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Imara Jones: Be brave even when you think you cant.

The Brown Girls Guide to Politics

25:05 min | 1 year ago

Imara Jones: Be brave even when you think you cant.

"Welcome back Brown girls. Ashanti here the founder of the broncos Guy to politics, the one stop shop podcast for women of color who wants to hear and talk about the world of politics. As we continue with our collaboration with she the people. Highlighting Women from their twenty women of Color to watching twenty twenty list. These are all barrier-breaking women? Kerr changing the political landscape this year and beyond. ME. Amara Jones the creator of Trans Lash Docu series about the lives of transpeople color. Amara to connect those stories to what is happening in society today? Amara. Thank you so much for joining us today. How are you I'm well? How are you doing good during this time I'm so just thrilled to talk to you about all the work day. You're doing I've admire you from a bar, so just really excited for this conversation into. Have you on the podcast? So my first question for you is what was the moment that really drove you into doing community worm well first of all. Thank you for your introduction and thank you for having me. What I'm drove me into community work I think. I think I feel. Compelled to do the work that I do. Feel compelled to do the work that I do is. I have a very clear sense of I think. Where we need to go and what needs to be done and that? As a part of being alive, I have a responsibility to help I love that last part just that sense of responsibility in your just such an inspiration to other women who are some of the folks that inspired you to do the work you do today. Where my mother like all like mini women I have a complicated or too complicated relationship with my mother, but my mother undoubtedly. In, so many different ways I think the black women and my family writ large black women throughout the world's. Have inspired me. I think beyond that just so many inspirations rations of women who do have done amazing things not only now, but in the past. I think Kereta Sky King is amazing. Vastly underrated pivotal. In so many different things I, think queen hardships it. who was the WHO was one of the most successful pharaohs an Egypt? She was a woman she had herself declared a man. In order to be Phero is amazing. I think. Elizabeth I of England despite. Also very complicated history with Africa and Africans, but even in those roles I think they're just so many ways and examples throughout history, and throughout the world of a black women who lead and Hooghly powerfully, and who lead with integrity, and there's actually no shortage of inspiration or ampoules I. Just not everything that you're saying there is just so many women, especially black women who are inspirational. You're one of those women in kind of WANNA shift now to dive into your background of storytelling. You are an amazing communicator. You have emmy awards. You had peabody awards, but what? What I really want to highlight is your work with trans. Lash wet drove you to create that in really eight, the platform of telling the stories of the Lgbtq Community I. It's so fascinating, because honestly I'm one of those people who have more interested in other people that I am interested in myself, which is weird to be a public person in this, because it's very much associated with you value in your voice in some ways above others, and that's not actually the way that I work or move in the world, so I had to be pushed to do. Is Boot is the short answer. I had to be convinced by people that I trust that I'm telling my story was a way to tell other people stories, and that that could be used to leverage and humanize and expand power for trans. People Specifically Trans people of Color, so I had to be coaxed into it to start with my own story. Right of that's how actually transmit started was me saying what is it like to be me in this moment in history? Because this is a moment in history, right even more so now, but we're living in the unit time. What is it like to actually be alive in this moment and to be? And, in this moment to be a Japan's woman of color to be transparent women right now in this extreme moment of social of extreme social backlash, but also unique visibility, and what is that pressure like in one of the things driving that and from that I was able to tell the stories of of other people in our community, and from that has grown. A based Cross Platform, multimedia storytelling project, and that aims on centering the humanity of chance people with specifically transpeople color so very interesting that I had to value myself I before I could really began to connect you my word. That was really power fall I want to dive in quickly. You know you just talked about valuing yourself valuing other people. You did something really monumental last year. The UN, they actually hosted their first event on gender, diversity and Non Binary de's and you helped lead that event. Can you tell us? How did all of that come together in? What was it like moderating a conversation life that for the UN obviously very powerful organization, but also how do you think is going to impact how the U. N. and other organizations do their work going forward with the algae bt Q. Community? It's really interesting. Right hot at one of the ways that came about is that the head of you and women is actually a black woman. She's a black from South Africa right so again it's. Goes back to where we started. which is that innumerable examples of leadership of black women who changed the world? We could spend the whole broadcast during that. So how did that come about it about? You know it's really fascinating for me. Because this is one of the examples of how a Hawaiian internal pressure over a long period of time by people who you've never heard of and whose names you will never know can actually be one of the ways that bring about change because we often think about just being something that is. That comes about through this master direct pressure, right? We think about change that comes through noise and revolutions, but the way that this came about is that there was a small group of people, maybe four by people inside of of. Women who really fought for this over time and they've been connected to the broad based global UN group on Lgbtq. And connected with another working group inside of the U., N.. A. Member states that care about these issues chaired by the United Kingdom and Argentina and Formed a cluster that then works very quietly as I say many years to make this happen, and that's how it came about and what happened how I ended up chairing the meeting leading the meeting. Is that they none of the parties could agree on anyone to lead it no one. Could come to terms on like who that person should be and I know someone who works at the UN who put my name forward, and they looked into my background and we're like okay. She's the one so that's how it came about in. Can you tell us monitoring in that conversation? Is there anything in that really just still sticks out to you? Until this day that came out of it took place in the second largest room in the United Nations, so the largest room is the room that you always see the general assembly room, which holds probably four or five thousand people. This took place in. Another room. They're just down the hall from there, which holds about about a thousand people? I was told when I got in there that they were going to be three hundred people in the room. They're actually ended up being seven hundred, so it was a massive meaning, and it was a massive global meeting, which I think was was really powerful about it. What came out of it? I think several things I think one of the things that struck me in that struck so many other people was just the degree to which the United States actually is a hinderer right now in the expansion of rights around gender. Overall, gender! Identity. And non binary expression how we often think of the United States as a leader and human rights, but that very much within the United Nations now the United States seen very much as an impediment. It's actually blocking progress. That was a huge shocker. I think secondly just the degree of energy within the developing world particularly so many interesting things that are happening in Africa around gender gender identity gender expression on the rights of Transpeople, the rights of women, the connection between between the rights of women, Lesbians and Trans People that people are beginning to realize across Africa's really powerful and the third thing I think that's come out of it. Is that the United? Nations is beginning to institutionalize. Series of positions to be able to make sure that over the long term that many of the things that we spoke about in the meeting are sustained so for instance I'm you and women at has actually hired in the last year. A person who is reporting to the most senior person on administratively in the organization to work on gender gender identity issues in the first time. They've ever had that position, so there's so many things that came out of it. That's amazing. 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That's Madison Dash Reed Dot Com. You said you have also just been very outspoken. As well about all of the Black Trans Women who have been murdered and we actually saw the conversation ally on the campaign trail. During the twenty twenty presidential election cycle, there were a lot of candidates who brought it up, and then you actually start to see more of the discussion happening particularly on social media, so for our listeners, who may not be familiar with what is happening. Can you tell us? US more about what is unfortunately happening with black translate women being murdered, frankly black, Brown, indigenous Trans Women being murdered, and what are things that we can do to help raise awareness on this issue. Many percents of all of the murders of transfer of the United States are Trans Women of color, and almost all of those, except for two last year, were black, transplanted and black. Trans Women in the United States are being murdered on a global scale. What do I mean by that? I mean that the United States has the highest numbers of recorded murders of of Black Trans Women. Are Women overall than any other country on the planet, except for Brazil and Mexico and almost all those people who were killed or black trades? The situation is so dire that the American Medical Association last year proclaimed the murders black trans women to be an epidemic close quote. That's their words, not not hyperbole, so it's hard to underestimate the level of violence that Black Trans Women are are facing in this country, and in the world and one of the things that I make about that. Is that the reason why black women are killed is because Black Trans women are. Black Trans. Women are seen as. A as being fem. People, and so fall under the rubric of FEMICIDE which we know global epidemic in the United States black. CISWOMEN so women who were assigned female at birth a black woman if she is murdered in the United States is murdered by a person who is most likely to be an intimate partner. Black women overall have the highest incidents of domestic and intimate partner violence than any other group of people in the country, and that tracks very closely to what happens to transfer most black trans women are murdered by their partners or people who have had intimate relationships with them. So. This than means that there's a high degree of of correlation between the violence. That Black Trans Women face and black women over all black ciswomen overall face, and that then means that there is common interest in jointly tackling the problem because the problem that's killing us is patriarchy that kids the still through the prism of race and power throughout intimate partners, and that's a community wide problem and the only way that we're going to solve. It is together. I WANNA touch a little bit too on health care were obviously unfortunately in the middle of the cogut pandemic, but you have been very outspoken about how slashing Medicaid. How lashing the affordable care act is just really will really be devastating to the Trans Community so. Can you tell us a little bit more about that? And if there's anything that we should know, that hasn't been reported in the media about how the Cova pandemic is impacting the trans community as it relates to health care so overall I mean healthcare is essential for transpeople. Because every study shows that the degree to which chance people are able to get the healthcare that we need in order to be holy ourselves right and I think that the thing that we need to realize is that chances a diagnose -able gender identity and medical sort of medical definition of being trans. They're also ones that are cultural that have nothing to do with medicine. What that means is that science has shown that there are treatment protocols that when they're implemented for Trans people extend our extend our life expectancy extend our quality of life and extend our ability to before human beings, and that can take the form of hormones or surgeries. Combined with various types of of. Talk therapy that together enabled us to be awful sales enabled us to close this gap between how our brains. And our bodies were wired one way versus what our gender is so. Therefore what we know is that when people receive those things that suicide down that people are be able to have full lives, so the denial of healthcare for trans, people and many ways is a death sentence for many quite frankly, and this administration has. Pursued one the rollback of rights across the board for transpeople, but access to healthcare, and is seeking right now to write trans people out of the civil rights laws of the country. There's a pending case before the Supreme Court. That the trump administration has advanced, which would mean that we would not have equal access to healthcare, and so that's why particular piece and with respect to covid. Yes, I mean so much of the Trans Healthcare. That I spoke about has been put holds because of Covid, and it's causing a tremendous amount of pain and pressure on amongst transpeople. I've seen lots of written. Lots of things written about that recently. Moreover. Transplant bar. How marginalized in so many different ways? The Cobra crisis has just accentuated all of the vulnerabilities, so your food security housing security economic security. And those automatically get translated into people's House so there's a lot that's going on in the area of Trans Health and when it comes to government, policy is really negative. One other thing I should say there's so much happening that right now. They're all these bills and. Statehouses across the country that had been introduced to deny. Trains adolescence the ability to be able to have access to healthcare, so there's a lot of pushback and it's highly negative, and it's hostile people their lives. We had hit on many topics, but I do want to ask. How can our listener support the work that you're doing well? We can go to transplant. Organs Subscribe to own newsletter. Follow us on. FACEBOOK also in these times we continue to report on a variety of issues As a matter of fact, in in May, we have a program coming up on the impact of covid nineteen on trends, since that was your last question, and so actually on our page as well. There's a donate button. If you feel so inclined to to support us that way, but I think I'm engaging artwork following US sharing it. Educating yourself on Trans Issues in the way, in which they enter site with issues of blackness and particularly black women than curb really essential. We talked Abou- A. Lot of women who have inspired you, and as a part of the she, the people twenty twenty list. You got to pick a plus one, so tell us about your plus Christo. Hudson. Plus workers again know I was really inspired by this idea of changing quiet right. Who are people who promote change that you never hear of Christmas? Kind of one of those people she is is right now the. Deputy Public Advocate in New York City. Before that she was the chief of staff to. Laurie Combo who. Is the majority leader on the city council, but what crystal has done in a variety of ways to help to mainstream and to make sure that lgbtq causes in general, receive the attention and resources. I think needs in the city. So one of the things she had to do was to help to build the first affordable housing unit in the city for Lgbtq people that's going to be in Brooklyn for example, and is really concerned about violence against Trans Women and is working to turn the public advocates office. Towards that issue issues around possibly training restaurant workers and other workers on issues of gender so that we lower. The type of violence that occurs with those interactions and a person that people will not widely have heard of. Had A big impact on people's lives, and so I was really in that frame of mind when I decided to to raise her up and then just. People I think allison, and every so every single of black women of color and she. The people are all. Incredible. Examples. I Some Okay and I want to close out with our signature question. What advice you have for the Brown girls out there listening, saying I want to be just like her. Be Braver even when think you can't. It takes a lot of courage to really be yourself. That's the only way that we're GONNA. Make a difference. And there's so many ways, and which as women you're taught to not be yourself, and that means that we're constantly working against ourselves, undermining our power and turning that over to someone else. Retried it that way for a long time now. And it's not working out so great, and so we need to build a fundamentally different society, in which women lead and that leadership, and the process of asserting leadership takes bravery and courage, and so I would say. Be Brave even when you think you can. Thank you Amara. That was beautiful. This has been such an inspirational interview. We appreciate you taking the time to chat with us. If you have a moment. Please take the time to rate and review. US wherever you listen to podcasts. Stay up to date with us on the BG Web site. WWW dot the BG guy dot Com. On our social, media facebook, instagram and twitter at the BG. Guide The podcast is produced by wonder me network. You can find them on Instagram at Wfan dot media and on twitter at wfan media. Until next time brown girls. Are you exhausted for training. Do everything perfectly. 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Miserable Fuck Series (#9 Don't Pee Over the Metaphorical Urinal)

The Angry Therapist Podcast

19:55 min | 3 months ago

Miserable Fuck Series (#9 Don't Pee Over the Metaphorical Urinal)

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The problem is god gave man a brain in a penis in only enough blood to run. One at a time robin williams. So if my book was a quote it would fall right in between these two number nine. Don't pure over the metaphorical urinal urinal so. At a young age we discover our penis and we become fascinated by it and by we. I mean men boys although it's always been there. We are suddenly intrigued and curious. We can't take it apart so we start playing with it. We realize it gives us pleasure a new exciting sensation it makes us feel powerful and subconsciously. We begin to associate penis with power. Nil score hits and requirement to change for gym class. Alerts us that penises. Come in all different. Sizes are power is now compared with other boys power. We go from feeling like superman to clark kantor. Maybe i should use i statements. Now we're taking an object and internalizing it to determine our worth this thought pattern brings us zaidi and makes us feel less than it is a pattern. Many young men struggle with and then continued to struggle with. Its it go through life. Then we discover porn and the massive penises. That come with it now. We're not even. Clark can't where the internet the daily planet and putting pushing milk carton dodging staplers sense. Changing our size is not an option and we try to make up for another ways in the classroom at work and on the court or with cars and houses and year end bonuses and then of course with women soon. We're comparing everything we have with. What toward other men. Have we become workaholics. Alcoholics we can't get it up anymore from the stressing zaidi. We lose the very thing that once made us feel powerful. So i've been secure about my opinions since i can remember Those examples above I mentioned are not random and security started in locker rooms comparing myself to other boys and of course I discovered porn at an early age because my parents are always at work. Which allowed me to do whatever i wanted. Watch whatever. i wanted eight. Whatever i wanted in a basically put a lighter fluid on my insecurity in remember when i got married in his. My marriage is falling apart. I blame my penis Even though my wife at the time assured me that she didn't have a problem with it. It wasn't until i was in my thirties. I was dating a girl from georgia and my outlook changed. She was the first woman after my ex wife who i expressed mine security too and she told me that she dated a guy right before a giant irish man with a arm between his legs. In what we think that this would make me feel more insecure about myself. But she went on to explain how she hated it. That it was too big and you can do anything with it in that it was always painful and of course the party that was like come on because of programming right and because of me seeing images and having Basically bodied this. Morpheus distorted body image. And so it turns out. She's being honest and she said that my penis was a quote unquote perfect. I think for her coming off of Pardon upon a guy with a baby arm in between his legs and then And then then experiencing me Maybe it was refreshing. Maybe for her You know that other extreme Was not good and then I my body was more like I dunno safe. I don't know what the word is. But i remember that. That was a point in my life. When i realized you know. It's not about the size in. Listen maybe for some women it is and that's you know to each their own but for me and always being kind of the runt. It was a late bloomer. Always always a like a big muscular kid growing up. I was always kind of you. Know not the tallest guy another shortest guy. Just somewhere in the middle you know and always being around locker rooms etcetera definitely distorted. My image of what a man should look like right physically and so of course then growing up in internalizing that and then of course the introduction of a porn and all of that stuff. So i think that boys define themselves by their size. And you know. I'm talking about specifically penises but are not. I'm using the penis as a metaphor. So whether we're talking about the of anything maybe maybe size means the price of your car or the height of your truck. Maybe size means the size of your paycheck. You know whenever you define your worth by something that is external whether we are talking about penis size or houses or a corner offices. it doesn't matter I think in that space there is ego and posturing and insecurity right and so i think boys live there and i think men are able to distance themselves. I think men are able to accept their bodies who they are. Also you know not tie. They're worth to external things like cars and houses. The odds question. 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I think part of it has to do with society locker. Rooms the shame right because these aren't conversations that men have Programming from things like pornography all of that translating into relationships sex the bedroom all of that stuff. Another thing that men do is we compare ourselves to other men of course but also previous men that our partners dated right. And then we have that thing going on and One of my don't is to don't ask about your your partner sexual history you know. That's actually none of your business if your partner wants to share that with you great but most people can't handle that because once we britannic we can and then once we hear numbers or details we are suddenly comparing and then there's this weird competitive thing going on and it's a it's a total mind fog and it's a losing battle it brings out the worst brings out insecurities so i think real man are able to accept look at be honest with themselves where they're at what they're insecure about and they make an effort to not compare themselves their lives their bank accounts excetera their bodies their penises with other men. You know and. I think that it's difficult especially in the world that we live in think that it requires a lot of courage. I think that it takes time in. It's a practice. And i think it comes with age to it's much harder for twenty one year old right. 'cause i was twenty one wants to separate that right to cut that cord that ties your worth from the external or ability or cars or whatever it is i think as you get older and become more comfortable with yourself and who you are your value then it gets shifted where the you know the place your weight and what's important to you changes so it's less about your aesthetics It's more about character. You know and so i also think this is why a lot of women tend to date older guys I think that women turned the corner. And this generalization around twenty nine. You know thirty ish. And i think man start turning the corner Probably mid thirties. You know i'm not saying this for everyone. This is based on not only my story. But all the stories that i've heard and just kind of generalizing but i think around twenty nine women get very curious look inward What matters to them start shifting. They've had enough experiences in relationships and love and sex where they start to Make healthier choices. And i think men do that as well but i think men hit later like around thirty five ish mid thirties. You know and so i think this is why A lotta times women and updating Older men or men. They're like six seven eight years older than than themselves because emotionally. They're more on par and so they're will to to build something together in that way. Okay so guys. If you're listening to this stop comparing yourself to other men. Not just your pena's but every man has their own value and their own uniqueness In don't get caught up in the competitive race and it's very easy to because you put a lot of men together and suddenly it's a frat house or it's a locker room you know. I think healthy competition is great. Me and my a guy friends. We compete in a healthy way with fitness and working out all the time. But we don't let that define us right a- because we lose a workout. We don't think that that makes us less valuable or i mean. I don't know what i mean. I don't i especially now forty five. Maybe if i was twenty one it would be different. So thank you for listening and if this dialogue and the stuff that is in my book is something that resonates with you encourage you to pick it up. We are giving away a free seat in our life. Coaching intensive certifying you as a life coach. All you have to do is by five bucks. It sounds like a lot but you could give them out. There's no better present. There's no better gift than a book in my opinion so by five books. Email me the receipt. The angry therapist g. And i will enter you into the raffle. There are not that many people you're not jumping into a lottery of thousands or millions where it's going to be i think right now there's about thirty or forty so you actually have a chance of winning a seat in our calloused life. Coaching intensive which is a four thousand dollar value. It's a complete one. 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Episode 73-- Gun Violence and the Murder of Black Trans Women

Red, Blue, and Brady: Season One

43:54 min | 9 months ago

Episode 73-- Gun Violence and the Murder of Black Trans Women

"Hi everybody. This is the legal disclaimer where I tell you thank you thoughts and opinions shared on this podcast belongs solely to our guests and house and not necessarily Brady or Brady's Affiliates. Please note this podcast contains discussions of violence that some people may find disturbing. I find it disturbing too long. Welcome back everyone to Red Balloon Brady today. My co-host Kelly and I are joined by a margin Jones. She's an Emmy and Peabody award-winning journalist intersectional news producer chair of the first ever see you in high-level meeting on gender diversity creative trans slash and and so much more together. The three of us are discussing the tragic and often under-reported murder of black Trans women nearly three-fourths of transgender and gender-nonconforming Americans killed in the last three years were killed with a firearm yet rarely is this community included in conversations about gun violence prevention am hoping to change that by discussing the impact of gun violence on members of the trans Community then on our unbelievable about section we're talking about why there are so many stories people accidentally shooting themselves while going after Iraq has finally and our news wrap up were talking about the tragic ongoing realities of gun violence across the u.s. I feel like this is such a big issue. Topic and probably the first of many podcasts that we have to do to address this but I want to go ahead and Jump Right In and maybe Kelly and then Amara. Can I have you two ladies introduce yourself? Hi everyone. My name is Kelly Sampson. I wanted the attorney that Brady where I focus on constitutional law are racial justice issues. And also our legal Alliance. I'm Amara Jones. I'm a journalist and the founder and creator of trans slash. I'm also a source equality fellow and I'm so excited to have you here. I in particular. I love some of the writing that you've done. I was that person this weekend he when we found out we booked you was reading off allowed to my partner in the car. So it's really nice to at least virtually meet you. Thank you. Thank you so much. It's nice to have people have you actually read what I have written in this home video and digital. That's true as someone who runs a purely audio format nevertheless. I really do love when people have written stuff cuz I think you get a different perspective. Peoples voices and things there's a lot more that can be held their. Yeah. So beyond this being sort of wish fulfillment for me and Kelly who I know is a fan of yours now to I'm wondering if you can tell our audience a little bit about why you're here and talk a little bit about trans flash. Well trans flash is a journalism and storytelling project which aims to Center the humanity of trans people through revealing and unveiling their narratives at a time of social backlash. We believe that finding ignorance is a key to keeping trans people alive. So as I tell everyone retail trans stories to say trans lives, you know, there's obviously been a long epidemic of violence, especially gun violence against the transgender community and it disproportionately impacts trans women of color specifically black women as we've seen just this week. We see over and over again women who've lost their lives and so I was wondering if you log Talk about that for a minute and how that plays into the work that train flashes doing. Yeah, the epidemic of violence and violence involving guns against transgender people is an epidemic and that's not hyperbole that is according to the American Medical Association which classified it as such and I don't think that people understand that the United States has the highest number of murders on record of trans people than any other planet on the country except for Brazil and Mexico and a nine out of ten of those who are murdered are black. And so we have an epidemic of violence against trans people and black Trans women in particular in this country. I literally on a planetary scale that's not surprising when you look at other indicators of violence and incarceration in the United States, but it is still astounding when you hear it off. And the work of trans last is to try to as much as possible to prevent our murders by getting people to see us as humans. You know, the more you examine eyes. Somewhat is the more that you can do harm and violence of it. It's an age-old understanding that we have about ourselves and a part of violence that is driven against black Trans women is that people don't see us as human and against trans people in general. And so consequently we Center our Humanity say you want people to understand that we have dreams that we have have Futures that we have a past that we have families that we have people that love us that we work. We took care of people all of the things that everyone else does because the more that we can do that the less people will harm us and it is an explicit drawing. I have to undermine that and we do that through telling the stories of actual trans people not only myself included but but many many others down and I think it is essential work and could you just Define transphobia and you know some common ways that that might look because I think it's important for all of us to know she might not be out on the street protesting but you can still be contributing to A system that human icicle. I think a couple of things I mean, there's so many ways in which it manifests. There's a full range of them off. Of course, the behaviors are subtle and extreme it would be like saying what are some of the signs of racism we literally, you know, there are books and seminars on that. So I think it's this it's a similar Way range quite frankly. I think it's important for us to realize that transfer via is an irrational fear or hatred of people who are transgendered pretty straightforward dead. And I think it's really important because the fear plays into that because that can be more of a subtle sorts of things. And so if you believe that trans women are women that's transphobia wage. For example, to be honest. You may not believe it so but it is if you think that you would be nervous using a bathroom with someone who is trans and that someone who is trans would not be using a bathroom. Well, I tell you two things I'd say one you you definitely have done already and just didn't know it and secondly that's transphobia. If you believe that trans people somehow are not are imbalanced or not capable or range that's transphobia and transphobia can raise to be active forms of discrimination and hatred which should be apparent. So there's a wide range of transfer with behavior and I mentioned some of those views because most people will say that they are uncomfortable with trash. And this way or that way and best friends will be because it's rooted in an irrational and I think we have to talk about the the role that that irrational fear plays, you know, we see a long want of hate crimes being conducted against the trans Community especially against trans women of color. We see high rates of police violence, you know, for example in the case of William Plunkett, which recently just had the news and I wonder if we can, you know discuss that that interplay a little bit. I think they did few drivers right of the violence and I mean and when you read the the home details of these cases, which I've read many of them they are horrific and they are brutal and it is clear that there is something other hear other in these cases then depriving someone of their life. We most recently learned for example, in terms of involving guns the to Puerto Rican trans women birth. Were shot and then burned in their car, right? It's those type of combinations. There was the same thing happened last year with a trans woman in Florida shot and burned in her car like the way in which these violent episodes happen are profound and deeply troubling and there are two drivers one is intimate partner violence. So people that know these women either have dated them or want to date them and there's some sort of refusal that can lead to violent and then of course the the state senate violence that you mentioned which overwhelmed only shows up in terms of brutality and incarceration in terms of the case that you're talking about with Lillian Polanco. She died in police custody due to negligence because again, they just didn't see her as a human being and even as they were taking her body out of the confined sell the secong. Guards were laughing and making fun of her and she was dead. And so it's this this brutality right from individuals and the state that's driving the the home and the reality for so many for so many black Trans women and we have to acknowledge that and on this larger point that you mentioned of hate crimes. We have to remember that every year since 2016 almost has set a new record for hate crimes in the United States that there's a steel rolling effect that is happening in terms of what's happening. And so therefore this personal violence this state center violence and the larger sort of policy and cultural violence that we have has led us to a very severe crisis for it and we're in June right? This is pride month. This is also where Juneteenth lands this is also right now a time where we're seeing massive protests with them. It's not her movement with people protesting police brutality. And I wonder if we can talk about how this intersection isn't new but it's sort of now coming to the Forefront of people's minds off. Yeah, I think that's right. And I think you know interestingly enough. I mean one thing it's also I think one of the reasons why we are where we are is because same thing, you know, which happens on on gun violence after the terrible massacre in Florida is that people can ignore something for for a long time but not forever. They're just they're just reaches a point where you've been hearing it, but you push it away. You've been hearing it. You've been pushing it away. You've been hearing it but you pushing when you move on and then there's just gets to acquire. You can't ignore it anymore. Its just too too apparent and I think that that's one of the Box on gun violence for why people I also think police violence and also gun violence quite frankly cuz black communities as well have been really strong proponents as you all know of gun control and dead. Sure is to roll back and violence for a really long time. Like if why communities were black communities where we would have gun control laws fifteen years ago and we could do something else but it's also the case that on this particular moment that a lot of white people turn out to these protests Nationwide and it was the first time that so many white people had contact with the police and they were shocked by what they saw and not realized that go through their own experience and what they could see on on television that black people weren't making it up. And if this is the way that police were comporting themselves during the day off their cameras and children and babies and you name it. What would you imagine is the case if it's at night no cameras in a poor neighborhood where nobody looking and I think that that Gap has close to people and we know that there is a problem that we just can't ignore him and honestly, you know, those are just the names that we know that's just the data that we have bulbs. There's so many people who unfortunately are killed or who passed away who are mixed gendered or who we just never hear about. I mean, that's the that's a really strong point to remember is that you know, we always say suck at these are the cases that we know about. I'm on the board of the anti-violence project and we talked about all the time how we go back know over the course of the year and find people who are trans who were murdered or who died to the police violence, but didn't know because they rely on news reports and people are often miss gendered. So I think that what we know is just the beginning of the problem and yet I mean, there's a tremendous amount of violence against transfer. I mean one Dominic tells who's one of the people whose death was announced on Friday right before this big March off. The other is Red Mountain was dismembered and thrown in a river in Philadelphia. I think that the the violence is so acute that what we know about is absinthe. We only the the beginning thank you for flagging the role that the humanization plays in violence against trans people. Obviously that's also a difficult though as a member of the community to both be confronting and combating that while also having two in a way defend your own Humanity. So, how do you deal with that? Yeah, no doubt it is of course hard because every time these murders happen, I think that we all feel but then I also feel you know, we feel powerless that what we're doing isn't enough money. It's not making a difference. I mean, I don't have to tell you this. I'm sure that with respect to gun violence. This is a very familiar sentiment but this idea that whatever you're doing inside a map is not working people some combination of your either not doing it well enough for people don't care, you know, it's it's all of that and I think that those are natural feelings for us to have you know, and that's nice. The violence is designed to do right the violence is actually designed for you to lose. Hope I can deprive you of your life or I can deprive loved ones of their lives. And therefore, you know, you are on a subject. Therefore. You don't matter you do not have the ability to to make a difference to have your Humanity centered. So I won't have to remind myself of that. I also have to remind myself that when you look at change in America that it really is a long game and it's a constant game when you familiarize yourself with the writing of the founding fathers and founding generation. I guess we're now calling them fortunately. So that's the that's what they set up. You know, James Madison expect it says that you know, we've gotten together we've come up with these answers about what America is and how the government should work. But honestly, we don't know and we don't know because we don't agree are amongst ourselves. So what we've done is we've set up a system where you guys can fight it out and fight about what the future is and fight about what America is and we hope that in the process we've designed something that allows that to happen without the whole country being torn apart. Literally what is the case? And so I constantly have to remind myself that this is these fights are long. These struggles are long through lots of setbacks, but persistence is is what can went out and what does went out is the only way to went out and on your point about dehumanization dehumanization is essential at all forms some mistreatment. It was essential of course in slavery which continues to be America's founding contradiction a right. We risk gets afraid and Country because we have two two ideas that are totally in contradiction of each other and we're trying to constantly figure it out it of course is essential phone. And the mistreatment of women most recently it was essential and setting up gulags and torture sites during all these wars. We've been fighting over the past twenty years since dialogue and of course, it's essential and the mistreatment of of trans people and so it's been perfected. I mean, I think that one of the things that we have to realize is that those people who really set up as a cultural system of racial prejudiced essentially from 1500 to 1750 kind of the founding years of that but first turned fifty years really knew what they were doing and they took him that's really enduring and so, you know, we have to just remember that well, I guess to to Pivot a little bit back to the position that sort of gun violence in place and all of this is that you know, we do see that when we have transgender or gender-nonconforming victims of homicide 60% of them involve of their murders off. All the gun and to me part of that is because I feel like a gun is a really easy thing to let to express your hate with it's it's an easy weapon to use but I'm wondering if we could talk about that a little bit the just the heavy rate of firearms violence against trans individuals. And then also how do trans women of color specifically are four times more unlikely to report being attacked with a gun than other trains respondents and I respondents identify as transgender gender non-conforming already, you know half as likely as other respondents to report being attached to the police. So I'm wondering if we can even try to begin to unpack all the structural things at play there. Well on the role of gun violence, you know, it's really interesting. I think I read this study. I actually did a lecture once about the connection between gun violence and male power and trans this last year at minimum wage. State and one of the things I read in preparation for that that shaped part of my views is this idea that gun, you know children who want to play with guns can be okay, but you worry about the people who the gun becomes an expression of their power right playing with the Gunners of it's just under power. That's the those are the kids that you worry about. That's that's where it is. So symbolically, it's not only that it's easy but it is some Molly for a lot of people who for whatever reason don't feel powerless get powerful or don't have a sense of themselves that this thing gives them power, right? It gives them agency. It's that kind of obsession off and I think a lot of these instances where people are attracted to or have an intimate partners with or have neighbors who are trans that they fear for whatever reason wage. For whatever reason ironically they don't know what to do with their feelings in a certain way and the own and that feeling is disempowering and therefore the only way for them to remedy or to feel like they have a sense of themselves again, it's through the expression of the guy and this is particularly true for men right because of the association with masculine million power. So we we have to understand that and there's something about the just the mere difference the idea of difference rather that that trans people represent that for a lot of people is threatening that threat does then translate into them feeling not powerful and then they have feel like they have to take action to a guy and on the on that reporting violence and gun violence and particular wage. I think we have to realize that again transfer will have a really fraught relationship with the state that you could many people have had terrible experience with police dog. Here's where police officers. Don't take you seriously because your trans don't listen to you because your trans or find a way to make whatever situation in which you called or asked for police about you and your the problem and thus you get arrested another issue is that there are many trans people because of extreme marginalization have participated in sex work. And so therefore if you've had any kind of record with the police and you call them that's another layer of complexity in fear. So there are lots of lots of reasons why that doesn't happen and I think over well the reason why we are on gun violence and trans communities is because as I have talked about all the time, it's not only because of one thing it's failing it's because everything is failing everything is failing trans people and black transforming in particular. And so the result of those failures that you see is the violence right and off. To keep that in mind these larger links that are going on. So Debbie's have shown that 40% of trans and or gender-nonconforming people have faith tempted to take their own lives. So when we talk about gun violence, we also have to talk about suicide as well. Yeah. I mean, I think those that horrible statistic that you mention is not surprising in again a terrible way when there's so many combined factors that faced trans people that lead to profound 6s and Agony one gender dysphoria right being your mind working in one way and your mind actually being wired hardwired and one way and your body being the exact opposite. It immediately produces depression and a whole host of other things that people have to deal with so that's one level secondly you then as a result of this face extreme hostility from the world. If every way that you can imagine one out of three trans people who have jobs leave them every year because of on the job discrimination and harassment tracks are afraid to go to the doctors because of past horrible experiences with Healthcare professionals. We mentioned the police. We not to mention schools which are a tremendous bought a breeding ground for transphobia and trans hatred two quarts to housing discrimination. We know that the Trump Administration for example last week brought back housing protections for Trans people, you can buy and all of that and that's an extreme amount of pressure and you know suicide people who commit suicide it's not that they don't want to live. It's that they want the Pain to End and if there's something Many pain points that are being driven by the way that our society operates in every single way that pushes people to the brake. I just think that you know, so important because a lot of times I'll see these arguments in the news that try to use that as of the way to argue or why people should not transition rather than taking a step back and looking and saying well what kind of society have we create jobs and you know how might these forces that you know, we're supporting put people in a lot of pain. So everything is really important, especially when talking about gun violence as well. I agree. Absolutely. I think it's to this idea that there's again we're going back to like there's so many intersections of things happening. So, you know, for example, I think of just the sheer number of underage kids minors so team there lgbtq who are kicked out of their homes or who don't find that they have a safe space at home to go to and so then end up in really vulnerable positions because the people in the system That we're supposed to care for them actively are harming them. Right? That's right. That's right. I mean, I mean the the disaster that is trans teen homelessness is speak to that app is also one of the other fundamental failures and they're just so many points of hostility that trans people have to contend with and I think it's a to that end. I'm I feel like we've continued to ask you questions where there are no easy answers or at the very least quick answers and and this next one is is par for the course with that which is how do you feel that? The u.s. Is failing a trans woman specifically trans women of color. You know, what what are some of the things that we need to see change immediately. We need schools to be radically different and safer spaces for Trans people. We need the truck registration to say that trans people are protected by civil rights protections and regulations and schools. So that schools can be held accountable as safe spaces for Trans people that dog An immediate one when it comes to police violence. We need to repeal a lot of the tools that Police use to try to trans people so specifically loitering laws certain types of prostitution. And so this suspected prostitution thing is a problem in New York City. There's actually a law walking around walking around trans where police used during Los disproportionately targeted trans people as well. There's a to condom rule, whereas if police find two condoms on you they can arrest you on suspicion of sex work. So I think that that's a really important thing for us to shift and change we need to not only have equal access to housing and jobs, but I think that there needs to be some consideration ways to actually spur hiring I think the trans people honestly need affirmative action, which I know is a bad word, but I think that that's the only remedy quite frankly wage. I also think that we need to address Capital needs so allowing trans people to be able to have small amounts of capital to start businesses where they can provide employment for it themselves and others. I think that you know, we may want to think about making sex work decriminalizing sex work. So technically still keeping it as a crime for a lot of reasons. I'm not legalizing it but decriminalizing it would be a massive thing for us to do at this particular moment. I mean, I really believe that the SWAT is so large that we could sneak on and on and on but there are a string of policy provisions and one thing that we need to do from a legal standpoint Nationwide is that we have to have an equal rights law for lgbtq. People overall image transfer would be included. We don't in twenty-seven States in this country will not now because of the Supreme Court ruling but up until then, you know, it was legal to discriminate against people who are dead. Yesterday I was literally yesterday. So there's a lot of work that needs to be done across the board. I think that it's also just important to realize that you know, overall transmission is needing a tremendous amount of investment in all the forms of investment that we think of from housing to education to labor all of the things we we we need substantial investment. And that's where a lot of institutional actors can can play a really important role that's also really really important as well. And you know, one of those things that really needs address because it's summer is all about it. It's just everyone is gun violence and I wonder if you're at all comfortable. If you could comment on sort of your own experiences with firearms and how that shaped some of your recommendations. Yeah, I grew up in a household where guns were actively used to threaten people and understand, you know, how they can be seized in these really volatile moments and birth That happens when people are out of control and that was a fear that shaped me as I was growing up and I think that people need to understand that this isn't argument about human beings at their rationale best, right? This is these are welcome and human beings ultimately everyone would fall into these moments of darkness and being lost and that's what it happens. And I think that one of the things that the gun lobby does is that they always make it into a very rational argument. But these episodes happen when people are irrational and we have to we have to acknowledge that that's why it's called Common Sense gun control because we know that people can be at their best and they can be at their worst. And when when they're at their worst, we don't want them to have this symbol this idea of power and intimidation when they're feeling totally disempowered because it leads to really terrible circumstances and that's just from my my own personal experience, but in those moments when those things happen all of the Political rhetoric drops aside and you're just in the moment and the gun is either present or it's not and if it's not present things go one way and if they're pressing they go another way. It's really really the choice is clear. Thanks for trying that out cuz it's I mean when you mention of course at the gun lobby, we'll talk about this as though it's a completely rational issue and we just need to think about different policy arguments on both sides, but you know, it doesn't take into account human nature. And if you do take into account human nature, then you know, it's clear that obviously the presence of a Lethal Weapon is going to make difference in any interaction between two people. Yeah, and when one person has a one person the other thing that's crazy right about their argument cuz it just is it just have to say it's not like no one's completely rational like if if people were completely rational then. The instances of gun violence that we had wouldn't take place and there wouldn't be a problem. So if the world's was actually according to their point of view, we wouldn't have a discussion at all. The reason why it is cuz the world doesn't work like they say it does that's a fantasy that you're using to Advanced argument cuz you know, it's effective and you pull tested it and you've done a whole bunch of other stuff but not reality. That's just not the way it works. That's why we have a problem. Like, you know what I would if you were totally right, you know way more up here and it was like, you know, totally rational and these are both of these same people and everyone behaves responsibly and this is only hunters and we only use them against bad people and if that were the case we wouldn't have a problem and it would be it'd be in a totally different world. But you know what that's not the world that we live in so that's why we so therefore your argument is actually specious because that's not that's not actually born out by the reality. It's just dead. It's just a fantastic sounding argument and to tie it back to some of the points you made before, you know, also, if we live in a world where every human really was treated equally where we didn't stereotype people in to humanize people. I would also be a different argument. But because we live in a world where we you know value certain people stereotype them don't protect them and that also has to come into play when we talk about guns because you're giving your allowing people to have how Earnest capacity to kind of externalized fears and hatred and and all of those kind of cultural forces. So yeah, I think it's a really good point. Well and too. I wonder what do you think a gun violence prevention groups need to be doing better? What are some of the weaknesses? And the way that GDP groups are addressing this intersection of gun violence and trans lines. Yeah. I mean, I think a m Of these, you know, a lot of those weaknesses have been corrected and weakness in recent years, but I think that it's really important for us too many things on this point again racial. I think it's really important to underscore that black communities for a long time have been among the strongest proponents of kind of control and wage opposition to gun violence that there are a string of organizations across the country that were doing the work and have been doing the work for a really long time and the same is true for for transport and trans anti-violence you go across the country and as trans organizations, what are the most important things fighting violence and ending over policing and police officer tality are always at the top of the list. So that means that there are people in communities that are working on the same issues and that care about the same issues. And so we need to partner with those communities. We need to Resource those communities and we need to listen and we need to censor those but that requires a decreasing sense of your power and your role not necessarily always centering yourself off but making sure that other people are censored as well and they they have what they need to become really strong allies and to extend the values and the struggle across the country and I think that those are the things that are really important there have to be fundamental shifts and how we see our organizations ourselves in our role. Let's savior complex more partner complex and this this this this necessity as I mentioned before The realization that we all go or nobody goes and that extends so many social justice movements. Yeah. I mean it makes so much sense, especially when you talk about all different intersectionalities, that would be really important to have people have true rights, you know, when you talk about housing and job that you know, it's easy sometimes I think to go into the the movements gun violence included and just think about you know, the common stories that we see but in order if we don't really address all the different intersectionalities on what is gun violence mean in the transmission versus what a might mean in the veterans community etcetera, then we might end up and obviously those communities overlap, but I'm saying it might lead to different results and incomplete results. So that's awfully helpful point right and results that that are constantly suboptimal because you're you know, it's kind of it's kind of interesting right like in order to win. My friend has been like reading some song Recently, so she keeps like quoting me all these things and like one of the things Art of War and one of the things is that you know, you can't win by fighting on other people's grounds. You have to expand your boss territory. You have to expand the concept of where you're operating when where and how you're choosing to to coalesce. I mean, the the gun lobby is a white movement. So, you're not going to beat them by being a anti and white movement. You're going to beat them by forming a broad-based coalition of people from all walks of life and all parts of this country all gender identities and racial backgrounds and economic backgrounds to stop the epidemic of gun violence. And because those communities are disproportionately impacted by it. That's how you're going to win. So you have to totally re-imagined how you're campaigning who you think you're talking to dead. And again, if you just resource to listen to who's prioritized sjj says, I just want to say preach. I mean it started out telling us that I think nine out of ten trans women who are shot are black if I'm recalling and so obviously that's like a natural community of people who are very motivated to really make some progress on the issue. So, you know, like you said the it doesn't make a lot of sense to ignore that or leave that out. Yeah, and then you know, there are there are lgbtq anti-violence Project's programs organizations all across the country and and cities and states again a natural impulse infrastructure right to life partner with but partnering means that you they care about your issues cuz there's overlap. Then you also have to care about their issues. Right? Like there's this idea of of reciprocity and Ed. Some of the things that we're talking about, you know, you can't care about gun violence not care about and not care about and trans violence. For example, right? We can't stop gun violence. If we don't talk about gun violence and gun culture within police departments because we know for example that police have over-indexed instances of domestic violence which too often them back in debt. So that's one of your issues too. So it is, you know, being true to these core values in the core issues but understanding that for us to win we have to show up for other people suck show up for us. So I know that I have so many more questions, but I think just because of time we're going to have to have to say goodbye. But first for more information where can people find you where can they find trash trash online or anything any upcoming events that they should know about? Yes. So many things people can find trans flash at trans flash. Org when you go there before you enter the site we will ask you to sign up. A newsletter. That's the best way to keep up with what's going on. So we ask you to do that. It's trans flash. Org and then across all social media platforms are handle is at trans slash media a super easy, and you can find us on literally every social media platform that you can think of except to talk. So do that and then on next Wednesday, May 24th. We have a program called the future of trans where we will be screaming a short documentary that we have filmed and that's going to be on our special lives at stake program at 7 p.m. On the 24th of June, and if you either go to our website or across social media, you can find details or how to watch that. Perfect. I know what I'm doing. Well again, thank you so much. Thank you so much. And now on unbelievable but featuring one Fearless raccoon and a raccoon hunt gone wrong color. A man was outside around midnight. We saw a raccoon up on a telephone pole for reasons known only to him and maybe to the rack you attempted to shoot. Unfortunately as he pulled out his loaded handgun. He unintentionally shot himself Clegg instead the raccoon made it away without issue, but the man got a trip to the hospital in a citation prohibited usage limit. The sad reality is is that this is just one of many stories where someone has unintentionally shot themselves will trying to shoot a wreck We Begin this week with a drawing attention to the number of young people being impacted and even killed by gun violence and just one tragic example A New Haven Connecticut this week nineteen-year-old. Kiana Brown was found unconscious her home The Examiner found that brown had died from a gunshot wound to the Head police do not believe she was the intended target but rather that gunfire struck her home and she slept Browns loved ones. So she was the type of person who always made sure everyone else wage. She played basketball before she graduated from Hillhouse high school and loved to dance New Haven Police are still investigating. We also remember those killed and injured in the anti-black Charleston AME Church on June 17th, 2015 in Charleston South Carolina nine. People were killed during a Bible study at the Emmanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church. This church is one of the oldest black churches in the United States and has not going to send her organizing events, which are related to civil rights. The shooter was a twenty-one-year-old white supremacist who was found to have targeted members of this church because of its history and stature. The shooter was only able to get the gun used in the past due to a gap in the background check process often now called the Charleston loophole legislation to close the loophole was passed in the House of Representatives more than a year ago, but still sits on Senate Majority Leader month desk untouched finally this past week, we honor Juneteenth an annual holiday marking the end of slavery in the United States. Well, Juneteenth has been celebrated by black Americans since the late eighteen hundreds birth. Our celebration is resonating in new ways. As our country reckons with the systematic murders black men and women like Brianna Taylor Commodore Barry George Floyd and Richard gross. Juneteenth is a time to uplift the economic cultural and political contributions. Black Americans have made to this country. Now more than ever. It is also time to listen to Black Americans to understand and address the systemic racism and inequality that is woven to a marriage life gun violence, which disproportionately impacts black Americans is only one example, how systemic racism wreaks havoc on black communities recognizing Juneteenth is only the first step. It doesn't end racism or stop the disproportionate impact of gun violence, but it is a step in the right direction. 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ITT Sound Off: People Powered

In The Thick

18:33 min | 5 months ago

ITT Sound Off: People Powered

"Family welcome to in the thick muddy anal horsa. And i'm really lorella and you know what's up. It sound off which means it's the end of a week and it's springtime. Julio yeah how you doing i'm great. It's friday it's a long week. But i'm here. Let's talk about a couple of things that happened this week. All right our first topic is an update on the latest legislation in terms of gun. Control most people if you have a tv on. You've been watching the trial of derek chauvin but thursday. All of this was interrupted because president biden was on television announcing six executive orders on gun. Control calling gun violence in the united states and epidemic. And we're about to talk very critically about all of this. But also i'm so glad to be seen the president doing something like this as opposed to some of the bullshit watch over the last four years past. Okay let's talk about these executive orders and some things at biden is doing with them. Include limiting ghost guns. These are self made firearms and also making it easier for people to flag family members who should not be allowed to purchase firearms so these are good and through his recent two point three trillion dollar infrastructure proposal biden is making an additional five billion dollars in funding available to community violence prevention efforts. This is at the request of advocates are recent. Itt guests greg jackson junior fabulous and survivor of gun violence. Okay so this is personal but also national these actions while yes are modest and biden himself acknowledged that a lot more is calling on congress to pass an assault weapons ban and expand background checks. And let's talk about the gun lobby at said that i'd say it on the air in. Ra all that stuff that he said exactly so people. This is what democracy looks like. it doesn't look like just one vote. It looks like you've voicing your opinions throughout and engaging in democracy by also listening to itt and that leads us to the fact that we've also been tracking the latest on these voter suppression bills that are happening across the country in front of our eyes including the new voting law in georgia that we covered in our recent itt episodes so on tuesday atlanta mayor. Kisha lance bottoms issued an administrative order to counter the statewide restrictions. Boom take that and this was essentially to help every atlanta resident exercise their right to vote. So we're seeing local governments pushed back by the way happens to be that. She's one of the several black women who are leading important cities in the united states like atlanta and there is this local government pushback now so far kentucky i love this. I do love kentucky. It's the only state with a republican controlled legislature to actually pass a bipartisan bill to expand allow voting rights. Except you know there's always a twist of course because it's important to note that prior to the pandemic Kentucky actually had some of the strictest voting laws in the country so this is basically like ooh. We're trying to make up for a bunch abacha that we did. Yeah it was a lotta shits. Now we're gonna give you less yet. Yes so a lot. This week julia. So what are you thinking. It's just you know the biden orders. Oh by the way the same day this happened in customs and border patrol like announced that the most encounters since two thousand one at the southwest border have occurred. That was released on thursdays. Well so yes. I was like. Did anyone asked a question about that. To jen psaki and actually looked at the transcript. I didn't see a lot of like immigration. Talk you're seeing like the biden media cycle be. We're going to talk about this now so like we're to forget you know what i'm saying. I'm so glad you brought that up. Because itt latino usa the we do. We're not here for the osho up now with the live trucks and the thing and be there in front and then marino's alive. The children being held do and then disappear q. I mean yes put no and of course if it was up to me yet do surveys. Joe biden should be done at the border saying. Oh my gosh. I to the refugees. I love you and second to people who are coming because they actually are ready to start a new life for whatever the hell right because people want to move. Yeah he should say you are part of our economic boom. Come on let's go. Let's get to work and mighty. We've also been covering the wave of anti trans bills that have been introduced in legislatures. All across you know the states of america. What you last friday the fabulous jamila king and you know so great to hear jamila king so good. You talked about the bill in arkansas. That would prohibit doctors from giving trans-youth gender affirming care. I mean w t.f. Okay so that. Bill had passed both the state house and the senate but after organizing from local and national advocates governor. Ace hutchinson vetoed the bill on monday. Interesting but then the following day the republican controlled house and the senate in arkansas. They voted to override the veto. Oh making arkansas. The first state to deny healthcare to trans-youth in this way for five or okay. You know what. I'm sorry for the trans youth. Who are listening in arkansas. We'd love you. Yes and many of these bills specifically target trans athletes okay. So that's another thing that people need to know. So we're seeing the national collegiate athletic association of the ncaa student athletes and the women's national basketball association wnba coaches and athletes from that league pushing back and in december wnba's candace parker along with one of my favorite tennis players. Of all time. Billie jean king. I stopped her on. this street. Wants to know is like you're a god issues like and also one of my favorite soccer players of all time. Megan who kicks ass. They all joined more than one hundred seventy five athletes to file amicus briefs in support of a lawsuit against the lawn. Idaho that bans trans women from competing. In women's sports. Idaho was the first state to do so last year. That band so now at least two dozen states have proposed similar legislation. And it's interesting because this all reminds me of a recent episode of the trans lash. Podcast hosted by our incredible. Itt all star amara jones right and amara talked with cc. Telfer the first openly trans woman to win an ncaa title. So let's take a listen one insights. You have about the fact that this is as much about taking away our legitimacy as people as black people and then taking away our legitimacy as women because we stereotyped absolutely. I will be glad to speak on that. And thank you so much for vocalizing that and recognizing that all discrimination in hey is a. He plays a huge role in this situation. Because not only that. It's the black female like trains lives. That are mostly targeted to me. It seems like the only liser targeted especially when it comes to Gender in sports and also. Let's not forget that people in general competing in athletics was unfair to the world because of the their quote unquote reasons where bone mass height. Yep who came up with these rules white men. I know that you spoke to chris. Mosier today. He came to my school. And i was so glad that he brought up when he transition the privileged. I came to him being a white man. People are going out of their way to like. Greet him show him the utmost respect like all of that. When black women are transitioning they hate. They got a lot more discrimination. A lot less respect and all of that stuff and it's just sad. Because that's why i said that i'm such a naive little girl because i just expect the world to be just like me and wear their hearts and their shoulder. Because we're all going through the same things it would make so much sense for all of us to be on the same boat supporting each other and making the movement stronger. Yeah i mean just making the world stronger happier yeah. This is a better place when we are more inclusive always think of beneath the holidays. Yeah you know. The first indigenous president of mexico Supper take indian eighteen sixty five and he said elizabeth dole. The ritual is lepres. respect for other people's rights Is peace yeah. I don't know by the way. Somebody named jesus christ said the same thing in my right. I think yes. It's april easter today. Allergy with marina. Hosa okay listen. Let's move onto our second topic and that is a covid nineteen relief for undocumented immigrants who have been shut out of federal covert nineteenth stimulus money and unemployment benefits and we talked that before and in the thick. This is huge. This week history was with a two point. One billion dollar fund for economic relief and direct cash assistance to undocumented immigrants that was included in a budget that was passed in new york state. Amazing it's amazing. This is the largest fund of this sort in the country. Ever right and we also know that california passed a similar relief program last year which set the model. But it wasn't as big as new york's is that this would have never had. Did this happen. Yeah exactly how did this happen. It wasn't politicians going. Oh let's do this from the kindness of our hearts. No although cuomo is looking for anything to make himself look good. But we're going to be dropping an episode where we're gonna be talking about cuomo and what's up with men who can handle power. That's coming up next week on tuesday. This wouldn't have happened without months of advocacy and organizing including a twenty three day. Long hunger strike by workers making into thick debut. Our new team member intern nicole bassolino. She spoke to release. Who's lead organizer of the workplace justice team at make the road new york she coordinated these latest hunger strikes with the fund excluded workers campaign. So let's take a listen as the chatted while took a break from work and apparently it's a little noisy there just f. y. Yeah i mean this is hard. I'm a young organizer. I'm a daughter of immigrants is deeply personal for me. But at the forefront of my mind are the hunger strikers who are still recovering to put your body in that situation for over twenty days puts you at risk of heart failure lung failure seizures and refuting syndrome. And we're talking about people who don't even go to hospitals don't go to dentists don't go To city and state agencies to seek support because there's fear of deportation there's fear of arrest and also there's barriers to access into navigate Healthcare systems in any sort of social service system so for them to put their bodies on the line like that was a huge sacrifice in a big risk and the majority of the hunger were women in working mothers. I'm thinking about one person in particular media who has five kids several grandchildren. She's a single mother. One of our children has a disability and she although hadn't eaten for weeks still found the strength to pick up garbage in washington square park every day so she could send cash home to her family. And i think that although we celebrate this victory it costs us a lot. It costs lives every single action. We did we. We named and honored the lost family members community members colleagues to cove it. We centered our cultural traditions. We centered are. We centered our joy in the struggle. But there's still a lot of grief Yeah that's pretty incredible in terms of the power of organizing every gaddi. Throw that in every little grain of sand of having accumulated leads to something like this. And you know who you're we may be. Seeing the beginning of actually a wave of undocumented people and allies activists taking back their power and actually yes putting their bodies on the line like the load is worth says using People power to move these issues. Undocumented workers in new jersey have launched their own hunger-strike less than twenty four hours. After this past in new york. And i think back to a year ago you know the undocumented workers were still on the trains from the bronx intimate hatton. You've been up here in massachusetts. That's where did the chelsea massachusetts story for latino. Usc that was the same thing. It was everywhere. Exactly so not only. Are they working continuously often in high risk but they are paying taxes right with. They didn't get any stimulus. Then fact there's punishment we have to value their lives. This was released. Something that to me is. I think not only huge and historic but i think again could have a national emperor and you know we talk a lot about people's humanity right so a lot of people are talking about these undocumented individuals they should be valued not just because they were the essential workers who were on does not ways and keeping new york functioning but also because their people their new yorkers and their lives matter and they are part of our communities and they have families right here who are also new yorkers. Let's go back to the hill s elise from make the road new york. It took the federal government months to put together a small check. That barely covered anybody's bills but in this campaign we were determined not to make that mistake so our narrative in our push in our campaign centered the fact that undocumented immigrants pay taxes however they were the first to have to go to work during the pandemic they were the last ones to receive any sort of relief or protections from fiction moratoriums or rent relief programs. They were completely excluded. What we called for was direct cash. Assistance monuments to essential workers. Don't save lives. Cash in their pockets does and we knew this was bowled. We also know it's not enough. We've set the precedent but it's on everybody to act on what they've just seen. Julio the thought of some people not everybody's is going to be able to. But it's a maximum fifteen thousand six hundred dollars. I believe the thought of what a family could do with that. Oh the us. I mean my husband said he too crazy. I anticipate cut. Do you really think undocumented people are going to go in present themselves right now because there is fear. Now there's a whole other conversation about. How do we engage. How do we create a sense of trust with people in new york have been picked up by taking by ice but what are way to end the week. Who so. I wanted to call attention to another story about organizing and this came out of. Wd t in detroit that a group of young activists from detroit and dearborn are leading hunger strike in washington dc protesting the blockade of yemen and urging change in us policy toward saudi arabia. And by the way they are on day twelve of their hunger strike. You know you talk about the lotus and people power. You're seeing these pockets. That's not going away under a biden harris administration and it didn't go away during the obama biden administration. So i think you're still seen people saying certain issues are deeply personal and matter and we need to keep showing up and organizing and if it means risking our health you're literally putting their lives on the line and we've been putting our lives on the line in this country for the entire past year so like i said power to the young people. I say it all the time. The future democracy in this country is sitting on your shoulders. And if you feel the pressure on your shoulders. That's because i'm putting it right there. But i'm telling you young people activists people who love democracy participating. I'm here for it. And i'm also terrified. I'm getting my second shot on sunday and wish me you'll be fine. Okay thank you have a good one. Everybody love ya. I'm money and i'm listener. Reading reviews and apple podcast. Remember you can listen to pandora spotify forever. You choose to get your podcasts on. Check us out on the web at the dot. Org follow us on twitter and an instagram at in the show like us on facebook. Better be telling your friends and family to listen okay in the thickest produced by nickel rothwell harsh and our new york winds foundation ignite followed. Lisa selena's along with our intern nicole. Selena with aditorial support from eric day. Our audio engineering team is stuffing. The judah rousseau and mia saw our digital editor is least new nap. Thanks for recording me. The music yard is good to you. Have nothing captains easy. K records have a great one people. Yeah enjoy the springtime if you can take care of everybody eighteen. Oh she's on my list of people. I wanna have dinner with. There's a list. I have a you have a list. Is it dead or alive or just life people will. I have to have a dead one having live on like on your phone. I haven't written in my journal. I write things on. That's the part that has stuck like. Should i be making a list of people. 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Activists: Gloria Steinem

