodybuilding champion and it was just amazing and the funny thing is. He liked that little tiny h k. You know This tiny submachine gun. They called the rabbit. You know and five k. For those of you who are experts out there and it's a tiny little submachine gun that you can barely conceal in us in a suitcase or on your arm and he just loved that gun but it was scored out like thirty bullets and a few seconds. So we jump into our vehicles. And i'm like this. Is the most dangerous thing i have ever done was to get into to blackout unmarked. Bmw's in baghdad in the middle of the night in two thousand four which was the beginning of the wave of uncertainty while qaeda could just go wherever they please and they would just walk up to you at ice cream and shoot you in the back of the head. They owned that place right. And then you had. Saddam fedayeen commandos which were saddam's terrorist forces that were eighty percent of the terrorists. We're fighting and so i'm mike. This is dangerous. we're in the car we strapped. And if there's a bradley you know a us army checkpoint with a bradley armored vehicle we are going to get vape is d- they are not going to ask us for our passes or if we work for you know some agency they're gonna hose us down with thirty millimeter chain gun and then they'll go. Oh this guy was. Us too bad. So fortunately we made our way to the site. And there was no checkpoints. I was just praying to god. I mean i turn on an infrared strobe. I put one on the roof of the car. And i thought oh my god some of these al qaeda guys have infrared detectors. So they're going to know we're blue forces so they're going to kill us to off just dangerous finally roll into the site and all. The guards are away from their posts and at the front gate under floodlights. It's like a giant neon sign. That says please kill all of us right now right here and i'm like shoes on right. What's going on here right. And they were like chief chief big and like what big problem and he goes. Stupidest thing does seem. I said what is does gene cheese gene. I said are you telling me that you are seeing genies goes yes. Chief does gene gene there. And i'm like you. I just walked through baghdad in the middle of the night. And you're telling me your site has been illuminated. Because you're seeing ephron genie's goethe genie's like genies the spirit from the koran who grant you three wishes the they believe them. Because they are part of the chronic tradition genie's between spirits and men they interact with men they marry women and have sex with them and have jeannie babies and they were thoroughly convinced that they had seen jeans and they all abandoned their posts. And we're standing under the floodlights to ward off the genie's so i was just like okay that's it i go up and i'm like where you show me often genie's okay and i'm really angry. I mean this is literally the most dangerous thing i've done in my life was leave a safe house at night and you didn't have a helicopter gunships on your side and in fact the helicopter gunships should have shot our asses on our way over there if they had been seeing us with guns. They don't ask questions in iraq they just kill and they take me to the top of the roof and they said they saw them over there they saw over there and so i go up there and i go. I think the guy is just gone. He takes me up he leaves. Wait around so i go. How have night vision right. So i let my eyes adjust and then you know about ten minutes. I'm listening. I'm watching. And i'm like what the how and they said that they had seen That they had seen his red eyes or something like that and he was floating in the air. And i was like so i put my nods on right night vision goggles and i look out there and i'm like there's nothing out. There is nothing out here. And i have. My rifle has an illuminated or on it which will flood you with infrared light. And you can't see it. It's in the infrared spectrum. So i wash over with my infrared. And i don't see anything at all and then after a minute. Or so. A tiny light flickered over there. And if you had your just visual you wouldn't have seen it right. it's just night and phyliss it. He know what someone's got night vision goggles on over there. And i go out there and i said here's what i'm gonna do. I put on my laser and the only way you can see that laser is if you have night vision goggles on and it's a boom pencil beam of high intensity laser light and i put it right on that right and suddenly the light moves because he sees that i see him and he's got night observation devices on because he sees my laser on him and then i go black. I turn everything off. And i go army or marines real quietly. I just go army or marines. You don't whisper because whispers carry too far. And i knew i said some one of our people are out here. On top of our buildings and somehow people saw them and confused night-vision with glowing eyes and so after a few minutes just sitting there. Nothing then he goes army. I'm like god damn it. I said my people think you're effing genie's i said genie's like three wishes genius because they saw you're not and they were wearing a gilly suit a camouflage suit that makes you look like bush's i go. I'm going to leave now and you going to shift your post. We're going to give you fifteen minutes. You can just walk out. Nobody sees you. No one's going to know which direction you went. But you need to move off this and then i hear them start giggling. 'cause they're laughing that my my iraqi guards genie's right and i. It's storming out. The steps pompous murph. Curious like sealy's marching. There's no gene up that they're like all. I watch if there's gina there too. There's jean and i'm like i couldn't convince them i'm like we're all sleeping here. No one's leaving this site until daylight. Okay because you think. I'm going to go back to my house and get vaporized by a c. One thirty gunship or accidentally run into an al qaeda ambush. Not leaving here. I'm sleeping on the ground right in front of this place. Turn off the floodlights. So thousand incredible story and i know you were scared in that story. Can you tell a story. That's not funny where you actually really were scared. Oh yeah what happened all the time. I mean we accidentally ran into an ambush that was not us and that was scary and that was like oh i gotta take a piss right now. Scary it's called fear pissed by the way what we call it. Which is why we have little containers with us in the car all the time so we were in the karate district of baghdad and i was running a two car team and there were only five of us and i was in the lead car in the rear. So and and we so we put two iraqis in the front seat of each car. So that's four. And i was the fifth because i was the principal and i'm armed because there's no such thing as not being armed in baghdad. I'm the fifth gun on this movement. And i can't remember what we were doing. We were going through. Kuroda and crowd is always getting zapped right Suicide bombers and everything. They blew up a mall. There that killed like eight hundred people at one time and there was a a high profile western security contractor convoy in front of us have three vehicles and their armored and there was this one section of colorado. I always thought was sketchy. Because they have arches they have arched sidewalks which means there are path sort of like scaffolding only stone and they have arches in them for two years. I was just like i. Just don't get those right. Why did they need those there. And it was just stylistic but it gives you the right it gives you hard cover and those two vehicles for about ten car lengths ahead of us when traffic was moving like five miles per hour and then we hear you know heavy machine-gun. Pk a machine gun. Go off and start blasting away on the lead vehicle. A convoy coming from above. And then we saw ak got men with ak47's in both sides. Hosing this convoy down. Hosing it down. And they're trying to get through just driving into traffic and smashing cars in front of them. They're getting hit. And you're going to lose your armor integrity at some point. And then i was like i was about to to everybody on the radio standby arabic and tougher right. This is not us right. it's not us. It's not our game because you know you don't know how many guns are out there. And we had a guy can say his name but he was a young soccer player really good soccer player and for that few seconds. I'm evaluating how many guns are going off. And we're all loading we're locking and loading when i'm telling the driver. Hey don't don't don't touch your guns we're gonna we're gonna either back out of here we're going to smash away out or we're going to just pretend we're not here right and what's going on up. There is them you know and The guy or soccer player. You know He is the squad automatic weapon. That's a light. Us machine gun and he wasn't having it he saw somebody evaluated as a danger and he dismounted he just he got out and so the rear car was doors open and dismounting which is our signed for mutual defense right so we i'm like oh we're doing this. This is a good. So i go. Okay dismount. this dismount right. Which is the order and you say it in english. So there's no confusion in the arabic to get get out. Get out of the car right. We're moving either. We're going to ban in the car or we're gonna fight and in this thing it was. We're gonna fight because he went left to this wall after he had dismounted and he had seen two of these guys who were doing the ambush in the arches and these guys are from baghdad. So they know. Those arches and ali just Or the driver of the squad guy. He went over to that wall and with a squad automatic weapon. He just hose two guys down. He broke the ambush right there and then we saw like you know you know. What do we call a catalytic right battle forward. And that means just keep pushing forward move to the next arch and By breaking the by killing those two It broke the ambush. And then the armored vehicles saw pathway out and they pushed a car out of their way and armored suburbans and they smashed into the car in trove it out of the way and all three cars got out of the ambush and so when the pk a machine guy saw two of his two of his four guys go down just lost fifty percent strength. They decided there was something happening down there that they couldn't do deal with and there was time to go. So that broke the assault on the americans who were in those we have. The company was called control. Risk and i almost contract them and we later went to them. We were like hey see the skinny little iraqi soccer player. Yeah he broke your assault yesterday and they will go on your way and that was that you know. They were just jerks but it was just phenomenal. 'cause he was behind me he could see something i couldn't see and he's forcing me to get out of my protection and now black guy with an m for iraqis with h k submachine guns. We looked like something right. We're not just you know guys on the street who were riding in their. Bmw's now we're bringing the target to us and so take a big piss after that you talk about guys who really liked to fight are you there. You a guy who loves to fight no no. That's not my job. My job there was to collect in that. Us forces couldn't collect using people that us forces shouldn't be seen with right. You don't want to come out with if you got an entire organization of iraqis right the minute they see an american you're compromised and that says oh those guys are something they're special and it's not like iraqi army because we weren't riding around in armored vehicles we were you know in bmw's and you don't know you don't know if the guy who's on the street corners al qaeda's reconnaissance man you know when he's he sees the safehouse you turn into and then the next night a suicide bomb truck pulls up in front of you. I mean one of our neighbors was not one of our neighbors we had. We live near a sally. Who was the guy who conned us into the iraq war And we were a couple of blocks away from him in in the In the heart. Thea district of baghdad. And somebody went to go. Get this guy right. That's that's what we call it when they send a suicide bomber and the bomber prematurely detonated because they keep a separate trigger team away from you. So that if you get frightened they're going to blow that vehicle anyway. So the bomber was supposed to wait for a convoy with chalabi in it. The convoy came and it turned left in front of him and the bomb or got scared. So the bomber didn't go off as mark so that he would be next to the challenge convoy but it was very heavily populated neighborhood. So there's two down the block or two guys with the actual detonator and they're watching you so if you chicken out they they blow your vehicle and you your martyr anyway. So he chickened out and turned left and he went into our neighborhood which was a shopping district and the trigger just blew the vehicle and his torso the rear part of his torso landed on our doorstep. 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For more information barack obama's presidential memoir a promised land is available anywhere books are sold soldier has to have. I mean i know that you you train for everything so no you train the mind to be ready to go and to be selfless and to be you know mercenary and ready to kill and like what is the mindset that you that you want people to have well you know. That's really sort of what they're trying to instill in you if you're a marine or your army. I was navy and But you know. I was not a seal by the way i'm on spy. And so you really have to have a mindset in your head anyway and then what you do is you emulate the people that you're around so i worked around a lot of seals a lot of special operations personnel right joint special operations a lot of cia officers Paramilitary people because our job. There was to acquire information assets and resources that other westerners didn't want westerners around you wanted only iraqis to handle so if you wanted to follow an an saddam fedayeen general us americans to do that right you use iraqis use a bunch of iraq. So that they never see the same guys twice. And that you have to have a point of contact for that and so i just think i had a natural mindset for this and that mindset was. I'm not getting hurt. My guys are not getting hurt. Anybody gets in our way getting hurt and you know it's a very positive mindset and i'd seen that in you know i've worked with these guys in a really aggressive mindset. Hey blackout the fear the fear. You're not afraid unless you're naturally afraid person doing your job right. You've got to really sort of choke it down in those. It was only that. I've had more surprise in that ambush and more worry for the convoy in front of me i was like. Oh that's not going to be good. They're gonna if they keep shooting on. These guys are going to be hurting. Then i look back and they're like this guy is dismounting. And i'm like what. Now you get a little tickle you know and then you start going. Oh that's not going to be good but if you don't do something you're now committed and it could be worse. I mean you you that flash of you all dead in the car with your guns on your lap goes through your head. So you're more attuned to just taking action but my job was to be off the radar. It was not to be engaging the enemy was not. I mean i had resources and assets in people that we liaise with if i needed to bring a hellfire missile down. I had the number on the phone. You know but they will send their own reconnaissance out or task a helicopter or satellite. And then they'll like. Yeah thanks man's down by boom. The building blows up and it's just like nobody saw me. I'm not here. Was the difference between being a good soldier and being a great soldier. What let me talk more about the people that i know Because i knew people in the intelligence community. And we're talking again this world we're in is sort of like you know. This isn't cryptologic collection. I did you know special operations cryptology And you might recall. We lost one. This year was a legacy person from my world. chief Shannon kent senior chief as she was promoted to and she was doing human intelligence as a navy cryptology arabic interpreter in syria Alongside of special operations special operations officer and interpreter and a A defense intelligence agency human intelligence officer but the really great ones. Don't get killed. Or if they do it's gods will the is really it. Depends if you're a door. Kicker like jay sock operators that's that's national mission units right rangers delta silty six or any special forces oda or any seal platoon. Your job is to break things and your break them. Good and on the intelligence collection side. Our job is to collect data so that we can send those you know the the right the pipe hitters. We call send them in to go. Do the you know out of the dark knight sort of thing but we operate in environments where we can't be defenseless. The people who i saw were really good. Let's put those two worlds. I knew special operations soldiers. I know some you know guys now. Even our director at the spy. Museum dan cole. Who was a army special operations. Human intelligence guy who took over human intelligence and special ops for the seals and went to afghanistan and he did all sorts of crazy crazy dangerous stuff. Those guys are really relatively soft spoken. They are not the you know route rura. Let's kill everybody. They're very well educated and they understood the environment they were operating and And they emulated some of the great people in global intelligence one of my my role model is a guy by the name of You know sir. Richard burton not the actor. It was a he was an english. He was an english master of languages in the late eighteen hundreds and he spoke twenty eight different languages Started out in. India mastered arabic to a doctorate level fluency and then master dirty street arabic and like ten dialects and he was the first person to actually the first englishman to infiltrate to go to mecca as a muslim and he saw himself as a muslim so he didn't have a problem with it but every muslim there was ready to kill them if they had found out that he was english and he went in and i mean he he inspected the kaaba the were any measured the meteorite. That's held inside there. And he went pretending to be a syrian doctor and so he also practiced medicine on all the hajjis. Who were there. And he's very popular whereas you know. Lawrence of arabia was just a liaison officer attached there who spoke arabic who he also managed to pass himself off as a blonde haired syria. There's a couple of other wartime questions. That i wanna get into. Your book is extraordinary taught to betray america. Third in a trilogy and you lay out with almost lawyer. Like precision the relationship between trump and russia. And when you finish reading this you're like yes. He has been controlled not just by putin by russian oligarchs for many decades and as we spoke on this before the first thing that one does when you want to try to get somebody to portray something it's to see what is your financial point and there is some level at which we can say how we give you this amount of money and they'll say okay. I'll give you up. I'll give you my mother at that amount of money and that is what so we we. There's a there's a popular notion that there's some compromise that there's some video or some secret putin has but your arguments know putin has said you can make this amount of money while we're gonna let you do a moscow trump hotel and you're gonna make a ton of money and because of that trump has been like yes. I do whatever you want. Well it goes deeper than that and actually within the intelligence community. We do that. We by people. I've been on operations where it's it's sort of a joke. A euphemistic joke. But i've actually heard this phrase. I'm going to start putting gold bars on the table and you tell me when you can't carry it out right and then you start you know for what we call. Crown jewels indulgence. Just stuff where. You're buying everything in that government safe and i didn't believe in that actually for a very long time to one day. I saw crown jewels intelligence. And i thought did he use a back how to move the goal because because it was as i was looking at this information which was which saved thousands of people in in and stop a war. I looked at it. And i thought that's a backhoe that guy probably got a ton of gold up and sworn in as a us citizen on the spot and extracted at the end of the operation and probably owns half of west hollywood and then i thought it would be worth it. That's sometimes how we do it. Usually especially you're talking about the russians you talking about people but with characters like donald trump they the russians targeted for very long time under the kgb they targeted conservatives they targeted conservative because they wanted people who were self serving and avaricious and who had no ideological links to them and that would give them greater credibility and so as i spell out in the book. Donald trump has been under kgb surveillance since one thousand nine hundred seventy seven. He's married to ivana right. Says she came from the old czech republic. that's correct there was communists. Check washing ham. Paying attention to him at actually agency is the stv. That was the subordinate check. Intelligence agency that reported directly to the and of course their collective job in warsaw pact intelligence that was russia's version of nato was to turn westerners who would come and visit your country turn them into spies and then send them back to the west to collect intelligence. Four years you're nothing. He's a spy no no no. I'm i'm just spelling out. What the russian intelligence did with the subordinate agencies. Ivanka's father was the reporting person to check intelligence. Donald trump and the way we know this is the guardian and a german paper along with a check. Newspaper did extensive record collection and they have the written records and reports from one thousand nine hundred seventy seven and nineteen eighty eight and they have all have all the reporting and in fact. There's one where they knew where they knew. Donald trump was considering running for president in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight because evonne had discussed it with her father over the phone. The phones had what we call one hundred percent coverage which means that when when that phone rings from new york city tapes are rolling in a couple of offices always they collected every word that was ever said between yvonne and her father or donald and whoever in that country and so they had extensive amount of information about them. When you build that database. Now you get to build a profile of this person not just what you see not just what you hear you get to cross reference known intelligence that comes from a source. That doesn't think you know it which is like listening to your phone calls. And since i come from the signals intelligence world. Nsa big believer in what we call first person collection. If you tell me everything you're not lying to me because you don't know i'm the third person on the caw either. Tell the other person the truth or you're going to tell the other person alive. But either way i'm going to know both ends of that and then i can exploit you and we can turn that over to other agencies like the cia or whatever so if the check intelligence or collecting on him. They have enormous thousands of hours or of data collection and reports. That are coming from the father who is being very loyal. Otherwise he's gonna get in trouble with the kgb. And all of this is passed onto the kgb which goes into a dossier or folder or safe. That's mark donald. J trump from nineteen seventy seven until suddenly donald trump goes meets the foreign minister of russia in new york city and wants to go to moscow to propose building trump tower moscow in the soviet union so now that guy gets on his typewriter reports that back to moscow moscow's foreign ministry gets a copy and the other ministry the kgb gets a copy and they go get to me the donald trump file and they go this guy. We've been collecting against him since. Nineteen seventy seven. Look at this guy. Narcissistic greedy manipulable. And now what you do. Is you assign a small team of two or three intelligence officers. You know human intelligence officer to do it young baby spies. Usually you wanna get them working on it. Young babies spies like vladimir putin. Who is now you know who's in west germany east germany and his job is to manipulate people become spies but sometimes you don't want him to become spies you're going to let them do what they're doing and keep talking so that you can get another perspective on your enemies and so donald trump initially became essentially a source without him knowing or what we call an unwitting asset. He doesn't know that they're doing this. But then fast forward. He's taking all this money. When russia the soviet union collapsed is russia opens up and the solutions liquidate every government asset. Which is everything from. Every cow was owned by the government. Every taxi every trash can every every apartment in the country was owned by the government. And they all made up falls deeds. Sold them for like you know. A penny on a dollar and then became billionaires in every asset in that country was privatized in a matter of a couple of years and whoever owned those pieces of paper where the owners of them and could resell them for billions. That's what vladimir putin did. To the city of saint petersburg russia also known as leningrad and putin did it using his kgb friends and family and the best the way that he really did it was he reigned in the full time professional soviet makia using kgb tactics to the point where he could go to them and say listen. We're not gonna kill all of you us going. You know you going to war with the kgb is no fun we're going to give you a solid twenty percent. Let you do whatever you want. But you're gonna work for us so there's not. It's not that putin has a stick or a secret. it's that he has a massive carrot. That trump wants more. I think it's a combination of things. I think that putin now. What i'm doing is i'm giving you an idea of how putin became rich. And how all of that. Rich money started flowing to the trump organization because all those dirty russians who were stealing assets had literally dump trucks full of us and european cash and it had the longer it somewhere so they did it by laundering by buying real estate. All over the world. I was just in the village. The town of baden baden germany which was a traditional town for the czars in the eighteen. Hundreds the russians over the last twenty years of coming in essentially bought that city. They were every house that used to belong to. A russian nobility has been bought by an oligarch you know and they they like but they have to spend their money somewhere because it's all illicit so he started buying properties all over the united states in new york city and in miami and in mar-a-lago and all these other places and that's where donald trump fell in love with their money. He knew there was money there before when he wanted. That trump tower one one point. Oh project but now. He's seeing no soviet ideology. Just rich capitalists with boatloads of money and hot women who will get naked in a second that moves you up to the miss universe pageant in twenty fourteen where trump was now introduced to hot women who wanna get naked and then he sat down with the twelve richest oligarchs of russia including a personal representative of putin for two hour private meeting and when he walked out his entire the first thing he said was trump tower is going to be built which would yield him three billion dollars in profit and then he who knows what they promised him. But you have to understand from that minute on his entire worldview right up till this morning with whatever he tweeted was moscow worldview. He was the. It's like vladimir. Putin is now spy master and chief of russia who owns russia who controls the entire oligarchy and every dollar in russia crafted a pair of rose colored lenses for donald trump and using those oligarchs. Metaphorically put them on his eyes at miss universe and so now. Donald trump only sees the world through their tint in that ten always benefits moscow. He only speaks favorably of moscow. Who always it's if you have a bookie in urine debt. Do you ever insult your bookie. No but he but he's not well but he's not in debt to them is he. Well well make more money. In fact our reporting shows that deutsche bank all the loans he got from deutsche bank were underwritten by by oligarchs in moscow. That's one of the most revelatory moments in the book for me that it's a moment when he one of the six moments when he declared bankruptcy and no legitimate land or no american li bank will lend him and deutsche bank comes in and helps him out and you're like burbank is propped up by russian. Wasn't that they came in to help him. All loans have to be underwritten. It wasn't like. Hey you're a swing and guy let's just give you four hundred and sixty million dollars. Someone guaranteed that loan right now. You have to start wondering was that loan guaranteed because someone had been monitoring him and saw him as a national asset that they could use to continue laundering money. Or were they setting him up to where they would under the where they would use him at some future date in american politics and years saying at this point he has gone from unwitting asset to a witting asset. And i start the book off with the very day that he became a winning asset july. Twenty seven twenty sixteen. Which was the day. he said russia. If you're listening. I want you to release all thirty. Three thousand of hillary clinton's emails. The he knew in the mullahs report. Validates every word that i've written in the last three years three books. And they where he do. He was operations being carrying out in his interest and that he stood to benefit from those operations by russia and five hours later. Russian intelligence started attempts to intrude on hillary clinton's server which was never ever hacked is an extraordinary book and especially for folks who really want to understand what's really going on between trump and russia should absolutely read this. There's two more points that i would like because you have a just gigantic wealth of information in one thing that used to do. Perhaps you still do is teach people how to survive being a prisoner of there. Just in case anybody who's listening should ever have the misfortune of becoming a pow. What are the what are the points that you would like them to know how to survive that situation. Well first off if they're your listeners. And they're not in the military and they're not what we categorizes high risk of capture. They won't be a pow There's technical terms three categories of detention. And i'll give you examples of each If you're a civilian and isis comes in a raid through your village and you're in west africa and they take you. You are now a terrorist hostage okay. Same thing is if there's a guy the seven eleven he does what we call the panic hostage-taking and like give me chocolates or i will kill everybody in this store you know. That's a panicked hostage by the way we usually just shoot at that point or you know it's hard to negotiate Terrorists on the other hand. There's a certain subset of behaviors. You had better be trained on before you become a hostage in a terrorist situation because opening your mouth in the first hours of that or days of that is very bad. You never to have that discussion with a terrorist because they are hyped up and they have an agenda and they will kill you because they require generally required a show that they exercise power and control. And that's what we call when they just shoot a hostage is just like well. Listen and i. I was actually the chief of training for the us davies terrorists and hostage survival program and we actually would have these scenarios where students would just be stupid and they were just like. Excuse me sir. And i'm like oh you like to talk you like to talk is sir. I think that we need water in here. And it's like the first five minutes of the abduction. And i'm like bring this one to me on your knees right and then you know. I opened the door and this actually happened. Everything we taught actually happened. And i was simulating the execution of poor robert dean steam and we would say do any of you want a warship named after you and they were like oh yeah that'd be cool i go the only way you're getting a warship named after you is you do something stupid and you get your brains blown out. Why we're dean steven didn't do anything stupid. He was identified as a us navy servicemember. He was bought out and he was executed. But we teach the next person that opens your mouth. You're bringing yourself to the attention of the terrorist. Captor you're gonna get shot so that's terrorist hostage so the next thing saying nothing if you ask direct questions sent answer the questions and before threatened them in the eye unless he unless are generally want you to look down but if they ask you a question if you look in the are what's going to happen is what we call reverse stockholm syndrome where they will affiliate with you and see you as a human if you're constantly looking down look down until they tell to look up and if you look down your an object and they package you as an object they tie you up to where it's easier to just kill you constantly want to try to find opportunities after the first day or so to show yourself as a human like sir any less water sir i need and if they slap you take it as a victory because it's it shows your your they will themselves think about your humanity after laying hands on you so there's a whole school you have to go to in order to survive that and iran that school we also ran the prisoner of war school and that was your military pilot or you're a seal or a marine scout sniper helicopter pilot whatever and you have the risk of being shot down behind enemy lines and captured and that it follows the geneva convention and we teach you all that and we teach you. It's going to be bad when you're captured. That's what they're going to beat you with rifle butts and to take that and just roll along with it and then eventually they'll hand you off to a prisoner facility and then they'll bring in the interrogators and and teach you how to survive all that then. The third category is even more dangerous. This is where you're visiting moscow and you're an ex marine and you've been chatting with men on v. Contact young hot russian soldiers and sailors and the next time you visit moscow A married american men by the way and visit moscow. When you're going to go talk to some of your contacts the fsba russian security stops you at the airport. Puts a hood over your head hog ties. You throws you into the back of a police van. You're in a situation called hostile government detention and that is they suspect. You're a spy and the scenario spelled out has just happened this year to a former marine conservative Who was meeting men on v. Contact and was talking about how he admires. Russia and blah blah blah and. They didn't know whether he was. They didn't know whether it was seduction. Or whether it was tim trying to manipulate people so the minute he landed in moscow they threw his. You know through him right into the back of a truck and they are holding him in captivity. The united states gives them something and funny thing is donald trump has never opened his mouth about this guy and he's not an intelligence asset because we don't work the way that this guy worked We don't just jump onto a plane and take vacations in moscow. Right off from dubai. That's ridiculous he wasn't back backstopped in any way he had no system. No support structure wasn't an intelligence collector intelligent subcontractor but in russia's estimation i need something from donald trump. I will place a little pressure on the united states and we will hold this guy until you know. Maria boutin is on an airplane and flown out of the country. Remember her the nra spy why she so she's now a hero over there but if this guy gets suddenly released it will show you that it was a for tat exchange and they take innocent people all the time and say you are spy. You're doing you're spying here for your spy agencies and you're just like came here for rose and no charles in moscow. Only a spy would look for turtles. Look we have pictures of american spies giving judo's and it's just like okay. It's a lie but it's a lie designed to pressure the us government and the iran does it with iranian american citizens. All the time turkey did it with an american priest You know and russia does it. So that type of detention is neither category. Do we do it. Why would we do that. The only people are people who are spies right because one. We don't have the manpower to ways. Just to snatch the average russian off the street and russia to pressure russia may know why bother you. Want to pressure russia. Slow down there. Import gucci's i mean you know you know tells. Bmw slow the production line. They'll be very mad. Tell me about nine. Eleven for you. yeah nine. Eleven wasn't the greatest day of my life I had been teaching counter-terrorism actually. I've been running this class. This classified program where where we teach people to survive al qaeda and we simulated al qaeda while we were there. And i had gotten out of the navy just six six months earlier. I had that warning been visiting. I had been taking someone who is going to start working for us to capitol hill and i was at Third in pennsylvania southeast and so was about eight in the morning we got there and we re ordering coffees and a friend of mine had called me from san diego and she was talking to me. And you know that spidey sense. Why don't have a spidey sense. I you know. I used to work for nasa listening sense. And i can list. It's called listening through where you can just mentally start filtering out things that are being said. I filtered out the woman asking me for money. Filtered out my friend Was on the phone. And i might ear. We call it shifting. My ear shifted to the television and the words. The first words i heard was well. It appears that a plane hit the building. And there's a fire but we don't know how big it was. Thought what i looked to the right and you see the smoke from the first tower and my first thought was really a clear day. It's a really clear day. And i just thought that's strange and the woman's like star sir you you know five ninety five. I paid her in these. Two coffees will come back into. I took the two coffees. I put them on the table. And i turned around and the guy on. Tv says there's reports of multiple hijackings and in my school. We taught hijacking survival. And i thought nine states skyjackings that doesn't happen as guns. And then i thought no you can bring knives and i thought knives. They'll beat the living. F out you. You know so i was standing there and i put the two coffees on the table. And i'm watching the monitor. And i actually walked up to it and sat looked at it carefully. You know my my. My intel mind was kicking into gear. And then that's when the second plane flies in from the right and goes right through the building and in that instance. I dropped my hand. My mobile phone and i speed dialed instantly. This guy who was my deputy at the terrorism survival school and this guy is now san diego three hours behind. So it's like eight thirty so it's five thirty in the morning right. And i knew what was happening. In that instance airliners as cruise missiles or call era aircraft is weapon system terrorist attack. And i was like these cruise missiles it's qaeda they're getting back at us for this hour keeley cruise missile attack. We did in nineteen eighty eight right and they're using civil airliners cruise missiles and they've got to fly them. They've got to be flying them. You know and my speed dial goes onto this friend of mine who was who had taken over for me at the terrorism school. And if there's any one thing i learned was if there's a terrorist attack call someone who is nowhere near the terrorist attack because you will not phones will jam up you will not get an objective view. And he's in san diego little that i know four guys out of san diego where hijacking another aircraft that is now flying over pennsylvania and so i call him his name's brad and i don't know what to say. I mean i'm not too often. I'm nothing founded. But in this instance. And i knew after the uss cole incident. Where i call them at four in the morning He put his phone on speaker phone on speaker. So i knew to wait for it to go to voicemail. And all i could say for the message because he would hear it and all i could do was shout. Cnn get up get up. Get up get up. And he was just like and he picks up twenty goes. Now come and i'm like set up. Cnn cnn cnn cnn. That's all. I can say what shut up. Cnn he goes up. He turns on cnn. And he's like what the fuck is happening. I get up. Get your shit on goto the skiff. That's are classified facility. Get on intel link right which is our intelligence and i said everyone's going to be calling you all right now. It's about nine ish. I get my two coffees. My friend i go. We gotta go back to the office. We gotta go to new york and she's like why are we going to new york i go. This is the greatest act of terrorism in american history. If not history now. We have no idea that what's going to happen next. I'm just thinking billings gonna have fire or they're gonna have to put it out. It's gonna be terrible and as we're driving down independence boulevard. We stop at the intersection. Where the lincoln memorial is to my right. And i'm looking at arlington cemetery. And i'm listening to npr. And as i'm listening. I see an airplane. Come from the west. And it goes to the marine corps headquarters and the sheraton up near what was known as the navy and expect. Then it's since been dismantled. And i said oh look i sit there rerouting the planes to come from the west and not over memorial bridge right and just as i said that i go okay. It's gonna start. I'm thinking yeah. It's going to bank right over crystal city and go into reagan and the plane just kept going down down down and fireball into the building and i went to the pentagon into the pentagon and i i will never forget what i said that instant my mind went into a global map of the united states starting on the east coast and expanding to the west coast and it went new york pentagon and i said we're under attack rounder nationwide attack. I said hold on. And i jammed it on the floor. Went through the light went right to the crash site. Got out of the car and people are starting to stream out of the pentagon and the whole side of the d. Ring the d ring at the helicopter pad is on fire right and this is before the building collapsed. It just had impact and people are starting to come out like it's like a fire drill like there's a fire there and so i start running out. In the first injured people started coming out. And i saw this woman completely covered dos with a baby and the baby was dust was covered in dust and trained as an emt and one of the things that i learned was crying baby. Good silent baby bad right and so a bunch of people around in the baby was wailing and crying baby. Good okay. i'm gonna keep moving. And as i went down towards the crash site. I said you have to look for what we call point of sanity. And so i started looking around and then i saw this tree and at the tree was where a group of people were bringing wounded people out of the deering right next to the crash site so long story very short. I saw the person who is my personal hero. I mean i've seen a lot of stuff in my entire career in even in wars before. And after i think this person is just the most here rogue person i ever saw and it was a a an woman army uniform. She had her skirt was running around in stockings and she was creating triage there. And then i see the secretary of defense rumsfeld. Come over and she points to a stretcher and him in a couple of other guys are putting a person on a stretcher and they're bringing it over to her and i said oh this an army doctor and i said hey. I'm a senior chief in civilian clothes. What can i do for you. What what do you need done she goes. I need to get these people mobilized. We're to start moving. People out of that building were injured out of that building. And i said okay. I see a marine sergeant and a marine corporal walking towards marine headquarters. And i go get over here. And i go. I need you to form up here into. Rose get their ties off. Backpacks off hats off. We're going to go start stretcher. Teams and those two marines went over there and marines do right they start barking orders and they started people started forming up in the hundreds in lines and i was like hat's off coats off backpacks off rings off right and i said teams of five. Move over here grab a stretcher head to the d ring door and so you know i got that done and we started getting the teams to start moving people out of the building and i found out that the person who is running the triage was a was a was an army. Colonel called lieutenant. Colonel patty who rojo and i found her over at the hilo pad staring into the fire and she was looking for victims around the site and i thought no i saw that plane fly in there and there are jet pieces everywhere around us in next to her leg to to as i was looking down to her left. 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BONUS: How The CIA Overthrew Iran's Democracy In 4 Days

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BONUS: How The CIA Overthrew Iran's Democracy In 4 Days

