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PlayStation Had a Big Gamescom (Without Its Own Showcase) - Beyond Episode 715

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PlayStation Had a Big Gamescom (Without Its Own Showcase) - Beyond Episode 715

"Hello and welcome to a very special games. Come studio episode of podcast. Yana weekly playstation show. I'm your host brian. Altana with me today. Is mexico ville jonathan dornbush and lucy. O'brien i didn't know which which which version of you guys were going to pop up. Which order but i'm glad you're all here beyond friends. Hello the games the odd Well This was not exactly a big big playstation show. Right like this wasn't. We didn't really get a big playstation showcase or like a e. Three shaped press conference really anything specifically from them. But we did get some great news and Some sort of like playstation adjacent stories and stuff like that. So that's very cool so let's break down some of the biggest things that happened First of all obviously horizon Got some updates brand new release date for the upcoming horizon game and anew patch for horizon zero dawn which just five just sort of quietly during the middle of the show which is a nicer person. Sony's has been A little perplexing. But let's get into that jonathan. Tell us about the horizon. Forbidden west release date We know it's february. Eighteenth twenty twenty two on ps four and five. How do you feel about this. I mean i think it totally makes sense. You know this is We're a few weeks out from those reports where we were going to get where we learned that there was supposedly a delay for horizon and sony never commented at that point. My guess is because they wanted to actually put a specific released date to it. And they weren't just you know Wanting to put out a message of like we're moving to two thousand twenty two. They wanted to move specifically to a specific date So i think february it looks great. It's you know. It's the time of year when the original horizon launched. So i think it's gonna be a probably a pretty good time to lunch or horizon sequel. Yeah lucy what are you. What are your thoughts. Here are your. You're excited for this game right. Oh definitely I mean in terms of the release date delay. I think the messaging of it was really well. Handled like it was presented to something. That was quite celebratory as opposed to. We're really sorry. But we've delayed this game The reports obviously quite watertight And the messaging was we needed to give out team some work life balance like the pandemic is real. The pandemic has been a background saying during the making of this game and over lifelock missing was really healthy. And celebratory in. And i'd like to see more of that when it comes to delays rather than. Oh this is such a bummer way. Really sorry there's nothing to apologize for. This is the right move. I totally agree actually really appreciate the sort of like video messaging rather than just like the rectangular j. peg on twitter. I feel like cyberpunk did that for so long that it just became like me at this point that if you delay a game using an image on social media it just doesn't have the same heart as you know getting some figureheads from the studio b like we're hard at work We're really proud of it but Things are difficult right now. So we're gonna take sweet time. We'll see you in a few months now. The j. peg is like texting to say you're gonna be late but like really kind of phone and in. I'm sort of like as much as i would love to sort of get my hands on a big huge open world game this fall I'm kind of okay with you. Know with a february release. The first one came out Was that it was like a march release. I think and it was february. Twenty seventeen okay. Yeah so that's they've got a pretty good luck with that with that window there. And i don't know i think were sort of accustomed to huge game coming out in the fall and frequently. There's almost like you're almost overwhelmed by that. But i feel like we're more and more sort of seeing this games. Kind of stakeout their own little corners of of the year. When they come out so this is you know. that's cool. And i also like to lucy's point like it's a very healthy very healthy reason the push again and be like hey and also like i appreciate them not being not giving the ambiguous like. Hey everybody were sad to say. The game isn't ready yet. We'll have more news soon dispelled. Hey here's a release date and it's still totally possible it gets pushed again. That sort of thing does happen. But it's it's a we have a date. That's that's cool to go swimming now. In twenty seventeen horizon zero done did launch in february and just a few weeks later breath of the wild came out. And i know people get upset when you sort of like a conjoined these games in your brain. But that's really just what happened at that period in time and we still have that sort of floating nebulous idea that breath of the wild to will happen at some point. Do you think that the these games will just be forever. You know sort of d'appel gang of each other like breath while to come out very close to this and compete for time again. I remember i. I believe the original horizon sold around ten million units and breath. Wild has sold around twenty two twenty three so far so you know. There's both were wildly successful. But i feel like one sort of dominated the conversation for a while there. I mean we also got that funny thing. Were there deal sees were announced right alongside each as well there. Is this sort of this repeated pattern. i mean. Obviously i know. We're not nintendo voice chat but you can always of course check out there. I feel like personally. There's no way breath of the while to comes out that early next year. I don't like if that game even hits before the fall. I'd be shocked. So i don't expect them to go head to head. I think it would be hilarious. If timing worked out that way but at this point i'm not quite expecting it and the beginning of two thousand twenty two is already pretty packed with like big game so breath allowed can kind of go whenever it's ready and i'm sure they'll be fine and we date had grave like one thing that i just want to just quickly mention is that i always really dislike those comparisons of someone who reviewed the original horizon zero doin- and also adored breath at the wild. I got really frustrated when people were like. Well it's basically the same game because he's going to an error fell on your head. That's what name they really really different games. And i i was also i. Don't blame people jumping ship from horizon to britain the wild at the time because the wild ed's As he said altana dominated conversation. I i agree with Britain welter is going to come out february. Next it's just not going to happen if it does. It'll be really bummed. Like i get that. It's going to be ironic fun of you know. It's hilarious rights. Like no way. I felt really bad that the original horizon head to sort of containment that i read. I read a rumor on game. Facts that said that Horizon actually breath and while copied all of horizon in the two week window between those two games came. They actually saved a file of horizon as dot switch to the carts. And that's how it works. The same sort of full circle thing is a lot of people have drawn comparison to an impact making a few Taking some hints from breath of the wild Stylistically mechanically And then they went ahead and put alloy in against an impact. So what's going on here. Know yeah. I do appreciate that that. That is sort of funny. You know a little anecdote right there now One of the i always forget. This game takes place in san francisco and it's funny to see like a dilapidated diner in the background. So when we started this year. Or especially i think when we when we pre-ordered ps fives last year. We're going back to the old times now And we got our. Ps fives in the mail. You know we're some of those lucky few people that were able to secure preorder. I know so many of you are still fighting for those out. There was this idea that twenty twenty one was going to be horizon in god of war. Those were the big big tent. Pole games big playstation. I party exclusives happening this year. Now obviously we did get some other stuff. We got ratchet other things here and there but Those games have now. A hundred officially slipped into twenty twenty. Two meeting that playstation doesn't really have any big first party games this fall. Obviously there's debt stranding directors cup which was talking about in a second. But how do you feel about that. Do you think does it does it matter. Are we worried. Are we worried about the billionaire company. Not having any because of this fall. I'm i'm shaking in my. I know this is something. We talked this week about on next gen console watch sony. Pretty historically doesn't put games out in the fall. They like other than the. Ps fives launch last year. And you know spiderman in september de-stressing notwithstanding they typically for most of the beginning of the the life cycle left the fault of the third parties for the ps four and put out their games like uncharted. Like the last of us. Partout like ghost Like so many others in the first half of the year so it kind of just feels par for the course and like you said we got ratchet. We got attornal. We're going to get a bunch of third parties. Excuse me this fall also. I think we'll be okay. I think the the multibillion dollar company will survive. Max feel about that. You're you're busy right. You have a lot of a lot of stuff to play this fall. You're going to be okay. i'm fine. I mean you think about how many people are still hankering to get their hands on a ps five I feel like sony's more likely to put out a bundle when we heard about that. Sort of newer slight need a slightly lighter version of the. Ps five that's sort of hitting some territories and i. It wouldn't surprise me if we saw like. Oh it's the spiderman bundle that you know because that's a hugely popular game Like why why. Worry on trying to ship a brand new game for this system that owned gate their hands on when you could focus more on getting that system in people's hands And of course there are also. I don't know there's there's a lot of a lot of these games are coming to. Ps for nps five So yeah i again. I think. I think it's gonna be. It's funny to think of death stranding as being like their big holiday release because that's such a bizarre obtuse game that is you know it's hard to imagine somebody just opening that up on christmas morning and being like oh boy. The sad mailman game okay. I'll check it out and we've got death loop the xbox now published so we're here playstation exclusive programs timeline. We did a mention it briefly earlier. We did get a quick update on horizons iran which is available now. It's been available for years as we talked about but it got it got some big sort of technical upgrades on ps five lucy. You review that game do you or do you have any plans to jump back in there and sort of refresh yourself before a february in the the comes out. Definitely i you know. I i feel like a record recode at this point because i said this many times that when i played horizons zero to one I was it was the best looking game. I played on the playstation four two dice. Yeah and the me is sort of on so excited to say what this full k. Sixty frames pacific Update is gonna look like on the ps five. I just think it's such a beautiful. Will i think there's so much sort of grandia. Smith's that's not a word grandiosity. What other what other made up. Where can i say something as there's so much randi oceanus grandiose big beautiful wells end those machines so intimidating and ridiculous and i'm just really excited jumping again. I think i'm actually gonna do a full place i mean. I know there's a lot like we've got a lot of a penalty. Shame right now. But like i am very keen to jump back into that game. Now that it's got this this quality of life upgrade. I'm very excited. No i'm with you. I feel like the pandemics all about going back to comfort. Food games for me some very down to play that one again but we do have to take a very quick break but coming up in just a bit. We're going to break down. Some of the biggest indian third party games coming to playstation in lieu of all those triple eight. I party exclusives so do not go anywhere because we back with more podcast beyond et games comes to you live right after this. Welcome back to podcast beyond our weekly playstation show here at jin were right in the thick of games. Calm right now actually. I don't like saying that expression. I'm never going say it again. I'm never going to say that's a very bad expression. And i'm done seeing it anyway. Games is happening right now and lots of really cool. New games are coming to playstation. So let's talk about starting with jet. The far shore which comes out in october the game. It looks red and jonathan. You've actually played it already. Tell us about this game. So i've played. Probably i wanna say maybe four or so hours of it I played a good chunk on a a pc preview build but it is coming to both ps four nps five. This is the latest game from super brothers. who are the creators of the beloved sorcery. But they haven't really made another game since then they've been pretty quiet but I didn't really know what to expect going into this game. It was revealed back at the june. Ps five showcase last year as one of the big indies coming to to psi. It got delayed a little bit and what not october release. And we've seen gameplay since then but i. I still didn't have a sense of what you'd actually be doing in the game and after playing this is one of those games are i. It is both hard to explain. And also i don't wanna stop explaining it because it's interesting and weird It's one of those games that i really really hope people people check out and don't sleep on because it's so singular to me in a certain way. So essentially the setup is you are this space explorer who is part of expedition That is going out in search of this thing known as the him wave and the him wave is a thing that this society that you're a part of has been spending generations trying to build toward finding essentially like they believe it's their salvation. It's sort of like a mix of religion and science sort of belief system going on here and finally you are one of the people who will be going out into space to find the hemingway of And so you're set out on this journey and primarily. There are some like first person Interactive scenes where. You're talking to other characters getting learn a little bit about the world but primarily. You're playing in a jet which is a jet just with two ts And it's a game where you're essentially researching world surfing around the surface of jumping from like skimming the ocean to skimming the land using some of the alien flora and fauna to like. Oh this sort of seed. I've discovered happens to be explosive if hurled. So i'm going to throw it to open up a pathway over here. Or oh if i lied these animals over here. They cause vapor to omit and the vapor helps keep my engine's running more smoothly because the vapor on the world helps keep the the pressure down. It's it sounds all weird and disparate but it is like the the best thing i can say about the game is that it it imbued the sense of wonder and off in like it's trying to capture the excitement and the trepidation and fear of space travel and it it pulls it off. It's really cool. I'm getting on the way you're describing. There's there's like sort of notes of no-man's sky a little bit. I hate to just sort of like you know pigeonhole this but it also feels Sad like there's sort of like inherent. Yes i've missed his. No there there is. It's it's both sad and exciting and that sort of thing is like together. The hardest spaces is sort of a lonely experience in. Yes you're going on with this group but the way this world is sort of like desolate that you're exploring and your you know your essentially invading this world. The don't belong there but you believe you're on this mission. Your team believes they have to be here. And they're compelled to come here and so there is like the thing that i love about. This game is the moods. It's evoking in me as i'm playing. It is that joy in that wonder of like controlling. the ship is like controlling a skater. Tony hawk based skate ship like it. It nails that sort of like movement and speed and you can do little hops and dodd rolls and like hitting those different little vapor points to keep going at the top speed that you want to and then pulling like a sharp curve up amount inside. Is this incredible cool feeling. But also you're like oh i need to go sort of explorer. You see in some of the footage what that strange obelisk sort of pyramid thing is in the background. So there's a little bit of journey there. it's i. I'm with you like i kept trying to pigeonhole it into like sort of. No man's sky meets the outer wilds meets journey or You know meets at x. y. z. By it really like singular in kind of how it meshes all those things together and it does have like a structure to it. You are sort of going like mission by mission you're giving you know in one mission explore this outcropping and learn as much about the different animals in the different plans as you can and kind of get a sense of what you can actually do on this world. Another is oh. Let's go to that interesting. Obelisks sorta thing like there's there are actual missions not just set out onto the world left to do anything like nomads guy. there is structure to it. But i'm getting some real like relates scott alien but not just not just the alien lake sort of series but specifically his vision for alien which is alien and then prometheus in covenant is. So you've got like a very kind of seventies a spaceship. Interior design vibe with obelisks and all the strange objects that are imbued with huge amounts of meaning in in history. That feels very much like his kind of prequel Ideas like aesthetically. It's very much reminding me of and it's it's all of that in one rather than like peace out over decades. Yeah it's it's really smart about how it does all that out and like the thing that i love about. It are the things that are almost like indescribable on an emotional level. Like it was. This sounds very cliche. And i know it's extremely hyperbolic but just getting to pilot the jet for the first time like when you're set out was one of those like oh. This is why i play video games. Sorta moments like it was one of those. Oh this is just such a wonderful unique fun experience. And i am controlling the ship and i'm not doing anything too crazy but there was just something like serene and done about it but like actually said there is this creeping undertone of sadness and worry and mystery because it is like this is what a civilization has been building for generations to get to. And now you're part of it and it's like. Is it living up to their expectations. What is not sitting right with them. What is sitting right. There's like beautiful incredible of like grandiose elements of like some of the animals you encounter and things it so cool and i don't want to say too many specifics because i genuinely don't want to spoil this experience but it feels like one of those things where i remember Outer wild coming out and people are like. I can't tell you anything about it but i loved it and you need to go play it. This feels like one of those things and it's not like a time loop game where you're sort of thing but it is. It's a really special experience from what i play. Your spaceship isn't made a woman. You're not chasing banjo music. That sounds great. Yeah it's it's a little bit of a the v. Soundtrack is by a scientific does a lot of great video game scores including the oxen. Free score which i adore. So it's a really moody really residents or a sound that i think again captures those moods. This game is so much about the moves of oaks and and letting you piece together. What you care about the story with your own emotions like it's genuinely in moving so you mentioned there being missions. I'm curious like sort of structurally. Does it feel like does feel like unexplored territory you just kind of pick a direction and go. Are you sort of in or is there a way point are you is it. Is it open world. I guess. I'm i'm just sort of curious about of how you go from point to point and no totally so the way at least the the bit of the game. I was playing. That kind of happened over a couple days on the planet like in some of the game play you can see us kind of Dropping into the atmosphere that is like the first mission out on this planet and you spend a day exploring because you are essentially the lead explores. You're the first one's kind of put out there to go explore and find a good place for everyone else to land still up in the space station so your charting the territory and the game lead you along to places so it's like there is a pretty wide expanse of ocean that you can kind of just be surfing around and explore but your eventually led to go to like but there is an island over here that might be a good habitat for us to go explore. We should go over there and there was a way point on your map that leads you there. There are constraints but never felt constraining. If that i'm guessing you can't just land anywhere and get out and walk around. There's like certain sort of hubs that you can exactly and eventually like without spoiling it again but it is something. We're allowed to talk about like you. Do you can see it. In some of the footage there is a mission control base. That you eventually you know plunked down on the planet and that sort of where you go out from to do your missions going forward. Sorta thing cool. yeah i imagine. You're gonna have a full written preview for this camera. Yeah we have a written and video preview up so people go check that if they they wanna see a little bit more. It's as story spoiler free as possible because again. It's it's the thing that i think you want to witness that for yourself. The first time around but yeah that is jet. The far shore comes out in october. So you don't have to wait too long We also got a new look at seafood. Which is coming february twenty-second which is now four days after horizon. Forbidden which is kind of crazy that we went from being like where the playstation games and now we have these these. These games are coming out back to back very very different. obviously who. who's excited for this. Because i know i am. He can't pay me. Remember sleeping with that number. That horrifically underrated sleeping. Dogs are the best open world games where you could beat the crap out of somebody with like a fish. I'm so stoked on this. And when they were like yeah. I mean i feel like some of the stuff we saw made it look a little more sort of cinematic camera angle wise. And in this case there were like ed's kinda like arkham combat and. I'm like you know what it's been says. We had that. I'm super down with a kung-fu setting. I love. how stylized as is minimally and like doing that stuff like flipping dude into a you know a shell full pottery or watermelons or whatever super it and also like it. Seems like there's that kind of you know robe-like Element to it where you die and then you come back and you're older which is sort of how i feel playing games. That are heart. I love the art direction in this game. Especially some of the lighting some of the more sort of like neon magenta areas especially but just like all the characters look super clean. You know you've got some splashes of blood here and there and some incredible lighting. But all in all i really appreciate. Just how cinematic this game looks very overused descriptors but I dig it like. I feel like we don't get enough games like this anymore. This is. i've been replaying river. City ransom like the original one. And this and this this feels like you know in the same way that yakkers games do that. This feels evocative of of of the beat him from that era but obviously a lot more stylized which i'm totally all about. This is detailed in the right places like there's a lot of it that's very minimalist but then there's clearly parts that are you know there's a lot of focus on it and i think it's what was there was their last game Absolve zone. Yeah like that was obviously very kind of you know low poly and i think this is like it feels like a step up in that area. But there's there's a little more to look at. There's a lot more of visual density and i'm i think they've found really really good sweet spot aesthetically well if you like characters Do some butt-kicking. We are going to take a very quick break but when we back we are talking about new games in the marble. Saints wrote ninja turtles and lego stores universes. I feel like all those universities are going to be one universe someday. Thanks disney I cannot wait for all those things. But in the meantime don't go anywhere because we will be right back with more podcast beyond a games the alive right after this. Hello and welcome back to pass beyond part of this year's games come studio show right here at jin right now. We're talking about the big games coming playstation soon and soon ish so let's get right into it starting with the brand new announced midnight sons Marble and calm coming together at last. Jonathan you're excited lucille excited for afford. I'm excited for it max. You're the biggest comic book fan on this panel. What's what's the story of this game. So this is this is all new story which is is kind of a relief. Because if you're you know if there's a lot of marvel baggage to unpack this is kind of a reinterpretation of a team. That i believe debuted in the early nineties and basically it from this out of the universe is kind of gone to hell. And so all of earth's mightiest heroes the avengers and you know the other. Other ones have teamed up to the fight the bad demons and the bad guys. And so you've got kind of the occult side of marvel so you've got like doctor strange and blade and ghostwriter and then there's also like wolverine and you know ironman eleven Be so the whole. It's a whole new kind of unique university of they've created this original setup which i'm excited about for access you know. Obviously a lot of comparisons can be drawn. But they've kind of stressed that this is you know less about making you feel powerless. Like you do an x. Calm and a little more about being superhero. I don't think they're they're messing with the permits so much it's They wanna have a a style. That makes it immediately. Recognisable as its own thing which i don't think means specifically everyone's gonna be worried yellow and black armor with with ruins on it but you know they're obviously there's going to be like costume changes the thing. I'm most excited about here. Is that in addition to sort of turn based tactical rpg. Gameplay there's also going to be like a social hub which they they kind of like in the normandy in mass effect where you basically can go back and you can have relationship not romantic relationships but like friendships with different marvel heroes Which will be interesting because you're playing as an original character. Who's the hunter. Or i guess the not not the hunters that's dc character. But you can kind of choose your krieger and character your own gender and everything and Kind of determine how you interact with these different characters at your little your little homebase. But it's it's you know it's uncharted territory. Like it's completely its own own. You know infinite arthur. Whatever it's its own its own time line. And i'm i don't know for accesses. Their ex cop speaks for itself. They know what they're doing over there. They make some really cool games and From the sound of it like the the people marvel games are big like x com dorks and they basically were like pretty stoked about working with access and they know what the studios capable of. So it doesn't sound like it's going to be one of the situations where you know you've got you know an ip holder forcing a studio to get out of their comfort zone. It sounds like they're kind of like you know players strengths. Do your thing take readers and have fun with it. We had the dubs on our show on our show just the other day. And they they were talking about how marvel- came to them with the pitch because they are compounds. I think that's super cool. It's really awesome to see marble games sort of like branching out in so many different directions. You know we're getting so many movies and tv shows action figures all that comic books obviously still forever but to see so many different games in so many different genres happening at the same time is super super cool. I just want to add that. I love love. Love the aesthetic of this that the nineteenth trading catis Gorgeous like foiled trading cards that marvel released during the nineties. Every single shot of this trailer is like one of those cards. How they've they've completely placed it in a very kind of nineties aesthetic. And i'm just so here for this game you know what you know. What's cool about this is that it looks nothing like the like. It's not even go anywhere near. it's totally doing. its own thing. They didn't try to make. I don't know they didn't try to make doctor. Strange looks like benedict cumberbatch. They didn't try to make wolverine look like hugh jackman. It's looks like it's own. Its own game. Which i'm very relieved about not to throw shade at any other marvel gangs now totally I wanna talk about saints route. Because i'm a huge fan of the series. I know a bunch of you are It's been what almost nine nine years since we've gotten new. Gte game the last one. We got ta five out again this fall. I believe Calm but but in the meantime saints wrote was a franchise that sort of like ran in parallel with. Gte for a very long time. You know it had its ups and downs It started out kind of a little sort of grounded a little bit and then got totally over the top and then went into superhero stuff You know there was a thing in one of the games where you were the president yet. Blowups it's just it got crazy but cena was back. We got a brand new. Sort of tone piece teaser. Followed up by a some game. Play on jeff. Kelly's opening night live. I'm really excited for this game. I feel like it's obviously a you know a lot more colorful and a little bit more modernized and i think some people were expecting but you know this is going to be the biggest city we've seen so far the franchise it's obviously over the top There's three different sort of gangs running in perpetuity right now and you've got dune buggies sci-fi weapons explosions. You can create your own character. I'm really excited to see saints row coming back. I miss open. World games like this How do you feel about us. I'm a jury is still out. I'm very happy we're getting new saints row. This is a little bit divisive for a lot of people. But i'm willing to give it a chance because the thing with saints row has always been you create your own character like you can go completely nuts. They've said this is going to be the most robust character creator. You have yet Various if that's going to extend to like what your gang looks like I see people like talking about how you're basically playing is like a bunch of a bunch of kids you know. Maybe it's the fact that we've all gotten a lot older since the last saints rogaine came out but i don't know it's a new setting. It's nice to not revisit that same steel map. Whether it's like the the matrix or brian lehrer version or whatever but Yeah i'm i'm just i don't know i'm i'm interested to see what they do with it like i. I played the played saints row. Three as like a very overweight adam sandler with like an m forty one pulse rifle alien so like they show in. The trailer is usually not indicative of what your experience is going to be. You know and i mean they. They said there's character creation. And there's vitale jets and there's crazy weapons in like that. Sounds like they're you know it's not agents of mayhem like it's not a hero shooter. It's a saints row game. It's a big world saints row game. So that's you know. That's what i want to hear. More of Yeah it's very trail was extremely polished. Which which is great for a trailer in the stand the thinking behind that. But when i'm when i'm picturing saints roar it's not just about like 'cause flying through the air it's It's about like the more ridiculous things you can do with your characters and and and the world itself so this is a great little taste but i'd indifferently came to see more again. I'm very places is happening. I love as as mentioned. I love i love or promote games Like this where the whole ideas to wreck havoc But yeah i just kind of want to a little bit more of the chew pizzi behind it. Because that's that's what set of waves through saints. Rose veins me. i agree. yeah it was always about magnifying. The the the sort of goofy parts of gte with right you know ufo's and jet packs and stuff like that and Gte really kind of moved away from a lot of that. Obviously they roll out of that. The gti mind. But i saw people comparing this to watch dogs to in a negative way. And i personally like i feel like a lot of people loved watchdog too. I think that sort of vibrant Fund sort of street gang approach also still murders stuff is is is a cool aesthetic But anyway speaking of street gangs. I do wanna move onto one of the most vicious street gangs in the history of pop culture. That's the ninja turtles and they are coming back with. Tnt shredders revenge and we got a really cool thing that happened yesterday. where dot mo. Who's developing this game. Did the recent streets of rage games They added april as a playable character. Who now literally drops the mic and wipes her came around. Beat up people jonathan. Are you excited this game yet. Totally i like. I am definitely. I would say it's probably easy to say. I'm not the biggest. Tnt fan on the on the cast. Right now. i feel like it's hard to take that crown. But i grew up with the the arcade game being like such a staple of my life And so to have a game like this from such pedigree as them like. I loved what they did. Streets each four. I'm really excited about this as a kid who had a stupidly huge crush on april. O'neil often. I'm glad she's in the game and i will play in this version of and i'm i'm really excited and everything we've seen from. That just seems like they. They know how to nail the style and the feel and what people are looking for inner in arcade revival like this. So i i can't wait to play yet to me. It feels like we might This might lead to dlc with casey jones. Maybe some other characters may splinter But yeah this game still a little ways away but it just so gorgeous and it's totally hitting the right notes for me in terms of like an old school arcade Sal beat him up the pixel arts amazing. There was something in the last trailer. Where like all the all the foot soldiers are like typing on computers and the turtles run in and they just jump out of their cubicle desks and start fighting. That's awesome Lastly i did want to move onto lego star wars which is like one of the biggest games for our audience. Every new trailer for that game does half a million views. People are so excited for this game. We still do not have a release date for lego star wars. The skywalker saga a spring. Twenty twenty two is the closest. We're getting right now. But no solid date yet. Some new footage a ton of new characters. The game looks gorgeous. The lighting is awesome. I can't wait for this. Yeah i've been such a fan of the lego game since sirte which was star wars. And so like i totally trust and t- games. I assume they must be doing something huge with this because like no disrespect to them but they were able to turn out. Lego games like pretty regularly sort of down to two a year. At least minimum and this has been i feel like the longest development cycle. We've seen for one but it also feels like the most ambitious. They've ever done like they're trying to make the combat a little bit more tactile. I guess they've switched. Where the camera angle is. It seems to be a little bit more complex. It's it's more open world in terms of choosing where you get to go And obviously encompassing nine movies worth of cannon so it's not a small game by any means but yeah i'm like i'm more than willing to let them take their time. Just we've now known about it for it'll be close to two years by the time it comes out it comes out in the spring so i just. I can't wait to see what they've done with this one they. They know how to make a great game and and it feels like they're really upping the ante hair. Yup well we are going to take a very quick break but when we come back we're actually saying goodbye to jonathan and lucy and hello to mitchell saltzman who got a brand new behind closed doors. Look at a small game called elden ring and obviously maximum. I have a ton of questions for him. So we're going to pick his brain about alluring in just a minute. We will be back with the back. We'll be before podcast beyond held in ring right after this beyond boo back. This is podcast beyond games studio. Live on brand tunnel. Along with max go bill and mitchell saltzman who just got a behind the scenes. Look at the upcoming from soft game elden ring. One of the most anticipated games of two thousand. Twenty two dare. I say all time. Mitchell first of all were extremely jealous of you suck. I did it but it's good to see so you saw some brand new stuff from elder ring. You saw somebody playing the game in front of you. It's real it exists tells about it. Yeah so. I actually enough to kind of get to two experiences with during the first time i got to talk with you here talking as ocoee and just you know pigs brain about the game and this time i was given basically fifteen minute presentation and that fifteen minute kind of curated game play walkthrough of different different sections of the game and yeah. It's it really is they. Keep saying that's the culmination of everything that they've learned over the course of like dark. Souls game seco- bloodborne cetera. And it kind combines. A lot of those those learnings into this gigantic open world. That also has these. They're called legacy dungeons and those are kind of the more. Traditional dark souls guided areas. Where you you know there's a lot branching paths. There's a lot of places you can. you know. Find hidden hidden alcoves to find really cool items weapons and then they're punctuated by these gigantic boss fights so so yeah i got to. I got to see the way they split up. The open world is that they have open fields which are a typical open world. You wander around if feels like anything can happen. There's there was a moment in the gameplay demonstration. Where i i walked a to a group of enemies hang hang up by bonfires and all of a sudden dragged swoops in all the enemies out typical dark souls fashioned but then that turns into a boss fight and you have the choice of either fighting that dragon or running the hell away. There was also a moment where you you'd see like a caravan of enemies like a bunch of enemies all all guarding this treasure carriage. A make the choice. Do i want to engage them. Or do i want to just leave them alone and come back when i'm stronger. That's like the the big thing that i keep coming back to one things that sake. Sawn really harped on idea of freedom and choice. That's the big thing that i think separates elden ring from from their previous works. It's a game where you can really you mold it in the way that you really want to play the game. There's stealth now really viable option. There's some in so even if you don't want to engage with p. b. p. any summons kind of like castle bamieh simply or the catalina artists. Sarah where like you would kill enemy. You get their soul. And then you'd be you'd be able to use that seles part of your own little arsenal weapons and spells. So it's a ton of customer customization in your options. The summoned thing is one of the coolest things you could possibly tell me personally today. Because i like grinded on those enemies in areas are all the catalina games forever which you know. What's interesting about this. You mentioned like there's there's a lot more choice than ever before. I never really felt like those from south games. Were lacking in that department you have. You can choose from character classes. You know different starting gifts and stuff like that but it seems like they're opening that even more than ever. Now yeah for sure it. And that's one of the things that i talk about. It's it's on top of everything else that you already have in the in those games. Now have this option of doing stealth viable option. You now have the option of spending to summons as your main method of of dealing with tough scenarios. There was a moment in the game. Play where he came up on this enemy. Camp were like there was just a whole camp of enemies and he summons six dudes six. Pv monsters that all fight alongside of them and you just basically summons an army to help. Fight him to fight this. You know any encampment. And i actually asked them. I was like. Don't you think that that might make this a little bit too. Easy and Kitale son was the personnel talking to and he basically said like you know where well aware of the power of some of these summits and we kind of balanced it so that you know you get some some much later into the game. Some you actually have to spec into the path allows you to summon some of these more powerful ones. so it's all very calculated. Feels like i get the sense that that would be in some of the. It's like if you wanna do like arcane stuff in bloodborne. It's usually kind of tougher at the front half of the game. But then it gets towards the way i it that'd be the same deal with summons now talking about talking about how there's like legacy dungeons is this sort of like is this. Would you compare this to like sorta breath wild in that. There's this sort of the which didn't have dungeons but like there's different beasts that you can approach a order like you can just go to run into any direction and pick a dungeon and see what happens or so. I will say there. I think there are probably a little bit does a little bit of breadth of the wild in it because you have the spirit steed and there's a lot of verticality in buffalo wild right and i think in in the ring. Verticality is one of the big things after four in the open world. there's actually little platforms that you can go to while you're on your spirits seed you can leap up the on them and it'll just send flying into the air so they can leap onto you know the tops of cliffs awesome bets. That feels like something like was paying piggybacking off of seco- because that was one of the first games that made you go like. Oh i can go up there. That's cool yeah and also the seat can double jump. It doesn't seem like it takes fall damage so there seems to be a lot of freedom. Indeed the exploration of the open-field. What's different than breath. The while breath wild literally. You can go anywhere anytime you get a. You can tackle the four beasts at any time. I was told that there is an order. Elden ring like there are certain lacy dungeons that you might find earlier than you can get. They can actually explore them. Because you'll need something that you might get from one of the other legacy dungeons in order to get through. But also one of the things i want to. I want to make clear. There's a map in this game. would there's a there's a map bring up by pressing a button. You can actually collect map fragments to to build out the map that you have. And it's one of the coolest. Most stylish maps of ever seen like it's illustrated it's like cartographer in the actual world. Actually hand drew it. And there's like illustrations all over the place The way you you actually get you know the way you actually mark places you have a you know a set of markers put maps. You can put a a marker for like. There's an nbc over here. You put a marker were that says there's a. There's a really tough enemy over here. There's a dungeon entrance over here so it doesn't it doesn't it's not like one of those ubisoft things just bombarded with icons and You know way points. It's really just a matter of whatever you put on. The map is what it shows. What's interesting to me. is that you know. We're talking about flexibility in in terms of play styles. Your different spirits that you can bring it in stuff like that and i think some people are going to look at that and kind of be like. Oh you can make the game super easy if you stack a bunch of stuff on each other but i also see it as like there's going to be a ton of pro players that look at this as a challenge to go like i'm gonna bring one of the more to spirits with me to one of the hardest areas in the game and publish. Let's play of me just like dominating that's really cool thing about the long tail on the on. The soles games and from games in general is washing people. Beat them with you know guitar hero controllers and you know they're naked. They're fighting with just there as like a lot of fun stuff happens here now. Obviously you talked about the impromptu boss. Fight that happened. Were there any other bosses. You got the check out as as as part of his preview. Yeah so you know one of the things about the open field is that like. I said. It really feels like anything can happen. There's actually feel boss. That is just kind of hang out in in one of the locations. Where if you get close enough. It will just trigger a boss fight. There's no fog door. There's just a really tough enemy. That's guarding this spot. And then as i said the legacy dungeons are capped off by like a really big boss. Fight these lacey. Dungeons are basically the tacoma nation of one of the six areas of the games. And so there's demi gods at each of the end points of these legacy dungeons actually I don't know if you've been watching the the bureau but the boss fight di- did see was one of the ones that featured in the trailer. It's the guy with like the the fifty thousand hands. Five different weapons and his arm transforms into a dragon head So yeah so. That was the day that i got to see. It seemed like the most souls souls boss i've ever seen You know he. He has really big sweeping attacks with his acts. Has been a big ground pound Eventually it seems like there's a second form whereas armed transforms into that dragon head which gives him this unblock grab. They just grabs you with the dragon. Just spews firewall your insights mouth. It's very very cool. Now mitchell one last thing before we go and very very very quick. And i know you don't have the definitive answer here but do you think from soft will be able to stick to the january twenty first release date on this one. Don't ask me that. I won't be so heartbroken if they don't but also understand it looks like it's ready right or it looks like it's ready i. It looks like it's it's in a in a form that is not only playable but in a playable form that i really really really wanna play right now so i think know. I'm cautiously optimistic. Time game yes we visit. We need this game immediately. Elder ring january. Twenty first mitchell. You'll have a preview. We can read a can always for this game. We're all very very excited for it. In the meantime we've still got tons more games studio ahead including brand new looks really cool. Games like a on-drive arcade again in canada and tons more so stick around because games studio will be right back after this at until then beyond.

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Nintendo Switch OLED Model Announced - Kinda Funny Games Daily 07.06.21

Kinda Funny Games Daily

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Nintendo Switch OLED Model Announced - Kinda Funny Games Daily 07.06.21

"What's up everybody. Welcome to kind of funny games. Daily for tuesday july. Sixth twenty twenty one. I'm one of your host. Greg miller alongside the rogue one returning to kind of funny games daily. Gary widow might glorious return. It has been awhile right. I've missed the last couple of weeks for various reasons on projects. I assume soccer. You always got you come through. The sock has gotten in the way other work thing stuff of your things. But i have missed it. Glad to be back with you and on a big news day to perfect timing a huge news day ladies and gentlemen all kind of stuff are all said to jump into you but before we do that of course it might not be festivus. But let's have an airing of grievances twenty hours ago. Gary widow tweeted starting work on a new superhero comic today. So i thought some of you would be interested to see the script for the last one the batman story. I co wrote with a game over greg for the jokers eightieth anniversary. There's a grievance here. It'd be places how i have to find out. You're selling me up the river. You're working on a new superhero comic. No call the greg. This time i thought we were dynamic. Do i thought we were a team here. Gary i gonna ride your better. I'm sorry you had to find out this way. Greg a used you tossed you away like a parking ticket and you hate to see what i mean you hate to see. What can you tell us about your new superior comic. Nothing marla a greater working on it. I'm working on a comic. It's got you know people in silly outfits running around doing things that's about all i can tell you You're close to that but okay. Whatever you know. We'll talk about video games where we still have common ground ladies and gentlemen nintendo has announced a new nintendo switch and pretty much. Everybody is mad about it. There's a playstation state of play coming up on thursday in final fantasy. fourteen has broke. Its own concurrent record over on steam. 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Black jack today. We're brought to you by purple mattress in fit bod. But i'll tell you about that later for now. Let's begin the show. With what is an forever will be the rope report did it did they did it did it. Did new for adams. On the report beggars doesn't number one garry. A new nintendo switch has been announced in people are pissed kevin. I gave you a trailer to play. We will talk over it while it goes and i will let you know this news so groundbreaking gary then. When i woke up today at my alarm i rolled over to my beautiful wife. And the first she said is oh. You're going to have a good game. Daily the nintendo swish systems is about to gain a new member on october. Eighth nintendo switch parentheses led model. That's the official name will launch at a suggested retail price of three hundred and forty nine ninety nine giving people another option for how they want to play the vast library of games on the nintendo switch nintendo switch parentheses led. Model has a similar overall size. Nintendo's which system but with a larger vibrant seven inch led screen with vivid colors and crisp contrast nintendo to switch practicies led model also features a wide adjustable stand for tabletop mode a new dock with a wired land port sixty four gigabytes of internal storage. They don't say it. But that's double and enhanced audio for handheld and tabletop play just like nintendo switch nintendo switch parentheses led model allows players to play on the tv and share the detachable joy con controllers for right out of the box multiplayer fun nintendo switch parentheses led model launches on october eighth the same day. The metro dread game the next entry in the two d. metro saga. They kicked off with the original metro on and yes. When the system launches it will come into color options. Nintendo switch parentheses led model white set which features white joy con controllers a black main unit. Into white doc nintendo switch parentheses oh led model neon red slash neon blue set which features neon red and neon-blue joy con controllers. A black man unit. In the black doc all previously released joy cons for the nintendo switch are compatible with this new model. Additionally nintendo switch parentheses led model is compatible with the full library of nintendo switch games. Gary i saw my wife tell me. Hey it's going to be a good game. Daily people are really mad about this. Nintendo switch thing. I rubbed my eyes. She explained it's okay. And then i read about it in my first reaction was. Let's go instant preorder. I play my nintendo switch and hand held all the time a bigger screen awesome a better kick stand for when i'm playing on a plane and i got my Pro controller or when. I'm sitting around having a beer. And i wanted on table excellent. Let's go speakers whatever. I usually have it on mute. If i'm playing something without headphones anyway this'll give me the battery life seeing haman. Og switch person. This sounded like a dynamite submission to me however people are pissed. Gary where you right. Now i think is interesting that you and i represent very different use cases given the you can play hand-held plate. There's all kinds of different ways. You can play it. Put it on a table and you had whatever. There's all these different things that you see in the trailer showing you waging planning center switching different people in different ways. Some people like to play in all of those different ways. Some people gravitate more towards one than the other at you. And i are interested in that we do represent. I think different ends of that spectrum. We both tweeted out today. I i said the new ones. Probably not for me because a biggest greg given. I'm not. I'm just not a big handout. Gamer of never been a big hand. Held the occasional iphone mobile game but aside from that. Like when i use my switch is pretty much fused into its dock and connected to the tv. I very rarely pick it up and play as a hand held device us how i prefer to play and i think about the switch it accommodates you preference whatever it might be. You're the opposite. You like to play handheld so bigger better. Screen is a very exciting prospect for you for me. It makes almost no difference. Even things like the land of the idea that you've got like wired internet now on the switch. I paid twenty bucks for like a little. Usb dongo years ago that gives me land e for that so i. There's not really anything about that. I think it's nice the black and white aesthetics very cool as that playstation five vibe. Although i think it's more of an off-white pure start why it looks good. I i saw tim gettys frothing at the mouth over the aesthetics going to fit very well into his lifestyle into his aesthetic. He's got his place very much for you. Not for me. I think overall the reason why nintendo has decided to do this refresh and make this kind of a refresh a bigger better screen but not very much else. My guess is they have a lot of data that suggests there more people like you than there are like me. The hand held people really like to use the switch had held so the screen is a big deal for them making it bigger and better brighter lead overseas the best mobile screen technology out there. Still the screen is gonna look a lot bigger. Look a lot better. Going from six point two seventy. She doesn't sound like a big deal. But i guarantee when you see you'll go. Wow yeah it does actually look a lot. Bigger because that diagonal with diagonal growth is a big deal when you see slightly when you look at like for example the difference between an iphone an iphone like a pro and a pro max. The specifications on the size of the screen. Don't seem that different but when you actually put them next week. Wow one looks bigger than the other so i do think when people see it. They're gonna go yeah. This is a much bigger better screen so for people like you that wanna play on a hand held stop play held style a lot. I think is going to be a great upgrade for people like me who only really plays on the tv. It's not gonna make a big difference. Well that's the thing is i want to get into. I think both this and the playstation story. You're gonna get some hashtag hard truths lady gentleman about what video games are as a business and how it all works or whatever but before then i do wanna read over from kentucky mike. Fahey put up an editorial over there. That was he reads. The new lead switch wasn't what anyone was hoping for. I'm gonna jump to paragraphs in the mid where he's laying on his case gary he's on your side of fence most disappointed of all by this modest update to the switch hardware players like me who used the switch nearly exclusively in dock mode the new display means absolutely nothing dock moat metro dread launching alongside the new console version will look exactly the same on my monitor. No matter which switch. I use the kick san nothing. The enhanced speakers nothing the extra storage. Well i guess that's fine but for the sake of consistency. I'm going to say nothing. The building wired network port in the new docking station is neat. But i'm pretty sure. My older switch is going to fit in that new docking station. Just fine he's during the news Consoles dimensions are exactly the same instead. My new super nintendo switch pro hopes and dreams all hinged on the promise of enhanced power we dreamt a faster frame rates. We expected support for four k doc. Resolutions this is what all the early reports that and supposedly told us from the early twenty nineteen rumors up to this year's e three or the new model failed to surface four k. Was the one consistent. Expected feature how a four k. doc switch could have meant a full hd undocked switch but no we got the same seven twenty p undocked resolution and the same full. each deduct. gary. This i believe is something. We haven't really touched down right. Is where the unrest is coming from is the fact that the switch pro rumors have been reported everywhere here on this show. We went through bloomberg's report. We went through aegean reporting on other people. And all this stuff and the ball rolling and it was going to happen leading into this this ships. What is it the or whatever. We'll talk about it here in a second. Some of the questions. I if that hadn't happened what do you think the if we didn't have this rumor of switch pro and all the stuff. What would the reaction today. well i made. Its tweet about this earlier today. Apparently rubbed a lot of people. The wrong way. I said the reason why a lot of people are disappointed and the reason why a lot of people are mad at nintendo is the same reason why people get mad at nintendo. After every nintendo direct. Because we all wound up in our own room mill cycle expectations and false rumors and speculation. It's going to be this. It's going to be that. I made the point on twitter earlier today. Go to youtube and type in the words switch pro confirmed and look at the. I guarantee the unending procession of bullshit clicked by videos. Nintendo's doing this and he tenders doing that. I've got the ruse. Even people photo shopping like youtube thumb was of them holding switch pro. That doesn't exist. It's all lies it's all bullshit. It's all clicked bay. We all understand what that rumor mill ecosystem is like but this is when it actually i think becomes really really unproductive unhelpful. An unhelpful nintendo never said a word about what this new switch was going to be. They never even said a new one was coming out. This was only because it was all room is there was speculation. Some legitimate some but the problem is in the world of the all get smashed up in in the same thing and so we were led to believe not by nintendo but by pretty much everyone else that we were going to be getting a four k. Switch pro whatever you wanna call it this year intended over like we never said any of that is what you actually are getting surprise. He is the completely une hyped on trailed on you know promoted. We just dropping this on twitter today and because it's not what the rumor mill said it was gonna be will. We're all disappointed at nintendo. Maybe we should be disappointed in the rumor mill. Greg miller with his low expectations for nintendo. Not because i think they're bad just because you know my switches my rare treat at night. It's the am. I going to play my playstation. Am i gonna play my xbox then. There's the rare occasion of mario golf in animal crossing something. I'm turning on or a where i'm going to use it. In held note. And to be fair mike also lays out in his article. The use case of why. I'm so excited. Mike writes over at kentucky. Oh sure we get the we get the fancy. New seven inch led display. We've been hearing about since march. That's a market improvement over the current. Causal six point two inch lcd crisper and sharper combined with the new kick stan as as wide as the core switch unit in fully adjustable this new models huge upgrade for folks that like to play their switch in tabletop mode perhaps while drinking a large glass of refreshing iced. Tea motherfucker mike. I'm drinking beer. And it's a god damn thing i'm doing on every plane ride or i'm sitting in the airport with microcontroller when i don't have this this what is it. This fixture one amusing all time. Anyway back to mike. And i'm not going to ignore what an enhanced display will do for folks when they play their switch and hand-held move but gary what's fascinating about this and there's been so many a lot of garbage takes like you're talking about people who are just mad all the stuff but there's also been interesting double downs in explanations of who nintendo is kind of like you forgot who these people are like in the song forgot about dre. It's the idea. i think it was brian altana. Who's like the the people who released six different. Three bs models are doing this. I can't believe this market thing but to bring into this conversation. The first of many reader mail questions in many of them were upset. I wanna bring a kebabs. What's up of gd crew overnight nintendo announced the nintendo switch parentheses led model. What i'm wondering is what's the use case for the switch light with the o. Lead model being a better hand held device with the large screen. I personally struggle to see why anyone would get a light outside of the cheaper price point. Please educate me. Gary your household that has this switch like correct we have to just bafta cz. Yes so many gave awards you got. It's true i've never been. I've never been trending gamer. So well let's say with respect to kebab saying outside of the price point. Seems a bit dismissive to me. The price points of big fucking deal. How much something cost is a big deal to a lot of people and there is a big difference. Three one hundred ninety nine dollars and three hundred ninety nine or three hundred and forty nine. The say outside of the price point makes it sound like it's significant. It's significant price. Point is huge plus. It's smaller fewer moving parts for for a kid. It's the perfect choice. It's the perfect choice for my daughter. My daughter does not need a three hundred dollar. Full-size switch light with detachable joy. 'cause we have one in the house but she doesn't she never really asks about it or wants to play on it. She's perfectly happy with us which light. There's a reason why the switch light has sold. A lot is because there is a use case there is a there is a market for it. I don't wanna make. I wanna make a bigger point about the market here a lot of people today. We live in this bubble right. We live in. This internet hardcore gamer enthusiast bubble on twitter on the internet youtube. You name it here. We are right now talking about video games on the internet because we're enthusiasts we're passionate. We live for this stuff. We are not the broader market. We are thin. Sliver of the hard with a hard core market your egg. Hard truths ladies and gentlemen. This is going to play the next keep going gay. I guarantee you the vast majority of the market for the nintendo switch doesn't know or care about whether or not the new one has four k. They just want something cheap and convenient and fun with the nintendo branding. That has lots of games that makes them happy. My mother in law loves her nintendo switch. She probably plays it more than more than i do. More than my wife that. She is on nintendo's which all day long i guarantee you. She doesn't give a fuck about four k. She plays it hand held most of the time she might be excited about the biggest screen yet. I think that's why i didn't send went with the biggest green because they again nintendo knows more about its market than we do. I promise you and so. They've looked at their numbers. They looked at what selling what people will like the big if we can do if we can put our resources to anyone upgrade biggest grain is. What's going to excite the broader market more than four k. or less s. or any of this hardcore shit. They they know the market. They understand it very very well. Which is why they are. Just doing gangbusters with the switch right now in this switch lie and the suspect. This new one will sell very very well as well. You have to remember that when you go on twitter you go on youtube when you look at one kind of funny river you go on the internet. The kind of people. You're listening to you me. Everyone in the chat rooms. Everyone on twitter everyone in youtube. That's not the market. Now is a tiny fraction of the market is so passionate about video games that they that they post on youtube and they post chat rooms and they make youtube videos. That's a tiny fraction of the hardcore. And if nintendo only listened to them they would go out of business. They have a much bigger market to worry about. And it's people that care about just basic stuff is it. Cheap is he cannot afford it is easy to use. Does it have features that appeal to me. Four k. d. s. ray tracing shit. They don't know or care about it and it's very smart enough to understand what their market wants. Which is why they are doing so well. Right now And i think that's the biggest thing about it right so for the record. I cut out kebabs. Ps on his question. Which was i of course understand. Why switch light is. But i think this is a great jumping off point for what we're talking about right. The hashtag hard truths. Gary just nailed to be boiled. Down is guess. What like not every video game decision is made for you. And i include my. That's a royal you that's me. That's scary that's you listen. You're watching the show right now right in so in the same way gary's like oh like this new switch parentheses led model does nothing for him. I'm buying that dane date day. One right i can't wait. That's something i've been looking forward to. I've been looking for a reason to upgrade ever because again i have the original. Og switch right which means i don't have the improved battery that was improved included in two thousand nineteen. Th the battery alone in. That machine wasn't enough for me to go through the hoops of going to games. Stop at the time. Trading it in doing this member swap. I was like. I don't need it that badly. I have a battery pack travel with when the nintendo switch light dropped. I was very much like. Oh that's a really cool thing. I don't need that even though i play primarily hand-held. This does that. I can already do that. I don't want a smaller screen. I don't need. I don't need the form factor. But i understand of course. Nintendo switch light is made for children right or people who are primarily hand-held or one other system whatever but mainly for kids right in terms of you can't bring off the joy cons. You can't lose him. you can't break them that way. It's all locked into one system. Now we're here to this point where we're talking about. Hey for fifty more dollars. This is happening. Somebody like myself. Who's been sitting on the fence for it right. I'm gonna buy. There's plenty of people who are in the same campus meet let alone. People are going to see as gary talking about mainstream. Maybe this is your reason to get into but the other interesting thing i do think is out there right again. We're talking about nintendo that redesigns hardware all the time. This is not the last redesign intend to switch. You're gonna get. I do not think it kills the rumors of what a four k. d. l. s. esa switch pro. We're going to be in so then you get into this interesting thing of cool if they put out this fifty dollar more leads switch does that. Just become the switch. Now we see that three hundred price point fall away and suddenly of two hundred. You've three fifty. And then when they do new pro does it come out at four hundred and that's the thing of suddenly you're like well. It's not even a hundred dollar upgrade anymore. Now it's pushing me that way when i want it because it's just fifty bucks more. Yeah that's the lingering question for me. I don't know if it's been answered this morning. it has. I've certainly not seen we now. Are there now. Three switch skews switch light the regular nintendo switch and then the old version at one nine nine hundred ninety nine three four nine i think in an ideal world they would have just swapped out the current switch for the new one is that this is the new nintendo switch. It's two nine nine. We're taking the will run out the existing stock and then this just becomes the nintendo switch. Now you've got switch. Light switch. switch led version. I don't know. I think at some point. Probably what will happen is the what in the middle. The the original one will go away and the new one will come down in price of it sometime next year. Maybe and replace it. I think they might start phasing out that because now that one in the middle is kind of like the awkward middle child is there is. There is an argument for the switch light. It's cheap and fun and portable dot com slash. You're wrong. I haven't seen any confirmation this morning. This is happening. But i would put smart money on it that yes. You're just going to basically see those skews sell out and then in this over many months obviously sell out the stock of it and then this become the thing and it's just there and then you have to worry about resellers or finding one on the shelves. I would imagine i also want to make a broader point about the specs. You know the big thing today. The big disappointment From a lot of game is that i'm seeing is no four k. no real upgraded internals and again. That's partly because a lot of the room is a conjectural bullshit. That was being put out there for months. Was this thing was going to be four k. Anyone who is greatly surprised at disappointed by the fact that it's not i guess not been paying much attention nintendo for the past decade or so. You tend to been a very very long time. Many many years since nintendo cared about competing with other consoles on hardware specs. Probably if i think about it probably the last time the nintendo the nintendo was really kind of comparable in terms of specs was like in the sixty four playstation one generation when they were roughly they could both do the same bad jagged fuzzy three d. graphics shaft that when the gamecube came out the original xbox and the playstation two bit better than that and then xbox and sony start to pull away right and for a long time now through the width through the gamecube through the we through the we you another switch. Nintendo has always been the better part of a generation behind on hardware. Has it hurt them. No to switch is incredibly incredibly popular. They don't need to get into this hardware. Dick waving battle with sony and xbox these they just off they doing during guess. Well we've got the nintendo brand. We've got mario. We've got the unique proposition of the switch. Which is a handle that you can easily talking to you tv. They have all these unique selling points. Nothing to do with hardware. And i saw a lot of people today as well saying. Oh it's not going to get it needs to be four to be competitive again. I think it's already proved that they don't need to be compared to be comparable on hardware journals to be competitive. That's the switch has proven that in terms of whether or not they need to upgrade it kinda mid cycle in order to stay competitive people say oh you know games now i gotta chug on the switch or whatever. It's just my own personal experience. I've never really had an experience. I've never really had a game on. Maybe there are some out. I've never played a game on this richard like. Oh this is chuckie. One example i can think of ira warriors. Hira warriors aged calamity in split screen to play mode. In the middle of a big battle with lots of character screen it starts to chug absolutely. But if i'm playing like mario odyssey or zelda romario goal for animal crossing or any of really popular games. I'm spending ninety my time on the switch on they chug. They run just fine. The switches are called sol. Which which is just good enough to run all the games that most people like nintendo have been the best at doing that now for the longest time. Let microsoft and sony. Let them fight. Let the big console k. jews fight over. Who has the best trial any flip-flopping deal says and the fastest hard-drive speeds. Oh wow one low off a second faster than at the end of the day. None of that shit really matters what matters is. Can you put games in people's people's hands in the good games that people wanna play the good enough for the vast majority of people and nintendo has been doing that very well with this generation. Now why why. Break a winning formula. While i guarantee you the other thing that doesn't like doing is releasing expensive hardware at least not for the last few generations. The nintendo switches is pretty cheap. One ninety nine. It's the cheapest soul out there right now and they just. I didn't think they have an interesting competing. A higher price point. I was surprised when i saw three forty nine for this news weather man. That's that's pricey nintendo if you add four k. Another stuff on top of that on top of the screen. You probably look at it three ninety nine. Now you're looking at you know a digital playstation five or. It's a much more expensive proposition. I think nintendo is much happier occupying a lower price point with lois. Specs are good enough for most people and again they have been proven right through the through the first five years of this generation. Why change a winning formula. So i wanna bring in band dress. And then we'll go from there right. Banderas and rights into patriots dot com slash. Kind of funny games says good. God what is happening over it nintendo as you already know nintendo's announce the nintendo switch parentheses led version. This new version is clearly not the switch pro. That has been reported over the last few months. It is missing keen. Hanson's like four k. d. l. s. better processor and memory but this is actually pretty close to the bloomberg reports. What happened here. We're the bloomberg reports completely complete malarkey. Did something changed with nintendo plans to result in this more iterative upgrade to the semiconductor shortage and global pandemic. Gee sorry guess caused intended to be priced out of better hardware leading them to have a drop in the pro version for now. Thanks for taking my question. And that is part of it right where i think you know. Bloomberg is different than your casual internet youtube video right but it is that thing when we start with a rumor everybody starts interesting on it and then you have the twitter people and everything else happening over there right so i think that like you know to look back in these bloomberg reports. It is pretty close except for these internals right. I'm looking at adam. Bankers article From march twenty. Twenty one nintendo's allegedly set to reveal a new model. The nintendo switch with the bigger samsung south basang led display. Here that will be able to output four k ultra high definition graphics when it docked mode as reported by bloomberg nintendo is planning to unveil this new model in hopes that larger touchscreen can prop up demand for in time for the holidays. Samsung display co started mass production of a seven inch seven. Twenty p resolution led panel as early as twenty twenty one with an initial monthly target. Under a million units. These displays would then be sent to settlers in july for reference. The current it bubba. The ola panel will consume less battery offer. Higher contrast impossibly fast response time when compared to the switches Other stuff the report also claims that nintendo has decided to go with rigid panels. This new models cheaper flexible yadda yadda yadda and he goes on like this. Right the the rumors switch pros was we continue to drill down into this right like so far on the lead part there therefore and that's bloomberg and so then it's left the do you think that the forecast k. Just got mixed in. Do you think that will ever happen. Gary is that is there a switch pro one day. I mean first of all you. Just summarize the argument. I made on twitter this morning in a nutshell. You just said people disappointed because this new switch is not what was reported while. Who's is that. It's not nintendo's go talk to the people who reported it and made bullshit. Click bait youtube videos about it and i got some shit this morning. Our bloomberg said it's ok. Well guess what. Reputable news sites get things wrong as well. My problem. my problem's not we bloomberg who he did actually think that it mostly right. The one thing they were right about and the one part of this. If you actually look to what was the basis of the reporting would seem to most credible. Because you know they can these days. You can look at the supply chain so nintendo's just ordered five million lead seven inch screens from samsung. You can connect the dots on that right. That's not too difficult to figure out. There's going to be a new switch or something new with with the biggest green and they got that right but there was never any real foundation. As i recall. I remember looking at these stories about four k. Or improve gp or ap you hardware or any of that kind of stuff. What you. This is the reason why i got frustrated this morning and i apologize if anyone thought i was talking about harassing games journalists. There's none of that was games journalist for twelve years harassing gains journalists. I'm talking about. Don't continue to support the bullshit. Industrial complex of people with red arrows on their youtube. Thumbnails going. I've got the new nintendo switch pro in my ad. It's been confirmed by nintendo. Here's all the specs. This thing that we were doing this years old. My uncle works at nintendo in the school yard at school. We're still doing an exit now. People are making billions doing it with the same kind of bullshit. Now we've got beards and we've got we've got webcams and we make millions of dollars room in my uncle works. It really really annoys me. I click on a lot of video gaming videos. Because i'm interested in video gaming and i think it's also partly it's maybe it's a dope. I hate the play the game kind of situation because the the youtube algorithm encourages this. The more bullshit. Your video is the more likely they are to recommend it. And so i see so i click on. Don't recommend this channel on youtube so often because i can tell just by looking at the thumbnail. The video is a piece of shit and those are the people that i get annoyed that they propagate i understand it. There's good money to be made. In getting clicks on youtube and getting the ad revenue. I don't appreciate is like saying literally anything to make people. Click on your video. I found like a dozen videos about this miss remembering it. I talked to nintendo switch confirmed into the youtube search bar and within thirty seconds i found like twenty different videos going. The nintendo switch pro has been confirmed four k. I've got all the details. Click on this video. You can click on the video. It's all a bunch of bullshit. The god has no anything. It's just desperately wants you to click on these video but his gets into your head and it can and it creates an atmosphere way by the time they send to lord today. Everyone's like wait. I thought it was going to four k. Again ask yourself why you thought that because a bunch of bullshit has told you it was going to have it and again. I don't think bloomberg a bullshit is. It's a prop news outlet and plenty plenty of news outlets reported on this stuff. They got the screen right. I think it was actually interesting that nobody actually got what this actually is going to be right there. I see any reputable news outlets early when saying guys. I've got the real scoop. My uncle actually does work at nintendo. It's just a better screen in atlanta adapter and that's pretty much it. No one actually knew what it was really going to be. Nintendo did a very good job of keeping this under wraps but again it's just just don't click on the bullshit videos. Just don't so. Let's let's do this then. I'll boil the question down to josh g. Before we get out of here josh zeroed into patriot dot com slash kind of funny games and says so with the announcement of the nintendo switch parentheses led model. Is this the final nail in the coffin for what the internet dubbed the switch pro. I think so says josh. Gee if i can take lead no not by a long shot these long as the nintendo switches the primary nintendo platform. And there's no switch to announced. Even i guess that could become this witch pro- maybe that's more likely of that could happen. I think you'll definitely still see rumors of this because again nintendo is very clearly trying to serve different markets in so if they can sell the switch a bunch of different times with a bunch of different bells and whistles and eventually get to the point where this all comes down to what we've talked about before right. Why do you introduce new hardware. Why do you introduce new versions. It's because you want to keep the momentum going right like what is it. Eighty five million or whatever switches sold. That was the last number of kind of dot com slash. You're give me the more accurate thing. clearly nintendo's doing fine but they wanna keep doing fine they wanna keep driving that number up so you release different models to entice that audience. This is going to get me but so many of you. It's not getting fine. They'll want to get you and not to mention the probably wanna fucking get me again when they do a pro and it is for candidates all these things again. We'll that'd be a switch to will that'd be you know is an interim are they looking more like with the switch to be something like xbox eventually where it's like you're in the family so you're getting different things out of it. I wanna bring in jeff grubb of course jeffey grub grub from games beat. He tweeted today in starting to answer questions about this stuff already. What he's heard he tweeted. I still have only ever personally heard twenty twenty two for a switch pro and if that still happens i'll continue to speculate that it will have four k. Output significantly more efficient ship with the s s. Anyone thinks this is the last switch from a company that released six three s models. Exactly they're gonna keep making models of it. So does this kill the switch pro now. Of course now you're gonna hear about this forever every run up until it's out you will hear about this. Which pro and what they're doing and how much cove in ship in chip shortages and things like that did push things around. I mean at some point. Yes nintendo will release a more powerful console just as they always have since the mid nineteen eighties. of course. that's the circle of life. of course they will. The only question is will it be branded as some form of switch where i imagine it will because on a a very big brand with the switch i think they'll reinvent themselves and come up with something completely new. I think it will be like new nintendo. Swear or switch proud soup. I always like super nintendo switch. I think is is a is a fun way to kind of harken back to the grand days nintendo. Let me let me just ask you all people say oh. This is again the sliver of alcohol. The very vocal on the internet this morning. This isn't what i want. It needs four k. This isn't competitive. Let me just cut through all of that. Let me ask you greg baker prediction right now. The switch led version kit or flop. Oh hit right obviously fright only so the easiest prediction into walter. Mike and that's why this is no good i wanted. You can just throw those opinions in the trash. Because i guarantee you. it's gonna be a big hit. They just as the like. It's it's it's the same shit as before the better and again for the for the vast majority of the people who buy the center switch which is not represented by the people the vocal people on the internet. This is what they want exactly. And if you're a parent you're breaking down or whatever or you're somebody who's gonna silence forever. You finally go this holiday to buy switch. What are you gonna do when you look in the window. A walmart behind everything right. I can buy this old one. But what's the difference between this fifty dollar one associates going to be like. Oh it's got nathan that port in the back and it's a bigger screen and better battery better kick stand. Oh it's better for fifty dollars already come this far. Why not do it now. They're certainly going to be people who all not going to be interested as much as coming on here. And i'm sounding like some kind of nintendo apologised or whatever. I'm not buying this because it's not for me. I just doesn't do anything for me as a docked player. I guess well. I already have a sixty five inch screen that i played nintendo switch games on. I don't need a seventy one. I don't walk around with my nintendo switch. And honestly even if i if i did if i was going on a trip and i wanted to switch with me i probably would just switch light. Just because it's lighter more portable and again good enough for me. So i go back to. This reminds me so much of the old playstation for pro argument. That i was making wrong on the other side of it right but like cool everything you said. I totally get but if your traditional nintendo switch breaks. Which nintendo switch would you buy when you go to the store. I'm sorry say again broke. If you're if you're normal switch that you already have not your switch light but your normal switch broke and you went to the store to buy a new switch. Which one would you buy. If i was in the market for a new one. I would pay the extra fifty fifty bucks for the for the newest one. Sure there you go and you. I think your use cases one hundred percent correct. Get why you're not excited. But i just think that this is yet another example of why. Why do this. It's a long plane. They'll keep selling units and all these things will happen. And i'm i'm not. I always try to remember the. I'm not the average consumer and so what what's interesting was of interest to me and we'll i might be willing to buy or pay for is not what the vast majority of the market might be willing to buy or pay for but i think that clearly is a market for this nintendo doesn't just like make this shit up unlike and put millions of dollars into rnd and supply chain and they make the next big for the holidays just based on a whim. They do their math. They do their research study they market they know if they how many players play dots versus handheld and stuff like that. They have all kinds of metrics data. They have concluded that this is the best play for. The holidays are probably for the next year. Going forward. And i think i mean i think they're probably gonna be proven right. They're definitely going to be proven right and we'll have to wait and see what's going on with the one thing that i do want to get some clarity on his. It sounds like there's going to be again. I i never liked it when this confusion. You go to a just thinking about like grandma going to best buy target. this october. Wants to get like wants to get the news. Switch will johnny. And there's the switch light. The nintendo switch and the switch. Ola three different price points she might not know which once again not everyone is. If she's going to get about that middle one one. I just fifty bucks. More on the best. The only prediction i can. I can with any kind confidence. I do next year. You'll see that middle one get phased out and the old version will just become the nintendo switch and then maybe next year you get like a jacked up one with more hardware internals or something. And that's what. I'm mad that i just bought this one this year. Iming which lights on anthropologists wrote into your wrong and said as of may six nintendo has sold eighty four point. Fifty nine million. Nintendo's which is so. I was right there with my eighty five but you know what i like to sell. 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Lots of options available on black reef island in addition to this long look at bethesda violent adventure. We'll have updates on some exciting in the an third party. Titles the show. I'm sorry the full show clocks in around thirty minutes. This showcase will not include updates on the next god of war horizon forbidden west or next generation of playstation vr. Stay tuned throughout the summer though as will have even more updates soon gary widow. Are you excited for another state of clay. Yeah i'm always excited to hear about new games coming out. Do we know what else they're going to be talking about other than death loop nine minutes of death lube leaving us twenty one minutes of indian third party titles okay. Well yeah. i'm excited. I have a playstation. I like to play games on it. I wanna know what games are coming out. Now here's where we go ladies and gentlemen street lucid dream around patriot dot com slash kind of funny games. Who writes in and says. I'm excited about the upcoming state of play. But man i feel like we've seen enough or more than enough of death loop. We've seen enough of definitely bright. The overexposure is almost turning me off to the game. Gary two in a row hashtag hard troops all right. I feel like. I've seen a lot of deathly to which would normally if i was a consumer and not somebody who made content out of reacting to content. What i would do is not watch the state of play however what playstation is doing of course is trying to launch a brand new exclusive. Ip right in santa it's time exclusive. Whatever but it's ip right now right that if what does it mean to the general consumer the audience. Whoever they've gotta get as much information about this game out as possible to try to get you excited for it to talk to your friends about it or for your friends to see something that they heard about it. Or maybe you've already talked about death loop and now you get to tell your friend. Hey you're getting nine minutes of gameplay if you don't know what this thing isn't going to go watch it like we are back similar story number one of the business of video games. Gary where yeah. This isn't the last of us part to this doesn't Print copies on. Its own and get people to go buy it. You have to get out there and you have to market this game so yeah i agree. I feel like i've seen plenty of death. I can't wait for. I'm sold on deathly. I'm excited for death loop but there's plenty of people who still have no idea what the fuck death biz. I always think these like aa games. In this kind of awkward middle ground you know the big aaa games the ratchet and clank no last of us halo. You know the the big ones with his expectation the marketing machine. You know they still have to do their job. But it's it's not an uphill climb for them. The excitement is they're all they need to do. Is feed the excitement. The other end of the scale like little indie. Or whatever you know. There's not a lot of expectation. Maybe it's a hit but if it's not it's like well you know. There wasn't a lot of expectation in the first place. But when you've got a game like this. I imagine these pretty big team a lot of money at least internal expectations at the studio at the the publisher to make people excited. That's the thing it's like. It's not feeding the excitement. it's already there. it's that you've got to create it. You've got to make people excited. A lot of people regain like deathly. I think i'd just like sitting there going. Show me something like make me excited. You got to sell me on this. Because i'm not coming to. This excited. Like i would be a lot of other games. You gotta you gotta show me the excitement like you. And i feel like manufacturing excitement and selling a game on people when they're kind of coming in like a little bit skeptical not sold on. It is a way harder task. So i always for those games in the middle of double aa ones where it's like the. They spent a lot of money on it. But there's no guarantee that the people are going to respond. We see these kind of games. Come and go all the time right. And it's it's tough. It's a tough sell. Sorry all people excited about death loop or getting you know this this use of gaming where i think the people who listen to this show and are super dial into e three coverage and everything else. Yeah they are. I think. I think there's a good buzz for that. I think it's something really different really stylistic and it looks to be taking you know what arcane did so well with this honor one and two and bringing that to a more mass marketable audience right. But it's your point that i think you know you look at dishonored and that was a similar thing of like people be like you know what i mean like. The i heard this games. Aegean gave a good reviews. But i just doesn't seem like my company. I don't wanna play. I don't know what to do. It is so like to try to get around counterbalance that you have to market and you have to get it out there and the alive here on twitter dot tv slash kind of funny games edwin river rivera are once he won writes in and says people who don't know what death loop is are not watching state of play because if they were than they would no i disagree when i again overwhelming majority of course people are kind of funny reacting to of course but again like you know i always go back to a long long long time ago at a bitcon. Yeah bitcon panel. Where i was doing some learning about a youtube and twitter and everything else you know it was at that time years ago one percent of your audience sees anything you tweet. And that's why they were recommending. We tweet about the same thing multiple times at different hours of the day right. This is a similar thing where there is so much fucking information happening at any given time about entertainment that i think you could be a person who loves video games and owns a playstation five in could be superstock about south. But this isn't your full time job and your gig and deck loss in this blur of. I don't even know what that game is. Let alone isn't but doesn't maybe a first part of xbox clearly. This isn't for me. I think you do this. You come out. You have a great presentation and even if word. The hardest of hardcore people reacting to aren't stoked. Maybe i wanna see more. I want to see more. I want to play more personally. you get you get hashtag trending you get people tweeting about it. You get people posting facebook about it like you gotta feed the beast to try to get it out. And i'd rather see them right now over extended try to get into more people because again. You don't want to know more about that through. Don't watch more death loop and you can step off from it. But i'm not to the point. Loosen dreams talking about where the overexposure is. Almost turning the off to the game is just more. I personally ever to check the boxes. That's a must play for me this year. So i don't need to know more death loop aside which may be a good guy maybe you know. I honestly don't know i'm i'm open-minded. We'll we'll make our own decision. That's the key will make our own decision. And this oklahoma sation makes me think about the broader issue of marketing and games and i was a journalist for twelve years. I spent years diop. Pr and marketing people of stripes. And i know a little bit about our pr. Marketing works and you can go get a degree in it and some people are very good at it. And it's a whole industry and you know. These budgets are massive. You look at hollywood for example like the marketing budget for film is often as big as the production budget for the film itself so marketing companies put story marketing. But at the end of the day i feel like in many cases is only so much marketing can do. And sometimes it's largely irrelevant. I can certainly imagine good marks and can work. I can see what i can think of many examples of good games. That didn't get the attention. They deserved because they were poorly marketed. Or whatever but it's very very hard to think of any examples of a shitty game or sheedy movie that did well because he had awesome marketing. It doesn't matter. If the if the if the product you have to market is no good. No amount of marketing could save it. And i've seen this time and time and time again so you can do all the state and plays you what you do all that you can. You can send send you influences all of the the keys that you want and you can definitely get the game out dating get exposure but what you can avoid is that day is gonna come when the game comes out and the reviews hit and if the score is shit the score is shared. If people don't like it they don't like no one's gonna care about the marketing at that point so the best thing that marketing can do is good or bad raise awareness of a game but if they can help good games rise to the top get noticed but if something is no good knowing that marketing can save it very sugar. Now you wanna talk about some good marketing number three on the report. Polka mongo is a quote unquote dream. Come true according to miyamoto. This is cameron Cacho over at gamespot. Or maybe coke. Cameron nintendo's recent eighty first annual general meeting of shareholders. Offer an opportunity for those present. Ask questions of some of nintendo's top leadership including the most important question of all. What are your favorite games for legendary. Nintendo game design designer. She wgiram miyamoto. The answer was definitively. Polka mongo quote. I'm currently hooked on polka mongolia. Moto says this game which. I'm playing with my wife is dream. Come true of playing a game with my whole family. I've been enjoying pokemon go with my wife and neighborhood friends for some two years. Now the average person playing pokemon go and japan is probably around sixty years. Old and then miyamoto laughed. Gary is wanted to throw some sunshine on our feed today. The fact that miyamoto's out there wondering neighborhood playing pokemon go calling the dream come true you know what i mean. What's going on. I know that you your family. Big into poke them on the console stuff you pokemon go ever take off with your daughter. Yeah for about five minutes. In fact it was popular with the whole family. You remember that. We've talked about this before greg. Maybe that that that moment there was a moment world. Peace when when you know you would. We would drive by bus stop. There were like one hundred people there staring at their their phones. Oh that's going to be a gym or there's a pokemon hotspot there or whatever it was like a whole viral thing and there was actually some people were wandering into dangerous neighborhoods and stuff and there was it was it was a whole controversial thing yet but for like a hot minute pokemon go was like the biggest biggest thing and then it kind of wind off because we have short attention spans and we move onto the next thing. I know it's still. It's not necessarily like in under the microscope right now. That's not what we're talking about. It's not zeitgeist but it's still very popular and yeah anytime man motors in the news. He was anytime. I see a picture. A motor he's always always always smiling a smile on his face. seems happy. like one of those. You just know that he is what he's a real what he's one of those guys that he's a proper artist and he just does it because he loves games like me ezaki. Those guys to peace in the same. They just love the the creativity and they do it because it comes from within and they deeply love this stuff and they just want to bring joy to the people whether the rich are not doing. I don't think they really care. They're happy for all the trappings that come with success but at the end of the day it just comes from the place appeal love and that's why this accessible because it comes from a real place exactly for fourth and final on the rope report. Final fantasy fourteen has broken. It's concurrent player record on steam and let me tell you it's an interesting how we got here. This is darren. Over a gamespot darren rights according to valves official stats final fantasy. Fourteen has once again. Broken it's record for concurrent players on steam with forty seven thousand five hundred forty two players at its peak. That new number has beaten before one thousand two hundred fans who fought to the game in two thousand nineteen for the launch of shadow bringers on. Pc it's worth noting that this figure doesn't include players on ps four nps fi final fantasy. Fourteen also enjoys a healthy and steady audience. As for why there was a sudden surge in player numbers likely thanks to popular world of warcraft twitch streamer as mangold who decided to try the game for himself and had over two hundred thousand people washing them at one point while the final fantasy fourteen service filled up with legions of fans who wanted to meet him. This references a current joke in the world of warcraft community. That more players from that game are jumping ship to final fantasy. fourteen is players are unhappy with recent. Wow expansions in blizzards current direction. For the game quote. Many people have moved over to final fantasy. From weill. And i understand why as mangold said on recent stream quote. The truth is that was best released in the past. Five years has been it's released. That came out fifteen years ago. He said referencing blizzards release of the of wild classic. Gary i toss us in there. Of course 'cause. I know there's a very very very very very very huge audience for fantasy. Fourteen obviously want to give them some shots. Were broken record here. Whatever the concurrence in that thing and it's awesome. That game continued to see so much success support in people playing it but also the fact that it's this wow streamer that was able to go over there and bump up. The numbers is crazy. You're awhile player for a long time. Weren't you for for for a long time. I was in a hardcore rating guild in the early arts on the kill jaden server and i used to. It was almost like having a second job. I used to play like thirty forty hours a week and you know we read it all the high end content. It was a very very big guild. You know with kind of hierarchy and offices and in the end. I stopped playing in part because i did really feel like having a second job. They officers were very snooty. Show up for raid like. Why would you collected enough potions. Come on this raid. You're going to be put on probation fucking fucking pay me to play. This might drayton his job. Flicky self and i stopped playing it because it does get to a point where you can get like so committed into a game the it starts to feel more like work than it's supposed to be fun right and when things start becoming fun you stopped doing them. At least i do safaris fodder fantasies concerned and this recent explosion. That it's ad. I do think one of the more interesting and fascinating aspects of the current age of twitch streaming Is is how now that has become. I think more even than the conventional media becomes the thing that can lift or lower again. We saw it with among us among us was out for a couple of years and it was just sitting there. Nobody knew what it was. We talked earlier about how good games and go unnoticed. If they don't have brilliant crackerjack marketing sometimes that crackerjack marketing comes from inorganic place the right twitch stream of found it which with among us and now turned into into one of the one of the biggest games around. And we're seeing again now with we find a fantasy. This is why this is why now a lot of the marketing budgets and a lot of what the pr people are focusing on a less the conventional the guitar and even the kind of funnies and they came more about pokey main and fucking qvc and tim the tattoo man the ninja and dr lupo and these guys because if if they can get one of those people playing their game that that there's a there's a far there's a far more direct route two other people picking up that game than any kind of conventional marketing. So that's where the new marketing effort is going. We saw it with among us. We're seeing it now with final fantasy for sure like i installed final fantasy fourteen the other day because some of the people in my low twitch circle of friends started playing why suddenly people play. I didn't know you've you've educated me. I was like why why people might switch circle suddenly playing final fantasy and trying to get me to play with them is because they saw twitch stream who saw twitched extreme who saw this guy playing and it trickles down and yeah this is this is welcome to the new world. You can get one of these top. Tier twitch streamers playing. Somebody's somebody's dream is a lot of money. Even if it's a shitty game they'll take the money and play it just to put it in front of their audience and this this is how you market games. This is games in front of it. Or what is your one stream to play it and sometimes it happens organically. Sometimes it's a paid thing. You know this. This is the business these days and you know. It's just what works these days gary. I'm excited to see what works next. These days see what game gets huge next. Because of twitch streamers like which is kinda funny but so far away if i want something more immediate say what came to the mammogram shops. 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Kena: Bridge of Spirits Is Another Great PS5 (and PS4) Game - Beyond Episode 718

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Kena: Bridge of Spirits Is Another Great PS5 (and PS4) Game - Beyond Episode 718

