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NXIVM Pt. 3: The Master and the Slave

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NXIVM Pt. 3: The Master and the Slave

"Due to the graphic nature of this cult crimes, listener discretion is advised. This episode includes discussions of sexual abuse and child abuse that some people may find offensive. We advise extreme caution for children under thirteen. In Two Thousand Sixteen Nicole lay naked on a table. She was blindfolded and beyond at the ankles and wrists. And she shivered from the Cold Nicole. Probably wondered how she got there. She just wanted to be a successful actress. That's why she trusted. Allison Mack months earlier thirty four year old. allyson had invited to call to join a women's empowerment. Group thrilled better not be veteran would take an interest in her. Nicole accepted then came the demands. I Allison told Nicole to call her master. Then she insisted that Nicole remained celebrate for three months, but it was allison's final request that led to Nicole lying naked, blindfolded and bound with only fifty six year old key through a neary at her side. All! Nicole was immobilized. Someone began performing oral sex on her. At first. She assumed it was Keith, but then he started talking to her even as the act continued. That's when Cole realized with horror that she didn't know who was going down on her and bound. She was there was nothing she could do to stop them. After the oral sex she hadn't consented to Nicole returned to. Show talk, however when she told the actress what had transpired with Keith, ellison didn't seem surprised instead. She told Nicole that she was brave and she had earned the privilege of working more with Keith. Hi, I'm Greg Paulson and I'm Vanessa Richardson then. This is colts. Apar- cast original every Tuesday. We look at cults, practices, their leader and their followers. You can find all episodes of cults and all other podcast originals for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts, just dream cults for free on spotify just open the APP and type cults in the search bar. This marks the second week of our deep dive into nexium. The group made headlines for physically branding celebrity. Celebrity late and membership, and coercing them into being sex slaves, all to satisfy its narcissistic leader. Keith remarry in this episode will explore Keith's relationship with actress Allison? Mack then will detail the role. Alison played in his predatory sorority. Finally will cover some of the horrifying practices. Keith inflicted upon DOS members in Thursday's final episode will delve into the unmasking of dos for what it really was. A sex ring will follow Keith's desperate flight to Mexico and his eventual capture and downfall. We've got all this and more coming up. Stay with us. In two thousand, six forty six year old Keith Ranieri was a man completely in charge of his kingdom, he built nexium up from nothing, and though the corporate clients initially coveted had rejected him. Keith more than made up for it. By securing billionaire heiresses, Clarence Sara Bronfman as members, however, the shiny is and Keith's crown was his newest recruit allison mack. Five years earlier in two thousand, one, nine thousand nine year old allison mack was cast to play super. Man's best friend in the hit teen soap smallville in addition to being a superheroes POW. She worked for the SMALLVILLE newspaper. As a result, her main driving impulse was the search for truth liker character. Elson to was motivated by a search for Truth and purpose in an interview with journalists coronel. A friend described her as someone who was constantly searching for something that. That was missing at her life in two thousand, six, perhaps twenty four year old. Allyson believed she would find that missing thing in nexium. Maybe that's why she climbed into the Bronfman's private jet and flew to Albany New York to meet the vanguard. Keith through neary Ellison's initial meeting with the smartest man. The world must have been successful because according to journalists. Rebecca son in Scott Johnson. She was still in Albany surrounded by vanguards inner circle a few weeks later. Allison wasn't the only actress drawn in by nexium fellow Smallville Co Star Kristin. Cruch who why five Oh actress Grace Park and Battle Star. GALACTICA actress Nikki, Klein were all reported members. Actresses might have flocked nexium because of Keith's claimed that he could coach anyone to do anything. Even win an academy award. However, there may have been another reason. They felt drawn to the group. Research suggests that artists. Are Susceptible to charismatic cults Vanessa's going to take over on the psychology here throughout the episode, please note. Vanessa is not licensed psychologist or psychiatrist, but she has done a lot of research for the show thanks Greg. In an interview with journalist Scott Johnson and Rebecca son. Jodie Wild, a documentary film, Director and cults expert stated that Hollywood is filled with vulnerable artists, many of whom are lost or damaged, so if you get a Predator in the mix whether it's Harvey Weinstein or the leader of Nexium, they're going to go for it. Those leaders might offer other forms of support that they can't get from their agent or manager Alison like all actresses was subject to the many rejections that are part of every acting career, so a desire for a more stable form of acceptance and support might explain why she was so tied to the group did might also explain why her attachment sustained. In the face of some of next seems more regressive teachings more specifically. The beliefs keith is posed in his intensive seminar called Janice. Genus posed as a female empowerment class, but it's subject. Matter was almost comically misogynistic during genetics, intensive 's Keith taught female next Sean's that women were naturally more submissive and prone to monogamous relationships, while men were dominant and genetically predisposed to poly-amorous. According to journalist Dixon Keith also preached that men inherently had more character in fortitude, and women were more prone to flightiness and game-playing the women who signed up for genetics were searching for self empowerment, therefore exposing their current lack of power and self esteem. Their insecurity