"Hey, there up first listeners it is Saturday, not a weekday. And we've got a bonus episode for you today. This month marks the fortieth anniversary of the Iranian revolution. Which led to the overthrow of Iran's head of state. The Shah a hostage crisis at the American embassy and Iran becoming an Islamic Republic. It is cited as the year, Iran, and the United States became enemies, but that animosity actually has earlier roots in this episode of through line new history podcast from NPR hosts rum, teen Arab Bluey and run up. Delfa ta explore the US's role in the nineteen Fifty-three coup in Iran, August fifteenth nineteen fifty three. Shortly before midnight, and Tehran Iran's capital city. The air was thick with anticipation something big was about to happen. The elected prime minister of Iran. Bahaman Mozelle was sitting at home waiting. He knew something was coming. And he had no idea still be prime minister by morning. So with each tick tick tick of the clock, he knew that the future of Iran without state one truck loan of presidential guard soldiers we're going to most ex house the midnight. Their mission was simple go to Mosul decks house in the middle of the night, knock on the door telomeres, fired most of them protests, undoubtedly say, you can't fire me I'm elected and at that point you would arrest him that failed because most had f found out about the arrest. News of it leaked out. Then there was a bit of panic among the army that was supposed to come out and support the arrest of Los Adam. The phone lines were supposed to be caught. They were not cod. So there were a number of missteps that took place and when the soldiers arrived at most of the house to arrest him other soldiers jumped out of the woods arrested those guys most desks forces had foiled a coup attempt. He would stay prime minister. But little did. He know that night was just the beginning of a much bigger battle to come. It would change the future of Iran and America. Iran. British Haiti brim of Mosser day arrived in Cairo. Most of the testimony three days of bloody rat. Time now and say has released on that show is. Nineteen fifty three coup. You're listening to through line where we go back in time to understand the president. Hey, I'm rob Tina of Louis. I'm Rhonda and welcome to the first episode of through line. I'm not gonna lie. I'm still a little bit shocked that they show. Here, but we're really excited and really glad that you decided to join us for this ride because Ronnie ni- have been talking about this for a while like a lot of you where news junkies, and we were just pretty frustrated with the lack of historical context around a lot of the headlines we were reading and we end up in these Wikipedia wormholes trying to figure out the history behind things. So we wanted to create a show where you the listeners and us could go on this journey every single week and become better informed about the world around us and do it in a way that wasn't boring. Exactly. So in this first episode, we're going to take you to Iran and the story of four days in nineteen fifty three. All right. Ron team you were born in Iran, and you've spent a bunch of time there. So I'm curious how much had you heard about this American coup growing up? A definitely heard stuff about it. Especially for my father who would remind you all the time. Like, the only reason we're here in the US is because what the US did to our democracy in nineteen fifty three. Right. And I would always just kind of like brush it off like whatever that could have happened. This is just like Iran and conspiracy theory stuff, right? But as I grew up, I realized that US actually did interfere Iran's politics in nineteen Fifty-three. Let me honestly, I didn't have much of an idea about this going into the episode. And it's like a a really big shocking thing to not have much ninety about. Because I always thought that nineteen Seventy-nine was the real piddle moment Ray that the Iranian revolution happened that year and the Husted crisis at the American embassy, those were the things that really set the tone for like this very tense relationship between the US any run. Yeah. I mean that makes sense. Like, why would you? You or any other American pick differently right because nineteen Seventy-nine was such an important year. But nineteen Fifty-three is really when it all goes down, doesn't it? Sucked bay here. Dad was right. Yeah. It really does. Okay. I wanna get into it. It's a great story. So we're going to take you back to that pivotal moment. More than sixty five years ago to understand what happened during the coup while the US made that decision and how this event redefined the US, Iran relationship and change the world. Support for this podcast and the following message. Come from discover who believes innovation and good ideas can come from anywhere. Discover is one of the pioneers in giving people cash back on their purchases. And now they're edit again at the end of your first year as a new cardmember, they'll match all the cash back you've earned dollar for dollar with no caps. And no catch because discover believes in taking a good idea and making it even better check it out at discover dot com slash match. Cash back match offer only for new card members. Limitations apply. Call you lady luck. August sixteenth nineteen fifty three. At times, you have a very unladylike. Running. Early morning of August sixteenth nineteen Fifty-three American agents were hiding out in a safe house at a secret location in Tehran listening to this song. Luck be a lady tonight. A lady. They were waiting to hear whether the CU the engineered had worked and the move was electric using blasting booze flowing everyone's celebrating a job well done. Now. Remember, this is nineteen fifty three. So there were no breaking news alerts. No email. No good way to deliver information fast. So as far as these guys knew the coup had gone off without a hitch. And there was one guy who was a specially happy Kermit Roosevelt. So Kermit Roosevelt was chief of the CIA Nerius and Africa division like many of the figures in the early CI. He had been born into privilege gone to Ivy league schools. His grandfather had been Theodore Roosevelt distant relative of FDR as well. He was called in to help facilitate this transition so on July nineteenth nineteen Fifty-three Kermit Roosevelt crossed over into Iran. This is Stephen Kinzer. He wrote a groundbreaking book on this coup called all the Shah's men and son them back near me. Can you hear me? Hello research, fellow at Chatham house in London where she leads the Iran forum project, and they were are guides through this story. Okay. So Kermit Roosevelt entered Iran on July nineteenth with a pretty big mission ahead of him say Juku to get rid of Iran's prime minister Muhammad Muslim, and we'll explain why in a bit. But the first question rose about how to answer your asked myself. This question was how so you're sent into a foreign country and your assignment is overthrow the government. What do you do like, what do you do on the first day nine o'clock? You get to the office. How do you start even though the CIA had devised a plan for Savell? No, one was sure it would actually work. It was suddenly up to Roosevelt to destabilize a whole country. Step one, seize control of the Iranian press. Basically buy them off with bribes turned out that the press was quite corrupt and soon enough Roosevelt had columnists editors and reporters from most of Iran's newspapers on its payroll, then anti theft propaganda began printing everywhere. Plus, it was Jew homosexual a British agent anything that they thought would would outrage people. There was such an appetite for these stories that Iranian journalists just couldn't keep up so Roosevelt had to recruit the aid back in Washington to write some of the articles for Iranian press. In fact, one of them later wrote a memoir, and he talked about how bizarre it was at the CIA, you had the people plotting the Iran coup, and then you had analysts on the other side of word aware the covert action. And he said, I would write an article about how the deck was an atheist and he hated God. And then a couple of days. As later a guy from the other side of the hall in the analysis division would run over to my office holding up an Iranian newspaper and saying, wow, you won't believe how the newspapers in Iran, denouncing most look what this article, and I couldn't tell him. I wrote that article. Step to recruit allies on the ground. Most importantly, the Islamic clergy or mullah's who held a lot of power in Iran. Kermit Roosevelt made strategic payments to a number of important Mola's in exchange for them delivering sermons denouncing most deck from the pulpit as against God. And irreligious step three get Iran's king the Shaw on board and convince the Iranian Shah, Mohammad Raza pot of the that must have that was a threat this part took some persuading though. Yeah. Because in theory, at least the Shah and the prime minister were meant to work together. But there was a lot of tension between them because for decades Iran's parliament in Shaw had a tough time sharing power. It would be a big deal for the shot to help overthrow the prime minister. But Roosevelt's on opening to turn them against each other. That included bribing the shot sister in exchange for help convincing the shot to sign on and their reports that a for cope was. Even part of the deal, but that tactic failed. Eventually Roosevelt took matters into his own hands and began meeting with the Shaw almost every day at midnight in a taxi cab, always in a different location during these late night meetings Roosevelt managed to convince the Shah that Mosa was at threat. And so the Shah agreed to the coup and finally step for go to most of house in the middle of the night arrest him and consolidate power in the hands of the Shah who was more friendly towards the west than most del but remember the coup attempt failed at this point. You're probably wondering why the US went to all this. Trouble sending Roosevelt Tehran having him Stirrup chaos in the country and ultimately trying to carry out a coup. Why were they so hell bent on getting most out of power will the truth is the US was dragged into the situation by Great Britain? All because of one thing. The world oil supply and nationalist feeling ran high against Britain and the western democracy. We sometimes say the countries are blessed with resources, but sometimes resources can be a curse, particularly if you're a country that's week because there are always strong countries that wanna come and take what you have an Iran was cursed with a lot of oil oil was discovered there in one thousand nine hundred eight and almost immediately Great Britain took an interest. And at that time Britain was the world's biggest superpower. So they decided to strike a deal with the Iranian Shaw. And they needed a lot of oil this deal between the British any run. I was completely one sided Great Britain was taking well over eighty percent of the revenues while Iran was receiving about ten to twelve percent of the revenues from its natural resource. Wait a deal. Like that makes no sense though. Why did he Ron agree to that will? Yeah. It makes no sense. Unless you're in desperate need of money on Iran's government in the early. Twentieth. Century was desk. Britt Iran during the early part of the twentieth. Century was still ruled by the old codger. Royal dynasty was a very corrupt dynasty and it supported itself by selling off anything of value in Iran. They sold off the transportation industry the tobacco industry the caviar fisheries. They even sold off the country's treasury and banking industries. It was basically a free for all. And the British were first in line oil was by far their most valuable acquisition. And here's a fun. Fact, the company that controlled all of that oil was originally called the Anglo Persian oil company, which would later become every day. The supplies the few the. Shirley, m. So this was obviously very lucrative for them very lucrative and during World War One and two Iranian oil pump life into the British war effort. So it was absolutely essential to Britain's future. Okay. This all really helps. Explain the next part of the story. Right. Because before he's even prime minister, Mohammad Mosa del got to work lobbying against this unfair oil deal hoping to get a better deal for Iran. He tried to negotiate a new deal with the British that would allow Iran to keep a bigger share of the profits, which I'm sure freaked out the British and when the Goshi nations broke down the British imposed the worldwide embargo on Iranian oil, eventually in nineteen fifty one most convinced the Iranian parliament to nationalize Iran's oil and a month later, he was elected prime minister, which really sent British through the roof. Handle the oil nationalization programme took his case to the United Nations where they remained adamant in the British decided only solution was to get rid of most idea and put in a more favorable government. And most side, they're sensing the British were up to something shut down their embassy in Iran. And here's where I'm assuming the US enters the picture, right? Right. So they called the Americans for health and president Truman said no not going to do it. He actually sent a a mediator to Iran. He had most that come to Washington to try to persuade him. But when nothing worked he essentially told the British there's nothing you can do you're gonna have to swallow us like we had to swallow Mexico nationalizing its oil industry thirties. We didn't like it. You just going to have to live with this. But the following year. Dwight Eisenhower became president and his thinking was a little different. Suddenly, you don't have an American president who forbids military action. But on the contrary you have a new team that's eager to show that it's going to roll back threats to the United States and that played right into the British hands. Plus this was right around the time of the Cold War was heating up and Iran happened to share border with the Soviet Union. So what can he do to show that he's fighting communists while you can't bomb Moscow? He's not going to invade China. You can't go after the real enemy. It's not possible. So you have to go after somebody else. Iran also in this period. And I think it's important to mention there was a communist party known as the two day that was active in parliament was supporting was said dad, even though by all accounts was that. There was not a communist himself. The US was still on high alert all these factors as the British wanna eventually convinced the USC muster deck is threatening the world it can get onboard. With Britain's plan. See we're desperate for victory to stage a coup and overthrow Iran's prime minister what how mad was that. This evening is all they give me the brush you mud. Six AM the morning after the attempt Roosevelt and his men. Tired from nine to partying tuned into the radio. But all they heard was silence. And Roosevelt knew something had gone wrong. Then suddenly. The radio crackles on. Military music started playing. And most Adele announced victory over an attempted coup. Could he noticed that the Shah was nowhere to be found? And immediately suspected that the Shah was behind the coup attempt. Meanwhile, the shot new this might happen and fearing most Adele would come after him half done is private plane and flew to Baghdad and from there. He went on to Rome where he told reporters, I'm probably going to have to look for work now because obviously never going to be able to go back to Iran. So to recap at the end of day to the Shaw had left, Iran. Most adults was still in power with no idea that the US was behind the coup attempt and Roosevelt had failed. But even though his boss is back in Washington told him he could go home after the coup failed. Kermit Roosevelt was not willing to give up that easily. I think it came a little bit from the old CI can-do mentality. The also sends how weak the Iranian political establishment was he thought he still had assets that he hadn't used. Most Adele, wasn't out of the woods. Just yet. Kermit Roosevelt had not given up. And actually it was having a plan b. This message comes from NPR sponsor REI REI believes that a live outdoors is a life. Well lived and they have for eighty years. So check out their podcast wild ideas worth living for inspiring stories of people who took the road, less traveled here from explorers, athletes, authors and experts in the field follow how they're taking wild ideas and making them a reality every day find that on items Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you listen to podcasts. August seventeenth nineteen fifty three. Couple of days after the failed coup it down crowds of supporters packed the streets. Chanting. The words has one and victories have the nation. It seemed like the worst was behind most of he survived a coup attempt and live to tell the tale. But this was the calm before the storm backroom dealings were happening out of sight and the threat to most was still very real. And we'll get to that during this momentary calm, you want to give you some insight into the man who was at the center of this whole thing. The man the US and Britain terrified. Madam ascetics? Get the feeling that this is a kind fatherly person who cares about the people, and he's very respectful of people. He talks to people would respect for the first time. That in Iranian politician advised him as dear fellow citizen. This is Abraham neuropathy. I'm retired physician. Dr nor is he was born in nineteen forty two in a town in Iran. Call Qasr Wien, and he's the most ideal superfan. He even create a website to honor him. Dr nor was he became very interested in politics from young age. I have no idea exactly why because we didn't even have radio and our house when I was a kid when I was in lamentably school. Maybe I was tiny and was bullied a lot. Maybe it. So I wanted some sort of Justice in the world, Dr noisy like a lot of Iranians sees most kind of a national hero sort of Gandhi for Iran. He's really become a mythical figure. But to really understand Moore said there we have to find the man behind the myth. So Muhammad most the deck was in Iran aristocrat again, Stephen Kinzer, his father had been finance minister for decades under the jar regime is mother was a Princess he held various positions at sun, Mbeki minister for an affair as minister finance elected twice to the Iranian parliament. He went off to be educated in Europe. He came home and began campaigning against the agreement by which the British were trying to subjugate Iran and became quite outraged at the injustices, he saw round and must had dad was known to be very dramatic. There are these anecdotes where he used to receive visitors in his bed in his pajamas. For example, most of was pretty eccentric guy prone to outbursts and dramatic speeches where he would cry even pass out and the US and Britain saw him as kind of erotic and unreliable difficult to negotiate with even if he was a fan of democratic ideas, very much believed in the democratic ideals on checks and balances that were necessary to curtail monarchical power at the time. And he came of age during a time where these changes also influenced the political system the biggest political tunechi witnessed happen when most was in his twenty s between nineteen o five and nineteen eleven Iran went through a constitutional revolution. This was a remarkable moment in Middle Eastern history. And in the history of the developing world, Iran developed a constitution nineteen hundred six there are countries in the Middle East that don't even have a constitute. Today. The revolution sought to make your on more democratic with things like parliament constitution and a free press see for centuries country had been ruled by Shah's kinks with power passing from fathers sons, but by the turn of the twentieth century as a turn of the twentieth century, the corrupt irresponsible business dealings that the shots which riding the running economy straight into the ground which made the Shah's really unpopular among the people. I'm this wasn't like normal corruption. We're talking crazy excessive spending he had like one shot had a harem of sixteen hundred people sixteen hundred one six zero zero and he and his many many sons would use the national treasury as their personal piggy Bank taking money out whenever they wanted to travel around Europe. You also demanded that people call him one of the following Hanes show show show. Shaw's audio mash Silom of the universe at Dhahran subdural climate nigga all night guarding the flock Saudi adult that rule you seeming or shadow of God on earth. I could see wanting to become guarding a block. Or would you prefer shadow of got on her? I personally like subdural climate. I don't know. But it just feels like. Right now, you're right anyway point is the shots were out of control and the constitutional revolution. United people across Iran against the Shah in favor of a more Representative government a coalition if you will of intellectuals people from the bizarre, the clergy coalition stood up to the monarchy violence broke out. And one of the most interesting stories that came across from team that I told you about yet was the story of this American guy who actually fought any Ron's constitutional revolution. Really? Yeah. His name was Howard basket rule. Howard Baskerville who was it. Graduate of Princeton University seminary school Baskerville wasn't American missionary and in this period. There was a lot of missionary activity coming from the United States. They went support education in various countries throughout the Middle East who came to own identified with plight and basketball and wanted to go and fight on the side of the constitutional. Exactly. But the US Representative in Iran, begged Baskerville, not to join the fight became to him and yelled at him. No. You can't do that. You know, you shouldn't get involved in civil war of other countries. You come here to help, you know, where he wouldn't listen. And then he threatened him that if you go and involve yourself in the war. I take away your pass food is. Okay. This is my pass it to him. He said, no, I just because I was born in America that doesn't mean I'm better than them. I'm like them. I'm going to fight for them for their cause. And this is a good cause. Unfortunately, he dies just the first hour of a battle. And by the basket will his sculpture was installed in constitutional hall in tabbies and his tomb is like a worship place so Iranian it's fabricated. These missionaries action to America as a government. So what I'm saying? Is that American left very good impression in Iran. Iran has loved it. I had never heard of the sky Howard Baskerville. Neither had I before this. I mean, it's really wild to think that this guy would have laid down his life for Iran's constitutional revolution. Like think about it. How many Americans that time even new way round was let alone go over there and fight? I and it's interesting because at that time, we're in the show were the bad guys. But America was kind of an ally our fight exactly until they got involved. The days after the cooler tapped, however, all that seemed to matter was that was that was a man of the people and that he was still in power, but out of sight, a new plot against most death was brewing. Kermit Roosevelt's plan b. Support for this podcast and the following message. Come from male chimp, it might sound like male champ just does Email marketing, but they actually do a lot more to help your business grow because growth looks different to everyone. Male champ helps guide you to the right marketing decisions for your business from audience management to ad campaigns automation male champ, they do more than male. August nineteen nineteen Fifty-three tension is focused once again on the Middle East where in Iran, I've taken a dramatic. Double twist during three days after the Shaath flat and Roosevelt's coup attempt failed Roosevelt set the state for his second quit and on August nineteenth. It began hundreds and hundreds of rioters filled the streets of Tehran and in a word. It was chaos. Three hundred hundred wounded is a conservative estimate and his plan was this. First of all higher gangs of Iran ins through people who controlled criminal protection rackets and pay them to go out on the street and cause chaos to Roosevelt actually paid criminals and gang members to storm into the city beat up people in the streets break, shop windows, shoot your guns into mosques. And while doing all that. Yeah, we love most the deck. We love communism. And then he hired a second mob to attack the first month which led to bloody violent clashes between the two mobs. And the really trippy thing was that everybody involved. Everybody involved in the battles was being paid to be there. But what they didn't know was they were being paid by the same source, the CIA and all of this was designed to create confusion as the signal that most is that it was a source of the violence in the country that he was losing control, which was becoming more and more true. Most decorated fused to send the police out because he said well there. Demonstrators people should be allowed to say what they want. He truly was too naive to grasp what was happening. And this brings us to the final part of its plan to get rid of most doubt once and for all. Roosevelt ordered both mobs to to most of those house. So a giant crowd surrounded? Most decks house shouting insults and throwing stones in potion show up but several police and military commanders including a couple with tanks. People who Kermit Roosevelt had bribed to participate. Those officers began opening fire on Muster's house while inside most NFU of his closest advisors huddled together tells them I wanna die here in house. But somehow they managed to drag him out of back window. They got him over a fence. He'd fled house was looted. And immediately thereafter Kermit Roosevelt went to get his savior general who he'd been hiding in a safehouse brought the guy who radio station and the guy proclaimed himself has a new leader. So this guy general saw was putting tower as a placeholder until the Shah who remember had fled to Rome could be turned was that that eventually turned himself in and just like that with a couple of chess moves Kermit Roosevelt's plant assured Iran into a new era. Shar who had fled to Rome comes home backed by generals. I hit military strongman who engineered is return to power everything was that was the Shah was not which isn't really surprising, given the corruption of the Shah's the Shaw then ruled over Iran like a dictator for twenty five years and the western powers, including the US didn't really care because give them easy access to Iran's oil during that time, the Shah did everything in his power to get rid of any trace of the most dealt era Mossad the name was banned again. Dr no Rosie. You don't hear anything Masada after the coup? I was that was the time. I was actually in high school. I don't remember anything, you know, much Masada the coup. They were off limits things that the running government wanted people to forget under these conditions must adopt became a sort of legend, a symbol of Iran's loss. Potential the CIA only officially acknowle. It's role in coup in twenty thirteen sixty years later in case you're wondering what happened to muscle. So he turned himself in in the quick shift of power was finally ended and awaits trial and was placed on trial who's convicted of treason and sentenced to a prison term followed by life under house arrest. A couple of his closest advisors are executed. There were hundreds of other executions of people who are suspected to be disloyal in the military and Masa deck remained almost taboo, figure almost for the rest of his life. As for Kermit Roosevelt, Kermit Roosevelt stayed in Tehran to wait for the shot to come back from Rome, and then arranged a farewell meeting with the Shah before leaving Iran. The Shah greeted him with a toast. And he said I oh my throne to God. Mike people in do you? He was right. Right. Although he might not be the right order. So Kermit Roosevelt went home. And of course, he was welcomed jubilantly back in Washington as kind of conquering hero. He went onto more years at the CIA, then later left became an oil consultant, speaking of oil, the holy grail of resources that started this whole thing as you might expect Iranian still ended up with a pretty bad deal. After the coup was set in done may again blow westward. Okay. So given all this fundamentalism resentment built up against the Shah declared martial law in most of Iran in nineteen seventy nine. Iranians reached a breaking point and revolted against the shot. This shelf fled Iran and the clergy assume control the country. That same year a hostage crisis unfolded at the American embassy. CBS new young Iranians described as students acting with the blessing of Atala Khomeini have occupied American embassy in regarding days of unsuccessfully. Trying to get the American hostages out of Ron the government of the United States is now trying to get the deposed Shaw around out of this country. And there is no signs that either problem is likely to be solved. So in nine hundred seventeen nine in nineteen Fifty-three coup was invoked as justification for seizing the American embassy. The argument was at the time that these diplomats these American diplomats inside the embassy whereabout to do what Americans had done in Iran. Overthrowing most I did and restoring show, and they were about to do the same thing. And therefore they justified to the public wide. I needed to shut the embassy down this Roya cocky on. She writes a lot about this time in Iran's history and the subject is. Deeply personal for her as someone who was born and raised in your own during the tumultuous years of Iranian, revolution and its aftermath and Roya challenged everything. We thought we knew about this story because up until now we thought the basic story was that pre nineteen fifty three US in. Iran are pretty chill. Brin is the bad guy. Nineteen fifty three coup happens. The US installs a dictator in Iran, and eventually the people respond with a revolution and hostage crisis and the US in Iran, become mortal enemies, so that is the narrative that was presented at a time. It was wrong for the US to intervene. But at the same time, this isn't the whole story and tells only a very small part of why Iran has been stuck in this place for so long Roya says that narrative, let's one group off the hook way too easily Iran's clergy of peace. That's missing from the way. This narrative has been told is the fact that Kermit Roosevelt. This is very wisely. Obviously to go pay visit to the grand Ayatollah Barani in Tehran. And you know, history changes course, after he does that. So remember when Roosevelt got help from the melas to carry out his plan B after that first attempt failed while ROY of things that moment was the real game changer. She says Iran's clergy has been conspiring behind the scenes for a long time to oppose democracy in Iran. She says they saw a chance to undermine democracy in nineteen fifty three and then in nineteen seventy nine when it seemed like democracy would be the result of the revolution. They saw another opportunity to take power, and they did this all on Boqing was idell Nate. Yes. Yes. It's really truly ironic because by nineteen Seventy-nine most does long dead, but his legacy is not. So while he himself was. Completely axed by the clerical powers at the time. His narrative his Lesi became very useful to the regime in other words, it's a mistake to put all the blame for Iran's problems on the US intervention in nineteen fifty three that the Iranian clergy have played a part too. I hear what Roya saying Iran's mullah's have definitely than a number on the country. And there's plenty of blame to go around between the US Iran, especially since nineteen seventy nine, and there's a long list of of back and forth grievances that have added to and fuelled attention, but you can still make the argument that the original sin of the US Iran relationship was what happened in August nineteen fifty three and that that set the tone for everything to fall. In the United States US Iran relations begin and end with the hostage crisis. That's the moment that is the key turning point on the source of everything from the Iranian perspective. Things are very different Iran. Ian and American perceptions they're like parallel train tracks. Just keep running parallel. They never coincide. That's it burst episode. Tina Bluey I'm read that you've been listening to through lie. I show is produced by me and Ramtane. Our team includes Jamie York, Jordan, Anna, Hopman, Lawrence William. 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Qualms Over Baghdad

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21:01 min | 11 months ago

Qualms Over Baghdad

"It's Thursday January second while most of us were celebrating American troops. Were on an emergency mission. You start here. An American embassy comes under attack has been two days of rage outside this building. I would tit for tat with Iran turned into a terrifying defying forty hour assault. It's a New Year for president trump but some of the same old problems loom. The president. Wants you to testify in the trial. Would you testify in the trial. I would testify testify. I'm taking behind the scenes of his red carpet. Party or who showed up but Rudy Giuliani and happy new year. Unless you like that mango vape flavor it. Pretty much. Every flavor with a big caveat last-minute policy from the FDA that could shape the entire industry from ABC News. This is start here. Brad milkey in the capital city of nearly every country on earth. If there's an American embassy sitting somewhere in town that is where our ambassador works our diplomats sometimes even our spies in that embassy is technically American in soil. You're not allowed in without American permission. Even if you're that country's police same rules apply to other countries embassies in the US in DC so when those rules get broken lookin. It's a big deal. Good evening the. US Embassy in Tehran invaded and occupied Iranian students. Americans inside have been taken prisoner. His new and according to a student spokesman will be held as hostages. You might remember the Iranian Revolution back in the day when protesters stormed our embassy in Tehran. Are People were. We're trying to burn documents if they could escape eventually. Iranians got in and took American hostages but over the last forty eight hours. Another crowd gathered around the. US Embassy. See Things got scary a lot of these crowds. They started protesting outside the embassy and managed to get right up close to the building surrounding owning it. This time it back they heard shouting down down. USA just outside the embassy got so serious that president trump authorized the deployment of nearly a thousand troops to defend the place and while Baghdad is the capital of Iraq. This had everything to do with Iran next door. ABC's foreign correspondent. James Longman joins us. Now he spent a Lotta time near that that embassy and so james how to control. Did this get. I mean absolutely extraordinarily out of control. I mean almost unprecedented absolutely amazing that these these protesters were able to get anywhere close to what is supposed to be one of the most secure embassies in the world if not the most secure the days of rage outside this building ties fund fires lit. US troops having to shoot take asked to disperse these protesters. The crowds are able to climb the smash down the reception area in some pictures console at security personnel. Having to hunker down inside pictures absolutely incredible. They go well beyond the stuff that you normally see. If people burning American flags though we've seen not to and president trump pat to send in something like seven hundred fifty soldiers from the eighty second airborne division which is based in Fort Bragg. Now it's on top of more than one hundred marines that when flown in to bolster the marines are already there so this has gotten wildly out of control. We think things die down for the moment but certainly totally unprecedented. And so James you say how did this start. How did this get so big so quick? Yes so on Friday. We gotTA rewind slightly to Friday of last week when in the north of Iraq. About thirty rockets rockets were fired at a base in cook where Americans work and one contractor was killed there. The Americans identified. This group is KC has bullets in Iranian backed lacked militia group working in Iraq. A department defense took offensive actions in defense of our personnel and interests in Iraq. And so as a result over the weekend They the Americans deployed F. Fifteens to hit their basis in both Iraq and in Syria strikes were successful volt. Twenty five of their fighters were killed and many more injured and so that group then held funerals in Baghdad For these fighters autism off to the funerals. They came to the embassy to attack the country. They held responsible for the deaths of of their fighters. So all this kind of happened as a result of that first attack last Friday. I don't think anybody thought it was going to get a serious this. Because what we've seemed to have witnessed witnessed is effectively the tacit approval of the Iraqi authorities allowing this group to get so close and it goes to the heart of the issue so entrenched inched is Iran in Iraq's politics that basically the Iraqi security services two to one side the way I'm confused James because when when I think about Iraq and Iran traditionally those two sides do not get along we were bombing what we thought were Iranian sponsored terror groups why would Iraqis be protesting protesting with Iran against the US in Baghdad. Well you've got to think of it. Less as Iraq versus Iran and more as Sunni versus Shia Shia when Saddam Hussein a Sunni was removed. It basically empowered. The Shia who found allies in the massive shear power is Iran right next door and basically ever the since his removal the Iranians have entrenched themselves in every Paul toll of Iraqi politics. Most of the Iraqi cabinet has has links to Iran the military leadership for months Iran and Israel. They've been fighting something of a shadow war inside Syria but Israel says this is the first time Iran which has sent thousands of troops to Syria to prop up the regime of Bashar. al-Assad has directly attacked across that border. This is a country Iran which works to weaken the the power structures of its neighbors in order to gain power there. It's not just in Iraq. So that is what this is about. And so when you look at the Iran on strength in the Middle East then you've only got to think that hostilities are only going to get worse as this New Year progresses. So what we're supposed to be these targeted tit. For TAT attacks attacks on Iranian sponsored terror groups now becomes a firestorm literal firestorm in the center of Baghdad on American turf. James Longman thank you thanks. James brought up the stakes there. I want to dive deeper into that with Colonel Steven Gerrard formerly of the Marine Corps and of the State Department now he's ABC News contributor attributed and so colonel gathered. I've seen the movie argo. Are we in a place where embassy in Baghdad is now just going to be the site of Iranian based protest test in Iranian beast attacks obviously the. US quickly quickly gets concerned about another Tehran. Or another Benghazi. Good Morning I'm George Stephanopoulos and we were coming on the here because we have just learned that the US ambassador to Libya has been killed. It happened overnight when angry militants stormed the US consulate in Benghazi Libya. They fired shots at the building on fire. But this is quite different. This is in Iraq. Iraq is Is a country that needs the US to be there. does not WANNA have the US lead Does not want to be seen as has being the puppet of Tehran so if they had allowed the Iranian backed protesters into the US embassy. That would have been Even bigger political problem vested political problem. I think it all comes back to the point here. Brad is this is all about domestic Iraqi politics and it really isn't about the US. Iran attempting to deflect all the anger occur within the Iraqi people towards the US and away from Iran security forces. Police and the army have been firing live rounds at protested protesters' as volleys of tegas protests. All around Iraq now and these have not been about the. US has been about the Iraqi government and when people showed up to protest that they shot. Right I mean we've seen hundreds of people now killed. According to reports because these protests we did not see that kind of reaction from the Iraqi police these last few days I mean why why. Why the devil? Yeah it's actually it's actually It's almost humorous if you look at the way that the Iraqi police stepped aside and allowed the Iraqi protesters to come in towards the compound. This was fully coordinated with the government. The government In Iraq had to do something thing to appease their masters in Tehran appease the protesters two peas those on the political side. They need so. This was all quite carefully staged and they gave limits. This is why you didn't you see any of the Iraqis tried to go into the compound itself This this was this was staged as a Hollywood set. And so the idea of letting civilians blow off steam also not getting too entangled with Iran and meanwhile president trump saying. It'd be bad free Ron to mess with us. We'll see what happens next even gang. Your thank you. Thanks spread next. Start here it's not just Iran. It's giving the president headaches. Hello everybody happy. New Year. Happy New Year. We're GONNA have a great year. I predicted it. Just hurt salt on the. US Embassy was fast-moving required some quick decisions from the Pentagon and from President Trump. But that was not the only headline commanding the president's residents attention over the New Year's holiday. ABC's Cure Phillips was there with the president as he marked the New Year with guests at his mar-a-lago resort actually had kind of red carpet setup. Kiro was right there and Kira. He's also hearing new threats from North Korea right so all of a sudden things on his plate. How is he responding? Well exactly I mean here. He was celebrating grading his big New Year's Eve party right this flashy soiree and mar-a-lago and then he wakes up to a new year an election year with foreign policy issues. It's sort sort of like. Okay here's my New Year. WAKEUP call you mentioned Iran and what happened there in Iraq With the American Embassy will now Kim Jong Hoon is is warning that North Korea could reveal a new strategic weapon. Kim Jong Hoon promising a new strategic weapon threatening shocking action saying his country could end the moratorium on missile and nuclear weapons testing that is basically code for. Hey I'm testing an intercontinental missile. That could theoretically they deliver a nuclear warhead to the US. I have a very good relationship with Kim Jong Un. I know he's sending out certain messages about Christmas presents and I hope this Christmas present is a beautiful vase. That's what I'd Light Cabanas. As opposed to something else now look we have been covering the story of North Korea for a really long time and every year There is usually a threat like this that comes to North Korea. But as we hear this Sir I mean we have watched the sort of diplomatic love affair between the President and Kim Jong UN number one sentence denuclearization that was done in Singapore Singapore. And I think he's a man of his word so we're GONNA find out but I think he's a man of his word and obviously with this new threat in the New Year That could impact that relationship Brad. Well obviously you know the president's got those foreign issues he's also got domestic things on his table including you gotta think impeachment and the impeachment trial coming up and I feel like for the last. Few Months Rudy. Giuliani was kind of he who should not be named by the White House since he started so much of this and and yet they're he was right in front of you at the president's winter residence. act to tell you something there. You never know what you're going to get from from Rudy. Giuliani and I will tell you when he does decide to talk to you. It is always extremely colorful so there he was coming into the red carpet. I called him over and I asked him. Hey what do you think about this impeachment trials. The president wants you to testify in the trial. Would you testify in the trial. I would testify. I would Due demonstrations I'd give lectures that. Give some Asians or I do what I do best. I tried the case and then he walks off it really care. It doesn't matter as far as I'm concerned I'd be very happy with the trial because we did nothing wrong and I tried to ask the president about that when he came onto the red carpet but he would only take a few questions. He did talk about Iran. He did talk about impeachment But didn't have a comment about rudy. Giuliani saying hey. He'd love to testify. I can't really imagine Senate Majority Leader Mitch. McConnell actually wanting Giuliani within a fifty mile radius of the Capitol as goes down but there are still questions about whether there will will be witnesses at all. Republican Senators Susan Collins from Maine said they would like witnesses. They've criticized McConnell for coordinating with the White House as they plan all this cure Phillips Silken of the Florida Sunshine see what clouds around the corner. Thanks so much you got it. mm-hmm a lot of new rules went into effect on January first because they were scheduled that way for a long time. Well this past New Year's Eve we learned a new national policy on vaping is set to take effect early in the New Year and this was not part of some longstanding plan. This new enforcement action from the Food and Drug Administration will suddenly ban pretty much every flavored. VAPE POD on the market setting off yet another scramble for this industry to start twenty twenty. ABC Stephanie Ebbs Covers Federal Agencies. She's been on the vaping vaping beat for months now and some Stephanie. These changes were first reported by the Wall Street Journal. How're the expected to work? Well by the president confirmed on New Year's Eve that the administration situation plans to roll out this new policy. It's very different looking than what they originally started talking about. In September when the president and the Secretary of Health and Human Services wanted this strong ban to stop kids from accessing these these vaping in nicotine products. We'll take take it off the flavors for time certain certain flavors We're GONNA protect our families. We're GONNA protect our children and we're going to protect the industry know what they're talking about now can split hairs a little. They're talking about banning flavored vape pods for those jewel like devices that look like a USB but not e liquids that are seen as is more popular among adults in Houston those older vaping devices. There's little canisters with like the jail that you can get into swapping out. Yeah exactly if you've ever seen a vape show show or adults with the kind of more bulky square looking devices that's an e liquid. They're sold in adult only shop so by the administration will likely argue especially with the tobacco age going up later this year. It's not as important to focus on those as those one time use pods that are really popular among teens but essentially every flavor that goes out the door certain ones that stay. It's pretty much every flavor with a big caveat that they are allowing menthol and tobacco oh flavored pods to stay on the market. We want the tobacco flavored. E cigarettes to remain available for adults who may be using e cigarettes to be off of combustible tobacco Baco they would be banning mint which is one of the most popular flavors of course mint and Menthol are very similar. So there's some concern that the most products could be basically basically relabeled and sold as Menthol and it's important to note that the most popular company with the largest market share jewel has already pulled a lot of their sweet flavors members from the market. So it is a big impact of pulling these these flavored products like fruits mango pineapple. But it's kind of unclear how. How big of an impact or how lasting everything safe? They're going to be going very quickly back onto the market so the flavors will come off. They're going to be checked. The president has said had that this will just be temporary as the FDA reviews applications to allow them to be sold again. And so the last time you and I talked about this Stephanie. Speaking of the president he kind of backed off of of a very similar proposal or wider-ranging proposal. I suppose I presume you kind of have to sign off on this his administration. What changed his mind? Oh absolutely so. When they first announced a full ban of every flavored vaping product there was immediate reaction from the pro vaping community? It is are largely adults that acknowledged that nicotine is a big problem but they also say that fourteen year had it using flavor paddock's you know having this as an alternative to traditional cigarettes is better for adults. FDA hasn't definitively ruled on the health impacts yet because these products haven't been around as long as combustible testable cigarettes and one other thing that Brad is at the president reference. A lot of people dying from vaping people have died from this. They died from vaping. We think we understand. Why more than two thousand four hundred people have been hospitalized with vaping related lung injuries according to the CDC today that's presumably a reference to the vaping related illnesses and lung injuries that the Center for Disease Control has been tracking now? US Health officials are describing their latest findings as a breakthrough suggesting vitamin E acetate may be the culprit the CDC says that those injuries and illnesses are primarily attributed to illicit or illegal thc containing they products not nicotine and tobacco. There is an adultery substance in there. That's very hazardous for the lungs. So the change we're talking about. Today is more about addiction and keeping teens off tobacco than reducing the rest of those injuries from illicit products and in fact outside of mar-a-lago yesterday you had signs reading strawberry. Kiwi saved my life and no government. You can't hit hit my jewel though the president's apparent sympathy for the industry that you heard there it's also angered a lot of health groups across the country. Stephanie APPs thank you thanks bad happened here last thing. We talked about some of the strange rules of international diplomacy earlier. Will they do not they get the cover escape story. Emerging this week from Japan. See a little over one year ago. Japanese police arrested one of the most powerful people. In one of the world's biggest industries industry's Carlos Gone has run some of the world's biggest car companies including it's a B- She Renault Michelin North America. He's a huge corporate titan. This time guns Jones been arrested after suspicions by Nissan that some payments to its Oman dealership. Were for personal use by its former chairman. He's also the chairman of Nissan when the Japanese accused him of misusing company funds. I mean isn't the Vol- The charges that have been rothe against me so for the last year after pleading not guilty. He's been out on bail but stuck in Japan under round the clock. Surveillance can't go anywhere and yet somehow he got out after a pound jumping bail. He said I have not fled the justice. I have escaped injustice and political persecution according to reports. Here's how it worked. Guns wife hired a band played a private show for him so so they bring their equipment to his house when they leave gone sneaks in the one of their equipment cases and is carried out as luggage. Luggage makes it past customs. The luggage makes it onto a charter. Jet From there goes from Turkey to Lebanon where I grew up in citizenship now. He's also a citizen of Brazil and France but the thing about Lebanon. It has no extradition treaty with Japan. Meaning for now. At least he's shielded from the courts. Japan which by the way have a ninety nine percent conviction rate Confirm no one is carbon. Same story now. The story I wanted to tell you was about what they're calling tumbleweed again. This I weigh in Washington that was shut down by hundreds and hundreds of tumbleweeds point cars were stopping and then just being buried read with fifteen foot high mountains of tumbleweeds. But can I get a C. It's kind of visual so check out our twitter page this morning at start here. ABC Porn all these stories at ABC News Dot Dot Com or the A._B._C.. News App. I'm Brad Milkey Wagner Twenty twenty tomorrow

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The End of Days: How Christian Zionism is Transforming US Policy in the Middle East

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29:38 min | 1 year ago

The End of Days: How Christian Zionism is Transforming US Policy in the Middle East