"Beyond and hello everyone. My name is jonathan bush and this podcast beyond aegean's weekly playstation show where i forgot the playstation passion. Anyway it's on now and we're ready to talk about all the biggest news in the world the playstation including another playstation console exclusive. I have to add so many words to the word exclusive now because it's a very strange term these days but of course we're going to be talking about cannot bridge of spirits down that's out but will be staying a pretty spoiler free for these stories so if you're just jumping in or waiting to jump in we'll we'll dive into our thoughts on that but before we get into that in some other news. I'm during this week. I brian altana beyond beyond brand and mitchell saltzman. Janda hello good to see you both mitchell you of course reviewed qena and so we'll be dumped jumping in to a little bit of your thoughts on that but before we do. I want to throw a curveball to both of you. As i love to do so often and to get that. Good good Seo there's a nintendo direct this week if you would like to see one. Playstation character joins super smash brothers as the final smash brothers character. Who would be go ahead brian. Prado's good. I said from the beginning. That crash bandicoot absolutely needs to be in bros affinities the finish is like trifecta of having mario sonic and crash satan game so absolutely. It's gotta be crash. I would love to see that happen. It feels like it should have been an inevitable one industry or that. We're not there i. It was never in playstation all stars. Bowery also what happened there whenever all-stars to gets announced which of course we've been trying to make happen on the show We'll we'll definitely pitch our our our dreamcast for that game. I hope i hope it's the paddock ponds some that the patent upon and the pittman can go head to head has finally also never got their time in place sucks. It's anyway now that we've gotten out of the way for the. I can get into the words that i say vocally. It's fine. i don't think you can get seo off of like a few works. Jonathan audio pot. Like what. I don't look at an internet website and i'm pretty sure i know how. Seo works anyway. Joe biden okay. So the name of this episode is free playstation five. Yes that's gonna do it to save to save our butts when it comes journalists to kentucky veep. We'll put video as one word and two words just to capture both of the search and be able to get it Yeah of course we're going to be talking about Again to get that vocal. Seo depending on how you pronouncing it he nakano or qena. I believe it's qena bridge Which will will jump into one. Character does akina and the game though. I do have a little a little tiff with that. But anyways greg qena is now out on both yes for and he has five we Hopefully you've at home. As i said we're not gonna be jumping into a deep spoilers but anything that's been in trailers or things. We were able to discuss about a review. Some early impressions are going to keep a kind of contained to that but Mitchell as i had mentioned you reviewed qena. So why don't you give us sort of your top level off before we get deeper into discussion. Yeah i little thoughts. I like qena a lot It's it's definitely a lot of people have been saying. It's a throwback to like. Ps two era former for me. I really identified more with like the gamecube. Kind of the likes. Psycho commie star fox adventures. The three ds all the games. And while there definitely is that you know he has to. Ps three era mascot platformer element to it as well to me. It really hit those those notes of like you know going to an area finding a bunch of items or for that specific area learning about you know that areas specific are fighting a boss getting an upgrade though. Let's go onto the next area and even though it's open world you're kind of being guided into these different areas vary linearly which is great There's not that many games like this. Even though this was such a popular genre backing those those eras. So i if there's one thing i hope comes out of qena outside of just ember lab being you know this developer going forward that people get excited about whenever they announced something new. It's i hope we get more of these styles of games. Because it's it's kind of a relative the past that i think needs to be brought back and Yeah i really really love this game. I think you're go ahead. I was gonna say mitchell. I think you're spot on the we. We saw sort of like quiet renaissance three d mascot platformer over the last few years. This is not really that. I think you're completely in line with the truth here about this being more like a comedy or a light Actually a great comparison to although i'm not the biggest fan of that game. But i i think what. This game is doing a lot better. But i don't know i mean that's sort of just like a three d action adventure. You kind of linear game right like we don't get a ton of those anymore. Everything is either like a massive open world or we did get some sort of collective platformer over the last few years with the you know i leave. Ukulele is and stuff like that The this is more in line with that Sort of like yesterday. Gamecube era like urgent action game. And i really miss those. We used to get them a lot and like many things video games that just stopped appearing one day And you're you're totally right. I hope that this sells well. And i hope we get a sort of a resurgence of games like this. Because they're super cool. Things can be very cyclical. And i do like in a single year. We've gotten this site cannot end rash inclined to kind of bring me back to that era. That did sort of define games for me growing up and mitch. I think you're you're totally right in that aspect i can also very much. I'm curious to hear what you thought about it. I when the game was announced. This was of course revealed during the june playstation showcase last year for the reveal and certainly it was like this game cells immediately to an audience from the just how beautiful it is number. Lab of course has a history in animation in everything but after playing it. I'm near the very end up in the last couple of boss fights the the way it sort of mel's a lot of i think playstation bullet points when people talk about playstation games together also works really well like it does have that ration client collect the nature. It has that horizon bow and arrow combat. It has adorable creatures in like i. It's winning all these different games together into one. But i still really liked like i. I don't think it necessarily does any of those things in a brand new way. But i think it brings them together in a really great way. I was curious what you thought about like how it brings disparate elements together in that acidy. Yeah absolutely i mean you you you definitely hit the all the ones that they. They really borrowed elements from Mike horizon time slows down. When he jump into the air. And you ain't you abo- shod I think like wreck ratchet clank. There's a lot of really interesting. Platforming areas And yeah i think one of the best things about qena is and i talked about this in the review. It's kind of beautiful in its simplicity. There's there's not a lot of complicated mechanics or systems in qena. It's very simple combat. You have one one attack button. That has the same for combo throughout the entire game and the way it it gets it step is mostly through the enemy designs that the enemy designs as a as they go on demand more from you so they know you're going to have to do those things that you might not have done you're going to have to use perry's you're going to have to use your slowdown in order to aim properly at weak spots. You're going to have to you know. Use your dodge more effectively to avoid certain hits so yeah i think i think this game does a really good job of blending all those things in again like i said in the review i think cain is biggest strength. Is how it balances all those different those different styles of gameplay it is the platforming it's combat. It's the exploration and how you're doing one thing in qena for for all too long you'll have a big combat section and they'll be then it'll be followed by a platforming section like this. We have to jump across seas broken-down ruins using your bombs sued to platforms using your arrows suspend those platforms around. Then using these grapple points to avoid getting scorched by these waves of fire that are coming across. There's a lot of really creative Scenarios i wanna say you're never doing not only are you never doing one thing for all that all that long. But you're never doing the same thing you know more than once more than twice. Yeah and i would say mitchum curious if you feel much differently but i at least for me again in the game i feel like it only got better as it went along in terms of that variety to particularly a sort of without smiling at the final section of the game where you have a few different locations introduces so many cool platforming sections or boss fight designed or things that really really as he said like make you need to use every facet of what they give you even though what they give you is relatively simplistic like. It's it's not too wide scope of moves that you have. You really need to get good at all aspects of it or you're just knocked the push past it. Yeah the last stretch of the game is really interesting. They they give you a certain ability that that really changes how you how you navigate through through some of the areas and i kind of wish that they had a little more that i wish. I wish you would get new abilities. That would change the way you approach certain things. I think that last last section of the game is a really good. You know slice of what. I would want more of in any you know. If if this ever gets a sequel. I would absolutely love them to do more of that. Because my my biggest complaint about the game is that even though it's even though it's simple even though that simplicity is a positive in certain way in certain ways in also made it so that i have frequently wished i could do more and i wish that i could approach platforming sections approach combat combat sections in a way that more fit my my own play style rather than kind being pigeonholed into doing what the developer like wants me specifically to do so. Yeah i think that's that's like my main my main issue with with qena hoping like they give you a pretty cool moves hoping there would be more to it and then letting you kind of figure out your own way threat right. Yeah which total yet. I do hope that like as you said i. I hope there's a sequel. I i think this is a really great again. This is ember labs debut game having come from innovation so this feels like a really strong start to the studio and i hope it sells well enough as it should to to be able to get a sequel I do want to touch on a couple of things from your thoughts on that as well mitchell. The brand doing a jump to you for just seconds. I know you're a little bit earlier in the game Sort of i guess from that perspective for people who may be haven't jumped in yet how even finding the balance of things in the early hours of the game. I like it a lot. I think it's it's obviously a fairly straightforward and some simplistic early on and then as mitchell alluded to it starts to stack on mechanics and more ideas Scope of the arch in his is incredible walking out into certain areas and getting those massive vistas is just one of those things that i think that like the medium of video games does so well like when you see a shot like that in a movie. You're like oh cool but in the video game. You're kind of like i. I going to be able to go there eventually. And like the answer here is is mostly yes And i take that a lot. I think that like one of my rights. I was talking about with mitchell before. The show started. is that it's sort of positions itself as a platform And i think it's more into that later on but there's a lot of sort of environmental stuff that looks like something you could climb and jump on but you can't and so you'll see your character sort of do this kind of awkward slide down the side of a tree or a wall or rock structure or house. It looks like something that you'll be able to. You know kind of jump on ratchet had the same thing going for it but once you sort of recalibrate your brain to go you know this is. This is less of like a i. I get to climb everything. Do everything kind of game. This is more of their specifically in deliberately. Funneling me through The environments reason than it clicks a little bit more I'm not a fan of a lot of work in the game. This is extremely isn't it is teetering on papyrus and that the crime. Don't don't take this too seriously. If you're listening. I know we we get we get a lot of flack or being nitpicky about videogame stuff here. That's just a geeky designed garbage thing for my brand but super mitch. You were going to go for ten until you consider. That's absolutely right. No is it will pick played also is kind of like jarring. How beautiful this game looks. And then you hit pause button and like the u i of the amass upgrades are just. It's so basic and has yeah on just like so guys. Like i know i know fonts can be expensive but it may not seem like it's worth it's worth investing in all this money just to make your look better but it really does help. Just ask the the final fancy steam aceh poor poor people like it makes a difference while you're right about the you i it's it's it's odd because it's got like a very good skill tree. But we i mean. I guess this is about as throwback as you can get a ps two era Sort of action adventure platformer games but we have seen a skill trees become such a sort of interesting thing over the years videos. We've seen some truly dreadful ones. I don't think this one has a bad one. i think it's just very straightforward and simple ugly or anything. It's just not really doing anything impressive. It's cluttered and horrible but you know it doesn't when you look at this country like that you kind of this is a fairly simple endeavor here. I think before the that started mitchell our talking and now that i'm in those those final few boss fights it feels like there should have been just like even one or two more powers not even like full brand new power sets to learn though that would be very cool and i think in a sequel. We'd likely got those but even just a more upgrades for each one like one more yet. It was in the the bureau people watching the video. But they're sorta like four across for each of the layers even just having. I think like more column would have gone a long way to feeling like there was more to go for more to kind of collect because i i would also estimate i've gone for maybe sixty percent of the collectibles as i'm heading into the end game and i got all of those powers like an hour or two before i got right and so it kind of like capstone you a little bit earlier than i wish that i don't even mind the the amount i think you know. This is not a super long game. It's a nine hour game. My big issue is that the the upgrades that you get are so honestly meaningless like the the first the first three mainly upgrade. Say you get two of them are dashing attacks which you should have a dashing attack. You know it's not even like it's it's i even. That's a really effective move. It's just a way to it's a satisfying way too close distance and do like a different attack like shield breaks and stuff like that right. Yeah the strong. The strong one is is more useful. And i can. I can see that one being like you know your upgrade but like the light light dashing attack really should have been should have been something that you just have it right from the start. I guess what. I mean by like an extra column is just that some of them feel so unimportant for. Yeah yeah but. I think the the one male upgrade that i do enjoy because it is one of those things that it's optional rewards a certain style of play and that's why i think approach to do it's the one where if you time a heavy attack at just the right time you get an extra bit of power for it and that's something that you know i think really there should be more of those style of upgrades in in this country of canada. And then you like on the the the ranged upgrades. It's like you get one extra shot before you have to recharge everything it's like. I never had to use more than four shots of my bow. Like i don't think this is the kind of game where he just firing your bo- rapid fire right. Yeah there's a few in there that you think to your point of like the heavy attack one again we're as riots at like we're getting into the nitty gritty here mostly because there's a lot to love about this game but i think the the abilities that infuse your bow or the bomb that you've seen an intimate footage with like the rot. Ability is a cool upgrade to have in there and then yeah. I wish there were things that again changed the way you play more often as you went through. I think for sure mitchell. You're you're totally right network to emphasize what what you're saying. Bush like these. These are not like major complaints that once again. I always say this games. Don't start at ten and again examined obstructed subtracted based on all the little nitpicks that we find unless they have papyrus or some aesthetic automatic minus two knocked out of the aegean game of the year. Running it's a it's a tragic thing and it's it's just an internal rule and we fought. I'm being sarcastic constitution to continue to heap. Praise on the stuff that i think it does really well If if any of you listening played wind waker you probably one scene. Not the end. Which i won't spoil his you have but there's one scene in that game were link gets the master sword and returns color to a room. That's like otherwise drop and there are so many gorgeous moments like that in this game because a lot of the mechanics about sort of ridding the world of evil and you go from these kind of drab morose overgrown weeded areas with dark colors in red orbs and stuff like that to Getting rid of all the evil and then kinda striking down and this color it's sort of emanates all over the place and the grass returns to green and spring sex life and it is stunning like it is. I was cursed lot right there. It is so beautiful. It's one of those things that i'm just like this. Is you know this is what they see those moments. Have you know why you own next. Gen console Although i know this. Ps four is while but this is why you play video games. It's for moments like that. Like just look so beautiful. Look so gorgeous. The there's a section of early on where you walk into this forest sort of looks like indoor at night and It starts raining and it's just so effective. It's just so beautifully haunting and moody. And i think they the team did such a great job of capturing these natural environments and infusing them with like sort of fantastical. Magic is really. It's it's it's it's it's it's not the kind of thing you see every day video games honestly like i think it's really really special and i think it's their animation background totally shining through like it's super beautiful and speaking of that. I think one of the things that ember lab really needs to be you know. Praise for is attention to small details. The way you know for foliage will react naturally to to you passing by it. The this is something that i think. A lot of game developers get unfairly criticized for when you know little little bits of the environment. Don't perfectly react to do you walking by them. Why i feel like fruit. Take my bullets from by gun. Yeah exactly exactly i. It'll be a nice day on twitter. If i don't have to go and see anymore. Those have you noticed. The puddles look different now than they did. I knock another review. I've i showed no. I think i think Ember labs again. They're they're animation. Background really really shows through if you look at the way. They're their clothes. React to the win the way you know. Things swing with with momentum the way like when the when the by transform into their little beams of light the way like you know the white follows them. It's just it's it's such an amazing game of small details that again. I cannot wait to see what this team does next totally. I also have you guys ever seen the jurors mass fan film that they made. Oh it's sergeyev curse. Yeah seen that. Go check it out. We have terrible fate we. We've been meshing nintendo stuff a lot but it's worth pointing out that there. Is this the kind of interesting pittman esque mechanic to this game with. These tiny characters called rob that you do collect and then control Sometimes in combat sometimes to sort of move platforms around and stuff like that and it's really interesting and it. It's weird because i i swear. At some point they make the sound that hickman make when they die. It's it's super cute. I think it's such a clever thing because it's it's it adds to what is already like a very interesting and fun game and just other layer on top of it or you have little friends that are following you everywhere and i dig it because it makes the it makes them feel more alive like turn a corner and they're like five or six of more kinda waiting for you hopping around on a ledge hanging out. Yeah it's i think it's such a special game man that was that was an element when i previewed kenna few months back i i was speaking to some of the team and they were really like putting in those moments was a really fun opportunity to them because they were like for full disclosure. I know you're joking about the pippen bit but like you don't have to worry about the rops like health are or any of them dying. It's like you collect one. And then that is part of your party of wrought. You just have them forever. So you're not having to worry about their health or anything but they're there with you along the whole way and not just seeing them from behind you as you're going through a platforming section and they all pop into existence on the statue or point you to an important thing that you might not have seen otherwise they will help you in that way. It totally add so much life to an already beautiful vibrant world but it just adds that flavor. It's a weird name for like a cute little right. They're like they're like go. Get more rot like shore. You can get a real life rot. I've metro new. You're tweeting by adding one of the policies. I really do need to get one of them as well. They're adorable will bring it next time. I'm on beyond. yeah no. They're really fantastic. Addition and again it goes into that sort of like melting pot. That is hannah's gameplay. But i think works when brings all these things together even like going back a little bit to the combat. Because i want to talk to something that you had mentioned that we were discussing but you had tweeted. I think the negative came out like why people are not ready for how difficult this game as even on normal and i think introduces things well like. The beginning of the game isn't to toughen. There is of course easier difficulty but even on normal. Some of these bosses are no joke. I know i just wanted to hear your thoughts on it especially someone who for money is one of the the best video game players thank you. This is just like game. Journalists complaining game is hard like mental is really damn good at games like i have been numerous souls games some of these bosses. You can get a little bit. Souls like in terms of how you have to approach them in like learning their patterns and being able to perry and dodge off apathy. I wanted. I wanted to hear your thoughts about sort of the progression of it. Yeah i think the big thing that makes this game challenging is the fact that there's no on-demand healing and not only is there no on-demand healing first of all. You need to have a point of courage in order to use a heel and then secondly there's you can only heal at specific spots in the level once you use that spot it's gone so you're you're going into these boss fights what like where you're not dealing all that much damage with your with your mayo attack and there's no way to to improve your tax is no like real progression for your for your weapon no progression for your strength. Everything is very. I'm tuned to how much damage you deal from the very start of the game and so it becomes really tough game of like you know if you take a hit. That hit matters a lot. And if you want to succeed at these beating these bosses you're gonna have to learn how to how to use your perry because also your defensive mechanic the little shield you got. That's also on a resource. That's tied to a meter. If you just get hit without doing a perry you're gonna lose that shield for low while and eventually the bosses starts wising up to to the developers. No you're going to be doing. They know you're going to be using your role because there's no penalty using a role. There's no stamina meter and so eventually start getting these moves. They're like very wide reaching very tricky timing. And then sometimes you'll even find a bossa. Just they won't stop and won't stop attacking though they'll get you out of the the recovery of your role and so yes so it. A lot of kanaan's difficulty. I think comes from the fact that you can't. You can't really heal and the fact that eventually you're going to have to learn how perry i know. People people hate period It's hard to do sometimes and it is hard to do in this game. The timing window is not super super generous. But if you don't do that and you're going to get you're gonna get destroyed. One of those people metal. I don't know why. I got through the first like two-thirds with only using the perry a little but In this final stretch. I suddenly had to learn how to master that thing. And it's a little bit of a bummer on the trophy hunting side because there is a master difficulty trophy. Which is the only. You can only unlock that difficulty after beating the game once on any other difficulty. And there's no new game plus so it's not like you're carrying over. Thanks so. I've i've seen some people running down like the. I don't know if you've tried it out that difficulty out yet mitchell but some of the things people were talking like you can maybe get two or three hits and then you're on your on master. I feel like even normal on athletes. It's like maybe three three hits and you're dead. Yeah i started. So what. I what i basically did was i play through the game on normal and then was capturing for the review. I basically played on hard so the the captured the capture that you see in this review in this video review is on hard difficulty and honestly haven't noticed that much of a difference between normal and hard Granted i've gotten i've gotten much better at the game by the end so like going back to the beginning. It's a little bit different. Haven't gotten to like the really tough game stuff yet on hard Yeah normal is no joke. As as we've all we've all been talking about. I think you'll you go into this game looking at qena in like looking at the rod and how adorable everything is and like bryan even said your your daughter was watching you play. And she was like i am rid with it. I would like to meet the kids. That are being this game on normal because kids are really good. I mean we. I think they have more time right. The kids are really That said i think. I believe there is like a like a. Is it story mode or something or like store difficulty you if you wanna up it down. I believe anytime okay. Yeah it's it's always there in the menu so you can. You can switch it off. Which i think is is very great that they're especially for you know if you're stuck in a boss battle but want to see the story through a mini. It's definitely going to happen there. But this is i think going to surprise a lot of people with how difficult it ends up being. But i've it's very rewarding especially some of those later bosh is being able to take them a lot of fun. And i think one of the positives about being so fine tuned and like the fact that you can't upgrade your staff is that i think ember lab knows how how much damage you're taking like by the end of this boss fight and so they're able to make it so that so many bosses. I got through with no healing left. You know maybe that much life left on my my character and that felt intentional like like east. Bosses are designed with intention to make it seem like you basically scraped by with like you know the scanner teeth. Totally yeah there is. There's a lot of reward and being able to do that but you're totally right. It feels designed that way and bryant as you get to some of those boss fights you may not want to have your daughter in the room because you probably be cursing a lot like i'm old italian man so she's heard at all. I don't think. I don't think we'd pointed out that this game is thirty. Nine hundred nine which is yeah. That's a that's a cool little you know i. It was one of those things where i was like. Oh i'll wait for reviews to see. And then i saw mitchell's review an i immediately turned to my. Ps five box. I was just like this. Is you know. I'm very happy to the studio. I think that that's a that's a great. I don't necessarily judge products by their prices. Because i think that's it gets tricky. There's like you free games. That i've played for hundreds of hours. Sixty dollar games that. I dropped after four hours because i didn't like But it is pointing out that. If you're looking for like a a fun nine our game to play on your ps five right now or ups for like forty boxes is kind of a no brainer. Yeah and you'll you'll definitely get at least a couple more hours if you're trying to one hundred percent which i i definitely want to as we were saying i. I definitely want a couple other topics to discuss this episode. But yeah i. I really enjoyed as we were sort of alluding to the the way it makes you really pay attention to the world and even though it limits you as as brian in terms of it's not just this purely open go wherever world the the little puzzles that creates for you. The little you know whether they're platforming whether they're experiential whether using the often there are a lot of fun to solve in his as mitchell saying they are not often repeated. Your frequently finding do hustles to solve this a lot on that way. Any sort of other closing thoughts brian. You're just at the start of it but anything as you continue to go play in it at really swim. Swimming is too slow. That's my super nitpicky. Stupid stupid stupid thing. But now i can't finish it. I love it. Otherwise another point dropped. I hope dancing fair. You don't have to swim very often in this game mitchell. Any other closing thoughts from you on a move on. I hate collecting hats for my rod. I think this game needs better collectibles. And every time. I collected every time i did a a curse and i got another hat or i just got another on currency for buying hats for my rot. I just i dropped the point. I dropped another point. Rod hats are this years of fallen orders. Space ponchos like life you open. The treasure compare another year which is another blanket that you're going to wear around the level. Okay i i really thought when i was like closing thoughts will end on a happy note but now i would say yeah. There's i guess. Spoilers for for ten seconds to skip ahead i do love and brian. You're not there. Yep frog rot. Hat is very good. I will say that boy hat has pretty good too wants to. There are some good ones. But yes i agree. I do hope in a cane. A sequel there some more meaningful collectibles to get but as we said go. Check out mitchell's full video review. I know we were joking about a lot of nitpicky things but we do genuinely are having a really great time with this game. Mitchell thought it was great. I think it's really great. Tune and brian having a blast so far as well and i'm very interested to hear what people out. There are thinking of such applying. Netflix comment on the youtuber. Versions of this right into beyond dodge dot com and definitely let us know but Do tokyo soto side. No but when i interviewed a stig asmussen from fallen i believe is the credit director of the game. E mention that the reason that those ponchos or there was because they added collectibles like super late in development about the the game. And they're like oh put some pressure jusqu'a black that makes sense. Yeah it's very fair. And i mean qena again. The umbrella team very small studio their first game Really awesome to see. I'm glad that after you know. I think a lot of pressure being in so many playstation showcases. It's great to see that the final product was. I think a lot of the hype is really fun memorable time and if you have five. There's no reason you should go check the to have a positive file note. Yes they have a really kofoed. That does something that i think is like i haven't really seen anyone else do is that they. They have a button to unfreeze the characters. So like you go into photo mode and you know everything's frozen and then he hit the unfreeze button or whatever and all characters. Look at look at the camera and you're able to do like you know. Have them do different poses. You can make him say cheese They all have different actions that they can do. It's just really really cool and Yeah i think it's it's an interesting photo mode. That which i feel like every game adds something new to mode eventually. We're going to get a game. That just brings them all together. The ultimate automotive video game. That's the funding with fundamental. Does you're totally right. They all seem to want to add a little bit new but not all of them also pulling everything else that was created that was beloved and great and yet one day. We're going to get like the ultimate photo boats. Yeah it's a really fun. One and qena is a beautiful world to take photos in so definitely shows with us as well. If you're taking any photos shots. I do want to move on though just to a couple of their new stories this week. The first one mentioned is a report. That's been going around. A bit of a formerly playstation exclusive developer. Which is why. I bring it up. But a chronic dream of the developers of Heavy rain trip. Human few other games are reported to be making a star wars game. This of course comes after you know earlier this year. Lucas from games kind of rebranded itself in the way games did a few years back We know that there will be a ubisoft he again from the massive team another opened other partnerships Indiana jones game permission games. What this feels like if this turns out to be true This originally the rumors surfaced via a french youtuber. i'm going to completely it Toss gotta. I don't know i didn't take french. I took spanish. But anyway. After i took french but i failed out enough. None of us could better than us. So my birth parents are apparently french. Oh i've never met them. I was a roller coaster. I have french blood but they've never never tapped into. I really love the idea that one day. You'll just start speaking perfect anyway. A few other sites including shockers and a few others seem to corroborate. I believe could did as well that there were Seemed to be indications that this is actually a project going on a dream and that it's been somewhat in development for around eighteen months and that will be a little more action heavy than passed on extreme games Which of course been you know pretty Conversation based and quick time event laden. So perhaps they're trying to branch out a little bit more brand to start with you as someone who obviously has been on the show for a long time and covered several conic dream games on here and as a huge star wars fan. How does the potential for this sound to you. Well i'm so my gut reaction was i'm not. I'm not wild about this. Which is hypocritical of me because a couple years ago when it was you know doing whatever they were doing with the license squandering really for a long time outside of the you know some some great stuff here and there Like i i do believe battlefront turned out to be one of the best stars games ever made. It just took a while to get there right But like the they really only ship a couple of games in a decade worth of that Pardoned indexes partnership so. I am happy that lucasfilm is kinda gone. Beserk with the license right now. They're giving it to you know. Ubisoft is working on it. A nicer Is coming back. There was rumors of about a bunch of other games. Come in here and there. i'm probably forgetting off. The top of my head quantity dreams to me was a studio that i really really appreciate it. When heavy rain came out. I had never really played anything like it. For and then. I think a lot of Telltale stuff happened. And i sort of realized like this is not necessarily favorite way to experience video game stories I think that it's it's somewhere between like an action adventure game at a point and click adventure And for some people like that but for me. That's not necessarily what i want from the star wars license hearing that this would be more action. Focused is sort of interesting. But i don't really think that they've done a great job with those sequences in their games in the past In fact a lot of them are still feel really scripted and comical but bigger than that. I'd be remiss to not mentioned like there's there's a massive like ongoing sexual harassment and assault like case going on with the studio and has been a predating the eighteen month development cycle here so maybe no one at disney read that story. But i wish they had I'm not particularly a fan of of like rewarding studios with stuff like that. I don't. I don't like what i've read from internal emails coming out from that company. I didn't know people don't want to hear this on a video game show but like i sometimes it separating. The art from the artist is difficult for me. that said if a have proven that like there's turnover and there's new staff in place and that there's people that You know are taking the company in a better direction. And the people who were responsible for being grossing crappy are not in charge of this and cool. I'm interested Interested to see what it does but yeah this. This was not of all the studios out there to get the license. Quanta dream was not my first choice for a star wars game. But we'll see what happens now and michelle. I do wanna get your thoughts but yeah just to jump off that i. I have a very similar path with them as you brian. We're like. I was pretty into what heavy rain was doing. Thought it was very cool. At the time and the more that. I've learned the studio particularly. I think some of the greed of leadership there in business leadership and also just seen through the veneer of their storytelling. I think like a there are many people of color who have written very accidentally about Kind of detroit. Become human fails at representing and i think. Also there's a pretty common quote that goes around where they said detroit. Become human was likely runner but wanted you to sympathize with the androids seemingly missing the point of bladerunner. And so. I don't know if i have faith in the current leadership storytelling capabilities at quantum dream to do star wars. And i'm very much with you. Or that is a bummer. Because i do want to see a bunch of different star wars games. But i'm very much with you of like I don't know. I like this is not a studio. I'm particularly interested in hearing what their next work is. Wall leadership seems to be saying the same yet. A mitchell i. I don't know quite your your history of having played quantum dream games but in terms of just you know starr's continuing to proliferate. Would you wanna see such a story based it. Obviously there may be more action to but does a story based price based sort of thing. Ask interesting i in the stores fiction from quantitative in particular. Not so much i mean. It's certainly not an announcement like respond is making a star wars game It's definitely on a much much lower excitement level. The quantum dream games of a very special place in terms of like my my history of video games in that. I don't get to play a lot of games with my wife. You know she. She doesn't like playing games. She likes watching games and playing them. And i think the quantity dream games are very uniquely. Set up in that. They're very well suited for that kind of threw where i can just you know. Play through the game. We can watch together. We can you know she can like mix gestures on what what i can do and we can kind of just laugh at the ridiculousness of some of those stories. Because they don't hold up to any sort of scrutiny. Like if if you really look at the way those stories branch like they fall apart under the of lights but that can be fun. It can be fun to to go through a story in kind of a joke about some of those no bad parts of it like me me and my wife got really really into heavy rain in a big way. Not so much. The other games but So yeah so. I i would absolutely play this game. I don't know if it's going to be something. I'm going to be like hotly anticipating but you know it i definitely will be. We'll be interested in checking it out. I am now. I was gonna say just to add on top of all that i would li removing all of the drama around the studio which is that is a big big. Ask a big. If right the idea of like a narrative driven studio tackling this license as mitchell said wailer interesting to me than like respond. which has this tremendous history of a understanding like a combat in games right and traversable and games. Which is i think. Such a big part of star wars and like interesting in unique alien environments and stuff like that like the star. Wars start is as movies and then became twelve movies and you know now own. Multiple live action tv shows in the works animated shows. There's there are so many narrative driven versions of star wars that exist already so the idea of having like a star wars movie that i can you know. Press press ex fuel. Awkward sexy style walked watching the most awkward sexy in the history of video games. I could i did. I did i did. I think it was beyond two souls. The birthday party scene. I did it less than greg. Miller back in the day is probably the hardest. I've ever left her at work. Wanted and for the wrong reasons Yes yeah. I mean just the idea of like i. Don't i want. I want like a. I wanted cinematic video game video game about star wars. i loved. I loved what fallen order was doing. A can't wait for the sequel because the idea of running around with a lightsaber and fighting people enforced pushing people is. This is the kind of thing we don't get enough of an ea mostly made mobile games and first person shooters and like to me that that misses a lot of what starwars is for me like i. I love lightsaber combat. I love force combat. Like the force unleash games. We got for a while and then stop making them so i. I'm not necessarily like enthralled with the idea of playing a game like mostly story. Driven mostly cut scene driven mostly cutie driven for star wars. Because when i want to a cinematic star wars experience. I watched the movies like they exist. There's so many of them. Well and for me. I think you know if it does. Lean into aquatic dreams penchant for more dramatized like movie s games. I also feel like that means. It probably won't be within the kind of standard skywalker saga cannon like. It wouldn't shock me if this is one of the first non booker comic book. Hi republic projects because that is an era where they haven't told a story cinematic way yet and if them leeway to do so Not not to disregard your point. I do agree. Like i want more star wars games but at the very least that might lend some of their sort of like choice based and diverging narratives to an error where they can mess with things a little bit more because it is hard to imagine a detroit become human style game. Set you know in the original trilogy era. You can't really mess around with it. That much anymore. Like disney is very particular about that canada in specifically that canon is a minefield. And it's become this huge pain in the ass for. I think that's why a lot of people were excited creators and Authors and stuff that publishers were excited about the high republic era because they don't have the console this massive cork board. That says you know landau caribbean is having dinner on danton tonight. He can't be in this game or lucas. A crushing bugs in the battlefront. Two stories sequence. Like there's just like everyone is accounted for constantly. You know. Like and. I think that that gets a little bit more dangerous. I think it's more fun when people start playing right like stars visions just came out today and i love it specifically because it is a creative departure from Being locked it they basically said do what you want with the ip. And i think that that's what should be happening. More with the ip in general so that that prospect excites me and sam disney kind of if this ip damore studios to do what they want and not just be like you know it's luke skywalker again and again and again. Although i love luke skywalker great. He is wonderful but yeah that's a that's not in the report. Certainly that's just sort of like in my mind connecting the nuns of giving them something to do that would matter to the way they tell stories but yeah we'll we'll have to see. I wouldn't be shocked if these leaks caused them to. Maybe expedite the announcement of this thing because it still unconfirmed as of yet But obviously when we hear more about it will we'll definitely Discuss it going forward but for now wanted to also briefly. Move on to one less new story and mitchell. I just want to quickly get your thoughts on this. Which of course is that There are reportedly discussions around a marvel versus capcom. Two remastered actually happening. This comes from an interview Digital classes mica did on gamer hugged. Tv on youtube and some that both disney capcom have been approached about the idea Begun some discussions on that right now. We're trying to see how far we can go. But ultimately at the end of the day it's not really up to us so all we can really do is just make best case possible and try to make it easy for them and see if they're interested digital eclipse of course has been a part of other Re masters in things including when they were previously backbone entertainment are releasing a port of nbc to on ps three and three sixty Among other projects they've worked on with disney and a few other companies including capcom. So mitchell as someone who weirdly my introduction to marvel versus capcom was three. Because that's what my college roommates had not. Why is there such a fervor for nbc to and serve like where wherever your hopes with remastered app so first of all. I think we give a shout out to maximilian dude on twitch for kind of spearheading this free. Nbc to campaign and really when it comes down to his marvelous capcom two is one of the most like important games in fighting game history. It was an absolute blockbuster at arcades a you can you can go to arcade and not see someone playing marvelous capcom two and like be like astonished by the things that people can do in this game it was. It's one of the first games that really showed me how crazy people can get with their skill level in fighting games because they're this is a game where the roles go out the window. The fighting game rules that typically allow funny games have to adhere to are just completely thrown out. You can do infants that you can do moves that you'd land one hit on someone and their life bars gone So i think the big thing is that this is a game that again. it's super important in fighting game. History and to game is currently not available to play legally in like any fashion like the. The physical copies are just absurdly expensive on dreamcast. Or on anything else. You can't buy this. The digital version that digital clips worked on in two thousand nine. It's been taken off of storefronts because the license ran out or expired rather and Yeah it it's an absolute shame that people are not able to see where the marvelous capcom series really got. Its you know. this isn't worried originated. I think this is really where exploded in popularity and people don't really get to experience after themselves so yeah absolutely. I think this is a super easy win for capcom disney to just be like. Yeah we have. We have a company that that wants to do. It has experience doing it. They did the last one and They might might make. I believe his name was he also said like you know all the things that are fighting game wants to hear where he said like. We will do the documentary. Self will do the concept art will add. Gpo net code. Which is what now every fighting game fan really wants. They won't be able to play this game with rollback net code so so the in conclusion this should happen. It would be an absolutely easy win for capcom and our will and i hope within the next year so we are getting very excited at a. You know a sony or you know some sort of event where they reveal this. Hopefully they configure fix those wide-screen issues from our original review. No yeah it seems like the as you were saying. There's other than i guess figuring out the money for where the licensing issues may be. It seems like there's little downside to making this happen. For fans i brian. I don't know how much nbc to experience you have. But it seems like it would be a good thing all around while. I'm not i'm not. I'm not good at fighting games. But i always love this one and i will say that for somebody who doesn't really engage in fighting games in a isn't really good at them. I could listen to mitchell. Talked about them all day. Like you have that you have a magical power when it comes to that dude We we're seeing if you're watching the video episode mark ryan's names in the corner. Mark ryan's been an idea for like nineteen years and He had this game setup at his desk for ages and so it was just this thing where people would just like come to his desk and challenge him and lose it was it was just one of those just like amazing and fighting game super super good and it was. It was just always to me. That was that was such a cool part of the aegean culture. Having this like the station there Also like the fact that this this predates the sort of the big sprawling. Mc you efforts in a lot of ways the idea of like you know although the legal clauses that came in disney owning this character in that character and fox hunting this character like the you could just a bunch of x. men and a bunch of capcom characters fight a bunch of mario kart fight and i think they lost that later on right like they. They kind of basically had a partition everyone. I've always argued. The strongest villain in marvel is is the lawyers like they're they're the most powerful by far. They're the ones that separate other characters. But this game was super super like important and impactful and it was one of the things that even. Though i didn't i wasn't good at fighting games. It was undeniable. The recognize how important it was and i always fight and argue for preservation in video games. It's a bummer. That like that. That doesn't you know licenses laps so often And don't get renewed so the idea of this coming back. I think people will go absolutely crazy for it especially now like this is. This is a whole new era of for like marvel phantom and my god people would go nuts for this game now can i. Can i get a quick confirmation or denial of a rumor. I heard is it true there was. I'm not gonna name names. There was a man who said that if he played mark ryan one hundred times he would be able to win one and they try. They tried to test this theory. Yes i believe. That is true. And i don't i don't think they won. I can't imagine we'll because mishel you you and mark ryan play in the office of bunches. Well mark is a killer. It seems like that. I really hope can be figured out especially now that disney owns the majority of the rights to marvel things other than a few weird sony movie rights. So hopefully this is something that could happen And if and when it does mitchell definitely have you back on to talk about. You know reminded me of the time. A tough came by the office and i was like. Hey you wanna play smash brothers. Spike comically mount. The floor put items on. He was saying that. Whatever you want. Yeah you take whatever you'd need definitely that's fine just to quickly wrap up because we're unfortunately out of time We can talk about some some other games. We've been playing in weeks to combat. I did want to just wrap up because people have been writing in with memory card stories memory card. Of course haven't didn't a few weeks but it's our segment where you viewers and listeners. At home right in with your favourite weird wacky sad happy Whatever members of your game life and we read them on the show you can right into beyond at aegean dot com with the subject line memory card Like matt did And we do have a few others. And i appreciate everyone something them in. Please continue december stories in matches. Quick one and Though he preface it as being Not a happy story. I think it's a funny story. In retrospect because it feels like a very Sibling related event. That would happen. Matt says this isn't necessarily a happy story but with the segment being called memory cards the first story that pops into my head so when i was still middle school in my brother was only halfway through elementary school. The only playstation we had was the original. Ps one we liked playing the same games and only had one memory. Carta save to. My brother would often save over my game racing my progress. I think it was usually by accident. the the one doing erasing being the younger brother. I mostly like playing jp. Jeez though so i could have eight to ten hours invested into the game. It just gets wiped out eventually. I told my brother if he races my game one more time. I'm going to raise all his games on the memory card and not let him use it anymore. Well about a day later. He raced my game again and i took him into the game room and sat him in front of the playstation and made him watch as i went into the memory card manager and a his games in front of him. Looking bad i feel bad for my brother. I'm sure there are better ways to deal with a mit. I the astle. I don't know. I know like especially for young kids in middle school. Elementary school sibling rivalries. And what not. It feels very probably appropriate of an older sibling not appropriate. But like i can very much see an older siblings doing so. Matt i appreciate your your writing and hopefully you and your brother don't have this problem still a in your later years and hopefully you're able to play all your j. Rpg's to the end awesome memory. Cards aren't really a thing anymore. Yeah i'm never liked the kids today. Kind of dude. But man if if y'all didn't grow up with your friends or siblings or just accidents. A racing game saves on a memory card. You are so lucky you have no idea. Yeah i mean. I i was. I was playing. I was almost at the end of the x. Men for genesis and my little brother came in and he had just rented a vendor holyfield's boxing from store which is a crappy game who cares and he walked up to my genesis because he was a little kid and just ripped the game out and then put it in. The boxing. And i was like. Everything's gone everything sucks. I mean now it would be militias because you'd have to go through five menus. Go to the ssd menu find rights. Act game filed. Delete that make. Sure it doesn't save the data locally but actually deleted all or through a lot or like you know like a house marks like we're going to update return on in the middle of the night. Hope you didn't have like a are you know that's about as bad as it gets like. That's that's the roughest even get so hopefully hopefully you're able to retain you're safe now but matt thank you for writing in talking about story. I thank to everyone else has been writing and please continue to do so Beyond dot com bull. Read them on the show in future weeks. That is going to pretty much. Wrap us up for this week's episode of podcast beyond Brian mitchell before we had off ryan anything. You want to point people toward that. You've been working on recently There is an antenna direct tomorrow. And i'm hosting the live post show for that. So if you want to hear me yell excitedly about while luigi or i don't know potentially Hopefully you finally get the jean shorts off of that dude. Check that out because we'll be doing alive and it'll be fun. I got man. I hope they announced when mitchell anything else other than of course your cane review. They want to point people to. Yeah just the kenner review over on aegean games or i guess. This channel did a top ten on the top ten coop game so sure to go there. Unless unless you're going there to get mad at me for not including borland's don't want you want you there. You can say sorry. It's not in the list now on also because i my lucy would be upset if i didn't Recurrently in the midst of our twenty fifth anniversary celebration and lucy mainly has helped spearhead with a bunch of the feature seeing a lot of people working in a bunch of very cool upcoming projects that you'll see on the site took a one dropping per day. They spent movies. 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Elden Ring, Dead Space Previews Are Promising - Podcast Beyond Episode 716

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Elden Ring, Dead Space Previews Are Promising - Podcast Beyond Episode 716

"Hello everyone my name. Is jonathan dornbush. This is podcast beyond ideas weekly playstation show and weekly. Return of the jedi spoiler cast. Of course we're diving deep into the show that we were all talking about research this episode of during this week by brian altana. I still don't know why. The rancor keeper pride like that but it's one of the most heartbreaking moments in the whole film bergen spend a roughly about twenty minutes later on that. So i wanna joint. We're joined this week by mitchell. Saltzman everyone angel and also joining us. This again taylor lyles teller. Thank you so much for joining us as well. Thank you for having me door and tell her especially. Thank you little peek behind the curtain lucy. O'brien was going to be on this week's episode But there's massive construction happening at her apartment building so last minute. She had to duck out and taylor gracefully jumped in at the last moment. So thank you for hopping until last minute. I appreciate it. We are no problem. I guess you could say. I'm the real mvp today that's that. Please read. put that as tellers lumber third for before we go on just briefly. Say thank you to everyone who tuned in for our games come episode we recorded it before it aired but it was live during a whole games. Come show thank you to everyone who tuned in for the entirety of the games com coverage that show is obviously a huge undertaking for the entire aegean staff and a ton of work went into it across the board. So thank you. Everyone who tuned in for that as well and i also wanted to just say thank you to everyone for the podcast beyond fans who have been talking to twitter on twitter recently for the last couple of days. Just thank you everyone. There's been a lot of kind support for the show. Just wanted to say thank you because you all are wonderful and we love making the show for you Before we get into the topics for this week which are gonna include a playstation plus games. Some more elden ring. Out of follow up on mitchell's handoff preview. And if you ever things. I did briefly also want to put out a call for more memory. Heart stories have a few left in the that who used to go back through and make sure i didn't miss a please continue to send some more in and preferably keep them a little bit shorter I i read every story that we get. Some of them are amazing but some of them have been like college essay level length. And we just probably can't read that long on the show. I can. I appreciate so much people sharing that we're just for the sake of brevity and time if you can send something a little shorter basically if you've gone past the double spaced age onto far on the long one and then also have the t. l. Dr version at the bottom under. Yeah like if you if you want to share that story with us. We're grateful to that really really appreciate the candor and honesty that everyone shared with these just in terms of sharing them on the show. We want to make sure we can you know crystallize them in and get them out there for the audience. So appreciate if you're willing and able to do that but other than that i think that's all the housekeeping for the beginning of the show. Let's jump in before we get to the return of the a discussion of course Let's in briefly. Wanted to mention This month station. Plus games were announced The day according this they include overcooked. All you can eat which for. ps five. That is the overcooked bundles. So it includes overcooked one and two and a few other of the pack and things like that and then for ps four and that of course He has five backward. Compatibility is hitman to and predator hunting. I'm so this is a pretty heavily third party obviously month for it. I think if you've missed out on any of those games it's a pretty wide selection and so hopefully. There's something that appeals to you. It's definitely sort of an odd mish. Mash of things Brian i'll just thirty quickly. What would you feel about the this month's games I'm i'm into it actually. I mean i personally have all of them. So it's kind of a bummer. For me but if you have been on the fence about getting any of these. This is a great opportunity. Just been a overcooked. We everybody has said enough about this game. But it's worth saying more time that if you are looking for a really fun coop couch game to play with a potentially somebody who doesn't play a lot of video games or you're trying to like a friend a roommate your partner or something like that to get into video games this is. This is a great one and it. Maybe we'll make them never wanna play video games again to she'll be fighting over you know. Burn food or whatever great More hitman awesome. Hitman is one of the best games this year. So i hit into an predator. Hunting grounds is a like a a really really interesting really fun. Sort of asymmetric multiplayer. Game that i really good time with. And they're continuing to add new skins and deal see to it all the time so Made by ill phonic. They've been doing costa recently so yet donald games. Check them out even if you don't get to him immediately just huma put him in your library so you have them forever. Yeah it's it's a good Sorta jumble of things and yet has as brian said. I think we've talked about overcook. Plenty on the show but just for reference all you can eat is a ps five version so it has improved frame rate. And that's definitely been one of the things sometimes those games when you have four people going. It's as crazy and complex. The game gets it can run a little bit slowly. This kind of improves all of that. And like i said it has all of the content from that series so definitely go check that out and have predator started a little bit rocky but as he said they've been supporting it since launch ilana has been doing a really great job of that They just released arcada an earlier this year as well. So they've got. They've got their hands busy with multiplayer yet. Cool to see those. And i'll just say that it meant to is my favorite of the hitman trilogy so like if you have not played hitman. Please get on that train because you're missing out and like i've seen a bunch of people like this year. Who jumped on with hitman. Free him in three. And i've said that. Like i know pass on this game for the longest time and i went back and played off all three of them. So men what a what a game. It is that the one with the race track race trash. That's why jaber levels owned by right that mission. Good taylor. I don't know about your you. A fan of any of these games are your interest and check them out. If you're not actually interested in playing hitman to are is it the game that also that like meringue looking suitcase hands throw the boomerang with their own jetski. When i saw that i it was on twitter. I saw that on the scapegoat tree. Replaces puzzles wow. This is even more of an incentive for me to play the game. Yeah it's definitely a good one to jump into others no commentary on the playstation blog at this point so i don't know if it's true but i know that in hitman three you can import the levels for one to i know there's been some weird stuff where games or available for playstation plus but didn't like always give benefits like that so double check if it does let you import after you. Download it and play everything in hitman. Three it hitman three amazing and i keep forgetting that came out but yeah we have a lot of other stuff to to discuss for this month. Those come out next week. I believe tuesday tuesday. September seventh will be available to monday. October fourth So let's jump into some other topics as of course if you listen to last week's episode Or watch it live. You'll know that mitchell gracefully jumped in the midst of preparing all of his preview content for elden ring to speak to ryan. Max a little bit about The hands-off view that he had of elden ring. And i thought we could take this as an opportunity to now. It's been a few more days you've had a little bit more time to think about it and also You know people have had time to see the the breath of your coverage. Get some questions from the audience. But before we jump into it mitchell and i apologize that you're gonna have to talk quite a bit naxi minutes but i did just want to say. Is there anything that a few days removed like. What really sticks out to you. Like what you saw or people's reactions to you know descriptions of what people have seen. What sort of in like sticking your mind about it The one thing that. I've i've learned that surprise surprise. The ring community is very hungry for new gameplay and i hate to disappoint anyone there still will not be any new game play shown in this. This podcast You know it's always a bummer. When when you get to see something really cool and you're not able to actually show what you saw. I wish i wish i was able to. You know just project from my mind into all your mind. Everything that i was able to take a look at But yeah i mean. That's that's the big thing. The bummer of not being able to to show people what the fifteen minutes that you know the the select few of of media people got to see. Yeah you know. I still stand by everything that i wrote. In the preview. I thought looked amazing. Um i cannot wait to play it. And i think ellen ring is doing a lot of things very interesting in the soul space that i think people are gonna be into and i do hope we get that cerebral asked technology one day to see what's going on in your brain but yes speaking of that. I guess a few questions is sort of talk about l. During in context of other souls games. And i do want to get to that. But i also want to. Of course get as he said. Don't expect to see new gameplay here Of any higher obviously just still going off of mitchell's impressions didn't give any sort of public announcement on when there will be new things shown correct kazaa. Few people don't ask about no reminds me of was it cyberpunk a few years ago there was like a big e thing And a bunch of people press people got to see them weren't allowed to basically league at a reveal show and we decided to do a lot of very old school. You know magazine style coverage where for screen shots and then a lot of words. But yet i mean don't shoot the messenger on this. I saw a lot of comments. Being how come. There's no new gameplay and it's you know mitchell had to play by the rules and i'm glad that you got to see it and write about it and talk about it because that's as good as we'll get for awhile. Yeah and luckily you know. We're less than half a year away from the release date so it's it's not too far off but to jump into some of these questions I one from phil. I want to bring up was. I'm from what you saw in talks a little bit about sort of the the map integration for this game which is unique for altering compared to other souls games like did you get a sense of how big the map is how big the world was in general based on what you saw especially like is any sort of breath of comparison to other open world games that you can pull from. Yes so when they brought up the map a they kind of panned a little bit too like left so the first area is. Is that the first area that showed was that earth's open area that you've seen trailers It's the one with like the tree in the background. Then they pant to the left and it ended up being. I think it's right. After the first lacey dungeon and it was like a huge open valley with a forest in the middle and then there was all kinds of stuff. You know to the to the right of that so you know. I think in comparison to other open worlds. It's probably not gonna be as big as the witcher it's not gonna be as big as no assassin's creed odyssey. But it's it's one of those things where it's going to be very dense map I think the biggest the biggest clue to how big this world is gonna be is that they've set up there's going to be six actual areas And each of those areas is going to have its own legacy dungeons so just imagine like i wanna say. Imagine like oblige town a big area before blake town. And then y'all bunch of dungeons all interspersed in like in that area and that's one section and then there's six of those. So that's that's kind of how. I've been in reconciling the size of elden rigs map in my own head And that's it was of it. It's the map. Seems big. i'll just say the Absence very big went on the same level as necesary aussie or or three. That answers the question. I'm very okay with that personally. Because i feel like they're at least for a while. There was sort of like an arms race to see who could make the biggest open world game. I think there's value to that in some in some ways. But i also think that like i'd rather have something that's a little more sort of like constrained in bespoke interesting than sprawling endless. I actually personally get overwhelmed with like when open world games get too big and there isn't like a ton to do there. I appreciate sort of minimalism of some of them. But like at some point i just go like i'm never gonna see all this. You know this is a game where i probably will explore every corner because one of my favorite things to do in games like this is to tread into an area where you're like. Ooh am i supposed to be here yet. Oh no i'm not. These things are ready to murder. Me like yeah. That's that discovery and immediate followed by immediate. Humility is is one of my favorite cycles of the souls born genre. Yeah and i think you'll get that nelson ring for sure like there are definitely areas that i looked out on the map. I'm like oh man. If like it seems like going left is the way you want to go and going right. It's just like a recipe for destruct. For so i think it is that kind of thing where like dark souls. One is no real guidance. On where you on where you go but you get beaten. Path tried to go to the graveyard and go down to the giants straight away. You're going to get the heck denied you buy skeletons and then you're just gonna wander into a dark area that you're not going to be able to see where you're going. I started reporting that game a couple of weeks ago right. Exactly what you're talking about. And i was like i'm just gonna run full speed down this everyone's like i. Well i envisioned elden ring being very similar along those lines awesome. Yeah i. I'm very much the same way. I would always prefer a smaller. But more as brian. The spoken and dense world than they're as there's value in expansion and seeing what you can do with wider spaces. But yeah something like this. I'm cool with it being smaller but having a ton to do in those spaces speaking of sort of talking about the space of it as well. A time lender asked in the end. This may be something that's hard to see from from what you watched. But was there any dynamic weather or like. I'm just curious. What is it like being in the world because it we are seeing different times of day. There are hints at some different like weather patterns. But was that changing as you entered to does he. More like location. Specific there was not dynamic weather. I'm pretty sure the the conditions of the weather are very dependent on what area. You're in what. I am urine so like that like. I said that. I open area. Has you know very yellowish sky. And then The second area that we saw the one with big valley and the like forced in the middle It was much more overcast and kind of like a bluish cloudy sky and then right here is the first Legacy dungeon if you're watching on video and that's also in the first area and it gets a little more little more cloudy as getting further into that. Yose that second area with the bali So yeah. I think that the areas are are very dependent or the weather is very dependent on what area you're in moving from their damon asked Seem like elvin rings jumped mechanic made an impact in combat. I in combat jumping his vital whereas obviously in the game. You're more grounded literally. So did it feel like you were more anger to the ground lakers game or did it feel like jumping. Did really play an impact. The gameplay you saw. I don't think it's going to have the same impact as it doesn't sec euros comback than secular. Ou's jumping as like a one of your main defensive tools like if enemies are sweeping. You're gonna have to jump over that sweep. I haven't i haven't seen anything along those lines in ellen ring. It does seem much more like the traditional soul style of combat. But what they did say is that you have a jump attack and jump attack and and blow away guard so it's kind of like another another heavy attack. It's another attack. They have in your arsenal. And i imagined that attack is going to be very specific depending on what weapon. You're using so i think it is going to be important in that way. You're going to have this new attacking your arsenal that some enemies are probably gonna react. No maybe or two. And if you were just two regular week attack restoring attack gotcha if that makes sense. Yeah no totally. I mean honestly everything you say just telling me more about this game is like oh i just really want to play record. So it's good to hear all of this. You're hanging out with some friends and putting back a few drinks a few becomes a few too many as the evening comes to an end and start to head out. You think of calling for a ride. Now you live nearby. You can make it home okay. It's no big deal. What are the odds will get pulled over anyway and even. So what's the worst that could happen. Your insurance goes up. You lose your license you lose your job. Total your car. You kill someone. Everyone knows about the risks of driving drunk. the results are tragic and often deadly however. That still doesn't stop everyone from getting behind the wheel under the influence. That's why police officers are out there right now. Looking for impaired drivers on our roads to save lives so if you think okay drive after a few drinks think again blades. Safe and plan ahead to get a ride. It only takes one mistake to change your life or someone else's forever drive sober or get pulled over ryan asked. I don't believe it's mccaffrey. Ryan said given the beautiful. Game's we've experienced this year and after seeing. What blue pointed with human souls Graphics feel underwhelming Or did they feel up to par with current games. Do you think it will be an issue at launch in any way. But what. What did your i guess. What was your general impression of it. Graphically i know from soft makes some beautiful games. you know. it's not on the same level as demon's souls because obviously deemed souls was made from the ground up or playstation five. There's no playstation four version of of You know the demon's souls remake so this this has a look that is kinda reminiscent of dark souls. Three of bloodborne if feels along the same minds equality but that said like it's still absolutely gorgeous you know the the draw distances super impressive The art design is second to none terms of this style of game and yeah. I was super impressed by. But what i saw but not not blown away in the way i would be if it was a playstation five exclusive or a game that like screens know. Current gen place can five xbox series x etcetera. I don't think i can hear you anymore. You couldn't my michael. I i obviously tell me. If michele and brian if i'm way off base and taylor i actually before we go any further. Are you a huge holes person or are you someone who hasn't played. Are you interested in all during like where do you where do you sit with. Seoul's forums. yes so. I actually do like a souls board games. I haven't played yet. But i'm really excited for elden ring. And just like echoing with. Brian said earlier too. You know i think if it was like a bass open world. I don't know how much i'd be. Invested in searching every quarter I feel with some open world games on that issue of a quantity over quality. So it's like. Oh there's all the stuff i could do but if it all feels a little bit the same what difference that make if i complete all of it. You know what i mean so. I'm actually kind of curious to see what they do with elderly ring just a teaser trailer. That we saw like the announcement. The reveal trailer. I was hyped where it reading mitchell's preview. I was like. Can i play this right now. Just a time machine and just skipped to january play. Yeah there's a lot of cool stuff coming out in these few months but yeah. I'm really itching for january. But yeah i. I feel like with seoul especially the from soft when it comes to their games like even when it isn't pushing the boundaries like on a technical level. They always seem to really have this style. That i think riots through an even something like you're saying you're just dark souls remastered like i played it a few months back for the first time. Yes it doesn't hold up to modern souls games of course on a graphical level but the art style is so interesting end so engrossing that it kind of doesn't matter isn't yeah art direction. Goes a long way in in video games. Especially i m. it's such a visual medium rate. And it's also. I think that like the from soft design. Philosophy is so rooted in Quintessential classic horror movie monsters. That i love so much right like one of my favorite genres in the world. There's a practicality to the way Their enemies and creatures are constructed. It almost feel like something you would see like vintage clive barker movie or something like that like. It's very much like you can it. You could feel like the theoretically these would be practical effects if they were to make a movie out it's right like there's tattered pieces of ragged hanging off in like weird skin bones jutting out. There's all this like really really cool stuff and so i will take a more condensed open world. It's rife with horrifying creatures and monsters awesome. Awesome things to you. Know shriek in awe at a rather than something like you not to throw assassin's creed under the bus. The recent assassins creed games have been vast massive. But it's mostly like i understand who i'm interacting with. It's it's a lot of the same people over and over again. And i'm i'm like i love going into this sort of like high fantasy corners of video games like stuff like this is where things get really really interesting. I like some of these creature. Designs are incredible. They're so cool. And i i just i can't wait to turn a corner and just go. What is that. No i i really want the jim. Henson company of the eighties like the dark crystal era to like a real life puppetry of seventy of these creatures. Yes mate mak- a puppeteer kids from soft. Tv show her from soft. Jim henson company. Obviously call us working out. Did you see there was an artist. Twitter recently retweeted him but he was he showed images of basically a muppets. And sesame street characters yet drawn in bloodborne art style. Way too well to see this. It's amazing i gotta see this find. It will lincoln after the show. It's really through just a couple other questions. Some some random internet named red eye asked who is the protagonists favourite band. This is such a good question that i actually ask utah assan while it had my qna. I'd surprisingly he said bt s. s. is the tarnishes the tarnish ribboned. That's not gonna like permission to danced final looking forward to look forward to the ring mcdonalds meal coming in your cpac where your character gets to dress as jim. And there's gonna be fantastic moving on from there last. But not least. Casey also asked again casey defer staff heard about the summons in the game. And obviously i know this is something that's been touched on. But is that something you can use whenever you want want you get it or are. They're very specific conditions. Which can summit. India's speak a little bit about what you know of someone to so from what i have heard about. Summons a summons are like a stat that you can spec your character into so if you go like big on summons you're kind of limiting the amount that you can spend like vitality endurance strength etcetera etcetera and they also said that there are like monuments that you can. You can visit to the summit at those mom monuments. So i think it is. I don't think you can summon everywhere if i like. I think i had the the actual quote prepped here And then you'll you'll keep these as infant use items that you can use it special monuments around the map especially in places where there are a lot of enemies present. So you'll be able to summon them and use them to fight alongside your prepped alongside at your preference. So yes so you'll you'll get a summit item. Basically that item will be for specific monster. And once you get it you have unlimited uses of it but it seems like you have to use it at certain spots so you can't just use it throughout the whole world but those spots are usually the places that you'd want to use them in any way if that answers the question you had mentioned last week that like gathering though summonses as sort of like you know passover aria of sorrow or something where you're repeatedly fighting grinding on enemies until they drop a thing that you can then equip yeah but not not all spirit. Summons are gain that way like I've i've found out that some of them are but others you can find in bender's others just find out in the world that's like a shiny so there's a lot of different ways you can collect use summons. I don't think it's like exactly like castle where you know you. Just you go to a bonfire. You killing enemy. You go back to the bonfire. you're killing enemy. Go back to bonfire. he'll let me. Oh i got someone can move on. Marathon like entire. Tv shows while doing that. Just running in a non fighting the same like merman over trying to get through podcast of your backed up. Yeah that's i'm really fascinated to see more of that aspect of the game. I think it's a really interesting. Twist on a thing. That is a core part of those games when it comes to like something other players but the idea that this is a more complex and within the game in alden ring and something that you can you know and build into is is a really fascinating little between. Obviously you know your discussion last week on the show in and all the questions here. Is there anything else that you want to make sure we touch on before we move on to other topics or anything. You feel like in in the elden ring hole. That you've learned that you feel like hasn't got and think just maybe like highlighting the fact that this is a world where there's just so much excitement for for exploration like one of my big takeaways from from watching. The demo was just how much i wanted to take control away and be like okay. But what if we went here from what this way. What would i find like. I mentioned the preview. Like even just during the the legacy dodging and you think of these legacy dungeons that's like self contained dungeons but as i would like looked off. In the distance there was like a lone house on a bridge. She's like man what is in that house. How do i get there. Is that tied to the legacy dungeon. Is it something i can get to. After i get through lacy dungeon so just like the feeling of of wanting to know what's beyond certain certain barriers is like the most enticing thing i think That can take away from from watching that. Elgin ring hesitation awesome. Well thank you again for answering all these questions and thank you to everyone out there. You know responded with those as curious as we are about this game and mitchell you've continued to knock it out of the park with coverage and even though we only have a few months before it comes out. I hope there will be more beats for you to continue to show off. How awesome of a knowledgeable source foreign person you. Are you talk to you about it. But yeah and as Was probably referenced because well but You can check out all of the coverage of coverage our discussion last week. I'm beyond video preview again. Not with new gameplay but going in depth on what saw and we'll definitely continue to talk about that one as we get closer but moving on to talk about a few other subjects I one we're gonna jump into From some of the recent conversations going on is a more playstation related conversation. And that's when dealing with Naughty dog and crunch and this is of course something. That's come up a lot in the last couple of years related to obviously the last of us partout and sort of broader looks at naughty dog and and other companies than the gaming industry when it comes to the discussion around crunch. This is something that continues to come. And this time. It came from an interview with Naughty dog leads. Neil druckman and evan wells in game informer. I believe it wants. I swear i just heard some croat's yeah. What was that that was that was that was me. There i warned has has you know entered into my reality. I was like we're in algebra. There isn't exclusive elden ring. Preorder bonus for they do send you three live crows house for a couple of months to help you countdown mccain. Apparently i just turned did you. Did you hit the summoned fun facts. I was reading. Apparently crows can be extremely kind and recognize people. And if you're kind to them they won't be kind to you and essentially like kind of protect so mitchell be good to those gross anyway shifting back to you know something completely related to those crows playstation going to talk a little bit about this discussion. I just want to pull out a few highlights from this. Obviously there were stories on jan and the full interview is on gaming. Former that you can read with. Evan and neil goes through a ton else than contract obviously the crunch aspects out. Sort of the the focus of discussion on one or two of the things that were discussed were both punch and unionization on the crunch side I did wanna poll a couple of specific comments. These are In response to a question naughty doug is such a proven track record. But that hasn't come without a cost over the years you've come under fire for studio crunch. Could you speak to your personal experience with orange and how that's affected studio. Evan replied. I have definitely personally worked very hard over the years. I think some of that has helped me out where i am in my career as a studio. We've all worked hard together and we are working very hard on every project to find the right allen's just like we do in all of our technical aspects of creating a game we postmortems and we look at how the animation went and we look at how the design when we dig really deep into all the things that we could That could have been better and the things we got right. We do the same thing with production. We look at how the whole game was created and where we can make improvements. And how constrict. Right allen's between giving the opportunity to as i mentioned earlier Leave their mark on the industry and advanced or craft in ways that have never been achieved also find space along that spectrum and the neal said we have so many talented people that are good at solving problems whether the creative technical let me go back to the last of us per to some pillars that were important to us where diversity diversity in the people we hire in the characters that we have in our game as well as accessibility in. How do we make our games accessible. Likewise we are looking at quality of life for preventing burnout complain the brain power. We have in our studio and we started coming out with working groups to talk areas in the studio where we can improve. We worked a particular way when we were forty people. Now we have to evolve as we keep out an and there's a little bit more as they go on. Neil says everyone has a different definition of what crunch means. I guess for us. We think of it. As how do we look out for the well being of our colleagues and everyone that works at naughty dog which is some combination of how many hours you work and how much stress. You're feeling whether that's something. That's going on the officer home. We find that there is no one solution that fits everybody. Everybody has a unique situation. We might need and brian with you because obviously we. We've talked a lot in the past about obviously not dogs games and the crunch sort of discussion around it. They're clearly not denying that crunches happened at the studio and but obviously talking about some of the. It's this weird comics conversation. Where i think they're talking about some of the benefits of how hard their team has worked in the things they've produced like the accessibility advancements that have happened over the last month and things like that but at the same time the reality of is causing burnout. Within the studio isn't this caused like advancement shouldn't come at ee disregard for for employees Livelihood i feel like is is an important thing that they seem to be talking around here but i feel like as a key component of of a way to solve crunch. We'll talk when you talking around the exact that i think you know that right there. That's i won't call it a non answer but it does feel like they are kind of beating around the bush here. The thing with a lot of of this is like people historically called crunch culture and that doesn't necessarily mean that there is a specific demand from the higher up in the company Forcing people to be reprimanded if they don't stay pass a certain hour but there is that sort of like you don't want to be the first person to walk out of the room when everybody's working late and everybody listening to this show has worked a job Where they had to get there early or they've had to leave league and many of you have probably found that in those margins outside of what you are sort of a specifically hired to work in your your hours You might find goal like might actually find some wonderful solutions to things like there is a bizarre creativity that comes in those weird pockets of delirium. That happened. I've i've been privy to that you know i've just we just almost wrapped events season. There are a lot of early mornings a lot of late nights and weekends and stuff like that. And i'm not gonna pretend like my job is any harder than anybody listening because you know i'm not a Building construction sites and breaking rocks and stuff like that working in a mine. But i do think that there is over the last few years a conversation. That's happened a lot. In the video game ministry where a lot of the negative traits that were normalized for very very long are starting to come to light and a lot of people are realizing. Hey it is possible to make games without this and or maybe without it being one hundred percent thing But maybe pulling back a lot right when when this generation or last generation started rise. Rome was one of those flagship launched games. And the studio behind. It famously. tweeted out Bragging about how many pizzas. They ordered further staff to work late at night Crunching on that game. And that was one of the first times i remember watching a bunch of devs on twitter and a bunch of fans as well sort of reacting. Go way. don't don't make this like a normal thing like there's you know. Obviously you guys hit a deadline you you had a deadline that was supposed to be a big flagship launch game for the xbox time and This came at the expense of your employees and reading stories about the the personal ramifications of the stuff in even with the blizzard stories. That just came out recently. There are people there you know. Their relationships failed their. You know they got divorced and get to see their friends and their family or their kids or anything like that. I don't think that personally The the selfish benefit of of of my satisfaction and playing video game by x. Date is worth the personal unhealth ramifications of those sacrifices and so. I'm glad it's something it's going to continue to be talked about. I hope that because it was a fire under naughty dog's asked last time around. It seems given this interview that there will continue to be that for their next game or whatever they're working on next. There's less of a pressure on their staff to do that. And so i'm glad these conversations are happening again. everyone listening. You probably have a hard job. You've had to do this. I think those situations should be rectified as well. You know this is not just the you're listening to a video game podcast. It's talking about video game problem but this is a problem at many many jobs. And i think that having the conversation here you know. The rising tide raises all boats. And i think that sort of openly discussing crunch culture and overworking employees and underpaying them is a big part of like the human experience right now and it's important talk about that and i hope that naughty dog sees that it continued to see the backlash on this and they make the lives for their employees a healthier and safer and better. Because i'm glad to wait our long. It takes for whatever they make next. Because i know it'd be great. Yeah i obviously. I think it's safe to say it but it is always of course for saying here that like in no way. Do we want to support crunch in a way that says it is okay for people to you know. Continue to have to suffer to make a game. As as brian said like we are always willing to wait longer for a game to come out. If it means people have a better work life balance. And i i think the you kind of hit the nail on the head in terms of like why think. This interview struck a chord with a lot of people in in a frustrating way because of the talking round of things in terms of like it is a it is a systemic problem that goes far beyond naughty dog in like in the wider industry in in just our wider lives and culture. But it's this idea that. Oh maybe they're not telling us. We have to work eighty hour weeks. But i see this other person on my team working in eighty hour week and they're doing a lot of great work so maybe i need to do that too. And it's about the company's finding solutions to help solve that and obviously art of that. That often comes up is a thing about unionization. And i think this is a thing that people really were frustrated by it. I i think quite understandably was a little right after that the interview. Ask one of the things that the industry is talked about as a possible solution genius. Ation you dawson unionization and ever replied. I haven't put a lot of thought into that. I don't know if that would be a solution for crunch. I think they just shouldn't have said. I don't think a lot about that. Because i think it's impossible to not be the head of a company in an industry that talks about unionization lot and not have thought about what it would mean for your employees to unionize. Good or bad from your perspective like that just has to be a thing. That is on their mind as well. It's not really bad. Yeah i agree and it's also this these are not. This is not an indie studio making like a point. Platforming game this is. This is a studio that is making aaa You know deliberately. Cinematic stuff that i would say is at its best at off there with top tier hollywood movie productions. They're working with actors. Who are you know. An mokaba actors voice actors. You know one of the same these days. Many of which are unionized It's not like they are completely separated from this like in the movie industry there are. You don't necessarily have the same exact thing where a game raps and everyone gets fired or movie wraps never gets fired. Those teams will move from production to production the the the the production teams that we specifically partner with during events. He isn't it. i Are are people that are working deliberate hours. They get delivered. Lunch breaks and stuff like that. Like that is very organized. That's that's a big part of hollywood. And so if you're going to be like oh our games are the movie experience and even getting you know. Hbo adaptations google. What a unionist. Look it up. Yeah i think quite understandably that that answer really bothered a lot of people myself included because it's something that just has to have been on your mind and if it isn't that is of a very worrying concern. I do think in terms of the the broader point. And it's one of those things where it's like i don't i am not saying what they're saying is a justification for allowing crunch to continue. But i think the idea that there could be a multifaceted response to crunch is a is a reasonable thought to have and i do think it's worth pointing out that a developer from naughty dog Anthony vaccaro environment sort of responded to this a little bit on twitter. People talking about this interview and said The effort put in by leadership and employees over the last year plus find multiple solutions were conscience studio. Culture is dramatic ending the balance of letting devs push for things. They are passionate about one not causing themselves or others is difficult and takes time. The one size approaches always failed in leads. Recognize that to the whole team is working hard for multiple solutions instead of leadership. Just telling the studio y will be the solution. They have engaging the entire studio to speak up participate in finding ways to back from various different angles. And what's important each employee nor work-life allen's change doesn't happen instantly and takes a lot of hard work from all members of the team which thankfully we have you and they were responding someone else but i think that is a very valid point to be made that like in a creative pursuit like this. You have to allow for people who do want to engage with their work for. Perhaps as you were saying. Brian like during games. Calmer during events season we will work nights and weekends to be able to get this stuff delivered. Then we take the appropriate amount of time off afterward to make something like that happened in that. That's not always the case everywhere. But like that's something that we were fortunate to be able to engage in but like finding solutions for things like that across different teams and ideas that can apply but so can unionization. And so. I'm making and something like unionization at its base level will ensure protections and safeties. So that hashing doesn't turn into Abusing that passion to get work done at a at a demonstrably in a way that demonstrably hurts the employees. Which i think is why people pushing Totally agree one last thing. I want to say before. I feel like i'm hung on air here but the the the thing that i think a lot of people are forgetting is that These games aren't made an vacuum anymore. these massive aaa games are made by giant studios that are also connected with international like basically development houses third-party outlets that are doing things like animation and texture gathering and you know asset all that kind of stuff and so even if you can fix the problem internally at a studio like naughty dog they could potentially be outsourcing from a studio in a an international company that does have a culture of crunch and so that's something that has to be sort of rectified. As well these are not just games at. It's it's not just twenty people in a room working on a game anymore right like if you look at the assassins creed games. They were made by massive massive studios rockstar games massive studios people companies all over the world a pocket studios all over the world are helping in conjunction to make this stuff and sometimes they are reaching out to third parties And small independent places that are basically just gathering assets or creating textures and those people are working nights and weekends and we don't really hear about those stories as much so i. I'm hoping again that all of this starts to come to light and we do find a solution for everybody. Michelle taylor. I don't mean to hug the discussion. I gotta stop doing that. Every time i take a drink. I just don't want you to hear my weird mouth. Mona's i obviously you know. Brian and i have been covering this a lot on the show. You know throughout the years. Until i don't want to prevent either of you from from jumping at about spa. It's it's something that i hope. We hear about the solutions as well. Obviously you know a lot of the crunch stories. Come out from reports in people speaking up anonymously for for fear of retribution. Things like that. But i do genuinely hope. We hear about these solutions. That may be being worked on and whether they work whether they don't enter of the processes that get put in place. If those things are being worked on. Because i do think i like one hundred percent believe unionization is very important and if developers can look for that that is massively important. But i also want to know okay. They are working on this. I would love to hear the results of this and as the developer. The environmental artist. Anthony said these things take time and so. I'm not expecting them to you. Know come up with a solution overnight. But as naughty dog into development of his ex games i would love to hear about their approach in in changing things to what they feel needs to be changed and and how it's received i think it'll be very interesting to see what happens in the production of their next game but mitchell just thirty i. I don't know if there's anything you want to add to this conversation. But yeah i mean i've been following the conversation along twitter and i see a lot of people that are responding to this article and just being like known it. Is that simple. Mandatory forty hour work weeks. Like that's what other other companies do. That's what should be done. And you know i'm not a game developer. I can't speak to to what that would be like. I could say that if there was a mandatory forty hour work we get aegean it would cause me so much stress coming down to the end of the day instead of it being like oh mansa. Almost five o'clock. I like samba. Time to go home. That becomes like i have an hour left to get my work done. And like you know when you're when you're in new home to to writing reviews. Aiding reviews sometimes. It's it's much less stressful on my mental mental health. To be like okay. I'm gonna put in another hour to so that. When i wake up the next day i can feel better about the amount of work that have to do to get this thing done rather than you know. I have to cut off at five o'clock and now next day. I have to rush and get everything done before before my deadline or have to have that uncomfortable conversation with my boss and tell them that i wasn't able to get it done in time so i don't think the solutions crunch are are super simple. I don't i agree with the sentiment coming from what was his name anthony. Mci the developer. Yeah where you know like this this. This has to be a process. They have to figure out something that works And i also agree with neil where he says that you know the definition so of cruncher. Different I am one hundred percent against the idea of crunch where you know. It's mandatory ten to twelve hour workdays for a condensed period of time to get something out. The door like that shouldn't happen. I am against the idea of people sleeping in their cubicles. Because they need to get work done can they. You know they feel like the can't go home. That is a massive problem on the production side that needs to be addressed. That said the idea of crunch being you know people who are who want to get something done or wanted to put a little extra polish something before they wrap up for the day You know. I i as someone who who also feels like that You know i. It's hard for me to get behind. You know the the solutions that would snuff that out. Yeah yeah it's excuse me. It's really complex. In that way. Especially as i think you know people across the board who have create like we have creative Buy into the things that we're making and we care about those things and so it's that balance right of making sure you are putting in. Maybe those extra hours for a day. But that shouldn't be your day every day or if you're putting that in for a particular review at you know at least on my end danner reviews editor is pretty good about telling me make sure to take a cocktail for that because you know you did a weekend day for that and and things of that nature and and there's things need to be sort of like stated hilton practices as part of a company culture as he said like when things get to that level where people feel the pressure to do that where there were there sleeping in their cubicles where they're working constantly for Demanded for six weeks at a time to work twelve hour days. That's a that's a failure on a production level in that shouldn't exist. And i just wanna to go back to what you said about dan like i want to say you know as someone who does a lot of us who does a lot of edits want out dan and destin or just being wonderful. Whenever they know that i've been working working long hours and your day they in i like mitchell you have to take time off and i'm like okay. I will take time off speaking. We'll get to just the shared number of incredible reviews. You're able to pump out in a little bit. But i before we switch anything. You wanted to mention the topic before we switch gears. Yeah i mean just just echoing with What everyone else aside. You know. I will gladly wait longer for a game. If that means that developers do not have to crunch in basically get rid of any sense of personal life they have just to make sure. I get to enjoy this game. You know the game development is not hard. I never develop game. I'm not gonna say. I have but i can see that. There's definitely a lot of work. That's put into it The times i've rate stories of like some issues like bugs and things like that. I for some reason i keep thinking about that. Sky rim blah or the be kept causing it was a virtual being an actual bug it was a virtual mean causing chaos. And i was like. I was like wow the fact that something like that happens. Those like i i just. I can't even imagine how much headache it could be. Just like the the step of just making game from start to finish. It's just it's it's crazy. It's impressive. I wish i could do it but you know when i hear stories about how games i love and hearing about people who worked on it basically having to essentially suffer to make sure that this product comes out pretty polish it makes me feel guilty and mental health and things like that and people who have to you know. Basically rind to get a game out in getting the product out on time for for further management for for shareholders. All that stuff. It's a little disheartening. Because we see that there's burn out in game development and the turnaround and the short like retention at there is forgave development. It clearly crunch is not helping in this. So if there's an opportunity where they can address the crunch at of course purchase always going to be different and things like that and i can't speak too much about about working extra hours. I'm a little guilty of that. But you know i. I liked that Management tries to hold me accountable. Make sure like hey. I know you're putting you were stayed a little longer. You should try to a little early the next day if you can't and things like that and the fact that this is still ongoing problem in game development is is loose and i wish that there is a more firm solution to fixing this because i don't know it just kinda stinks when you hear people saying how they really wanna be a game developer and then they stay less than five years because they just get burned out so quickly like that's not okay. Yeah yeah the turnaround in the burn up. That feels so prevalent in especially in stories that were hearing is obviously a result of things like that across the industry. We're not just talking about not inaugurated in in that regard and it's something that we continue to hear about novices something. We want to continue to discuss on the show. Because it's important in our minds. I think as everyone has said we. We love playing these games. We are so impressed by the incredible amount of work that goes into all of it. We never want that work to 'cause people's lives to be hurt. Because they were making a video game no one should ever have to suffer making a video game to get us a a cool weapon at a game like that. Just shouldn't be how it and so we. We hope to continue seeing this change. Obviously as we hear more about these stories at playstation studios at third parties on playstation just general the the industry will will talk about it as it comes out but Yeah as. I mentioned that as an interview Those those type from her larger interview on game informer's can go check that out for a full five air But to move on a little bit to something else that we've seen this past week. I do want to briefly touch on it because we were running a little short on time. But i didn't want to let the especially taylor now that you're you're on this week's episode. I without quickly mentioning Something interesting in terms of game development. A seeing really really early production on a aaa third party game And that's the dead space remake. Currently being made at motive as part of this was announced earlier this year and we got a livestream earlier this week of a couple of the leaves on the game. Showing extremely early looks at this. The this was stuff that was legitimately like You know wire frame test rooms where they were trying out combat where nothing else but the player and the The enemies were at all polish. Like it's it's very bare bones and some places because this is how they're testing things out how they're developing things we got a couple of shots that were elemental moods and ideas of what a hallway might be like if you're if you're watching the show I recommend checking out hugh shadow to also former podcast guest Cleef adams who was hosting co hosting that stream. I was really well done i. I loved this really really early. Look i loved. They were being so honest about this. Because i feel like when it comes to triple a game development it is always so secretive and obviously this is a preplanned stream by the dads showing specific things wanting to show it in a good light of course but i think this is a really interesting approach and i hope we see more of this not just from deaths face but in general like i really appreciate how honest this was like. You're seeing a lot of really unfinished off here. But here it is for everyone to see not just behind closed doors demonstration. Here it is for everyone to say ob- ryan briefly. Start with you it. And then tell i want to hop over to you brian. Would you think of this. Yeah i know. You know that. I'm i'm such a geek for behind the behind the scenes making of stuff Historically i'm not crazy about win games get announced with these sort of navel-gazing videos. Ea had a history of doing that for awhile of sort of being like yours. Me on my computer. And i'm making star wars game on my can. I see it known And that's not the case here right. I think this is a remake. So we we sort of understand what the skeletal frame this is going to be like a. We played it before many of us have. And if you haven't please do because it's great Be just really cool to see you know. Here's the here's them presenting problems and solutions talking about that with transparency in sort of saying this is this is a concept art. This is the mode the mood. We're going for here. This is we're gonna flat out. Say there's no micro transactions this is you know some of the ideas and some of the tests the triumphs and failures along the way. This is so so cool. And i appreciate that. They're they're bringing fans into this and really going. This is really important franchise to a lot of people. We recognize it. It's sort of lost. Its way here and there but also the the core philosophy of of dead space connected so well with so many people and we wanna talk to those people and we wanna see what we can do to make them happy. And that's that's really really awesome. So yeah perhaps it prompts. The ea for doing this. Yeah i think it's really cool look and yet ties into their broader theme of trying to bring in sort of like community councils to to help advise on making sure they get it right. I think it's a really cool thing. But yeah taylor. I wanted to thirty just like huge debt. Space fan i know what would you think of the first. Look how. how is this sort of living up to your expectations. And what you think of this kind of like early peak at what. We're hoping to say man just watching. That was a real treat. You know. I i loved the first step space. I think back of the memories of the first time. I saw the commercial before it came out i was like and you know Dead space two was great. Deadbeats three that but you know with the fact that the the series had had the full that it did that the fall from grace that it did and when i heard that they were going renamed the first game and i was. I was really cautious. Just because it definitely has the the series progress with a few games that it had definitely focused more like that action kind of thing to back the horror. the i think there was a little bit of apprehension that at least i saw online where people are like. Why are they remaking. The i gave the first game was great. It was great but at the same time to like i. I'm not sure. I think this is probably the best way for them to go with remaking the game in the fact that they're they're this like they're showing us early production development bill and just like. Hey here's what we're working on. This is what we got. So far that level of transparency. I think is very crucial. When developers are taking the mantle of a beloved franchise. it helps engage the community. It helps get community feedback much earlier in the development and not only is it beneficial to the developers but it's also beneficial to the community and just the fans of the series as a whole and just just looking at one of the comparison pictures of the first from the original to the like a develop build. I'll say yes i know. This is early. Built like the lighting. The atmosphere the detail on isaac's arbor. Just they're they're striking. Somebody good cords with me. And i'm excited to learn about this game. I'm excited to see how they handle the scale. Because i was. I was like i don't know who else could handle dead space out. Visceral is gone. Like i don't know if i'd want anybody else to touch it but this put me a little bit better. He's of mine. I want to see more. I'm hoping they show us more soon. But i think this is They're they're moving things in the right direction. And i wish that aaa developers did more of this. Especially when they're bringing back a dormant franchise that everybody's like. I don't know if. I really want to work on this or something like that. So it's obviously with something like a remake. They have a little bit more leeway showing things because the full game is known in comparison to say like if they had been doing this with the last of part two on the just it might have been weird for them to show too much but with a remake they. They have a little bit earlier but yeah. I totally agree. I i really love the precedent the sets. I hope we continue to see it with future games. Not just the da. But broadly mitchell any thoughts on on the live stream if you just you know the general. It's just such a breath of fresh air to see a you know a big publisher like ea be willing to show when in-progress look of like this really big triple a game Because usually what happens we see. We see vertical slices. We see really know really beautiful trailers. That aren't quite representative away. It's actually going to be when the game comes out. You know not not in the way of like this. This was but in the opposite direction of being like way nicer looking they actually ended up being. So it's it's just such a refreshing change that they're willing to be almost as vulnerable with with this game and show you know it's so early in development So yeah i i love i especially love what they're doing with the the damage models or like what what how enemies react when they get shot like chunks of their their arm get blown off very much right. Excuse me very much reminds me of like maternal just in terms of like the way enemies know where their damage which is exactly what you would want to see the game like that space so i think they did a job. A good job of answering. Why dead space could could use a remake because so many people were like you'll need to remake that spacex races perfect So yeah i love this. Yeah i think it was really cool. Luckily confirmation that The original voice actors reprising real for for isaac and some looks at things. Like you said the dismemberment is such a thing that synonymous dead's base and so yeah finding ways in which they're using the technology to actually upped the ante of what that means for for combat and things of that nature is is really looking at it. so yeah hats off to the motive team for doing. This is what we see. More of these dentists. Because i'm just really really interested as humans we all are in it but Yeah i get to see more of this You know i get that. It's a worrying thing because it can create sir expectations from the audience of like well. You showed this what happened. Thinks change all the time in game development. Of course that is very understandably a worry But i appreciated the way they couch this the way they framed it and what they showed off so really happy to see that and again if you wanna check out the full stream it it's out there. I definitely definitely recommended Whether or not you're huge essays. Fans just a really interesting look ultimate for erupts into. Were pretty late on time. I do want to briefly throw to i. Guess sort of a combo of slash things you've been playing slash things you might want to promote content that. You've been working on anything like that. So brian i'll start with you. I've been playing saints row. two. I went and revisited. That game after the reveal of the new saints are reboot. Because i noticed other large conversation among that audience that i guess i'd never really put together. That audience has been completely splintered and split in half for a very long time now between people who really like saints row too because it was you know semi gritty and serious at times while still being Slapstick and cartoony all over the place and saints were three which like totally veered into a kind of nonsense world and was really loved. Both i've always preferred three. The developers the reboot said they're like looking at three as the sort of boilerplate in or the template for where they want to go with the new book which obviously You know kind of frustrated some players. But i'm playing to now to sort of reconnect with that franchise have been doing that. A lot with im's when when you know wound far crisis got announced on me. Go play the old far against And i'm really enjoying it so i'm almost done with it actually and i'll probably talk more about it next week but Yeah i'm i'm just happy. They're making central game so less and mitchell one thirty you've since we last had you on not last week but before that you've been in quite a busy review period you did the ghost of suma expansion review you just put up. I believe today. Did you do sonic colors. Ultimate cycle is ultimate. Sokolow's remastered about those reviews. But yeah so. What have you been playing what. What do you want to people. Toward a i gotta be careful here. Embargoed stuff on the next war is great. I agree it's elden ring. Tell the crow to accept. Obviously sonic colours ultimate. Which you know. I i really really enjoyed I've been playing have been put. Oh you're obviously guilty. Strive i always played guiltier drive. That's just a game. Bow will probably be planning for the rest of my life. And i mean outside that you know apart from some of the embargo stuff. I be playing. You know just games with friends. I'm sorry it's a weird tales. Or i'm trying to solve the puzzle of what they could be by game. If it's a review. Mitchell might be doing it because he he does those game reviewing but anyway just wanted to point people towards your review. It was a really great Review as of course. He reviewed the original game as well so people have probably already jumped into the expansion. I know that the The standalone legends mode is available. Starting this friday for people obviously go check out the review. If you haven't end if you're a sonics fan. Go check out eastbound coltman. I've never played colors. So i'm looking forward to this one. The best marne song game. So he's you're at all curious about sonic definitely check it out. Always curious about sonic. That's how thin the internet's great for that. Flew hedgehog to run so fast. Survey the power of ben schwartz voices. What i imagined. Taylor anything you want to point people towards slash would've of you. You've been playing. They highlight well. I recently beat psycho nuts too and going to start playing. Oh yeah it's so it's so good I it was well worth the fifteen plus years that we had to wait for for for this game but also about to start Ghost of sheba director. Scott i waited to play this game. I because i was like Do i do. I wanna buy it on. Ps for the release it again on ps five. I'm glad i did that. So i'm gonna play that sued I am game for review. I cannot say what it is unfortunately way so. I'm gonna try to split times for that but obviously the reviews deprioritize for me. But i'm excited to play goes to sushi originals review for both of the expansion and the base game and i was like. Oh god i the so bad. So that's that's all my current plate right now let's trade. Nda's i'll tell you. I'll tell you if you play the backwards you actually hear every game. They've been playing but yeah tell her. I hope you enjoy ghost definitely a lot. Roughly double the time you expect to play to also include photo. You're gonna spend a lot. Yes taken and petting the animals which there's now even more iki island. It's great to just go to a bunch of monkeys and and hang out. That's wonderful actually super envious have you that you're playing but that's like one of those like i wish i could white my mind and play it from scratch You're gonna have so much fun with the game it so lawson in it. It's just such a beautiful world. It's such a it's so good. It's good we'll definitely talk about ghost more on the maybe a quarter week but we ought to talk about via checkout mitchell's piece. The both iki island review and the seller colours review and all the work mitchell's been doing recently. But yeah i played. I've been playing iki island. I i started up engine impact. Because i need to get away. Because i'm a playstation podcast hosted. I need a lawyer when she appears in another game. That aren't high at the beginning of the game. So it's still pretty much like the basic people in cobb whose names i'm forgetting but The the ice guy the fire woman with the bow the lightning librarian and my character. So yeah it's really fun. i like it. it's a very pretty world. I like just hang out in and Yeah i've lost several nights already this week to it and that's probably going to be the case for awhile but that pretty much wraps us up or this week's episode of podcast beyond Thank you ryan. Mitchell and taylor for joining me for this week's episode Thank you all for for taking the time and thank you to read our producer as for making the show happen. I and thank you to everyone out there for watching and listening and thinking everyone who sent in questions and everything for this episode as well. We hope you're safe. We hope you're well and as always yacht beyond beyond.