made them easy marks for Keith's misogynistic indoctrination and allison mack was no different in a two thousand seven blog. The actress wrote I have a tendency to say. I'm stupid. I have become very comfortable. Talking things up to the fact that I don't have a proper education. These negative personal feelings go some way towards explaining why Alison didn't immediately recoil from suggestions that. That women were flighty creatures, lacking in character and fortitude in essence geneticists, philosophy was just reinforcing her own low opinion about herself. However, nexium wasn't all misogynistic seminars about the sexes. Ellison might have also been drawn to the cult for young creative community, and its many recreational events by two thousand six Barbara, Bouchet one of Keith's girlfriends head already created vanguard week or V. Week though she'd invented be week to be a business conference to promote Nexium, it turned into a ten day celebration of Keith's birth during the week next scenes from all over the United States Europe Canada and Mexico descended on the compound in Clifton Park. Filmmaker Mark B sent. A former next-gen likened the proceedings to a summer camp for adults. Where you had all these things you could choose from that. You wanted to do drumming dancing singing, even poetry, all of it was done as a tribute to Keith recognizing him as the creator of a philosophical movement. The veneration of Keith wasn't restricted to V. Week, either it featured in every single facet of Naxi in life, especially amongst the groups female members. In an interview with ABC's Twenty Twenty Mark B sent taste, stated that when Keith played volleyball at the compound which he did. Almost daily rows of women would wait for him on the sidelines, and then the minute there was a break between plays. They would rush him like he was a Rockstar, all of them eager to ask him their deep pressing questions. Their education was why Keith despite claiming to be Selah was able to continue sexual relationships with several of his female students, according to an F.. B. I. Report, he had between fifteen and twenty sexual partners simultaneously in the early two thousands Allison Mack didn't know this. All she saw was the rampant deification of Keith. According to Social Psychologist Robert Zion's human beings are subject to a phenomenon called the exposure affect Zairians found that the more a person is exposed to an object or an idea, the more likely they are to believe it early on analysis introduction to nexium. She saw Keith being celebrated as an enlightened beginning during the week she witnessed followers flocking to him after his volleyball games in line with the exposure effect, it's possible Alison to began to view Keith as a deity, the addition of a Hollywood actress to his coterie of admirers, likely filled Keith with joy, and yet even as he was enjoying the fruits of the kingdom he had built trouble was brewing within his ranks. Barbara Bouchet the woman who invented the week that venerated his birth was beginning to challenge his authority. By the late two thousands forty nine year, old Barbara Bouchet had been a member of Nexium for nine years. She dated Keith Rene for almost the entirety of that time, and after nearly a decade with Nexium, she had grievous concerns about the way the group was being run Barbara wasn't alone in her feelings. She was backed up by eight other women, including fellow upper level next in Susan donors bolstered by their number. The next nine confronted Keith in an article for Frank. Frank Lotto's website art voice. Susan donuts detailed the group's main points. She called key thought for his sexual exploitation of female students for borrowing large amounts of money from members, and finally for his refusal to pay state or federal taxes in response, Keith was simultaneously dismissive and threatening, using needlessly technical jargon. He told the women that they didn't have the data to fully understand the true reality of the situation. They didn't have his of leadership or the experience of preserving. Lives at that one of the women pushed back. She said that Keith didn't have leadership experience. Either since his company consumers byline had fallen apart within a few years, her accurate synopsis of his CBI failure caused a flicker Keith's previously calm demeanor, his voice, soft yolk furious. He told the women that he'd had people killed because of his beliefs and because of their beliefs. It's unclear how the confrontation ended after that. However, we know that ultimately the meetings accomplished nothing Keith. Refuse to admit any wrongdoing so all nine women defected it was the largest exodus of upper level members. Keith had suffered to date. He didn't take it well. When Tony Tallied dumped Keith, he attacked her with a series of retaliatory lawsuits Barbara. Bouchet suffered the same fate. Keith had already squandered the bulk of her savings. In speculative commodity trades, Barbara spent the rest of our coffers. Coffers battling his lawsuits all while knowing that Keith's Bronfman stuffed pockets were practically bottomless, attacking a woman who abandoned him in court likely gave Keith some satisfaction, but it didn't erase. The significance of the nexium nines defection, perhaps the exodus of so many crucial members made Keith fear. He was losing control of his empire. If that was the case, it certainly would explain why. He reacted with such ir when it seemed, he was losing his hold over one of his young female members. Up Next Keith raniry exerts absolute power over one young woman's life. If. You're a fan of puzzles like me. You will absolutely love the fantastic five-star rated mobile puzzle game. Best beans while it's a casual game. 