"The bible says that when he and bible prophecy on any Sunday morning channel surf across TV programs and between the new shows. You'll stumble upon televangelists they'll tell you about the wages of sin and the possibilities of redemption shell confess, but increasingly you'll also hear an urgent and prophetic visions. World is going to end. They wrapped chew epic battle set in Israel. That will usher in the second coming of Jesus Christ as God super naturally once again defend the nation of Israel. Now, are you rats? The king is coming. The king is coming. The key is there is a growing movement among American evangelical Christians a movement that N -ticipant, it's a prophetic end time or end of days one that these pastors welcome. But the end times they believe will only come when Israel expands its current board. Others. In other words, these pastors say Israel must include all the land originally granted by God as described in the bible that biblical geography would completely redraw the modern Middle East. The new Jerusalem is going to be fifteen hundred miles square move or Iran. Move over Saudi Arabia move over Egypt, the Keene share. We're going to use this. I love this story security analysts agree this story. This interpretation would also be a recipe for the next World War. But for even Jellicoe pastors like Jon hagey, it's prophecy the fulfilment of Armageddon as told in the book of revelation as Hagi and other see it Jesus Christ will return for global judgement of humanity. Those who accepted him as their savior. And who support the nation of Israel will be saved those who reject him or fail to support the Jewish state will perish. This is a belief known as Christian Zionism. Christians i-in is is not merely the belief of televangelists from the bible belt. It's influence has now reached the White House beginning with the relocation of the American embassy to Jerusalem to many Christians ionised. The Trump administration is putting their interpretation of prophecy into action in the process. The movement is redefining America's foreign policy in the Middle East. Despite all of its political support for Israel. Christians iron is deeply controversial in Israel in this series. We go inside the movement. It's potent political alliances the hundreds of millions of dollars. It's poured into Israel and theology that some consider inherently antisemitic. This is the end of days, how Christians ein ISM is transforming US policy in the Middle East special three-part investigation by the ground truth, podcast, and W G B H news. I'm Charles Senate. I I started reporting on Christian Zionism when I wrote a book on the Christians of the holy land twenty years ago back then the movement was way out on the fringe. And now it's decidedly mainstream. So I flew to Jerusalem to find out how that happened and what it means for the region. When I landed in Jerusalem, I stepped onto the L Al jet bridge. There was a billboard rabbi Yekhiel ex-team was smiling joyously and welcoming the passengers under the banner of his organization, the international fellowship of Christians and Jews twenty years ago. When I first started coming to the Middle East that billboard would never have been there. His fellow orthodox rabbis rejected Eksteen's overt solidarity with these evangelical Christians, whose theology they viewed as anti semitic today. Eksteen's organization is front and center in the past twenty years. He's raised over one point five billion dollars through this fellowship. We'll hear from rabbi x-deion later on. I arrived at my hotel and walk through Easter slim to the old city. I entered through the Damascus Gate and onto a street called Awad with valley in Arabic. The street is paved with stones worn smooth by time. And it was good to be back. Among the familiar sounds and smells of this market street lined with spice shops, bakeries and butchers. It's a Friday and a unique moment on the calendar. When all three Abraham faiths are converging on the overlapping sacred space that is Jerusalem. NCAA? The Friday noon prayer coming from the mosques echoes against the stones with prayer rugs. Tucked under their arms Muslims, head towards the dome of the rock the third holiest site in his Lomb. It's also Chabad for observant Jews preparing for Passover orthodox Jews in traditional dress head for prayers at the western wall. The remains of the ancient temple of Judaism. Unknown. And it is Good Friday on the Christian calendar. Christians clutching prayer books and rosary beads were making their way to the Via Dolorosa or the way of sorrow following in what tradition holds are the footsteps of Jesus as he carried the cross. That path leads to the church of the holy sepulcher. Where many professions of the faith, particularly the Catholic and eastern orthodox rites believe Jesus was crucified and buried in attune before the resurrection. Christians INS are here. Among the throng of believers to on first glance. It's hard to tell someone's faith background. But I struck up a conversation right away with a man named Kevin burner. I consider myself fish. And a Christian is is a Jew. You know, you're adopted into the family of Christ burner had a long white beard, and he was wearing a north face jacket, abandon and sunglasses. There's a movement here, particularly around sort of Christians. I n is into real belief that Christians need to support Israel. It's a movement gaining strength. I'm wondering if you feel part of that, or what your views on that are well when I was here last fall, God quicken, my heart and said that I had to be supportive of Israel. And so I took that as his word and change my mind, and I put it all in him burner hails from Massachusetts. And is a retired. Pastor he believes that we are now in the end of days burner and other Christians ionised believed that Christians must support the nation of Israel and the Jews must accept Jesus Christ as their savior as he sees it. This prophecy, the people of Israel God's chosen people, and we will be blessed because we support Israel. I believe those that have chosen Jesus are going to be favored a lot of people are gonna come to know him. And those who don't the orthodox Jews in the secular Jews. Just like everybody else are. Not going to be here anymore. You mean they'll be killed? They'll be they'll be left on her. They will go to hell. The next day. I cut across town to visit a museum dedicated to Christians ionization. The friends that I did when he was also going to be your guidance since opening in two thousand fifteen the friends of Zion. Resume boasts over forty five million supporters which include donors visitors and followers on social media. I don't believe the Jewish state's and modern Zionism would have been possible without Christians visitors are greeted by hologram of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, the mini Christian supporters of the rebirth of the Jewish state, and then gathering of the Jewish people in the nineteenth century made possible the rise of Jewish Zionism. The museum was crowded that day with Christians and Jews Taurus in Israeli. Although it's gone mainstream. Christian Zionism is not new it traces its roots back to at least the nineteenth century, but the friends of Zion museum takes an even broader view a stepped into the elevator. With the museum calls a time machine. A ride to the top floor transports museum goers back four thousand years. A seven minute film paints the sweeping history of the Israeli people with the production values of a Hollywood trailer. He says the eyes of the Lord run to and fro throughout the whole earth. By the end of the film. Christians ionised have been woven into the epic journey of Israel, and the Jewish people. Bubi ancient prophecies for they're out to see a fulfilled in their own way. Like, the patriarchs old when their time came they to say, he your mind to the promise and the people of the land of Israel, the be called Christian Zionists, although the film celebrates the role of Christian Zionists, some within the movement find that term pejorative among themselves, they prefer to use the term believer. I grew up in a believing home always been a believer. My dad is a Jewish believers Jewish man who was also a believer or a believer in your Shula believers as evangelical new covenant believers grafted into the vine of the Jewish people, and among them is a small strain of Jews who converted they prefer the term messianic Jews because they identify. First and foremost as Jewish yet. Also believe in Jesus or Yeshua in Hebrew. Will we accept you shouldn't say we say Jewish. He was Jewish. How does the site curious New Testaments written by Jews blocks I s and then the rest of the world these men and women are all part of king of kings? It's a Christian Zionist network in Israel part of their mission is to spread the gospel to his Rayleigh Jews to bring them into the fold of believers. Outside the old city of Jerusalem. There's a high rise building with a shopping mall on the first few floors as with so many places in Israel. You have to pass through a metal detector to get in inside the mall among hair salons, and electronics stores are several places of worship and offices for even Djelic church organizations all part of the king of kings community. Like that billboard in the airport. These churches were not out in the open twenty years ago. Christian Zionists were outliers back then but now they are openly and loudly celebrating their faith. It's like an indie rock concert in this. Don, Fintoto takes the stage man Hallelujah. Fin toe is a pastor from Nashville where he led Belmont church for twenty five years. He describes himself as a radical follower of Jesus. Yes. Eighty eight but there's more yet and I'm hungry for more. And I'm not out of here yet. And so anyway, I mean here we are in Jerusalem, and we're not just a bunch of Christians. We're Jewish believers and and gentiles together. Lord. It's an amazing amazing time in our generation, and there's so much this big fulfilled. I mean finta's confident as he speaks he's enjoying himself. And that connects with the young crowd physio delivers a mix of biblical prophecy modern history and observations about today. All to prove his case. The messiah is coming Jews need. To convert and his job is to evangelize is time for Jewish people to come to the Lord today in our day. I do I do this crazy stuff from time to I remember one time I was in a rent car driving down the ride down in the heart of Jerusalem. And I was watching these ultra-orthodox families and prophesied to them with my window rolled up in. I said, you don't know it yet. But many of you're going to come no your shoe as messiah comes. It's time for your eyes to be open. Let's consider this for a second. Here. You have an American evangelical in the middle of an Israeli shopping mall. He's calling for all Jews to accept Jesus as their messiah in a warm, and welcoming message importantly, though, he's not saying anyone is going to hell if they don't convert but for many Israelis, and for many Jews around the world this relatively gentle invitation represents a disturbing theology one that is perhaps even anti semitic this faith, terrain is complicated. That's why I went to see Harvey Cox, the dean emeritus of the Harvard divinity school and a professor of theology in some ways a form of Christian sign is also not known by that title has been part of the American outlook, including foreign policy outlook for a very very long time. I mean going way back before the term was invented for the last twenty years. I've been looking to professor Cox who is also a Baptist minister to help provide the historical and theological context to understand Christian fundamentalism, and specifically the Christians ionised movement as professor Kaku sees it. They've tempered their message the brand of Christian sign ISM that you will hear most a lot about was America's the friend of Israel Israel deserves piece. And I think part of that is that the emergence of this kind of Jewish Christian alliance. The Christian had to really play down some of the were offensive elements of the in time drama, which at the beginning of Christian scientists included the eventual conversion of very large numbers of Jews. Once the land was reestablished Andrea claimed and the Jewish people started back. So it interesting how a theologically motivated movement. Like that can find its way into policy, and then the theological basis can be a little bit muted, or at least not in the forefront. But the policies continue. So I think all of that has contributed to making it more palatable to wider ranges of people, and it certainly has those wider ranges of people. However, do not include their fellow Christians in the region Palestinian Christians are part of a two thousand year living presence of the faith. That's what makes it. So puzzling that they are largely invisible to the Christian Zionists. On my way out of the old city. I pass by the Greek Orthodox patriarchate, the Latin or Roman Catholic patriarchate, and then the Lutheran church of the redeemer and the Syrian Orthodox church. It's difficult to ignore the presence in legacy of the many Christian denominations planted in the holy land. Since the faith began. I headed back to my hotel where I was meeting Mitri, rob a Palestinian and a Lutheran. Pastor rod wears a clerical collar, and has the warm demeanor of a preacher a lot of the Christian tourists in the holy land. Don't realize that he and other Palestinians are indeed Christian most of them. They have no clue and they asked me, you know, when did you convert the casino, assuming that maybe I used to be heathen or Muslim who converted to Christianity by some machinists from the midwest. And I like to tell them, you know, remember Jesus was born in Bethlehem Palestine at Bethlehem Pennsylvania and the bible did not originate in the bible belt. The by Bill is a proactive Palestine. And so it's always started here, and we are descended of those first Christian communities and remained faithful to that old faith that. Received from our forefathers. We didn't convert Islam, you know, we didn't leave the country. We wanted to stay here and to make sure that that message that Jesus Christ brute here which continued to resonate in the land where it's all started Palestine, do you think Americans understand? The influence of the Christian Zionists and Christian evangelical movement in the way, it's working inside Israel here, and how it sort of viewed by Palestinian people the majority. I don't think they realize what kind of crazy Christians these Christians Saad and actual how dangerous they are. They want to bring all the Jews here. So that one third will be killed by the sword. And other by the fire and the third will convert to Christianity. So they are actually cooling for the any Haitian of today's. And so this is this is anti semitism. We will hear more from other Palestinian Christians who say that it's the Christian Zionists extreme interpretation of the bible that renders them ignorant of their fellow Christians. According to Harvey Cox, Christian Zionists, also ignore the context of the bible and mistakenly attributed contemporary events to biblical prophecy. There's a kind of a vacuum in the whole historical process. Attached to that is the fundamental mistake of a lot of mainly pros and Christians, but not entirely to read the prophets in the Old Testament and other places a referring to now what's happening now, and what will happen. I just think that fundamental misreading, and you sometimes get munition like the founding of the state of Israel. Look we've been predicting this for centuries now, it's happening. So there you go that's bible prophecy is fulfilled, and it's a desperately mistaken reading, and it has to do with not seeing the context in which these writers were working to whom they were writing what they were writing about what they were promising. It's just a destoryed. Sizing of the whole story, which weakens it and takes away. It's real power. It's very hard to talk to let's say. Christian scientists and try to persuade them with historical or theological arguments that they're reading of the bible is fundamentally flawed because seeing it as America in twenty nineteen I think as believers we can all agree to a few basic things that the end of the age will look like Chad Holland is the senior pastor to the king of kings community. There are signs that God has put on the roadmap. For instance. The fall of Jerusalem back in the first century was a road marker the return of the exiles has been a road marker the modern Jewish state being established to me as a major road marker as well as Jerusalem coming back under the control of the the Jewish people. That's a road marker. But I also think that the rise of Islam is also an indicator of where we are on the prophetic timeline when the nation's rise against Israel. And she runs out a friends. This might be the thing that propels. Her to look for the messiah both Christian, sinus and Israel's political right see themselves as having common enemy. There's a stridently Islam phobic tone that is woven into their relationship and binds them together in the geopolitics of the region. As Holland sees it nations, specifically Muslim nations rising against Israel is part of an inevitable global war. I think it's one of those things that history is going to push us toward as believers. I think we can vote I think we can put believers into politics when a strong bible believing person is in charge. There's a great blessing and peace that falls over that nation. So for me, I wanna see believers at the highest level possible of influence, according to Holland when believers take power the prophetic timeline moves forward as evidence he points to another son on his roadmap. And then even more research. The move of the embassy the US embassy, at least and other embassies that will follow to the capital city of Jerusalem. Shalom Israel Republicans. I'm governor Mike Pence. It's a great honor for Donald Trump and Ida stand together with you to knock Tober twenty-six 2016 two weeks before the presidential election in the US via satellite. Vice presidential candidate. Mike Pence addressed a rally of Israeli American Republican supporters in Jerusalem. Let the word go forth from Jerusalem, the eternal undivided capital of the Jewish people and the Jewish state the Donald Trump, and I are proud to stand with Israel. Vice president Pence has described himself as a born again evangelical Catholic, but he's claimed as a believer by Christians ionised just words speak to those who are part of the movement fellow believers in France. It is humbling for me to be before you today to join you at the twelfth annual summit of the largest pro Israel organization in the United States of America. Crystal night for Israel. Since taking office Pence in the Trump administration have turned Christian Zionist beliefs into policy, and I promise you that the day will come when President Donald Trump moves the American embassy. Is a question. Is only. That's four would win year. Trump and Pence made good on that promise to officially recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital. The new American embassy opened may fourteenth Twenty-eight teen on the seventieth anniversary of the declaration of the establishment of the state of Israel in nineteen forty eight in the aftermath of World War Two and the holocaust the United Nations voted in favor of granting a homeland the Jewish people. Arab nations. However rejected the UN resolution and the first Erebus rarely war erupted the next day may fifteenth. The war ended with an estimated seven hundred thousand displaced Palestinians, and modern Israel and control of seventy eight percent of historic Palestine for Palestinians. May fifteenth marks the knuckle or the catastrophe in Arabic in nineteen sixty seven war broke out again between Israel and its neighbors. By the end of what is known as the six day war. Israel, emerged victorious once more this time, capturing east Jerusalem and the old city which Israel would unex- in nineteen eighty since then Jerusalem is Ben disputed capital and would ultimately become a centerpiece of the peace negotiations between the Israelis and Palestinians. That's why the US in nearly every other country in the world have kept their embassies in Tel Aviv. The official sovereignty over Jerusalem was to be determined in the final status agreements of the Israeli Palestinian peace process that was the status quo until the. Trump administration changed Washington's position and moved the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. Dear friends what a glorious day. Remember this moment. News reports captured the simultaneous dueling narratives the tightly controlled embassy ceremony set against the desperate chaos and deadly protests in Gaza, another deadly day on the Gaza border in this testing near pinning the United States New embassy in Trump and senior White House adviser, Jared Kushner, applauded as Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu addressed the international delegations, the Jerusalem has been and will always be the capital of the Jewish people. The capital of the Jewish stake. Netanyahu's words were matched by protesters in Gaza. Stein. Another capital. Visit I know Israel, but but he Stein. Outside the embassy Israeli police violently dispersed protests. American evangelical preachers, Robert Jefferson, Jon hagey were invited to bless the new embassy Jerusalem, and all habitants let the we pray this in the name and the spirit of the prince of peace Jesus, man. Any man. Meanwhile, deadly clashes erupted alone are Blair fence that separates Israel from the Palestinian, control Gaza. Strip twenty five holliston, Ian have dies rails military has killed at least forty three people and wounded sixteen hundred fifty two Palestinian killed by Israeli fire. Raced to pick up the wounded neighbor to resolve being carried off the pitch to be on Ivanka Trump dressed in white gracefully. Presented the plaque in front of the new embassy of the forty fifth president of the United States on America. We welcome you officially and for the first time to the embassy of the United States here in Jerusalem, the capital of Israel. Thank you. For palestinians. The relocation of the US embassy to Jerusalem was the point at which the long faltering Israeli Palestinian peace process, effectively collapsed for Christians ionised, the decision to move the embassy in the violence did provoked was a welcoming sign of prophecy set in motion toward what they hoped and believed was the prophetic biblical time known as the end of days. In the next episode of ground truth, we meet our reporter, Mike, Danny who set out on a journey inside the Christians ionised movement it began with a healing practice known as the laying on of hands. A well. The first thing I noticed is people's hands kind of warm, and that felt strange one guy had both his hands on both of my feet is a lot of skin to skin contact with sources. I mean, these are people that I'm trying to get to know in a professional context on our website the ground truth project dot org. We're featuring profiles of some of the people in this series. There's also a gallery of photos by ground troops. Heidi Levin from Jerusalem during holy weekends coat are ground truth. Reporting fellow for this project is Mike nanny. This piece was produced by Mitch Hanley with help from rob Rosenthal. Let us know what you think of this episode and give us a rating tell your friends they can subscribe on apple podcasts NPR one or wherever they listen. If this is your first engagement with the ground truth project. Join our Facebook group there you'll find all of our reporting including ground truth films and report for America. Thanks to Nina pores, fill Rato, Gary Motte, Bob Kemp, John Ryan and Doug sugar to WD VH funding for this episode comes from W G B H news the loose foundation. And the MacArthur foundation. I'm Charles Senate executive producer of the podcast and founder of the ground truth project, which supports a new generation of journalists to do on the ground reporting in undercover corners of the world.

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"Live from NPR news I'm Lakshmi sang with their final debate behind them president. Donald Trump and former vice president Joe Biden are looking to close the deal with voters in the run-up to the election and eleven days. However, more than fifty million people reportedly have already voted early was the rivals and their surrogates returned to battleground states the coronavirus pandemic continues to dominate the campaigns and fueling the urgency for action. One prominent research team is now projecting that more than half a million people could die from the coronavirus in the United States by the end of February, NPR's Rob Stein has details. The grim new estimate comes from researchers at the University of Washington. The same group that has been frequently cited by the White House coronavirus task force but the researchers estimate the death toll could be much lower if the right steps are taken to protect people, for example, for than one hundred, twenty, nine, thousand lives could be saved. If everyone wears a mask in public according to the new analysis, other researchers, questions, some of the assumptions that researchers make such as how well Mass Work and how well people use them but most public health experts agree mask could significantly reduce the death toll Rothstein NPR news the American Embassy in Ankara says it is suspending all visa and American citizen services at all its. Diplomatic missions in Turkey NPR's Peter Kenyon reports. The embassy is citing credible reports of potential terrorist attacks. As the reason, the embassy announcement said the threats involve possible terror attacks and kidnappings of us, citizens in Istanbul and possibly other locations in Turkey. There was no immediate word on how long the closures might last. US. Citizens were urged to exercise heightened caution in areas where crowds might gather. This is the first time. A potential terror threat is closed US diplomatic missions in. Turkey. A similar announcement was made in two, thousand, fifteen in two, thousand, eight, three Turkish police guards were killed in an armed attack, the Istanbul Consulate, and there was a bombing at the US embassy compound an opera in nineteen, fifty eight. Peter Kenyon NPR news is tangible in Geneva. Libya's warring factions have signed a permanent cease-fire, the United Nations offices we have details from Nicholson, acting U, N envoy, Stephanie Williams says, the cease-fire is effective immediately meaning that foreign fighters are required to Libya within three months and forces are required to withdraw from the front lines political talks a set to take place in Tunisia in November to find A. Lasting solution to the conflict that came out of the country's twenty eleven uprising, which saw the removal of Gadhafi previous attempts to end the war failed but signatories have agreed to establish a joint police unit that will help monitor the withdrawal, the foreign militia, as well as a joint military force that will report to the UN's military commission for NPR news. I'm s Nicholson in Berlin this is NPR. One of trump's most powerful allies in Congress senator. Lindsey? Graham has raised a million dollars a day in the first two weeks of October his campaign saying it has raked in a total of nearly fifteen million so far this month during that period grand was chairing the committee that this week Advanced Judge Amy Conybeare Barrett Supreme Court nomination to the full Senate. For confirmation the Democrats had boycotted arguing the Republicans rushed to confirm president trump's nominee before the election Iro's the legitimacy of the process while people are deciding on the future of the presidency. A well known choreographer for Hollywood films and television shows has died in Los Angeles at the age of one hundred one Jeff London reports march champion was also a model for Walt Disney's snow. White. Marge champion was born to dance. Her father was dancing teacher for Hollywood stars among them, Shirley Temple Betty grable and gower champion. Her first husband was a Disney animator who used her as the model for snow. White and characters in fantasia she danced in Hollywood films Broadway musicals any one, thousand, nine, hundred, forty, seven teamed up with gower champion both personally, and professionally, they were in several musicals and television shows together including showboat and lovely to look at Dan don't ask me after the pair split up, she continued to dance to choreograph for films and appeared in a revival of follies on Broadway at the age of eighty-two for NPR news. I'm Jeff London in New York. I'm Lakshmi. Saying. NPR News.

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Not Without My Baby - 16

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Not Without My Baby - 16

"The i've never committed a crime in my entire life. I never thought that a small. I could spin out of control. It was just beyond a nightmare is a kate a cages for animals. Human traffic. aac are you kidding. I couldn't believe that. I was looking at fifteen years in prison from one. This is locked up abroad. I'm your host. Jim clementi not without my baby. The story of susan hagler divorce susan is professional golfer. Living in florida out of the blue her first husband net hot who she is not heard from nine years sends her a letter is now living in his native country of egypt and wants to come for a visit. She feels very excited to reconnect and agrees to travel to meet him. They immediately fall in love all over again and soon get remarried. The one thing. Susan is always felt she missed. Her life is motherhood. She convinces mid hot that they should adopt a baby. They become a bit when the agency refuses to give them any official paperwork confirming their the adoptive parents but the joy of parenting overtakes any apprehensions. They might have had a year later. When susan wants to take their baby marco with her to the us visit her sick mother. She admit hot are accused of supplying suspicious documents regarding marco's birth and ultimately end up in prison convicted of human trafficking. It was nineteen ninety eight. I was living in florida single again after two failed marriages so i had made a decision to just swear off men and marriage and relationships. One day i went to the mailbox and there was a letter from my first husband madhav. I hadn't heard from him or knew his whereabouts or anything for nine years and he signed the letter missing. You love met. I met met hot in nineteen eighty one when i was twenty years old. He told me that he was egypt. Shen we just fell in love immediately but we were young and i wanted to pursue a career as a professional golfer and he pursued business. The world just tore us apart. So i was divorced from him now. It's seventeen years later or back in touch. He's an egypt. And i'm in the united states. Then we started instant messaging and meeting online couple of times a day. And i feel like i'm falling in love with him again so one day we were instant messaging as we usually do. And he messages. Will you marry me. i'm thinking do. I really know hot. Is this the right thing to do. And i remembered that moment at the altar. And so i email back. Yes of course and so. I'm coming around the corner and the reality of the situation comes in. What am i doing only been in touch on email only spoken a few times on the phone and now i'm going to marry him but immediately when our eyes met the fifteen years that we hadn't seen each other it's just like was melted away and i was nervous but never for a second. Did i doubt that. I could trust madha. It was like a fairy tale. It was just almost like it was too good to be true. So matt had and i had been married now for a while. It was great. It was wonderful. But i hadn't this desire to be a mother but i've been through menopause and so you know i can't have children one day met had and i were on the bus together and a muslim lady came on the bus with her baby and i just said tomato i want to adopt a baby and he goes our whole life will change. Then he said okay. We'll do it. Never entered my mind that there would be any kind of complication or anything. That would go wrong. Method deny being christian. We decided to go to the cathedral in cairo and ask about adoption takes us into like a huge room and i see at the end of the room. The coptic bishop they wear this black looks like a dome kind of hat. I met the threshold of my dream of many many years old. I was sitting before him expecting him to ask me difficult heavy questions. You american is this in the interview. What you think of egypt. When is the interview gonna start. But then i hear the official speaking to manhattan. And i can tell by mets reaction. You know that it's it's go. Then he said one last thing to met hot. Why why do we have to be discreet. Is there something wrong with with with what doing. But i just suppressed all of that. Because i was finally going to have my baby. I can't believe how naive i was at the time. I never would have guessed that only a few months later. I wouldn't have been able to trust anybody. It was sunday. March ninth two thousand eight. It was four o'clock in the afternoon and the phone rang gets on the phone and then he's got a big grin on his face and he goes. It's a boy we need to go and pick them up at seven o'clock like we're parents so we got to the addressed really beautiful apartment building and so she brought us in to see the nun who was going to give us the baby. That was just ants. I'm kind of looking around the room. You know what you can look at it you know. I hope he's cute couple minutes later. This girl comes in with this beautiful beautiful baby boy and i remember just looking at him and go. Oh you know. I mean i just i just took him in my arms and he was just gorgeous and it was love at first sight. I feel his little tiny hand holding onto. My finger was just floating. I was just enamored by this little baby my baby. My life flashed before me all in a split second of all the things i had in my life. They were all wonderful things but in that moment there was nothing that compared to me holding that little baby in my arms. I heard medhat saying to the nine. Where's the papers. And she said we don't. We don't do the papers. So i was looking at matt how i could tell. He was thinking the same thing i was thinking. What is this. What kind of adoption is this. If this none is with the church why can't she give us a document saying that. We have officially adopted this baby but there was no way that i was gonna leave my baby behind so we left the home without any papers but we left with our little baby. I should've known then that something was not right the first night i didn't sleep. I just watched you know. I was just just watching him. Breathe and just stayed awake the whole night. We get the pampers and the milk and all that stuff but he still. We know we need papers before we could even sit down and discuss it. Like what should we do. A family member gave us the phone number of another none. We could call. That could help. Get the papers. Her name was theresa. Knowing what i know now i wish we had just thrown that number away but we did it and we headed to this non teresa's orphanage when we got to the house. The first thing that caught my attention was the chain with big padlock fits an orphan house. Why it changed with a padlock. She opened the door and she was dressed like a nun. I can't put my finger on. But i just it just. Wasn't that comfortable with her. And so she said i know i know a doctor who will write a note saying that he delivered the baby and we can take this letter to the health office and they will issue you a birth certificate. It says that your mother and your father. When i heard that i felt sick physically sick plus i need fifty dollars. Is this in illegal adoption. I would have never imagined that an order for me to keep my baby. I would have to lie on a birth certificate. I never even imagined that i was capable of doing that. But i just i had bonded with my baby and i was sure that that would be the last lie that i would ever have to tell we agreed. Okay we'll do it. We get support from hellofresh. America's number one milk it you can get fresh premeasured ingredients and mouth-watering seasonal recipes delivered right to your door with hellofresh that means you cutting out stressful meal planning and trips to the grocery store so you can enjoy cooking. Get dinner on the table in about thirty minutes. And here's a bonus by skipping the grocery store and using hellofresh you're reducing your food waste by at least twenty five percent. They offer more than twenty chef crafted delicious options every week to help you break out of your recipe. Rut try new things and make any night feel special. My favorite so far is the roasted garlic and sakina flat breads and it was super easy to follow the instructions. The even have color pictures and with hello fresh you can easily change your delivery days or meal planned preferences and skip a week whenever you need right on the app go to hellofresh dot com slash locked up ninety and use code. Locked up ninety. That's locked up zero to get ninety dollars off including free shipping one. More time that's hellofresh dot com slash locked up ninety code locked up ninety. We waited two or three days and then met her. Went and picked up. The birth certificate. Met her name was on his father. And i was on as the mother. And we named him marco. Even though it wasn't the truth. I felt reassured knowing that this was in fact a legal government document that gave me rights to be. You know that. I'm his mother. At that point. I was just like. I am never going to lie on any document or anything ever again but i was wrong. I loved being a mother. I loved it. I had waited. Forty six years for this moment. And i wanted to just take it all in. I saw matt hut in a new light. He was just a great father. Life couldn't get any better one day after we got home from the beach. I checked my house. And i got an email from my sister. My mother head can't sir i have to. I have to go now. We had had marco for six months. Why don't i take marco with me so. My mother can meet her grandson. But marco needs visa so he can travel with me to the united states. So manhattan marco. I went to the american embassy for me to get marcos visa number four please. I came to the window and he said. Can i see your paperwork. Please thank so. I was picturing getting to new york and there. I was with marco and picturing that my mother would be so happy to meet him. He came back. Are you american. And i said yes. I'm sorry we're not going to be able to issue a visa for your son. Your son has to travel on an american passport. We just need you to fill out this application. So he hands me the application. And i saw a place that i have to sign that i am his birth mother. It literally scared me to death. I have to lie in front of the embassy official. I had already said. I am never going to lie on any document ever again right then. Had i just walked out maybe everything would have been different but instead i just lost it. I don't. I've sat down and i was crying. I guess it might have seemed like desperation. People were noticing. There was like a paranoia that started to rise up in me. What must they be thinking of me. Why is she so out of control. Susan hagler off so he called me back to the window. What am i gonna do. I had to be with my mother. I had to be with her. Also being a new mother to marco. I couldn't be separated from him. I decided to do it. I just hope that he accepts the document and no more questions will be asked. The next morning we wake up and the phone rings and had answers the phone slow. And it's the american embassy. We need one more thing. We need a note from your doctor verifying that he delivered the baby. What is going on. They don't believe us. I'm realizing now that i'm in something. I had to lie again. So getting in deeper and deeper deeper. I knew that we had to call theresa but there was something about that woman that just made my my skin crawl so met hud and marco and i go back to teresa's theresa's said. I'm going to help you mad. Had and i will go and get the letter. And you stay here with marco. We come back in one hour that next morning and i brought the letter to the embassy as nervous scared as i was there was still that shred of hope. We are going to go there and they're going to give us the passport. We've dropped it off at the desk. And i felt all the sudden there was a a mood. Changed tiffany pictures when you were pregnant pictures. I can do the documents. But there's no physical way that i can provide pictures of me. When i was pregnant i was suffocating. I was enclosed. And i was in a trap and i got angry. You know what. Just i wanna cancel the applications. Give me my my papers back okay. And he says. Meet me upstairs. And i was looking at met hud and i'm thinking what is going on here and he said okay. Look we know that child's not yours if you try to leave the country with that baby you're going to be charged with kidnapping. What's when i heard the word kidnapping you know. I looked over at met hot. And i just felt like a lump in my throat hit napping. What's he saying. I may have lied on the application. But i'm certainly not a kidnapper. Give me my papers on charged with kidnapping being attacked. Doctrines me out of here. And finally he said okay and i just witnessing through the glass. This hive of people at one desk. Maybe they weren't going to cancel the application. Maybe they weren't going to give us our documents faxed. Those people were doing something with regard to us. I couldn't figure out what it was traveling. There was one lady. I felt like she was looking at me with pity. Like you don't know what's going on. He gives us a paper and he says we need to go to a lawyer and matt. How did i get outside of that embassy almost hyperventilating wondering what is this paper. Say okay. they're basically saying that if we don't have pictures we have to. We have to submit dna. Evidence i cannot provide pictures. I cannot provide. Dna evidence not his real mother but after reading this document relief. Come over as that after ninety days if we don't actually submit dna evidence. We will get our documents back and our case will be considered abandoned. I'm thinking thank god. I travelled alone to be with my mother and marco stays with medhat. The surgery was a success and they removed all of the cancer. She's recuperating she's doing good she's we were also happy about that by got back to cairo. We just felt like now. We can move forward with our life. So we were looking forward to having our first christmas with marco. So i had just finished putting up the christmas lights to all the sudden we hear bam bam bam really loud and it was like. Who's that your brother met. Who goes to the door trickle. Mad comes back in and he looks over at me and he goes. It's the police. You mean were arrested. I was shaking. Okay i got marco and wrapped up in his little blanket and i felt very intimidated and vulnerable. Go stay loaded. Us into a metal car was very dark and smoky. I'm getting more and more concerned. Did the embassy tell them. I'm a kidnapper or something. They start walking us into this police station and it was as if the walls it was. We were going through a maze. Turn took they told me you know down. I hear i hear the raised voices constant yelling. And maybe i even heard slamming on the table. Said where's met hot. And they just. They just looked at me like i thought to myself. Are they going to torture him. It just terrified me then. They brought me into this room. It was dark. They were all on their cellphones. I like it here. Was susan heck lawf- susan head and i was just like is petrified. I was sitting right in front of this desk in front of this man and they start telling me that is not your baby. This is my baby. And i looked over and i saw our documents from the this is not a court. There's going to be a corridor. Something isn't there and the guy goes is the courts. And then marco started crying and so i stood up with him and a man says should down and i go but he's crying and he goes sit out and he goes. I know that's not too much son. And i go and he goes because you can't give it suck and then the guy at the desk said to one of the guys. Today's like go take the baby so a man came over. And he was gonna take. Try to take marco my own. You and i said you can't take my baby. You can take my babies and so the man at the desk. I saw that he looked at the guy who was like commend. Don't take the baby. And he goes if these are false documents. You're going to be in trouble. You're looking at seven to v teen years in prison. If those documents are not real my mind couldn't even comprehend what he was saying. Seven to fifteen years in prison hotel. They took me back out of the room at this point. I don't know where met hut is right at the bottom of the stairs there was a big black metal door. I don't know what's on the other side of that door. I didn't know if it was just like a solitary confinement bam and clang. And that's i'm going into the cell. I realized they're probably gonna take him from me. I had to start accepting that in my mind. It just was thanking god that i had the opportunity to to be a mother few minutes later. You can hear you know. The padlock opened from the outside. When of the police officers looks over to me and he goes give the baby to him. I had kind of started to make myself. Detach you know what i mean so that i wouldn't totally just fall apart. I just gave him to the man. I'll never forget that moment in time. And i can still hear marco crying as they took him the cry all the way up the stairs until i couldn't hear it anymore and i was thinking i can't live like this. I just wanted to curl up and die so days past one and police officer just took water just just threw water on us and it was just degrading. It just really made me feel just really really worthless. So the next day early in the morning they open the cell door and there. Let's go you go to court then. They escorted us into the courtroom together and put us into a cage. I was looking around and thinking a cage cages for animals. I felt very confused. Of course i had recognized the theresa the none but i had no idea who these other people were and why they were putting us together as some kind of a group the lawyers start talking to the judges and after the meeting with the judges are lawyer came and he was not looking positive news. They have made a gang out of hugh and they are accusing you of human trafficking. And i looked at met hut and i go human trafficking. Are you kidding me human trafficking. That's horribly serious crime. The trial lasted nine months. It's the day of our sentencing. Businesses are more muscle. Lara via malcolm who had an so mad had were holding hands. And we're just. We're hoping that we're going to hear the word barat. Which means released a suzanne inaugural mid hats besse decision. Senate say they charged manhattan. I for false documents and they sent us to two years in prison two years. I couldn't believe that we got sentenced at that moment. The the room was just quiet. I mean it was noisy but to me it was like it was just quiet i never in my wildest nightmare would have ever imagined that i would end up in prison. You'll never believe dorm. I was sent to the dorm with the murderers. Go in where go where there was no place in there. I was just in shock. I can't do it. I'll never survive. I see like six foot two woman. She's just like a football player to just terrified me. There's not enough beds for people. She me her bed and then she sleeps on the floor next to the bed. It scared me to fall asleep so that night. I just didn't let myself fall asleep. It's amazing how i adjust to this new reality. I would get up in the morning and do my bible reading and my praying. I prayed you know. God just just helped me. Just help me. And he was helping me to just get through it. But there wasn't one day that went by that. I didn't think about marco and wonder about his well-being. I had many many dreams about marco and they were always dreams that i was going to be getting him back and one particular dream. I dream that. I went to the house where he was staying and he actually came towards me and ran into my arms and i picked him up and i was holding him. We spent two years and four days in prison. The day of our release finally arrives. And i know that i'm going to be reunited with met. I'm looking around going. Is that matt was hard to adjust back to normal life. That first night that we were released. I woke up in the middle of the night wondering would we be able to get markle back so we call the lawyer. He told us where he was. He told us that he found out that they had changed his identity and that they had changed his religion. I felt like you do now. I know we don't have a chance at fostering him but there was still something inside of me that i just i had to see. We were just going to go to the orphanage anonymously but we got to the house and it was late. It was eight o'clock at night. We're here and we want to see the kids and give them a little goodie bag with toys and everything she says it's too late. Oh i'm sorry. The kids have already gone upstairs for bed. Is it is possible. That i could go up and see them on my own and so they thought well they said okay. Why don't you just come up. My heart starts pounding. I've heard that he's here. But i i don't know for sure we go upstairs. I room when i came in. I saw cribs. There was about four cribs. Marco is not one of these babies was just picking them up by talking to them and then all of a sudden. I see this little guide. Come into the room and he's coming into the room with like this. I know that voice. And i just picked him out and i just held him and i kissed and i said oh. You're good boy. You know but he was healthy. He looked good. He was strong. I could see that he was. He was okay. But i can't explain just what it was like to just scoop him up in my arms and just kissing and just hold onto him that one less time here. This is for you in. He ran out the room. Hit goes mama. And i said. Oh are you momma. And the nice young girl said yes and and she was very nice is they. Were showing me that. He was learning english. So this mama. This girl he called mama was pointing. You know snow's usa no and say ears and he was just. It was just a precious precious moment. There's a cliche for me. This came to life. It is better to have loved and have lost than to never have loved at all. Even though i committed a crime. I have to say that it was worth to have those nine months to be a mommy. Thank you for listening to locked up abroad from wondering the network behind dr death dirty john and business wars to listen to more great shows like locked up abroad. Visiting wondering dot com locked up abroad was produced by raw tv. Limited for national geographic channel's copyright two thousand twelve all rights reserved distributed under license from fox networks group content distribution uk limited. Our audio adaptation is edited by daniel simi. our producer is donna. Himes are executive producers. Are marshall louis and hernan. Lopez were wondering.