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GTA Trilogy Remaster Hopes, Konami Rumors, and More - Beyond Episode 720

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GTA Trilogy Remaster Hopes, Konami Rumors, and More - Beyond Episode 720

"And hello everyone. My name is jonathan dornbush and this podcast beyond ideas weekly playstation show covering all the latest in the world of playstation whether it be new releases new games the hottest new rumors and anecdotes about my dog. Because i have one of those coming up but before we get there. I'm joined this week by brian. Altana give an anecdote coming up a dog coming up. Because i need to prepare. I mean i'd love if loki would just come into the room on command at that point. But he's he's a little too independent for that. It is a playstation related dog anecdote. But we're also during this week. I met kim as well. Allow happy to be back. Allow happy happy to see. You both know i did. It was a realization. That my girlfriend and i had this morning but i just felt. I had to share on a playstation podcast. So our dog when we're on our couch. Our dog loves to cuddle with us like he does not like to be alone he just has to be sitting with us and what he's now learned to do is when he hears the noise of the. Ps five turning on if he is in another room he rushes in because he knows we are sitting kaaba with him like it is now something he has pavlovian. Lee train janu. I was about to say pavlov's playstation. That's very soon run. that's amazing. Yeah so like if he's in another room and he knows we're not in that room hell and he doesn't hear anything he will give it a couple minutes because he's like maybe they haven't settled. Maybe they're not ready for me. I will come in just yet but if he hears that. Ps five like he. He will skinner her across the wood floor and rush to us because he knows. Oh it's time for me to sit down for at least probably an hour. So thank you playstation for training. Dock to no one ed when it's amazing special. Yeah it's a really great bonus feature of the latest. Ps five firmware update that i appreciated them adding But before we get to any other playstation news for the ps five. I do want to give a slight. Psa at the top of the show. We've been covering earlier in this year. Of course these sort of a closure and the nondisclosure reversal of the ps three. Ps vida nps stories Those obviously a big thing. We talked about earlier this year. I think it was earlier this year. I don't know how do you know hitman three came out this year. Eight was this year. I yeah i was thinking about that. I was like i love village last meets last higher. What monster hunter rise the best game between nineteen. You know. yes it's christopher nolan's the dark knight came out this year. Oh my god. I would be crazy to think about time. And we're getting the reboot. They already this year or two that. It's not the final episode of seinfeld aired like but it's in the wrong format now on netflix. So you don't get half. The jokes like know. He's in a courtroom. It's really anyway the we we're getting this whole thing about the playstation store's closing they didn't close but for those who do have their. Ps threes there. Vida stolen are buying games on them. It's going to become a little bit harder to do so a starting believe october. Twenty seventh. I do have a copy of the email that was sent to playstation neuter users shoutout to beyond listener damon. Not our co worker damon but david who sent in The letter to me and mentioned how starting the letter states from playstation starting october twenty seventh. You can no longer use a credit or debit card. Ori payment methods such as paypal to buy a games or add fund to your wallet for ps three or ps visa. So basically you will need to get playstation store like gift cards to use those to put fund into your account for three in vida to buy things on there. Why don't know. But why because the because the vita store is still up right. Yes yeah it's just now really inconvenient us and so while they want you to buy vida games. They would also maybe suggest that. Hey maybe if you don't buy two games that's that's anew are. They avoiding the credit card fees associated with like those purchases. They are they do. They have to kick fifteen cents to citibank every time. Somebody buys pat upon. I don't get it. Yeah like i have to assume brian. It leans into that because the other really. I guess cynical thought is just that they really do want to stop having to support these stores and so they just make it harder. But that's really awful. And i hope not a true practice that anyone would engage in and so the only thing i can think of genuinely is that it is a like keeping these stores running when it relates to the various credit card companies and pay pal like there are probably deals that have to be in place for it to register those stores and it's just not worth the money to them But yeah so it will no longer be able to use the store that way. So you i must add sufficient funds to your wallet and you can do so by a redeeming a playstation or gift card via your yesteryear. Ps vida or by using your credit or debit card or pay pal on a desktop or mobile device device. So you can basically still use your credit card. But you have to do it. Not with the consuls. And you have to do it via a ps four council or your pc. So just know that. Like starting tober twenty-seventh if he wants to be still buying game intervened. nps three which. There's a lot of backward compatible stuff to buy. You can't do it just via credit card simply through those stores anymore. You do have to kind of go in a different data mascot the white vida out best one off you know now. Okay so first of all if you're watching the video show right now matt. Jonathan both wore yellow shirts at nakayama. Also both have vitas within reach. I did not get the memo. Either mine's downstairs. I would love to hold at my wife vida in where. I don't even own a yellow shirt. I'd figure something out right right trustee. Ps throw away. I don't have that. That's too much for me hand. I love console. That was by the slim slim's a slump. History is such a. yeah. I love my vida and when they announced earlier this year that they might be winding down shop. I the when. I gotta make a list. I got by all these games that i gotta i gotta get before they close africa right at and they're like oh we're not closing. I'm like oh that's good and then now they're like at the end of the month. I wanna make it really difficult for your by game on the store anyway. So i'm like now. I gotta get my list again by the lease purchase with my credit card before they make a force me to buy. What like sixty dollars playstation point cards at adult safeway. Yeah i mean things end right things. The stores closed this stuff happens. We saw that mad dash with the with the nintendo. We in the we you a couple years ago and i i. I think the three d. s. one is coming up as well. And it's just it's a bummer. Something goes from being immensely popular or in the case you know big with a small group. I love it right. Beloved cherished criminally ignored. I would argue by everyone. Not you out there. You're listening europe-wide you probably helped but the rest of you really dropped ball on the but this is such a bummer to see it sort of like ends with a far like this. You know like. I said this before the homeless again but i really wish there was a way to future proof. These purchases to bring these games to modern platforms. People can them a. That's that's my soapbox. I'll just say again urge gonna say that's all totally there with you and i think as we've said on the show before the the real big frustration for me as playstation fan as like there is so much between the generation of vita and the ps three. That is just stuck there. And i just wish there was a way to bring it forward even of stuff like if you a big ratchet clank fan and you wanted to go back to the old games. There's you know a couple that you can get on. Ps four via like ps now and things of that nature and obviously the two thousand sixteen game but the record collection and you know so much more of the future series is is mostly stuck to the ps three unless you do now subscription and things like that and so. It's it's just a bummer. That there is not a better future. Proofed way for all this stuff as you were saying. It's been the same problem. Unfortunately with nintendo this generation as well something. I think the very obvious thing. That's been coming up this week and i know you even like slacking a little bit to sam about a so sorry to blow your spinal tap with royd you like. Here's the next to detroit. Shame can't play any of those old. Two d metros in the easy way on nintendo switch i. It's just a thing that you know. Xbox is definitely been getting right this generation. I wish and hope we can see a little bit more from playstation but those stores are still available for now and so if you are worried and you want it to be the easiest way possible to get the games that you still haven't purchased on your your wishlist for ps three and vida Go do that as soon as possible. Anyway with that sad. Let's get into the rest of the news for this week. Starting with a little bit of an interesting thing that he has five games are sort of being tested for. but it's not worldwide. I love demos to start off. I think demos are so cool. Bioshock is one of my hair games of all time. I don't know if i would have loved it so much. Had not just download the demo on a whim and been like oh. This game is incredible. Need to demo desert so so cool and playstation seems to be trying something that i kind of appreciate it and hopefully see. Though there are some kinks to work out with. Sony has apparently begun testing free. Ps five-game trials so euro gamer originally spotted. This as it's something that to be going on in the uk as far as we know but this feature appears only working in the uk on just death stranding director's cut and way big adventure. Essentially you can as if you're watching the video version you'll see. There is a free trial option to add the game to your library. And then you've got a specific amount of hours to play it so you with australian. You get six hours of gameplay and sack boy. You got five hours of gameplay which is far more than i think most demos would ever give you a something your progress carryover. I believe it does. Because i believe it's creating a sort of a safe state for you so this would allow you essentially to be like. Hey i really loved the first four or five hours this game. I don't stop. I'm going to going to download the full thing now. I think there's a very very smart and clever way to get people into some of these games especially big ones like death stranding where you might not know what the hell it is That said the actual amount of time that players will end up spending. The game is likely to be considerably lower because in a strange decision the trial period for each game has been set to trigger from the moment that you select download trial on your console or at library from the web as opposed to when you actually start playing the game so if you have a slow internet download speed If you're downloaded most things it's taking awhile. That could eat up literally a third of the time if it takes two hours to download a massive game So you know something like i think. Sixty eight gigs for string. That is no small amount to download especially for people who don't have gigabit internet which isn't widespread right. High speed. internet is still a problem for a lot of people not just in the us but worldwide. And so you could eat into the free trial. Time just by downloading. Which is you can hear. Could eat to all of it for some You know a lot of people do or download games overnight to be able to play at the next day. And so yeah. This could be thing where you download it. Sorry you don't have any time left. There's also scenarios where like. I do have a gigabit internet at home. And it's and it's it's awesome when you can hardwired directly into a router which i can't do with my tv downstairs. And so sometimes. I just don't really have an option of like if if the internet starts hiccuping downstairs because the wi fi like being stupid and that's just a problem. I have to deal with an. I imagine for a lot of people. If they're councils aren't directly connected into their air internet than just hoping for the best like totally sucks. Like i i i was about to be like i really love this because sepcially fantastic an a game like death stranding frankly personally i would have played five hours out for me but thanks for offer whereas i think The little big planet software game. I would've played five hours in. This is awesome and a sleeper hit. And i was not expecting this and i'm buying this whereas something like canine. I think you can get through. You could get through half the story in so yeah and so brian to your point. I want to hear from both on this. I feel very much the same way. I think conceptually. This is awesome. And i hope they keep doing this. Because like you said it is such a user-friendly experienced feel like. I'm not sure if i'm willing to spend seventy dollars sometimes allen. Ps five games getting to play. And it doesn't have to be like. I obviously think they should get rid of this weird thing where it the timer triggers when you downloaded it. Start with you. Open the game but even if you only got like two hours to play that's a pretty good idea of what you're putting all that money into and i think it's so awesome but yeah they're very fairly clearly feels like there's kinks that need to be worked out of the system you meant you mentioned like the bioshock demos. Some of my favorite demos of all time are Kinda demos you can beat in twenty thirty minutes and they convince you immediately totally With the game is trying to do. Gameplay wise with the game is trying to do Like i've talked about the resin before demo bunch like that immediately sold me. I was like you know this is interesting franchise for awhile. It's got these funny ten controls I love it. Like essentially is a horror fan. These this is great in the revenue. Four demo came out. And i repeat it like one hundred times because i loved it so much and the same thing with bioshock fight night when that demo dropped like I think especially at the start of a council generation like. It's such a cool thing to be like. Here's this you know. Sort of sampler. Platter of different things. I can try out before. I dive in but i. I don't need it to be five hours. Two hours is great. But if those two hours are gone wanted know a wifi signal pinwheel or like a meter fill up. And screw that yeah. It's it's a frustrating element of it. That obviously this is still in a trial period. If it's just in the uk so i hope it's that they adjust if if they expanded more widely and i do hope they do but matt i want to hear from you just in terms of what you thought of of this edition because the at least for me like seeing these sort of. Ps five updates trickle out of nowhere. It is interesting to see their approach to something that i think had fans known this was happening or be a wider service. That was being included. People would be really happy. I'm curious hear what you think of the services a whole on what could be you know. Tweeter kept the same for. Yeah i mean. I'm with you right. I want to believe that Because obviously looks like a trial because it's only one country right like they're gonna get numbers back in like whoa a lot of people who out the demo stuff only actually played like hour of it because they spend five hours downloading a game like a like a string right and at the same time in two minds. I like demos. do i like intentional. Demos you know. I like i like like this. This is a unintentional sliced. That will give people to sort of like encapsulate what we want people to experience or like. Get a sense of because like you play the first sicklets that you. Let's get an instant download stranding ride just hypothetically get thirty minutes downloaded for game that game opens with like an hour or two of cuts. You're not even getting six hours of gameplay you're probably getting like two hours and then the rest is like a movie mother way. I loved us stranding. I'm on the strengthening apologist year. But like i think it might be better if you do actually just like an intentional. Our slice up that stranding that's more purposeful than just the beginning of the game because having played the beginning of that game. I know that i wasn't really invested into detrimental. A hit like our ten right. I six hours were kind of difficult So you know. We'll see. But i like the idea. I like And you know this is one case right district and it's just one game whether demo format might be weird for but yeah i think i think is a great idea i hope they i hope they fix the the start timer or but yeah yeah and and to your point by the way Like it is cool. I think the fact that the. Ps they're taking like an iterative approach. Like ps five features is knee. Because you just don't know what's going to happen next right it can a pavlovian dog beecher in the neck real and you'll never know exactly. Yeah i it will just be built in for me i. I won't see it as a big deal. But yeah i'm with you. I do think when possible bespoke demos are always more interesting. I agree. I agree with you on particular. I think it's like the my favorite section of that game is when you're building the roads and you know expanding the network in that way but you don't do that as you said for at least the first like heavy showers. It's much simpler. So i game like that. I think could benefit from bespoke demo. But something like boy. I think to brian's point you jump into that you kind of know what tack boy is the second you start playing at nitrite. It just gives you a better feel for the controls. The art style and things like that and man i. I know it's not something that every game will wanna do especially to your point of like canes You could beat half the game and then you get into that weird you know the the steam refund thing where you can refund a game before two hours of play so can i beat this game in two hours because then already fund and that's a horrible thing. We the have recently right where his game was two hours long. Everyone finished it and refunded. And there's really there's no there's no workaround for a system like that if you make short game. Yeah yeah and so. I don't think the game trial if it expands. And i hope it does should be applied to necessarily every game because it's not fair to a lot of games but i do think especially for these bigger games especially ones that are maybe harder cells giving people again. It doesn't have to be five or six hours but even like two or three is such an incredible benefit and honestly. It's something they could probably say as a ps plus benefit and. I'd be like yeah. That makes sense that in there. And i've been on i mentioned revenue before i'll say that like a i mean i was. I was in that game no matter what but the demos were something. That immediately made me go okay. I've really like tony where this going. I hate that. They time them hated that so much. Not only were they time but i believe he could only play them like in specific specific weekends or something like that asked. How does it like time periods within those weekends. Yeah and i mean that is like like you gotta wake up early in. Play this game with a gun. Your head is antithetical to the way i experienced that genre like I like to. I like to creep around slowly and tiptoe and collected everything in a game like that and like having having a rush through a demo to make sure i hit the end of it which you know to be fair. They were fairly generous with how you could do that. I saw some players in reach the an-and that's fine but That i wasn't a fan of that despite loving demo and ended up loving the game. So i think like i'm glad at demos are are still here For the longest time it was you could download them or you could get a a a disk and playstation magazine. And there'd be a bunch on there or you get a demo disc in you know as a pure boehner system like that. I love stuff like that. I hope demos never go away. I understand why they're a pain in the ass for companies to develop a vertical slice of something that has to function on its own virtually problem-free outside of a game that they're already developing so i think it is smart to go. Hey the game finished already. You can just play the first few hours of it or something like that so i yeah i hope i hope we figure out a good push in bull here because i want demos to stick around forever in some form totally. Yeah there's there's no one size fits all for that. And so i think both methods are totally viable to matt's point like i totally love bespoke demo but if if a developer didn't plan for that in in in their scope and production pipeline. It could be a massive cost and so a game like this. Let's them have another outlet to do that but if they did plan for it we could get something really really cool in that way. So yeah it's it's an interesting thing. And i don't think will be perfect for every game. But it's really cool to see and playstation. Please keep trying to make it work and embiid interesting. Use of the service because i do think it is an awesome addition for for. Ps five players. Sure moving on from there did wanna talk about what i've dubbed in our run of show the worst kept secret and gaming at the moment The gte trilogy that continues and continues to leak I feel like this is just one of the funniest stories. i've seen a while matt. I know the news team has been covering it a lot. So i don't know if you want to discuss any of the finer points of it Obviously there have been rumors for that. There was a classic trilogy coming. We've seen logos achievement images like database entries from rockstar in their launcher on. Things taiwanese ratings him. Yeah yeah that was one of them. I'd love to take credit. I love to be like. Yeah we we we. We followed the clues uncovered this but they just put it out there. We're just logged into the internet. Like up there it is. It's and then like every subsequent week is more evidence that this is a real thing and it's just you know at this point i'm I'm willing to eat a hat if it doesn't exist but it so clearly does obviously because he said there's just references to it like within the data of the rockstar launcher the logo and the achievements leaked today and you can just look at all of them The ratings or thing is the reigning raining for stuff is not a hundred percent all the time. But it's pretty damn close. And i believe it was raided by multiple countries at this point so yeah Yeah this is just no real effort on our part. We just woke up one day and it was there a massive digging. Once i am this this was our spotlight watergate. I like the idea of a movie adaptation of like. Somehow you guys have been working on a story for months and the rockstars like oh she just put in the right now. I'm hoping this follows. The trajectory of the recent kosovan advance collection. Which went from. I hope this is the thing to. Oh sounds like this might be a thing to playing it. That went from. We got rated and a week later. You could purchase it for twenty bucks. And i did immediately And that's that's awesome. I think that's what should happen here. I also think that like this is. This is kind of a very good. I mean there's no good time to launch games. 'cause we're inundated with video games now owes our forever for some reason now. There's just a way to work. You know christmas is all your now but the recent Gt five trailer on. Ps five is the most down voted five trailer. Ever people are utterly fatigued by that game despite the fact that it still makes it literally billions of dollars every second. My numbers could be a little often. But it's immensely successful people just want. Gt a six. But i think this is a good sort of like stopgap may make good is to kind of do a victory lap. That said it is and we screw is screwed this up yesterday with the fix on this story in our headline we said it was a remake remote. We know it's not it's a remastered right so don't expect a full on demon soul style. Blue point thing happening here But that said like you know having this this game run natively on you know next. Console is end looking really clean. Sixty s h may be thrown in cool rape It is also true. The rockstars sort of been systematically pulling down a lot of the fan mods for this game been created over the years although the hd remakes of the gts games in texture packs and stuff like that which sucks to see but it also. You know where there's smoke there's fire so i'm down to play these games again especially vice city. Because i think that's like one of the best open world games ever made super fun. And i just hope this becomes real. I just hope they put it out. Because we're rapidly approaching this week alone is like far cry. Metro dread the switch lead like nickelodeon all star fighting boys. Or whatever. is this man. We're we're in nonstop mode. The idea of like three obviously remastered older open world games but three quite lengthy open world games turned into the mix as you said. There's no good time for that but probably before twenty twenty. Two everything is being released is is a better time. Yeah i'll make time for this now. Not not elven ring. Time when he comes out like get outta here choji remassed. Yeah god just thinking of next year is like scary and exciting and the best and worst ways. But i want to ask both of you. Because as i've said on on the show before having grown up in a good catholic household is not allowed to play to the older. Gta's until i have never played three vice city or senate us. And so i guess mad. I don't know your history with them so on lead them. I'm with you. I also never play the original games. Gte f- or was my very first uta game and that wasn't even mine like borrowed or friends copy. Yeah i'm excited. I've heard so many good things about vice city for so long that i'm really excited. Tried out at long long last. Yeah me too and bryan kinda wanted to hear from you have just like where you think is a good starting point for for people who do on. These have mean assuming this this. This trilogy is is priced at a at something. That doesn't feel like a total screw job to the audience Then i think start with. Gte three and just jump in and go. Hey what like this is. This is one of the most definitive open world games ever made even from a historical standpoint. What's it like to experience this game. Now how much did This influence sort of modern open world crime driven game And then from there you can kind of hop around. I like i like i said i really really love by city. I think that that has one of the most coolest color palettes and tones of any open world. Game it's It strikes really good balance of being like fun but also having some totally serious stuff in it a without getting bogged down in the sort of separate tone filter that i think Yacht entity four specifically side note. Gte for seems to be this. Like red-headed headed stepchild for them. Like that it's just not like yeah. Yeah i don't know why and it made a billion dollars to again numbers could be a little off there but hugely successful game got some great. Dlc packs and it just doesn't it doesn't get talked about by like so much focuses on five and now we're talking about the trilogy again But yeah vice. He's awesome Got this awesome. Sort of like pseudo. Florida like eighty s. You know just greasy scarface like cocaine like tommy. Bahama italian crap going on. It's just so much fun In it's like i think that these games hold up like there's my big concern with these games honestly and the sort of quality of life stuff i want. Is that one of the biggest issues playing them back in the day which i guess we didn't notice at the time was at the mission structure specifically for when you die is a massive pain in the ass. It is not only a part of their design philosophy to make your replay everything that you lost but also make replay a lot of the sections where you're driving to the mission to start the mention. This was later rectified in subsequent she games but early on this is a problem. And it's one of the things that keeps me from wanting to revisit these games and so i hope that stuff like that gets tweaks. I hope there's little things under the hood that become a little easier There's also like in a little while for these games. Get going and i think a lot of people just want to jump in and start causing chaos. So i hope that kind of stuff that they fixed too but i mean the idea of being able to play these games consoles. Pc's or even switched was part of the rumors is super cool. And i think the You know just for people that have played. Gte games in the past like a really fun to revisit. I don't think you need to finish them. If you don't feel like you have the time to like packaging all three of these games. I don't really see them. I don't really want them to charge more than thirty forty dollars for all three of them. Who knows maybe there's a bunch of new sort of bells and whistles that they can justify the sixty bucks seven rice range for but these games have been dirt cheap on legacy consuls for ages now and pc ports have been dirt cheap. So i really hope. This isn't like a big rip off thing we'll see. Yeah it it's interesting not to know the scope of it. And i guess just before we wrap up and move on. That was sort of. My big question is like it's very funny. Just how obviously this is a thing that is being made and yet rockstars not set a thing in my. My only thought is that they are waiting for a similar to to castle. Vania here it is and it's out now for the anniversary. Which is i think coming up later this month of. Gt three so. Like i assume that is the reason we are not getting acknowledgement. But before we do like either of you have any other theories about why it just seems to be. This keeps leaking. But we're just not going to not going to announce it at this rate we're gonna get we're just gonna get price leak if we don't get an official the prices just gonna come out in some twitter ad for that. Wasn't supposed to go live or something i mean. They're a notoriously secretive heavily guarded company. That doesn't let a lot of secrets out. Which is uncharacteristic that these leaks or even happening to begin with. But i went on like a visited. Their offices When i was in town new york comical years ago. I got invited over. And they're like oh we'll give you an office tour and this is before red was unveiled. So i got there i got on the elevator. Saw the rock star logo. And they're like well. That's all we can show you cigar cool so i get it you know but i just yeah i hope i opted these games. Get a good price and i hope they get a release date soon ish. Yeah it definitely feels like this fall would be the good time to release especially With the Always amusing fact to me of. Gte five being delayed is just the funniest things to be able to say. Twenty twenty one so gte five delayed. Hopefully these games come out this fall. Because i yeah i. I'm totally with you. I really would like to spend some time with them. And this holiday season feels like the right time before as he said elden ring and horizon and god of war and gotham knights and thirteen massive open world games. Come out would not hurt to be able to jump into these now with that said. Want wanna move on to just a couple other pieces news before we jump into water playing briefly. Want to mention for those who do subscriber for those who are interested in the service and keeps a watchful eye on the october games for playstation now include. Actually the last of us part to fallout seventy-six desperadoes three final fantasy eight remastered a and a few other games are joining lineup. Joined yesterday so they are currently available in playstation. Now i had to move to see the date on my computer screen so those will be there like with other big sort of playstation first party games in. Ps now the last of us will leave the service on january third. So if you're subscriber you kind of know how much time you have to spend game. Luckily it is not a three hundred hour world games. You should be able to buy them. I'm brian just too quickly thirty you. I think it's really cool that we continue to see these headliners for ps now of like really major especially recent station Four exclusives i just. It feels like there's something missing to the service like it just feels like they are not capitalizing on what could be a bigger deal. Yeah this is a like. It's an amazing restaurant with terrible signage. And like the story of the storefronts just beat up in miserable and old in. You're like what's going on in there. And it's like really great food. Like it's kind of a bummer. To me that this is like first of all. It's awesome that these games are coming up. He has now. If you're subscribe to that service that's a tremendous value add and being able to play a big ask aaa first party game like the last of us to is huge. You know. I'm not crazy about the sort of limited time limit. You have to do that like you said. Jonathan like plenty of time to play that game That said in. We've said this in the past. I wish there was a a playstation lust. Here that just bundled this. I would gladly. I would gladly pay the extra money to make this one sort of concurrent annual payment. That says here's your. He has now games with month. Here's your plus Online access and you get access to discounts the store. That's your service at your tier done. You know like. I personally don't really understand why these these services feel like completely different divisions under the same company on the same consoles perpetually bizarre to me i i also got like a sort of a soft relaunch in twenty nine thousand nine. I believe yelm and most of you don't know that because by you because that's not that's not really been the thing that they're they've really pushed front and center. It's odd right like it. Just feels like this service that they own that. They're they're proud of that. They are nurturing in some capacity but the average user isn't talking about it or using it and this is anecdotal. i don't have the exact data on how many places now subscribers are arbor's. ps us. But i can shot in the dark guests that he has pluses significantly more popular with users. And that's a problem. Not a problem that he has plus popular. But it's a problem that they have the service that it is being ignored and you know i. I don't think it's my job or any of our jobs particularly to get on shows like this and be like yes subscriber like. It's on sony to go this. What this this this adds to the value and this is how we can roll this into something. You're already paying like seems pretty simple. Xbox has a game has ultimate thing they've dipped in gold and stuff like that different tiers. It gets a little wonky over there right. Nintendo's now about to announce it pricing for whatever their sixty four Structured here of nintendo online is going which online expansion pack the expansion that will tongue in cheek joke based on a like a little red cube thing inside your system that you see. There's there's something here is a cool. There's multiple cool services here. That should be a jammed together and make something enticing for for people like us the de-subscribe all at once simple is totally for reference. I just sent you were mentioning. As of march thirty first. There were three point two million playstation now subscribers and as of june twenty twenty one there were forty six point three million playstation plus subscribers. That's that's absolutely abysmal. Like i'm sorry that's what how many how many playstations are currently being used between. Ps four nps five three something million. That's abysmal. yeah and there's some it feels like if you told people this was a thing more or as he said bundled the ps plus it would be such an easier. I think for a lot of nimble madame curious on your take on a to don't think we've had you on we've discussed. Ps now like what's going on there but you know asking back and forth between this game. Pass them curious to hear your thoughts. I mean i'm sure. What i'm going to say is not something that hasn't been discussed on this show before you know my. It's it's weird right because it's not even like this like crazy out there concept right. East kinds of services have now are popular on xbox It's not like there's a big heavy lift to try and like explain this to people. 'cause you can really just be like this version of that and i think people be like. Oh yeah i get that you know. So it's it's a little weird. It's a little weird that a and like they were ahead of the time for so long is now eat came out way ahead of its competitors was rough at launch from what i've heard but like it was an interesting and they. They bought an entire like cloud service company to do it so it it sucks to get a head start on something and maybe just a little too early with it or or some sort of concept that i you know. Yeah no one. Obviously you said it. Like three million people is is nothing in terms of the user base nobody is using the same essentially. and so. that's just it's weird. Yeah it's like. I think you could have probably put in with every five years know six months to ps now to play some of our older games. You probably get at least a couple people to keep that going. Even if it's just forgetting to cancel their subscription on their credit card Yeah it's a service. That i think all of us here in bryan know we've talked about before we don't personally subscribe to You know i've i've dipped into it here and there but i don't keep a subscription to it but if it were consistent part of i think the wider offering i would care about more right and yeah as you said it feeling like it is a separate division just makes it feel less important and i think there is a a future where it can and should be part of. Ps plus just a another part of that offering a like maybe free trials like some other stuff but again i just until it is. It's this weird sort of thing in the corner. That could be a great opportunity but just doesn't always seem to be taken advantage of. Yeah i mean it's worth. I think it's worth putting. The xbox game has has what just under nine hundred million subscribers globally and. That's not the most amazing numbers in the world. Especially if you look at the plus numbers you just sat right but the difference is i feel like microsoft is just constantly yelling about it and constantly adding new games to it and making big thing about it whereas it does sort of feel like i mean there was that shawn layden quote the other day about their playstation games coming to pc And he talked about how like. They aimed the those first party games coming to pc as an opportunity to reach an audience. They hadn't reached once. Those games had already sort of hit market saturation on consoles and i do wonder if they look at station now almost as a competitor to themselves because they can make seventy bucks off of i already game or sixty bucks off of Game like of us or they can drop it for free on there or you know for a subscription fee for a couple of bucks a month and that does take away from the big picture of them. You know dominating sales charts. I think that's just a different philosophy than and microsoft has right now for better or worse. It seems to be working well for sony. They are still the market leader and they're making a ton of money so i do wonder if that's part of it if they're just sort of like we're doing this but we don't wanna make a big deal about it That's like you said. Jonathan it is a great place to find older games. And so i wish i wish they marketed that aspect of it especially while they are simultaneously being like. Hey it's it's we're making it really difficult to buy old games now. yeah. I'm very much like i understand. Why they are aren't and probably won't for some time if ever put day and date release is on a thing like ps now. And i. i don't expect them to for their first party games. And that's fine Like the strategy is working for them and while continues to work. I don't expect the change. But yeah i'm very much in favor of like. He has now. Seems like a great way to showcase the wider library of why you care about playstation not just this generation but older and it is a thing of like all i really loved the last of us part to and maybe you bought it. Maybe you played through. Ps now i wanna see what else they've worked on. Oh i never played uncharted. Because i just bought. Ps five and didn't have a ps three ps four. Let me go play them on. Ps now opportunities like that feel like what could be doing and it just. I wish it was a bigger thing. But for now A cool month of offerings for people especially if he didn't pick up loss west per to launch last year. I actually does take advantage of the. Ps five patch for sixty frames per second. So if you are planning on. Ps five via ps. Now you can get that and that's really cool because they haven't yet introduced. Aps five games to ps now. So that's a neat little bonus anyway moving on from there. Though the last thing i did focus on was just another sort of long just eating rumor that came to a head with a bit more of a wider scope of what may be going on and that is what's going on with these days. Obviously brian we were talking last week about castleblaney advanced collection which we both love those games in that series now a wide report from vga and a few other places Seems to confirm and double down on rumors that they are focusing not just on silent hill which has been along just dating rumor but silent hill metal gear and castle vania are all in various stages of some production so the just to kind of run quickly through them. Vga reported that nahmias refocusing on developing games within best series. One of those first games will be a reimagining of castle. Vania being developed primarily by internal studios They are also planning masters of the original metal gear solid games for new consoles as well as a potential full remake of melba solid. Snake eater euro gamer also reported a head considered. An md has three remake for some time and then early scrap version. Apparently even used the fox engine from five Anyway and then moving on from there of course is the sort of reaffirming redoubling down a things that we've heard for some time that multiple silent hill games are in development with one at a prominent japanese developer and of course the continued rumors and speculation. That bluebird team may be working on to silent hill. Game as well matt. I do want to start with you just And and do not of course but matt from your side. Wh which of these would you be potentially most interested in like which of these areas do you have a vested interest in order. Just your general thoughts about where canabis out right now boy. That is a loaded question. John okay okay. For the longest time it was obvious sun hill. I love horror games. I'm in for lucy here. I love horrigan. That i love sound hill but i have a you know. I've been saying it for so long. That i'm sort of just cooled on it myself. Even at this point i just showed it to me like at this point. I'm no longer like anticipating or thinking about what a nissan hill like. I'm just like whatever you got working on. I'll see it. And then i'll make judgment there so for honestly. Now it's probably the m. Three full on remake a light. That is a game that is that still holds up. But i mean you know. Even if they're not using fox engine like new magin just current gen assets visuals for mgm. it'd be be sick as hell. And i'm so excited for that. I've never been really a big gasoline guys. But i've played enough and i've i've enjoyed. Would i played. But i'm not like a castleblaney of and so i'm interested to see what they look. I did play that could Reimagining the lords of shadows tally. Yeah yeah it was awful. I hated sucks. So whenever whatever new castle vanity make. I hope it's sort of like what you're doing. What metro you know like they're doing. Msci dread which is as like modern take on the old to the formula. Think that really good way to heckler franchise and not turn it into something. That is not because i want to reiterate lords of shadows. Yeah castle vigna had a weird sort of comedown period from man that awesome. Just run of gpa and ds es releases just back to back toback. Kind of really awesome bangers. Even the worst of them was still very good and so it was really great to see an hour in this place of like. I don't know what Castle via is too and brian. I do want to hear your thoughts on it because like they have been focusing on these these remastered collections of of the older games. Not just the ones previously so like. They know people love these older games. So how how much are they gonna re imagine it like what. What would you wanna see from a modern castle. Vania i love matches said about The metro dread approach. I think that that's the way to do it. And there's a similar franchises. Interestingly metro in savannah because they started off as two days they've been Somehow joined together in a genre term forever whether they like it or not And they they also had weird experiments in three d. some of which were successful son worm. Lords of shadows was kind of slog and. I'm kind of a bummer. And not really what i wanted. I i think that there are people who really like the old school sort of hackensack Sort of straightforward calvin games. That are two d- You know stuff like dracula acts in super castagna and then those people that love the sort of metro vania castle stuff. That's you know you can get an item and you come back and break door that you couldn't kick down earlier you know i. I love that stuff. I'm really happy that they Putting some of the legacy games on modern pod people can appreciate them this. All of this feels like on hd master of rumors that we've discussed on the show. Before like i. i'm with matt as well. I just want this stuff to start materializing. I want to know what it is It's I read something the other day that they're sort of like asking indie devs to come up with hitches for games and whoever won would get a eighth eighteen thousand. Us dollars. that's socks. I'm gonna call administrative say that sucks as much as it sucks when influence or goes on twitter and goes. Hey fifty bucks. Whoever makes me the best logo sucks do not do not gamified. Contest at of people out of creative types with a paltry rewards. It's miserable and pathetic. Don't do that. what they should be doing is using their keen is which i assume there's at least a couple left at the company. Look around and go. Hey who is a really awesome company that matches our aesthetic and our our consistencies games right. Now who should make a modern metal gear game who should make a modern silent hill game. I mean i think everyone who listens to the show could sit down and tell you right now in the comments. Who's who's who's like way forward would make an awesome castellini game yacht. Club would make an awesome castle game like there's a bunch of bill you compare with who make great hard game you know like who could make a great Silent hill or a three d gas with this all these options there. And i like that so much better than just being like. Hey you know. I'm i'm a big king. All the justice coming as jokes and i'll throw rupees at your feet like that sucks. It sucks so much. don't do that. So yeah i can. Nami is it had a really really crappy decade or so. And they've done really really stupid stuff and they deserve to be roasted over the coals for a lot of very very bad decisions. They're also responsible for some of the most legendary. Ip's in video game history and to see those things get squandered Has and will continue to break my heart so yes take these. Take these games. Take these franchises compare them with competent an excellent developers and pay them for it and give us great games. It seems pretty simple to me like if you can't make them yourself because you too busy and pachinko land or schoonover. Your healthcare of your employees did pay people to make your franchises in the great modern games instead of squandering them simple as that. That's all a there with you. It's wild how for so long it has just been like. They hold the keys to the kingdom of such beloved franchises. And get to your point. I don't know what melchior would look like. Obviously i haven't played the series much. But i know about it in the ether in. It's so to be joined with kajima. Newer games would be like without him. I think they really need to kind of figure that that vision output remakes of the games that are beloved ways of getting them off councils like m. g. s. four is still just locked on the ps three getting people access to those games and showing them why they care about it but go a really long way and it just seems like such an easy win well so they they did make metal gear without could most called melchior survived. It was not great weird weird not rate thing but yeah i mean we're in we're in this world of of ip is king know dan stapleton roy is ears are burning right now. But but yeah. It's true like they've got such beloved things and it's just okay so you know how there's rumors forever right. And so apparently like there's a bad blood between konami and kajima when they when they parted with each other and that's why it excludes for all the all the weird shenanigans but like it's free real estate right just unbe. Pt for sixty f- ps selling for ten dollars. And that's just money right on the table and it's just weird that they're these things that they're just not doing because or whatever reasons either either. There's some sort of weird legal stuff or really is just like nursing. Yeah like it's just crazy to me that were in twenty twenty one. We're now just like we might make games again. These three pillar franchises that everybody in the industry loves heading. Be a very significant factor honestly. They there was outspoken. Notable craters at worked on and pioneered these franchises that had fairly public breakup with nami. And maybe they're just like an angry about it and they don't wanna touch these things but then these rumors start coming out and you're like well and do something. please do. So yeah it's and bryant here put like it's been a decade or like there's just been such a long stretch of silence for so many of these these franchises as matt. You're saying that hillary's of the industry that pretty much. Everyone agrees if they made something. Good at new lot of people would be happy. And it's just yeah. It feels like such a missed opportunity. So i am very cautiously hopeful for things but yeah as as you pointed out like there is a lot of bad blood between the creators of these franchises and the company who still controls them until like does the company who still control them have the foresight and ability to put them in the right hand. Even if it's not those original creators some don't know some of the most important video game series in the history of medium have have passed through. The hands of different craters have switched genres entirely. They've switched perspectives entirely. Sometimes unsuccessfully but many times successfully you know like the the people working on the first resin evil game. the people. Working on the newest rosen. Evil game are not the same team of people you know. Metro prime was not developed. I you know a team of people that were developed by people in austin texas. You know not a team of japanese game devs like there's things change things evolve and the but the fundamentally these stories in these franchises in these games characters are awesome so like i personally like you know. We were talking a bioshock before when we finally do that. Bioshock four. reveal. Whatever like two ks rumoring for years. I'm i'm open minded about it. If it sucks it sucks. But like i'm down to try it. I'm ken levine. Won't be working on it. We know that. And that's okay. But it's it's a cool concept and if someone wants to take on that story and make something new with it. I'm i'm knocking just protest. It just in in theory unless like it looks like garbage dollars if this is a bunch of problems about it then you know. Screw you but i'm down to try new things based on old things that aren't being made anymore and i think it's also something that just speaks to a general thing that i think we tried to make sure we made clear on. The shock was talking a little bit about the creators in konami having blowouts and that causing refs but none of these games are single developer. These are games that especially as the series went on our can be made by hundreds of people and so an totally tier point. Brian like i am totally fine. If really beloved series changed hands it is just a natural part of the way i p as matt was saying d. Dan would hate. But as i works. It's just a changes hands. And so that's okay. I just hope they're baked some like. I just want something to be made at this point. It is as you both are saying. It's like we have such a quiet time. Just make these games and if there had they're bad but at least you tried something yup Actually i want to add one quick thing. And that's just because he said something just now but like to be economic. Did you know like silent hill changed hands right and i think i think we have to kill our on our end as as audiences in place. We'll have to be willing to meet them halfway killer darlings right because they made sound hill a shattered memories which was made by completely different he not at all by original team and the hardcore sign hill and basil out. We won't touch anything. That's not by team silent right but shattered memories is one of the sound hell games. I've ever i lost that game And it just didn't get a fair shake because there was like a really like calcified audience that really just only want latest one one one group and so i think you know i think maybe if they and you know obviously they also tried with melchior survive and to those more great so but you know i think maybe you know i could see a thinking where we gave it a shot External teams and just people didn't bite. You will then give it shot. So why bother you know so. I think there's a little. There's a compromise that we can reach. When i think maybe by me time right and people are just at this point. We'll take anything you know. We'll we'll do whatever at this point. So maybe maybe now is why. The rumors starting yuck totally. I really just about to be cliche. Time heals all wounds But maybe hopefully it does when it comes to corporate ownership and the way those things change hands because van. i'd love to see some new castle vania but obviously if and when these things happen we will be reporting on them on jan will be talking about them on the show and i hope there are some surprises in store they. They've taken their time so let's hope they're cool. But in the meantime that largely wraps up all the big play station news for this week except for of course whatever playstation announces between unrecorded and this post but i to move on from there. Let's talk a little bit about what we've been playing brandon. Do wanna start with you because as you matching this very busy week releases. Some of those are very nintendo leaning But one of them is multiplatform. Are crisex which. I know you're playing a fair bit of here thoughts on so let's get this out of the way real quick. I love cry. I'm a huge fan of it. I have not i've not reached. I've been there. But i haven't reached the level of fatigue that others have experienced with a. I'm also one of those people that I play one of these games every two or so years. I played for thirty forty hours. I don't sometimes i- hundred senate. Sometimes i platinum it but these are really fun. Giant who fee occasionally serious sandbox games for me that i have an absolute blast lying in one of my favorite video game franchises. Ever just as you're alone. I replayed about four or five of them. I'm working on some features about far cry. I love this series owes. Have i think it's it's absolutely been hit or miss in the past. I think that Five was neither to goofy nor too serious. I don't think. I don't think it truly succeeded in any of the things that was accomplishing. I appreciated it for what it was trying to do. But that said there's a lot of sort of contention around the series that people are like it's the same thing over and over again. it's too stale. it needs to totally reinvent itself. I personally don't think that it needs a complete overhaul. But i think that far cry six is adding new stuff to it and trying enough new ideas while still kind of far cry comfort food that i appreciate the hell about a of of what it's doing. I really really really like far classics. Really do I think that it brings back a lot of the sort of like fun colorful crazy. Open world you know. Tropical nonsense of far three. I think it brings some of the Functionalities sensibilities that we saw in foreign five a at a lot of really great features in terms of reversal and sort of like diversity of The way you can approach a any a given objective and it's just a absolutely gorgeous game. I really love Danny role house the new Protagonists she's wonderful. I think it's moved away a lot from the sort of Early two thousands. A extreme gopro edge lord like like the series longtime. It's way less x. Games now it is kind of a more grounded although there's still a lot of goofy nonsense my Animal companion so far in the fifteen hours i've played has been wapo. The alligator who is a old tooth alligator with a t shirt that eats enemies on command. I agree yes. He's so great. Yeah i was gonna say not to interrupt you but yeah like i. You definitely have way more deep knowledge and love for this year than i do. I loved three played a fair bit of four but dropped off relatively quickly played a decent chunk of primal dropped off a bit quickly and then pretty pretty quickly dropped off of five. But i'm right. I'm so really having a lot of fun sex. And i do think a little bit of it is like i do play other ubisoft. Open world games and so the fatigue hasn't said in for me because i skipped so much a far cry recently but yet there's like in the first couple hours as you were saying. I have a friend buddy alligator who will trump enemies on commander. Let me pet him. I have a flame thrower a car with a massive machine gun on it and a backpack that shoots missiles like. It's just silly in a in a fun way. yeah no. that's exactly. Yeah and i think that like the so. They act the skill tree in this game. Which i was immediately kind of like upset about it because i i love. I love the kind of mild. Rpg elements they put in previous far. Cry games refill meters. All of a sudden. You like killed you know x. amount of people. I can put some points into this and blah blah blah blah. But it turns out that that was for the better here because this game has more rpg customization than i've ever seen in of our card game and frankly in most first person shooters and like a quick background. On that i actually. I think i really like first person shooters and i hate online multiplayer like and and so that doesn't leave me a lot to work with I don't wanna play call of duty multiplayer every year in like you know run around those same environments kill streaks and stuff like that not really my thing. I don't really care. But i really like the metric prime games. I think that there's a lot you can do with that. Perspective in terms of like platforming in grappling hooks. And you know all that fun stuff. And i love the playground element of these games. They feel more first-person. Gta to me and they do like a first person has hasn't creed or something like that. So while yes they definitely have a little bit of that. You saw formula. I appreciate that these games take on different settings and this one specific specifically is letting me play with all these crazy. Low doubts i can. I can Find a bunch of scraps and customized gun my weapons political perks on each one of them. I can you know. Hang weird keychains on the front of my rocket launcher. I can a upgrade my alligator. I can you know outfit my car that i can call on command with all this crazy stuff and i'm just having so much fun playing it. It's also a game that lets you be stealthy when you want to. Which i think like another thing. I really like stealthy stuff in games but i don't like games. That are entirely stealth. I spent an hour and a half this morning playing game sneaking around the compound just like you know systematically knifing people in the back of the neck and then a helicopter spotted me and started shooting missiles at my at my pet and blew a mob and i ran over to save him and then just how to pull out rocket launcher and just go loud on everybody and it's just fun as hell man. I think that that's just like a thing that like we kind of lose track of a lot with video games. I think that like sometimes it's just really cool and they're just really fun and this is really fun to me. And so i think if you're looking for like a big old new open world game and you don't feel completely fatigued on the series Then please check out mark's like it is it is just like just a really really fun game it's challenging. The world is gorgeous and massive the new cities they added a really fun to explore reversal. Verticality weapon options are great. You can do all sorts of horses in this game. this is just. It's just a good time. And that's that's what i need right now. I haven't traveled at all in two years. So i don't know robert around a tropical island blown-up stuff and the ho- hop on jet skis a shoot dudes. The now like i used to shoot took vacation. You know said too much i mean i like big big hearty two thumbs up for me on this game. I love it. I can't wait to play more. I'm happy it's here. yeah. I'm glad you're joining the i. I've been having a lot of fun with it too. I've definitely much earlier on. But i'm i'm very curious to see how i feel about it as you know. We've talked about the us off fatigue. In terms of how. I feel forty hours in but now i feel like it is different enough from the fatigue is kind of feeling with assassin's creed that i'm enjoying and want to keep going. Yeah there's just something loud and fun about the game options in. I'm not nearly enough in the story to commentate on how it how it's tackling the issues that it seems to want to tackle but At at least on a mechanical level. I'm having a lot fun with it. Yeah really really glad to hear you have been as well. Are you okay so you. I'm fine gotten cat. Wants to leave the room. Okay feel feel free to quickly literally out of course and while he does that. I'm going to say matt loves far. Cry is well. I don't know if that's true. But before before we get to games mass pike. Anything else anything else on on your recent like play doctor that you've been enjoying no finished circle of the moon. In the castle collection. I moved on a harmonized distance. Which is A comically over compensates. For how dark the first game as just one of the most neon castellini games in existence. And because of that Eat soundtrack takes a hit. It's all a bit Is they put all the skill points into the graphics department. I think the soundtracks awesome The the game itself is kind of frustrating. Because it's kind of a pain in the ass to there's a lot of backtracking in that game uncovered fifty percent of the night before. I unlock the double jump. So i'm yeah. I'm excited to chip away at that. And make my way to area of sorrow which is just the best. My favorite tutti house of any game up there with symphony that obviously. That's such a treat to get access my favorite trilogy so yeah so plan that love him. So much yeah. I am still in circled the moon but really enjoying that trilogy but going to find time between that far cry and it just everything else have one or two games read. How dare you. You've showed the xbox on the trailer now like fools how that's for the video version of the show for anyone watching anyway. Matt i want to hear from you. What have you been playing recently that you've been jar. Yeah i didn't fill out this beforehand so realize this just may have made it difficult for read i'm I'm sorry but i've been playing judgment. I'm still early in. It's a long game as yard. G g studios games are fun basically Here's what i'm gonna say if you love yakuza and do not like turn based jr. Bg's in are kind of just bummed about the about the new direction. There's a perfectly good judgment right like it's the exact same cockney you know just beat up lows of dudes with insane combos and hit him with nearby bicycles traffic cones and beat up teenagers. Who are rude to you. It's great you just you could just kick butt and take names and there's a there's a very serious someone died. There's a murderer at the at the center of the story and that's pretty dramatic and that's pretty different from the other stuff. But if you're like i would like to. I would like to walk around this town and beat up everybody. Who looks at me mean you can do that. It's it. it's really funny. I always hear that dismissal. With these games and i played a little bit of the first judgment. Want go back to it before i jump into law judgment but it is that funny. It's like yeah. There's a murder mystery at the center of it. And there's some really serious things. But the thing i keep seeing like oh but also you can inspire kids with a dance routine at the raisin and i just love that that distance of the of these games. It's it's great. You know how you know how you see a little like that. You'd be soft. Dna right you can get losses created in your front cry alright. Sega makes a lot of good rhythm games right. I don't know if you've ever played the Coup rhythm games right and you get a little of that in judgment and yahtzee and all that stuff little sampler of some good stuff in there too but yeah. It's very funny to talk about that game. Because like one of the best opening moments of it is. There are a couple of rude teenagers. Bullying this hapless match right and they're just snot nosed punks. Beat them up and the game. Yeah yeah so you do. But then also the the main central story is really just like heavy touches on like bullying and japanese culture and stuff like that and and and really serious issues. Which i'm not too far in. I've read some read some criticisms that game kind of dropped the ball in this subject matter. It it's really. It's really tough to stomach. at some. at some points but again dance contests fight beat up bullies the bullies Lot of flavors. I love it. Those games have arcades in them where you can play classic sake against two. that's Like what you were saying unlike celebrating sega's legacy like they're so good at that in those games. Is it matt for you are you. Did you play like a dragon. Like how do you feel about the split between the two. I like both dragons. I'm not super big into jared. Pg's but i don't like hate them. And i felt like a dragon was a moderate. Like it's not too heavy right like it's kinda like persona non same way where it's accessible to me. I'm revisiting some old things. Like i played on fantasy ten recently. And that's like a hard core old school j. rpg. And i cannot do it like fashion for me so in i need a little something a little lighter a little little more like add friendly. I feel like that kind of weird. Like i do. Have a short attention span for this kind of stuff and you really have to either really into numbers really into intimate maxine. Or you don't have to be and so like a dragging great for me. But i also like lhasa gal because the games so i have both i really both and it's great. Yeah i really appreciate that. They were like we feel like we found something really cool with like a dragon. They wanna keep focusing on that but they didn't wanna take away what people love about yuccas in general and it's like well. We have a spin off series that we made that was well received. Kind of is a similar game. So let's just put the attention. There can have these two tracks going at the same time as israeli interesting. I really want to get into that series. But man i just i look at it in the same way that people look at me when i say kingdom hearts and like other like twelve of them to to play through it yeah. It's it's definitely daunting. I put about twenty six hours into Yuccas zero and loved it and then it just it just kept going and there were parts of it that grabbing then ultimately i got distracted and then knowing that there were so many other games between that and Like a dragon. Which i really wanna play. Because i'm a lot like you. I really dig like i. I love a lot of things about rpg's and then there's a lot of things i don't about our rpg's under there's some of them that just like totally nail the parts that are specifically for me Like the south park rpg. I loved because it was just like. Oh you guys made like a weekend. Rpg for may you know twelve hours long and it's got it's got stats items. You know all that fun stuff. But also i don't feel like i have to eighty hours in an yakuza games are like here's a little bit of that but it's still going to be eighty hours. Man this is tough. But i i appreciate how those games are really really wanna get back to them. Yeah it's it's here. That i keep saying i'll make the time for and haven't yet i. Maybe just need to bite the bullet and do that. It's not like there are any remastered trilogy of open world games out this fall to distract me. Otherwise but yeah. That's basically my problem right now. Is i went to look back at things. Like i was starting far christ six. I played a little bit of nickelodeon all stars silly fight buddies and was having a lot of fun with it as as a smash fan who kind of fell off smash for awhile is and as an old school nickelodeon fan. It's just really fun to have. Spongebob beat up. And then april o'neil from ninja turtles shows up. And then what are the real monsters. They're also to taunt your nightmares. It's great and we are never tar and rich are just comes. I like i love the silliness of that. But like i played a couple of matches of that was having a really good time like if i don't put it in fifty hours to this i'm not going to be good at this game to like fight on a competitor whatsoever and so when we can definitely won't have mitchell saltzman on the show he is he's busy working on coverage of this game so that's why he's not on this week but when he can be. We'll definitely do a longer talk. Because he and. I are big playstation. All stars battle royal fans to and without that getting sequel. This is sort of our next best hope on playstation at the moment and it was having a lot of fun with that i was dipping into far cry. But then i looked at oh. I've stopped playing like ten different games in the last two months. And i just need to go back to some of them had finished them and that is like the scary call that i have to make right now is like i just don't know where to go next. I've said this for years. But i really wish every game had previously on this new game. Yeah and it was just baked in. I know that's extra development costs and time but like if you go a couple months playing a game and you come back and it'd be just nice to have something go. Hey you're old and dumb and entire ears Here's where you were last game. Yeah and i'm like holding a key. And i have no idea where i need. I need control. Refresher is that's right. Yeah yeah hey. It's been like two months since he last played this. Would you like to learn how to control the game again. Yes please yeah. A lot of games have decent like lower backdrops. That i guess i can always go check in. But yeah it's totally. I even just going back to like goes tsushima for the gallon expansion a month or two ago i was like oh i forget how to play this game and i could not walk or or perry correctly for the first like three hours because i was just a mess of timing but That would that would be nice to have in a season like this just a here. Here's how it works again. Don't worry but yeah there's a lot of games. Please let us know what you've been playing out there. Please let us know which of the fall games we haven't spent towards time on that you want to hear from We dig it an email recently from someone asking for tales of horizon impressions which i don't think a- any of the three of us have started yet So definitely want to get someone who's play tells verizon soon but yeah there's just so many games haven't gotten the time to get to them all but we will try to cover them as well as we can before the year ends because we got a vote on those at some point anyway but with that said let's move onto memory card which is of course our weekly segment where you the viewers and listeners. At home right in with your sad weird happy wacky. Whatever memories of your gaming life We read them on the show One of this week's this one comes from a k babs a frequent commenter viewer of the show Shadow today babs. Who wrote in a couple memory card is gonna read one of them this week. the first story has to do with ratchet and clank. Because this is me talking about k. Bob says for doesn't okay. Babs is a huge russian client fan. I think actually might have worked on our guide idea for the ripped apart. So there you go back in two thousand. Three i was playing my first ratchet title and managed to one hundred percent the game. This includes buying the rhino weapon which costs one hundred and fifty thousand volts. I for perspective. It takes about two hours to save up for the tesla which cost thirty thousand. I spent several afternoons and evenings. Replaying all the levels of the game getting the cash to buy it now at the time my sister and i had separate memory cards. Minefield with jack ratchet massaccesi files and hers kingdom hearts and sing star. High skorts With her permission she led me to back up my route to save to her memory card in case something happened now. Here's the foolish part my overconfidence. I showed her. The process worked. By intentionally deleting save on my memory card only. When i checked hers there was nothing there. It took me a minute realized what i'd done wrong. Instead of copying to save to my sister's memory card. I copied the save onto the one that was already on overwriting itself and so it just deleted and that type. That's how i learned that money growing experts exist. But in artifact down i've since one hundred percent ratchet clank one again not just on ps two but also the h. deport on ps three and the port of that on vida as well which is which is quite commitment. And i do like the idea that. Like oh i burned myself once but i'm never gonna burn again to make sure i get this back but cave apps. Thank you for the memory card related memory card. A appreciate that and thank you to everyone. Who's been writing in with those. If you'd like senders and you can read into beyond aegean dot com with the subject line memory cards so i can easily find them and we'll read them on the show each week. But that's gonna pretty much wraps up for this week's episode beyond before we go brian anything. You want appeal toward that. You've been working on recently or shut out not So much but at the same time. I came. Yeah i do not know a lot about it. Yes you've been very visit said don't worry about at all But matt anything on on your you wanna point people to yeah. I actually think i'm allowed to share this. But i am working on a preview of the next fancy fourteen expansion and walker. Which will be out next week. I think sometimes and so look up that and i looked to come back and talk about that because that is a playstation title that it is so i'm working on that right now. I i if you play fourteen to very excited. Awesome looking forward to hearing your thoughts and yet definitely wouldn't have you back on soon for that as well and yet just on my end as we've been in the last couple of weeks all the contents out but go check out all the incredible work that went into june twenty fifth anniversary stuff and one of the final pieces we put up was My of the level on the last of us per twos rat king ossified are really really awesome. Product to be able to work on a huge. Thank you again to all the naughty dog team that spoke with six people on the team across a bunch of disciplines there about the creation of this boss fight. It's a lot of really cool inside from them. Pat coughlin on our video team just did a tremendous added of go. Check it out us on ideas on youtube long. But i think it's a really fun and i hope you enjoy it. But that's thank you for shit that that's going to wrap us up for this week's episode of beyond. Thank you brian and matt for joining me on this episode. 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Discussing the Director's Cut Debate - Beyond Episode 709

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Discussing the Director's Cut Debate - Beyond Episode 709

"This episode of beyond is sponsored by indeed. yon and. Hello everyone. My name is jonathan bush and this podcast beyond aegean's weekly playstation show covering all the latest and greatest in the world of playstation. Nothing else whatsoever. And so of course. We're going to dive immediately into spoilers for the season. Finale of loki season one of course to do all of that. I'm joined by brian altana. We're not going to spoil lookie season. We're not have watched it yet. So we're not going to spoil and mexico. you only look we're going to be spoiling. Is your dog jonathan. Because he's a very good boy and he deserves. Some big in strips does but he's also not in the room so i can't pull him out for this job on my part. Of course we are going to be jumping into a lot of playstation news. I wanna start off by asking both of you. And i guess the audience at large. I really want to of course this week. Lucy o'brien isn't on the show and she won't be next week as well. She's a she's off on vacation in her native lands. And so we won't have around the next couple of weeks. We'll have her back as soon as we can. I want to think of something that we can do that when she comes back. We have like we pretend like there. Is this ongoing joke or thread through the show than area like it's not a real ongoing threat but we just pretend like it's a thing that has popped up these last couple of weeks and we refer back to it like how black widow and hawkeye widow is like remember that time of budapest. But we don't actually show budapest patched. Excuse me yeah. Someone has seen marvel's black widow anyway. Please read into us with your playstation show. Jonathan what kind of pranks would we do. I don't know like no. That's the thing. I just wanna do it. I don't know what the prank should be. I just. I want to do something about it. I got i got a bird flew into brian's room and was knocking over toys. It's still there too. And i haven't i haven't found it. I like it. we'll do. We'll do bird watch with you. A little bird watch with you and she comes back or know we could. We could how. 'bout we do a section called the clap where we all clap for something they sony. Did that week go now. It's time for the clap and tweet today. Let's go we all we all do this. One two three clap. That's it they're gonna play the playstation. Clap i love it. Yeah we'll just keep doing it. And lucy will be like what's what happened i love. When did this start. When i worked at when i worked at a coffee shop. We told this one girl that There was a new policy like she worked mid shift. I worked opening shift and she showed up. His policy came down from corporate. We all have to say thanks a lot when someone orders allante and we had her going. She did it the whole day man. That's really good. I was going to play a prank like that. On alana one day in the office way back when but i thought of the joke in my head and thought it was so funny that i started laughing to myself before i could even say the joke. It was to be about what we do. On president's day in the united states and how we all dress up like different president and have to always speak in quotes by them y. holiday while we're on the subject of talking about playstation for the next thirty seconds we did try to convince alana at one point in las vegas that americans at the end of a big meal clap and so we all went up to like a big hearty lunch restaurant and then at the end. We're like she started when you guys who were in the plane landed and then somebody started clapping. Right wasn't that i am. I like clapping and movie theaters on airplanes. Like i sorta get it but it's also it's always awkward because it's always starts with like one person and everyone else is like I guess clap other people like why are they clapping. No one should be clapping right now. Have been to movies where people clap at the end. And i've been on flights where people cop at the end. But in the nineties they used to show movies on flights but no one would ever cop is weird to you know housing. But that'd be weird. Everyone be sleeping everywhere to start clapping in the middle of what happened to like i finished now. You see me partout as we sorry. Go ahead brian. I was gonna say dirty plays. Didn't we all know you also always clap at the end of every video game you finish. When the name shows up the club that will be doubly true with the upcoming director's cuts that we have coming out in the playstation specifically the death stranding director's cut and the ghost of tsushima director's cut but as we learned earlier this week. Even one of those directors. Today okajima is not a fan of the phrase in some tweets. That i believe someone who said they have now been deleted. But i'm going to double check and see if that's actually true. But anyway in some tweets kajima was talking about how a director's cut in a movie is an additional edit to a short version. That was either released reluctantly. Because the director did not have the right to edit it or because the running time had to be shortened. He then followed up and said in the game. It is not what was cut but what was additionally produced that was included So in my opinion. I don't like to call it a director's cut. This is a little bit of a weird moment for a like naming convention and that kind of want to talk about the view about it because obviously we we. Also i think all three of us key now are are very into movie releases at and tracking the production of movies. And all these things in like the term director's cut does really mean something very specific to that world and so bring it over into game world. You would think. Oh it is the stuff that was left on the cutting room floor that they couldn't get into production but both this end in the goes to see shema blog post where they revealed all the content that was planned it talks about a lot of this was made in feedback to people had after the game launched so dealing with your are essentially to deluxe edition of a game or you know the the final mix version. That's the thing that kim hurts us a lot. It is a thing that has existed in games using the term director's cut has started to draw some ira from people and also some confusion from some of the directors making the games so i of wanted to start off by generally asking how you feel about the use of the director's cut naming convention. And if you feel like it's going to be a problem or it's just something that they they kind of think of some snazzy marketing term and brian. I'll start with you on how you got into this a little bit last week and it was kind of interesting that the this quote from kajima came out via his twitter just a few days later because last week we talked about Sony has is probably using this term because they want to sort of play up the sort of cinematic importance of their games right. They wanna make these big sort of like blockbuster tentpole movie you know very sort of narrative driven games with directors and with with all the feel of like a a big movie release but as video game right these are. These are stories that they're trying to tell that's been a big part of what they're doing. That said i think fit like the director's cut thing never always made a ton of sense. But if there's one thing that the snyder cut accomplished is that That sort of changed terminology forever like there was such a sort of weird back and forth bad blood on how like zach center was able to go back in and finish his film from acclaimed. Pervert joss sweden who went basically not not claim for the perversion. For i guess like people like to stuff before he was a pervert or he was perfect the whole time. Whatever maybe you still like stuff that's on you not meet never cared. But so i. I think that like zacks famous going back in finishing his movie and then. Hbo being like we're going to put all of our sort of like emotional strength behind this. Use it as a traffic. Subscription driver like there was a sort of redemption ark. Story there This is not really what's happening with games. That were completed got nominated for game of the year sold. A bunch of copies critically acclaimed for the most part reached a bunch of fans and stuff. Like that These are not people that were locked out of studio. That weren't allowed. The editing room weren't allowed to finish their stuff. This is people going back in and adding more things to it. And like max last week you know the game of the year. Monica is kind of tacky. I totally agree with that. And so. I'm glad they're finding something. But i do think that there is like there. I think there should be a different terminology here. Because if we're two games in and both of them are coming from directors at had full creative control that are now going back into add more stuff and one of which is publicly saying. Hey i don't really agree with this phrase. I think we need. We need a new naming convention here. Yeah it's obviously something that it based on this comment to me and based on it being used across different like both internal i party and first party published games is very clearly a playstation wants to put forward. I agree with you like it. Helps convey that sense of them of like very cinematic game experiences. And that's that's really what they want their mark to be in games that can sort of transcend the idea of something you're playing but some some artistic medium that that rises above necessarily jeff jeff grubb a from game speed tweeted out that kajima only put that tweet out too so he can tell his friends. Nicolas winding refn and that He knew what a director super funding to me. That's such a joke yet. It's a strange moment for the term. Because he i. I agree in yet max you had said like game of the year is is a silly terminate at this point especially because probably any game that wants to use game of the year can find a website that called them game of the year right. It doesn't necessarily mean a certain thing anymore We used to be nominated for like best music. And then that's still technically game of the year nominee so you. It's sort of like academy award winning movie suicide squad. How do you feel about the venue said trait. I think it's ironic. That the person who has a problem with the term director's cut is the director. Like maybe they should have floated that by the actual directors before being like this is their version of it. Yeah i mean the thing here is that this is software and it's applying sort of cinematic naming convention to it which doesn't always work. It's kind of weird if you look at like what. Software by design has like innovations. It's very normal for there to be like. Oh it's version two point zero or it's the upgraded version. Whatever like that's super normal for games because they are they are software and they are easy to easy to patch. But they're more easier easier to patch the mike. You know an album or movie or something like that conversely when we talk about what a re master is it's i feel like it's almost more akin to like a shot for shot remake. Has you look at what like a remasters in terms of music and it's going in and like kind of tweaking the levels like like adjusting the you know. Maybe it's it's taking the original tapes and like no running through again but they're not. They're not recreating the entire album from the ground up as we have this whole conversation about like what constitutes a remastered versus a remake versus a reboot in terms of games nowadays The director's cut seems like they may be shuttle workshop. That a little bit more. Especially if you know. Is this the the second time they've used the these two games they it'll be and are getting that moniker and they're probably ramping to use it for the last of us to totally. Yeah yeah it's it's it's it's also i mean it's if version that has additional stuff that was made for the sake of that that is that is more like the kind of snyder cut george lucas special edition approach. Where you're like. I'm going to go in and add a bunch of things in shuffle things around and change stuff up. But it's it's it's sort of funny to think about because i i don't know it's it's a weird name. It's it's very funny to me. That jima was like. I don't like this name me. The director like this well because that that game was i mean there's i you know i i'm i'm i'm stunned at the way. That game came together because that was a guy that basically very holiday left a company he worked with for a long time over creative differences Sort of famously was On capable unable to finish his last game. A of some trailers getting kicked around for m. g. s. five the other day. And there's just all this stuff in it that we're just not in the final game which is interesting. You know that that game didn't really have an ending But then he went on with his awesome redemption story in sony funded the development and he created this brand new studio. He all those people in the hallway with the statue big. He had total creative control. And that's really cool. And i think on the movie side thing you see. A lot is extended edition right or like the extended cut and that's usually when they add extra scenes. I'm actually surprised that they haven't used that freezing for Video games because like gamers love knowing that they're getting more of a game they love to know how long a game they're getting for the perceived value of how many hours or being tacked on the goes to see shema stuff. That's adding an entire new island rumored to add somewhere between like fifteen twenty hours of new content and it's odd that isn't just being called like the or expansion or anything like that but it's all just being rolled into this director's cut so we're in the case of case that goes to cmo. I feel like that. Actually that naming works on two levels because they had the curse ala mode. And then it's also game about cutting stuff so it's almost. It's almost like a wink. The play on words but yeah. I don't know. I can't wait for the fruit into director's cut. I will say so thing. I i am. The there are those rumors going around from a alleged ghost tester. I would say from things. I've heard don't put too much stock into all of that But nonetheless i do think we're gonna get a pretty sizeable chunk of new content. Here was that a rumor that fifteen hours of extra content. Yeah there's there's been a a reddit leaker who was a tester on the game. Who has all the info about it. But i wouldn't put too much stock net moment myong-chol works at nintendo and he said fair enough. You shouldn't play. This game doesn't while g. in it you know it's it's honestly it's it's weird that sony's applying this term across the board like it's kind of we all know what it is in terms of movies but at the same time movies frequently use varied terms for that like we have. Obviously the you know the snyder cutter the mad max. Lack of chrome addition. Whatever even looking at like like the alien box set is like alien director's cut aliens director's cut alien three work prints slash assembly cut alien resurrection with additional footage. It's not even like across the board like bladerunner. Infamously put out a director's cut in the nineties. It was based on. What like release scott's notes were but they didn't really actually go in and mess with too much and so it really scott actually got his hands on it. You made the final cut. Which i think a lot of people are like oh director's cut. That seems definitive and then they go on and watch the final. It's it's such a it's it's i. Guess i guess what's reassuring is that it's a it's a messy topic regardless of the medium right. I the blade runner thing. You're right because they're still to this day when people go bladerunner. I've never seen it which you know. He's fix that People are always like which versions should i watch and there. There was a debate for a while about which version you should watch. Think the video games. Don't really have that right. Because if you have the choice between the director's cut of death stranding and the launch addition or whatever like you're going to tell people to get the one that has more content. Because i don't think it's necessarily messing with the pacing whereas like i've heard people debate which version of majorities massacre shadow the classes. Should i play because these make sort of aesthetic changes in their remastered form That is sort of much of the chagrin of some diehards impurities. Yeah the these two in particular as as you were saying with end ghost as well where it's like. Hey we all know how fun and engaging it is to just explore that world and go around it and he is going to be a version that lets you that in a brand new environment as well like in addition it's kind of like there's no reason you would say no only stick with the bass game at that point. Why like unless the new island is awful. Which i'm not expecting based on everything out like you would always tell people to go for the next one and also max to your point of like the term already being kind of a mess as you were saying with the snyder. It's like well yeah. He went like he had a lot of footage. Sure but then also went and shot tens of millions of dollars more. Add to it as well. So it's like the director's cut the the blank hirszon's cut is kind of always in a strange place. It is just in a weird position right now with i think playstation wanting this to clearly a thing and one of the first directors that they have on board being like. I don't get the daming here. it's it's just a weird moment for it. But as he said. I imagine we'll continue to see this unless these versions do terribly in sales or not expecting to will probably get more director's cuts as you were saying. Excuse me the last semester to feels like the next obvious candidate. I don't know where else they would go from there in the immediate catalog. 'cause i feel like all focuses on the next guy war and horizon forbidden west so i don't feel like they're going to put new content into those games at this point right. I mean never say never right. I wasn't expecting this much new stuff. Being added goes sushi my figured they do sort of like A standalone and sort of what naughty dog does which is make an eight hour kind of spin off game Ordeal dlc or just. Save it all for a sequel. Yeah i mean. They had something similar without with first light for infamous at the beginning of the war generation. So it's cool to see them continuing support things as long as it means more playstation releases like. That's great with me a chance to visit these. I love so. I'll certainly take it your superstar. Employees left to start their own company. You're happy for them. 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We want to get the game in your hands as possible so you can experience the unforgettable version of a haunted tokyo that we've been hard at work building at the same time. We're also focused on protecting the health of everyone at tango. Our new release window will give us time to bring the world of ghost where life as we've always envisioned it. Thank you for being patient as we were to bring you an experience. Unlike anything else we've ever made we can't show you more in the coming months this. I want to ask both of you but at least for me. This doesn't totally surprise me because we've seen so little of game like since the the launch trailers last year the revealed trailers. Excuse me. we've really gotten nothing about this game so it doesn't shock me that they needed more of the time that said. I'm also glad that this comment in a continuing trend that we've seen does address the well being of the developers. Obviously this official corporate statement like you can only take so much a face value but the fact that these statements have like there's been a recent trend of them continuing to mention the health of the developers. We saw this with divorce delays. To at least. I appreciate that. That's in there because it does hold them a little bit more accountable because then if we get stories of alba actually we're working them to the bone even worse because of the delay like that begins to create a very troubling narrative for these. So i i liked. It puts a little bit of accountability there but in terms of its delay brian. I'll start with you this. Does this come as much of a shock to you. Know not exactly. I do wonder sort of what the exclusivity window on this remains. I remember reading the fine print in the state of play the other day about death loop basically said you know coming to xbox a year later so i i don't know if this also delays whatever sort of window that happens there but Yeah i'm fine for the studio taking. Its time i've never really feel like i'm you know a short on new games to play a to what you're mentioning earlier about sort of crunch culture evolving and changing. I think that's one of the best things that can happen. I know every time we bring this up. People are like well my job hard to and like you know we fix that as well but if you if you flash back to serve rise son of rome right one of the launch titles for the last xbox the studio at the time famously tweeted out. Hey we've ordered like six hundred pizzas to keep everybody full while their home working late and a bunch of people at the time they thought like that was a cute thing to say and a bunch of people were like. That's not good. You shouldn't be doing that. I was reading a piece about retro the other day And everyone loves them right. Think about metro prime in donkey. Kong people like. Wow what a great studio. They're under nintendo. You don't really hear about crunch from them. A lot development. Ira's through them showed that they were crunching like crazy through metro prime. And it's one of the most beloved games like this was such a part of a video game development culture for so long and to see that slowly change by Sort of through the pandemic and through other public means people adjacent trial reading books about and stuff like that. I think all of that is bringing awareness to a problem that is happening in video games. It's also happening elsewhere. Happens in movies but with sort of the way unions work the way people are under contract. They have to work for our. They have to specific breaks and times and stuff like that The culture seems a little bit different there. Although a lot of people have been head down in the editing room working on things for years you don't really hear about it but hopefully this is something that changes none of these things sort of have to come out. You know this day at this second that we need to demand that people don't see their families and friends and their children they're lacking there. You know ignoring their personal health and hygiene just to animate doors in a fake tokyo. So take your time. Do your thing will be here when you're ready is like you know we talk a lot about sort of like crunch culture being a like an old problem. It's just now being address which isn't a certain degree. But i imagine it's in to a certain sense. It's actually been getting worse gradually in the same way that like we video games have stayed the price of sixty bucks but they've like what quadrupled resolution and that's just that's just visually like there's there's so many new components in so many moving parts in there you know these infinitely complex massive massive He's software and i. It's i imagine that there's this there's old habits that some studios have of being like we should be able to turn a game around in three years which was probably true ten years ago. But now if you're moving with your know dealing with that many more moving parts in your developing four instead of i dunno putting a game on disk for for two systems putting it on to what five different variations of two systems italy and on disk and maybe having to patch stuff and then deal with whatever online components. I mean you've read about like you know atari development and they would have like one or two dudes would make one game in four months right and it would come out for one system and like obviously that the game would look like it would be like four blocks up into each other but like you know things things scale like now you look at something like assassins creed odyssey or Hall that one really any of them. They're just there's they're huge. They're they're staggeringly large. And that's from like a massive global quadruple a studio that has been doing this on such a consistent while i mean maybe the reason we're seeing assassin's creed games go for being a yearly releases to a you know every two years release is because to adjust for this. You know like we. Don't we've seen games get the get. Horribly rushed and this is sort of the flip side of of of crunch culture and delays. Is that like. It's a video. Game is a moving target. And you look at what games were ten years ago and it's different it's different ecosystem. They're trying to different stuff for the expectations are totally different thing. That's that's without the giant monkey wrench. That is working remotely during a pandemic. Yeah and and even just to use the example that you you're going with their with this essence creed. Their production pipeline is changing even more because of that Recently confirmed infinity project. That i believe trier had broken the news about He's off tat acknowledged of essentially. I like a platform based future for assassin's creed going forward. Even something that to me. I think of as a longstanding single player robust action adventure campaign with open world. Obviously but as one of those things is suddenly becoming more more and more of a live service in the in the past. Few games have been leaning that way but the the pure nature of live service games also just completely throw that offer wrench. there was I don't know if you guys saw but apex legends was hacked over the july fourth weekend and with this campaign to fix titanfall. It was this whole thing but one of the devastated about like. Hey because that hack was happening. I was playing with like my newborn nephew and had to hint him back to his parents. So i could go work on fixing patch over a holiday weekend like that has completely changed like all of that just so completely changes. The way in development happens beyond the the mystery that already was for so many of us right in the other side of that conversation was being like i paid money to access content here and i have my first sort of few days off in a while and i wanted to and so there was an expectation on both sides. And i don't i don't think that like the doesn't solve anything. Obviously anyone sending death threats and everybody can finish space but sorry but the i like the there is definitely like the consumer is also saying like. Hey i paid to access some of the stuff. How do i access it and it just sucks for everybody all around but like max these are. These are massively scaled new projects that are only growing bigger and bigger. They are dealing with so many more things. i like. The ford guys making the four block bumping game on atari didn't have to like figure out. How does this play through the amazon luna cloud services or anything like that like has what about people trying to remote play this From their downstairs living rooms. There's there's a lot more things that take into account now and with all of that sort of convenience of of us being consumers to be able to access her games in different ways by different platforms. You know you play them through the cloud or remotely or whatever it is Become becomes more work and more testing and more things involved and so. I don't really know what the solution is there right. 'cause there's always going to be something. We were just covering story today about a activism. Asked like this. This hacker was basically just like i have the most nefarious collagen warzone hack ever made and it's undetectable an unstoppable and he put up videos and they're like please please. Don't do that like please. Don't do that and he was like all right. I won't but like that's it. That's again is already. They've been half a million hackers in that game already so it's like you know while one evil was killed. Another will rise is like. It's always gonna come from somewhere. So yeah i don't know what the solution is. Games are big crazy now and Is going to have to be a little bit of patients across the board everybody involved. It is a miracle that any game ever gets made whatsoever works because of all the incredible moving parts in it and so yeah please You know with your with ghost wire with any of the games that get delayed. Please let the developers be. Let them work at the pace. They need to to live healthy normal lives as well. There are i. I would go out on a limb and say you probably have plenty of games that have come out that someone has told you is amazing that you probably haven't played. I myself have about seven hundred of those. So i can assume out there has at least a couple moving on from there. I briefly want to mention a couple of other pieces of news. We're going to be getting a bunch of persona announcements for the anniversary of the franchise. I personally can't wait. I will of course wait until those announcements actually happen. And i hopefully will get andrew goldfarb to y'all either smell or something to be able to be on the show about whatever they may be a grant. Most seven beta has allegedly leaked other a experienced playstation website. That sony has that basically people were able to sign up for a beta by putting a placeholder download code. of course. this beta is not officially announced but It's always good to see some signs of life for granted must seven as we wait for more news on that one but that was of course delayed into next year. So we'll we'll wait to see if there's another sort of state of play that an announcement for beta like this might come through. We also got news that final fantasy fourteen. Which of course the playable on. Ps four five is so popular. That square had to stop selling digitally for a little bit. Which i really enjoyed as just the music side. Because i just don't ever really happens with digital sales in you. Please explain that to me. Were were they worried about server stress so i think it was partially service dress because at least like the way it works is you can obviously choose which server you're on and which server you're choosing play fantasy on and that will allow you to be with certain players like i was finding with a few people from my streaming community and so we waited a little bit to get on the same server and it took like my girlfriend was playing a lot as well to get on the same server. She waited like two or three hours and this was months ago. This was when it first came to his five but she was waiting and just refreshing every ten minutes for like two to three hours to get on that server space is limited to a certain extent and so i think to avoid service stress to avoid too much happening because they have just seen such an influx of over the last few months. I think they just needed to pause sales for a little bit to be able to carry with everything. Good problem to have right now definitely better than the reverse. Yeah i mean like we've read up the opposite story. Were like online games. Have to populate their servers with ops just to get enough people to make matchmaking possible for like a simple player count So this is i mean. It's also scoring next. It's sorta famously overshot when it comes to sales expectations with games. You know like they're always like we have to hit we hit six million and seven million and we underperformed and you're like what that's a lot of millions though Physical hopefully they can. They can figure out how to get more people there like. It's of awesome. Yeah apparently it was over the weekend. I believe that the waitlist essentially had been stalled. And you can get through it out when we had checked it this this week matt kim on our news team checked it. It seemed to have resumed normal. Function seems people are able to get in but it. It has very popular specific servers as well so depending on where people were trying to get into. That could've likely affected it as well. And then last on the on the news daca just wanted to mention. Of course a man eater is getting deal. See yeah. I don't care if it's not here but i also am very excited. I put that on there. You and i both we both platinum that game. Recently man. that game is awesome. I've talked about this before it. Max max i did a. Let's play forward. That superfund that you can dig up It's just open. World shark game narrated by chris. Parnell of snl fame. It's very goofy. It's very over the top also. Has this like kind of weird. Undercurrent no Unintended sort of thematic. Plotline about sort of anti coterrorism. This is a deeply disturbed and disgusting ocean full of wretched humans dumping toxins in and still swimming around and this shark For a number of reasons gets revenge on all of them and you basically go around. I love there's a spongebob hunting down all these like you know poachers trappers and just awful people who are out at sea trying to kill you and trying to disturb the environment and it's just so much fun and so they're adding a basically this entire new area they're upping the level cap. They're adding new sort of armor sets. And what's cool about. This is like you get you get different armor sets that are kind of like a thin and teeth you can get like electric set or bone sat or whatever you want the shadow set and they're all super super fun to play with just like basically a hundred percent of this game recently. It's it's on game pass if you're looking for something to play there. I believe it was on playstation plus at some point it was. Yeah it was right and of. Yeah yeah i'm it also got recently got an action patches and stuff like that so it looks and plays very well. It's beautiful super super fun. Game very idiotic. It's not the deepest thing in the world again no pun intended. But i won't say the game play is shallow but now please please play man eater and if not just wait for the deal seekers it's it's gonna be really really. I really appreciate that. This is a game where you play as a shark. Not like a. who's a shark. Eat or like. I feel like so much of the time. And it's a game where you play as an animal who has humanoid characteristics. I mean this. Obviously the sharp jab and kick and stuff but like the fact that they pretty much designed at entire control scheme for like a shark body is such a such a novelty to me. 'cause you know the. How many games do you play. As as a person with arms and legs who runs around and jumps and stuff. It's like pretty you know it's it's kind of kind played out do that every day. I'd like to be a shark for a change and a lot of fun is saying. I also like it for like its length. It is a you know twenty hour. Rpg which is wonderful until you're constantly getting that hid of aggression progression not will also aggression because you're But the the progression of it is just kind of constant. You're getting to either do silly stuff like flopping on a beach attack humans or explore underwater. There's a lot of collectibles and stuff and yeah the truth. Quest will launch on august thirty first and this plays into the whole fact. That like the game that you're playing is also a reality. Tv show called. Maneater that sort of the the overarching thing related to chris. Cornell's lines and everything. And so i think the world has been shown the true nature of this this port and everything going on and so the The conspiracy theories only get crazier from there. It's got that wonderful. Gte thing where you sort of like rack up the kills all of a sudden you know more and more crazy things start coming in. And i believe the deal. He's bringing in helicopters and stuff like that Base game Have these sort of like the endgame had likes these sonar boats that could Like send electrical ribs waves out underwater. It's just so much fun. This game is also responsible. I'm responsible for because i'm stupid but one of the things never asked in a Like sort of trade show interview was max hour interviewing developers and i was like. There's all these buildings everywhere can can the sharko in and they were like no you see. I think that should be deal. See like because you can go up on the beach of flop ronaldo lungs and just up and he can't he can't like walker ronnie just says to flop like fifty to stay. That'd be great. The shark along the sand office shark is no for an officer so you need something for meter to. I think even elton john glasses. What's going on here this great. Oh there's the dance sequence. Good yeah isn't that you could believe there would be in this game. Yeah it's a really a lot of fun. I can't recommend it enough that he's definitely as as brian said a little bit shallow but nonetheless. It's a really fun time and a relatively easy platinum for those who care that. Look good podcast. Game which i totally agree with. Yeah it's a lot like. I think listening to it and have fun. Wall chris. parnell is telling you silly part about the story but if you're just going around trying to collect the thirty underground social hosts it is start week. It is shark week so maybe observe shark week in a good way. Yeah and you can play the truth seeking adventure in august. I guess they're also will be like a little bit of a demo. I think for the deal. Say so you know cocoa check that out but in addition to that whether you're playing maneater or something else. I do wanna talk a little bit about what we've been playing. Especially because i know you guys have been jumping into a bit of a storied franchise that we've talked about on the show before but brian. I'll start with you. What if you've been playing. Yes so they. Sort of deep sale after of e three. Whatever was this year where we got more information about a far cry six and did a interview with the lead writer and the sort of leads of creative game play a designer and it before when we were getting warmed up. Because we're working from home. Everything is like a million technical moving parts we started sort of reminiscent Or cry franchise. I just had one of those things. Click in my head where i was like. This is such an incredibly important franchise to me. It's always been so near and dear to my heart but it doesn't really. It's not really something i associate with like. You know you go like. I really love like alleged has elbow or love the last two games like you know large narrative that you connect somebody these things and they've been special to me because the card games are very similar but also largely disparate in terms of their settings and tones and a lot of ways But i noticed that like they put a bunch of the games up super cheap. So i went back and i i bought far cry one two three four and blood dragon and i think i got all five of those games for like eighteen. Twenty bucks total. So they're super cheap. Sorry mr. sale. They regularly go on sale though. And i just went back inside like tracing the roots of the series which is something. I've been trying to do a little more of the things. I love this sort of figure out like where did this start. How did it evolve. And i think there was a lot of sort of notion that this is a sort of stale and repetitive franchise. I i would say in a lot of ways. It is not really more so than the average video game series. It gets annualized And i think a lot of those get a free pass. And i i just i feel like this sort of like it's weird to say this about a franchise that routinely sells Fairly well it's fairly critically acclaimed. But i feel like forecast kinda slept on like i feel like people. Don't really celebrate this series in the way they do a lot of other big ones and watching it grow and evolve over the years going from the first far cry which is very straightforward. You don't have a ton of wiggle room in terms of your creativity but also like famously. For the time it was mostly outdoors. Right which is in an era of like sort of corridor driven. First person shooters that were dark and strange. And i want a lot of that to Including weird mutants that you have to fight which i totally forgot about going into like a large tropical setting and giving people You know hang gliders and all these different weapons zip lines and stuff like that was really clever and really cool and then moving on a far cry to which i think like suffers a lot from being the kind of the sepe atoned murky brown looking games of the era. That you know your early years of war. Your resonable fives That's when it started to move open world but three when it really sort of dislike kicked off right like three hits dr almo- almost sort of perfected the formula that we see today But it goes a chance to jump back in a four which is a game. I believe one hundred percent it went in. I came out troy. Baker plays pagan min. It takes place in korat. It's sort of is gigantic mountains but also rivers. It's got the you know. Lie tigers and elephants that you can ride bowls. There's all sorts of bizarre crazy animals in it and it does Some of like my favorite stuff and open world game can do. I think it totally does that. The thing that has always struggled with. How do we tell a serious story. But also get a bunch of goofy nonsense in here. And i think five dropped ball in a lotta ways. The setting was kind of boring in suffolk. That but it all just got me so damn excited for far cry six Which is coming out later this year. And i feel like this is like going to really bring the series back to where i wanted to be And i can't wait for it personally. So yeah cry rules. It well said. Brian i jumped into one too. I played too. I don't know a million years ago. It was one of the kind of elapsed period and gaming through college in the night. There was one of the games that i picked up. Got back into it and it was just i was blown away about how cool it looked. At how the the is it. The procedurally generated fire. We'll just occasionally work how you want it to other times. Won't it all. We have three one of my favorite games ever and it's you said it. Well like that game. Is that series. I think it's written off allott as you know just being another annualized ubisoft thing but like the problem with three is how much it completely like. Through that formula in the air and how many systems and introduced that have since been kind of like unto death by other ubisoft games with the whole idea of like. Oh go to this area. Climb the watchtower. Unlock the thing around here sneaking at the outpost. You can go louder you'll quiet and then you know i mean i. It's very rock solid foundation to the point that since. Then it's almost been like it was sporadically. He'd evolved very like cut all over the plastic first game to the second game of the third game. They were still kind of figuring out what worked. And what didn't and then the jump from the third or fourth is like added bees elephants. You know there's not a ton of new stuff in there. I personally i never. I never loved the setting for four against a really fun game but for whatever reason it just didn't gel with me but i'm i'm extremely excited for six to i think it's i had this weird thing i don't know i don't know what makes me like this. I like games on islands. There's something like about it. I think there's that there's that inherent frustration of being like. What do you mean. I can't go any further with an island. I'm like that makes sense. Islands are like that. sometimes. I'll admit yeah right. Yeah link's awakening honestly says you know. There's a finite set of tiles. You can walk on here. There's something just wonderfully self contained about that and also i know it compels you to go inward as opposed to outward. Which is it's a whole thing. But as someone who i think dips in and out of the franchise and hasn't played it nearly to the extent above you have at least from like somewhat of an outside perspective. I feel like heart of why it may be feels like flies under the radar. Sort of like a brian to your point is that after three because three was like such the acclaimed hit it felt like at least in the marketing every game after was trying to tell you how it was like three for better and worse than so it was like here's the villain who is like voss but isn't vaas here as the you know the the lush outdoor setting that will be part of it is. Here's the political but not political story. That's the heart of it. I feel like it got buried under a lot of the like. How does it compare to three conversations. Often which is often what kept me away from like. Oh i heard four wasn't as good as three hundred has a lot in common so i just gift for. I'm sure there are parts of it like you were saying. Even georgia your visit. It was something. Like oh. I heard it's like three okay. I'll move on. Oh five kind of muddies the water with its story okay. I'll move on right. I think they also they may. Maybe maybe people like this for this reason. But i feel like this is not the the primary selling point like this is obviously the sexiest part of it too. We've got this incredibly. Well written villain. It's all very you know edgy. And it's like kind of mature storytelling and like you can see they're continuing this got giancarlo esposito playing the villain in the new which is which is great. But that's not why i play for you know like i. I play far cry. Because i wanna like trick a wild boar into biting someone which is funny to me and then i will right away on a stolen jeep which is on fire like that. That level of kind of emergent gameplay craziness is like really that's what it does so well but it's also that's i think a lot harder to lot harder to market without seeming like you're just throwing a bunch of shit and seeing what sticks what would ford does in terms of what you're talking about is really interesting and in In the tribe makers pagan min is consistently more annoyed with your actions and he will radio radio into you to be like you blew up my base. You and i'm gonna. I'm gonna come kill your and stuff like that. I think that's a good way to do. It is sort of just like Murray your actions with this kind of subtext of like all right. I just wanted this. Massive crazy killing spree through bait into the middle of this base camp and A tiger attacked everybody. And then i got in this crappy little duct tape helicopter and flew away with like throwing bombs on people on suffolk that blowing up as convoys and then he calls into be like. Why did you do that to me. I hate to kill you now. I think that's an interesting way to do it. But i feel like the the i'm joseph's needs if they did in the in the next one i five was such a weird step back it. Also it's a franchise with all these bizarre diagonals like a blog and works really well because it's it's totally assertive in in. How completely insane it is. It's also three to five hours long or as far cry primal felt like an interesting experiment and a nice deviation from the norm and i was sort of a a kind of impressive at the way they were able to find parallels to make like sort of you know fred flintstone versions of all of the contemporary far cry tropes But then there's also all these weird deal sees they do from the valley of the yeti to like the weird vietnam war stuff and a lot of it just is all over the place. It doesn't mesh but then underneath all that there's this custom created a game mode. Were some fans recently built entirety of goldeneye. Like it's just it's so crazy. And i just feel like there's so much here that's cool but it's so all over the place but also say me that it doesn't really doesn't really have its place in like the video game hall of fame. Well it doesn't it doesn't have like memorable never characters it doesn't have a memorable like universe. 'cause it's game is as the namesake. It is a far cry from the last one. Like it's always it's always crazy different new place. That has a lot of you know it's a it's a wacky setting. It's you know it's a virtual tourism in a sense where you can do whatever you want. But you know it's that double edge sort of like i personally I don't know. I always hate the observer. Go You know luminosity stuff in in essence creed like as if you jump into one of them and you haven't been keeping track of what's going on. You're like what did i miss or these. Who are these normal regular humans in polar fleece fast to play for a while. I just as soon be like give me a game. Where you're inviting your egyptian guy or ninja. Whatever like let me down with like like i don't assassin's creed game is happy to jump into it and i appreciate that far cry. All kind of it's doing its own thing. Like every game is is encapsulated. Obviously there's like returning side characters and familiar themes and things you have to climb to unlock areas of the map. But like it's i think because it isn't you know doesn't have this like serialized through line. There's not maybe there's not like a pressure people to stay up to date with what's happening in that in that universe. i dunno. Maybe that's sort of the appeal to me is that it's there's a sense of discovery there because everything every game is a new is a new thing to a certain degree even if some of the mechanics are familiar. It's more like what is this place what's going on here. Yeah i think. They live in thrive on their settings. Right and you get that shit. Like as i was saying i jump in and out in like when i jump in i love it like i have a blast. Even going to your point brian like i. I really admired the bit of primal. That i played for its attempts at like putting modern ideas and competes into the idea of writing a wooly mammoth and beating someone over the head with a bone club. It tried its best but there. There are times where i think the scattershot nature of it also does make it feel like a franchise that if i miss it for a couple years. It's fine. I do play it. I i love it and play for you. Know thirty forty hours and have a blast with it. I'm excited for sex. Like as of right now. I think the setting can lend itself to to a lotta great possibilities. It seems like as we're all saying like if being on an island all your general sense of the space of it which i really appreciate giancarlo. Being in the game is definitely not a bad side to it. theresa dog looks adorable. But it's one of those things where the deal see. That's going to bring back all the villains like. I don't really care about like uprising. Pass familiar acid trips stuff which is like again. It's sort of okay. That's not what i signed up for. But like i get it to a certain extent because the villains are the things people know about this franchise and that also allows them to plan ahead for what the season passes like people may love parts of critics sex and maybe though pivot and do some dlc around it but they can't account for that due to love vaas and piggy men and josephson at least like as like touch points for those games. People know what they relate to. Until so it's easy to glut. Blood dragon is like a singular thing. And i was totally expecting that to become annualized or repeated in the way that so many south things are but to have like a short standalone. Far cry game built in the same engine. We've gotten we've got the value of the yetis. We've gotten the the weird sort of far cry five spinoff stuff and now the thing we but but it's never on that but that was that was trying out a whole like it was like a literal repaint of. Yeah it was. It was a weird call and like the thing that made. I don't know. I love blood dragon so much because it didn't take itself seriously and it didn't overstay its welcome. It was such a bizarre little experiment. And i was almost like. What does this look like if you try it. What are the different flavored versions of this. Like what if you do like a medieval version because that would sort of neo neo. Futuristic beta wave sounds amazing. Right that would be everywhere and i mean we got we got primal was a five hour thing. Kind of like blood drives only remain. It's it's bittersweet. Because like i liked i liked primal to a certain degree. I thought it was did some really interesting stuff. But it also. I don't think i finished it. Because i just i didn't. I didn't care there's caveman yelling at me in with subtitled caveman language. And i was like okay. That's cool. I got a bow and arrow. This is fine. And it was i guess. At that point there was definitely sort of like franchise fatigue because like three was amazing. Blew me away. The blood dragon more the same but completely kind of reimagined shaken up enough that it was it was interesting. Also it was short. It's like five hours long. And then a four came along and it was so much of the same with like little tweaks. It was very familiar and then by the time primal role that was like. I'm i'm good. You know one thing about about five is like i feel like it didn't really gel with any of us and it's it's definitely well made. I think a lot of that comes from the fact that we live in america and like the marketing was very much hinging on sort of like as american politics. That maybe don't really don't really joe with everybody but it's also like if you live in. I don't know if you live in france. That's probably like a crazy exotic location to go to. But if i mean if you live in linda paul like playing far cry. Four is probably like the same thing. We're like okay show. I guess. I'll go climate fake mountain that it looks like once we have here like also the timing of five just in relation to where our country then went in the preceding. That was if you need an escape from politics. Far cry five was not the best place to go. I've said this. I've said this before. But there was a lot of conversation around five sort of being like this. Spurring of trump republicans but far cry five is one of the most sort of like overtly a gun like gun proud games. I've ever played like you run around with with an assault rifle that has an american flag on it. And it's a blast. You know like. I it no pun intended. It's it's i think that that game sort of celebrates a lot of a lot of the stuff that i think a lot of like sort of more liberal people were expecting it to skewer my issue with five one i go to these games I want all of these sort of systems to be completely insane and not necessarily in familiarity but when we were doing press interviews for five i brought this up with the with the people. I interviewed the other day. I like you you. I i i asked. I asked you a couple of years ago. Like this game takes place in montana famously. That's where there's tons of dinosaur bones like will there be dinosaurs in the game. And they're like we actually got the various question a lot. Because i think a lot of people were just like see of what cows turkeys like. That's this is boring. Like what i love about. Four is that there are so many different animals in that game. it's insane. There's honey badgers in goats. And there's monkeys. And i hope he goes to florida one. I feel like floor floor. Cries is going to be like. Oh my god. Just i mean yeah. Animals unique fan boats. I think we fan vote for that guy. I can't remember should be. Yeah i feel are in three and then you can put both easily enough floor. Cry as that's gonna just beat the name now it is also interesting. We are getting just because we were going back to talk a little bit about like do people feel like they're connected to this world miss universe. We aren't getting a netflix anime. For far cry as well as blood. Dragon like six episode anime. These totally forgot about that also. They made a made a blood dragon. Trials game too. Yeah we always. It's it's such a strange franchise in terms of as you're saying. Brian like it feels like it can be all over the place and that's perhaps why it does go under the radar but when it's really fun it is really really fun. And engaging in an is sort of the prototypical thing we think about for a lot of these be soft open world ideas. So i'm i'm excited for six like especially if we see some other open world games like her isn't forbidden west perhaps not come out and twenty one. I feel like i'm gonna be spending a lotta time hanging out with giancarlo and jesse without rolls up to. But i'm glad you've both been sort of the in raising the franchise still finding the stuff that you love about it. So mushin it. Bring back as weber. Because i'm really looking for sex. Thanks for giving us a place to yell about it. Of course what what is the show. If not a steel about things briefly that either of you have been playing that you want to touch on. I jump back in a hit man. And i love that game so much. I love it There was there was one mission. That i i hadn't done like i. Basically i play three l love while the other two games went through played all of them and i think it's the last maybe the last mission in two or one rights but it's a resort. It's on an island there you go and it's it's it's interesting because for whatever reason it the way it starts you out. It's kind of like. I had a really hard time with it. And i think it starts off with less access to weapons or crapper something. And i was like bashing my head against one particular route and i just eventually didn't rage quit. I was like man. And then i walked away touch it for a while and i just jump back into it and i was like. I don't think there's a whole part of this checkout creeping around in the bushes and then just messed up this server farm and poisoned a bunch of people who have like vomit gas. And just i had. I got love that game and i just. I'm so excited for whatever they do with james bond. I really hope. It's like just even slightly on par with hitman because this series is just got it. So good i also. I occasionally jumping into do the elusive targets. Which are like the limited time. Only get one shot. It's now or never mom's spaghetti on your sweater. Whatever kind of just you gotta you gotta do it like this one person screw up. It's gone forever. And the most recent one was a pair of twins but you can only kill one of them and if you hurt the other one big trouble and i was like oh boy i gotta find this needle a haystack at a track. These guys down the creeping around this pastoral italian beach town. I'm gonna i'm gonna track. I will go around the first corner. And they're just like standing there taking a sightseeing tour or something and i was like. Oh well that was easy. And then i like like a weird pervert which is like craft around by either by their bottoms and was like looking at their risk because one of them has gold wristwatch and the other doesn't kind of find the guy with the watch on like didn't they didn't care like they were completely unfazed. I was so used to like. I dunno killing a high profile targets. Who are just like if you go anywhere near them. They're like eighteen garlic gutter but these guys were just walking around obviously just walked up right next to them and then is like shot. One of the guards. Try to shoot a mist yard. Start shooting just shoot the guy in the head and just take off running and then getting like one of those little. Mr bean cars drive off. It was like i d did the mission in three and a half minutes you get no stars. You're nydia inequality can't do that key. One of the funniest video game franchises. I don't think. I really realized that until the funny but it is so like i think you can play this game perfectly and meticulously and just be a hitman right but also there's like even before you get in the clown costumes and dressing like a complete. A food like there are so much stuff that you can do this. He's like that. That just makes the just makes me laugh so hard. I know then it gets so incredibly excited. You just mentioned that. This team is working in a james bond game. That is so awesome. I keep forgetting that's happening between that. And like but doesn't making an indiana jones game. But it's kind of like okay. That's too big projects. We've really excited about kind of you. Had max i was gonna say like. I hope that they keep the sort of sleek and very stylish design of newer bond movies but have some of the sensibilities of like the older roger moore ones if you wind up with like completely completely wingnut. Nonsense gadgets like what you do get exploding rubber dachshund stuff like that in this game if but at the same time it looks all just like hyper stylized just like oh yeah like this is a this is a cool guy who has sacks but also. He's got jet pack in his briefcase gary. That's that's exactly what i was gonna say. I was just like talking to the you can play these games. The hitman game super meticulously embiid the best hip man in the world and you can also do it like an utter buffoon and still win aisling bodies in the bathroom like like there's so much variety there and i think that does speak to bond across the ages of like you can get more serious side of it and also the whackier side where it's as i only jet packs and jet skis and the moon and like you can just go to such crazy heights. I feel like they can find that balance really well and like i think back to older on games i actually like never played goldeneye growing up but night fire was a really big touch point for me right at like i think about how those were very first person shooters cinematic campaign games like yes. There's a place for those with. But i really want them to lean in the direction of a hitman like i want them to do what they do. Well and i feel like that's the reason you go to them for a bond is right. I mean one of the first things that happens in goldeneye either movie which was recreated in the game is the james bond pops into out of event and kills a guy in a toilet. Like that's funny. If you don't think that's funny. I i don't know what to tell you. That's for killing a guy on the toilet in a suit. Full suit is funny and like they put that in the game. And i just i feel like there's you know there. There's a comedy element to james bond. Always been there and just like its for hitman. this is such a perfect marriage of ip and developer. Yeah i can't wait to see what they're doing with us. My whole thing is if if you made if you had agent forty-seven literally just say the names of the achievements are the challenges out loud after doing them. You've got james bond game because he's like you know there's one where it's like if you if you take if you poison a hot. A hot sauce shot or something or you. Just take a shot of hot sauce. It's like it's like forty seven on the scoville scale or so it's like it so in so horny and i love it but then peter parker thing right or scott like the goofy one liners. Yeah yeah there's such a. I need to go back to that one. That's just one of those things where it's like you can get lost in a level especially if you're bad like you can get lost in just a level for hours which is really thought you. I kind of feel like you need to give a lot of. It's also it's super duper forgiving with the saints coming. Which is totally cheap as hell but basically if you save before you try something completely stupid and you actually pull it off. You'll get the achievement or you got the challenges and then if you reloaded i think basically you can basically i think you can kill dude like four times over on the same save. Sort of it's it's a whole weird thing but like it's the thing that really worked for me is basically leaning into my failures and being like not trying to play it super super well and stealthy but was kind of like okay. I'm going to go in here. Like kind of a klutz to be more. Like a mr bean than a mr bond. You know unless you. It's such a great example of what they're able to accomplish. I can't wait to see what they do next with bond but yeah it's i keep forgetting hit. Man was like a game that came out this year and is one of my favorites. But yeah it's a really great time. I need to revisit that summer but anything else. You guys have been playing before we wrap up. You want to give a shout to nothing off the top of my head here for wolfenstein. Our audience won't care. But i'm ready to give it another chance this weekend. I am too. I keep forgetting this weekend. I definitely am excited to do that as well. I've just been continuing. I've been greeted stigma. Anything so i've just been playing some embargo stuff. I can't talk about nothing huge but just on stuff we can talk about later weeks and then just continuing my fortnight and persona really often able to like sticking to anything too much deeper than that but will love money talk about as more games release as we get into the fall august as we went. You will have go. Susha end hindenburg spirit. So it's actually going to be a bit of a busy playstation before the fall rush hits. But that's pretty much wraps up this week's podcast beyond Ryan and max anything you want to plug this week. got it's been busy I helped relic and sega announced company. Heroes three yesterday. We did a whole presentation for that. That was fun. I interviewed suda five one yesterday. That's gonna go up soon and then there was an. I did a did a piece on metro at republishing. believe tomorrow. so even offer that Yeah doing the weekly cannon fodder series with jessica rights and produced and then he has go in and i had a bunch of jokes and we have a ton of fun with that show. And it's just like we've been doing it for every episode of loki. we did for black widow. I don't know what happens next but will be doing one for that as well. And if you've been should be keeping track of these shows and just want the sort of The sort of dorky color commentary and all the weird background details that the show go watch. Yeah i've been really enjoying them. Especially as like a a very tightly produced like years the recap if you needed and here is the the easter egg stuff you guys have been doing and if you if you don't watch those shows and you want to pretend that you do that's also a great loophole because we spoil everything and then we do a real fast and then you can act smart with your friends. Even without spending thirty dollars disney premier plus platinum sapphire access. Or whatever it's called lame. Yeah no you've got want i. I really loved them. Especially as i have definitely checked into some other easter egg videos. That are like an hour long. And i'm like why am i here for our. I just wanna know who the background thing was and you and you get very well. It's very funny other really great. So definitely go. Check those out. But this is my long easter egg videos like that man. You know i mean. I don't know how you find the time to do that. On the side to be honest but you keep doing what you guys want to. Great hour-long easter video. My mom hit all sorts of plastic eggs and cadbury delights in the backyard. I'm going to go out. I'm going to do a real time. Easter egg hunt. See if i could find them all and then i'm gonna come inside and eat them out of. My pastel did hit on easter this year. But i only about twelve eggs. So i just kept falling behind her. Taking your out of the basket hiding like. Oh this is these are extend the game play. That's you really like easter egg producer. Would love you because you were being very cost conscious. That is yeah it was. It was like like really grinding mobile. If any developers want each brian for help on producing asset using their fault. Follow games you know who to off. But also i do on your on your directors cut yet. Bring brian. i want to just briefly mention. I had mentioned on twitter. Just in the fallout and full of all the like playstation indies discussion and whatnot. I do know some some developers do listen to the show. I if you have a game coming out in the future on station that you wanna talk about two playstation audience and people love talking about games off feel free to write into beyond an idea dot com. I'd love to talk to some more indie developers on the show. Have them on talk about the gains that they're making why they're so cool because there are so many different varied awesome indicates coming out And would love to be able to spend it. Sounds preferable spending forty five minutes talking about whether or not kojima likes the word director's cuts. Hey it was only thirty ish minutes anyway. Thank you so much for joining us for this week's episode of podcast beyond normally be published every wednesday at three pm pacific at beyond dot com youtube.com/ignbeyond and your favorite podcast services are the world unless of course. Sony surprises us with a thursday. Say to play as they seem to like to do. I will be publishing a three hour version of this episode in september. We're adding race cars and ramps so keep an eye out for that. You can also look to mike. Easter egg breakdown of the show including all of the games that all three of us leaked throughout this episode. 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Why PlayStation's Latest Acquisition Makes So Much Sense - Beyond Episode 707