Encyclopedia Womannica

07:47 min | 1 year ago

Activists: Gloria Steinem

"Hello Wonder Media, network I'm Jenny Kaplan, and this is encyclopedia were Manteca. Including this month Manteca with a feminist icon known for her incredible reporting skills and tireless activism. She created several organizations that still provide vital work for the support of women, and she continues to be a voice for women's rights today. Let's talk about the unstoppable Gloria Steinem. And now the new form of obstructionism into is to say what was over. You know just to keep you from doing anything more. It's so just begun. Gloria Steinem was born on March twenty, fifth nineteen, thirty four until Lido Ohio her father was a traveling salesman which meant Gloria. Didn't regularly attend school when she was young instead her mother tutor her on the road and encouraged glorious love of books. When Gloria was ten years old her parents divorced her mother soon started suffering from a mental illness that caused hallucinations and difficulty functioning this required Gloria to become a full time caretaker. Gloria. Leader remarked that her childhood caused her to grow up too soon and instilled a determination to overcome every obstacle. Glorious. Returned home after graduating from high school to help take care of their mother allowing fifteen year old Gloria to attend Smith College Massachusetts where she studied government. After graduating with honors in Nineteen fifty six, Gloria earned a fellowship that allowed her to study in India for two years. Glorious Time in India was the catalyst for her love of grassroots activism there she traveled with local women to fight against injustices like selling low caste women into marriage, and she absorbed the writings of Mahatma Gandhi. When Gloria returned to the US she started working as a freelance journalist in New York, this was an era when newsrooms and editorial desks were run almost entirely by. White men women were relegated to writing lifestyle or fashion pieces at first glorious career was no different. She frequently tried to suggest political ideas but editor shut her down time and time again then in nineteen, sixty, three, Gloria gained national attention. When show magazine hired her to go undercover at a playboy club to report on the working conditions there Well, they were taking anything. Disaster is job and ISO, and I wrote an expose of of being about about the working conditions and and what started out as a joke actually became. Something that was not so funny even though this was before I was. involving. At the time waitressing at playboy clubs was advertised as glamorous exciting career opportunity for young women. But glorious expose I was a playboy bunny revealed the sexist underpaid overworked nature of the job. Though this legendary article Made Gloria, a household name, she initially struggled to be taken seriously as a reporter after it's release. Despite the challenge glorious strive to build her career and nineteen, sixty eight, she helped found New York magazine. As an editor and political writer at New York magazine Gloria covered campaigns, and social issues like the Women's Liberation Movement. But her involvement in the movement quickly went beyond that of passive reporter in Nineteen, sixty nine she spoke publicly at an event advocating the legalization of abortion in New York. Florida became a sought after Speaker Women's liberation protests and events. She became a spokesperson for the movement and a tireless advocate for women's rights. In one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy feminist activists staged an eleven hour sit in on the magazine ladies home. Journal one hundred women marched into the office and protested the majority male staffs sexist writing and refusal to cover women's rights issues after this landmark event Gloria knew there was a place for a women's Movement magazine she teamed up with fellow journalists. Patricia Carbine, and Letty. Cotton POGREBIN TO CREATE MS magazine in Nineteen Seventy One news was initially an insert into New York magazine but by nineteen seventy, two, it became an entity of its own. Lori would be a writer and editor for the magazine for fifteen years. Gloria toward the country as a speaker led protests and teamed up fellow feminists like Shirley, Chisholm, and Betty for Dan to create the National Women's Political Caucus. The NWPP raises money provides training and gathers volunteers for women, candidates, state, and local levels. Gloria also helped found organizations including the women's Action Alliance the Women's Media Centre voters for choice, and the News Foundation for women. She also helped create take our daughters to. Work Day in the nineties, which was an effort to show variety of career opportunities to young girls. Gloria has written several books including the best selling memoir my life on the road, the book details, Glorious Childhood, and Development as an activist alongside the burgeoning women's liberation. Movement Gloria has received many honors and accolades for her activism in two thousand thirteen President Obama granted Gloria the Presidential Medal of freedom speaking of game changers. As a writer, the speaker, an activist she awakened a vast and often skeptical public to problems like domestic violence. A lack of affordable childcare unfair hiring practices. Because of her work across America around the world more women are afforded the respect and opportunities that they deserve. But she also changed how women thought about themselves in two thousand seventeen rutgers university created the Gloria Steinem endowed chair in media culture and Feminist Studies Gloria Steinem is a prominent and passionate activist for women everywhere who's helped to expand the opportunities available for women and girls across the country. This episode concludes our month all about activists. But Join US tomorrow October first for the beginning of a brand new. Holiday. For more on why we're doing what we're doing check out our newsletter Manica weekly follow us on facebook and Instagram at Encyclopedia. Will Manteca. Follow me directly on twitter at Jenny M Kaplan. Special. Thanks to my favorite sister and co-creator was Catholic. Talk to you tomorrow. I WanNa tell you about another podcast. I. Think. You'll love we hear about Trans People in the news all the time, but we almost never hear trans people telling their own stories. 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Coronavirus news, updates, hotspots and information for 6-30-2021

Coronavirus 411

06:15 min | 2 months ago

Coronavirus news, updates, hotspots and information for 6-30-2021

"This is corona virus. Four one one. The latest cove in nineteen info and new hotspots. Just the facts. For june thirtieth twenty twenty one a new poll shows americans are worried about the delta variant. Just not worried enough to do anything about it. The poll shows more than seventy percent or at least somewhat concerned about it but only fifty five percent are wearing a mask all or sometimes when they leave the house and only thirty four percent social distance than the past week and even if there was a new spike in cases respondents were mostly unlikely to say they'd start taking precautions again. The national institute of health said to blood serum studies show. India's and vaccine effectively neutralizes both alpha and delta variants of corona virus kovacs has been administered to roughly twenty five million people so far in india and elsewhere. It works using a disabled form of the virus. That can't replicate but still stimulates the immune system to make antibodies against it. New testing also shows maderna's vaccine to be only slightly less effective against the delta variant than others. The vaccine provoked an antibody response against all the variants tested but it was far more effective against the delta variant than the beta variant. I identified in south africa. Bad timing daily cases have been going up for nine days and tokyo triggering fears of a possible fifth wave and that's happening less than a month before the city is due to host the olympics. The minister overseeing japan's pandemic response said they won't hesitate to call a new state of emergency if necessary being in charge of the pandemic response in any country as a nightmare. But try doing it in north korea kim jong publicly berated senior ruling party officials for their failures in the fight against the corona virus saying it created a huge crisis. He criticized them for incompetence irresponsibility and passiveness and yet north korea still claims not to have found a single corona virus infection in the united states cases. Were down. fifteen percent. Deaths are down twenty. Three percent and hospitalizations are down thirteen percent over fourteen days. The seven day average of new cases has been trending flat since june eighteenth. There are now four million nine hundred thousand one hundred forty active cases in the united states the top ten counties with the highest number of recent cases per capita according to the new york times debt texas reeves texas campbell virginia pinola texas titus texas houston texas hopewell virginia red river texas harrison texas and dallas missouri. There have been six hundred four thousand four hundred thirty six deaths in the us recorded as cova related. The states with the most new deaths reported as kovic related michigan thirty to texas and colorado twenty georgia nineteen arizona. Seventeen california's sixteen pennsylvania twelve mississippi eleven and new york and virginia ten the top three vaccinating states by percentage of population. That's had at least one dose vermont at seventy three point. Eight percent massachusetts at seventy point two percent and hawaii at sixty nine point seven percent. The bottom three vaccinating states are mississippi unchanged at thirty five point nine percent louisiana at thirty eight percent and wyoming unchanged at thirty nine percent. The percentage of the. Us that's been fully vaccinated is forty six point. Three percent the top five countries for full vaccinations per capita are gibraltar. malta seychelles cayman islands and san marino. The bottom five are lesotho. South sudan syria zambia and liberia. Globally cases were down four percent and deaths down thirty percent over fourteen days. With the seven day. Average trending down since june twenty-sixth there are now eleven million four hundred forty nine thousand eight hundred fifty four active cases around the world the five countries with the most new cases brazil sixty four thousand nine hundred three india forty five thousand six hundred ninety nine columbia twenty five thousand eight hundred eighty argentina. Twenty four thousand sixty five and russia twenty thousand six hundred sixteen. There have now been three million nine hundred thirty six thousand four hundred sixty three deaths reported as cove related worldwide for the latest updates subscribed for free to corona virus. Four one one on your podcast app or ask your smart speaker to play the corona virus. Four one one podcast sound that brands looking for a new podcast listened to. Here's what we love. Courtesy of a recommends shame on any politician introducing these hateful mean-spirited and discriminatory bills. That are anti american. I'm amara jones. come join me. 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Coronavirus news, updates, hotspots and information for 6-29-2021

Coronavirus 411

06:19 min | 3 months ago

Coronavirus news, updates, hotspots and information for 6-29-2021

"This is corona virus. Four one one. The latest covid nineteen info and new hot spots. Just the facts for june twenty-ninth twenty twenty one. The world health organization says get your masks back on even if you're fully vaccinated mask up and go back to social distancing but cdc guidance is that fully vaccinated people can resume activities without a mask or physically distancing plus experts say vaccines authorized in the us remain largely effective against the delta variant. So again we have public health bureaucracies thoroughly confusing the public. The world continues to believe travel causes covid nineteen outbreaks hong kong banning all passenger flights from the uk which they've classified as high risk because of delta variant spread and. Portugal has also put the uk on its red list for travel. Even though portugal itself has been reporting the highest number of daily new cases since february in germany the sheriff covid nineteen cases caused by the delta variant more than doubled within a week accounting. For thirty six percent infections they expected to become the dominant strain by summer in germany. About thirty five percent of the population is fully vaccinated. Experts in australia described their situation as the most dangerous stage of the pandemic since the earliest days. Sydney darwin are locked down. Perth made masks compulsory for three days and warned a lockdown becoming and brisbane and canberra have or will soon make masks compulsory. Here's a positive story year old mary. Mccarthy of new zealand works in a hospital kitchen so she was tested in october twenty twenty. It was painful and the discomfort lasted weeks. Few doctors told her she had a chronic sinus condition which she believed because she'd always had pain in her nose and shortness of breath but the pain was so bad one day she decided to go to one more emergency room where doctors found a toy that had been stuck up her nose for thirty seven years. A tiddly wink to be exact. In the united states cases were down. Fifteen percent deaths are down. Sixteen percent and hospitalizations are down fourteen percent over fourteen days the seven day average of new cases has been trending flat since june eighteenth. There are now four million nine hundred twenty nine thousand one hundred ninety two active cases and the united states the top ten counties with the highest number of recent cases per capita according to the new york times dim at texas reeves texas campbell virginia franklin texas dallas missouri upshur texas pinola texas hopewell virginia taniwha missouri and joplin missouri. There have been six hundred. Four thousand one hundred fourteen deaths in the. Us reported as covert related. The states with the most new deaths reported as cove related colorado eighteen new york sixteen illinois nine north carolina and washington. Eight california seven. Mississippi six and michigan virginia louisiana and minnesota five the top three vaccinating states by percentage of population. That's had at least one dose vermont at seventy three point six percent massachusetts at seventy point one percent and hawaii at sixty nine point five percent. The bottom three vaccinating states are mississippi. At thirty five point nine percent louisiana at thirty seven point nine percent and wyoming at thirty nine percent the percentage of the us that's been fully vaccinated is forty six point. One percent. The top five for vaccinations per capita are gibraltar. malta seychelles cayman islands and san marino. The bottom five are lesotho. The democratic republic of congo south sudan syria and liberia. globally cases. Were down three percent and deaths down twenty-eight percent over fourteen days with the seven day average trending down since june twenty-sixth there are now eleven million four hundred ninety nine thousand two hundred eighty seven active cases around the world the five countries with the most new cases india thirty seven thousand. Thirty seven columbia. Twenty eight thousand. Four hundred seventy eight brazil. Twenty seven thousand eight hundred four. The uk twenty two thousand eight hundred sixty eight and russia twenty one thousand six hundred fifty there have now been three million nine hundred twenty eight thousand four hundred nine deaths reported as covid related worldwide for the latest updates subscribe for free to corona virus. Four one one on your podcast app or ask your smart speaker to play the corona virus. Four one one podcast sound that brands looking for a new podcast. 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ITT Sound Off: Dazed and Confused

In The Thick

20:14 min | 11 months ago

ITT Sound Off: Dazed and Confused

"Hey, it's producer nor here, and this election is just days away. Voting has already begun in many states, and if you're an eligible voter, we've got some it tips free to find your states voting info like early voting gates or your poll site. You can call the nonpartisan election protection hotline at one, eight, six, six, our vote. You can also call this hotline when you're at the polls if you run into any issues and if you're worried about election integrity, check out the ACLU's know your rights webpage you can find info about disability accommodations, language assistance, and even learn about resisting voter intimidation efforts. So get your twenty twenty game plan on and as Maria says, go democracy. You'll people what's up welcome to in the thick. I Medina wholesome and I'm gala. And, this is Friday and this is it sound off and I'm dazed and confused because I didn't get a lot of sleep. I also just dazed and confused about what we're continuing to live in. That debate our first topic. I Made Popcorn I was like. I'm following the Julio Vibe, which is this is no longer about moving voters right? This is about entertainment and something that is not the political debates as we used to understand them Oh. Yeah. My popcorn was delicious but I really didn't even think about it as being entertaining I was actually sat most of the time. Except for seeing Kristen Welker who I think looked amazing I want that outfit I mean I'm sorry Christian that we're talking about that. I know but it was great. Professional ready to go like don't even try domeisen remain shout out for her for being the first black woman to moderate a debate since nineteen ninety, two to what the fuck how Jesus Nineteen Ninety-two you know she delivered because she stood up and she was firm and she asked questions that had never been asked she was in her space and she had these great follow up questions. It was different in that. We saw trump visibly trying to contain himself though eventually he did start to lose it and I felt that he did in fact rum ranch on. Yeah. So the thing is we all thought that Kristen had the mute button. Because I was screaming at her at this I was like Mama Mute Mute Him. She did not have control of the mute button. It was the debate commission the Presidential Debate Commission needs to be decommissioned and recommissioned i. see what you do. He ended up I hate saying this right why does this happen that he basically ended up running the show again he got in the last word, but is this where we play the trumpet Because we need to talk about what was discussed. Okay. This is a moment trumpets but really Latino here you go like bump and. Let's be honest as well. An hour into the last time I got presidential debate of twenty, twenty, four, the first time. We finally finally had a question on the trump administration's inhumane family separation policy and our producers fact check this. It wasn't in the first presidential debate wasn't in the VP debates it wasn't in the dueling town halls. Maria you and I kind of predicted this one during our editorial meeting because I mean, you didn't ask the question. When the breaking news was that women had their uteruses out you didn't find it offensive enough to ask a question then. Five hundred and forty five children that we know of so many that we do not even know about, but his seat does and does. That I think just because it was about children there had to be a question and I, hope that this was Christa and it was reported by NBC News I mean, let's be Real I. I'm glad it was asked Kristen Welker asked about family separation and here's how trump responded. So how will these families ever be reunited? Children are brought here by coyotes and lots of bad people cartels and they're brought here and they used to use them to get into our country. We now have a stronger borders we've ever had were over four hundred miles of brand new wall. You see the numbers and we let people in, but they have to come in legally and they come in through. With their family as to pay built cages used to say I built the cages and then they had a picture in a certain newspaper and it was a picture of these horrible cages and they said look at these cages president trump built them, and then it was determined they were built in two thousand fourteen. That was him bill. The kids yes. We're working on a very with we're trying very hard. She's his Christ everything that he's saying there I say it's the kitchen sink of every like neo native US immigration talking point it's all the dog whistles I'm just saying this because I have to. All these claims that these kids came without families with the coyotes or drug cartels or gangs is just absolute. One hundred percent falls bullshit. These kids came with their families. But I will save. Credit to. Kristen Welker, how she did Press Biden on the Obama Administration's legacy. So let's listen to that exchange. The Obama Administration did fail to deliver immigration reform, which had been a key promised during the administration at also presided over record deportations, as well as family detentions at the border before changing course. So why should voters trust you with an immigration overhaul now? Made a mistake made to took too long to get it right. Took too long to get it right. I'll be president United States not vice president United States and the fact is I've made it very clear. Within one hundred days I'm going to send to the United, States Congress a pathway to citizenship for over eleven, million undocumented people, and all of those. So called dreamers, those Daca kids they're going to be immediately certified again, able to stay in this country and put on a path to citizenship the idea that they are being sent home by this guy, and they want to do that is they've gone to a country. They've never seen before I. Can imagine you're five years old your parents are taking across the Rio Grande River is. And it's illegal and you say, my mom leave me here. I'm not going to go with you. They bet here member model said over twenty thousand first responders out there taking care of people during this crisis we owe them we owe them. Yes. You do owe them. You know who? This is a very this one hits home. I mean, I will say one thing about Biden. The fact that he led with the answer, we made a mistake and we learn you know I think that's the best. Form of an apology you're not gonNA get anything more I. Don't you know I think you're right I. Think you're helping me to put my feet on the ground I just. Knew that. I. Would ask that question right and he could have said that two months ago to me exactly. We made a mistake of course I would have said, are you prepared to apologize in which you would have said I am I'm sorry and it would have been like well, Hey. So now you got two months to kind of work on getting this vote now you've got less than two weeks. Agree you know I'm glad you do have to say it's a mistake, but we have so many feelings about this because it's been going on for so long. Yeah. Because our journalist colleagues led us down. Because we've been put to be some kind of Weirdos because we're always pushing on this question and asking and demanding answers and wanting to be included in these debates, and somehow we're made to feel like y'all need to calm down no no no. The only children right now that are being put in cages our children whose only crime is that they were not born in this country that is the new litmus test. And so I'm glad. But of course, I would have pushed much harder. I would have said. Something to the effect of Donald Trump what will be your response when the International Court of the Hayden calls it torture and begins to file charges against right. It's a clear contrast at least it was established way too late. But at least it happened and actually think it was a defining moment of the debate and I'm not even getting into the low. IQ comments that trump no no actually the whole thing at that moment he was like them over there the them yet it was so insulting, you know what? Fuck you trump fuck you for saying that because he's like, oh, the only ones who show up are the dummies that's what a court is about you show up because you understand your legal commitments. So insulting people for actually following the law. It's the same thing that he did when he said well, I paid the lease taxes because I'm the smart one, oh? Okay. All right. So let's move on. So right after the immigration section, the popcorn was getting hot and. Moved onto racism in the black lives matter movement. So this was another lie that trump to per smoker did a great job but this was a moment where I think there should have been a little bit more pushback from her when he says it nobody has done more for black Americans than himself other than Abraham Lincoln. He also said he was the least racist person in the room. What the hell does that minutes after he says, it migrants with low IQ's are the only ones who show up to asylum hearings. So let's listen to trump here. You've shared a video of a man chanting white power to millions of your supporters. You've said that black professional athletes exercising their first amendment rights should be fired. What do you say to Americans who say that kind of language from a president is contributing to a climate of hate and racial strife where you're the first time I ever heard of black lives matter. They were chanting pigs in a blanket talking about police pigs, pigs, talking about our police pigs in a blanket fry them like Bacon I said that's a horrible thing and they were marching down the street and that was my first glimpse of black lives. Matter I thought it was a terrible thing as far as. My relationships with all people. I think I have great relationships with all people. I am the least racist person in this room. But what do you say to Americans who are concerned by that rhetoric I don't I don't know what to say I got criminal justice reform done and prison reform. Bones took care of black colleges and universities I don't know what to say. They. Went Back and forth. To white guys arguing about WHO's had more policies towards black Americans no not harm. Trump did bring up Biden's role in the nineteen ninety-four Crime Bill. Biden. Brought up trump calling for the death penalty of the exonerated five from the central. Park case. Who spent years in prison for crime that they didn't do. Much. I wanted to share this common from. Our friend he it yeah the fabulous. Herndon of the new. York Times he said I find the race section of these debates stressful. So much of the politics in the section involve signalling to white people about black people and not talking about the interest of the black electorate. It's all dog whistle. Yeah. I would have expected. Bite into have a better response to. Did they think that trump wasn't gonna I mean it's a perfect attack line. Yeah. You know in you and I have been in fact attacking the Democrats and Biden for these things there should be a fruitful conversation robust conversation the Democratic Party, right about how to discuss this and so I do feel like Biden's answer was not as strong. Again, another will holy. Shit. I made such a mistake and like I said I agree with him I found the entire conversation around race just like gross by then I was grossed out was the popcorn still delicious by that time the popcorn was great but I actually tweeted yeah the first thing I tweeted was when trump actually. You can tell that he's having a bad moment voice starts going. Like he was doing that, and so I, tweeted like the high whiny voices release something because he when he feels cornered, he starts doing that and then the next thing I tweeted was yeah, I feel ill debate nausea. Yeah I was like no because again, we want more pushback. But at the same time, Kristen was really in a challenging situation. We're GONNA move on to our final topic, which is voting and voter suppression as of Thursday night. At least forty, seven, million people in the United States have already voted. That's the total amount of early voting that happened in twenty-six. Wow and about a third of the total votes cast in two thousand sixteen period. Well, this is according to Washington Post election tracker. This is pretty significant. Feel invigorated by this but Record number of people voting. Yes. But we're also seeing voter suppression. So the two thousand election cycle is one of the most litigated election cycles in US history with record numbers at least three, hundred eighty lawsuits conditions for throwing out mail ballots. The amount of time that officials have to count about even the number of drop boxes that are loud in a county. These are all being litigated, our producer harsh and a hot. Uh spoke with a member of Congress Democrat Sylvia got to see how whose district covers of eastern Houston Texas Latina Congress person this is amazing. There are more than just a OC by the way. Thank you for breaking the Internet from playing that game. Whatever it is you might recall from our life show that aired this past Tuesday, that because of the court ruling in the state there can only be one dropbox per county that's her area. So that includes Harris County, which has four point seven million residents. So representative Garcia's district is a big part of this whole discussion and representative Garcia's district is also majority lot necks over seventy percent and here's what representative Garcia had to say about voter suppression in her own district. This is very real and personal to me because it happens every election to people in my Detroit even to me, I have received letters trying to tell me that I'm GonNa be purged. From, the voter rolls I've been told that my name was on the Motorola and I can't vote I arrived at polling places that are not open. They're not ready and there's delays and people see the big lining they get discouragingly because they don't WanNa stand in line in this last primary I was told I couldn't vote because I had requested a mail ballot and therefore I couldn't vote in person and I said Yeah I did but I didn't send it in because I got it. So late, I knew it would be arriving time to be counted and they said well, then you're going to have to go ahead and turn it in at the main election. And say, no, I wanted to do it provisional vote and you'RE GONNA have to call it. I knew my right your average voter doesn't have gotten discourage. That's a sitting member of the House of Representatives. I'm really scared first of all, what a store wow. The number of times that she had to go through this and she acknowledges a privilege in knowledge because of who she is and then saying, well, at least I know my rights all the people in in my district or people around Texas or I mean I think about like valley other places people probably don't even know the strategy I'm just blown away by what she shared with us. So this is the Debbie Downer side of that high voter turnout rate. Yeah where we're seeing these really extraordinary numbers and we're like, Oh, my God. This is really amazing. But, it's hard to document people walking away when they see the long line. Unless you have someone like her who can talk about every instant document, every insect personalize it, and you know you have to have journalists that are asking have you ever experienced voter suppression so this is one of reasons why the voter suppression story is so difficult to tell but again at least. I think there's a term Ham handed. Yes. Ham handed. That's like you have hams for hands. That's what Amara Jones used during our live Tuesday show to talk about voter suppression sites. So just an update anymo- name mentioned the case. Yes. What happens on Navajo nation members in Arizona will not have extra time to cast mail in ballots after an appeals court rejected their case there's only eleven days between the male in application deadline and the election but the complaint said, it would take ten days for male reach the county offices from the reservation. So that case that Jenny was talking about throw Nazi update and Debbie Downer. Wow. Yeah not good. So if you can vote please. Do His all insane and talk to people. However it is that you communicate with people be asking them. How was your experience of voting? What are you thinking about like do this part of what? Democracy looks like so do that for your weekend and that's it I Medina I'm. GonNa. Go Mark Your calendars for election day. 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A Right to the City

Sidedoor

26:08 min | 3 years ago

A Right to the City

"This is for a podcast from Smithsonian with support from care ACT's. I'm Tony Collins. We used to be chocolate city, but now we're at forty nine percent. It's crazy that the destruction of this beautiful piece of black history was all caused by the city unfairly, raising the rent, historic neighborhoods, getting torn down and rebuilt as a high rise with a pen. And unfortunately not a lot of those people moving in look like mere any of my friends. The price of living here are rising so fast. It's impossible to even beat. They're pushing out the families that have lived here for decades, pretty much by the week destruction of supermarkets, libraries, churches, and small corner stores, just so that they can send the folks and build over condos and Starbucks galore. You just heard eighteen year old Nunez tell the story of neighborhoods in Washington DC, but it could easily apply to dozens of other cities in America is she read the poem at the Smithsonian's anacostia community museum and the reading kind of a perfect example of why the museum says it is of for and by the people because I as one of eleven teams from the area who's in a writing workshop at the museum, she's been part of her summer immersed in an exhibition about neighborhood change in her city, Washington, DC. It's affected only been called chocolate city by many African American residents, though noticeably less, oh, since loss. It's African American majority owns ten years ago. If you live in or near a city, you might have seen the pattern issue should describe yourself a house or buildings, neglected condos are built in its place, a Starbucks, our whole foods opened up down the block wealthier. People start moving in housing costs rise. In some cases, long-term residents say the new retail development price them out of a neighborhood that they lived in for decades others, say newcomers, bring. Money to a community that could use more the processes become something of a flashpoint from Honolulu to Harlem and beyond its gentrification, a, we're that describes what's happening in cities all around the world. Gentrification can almost feel like an abstract academic term to a lot of people. But when it comes for your neighborhood, you know it when you see it. So this time on side door will hear about the complicated feelings that arise when a tightknit Washington community wants written off as a center for crime and poverty turns into a housing hotspot for newer richer residents, Emma hero uphill nearing museum. At the center of changing neighborhood empowers group of local teens to keep a record of their ever-evolving communities. How would you like even more side door access? Join our Email list for bonus content from our episodes directly from Tony, you'll even get to hear from the Smithsonian school network of experts conducting critical research, making stonning discoveries and designing all inspiring exhibitions. It's like having a VIP badge to our podcast. Perfect for curious, passionate people like you visit. I dot EDU slash side door to sign up today. That's s. i. dot EDU slash side door. A twelve minute drive from where the sider teamwork's in Washington DC is the neighborhood of anacostia. It's east of the National Mall, which is where most of the Smithsonian museums are and separated from the rest of the city by the anacostia river in the middle of the neighborhood is the anacostia community museum. And when you walk inside, it feels like walking into Washington DC's, family, photo album. You got a sense of the smaller neighborhoods that make up a city with a big impact. There are photos documentaries and oral histories from residents of a city with a robust history of community activism a history that can often be overlooked when so much of its legacy is tied to the federal government and the neighborhood that this museum is named after anacostia is lesser known but pops up in US history books. As a point of interest. It was involved in fights to desegregate public spaces before that it was home to abolitionist Frederick Douglass and more recently. It gave lies to go. Now it's home to Rosie hide. She's a retired parole and probation officer proud Washingtonian and his lived in anacostia since the nineteen eighty s cider producer Lima Shaw went to her home to learn more about the neighborhood. Can you describe where we're for people? Okay, with sitting on the porch and they get mid business, son is out here. What can I say that's older store in Anna Kosti or whatever? All right here my neighbor did. He is she eighty eighty four years old. My neighbouring to corners. Eighty four with a ninety two year old husband, whatever. It's a close knit community and it's we're hides. Children are falling and we'll grandkids are growing up. I'll see if that's my baby's Clave. Watch it ago had better pay. Doing. For decades hides community has been mostly African American, Emma Kostya and other neighborhoods like it. We're segmented from the rest of Washington DC by the anacostia river and anacostia became known as a crime ridden in low income neighborhoods ba- lately that is starting to change because Washington DC needs more housing for its growing number of new wealth residence. In the last three years, some of the fastest climbing home values have been in around anacostia and with pricier homes, come newer amenities to pull land Starbucks. Both recently announced their first locations east of the river. You may remember I usua- alluding to that in her poem earlier and don't worry. We'll get to hear more of that poetry later. Rosie high, totally a more about anacostia evolution to an up and coming neighborhood when they stopped inside. Hot. To buy your house. People since I'm in the mail every day. I get some every weekend to me how much they offered you in the letters, the max, five hundred. Okay. How much did you buy the house for sixty John? Think that was bad and best? By the way, having someone offer you five hundred thousand dollars for a house that you bought for sixty thousand dollars needs that its value grew by over seven hundred percent and a few decades for some people selling a house that has skyrocketed in value is too good of a deal to pass up. Hides neighbor for example, is selling her house, but Hyde says that she has no plans to do the same. Now's can never be for sale. Never ever. It is air property. I have a son and he is a pal house. He has mumps Chad. Okay. And when I'm done messing around here, I don't know what it'd be, but it won't be so okay. Matt thing is building generational wealth is west import. So when any given day you come in this house, you found four generations of people. And so. That's how it's always been growing up. So she plans on keeping her house in the family, but for some people selling your home for a lot more than you bought it for is too good of a deal to pass up my neighbor, European just moved in June, whatever these lobbyists and his girlfriend, the person who was in house before him. She died two years ago and they sold the house and he just moved in June of lay shere. He don't own house is now from the people bought down. Now, if you haven't already, gust would hide thing is pretty characteristic of gentrification. What's unique in anacostia though, is that the feelings residents are expressing about gentrification inside their homes are also being preserved for the public because backup has been Sonian anacostia community museum community members and curator's documenting neighborhood change as it happens smear, Miguel, chief curator at the museum. We're an exhibition called a right to the city is on display. It looks at the transformations that Washington neighborhoods, including anacostia having going through for years, and he told us why the rising property value that height is saying can be good news for some, but definitely not everyone. So there is with rising property values, all kinds of applications. Some of the obvious positive ones are that you know, for homeowner, that has owned a home for a long time that sees their property value rise. That means they have more value for their home. But at the same time can come with that rising property taxes and part of the child is particularly as you see for senior homeowners and side. Note smear isn't crazy about using the word gentrification. Gentrification is actually a term. I largely void. It is a term that has taken on so many meanings over time that depending on the day, depending on the person you ask, they'll get quite a different definition. So you won't be hearing us use the g word much in this episode. Instead Samir described what's happening in Rosie heights neighborhood is part of an ongoing process of change that could be disappointing for some and exciting for others. And the reality is neighborhoods like Anna Kostya. There are deeply mixed feelings about that kind of change. On the one hand, there's both desire for more daycare facilities to more supermarkets, more sit down restaurants. But also for the community to have a greater sense of ownership over those amenities when they arrive. There's also a cultural component to all of this when residents who've been living in an area for decades leave. Sometimes neighborhoods, flavor and customs go with them. And while these changes are happening. Now, their roots are old. You know, the changes that have reshaped this community over the past sixty seventy years. Our changes have affected neighborhoods across the country. This community historically was actually two communities. One white one black living side-by-side living segregated worlds. And that began to change in the nineteen fifties. When a number of proc- started to unfold, you might be able to guess what some of those processes were. A big one was desegregation when Washington DC public schools ended segregation in nineteen fifty four. A lot of white residents left east of the river communities like anacostia heading for other parts of Washington in the suburbs instead. And let's not forget the other process, urban renewal, a federal policy that was big in the nineteen fifties and sixties. And the idea was that the federal government would fund sensually any municipality across the country that was interested in quote, unquote, renewing particular neighborhoods in their cities. And these neighborhoods disproportionately ended up being working class African American neighborhoods and some cases, Latino neighborhoods, Chinese American neighbor. Hoods. The idea was to tear down what we're called slum neighborhoods and replace them with the Ford -able housing, but urban renewal resulted in less housing more strip malls and disbursed disconnected communities. Eventually national figures like novelist, James Baldwin who is known for his social commentary in the fifties and sixties said urban renewal was designed to target African Americans. A boy last week was Ecksteen Adventists Koto mate on television down his house because Cisco is engaging. Most other cities. Now aged in some urban renewal, which means moving to goes out. It means the removal. That is what it means. And the federal government is is accomplice to this bat in Washington, DC's case, urban renewal projects pushed working class African Americans out of different corners of the city and into areas like anacostia combine that with white flight that took place in the same areas after school desegregation and the result is this, the creation of ninety plus percent African American neighborhood. That as it became more African American in its demographics became increasingly neglected by the city. And over time became a DP stigmatize neighborhood. And if you're listening to the story and feeling like could apply to Chicago Houston, New Haven, Connecticut, and other cities while it's because it does anacostia and the rest of southeast Washington are in the federal government's backyard. So when lawmakers thinking about everything from urban renewal to the war on drugs, anacostia was sometimes a laboratory for national policies affecting cities. I should add. Something here neighborhoods changing, both economically and socially seems like it's in the DNA of America. You know what we think of gentrification is both older new there, elements that have very, very deep roots. And yet there is something distinctive about the change that's reshaping cities, both American global cities. Now, the extent in the pace at which populations are growing and the extent to which residents of cities in some cases don't have the right to exercise influence over the change that's happening, I think is also importantly new. In some ways, the money coming in might be new, but the story is old. Think about it. This part of town went from racially segregated communities living side by side to almost entirely African American, and now that's changing again and remember the teen writers that I was telling you about earlier, well, they're absorbing the history that's documents in the right to the city exhibition and for some of the writer. Here's the story hits really close to home. Amara Jones is seventeen years old and grew up in anacostia her entire life. She seems neighborhood change in history books and from our own front porch. Here's the poem that she shared blowing into blackness. How long how long she thinks and says, as she waits for change has been spoken of never completed, why mama wonders as a circle of a miliary closes around her, the fight for quality has been fought before, but an equally. So she moma's and complains about the advantages of the whites, the rights of the whites in the pleasures that her children are not welcome to enjoy the joy. She excuses herself from daily because of the color of her skin. Tongue burns when she must say baby, you cannot go there because you are not woken daughter, you're just a smartest them. They are scared of your smarts. Not your looks. Don't worry. He says, momma, I. May white friends. They have invited me over to play. She says, you do not have white friends, nor do you have right neighbors. You have both who want to take you away from me. Where's poppa your daddy works across town to provide you better? Why do you worry me with his whereabouts you eat, don't you? I need new shoes, mama. I need a new life baby. Can we go to the fair, are we white? Is Danny ever coming home? Is your stomach full? Her painting of change had become smeared d'image trampled, even her desires have metamorphasized. She no longer wanted change. She looked for revenge. We'll hear more from Amara and how she in the museum captured neighborhood changed around them right after this. What's an old Gaito. How do you preserve? Tallet sculpture did big bird really almost go into space. If you question that you'd like answered by the Smithsonian now's your time to be heard. No, actually your voice may end up on the show. All you have to do is leave his voice mail had the side door hotline, which is two, two, six, three, three, four, one, two. I'll say it again, that's two, two, six, three, three, four one to give us your first name where you're calling from and what you want to know more about. Who knows? It may even be our next door episode. We're back. And here's a quick recap. Anacostia is a neighborhood in southeast Washington DC, separated from the rest of the city by the anacostia river overtime, developed a reputation as a neighborhood hard hit by crime and poverty. Now is population swell in Washington d. c. n. cities worldwide anacostia is going from the wrong side of the tracks. Or in this case, the river to potential housing hotspot for newer wealthier residents. Lots of cities have seen this pattern, and usually the good news is this new money can bring things like better grocery stores and parks the bad. It can often lead to longtime residents being pushed out by rising costs just before the break. You heard a home from seventeen year old Amari Jones. She wrote about neighborhood change in a workshop at the Smithsonian anacostia community museum. That workshop is led by Pierre panic. She's an educator who's a big believer in focusing on African American history and the power of writing report of the summer peer guided eleven teens is they wrote poetry memoirs, and shortstop. Is about neighborhood change in Washington DC, and she did that by using the right to the city exhibition as a teaching tool. When I started talking about it and showing them film footage of a sort of different forms of gentrification going on all over the world, then they started to really care. They took a wonderful tour of the exhibit was a Dosen, let tore which allowed them to empathize a little bit more about what the residents were going through in feeling. And that's what inspired the Palme Mario read earlier, and I caught up with her after her reading growing up, like do you have any memories what it was like kit it in Shula. Oh, when I was younger, I used to play on the front porch all the time. That was my place. That was the place to be hanging with my next door neighbors. But now I'm just kinda like school home school home because I don't have a lot of friends around areas. My piece was about the early part of the cost yo with him, lose were separated by in Kostya river, but not only that because of the color of their skin. They weren't permitted to go to certain places. So I was looking at one of the documentaries in one of the ladies. She was talking about how when she was younger, she couldn't go to enjoy the movie theater or go to certain events over there because it just was not open to her. So everything she did wasn't how wrote community. I tell us the right about it because it's still kind of current today. Although we automated to go to certain places, sometimes you don't always feel welcomed in. I know I have experienced that myself, so to be able to connect with something like that and into speak about it again, was very powerful to me. So obviously change is kind of a big theme here, but sometimes when it's happening around you every day, it's hard to spot and it's not always clear how you can influence it. That is where people like pure pennant come in, encouraging teen story about how they feel about neighborhood change is a way of empowering a future generation writing about the six. It is ownership. It doesn't matter how the city changes, but they can always write about it and remember it through their writings and through their turn Listrik memoirs. They can write in keep that the city may change, but our memories won't. Our memories will not be loss. If you haven't felt this way already, let me state the obvious version. The anacostia community museum is different. It reflects a. Back onto itself to ordinary stories from ordinary people and placing it in the puzzle extrordinary issues that define our times. Would you make a case to a tourist who is visiting from not the DMV area who wants to see ruby slippers and the hope diamond? Would you make a case them that they should come east of the river to visit the anacostia community museum, then Akashi museum pioneered the whole idea of what a community museum could be. You know, in the late nineteen sixties. It was truly a radical notion that a museum would break the mold of being this place where only certain kinds of history, traditional histories or traditional artists work was being displayed and highlighted as a talk to some your. I realized that part of his job is bridging the past and the present as much as these issues of neighborhood change. Advocation seem like new and recent actually are much older. And so I think people are empowered by the idea. That these are issues that communities have faced in in some cases successfully worked through. And you know, I think hopefully we'll walk away with a deeper understanding of these complex issues, hopefully inspired by some of the histories that are recounted and a desire more than anything else to to get involved on a more meaningful level. And that's part of the power of the exhibition and the kids poetry. They showcase how changes constant and maybe an edible. It asks a key question of people who knew the city decades ago and also those who are coming up in it. Now, the question is this who has a right to a city and maybe who should have the power to change it. I was really moved by the writing. I heard from the kids who were digesting all of this. So leave you with one last poem. This is from thirteen year, old Cohen, body freedom. Freedom isn't ever less than who know most reached can never be taken away. Freedom. Freedom was like a breeze lightly. Gliding past your face freedom free. Adam was like, the sun's rays eliminating your soul. Freedom will never stop striving for you. Freedom is like a man finally running without shackles. Freedom is like a dog running without a leash. The hold it back freedom is like a person with a passport to wander, the world wonders what it has to offer. Freedom is like relaxing wins on the highway. Freedom is not having to worry about your house being Bodos. Freedom is hope. This episode of cider is dedicated to the memory of Laurie Yariesh. The late director of the Smithsonian anacostia community museum who's incredible energy and enthusiasm inspired. Everyone knew her. And if you're ever in the neighborhood in perusing, Smithsonian museums in Washington, c, make sure you meet our friends in Kostya and get a feel for the community after all this all politics are local politics, and those words Ville pretty wise. When you see the exhibit right to the city, it's a small piece of the enormous gentrification puzzle that people are trying to solve across the country. You've been listening to side door. A podcast Smithsonian with support from PR. Hey, Tony, I just wanted to record something not on you. Oh my God. I'm so sorry since you're here, we might as well who you are. So Doria NHS meet Halina Shaw, hey, you heard her talking to miss Hyde earlier in the podcast. It's the two of you were having a great time on report. I did. And you know, as a new person who moved into Washington DC, I felt very strange asking her about the value of her home and asked really specific questions, but she was very nice about it. But honestly, having intimate conversations like that on her porch in her home around her neighborhood, that's one of the best parts of working for side door. Hopefully we'll hear more of you doing just that because dear listeners, I have some bitter sweet news. It's my last episode is host of side door starting a new adventure soon, and globe tracking through Australia, Asia and Europe. And for now I'm going to be passing the mic over to Houma. Do you wanna do that now? Does okay. Maybe we should do this later. I feel like you in the audience might need a moment alone, Tony. Okay, blue bonus dessert or something where we do much smoother Mike hand off in introduction to you. Okay. Good idea. Cider is possible by funding from the secretary of Smithsonian balls, the Smithsonian national board and listeners like you who allow Smithsonian to do its work. And if you've been enjoying cider, leave us a review in apple podcasts, it helps you find us and scratch their Smithsonian. It's our podcast team is just no Neil, Michelle, Jason northbound in Jess audit, Greg Fisk, and Elizabeth Pilger extra support comes from John Barth, Genevieve sponsor our shows mixed by tar Fuda our theme song and other music or by brake master cylinder. If you do want to sponsor show, please Email sponsorship at PX dot org. So for the last time, at least for now I'm your host, Tony Kahn. Thanks for listening. Tears.

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Hubble Computer Crash

SpaceTime with Stuart Gary

29:44 min | 3 months ago

Hubble Computer Crash

"This is space time series. Twenty four percent seventy three for broadcast on the twenty eighth of june twenty twenty one coming up on space time. The hubble space telescope drops into safe mode following a major onboard computer crash southern launch gets approval for south australian over launch complex and a strange new object from the cloud on its way to our solar system all that and more coming up on space time. Welcome to space time. We'd stewart gary. Nasa's hubble space telescope is dropped into safe mode following a k. Onboard computer crash ole cameras and scientific instruments now off-line and astronomical programs have being halted as mission manages at nasa has got space flight center in greenbelt maryland. Try to determine what's gone wrong and rectify the problem mission managers originally thought that a bad memory board in one of the orbiting observatories nineteen eighty s vintage computers which control the science instruments may have caused the shutdown flight controllers tried to restart that computer but it crashed to gain after performing tests on several of the computer memory modules. The results indicate that a different piece of computer hardware must have caused the problem with the memory errors simply being a symptom. Technicians are now planning to switch to a backup memory unit yup rations teams investigating whether what's known as standard interface hardware which bridges the communications between the computer central processing module and other components or the central processing module. Itself is responsible for the issue. If the problem with the computer can't be fixed. The operations team was switched to a backup payload computer the teams already conducted ground test and operations procedure. Reviews they did to verify all the commanding requirements needed to perform the switch on spacecraft. If the backup payload computers hardware is turned on several days. We'll be required to assess the computer's performance and restore normal science operations however back-up computers not being powered on since installation in two thousand and nine. Magin the owls of updated be after if it was your laptop nasa says the computer was thoroughly tested on the ground prior to its installation on the space craft the payload computer is a nasa standard spacecraft computer one system built in the nineteen eighties. That's located on the science instrument command and data handling unit after eighteen years in audit the original science instrument command and data hanley unit experience. The failure in two thousand and eight that delayed the final servicing mission to hubble a replacement was prepared for flight in may two thousand nine as this one twenty five was launched and the astronauts installed the existing units backup. The replacement contains the original hardware from the nineteen eighties with four independent sixty four k. Memory modules of complimentary middle oxide semiconductor memory. Only one memory module is used operationally with the other three servings backups. Oh four modules. Candy used access. From either of the redundant payload computers lonestar nine hundred ninety with more than thirty years of operations now behind hubble space telescope observations which have captured the world's imagination and deepen scientists understanding of the cosmos. This space time still to come. Some launch gets approval for its new south australian orbital launch complex and mysterious new or cloud. Object on its way to our solar system all that and more still to come on space time southern launches new whale as way over launch complex is a step closer to fruition with full approval now given for construction to begin initial approval. See the construction of a temporary launch pad and support facilities native to conduct three test flights designed to gather data to validate computational noise and vibration modeling for the site which is located on south australia's eyre peninsula near the fishing town of port lincoln. The contract codes for the test flight program to begin before the thirty first of december southern launches spent the past eight months working with government and independent agencies to put together their development proposal. A launch complex approximately twelve hundred hake days of open land including over six kilometres of ocean frontage for south would launch to jittery company says well as way could eventually carry out forty orbital launches a year rockets will fly south of the great southern ocean into polar orbits korean. Space company peres spaces already sign up to use the facility with eight launches now on it's sorta books before the covid. Nineteen pandemic hit. The company had planned to launch. Its first rocket blue. Well one from the whale as way complex almost exactly a year ago the eight and a half meter toll. One thousand seven hundred nine kilogram to stage launch vehicle back by samsung is designed to deliver one hundred and fifty kilogram payload into a five hundred kilometer. I sun synchronous orbit. Once blue ones operational parody plans that have opened a lodge a rocket capable of carrying payloads of up to three hundred kilograms into low-earth-orbit southern launch already operates a separate rocket test range on aboriginal land kanimba forty kilometers from sajida on the south west rain west coast which is used to trial launch vehicles. Meanwhile a second company equatorial launch australia plans to provide launch services for sanni rocket flights for nasa from the new purpose built on them. Space center launch complex. Nullum boy seven hundred kilometers south east of the northern territory capital down the sub orbital flights will use black brad rockets to carry a series of scientific payloads including spectrometers to study the light spectrums from the african centauri triple star system looking for atmospheres roddick's so planets and take interstellar gas so as to better understand the structure and evolution of galaxies. And of course last month third company jomo space technologies rich agreement to develop its own launch complex at abbot point knee bowen in tropical north queensland. They'll undetake over the launches on equatorial projector. Easy new aries rocket. Gorongosa plans to make use of the whale as wayland complex wants had spilt fairies rockets on polo flights. This space time. Still the come a mysterious new or cloud object on its way and a new instrument to make one of the world's biggest telescopes even better all that and more still to come on space time. Answer me this. How long have you had that mattress. Because it's looking even lumpia than my lockdown love handles and while those might be more cuddly olympia matches doing nothing for your comfort levels or your sleep. So what. Everybody you're rocking. Put it on a nectar mattress and right. Now you can save over five hundred dollars on any queen or king bundle that includes nectar mattress foundation mattress protector cooling pillows and sheets said as well as our three hundred sixty five night home trial and a forever warranty goto nectar sleep dot com slash. Save five hundred and get hugged. Astronomers have discovered a large old cloud object several hundred kilometers wide which is heading for the inner solar system l. e. estimates suggest the object which has been named twenty fourteen. You into seventy one is between one hundred and three hundred seventy kilometers across placing it somewhere between a really big combet and a really small dwarf planet either way. It makes it one of the largest nine. All cloud objects ever observed the orange. Cloud is a theoretical sphere of comets frozen roads and i see debris extending from around three hundred billion kilometers out to over ally. From the sun deep into interstellar space the region contains objects which were either created early in the solar system's history which originated from beyond our solar system. And what you become gravitationally bound at sun the cloud was first postulated in one thousand nine hundred fifty by the dutch astronomy. John henry or you're going to explain why they continue to be new comets with elongated our solar system. Your clouds thought to be different from the built the ring of frozen world comments icy debris circling the sun beyond the orbit of neptune. Thought of the informed out of the builder's rubble lift either from the formation of the solar system. Four point six billion years ago. Two thousand fourteen you into seventy one was discovered in our kind of limoges collected for the dark energy survey between twenty fourteen and twenty eighteen. Astronomers found it was on six hundred and twelve thousand one hundred ninety year orbit stretching from the cloud to the in sola system which is almost perpendicular to the ecliptic. The plane created by the planets as they orbit the sun it's currently on its inbound. Pat of that journey about twenty two astronauts genetically get attacked from the sun which is closer than the orbit of neptune an astronomical unit being the average distance between the earth and the sun which equates to one hundred fifty million kilometres or eight point. Three light minutes in the past seven years twenty fourteen. Un to seventy one has traveled about seven astronomical units will make its closest approach to the earth and the sun in twenty thirty one went after flying over the sun. It'll swing rounded the orbit of sandton ten point nine astronomical units before heading back out again well too small with the at i. Twenty fourteen you into seventy one should appear as bright as pluto telescopes a meyer even begin to resemble a comment with cameron tale as its icy. Surface begins to evaporate it's worth pondering that the last time. This particular object was this close to the earth was at a time when the first neanderthals may have started walking on the earth surface and a time long before the first homer sapiens existed. This space time. Still to come and you instrument to make one of the world's biggest telescopes even better and later on the science report bruce pasco's controversial book darkin you slam by leading scientists. Oh that most oda come on space time Scientists are developing in you instrument for the world's biggest telescopes that will allow it to pierre even further back in space and time. The instrument is called the multi conjugate adaptive optics assisted visible imager inspector graph or mavis for short. It combines adaptive optics and spectroscopy while at the same time extending its range over more frequencies in the visible lyra gene mavis will be fitted to one of the four eight point to made it. Telescopes that make up. The european southern observatory's very large telescope array or vlt in chile once fitted it'll produce images three times sharper than those of the hubble space telescope allowing astronomers to see furthering clearer unlocking mysteries of the early universe. The fifty seven million dollars seventy project to build the instrument is being led by the australian national university. The consortium including macquarie university put simply maybe will remove the blurring from images caused by turbulence in its atmosphere in the process pushing back the cosmic frontier of watts visible mavis project scientist associate professor richard. Mcdermott from macquarie university says the ability to deliver corrected images over a wide field of view. Using one of the world's largest telescopes is what makes me as a first of its kind instrument. He says the new technology mavis will allow strana to see further back in time than ever before allowing them to explore. How the first stars will form more than thirty billion years ago and even how whether changes on distant planets and moons. Mesa is an instrument that we are building that's going to be attached to telescope in chile. The special thing about this instrument is that it's going to let that telescope to correct for the effects of our sphere and give us a shopper view of the night skies and we've been able to obtain before in fact we expect it to be even sharper and clearer than the hubble. Space telescope adaptive optics. Talking about right yes. So maybe three an acronym and it stands for multi car adaptable six assisted visible immature inspect. Grab but it shortens neighbor and the first part of the acronyms and multiple adopted optics. That's a relatively new way of doing what i said. Correct correcting for our sadness. Fear understanding that through this technique of of adoptable picks and it's doing it in a way that allows us to actually correct and larger field of view for the insurance. That's the multi conjugate part. We get to correct for actually different layers in our atmosphere and that allows us to deliver a very sharp and a very large field of view to this instrument. Now that's evolved as we know it today doesn't enhance the entire visual spectrum. Only a part of it and this extends that to a large area of the electromagnetic spectrum. That's correct so the the technique of adoptive all ticks and maybe explain what what adaptable because when we looked into space from the ground we have to look at south fear and of course the atmosphere is a very dynamic entity. And there's turbulence there's wind those affect change the path of the like that comes towards those and it does not very short timescales. Maybe we can effect with the naked eye when we see stars twinkling but twinkling effect is the effect of thomas fear. But when you look in with a large telescope this shows is kind of a blurring of the image and so that's what helps us to correct for an remembers now with pushing this technique to overhaul the visible light spectrum. Are the kind of life that is our of existing it up to six has typically been done at longer wavelengths infrared wavelengths and it's a bit easier to make these corrections at this runs for various reasons but basically the effect of various Less quickly and the overall they'll pick so we have to use a longer wavelengths can be larger and easier to talk with mavis. We're trying to push this to shorter wavelengths visible whereas you routing that for a number of reasons. The most obvious one is that the visible light spectrum has a lot of information a rich chemical information that we can get for ostra physical objects. It's a very information rich region but it's very hard to walk in with us it up to six because the timescales are very short and the manufacturer tics we have to make is very challenging. But we're confident we can do this with me. And that's one of the areas since he's gonna push empty from a technology standpoint so it works by shining a laser up into the sky and it hits sodium atoms at us at a reasonably high altitude. Where any distortion. He's picked up by computer. That affects actuate is on the mirror itself. Correct yes i just said you know with adoptable. Basically measuring atmosphere is doing. We have to do one very short timescales. We have to measure or two thousand times per second and so because we need to make those measurements. We need right sources to look at and those will give us the photons of light us make. Those measurements bought bright stars everywhere in the sky. And so instead we shine bright blazers up on the andy stimulate apart of the atmosphere. That's rich in sodium and basically fluorescent light and create a light at around one hundred kilometers above our heads and we can look at that is a cold for amateurs doing. That's remeasure amateurs being with these so-called laser guide stars and then we changed the shape of a mirror. It's called a deformed woman there's actually three of them in nasa's which ship for the mirror which basically does reverse distortion to the light of. What the spirited and once alike comes off of those matters is basically correct for the distortions caused by your son this year. So yeah we have big lasers we have these large so called former which are moving at a dozen times or second we're measuring atmosphere at the same rate and all about has to come together and work. I'm not we'll deliver. These are beautiful correct and images that this is going to work out. And that's the first part of mavis but there's also the specter graphic side of his will. That's correct so always talked about is the baltics. That's basically cleaning up the and then sharpening incorrectly for atmosphere where they don't want to look at and analyse make measurements mess for the science comes in to. Maybe this is going to have an integer. Just taking kind of broad light images but also have what we call an integral field spectrum and it's kind of like an immature but imagine the inch where every pixel has a rainbow spectrum behind and so about breaks up the land constituent wavelength and. That's where we get these chemical and banana. Coal mingo prints from national. Physical sources of this equipment will be fitted to one of the full eight mated telescopes on the veil tease correct One of the reasons. We are so proud and excited to be working on mavis that it's actually stralia. Unlatch project and such an international consortium with partners in italy and france or helping build mavis. That grip is led by teams here in australia. And the reason that we're able to lead such an instrument for the european southern observatory is because in two thousand seventeen. The government Started a ten year partnership with european southern to ever trade. That brings australia almost like a like a full partner for about consortium and that gives us access to telescopes so australian researchers can use telescopes but also let lead in developed technology for telescopes. And that's the really exciting benefit to this partnership we turned on how with you so so yes. We'll be building the mavis between the groups here australia and initially that we bring it all together and ship chilly or it gets installed in the telescope there at the time of knowledge ever tree. And that's where it listen work. That's mavis project. Scientist associate professor richard mcdermott from macquarie university. And this space. Time looking for a new podcast. Listen to. here's what we love. Courtesy of a-cash recommends shame on any politician introducing these hateful mean-spirited and discrimatory bills. That are anti american. I'm amara jones. Come join me in a new podcast presented by translation media. What the other side is arguing for is constitutional rights to not have to share space with trans people from the heritage foundation to the devos family. I'll show you that. The anti translate movement is far deeper and more chilling than you could have ever imagined. You know they're really going into communities and stirring up trouble. This is how you establish minority rule. Subscribe to the anti translate machine plot against equality wherever you listen to podcasts. Cash copycat and tom. That'll take a brief look at some of the other stories making using science this week with the signs report a new study which is yet to be. Peer reviewed suggests that people who second shot. It's the fis vaccine. After a first short of the astrazeneca jab may develop better immune protection than those given to astrazeneca doses. Now it's important to point. These are only pulmonary results from a very small study but they do follow several other studies from the uk. Spain and germany which have produced similar positive preliminary findings on the immune response however scientists warned that all. These studies are still far too small to provide a definitive recommendation. The findings come in the wake of canada's decision to change its recommendation i'm mixing vaccines and now recommend that people receive astrazeneca as the first dose should get fires during up for their second shot. Australia recently announced that it was phasing out. The astrazeneca vaccine following tj approval of madonna and access to additional doses of the pfizer vaccine the world health organization now estimates more than eight million people have been killed by the covid nineteen coronavirus with more than four million confirmed fatalities and more than one hundred and eighty million people infected since the deadly disease. I spread out of war and china. Unesco is recommended that the great barrier reef placed on a list of heritage sites that are in danger. The world's largest coral reef has suffered three major bleaching events since two thousand fifteen ju to global warming. Unesco says the riff should be placed on the list of the world heritage committee meeting next month. The recommendation also urges australia to take accelerated action at all possible levels on polluted water from run off and on climate change the latter a rather interesting request included at the insistence of china which currently hits unesco especially considering. China produces a third of the world's greenhouse gases and australia's entire annual greenhouse. Gas output is low than china's annual increase in carbon dioxide production. His pasco's controversial book dark. Amy it looks like it has no feathers after being slammed by some of australia's leading scientists. The an anthropologist paid a satin and respected archaeologists kieran walsh supported by many other academics have produced. What many are calling the definitive critique of pasco's dark emu the eminent scientists new book farmers or hunter gatherers document debate meticulously visceral pasco's book forensically examining the claims. He makes and accusing him of a lack of true scholarship ignoring aboriginal opinions and traditional aboriginal culture they accuse pasko of editing the original colonial observations until they fitted his personal narrative. They say that while duckie me purports to be factual. It is in fact littered with source material. It's poorly researched. It distorts and exaggerates many points. It selectively emphasizes evidence to sue the authors opinions and it ignores lodge bodies of information that don't support pasquas narrative. That's also of you supported by peter o'brien's book bitter harvest the illusion of aboriginal agricultural. Bruce pasco's dark emu bit harvest was another forensic examination. Which showed that. Bruce pasqua amidst the starts and mischaracterizes important permission to such an extent that as purported history doc. Mu is worthless and promoted divisive. victim-based agenda that pits one australian against another the far left wing australian broadcasting corporation the. Abc has strongly back pasco's book with at least twenty six abc journalists and broadcasters promoting pasco's claims in dark emu however in an article for the conversation honorary senior australian national university. Electric christine judith nichols says the willingness to accept pasco's argument reveals a systematic area of failure in the australian education system. She points out that while. Some of described doc eighty was fabrication. Sutton walter more measured pathetically showing that index emu pesca has moved significant passages from publication which contradict objectives. This cherry picking is designed to support. Pasco's contention that aboriginal people were farmers undertook the took sophisticated aquiculture and lived in houses in towns of a thousand people nichols says that on the basis of long-term research and observation sutton wars portray classical australian aboriginal people as highly successful hunter gatherers and fishes. She says in the book. I assert that there was an is nothing simple primitive about hunter gatherer officials labor practices which has a complexity that was and in many cases still is underpinned by high levels of spiritual and belief and you study has discovered why people are afraid of the dog other that is in the fear of walker be lurking their wedding to ham you a report in the journal plus one is found that a section of the brain used for processing emotions could be the reason for your fear that doc scientists at monash university found the amid dealer collection of brain cells that plays a role in regulating emotion and fear could be the key. Research is scan the brain activity of twenty four people as they are exposed to light and dark and found. That light was suppressing activity in the della and allows for greater connection to other sections of the brain that assists in regularity and expressing fear or forget covid nineteen international politics when it comes to internet click bait. It's hard to beat stories on alien life and flying sources and proof of that is the latest video. That's been doing the rounds on the net in india. Tim minimum from from australian. Skeptic says vision shows what looks like a strange alien like humanoid creature walking on the side of a road or does it. I riding india at night and some with driving pots and uh in the headlights vision ltd but they can say this person. This alien long legs longed very white. Walking along the road from some people look ran away drive away other straightaway and came back again and i was filmed look like typical not feeling but they got closer. And so the whistle viral. The video went viral around the world. People said look. I prequel in one of the right looking casually and that sort of thing. Okay so i'm looking at this person who's obviously fallen in a box of flour. Walking along a road in india Why is this an alien within about bat Minutes these viral video was debunked by some journalists who had the nerve to actually talk to the witnesses with people on the bikes. And i said yeah. We just went back there and had to look and there was a rather disgraceful naked lady. Good at that didn't stop the video going viral through suicide there. She that's traveled a lot more quickly than than real time. Stuff look good. I mean as far as as videos of aliens looking on the road. it's not perfectly clear. It's filmed the not never had a lot of a compromise. Is that some sort of not on naked. Not just a very pile person and and then a bribe light of headline by look. Why just might have been. Yeah it was to see someone who is just the latest from someplace where they'd been kicked they would just a very what doesn't make it mendham from australian skeptics and that's the shut for now space-time is available every monday wednesday and friday through apple podcasts. I tunes stitcher bugle. Podcast okay casts spotify aac cast amazon music bites dot com soundcloud youtube your favorite podcast. Download provider and from space-time with stewart gary dot com space times also broadcasts through the national science foundation on science own. Radio am both iheartradio and choon in radio. And you can help to support our show by visiting the space time store for a range of promotional merchandising goodies all by becoming a space time patron which gives you access to triple episode commissioner free versions of the show as well as lots of burns audio content. Which doesn't go away. Access to exclusive facebook group and rewards. Just go to space time with stewart. 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 The death truck: how a solution to Mexicos morgue crisis created a new horror  podcast