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Iran: Contours of Conflict

The Classicist

18:00 min | 11 months ago

Iran: Contours of Conflict

"Hello in welcome to the classes. podcast from the Hoover Institution I host choice cynic classes Victor Davis Hanson Martin. In Ely Anderson a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution and Victor. This is the first show that you and I have been able to do since the events between the US and Iran and rather than just picking up from where we are today I'd like to start by having you break down the component parts of what got us here at let me start with the event that immediately preceded the strike that killed so the money this was the attack and if you call it botched but it was mostly warded off off that was attempted on the American embassy in Baghdad with the Iranians largely driving. So what do you take as the Iranian calculation there. They've been provocative for a while now with us with the Saudis. What's your read on why they were willing to go in on an attack on American interests like this knowing the the kind of response it might engender well two two observations an answer one? I'm not sure they. They knew exactly what trump was going to do. Because remember they had shot down a multi-million dollar drone and we didn't do anything and trumpet had displayed magnaminity and they took that as weakness and Rather than gratitude to be reciprocated and then the second pre a precursor to this is they are MINUS TWELVE GDP and it's not a static situation so in their view. They have to do something and they have a range of options they can and they can do a big something in tax here in the US with terrorist. I suppose or in Europe or they can do this tit for tat in Middle East Against Middle East bases but are they can Hasten their enrichment program or they can go back to the table and they decided added that all of those are are not possible. So they're they've chosen the safest and that is to kind of get us into a tit for tat Afghan on war of no fly zone in the to the nineties type of harassing eating cycle. And so when they did this I don't think they thought trump was is really serious and they have reason to believe that he wouldn't be because Obama had the red lines and then he had been forgiving about the drone attack and then when he did that I think they were shocked. Because Sulamainiya thought he was sacrosanct. And now they. They're looking at all of the alternatives and trump to be. Frank has all the cards because he can do nothing and each day their economy worsens and now Europeans are talking about joining with the sanctions. And so I expect they're going to have to do use something and from what we know that regime it won't be It won't be honest. It'll be disingenuous. It'll be Subversive they will try to do something to break the stranglehold on their economy. Let's talk about the actual strike. That killed Sulejmani. I confessed fest that you were the first person that I thought of when I heard the news because just a few weeks prior you and I had a conversation on this podcast. One predicted that Iran John was going to lash out at the anti-bid and to that president trump would react with disproportionate force. This the classic Jacksonian formulation formulation. I'll leave you alone but the second you start trying to play in my yard I'm GonNa Bring the hammer down and victor there was. I think it's fair to say some breathlessness about this decision especially in the way it was covered by the press. People saying the president's going to get us into world war three he's going to destabilize the region you heard the news that so many had been and killed and your first reaction was what why wrote an article. I think almost immediately saying that we had all the cards to place I said and that Tom Wants that. We had done that. The world now would look at Iran's see what they were going to do because of their Braggadocio and the Hezbollah and death to America and I said trump obviously has a list of targets that he can attack and take out without loss to ourselves and he can sit back and just go down the list and each one more billion dollar caller targets and they will do some iconic we spots but not any any that involve material damage. Diseases go down. His is target list and they know that and they're frustrated. They lost face among their supporters Moderate Iranians are happy over the assassination targeted. Killing feeling. Arabs are happy Israelis are happy. Europeans are happy. The only people who seem to be upset or the the left in the United States and the left in Europe perhaps because since since the Obama administration as you remember the Green Revolution Two thousand nine whenever there's a popular era uprising against the regime. They worry because they have this very distorted view of a revolutionary regime. That they can do business us with. They can have a landmark agreement with and it never quite works with them end so Obama did not want to support mass uprising because he thought the regime would survive and then they would not cut in Iran. Deal with him in the left I guess is still delusional thinks if that regime survives and they can go back and do around deal two point zero so the reprisal from the Iranians after this Sulejmani killing is them firing from Romanian territory missiles at American installations in Iraq. There are no casualties and in fact a lot of observers interpreted this is more of a face-saving exercise than anything you say and the president comes out the next day and says the Iranians are standing down the ideas. We've kind of recent equilibrium here. How steady do you take that equilibrium to be this Iran really taking a substantive step it backwards this Iran biding its time? I think they're gonNA. They'RE GONNA buy their time three weeks four weeks to two or three months till the smoke clears and then they're going to say. Was this a one off thing. And they're going to do something like that Some something like they have done in the past. They'll kill an American or art thou tackle base. We don't really know whether these these huge rockets that hit the base. Were deliberately aimed. Are they had that capability Not to he hit Americans but they came pretty close and they did a lot of damage and trump could have responded but it it gave him a weird opportunity to show magnaminity and he can say well. No Americans were killed. I'm giving them one more chance. Now the ball is in their court and after that tragedy of the Ukrainian airliner and their lies about it and the disruption that followed They're going to have to make a decision but we should keep in mind again. It's not static. The the domestic situation is volatile and they're going They're getting poor and going broke quicker every day and they're going to have to do something and we're GonNa have to be ready for that something. Same Hab applies to North Korea to end and not an existential sense but to China's well because all three of those regimes see the status quo is not sustainable from their point review. What's the missiles started getting changed Aron announced that it was withdrawing from the nuclear deal now of course the trump administration hit exited awhile ago but Iran was still officially participant along with some of the allies who joined onto that agreement when it was originated during the Obama Administration. Question which I put you without being Flynn does it matter. Does it make a real world difference that Iran has officially disclaimed this agreement. Especially when the argument you've made before the disagreement was never going to accomplish much of our long-term goals anyway it only does because the Europeans now will have a pretext to you start joining the United States boycotting and having sanctions and they they were afraid they were GonNa do it anyway. I think trump sort of hinted that he wanted a secondary boycott that he would boycott countries that were doing business. And that scared a lot of people so I think they felt they had to preempt the European decision to save they face but they had violated we know from the Israeli raid and the documents that came back. They violated Enrichment levels they had advocated You re processor levels. They violated places where centrifuges were supposedly not being activated and they were and so oh. They always looked at this as ten years to bank money when the sanctions were called off and to Bank Accumulated expertise and then they were gonNA unleash it and say okay. We have a bomb. What are you going to do about it? And we couldn't do anything about it. So and then Smith was prominent in a series of articles of the time and then recently. Isn't that the whole Iran deal was designed for two reasons one to make sure they didn't get a bomb on Obama's eight-year watch and to in some misplaced incoherent crazy idea that you were going to balance or era moderate friends in the Gulf and Israel bill by empowering the Shia Persian crescent in Lebanon Yemen Syria and of course in Iran and then that would Created tension in which the United States could withdraw. And think that was the idea and I think their sympathies of the last administration were where the ran rather than with Israel and Saudi Arabia Kuwait in those countries and that was a disastrous decision and it gave around a lot of money gave them a lot of false else notions about US deterrence and it caused a lot of damage. And you can tell that it did because we now have a shadow government and British style. That's on the airwaves. In television. Almost non-stop John Kerry been roads social media. Susan Rice all desperate to show us that they didn't appease Iran and of course they did in the next six weeks can be very bad for them in the new cycle. It's GonNa show what they did. I think the final question that'll put you. How should we think about the health of the Iranian regime? I mean as you mentioned there are pre widespread protests now some of the reporting indicating that it's spreading spreading to areas where you didn't see it before and I guess you could say it was catalyzed by the shootdown of of the airplane but as you mentioned we've seen this before we start with the green revolution and ten years ago. We recently when they started cutting the gasoline subsidies. So how precarious do you take their hold on power to be and if we were to imagine agenda scenario where that regime was to topple how would you think about the future prospects for the country. Well I mean totalitarian regimes and that's it's what it is it's a theocracy in something analogous to the secular totalitarian regime in Venezuela they because they say they're doing the people they have lots more there are a lot more ready to use the power at their disposal to kill people. The Shaw was was. Discredited KLEPTOMANIAC Klepto Maniac Dynasty Family Dynasty was out. These guys have been in for forty years. And they know that the people hate them and their corrupt and but they're deeply embedded throughout society and so the question is how many people are they going to kill on and and they've killed fifteen hundred of them in the last couple of months so I imagine that people in the street knows that if they're going to go out there and try to remove this regime they're perfectly willing and capable of killing tens of thousands of Iranians and it's just a question of how bad the economy gets and when people get so desperate they say I can't go on like this and we'll see but there's one thing else that the Mola's and the permanent religious bureaucracy is widely despised yeah and if that government is overthrown on like the Shaw. There's going to be very few people that want to take this regime. I can't think of anybody North Korea Castro I don't know Castro who the cast. I don't know who would take them and so they they. They're they're thinking that if we lose power we'RE GONNA be dead SORTA like more and more Qaddafi regime so I think it will be an existential an long long drawn out war and I think it's a fifty fifty fifty chance that they'll make it through the year you've been listening to the classes. This podcast with figure Hanson member. You can read all victories work. You're victory hits DOT com. Follow him on twitter at Vdi Hanson. And if you join show please write it on itunes or wherever you get new. PODCAST for Pitcher Davis Hanson Awesome. Thanks for this. PODCAST has been a production of the Hoover Institution for more information about our work. Please visit Hoover Dot

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Australia Started It

The World at Large

31:22 min | Last week

Australia Started It

"Terse broken after airstrikes carried out in the capital of iraq. The president of turkey calls for a two state solution. Cyprus poland and hungary veto a stimulus bill in the european union and china tells australia to work to fix the deteriorating relationship between their two countries. This is the world at large and we are politics one thousand and one. Thank you for tuning into episode of the world at large where we cover news from all corners of the globe. If you enjoy please remember to share lever review and of course cliff that subscribe button so without further ado. Please enjoy this. Episode of our podcast. Hello everybody and welcome to another episode of the world at large now before a hand. The reins over to josh over here to talk about. Well you know. The world weaving any law support Recently one of you in fact left a lovely lovely review named mama laps and thank you to mama labs. I'm glad you enjoyed the show. It does mean a lot to us. I when we're sadder lonely or crying. We often look at these reviews in. Lift us up but there are many of you out there who have asked us. How can i support the show. And you're fans of the show us what you want to help out now. I wanted to let everybody know that we do this for free. We put our money into it. We've bought equipments for podcasts. And we make profit from that but recently the software reuse has implemented away for listeners. Like yourself to money now. If you love the show if you love listening about the world at large donating would really help us out. And make sure that we keep going for the future now with healthier. Do i've josh over here to tell us about the world at large. Hello everybody is v. Josh sell as he had said. I want to reiterate this. It would mean so much to us if you can donate but already cover them the majority of what we'd have say so. Let's just jump into the air strikes in iraq as we know as we'd go From fast alice's of the middle east. We've looked at it so many times. We will continue to to look at it There tends to be a lot of different interest groups militant groups that exist in this part of a world with their main priority being well as per the definition of geopolitics says we've already described. They want power some They are no exception with these airstrikes. That just happened in iraq so in the iraqi capital baghdad. There have in fact been not only just the average you see in iraq. This was a this was more upscale and violent airstrike so this was carried out in the green zone of baghdad which is a part of the city which contains most of the major embassy stationed in the country including the american embassy in also happens to be the seat of the iraqi government. So it's the green zone right. This is where all the diplomats they meet up. They shake hands. Maybe the elbow bub nowadays they they like to have their coffee really. Just be the decree relationships. She nominee iraqi government and other countries. That are also there this. So when you're diplomat you know you tend to be a lot more immune to this type of stuff But so so the fact that missiles are actually reaching inside of the green zone. It's kind of big deal because it's no longer the outskirts of baghdad's slick the city center. This is the elitist part of baghdad. We don't want to be seeing missile strikes there right. No aegina and so this marks the end of informal ceasefire slash troops that was offered by the iran backed militias in this country. So let's describe this truce a little bit Because it's quite important to understand that when looking at these airstrikes weather such a big deal. So this truce originally was created in so so if we look back in january in early twenty twenty because believe it or not. There's a lot of stuff that happened this year and that includes no. I don't believe it. Yeah and if you guys either one even want to think about president. Trump was impeached this year. Which is quite interesting to think about But also other What also happened. This year was the iraqi. Government passed a bill in the parliament or a demand to the united states. Saying you need to pull out all your trips. You're they're no longer welcome here. I don't know if you guys remember that if you ever heard of that but if you haven't while i'm telling you now iraqi politics past that and they said. Us troops you need to go. This was back in january until the united states. Pretty much said you know that is a look. That doesn't amazing suggestion. I'm really glad you brought it forth. I'm glad you're expressing your grievances with us being here. But here's the thing i know and so it's the united states is saying well. We can't do that at this moment. There's still a lot of threats. Isis still possibly a thing. So we're just gonna hang around a little bit iraq. If you don't mind interrupted mind that they sent okay. We'll i'll i can do denounce the parliament but i can actually check you out. Don't have the strength right now. do that So the us they stayed put but this created. There was a little bit of a truce that was made right and this was an october because I don't know if you remember this part. But the iraqi government or the. There's there's it's split into two different factions in iraq right. There's the government which tends to be a lot more wants to be pro iran and pro united states. But at some point you have to pick a side and they've started to lead towards the united states. Because what i what. I'm talking about january. What happened in october. Two different things because The united states will there had a different prime minister garage which is a prime minister. Right i would like to say like every four months at this point because it's pretty constant cycle So the prime minister currently is tending to lot more in favor of the united states Instead of iran. And they want to be close to ride but again you have to pick and choose when it comes to two arch enemies so that that you're seeing that and so the iraqi government has decided that they're going to side with america. There's the other fashion in. This country is the one. That's a lot more pro. Iran and these are the militant groups that operate in the rural parts of the country and they tend to carry out airstrikes on specifically american diplomats and on the american embassy in to threaten them Because because they want they want the us troops out there like look the iraqi government even say get out. You don't even respect our wishes. What do we have to do to get rid of you. I guess we have to fire missiles at you. Easy solution to come to. I always come to the conclusion all the time. It's just seems so. If you wanted to get rid someone everyone the missiles just by a missile or two. I've sharon began to legal trouble. Some want our listeners to we do not trying missiles people guys. You didn't already guessed that. But anyways the air strikes these airstrikes cared about these iran backed militias and this was kind of breaking a because the militia said all right. You know what fine. I don't wanna shoot missiles at you. If you're going to promise to leave in the president trump says yes. I will leave. I will pull out the troops. I promise In so they said all right fine will will stop the airstrikes for now So the us. They made this little announcement where they said all right. Listen everyone this was today. They said listen up everyone. I don't like our troops in iraq. So this is what we're gonna do. We three thousand troops inside the entire country. We're gonna pull out five hundred them okay. Sound good So i feel like that sounds pretty good however the ronnback militias did not think it sounds good. I think that sounds terrible because they want all the. Us gone just five hundred of them. They said they want all the pull out at once. They don't want this little little stagnation because you could stop stagnated some point. I just want to guarantee that they're all gone. How did i get that guarantee what winter actually gone so they said you know what the truth does not hold up anymore. We're going to carry out. These airstrikes started assaulting the embassy so these airstrikes specifically resulted in five deaths including child who was in the green zone at the time as well as the injury for injuries for to iraqi security soldiers. in a strike a again this was in the green zone but this was really close to the. Us embassy was about two thousand feet or six hundred meters from the embassy itself of so the odd part about the attack came less than an hour. After united states announced that it would be again withdrawing his troops from iraq in so it seems like again. It seems like it's kind of following the demands of this coalition in roller rock but at the same time It's seems like they want an immediate exit and that's why they're angry is so the response from the american government directly is not yet known but considering the fact that washington is threatened on multiple occasions to close its embassy to baghdad if the strikes continue in threaten us only a month ago it probably will not be the happiest of responses. I cannot imagine the american government a government would be very happy about airstrikes narrow embassy. I know why. But i'm just getting that feeling. They wouldn't like you have a hunch that they wouldn't like issues too. Small little hunch. Look i don't like airstrikes near my house. I'd assume the government doesn't like them there. There's however i mean we all have our preferences often sending airstrikes at josh's house. That is what he is referring to. Yeah it's stopping secret In so Why why why are there. American troops in iraq in the first place. Well this is a good question so In two thousand three the united states actually did invade iraq these same troops that have been left there ever since in the. Us is slowly pulling them out but they still do have a presence there. They went back lot in like With ice started to rise up again the united states are descendant even more troops means of putting them down in they overthrew the president saddam hussein. I'm sure you've heard of him In two thousand and three. But if you want more details about the iraq war we actually talked about it in episode seven called licensing registration. So if you're interested definitely check it out. We talked about it a lot. Who spend ten minutes talking about every little detail of the iraq war but in the meantime For this event specifically it's not clear what's going to happen right in the united states. Mike pompeo secretary of state has threatened to actually just sleep redraw the embassy which the united states is invested millions of dollars into it the. Us embassy in baghdad is absolutely massive. It's the biggest. Us embassy. I believe it has like the store supplies on water reserves Its own like security system. It's it's like a. It's like a fortress right. It's supposed to be salsa can self sustain itself for months on end eighth siege down like they have enough of their for their entire staff for many months. Getting airstrikes shot at you. I guess i would. Want subsidies sustainable. Yeah so they have definitely preparing for those airstrikes but again check on episode seven year itch. Timmy rapport. But we're gonna move on quite interesting story indeed. So let's move on to cyprus. In cyprus similar to iraq as in a state of a tension shall we say for a pretty long time now in the started in the nineteen in the late twentieth century when turkey invaded northern cyprus and it or or or data not recognize it this they lay recognizes as liberation but every other country recognizes this as an occupation of in. They set up the republican turkish republic of northern cyprus while the republic of cyprus in the south so this turkish republic is only recognized again by turkey while everyone recognizes greater cypress including the turkish republic of northern cyprus. They think of that as part of republic of cyprus every other country does and so turkish president receive tyke tape arab third. oh god has said that he is. Intent is to create a two state solution on the island. He's done that he saying. You know what we've had. We have the turkish republic of cyprus. We have regular cyprus rightly we don't need to fight it at this point. We might as well just do this. Now he emphasized the necessity of it right now in so he said that neither side recognizes the two different countries officially And turkey broke off the recognition of cyprus in nineteen sixty three after a series of violent events that lead to severing of diplomatic relations of this is that there's a huge story behind this. I actually quite interested in breaking down the history of cyprus later it's it's it's it's. It's really complicated but Essentially turkey broke off recognition of at night to sixty three after some violence app. And so pretty much with this. Two state solution proposal do cement. The reality of the situation that is there's two different countries have different governments. And what's the point of not recognising eachother. We might as well just friends with each other. So that's kind of what he suggested. However let's just say the international community was not very happy because they're saying why would we recognize. Why would we recognize a country that does not exist in northern cyprus. So there's the conflict right there in so yeah the the this two state again just cement and make this current state of the island. More official that a greek cypriots their side. The turkish cypriots will get theirs. We'd all move on. We'll be happy. So are doggone said this statement specifically he said and quote today and cypress. There are two separate people's two separate democratic orders in two separate states. A two state solution must be discussed negotiated on the basis of sovereign equality and quote. So this this again triggered fierce backlash from the international community as every country again decides turkey recognizes the republic of cyprus as one owns the entire island so in a state and the president of cyprus. Cyprus nicos anastasius said this in response to president reagan he said end quote. Ankara has absolute no respect for international law european principles and values and his obligations towards the european so again every country. Besides turkey views the turkish republic of northern cyprus occupation and turkey. They point to the infamous day of bloody christmas in. That's the thing that happened to california. This is the thing that happened enough. Cyprus this couple. Christmas and this is when greek nationalists in nineteen sixty three killed over one hundred turks within a day. Who's living on the island them. These were like again nationalist. They wanted independence from they. They wanted to kind of merge greece as a single country in so they in so turkey saying. Look if these people were killed over one hundred of our civilians. How can we trust them. How can we trust them to preserve cultural heritage in our people and our language if they're going to do stuff like that the only way to guarantee the safety of turkish people is to pretty much have our own state on the islands for them and so That's why turkey says that the greek and cypriot governments cannot be trusted to protect the turkish citizen. So this has always been their main argument as it was also. The rain are good in two thousand seventeen. When reunification tops toxin psychics were attempted and failed. However in the speech. 'cause erdogan he's got a sable will things in the speech is not just about the two state solution was made everyone angry He's also has to talk about the fact that we got a search for gas a little bit so he said in a speech that he's going to continue these new this gas explorations in the mediterranean in the eastern mediterranean and he will no longer tolerate quote diplomacy games and i said that he will only stop in a again until a fair settlement was reached. So what does this mean specifically. He's saying that. Look look. Look look we. We do not want to search for oil. Oil is on a priority. We don't need all the time. It's just that if you guys are nice and you create something fair if a nice fair deal yom it will stop. But in the meantime we're just to keep searching. You're really making seem like the turkish government and the president just signed in a room and listened to that song that goes. Why can't we be friends. Non talking about i do. You're talking about much chagrin. The international community did not listen to the song. And as you guys know We've talked about placing sanctions on other people when they're disrespectful the other european countries. They've threatened to place sanctions on turkey for for having their ships going around the mediterranean. Looking for oil. Yes so certainly going back to that. Classic disrespectful move which is placing sanctions on someone. Can't we friends man. Yeah turkeys nason to the song ladies. Want the two state solution right. Besides the fact that every other country thinks it's occupied They wanted it right. They don't think it is So that's kind of the spiracy right like turkey versus the rest of the world at this point for just cyprus not forever single geopolitical conflict but before we continue i cannot recommend enough especially to our listeners who enjoy international news the mindset podcasts there also in international news podcast which likes to shed some light on the news and current events and i really think you should check them out and here's a little advert of what they do. Hello good evening. Good morning good afternoon wherever you may be around this wild wacky in sometimes disturbing our yes. That's the intro to the mindset. Podcast a weekly attempt to open eyes and shedding light on. What's really going on in the world. All done by ripping apart the media madness. That masquerades as news join me. Gareth davis every sunday on the mindset. Podcast you can find the show. On all major podcasting services such as i teams stitcher and so on or you can go directly to the main mindset website that's www dot mindset central dot com check out the mindset. Podcast bring your curiosity your opinions and a sense of humor and remember that some world views or stranger than others. but anyways we're gonna move on to. Because i. I love talking about cyprus but i think it's only fair that we talked about the former defense secretary of the mexican government. Yes that's only fair. It is only fair until his name. What is his name. His name is salvador san diego cepeda and he was arrested for being accused of being a drug cartel. Boss as well as money. Launderer by the us government. So those are charges. Let me say years. Don't live in the united states. Those charges you want get charged with if you don't live in the united states that's probably also something you don't wanna get charged with fists. Socialist overall pretty bad to get charged a drug cartel boss in a money launderer. So what did mr cienfuegos do. Well the evidence against him is quite is quite interesting but let. Let's look at what was actually happening. So this originally triggered a lot of the mexican government since they said. We'll you're never informed this investigation or the subsequent wet arrested actually happened the us government. They're just spying on inflation. Goes the annonay eventually seized time in the mexican governor. They had no idea what was even happening. That's not nice. It's not nice. Use the former defense secretaries. Look a diplomat of our government. This how you treat a diplomat. How dare you. Yes so having only step down. San diego still has many close ties mexico which is why the the anger from the mexican government is especially high So the us the us government against seizing. This guy is really high up. It's not good luck and so the. Us government has agreed he. They agreed to transfer Goes back to mexico. After the current mexican president andres lopez obrador of threatened rethink their cooperation. On how the. Us drug enforcement agency operates in the country. so essentially. what's mexico doing here. They're saying all right. You don't give them back the we're just going to rethink all the deals we've ever made and i just about drugs and i just. I don't wanna do that. But you're forcing my hand here. United states and the us is saying you know what it's just one dude you take care of him treat them treat them like he's a criminal. Though in mexico says in mexico said yeah we will come to the appropriate Solution we he will receive his punishment. So the us said they're gonna we're gonna bring them back. That's fine we don't need to rethink anything. He's just hold up a second mexico this in so yes. Essentially the american government thought it was not worth the hassle. A charge guy He's caught right like he's not going to be. He's not going to be Drucker till's getaway and specifically there are some reports that came out from mister cienfuegos. Which said that he was favoring some drug drug cartels over the other like he cracked down on some of the other ones. He looked the other way is so he didn't want the equal between the drug cartels. Are he was prioritizing. Certain drug cartels. That's what the investigation shows in. So what's it's important to know that Goes were closely with the us. Government to counter drug to counter drug influence a drug cartel influence during his time as defense secretary It under the obama administration early trump administration. So that he was there from two thousand eleven to two thousand eighteen or something like that And so you know it's the government saying oh we're working with the drug guy the whole time to counter drugs a little bit of irony. Well i just be outworked shots. Yeah so that. That's i'm assuming that's why the american government was a little bit angry but let's let them be angry. Let's at the cyprus. Talk about two state solution unless let airstrikes. Continue to go around my house. But in the meantime We will talk about a budget plan in the european union because this is actually a very big deal so the european union they have this thing where all the little countries get together. They all talk about bills. They wanna pass regarding money in these budgets that they want to do in how they want to structure their little blocks for the next few years ahead right so they got together. They they are. They're pretty devastated. Cova doing all these lockdowns turns out. Lockdowns economically. So what we're gonna do is just we're gonna pass this one point. Two trillion dollar stimulus bill and so all the european in this. Obviously it's a lot of money but you have so many different countries in there right so all of them do a little bit of all their contributions and so they got together and they plan this out and this has been negotiations for months until they finally. They finally got to the vote to talk about this bill this trove over trillion dollar bill. And because it's the european union looking at their laws Every single country has to agree on it. And hungary and poland said you don't but we're not going to agree in fact even thought enough they also said you know what we're going to veto it. Every country has equal feeding power. One country videos at the whole thing goes for in so hungry. Poland day vetoed and. That's just put the whole thing under and this made a lot of countries in the european union angry. Because this is this supposed to be a stimulus bill for the for the people in so why did hungary and poland. Do this well. They both had pretty similar reason. That being that there is a risk that passing it. They might lose their subsidies from the european union. And so you has this the standard that they set up regarding into values in its democracy and it has this whole list online rules of law at once every country to hold it and you has been critical poland and hungary for for one reason or another for not upholding these values of the european union. They pull into cracks down the press Hungary is moving in a more dictatorial path. Of course all these countries denied this stuff. But this is the. I'm just telling you what they're saying. It these that's what's happening right. And so the inside. The the wording of the document was off but absurd. I actually took a quote from the era. it's it. I'm this is what they're kind of referring to here. It says quote this is from the document even if has even if has not found universal endorsement democracy in its liberal variant which protects fundamental rights is based on the rule of law in separation of power. This was the most well established system in the world at the end of two thousand seventeen saying that democracy is flourishing. It's coming much bigger in. They're saying that well they're kind of will. A lot of western. European countries are saying well hungary poland or kind of going in the opposite direction of what this is trying to imply in that you're becoming less democratic not more democratic and so The so the part. That's a little confusing. Here is why porn- hungary thinks this all comes out to the wording of the bill so a few months ago they had bill hungary. Poland were willing to sign off on it. Then there were some tweaks and those tweaks statement poland hungary little bit unhappy because the leaders of the eu again hinted at the prospect of countries do not protect the rights of their citizens within the block they can lose valuable subsidies and many of the countries in the eu have openly expressed concern again over the two countries for those reasons In a they think there's an rosen of their democracy in these respective countries. It's so hungary and poland find. These claims are religious. So let's we're going to look at the wording of it in a minute and so what the wording actually is is. It says that if that language within the bill says that the countries cannot receive funds unless they hold the standards and so that comes down to a matter of opinion right. Does the country actually have hold the standard of roy of law and democracy and since all these countries in the us said well you. You're certainly very questionable on holding the standard poland. Hungary can be like what are you gonna questionable. What does that even mean. What do you mean. I hope holding the standard of might not holding pulling it. You're saying i'm not that it sounds like if we pass this thing in. There's a chance that i can get these subsidies with health for me. Because i don't uphold your criteria than i might not get the money. So why would i pass bill. I'm just gonna you know it. Until i'm guaranteed the money and so that's kind of what's happening here so this made the head of the european people's party that ap very mad his name is donald tusk and he said on twitter and quote. Whoever's against the principle of role of law is against europe. I i expect a clear position on this from all the parties. The opponents of our fundamental values should no longer be protected by anyone. Some harsh words certainly striking back. And so what mr saying. Well i think you guys can already kind of understand. We say but what is hinting at here is. If you're this should not be a problem for the european union. Everyone should easily meet the standards. You admitted to the european union as a democratic nation. So the evening to question you is the problem. Hungary poland through just making a fuss fuss by vetoing it on really being. Yeah in poland. And hungary are saying look. We need subsidies aware we have current virus now countries to we need these subsidies. You're not gonna withhold it because Sufi criteria and it's again disputed over if they actually do meet the criteria or not because there are valid arguments both ways The fact of the matter is that's that's what's happening. These subsidies are possibly going to be with health due to the wording of it so they want more clear wording what it comes down to essentially so quite interesting relations are clearly breaking down within the block of so. Let's keep an eye on the european union but while we're keeping an eye on that let's talk about the chinese foreign ministry. Be very angry at australia. Never heard that before. So china and australia recently. They tend to fight a little bit. They don't like each other Their governments are pretty polar opposites right. So let's see what's going on this time. So the chinese foreign ministry released a statement in which demanded that australia actively worked to fix the rapidly deteriorating relationship between them invasion so shallow john the foreign minister and spokesman though the four minute i four ministry spokesman for china not the foreign minister is a spokesman said that australia's started the conflict between them in china and that it will be their job to end it so essentially like you started it right. That's what they're doing here and so Leash leon said this specifically an quote. I want to stress that. The australian side is completely aware of the crux of the decline of bilateral relations. We hope the australian sides should do more to improve the mutual trust and cooperation and enhance the comprehensive strategic partnership between the two countries So this new wave of criticism stems from the fact that australia has done to key things that his anger the chinese government. They've won the publicly demanded international destination into the origins of the corona virus. Which means that they wanna know where it came from this kind of working with the united states here in saying that. We want investigate. What's going on here and to australia. Signed a defensive packwood china's biggest rival japan which they promised to protect each other. Have each other's backs in so both of these things. May china quite angry. China also went on to say that. Australia is just a puppet of the us. They just they all think for themselves. They just think whatever the american stick. That's not good china australia. You need to be an independent nation. We're actually trying to help you. We're the good guys. Yeah so but you start worth Use started it do created these bad relations or cutting off your barley or cutting or imported barley or your coal import from mongolia. Now guys remember that post and they're cutting off their strings. One could say strengths the puppet strings. Yeah so the Bat is what's happening in you see australia. And china starting to their tensions have been increasing for a while especially on the naval side. And this defensive packwood japan especially is really just certainly not making it more peaceful but less peaceful if anything are everyone so that is all we have for you today in the hot cast on. We are quite happy to have recorded this We always love doing this. 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344: Jonna Mendez | The Moscow Rules

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344: Jonna Mendez | The Moscow Rules