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Why PlayStation's Latest Acquisition Makes So Much Sense - Beyond Episode 707

"Yon and hello everyone. My name is jonathan bush and this podcast beyond episode seven hundred and seven. I keep wanting to accidentally say six hundred but we're in the seven hundred zero. Gotta get used to that talking about all the latest police station news releases and more right here on youtube. Of course you can also find us on all your favorite podcast services. And why am i doing the end of the show. Now because we're ending the show right now. It's the quickest episode and beyond history. We actually have quite a bit to talk about this week. I'm joined this week by brian altana. Hey what's up beyond beyond lucy. O'brien i hello from new zealand. Hello lucy and mexico ville i'm also in new zealand. I moved all of my dolls and things there. And i'm also hi. It's an incredible one to one that you're able to do from your previous home. So congratulations on that of a note. Lucy thank you for joining us in quite a different time zone and through your internet wife or your hotel internet to be yet. It's actually doing quite well. I thought it was gonna in christ which. I'm in mandatory quarantine. So that's why if you're watching. This video of my background looks extremely different to my usual white. Nothing this yeah. I'm in quarantine the is holding up okay. The is crossed thing is crossed. Yes we'll we'll see what happens. And so if if you hear any or cnn technical difficulties as the show goes on please bear with us but yeah. We have quite a bit to talk about this week. We're going to get to the biggest playstation so that we can just a second. But i do want to briefly. Just follow up on last week's episode. Where of course we talked a little bit about the whole kajima conspiracy. That is a blue box studios and abandoned. We don't think it is actually kajima but anyway they were supposed to put out a trailer app for their horror. Game abandoned the day after we recorded our episode. Of course we were saying unless it gets delayed and lo and behold it did get delayed until august. It got delayed the supposed to go up which like not the best timing to communicate that when all ice on you but Communication about this game has definitely been not one of its highest points. Suffice to say. I think i mostly wanted to bring this up to one something. We didn't mentioned on the show. That i think a few people. I saw the youtube comments measuring was that. Oh please stations giving this game backing though so it has to be a big thing. There was a playstation blog post. And they're creating this trailer app not playstation. There are a lot of games. You probably have never heard of that. Also had playstation blog posts. That you just don't remember and like that is a very more a more common thing and we're actually going to talk about that a little bit later in the show though maybe about the barrier to entry to do so for that but it is a thing that doesn't guarantee that sony is funding this game in any way so i just want to put that out there Question do they. Did they put up a trailer for the trailer app. Not yet know if. I'm going to download an app. I gotta know what i'm getting in for you know. Put up a short film of a man describing y. You couldn't watch the trailer app for two more months. Despite it being supposed to launch that day which is like i feel like they. It's incredibly poor taste. I'll just flat out. Say that but to not communicate that earlier and to do that the morning of i mean there are people being like. What time do you think it goes live nine. Am or what about you know midnight new zealand time or whatever and they're like no. It's just not going to be here for two months. How did they not know until that morning that it wasn't going to be ready for two more months. That's kind of insane. Yeah i wanna see documentary behind this whole like thing. It just feels like everyone is being scrambling. They're being so somebody said of friends of miscommunication. And yeah. I i would love to and it's very. It's very trump ends up at the landscaping. It's got a it's got that vibe. Yeah it's it's industry scenario. Where like. I certainly feel for the dev who didn't expect. All of these is on them in a way that is questioning their own existence. Like this is definitely a guy who for weeks now has been told. You're not real. You're an actor and that probably grates on a person. I can very much like understand empathize with that. But i also i agree with you. Brian like this was definitely something they probably had to have known before the minute they were going to launch. Yeah and knowing how many is are on them they should have just said a couple of days ahead. Hey we have to push this even more. It's a weird case scenario and obviously when that trailer up if it ever goes live at this point we'll keep an eye on. It doesn't just become a normal trailer. They put up at some point on youtube. But we'll all we say it's it's some sort of a playable teaser. You start. they're going to think your kajima now. Who's behind this don't you. It's the patriots in the la lay low lows. They're they're doing it again. And all information is fake and you can find out more on the death. Stranding suburb it. This is going to get picked up on the bread for sure. No but i will say. In terms of the whole silent hill conspiracy aspect of it would look more toward the agreement that we saw pretty recently a ak this morning. We're recording that konami has partnered with bluebird team The team behind the medium and other various horror games To to work together in a partnership. And i don't know konami really doesn't seem to have a ton of horror franchises to pull from that a first person horror and third person action horror. You know studio might wanna work on. I mean we've you know we've talked about this for a long time. Like i remember talking about like where they're an all blue bishop tackle silent. Hell light save several episodes. Oh yeah yeah. This has been a thing that they were rumored to be doing for quite some time and this just feels like the official announcement of the partnership. So that when they announced the air it's not like totally out of the blue i it's an observer pachinko machine and we're overall wrong. I will point out that like the sort of like Ethical concept of bomber men is scary like the idea of sort of sixty four identical men trying to kill each other whether the explosives is theoretically dark prospect. Gary mall contained environment. I think a lot of people have been asking for a first person castle. Vania where you don't have a whip or anything you know just you have to. You know survive all those bats and stuff by yourself. Yeah we're simon belmont just walks around and just slowly mumbles about how bad things got. You gotta hold the right trigger to peak inside a wall. See if there's chickens in there we used to be food here We we can only hope all our game design dreams come true but yeah that that to me at least feels like if you're looking for an actual like fire behind the spoke. That feels like probably a better place to look then so there was a lot of backlash about this. Because i think that people don't really like or they don't think that blueberries is sort of like the team that should be there for silent hill. I you know devil's advocate. Give them a chance. Like see what they're capable of doing. I have a thing. They'll staff up and They'll be able to do something new. Also it's been such a long time since we've had like a traditional silent hill game even. Pt wasn't really traditional silent hill game although it was you know Sort of one of the most brilliant horror experience we've seen in this medium no pun intended. But i enjoyed the medium for the most part. I think that blair blair witch like had a lot of really cool stuff going on for it was kind of an almost. They did a phenomenal job of building. mood in that game and i think that that's one of the things i think of first when it comes to silent hill. It's also like that. You know that that's a franchise that's kind of in disarray and has been for a while like there's dlc for dead by daylight. There's the silent hill collection which is a bad port. And the only real way to kind of revisit those games it's also still thirty bucks which is annoying i. I went to out this morning to see if i could just like jump back in a replay those games. Because it's been so long and i don't know if i'm gonna spend thirty dollars on. You know two games from several generations ago but this is apparently not the only silent hill game being worked on right. now there's also a vr one and there's also these rumors that like a japanese studios working on one of the games. So i don't know if like blueberries making vr sand hill if a japanese studio like we got some answers here. But i feel like there's also this spirals off in more directions and then whatever the hell the abandoned thing is so. I completely just want to add to that that you are at. I really can't who handles a silent. And you sign up silent hill game as long as it's not like an image like i want it to be an interesting development and evolution for that series like my. I guess my one fear with having a listen developer attached because we have seen previous silent hill games with western dibs attached and it always felt a little bit like. Yeah like in a much that we just trying to recapture something. That was very organic in the first place and not really evolving it at all and what was so exciting about. Pt was that kajima seem to be a very new direction. So you know. I'm i'm i'm excited that we're getting like i'm excited. Whenever anyone is tweeting about silent hope. Because i love. That's here but at the same time. Like i'm really hoping to see some evolution there gopher jonathan i was gonna say speaking to your point of like there are reports. I think video game. Chronicles had the report as they've previously been reporting thailand. Held that yeah. There seemed to be projects in the works. And so i think like to your point that it's a bit of a like what is the identity of silent hill. I think could not be trying to figure that out too. And it seems like the answer is probably going in a few directions and we might see what sticks and that kind of ends up being the future of. What this franchises. You know. it's not silent. i'll tell you hundreds of balls rattling through a pachinko machine but why not try a new direction for that quiet quiet franchise the loud mountain of pachinko coming up from konami. I mean we even they make pachuco machines. But i'm just saying they do that. We can get a silent hold water bottle and treadmill machine or whatever else canabis business like they they they have. They are the keepers of some of the most beloved video game franchises. Ever that are all sort of in limbo right now like. It's it's such a bummer. I mean watching like the metro dread stuff out of e three. I was kind of sitting there being. Like where's where's hassle vania. You know like there was. I mentioned this before. But like and i don't think i realized how good i had it in the moment or casavant fans had it in the moment but there was a couple years there were getting a brand new. Just really awesome tutti castle game across the gbi a and the dias for years. We got like six of them and they're they're great. They hold up tremendously well there. They haven't figured out how to port them the modern consoles or make a collection. They are fast tracking goals or anything. There is a couple territories in castellini. Advanced collection has been rated by by ratings sports. So i am hoping that those are getting poured to at least pc but hopefully consoles to veto just on a screen with lights that come out of. It's actually he begins. Yeah i had the worst gameboy like plug in light pry had that. Yeah actually see those games. they're phenomenal. It is a very strange case. And i think we're going to keep covering it. Obviously as we hear more officially. But i just want to follow up on that as we did spend a little bit of time on abandoned last week but moving to a game. That isn't abandoned at all. In fact been acquired to pick up another a name returnable the desma high maternal house mark have been officially acquired by playstation. They are now an official part of the police haitian studios family of studios so they joined. Obviously i pretty teams like naughty dog and then and sucker punch insomniac and whatnot. It's really awesome to see sony. Pick them up alongside and it will. We'll talk about both aspects of this alongside. That announcement was a now deleted tweets from playstation japan that also welcomed blue point games. The demon souls remake creators to the playstation family as well The thing that makes people think that was more than just a typo is because they actually had a bespoke new image. That had all of these sort of like playstation studios lined up included demons in there had them have the point logo on there. So we're potentially looking blue point also being officially acquired presumably in announcement sometime to come soon if that is the case but as of right now we know how smart has been picked up and i for one. I'm really excited by this. I've loved house. Mark for quite some time on playstation and at least for my emma and bryan will start with you in terms of like these deals is sort of felt like maternal and demons those also to another extent if blue point turns out to be true resort of like the final test. Beds of like okay. We kind of want this deal to happen. But let's see what you do with our brand new hardware and right. Both were hits. Both were critically acclaimed and it felt like okay. The seals the deal. Yeah no return was one of my favorite games this year. It's one of the best. Ps five games. It's a house mark right before returning came out. I went like kind of download spree and re downloaded every old house. Mark game that. I could get my hands on Most of them. I had purchased already so it was easy to do that. And like they have such an awesome pedigree. And i just i really love their approach to sort of taking this like eighties nineties arcade design philosophy and modernizing it and also like on on a personal level. It's just super cool to see a hard work pay off and be rewarded. This is a studio that has been consistently awesome but also very openly had financial troubles. And you know had dabbled in making mobile games chasing the battle royal craze and shit like that and it was just like get. It's so cool to see them not have to worry about that like they. They moved him with the family. That's going to take care of them. They're going to get support their staffing up. Which is part of the announcement is like. They're they're bringing new people on there already said they're working on a new project that isn't a sequel to return on. It's it's going beyond return on whatever that means. And i i love this. I love this. This is such a cool sort of feather in the cap of what he's doing to join like oliver studios and stuff like that and for so many people This sony third. You know first party studios are basically just like long story driven. Sad dad's stories and there was some sad mom stuff in return for shore and it's it is a third person you know kind of bleak sad game in a lot of ways but also like this. This is this is a studio that just knows how to have fun with these sort of arcane genre and i can't wait to see what they do next. I'm so happy for them. That they get to continue to grow and evolve and stick to their guns and make cool stuff. That's the best news in the world. You can possibly ask for for a studio like this. yeah. I'm really excited for them. To your point of like having that backing because return felt like the the first step in their new era where do have this arcadian a and i think that's going to continue to be part of their games but to have the backing in the support and the stability. I think that's something that we've seen on both sides like tim. Schafer was very open about like wanting to join xbox after like the double fined notoriously like stayed independent very specifically for a long time but because it meant he didn't have to worry about also pitching the next game to be able to get funding for it. They could dry have that funding insecurity back there and so especially for a smaller team like house mark. Who's been putting in the work for years. Who has been like. I think stalwart of a high point of both the. Ps four is launch day. And now the first six months of the ps five and been on ps three and vida as well like. I'm very very happy for them. And i'm excited to see what comes from them next. it's also watch charting. Their evolution has been fascinating to return was such a step up over anything else that they've may before and that's i can't wait to see them growth. That's so cool. So i'm looking at the reason to me. You hit max. I was gonna say just talking about sort of the evolution of the studio both house mark and blue point this is. This is not really that surprising because they both been. I would say sort of primarily in bed with sony for around fifteen years each I mean the majority of things that house markets put out have been have been playstation exclusive superstar does hd. There was the the ps version. There was dead nation which was across all the playstation platforms a bunch of vita games The the exceptions here really like the angry birds trilogy and Outland which was multi platt. And but they've clearly been like really like they've been pretty tight with with sony like they've been making lots of you know playstation four exclusives or playstation three exclusives and then looking at blue point. I mean obviously there. Are you know. They're a port house for the most part but they really good ports The only the only ports they've done that weren't for a playstation system were the medal your solid hd collection and the three sixty version of titanfall. Like everything else that they did have has been a playstation game so it feels. It feels less like i mean obviously this. Is you know this is an acquisition. it's cool. They're going to have some more money to throw around and they have the security of that but like this feels more like a you know. John snow's part of the family. This this sort of like bastard. Step kid is allowed to come to christmas. Officially like he gets to be in the sears portrait studio photo like it's Yeah more your friends that were engaged for a long time get married yeah exactly yeah yeah. Similar to sorry looks good. Yeah i just wanted to add that. Like i feel like this is a very simplistic observations. I apologize in advance. It feels like so many is starting to. It's it's very mc you wish like it fit like with the wretched clank. The when i when talent that and you see the sony studios logo and it's very much like the marvel studios logo and like they getting all. These kind of smaller develop is under their wings. Like how the mc you is is getting like taika ytd and pets lists known. Direct is under their wing. Right it's like and all of a sudden you'll getting these very totally different films and under the playstation better. You'll getting these very totally different games. And i think that's really exciting and interesting but like from the outside that is starting to feel very nca early right. It's very much like a. We used to have that sort of you know. Only on playstation nintendo seal of approval graphic. You'd see on things and this is by having a really cohesive I party kind of label. It's really being like this. Is you can expect a certain level of quality from this. And i i wonder if they just sort of looked at their long relationship with house mark and blue point and they were just like hey passed the test that can can come. Hang out in a leaning into it from like a marketing angle. As soon as they registered like for me it was that ratchet and clank. Sony's thing is it's like. Oh okay what you're doing. I think there's always been some confusion among among players. Obviously we're pretty. We're pretty close to this. But like what constitutes a first party game versus a game that is exclusive to a platform right if you can only play it on playstation and you start up your your system and it has the playstation logo and then you play the game. But it was developed by people who don't work for playstation. They just made a playstation game. That's you know that's not a first party thing. It's just you know just exclusive but you know that you can have i. It's it that doesn't like you get you get the playstation startup logo on every you know. Ps one ps two ps. three game. Like there's always a there's that thing there and it's just sort of. It's kind of nice that they have like a really. It's it is. It is cohesive branding to be like. Hey this is this is one of our games. You can only get this here in evolution of the nintendo seal of quality. Absolutely not well. We don't mind names in boxes anymore so having a little sticker on the top. It's his only on playstation. Doesn't work because if you're buying it from the playstation store you're not checking to see if it's on the xbox marketplace or steam or whatever so having this thing getting your face when you first started out to be like I can only get this here and two years acquiring acquiring them. I think also like lucid ear point. It's it's assembling the team. Who have been sort of a part of it for some time. And i think this is bumped those people up to that next level like you were saying i think most of the directors now are people who did one indy. There was a joke on. I'm watching hacks on. Hbo max and there's a joke about how like someone did one indie film and now she's doing the next marvel movie that was kinda that's been the thing with the us. You do. An indie movie that really click critically acclaimed. You win an oscar. If you're close io and then direct marvel movie and so i like return on demon souls where i think both really big hits and i think are kind of looked at the next gen games right now like other and russian klenk of course but those were the two not owned companies by sony and if sony just acquires them then yeah they're the face of what next gen games are looking like right now and that can go a long way for marketing. Because i am honestly sure that like you know. As long as those studios remained independent and seeing the acclaim that return demon tells gotten seeing the work that they put in probably other people want to work with housework and blue point. And that's a matter of sony. Probably saying we wanna make sure we're always going to be able to work with them and their teams that probably could use the backing in the funding insecurity. Because that's you know something these probably love to have. I wonder how long this has been in talks because if you know maternal again it's that is the biggest house smart game to date and demon's souls toxins sleigh last year. Okay yeah yeah. I wonder if it was a sort of like okay. You ship the you shift to launch title. Welcome aboard but or if this was even just like a conversation prior to that but apparently they were talking about a towards the tail end of development for return uil and then and this is where it gets confusing to me kind of put it aside so the team could finish the game. I guess instead of just being like hey you might have to. You know move sooner or something like that or like you know. We might have a new like like. If you're your studio gets bought out and things change. It was too much sort of shake up when they were just sort of at the finish line of making you know dragging the game to go gold Which i guess makes sense because like if they're hiring new people and stuff like that that creates a lot of new dynamics at a studio And so like. That's that's pretty cool. That not only were they were like. Hey this is kind of you know on the horizon right now but also finish what you're working on We'll see how it does and then we'll talk and then return sold really well which is great you know yeah like seventy dollars punishing arcade game basically really put house mark on the map in a way that i think like. They've been critically acclaimed for a while but matching that with some commercial. Success will really go. I think in the future and lucid to point. I think like immediately. Even if they don't continue with fraternal i think like making house mark and maternal and selena. Part of this brand that you now know as part of the mci of playstation makes a lot. I'm going forward and blue points and interesting when two were as as maxi were looking into their history like they are pretty much known for remastered and remakes. I wonder if that's what continues from them because they know how to do it really really well. And there are a bunch of all playstation franchises. People want to see but like it's also talented studio and i wonder what they're inclinations are doing and original project as well and maybe this offers them security to do both of those things. Okay so. I'm looking at the at the playstation five launch games. This might be a little bit tin foil hat. But i feel like if this trend continues it would not surprise me. One bit to see sony scoop up sumo digital and young horses because soon Sack boys big adventure. Which you know. I mean this. Isn't you know there's no indication that like a company that makes a launch title for a platform would be necessarily acquired. But i feel like you know. Sumo also did little big planet three and They've gotta look long track record looking at young horses. Who did who did bug snacks. Which was kind of a kind of a surprise launch game and it was also like free out the gate. They also they have a history of doing the octa. Dad was using playstation move support. They had a. I don't know it was. I don't even know. I don't know if that was exclusive specifically but like i might have launched. That was an early game for. It's an existing relationship there. I just. I mean i'm gonna. I'm just going to say that now and if it happens somebody remind me that i said we can here. Yeah yeah young is an interesting one like having talked to that team of bunch lie. I wonder like how much they would value the independence over the security of that stuff. And i'd be very curious to see where they go in the future. I'm very excited for whatever comes from the masan who doug a lot. Sumo's an interesting one. Because he had they now have a very standing sack boy and little big planner relationship and they are like a much more much wider company than just that like they think sumo were also. The people who made hood simply lay are wired on c. They've acquired several studios like they are a big company into themselves so i i almost wonder if that just remains a partnership at this point. Yeah that that could also check out. But i mean if you i feel like a lot of ways. Young horses has a very very double fine kind of energy to them. Like the wacker. Know you look at a lot of sort of sony's other stuff and it's very it's very polished and you know aaa and shiny and clean and sort of the have like the class clown in their portfolio would be you know good edition of selene joining this sort of like playstation two vendors. Because it's like you have all these people that are like rot with trauma and then like these people being like. Oh cradles is like my wife died and then like fucking joel's like my daughter died lanes like i've been killed hundreds of thousands of times and lived through every second of it. It fucking sucks pan over to like dave hand over to the the bug snacks. And he's like hotdogs for hands after sliding scale of tragedy place. Making the one thing that i have consistently heard from from like dave's who have worked on the sony bene- is that they have always been afforded a great deal of creative freedom. Like that is what i've heard. I mean that is just been told from speaking to people at like media molecule for example that there is are there is little interference from that like company so when it comes to acquiring smaller scrappy as studios. I don't. I don't think that i'm not only concerned that sony is going to like. Try and get them towards a certain type of saudi game. I think that right. It's a degree of understanding. That are bay should be allowed to go out and do and make what they wanna make the same way we're seeing the xbox acquisitions of teams being like no we want we acquired you to make the games we want you to make like. I think they want how smart to make. House mark games if it turns out they want blue point to make either the remakes or the original games. The blue point wants to make i think if they acquired a smaller very like idiosyncratic team like young horses it would be like because we want you to make those games to like turn them. I guess the closest comparison. I can think of which has been one of my major. Bombers is like activision side. We have a lot of really imaginative. Great teams like the toys for bob team who were doing the spiral and new crash games. Who are now working on. Call of duty and it. It like hurts my heart to see the the ingenuity originality and creativity that came out of a team within this larger activision banner to then just continue now having call of duty. And so yeah. I don't think we see that sort same thing with playstation. I think we get games. They want to which is kind of different than what you do. See with comic book movie directors because like a lot of them have been very open about being like. This was my movie and those parts of the parts that the studio told me to put in so it can connect to the larger cinematic universe narrative Yeah i mean. Of course it's worth pointing out and talking about you know. Obviously there was a report several months ago that we've talked about quite a bit on the show of the worry. That sony was just doubling on blockbusters at the risk of creative freedom or of at the excuse me at the limitation of risky creativity. But it's at least with these new studios. I think they're requiring them in the sense to let them do what they do. Best in terms of like sony's interesting continuing to acquire part of the news of this came out from a g. q. u. k. interview with the leads of house mark as well as herman host and asked herman if it feels like. We're in the midst of this arms race because microsoft but that's the facebook scooping up a lot of deb's for vr. Is sony interested in our in arms race. And or do they see it as an arms race and herman said quote. No not at all very selective about the developers that we bring in our last new acquisition was insomniac which has worked out very well. I'm always looking for people that have a similar set of value similar creative ambitions and work very well with our team that we can further invest in and help grows creators. It's not like we're going around and just making random acquisitions they're very very targeted acquisitions of teams that we know well the amount of collaboration between our external development group and house spark on the technical side the production management side and even on the creative side has been so deep so for us. It just makes so much sense to do that. Obviously this is not something. You do overnight. We've been working on this for quite a while but we obviously didn't want to distract the core group at house mark. That's been working together. This amazing title out. Brian as you had mentioned earlier and i think the strongest point that i can bring up about this that where i get that like. Their current approach is coming from his. Like the i've had those discussions with herman about fire walk studios and deviation games and of course they also are working with jade raymond's haven studios like they're not acquire in those teams. Those teams are still independent. These next new games are being published. And that feels like his point about their their targeted acquisitions of teams that we know well and even if those studios are headed by people they know well like those are brand new team and so it seems like sony's letting those teams almost like figure out themselves a little bit while working with them and still giving them the keys to the kingdom and letting them work with their resources but not fully taking them on just yet because it is a risk at that point with a new team right. I think that's why the thing fell so surprising for a lot of people because it didn't really seem like there was a deep history between those companies outside of just sort of coexisting in supporting platforms and such Whereas sony acquisitions definitely feel like you know the. We have a history of working with you. You've proven to exist well within our ecosystem we trust you. You know how to deliver a product that Audiences like and critics like and sell as well so i guess like to me. It would be more like to see what. Sony should acquire what i want him to acquire in. The future would be more like filling holes in our gaps in genres and stuff like that that they're not truly covering on right now which off the top of my head. I don't really have a ton that i would think of whereas i you know. Obviously microsoft has been the last few years sort of ramping up and staffing up and getting to a place where they're a lot more comfortable and can go. Here's our here's our sweet. Who's our library. Here's our all over studios games. But sony's been doing that for a very long time. So i think that there ever really rock solid foundation so i actually don't know who i'd want to see them purchase so maybe that is a good philosophy of sort of being selective. Because i don't think they should just go you know. Throw a billion dollars at capcom or something and go. Hey you're ours now. Yeah i worry too. I don't want too much consolidation of the industry. Because you get into that monopolization issue. I do agree like the xbox made the deal that needed to and it was a smart move because they needed to shore up having original exclusives to be able to put on game pass to be able to get people to want to invest in that as a service like it totally made sense from that perspective. But i agree with you. It was a very funny move coming off of two playstation five announced exclusives from bethesda with money. Money money money. that's one that acquisition was all about and again like good on them for securing that safety like that. That gives a lot of safety to be part of such a larger corporation like but there was big. Microsoft is microsoft. It'd be part of that larger house. It just makes sense from a financial point as you're saying lucy even even if the relationship doesn't feel as the same as like oh yeah sony acquiring insomniac because like that should have happened fifteen years ago yeah of course same with same with how smart and really sing with blue point like if that one also proves out to be which feels like it will like those. Just feel obvious to me. But i don't want them to go say like well. We've been publishing a lot of squaring final fantasy games exclusively at first. Let's just acquires corinne ex. I don't want that to happen on the playstation side. Roping nice and quiet from soft. That'd be cool they did. They did purchase a minority stake in from sauce parent company. A while back. So we'll see what happens there but for now so pretty well multi-platform and i feel like elvin rings can and do the same but we'll see i mean this is. This is more money than any of us could ever understand happening constantly with people who are smarter than us and so i feel like i've i feel like a child just like feeling like the muppet babies just sea legs yeah higher than like the nannies skirt. I'm okay. I'll pretend star wars with my friends for this. This is like fourth graders deciding what furniture they wanted their dream house. This is yeah. I'm freaking out about paying rent today and figuring out where that money is coming from where we're not yeah. We're not qualified for the million dollar. Hundreds of millions of dollars deals just says that you can just tell them. I have this stock. So i assume that company but no very congratulations to the housework team haven't gotten to speak with a few of them with the launch of fraternal. They seemed like a really great passionate group of deb's who've been doing amazing work for years and i'm very excited to see what's ahead for them and maybe congrats to blue point as well. Hopefully we get to talk with you. In the future celebrate would be remastered bloodborne or just putting that out there. It's good times good television. Just drag a drop of put it through the graphics processor and make all those secret skeletons that the people on youtube found in the walls and such you know. Bring those those those old horses get those out there five volume metric fog. I read that somewhere. I don't know what it is but it sounds spooky yarn them. It is a phrase. I've definitely heard as well in. Gd talk moving on from there though. Of course whether or not that happens. We'll of course cover it on the show when or if it does but in terms of looking forward a little bit closer to games. You can play on playstation plus next month. July's places from plus lineup was revealed this morning as we're recording and includes on ps for wwe battlegrounds. Which i think is that like sort of cheapie. Wwe game that got released when they said there wasn't going to be a proper wwe game because the developers chiba. Tv's the wrong nomenclature. I feel like that is deformed or okay. There's also decay mode and goldeneye basically. Okay black ops. Four which is not the most recent backups. Let alone the most recent call of duty and on ps five a till innocence. Which is coming to you. All is getting a next gen re master on. Ps five and xbox here. He's in the beginning of july. So this will be free to playstation plus owners. No additional charge there. I'm really excited. I've heard such great stuff about a plague sale. And i've been waiting to jump into it hoping there would be an action remastered since it came out so late in the gen and now that we have a sequel confirmed for next year. I really want to jump into this. One it's extremely undervalued. So i'm definitely came to jump into it. One of the best rats games i've ever played high praise. It does have interesting. Well we. I'm happy about that one the other two. I'm less happy about except for to say like just put some some cool games. People may not have heard of before instead of call eighty. I tried to get into that. That wrestling game on game pass. Because i was like i'm looking for just a free to download or whatever i'll i'm looking for like a fun. Sort of like arcadia beat him up it one of the most like grind e games. I've ever played in my entire life. Like it's kind of a bummer. Because like there's there's some really cool ideas in the back end of sort of like unlocking you will not characters in action figure packages like they have carfax and everything and bubbles. It was super cool but you have to fight like hundreds of matches to get sweat points or whatever they call them and they game to unlock the the men. And the women so yeah. It's kind of a bummer. Just a heads up it will be. It's to download. Nps plus or as part of your subscription but. That is a serious time commitment. So just keep in mind that your time is just as valuable or maybe it's not. Maybe you're just bored and you rind grind crying for From what is mitchell reviewed it on gm and give it a five zang. It works as shallow party game. You play for an hour then move onto something else and that's it so take that one with a little bit of caution but definitely. I hope you'll all be talking on a plate taylor because i will be too if you're shallow party dude you're gonna love shall already dudes and grinders for matt. Apparently from there. I just wanted to briefly mention We were talking. About the castleblaney arcade collection getting raided in a few places. The esrb rated a. goes tsushima director's cut for. Ps four nps. Five this comes on the heels of a few reports and rumors of alleged single player. Deal see expansion coming at some point that has been referred to as goes to you shema. That's make sense as sort of the type of thing you would put in a director's cut Whether or not that's all planned for some sort of reveal play or something else. We don't know for sure but i just wanted to keep that one on the radar because i'll take an excuse to go back and explore that very very pretty world. What point out on the on the run a show. You told us what was on the roads. We discussed this before we recorded. But you wrote more ghosts stuff director's cut and i was like what is more ghost stuff. That sounds like a great indie game. I can't believe i missed. That word says swayze movie. They found some new scenes. They're going to re put it out again. He's dave instead of just doing potter. They do all sorts of art stuff. I've actually never seen ghost. So it's okay. You don't need to see that movie. I only know that seem like community parodies. We anyway moving on from there. Last thing i wanted to bring up with something. Thank you maximum pointing this out. It was a thread that appeared overnight in our in. Us hours regarding things potentially about what it takes for indie games to appear and be promoted and work with a platform x. Which is if you read between the lines very obviously playstation This thread comes from an forgive me. I never know how to pronounce it. When there's another. I in there so forgive me but is it. E- ain orion say infant double ian garner apologies for butchering your name but co founder of a publisher in any publisher known as neon doctrine. Which i will fully admit. I was not really aware of them before this thread but the threat has picked picked up some steam overnight where he runs through the very clearly came based on his previous tweets after a meeting with platform x. Which he says is will not be defined. But it's the operator of a very successful consul and does not have game pass. So obviously we're all. I mean it's the atari ucs but being to even further dig into that. Somebody responded and they were like. I'd be shocked if this wasn't nintendo and he responded be shocked so that's numbers down. There have been a couple of other developers who've chimed in obviously not too many because it seems like these things are related to probably things you signed as for or do you know. Long standing business deals up so there hasn't been a ton of developers speaking publicly but his thread kind of goes into the the difficulties as an indie developer of getting promotion or putting a promotional push behind your games on the playstation store. Some of the some of the things that he brings up include That they don't really have an ability to manage their games on the store. They said in order to get promotion. You must jump through hoops beg and plead for any level promotion. They also don't feel like a blog. Post says worth it as they think playstation thinks it is according to him. This is of course all alleged based on their conversations. They said wishlists. Don't really have an effect on the playstation store whereas they can surface games on other platforms can go ahead. You do understand that. Because i'm not sure because i wish list games every now and then Because i know when you do it on steam they'll paying you when they're icon sailor deep discount or something like that and i don't necessarily know the justification of reasoning for that i think it's i've seen developers say like hey wishlist star game Sort of in lieu of preorder because pre ordering games digitally know unless there's a actual value to it like there's bonus content or something. It's not necessarily something. I'm interested in any way but Yeah i don't really know what the purpose is for wishlist thing on these sort of e e shops because it doesn't seem to do anything significant and i think that is like a set of understanding or a promise that if you're gang gets wishlist enough times it receives a certain degree of like the promotion. Right yeah come. Tell the i think the idea is that and again. This is something that were were saying. Not knowing how these deals properly workout but the as you were saying. Brian like on steam. There's there's the you wishlist things there and a game that gets wishlist. It enough seems to get algorithm. Mickley bumped up for people. That is the thing that is part of steam. I think what he is implying that doing so on playstation doesn't offer any sort of similar net gain so it's essentially like a worthless tool that doesn't mean but but it's hard to say because we don't know anyone who said oh i've gotten wishlist it a million times and been able to get promotion as we. We just don't know the numbers of that right because the the idea of like wishlist something a lot of times indentikit earns promotion is is sort of like it's it's making something on the rise to popularity more popular. It's giving rich people gift bags with phones in them. And it's like give those too poor people you know like there's like the idea of like something getting wishes that a lot and then bumping up Seems weird because it's like that that still doesn't save any of the sort of hidden gems the undiscovered like really cool games that no one really knows about Obviously all these storefronts have a discover ability problem massively massively. Because there's just too many games released and there's little rectangles you can put there but i think what is really are i. I'm working with an indie game. Dave right now. He's writing a guest editorial for us on like how shouldn't talk about it before it's even published but like about how are the indy is becoming really nebulous and it's actually working actively against a lot of indie dibs in terms of promotion and from my understanding that that's across like i'm not saying that their are issues with the sony storefront because obviously there are a lot of really money issues that this guy is raising but in our i think as a general roll it is really really difficult to get your indie game of which is now classified as anything list and aaa promotion on on on storefronts like it's like. I don't think it's the justice sony playstation issue. I think that it's a. It's a everything issue. It's like there. There are no buckets in which two separate indie games in a in a meaningful way. And i think that. That's a broader compensation to be had. And i think ryan just to just to the point of the wishlist thing. I think the idea is that india. Devs use it as a way to groundswell support via social media which again exposes a problem that has like across the board of discover ability. Just being an issue. I think the idea is that the wishlist thing. When there's enough passion. From a small group it can elevate those smaller games and then that lets people who would have never seen it. otherwise on those charts in place of prominence. They wouldn't have otherwise again. I think it speaks. You just like the fact that people need to go out of their way and really do all this stuff to get. Any sort of prominence is is an issue. I think we can all agree. All of the storefronts are generally have their own problems. I don't think any great storefront no even down to the search functionality and a lot of these stores if you type in something like far cry you're going to get dozens of resulted aren't even remotely related to that. And obviously those are just two words together so that really could like anybody who tagged keywords in the back end of their a game description that might flag that in a search. But it's just crazy to me. Like nintendo had the same problem for while one of the things that developers were doing that. I think they shut down on the nintendo e shop was they were deep discounting their game to like pennies because most people who buy games in the shop get money in kind of gold mine nintendo coins and return so everybody has a couple of pennies in the wallet or a couple of bucks or whatever so they would deep discount these games at ninety ninety five percent off. Drop them down to like a dollar or sometimes a penny and people would buy them like crazy because he'd be like oh. That's at the top of the sales tab or the deals tab which would then bump it to the best selling tap and it was sort of like a cheat code. And i remember like there was a lot of really bad games at sold really well because people were like all by game for a penny and then the developers would bump the price back up to the original price and so you would have this bestselling game at eight dollars or nine dollars or even five dollars and people would go like. Oh it's the best one of the bestselling games. It must be good and it. Isn't you know it just sold really well. Because it was a penny because people by crapping. It's a penny and so yeah. All these stores have that problem it is. It is odd to me like when you when you go on like the deals tab or like the you know the spotlight tab and a lot of these stores you c- call of duty and you see battlefield and you see gta and a lot of games. That don't need help but also like air bestsellers. So it's sort of like a chicken and egg situation right like because they want you on an audience to buy a ps five or a series acts or a switch and jump on the store and see the biggest bestselling highest rated games and it helps keep those things in perpetuity at the top of the charts. But it leaves little room for breakthroughs of. I agree but i think outside of like you know the. The broad issues is still front as a whole just reading through this thread. It seems like there's a lot of like issues that this guy has having and it sounds like others. Having with communication from playstation the kentucky sheds an issue right. Yeah which which. We obviously don't have any insight into how those conversations like go in terms of where we don't have those conversations because we're not making games but yeah two of his biggest problems to me seem to be the the as you were saying the conversations to actually just get promotional consideration approval. Things like that seem to be really stuck in the past. And i think his frustration comes from the idea that playstation has publicly taken an increase stance to want to support indies but that the behind the scenes machinations. Don't necessarily live up to that promise and some of the things that he points to as you're saying lucy are like it can take you know not just weeks but months sometimes to get a response. I believe if that wasn't him. Another developer had jammed into say that of communication for these things. There was some concern over you know actual platform featuring which i want to bring up some reporting in this but he mentioned how you know all the stores take a thirty percent cut but to really essentially get a feature you have to pay a minimum of twenty five thousand dollar fee to get featured kacoos report on this sorry. I am playing with a rookie. So if you see that pop up that's why there's little green monkey here kacoos reporting also mentioned that from developers. They've spoken to that. Seems to be something that is similar on xbox as well which you know for in can be a large chunk of their budget for some of these ads. And so i think he was talking about sort of the amalgam of all these things with the the problem of communication. Even something like discounts like being able to do launch discounts is really not n- option for them at least they're very limited for them to be able to give their game at launch discount which i have seen some games like most. Recently i think griff lands was available as playstation plus discount at launch. But but speaking to that they mentioned things like discounts are hard to be to be part of future discounts. It's basically you don't get to do it yourself as of something about the choose when and where those things happen. It's sort of a. It seems like a web of issues of that boiled down to a lot of mc as you were saying communication stuff. Max and whole like we'll decide how to market your game. Sounds a lot like how iowa games are published like. I've heard that apple's basically like you submit your stuff and they're just sort of like. When is it go out. We'll let you know and it's like a little bit. A little bit presumptuous. It bugs me though because like whenever a new game comes out. Indie triple whatever. If i happen the playstation store i feel like the top thing i see is either games. That came out a while ago. And everyone's heard of because they're massive bestsellers or games aren't even out yet because they're pre orders for stuff that just got announced he three and like this. I mean this happened for like For final fantasy integrate. I think and it was it was it was still pretty high up but i was like i was looking for it and i was like this just came out today white. Isn't this front and center like this is one of the biggest things and it's frigging exclusive to the platform. Like what are you. What are you doing over here and like. I don't know if you if you go to the search and you organized by release date. Or whatever like newest i you can find some stuff that way but it really is just like. It's completely baffling that. There's no there's no like here's what just came out. It's all of the things some of them. Maybe they're shovel. Wear that cost seventy five cents. Maybe it's a playstation theme. Just put that somewhere in those the storefront front pages also collate like movie deals and the subscription services like playstation plus nps now which take up huge amounts of real estate. And so let's like they know if you have playstation plus or not like get rid. Yeah you have it like. Maybe maybe if i'm paying you money every month like get rid of the ads. The stuff this while. We're so boxing. This pissed me off theater to too. I got an email from sony Do you remember before. The ps five went on sale. There was nothing you could sign up for where they were like position direct. Yeah yeah and they were like you can buy a playstation directly through us. And i never got the email from them. All these people were like tweeting out beta invites and stuff like that. And i didn't get one so i ended up getting my. Ps five through amazon. And sony knows. I have a. Ps five they know that millions of people can't get a ps five and can't get one and they know i've registered i'm purchasing multiple five games digitally through their storefront. They know i'm a. I'm getting trophies. Nps five they know the ecosystem. Like i'm not just faking it using a friends. They send me a thing the other day being like good news. You got approved to purchase a ps five through us. And i wanted to be like. I don't need this give. This is somebody who needs this. So many people want this right now and they're fighting tooth and nail for no. Maybe you wanted to sell it for a thousand bucks on ebay. That same email to brian. I felt kind of like you know if i have a. Ps five horse in the mouth their griffin's now playstation for but i don't think you could pass those to somebody else right because they were like now. Yeah i yeah. I think the larger threat and i think one of the things that at least truck a chord with me and make sure the one who brought to my attention so if you feel differently obviously let me now but i think like the really start thing for me was that especially seeing the reporting. That's come out since and probably more to come. Is that like there are problems across the board but playstations does really seem to boil down to his lucy was saying like the communication and the the way they at least this team some other. Take it as like a. We don't need you. You don't need us. That is an alleged presumption of sort of those conversations. Boil down to. We obviously haven't been part of that but that seems to be like the energy that they're walking away from from these condoms. Every this like absolutely as soon as this kind of threat gets media attention. I really hope that there are changes made because this cages this sound agonizing looking through this thread. It just sounds you put like everything you have into making this game and getting it on the playstation store and then you have to just jump through these hoops doomed to fail it just sounds so agonizing going are they got rid of the drop on the playstation blog where it used to be like a weekly thing that was cures everything that came out this week which was super handy is great skin that every week and check it out and i understand that not. Everybody wants to go check out a blog. 'cause it's a thing from two thousand and four or whatever but now that now that blog is just like this weird like smattering of like. Oh here's a press. Release about call of duty. Which i don't i don't need to read that. And then at announcement from herman holes which seems like a thing. That's you know proper playstation blog thing. And they'll be like. Oh here's a here's the thing from Oh one of the bleed producers of an upcoming game talking about his game and what it's doing and it's like i guess that's sort of cool but it's it's you know again it's like a it's a smaller sort of a paid log. It's just like a really odd sort of odd platform. At this point. That could be used. As like a sort of you know a customer like a pr mouthpiece way to re you know relate information to the public. It could be know super handy in that sense. I want to say like There's mention there about how like people are assigned like case managers. Or whatever like you have like a you have somebody at sony who's assigned here to your game to sort of handle him. Be your stir appointed contact. And i've heard about this before from you know developer friends and it sounds to me like Like having a social worker in its which is just. It's like a parole officer and like if you get if you get stuck with a one who's not great at their job or is it doesn't have your best interests at heart. Then you're kinda screwed and if you get with a really good one then things are awesome. But it's like know. There's no way to really tell one way or the other and i mean it sounds like this guy definitely got kinda short stick on a number of levels. Yeah it sounds like it can be a bit of a crapshoot because i it is worth pointing out like especially in this era where they are trying to push things. I think we were talking before the show. But like you know shuhei appeared on the the jeff keely not e three show to be like. Here's chicory that's out today and again. They're putting some muscle behind. Because it's a playstation five console exclusive and they announced the salton sanctuary sequel on there as playstation loves indie sort of thing and so. It's very clear that like some indies are getting you know attention and promotion and love from playstation. But i think it's like the thread speaks to the just the sheer number of devs. Who you probably don't hear about from the one or two spotlights at show like keeley show and how they can fight for space on a platform that is arguably supposed to be the biggest console and the golden touch right like it comes down from on high as like you and you and the rest of you can thing i'm curious about is if you launch your game on steam to sales there factor into like getting sony's attention mike. Will that get you courted by somebody. Who's trying to corral more indie stuff to put on the espn store if you wanna if you wanna launch on all platforms at once which is obviously a great way to get everyone's eyes on it. That's i can see that being tricky. But if you're like oh it's it's been the number one steam game for you know like i five five months or whatever you know. I don't know that's that's really interesting prospect because there's a lot of sort of staggered launches. That happened that it seems to be working in their favor. Occasionally like if you look at like haiti's right like that was sort of dominated that conversation on switch and now it's coming to playstation and it's like this whole thing you know like i feel like that reignited that conversation just because that audience wasn't allowed to access it for a long time and then now ken But it's interesting. Because i know i get frustrated when like a big new game comes out and i go to buy it on playstation. And they're like oh it's not here it's only on steam and your phone or something and i'm like what super giants one of my favorite and they have had a long standing with transistor and pyre like both of those verve. You know playstation focused released indies. And then it was really surprising to nazi. Haiti's come to gestation. I like when it got enough for switch. I was just happy to finally play. Because i don't play much on pc but like it was really a shock. Did not see super giants decks game come to playstation obviously. I'm not saying there was any issue there with their relationship but there is this. We're in a very strange era. for indies. it feels like playstation both like publicly and now it seems behind the scenes as well. Like i they have started to put this impetus ever since you. Hey gotten to his role that is focused on altree outreach dandy as a sign that they were going back to what they did during the vita years as we have in a recent piece that went up on. Gm that we can talk about in the second. But the those years in the very beginning of the ps four like indies were put on the same stage as the biggest games stuff. Like noman. sky was trotted out. At several playstation games is launched notwithstanding baby ed example loop trousers or something like that was one. They put a lot of muscle behind and they were right. They wanted to and they put you know on the first playstation for three that. I attended as a freelancer they. They're like here's twelve. Big indies coming. A ps four. And it was like they had all the devs come out on stage to play their game for like a minute and did all this. Quick carousel things like they want to show that outwardly. And i think they're trying to do that again. But it does if things behind the scenes or not living up to that those processes do have to change but again it's processes we don't have a full insight into. We'll be covering more as we go on again. It is very clear there are issues throughout all of the storefronts that are going on. This one particular is focused on. What's going on on playstation dora. This guy sounds like a pretty big xbox fan. Maybe some blood in the water there. We'll see but it's something we'll obviously continue to cover as we hear more. Obviously we haven't heard any comment from playstation at the time were recording this but should there be more reporting elsewhere. Will we'll be sure to keep an eye on it. Running a little short on time this week so i just wanted to briefly mention. I know we took a little bit of time last week but lucy before he left you. You're just continuing reckon clank correct in terms of what. You've still still. I don't have my plan station with me. It's just her heavy to take and my suitcase and and luck to new zealand But yeah i was. I was really digging it. I mean i don't want to go on about it. i. I think it's a delight to play. It's got a real theme park by just feels good to play. And i'm looking forward to getting back to it when i returned to the. Us and six weeks switch. So i'll j. to the games that multi-platform on the switch. I don't know they both seem like pretty portable platforms in my opinion but each their own. I suppose brian what have you been playing. Since we last checked in god the idea even bringing up five airplane. I played a bunch of chicory which is cool. I'm not in love with the art style. But i think it's like really smart the way it handles these sort of like adult coloring book drawings that you then color in on the fly. It's really smart in that like you can sort of sporadically splash some paint across the screen. And it'll stay there for the rest of your playthrough so you'll just like paint some kind of like goat man all crappy looking and then he just has to live like that forever until he's dead It's it's a very zelda light which i totally dig It's on steam in playstation right. Now watch some videos of it first and get an idea of it 'cause it's you you might not be in love with it but i think it's i think it's pretty cool and i'm excited to finish it. Apparently it's only like ten hours on I also started scarlet. Nexus which i'm about ten hours in it's awesome I haven't really like kinda been hooked by jr pg in a while but this one has such It's so much like the combat is so much different than like your typical j. rpg. It feels a lot more sort of actiony a lot. More platinum games The art direction for the sort of overall city is is really really cool it. It's sort of takes this kind of hand-drawn perspective on sort of dense japanese cities but then puts you in a lot of underground areas. I'm playing as the female character which you use a lot of sort of like psycho kansas. So you're constantly grabbing stuff around the environment and throwing at these just like nightmarish almost from softy bosses and enemies and you level up pretty quickly and you can just dump all your sco points into like more and more stuff that it really feels a lot. More like an action. Game with the trappings of an rpg than like the other way around. Which is probably why. I'm so hooked on it because it's it's less like you know here's long story. Sequences here's a lot of kind of grinding stuff. It's it's very quick moving. And apparently you can finish the whole game in like twenty hours if you just kinda mainline through it. I'll probably do a lot of the side stuff too. But yeah i'm really happy to be like just into jero. Pg again it's been a minute so check that one out. I haven't downloaded and ready around. I just had time to jump in before this episode. But yeah i definitely wouldn't jump into that one max. What have you been up to. What have you been playing. I finished ratchet and clank definitely is. It's hard to play games with the new baby around. But i beat it. I really i really love that game I have basically no attachment to that university of those characters but it still remains like one of the best looking graphically things. I've ever played And i really lose. I think you hit the nail on the head like it feels so good to play. And i think it's something insomniac just really phenomenal at is just an absolutely nailing the moment to moment sensation of playing the game regardless of what you're doing in the game or like and obviously you can't just phone that part in either but like every weapon in that feels different enough and it's totally fun in. Its own way it kind of has this like nerf gun sensibility to it and it. It's it's very toyota can away. I really enjoyed it. And i just i had such a good time running around in that in that world. I'm just really. I'm really happy that that studio is still doing what they do. And i mean. I'm dying to play. Whatever they do next spiderman or whatever else they have in store but like it's such a such a treat Aside from that. I have been Playing wolfenstein two. Which i never got around to when it first came out. But i'm dying to see what like what machine games is going to do with indiana jones. Down the road not that we'll be able to play that on the playstation or anything but you know still thought i check out Wolfenstein and just you know it's still good that right the atomised some. It's it's speaking of weapons. That feel good and i think i might also dip into some older far cry games. I just i feel like. I really far cry. Six has got my attention. And i wanna. I wanna kinda you know. Just get go. Get that get in their mess around. I got the the first two For dirt cheap. They're on sale. And i was a gift. Well why not. I'll you know. I've never played the first one so i'll give that i'm playing the first one to Because they i bought a regret like the first five of them or four of them or something three and a half and played through three. And yeah we i was. I was planning on doing a whole block on far cry last week. Which i forgot to add to the show this week but this this week was packed with news. Anyway but yeah we should definitely get into that max. Because i know we both argues. I desperately want to play more far cry three. Because that's like one of my favorite games. Ever and i already. I think i've started that game. Maybe three times and played through it like one and three quarters times. And it's just like i could check out a different one. I could play something something. I've only played once for sure. We can definitely do a far cry block with you guys soon. Go ahead of sex but yeah yeah moving on from there. I've been playing a bit of chicory. I'm kinda taking it like. It's divided into ten chapters. I've been doing like a chapter a night just as like a A cool down since it's such a relatively quiet game other than a few moments i. I'm pretty close to you brian. I don't wanna spoil them. But i think you know what i mean. Yeah i really intense intense. Things that happened. That i was like. Oh yeah there are shockingly intense that definitely feel of some other indie games. But i don't want to spoil too much but yeah i'm really enjoying it as they like. I don't consider myself like an artist at all. I feel like. I have terrible artistic instincts. But i've liked that. The game hasn't prohibited me from feeling. Like i can still indulge in the painting side of it. And yeah i kind of like. It's one of the few games recently. Where i've just like. I've taken to painting like screen by screen because it's very like old delta to ask because you were saying delight like screen by screen Like the original. It's i. I'll just take the time to paint it in think of like. Oh i kind of want this side to be that color block and then make the trees this detail and whatnot and you just kind of like do it. And it's it's not for an achievement or trophy and not to complete the game. I'm just doing it to do it. And it's like you said adult coloring book. Kind of a nice soothing. Way like that sexy. Yeah adult coloring book with no adult teams. You actually said one of those. When i i will make the breast pink marker anyway so yeah i've been playing that there is as far as i know due to chicory but i've enjoying chicory quite a bit and yeah i've just been playing that i haven't really been playing against because i've been very busy just unpacking or not as you can see from background but other than that i want to before we wrap up. Just give a quick memory. Karston my record of course our weekly segment were you the viewers and listeners. At home right in with your favorite weird wacky happy sad. Whatever memories of your playstation game life and we read them on the show. This week's comes in from shea shea road in with a easter sundays hail from easter sunday. Back in the year two thousand and she wrote my folks did the usual breakfast and easter baskets that they had given us usually with candy and cheap toys knickknacks but we also had an egg hunt sprung on all four of us kids by surprise. We had those little plastic bags. You put candy your money in and hide instead of real eggs because that leads to problems. My parents decided to place those all around the back yard front yard and inside the house all hidden very well. In each egg there was a small piece of paper upon each paper was written a singular letter. There were twenty pieces in total. Once all were found we spent what felt like an eternity not only hunting down those damn eggs but also deciphering some form of or were jumble with my siblings at only eight years old and the youngest. I wasn't much help. But apparently i helped the best i could when all of a sudden dumb the pieces of paper laid out and read playstation and tony hawk and the moment that was solved from behind my couch. My dad pulls out a brand new playstation one. A copy of tony hawkes pro skater. We were all so excited and we played together as happy siblings and easter candy all day. Pretty sure pretty. Sure may running and metal gear as well. Yeah what perfect day. Yeah a scavenger hunt that ends in a video game because normally that would have just ended in some candy but it ended in candy and playstation and our easter bunny. Though he doesn't easily do that kind of stuff is one of my favorite metal gear bosses. Yeah he's normally a bit of a cheapskate. So congrats touche on a great easter hall. Two decades ago. Now jesus but thank you for writing with that story and if you want to write in with the memory coats or you can read into beyond aegean dot com with the subject line memory card and will read them on the show. But that's about it for this week's episode podcast beyond before we go you can find me. Jam doorbuster on twitter. You can find brian at agent. Fizzle lucy atlas o'brien and matt not matt. Max max scoville. Mike at mike scoville. I don't know who that is. I did want to just shut out lucy. We just published a piece about sort of the legacy of the playstation vita. They can go right on. I don't know if you want to say anything about but exactly it's it's it's a really interesting read about how the was basically this big commercial failure and then turned into kind of like a machine for innovation. And it's it's really fascinating because it could have just gone into nothingness and instead it's got this great legacy of like being a game we can play the bist. Indies is a really good grade so definitely go. Check that out. Max anything you wanna poke. Yes this video. I spent a very long time working on finally went up. We launched a new series. Called kid bash creatures. The first two episodes were sponsored by dungeons and dragons dark alliance and they had making custom monsters based on the monsters in that game And it's one of my favorite things i've ever worked on Obviously the the game could have had a better reception. But you can't deny that it's got some cool critters in it. So i'm glad i got to make some of those. Go check that out. It's it's very cool. And also the beginning of every month i put up the biggest streaming wait biggest game releases and the reviews in review from the last month which is all the games all the reviews in one way too. Many games came out in june. I spent way too long on that video. I think the record for like forty eight minutes or something like that and i didn't even do the biggest streaming releases. Akeem took care that for me so if you want to find out what's happening in july. What already happened in june. Go check all those out please awesome. Thank and you're welcome. Brian anything you want to put. I'm shooting big thing today. That i can't talk about yet which so be cool. I think for people who are interested in video games but also there's a couple of things that went up right during e three. The kind of just got trampled by three one. I did a. Let's play of chivalry. Two with max in full costume which is fun. She go check it out and also i built a custom. Mlb the show baseball stadium with rapper. Singer t pain so that was weird but yeah go check those out. They're both really funny. Videos awesome and yeah. You can catch us normally every wednesday at three. 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How Was PlayStation's July State of Play? - Beyond Episode 708

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How Was PlayStation's July State of Play? - Beyond Episode 708