The Audio Long Read

30:14 min | 3 months ago

The death truck: how a solution to Mexicos morgue crisis created a new horror podcast

"The guardian welcome to the guardian long. Read showcasing the best long form journalism covering culture politics and new thinking for the text version of this and all our long reads go to the guardian dot com slash this audio long read contained language. You may find offensive. The death truck. How a solution to mexico's more crisis created a new hora. How did a lorry carrying two hundred. Seventy three dead bodies end up stranded on the outskirts of guadalajara by matthew bremner read by lucy scott and produced by tiffany cassidy. This long read contain some descriptions of dead bodies that you may find distressing on the southern outskirts of guadalajara early. In the morning of fifteenth september twenty eighteen a large container the type normally attached to a lorry sank into the soupy ground beside a rutted country road. The refrigerated container could store up to eighteen tons of material cooled to minus forty degrees centigrade across its white exterior. Cartoon polar bear in a blue work shirt smiled and gave a thumbs up a container like this was a common enough site in the neighborhood of luck macos uneager what attracted attention was the smell. Sitting there slumped between cornfields on one side and dilapidated concrete houses on the other it gave off a thick cloying odor. Some said it reeked of rotting cabbage and fish of mentioned putrid meat but they all agreed the container exuded death. The container had been there since seven. Twenty pm the previous evening and by the morning it had drawn a crowd about one. Hundred people assembled at the edge of the puff appeared out of their houses grimacing and covering their noses with their t shirts. The state police had cordoned off the area and officials wearing boxy suits mumbled into mobile phones describing the scene to their superiors in conspiratorial whispers. The most credible theory was that the container was full of dead livestock. That would explain the smell but then why had the local press come to take pictures. It had to be something worse. Toco mojo is one of the most violent neighborhoods in guadalajara. The capital of mexico's highly. Sco state just a month before the container turned up authorities had discovered three mass graves a couple of miles away. Scores of bodies. Many of the mutilated had been brought to the surface. The this was just the latest outrage mexico's brutal drug war which had begun twelve years earlier in halle sco between two thousand and six and twenty eighteen. Thirteen thousand five hundred. Seventy eight people were murdered. The streets of climaco had become a convenient place to dispose of the bodies as the day wore on the temperature rose. The smell from the container became suffocating and the crowd larger a viscous liquid used from the cracks in the back door dribbling onto the grass. The crowd turned angry. Get it out of here. They shouted that container is full of bodies to their horror. They were right concealed behind. The polar bears anodyne smile late. Two hundred seventy three decomposing corpses still what they did. Not suspect was that it wasn't the drug cartels who had brought this grisly cargo to their doorstep it was the state government sitting in his home in central guadalajara. Lewis octavio tarot was troubled. It was early twenty sixteen and he had been the director of highly cisco's institute of forensic sciences for almost a year. He was in charge of the state's nine mortuaries and he had run out of storage space. The documents uncle taros desk laid bare the situation. The forensic institutes central morgue located on the outskirts of guadalajara. Held two hundred and fifty more bodies than it could legally store. Kotaro had practiced law in the region for decades chairing numerous legal associations and building an illustrious reputation. He had taken this new post after being recommended for the position by the then governor of highly sco are as some devil who was a former law student of qatar does still kotaro was under no illusions about the challenge. He faced in his new role. Since the start of the drug war. In two thousand and six the rising number of homicides have stretched mexico's morgues to breaking point today. More than thirty eight thousand unidentified bodies a stored in morgues or buried in municipal graves across the country. Most of them are still being sought by families. Desperate for news about seventy thousand. People are registered as missing. The current system wasn't designed for the level of violence we are experiencing today and selimo upper daca. The former director of mexico's federal forensic science unit told me it was planned for the mexico of twenty years ago at the time could tattoo took up his post in highly sco cartel related. Violence seemed to be out of control in the first four months of two thousand fifteen tarot staff had performed almost one thousand two hundred autopsies nearly as many as in the whole of the previous year. It was complete chaos. Kotaro told at times. I didn't know what to do. The kotaro is returned. Bearish man who moves the lumbering gait stuck in wet cement. His voice is raspy and brings to mind sandpaper and when he spoke. He grimaced as if the words hurt him when i met him early last year. There seems something apologetic. His manner a sadness as if he regretted having to speak a tool in the past someone in qatar position might have incinerated unidentified and unclaimed bodies when a body arrives at a state morgue. It should in theory be stored in co chamber before an autopsy forensic pathologists could then study it for identifying characteristics dental abnormalities tattoos scars or peculiar injuries as well as taking a dna sample but of the one thousand five hundred seventy one. Unidentified corpses incinerated in highschool between two thousand and six twenty fifteen. Dna had been extracted from only one hundred. Forty one of them cremating. The remains deprived thousands of families of the possibility of finding information about their missing loved. One concluded a report by human rights organization. The center of studies for peace and development see pad according to local investigations. Cremations continued until mid twenty fifteen. Despite a nationwide law passed in twenty thirty banned the practice but by early twenty sixteen. Kotaro had stopped incinerating bodies and begun using a small storage room. At guadalajara's central morgue for the overflow the rooms conditions were far from suitable and the corpses soon decomposed. The liquids that they released began to block the institute's plumbing. Kotaro told journalists. Kotaro blend the authorities almost as much as the cartels for the desperate situation. It had been almost ten years since the start of the war on drugs and coroners was still not receiving the support and the funding. They needed to do their job. Qatar does repeated requests to the state for burial sites or additional storage. Had gone unanswered the situation. So disturbed him that he would take pictures of the decaying bodies piled up in the city's morgues and send them to regional government officials demanding they take action in may two thousand sixteen the fiscal e-e-eh dallas cardio or state prosecutor's office proposed a solution. They would free up. Two hundred spacey's gravesite in la ten miles from the center of guadalajara. These spaces were quickly filled. Which is when a second more. Unorthodox solution was proposed. A district attorney suggested to kotaro that the prosecutor's office hire a refrigerated container from a haulage company parked in the loading bay of the central morgue and store the surplus bodies inside it. Kotaro says he wasn't opposed to the idea. After all mobile refrigeration units had been used in cases of morgue overcrowding in guerrero durango time hourly pass and behind california. Removing the bodies from the central morgue would also improve working conditions for his team. Later that month the prosecutor's office contacted the owner of a company called logistic montez which least containers to who fruit. Vegetables and other perishable foodstuffs the owner who did not respond to requests for an interview was asked to provide a container to the forensic institute. The rate would be one thousand mexican pesos around forty pounds a day for an indefinite period. He agreed he later told. Investigators he did not find out. The container would be used to store dead bodies until six months after to the deal in early. May the first bodies were removed from inside the central morgue and placed in the refrigerated container in the loading bay outside. Some of those bodies had been at the morgue for about a year despite the move the question of who was responsible for the bodies who should determine their final resting place and who should conserve them before they got. There was still unclear. Kotaro with his legal background. Near these times would need to be defined the state prosecutor's office agreed and later on the second of january twenty seventeen. The rental of the container was formalized. The contract stated the to government departments the state prosecutor's office and the forensic institute would hire a mobile refrigeration unit to take pressure off the morgues until space for the bodies could be found in municipal cemeteries both parties. Intended it to be a temporary measure the container would remain at the central morgue for a year at most. In that time the state prosecutor would have to find a permanent solution in the first few months of twenty eighteen. Kotaro watched with mounting frustration as the situation in guadalajara deteriorated. The international red cross recommends for health reasons that the average forensic pathologist carries out no more than one hundred and eighty autopsies a year at the central morgan guadalajara. According to the testimony of its director eduardo mata each coronado performed more than three hundred autopsies in two thousand and eighteen conditions were cramped and unsanitary the morgues doctors later noted in interviews with the commission for the assistance of victims that there was constant cross contamination and staff ran the risk of outbreaks of tuberculosis and bloodborne diseases such as hepatitis or hiv. They had no access to specialist antiseptics and bodies often stacked up on the floor covered with plastic sheets this disorganization and chaos effected the families searching for the bodies of their loved ones. When luther oh pichardo went to the morgue to reclaim her sister. Sandy's body in mid twenty eighteen workers instructed her to return in a few weeks. They said they couldn't find the cadaver in the mass of bodies stored inside the lorry container. After weeks of waiting sandy's family eventually identified her by a tattoo on her right arm. The rest of the body was too badly decomposed. To show us in person. Pichardo told me to cordeiro. It was clear what was needed proper investment in new facilities and training for the pathologists. It was just as clear that this would not be forthcoming. No one was interested in reforming the forensic institute. He told me there was no money in it no political prestige in early twenty eighteen. Kotaro challenged the police and prosecutors office failures over a high profile case in which three students studying film at a private school in guadalajara. Were kidnapped and murdered. According to the state's version. The students were killed and dissolved in barrels of acid by members of organized crime gangs but kotaro disagreed and he did so publicly. He couldn't be sure he told the press that the men had been dissolved in acid because his forensic team had found no trace of the students in the barrels. Maybe he seemed to suggest the investigators had made a mistake. Gutierrez remarks invited the kind of public scrutiny that his superiors were anxious to avoid. They had already arrested two men who had supposedly confessed to the crime. He told me this new finding posed questions about the state's handling of the case. This was a dangerous thing to say in mexico. It is often impossible to tell exactly who is behind a murder or kidnapping the state or the cartels and people who speak out risk reprisals from both since two thousand more than one hundred twenty journalists many of them reporting on the links between politics and all the crime have been murdered in mexico on ninth of july twenty eighteen three months after his intervention co. Taros daughter went missing indira. Kotaro thirty eight was last. Seen driving home from a restaurant with a friend both disappeared. The police had no leads at first. Kotaro criticized the police and the prosecutor's offices lack of progress. The authorities have done nothing to find my daughter. He told the local press as the weeks dragged by growing increasingly desperate. He made his own enquiries he got hold of the police files and studied them for clues. They were pure garbage. He told me shortly afterwards. Kotaro rose family started receiving death threats. They said they were coming from my other daughter. They said she would be next. He told me he had no idea where these messages were coming from. But he knew he couldn't risk his other daughter's life. He had to stop searching for indira and resign himself to not knowing forced to share the feelings of the hundreds of helpless people who came to his workplace every day looking for their loved ones when you have experienced that type of loss. Nothing else really matters. He later told me when we spoke. Katara would not speculate on whether his daughter's disappearance was linked to his worsening relations with the state authorities. Katara didn't know who had taken indira. He said and there was no proof to suggest government involvement. He told me he thought he probably never find her. Who discover who took her the guardian the guardian by mid twenty eighteen the central and regional morgues in halle sco handled one thousand four hundred and sixty eight bodies according to the news outlet zona. Docs there was nowhere near enough room to store them. All appropriately the forensic institutes central morgue contained space intended to hold hundred bodies awaiting identification. But at this point four hundred forty. Four corpses withstood there. Some had arrived more than two years earlier. Kotaro found himself between despair and extreme anger. He felt debilitated by the loss of his daughter. But free to say what he felt. Kotaro felted obscene to leave so many families with no information and no body to bury. He harangued his colleagues at the prosecutor's office and his superiors in the state government. He sent more pictures of decomposing. Bodies and threatening messages in a statement later given to police by a civil servant working for the prosecutor's office. Kotaro said if you don't move this fucking container. I'm going to park in front of the attorney. General's office or the governmental palace in guadalajara. The beginning of august twenty eighteen senior members of the state prosecutor's office including the attorney general met to discuss the problem the prosecutor's office was aware that the refrigerated container had been at the central more for more than a year by now they were supposed to have found an appropriate location for the two hundred and seventy three bodies stood inside. Space was scarce in the other municipal cemeteries and instead of finding a permanent solution the state prosecutor's office and the forensic institute decided to rent a second refrigerated container. But if they were to bring in a second container they needed to find a new home for the first one. Space in the grounds of the forensic institute was limited to lorries parked outside the central morgue. Both smelling of putrefaction communist. Told the local papers that the fridges often turned off might attract unwanted attention. The first container had to be moved. But where and who would take responsibility on the thirty first of august twenty eighteen the original container carrying two hundred seventy three bodies left the central morgue destined for large privately owned warehouse three miles away in the neighborhood of ladder nera on the southern side of guadalajara ladder. Nara is a poor neighborhood and investigators from the state's human rights commission would speculate that authorities chose the site because of its marginal position in the city. Police statements from civil servants working in the prosecutor's office alleged that no official paperwork to move the trunk to the warehouse had been completed. The container remained in lateras nehra for two weeks but the conditions were inadequate for storing hundreds of bodies and even though the unit was refrigerated locals began to notice the foul smell. The mayor complained to the state government. The vehicle had to be moved. The prosecutor's office ordered that the container be taken to its evidence warehouse in guadalajara's industrial sector about twenty minutes drive from nadu wrath nara on the fourteenth of september as the truck chugged through the city passes by glimpse the image of a jocular polar bear unaware that behind the thin sheet of metal were hundreds of human bodies in varying states of decomposition. According to statements from police files as the laurie approach the entrance to the evidence warehouse around four pm. The driver and the containers owner who sat alongside his employees realized that the container was to tool to pass through metal support. Beams that held up the door to the warehouse with too low. They would have to be removed. Engineers was summoned and took measurements. But it started to rain and they decided to stop work. The temperature outside was about twenty seven degrees centigrade and the laurie was parked in the street with little shade. A brown gummy liquid like wallpaper paste began to seep from the container. The laura's owner offered to accommodate the container on a twenty five thousand square meter. Lot he owned on the city's outskirts he often stood things there and as he later told police no people living close by the. Laurie would stay there for as long as it took to order the warehouse entrance. He said that when he proposed the idea the prosecutor's office approved it and the truck headed south. The lot was more than eighteen miles away but as the. Laurie neared its destination. It became stuck in mud on a country road as the wheels spun and sludge flew out behind the container. The driver panicked and rang the prosecutor's office for help one of the district attorney's sent for a tractor at about nine pm to toe the laurie onto firm ground. It arrived an hour or so later but even after the container was freed. The driver didn't dare go any further along the muddy roads for fear of getting stuck again. He couldn't retrace his route back to the warehouse compound because the engineers hadn't yet removed the metal beams at the entrance. By this time. Disgruntled people were gathering nearby. They complained to the police about the stench and threatened to alert the press. In fact the press already got wind of what was going on. There had been rumblings for days about strange happenings. The central morgue at eleven pm. Reporters and tv cameras arrived at the stranded lorry to see if they could confirm the rumor about it containing buddies. Their presence stirred up the crowd. People started threatening to burn the trailer if it wasn't gone by morning. A police officer later told investigators. Police waited beside the container all night at ten forty. Am the following day. another tractor arrived. The crowd had returned and shouted as the tractor. Who the container away down the rutted track as it. Lumbered and bounced copper. Colored fluid trickled from its back. Doors forty eight hours later the prosecutor's office determined that the only suitable place for the container was the forensic institutes central morgue. It was julie returned and installed alongside the new container in view of the dozens of relatives. Who came to look for their missing loved ones. Every day even in a nation that is witnessed atrocity after atrocity the scandal of highly cisco's death containers as they became known in the press shocked mexicans. Hundreds of people gathered outside the forensic institute and pleaded for justice. They are not trash. They have a name and they are not cows for the slaughter they shouted the crowds came from collectives and charitable organizations across the country. From that accrues. Get it. i'll go and nihar it. As the protests continued on the twenty first of september. Dr anna pamela romero stood in front of the to looming white refrigeration units. That now sat in the forensic institute. Grounds romero was a forensic anthropologist from unum. mexico's top university. She had arrived as part of the commission for the assistance of victims which have been called in by the state government to investigate the forensic institute in the aftermath of the scandal. She and her team were there to determine how container of unidentified human remains could of ended up near a residential area of a major city when romero and her team opened the doors of the first container they saw a pile of bodies stacked in black plastic bags. The stench made them rich. A small passageway down. The middle of the container gave access to the bodies piled on either side. The midpoint the stacks had collapsed and the bodies were heaped like used teabags. The contain afloat was coated in a thick layer of pewter lidge. There was so much. Our shoe protect us stuck to the floor. Romero told me eduardo. Mata then head coroner of the frenzy institute would later defend his staff's practices in a statement to the highly sco human rights commission. He said that the temperature in both containers was up demand for the preservation of corpses. The bodies had been well organized. The case romero described he said was caused by the containers journey away from the central morgue. Romero believed the containers should have been better prepared for eventual movement. She also noted that they were obscenely overcrowded. A person doesn't lose their right to dignity when they die. Romero told me a coupes has to be treated with the same respect afforded to the living in the aftermath of the scandal. State governor aristotelian sandoval and his team blamed ineptitude of the forensic institute on the eighteenth of september. He relieved louis kotaro of his charge. As the head of the forensic institute two days later he also fire the state attorney. General raul sanchez. He promised that a criminal inquiry would follow. Hundreds of newspaper. Articles were published about the death containers in the following months and much was made of the government's investigation however more than two years on only one civil servant from the prosecutor's office has been taken to court but they were not found guilty of mistreatment of the bodies only of making undeclared payments for the lease and maintenance of the containers in the period since the has been a change in state administration halley schools new government claims to have made significant advances in addressing the crisis in its forensic services last year the forensic institute current director gustavo. Caserta told me that he had things under control and that there had been many improvements. The state government said that it had increased the institute's budget by almost thirty million pesos. About one million pounds employing ninety two new forensic experts and expanding the central morgues cold storage capacity from one hundred units to four hundred seventy nine. The institute claims it no longer has to rely on mobile refrigeration. Units in cases of emergency meanwhile unidentified bodies continue to arrive the morgue. Kotaro is one of the few to have spoken out about the mounting crisis of unidentified bodies at significant risk to himself. I asked him if he regretted any of his actions or if he felt culpable for the events of twenty eighteen he deflected saying that he bore no responsibility for the bodies after his coroner's had examined them. He said he didn't want to become the scapegoat. Kotaro is still under investigation for the inhumane treatment of the cadavers. He denies charges i wondered. Why could tarot had waited to be sacked. What it stopped him from resigning in protest of the situation. He had observed well working for the forensic institute. He replied that he stayed those extra months because he wanted to be at the institute if his daughter's body turned up the it never did or at least that's what the records say. It is a grim possibility that it has been there. All along still unidentified. Owing to the lack of resources and the overwhelming number of victims the containers were cleaned and dismantled in mid november twenty eighteen of the three hundred and twenty two bodies stood in the two refrigerated containers. Forty eight were eventually identified and returned to their families. The remaining two hundred and seventy four were buried in guadalajara's to municipal cemeteries in theory. They could later be zoomed for a family burial. They will probably never be claimed for more in long. Rene's in text selection in audio. Go to the guardian dot com forward slash. Long read. find us on soundcloud at soundcloud ford slash the guardian long. The more great podcasts. From the guardian. Just go to the guardian dot com slash podcasts. Looking for a new podcast listened to. Here's what we love. 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A Mob Boss Starts a Movement

HISTORY This Week

31:51 min | 3 months ago

A Mob Boss Starts a Movement

"The history channel original podcast history this week. June twenty eighth nineteen seventy one f. I'm sally helm. It's hot and humid in new york. City a festive. Summer morning at columbus circle on the southwestern corner of central part vendors are hawking sandwiches angela lotto and cold orange sodas to the gathering crowd forty foot plastic banners in red green and white flutter beneath the statue of christopher columbus. In fact the colors of the italian american flag are everywhere on penance on hats on buttons. That read kissed me. I'm italian the rally will begin at noon. It's the second annual unity day celebration sponsored by the italian american civil rights league. There are concerned with fighting. Discrimination against italian americans and combating stereotypes. They say not. All italian americans are mafiosos for most of us. The godfather isn't real life and the thousands of people at this rally are here to make their voices heard as hard-working law abiding citizens discrimination against italian. Americans is a real problem and has long roots in the united states. but it's nevertheless ironic that the head of the italian american civil rights league. The guy who really is the league is a reputed mob boss himself. Joe colombo colombo. Is there at the rally on this summer morning. Reading his supporters taking photos with politicians people call out to him as he weaves through the crowd. Joe hydro at around eleven forty five. Am colombo approaches the podium to speak and then three shots ring out from the press area near the stage. There's a moment of eerie silence and then chaos colombo has been shot in the head. He's alive but in critical shape. His horn rimmed glasses. Lie a few feet from his body near a growing pool of blood today. The rise and fall of joe colombo. How did this reputed mafioso become a noted. Civil rights activist. and why aren't there anymore mobster celebrities. Today look. staying healthy isn't easy watching your diet hitting the gym avoiding strauss help boost your overall health and wellness and it couldn't be easier. The new sleep number three sixty smart pet is the only that effortlessly adjusts in response to both the result. You wake up ready for anything. Proven quality sleep is life changing sleep. Don't miss our weekend special. The new queen's sleep number three sixty two smart bet his only eight ninety nine bus free premium delivery. We've had a base ends monday to learn more of sleepnumber dot com. He history fans keep up with all the great shows and documentaries on the history channel by signing up for e mail updates had to history dot com slash email to get updates right to your inbox i to know about premieres sweepstakes jabbour shows and so much more keep up with curse of oak island pawn stars american pickers groundbreaking documentaries and more sign up today at history dot com slash email in early nineteen seventies new york city when paul mba was shot the mafia was everywhere. Mafia meaning a network of organized crime groups that carried out all kinds of illegal money making schemes and had a ton of influence whether it was the board of education construction programs the Refuse industry every stone you turned over there was a mafia connection. Selwyn raab a former reporter for the new york times. He covered organized. Crime for more than fifty years. Including joe colombo who comes on the scene at a pivotal moment in the history of the mob. Joe colombo was a forerunner of a new era for the american mafia. Rob told us in the early days. Nineteen twenties and thirties. Most of the families will run by immigrants mainly sicilian some from southern italy. You can credit. Benito mussolini who is a fascist dictator of italy. He launched a first crackdown against the sicilian mafia. And the twenties. That led to an exodus of mobsters who had to get out of italy because there was no real future for them there and they came to the us and they were part of the nucleus of the american mafia of course the vast majority of the people who immigrated to the us from sicily and southern italy weren't mobsters fleeing illegal. Crackdown they were. Just regular people looking for a better life in fact. This era is the origin of some of the italian american stereotypes that the italian american civil rights league later. Fight against including the stereotype. That italians are all mafiosos and criminals. Many italian immigrants faced discrimination in the us. They had to live in cramped tenements and they couldn't get hired for high paying jobs to make ends meet some again. A small number got caught up in the world's of racketeering and organized crime including joe colombo's father. His father got involved in the rackets. He was the nickname. Two gun tony the two pistols that he carried in his best all the time. That's don capri. He co wrote a book about joe colombo with colombo's son anthony and he told us when joe was about fourteen. His father was killed allegedly as retribution for his involvement in a decade old murder. So at fourteen years old on the streets of brooklyn. Joe's dad is gone and the mother is petrified. She sends the kids to go live with her mother in benson hurst and joe changed high schools and that was kind of the start of of his life. I would say going towards the dark side. Colombo ends up living around the corner from a friend of his dad's carlo gambino who is one of the most ruthless mobsters in history but to colombo. He's a mentor. Father figure gambino get odd jobs. You know he works for a butcher. He worked as a shop steward. Then he worked for a pocketbook company. Then world war breaks out and colombo joins the coastguard. This era sees a renewed surge of discrimination against talion americans as the. Us is fighting against the axis powers which included italy. So italian americans were all caught up in this whole wave of racism. The fbi was literally banging down people's doors own people out of their homes and giving people curfew and seizing their money freezing assets. Some hundreds of italian americans were even sent to internment camps during this period so young italian american soldiers like joe colombo. They're seeing their family members. Their grandfather's their parents go through this discrimination here during world war two so there was a a disdain for the f. b. i think for a lot of italian americans from world war two. The fbi will soon become quite a large part of joe. Colombo's life after the war he moved upstate new york. He married his wife that he was with until he passed away. Joe joe joe. Joe joe joe joe joe. Yeah and at some point. Selwyn rob told us. Joe colombo gets caught up in the same organized crime world that got his dad killed the nineteen fifties and sixties are the beginning of a generational shift for the mob. It's still run in a highly organized way by the same five families. Many of whom have their roots and sicily but a lot of the new mob guys had grown up in the united states. Unlike the old fashioned guys were known as mustache. Beat the newcomers. Like joe colombo spoke good english. They were born in america. They understood the culture better and the changing culture and colombo's Opportunity came from the death of one of the founders of the american mafia joe for cheap who died in one thousand nine hundred sixty two job. Orthodoxy was the head of the Crime family the five. Big mafia families work together in something called the commission which helped oversee their activities and mediate any conflicts. That came up after prophecies death. A guy named joe magli oko takes over the and about a year later he begins conspiring with another mob boss. Another joe joe bonanno who is also one of the old fashioned mustache. Pete's who had around in nineteen thirty-one bananas worried that perform cheese death is gonna end up decreasing bonano's power on the commission and so he decides to team up with the new guy magli loco to take down some of their biggest enemies where he wanted to do is he wanted to bump off kill hits what. He considered essential rivals old-fashioned rivals like carlo gambino. Who is running the gambino family and maglione go says. I know who we should hire to do it. Joe colombo by this point. Rob told us colombo has started to make a name for himself as a hitman like dad. He's allegedly been working with the profundity family and magli oko thinks he's the perfect guy for the job. Little did he know his mentor. Is called beano. Don capra again. So what joe did was. Instead of carrying out the hit he delivered. The order said to call campaign. Beano this is this is for you. They're going to try to take you out. He went to colo and he told what was up and carlo gambino and the other remaining voices crackdown on bonano to make sure they control commission and therefore almost control the entire american mafia as a reward to joe colombo. Who was nobody practically at a time. They renamed the family to colombo crime family and they may. Joe the patriarch family. So he came out of the forest virtually and suddenly at the age of forty two was reading one of the top. Five mafia families in the country colombo himself would have denied up and down that he was the head of one of the top five mafia families in the country. Don caprio told us as far as kids knew he worked in real estate. When i worked the book with anthony one of the first things that he told me he says. Look i really don't have the stories of what my father did every day. He didn't come home from work. And put a gun on the table. And say you know today as a mob boss. I did such and such. He actually denied everything. But meanwhile the nineteen sixty s are the mafia's golden age. That's when cell. Rob was covering them as a journalist in new york city and seeing their fingerprints everywhere rob told us in some ways the mob shadow city government and they were making lots of money. They had influence in a bunch of unions and that was lucrative. They also had a hand in gambling. Loansharking if you want to sometimes alone you couldn't get the you of your small business or a business that was in trouble and couldn't get a bank loan you'd go to a loan shark so they were providing a service and Most times except for the occasional killings they were part of the fabric of the new york civilization and as long as they didn't really threaten anybody. Prophet it's the mob. Did want to threaten somebody the guy to do it would be low level so if they got busted it was nothing a mafia boss. Didn't have to pull the trigger. Didn't have to extort personally from anybody else so he didn't commit anything. All he did was get the wealth. We also talked about colombo with geoff schumacher. Who runs the exhibits and programs at the mob museum in las vegas. He told us colombo really cared about the mafia's image and he was a shrewd effective leader. A combo is a really a very smart boss and that's not always true year. Sometimes a person becomes the boss. Because they're the toughest or a you know because of just the logical ascension though the next in line in the case of colombo his success was largely created because there was a facade of respectability for a lot of his people because they worked in other. Legitimate jobs colombo did too. He was a salesman for a real estate company. A partner in a funeral home and a florist shop were legitimate and said that he was doing and they also kept a very low profile which is always important and so they got away with a lot at least intel colombo his mind later he s becoming the head of a major italian american civil rights organization is not consistent with keeping a low profile but as the nineteen sixties. Progress and joe colombo because a more and more important mafia figure a spirit of activism is sweeping the country vast protests occurring over civil rights. Vietnam war women's rights You know it was. It was probably only logical that italian americans who had been discriminated against for for decades would join us movement. It was just particularly a hot that the person who led it was someone who is involved with the mafia colombo had witnessed discrimination in his community and he'd seen law enforcement overreached during the world. War two era now. Of course the fbi is his major adversary. For other reasons. The agency had recently begun to take the mob much more seriously who decided to go all out and dedicate hundreds and hundreds of agents to focused on their so colombo is seeing this sunny seeing that the fbi is targeting italian americans and so his ethnic awareness really becomes evident and while some mafia bosses may have said. What's to slay lo. Let's not raise above the ground so that they'll see what we're doing but as a prison colombo decided to fight back in public. This is part of the reason that sell rob calls colombo the beginning of a new era for the mob. He turns that traditional script of secrecy upside down. Things come to a head in nineteen seventy one when colombo's sign joe. Junior is arrested. The government accuses him of being part of a scheme to meltdown. Us coins into silver. But joe colombo thinks it's all part of a plan to put pressure on him. Here's don cap. The attack joe felt was personal and he also felt it. It didn't belong within the government to penalize these people that don't have any organized crime so at that moment he started the italian american civil rights league. I think this becomes the mid point in his life. You know that point in the film where. There's no turning back less than two months after. Joe colombo's son is arrested. The new italian american civil rights league holds a major public event. The first annual unity day rally at columbus circle. June twenty ninth. Nineteen seventy colombo is the league leader and he has a lot of pull people in new york. New joe colombo was right and so the idea that you would That you would fight him or that you would oppose him or that. You would know him. If you're a politician or a shopkeeper or you know the governor of new york at you needed to keep joe colombo on the right side. When the day of the rally arrives the city is ready. In fact the around columbus circle is partially. Shut down. Not everybody came willingly Goons visited many of the merchants to insist that they shut down for the day but a lot of people do show up willingly. As many as two hundred thousand people come out to columbus circle. Don caprio told us. Joe tapped into the bane. That was explosive. You know it was just it was just moment was waiting to happen god. I was born over bird today. This day belongs to you. The people you are recognized you are wa no body to take you after the rally. The crowd marches down to protest. In front of the fbi's office led personally by joe colombo a man the fbi was pretty familiar with because they were currently tapping his phones all that summer believes profile continues to rise. The word on the street was if you had a problem. And you an italian american you go to a league meeting at the park hotel on wednesday night and you get to stand and you get to say your problems to them and they will help you so a young lawyer in one thousand nine hundred seventy goes and he tells about the city planning commission. Who wants to bulldoze homes to a athletic field athletic building. These homes were in corona queens. A neighborhood where many italian americans lived and the italian american civil rights league starts protesting the demolition people gather in massive numbers at city hall and they're ultimately successful. That young lawyer who showed up at the meeting became a here up his name. Was mario cuomo. He turned out to be the future. Governor of new york colombo and the league also start a somewhat campaign to get important people to stop using the word. Mafia the also want to stamp out the use of the phrase la cosa nostra translated to our thing which was a sicilian term for mafia. They said this language was helping to perpetuate the stereotype. That italian americans were criminals and made it seem like all organized crime in the. Us was organized by italians and later that year. Nineteen seventy nixon's attorney general. John mitchell did ban those words from justice department communications. There is nothing to be gained. By using these terms mitchell said except to give gratuitous offense too many good americans of italian american descent. Here's geoff schumacher. Mitchell saw that politically. It would be wise to make a gesture win over italian americans. Everything in the nixon administration was politically oriented. Nixon believed that the mob has john f. kennedy win election back in nineteen sixty. So i'm sure nixon wanting to be reelected certainly want the italian americans on the other side. This is a pretty big victory in the war on words but perhaps even more important battle would soon be fought in hollywood in nineteen. Seventy production began on. What would become one of the most famous films of all time the godfather it was based on a book of the same name that had become a massive bestseller colombo was very invested in the film. And how it would portray the mafia his role on the godfather. Like how you get involved with that movie and why he wrote the script as guys. Now just kidding. He wanted to meet with the film producers and they didn't want him but colombo knew how to apply pressure. He used his clout with the unions to help. Get the producers attention and also. The movie's director francis ford. Coppola wanted to film on location in new york in little italy so one day when they went down to little italy to look at locations they brought this brand new cinema mobile truck. Had it all these brand new lenses and whatnot in coppola and his team go have lunch at umberto's clam house a famous spot in the neighborhood and after they've finished they walk back up to hester street on the truck is not what happened to the truck. It was stolen by i. I really don't but whoever stole the truck. I think that was like the final straw. Like hey you're gonna you're gonna talk to us. One of the film's producers. Ends up meeting with colombo and members of the league to hear their concerns. Then he meets with colombo again and agrees to remove the one appearance of the word mafia from the script and colombo's even able to get some of his hits cast as extras. The italian american. Civil rights leader brings its war on words to the press. To one time they even blockade the new york times building in protest and won't let the delivery trucks. Leave selwyn. raab remembers what this era was like. Every newspaper in new york had a mafia element. Who them the printers or an delivers especially in delivers. So they had that weapon that sometimes stories were rewritten. No question about it. I had difficulties when i worked at a new york times. They would want to also lines because they deliver is somebody else. Complained colombo was personally able to use the media to his advantage in other ways to do you like the attention i mean. He was the first mafia boss. Probably since al capone in more innocent days but cultivated. The media colombo sat down for interviews. Went on talk. Shows curious speaking to reporters just having the pros. You are were palumbo. Time american. i'll consult on of having americans. Here's an excerpt from an interview with. Cbs news i have always maintained and said there is no mafia risen wasn't austria and i said that this was only a harassment of the justice department of the administration and the law enforcement agencies but no other reason than fake people children and to brainwash and use the italian people as the scapegoat. Each and every crime. That's committed his country putting his face out there like this was a huge change from the previous secretive eras of organized crime and it came at a cost. He became to Conspicuous the fbi starts ramping up. Its efforts against colombo. They're able to charge him with a number of small crimes. But none of the charges stick and colombo's rivals also don't like to see how public facing he's become. They think this could be bad for all of them. So as colombo is planning the second annual unity day rally. He's feeling the pressure from all sides. Finally don capri says colombo tells his family. Look i'm going to do the event. I'm gonna show up and i'm going to support and i'm going to step down and i'm going to disappear from this rwu to make a lot of you happy. On june twenty eighth nineteen seventy-one a crowd once again gathers at columbus circle. The weather's perfect colombo's they're checking on things before the program begins. Joe had just finished talking to someone. Put a little fire out about someone that was selling some kind of ice cream without having the permit danny walks over to the press area to greet some reporters. A man named drome. Johnson is there with press credentials and at about eleven. Forty five as colombo is moving towards the stage. Jerome johnson shoots him in the back of the head when his head is turned three times colombo falls to the ground. Some officers tackled the shooter. But then there's another shot. Somehow someone manages to shoot colombo's assassin and then that second shooter slips out of the crowd. Both men are rushed to the hospital. The shooter johnson dies and colombo goes into surgery. The rally at columbus circle does proceed but listlessly the crowd gets periodic. Updates uncle joe's condition and after six hours of surgery colombo does survive. He lasted icing seven years. But he was paralysed. He was a living corpse. The italian american civil rights league never recovered either. It couldn't last without joe homeboy. He was the guy to keep it. Alive and running was his connections. It was his forceful. Never take no for an answer attitude towards it. So everything changed. After those three bullets there are many different theories out there. About who shot. Joe colombo and why a lot of people including selwyn raab say. It's most likely this grew out of colombo's life in organized crime rival mobster. Joey gallo had gotten out of prison and had a long standing. Feud with colombo about seven months after colombo was shot. Gallo went out to a restaurant. It was on his birthday party at a restaurant in the literally early in the morning to a three. Am we've having dinner with friends and his bodyguard and they spotted him there and they bumped off. They took care of joey gal. A lot of people both within law enforcement the mafia itself believed that the they here is colombo loyalists taking revenge but there are other theories out there. Don caprio thinks the fbi themselves might have had something to do with colombo's death. The fbi declined to comment for this story. But no matter. Who shot joe colombo. We can say that the era he represented for the mafia is now over organized. Crime has gone back. Underground you won't find any mob boss. Anybody knows them. There so inconspicuous. Even law enforcement or unsure. Who's running each family. They've withdrawn the new. Mafia has also recruited because they consider more loyal and steadfast and will never at a lot of sicilians so some of the families today are actually run by sicilian immigrant. Just as they were in the pre colombo era just schumacher told us that movies. Like the godfather which colombo tried so hard to influence ended up having an impact. Not just on how the public saw the mob but also on how the mob saw themselves. He said if you listen to fbi. Wiretaps from the nineteen seventies. Weird thing was younger. Mafia guys where they weren't natural anymore. They were acting as if they were in the movie. The movie was more real than the actual life. Joe colombo may not have predicted this. He knew the influence movies and pop. Culture could have on the public image of italian americans and he tried to make that image as favourable as he possibly could but the mob movies and tv shows didn't stop. The sopranos is one of the most popular series of all time and it's show about the mafia in the sopranos. fourth season. joe colombo himself actually comes up in conversation. When tony soprano's associate explains why he supports colombo's 'cause italian-american. I pay money the italian anti defamation coordination council ambassador. We're the victims here or you write a check to. let's not forget. It was a friend of us. Joe colombo founded the first italian american. Anti defamation organization colombo might have been glad that this show was focusing on his civil rights work but they also call him a friend of ours meaning a fellow member of the mafia even though colombo one to his grave claiming to be just a regular guy who wanted to take care of his own. Thanks for listening to history this week from all moments throughout history that are also worth watching. Check your local tv listings to find out. What's on the history channel today. This episode was produced by ben dixie. 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The Perennial Swing State: FL-10 & FL-26

Women belong in the House

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The Perennial Swing State: FL-10 & FL-26

"Welcome. Back to women belong in the House I'm your host Jenny Kaplan. Today. We're talking about a state frequently in election headlines, its size and political makeup make it impossible for either major political party to ignore. Welcome to Florida. Both candidates campaigned hard in the swing state of Florida. Why is it so important with twenty nine electoral votes Florida used the biggest prize of the battleground states. Seven statewide elections including racist for President Governor in the Senate have been decided by a margin of one point, two percentage points or less. Here's Torie Taylor Tories the CO executive director of swing left a national grassroots organization that raises money for Democratic candidates and organizes volunteers across the country for those candidates. Tories, also a longtime friend of wonder media network. Florida is Kinda perennial swing state. I've worked in Florida a couple election cycles including the two thousand sixteen election which was a pretty brutal election cycle to be a Democrat in Florida, you know Florida, is a tough state politically a number of reasons one it's huge Florida's like six states put into one state. I don't think anybody really understands how big Florida is until you look at the diversity in that state in terms of different communities in the different issues that matter to those voters, for example, south. Florida is a traditional bed kind of democratic voters. Kind of blew hot spot with very large communities. Of Color, we get to central Florida which is a much older population, a lot of retirees, and we also get to North Florida which actually looks a lot more like Alabama or some of these buried deep southern traditionally red states outside of a couple college towns like Tallahassee in Jacksonville. So why does it feel like it's always so darn close and Florida what you typically see on election night in Florida is you see a lot of democratic votes coming in from the south than you see kind of the read all of northern Florida start to chip away at the gains the Democrats made in south Florida and so it's just Kind of a balancing act every single election cycle how much can you rack up the score in south Florida and how much can you hold the wall in North Florida, Republican votes and sometimes that Wallace held for Democrat sometimes it's not but I think what you've seen the past few election cycles is Democrats have had a chat like a challenging time racking up as much as many votes as they need in the southern part of Florida, an holding that wall in northern Florida, and so that is kind of the balancing act that every campaign that's running statewide and four is going to have again because the state is so big. What that also means is the state is very expensive. In a state that doesn't have quite as much partisan kind of demographic diversity that assailing Florida's in twenty sixteen that battle was won by the Republicans Donald Trump won the state by around one percent of the vote like in many other parts of the country the response to those results was arise progressive activism but in Florida Blue Wave, didn't necessarily come to fruition the way it did and other states what you've seen since two thousand sixteen is in twenty eighteen after trump's election there was really kind of grassroots way of progress activism that we really saw carry us in the two thousand seventeen. Unsolved. Lot of democratic wins at the local level and kind of build towards this blue wave in two thousand eighteen. We're Democrats took back to house. But what you saw in Florida was that blue wave kind of stopped a little bit in the state of Florida has we lost gubernatorial race with Andrew Gillum and we also office Senate race very nearly with Nelson, and so there's been a lot of speculation that. Florida may have a little bit of a redder ten since then but on the same hand, we also saw picking several houses in Florida especially South Florida, and so I think as we go into twenty twenty, there's really going to be a question of how much investments that we're GONNA see from the presidential races. In this state, you know how much work is going to be happening at the local level in terms of like really pushing up some of these legislative candidates, the Florida. Legislature is in play we're swing laughed is. Heavily targeting the Florida legislature there is a number of there's a number of competitive congressional races raises still in Florida this year and so I think we're still waiting to see the same amount of investment if not investment because of a little bit of the Red Ten but I think some folks have attached to the state since then but you know the fact of the matter is Florida's so big and they have such a large portion of the electoral college that there's not. It's not realistic that that state is ever going to be written off for either candidate. Florida has twenty nine electoral college votes. There's too much at stake for presidential candidates not to pay attention. Because the state of Florida is so big potentially important. Today, we're highlighting two women who are running for the house from different parts of the state. Representatives Debbie Mucosal, Powell and VAL demings. Presentative Debbie Mukherjee Powell one in two thousand eighteen as part of the blue. Wave. I represent Florida's to. Six people call it the southernmost district in the country I think it's one of the most beautiful districts in the country because it includes the Florida keys and parts of Miami Dade County I represent an area that has been ignored for quite some time you know it's it's an area that has is comprised of seventy percent Hispanic residents twelve to thirteen percent African Americans hardworking families live in my district. The average income is about forty, four, thousand dollars a year, and it's a district that people really. Have, not been reached out to a represented in Congress and I've dedicated my entire career working in this district I did work at Coral Restoration Foundation in the Florida keys in in a nonprofit there and I also started working actually zoo Miami working on education programs and bringing awareness to endangered species here in Florida. But most of my career was at Fau, which is also located in my district assorted working there in two thousand and three until we got the medical school approved and then it became this. Representative Val demings is running for her third term from Florida's tenth district. Well I'm VAL demings. I'm a member of the US House of Representatives. I. Represent Congressional District Chan in Florida all of my constituents are in. Orange County Orlando and so I have all of the theme parks I have the majority of the hospitality. Industry and I have a very diverse district. Both Debbie and Val described their life stories as embodiments of the American dream. Here's Debbie. One of the things that a lot of people don't realize. I'm the youngest of four sisters I always looked up to my sisters. My mom my mom decided to bring my sister's into the United States to really provide us with change. My mom actually living in Ecuador after she separated from my dad realized you know she wanted to work she wanted to be independent she wanted to provide for her family and she knew that wasn't really possible in a country like Ecuador at the. Time. So she came to the United States. She came actually I to California and I was fourteen at the time and it was really hard to leave your friends family or country. My mom didn't speak English at the time. We didn't have much of anything when we got here we all lived in a really really small apartment and she started doing all sorts of jobs just to make ends meet I started working at fifteen at this donut shop, and that's why I never read. Jones anymore because eight. So many doughnuts during high school. But because of all the work that I did in school and the hard work of my mother was able to get a scholarship to go to college and I truly believe that those opportunities are what really provided me with this incredible chance to represent this district. I am now the first South American born member to ever presented district in the United States and it only happens you're right in in the United States it's American. Dream, but my story is not just mine. I mean I, share this with thousands and thousands of people that live here in south Florida. Half of the people that live in my district were born in a different country and they all come looking for those opportunities. One of the things that I don't know if your listeners know. But one thing that really changed me is when I was twenty four years old and I lost my dad's gun violence, I was just finishing my master's degree. was still in California at the time and I heard the news that really changed my life and my family's life forever and I decided at the time I wanted to work to lift up communities and I thought I would I would spend my career working to help third world countries actually become economically independence and build sustainability programs, but I moved to Miami. Right after that 'cause my sister had moved to Miami for work and I wanted to help this community NFL in love with the twenty six strict fell in love I fell in love with the keys very early on when I first moved down here and we started going there and spending every chance we got down there. Debbie's love for the area inspired her to get involved but she feared the kinds of opportunities that had led to her success were diminishing. But I saw that these opportunities that had brought me to where I was really were being taken away for too many families down here it was it was getting harder for kids. To school the funding for public schools were continued to be cut every single year by the state legislature by federal government and I was working then at the time if I you, I was very involved in volunteering in campaigns. So I worked in the John Kerry campaign worked in the campaign, and then a group of women said, you know we we think you should run and I thought they were crazy. Crazy I was married at kids at my career. Why would I all of a sudden change? My entire career hadn't thought about that. But then I realize that it was the way for me to actually make a larger impact in this area that I had always loved that I saw so many families struggling. and. So I did it and it was women who helped me get here I mean Emily's list was the first one doors and I had an army of women really helping me down here I live in an area where it's definitely sexist. You know you can say a definitely because let the culture still abides by traditional rules, right? I had actually people asked me was gonNA. Take care of your kids. You know my kids also have a father's. Tell them. Well, my husband when I'm traveling of course, but it it was just not clicking for a lot of people down here. So it was it was tough but because of so many people that believed that I could do it in. So many people that also understood that I was doing it for the right reasons really helped me get there unseated an incumbent that everyone thought was not an available to be beat and very proud of that victory. Val demings also described her path as one of those only in America kinds of ARCS. I think it's a pretty amazing story because it is a true American story and I am so honored to be a part of it I grew up in Jacksonville. Florida. That lived in Florida all of my life, my mother was a maid and my father, a janitor and the youngest of seven children I grew up in a two bedroom wood frame house. We grew up very very or but fortunately. I had parents who always taught me to not allow my present circumstances to determine my future potential and so they seven people tell you you're not the right color. You're certainly not the right gender you can't do it. You don't have enough money. You don't have aimless last name to basically ignore that and let my success by my hard work and and so I had an opportunity to. Go to college added Florida State University I, graduated college those for years where I think just miracle years because we didn't really have the money for me to be there but we found a way to make it work and you know hit the ground running my first job was social work, and then to the police department I was recruited to run for Congress I thought that was A. Crazy idea ultimately made the decision to run, and here we are, and so now I see part of my job in addition to pass legislation that will help to improve the quality of life for persons. To be a role model and to help other people, women and others who may have grown up like me or have been told that notes. For them to find a way to make it happen. When vow was I asked to run. She wasn't so sure it was a good idea. Then she learned that most women tend to think that way. I remember when I was a recruited by the D. Trip to run for Congress than I was had just announced my retirement from the police department and I thought there's no way I will do that I'm a little rough around the edges. I. Mean What I say and say what I mean I don't they got make a good politician but I have to admit that I was also dealing with a little bit of it's something new will I be accepted? Will people support me and when I visited? Washington DC and had a conversation with leadership I. Remember a someone, a leadership saying to me that women generally have to be asked seven times before we will do something out of the box before we will do something we've never done before, and then as we're coming played in it, they'll go around and ask permission and we'll do it this way you don't think I should run for office. Do you you don't think anybody will support me to you I don't know if people will give me their money maybe I shouldn't do it and they said, but man does kind of look in the mirror invade my goodness of make a great senator or A. Congressman and so but you know I so appreciate women in leadership because women in leadership or like good quarterbacks we have the ability to see the entire feel. We know where everybody is and what they're doing. We don't mind working as a team. We don't mind sharing information and asking for feedback and I just think women may great leaders and I am side about I was excited about twenty eighteen in very excited of the number of women who are running excited about a one hundred and one with women number of women that we have in the House of Representatives but four hundred and thirty five total members and I just delighted when I see more women run the issues that Floridians care about most sound like the issues that we've heard a lot about across the country health care the economy and social justice. Here's Torie. Taylor again but I think in Florida you we're seeing the same type of issues that are really tracking nationally in some other states including you know the government's response to Cova Nana late you know the failure of the national response with trump administration but also some of the failures that have happened on the state level skyrocketing unemployment and health insurance issues I think in Florida they are about three million Floridians already on insured in Florida before the pandemic and because health insurance is so tied to employ those numbers have skyrocketed with skyrocketing unemployment since the the pandemic and so I think we're seeing issues of economic distress of worries around health insurance and you know there are a number. Of like I said the diversity with a number of the communities in Florida like the central Florida area with some such an older population social security medicare you know some of those issues are very predominant in the state of Florida because they have such an older population and we also have a lot of young people in Florida Lot of music color. The racial unrest that we've seen in the country criminal justice reform is definitely a big issue in Florida. Especially given on the amendment for him pain in twenty eighteen, which was a campaign to restore the rights of felons to vote in Florida, which has seen a lot of like judicial kind of legal battles over the last. Two years and has been in the news a lot. So there's really a litany of issues that people in Florida really focused on. We're seeing a lot of campaigns and candidates speak to those issues. But again, you know Florida is such a large state. It's really hard to have a one-size-fits-all strategy for Florida you really see a lot of these candidates take very specific segments messages to particular parts of that state in particular media markets to really drive the right message home to the right group of people on because they're also different the messages that you see someone talking about in the Panhandle GonNa be the same messages that you see them talking about in a place like Miami. Florida generally, and Debbie and vowels districts specifically were hit hard by the double pandemic. We've talked about all season. Covert has rocked the state. Both from a health perspective and economically here's Val demings. Tourism is really the engine that drives economy here in my district and so people are. Either unemployed or afraid they're going to lose. Their jobs, they're worried about being evicted. We already have a affordable housing crisis in central Florida and of course, covert nineteen and his consequences has just exacerbated. That issue and so they're worried about being evicted those who have applied for unemployment as I'm sure you know we had some major issues really with. The state's unemployment system, and so just trying to make sure that people. Have a bridge if you will from this crisis to being able to survive to able to get the Barras under control so we can get back to to normal. So those are the issues we hear from them every day, and that's what keeps us up all night as it should. Debbie. said that her constituents are facing similar challenges. Florida is complicated safe because there's so much diversity in our state that northern part of Florida's completely different from the central part. The central part is very different from the southern part of pretty large state and we a lot of different groups of people living in this area. So My district, for example. I have to speak has been a swollen Americans cuban-americans, Ecuadorian Americans, Mexican Americans and. They have their different priorities, but then ultimately, they all also have the same priorities at all Americans and right now it's to contain Cova to get back to our to get your school your kids back to school as a mom ready to send my kids back to school. How do we get there? How do we do it in the safest way possible but also recognizing that they have families in the countries that they left behind and form policies vary very important. Representatives had to be all hands on deck to try to help deal with the challenges we face Debbie said that's made this election feel quite different than the race two years ago. I mean, it's night and day at first of all I'm office and I knew that at the beginning of the pandemic, we had to take immediate action as we saw this virus starting to come into our communities. So I work because I had my career FA medical glad berry relationships with public health experts and we started working closely to get legislation passed. That would provide relief funding that our public health infrastructure needed our schools families that needed that stimulus payment, the and employment benefits that we passed in actual that's what we do. I. Was completely focused on doing that at the same time knowing that. The Miami Dade County mayor had just filed to run against. So I knew I was going to have a race, but I was completely focused at the time for the first few months. Really of the pandemic do everything I can to write the resources the support information in my district I had multiple multiple soon meetings with our pastors, their local elected officials with school board members, I mean everything I could do just to bring resources down protect our families from getting cooler didn't remember I have a minority district. So we got impacted much at a much higher rate than many other. Areas in the country Miami Dade County. Actually failure is county mayor became an international hotspot international hotspot because we had more cases than many other countries combined in this county. So dealing with that but then at the same time dealing with the challenge like millions of Americans that had to stay home working from Hong helping your kids get their education online as a mom you know having to make help them get through that taking care of my mom making sure that I didn't exposure because I still had to fly back and forth to Washington and my mom lives with me And not seeing my people I mean. I. Am sure this is the case for many of the representatives in Congress we need to see our voters we need to feel them hear from them to know how they're doing and it was really it has been very tough I wanNA, hug ONA, go out there. Knock on doors and hug my my constituents and give them the support that they need or just greeted them and it's not. That's not happening. Right? We need to be very, very careful. So you don't have a real sense of what's happening on the ground. That's really hard. You also. Can't directly? No from all those knocks doors at I knocked on into eighteen what they're thinking, what they're feeling what they need. So it makes it harder also as a representative to do the work that you need to do. So that's why I've had so many town halls and all of that. So very hard, very, very different and you have to be creative moisture reach saw representatives are also facing the same challenges personally as everyone else. I asked Debbie how she's been dealing with the many roles required if people and especially of women since March. I can we all agree enough you have kids Jenny, but our kids are becoming hermits like behind the computer like I have to like take them out. My daughter is an online classes all day in her job, her job option than like just through school shirt Oh my God I have those fights every single day with my kids. That's one of my bar of my day is just making sure that my kids actually brush their hair brush their teeth and get out of their jobs at some point during the day. but the the first year that took office I wanted to concentrate on working for the district. What can I do in my committee's? What can I bring down that? What resources can I bring down to make it easier for people to rent apartments because it's so expensive to live down here? What do I need to expand access to quality healthcare? So I was very focused on that and I. Wasn't paying attention to launch to campaigning although we knew that we have to start raising money just to you know the speaker says there's nothing no message stronger than a very big bank account, and so we a lot of us started doing that early on and I'm grateful that I did that because I do have a lot of resources. Now I need more but I have a lot of resources But this year, this year has been really tough because we're dealing with a campaign dealing with a lot of official were to make sure that I do whatever can because we have abandoned make were going through a pandemic I have to also help my mother with her healthcare during abandoned I mean she's had to go to the clinic and I can't tell you the anxiety of taking her during code here in Miami Dade County will we've had such high positivity rate and then my kids you know and at some point You you worry because your kids need to socialize your kids need to be physically active. My son had been playing soccer his entire life and from one day to the next. Soccer, and for months, he wasn't playing soccer. My daughter was June horseback riding the same thing and that was her passion and so making sure that your family is mentally healthy right that they that they're doing. Okay and me having to fly back and forth to. How do I find balance I to be honest Jenny I don't have balance right now I'm hoping that after November I'll find some time to bring it back to some sort of saying schedule On top of the already tenuous balance candidates in Florida are having to strike the state is under more pressure than ever. More money and detention are being funneled into the state as the candidates on the top of the ballot vie for votes and local and state elected officials argue over voter registration and suppression more on that after the break. I want to tell you about an awesome platform called bonfire that we've been using it. 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I certainly think this year twenty twenty for the majority they have been paying attention because as we dealt with look, we started the year off with impeachment trial. We then rolled into covert nineteen. We've seen a civil unrest in all fifty states I think. More. People are paying attention than ever and it's incumbent upon those were on the ballot to make sure that we're getting our message out to those voters national focus on Florida boosts visibility and spending that can be helpful or very hurtful for a local campaign. In previous episodes, we've talked about those benefits and challenges in Florida the stakes and price tags are high. Here's representative Debbie Mukherjee. So Powell again. Miami media market is one of the most expensive markets in the country, and this is why I have such a challenging race, the county mayor the my opponent has been in office nine years and he's been on local news and local TV for many years. People know who he is. I just got elected in nineteen, I was working in this community but not in the. Public Eye, I was always doing it behind the scene. So building lining might D is like you said, it's it. It requires a lot of investments to reach out to those hardworking families at right now may be either lost their job or lost a loved one for me to be in front of them. It's GonNa. Take a lot of resources in a lot of work. With the presidential combined I can't even tell you how expensive it is because everyone's buying ads at this point and when I buy a ads for the Miami Marketer, my answer going all the way up to northern Miami which is not part of the district, but it's part of the media that you have to buy. So yeah, my race in two thousand eighteen was the one of the top three most expensive races and it'll probably be the same in two thousand eighteen cost twenty, five, million dollars with from both sides investing Albertson bus in the race. Two major questions facing both parties are who can register more voters and who can get out the vote Debbie fears the National Democrats may have gotten in the game too late. Unfortunately what I've seen happens is that people leave this for the last minute. They realized two months before the election that they actually could win Florida. And so everyone scrambling trying trying to reach out to voters but many times it's late because the Republicans have had a stronghold here in the state for twenty years, they know how to reach out to their constituents and to independence we have a lot of independence in the state of Florida. So that's why it goes back and forth and at the end. Florida's of a very independent streak. Don't talk to me about party talk to me about who you are and what you're GonNa do for me and many of them. That's how they vote and that's why it flips. My district is one that flips back and forth And it does affect my district obviously engaging border turn out in continue to speak to them on the issues that matter most and the reality Jaas that the trump administration has been charged these voters for the past two years in spending a lot of money in the state of Florida. The battle for registering and attracting more voters is one important component of winning Florida. But while some campaigns are working to ensure more, people are able to exercise their right to vote. Others may be doing the opposite voter suppression a major concern in Florida and the issue has been exacerbated by Covid nineteen and the Republican led state government. Last week, the state extended its voter registration deadline due to technical issues. Its website was unable to handle such high levels of traffic. Here's Torie Taylor. Again, someone I I was talking to the other day was talking about the state of Texas. About how taxes in red states voter suppression state, and I think the exact same thing is true in Florida and a lot of these red traditionally southern stave I think what we see in states have. Any of the Unified Republican control like a state like Florida has where they have a Republican governor, they have a Republican legislature. See some of the most sweeping in voter suppression bill passing through the State legislative. Rains and being put into law in addition to kind of the traditional access to ballot issues that we see in typical voter suppression laws in terms that restrictions on early voting in restrictions on voter registration, and I'm making it more difficult for some of the logistics in systems of voting. We also see a state like Florida where in two thousand eighteen bear was an amendment campaign to restore the voting rights for felons and the pass the people voted. Very determinedly to restore those rights and what we saw in the year that followed was the Republican governor Republican legislature really put up as many road blocks as possible for that. That campaign and the law to be executed based on the People's will, and so you know we see Republicans putting up roadblocks. Not only in just. kind of the traditional like Very. Publicized ways of suppressing voters in terms of restricting. Voter registration and early voting and access to the ballot. But also you know some of these advocacy efforts to actually expand the ballot box to felons and you know historically disenfranchised community is. One of the things that the Republican legislature. And governor put up was actually that you know these felons could not vote until they paid restitution they paid all their court fines paid all their fines from prison which was essentially a poll tax, and it's just one more obstacle in some cases, these thousands and thousands of dollars. You know I think we continue to see efforts like that in states like Florida and it does impact the outcome of the election not just in terms of who can have access to the ballot but also you know what they're voting for him. You know we see Gerrymandering as a massive problem across the country in the Florida's new different you know the Florida Republican legislature has. Continued to draw on to draw very gerrymandered maps and you know we continue to fight in these districts that are systematically rigged to disenfranchise voters. So in addition to you know. Access to the ballot and making sure that individuals can cast their votes in accessible way. It's also a matter of you know where they're casting their votes from, and so you really see this systematic disenfranchised and suppression from both sides states like Florida. On election night, the country will look to Florida as a potential bellwether state for the presidency. If history is any guide, we may not have a satisfying or clear answer in Florida while the face of Biden trump and many down ballot candidates hang in the balance. What we do know is what happens in the election matters Fallon Debbie have both been able to have a significant impact in the house from leading the impeachment inquiry to pass him the George Floyd justice and Policing Act to address gun violence I asked both women to tell me a story of one of their proudest moments office here's Debbie. Twenty eighteen these kids got organized and they created March for life and they marched and they elected the largest class in the House of Representatives that were going to work for gun safety measures, and we passed the universal background check bill in the House under my committee the first one in twenty years and that no one expected that was going to happen and they made that possible. So set bicep little by little we're GONNA get there and we just can't forget that. Because I lost my dad's gun violence and because I ran on that issue because I share that story with people that I know here that have become very close to it was one of my proudest moments very emotional that room week we had to get it through committee eleven hours of Republicans. Putting angry roadblocks us to get that bill. In that room was filled with MOMS with students that had been in Parkland with parents had lost their children at that shooting in Parkland and it was so emotional an even the chairman at the end after eleven hours it was ruling but but the feeling that we did it I mean it was so emotional and and that's one of my proudest moments and here's vow. Every day that I walk into the capital which I consider my office. And I think about my upbringing. and. I think about things I those who tried to discourage me or say that I couldn't make it there every day that I have an opportunity to walk into the Capitol and work on behalf of my constituents is a highlight for me and as I said earlier, my job is to make sure that we create those opportunities for. Others. I have to say this and it may be kind of been awkward highlights but this is the one that I want to. my first speech on the House floor and I, think every member remembers air first speech you know I. I dreamed about what my first speech would be I thought it would be about. Healthcare our our. National. Security. Or Education a my first speech on the House floor ended up being. A. Tribute to a police sergeant who had been killed. That day. By a person who was wanted for murder and was in possession of a weapon who he should have never been in possession of. In the first place. And so you know it just reminded me of and certainly come from Orlando were as you know, we lost forty nine people in the pulse nightclub shooter. It was just a reminder that I did not anticipate but a reminder that the work that we do is so important and we have to make sure that we continue. To pass work on legislation to do everything within our power to get it passed, that will keep guns out of the hands of people who should not have them. In the first place you should be able to go to school church synagogue, nightclub, a movie theater concert, and not have to worry about someone walking in with the gun and gunning innocent people down and so I just say that it was it was just coal reminder for me at the word I'm doing is so important and so. Critical. And then I have to talk and everytime I have an opportunity to sponsor a bill or Get legislation passed I worked on. some legislation health and wellness bill with one my republican colleagues from Indiana Susan Breaks. Early on in my time there, we were glad to get that bill passed to help first responders who deal with traumatic situations all the time that's always a highlight. Being appointed as an impeachment manager protecting the Constitution of old in the rule of law and protecting our most precious system of government was a highlight for me. I mean what an honor to have been chosen. I would say one of the biggest challenges has been of the partisanship on issues that it should not be. Again, we think about our infrastructure when we think about healthcare our response to covert. Nineteen. Those should not be political issues because they impact all of the American people. So I'm hoping you know every day that I'm on the House floor it's a new opportunity for us to get our act together and get work done on behalf of the American people. Next time on women belong in the House. We're heading north to talk about a state that somewhat new to the swing. State roster. Georgia. 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What to Make of U.S. Airstrikes in Iraq and Syria