"Welcome to the show. I'm Jordan Harbinger as always with my producer. Jason Filipo on the Jordan Harbinger show. We decode the stories. Secrets and skills of the world's most brilliant and interesting people and turn their wisdom into practical advice that you can use to impact your own life and those around you. We want to help you see the matrix when it comes to how these amazing people think and behave. We want you to become a better thinker. If you're new to the show we've got episodes with spies and CEO's athletes and authors thinkers and performers as well as toolboxes for skills like negotiation public speaking body language persuasion. And more. So if you're smart and you like to learn and improve you'll be right at home here with us today. On the show Jonah Mendez. She's a former chief of disguise at the office of Technical Service. I honestly had no idea that we still used disguise. I guess it make sense and but apparently it's even more popular than ever so we wanted to have her on the show for those of us that have seen James Bond she was basically Q. But for the CIA. But Jonah wasn't just in the lab. She was also in the field working with operatives and she was stationed in Moscow during the height of the Cold War in the seventies and eighties. She's one of the pioneers or innovators of espionage disguise including concepts. Like this guy is on the run which is more or less what it sounds like changing while walking using special clothes and devices in just a few seconds. Not just like taking off a jacket for turning into somebody completely different within seconds walking through a building for example the concept of identity transfer turning one person into another or cloning people so to speak all of this is and was done to avoid confuse or shake surveillance because in the game of espionage if the asset has surveillance the operation has gone bad. And you'll hear that during the show today. They also used disguise to make surveillance lose the agent for a bit so they could do their thing and then come back on surveillance radar deliberately. These disguises were so good that later in her career pbs film crew filming her and recreating. An exercise actually didn't even recognize her so they weren't filming even though they were looking for her the entire time and she told them that she was going to be in disguise. So that's how good these are. These are not just like the fake news. Fake Mustache and glasses. You're thinking of right now so come join us some very high tech and some very low tech innovation in the field of espionage and disguise as well as plenty of war stories from the Soviet Union during the height of the Cold War. If you WANNA know how I managed to book all these great people well I gotTA network. That's crazy huge teaching you to do the same thing because it's very important for your business if you don't have a business it's important for your career or just your regular personal social life. Come join me. It's a free course. Jordan harbinger dot com slash course. And I'm teaching you how to do that by the way. Talk about it and espionage skill said this is something I've been teaching to intelligence agencies all over the world so I'm giving you these billion version it's free and there's no upscale Jordan harbinger dot com slash course by the way most of the guests on the show. Actually subscribe to the course and the newsletter. So come join us. You'll be great company now. Here's John Did you spent much of your career in the Soviet Union and I would love to know what that's like because for example. You're under surveillance all the time. That's kind of given in the Soviet Union. Just being there as a foreigner you're automatically under suspicion as by or they just consider you the same as the spy. There's no foreign business over there. I assume right there is foreign business. the thing that drew the attention was the American embassy in particular. We weren't the only ones that had surveillance but we had. I think we were in a special category I think we got their top teams in their undivided attention on occasion. They were very often not sure who might be the intelligence officers and so they would start out anybody that was assigned there. We'll get just really strenuous surveillance. Twenty four hours a day and then they'd sort of lighten up on some people who started looking like more ordinary. They might give special attention to this group of people who they thought looks suspicious so our job was always to be in that first group to look ordinary. That was the beginning of a relationship. That would color your assignment in Moscow. If they really felt that you were part of the evil empire they were just unrelenting. It was a smothering kind of surveillance. And that's why we we invented Moscow rules. We didn't have like Paris rules or Tokyo rules. Or is it the only city in the world where the opposition was just so leaning on a so hard that we trained? We deployed everything we did. There was unique because of that embrace that we were in a of surveillance the embrace. It almost sounds like a nice little. Kgb Hug that you had gone there it could kill you literally. Kill your foreign agent for sure you know. And that's what they were after. I mean they were following us just every minute or they were watching us or they were listening to a center. Apartments are they were sitting next to us in the American embassy in in the shape of a foreign national. Who's working with us to help in really helped? Do the paperwork help. Make the shipments come make everything work. They were everywhere around us but they weren't really after us. They were after the Russians that were working with us. They were after the people in their country that were committing treason. Were betraying their country. Working Press and if they could get to those people they would execute them and they did that so much pressure and I definitely want to discuss that later in the show because there are some very specific examples of people that just sound like they either had a tolerance for stress. That was well beyond just not even in the solar system is the level of trust that the rest of have or they were wired completely differently and I wonder what you think about that. But this is nineteen seventy-six Moscow. And what through eighty five? What time period are we talking about here runs up to about eighty nine and I think in the book I think the first case we talk about was really our first case there? That was in sixty three. That was at the beginning when we were unable to basically manage an espionage case in in Moscow that one only lasted eighteen months and they found him and they arrested him and they execute him was only been coffee. That's so terrifying looking back. Eighty nine not that long ago it is but it isn't and I was born in one thousand nine hundred. I'm not even forty right now so to have a country that's like this in one thousand nine hundred eighty nine so to tell. -Tarian is crazy. I've been to North Korea a few times and I would imagine it's kind of similar. North Korea seems I can't imagine anything more controlled than North Korea. But maybe it's possible. I'm not sure North Korea's almost in a category of its own. I haven't been to North Korea so I can't really comment but I've read a number of books about it about how it operates about how they control their citizenry and I mean. We've all seen little peek set. What happens if step out of line including if you're an American student over there who pulls a poster off wall you know incomes home basically brain dead so they yeah they know how to keep the lid on and how to keep their people marching in line. What's interesting about this? I think a lot of people will be like. Oh America's not free either. I always get those emails after I do shows like this but I think what people don't understand is the reason that they were able to keep such a tight grouping of you at a tight embrace on you is because they don't have any back then they had no semblance of freedom. They could lockdown anything. They wanted people had no right so they could just absolutely flood the city with state resources and monitor everything and everyone and that type of thing is just not possible in a free society. Would you agree with that people who speak that way? Probably haven't travelled very widely. You almost need to go take a look at the other possibilities places that you could have been but you weren't places that you could be living today but you're not. You're living in the United States to really appreciate the freedoms that we have. You know I I never WanNa talk about politics. When I'm talking about this book but it ebbs and it flows there are people who would like to tighten up security. There are people who are much more relaxed about security but even when security is tight back here doesn't even begin to approach. What some of these foreign countries but their citizens through I watch documentaries all the time and I saw recently in Belarus and there's a group of students that do these plays that are kind of like. Hey we should have more freedom and look. They're locking down or internet and they get busted beat up by cops and thrown in jail and they go missing. It's really crazy to have a country like that in Eastern Europe in two thousand twenty. You know there was a rock band in In Russia will be. They called Pussy Riot. Yes she was on the show. Actually really yeah sorry. I didn't hear that I'd like to hear one of them. Talk about it but it was a great opportunity for the government to make a statement to remind their citizens that this is not allowed. This is what will happen faith through her in prison for years and they had her making uniforms and they were beating up and salting are she's toughest nails. You'd have to be to be in that position. She's just one of the toughest people that I know. She's a true. Her international notoriety is an artist is for a good reason. What's strange is you know you think. Oh who's GONNA commit treason against their own country? They must hate Russia. They must hate the United States. She actually loves Russia in hates Vladimir Putin so she's very specific about that. I said why do you still live in Russia? And she said I would die without it I would suffocate without it. I'm Russian Vladimir Putin and his cronies we have to get rid of so she is just not afraid of anyone obviously a lot of Russians have that same visceral attachment to their country. They love their motherland. It's hard to separate them from it. We've exfiltrated some people we've had defectors come out from Russia. They come to this country they see all these choices. They have in a drugstore. You have to choose from like forty kinds of toothpaste. They have trouble coping with that and a lot of them. Get very very morose and depressed and discovered that they would like to go back. That's what Russia now of course capitalist more or less I mean yes. There's a lot of cronies stuff going on there. And that's a whole that's a whole different show. We talked about some of that with bill browder before foot having that kind of environment in communism like Old School. Stalinism or Leninism. I guess it would be called. Well I don't know I'm not up on that. It's either North Korea's certainly Stalinist having that kind of society with no choice and no free commerce to miss that is kind of like an alien notion to those of us who grew up in the United States or the Western world at all. That's right you know the mark that Stalin left on that society carries on today. If you sit down with a Russian couple and you say that your family history in your country. What part of Russia were they from? How did that go? You almost always hear the stories about the purges you'll hear stories about arrests and murders where their widows were orphans. There were just these tragedies on a scale that we can't imagine stolen was just he was just so brutal isn't even a big enough word for what he did and he left a mark that continues today. There are people in Russia who can't proceed further in their careers because say their grandfather worked with the Bolsheviks or the white Russians there's a mark there's mark in their personnel files somewhere that says they can't be trusted they can't be promoted beyond a certain level and that's one of the things that drives that citizenry into our arms. They hate that part of Russia. They that piece of Russia and that is a catalyst for them to work with us. I have a friend who I grew up with and went to college with him and lived with his father. Has I think too. And he worked for Dupont and had a pretty darn good career guy with two chemistry. Phd's I said. Why did you leave Russia? And they said well. I wasn't allowed to have a job because I'm Jewish and they said we have to. Phd's what a waste of human capital and needs to know why they're doing how they're doing compared to countries that don't deal with that kind of thing exactly. Yeah so going back to the Moscow rules. I think it was at a CIA official that quoted in the book. That said it would be easier to run agent on Mars that Dick Helms one of one of our legendary chief CIA. That was his comment. And it was right on the mark. There's something like fifty thousand KGB agents in Moscow to counter the CIA and other foreign intelligence agencies just thinking about that. I read that I wrote that down and going over my notes this morning. I thought I think the town I grew up in which was not that small had forty thousand people in it now. It was next to other towns so it seemed larger for that reason but fifty thousand people. There's you'd need multiple high schools. That's the size of the University of Michigan campus including all staff and faculty all the students from all the different university campuses in the area. That's still more people you know that number came from Oleg Kalugin and only was KGB officer. He didn't defect quality lives in the United States now. He transplanted himself he became he became disenchanted with KGB and he went into politics in Russia he was in the parliament for awhile and then he decided he'd start a new life over here they had already taught him as a spy in the KGB. Perfect English I mean only came and just fit right in these board member of the international spy museum. Now he's a Russian representative there He was the one that gave me the number. I hadn't seen that number until I interviewed him. I interviewed Jack. Barsky also on this show. Who Have you heard of him at all? Yes yeah that kind of story to know that that's happening is absolutely crazy. Because when I look at the people who let's say defect which is the wrong word but the people that go and they move over to Russia. It's like Steven Seagal where we're just kind of like all right. See you later. Nobody's going to miss you. You know. It's not some high level parliamentarian who decides to go start living in Washington DC or Manhattan. Because they're sick of it. It's somebody who's kind of generally not stupor beloved type of person and has maybe a rough or strange passed in actually prefers authoritarians over normal societies. And that's I think speaks a lot. I'M NOT ANTI RUSSIA BY ANY MEANS. I think the police fascinating and I think the people are brilliant. Two Cultures Amazing foods amazing. I pretty much like everything about that. Other than some of these major sort of little tags on the reputation of the way that they treat people. It's hard to say that as an American given our track record but it it is different and I wonder what you think about that. Because it's definitely there were kind of not really in the same league when it comes to health society functions. In my opinion you know in the thirties and the forties. There were a lot of Americans who were interested in that experiment going on in Russia. They kind of bought into that idea of this capitalist state where you worked as hard as you needed to and and you will get everything that you needed to carry on. It was interesting. A lot of people went that way for ideological reasons. You meant communist right. Yeah I'm sorry. Yeah and then that tapered off entirely and the ideological flow shifted and the people that they would come to us were looking for our society our freedoms our openness our our ability to live a life unencumbered by all of the restrictions that you find Moscow now the embassy in the Soviet Union. They discovered later head microphones in all the rooms to price. The price ceilings but even in the foundation during construction. I always wondered about this. I thought how come if we're building a embassy that's obviously going to be used for intelligence and diplomacy in a country that might be hostile to the United States. How on Earth can we build that? Where there's no spy gear placed into the actual fabric of the building? And that obviously happened. You know what I'm talking to a public audience like it was yesterday and we get to this point if it comes up first thing I say. How many is there anybody? Here who's worked for State Department? Usually there is not because then I talk about State Department in not best terms the seat we were given originally an old building. It was an apartment building and the United States embassy was in that building for many many years. It was a fire hazard. It was the electricity. Didn't work everything was wrong with it and it was sprinkled with bugs of course then we decided that we needed a new embassy and the Russians decided that they needed a new embassy in DC. It's always reciprocal. Whatever we do at one an embassy we can do to the other. They move forward together so they started building their embassy in. Dc WE started building our new embassy in Russia but State Department brokered the whole deal and stay department for all the wonderful things that they do. Security is not nearly as high on their list is it is at CIA show for starters they gave the Russians the highest piece of ground in Washington. Dc and that's where they built their new embassy which is allowed them to intercept all kinds of microwave. Signals I mean from that kind of point of view. It's an ideal location. They gave us the lowest point in Moscow. It's almost down in a little bit of swamp so we started out on the wrong foot. State Department decided that there was no reason that the pieces of our building couldn't be pre assembled by Russian citizens the pre cast concrete. Rebar the big pieces that go into making. A high-rise building was all put together in Moscow whereas the Soviets in Washington DC insisted on bringing all their workers and no American touched anything not a brick when they built the Soviet embassy so we ended up with a building that was guess what riddled with bugs. And I can't speak to their embassy but I assume that wasn't nearly the same situation when they were building our new embassy. They were putting the bugs into the pre cast concrete. They were pouring the concrete around the bug so that you could not debugged this building. The only thing you can do is tear it down which we basically ended up doing. We had to undo that building and then bring it. American construction workers start again and build it backup been hoped it was more secure. I'm sure it was more secure. But that was such a fiasco such a long drawn out episode and it was kind of embarrassing. That was even allowed to happen to be. Yeah that seems like Amateur Hour. If I'm thinking about this when I'm know fifteen and watching a spy movie you'd think somebody who's in charge of building. The Soviet Embassy from the perspective of the United States might have done a brainstorm session with his teenage kids or something like that just to make sure that he had all the bases covered cheese. There was a point where that building as it was nearing completion and it was becoming clear that we were going to have to tear it down. Where one of the Soviet officials brought to the United States embassy personnel a blueprint to show where all the bugs were knowing that we couldn't remove him knowing that we had to remove the building. And we're going to do that. Gave us the group blueprints just to. I don't know shove it in your face. I think so. I think so fear in here and they're here. That's just unbelievable. This stories you have in the book. The Moscow rules microphones being sewn into people's clothing and then put back in their closet before they notice so you leave for the KGB comes in opens up your closet takes one of your suits out. So's bugs into it puts it back in the closet and get home that night and you hopefully don't notice obviously people did notice which is how we know. This is even happening. I assume you know. There's a European tradition all over Europe but used to be where you leave your shoes if you were like a apartment building or a hotel. Leave your shoes outside the door and somebody the shoe Elf would come at night and shine your shoes. That was just always tradition and our people started noticing. That were microphones in their shoes too. So certainly didn't put their shoes outside anymore. I mean every opportunity to do a bug. They took unbelievable. Yeah wow well you were brought on because of your talent for art which by the way kind of funny now it is because you never hear that anymore from any company ever I feel like but maybe that's not the case. Maybe still does that. I feel like a lot of people who study art I mean isn't it the cliche that they can't get jobs later in here. You are working in in Moscow for the Central Intelligence Agency you know. They hired my husband. Tony Mendez. He responded to an AD IN DENVER IN THE DENVER. Post and the AD said wanted an artist to work overseas for the US Navy and Tony Wasn't artist. He was working artist. He had his own galleries but he was also working with Mark Marietta. He was drawing wiring harnesses for the Titan to missile program. It's not art. But it's a way for an artist to make some money watt. He's doing his art in the evening and Tony was intrigued. Because he couldn't imagine why they would want artists in the navy so he responded and of course it wasn't the navy was the CIA and what they wanted was an artist with the kind of exquisite hand eye coordination Tony ad but not to make art but to make copies to make copies of all kinds of documents. This is where. I'm always careful with how I word this but think travel documents. Tony could make perfect replica of a travel document or stamp or anything. The only thing that he couldn't make because it's not allowed could make money. If you make the other person's money it's an active war. Turns out so see. I did not do that but we were just about everything else. And that was his beginning. That was his entry into NCAA. As an artist I came in as someone interested in art with some photo skills. Not really highly developed photo skills but certainly adequate for entry level off. We went from there. It sounds kind of a low-key job right A. Making fake or copies of documents. I guess I'll I'll use your careful. Wording here I can leave between the lines and but the test that you said would you crossed an international border using the document you just created because that's that's the tests this can make kids orphans wives widows which that is a lot of pressure. Yeah it really was and the artists who are doing this work. Were always very proud of the work that they did and they wanna make it as good as they can make. It became an issue because they wanted everything kind of perfect in these travel documents. That might have stamps inside of them. They're never perfect. The document is perfect. Stamps are not perfect. The story that we always used to tell there was We were copying travel document and the document we were copying had rusted staples in it so are artists who made the duplicate shined staples up. Got That rust out of there and I mean he had this really just pristine document and gave it to his supervisor. To say this is as good as it can get. What do you think the supervisor said you know? The rust is part of the authenticity of the document without the rust at the border of that country. That person's going to be pulled into secondary for questioning something as simple as that so I mean it was really painstaking. And you'd issue those documents and you just tighten up. You'd be watching. Yeah you just be watching the cable traffic. You'd be watching the news to make sure that you didn't see that. Somebody had been detained for that kind of a reason. It was tough work. I can imagine even for a lot of people will go out. They wouldn't notice some of the small details but it doesn't matter rep because if you're looking at travel documents all day and every single one of them has rusty staples because the staples last about a month or six months and you get one with shiny new staple or the staples go in rusty because they've been sitting in a warehouse for five years in a communist country. It looks really suspicious when that comes through and you may notice that or I think and we study a lot of brain science and cognitive science here on the show a lot of people wouldn't necessarily notice the staples they would just go. There's something weird about this passport and I don't know what it is but it's my job to follow my gut when it comes to this sort of thing. So why don't you step in this room here? It doesn't even matter if they notice the staples if they just get. It doesn't fit the pattern completely. One hundred percent it can trips. Somebody's subconscious alarm bells. Well you know when we were talking about documents. There's an offensive and a defensive side to that because we were in the business of making false documents we became the experts in detecting counterfeits and forgeries back. Then this was Twenty five thirty years ago back then. Terrorists were traveling the world on their version of counterfeit travel documents and they were full of mistakes that we saw we'd see generations. You could almost tell. Oh they've got a new guy making them now because he's changed things now he's doing this and he's making that mistake so we published in my offices. We publish something a little book. And we gave it out to all of our friendly allies for their immigration people and it was like if you're looking at a fake pick country a fake Italian passport when the terrorists are making fake Italian passports that consistently make this mistake so the immigration officer. When he had an Italian passport he would go to the Italian page. And if that mistake was in the documentary looking the last time I looked. They had arrested over two hundred terrorists based on that book. Oh that's so interesting. Yeah Yeah I mean you have to use the knowledge. Come and go and it's like I think I studied this as a kid. There's all these little things in the dollar bill right there on the leaf in the background. Yeah yeah that's fascinating that's fascinating I would imagine. The mistakes are not necessarily visual things. Though right it could be like the string. That's in the paper on the cover is lately Tan and this is not could be anything. It could be anything. If you're replicating something it's hard for you to find all of the security features in that document that you're copying you can find maybe ninety five percent of them but that five percents that you don't find that's what we put in our book and then what would happen is the terrorists would find out that. Oh we were stopping those passports and so they start. They do a new run and they'd make another mistake. And so we update our book so we were always chasing behind them trying to call out all the errors they're kind of like cue from James Bond but it's the CIA. And you create these Ukraine gadgets as well as items or was that just kind of different departments. We absolutely we work you. We provided the same services to the CIA we were modeled after military models and after that British model the CIA was sort of brought along by our allies in the UK. And so a lot of things. We did things they had tried. You know that worked so in my office this is my larger office called the officer Technical Service. And that's what this book Moscow. Rules is about really. Is the broader office not just disguise not just documents but the people that did bugs the people that built them the people that turned into third story? Guys that would go in and install those bugs. It's about the people that did all the research are in D. on batteries for their entire careers the trying to make those batteries smaller and smaller stronger and stronger so that we can pack more batteries into a bug so last longer because once you put a bug in place say it's woodblock underneath the conference table in somebody's seventh floor conference room. You will never get back in to change the batteries. The batteries die. You're done that's it. Your operation is over so the length of time those batteries would last which is hugely important. Worked in Clandestine photography. That was an area that I worked in extensively using very very unique cameras. Very unique they were film cameras back then working with low light level video which is kind of where that technology came from. We needed it before the American consumer needed it. We needed to be able to do video in low light level. 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To Jordan Harbinger DOT COM slash subscribe subscribing to. The show is absolutely free. It just means that you get all of the latest episodes downloaded automatically to your podcast player. So you don't miss a single thing and now back to the show. It's funny to think about tiny cameras. Being kind of the height of technology in the age of satellites. Right we we have a man walked on the moon. We have satellites orbiting the Earth for communication and espionage. But it's like hey. Can you make a camera that can take pictures in the dark? You don't think about that because you think of that almost as technology but it's it really isn't. It's very handy if you can do that. If you can be non alerting while you're collecting the intelligence. So have you back up for a minute and you look at what our main mission was. It was to collect intelligence. For our policymakers in Washington on the plans and intentions of our enemies. That's distilling down just about as clear as you can get it. We wanted to know. What are they going do next so today somewhere at at Langley they put together a program for all CIA around the world and one of the one of the priority items in our next year program will be. What is Kim Jong Hoon? What's he doing? What's he going to do? Another piece of it will be what Putin doing. What's going to do and it gets specific. What about their nuclear program? Where is it? Where's it going and country by country? It's it's a program call and then. Cia spreads it out and says who has access to this information. Who in the world knows the answers to these questions? Okay let's go recruit them. Let's go get them on our side. Let's go find them and meet them and see if we can't get some of them to work for us. That's kind of how how that whole thing plays out our job at Otas in this queue office was to provide our case officers with whatever they needed to further their recruitment effort or if they had an operation that was going live to help keep it clandestine and a really big part of it from me was also to protect those foreigners that are working for us. Keep them alive. They will provide as much intelligence as they can. And then if we need to exfiltrated if something goes wrong if there's trouble we always had agreed up front when we recruited them that we will come in. We will get you. We will come get you and your family and we will get you out. That was the deal. A lot of people might not realize that a lot of slash most intelligence or at least the human intelligence was gathered by people who lived in the country that were Russians. For example. I think a lot of folks have a spy movie kind of idea of what the CIA does. And they're thinking your age and your trained and you're running around flown in from Virginia. And now you're in Moscow running around taking photos of documents. But it's the people that those people recruit that work in the place where the documents are stored maybe for example that are taking the photos and then handing them off and I think a lot of folks don't realize that so that's to clarify for the audience. That's what I think is important here because those people are taking a huge risk if if someone is flown in from Virginia has diplomatic immunity into diplomatic cover. They get arrested. They get booted out of the country persona non grata usually right so they can't come back but if somebody who's Russian or Soviet citizen GETS CAUGHT. They shot by a firing squad. I think if they're lucky they do yeah they do they get executed and their families. Go THROUGH HELL. I mean their families are then marked. You know for the rest of their lives. Can't get good jobs. Can't get much of anything. Because they were part of the family of the trader serious business the engineers that in the seventies sound kind of like tech startup engineers of today so eccentric a little. Maybe sometimes awkward. Brilliant very focused kind of nerdy. Yeah Yeah I was GONNA say go ahead. They were lovely. I mean they were I'm not sure how we hired some of them because back then and maybe this is true today. We because we were government agency could never offer say the engineers the same salary that they would get from some big corporate office. We could not compete with salaries and I used to go on some of the recruiting efforts. So what we have to do is find. Just the right people and we'd say look. We can't actually tell you what you'll be doing. But she'll be working in your field. You'll be on the cutting edge of your field. You will be inventing new technology. You'll be helping US solve some of these requirements. It's worth doing. Why not do something that matters? Why not do something that makes the and so some of them would come to us? I tend to think that some of the most interesting ones came to us because our technical officers went onto win awards and invent technology that didn't even exist yet. I mean they were. They were into bubble memory long before the private industry was. We were looking into areas that the small batteries for instance eventually spilled out into the commercial market. There in hearing aids are watches in our phones. All that stuff. Today we were pushing technology to solve our problems and I think Some of the people that were helping us do that. We're just amazing. I mentioned one in the book is named George and he. He was our battery expert. And I used to laugh because I would say you know. Short of being a urologist. I can't think of a more boring profession than to be a battery expert but I mean he made huge difference in the commercial technology made a difference the CIA and then went on years later to some fame and glory. He capped his career when he was part of the team that saved the Hubble telescope and that telescope was having a power source problem and George was part of the team. That figured out how to fix it so we just kind of stand over on the side whenever we hear one of our guys done yet one more wonderful thing and we applaud. We had amazing talent. I know one of the things you worked on primarily was disguise. I thought that was kind of funny because when I think disguise I think early nineteen hundreds or like black and white silent film Charlie Chaplin Moustache. I don't really think nineteen seventy-three which is according to the book kind of when disguise really started to be taken seriously you got help from Hollywood. Why is it important? Then why did it start to really take off then? You know a lot of what we did in disguise. That was above and beyond wigs and mustaches was for Moscow because it was such a tough place to work in some parts of the world. You don't need that much in the way of disguise in some parts of the world. You might wear a wig a mustache. When you're meeting maybe you're having a drink with your agent's your foreign agent or maybe you're out in the park and you're just walking talking but but you don't WanNa be seen with that agent but the thing you're worried about more than security in that country is that maybe your next door neighbor from pick a place. Where from New York City from Manhattan? Maybe the next door neighbor in the apartment down the hall from you is also in Paris. And he's GonNa walk by and see you and come over and WanNa talk and you can't talk. You can't be billed at night even though your real name is bill because the person you're you're with he thinks your name is gene and that happens so often. It sounds odd but it did. That was a reason to wear a disguise so we would give those were called traditional disguised and everybody had a traditional disguised just in case they needed it. When terrorism started happening we started getting walk INS at our embassies around the world. Terrorists coming in wanted to see what the inside of the MC looks like. So they'd show up. Show up at the Marine Guard post one and they say. I want to talk to an intelligence official and if they really wanted to they'd say I have some information that they would want so the marine guard would have to call us. Somebody would have to go down and talk to them. There was a protocol for who would go. There was a protocol for how to manage it but on a lot of occasions all the terrorist wanted to do was see what the guy looked like and then they were going to set up outside. I'M GONNA wait for him to come out and his car could follow him home. See where he lived. Did he ever? Why did he dog? Did you have a kid and maybe start planning something? That was going to be really uncomfortable for that family. So those traditional disguises started becoming a little bit like body armor and our guys started using disguise in much more frequently than they had before they didn't even care if the terrorists knew that they were in disguise. They just didn't want the terrorists to be able to identify them. That was a push in the area of disguise. It started at about that time about the seventies that makes sense. I can imagine somebody being like. I don't have time to put this disguise on just where the hockey mask from the Friday the thirteenth guy. At least he won't go. Here's a kangaroo mask. Go down there with your Richard Nixon on or whatever it makes sense that you would want to not let somebody who you don't know who's acting shady. Just find out what you look like and follow you home in Iran or whatever. Oh absolutely yeah. There are a lot of incidents. And it encouraged our men to use their disguise in that made their operations safer. It made everybody safer so that was kind of a a moment. When disguise started becoming more of your operational planning in Moscow it became sometimes frequently. The only way you can do. Your job was to use some form of disguise. Some operations some deception some allusion. Some and that's when we went out to Hollywood and we talked to the magicians. Actually we talked to the magic builders the people behind the magicians create these moments on stage that we all look at and with our mouths hanging open like just a minute. There was an elephant there a minute ago and then he walked in that box and now they've opened the box in the elephants gone. Where where's the elephant and you look at these kinds of illusions and you say your logical mind says the elephant has to still be there but your is your is your say no no he's gone. There's no elephant on that stage. Three is no elephant. We wanted to learn how to hide announcement among other things. We had things we wanted. I might not be that big but we wanted to know. How do you pull that off and off? We went and that was offer Moscow. There's no other city in the world that we needed. I heard that you disguise. An African American and Asian man is two white guys which that is super impressive. I mean I I can almost see you could do it. The other way around you know like doing that direction. Seems even more complicated somehow. Well it was a for car meeting and it was in a dicey situation so the the idea of having the African American and the American diplomat in the same car at the same time was going to draw some undue attention so that particular operation. We didn't use a fine fine finally crafted mask. We use the equivalent of a stunt double mask. I mean that's what it was and it was a stunt double mask for Rex Harrison. The movie star. We used his face. I can't tell you how many times we can make his stunt double mask and we would paint it. You paint it to be dark. You could paint it to be Caucasian. You could put a wig on it. You could turn it into a woman although she was not a very pretty woman. But that wasn't the issue you could do a lot. You couldn't get too close to it but in a car car meeting or my husband had the story when they first started using them the agent and the case officers were in the car the agent head on the stunt double mass. They're both Caucasian now. My husband had made diplomatic. Id cards for them because he could do that. And they came to a roadblock and this is like Oh my God. They didn't plan on that. They came to a roadblock stopped. The car they held up their diplomatic. Id CARDS. The guards looked in the window. Looking at the cards waved them through. And this was just euphoria back at headquarters. Oh my God it worked so well somewhere. There's this old Russian guy who's talking about the time he met Rex. Harrison Moscow probably. Yeah I saw that. Movie Star guided. You guys aren't going to believe who drove through the checkpoint what that doesn't make any sense. Yeah yeah he's got a twin brother. Yeah yeah the idea of identity transfer. It takes a big part of the book and I love this idea. Can you tell us a little bit about what this is? It's not just hair samples facial imprint. But it's like creating a Ma. I'm trying to explain this. Like a cure creating a model of somebody else that exists so that you can kind of clone them and put them in different places so that maybe if you're cloning me I have plausible deniability because I'm on camera at the at the Lakers game. But really I'm at a meeting with an agent or something like that. Is that kind of what's going on here. That went to our more advanced mask technology. Not stunt double masks but masks. That came out of Hollywood came out of their Hollywood. There was man named John Chambers. Who won all kinds of Oscars for makeup and he had done the mass planet of the Apes. We didn't want that. But we were very interested how he fitted those is because the eyes were just right on and they could express emotion in those masks and that was the direction we wanted to head. What we ended up with was something that was actually it was just. It was amazing. They were animated lifelike masks and we create any kind of character over your face. We would fit it to your face but we could also make your face for another person so we could make a twin for you for instance. If we had to view there'd be a donor and there'd be recipient so the case officer would be the donor recipient would be someone about the same bill maybe same same height same weight. Generally we'd put the case officers face on the recipient soon. I had two people that looked strikingly same. And this is what happens in the magic industry out in Hollywood and this. This is what explains a whole lot of tricks. It take place on stage that they're not twins but they're very very similar. They're always women they're always blonde. I don't know it's a thing if you have two people that look a lot alike and you're in Moscow then you can pre-position one of those people who wouldn't be getting huge surveillance because he's not a CIA officer could position him. Maybe in a shop in a cafe somewhere and you could have our case officer come along on foot and he could step into that cafe or whatever it is and come out with maybe menu. Maybe book matches maybe a poster about some music on it. Whatever it is so surveillance. Ccme goes in and he comes right out with something in his hand. That explains why he stepped in that doorway and he goes on down the street. But that's the double that comes out and they follow the double all night long and the real case officer is now without surveillance and can go do the things he needs to do which would be to put down a dead drop to pick something up to put up signal to mail something to make a phone call maybe to meet with someone those things that you cannot do if you have survived that makes sense so if you see me on video doing really bad karaoke it's not me. It's my body double. I'm on a spy mission. For the this is the Dork. They put it in my place right. Yeah Yeah exactly. He looks like he's had too much to drink. You gotTa Work. On your recruiting folks. I think for me if I were in a disguise. I be so paranoid that other people could see it. It would be like that time. I had tried marijuana in college. I'd be like no. I meant a disguise. Everyone knows they can see me. You know I would be weird. I would act weird. You're absolutely right. I mean that's how it is. I remember the first time I put on a disguise. Putting on the disguise isn't the hard part what the hard part is wearing it in public. I went into its backyards. Call seven eleven. I went into a seven eleven in my disguise just kind of browsing and I thought Oh God they're gonNa Think I'm GonNa Steal something. Yeah and you do get paranoid. And that's why when when we were disguising someone for the first time that come in initially and we figure out what we're GONNA DO. And then they go and we have the hair goods made in whatever we're putting together. Then they come back for like a final fitting put everything on Weed. Says if you're okay. Yeah it's uncomfortable. Yeah you think you're GONNA use this. Yeah we take great. Go down to the cafeteria have lunch and then come back. This visit C. I. A. Headquarters where everybody knows everybody in the cafeteria where your office probably has a table where your boss is going to be there where everybody's GonNa be there and they may go and discover that no one paid any attention to them. It's empowering once you get through that you go. Wow I'm hiding in plain sight and no one even knows I'm here. That is so cool and it was only after we went through that process with them that we thought they might use it when they when overseas without that initial exposure they would put it in some sort of a little DOPP kit and put it in the back of their safety for us. Yeah I can see that you have to Kinda be able to go to starbucks grab coffee. Do A walk outside go to the gym to a light workout. Sit around and read drive home and basically forget you have the Dang thing on almost. That's the point you WANNA get. You don't want it to get in the way of whatever you're doing you don't WanNa be distracted because you've got this outfit on You. WanNa be unencumbered. You WanNa be incognito fully aware of what you need to be doing yeah I would imagine you also have to learn how to like eat and drink with fake facial features that don't end up with you dribbling everything down your Chin and not notice you know there are there are limits what you can do. You can't do everything you can. Brief the president of the United States. But it's hard to drink through a straw. It has restrictions but it also has freedom. That's funny I never even thought about that right. You can do all these amazing super complicated things but man if you wanna drink diet coke through the Straw. You are out of luck man. You GotTa wait till you get home. Do we saw live with that. Yeah I think it's a fair trade. We do read about all these old school dead drops. You mentioned a dead drop like fake wooden log that holds messages are used milk carton with fake vomit on it on the ground. I wonder is all this stuff obsolete. Now because of technology and encryption like do we just send them encrypted emails. We're good now or is low tech even more necessary. Now maybe because of advanced electronic surveillance and here we here we go into this hall of Mirrors. I don't know the answer to your question because I'm not there anymore. I don't need to know my common sense would tell me that a lot of this is still used but in a different configuration than what I knew. Otherwise they're not GonNa let me talk about it or write it in my book and by the way just for your peace of mind. They're not gonNA come and get you because every everything that we're talking about is in that book and has been cleared by two years ago. We we never would talk about masks. We never did. We've been gone for a long time. We've never ever mentioned mass all of a sudden. It's okay so it may be that. The form that their masks or their identity transformations may be changing the way they do it. I simply don't know. Yeah that makes sense. I would imagine that. It's not even worth speculating. We're never going to find out so it doesn't matter and even if we did nobody could confirm whether or not we were right around someday. Someone will be arrested somewhere and there'll be something in a paper closely mogo. Oh that's what they're doing right. That makes sense. Yeah that's how we'll find out. How do you evaluate incoming assets or volunteers so the people who work for a foreign government or maybe they're like in the Soviet Union Russian scientists knocks on the window of a car? And you had the story of this guy who kept trying to get people's attention and over and over and over and whoever was getting whoever is being approached by him just kept thinking this guy's obviously kgb. It's so obvious. He's not going to my car window. He's showing up at my door. How do you evaluate these people? How do you know if they're crazy and delusional or if they're the real deal? How do you even begin to test? Someone for that guy that you're describing was it off. Talk fee was probably the most brilliant spy waiver had he was known as the billion dollar spy for value of the intelligence that he gave us back. Then it would be double triple that now. There was a real fear of what we call dangles of double agents being sent to us claiming they wanted to work for us. When in fact they didn't they just wanted to to learn about US SINC- who would meet with them and see what kind of questions we would ask them because that would tell us where the holes were in our intelligence I mean they could by running a a double agent against us they could learn a lot. Tokiwa it took him five. Tries to get through us and it was just almost crazy. Stansfield Turner was the head of CIA back then. He almost shutdown Moscow station. There had been some incidents and he didn't want any more incidents were a lot of reasons. There's James Angleton back at headquarters. He was our counter intelligence person and he was a little over the top on all of that. But what are chief station at? The time finally just decided that we had to meet this man and see what he had. What he had was just pure gold. It was the equivalent of their Pentagon's future plans from radar. This was the beginning of for ground based and airborne Radar Systems. Their new technology that they were going to start producing and they were going to have operational in ten years and we had that information ten years before they built it enough time for the Pentagon to build the countermeasures so by the time it came out we already could defeat. It is amazing. That is amazing. Absolutely amazing and this man was amazing. He was You know he loved his country. It goes back to this thing about Stalin and the purges in his both he and his wife had these terrible stories of what had happened to their parents to their families during the purchase. They could never ever forgive what happened. We offered to exfiltrated Tolkachev. He said No. You didn't want to leave the country. He wanted to help to west work against his country and he was arrested and he was executed. There's a man in the middle name. Try Gone the third case. There are three big cases that we talk about in that book try gone was one of the few who asked for an l. pill he was a really valuable agent he said. I'll work for you on one condition and that is that you give me the ability to take my own life if they arrest me. I don't want them to be able to do what they're gonNA do. And they're all these terrible rumors about what they were going to do. He knew that execution would certainly be part of it but the question was how will they do? It and the rumors were they. Were feeding people into these crematoriums feet first alive so nobody knew if that was true but he was hedging his bet and he said if if they arrest me. I want to be able to make the decision myself. So they arrested him of intially. Everybody eventually got arrested. They stripped him down to his briefs in this room and they took every piece of equipment had with him and they said we want you to write your confession and he said well comrades I will write my confession but I wanNA ride it with my mom blog pin over there on that table with my clothes and everything else so they brought him his mom lockton and we had put that El Paso. We gave him in the cap of the mobile pin with milled. It out so that it was just paper-thin that cap and he knew where it was and he bit down on it. He took the pen and he just put it in his mouth and bit down on it. It was cyanide the Russians in their report to their supervisor said he was dead before he hit the floor which is the way he wanted. It took the one that gave us the information on radar he was the other one wanted. L. Pill there's only two cases I ever knew of where they ask for it and they both had to fight to get it. We didn't WANNA be giving out. Suicide tells anybody but if that was the last straw we would do. Tokyo had one of those pills but it wasn't with him when he was arrested with home in his desk. He didn't never with him so he can use it. That's horrible I know it's straight out of James Bond like this is dark and I'm not trying to make light of somebody having to take their own life but if that's the first time this type of thing was used this is kind of like the. Oh Jeez suicide pill story right. I mean you see it in spy movies. It's a cliche now like you have this suicide device of the suicide pill on a necklace or something like that. Is that where this comes from? I think this probably comes out of some sort of a military you know before the CIA there was O. S. before says there were even some earlier forms of intelligence agencies turned into the CIA. But I think during a were probably it came out of that kind of climate. You're listening to the Jordan Harbinger show. We'll be right back after this. 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Covert well stealing documents and taking photos of them and delivering them. I can't fly me to the United States from Moscow. Trained me for two months and then plot me back at work. So how does it work? It's actually very simple. If you have a real operation you have someone who has access to the information and is willing to work with us. We have a case officer. There is going to run it out of some situation. That foreign agent should not have surveillance if he has surveillance. You don't have an operation. He has to be just a member of the the masses wherever he's working he's working in an aeronautical company if he's working in a chemistry fees working at the nuclear plant wherever he's working he has to be he will be just a normal guy who goes to work every day. No one will follow him. He's not suspicious if he suspicious. You don't really have an operation. So that's all set up when you do the recruiting when you find the person that you think can give you the information that willing to give it to you and they have access to it and they can do it in a way that is not alerting and they can use my little tiny cameras so that they won't be seen taking photographs. They won't be fingered that way. You set it up to protect that foreigner and let him get the information that we want and then the risk is the American going to meet with him because the American will have surveillance not the foreigner. The way the found out is if we lead them if we leave lead surveillance to them and that's where all these tricks about disguise identity transfer and pop-up dummies in cars. And all of that technology comes in to keep the KGB from following our case officer to meet with the agent and for ten years we would not meet with an agent in Moscow. It was too dangerous no matter what we did. We didn't think that we could guarantee that we wouldn't somehow tip them off to who the Russian was. That was working for us so we didn't meet them face to face. We did it all with drugs. We would take our tasking. Memorandum are letter. Whatever form took it might be on film? We would conceal it and you mentioned a couple of them we conceal it in a fake brick or a fake rock or a fake tree limb or crushed. Ken Or an old glove from a construction site covered with grease or like. You said my favorite The milk carton vomit on the outside or a dead rat those were concealment devices made so that we could put them down in a very particular place and the foreign agent newer. That place was and then we will do that. We would place it say by telephone pole. We had to get away from surveillance in order to even do that. We had absolutely no that. We did not have surveillance when we put that thing down by the telephone pole and then we had to go and put up a signal a particular signal. That might be a chalk market. Might be lipstick scratched on something. It could be Take many forms and the signal would mean. 'cause agent would walk by that site every day or drive by Santa Mailbox. The agreed upon place for the signal is on. The mailbox would drive by everyday dry by that mailbox on his way to work. In one day he'd see a white stripe on it He'd know they put something down for me. And I know it's GonNa be by that tree. Saw Go get it. And then after he picks it up then he has to put a signal up somewhere where we drive by. That means I got it. It's not line out there in the open anymore. I got it. This is what if you can't meet with him face to face. This is what it turns into and it's tedious in. Its very carefully done because if you make a mistake I mean it's a big mistake can add the the amount of pressure. These people are in your under pressure with these people are under absolutely insane amounts of pressure. I know you had the car. The pop up doll. I guess you would say in the car to make it look like somebody still in the car when they weren't it. Sounds like the singing mannequins at chucky cheese. You remember those now. Maybe we're a different generation. Maybe like you. Maybe you've seen so these mannequins that would be in a rock band and they could kind of talk and move around and obviously someone was controlling them and they had little cameras in them. This is like in the eighties. It sounds like this sort of automated people and they look kind of real. Especially if you're not right next to it and I know originally started using. What was it like sex dolls and inflating them using gas canisters concealed in briefcases. The pop-up Silhouette. That's what it was called right. Yeah and the book was Tony Story. He was He was somewhere in the Middle East finishing something and he's sitting outside having a beer with friend and they said we need you know for car surveillance. We need a new idea. And they came up with this idea of pub Demi and they called it a Jack in the box. Gibb and initially. It was the sexiest that I'd never heard of so somebody walked through. They said a cable back home to headquarters instead we need. We need about a dozen of these things and so two of our little young engineers with their high water pants in there all the pins in their pockets and you know kind of dirty little guys it down to. Al's magic shop down by the White House and they bought a dozen six dollars and they came back. They said don't ever send a surrogate. Yeah I have a good news of a punch card in the next one is free. Please don't make me go back there. That is the best. Well that's what they started with Gas Inflated. They thought they had something put them in briefcases. One of them was being tested behind the Iron Curtain. More saw it was by one of the wives just to see because the driver of the car would deploy. This was a pop-up dummy which started out in a briefcase on the floorboard the case would step out of the car to wife would hit a button or the driver would hit a button. This dummy would pop up wearing the WIG. Wearing the same clothes is the guy that had just left trailing surveillance would come around the corner still people in the car and they can follow that Carl night they never knew this was always one the goals they should not know 'cause then they ever figured out. They think they goofed up. That you escaped but it was their fault what we always wanted to happen anyway when she was that the gas came out of the canisters. It was so cold because of the compression that it froze the plastic sex doll and she exploded and the wife evidently just freaked so we went out to Hollywood to our Magic People. And we said is better way to do this in. Oh there was such a better way to do it. In the book the first deployment of the first operational deployment was in a birthday cake. The chief of station was driving. The passenger needed to get out of the car. Chief stations wife was in the back seat and the birthday cake was in the backseat. So when the person stepped out of the car the cake went on the passenger seat. Somebody hit the button. The dummy popped up. It was perfect. It worked really. Well I mean they they are behind you. They don't drive up next to you in period. They're being a little discreet. You know they're there and they know you know they're they're but they're not gonNA come up way that you through the window or anything but the head on that dummy turned so it could turn to the driver and then it could turn and look out. The passenger window was fairly realistic. That's how Ed Howard who is one of our huge traders at CIA. He gave away all our secrets and then he fled to Russia years ago. That's how he escaped. He went to his local hardware store and bought the supplies to make homemade Jack in the box. He used a plunger like us with toilet. He used a styrofoam head that we used as a wig block. He put his wig that we gave him on it. He put his Safari Jacket that he always wore on it any fool the FBI and Santa Fe and escaped to Moscow where he lived the rest of his life. I always wonder if people like that who went behind the Iron Curtain. Got There and after a few months where like Oh shit. This was not a good move. You hope that don't you? Yeah totally because you'd think like wow. You cost a lot of innocent people their lives and in exchange for what like not a whole lot. You don't see a whole lot of people fleeing to North Korea across the DMZ right for example. Yes that's absolutely true. So yeah who knows. I'm always so curious it's like I've I've made this call out on this show before if anybody knows any. Americans who defected to the Soviet Union in the eighties? I'm dying to talk to them because I'm so curious. You know what they think and now they can probably speak a little more freely. I'd love to hear balanced version of that. Besides the one I built in my head. Which is that. They regret it right. I don't follow snow. I know he pops up on screens. He's he talks. I'd really be interested to know how es feeling about his decision share. If I were him I think I would be pretty worried to say anything. Because if they decide he can't live there anymore. He's in even deeper trouble and he's already in the amount of pressure. These these assets are under. Though is beyond stressful. The guy was at Tokyo. Chevy put the cyanide pill under his tongue every time his boss said can you come to my because he thought he was going to get arrested and he burned like hundreds of thousands of dollars because he thought. Oh they're gonNA find this evidence in it just turned out to be a false alarm which is like setting millions of dollars on fire when you make two hundred dollars a month or something and the Soviet Union. Yes yeah yeah not. Everybody can handle that kind of pressure and these guys that were doing. They knew there were consequences that they were caught. They knew consequence was and you know the other thing is that they typically their families didn't know what they were doing. It couldn't trust them with not that the families would rat them out but that the families might slip up and somehow make a mistake and so most of the people that worked for us like this were on their own. They were doing this completely separate from the real lives. This was just a category of work that no one knew about but the CIA. And there's I don't have a copy of the book with me now because I gave it to someone this morning. There's a comment from China Hassle in the book she's the current head of CIA and she's talking about how the CIA is the keeper of Human Intelligence source that means people people and that no technology can replace these people and they need to be met and they need to be reassured and they need to look you into the eye and be told how important what they're doing it and that it's worth the risk that they're taking and she kind of pulls that out of the air and says it you can't do this job without without the human beings that are willing to take these risks. It's absolutely true. I'm confused though he isn't he? There was something where he was supposed to fill but his wife was too large that he was worried. She couldn't fit into the plane. Is that what I understood? That's what he said. I think that he just didn't want to leave. You don't want to stereotype. But mostly they did not wanNA leave. They'd rather take a chance then leave but he did say that his wife was too well. Yeah I never saw picture of her so I don't know but then there was one of the case just real quickly in the book where an author here back here in the states had written a book that head. I don't know if he meant to but he had identified one of our Russian sources who was no longer working for us no longer doing what he did but it was very clear to anyone who read the book and our Chief of station in Moscow decided that we had to alert this guy and offer to move. We were always ready to move them. We actually had document packages for all of these people. Ready passports everything. They'd need to get out of the country but our chief of station couldn't get rid of surveillance that he wasn't a man who was out on the street a lot so he he was maybe not as clever working the surveillance thing he wanted to go meet the Russian and say your life is in danger. This book has been published. We couldn't stop this book. It's going to be out. They're gonNA come and get you they're gonNA execute you so he was trying to get to the door to knock on the door. He couldn't get out of the embassy but my husband had been there about a year before had left behind. A contingency disguise is called the carol disguise because there was a woman in the embassy had nothing to do with us who liked to ice skate and she had this distinctive big blond hair. Kind of Dolly Parton hair and so the way we got to that agent to warn him was our chief of station dressed up like a woman. This is a real man. Who did this put on? The dress got carols ice skates. Put them in his lap. Put on Carroll's Wig Gut Carols has been to drive sing carols car. They drive through the gate to the embassy to go out. These people that were never followed. Because they weren't out they couldn't be spies sore achieve of station dressed up as a woman win. Ended up knocking on the guy's door and say you know there's nothing we can do except we can rescue you right now. You want to go. The Guy Said No. I'll take my chances. And he stayed and because he was a war hero and very celebrated war hero in Russia. They didn't kill him so he a good ending is one of the few has one of the few good endings so he was so decorated that if it came out he was the spy. It would've just been damaging to the country's morale like well if he's by maybe. This place is going to Helena handbasket. That kind of I think it's that kind of thing I think that's what it was. But he knew or he thought he knew he said. Thank you actually. He said some things that were really profane but they were just heat of the moment. No way in Hell GonNa leave the motherland. Wow I mean those guys have brass balls you all do honestly like it's really reading the book. You're like Oh gosh what's going to happen next. Please don't kill to He got killed. You know it's really upsetting in the risk level is so high even like you said before you don't even meet these agents for years and years and years because it's too dangerous to do. There was one situation in which I think the guy had done something with the wax of the ink and he had spilled a decoder Stefan it and it obscured the message. Would Have you destroy the coded message. What do you do? You have to explain in the next drop like hey sorry war hog seven. Hq spilled coffee over that thing. You just risked your life to give us. Can you just make another one and drop it off real quick? What can you even do? I think that was the Harry's moment in the book that was an operation that my husband was. He happened to be in station. When that happened. This message came in the message was the agent had prepared the message. Wrong hit used. It sounds ridiculous. He used the wrong kind of paper he used paper with it. Had A wax like butcherblock. What's your paper butcher? Might put some meat in it. So it's waterproof. That's not what you're supposed to do. He had written it in cursive instead of block. Letters cursive is harder to read. If you're doing secret writing hit just sent this message. And when they went to develop it Secret writing and it's not lemon juice in heat or is very sophisticated system but the developer had alcohol in it. So what you take the letter. And you basically floated in a tray of liquid that has alcohol in it that and only that will develop the message so the man that's developing it not my husband but another man he puts it in the tray. And you do it by inspection. You Watch it. And he's looking any. He sees the message he sees it. Come up it's just like developing photograph. So he can see the messages all in Russian. He can't read it but he can see it and he goes to pull it out of the liquid and the letters just float off the page and dissolve and it was a nightmare because this particular message was so important this manages come into country and it was the one chance and we meet him or not. Is he going to meet with US or not? There's a lot of agents you meet them outside of the country and they're like Oh sure yes. I'll work for you I would do. This is not a problem and when they get back to Russia and they around they go well. I don't know this look pretty dangerous. So we're we're never really sure if they're gonNA show up once. They return to their country but his message. They worked night and day to develop that message. They used photography. They pulled out all the old writing in his file compared it to little shreds that were left and put together a what they thought was a message but still in Russian. It was my husband working on this so he didn't know what it said. He didn't even said anything. If these were really letters and the chief of station came in leaned over and locked in it said I will meet you and it was. You know. Big Cheers all around. He was gonNA make that meeting. He was going to work with US and he turned out to be. That was the agent that bit down on. The lethal pill eventually killed himself but in between the letter and the lethal pill gave some amazing amazing intelligence. I can only imagine just the level of risk. You wouldn't do it for money you'd Think Anyway. I guess some people do but there's just seems like there has to be more to it and even when people betray their country like when we look at some of the leaks from the United States when they finally do get caught and go to prison. It's almost always like revenge. Ego Vanity rarely is it just purely financial motivated. There's always Ego In there somewhere one way or another. It's always part of it alre ashamed. When he betrayed the United States it was mostly money Bob Hansen when he retrieved United States was mostly Eagle and these Russians. When they they come out the come up to us for ideological reasons but then when you talk to them for a while. Stalin like I said stolen always comes up. There's a history always. I don't think there was anyone in Russia that wasn't touched by Stalin whose family wasn't touched by Stalin. And it's a mark that another it'll ever go away it's like it's like the. Holocaust people now are still alive. But there's GonNa be people who've never met. The people that went through that that are going to have that. Imprinted becomes part of the family legacy in history that gets passed all the way down like. Where did we come from? Oh we don't know because Stalin murdered everyone in our family and then moved us to the middle of nowhere and here we are. And that's where grandma and Grandpa were born like that kind of thing. I heard that you used to use handwriting analysis. Is that even real? It sounds like such pseudoscientific Baloney honestly because we use it as pseudoscientific Baloney here in the states. It's got a long history in Europe. It respected I years and years ago when I first went to Europe before I even knew what was that it existed. I was working for Chase Bank in Frankfurt and as part of my application I gave them a page of handwriting. It was part of the process. Our handwriting analysis was put together by a European woman who was very well respected in Europe. There's nothing casual about. Her approach was a series of measurements. It was very scientific approach. We used it extensively with our agents. We would have them write some their messages. We would send them for analysis. This was all in a computer to this. Wasn't really eyeballing it so much as you were using the computer but we would discover that people were sick we would discover the people relying I mean. That was our first indication. And then you go explore that and find out. Oh yeah they are sick. Oh yeah they are lying. We discovered that combining handwriting analysis and polygraph and there was a personality sort of tests that we will give psychological assessment test. We will give to our agents and if you had those three pieces of information you had a pretty good handle on who you're dealing with very useful with. This has been very enlightening and I'm very thankful for your time. There's one last little bit. Nobody can really settle this and I don't even know if we'll get an answer today but I was talking with a friend who is also really interested in espionage and things like that he'd said well you know I heard that since there were so many leaks back and forth between the CIA and the KGB. Everything just kind of evened out so maybe the whole thing was awash which. I think is kind of ridiculous. His argument was there's no point in even doing it because everything even now but obviously if one side is doing it the other side's not then that wouldn't end up like that. But what do you think from being on the inside? Are you able to sort of see any sort of scoreboard go? We definitely got one over on them in the end or is it actually kind of six of one half dozen other. I don't know that it's about getting one over on them. But it's about Did we receive any USABLE INTELLIGENCE? Any actionable intelligence. Did we learn anything that made a difference? There was a Cold War conference held at Texas. Am George Bush's university some years ago? Maybe it was twenty years ago and the question was who won the Cold War and we had all kinds of scholars and we had lots of different intelligence people and we had only Kaluga at the very end we only colluded on stage with the CIA officer named Paul Redmond. It was just two people like everybody else had made their made their cases. Now we're down to two people. Paul Redmond was chief accountant. Intelligence and only collusion was an ex. Kgb General so the question was who won at the end of the conference just kept boiling down boiling down and finally Kaluga NSAID. I would say that. For every penetration we had of American intelligence. You had five of ours so five to one and their silence because everybody. That room is thinking. Yeah but you killed them all all James gave them to you about a dozen and you wipe them all out. You killed them all so that score five to one didn't really make any sense if they were all executed so you know it just goes on and on. We had a great run back then. We had mazing intelligence coming in. Did make a difference. What Tolkachev gave us with three weapons programs made huge difference. What try gone gave us was the bottom line for the soviets an assault to talks. He told us where they were willing to go and wouldn't go any further so we went into negotiations with the Soviets about strategic arms limitations knowing their position before we've walked in the room things like that. Do make a difference. They do Jonah. Thank you so much this is fascinating and I really appreciate you doing the very sore throat I know what that's like from personal experience and I really just want to say thank you so much. This is a really good interview. I must say I'm just really impressed. With what a nice interview you do not Nice Nice. It's the wrong word very intelligent very informed. Very I really like doing this. Yeah this is fun. I've wished we could have done it in person but it was that or wait for three years when I whenever we're in the same neighborhood so I chose this. I think this was good. Great big thank you to John. M Dez the book title. Is the Moscow rules the secrets CIA tactics? That helped America win the Cold War. There's actually an exhibit on John at the international spy museum in Washington DC. I definitely plan on going to that spy museum by the way if anyone's been there let me know how that is. It sounds amazing. She told me off air that they actually brought babies on surveillance operations because babies are not suspicious. And it's funny because that sounds so obvious but again we're playing unconscious bias. If I'm looking for somebody who might be suspicious? The woman with a baby is not high on my list right. It's just really not. Oh you're out for a random walk in a random place. We have a baby. You're probably tired and you're trying to get the baby to sleep like that would never occur to me. Even if I were looking for it she also told me they had to disguise vehicles so they had a fake. Tony's pizza surveillance van which now of course we've seen that in every spy movies but back then. That was pretty novel. She actually took the sign from the van home when she retired. Which I can. I can assume it's either in the garage or maybe in an office somewhere. But that's Pretty Rad. Other uses of his guys. That didn't make it on the show. They used to dress up. Some agents like embassy wives and drove them past security or they would clone the intelligence agent. Have the agent drive out past security. And then just sit at a cafe somewhere while the actual operative was somewhere else doing some things so this is really cool stuff the whole cloning people and just kind of sitting there at your local cafe having a cup of coffee. Because you know that that person's being watched but the other person was actually up to something who was the real version of that person was out there doing their thing so really really cool. The security box with police outside the embassy especially in the Soviet Union was often to monitor coming and going not necessarily to keep the embassy itself safe and it's amazing how bad things got over in Moscow for the CIA. At one point. They had no foreign or Russian employees to drive cars. Build offices do anything? They fired all the Russian staff because they were nearly all KGB informants or agents and just really had to go back to the stone age reason ballpoint pens to write and legal pads because they couldn't use typewriters because the typewriters were bugged they were flying memos to Germany to be typed up and sent back to the states. Pens would freeze because it was so damn cold when they had the temporary office space because the other embassy got caught on fire that was a whole story with fakes firemen coming in that were KGB firemen. Just an unbelievable tale so they're working outside and like thirty below zero weather the Penza freezing just bonkers talk about a rough assignment. They've really invented cool stuff even vans that let other cars drive into them using a ramp so they could be concealed. It's straight out of spy hunter. 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Ep. 923 - Welcome To 2020!