"Beyond and hello everyone. My name is jonathan during bush. And this podcast beyond aegean's weekly playstation show. We're doing live this week to cover the latest playstation state of play. We have a lot of different games to dig into including a very long look at death loop which is only just a couple months away. I'm very very excited to play it. And i just i just wanna get that game soon but we're only a couple months away from that as well as death stranding director's cut and a few other indies that we got a look at To discuss everything we saw. I'm joined this week by brian. Altana what's up beyond. Hello hey let's do it. Good good to see. Also during this week by matt. Kim matt. Thanks for joining us. Hello yeah nintendo voice chat right now. We're live we can't end. It was the switch pro. Yeah we'll we'll get to. The swish led model. Not being in a second but of course we're also joined this week by mexico the number one xbox podcast on god. I woke up the game. I don't even have to imagine the comments because we're doing this live until i'm the record. No of course we're going to be digging into the whole state of play presentation which we just saw about thirty minutes of some upcoming games coming to playstation four playstation five nps vr at not. Of course ps vr. To which just to get into the way of course if you didn't see be playstation blog announcement before the state of play. We learned that the next god of war horizon forbidden west. Nps vr to wouldn't be at the state of play so just to set expectations. We're not concerned about those. Not showing up. We'll talk maybe about what wasn't there. What could have been there. And all that sorta jazz as we go through. But i do want to talk about. What actually was there. And i want to start with death loop because that was the one that got served the murky presentation that was sort of the big advertise game of what was going to be here. We got a nine minute. Look of death loop a little bit more of the actual loop of what death loop is This is of course for those who don't know coming from arcane which is now an xbox own studio but they're making a playstation five launch exclusive for the moment The helpers of course dishonored and the most recent pray deathly. We've seen before it a couple of plays and gotten some very groovy trailers. I think the last of play in march or february whenever that was we got a sort of music video of death loop but this is probably the biggest chunk of gameplay. We've seen that yet Brand wanted to start with you. What what did you think of this latest look. And what are your overall sort of feelings on death loop as we approach it's launch At the game looks gorgeous. I feel like it looks a little bit better. Every time we see it It's aesthetically like kind of Just incredibly fun to look at just because it it really takes advantage of sort of a lot of stylistic decisions got some great sort of energy to it Some some great colors and stuff like that but the game play itself looks fun. The weapons are weird and crazy and kind of vintage sifi which i dig I don't know if i needed to see more minutes of game that like. I'm pretty excited for ready. But also you know This this is. This is part of their their sweet this year. Obviously they do want to give it some love. Yeah it definitely makes sense that we're seeing sort of a marquee one for this. I assume that means we probably won't get one of those sort of like one off state of plays that we've gotten for a few games like horizon and even stuff like destruction all stars that we've seen before but it definitely needed sort of a marquee look at what actual game play. Because i think we've a lot of very as you were saying like really good-looking stylized trailers but showing people with actual gameplay looks like a bit more makes a lot of sense for a show like this Matt i want to jump to. You actually don't know your history or whether you've played past arcane stuff but what did you think of this look and what are you. What are your thoughts on death. Loop in general yeah. I'm really excited for death lou. But i kind of right like. I've dabbled with dishonored and i've dabbled with with prey. But i never they never really kinda like gripped me in the same way that i'm really looking forward to death. i like the powers of cool like dishonored has really cool powers and the story is really great. I was actually just of bad at dishonored. And that was way worse at pray. But i don't know so maybe i might be bad at a this one too but we'll see yeah. I had the same problem. I've tried dishonored one. I want to say three times. And i'm just very bad at it. I just feel like. I'm awful but maybe death will solve that problem because the whole point of it is if you're bad new die what you just start again right down cold dark souls loop exactly Lived i repeat my favorite. Tom cruise. film max. I want to jump to you because we've talked about this definitely a bit before on the show and we were talking during the state of play and we sort of painted in this discussion. But like i'm just. I just want to play this game at this point totally a lot of it. What did you think of this latest luck. It's it's been an interesting game. Because i feel like when they first revealed that they had the cinematic trailer that kind of alluded to what the game play. The the the eponymous loop is actually about but didn't really show it in action and we felt like previous that sort of did i feel like this is the first time where what you're going to be. What you're doing is actually really clicked with me and the thing that made my sort of ears. Perk up is how much it resembles hitman like being able to sort of. You know where this person is going to be at this time. How are you going to off that person at that time at the location and the idea that there's some freedom in how you approach that is cool. It's definitely got some. You know some sort of rogue like souls like a elements to it there. Where i i like that. They said that what is it. Reprise is a is a power up. it's basically a second life. Yes you go back to your. I mean it's it's very souls to be like. Oh there's your there's your glowing corpse go pick up your crap you know. Go go get it out of style twice. It's interesting because the thing that i always loved about that. I fell madly in love with Hitman three earlier this year. I was late to the party on that whole assassination trilogy but like that was so much fun for me and what really i love about. That game is almost how sort of royalty free generic that world is like. It's very it's all very familiar. And this is kind of the exact opposite where it's like you've got wacky superpowers and everything is completely distinct and You know unique aesthetic. And it's i'm curious to see if it does like. I'm kinda like you guys. Where i've tried to get into our canes games a bunch but You know it's it's never really grabbed me. The the funny thing is one of the core mechanics of dishonored as the whole like. Was it like the chaos system. Where more you buy the harder it gets or the worst you know issue in this case. It's almost like hinging on that like it's it's a. It's you're supposed to die here you know. Yeah because the the goal at the end of the day i believe of the game is essentially. There is a number of people. You are set out to assassinate on this island and the whole point is to be able to do it all in one single loop Which obviously you're not gonna be able to do in loop one though. I'm sure i say that there's going to be a speed runner. Who doesn't like day. What the game comes out But yeah i i. It's a really interesting thing. Because all like i've heard such a claim constantly for arcane and i feel like this is the first one and maybe it's just after a year of like haiti's and maternal like it's been a very good time for rogue lights. I feel like finally a game like this might click with me with the fact that it lets you kind of just jumped through and even if you die took you'll get new weapons you'll get. You'll learn more about the area. It excites me in that way. But it's it's an interesting one. I just think at this point. Like i just wanna play will buckle up jonathan. Because i mean i think there's some bright futures playstation and arcane in the years ahead i think so too surely their next game whatever it may be. It's not like it's announced or anything won't be exclusive to another consul thing and just sorta on that note. I did want to touch very briefly on obviously wasn't here but another game when this was before. Of course Bethesda was acquired by xbox at the june showcase last year for the ps arcane announced death lupus aps five launch exclusive come to pc as well and tango gameworks announced gust wire tokyo coming to playstation five in pc as well we have really not seen goes wire in months. I want to say that. That feels like a stream. To where i think tentatively there was like a playstation trailer that dropped. Es then removed the dates of things that like pegged at for an october release. Ruin the sort of place of like bethesda is honoring these two games. But it's sort of like who who decide what gets promoted who decided to when these things take the spotlight like. I'm glad this game was here to state of play. But i don't i don't know how many of you feel it weird case to be where. Yeah who who who gets to stay with dad on the weekends or whatever it right like it does. It does feel like there's you know there's a lot of questions in sort of where the chips fall on this kind of weird custody battle that happened with this massive transaction between two video game companies. But i i hope we say it again soon. i mean if it becomes a multiply platform game so be it. I'm cool with that too. But what let's i feel like that. That's in the hands of lawyers right now. Which are like at least interesting people to talk about on a video cam platform. Unless they're phoenix right. Now i'd actually love to get into a little legal jargon loss jared segue. I'm skipping around a little bit. But i do want to. You gave me the segue. And i have to do it. Lost judgment got a new trailer. This is a game that we've we've seen revealed before it's a sequel to judgment That i like that. They're not just going judgment to or judgment her. I i like the sort of naming convention here. This is of course a. It started as a spin off of the yuccas a franchise but as yakuza went turn based with like a dragon. Most recently and matt. I believe you can speak to this a little bit more. They've sort of discussed. How like dragon yakuza. In general will sort of take on this more turn based rpg sort of scenario and judgment will let them still have their cake. Anita to by being a real time actions franchise. Yeah that was a really crazy announcement that that we were able to work with. So we spoke with negoti son when they announced judgment to or loss judgment into. I like earlier this spring and we were like. Yeah so is. What's the two pronged approach basically with between judgment and the series and. They did confirm to us that. Y'all starting with like a dragon is going to be turned based going forward and now if you want that classic. Rg studio action brawler. Feeling you're going to have to play judgment which is great because judgments great spinoff series. And so i really. Max i to thirty because i i've only played a few hours of judgment. Obviously nowhere near steeped into the franchises. You but like yuccas is our judgment. When i i played at definitely felt more like a a take on like case of the week crime investigation stories at seem to have the yakuza flair. But i didn't get far enough into it to know if it did wash judgment. Feels like it is. It is the yakuza game that you know you would expect. It feels like a kind of separated at birth like you know parent trap switcheroo where you've got the long running series about the the criminals in the street who beat people up and that becomes a turn based game with lots of stats and menus and then the game about a lawyer who talks to people in courtrooms looks for clues as become a real time. Beat him up. This is the main character is yoga. Me who is a former lawyer turned detective basically who Then we'll sort of kind of work with a with a law office to sort of solve mysteries and stuff. But you know he. Because he's not a lawyer. He can hit the street and a leather jacket. Do skateboard tricks. Beat the crap out of people. It's i'm excited about this. The first one was was good. It definitely had this sort of feeling of like them finding their footing. it felt dot light on features but not quite as sort of jam packed with them. Some you can kind of see the jump between games in the series but They had like they have like a little bit of par core. They had like drone racing. They had a You know some some wall running stuff and in this case they're clearly really leading into it and i'm i'm stoked to see kind of what they do with also apparently a sheba you know which is which is cool and he can make a bite people into i. That was a wonderful scene so it was just like the jumps between different mini games. I assume are elements of someone who doesn't know the franchise and obviously you do and brian. I don't wanna miss but you've been recently starting to pick up As well a little bit crack yeah. And i also play the first few hours of the first judgment game. I really like how More sort of vertical this going like. There's there's climbing wall running and stamina meter and stuff like that. I just love how fun these games are at sort of like presenting quasi serious themes but also mixing them with utter nonsense like sheba's and bike racing and stuff like that. That is one of my favorite things i've ever seen. Just like throwing a guy upside into a wall kicking him and then punching him in the belly until he falls on his head. That's great a more game. Should have that. So yeah. i'm totally into this Unfortunately i won't be able to catch up on all of the coups against before this comes out because this doesn't come out five years from now and those games take like eighty five hours each but i'll get there. I promise no. It does come out in september. It's a worldwide launch. And i want to talk about the the various release dates that we saw throughout this a little bit but yeah. I'm really send a jump back in max's. I know we have probably turned this question to you. A dozen times on the show but especially with loss judgment for people who might want to jump in. Do you think it's fine to just play judgment and then go to las judgment or should people be going back. Because i can't speak to it. I mean you could definitely get into judgment right off the bat. There's actually a surprising. Lack of overlap. Between that and yuccas like it's in the same universe but it's not like familiar character will will show up like a dragon is basically a fresh start. If you want to get to the. It's it's really good. I adored that game. However if you aren't familiar with With the series there is some stuff in there where you might get the full full effective it but judgment is you know. It's definitely a newer series. And if you want like a cool beat him up. That's kind of captures that same same appeal where you've got you know over serious main campaign and then completely wackadoo side missions and activities It's you know covers those bases and now there's now there's two of them. Yeah and yeah. I'm looking for jumping into the skateboarding. The boxing and the the racing whatever else oats when key thing yakuza. Like a dragon was the first game to be fully dubbed since the original. Ps two release whereas judgment is dubbed or subbed in. I mean this was the english language trailer But the first one was the first rpg game that they think had english voice acting to. Which is i know. that's that can be. Subtitles can be a dealbreaker for some people but You know that option from what i remember also from the first vr. I thought the english voice cast at a really solid job within as well but yeah this is a. I'm excited to see this franchise continue. I really really need to make the time to get into all of it. Even though apparently some of the games. I think you can just do like a sim in the middle of their and run Can't you run like businesses with became ceo. I became like an executive of like a cracker company and i wound up having a amusement park. That was run by a chicken and a giant roomba. So i don't even like finances but those that you sucked in well it sounds like fun micromanagement in the best way possible. And if you like to micromanage things one game that i loved that you micromanage your weight distribution is stranding because you got to carry a lot of heavy packages across long distances stranding directors coat was revealed a few weeks back at a key. Lease opening night live showcase. I wanna say And we got a teaser trailer for then. That was sort of very metal gear solid inspired but this latest trailer which also gives us release date again for september Let us see a little bit. More of what it's bringing that feels more like death stranding but also not the first thing i just got a point out his. There's a racing game in there now. Think that's the first thing that caught us all completely off guard mrs clearly. This is completely on brand for kajima. This is not. This is not weird. This is exactly what we've seen with like the majority of sort of version one point five's of metal gear games. He's been doing this since metal your solid to where. He was like the big. Shell needs more skateboards on it. And lo and behold he did and the seems like kind of more of the same in. That's in that sense. I'm so glad he got to finish his vision. Without the studio oversight that was all over the original death stranding you know the amount of times it can nami would kick in the door and be like wait. No that was entirely his own doing the other. So my question for this game is do you think. A lot of this content is going to sort of naturally. We've into the flow of the game. No like did you think that'd be standalone side stuff. Not you go ahead matt. You think it'll be no. I think it's just gonna be like you do a side question like hey by the way i just happened to have a post-apocalyptic racing track in my backyard. You should try it out. I i so yeah. Wh what i'm asking is like we'll be able to access it from the menu or is this going to just appear sort of like during a playthrough i think it would be something that appears during a play through but like you'll have to probably seek it out a little bit more I think stuff that like as the trailers playing as we go for those who were watching on video not listening to audio later but the there's a few new extra items that are also very amusing essentially will help you with package delivery and roussel like a buddy bought or a cannon to throw things. My assumption is those will be sort of like naturally peppered in the way that you unlocked other traverse items and things like that. I assume those will just kind of be you know put in throughout because the rest of the stuff but where was my race car in my robot. When i kept falling down that wet hill like those which one there were many in that game But yeah i met. I wanted thirty because he even playing it a little bit more. Recently you to eat play launch but you can playing distracting since then in in a year that felt very distracting. Like what are what are you like. Where were you in the game. And are you gonna pause your playthrough to jump into director's cut like where are you with the new version of the game. I'm i think i'm a. I think i'm like sixty or seventy percent of the way through. And yeah i did start at the beginning of the sort of year in which we were all sort of stuck inside which makes de stranding hit really different right like you going. You're going around this. Let's post buckled the grill. People are indoors or like we can't. We can't leave our homes. Thank you delivery for forgiving us connection to the outside world and was like yeah. I feel that that's a that's a pig mood. But no i'm having a great time with that game and I i don't know. I'm at a point where i feel like i'm close to the ending and so i feel like i kind of need to finish before playing the directors. It's i mean that bad part. If i start. If i was like earlier i definitely would have probably like wait. Wait until september. But i'm so close to the end and i oh my god i kinda. It's a tough game. It's kind of tough game to like restart you know. It's yeah i was just going to say it's kind of feels like a game that makes you go uphill both ways in the snow in some case literally and i you know i finished his game. I ground through it stupidly quickly before it was officially released and wanted to have all my thoughts on at night. I feel like it's the It's the classic seat in matilda where they make the boy. The entire cake in one sitting and i don't think i am interested in checking this out but i really hope there's some kind of safe transfer or like you know go like you played the first game. We see how many hours you sunk into it. You get the car. The cargo catapult from day one. Or like near you are. Here's all your crap on lock. It would be nice if it had sort of a new game plus approach. Because then i'd be down to poke around but you know it's it's it's a weird game it definitely it when it came out. Matt it was kinda stupid and then six months later it was really relevant in syria. So right like for months before it came out Could you most like you know i. I'm really looking at to save the world right now and this is sort of like my my my my thesis on on the current monday civilization and he was just six months early. You know yeah just off by a couple of months you know i really should replay this because since this game came out and i i played it a covert happened and then i had a kid so it might hit real different. Might be yeah. it's i i would say because maximum you're intimating on a little bit like you you crammed this game in and like a very short span and this is a game that i think like works. Best as a slow burn like it is absolutely not a game for everyone. I completely understand the false criticism. People have with it but like my my most entertaining moments of it were like i would go back to it. A couple of nights per rican. Just you know build a couple pieces of road and maybe go to like one outpost and then just drive along for a little bit and like people would give me a thumbs up. And i'd give them a thumbs up like there's there's something nice and methodical to that but as a like a thing to main line and rush this is not a game. It's also like it's a very weird sort of social game in that sense. It's kind of passive social interaction but at the same time you're in this isolated landscape and playing it like prelaunch there. Was you know people were building ramps and doing that stuff and it was all really cool but it didn't have the level of involvement that i think it would have if i'd waited three weeks or whatever you know people right yeah i i don't know if we're going to have to build that entire race course or not. I hope i hope not gonna take a while. What go ahead no i. I think what's really cool seeing like. I feel like kajima is a brilliant dude. And he's got a bunch of weird little ideas and we're big ideas and this is i feel like we're going to get a bunch of his napkin sketches here which is super cool stuff that maybe wouldn't have worked as an entire game weird concepts and designs and characters and settings and themes and stuff like that And just you know weird vehicles and robots and stuff. I i love. I love like when he can commit to something like that as a full game but also seeing a bunch of those small things is great. I mean even if you didn't like this game you can't not be happy for the people who did getting a whole bunch of weird new toys to play within the sandbox. You know yeah go ahead. No you go ahead. Yeah two thoughts one. Sirius one less series but the but first thing is i'm playing straining on right and i think aloud improvements over the ps four version again. Ps five way faster loading times Is going to help a ton for people The ps four low times were a nightmare and My computer can load up after a death in like a couple seconds and i think. Ps five players gonna get same thing and it just makes a world of difference and the second thought is a joke about bloodborne cart. Yeah yeah i like. How could you just gonna make stranding card. Yeah i mean hey if you just need a new car game just put it in an existing game proud yet. It's an interesting one and brian. You're joking a little bit about it earlier. But sort of like the director's cut naming of it. I feel like between this and goes decision. Director's cut is just a thing. Sony is doing and not necessarily like a per- like true to the game because as like as you're saying the whole point of de-stressing was letting kajima have his vision. I on unencumbered by the corporate oversight that you know it was me up in so much economic drama. It's brilliant branding. If you think about sony What they're trying to do with is sort of presenting games as these massive cinematic experiences. And it's brilliant. Branding if you don't think about it for more than three seconds at all 'cause like the directors who made these games may they're continuing to make these games and like this. This isn't really like a a snyder cut situation. Where like they. They locked the studio and they're like don't stop coming in here photo shopping. All the you know the weird alien minutes of the movie and it's also it's a mix of refinements in new additions like the the combat will be improved here but they're also be just new big battles in the same way that like ghost will have a new island to go visit but is also making updates like the the vocal track they. They will have the facial dubbing or the the facial animation matched to the japanese voice tracked. So it's like the. It's a mixture of things that i think makes sense. Director's cut is just a that as you said it makes sense for what position wants you to think of their studios. But it's you know it's there. I mean is honey with or shifts to playstation studios at very much kind of fits that you know kind of like naming convention but i. It's it's also it's it's so much less tacky than like game of the year edition. Which is what we used to get for. This kind of ryan was the this makes it feel like oh this is this is the final version as opposed to like this is the version. That's it's got the quotes on the box in it's You twenty bucks cheaper. Maybe no not really. Yeah rollover batman yes exactly and it's got a garish light. Greatest hits collection yet under ribbon somewhere in the box. Art isn't it doesn't match the rest of your other games. here we go. I didn't see any monkeys. You can pet in a district. Directors cut so ghosts tsushima still has the edge right now but i got we got we should. We should do a comparison because they did. They did not add race cars to go sushi. So there's you know. pick your racing. We don't know that you take you. Take the bad I was going to keep going. But i don't need to reference a fifty year old anyway moving on from there. There were a few other games. That i think are worth bringing up in including. Let's talk about what started the show. Because i think it speaks to. What wasn't there in an interesting way Moss to was was announced This is of course sequel to a pretty beloved probably one of the more beloved. ps vr titles available on other vr. Headsets as well but must to was brand new announced at the beginning of the state of play just for playstation vr. So of course before the show they had said. Ps vr to gen ps vr. Whatever they wanna call. It wouldn't be here so this means that this is probably a little bit closer on the horizon. Then vr to like. I wanna talk about what we think. It means for for the next headset but Moss i thought was a really really charming For the first round of what. Psbr could do. I hope this sequel takes into account like a lot of the advancement some other Psbr games in vr. In general have made but brian would you think about this announcement. I love the first moss. It's one of my favorite. Vr games ever. It's adorable. I think it does really smart things that you can't really pick up on his trailer. Where a lot of the are games. Have you sort of play in first person. Interact with stuff but there's also the ones that sort of let you look down on something as if it was happening in you know a little stream in your backyard or on a table in front of you And the this thing. This game does a really good job of playing with scale again. When you're just looking at here you wouldn't really know. But when you're actually experiencing this in vr looking down on it As as like small miniatures running around on the table. I love that so much I do think that the timing on this is very odd and that has nothing to do with the studio making this game. It looks awesome but for sony themselves to sort of be in that weird window between psbr which is not really a thing that anyone is is seeking out anymore I don't really. I can't even imagine how many of those they're selling every single month right now it's probably abysmally low Especially because it's it doesn't really like nothing about the. Ps five to the average consumer is screaming. You need a ps vr. For this right now you know And then we saw that. We were playstation blog. Thing where they're like. Hey we have the Psbr too is in the works where we can't show it to you yet and so i think it's interesting to like not have an e three press conference have a state of play a month later. Kick it off with vr game. That works you know with your hardware from five years ago. Whatever that uses controllers from twelve years ago and then not have anything to say about your new vr system yet. I just like i. I'm glad for the behalf on behalf of the developers that they gave moss to showcase. That's that's awesome i. It's it felt weird and and an off to kick off the show with a game that you know is a ostensibly on my very last gen hardware at this point. Especially unless enough for say Mistaken not forsake per se unless i'm forsaken by the playstation god's among us No this was the only vr game as far as number at least the only like vr only game and yet. It's a very weird time for vr. Because it's definitely as you were saying like it's five-year-old vr tech using controllers from a decade ago We know there's something new on the horizon. I i just like i really hope. The game is great. But i also can't help but think but what if they were just allowed to take advantage of the are too and that's not to say like they probably can do a remastered version for vr to. I'm sure like look great and play great as you said. I'm really happy for these dubs because it's a great game and can't wait to have more of this world but it's it's a very strange moment for ps vr. So i have. I have a theory there. The first moss was timed exclusive for ps vr. Then came to like quest and vibe and all that other stuff if the playstation vr to is further away than you know maybe we think it is if it's if it's still a year and a half off or whatever and this is also timed exclusive for that maybe the is want to get it out there you know maybe they just want to get out for. Ps four and then eventually it can come to a ps vr. To or whatever but it you know if they've got a time to exclusive exclusivity window like i can assume that the maybe they don't want to wait around for You know for the second iteration. Psbr to show up and right. I mean i'm completely i'm just. I'm you know spitballing here. But no i mean could you imagine them. Could you imagine sony launching new hardware right now like when they can't can't buy their other hardware you can't buy their other hardware like the install base for ps vr was it it was like we numbers Which at the time made it one of the best selling Vr headsets right on the market. But i can't even imagine them being like you know. Let's take the amount of ps five owners right now out there and then i asked them to buy into another three hundred four hundred five hundred dollar ecosystem on houses really weird thing to kick off this state of play with wesley. Yeah i mean like yeah. I was just going to say like speaking o'brien's like super excited like in a vacuum for this game. Very happy for the dubs to be able to have it out there but yet it is a it is a strange marker of what's here especially because so much of this The state of play was focused on the next three months. Like this was really about july. August september for the most part And so to have this one. In here i just briefly. I want to point to ryan. Mccaffrey actually spoke to the developers of this. He's a huge loss. Probably the biggest fan on the team so he spoke to the davos for this announcement and They said one that this the biggest piece of feedback was just that people wanted more of the game. So this one is definitely going to be a larger experience but He asked about espn and they said we don't have anything to talk about regarding action plans at this moment but they haven't announced any sort of release date as well. So it's it's a strange moment for this game and for ps vr. But yeah i. They showed off the vr next-gen vr controllers. Like a couple months back which seemed shockingly early but Excuse me like with console shortage. I don't know how you feel but like with council shortage Shortage all these sorts of things. Like i thought maybe. Ps vr to come in twenty twenty. Two i'm now thinking probably not till twenty twenty three. Maybe right maybe late. Twenty twenty two. It just doesn't feel like the right time. i think i mean. I think the only sense of urgency. I would feel if i was sony that the playstation vr no longer the most accessible vr headset on right now. They've got major competition from the quest and like every year there's no consumer grade competitor alternative facebook keep consolidating that sort of casual vr market. I know i know exactly how to solve this. I can tell this right here. sony bundle. Ps vr to with ps five. And sell it for a dollar. Less than the average scalper sells the average is five and you will still sell. Ps five units. You have a one to one. Conversion rate of anybody pyingyang. Ps vr stella. Santa loan option to for people like me. They're already have a. Ps ps five. That's the only way to do it because they're selling every single. Ps five they make and so if they glue it to something else by that logic. It's got sell to connect in the xbox one could exciting days ahead regardless but yet congrats to the moss team on poly four announcing very excited to play it but yes a very interesting time to be a ps vr owner. Want offing are. Yes i think it would be really cool if they use this game to show off the vr to whenever it happens because we know what it looks like aps vr even even if you haven't played it in vr. I feel like it's a very. It's very clean aesthetics. You kind of get a sense of like what graphically it's capable of if you know the the next. Psbr iteration is a capable of doing way more which obviously it will be that. I think it's a very. It's very easy to do sort of side-by-side graphics comparison of like. Here's what it looked like on the last one. Here's what it looks like on the new one and you can see the mouses hair as opposed to just being sort of a round white shape just to quickly double back also breaking news. The playstation from blog post for strengthening has finally gone up as we're talking and speaking to the safe transfer thing they do. Confirm that saves will be transferable director's cut. Yep that is that. That makes me so much more excited to play that thing. Because i was like i want dip in but i don't know if i'm going to play seventy eighty hours of him but yeah that's a that's a very good time They also mentioned. It will include haptic feedback. Bespoke adaptive trigger resistance Three d audio ultrafast. Ssd loading and then we'll have to Picture modes performance mode with upscale for k. And up to sixty frames per second or fidelity mode in native for k Both with ultra-wide and hd our support. I feel like you'll sense is going to be awesome in this game over different types of terrain and i feel like three d audio for the baby. Screaming is going to be the worst thing i've ever heard. How do you imagine the the feeling in your hands. When you're trying to like wade through that goop gupo yeah right. I i mean could. She made a gameboy advance game or published. One where you had to go outside to charge up vampire killing sunlight gun. So i feel like giving him a thing with haptic feedback is going to yield some interesting results. And i i. I know what it feels like to to calm a real baby. I don't know what it feels like to call him a bb when i'm being attacked by buddy-buddies from down stranding you're going to get three d audio if your kid starts crying like a really bad game to play like my kids asleep migra knee audio but then maybe it's going to be screaming out of the controller and it's going to be the same size speaker. It's not. that's going to be like how they shot the matrix but which just babies crying on the fourth of july matt anyway blown past that just as good a little bit more to they do mention the blog post basically addressing what we just spoke about. It's almost like they're listening The new content isn't simply bolted on. Either it's been carefully woven into the core game experience and we'll be made available through discovery as you play. Most of the content is fairly easy to find. Though there are some bits and pieces that will take some time to find an walk also. Interestingly all of the content from the pc version that was the half-life in cyberpunk dlc content they added we'll be available in the director's cut which is funny So yes so. So you're saves carry over but to experience all the new content you will find it naturally through playing the game so my guess is that basically like if you were starting it up for the first time it will just be woven in but if you are my my guess is like if you are jumping into a late game save. You'll get you know calls to you. That are like oh by the way. Have you checked over here. Something changed in. That area is probably a race car. Driver calls you and then like a speed ramp guy calls. I mean that's how they wove into cyberpunk. Dlc right is that you got an email like hey remember. This old area fast travel there. There's something weird in check thing. And i think it's going to be all stuff like that. I just to quickly bring in Some comments from the community foam knuckles. Said i'm going to give the director's cut. Try just looks really interesting and out of my comfort zone which you need some time so you don't get to stuck in the same cycle of games and yeah there are few things to compare de-stressing to so definitely if you're looking for something a little bit outside of the cycled games. Though maybe not the cycle of life death stranding might be across free paper. Boy yoshi island space. There you go you got you got it in one moving on from there a few things to just quickly mention Seafood got another trailer. This was premiered at a state of play earlier this year as well really cool looking beat them up action game from the makers of. Oh god i just blanked game over. Thank you thank you for that Really cool looking game as we all sort of joked about during the show and an author to you one of the most interesting delays. I've seen every a trailer. Yeah so the whole sort of like gameplay trailer thing shows a lot of different like sort of numbers that are with emotion graphic moving around and then at the end of the trailer through to the release date which we all thought was twenty twenty one and then changed the twenty twenty two which totally sucks like they. They made like a custom animation for a game day. Which i guess is funny like is in you know. In retrospect but in the moment i was like what. That don't don't do that that like i. I really wanted to play this game this year. This is like one of my most anticipated playstation games this year. And it's not this year anymore and they threw a clever animation. Which i felt a little cruel i it was just. It was really funny because it. It's mirroring as you may have seen the trailer. It's mirroring sort of the the agent up because your character every time you die. I believe you're your new characters. A little bit older and so it was mirroring. The like age effect for their transitions. They were using but yeah when it changed. I thought it was going to give us the date and russia's really funny to be like oh they're changing from the year to the end. No it's just a a year later. The release date has aged as much as your character. They should have been like you and then they put your age and then it just gets it. Nonetheless still looks really cool as brian was saying like. Can we play this one. I believe during the premier matt you're saying during the show but you spoke to the developers earlier this year when the game was revealed. A tick a little bit further. People go check that out from a few months back if they want to here. Yeah it's cool. it's a cool game. Developers are very nice people and they seem really you know a lot of them at the studio Learned shelling kung-fu. I think one of their founders is a big practitioner and because he's a big practitioner allowed the other devs like started joining him. And so now. I guess like half the team just practice kung fu in france because of of this game and good for them. So i'm really excited for it bringing people together Moving on from there a couple of the other. Cool indies. That were shown off Jet the far shore which. I believe debuted at that june showcase last year for the ps five as well This is the latest game. From these orden sorcery. Dad's we got a bit of a lengthier deep dive into this one. Max what it. What did you think of this one because you were. I think you're comparing it to a couple of games that that seemed to track with while we were talking. Sort of like flower. Ish was i say i don't know if i would. You say that. I said max but max or matt any of that was there might have been mad. Who said that. I mean it's it. Looks like a very kind of chill spacey. Kind of indie game I i'm kind of getting a tacoma vibes from the crew. You know like the you've got this strange group of characters that i guess you're going to get to know. And then the bulk of the game seems to be flying around in this little hopping jet spaceship. But then there's also first-person shots of climbing ladders. And then you show the crew hanging out eating. I think curry. And it's a yeah. It looks it. Looks definitely like one of those kind of you know a for for want to be blunt about it. Looks kind of like death stranding if you pull the camera back really far faster which seems like a nice kind of laid back experience but yeah. I don't know what this is. I don't know what this game looks like. A sword and sorcery is definitely gonna conventional game in any sense. So i it's you know this. This looks like it could be really interesting. I got real. You remember the opening shots of premier theus where that big raisman withstanding wonderful. I got like that was the only thing that i was thinking. I kept watching this trailer. I see that what if you made a whole game out of those those five minutes of like beautiful nature just that five minutes of really interesting for me. Theus mystery but the movie happen. Yeah we will talk about that. I know yeah. I think this one looks really cool in the pedigree of the studio is a really awesome one. Yeah i'm just curious to to know like this shuttle lot more gameplay than i think we've seen before but i'm just really interested to be like what is an hour playing this game. Look like you're right. It bounces between different perspectives. Different things you're doing in the ship out of the ship. I just kind of want to know what we're going to be doing. You know for a chunk of it. But i'm definitely excited to see more of this one. A few of the other games just to mention that also popped up during the show Arcade again was announced in early access. Today this is from the ill phonic devs. Who if you don't know made predator hunting grounds. This is their latest game. Free of an ip. It's it's not related to any sort of existing establish brand as they make clear in the trailer. It's available in early access right now. Matt i do believe you had brought this up before it happened and then when it happened. some s- platoon vibes definitely in there a little bit one hundred percent. Yeah i've be. You know i mean. It's a multiplayer p. p. ish with colorful goo colorful goo right the the connecting thread. It's a way to between split to this game and stranding there you go yeah it it looks cool. I'll definitely give it a try. It's nice that certainly access. And i believe we can just jump in today. S five so. If you're ps five player you might already be playing that as you're listening to us just very briefly. Want to mention fist aka forged in shadow. Torch is coming on september seventh. that was the to d- bunny game. That looks pretty cool as well We got a post launch plan to look at tribes of mid guard which comes out a little bit later this month. I believe the last week of the month we got word of hunters arena which is a thirty player battle royale coming to ps four nps five in august august third drops and then a few other updates from various other games But i don't want to talk just about overall impressions before we wrap up because we were talking a little bit during the show brian. I guess we'll start with you You know playstation wasn't at e three this year this is their first postie three event Sort of after everyone else has gone. We haven't heard from a we saw the horizon been west. Forgive me state of play right before e three but before that it was the state of play in march or february. What what did you think of this as a like a post e three showing for that. Do you feel like we're just not going to get big shows from them anymore because this felt sort of like a brief check and not like a. Here's everything playstation. Yeah i think you totally just nailed a contractually. Like that makes a major difference. Here is that this is still sort of within. The you know three was three or four weeks ago. So we're still sort of passing anat a little bit right. There was a ton of announcements there. That people are still really excited about. People are looking at john watching the trailers over every single day. And so this feels like not only. Did they miss that party. But they kinda showed up a month late with you know just a couple of a couple of beers in some snacks which is good. You know that's fun. We can hang out but like this. This doesn't really feel like they were part of the big conversation this year And in terms of the pacing on this thing that it was interesting and it had some good ideas. I'm a little bummed that it didn't have a one more surprise type thing But on the flip side ending with death loop means that. If you didn't like it you could have stopped watching. Assuming you also didn't think it'd be like a post credits stinger like everything has now but yeah all in all i mean it. It's it didn't really feel like a big hyped event. It has nicole stuff in it that i'm excited to play It was nice to hear from them. So i won't. I won't complain. Yeah it's a i. I'm really happy at the very least that they set expectations for these. They really seem to have been burned. By the first couple's data plays. And i think putting in like you know we're not doing god of war horizon. Psbr to at this. It helps kind of. Put your expectations in check. That this is not the future of playstation. This is the next couple of weeks of playstation max. Obviously we've been covering a lot of these playstation showcases the last few years since they adopted the state of play model. What did what did you think of the show of rollin. What did you feel like was this. The right i post e-3 move for that. I mean what. If we're going with the the social gathering comparison. I feel like this is less showing up to a party late with a few beers and snacks. this feels more like showing up You skip the wedding. You're showing up midway through the reception and your horribly under dress like this is this is obviously a bunch of really cool games and i think it is good. That sony definitely like you know told us to sort of keep our expectations in check. But it's also just makes me wonder. When are they gonna show the big stuff like they put out a new console last year and then they skip. D three like whoa. When are we going to see some big exciting stuff. I i mean we've got. We got that big. You know that was it. The future of the future of gaming whatever with the big. ps five reveal. That happened last summer which wasn't a state of play that was treated like its own kind of standalone event. So i don't know if we're going to get another one of those that's treated as a much more spectacular sort of tent pole event But you know this. This just felt this was. I mean it was it was it was underwhelming. I say it it was there. There is some cool games in there. But as like a as a just an overall reveal of of new games in the middle of the summer. When i i assume that sony was just sort of sitting on on something and they i mean i hope they are. They put out a new system last. Yeah i mean it was. This was this was. This was whatever there was. There was some cool stuff. But i you know i'm not. I'm not super excited about what about you for. What would you think the show. Yeah i mean. I'm with max like we know they're cool things coming down the pipeline for playstation like we know from last year's event afoul fancy sixteen is heavily tied together with the place asian ecosystems. I'm not worried about about the future but it does seem like there. Is something strange like you kind of we kinda talked about it briefly but like they announced playstation. Vr too but as a blog they sort of showed the controller a couple of weeks later and then they did the state of play thing and they did a separate forbidden west thing it. It feels fractured and it. And it's not sort of the trend that we're seeing right lane intended to wrecks and other third party publishers. An xbox doing this one big show or the next couple of steps playstation sort of just throwing random. Bits and bobs across couple of months. And it doesn't feel great to be honest. I don't know if i don't if it's an intentional strategy. I don't think it's working out for them to be honest. It's it's definitely weird cadence. Because i think like how'd you put this together with the horizon. Forbidden west state of play. You would have had an hour show. That would have been anchored around a really cool thing and i think we'd be talking about it in a different way Especially if like opened with death loop closed with horizon. You have this really big sort of moment. It is a really strange thing and i. I don't know what the kid is going to be going forward. It's it's a weird one. I as i said this covered the next few months but we didn't see stuff like qena bridge of spirits which is coming in august and supposed to be really big. Why wasn't the goes decision announcement here instead of as you know ran a blog post. I feel like there could have been more to we. We didn't see stuff like little little devil inside which was at the showcase last year. That a lot of people were hoping would be out by now. I think there was a leak trailer. That's july or so that people are looking for that. It's been a strange time for playstation. We're we're definitely looking at a lot of exciting things ahead but sort of a very immediate roadmap not a lengthy one so we'll we'll have to continue following these as they happen. I'm sure we'll have more state of place to come Brian max matt. Thank you all so much for joining me for this week's episode as always you can find us. You can find us all on twitter. I'm at jam dornbush. Brian is at agent fizzle. Max is at mexico. Ville and matt is at law of td correct awesome. I haven't had to do it on the show before so But anyway thank you all so much for joining us and thank you for everyone out there. Who watched who tuned in live or if you're watching. 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Fall 2021 Games We Love So Far - Beyond Episode 719

"And hello everyone. My name is jonathan dornbush. And this is podcast beyond aegean's weekly playstation show covering all the latest in the world of playstation there's playstation news there's playstation games. There's a lot to talk about this week. So we're going to get into in just a second but before we do. I'm joined this week. I brian altana. Hey what's up. Beyond on. Brian and special guests joseph marin joseph. Thank you so much for joining us to have you here beyond thrilled to be here having me very happy to have you For those who may not know you. You're the host of the trophy room another playstation podcast. That if you aren't out there listening to you should be listening to one because you can never have enough in your life too. Because it's really great show i. I've been listening since we first of connected on twitter. I you guys put together a really good show but for those who may not know what you want us to give the elevator pitch for the trophy or man so the trophy room is a playstation podcast made by the players for the players where me and my best friend. Kyle talk about the latest greatest in all things playstation each and every thursday. You can find us on spotify. Google play apple podcasts. Wherever you find your podcast surface of choice and we're greatly inspired by a podcast. Podcast beyond we really want to just have a sit down which is two friends in a room chatting about playstation having fun bringing all sides types of different people to the podcasting round to talk playstation. It is one of my favorite things to do each and every week and that is because my co host kyle is possibly the greatest human being. I've ever met. So if you're into playstation alike have a good time every now and again with playstation and all that jazz go check us out on the trophy room. This is very good pitch really thought it was the yorker best through like. Maybe i stop giving up halfway through like he's not committed to this thing. Great jonathan it is worth pointing out that this podcast currently. You're that everyone's listening to it home. Is i believe sixty six point. Six percent new jersey. Yeah that's right so one hundred percent The tri-state area right. That's right. It's very important for everyone. in the tri-state area. No you're at home. You're with family on homes or we have we had right before we started recording very jovial slash heated debate about pizza and best of the pizzas. And we're we're we're in good spirits. That i am starving and it's something in the morning which i'll let you both know and obviously You know it with your permission read. Our producer was capturing a little bit of that so we can post some of it. Maybe we can throw it into the but anyway listen. It's it's a big time in jersey right now because we got many saints in newark coming as right. It's almost like it's it's a little like holiday happening here. i think i've i drove pass satin dolls which was bought from sopranos. Seven million times right. Yeah how many what's the what's really sad about. It started. heart hijack the show. It's right next to a party city. Which is a children's accessories store so it's super weird because it's like you have the sopranos strip club. All the crazy stuff went down on that show. I believe they have a buffet. Have never actually gone in it and it's right next to party city for all of your children's birthday party needs so he gets. Yeah absolutely incredible and yes so for all of those out there in new jersey know that you have family here even if i'm from long island but the only thing i was gonna say was just to to cap off. The new jersey talk was we were in a one of our Igt morning meetings recently and lucy. O'brien of course. Not from new jersey amazon had to pronounce the many saints of newark. And let me tell you when you've never been from or near newark currently newark because not the easiest name to say. Gave her some trouble but it was a very funny moment. She's like oh yeah. Newark was just the thing that i talked about all the time because the newark airport i was just gonna hang actually had a co worker. Reach out to me after that meeting and he was like. Hey i'm just checking in a uk. I heard the way. Lucy mispronounced newark. And i wanted to make sure you're doing right. You took a couple of days off. After that i remember but like it's okay it's just a newark And from my family to go through very difficult for us a very difficult time we'll We'll have our many scenes of newark spoiler cast in the coming weeks. But before we get there other is plenty of playstation news to talk about this week including of course one of the reasons we move the show to record on wednesdays so that we don't miss the playstation plus games for a whole week on and we were rewarded with october's playstation plus lineup Station on the playstation blog posted that starting tuesday october fifth. You'll be able to download these three following games for playstation plus users. Hell let loose repairs five mortal kombat ten at the most recent combat. Ps four and he g. a. tour to twenty-one or ps four as well ryan together last sch- as we've always wanted mortal kombat hitting hitting the links in the middle of hell let loose is the newest game of the group and just to give a little focus of that. Because it's name. I heard in recent months but didn't know what it was. The official description reads this world. War two inspired multiplayer layer. Excuse me title spices epoch. One hundred player battles with a unique resource based artists inspired meta game where commanders direct the flow of battle and coordinate powerful in game abilities that influenced the teams marched victim. He up and tackle enemy combatants online and fifty fifty skirmishes across a dynamically shifting frontline. She was one of fourteen playable roles within infantry recon armored unit types each equipped with authentic buttons vehicles and equipment. That's a lot of industry jargon and their scrub the game. I just said i don't know if this one has been at all on your radar i've seen a few people tweeting about a recently by I i like when multiplayer games like this launching the playstation plus because it gives them the audience that they need built in. But it sort of. I really has not had this one on my radar so i don't know if you've done such kind of various here. Yeah no this. One is absolutely new to me as well. I've heard a little bit about it here or there. But it's something that i'm definitely going to be trying out because it's on playstation five and i'm lucky enough to be one of the chosen few So yeah i'm. I'm actually really excited to check that out because i love a good world war t- shooter because i'm a big history buff so to me. I'm excited for that mortal combat. I can't wait to just get destroyed by the easiest ai. I kind of a bummer. Because that's a that's part of the position collection on right. Oh yeah. I believe in so like i feel like that's kind of a wasted slot for repairs. Five owners I guess if you have a ps four. that's a deal right and there's millions out there if you have a ps five already you one of the lucky few off joseph in a parking lot new jersey. He's a huge scalper which he also it's not very my ten in my trunk right now. No atmosphere babbitt will actually. You're you're sitting on the throne of right now. I feel like that's kind of a bummer. To me 'cause i would've loved to have something else there that i don't already have access through collection but if you have a. Ps four a definitely a coalition. Superfund game what's interesting to me is when these sorts of games come up and just curious to hear your thoughts. The thing that we talked about on the show a lot with playstation plus like man at such a good way to get people a spotlight on games. They may have missed or new games. That you know might be worthy of attention so game like hell loose being in here from the jump. I i get as a game to get people's eyes on it but stuff like mortal kombat tannin. Pj twenty one. I like i. I guess they are good. Inclusions if you miss those games. But mk eleven is the most recent one. That's where the player basic going to be. That's where people are going to have their focus. It's it feels like a missed opportunity of a slot. But but how do you generally feel about like the playstation plus collection playstation plus lineups. Excuse me and honestly. I think they've been really good for the past year if giving me a lot of opportunities to check out some games that i normally wouldn't have like the first one that actually comes to mind is man eater much dumb fund that game actually is. I know our community is super site for plague till innocence. Which i've got to play. But then i've gotten to re jump into it with the playstation version. So you know there's been a few mrs here or there but it's been it's been a couple of bucks snacks along the way get excited. I think this month to is is pretty good again. Like with hella lusa is more playstation. Five owners something to play and then even when it comes to like an k. ten. I did not know that was on the playstation plus collection. And i was just like you know what maybe i'll maybe i'll actually jump into. That game is while. I know like tj is is a series that is ever growing in the two k. Lineup so i think overall i'm pretty satiated burnoff. Yeah it's definitely and bright. We've talked about this a lot. It is definitely been a better year in the last year. Then there was a quiet doldrum year or two where it was kind of like what is playstation plus anymore. Yeah this is probably my least favorite month in a while I think there's some interesting stuff in there but like for somebody who has no interest in golf already has access to mortal kombat ten and hasn't laid hell at loosely. I'll give that one a shot for sure but of the three. I mean i'm thinking about the days where we used to get like four or five games. Now we're down to three one of my already one of them's golf so on though it's not even everybody's golf measure just some people's golf some people the tours cough but anyway that is the lineup that you can offer to next week. Starting tuesday october fifth of those games interested. And you're from plus subscribe. You'll have access next week. Moving on from there though did want to mention Another story that popped up this morning so that we didn't miss it. I am the big news here. Is that sort of another playstation. Acquisition was announced because now playstation studios themselves are acquiring students This morning we got word. that fire. spy I think the newest studio to join the playstation studios lineup announced that it had completed the acquisition of a manchester based studio. I'm probably going to butcher the pronunciation but Fabric games Which is you know shortly after. The irish fight was acquired by playstation themselves. So i looked into fabric a little bit. And they seem to have a They apparently did work with the studio previously on the persistence. Which was i t- Last big game i team to dabble both in vr and horror a little bit to a certain extent so The it seems like they are probably prepping to help. Hires fight with whatever they have coming next and that just sort of ups the number of people this now puts the studio at two hundred sixty five employees which is a pretty massive studio to just gently during the fold brian. I did want to touch briefly on the idea of like well. The playstation has been on this earth acqusition bent that they haven't been for years and suddenly in this year. We've seen a lot more from them. An acquisition like this might fly under the radar. But i i think it's really cool to see such a brand new studio already making moves to further solidify their base We haven't talked about firefight atanas on the show. But i'm curious what you think of. Just like these new stadiums coming in sort of shoring up their staffs. Is that getting ready for his elections. What do you kinda hope to see. You know going into the psi from them in the other acquisitions i mean the the vr hoorah thing is like very very exciting to me is a concept I feel like they are charging is like huge laser beam when it comes to the yes five. Vr psbr to whatever they wanna call it It's gonna take a while to get there right. We've talked about this in the past and the show about how it's impossible enough to find a ps five right now so selling a hundred something dollar peripheral fort is probably the best call right this second. But they'll get there eventually. Those those planets kind of aligned. I like the idea of them. Basically building like an entire army of studios here studios under those studios. If we get more horror stuff more first-person horror sophomore vr herself. I'm very into that. I'm not necessarily saying that's exactly what they'll do. That's me openly asking for that because that's awesome. That's exactly the kind of stuff. I want those experiences. I want in in vr a like. I'm a huge horrified. A huge fan of horror video games. And i love the ourself. And that's i don't usually get scared playing a traditional really open world or a third person. The stuff resident will aid had some like like definitely creepy moments and some cool horror stuff in it but vr man. That's that's that's that's when we get into the change the boxer shorts territory. I haven't put my pants forefoot. Bruno's firefighters be the first team the first time for everything. Yeah fires fight challenge. make us. we'll see you in a few years for whatever game justify. I'm curious theatre from you. Both i guess on the horror side but just in general on the on the acquisition side of things. You thought about all stations. Recent moves this these moves. He's really interests me. I i really like the the relationship playstation seems to have with these studios before the their acquisitions and when i see this one with fabric. I'm saying fabric. It's faa b. r. I k. I assume there is some sort of vowel pronunciation item butter in there. Well then people have that studio eight my fault lanes bush. It's that's a really interesting one. Because i know you know from from a little. I know this industry. I know sometimes does like the partner up with each other on projects to push certain ones along the way House mark i know has a buddy studio that they kind of have a buddy cop relationship with when they're creating their game so to me. It's like okay so they have a really tight knit relationship and they're kind of wanting to solidify that even further that's exciting and when it comes to what fire spreads actually making. That's the other thing it's like. Yeah this could be. You know some vr stuff or you know some big multiplayer thing because playstation seems to have that little bit of an obsession with a as of late and yeah that really excites me because as a ps owner and someone that loves that tack. I feel like as years go on if you like. It gets and less loves so much. So that's kind of. It's kind of like evita situation where it's collecting dust. So i would love to see them. Have some type of element horror game In there and as a great son that i am. I know i'm going to put. Vr goggles on my mother and she's going to have to play hard really great son. I did that with her in the kitchen demo and it was the funniest thing i've ever seen in my life outta that you have as right there for you. That's perfect. I know. I totally get where you're coming from and brian to your point as well what what cool i think about what i did with. The persistence is originally was for it. Came out in vr but they did make a version that you can play out of. I would imagine most likely i would. I guess brian. I'm curious to hear from both of you but like that idea right now. Brian as you were saying asking people to buy one hundred dollars more a couple of hundred dollars more attachment when they can barely find the council in the first place is a big ask so i i wouldn't be shocked. If a lot of the vr games. We see as cool as they may be in vr. Have some possibility in you know non. Vr i guess to screen space because the end of the day. You need to be making sure you're making games for at wider audience too. I think you nailed it. Yeah that's actually hadn't really considered that too much. I just keep sort of in my brain Thinking that pse are two games will largely be yard to exclusive right. I mean we saw stuff like batman. Vr there was a bunch of other games around launch. That were sort of Adjacent to that console or you know peripheral and made you want to buy it for that reason. But i think when people think about ps vr. One of the most memorable experiences have is resident evil. Set right and that's a game. That was awesome on every console. First person horror game revitalize the franchise in many ways and also if you played it in vr. Gotta change the boxer shorts like it's just no end bruce as back sardonic. You don't put we on that bryan you've brought it up guys. Keep talking about this. I don't know how to get you to stop you. You keep talking about putin the pants. I'm just really trying to calm everybody down on anybody should poop it personally unless you have to do it. You know. go go for if that's the thing no judgment. Just don't have time sometimes. Busy right i will. I will say you're starting to get a little bit. Like lucy mispronounced newark. So just just let us but just before we move off at the. I'm just curious about like your hopes. I from what you're saying. I assume you're a bit of a fan. I love so many of the the original games that were made for truth. Astronaut rescue mission can go on. But i am curious if like do think they will try to focus mainly on. Espn exclusives or games can live in both worlds. I think they're gonna try to focus on things that could live on both worlds because when they're when you're looking at what your if i'm playstation i'm looking at what the competition's doing with their studios and consistently trying to churn out a massive game either every quarter or every other month. It's like well we. We can't not do that as well. We have to ramp up and while at the same exact time support to these pieces of hardware. So how do you do it. And i think ryan either. You hit it out of the park. It's it is with those hybrid experiences. I though don't wanna lose those specials experiences with like a ghost giant where it is in vr. And that's what makes it so special or even like a moss or even about where these games if played outside the vr headset. There are really good platformer but the things that make those game. Special is the vr element. So that is the one concern that i do have with. If this approach is really the one playstations going for his. What are the experiences. I can't get anywhere else. Because if i could get get you know. Whatever their experience on playstation. While then. I don't really need the vr headset. So what's that thing gonna push me to it so no and you know what's interesting with that. I think it a point. It's it's tough to tell when you play a game built for vr but you played in non vr mode just how great it will be in vr until you try it yourself and it's hard to get your hands on something like that you know nowadays especially It's i believe it was like one in twenty years four owners auto pse vr. That was like one hundred. Fifteen million total units sold on of beijing for total as across a multiple skews. And then it was only like five six something million total sales of ucr. And that's like that's that's a pretty low attach rate but one of the things that they did note was at the people that did buy a ps vr off a ton of software. Which is you know. I think they can offset that and so part of that. Is you get people in the door. And they want to start spending money on south. I know i did the same thing. When i got an oculus quest i was i went in. The store went on a shopping spree. You do that when you buy a new console right you. Despite a bunch of launch games. Kind of go crazy. Like i remember when the sixty four came out i bought four controllers yemeni launch morton for controllers on the end sixty four zero. Yeah i just. I like i'll get four colors and then i can play mario sixty four levels with the yellow on and then switch over to the green one There's no reason to do that. But people just kind of go into a buying frenzy early on which is a smart thing to do to how all that stuff available as a playstation fog media remote. Yeah yeah. I have an apple. Tv there's no need or you just had to do it right. Yeah yeah. I i had. I had that preordered. And then i was. I stopped myself. So what are you doing double down. Yeah i watched max's on boxing videos like yeah i've seen enough. I'm good yeah. It's it's one of those things. I am very curious how they end up Pricing it in sort of what their their rollout of stuff will be. Because i think that'll make a huge difference because the the vr space is in such a different place than it was. When i came out especially with the proliferation of brian as you were saying quest as a standalone thing as wires free and obviously they're saying like this will be kind of wire situation cut. It's going to be really interesting to see how they price point it. And i think also how future proof the technology is because as we've joked on the show. The vr is using controllers that are for three now like three generations ago. It'll it'll be very curious to see what they do with it but yeah once once we get a bigger sense of what looks like obviously be talking about it on the show and i'm glad these studio seemed to be gearing up to support it in some substantial way. Moving on from there though did wanna talk on just another quick news topic There was a brief brief. I should say other was a pretty lengthy playstation blog post about how a guerrilla games is evolving a loy for horizon forbidden west Comes in a design area attack area game. Play sort of all across the board. They talked about how they're adjusting things. But there were a couple of quotes from it that i just wanted to read that kind of sort of leaned into the idea of like okay. This is across generation game. How much pushing things will the. Ps vr players be hind. Look air so just to quickly quote from that blog post. Each generation of consoles brings extra power that lets us. Add even denser polygons or character models. So he can create finer details such as each fuzz. Smooth contouring or finer extra texture. Excuse me details. An accurate material expression and not only do visual aspects benefit from the new hardware. We've also increased the number of skeletal joints. Do bring our deformations and facial expressions to a whole new level for more credible embers of character performance. All knowledge dream come true for both players and developers but the block post went on to say just because the team has been pushing the boundaries on the. Ps five version doesn't mean eps for version will be compromised We actually developed and tested game the game simultaneously on both yes for ps five because it was very important to us as a studio to ensure pius for players in equally immersive experience with our knowledge from horizon zero don. We knew that we still had some unexplored resources that could push the realism and quality of character assets forward. It's great to be able to tap into that knowledge and experience for the sequel so to start off on i guess first part of that Brian i'm i wanted to sort of put this in context of like for a long time leading up to the vs five weeks. We talked about an tom marx. Wrote i think a pretty great Op ed about this last year of like. Don't expect the biggest graphical leap with nexgen immediately. Like that's not what we're getting out of out of next gen and i think it's it's talking about things like this like such small little things that you probably as a player don't always even notice or things you wouldn't know her in there but things like skeletal joints being added and things of that nature to allow them more flexibility in their innovation everything. It's a very small minute detail. But i imagine it goes a long way behind the scenes. I'm curious what you think about like hearing about these. Things is like the big ways. They're able to adjust games going forward. Yeah i mean. They're they're treading interesting. Kind of thin line here. Because there's there's been a lot of debate from playstation fans about whether or not you know these studios should be supporting what is now seven eight eight nine year old hardware. This this is like the. The the is archaic system that said No one played horizon. Said god this game looks like crap like no one. No one did that right because as one of the most beautiful game for made. Dlc is even prettier. I i still think about like you know running around in the snow there and watching the sort of the big Sort of deform. As i stepped like there's so much amazing stuff going on on the hood. That's it. I can't wait to play that game on. Ps five. I've noticed to put that game on ps four Hopefully more people can play it on five at the time it comes out so it's it's kind of difficult because they're they're telling everyone you know you have to buy this new system if you want to see the best do but also not forgetting about you in the past. It reminds me of a lot. What hbo. Max is doing right now. Weirdly enough every one of their marketing. Campaigns is like seeing on the biggest screen possible but also please subscribe to hbo. Max where you can watch it on your phone. That's every commercial for dune suicide squad every all the big sort of like a day in day home release and big theater things like you got to see it in the i max is all these these things being like red doubt your entire town projected on the moon and then at the bottom of their lives. Please get max like they don't wanna leave their entire audience behind here on. Ps four. there's you know like we said before hundred million even more than that he has four is out there in the wild. I imagine that number is going to go up even more around black fire this year and so they don't wanna leave that audience behind You know santa monica's doing the same thing with got war. It's really tough to walk that balance of telling people you gotta get this new system. If you want to see the best you can possibly see this game. But also we didn't forget about you know hundred something million plus he has for owners and so i understand the the sort of disconnect and the debate here is a lot of playstation. Five owners are ready to move on and they just want they want. They think that the last june is holding back the next gen and gus. The developers have constantly started reiterate. That's not the case. I don't know if the audience will ever fully believe that right because we don't really know everything happening under the hood here. I have no idea how they made anything. We're looking at right now. Magic to me and source lizards But that said. I'm i am glad that they are sort of doing this right now. It does again fly in the face with sony said early on of we believe in generations. But i'm hoping that the bridge ends in twenty twenty two. I'm hoping that we get the we get the we ragnarok we get You know the the next rising game and then we move on right and then we can kind of. Leave everything behind it. Sounds like spider man and wolverine those games. I think they're gonna leave the last generation behind if they're gonna go fully forward in action only and that's a that's a good place to be eventually the kind of like older ripcord but that's the system still impossible to get right now so i don't think it's the worst thing the world they're making these big games accessible to millions of people. Yeah and joseph. I do wanna thirty. I think one thing friends that you were you were just saying that was really interesting to me to think about when it comes to that cross generational thing is and i'm not saying that like this is a definite but when you think about these two games in particular god foreign horizon guerrilla made ills channel fall for launch and then horizon two thousand seventeen and deal sea and then was pretty quiet for the rest of the generation. God of war. We got in two thousand eighteen and before that after santa. Monica was pretty quiet for that generation. Were getting both of these games at the very start of the. Ps fives life. And he has five has a life cycle. That goes for as longer near as long as the. Ps four chances are we're gonna get at least probably one more game from these studios obviously their studios that mind taking their time. They absolutely should take time. When it means better health for their employees and them getting to create the nation they want to but it gives us more potential. I think than we had a last generation which is also one of those reasons where people are like. Oh but it's holding it back. It's like but we're just at the star like you as you said they're not going to ignore the hundred us million people who could potentially by this game or the ten million who could And i get that. But i do think there's so much more to look forward to but joseph. I'm curious what you think of this sort of like generational bridging or that were in. It's a reared one. And i think yes. Sony is going to constantly fight this battle. Because i think they open their mouth way too early way too soon when it came to. Yeah we believe in generations and that is a fight that i think you're always going to kind of lose. Unfortunately until yeah you you draw that line of demarcation say no more for ps five games. This date i do think spiderman is that But yeah like even even with that said scheme looks gorgeous alloys model x. Insane like you can zoom in and you can see the peach fuzz honor cheeks like. It's it's insane the level of detail that they have on her character model alone so for me. Yeah i'm gonna be honest and say right off the bat when i saw more place for. Ps five cross games. I was disappointed. Because i listen. I have no idea how and what it takes to develop a game but when you tell me you know we believe generation so then all of a sudden your actually. I do get a little disheartened. But as i've seen throughout this past year anything like you know. A miles morales has shown that no even if this game is cross generational it's still going to be a really impressive experience so for me you know. This is a ps four ps five-game. Doesn't bum me out one bit because even with these two versions being out there you see it every month on any chart right. Mas morales is still on. That number. Five lists should five continued to sell out. So it's not like you know. We're there's playstation fives on. The shelves. just started to get those in so it's nice to see that. Yeah people really just want that true nexgen experience and it seems like even with caution ration- games it's still being driven there. So yeah it's i think you're totally right there in both of you really sort of spoke to it. It's a strange situation that they got themselves in. I do not think it would be such a sticking point. If sony just hadn't said things so definitively what us in this market situation we'd be in a very different like i think explanations would go a lot more with the audience like the audience would have Kind of gelled with it a lot more had those things not absolutely yeah. The reality of the market and how much games cost to produces. You're not gonna leave the potential of ten times. The number of audience could buy the game Just off the tape. So i'm really still excited for both. Those obviously will be covering them a lot in the month to common especially when they come out next year but before we get there One less news story before we get into games. We've implying. I do just want to briefly. Touch on there was a Last of us day celebration this past weekend Teela day orderly outbreak day. But you know sensibly. They stopped calling it that after the world through its own pandemic out not day. We got a little bit of a tease. Were playstation was essentially. A were still working. Naughty dog was like hey. We're still working on our multiplayer project. It's still happening so don't worry about it. We'll tell you more we can say more and the other big thing that we saw was the first image of the austin. Tv show that action. We'll get to the last of us. Tv show in a second. But i do want to start with you because you did put in the run of show. Joe has a few things to say about the moment. Two hundred so i do. I do want to here. Yeah first off. I loved factions. It is so it was so good. It was one of the defining moments going into the playstation. Four for me. Where for months on end. That's literally all. I played and when i talked to some of my xbox friends about there really. Is it really that big. And i'm like no absolutely was people loved their experience with it and so going into factions to the one thing. I really want to stress. Here is this needs to be free for people that have lots of us. A partout I think more so. This game needs to be a more than just playstation four and five. I really do you feel like this thing needs to be out on. Pc as well and that goes for any way station multi-player experience because to me as much as factions is amazing. You're going up against what is probably the most competitive area it's ever been in. That's the multiplayer reno when he got the likes of you know your fortnight your apex legends and all that this has some competition in a in a in a mountain to climb so to me the best thing playstation do is really put it up on as many there's words platforms as possible because i i want that thing to grow. You think it should be free to play if they could. Yes that's kind of where my brain's been going to. And i know that's like those are key words right but that that's where we were mentioned before about. Ps vr and like how it's the markets in a very different situation right. Now it's like you just said the multi-player markets in a very different situation too. And i don't know that a multiplayer only spin off to a for me beloved but too many divisive sequel coming exclusively to a next gen council. That still pretty hard to find. An i imagine still will be pretty hard to find by the time. This thing comes knowing what we know about chip shortages of his crew I i'm kinda with you. Hear a i i think that putting this on a bunch of different platforms and boosting that player base. Getting a bunch of people in the door. That's how you that's how you make a hit multiplayer game right. All the games you mentioned before are successful. because they're easy to jump into they They are accessible on multiple platforms. Sometimes you in mobile not saying that. That's what playstation should do here. But you know getting getting this in more places the better right and figuring out a way to sort of like really. Make us enticing. The thing things you mentioned You know. I think about it for night and apex. Those are those. Are you know over watching. Even suffer gut last of us is really violent brutal. Like i think that's where it can kinda set itself apart. From some of the competition it's got it's built on some truly visceral just bloodthirsty kills and next napping and you don't bash do from the heads Like just very guttural just cut people open blood shoot. Never that's i think a gift and the curse right because that sets it apart from a lot of sort of like free to play multiplayer nonsense. It's out there and also maybe moves a lot of children out of out of the scenario. Although they'll find a way to sneak in iowa's did came to watching our stuff for plenum rated cell phone. I wasn't allowed to fit. Like i walk down a highway new jersey to by the original mortal kombat and mortal kombat to when it came out. I'm after saving lunch money. I was a child and you know someone told it to me so evil. Get into matter. What but. I think that that's a good way to separate itself as soto. Here's his ultraviolent multiplayer game. It's different than your four nights. It's different than even your halos and stuff like that. And so i think that that's a smart move but yeah it's it's going to be tough for them to find an audience there if if they don't make is as accessible as possible to as many people by putting it on multiple platforms by putting it in the hands of people Maybe making it free for a little while or something like that. So yeah it's it's an appeal battle and i think like the interesting thing about this story is. He doesn't seem like we're going to be playing this game anytime soon. Like it seemed to live further away than i thought it was. I thought this was going to be something that was gonna be around the launch last of us to which is now a while ago and then got pushed. No doesn't sound like it's ready yet. I totally expected a year. One sort of he has five surprise. Type italy's where it was like. Hey we have one more thing for you as going into you know maybe there will be sort of like an alpha or a beta or something in the next year or so but i agree with you. It does feel like it is further out than i would have thought because they probably have teased an art asset or the name or something here and we didn't get anything to that nature and and maybe they're just trying to keep things really close until they're ready to show it all some developers to prefer to do that obviously but yet were really space with it and justify totally think you're right like getting this to as many people as possible as a across platforms or whether it's free to play like whatever they do is the way to set it up for success at this point. I mean halo. Infants multi player is going to be free to play at his absolutely the the xbox multiplayer to play the reason they want you to probably get an xbox series x is principal and not that the last of us multiplayer will necessarily be the reason to get a ps five for many people but it could potentially be such an awesome experience. You're saying joseph like actions was so good and to think like just the additions of what was partout. Mechanically did for stealth and a and things of that nature like. There's a lot of a lot of potential there and so it would be a missed opportunity to knock it into as many hands as possible to ensure its because i think the thing factions had against it was that it kind of was ignored because the last of us was so focused on the single player in its marketing in the know in the celebration of at year's end awards and things of that nature actions kind of unfortunately got forgotten despite how good it was In the wider few certainly people loved it but and if if there's a game to take notes off of it is actually halo infinite and to see how they're rolling things out with that free to play structure and seeing how they also handle things like battle passes. If i am naughty dog and they're economists that they hired. I'm taking this. Sit back and jot down notes and seeing what what happens there because yeah mistakes are going to be made along the way and you kinda wanna wanna make sure you're going in at with the most paved road as possible so these multiplayer experiences. I also think that one of the sort of the dots. We haven't connected yet right here. Is that the. When the show launches its going to reach an audience. That game never reached right. It's going to reach the you know casuals but it's going to reach people who watch prestige. Hbo television and they're going to get hooked on it. I think people burned out on walking. Dead and i think the last of us presents a world. It's different there in terms of sort of zombie. Jason stuff and i think that it's going to be a hit show and i think naughty dog will need something day and date to capture that excitement and fervor around the show and to have a video game that people can access. Whether it's you know. We read the rumors a couple of years ago or a couple of months ago. actually about Sort of the last of us remix tweak. If it you know. It's two years. And i think it'd be very hard for them to have something present there. That's that's how you solve the problem of. How do you get an audience to play this game halo i. They've dabbled in television experiments before. But this is this is going to be a big. hbo show. And so. I think that's a really cool thing to to go. Watch his show. Go os based on a video game. Oh there's a video game right here. I completely free to play great amend and they try I think that that's a huge sort of way to bridge the gap there An and boosted the numbers on on your multiplayer game. it frankly your average multiplayer. Experience doesn't have a big procedure. Hbo show to back it up. So i think there could be something really cool there if they if they can align the planets and the game is ready for. When the show's ready. I know that's not how game development works chose. Don't notoriously get delayed. The same reasons aims. Do you know like pedro. Pascal is not gonna get stuck in the geometry for a couple of episodes and they'll have to delay the show for a year. he might. I watched that they actually do need to do a patch update to patriots. Firmware should delay the chauffeur and actually they did have the delayed a week because he was stuck in craft services in the table. Yeah his jacket. Textures did not pop in time for the. Yeah those are those imax cameras that you just to briefly touch on that. Of course there was read. I don't know if you have the image. But there was that first image of the last of a show. Which i i more than seeing the image itself. I enjoyed the rumor-mongering about it. That came out after. I don't know either of you caught this. But essentially people are like. Hey last us. They happen and there wasn't really any big news in the morning. It was kind of just like here's some of the merge that we're doing here's an and it's cool stuff. I think it's a bit much to expect. Like brand new announcements every year from a single franchise but he will seem to want to know a little bit about what. The future of the last of us was hours later randomly in the middle of the night on sunday. Here's the first look at the last and it was this behind the back. Image of elian joel Looking out at sort of an abandoned abandoned a a sort of barren hill There was a sort of crashed Airplane believe it's an airplane crashed airplane there. It is for those watching the video version off in the distance. And that's pretty much it i. I don't think we need to link like too long on this. But brian just quick fought for me. Sure does look like the last of us. It does I remember the last time. I saw like an image for a movie or tv. Show that made me want wish up on the joystick and just walk into it. Like that's there's something very special about that and again this is you know Territory that we all know well but the show runners and writers have said that they're going to deviate from the source material bit here so i think that's really cool like at the very least. This is an awesome to introduce an entire new audience to to a story. That's really great. Maybe you don't like last. That's on you whatever but If not then for people like us who played those games. Think of this is sort of like an alternate retelling or drc or something like that like this supplemental content for something that we love and for other people. It's an introduction into this world. That i think we can all agree whether or not like all the stories go i do this is this is. This is a place like this is not a great place. It's a terrible place with this is this is an awesome place for a story and there's really really cool stuff happening in this world and i'm excited for it. This is this is spot on is looks like i want to show to look so. I'm in in in brian. Don't apologize for like in the last part i won't i won't yeah those twelve people on twitter saying i feel like i have to like every opinion has to be by this impenetrable circle of making a force field so i can say to myself like i like this. It's okay if you don't like it. The thing is that to get into this again here. We got recorded. The thing about the last of us to is that there are people who have legitimate qualms gripes with the story and they unfortunately get lumped in with like you know garbage people to and that sucks because i think the last jedi is the same situation there to serve fried political minefield ryan. I'm here to tell you. I don't like the last jedi. I and i perfectly fine with you like that's okay. That's okay. But i think i think with all those things. There are reasons to like it. There reasons to not like it and there are people who are like mad at it for like very stupid reasons. And all of that gets lumped in together. And i think that's unfortunate but i think the show is going to do interesting things. I think the show is also going to divide people who like oath games because it's going to do new things there too and that's okay as well. I don't wanna wanna one retelling of something. I've already played so. Bring it on. Yeah no sign of for me. I just thought for the casting. It was just this. This is a joke stole from twitter by the way. Is this very brave choice to cast. Chris pratt is ali. I just thought it was very brave. But it's really interesting honestly to take a look for the most part. People are really pumped to see pedro as joel and as a hispanic. I'm very excited to see hispanic play one of my favorite characters in a video game but it's awesome to see people for the most bark and he gets them toxic people in their go. Oh my god pedro's in here the mandatory himself he loves. Fetch quests. Let's go. Let's do this. And you get the opposite response when you get the announcement of like chris. Pratt being mario because when it comes to pedro and when it comes to this the cast they've got for the last of us. They have such range to them. Like patriot can be the action star. You've also seen him in serious roles as well. And so when you take a look at bella ramsey as well like she performed so well on game of thrones. They kept giving your scenes because she just kept eating among so for me. This screen shot. Give me exactly what i needed to see. Which is what. I would think it would be in a tv production right in front of me and i'm all in man very excited totally bryant to your point earlier if like wanting to push up press up on the control stick. When i saw the back of pedro in that shot i was like. Oh my god. I have seen the back of dole's head and torso so much in my life and van. They really captured that out which was like such a weird specific thing. Obviously when people watch. That's not going to be the important part man. It really did get that good. And so i appreciate that. The the first look was a video game. Ask screen shot. I think to help bridge the gap people but yet really excited to see that. I guess we'll be starting to cover movies and tv on this podcast because we've got more a station. Tv shows and movies on the way but a twisted metal show. Anthony mackie yes. We've got that we've gotten goes to see shimon movie last of us. I can't wait for ape escape reality show but until we get covering all those. Let's talk a little bit about the games we've been playing before we run out of time and just i do want to start with you. I know you a before the show. You've jumped back into death. Stranding have yes Came out last friday. i think it was. I forget how dates work So this is of course. The director's cut version. That kajima wishes wasn't called the director's cut version but is a director's cut version Ads in while the of life update some new items Some new missions in their erasing many games sort of sorts in there. Just how did you approach jumping into direct. Oh man so for those of you. Who don't know does she. Ending is my first. Kojima game. Average jumped into i dove in because for me i was a wee little talk in the ninety so i never got into metal gear. It just never caught me at the right time by the time. Like four or five came out on mike. It's four or five games deep. This is a lot i'm intimidated. So distracting was like perfect. Get to see. How weird kojima is i get to you know. Go into this universe completely fresh and i get it kojima zone weird man. But i appreciate all the weirdness that he throws and for me as someone who's enjoyed the game more for its actual gameplay than the story itself this director's cut actually didn't kind of entice me too much. Because i actually like industrious. That i'm not. It's not always shooting shitty bang bang. I'm causing all types of explosions. It is just more of a tranquil experience of plotting out your your map going from point a two point two point z and even on playstation for pro where it was beautiful here on place asia five. It's absolutely gorgeous like the draw distance and the details in the draw distance. It's one of those things that i love and video games. Where devs do something and it breaks my brain. How did you do that. that's wizardry. Yeah this game looks drop dead. Who are just. And i think for me when i was jumping into this game. There is one part. I needed to see for myself. Which is chapter six chapter eight where you're in this tundra and blew my mind on playstation four where it's just like it really felt like i was in this blizzard like i was getting chills and so jumping into place five with ten percent and the three d audio and all that it just it just sounded incredible and with the haptic features. It also feels pretty darn good though. I do have some gripes with the dual. Sound support like kajima. You're weird dude yet. Weird with the dole sense. And i feel like a lot of the times he he played it safe there but for me. I didn't get to dive into a lot of the extra stuff because the shooting again. Does it really impress me much. But i wasn't able to because man the way you you cross jen. Savviness appears four. Nps version of the game is Say it's a lot. Yeah you brian for And for those who don't usually have to go in game and deliver your save to yourself. Yes so You have to make sure you don't have other deliveries going on you have to kind of situate- yourself specifically in the game To get things where it needs to be in order to up that safe you know what as as an outsider. Who won't play this. I appreciate that level of frustration. I feel like that's very on brand for a kajima and be this game. So i also understand why that would be a pain in certainly not out of stuff but a step but does of i totally there with you. I jump back into my like endgame. Save at the final chapter just to i. Didn't i loved building roads in that game and genuinely really really enjoying that section of the game. But i didn't really want to just rebuild all my roads all of a sudden. So i wanted to be able to jump into the little bells and whistles that were added. But i'm i'm with you. I think the shooting is the thing that i like. The combat is the thing i cared about offering strength and it was the expiration and the the building of structures and the giving likes to people so that our structures were mutually benefiting each other and things of that nature. And i like if you didn't enjoy that experience in in the base game. I don't really think the director's cut well. Demonstrably change all of that again. I didn't start from the beginning but i. I like those additions. I do think there are some cool. Things we're seeing like. The catapult catapults is really cool and silly. And i love it. Yeah some better support skeletons. In ways to bring more stuff with you at the jump rap to which i kind of had to really get the hang of how it properly jumps jumps you that. There are some additions that definitely help that. Oddly soothing grind of delivering packages that. I enjoy like if that was. You didn't connect with. I don't think these things will make it more fun for you necessarily but i didn't. I do think it makes it a little bit easier for some people who who maybe had some some difficulties with The delivering capabilities or some of the limitations there. And like you said. I think i think for what it is as a game that was essentially a remastered to the ps five and not a game built with the dual sense in mind. I think you know. The feeling of the the rushing river is goes by. You feels pretty great. It's directional and things both from the sound end the dole sense. But you're right. It immediately made me think. Of like i i hope. Could you might make some other playstation game. I know there are talks about him. Partnering with xbox hope he makes another playstation game. I want to see him get real weird little sense like he seems so perfect young and i do want to just say shout to game that has predicted what we're going through in this global condition that we find ourselves in because at times. I'm playing this. I'm like this is hitting close to home. This is really like door. Dash in a post apocalyptic situation amazon just delivered twenty nineteen save file. Today i have to install that i there were those city getting hit by the hurricane and seeing like there was a viral twitter video where like adored ask driver was going through the just entire servants. Like oh yeah. That's kind of what you do. Norman redesign this game off so it is. It is scary impression in that way and it is interesting to revisit that world and you. I don't know from going to spend quite a long time with that game. I think i've spent like sixty hours. I don't know if i'm going to spend another sixty with it. But i'm enjoying dipping back into it for for a little bit for Moving on from there joseph. Anything else that you've implying that you even drawing particularly on a shutout shoutout akina man. This game just punches above its way constantly through. Its visuals. how how you can see. They love the themes and the tone from legend his own mature as mask. And you know. I was listening to last week's episode when y'all talked about their their short film that they did with majority asking how it plays with that tone. I actually think of of of what i without going to. Spoilers the tones of mature as mask in this game and how they handle it just even better. I really love the little story that they're telling here and just the musical score as well is so legend is outed in me that i was like am home this this. I'm reminded like i'm transported back to when i was nine years old in the gang water temple. It's it is just such a great experience. So if you are playstation five user Is definitely like a musket. Must by just for the habits and will alone welfare little indie game which i feel like indies have out used that haptic or the adapter triggers. All too well hearing the little creek of the bow. God bone arrow arrows. Definitely gonna be. I think a common way. We see the triggers us. But this probably is my favorite so far of like a trigger. Pull in that way. It does really the tension of it works really while the reverberation of it is is is very well communicated through the tickets. It's really impressive Brian have you gotten a chance to play. More cannot a little bit more. I so screwed up and i Decided to like show this game to my toddler. And she's obsessed with it. But i also don't play unless she's there now so i've i've kind of handcuff myself to her schedule tiny but i try to make it like an experience. We share together so even though it does get a little dark and scary at times. But i'm still chipping away at it. I got sidetracked by some of the games that we'll talk about in the second but his man it's been another giant week video games. I don't know when people are a supply everything leasable. Yeah and it's our job to and i am struggling to find all the time i do. Yeah i can't recommend enough that people have you beaten. Can joseph or all i've platinum okay. Now for the for the does there. I platinum completely non cheese completely legitimate. Oh wink arrigo. I was rating. Because no i totally use the exploit. Some people treating me like hey. I hate difficulty trophies. I just don't think yes. I actually really like master difficulty. I was playing. I played about halfway through. And i think the challenge of israeli fun but for like a digital fake reward. That kind of means nothing to ask me like i'm not. I'm not gaining an award for playstation. If you wanna give us awards again for at great I it just doesn't add. To the extent it makes that way through feel like a chore rather than an opportunity to engage with the game on a deeper level like the absolutely is if i have this podium for just a second to any developer listen. Please don't lock your trophies behind difficulty settings totally it's just inconvenient for me i got so much time in a day and for me platinum trophies means i loved my experience so much. This is a token of my love for example love bloodborne and by the way it's been two thousand three hundred eighty one day since la i that game i love it so much. Shame harry yeah. Well it's just like a token of gratitude and also we have one hundred and fourteen days since or l. during so whether everybody now that's that's a much more exciting than the other one. Would he said i know right. It's like when are we going to get that up please. Joseph i will say an amendment to your difficulty is that i think that if new game pluses implemented i think that like sort of eases. Is it a little bit right. Like if if Finish qena and then all yourself carries over jump over the higher difficulty. And that's that was. That was my thing with resume before you know I one of the reasons. I play that game. All the time is like you'll beat the game and then you can move on to like sort of new game. Plus situation with a higher difficulty said That i love. I think that's great sort of make good to get people to repeat by through but if it's just playing the entire game again from scratch on a slightly harder difficulty i don't i don't think that's the most creative use of a platinum trophy or and there is no new game plus qena which makes it more frustrating. I think if there were and it was like. Hey there's one more ability to unlock it in master or there's you have all your stuff from the beginning so you're you're getting the hang of things more as you go throughout the story. He wouldn't feel as as tough. And i agree with you. Joseph i think like locking platinum behind that when i feel the exact same way a platinum trophy to me is like i loved this game so much that i strove for this because i wanted to see every aspect of the game not that i beat my head against the wall in order to get this thing every time. And so yeah. There's there's a balance to it but other than that huge fans of canada here so absolutely one of my game of the year and this year is tough. It's a great year. Yeah i do want to get into a couple of other games in one that brian. You had put down and that. I have played as well is hot. Wheels unleashed and before we get into that game. I do want to briefly throw to actually spoke to the executive producer of hot wheels. Only to talk a little bit more about the game for those who don't know milestone the developers has a long lineage and recent game so he's a little bit about that a little bit about Their plans for postwar support. And kind of just how they're huge hot wheels nerds and wanted to make a really great hot wheels game Let's throw to that interview. Now allow everyone. I am very excited to be talking about hot. Wheels unleashed which comes out this week. September thirtieth. i've been playing at a bunch and absolutely loving it. I'm very excited. Because we have an executive producer of the game. The cal colletti. Thank you so much for joining me to talk about hot. Wheels unleashed Really appreciate you taking the time. I've i've been having a blast excited to jump in about a little. Thank you for inviting me. And i'm eager to talk about the game so i wanted to start off with A little bit of a wider picture. Big picture question. Because obviously milestones in the development team has such history with a really authentic racing experiences. Whether it's under gp rider or various other games. Obviously hot wheels unleashed. I would say it's very authentic to the toys but you have a very stylish sort of hyper. Realistic racing series. Here may be in comparison. How what was there any major difference for the team. I suppose in tackling hot wheels unleash compared to pass series. The team has been so great. It's developing well yes. There has been some huge differences because When you move from a game like the no modal. Gp or cross to appeals to reset everything and we start from from the idea that we wanted to make a game. Didn't feel like the usual heart game. You're used to so very script based with very light physics. We wanted to have a different approach. And i think it's shows a lot in when you pick up the game so we had to reset to this side with were the ingredients the basic ingredients of the game so we had something to do from the very blank page and we started experiments so our our out degree our tradition of using physics and taking a realistic luke to to the sports into the racing game genre shows because we wanted to recreate something that felt substantial. Didn't have to feel to lights to too easy too. Simplistic so overall the game feels like that. A carson underweight. Everything is not so easy. Not so super simplified. While bang still doable while being still fun all the time so we had to change perspective. While i think some of our dna shows through the lines and you can read through and see our heritage in even in hopeless unleashed so. It's something that we have a long time to prepare a. It was not something done overnight but the more we were experimenting the more we understood that the way was paying off so the result is now in your hands and it's an absolute blast play. I've been having a lot of fun testing my skills and and definitely getting beat here and there By the way. I but it's as you said there's a it feels like it may be simplistic at the start. Because you're playing a hot wheels game and you may think oh it might be specifically targeted to kids. But that doesn't feel like the case of all the second you start playing. There's a easy to pick up and play but there's a lot of complexity to it as well and one of the the things that you mentioned was sort of the physics focus. And i did want to talk about at the really interesting ability in particular to sort of orient your car while in the air you know while going over a jump you have a lot of control over sort of the the direction that your car is going to land. Was that something. That was there very early in the creation of this game. And how did that affect development of the tracks that you're on the level layout well starting from scratch we. We started with the idea that the game didn't need to be too simple. But it shifting the focus towards the basic driving skills. I meant that avoid to overload the player with things to do to keep in mind and to care about for example. The first result in the prime result is the absence of weapons. Not only because of the licensed mama not only because we want them do differentiate from other games but also because mentioned hot wheels with the complexity in the driving is slightly higher. In other arcade games adding weapons. It would be simply too much to frantic too to too too much to dominate. So when we were starting to experiment with physics and with the basic driving we understood that at the same time we needed some in air control. That goes away from the actual physics from the book but it was needed to land correctly was needed to do some jumps. And that unleashed hand. Sorry for the job. And unleashed some civilian is like there are some tracks where midair you have to flip the car completely to land because you are asked to a matinee and then so when gravity san you you land on another part of the we need to flip over so the more we add some tools to experiment the more our imagination and creativity was was enabled to to to to bloom into the truck designed into the environment's so it was something like you start with some idei. You take some consequences you evolved from that and you think. What can i do with this possibilities with this stills and this not only related to physics of to the graphics because you know it's the first awesomely hawkers game with a realistic visual approach and this was a consequence because it's based in our dna to route some realistic physics own graphics so it was obvious for us to do such a thing and that leads believe Amazingly to the next thing that i wanted to talk about and by the way. This is filled with a wonderful puns and jokes. so that fit right in with our usual but I did want to talk about. This game is beautiful. i. I think that wasn't necessarily thing. I was thinking before. I decided to play a hot wheels game but it is absolutely gorgeous. And the both the level etele around you in the world as well as just with the cars and all the different types of materials that they're made out of sort of the the dedication to making those really come through is it's so impressive to see in motion and i was wondering Both perhaps obviously this cross christian available and multiplatform. But i did having access to next gen consoles. The now. Current consoles allow the team to to amp up that dedication to those very realistic very beautiful physics or excuse me graphics while it's been one of the biggest challenges of the game because when you come out with nintendo switch through the past generations through the max so current generation are pc. You have to care about lots of things to sustain performances visuals quality but on the very Basic choice words to have a realistic look. So we usually studied mania. All the hawkers games in the past. And you know. There has been something from playstation times until very very recently and in history. Hustles games three visuals in simplified way sometimes because of the performances of the hardware because our old of games of mobile games sometimes as as choice like it's not the toy it's it's an ideal vision the toy inside the game or sometimes it's a real size car like enforcer so it was basically the most obvious choice to do and the only one that was not being taken to represent the cause as they are and to also the moment we tried it. Lazarus canning some some some cars and putting them in into the into the engine. It just sound felts super good because these are the cards we love not in our diversion not stylish version not a real life version necessarily these were the causeway loft and so putting this style in interview environments and an into the trucks was something like again consequential some choices you make on again di environments needed to lots of reworking. We had to work in a way that we never did before. Because usually we re copay real trucks so it's not something that we're used to so we dropped in. Some white box is so some very draft with only shapes of the environments just stand if the cise division of environments The shape of the job were were too many too few very friendly to creating the trucks so redirected a lot in we just only some high level ideas like we want to make an abandoned garage. Okay but what should we put into the carriage. And so sometimes we're the were too few elements. Sometimes there were too many so it looks like good but we. We were never able to rake tracks in a breeze inside that environment. Manley settle do some compromise to achieve the best effect in terms visuals gameplay Being able to ask something. I agree for the creators of the tracks. That use the the edito so it was something like we were learning along the way to do something we had never done. But we were with some very clear ideas and removed With these ideas in mind in trying to reach the ultimate goal so it was something that looking back. It was the journey. But i think that we've stick to our vision. I at least for me personally. It absolutely paid off as a kid who had more hot wheels than i could count and would prefer to admit It's it's really impressive to see them. Come to life in this way as you said it is a. You're taking what they actually are in real life and putting it into the game rather than making this as you said sort of idealized version of what that car might look at it as a real sized car and it's it's a joy to both with those because of that nostalgia but also because it's just a really beautiful fund raising game that you that you all have created you. You didn't touch on something. I wanted to mention which was the the creation sweet elbow here. There's a really in-depth level editor and car customization Abilities in here with deliveries and everything for your car they able to create a and i've i've had joy i've already lost several hours. Trying to perfect looks for my car is and i was curious about why for the team. That was such an important part of of including the game or You know decide on how expansive to make those elements because for me. At least they feel quite expensive but like really easy to get into an anna joy to kind of build. The truck editor was the most complicated and technically challenging to implement at because he's the very same tool that our designers use the create the trucks. You can find into the game so this was the very very same tool that we are offering to to the players so we can expect to have some designs up to the level of what we have done or possibly even crazier because we had some how to tame our attitudes to do super crazy tracks because it could be something like about puzzle race but we don't want to have an in game tracks building and to be a much towards being a challenge. They have to be enjoyable. But these this editorial allows you rake bonds special parts. Great tons tweet Banged the pieces. So it's quite of our technical technological challenge because it's all modular it all works from intend to switch ought to be so it's been a white variety to to to create it and it was interleaving with the creation of the transfer of the game so it was very very complicated to to work on but at the same time this was very very basic me off the game because it's the very spirit of hotrails the strike. So where else should they run. We use also art of the environmental We expect players to use the environment as arc of the setting but would not be helpless game without the iconic orange truck so it had to be this way again. It's something that is not a usual because such powerful. I think it's the first time you can't see it. But it had to be this way. It was one of the pillars of the game. Livery editor is not something that you immediately connected to the operas franchise because you know hopkins cars. They come in multiple liveries over the years. The same casta will be re should in different liveries so it's one of the parts of the joys to collect. All the differently varies that will come out through the years but again being game we wanted to have something for the players to to play with to create to be attractive to personalise themselves when when the go online for example so again from our other game sites preternatural to introduce the editor and When you put your hands on oculus carbon delivery editor you understand the full potential. Because it's something very very natural. Do you fly some sparkle the ada you start attaching stickers and. It's super nice in this way. So even if it's not immediately coming from hopper franchise soups perfectly for the game against the big challenge because this muggles are pretty complicated to to be able to be painted on again. We're already seeing some crazy. Liveries opping out. So that's the missions. Yeah i i can't wait to see you want. The wider public is really in there on mass. Of just how. How many amazing you know. Concepts and car designs people are able to come up with You're seeing a few already it. It's been really exciting to jump into that. I i was curious of course because as you said you know hot. Wheels you may see the release overtime indifferent Ormes and whatnot but obviously there is a sort of course selection of i believe over sixty cars in the game at launch. What was sort of the the car selection process for the team because obviously there are those who may not have jumped in yet. There are stats. Teach the cars that you're able to upgrade and whatnot. So so how did. The team decided on what cars to included in the sweet. Go with well if you like the mix of abro and very santic approach so and everything in between because when you well. I'm a collector of our people. The teams are hopkins. Collectors are a former players some some decades ago. And when you understand the hotels world understand that there are the real world. Cars are the original hopeless modal saga. There are people that one the other. Both of people focused on single tanneries like muscle cars. Some there are some people incredibly crazy about a single modo so we had to find a way please. Some how old is possible. Owens's and in this way we have to find a good balance of between super famous moguls. Something that was impossible to me. There were accelerators found. There were fans like me real world cars so we had to to try to move from three hundred hours selection for daily on than one hundred fifty down to a reasonable number in order to find a good balanced and keep in mind that the cars into game. I'll only be. Visually estimate also graded in terms of gameplay if you find something like of a car and you like it to be brought onto the higher levels. You can't Power rates using the costumes and to to empower the car. So you can make it faster and moving on than other categories so we try to give something that would please possibly all the. It's possible completely. No but we would all possible efforts to capture old. The hotwheel lover tigers in into the game and the response of fargos. Good it it definitely. I'm sure it is no easy task as you as you were saying but it feels like the sweet available cars here is is a really good sort of a cross section of all the various types of hot wheels fans. You were mentioning to make sure that there's something here i think for everyone and as you said if you you find a common car. They're certainly a few that. I've collected the game. But i i really wanna stick with them. I've been upgrading them. And and boosting them up can And that new joy to keep them with me as progress. I did of course ask as well. There are plans though for those who may want even even more cars. There are postal entre plans for the game as well. Yes there are are in game. There are some newt boxes that are not actually loot boxes. Because you don't have to pay for them so the overall locking system works in this way with without the use of real money while in the future in the near future and for a long time to be a number of hate additions to the game from even also some of them will be free. So there's gonna be some vehicles young so single vehicles to be added to the game. There's going to be some season passes. There's also some other contents with some more full flash expansions introducing possibly new themes. and you. thanks so is going to be revealed in detail along the way. There's going to be ray season so like many. Other games are using seasons to unlock something. That is free and then something else that he's a paid with some more content to be a loft so the the the basic game is very very full-fledged. Nice there's got to be something coming on for many many months so brian paid so there tends to enjoy a hot wheels now. An in future and also layers be producing content on their own. So there's going to be a tone of content to be enjoyed from from on the fan base. So i think it's going to be quite lively for a very very long time. I hope it will as well. Because i've i've been having a blast these last few days within as he said i appreciate the the approach. The team has taken a everything in the base game. You're locking at as you mentioned. The the loop boxes are not paid for. It's just with the in game currency that you're collecting And it's really great to just even cursing me to go back to the races to. Oh i miss that time trial let me go try. That one can get a few more coins to be able to get another car to. It's it's been a really great Joy to experience all of that and to see what other players are creating. And i can't wait to see what's what's ahead from the team our. We're just about at times. I did want to ask since you were mentioning. Sort of the The decision making process of it all was there any particular car model that you really wanted to make sure it was in the game that got in there launch. Well now that you talk about it. Let me say that. Might possibly favorite endgame could be the audi quattro nice. that's great. There may be other like that obviously will be in the future in the game that maybe didn't find some spot into the game. But when i see this one. I really love it. There are other cars that are have been actually scammed by by by my own. 'cause so it's very nice to know that your car is actually physically somehow into the game. That's amazing i. I love that so much the team. Obviously they're huge hot wheels fans on staff but as a fellow hot wheels fan. I just wanted to say it's it's been incredible to to play into the attention to detail and care that went into this game Southern cal thank you so much for joining me to talk about the game a little bit of and having a blast and definitely recommend everyone out there a checkout hot wheels unleashed if you need even more convincing our review is up on. I gave it a nine. It's amazing totally stabbed by that. It's a blasted cal. Thank you so much for joining me. Thanks jonathan as always for that amazing interview brian. I do want to hear your thoughts on how wheels since i spoke a little bit about it in the interview. But how how are you feeling about it. I think it's fun as hell. it's a. it's incredibly toy epic which is a word. I think run out around a lot. But in this scenario it totally works when you get cars and you kind of pick them up and spin around on next gen the. It's it's pretty tough to get those textures down of something. That's like a metallic or plastic or something that looks like a hot wheels toy you had as a kid and they nailed it here I really also like the the track design in the way that it. You'll like something that you could conceivably lay out in your house if you are extraordinarily rich as a kid and your parents just left and were never coming back but they left like a million different ramps around the home. It appears together building taxes. Superfund to My gripe with this game is the economy in the way on lockable rollout or lack thereof early It's kind of grind to unlock cars in this game you do so by basically getting lube boxes that you can purchase with in game currency hard dollars. Whatever they're called. I forget and ninety five hundred to get har you yamaoka about thirty of these car bucks her race some races. Don't even give them to you and so do the math there. It takes a little while to unlock one thing which you open and you might even get duplicate when you open it so doing that gives you a chance to sell it back or a trash it for parts we can you. You can use for upgrades if you wanna buy cars individually. There's a shop at are like like twelve hundred or more car bucks each day and it's a grind to get them. I'm not. I'm not gonna lie like i think that's like one of my biggest sort of like a gripes about this game is that it is so much. Fun gameplay is so awesome. The cars are gorgeous. The really fun to customize. It's got this really awesome sort of action figure or like you know blind box approach to it which i dig. It's scratches a lot of sort of like very primal kid collecting toys sort of things in my head total and i just wish it was a little bit easier to get the cars which like i don't think it's like battlefront to launch bad or anything like that but i do hope that developers take note of just like how kind of grinding it is right now and they like it takes a while to get the delorean. Yeah bummer yeah. I i would say a good aspect of it is that you will good and bad since it's a grind. It almost makes you want to be able to but there's no real world money that you have to pay any of the car. It wouldn't be bad to be able to kind of pay if you really really wanted one. But at least like to. Brian's point that these aren't like these are blind boxes. Essentially you're never being asked to pay five dollars to get a blind box thing like that so at least it is all in game but i agree with you. I've i've been loving the aim. My girlfriend has been creating amazing custom versions of the cars. You can you can customize your own cars but it is taking a while to get more than four or five cars in my garage. One one thing. I do love about this game. A lot is The boost feature every every game has sort of act that netra boost button and most racing games. Either give them to to you. After a successful power side. Mario kart or just let us basically three per race right in their finite here Depending on how you're racing you're constantly filling up is circles and successful power sides. Fill them up faster. You can boost like puns of times peres so like the faster you're going the more your power citing the better. You're playing the more you're boost is is filling up and you're just like constantly in this zen groove of just like constantly going faster and faster and faster which i totally love. It's got this awesome. Archaic field to. I recently played a cruise in blast on switch and that was that was really fun to and so this has been a really cool month out of nowhere for kind of like vintage arcade racing style games And this this game is stunning to. And it's got some really fun to yeah. Yeah i i did not expect a hot wheels. Game would be the game. One of the games this year or the most i went. Oh wow this is beautiful but it is us. I'm planning on. Ps five at is surprisingly gorgeous game. any brand. It's really fundraiser. i agree the grind. I think is the biggest problem there will be a as mentioned the interview post launch Both paid for Like season passes as well as free on walkable cars and seasons of things that you can You know as you go so there will be a balance of those things to come as well but I have a question. Yeah do ascend support. What's what's happening with the triggers. Look like that's my big thing. If you got good happen. I'm in that's up to five. Got me yeah totally. It's i would actually say it's not like super noticeable. You can feel the engine abet. I would say in the triggers ryan. I don't know if you've been playing on. Ps five or elsewhere. But it's it's not something that blew me away necessarily. It feels a little bit more subtle. It kind of feels like standard rumbled. Emulate the engine. The feel of pushing in the the right trigger to go kind of has a little bit of give to 'cause you're you're pushing into the pedal cars works. I can't drive. I'd like out of this world interesting enough. i would suggest remapping that controls. So that your your gas isn't on the trigger enough because it's you're holding down the trigger the entire time and it's just a lot you know it. Yeah it can be a lot. Yeah gen- generally really fun can check out our full review and jan for more and thank you again to the executive producer of how unleash for taking the time to talk with them. I'm really excited to see what they add amazon. Last not least just briefly mentioned for after about brandon. You've been playing a little bit. And i've implying just not sure if you have a hassle vini advanced collection on now. I have yelled about wanting this game for years. And then they finally surprised us with it in the playstation direct This is a compilation of circle of the moon harmony of distance and aria of sorrow. I could've said any words and probably would have sounded like a castle. Vania title believed you. Those are the three gb games. As well. As i think dracula x which is a much older castle vania. Um those three ones were the the way i was introduced to castle vanya and i have such fond memories of playing the gbi a on car rides with the magnifying light attachment that you would put over the screen to be able to see it in the dark but it's still barely was noticeable especially circle of the moon is a very dark at points but i've i loved these games. They were foundational in my love. Metro visas and i'm so happy to have them. I'm playing through chronologically. Some stone circle of the moon. It's been nice to revisit them. I there's this weird debate that suddenly is retroactively. Saying some of them are bad. I don't know about that. i'm enjoying them. Brian as a. I think even bigger castellini final andy. Here your yeah. I've been playing castle video game since the symphony tonight. One of my favorite games ever made phenomenal phenomenal game. Just if. I don't know if you've played that i'm not a castle. Genia person at all. I know i'm surprised because you love blood. It's so much of the similar dna. I in in. That's what gets me very excited about these. I'm actually debating hopping into these games. Begins my love bloodborne. Well it's not to be a salesman here. It's i think it's twenty bucks. It's a yeah it's only twenty bucks more. I bought this instantly without even thinking about it. But i'm playing through chronologically as well. I'm trying to hunt percentage map apologies. Tim do games. I i excuse. I'm playing stuff from literally. Twenty years ago. Several the moon is awesome. If you wanna play if you want to relive what it was like to play the game on gpa near tv settings from the brightness all the way down to basically nothing and then hold a flashlight and pointed screen. That's that's gpa mode. Yeah there's a podcast beyond exclusive note. Please let game like that now. These are gorgeous. Play them in pixel perfect mode. Turn off the settings pop up a description of it. There's like a weird hard that pops every tile. Yeah you hit an enemy. Turn that off. I would also. She's just remapping the controls. So they're the to directly under your thumb diagonally not across That's excellent excellent. Excellent games I'm i'm sort of crushing through them. anticipation of measure dried. Which is next week as i just. Yeah i love these games. I think they're so great. If really awesome features each each game has its own sort of gimmick it goes with it and i mean that kind of a good way. I'm there's definitely a little bit of like oldy locks porridge too cold to hot. Just right with these three games i think. Area sorrow is her fict- yum and then the other two are kind of flawed. But still really really fun. But yeah i think they hold up tremendously well. I'm chasing the hell. Out of the rewind feature. I'm old and i don't care vietnamese games before. Don't judge me. Yeah they're excellent excellent games if you haven't played them which you might not have. Because maybe if you're an old school playstation fan you didn't own gb when they launched and these games are actually pretty expensive to buy in card form. Please check this collection out. I implore you also all of the old castle vinas are on sale right now as well. I believe you can get the original castle collection for five bucks so this is a good time to just start collecting the castle video games. But i'm there for a rainy day. Spooky month is here. Halloween is here. there is also. I believe a. I'm trying to look it up. So sorry if you hear my keyboard lacking but i believe a symphony of the night and rondo flood double pack as well in addition to much. So yeah there's no shortage of classic hustle mania that you can access on playstation and you absolutely should before we wrap up. I do of course on make some time for our segment memory card. Which is where you the viewers listeners. At home right in with your sad weird happy wacky whatever memories of your playstation game life and we read those on the show you can write in to beyond june dot com. Thank you to everyone. Who's been writing in. I have a few that will be reading in the weeks to come. But just since you're our guest on the show this week. I want to open the florida. You i is there any sort of place memory. You wanted to share with audience. Yes so before the show. We talk about how. I used to work at game stop. That was my big thing back in the mid to thousands and during that time i've always been just let the viewers now lucky enough to have all the consoles so i never had this like console allegiance of which i have to fight and die on the sword for so like as a kid like my wella would offer playstation one just so we could go over house. That was. That was the selling point. Yes to was my platform system as a kid and when it came to the. Ps three era is my biggest time without a playstation. It wasn't until i was working at game. Stop one day and some guy came in and if you work retail you know what i'm talking about. He wants to trade in its console for cash yet. none of the wires now the controllers. Now these guys you saw this. I'm like being about employees. Don't do this well. It's my lunch break. Abide off you for eighty bucks. And i this guy's ps three yourself and you did up. Yeah oh oh again. I should have been fired. That don't do this much. Good a playstation. Exactly like this man. So i turned to my friend. I was like okay. I've been out of the game for so long here. The game i need to get and he goes untreated too. I'm like we're skipping one. Skip one gopher to the first thirty minutes of playing that game. I was blown away. I was like what is this. I've never played anything like it. And it was that point that solidified me as playstations going to be my predominant place where. I play an oddly enough. At this time it was two thousand. Eleven i believe during the playstation blackout. So while everybody was furious up in arms go. Where's where's my online. I was actually falling in love with zeeshan houses. And i got a free plan out of that and because of that blackout era. I tuned into my first episode of beyond. And it's been history. Ever since. I was a big deal back then. Yeah the cout episode. I remember very well listening to back in the day. And that's in since that day. I've been a fan since every iteration. It's been an awesome experience. Why it's such a full circle moment right here where i'm just sitting down watching all talk and like also now is it's it's been awesome. Having you on also reminded me that uncharted two probably has i mean we should rank these day but probably one of the best openings of any video game ever. I'll find the right like that. Is that is seriously off. They're just as opening moments that opening area with nathan drake climbing up. The train is just. There's really not like man. I can't think of a game that i played up until that point. The boys immediately that harrowing and cinematic and just just a gut punch of just like okay. Here we are. Wow doing this go ahead just like that. The train sequence. You're like what like in in the mid two thousand that is breaking again. It broke my brain on my holiday doing this magic. I hope Yeah that that opening i think is the openings are so often mike hamstrung by having to to'realize everything and there's obviously a little bit of tutorials ation there to get used to the controls but it's in such a climactic moment of what the hell do i like. I need to get out of this and it. It just blends that like needing to introduce people to playing a game and introducing a really gripping story just so I'm glad it was there to entertain you all the rest of us were freaking out about not being able to log in to down. I was literally the of the dog where everything's out fire knock. I'm fine honestly as a predominantly single player game or at the time. I was like adult victims. I got it. I got it. I understand why people are mad. I kept trying to log into the mag servers. And i just thank you so much for sharing that story and thank you for being on the show as we we wrap up. I know you mentioned at the top of the show. But where can people find the trophy room to listen to if they want to hear more from well again. Thank you all for having me. This has been a blast. Had for some reason the last five minutes. They're like we're going to drag race on your street lawyer types of your concentration so i apologize to the audience but you can find me over. Atmosphere babette on twitter. You can find a trophy room on twitter at. He has trophy room. And you can find the trophy room a playstation podcast. Where yet again. Each and every thursday me and my best friend. Kyle talk about the latest. The greatest in all things playstation on you can find us on apple podcast spotify. Google play and by the time this episodes out. That's what our new episode will be out to. You could double dip. If you like my voice you'll be like i want to hear more this guy and if you're not i'm so sorry got a great voice. You use a great book south. Yeah you have a great a great a great pitch pitching a great voice. Joseph thank you so much for joining us this week gravy and yeah definitely recommend people go check out the trophy room if they haven't already bryan before we wrap up as well anything. You wanna point people toward even working on recently We're doing a bunch of That show cannon fodder which is basically deep dives in a popular at the time we did one for star wars vision which is super fun of. You haven't seen sars visions. I'm sorry really cool. Show a row. Also doing one for venom to and many saints of newark as well as i did a far cry six. Let's play with max scoville showing off a bunch of like animal friends in that game and things get really crazy. That's coming up very soon to very very excited for that game. So yeah keeping look out for some cool stuff coming up awesome and you can find ryan on twitter at agent fizzle and i'm jay doormat sean. Twitter definitely want to point people to as i mentioned last week. Our idea and twenty-fifth anniversary content is still going on all the way through this week. Our we have a ton of really awesome pieces across movies and tv games The one that went up today not playstation related. But it's fantastic. It is a look at the legacy of the we and how it's probably most surprisingly. It's music and joe scrambles from our news team or uk team did a phenomenal job researching and talking to people about its legacy the we the we music. Not the game the us on all of the menus in such a. It's a really great piece stuff. I go check it out. And then friday for playstation players I have another article level going up like our to see shema one. This is one about the last partout. I won't spoil what aspect of it but we spoke to some. The from naughty dog watched a cut of it earlier this morning. It's shaping up to be really really great so if you enjoyed The ghost level. You'll probably enjoy this one too by the way fantastic seriously. Someone needs to be all the series i. It is one of the most fun things i've had putting together these last two episodes. And it's what i wanna keep making so if you enjoyed out there please watch this one. Please share them. It goes a long way to making us have a reason to keep telling people we wanna do. These bloodborne next man. You gotta get from talk about that first street with fifty dudes on it. Yeah man that that's a really good one okay. Read scrapped from the video. We're going to pitch them on that Banal thank you all so much for watching. That's going to wrap us up for this week's episode. Thank you again to brian. joseph for joining me for this episode. And thank you to read our producer for putting the show together and making it'll happen and thank you everyone out there for listening and watching. We hope you're safe. We hope you're well and as always beyond beyond beyond.