The Lawfare Podcast

48:48 min | 2 months ago

What to Make of U.S. Airstrikes in Iraq and Syria

"We have seen a number of these actions in recent years. There's always framed as deterrent actions yet. They're deterrent effect. Is not entirely self evident. Certainly these shia militia groups are continuing to undertake these attacks at a significant enough pace to warrant these military responses and the united states has in response particularly since january twenty twenty killing of castle amani iranian revolutionary guard corps commander who was killed in us drone strike along with a of senior officials from one of these militias catava spa. Since then we have seen the security situation in iraq deteriorate substantially that combined with the global pandemic and perhaps in progress in the counter. Offensive state offensive has led. The united states has coalition partners to significantly reduce their presence in iraq troop level wise in terms of facilities. They maintain to be a little more secure. And so i think they're good questions to be raised here saying how effective is this strategy of deterrent. Now i think probably many people in the department of defense and elsewhere would say there is a real value here. We are undermining capabilities in putting limits. On what these groups are willing to attempt to undertake even if we can't stop it altogether and that may be right. I'm jacob scholtz and this is author. Podcast june thirtieth two thousand twenty one early monday morning. The us carried out airstrikes and rock syria against to running back militia wishers. Strikes raise a whole host of diplomatic legal and policy questions to break them all down. I sat down with scott. Are anderson ball fares executive editor and a senior fellow in the national security law program at columbia law school before offer. Scott it also served as the legal adviser for the. Us embassy in baghdad is offaire podcast june thirtieth to make of us air strikes in iraq and syria. All right so scott get us started and just talk a bit about what actually happened over the weekend so who was targeted. And where did the strikes take place. This past sunday we saw what is by most. At least i think the second major offensive military operation of the biden administration in the form of a series of air strikes on facilities that are used at least according to the defense department by iran backed militias the two groups they specifically name although it implies it's not limited to these groups are cut up his gala and cut upside al-shuhada these are two groups that were targeted action. The last set of air strikes the by administration pursued in february. They're both iran backed militia groups or the belief via ron backed militia groups primarily operating in iraq but also in syria one. Stop his balas. Been kinda longtime player. They both really have for many years in iraq. The other one is associated with the bottom organization. Which is kind of a broader. A militia imp local movement in iraq and the air strikes targeted these facilities on the logic that they were involved in a number of recent you a via tax meaning unmanned aerial vehicle attacks in iraq on us facilities and this has become a point of concern lease according to media reports among us officials recently because these attacks were using explosives laden small drones that were able to fly at an altitude and that operated at a scale that made them very hard to attacked by the security systems that are usually used to help secure us military and diplomatic facilities interact from rocket attacks. Which is the most conventional most common form of attack that of various militias in iran backed militias groups like islamic state of taken on. Us facilities in iraq. Three airstrikes took place to on facilities in syria which is very similar to what the administration didn't february strikes. But what's most notable is the third one took place on eh facility within iraq close to the border. The statement for the by mystery was very careful to emphasize the border syria. I should say but nonetheless within iraq and that's notable because it crosses a bit of a red line. The trump administration did take military action against various iran backed militias in both syria and iraq. But it was highly controversial when it did so the iraqis then as they have now condemned that action as a violation of their sovereignty because they had not given their consent to those military operations as the bind administration's decision to take that step now kind of puts its operations in iraq and syria against these militias in a slightly different zone. One that is in greater tension With the iraqi government and that poses new challenges to the bilateral relationship there and just give us a bit of a sense of time. Line here so when did the strikes on the us military bases occur. How fast moving situation as this as far as we know the strikes occurred Over what was in the evening here on the east coast of in the middle of the night would have probably monday morning. I suppose Iraq time they appear to be kind of planned attacks Meaning they are not necessarily being claimed that they were intended to stop an imminent in the conventional uses of use of the term. That term has a certain legal technical usage. We can get to in a second but in the conventional sense that there. Weren't you know drones on the runway ready to launch but the defense department has asserted that these sites had been involved in prior attacks. Were part of a pattern of attacks involving these you a vs on. Us facilities and that these attacks were intended to disrupt those operations and to deter them moving forward so there was a little bit of obviously a selection on the part of us forces they chose to operate itself and do in the middle of the night you know. They chose these facilities very specifically. They said that they're specifically calibrating their tax in a way to minimize the risk of further escalation of doctor. What exactly that means a perhaps. They're trying to limit the casualties that would result from it. Something to that effect but obviously wasn't that this was necessarily a moment where they were responding to some attack. That was immediately incoming but instead they were responding to a broader pattern of action and that that was the effort what they were trying to deter and prevent is any number of future attacks. That may come from the same actors and these same resources that they were targeting and to what has the kinetic response been from from opposing forces in iraq and syria. Well so far. We've seen a couple of different reactions in syria. There were a number of tax on a facility where us forces were operating within syria That have been tied back to these. Most recent rocket attacks and is notable that khattab aside shahada actually has said that they who who i should note claims to have lost four personnel. Who were killed in these rocket attacks had said that they see this as a sign of open war between the united states and we're going to respond militarily and this may be part of that i'm not sure if those attacks have been clearly tied back to that group at the stage or not yet within iraq. We haven't seen a a military response as of yet that i'm aware of what we have. Seen is a diplomatic response. The iraqi government did come out and say specifically spokesperson military spokesperson within the prime minister's office and the current prime minister of iraq. Prime instructed amis is seen as somebody who is a former intelligence official is usually favourably inclined towards the us iraq relationship and has been fairly proactive and trying to rein in of various ronnback motions in iraq although largely unsuccessfully and it is in a very difficult political position with them but the nonetheless somebody who is on the iraqi political spectrum relatively favorable to the us rack relationship nonetheless a spokesperson office said this is a violation of international law and a violation of iraqi sovereignty and is something that we think is a problem is putting iraq in this position of being a battleground for attacks between iran and the united states which it has repeatedly said before it is not interested in being in that position then the on the street in iraq we saw a number of groups get together and organize large scale public demonstrations around a funeral for the four individuals who were allegedly killed in these attacks processing through parts of baghdad in other parts of iraq that kind of demonstrating popular support for these groups At least in certain quarters of iraq and underscoring some of the reactions negative reactions at many iraqis have to us military operations in iraq that take place particularly where they're not authorized by the iraqi government and not that in coordination with them as will move back to the diplomatic side of things later. But i this being law fair. We talk about the legal side so scott. What is the public facing legal theory on the domestic side under which these strikes were conducted and mortar the documents or the statements. Where were that was articulated. Sure will we actually as of the time a recording. This have not yet seen what we would expect to see for an attack like this. That's a forty eight hours. Where powers report. That is a type of world powers report. That's the executive branch is required to give to congress within forty eight hours of an event. Like this where relies upon constitutional authority when it when it when it doesn't rely on statutory authority. Perhaps i should say and so. We would expect that to come forward shortly. I i suspect it will be posted on the white house's website anytime imminently. They're not actually required to release those publicly but they generally do as a matter of practice. The trump administration was a little less consistent about that but other recent administrations have been fairly consistent and publishing them on the white house website and the administration has been so far and so we expect to see that with the floor statement that said the defense department did come out with a pretty robust statement. Shortly after the attacks were reported that laid out the legal foundation for that And what they said is that they are domestically basis for acting of undertaking. This action was article two of the constitution. The president's authority as commander in chief the armed forces and under the executive power the kind of broad scope of executive authority that the executive branch has traditionally claimed under different parts of article two particularly the roma foreign relations and national security. This is itself not a controversial proposition for those who buy into the executive branches view of article two authority several presidential ministrations of both parties have asserted that the president can use his or her article to authority to defend. Us military diplomatic personnel other us citizens as well and facilities oversees from hostile attacks at least insofar as congress hasn't specifically restricted that sort of action which it hasn't done here and where the nature scope and duration of it's kind of a term of art of the military tax is of atop certain type that falls below the threshold of what is considered a war for constitutional purposes. What exactly that means is a kind of sophisticated complicated test to go into that. Has various factors but long short of it is essentially means a more limited armed conflict and this would seem to qualify compared to what prior presidential ministrations have done against a limited series of iraqi taxes relatively small compared to certain other actions prior administrations have taken under article two and claimed did not hit that threshold of a war for constitutional purposes. So in that regard is not at all surprising that the vita mysteries would claim to be able to act under article two in this way. That doesn't mean that they're necessarily right. That doesn't mean that there isn't room for people disagree with them in. Indeed there are people who who certainly do Including some in congress but it's acting in a manner consistent with what the executive branch of asserted for affirmative time now across both administration certainly back to the obama administration where obviously many of the the same people in office right now were in similar positions. Work on these issues. In the obama administration. What's notable about this domestic legal justification if anything is that it doesn't make reference to either the two thousand one which was enacted after the nine eleven attacks and released al qaeda the taliban kind of prius affiliated forces of them at least as interpreted by the executive branch and the two thousand and two am f. which specifically related to iraq was enacted prior to the us invasion of iraq. In two thousand three. The trump administration had argued that both of those documents actually authorized the united states to take military action against any third party that threatens us forces or foreign partner forces where those forces are collaborating on an effort authorized by the f. so specifically in iraq. They argue that. Well when a shia militia third party not covered by these ams necessarily although there's an argument there about dozen to which we can get into they say because the united states and iraqi forces and coalition forces that had suffered from these rocket attacks were involved in a counter islamic state mission. Which is the purpose for which they are. Interact with iraq's permission with racks consent. The two thousand one and two thousand to william f which authorized that can omission also authorized the united states to act in defense of those forces against third parties like the iran backed militias and that's what the trump administration said when we act against these militias. We are acting underneath. The statutory authority. They also said arkell to qualified as well. What this means in practice isn't one hundred clear with what the differences in terms of scope. I don't think we have a real clear sense. What that scope of colette. What's often called collective self-defense. Authority is under the two thousand one and two thousand to a ams it's not super defined because it was a fairly novel theory that was primarily advanced by the trump administration has some roots and certain actions by the obama administration towards towards the end of its time in office but You know certainly did move back to article two seems to be a signal and relying strictly on article two seems to be a signal that administration not might not buy into. That interpretation of the ams or lease doesn't wanna publicly rely on it now the by administration hasn't done what we would expect it to do if it formerly rejected. That argument which is that they should under very related reporting statutory reporting regimes report to congress a change in the legal and policy framework that it applies in making these sorts of legal decisions about these force because the trump administration had publicly asserted that theory as part of those reports. So we haven't seen the official changed yet but the fact that they're not relying on it seems to suggest maybe a movement away from it or a resistance to re emphasizing that particular interpretation of the ams wata unpack there so scott. I you've mentioned earlier in the conversation. This is the second. The major overseas kinetic operation the first of which was in late february and in les mis remembering. They used roughly the same logic right to to justify that strike. Is that right. that's exactly right. I mean that's strike really looked a lot like these. I use the same domestic legal justification the same more or less the same international legal justification and again it targeted very similar entities there it was a facility associated with qatar hezbollah and Keb aside al-shuhada with him specifically and it was tied to rocket attacks. And there's a little bit of a question about the relationship between these facility and the rocket attacks there that's particularly relevant for potential international law analysis but nonetheless. There was that a claimed nexus between that site in these these groups here. It's a similar argument again. The big distinction is the fact that they then pulled in this facility in iraq as well but other than that. This looks a lot like what happened in february. And what what do you think from your perspective. What are the advantages. Why might the biden administration want to reach for the the inherent article to justification instead of pointing to either a. m. is sort of a is it executive. Power argument is something to the effect of the by administration has made murmurings that they're interested in amf repeal on this is acting consistent. With what do you think. I think i think what you just noted is one definitely one possible reason that they may have adopted this view the ams the executive branches uses of the maps across several administrations now has become increasingly controversial. A particularly where they have been interpreted in ways that do not square very ridley with original congressional intent or really with the statutory language. The executive branch has traditionally a knows. It often can get away with really pushing the envelope and how it reads these things precisely because the courts are often very resistant. Intervening in disagreements between congress and executive branch how these sorts of statutes should be read in the national security space. And so what we've seen is this expansion of particularly the jazz one a. m. f. but also the two thousand and two am more recently by the trump administration to incorporate new targets that surprise people used to justify new operations that clearly were not anticipation of congress when they enacted them. That's become very politically controversial particularly among while. Actually kind of the libertarian wing of the republican party but more relevantly perhaps for the by administration the progressive wing of the democratic party And people on both sides of that as well as a number of people in the political center are now moving towards reforming both of those statutes and the first step which has already taken place actually earlier. This month is for many repealing. The two thousand two. Am relating to iraq which is not actually directly relied on exclusively for any ongoing military operations at the counter. Ice mission is supported by both jackson. One and two thousand two months. You can take the two two. Am f. out of that picture and it doesn't. It doesn't interrupt operations at all. Thousand represented actually voted with. Bipartisan support to repeal the two thousand him earlier this month the by administration kind of came in late in the game. The day of the vote. eric or perhaps the day before with a statement of administration policy endorsing repeal. Basically saying what. I just said that this isn't going. To impact current operations negatively in that. It's basically a good housekeeping measure that congress should leaves authorizations on the books that could be used and abused in different unexpected ways moving forward. That's the subtext. At least on the quite come out came out and said that and so the by administration i think may have anticipated that move in february and here certainly would be in a difficult position potentially if it came out and relied on the two thousand two af f. even after it said it should repeal it until there's that sort of political dynamic there. I also think you know. It's quite possible that a number of the lawyers in the by administration genuinely see this collective self-defense. Interpretation as stretching the envelope on the ams a little bit too far and in ways that might be a little bit problematic. Certainly i think actually a lot of people would accept that the president has article to authorities certainly defend us forces from attack. And there's a good argument. At least under the exact how the executive branch reads article to say that the president would probably have authority to use military force at least a limited nature to defend allied forces From outside attack relying on the amf isn't strictly necessary. In these cases and primary effect is actually to take transparency by getting around these reporting requirements that it would otherwise apply. So you know it might be as a more kind of legal policy angle to say. This is a better way to do this. And serves our other policy interests in this sort of situation more squarely in. What has the congressional response to the so far. Well it's interesting congress's very busy with the number of items right now in. This hasn't gotten quite as strong or as vocal response in all camps as a certain prior actions had including the strikes in february. I don't think i'm but we have seen a number of people primarily on at least most vocally among democrats actually saying that this is part of a trend that they continue to find concerning that the president while they support the president acting in defense of us personnel in us military troops. I don't think any member of congress is gonna come out against that. They say it's a problem that they don't appear to have coordinated with congress or or saw authorization from congress in advance before doing this at perhaps the most target critique actually came from senator chris murphy who said that look. This is one of several of a series of these were two strikes against these iran backed militia groups or lease allegedly run back militia groups in iraq that we seen basically since december two thousand nineteen when the trump administration started taking these sorts of actions and he said at a certain point when we see a whole pattern of these doesn't it rise to a level of hostilities a pattern hostilities. That under the power resolution requires congress to authorize it or else the sixty day clock that were partial solution. Impose will run. The executive branch will eventually kind of run out of authority. I think most people the executive branch probably don't buy that interpretation I think they would say that. These are isolated incidents that each that none of which are sustained enough Or continual enough to kick the sixty day clock collectively. I think many of them would also argue. Frankly that the president has a constitutional authority to defend. Us troops That can't clearly be limited by congress by statute that's a controversial point but certainly there are some people who maintain that view. But i think the key point here is that you know if congress wants that to be the view. The executive branch is going to take. It's clearly isn't the one now as hasn't been the one traditionally and it's probably gonna require further legislative action on the part of congress but nonetheless there are people in congress who voices concerns and say look. This is exactly the sort scenario where we need to see. The executive branch coordinating work closely with congress and perhaps ultimately get congressional authorization. So let's say scott you are yourself in congress now or your congressional staffer. What are the types of things that you want to know from the administration about what happened. What are what is this. Teach you in terms of stuff that you might wanna push. What are what are the lessons from this. Well i think the big question for member of congress to think about here is what this says about the direction of us military activities in iraq and syria. We have seen a number of these actions in recent years there's always framed as deterrent actions. They're deterrent effect. Is not entirely self evident. Certainly these shia militia groups are continuing to undertake these attacks at a significant enough pace to warrant these military responses and the united states has in response particularly since the january twenty. Twenty killing of qassem suleimani iranian islamic revolutionary guard corps commander who was killed in a us drone. Strike along with a number of senior officials from one of these militias. His know since then we have seen the security situation interacted deteriorate substantially that combined with global pandemic and perhaps some progress in the counter. I offensive counters. State offensive has led. The united states has coalition partners to significantly reduce their presence in iraq. Both the troop level wise and in terms of facilities. They maintain to be a little more secure. And so i think they're good question to be raised here saying how effective is the strategy of deterrent. Now i think probably many people in the department of defense and elsewhere would say there is a real value here. We are undermining capabilities in putting limits. On what these groups are willing to attempt to undertake even if we can't stop it altogether and that may be right but it does mean that if there's an effort to move towards a solution to this where the our us military and matic personnel are not going to be under this level of threat indefinitely. The solution is going to have to be go far beyond this military alone Which does not seem to be able to uproot these groups that have very strong domestic support bases in iraq and a lot more freedom to operate. There it's going to be part of a bigger dramatic strategy. That's going to include strengthening the central government iraq's ability to reign in these groups to the extent you can and that is also going to fit in to build a relationship perhaps with iran. Where in no longer feels the incentive to support these sorts of activities by groups that are are widely seen as proxies to them or something close to proxies of. There's so that's the main question. I think i would have for congress to say. How does this is happening now. This potentially very controversial military action that could have real consequences for the us iraq relationship by acting in iraqi territory. That is concerned. How does that fit into this broader picture and a broader strategy. That can actually bring us success in securing the us presence interacting in the broader region and so on the international law side. What's the legal theory for. Why this is justifiable sure. This is a tricky one. You know the the biden administration says clearly. Were acting in self-defence here because these facilities we've targeted were involved in these patterns of attacks against us and we have reason to believe that they will be again in the future and that they will be used as part of a tax in that by acting in this way. We have prevented those attacks to some degree. Almost everyone agrees that international law and particularly the un charter which has an express exception. To the usual prohibition it imposes on. The use of force between states has an express exception for cases of what. It calls inherent right of self-defense. In the almost everyone accepts that that right extends to the ability of states to act against imminent threats of attack of armed attack against them the question then becomes well what imminence mean was an armed attack main and then also those response is supposed to be necessary and proportional. What does that mean in practice to. These cases many international community many international law scholars In many cases the national court of justice at least some opinions moving this direction many other states have a pretty narrow view of this exception Where they say no in fact like these things are supposed to be really cases where you are acting just in response to a strike that is really incoming and you're only supposed to be acting in a way that matches the level of violence to the extent you need to prevent that attack and going further and it'll be perhaps difficult to square this sort of action with that model because again. This is anticipating to some extent further tax based on the past pattern of activity but the united states to its credit perhaps released to the credit of it's consistency has maintained a different view. Pretty reliably for the last few decades across a number of administrations of this idea of self defense seeing it more. Broadly basically arguing that the state has a right to act anytime another for an entity. Enunciate actor or state actor attacks or attempts to use violence against it and that it can respond in a way necessary to prevent future attacks. Or if you're continuations of patterns of attacks and that the question of necessity needs to be balanced against what's necessary to disrupt those attacks on that scale. This attack becomes much more easier to square with the view of international law so similar in a way to the article two argument. I don't think it's surprising. The by an administration would reach this conclusion that this is consistent with international law because it is consistent with how the executive branch over several ministrations has viewed international law. But again i think you're gonna find people international community and elsewhere who say no in fact this isn't consistent with those particular principles of international law. Because they have that sort of narrow view the other interesting question this is actually the real. Tricky one is again. Goes back to make this strike different from the february strike and that is this question of acting on iraq's territory without its consent that is usually something that is prohibited by international law. You're not supposed to take military action on other states. Sovereign territory without its consent but the united states is advanced a pretty controversial theory but nonetheless when that it has relied on several of its military allies have ever light on a number of times now basically saying that will wear a state is unable or unwilling to rein in the threat post when another state by an armed group within its territory the united states or another state. That's threatened by that armed. Groups can act against it without violating international laws relates that state sovereignty. This unable unwilling three again. It's fairly controversial. But it's what the united states is. Coalition allies have relied on to pursue military action against the islamic state in syria which does without the permission of the assad regime and so we haven't seen the by administration actually invoked this theory expressly and we actually never saw the trump administration boquet expressly after december twenty nineteen when it started taking action in iraq without the government's consent but it seems strongly implied in this case. These administrations the united states has reached the conclusion that that the iraqi government very well may be unable or unwilling to address the threat posed by these iran backed militias to us personnel that the international legal basis under which they are acting alternative. Theory could view those armed groups those militias as actually extensions of the iraqi state itself and might have somewhat more dire implications for what the current state of war is between the united states and iraq. Because actually these militias while they operate pretty independently undertake a lot of criminal activity often act in ways that are contrary to the interests of the iraqi government. Even targeting sometimes iraqi military facilities or you know iraqi law enforcement agencies. They nonetheless actually are formerly. Part of the iraqi armed forces happened since two thousand fifteen at least at a desire level although again practically the operate independently. So if you were to focus on that there's even another argument. There might be another relationship here. But i strongly suspect that. Us lawyers are primarily looking at this through the unable unwilling lends and are saying. Well look if the iraqi government can't do anything about this and the iraqi government really has struggled to rain these forces in genuinely and there's a well-established record of that then the united it's can act independently against it again. That is an argument that the united states might by certainly lorries within the executive branch. Some of their allies might buy that theory as well. But other than asking me that are gonna have a problem with it. Perhaps most notably iraqi seemed very unlikely to find it satisfying and it's seems unlikely to persuade them that. This wasn't in some way of violation of their sovereignty. which is what they have claimed. It is into scott. This is also right the type of thing that will get an answer to whenever that eventual war powers report comes out right. Presumably now actually were powers. Reports don't always include the international legal justification and. Actually i say personally. But i i strongly suspect whatever we see from administration actually is going to try and avoid this question of unable or unwilling precisely because it is politically. Touchy the forty hours. Report isn't required to give a legal basis of the international league basic. Excuse me for military action that actually just has to cover the domestic legal basis so there may be nothing there. I'm not aware again of the trump administration of the biden administration having previously disclosed. That it's made the sort of determinations. I'm not sure exactly where we would look to find it if if at impact exists. But we might seem more information. Certainly that by administration has advanced part of its international legal justification in its department of defense statement. We've seen so far. It said again that acted pursuant to self defense. it's made pretty clear references ideas of necessity and proportionality in. They're making clear that it was aware of these and has taken into account how it framed as attack. So maybe we'll see more on that front. But i'm not one hundred percent sure we'll have to wait and see and so let's move to the policy side of things so before we get into diplomatic questions. Walk me through. What is what's the strategic logic of undertaking these strikes. What exactly in your view do you think the by the administration is trying to accomplish by doing this. Well that's a really good question. I mean they say lee. Did this strike to determine disrupt these. unlv strikes Which i think there is. Every reason to believe in certainly media reporting suggested are real source of concern for the security of military and diplomatic personnel in iraq. So that has two parts of that one. You have to ask these these facilities actually being used for this did they provide a necessary component of those sorts of uab operation. That is now disrupted certainly to disrupt suggests that and deter is a little bit more fuzzier concept saying is this somehow a cost that we're imposing on these groups that is going to make them less likely to voluntarily undertake this sort of action in the future. Even if they have the capability of doing so again. I you know i think the deterrence question as as as i mentioned earlier is a tricky question here because we are still seeing these attacks although again perhaps they're not of the severity the frequency that they might be otherwise absent. These sorts of strikes a disrupt capability is a much more concrete factual question. We don't have the intelligence to answer that question. The public doesn't probably never will or might not Seems the most likely will not but the defense department presumably does And i i like to think that. And i would be surprised if they made that sort of assertion without any basis in the record whatsoever so there probably was some tie between these operations at these facilities. The question is you know. How much does it disrupt it. you know. Are we talking about a one hour delay or a six month interruption in their ability to undertake this and that factors into whether these strikes make sense for policy basis and in many cases whether they're warranted as a legal basis but those determinations made within the executive branch particularly within the military. And so we don't always have visibility on them certainly in real time or soon after the fact. Sometimes you get you dig into it as a historian long after the fact and get some get some ground truth about what was actually happening there and that may be what we have to wait for the big question i think is what made the by administration more willing to take the step to act in iraq that it wasn't willing to take in february because there certainly were targets associated with qatar hezbollah and probably with a closer association with some of the rocket attacks. Catava hezbollah had undertaken against a rest- believed to have been undertaken against us facilities in iraq within iraq. Again there was a little bit of a debate among people look at saying well. How much do the site really have to do with those strikes and arguably weakened legal case a little bit certainly weaken the policy case the by ministration chose not to do that presumably because it wanted to preserve its relationship with the iraqi government and avoid doing things that were going to be seen as violent sovereignty. Here it's willing to push a little further in doing that. Take that risk and that risk is real in his already manifested again. We've already seen what people see a fairly pro. Us prime minister come out or lease his office come out and condemn this as a violation of iraqi sovereignty and he may very well be under even more pressure constituencies with interact to accelerate up. What has been so far fairly gradual reduction in the us military presence in iraq. That might complicate. You know counter. Isis missions by complicate other. Us strategic objectives in the region and therefore come with a real cost so it's a balancing act. You know the by administration has to say well. How far can we push the iraqi government without actually feeling compelled to to really wind things down and limit their cooperation with us in ways that we find detrimental on the counter isis or other strategic fronts and then what are the benefits of the strike in terms of its impact on this a. capability and then you have to bring in the third variable which is us relations with iran itself. Because of course all this is happening against the backdrop of negotiations which are still being very hard fought And have seemed to be at a standstill at points. And then we see signs of progress in another standstill between the united states and iran about re entering the iran nuclear deal that president trump withdrew from where some some successor arrangement. You know we have also seen recent iranian elections that have brought to the head of the running government a figure seen as a hardliner by many accounts. Although i don't know if you have a really firm grasp of exactly his views on these foreign policy issues And where exactly. He falls on them yet really from practices he's obviously just entered office. And so you know. There's a lot of different variables in the air that the by administration is weighing out in making this decision and it's a very hard decision and many of them are difficult factors to way with any sorts of precision. I think the most we can say is that You know the by administration very clearly was trying to frame this as a very limited act. They said this is just one facility near the syrian border. We really are doing this because it's tied to these. Uav strikes. They're trying to as much as they can. I think kind of signaled to the iraqi government look into the iraqi people perhaps more importantly this was something that we really did out of necessity. And because we've been pushed this far by these militias are causing many problems for iraqis as they are for americans so you must understand why we do this and trying to make their case there and hopefully we'll see more of that on the diplomatic front making the case why. This was a necessary step and not something. The united states wants to make a pattern or do to willy nilly because there is a tension with iraqi sovereignty. But we'll have to see i. It's a really really complicated. As set of considerations the united states has to way here. And i don't envy. The policymakers having to balance it out figure out the right way forward. There's no perfect analog here. But i'm curious. What type of impact does an incident like this have on both us rocky relations and us around relations. Right there's a lot of different variables to both of those bilateral relationships. How much can one individual incident like this. Sort of stir things upper or unsettled. Things so i think the historical record on this suggests a medium amount kind of a lot in the short term but less in the long term in the short term after the december two thousand nineteen strikes. A trump administration pursued Which was again the first airstrikes along this model That the united states pursued we saw a number of popular protests within iraq. That actually led many. Which i should be noted we're kind of facilitated and supported by some of these militia groups that were involved and believed to be supported by ron and pursuing these anti us actions. We saw these protests movements and up with three. Large-scale demonstrations outside the us embassy in iraq and then with some people actually charging us embassy and breaking in their dramatic videos which i was asked him but he worked at the us embassy for for a good amount of time. We're pretty striking to see. You know these protesters kicking down the door and pushing against these security guards. That are there to protect the diplomats inside in what is by many accounts probably the united states most secure embassy overseas and one of the largest. So you know you can see a pretty dramatic short-term action at the same time you know. The sola mani killing led the iraqi parliament to almost immediately within a matter of days. Pass a measure saying we want. Us troops out now. Ditto as a nonbinding measure the iraqi government has slow roll that and basically said we want the united states to engage in a dialogue about moving itself towards the exits in terms of its military presence in iraq. Both out really insisting on a firm tight deadline at least so far but nonetheless that is a pretty dramatic Short term solution for a us iraq military relationship that had actually been pretty closely held. An and i think had had mended a lot of the last years because of us support in the counter islamic state efforts by the iraqi government. And so you see these big shorter actions. What we don't see yet is a sign that these sorts of airstrikes are likely to completely undermine the us iraq security relationship because we do still see the iraqi government under prime minister academy you know kind of slow rolling or engaging a gradual process about reducing troop presence. And it's not entirely clear. The united states and its coalition allies want to maintain a major troop presence in iraq or feels necessary for counter islamic state operations. Moving forward especially as a security situation genuinely has deteriorated and as the united states is kind of reorienting itself. More towards great-power competition with china and russia and less towards these regional conflicts regional commitments. And so you know it is. A question is a very good question as well. How much is this one thing going to make a difference in. What i suspect is that we will see a number of sort of public reactions. We've already started to see in iraq and that it is kind of one more. You know straw on the camel's back to say that eventually we're gonna hit some sort of breaking point if we keep pushing this sort of limit and acting in iraq and away. The iraqi government feels like it has to oppose. And at some point they are going to it's going camel's back is waiting to break and they're going to have to publicly say we no longer supports yesterday. Presence here you need to leave now but is this going to be the the thing that pushes it across that line. I kind of doubt it. I and it does seem that. That relationship is perhaps a little more durable than some people including me thought it might have been a year and a half ago and the by administration may be counting on the fact that they've still got a little more space they can push before they'll be any long-term major disruptions there so as you watch out for for what happens next year. Wooder things on the sort of diplomatic side that your your ear to see how they pan out sort of clues to see what the impact of the saw might be things that we should look out for. Yeah i think a lot of this comes into how the united states tries to frame these actions. Both with the sort of iraqi -letes And with the iraqi public and perhaps more importantly how they give how much framing material they give to the iraqi leads to be able to sell continued. Us iraq security cooperation to the public and take political pressure off of them to to end it prematurely sooner than the by administration wants to see it end That is going to mean that. The united states needs to do with the administration actually has really made a point of very vocally. That's a sharp contrast with the trump administration which is to say. We are here to be partners of the iraqi government. We are here to support the iraqi government and to try and keep the iraqi government able to do what it needs to do to be effective. And we're not here to tread on its sovereignty and we're not here as an occupying power or as one of these other you know hostile elements that they're often cast of By opponents of the us presence in iraq in iraqi media and other sources and so we really need to see is what that sort of diplomatic engagement looks like. an how the united states can shape that message. It's not easy and part. Because the united states i think a lot of iraqis have very instincts really. Distrusting perspective of the united states and that united states is constantly trying to overcome that barrier as part of the reason and it just doesn't have the same cultural and historical connections that Many of these other groups do with different parts of iraq including some of these around back militias. Which do have ties to local communities and media and to some extent. Rhonda's well that. Just put them in a better position to shape those sorts of public perceptions but there are little things the united states can do most of them come back to re emphasizing that. We're here to help the iraqi government and you know putting their money where their mouth is actually doing it with security assistance foreign assistance and a supportive diplomatic posture. And that. that's what i would look to see. I would also look to see the by inspiration being very careful and taking these steps moving forward. The trump administration was very robust and it's rhetoric. Although you know it actually particularly after the uproar and exchange of hostilities directly with iran. Follow this money. Strike pursued a couple of additional strikes but was not you know doing this at the tempo that some of its rhetoric midas suggested. It was willing and interested in doing. And i think we need to see that from the biden administration. I think that the line rhetorical line they seem to fit. You're saying that this is something that was necessary and is not intended to be assigned that this is something we're going to take regularly is a good one. They need to strike a balance saying communicating the message that this is a real limited action something that we are trying to to the extent we have to do something. That's perceived as intruding on iraqi sovereignty. Do it as little as possible because we care about iraqi sovereignty and that does mean maybe accepting that are real limits to how much you can use this tool that if you were just considering military strategy may wanna pursue more often. So those are the two real variables. Let's look at moving forward. The third one is going to be the engagement with iran over the jcp. Oa if you make real progress on there and it looks like there is real diplomatic a movement then all the sudden iran's interest i think in building hostility with the united states over iraq over some of these other fronts certainly becomes much more costly because it may come at the cost of progress on the sanctions front which is something. I think very much care about other national level and so that's kind of a third front to look at as well but they all interactive very complicated way and again. It's very difficult balance the strike and just to wrap up so these these news items happened right there. Their time that they get in the new cycles often. So brief that i think it's insufficient time for people to sort of digest an process and think about the broader impact of. What's happening so for you when you think about all that's gone on what are what are the big takeaways. The big lessons learned the things that you would hope. People can emerge from this with a new perspective on maybe sure You know what. I think this really unders and the thing that this makes this different from prior things by administration has done is what it means for the us iraq relationship and the us iraq relationship has been a kind of mainstay despite for all the problems. It's had a continues to have Has been a mainstay of the us. Strategic posture for the region for the last twenty years or so certainly since the two thousand three invasion and even prior to that us wreck relations were a big part of the picture but in a very different set of dynamics and so you know i think the administration is interested in preserving that more than the trump administration was the trump administration at various times. Seemed very willing to say. We don't really care about iraq We care much more about putting pressure on iran and that's going to be our priority and the by administration. I think i suspect in part because many of the people heading up middle east policy for the vitamin station are themselves very experienced iraq hands and has been a lot of time there and have a lot of personal experience there. They really do care. Seem to care about the relationship even as it is probably playing a smaller part in the overall strategic picture of the united states. It might have once and so. I think it's it's important saying okay. We see this. What looks like a small difference. It looks like the united states has done before. But this this is perceived really differently by iraqis by the iraqi government and it could have major dynamics for that relationship. Then you have to evaluate okay. Why is the bina choosing to do this now. What does that tell us about how they prioritize things again. I suspect the by administration is going to try and reconcile they recognize this came at a to some of their potential relations with the iraqi government but sought as valuable enough to pursue on other strategic fronts to make that cost worthwhile. And they're just going to try and mitigate it through automatic engagement other strategies. And maybe they'll be successful. Maybe they won't. But i think that's the big factor here saying. Is this going to be a opening to a new line of activity. Similar with the trump administration pursued that could ultimately lead to the end of the us iraq relationship that has been at least the type of cooperative relationship over the last four years has been such a major part of a regional strategy or is it simply a strategic step or tactical. Step that fits within a broader strategy. That still aiming in that direction so as we look at how the by administration continues to approach these issues. That's the lens. I look at this through is to say whereas what does this tell us about where iraq fits in the bigger picture and to some extent. I think this particular step couldn't have being a big part of that story but we'll have to wait to find out to know for sure and that is all the time we have today. Scott thank you so much. Thank you for having me the welfare podcast is produced in cooperation with the brookings institution. Your audio engineers. Today was hamza shoe of goat rodeo. 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"From New York City one of the epicenters of the pandemic in the United States the system accuracy now. Today the United States. Supreme Court stood on the right side of history. Declaring that sexual orientation in gender identity, discrimination are both evident under federal law in an historic six to three vote. The Supreme Court rules employers who fire workers for being gay or transgender are breaking the country's civil rights laws. The decision comes just days after the trump administration eliminated health protections for transgender people under the affordable care act, we'll get the latest and looking at the growing movement, declaring Black Trans lives matter over the past week. Two more Black Trans women were killed. I think under stand, but there can't be. A successful black lives matter you bad without understanding at black lives matter as well and must be centered. And, as more monument, celebrating the nation's racist history are toppled or removed, we speak to green. Five years ago, she was arrested at the state capital in South Carolina after scaling thirty foot, flagpole and removing the confederate flag. All that and more coming up. Welcome to democracy now. Democracy now dot org the quarantine report. I'm Amy Goodman? In a major victory for the B., T., Q. Community and civil rights, the Supreme Court ruled Monday, landmark civil rights. Law Protects Gay Bisexual and transgender people from discrimination in the workplace. The historic six to three ruling comes after decades of legal battles and campaigning. The ruling was penned by one of the courts. Most conservative justices trump appointee, neal gorsuch chief justice John. Roberts joined the majority opinion and stating title seven of the nine thousand, nine, hundred sixty four civil rights act, which forbids workplace discrimination on the basis of sex applies to gay and transgender people at least half of the fifty states previously allowed employers to fire workers for being lgbt. Will have more on this story after headlines. In Atlanta mayor key chalance bottoms has ordered the police department alter its use of force policy, following the police killing Ray Short Brooks. An armed African American man who was shot dead in the parking. Lot of Wendy's police I approach brooks because he'd fallen asleep. The drive through bottoms described his killing as a murder. On Monday Ray Brooks family spoke to the media. This is his cousin Jacko. If you. How this young black man us! Look at so. It's your dream when you see him laugh. That innocence. That joy that pureness a soul. You had a glimpse of what we lost. You have a glimpse of what it feels like. Meanwhile, the Atlanta Police Department has revealed the officer who shot Brooks Scour Ralph. have been the subject of several citizen complaints dating back to two thousand fifteen, but no action was ever taken against him. Ralph was fired after Friday shooting newly released disciplinary records show the other officer at the scene. Devon Brosnan also discharged his firearm. Friday Brosnan has been placed on administrative leave. In News about the police killing of George. Floyd newly released audio shows nine eleven dispatcher in Minneapolis raise concerns about her supervisor about how floyd was treated after seeing surveillance video from a camera near the scene while it was happening. I don't know if they had used force or not. They got something out of the back of the squad and all of them on this man. So I don't know if they need to do or not. They haven't thank me. In another newly released recording from that day, an eyewitness called nine one one to say officers had quote pretty much just killed the sky that wasn't resisting arrest unquote. At least seven Minneapolis police officers have resigned and the aftermath of George Floyd's killing police officers have also quit and other parts of the country including Atlanta where Ray Brooks was killed. As anti racism and police brutality protests continue across the country police. In Albuquerque, New Mexico have detained several members of an armed right wing militia after a protester was shot on Monday. The protesters been hospitalized in critical condition. The shooting occurred as protesters tried to topple a statue of one Dan the. A Spanish colonizer massacred native Americans four hundred years ago earlier in the day. And now they're statue of on Anita was removed in the town of al-Qaeda in New Mexico. In Tallahassee Florida police confirmed Monday they found the dead body of a nineteen year old African American black lives matter activists, Toyin Salou who had been missing for just over a week nearby the body of seventy five year old Victoria Sims, a white woman and Aarp volunteer was also found. Salou was last seen on June six. She tweeted that same day that a man that's sexually assaulted her a man. Aaron Glee Junior has been arrested in connection with the two killings toy. Friends and supporters are calling for justice for the activists who is a regular presence at black lives matter protests here. She is speaking following the police killing of Tony, mcdaid block transgender man in Tallahassee last month. It's only mcdade with a black trans man okay. We're not doing this. We join is for him. We doing his brothers and sisters who got shot, but we doing this for every black person because at the end of the day. I cannot take skin color. I cannot mess this day. Okay, everyone. Go. I'm profiles whether I like it or not. With have more on the murders of Black Trans people later in the broadcast, meanwhile in Akron Ohio protesters gathered Monday at the site where in eighteen year, old black teenager Nikita Crawford was shot and killed Sunday while driving her grandmother. She graduated from high, school less than two weeks before she was killed. Witnesses say a white man shot Crawford from a car. That police are now trying to locate Nicosia Crawford's family believes the incident was racially motivated in California. The FBI, the Department of Justice Civil, rights, division and the US. US Attorney's Office for the Central District of California or reviewing investigations into the recent deaths of two black men who are both found hanging from trees, ten days apart and about sixty miles apart twenty four year old Robert. Fuller was found in Palmdale last week. His death was originally described as a suicide by local authorities, but his family says they don't believe this was the cause and many are calling his death lynching thirty eight year old Malcolm. Harsh was found hanging from a tree, a nearby Victorville ten days before no official cause of death has been released. United Nations Human Rights Council has announced it will hold debate on racism and police brutality in the United States Wednesday. This comes in response to a proposal by a group of African countries led by burkina-fasso. The Nation's recently expressed alarm over quote. Recent incidents of police brutality gets peaceful demonstrators, defending the rights of Africans and if people of African descent unquote in other international news, the US Embassy in Seoul has your move. A large black lives matter banner and pride flag from the building's facade. The US ambassador had approved, both but on Monday the State Department ordered them removed. The New York. Police Department has announced its dismantling. It's plain clothes anti crime unit. The six hundred officers in the unit will be reassigned in two thousand, eighteen, the intercept reported plainclothes. anti-crime officers have been involved in thirty one percent of fatal police shootings in New York since two thousand meanwhile Albuquerque New Mexico has announced plans to create a new civilian department made up. Up of social workers and others to respond to nonemergency nine one one calls and Seattle City Council Monday voted unanimously to ban police use of tear gas and chokehold in Georgia. The state legislature reopened Monday after being shut down since March due to the pandemic with bipartisan call to pass a hate crime spill Georgia is one of four states with no such laws. In other policing news, the Supreme Court has declined to hear cases involving the legal doctrine known as qualified immunity. Critics of the doctrine said it has shielded many police officers departments from being sued in other Supreme Court justices rejected trump's challenge to California's state. Sanctuary law in a major victory for immigrant rights advocates. The move leaves in place the ruling by San. Francisco's Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, which said local officials do not have to help. Immigration agents enforce federal laws. The Supreme Court also declined to take up a number of Second Amendment cases, challenging state gun control laws including open carry restrictions. Restrictions in Maryland. New Jersey in a major blow for environmental and indigenous activists. The Supreme Court ruled the six hundred Mile Atlantic coast pipeline built by Dominion Energy and Duke. Energy Can Cross beneath the Appalachian Trail in Virginia, George Washington National Forest only. Justices Elena, Kagan and Sonia Sotomayor dissented in the seven to two ruling. Friends of the Earth said quote, if built the Atlantic coast pipeline would spew toxins, harm, wildlife, and disproportionately impact, the thirty thousand plus native peoples living in its path today Scottish rule to let it proceed ignoring communities and environment in favor of the fossil fuel industry, they said. As Corona virus cases in the United States. Top Two hundred eleven thousand with over one, hundred, sixteen, thousand reported deaths, and the number expected really to be far higher, the Food and Drug Administration's pulled its emergency use authorization for anti-malarial drugs, hydroxy chloroquine and chloroquine, saying quote, it's no longer reasonable to believe they may be effective in treating covert nineteen. The drugs have been repeatedly touted by president trump, even as multiple studies showed they were not only ineffective for covid nineteen, but potentially could result in heart, attack or death. When asked about this latest news, trump continued to defend the drugs on Monday. People that were like seriously ill like. They weren't gonNA. Make It. Let's give a little hydroxy, and then they don't make and they say oh well. Maybe the president was wrong. All I know is we've had some tremendous reports? President trump also blamed increased testing for the country's high number of corona virus cases. If you don't test, you don't have any cases. He told reporters Vice President Mike Pence echoed this idea and a coal with governors Monday encouraging them to adopt the same message. That more testing is leading to rising numbers. Than community spread due to relaxed restrictions, but the data suggests recent spikes in cases are much greater than what would simply reflected by higher number of tests, being administered cases continue to surge in Arizona were over forty, four hundred new cases reported over the weekend. Arizona's outbreaks started surging in early June two weeks after lifting its stay at home order. Arizona's infection rate per capita is now more than three times higher than new. York State Florida. which is also seeing a spike in cases reported Friday thirty four hundred children have tested positive for coronavirus. Ten of those have a serious inflammatory condition which has been described a health officials, the similar to Kawasaki Disease or Toxic Shock Syndrome. Confirm Corona. Virus cases have now topped eight million worldwide with over four hundred thirty thousand reported deaths. Latin America remains a corona virus hotspot in Peru and Bolivia hospitals are on the brink, as they grapple with a surge of patients and a lack of resources and equipment in Chile where armed soldiers are charged with enforcing curfews and other lockdown measures, new health minister was appointed after his predecessor quit over the government response to the pandemic, and amidst questions over the accuracy of the official death toll, which now stands at over thirty, three hundred. Meanwhile in Nicaragua. Anger is mounting against the government of President, Daniel Ortega which has refused orders, social distancing and his encourage large gatherings. Medical professionals say they're being retaliated against for speaking out. This is doctor Murray Annella Lopez. who say she was fired after suggesting a voluntary national quarantine to halt the surgeon cases? It won't be safe then. Louis I've seen an absence of health. They've precedent is absent. It has been more than thirty days since the first case appeared. That is impressive. We have seen the measures taken in central. American countries I precedence in charts, the ministers of health, and what we have had a lack of information and a little credibility. Officially. There have been over fourteen hundred cases and fifty five deaths reported Nicaragua, but a recent independent studies suggest the true death toll could be twenty times higher. The federal government schedule The execution of four prisoners this summer including three next month, there will be the first federal executions in the United States in nearly two decades after the trump administration reinstated federal capital punishment last year. Reuters is reporting the trump administration's paving the way for US military contractors to sell armed drones to governments that have previously been board from such purchases by reinterpreting a Cold War era arms treaty. The departments of Commerce Energy Justice and Homeland Security approved the new interpretation to the thirty three year old treaty last month. The first drone sales are expected to be approved the summer Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates are expected to be among the first countries to purchase the weapons. In Russia former US Marine Paul whalen was sentenced Monday to sixteen years of hard labor after being convicted of espionage, Wayland was arrested in Moscow last year after reportedly being given a flash drive containing classified information while visiting Russia for wedding. Williams denied all charges says he's being framed. Some have speculated. His arrest was retaliation for the arrest of Russian Gun Rights Activists Maria Bettina who, in two thousand, eighteen pleaded guilty to conspiring to act as a Russian agent without registering with the Justice Department. South Korean News Agency is reporting North Korea appears to have blown up an inter-korean liaison office North Korea had threatened to destroy the office among other threats to South Korea in recent days, North Korea warned today it's ready to enter the demilitarized zone between the two Koreas reportedly partly in response to defectors and south. Korea sending propaganda material to the north. A group of investigative reporters found nearly half of all Nigerian, asylum seekers who arrived in the Netherlands last year, effectively disappeared. They say most of the nearly one thousand unaccounted for refugees were likely forced into sex or drug. The reporters say the pattern is widely seen across other European nations and also affects refugees from other African countries. The International Organization for Migration says up to eighty percent of Nigerian women who migrate to Europe are potential victims of trafficking. And the European, Human Rights Court has ruled in favor of a group of activists who were convicted by French courts for their support of the boycott divestment sanctions movement. The activists can at French supermarkets in two thousand nine and ten raising awareness of the oppression of Palestinians, calling for a boycott of Israeli products, the European Human Rights Court ruled their conviction violated the free speech of the activists and ordered France to pay them damages. And, those are some of the headlines. This is democracy now. Democracy now dot org the quarantine report when we come back. We look at a major victory for Lgbtq community and civil rights. The Supreme Court ruled Monday, a landmark civil rights law protects gay bisexual and transgender people from discrimination in the workplace. Stay with us. Diet. Me? With sanitary and. A Chancellor! Zone. Pulitzer. Breed. Mason's bleed and I'd love to change the world by Shea diamond. This is democracy now. Democracy now dot Org Quarantine report I'm Amy Goodman in New York joined by my co host Juan Gonzalez is home in New Brunswick New Jersey High Juan. Amy and welcome all of our listeners, and the view is across the country and around the world. Well we're going to begin with the Supreme Court ruling Monday that landmark ruling that civil rights law protects gay bisexual and transgender people from discrimination in the workplace. The historic six to three ruling marked a massive victory for the lgbt community as well as everyone as was pen by one of the courts. Most conservative justices trump appointee, neal gorsuch conservative Chief Justice John Roberts joined the majority opinion and stating the title seven at the nineteen, sixty four civil rights act which forbids workplace discrimination on the basis of sex applies to gay and transgender people at least half of the fifty states previously allowed employers to fire workers for being lgbtq. One of the key cases the court considered was that of Amy Stevens a transgender woman who was fired from her job at a Michigan funeral home. In two thousand, thirteen Stevens did not live to see her victory in the Supreme Court. She died last month at the age of fifty nine. The Supreme Court also reviewed the case of Donald Sarda a skydiving instructor who said he was fired for being gay? He died in an accident in two thousand fourteen. This is art as lawyer Gregory Antonino. It'll be a catalyst toward changing history you know. into new decision it's GonNa. Take a the states that. Don't protect LGBT writes time. To adjust to, but is certainly calloused. In historic warned. And That's. That's a bigger than I can imagine. At this time. The victory comes amidst a nationwide uprising against police, brutality and racism. That's often shown a light on violence against Black Trans Women in Brooklyn Sunday at least fifteen thousand people marched through the streets and defensive black trans lives after two more Black Trans women were killed last week. It also comes just days after the trump administration reversed health protections for transgender people under the affordable care act well for more. We're going to Boston Massachusetts to speak with chase. Stranger Deputy Director for transgender justice with the ACLU'S LGBT an HIV project. He was one of the attorneys for Amy Stevens in the landmark supreme. Court civil rights case to protect LGBTQ workers chase welcome back to democracy now can you talk about the significance of the victory and the fact that the person who wrote the majority opinion was the trump appointee neal gorsuch. thank in and thanks for having me back and actually being able to talk about something positive. For wants, this truly is historic ruling and it. Absolutely the court was unequivocal that federal prohibitions on sex discrimination include prohibitions on discrimination against lgbtq people. So this means you cannot be fired across the country for being Lgbtq or otherwise face employment discrimination, but I think what is also important is that courts use title seven cases to interpret all of the other Federal Civil Rights Laws that prohibit sex discrimination, so this is going to have a transformative effect on federal civil rights laws in the context of housing, education and healthcare as well as credit. So this truly is a historic win and in terms of the breakdown. Absolutely briefed case for Neal Gorsuch. He was our. He was our swing. Vote is a textualist. His jurisprudence is premised on the idea that you look to the words of the statute, not to the intentions of Congress at the time statute was enacted, and we hope that he would stick to his principles instead of reverse engineer, an outcome based on politics and he did that, and the chief joined, and I am shocked, but it was the right and righteous decision, and we were on the wall and say so, were they? Well Chase in terms of the nations of this decision just last week, the trump administration reversed health protections for transgender people into the affordable care act, and they announced this. -Ironically on the fourth anniversary of pulse massacre that claimed forty nine lives. In Orlando Florida Gate nightclub your sense of how this would decision have an impact even on on this latest move of the trump administration. Absolutely it will have a huge impact so one of the things to point out is that the trump administration issued a comprehensive anti Trans Regulation at four PM Eastern time on a Friday knowing that the Supreme Court was going to issue opinions. Ten Am on Monday morning, and could likely undo the very regulations that they were putting forth, so it wasn't act of adjust absolute cruelty towards lgbtq people and people who need access to abortion I might. Might, add as well, but ultimately a federal agency cannot contradict the statute that it is implementing, and the ACA has a prohibition on sex discrimination, and that is the source of the protection, so the the trump administration is not the final word on the meeting of sex discrimination under federal off the Supreme Court is, and they just made just absolutely clear that prohibitions on sex discrimination include LGBTQ. People so I think that rule is dead on arrival. Obviously people are going to continue to face discrimination. We know that even when legal protections are in place are particularly are black and indigenous, and Brown Trans Sisters are fem. Sisters are are facing relentless discrimination, and so we have to keep fighting. The laws is not the only source of protection absolutely, but this is going to have a cascading effect and all of the administrative actions that this administration has taken since day one. In two thousand, seventeen from sending title nine student guidance, those actions are completely undermined by yesterday's supreme. Court ruling I wanted to bring Amara Jones into the conversation journalists, founder and Creator, of Trans Lash and assuras equality fellow if you could comment on the significance of Friday's trump. Order that would take away protections for transgender patients under the affordable care act, and then what happened yesterday Amara. Thank you me and it's great to be back on as well. Those. Regulations that allowed for equal access to trans people are pivotal ensued primary ways the first way is that for trans, people who either need or choose to have medical interventions to aid with transition either hormones surgeries. We know that those medical interventions are lifesaving. They have a dramatic impact, not only on people's ability to quite frankly stay alive, but also to have an amount of wellbeing that allows them to be full citizens, and so it's pivotal in that way the second way. Way Of course is that we know that many trans people are afraid to go into odd healthcare facilities, and we that fear is driven by the fat of People's has experienced with discrimination. I even have had that happen before and to spotify that in the law, even with the existing regulation as chase pointed out, people still face discrimination, so that was the case, but to codify that and to expand that means that again that with regards to regular health care or Healthcare that's not related to transition that Trans people would either not be able to access it because of the decision of those healthcare providers or not go in, and because of that fear that's based on a pass discrimination, and all of that's happening against the backdrop of cove nineteen, and so it was particularly cruel in so many ways. I wanted to ask Shaw Change. If you could talk about your the one of the attorneys for Amy Stevens, one of the lead plaintiffs in this case in this historic case, the can you tell us a little bit about her story, and also the unfortunate fact that she was she passed before the final court ruling. Yeah so! That part of the story is absolutely heartbreaking. Amy Like many Trans People like me struggled internally for many years, and ultimately somewhat later in life, came out as transgender to her family, and really had hoped that her employer would accept her as as who she is. And she wrote this incredibly beautiful letter to her colleagues, and her boss at the Michigan Funeral home where she had worked for many years, and was a model employee, and she wrote this letter, and she was immediately fire just because she is transgender, and that was in two thousand thirteen, so she spent the last seven years of her life, fighting this case fighting for justice, even when many people told her that she had no claim. Ultimately it was the United States Equal Employment Opportunity Commission that brought the case against her employer when when the Obama Administration was enforcing federal civil rights laws to protect. Trans and lgbt individuals after the election, we intervened on Amy's behalf to ensure that someone in the case was defending her rights knowing that the United States would likely shift positions which they. Did at the United States Supreme Court? It was the employers in the United States against the workers. And so you know this was an incredible victory for workers in general, this incredible victory for expansive interpretations of Civil Rights Laws and the reality is that amy lost her job. She lost her financial security. She lost her health insurance because we live in a country that ties access to health insurance to employment, which is tragic in and of itself, and her health began to decline as a result of that so she. She spent the last seven years of her life, not only fighting for the basic dignity of the recognition that what happened to her was wrong, but while she was precariously situated, because she did not have financial security, which led directly to her premature death just weeks before the Supreme Court ruled in her favor, and his case and I think that is a reminder that discrimination leads to death, and that is especially true. For Black people who face higher rates of discrimination in employment, higher rates of discrimination in housing shelter access, and as we know higher rates of deadly violence from from the police, and so we have to connect the fact that two of the three individual workers have died before the outcome of this case, and that is directly tied to discrimination, and we have a responsibility to not only. Ensure the enforcement of this action, but go much farther to ensure justice for our full community. Well, let let's go back to a for a moment to hear Amy Stevens in her own words. In living basically key lives. At home and in club book. Work. And in the beginning wasn't so bad. But as time goes on. As time progressed. I got to the point that the to. The people. was becoming downright impossible. And you. Couldn't keep going their way. And things chain to hit number. Two Thousand Twelve When I stood in the backyard with the gun to my chest. Time during the question. If, I can't go forward. And I can't go backwards. And this is all. To. What's the point in King? And in our going over. And over that in my mind. I chose live. And unrealized that I like to me too much. Disappeared go away. That was a Stephen speaking at a navy seal. You news conference before she died last year in September. I wanted to turn now to the mass of March in Brooklyn that took place Sunday. It brought out at least fifteen thousand people to the streets to protest violence against black transgender. Particularly Women who face disproportionate levels of violence hands of police on the streets. Demonstrators wore white and flooded the front of the Brooklyn Museum and surrounding blocks, journalists and Activists Raquel. Willis address the crowd. leaving. Leaving your? Believe! Trees. The protests came as two more black. Trans women were killed last week in Ohio twenty five year old rea-. Milton was shot and killed last Tuesday during a robbery and Liberty Township, according to local authorities to people have been arrested and charged with her murder, Milton worked as a home health care aide and attended the University of Cincinnati one day earlier dominique. remnants fells was found dead Philadelphia and investigations underway. Friends remember her as a social. Butterfly fells was dancer an artist who hoped to become a fashion designer. The killings believed to be at least the thirteenth and fourteenth violent deaths of transgender people this year. The American Medical Association's declared the killings of Trans Women of Color, an epidemic For more we're going to Amar Jones who was there on the stage creator of Slash at the Brooklyn protests? Can you talk about the significance of what is taking place right now? Also the murder of Tony, mcdade and Tallahassee. If the mash up of so many different forces right now. DADS are climbing together at I think creating this this moment of intensity. That book is leading to this these ongoing crisis in depths of. Black Trans. Women and also leading more than fifty thousand. I'm sorry. Fifteen thousand people out on the streets though these events are together and it was significant because I personally. Could not imagine I couldn't remember. A gathering four Black Trans lives that large I would be shocked if it wasn't the largest ever at may actually be the largest gathering for trans rights overall. In American history and so that's that's significant and you know we have these two forces that are at work right now where we have tremendous visibility, tremendous realization of the presence of transpeople, the need for trans riots, our power traditions, both now and throughout history at time a tremendous backlash. That is very real. is. That is. coordinated that is. On the March and these two things are colliding and bass, significant of this moment that we have to hold the reality of both of these things occurring at the same time. Amara I wonder if you did talk as well about the the story of Lean Polanco the Afro Latin X, transgender woman, who was found dead in a jail cell at rikers island last June, she was held in solitary confinement, and the new video shows that guards tried to wake her for approximately ninety minutes before the call for medical assistance. I mean there's so many things are tragic about the death of Laline Palumbo besides the fact that she was a beautiful human being on the tragedy, and her case is the fact that she was in jail waiting for a five hundred dollar bail the fact. Is that The her death could have been prevented if rikers. The worst of the worst presents the largest jail in the world I'm had followed its own rules about monitoring people who had epilepsy. If they had followed their own rules about calling for medical attention, as you mentioned and all of this ties to the fact that she was viewed as less than human being. One of the things that is really clear on the tape. Is that win? Guards found her. And we're taking her body out that they were laughing, making light of the fact that she had died making light of her appearance, and that dehumanisation on is at the core of so much of our mistreatment, and that's one of the things that we have to be equally focused on overturning and I think that's why the sick that you played for aiming. Stevens is so powerful in that I'm bad at the end of the day. Regardless of how different we may appear to other people or the way they may or may not understand who we are that at the end of the day our humanity is equal to theirs, and therefore we deserved should be. A have the same access and be availed of the same rights as everybody else I want to turn to the renowned scholar activist Angela Davis. Speaking on a panel about abolition hosted by dream defenders, Sunday. If we WANNA development intersectional perspective. The Trans Community is showing US away. and. We can't only point to. And we need to point to cases such as the the the the the murder of Tony mcdaid for example, but we have to go beyond that and recognize that that that we support. The Trans Community precisely because this community has taught us how to challenge that which is totally accepted as Norma. I think we would be where we are today. Encouraging ever larger numbers of people to think at within an abolitionist Fram had not the Trans Community taught us that it is possible to to effectively challenge that which is considered the very foundation of our sense of normalcy, so if it is possible to challenge the gender binary, then we can certainly effectively resist prisons and jails and. Police that's Angela Davis. If you'd like to see our our with her last, Friday go democracy now dot org. She talked about defunding police and abolition. Tolson and so much more but Emara Jones if you can talk about the centering of Black Trans lives in the black lives matter movement in this uprising that's going on, not only around the United States, but around the world right now. Well I would say that it's not yet centered. I think that it is beginning to be centered. And I think that what's really powerful about what happened on Saturday is that it was the combination of a lot of knowledge in our community the fact that even though black and Brown Trans, women started the fight for Lgbtq Liberation Stonewall that we were pushed out of it and have not benefited from the movement that we helped to start and we are. Are saying that that's not gonNA happen that we understand from history that we're. We try to you as Dr Davis was alluding to when we try to prioritize some rights over others when we try to prioritize certain groups of people over others. Historically, we know that all the rights that are gain that way our fragile that they don't last very long and. And so the bottom line is that we all go are nobody goes, and what we're saying is that we're going and it's really important against the context of black lives matter it's now because of course black lives matter started to out of the three founders are l. to be two women. I'm trying. Rights are one of the stated goals. Black lives matter. Matter and so what we're saying is that we have to make sure that these movements from history that we have to make sure that these movements return to their roots, and that we all go or or nobody goes, and that was such a powerful thing that I saw when I was on the stage, actually covering it for Trans last night there speaking. And that struck me in. That moment is that we're not going to be left out? Mr Jones I wanNA. Thank you so much for being with US journalist and founder of Trans Lash and chase strange you to FBI director for transgender justice with the ACLU LGBT and HIV project when we come back as more monuments, celebrating the nation's racist history, or toppled or removed, will speak with bree newsome, the woman who five years ago, shimmied up a flag pole on the state capitol grounds in South Carolina and removed the confederate flag. Stay with us. We in have yama man trying to find that were to define how I feel. Every time I returned, something goes down to remind me the dreaming. And his joins to me to realize the lies insulting Salt Meka the best the burdens of the lane. Just because. They say be exceptionally professing. Fix One is is the not the we say? No Sunday. China White folks. They don't want no Republican. They try to defend. being no respect. Won't respect Dr. It's only you discontinue majority Jobe McCain pushing a button to drop some bombs. Somebody's like you ain't doing nothing that's. Restricted, when cake. Is Free State Free our went through college in. Spreading to my brothers and my sisters, the Trying to break down they WANNA studio life. But Stay, strong love Song to freedom fighters by our next guest, bree newsome. This is democracy now. Democracy now dot org the quarantine report I mean he goodman with one Gonzales says we turn to look at how monuments, racist colonizers and confederates continue to fall across the United States and around world. Was Saint. Paul Minnesota last Wednesday when activists with the American Indian movement tied a rope around a statue of fifteen century colonizer Christopher Columbus and pulled it from its pedestal on the state capitol grounds. The members then held ceremony over the fallen monument. This comes as workers in Frankfort Kentucky removed a statue of confederate president. Jefferson Davis from the State Capitol Building House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is joined other lawmakers demanding the removal of eleven confederate statues from the National Statuary Hall in the capital President Trump said he will not even consider renaming US army bases named after confederate military officers are ten such bases. All of them in southern states trump tweeted quote, these monumental and And very powerful basis, and become part of a great American heritage, and the history of winning victory and Freedom Unquote trump's tweet contradicts defense secretary Marquess, spurring Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman General Mark, Milley, who suggested they're open to a discussion about renaming the basis. Meanwhile, NASCAR has banned displays of confederate flags from its events where the white supremacists symbol has long been a fixture. All of this comes as police now but. But Kirke New Mexico detained several members of an armed right wing militia after a protester who was shot on Monday. The protesters been hospitalized in critical condition. The shooting occurred as protesters tried to topple a statue of one day on yet day a Spanish conqueror who massacred native Americans, four hundred years ago earlier in the day, another of his statues was removed in another part of New Mexico. For more we're joined by. By someone who has inspired many of those who are taking action today it was five years ago in two thousand fifteen, when the massacre of nine African American churchgoers by Dylann roof, who embrace the confederate flag renewed protests to remove the flag from the State Capitol Grounds in south, Carolina. The state lawmakers there had agreed to debate removing the flag, but early on a Saturday morning after the huge memorial service for the. Americans who were murdered an African. American woman, named Newsom, equipped with a helmet and climbing gear, scaled the thirty foot flagpole on the capitol grounds unhooked the confederate flag, and said you come against me with hatred and oppression and violence i. come against you in the name of God. This flag comes down today. Take a listen. When Bree newsome reach the ground? She was arrested. That was South Carolina five years ago and we go now to Raleigh North Carolina where we're joined by bree new some vast now, an artist and anti-racist activists housing rights advocate in particular breed. It's great to have you back on democracy now. We were in your jail when you were arraigned with your fellow activists that day when you pull down, that flagged day after President Obama was there in Charleston, singing amazing grace, and thousands gathered to honor those killed mother Emmanuel Church. Can you talk about your action? Then you arrested. The flag was put right back up, but now what has happened today? Yes absolutely. Thank you so much for for having me back. I so appreciate everything that you all do with this show. Yes, so for me I think for a lot of people at that time in two thousand fifteen, not only was it obviously a fence and shocking and horrific to witness the events that happened in Charleston, but it was also offensive to see so much attention focused be given to the confederate flag that had been there on display at the capitol grounds in South Carolina since the sixties. It was like one of these. Symbols of the confederacy that was placed during the civil rights movement to really send a message at the time that the state that the powers that be in South Carolina were opposed to the civil rights movement in the year two thousand, they reached a compromise where they move the flag from the Dome of the Capitol so the lawn where it was at the time that. That I took it down and at that point they wrote into law. The flag couldn't be lowered for any reason unless there was a two thirds approval in the State House I mean making it virtually impossible, so then we got to that situation in two thousand fifteen. We've had this horrific. You know racially motivated killing in Charleston. We had this moment of the pastor of. Of Emmanuel Ame Clement Pekny. He had his casket process through the streets of Columbia because he was also a state senator, and they lowered the United States. Flag they lowered the state flag of south. Carolina, but not the confederate flag, and just the fact that there was a refusal to even show the slightest bit of regard for the black lives that were lost their at. At Emmanuel, Ame just illuminated everything that we had been saying it to that point about the valuing of property over black life, the fact that there's like so little regard given to this history of violence and given to the realities of racism that we are experiencing today, and so it was in that spirit that I committed this act of civil disobedience. This deliberately defying. Basically the white power structure and the powers that be that say that the status quo of racism is acceptable to the point that we would just leave this this symbol of terrorism on display, even the aftermath of what had happened. And Breed! Could you have imagined five years ago? What the the movement that is now sweeping, really not just the United States but the world in terms of challenging the existing of. Mythical figures an of course. You've mentioned that you're inspired by. The roads must fall campaign at the University of Cape Town, but also now we're seeing throughout the industrialized world whether it's the campaign against see so roles King Leopold in Belgium. The symbols of the confederacy, and the and the the the forts, all the US forts named after confederate generals. Did you your response to what you're seeing as his vast movement that has now developed in the last few weeks? I just think it's incredible and I am I'm certainly proud to be a part of it I consider myself a stepping into a movement that existed long before I got here and I wouldn't be here. I wouldn't have done what I did in two thousand fifteen if I didn't believe. I didn't believe in the power of the people to work together and transform the world, so the things that I'm seeing now I mean. That's what I fight for I think that's what everyone who? Participates takes action in social justice. Movement that is, that is what we're fighting for, and that's what we believe. I think it reflects around the world and impatience with the pace of Incremental Progress I. Think People Want Transformational Change I think people are tired of centuries of colonialism and white supremacist ideology. As I mentioned before I think the taking down of monuments, and symbolically specifically is also about challenging this idea that white property in state property is more valuable than our. Our lives I mean that was really the ideology that informed colonialism that it's okay to exploit people and lands for profit, because profit property is worth more than lives and natural resources, and so this groundswell that we're seeing now around the world is really about rejecting that in about calling for a greater sense of humanity, a greater sense of human citizenship, a call for for dignity, and for a better future and a rejection of that kind of ideology of the past. I want to ask you following up on what one asked about the renaming of the ten army installations that are named after commanders in the confederate Army Ford against US troops during the civil war to preserve. Slavery The Washington Post writes quote Fort Benning Georgia the home of army, infantry and airborne training named after Brigadier. General Henry Bunning who led troops and Antietam and Gettysburg in remarks in eighteen, sixty, one laying out slavery is. Is the reason for secession. Denning warned that abolition would lead to black governors black legislatures. Black jury's black everything. Is it to be supposed that the white race will stand for that? He asked in the Atlantic, retired general and former CIA director David portray US cold, bending quotes such an enthusiast for slavery that early eighteen, forty ninety argued for the dissolution of the Union in the formation of a southern slave accuracy meanwhile. Fort Hood in Texas is named for the confederate General John Bell Hood who wrote a letter to Union General William Sherman in eighteen, sixty four that described his conviction that quote knee rose were an inferior race. He wrote you came into our country with your army, avowedly for the purpose of subjugating free white men, women and children, and not only intend to rule over them, but you make negroes your allies in desire to place over us an inferior race, which we have raised from barbarism to its present position, which is the highest ever attained by that race in any country in old time again. That's General Hood. And it goes on from there. These are the men that president trump is now defending over his. Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and defense sectors saying we should have a discussion about this one general after another saying, these names should be removed from these bases on if you could respond to what they represent of course, president trump started his business career with his father, being sued by the US government for not allowing African Americans into his housing. Developments in Queens. Yes so I, think it's important to to recognize at name, the ideology of white supremacy which is exactly what that quote that you read articulates this idea that the quote unquote white race is the superior race, and that all other people have been elevated into civilization as a as a as a byproduct of colonialism and slavery right? And then I think there also needs to be an acknowledgement of how mainstream white supremacist ideology is so if we're going to really have this process of removing symbols of renaming things, I want us to also be careful that we don't just engage in this surface level. Way of going about it right where we just simply change the names we don't address the the ideology. Military Basis for instance of course are a major. Part of United States imperialism united. States imperialism is very much informed by white supremacist ideology, so when trump is. Making this claim that he will never change the confederate. The names of the base that are named after confederates and people are saying that outrageous. I think yes, of course it is outrageous, but we also need to examine. Why was it named after a confederate to begin with I mean that clearly indicates how main stream the ideology of the confederacy continued to be and continues to be in the United States of America that. that. We're still having this debate in twenty twenty, and then secondly like I said, we need to make sure that we are also examining what exactly is white supremacist ideology because the confederacy was half of the United? States and I think Bert. There tends to be this narrative around the south, being uniquely racist. It is only the south that benefited and profited from slavery. It is only the south that continues to uphold. White Supremacist ideology this most recent. Spate of police killings and a lot of the uprisings, these are happening all over the nation. Many of these places are happened. Many of these uprisings are happening in cities where the leadership is black now and we even have like black police chiefs and black mayors, so we have to dig deeper and really understanding what it means to up route and root out white supremacist ideology, as we go through this process of renaming things and changing symbols. And bring us more heading. Obviously toward a presidential election in November, you've suggested that the this year could be the most significant elections since the civil war. Could you explain a why and what are your concerns about the election? Absolutely I do think that this is the most consequential election since the civil war because I think it's. It's really addressing the same issues, right? We had the election of the nation's first black president followed by the election of an overt white supremacist, who who pretty much ran on a platform of trying to undo the black presidency and ran on a platform of catering to everyone who who felt anxiety. Around the the idea of the changing demographics of America the idea that America could really be a multiracial democracy, and that is essentially what not just this election, but this moment is about because one of the concerns. That I have is whether or not we can even have an election. We'll be able to have an election. Will it be free and fair and secure? Secure. Are we certain that the trump administration will vacate office? Vacate the White House! Vacate these offices if we vote them out because what we see on the opposite side, what we see in terms of what trump represents as a movement is very much a white supremacy white nationalism. This belief that America was made for white people should only be for white people. And they really see this as a do or die moment and I think it's important for everyone else to recognize that that is what is at stake. We've already seen armed white militiamen storming capitals in America. At the same time that we see the trump administration, cindy being. People without clear insignia. Troops that are that are armed and are not clearly designated out to the streets in DC to face off with anti police brutality protesters, so we really need to recognize what is at stake in this moment in terms of facing off both authoritarianism, fascism and white national, and before we end one, we just have thirty seconds, but I was wondering if you could comment on the taking down of the statue of Frank. Rizzo the former police chief and mayor of Philadelphia after it was defaced by protesters. Yes amiable. That was a long time coming Frank Rizzo was probably the most racist and most overtly fascist political leader in the modern history of of the north of the United States. And I lived in Philadelphia. During his period of time as mayor, he personally led police charges what he was commissioner, attacking black citizens, and his police systematically terrorized the black community. So this Rizzo statutes come down is a real step forward and rewriting the history of Philadelphia well. We want to thank for Newson, Bass, for being with US artists anti-racists activists on housing rights advocate. I'm Amy Goodman with Juan, Gonzalez thanks so much for joining us stay safe.