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Ep. 923 - Welcome To 2020!

"Iranian forces attacked the American embassy in Iraq anti Semitic attacks become commonplace in New York. City and Democrats. Continue to push impeachment. Happy New Year. I'm Ben Shapiro. This is the Ben Shapiro. Show the Ben Shapiro. Show is sponsored by express. VPN Protect Your online privacy today and expressed breasts VPN dot com slash. Great thing to do in the New Year. Well Happy New Year to Y'all hope you had a wonderful vacation if you're able to take vacation. I hope that you had a wonderful Christmas. Great Hanukkah Happy New Year. And we're back and you know what that means. It's time for an international emergency so over Iraq. Things have been degrading and degrading fairly quickly. That is because the government Chirac has always been torn between the sectarian divide Sunni and Shia. This has been true for a very long time. In the aftermath of Saddam Hussein's fall and the disbanding of the the Iraqi military. Sectarian violence obviously started to take root in Iraq. In recent years there was an attempt by the United States to help bring together a government that would both fight off isis and that would resist just Iran that has proved to be harder than expected simply because Iran's influence in the region has tremendously tremendously grown. And that is in large part. Thanks to the fact that the Obama Administration decided to basically basically make room for the Iranians. And now you're saying all these members of the media all these members of the left who are suggesting that it's president trump's fault that Iranian terrorists attempted to storm the US embassy over the last three or four days. They're trying to suggest that this is because of trump's harsh policy on Iran. No this is because when you appease a power Iran their power grows and they are able to stage events like this one and this is two very different views a foreign policy. And it's something that we ought to take note because there is this tendency inside the right to be isolationist Sionist as well and these views of foreign policy one suggests that the role of the United States in the world should be basically. We stay within our own borders. We wait to be hit if we are hit. Then we lash out and sort of quick fashion and then retreat back inside our own borders and that the outside world has nothing to do with us and this was America's foreign policy for large swaths of time up until the beginning of the twentieth century essentially. And then there's the other view which that the world has become a very very small place and what that means. Is that when things happen abroad. Eventually they are going to end end up as being threats to the United States and so one of the goals of the US military one of the goals of American foreign policy is to quash threats before they occur. It's to make sure that we can minimize the possibility ability of risk growing and so to take an example. There are two views that were prevalent in the United States in the nineteen thirties. In the lead up to world and this is none of this has meant to suggest that we're about to go to war with Ron which we are not okay but there are two views in the nineteen thirties in the lead up to World War. Two view number one was the old sort of isolationist and this was predominant in the United States it was the view of of the of the Republican Party was the view of populace Father Coughlin. It was the view of many people who suggested that the United States basically had no role in the world if there was chaos over in Europe. Well that was a that. Was the Europe problem. If there is chaos over between Japan and China that was really a Japan and China problem. It wasn't really a US problem. And then that problem started to arrive on America's front doorstep and back doorstep as it turns out and then Pearl Harbor Habits. Now what what's interesting about the reaction of the United States to Pearl Harbor's. Where's that we immediately got our backup? We recognize that our role in the world had to change. Because the fact is this the United States pretty easily could come to some sort of accommodation with the Japanese that would have allowed them mm to maximize the regional power even after Pearl Harbor and in fact it's possible. That's what the Japanese government thought was going to happen is that the United States was not going to go to full-scale war with Japan Japan even after Pearl Harbor because `isolation sentiment was so strong and so they felt like okay. Well if we hit them then maybe they'll back off again. That's not what happened. The United States got its backup and instead the United Sates ends up defeating Japan and occupied Japan for the next eighty years. The United States does the same thing with regard to Germany. The America America's role in the world fundamentally changes because we recognize after World War. Two that there is no more of this. We can retreat within our borders and everybody will leave us alone. Well that has only become worse overtime and every so often reminded of this nine eleven when we were reminded that we can leave the Middle East alone we can basically have a light footprint in the Middle East we can say that that region of the world has not much to do with us and that will not stop terrorists from hating us and wanting to attack us in wanting to kill American citizens and again. There are two ways of viewing America's military response to events like this one is the aftermath of Pearl Harbor which killed on the order of of two thousand Americans than the aftermath of Pearl Harbor. America then entered a war in which two hundred thousand American were killed right in in World War Two was that a disproportionate response in some ways. I think there are some isolationists would ard yes. Pat Buchanan for for example has sort of argued yes. The same thing has happened in the aftermath of nine eleven. There's the the argument that was made that they yes. They killed three thousand of our citizens. But then we've been involved in worse than killed more American troops that more American troops have died in those worth but this fundamentally we miss states the role of the American military and the role of America in the world and that is the American military people sign up. It's particularly now it's a volunteer. Military are heroes who are signing up to defend America's freedom they're not not signing up in order to be paid to sit at a base in Georgia or that that is not why they sign up and to treat them as children treat. Our soldiers left likes to do As sort of pawns and political games where anytime somebody says. We need to US troops to defend our embassy in Baghdad for example then less as well. How many troops are you willing to put risk? Listen isn't that's a fine question but it's not a question if you do it every single time. We talk about using military force in defense of American assets abroad. So we have to decide is what we want. America's role in the world to be and also we have to be realistic about the fact that if America retreats from certain areas of the world other forces takeover if Iran takes over Iraq frontex over Syria Iran on six over Lebanon of FRONTEX over Yemen. That has significant ramifications for America's foreign policy not just in terms of the economy and shutting down the stretch for Moose but in in terms of actual security policy. The fact is the Iranian. Government is the chief sponsor of worldwide terror on planet earth. Right now if Iranians take over the region that maximizes Russian and aggression Russian power which has ramifications for Europe if the Chinese are working with the Russians and with the Iranians that it maximizes Chinese power at the expense of American power in the World No economics not zero sum game but foreign policy to a certain extent is in fact zero sum game and when America pulls back it is not that this becomes a vacuum and it's that that vacuum is very it quickly filled so they're going to be people who today tomorrow as we come back into the new year. Argue that all of this is happening in Iraq because the United States ought to take more isolationist salaciousness view toward the world. That all this happened with guard to China and Russia if we just leave them alone they'll leave us alone but that is not the reality. The reality is that if we leave all the stuff alone. Oh we are doing. Doing is emboldening America's enemies to grow stronger and then when conflict does occur. We are facing down a much stronger. Enemy they right now one of the things that that is occurring from from from sort of the old Obama acolytes. They're saying well if we had just left Iran alone and we just continued to pay off. Ron will then. Iran wouldn't violent right now with America now first of all. It's not true true. I mean Iran is responsible for the deaths of literally. Thousands of American service. People in Iraq is so so the Iranians have not been our friend for for quite a while going all the way back to the malls in nineteen seventy nine. But there's this case that's being made by the Obama contention that if we paid them off everything would have been fine and it's trump's harsh stand against the Iranians that is causing them to get violent. Okay go back to nineteen. I'm forty and the immune accords and think to yourself. Nineteen thirty nine in the Munich accords. Thirty eight thirty eight Dominican dollars and think to yourself what what would have happened. After the Munich accords. But before Hitler violates the Munich accords Churchill was elected and then Churchill's takes very strong stand. And then Hitler starts attacking the countries surrounding around him. Isn't it true that people on the left within have blamed Churchill and his strong stand against the Germans for provoking appeasement. Looks good until the point at which the appeaser is stepped on. The problem is if people foresee that and they let somebody who's no longer going to appease it's easy for people on the left and for `isolation is to due to suggest that it's the intransigence of strong willed people standing up against evil that is the cause of the evil being evil and that's never true. The Iranian government has been evil for forty years. In the the German government was evil before Churchill was elected and before Churchill took over and the governor and the Chamberlain government collapsed. You'd evil doesn't need an excuse to be able can we'll get into what's actually occurring here and why president trump is doing the right thing in Iran and what foreign policy ought to look like. They're nobody is calling for over at war. I will say this one thousand times today day. No one wants war with Ron. No one wants in open conflict with Iran. There are things we can do short of that open conflict to stop them from pursuing this aggressive policy in the region and putting more Americans risk and creating a stronger Iran to be used against their own citizens and more importantly against America's other allies around the Middle East in America herself. We'll get to to that in just one second. I let us talk about something that you need going into the new year. The thing you need to you need to be comfortable down below here. Let's face it we're going into the new year I know it's the most depressing day of the day after New Year. You've got all your resolutions in order and you know you're gonNA fail but one thing is for certain you need to be comfortable where it counts and this is why you require Tommy. John Tommy. John obsesses over every little detail and stitch by using proprietary fabrics. That perform like nothing. You've ever worn before as a result Tommy. John's men's and women's underwear sport. 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Okay so here is the actual latest from what is happening over in Baghdad. According to The New York Times as of last night after a second day of tense protests at the American embassy in Baghdad thousands of Pro Iranian demonstrators dispersed on Wednesday. It demonstrators is code for many of these people are terrorists that literally terrorist. I group called US Blah which has outlets. This is sort of the Iraqi outlet. There's the Iraqi outlet of color sponsored by the Iranian could force which is a wing of their Revolutionary Guard. Kabila has thousands of rockets pointed at Israel and Lebanon. CUSS BLAH has a significant role in the conflict in Syria because Blah is one of the worst terrorist groups on the planet it is labeled as such by the American State Department in by an increasing number of European countries and if the Europeans label some somebody from the from the Middle East a terrorist. Then it's a fairly good shot that international terrorist group a after the second day of tense protests at the American embassy in Baghdad. Thousands of Pro Russian demonstrators dispersed on Wednesday ending us. Each that had trapped American can diplomats in the embassy compound overnight winding down a potentially explosive crisis for the trump administration. The demonstrators had swarmed outside the embassy chanting death to America. The The New York Times by the way originally termed these people mortars which shows you where their heads are at what exactly were they supposedly mourning. They were mourning. The fact that the United States had attacked act COSBY LA encampments in Syria and Iraq. Because these are places from which COUPLA fighters had been going out and trying to kill Americans and American allies in contrast Tuesday day when some demonstrators forced their way into the compound and said some of the outbuildings on Friday right demonstrators demonstrators. Don't break into embassies and set things on fire. Those are called terrorists. The crowd on Wednesday was smaller. No protesters breached the compounds gates. When the demonstrators largely members of Iranian back militias angered by deadly American airstrikes? Over the weekend. I do love it when they suggest that they are angered by deadly American air strikes. You know until then there were nice guys but then it was that the United States attacks and terror basis and then they're like oh man. I'm so so pissed off until this I was just like. You're nice normal terrorist. I wasn't GonNa let go burn an embassy or something but now that you killed by terrorist friends now. I'm like a super really giant angry terrorist terrorist amicable burn crap alternatively these terrorists who are looking for an excuse to go and do something bad and so they stormed the embassy the walls the embassy and this force Americans inside the embassy. The American military to fire tear gas into the crowd when the demonstrators reached the roof of the burn reception building on Wednesday American security forces including Marine reinforcements sent by the Pentagon the day before fired tear gas to drive them back. And you can see from the video. I mean these are people. Arriving with battering rams and weapons were all females remedies. These are demonstrators. Have you seen a single female. Why is it that these are all military age males were carrying Hezbollah flags? Could it be that. They are actually terrorists terrace and so sick of the media covering terrorism pretending they're just demonstrators it's insane the full withdrawal came after leaders of the Iranian backed militias who had organized the demonstration called on the crowd to leave and most gradually drifted away on foot or drove off in trucks leaders later announced that their agreements withdraws conditioned on a commitment from Iraq's prime minister Abu Mahdi to per to move ahead with legislation to force American troops to withdraw from Iraq Samadi had been protested by thousands of Iraqi citizens who said that he's enthralled to the Iranians now bodies caught between a couple couple of between a rock and a hard place basically a large part of his country is she a huge percentage of the parliament is Shia many members the government are Shia many of them are in thrall to Iran meanwhile here's a vast Sunni population as well the Shia want the Americans to leave the Doron can help overrun Iraq the Sunnis want the Americans to stay so that America can help protect them against the Iranians. Now if you're American you're going. What role do we have in all of this? While the role is to basically keep the peace in the region need to keep the pieces because if the Iranians overrun Iraq and they've now run all territory between Afghanistan and the and the coast of Mediterranean Sea. And they they now run everything basically ranging all the way as far east as parts of Afghanistan and then all the way as far west as Lebanon and as far South Yemen and by working in coordination with the Russians and the Chinese. So if you worry about America's place in the world about foreign pas about the possibility of a major war breaking out here's the thing war breaks out for a variety of reasons but one of those reasons is when your enemies think they are stronger than in you and they take advantage of that strength right now. America's enemies recognized that America does not want to go to war with anybody and so they're pushing the borders and they're pushing. This is what Putin has been undoing. He did it in Crimea. He did it in Georgia. He's been pushing consistently the Iranians pushing consistently the Chinese are pushing consistency consistently. They're basically using the old stalinesque tactic of push. Where it's Mush ran a push until until the much stops basically? Well the question is when is America's back going to get up with all this president. Trump is saying right now like this bleep ends right now. Iran's ability to malicious to blockade American diplomats inside the embassy for most first of two days may clear how much power they will within the Iraqi government according to the American government the Iraqi government didn't do enough at the very beginning to defend America's embassy in Iraq that sovereign American territory according according to the New York Times despite a sixteen year American effort to establish a government friendlier to Western interests at a cost more than one trillion dollars in five thousand American lives Iraq's leaders lined up in opposition to the American airstrikes airstrikes and its security forces allowed the militias to reach the American diplomatic compound. Okay that is not because the government is anti-american it's because the government is in thrall all to the Iranians and that is because America has lessened its footprints in Iraq. And so if you're in Iraq and you're betting on the future of the country who do you think has more staying power the Iranians or the Americans if America really showed listen. We're not going anywhere. We're going to stay here until this thing is locked down. We're at least going to provide you the help you need and Solis thing is locked down against Iran. Then the Iraqi government would probably be a lot more forthcoming in terms of the resources they provide to the American government. That's what the American government is. Staying is saying it is also true that consistent American unwillingness leanness to confront the Iranian aggression over the past year and a half right the Iranians firing on ships in the Straits of Hormuz Iranians shooting down American drone America. Ah Basically doing very little. It's a passing of sanctions. The Iranians are pushing where they think that. It's much while the Moshe has now ended. 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It's not a threat to brand new. It's not a warning. It's mostly just a note of caution. Okay so we'll get to more than just one second while progress of that in just one second but for President President Trump has now responded to the situation over in Iraq says. Listen this in Benghazi. So the the media immediately start saying well. This is trump's Benghazi. What's it's ironic about this? Is that the same media declared the Benghazi was not a problem in the first place and it kept saying the Obama Administration handled it brilliantly while Barack Obama's partying and people were dying at the Benghazi Ozzie Embassy in Libya in two thousand twelve and Hillary Clinton was lying that she had that she that this was completely unexpected and was a protest that went awry in response to a youtube video when it was in fact act a terrorist salt and that her State Department had turned down security requests right in the media. There's no scandal in Benghazi like none. At all. There was no cover-up there was no scandal. It wasn't Susan Rice and the Obama. I'm administration repeatedly lines to the American people which they did. Well now you've got. MSNBC's joy reed says. This is trump's Benghazi. Well but I thought Obama says he wasn't really a big deal and we had journalists literally making fun of quote Unquote Benghazi Conspiracy theories anyway. DREWERY tweeted out as trump's Benghazi unfolds in Iraq. Okay what okay well. I'm glad to see the guys came around on. Benghazi was a bad thing. So that's exciting. President trump came out. He says this ain't going to be a Benghazi. Guess what I'm not Obama handle. Well the breeds came in. We had some great written warriors. Come in and do offend tastic job. There were there instantaneously soon as we heard I use the word immediately. Came `obediently and It's a great shape. As you know this will not be Benghazi. Benghazi should never have happened. This will never ever be been Ghazi but we have some of our greatest greatest warriors quickly a peace through strength and president trump. Embodying it here. He's apparently thinking about deploying. Four thousand troops to the Middle East. In order to Protect Act America's assets abroad this is in fact the right move a precipitous withdrawal would drive terrorism. It would drive the rise of our enemies again. You will hear calls on the isolationist right for exactly that that sort of withdrawal suggesting that now it'd be a great time to get out well again. That is a that is a short term view. See the Nice thing about being. An isolationist is the counterfactual is always very useful to you because is the fact is most presidents are not willing to let America's assets wither on the vine. They're not willing to America's enemies run roughshod over swaths of the globe and then strengthen rankin themselves so it's easy to point to costs that have already occurred and say those custom have to occur but the counterfactual which is what if America Ju just withdrew and all of these countries got stronger and then started launching terror attacks and started launching economic attacks because that doesn't occur because of actions like president trump's well then that leaves the isolationist us with the argument that the cost that actually were incurred or bad or the counterfactual is always a lot easier than the actual real time cost of things that are being done right now according to Fox News the US Army's he's eighty second airborne divisions alert brigade has been issued orders to deploy rapidly to Kuwait amid the unrest in Baghdad three. US defense officials told Fox News on Tuesday at least seven hundred fifty paratroopers are set. That's it a point to the region immediately. According to Defense Secretary Mark Esper- the Alert Brigade of roughly four thousand paratroopers known as the Division Ready Brigade has been told to prepare air for possible deployment in the days ahead. After hundreds of iranian-backed militiamen tried to storm the US embassy in Baghdad on Tuesday we actually have video of the US helicopters copters arriving the attack helicopters arriving in Baghdad suffice it to say it was shortly thereafter that Dirani malicious at guys. I think maybe we should pull back yet. Yeah no kidding you should pull back because turns out that America are firepower is pretty extraordinary. And that is an American helicopter arriving and saying. Hey Hey guys were here. Just let you know. Mike Pompeo the secretary of state says we're not backing down. We're not going to give in to terrorist demands any plans to evacuate the embassy in Baghdad. Sir none any plans to pull some of the five thousand. US troops in Iraq out. None we put real real pressure on this lawmakers Iran. We will continue to do so. And he saw the president say today we will continue to hold Islam overrun accountable. Wherever we find their malign activity? And we'll make sure we have the resources to do so k now if you're the Iranians all you wanted to maintain the pressure long enough that a Democrat is elected at which point the United States presumably would go back to trying to bribe have the Iranians into what piece into decency. That is the thing that's not going to happen. By the way there are protests against the Iranian influence on the Iraqi government. They're just not being covered by the media. That's another point that Mike Pompeo was making me will mark asper. The Secretary of Defense says the Ron or as proxy forces may be planning further strikes on American interests in the Middle East and the US is prepared. Take preemptive military action if it gets sufficient warning according to Esperer said the game has changed or prepared to do what is necessary to defend our personnel and our interests and our partners is in the region ellison. No one wants full-scale worth Iranians. But you know who doesn't want to full-scale war the most the Iranians because if there's a full scale where the first people dire the Mola's this thing goes to full-scale were the first people who have their heads come right off. Their bodies are the malls in Iran. And they know it so what they're doing right now is they're pushing and they're pushing pushing and they're pressing their own population and they're launching low level terror assaults when they are doing all of this in the hopes that they will drive America out of the Middle East in the same way that the North Vietnamese the ECON- drove the United States out of Vietnam and that allowed for spread of communist tyranny in that region. They're looking for the same thing to happen here. The difference is that president trump is president right now and the chances that he is going to pull out precipitously honestly are extremely extremely low as well. They should be there things. The United States can do beyond economic sanctions by the way and striking terror basis is one of those things hitting eating at Hezbollah is one of those things that can be done with pretty much zero cost from the air which is one of the reasons you saw these demonstrators quote unquote from the New York Times these demonstrators descending on the embassy she is because America did strike a series of terrorist encampments and was very successful the United States does have an interest in ensuring safety and security for America Aca and her allies in her interests in the region. It'll be interesting to see how these arguments play out because trump does have sort of isolationist streak but he has also not somebody who's going to run away from all of this. Meanwhile watching the watching the Obama Administration sycophants like Ben Rhodes come out and talk talk about how terrible trump is is just a reminder. How Awful Obama was? The fact is Iran has been emboldened in the region because of the Obama Administration. Trump tweeted out. This is not a warning. It is a threat happy new a year. Well the bottom line is that what he's doing is going to mean a lot more than what he is saying. Deploying those troops making sure that our our assets are safe and secure over there. All that makes sense. It is worth noting. The Barack Obama welcomed the leader of the US embassy attack to the White House back in two thousand eleven and he was criticized for it at the time because the person was seen as Iranian proxy. Even then okay. 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Great deal from address that is going to give you a heavenly nicely helix sleep dot com slash man. Go Check Mary now can. Meanwhile North Korea is upping the ante as well. No president goes through their first term without being tested a little bit president from strategy. North Korea has been almost precisely the opposite of his strategy. On Ron Ron his Reggiana Ron has been to push the mollusc box them in to cut off their economic lifelines to weaken them from within. That's largely been successful. which is why you are seeing the Iranian government? Lash out in every direction as they desperately attempt to fend off the protests that have been rolling throughout throughout the country for the last what six to nine months in North Korea. The United States has taken the opposite the opposite tack and that has been to try and Woo Kim Jong UN personally have been very critical attack. Thought that if it's been a waste of time North Korea showing each and every day that they're not trustworthy partner. According to to Emily's naughty writing over daily wire North Korea now says it has a new strategic weapon and Kim Jong UN plans to deploy it soon according to the Associated Press North Korea says it has has a new strategic weapon that will stunned the world with shocking action. North Korean dictator Kim Jong employ the weapons soon as we have challenging the US nuclear weapons superiority. Kim I'm John. Era Appears to be using this. As a bargaining chip installed trade talks with the trump administration. This is always the tactic of the North Koreans which is to threaten action. Fire missiles basically fuss. Until you get what you want create a situation and then suggest that it can be resolved only by America cutting check. It has not worked to the benefit of the United States or to the benefit of the people of North Korea for decades. At this point why would work with. Ron is beyond me. The left wants to see the North Korean model applied tour. It's funny to watch the media and all of us because trump is taken this really bifurcated. I forget approach to Iran versus North Korea. They won't endorse either strategies when trump takes this very soft tack with North Korea. which at least it is mildly more justified then it would be with Iran simply because Iran doesn't have nuclear weapons yet? North Korea already does which means that that you have to treat them with a little bit more care than you would would with regard to Iran but when it comes to North Korea. The media's like all look at this trump he's sycophantically kissing ass with North Korea and then when it comes to Iran where where president trump is taking a very harsh line. The why isn't he sycophantically. Kissing ass of the MOAS. Like Barack Obama did guys gotTa pick one treat America's enemies with harshness and it's peace through strength and you set up barriers and rules or it's none of the above you gotTa pick. You can't just randomly suggest that it's good when Barack Obama doesn't but bad one trump does it that's not the way any of this works. The AP reports that that owns says he will soon reveal a new strategic weapon to the world is a bolsters its nuclear deterrent in the face of quote unquote gangster like US pressure. The trump administration has been trying to negotiate with North Korea for years president trump season into deal with communist nation as a potential hallmark of his term. Just a few short years ago from did manage to secure an anti proliferation treaty with North Korea. Halting at the time North Korea's pursuit of nuclear weapons development of ICBM's but North Korea is not actually abided by any of those agreements. President trump dismissed the threatened North Korea. You know we're getting along great. Which of course is not true? Here's president trump saying it. I have a very good relationship with Kim Jong Un. I know he's sending out certain messages about Christmas person. I hope is Christmas. Present is beautiful. Oh boss that's what I'd like a vase as opposed to something else. I don't know I. Luckily he likes be. I like Kim. We get along you the presenting his country representing my country. We have to do we have to do by the way. I just want to know if Kim Jong UN Centro Bavasi Glitz vise is wasted of buzz. Here you need another stupid vas a thousand bucks with asset is is the policy with regard to North Korea. The smartest no but is there a really great policy available with North Korea. The answer of course is no I mean. At the very least North Korea doesn't have regional aspirations northwards at least somewhat made somewhat contained contained. The same is not true of rump. Meanwhile over in New York City attacks on Jews Continue Apace. We saw over the Christmas vacation over the CONACO. The Windsor vacation we saw an attack during Konica at a house. That was next to assure in in Brooklyn it was an attack on on a Emma. SHETTY attack by a guy who'd been let out of jail early yet criminal history and it injured five people including the rabbi of this particular show. This was only the latest in a spate of attacks. There've been a bunch of attacks over the last month over the last several weeks and I mean the you can see we have a mash up of a bunch of videos of the attachment close circuit. TV pretty frightening stuff you can see the. Here's a Ju. Just being chased down in the middle of the street and beaten up Italy held to the ground and punched. You can see the I mean this sort of stuff is happening pretty much every day and it will overtly religious Jews that are being targeted. Disproportionately by people who happen happen to be minority. Doesn't mean that they're doing it because they're minority but it is worthwhile noting. This is one of the reasons media covering it. There's Jewish boy. Walking down the street address man getting walking down the street getting clocked from behind by By young person of color it appears the only reason that race is relevant in. This conversation is because the media specifically only talk about antisemitic attacks when they are white supremacist. The reason they're not talking about these attacks is because they're not against secularized Jews with left-wing values there against religious orthodox Jews in New York City and they are being perpetrated by by members of the intersectional hierarchy that the reason why the media refuses to cover all of this. The New York Times admitted as much back in two thousand eighteen when they said that even though there was a massive spike in anti Semitic attacks in the city's it's been ongoing for years at this point. They said that they had failed to cover it because quote refuses to conform to an easy narrative with a single ideological enemy. The fact is the media refused to take this stuff seriously specifically because of the nature of the victims religious Jews who do not hold left-wing values and the nature of the victimisers disproportionately young minority males. How's Jake Tapper? got this one right jake. Tapper is on CNN. US Talking. With Barry Weiss Engine Kostin and here's Jake explained correctly that the media response it definitely would have been different if white supremacists had committed this CONACO attack. This is kind of a sensitive question but do you think the reaction by politicians and the media would be any different. If these Lee's recent antisemitic attacks had been committed by white supremacists instead of who they were committed by. I do and the reason for that is because it took cook a man walking in with a machete the size of a broomstick for there to be any public outrage during the holiday of Hanukkah. That of course is true. It is also true that the Jersey City attack disappeared from mainstream newspapers and not only that was covered by mainstream newspapers as a response to gentrification with Jews coming in and offering to buy apartments from black folks in Jersey City. In fact is the media only cover anti Semitism when it is convenient to their narrative but anti-semitism comes from wide variety of sources including disproportionately early in terms of opinion black. Americans are disproportionately smell compared to other racial subgroups of Americans according to the anti-defamation League again only relevant. Because what you are seeing being in New York City is disproportionately tax taking place from members of minority communities. Gay The if if this were white supremacists thing the media would be covering covering it because it is uncomfortable to talk about the fact that there is disproportionate anti-semitism among African Americans in the United States. The media simply refused to cover it. Armin in Rosen wrote for Tablet magazine back in July Twenty Nineteen about Jew Hatred New York correctly noted quote that the victims are most outwardly identifiable. I E religious rather than secularized Jews the perpetrators. Here's who've been recorded on CICI. TV cameras are overwhelmingly black and Hispanic the media therefore does not want to cover all of this because this cuts directly against the supposed alliance of intersection action. -ality in which all minority groups are allied against the white superstructure left. Just ignores the wrong type of anti-semitism and so the same media that will that will derive great joy from suggesting that president trump most pro Israel president in the history of the United States is actually as an anti Semite the same year that will pretend that president trump's executive order for campus designed to protect us in the same way that protects blacks on American campuses are actually smick will will suggest that it is perfectly wrong to cover the fact that Barack Obama sat and Jeremiah Wright's Church for twenty years while Jeremiah Wright's spewed anti-semitism. He did for two decades. We know this Democratic candidates who suggest that trump has emboldened anti-semites will now make pilgrimage. They have been doing this right. You see in the Buddha judge. He made pilgrimage to Al Sharpton. An actual anti Semite who's involved in the incitement allegedly involved involved in the incitement of two separate antisemitic. Riots in New York City and now has shown MSNBC so yes. The identity of the victims matters and sodas the identity of of the victimisers Muslim commentators will police Republicans for mentioning George Soros. So if you say George Soros in a ferry as force in American politics which by the way he is he does some very bad the things in American politics. Then they'll all the Anti Semitism. If you've mentioned George Soros if by the way you mentioned anything about right wing Jewish donors if you mentioned something about about Sheldon Adelson then. Obviously that's not anti-semitic. That's just you critiquing money in politics. But if you about George Soros it's anti Semitic and then they'll just excuse open anti-semitism from Rashida to leave an in Ohio Mar by the way the the statement that I made about disproportionate anti-semitism inside the black community that supported by consistent polling done by the Anti Defamation League every single year. 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CNN's Sam Vinograd blamed president trump for the situation in New York tried to excuse Andrew Andrew Cuomo the governor of New York and Bill De Blasio mayor of New York and she blamed president trump in the process for the fact that Bill Blasios who claimed that there was no antisemitic. Problem like five weeks ago after that Jersey City attack he suggested will now. anti-semitism has reached the doorstep of New York City. No it's been there for a very long time. You just don't care about it because it's coming in a form formed you wish not to recognize Andrew Cuomo who came out and said well this is it has to do with. The general tone and tenor of politics are trying to blame for something happening in his own state. Here's CNN. Tim Vinyl graduating the same thing. We have not seen the. US government addressed the lessons of countering extremism in really strategic way. And I I do not understand why. President trump has the authority and the ability to call together whole of government approach on this issue in his his failed to do so do so concurrently unfortunately really propagating some antisemitic narrative. OCC so you see. Somehow the I guess the people who are beating up juicing Williamsburg are actually trump supporters boarders. Shocker who didn't incoming. I'll be honest with. You really did not see that coming. I'm probably the pair of goons who flashed a knife. According to the New York Post is they yelled. Hey d'you boy at Brooklyn seventeen over the weekend spewing that hate at a seventeen year old victim Walkman avenue owner eighth street. Apparently that was pro- probably that was probably a bunch of white supremacist. By the way not a single incident in New York City has been linked to white supremacy. But obviously this has to do with President trump demonstrating once again that doesn't care about anti-semitism. Depending on the source Jay Michaelson wrote a piece over the daily beast where he tried to explain the left wing. Anti Semitism is basically fine because the reality the left-wing anti-semitism is rooted in reality where right wing white supremacist anti. Semitism is. Rooted voted in mere conspiracy. Theorizing it really this is. This is what this idiot wrote. It's unbelievable he says this combination of baseless hatred. He's talking about the conspiracy. Theorizing theorizing in the in the Jersey City community among some people about Jews selling organs and gentrification he's this combination of baseless hatred and socio economic grievance stands in stark contrast to the word wordy theoretical manifestos of white supremacists Anti Semitism and while some attackers say conspiracy theory. Similar to the ones on the nationalist. Right such as the Blackie Lackey Abreu Israelite doctrines noted above the social context and relationships to power are utterly different while conspiracy mongering exist on the left and the right there is no left wing or African American equivalent. Excellent of president trump was freely treated traded anti Semitic stereotypes sometimes in a joking way after all the notorious Anti Semite Louis Farrakhan may be the leader of the nation of Islam but trump is the leader of the free world and then he just blames trump for all of this literally the Democratic Party this year or last year rather excuse the Anti Semitism of Goma and made them part of the squad and elevated them literally last year people to judge made pilgrimage Towel Sharpton. But don't worry guys there's no anti Semitic problem inside the Democratic Party by the way speaking of things that New York City could do to stop all this. How about you get rid of your idiot bail policy? They've now pushed bail reform in New York City. And it turns out when you don't hold criminals on bail. They go commit crimes who could have predicted such a thing who except for every functional sentient human being with a prefrontal cortex according into the New York. Post smell suspects. Arrested in last week's spree of eight anti Semitic attacks are quickly being released right back into the neighborhoods. They terrorized thanks to bail reform legislation. which doesn't even take effect until January first most reason case of revolving door justice came Saturday morning with the release with no bail of a woman charged with punching and cursing at three Orthodox Women Ages? He's twenty two twenty six and thirty one in Crown Heights Brooklyn at dawn the day before the accused assailant. Tiffany Harris was held in handcuffs before a Brooklyn Judge on twenty one menacing harassment and attempted assault charges. Fu Jews Harris allegedly shouted during the attack. Yes I was there Harris later admitted to the cops yes I slap them. I curse them out. I said F you Jews as she stood before a judge in Brooklyn Criminal Court with a hood to a Navy Blue Jacket over her head. Harris was in familiar territory. She still has an open harassment and assault case on the Brooklyn dock. It from November. Last month she was sentenced to jail. Time for felony criminal. Mischief in Manhattan. She's completely failed to show up for court. Appearances but Brooklyn. Prosecutors didn't even bother requesting bail on on Saturday given that the reform law approved April. Technically doesn't take effect until January. First BLASIO administration has made it clear. We only get in compliance with bail reform. Now they can't even hold these people on bail core committing crimes Harris broke into a grin when approached by reporter. Why do you WanNa know goodbye? She said had absolute insanity absolute insanity but welcome to left wing governance which is ruining major American cities across the country. Meanwhile there there is a there is another act of violence that that took the headlines for five seconds because once again it did not fit the media narrative and that was this attack at a Texas Church that happened over the holidays. What is apparently according to the Wall Street Journal a streaming video of Sunday church service in Texas at which a petitioner done down a shooter is rallying those who support making it easier for private citizens to bear arms gun rights advocates have long argued that more citizens have guns they can defend themselves and others in the event shooting on Sunday morning? Is that last Sunday. A gunman opened fire at West freeway. Church of Christ in white white settlements near Fort Worth. He killed two people before a prisoner. Who's part of a volunteer? Security Force fatally shot him and he can actually see this happen in the video. You can see the shooter. Her who arrives on scene start shooting at people and a bunch of people in the crowd. pull out guns and a security officer puts down the shooter and shoots the shooter. It was amazing. There are people on the left. Were tweeting yeah but the real threat was that there were people in the audience. Who didn't really know what to do with their guns? And we're unlicensed with their guns. That was the real threat. Obviously get this. Let's just say this if that Hanukkah party those attacked by a guy with machete if they'd been anyone anyone there with a gun it wouldn't be five people it would be one terrorist dead. That's what had been happening. What would have been happening? They're everyone who wishes to protect themselves and their communities should become a responsible gun owner should know how to use news coordinate with the authorities. They should they should do all appropriate things to defend themselves by the way speaking of idiocy again. The criminal justice system is broken but not in in terms of keeping people in jail too long all the time sometimes is broken in terms of this revolving door that we have with crime it turns out that the man who fatally shot two people at the white settlement church before being kill by church security was had a long criminal history and was described by. His ex-wife is battling a demon and not nice to anyone. The shooter is identified on Monday morning. By to law enforcement sources this is familiar with the investigation. NBC Five has learned that his criminal past included charges of assault theft arson and possession of an illegal weapon in Texas Oklahoma and New Jersey. What a what a delight A? It's just it's a it's unbelievable you said a revolving criminals. Then you're shocked when turns out that the criminals go and do terrible things things a meanwhile with all of this happening with all this turmoil internationally and domestically the Democrats are focused laser like on impeachment. They continue to move forward with impeachment although Nancy. NC Plus you still has not set forth a timeline as to win. She will convey the impeachment charges to the Senate remember. That impeachment was passed in the House but she is not actually pass that onto the Senate. There's an interesting legal going on right now over whether Mitch McConnell actually needs that there's nothing in the constitution that suggests the Nancy Pelosi number. One is compelled to hand over the impeachment in charges to McConnell. But there's nothing that says that McConnell can't hold a separate trial on the basis of those impeachment charges their public after and then just to quit so there's a debate over whether McConnell should do that right now or whether he just pointed Pelosi and say the reason she's holding his back is because she knows what's going to happen next. Meanwhile Rudy Giuliani continues to militate taste in favor of his own testimony which is presumably. The worst idea. That ever happened is a Mar-a-lago over the weekend suggesting that he would love to testify. which would be the worst possible idea because Rudy Giuliani is Is Not his own witness. Here's Rudy Maxa demonstrations like it so there is explaining that he would love to testify loved testified the Republicans would be fools do that. Meanwhile everybody in the country's countries already broken down into lines on this one. Everybody knows where they stand in the reason they know where the standards because this is not about what trump did or did not do with Ukraine. It is a generalized referendum on trump. Guess what we get to have generalized referendum on trump in just about eleven months here gate is fast approaching the election. Most Americans in the end want this to be decided by the American people they do not want this to be decided by Nancy Pelosi and crew they do not think that whatever the allegations rise to the level of getting rid of a sitting president. The only people who are in favor of all of this are people like Linda Ronstadt at who came out on. CNN and explained to Anderson Cooper who is busy getting brutally drunk on New Year's Eve in just gone wild on New Year's Eve with Andersen go at it confuses me as to why CNN thinks that this is good broadcasting or good idea your news network and you have your anchors making absolute mockeries of themselves on national TV. Do they think that it makes them seem fun. And whereas it make it seem like they might be out of touch with their actual jobs. You always you call yourself the most trusted name in News Inc James Earl Jones to do the voice over and then he got Anderson Cooper Auburn. Don Lemon getting blackout drunk on TV. Anyway here's Linda Ronstadt over the weekend explaining that president trump is the new Hitler. There are a lot of chances as Hitler rose to power that a lot the chances of to stop him and they didn't speak out and the industrial complex that they could control him once they got him in office and of course he was not controllable by the time it got established. He put his own people in place in the stack. The courts did what he had to do to consolidate his power. If you read the history won't be surprised. Exactly the same get you. You can find a common enemy for everybody to hate. When I was sure that trump was going to get elected to the day he announced and I said these? It's going to be like Hitler and the Mexicans or the new Jews News and sure enough. That's what he delivered. You know. The Mexicans are the new Jews really like a huge percentage of the American population is Hispanic. Nobody's being rounded up and putting boxcars ours is his so insulting and so stupid if you feel like this trump is of course. They're pushing for impeachment. Despite the fact they don't actually have the evidence for this. Meanwhile the Democrats are basically hoping that they can peel off a couple full of republican senators to cut against McConnell and drive for a quote unquote more even-handed impeachment effort impeachment trial in in the Senate. It's not really going to happen. Susan and Collins did say that she was open to having witnesses at trial hero. Susan Collins from Maine I am open to win. Says I think it's premature to to decide who should be called until we see the evidence that is presented and get the answers to the questions that we senators can summit through the chief justice to both sides. What I don't understand is why the house having issued subpoenas to Secretary Repond Peyot for example did not seek to enforce those subpoenas in court and instead rush to get the the articles of impeachment pass before Christmas and yet have not transmitted them to us in the Senate? Okay so people are reading this as Susan Collins. It's somehow cutting against McConnell. Listen that whole quote not really. She's basically saying yeah. Sure I'd like to see a trial but The House into its job so this is going nowhere everybody knows is going nowhere. It's all a Sham mm-hmm we can move on with our lives. By early February. This thing will be over and we'll be in primary season full swing by the way Bernie. Sanders raised a boatload of money. Dude is on the move. Watch out Democrats. You may nominate eminating actual open octogenarian socialist. Gay Time for a quick thing I like and then a thing that I hate so things that I like today as quick because as you all know I may large scale Star Wars Fan. I'm a Big Star Wars Geek. My kids are now super. Incest are worse like we got them nothing but stars gifts for Hanukkah and they could not be happier. I honestly yeah. I wish that the world will not such a terrible place particularly social media so I could pose videos my kids because it is adorable. I have the best video of my three year old son who's very tan. Pire strikes back. I know maybe a little old for him but he gets it he likes it and And they're they're many videos of me turning to him now and saying no I am your father and him saying that's not true. That's impossible and me saying search. Your feelings you know to be true and him going. No my kids are very end. Okay so I finally got a chance. A couple of nights ago derise skywalker. We're out of the country for a bit of vacation and And when he got back like I move my wife and I go to sea rise skywalker. Now if you've been familiar with the show at all you know I've been incredibly critical of the new trilogy. I don't like the New Jersey. I think it was unnecessary. I think they were fools. That tried to split the baby so there were two things they could have done. Originally I have to preface my take on rises skywalker with the other two movies because it doesn't work as a standalone film nor is it really meant to this film. Rise of SKYWALKER was designed specifically quickly to ret con meaning to go back in time and change the fact that force awakens and last year I ever happened. Gay Basically revises the entire story in a much more satisfying way has so. Here's my original take on this neutral AJI. There are two ways that Disney could have gone Disney number one could have recast the entire original return to Aja they could have recast. Somebody is luke somebody Laya recast. Somebody is as Han. which by the way they did they recast? Somebody is Andre. They'd solo they have recast the entire cast and then they could have just picked up a return of the jet. I left off with the admiral thron series which read any of the Star Wars books. Yes I have if you then. That's actually a really good storyline. And the could have just picked up where they left off and moved on into the future that way and had gotten all of their new adventures alternatively they could've landed the star wars universe in place and they're actually doing this on Disney plus with demand Laurean which is kind of great right demand. Laurean is really fun John Farrell Director. Then they could have gone back and they could have used some of these characters and put them somewhere else in the Star Wars Universe so does so Disney actually has done this with a couple of their other series right star wars clone wars. They did this and also star wars rebels and some of that stuff's really pretty fantastic. They could have done any of those things instead. Ed What they chose to do was split. The baby will introduce new characters but we'll live off the install job for the first films. You can't do that and the reason you can't do that is because if you're nostalgic for the first films you don't want to see bad things happen to your favorite childhood characters. no-one what spoiler alert. No one wants to see Han Solo die at the hands of his son like a loser. Divorced for stat after leaving Laya alone for twenty years and flying around the Galaxy Smoking Pot with Chewy in the Millennium Falcon. No one wants to see that. And that's what happens in force awakens. No one wants to see luke. Who is this hero? who goes from being wine teenager to being this mature Djeddai? WHO's able to control himself to save his father? Nobody wants to see Luke. Become a MISANTHROPE milks aliens on a foreign planet whining about his life and disparaging the tradition. No one wants to see that. So the new series basically took all of your favorite characters your favorite oh characters and proceeded to ruin them except for Laya because Kathleen Kennedy has this feminist streak where the only characters were allowed to be competent or good are apparently female characters so that that was as the critique of this trilogy basically took all of my favorite characters from childhood and they rep them said they could promote a bunch of characters. Who sucked okay? Ray was a terrible character because he didn't know not only you didn't know where she came from but she was amazing at everything right off the bat right. This was the biggest critique of the first part of his trilogy the biggest critique was that ray who had not not training a force for half a second was suddenly unbelievably good at it and Ben Solo Right Kylo Ren who is layers layers kit with on. WHO's been training with the force since childhood to it can be overtaken in a lightsaber battle by somebody who picked up a lightsaber half a second ago? Hey that's not a thing it's stupid and everybody who watched the series knew it was stupid. Meanwhile well you had. Po was utterly incompetent. They tried to create a new Hans Solo character. The difference is that Han Solo Empire strikes back the entire story impair strikes back is Hans Solo demonstrating that he is wildly competent and a lot of things. The entire Po Damron stories. The dude is wildly incompetent until he suddenly promoted to the head of the rebel alliance and then has no story arc at all his entire story. Arc is that he was stormtrooper. End of story ARC. Nothing happens to him for the next three movies so all of the new characters are completely boring. Random should've should've killed Finn in in last I when he makes that heroic run they should kill them off. They probably should've killed po in the last Jedi. They should have had him. Pull the admiral hold on maneuver her instead. They bringing the Laura dern to where weird hair and to a light speed trick that by the way if anybody could have figured that one out they go to blow up the death star that way like in star wars a new hope as well as returned the job so all this is preface to say I hated force awakens and I hated last night. Rise of skywalker is an attempt and to buy all of that back and understanding that this trilogy never should have happened an understanding all the flaws of force awakens and and last Jedi. Now you understand and why I liked rise of skywalker because they attempt to correct as many of these problems as they can while apologizing for the series over existing which is basically what this was so all of the stuff with Finn and Conan cares about all that stuff was dumb. No one cares about. Its waste of time. You have to do it. It's like the worst J.J. Abrams like the film. It's not a spoiler to say. The film opens with the Millennium Falcon light speed jumping which just turns it into like a silly prop it. It's it's ridiculous it's ridiculous. The entire empire strikes back which is the best star wars film the unquestionably. This is facts. This is known. Hey Empire strikes back is all about basically three maybe four topics. One is the Millennium Falcon. It's the entire thing in in empire. Strikes back is that the Millennium Falcons hyper drive is broken okay. That is the central plot device in this movie in the new movie and rises skywalker. The Millennium Falcon is falling on fire. And they fix it. Inside of five seconds flat all of it also empire strikes back is about Luke drawing and realizing that he is insufficient. Okay so that that's the other topic and also about Hans Solo being wildly competent Foale Po in thin. They're wildly incompetent. The Millennium Falcon is made into a proper. All that stuff is sorta worst of of J.J. Abrams the stuff. That's really good. Okay the stuff. That's really good is actually quite good. The stuff that's good is that they buy back on Solo's death they give him sort of a new exit scene where he's not being killed by his son where they cheat. He's he can't be forced goes because you'd have the force but he basically is a force goes he comes back that all these spoilers. Okay spoilers. You've you've been warned one thousand times. You don't want to hear about the movie yet. Don't listen a so Han. Solo comes back and he talks with Kyle and he basically wounds Kylo back lights out of the you find out that lay-up who uses the force in new and bizarre ways and last shot that are never explained like she literally pulls herself back into a ship after being blasted out into space. Where the the hell did that come from Lou Cazin? Even none that you're told in in this movie that Laya was trained as jet. I by Luke which makes sense right in the book. She actually is in book. She actually is. FRIEND HAS JANAE by Luke and that you decided not to become a judge at the last minute because she foresaw using the force that if she became a jet I then her lightsaber would be used to kill Ben case that that will make since they ret conned that and then the biggest con of all the one that actually matters and that answers why rate is cool ready to answer the question. Why Israeli even a thing and the answer is because she's palpitations eighteen granddaughter? which is fantastic? That's great reveal. That's great because the most underrated force ability person in the Star Wars series. Because everyone's focused on mannequin skywalker. Logon vader on Luke on layup on Yoda on OBI Wan. Nobody's focused on the fact at palpitations. An unbelievable bad ass with forthright. Palpitation is so strong in the force that he it basically defeats Yoda. He is able to conceal his identity as the emperor for three movies. They'll turn back into the dark side like palpitations and other bad ass and so they bring palpitation back from the dead which they sort of had to do Palestine's great character. They they bring in all the old musical cues they bring in all of the old stuff which stuff that I I like. So if you're an astrologer person if you're pissed at this series because you feel like a ruin your childhood than this. This movie was an attempt to restore that is an attempt to make Hong cool again. Fair- fairly successful. It was an attempt to make way cool again. Successful is an attempt to make luke cool. There's a great scene where Luke does even though he's dead right. Luke does this thing the Yoda's while he's alive and Empire Remember Empire. There's this call. There's the scene where Yoda raises the X. Wing from the swamp because fails to do so. Here Luke is able to do that as a force goes to hand over the X.. Wing direct. That's great the callback scene. Where they find the old death star from return of the jet? I and Ray has to confront herself. which is another call back to empire? And then when they're the plane the old musical cues and all that stuff is great what they do with Kylo Ren bring him back to. The whiteside is pretty. Great j.j Abrams does a great job in setting up a good reveal so for several movies. You've been seeing basically Kylo and ray four skyping one another they're you. They can talk over long distances in this movie they can actually Sword Fight SORTA telepathically but it has real world ramifications. One is in one place one is in the other place and they're having these lightsaber battles but it actually has physical ramifications in the places where they're having the lightsaber battles and so that ends with a really fantastic reveal and all that stuff is great so everything with Kylo everything with Ray. Everything with Palestine is Great. Everything with Leia and Han is really good like all that stuff is good fin. Po continued to be disposable all the other fringe characters end up being disposable. There is this lesbian moment. That's been much talked about. Because the very end of the movie they shall lesbian couple. It's obviously Disney. Trying to shoehorn in the okay. Glad we know you're there. It's very silly and it's very it's sort of like that moment. At the end of of the avengers infinity warmer all all the females land in one part of the battlefield new like okay really. was that like come on. Get into that sort of the same thing here. None of the couples are kissing except one couple. Like all right. I get it Disney. I get your I find you fulfilled your PC quota for the day. Whatever man but it's pretty shoehorned in? It's not a big deal. It's just silly but overall the critics are savaging. This film all tells you about critics. All you need to know is they gave the last Jedi ninety two percent on rotten tomatoes and they gave this fifty three percent. They didn't understand star wars yet. He didn't understand it. This movie understands better for this movie. Understands better how the weapons work. This movie understands better. The dynamics between the light and the dark side it understands palpitation. I've heard a lot of objections that this film basically makes the Skywalker vader interaction completely irrelevant. But that's true the minute that palpitation lives right. I mean the and by the way. That's the minute that the rebel lions fails sales once the republic falls into the store. Then that whole thing became irrelevant. The new trilogy made data relevant which is why they should have fast forwarded and taken it to some other part of the universe. But once you're in the trilogy would you. This was the best way to end it. Here's a little bit the trailer if you haven't already seen it you're doing. Their one. Looks my friend confronting fear ear your destiny. Okay so this is. It's sort of like return of the judge this one specifically because the part that you care about is all the stuff with the emperor and all the stuff fund on indoor doesn't matter as much that's pretty much this movie everything between Ray and Kylo and the emperor and all the old characters is great and everything else is disposable but good good for J.J. Abrams for at least trying to go back and on ruin everything that he ruined. Force Awakens Ryan Johnson then proceeded to wreck in last Jedi. Okay I know I went on a long time about stars but guess what tough. It's a new year. It's my show gets say would have won. So you know what we're GONNA start the New Year on an upbeat note. We're not GONNA do things I hate. I took forever talking about Star Wars but suffice say he liked the Old Star Wars. You should totally. You should totally see this one. It is definitely better than the last two in the series and everybody who's ripping on it didn't understand why the last two sucked already righty. We'll be back in a little bit later today to Hours of content including all of your election updates burn centers raising tons of money where we are in the polls Joe Biden stepping in it again. We'll gets all that two hours later today. Why should subscribe get twenty percents off today daily? WEAR DOT com slash. Subscribe to go make that happen. Otherwise we'll see you here tomorrow. I'm Ben Shapiro This Ben Shapiro show if you enjoyed this episode. Don't forget to subscribe. And if you want to help spread the word. 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New Details on Ex-Renault-Nissan Boss Carlos Ghosn's Escape from Japan