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In two thousand, nine forty nine year, old Keith Ranieri was reeling from the defection of Barbara Bouchet. Susan don't as and seven other upper level NEXANS, their sudden exodus likely made him question whether his hold over his empire was as absolute as he believed perhaps driven by a desire to maintain control Keith reacted with fury when he started losing his hold over twenty six year old next in named Danielle. Flores by two thousand ten, Daniela had been a next for ten years after moving to Albany at age sixteen Keith had started grooming her shortly before she turned eighteen as A. Student with dreams of Harvard shopping excited to learn from the smartest man in the world in the decades since her arrival, however, all Keith taught her was how to clean offices and pleasure him sexually the significant age, difference and unequal power dynamic of their relationship was concerning enough, however, what made kice affair with Daniele? Even more disturbing was the fact that he was also having sex with her sisters. Mariana and Camillo Daniele may have been able to ignore this unnatural setup, however, on one occasion Keith attempted to coerce her, and whatever sisters into having A. A threesome with him. The traumatizing interlude only came to an end when both sisters broke down crying. That wasn't the worst of Keith's behavior at different points. In time he had impregnated all three sisters and insisted they get abortions in the aftermath of Danielle is abortion Keith presented the traumatized girl with a silver lining. He told her the procedure would help her. Lose weight claiming that Olympic athletes often got abortions as part of their training in light of Keith's cruelty. It's no surprise that in two thousand, ten, twenty, old down, yellow looked for affection elsewhere. She developed a crush on fellow nexium member. Ben Myers although Keith was having sex with two of her sisters and countless others. When he found out Daniele was romantically interested in someone else, he lost it according to journalist EJ Dixon Keith became enraged by the supposed ethical breach and sent his other girlfriends including prefect to encourage Daniele to apologize ultimately, however, he decided that an apology was too small price to pay instead. Keith commanded that Daniele remained locked in her small bedroom as a form of penance for the next two years Danielle. Danielle was trapped in the room with only a mattress, upenn and paper, her parents fervent Nexans who had also emigrated to Albany would bring her food, but under orders from Keith, they refused to speak to her in her isolation Daniele grew hopeless and suicidal. She wrote letters to Keith daily, apologizing to him, and begging him to confine meant Keith didn't redone yellows, desperate letters, and he refused to release her from her prison. If he couldn't control the actions of the nexium nine, he could at least dictate the entirety of one girl's life. In addition to imprisoning Daniele Keith, enjoyed other victories in two thousand ten. allegedly. That's the year. He added Allison Mack to his roster of sexual partners. In the four years since she joined the group twenty eight year old allison mack had become a full-fledged nexium evangelist, she preached family members and friends alike regaling them with tons of nexium brilliance. It's unparalleled ethics. She also consistently returned to the well of her fellow artists according to. To Scott Johnson Rebecca sons article for the Hollywood reporter at different points, Alison attempted to recruit seventh heaven, Alum Beverley Mitchell and grammy winning singer Kelly Clarkson however Allison's most disturbing overtures were her attempts to recruit Harry Potter actress Emma Watson in a series of tweets. Alison implored Emma to participate in a unique human development and women's movement. Emma didn't respond to her missives, and that was for the best because by two thousand ten. Involvement with Nexium was already taking a toll on her health, according to a former nexium member who bumped into the actress at a Yoga Studio in two thousand ten, she could tell that Alison had already started a sexual relationship with Keith because the actress had a gray pallor that was common to Keith's women as they all started to get a little sickly. Keith was attracted to on natural skinny women and likely manipulated them into extreme weight loss. As a result, the former member stated that his girls looked scary. They all dropped. Wait their heads getting too big for their bodies, so they became bobbleheads yet despite the fact that Keith was bad for her twenty nine year old Alison committed to the group further when her hit show, Smallville came to an end after ten seasons. With the role of Clark Kent's closest confidante behind her ellison decided to audition for that same position and Keith Ranieri's life to that end. The actress bought a house in Albany and transplanted her life. They're committing herself to furthering the movement full-time. Keith might have read Allison's move as a sign. He wasn't losing his grip on his followers. He had done yellow in chains at a Hollywood actress, warming his bed, his control over his kingdom was unshakable, but keeps feelings of certainty soon shattered against a series of punishing events. I came the articles in November of two thousand ten Vanity Fair published a piece, called the heiresses and the cult in journalists Susannah Andrews not only dubbed Nexium occult. She also detailed the fact that by two thousand ten Keith had blown one hundred fifty million dollars of the Bronfman's fortune. That same year New York, post journalist John. Mackintosh reported on the bizarre claims Keith made during his meeting with the nexium nine. She specifically focused on his assertion that he'd had people killed, Keith second wave of attacks came from his ex girlfriend Tony Tally in two thousand eleven. She filed a lawsuit against him, accusing him of repeatedly raping her during their nine year relationship. To tell these claims were seemingly bolstered, but in two thousand twelve, The Times, union's incisive piece in binary shadows dropped in the article journalist James Emo, dotto and Jennifer Gish detailed years of statutory rape allegations from Keith's underage victims, despite this deluge of bad press and lawsuits, Keith was able to keep the fallout from penetrating his Clifton. Park fortress, according to Tony. Tallies book the program Nexans, wrote all. All of it off as a coordinated media vendetta, demonizing the press is a common tactic cult leader us. However, the cops played right into keats hands. They reinforced his narrative by not promptly pressing any charges, their hands were tied in many cases. The statute of limitations had elapsed while Keith had managed to contain the fallout from without he never anticipated the massive