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The Secret To Happiness

Food for Thought

57:32 min | 3 months ago

The Secret To Happiness

"Hello and thank you so much for tuning into this. Week's food for thought a podcast. That's on a mission to you. All with the evidence based advice that you need to live and breathe a healthy lifestyle. I'm rhiannon lambert registered nutritionist. Author of rena rush simple way to eat well and founded rechristen london leading private nutrition clinic in each of the twelve. I'll be joined by guests. All of whom are experts in their field. So that together we can learn fact from fiction and empower the healthiest and happiest versions of ourselves with trusted expert advice whether we like it or not. Our brain is constantly thinking influencing our every choice now as we begin to take more responsibility and travel far beyond our front doors which we haven't done in quite a while finding our a happy balance in the steps that we will now take maybe potentially challenging this week's food thoughts mind movement mental richie noten and i explore how we can all tap into the power of positive and transform the way that we think and feel helaire ritchie. Hello the i'm very well. Thank you before we jump straight in so important. Isn't it to discuss. The fact that i think healthy is not always happy and we were chatting just before we went on air about the challenges of business. The things that we have to do and happiness sometimes doesn't come visit when you work on your plate the same way it's important try and find that balance between can play and do things that make you happy and follow your heart. Follow your dreams and follow your passion but sometimes you just have to dig in and an work through the obstacles and challenges that inevitable rarely but i feel that's where the rewards come right and then when you get to enjoy some peace and quiet. I'm find that moment of happiness. It feels like it's been earned and you can enjoy it so much more i. It's so true it's true. It's the way that you mindset with the way you look at the question itself i guess and how you answer baton that there's a lot that i think needs to be done as well on the perception old. I guess what success is because it will look different. Need to everyone yeah. It's interesting one on packing that because success come across various different mentos and incredible teachers in my time of delivered. I in different ways and the underlying consistency seems to be making sure you'll able to live the life you want to live so it's different levels of i. Happiness and success are for me. Paul of success all the journey to successes is being close to nature for example something super simple being able to wake him in the countryside. Feel like i'm successful because of achieve that even though it's not everything i i want from this life and i want to achieve it still step in the right direction. At least i'm. I'm putting the building blocks in in various different levels of many successes in little wins. I feel like i'm at least making progress. Even though it feels like sometimes it's is taking some time i feel. We need to celebrate those little moments of success. And i feel like he comes. They changes as as the world opens up to 'em we explore new hobbies or passions and follow our heart and go after the things we really want to achieve and yeah. It's interesting one that one. I think we can impact for probably a whole episode. But i do really feel. It's important to have people recognize it. Needs to be seen as a journey and something. I don't think i've ever really ends the foundation for me is is making sure you're living the life you want to live you know. How can you be successful if you're not doing what you want to do right. If you're a certain things we've gotta deal on the way. The aren't always dream role or dream existence. But as long as i feel your work in the right direction it's something you can put the right energy into. That's that's so true. It's almost like having element of realism or just the having expectations that match. What is realistic. I think as well and celebrating the small wins like he said you know. You'll you'll grateful waking up in the countryside and would you say that this sort of way of celebrating you celebrate small wins but is it possible to do that individually or do you perhaps need somebody else to acknowledge a small win with you. Do you think as human beings. We need that contact to be able to acknowledge success. Interesting one i personally would say no. Because i feel like i mean. Don't get me wrong. it's nice for someone to like a the experience with you and to share these experiences with you. My personal journey has been a lot of. It's been a solo admission. I i went out on my own. To china achieve different things that i was drawn to and felt compelled to follow through with and there were times where i'd be on my own traveling and working on projects and digging deep and learning new things. I didn't have anybody to share it with so for me. It was the the momentum and the drive to keep going when things even hard and challenging. It didn't quite. I guess unfold as i wanted them to. I had to do the self talk. I had to lighten height myself up to wake up the next day even earlier to try again. I feel. there's a lot of power that comes with that. And i feel that sometimes the mini wins that you celebrate for yourself because you you you appreciate how far we've come really satisfying because you're building your life. You your ukraine happiness for you. You don't need anyone else to make you happy. We should all try and find these things in our own existence. So i feel it works both ways. I think important recognized that it takes work and we have to dig deep in situations where it can be quite often challenging and no a clear path but when we find people that support what we're doing and compliment what we're doing and have your back in. Celebrate things with you. It makes even more epic but there are times when most of the time where we just have to keep moving forward and just accepting where things need to change and now make sure when we see the hardware that's going in. There is stepping in the right direction. I really really liked that answer. And i do think that accepting that we need to find happiness within ourselves and This is this is not my my words lime from somebody else. He hit on the poco lost and she said that happiness is not a state were meant to be in permanent they. You know it comes and it goes and it's acknowledging the fact that it it will appear sometimes and oftentimes embracing always feel that way. Because i think a hopes in experiences they can be short-lived. So what why. I think that is and how do we change our mindset towards this way of living interesting one so all i can pretty reference against in is my my view and opinion and experience in this and i'm always up as much from the outside looking in on my social media. You might thing. Yeah this guy's got it all figured out. He's living his best life every day. There are definitely times where i'm cool off god. I couldn't plan for the thing that happened. It can it. Can you not you down a few pegs. Low of vibration as i would say it can be hard to pick yourself back up and i find in those moments rav than not control me dominate. My mind said leave me in that negative space that had space soul. I guess steady off the positive path. I was on. Its it's by accepting that that's going to happen. And i really believe that the obstacles when they presented to you and challenges emotions were life relationships. It's going to happen. That's that's paul journey so rav than let it completely derail your journey and this is path that you're on. Why not look at the things that you could learn from that situation to become more resilient to prepare a bit better next time to be more compassionate to be more than a standing to be more grateful so for me. That was never my childhood. It's happened in my adult life going through this this process of becoming a coach and a teacher and looking for people. The i mean spied and seen how they've done things and then trying to apply in my own way and that way when things do happen they still do a little bit more prepared so my mindset is kind of understanding less reactive and more calmly responsive where i just kind of absorb what's going on and then i guess taking some time out to to understand what the next best abso- not way in never completely Shaken off the path that you are on just made mean that you have to divert your energy somewhere else temporarily. I guess that's why these tools that you hate me talk about also key because they work in in all sorts of different situations. Yeah and i mean do you think it comes with doesn't element that you described. That comes with age then the ability to absorb it. Because i d felt when we all young. I know i'm not of the elderly age yet. So i'm not gonna pretend i'm a. I'm an old knowing person. I really am. Not but i do feel a difference between my thirties and twenties. And i'm sure when i'm forty i'll say the save fifty outside the same. Perhaps there is none of age that enables you to think that way. Yes so when when i think about being wise that wise old level i think it's only natural that you pick up lessons and and learn things as you go through life. They're all incredibly intelligent. And wise young human beings out there these days and i guess there always has been but i think it's important to look at you know you're only going to improve if you keep your eyes open and your you're always looking to improve yourself and not never really ends. You hopefully pick up these skills and experiences ally to take on life. Yeah i love him more prepared so so for me no more. I was just ten years ago. It's almost even recognize who. I am today because i went deeper into trying to understand what life was about what my purpose was and you know johnston will. I want to do with my time. Realizing how precious it is and that calls me to take more mature mindset and a more and take more responsibility for myself rather than rely on anybody anything to fix anything for me or do the work for me on. I guess the the wisdom comes in accepting that that's on me and taking positive power from that realization so allows you to apply yourself be a kind human being to others unto yourself and then you're always kinda like i'm always looking for. Elderly people have got lots of great stories and interesting lives to see what other people have experienced to see. What the take away from them. And i think you have that learning mindset and you have the understanding and humble approach to life you can learn from so many different things and i think that's a really nice way to look at things because you never know when life makes my take little. Turn or your your focus might shift. I think it's great to embrace age and wisdom maturity because if you all know open your eyes and you're is you're gonna learn a lot of great things that will carry in good stead. I believe yeah. The key word is being there. I think i think we're not really total Encouraged i think actively anymore to be open to those wisdom's and to want to seek out the life experiences of others in that way perhaps with so focused on achieving milestones and is now at school. It's getting three exams. And then there's a challenge after that and it's almost like it set out by society what we shouldn't shouldn't be striving for and we forget about. Perhaps the not true cyclic process of of life. Where women to be embracing each generation for their different experiences. So how can we get the balance. Between i guess a short term and long term gratifying experience. I'm sure you're that type of thing a lot. But they're very different. I think yeah. I think from my perspective. It's it's about being less pressured by external forces and being pushed or forced by all the people's expectations and with with the well being you know faster than ever and competitive to achieve things or live your best life for you know. Make this this amount of money or whatever your expectations of yourself feel is expected of you feel that can really cloud tapping into what we actually really want to do. The time that we have find a lot of people position themselves or follow these past. Because that's what they think they should do or the people been successful with and we miss out doing the things that really would bring his joyal brings happiness and feel more fulfilled and not have any regrets. And i've been that person. Yeah but i feel that you know the little things often get missed. And the little things can be the real keying you maintain that feeling of contentment and fulfillment and achieved for lychee having a roof over your head or having good friends around. You could have a loving family or now being able to pay your bills and go on holidays a lot of little things that some take for granted and i feel that there's a lot of really great opportunities to feel more grounded in really grateful for the little things. Make the bigger achievements even epic. Or and i feel again from my experience in the clients that i have a lot of the time. It's that stressed. Because of all of the expectations they have for themselves and trying to impress others that they don't even really like or care about looking for that gratification from others shall we awful. You know you sit in friend circles rob than going and following your passion and your dream being willing to make a shift and change your environment. Because i i did that myself. I moved to australia after being london for ten years. Baked me this massive move. Move up probably changed. Well it did change my life. I'm not saying evidence to australia. But i put myself in a position in a job in london after my rugby career ended and i thought it just all about making money was made the money but then i would probably more unhappy than ever walls because i was ignoring the underlying feeling the gut feeling i wanted something different and i feel like sometimes when we step out of a comfort zone like that because we do follow our or we. We follow that gut instinct to like try. Something different explosives different can just open up a whole new world view. That you know can can lead to some really incredible places. And i think you can't force that mind so from what's so interesting about everything you've said that i think it takes a degree of mental strength for clarification to know that you need to take a step back that you need to practice gratitude own. These things would enhance your life. Because they're not skills that were taught to do and it takes a certain kind of individual to do that and i think it could benefit so many of us the practice of gratitude I myself could definitely take a look from what you're saying right now and remember to implement i think we get so wrapped up in our day to day lives that being kind to us as well as it becomes extremely difficult. I mean what what would you say to any client that you had the isn't being kind to themselves. How would you encourage somebody to take a step back and say look think about these things. Are there any practices. They can do with journaling. Be something you'd recommend. Yes so. I mean without shamelessly talking about the book. I've never really releasing right now. I mean this book is is. You know what i like to feel is. Is that workbook of all. These great healthy practices. The i've i've learned over the last ten years. Well since guess since childhood book you know. Gratitude isn't And breathing in the movement is in their nature. Time is in the what you put your body food. Wise nutrition the sleep or these things like nurturing for your soul your overall wellbeing. That might just be that moment where you get to go. I was a little bit stressed and wound up overwhelmed on an even give myself a second to even realize and. I wonder why that was why feeling the way i was feeling. So they'll all the time people say people as the human race daily all of the albums that we face in the world or these issues they cannot be overcome it because we try and fix all of these things not is that we wish were better. All we won't to change career wanna change relationship. Maybe we want a different relationship. Maybe we want to make more money. Maybe wanna lose weight all of these things that can toll mentos can be really painful and emotional rollercoaster point that maybe we just need to work on ourselves and our attitude and mindset and go health and how the way we breathe. How much time are we get outdoors to destroy stress your system to find more space and get more clarity with actually what's coming up for you. Ravening knowing the signs so we need to find more time to create that little bit of space to be able to get clarity to make bad decisions to be kind to ourselves to be more understanding towards others an all of these things are free in just a case of just be more aware of these tools being available to you knowing. That doesn't take take much time to just take a moment to rethink where your energies being going today. How do you feel. How's your day going. What's coming up for you. What's on your mind now. How's your head space in all of these things you ask yourself right. I self awareness. I can't really knowing and that's something that we all lose. I guess as a child. It's so interesting my son is now fourteen months. He's extremely self away. He will cry when he wants something as we age. We just lose everything. Your book tells us we need to do it psych. We were programmed. Somehow i think we've done something wrong as the human race because we seem to program ourselves out of outfit. I know in the clinic from my nutrition experience. We lose how to eat intuitively which we do wonderfully when we are children. A perhaps it's the added anxiety and stress of adulthood. Do you think that that creates a lot of these problems being self aware that we just can't do it we don't do it. S an interesting one. I'm not sure all the answers for that. Now i i love would love to know all the answers and would have to say exactly what it is but you know i only can talk from my own experience and obviously the the people that i get to work with what seems to be consistent. Is we create these lives and time obviously state from our childhood and who was surrounded by parents and a upbringing is and the people the friends that we have and the things that were exposed to the things that we hear the things that we see our city we could now say social media for example is one big space were bombarded with all sorts of different lives and experiences and expectations and what life could be like and should be like and you know on and on and i feel. We just need to take a moment. Sometimes when we're in that space where we feel overwhelmed. We feel that we aren't quite where we want to be. Or you kind of take a moment to find a little bit of space in your thoughts and then realize you are in control of how you respondents it everything anything you read everything you see everything you hear. You have a choice as an adult or anyone. Even whatever a all to respond. Anyway you want. Obviously you sit and people can be more sensitive than others and some of the hard tough skins and they can just brush off anything but deep down with these living breathing incredible human beings that have a choice to behave and respond and act any way we want look. Staying healthy isn't easy watching your diet hitting the gym avoiding stress. But a good night's rest helps boost your overall health and wellness and it couldn't be easier. The new sleep number three sixty four is the only man. That effortlessly adjusts in response to both the result. You wake up ready for anything. Proven quality sleep is life changing sleep. Don't miss our weekend special. The new queen sleep number. Three sixty to swap at is only eight ninety. Nine bus free premium delivery. We've had a base monday to learn more go. Speak number dot com. So it's just a case of. I think that realization that you can be manipulated by other people and other things. But it's still your choice to be manipulated unto react and to let things control you so going back to you know the tools that have helped me through the situations where i've felt like really like lost all in heavy head space than those headphones. The dominated my my younger years. It's things like accepting in the. I'm in control of my own life as an adult. I get to choose where. I go who i spend my time with where i live. Focus on where. I spend my time on. That is why. I've been able to work on the yoga practice when i found yoga those years ago. It was like oh my god realization to know that my body doesn't have to be tense breeding a certain way that helps me calm down and be less angry and like emotionally overwhelmed and then also then prioritizing sleep knowing how as and when you can of asli you'll know about that with a young kid. He doesn't always work out while you get lots of lovely sleep but yeah it helps though. It makes a hell of a difference when you do the sleeper. Ever for everything. You've said we have a choice. It's such a simple thing to say. But so groundbreaking isn't it. It's it's like this blatantly obvious things staring all of us in the face yet. We we just lose that perspective. I think maybe where we live in hierarchy society where there are external factors that we think we can't control. I call work based environment or perhaps somebody's bosses telling them they do something whereas actually we do have a choice and we. We can't speak up and say things like you've sad just taking control of knowing you have a choice and then trying to focus on the other elements like you mentioned your book the sleep in the nutrition and movement which was life changing for you as well. I think it would be for a lot of people i think. Just acknowledging or learning how to breathe die from typically would be life changing for so many people they need a kind of Oh like a prompt. A bit of a m a push from your experience that what would be the best way to start implementing these positive changes. What would you start with us if a client to sang right. I wanted to everything in your book. What would you say would be first so that position this and presented with more context so we all want the. There's always things that we wish we could change in some way or you know have more of in our lives. We don't to name those things up. We all kind of have those on various levels. So when i have a client come to me or pretty much. Majority clients want to fix this. I'm not happy with that. We'd like to work on that you know about that. It's like so overwhelming is like nothing ever really get stolen. That's why a lot of people don't get to where he wants to be because they try and fix everything all in one go or they're trying to do things that they do not have the time to do too much of a shift from where they are right now so the main thing there is looking at the first things are priority to you that you feel all the biggest obstacle or the biggest challenge you face and looking at what the next step is in the right direction and that can just be one thing Just to know that you're making progress that you'll work on yourself you're one step closer to resolving that thing all creating that new life and a lot of time because people think it takes a lot time to do this the reason the book has been created in a way where we have these four pillars that. I feel always a cornerstone of anybody. I'm working with breathing movement nutrition and sleep so in every single one of those full elements in this book. There is an exercise in. That will take a minute five minutes of your time. Who doesn't have five minutes really when you it like that. We all do you all. Do go exactly. There is no excuse so even easier. Robin will all four of them. Why not just pick one in that moment practice and i i'd always say his breath because right now breathing right already. We have to breathe but a lot of time. One of the key things off is missed is our breathing is obviously a lifeline but it controls our energy. Our emotions can be manipulated by our breath. Performance mindset mood so in split second that you realize you want to create shift. Take a breath in and out slow. Oh can be instant if you look enough but that might just give you a little bit of space on a little bit less. I guess mental fog to make a decision in that moment rather than react on make decision you might regret. Decisions are crucial. They is we have to be self aware of them. Know that in a moment where we just catch all breath to make a bad decision or to decided not moment to get up. Leave my phone alone. Stop looking at social media and going find some time outside to move in nature or eat something healthy when i could be looking all these snacks in my fridge. Maybe it's that moment. Where i should probably get rid of those things and i'm gonna choose to make a bad decision for lunch or rather than watch. Tv and be on my phone so midnight. I'm an eternal that technology off. I'm going to choose to focus on getting a better night's sleep and then knowing next day. Wow that worked and then you have the power back. Yeah i have to say when you say it out loud of course it is. It does sound so simple but it's true. I found last night myself. I was exhausted all we. I thought you want just gonna go to bed at nine o'clock and then just i did. My son was asleep and sure enough. He had an early wake-up which i knew he would. It was six fifty my cups morning. But at least at canterbury and i felt a million times that i had my eleven pm. Which is my usual laptop late night works so we can occasionally kinda everyday pick one of those aspects because it may not be possible for somebody to pick the sleep one night so let's work on the other pillar. It is definitely possible to do one of those at any point in time. Now a d. Want to go into breath. Work a little bit more. Because i i know singer emma previous life. How important is but. I don't think i even understood back then. The benefits was reaping from learning how to implement breathing technique into my daily life. So do you want to explain to everybody. What it does and why it can instantly com. Yeah so i was also that person. I played rugby for most of my younger years. And never once did. I pay attention to my breathing. Lifted lots of weights. I lost of food and trained a lot. I was missing one of the biggest pieces of the puzzle. And what i realized as i a little bit older and unwise zor and start to look deeper into what was causing my injury. I was so anxious and stressed and why my body wasn't recovering. Why wasn't sleeping very well. I wanna have these mood swings. I was exposed to breed an exercise. That was simply observe your breath in reading. Hold your breath. That's all breed out nice and slow than hold your breath from the bottom and then repeat that ten times on a no taste my heart rate drop. I noticed my energy levels calmed. And i felt just this this moment of like complete clarity and also blown away just breathing. That way would make such a difference in just the space of five minutes and you know to go behind the mechanics of all we. We breathe all day anyway. We have to book when we're breathing without any guidance. Oh any of the difference between a certain breeding cycle a lot. The time it means breeding dysfunction. I'm breathing dysfunction with people. That might be listening right now. They might be hunched over shoulders rounded chest cavity closed down so the lungs on even breathing aren't really taken as much oxygen as they can much air and then also squashing their belly in that position over laptops on their phone so the diaphragm down in the on the in the belly. Which is the primary breathing. Muscle isn't Isn't even sorry able to do its job. So that's the first thing you know positioning when you're breathing a game changing when you sit upright and your shoulders go back and you can take that forward deeper belly breath. And then there's also the element of using oxygen that you're breathing in efficiently. If you breathe show shallow like for example in and out of your mouth into your upper chest. It tends to be feeding into that stress response. And where breeding out. Our oxygen robin absorb into all of ourselves where it's needed so absolute game changer. When someone explained that to me whereas most was a walking around completely oblivious so for example right now if you a for your mouth in and out of the mouth is likely you're breathe into your chest. Your mouth is dry. You're more prone to snoring and amongst many other issues whereas if a series i learned to breathe through my nose not only was. I feel more calm. I was able to use my die from a lot. Better take deep portfolio breaths in an also have my nervous system stay in more of a relaxed state but these things meet the practice practice consciously through breathing exercises day today and letting to breathe on knows when we catch ourselves throughout all day. Were more likely to be able to utilize the benefits of it when we're need most so subconsciously and we're sleeping unsown and so on so. That would be mindfulness. Form of meditation if we practice it and i think that's where you've mentioned. Obviously breathing does tap into that power sympathetic nervous system instantly half that relaxing poverty. It does take practice. It is the amount of people and the you will ask to take a deep breath in said the shoulders will go up the not breathing through that die from. It's actually quite difficult to try. And focus on your ribcage coming out and visualizing. I used to him singing lessons. It would be a balloon. That's right down in the die from area but it's really difficult to do and it does sound simple breathing but once you nail. The technique is life changing and a lot of people. Think i can't meditate. And i was one of those people richie. I was terrible too busy to meditate on scientists already to meditate that kind of nonsense attitude. Actually my deep breathing every day my form of meditation. And what would you say to people with my previous attitude. That meditation is just not possible. What would be your your words to that. So the first thing to report people's mind at rest is meditation tends to be pretty hoffa. Most people don't think he ever really gets really easy. Unless you're among bombs. Sure they have their issues sometimes. But even though i have all these tools to use there are days when i really struggled to sit still because my mind is so busy and stimulated so robin writing it off. I will use forms of breath. Work to improve. My guess ought to get into a place to be able to meditate so meditation is bits about bringing present awareness to the task at hand or the place that you're in completely connected to that moment rather than thoughts running around the head and a emotional massin john to a million different things that same time. Very hard to meditate no situations but what we do need to try and do is trying to find a moment of calm in the situations that we all that. We're gonna face each day so for me. Meditation became easier. When i was able to find. Breath work practices. That allowed me to just turn the volume down my thoughts on be less reactive to situations so not just a mental pause but like a physical release of calm and less anxious overwhelm then. Once breath work practice was gone through for a few minutes. Or whatever time i had sped i could then sit in silence and be okay with that for a moment or i get up and i'd be able to do a walking meditation or just be more mindful of my energy because i just stopped for a moment and found a little bit of stillness and i think that comes in various forms. That people aren't aware of which again in the book is. Why i've broken down my favorite ones. That i feel have been life savings for me a nor my clients especially how you tap into bio mechanics the biochemistry and get people to really understand what's happening. It's really empowering to know that you have that control when you have the ability if you know how to put it into practice. I wish it was scorer. Id fail that coping skills because we're not talk hoping skills. We're not sure how to stress. How stove anxiety how to do with lots of life situations. It would save a lot of people. Almost a form of it would save a lot of self harm. If i'm being honest. I think if we learn from a young age to manage these negative emotions will these natural physiological responses. Which of course tambi important. Stresses is incredibly important. We need to be stressed. But it's we don't need it to be accessible. Chronic and i for one that food becomes a kaiping strategy for many of my clients. A way of Kind of difficult emotions difficult feelings but perhaps we could lessen. The number of people that do Unfortunately experience negative health as a result of stress and anxiety through just simple breath. Work it would. It would be life changing but we do have questions from our listeners. Ritchie for you today. And i'm sure ones that you're very used to facing but i thought they were particularly relevant for this This episode kitty has said. How can i start to get my confidence back going back into an office. You know because of been behind for so long. I just feel like have no confidence. Yeah i can. I can completely relate to that. I had my first experience back in london. Not so long ago to go and decent filming with my fit community and it was. It was very odd. You know i'm. I'm even more isolated in wales where i am and i was a bit nervous to go back into the mix of it and guess from my experience. It's it's about being a little bit less pressured by having an expectations of you again. And taking your time knowing that everybody's in the same place there's a lot of people in exactly the same place as kitty. The going to need some time to adjust but knowing that everyone's kind of been for the same experience and we've all had to adapt confidence to try and reconnect with your i. Guess whether it's your team or will the colleagues or even friends you know because you've been isolated like that. We've all been on this journey where we've had to dig deep some days and we've had a lot of time in our own head and create a different dialogue that we couldn't have foreseen. Confidence comes from being less. Well find work on yourself and not worrying about others so much. I think when we when we were all cells in a positive way by not taking time out a little bit more. Now i've been the lifelines for most of us to get through the last year you know. How have you know you start getting outside. Moore's being really good for your head space of you know a stop drinking too much. Alcohol is not good for your head. Space have you. Have you practiced breathing exercises where you've been able to stay calm in stressful situations so me. Neither one of the next questions was. Is it true that being amongst nature is key to optimal happiness. And i think you said that at the beginning either getting into a new environment be very calming and create happiness. Yes so i think to run into that question as well when it comes to working on yourself and say you know finding some confidence and reintegrating into any situation knowing that the people will probably understand is a nice thing to be aware of and actually share. What's going on you know telling people that you have having this experience. And i guess reaching out. I think an is always into to remind people of don't feel isolated way. Think no one's gonna understand that you might be nervous and you might be struggling and you might need a little pep talk. Because he's very lightly that that person you decide to share with understands completely and all of a sudden that that lack of confidence is is is eased because you are not alone in this and what i find has been a game changer for me is actually saying that to people and i did say that to people that i came across. Wow i'm really weighed being around people again so used to my own company. Yeah i have very strange how to make small talk radio. That's it. i've lost my time. At least you've got a little one to chat with probably cut as much as they want more fiber that it's not quite say So i think it's really important for people to not feel like the isolated. And i think confidence with reintegrating back into society and taking care of yourself is a really good place star on a fine if you if you share these experiences and suggest going for walks in nature of your colleagues and spending more time connecting because we've all been disconnected what we want to try and do now is reconnect in as many ways as we can to rebuild these social connections and break down the official barriers. That have come up for people that have cooled shine on this day in a huge and i want to get this question in with works. I think it fits what you're saying Genus said. My boyfriend is so negative. And she says she said it's such a downer should i. she's she rich. And should i get rid of keep trying to support him. I mean i can laugh at it because it is quite quite out there gina but i think a lot of people is struggling. Aren't they rich. Have relationship dynamics time. I'm actually quite glad this questions come up. I liked these real. Actually you know. I love it because unlike to get rid of it for me what comes up there is because i know i've been in a situation where i've been with a partner that has been negative and i've blame myself for being part of the problem. Oh you question things and you wouldn't. Is it better the side of this. Or should i just try and work on and try and figure out for myself or should i get rid. Should i move on. Or i think some even things that come up in relationships especially when you so isolated and living with each other under each of this fee and you don't get as much space as you normally would do to do your own stuff. This has been a catalyst for a lot of relationship issues during the last year. And i know about this. Because i've actually been asked a lot about this with clients that i've also had of different struggles so from my point of view. It's about communication. I feel if you go through every avenue to communicate with the other person and share your opinion on your views on your feelings. And you're completely transparent in elvis. Calm why there's a very different way to say this and to bring these things up in an angry intense way energy meets energy so it's very hard to have a calm conversation talking about these issues concerns about that person be negative and understand if you can be of any help now. What is caused needs to be this way or is there anything i can help you with or i understand that it's it's it's know without knowing anyone's personal life and being support network for that person to be able to allow them to share and to communicate with you and sometimes that can really help but on the flip side in case you just need to get rid if that person is not wanting to be helped and it is bringing your energy down on. You've done everything possibly can to be of service onto b-be a positive energy and to be supportive and understanding and shed the way it's making you feel and this isn't just about negativity. What the biggest shift mount. My personal experience was actually saying. This isn't for me anymore. And i i feel we've come to that point where i would like to live in a different way and a lot of confidence doesn't it. Lotta conference takes a lot of confidence. And i'm not saying it was easy. Taught me a year to say that. I feel we can save ourselves a lot of time by by in the bullet and just accepting is really what we want and not doubting yourself. If you've done everything you possibly can but you do need to have a lot more compassionate understanding with other people right now because there are people struggling not knowing how to deal with it. And i just feel like just being out to share and communicate and be open and honest and respectful is a really good place to start. I grab as a good answer and having no regrets. Because if you've done everything you can and you have followed those Communication routes and open those communication pathways with one another. Then then. Hopefully you will get to get to the bottom of it. But i think we've got time for questions that they were really good ones. Actually i think we march mixer very nice certain ones we can all relate to. That's for sure. So we now move on to a fact or fiction round richie it just to spice things. Are you ready. Okay go hey. We guys have you on the fact of fiction to the following. It's okay to not feel positive. All the time fact it silly to believe that thought shape reality. Ooh ooh it's silly. Do you say yeah. I think it's fiction off probably would have gone. I think i'm sculpted aesthetics will never lead to real happiness fox. Learning from mistakes is more important than avoiding them in the first place. Fox you need to change a lot of factors in your life to become positive fiction. It's normal for people to have a period of depression fox. We should all take supplements to support brain health fiction. Everyone should experience the power of meditation at least once. Yes fax and affirmations works everybody fiction but i like to think facts fifty fifty one and the last one positive thinkers ignore the world's suffering fiction brilliant facto fiction around sipe and it really does get you thinking actually which leads us on to wrapping up the episode and finishing with a food for thought and i think i will finish today on a touching on what richie said by the fact that if you place yourself sometimes out of your comfort zone in a new environment it may initially feel a bit strange but you will probably move. The nightly reap the rewards afterwards because as rich he said it's celebrating the small winds. I loved. I loved that you said the actually. I'm just being in the countryside. Getting off your phone sometimes and being able to even see a bird flying in the sky it little things like that. That are quite humbling. Actually and knowing the working on yourself she difficult but very worthwhile and something. I think we will need to be more aware of all cells and put rich if you can leave our listeners. Today with a take home message Feed for ford. What would that be. I would try and simplify potentially huge answer but these things for would people to go away and think about. I think the key thing is remember that wherever wherever you are in your world in your life today right this moment and anything that might be bothering you or anything that you see is a challenge obstacle. You might be facing or this june. You're on that you're finding hard work or challenging thing about what the first or the next step you can take the next move. You can make the action. You can take decision you can make to just get one step. Closer to m- overcoming obstacle all. Should i say what's the one thing that can be that little win that you can celebrate today and to simplify the even moyes of the u pick up. My book today could quite easily director something that would help. But yes if you think about we over complicate things so much and wind up. Sometimes they deflated and overwhelmed and not feel that. We're making any progress on that can be disheartening. So simplify as much as now. Can you just make sure your drink enough war today. Can you decide to go for a walk right now without your phone. Take your shoes off your feet in the grass and look up this guy and just take a moment to slow down your breathing. Maybe it's ryan something down. Plan your day tomorrow. Set an intention for being kind to yourself and to others today on. Make yourself a lovely healthy meal. That you know is going to nourish you from the inside and then treat yourself to an early night all things. We have the power to control and have a huge impact on our overall health wellbeing. Celebrate those things and then repeat tomorrow one. I mean gosh hugely. Impactful words. That from richie and wonderful wonderful. Take him advise. I felt like i could talk to you forever on. I'm so glad we've had this conversation today on. The book is out now. Everybody can head of at to that popular bookstores to get a copy. And thank you for coming on feed for thought if our listeners. Want to learn more about what you do and your wonderful book wack dire at them too. So the the websites Is strength temple. Dot co two e k my social channel ritchie notes in onto school. But really if you want all the magic just come out of my in my mind. Going into my book is called. Lift your vibe and you can get it pretty much anywhere you would normally pick vote from. Can i grab a coffee. Richie you so much. Being such a delight on food for thought today marc pleasure. 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Sajid Javid's in-tray