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PlayStation Acquires Demon's Souls Dev Bluepoint Games - Beyond Mini-Episode

Beyond!

11:58 min | 2 weeks ago

PlayStation Acquires Demon's Souls Dev Bluepoint Games - Beyond Mini-Episode

"Janda and hello. Everyone jumped doorbuster with some exciting playstation news to discuss joining me. Is brian altana beyond beyond brian. Good to be here with you. Because of course we're talking about the latest playstation acquisition lou. Point gates very very exciting. They are now the sixteenth playstation studios. Sort of first party studio in the in the family they most recently of course made demon souls. Gps five launch title and one of the first ps five exclusives around the shadow of the classes remake on ps. Four the uncharted. Nathan drake collection on pius for gravity rush remastered. They've sort of in a whole remastered remakes face with playstation for awhile and now they finally decided to i guess like developer marry. I don't really know term is for this. You know we've seen a couple of studios of sort of adjacent to playstation get. Make make it official. Basically right we've seen it with insomniac. We saw it with house mark. Just recently These are studios that have long running relationships with playstation making exclusive games or just making games in general and now. They're getting the support of the sony themselves. Officially and that's i think very exciting. It's very exciting. For people who like these games is very exciting for people who want to see these studios thrive and also because it. It doesn't really doesn't feel like a scenario where a these studios are taking away from competition. Because they weren't really making a bunch of multi-platform games to begin with so if you're a big xbox fan like this isn't a gigantic loss for you. Either right now yeah they. They've really not been involved in the non playstation space for a while they worked on the xbox three sixty version of titanfall fall but since then kind of have been very very playstation focused. And so yeah as you said this is not like a ono nintendo and xbox will not be getting all the games they were going to be getting. This is sort of a you know this has been an obvious close relationship for a long time and as you pointed out it gives the studio stability and certainty that they didn't have before. And that's actually one of the many things i spoke to marco thrush the president of blue point at herman host. He had a playstation studios. There's a fuller interview up on gin right now. With more that you can go check out but A few things that they talked about that. I want to touch on discussed with ios. I know you're a huge fan of blue points. Work obviously demon souls in just excited for the future for them. The the first thing. I think the most important thing is that they are not doing another remake next they are going to be working on original content marcos They want to sort of focus on making their own creative vision. Come to light Marco described a little bit of how you know. There's been this progression of the studio working. On some of the earliest games really smaller games that worked on ports or re masters then went onto fuller remakes and they are a studio. The founders are formerly retro studios the metric developers. There was a whole bunch of you know long story talent at blue point who've worked on original games in the past and i think there's probably like a thirst there to one over something original themselves. I'm sure they've had a lot of ideas percolating while recreating these other games. So what does that mean to you. As as them approaching the original space versus another remake. It's incredibly exciting. Honestly and really fascinating to me. Because i think that This breaks them immediately and obviously we haven't played their new game yet. We don't even know what it is but This does sort of get them away from the pigeonholing. Originally i believe a lot of fans like myself probably assumed that they would be in forever right. It seemed like a safe good spot for them to continue to re master a remake a classic games that were you know a little bit old not necessarily like stuff from the apis era or anything like that but stuff that you know is a couple of generations old needed fresh coat of paint. But i'm i'm really excited to see what they can do that ran new because they've been mucking around in the back end of summer like a greatest games ever made. They've probably learned a trick or two. And that's pretty interesting. Because i have a feeling there's going to be a lot of naysayers might read the headline around the and this acquisition and just go. You know their report house. There are remastered studio remake studio. Whatever i can kind of brush them aside but knowing that they are this talented in this Sort of technically proficient especially when it comes to Graphics and just sort of like iraq solid approach to the technical foundation of building video games and apply skills and that history to something. New is really really cool. Yeah it's it's a really exciting potential. And i think anyone who like. I think we've even talked about on. The show is the minute blue. Point announced demon souls. Officially it was kind of like. Oh my god. That's so awesome. But what's their next remake gonna be. What should the next five playstation remakes. They handle it as you just said perfectly like it's easy to pigeonhole them in that way but there's so much talent there there's obviously creative ambition there and so see do originally is real exciting and i think it. It speaks to a little bit of the trust between them and playstation because demons shadow of the colossus originally the biggest selling playstation games ever. But they were to really critically beloved games that playstation said okay. We trust this third party studio to take our internal assets that we still have to take the bones of these games to work with our developers and learn from what they did and then put their own mark on it but stay true to that vision. That shows a lot of trust already. So i think bringing them in only only more to me shows a sign of confidence that like whatever blue point wants to do next must really be exciting to playstation. Yeah yeah absolutely. I mean i think that that probably connected the dots with both of those things right like i think they probably said i'm not sure how this pitch came together to to be acquired but i have a feeling they're sony was sort of like so. What do you want to work on you know. And they said we want to make something new and they said rate. I'm on over. Officially i mean you're already here but yeah we're gonna whatever kind of hanging out in the lobby most of the time but so yeah just like we have a space for you. Just come upstairs but yeah it is one of those things. Marco talks about a little bit of like you know obviously working in partnership with playstation. They had opportunities like having a full london orchestra. Do the do the score for demon solos or they had opportunities to work with the tech pipelines of the other playstation studios. Now that stuff is just like there's no sort of red tape that they have to go through their just part of that ecosystem if they want to rely on the amazing motion capture at the playstation studios has. It's very easy to get in contact for that soft if they if they have other ideas if they need support things of that nature It seems like just a better more stable environment for them to create. Whatever they want to go foward yeah they could have like a dedicated london orchestra conference room with the just. They're just hanging out there just there all the time. No joking a small orchestra a quartet. Maybe I think that this is something that's really cool. And like you said getting that level of resources and that level of trust is is is core to the foundation of a big studio this it means that their next game not something they have to sort of look over their shoulder about and be like this need to be financially successful. Is it okay if this gets delayed Is this gonna make or break us. You know every every Studio or many suitors sort of living die based on air last hit or their last failure. And i think this is. This is really like solid for them in in very sort of positive empowering to see that they'll be able to grow for years to come because this is not something that sony's just going to abandon after owning in a to the forefront here. I think what is sort of interesting to me is that it does. I mean i still. I still want re- masters of gangs. So i'm hoping that they can stop. They can do that too. 'cause they're really really good at that and obviously like there was a lot of rumors over the last year. Medicare solitude silent hill. Something is like sort of playstation jason or playstation parallel but not owned by playstation. There are a lot of stuff that we thought blue point could be working on There was that infamous tweet not infamous. I'm was in the tweet. There was a tweet that listed like a bunch of different video game titles before demon souls was officially announced from blue point and so who knows what the future old. I would like to see them eventually. Do both but for now. I'm very happy to see them. Do something brand new yeah. It is an element of the last few years of playstation releases that i now seeing that they're going to be doing original content almost feel like i've taken for granted of like but no i still wanna hold for those remakes to and even if it's not blue point. I hope that you know now that there are officially part of playstation. They can pass along that knowledge to another studio whether internally or a third party partner you know rather than playstation having to say okay we'll have we'll hire this studio that we like third party wise to do remakes but then we also have to make sure blue point is okay with us like working with us through them now. They're just part of it and they could pass away that knowledge in a way. So i'm hopeful for that they did marco and i talked a little bit. Obviously their next project is a bit of a ways off but they had a surprising sort of release cadence they. They've gone through things quite quickly. Not really more than three years and he said like with original content it is natural for that stuff to just take more time than and You know a remake of a game. So i wouldn't expect like we're going to hear what blue points big game isn't it released next year or something like that. Even though that would play into their remake cadence. I wouldn't expect it just yet but i. I do think this please into as you were saying earlier the playstation doubling down on the relationships. They've had and just making sure that. That is a sure thing. Playstation players have to quote to which i think is really cool benefit for the audience. Yeah i think maybe in a couple of years or maybe sooner than that. We might see position. Make some sort of like you know out of left field acquisitions or something like that. I think xbox has been doing that over the last few years to sort of fortify their identity identity and sort of you know build up their presence in gaming. Sony has that obviously xbox to right. They're doing great right now and have been for twenty years but Sony has a fantastic stable of studios underneath them and studios. That are like all but you know first party so they were always right there. And so it's it's just like we said with house mark like it's awesome to see them sort of you know put stock and investment and faith into these studios that they've been trusting for years and to make it official. Yeah totally it's one of those things where you know the. Ps four on the ps. Five i kind of just thought of how smart can blue point as part of playstation at this point so this kind of just makes it official and is a nice little stamp to know that we're going to get the next blue point game we're going to get the house mark game and they already both know their ways around a ps five. So it's going to be very exciting to see what they do in a few years but Definitely recommend everyone. Go check out the fuller interview on jan dot com spoke with both harmon and marco and lot of great fun a little insight into just how how that relationship works and really appreciate you ryan taking the time to speak with me. Yeah of course and you know for everyone else. We do podcast beyond all the time. We're talking about playstation on that show and check out. I mean just go watch gameplay footage of demon souls and shadow the classes and just to get an idea of what the studios capable of technically. I can't wait to see what they do. That's brand now. It's gonna be super cool. Yeah it's a really exciting time and there's a lot of potential head will obviously be got. Excuse me you discussing more of that. On podcast. Beyond so brian. Thank you so much for joining me and thank you to everyone out there for watching the hours.

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Leveling Up Open Source Data Integration With Meltano Hub And The Singer SDK

Data Engineering Podcast

1:05:24 hr | 3 months ago

Leveling Up Open Source Data Integration With Meltano Hub And The Singer SDK

"Hello and welcome to the data engineering. Podcast the show about modern data management. Have you ever woken up to a crisis because a number on a dashboard is broken. And no one knows why or sent out frustrating slack messages trying to find the right data set or tried to understand what a call them name means. Our friends at atlan started out as a data team themselves faced all. This collaboration chaos. They started building outlive as an internal tool for themselves. Atlanta's collaborative workspace for data driven teams. Like get hub for engineering or fig for design teams by acting as a virtual hub for data assets ranging from tables dashboards to sequel snippets and code at linden enables teams to create a single source of truth for all of their data assets in collaborate across the modern data stack through deep integrations with tools like snowflakes slack. Look her and more good date engineering. Podcast dot com slash outlet. Today that's eight l. a. n. and sign up for a free trial. If you're a data engineering podcast listener. You get credits worth three thousand dollars. On an annual subscription. When you're ready to build your next pipeline unwanted test out the projects you hear about on the show you'll need somewhere to deploy it so check out our friends over at with their managed kuban nineties platform. It's now even easier to deploy and scale your workflows or try out. The latest helm charts from tools like pulsar pachyderm dragster with simple pricing fast. Networking object storage and worldwide data centers. You got everything you need to run a bulletproof data platform to date engineering. Podcast dot com slash leno. Today that's l. i n. od and get a one hundred dollars. Credit to try. Out of kuban eddie's cluster of your own and don't forget to thank them for their continued support of this show. Your host is tobias. Macy and today i'm interviewing douaumont taylor murphy and aj steers about their work to level up the singer ecosystem through projects like tano hub and the singer. Sdk so can you start by introducing yourself. Thanks for having us again. My name is a man. Like you mentioned and i am the ceo of oh. And i've been the general manager of montano while it was a project inside gets out for the past year. My history is in developer tools and open source developer tools. Especially i've been with lap since it started out as little open source projects little bit over six years ago and taylor. How about yourself. My name is taylor murphy. I'm the head of product and data with tano joined the team in march of this year. But i've been involved with no tano since before. It was even called altana when it was a small project within git. Lab called the ops project assert kind of as the primary customer of the project then and help guide some of the early development but now actually to lead the project is going in asia about you. I am aj steers. Also aaron stares for people who knew me before my background is in data warehousing. But i also have a software background as well so as i was learning data warehousing in solving data warehousing problems Reminded by fact that he suffered developers have easier than we do our better tools so really. My journey has been through. Traditionally housing then amazon. Aws amazon digital video than startup in consulting really trying to bring the best practices of software over to didn't unions. Well and going back to you. Do you remember how i involved in. Data management well my first involvement in data management has been these past eighteen or so months that have been working on milano before it at develop Engineering manager working on. Get lap devops platform and taylor mentioned. Madonna has been an internal product in gap to try to apply some of those same software development best practices to the data life cycle problem so joining the meltdown team is all the data background. I have but i guess catching up very quickly over the last eighteen months partially with the help of people like aj. and taylor. How did you first get involved in. Data background is actually in typical engineering. And i got a phd in a in the same field. But i spent a lot of time during my phd. Doing some data modeling work. There was half gathering in the lab and then analyzing it you know using basic tools like excel. We had some custom code. Matlab moving out of grad school. I joined a small startup in nashville called concert. Genetics and i was kind of their first data scientists higher. That was my title. But the work that i was doing on a day to day basis was very much did cleaning basic analysis stuff eventually moving into more complex analysis all around pulling information around genetic tests curing that data standardizing it and really building a bunch of custom pipelines with the work of the engineers on the team. I was there for about four and a half years kind of grew the data team out around me so some true data scientist tired. Some would call data engineers and even kind of proto analytics engineers. 'cause we're doing a lot of work on redshift in twenty eighteen. I moved to get labs specifically to continue to improve my data engineering skills and pretty quickly found myself in a situation with the opportunity to lead the data team for the company so i stepped up into that role hired some fantastic data analysts and data engineers and really built the foundation of the data stack. That's still in use today at things like snowflake and dt's shemmel huge dbt fan boy active in the community we leverage it for i'd say ninety plus percent of the data work that we're doing within get lab so eventually i moved back to the data engineering roles at established engineer. So i wanted to do a little bit more individual contributor stuff. Yeah moved onto the multi when that opportunity came in march of this year. So that's kind of long background. And i'm i'm still learning every day excited to see what what else is out there. Aj how did you get involved in data. As i mentioned before. I started off in data interesting. Data warehousing and seeing through products like microsoft single server and all those and very early on started trying to bring software automation to that pipeline. We've had an episode before data. And i about the milano project so we've dug deep into sort of what the goals there are and a big portion of the foundation of that is the singer ecosystem and i know that there's a lot of work going on there to try and help improve the overall quality and level up the ecosystem as a whole some wondering if you can start by describing a bit about what the singer ecosystem even is and maybe some of the history of you know where it's been where it was when you kind of came in with multi and started trying to level it up and some of the work that's necessary to bring it up to par where you feel that it will be sort of in a good position to move forward so i'll start by explaining a little bit more about singer. Then we can delve into the state of ecosystem today. Singer is an open source. Standard for data connectors. It describes how you can build two different executable two different pieces of software one to connect with data sources a second to connect with eight at assassinations at can then be combined to sink data from any source to any destination and really what singer is a description of the protocol that these two tools can use to communicate. What that means is that you can build with whatever programming language you like execute -able that has to desire behavior for the source another for'destination and have our you're e l. pipelines so d- ecosystem around singer then becomes all those different connectors that have been written by different people different organizations at various times. Speak to singer. Article can be combined with each other as they. The theory too low data from any source to any destination and ecosystem also includes all of the different tools that have been built that use these singer connectors steps and targets as they are called to provide the data integration functionality within the tool in question designates opens cels like montana itself as well as close source tools and data products that behind the scenes without end users necessarily knowing use singer tips and targets to our data integration functionality in these products and so given the the ecosystem is this kind of constellation of loosely connected projects where there are different plug ins for data sources and destinations. And the idea is that they'll be able to communicate with each other to wire together a pipeline with little to no effort on the part of the person who's trying to integrate the pieces but given how distributed these efforts are wondering if you can just talk through the current weak points and the challenges that exist within the ecosystem. I think stories certainly has changed since the last time you were able to talk with them. We would say you know six months ago. Would it were the current challenges of the secret singer ecosystem and back then we identified really that getting these taps and targets into production. State was one of the challenges. You can three meals on these projects and it'll tell you you know. Here's the commander to run it locally. Everybody always had the question of. How do i get this into production. How do i drive my analytical decisions based on this data that i'm moving either until warehouse were else so that was one big challenge. We also found that it was hard to build these taps and targets just generally. It wasn't clear the best methods to us whether you had to do in python or not understanding the spag it kind of took you down this this big rabbit hole been because of that. We saw that. A lot of the taps targets had a very inconsistent level of quality and also behavior. Some taps would implement all parts of the spec some kind of do slightly different things and there is really no consistency between an across these different projects. And then gonna last identified was that it's hard to discover the large world of singer townsend targets that are out there and so we've done a lot to address that and we'll talk about that in august and we think we've addressed a lot of these issues and we have an answer to each of these challenges but specifically today i think the challenge for the singer ecosystem and and us as milano to really help love singer. Ecosystem is an awareness piece. So we really want to build a true open source ecosystem that means having a large library of tasks and targets that are maintained by the wider community. Similar to how you know klein. Api libraries have a vibrant open source community around them. We aim to build the tools and be the community leader to support the broader ecosystem. I think the second challenge that we're facing a little bit is the reputation of singer singer you know came out with with a lot of promise. And because of these original challenges that i mentioned it started to tarnish the name a little insert people's minds and so now i think we're pushing back against and saying like no singers actually really great. We are really embracing the protocol and the larger ecosystem and we have the track record over the past year. Certainly to show that that's the case and there's a lot more that wanna do now that we're a separate company. I think we're gonna be able to really invest the resources into leveling of this community into what it was originally promised to be and to your point to about the fact that there was all of this promise and excitement in the early days of the protocol being announced and it was originally sponsored by the stitch company which has spent acquired so sort of the ecosystem had this champion to begin with but then as they got acquired and they focus their efforts elsewhere. The community was kind of left without any real direction or leadership and so it started to stagnate a bit is my understanding and so the amount of effort that was put into these different types in targets started to wane and so the overall level of quality that existed across those targets was inconsistent. Because you said there wasn't any real direction or best practices for how to implement these projects and so now with the work you're doing with altana. I'm wondering if you can just talk through what you see. Is the current role of the montana project. In the montana team within the broader ecosystem of the project and the singer specification and some of the broader goals that you have for mel tano as it continues to try to carry this ecosystem. Forward s taylor has been discussing a number of these issues in the singer because have had to do with d. Lack of attention had been receiving from the original founder or creator of the protocol stitch and milano actually became a member of the singer ecosystem and community. When in building this data products which madonna. What at the time we needed to select a technology forty open source data integration bits and we came across singer in two thousand eighteen and we were very excited along with the rest of the community to have this new standard coming up and library of connectors quickey expanding and a year ago. When we were trying to figure out how to kind of re imagined milano we recognized at the parts that we had built. That was getting most traction on actually the tooling around singer. Because more and more people were looking for a way to run singer based type lines without the stitch platform and they were looking for people and organizations in the community who were going to provide better tooling and better support and better training material around singer. So we realized that. The biggest opportunity for madonna year or so ago was to really embrace a senior community end standard and start to try addressing. These concerns that people had rightfully been having about the technology and future so the first phone to address is address by itself. It allows you to build run and deploy these singer based biplanes with very easy. Configuration deployments. the other problem. That's taylor mentioned has do with the difficulty of building new connectors and the inconsistent quality between different connectors written at different times by different teams. All kind of using this relatively vague specification of the singer protocal. That really leaves a lot of things up in the air and leads to you. Know different behaviors being by different people. This were addressing westie. sdk for billing depp's and the decay for building targets that we have been developing over the last couple of months in collaboration with the community which provide a much higher baseline of building. Connect or something of this spec without end users people implementing the new connectors needing to know every single detail off the singer specification. Aj can talk a little bit more. About what the. Sdk does after since he s the lead engineer on. That's the third thing has to do with discover ability of these connectors on the one hand. It's difficult today to find out whether a connector already exists for a certain source or destination. Even if you've managed to find a git repo four a connector. There are many cases in which debts canonical repo is not actually the most actively maintained fork. There's also has to do with his lack of interest in singer. That stitch has ahead over the last year and a half or so. Where do you could nautical repositories for various connectors maintained by them. Have a long list of unreviewed pool requests and you need to manually go into the network few on get up and find a much more maintained four in order to find one that you actually want to use and contribute to so we are building the meltdown. Oh hub to increase discover ability of connectors in general and then also surface. Health related metrics like how frequently is updated. How many unreviewed requests in issues are there on the repository and we are in general building. Milton tano with other tools. Like dbt and airflow dexter prefect to provide a full open source writing system. If you will for open source data sticks that people can build up with singer. Full forming data integration. Barks there so to roll into mcmil. Donna the role in singer community that we have today is as i would say the primary company really embracing it's building new tooling getting the community to rally around these projects. We have seen a lot of interest from various company said over. The last few years have started using singer that are now collaborating with us on the decay. And the hub. Because they will recognize the need for such a kind of central core of tooling forty ecosystem and community to build on top on taking those two main efforts that you're doing separately between the sdk and the milano hub. Let's first again to kind of the discover ability piece of it because as you mentioned it can be very difficult. Aspect of decentralized communities is understanding. What are the available options. What is the relative quality and activity and you know when you have cases where given repository as forked multiple times. Which is the one that everybody is actually using versus the one that was easiest to find and so in terms of the montano hub and wondering if you can just talk through some of the goals that you have for it. And some of the challenges you have in terms of identifying which repositories said projects to include and just the overall design elements to make it easier for people to discover the tools that they actually need to complete their tasks. The primary goal with the hub is to bring a level of discover ability and transparency to ecosystem. That just doesn't exist. Currently in terms of you know what are what are some measures that we can identify to to say. Hey this is the higher quality tap and target. so there's gonna be multiple layers for any given connector. that's listed on the hub. So we started out by just listening. You know the taps and targets that are discoverable within milton. Tano those have gone through a review process. Were confident of the settings that are required to to run the tap and target within milano and we have a good back definition for what that target is the next phase was to basically you know we scraped get hub to using some fairly tight search terms around like tapped target python. Think we included singer as well to kind of pull a full list of everything. That's available on get hub. We're actually doing this using montano running. Dt with mel tano against tina as the target to clean up the data and to basically say like okay. Here's the big list of a tax in targets in from there it's been a manual curation effort to initially go through and identify like yes. This is related to singer. Met has read me and it seems to be somewhat active. There's there's a commit within past couple of years so there's an initial of manual work and the iterations that we've taken it to now. Include all of the folks that are available and we have a bunch of proxy metrics. Now isn't vincent we want to be more automated but to really going to bootstrap the discover ability. We're putting a lot of manual effort into this this at first so obvious things. The forecast more stars in the canonical repo. You know we're going to help prioritize that one if there are more recent commits than some of the other products that will that will kind of factor into whether this is a we consider this a high quality tap and target one of the big things that i think is is. We're going to have to rely on the community to help us identify like. Hey you know. The product owner for this tap doesn't seem to be responsive i've focused. I've implemented this in my version. Can we promote this on the hub. And i think that's an excellent path to show that yes. This is a better version of the tab and it to show that this is kind of a community driven effort long term. I think the goal would definitely be to have these different project. Maintainers able directly. Push to the hub themselves to identify. Hey actively working on this or even introduce new tax in targets that we haven't discovered yet so short-term. There are some very obvious things that i think we can do. And we are surfacing those on the hub. Currently of actually we want to get to a little bit more automated dynamic that is responsive to the community and can take even broader array of feedback. On what is a high quality tappin target in terms of the actual list of taps and targets when i was going through a very significant list of taps for being able to source data from and the number of available targets is comparatively smaller with the obvious targets of things like snowflake redshift and wondering if you can just discuss what your opinions are as to. Why the number of targets is relatively small particularly compared to the number of available taps there couple of things going on here with a smaller number of targets. One of them as you just mentioned is that there are fewer number of like stream targets or. let's call them data platforms to low to than there are total number of sass out there. So obviously you know we right now are approaching two hundred different sources that we can support or that are taps out there and were on the hub. We think that's going to be thousand and a couple of years because the number of of sas sources and sas systems where you might want to get data from is just going to grow and grow and grow and it gets easier to write taps you're gonna wanna pull data from them. It's not always the case that you can load data back into those systems and so most people are just loading it into redshift snowflake. we just wrote one for theme based on a preview of the target st k and there are just fewer first cost data platforms that people want to use for their back. End for instance a good measure would be. Can we support every target. That dt supports because. That's where we expect. A lot of days. Use will be doing their data processing and so we wanna make sure we have one hundred percent coverage there. I do want to say one more thing that we started to think about in terms of broadening the number of targets we do support the term is come up reverse. cto which. I'm not a huge fan of. I prefer to think of l. t. p. with p. being published. So we're extract load transformer and then finally published optionally and but anyway that final step something. We're thinking a lot about that. Reverse see taylor or the publish step of the pipeline and we thinks there things we can do in the target s k that more realistic for people for instance loading data back to salesforce loading data into like an account management system or even some. You know ashes out there. Do others do support data ingestion and so the challenge with those is that the contract is always very strict. You can't just let any form data into target so in order to make that viable. A decent mapping paradigm that can shape the data renaming alias it on nested or nested that kind of gives you a lay of the land for the targets. Our thinking about it definitely is a slightly more complicated piece of the puzzle because pulling data out of a system. It's fairly straightforward. You know they tell you. These are the shapes of the data that i have. But then when you're loading data into a system that's where a lot of opinion in special cases and particular needs. Come into play. And so you have to be a lot more flexible in terms of how you actually load the data into the target or the potential transformations that you might want to do in flight. Where i know with lt approach you try to minimize or eliminate that but still something that has to be factored into the target aspects and also the capabilities of the targets are going to be different. But you still need to be able to support all the data sources where you know depending on the target might have to be entirely flat. Data's you have to a nested or it might support. This data. structure is in the levels of nesting. Might be different between them. Side definitely adds a lot more complexity to the problem. Yeah exactly great example. That came up recently in these conversations. We have officer for early in mean gauge with the community in in our office our section and get ideas and challenges talk about new features in needs but one of the things that came up in. One of the sessions was dead. You know. let's say you're performing all your data. Transformation in snowflake snowflake is notoriously like all caps in all of their colonies. At least in how it's stored internally and so you can override that but it's a lot of work and it's a lot of pain if you have a downstream target from not the requires a certain casing. Where do you even start. We are working on this and we have some issues open renounce you explore this but we think an inline mapping transform that can take aliases or do minor transforms in line kind of analogous to the maps of a map. Reduce where you're not Join you're aggregating data. Just kind of alias again. And doing some. Some cleansing in line is a good way to open up a large number of target sas. Api's and then as you continue to build out the melton hub and add functionality and you mentioned wanting to be able to automate some of the different elements of determining whether or not a given tapper target should be included in the hub or be able to publish some of the quality metrics. I'm wondering what are some of the additional features or plans that you have for the project. I know that. When i was looking through the issue tracker there was something for being able to potentially have a sort of core test case for tapper target to determine if it meets a certain baseline quality level. When we talk through some of the ideas that you have for the milano hub and the goals that you have for it in the near to medium term the short-term kind of with this initial couple of releases we've prioritized having a statically generated site so everything is is very transparent and open about what data is driving the website. Where is it stored where we pulling it from because this is an open source ecosystem that we just been won't be fully transparent long-term that means you probably within less than a year. Certainly we want to move to more of dynamically generated an backed website similar to what you would see with like 'em registry or pipe. Pi where different folks can register their own taps and targets without having to make pull request to this single repository you want to support that. Decentralized nature of the ecosystem specifically to your point about kind of automated testing an allegation of different taps targets. That interesting problem. I think for certain taps were weaving tano or certainly not gonna be able to test every thursday no long tail of thousands of. Api's that we will never be able to test and so coming up with kind of a generic case for everything basically had a boils down to like. Are we able to run the executional. And by that i mean like does it output. It's in read me or does it list the configuration. The cool thing with that though is as more taps are built using the sdk that we've made we can integrate this automation within any project that is built using the sea. So we can have it out you know. It can put places where i'll at eighty talk a little bit more about this but you know we can have kind of mock data in there. We can output a set of common. Ci tests that can also be uploaded to the hub to say like hey this this was tested against the this fake data and we even have that data available for download so as these kind of pieces. All start to integrate together. We can kind of continue slowly level up the entire ecosystem because you'll have high quality taps and that emits data. That's easily read by the hub and and can be communicated to people to help them understand. What is high quality what is not. I'll just touch on that. One point you mentioned we actually did. Add recently a generic. Ci suite that basically to add onto this sweet by for any tap a you can run this near ci pipeline. It does some basic plumbing testing to make sure that you can open up each stream and emit at least one record and it causes it down. You know we'll keep expanding what we think. We can generically tests. That test suite gets better and better but there shouldn't be any you know you have to learn your pipeline enough to put that test script in. There might even be able to help with that process but there should be no reason why top maintainers don't have seattle and has more and more do than we can plug that in as a key. If not one of the most important metrics for health atop one more point. I would like to add as well is part of the growth that we've seen in the ecosystem has been driven. By the partners of donnas. there's consulting companies that bill taps in targets for different customers. And we've had good success with these different consulting companies basically sponsoring or taking primary ownership if you will of an individual tap and kind of committing to being a responsive maintainers of a given project so within the hub. We want to highlight that. We want to make it easy for neither consulting group companies or individuals to adopt a tapper target if the status is kinda languishing and so again. We're kind of looking to the broader community in whether it's it's individuals may be essentially doing some free work orbits consulting company that is managing this tap for their their clients. We just want to build a little bit more dynamic system to kind of engage everybody within the within the hub and digging into sdk itself. I know that as you said you're trying to provide a baseline to be able to build off of so that people don't have to know all of the ins and outs of the singer protocol wondering if you can just talk through the functionality that you're trying to provide an how that support or the particular areas of focus differ between the tap and the target has decay. I'll serve a single evolution of what's been done before. I think before mostly investments were made in terms of helper libraries in maybe template projects but the developer had to know wind implement each piece and how to implement each piece and what happened was core functionality. Pieces like okay. Just emitting data. Were the first things to get delivered and then logging metrics complex schema making sure you handle every type of data type that might flow your way. Those things got added only when needed. and so. that's why you see breakage sometimes on tap. I haven't had a lot of love is that they solve what they needed to get. The data through contracts with the sdk every single tap will support one hundred percent of the singer spec without any real effort on the developers part. The developer can just focus on integrating with our api. Like how do i get records. Okay i got a record. I'm just gonna amid a series of dictionary objects and my development work is mostly done at that point recently to define for the downstream consumer. What what are schema might be like in terms of these twelve columns are or not but we're really leading the developer focus on what specific to that top by design. There isn't any plumbing for the singer. Spec in the code that they need to write. And we're doing that on purpose so that they can just focus on that capability but also the long-term vision. Is this also the spec itself to grow. It allows us to make sure that if there are extensions to the spec that are optional. All taps in targets will deal with those gracefully and that really makes us future purpose. While at any taps targets that are built on a will to some degree be able to in the future by upgrading their dependency on the st k. Just instantly support new capabilities. So developers can write for generic chops they just implemented a method called records. But if you're writing a tap that hits rest. Api or graph. Well you can just specify those things that are relevant to the to the a guy or the graft also arrest you need the half and you need the url programs. Just override this. You don't have to deal with the request library. You don't have to deal with retrial. Back offering you. That stuff and saying this graph. Well you just put in what your graph twelve where it should be. You don't have to deal with the rest of even off. We've got three support off mechanisms. Gwt simple off and off. You know where you can save tons of time on those pieces of the humming and then also again as i mentioned before future-proof them and so in terms of the overall design space of the singer specification you mentioned that one of the challenges of the ecosystem. Is this kind of fragmentation of incomplete support for the spec and that there are different elements that might be extra effort that somebody didn't want to go through and in your work of building the sdk to move that out of the path of consideration for people who just want to be able to integrate with a given data source. I'm wondering what are some of the kind of detail pieces of the spec. They've had to tackle in any sort of design challenges. The run up against in terms of how to approach building the sdk to make it easier for people to not have to worry about those pieces. Yes that's a great question had several actually ended. It's difficult to implement these things generically. But i can give a couple of really good examples. One is for incremental streams. Meaning an extreme that you just automatically be able to resume itself from the last time. It was run. You've got a a billion rose. Ten billion rows in your fact table and you just want the new ones because you just you know you don't want to replicate everything every time for that incremental replication. There's an assumption is in the back if you get interrupted after ninety percent is through the spec has capabilities that you don't have to redo that ninety percent even a mid stream if ill but that all breaks down in terms of the logic for that if your data is not emitted in the sorted fashion having ninety percent of the records if it's not sorted doesn't really guarantee me that i can resume at any point. I have to start over again. So that was one challenge we had to solve so we want to incriminate vacation whether the stream assorted or not and we have that built into the spec. Now only if you specify that your stream is sorted with just a bully is already equals true. Then we apply more stringent criteria. But you get the benefit of able to resume more likely to resume after interruption and then similarly. It's been very hard for people to implement rest. Api that have nested parent child relationship so you have a project underneath the project. You have an epic and underneath the epic yet issues. You have comments underneath your comments. You have emoji reactions in the rest. Api everyone of those things as injure key that's nested and so previously developers had to write very very complicated loops dealing with that structure and then had he retried restart lake whereas the bookmark kept. That was a very very hard thing for people in the past and now we have a very simple parent child relationships support in the k. So you can just specify that one stream is is apparent to another and what context the parents should send the child and then once you set that up you're done topple take the decay will take care of the orchestration of those you including the book marketing including the resume. Those are two examples of kind of hard things to workout but if we solved generically as other developers start to join forces in contributing yesterday with us reading a lot of really very powerful capabilities in the uk. I want to jump in and add. Something to that is well. It's less technical. But i think was well received within the community one of the first things i did when i joined mel tana was actually to just basically read all the documentation out there and get really familiar with the current state of things and i found a gap in how singer specification was actually described. So i took a stab at basically rewriting it. In a way that kind of walks people through the basics of it and then dives into technical details we have our published. Our interpretation of the singers bekker's is what we're calling on the montano hub. I think it simplifies for everyone new to the ecosystem of like what actually is the same respect what is happening in what information is being piped from one execute able to another so we dive into that and then we highlight the different types of records and also what configurations and and what each of key represents so we had a few people reach out to listen and say that reading through that has helped them understand some confusing aspects of the spec that were previously intertwined with a specific way of running the tasks and targets. And we try to write this in a way. That is agnostic. To how you're actually running executing it's just this is the the pure spec and pure configurations that are expected to be consumed a tapa retarget and at the same time with the decay. Were making it less necessary. It's actually know all of those details but of course there is still large library of these steps in targets that have been written with these kind of utility libraries today tails preferring to earlier. Where making sense of those and fixing bucks. Those were extending their behavior. Does require you to become pretty confident that you're not accidentally breaking something because i misunderstanding of the spec so in connectors built with s c k that danger of accidentally breaking something. We'll be much. lower maintenance. surfaces will be much smaller and much more specific to source implementing rather than implementing. All of this you know singer. Bits and pieces. But it's already making a big difference for the community. Just to have a clearer description of d spec itself for you do need to debugging or if you are contributing to the decay itself and you want to re implement some aspects of the spec in a way where the user implementing the connector does not need to know it but can do it through some integration point inside the assist you can override within the decay and just one data point that i think is really cool is we started seeing people. Porting existing steps targets tutti decay and they are reporting on average about seventy percents savings in the code surface with increased performance and in some cases functionality this technically optional in singer now being available for free because the decay just implemented if you use to correct integration points. Are you bored with writing scripts to moved into sas tools like salesforce marquette or facebook ads. High touch is the easiest way to sink into the platforms that your business teams rely on the data you're looking for is already in your data warehouse and bi tools connect you warehouse to high touch pace to see query and use their visual map or specify how data should appear in your says systems. No more scripts just sequel superchargers business teams with customer data using high touch for reverse. Etl today get started for free at data engineering podcast dot com slash high touch in terms of the actual specification. As you've been working through building out the sdk. And sort of enumerating. Your interpretation of what the specification is aiming for and how it is intending to implement those capabilities and you also mentioned the potential for future editions or enhancements to the specification. I'm wondering what are some of the aspects of the spec that you have run into during the process of building the sdk that you feel are sort of ripe for redefining or addition or areas that you were particularly impressed by because of the sort of level of elegance that they provided in terms of the way to think about these data transfer problems. I'll start off with just a positive word about the spec. it is really a cool spec. There's some things we might have done differently but it is got so much already planned out and is very capable spec. What we're finding is that there are a lot of extensions that people have added at specificity or add capabilities one of those being this. There's this activate version. That's basically saying when. I send you this message. Downstream go ahead and delete records prior to this or or markham's deprecated that's an extension to the spec that basically deactivate prior versions of those records and that's something we will probably document and carry into the sdk directly so at best to attack target that both understand that extension can take advantage of it by even at worst neither will be broken. So if the target doesn't support that or can't support deprecating records than it will just gracefully warn or or continue without that there's a number of things that are not currently Have been requests from the community to add additional functionality. And we're working with community members on various things there but there are also thinks that were never explicitly defined in the spec at all and tips and targets have been implementing behavior in certain ways depending on behavior that is actually not defined in the spec which means that you'll sometimes run into errors when you run a particular type with a particular targets so far to fall for doing with the k. End with our kind of rewritten spec is choosing specific kind of new guidelines and rules with regards to some of those points that includes messages that have been used by little steps in targets already like activate version and kind of putting that in stone in the making them. Semi-official include things like having expectations around. How d- incremental replication state payloads. Is jason dictionary that defines you know where a tap left off on the previous run which can be used on subsequent run to pick up right there and not repeat any work. Certain depths and targets have been written with certain expectations of what will be in there and death. Incompatibility is something we can resolve india's decay by having every Used yesterday do things a particular way. Yes so just to add one point there to the question of what are the weaknesses are what are the opportunities for improvement in the spec. One thing we have noticed is that in terms of performance. It's not always optimal to read and write a singleton row or record at a time and that is kind of core to back is dead. The source emits. What's the lowest combinator. A record one record at a time and not target receives one record at a time and we think that for the future and scale ability of high volume on high throughput taps targets and also for taps targets that are already optimized do file based batches. We want to extend the singer back by providing support for a batch message type that is instead of sending one record at a time. We can actually send a pointer to a file and that plan to file could have been automatically created by the tap it could have been created by the sdk either way it will be ingested by the target either through and after already built in the that just provides us capability or by native integration with whatever. The downstream target is if that downstream target can just read files from through super quickly. Why not just let it do that instead of loading and kind of the reprocessing at a single rela time. That's a case where the singer spec we think can be improved. But it's not a fundamental change to the paradigm so slightly a fundamental change the paradigm but. It's so respecting. This channel is just sending a different type of message in this back adding that additional message type two to naval on batch windows and we have some precedent for this in the. I guess they are now called wise transfer. Wise folks have creative feature called fasting. And we're doing something slightly different. But it's in cooperation with them in based on some success. They've already seen with this batch. Type support the way we are implementing these new features like these messages or any kind of official iteration effective message rather the official duration of activate version is that this will effectively be often behavior. A target both where the orchestrator like meltdown. Oh will handle a little bit of negotiation. So that's Targets can cigarettes which optional features stay support death way weekend keep pushing forward singer ecosystem in the senior protocol in the k. Without letting behinds old connectors that may not have been updated that functionality yet. So if you are building a connection with the sek you can just update it to the latest version. Nasty k- in automatically get the benefits of these new features but since this is the decentralized ecosystem of connectors living in individual ripostes maintains in many cases by individual data. Teams are people. We need to find a way to scale this protocol to having thousands of connectors out there. That might not all have been updated in the last couple of months so we are building this. S and he's protocol extensions in a way to allow kinda falling back onto the bass singer specification as it exists today with this additional more performance or additional functionality offering features being enabled only if the depth of target. Find out about each other that they both support. It's we don't want to be in a place where only the latest iteration of this decay or the latest iteration of spec will work No it's very much core to the way we are designing these extensions. the day are optional. Since de corps of the singer spec is really good when it comes to communicating system. What's d- data. Looks like schema. And what that they'd actually is debt will be good enough for the vast majority of pipelines. Everything else is extra. And that is built into the way we are extending it. The benefit of working on both the montana hub and the sdk's that we can when new features or capabilities are added and implemented her way that benefits all tapping targets that are built with the sdk. We can bring that information into the hubble and visualize that and make it easy for people to understand like this target support. Incremental replication or. You know absurd says this tap tap reputation or you have to get everything all the time and we want to be able to highlight capabilities of existing taps targets. And some of. That's going to be like. We may need to initially inspect the code to pull that information out but we expect as the ecosystem continues to grow that. We'll have that information pro grammatically shared on the hub. And you'll know what happened. A target is capable of and so now that you have spun meltdown out into its own business. And you've raised funding and you have your own sort of corporate mission for the project and the know the technology that you're building and supporting wondering if you can just discuss how that influences the priorities and the focus of the work that you're doing and some of your plans for what you intend to productized in terms of milano to make this sustainable going forward. Yeah that's a great question and domitian for us. Building milano hasn't changed because we're now a company we just have more resources actually make the mission come true. We are not planning to start selling any particular product for at least another year because we really want to build modano into deep best possible open source data to link for data teams to build their projects on top off and to get those advantages of suffer development best practices in the way that they built their data products and sold their data problems so our goal is still to make this a beloved tool for engineers Produce like data integration and data transformation. Better than a lot of the tools today. We think singer adds a lot to death by offering this massive ecosystem of connectors. Instead of being limited to a handful of connector's that can be supported by the known open. Source data integration vendors. And we think in general by bringing together different best in class tools into a single platform in the shape of milk donohoe allows data teams to collaborate more effectively and get the benefits version control in code review. Nci cd so our mission is to build a really amazing open source platform there and then down the line. We can follow in gaps footsteps with the buyer based open core model where the core functionality that is used by the actual data engineers and software developers on the grounds will forever be open source and free and we will figure out a way to them. Build a business around that with proprietary functionality. Death might be more interesting to their decision makers at the manager and level within the organizations so that anyone who is using meltdown no in smaller teams. Setting or with less. Enterprising needs will be happy with the open source version forever just as his case with get slapped today but once you are big enterprise and you wanna bring nisei an integrated with other enterprise level. Tooling get things like audit logging and a single sign on desiccated functionality that we might end up charging for all subscription basis and today the recommended way of running montano is to self hosted set up your own infrastructure created docker container out of your project and put it up somewhere that can run docker down the line. We will probably will have a hosted version. Where you can upload your montana projects to that's form and we will host. Its for you. Make sure that it has the up time. Make sure to got the looking for in case you do not have the in house capabilities to handle those aspects so we now have the resources to build out the steam. Continue building out this product in this community but ultimately what we're trying to accomplish your hasn't changed in that is to build really grates developer tools for people indata profession in terms of the overall use of the singer tools and mel tano and people using it for building. These different data integration systems. I'm wondering if you can just share some of the most interesting or innovative or unexpected ways. That you've seen mel tano and singer and the st kml tano hub. Used something again. We learn a lot from officers when people come in talk about their use cases what they're building challenges they're seeing one of the ones we've learned through through off salaries was auto. Id is actually using singer to load and integrate with active directory or not actor. I think it's google directory but actually using it for account maintenance with the account objects being the target of el pipeline. So i think that's really interesting and we're also finding more people who are using this for the kind of the reverse t. o. r. e. l. t. g. process of actually publishing to like salesforce or the like and so those are really novel. We also have our own data. Who has a hobby project. He'll he can brag about this cool. It will integration. It takes data from one personal sas down to another tower. You wanna mention that lunch money app. Another example of where meltdown. Oh and singer can be useful which is not in the traditional scenario where you're a company in a data team you're working with you know. Company data is in personal projects. Where data is in some sassou some surface. You're using you end up in some other place. So one example of this is budget tracking software. Like you need a or to specific delilah usca lunch money where you can keep track your connections across different accounts and credit cards but these tools do not always have integrations for every single bank or investments trekking. folio use or other kinds of assets that are not currently automatically integrated So you can use milton. I m using milton no to have an automatic sinking biplane from various sources banks in mexico banks in the netherlands and to medically on a day to day basis sink. These transactions into lunch money. So i used this cave. We've built for targets to build a lunch money specific targets and attempt to builds connectors four sources. I'm talking about and i'm actually using gets up. Ci and it's built in scheduled pipeline functionality to run meltdown within the repositories infrastructure to on a day by day basis sink over that data. So if you are looking to sink data from any source any destination. Think outside the box. Don't limit yourself to tools. Your employer uses because you'll probably have more use cases from for sinking data from a to be in your regular day to day life than you might realize. And i think those are some of the more interesting use cases of modano as well because it help you realize that data driven life rather than only limiting deaths to two your business your work and want the one more thing i wanted to add. I think there's a lot of potential here for hobbyists personal projects because you're getting like enterprised jeering product essentially best practices data ops platform that you can run for free on any hardware you want. So why not use it for quantified self or hobby projects or any kind of school project. You know where you want to use these practices not just limited to enterprise environments to douse point and as you have been working on the multi product and working with the singer community and building out the additional tooling and the milton hub platforms. I'm wondering what are some of the most interesting or unexpected or challenging lessons the learned in the process. I think for me coming into the mall tana project having seen it through its iterations and very recent or more recent growth within the singer ecosystem. I've really come to appreciate the value of positioning of a technical project. When dowie made the initial pivot act may twenty twenty to really focus on milano being a fantastic way to run singer taps in targets. Nothing changed from the base wants that was published. But that's when the detraction started to happen people started understand. Oh this is solving a particular need within the singer ecosystem and of course you know. Since that day we've continued it rate on the code base. The even better but even with the interpretation of the singer spec that i mentioned some of the blog posts that we've had the value of documenting things in communicating about them in a way that makes sense connects with the problems that people are having their day to day. Work is really powerful. And i think i under appreciated it as a data engineer and i'm valuing it a bit more in my case a year ago when i decided to kinda give it to meltdown. Ob specifically product for building running in deploying singer pipelines. I knew that there was more to singer community ecosystem people graded credits for but over last month's since we have been building out the in the hub and getting involved with organizations that unbeknownst to us have been using singer for years maybe incite their products. No one would ever know we're consulting firms that having been building price on top of it. I think surprised and faculty surprised to find a lot of consulting firms that have been building their internal tooling around senior already and are now rallying around this tool set that we are building and pooling. Their efforts bringing their experience bringing contributions Hub and these were people that i didn't really realize were part of the scenery ecosystem until a couple months back and similarly when we started scraping up to find out. How many connectors really are. We were surprised to find that there are over two hundred unique connectors for different sources and destinations debts. Technically any Afford singer connector supports from day. One of course we don't know the quality levels of all of these and there might be a couple that haven't been updated for the latest. Api versions of various. Thanks but if you realize that most close source data integration tools have libraries that top out around one hundred and fifty defect that the greater senior community. Which has been written up for debt by some people as managed to build more than two hundred twenty. I think by our latest counts. Different connectors over. The last two years is really impressive and it speaks to defect. Dad's dare something there with the singer. Protocal the senior community and this way of addressing the data integration problem where despite the lack of attention tests received over the last two years it has still become as widely deployed end successful as it is today and through us gives us a lot of confidence that we make the right decision to bets on singer embrace singer and use that energy that still existed within the community system then run with it basically because we think it has not lived up to its full potential yet but that potential is bigger than i even could have predicted a year ago and one of the cases where the singer ecosystem or the multi platform are the wrong choice for data integration. And you might be better served using either a bespoke solution or some other you know maybe stream oriented approach other platforms for building. These data systems as. We've been talking through singer and montana in talking about the fact that it is. Decentralized ecosystem of individual open source projects and at the quality isn't always consistent even notices something we're addressing. All of this means that you will want to be relatively technical forcing Tanno to be gut's solution to the data integration problem new half. You need to be comfortable working with individual opens for projects. Get how you run them locally. You might need him some dependencies. You might run into a stack trace and you'll want to get to find out that you miskel figured something right now. The level of polish that we know we can accomplish with the decay and with donna Quite dairy it's indicates of all connectors. There's a number of connector said are supported by meltdown mode have been kinda certified and faust for by our user community. You should expect relatively few issues using dose but in general you want to be at least software development inclined for this to be a great fit but then if you are is going to be an amazing fifth because you'll feel comfortable forking something. Dad functionality doesn't currently half updating some library to app support his tortoise property had been implemented yet. and you'll feel comfortable using the decay to build new connectors on top of his form of gives. You incremental replication stream selection and logging and metrics. While if he worked right accustomed by script for every combination of source and destination. That's gonna be a lot of work to replicate that's kinda surrounding functionality. And you're going to have that internal in house maintenance burden as opposed to building against the standard which means you can open source and crowd source. That's maintenance support from the wider community. If you're not comfortable self hosting up that's from like this if you're not comfortable setting it up locally cli and some demo files that you'll check into a gift. Radio is not the right choice right. Now we think that s deep polishing ecosystem. We will also start focusing more on the ui aspect of meltdown. No for those users who are more comfortable pointing kicking in a browser rather than running realize locally and like i mentioned earlier a year or so from now will probably look into having a hosted sedition as well and a death points even less technical data analysts someone who is more comfortable pointing clicking reports and dashboards together will also be able to use montana and singer and get access to massive library of connectors today. Dose users are probably better off with some of the more traditional hosted tooling at gifts. You weigh less flexibility at the advantage of less technical expertise needed to get starts. Are there any other aspects of year plans for the near to medium term of mellado and the singer. Sdk and milano hub and the overall growth of the ecosystem that we didn't discuss yet that you'd like to cover before we close out the show. One of the things. I want to highlight is. We published a blog post called. What our vision for. The future of montana in there are some high level. Things that within autonomous itself that we wanna do. And i won't go over all of those but kind of some of the obvious. Things like cre- monitoring our data lineage. Things we have that publish we also have a roadmap on the website as well highlighting kind of a month by month and quarter by quarter as time goes on what we're going to focus on and i think we highlighted really in this conversation that big things around singer in the ecosystem. We're gonna keep putting resources into developing the hub to be a fantastic way to discover these apps targets. And we're gonna do that in a way that really collaborative with the community. If there's something that they wanna see people have suggested rating system potentially even potentially comments like how that goes but we wanna make it a d. destination to find out what exists out there than tied in with s. st k. That's the benefit of of us being able to build these things as we can make them have a strong connection and one really benefits the other. So we mentioned the batch message or high throughput extension to the protocol but really it's just a separate company but we have the resources to really make this ecosystem. What would it should be what was promised to be in a way that supports ecosystem and also enables milano to be really successful open source open core project so i would definitely just highlight the vision blog post on our blog as well as the roadmap within our documentation on the website. One thing i want to add to that just to make clear because we're talking about the senior ecosystem. Of course also talking to montana which we believe is the best way to run singer base five times but singer still exists as kind of an independence standards that a lot of these connectors have been written to support and a lot of different systems exist behind the scenes use singer to powered integration and we wanted to continue to beat at way. We don't necessarily need to own singer. We wanted to improve the singer. Ecosystem but the hub has been written also a programmatic interface for getting meta data ends information on these various steps in targets that can be consumed by any platform that supports singer based connectors. We want singer to be continued to be the defacto standard for open source connectors whether you end up running those with our orchestration running solution donna. Or whether you implement them somehow into your own infrastructure or use some competing products that has also decided to use singer. So that this connector library is available. Whatever your choice of tooling to run them becomes ultimately we all benefit from having a massive massive library of high-quality connectors for data sources and destinations. And we don't want that to be meltdown. Oh specific which is part of the reason why we have decided to focus on lifting up singer rather than establishing our own protocol from the start will for anybody who wants to follow along with the work that you're all doing and get in touch and contribute to the ecosystem. We'll have you each preferred contact information to the show notes and as a final question i would like to get your perspectives on. What you see is being the biggest gap in the tooling technology. That's available for data management today. So recently i gave a talk at coalesce. Which is the user conference that the fish down team that manages. Ddt puts out and that talk was focused on your data team. A product team and the idea behind that that talk originally was data. Teams are kind of stuck in this service model that doesn't really serve them well as professionals and it really doesn't enable data teams to show the value that they truly can generate for business or foreign organization and this ties in technology. Because i think a lot of the tooling that exists for data teams. Today is very focused on one specific aspect that solves it. Immediate problem doesn't really take a kind of a full look across the organization to how everyone is using data and interacts with information within an organization. So one of the reasons. I was excited to join. Mel tano is as we believe. Montana can be a tool that helps data teams to run better to run more like product teams and to collaborate better across the entire organization. We believe a lot of that comes down to. Having a lot of software development best practices integrated into the product so having continuous integration based on file that everybody can collaborate on. Whether it's an you know get hubbard. Get lab having different environments that you can test out whether you're your data. Transformation pipeline is going to work having good observability across the entire data life cycle. These are problems that are being solved in isolation but it creates this very disconnected hub of different pieces of software that everybody in the the companies using and maybe the manager uses this one tool to look at the health but really the engineers are an airflow and they're not really talking to each other. It creates this kind of mess so we won't be kind of a broad tool to help level up data teams across an organization to help them. Think about how are they delivering for their internal customers their colleagues. Are you delivering insights. That help move your organization forward. So it's partly a people problem. And i think we hope to through mel tano being fantastic product to really change. The landscape of how data teams are organized funded and as well as the tooling that they use. It's a religious level up the data profession so that day professionals one have have the respect that they deserve because their capabilities and their skills but also that they're providing the value that they absolutely can delivering great insights for organizations to make better decisions. That's something that i'm super excited about. I think we can really achieve that with multi. No all right. Well thank you very much for taking the time. Today to join me stephanie. A very interesting ecosystem in an important project. The earl working on and definitely excited to see the amount of energy and excitement. 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God of War Ragnarok, Wolverine, and Spider-Man 2 Wow Us At the PlayStation Showcase - Podcast Beyond!

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God of War Ragnarok, Wolverine, and Spider-Man 2 Wow Us At the PlayStation Showcase - Podcast Beyond!

"Beyond an hello everyone. My name is jonathan bush and this is a very special live episode of podcast beyond where we are reacting right after the playstation showcase that we just saw the first proper playstation showcase since late last year This was intended to give us a look ahead at what's to come for the ps five and the piece for a little bit. I we have a lot to dig into so without further. Do let me introduce the rest of my cast. I'm joined this week by brian. Altana snick snicked bub. Oh god r- already there Lucy o'brien is also with us on this. This week's episode. Thank you for being the noise. Snick it is nick. Yeah yeah of course. We're we're referring to alan. Wake here but we'll get to that in a bit. We're also joined this week by matt. Kim i almost just called you. Alan wake hello matt. Classic alan wig. No we there wasn't elderly trailer in the show. But we do actually have a lot to jump into. I do wanna get sort of like brief overview thought and then want to jump into some of the specifics so brian i'll start with you just like very top line very quickly. What did you think of the showcase overall It took a little while to get going. But then i think they really hit the pedal to the metal for the last twenty minutes not including the card game which i wasn't interested in all the games that they are announcing towards the vitamin to wolverine. More war just lots and lots of really great stuff. That's that's what i'm looking for. And they delivered their so. Yeah yeah lizzy. What about you. How'd you feel about it. Yeah i mean. It didn't help that. There was a lot of hype. There are people saying. Oh sony's this is gonna be the biggest shore for sony blah blah blah blah blah. So i think for me personally. My high levels will vary high inside because it started off kind of slowly. I was like. When is this going to start. You know when is the show gonna stop ns. but then. i'm looking for a nort's for what was actually showing off. And ultimately. I think it was a really strong shore. I mean like yes it did take a while to get to the heavy hitters but like there was some fantastic stuff sprinkled through. This is spoken ellen. White remastered ghost. Why tokyo. I mean there were a lot of good things among the big talking points as well. Yeah i feel like it's definitely safe to say in the beginning we all i. At least i felt a lot like the you know not gonna lie. Almost had me in the first half sort of mean was where we were kind of at for for the beginning. But it really got going map before. We jump into specifics. Just want to get your overall thoughts as well. Yeah it finished super strong and to sort of wrap it all together. The the ending of the show was sort of a a playstation studios. I party update. We finally got a first looks at game for god of war surprise. It's called god of war ragnarok and a few other things but i want to start with the insomniac of at all because we got to confirmed insomniac games here and i just kind of want to set the groundwork right now insomniac. Since being acquired by playstation for the ps five has done ratchet clank ripped apart spiderman. Miles morales nps five update for spiderman remastered Now we're getting Two games from them you know. We're getting wolverine and spiderman too. I think you know to go back to brian. you're opening let's start with wolverine. I think we can all attest. I was a giddy little child when that trailer came up. what was your sort of reaction to it. I mean it's fantastic. I think you just nailed it to an insomniac is is not handedly holding up the ps five right now. But they are doing a lot of heavy lifting This is awesome. We haven't had like a dedicated wolverine game in quite some time we were talking before the show about the time game that came with the wolverine movie that most people didn't like but the game itself was really cool This feels like aesthetically. Exactly what i want. From a wolverine game it's obviously a little bit bloodier than the last few insomniac games. You saw the clause pop out a. We've already been sort of digging through a lot of specific little details here. The cash register has nineteen seventy four on. It took me a minute to realize that's when the character was created There's a license plate. That says holck h. l. k. So i feeling burned me pouring through this this little teaser for awhile. It does feel like this is always off which is fine. Take your time. i'm really happy it's happening I i'm hoping it's a an open world ish game There's this allows them to get into a lot of the grittier darker corners of the mc you or the marvel marvel licenses and properties that spiderman doesn't necessarily touch on it as being slightly campy your thing so i'm tremendously excited for this. This is one of those perfect pairings. When we heard a couple years ago about marvel kind of opening up the vaults companies being able to make games you know. I think we're all sort of like. Yeah but when are we going to an expert gamer. wolverine game Like i have an excellent game running on my arcade cabinet right. I'm so excited for that. So yeah i don't wanna hog the air but this is this to me. Is the biggest announcement this show by far. Oh no please we can. I can talk about this the whole show. Yeah i am x. Men is like my foundation for comic books. And superheroes like it is what got me into marvel and comic books. In general it is the thing i most associate to a out of that universe or any of those and the fact that insomniac is doing it after they proved what they could do with spiderman is just it's perfect. It's it makes me so happy like it is hard for me to contain composure. Because i just like oh yes of course keep giving them marble games. Because they've proven they can knock it out at the park on every level This is real exciting. I'm with you. I hope it is a little bit more darker grittier than spiderman. Let's us explore some of those corners of the universe. Lucy what did you think about this announcement also just you know in conjunction with what insomniac is putting out these days. Yeah i'm with. You don't are like i x. Men were micromax as well. When i was growing up and i very very intrigued to see what they do with his character. I mean we've really only had a set of singular. I mean outside. Of the cartoons. Back in the day we've only really had huge ackman's logan in our To represent the wolverine character outside of the comics for so long. And so this is gonna be really interesting said of case study. I think that they did in some Job with pita pockets with vitamin and. I'm very curious where they're going to take this character. I mean obviously it will be adopted game. It has today because logan is daca character. But it's going to be separate from the hugh jackman character and and standalone as pita pocketed from any number of the cinematic spike's. So as as much as i'm looking forward to what they're doing with gang play. I'm really excited to say how they're going to actually bring this character to life in. Who's gonna full him. Yeah i'm i'm very curious about that. You're you're totally right like. He's such a storied character but in sort of like the modern consciousness. It's hard not to think of hugh jackman is wolverine sort of uncanny valley happening with gardens the galaxy trailer which we just saw earlier too. So you're i think you'd hope i hadn't even thought of that. Lucy you're right. Yeah it's it's gonna be really interesting to see that matt. I want to get your reaction to it but also just in general like do you think this is. I think they're going to you. Know somehow tie these things together. I don't think it's going to be separate but do you assume we're kind of getting insomniac marvel universe now. Oh yeah. I mean. I think the the the doors are wide open right. You like you give them spiderman you give them you give them all reno who's next is obviously a real question now because there could be a possibility. My biggest question though is honestly like what. What's the style it'd be like is going to be like an open world. Sandbox you wolverine game. Where is it going to be a little more linear l'amour l'amour story driven. You know or single player esque right. So i'm really curious about about that move. Yeah it's hard to imagine you know they do have their open world for spiderman. But it's kind of weird to think. Oh yeah we'll have an open. World is wolverine. Is he just running around the streets of manhattan. Kind of huffman it through like. That's not what you want out of at least not khalifa. He can leap he can. Yes not as much as hope but he can leave. He's got sick motorcycle too so he's very there could be. There is motorcycle tech and the playstation studios family with days gone. So maybe they can marry that with wolverine and we can see what happens We all know that's how video games get made exactly motorcycle paste it and assuming that it takes place in new york and spiderman swinging in the back of the game. I mean for me. It's i think you are someone else's pointing out the goodman street Someone on the staff has pointed out that that's a reference to former marvel. Ese possibly but like greenwich street is mentioned there. So like i assume at least some of this is set in new york. Right right I don't know the specific diner. He may be sitting up. Ryan may be. Perhaps you know better than me. Diner from seinfeld star. It's the same. It's i think it's a setup for that. I honestly in greenwich village of no. Of course we're we're seeing a little bit of game from the spiderman trailer as well which is worth pointing to because as you were saying. We don't have released eight for wolverine. We don't really have to full the scope of where it is in production but marvel spiderman two. I'm calling it for now until we get another title is coming in twenty twenty three. We got that released at brian. A thirty i. What did you feel about getting you know a couple years from now. Release date for this it you know. I guess it's it's refreshing because everything's been twenty twenty two for all of twenty twenty one so it's cool. They shake it up. Throw in twenty twenty three out there. I had actually thought of that year yet. I know naturally it's coming but that's not really i. I've been so focused on. Like how do we get the big games this year. So many games q. One next year Personally i'm just. I'm really happy that they're they're finally not finally. But they're they're doing venom I remember we we. We'd theorize about this for a very long time. I think everybody this is a natural progression for these games right but it's it's also just awesome that see these two spider-man's or spiderman team up you know. Hopefully that's something that we're going to see in movie form soon but also in twenty twenty three. Hopefully we'll get the switch between those characters on the fly so that'd be awesome. Yeah according to the playstation blog it is marvel spiderman too so again it feels like a good marriage of of what come so far luciano. We've talked about it. We interviewed the director of miles. Morales last year. And obviously we've been talking about spiderman since the initial release Where was your excitement level for it after seeing the trailer and kind of knowing we've got miles we've got peter and murray seem to be getting a bit of a darker tale from them as well. I mean yeah. We didn't see much story aside from little flashes you know vinny mc sitter. One thing that i'm kind of interested in is if you can switch between the two characters does that mean that. There's a potential slugged lack of two player experience. Because that would be extremely cool if you could have had one play miles Peter and they've got different skill sets. That could be really exciting but again you know this this to me is more like okay. I'm really interested in a deep dive on the game. Play that we saw. I haven't had a chance to really watch it again since we just saw it. But i think there's a lot to us of crunch into him. Team is currently pulling together a trailer breakdowns lookout for that. But yet you know look i. I love both spider-man's and i'm extremely extremely start fought for this one end that particular team. I wanna see more of the dynamic between miles of pita life. I love their relationship. I wanna see more of a mile. Obviously without spoilers really came into his own at the end of his story. And so. I'm excited to see the two of them. Were kind of both sure headed spiders ban being able to take on enemies together. I do want to point out the playstation blog post for spiderman confirms that the original candyman himself. Tony todd is voicing vent why would really cool and got a voice. I mean we heard a little bit of the trailer. That was great. Yeah we we got a little bit of voice in the trailer mad. I do want to get your thoughts on it we. We were talking a little bit as the show. Was going on the teaser. It felt like obviously there's veneman their receive atoms face. It felt like there might be points to craven the hunter as well. Maybe in there. Maybe that's just us reading into things. It's hard to say but Where were you sort of like at the end of that trailer your expectations for for a new spiderman adventure. Where does it set you off on that level. I mean i was saying when we when we're talking about the show. I'm pretty confident that we heard two different bill invoices in that trailer. And i think the first one is craven but that will leave that for the trailer breakdown. putting together i. You know i'm excited. I i know kind of already takes nexans. Insomniac has already made two very good spiderman game. So i'm going to be honest. Like i was not surprised only because i know i knew spiderman was always in the cards and i of always expected this team. I kind of always like venom was going to be in. It's actually. It's just nice seeing it but i we already kind of got the pieces together for this. You know as you said we knew they were going to be big things in the show and we did. We did get a big thing here but yeah it's it's very cool to see that all confirmed twenty twenty three makes sense. I don't know how you feel. I was trying to. I was really going through this before the show of like. I feel like we might see spiderman but it just didn't seem like it would make sense for next year because putting out horizon god of war and spiderman in a single year just kind of feels like a little like overkill like spreading things out. Seems like a good idea but yes especially for a council that you still cannot buy and that there were no announcements on that being any easier and that we know from chip shortages Which still does sound like a the name of a seventies baseball player. Then we might not be able to buy this council or the average consumer might not be able to get it for a while so twenty twenty three is maybe the same day you'll be able to finally walk into target in get a ps five. Who know it's definitely a good time for people. And i will say we're going to have to go to a break in a little bit so i wanna say full sort of of war thought because i think that's the next thing to jump into after this of course but you know. I have been so impressed by what until next done since. They officially joined the playstation family. I i believe it was twenty nineteen. I think it happened like right around games. Come that year and just them continuing to knock it out of the park like this. I love that they've got this corner of a marvel universe. Maybe lucy just wrap up with you. You know we've seen a few more playstation acquisitions. recently. I feel like you know. Insomniac has more than proved their mettle. Do hope we continue. See other things from them or use like. Where do you sit in terms of them being like a marvel house versus the other ingenuity. Dc from them. That's interesting honestly. I was just thinking about that. I mean it was a moment with someone said you know when we were talking on up among ourselves during the shore and someone was like Infamous you know. And it's it's it's sort of like this. It would be nice. I mean i know. Infants sucker punch It would be nice to see more of that kind of original style. I ip combat. I do i do love. I do love that. That we have these properties now but it would be great to see Insomniac in particular be able to flex a little bit outside of the the model properties. That will say i mean they making sunny motor money right now and and maybe a proviso okay. After this one you know you have to spy can go out and make something completely ritual the the one for me one for you. Sort of methodology eggs yeah. I'm really hoping we get to see them. Do stuff whenever. Ps to becomes a thing because they've done vr work before. And i'm hoping that we can get to see a little bit from them But quickly before we go to break. Brian matches any sort of last on the insomniac sort of you know big centerpiece moments from today's show. I mean i'm a little split. Because i love lucy's saying about like getting kind of those games that aren't on based on billion dollar reputable recognizable. Ip's but on the flip side. She's right they make them so much money. And it's like why they're not gonna reach for the off brand cereal bags of the bottom and they get the big stuff on the shelf so yeah. I don't know i. I'm glad they're sticking with what works spider-man's awesome wolverines going to be great and i. Yeah i'd love to see more strange stuff from them in the future. But until then i'm happy with marvel games being good again doctor. Strange i was gonna say like lightning round before break who what marvel characters should they take next if they continue to go down this markle train. You guys go. i don't do that. Gambit gambit gamut gambling. I'm going to say. I believe he was an x. Men called maggot where he just had to weird maggots on his arms and that was all he was a weird i remember him from the exiting the company anyway. I'm say towed. Larry anyway we've got to go to a break but we'll be right back with more to talk about including god of war regular. Please stay tuned. We'll be right back. Hello and welcome back to podcast beyond i'm your host. Jonathan bush joined by brian. Lucy and match talk about everything. Going on in this very packed playstation showcase We just got done talking a little bit about the insomniac of it. All with wolverine and spider man to now. I'm focused too. I think the other major major. I party reveal which was of course. Finally not just the name reveal. Which i think it's fair to say none of us saw coming whatsoever But also some gameplay four the newly announced god of war ragnarok rock. I'll just give you all a minute to deal with the title. I know how are y'all feeling good okay. Obviously got four. Ragnarok was teased sort of title for this game for quite some time. Leaked in cody document than not really officially announced etc etc but obviously has very strong ties in norse mythology and to the horror film franchise But i wanna talk really about you know. We're getting a really big chunk of game plan here Let's start with just like overall alternate brian. What did this sorta deep dive look do for you. And what were you most excited about seeing. I think that obviously this sort of new car smell has worn off a little bit for this. It's not exactly like that. You know the big momentous giant moment of finding out that they're making a brand new got oregon. It's it's more of a thing we loved which obviously you know that you take that down a step still amazing amazing news The last game left with some really interesting kind of doors open Which i guess they dive into right here and also like i just one of the most powerful and sort of like personal stories that we've seen in like a big triple aaa action game at no very very long time and there's a lot to explore there and you know this is a sort of like a. Hey all your friends are back kind of thing right. There's a lot of characters in this game in this trailer that we saw from the first game. There's some new mechanics that we're seeing obviously But there's also like some some new enemies from new characters. I think this is going to be just one of those sort of quintessential bigger better bolder. Sort of sequels. And i think for a lot of people. That's that's exactly what they want. Yeah we we get more of the game play. Combat lies some experts I really loved if you're watching the video version These sort of showcase of this civilization area like an actual village sort of locale because love of the world with the first game but it is a very desolate world. It is sort of a lot of structures and the sense of life in the areas. Not quite the same. This feels like there's a there's a bit of a civilization civilization going on here. There's there's more to sort of expand the cast for them. They'll be hubs right. Yeah what we're getting from all those which is cool totally and yeah. We continue to see credos. Entry is fighting to get there. I think fair to say full for the end of god of war. If you have not finished god of war this trailer reveals the thinking like you know twists from the end of god of war. So i guess you know. Don't watch the if you don't know baluchi what was what was your sort of overall. Take on what we saw before. Jumping into some specifics. Yeah i mean like. I agree with brian in so far as it is the first time we saw it. It was such a departure the departure from what we knew god of war was and this is more of more of the same but it's very much in the same universe in the same characters etc etc but one of the things that i love so much about You know that god of war that looks to continue in this one is relationship dynamics and characters and and that sort of thing i love them returning. I love that the the story line is very much a continuation. So that sort of revenge. Plotline still Freia it's still really. I'm just looking forward to kind of seeing more those characters and that story for me. That's that's where. I'm maya excitement lies i mean again. It's kind of one of those things where i need to watch it one more time to take a look at will visit of new kind of gameplay that we saw but i definitely didn't need a big departure from the formula that was already established for sure. Yeah i think there's so much they got right with that first one and it's just sort of about wanting fine tuning and finessing in extrapolation of what. They're a matt. Obviously brian lucy. And i were all we were on podcast beyond at the time. got was coming out. You're not at idea. And at that point so i don't know your full history with this scott or anything but i guess where were your your accent levels before this. What did you feel about the trailer. Yeah i mean i am. One of those people came along to god of war with this incarnation. you know. The original original playstation games didn't really do it for me. And then i saw this. It was really narrative-driven and it really just ran with a series and just took over. And that's where. I came along. And so i'm really excited. I'd be like. I had the opposite reaction to spiderman where spiderman two i was like yeah i- hundred percent expect spiderman. I kinda understand expected what we're gonna see But god of war to just is they look like they're taking directions with the civilization stuff right and i just get excited. When cradles punches things when he was punching that sent tour in the in the cut. That's a little it the yeah. The the looks at the combat. And i'm just going to say it the fact that they're highlighting he still has the blades of chaos. He still hasn't leviathan axes. He's using those in tandem again. There's a lot of like gruesome monsters and things that he's fighting in the trailer. Brian as a fan of the creature work of the star. Wars universe. I just wanted your sort of overall impression on the enemy variety that we've seen the combat aspects of what we got here because the first game you're fighting a lot of drugger you are. Yeah i mean there's there's some sort of big sort of giant troll characters defied early on and then you fight them kind of repeatedly throughout the game up but the game did get interesting in terms of creature design and a of monster ascetics which is a big thing. I love and video games and it seems like it's continuing here. That's what i love like. I think that one of the things that was sort of missing from the old old games was that sense of scale to the point of you know climbing up a giant god's hands or something like that and you know stabbing in the guy that that thing that shadow the classes did so well and so i. I hope they get that a little bit here. Obviously you had moments of that in the last game. But i there's there's a great opportunity to ramp that up more and more here But also like the combat was just phenomenal on the last game and it scaled really well to people who really wanted to get into it. You know they were the sort of alka fights that you could go in and play like you're playing a from soft games a and just really go high level or you could just kind of stick to the main path and just fight through grunts in some bosses so i think there's going to be a lot of variety here when it comes to that kind of stuff. Yeah and for those out. There know that there's no shame if you also come into really difficult lizzy i want to talk a little bit about. Also the the sort of environmental scope this trailer. Obviously you know with ragnar rockets. The idea of winter's coming and all of that. There was sort of a bit of a varied nature things in the first game because he went to different realms but it is hard to tell your like are we going to be realm swapping are we not. What was your impression of. I think like the locals embassy from the trailer and you know we. We see a lot of wintry areas supper like civilization based violate the riverside. And everything do you. Do you want something that goes pretty varied or like how how centralized you think it may be to one or two realms if you had to guess based on what we've seen totally off the cuff. I mean i'm going to kind kinda see that in a little bit of a different duration in that. I'm pleased that it looks like they're keeping this open linnea nature of the of the original. I'm just gonna say original because it was raybird you know so you felt like there was lots to explore in there was but it wasn't open weld and every single pot of it felt very purposeful in that way from soft games through that as well they should have feels like lawyers to explore lots of cool secret areas in the ob. But you'll still sort of on a moral lists linear path and that to me is kind of these days my favorite type of game. You know. I like. I like areas. That is sort of like okay. You can go here. You can go there and you can't go but this a busy path that you're obviously meant to go on. I i think that the variety of environments we will hear look right. I'm just really storks that it looks to me again. I know i'm a berko wants to be a continuation of of what we used to see. That genre should get a title look. I'm sure like every single developer. Who makes this has their own version of that type job i'm gonna say a linnea openness linnea at eight hours of day to play games. Every genre eventually gets it's weird portmanteau. We'll probably get there at some point. I'm unfortunately We're we're having a little bit of technical difficulties are actually going to have to wrap up the show in a minute. I know this is a bit of a surprise to the gas. But don't want to risk in issue and have the show crash out halfway through us so just very quickly because i obviously there was a lot more in the show and we'll we'll dig into things in the next episode of podcast beyond but of everything else shown off just to maybe quickly pull a few things that you enjoyed brian. What did you. What else was there in the show that you really enjoy just to wrap off quickly. I mean for me it was. It was the marvel stuff and got war. The big ones that means those. Those are the sort of like the big the big three for me. There's obviously going to be more down the line But star wars is really nice surprise to and that's a playstation exclusive and. We didn't really get to get into that one. But i think that's that's going to be a really really big game. The game's hard to revisit. So i'm excited to try the remake. Yeah couture for those since. We didn't mention couture's coming console exclusive to us five at launch plus. Pc very exciting. To see that remake announced lucy. What about you sorry. it's to. I know that right but like if i'm being honest i haven't played that game for for many many years. I'm so excited to actually play a remake so it will be like the game. I remember just heats beta. I hope so too. Especially 'cause i don't remember the game at all so it will probably keeps better regardless for me matt. What about you really no not really cool things japan from what i saw tokyo ghost wire in for spoken both really great Trailer is now looking for. It's both of them yet. For spokane looks really cool in the latest trailer. We saw we of course did get this. Why are tokyo trailer We got another deathly trailer. Just before launch they managed to come in more showcase and a bunch of other stuff that will be covering all on jian dot com youtube.com/ignbeyond. All of our podcast beyond probably next week is going to be devoted to everything else that we didn't get to catch up on this week but brian lucy and matt thank you so much for joining for this week's episode short but it was blasted with all you and get to talk about it right now. So thank you all for joining and thank you to everyone out there who washed along with us which the slide show. Thank you so much for joining us. 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Interview with a New Age Christian  Luke Lintz  NAC:40