blow. He would soon suffer from within. Kristen KIEF was one of Keith's earliest acolytes in addition unbeknownst to most nexans. Kristen was the mother of Keith Son Gaylon. Since Keith was claiming to be celebrate the to hit galeone's paternity by pretending. He was the adopted son of an entirely different woman, however, in two thousand fourteen, Kristen dropped the pretense when she fled Clifton Park with her child in tow, according to Times Union journalist James Emo dotto. Kristen ran because she was concerned about her son's welfare in an email. Scared mother allegedly wrote Keith was experimenting on Gaylon. I had to get him away. Kristen wasn't specific about what form Keith's experimentation took. However, she might have been referring to his insistence that gala. Rainbow Cultural Gardens or are CG. C. CG was a childhood development program Keith created shortly after gallons birth all enroll children were spoken to in five different languages by five different nannies. This might have been the experimentation. Kristen was talking about. However, she may have also been hinting at something far more sinister. According to the program a year before Christie's escape, investigative journalist Chat Harden received a letter from a woman given the pseudonym Inez like Daniela Inez was for Mexico unlike the former student. However, she was heavily involved in. Keith's took initiative. Rainbow Cultural Gardens in the email you Nez sent. She stated that she wanted out of nexium. She was beginning to suspect the Keith created our cg not to teach children how to speak different languages, but rather to groom. Groom them into having sex with adults in alleged that Keith openly claimed that he wanted to use the school to teach children. That sex was beautiful and should be practiced openly. We can't say for sure. Whether Kristen was privy to claims of such tenor from Keith, but if she was, it certainly would explain why she left him so suddenly taking their son with her. Kristen's departure might have also been motivated by her fears for her own life. A week after leaving, Keith Kristen reached out to nexium ninety. Factor Barbara Bouchet journalist Sarah. Berman reported that Kristen. Told Boucher that she was in hiding with her son. She was afraid for her life. Because of the things she'd seen Keith. Do the worst of which was his attempt to pull off what she termed a Mexican plot in this gambit. Kristen claim that Keith bribed judge in Mexico. To issue an indictment against Barbara Tony and Susan donors. They were going to be lured south of the border, and once they got their Keith's upper level, Mexican contacts were going to put them in prison. When a Shock Barbara asked how serious keith was! Kristen responded that the plot had been three years in the making more chilling. Kristen stated that she'd long realized that Keith was not trying to succeed. He was trying to enslave as we covered last week Keith exhibited several traits consistent with a diagnosis of psychopathy in accordance with psychologist Robert Hare's checklist Keith showed signs of manipulative nece, sexual promiscuity, pathological, lying and a lack of empathy, behavioral analysis agents at the FBI identified one more characteristic endemic among psychopaths, namely their need to maintain absolute control over others at all costs given this desire Christians, defection might have been the most painful one keith at suffered yet. been with him, since almost the very beginning, thus her departure would've acted as the final blow shattering any illusions, he held about being in control. The first time Keith was reeling from a loss of control. He reacted by confining Daniela to a tiny room with Kristen's defection. Keith would go even further than that. It was no longer enough for him to control one young woman to restore his sense of order, and his hold over his empire Keith decided to enslave scores of women. Up Next Keith crafts a secret sorority to enslave his female members. High listeners, it's Vanessa. We all know that navigating young adulthood can be a wild ride for social. Media Star, Addison Ray. It's something she couldn't do without her. Mom Sheri Nicole in their entertaining new podcast original series. Mom knows best. Addison goes to her mom for advice on all things growing up one here more. Here's Addison and Sherry to fill you in. Hey I'm addison ray and her mom Sherry and every Monday on our new show. Mom knows best. We're going to get real about all the ups. And all the downs of growing up finding love and going viral, we have a bunch of topics signed up like living with your parents dating during a pandemic, and so much more, and since I know best y'all know have some advice to share. Okay, but do you really know best is the name of the show all right well I think we can let them be. The judge of that. New episodes of mom knows best every Monday exclusively on spotify so follow, and you can listen for free. Now back to the story. By two thousand, fourteen, fifty four year old Keith Raniry had weathered a slew of rapid fire attacks on his credibility I. There were the critical articles that branded him as a cult leader and sexual predator. Then his ex girlfriend Tony. Tally sued him for raping her during their eight year relationship. However, it was Christian Kief. His most loyal subjects that dealt keith the most grievous blow. She left him taking his son with her. But much worse than that. Kristen forced Keith to realize that his hold over nexium membership wasn't absolute, and that was unacceptable Keith taught students that he could control technology and the weather. How would it look if he couldn't even keep his own house in order? In two thousand, fifteen, fifty five year old Keith find the solution to the mutiny in his ranks, he decided to create a secret society of female slaves. He called the group Dos. Dos stood for Domino's obsequious sorority them Latin which they reportedly translated as master over the slave women like both consumers, line and nexium. Keith crafted the group to have a pyramid structure. However, DOS didn't sell discount consumer products like CBI nor self improvement classes like nexium. In fact, joining the group was completely free, but that didn't mean that there wasn't a price to pay. In order to gain access to the secret society