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Sajid Javid's in-tray

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But first it's calmness panel is must be liberace that's private and which was avesta. What is that. He's been going on in said office Buck the and the justice actually saying he says you won't office swept for cameras. The only one of these questions forty morning seems although looking at matt handcocks office photos. It just pay these pretty obvious cameras in there. First question really Libya's should be cameras administers office. I don't don't see why not really as long as there's no audio that stuff can get our as long as they can't see documents and so on i gather it's habitual for their not to be cameras. I don't know why that camera was left there. This is a bit of a mystery. But you'd think you'd think a grown man would know that if a camera existed and was visible. It was the wrong place to kiss people. Go kiss somewhere else. I was talking to somebody in the village. Today was sort of saying. Don't know why would you kiss anyone in an office. Why don't you go into the woods or somewhere. I it's view it's a view. What's in whitehall i. The problem with the camera is it didn't seem to have been transparently. Shit was there. So i think it's okay to have cameras so as people know that what was strange about this one is it seems to have been placed. Surreptitiously was secret. That's what's very peculiar it. So that's why ministers announced a turtle panic now going round trend with dave feet secretly filmed will this time. Yup i suppose it. It seems as if labour party's responsible of this sort of got off in several directions are on the one they're calling for an investigations into into what's going on with camera is if this sort of concerned about these invasions matt handles policy. While on the other hand also going after him on the clonee ism and the fact that he was his mistress colder. He caught on the books of what came first. Did she job. I did you get the kiss. I also whole argument about now is is private gene council. What's going on in the. Which was the sunday times yesterday. And yet this one of these sort of maybe. It's just such a massive story. Opposition is is essentially relevant in it. But do you think that the labor party for them to be making more high this they just keeping out of it. I think they should make hay out of it. Because i mean it's a horrible thing. I mean apart from being a massive personal betrayal of to spouses and six children both sides. It's a massive betrayal of all the people who kept the rules in somebody put up yesterday next to the picture of his embrace. A picture of the queen's sitting all alone to husband's funeral and the queen alone that funerals a sort of symbol of all the people who have not been able to be near their dying partners or children or newborn grandchildren in a. There's been a massive obedience and the idea that this is all just kind of shrugged off By somebody in power because he can. I think i think that really really matters. And if i live party would be. I would be working on that that breach of rules and so and of course the other technical breach the personal. Email account is disastrous. That should be a second offense anyway. it. It's really hard to see. Why boris johnson thought. He could hang onto him. He just didn't want to throw a bone to comings and throw a bone to the press. He didn't want to lose those battles but he should have moved faster. The is disastrous. Probably the most powerful because some of the government is not come from the opposition at all from trevor phillips stable color on the times cody presenting we on sunday on scully's. Let's take a listen. The pictures that we saw were of an encounter on may the six on may the eleventh barrett bury my daughter who died of covid but during the lockdown three hundred of our family and friends turned up online but most of them were not allowed to be at the graveside even though it was in the open air holds of the rule of thirty because of the instruction by mr and coke. Now the next time one of you tells me what to do in my private life. Explain to me why. I shouldn't just tell you where to get off. Trevor phillips on sky news yesterday. And i have to say brandon lewis is sponsored pretty feeble a single exchange there trevor it basically summing up why so many people have angered exactly. It's heartbreaking let's exchanges in it and you could feel his anger as well as his seora Understandably the problem for the government for boris johnson. In all of this is it. Is that his lippi said of the perception of one rule for them another role for the rest of us or as one of the prime minister's closest allies ahead said Rules of little people. And once you start behaving light that the the thing about boris johnson is people they they know he's a rogue but they think he's a roku is on their side but as soon as you start behaving as if you're above the rules and you can behave different each other people then then that that starts to evaporate and that is very fragile that support for him and so i think that is a very dangerous perception to grow And in terms of the opposition. That's what they need to seize on. It's not the sort of personal Life side of this. It's the hypocrisy and the rules of little people impression caused by the whole thing and that at she applies whether it's too pretty patel not being sacked bullying or the business about the g account or this sort of Lobbying the sense that rules don't apply to those empower the same way. They do to those who want power and libya on our colleague paul before but all these things don't matter until they suddenly do wall matter the sort of yourself. Each individual case doesn't necessarily damage the toys poll writings whatever it might be but you sort of reach a tipping point that you know the the the damn busts and other mixed metals. Yeah i mean if we'd known about the separate account before. I would just have raised eyebrows but i think the massive the massive breach of the covert rules allied to the personal thing. I think it's a mistake always to say private life is private private. Life doesn't matter. I think people do perceive these massive betrayals as quite important you know when we are told apparently authorities that his wife had no idea and thought it was a stable marriage then he had to go home and wake up his eight year old child to tell him that he was off. I mean that. That does matter to voters. I mean maybe some people think he doesn't. Let's be more french but actually it does matter and so the whole thing starts to matter and you just think this is altogether a bit of a scumbag. Go the other thing is what is is your private business would would would work. Were it not for the fact. The government has been interfering. Our private lives of the past fifteen months. That's that's the whole point. Sunny out in life was the government's business. Anyway let's let's move on and talk about your call them because it's probably the only so much we can talk about matt hancock. Let's talk about your collins as libby and shows the pain behind the plow. You've you ford. In love with jeremy clarkson not not quite enough to be none none none of none of that groping that we're used to seeing on the video but the point is i love and revere experts in everything from brain surgery to ditch digging. I i love to see people really are on top of the job but you very rarely get a sense of how difficult and patient it was during the long learning period and all the disappointments in it. Because people say oh. It's my job. I've always done it. And so it's always useful to see people learning to do things and being shown up for not knowing and this has taught us about complications of farming. Or whatever in this case you know just as my husband's farming column did years ago in a much less away in the times and so they used to be shows like that like in at the deep end where there was a big television budget and reporters could learn over months and months and months how to do things and now all you get usually as a sort of celebrity reporters saying ooh that looks difficult. Have go ooh i can't do it. Ooh giggle giggle giggle. And when you see jeremy clarkson who is genuinely screwing things up and having wrong ideas and quietly told by the land agent that actually. That is a reason. Fertilizers can't be stored with flammable goods or being told how to plow by twenty one year old. Who thinks he's doing badly. It's really nice it's nice to do. It's an it's nice to see. And i think he's doing it very well and obviously some of it is some of it is done for effect. Did anyone really expect them to buy an ordinary tractor. No no no it had to be a flash tractor But i think that i enjoyed it. You know as i said. I've always disliked the clocks and personas sort of petrol head off a lot and now i'm kind of coming round. You see. I'm four people under the line in the time. Just say yes. I'm surprised to. I hate to them and now i quite like it. He's he's sort of one health secretary of something. I confess i haven't seen it was seen clips. My heard he was on john. Collins show a couple of weeks ago which i heard and his dad the way he talks about i think probably he even went into it With the sort of clark's persona you know. There's little be a lot of fun and it turned out to be a phenomenal amount of hard work and there was a clip. I saw where we sort of talked about. How all these work working seven days. A week Loads of people you know working more than new to not on the farm to make basically no money often wiped out by some bad weather. Some of these not even within within your control and also i think what i was very very pleased about was that when three of the us which were unproductive and couldn't breed had to go for call. He drove them to the abattoir himself and was filmed there and they filmed him in. The abattoir bit shocked. He couldn't say goodbye because already gone through the process and with dead and most programs like that forget about farming. They really avoid the fact that there is an abattoir in on the animals killed. And i thought okay. Good for amazon. You know because when you're long ago in the bbc came to all our farm just as a sort of a backdrop for something and the interview interview is going. What's the piglets on this week. Do they have names. And i said on another note in the names because they're going for slaughter become talk about that. We can't talk about that. Was that was a little bit of a little bit of almost deal on that clocks and program and you could see that he hated having to drive the use to the abattoir and obviously i think he's going be chelsea show. He said he tried to sell this. Show a few times the bbc and they wouldn't have and it was only when i was in came out later and they literally. He's at the turn of beach. Dangerous film whatever was happening because your plan on a firm. What about you have you seen. Have you seen the show encinas. Although i'm willing to be persuaded have thursday irritated by the idea of the beginning tractor mentioned by the but very funny. It comes across so well. In libya's column isn't a sense of there is a kind of vermont to size view of forming miss kind of fairytale farms disney vacation the of the countryside. Actually farming is hard industry. It's hard work and it involves too brutal tough decisions including death To that is really interesting And to authorize. That was fascinating. So it's not a sort of romantic Fairytale view if it told and of the countryside is just as pretty rural little that people can visit. It's actually a working thing i suppose. That's that's the big actually is one of those things. Maybe maybe the timing of it so well because farming is part of the national conversation right now whether it's sausages getting into northern ireland or trade deals or fair it's part of it's part of the political conversation away the i can't really remember it being for a long time and this whole idea as long as well the clean now is going to have to. Have you know wolves basil sense so from is actually the in a way. That's kind of rich man on which women's version of farming where you can have you can turn the countryside back to the wild and everyone will live as as in ancient times whereas actually foaming is huge task to curate in the countryside in controlling the wilderness. It's not the it says about odes at this idea way. I don't know what libby thinks. I don't know i just think one of the interesting things about the clocks and program and we've just been talking about people not obeying the rules because they think too grand for them. Is that just about four or five times in every episode clocks comes up against something like the fact that his planning permission isn't complete because he's put the wrong kind of roof on his farm shop or that his is waters illegal in a because it scott coliform bacteria in it so he can't sell it Or the you know every all these regulations keep coming up. And he is coming up against them and realizing he's got to obey them. And to watch jeremy clarkson having to obey rules is really. It's very it's nourishing. It's good for the soul. Salsa with this sort of related last ask about it was guarantee from jeremy. Clarkson cars to gouges you. Don't nobody puts the car in the gamage anymore. Apparently fifty three percent of people with allergies so they never put the calls. Because it's too full of as without gouge. Although having whatever when i have to garbage deb was never any question of putting the comedy. That would be madness. What you well. I definitely haven't got to gary garage. Carriage alan partridge matt's show a isn't the point that junk expands to fill the space available. So i have a junk drawer. Always overflowing with social of papers any oj rubbish that comes in january to push. It just goes in this increasingly full junk drawer. Until i kind of have a kitchen survey half the tower or out and then i put floorboards down in the arctic circle. Put junk up there But during the lockdown our kids decided they were going to go around the house selling off junk and they hit look in their first attempt. They smoked to old. Emma ritual two cups for hundred quid. So then they thought they went through selling is all but there is just too much junk and i think we have to be more brutal and ebay as very good idea that last because we have again which we have got a shed and we always been our sunday clearing out the shed putting some taking some the also. I finally yesterday let go of a lot of folks from the sketch scoop that in fifteen years ago exactly if only need some homemade lollipop lady lollipop signs and matting wigs. I'm going to do that. What about you we've just. We've downsized twice in the last twenty years and every time there's a massive amount that has to go and you're always desperate not to put skip because you think oh that's terrible. Somebody might want that so you just put up in the garage and you then you try and persuade somebody to buy it at the the white elephant store on the fate which of course is cancelled because of covid and so he just grows of course neighborhood puts the car in a garage because cars these days modern cars can stand out. You know the terrific new paints and everything else and they don't rust away. People with classic cars put them in garages. But they'll strange people anyway. So i'm not surprised at fifty three percent i think is nonsense. I think it's absolute rubbish. I think i think far more than fifty bucks off russia's a full of complete rubbish. Well they'll be glad to be absolutely clear that's liberty with not mine about people have any advice anything there's ever happen to you on your first day in a job. Just go temp going libby. When i was when i was attempt typist. The first job was always looking in the drawer of the person. I was replacing and reading a copy of women bright and home because there was always leaving to get married well. I'm not sure that that's necessarily what hancock stir left for for such a but right maybe maybe there are some waiting voices that let me pose amway silvester. Don't forget you can read them both in the times every week. Just get yourself. Eight times digital subscription with a special offer your first six months with fifty percent off goto the times dot ca slash. Tom's box up next. What is waiting for sausage javad in his injury. You're listening to the red box podcast. Health secretary is dead long. Live the health secretary sergey javid starting his first full day in the department health this morning. He's been out visiting a hospital as well this morning. And is due to address the house of commons later updating. Mp's on whether or not it's possible to ease restrictions any early july the nineteenth. So what we're going to do so proper. Look at such jeffrey the man and what's really going on in the health and is huge injury that he's got to do with. Let's start with. The times is political. Editor stephen swinton. Hi steve. good morning. I'm out some up three flea first of all. Just what an incredible two three days. We've been through in em- politics. How how significant matt. Hancock park and how significant is such avid survival. It's been extraordinary my i. I've never seen anything quite like it. We've had a health secretary who's had to go literally. He fell in love with someone he decided to leave his family and with the will close to him his school crib because he reached look down in the process. An obscene of weapons scandals in my time. And i've never seen anything like that before. So the whole thing was done and dusted within seventy two hours. And that was it. So we've got a complete regime. Change that help with a very different philosophy in place with the new mound such avid. So let's let's focus on because we've spoken so much of the few days of matt hancock. Let's focus on. The new guy. Mean matt hancock literally a household name because he's been in everyone's households telling what they kind of got doing the households of the past year and a half. The people don't know describe sergey javaid. His background His politics and why his appointment is significant beyond just filling the chair vacated by my ankle he is a proper tori libertarian. That has always been his basis. And he's also very very much influenced by thinking only economy and those things out the lockdown. We've seen him right repeated while he was in on the back benches. He's made the case for easing lockdown restrictions. He's been arguing the damage. The economic damage wrought by lockdown is actually as significant as some of the The public health missed of of keeping the look down the benefits of the lockdown itself. So he very much on that sort of debate and that is gonna come more focused as we get closer to slide on team having someone like him as health secretary is going to mean. She's more likely that all of the restrictions go on july the nineteenth so that is where we are and the other thing is. He's gonna fight to challenge because he's got the same scientific adviser that the same people talking to him on cases. I'm sure you as we're seeing a ticking up as hospitalizations so come the big decision my one will the government really go. Full swat lend release all all restrictions or will be holding back and not remains to be seen. And sometimes what we've seen. Stephen that asked months is that people who are very gung ho about open up The restrictions causing more damage than he's actually the closer they get to the top the closer they get to all the data and the advice is coming particularly from the chief medical officer and sold. I'm actually they. They tend to end up irving born the side of caution. If there's one thing that bothers johnson learned in the past year on the solid cautions no bad thing and he is the ultimate exemplify. He's gone from full ho liberal to someone who suddenly very very cautious and very concerned and is no longer with those lockdown sceptic tory. mp's that one tweets restrictions as soon as possible. So it's a dramatic shift for him so we'll just have to see how it goes besides at the moment all the noises i'm hearing from government. Is they all confident. That restrictions will be lifted. They're increasingly confident. That link between the actual getting corona virus and going and getting serious owners is being broken by the vaccines. But it's one thing to say that now it's another thing. Say that in two weeks time when they have to make that big decision and we'll have to see where he ended up but it does look more likely with someone like him as secretary that they will be needed and it was a fascinating. We had in the paper in the times on saturday. Talking about the prospects of reshuffle at that point matt. Hancock was studying. Post wobbling away. It was quite lucky for boris johnson. That he had some with huge kevin experience for my own second house actually former coach sitting on the back benches in part because of that with dominic coming so it meant. He didn't have to have a board reshuffle. Do you think that the idea of board reshuffle is now on the completely on the backburner given one of the reasons for having potentially bring somebody new and it health so it definitely is on the back burner so before matt hancock when people were telling me the last thing boris yeltsin wants to do is to have a reshuffle ideal for him is to basically long last as long as possible. There are a few reasons for that one is. He doesn't enjoy the conflict. He doesn't enjoy the process of doing a reshuffle. But the bigger point is the as soon as you hope that reshuffle all of the power that you have over people to offer them positions to keep them in positions it goes and with an already very rebellious tory party. It would have made matters much much more difficult for him so the thinking now is to delay and people are talking about automobile but actually some people. It's about next year. He's happy with his team is the moment and he wants to stick with it. Sees thanks so much that let's go to time joining us. Live from the roof of parliament. Were just outside the times office in parliament. Javeed will be appearing in the house later. All this is though is what he had to say as you voice. I died yesterday working on sunday at the department. Healthiest today. we are still in a pandemic. And i want to see that. Come to an end as soon as possible and that will be my most immediate priority to see that we can return to normal as soon as quickly as possible. so i was speaking yesterday The lots of people focusing on the fact that he was talking about return to normal as soon as possible. Was this a a difference between him and matt. Hancock is even more enthusiastic about unlocking as soon as possible. One person who knows such w better than most his former special adviser salman chargers and someone who knows the department of health better than most is paul harrison. A former special adviser. They're our job. Hunt was held. How i pulled morning abbey both with us so first of all salman. Is this It in several different roles is interested in health is sort of gets him up in the morning got ideas. Do you know what a health service run by sausage of. It looks like i do. Think any cabinet minister when they go into their job really knows what they're going to be like in the job and i think a lot of them learn on the job to figure out what they want to do the job when they get that i think the things that are really interesting one of the themes that such wis which goes to in any job that they've been an initial was that question of social mobility equality suit of understanding the masses and particularly if a hey i think because he's He's got quite an engineer. Mind and he's very soon. Problems focused in luck Installations i think those his guiding principles. I'd like fix some of the big issues. So i think waiting lists Social care that kind of stuff. Everybody's talking about that will be sort of top of his in tray. He wants to fix these issues. Pull house from based on your time at the department health. How easy is it going to be fixed. Those issues to the best of times and to be honest because of the way the time has has progressed and how dependent we being on the amazing and they just all done up and down the country. It's even more of an emotional attachment to to the to the issue that the kind of directly overseas so you know social has been the biggest problem with politics fifteen twenty years. Now so yeah. Is he really difficult. But like it's totally fascinating and a brief everyone cares about so you know it will be an enormously rewarding experience for him. I'm sure an older people that are working with. What would you if you if you were going into the department with having you know what would be your advice to psyche. Javale this morning poll. Well i think realistically a number of the things that he's gonna have to take decisions on a movie to at least an extended excited of by else west. I kind of number ten still taking a little bit about the ultimate kind of moment of unlocking and when that happens when it was delayed Freedom diaries denied water guy. It was essentially the right so some of it will be outside is trying to be but there are lots of immediate. Have to take about 'cause spending review this year. So how robust with the treasury. How much money do you think that he'd walk osama says you're gonna do about waiting list because i think that it's going to be the big coming problem. A the administration when it comes to health guy so it. It's those kind of things that he'll need to quite quickly grip on the direction he wants to sat. And then there's other issues is pay. There's an hsa perform the matt. Hancock was joined up a big Piece of legislation. Also replace us simon stevens when he steps down as the head of england is such jaffe to sorta person who's ready to take big Decisions salma always it. We're going to see a lot of things being kitchens along while he tries to work out what he thinks about things. This is interesting. Because you have given all the jobs that scientists had in cabinets and all the things that he's had to experiencing including susa- quite big crises in his career. I think he probably is more likely to bite. The bullet on some of these big issues budge. Your your question of timing is quite an interesting one. Because when do you start doing that. Once you read into stuff won't the pandemic is actually and critically it's what stuff do you actually prioritize. So i actually haven't looked healthcare reform in depth but he he will have obviously different approach to it than the previous health. Secretary say he puts him in priority will do. I think he's going to be something significant to look as far as performance concerned but derek point he had a experienced in this before. I think i think he's quite a reforming type of individual. The problem is he's never had long enough in need to really be able to to show up three because the number of joffe then you've got like a year or the year to hall in each of these places you want to go back into government with selma my time of day in government and pull you surprised because there was speculation. The old boss. Jeremy hunt by of got the call. Now you're surprised it was such a thing very good appointment You know i. I don't know jerry was Happy doing a number of things that he can be now given a bit more freedom on the back benches but But yeah i mean. I think very good appointment is one to jeremy would say i think there's a real sense of kind of responsibility with a job like that it yourself but in terms of the things that you're responsible for one of the ways. Are you ready to straight day. Where even in my day considerably bigger than than it was when i was working that Just to keep going and they just all tools and delta surgery to pay off and pay for drug spend a billion quit every three days but not how big the health of it is in this country and going even more important role right now. Say you know. I'm sure we'll be really excited about the challenge. But i make no mistake is a huge challenge of funnel question Two questions as opposed to both of you will. We end all restrictions on july nineteenth. And will we see a full plan for social care by the end of the year from such joe. First of all from. I think pretty well we will There might be one or two exceptions. I in terms of changes to the package on the nineteenth. So i think i yeah second probably a while what about you saleh i think yes and yes i actually think and the reason i say yes on social care because this is not a new subject for such it so when he was community secretary pull you might recall this. He worked very closely with jeremy hunter. At the time was health secretary to work on the social capri set then came in on council tax bill so this is not a new subject to him and i think once he gets the bit between his teeth on there. So i think if desert deadlines at the end of the year i think he'll get there though we all. Well we'll bring you both back at christmas and find out at salve michelle former supposed adviser to saudi jaffe. Paul harrison former special adviser at the department health under jimmy. Hart thanks very much talking sort of the politics and exactly what the politicians the political calculations such go into in just a moment. We'll speak to a couple of health. Think tanks to see what they'd like to see some of the nuts and bolts of policy so we continue our deep dive into what exactly faces such as javanese. Enjoy this morning right. Let's take a look now. Couple of health think tanks. He's been all time thinking about this stuff. And i suspect they're working to form part of scientists averaging this morning let's speak to nigel edwards. The chief executive of the nuffield trust niger. We've also got senior fellow at the king's fund think-tank. Hi helen so knowledgeable. If this one is knowledge all i've got to hold onto stuff. There's a whole stuff for me to read on the death. let's just cut to the chase. What do i need to sort out. What were the first thing you said you'll be seeing is to deal with the the continuing problem with kobe. But we're also seeing at the moment most extremely spike in demand across the whole nhs which shipped to represent some quite significant changes in in how people using it which which then to the bumps up against the fact that we ve very tired. workforce a some of which of course if had covered themselves in the suffering the consequences of that and of course we went into the pandemic with very significant vacancies across nursing medicine in a number of other key key areas So when you take all of that together. The i think the level of pressure which is very concerning. He's got deliver the hospital a new hospitals. Unfortunately it's framed right now as you were talking just earlier. He's got a to imply to develop a plan for social. Character does appeal one. That prime minister said was ready. wasn't sure and this coosa is substantial piece of legislation is going to parliament within a few weeks time so this is a long list and there's a spending review comey later in the year. So he's got quite a big to do list here of which bitter which is extremely demanding Some of the basic work to underpin any is not yet been. Donald released completely and some of them are very intractable in particular. The workforce problems. Same question to you. Really what would be your advice. Decided java is it to spend a lot of time leading into everything will just make some big just make some big decisions now because the one thing worse than making the decisions just delaying decisions you know as we've seen time and time again on things like social cabinet is is sort of window of opportunity here. The could have a big bold impact but he needs to sort of get on with it. Yeah well i mean that's such an interesting question i mean alongside the things. That nigel's already outlined a. I mean i guess i would say that and such. I mean he's gone absolutely huge Most difficult in trade any secretary of state health official ever had to face Joke they'll be really very little time. If any claim to catch his breath taking just happened over the weekend he's going to need to ground running absolutely anytime other things. In addition to what nigel mention does you know. There's obviously tackling the backlog of their operations in treatment that they'll top during the pandemic and then there's also very importantly he's going to need to decide of cetinje how they have influenced by the who should replace the current chief executives. Nhs's in-instead simon stevens. He's actually g to step down at the end of next month and this is such a critical role that the secretary of state is going to want to think really carefully about which of the candidates is best able to lead the service at such a challenging time but in terms of your question about you know Whether he needs to just make decisions now or wait and look at the detail. I think it depends on the issue will so how much he kind of trust the work that The previous secretary of state health sexual hancock already done but for example with the legislation. He might want to take some time to read that because looking at what happened with a lengthly reforms. Back in twenty twelve. And how they post repugnant they. They had a very difficult time. And i think it's wise respect shifts to kind of review the detail also legislation I'm but i don't think like social care. i mean we've had. We've had numerous commitments from discouragement. I'm previous governments. That they're going to address social. I think we know what the options offer reforming ecs. He just needs to put a plan to do that. I don't beat us. Any reason to reading. Wait is one of those things the it gets. It's been delayed for so long and endlessly discussed essentially. Everyone knows what needs to happen with social care that it's going to cost a lot of money and to some extent it matters less. Who's gonna sit. Who's sitting in the department of health and more who's sitting in the treasury the quantity. Now we have someone sitting in the vault health who's pleased sat in the treasury. So does that philly with confidence that he'll find a way to know. Get the fis the money out of the treasury or is this a treasury management of health. Who will think that there's a way of doing this on the cheap or kicking it into the longer. That is such an interesting question. I think you know. We're yet to know. But i think you know on the plus side as you say he'd be well versed in detail of social care as the issue of funding came up when he was chancellor and say was previously the department the communities local government. But you know in terms of what his attitude to funding is going to be Obviously he was transfer at the treasury when he kept finding sutton for the nhl slope even as damone services rising. So you know we. We don't quite know whether he's gonna be team to keep hold of the past things products. The books were whether he's going to as health sensational sexual state went now tried to improve health and wellbeing addresses. You can funding slow mris and obviously the jobs and motives are lives are very different to that for secretary of state for health. Nigel read and coming up. I think we'll just challenge the premise of your question. Really which is there are two ways of framing social care problem but one is we would try and stop people selling their homes which is quite a narrow framing and the other is. We need to fix the fact that a large number of people who need karen not able to get it and the provider's side of the social system is pretty broken that the people's exposure to catch costs obviously an important issue but it actually social care issues a much wider than the protection of people's property inheritance. And actually that makes it. I think one of the reasons why this ends up being quite accord tricky christian and the problem with that as with the the very long tail of people now waiting for for for surgery very very large numbers and growing it. There aren't really very many easy fixes. They eat a cost money or they need start they they need they need staff and i think that he ought to just take a little bit of a step back and say we all know what still so care because actually i think there's a bit thinking about what is really the policy objective and whether the government is in fact clear on that will at least has consensus on. That was supposed. Actually that's a in the end. It comes down to where the prime minister is on all these things and whether or not javelin wishy soon that can agree. is one thing is the prime minister willing to the big thing we keep hearing is department wants to suspend loads of money in doesn't seem particularly keen on finding where it comes on this wonderfully whether you both think that the sort of public attitude. The public mood is shifting more quickly than the prime minister and the chancellor realized actually the is support for increased taxes particularly if it goes towards funny sorting out social or we think about that had to mika. I think that. I think there is an increasing public mood around. Potentially support for additional funding for social care potentially although an has become a prominent during the pandemic people started to understand some of the issues that That's is widely outlined. But i think as well for waiting times. So i think wasting time always of interest to the public by same time. We're bad even before covid to cold. But they go during the pandemic the now so bad that we've had to stop measuring the number of patients waiting over two years treatment absolutely unacceptable for anyone tax rates to carry. It means people spending months in pain and has not just as every isn't a quick fix to this problem but it does require additional funding and most support for the workforce that they can start tackling. This and they can be. They can kind of get a little. What's been happening during the pandemic and compete me bunch out. We need more stuff in. The system. administers are going to need to put more funding for that. And i think the the public may be kind of amenable to that but also ministers again going to be honest with patients about how long it's realistic to going to take to bring back under control. Honesty and cash. That's what we need just very quickly. Nigel your your view. On that i would. I would agree with that analysis. I mean it was speculation earlier in the month that show. The the attitude was that the public wasn't enough parents to justify additional money. I think that's probably sorry because it's quite likely that this will become a painful quite quickly and quite politically. Say one of the lessons of history is that you can't predict the pointed wage the public shift from being relatively complacent totally tolerating long waits to becoming a really dairy major an an electoral issue. It can only sometimes just take one new story one patient to completely flipped public attitudes. So if i was then. I would thinking ahead to the point to which that will happen. We can't tell when but it is probably a matter of when not if not that much of the field trust and before that hellman senior fellow at the king's fund. Thanks so much for joining us a while. We've been speaking about such javid. He's been speaking to reporters about what he plans to do. Is the new secretary. He said how keeney walls for society to return to normal and the restrictions are lifted for. Good my most important messages Right now if you haven't got the job please. Scout very get hit with fortunate. I think we've got the best vaccination program in the world. We've got some four out of five adults that have had one job three to five adults that have had two jobs. I'm not some seventy seven million jobs. I think in the still a few more to do and as we said we can make sure. We're at short. That every single adult Will offer the job by the nineteenth of july which is two weeks before the ritual plants. I want to see the restrictions lifted and life going back to normal as quickly as possible. And that's right here and now that it's my absolute priority. I want to see those restrictions such as soon as we can as quickly as possible in terms of the roadmap to that. You'll have to wait for my statement to parliament later today. Such jared speaking in the last few minutes he also said i don't think as a general rule there should be cameras in the secretary of state's office. 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Biden Backpedals

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Biden Backpedals

"Turks cheik uber and experiment with your guys. Guess what we do news okay. So that's what we're gonna do today. We make a lot of big wasn't making a little was so democrats. Republicans as usual always buckle up because What we do on this program is the truth. Not a big deal. That's deal okay. Lichen share the stream. That is a big deal. Helps albert algorithm mickley. Yes like that. You were mouthing it as. I wish like struggling to say. Apparently mouth everything Do dangerous right all right anyways. So let's let's get after it. Let's go after democrats. I all right. Let's do it so. Gop lawmakers took issue with president. Joe biden arguing that he would not in fact. Sign a bipartisan infrastructure. Deal unless there was a separate bill that actually included all of the human infrastructure components of his previous infrastructure proposal which would pass through reconciliation meaning a simple majority in senate now he wanted to sign these bills in tandem and then the gop started wining now in the gop winds unfortunately feckless democrats cave in to their demands which means it's time for another episode of the dumb and the feckless layers is that the republicans will take their things keep dripping out drip drip drip and the truth comes out. Joe biden is now backpedaling. He initially said that he would not sign a bipartisan infrastructure. Bill unless that second bill was also provided in tandem. Now he's saying no no did i upset republicans. Did i upset republicans. I didn't mean to do that. Actually i will sign the slim. Watered-down awful bipartisan infrastructure. Bill even if i don't see the reconciliation bill of the human infrastructure Proposals in it now. The infrastructure that referring to has to do with funding for child care elder care and also the climate related infrastructure projects. All of that stuff has been stripped. Away from the bipartisan infrastructure. Bill so clear during a press conference and he again would not sign that unless he got what he wanted in a separate bill. Let's hear what exactly what he had to say. I'm gonna fight like heck to get them. The rest of what i think has to be done on education for example. My proposal was in the family plan. Early education free community college. You're gonna fight like the devil to get that done but it's not going to be with republican health. I'm going to have to get every democrat reconciliation. If it gets done come. I'm not signing but if only one comes to me this is the only thing that comes me. I'm not signing is intended plus. The house until the bipartisan. Bill from the very beginning was understood. There's going to have to be the second part of it. Much assigned in the bipartisan bill. And forgetting about the rest. I've proposed i propose a significant piece of legislation in three parts and all three parts are equally important and then republicans started to cry about it. Let's watch that the The president's was never linked to the infrastructure effort. We were assured that the two would not be linked. Yes the human infrastructure. If you will they call it would be pursued but the to not be linked. We were all blindsided by the comments. The previous day and there was no discussion during our negotiations whatsoever. Of tying those things together it was a surprise to say delays that those two got linked there was no discussion of any linkage between infrastructure and subsequent reconciliation package that the administration has in mind. Now he doesn't like the president throwing the wrench. They're saying listen the to died together. That's not what we were told. And so of course that caused a little bit of Let's think about this. It's true that there was miscommunication there. In terms of linking to but that was never a part of our discussion according to the republicans could assure you who are in the discussion. There was no agreement that they would be linked so within a few days. Joe biden immediately like backpedals to what republicans want and this is what he says. He says out a press conference after announcing the bipartisan agreement. I indicated that i would refuse to sign the infrastructure bill if it was sent to me without the families plan and other priorities including clean energy. My comments created the impression that i was issuing a veto threat on the very plan. I had just agreed to which was certainly not my intent and then he continues to say our bipartisan agreement does not preclude republicans from attempting to defeat my family's plan likewise they should have no objections to my devoted efforts to pass the families plan and other proposals in tandem we will let the american people and the congress decide the bottom line is i gave my word to support the infrastructure plan. And that's what i intend to do. I fully stand behind it without reservation or hesitation. Meaning he will. In fact sign this awful water down infrastructure bill which by the way also has components that would privatize public infrastructure Without really committing to the second portion of it. Which is the reconciliation. Bill that includes the stuff that we actually want. Jank two huge parts of this And then more layered on top of that is the huge incompetence involved in this and usually. That's the trump trait but here The democrats did it in a way that i found to be stunning from minute. One right and that led to even confusion on my part. I'm going to explain all this and saying the second part is is what's actually going to happen. Who's going to win. Which bill are they going to actually pass all right. So i on incompetence so. I read okay. They have bipartisan agreement. And i think this astor oak. That's the gop version of the bill. It's got terrible provision in there that were entire about later in the show that anna reference i would vote no on that by itself without any reservation right and then they put out a statement both from biden very importantly from pelosi saying no. We're actually going to do both. We're going to do the bipartisan one. And then we're going to do the reconciliation one. The one that you just watched biden saying initially right which he backpedaled from okay. Well that leads to two questions you think. The republicans are going to go. We just did a bipartisan deal. And then you're squashing it bypassing. Every other provisioned without our help that's fine. We have no problems. No will immediately going to say anyone would know should've known they're immediately going to rebel go. No that's not the deal. We agreed to of course. We're not going to agree to that. And they're going to bail on the regional package so i thought that on second one of the announcement. How did they not know. That was coming. That is shocking incompetence from the white house and democratic leadership. I got a lot of issues with democratic leadership but he usually deals with their corruption and their mendacity etc. Does he usually deal with new usually pretty competent in how they helped. Republicans rob us blind. But in this case. I was like what is going on. And then pelosi says we're not gonna vote on either one of them until they both passed the senate now. If that was true. I would be very happy right. Because that means they're going to pass the larger infrastructure bill that has the green energy stuff in it. The good stuff right and then we talk about whether to compromise on the bipartisan one. That has some terrible provision right okay. But the republicans in the senate and mansion as cinema in the senate aren't going to pass the bipartisan one. And then let you do the reconciliation one and not vote and wait to vote on both exact. That's never gonna happen right so i'm like wait. This doesn't make any sense at all. So then we were right. It didn't make any sense and biden goes back back back. I'm in love republicans. Whatever bothered us. Tell me to do. I can't confused for a second. I thought it was a democrat. No no of course no no. We'll vote on the gop. Version the so-called bipartisan. one that the republicans road of course and then. Maybe we'll do the other one now. That makes more sense. that's corporate democratic one. Oh one right so we were going to promise to vote on good things later. Of course we're never going to vote on. Don't be ridiculous. it has no chance of passing instead. We're just gonna do whatever. Mitch mcconnell told us to do right so we're back on track. That's where we are today. So an easy question is why should progressives in congress to if they don't send you the reconciliation version from the senate the larger one. The one that you actually want. of course don't vote in the house on the week. Bipartisan one. that has republican priorities. Vote no vote. Hell no this is not even close. It's not within a mile of close right. I don't care what mama bear says but mama bear still swears up and down right now. Nancy pelosi says no. No no. i'm going to get both and we're gonna vote on both. I believe it when i see it. I don't think there's any chance of that. I totally agree with your prediction. I would argue that. I mean we've seen how other bills have been negotiated in the past. Whatever happened to the so called poison pills the reason why you include some of the provisions if you genuinely care about passing legislation in a bipartisan way. The way that you do it the way that you ensure that you get some of the members of the other party to vote in favor of your legislation is if you sure include some of the provisions that they may want but the whole point is to include your real agenda. I mean that should be front and center in the legislation and what entices members of the other party to vote in favor of the legislation are the provisions that they liked that you've included. The fact of the matter is americans across the board see the value in infrastructure spending. They wanna see these infrastructure projects in their hometowns. It's it's a highly popular bill. The way that it was initially written by joe biden and republicans basically want to cherry. Pick the goodies that will do well with their constituents well tossing aside any of the other provisions that are actually far more beneficial to the american people. Now the bipartisan bill only approves five hundred seventy nine billion dollars in new spending and by the way a hundred billion of that would come from literally. I'm not exaggerating privatizing public infrastructure so we have corporate overlords Deciding how much we pay. Every time we use particular highways or roads. And we'll get into a detailed discussion about that in a later story. Because i think that's actually really important part of this. bipartisan bill. But to take all of the stuff that actually matters out and then say you're gonna pass it through reconciliation when you still have issues with cinema with mansion with warner with all these other corporate democrats jake he knows. It's not gonna pass right. So i think i think honestly. This story is far worse than we. i mean. at least. I initially thought because biden. Things were dumb enough to not understand what's going on. I think they're going to try to spend this as no no no but we tried real hard looking too hard we tried. No they knew this was gonna fail. They know that reconciliation. Bill is gonna fail. They know it well so this is where the rubber is going to hit the road guys. This is super interesting now. Nine out of ten times at least we know exactly. What's going to happen ahead of time. We tell you and we're right especially when it comes to the legislative mattis and it's super easy. Just follow the money. Whatever chamber of commerce wants they get period it doesn't matter for a republican or democrat is in charge. We showed a two thousand times over right. And that's what we tell you things ahead of time. This one is interesting because progressives would have to be nuts to vote for just a bipartisan grain. And so aoc in bowman doing great drink joining a protest outside the white house demanding that the green energy stuff being there on the other hand. I saw i think today that. Hey you should know that on the infrastructure bill in all this we we of course have his back No not a forced not at all of course buying which sell you out in one second. He's planning to sell. You just told you he's going to sell you out right. So why would you promise to have his back. That doesn't make any sense at all. And i'll tell you by the way because in washington there is tremendous pressure unprogressive. Oh you guys are going to. You guys are going to disobey aren't you. You're going to pay and destroy by the democratic party. You better obey right away. So that's why they say weird things like oh we will agree with biden no matter what no no she say no matter what could be clear and she's joining the protests. That's why i'm telling you it's mixed but if if they get tricked into voting yes on this without getting the larger bill it'd be yeah would be devastating absolutely devastating it. Would it would crush all hope like did. Then we'd think okay that's it. they're not we obviously. You would be right. The grassroots would be right in their in their conclusion. They're going to get rolled every single time. So there's some chance there's a better chance that progressives will realize oh no no we will reap the whirlwind if if we vote yes on this. Gop version right. And i hope they realized that. And so there. I hope to god that they voted. No ice love that as more likely okay. So now they vote no on the gop version and then the republicans have cinema and the rest of them. Vote no on the reconciliation version. Well this is a really good chance. You're gonna get nothing no infrastructure bill at all. It's not a must pass. It could easily fail so by the way the genius who orchestrated this guy's is theater keti. He's a giant lobbyist. One of biden's top advisors progresses lobbied to make sure on clean became chief of staff not Kennedy was in line to get and why because we can't he's a clown as a corporate clown who put a terrible provisions in the gop version right and and he totally bungled us. Ooh we'll let strict progressives will tricks in the nineteen nineties and hope that the internet does work that is not a good strategy and then biden can't help himself and by the way let me third of the republicans their right to be mad. Why are we having a nonsense. Negotiations with republicans. If we're gonna pass the bill anyway what is it for just optics because think about it. It is the reconciliation. Bill would have all the things that the republicans object to so it would be the full biden bill. Then why did we bother negotiating with republicans. It's just theatre oral theater. It's absurd okay. So i know everybody's in partisan camps and we tell you the truth the republicans should be mad about the theater. Right and progressive should vote. Hell no on. Just the republican oryx and the last thing for me is for the republicans. Joe biden has nothing but love is always but he goes further because he can't hope so so he says sort of be clear on. Our bipartisan agreement does not preclude republicans from attempting to defeat my family's plan republicans. Go come to feed me. Remember when trump you say that all the time and then he told republicans had quote quoting political had every right to try defeating democrat spending package. Imagine trump coming out and say now remember. Democrats have every right to defeat me. I mean i am really could go get him. Democrats in defeating me. I'm rooting for you. Guys right why do this gratuitously. Because they can't help themselves. Corporate democrats on economic issues are republican. Yes they are Because they're funded by the same corporate dotres which is why the end result rhetorically. They might sound different but the end result is always the same which is why we get a ton of theater and at the end of the day the i it appears that the gop gets what it wants not because the gop specifically gets what it wants but because corporate donor specifically get what they want right so. I think that all of this theater that we're seeing is just meant to attempt to fool the american people and make it seem like democrats were allegedly fighting on our behalf. But think about this. I mean if if the democratic party were genuine in their game plan here and it wasn't just theater meant to trick us into thinking that they really tried to do this but it didn't work out. They have a majority of a slim majority of the senate is if the tables were turned and it was a fifty fifty senate with a republican administration. You think that they would waste any time. Having negotiations with democrats are trying to pass. Something in a bipartisan way. No end of story. This conversation would be overall ready. They would have already passed their version of the infrastructure. Bill with a republican vice president breaking the senate tie And they do it the reconciliation. It wouldn't be a problem Democrats are doing what they're doing again. Because at the end of the day they want the same things that republicans want because they're literally paid to want the same things that republicans want and then one final thing. I just wanted to add that There are two senators at least who have come forward saying that they would not in fact vote in favor of the infrastructure bill without the reconciliation bill as well Warren senator warren is one of them who says understand this. We're not leaving childcare behind. Were not leaving green energy behind. And we're not going to make america's middle class families pick up the ticket for this package which by the way we will in the bipartisan version of the package. It's it's time for billionaires and big corporations to step up and bernie sanders also said. Let me be clear. there will be There will not be bipartisan infrastructure. Deal without reconciliation bill that substantially improves the lives of working families and combat's the existential threat of climate change. No reconciliation bill no deal. We need transformative change now. We'll see what happens. Once the rubber does hit the road but so far you have to progressive senator saying that they will not in fact. Vote for the bipartisan. Deal unless the reconciliation deal is part of this package so given those last through tweets. There's three options right one. Is they pass. Both which would be great. Okay so i have that. At two percent likelihood the other options are they pass nothing which is the right now probably leading they will at this point likely. Pass nothing okay now close. Second is the one that i would have said was the favorite from the beginning. Which is they're going to pass the republican version. That's what they always right but if they do now both progressives in the senate and the house are gonna take the biggest l. o. of their lives after drawing a red line and saying there's no way we're gonna vote for this if there is no reconciliation. Bill if they say yes and then they all on promises that they'll vote on later and the cinema ambushes them or whoever. It doesn't really matter. It's the it'll be the biggest loss progressives in congress in in modern history. They will look like autre other fools okay. I'm just be realistic with you. Guys will end in a fun note for one of you guys. One of our members wrote in recovering pagan said fight. Like heck holy heck and fudge. He ain't horsing around jack. I know i know fight. Like heck is such a funny live. Are they doing a youtube show where they can't curse like what's going i'm gonna fight. Like heck biden. Still thinks he's fighting corn pop but that really is this of corporate democrats. We're gonna fight like heck totally totally all right. We gotta take a break when we come back. There's an important part of this bipartisan infrastructure. Bill that you must know about because you might be paying more money on your commute to work covering back by back on. Ty t. i'm gonna read one. Youtube super chatty from gmo She was at the town hall and corrected me that i sometimes say he when i refer to her. It's a she okay. She's lovely she wrote in. Here's a little help for better. Mike's for the next town hall. Ps jank meeting you. This weekend was absolute highlight of my year. Keep the good work wonderful for saying that you guys. I got a funny story about why the some of them weren't working at the town hall. I'll save it for a bonus episode for the members. It's not that important. It's just a fun story. All right casper all right well. Well joe biden is touting. His bipartisan agreement on an infrastructure bill. Which of course is a watered down version of what these this infrastructure bill could have been. The fact of the matter is it has devolved into nothing more than a scheme to privatize huge portions of our public infrastructure. Now why do i say that. Well if you look at the possible pay fors for the five hundred. Seventy nine billion dollars. In new infrastructure spending there is a proposal to insure that at least a hundred billion dollars of that new spending comes from private capital now. Why would private capital want to invest in infrastructure. Well it's part of this public private partnership it's also known as p. Three it's also known as asset recycling where these private companies essentially give the federal government a massive loan and throughout about thirty years as the government is paying that money back. The private corporation gets to manage the infrastructure that they essentially privatized. So if it's a a a road or a highway get to implement a poll tax or a road tax. Whatever you wanna call it right. All sorts of fees ends up being regressive taxation accept. The money doesn't go to the federal government. The money goes to the private corporation that is of course implementing those fees to make a profit. Private capital doesn't invest in anything. Unless they see a potential return on their investment so I wanna give you the details on this bloomberg reported on it and Refer to it as asset recycling as recycling. Which is said to have been first introduced in australia allows the government to sell and lease infrastructure public infrastructure such as roads airports and utilities to private companies and use the profits to develop infrastructure without incurring new debt. Now the federal government is not. It's not getting profits right. It gets a loan from private companies. And then it's supposed to take that money and invested in other infrastructure projects now as that bloomberg excerpt Noted this was something that was first introduced in australia. And guess what two years. After they introduced it they actually repealed the law because it ended up being such a complete disaster. All of this public infrastructure was being sold off to private companies and then the government wasn't actually investing that money that it received from private capital into new infrastructure project so they scrapped it about two years after they passed it now. at the time and australian senate committee said it was quote concerned about the possibility that incentives under the asset recycling initiative may encourage privatization without effective public consultation and communication strategies and without appropriate consideration or analysis of future costs and the costs are pretty brutal for people who need to use these roads and highways and all of a sudden slapped with these tolls now with that said we have done some privatization of public infrastructure in this country already. And i want to show you how it's worked out for people. Virginia is a big believer in public private partnerships and points to successes like the express lanes here along the beltway where a driver can choose to pay a toll to get around congestion. They say it's been a big success. But those successes have come with some costly mistakes every time you get into your car. It's like teaching keychain. Totally linda dyers. Daily commute is taking a toll whenever she leaves home. She's paying these tunnels that used to be free now. She's thinking about moving elsewhere. We are spending twelve hundred dollars a year and tolls yeah and my biggest concern is going to affect how easy it is for me to sell my house. Virginia agreed to a fifty eight year. Deal with a private company. To modernize and expand the tunnels linking portsmouth and norfolk to military town separated by the elizabeth river. The tolls to cross can run a driver. Five twenty five each way. Do you just get mad. 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Navarro and and wilbur. Ross to the worst people in the trump administration they cooked before trump even one. They wrote a report about it. It was meant as a gift to wall street. Because that's free money. The government can just print money. We do it all the time ray. And by the way that's normal course of things. I'm not saying. Oh wow go. Print money to give some sort of bailout. No that's we can raise money and not pay a ten percent margin. Why are we giving away ten percent margin for no reason and tax breaks and all these other things. That's just hot literally highway robbery right and anyone who agrees that is just saying take taxpayer money in billions of dollars and just give it to wall street for no reason at all. So it's and they all that's why the rightwing donors in that tape that was leaked said our best shot here is an under the dome strategy because their proposals are so deeply unpopular with both democratic and republican voters that they have to get their corrupt henchman in under the dome of the capitol to commit this robbery for them. Okay so now. The second part is asset recycling that anna referred to they can barely contain their disdain. At us right. I mean even asset recycling Sounds like it's something terrible. who cares. Just say we own congress anyway Fun trivia in regard to that So public private partnership does not pull. Well it's actually pretty unpopular course so they initially changed it to p three and i'm not just talking about america. This has been done in other countries like australia. And that's why they have to keep like rebranding it because it's been such a failure so then they're like okay. Public private partnership. Just call a p three that way. They don't know what the peace stand for and people people aren't stupid. They're not stupid. They know and so that may change it to asset recycling as it. Recycling sounds any better right. I don't think human capital asset recycling either human capital. They are the worst okay so now. Three horrific parts of asset recycling. So number one when they privatize public things. It turns into a disaster. You got the numbers on chicago. Because i can give it. Go ahead okay. so is chicago. They privatized paid meters epic debacle. So now the some of the meteors are charging eight hundred percent more than they used to. That's eight times warning us to pay. Why because we gave it to a private company and they're like what do we care. How much pain. It causes especially poor class people which is a much bigger percentage of their income. So what charge may times more. We make more money. The government gave us a monopoly. There's literally nothing they can do about it. They got Is of course idiot. Rahm emanuel ax corrupt rahm emanuel. Who did this deal. They got a little over. A billion dollars immediately cashed. Fill a budget hole. So that ron per se so good balancing a budget right. You know how much it costs a little over. A billion they got now granted. It's over seventy five years but in return they're going to get at least eleven billion dollars. Would you do a deal like that. Okay you get a dollar now and then you have to pay me. Eleven dollars afterwards. Why would i do that deal. That doesn't make any sense right unless you're working for the guy who just robbed the taxpayers or gay. But it gets worse does okay. And there's other examples of this but in chicago can't build bike lanes because the private companies own the meters they go. You can't mess with our meters so we're going to ban you from doing something that will help your city and we have a contract. Where contract yet did you know. And it's also true in this bill that sometimes they say if we built a road and we're charging tolls like you just saw in. Virginia you're not allowed to improve any other roads nearby because it would compete with our monopoly. That's insane. I haven't even gotten to the other too bad right well. Okay so i. I have to mention one of the other downsides of this and there are many the other downside is okay take a step back and think about what the whole point of this infrastructure bill is allegedly supposed to be. We have crumbling infrastructure. We need to improve it. It's been decades a decades. Since we've invested the necessary money into this okay. Great but what would a private company wants to do. If they're investing their capital into our public infrastructure. They wanna return on that investment. How do you get a return on your investment jake. I don't know. I'm not like some economists. I'm not an expert. But i think that they'd like to cut the costs maximize profits so you think a private company is going to do the necessary repairs to our infrastructure. No this is just another corporate handout. It's another redistribution of wealth from the bottom to the top as if these guys haven't had enough money abbott ripped off the american people enough. They're not even going to do what the whole point of this infrastructure bill is meant to do which is improve our infrastructure. They're just looking at this as an opportunity to make more money for themselves. that's it. there's two brilliant points in their number one not only do they forbid you from improving roads nearby. But they don't have to improve their road at all after they build it and all it would do that to their costs. So why would they do that. In fact we saw already happened. In texas they have the pipelines monopoly. They said why. Would i improve it. Whether is is so can survive. A winter storm ward the very beginning of summer no. I'm not gonna do that. That's costs you. Suckers have to pay me no matter what in fact in the middle of the emergency ten times more so we already saw buckle. It is in texas now biden and mansion as cinema want to help republicans bring that debacle to the rest of us. Okay so anna's point there guys do you think wall street's fighting tooth and nail for this because they're gonna lose money on it no they're fighting tooth and nail for this and white has the republican version of the spill. They're calling bipartisan. Version of the bill has a very good chance of passing Because they're going to make tons and tons of money off of it off the american taxpayer. Okay now last point of why this disastrous is the most important if you asked me now. All of these were horrible right. They basically the original idea for the infrastructure. Build so-called'democratic idea was we're going to raise corporate taxes to pay for most of it right so corporations we're going to pay for better infrastructure which they then use they use it in trucking and shipping and all the different things that they use get to use for free because of the taxpayers paying for those bridges. Right okay have now replaced that with. No corporations aren't going to pay anything not a dollar. Not a dollar okay. Instead we're going to charge you tolls and fees for the rest of your life. What do they do. They just moved the tax burden from the largest corporations in the world. A lot of them are paying no taxes. Anyway right onto you. Who can least afford it of the poor middle class etc in america and that is a giant percentage of your income yup whereas it would be a minimum for senator of corporate income right. It's even worse though. Because it's not even a tax where the money that you're paying goes to the federal government the money that you pay those tolls goes in the pockets of corporate executives who then buy shares of their own stock to inflate the value of that. It has no benefit to you as an american citizen as taxpayer as an individual was forced to pay these tolls. It is a lose lose all the way all the way around for the american people. It's a lose lose in regard to actually improving our infrastructure. It's a lose lose when it comes to the amount of money you're going to have to spend and it's a lose lose when it comes to resources for the federal government because as i mentioned the federal government pays that money back to the private companies with interest with interest. So that's what the reality of the situation is. And i don't think that progressive should vote in favor of this. Bipartisan bill under any circumstance. Because what this is. It's reminiscent of what obama passed after the two thousand eight economic collapse. What he did was essentially provide a massive giveaway to hedge funds and private equity firms. Who then went off. I mean there were. there was a fire sale. They went off and they got the best deals on a massive amount of real estate which they then turned Rental property and priced ordinary americans. Completely out of the housing market and started under obama now with biden's infrastructure bill. You have corporate interests with their eyes set on really Draining what they can out of the few resources we have left in our public infrastructure so Last couple points here that are so important and number one. Did you know that trump at the same exact proposal. Yeah he did yeah. So when when trump proposed democrats and the media were like. Oh this is outrageous bind proposals. Same thing they're like bravo. Bipartisan compromise biden is such a great leader. It's amazing it's sickening. By the way have you heard any of these facts in mainstream media. Have you heard them talking about asset recycling they tell you that you're going to pay tolls and fees the rest of your life. That's what we're celebrating with. This bipartisan compromise. How funny they didn't tell you any of that right and it's interesting. I wonder who the corporate media is working for. Now we work for you guys. So i'm gonna read a member. Because i hadn't thought of this point and further devastating kid tested bureau approved their handle on our website. Ty t. dot com slash join. You literally joined the show. We read your comments on these stories. This person wrote in my favorite part of driving is having a corporation intentionally create traffic congestion and they give me the option to pay them to avoid the mess they mate and honestly i had not thought of it that way it's not just that you're paying tolls is not just that they're not going to upgrade the roads david incentive to create a terrible road that forces you to take the toll version which they charge you so much more the worst they make the road the more money they make are we insane. This is what our government is giving to us and we're supposed to celebrate an immediate cheers on look. They're done this in other countries. It's not just australia. Where they privatize roads and bridges and turnaround zana. Told you and i made a great point in our production meeting. This is exactly what they did in russia where the olive works. Just everything all grab everything. They made all the money me. Gazillions of dollars and the russian people got totally screw. They did it. In bolivia where they privatize the water in nearly led to a revolution dolan. Good side of that is that they've been electing almost ever. Since with the exception of our coups from time to time. Okay but the told the believings you cannot collect water because we gave the water to a private company. And so this is where we're headed guys. They're selling off the country bit by bit while pretending to build it. We got to take a break but when we come back. Gop senator bill cassidy would have believed that the only people who really care about the infrastructure is women because they need the roads to go shopping. We'll be back with that story and more back on. Trt jake anna news forward gop. Senator chuck todd not chuck todd my bad true. Gop senator bill cassidy was asked by chuck. Todd how he plans on. Selling the bipartisan infrastructure bill to other republican lawmakers who may not wanna give the biden administration a win on any of his legislative agenda. Let's hear how we framed the question. How cassidy responded. What's your case to some skeptical. Republicans who on one hand. I think to go home and say hey. I did get some work done. I was able to secure funding for this bridge over here or this restoration project over there but somehow the political chattering class tells them. Hey you're gonna give. Joe biden a win right because you're supporting a bill. He supports and i know. We're so politically cynical in this town but sadly there's quite a few senators that that stick their finger in the wind with the political base and make a decision on it. How do you. How do you walk that line. What's your message to those republican. Senators if you go home and talk to your constituents who are stuck in traffic for an hour and a half getting to work and an hour and a half getting home. Three hours a day that they don't spend with their family. They want these. They wanna bridge coming to a town near them now. Of course bill cassidy doesn't bring up. The fact that the bipartisan infrastructure bill is actually a giveaway to private corporations which would privatize public infrastructure. Meaning that americans are likely to still experience. That awful traffic is just that now there will be tolls involved that private companies get to take advantage of now. Aside from that though cassidy then gives. I think one of the most ridiculous Examples of how he can sell this to the republican party. Let's watch my wife says that. Roads and bridges or woman's problem if you will because oftentimes it is the woman. Aside from commuting to work who's also taking children to schools are doing the shopping and the more time she spends on that road the less time she spins doing a value. So if you speak to her she's gonna say this is a good bill you know. I do often feel that way. When i'm on the road. I think to myself wow this infrastructure. That's crumbling and all the traffic. That i'm stuck in seems like a woman's problem. Seems like you know i look around and i see all these male drivers and i'm like now i'm just seeing things. I'm just one of the many women You know who's experiencing this and it really is a woman's problem you know as i'm on my way to go shopping there. There were so many things packed into that little segment right there. Okay first of all. I like his assumption. That republican men are bums now women they shopping and stuff and they got to go to work. I'm are go. Don't mankin stuck in rush hour traffic to or you guys not have any jobs. Okay then secondly you know the women with their shopping in the dropping off the kids. I mean really really in the year. Two thousand twenty. Wherever that conversation for the record. I drop off the kids to school. Okay now. I know right right now. There's a lot of a new about. He looks kind of the guy that cares about his kids week. Week beta okay. So and then. Thirdly i love this little random thing and you know they could be at home doing things of higher-value like making new white babies making dinner right the household duties. Don't the woman's like they don't wanna be there. Want to be in that rush hour traffic. No but honestly there's there's actually this is my theory. Obviously i'm speculating here. Okay But i have reason to believe that the reason why cassidy is so hyper focused on ordinary people whether it's women or working people whatever it is is because republicans are good at messaging. They might not seem like the brightest sometimes but when it comes to protecting their corporate donors and ensuring that their taxes don't go up they know how to do the appropriate messaging because their donors. Tell them with. The appropriate message gets so the reason. Why he's hyper focused. On women or ordinary people is because he's trying to paint this picture that the individuals who are going to benefit the most from this infrastructure bill which does privatize some of our public infrastructure. Are you know the sorry. The people who are going to benefit the most ordinary people therefore we shouldn't have corporations pay their fair share of taxes to fund the infrastructure projects. That is really the message that you're seeing from republicans and the fact of the matter is in every single facet of life or infrastructure is utilized by private corporations in order to maximize their profits. You're talking about ordinary. Workers stuck in rush hour traffic. Their second rush hour traffic. Yes to earn a paycheck oftentimes. They're underpaid for the work that they're doing but at the end of the day they're rushing to work to make profit for executives and for these private companies Obviously these private companies also stand to after they privatize public infrastructure and implement all sorts of tolls. And of course he doesn't even mention That you know the the very people who benefit the most tend to you take advantage of these programs but not pay their fair share in funding. So i of all we're supposed to raise the corporate tax rate to pay for this and of course we're not going to because guys like bill cassidy A little less concerned about the woman's anna's dad says okay then they are about their corporate donors so he's cassidy's basically don't worry i got your ass covered. Okay you're not gonna pay single dollar more and so the the irony here is that he's arguing favor of an infrastructure bill. It makes a little ironic. Because he's saying i'm pro. Been that is why. I want to do this infrastructure bill because i care so much about women's ability to shop which is mainly what they do. You can see how pro-women he is right and but he's using that as a cover to help us corporate. don't exactly oh look squirrel. I mean women their shopping. They need to shop. They and then they gotta get back in the kitchen. We're doing it for them. The poor women. They got to drop the kids off at school. Don't by corporate donors or they're gonna charge tolls on those same women for the rest of their lives and robbed him of that of their wellbeing and their income that they're driving to work too. So i can protect my corporate donors and make sure they paid no taxes at all and they profit off their scheme exactly and like think about commerce. Commerce stands to benefit from improved infrastructure. So again it's a way of communicating to the american people. That you need this okay. You need this infrastructure bill even though it might actually make your life a lot more expensive in a lot more difficult and the very people who are skirting their taxes for these projects are not in any way the ones who actually benefit from this infrastructure. The most that's what this is really about. And yes he's out of touch That's the point that everyone else is gonna make. Which i think is an obvious point and a boring point. We just want to add a little more to it all right. So let's get to our next story The building clock. So we're now getting more details about the tragic condominium. Buildings collapsed in miami. This was a thirteen storey building. And it's south tower collapsed last week so far. One hundred fifty. One people are unaccounted for. And as we speak at this very moment The death toll is at ten people. The number is likely to increase as the recovery. Effort continues But for the sake of this discussion. I felt it was important to talk about something that i keep hearing. People say about how this never happens in america and how it's actually important to focus on some of the flaws in our regulations and our building codes and by the way why it's so important to have strong building codes to begin with so this is the champlin tower. It's it was undergoing an inspection back in twenty eighteen because every forty years buildings in this area needs to be recertified so in order to be recertified you have inspectors. Come in and take a look at the structural integrity of the building. And so here's what we know based on this inspection that place in twenty eighteen. A consultant found alarming evidence of quote major structural damage and quote to the concrete slab below the pool deck and abundant cracking and crumbling of the columns beams and walls of the parking garage under the building. So the two thousand eighteen report from the consultant engineer hired by the condo owners association to examine the building helped set in motion plans for a twelve million dollar repair project that had been set to start soon more than two and a half years after the building. Managers were warned about the structural damage. but it was pretty clear that the structural damage was so bad and the repairs needed to start immediately. They clearly didn't start immediately And greg slesinger a contractor lawyer in florida Said that the cracks and a kind of crumbling in the concrete known as sprawling Also identified in the two thousand. Eighteen report should have been a red flag. If it seems serious at the time. Now there are other theories that will get to in just a second but why are they re certifying. The buildings every forty years. And when you consider what was going down in miami in the nineteen eighties when this building was built would you had. Did you know drug money laundering. Through real estate development pretty sure you should be concerned about some shoddy work right so anyway just some things. I wanted to kind of discuss. Yeah so i. I lived in miami in when i first moved there. I lived literally two blocks from that apartment building. A i lived. Used to be a crack hotel if you haven't heard that story i'll tell the members in the bonus episode today it's kind of fun slash disastrous story Y t dot com slash. Join become a member or joined and below on youtube. Now on the important stuff here. When i was there i had an overwhelming sense. That things were not done by the book and miami. Okay in fact there was a guy who re i remember. We held a debate for the people running for mayor of miami. Because i worked in news back then ben mankiewicz and i did and one of the guys was marty not for sale shapiro in miami. They have to clarify. He literally changed his name to that. That was not for sale as middle name because it was assumed that all the politicians were for sale. Okay and by the way. It's still should be yes unfortunately. That's true and miami's amazing place. They there's I've told another story in the bonus episode about how guy clogged up. The whole highway ones But then when i went back just a couple of years back there was a sign on the highway saying please do not stop in the middle of the highway looking for a new podcast to listen to. Here's what we love. Courtesy of a-cash recommends shame on any politician introducing the hateful mean-spirited and discriminatory bills. That are anti american. I'm amara jones. Come join me in a new podcast presented by translation media. The other side is arguing for is constitutional right to not have to share space with trans people from the heritage foundation to the devos family. I'll show you that. The translate movement is far deeper and more chilling than you could have ever imagined. You know they're really going into communities stirring up the trouble. This is how you establish minority rule. Subscribe to the anti translate machine a plot against equality wherever you listen to podcasts cash. It's you don't need that sign unless people keep stopping in the middle of the highway. So it's a strange land. miami. I love it and but it's got significant issues so if you said to me whereas a building going to collapse and name a major american city miami okay and so one is deregulation. Leads to situations like this now. We don't know that's the case in. This situation will have to get a lot more evidence in right but deregulation causes problems one. After another after another look at texas they'd be regulated energy and instantly. Everything is crumbling right. This regulations is just another word for laws. What laws four. They're meant to protect you so that a building doesn't collapse. I remember my dad back when we were republicans because he was a small business owner in new jersey even though he was like look. They're doing six inspections of the elevator. It's too much. I said okay. So you want no inspections of the over. He said no no no in turkey. They do inspections of elevators. A you know what happens elevators. Faw right. I want to inspections a year. 'cause i want to make sure nobody falls. I go in elevator. You goin' elevator. We all go in the elevator right. There's a reason why they have the regulations. Now there's a second potential problem here. Which is miami's sinking. And we've also told you this on the show. Many times the water level keeps rising. I visit miami more often. Because i know it's not going to last very long and so that's very depressing for a city that i love but but so we don't know that it's the sinkhole but it was not the sinkhole in this one. It could be another way you know why the water is constantly every year. It's rising so that. I don't know the the science well enough to know. If that's part of why you might have sinkholes but if you do and it's a t and if you've never seen miami. Beach is a tiny sliver of land nearly engulfed with war by water right so any like now. It is starting to flood without raining. Yep yep okay so. Those are the issues at hand so i'm really really worried that this is not the last disaster. We're gonna see in miami. So i want to show the surveillance video. That's been making its rounds online. Because it has provided some clues to engineers and architects in regard to wear the building Might have had its vulnerability and they're guessing that at the moment. Obviously we don't know for sure yet there needs to be a ton of investigation into this But they're right now. Suspecting that there was a structural issue where the parking garage was like at the bottom right. So let's take a look at the surveillance video that i'm talking about and you can kind of see how the building collapsed. It appears that the collapse began at the bottom. And so let me. Also just kind of describe What some of the reporters covering this had talked about. So the new york times for instance says while no definitive conclusions could be drawn from the surveillance video which was shot from a distance and reveals only one perspective of the disaster. Some of the engineers reviewing it last week said it seemed to suggest that the failure began at a specific point near the bottom of the structure. Perhaps as far down as the parking garage beneath the building or on the first few floors. And if that is in fact the case i mean it is consistent with what the twenty eighteen inspection indicated right because They're talking about the cracks. In the slab the concrete slab. They're talking about the columns that literally hold up the entire building and how that seemed to be compromised and then there's this whole thing about progressive collapse as the new york times reports called progressive collapse. The gradual spread failures could have occurred for variety of reasons including design flaws or the less robust construction allowed under the building codes of four decades ago when the complex was built. And that's the other thing right when we talk about laxed regulations. These buildings don't need to be inspected Until like forty years is up so every forty years they do the inspection. So they re certify the buildings. I would argue. Maybe do that a little sooner. Maybe forty years is a little too long especially if building codes have improved significantly since then and then the one other thing. I wanted to bring up. I'm seeing a lot of progressives online talk about. Oh it's the owners fault it's the owners fault you guys. This is a condominium building meaning that each unit has an owner right and usually what happens in these situations. I would know. Unfortunately because experienced it is there's a homeowners association or hoa and the this is a group oftentimes of voluntary individuals. Who manage the building right they. They literally volunteer their time to do it. And oftentimes. they're kind of in the dark about things. H always actually pretty incompetent and pretty awful so I say that because it's different from a private owner who has like malicious intent or or selfish reasons. let's say to cut costs. They don't spend money on repairs. It doesn't appear that that's the case here right. No supporting the facts right and i thought progressive collapse meant what they did with the fifteen minimum wage but t s But it but in this case is referring of course the building collapse guys watching the video that is super scary and and obviously this is very very serious issue. Nine dead so far confirmed a hundred fifty missing. It's just devastating absolutely devastating. And so we. We need to make sure our buildings and bridges collapse and they're collapsing all across the country. And so if appropriately we're discussing infrastructure bill right now and the one thing that's looked like it might pass is one that corporations are in favor of and they would put tolls on you for the rest of your lives and cetera and perhaps not even improve the roads and bridges that much we need to pass actual infrastructure bill. So that we don't have our loved ones getting killed in disasters like this all right That does it for our first. Our comeback for our to where chris wallis flipping the script. Man he keeps doing it. He has a republican lawmaker on and he asks him. Hey isn't it your party. That wants to defend the police. Come right back. I'll give you that story and more.