New Age Christianity

47:48 min | 2 years ago

Interview with a New Age Christian Luke Lintz NAC:40

"Halo as Christian family this is Austin Fletcher. You're listening to the new age Christian podcast and this is episode number forty so today I have Luke Lintz in the house. Yes he is a spiritual son of mine and <hes> young man. I've known for about five years. <hes> when I first met Luke I met him at a another church catch <hes> full of great people and he was a great place and <hes> he and I had kind of a spiritual connection from the beginning he tells a little bit about his story a dream dream he had about <hes> when he first met me and <hes> there is a lot of good stuff in this episode that I honestly was surprised some of his answers to my questions whereas some of my favorites yet and Luke I appreciate your time and I appreciate your friendship brother. So I hope the rest of the New Age Christian family you will really enjoy getting to know Luke and <hes> this is one of those things that as we build this community there is variety and Luke is one one of the best guys here we are. We are there in another interview with a new Christian. We have Luke Lintz here with us today. Say Hello Luke Alot so <hes> Luke is a spiritual VIRTU son of mine and <hes> one of these days. I need to do episode on spiritual fathering. I don't know if I've ever done that <hes> but <hes> so luke has been in my life for what are we five years now. Yeah probably around five years so <hes> we met at a church. I went followed all the by the Holy Spirit <hes> I went and spent a Sunday at a particular church in town and Luke was there met him ended up. You ended working with <hes> the company I was with Stone Yeah for. I don't know a summer or something like that and <hes> in that time working together. Also you the other church. You're at star develop relationship and then. I don't know just kind of kept going. Yes so the way that I met Austin. It was actually quite interesting. Go ahead so so go all the way back to the dream. All that's right yeah yeah. We definitely have to go there <unk> awesome so the dream that I had with Austin in it was <hes> exactly one year before I met him. <hes> in the dream. I I saw <hes> Lake Michigan and I went over and saw a whole bunch of church kids. They're all trying to go off the dock and walk on on water you know and they were just falling in and after that happened it was like satellite view of the Earth is spinned and then it went in and immediately. I saw a river and I was on the other side of the river. <hes> in three people on sleds is there like dog sleds and they were pushing themselves that came to the river and pushed off and walked behind their sleds across the river on the water the two left that were with Austin and at the time. I didn't know that it was him right but he came up to me and he said you can do this to you. Just have to get your head out of the way an exactly one year later to the day. I have written down. I met with Austin. We were having lunch together. Yeah Work Yeah and he said the same thing as he did. In the dream and immediately the dream came back and everything after that I just knew the he was he was special and some would say I'm special for sure special. Yes so yeah it was. I'll never forget so yeah we met at the Church and then you came and worked with us. It was like maybe the second or third day at work and we were yeah. We're having lunch and I said did you can do the to get your the head of the way and you your face like your draw up the joy or like just said that and so then you pull out your phone and you had you had written down the dream <hes> and you're like when I had that dream and you're like oh my gosh. It's a year ago a year exactly and the the other two guys in that dream were relatively symbolic in the sense of there was a season with a couple of other guys at at the company. <HES> and they're no longer really in your life but but I am so so it's I I've <hes> I don't think I've done it episode on dreams yet but for those who know me well they know that dreams is a massive part of my journey and my communication with Spirit so actually really that's really cool that that story it's there are so many stories like that when two people at least in my life when repaired pay attention to dreams so thanks for reminding me of that a toilet <hes> so. I have a few questions that I kind of ask everybody and then you know everybody's nobody's unique as well and I'm sure we'll get into some unique things about you. <hes> I've been wanting to have you on the podcast for the variety of understanding that like I've had everywhere from married counselor you know I've had grant portia son here who's sixty five years old and he's not sixty. I don't know these are sixty five. How old are you. I don't know I think he's in his sixties <hes> and <hes> and then you've got <hes> I've had a Kaley on here in Ron and and and the variety of people that are new age Christian right and so luke described yourself for the audience for those who don't know you. How would you describe yourself. Well dashing. Yes I would say the I am unique in my own right. I mean you think of the fruits of the spirit and that is what manifests in my life. I mean as for the things I like to do. You know just impact people's lives with everything that we've learn together and what I learned my own this a little bit of a hard one for me because I don't <hes> an think think a whole lot of myself all the time but <hes> it's it's. It's not actually a question that I have worded that way with anybody and the the reality of what it means so let's would you call yourself a new age Christian. I would say so yes okay that is so what does that mean to you. What is what is being a new age. Christian mean too so I believe the for me anyway it means the the I live my life intentionally powerfully and Holy Spirit brings me into all truth <hes> and through dude that I have relationships with other people that I would call the church really they're just family I would I would say when you say the church you talked about who you don't you know like our our immediate group. Okay <hes> okay and I mean and I don't really see a whole lot of other people but the rest of the world is the church. It's just about you know relationship levels at this this point sure sure so new age Christian <hes>. What's you know you we met <hes> when we were both quote. Unquote Christians <hes> <hes> what about the shift <hes> stands out to you from Kinda where you used to be to where you are now yeah that <hes> I knew U.. S. question as one of the ones I thought of now everything his changed basically God died and then and then he came back a different way and that is really what happened. I mean I was so stuck in law and alienating myself from God and and naturally to other people because that's the way I viewed him and that is who everyone else is so allow me and that's about as good of a summaries. I've heard yeah I know I think I don't think there's a single person that I know of that calls himself a news Christian that doesn't identify with essentially the death both of their gaunt and the the wilderness season of like what the crap do I do with existence no because yeah I mean there's there's a huge huge thing with this being. That's the the the great other that I call you this this great big other big brother other. God figure that when you realize even just the tip of the iceberg with oneness and with forgiveness and with righteousness justness and all that stuff it it exposes how much bullshit and so then you have to I mean you you you can't it just like there is there is a reality to not just being able to pick out the little bits of Levin. You have to kind of start over yeah. You just throw it the whole freaking thing little leverage Levin's home yeah. You don't get it all then. You're then. You're just back where you were twenty years. From now. I know people who've who've tried they've tried to keep as much as they could of church unity and give it five years and guess where they're still still stuck in church and they may not go to church but they're still they haven't moved forward yeah. They haven't moved forward with any new version of relationship. They are stuck. God is dead but there's no life and there is manifest. I'm I'm on a roll now. <hes> let me just tell anybody listening to this podcast. If you have experienced this like God being dead and you're scared of it and you haven't embraced it then I can almost guarantee. You're still stuck there because you're God died. It's okay MHM. It is okay to let that God go. I promise you you can build a new one. I promise you there is a better one <hes> but that we have such such fear of did I just fuck up my life. Did I just totally screw up everything and his God GonNa Strike me down to my wrong for asking these questions. Am I wrong for doubting what I was taught. What and as long as you stay in that like then you will never give yourself permission to build a new God. That is the one that Jesus tried to build for you so yeah if you're stuck understand what Luca saying God died. It's okay you've probably might and even live a year or two or three without much semblance of God but if you love God a promise you he'll come back. He will rebuild himself in your life. So that's that's really good. I don't think he really has a problem with dying right seems to be all right. So how difficult was it to kind of transition from. How difficult was it to kill God? Oh I it destroyed. Everything thing I mean if you can't watch the video his face just like Supersede Kiko. How difficult was AH sorry? It just made me laugh. It was over nine thousand <hes> I think if I were to pick <hes> the first thing that comes to mind anyway it would be my relationships ended because the you know in order for you to truly you truly get past all the all the bullshit you can't. You can't just forget about it because he's still believe it right. So so right I mean you you have to also have the tools in order to do so so in the beginning it was extremely extremely difficult. <hes> because I was still moving past all of the beliefs that came with what was before and like I said losing on the relationships was just a result of the beliefs changing and because my beliefs changed everyone else around me changed you know around powerful people apple now but I was around powerless people before and I think the sense of being alone was the most gnawing thing at me because our community feels small and unless you're intentional especially for me because I always felt like coming from the performance based system I was consistently stuck. <hes> the the point of of these interviews that people will understand the new age Christians donal just look like Austin right new age cushions. Don't all just look like Haley. They all look like grant though that the reality is is that New Age Christianity is a concept that is still being defined and who's the ones defining it we are right right so <hes> introducing them to Luke who is twenty five four. I'm always one year ahead. Every time I guess <music> so Lucas Twenty four and single right and <hes> bordering that part in yeah single ladies is <hes> born raised <hes> largely Christian <hes> but with some challenges in his household like there are there are things that people who identify with and things that people want to do with I won't identify with but the point is I think a lot of times inside of spiritual community. You get a lot out of <hes> a lot of module out of a lot of the same looking people and I don't. I don't know how to avoid that in the sense of it's not necessarily a goal like we want diversity but I think the genuineness of the truth of New Age Christianity's that it should actually welcome welcome and celebrate and have Altana room for a diverse range of experiences in a diverse range of journeys so <hes> I'm wanting wanting to interview you to simply show people the diversity of this community and <hes> you know. I'm GONNA get mad. If I get a little personal go out so there's a few times we've had these conversations and you've talked about feeling like the black sheep a bit. Oh yeah right uh-huh and around. This community doesn't have a lot of young single people at least here northern Michigan but I I know that there are people who listen to this podcast. I know that there are people listening to podcasts around the country who are in your same shoes in so it is easy to get into this a new community and end kind of think that you're experiencing a very similar challenge as the last community you were right. We all know Oh what it's like to be looked. At little cross eyed where people are familiar with our journey that get scared by the things with the questions we ask that and we've all I mean news Christianity by enlarges a community of black sheet and so to feel like the black sheep in the community of black sheep is to feel like everyone everyone else and I think I think there's a reality to having you on this podcast to express something that it needs to be unlocked in the world is a reality of of journey <hes> especially for the millennial generation and for are those who are still looking for elements of life to to find their way into their life and newest Christianity is is one of those I think the hardest thing was just I mean being the black sheep because I'm a new age Christian. I kind of have an explosion into a lot of other a different belief systems. I mean I I embrace fully. <hes> reincarnate of kind of <hes> life goes on okay <hes> incarnation I mean just as an example but that that in of itself and me being a Christian like how could you believe that. Can you believe in Jesus reincarnation. They're completely right. How can you believe in another life? What was so in in in your journey? Obviously God died which I love <hes>. Did you have any trouble with <hes>. You said you lost a lot of friends yeah tamely to family. Oh that's right <hes> <hes> desire those stories you want to elaborate towards or he just is painful. Isn't it yeah it is and I think that's part of the reason why it's a little difficult as much as I do love them coming out of the family that I was very engrossed in at the time believing things like you know I am God and and all that like dad got me a lot of black I don't know we know but but I believed the Holy Spirit would lead me into all truth and I knew that I it was supposed to go where I grow and I went so what I do. The what did it so I did it. You still growing yeah for sure so <hes> in your obviously the friends and family stuff what about your own like we kind of forget our own fears our own moments where we look in the mirror and we're like dude. You're fully ship <hes> what what was is there any specific belief in Christianity that you found the most challenging to over or to answer not to overcome like L. Those Blazers we're supposed to be thrown away but you know the ones that say to if you go there you're GonNa die like is there anyone that stands out is the most challenging belief that you yourself had to overcome so the most challenging belief is the one that I had to earn my righteousness and I remember Joseph Prints. I don't know if you remember when he really hit the community but he talked about having no no condemnation in Christ I mean I'd never feel like I was in Christ so there's that but if you're me and you kind of feel alone in this as well at some point you're probably on a break because you need community. MHM need each other and as as powerful as Holy Spirit has been in my life to give me all the strength that I need to get through ruff things. There is one thing that there wasn't that that well the of of life you know and and it's because it it comes from other people love and care in in all that C._F._o.. Like I was isolated. I was alone even in the midst of all the things that I believe now in those times I've found that not having all the way to the world on your shoulders to try to you know save everyone and all that helped a lot because no one needs to be safe right and you're only alienated in your own mind so there's that ah so there's that like the entire premise of entire denominations inside incited Christianity dismantled in one concept and this community is like well some of those so there's that we've come a long way yeah. It's pretty crazy the <hes> when people ask you would you believe or you ever get this. Where do you go to church? Where do I go go to church? You know what he tells them. <hes> I mean I'm sorry guys but I miss the community. Call Lot community. Call the monthly one yeah but <hes> it was weekly. That's what you mean because now with monthly. I don't know I wasn't there. No UH CHURCHES WHEREVER I go. I mean you just have to be intentional and I think that's what it's about. What do people can you tell them that <hes> they say things like need to have kind of like a leader pastor in your life in order to the FBI under the protection of God and <hes> to those people I mean if being by yourself itself is your Kryptonite? Your God has failed you because if you're his son eventually one day you'll become a father I mean unless unless you always need someone else so when people ask you obviously you'd say you've self identified as a new each Christian. What are they endear? What when people say well? What do you believe what's kind of your basic overview of Luke's beliefs see I kind of liked the drop hot and and say you know I am God if that doesn't scare them away then I start going into energy and usually by then Dan we get onto topics that we totally agree on because new age believers <hes> are very closely paired with what would I believe for the most part all I believe this usually different as I am and they're still entertaining? I am not and that's usually what I get into. So what is your favorite part about being a new inch cushion freedom freedom liberty and it gets other people matt it really it. Does I mean I don't remember who said it but he said give me liberty or give me death one of the founding fathers I think yeah it wasn't me but that does run for a lot of other people what you go around with notables and dotted auto dot com link yeah it's pretty great but I do have respect and honor and a having my That has made me very <hes> successful in its own way. Where do you get your sense of. What's right and wrong spirit roan and it's not that hard as it no no? It's you think it's like no you need the rules. Well like you know the the nuance of win. Something thing is right and you have the release to do it. It doesn't really matter what the action is and then you can have the most holy action action in the world and it can feel wrong <hes> right. It's so the right and wrong and the sense of right and wrong for anybody who's attuned to spirit and their intuition. Shen it is such an easy way to live really is. It's almost like it's a really light burden and a really simple yoke doc. Oh man do you ever hear the cultural context behind the holyoke concept with Jesus and the Apostles Russell isn't that like the oxygen will yeah but it was actually a terminology for the the set of teachings that Rabbi would have was known as the yoke and it was it was essentially everything I teach is super easy. It's easy to carry and there's more to to it than that but that's a side note little little nugget. Is there anything you Miss About Church Sanity. Let's call it the relationships I had with some of the pastors in my life where some of the most meaningful beautiful beautiful things I've ever had and it's gone. It's gone all of its gone but so by choice or just by circumstance or usually usually it's. It's <hes> by their choice. Men Not my own. Obviously I would be there with them if I could but went a lot of the ways. Those type of people are set up as you know you. You have to be like them in order to be in the club. I'm not all about that or at least the obviously they have very negative version of that and then you have the the the version where it's is so much about their their spiritual journey that if you're not on the same journey <hes> even if you go in peace there's reality of saying look you know. I'm just not in the same land you guys are you guys are exploring exploring. Oklahoma and I'm exploring China like it's just still love you but I'm not even. I'm not even asking the same questions. I'm not going to the same reading the same books folks. I'm not watching the same youtube videos. I'm just not where you're at and I think there's a grace to acknowledging seasons and the beauty of seasons we've talked. We've worked allowed through some of the offenses that that have been there but again. There's a lot of people who said this podcast who can identify you have a lot of especially pastors that that don't know how to handle your journey and because literally think about it these pastors offers and the their spirituality is their profession and so not only is it their spirituality which I think is the core identity for everybody but it's also their surface level identity professionally. It's so's literally if you reach if you do not walk the same journey as them it is very much <hes> was very easy for them to interpret as a rejection of them as a person yeah and that's really what I meant and it's not an and I there is a negative version of that club. I think a lot of us have seen it especially the more mega the church the more club. Shit gets <hes> I know Oh. The churches came from the beautiful beautiful people may and <hes> I think the journey is just if and that's not even from Oklahoma to China. That's more like you're you're exploring. Ohio and they're exploring Michigan like they're really close but there's still far enough apart that the connection hasn't been able to sustain the <hes> the difference in journey which you say and I would encourage any of you listening like in the same way. You probably have some people that were really effective in your life. I know I do and my journey has shifted and it's easy to carry a lot of condemnation because you left them behind or you know you you feel like maybe I should have stayed and showed the more appreciation or whatever another version is a lot of is easy to carry a lot of bitterness and a lot of hurt because you felt rejected or you felt when you did leave they. They didn't have the grace to do it. Well you know I have no plenty people who've left churches and what they've been what the words that were given to them by pastors and stuff were extremely hurtful and so it's it's a little bit of both for everybody but if you can understand the value of seasons in embrace that life keeps going and that there's there's a beauty to you kind of looking back on those seasons. There's not a church that I have left an a proud to say this. There's not a church I have left that I couldn't go back and be received with open arms. There was one church that I left that there was some circumstances around a business venture that didn't go well so there would certainly be some apologies and stuff but as far as the personality and the relationships I know I would be welcomed with open arms and it's Asala people that can say that a lot of people feel like if they went back. Even the very pasture would be the first one to kick them out the door and that's sad that's unfortunate. I mean if you can remain at peace with all people and that's the way I'd I'd do approach things like that anything functionally other than the relationships like any any part of Christianity that you that you miss as far as the ritual in the same year the I loved being included in the sermons that was probably one of my most favorite parts because I'm pretty laid feedback guy and I liked jokes and usually I was a part of one or at the butt end of one. That's okay with me. I loved it and I was. I was <hes> I was a big part of the community too. I did a lot of things for a lot of people and <hes> that was part of the problem. Is that exhibit questions. This is what he missed. The least Gosh there was one time where we had to do a crawlspace job. Okay it was work related but that was my least favorite like doing all the work because I felt like icon out and this is what I actually hated was. I felt like I constantly had to earn my place this and even if you were there. You still weren't there. Do you still feel that way. You feel that way with the newest cushion family community it can be honest. I feel like this is a community that you could leave for a urine comeback and they'd love you just the same. Well actually not just the same but we'll change yeah. We all change so yeah but there's no more or less no. It's just different. That is a I mean. I think if this community is has anything it's it's people who journey yeah right as people who I mean. I'm I've said it so many times. I'M GONNA say it for years that I want even even the belief systems of this community to be built on the assumption that we won't believe the same things tomorrow and that's really hard to build a belief system around around the idea that your beliefs are says aren't a system right other than a few principles about change and growth maturity I did the <hes> episode just aired this week. <hes> towards the end I talked about I wanted to shirt called. Were Newest Christianity. Were mostly wrong because if you think about what you know now what you will know thousand years from now how much how much of it will you keep. My my thought is behind. That is just you know. It's part of your journey me. It's an evolution a spiral of of truth. It's not a linear staircase like the way that you talk about it being comfortable trouble with that but not becoming complacent and being bored with life is probably the most important thing otherwise you adductor settling into that so what is <hes> what finally kind of clicked you over from Christianity Sunday morning church that whole world to where the light do do you go to church so what you mean by that is I do. I go go to Sunday morning anywhere. Okay <hes> No. I haven't for a few years now. was there a season were you. Kinda did sometimes and didn't sometimes and you in the beginning <hes> it was like that and none about where it clicked was when I really believed that I am and that was that was where the rubber meets the road because it wasn't about going goanywhere for truth. Truth isn't me and I wasn't going to church anymore to fill up the tank for the rest of the week. I am the reservoir I am the river and I am life that idea that you like to fill up the tank. There's so many people that just firmly believe. It's the most beautiful concept. Yes you need to go every Sunday to get your tank filled because you don't have rivers of living water water flowing from inside of you there flowing from your pastor into your gullet right right so yeah. I kind of remember that season. It's I've watched a lot of people kind of come out of church. Hannity and I feel like there were a few seasons were you were you wouldn't go for a couple of months and then you would go for a couple months in any kind of warble in and out of of that for. I don't know maybe maybe year and a half in the night kind of remember that season where you really really understood that there was no god to appease over there that God has been appeased and that the truth of what Christ accomplished is inside of view all the time and it is amazing when you when you realize that it's kind of like the <hes> the Matrix yeah as you can't can't <unk> it is it's a self perpetuating system that he'll the humans are the battery for the system that keeps them imprisoned and religion is the battery for the system that keeps you in prison in it. It's it is a as long as you continue in the system alone. It's the system speaks so loudly that you can have all the right answers and that's what we finally figured out what North Point the church that I was at that we could have all the answers but as long as there was you know one person up on stage every Sunday morning saying doing the teaching you were by and large keeping people in that mindset I need to get my my tank filled every Sunday yeah and as long as you had a building that we need to pay for and as long as you head salaries before and as long as you were doing as long as you're only meeting on Sundays or maybe Winston these suddenly church and spiritual everything the head all of these these frameworks these boxes than we go. We'll just no different than your work fits into forty hours a week right and your weekend is Saturday and Sunday. Sunday and you and you have these frameworks build. Your spirituality does the same thing and yet you know the right answer is that you should be spiritual everywhere you go <hes> and so eventually you have to actually punch out the system itself and that system very much keeps. You keeps spirituality like a gas station. Yup It. Does I mean imagine how much money you could be saving not going to Church uh-huh that I that whole mindset of just like okay so I need to go get my guest filled. What if you had a vehicle that ran on solar power all the time you never needed to stop the gestation and that is essentially what spirituality should be yeah and we knew those answers for years but the the system itself kept us from really really living because you still have that mindset that I've got to go be spiritual right now for the next four hours. I'm going to go be spiritual instead of being spiritual all the time. Yeah and part of the problem is that it doesn't really early build anything you just go there and you do the same thing over and over and over again there's nothing new and and yet they try so hard to do things and you need new things in order to be a new creation. You're not going to grow their. I mean eventually come to a point where you're just like everyone else and that's up to you. I know a few people who who still really really love church concepts and traditional church. It is one of those things it kind of baffles me a bit to learn the things that we've learned and then instill go every Sunday morning somewhere and still do the worships and singing songs about the big God over there and I mean it's not like you. Can't you have have liberty. You heard freedom. You just have to know that they don't and they might try to pull you down. It is the the liberty to realized that there is no you know it's one of those things that when you leave religion and you come into a different like a wisdom tradition like new each. Christianity is kind of Visi to slide into this idea that where you just came from now. They're the bad guys they're the ones that are quote unquote wrong and you're just playing the same damn game in a new in a new suit and so you have to understand no you. There's no is just journey. It's the spiral truth so does the Spiro below your level. Is it somehow make people less less worthy of guide right. No no that I I WANNA. I'll never forget the day my wife and I were <hes>. I still will go to church every once in a while. If I feel like I'm supposed to and I felt this one Sunday morning or that. I was supposed to go and she was like I haven't. Why are you still going to church. I have gotten anything on a church in years. I looked at it and I.. He said she said what I said. I've I haven't gone to church in years to get anything out of it. I go to church to give I go to church because I have an assignment. I go to church because because there's something there that I'm supposed to bring <hes> I haven't gone to church in years to get something from it and <hes> that was that was pretty significant via conversation for her. I remember 'cause she. She kind of realized that she had been going to church kind of out of this obligatory like I'll yes. I'll try to get something of the sermon this time and she never did because she she knows a lot. <hes> in our community everyone in this community is pretty well versed in truth and spirituality so it it is it's hard to go to a church and get here's something you've never heard as we've been doing this for frigging real really low <hes> and and if you do great but I go wherever I go is because the spirit within me as leading. There's no more external obligation. There's no more external expectation that I I'm the one on that's got the gas that I can put in your tank if you if you still need that and I have an an lint on unlimited supply of fuel for people and I go to church sh if I do go to bring the fuel with me yeah so all right last question. What sort of impact do you think knew each Christianity should or could have on the world I know now it's changing the world smaller smaller scales than what it could be but it will affect and you can quote me on this it will affect the government it will affect it world hunger and the ways that we view money it will affect <hes> obviously your spirituality <hes> but it goes. Ah Dives further than that. It'll affect whether or not we go into the Cosmos <hes> it will affect everything. I think that there is it's a new age. It's it's here. It's not coming. It's here and there's no stopping I mean unless everyone decided that they wanted to be bound in chains like Dark Ages. You know like <hes> which I don't see powerful people doing at all see <hes> the way that liberty works. Is that the more that you have of it. The greater responsibility ability that there is to you know something with Spiderman. Let's with cree power comes great responsibility yeah got and all it all. It becomes is just humanity actually having heaven on earth. I mean the way that I see things brings heaven on earth in my life <hes> it isn't fully there for me <hes> but there is times even now where I feel it in. That's the way that it will affect the world. That's the way that it is affecting the world and it has completely changed mine and so that is definitely a year where of some of the ideas that are rattling around in this community on on how to affect the world. It's actually a good little spot to if you're if you listen to this podcast and you're someone who wants spirituality to go beyond just the four four walls of a of a spiritual community but actually work its way into the into the world systems in the world way of thought you're in the right group because that has ABSA ABSA frigging Lutely <hes> my passion is to to take these ideas and do something with them. I'm building a couple of different in projects right now and there's one project that is on the back burner that <hes> would truly truly changed the world and there's a few people out there who know which one. I'm referring hiring to and it's it's really just a matter of time before this community finds its groove in into way <hes> an identity that that people can start to recognize and again that is what these interviews are for is to kind of create an identity and and bring out some concepts. I may even think coming up once I get to ten interviews. I may do kind of a best of episode where I just take snippets from different. People's answers and kind of have this is. This is what a new age. Christian looks like two thousand nineteen right and then do that for two thousand twenty and then two dozen in twenty one. I like I like to do these to see what a new age. Christian looks like as time goes on as we evolve and as we understand more and more in his we experience more. It's not just about the mind mental side it's about about what we see and experience and in theory every year should be a little bit different but there should also be a common thread right and so <hes> yeah. I'm going to take a little note on that because I think it's a really good idea. I think everyone's had all these interviews have had different different answers and some of them have been really good that is summit yeah so look any last words. I think that this life is about enjoying it and if you're really looking to impact the world I would say just be you and believe believe for a better tomorrow. That's what I do and that's what I mean. I can't speak for the whole community but I would say that everyone here believes in a better tomorrow and I think doing that is what brings a better tomorrow so it was great a being on the podcast. Thank you so much for the honor of being here thank you. Thanks for coming on sharing your story but I really liked to. A couple of those answers are ones that I'll definitely have on the best of because <hes> some really good good truth came on this episode so is there always is when when you chat Luke's always got a very unique angle at certain questions that I've that I've asked for years but then Luke always always brings out of me things that I didn't even realize that I had been meditating on things that I didn't realize I I quote unquote new and <hes> we spent a lot of time he helped put a new roof on our house this last year and <hes> sightings stuff's. We spent a lot of time working together and just live life together and that's kind of the point I think so love you meant to and <hes> I'm sure we'll this community will hear from you again. Over the years and <hes> we will watch luke build his life one more thing okay. I love you mom. Awesome well as always if you would consider donating and keep this podcast going in the website. The website is almost most done <hes> I may be able to finish it this week. So <hes> that will <hes> have some new things new offerings new <hes> a new look and then we'll be the willing into hopefully some learning classes and maybe even an event. I've started <hes> started rumors around or kind of little around around the around the water cooler talk with reckless pursuit <hes> in the epic about doing maybe an event sometime next year and we we all get together and just have they <hes> newest Christian summit or really to see each other from all over the country so <hes> this is mentioned it. I think this is my second time mentioning it on the podcast castle. There's gotTa be some truth to it right. I've realized that I've just flow with intuition so much that it's it's a kind of exciting to see see where this is going so. I think you so much and <hes> always as always thank you for your time. We know time is valuable and <hes> we appreciate you sharing yours with us. 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Deathloop Is a Masterpiece, and PS5 Gets a Major Update - Podcast Beyond Episode 717

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Deathloop Is a Masterpiece, and PS5 Gets a Major Update - Podcast Beyond Episode 717

"And hello everyone. My name is jonathan bush and this podcast beyond ideas weekly playstation show or refresh off. No that was like a couple of days ago against the playstation showcase was. But we're fresh off the excitement of it so we're still very excited about that. I just read the words. I put in front of me at what's really happening. I'm joined this week by brian. altana beyond lucy. o'brien and special guests met pirlo matt. Thank you so much for joining us. Hi it's could be qualified to say he's the only i just set that up today. We don't always do that by the way you can just say. What are you going to say i. I don't know. I just say whatever brian is i screwed it all up really for everybody either way. We're we're sheep defiance unlocked then we just all say it. It just happens. I would never know. I love them over there. They're wonderful wonderful people and We speaking of we have the weirdest blurring of the lines in quite some time. Our we're talking about a playstation five. I'm leaning out a framework politics. Talking about a police station. Five console exclusive hushed by microsoft because of the bethesda. Ownerships are in a weird place. But we're gonna be talking about death. Loop which matt reviewed and all of us to varying degrees of implying Some of us have some questions for matt. Some of us have some thoughts on the game will jump into that As well as a few other things just also wanted to say thank you to everyone who joined us last week for the live episode which was right after the big place it can showcase we did have to cut things short so i apologize to everyone who didn't live Technical difficulties somehow a half the bay area just like lost wi fi at the same time and so we had a few problems there but thank you to everyone who joined apologies if i sat with like a robot at times because of the technical difficulties but i was really fun show. We've got a little bit of follow up from that showcase some things to talk about. But i think i We should dive into death. Loop which is currently available for ps five and our not going to get too deep into stories photos or anything So if you haven't picked up the game yet or you don't have yes five as they're still difficult to get i don't worry we're we're not going to spoil too much of the experience or anything anything that's in trailers or a review is fair game and speaking of the review. Matt i want to start with you. Obviously people can go check out your review on hygiene and youtube But you really really love death loop and i can see why already from a little bit of flying but do you want to give people just sort of like top level thoughts from your review of what you thought of definite joe like if anybody's already seen that review a ten which obviously we don't hand out light candy cookies right so a considerate. Probably all kinds best game. They've ever made a company. The of made some shockingly good games over the times but a beautifully designed incredibly confidence. Multi-layered kinda systems game this all about being stuck in a time loop and it's a time loop unlike any of the advocacy in a game. The way that it uses that to encourage you to play in all manner of different forms is just absolutely astonishing. Your of you got me so excited. This is a game. I think that our audience. And i think it's fair to say from all of us. We were getting a little bit of fatigue. Just of the fact that it was at every single showcase instead of flay. We're getting trailer after trailer. And i think we've said on the show pretty much like we just wanna play the game. Now we get how cool it looks. We just want to jump in and your review was really really exciting to get to read. I encourage everyone who whether they're jumping into the game or not to check it out. And i'm really glad you got to do it because you're also a huge arcane fan correct. You're a big fan of their previous work. Yeah i've been playing that game so no quite the twenty years. They've been around but my first game with them would have been a Release released in two thousand six. I think which was kind of famous Kick and finally back for death loot if you like kicking things watching men kind of like tumble off cliffs into like icy depths and stuff like that. There's a lot of that in this game as well. But i'm dishonest. Obviously the the games that that probably most famous full. And i think if you like dishonored. There's a law of fat in this game. This is very very stealth focused game and all of that stealth focus. He's kinda here but it's definitely a first person shooter as well with really really good guns so kind of like thou- whole idea of play your own style. Do you wanna be stealth. You wanna be a bit more aggressive. The aggression indefinite dialed up to light fifty. Yeah there's no for some people i know i. It's throw some people off of dishonored. There's no sort of karma meter here correct ee. No yes oh. The beauty of kind of the timely is the everybody's gonna come back the next day so you don't really need to worry about the fact that like your morality is encouraging you to knock people out in height. That bodies in a cupboard in hope that they'll wake up in kind of like four hours and be absolutely fine Everybody on the island. Basically hey you. Hey everybody so just stop them in the back until they disappear like absolutely. That's the way to go until you're does make that. I think the thing with dishonored is because because a lot of people wanna stay with that morality me too unstable very quiet actually stop you from engaging in a lot of that game systems like they're awesome incredible things that you can do in dishonored that require you to kind of get a bit more nasty with the enemies so most people wanna stick to that stealth will just note them out and hide them. And don't engage with any of. This is very much a big part of this goes. Hey you'll never gonna be punished for being like creative expressive in this game. So absolutely have out at like three people in the aaron gun them down like clay pigeons in. That's kind of like the stall solve a huge kind of open very kind of experimental system. This game encouraged easy to use. Yeah there was I saw screen shot from the game going around because there will be sort of like superimposed. Texts are around the world. Does he guided and people are like if you were worried. This was going to be just a purely stealth game and some of the texts that pops up as like kill every mother after a censoring for the good of the kids and it. It's just like oh yeah you can just go all in all out. But you can also stealth around. And there's there's a lot of that interplay that so far at least for my experience has been really fun to to mess with an experiment with but before i before through the rest of cosseted also mention one of the things that complicates that is the the really unique sort of multi-player spin of this where you're typically playing colts or you can jump into another person's game or other people can jump in your game as juliana who is hunting down cult on the island. How much time did you get to spend with that mechanic for your review in. How much have you spent within like. What do you think of it so up to the review like that was the last piece of the kind of game that we were allowed to stop playing with. So i think by the time. It didn't review. It may be kind of like done four or five hours kind of jumping into people's games. It's basically i've done try about nova ten hours sense. It's a very morrish kind of ap activity if anybody's played dog. Souls in of the invasion moved in that by sort of what it's on but whereas dark souls is kind of about kind of those masta. Joel's with someone else kind of seeing. Who's the best swordsman. Ax men Magic fighter definitely is much more about cat-and-mouse light setting obama. She's using the matt knowledge that you've learned over kind of like playing through that campaign Annoying kind of like You'll talk. It's probably gonna be because he jump into a specific time of diana's specific harrier if the island you kind of know what the colton oil in on in that section of the game is probably doing. They probably got their eyes on this target on. Because you know you finish the game before you might have done that section before you can run that you've already learned the secret pathways to get there on you start. Setting obama ambushes Kicks off it's like it's so much fun and even when you lose the stella kind of gratification out of and you know kind of like yeah you didn't live to see another day but you might have got in a few hits which gives you some points and eventually unlocks follow guns juliana in kind of like also we'll drive looks like for the characters so yair is kind of an anecdote generates a is kind of probably what it is but there's also kind of a lot of kind of things to say like look we're gonna reward you because you really small killing him this. Yeah it's i haven't jumped into that side of it yet. Mostly because i. I'm not going to be good enough juliana just yet i feel like i need a little bit more familiarity with the world but that that's what's so great about this game so far to me. Is that it really. It tells you this but It's very true that knowledge is like your best weapon with this game knowing the world knowing how the characters are going to be operating within that time of day is so tremendously important to know Versus purely what gun you have though. That can be very helpful. But it's like knowing your options can be so much more Which is really really cool. I do want to sort of throw to everyone else leaves. The i want to start with you because i know you've played a bit but you also have some questions for matt about well. I mean everyone listening instead of thinking of me is like very dumb idiot. Thought at the game. It doesn't really have much of an idea. Like i was saying i did your wonderful review but i didn't really read much else like i haven't gone into the mechanics. Dick sloat because i wanted it to be fresh when i jumped into the I'm about. I would say a plate about Hours just come out of what could be described as a quite links each year. To'real into the more. You can do whatever you want kind of instruction from the game and so again the these questions right so obviously has to kill eight targets. That's the fundamental goal of the game. You've got to kill eight targets. You have to heal them. All as i understand within a single alert. Okay so all of the loops that you sir. You're just learning more about what those targets are doing within any given moment. And then you mix and match way new going to dump into those areas. At what hyper Goal yes and then ultimately you have got massive like Stock game plan and that you try to execute at sort of In game is that riot You pretty much bang on the money above like the structure is really interesting because it's very complex but also does have like a layer that simplifies out so adding anybody that knows this idea of light. You've got to kill eight targets to break this kind of time loop but that's spread out over. The islands are not just the island but like these time periods because the way it works is i think a lot of people might be kinda worried that you've got like twenty minutes to do would send like youtube out wilde's it's not the day split into four individual segments that you've got morning noon afternoon and evening and you go into the first segment and you can stay in moaning for as long as you want to get all the things you need done. And then when you're ready to progress it will then go to afternoon but things change and that changes the way the map student. You can only go to one of the four districts on the islands in time periods. So you couldn't. If the with three things in the morning to do you can only choose to do one of them because you can only go to one districts now that sounds like you've got to kind of spend an awful off time light replaying those four segments overnight. We've to figure out. Well how exactly do i do all of these targets. In one day it's much more objective kind of vice than that you are actually following the storyline in the way that kind of dishonest does but whereas dishonor these taking you from level to level two level in that always different those targets roy's different this storyline is just zipping you from time-period back and forth around the islands to the point where it's actually probably better to think of this more as a metro vania game but where is kind of like bozo of games you get say halfway through the game need find the k. and it's like now you can go back to that first area that we're in back of the star of the game in now that dole will lock think of death more was you'll get halfway through the game in you'll get piece of information the might say remember that dole was in the morning but it's now the evening That door you've never been able to get into when the day starts again. It's going to be morning again. A air is going to be open for you to go into it. And now you've got this code is gonna let you in that dole and is going to be something in there that helps you understand. How old is puzzle fit together so the small kind of orchestrated by the game to make sure that you never veer off the path. And you've never you never sat there thinking. How on earth do i fit. This is always something that helps guide you with the way. Does that still enables you feel very smart by the way you did it interesting. Sorry my question would be an if helps me understand that a little bit but my my crystal like i do you get to a point where it's like right. I've got a login need to attempt to like hill all these people in one during one lurk fsr like. How many tries to take you through that once. You were confident that you had everything that you needed. So the kind of beauty of the that. He's got really well defined characters is the you don't play a silent protagonist like cult actually has a voice. When you've got all the information you need to do. Like will literally saved himself. Like i understand how this all fits together. So that's kind of your cue to go and do it. Why that point. You'll basically john wet with superpowers like it's not. It's not difficult to kind of do what you want. It might be difficult to do exactly the way you want. So i've been playing quite a lot since i roll credits on it. Just because i want that final to be perfect on there is kind of like a a trophy reward being able to do the entire game. We've only killing the target to never touching anybody else in the maps in kind of. That's my current kind of light gold standard at the moment naught managed it learning new tricks. Each time you do the lutheran go away like this route. The i was doing like. I've done seven times now. The i was always never quite sure about actually. Just go to the entire aside. If this district is a secret entrance in to go exactly where. I'm trying to go on now. Suddenly this is a little bit more perfect than the one before and so kind of like that almost works endgame late. Yes i've already seen the ending. I don't need to follow him with the story. But it's almost like this endgame scenario now. Whereas i want affection and i want to experiment and i wanna find new builds new reasons to use guns with different powers and so i'm just playing that final leap over and over. That's really cool. That that endgame aspect has been working for you like that because he. I was a little worried. I've gotten through finding out how to kill two of the visionaries and leads on. Maybe how to combine some of them in the future. But i was like. Oh am i just blowing through this too quickly but it is that thing of like you can arguably jump into a time of day go kill visionary very quickly and get it over with but there's so much more to understand about the world to learn and to Howard up your your colton and to be able to get things to a point where you feel like you can juggle multiple targets. I think in one run one of the cool things. i don't think it's a huge spoiler. But like you get the powers every time when you kill these visionaries. That are very dishonored liker past arcane pass powers but if you go back and re kill those visionaries another day you can power up those powers So it's it's worthwhile to a must keep doing it. A little bit. Repetitively found this. Is that kind of thing where probably the first time you find the vision where they all went ultimately be where you want to kill them because they just know in the right place right. That's the end of the game is to shift them. Places all with the risks that incentive to like a while. i'll go back and kill them today. Because i've got the time. I don't i don't necessarily need to do anything at this time of day. Circle the time to go and kill them as you say each time you re pick up a super power which is kinda cool to slab a it will be a new kind of variation on that power on you get to those together realize okay this hour this before but now this power something slightly different hold on that. She works really well with the way. You've got this gun calibrated or it could work while with a gun. If i can find this modification that will calibrate it to do this. I like it's such a game of cause and effect where domino takes over. And in your mind you'll like wait. This is a jigsaw puzzle. I can see the piece. I missing. So i'm now going to spend you know an hour of my day kind of figuring out how to find that last pace now there. Are those insane people cold. Let one brewers who go through from software games about living up so they like to sound like a one like the whole goal is to just make it as impossible for them as as is possible. Could you play deathly with just machete and just like play it that way and you little kick humanly possible. Because i know the arcade is very very big on. You can do it. you can probably do it So i think one of the wonderful things about this is like the all canaan is i for. As far as i'm concerned like masters of level design there are things in there that like every time you come by all kanebo. You discovering something new. And when i was doing some work because juliana and i was stalking a character through an area. Because i was looking a lot. More i realized. They're just kind of like old if these heidi holes of heya of also got routes through two different rooms. I didn't realize that before and suddenly you're realizing like wait to go hair. In here. I would normally used on the teleportation power which is kind of like boy from dishonors. But if i don't have that i can actually use these things that i can jump up to so suddenly realized that they're all married of routes that run for world of these areas. Which then you're like okay. I don't need to to a rooney weapons. Because i could just use the michetti sneak up on someone. And as long as i've learned old of the roots of the patrols around which and as stealth game sensitive they're always a little bit dumb. The new expect because the whole idea is useless. Mass to those patrols in as long as they're easy to remember but then that makes this kind of allie satisfying once. you've learned all the fat and no people astounding and they stand in the same point every time because he's just the same day looping over then you can master the level then you could get through with just the kicking machete. I mean. I could never that. Supposedly that was my girlfriend was watching me play last night and she was like so could you. Technically you know the first loop that you go through. Do you think you would be able to like when the game lets you. Could you have killed them all perfectly on your first. Go into mike. There's probably some way some amazing players going gonna figure out how to do that. That person that's not me but like to watch that speed run. You can never do on the first run. I will say that because there is a the campaign is designed that you will never be able to get the people in the right places until you've played for the storyline because the events that happened in that story will help you. So it's a you know these wonderful places that can do like heidi's they're able to do on a single run in the first time they've ever played it. You'll never be able to do that. Because they say is fundamentally a campaign based game it just uses time structure to kind of like fit its components together. Yeah that that totally makes sense in speaking to what you were saying earlier like i was worried going into the game that it was going to be to open. I was gonna feel lost going into it but there is enough structure to in. There is enough like objective based goals in the game that it really feels like. You're never at a loss for at least where to go next. Ed given point of time brian. I know you didn't get to play as much in only got to jump in for a little while. But i guess. Do you have any question. Formality avenue like initial impressions from what you're applying. They want to I i will say that. I've only put up an hour so far. And i'm really impressed with the this very odd but like the architecture and interior design of the game which i. I don't think it's enough credit in video games I'm for for transparency. I've been playing a lot of like big dumb loud stupid games this year and had been scratching a specific issue. Or i just kinda wanna turn my brain off and play an open game and blow stuff up. I played a bunch of far cries. I've been playing the saints row games. This is causing me to completely recalibrate. My mind and approached this game in a completely different perspective that i played anything associated I appreciate the hell out of it for that because it is. It's it's using parts of my brain. That i haven't used a while and i think it's like this is a fascinating lee ambitious concept for video game the fact that this has been in you know Like three years worth of events at this point and we just had to spend another fifteen minutes kind of drilling down on what exactly it is doing. And i think even to the people who are totally locked in on how this game works when they buy it. They're still going to be kind of like. Oh okay i get it. So it's like this I i appreciate the hell out of the fact that this is a game that on on a pitch level probably confused many people in the room. And i think to this day. It's gonna be a tough sell for a lot of people. I think it will do well. And i think it will find its audience for sure. This is coming from a studio that hasn't necessarily you know had multi platinum hits every single time. It put out a new game. But i am. I'm just so glad that they are able to do something. This weird and odd on guard and get it out there. Because it's it's. It's really isn't like anything else i've seen before. And digging into it more and playing it more and maui. You're talking about sort of starting to look a little bit and then realizing oh yeah. I don't have to be crouched around on the floor with a little knife for this entire game. I'm gonna you know double jump onto this car. I'm gonna come over here. Go over there and start to Analyze things from different perspectives. I i had a lot of fun. Just kind of throwing beer bottles at people's heads from five hundred feet in the air and then seeing what they would do and how they would tell their friends and then where i would go from there And there's a lot of really interesting sort of Sifi design philosophy behind a lot of the stuff. That's happening here. I really like i mean we. We've seen the sort of groundhog day. You know Of tomorrow idea in a lot of video games a lot of media. But i love the idea of like you die and you come back and your body is floating in sort of like force goes form of where you last left. I dig all that. I think like video games have experimented with suffolk. That you know. Even you think. Back to like mario kart sixty four had like ghosts of like your previous tracks in suffolk that to go back to a level. And you're like oh. That's exactly where i died. I can see. I got blown backwards through this thing over here. I got definitely got shot in. The face is a i. i guess. I didn't know exactly how that happened in the moment. But now i get to see it is really really smart There's so much so much. That i love Unfortunately about an hour into my game the game hard crashed. So i'm excited to get back in there and try again. Hopefully they you know kind of iron out some of the technical issues so far but other than that it felt really rock. Solid voice acting israeli funding campy. The design is is gorgeous. The guns seem really special and unique and yeah. I'm i'm just so happy. This game exists. It's also like jonathan you alluded to before. It's bizarre that this this is like this. Weird holdover in this custody battle between microsoft and sony and says the and all this other stuff but eventually everyone will get to play this game if you only have a. Ps five right now I urge you to look into it. If you're waiting for it to come the game pass do that. Too but man. This is a super cool super unique game and i was. I was like kind of whatever on on what it was. I think got feet fatigued. By and i read your review matt and i was like oh man like that was the i think everyone i was kind of like. Oh yeah death looks cool and then it was like we're giving ten. Oh we don't do that very often. Oh shit here we go. You know. I think all of a sudden it was all hands on deck so yet pay attention to this one. I think that this is just bouncing off what you said. This is one of those games where i would have loved to have seen just how broken it was in development when you think about all of the systems that play in how deeply mathematical those systems are if one little thing is broken in that light incredibly complex web i just. I can't even fathom what that happened. How frustrating that would being to the development where it's just like one a little air in the matrix because it is the systems and this is again when kanus a good at Just typically loved every single one of their guy inches like it's systems are just working a little bit of Above any anything else. That i that i didn't really play. You know what i mean like i am. You can play it so it is. I find it to be quite accessible in terms of i don't speak to you know how accessible disability skill level. What people are you can be not great video games and still through on it and still finish you know like like evening dragged through bush backwards and kind of like hinting and bloody but you can still finish the game and i love it but you could also just be like the sort of ninja and and just like the silent assassin and execute all these incredibly elegant us scenarios where all of enemies die in spectacular fashion. Like i just love that. There are so many ways in which he can play in arcade game like disparately love that. That's what excites me. So much game. And i really wanted to to the dibs behind it to talk about their process. Because i'm sure at one stage they will probably like god. What the hell this game is. Entirely broken must have happened for sure. I mean like my like grunting caveman translation of what you just said lucie is that you can play dumb if you want to. You can totally be absolutely but it re it rewards playing differently than that. And i think that what my and i've said this for years. One of my favorite things about games is when you go with the best laid plans and your meticulous and you know your skirt around in the shadows and stuff like that. And then you're an idiot you tripwire or somebody gets pissed off and then you shoot the wrong issue of like already. I did a lot of that in this game. Because there's a lot of like okay. So there's there's dual wielding and then there's like you know you have your life is up here on our one and then your guns over here and so there was a couple of times. I was hoops. Nail gun to the guy's face But what this game does which is something. I don't really have to recalibrate after playing something like far cry. Is that when you go in. And you're like i'm going to do this and you're doing really well but then you screw up it gives you a lot of Sort of wiggle room to save your ass. Which i think is i think is i love. I love stealth games where you can go in. I think something like the really early splinter saw games didn't really have this right like you had to be your gun was you deliberately is weak. Little pop gun. You had a soda. Can you could throw it some some of the man that was about it. But the the later they got the more sorta rewarded like okay. I have a plan. It fell apart down. Wanna go guns out. Now i'm gonna go crazy. And that's i mean you've seen a lot of the footage of like you know. A player shoots a vending machine in the dumbbells. Fall out and stuff like that. That's when the game gets very comical on slapstick. I love that shit. That stuff is so good. I love a listen a little bit. Like i'm the same as you will on thinking about like the fist team minutes of the game when i'm actually in an area with their enemies basically if you'd have seen me from susan. I was crouched crab king who blew myself up. Do you know what. I mean like just like just absolute idiocy. But then you start to get used to it. We start to get used to the you know it. It has a very. It's a nice learning curve where you can get over that That fumble I i find that those moments to the like the funniest moments video games better than anything. That is deliberately written as a joke is any game where you are to be sneaky and causes serious and you do something so monumentally stupid. That you can't help but just cackle and run away. Full speed i. There was in the first area in the game. There's just like twenty people standing outside of the library. And i'll just hanging out and i was just kind of threw a beer bottle. It was like hey novels. They're like what it felt like. You just threw an egg like a keg party or something. And all the jocks card achilles running away silkroad. There's a there's a big like rockets sort of thing attached to a truck in that first area up done and i was. I saw the it was by like some wiring. And i'm like. Oh maybe i should shoot the wiring and see if i can split it off and let it fall apart and i had a shotgun out for some reason so good a blast this gear and i thought it was far enough away from all those people by the library. I was not suddenly like twelve red exclamation points. Pinged around me. And i was just like get on the rooftops. Go go go and then there were like three days rooftop fixing your like hacking into something. You didn't see me. Yeah as the the game allows for all of that stuff but it also allows for two matches to circle back to what you're saying like to figure out in to learn and to elegantly. Pull off these things and to realize the past that you didn't know previously so that now that i know that area that i freaked out when accidentally shot a gun three more different escape routes if i ever do that area now because i've been through it a couple times it's it's very like sort of rube gold goldberg and i guess you know you have these kind of domino machines that set off chain reactions with each other. It's yeah it's super fun. You can set off so much. It's really really fun to end matt. Just sort of something's up to your point As well as just like this speaking to arcane history you you've also written in en vida. Vod piece that we published a little while back on aegean but it's as for history of arcane and the ups and downs of you know pretty critically acclaimed games would not always the best selling games but how they continue to refine and really really defined. The immersive sim. John in a really really cool way I encourage people to go. Check that out but just before we wrap up and move on any other closing thoughts about it they wanna make sure people know From your viewer just your time playing. Since i think one of the things. I'd like to say it sounds incredibly complicated and i think that it might be a came. The you think too much for me. Just think about how complicated flight falk roy is. Or how complicate assassins creed is when i think about the idea of like someone coming to games for the first time satan down with those games. It's insane how complicated those games like. People play really really complex intricate games and don't even realize We can sit here and talk about how galaxy brian all communism and they are genuinely astonishing book. You probably already have light. Eighty to ninety percent of the toolkit you need to play this game like absolutely jump in experience. Walk by jan. You think is the best game on all over the moment. Yeah it is. It is a way less intimidating game than i think. Sometimes we have fought it to be going up to it because of this complicated time loop you know cat and mouse game with all these intricate systems. And we're talking about all those intricate systems. But you're totally right. The game does a fantastic job of warming. You up into this world and really letting you not feel like you're just let loose and good luck have fun but it really teaches you the fundamentals of what you need to know and i've i've been having a blast and again totally encourage people to go. Check out matt's review written and videos on idea and of course the video version is also on a youtube as well. And if you're playing loop let us know your thoughts either in the comments or you can write into beyond jan dot com and. I'm sure we'll be talking about this game a bit in the months to come especially as we get into year end sort of thoughts and considerations so i definitely let us know what you all think. I wanna move on though to another playstation topic just to make sure that we touch on Which is today the next major playstation Firmware update is live. No firmer updates or just exciting. His brand new ten ten masterpieces But i do want to mention this one because this has been in beta test for awhile. Since i believe july and this is the one that lets you install new. Ssd drives so you're able to Get a third party. Ssd drive it does need to match up to the specifications that playstation two set forth essentially be able to live up to the intern. Esti you're now able to Install compatible ones and they range from two hundred and fifty gigs to four terabytes which is a lot more than the current system memory. Lucy i'd i'd not to blow up your spot. A you and i were talking about this yesterday of like. We've been managing well enough deleting and not to leading things but like yeah i kinda wanna bigger hard drive drive any i hate. That was such a small one. Frankly like i wish it had been bigger from the junk and that we have to realistically these days with the size of games. Have to keep deleting soften making a library the library if you've got a if you find mostly digital One expensive extensive light. That's sort of where i'm at right now. Already justify spending. I until i guess until we really need it because right now. The isn't quite enough. That this is gonna come to a point. Where yes i will. Excellently put just bit on their extensive agai- roof. Yeah they're there. It's relatively more brand new tack especially with the the speed that these essays at but we do have some great resources on the website of the taylor. Preschool show a few times and the tech team have been doing a lot. So if you're looking for recommendations or resources for those things go check out all that stuff. I know taylor. Particular has been like an advocate of. I don't want people to go by the wrong. Ssd and feel like they put something in their system. That messes things up they need. There's a lot of back and forth about whether to get assistance with a heat sink or not with a heat sink. Taylor i believe recommend to absolutely get a heat sink in there. There's all these different things that i definitely recommend. People check out our coverage to can help them along the way. But this update also does introduce a few other things on the software side of things that you i specifically Including some control center customization and a advancements to game base which is where your your groups in your friend lesson. All that suffering us you can now freely customize your control center and rearrange Kind of everything a bit more than previously i. You can now more easily view and write messages to friends and parties directly in the game base rapid than having to like hop out necessarily. There's now the this is obviously the biggest one you can. Now give the accolade of leader to people in multi-player moving on from there you can also there's a few other things including the fact that they've now built in a tv speaker three d audio support which is a really cool things. You don't need a three compatible headphones. To be able to simulate it obviously it will be a very different experience through speaker but that is now an option that you can kind of calibrate for just a few other various things of mayor we a few of us on the idea and staff got a beta access to a while ago. And i will say for me as i said back in july The biggest thing is that trophies are now vertical instead of that stupid horizontal thing man. Is that better. That so much better are my god is now a much better way. And there's also trophy tracking so you can kind of pin. These are the five trophies. I want to focus on. They make them more easily accessible in the card system and for references. Small things here and there but just like briefly go through. Brian just wanted to sit with you like now. A roughly a year in almost. How do you feel about the. ps five. you i. it's it's obviously a big overhaul from. Last jackson made a big deal about some things. I think they made a bigger deal about them. They've been for us to actually use but like where do you sit within. what do you feel you either. Most lover like most needs to change sport Yeah that's an interesting question. Because i don't i still don't think i'm totally in love with you. I think that they're consistently making it slightly better which is nice A lot of the features that Were i think that we were sort of counting on a be pretty big before launch our stuff. That generally doesn't really apply to me. Or i don't really use very often i. It's it's a. It's a very frustrating scenario. Because i appreciate the hell out of the sort of minimalism of it On a glance it is clean and beautiful and uncluttered In moment to moment us. I feel like something gets lost versus the ps four is i do miss themes I think that just having like these big splash images that change constantly are are not as sort of enticing to me as having you know like a a cool bloodborne platinum theme that i earned in how to call customer support to get you know because i was so proud of like stuff like that i think is like yeah. It's shocking that they took out a way to monetize your experience. I will i i find that really. I find that. Really interesting I i understand why because they they wanted something that was obviously a lot more cleaning deliberate and it makes sense. I love being able to tab over to the store. I think that's much easier than hitting that store button in hoping it would load which i feel like one out of five times it wouldn't There's yeah there's some stuff. That's a little cumbersome there. But i appreciate that. It's it's growing and it's improving like i don't know we all of the all the councils got for more updates this week or our new new features added and like i play my switch a lot. That is basically fundamentally exactly what it was at launch and dazzles bluetooth. Yes right yeah. They unlocked a feature. That was already there from its potential but yeah so i. I will take something that sony's obviously looking at what's working. They're actively improving it. And i appreciate that over nintendo. That's basically just like this is what it looked like it launched. This is what i look like when the system gets sunsetted in a few years See i think it's not perfect yet. But it's getting better. And i dig that. I do want themes to come back i i. I'm totally with johnson. I don't understand how they just like shut down. That was probably decent revenue for them. I know i put. I put a couple of blocks ended up machine. You know i bought you know five or six of them and they're expensive. But i imagined that build up over time because it's a one time published thing in the to go. It's weird but yeah just like to think of that. Just your comparison to switch. I so remember the day we got the switch and i was like. Oh they're different themes oh it. It's light and dark bode well. This'll be really cool. When they put. Like a mario themed for the anniversary or like breath in the wild and beast just. There's nothing there yet. No matter where do you stand with the the i overall. I know we haven't spoken to you about on the before but like what are. What are your overall thoughts on. Ask barry. Along with ryan that i almost think this like as really sleek quite a lot of kind of like missed real estate where i could have things or just a bit. More at my hips is a lot of scrolling left to right and i feel playstation for you. I allowed me to go to where. I need to unless button. Presses premise wrong still awaited like group games together. I used to have kind of service games in one box. And the. I don't think there are folders yet which I remember they were a very big deal for. Ps four and yet. It's that's the weird thing where you know and i know people hate it but we do but it's just an interesting sort of generational change xbox between generations literally made it so it was identical. They updated to make it as seamless as possible to be identical for the most part and then playstation overhauled and so there's a lot of really cool stuff but it sometimes feels like they didn't learn some of the lessons from the ps four zero. That already went through this process. Yeah i think in terms of graphic design. i think he's a real leap In terms of functionality. I think it's still gall a little bit of growth to go before it gets to where i needed to be totally and lucy anything for you. Other than of course our our main criticism on the show. Why did they switch. The power on an is so isolated station bud. That's all i'm gonna say about that. I do want to make one little complaint. I wish the playstation had like like xbox. You can have a single account on xbox. It doesn't matter where in the world you are on playstation. Your accounts are region logs. So now okay. This is. I told the story of my go for an issue board. I deeply apologize by hectoliters Lightly excess some not gonna recounted bore. Everyone i'm gonna say she was still board. You're like i need to tell this on the air to thousands of people and real narcissistic move. But i i chose not to but i will say that i have now. Four is in accounts. Like and i've caught like an american woman to build and i looked myself out of my lost america one because i forgot the password to the email address that i had to make specific. You can see why go i was really boy. All i wanna say is that i really hope that one day that playstation accounts outrageous logs they having lived in new zealand. Australia announced the us. It's just like you know. All stuff is like continually gone all my trophies like i've had to give them away and now i've got this crappy little like loose. Usa's eighteen out. Like i don't even have like a cool. I cool original. Handle remains extremely frustrating. So if anyone's listening please fix that. Because i'm pissed off and if you're listening i guess girlfriend friend lucy via her username millions. Millions of us have lived in those specific three countries. So i could see no now. I'm with you. It's one of those things that they could probably make you. You just update the file a little bit. We're all engineers here set your fresh just Yeah it's i think the to all of your points it's nice to see things are continuing to get better but yeah i think there's still a bit of a way to go until it gets to the it. It felt really great by the end of the ps four life cycle and as excited as i was for new ui because it's cool and futuristic and feels different. It's odd to still be facing some similar problems. It feels like we're figured out five or six years ago. again Obviously the biggest thing is for the wider audience to be able to swap in get a bit more storage space. Please go check out all of our coverage from the human idea and you can look up amd out to assist expansion idea and they'll find plenty but definitely check things out before you buy because there are a lot of different varied options and as everyone said sometimes really really expensive moving on from there though just briefly. Want to mention a stir that came out after last week showcase. Obviously the biggest surprise reveal. I think for most of us was a insomniacs wolverine game Which is being developed at the same time. They're doing spiderman game. And of course. I it seemed to i guess naturally raise some questions about the scope of both of these titles but shortly after its announcement Brian horton who we previously spoke to on the show as the director of miles morales which of course we love game. I'll was entering some questions on twitter from people and made sure to say that specifically like this is a full-sized game they're aiming for a mature tone Sort of it is a full standalone actual full-sized game. I wasn't concerned either way personally but i think we can all speak to at least brian louisiana. We are coming. Miles morales the whole like size and scope of the game. And is it worth your purchase. Because of that was such a debate among people and i know that like obviously people only have a limited amount of money to spend on games every year it is a hobby and the thing that is you know the additional to our lives but i do think like it started to raise this nature of like. How high quality does it need to be to be worth your dollar which felt like a really unfair thing to ask of a lot of debt i think sort of the debacle bear but i'm just to briefly touch. Brian was there any concern. You had about the scope of what this game might be Does this not not for a second. Yeah no But i also like. I feel like People people saw this is the miles morales team. They automatically assume that this team can only make sort of smaller shaped games And this is obviously a unique scenario again. None of us. We don't really know more about this game than than you. All do. Looking at the teaser. But this is. I don't think this is going to be a thing where they just like. Lift a bunch of sorta architecture and assets from existing game and building a news story on top of it. Which is what they did with miles and successfully and made something that felt like a full a full product right. So i think this is going to be a new thing. Don't worry we'll charge you seventy dollars for this game. We'll charge you fulbright so this game and it will be seventy dollars. Rest assured they will find a way to get every penny of that though will probably be a an even more expensive version of it. You know that has classic costume. It'd be like one hundred fifty dollar addition with a statue. Get your money. Don't worry special edition actually comes just with three blades. Just you can. You can tash to your hand or just using the kitchen. It's great finally balance in like three minutes. So i'm just add my two cents yet. I just the thing that infuriates me about like anyone thinking. Oh it's going to be like miles. Morales who would get the wolverine license and say wave decided breaking to make this a five hour experience children like it's just an know it's not it's no one would say that no one would no one would be like. Yeah we're going to this. A soft j is going to be deal. see come on like it's just. It's just ridiculous that anyone could sit of. It's it's the same as hunter said like just because a team is made one type of game doesn't make another type of game. Yeah we roll this tile humans the end of the day and the whole thing about meera miles at the end of it was like it was a very fully featured game and yes it was the same old but there was a lot more new art and things that went into that a lot of really clever new side things. I love that game kind of more than the base game. Obviously it will usually refined what was made in that first game and obviously these teams are all working together. So it's a weird thing to that team. Did it better. Because there's a lot of people. I'm sure who cross over but it's like miles was smaller because it helped them to be able to get it out faster. I'm sure in a certain way like we got miles probably quicker than had. We waited for something that was thirty forty hours right. It's a it's a great game because it feels complete an and packaged and what it is. And i'm sure they're going to make wolverine the scope that they feel they need to make a wolverine game. I'm i'm glad i also didn't out for a second but i'm glad they did say the mature tone thing because i'm sure there's someone out there who would be like. Oh they're gonna make him goofy spiderman even though they wouldn't do that but it just fa characters on to to be fair. I would play the hell out of an x men animated series video game if they did something like that but also like to build on this like. What is your favorite children's movie that begins with a run man in a bar with blood on his hands like the only thing we've seen in this game. It's a bar fight that starts with a man who has bloody hands that grow swords. And he's he's at the place that sells alcohol gyms notoriously that's the way fern gully opens but with great i can. That was better than anything. I could come up with to balance. I'm so sorry course. Lily were chatting and it was a delight to see you into a great. We'll talk to you later. Let's say and feel free to just swap things around as needed and we'll we'll just keep going but yeah before we hop off matt any other thoughts on Wolverine we were jumping back and forth about the jokes. But obviously you weren't here when we were covering sort of the whole miles morales at all but Obviously we all ended up loving game pretty highly. What are what are your sort of excitement levels for. I think batman to rain right now like pretty high like it's a it's such a cliche. Miles morales as old killer. No filler that's kind of the beauty of that game and as much as Really into the idea. Respond to like wolverine. I love watching. Ebbs find new flavors and find their feet doing new genres. The wolverine game quite clearly isn't going to be a game by swinging through new york like that setting gordy suggests the ms exit suggests that he might be metropol very very different in the in the marvel universe compared to new york but wherever it set we know if we get to go to like canada and go through under the forests of that kind of area where is wolverine these no carrot to the works like spiderman which means it will be a different type of game and i'm very excited to see the quality if that studio is applied to resume a game where to impale people in the end of my fists swords law We don't know if it's an open world game yet right. Yeah often. I would be inclined to say it probably isn't i would imagine it has open. World hubs to to a certain extent but like in the same way that ratchet and clank went to different locations. That's kind of what has done more often than sunset and spider and in terms of open world. So they can do both very well. So i i wouldn't be surprised Especially with some of the level design in rift apart That was a bit more open if we get a more modular level based game but they are some pretty big like a section or neighborhood of mandatory might be rather than. It's just all set mattress or but There's so much possible Possibility to it is kind of. And that's the exciting part for me. Is like i after what they did with miles. I trust brian and his team and so implicitly implicitly to like knock it out at the park again. I can't wait to see what did i also. I just am really excited as an x. Men fan because it you know after so long of the x. Men kind of getting short shrift because marvel and disney didn't on the movie rights. I hope this means we're going to get more x. Men to come like. I do hope that this is a a sign that we're getting back to a place where they have an increased importance. But that's probably a conversation for another day. No i'm agree with you. I i hope you got there and really just want a. I think you would suggest the jokingly like very quickly. But a gambit game would be very cool. I i would love. I mean what i love about. The wolverine scenario is that it brings in obviously a bunch of themes and settings and stories and characters that you didn't really get what spiderman It's right a man is is inherently can't be wolverine definitely has Some of that as well but like the the point of the spiderman games are you're flipping around manhattan and you and then your dive bombing into groups of thugs. You're beating them up going back up in the sky. And you're collecting stuff and wolverine. I think that like there. There's there's a lot of chance here to tell a darker story to interact with Enemies on a more sort of personal level. I think there will be less like beating up six or seven thugs in a room and more sort of like a heavier encounters with that are a little bit more one on one but then again we don't really know. I do know that this team has done with the boat spiderman games. They've done a stuff that has been totally serious and dark at times like i. I don't think that people give The studio the credit for for that kind of stuff. Because they're people think about the suits and they think about like the one liners and stuff like that but there are. There are very serious and dark moments in those games. I think this is a this team is very capable of expanding on that If some great writers working on this one that have done some really interesting stuff in the past. And so i can't wait. It definitely feels like it's going to be years and years away. We really know what this is and you know before. Were playing it. But i'm just. I'm just really happy. It's a thing that it's getting made. Yeah it's really cool to see Before we wrap up and get to some of the end of show stuff matches 'cause you weren't on last week anything else. That really stood out from you from the playstation showcase that we were really excited by surprise by Wanted to the forty. I got the deal right like everybody had been waiting Unde is again one of those those situations where it didn't show a huge amount of what's new but it's a reminder of why that game is special why that world in particular is so special. A knowing like you already know that game. He's not gonna ship as it's just go to war but we put a new story you know the is Patie- team with kind of like. It's not that they've gotten into proof but they want to put something out into the world. That's real strong so just the knowledge that that is now. They're just being able to see it can help you feel like closer to the eventual. Release day knowing a you're want to be able to find like the secrets that hidden in that world which gave me so good at a. They very much feel like a team that. I'm sure you know playstation really wanted a sequel to happen but it feels like they wanted to make sure they were doing a sequel. They wanted to do and not just because it felt like it had to And speaking of that Between episodes if you didn't see. I spoke to actually corey bar log and eric williams. Who is the new director Forgotten ragnarok and spoke to both of them together sort of about the transfer of power as director. Eric's really really long history with god of war working with korean particular Work that he did on twenty teen and how fundamental he was to corey and the teens vision there. It was a really really like gratifying chat. Because it i very much trust corey. Saying i'm going to transfer power someone else's director beginning to speak to eric and getting to know him who He's a brilliant human. Who isn't on twitter. So he lives his life free of social media but Getting to hear from him serve about his vision his goals his his reasons for wanting to make the sequel really really made me feel like okay is in really great hands and is going to be something special so i definitely go check out those pieces. We have like three or four up on jen. it was really great chat but Yeah before before we wrap up. I do just want to briefly touch on anything else. We've been playing. Brian will start with you. I know you've mentioned weeks passed as well even jumping back into far cry but anything else specifically or just from that series that's really grabbing your attention recently. No not really. I i mean i played through a bunch of our cries. I'm excited for the new one. Very soon And i have been laying. Deathly bobby like we're talking about before but yeah i'm gonna. I'm starting a him. I guess that's how you say that. Yeah i'm really excited for that. It's it looks kind of link's awakening ish. Which is one of my favorite games. it's on it's on. Ps five so you can play their all black and white. It's very charming. Sort of like photography game. It looks very different than anything else. I've been playing this year so I'm i'm very down to give that one a shot. It's it's very cute and very peaceful. And rebecca our viewer rebecca. Valentine gave it. I believe in eight and his only like through for our game. So it's very it's very great as sort of a weekend game to jump into the yeah. It's really sweet and peaceful and charming and joyful way. So i definitely recommend people go go out when it comes out with matt. What about you. Anything other than deputy death of course which i know took up a lot of time at anything else. Even lose this week. I've played through the awful escape in conversion. That's not on on playstation and shame because it size wonderful. I've heard really good things but you haven't gotten to jump into yet. Yeah yeah absolutely july. But the other thing. I've been playing Cycles which is despite the fact is again one of these microsoft kind of games because it was most platform before the mark bio is available on playstation anais. Also a a huge I've been like tim. Schafer games were kind of on boarding to video games. Like monkey island was a very very early game for me. Sorry it's been lovely of my life to kind of just keep dipping back into his kind of catalogue unseen wise. We've psyche notes. Which is the sequel is really kind of beautifully touching game about kind of actually dealing with whereas before it was kind of the novelty of jumping into people's minds i think again has been made in a world. War bet more kind of like understanding of mental health in the way that kind of like effects us all seeing that kind of game. Affiliates unlike creating a protagonist entirely a bio emotion kind of being empathetic to the people's whose minds. He's in is something that's done really well a very character vo game with plenty of really cool. Kind of systems in Make it very very satisfying to play. Yeah i think that game does a real good job of balancing like addressing very serious and important discussions around mental health without being like here is a didactic lesson about why you should care about your mental health or things like that like it blend into that very colorful vibrant enchanting kind of world in a really smart and clever. While you're e- you're totally right on that. It's it's a joy. And i definitely recommend people check it out. there's not a ps five dedicated version but there is ps four. And of course. It's it's backwards compatible. Only other game. I wanted to shutdown also. I've been playing austin random. A little bit which is from zone is the latest epa original. I i'm only maybe a couple of hours in. But i really love the genuity of that team. They did a ghost giant for a few years. Back and lost and random is basically a game with sort of like tim. Burton nightmare before. Christmas or Like a studios correlation art style to it very looks like it's stop motion e almost a where you're playing as a A character whose Sibling has been taken away. And you're you're on a quest to save her through this realm where random rules and the role of the dice kind of affects everything in life. The the game plays really charming. The combat is this mix of card based and and sort of random based like the roles. You gotta of your card hand affect what power is you have. It's really cute. It's really clever. It's really funny at times unexpectedly. I definitely recommend going to check that one out yet. A lot of fun Before we wrap up Matt i just wanted to through you. We haven't gotten any new memory card stories in the past week. So if you'd like to write in please right in to be ended idea dot com but the subject line memory card of memory card is a weekly segment mad at me for for continuing the show. it's a weekly segment where we have viewers and listeners at home right in with their stories about their playstation gaming life. I've met since since this time on the show. I want to see if there was any playstation story that came to mind anything you want to share from from your gaming history. If not and you feel to on the spot i understand you saying memory. Cards does bring me back to being a school vary. Ib may be about fifteen. Maybe maybe thirteen a remember. People used to give me that memory cards. So i can get them ahead. Past emission was vice city. Obviously a game. I should not have been playing with a mission where you have to use a tank on it. It was at least in my school was notoriously difficult to get past ball. I figured it out. So i used to have like a trade on the bus web would give me that memory cards and i take it home and do the quest that night and then bring it back to them in the morning. That's linked the idea of memory to playstation memory. That's that's the deal. That's really funny. i. I love the idea of this. Like underground memory card trading restraining That's that's so cool. I love that idea. That's that's really funny and thank you for sharing that. That's such a cool. A memory card specific store us. So thank you for sharing that Worry wrap up anything to plug matt. Of course people can go. Check out your deathly preview about any other work that you want to point people toward this i if you do really love Look deftly pulled loved the idea of kind of like can games. I want to know how they done if you had to. Aegean look under the deficit kind of section of the site. You'll find a video that could dishonor to death loop is also on our usually channel a not as a set of interviews with the crepe director of the been working on since two thousand nineteen so the raw From back then from when we could literally sit in a room of each other and then interviews from during the deathly kind of light publicity section. Which vincent with that chronicles how they make games and how that now applies to definitely to this stuff about how they built a levels had they built the world's how they think about powers and weapons design and also why like play testing is significantly paramount to those games. Like as lou saying the idea of something going wrong in that game and causing all the dominoes to collapse a out something that they have to think about from pretty much the first sheet of paper that goes down in the design document I'm really proud of that. And i hope people really like it because it is a genuinely fascinating chap that's awesome yet. People should definitely go check that out. And as he said this on youtube as well for people to look up a brian. Anything on your end that you wanna point people toward before i have a bunch of cool stuff coming up that i can't really talk about yet. But in the meantime i've been helping sort of lead the charge on what the daily fixed looks like every day. And that's been super fun. I've been hosting at every tuesday and i've just been putting more and more Sort of like op. Ed shape things into that show. And no one's told me to stop so i'm gonna keep doing that Yeah if you want if you're okay with having like news stories with a little bit of opinion and some humor thrown in Check out the daily fix every tuesday. Obviously all of the hosts who take turns in that show phenomenal job with it but minor specifically weird. So check those out if you want i. I love twenty minute Sort of ethics class on bib fortuna aided. 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Exciting New PSVR2 Details Revealed! - Kinda Funny Games Daily 08.05.21

Kinda Funny Games Daily

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Exciting New PSVR2 Details Revealed! - Kinda Funny Games Daily 08.05.21