WSJ What's News

11:05 min | 11 months ago

New Details on Ex-Renault-Nissan Boss Carlos Ghosn's Escape from Japan

"Wall Street Journal listeners. Come from all walks of life and business and no matter what type of business urine eighty P is here to help you achieve what you're working king for with. HR talent time benefits and payroll informed by data and designed for people learn more at design done. Eighty P dot com new details on how former renault-nissan boss Carlos Goin' escaped. Japan need heard a lot of people. Refer to this as a James Bond style operation embraced when they're telling us with the details. Were and why the euro has never been this last year. There was nothing pushing it forward less new year. It's new regulations including some big ones in California. This is what's news from the Wall Street Journal. I'm Kim Gittleson. Let's get started Now before we take a look at Carlos goines escape from Japan Pan. Here's what you missed days after an attempt to storm the. US Embassy in Baghdad. Supporters of Iranian backed militias have retreated the Tuesday effort to enter. The embassy was in retaliation to the killing of two dozen Iraqi militia fighters in US air strikes over the weekend in an interview with Fox News yesterday Secretary of State. Mike pompeo said there were no plans to evacuate the embassy or withdraw American troops from Iraq which was iranian-backed terrace erris. Many of them are individuals have been designated terrorist by the United States at others. Come into the American embassy and posing a risk to American Diplomats and personnel inside. The embassy saw the president trump a direct a quick decisive prudent response but making sure that we had all the resources necessary to keep people safe and to secure the compound around as well no more mango cucumber or cream. We report the FDA will ban the sale of fruity flavors of e cigarettes. Only tobacco and Menthol will be allowed but the restriction won't apply to tank vaping systems that are commonly found at vape shops these allow customers to mix their own flavors. But aren't that popular with teens. President Trump said the ban addresses health concerns while limiting the impact on small businesses. We're GONNA protect our families. We're GONNA to protect our children and we're going to protect the industry. We report an announcement could come as soon as Friday. It's a new year. Which means new regulations nations a host of new laws went into effect yesterday dealing with everything from felon rights to grocery bags? Some of the biggest changes were in California where the nation's most stringent data privacy laws took effect the state also enacted a new law about who businesses can classify as independent contractors. Uber and Postman's have sued they argue. The law violates constitutional guarantees of equal protection and due process Now our main story former Nissan Renault Chairman Carlos gone fled Japan over the weekend. We report report that he took a private plane bound for Turkey before continuing on to Lebanon. He's a citizen. They're going was arrested in late. Twenty eighteen in Japan on charges of financial wrongdoing. He's denied those charges and said he didn't flee justice but quote escaped injustice and political persecution. To find out more more about his escape. I rang up our reporter Sean Mcclain. He's in Tokyo. So Sean First things first where are you right now. I'm currently standing outside the house else. Go and used to live in in Tokyo and a nice view of Tokyo Tower in waiting for the prosecutors that come out occurring inside doing something so what what do we know about guns escape so far what we know so far is fairly thin. We know he left from Kansai Airport near Osaka and flew to Turkey from Turkey. Flew to Lebanon how he got from his home in Tokyo to Asaka. There's something we're still working on on reporting out or chasing a lot of rumors a lot of people who know things but we don't have anything solid yet we've heard a lot of people refer to this as a James Bond style operation when they're telling Oy is a belief that the bills were and Japanese authorities haven't said much yet about his escape but we know the gone is now in Lebanon and were reporting that while the country denies any involvement in helping him escape. It's been lobbying the Japanese government for months to have go and stand trial there will you. You're all right. Lebanon is said they had no involvement. We have no indication to believe that they were involved. We do know from sources that Goan if he faces trial he hopes that it will be in Lebanon. News doesn't WANNA be Japan. He says that ninety nine percent conviction rate in the way they treat defendants in Japan means. He's incapable of getting a fair trial here so he decided to leave and move to a jurisdiction where he feels like he get a fair trial so far Japanese prosecutors have defended their justice justice system and said that go and get a fair trial in Japan. Can you remind us again of the charges that he's facing there. Joe Facing three charges the first of which which is understating his pay the prosecutors say that Goan secretly had plans to pay himself a loads more money than he was earning after retirement guns Response has always been. He was thinking about possibly being paid future. Brazil negotiation. The company didn't owe him anything thing therefore he didn't have to report anything and then he's also has additional charges. What they call breach of trust in Japan that have to deal with a Business arrangements between Nissan and acquaintances of Carlos gone and prosecutors are alleging a quid pro quo in those arrangements Gone and everybody associated with those deals. Say there were all about boarding. Carlos did receive the personal benefit with Nissan money. All of those add up to about fifteen years worth of control jail time in quite a large number of dollars worth of fines. Okay so he's now in Lebanon. What would a court case against Carlos? Let's go look like there. And how would it work. Well Lebanon under Criminal Code Claims Jurisdiction over all of its citizens. No matter where are they are in the world they can. They can try anybody for any crime regardless of where they committed. As long as it's a crime in Lebanon his wealth. They said they would try him under some. UN Code to which Lebanon is a signatory. That's what they've offered in the past and I imagine that is what the goal inside is is modeling their strategy around. It sounds like they're still a lot of unknowns about what happens next Ext.. There's a big big big hole in what we actually know. As opposed to what's rumored to have happened so hopefully in the coming days we'll get a better picture and And hopefully we'll get to tell the full tale of what must have been in a spectacular story to make it out you can find all of our continuing coverage of Carlos gone including our investigation into the charges against him up on. WSJ DOT COM. Are you a Henry it stands for high earner not rich yet in means the despite earning a six figure income. You're struggling to amass any meaningful nest. Egg are friends of the Motley. Fool can help. Since nineteen ninety-three they've been providing investment advice helping members build the financial future. They envision to Kick Start Your twenty twenty financial financial goals. They're offering five of their favourite stock picks for free realizing. YOU'RE A henry. Remember the not rich part you can do it. And the Motley fool can help visit full. L. Dot com slash. WSJ on two markets after a break to ring in the New Year global indices he is resumed trading today Chinese markets rose and shares in Europe opened higher. We're going to stay in Europe this morning and turn to the euro. One euro currently buys one dollar and twelve cents now. We very rarely tell you this exchange rate and that's partially because for the past year the euro. It didn't move very much Kaitlyn. ostrov explains so the euro austere had its calmest ever since the inception of the common currency for the Euro area in nineteen ninety nine and what that means is that you know. The euro never really broke out of the trading range that it had between buying dollar nine cents in a dollar and fifteen cents typically quickly it will go much higher upto one twenty or one thirty against the dollar but last year there was nothing pushing it forward what that means for investors is at that creates an opportunity Kennedy for them to use that really stable veins and by other currencies and they can make money off of the interest rate differential as Europe has really low vacates and other countries have higher rates and so what it means going for. Twenty twenty is that the euro is expected to stay within a valid small veins stone out really break out of that and and it will continue to be an attractive. What's called funding currency? Making it a good place to buy other currencies and years. What else else were paying attention to today? Officials in Australia are warning that brushfires in the eastern part of the country could worsen. They've urged tourists to leave the state of New South Wales. Australia's prime minister. Scott Morrison defended his administration's Jason's handling of the fires and it's climate change record well of knowledge. The link has has the minister between the broader issues of global climate change and what that means for the world weather and the drought conditions in many places. But I'm sure you would also agree that no response by anyone anywhere in the world. It can be linked to any one far event and I don't think you'll suggesting that here in New South Wales Victoria or anywhere else. Finally you've probably a herd of dry January but here's one that might be new to you Vegan. Yori it's a movement that like January started in the UK. The pledge is to spend and the next thirty days eating a Vegan or mostly Vegan Diet more than thirty thousand people across the. US have signed up to cut back on meat and dairy because of health environmental or animal welfare concerns. If you're one of those people we've got some tips up on our website like eating enough dark leafy green vegetables to make sure chart. You're getting enough calcium. That's what's news from the Wall Street Journal. Thanks for listening.

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Recorded With JBL Tune 110 BT E463

Topgold Audio Clips

05:56 min | 1 year ago

Recorded With JBL Tune 110 BT E463

"What audio for six threes <unk> playing around year talking to you in a j._v. Oh tune scene one ten bt mid. It's a bluetooth ear bud and i'm not sure what's gonna. What's gonna sound like because. I'm using it on a note nine. I'm using it as a recording device amusing inside at app called spreaker studio. How's the sound to you when i use them in dublin dublin immediately after i bought them i thought i'm getting good base baby because i i think i heard were some instagram ads and it was the first time him of aware of how much fill is in a lot of the music that accompanies some of those over the top too loud instagram ads but then i thought brought to some youtube music collections have their playlists online and i got an a warning from my provider of how much gigabits of data was using and i also got entertain got some good musical fill in my ears with a tight fitting <unk> set of ear bud devices so this little j._b._l. Tune one ten b._t. Comes with a series of different sleeves. You can put on <unk>. Just replace the <hes> standard earbud if you want. I like the smugness of feel even though after a few hours of using them in a crowded city environment. I was aware that i had your butts on. I know friends of mine have told me purist that i'm going to be more like the students that are in my creative creative courses either by over the ears cans. We'll probably do that but it's a matter of the size of things i had to go in and out of the american embassy today. They don't let you take stuff like he ear sets into the embassy so i would have had to squeeze into a locker and maybe damage them so anyway what what these robots primarily because i wanted to have your buds. I had ak gs from a note nine that i bought months ago. Those ak jeez. He's fell out of my pocket when it was cycling and i found them a few days later crash bits by a car still on the area where i would write to from work. I got easier buds because i was looking for the replacement that thirteen-year-old replacements for the ak jeez. Everybody told me to different shops so me that curry's p._c. Were would have them. They don't so i- zeroed in on other ear buds and decided you know what since i wanted to have bluetooth ear buds while working in the back garden i'd go for brand j._b._l. Abi l. i knew and i spent thirty nine euro to buy things currently using whitman of nine using them now as a bluetooth truth microphone from experience i know by putting my phone in my bag and walking away from it that the other range of at least five meters that's about the space space of time and distance space the distance that they cut out five six meters good for me. I work with that when i got them there. They had a charge on the moretti between i wanna say they had thirty percent power is present charging i think and i got a full day's use out the in dublin which is decent translates into a full charge will give you maybe six hours of us which is fine. I have a small battery pack <unk> at on the train home which is about to our journey. They were fully recharged. That's good. I use them all the way down to where they just didn't work anymore and they produce this little warning bell that varies. I guess closer to you get zero. That's kinda cool so would recommend for you okay. If you want airbud that cut out the sound around you. They're pretty decent for that. They're not as good as noise cancelling headphones but they're good. They're good <hes> if you want them to. Cycle a bike there worthwhile. Do you want to just hear a greater range of sound that comes on the podcast with music that you have yeah. These are good ideas the other tests. I'm gonna have with ms. Can they actually keep me working longer certain crap. I have in my garage or pigging holes in my backyard. I think yes they will work that way. What i know from common uses that they're not so good for the other other end of the phone call so handled two phone calls with them yesterday. In both cases i could tell the people couldn't hear me as well as when i would take take off bluetooth and talk directly in the phone which did during the phone call so. I'm not sure there would be something. I'd recommend if you were were an e._m._t. Driving your emergency vehicle to a place. I don't think i'd use these <unk> spent one hundred twenty euro and get a plant onyx bluetooth headsets sentence boom it out from there but that's for another day for now you can say i'm happy for forty euro. I spent for the j._b._l. Tune in one ten b._t. Your funds earphones and that's what you're hearing me. Use <unk> nine connected to the speaker studio so all in all. That's a good technological fit the lifestyle that i have although i'm sure some people would find the standard fit too tight for the ears ears. Admit irritating others would find it totally unusable because as telephonic connection. It's not really the expectation people have have when making or receiving a phone call all right more about this stuff over on inside view dot i e that's the website that i use. You can find me dan. Shout back at me through your old ear buds. If you wish i am top golden good social networks by now.

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The Westminster Walk: MI5 and MI6

Spies of London

03:07 min | 3 months ago

The Westminster Walk: MI5 and MI6

"Welcome to Spies of London the Westminster walk. So I'm getting ready to record the Westminster walk. This is the one that begins at Pimlico Tube Station by the National Crime agency doubles back through Pimlico towards dolphin Square. That's an apartment building famous for spying and other things into the gardens opposite and then a look at the American Embassy the new American embassy at nine Elms a short Riverwalk a look at MI6. That's Vauxhall cross the current MI6 building which opened in 1994 carrying on along the embankment took a state and towards Tim's house the current home of MI5 and then walking through Westminster itself looking at Westminster school where Kim philby went Marshall Court which is friends with Maura Southfield the home office the new home office the old home office, which is now the ministry of Justice the home of George Blake santoni's Hotel the new Olde Scotland Yard, because it's not long. The headquarters of the British Union of fascists not necessarily in this order Broadway buildings, which is the former home of MI6. So you can contrast the kind of former. You would have seen or heard off of the old MI5 building on the Mets phone York, which I have recently which is like if your house on cars and string and then after Broadway buildings, we talk behind their into Queen Anne's gate where you see another month old even older headquarters of MI6 in Mansfield coming today an army office used by Clayton Powell and were down cockpit steps into some James's Park walk along the edge of Saint James's Park which was famous off buying in its own right and then finally standing outside the treasury in the foreign office to talk about the foreign secretary and the foreign office and how that relates to MI6 in particular and then if there's time you can take a walk down to the police memorial which is in the other colony of the horse guards area of Saint James's Park in the mouth. You can go home from the mail catching a bus in Trafalgar Square, or you can catch the tube from Westminster dog. So that's the basic outline of the walk the order changes and sometimes the direction changes. When I do this in person, sometimes I think it's good to start in the busy area and in the work gets gently quieter as it proceeds, but if you end up stranded in Pimlico, which has only one tube station, it's not enough great line. You have to go to Victoria and changing so on so that's why we start in Pimlico cuz that's kind of the easiest place to start because you literally outside each station and then I can leave you towards Saint James's Park which is essential part of London and very well served by buses. So there are some tips for you if you'd carrying this walk out in person or if you're interested in joining us off at B&B in the option. I'm not going to start recording episode one which starts at the National Crime agency tune in soon for this walk. home

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64. Mary Turner Thomson Finds Out She's Married to a Bigamist, Con Man, and Psychopath