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Matt Haig

I Weigh with Jameela Jamil

1:03:48 hr | 1 year ago

Matt Haig

"Right now, an ear wolf Hollywood handbook celebrated the birthday of our dear Paul F Tompkins by showing him a bunch of cameos from his celebrity friends like Brett Farve and Gary. Busey for more follow at Your Wolf on Social Media Have you listening. Hello is Jamilla. Djamil if you want to listen to highway without ads and support me and the show directly, the only way to do that is by signing up for stitcher premium just to stitch premium dot com or the premium tab, and you'll stitch APP and sign up with the Promo Code. I way to get a free month of stitcher premium Yoga ad free listening for I way and all your favorite. Air. Wilson stick to shows and you'll be directly supporting me on the show and I love it. When you do that that stitcher premium dot Com Promo Code I way for a free month premium listening. Thank you hello and welcome to another episode of I way with Jamila Djamil. I. Hope You're right I'm fine. I'm actually quite pumped to bring you today's episode to the point where I don't really want to talk about very much I. Just want to get straight into it because I feel like there is so much that was said in episode that is so important and I don't want to dilly dally. So I am talking to Matt Hey he is the great author of the bestselling novel reasons to stay alive and he's written so many great books humans had stop time notes on another planet, but he also has. An extraordinary book that is already getting rave reviews the midnight library that comes out on the twenty ninth in America and he I will let him explain what this book is about at the end of this podcast but he is the voice of reason on the Internet. He is who I looked to in all of my darkest and most chaotic moments he has dedicated his life to being so open about his own experiences with mental health with suicide, and actually I will offer a trigger warning here that we do talk about suicidal ideation suicide attempts in this cost in a very. Informative and helpful and loving and shameless way. But it's definitely something I need to make you aware of in case you are feeling fragile and does not ready for that conversation yet maybe book Martin Luther later. But, it is definitely a very helpful thing for me to have heard having been someone who was in the policy was idol myself. But also someone who has been the Carrefour suicidal people I feel like there was so much helpful information and so much great content around how we shouldn't shame ourselves or shame one another for control of the way that we feel and we don't Shamo sells for these same feelings around body. So therefore, why do we do it when it comes to mind and Matt has a wonderful way of highlighting are kind of societal ignorance and also. He's a progressive. He's always thinking of how we get. Better. He's always planning for what we need to do next rather than just in an outcry about what a mess everything is. He's a solution EST, and so we talk all about his mental health history what led him to writing the book reasons to stay alive, which is one of the more important books in many people's lives We also talk a lot about social media and the impact that it's having on all of us and we knew we do touch on that cancel culture and call out culture just the way that human beings speak to one another including the way that we reflect upon our own mind behavior and things in the past that we are both ashamed of and feel like one helpful in our work. It was a very, very personal watson, all chat, neither of US held back at all and we have both been. I would say incredibly vulnerable in this episode because even though we don't really know each other, we have such a similarity in the fact that we are obsessed with bearing all and telling all of the trace we can at them so that everyone can loan journey together we don't believe in perfection we believe in progress. So pleased the episode I know you. Well, if you aren't aware of him yet follow him on Instagram, follow him on twitter read his books. He Will Justin non-racial so I'm talking about the accident. L., my Lord it's one of my favorite voices of our generation hits only bloody. Hey hello and welcome to I weigh. Five Jamaica about sorry kinds of you very nice to speak to you again. Yeah. Likewise, thank you for giving me your time I. Know You are very, very busy promoting your new book Midnight Library, which we're GonNa talk about later how you doing during this year. I'm doing I during. I might a mental health has been a bit with on enough. I mean in terms of actual life Norris's changed compatible people because I from home. And we home school our kids and yes. So we look at the most people and we haven't had to do that many things would feel uncomfortable with. But yeah just psychologically as someone who has how things is the and. General anxiety anyway, and is prone to and getting addicted to the news and just the general catastrophes. ING has been kind of perfect storm for everyone not. So a mindset including myself. So yeah, I'm just like. Surviving Twenty Twenty How. Has Your mental health out specifically West? Is it just the anxiety? The things you mentioned? Well the thing is in March. and February when it really started to kick off I was in a massive men's health dip anyway which was totally not related to Covid, and then Kobe came into the worst possible time for me so selfishly personally and Yes. So I just fell into also had country about also had country for people panicking about my parents was panicking Obama Pa I was panicking about the kids I was just I was just useless I was useless absolutely anybody around me. And that lasted for about a few weeks and then during actual by in the UK when we had proper full blown nocturnal. Calm down I literally I thought it was good for my mental health them because so much had been taken away via. Version of life and there's like a life at it. Plans or ask for none of us, but it was actually kind of good necessary I wasn't having to commute cylinder having stressful pointless meetings I was having time with my kids anytime. Vote Really Nice up period I. Feel we're in another seven says imperative currently. At Ruins on a different track and got different views about. How dangerous not caveat is and whether we should be wearing masks and always nonsense. So that I found that stressful because not everyone from the same page. Telling us towards potentially going to be another stressful couple of months. Down during Christmas time, which would be the least fun time for anyone to have to be isolating on their own. You have always been so astonishingly frank online with when it comes to your mental health. Even when you cancel like a mini tour, you were always so upfront with your followers and tell them that it's because you are suffering with your mental health. You never make her different excuse and because of that I think so many of us have found great solace in your work and your words it's been another. Many unfortunate reasons your your book, which was already such an epic bestseller reasons to stay alive which I can't wait to talk to you about That book has come back in such a big way and so many people buying it bookstores are running out of it constantly in this book has been out for years because people need to hear more rhetoric that is hopeful but also brutally honest around mental health you are such a master of empathy in my opinion and and also just. Such frankness in a way that it feels almost impossible to be embarrassed when reading your work. So I really appreciate your contribution to the mental health community. I really appreciate your honesty and frankness on all kinds of issues including including mental how? Now I. Think it's Great. I think we need more honesty more frankness and openness. I. It just encourages people because I didn't always used to be like this. I used to be someone who used to make any excuse. Fake food poisoning. I've had loads of times. I've just sort of put in sick. Any of the reason was only friel rising directly about it. Gave me the confidence and I do it I'm privileged haven't gone employer. Who's GonNa find me because I mentally unstable also, I've been books about mentally unstable. So. Yeah I think I. Think when not progressing that far really in the mental health conversation I think we're talking about mental health locked but there's so much. Talk is steak man building and. Over time, not heated political debates. On any subjects you know we'll be dimensions missing introvert on grounds of mental health and I. Kind of. Both sides of the dividers. Depressing one hundred percent and it's interesting that you talk about fee poisoning as your excuses because. For. Most of my life I've been mentally ill and. Always my number one to because there's just something about and I one step further and I say diarrhea because it just shuts down all further questions nobody. Wants to hear about it. Everyone immediate is immediately mortified for you and somehow themselves and it's just like an end up also anyone who ever give him a excuse to. I. DidN'T WANNA come. Anyway I, really appreciate that and yeah, what do you think have been the greatest struggles for lockdown without wanting to hammer home the absolute obvious. But you know I mean, what are you finding that people? Do you think it's that we are to attach to devices and they are robbing us a little bit of empathy since Trudy will the blue light does it stopped? Producing empathy or Happy Chemicals and mass zero brain stops sleep thoughts you sleep as really but. I've literally had to force myself away from my find and put it in the kitchen I have a night. So I have. To Bedtime scrolling now because about used to be my my killer. Day by I noticed I was getting like. A law. Is. A realized it was because I was just on my even more than I, have had been twenty nine hundred and I was just on my phone all the time and it wasn't necessarily station media as Martin. News addiction damage action I, feel that we all have. happened. You're in California and so yes. The. Yeah so I had that totally I think that's big thing obviously backing it almost to the essential because I feel like we have. In this time of total certain. See where it's made us all. Finding really hard to plan the future in any meaningful way on we've had so. Even things like Whether it's the new James, bond movie not coming out with something. It's just like all these things that we we just take for granted that this would be a cinema to go to restaurants to go, and then suddenly always staples of modern exists which. showed how vulnerable civilization is all of a sudden and it made baffle. Who Invest so much as modern civilization feel suddenly. Very fragile and it made everything like failed kind of apocalyptic and I think I had a big psychological effects. One thing that's really helped me. In lockdown I've been reading a lot. I'm not really religious person been reading a lot about but ISM and a great American Tibetan Buddhist could pima showed wrong who has written a book in the Nineties Code when things fall apart and it's great about uncertainty about accepting sort of suffering the spat as part of the same how as joy and contentment and everything else, and she thinks problem in western culture reason one of the reasons why we have so many things the central crises on almost a daily basis is we almost expects world to be free from suffering and misery, and we always feel entitled to permits of happiness and contentment which wasn't really. Wasn't ready human things. The only realistic. All the other things loose able to appreciate them in comparison to one another right. Yeah, no absolutely and I also. In my own life then about you but often my worst experiences. Years later or maybe even just months later turned out to be pretty fertile in in some other way up in of civil hasn't been matched I. You know I wouldn't want to live through suicidal depression again. But I'm I wouldn't want you press a button unto never had it. Now it's in the past because all kinds of things came out of that sense of gratitude came out to the sense of being able to cope with neutral existence. Yeah. I was talking about this is joy lisette on different episode recently where we were just saying that actually he and I personally have quite enjoyed ourselves being lockdown because we realized we were hyper socializing and going out not giving ourselves chances to process meetings or conversations work. I for one, now, go to a dog park for three hours every single day every single evening and I live next this gorgeous park. That makes me so happy that I haven't been to in five years I've lived right near and I've not been in five years. I've just denied myself this wonderful thing because I was just on this fucking rat race and also just like hiding in my house and now I just don't take it for granted I. Think I will keep that up forever under the GonNa, take away my time to watch a bunch of dogs like give each other unexpected blow jobs in the park. Politics as in the tennis bull, it's just so full of joy and just so much kind of humanity in my in mind the nature I think it's great. Marks calmed down in lockdown thoughts because Maltese terrorism and have separation anxiety. She's how the US Oh, she's totally out. She's like, yeah, she's she meditates now she's fucked when world comes back and. shitting everywhere to go back. And I want to talk to you about reasons to say live. Will you talk to me about what this monumentally important book at was for you and what it's about? Races live was the book I was crisis to knock writing. A Book I was right. It's a book. I my publishes right is a book I wasn't given much many thought is a book that People, tried. To. Talk Out. Pricing. I it was meant to be a very small book. A Book I've felt. I should rights after conversation with a friend who works in publishing N- nor part my publisher but she said Oh you should I said yeah. But I'm not like a celebrity I'm not like a person who had a massively unique traumatic experience I closed my depression united story no story to what what's the point of me and she said because of the People will relate to that because there isn't always a click a box story to depression disorder or see those things and sometimes the how of a mental health problem is you don't know the trick you don't actually know what talk you into the howl. So that's all you don't always know what can get you out of the whole and that that's amazing. What made me suicidal time? So I have point. And then I didn't know house writes it. I love it should be A. I didn't know where it should be south outbursts. I didn't notice it should be something in between. And I tried to forget what kind of book I was rising. I tried to even forget writing a book I tried to just remember me when I was four years old in a beef Living working that with my girlfriends. Fed some of them. And when I have, this house will break down in September twenty one years ago this month. I tried to just think what would have helped me what would would have helped? Runcie for your own hasn who literally I don't even say suicide all suicidal, but it wasn't a death. Wish it was just a little late I have nine fucking idea how I go onto tomorrow feeling exactly like this. That was no break from. There's no off switches twenty, four seven. It was it ruined my sleep. It ruined my waiting is it was just a total nightmare trapped in claustrophobic. It was how I'm. I didn't realize even though I was experiencing depression I didn't I I was so. Literature about. Mental Health, I knew of DC, the woods, the pressure on Neva would. But people weren't really talking about it back in one, thousand, nine, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, thousand, it was kind of just the thing of people. My view of mental illness ban was either a sane person I normal. Person All your person. So I realized I. Wasn't anymore scientists and so I thought Oh my God I'm going to be in a straitjacket I'm going to be in a padded cell. This is what mental illnesses, Ou-, crude, and binary my thinking was on. So I was trying to write this book about hacking brain to try and give them some belief in a future south is thankful low person. Didn't die Yep I'm all about that all about. Educating, people that sometimes sometimes I mean some people have true suicidal ideation but I know that in my own like. History of depression anxiety. OCD and and. Suicide attempts the I had made in the past that me wasn't like a long drawn out planned thing. It would be a day or an hour of such panic where it was just like stop the world I want to get off. I truly think I've heard you talk about it as the difference between just generally wanting to jump out of a window but all my the rooms on fire I have to jump out the window in order to get away from the rim being on fire. And I think that it's important to understand both can exist that it's not always this planned long. Drawn out sometimes, it's just instantaneous panic and I think that because you and I both had experience with that I guess we've kind of taken it upon ourselves to remind people that what if you just hang on? Keep going what could happen I mean the thing I remember the scary thing I remember his you know 'cause people think of a beaver is like a policy in place we win diary very quiet the beef from East Coast? We were on an Avila on a cliff talk overlooking the most beautiful Mediterranean view got these lines them cliffs and I was looking at view and I just thought it's unseemly meaningless. I will never ever be able to appreciate beauty or yeah anything good in my life you I literally here I'm living in Spain in a nice that I've got a beautiful girlfriend who I love of all these things on I literally. I can't get out of this painful state. You. Know. So because of the location because the number thing I was you know edgy myself to die and. I genuinely, still Mellberg's exactly how or why I made it through that weep those a trip to a medical center allows prescribed is upon but. I'm not anti medication that's all hamlets for lots of people but in my subjective experience and not maintenance Diaz's upon made the panic attacks worse. Shans? Yes. Oh I should I I was just given barong pills for me in the situation but. Yeah. So either now I did live and I lived long enough to see some sort of fluctuation and I think as soon as you see if the situation not not amendment of happiness, a moment of not feeling not pain. You realize that can be of amendments where you know. Feeling I don't know. How you experienced but for me, the thing of feeling of being trapped, his thinking is never going to get better. It's never going to get that I'm always going to be in this. Place. Yeah substantial. Life sentence and I think that that's that was the hardest thing for me. It was just like this. I can't keep going like this and I did somehow find the. The motivation to keep going and it wasn't much of Asian. But I tried my best to keep going and in doing. So embarked upon this really ruthless journey of changing everything in order to save my life. So what were your reasons to say I've? My reasons to stay alive were in that moment you know and I will be honest. I have no reason to live I could send in that moment my own my reasons to stay alive kind of come with hindsight and my. FA- stated like that. You know it's easy to say, well, I have people who love me and how to support, which is kind of true. I did have parents. Of a partner who were the only three people in the world who knew was going through if you're brain isn't working in that moment The lobe sets kicking in. Absolutely Jimmy, and I was just thinking actually that was almost an incentive to go the other way because I was like I'm a third on these people I, it would be selfish of me to stay alive. I can remember like you know after Robin Williams death. People talking about selfishness 'cause. It's such a misunderstanding of walked. The depression can do I would I was being selfish for being alive thought stocks ridiculous. It was not how much pressure can lie to you. I was literally. So wallowing in the state of everyone would be better off without me and I'm just GonNa be this black hole sucks everyone in and it's just a horrible thing. My reason I'm ask the question now. Obviously an event. Last year in London and I was asked yet but you had to go friends you had a parents you had some support you have people to to, what would you say to somebody who's got nobody ads? All fails they've gotten anybody. How'd you stay alive for people if you've got nobody On. I was. I really struggled with out for a while and. I now think the answer to that question is that you still stay alive through the people but those people of the people on the people in your life amendment. Then not even other people that will exist in a future movements they do better versions of you. I different person I. AM still may I still got memories about time? I'm such different person to who was at twenty four and that experience was part of these made me a different person and there's so many different versions of me in locks. The arms will identical. On each one of those is grateful for about twenty four year old who stay alive. So you stay alive for those other for the past new kind to become. Necessarily others for sure. I'm am Yeah I. So many of the things in people that were in my life at that time now gone, and so it's this whole different existence, whole different, human, whole different way of moving through the world, and that's the person that I have ended up being glad I stayed live four was me and I think we need to be better learning but you yourself are important and everything else has just humans and companionship unleash different things are important. Maybe sometimes I'll mental health is a way of letting us know that the current life that we're living isn't working and maybe these just aren't the right people or maybe I need to shift something will change something in order to meet my tribe might people and I've definitely met more soulmates. And friends and a better relationship in this new version of myself. When I just dropped the layers of one of the best things you ever said something you said, once quote all the fucking time is depression. gave me fake news you said that on twitter and it just moved me so much as the first time I've liked those two words used together. and. I think that is one of the greatest way of putting it is that it just lies to you lies here but you're worth, it lies to you that things kind of shift and change in any meaningful way, and it lies to you that you even deserve that often. Is Fox News for your. Brain. Your you're just. You. Say? Yo for news headlines I had my has you are going to be dead by the twenty five. I'm just GONNA leave you. have everything everybody shit. You'RE GONNA. If you by some miracle, you're still alive. You're going to be totally marge you know you. Around yeah. Yeah I grew up watching. The CUCKOO's nest and I just thought that's what was going to be in some mental asylum and. None of us know you talking about self stigma that you're not while there is a lot society societal stigma rather there's also a lot that we stigmatize ourselves. I want to press a little bit further into what you mentioned of. You know I am straight white privileged male im slim. I. Have a loving girlfriend I. Don't have a significant trauma from my background an event necessarily though I can trace my true my my feelings all my pain back to like I don't have this bake dramatic story I'm just sad. And I don't necessarily know exactly why I'm so sad and I feel like that the lack of that compensation. Is. Devastating. down. Well, because the heavy things about depression and while I'm saying that's makes it worse is guilt and so when when you're there and you haven't me at the time, I, I did have a little bit financial worry but it wasn't like I was a twenty four year outages university. That's the kind of thing I everything was you know everything was? Generally, kind of Kinda kind of goods you know A. University had middleclass parents was white male actress sexual person with no no one stigmatizing the externally had no prejudice to overcome I. You know I was missed the privilege Mr entitled this happens and you kind of want a reason you kind of you suddenly feel like the vets because you're your head is Destroying you and you'd rather be anyone else. You'd look at anyone else. You've got a nine zero has mistreat and you'd want to sort of change into that. Martin. Literally jump out of yourself and. Out Externally of his twenty something person of your whole life ahead of you. You know you parents still alive is there's been no inciting incident you are your own drama. You. You brought it on yourself. That's how you feel even though it's Matter doesn't it almost makes me feel more like like as if you even sicker because then you've just like almost like created it, it's fiction and it's Rather than being able to the something I guess like maybe a relief to being able to trace it back to a trauma I. I'm in a relationship with someone who struggled severely with his mental health and when we first got together the him being so reticent to accept it because his childhood wasn't as bad as my childhood. So there's a part of him. That was just like what I see. I can't be. I don't deserve to feel this bad I'm I'm weak I'm wrong because I didn't have as bad a child and I constantly reassure him that this isn't how the brain works. This isn't how are chemicals were. This is such a disaster and I feel like so many people who don't have a visceral trauma or a disability or some sort of you know what I mean like they want didn't go have one massive event. Feel. So a like it's harder to find. The explanation for why you feel this way. But also like they find it hard to accept it and they don't feel they deserve empathy care support. are used to find size I. blocked out something I used to think. You know the been some Catholic priest or the been some incidents I couldn't couldn't remember I've been abused as a child or something which didn't happen but I, I used to. Be Convenient. It makes my brain make more sense. Now on rational and not mentally ill. They wish adoptions me when you looking for narrative. You, want I mean I'm not saying my childhood was pervert you know it'd be bullied at school. I had set. A behavior, my mom had post natal depression amongst a lot. Because she was adopted. So she doesn't really know who apparent saw. Lot. Her insecurities and separation anxiety pastimes me. And she's acknowledged all about stuff as well. No I mean, generally speaking I had kind of a happy childhood. I. Wasn't always necessary a happy person. We've been childhood in a self harm. I've got a mole on my cheek which when I was like a teenager of a certain age all I could see I looked in the mirror was this small which I'm now back votes as. Was the mole there's. Are you worried about this thing on your facebook by once they got toothbrush and try to rub off the mall in my face and so I wanted to scar on my face RAV for scarves more Mommy's how And so obviously wasn't right but no one is really. Telling you otherwise. And also, no one is more people less likely to ask you if you're okay that's another really interesting thing about privileged. So like Keno, even as part of my childhood and like the fact that I am a brown woman I've had a disability in, we'll destroy me. Because when I was at the peak of my mental minorities breakdown, I was famous and I was sad. And I was you know sort of like. Yeah I was on the cover of magazines and I was a DJ. So no one actually asked me if I was OK people would come in with Oh. My God is everything just gray and then you just feel like such a prick if you're not like yes because you've got money, you have access to all these different things and so then you just end up holding it all inside a no one's saying to you does this harden weird for now make it my business to as soon as I see someone winning award a walk-ups them into be like it's okay if you don't actually feel anything right now and if this hostility was happy as They normally like grabbed me and this is why it is going. Thank you so much. So worried that I'm dead inside or if they aren't rising very fast and in fame being dragged on the Internet like I'll reach out to them privately and just below you're right. Because no one asks no-one no-one reaches out to you. And so you don't reach out for help yourself, and so it's just sort of blame culture. And I think a deep level. It's important that people I don't think people should gang rounds and You know raising money for post celebrities. And have longer in not reliable I think. But I do think interesting is the fuck we. The assumption. This. A fame brings with it or whatever money brings with it is somehow salvation is damaging not just to celebrities. It's damaging to everybody is damaging to you know I mean this how re? Before social media, this predates social media is this goes back to you know the star of reality TV or whatever. This idea about normal life is something you need to be saved from, and there's going to be some Simon Cal waving a wand and you escape your, you know not horrendous upbringing but your ordinary life is you know with a record contract. You reach this other lands of red carpets I'm popular about see. Every single spot sparked the and gold and wonderful, and that's not just something celebrities. That's just like the coach we're in its everyone fails and everyone now is kind of celebrity within their own world because of social media accounts and. Everyone's presenting themselves magazines themselves on Instagram or whatever even if you've got. If you've got a million follows. You've got like three hundred followers. We're all doing essentially the same. Yeah. I just. Different scales. Talking yesterday about the fact that. One of the most devastating things can be when you get the things that you've thought would make you happy and you realize that they don't. Just like such an interesting and a lot of people won't never have the privilege to even find that out. They'll never get that call or win that award who get like get that personal get that body this that and the other. But I can say that like one of the most one of the shittiest parts of sometimes getting the things that you want and that you thought would make you happy is the realization that you don't, and then you're like, fuck. Back at square one, and in fact, when people are fucking to me in this business, let people who are competitive with me or ruthless leader. The types who will just step over your dead body wouldn't Piss on fire to put you out because they have that on the price so hard so competitive and so obsessed with their own position, this industry, the thing I wish for them. The most is to win big award I'm not fucking hope you women because you're gonNA realize it doesn't mean shit all no one's GonNa remember tomorrow you. Also. Go to and you're going to realize, oh, my God i made everyone's lives miserable or even just Jamila. fucking miserable because I was so obsessed with this award that means nothing. Change Your Life at all all the shape that I had I'm so grateful for it. But mostly, I'm grateful for the for the realization at twenty six that it wasn't going to save my life. The ice still would have to save my life just the same way as anyone else. There's no show. You how to quite young didn't you? You're a famous person quite young and I think I. Probably I think yeah. Yeah. So yeah but I mean we've me I mean myself like trivial edge is different with me like I literally as a struggling rights I thought when I got money. It will be better it'll be different and the only thing. The only worry many fixes is financial words still have all the abilities and what happens when we saw one worry I think is if you if you're prone finds -iety and worry anyway, the other other worries which was slightly less than when you had the money, they'll rise up and fill the money worries plight. So there's always almost the same quantity and capacity. For anxiety and any science and I remember thinking well, the all I wanted was to have my name on a book and be published I'm it doesn't It doesn't even have to be out on the tables and a bookshop it. It can just be that as a physical thing, one of the person in the World Reeds and. Then, I'll be happy. Yeah. I remember thinking. About might not stay I. said I made a promise to myself. No, you've got to stay being grateful for being. About a week. Publishing their and then. then. You WanNa, be a best seller. Then you get that sort of any like, no, you got to number one bestseller then you want the. Myself You the film made when you want it to be good for man, there's no end to there's always the level four goal posts can move very quickly. So you have to realize that happiness comes from somewhere else and yeah you can get a thrill and adds color to live having successful I. Don't want to belittle because it is great and occasionally if you see it but if you put all your investment in getting to a fancy party or being a number one bestseller or Yeah Yeah I. If you defy, you see, you will sell it. How will the see? That's it becomes dangerous when you feel like. You know if I get. On a few hundred, thousand followers on instagram. Then that will. Inevitably actually weakens because you've placed your sense of self esteem, a Hanzel external uncertain things which are you know fundamentally More fragile. Not put totally investing in anything outside of yourself is really really dangerous even if it's a person that you love. You've got like it's. But the cliches cliche for a reason you know I've seen you talk a lot about yeah. There is at the end of the tunnel and like these things are true. And that time is a great healer. You know these are some of the great lessons that you've learned over the course. 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I think is really important that one is struggling out there to understand that mental health is not a destination. It's an ongoing journey, and so if you took a big dip this year like I did then there's nothing wrong I came this massive knows right now twenty, six, I tried co myself Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah. I hadn't done that in my nine years. So I was I hit rock bottom and you only have hit rock bottom once. So now it's only gonNA be up from here. And I'll never fall again and I've learned all my lessons are now I am unbreakable I'm Bruce Willis although. Very a see now remember anyway no yeah I'm Bruce Willis. So I. So I was absolutely stunned to see that when I was being sort of like hounded controlled and everyone was like saying that I contributed to the death of friend or I had nothing to do with what they were saying Munchausen I say outlying about my sexuality lying about canceling about this on the other just like. Going off means that your personal way it wasn't about not proving with me you're thinking is annoying on not like follow me on I. Don't give a fuck about that. Don't care about people's opinions per se but one is being gessler. It triggered this part of my child trauma the clearly had worked on on enough and I became suicidal again in February I was so embarrassed. I. So embarrassed I didn't even tell any of my friends until maybe like a month ago. Because I spent five months just like so mortified that. ME. The great doer of therapy the one who came all of these things how can I get back here and? There was no I had no empathy towards myself. I was just like Oh God I fucking failed everything I've said about getting better as a lie it wasn't I did get better but she happens on you fool again and that's being human. You want never just immortal. You'll never like impossible to hurt. You can be hurt again and what's important to focus on which very rarely do we ever think about is how fast you getting out of it this time. Because this time it's been five months last time it was two years another time it might be one year if I go through this again but. I came back out I had the mechanisms knew what to do this time I understood it this time I had language for it. So I've still made progress. I just haven't reached the top of the mountain because fuck will I ever does anyone ever and if they do do they stay there. No. That's one of the things that was most dangerous for me was when I thought I was better because when you think because because I have this idea that either ill or your better, and then you believe you better because it's comforting to believe you're better and then you have another product. If you hadn't believed you better. It would have just been a panic attack but believing that the men having a panic. That was my a drop of ink into glasses Balsam and suddenly the how water goes dot because. Like. Okay. I'm not I'm not a well person. So I I'm an ill person again, I'm Ben panicked happen depression and then yeah, and it's it's so much. So when people say Are you feeling about to say nuts? They been till the head and the sick, and it's like no that that's good because it means I see my mental health as this continual state of flux. Rather than this fixed I, it's very dangerous because they believe in films the men. You become ill. Then you believe in fixed they of illness so you're not going to get out of so. How What do you think? Don't you out? You had your dip in February. You. Get you food. Well, helped me was to tell like my absolute closest three people said like my boyfriend on my two best friends how I felt exactly how I felt the fact that I was not safe near any given window and the I I needed I needed some sort of like some some some some sort of intervention and they got me to doctor who put me on meds for the first time and so I was put on these temporary anti anxiety meds I'd never been on them before even with all of my shit that I've been saying about stigmatizing mental health, I still thought no because meds made the I'm I'm fixing the symptom not because. I've definitely revised that thought of just like sometimes they get through the emergency just like any painkiller. Painkiller and so I use them in the process of my lack ailing. Painkiller. And so I did the same thing for my brain it completely just me out. So I was able to kind of sail through that moment and then when I was ready, I've now gone back into therapy or I'm trying like hypnosis and a couple of different things, and I now have the people call know how to approach this, know how to talk about it and know how to understand my own name because I think even just recognizing your own inability thoughts is like an. Superpower when you can identify the difference between a Berlin on the truth. I think that is just magnificent gift. You normally only get from experience and so that's how I was able to get out. It was meds temporarily a Aman although if I'd stayed on them also great and I will always go back to them. Now if anything like that ever happens again I get trolled by the world of. Heat you getting out point as mad almost anyone. Would have. Some mental toll on it and I think anyone who would say otherwise would be lying because I think couldn't even grieve my friend's death. This woman I've known for such a long time and whether or not we always agreed on everything like I cared about her. I know I know you message me on that day. We was somehow in context just heard the new like genuinely genuinely emotionally devastated by that I mean to see. The next. Crop Yeah now, and it's just almost worse is people are miniaturizing. You know the this. Damaging. The people who are just literally their job is is to take on a different person in the public eye. Off mainly women as very often marginalized groups and then they're just doing their thing and. Getting food for. Preaching to the converted I, kind of feel like I kinda feel like they kind of a little bit the dark the darker forces and then it Kinda WanNa push us over the edge to suicidal to that kind of Britney. Spears two, thousand and seven like meltdown that she was fully pushed towards by I. Mean every possible I think they want that because then they got some papers grieving us. Something martyring us and talking only positively about us to quickly cover up that they drove us to that point on talking about justice in the public eye Been Open about my mental health history. So to watch the way that very powerful men in this industry and women went off to me I was like Oh. You know exactly what you're doing. You know that this sustainable for one human being this comes from nothing. If you're someone who like me has a lot to learn about other people from different communities in this world. Then you should perhaps check out my new youtube channel. I've created an extension of I weigh the instagram channel and a bit light Poe 'cause. I created this safe space for all of us to learn, and so I am interviewing actors and writers and artists, and activists and doctors. From all around the world and asking them everything that I would like to know about how to support and understand other people from different experiences to mine. So if you come along and learn with me, join me on my youtube channel that's just go to youtube forward slash Jamila Jamal and we can learn together. I know it's embarrassing thirty, four year old started a youtube channel but fuck it. How do you feel about the kind of the state of social media right now, I'm having step back like at the time post, but I will not read because I'm too depressed by the screaming. Well. Yeah I mean I'm you know to brutally honest? It can come from anywhere not screaming and you know it. It can be a symptom of being on social media. You know one on one just as dangerous when you mentally ill to believe you. Well, it's almost dangerous sometimes think but there's a loyal tribe of people who stick together on social media because it can be so fickle. Things can things can change an instant and you can I'm what's really annoying. If someone doesn't know you way you coming from a new, you will sweetie you're you're ten words. A ambiguous and certification, and then someone with a lot of followers somewhere else we'll. We'll take the worst possible inappropriate certification of your timeline for the next four days just people saying the same angry point. Run over and over and over again, and even if they've got legitimate point and kind of gets annoying and depressing when it's the same point, people are making ten thousand times. Over and that's just mechanics of social media I mean. You. Know when people say, Oh, well, people have always been like there's people who always different heated political devices always been assigned I. Think something about the numbers, the sheer quantity of of things and things seeing, which is fundamentally bad for a brain. Tribal. I think it's a tribal thing. I really do I really think that people are saying you know I say this as a former troll, I am a reformed troll. Reformed Ho you know. I didn't were. Horrible. I mean I. Like to think mainly to horrible people who are saying horrible things stuff I. Still I still never felt good. Anyone feels good when they're putting out. Records because it's a way to have causes on his way. To you know have issues where a about positively boosting things up I'm boosting marginalized people. Yeah. You know. I've like I've referred someone online does of looking and behaving like a freshly ranked coke which I thought was funny at the time but even I think. That the most constructive way to make my point about the way in which they were treating marginalized people. So I definitely is a proper troas to just be such scathing little basset about celebrities or people politicians in a way that really had no actual end goal but it didn't make me feel better I just I was I was externalizing my own unhappiness. So I was just projecting on the easiest possible target where I don't have to deal with the repercussions because I don't standing in front of me. Than ever going to seem him never going to meet them but where I was getting to the tribal thing is that you know it's this. It's this fear. We now speak out about things often that we don't care about just because we want to make sure that other people know that we're on the right side of that conversation. So we'll see someone trolling all I just piling on and we'll be. Joined that pylon because if I'm not safe within the pylon, then I'm outside of the. Safe. And so we sometimes join into pilots. The things we don't care about. We speaks passionately, we don't really have a funk. And it's careful of that. If you're someone is doing that because you're afraid of the optics because you're afraid of the safety of being on the outside if I don't vocally speaker this thing obviously there other things that we all need be about just basic human proper rights when it's for equality. But when it something that you're just like a bit. Where someone done something that isn't cool or Trendy or the worth mockery like do you have to join in or are you doing that for the safety of being in the in crowd because I have this sort of reputation for calling for out when I see it people now whenever anything's going on like can you please speak out about this is like if you telling me speak out about it and that means you are already aware of it I'm what's wrong with it. I'm not the punisher not coming in here to behead all these like public figures from wrong. I tried to call attention to things that other people haven't noticed yet. Here to pylon was when people when I'm being silent about things clearly all over the fucking newspapers someone's being told given what for they've already maybe even responded I'm not going to speak out about that thing just so that I can show you that I care I just recognized that my voice isn't necessary because it's out there we'll know what's wrong with it. We've taken it down the think pieces already exist this idea that I now need to show my medal of solidarity is something that exists within our entire generation now. So you don't need to join in if the point has already been fucking made better by someone else. Now I actually can be counterproductive because becomes the point with so much weight going in one direction lens sympathy. To, the Taga. So. Once. Attentions raised can be overkill and then then you public shaming goes one step beyond just like you know what has been said and done it's like, okay enough already. Yeah no I agree I even get anything mental health related. I get people with very good intentions very nice things and thinking that. Is something which has been all over the media or something. Oh just by being silent, you're accused of being complicit in something necessarily for instance the. Election because I voted green and not for related partner UK people for a while he. Happy. The day but I trump pains against Jeremy Corbyn hasn't campaigned against mclovin I. Just happen to live in Brighton so it made sense to vote for the Green. Party and I wanted an environmentalist candidate in blahdy Blah, you like it's like Silence becomes. Lyle loud in people's yeah. You haven't said some cases like racial inequality that makes sense. Vital that we do at our voice and speak up and if we're piling onto an institution. Rather than necessarily just an individual if we're piling onto a sister institution, a political party I. think that's different because people are actively not listening to us, which is why she is still going on this fall. But when it is an individual who has made a mistake, just ask yourself how much of a difference you'll doing it and while you're doing it and. Better to make you look good or actually because you hope to educate and call that person in our at the same time. Dawson and something about a you care about genuine issue kyle and you can actually just mention to the issue which I now I'm starting to try to even this morning I. Just I deleted my tweet quote tweeting someone who doesn't offensive and I was not even GonNa give. please. To support this chart. Within two minutes Oh fuck it again I'm just creating an articles that don't need to be written piling onto an individual where he's pulled out of an entire culture of hatred toward immigrants. Anyway. Even, sang she specifically hates them. I. Don't know but it wasn't great very empathetic where she wrote. Please tell me. About Your Book Mitch Night Library and what it's about. Well the midnight library is a library between life and death wha a woman who has had her own mental health difficulties, Jensen things cheapest jeans up in this library between life and death, and all the books in the library of different versions of her life. If she had lived her life a different way Russia good idea I hate you so much. God, it's Sasha fucking amazing day library that we all need. Sorry. I just have to say that. She's got lots of regrets. SOCI- has the chance to undo them for instance, was in a band and in in one version of autism, she's open for the band is an absolute massive international sensation. She gave up swimming and had dodd really wanted her to swim and she was an amazing swimmer and in one life she's got Olympic medals for swimming in one life. She carried on a science career and became a glaciologist and the Arctic Circle. Research Time Change and there's all these lives she could have lived whereas she's now stuck with. In Bedford, feeling unfulfilled and suicidal unlike she's Latte, lots of people down and so he's got a little bit but it's a wonderful life and all kinds of. Yeah. Yeah I think everything I've written. Proudest of this because it's precisely what I wanted to write in that. Yeah I'm. I'm pleased. I'm so excited to see whichever movie is going to be made of it, and if I could please just be at least catering in that film I'd be happy. Earnings. Gray at selecting snacks. And so I think. So interesting about the idea for this book is you deal with regret and whether or not actually helpful or not whether you now like stand on that having written this book. Regrets well yeah. No I was don't buy regret when I was depressed I was regretting that I was depressed those regretting the life that got me into dot mess I. Regret massive thing. I still have a few little minor regrets like I gave up. I was. Fourteen years old on I. Wish I haven't I love doing a UP. And trying to. Get playing at an Bahamian. RHAPSODY and stuff. But now so I've got I've got a regret start to. Regret the bad things I. Don't regret. I think regret. Regret. Anything, fair is fair at South anything to regret regret itself I think can waste so much of your life consumed by what ifs and the thing is, it's issue you have no idea if you'd have done something different while outcome that would have had you have no idea about the grass really greener if you've done this. Or if you've won lot or if. You to stay with that person or whatever you have. No idea how things turn out I believe most lives obviously people start life in different positions on the mall privileged lies. But. I think most lives contain that Fast Shah of trauma and sadness. But also share of happiness and good things and contentment and love from us and you know we kind of have. To live life to learn how to life and you know it's always the first draft and we're here to fuck up I'm ahead to. Be that reach of on I believe in humans and forgiveness earning. I. Agree I. SO agree progress not perfectionist the sort of mantra by way it's everything that we care about and. Perfection obsessed coacher needs to understand that all of our great lessons of our great growth. All of our building happens in mistakes everything I've ever learned from what I've fucked up never from just instantly achieved. And so I'm more interesting and pathetic and you know to sort of I think valuable person for the mistakes I was able to learn from. Rather than the things that just were naturally gifted with like when someone comes up to me and member was heartbreaking for me realizing on such vacuous with. Graph latitude festival over in England I was watching a band plans go came up to me so excited Siemian this is no shade to this young girl but she was shaking and just like couldn't believe she's going to make me and I I kind of reaction where I thought she was going to be like your company Holland means so much to me but she was just like view Oh my lipstick idol am I was like Oh. My twin season I was like shit I'm someone's lipstick. Lipsticks. Put It on my already. Fun. I putting into well, why not putting out was the meaning of my life. Like it shaped my existence that moment shaped my existence. where I just realized ever to be called someone's lipstick on. Record. Thank you can fuck. Love Lipstick. Happy. If you like the way I look at it. Christ I wanted I'd like, yes I want to I just want to mean more to even just my mates than that. I'd have to have an impact on the world. I just WanNa know I had an impact on my world And so that's that's my goal. Anyway, I am you are achieving that goal I raise the chief and I I think is a great thing. especially as a father now. SOCLEAN. But. Like you know as my kids grow I worry now they're hitting puberty and the future an over toxic, how about body image and you know and subconscious subconscious. But the fact that you're you're making it conscious and articulate and getting people to to really assess their value in terms of valuable things rather than extent. Oh, crop comes on TV, advertising and Internet is fantastic. Thank you. Well, I love you light I. Think we could have an entire Epstein telling each of the old. Raisins we love each other. Matt hate. Thank you so much for everything that you put out into the world and how incredible you are and just what source of integrity and honesty and just a light of hope and gross you are one of my favorite people I could spend an entire hour telling people why I think they get the gist of having listen to this. Thank you for being. So honest thoughtful on this podcast and I hope that you come back to us again soon. Find here is definitely will. Thank you. 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How To Get Away With Trapping

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How To Get Away With Trapping