next in women were forced into sexual slavery. However Keith knew that he couldn't enslave is female members outright instead he needed someone to put a glossy veneer on his heart's darkest desires in the past Keith would have likely turned to bubbly Pam K. Fritz to act as Dawson's unthreatening face as a member of Keith's original three woman Harem Pam was the cult leaders main Capo procuring him beautiful women to sleep with on demand, however, in two thousand fifteen. Pam was dying of cancer so Keith turn to Allison Mack instead. By two thousand, fifteen, thirty three year old Allyson was more numbered of Keith than ever. The depth of her feelings were evident when she sang Donny Hathaway I. Love You more than you'll ever know. At fifty-six birthday celebration with tears in her eyes, the emaciated actress crooned. I'm only flesh and blood, but I can be anything that you demand. Sentiments of that nature were also conveyed in an email. Allison sent to Keith according to journalist Ej. Dixon in the missive, Alison explained how grateful she was to be. Deepen Keith's thrall. How disappointing her own strides towards self empowerment had been, and how nothing made her feel so powerful has to be made by him to feel powerless in other words. Allison and Keith were perfectly matched. He wanted power, and she longed to be powerless. Unfortunately, controlling one willing woman wasn't enough to satisfy Keith desires to gain access to the scores of women. He coveted he convinced allison to be one of DOSES FIRST LINE SLAVES In addition to Allison Keith directly recruited seven other slaves, including prefect dot Lauren Saltzman these first line. Slaves were unique because they knew that Keith was their master, he convinced them that being enslaved to him would help them in turn become masters of their own lives once they bought into this paradox Keith encouraged them to recruit slaves of their own bus, becoming masters in their own right. According to the program unlike the women directly recruited by Keith the second line slaves had no idea about his role in the group they joined under the false pretense. The DOS was an exclusively female organization. Nothing could be further from the truth as the sole man atop the whole sado-masochistic Pyramid Keith was the grand master. And he had big plans for Dos according to Vice Journalist Sarah. Berman Keith, told Lauren that he envisioned the sorority amassing thousands of members to that end. He told her to work towards recruiting one hundred slaves. According to the program, the recruitment process went like this. Alison Lauren or one or the other first line. Slaves would approach a nexium member and asked them if they want it to be part of a secret society of bad ass, women who were dedicated to the empowerment of other women. This pitch was seductive, because it was always delivered by an upper level next-gen, wanting to be considered one of the elite. The recruit usually said yes. It was at that point that they were asked to provide collateral a sort of insurance policy. That would make sure. They kept the group a secret journalist EJ Dixon wrote that collateral often took the form of sexually explicit material, such as videos of recruit masturbating for postmarked false confessions that relatives or loved ones had sexually abused them. The implicit threat was that. If the women told anyone about DOS, their collateral would be released unbeknownst to the women. Even if they did keep the secret there. Incriminating items were usually shared with Keith. Once they provided material for their own future blackmail. Their recruit was officially a slave. This designation came with a whole new set of rules. First slaves had to carry out their master's commands. No matter what in order to prove this allegiance, they participated in readiness drills. This meant that slaves had responded texts from their masters within sixty seconds, no matter what our, even if it was the middle of the night, if they failed, they had to submit to punishment, recrimination took many forms, sometimes underperforming slaves were forced to take cold showers or made to stand barefoot in the snow other times they were puzzled or whipped journalist Colin Moynihan reported that on one occasion Keith even called in during a beating to tell. Tell the women to make sure that they snap their wrists in a particular way to inflict maximum pain on the slave, in addition to occasionally taking beatings, slaves were also required to meet three times a week with their masters at the start of these sessions both slave and female master alike were required to pose for a naked family photo in these pictures Keith insisted that women's legs be widely spread, and their vaginas prominently angled towards the camera as though this weren't intrusive. Enough slaves also had to follow a set of rules that dictated specifics about their personal appearance. Some slaves were required to adhere to a punishing five hundred calorie a day diet. They also were under strict orders not to groom their pubic care, lastly had to commit to remaining celebrate. They weren't even allowed to masturbate. The purpose of this particular set of rules was twofold I did ensure that the slaves fit Keith Sexual Preference for emaciated women who didn't lacks secondly it kept all their sexual energies in tight reserve, however, as mentioned initially, none of the second line. Slaves had any idea about Keith's involvement. They were told that they were doing all of it. The cold showers, the graphic pictures, the restrictive diets for their own empowerment. While it's difficult to understand how they bought into this justification. Their compliance was likely to societal messaging. We've all been subject to concepts like no pain. No gain you have to break a couple of eggs to make an Omelet. Sure getting paddled hurt, but if it made a person mentally tough enough to pursue the things they wanted wasn't worth it. In that same vein, a five hundred calorie diet was punishing, but at taught a person disciplined and delayed. Gratification weren't those good lessons to learn. It was all in the name of becoming a bad ass like they've been promised this second thing that might have made doses. Extreme path to empowerment seem acceptable was the larger self-improvement climate at the time in the