"What's up at welcome to kind of funny games. Daily for thursday. August fifth. Twenty twenty one as always. I'm tim gettys. Joined by two more hussein himself. It's tim. tam thursday baby. I love my favorite first day of any week. When i'm reunite end my big homey. Tim there we go there. We go the cost of a fantastic stuff. I love this. Just worked out that i've got to do the show with you so many times in the last couple of weeks doing other stuff so anyway there's always always a plus side to this so good shit man but this is kind of funny games daily were each and every weekday we get together live on twitch dot tv slash kind of funny games to talk about all the video game news that you need to know you can watch it live on twitch or you could watch it later on youtube dot com slash kind of funny games or rooster. Teeth dot com. 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The blessing show is back with a special event that just happened and it is now live on youtube dot com slash credit for twenty minutes special going into the popularity of rogue likes. What a rogue lights what exactly. They are This cool interview stuff. They worked really really hard on it. And roger corny edited his. Little ass. Off ed you guys should definitely go check it out. Go support it. Drops leave some comments share with your friends. You love to see it. Thank you to our patriarch producer. Blackjack today we're brought to you by door dash and honey. But i'll tell you about that later for now. Let's begin with what is and forever will be the roper report. The star news Baker's dozen every there we to have a little funded kevin right having a blast story number one new vr to details from a recent dev summit. This comes from the belly over on twitter. You can bring this up cab because there's some pretty cool images to check out. The of it is next gen. v are it features. Hdr led displays with a two thousand twenty forty per i resolution. The field of you is one hundred ten which is more than psbr. Controllers will be packaged with each headset and feature touch sensors. They look pretty damn dope over. There are very similar to control his. We've seen in the past from some of the other. Vr creators launch details. Coming in early twenty. Twenty two and one of the more interesting tidbits here. Sony also interested in triple hybrid games. That can be played both with and without vr similar to resin evil. Seven and hitman three instead of just vr experiences. The above report has been corroborated by upload vr who are the standard npr news. To what you think. I think i'm i think it's a fantastic idea for them. I i always felt like I feel like sony has got Always going to be trying. Something is always going to have a second on Alongside home console stuff Up until now it was the poll abo- side of it which they stuck with for a little while and it didn't quite work for them in the way that perhaps we want it and they wanted rest in peace via the means life but is of course dead and to take those resources in pump it into the now. Seems very very very small and given the the sixth of the playstation vr. I think it's important to reflect back on what the playstation vr chief because it was kind of impressive. It wasn't the best headset. It wasn't the most powerful headset. But when it came to market penetration and making the aw kind of palatable and even a possibility for the broad scope of gamers it was huge. I think often gets undersold the impact at the playstation. Vr had on the landscape of of vr and that technology and moving that forward. A lot of that credit goes to oculus and even vibe with rift but for my money. I feel like they're doing the hard work on pushing the tech ford whereas sony is doing a lot of the work on making it priming the market the gaming market for a vr kind of acceptance. And they did well with the playstation vr. I thought it was a fantastic device like there was some experiences that would novel to the point where So via immediately like batman arkham feel like i had the playstation vr. I played and i was like that was entirely worth it. If i never touched this. That was one hundred percent worth it. I realized that's a ridiculous thing for a device like three hundred four hundred dollars however much it was by also kind of shows you the power of creating lasting impressions using vr experience and it seems like the idea of creating hybrid experiences is leaning towards that where they have these experiences are like they almost create. Create this situation. Where you you have the familiarity of what it's like to play aaa game and then they show you how they can. Elevate that with veal. And that's how you really get the hardcore game board in how you make sure that other people who are new to view all also taken care of so amazing amazing stuff. I'm super excited by a call. White whites comeback. I'm someone who recently bought. Oculus quest to and i haven't used as much as i wanted to but i'm excited for mobile going forward. Yeah i mean you bring up a really good point that. Ps vr was a success for sony and clearly was a success. Because they're making another one. And i gotta say i am still a little surprised. They're going forward with a next gen. Vr headset like i even with its success. I kind of assumed they were going to just keep putting titles out or not putting titles out for the playstation vr that currently exists. But this everything. They're saying here. I think kind of leads to a a much better future for the potential of this becoming more of a real thing as opposed to just a a success story on the books that they have the more being like a mainstream success that is closer to the level that i think a lot of people kind of expected or hoped that the vr originally could've been. Because you're right. The difference is it's a concert versus the same type of ideology goes behind that where it's like gaming the fact that they're putting this out on the playstation means that. Vr is now accessible to a group of people that even though the pc side of it isn't that complicated just knowing it's on there just like oh. That sounds complicated. I'm out whereas this was like playstation you just by this thing that you can play these games and dachas makes more sense to a large group of people especially when you look at how many. Ps fours are out in the wild right speaking to a very large audience having said that though there was still so many setbacks like the fact that it come with controllers like the fact that the controllers at wanted you to use playstation three controllers like. There's just so many odd things about where. Psbr was caught in the time that it came out whereas all of this is really kind of building a much stronger narrative the taxes. Now here. i'm interested. In if it will be wireless or or if it kind of matches the things that we're now kind of used to from the quest which has been such a major success for vr fans. And i think more mainstream gamers wearing a lot of ways. I think quest is kind of outdone. Psbr in simplifying and just being like know it just works. That way. You're taking out the consul entirely. And it's just it's wireless you put it on like i know. My sister has a question house and she uses. She could just put it on and understand it and like she's not a gamer. That's the type of thing that we are needs to be to be this type of success that it has. Its major potential so a couple of things based on that. I think the really interesting thing about playstation vue was. It was undoubtedly exit success. But like you said there were a few issues with it but the kind of like the the upside of those issue is. it's created this scenario. Where sony was the only company to offer a vr console focused vr experience. They had no comp- which meant they didn't really have to nail it first time they just had to do something good enough to show what they will often make that success. It was a success and in doing so they kind of identified the points of friction that console. Vr experiences have and a lot of the stuff that we've seen in this is kind of like the revelation about the new one from the summit is seems like it's targeted towards addressing those those Issues the hdl or oled's displays is very specifically something that goes off the idea that the other vr devices available were very quickly outpacing. The playstation vr could do right and they still kind of awe but like a high resolution already. Display is going to be amazing f. o. v. being bigger the package controllers is a standard thing. Now with all that is is has to be and it makes much sense that they doing that and it is really really clever doing So they have the kind of foundation for creating a better experience when the new via thing comes when when they knew vr experience comes along which is exciting exciting. Definitely i mean you know years ago. It must have been twenty twenty fifteen. We ahead shuhei yoshida on the show and it was leading into lodge and talking about ps vr. And he was so excited about it and like the thing he was saying like he's been around since the beginning of playstation and he sees or saw. Psbr as the police station one where it's like it's not it's not the greatest thing in the world but it's over time like this is the first iteration. Imagine what the. Ps five equivalent of vr could be and just with the way that the game space works with with how tech works. I don't think it's going to take twenty years to get from the playstation one. You know where we're more like current. Vr is going to move a lot quicker like even the numbers. They're dropping here. It's like this is significantly more impressive than playstation vr. And is way more modern feels a little more. It'll never be future-proof when we're talking about consoles but as future-proof as you can get for this type of attack he i also think it kind of fits in with sony's broader objective right now so like you mentioned how easy it is to get a headset on for like jia sista and can get into an. I definitely agree with that. That's the experience. I had but there are also situations. Where quest was my. I like my personally owned. And i had a lot of issues in interfacing with gained the games i wanted to interface with in the way i wanted to do it. So might use case was half-life. Alex like that came out universally acclaimed as probably the best. Vr experience that you can play from gaming perspective. So i was excited. That's pretty much why i boy. And then there was the whole hassle of making sure you had the right cable and you know different versions of it. And then when i got up and running it will. There was an additional pain in the also of creating the handshake between steam. An oculus stuff. And when i go into the game i had this incredibly frustrating bug where anytime i was holding an item It wouldn't it. Wouldn't replace alexis hand with the it would show me her hand but then the i am like a gun would just be overlaid on top of it so like i played a decent chunk of that game being frustrated by it and what regardless of that half life. Alex remains probably definitive gaming vr experience. I think sony is a stage now where they create the most if some of the most if not the most compelling console game experiences right there like a premier game studio a microsoft does the same and intendo does the same but does like almost like a a cinema quality to the way sony comes right so if they come in at like we can create like the definitively best vr games. And then we can do it on a system. That's close to the point. Where issues won't happen where people are trying to figure out how to make a game talk to a hot piece of hardware and then when the men when they might get through that. There's a bug bugging narrow that will be removed so they can create the best. Vr games on a platform that's stable and and requires little to no effort to engage with. That's a from a business standpoint. Incredible to make. Yeah yeah and so so. This is really interesting. I want to bring in a question from kebabs. Who writes says what's up kind of funny games. Daily crew the psbr to report from upload vr mentioned. That sony's interested in games that work outside as well as in it which game so you think fit the bill personally think moss to in an astronaut rescue mission sequel would be prime candidates due to their level design. Moss's very section based in astronaut used linear path similar to crash. Bandicoot my worry. Is that this devalue. Ps vr is a platform much. Like with what happened to the vida when exclusives gravity rush and wipeout twenty. Forty eight appeared on playstation four. It's an interesting point you bring up. I do think it's quite different than the vita situation. In terms of the games coming to counsel as well But when you look at vr and what they did unique in the space is because they were playstation the had more ability to tap into built in install base already of not just gamers but also partners that they had. So that's why we got batman arkham vr. Because people were used to playing the arcade games on playstation consoles and xbox as well but that that is there in a way that it wasn't just built in on the side of things right. Then i remember there was that one eighty three must've been must've been twenty fifteen or sixteen twenty was twenty sixteen where there was like a section of the playstation press conference one of the best. It was like the the god of war reveal the orchestra shit and it was the section where they just went like boom boom boom like crazy. Big titles with the are moser's final fantasy fifteen. There was more stuff on man. I think there was i blanking on the other. Titles now but it was like. It was a backpack thing that ended with the reveal of resident evil seven and the reveal that that was coming soon full game and could be fully played in vr and the dow was kind of the wall. If this doesn't make psbr work nothing can because they really just did the damn thing and we're like hey all these things that you love you now get a personalized vr experience for them and in the case of already seven. We're going to knock it out the fucking park and then they ended up doing that. Which is interesting to look at resonable village coming out now and not having that that. Vr boat right. Yeah yeah yeah is is very. I felt like a strange. I like it makes sense because again if it felt like the resident evil seven was kind of like the proving ground for walks. Dis could be so the hybrid scenario that they talk about where they have. These triple experiences. That ken watkin veal. I very much. i believe. That's based on how they approach resident evil seven because that is a game thou function perfectly fine within without the off but was enhanced by vr. If you wanted there. And i can see them going forward and treating every one of their premier games like that like you have that photo for you have that horizon. You have that for the next uncharted. Wherever it may be should should it come to fruition loss of us. it is definitely something that i reckon is influenced by the and you're right. It was kind of way that they pulled back on it. But my whole understand my whole perspective on playstation. vr was. It was an experiment for them to figure things out in the same way that a mentioned the playstation wasn't a lot ways but just like the playstation one. It was an experiment. They kind of throw into the void to see what happens. It was if we're gonna experiment. We need to also work on the business side of it make it marketable and go like cigarette. All of these make the mistakes with the first one we need to make to make the second one and absolute banger and it feels like that's what they're doing here. Yeah i mean you know. I was talking about how peers. Vr one was kind of caught and like this timing issue like kind of between between generations and they were still kind of figuring out beyond was still this even on the pc side. Still a relatively new thing like they're the ones that predated. Psbr we're only two years before it or whatever but being where we're at now it's another kind of weird time where we all know the issues with with hardware shortages and all this so then aiming for twenty twenty two is interesting. I mean th actually saying details coming in early. Twenty twenty two. I wonder what their plan is here. Like you bring in god of war and and horizon all that stuff. That is that's interesting. I wonder if if they are going to kind of make some type of mandate of some sort that every one of the major playstation studio games is going to feature a core bit of vr game. Play that like is going to incentivize the millions and millions of five owners soon to be millions and millions more over time to also want as part of the like. Ps five experience. Where you want to get this thing and you were going to be rewarded for getting this thing by modes that are worth a damn or gameplay styles that are worth a damn and experiences with this. Vr next-gen whatever that they need to kind of presented in tandem with the ps. Five kind of thing that like is super worth it and is not just a gimmicky thing if you want mckee experiences yeah a great. It needs to be as important to the playstation experience as something like a controller is like a. You wanna make that connection where you're like. I need to interface with this game in this way to have the ultimate experience because that's ultimately what they know that their fan base strives for they think of themselves as having the cream of the crop gaming experience when they turn on a game like or loss to. And if you're like hey. It's going to get when you put this headset on. That's going to be an incredibly difficult proposition to turn down for. People like us who are always trying to get the most out of it and are trying to be on the bleeding edge of technology but then as time goes on people who just like to play games like you is going to be hard to turn down the opportunity to play a god of war in if you know that it's there an exist and isn't a gimmick mode was like hey throw the x. In the wall in this you know weird unique mode is something more meaningful to that. Exactly and you know. I think that we saw this all happened with motion gaming. A couple generations ago where it's just like it. Was this big exciting moment and then it was just overused and then it was underused and then it kind of came back in this way where it's like people just use it for the most part in ways they actually do enhance the game. Play smart decisions as opposed to going back to what i was saying. The bike it feels like a mandate for this to be in it. So i think we're about to hit that point. I think that the games have matured at quicker rates than other console gaming or whatever just because that's the nature of the industry But what i think is really interesting about. Ps vr to that I think it's too early to really like say one way or another but they get the price down enough and they can make this thing accessible where it doesn't feel agreed. Yes but it's still as premium product is. It seems to be if they can also kind of sell it as. Hey this can also be the way that you play games. Even if they're not vr and you're going to get a really high quality led screen in front of your face and it's going to feel like you're an epic theatre playing these video games. That has always been kind of like not a promise. But i feel like they're always kind of like and also if you want you can play a normal games in it but like it still had that screen door effect. It's still didn't really. It felt like a lesser way to play the games compared to on your television if they can make it in equal or better in some ways experience i think that that could be a huge selling point for them and i think then the third thing would be if they could figure out a way to make psbr to function like the quest does stand alone without yes five even if it is for certain experiences for certain levels of games but it's like okay majority of things like vr games like the work on this but the big playstation studio tidal stuff that we're talking about the full integration do need to ps five. Obviously to be able to play those games blah blah blah blah has has a wild wild scenario. I just want you to think about playstation vue is revealed to the showing it off and then whoever's on stage herman whoever may be just points i and says and if you know. It's there is a cartridge slot for the playstation video on this headset. And then just carries imagine you could just put in your car and then you can you imagine that. Can you imagine he says that in this in onstage. It's the return of people in a massive theater. There are seven thousand people in the shrine auditorium in los angeles. He does this and there's like three people that say. Woo ace greg. Just echoing and people think it's three people. I love it. Let's let's move on from the playstation. Vr talked more playstation. Talk and again more. Shuhei yoshida talk. There's a playstation indie spotlight going on right now and this is brought to you by the head of playstation indies. Shuhei yoshida. Hi everyone we're back today with the lineup of reveals. Updates and previews for seven thrilling. Indie games coming play playstation for mysterious horrors and action packed dungeons colorful characters. D'appel exploration there's a game from today's announcement suited to every player. Keep an eye here on the playstation blog as the updates unfold every half hour starting seventy and pacific time. This is the playstations. Been doing a lot while the bill do these. I kind of playstation blog. Rollouts every thirty minutes or so. Reveal some news about something and it's pretty cool. I liked it. It's a little different than like game. Showcases we're used to seeing but some of the highlights. Kate if you cannot bring up their playstations twitter right now we can kind of go through having trouble finding the highlights. Though so i mean just just go to the twitter and then scroll down just a little bit like these are the updates so we we see some stuff we got. Let's start with with go down the last time they had a big lake. Just go back to the twitter. Go down to the playstation indies purple looking image herbal. A little more a little more boom call. So yeah starting there. That's kind of the announcement and if you start scrolling up from their oxygen free to las signals is coming to playstation four and playstation five. So that's pretty cool. this game was revealed. A couple months ago also We got axiom. Verge two introduces dimensional breaches to the side scrolling formula. There's a new gameplay trailer then. We got embark on a bewitching crafting adventures set in the land of mythical fables in. Which would it's coming up. Ps four and five this year kind of cool little art style here We got thirty six years later. Platinum games is releasing a sequel to the venerated top down arcade shooters moon krista and tear krista in the form of soul krista and you can check out a little whole story about the origins of it is told a decades to me a over on the playstation blog and then you can climb sore and explore pixellated paradise in a short hike coming to playstation four later this year greg miller big fan of that game so definitely check it out Within a whole bunch of fun in the awards and stuff at the different things it's been at a reverse. Horror experience crawls for later this year. I don't know what a reverse horror means but is that guy. Yeah you're you're the months. You play the munster in that game gotcha gotcha people and then haiti's sugaya games joins us for an underworld escape attempt ahead of their award winning adventures playstation lodge. Next week. you haven't played haiti's play haiti's it's going to be real fun. On playstation that controller seem suited for it so definitely. Check that out if you haven't already have you already have do it again. and that's it there. Those those are the places. Unity updates cool stuff bunch of us a chiro working on a solo. Krista is a good show always down to listen to his music wherever it's coming from also for streets of rage. He's the man the legend behind streets of rage and a lot of other sega games streets of rage. One of the best. Yeah i like that is the g. like accident or hip hop soundtrack. To says there's a there's an amazing youtube video. I think it's still up. It's a club set of musica shiro where he basically does a a mix of all the best tracks from streets of rage. One two and three. I believe live is. Oh it's amazing is sunny. It's so dope and then Carry-ons gray air spin on some game now and i'm glad they is kind of Making this way to other console so you know carry on my wayward son. Exactly thank you thank you have. It had to happen next news story. I'm here on games daily. Which means of course that intendo sales numbers are here. And i gotta talk about him The nintendo switch has passed the playstation three and xbox three sixty and is now the seventh best selling console of all time this comes straight from nintendo some little insight like i just said came from pair schneider for my twitter bob if you pull up the first cabinet nintendo link. We get a lot a lot of visuals. Classic nintendo style. Just stowing off at this point just being like is like nintendo switches at eighty nine million units sold in the wild which is crazy. Especially when you start thinking about the old edition coming out. That's just gonna boost these numbers even more so people are going to buy it for the first time some people get to buy a second switch some maybe a third which already had the light. So we'll see how high these numbers can get even in these strenuous times. But you can see here. They're doing it to themselves but they just show the we the poor we. You thirteen point. Five six million unit saw. I think. I think that's the we is constantly up there as like a threat and a reminder. It's like you know you know how you know how like when oma appears in the why everyone starts shouting oma coming because you don't want to mess with oma alike and you you know that even almost down he will come back with him and the way you is there is kind of as a threat being like remember when you count Out once now. Look as a to consoles off to that i love. I feel like that's also anytime anytime. Nintendo released financial information. I just have the image match up in my head and my i was in cozy lake. This some reason. I always think of up when they released their thing During the match thing again the damn thing so some interesting stop here. I am going to actually can use kapiti article i sent or this song is so this is the list of best like hostels so just for a little reference here. Yeah now the switches come coming in number seven with the we ahead of it. So the switch is currently at eighty nine million and the we is at one hundred and one million though we this thing that the fucking nintendo we that is insane and we will do. Yeah i remember the further to get a week. Because i was working retail that time and it was. It was like being part of the sales process for the we was one of the hardest experiences of my life. 'cause it was unbelievable how many people wanted and how desperate they were and how you know how people celebrities talk about when they make it and then home east from back in the day style calling him to be like. Oh i got you a million for me. Like when when the we popped off like or people from the woodwork. Or coming out. I had a teacher a teacher. Primary schoolteacher message to be like. I heard you work in retail now. Can you get me a wheat. And i was like what the so the fact that it's outpacing. The console that resulted in that kind of thing is unbelievable. Unbelievable man Then i think what's really really great to to back it up is like it's not just the fact that there's a gimmick the we had right and the kind of the we had great games obviously but compared to the switch switch has won us over man. It's one over the people at selling well. There are critical hits constantly on the damn thing. Like nintendo is back. They've proven they've been back for years. And i love that. I love it like seeing a thriving. Nintendo is good for the industry and the more switch. Switches in the wild. The more quality games are going to come out for that are going to sell ridiculously. Well going up this list a little bit. We got playstation wine at one hundred and two million which i also think this which will easily pass into the coming years then. Ps four at one. Hundred sixteen gameboy at one hundred and eighteen the family at one hundred and fifty four and the playstation two at one hundred and fifty five. What do you think. The switch ends up I think i think it could come in. I think he might come close to. Ps two lifetime cells. I think it comes close to ps two especially. If we consider we've got the the light already out there And then the oily d on the way and then if rumors are to be believed that h- hd fourcade version does exist still. I'm factoring that in a real thing that will show up eventually. I felt like it could comfortably reach the. Ps two area. The kind of a ballpark by quite easily insane. And i think you're totally right. I i think that in the same way. That here. The gameboy boy and game boy color count as one thing and the nintendo ds family as one thing. I think in the end of the day. The nintendo switch family will be very very high on this list. I think it will definitely pass the gameboy. And gameboy color. Does it hit the one hundred fifty four for the nintendo ds. That's the big question. I think it will. I think even given the setbacks of all the supply shortages the one x factor we have is obviously the steam deck like. That's gonna be a massive consideration. Nintendo is quaking in his boots because of the steam tech. And we all know it yet. A nintendo been real quiet since gave dropped the steam. I'm saying you can go back to the intendo article please. We can look at the top selling titles as well. It's not that big of a surprise. Some of these numbers are utterly insane. Score all the way up on the left side. There's a top selling title sales units number one thirty seven point eight million units sold for mario kart eight locks. It just continues to climb. In the west part of mario being successful they have no reason to make numerical straying. They'll get me started this conversation. We've had so many times. We will see another. Mario kart going to sell extremely well. Just because this exists. Why not if this thing. That much money when i make more money put something else. Don't do it again. I don't understand how we we don't even have new deal for it. Like imagine a house same money. Like they were like your. We've made six new tracks. Enjoy our p like an astronomical amount of money. I just don't get it. I seriously don't get it but going down. We got amil crossing new horizons at thirty three point. Eight nine million which we got to point out. That is a year one year that was able to catch up. Almost two mario kart eight To be the number one. I i do think that it's going to be an interesting fight as we go on. I wonder if at crossing has legs. Like mario kart does. In the way that did the people are gonna buy already bought it and his over. It's gonna keep going. We're going to get next time. We had this conversation. These numbers are going to be millions plus more but will it outpace. Mario kart that. I'm not so sure about i. Think mario kart is gonna just keep keep going up. It's going to be close though. This is a pretty significant drop to a still very impressive. Twenty four point. Seven seven million for super smash brothers ultimate and then breath of the wild twenty-three pokemon shield at twenty one making it. The third highest selling pokemon game of all time behind the game boy games genuine john to it's going back to marry a car for for a minute like it's wall to me. The drop off to smash his undoubted is continuing to get new content like they are still making a gay content for a game that was performed significantly less as well as the top performing game which is is primed for new content and no disrespect to any of these microbes love smash brothers and and like i'm glad still content again just further highlights. How waldo is. There's no mary. Eight couldn't new content. Absolutely but i mean it also highlights the fact that we're looking at this huge dropoff but we're talking about a console exclusive game that is selling twenty plus million copies like that is an astronomical number. We're we're hitting like almost unprecedented levels of dan. This game is fucking selling and they have so many. You look at the top ten for a new nintendo game to break into this top. Ten is going to be crazy. But they're gonna do it breath to probably going to be here. you know. Mario whatever the next odyssey is or whatever my odyssey at twenty one mile party at fifteen. That's crazy and then come on. Let's go peek at you and at thirteen point fifty seven million copies which say those games pokemon freaking salesman. I i love. Let's go picture split into twelve point. Four five million and then ring fit adventure getting the shout at eleven point six million units sold wow ring fit continues to be one of the most interesting games released in the lost decade for me like i think it's absolutely fascinating and incredible experience. I love ring fit. Like i wouldn't. I don't use it as much very quickly like it. Outlived its usefulness in my kind of lifestyle But the way. I look i as like. It's way more successful than any other health products in terms of execution that they've released so far and it's again wild to me that they still want pushing it as hard as they should be I don't know how available is now was a period where it was ready ready difficult to get. But if i was them i would be. Continuously mocked lucky. That thing like coca cola. Everyone knows it exists. Coke exists and yet they're still like a with coke. We've still got it like they should. They should have the they should have that. Same kind of approach like yo. You don't have to go to the gym by this video game and you're gonna you'll have an excellent like Health experience. Healthcare experience is wired. I mean absolutely what's wild to. I remember the day it was announced. You know everybody looks at it and makes their snarky jokes on twitter or on video game podcast. But it's like damn who the hell would have thought that ring fit adventure with it's weird ass looking gimmicky ass looking accessories and everyone's just kind of this is in a world that we have so many mobile experiences and stuff. It's is this going to be the thing and we're all like nah. It's not top ten bestselling games top man in what of the most ridiculously stacked top tens of all time like for them then also the rhythm game update added to it really good. I had fun playing that the last thing i wanted to talk about for a second here with this nintendo story is metro dread. We got it coming out in in october. Right yeah weight. And i think it is easily primed to be the highest selling metro game of all through especially considering the kind of path. We've seen switch games just coming out. It'd be like bestselling kirby game bestselling mario party game. Best sell this. You know. I mean like they just keep doing it So metro is also incredibly like the amount of people that have been haunting for for. What so many years now. Just been waiting for the moment to like explode and it's coming is going to be a lot of like i feel like there's gonna be a lot of nintendo fans lapsed nintendo fans like crawling out the woodwork. To be like your metro metro. His back i'm back into video games on buying one of these switches. And i'm going to be buying this this metro game because i feel like it has fallen off in a big way fruit intendo zone fault but metro used to be one of those franchises iconic and as always there so i'm excited for the for the new age of psomas to begin. I mean we really got some on metro for a second. Because it's funny. You say nintendo's doing like it's crazy to think that this isn't the first time metro just has not been around for a while like mitchell didn't have a game on end sixty four. It just didn't the only reason that sam is metro where relevant was smashed brothers. And that's true for a lot of franchises and characters like there wasn't anything and then it dominated the game cube air like metro infusion metro prime came out on the same day of the best games ever made. Can you imagine that is that. That doesn't feel real. Then we got a portable metro to deportable metro. And what are the greatest three video games of all time on the same day and they not stand. Yeah unlike i. It speaks to that because the story is that dread has been ready for ages and they've just been sitting on it on is very nintendo. Move on the reason. I think that that excites me is because fused like maybe i'm reading too much into it. Maybe i'm being too optimistic. And giving them too much credit. That feels like the first step. The release of red is the first step in a new plan for mccoy. it's not like they. They're sitting on it because they have a plan is going to begin with the release of dread and as massive metro Is especially for. Both of us like so exciting. We're getting metro five dude. Didn't mitchell drunk believe it. And then you've got to imagine. We're getting metro prime trilogy and then we'll get prime four and hopefully those are all as good as we want them to be quick notes though. Say it's so funny when we talk about sales numbers now versus back. Then i think it was you on the show with me when we did this before but like kroto trigger. Just think krono checker. It's a classic sold millions of copies. No it's like one million and even here super metro unanimously regarded as one of the best games of all time like anytime. You're what's the best video game conversation. It's gonna come up for sure. Yeah super metro. Where is it even on the list. One point four million copies sold in say shit. The third highest selling metro game number two metro to at one point seven two and number one on the at two point seven three crush that it's going to crush that is easily the best selling. Obviously we have to factor in the fact that games were way more expensive back then like also adjusted for inflation as well like over here. A super nintendo game like super metric would cost close to a hundred pounds like ninety pounds. Which is a lot money so they probably made it on even if they sold less. But you're right like it. Just the release of these games like day one day one week one is probably going to be enough to top. All of the franchise numbers. And it's gonna be nintendo much humping up again all all when that happens exactly exactly But before we move on to our next story let's talk about our sponsors. This show's brought to you by door dash. 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Get honey for free. Join honey dot com slash games. That's join honey dot com slash games and we are back moving onto story number four another upsetting one from the video. game industry. fulbright co-founder steps down as creative lead after hostile workplace accusations. This comes from nicole carpenter at polygon. It actually started first with the tweet that came out last night from open roads game. Kevin could bring this up. Thank you so much it reads. We are small team passionate about making an inclusive. Poignant story driven game that gives players appealing of discovery. We care deeply about creating games that have a positive impact. We're also fervent believers. Fostering a work environment that's healthy and collaborative where we can work with transparency atonomy and trust as such fulbright's co founder. Steve gainer has stepped back from his role as creative lead manager and transition transition to a role as a writer handing off day to day responsibilities to the team to compete complete open roads. Were all excited. About how the game shaping up and we hope you'll follow along as we continue to share our progress going back now to the article from nicole carpenter at polygon which is required reading. Please go over to polly dot com support. This check it out. Read the whole thing. Because i'm only going to read some excerpts from it and there's a lot of info there but it reads like this fulbright. Cofounders steve gainer known for his work on gone home. Tacoma has stepped down from his role as creative lead on open roads following multiple allegations regarding his treatment fulbright staff development on open roads which announced in december twenty twenty and expected to star keri russell and kaitlyn. Dever is behind schedule. Fifteen employees left the studio since development on open road began in two thousand nine hundred. Nine around. Six staff members remain speaking with polygon. Twelve former employees said their departure was at least in part due to gainers behavior towards workers specifically women on the team at least ten of the employees who left since open roads production began where women multiple former employees who spoke with polygon anonymously out of fear of retaliation described that the fulbright work environment as controlling a place in which staffers felt undermined demeaned by gainer because of gender status is the co founder of the beloved indie. Got darling some former employees. Say they were worried about being blacklisted. From the industry though some ended up leaving the industry entirely anyway these former employees said they did not experience or witnessed sexual harassment or explicit sexism. Instead they said the studios toxic culture hid behind the veneer of inclusivity as women were allegedly repeatedly broken down by micro a full a fulbright representative confirmed polygon. That gainer step down in march to quote the pattern of women leaving the company. Steve step down in march twenty. Twenty one after it became clear that the steps that were already being taken to improve. His interactions with the team were only yielding temporary results. The representative said more. Drastic action was needed for the health of the team. The representative also noted that atta purna is aware of the situation that fulbright and has been instrumental in helping the open road. Teammate changes to structure following the publication of the story. Gainer issued a statement to polygon statement. Reads high all. I have to share about my role at fulbright earlier this year. I step back from my role as creative lead on open roads. My leadership style was hurtful to people that worked at fulbright and for that i truly apologize. Stepping back has given me space and perspective to see how my role is to change how i need to learn. And improve as part of my team including working with an expert management consultants and rethinking my relationship to the work at fulbright. I care deeply about open roads and the fulbright team. I'm sad to have stepped back from day-to-day development of open roads. But it's been the right thing to do. The open road team has my full faith and support as they bring the game to completion. At least two employees reached out to directly quote. My personal experience of having steve as manager was a toxic and unhealthy dynamic. This former employees wrote in correspondence to that was reviewed by polygon. I can confidently say. I do not want my career to be associated with him. Another employee in a letter to describe it as the worst professional experience. She'd had in games. Although gainers no longer a creative lead on open roads he still working on the game as a writer he currently has no day-to-day collaboration with the rest of the team. Instead anna purna interactive is operating as a mediator between the studio developers and gainer as development continues with a fraction of the company. To i mean is disappointing. But not all surprising. I think the the main fussing i Shout out to nicole an For the workout politico because in of cases this is the kind of work that needs to happen for a to come to light. There's probably a note in my mind. I'm not sure we will never know about this. If nicole wasn't putting on doing the work to find out about this often you know start to bring it to the forefront happened many many months ago. And he's only now that we're finding out about it so called unto them for exposing that stuff. The other thing is if we've learning for learning anything out of this the takeaway is that the abuse or the mistreatment Of women within industry is undoubtedly systemic. Now it with industry and it's not just triple a. Publishers and developers the all housing this kind of behavior. It's not just the activision and ubisoft size is happening. It's happening at indie developers as well like fulbright the indie developers that in all mind. It's it's it's not a correct way of thinking it. But i don't know how i'll speak for myself but i see when i think about these kind of stuff happening. I see it happening at a certain scale of developer. Where you feel like you know they can people think they can get away with it like aaa studios like ubisoft like an a. m. activision sorry and i don't really think too hot about the indie developers because i think the india developers teams you know and they use phrases like where family had. Well very forward thinking you know where you know. We treat travel well. We avoid we in a robot inclusive diversity. The thing the big wake-up cool from this is that no happens at those studios as well. It happens that the smaller studios as much as it happens at the big studios and because because we acknowledge that we have to also acknowledge the fact that aggression and abuse and mistreatment and harassment over women of women is happening across the board in the industry is a coal pot of the way this industry functions and that is a thing that is now. Undeniable is a disgusting realization for anyone to have to make an a many people have already made it. and if anything it should be Spurs you into starting to take action and support. The people who ready ready really need it because it's not just a case of it's happening at the highest echelons of game development. No is happening. Top is happening in the middle. And it's happening on the bottom and is is a horrible horrible thing that i've said before it will make games. West is actively making video games worse. Because it's pushing out voices is pushing out. Perspectives is pushing out callan. These these women and women of color people of color who are being marginalized intrigued like this. They have no incentive to stick around and carry on making games for us. And if they're not sticking around if some of the small is most passionate people are deciding. This is so bad that they're going to leave the industry and not make games. We offering the people who play games. Unloved games yeah. I mean i think this this story I totally agree with everything you said but this story really is evidence of how systemic this whole thing is and you know we we use stomach a lot to talk about Kind of like where the issues are. And i think that this is a is evidence of kind of not just being like this overt sexual harassment. Or whatever it is it starts in the workplace it starts with the way that you just communicate and speak to people the way you speak to different people differently and that's where this this microaggressions incomes in where it's we need to start addressing that when you start talking about that and we need to take away that layer of defensiveness that that we a lot of us feel when we start hearing things like that. But what's actually mean was like okay. Come at this with a different tone. You know what i mean. Listen there's obviously something going on here like look at these numbers. Look at how many people are leaving right. That's insane more. How about a team. That is now six people but at one point was twelve. That's half the team right. What's going on you know. Something is happening and i think that having that conversation about looking into it and and talking about and realizing that you know we just need to be better to each other on a systemic ground level and. That's the only way that we can move forward and it's like having these conversations and looking into this and again like you were saying the work that nicole's doing here. It's like this wouldn't be out there otherwise we wouldn't be having this conversation about this. These are going to keep happening. This is everywhere. It's not unique to video games in any way. It's in every industry. That's just a fact it's not just industries it's the world but we need to start having these conversations and i think that they're happening so much games because games are online games in the social media. Spears games are the games industry. The games media industry has a inherent interest in covering this type of stuff. So it's like and that we've seen more and more in the last couple years and i think that's because we're always online like video games are inherently going to be tightened. Gamers are going to be tied more into the tech side world and the The social media and just whatever media is at this point so because of that we hear about it a lot in video games and guess what. There's a lot of going on video games so we decided to start addressing this more and like just my one ask people is try your best to not get defensive when you when you hear these things. I try to listen to what they're saying. And even if you don't agree with what they're saying try to understand why they're saying why they're saying it the way that they are and there's there's a level of self awareness that you need to have to do that and i know a lot of people. I've seen the responses to This kind of story Circling day on twitter. And the one that i keep finding and it really like frustrates me. I know that it doesn't always come from a place of like Is one way. It's like i'll just happens in the movie. Industry will the time this happens in the legal industry. All the time like this is the way is aside as the way is but like i. We understand that this is happening everywhere but that language is also incredibly dismissive. And i hate it when i see that because looking in what imagine someone who has been a victim of that sees that and sees this happens in the industry. This happens in x. industry all the time. It's just you accidentally normalizing it and it's and it's not a situation we wanna create. It's not an atmosphere or a common form of addressing situation that we wanna be okay with trying to avoid that kind of stuff and the other thing is maintained awareness. The side facto fact of the mattress. We work in new cycles. It is horrifying thing to say but like the activists has been happening over the last few days you look at social time line is social. Timelines are pretty much almost cleansed of any sort of Presence of that kind of stuff it will come back up again when someone reports something new or this new development but the fact of is like the cycle is going to wash away these kind of things and it sucks that the only time it comes back into focus is when something awful happens and that's the only time when a lot of people are actively thinking about it and i know it's hard to do and it's affectively. Sounds like someone saying. Hey think about the worst thing happening around the world in this industry always. That's not what we're saying. It's a more of a case of like a relaxed alertness around this thing. So that when it happens and when you see these things happening these microaggressions whether it's in a workplace or in on social networks able to identify it and you have a presence of mind to correspond to it in a way that person suffering needs it and could benefit from it absolutely man absolutely well said moving onto some real quick stories just little lighting mode here. story number five focus home. Interactive has acquired. Joe tamou who are the developers of streets of rage four so we've got a theme in this episode a little more streets of rage action focus home. Interactive is a french video game developer and publisher. They've been around since nineteen ninety-six have done track menia runaway sherlock holmes And then in twenty ten they acquired the city's xl franchise and they started working with giant software in twenty twelve on farming simulator. We'll see how this goes. Acquire seems like every week. Someone's acquiring somebody. Hopefully this is good. 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147. Wolf education w/Becca Sue of the CWWC (Colorado Wolf and Wildlife Center)

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147. Wolf education w/Becca Sue of the CWWC (Colorado Wolf and Wildlife Center)

"Welcome to disorderly dogs. Podcast for dr owners. If you find yourself in precarious predicaments with your this. Podcast is for you. i'm rachel harris. I'm a certified professional dog trainer. And i hope to give you a fresh outlook on your dog's behavior and dog training advice. Everyone welcome back to another episode of disorderly dogs. The podcast pretty spectacular. Gas with me tonight. So i wanted to give you a little backstory before i let her introduce yourself so i recently i was at the colorado wolf and wild life center. Divide colorado. And i'd been there a couple of times but i went for his second visit. And let me tell you as places freaking incredible and our guest tonight was our tour guide and her passion is just freaking contagious. So you know. I went out on a limb i was. I'm just going to ask her to be on the podcast. What she says and thankfully she accepted my invitation. You all get to benefit from her knowledge in this conversation. So do you want to go ahead and introduce yourself for all of the listeners. Yeah hi everybody. I'm really excited to be here too. I hope you enjoy going to have to stay. My name is rebecca burkhalter. I go by becca pseudo. On i've been working at the colorado wolf wildlife center for about about a year and a half now as a tour guide and photographer and activist and all kinds of stuff. So that's me. I got my bachelors of science a u. n. t the university of north texas go denton in ecology so. I'm not a researcher. I'm coming to this conversation as a scientific minded person. I'd like to call myself any colleges that might be a stretch. I think maybe the proper term is probably activist. So yeah very cool okay. So you're are you originally from texas. I am actually. I'm from irving texas which happens to be the most diverse zip code in america. You can look that up. You can fact. Check their true very cool. Okay so when you were looking for jobs was colorado top on your list like did you look at lots of different places so absolutely not I to be honest with you. I grew up in the middle of dfw. The mega metroplex dallas fort worth irving smack dab in the middle and i grew up with what i call concrete sickness. So it's ya you're nodding your head. Yes i'm sure a lot of people listening also know what that is. I made it up but Concrete sicknesses where your soul is starting to get crushed. Because you can't see a tree right. So long story short. I came to colorado and i had never been on a mountain before ever in my life ever and i started to have a panic attack because or i thought it was having a panic attack near the altitude so get out of the car and like we gotta stop going uphill. I'm going to die Side jump out. And i just have this spiritual experience i mean i have no idea where we were or anything but i just thought you know what i've got to make a change and then i saw that billboard that says wolf tours have you seen the billboard yet with kiara space on it. She's passed away now. Middle saturday tennessee that billboard now but anyway i said hey i could get wolf tours So i started showing up. And i learned the gate codes. Eventually they had stopped taking out. I know that's an exaggeration. But i i did volunteer for about four months and then the office position actually came about and i guess they decided we're keeping around so worked out for me. That is amazing okay. So for everyone. Listening isn't familiar with the center. Can you kind of just give like the general explanation of like what it is. Because i think that there's there's there's a lot of variation in like quote unquote wolf centers rate and. I think that you guys are a little unique city. Wanna kinda just speak to like the specificity of the wolf and wildlife center. Yeah absolutely so. There are several wolf centuries in colorado as well as texas But the wolf center is and i've been to a lot of wolf. Sanctuaries have been obsessed with wolves a long time. And when i first walked into the wolf center you know i i knew that it was different So when i tell people when they asked me that question is well. We are all about education conservation preservation rate. So as you well know it is a really fun. Place redo do tours. We do interactions which means that the public can pay some money and go into dozen closures with those wolves. But that's not all we do right so we do things like this podcast here anytime i hear someone say. Do you wanna come talk to this group of people. I say yes. Let's do it you know. And the wolf center has always supported that sort of thing So outreach is a big difference between us and other wolf sanctuaries that i've and other sanctuaries in general that i've been to the other thing is that we're as the a certified rate so that's the association of zoos and aquariums. That is a big deal. So i know you've probably heard a lot of this on the tour since you've already taken it you're just random side so my husband used to work at the denver zoo and i know lots of people that work at the denver zoo and i know how hard they have worked to get your accreditation so like hearing that you were certified was just might have because it is not an easy thing to do. No it's not it's very. It's a very prestigious honor that we uphold right and it's very serious. It's not just the care of the animals which is of course number. One thing as he does is that the animals are first but it also depends on like landscaping and. I don't know what hours you're open and things like that you know there's things that i don't understand above my head that i'm just trying to scramble to keep that certification because it is so prestigious and it so unusual that we have a we are the only sanctuary in colorado with that certification that asia. I wonder if only fifteen in the united states so it makes us the gold standard in colorado. I means that our animals are well taken care of in that. We that we do this outreach. Oh my god. So i wanna speak is a little bit about the setup. All the animals are housed. Because i think people have this image in their mind like just this big open space in all these wolves or together and that is not how. It's that's not what it's like in reality. Did you wanna speak to that just a little bit about like how. The wolves are housed And how they're not altogether. Yeah absolutely so. I also understand that you want to know a little bit about how we get them together. Yes so We try and pair our animals male female as young as possible rape. But we don't make that decision. They make that decision and wolves can be extremely competitive with each other. I mean in the wild they are you know. Constantly fighting for resources they live incredibly competitive lives so for example we have a mother daughter that live a couple enclosures away from each other. I'll explain how we have it set up in a moment. Their names are taller and kota you would think that they got along because their family but actually because they're separated now they view each other as competition. That's another breeding female. So if tala gets out of her enclosure which basically never ever happens or she gets away from. Somebody unleash something like that. They always say go. Look at kota. Because she's trying to go kill code. I mean that's how it is right so that is why we have it. Housed how we have because of this competitive nature of wolves and the the ability to seriously injure or kill each other rate. So that's why we keep them in pairs so when you kind of explain that ideology. So if we had three wolves in one wolfing closure that would mean that the two of them are alpha's and there would be one that would be below rate so the alpha's would eat first and then that second one would eat second and be the scapegoat for whatever tension in the wild wolves have giant home rages rates so an article can have a home range of a thousand square miles which is incredible We have about thirty five acres so in the wild right. They're able to get away from each other or if you know the group really doesn't like one of the wolves that wolf usually called the omega can break off go away here they have you know one two three acre enclosures. We just don't have the space to deal with the tension safely because they can't diffuse on their own like they would like in the wild right. Exactly thank you young so space intention or the answer for that. We have fourteen grey wolves at the center and they have decided who they wanna be with. I wanna talk about kota for just a second. If y'all ever come to the wolf center you'll you'll see these wolves To me they feel kinda like family or co workers right so coda is one of the wolves that we have there. She lost to mates within like six months of each other devastating to her. She was with her first mate. Promoted rely that may dis related. Which was sort of a miracle and then that may died within six months so then she she became very depressed. She didn't wanna talk to us. She was on the other side of the enclosure. And then omra came our little spanish baby rates out Him us from south america. That's another story on. Its own but anyway they fell in love and now i'm sure i don't know if you remember but she came up to the fence line. She's interested her eyes are bright. She's happy so it can be a really happy thing when they get together but imagine if we were not so careful how terrible that could beat so yeah right and i think that you know the stakes are so much higher right for you guys. And i think that. I have so much respect for y'all as an organization for so many freaking reasons but one of those really being that you recognize the individual animal and their preferences right and i think with wolves you have less wiggle room right like domesticated dogs. We push them a lot. We ask a lot of them. We get away with the lot but with wolves. We don't have the luxury because the stakes are so high. So can you explain just a little bit like the introductory process so obviously it's kind of hard because people aren't there to see but i think that you have a really beautiful Set up making sure that there's no room for error when you're kind of getting a sense for like wolves like each other and be together forever. Yeah yeah that's a great question. It's a common question at the center. So just the logistics. Of how rate so i have never been there for a wolf pairing actually. Unfortunately someday i will but i can tell you. This is what people tell me how it goes. The first thing we do is we take one of the wolves and we kind of walk. What he or she around the other enclosure rape now one of the wolves and kiko. We tried to set them key. Coa was inside the enclosure. They walked mccooey around the enclosure It i'm getting ten tikey. Coa he calls said no. I don't want that lady get her away from me. Teeth are hackles all that rate so we did not didn't go any further so that ended up being initially sad but then we took mccutchen and we walked around keanae enclosure. And i was like ooh that hot mama is out over there. Then we move to the next step ray and i really mean by losing hat. Level rate is positive body language so body language between dogs moses very similar is a lot more complex with wolves wagging tail can mean a lot of different things. I'm sure it's the same with dogs that any case Keanae with his body language. Said i want that wolf ray. So very slowly. We began to bring them closer and closer together eventually. If we think things are going good we have what we call a matchmaking enclosure. so that's one. Enclosure separated by a corridor at an at the other enclosure on the other side so we can close that corridor and allow those animals to spend time around each other hearing each other talking to each other smelling each other without being able to get at each other when we finally feel that it is safe for both the animals we will bring them together with keanae mccoo with that little story. I just told we have a really great video our youtube. It's called wolf tango I just have to admit to you. I just watched it a couple of months ago. It is so adorable. They played for like hours together. Yeah so that's a really happy example. Oh my god okay. We'll all definitely include a link to that in the show notes. That adorable ness. But i think that you know. I think it's just important to highlight. Because obviously woes in domesticated dogs are very different but like so much of integrating domestic. Dogs takes a lot of like that. Same framework right taking it. Slow listening to the animal. What are they telling us of their and comfortable. We take the pressure off right. It's not about forcing you know wolves or dogs to do anything. It's just about trying to set it up so that everyone can be successful and there can be. You know the least stress to everybody absolutely absolutely. Okay so do you want to speak a little bit to what your tasks are at the center when we were there everyone on. We did of feeding tour right so she had her her rubber gloves on the raw meat and she was feeding all the animals. It was amazing. I loved it so much. You wanted to speak more like like what your day to day. Task look like there yet. You mean me personally. Yes so you know everything that you see there is is done by us so you know the gardening landscaping the mucking Everything right so my day usually starts out with some physical labor Especially when i first started before i came became more valuable and other ways right So then we do some physical labor and then pretty quick. The interactions get started and that is my absolute favorite part of the job. It is incredible interactions People come in and they expect one thing An the interaction is absolutely not what they expected. I mean i see grown men cry like once a week. I'm not even exaggerating yet. Because it is such a beautiful and magical act even say spiritual experience for a lot of people leave. It really is right. He got yeah. You gotta do so We do the interactions. And then i usually give some sort of tour You know very similar to the one that you took and then probably more physical labor and probably more interactions in the more fiscal labor. In at the end of the day. I get sick. Usually i get to feed them and and sometimes during the day depending on what's going on you know all make their food. You remember those white buckets that we carry around in theaters yours. We prep all that given their medicine. You know all kinds of stuff. Yeah yes that's what my day to day usually looks like my god. That is awesome. Okay so i wanted to talk a little bit about why y'all exists rate. Because i think that that's something that really opened my eyes right. Like i didn't know a lot about the need for housing wolves and not even just housing wolves but like educating the public like you guys do so much more but can you speak a little bit y. The center exists. Yeah absolutely so. I think that begins with how the center got started right so a little less than thirty years ago. New orlean our founder amazing woman. She put up a sign and may not have all these numbers correct. But this is the general story rate so about thirty years ago she put up a sign that said wolf dog rescue and she has also told me. Don't use the word rescue unless you seriously mean it. Because within like a week she had like a dozen animals right. Yes because people do not understand wolves especially not wolf dogs So that's how the center got started at. She just took it from there She found this need her passion and it was just kind of a perfect storm that created the center. And we've been crawling uphill at our hands and knees you know ever since. So that's how the center got started but and that you can stop me if this is a little bit too much information but why is there a need for center in the first place so i heard you mention that we are wolves we do. House are wolves. But i want to clarify a little bit so our wolves ever had the chance to be out in the wild rate so mccoo for example she didn't. It's it's not like he was found in the wild with a broken leg and we took her rate. That is not how the center works. Because we do those interactions. We tryin. Stay away from rescues because we can't have animals that we can't depend on right that that have been abused or something like that. Now we do have some rescues That's just not the purpose of the center right now. There are two wolves that were born in the wild Their names are dakota and diego. There are mexican gray wolves now. Those guys were born in the while. The purpose of us having them is conservation not socialization rate so for most of the other wolves. In some of the other coyotes the purpose of having those wolves is for socialization for the ambassador programs or those interactions to teach people the mexican gray. Wolves are there because there's less than one hundred and fifty of them out in the wild rate so that's a captive breeding program that we can participate in because we're easy a certified that's called called the species survival plan for for those up on on the program but the the larger question is is what happened to wolves. I think. Maybe that's what you're really getting at rate. So what happened to wolves. And i don't mean to be the yeoman's are bad person you know but this is Yeah so when europeans got here. They grew up on inaugural those stories That we still tell our kids today. So that stories like lord riding hood the boy who cried wolf the three little pigs. That list goes on and on and on right. They also grew up with the plague in their history. So in thousand nine hundred there is a a red pandemic going around called the black legged great and during the black plague so many people died that they literally could not bury their dead so they had these. They had to have mass open graves outside the city walls and your predators near scavengers especially your predators came down and said hey free buffet rates It's very difficult to be a wild animal. They're gonna take any opportunity that they can obviously but european saw this and sometime saw wolf with a leg in their mouth or something like that. And i said oh. They're people eaters so now we have this fear already europeans get here and they saw this huge vast land they said this land is infinite infinite ray and wolf populations today are sort of a really tragic example of that human hubris because obviously the land is not infinite. So i think the first reason that we're there is to teach people about wolves to teach people that they are not the monsters that europeans thought they were and that people still think that they are today so europeans might have grown up on those dramatic fairy tales. We just listed but we're still growing up on our own versions of those so we you're not either those stories as a kid rate but i also have seen movies like the gray the revenue Even red dead redemption which. I started playing super fun but none of them portray wolves in a happy light or her a realistic. I challenge you to find one example of any media. Hollywood big media that portrays wolves in a in a realistic way. It's extremely common so now we are growing. Well they've been vilnai's for so long and like you know just for everyone listening. You know. obviously everyone who's been listening to. The podcast knows that. I'm a huge pit bull advocate and like there's just the parallel but like the stakes are just so much higher in the consequences to wolves are just so much higher but the parallels are exactly the same. There's been this dialogue of wolves being monsters and they can't be trusted and that has been so detrimental to their populations and not just the wolf populations but the ecosystems that large that they don't exist anymore right absolutely. Yeah absolutely. I love it. I have to say they're the sweetest babies ever. I cannot match. And that's what i feel about the wolves to i. I can definitely see the parallels between our work as well. Yeah definitely right okay. So can you just give us an update as like president's day like as far as wolf populations in the us are due dramatically different from what they were pre european settlers. Ray yeah yeah absolutely so before. European settlers conservative estimates estimate that there were about four hundred and fifty thousand wolves rate but then up into the mid nineteen sixties. Even the government was putting out these predator control programs which basically meant incentivized extermination through our government. That's how a lot of our government agencies got started. Is these predator control programs. So from the time europeans got here up until nineteen sixties nineteen seventies destroying their populations. So by one thousand nine hundred. There was only three hundred to five hundred left in the lower forty eight states. Yeah oh my god that is startling. Yeah half a million to three hundred. Oh my god i mean. Those numbers speak for themselves. It's incredible and when. I say those numbers on the tours people have your reaction. Oh i had no idea yeah like. It's not common knowledge. How few wolves there are left. Yeah yeah i mean at this point. We're fighting for their species. It's not like i'm a wolf lever lever out cute. No this is an ecological scientific giant issue. That we're trying to deal with here and it's part of a larger issue. Which is that of the earth and all of that so right and something that I really love. Learning about an tour is on the yellowstone projects right the the wolves being reintroduced there and like on. I'm sure i'm sure you know. These numbers. just by heart. At this point but like the increase in species in populations in yellowstone because of the wolves being president was just a remarkable feat like spotlighting how essential they are absolutely. Yeah like i say my tours. I love to tell the story of yellowstone because it's a happy one and we don't have that many happy stories in we'll conservation now. I would like to qualify the australian story a little bit It's not only because of wolves now. We removed wolves out of yellowstone national park in about nineteen twenties it took until nineteen ninety five ninety six to reintroduce so for those that. Don't know this story. happened so we eliminate all the wolves rate at an ecosystem went completely out of balance because there were no more wolves. There is nothing to keep the elkin deer populations in check so they became really unbalanced. Those herds became very unhealthy. They started spreading diseases and eating up all the vegetation so because there is nothing chasing the the elk they had to stay in the valleys so they stopped going up into the mountains. So it's kind of kind of funny but it was very serious health for them. They got fat because they were sitting in those valleys eating. Yeah eating the vegetation so not only did we lose That vegetation a trophy cascade rate so Adults are probably heard that term for for those of you that have never heard that term What it means is we took out. The top predator and those negative effects cascaded down the trotha globals rate so because we took out the wolves the deer population suffered. They ate up all the vegetation and then the beavers went away so beavers are ecosystem engineers. They are super important to have around. They left because they couldn't live there anymore. So between the beavers and the wolves ecological disaster. So that is the reason why they reintroduced one thousand nine hundred. Ninety six and sense we reintroduce wolves into yellowstone national park over three hundred and twenty plant and animal species have returned on their own to yellowstone national park. Now of course that's a combination of factors but wolves are way up on that list rate. So that story illustrates that wolves are an essential part of our ecosystems and that humans can benefit from wolves not just in our ecosystems but also that is incredibly lucrative for yellowstone national. Park millions of dollars a year rate. So i don't know if. I know that you heard rachel. But for those listening if you haven't heard Colorado just wolves reintroduced into the western slope of colorado. Thank you so much revolting. Yes on prop one fourteen who we did it. So we're going to have pas on the ground by twenty twenty three so excited about that. First of all i love wolves and they should be where they're supposed to be rate but also that's gonna help those communities out there in the western slope. I mean i can tell you moving from texas to colorado. One of the biggest culture shocks was the wintertime and how slow things get and some of those communities out in the western slope. They barely survived so we can bring that tourists money into the western slope. That's gonna benefit us in a different way. Oh my god right well and like just seeing mike our dear and our elk populations right like making sure that those are managed. Because i know that there's a lot of disease in our populations of that like there's just so many positive ripple effects were gonna see from seeing wolves re released all my god amazing okay so okay so i wanted to talk about the difference between wolves dogs and obviously this is a very loaded topics. We're not gonna be able to talk about all of it but you proposed a very interesting like topic rate is. How long would it take four wolves to be domesticated vice versa. Right like how long would it take for like the domesticated dog to go back and revert to like what it would take to be like a wild predator again. So i know that the loaded topics. But i want to hear from you. Right like obviously. There's some huge differences between wolves and domesticated dogs that we can highlight but i think we can even go broader than that too. Yeah so on that subject. I had something pretty interesting. Have you ever heard of the pariah dogs. Yes gas in india. Okay yeah so. They've done a lot of research on these on these indian street dogs. So what the for those. That don't know what it is India has population of basically feral dogs. That live on the streets with beside humans but not with them so that sort of a very unique perspective to look at so a lot of the studies coming out of india on these pariah dogs have to do with their reproduction. Because they're trying to stop them from reproducing in having them all over their streets right but they also have done quite a few behavioral studies. Have some notes. here. I want i. This is very interesting. So there in west bengal in india and they've been studying them for decades so here are some differences between these feral dogs and domestic dogs. I know that's a little bit different perspective than you ask. Were directly but i think it's valuable so first of all neighboring dot. I'm sorry this is the difference between the street dogs and wolves not between these dogs in domestic ducks. Okay so the difference. These dogs and wolves first of all when wolf packs start bumping up against each other. They're going to go for blood. This is my territory. Stay out of it. These street dogs they can. Their territories can overlap amicably without killing each other rate. So that's number one So so in wolf packs. There's one female the alpha that breeds. Sometimes the wolf packs are large enough. Other wolves in the pack will breed pariah dogs these females will copulate with many many many many basically discriminatory rate. So what that's really getting at is that they're they're social and familial bonds are so much less strong than with wolves when we take makuuchi out keen is like. Where's my lady. Give her back ray. But when you take one dog out of the house. The other dog doesn't have like a panic attack rate so their their bonds are a lot less strong and they breed differently. Also get those. Are the major differences. One interesting thing as well and you probably know more about this than i do so domestic dogs as i understand. Go through heat about once every seven months right. Is that about right side variation but generally speaking. Yes yeah okay so. Wolves go through the breeding season once a year which is right about january to march and their personalities changed quite a bit. That's a different end very interesting subject these pariah dogs. They're they're having a heat side goal about once a year interesting. So that's pretty. That's that is the fact that made me think. How many generations does it take a dog to become a wolf again. You know because through a few generations were already seeing reproductive differences between a domestic dog in a pariah dog moving towards the great the wolf rate. Very interesting no. That's fascinating and like. I think that that's something that at large has really fascinating for me because like in the us. We don't observe that like we. Don't ask e farrow populations all we observe as really domestic populations right and there's so many differences not right in nyc and a lot of those are at the fall of people and right like the limitations we've given them like in the human world they don't get to like operate normally like pharaoh population would right but it's really fascinating right when we look at like the domestication of what was the wolf and know in other places the wild dog or whatever and where we are now in like that timeline so on i want to hear a little bit about wolf behavior so something i found so fascinating on the tour was okay so tell me what is the terminology again like when they hit social maturity and they start to be afraid of things. It's called neo phobia jobs. So it's really interesting because i see this. It's obviously not the same degree but like this is something that i observed my my work. All of the time is that. The dog hit social maturity and their behavior. Start to change. I usually describe it as like not rainbows puppies anymore like the dog is perceiving the world more serious but in wools they're starting to become more and more afraid of things so i wanted to highlight. Why having a wolf dog or wolf hybrid as a pet is just a terrible idea because that happens right they become really afraid of things and a wolf is not supposed to live in modern society right in an apartment right like that's not. That's it's very inhumane to do that. So do you want to speak just a little bit to that. Yeah absolutely and that's a question. I get multiple times a week. So i told you i work in the office. Sometimes that means what that really means is that i'm sort of on the front lines between the public and the center right. I get all the questions and a question all the time. Is you have wolf dogs. Can i buy a wolf dog. Where can i get a wolf dog. How much does it will. The puppy cost rate and that sort of breaks my heart because as much as i get that question twice as much i get the question. Can you take our wolf dog. Because i'm gonna have to shoot it. I'm going to have to put it down rates so this is i'm very passionate about this subject. I love wolves i love. Dogs put together doesn't always work right so there are over two hundred and fifty thousand wolf dogs born and bred in this country every year to sell to the public over eighty percent of those will not make it to their third birthday. So that's for a lotteries ins first of all wolves ambled. Dogs are extremely expensive. You have to build them those begging closures By the way those enclosures that you saw just to renovate fifteen thousand dollars so for those of you have been of the wolf center there simple posts With wire fencing going around. It is a pain in the you know what. Today's done a couple of times most dating they. Three feet in breezy three feet down briefly in most people. Don't wanna do that for a pet. They wanna keep it in their house and put it in the bathtub or in the bathroom when they've used the carpet. You know what i mean. You can't do that with a wolf dog So they're very expensive. You have to feed them all raw meat diet. You have to have the vet come to you because you cannot take a wolf dog to a vet. There are also extremely high maintenance. So when you get a wolf done or if i should say if you get a wolf dog if you decide to get a wolf doug for the first two years they do sort of act like dogs they sort of fool people and it's the same with with wolves as well for the first few years. They're a puppy their puppies rape after that two year mark their personalities can seriously change. They can develop very strange quirks for example one of our wolves of the center. We rescued her from a backyard breeder in texas. I hate to say that. Because i'm from texas true a backyard reader from texas. Her name was altana so she was not bred to be an ambassador wolf rate so the wolves that we have their most of the wolves were bred to do these interactions. That was not the case was altana. So that's zoltan was sort of a a more wolf wolf right now the time. It was a very sweet girl. If you went in there she would love on. She sent remind you as she give you kisses as long as you had your ugly human hands hidden rates so you had to go in that enclosure with your hands behind your back tucked into your jacket or in your pockets because if you tried to pick altana she'd give a dirty look and walk away. You're never gonna talk all time. It again as i understand. I don't think she had that cork until after that two year. Mark so imagine you and by the way. I forgot to mention this. We rescued her from backyard breeder in texas who is almost certainly going to breed her with a dog to make wolf to sell to the public so imagine if all of her offspring carried on that that weird quirk so then you couldn't pet your pet rates so that is just one example of how their personalities can change another example is arinda so a render was our ambassador wolf but at that two year mark. She decided she didn't wanna do it anymore. So she used to really enjoy getting on the the harness and leashes and coming out of her enclosure in meeting new people. But after that to your mark she was terrified. So we don't make our animals do anything. They don't wanna do quite frankly. We couldn't make any of them do anything they don't wanna do. Especially not into that rate. And i think that it's just really important right because so much of my work as a dog. Trainer is trying to find a balance between meeting. The dogs needs in humans needs and like with a wolf. They're never going to satiate what you want as a pet. That is not who they are not who they should be ever so. I think it's just really important to highlight for everyone listening right that like a wolf dog is always a bad idea. If there's mixed genetics rate like you. Genetics never lie. We can't breathe that out outright. Like it's gonna take a lot of generations to even debt to point where the the wolf could be quote unquote a hat dog You know it's really unfortunate. I think just as you know the general public. It's important that we all continue to educate that like woke. Dogs are never a good idea. Stop supporting these breeders. Because if they don't have and they're gonna stop breathing. Yeah absolutely yeah okay. So i wanted to talk about the alpha and the misuse of the terminology rates. So this is something that i was just so freaking delighted to hear you talk about on the wolf door because like soul much of my career as a dog trainer is like convincing people that like they don't need to be the alpha to there wolf To their dogs right because domesticated dogs are not wolves and so. Do you want to speak a little bit too. Like in a wild setting like how an alpha wolf would carry themselves and then kind of like. Break it down to like where we are. In the misconceptions what people think alpha actually means yes. What an alpha really really means is to be the mom and dad nowadays. What an alpha is that is the definition that does not mean necessarily that they are the most aggressive or the largest or whatever now by definition they are the most dominant rate. But that doesn't mean they're constantly bullying wolves out so long. My tours is ask people all the time you know when you think of a wolf. I'm sorry when you think of an alpha. What do you think of. And i want. If you're listening right now. I want you to really think about. What do you think an alpha is in dogs and wolves and i can reason that i ask it. That way is because on three separate occasions. I have been interrupted for someone to tell me the person who works at the wolf sanctuary. Don't you mean male male alpha females can't be alvis. Don't you know no that's not true. Becca you're wrong. They're always mail in. It's like how do you fight that kind of. How do you fight that. So that's why. I asked questions like that and our group was small when you came in took the tour bike and guarantee you once probably once a day when we're busier someone says male right and that's because in our daily lives we've been when we say alpha we don't usually mean a wolf or dog. We're usually literally talking about a person right. And that's when it clicked. We will meet colloquially needs but that's not what it really means by the. This is my dog. Theodore theodore how you doing there he instead. He's knees australian shepherd mix. I'm back with you. And i wanted to comment one more about when we're saying about the different string wolves in dogs so one perspective is the pariah dogs. The other perspective is me working with captive wolves rate. So of course. These wolves have been bred to be ambassador animals. They're not exactly why old wild but one of the things that struck me the most was how they make their own decisions. So if you tell a dog hey give me that back. The dog is going to say okay. You can have it you know. Usually a wolf is going to say No this is mine. I have in my mouth. And i'll fight you for it or whatever they don't they don't care what we have to tell them they're gonna make their own decisions for sure. Yeah and like you know. I worked with a wolf hybrid early in my career. Well-meaning person just you know was misguided. And i got called in because the dog was resource guarding like very heavily. Those things that i got called into quote unquote fix. I had to be really real with the honor like we don't fix this. This is part of the package rate. You don't bring a wolf dog into your life and expect them to give up raw bones right. That's not the way that it works right. So i think that the intensity of behaviors that are undesirable from human perspective are just going to be blown out of proportion. You are adding wolf genetics into that dog right right and and not as just part of the package right so i think that you know. There's there's just so many differences. And i think really to highlight that like a wolf is never going to be a liveable easy creature with you. Right he walks now. If you're considering rescuing a wolf dog having the proper facilities doing your research. I say ya go for it. But if you're a person thinking i wanna have coal instagram photos. Let's not kill animal for your instagram post strain and i know all the beautiful people listening are just as like furious as we have like people like wanting to live with wolf dogs but yeah i think that that's just really important that like a wolf is never going to be a pet rate like. That's not the way that it works. So okay so. I wanna kind of circle back to like the pervasive idea of like being the alpha and like why it is so centric to like males and bullying and being kind of a royal dick right and like so okay so in in like a wild wolf pack out. This would be parents right so they're not going to be bullying unnecessarily. They're not going to be seeking out trouble for no reason right. They're going to be making sure that one obviously meeting is taking place because that is essential to their survival but making sure that the whole pack the whole family structure is taking care of is accurate. Absolutely yeah so it's really hard to nail down like alpha's do this betas do this right because it's almost like asking humans what they do for a living. I mean because each family is so different. It's very hard to generalize. So i can give you a couple of generalizations about what alf is really. Are there the mom and dad they eat. I they control. Who breathed that to. And that's to prevent inbreeding of course but sometimes they will allow other members of their pack to breed Everybody takes care of all the pups. The alpha wolf's will start the hunt and sort of guide the hunt but they're not always the ones doing the killing. I usually actually the the younger wolves with the better teeth were brazen attitudes. Maybe two to go do that. The kill yeah and the the alpha wolves can also call off the hunt so they do have some roles but they're also so general that you can't say like the mom does the dishes and the dad goes to work you know it's not really like that if you get my metaphor yes or no. I'm totally with you. And i think everyone listening is probably really understanding not to know. And i think that there's just this really misguided approach that's just been perpetuated by tv personality. A dog whisperer. You can say it's not that guy. He's terrible okay. Just as a really random side note. And i want to get back to like all the amazing where he reser doing. At the center there is a new net flicks series. That's going to showcase an alpha trainer and it's just like here we are again other this perpetuated stereotypes of masculine figures quote unquote dominating dogs in. It's just yeah. Animal welfare always suffers. it always does. And it's just crazy that here. We are in twenty twenty one and fighting for the ethical treatment of dogs and not misguided information like you know just a highway the differences we talked about between wolves and domesticated dogs like. Why people still think that that's an appropriate way to handle domesticated dogs. I realize will never understand like why. Why okay so yeah. That's a big question. I dunno okay. That's why i don't know. I think that i think it's because there's a lot of male power and control in like the industry so it's really easy. Just to perpetuate right like there's not the not always the females at the top. Who are maybe a little bit for rational about like wall. We're gonna televise to the to the general public. But that's just that's just my take. Everyone listening already knows my take on that. But i probably agree with that. I haven't thought too much about it. But i would agree. Yeah okay so. I wanted talk about how we can get listeners. Involved in the preservation reintroduction of wolves in the united states. Yeah absolutely so. The reintroduction of wolves into the united states is not really gung as fast as it of it my opinions that could be but the reintroduction of wolves in colorado is is sort of what i deal with on a on a daily basis so first of all get yourself educated about wolves you like wolves or he loved wolves. Whatever there are facts out there and they're easy to find come to our wolf centers support sanctuaries like that also is recently when we were sure that we were gonna get wolves reintroduced the colorado wolf and wildlife center started this fund called the wolf coexistence fund. So that is a great resource. If you wanna get involved you know the money is going to a good place in asia third facility. That takes care of their animals. That fund will provide revenue for education. That is going to be the number one thing. And i don't know how the logistics of that is going to work out but we're going to talk to as many people as we can about wolves especially out on the western slope. So i is education telling people how to live. How hormone asleep with wolves for example Nonlethal management techniques a fence around your cows whatever it may be e Education is i for that fund also research materials so radio callers telemetry materials. That stuff is extremely expensive especially with wolf's getting de listed dangerous species list twenty twenty just recently. They've lost a lot of day. So this is one of the best ways that you can help. Wild wolves out there his by donating to our fund Other than that there are always things going around For example right now there's a couple of bills acting against wolves. I'd be happy to detail this for you. But basically go to our website wolf education dot org click on newsletter. And that'll keep you updated. So if i tell you a bunch of bills right now it's going to get outdated because those bills are going to pass or not so basically go to search. Save the wool this guy in colorado via no. And do what they tell you to you right. Now the wo- coexistence vendors really important also like i mentioned wolves were delisted off the endangered species list of you feel that wolves are not recovered in these still need our funding and that they should not be legally able to be hunted and trapped. You can get with the center for biological diversity right now so those are probably the two most important things that i can tell you. Also for everyone listening. Go talk about this podcast. Go tell people that you listen to a podcast with a wolf person and you fell in love with wolves. That's what i'm hoping secretly And already radio cool. They are and that they're not monsters and that they don't eat people. Tell people that we prayed and i think that it's so important. Because like we want to believe that like these misconceptions in ms about wolves like the modern person doesn't believe them but i don't think it's even conscious i think it's just subcontract. We've just been conditioned over. Our entire lives are parents entire lives to really be afraid of wolves and be further from the truth. We can all benefit. We all live in a healthier world. If wolves are the wolves wolf populations continue to grow. And i think i wanted to highlight something because i think that you know the cattle industry ray like that's a big reason why they don't want wolves back because you know wolves could kill. Livestock could cost money. And i think we have to help people understand that. There's so much more at stake than one. Cow dying right. Wait let me ask you a question. Yeah people listening. I want you to think about this as well so the situation. Let's say that you rachel. You are a rancher and you have a thousand cows out there where there are also wolves. How many of those cows do you think we'll get taken out by one. Y'all less than one like there was the statistics. One cast so deportation. That's what that's called. It does happen but it is not to the extent that some people perceive and in fact most ranchers that i talked to personally are four wolf reintroduction because they are out there on the planes seeing the negative effects of not having wolves diseases lack biodiversity. You know so. Like i mentioned before europeans got here and they thought this place was infinite. But now we're starting to realize that it's not infinite and that's part of the the major. How do i say this. That's a secondary purpose of the wolf center is to shift this paradigm of how every america in the world is is thinking about the environment and shifted from. We are the lord's to we are part of the ecosystem and we need to start taking care of it or we are going to die. My god and it's it's so freaking true right. And i think that we have to be really cognizant of like the power the the impact that we can have our ecosystem at large by using our voices and making them hurt a has resources right to donate to where they need to go. We can be the change. And you know i think that right. I'm native. i've been here. My whole life. And i have seen right like i have seen the negative impacts the landscape when deer populations in elk populations are overgrazing. Just there's so much at stake here and we have a really amazing chance right now to be that change so that our future generations. don't have to advocate. yeah the emptied degree because everyone will understand how essential wolves are. And i really hope to live to see the day when wolves are not an endangered species. That wolf numbers are high there where they should be. And i know that that's how you feel. Your passion is brands. Thank you so much. I appreciate that so much. Yeah okay so forever. Everyone listening if you live in colorado go to divide and go to the colorado wealth and wildlife son stevie. Oh my god. In holy becca in real life can get one of her kid asks tours leads yes and i wanted to highlight one little thing before we wrap it up. I have so much respect for on how you care for the animals there the enrichment that you build in the nutrition meeting their needs meeting where they are like. That is exactly what all of my listeners are doing. they're domesticated dogs in. It's really cool to see you guys just going above and beyond for those ed. The wolves foxes and the coyote in your can. So would you agree that it's obvious. would you. When you look at the animals that they're well taken care of and intelligent god. it's. It's incredible. So i wanted to highlight something so zoey. Is that her name. The black that is obviously black. Okay so. I went to the center like very soon after she had gotten there. So do you want to just tell her. Backstory is really quickly. Yeah absolutely so. I don't exactly where she came from. She was abused or anything like that but she was not living her best life as i understand. Why don't want to say what i think. She was eating because i don't know but she was not eating her proper diet. Choose not get the enrichment so her family was bred for for farm for but she was rescued by this other person who had no ill intentions but anyway when she first came to the center she was. She didn't wanna talk to us. She her jaws were not strong enough to chew raw bones or meet She didn't want to interact with people of the public. And now i mean you saw for yourself. What her behavior as she gets the zuma's it's so cute young. So that first time we went she was like doing like the stress pacing like stress vocalizing. It was clear right. Must i want the first day on the second time we you were actually standing in there with her and she was like eating from your hand and there's all these toys you built this ramp or her like i mean it was remarkable the difference in just like the behaviors that i was observing and like i would argue that she is happy and content right she sweet girl read our other there. Red foxes like today right. Now it's kinda like can i. Do you have any use such a sweet little girl. Yeah personality has changed. And that's because we all go in there on our lunch break and sit there with her. You know right. It's like you know that bonds right that mutual understanding that trust like that is what i preach day in and day out for my clients and they're domesticated dogs and like you're just doing that on a different level right. You know. you're not expecting things out of the animals that are not capable of meeting them exactly where they are right and building that trust slowly. And it's it's pretty remarkable like i honestly was just delighted. I kept telling my mom. Like i can't believe how happy oxygen i text my husband. I'm like oh. I believe it. So he's so happy. Now you know because i'd love that i think it's human we see an animal in distress. It breaks freaking parts. Ray so good. Yeah i mean it. Should it really should so okay. So yes forever. Listen you should definitely go and visit. So do you want to just recap how the listeners can connect with the center. So what's the website again. Yes so our website is wolf education dot org. You can subscribe to our newsletter. That's a really great way to stay active on things that that happened with will ration- We have some social media's well if you just search colorado wolf and wildlife center on any social media you'll get to us. Our youtube channel is especially good. So that wolf tango. That's a really good video. Another really good. Video is a on rocks. I snow because he had never seen snow before. Yeah so you gotta go to youtube channel for sure instagram facebook. I don't think we have a twitter but yeah all the major social networks. Oh i got back to you or a beautiful human being. It was a total delight to connect with you tonight. And i know that my listeners are just gonna feel so awesome about this episode. Thank you so much yet so if you go to our website. I'm sure there's contact us. Please feel free to contact us with any questions. Whether you're a six year old to know. Alan will sleep. Or if you're a person with a wolf dog that might need some help figuring added take care of the animal or just have questions call to tell you how much call me to tell me how much you loved. Wolves whatever it is. Yeah oh my god thank you so much. Yeah thank you so much and thank you for doing all the work that you do. You know i kinda picked up wolves and ran with it. But i'm so thankful to have other people taking care of our other animals as well. Thanks for tuning in. 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Abandoned: The Strange Saga of the PS5 Horror Game (Plus Cris Tales Interview) - Beyond Episode 714

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Abandoned: The Strange Saga of the PS5 Horror Game (Plus Cris Tales Interview) - Beyond Episode 714

"And hello everyone. My name is jonathan dornbush and this podcast beyond episode seven hundred and fourteen. And i am very angry this morning but i'll get to that in a second. I'm joined this morning by brian. Altana it. I do it now. You didn't do it now. It's not your fault. But i'm also doing by mexico village. Not his fault either one of those people if when you're extremely angry i can't tell which makes me just so scared that you're constantly serve upset you guys. I'm upset because i had a ton of couch funds prepared for this show because there was a possibility i was going to have a couch delivered while we were filming. This episode and i was so prepared. Had like a dozen puns ready to go and then this couch showed up like two hours before the episode. There is and it's it's just here dog. Your dog loves it. That's yeah he's he's snoozing he he's for more cameos. I guess But yeah so. I lost all that pump potential and so now we just have to talk about police station. I'm sorry that's we have to do on this playstation But we do have a lot to talk about this week including and let's begin with i think as always the continued saga of abandoned aka. The thing everyone hopes is metal gear solid or silent. Hiller kajima Those who weren't paying attention this week after the delay a couple weeks ago of the abandoned real time experience app which is available has five The the first update to it which was supposed to have a teaser. Sort of real time trailer in it. Were not exactly clear what it was supposed to be was supposed to appear as of recording yesterday at noon pacific. It was supposed to show up in the app. We're supposed to have access to it and be able to see what this game actually was. And then it got delayed Right around about twenty minutes after the app was supposed to launch with trailer blue box studios the company behind whatever abandoned is tweeted out about how there were problems with the update and they would get people as quickly as possible. They were working on it. There was an update later. In the evening yesterday it was not updated by then and there was an update earlier today Just read it on about six hours ago as a recording the delays taking longer than expected which is kind of what a delay is some. We are fully from art delays. Right on time me. Thank you for the patients and we apologize for this. This is the third tweet sort of chain from blue-box about this continued delay. As of right now it's not a available again. Given the way the show works it probably will be available after we recorded in before the show post it to cut to clarify. This is not the game this app to access the trailer. Guess though it is the the way that the developers have explained it. Is they want to prove that. The game is as high quality as they are promising and rather than just making a pre made trailer available. They've said they will also put the trailer on youtube at the same time with company app. they want you to be able to see it running in real time on the us fi even though it will just be a a trailer as far as we can tell that just kind of running in the. I also don't. Oh i the the trailer can't be on youtube at this point. This is of course for for those who don't remember. We talked about abandon a few weeks ago. When the The the breadcrumbs and conspiracy theories on the charlie dame come to life that is what is abandoned sort of took over the internet for a little bit around e-3 and this is the game that i think. So many people really really hope is kajima pulling another moby. Dick studios is konami trying to pull a kajima and take a silent hill game. I don't know about you guys. But i like. I've always stuck by the belief that this is not any of those things in his just an in-depth and in over their head. I feel like this. Roll out more than anything kind of that. This is just not equipped for the amount of probably exposure. This game has and as having to scramble. I there's a there's like a a very specific tipping point that i think it happens with kind of hype levels Before something gets announced. And i think the team is now pushed past that russia having having like that announcement setup for yesterday and then saying it was delayed and then just going radio silent is bad but also like i think there's a little bit of responsibility here on playstation side. I mean she was tweeting about this yesterday and like that. That dude is high enough high shoe. If you're listening big fan love you but you're high enough in the company that like you know either you know something or you should know something or like you shouldn't be in the same place for the rest of us are where you're kind of guessing on what's next year. Look there's this surprises should be sort of Minimalized on your side It's also like with the certification process of getting something published on the playstation store. I didn't know it was something. You kinda like. Just jerk around like this like this feels like what. The app store does on on iphone. Where they're just like oops You know there's there's a new game out in skyros here. Something of getting a release date like this is. This is how video games launched in the eighty s were. They just appeared in some stores. Some days i feel like a lot of goodwill has been burned out here by the studio. I feel like they are in over their head. And i feel like it's it's like it's it's crappy to the fans not because they've kind of gone wild with conspiracy theories to to a certain point i don't i don't blame them for that. They've been fed the breadcrumbs. I'm you know sympathetic. To the limitations of the technical size of an independent studio and sympathetic to everything. That's going on with the with the world and why that code and will and has delayed several things but at some point you have to go like put up her shut up like show us which you would you on here like if i'm i'm cooking dinner and it's taking too long and are screwed up. I order pizza. I don't just like how my family to go to bed hungry. you know. throw everything out like at some point. You got put some food on the table here so i hope they do that soon. i fear for the backlash. It's going to happen if it's not anywhere near what people are expecting. It's a and what they frankly kind of lead people to believe it might be yes in the sense of getting. Is this like it's a. it's a trailer app. Meaning that it's it's just it's not. It's not a demo right. It's not like a gay. it's not playable. it's not going to be a playable teaser. If you why not have been why like why it seems like completely just i get that they wanna show off that. Yes is actually running on playstation five hardware but like having a little thing at the bottom of the screen and having your video up on the playstation official youtube channel. I feel like covers that for the most part. Yeah i am in. I would just as soon a hold off and wait until they have a demo. I don't i don't know. I don't want to download the app to watch video. That's it just seems like it's like a completely arbitrary way of showing off identities. The yes i don't know hassan. The the the front person essentially for the studio who many people have assumed as the hired actor to kajima frontman. I just actually a developer has said the reason they created this was because a as an indie studio their their budget for marketing is very limited. They thought something like this would bring more attention and show the fidelity of the game and like granted. It's really bringing attention Obviously i think a lot. More people are paying attention to this because of the kind of roll out of all of this but also because you're saying like the very mixed messaging that has led to the conspiracy theories and things and it's something that like i i think you know i. It's it's a little hard to separate for me because we often talk a lot about having a lot of sympathy for the developers who were put under enormous pressure for things but this is also a game where they've been marketing it and stumbling at every point the point that for me it feels intentional to lead you on like there was the most recent keyser image before the trailer sort of ease was you know yet ready for abandoned on july twenty seven with a blurred image of a guy with an they know people think this is kajima economic involved. I know they've put out tweets that say they are not kinami and i believe that but they know the vast majority of attention is as people think it's that and to do that. Just exxon those conspiracy theories and again ranted man. That really brings people attention to your game. Like you've are definitely paying attention. But i got to imagine it's going to earn people when the game gets revealed the end. I believe we may very well still be proven wrong. But i believe it is not kajima. Yeah no i'm with you i. I've been thinking about a lot when i was a kid. I went with my family to washington square park in new york city. And there was this dude doing street magic there and at the beginning of it he got like a whole crowd of people around and he was like at the end of this show. I'm gonna climb through my hat. Nobody's ever done anything like this before. But if you all pay me. I'm going to do the trick at the very end. And so he did all these like kinda low levels magic tricks not even like david blaine stuffers levitating just like card tricks and coin from the ear like uncles do and at the very end He had like this chug antic hatful of money. And he's like you all. I mean to climb through this right now right but Yeah well we're gonna have to do that another time. And then he left with a full of money and everybody. I've just i remember being like hid being twenty five. People just got ripped off in the middle of the park. We got tricked socks and he left. And i was like that. It's sort of like this. Is evoking similar feelings. Obviously we haven't paid for this but we are investing time and sort of like our our brain power in debating and discussing Who do we blame the fans. Hyping this we blame the devs for hyping this. We blame kajima blame. Sony like it's just a whole it's a whole big thing that hasn't really lead to anything yet. And it just hide. Feels like we're getting hoodwinked right here. I i have to just keep reminding myself that there. You know there has to be a better way to drum up attention for your project. Like i understand that. It's a competitive market out there and it's it's cutthroat in. It's a hundred games released every second at this point with got to be a better unless nefarious unless sort of misleading. Way to drum up support and attention for your for your new game like i just gotta be like this. Just doesn't feel right so far. Yeah yeah just. It's it strikes me. As like i mean we're i feel like we're good at being professionally disappointed and frustrated by things and i think a lot of people the audience or you know the people who are expecting this to be silent hill game where people who have like you know taken. Those hints in those teases in those Did these people have pr. Because they have a pr person. Who's in charge of of their if they don't have enough money for marketing in the conventional sense and they're doing a label he's our app or whatever but like i feel like this. Just this is going to be a disaster map Yeah i think people are gonna get angry boy who cried wolf stuff like and it's it's yeah. I think it would almost be. I don't know. Is it preferable the have a you know a game. That's that's received quietly or you know quieter than you might like. But maybe operative or a game that's received with outrage and disappointment on a grander scale like what it seems like kind of a gamble and yet again. We're we're talking about david. Nothing it's this trailer we've seen so far. The minute is a bunch of shots of trees just trees in the win. It looks gorgeous but it's also like that's i mean that's like tech demo stuff we've seen we've seen that and get that they want to show something off that's like oh here's what the gameplay looks like in action on your ps five. And that's that's great too. But like i just i don't don't yeah. Yeah i mean it's and again we are incredibly simple sympathetic to to the way the world has impacted aimed. Have if you look this fall. It is unrecognizable release wise from what we anticipated even two months ago. Right like so. Much stuff is shifted. i feel like if and what we've seen with a lot of studios is they put out like an image twitter and they go. Hey like you know. Given the safety of our company and our employees and the wellbeing of everybody. We've made the hard decision to move our game to hugh won twenty twenty two and if you read the responses outside of a couple of garbage boys. Most of the people are overwhe