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This week and black excellence we're giving. It's I realize I had a bottle in my mouth nose. Probably GonNa do things to the end. Audience Probably. Already. so this week's boxes going to. Two Atlanta restaurants that some of you may know of maybe somebody from Atlanta if you've ever heard of sledding. Big Dave's. She stakes so. Pinky a Vegan Habe Hanker Ono. Kinky and Derek as owners of sledding Vegan, and big Dave stakes, actually linked up to do something amazing and impactful for Ray Chard Brooks's family They reached out to. To make a Miller his widow and hit her with a couple of blessing. The Atlanta way eight. And this includes a life insurance policies for her kids a new car to help the family get around and things like that and scholarships for all for the kids to attend Clark Atlanta Beautiful. So I thought this was really sweet. Because I know that like these aren't people that are I, constantly hear about them. Especially pinky being involved in stuff like pinky stay with her pocketbook open. So that's pretty awesome, and it's also not surprising to read because of the mccamish. She says we didn't want to talk about what she's dealing with. She being as Miller. We just want to show her. We got your back and we're going to support you as you need us. You can call Anna in your brand new car. Hit. The brand brand new car part on there. Confused. anyways shot to them and. Businesses and their kindness and things of that nature I never ending up. Yeah, I never heard a big day. have to check them out if I'm ever legally allowed to go back to Atlanta, I haven't had it, but I've definitely heard numerous things about big Dave's before. Shut out to them. okay, so let's keep things going as usual this week with our pop culture segment hot. Tops sperms of endearment. Let's start. I'm disgusted. Last night was be. Twenty Yeah Yep. It was the twentieth. Twentieth bt awards. In America. corona style so this this this month this week. This month stays. All right, let me reboot. The same. And I'm back so this year's bt awards was hosted by men, seals, and obviously was quite different said. Next can't go nowhere right so. I was actually. I watched most of it. I believe it wasn't that bad actually. I was pleasantly surprised me too much. I enjoyed it and I think it's mostly because. So much of it had to be pre produced. Yeah. If not yeah, if not all of it right exactly so a lot of the stuff that we got. WAS LIKE At just I felt like it had more intense or effort in it. Yeah were well done. Or just not the fact that they didn't have to be confided to. You know the stage of a theater. And they could do multiple angles, effects, or whatever it's felt like most of the performances felt like a music video, or you know just something a little bit more stylized than they might have been able to do. normally ensure some of them did look like you know. When UPN shows had a special musical guests, but at the same time I felt like that was also charming. As the thirty players your own. Boss I just felt like it was really cool, and and actually I wouldn't mind if they did. Their award shows like this further rest. Honestly more awards show was probably just do shit like this I know a lot of. Consumers of years have been doing more pre produced performance, just stream during the shower or whatever, but this is like really fun to see what different people came up with and stuff. I liked Megan's performance obvious. That was incredible. A Mad Max inspired or mad. Meg inspired performance that she gave I'm not crazy about that new song though. witness on. The easy easy sample. She has a brand new song. Okay? Girls in the hood girls. I don't actually think I've heard that one yet. Mockeries about. The worst, but yeah I didn't like his me anywhere yet. No when she switched over savagery mixed, though and she got on whatever that contraption was with the rest of them. Girls about lost my mind. I really do. It was great those pretty huge Also shot out to her for you know having A. Couple of choreographed moments I see you keeping up with a two four six eight. That's nice. Who else that I see I saw I loved keys. And her multiplying pianos, you know. That when that piano burst into like. Fifteen clone surrounded. I was an orbit. I don't know what it is about her pianos to me and I don't even know that I can like verbalize. Why find it so finding I just feel like she's had so many different pianos that she's played in front of and you're always incorporated into visuals because she's usually playing the piano and so I. Don't know why, so me multiple because I'm stupid I, guess, but it was just like her playing and singing it really you know. Like really powerful rising song whatever the next thing I knew there was like Banos everywhere and I just persons. Here's without really stupid about it afterwards, but anyways not makes our skews emotional. Moment actually liked most of the performances. Only one I really didn't like was baby. That wasn't what you didn't see. That was I. Mean it was really the opening and the whole recreating? George Floyd's death while I was just like actually. Do not need this at all like I don't need is. A negative but. If you I've I've I scrubbed through most of their bathing? Performance Yeah I mean I'm not that rich kid is fun and I want him to win, but I could have really done without debate on the fucking concrete with somebody's Neon, his dam neck like I, really could have done without that, but clawing. Halley absolutely killed it. I I love that song. Out Love that they chose to do this song, because it's so good and the two. That way they had them like battling each other. Basically in these two different outfits, a very my breath, yes, shut out to the tennis court. That tennis court is times person of the year. It is putting in some fucking work. We'll call you in highly could honestly just sit on a stool and say I would be way pass content like just their fun who all summer Walker and and usher. Usher. Raymond. Like you said, let me let me let me just remind that. I do sing a little bit. I occasionally off my mouth and saying that's something that I. Do summer. Walker is like a mystery to me. I feel like she like. LOVES MUSIC AND HATES US. Yeah, Oh, no, that's not a mystery. That's absolutely true like. She some Walker I. Think is the type WHO's like. Yeah I love to sing, but the whole industry and was expected out of me Y'all can keep all of that, so yeah like I don't want to sing for y'all. I want to go back to singing in the bathroom. I. Could if I didn't have ever see or speak to you all. And I feel like that's why liker like CBC. Her own songs actually hates them. Like S- like the whole time. I was sitting there, watching her with this very two thousand and two hairstyle Ashir and she was just thinking like. A girl I hope that they've Audi parking. It was so endearing I. Don't know. I mean. I could I could see how y'all my you know, relate over not really wanting to be around. People are having someone who you know shows up to work in, and they're usually would rather not I'm not yet. No, I get upset about the missed that one though I'm have to go back and watch it later it was. It was cute. A lot of the? Lot of children were giving you like a very quick set couple of pieces in front of a backdrop, maybe a projector and go and I enjoyed that you know it definitely felt like. When, I like Jodi might be on half and half, ass or something like that. Like or the Intro to how? That's kind of what it was, but yes, the song is very cute, and like shows like my microphone is on its working. Just so you guys knew. Nothing much recipes lip synching. I am that. Michelle Obama still the first lady I. Don't remember her too much of it, but yeah. I thought it was really fine and I thought it was cute, and like I was actually surprised by how much I enjoyed it versus. Any normal award show on normal. Times or whatever yeah that that format needed a host necessarily. I didn't think that that really. Flow together all that well but I. Guess you have to have somebody connecting the dots, and like you know going from one musician to the next but they. They pulled it off a lot better than I thought they would. I thought this was going to be niggers. You know facetime and from home with a living rooms in the background and it was a lot better than that. I mean there is also much that could go wrong when you're doing livestock and some say you know sound as. Anybody could fall on state like anything else. So just having something that you're more confident, will probably be edited and cut and shot in a way that's more like seamless and flawless than. I was just like I'm totally in the mood for this like. This is working just fine for me I. did kind of Miss a little bit of the live aspect like it's just like for me. It was just a little something was missing. Just I guess the magic of alive production or maybe not even live, but just filmed in front of a live audience. Maybe that's it but overall. Yeah. I really enjoyed. A bt can keep doing that. For me was probably like the end of the live. Situation. Before I'm all for cutting to celebrities in the crowd making shady faces when something happens. Or usually it is Riana somebody. Bid Yet. So that stuff is usually finding was missed or whatever, but again for this one time I was just so focused on the fact that I enjoyed a lot of the offerings. And four a guess, not remote, but you know for the corona special. I was like Oh. Okay, this is not I'm not mad at this at all Jennifer. Hudson gave us that aretha. What a look! What a song! Her hair looked. That was the first thing I said when I saw China Frau's like all my goodness I. WanNa like this hair. Is looks like breakfast I was just. Okay. And I'm excited to see that fucking movie. I won't be seeing that other one I don't know why we have to aretha movies. Coming out any dams. There's another one there is another read the movie coming skews. With Cynthia Areva. Why Yes why? We don't know but. I haven't even heard anything of this. Yeah are they doing? Really good question I don't know. I cannot answer that question simply was playing. This happened and I mean. Let me not take away from her voice because her voice is fucking standing boy absolutely i. just don't understand. Yeah, I this. This is not making sense to me because I've heard about Jennifer Hudson. Play aretha Franklin four years actually almost GOP smacking the trailer is out in the movies, actually finally fucking happening because they've talked about Jennifer Hudson playing her for ages at this point, so the fact that I'm just now randomly on this podcast hearing about another. Shocking to me. I haven't heard anything about the yeah I don't know who's making it. I don't know like. When started going into development or whatever, but yeah. We got to aretha movies coming out. If. You're a stand, girl, I, they right. Tag Content for your. Me Plenty of? Seeing of content this July thirty first. Disney plas- by way of Blue Sir and roomy. Premiering. A VISUAL ALBUM! Titled Black Is King Yes earth film by beyond. Say beyond snow. female pop vocals. So. I just did it. I didn't ask any questions when I saw the like little tease. Allowed my spinal cord to shutter. Blessing was coming my way. I wasn't sure because at this point. You know if you've if you're even like a relatively new beyond, say fan you have to jest. You have to be custom to you. Know your as it's being peeled off at any moment usually at eleven pm I, don't know. I guess. And then here she go. 'cause I guess in La Eleven. Here is like a so maybe she'd be like. The kids are just getting. By? Fuck the world I duNno black raid came out I looked at my phone Kokkinos eleven twenty. I say the nerve. Like Madam. Excuse you what? Tonight She continues to play with us like that, but it don't matter. She can do whatever she wants to. Either way black is king visual album is post to be based on surrounding music from the Lion King. The gift album track lion king inspired. Projects that she released last year Yep. According to a Parkwood release. It says the visual album from beyond reimagined the lessons of the Lion King for today's young kings and Queens, in search of their own crowns. These timeless lessons are revealed in reflected through black voices of today now sitting in their own power black is king is an affirmation of a grand purpose with lush visuals, and that's lush visuals that celebrate black resilience and culture. The film highlights the beauty of tradition and black excellence, so it sounds like. This is going to be a film that features songs from the gift. appearances from artists that were on there. It says also there will be special appearances of maybe the twins are going to. Fasten line or something something something that'll blow Yuma. And I'm assuming that's probably also going to be a black parade visual, which would explain? a bit more as to how she decided to just decapitate us with that release. I fucking loved it. I was immediately excited like. It's just gorgeous I don't I mean she? Did you see her instagram post? where she wrote that long as caption and I was like, wait a minute. This is like us more than all the words. She gave us all of last year and she acknowledged that I like I. Know You've been saying you see. These words, if that all the posting words. Yes, I'm actually GONNA speak to you this. Right and so you know reading through it. I was just like even more excited to see it. I'm glad that is coming out on. Such a huge platform like. I don't think it gets much bigger worldwide than Disney plus so pictures like a new Disney deal, too. You know I wouldn't be surprised if it was all tied into the the lion king thing, but yeah I was. I'm excited to see what she does I. Know People are like ready to pounce or drag or be math, for whatever reason and I just didn't see nothing in the trailer that pissed me off, so I'm going to wait and see what my queen has. Put together because I am consistently blown away S. I saw like shot of like some meteors containing Excellent black people like. Free. Streaming down onto the planet's surface meteors just striking the earth behind beyond science like that, and that's what got me. I was like Kinda. Give me lost sci-fi teens because you know what. I WANNA see this young king be guided by his ancestors. I need some incest guidance. My own damn self so. Give me. Here my wind. please. See me down here struggling. Just stretch. Beyond say the stands kind of got into formation. Around. Britney fears about. Britney posted pasta. Runner instagram it says to all my fans who call me, queen, Bee I believe this would be more accurate, and it's literally a picture of like. Picture artists made of a golden be a little golden crown on it, and she could a little to. Golden Bee emojis behind that so then the sorry, this whole conversation about the Queen, bee in who is more deserving of the title between beyond, say Britney Spears and kid. And I. I looked at this conversation. myself. I probably would have been like passionately involved in this ten years ago, God, we both. Like a decade ago, I probably would have been on the frontal. Bitch, how dare you? But I mean I just looked at. This was like Y. Also you know bigger fish to FRY. I probably would have been. You know just typing very very fast and very angrily at Miss Spears a decade or so ago, but there's bigger shit going on in the world and Britney has a very long career as well plenty of fans and. Worldwide notoriety and all that so you know if fine girl I guess. And unlike the little came argument, no shade. Brittany's name starts with. Be Sort like there is also that. I've never had an issue with the Little Kim Queen Bee. Thing I've never understood why there needed to be like a divide or any sort of angst. Her and beyond say over the titles especially since none of them are actual royalty. Make Name. We gave you all because you're awesome like I don't see the but yeah. Definitely in this it was like. If it were many other people I would have called Shea but Britney Spears later policy of a video. She's dancing like a four year old. That was a caterpillar and another live. Oh bless a harsh. She's so cute like she's as Amino harm. Having a good time and talking to people I love her like you know. Yeah, I really don't think she. Is. You know trying to be malicious in any way, and it's true that her fans to call her queen bee so. You know it just is what it is. I'll never forget. When she danced to Brown, Skin by India are- just every time you say Britney Spears everytime. Our Name comes up. That's what I think about. What the fuck did you say to me? You didn't see that video of Britney. Spears dancing brown skin. With a man. Talking back, tell where yours Mcginn. Nigga when I tell you I fucking scream. That is high quality content. Yes, find it. Britney, spears and boyfriend. Sam. As? Dancing with shirtless boyfriend. Steam up your screen. Some days you just got to dance with a couple of years ago. Britney Tom you to lead this. She did not she did not. Say. You need to link because I found it. Dan. Dancing, so he is. Go off. Bring hold on. Brady started over. How can you not love it? Advanced to whatever the fuck this Nigga WanNa dance to first of all less. Valid. Further mobocracy dancing like Waldo and family matters like it was a Col. Brittany just lives the vibe takeover and she just does. Moving her, okay, she don't give a fuck about that extra. The knees went out and she stopped giving Shit, so let them move. However, the beat moves But. It's just something so funny. About White People Desert to a song that says tell your Brown skin ends in. Mind begins out because it, doesn't it? Doesn't begin the neither one of you. All are Brown but okay. Sure. West has gap deal nothing's. Ten year. Deal starting. Right now or Next my around now ten years using gap coming at you live indirect bad. This is. As he'll that is planning to create modern elevated basics for men, women and kids at accessible price points. They'll see. This is why this last point right here these last three words accessible price. That's what I know of the gap. The gap correct you know I asked myself the other day. Then I was like girl. What the first time I used to be on the gap all time college because he could get a pair of pants for like four dollars. So! Not Sure Way Yeezy gap is going to be giving, but if that new shoe that I saw today. is any indication of what to expect? No I was GONNA say. Do you love it? The, suit. Look. How. Easy gap cheesy phone. I don't know if it's a gap shoot. Easy Foam something this shoe. The phone has like now. The phone minus foam runner okay. They look. fucking lying to me. It's like a weather mermaid, my blow into when it's trying to call its troops into battle or I know you are fucking then looks like assist well. That is a tumor. Something to make breakfast. That looks like a growth that don't even know what I've been paying for that to. Somebody spent salvaging dollars on these. Find in the great barrier ree- holy. Yes, it looks like coral. And did you see these pups? Is this a real shoe? Mega. Gogo yeezy transparent pumps, or maybe even just easy pumps. WHAT THE FUCK! I'm sorry I couldn't transparent and the first thing that came up was easy, transparent mule. And this is where we can stop getting a last thing that I. Go okay. This is not good. I'M GONNA. Tell you through if what I'm looking at is what you were just looking at. I don't hate this as much as I didn't see a meal I didn't ask them. You know I'm looking at these transparent palms. This looks like something that his wife would wear right like that's exactly right this Sunday. But. Those runners they offer looked like somebody set fire to a Muppet, and that was why it was underneath all of it this. This Nigga made a pomp with a with a plastic wedge heel. What the fuck him looking at. C. You know. Dare I. Applaud Northwest for brokering the deal. I'm sure. She Handles Canyon. Kim Same Way blue handles her parents. So you know hats off to that young lady, but. I won't be going to first of all. Where is the gap? Even it anymore 'cause. It was only ever in the mall right I don't think I've even seen to freestanding gaps in my life. I'm sure there's a gap in Times Square but I couldn't tell you where there might be another one yep stores. I'm like I'm willing to sizable amount of money that there's a gap in Times Square somewhere. Oh, probably, there's a every damn thing in times square except they closed that McDonald's. Do you know that big ass McDonald's? Enviro good rib. Right consider the DEUCE Chuck's goodbye. which a fifteen dollars! A plastic value meals, girl! Do you know in Oklahoma Oklahoma's same for six dollars and fifteen cents and yeah talk about thirteen dollars. Through three four dollars on top of meals in Harlem that we're not supposed to be expensive. I remember buying nuggets and college at the McDonalds. Right by me and my immune came up here, talking about eleven twelve thirteen dollars. Get. The Fuck Outta my face. I was around. There's a lot of gaps I guess I. Just don't ever see him, but yeah. I don't think I see anywhere, but I'm sure there's one in Times Square. There's probably one in downtown Brooklyn and there's probably also doing somewhere on the upper west side. Yeah, there's quite a few scattered around the city, but. You know whatever I'm sure will be shopping online mainly anyway, and if it's the same ugly easy shit, but three hundred dollars cheaper than y'all probably going by so. I'm ready to admit that something is decent. Are Cute if I think it is I, feel like a lot of his stuff be like. I'M GONNA. Do something real to. I'm going to really fuck up this fucking shape I'm. Like. Yeah. That's probably his thought process, but I'm just completely unimpressed with Kanye West and I just won't be supporting anything. He produces sorry. Ti will be a professor at Atlanta. University no harming the. You heard. A refund on your tuition, 'cause the devil is a whole ass liar. Professor Tip Harris will be reporting for duty at Clark Atlanta to teach. Business of trap, Music, Oh, Christ Jesus almost had a heart attack. Business management the white up fucking. Business of Trap Management Shutt- now is not. He will be working alongside Dr. Melva, K Williams. Who actually not looks like? She knows yeah name is Dr. Rats. Okay, so he's not okay, so this is like how elements teaches. Be having that grown helper in the room this list. To help her, he met teaches shit. You go lot of me. Refers to Business Trot Music is an innovative undergraduate course that will mesh the history of Trot music with economics behind its meteoric rise to becoming a staple in twenty first century hip-hop. It also says here that the textbooks will actually just beat the liner notes from Thug. Motivation was full blooded NIGGA. Yeah, get! Out of here. I'm a lot less alarmed at this. Now that I know, a real professor is actually teaching the class and TI. Just be there. It's a probably provide anecdotes and misuse. The Flyer says tip. Harris plus Dr Melva Williams so. This is a joint effort. Their partners. In the ways of business of trade. I'm expecting you know like day one quarterback half a break home. Quarter pound half a pound whole pounds. Okay, let's talk investment like that's probably how they're going to open the lesson. Why is like for a class? Though I've never seen a club flyer made for a course that will be taught at a university and I was going to say Onyx has definitely back. This. Damn template. Somebody and Magic City and Gladys Knight has used I have seen this splash paint before somewhere you. Fool me. I hear they're also been like a chemistry inspired a lean mixologist corn. Fun where you figure out how to make dirty sprite the best way as well as how much to let it break. Go for in your particular. Okay well. You know. If you're gonna do this then Ti is probably as good a choices as any but. Not as much as I think this is a bit ridiculous. I'm sure this class is already full. If they've opened you I'm sure already full, so oh. Wait for it. I mean if that school anywhere and I had a business Trad Music fucking course I'm absolutely gonNA fuck, apply for it. Are you kidding me a? That's like an easy pass. Okay. This is the test like it is. You gotTA write out lyrics. Got To calculate the cost of the weight. Speak About why eight ball and Correctly identifying eight ball. I just you know I, definitely agree that it's probably going to full class, and it's probably also going to be like some dope should take away from me early by way of the actual PhD. And then you can also say that Clifford Harris was her teacher or whatever, but you could say. Yeah. I'm sure the young people will love it. This is not for me, no way but. Yet still. Expecting Dr. Do most of the heavy lifting here. Is better than one like some white teacher who had a childhood friend named Jerome Decides that they wanted to. that's when they come in and do like blackout reach like leave me alone. SIS, take this right back. I will actually rather turn in my homework. It's. A scary thought is that is. And what if? What if incl- in and classes are cancelled its TI. Get up to three times. Well I mean it's the same thing I guess. Would you go phone with kids? The writer so I was GonNa, say probably masterclass Dot Com style thing where? dropbox. The lesson for the day. Yeah! Something like that. He log onto blackboard and get it done. Well good good luck and good grades as long as they don't have to talk about women's body parts, then he should be all right I. Just don't see why we would need to know it I don't see why we needed to know about his daughters fucking I'm in the first place, but they're like the apparently I guess they're either. In that part of the I shall call the. He's on the Family Hustler. Family and friends hassle I guess now. Beer I think currently covering the the days incident on that show because I saw some clips of it and I. Like felt bad for that girl all over again because it was like watching her in the situation like you could tell that she was rough, fucked up by, but also really used to. Those Dinas and her family. Just being like that's how he is, and she just here and being like you know, he is a good dad, but I'm like damn, so you still feel this need to like. Apologize for him or make it not seem that bad, but like also your. It's very clear that your feelings are hurt your super embarrassed, which is exactly how she felt so I saw him same clips in house like Deja, my heart continues to go out to you because. The way this Nigga had no problem spreading your vegetable business. All over the Internet is. I would be mortified so. I get a girl. Lastman not leaks you and this vape here. Your whole face disappeared. But hoping. See Be. Town nobody. Yes you do when I got arrested I want. You there is nothing like what are you talking about was there. A wine a lot on this show, but. UTAH. I feel like he was better. So meek mill and Trey Songz were going at it over. Supporting the community making nascent like I did see that. What the fuck are they still arguing? Not Any okay. The worst. So. Trey Songz was participating in this. Feed your city challenge that he I, guess he. He said he was put onto this challenge by pusher. T and who else? Pussy Ricky Davis Tony Draper so. He was in Philadelphia apparently, and he posted a photo of them out in streets, giving back and said in the caption. My boy meek mill to the Hashtag Feature City Challenge Bowl a young God in Philly. Let's ago. What does that? What is booming I'm old. I mean it means so many things okay I. Don't know what it means misconduct either old as well or I haven't spoken to trade in a minute. Okay, either way. Bo Young God in Philly. Let's go I guess later Macmillan posted some photo and Trey Songz Genton the comments and said take some of them bands and accept the feeder sitting challenge. Also, this was a picture of me called in a stack of money. Yes, I did see that and I thought. Why would you post it at a time when most people are like? Trying to pay their rent and utility. Black economic destruct. Really don't think she threw. Why would you do this? So yeah tries to take the band, and except if he just challenge, meal responded and said I donated like to mill this year where you add ll. Went on and says. Andre to Philadelphia schools, my phantom for less fortunate, four hundred K. let. And help raised fifty male for reform trey. Songz don't try me like that. So. He donated his fan. I am like. Your Phantom for less fortunate four hundred. K. What does it mean? Did he sell his Phantom and give the money away? I feel like this is. A luminary language. 'cause I just know you didn't Donnacha fan until the less fortunate that don't even make sense, so you sell the fan and then use them i. don't care whatever. Choice Long said what you feel attacked. I know what you do for your community. That's why challenge you I'm Matt everybody to do their part and more. You include it I'm GonNa. Try Whoever but what? I'm bout. What I'm on right now. Feel how you feel now again. This is screen shot that that Tremaine put on his instagram. So the caption of the screen shot is. So Meek Mill apparently felt away about me challenging him to the city challenge, he felt the need to tell me these already done hopefully, not realizing our tax on him. Because of how much I know, he's already doing for his community. That's great. YOU DONATE FAM! That's helping prisoner form. That's great. You gave your fan. Thank you for clearing up chain. I still don't understand so. I'm simply trying to bring us together to further help our communities. You offended ll you got it. Chapter Five Meek Mill says. Female says Nah I did it. Don't try to put me on the side with that sideways Shit. That's not even no money like four racks, ellipses, other artist. Telling artists to donate is dumb. Just handle your business. Don't try to put me on the spine. This behavior kind of new artists don't speaking on my money. What the fuck. Is there nobody in Philly who can just do a quick little grammar check like nothing. There's just nothing can be done. Okay so real friends. SISTER APT called Red Pants. And Red The red pants. When he can download screen shots of comments from people, specifically celebrities, but anyone and you can use the red pen's correct. Their mistakes, Grammar, spelling, anything and then. Directly back to them so that they can learn for the future. That's what we're also working on in my APP development brain. Okay, because this. Halfway through I don't know what we're talking about. Don't try to put me on the spot. This behavior kind of new artists don't speaking on my money. COULDA kept visiting the comments Bra Jessica Feeling your comment no big deal. TRAYVON's said I. Hit your phone both numbers I've got. Both numbers! I got an eye senate DM. It's a challenge nigger. same way I challenged mustard, fab travel, and they all accepted. We ain't even supposed to be at no kind of odds about giving bag shoot goofy. I'd also like to just clarify that supposed to spelled S. P., O. S. T. A. in Trey Song comment. Ever. Wanted to save. But. You weren't sure how we're spelling. Thank you again today so. It seems as though they ended sort of kind of. Realizing that this was an unnecessary miscommunication. Unnecessarily public miscommunication. Wait a main meal said on twitter me and Trey Bros. that Lil Emoji threw me off though Oh my God. It's the little scratching her the little yet. But I just don't ever want to hear. Men Call Women's sensitive ever again. In my whole life, this Nigga went on a whole fucking tirade. Talking crazy to this man behind an Emoji an Emoji. I don't, but it was. Disrespectful Emoji it's just like Hoon. Wonder if you'll accept the features. It's not. It was no reason to do out this. But this is how sensitive has worked since God said look, you can eat whatever you want except that apple. I cannot believe is shocking to me. Try Songs tweeted instead. Bra emojis Ain't Shit. However I do apologize. If you felt slighted Kennedy Challenge in Philly Man, it'll be huge. I'm offer the impairment and uplifting of one another in our communities I'm man enough to acknowledge that the emoji could have stirred things the wrong. That wasn't. It was so powerful feeding my city. I just wanted to bring some of the guys along my God. You are fucking. This is why lady, sometimes just slam the dinner plate down. At, don't even say nothing. Tummy Shit I have read all day. I cannot believe that's how that Indian. Both of y'all. Are you know seemingly working really hard to give back. To be involved in. That is commendable, and like personally for me I think it's great to get on social media, and like post actions like this mostly if it is an effort to spread awareness of something or a Hashtag or of an organization when celebrities linkup within Oh groups in certain cities and stuff that are working real hard, EPO say hey. I'm out in the park right now doing. Doing et Cetera with and such for kids in America. Whatever then that's great, but they're also loads of people who are active who donate and stuff and don't say anything anybody so I. Don't really see much need to be like now. Girl, but you didn't donate over here. Though girl, you know what I mean. Our make really any kind of assumption about what the fuck body is doing, but. This to me, it was just like. Went from being like, do my challenge and then trace out. Perma last instagram comment do my child lanes, and this is talking about some donated two million this year, and gave my phantom away and. Oh okay like I just feel like if you were that if you felt that strongly about it like oh I do this and this and I'm steady giving back to the community and all that then I probably just would have ignored his little challenge tag, or whatever like I just can't see myself being this press over somebody being like hey, let's as rich niggers come together and do something for everybody else like I. Just can't see me getting pressed over that sea. We ignored as the first sign. Junkins comments like. My last post. When are you coming to feed the CD girl? A you know that was going to be the first common anybody who scrawled pass lockers. Is that a or whatever, but again I agree I could easily just been like and then if you're fed the city academia. Right. If you taxed each other have one of those contacts I would absolutely sneak up and been like if you don't get the fuck Outta. My goddamn comments is Hash. Shit Nigga fo I deleted for you. I don't WanNa, but again. 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Elliott team abby. I have completed the last of US part to completed it. Allie. took me approximately twenty six hours and twenty two minutes damn. I'm I love both characters. It's crazy because. This is like. It's one of these games that is very. Like Naughty Dog, the company that makes it, not dog. Yeah, they also have made like crash bandicoot, injecting Baxter and started and the last of us, and they're very like tapped into making these very cinematic experiences in their video games and stuff now, and this is a good mentioned it a on a read, maybe two weeks ago ourselves because this was the video game high said like some fans are mad about some story beats like know how some stuff plays out, so they decided to just be completely transphobic, ridiculous unnecessary. and some of them are still behaving that way, but. Anyway, as far as the question goes without spoiling anything, I can't say that I'm team Ellie, or Abbey actually like both characters and I think it's meant to make a stink more than. WHO's good or bad I think both of the characters kind of had legitimate. Motives and stuff and I think that for the most part they did a good job and kind of setting the bounds or the stage for like why both characters are out for. Revenge or whatever so I like both characters I understand why so many people were pissed? I wish that they would have expressed their pissed. TV's in more productive ways rather than just being. S J W was ruined. had. Never had sacked. I. Remember you talking about that? Being like okay nerds like if you say so crazy, the nerds are the worst, sometimes the worst because it's and like again i. don't even feel like it's a completely flawless story I understand how some of it could have been like not a fan of this, but being like. I'm just trying to appease. THE LIBERAL THAT LIBERALS! Likely. Play the fucking game or don't play the fucking game like cut shut the fuck. Hop a question fantastic about to play all over again. Okie doke. Well this next one comes from Anna who says. I need to know if I'm wrong for continuing to fuck my wife. I told her yeah, I told her that I didn't want to be together anymore. I've been staying out of town since. Cova hit and I told her this in person back in May. We have more problems than I care to try to fix more importantly. I have never been in the space in my life where I was the only person who had access to my body I needed to claim all of. You know I don't really know what that means I guess she's always lived with parents or with a partner. So. Yeah Yeah. She said. I needed to claim all of me for myself, and I couldn't do that and be married anesthetic. Mom, Oh, go off! Your wife has kids. Okay. I told her that outright I. Apologize Wants to her, but to say I was sorry against anyone would be ally. Blessed is she who comes back for her body and all parts of herself Oh. Excuse me. We are grown and we act like it, so this isn't the miss. We speak respectfully to one another, and haven't had a fight or tense conversation since I told her I was going to hit out. She called me booty. Call a few weeks ago. I was drinking at France and told her I was too drunk to drive, so I couldn't make that happen. She says she would come to me and we could do it in the car. I paused as a lack of sex with an issue in the marriage and the thought of busing net was also tempting, but I'm still on I was GONNA have out. I'm. Like. This is all ass marriage. But but I said now no, I turned down. On my I'M NOT GONNA. Say that allow okay, anyway. I was in town, and when the opportunity for sex came up again this time, I answered. We all know what it said. Do you really. Can't no. It says I turned down. The cushy eats delivery service. See! This, was your fault man. That's your fault. Thank you. Wasn't his father. I told you all right. We had what I can only refer to. As all of my favorite things, sex meaning. We did all of my favorite things. We broke the bed, but we weren't finished yet yet, so we moved to the side. That was less broken. It was what I needed. Except for some of her words, she may comments like literally broke. Literally fucked up the frame so. She made comments like this is still mind and you know I'm still all yours. After sex I was in no way feeling any differently when I had busted each nut, I came to give I popped up, got dressed, offered to fix the bit, and as she wanted me to wait for her to eat, because my food was on the table, and I was hungry, okay. When she came downstairs to join me in eating, she made a comment about sex and I said well. There's a last time for everything and she said it doesn't have to be because we both have needs. I know I don't want to be with her, but I cannot stress enough that we had all of my favorite things. Six and I would enjoy doing it again. I feel like she may be in different pool of feelings than mine, but she insists that they didn't just sex for her, too. So again the question is am I wrong to keep fucking her thanks Anna Anna is on a journey. Okay, because she is writing like some e on some EPA love. Shit Right Gop? Split be the woman who comes back for all finds this apology. Shit I said excuse. Okay girl. Jam. Yeah Yeah your mind according to this letter is all the way made a and. Does sound like it's got too many sensitivities with the end so. I definitely would. Put a cease. On the the sexual relations with this particular individual because. You know it's very easy to say what you think you need to say in order to keep things going the way they. Too. But like even the few things that you have wrote in this email, make it clear to me that your wife still has you know significant feelings for you would continue a relationship likely if they're option was available to her, and there's just very strong possibility that you continuing to mess around is just going to make things further complicated and messy and dramatic and s not GonNa. Be Fine for anybody especially because I'm telling you NIGGA is. Wherever lots like for real for real. Go back out and have a good time. Just leave them. Right say. This a solid rap. Just say it has been so great. Thank you for spending disks quarantine times together with me. I have just enjoyed. You know all of our time together. Goodbye lip so I mean that's separate, though yes. I definitely think you need to this chick on because. I guess what what? Do all right, don't don't do that. Don't do that Britney. Griner is a sensitive topic of conversation for me. I can't. I will handle that but. Yeah I agree like girl. I get that having. The best sex and doing all of your favorite things after going so long without six. Is like having you consider this as an option, but now like. This to be or to remain an amicable break-up y'all cannot continue to fuck around. Somebody is going to get there feeling sorry, and it might even be Ugo while you over talking big in bed, it really might you never know, but I just think I just think y'all have got to put a pause on that shit, and just like why why drag it out, and if you you know going out and drinking it friends, and all this and you clearly not all that concerned with social distancing, or whatever you fucking this woman, who you haven't actually been around since the Corinthian you started so I'm sure you can find somebody else nichols or starting to date again so. You might as well open up whatever APPS. The girls are on our, you know. Check your instagram DM's and find your next bu-but. I just think if you really want this to be I mean and. I'm also a little confused as to how you didn't want to be a stepmother, but like you knew she hockey select. Why did you marry her? But you know I'm not even going. I'm just leave that alone, but yeah, are you grow to hate the children? And then be mad at them for existing like that was iphone, but. If. You actually want this to remain clean break-up. Then let that'd be the last time. You can always have all the good things you love sex with somebody else. Your your wife is not the only person who can fuck you. Exactly I'm like. Unless you have some sort of alien kink that you feel like you're never gonna find someone else to satisfy it. Yeah I. Don't be some lesbian. Because this is a conversation I have had so? It, but still like I doubt that whatever you're doing in the bedroom, you can't find somebody else. WHO's GonNa? Be like willing to do the things you like. Whatever those things are you know? Maybe what it? Depending on whatever that might be easier or harder to find someone you're sexually compatible with, but it's going to be better for you to have a little dry spell before you find that person. Then to you now have sexual gratification for however long, and so both the are arrayed. Yank out each other's fucking eyeballs because. Signals are mixed feelings, were her and all this bullshit? That is not necessary, yeah? Go ahead and cut this off now before things get dramatic and Y'all are. Making shitty posts about each other on Instagram, or whatever just let this go before he can get even worse, you will find some new pussy. I promise okay. Yeah. It is some more out there. She was not the last one. All Right? This next question comes from Angie. Who Says I'm a twenty seven year old woman, and I am a happy committed relationship with a man who adores me. He supports me emotionally and comes to all my events and puts my needs and wants above his own. He is really too good to be true. All right girl does where your words. Recently. He has made some questionable decisions that have caused me to reconsider whether he is the one from me. He saw listing, he saw listing for two thousand seven accurate truck on facebook for sixteen hundred dollars and asked me if I thought he should get it. I said no, but at the end of the day we're not. That was the just say what should I do. I would have died. No that's not it. Usually said no, but at the end of the day we're not yet married, and he's a grown man who can make his own decisions. After they tagged on hundreds of dollars in fees that they climbed to for shipping and Insurance, he sent twenty six hundred dollars to these people through an Ebay card. It turned out to be a scam and he was whole. I mean. But okay! He's also been having dysfunction in his family that has caused him to distance himself from them, and on top of that. He isn't the most intelligent individual when he was trying to buy a car on Ebay. I mean it was actually on facebook, but then he paid them through Ebay or with an Ebay art even. Anyway. When he speaks he oftentimes, mis uses big words and things. He sounds smart when actually he is embarrassing me. Okay neither being were. Ultimately he has a good heart, and that's what draws me. I have been there through everything. He's gone through, but sometimes it feels like too much feel trapped and I wonder if I am settling. If I can do better, I do have my own issues. I suffer from bipolar depression and I usually. I'm the one who needs encouragement I feel that both of us being depressed will lead to an unfruitful relationship. A part of me wants to take a break so that I can explore relationships with other people to see if he's really the one and I do want to have sex with somebody else before I tie the knot, just being real. I am scared that if I tell him I wanNA break. He will have a mental breakdown and Never WanNa talk to me again. Should I stick it out with him? Since he's such a good person, or should I take a break from him and explore my options? Thanks Angie. chows! Angie Angie Angie. Angie, needs to be as honest with. Andy South as possible here. I think that It's like. Is Really. Up to you, you understand like if you feel like, you can stick things out with this price because you love him so much and like the little nitpicky things that you're talking about the way that he pronounces words, or whatever is like 'cause like nobody has anybody that a? In a relationship with our with for a significant amount of time urges does nothing that just irritates them or makes lip. Curl up, just make you know just sort of like annoyed or look at them. Their partner like dumb like everybody kind of has them. They look at the person that they're with. but I think it's really up to us as I whether or not. You feel like you. Staying with this person is GonNa make you feel resentment and stuff like dat versus you being single, and in going out and experimenting for Yourself, and and seeing how you feel about are the things we need. Some people could just. Fuck it. I'M GONNA. Go all in with this with this person and. S Fine for their works out, or doesn't, but I depends on how old you are, and how you really feel about all of it. It's okay to be like look. I'm going to separate myself from the situation and just go after the things I feel like I need for myself at this one of my life and hope that you will be okay on the EB side of this up. It's not your responsibility to make to to make sure that this is okay with every step that you taking your life. So. I don't know yeah. I think that. Andy is going to have to have some real hard conversations with herself and I can identify with a lot of this, because I too have been in a position where there was nothing necessarily wrong with the relationship like the person didn't do me wrong anyway like niggers love to do but. I just didn't feel like this, was it? You know I just didn't feel like you were the one or i. just feel like this like there's if you are feeling these doubts, or whatever then there's a reason you're feeling them. And just because he is a good guy, and he totally adores you. Put Your needs above his, which is actually not a good thing. That doesn't mean that you are meant to be with him like you don't have to just. Settle Down with this man because he's a good man like you deserve to be with Sogeti that you want to be with somebody you get excited about and somebody who gets excited about you and he deserves that to. He deserves a girl who is not making fun behind his back for his up words you know he needs. Somebody, WHO's GonNa? Fuck up them words right along next door so. I think it's for the best for both of you that you break up. Although breakups usually don't feel that way when you're going through them or deciding to initiate them. They actually sock, but. You know I think it is. It is what you clearly need to do for yourself and. I mean you can. You can break up with somebody gently, and you can do it kindly, but there's no way to. To break up with somebody without and guaranteeing that you're not gonNA hurt. So, you gotta get away from that whole. Oh, I'm scared of how he'll react. I'm scared of how he'll feel him. breakups are normal part of life, and he is just going to have to adjust to it like everybody else does. We've all been through the shit. If fucking sucks, but that's not like if you're. He said it's not your job to make sure that he can handle all the decisions you make for your life. He's going to have to do that. That's his responsibility. Favorites you bring up an excellent point, which is that it's totally okay to break up with good people. They just might not be good for you. And that's one hundred ten percent valid. It's actually worse to just string a mighty that you consider good along, because you don't know how to feel like whatever else skits. Come along yet. Right like it. It's not worked shit at all. 'cause it's not like. You know whatever the issues are going to somehow magically disappear because you don't want them to the either so. Yeah like it doesn't have to be someone that's completely trash or somebody. That broke your heart I. Did you wrong that you broke up with you? Know? Sometimes it's best to just be like your great awesome, but I need blank or I need to do something for me, and that's fine and how they react. Suit isn't necessarily. Your responsibility to cater to or whatever? By, crystal, said you know, you can be kind and how you delivered I would hope you would be. You. Right Like the F. Year as kind as possible and how you come across to them, and they, you know blow up or gone to some sort of a crashing depression that sucks, but it's like. Not. Worse not doing it, you know. Yeah, yeah, no I get what you're saying like and this hard especially, if you've never done it before, but. You know you can just say you are actually a great person, and I'm not breaking up with you because I feel like you know you aren't doing something for mere whatever this just isn't where I need to be. I need to focus on myself and work on myself or Blah Blah. You can literally say it, however you WanNa say you don't have to be like. Yeah, fuck, you NIGGA. Delete my number like you can. You can say it, however you want to. If you want to be gentle, but you don't delay a break-up because you scared of how he'll react. Because then you're betraying yourself and what you need. For somebody else and the fact that he is doing that for you, which said leads me to believe that both of Y'all need this. Break Up, so? Enough for nothing it's sucks when you're on the other side and you can feel. Break up on the horizon, but the person's not saying anything. You can when you feel that like distance happening and like they may feel like checked out, but you can't get it out of and feel like we like one side. Is. Or shall that. Shit sucks. I would rather use come to me and be like I can't do this like I. got gotTa Break Up. Yeah, I might even hundred percent sure why right now I would rather see some shit like that, and I can just deal with it then me feeling light, you're pulling back or your distant or something is different, and I have no understanding as to why, yes, so one of the roughest breakup I ever went through was when my girlfriend was just like I, am. AM getting depressed and I can feel that I'm about to enter a really dark place and I don't want to mistreat you, or have you feel in some type of way about how I'm acting so I'm GonNa just go, which was really hard depression. Push me away, but still it was like you know that was the reason we broke up and it's nothing you can do, but handle that and ultimately as much as is sucked to go through a break-up. I would much rather her have done that. For her to string me along like you said and just let the relationship get worse and worse and let me keep trying and figuring out. What's wrong knowing the whole time that this is not where you need to be. Just like just set him free and set yourself free and good luck to you. All right next question comes from Marcella who says. My twin brother, who is also my og best friend has been coming to me with his frustrations about white people. Typically when another black person comes to meet event I am open to Lyndon, support. The problem is that my brother has been what I would consider A. For, he and I have been in several heated discussions about black equity in existing while black where he has called me an angry, militant black woman, which by the way yes, the fuck I am and justification. He has white. She's calling herself angry, militant black woman which, but her brother would call her. Yeah, I don't. I don't know but. He has white friends that I can't understand for the life of me why they are his friends, because they make comments and jokes that aren't funny to anybody black. My brother even pulled a Kanye and voted for trump sidebar. Kanye did not vote for trump. He said if he would've voted then he would voted for trump, but he didn't voted off so. To sell you know her brother is part of that five percent of niggers that voted for trump so. We are from a very diverse mid western town where we grew up with people from different races, heritage and cultures. Our differences came when he remained in the mid west to go to a small college, and I chose to go to a very large one on the east coast. I think we developed our varying worldviews at that point and I. Say all this to let you know that I am not tripping, because most of his friends are white. I am triple because this has gotten it in his head that he is on the same playing field as them. Unfortunately the world sees him in them very differently. Yes. Recently. My brother is finding. The some of his friends are really not is friends and I dare say he is realizing that he is the token Nigga amongst his group with white people get an extra bowed with expressing their real feelings. He has found out that a couple of his friends are low key racist. And now he is dealing with walking away from people that he genuinely cares about. The situation with France has sort of lifted. An OREO inspired veil from his is. Over the past couple of weeks, he has started to reach out to vent his frustrations and get moral support from me. I am pretty protective of my brothers so I want to support him, but my petty side is screaming also now you remember that show black is black is getting to a point where I'm finding myself from being short with him I don't totally know if I should give him the tough talk, or if I should just be quiet and allow him to one about these. Brad S fuckers, but I feel like if I tell him how. I really feel, he will fully shut down on me regarding anything else going on in his life. But is pissing me off to sit back and listen when in the past he's called me angry and a hotel and other things. Please KHOTIP coming from Kuhn. I wish the. Rather be a hotel in a coup. But anyway. Please, help me out despite this being a fisher. In our relationship, he is my twin and my best friend, so I only want the best for him, sincerely Marcello. I would be disgusted. Negative like this in my life. I don't know that I do not a say I don't have not one, Nigga in my life that is the has acted like they don't not black. I'm also very good, never speaking to somebody again. It's also possible that I have like. Completely scrubbed people from my mind that I was just like. Oh, that's on quarterbacks Yeah I mean I. Don't really know. What you were supposed to do, I know, there's like complication when complications when it comes to family. And like? The feeling of like certain a certain obligation to. Get through to our relatives as immediate family members in light. Get them to. Do Better think bad or or whatever, but like mega. If your plan is a fucking atoll, are old enough to know and do better on his mother know. A site. What are you exactly supposed to do I? Don't know that we have that much time To spend. reeducating. Negroes who are like determined to just completely dodge all the points, and and attached themselves to function like I just don't know that we have the time or the energy fresh itself. I mean. I don't know I know that it's complicated when you're. G- relative when your loved ones by thinking about like fucking white people who just don't do any fucking thing when it comes to their relatives in there, fucking twins insane, fucking stupid racist Shit and the impact. It has on the lives of the rest of us so. Yeah I. You know. I don't know I would definitely custom fuck out of my twin, but. Right I think like you're feeling all this but I didn't see anywhere in the letter where you said that you confronted him about it. And I think a lot of frustration would be alleviated if you were just like. It's mighty funny. Come to me now. When I was all kinds of hope temptresses, you know you was just saying all sorts of rude and disrespectful shit about me. You know six months ago, like also now all of a sudden like now you give a shit like I. Don't think there's anything wrong with you actually saying something to him about it. It, and if he gets defensive and shuts down and doesn't WANNA. Talk to you anymore about his life because then I mean brother is a big ass bucket baby and he needs to grow up like he can take responsibility for the things he said to you he can psych responsibility for being shitty and being rude to you. There's nothing wrong with holding him accountable for that, so I would start there with actually saying something. Yeah, no, I mean I definitely agree that. There should be something, said period in terms of like all of that stuff. That's happened. I just don't think that you need to feel. Any sort of like obligation. Here let me lead you down. Of all the ways that you had not only me fucked yourself. I, don't. Your immediate and it's just like I'm noticing that there are so many like niggers as of late that have been so gleefully ignorant towards long. Black experience that now all of a sudden are being lags. Oh, but girl in the color of my skin I know why the caged bird sings. This girl, Okay and and. I'd like to think a lot of that stuff is genuine, and and will lead to something effective in real or whatever, but for me would be just like Chris sale like first of all. Let's go over all the ways that you had me fucked up yet. Let's. Let's discuss. And then like maybe. Maybe email you couple of links to click. Maybe? But lacquer all in here in the NFL. Do you had it all figured out in all you know? You See what the White Way can get you. Don't have nothing over, yes. Know. You're right. She definitely is not obligated to do anything but. You might find that you're less irritated with him. Once you get a genuine apology like I actually don't see why he hasn't come to you already been like. ooh, so now that I realize I'm black. My bad for the crazy things. I said to you like that's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, but you don't. You're not obligated to hold nobody's hand. Not even your twins but I do understand the desire for him to be for. Your desire for him to like be less of a Shithead, but. You know if you talk about, and he just shuts down then. Let him grow the Fuck Up. P needs it. So one would hope you will least be ready to shut the fuck up and sit down for once and listen. Yeah, tell him to rent a one of his brass friends and see how they feel when you talk to them about this shit. Does he not know any other black people? Are you the only one that's? That's a bad, so you're s? How. Good luck dealing with that. Do you want to another one and you want to wrap it up there? I think Marines kinda stories. okay, let's do one more. Yeah Ooh Lord. Okay? Should we do a letter from a bisexual girl or a letter from somebody about their mother, and whether their mothers fuck boy? Or you know if a girl whatever? I think I want to hear about this person's Mama. Okay, so this question comes from. ZACHARIAH WHO Says No? You don't read the Nice. Oh, I'm skipping that my mother let me down really badly this year. She's had a very long history of trading my brother and I'd differently, and it became clear to in high school, but now as a twenty eight year old living alone, it is still pronounced. My brothers, two years older than me, but I am expected to be the responsible one and to help my family out and be the emotional. Emotional support daughter over the years. My brother has been expected to do nothing and has received all kinds of things like a basement apartment. While he was in high school, his own car at sixteen, that I was not allowed to use even when I got my license, financial bailouts from student loans that he didn't have to get because my mother paid for his college. ETC, etc I love my brother, but he was never told no, and it shows. As the emotional support daughter, my mother, and I were still very close despite all the disparity and she was very supportive. When was just the two of us? I just learned to avoid situations where mine and my brother's needs conflict because she would always switch up and treat me worse around him. This came to a head this year when I planned on fulfilling, my dream is to start a black beekeeping company. I live in the city and my mom does not so. She agreed to let me use her yard to start my first hive. We planned for this together for months and the day I was supposed to move the hive in. She called me and said that my brother had just called I was thinking of moving back home, and didn't any bs there so now I needed to find somewhere else to put them. Wow! I stopped talking to her. Because in addition to having to having spent months planning taking university courses and wasting my savings to get this up, and running her history of a banding me at my brother's whim was too much, and I can't trust her. He also changed his mind like two weeks later and didn't even move in of course. My mother was one of my best friends and one of the few people I felt comfortable, talking to about my anxiety and family history, even though she's Caribbean and largely doesn't do mental health okay? It's been a few months. And she reached out to me so I felt guilty and obligated to talk to her since she was making an effort when I met with her, she guests let me the whole time and says she doesn't pick favorites. She talked about my upbringing and the be failure like it was something that just happened to me and not something that she actively participated in. She refuses to be accountable for her actions, but insists she wants a relationship with me and says she misses me I miss her, too, but the way she treats me around. My brother is damaging I. feel anxious about our relationship. What should I do I? Feel really depressed alone, but I also want to honor my needs or standards for a relationship thanks Zura. So I think that you should probably do is look into finding someone to speak to and terms of therapy. On this is a complicated situation. It's rooted very deep into your existence and its ties to your mother and your brother, so it's probably something that's going to have roots with back. Like Times before you even remember heard times, you wouldn't think about all kinds of shit, so I think that just like the nature of the situation calls for you to probably try to talk to somebody aberration. Have someone help you pick your brain over like. you know the the relationship that you have in your perspective of of a relationship you have with your mom and brother, but also I think that is just completely. Fair and okay to be like I love you, too. L. Member other by also needs to do what's best for me. What is healthiest for me? I don't know how it affected. You personally are about all the other ships going on in the world, but like right now's is not the time for bullshit for me personally, so if you're anywhere near that wavelength. As feel like you should understand and what I'm trying to tell. People I. I'm. Just. I don't feel if. A. Lawsuit Wing here, but I'm thinking like saying like if you don't feel safe. Your feelings don't feel safe. Your mentality the trust, our blue dress NASA feel safe in the hands of your mom, especially when it comes to your rather if there's not count ability there. Is No like acknowledgement for anything that you're talking about then it just leads the wound open, and then you walking back into a situation with them out of again familial obligation. It's just going to open up the possibility for you to be hurt some way again, and you're going to be further frustrated because you've lied it. Go before, and you've put it down. You know time and time again all the other stuff so like if you're gonNA, stand up for yourself. You got to really stand up for yourself you can't you know be wavering because it's like? Oh, well, it seems like they don't give a fuck, but they're my family like no. Right so that it doesn't work that way you gotTa do the best for you don't do what's best for everybody at the cost of your health insanity. desens-, 'cause you say they not tiptoeing around or denying themselves to make you feel better than nobody's doing that for you. So why are you doing that for them? I think if you're a brought up a really great point in that. You know once it gets to a point where they can't even acknowledge. Your mother can't even acknowledge that she did something wrong. That's when you're yourself up to get your heart broken over and over again, and this has been going on all your life like. You're twenty eight years old, so this is not going to be something. That's easy for you to just stop. Doing is not going to be i. mean naturally you miss. Your mother is not GonNa be easy to be like yeah, Girl. We can't talk, but if you've tried to have this conversation with her. And she basically made you feel like your feelings were alive. Then there's just nothing you can do with that woman at the point like. There's nothing you can do when you're saying. Hey, you hurt me in these ways and the person being like that didn't happen to you. Like okay well then. Girl, where are we supposed to go from there so? Unfortunately I can relate as I mean. At least you're not the oldest say that green like you might be the oldest daughter, but I am the oldest and the only girl and the standards. Were night and day, especially between my my youngest brother, the way who the one who is way younger than me and like. There have been plenty of times where my mother would call me about something stupid. My brother's done and how he stressing her out this way or that way and I was just like if I saw just listen to be like him, but ESA exploded blah, and then eventually one day I was like a girl I can't help you with this. You know why, because if I had done even a tenth of this bullshit, I would have been all kinds of names I would've been like. Disowned or not spoken to. It would have been like I'm bringing shame upon you and and your parents skills, but like now all of a sudden you got all this grace, and you want me to be the pathetic ear like no man. Sorry, that's not happening so. You have to be able to say something. To your mother and have that respected. It sounds to me like. Your feelings, the way you are, the your experience is not being honored by her in any way and you just. I just don't think it's remotely healthy to force yourself to be in relationship with somebody who's GonNa keep showing you that your feelings don't really matter to them regardless. If that person is your mother, are not like you deserve better than that. If this was a relationship, he was in I would tell you the exact same thing. Just because mom, don't mean you have to take it and I know that's hard for us. As hard for of across the diaspora, black people do not really fuck with that whole. You know cutting my parents off thing, but it doesn't have to be a forever situation. It doesn't have to be like. Fuck you mom like I'm never speaking to you again and and that's that like you might do that or you might say. You. Call me when you can be real which itself about what I went through or call me when you can just listen to what I have to say, instead of telling me that I'm wrong for it or that. Whatever happened to me was just blotted lie, these are just things happened and they didn't have nothing to do with my mother who was magically in every last one of these scenarios like call me when you pass that, but until then I don't deserve to be hurt you hurt. Your feelings are fucking hurt and they've been hurt over and over again all your life. You deserve to have somebody pay attention to that. Right, how okay well! I think that is going to wrap it up for this week again. 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To try and appease folks who have been standing up in the face of racism as lay. Them. They're recasting. The voice actors for numerous black. Characters on shows like Family Guy The simpsons the Cleveland show big mouth. crazy to me that all these white people were playing black people in the first place, but. There Accessing episodes of shows. that may have featured racially insensitive moments such is. The episode of Golden Girls titled. Mixed blessing where Michael's Burnett comes home with his black wife. And his black, our black fiance and her family. And the black family walks into the house at one point where blanche and Bros. have mud masks on their face, and it's like woo-hoo Awkward. They've got brown mud on their faces. Yeah, and rose makes a quirky comment like who's modern. Our vases were black. Jimmy Kimmel and the other Jamie of apologized for doing black face. They're gutting out. The splash mounts and rides at Disney and changing them from. Breyer Rabid rare bare essence into some sort of a princess and the frog beam dry. Even thirty rock is pulling their black face episodes. I would just love to know. This is cute cute. You know addressing some things. When are we going to arrest the police that murdered on Taylor? There it is. y'All doing all of this Shit Weedon motherfucking talked about and brought up for thirty forty, fifty eighty odd damn ears, except for the one mother fucking thing that we've been talking about for however many months at this point just arrestees murdering and asked police. That's what we're talking about today. You talking about some other fucking. Oh well! Did you know that we're changing splash mountain? Bitch, first of all, let's just pull over on the splash mountain tape real quick. First of all. Are you dead serious about this ride like we're supposed to give buck that you're making it into a princess and the frog ride instead of what it currently is a magazine. Get a fuck about princess and the frog. Great there are black children have an actual black African American. Ask Disney princess. They can get doll babies and shit of out of the Disney's flora. That's cute princess and the frog. She was a fucking frog for eighty five percent of the jet movie. It's never been a film that has been lifted by the black community has some sort of a crowning achievement and Negro animation. Sure it'll probably look nice, because it's a Disney version of a New Orleans by you, but girl. Nobody talked to you about this. Furthermore, I'm sure that numerous necas have gone through Disney and they're imagining department and said hey girls. Maybe we should change. This motherfucking arrived because. soups racist also pretty sure that nobody who has been on splash mountain has even seen songs of the south and like. fucking years like. Has. Anybody even heard of that goddamn movie since the nineteen sixties. Probably so why? Why even keep it, but you want to now change it in some motherfucker. Cheat that we need to arrest the police that killed Brianna Taylor. Do some actual motherfucking work. We're talking about black lives, and how they matter just as much as any other one. How you can't just walk into an walk into anybody's own God. Damn House when they're in their bed and murder they motherfucking. Let's address that you talking to us about some other fucking bullshit that don't make no fucking difference that Golden Girls, joke is one of the most self aware fucking jokes that one could tell about black face black face. Being offensive is why the joke was funny, so it's actually an insult to anybody with intelligence. Be Like Oh in light of what's going on. We're GONNA. Take this motherfucking bullshit down how? You address the facts that the mother fuckers that killed Elijah McLean are on our on desk duty rather than in mother fucking jail. How about that? 'cause like what you're trying to hate us with? Don't make motherfucking sense. Police are here choking and and shooting and killing beating the fuck out of innocent mother, fucking black people, but you WanNa talk to us about fucking shows from the nineteen eighty s keep it. Are you dead acid. We've been talking about Brandon Taylor's killers for. Ever at this point, and they're just somewhere hanging out, but don't worry. Because the dixie chicks of just call the chicks now are like what this the allocate me with one more of these motherfucker headlines addressing some old as civil rights movement Martin Luther King. Era Is Bullshit that we have been talking about for ages rather than what the fuck. We're talking about right now. I know something like I'm GonNa lose it I'M GONNA. Lose it y'all like. Make us have talked about why you. We've watched y'all. CAST white people to voice black characters for ever for ever. This isn't something that has been going on in two thousand and ten thousand ninety like this is something that has gone on for ever you get some. Black character and get some dufy white person voice, their mother, fucking ass, and then you act like you don't hear nobody when they say hey, you could have easily given that that role to a black person not to mention. Like you say although we're going to to recast these characters with with actual black actress now like you don't still need black people in the positions of power to actually direct and produce, and do all of the other fucking things to animate and shit so that you're not making offensive she, you're trying to just put little tiny band-aids or these gaping shotgun wounds. You you looking at us like all better now? Right the fuck, no! Sure not bitch. It's sure not not at all. You're actually wasting time. Energy Resources, and you're insulting our intelligence on top of that so great that you feel like finally addressing all of initiate. have been talking about sense like my great great grandfather out here walking around kicking up dust, but that's not what the fuck. We're talking about right now. Everywhere that she motherfucking, go and turn your mother fucking. is you see people talking about the injustice behind these slain black people? How people doing sit about it, but you WanNa talk to me about the racism from the eighties and nineties today girl fuck cutting. Shop just like I feel like all this surface stuff pulling these all TV shows in you know the blasio putting a black lives matter street in every borough. Whatever this is just shit. Ya'll doing hoping that we will sit down and shut the fuck up hoping that we will let it go, and it will all be swept under the rug again like it usually is. These are tiny little place holders for actual change actual justice that we actually need and deserve in this fucking country, so like y'all pulling a thirty three year old episode golden girls that that doesn't make me feel like America is doing better it doesn't it doesn't that we have real problems. Like. Are you fight? Off Gone With the wind and shit from streaming services like we didn't already know what the FA like girl girl! Leave US alone about the racist media from your. He's era. We're talking about a woman who just got kills. We're talking about a young man. That was just murdered. We're talking about Trans lives that were just fucking taken you talking to me about some motherfucking media from three or four five decades ago about a fucking ride. That's older than like everybody I know. Are You fucking dead series? Yes, it's cute. That may be the splash mountain. We'll be less motherfucking races. It's nice that black characters were. Voiced by black people, it's Nice as you want address insensitive things whether it's in a show that just came out last week or show. That came out a couple of years ago. That's fine, but it's also like wide, open ass, obvious and apparent. That what you're trying to do is like. Dangle a little like care in front of a rabbit, or whatever the fuck union saying like you just trying to like dangle any like piece of black bait in front of us as if we're somehow going to ignore. What we've been talking about right now, right by what is the most important because I can't tell you the last time that I've been on a mother fucking slash. Focus inside that motherfucking ride, and like I say most people who don't even know. Don't even know anything about how motherfucking offensive it is or why that's nice. Get to the real fucking work. Okay, because if you keep killing us, ain't nobody. Go get on I. Ride in the first place if you keep killing us. Kanaabi stream your bullshit in the first place that. That stuff's relevant approach the real issue stand up to these white folk in front of your white face that refused to let their racism go, because they don't know how to be a human being other human beings to stand on like get to the actual action that needs to take Liz not just what fucking show. We should take off of Hulu. Are Amazon prime. You're, wasting my time. Well, Amen. Is that it? Oh and also MC light Queen Bay. Are you really black? Cast my nose. And Twenty twenty in the year of our Lord. Are you dead ass? Serious Queen Bay MC, light today. Make you say that. Are you dead ass? Serious Queen Bay as long as that woman has been beyond, say how dare you, but that and then mixing up which Willie Brown was dead on the BT awards. It's a wonder I watch all my God they did do that. During the in Memoriam, speaking of that, it broke my heart to see jazz is. Name in photo up there, like in the middle of that I was just like hull. House, glad she was included. I mean I was glad she was included, but it's just like a reminder that. Yeah somebody so talented is gone and. but anyway yes, I didn't even hear that I didn't even had to watch the beyond. Say Part To. Maybe I went to sleep, but add to watch the beyond. Say Part Online. I didn't even hear that live so what the fuck shoes like and coming up our one. Que- are reigning Queen Bay. Fuck. I know that show black asking? Some very white shit on black entertainment television. What is going on? Though beyond the deserves an apology, but now. Okay well. I just have two quick things and then I'll be out first of all BRIANNA. Taylor is not a joke. She's not a meme is not. A cute little funny trending topic. She's not a tick tock template. All these things that you guys seem to think are cute and fun are not appropriate for talking about her death and I understand that. maybe y'all feel like anything to get it to trend or anything to get it shared or liked or reposted or re tweeted and you know if it gets more people to care, then you know. How you get there doesn't really matter, but I personally feel like it absolutely does I. don't WanNa see Brianna Taylor's name stamped in very tiny font on nobody else's ass. I don't WanNa. See it in no more memes about shit I just don't. Yes I don't maybe you haven't come across any of this, but more and more lately over the past week, or so I have seen these names of people like just basically making. I mean so the thing is. They're not necessarily making a joke out of her death, but they are talking about her death as if it is a joke like you are. You're meaning this. You're turning this woman. And the pain that her family is going through like this isn't this. Isn't that like? It doesn't have to be done that way? Please respect Brianna. Taylor Yada. mean the fuck out of nobody else who was murdered by the police or anybody else, so please just leave that shit alone if you can't talk about her without making it a joke or trying to trick people into giving Shit, then find another way to do it, but like I'm all over it and I hate it. Yeah I have seen I think at most like some of those things where it's like a troll thread where they say something like. You know. Ways IANSA, terrible singer ran. That's actually links to like, are you? Yeah stuff like that and I'm like. Okay Yes so I mean I saw those, and those didn't really bother me, but it's graduated now into means, and that's what I'm like. Okay. I'm putting. My fucking fled down. This isn't a joke. This is real life, so please take seriously. We don't even know the name of the officer who killed Tony mcdaid. We don't even know the name of that person like this isn't nothing about what's happening is a joke or funny, but anyway. Now I'm talking about something else. That was related to my next read so. We just talked about the bt awards and how you know overall. It was a fun show, and they really did a great job with making the best out of corona virus, and that's true and I think if anybody else is going to do an award show probably over the next couple of years in bt. Set The bar pretty damn high, but. Every time beats. He does something. The Trans Women that follow make sure to make note of their erasure in whatever the event is and is kind of like they are expected suggests. Be Happy whatever they were given, or it's right like Oh. My God pose like if you just say the word or whatever then they just supposed to be like Oh my God. Thank you so much bought block so. A trans. Woman named Amara Jones I guess she shot this commercial with McDonald's, and it was supposed to air during the bt awards, and is just a fifteen second very short, and she's like you know what it basically sums up to is while we're talking about black lives. Black Trans people have a message. Stop fucking killing us like we matter to, or whatever and I guess that was too damn scandalous for bt because Mrs Jones tweeted. Bt pulled at at the last minute last night from the BT. Awards is hard to conclude anything. The platform is transphobic as Anjelica Ross and B.. Scott unfailingly point out site. Black women intentional in visibility is why our thoughts are heard. This. Now. Is Bad enough that I didn't watch. The whole show is bad enough that y'all already act like mentioning Trans People. Is You know just a fad like it's just Paprika? You can just toss a little bit of this shit in there and you know it. That's enough, or that's plenty, but. For. For McDonald's to have done this, and then for bt according to Amar Jones to have been like. Yeah, NO FUCK! That is kind of blowing. My mind because McDonalds has put out. All hines of terrible marketing that has aired on bt. All of my life girl. You GotTa Ten. PS Don't be stingy I know yeah I. Remember that time when McDonald's was turning every fucking jingle every fucking commercial into rb saw. Every time I see a McDonald's ad today. Especially, the ones for the current goings on I'm like Right like? McDonalds McDonalds has done. So many different ads that I would think a black centered network would be like. Maybe you could do a little bit less of the stereotypes or like. A? Little bit less of the blatant bullshit, but the minute that a trans woman has something valid to say which is, stop fucking killing US y'all decided. That's not worthy of being aired on your. During the BT awards. Why is it I would truly love to know I. Hope Somebody at bt. Response to these claims out. We find out why the decision was made, but it wouldn't shock me if y'all is fucking transphobic and was like well. This is just going to divide the community and we need better than that, and now it's not the time. Always the fucking time like I said before, if y'all not reaching back and grabbing the people who are more marginalized than you than whatever you doing his bullshit and is simply will not last. It will not stand. You have to care about Black Trans, people you do or the liberation is Never GonNa get here I. Don't know how much simpler to make it for you, it's. Black Trans. People are people, and they deserve the same love respect safety that the rest of us are fighting for that. The rest of us are asking for stop acting like they don't matter. When we see news stories, two or three times a week of some other black trans girl murdered by some Nigger, or whatever like why is that not something that we can talk about? Why can't we say hey, stop killing us in fucking advertisement and had and have that air on a black network or network shows black programming. I should say. Why can't that be something that celebrated? Bt I would love to know. Please send me an email. Please you know release something Iowa's Presley a tweet. Whatever something on instagram whatever you feel the need to do. I would love to know why Amar Jones's at was pulled from your network I would love to hear the explanation for this. Please make it make sense because right now it doesn't. How much more blatant can you make it like? It's all y'all already. Do the bare fuck minimum when you do anything to talk about transpeople. How long did it take to even acknowledge how incredible pose was in everything that it had done, and like how is just like smashing barriers and groundbreaking in? How long did it take you all to even acknowledge that black? ASS CAST If TRANSPHOBIA IS GONNA. Keep you from Karen about us. Then you just don't. You can't really be for black lives. because. You are flat out, saying these black lives don't mean shit to me. These black laws need to sit in the fucking back and take scripts that they can get while the rest of US fight for our equality or even better y'all tell those same margin less people that they should be showing up, and they should be marching, and it's all of us and you. Black lives matter automatically means all of us y'all sound like the fucking colonizers. y'All sound like the allows matter niggers. If automatically included all of us, we wouldn't have to say somethin'. Hello Stop fucking killing. US Stop fucking kill entrance. Women Stop fucking killing transmission. Reach back and help the people who needed the fucking mouse, or get the fuck gone somewhere. And it. Is Straight like that. There's no explanation for it I. Would I really want bt to address these claims? If they say not, it's not true. We never booked the AD. If they say well, you know we all sold and bought. Just say something. Please let me know how this happened. Please let me know how we got here. Because this woman's completely inoffensive, it's fifteen seconds. Is Hey Black Trans women have a message. Don't fucking murderous. How what? Beats, I'M GONNA give bt they promise when they get right. But when you get it wrong, you just go have to do better you ignoring a whole segment of the community that needs the fucking outreach the most. They need the help the most. They need the visibility the most they need to stop killing them. That should be shared on your platform if you claim to care about black people and that's it. All right well, that's this week's episode of the Yes that wraps up week's episode. CHECK US out on social media at this is the read our website is. This is the DOT COM I can't think of any news because every day the same but trendy. You have anything before we get out here. Yes this week for me and my little things that made me smile I. Call it a happy meal. It's three things that I found joyous. This week. One. Swimming's common animal crossing next month. That's right. You'll be able to go deep sea diving in the ocean, an animal crossing finally so that's pretty great, also my best friend's niece. got a birthday cake for third birthday shoes, a little superhero on the cake, and it was one of the cutest thing I've ever seen. Because apparently, lily loves superheroes so I'm already team her because I flunked to. Last, but not least yesterday I was playing with link and she fired it and I. Thought it was funny. Because usually your dog farce on its silent deadly, but that time knows playing around in a hurry. A Little Poo- realized that she fired it, and it's like the first time I've actually heard a dog far, and it was hilarious. Like Oh my God. Did you unit or just go on a C. D.? C. Always does that one. She farts in I reacts who is usually so just be laying there and SMELLY, and I'll be like lick. My God bits. What the fuck is wrong because you know dog like animals when they've had. Like Fresh deck. And then shows look at me like I. Don't know what she wasn't supposed to hold it in. Like Whoa, excuse me, she. So, but that one time effect I heard it was just I laughed out loud for a ridiculous amount of time. I love this three things that brought you joy thing. I hope we get more of that and. I'm not promising anything. I mean and and extend that to the rest of UNITA's. Please find your joy wherever you can get it. Take your breaks. Get you arrest. and you know. Let's keep moving. The fight continues. I just realized we didn't introduce ourselves anybody this week. So and that I'm on Aches Jane. Okay and I am Angela. Bassett and that was the eight.

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