two thousand ten's wellness enthusiasts were stuffing jade eggs into their vaginas. Silicon Valley Titans were injecting the. The blood of the young into their veins in light of that taking a cold shower and submitting to a paddling might not have seemed so strange, however like the frog in the pot of water once the second line, slaves had accepted Dasa's approach was a little off the wall, but temperature was turned up eventually one of the first line slaves like allison mack would give a second liner. The assignment also known as the order to Seduce Keith Ranieri. It was this task that upper level next year Monica Duran assigned to her slave, sylvie, according to journalist Amanda Arnold to fulfill her assignment. Sylvie was at first only required to send Keith explicit pictures and text messages eventually, however, she was subjected to physical sexual encounters. Arnold reported that in one incident. Keith performed oral sex on Sylvie after the encounter. He told her that he was her grandmaster sylvie. Later stated that at the time she felt so much. Much shame she felt everything was just lies and secrets and darkness. If Keith was aware of Sylvia's despair, it didn't bother him. Her Experience Mirrored House. Several of kice interludes with a slaves transpired once they were given the assignment by their masters. They'd proposition him sexually then Keith would either go down on them or have sex with them. However, intercourse wasn't always possible as Keith neared his sixties. Erectile dysfunction became a frequent problem according to journalists Rebecca Son. Son and Scott Johnson. A former next said that if Keith had difficulty getting an erection, which was often, he blamed it on her weight. Despite Kate's callous treatment, the members of DOS couldn't just leave the group. They were trapped there. Bondage was threefold first as longtime nexans, many of them had been indoctrinated by the precepts of genus to view men as being inherently poly-amorous, while women were monogamous, so in essence they'd been groomed to somewhat accept the setup. Setup of several women sleeping with one man. Secondly, Keith was revered as a deity within the group, so refusing his advances might not have seemed like an option. Lastly, members of DOS feared that if they did try to leave, their incriminating collateral would be released out into the world. How ever if the combination of this threat and their religious indoctrination didn't prove deterrent enough Keith's most devoted slave, allison mack was always there to bring disobedient members to heal. According to Scott Johnson and Rebecca sons reporting to analysis, slaves said the actress was incredibly intimidating, cruel and punitive when they balked at having with Keith. Allison allegedly screamed at them. You made a lifetime vow. Then she berated them and told them they were worth nothing that they were weak and couldn't uphold their word. She also told them that if they refused her orders dated, other men left the group or fused sex with Keith Day would be destroyed, but while at and may have seemed unfeeling on. On the outside internally, she was breaking down. Johnson, and son reported that around this time the actress panda veritable cry for help on her blog, writing cold sweats. Constantly, the anxiety of being caught makes my heart through from like a hummingbird someday I will be discovered I will be found out and yet ellison spheres is didn't prevent her. From engaging in the worst violation Dawson inflicted on its members on the contrary acting on Keith's orders Alison, insisted that slaves performed one more act of loyalty physical branding. When they screamed in agony over the hot cauterize ING pen, searing their skin, Alison instructed them to feel the pain and think of their master. Perhaps during these ceremonies, allison was doing the same in lieu of smelling the singed flesh. Maybe she cast her mind to Keith as for fifty five year old, Keith, his thoughts as always we're on himself. He was smart enough never to attend the branding ceremonies. However, he received pictures of his handiwork, and the site likely filled him with joy. After, all the brands were permanent proof that he still had control over his empire. He was the grand master. However, none of it would have been possible without his most loyal slave, and for that. Keith sought to reward alison. UNBEKNOWNST to the women, getting branded the symbol, being burned into their flesh, was a combination of the letters, A. Am and Kr Allison Mack and Keith Ranieri there are linked initials forever spelled out in blood. The brands might have been absolute, but Keith's Pyramid of Sado masochism was not already cracks. Doubt were beginning to form in the women who made up its foundation, and soon the whole thing would come crumbling down. Thanks again for tuning into colts, we'll be back Thursday with the final episode of our four part special will cover how news about nexium hit the tabloids leading to Keith's imprisonment for more information on Keith Rainier amongst the many sources we used. We found the program inside the mind of Keith. Ranieri by Tony Tally with Chet Hardin extremely helpful to our research. You can find all episodes. Episodes of cults and all other podcast originals for free on spotify, not only spotify already have all of your favorite music, but now spotify is making it easy for you. Enjoy all of your favorite podcast. Originals liked cults for free from your phone, desktop or smart speaker to stream cults on spotify just opened the APP type cults in the search bar will see you next time. Colts was created by Max Cutler and is a podcast studios. Original executive producers include Max in Ron Cutler. Some designed by Mike Romo's with production assistance by Ron. Shapiro Carly Madden and Joshua Kern. This episode of cults was written by Abi Galley. Eddie Mako with writing assistance by Abigail Cannon and stars Greg Poulsen and Vanessa Richardson. High again is Vanessa before we go. I wanted to remind you to check out the new podcast. Original Series Mama knows best. Every Monday join social media icon. Ray as she goes to her mom, Sheri Nicole for advice on things growing up, it's entertaining endearing, and sometimes I opening I think you'll really enjoy it follow. Mama knows best free and exclusively on spotify.