Fancy Free Podcast

41:03 min | 2 months ago

64. Mary Turner Thomson Finds Out She's Married to a Bigamist, Con Man, and Psychopath

"You are listening to the fancy free podcasts where my girlfriends and I tell our most embarrassing funny stories so that we all feel less alone in our imperfections and Ford connection through vulnerability humor. I'm Joanne Jarrett and I'm your host and today I don't know that I've ever been as excited to present aghast to you as I am to present to you Mary Turner, Thompson Mary, and I met on a facebook group and she has an incredible story and an incredible perspective Mary. Thank you so much for being with me today you're very welcome on excited via myself. Oh. goody. Mary is an international bestselling author of the True Crime Memoir, the bigamist which is being relaunched under a new publisher on September fifteenth of this year, which will have passed by the time. This episode is aired so you can run right out by it. She is a motivational speaker as well as a publishing consultant helping other people write, publish, and promote their own books, and she has a background in marketing and Business Advice Mary fill in the Blake's what did I miss about who you are and what you do. Oh Gosh. That's say about fifty five years to explain. On the mom, I worked from home. So lockdown has not been a problem. My life partner is doc. What breed I have to know more about the dark plunged Kakhafi and she's absolutely love of my life. Do you have a picture? We could post in the show notes of your Cockapoo. Yes she's utterly adorable. And what is her name honey? Oh, that's a bit of a joke because when I first dog I so I might actually. Hard name like decay and. Offbeat Boutique or something to make it sound like a good guard dog but it took one look at our though she's honey-coloured. She's such a honey and it was just I could walk through the door and say honey I'm home. Stock. So cute. The love of a pet is care and simple isn't it? Yes. Absolutely is just the most loyal and honest and loving creatures. Yeah. There's nothing like it. It's nothing like the love of a dog. And how old are your kids? My oldest daughter's twenty-one my middle daughter's eighteen and my son is fifteen and are they living with you? Yes. Lockdown together on ESPN. Fantastic. 'cause we will get on WWL and my daughter's boyfriend my eighteen hundred source boyfriend was with a split. We wanted to lock dimes five us. We've been doing poke nights and and watching movies together sticks that it's really good fun. I think it just sounds like a really long slumber party as. Well, as you know, the point of this podcast is to share are not so fancy stories and you have. A massive, not so fancy story and I just can't wait for you to walk my listeners through this. Amazing incredible. Unbelievable. But completely believable when you tell it story, what happened to you? Well yeah, that's A. I'll skim through the basic outline of the story into near two thousand I had a one year old daughter and I was a single mom and I started doing this online dating my friends. All said, you know what could possibly go wrong famous US west they say do it. It'll be fun time site what compulsive girl. As it turned out that the man that I ended up meeting and marrying I'm. A relationship with was a man who told me he was infertile from a pod bite of when he was a child tucked Peterson when we actually got pregnant, it was a bit of a miracle. But if I met him, he told me he was nineteen specialist. He was very very good with computers and how does that an IT company based in Center Square and at and I've been to his office and stuff like that met some of his stuff and then. But two or three months into the relationship I started noticing some oddities in following them up discovered that he wasn't actually just an it guy what he manages to spayed me was he was working for the intelligence services. So he was actually CIA but I'm Sa- comment six and this was verified by lots of different evidence not least the fact that he was carrying a gun in the which is highly illegal. He was paid by money pockets from the. Ministry defense in the UK, those people would verify that was is a wanted to officers met people. You know there was certificates. So as pay packets I mean, how do you know what your partner does for a living right? You go into the RAV meet their work colleagues. You see how they're paid. All these things were actually in evidence, but it was fabricated really wasn't. True. He's American right. So he said he was American CIA. That was what contracting with the intelligence services where you are. Yes. So in the UK m I, six is the international spy agency on 'em. I five is British internal intelligence. Okay. I see. So he was on secondment to my six is specialist area was Israel and Palestine, but he was based in the UK. So, much on you about the Australian Palestinian conflict, the time because I was so fascinated because my husband was working at a lot of people when the heat is coming like a headline think he came home and said, Hey, baby I'm a spy and that's not what it was. He was an IT specialist working for the intelligence services. The closest you can think about it is he was the man in the van is too high seal they spy movies and despite, and then there's the backup crew van doing all the stuff that's what he did. said, he did he persuaded me and the wife and a few of his fiancee said, he did we were together for six years after four years of being together. He started to explain to me that the shadowy people after us if we didn't come up with money, they were going to kidnap the kids and rip it them and send them through the post if we didn't manage came off. Very long story short but basically took me for two hundred thousand pounds left me V six posit debt a tons out I wasn't married to him because although he went through the monitoring spies, he was already married someone else. He was a mess and a call mom and a convicted paedophile on a psychopath does that he has now fourteen children bye-bye six women in two, thousand I when he was first arrested two is in three fiancee's my gosh. Yes not a bit of a bad lad. He was out night the most toxic dangerous person. It wasn't just women news coming as well. He's actively impregnating women to rip them off of money, but he he also was ripping off businesses. So he's ripped off and conned millions of pounds of really big business. He was working for the Deputy Prime Minister John Prescott when he was arrested could see why I wrote a book about it 'cause it's just It took sixty thousand was just explain to people what actually happened. There were enough kernels of truth because he really wasn't it specialist really did have a business but there were a lot of other things going on in the background that he said we're going on that really weren't but there were there was enough evidence that why would you question that's pretty much. It wasn't any of us didn't question him. We did he was. Very. Good at coming up with and fabricating evidence to give you an example when he was imprisoned in the UK and he was deported back to the USA in two thousand nine when he was deported the American Embassy in London, issued him a possible to American possible to be deported back to the says for two days only had a stumped the American embassy and it says I would travel only two days on the date. On this possible reappeared later on, it had certain bit scratched out. So the American Embassy logo on it, it had the dates on it. It says I would travel on the only was scratched out at type diplomatic attache on. US The American embassy leg I to help him. So see people bank accounts and things on this. He's very, very good at what he does. Very, very good. How did you find out? Did you get a phone call? Did you find a letter? How did you find out that he had another family at his other wife Rag me? That's a phone call. You definitely are not expecting. This is such a complicated story I wasn't expecting a phone call from her, but I was expecting phone cokes I knew he'd been arrested but that's no self as a longer story towards the end of my relationship with him. Things were very, very, very frightening. I spent almost a year not sleeping. I had a baby who is only a few months old and was believing that Chaudhary, nasty figures that brought down the twin towers we're actually. Coming to try and keep that my children. Gosh not least having a seven year old a four year old and one year old but I was up every night searching the highest thing haggard here people it was it was pretty frightening. So actually what surprises people is when I call that phone call from the otherwise, they'll expect me to say it was devastating and it was awful on it was this the other actually was a huge relief it was jail free card because it been. Until these horrible people off to me, it was just him. It was just him telling lies and everything that you were afraid that didn't exist I'd lost everything but they like at the same time by that stage. Actually it was a massive relief. It was honestly it like coming out in the Matrix on finding actually the world outside is an awful. It's actually. Better. I've been living in Hell and Michael that phone call didn't destroy my life at eight actually repaired. Wow to a story really is what made you write the book and when it was re released what were the changes that were made? Will the book came out originally in two thousand and seven as been reedited so it's just been remastered a bit. The reason is coming out again in September is because it's been taken on by new publisheh a sound good edit again so has been refreshed. Shall we say? But essentially same burqas since two, thousand seven. But one of the reasons republishing it is because my new book coming out in the winter which they're also taking on on so they're linking them together. So their new one is a sequel. Oh excellent. The bigamist only goes up to two thousand and seven when he was imprisoned and had his appeal. was. LOFTA cool for. The psychopathy is really everything. The I learnt about psychopaths and everything I've learned about him since and how I recovered from Italy as well and how I'm not sitting here laughing with you by love it. Now, it'd be a really good time for you to give your definition of psychopath sociopath and narcissist just because I feel like you're really nice simple way of explaining those things it's very much layman's terms to get the comments coming back still. It's so close to this an easy key to remember psychopaths and sociopaths are effectively the same thing. A psychopath is born with no chemical empathic response to anybody else's pain or to their own but A. Is made usually from abuse between the ages of Sierra and five the any empathy to have his abused out of them essentially after they turn like fifteen sixteen, they are cooked and you know they're not allowed to diagnose till eighteen but once they hit a psychopath associate both are essentially same thing. So at America Canada dot had tech to Harris actually stopping using Tom Psychopath a tool because it doesn't actually make any difference but a psychopath is basically someone who has no chemical empathic response to anybody else's pain they don't care about anybody including themselves so they can damage themselves hurt themselves go to prison they category prison because that's how to happen. That feature? So they care about what they're doing that game right now, a narcissist the hand is a very similar creature except for one Banja difference a narcissist doesn't care about anybody except themselves so says, for instance, they clued the people around them. So the individual children or the partner of the they see them as an extension of themselves. They are included not bubble of somebody they care about but they step out of line and don't do what they're told that Gillis team. Oh, come down they are on the outside they don't care about the missile. Wow. It's like a switch off. Okay. So you wrote the bigamist in kind of the throws of. Revelation when you were finding out all of these things that were actually true about the man that was supposed to be the one person, you could trust the most on this earth. Yeah. I was writing bigamist as he was going on trial side it was very fresh. It's his no-holds-barred absolutely while they believed at the time. I mean it tells you from the very beginning of the book that it's all a calm because it starts off with a phone call from the other wife. So everyone dies will reading threads that this is all a calm but I still tell it. As I didn't know it was a comment time and what I find that when Satra I've just done the audio book and reading it lied somebody is quite extraordinary because the guy who is doing the editing of the audiobook every. So often to drop here go did you hear that scream? Larry was great. It was just me that worry about it. He's like I. Say something you just in the background you've go those. Couple of times. And you're like putdown that they're working. To get that kind of instant reaction from somebody committed this ledge leads reviews of books just saying I couldn't put it down and I actually have occasionally recite lovely year at a supermarket someone walks up to your. You'll Mary Turner Thompson and you go yeah Nigga you kept apple last night this little fist-bump. Like. That's the best thing you can say to another. Brother says, it's rather like watching a train crash in slow motion just call it a waves. It's awfully cutler threw a perch for me of this is what's happened but it was credit be thought it because I don't have any emotional residue with God to it I completely see it for everything as it was people turn around and say, here's the. Pit on it's like I. Know but I can tell you why it happened on what happened and how it happened on how you can soap happening. Ta is quite fun talking about funny stories there. -ociety funny stories Aerobic Joe is tell you something I love to hear them. Yes. When I rang me, it was talked about two hours in the fire and she how about the finance got in the car and she drove up to Edward See me I was later I opened the door and she was there at my door and So he decided I didn't want to take into my high. So we took a cafe instead she and I won't this cafe we turn run to the guy at Barton and Look at each other and this kind of the way you look at somebody you just find is marty husband. Of Shock the guy behind the conscious, it can help you. I tend when someone I said you know, I don't know we've both just find out what my to the same man. He he looked stunned sched at. Buckingham Inside Tonight Sorry. Just two cups of tea. And he said George Sheriff. Paul. Just might take a while. There's so many funny things to do that, and I have a bit of a response mechanism nights dealing with anything unpleasant is to try and see the funny side because there are. There's there's an amazing funny sites, but it happened verbal diarrhea was God's I couldn't stop telling everybody what happened. Probably still am fourteen years is at the bus stop someone say that I got Good Morning I'm married biggest. It was asked what. This fascinating I guess what I'm going through. I love it. I tried to clean funny stories. I could in the book as well because h one thing it's not as a misery memoir. Yes. You're not looking for sympathy net. It is very clear to me that your aim. Now, of course that I it was probably like you said, it was Cathartic. Able to go back and really iron out some of your confusing thoughts around the expenses that you were living through but it's clear to me. Now that you're aim is to educate people on Psychopathy sociopath easy narcissism and how this could really happen to anyone because these people really are it a complete lack for the emotional restraints that the neuro normative people have you know I like that near Normative Now to say it. empathic people yes or your typical what what. So students in two thousand online dating was brand new people is dangerous dangerous stuff. But even then I tried to do my due-diligence as people say I looked up online but his name is will Jordan. So will and Jordan. If you try and Google those two words he end up getting statements like will the country of Jordan? It or will Jordan the baseball basketball player x? So it just it doesn't help couldn't find anything about him. But one of the reasons I couldn't find anything about him is nobody had gone public with the story. Basically people are embarrassed get embarrassed about having been a victim of a crime up buyers by having a victim of calm particularly if it's somebody who's supposed to be your lover or your husband yes. In others a humiliation there there's an embarrassment I the one thing I've never been. Embarrassed of never been embarrassed or humiliated or upset by what happened because I know I did nothing wrong and I know I'm not stupid. I know I'm not particularly Gullible believe people ask me when I first read the book I said that you're gonNA write your name at the very question belies the attitude that I should have been embarrassed and I I was like, yeah, of course now I would die not ashamed a result now become advocate for not victim shaming particularly not victim shaming yourself. So, many people do that and I get letters every day from people who say something similar happened to be an I've never told anyone. I always. Say. You did nothing wrong. Your phone been victim of a crime. It was not your fault. Well, I, love that and I have to tell you my mother-in-law was the victim of a very small and abbreviated con compared to what you were victim of but she ended up getting swindled out of some money and she thought it was because she was getting one of her grandchildren out of trouble and every time ship brings that up she says I just can't believe how stupid I am. I say to her Kathy and that gives me goosebumps Oliver my body just talking about it right now the fact that that happened to you is evidence that you love your Grandchild Matt is all there and it just brings tears to me almost because she really is ashamed that she was conned and it says something so different to me. Yeah. But that's what they do is psychopaths we'll talk. empath and the more empathic. You are the more chance there is of you've been caught because they use your empathy against you. So they used might case use my children to swayed me to give up money in your mother's case it was using her grandchildren together to give up money get. So swamped in the fear that something's going to happen to your children, you don't see rationally what's going on. On It's not stupidity it's not gullibility. It's not anything else is a very, very carefully laid con Yep it's called fraud. It's illegal. The other thing I told my mother-in-law is so this is evidence of two things actually you're great and deep love for your grandchild and the second thing is because she had a race around town and collect up this cash and you have forty five minutes. And all this stuff and she pulled it off I was like Kathy. This is incredible. Look what you were capable of when your grandchild was at risk what are the things I said to my children? I said the one thing they can guarantee that they know parents say that they'd give the shut off the back for the kids on give anything for the kids Cathy proved at right and. So did you announced one thing you can take away from all of this is that you've proved how loyal and loving and a path towards your children and your your loved ones. If you hold onto that pain, if you hold onto the open, I was conned feel embarrassed and everything else. You're actually giving them even more of yourself. Then you gave them the money. Yes that's such an. Interesting point. So talk to me about how you talk to your children about this man because he's a psychopath, he has no empathy no chemical empathic response to other people's pain. So to him, we are all like syms characters. He doesn't have any emotional connection to his children. Any more than he does to is female victims or is business victims for that matter so he is incapable of love. Guilt or a more than that. So when I sat down I, told them what had happened I said he's going to jail when you guys do something wrong I make you sit back and think about it. When you're an adult, you know right from wrong and if you do commit crimes, a judge tells you you need to go and think about it put your prison to do that. So then you he was in the right place Butler said he's about I didn't do the whole. He's a excuse, the language Boston or he's a horrible manner is evil or anything like that because that's not going to help my children absolutely I explained to them. If your father was blind, you wouldn't blame yourself that he can't see you. His psychopathy is not capable of emotion. So it's nothing to do with you that he can't love you. And they get it and they absolutely the grew up being able to talk about it that grew up no bitterness because I've I've participated what a gift to your children that you used restraint because I'm sure I. It took restraint didn't it? I mean or were you just very logical about it from the get-go while I was motivational speaker before all this happened I was working with motivational speakers as well. Business Advisor Marketing Consultant by trade. So I kind of went well I mean, I've either got walk mytalk. Or I've got to stop talking about it because I haven't talked about evasion again in my lifetime if I don't actually live by it, I also had been talking for quite some time to people by the fact that we teach our children by example, if you sit and talk to kids with a cigarette in your hand and say Don't smoke kids the going to spike I mean is that that's that's a simple as they'll go to do what we do not what we say. Yes. So I thought well. I've got a golden opportunity here to actually teach my children how to deal with adversity because whatever I do right now is teaching them how to deal with difficult situation. So would I teach them to lie down cry yourself into a puddle. Never trust anyone do anything again just give up announced. That is absolutely no. Of course not if my children came to me and said, this has happened to me I would say pick yourself up dust yourself time. Go right at Burger Bar to help other people the stand anita protect future victims, and be proud of yourself what you do achieve not what for the things have been done to you I decided to live that advice and Allow myself to forgive myself for being caught because I wouldn't blame a children. If they go cooled, it's great because it gives you the excuse to do good things yourself as parents pretend to sacrifice us out for our children. If you do that while you're doing is teaching children sacrifice themselves. Must Be Very If you want your children to be happy you have to weigh. You have to be happy yourself. I love my kids to bits and therefore I have to love myself to bits so that they will to amazing. Amazing I just love your perspective I. Love It. Thank you. One of my missions in life is to maybe not completely erase that situation of embarrassment, but to shrink it and give it less power because being embarrassed about something is a normal natural response but you don't have to sit in that. You don't have to wallow in it. You don't have to shame yourself as. Quick as you can learn to laugh about it, you kind of get your power back. You get your joy back you gain perspective, and then you can go help other people laugh at their situations and you just kinda create this ripple effect of joy and so I see you so actively doing that. Yeah. Credible should I tell you my most embarrassing story yes in Oh I can't remember what unit it was might be like two, thousand, twelve somewhere that I was staying a Gig at the Edinburgh Festival with a man called Jon Ronson. He wrote a book called the Psychopath Test, which is Woah three despite funny and he wrote it because he met me, we do a live show called a psychopath night together with anyway we were doing. This book signing at the Edinburgh Book Festival on he was signing books. I was signing my book of two hours I signed books. Now people queuing up for two hours to get a signature on a on a piece of paper but more to spend a couple minutes talking to me and asking product questions and stuff sending after this I was am I allowed to swear. that. But. Yes. Often this book signing I was feeling seriously, very, very full of myself. So I worked across the courtyard at into this a lots of different tents that the festival is an international book festival absolutely brilliant Woolworth vesting as I went into the book sale and I was wondering around and I accept a couple of books and I went down on the cube. Sustaining in the queue behind this lady was holding my book the bigamist. site. Still feeling very, very cookie I this the shoulder I said that's my book you what we decided and she turned around and looked me up and down with disdain I went know. What's Behind this woman for the next ten minutes but to the grind to eat me up I was just. All, that sort of huge height of feeling. So arrogant villa myself I was cut off at the bees and I just started feeling site embarrass. Say Funny because they realized afterwards, the I must have come across to her like a complete nut nutcase I mean who expects the author of a book just about to by standing behind your leg some sort of literary stalker. Offering. So instead checking your D-. She just gave you a dressing down. To go hi. For the buck and so my fudge. Golfer. When Her. Okay. So During the ten minutes when you're waiting behind her in the line where you thinking. Should I tell her to look at my picture, but then you see Strange we're just get worse you just get worse and worse. Just, days because of the hip spin at. Of of. Share somewhere in the world as a woman you know from the international who's telling the story to someone else inside you won't believe this the weird thing happened to me. Actually colder known I was. Oh my goodness that is crazy the. Some great times you ever heard of in Rankin. I have heard the name refresh me very famous. Scottish writer. Anyway he was in the Office tent at the Book Festival one year. The wonderful thing about being an author when you get get the office because you get to meet all these amazing authors to me, they're rockstars. Just Fan girling that would be Tho- incredible Jasper I but you have to hide it. Of course you have to play it cool. Thing is about what people generally recognize him so that the name but not necessarily what they look like us I've met people like Jacqueline Wilson. I've met Sean Connery I've met very interesting wolf is I've met the tech that I marcel through various bill but I was standing in the office tent having a glass of wine. Buffet and everything was I took into a few people. In rankin was there and he's got a disabled some and we were chatting away I didn't know it was The he's. Oh. Yes. Really awfully spent ages trying to get a babysitter I couldn't babysitter ended up meeting Spanish goal I'm going to come and Babysit for me. Okay that's that's good and he said well, I said, well, you know it's interesting. Isn't it that we spend our todd telling our children to be wearing a strangers smile. We pay them come into highest. surprised. That they. GotTa go. Go to stages you put that in my head. That's what I realized. That was even rankin. You know dear. My. Gosh. You're not wrong. All these wonderful things I mean I've been on TV I've lost can't how many times I've done about thirty or forty radio shows? I get to go on stage Jon Ronson and talk to audiences a two thousand and make them off about psychopaths do all these things. I. Wouldn't have been able to do. All these things haven't lived through literary so I don't credit him for it, but we are not defined by the awful things happen to us would defined by how we deal with the awful things happen to us. And how we rise Nashes of anything that happens analyze how we end up feeding about ourselves. So I've had that opportunity to rise from ashes and that I will always be grateful for you can't change. The past can change the future because of what you do today. But you can't change the past and you can't affect the future you can only act today. So like that's something that's really important. So many people try and live in the past or you know the anchor to the pasta than embarrassment or the rank the happy things happen to in the past that the night bemoaning don't exist anymore happening. So people living in the past are always going to be a somewhat unhappy people living in the future who just trying to chase their dream? Yes. Have a goal. Yes. I have a dream but have a dream that you're putting into action today because if you're living in the future that nothing is ever good enough right now. So you live in the now forgive yourself all past transgressions and just go. Okay. Well, if I learnt from it, what can I do? Y- There's a lovely thing about if you get knocked back in this world, you could either full over or you can actually deal with it like it's a string of a bow and your the Arrow. Yes you fall back. You're allowed to just throw you further forward than you could ever possibly come before. and. That's the way. I see life we do have awful things happen to us and to to people all the time, the pandemic that has hit. So badly on had people in lockdown. 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WHO's a partition intelligence offset trying to catch up and as absolutely brilliant. It's so good 'cause you often find in films and TV at the. site. Best particularly, ten years ago is getting better than I actually possibly because people like me signing up talk about it, but they used to so to give a a story about a psychopath like the talented Mr Ripley is a story about a psychopath, but the end ends up with him shedding a tear for something if you have somebody who is a psychopath, a such, they would not have those kinds of emotions more likely to be see them practicing and Amirah trying to shut down here. Then you would see in private on the right you know how? When, if Yawn in a group for people the more empathic, you are the more likely you are to you on as well. So psychopath. Were you on other people do oh, interesting Oh that's Oh. That's like a sneaky little litmus test unless they know that they're supposed to. Yon. which they do. Very. Good if making a well. Trained in medicine and so it kind of ruins a lot of things I think now Hollywood, why didn't you just call me up and asked me to consult I wouldn't charge much. Just realistic. There are a lot of people on this earth with medical knowledge in the entertainment is just ruined I, mean sometimes, I can say, okay, Joanne just enjoy it. But sometimes I'm like they're not even pronouncing that word correctly they've just broken the spell for me. It's so frustrating. So I'm sure the thing happens to you when you're watching any kind of piece of entertainment that supposed to be depicting path. Yeah. The Best Betrayal I've seen recently of a psychopath is a horror film. So you have to have a pretty strong stomach tha wanted to watch it, but it's called the House that Jack Built. It's very clever because he's told from the psychopaths point of view. So all the victims around the them and it is like to accept to meek how easily he manages to manipulate the victims. It's not that they're stupid is just the that's from his perspective psychopaths see themselves as predators and the prey on rather light. The Wolf doesn't ready respect the sheep they think of the Morello. FETIG. Will Jordan Mayak's won't stand Ryan somebody else one of his victims in the US and said that he realized messed with the wrong woman when best with me. Yes because I didn't stay silent because I did speak up because I've not been embarrassed because they depend on that they depend on you not calling my a not talking by to knock public he missed radio me going out means that new victims when they do their search online, find my book they find me they find my website that contact. May We talk I put them in touch the other victims we've actually go to facebook rape of his victims. Really Wow, we're able to cut a plot when he goes to court another woman who sees manage to find us you know we get nine ten women writing from all over the world to the judge saying this is also one off. Don't take this lightly you are looking out for each other that is amazing. You are the one who pulled that trigger because no one else was talking. Exactly, that's what they depend on though is that the first rule of any abuser is keeping victims silent if you can stop your victim from talking, then you can carry on as an abuser to go onto the next victim at Cetera. So it's their interests that we stay embarrassed and stay silent and that that worked for him while you're in it because. I remember you saying you were worried about endangering your loved ones. So you kept quiet when you thought you were going through this really terrible terroristic situation. Yes. I was led to believe that if I talked about this, I would put other people at danger again, playing on my empathy to keep me in line if you ever GonNa situation where you feel you. Can't took somebody tests than that in itself should be red flags. That's right. That's time we should talk somewhat about the thing is if you don't talk to people, you can't make sense of what's going on in your head. That's right. It's much more easy to manipulate someone if they're not allowed to talk about it because they can't articulate on actually get get. A grip on what resorts where they are. So it's a very confusing think about how many times that you have explained a problem that you're having to someone else and the minute you explain it it's like the pieces fall into place differently in your head and all the sudden. You might not even need help solving the problem you've solved by speaking about it. Or talk about a dream when you actually start to sell somebody a dream, you suddenly realize what to buy because. It's very, very much the opposite of that. You know you not allowed to talk about him because you're not the only took to buy them. You take on what they're saying you take on their philosophy America mentality around it or the one that tries day is called gas lighting and it's a very, very effective where controlling people. So if you have a feel, you have to say silence about something then find someone talks about it because that's really yeah it. It doesn't have to be a loved one if you're worried about endangering a loved one because you're not sure whether it's true or not. Then find somebody completely objective priest pastor at counselor someone and just so. The bus stop. Yes. You just might make their day. Anybody even just DAB. If you're writing somebody died when you've got to kind of make sense of it. If you're writing something down that. You not even have to share it with anyone else as you ride get dyed guy but that doesn't make sense than you can not relationship better, but it is better to someone because then they generally ask questions you haven't necessarily sort of yes. But if the talked so women, right it data see what happens and. Sometimes that tool just bring around new thoughts. New Perspective. Yeah. Questions in your own mind. Would you be willing to share one surprising thing about you that nobody would be able to tell just by looking can I think about it then tropes? So much of an open book of Osha I play Chess. Actually, I'll tell you the story that is publicly known and I haven't told off, and that is that when I first went public with my story, I had a lot of people commenting how stupidest this woman by like she must be really thick to of believe the story and I looked what? I'm not sure I am not stupid but I actually quite like, no quite how not stupid I am. So I don't know if you've heard of it but an organization called MENSA. Yes. The IQ society. So you can do an Iq tests with Mensa. They only ask you to join Menzer if you're in the top ten of your country. So I thought would be really nice to actually do an IQ testify nights exactly where I fit in all of this and so I did the IQ tests and Nita to say I wasn't in the top two percent. I was in the top one. Zero it's not a sign of intelligence. Let's just be clear about this. Like Iq test it's your ability to solve problems. That is my superpower whatever I have the ability. So problems with wildlife things like chess while like brain teasers and stuff but I really did pick the wrong lady to tango with. All right. Well, tell our listeners where to find. You can find me on facebook just Mary on Thompson. You can find me on twitter on the bigamist book. You can find me on my website, which is Maritime Thompson, dot com on its Thompson without a P.. The dry kind as we save Scotland. People Potency Patera yeah. Marion IRA talking before we started recording night when I hopped on I. Thought she was there and I said hello and then I heard water and I thought Oh my gosh, she's going just going potty but then it turns out she was just partner self something to. The discussion, the going Coty doesn't mean the same to her as it does me tell. What what does it mean on your side of the ocean and also the ocean going potty means you're going mad it means you're going nuts this. This also things are different. What's politically your listeners are but the what trump in Scotland for instance means Fart. House for generations. With any character, it just means art. Is. Quite funny when he's President Fart. Mary this was so much fun. Thank you so so much for being with me and telling your story. Are you very welcome? It's been so much fun. Actually I really enjoyed talking to you. 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Target USA -- Episode 151: David Whelan speaks out about his brother's arrest on espionage charges in Russia

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Target USA -- Episode 151: David Whelan speaks out about his brother's arrest on espionage charges in Russia

"From podcast one coming up in this episode of target USA. On our previous episode. We promised the second half of our interview with F B I Washington field office assistant director in charge. Nancy McNamara, but due to a quickly developing story, we need to change topics. The second half of the MacNamara interview will be presented in the next few weeks. In the meantime, on December twenty eighth 2018, Paul Whalen, or former US marine and citizen of the US disappeared in Russia. Three days later, he turned up in a Russian prison arrested for allegedly committing espionage. What was he doing there? What was the basis for the charges is he a pawn in a political tug of war between the US and Russia? Nobody wants to see a citizen locked up in this way. You know, we're we're ten days past defect that he was allegedly spy. We have no charges officially from the Russian government that detail. Exactly what that means we in which elements of the actor they talking about. And so that it's all very concerning. The the lack of information. In an extensive interview target USA spoke with Huilan's twin brother, David and got answers to all these questions. Some of them may surprise you. But after you, listen, there will be no doubt. Just how serious this situation is coming on. This addition of target USA. National security podcast. From WTO in Washington DC. This is target USA. Russia could render huge arm to this country North Korea's secret missile capable of reaching the whole of the United States dangerous terrorists DC is repeatedly mentioned some place. They would like to see an attack cyber criminal successful America as a target on its back and on this program. We investigate the threats the people behind them, the agencies fighting them and the impact on you. This is target USA be national security podcast. I'm Jay Jay green this program, as you know, is called target USA. And as we always say whether its terrorists anarchist, cybercriminals or nation states America has a target on its back, and we investigate the threats facing the US the people behind them the agencies fighting them and their impact on Americans. Unfortunately, US citizens are often targeted by foreign actress just because they are American that appears to be what happened in the case of Paul Whalen. He went to Moscow from his home in Michigan in late December and hasn't returned yet. Because he's in one of the nastiest prisons on the planet known for cold showers, intense, interogations and extreme isolation. A staple of the Cold War and the KGB he's charged with espionage. Something is family, and the US government says is ridiculous. The way it all happened could easily be and I'm willing to bet eventually will become the storyline for a blockbuster spy movie. So in order to get the answers about what happened. We went to the best source. We could find his twin brother, David. Thank you again. David for joining us and for the benefit of our listeners who may not be familiar with all of the details of the story. Your brother Paul is involved in now he was traveling in Russia in December. And on the twenty eighth of December understand something odd happen catches up on what he was doing there. And what took place on the twenty eighth which you're still dealing with. Now. January ninth twenty nineteen what took place at that time on December twenty second Paul flew into Moscow. He was visiting to participate in a wedding an American friend of his former marine. Like Paul was having a wedding ceremony there and had brought over his American family and has Paul to attend the wedding as well since Paul had been to Russia a few times in the past and to help guide the Americans around the sites to sort of help them to navigate Moscow. So he was in the city. He was doing some sightseeing. He was visiting some friends and participating in this wedding party. And then on the twenty eighth after having participated that morning in it tour of the Kremlin armory with the people who are attending the wedding. He he just disappeared. He didn't attend the wedding which occurred that night and the groom attempted to contact him after the wedding was over. And there was no response from which is extremely uncharacteristic. So the groom reach out to us over the weekend. Let us know that he noted seen him or heard from him since Friday. And so we started looking to find out. What information we could on Monday morning on the twenty eighth? We found. On the thirty first I found that he had been detained. I found a Russian ministry statements aimed at Paul Whalen had been detained for espionage. And it's now been I guess almost ten days since he was detained and about a week since we were able to make contact with him at Lefortovo prison. So now, you learned about the fact that he was missing from his friend and you learn about the Russian arrest of from the Russian statement. How again did you come into that statement? How did you find that statement? I'm a librarian. So I got up first thing in the morning, and I got on the internet and started searching for things like American killed in Moscow American car-crash, Moscow that sort of thing and. Eventually came across. The news wires that were reporting that he had been detained. Would you feel when you saw that? A mixed emotions. Frankly, we were glad I was glad and Italy contacted the rest of my family that he was alive as far as we could tell so that was a positive thing. But then immediately your with the I guess horror is the best word that some member of your family's been detained in Russia on charges that are obviously very serious. And you know, the story about his arrest legendary being in a hotel room with somebody. He was charged with espionage and supposedly was in that hotel room with somebody and came into possession to the possession of a USB stick with classified information regarding people who are or were part of the Russian intelligence or military services. Do believe that story. Do I believe that he was in the possession of it? I could see how that might happen. Do I believe he was probably in trapped into having that in his possession. I think that's much more likely. I don't think Paul would have been the sort of person who would have risked. Espionage or spying in Russia. Even the experts are very careful about that sort of thing in Paul Paul listen to spy he's a tourist. And so even though he's risk-aware from his background in law enforcement and the military. I don't think that he would have willing or knowingly accepted any sort of information that would have caused him to break a law like the espionage act. What do you think he he was essentially railroad at this way? What I've been scratching my head. And we've been surprised by some of the information that's come out about Paul's background. We didn't know about his bad conduct discharge from the marines, for example. And yet each time at a rock is turned over. And we learned something new I saw that the the Russian media peers to be looking at his interest in tea glass holders on the trains, and apparently had a collection of those. You just find something that sounds more and more incredible. That, you know, whoever this person is, and I know him as my brother brother, but obviously there's a lot. I don't know about him. He's he's not a spy it terms of his travel to Russia. There seems to be some concern on your part in terms of what's being reported about it. You know, they're they're been reports that he traveled extensively in Russia. But if I remember correctly, I think you said in a correspondence a couple of days ago today being the ninth of January twenty nineteen that to your knowledge is only been there two or three times. Yes. In fact, we've been able to find a couple more times. But I think it's only still five or six that we've been able to confirm, and we're still looking to see in case he had been there more often. But for me, that's not many or significant when you consider that over the last thirty years, he's traveled extensively to many many different countries to within Europe to our relatives. In the UK. He's been to India. He's been to. I believe he's been to Japan. I know he's been to Korea. So he's he's really traveled very extensively. And so the the focus on his Russian trips and portraying him as some sort of Russophile just scenes very different from the the person I knew or even based on the the activities that he was doing that. I would have considered labeling him. Yeah. There's a lot that confirms in corroborates. What you're saying about your brother, including this development the other day where we learned that he had several different passports, a US passport, a British passport, a Canadian passport Irish. And you know, some have tried to. Some people not very well educated about spying have tried to weave that into this idea that he might have had those passports for those reasons, but the story is very different, isn't it? It is I think he had four passports under four different names and head sort of secreted them in some sort of case, I guess maybe that would be so Jason Bourne spying, but Paul and I were born in Canada to British parents. And so we were born with two passports in two citizenships. My parents had emigrated from Britain and my dad's dad had emigrated from Ireland to Britain. So when Paul emigrated to America, he was able to naturalize he wanted to do that in order to be to work in law enforcement, he naturalized, and he so he got his third citizenship that way, and then when the Irish changed a law that allowed grandchildren to get an Irish passport he thought it would be I think a way to honor his heritage. But there's it's all in his own name. He hasn't done anything peculiar excel. But perhaps to people who only have maybe one pass border or maybe only to to have four maybe seem strange, and it's interesting, David, you mention this because I think it's all somewhere that he and your sister have sort of a friendly competition regarding passports is that true. No. I don't think that's accurate. I've seen the same thing. I think the the word game was used. And I think that that's not the that's not what we meant by it or not what my siblings by it. I think when the law was changed. It was much more of which one of us could get one I between the two of them. But it wasn't that they were trying to get additional passports beyond the four that they were legally allowed to attain and I never looked to to get one myself. And I'm not sure that my brother my other brother did. So I think it's one of the things that it's just a word out of context, we didn't mean to have Paul's interest, or frankly, my sister's interest in citizenship to sound flippant or that it was not a value valuable thing. Do you know, I can imagine your parents. Are probably going through it right now. If if you don't mind me asking just for a little bit of context on how they're doing. I think they're doing amazingly. Well, we seem to for whatever reason be resilient family. I mean, unfortunately this morning, I had a contact from a reporter who said we've heard that police are executing search warrants, and and normally you would just say that's completely ludicrous. But now, I've got a call my parents and ask them, you know, is this happening, and it isn't. But you just so you're in that sort of thing where you're trying to protect them as much as you can from the the stories and the rumors and speculation and also the Frank uncovering of information about their son's life that they didn't know either. While at the same time doing your best to to help Paul into get him back back to the USA now back to Paul. What's your sense of how he's doing? The embassy has had one visit with him. That's all they've been allowed. So far the American embassy, and he sounds like he's as well as he could be considering that he's in detention. I think they've had a medical check of on him just to confirm what his medical condition is. And we were able to receive information and instructions from him from that first meeting, and that was when he requested consular access from these other three countries interestingly spoke yesterday today with Canadians and the British and they say that they have expressed interest in in the process of trying to schedule constant visits with with him. But, you know, interestingly David the word they both used or the words they both used were very concerned, quote, very concerned about your brother. What to your knowledge would be the reason to be very concerned is it because of this, obviously, you know, there's a reason to be concerned because he's he was arrested for something that you believe he didn't do. But is there any reason to believe that his life or his health might be in jeopardy? I don't think there's a concrete reason for it. I'm not saying that I want to suggest that we aren't concerned we are concerned. I think really the reason is not that we think that there's a particular reason that it could happen. But it that we have no details about why he's in there. And so the arbitrariness I think is is why we're all very very concerned about Paul's condition. It's not it's not that we know that he has under particular risk that. But that he's just under a completely arbitrary is. We don't know where whatever. Threat is not quite the word. I mean, but whatever issue he's under whatever cloud. He's underwear. That's where that's coming from. And I think that's the problem is that, you know, expand this past Paul who is obviously some rather odd. Duck assays what I've seen him described as to any American who's traveling to Russia are any British person or Canadian or Irish citizen. Nobody wants to see a citizen locked up in this way. You know, we're we're ten days past the fact that he was alleged allegedly spy, we have no charges officially from the Russian government that detail exactly what that means we in which elements of the espionage act or they talking about. And so that it's all very concerning. The the lack of information. Bencze David Whelan, his brother Paul as in Russian custody. No formal charges have been filed but rushing with authorities claim he's a US spy David says, he thinks it's likely brother was trapped and that he scratching his head about much of what he's heard about the case when we come back. We'll discuss the place his brother is being held which is one of the toughest prisons on the planet and some of the bizarre things taking place behind the scene including him ending up with the Russian speaking lawyer. I think what strange about it is that Paul is in porta and didn't have his glasses. When the American embassy staff met with him. And so they were able to translate a request that Paul could have his glasses and yet Mr. issuer Bianca doesn't speak English. And so it would just seemed to be very strange choice for someone to hire lawyer who doesn't speak his own language. That's coming up when we return. The national security podcast. Imagine the home you've always known sinking into oblivion community away of Virginia island population. Four hundred sixty is being swallowed by the Chesapeake Bay the first full fledged town that's probably going to get lost horizon. America can disaster be stopped. Should it? Be shell the Lord destroy Tien Gier going under the story of Tange ear island available on podcast one. I tunes and at going under podcast dot com. This is a target USA moment episode one the show that started it all. Almost every morning. You're in Washington directorate, national intelligence goes to the White House to brief the president about the threats and the challenges the US face it. It's called the president's daily briefing and Clamper gave us a look at his office at how he gets prepared to do that. But for three and start right away and reading the news clips, and that sort of thing get the car protective detail brings me in. And I start reading the ipad, we have president's daily brief and Clapper who's been gathering intelligence for more than a half century. This what he's seeing now is not good fifty plus years. Don't know time we've been beset by a more diverse array of challenges and crises around the world. Sometimes it all almost makes you long for the house in days of the Cold War and a single all consuming adversaries, so you which we came to understand pretty well. This has been a target USA moment episode number one down LeVine. Relive. I'm Jay Jay green in this his target USA the national security God cast on this episode. We've been talking with David Whelan, his twin brother poll, a former US marine disappeared in Russia on December twenty eighth and he's been telling us how this simply doesn't add up. That is brother is not a spy and their efforts to get him back home. Now, we continue our story with him telling us about where his brother is being held and the possibilities for him being released. One of the things that we've we've heard as well is is that he is in the four Tova prison. What do you know about that prison? I just know what everybody else knows by reputation. It's it appears to be a very nasty place to be. I don't know that I would wish it on my enemy, let alone on my brother right early. So you mentioned some time ago that there might be a chance for your brother to get out of prison on bail of you heard anything about that. No. I've just seen the accounts that were in the press that his lawyer has filed motions on his behalf and that apparently avail motions part of that. But I'm not sure how that would work and considering that we have no information that the deputy foreign minister appears said that there are no charges being laid yet. I guess I don't have high hopes that even if bail is considered that they would grant it because they don't seem to be interested in having any communication about his case. And speaking of communication, I with your lawyer understanding. Based on some communications from you. You had a bit of difficulty communicating with his lawyer. Well, it was a strange situation. And and I think that some of the things I said about Mr Sharon being have been misinterpreted. I don't I'm not I don't know anything about his competence or his ability as a lawyer. So I'm leaving that aside we had understood when we we were in a seventy two hour window between when we learned that he'd been detained on that Monday and Wednesday when the American embassy was able to go and see him. And so during that time, we did what we could understand what the process would be in the process. We understood was that the embassy would proffer a list of recommended not recommended. I'm sorry proffer list of English-speaking lawyers to Paul and that he could then select from that list or make a request to us to help him to to find council. And so we were surprised when the American staff got there and Paul essentially already selected somebody it just seemed very it was unusual. It was not how expected the process to to work. What do you think he did that? Well, I'm still not one hundred percent sure that Paul did Seles. Him. At least, you know, in the way that we expect a again, I don't have any details about that. I think what's strange about it is that Paul was in LaPorta and didn't have his eyeglasses when the American embassy staff met with him. And so they were able to translate a request that Paul could have his glasses and yet Mr. Bianca doesn't speak English. And so it would just seem to be very strange choice for someone to hire lawyer who doesn't speak his own language. You get the sense that that lawyer was appointed. I don't really have any details. Either way. It's it's just it's just one of the many many odd things that have come up in this case what else is in that case that you have come across. Well, I think just the idea of someone like Paul who lives, I think so openly on social media and travel so extensively that he would be selected as someone who could potentially be a spy. The other part of the communications piece there there's been some discussion about the fact or the possibility that he might actually be upon. Do you agree with that idea? You know, it's hard to know. I saw the Kremlin spokesman. I think his name was Mr. peskov speak today or yesterday about how the Russians don't use ponds. And I've seen the the discussion in the press about how he is upon and, you know, I it's really hard to know with Maria Bhuttan is case happening. So recently with the arrest of Mr. Makarenko in north Marietta's. You know, there are a lot of pieces at appear to be in play that could be related, but from our perspective, it's mostly a distraction from trying to focus on Paul and Paul's needs and and getting Paul home. All right. So we've talked quite a bit about the situation and how this all happened. And you know, what what what's what's going on to some degree? So I'd like to hear from you for a little bit about what you would like the public and everyone to know one about your brother about the situation and about what you want done. Well, I think what I want people to know is that Paul obviously has things in his pass it he. Isn't or shouldn't be proud of. But that also he has worked very very hard to reinvent himself multiple times he had reached a point in his life. We're both middle aged for twins in our late forties where he'd he got the kind of lifestyle in the jobs that he wanted. He was doing the sort of work you liked and doing the traveling enjoyed and I think that the the whole spy cast of of Paul Whalen, is is overshadowing the fact that he was just really someone who did work. You liked and traveled a lot. And I think that that that Paul is the Paul that we wish people could see from an from a next steps perspective. I think one of the concerns we have ongoing is there seems to be a lack of information flow from the Russian government. So we I've been asked a number of times about things that I just can't speak to because we don't have any idea secretary Pompeo into last week that once new more about the charges if they weren't appropriate than policy brought home, but I think that even at those levels. There doesn't seem to be this sort of information flow that you would expect. And there have been comments in the press that the Russians would normally have shown their evidence or discuss the case more there's been radio silence on their part too. So I think we would hope that whatever levers of government can be used would start that information flow. So that we can all understand better. Why Paul's in the position he is. Speaking of information flow, have you heard much from the State Department? How often are they in touch with you all regularly? I I would guess even daily Paul has three siblings. And so we've we split the workload. I'm trying to raise his profile and keep his story covered. So that you all can talk about his detention. I've got a my sister is focused on working with contacting congress people in senators and my other brothers dealing with the embassy. And so we are getting regular updates perhaps almost daily updates from people at the embassy in Moscow on either Paul's condition last week or since then. On activity such as contracts with the the other embassies, which the Americans will coordinate and other things like trying to get a power of attorney signed get trying to get the Privacy Act waiver signed things like that. Conditions or medical concerns that you worry about at this point. Not really I think I mean, he's he's a late forties fellow. He's he's probably got ailments. None of which should really cause many medical concern. Yeah. We all do that. I understand if you were at this point to have an opportunity to speak with the Russian government. What would you say to them? Boy, that's a tough one. I mean. Wanna put you in a tough spot. But if you had a message he would like the Russian government to here, and they will I can guarantee you hear this. What would you like for them to hear what what would you like to say? I think I would say that if Paul isn't a pawn in a political game. Then there must be a much clearer reason for him to have been arrested, and I would hope for them to to look at that reason. Either to explain it to us or accept that a mistake was made and do the honorable thing. And let him go like they would let anybody who was charged mistakenly charged with a crime, let him go and allow them to come home, are you and your family considering going there? We are not no we aren't sure about the resources required to defend Paul in criminal court in in Moscow, the cost of lawyers and things like that. And so we're marshalling whatever resources we have right now to do the to the work from the the United States. The extent we can until there comes a point where visit might be might have some value to pulse case. You know, it's interesting you mentioned, you're you're you're in the law business in. I'm sure that is a very very beneficial thing to have right now. How's that help you? Well, I I run one of the biggest law libraries in in Ontario. So I've got access to stuff which has been good. So it's meant that I've been able to get quick access to things like the the appellate decision in his bad conduct discharge to research. The Russian criminal code and the procedural code for criminal courts in Russia to extent that has been translated. You know, it helps me to understand if if people are talking about the espionage act, then I can help to translate some of that for my family where they might otherwise be at sea for the rest of us, and we will just sort of conclude this in a couple of moments for the rest of us the. He was traveling there with some friends and supposed to be a part of of of a wedding party didn't make it to the wedding party. What happened with the rest of the folks that were there that he was there with? As far as I understand, they're fine. We've been in some limited contact with them. And and the groom has been in contact with US embassy in Moscow, and we've just been trying to be very careful with his information to try not identify for his privacy really end as soon I think at one once he's back in the states. We're hoping that he will speak up an either through private channels or publicly validate that Paul was at this wedding merely as a friend merely as tourist and the entire weaving of the the spy persona is is a is a red herring. Anything you want to add that I haven't asked you about that. You think is important. No, I think you've really covered covered where we are. I think until the information released to flow about what Paul's against we're we're hoping that the for governments will keep an eye on Paul and that hopefully behind the scenes things are happening that will help them to come home quickly. Do you believe you're getting enough help from the government here? So far. Yes. I'm I try and focus on a my professional expertise and ice in that other people are using their professional expertise. And that includes the people in the government who are engaged both of the on the legislative side in the executive side where agencies are are focused on Paulin, and we have gotten confirmation or assurances from people like in or Huntsman. And so on that people are engaged in Paul's issue. So I've I've faith that they are doing what they can. And certainly we are confident or comfortable with the sport. We've had from the American embassy. Absolutely. Finally, a message to your brother. What would you say doing right now? I would tell him to stay strong and be patient. And I mean, I know that he understands how serious issue is. And to know that we care about him that will bring them home assumes weekend. Thank you so much. We appreciate it. And we do as as I've told you several times send our thoughts and prayers to you and your family for your brother being in this situation and your family. Situation and the situation and we hope with resolve itself. Very soon. Thank you very much JJ. Appreciate the time to be beauty. David Whelan talking with us about his brother Paul's case. We'll bring you all the details regarding it as they developed and in the process coming up on our next episode of target USA the Russians say Paul Whalen is an undercover spy for the US. But a woman who was a CIA covert agent says he's not spy material, and what the Russians are up to his plain old revenge. Russians are advanced sticking their finger in our eye. They are dairy upset that miss be Tina, the Russian national who has been indicted on charges of interference with the NRA election process, and so forth and is being held in the United States. They they don't like that at all. So this may be their kid for tat Valerie plane, a former CIA. A covert officer says this could be one of the biggest and most provocative developments since the crumbling of the Soviet Union and the so-called end of the Cold War. Absolutely. It's a shot across the Dow. Because again, if you're doing legitimate business in Moscow in Russia, and you can just be pulled off the street as this guy was. That'll shut that down. Right right away. We really are entering in many ways a second Cold War. That's coming up on our next addition as always, thank you. Sincerely for taking your time to listen to us. I really do. Appreciate your support. Please subscribe to our podcast. And if you have an idea some information, you want to share with us about a possible story reach out to us. You can find us on Twitter at t- USA podcast. That's tango. Uniform Sierra alpha podcast. You can communicate with us directly. And we can provide secure communications instructions for you in the process. 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