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Episode 145: Aaron's Party [Patreon Preview] feat. Andy Haynes

Yeah, But Still

07:13 min | 1 year ago

Episode 145: Aaron's Party [Patreon Preview] feat. Andy Haynes

"Erin Carter was at one point such a pimp. Yeah. Did he dated Lindsay Lohan? And Hillary Duff 'em. You beat me do that. I saw them today. Yeah. Well, it's funny that you knew that off the top of your head, which doesn't surprise me that you knew that I don't know who is who is. I, I saw that when I was scanning his wicked pedia, and I was like, what? Yeah. Hold up absolute. So Hilary Duff is is Hillary that no Alison maximum. That went crazy. Allison Mack is the smallville actress that had sex. Oh, she's the nexus nicer. Whatever who's the one that is like fully bipolar. So, so the funniest little tin bit from this Carter initially came out as bisexual on his Twitter in two thousand seventeen however he retracted his statement in the following year, saying it was misconstrued, and he explained I see myself as being with a woman and having kids, and I want a family, wait. So as Aaron Carter saying, I'm bisexual. I want wanna wife and a family. Maybe that should learn Duca means this year. Anyone's business. But I'm divorced. And I'm queer she thinks queer means single. Okay. I've been popping off on the low about this, but yeah, okay Lauren Duca so recently, she came out as queer, which is like for her. She didn't really offer much of an explanation as to what that means. You know, she's definitely not drunk. We we're off my ass. Drunk behind a paywall can we? Yeah. Of course, I don't I mean, we've told the story about her on the pot and have I oh, but without mentioning her name. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Her by name. Yeah. Those learn to go. Good. She showed up wasted. Yeah. That's it knowing you were so wasted. And then drank a bottle of wine showing that you were sober. Yeah. We talked about my sobriety, and then she was like, I know the perfect wires. She called her Somalia, and she was, like, what's the perfect year and grape to go on a date with us over guy. That's not interested in she had a tweet that was like. That after you left. I was like, oh my God. What if she was talking about you? But it's like some tweet words like walking to date. And I just realized, I'm wearing a slayer shirt, or something like that shit that on no way I really think if it's around like it would be like September fifteenth ish. Let me find the tweet brother. I'll look this up, but. Oh, yeah. Saying like so she, she said that she's queer, but then, like immediately started like only posting about that. Now she's saying gay now. Gas lighting America. Gas lighting America. But thank you. You know if yeah, where's the team vogue article about President Donald Trump needs to write a two in vogue article I wonder response called Lauren's is. Gas landing. I would love it. If President Donald Trump wrote. Yeah. Yeah. I mean so now, she's, but she's also like from Lauren do. Yeah. Now, she like if she coming out like if she really is. It's like great. Right. But like she's like it's turned in like, ten posts a day, where she's like using Jeff's, and being like talking about like being gay af and leg. Queer. Diving headfirst? And I'm like, yeah. Like mind, you I am straight. But it seems to me I would have to guess, like, you know, I feel like there's some dues to be paid. Killing gay. Yeah. Yeah. Can you come in that hot that you show at the function? Hey. I mean, it's just a little strange. Lauren Duca pulling up to the Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade being like damn I wish I wish this was a gay parade. We see her at pride in New York them. She just has her own float. She has her own now on the teen vogue, she's on riots talks, a straight man about how much she loves pussy, like I'm so drunk, right? 'cause I like I honestly I'm so gay that him I wasn't drunk. I wouldn't even be able to go on this date with you to the day like damn I'm drunk off pussy juice. Thanks for hanging out with me. I drink a whole bottle of pussies. Doesn't it seem like a type of gay stolen valor? It seems like they present it seems like gay stolen valor of some kind. I mean it's kind of like the equivalent of enlisting in the army, and before you get one doing all these, like this is insane. Yes. She like just she was married to a man like a year ago. She, she like posted this like mean girls gif and. It just says life photog- of reflecting on how happy him to be gay. She really is. Like when you divorce a man. And it has like six hundred legs like this shit is what is this man? I'm so tired. I was just. I was just I was just thinking about pussy all. I couldn't sleep I was thinking about how much. Yeah, she, what is this, like a happy Monday amazing beings thing all the now you're just into her suck. Acitivity is like fucking psycho. That's Paris Houghton's thing, this is currently as one hundred and eighty three likes. It says me hanging out with my family this weekend. And is a screen shot of a guy saying, move, I'm gay. Cool. What to say? Damn your sister comes out and just like constantly reminding you of it like we were totally fine with us. Lawyers want for breakfast pussy. Can you give me an order of gay? She also had some tweet about, like I told my mom, she has to let me have a pool party so that she could support the gay community or something really. Yeah. Just like guilt, tripping, her mom, with, like, I'm gay you have to do this dad, you're a homophobe. If you don't blow my friend call. Day for four days. The pull this card on you. Like serve her breakfast, you like takes a sip of orange juice. She likes spits it as she's like oh, yeah. Tuck gross. They're like Lauren. Learn what's wrong. What's wrong? I wanted pussies.

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AP One Minute Headlines Apr 08 2019 17:00 (EDT)

AP Radio News

02:00 min | 1 year ago

AP One Minute Headlines Apr 08 2019 17:00 (EDT)

"The masters is buck Streep all four days from Augusta and get every second of big swinging glorious setting career besting water splashing record-breaking tiger taming Rory winning maybe ego making green jacket engulfed lower. You could ask for Robin, not VI skysports week poss-. I'm what's all four days of the Mosser's for just fifteen euro search no TV today. Content Seraing boy the internet, full, terms and not dot com. Another exit from homeland security. I'm Jacky Quin with an AP news minute. The White House says the head of the secret service rent off Alice's leaving our saga megani? Reports. Officials say Alice's unfamiliarity with the secret service led to conflicts the administration says career secret service official James Murray will replace Alice next month. Now this follows the resignation of homeland security secretary Kirsten Nielsen this weekend three US service members and a contractor were killed in a roadside bombing today. An F ghanistan, the Taliban is claiming responsibility. Actress Felicity Huffman in a Boston courtroom today. Pleading guilty in the college, admissions bribery scandal are Jennifer king has the latest. She accepts full responsibility for her actions and will accept the consequences. She also set her desire to help her daughter was no excuse to break the law smallville. Actress Allison Mack has pleaded guilty to racketeering in a case involving a cult light group Nexium. I'm Jacky Quin. The masters is buck Streep, oh four days from gosta and get every second of big swinging glorious setting career besting water splashing record-breaking tiger taming Rory winning maybe ego making green jacket in Gulf floor. You could ask for Robert not go Sportsweek poss-. I'm what's oh. Four days of the Mosser's for just fifteen euro search no TV today, considering the internet full terms not dot com.

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Ep. 42 The Nxivm Cult | Hollywood Sex Cults

Hollyweird Paranormal

1:21:29 hr | 1 year ago

Ep. 42 The Nxivm Cult | Hollywood Sex Cults

"When I first came to ESPN I had on the surface something that seemed to be like the perfect life for a pretty good life like superficially materialistically. I was very successful. Oh I have the job I have the dog. I have the car I have the boyfriend I had the BOB above above about the clothes everything that I thought I needed in order to be okay and yet I couldn't stand and my family for more than two hours at a time and the idea of being honest with even my best friend was something that was so far outside the realm of possibility that I just Kinda thought you always look through life in authentically intimately and when I came to esp and I started to do the work in the coal slap do the work in the classes. I started to transform in a way that I never never expected like I literally didn't know that you could spend time with someone and not be nervous. I literally didn't know that it was possible to have a week with your family where you didn't feel like leaving. I just thought that that wasn't really possible. I thought it happened in the movies and now out that's my life. That's my reality. I haven't experienced with my family. That is nothing but joy and it's astounding Um It was supposed to to be a self improvement self empowerment group to help those find answers to their questions to find power and enlightment mint. This was a self-described American multilevel marketing company that was called Nexium that was founded by Keith Ranieri however however Gardner national attention in two thousand seventeen when multiple outlets exposed it's as a pyramid scheme and cult that forced is females recruits into sexual slavery and branding in year since ordinary and various members including former smallville actress allison mack were arrested and then later indicted on federal charges with the founder convicted of racketeering and sex trafficking it was finally made eight known that this was twenty-first-century sex colt join Hollywood paranormal as we take a deeper dive into the sex colts Hollywood and how the nexium cult shook not only Hollywood but the world the paranormal aftermath Allison Mack's Co Star. John Snyder of smallville has a little ghost story of his own of a little haunted house in the Hollywood hills so join us as we learn how to escape keep the nexium sex cult Hey guys welcome to another juicy episode of Hollywood. Paranormal fresh squeezed yes. Where are we talking about. Sex Colts. Yes sexual cults. I don't know what it says about that. I'm so obsessed with them. I am so obsessed with them called her sex. It's called any anything cult like I'm here for wearing across fit shirt. Though they're gonNA talk about me talk about the cross well guys we just recovered from a very busy weekend we had we were at the outlier fest we. Eh couple of amazing podcasters we hung out with two girls on a bench in we were of their panel or CFF podcasters others them invite only really really really sweet and it was an amazing event there a ton of link podcasters and we got to meet Todd Cochran nor hosting site blueberry mastermind behind blueberry the reason why we have a podcast host he's the guy so we got to hang out with them and then we got to hang out with coca. Flies is another podcast that we met we hung out with those two girls got to meet them very briefly and then of course the magic quest boy. They are amazing guys. They are a dungeons and dragons podcast and we got to meet Noah from the group and he was really really sweet and we we've been back and forth so we're going to be doing something then eventually maybe a part for our haunted. Hollywood bars bars because they wanted to do across over where they had you know they were. GonNa share some ghost stories Possibly you know record from Hollywood bar a hundred Hollywood bar. That's so funny because they are doing like a dungeons and dragons type podcast which is like you know when things start popping up and like you start seeing the number sixty everywhere in your life or whatever it actually dungeons and dragons. Is that thing for me right now. We're like everywhere I look. It's like popping up and I'm ironically getting ready to play my first game. One of my friends is getting ready to like hosts his own game ever since I was like yeah sure that sounds fun like it's all my favorite people like all join. I don't know anything about it. Whatever and then it's like started popping up so when he said he's like we do the Dungeons Asian dramas a big thing. It's always been a huge huge following. I think it's just like come into light with now with this like whole. Geek Ecus all surfacing yeah it is. It's really weird because like my history with it is that we were very much a part of the like satanic panic camp and I think even my dad had like the old like metal die cast dungeons and dragons like yeah like literal like thousands of them had locked them away in the basement so that like we wouldn't play with them. They were like forbidden to us. Of course we're trying to them and there was like little blake. Griffin's and Unicorns like these are really quick. No you can't play with in touch that tannock panic soups alive in our house how well that worked the two of seen him so extra but yeah let's see who else a shadow to Justin from the cut away podcast. She was also part of the panel. It was just a really cool festival to be a part of them and of course afterwards we hung out with L. A. Not so confidential at the universal city walk I but it was so funny because me Dr Shiloh in her sister. We're going to go in and do the Halloween. Horror Nights and Bryce wasn't but we had a bit of a horror ride prior to the Har. I genuinely of solid like we're never going to get out of this left. Ever Long. Story Short we get back to my apartment from out there. FESSEL wanted to change feed me at Walker and we were just going to catch a lift together. Universal Studios is only like ten minutes away from my from where we live close so we get this lift and it's a really nice woman. I I red flag is like she just was coming the opposite way and she did this illegal U. Turn and almost hit a car and then picks us up but then she made up for for it with the snacks and they were delicious cookies that she begged amazing amazing so her side hustle is you know her little bakery and and they were like Vegan veggies yeah they were amazing chocolate chip cookies and then she got on this whole train of explaining to us what she she does and she has. This bakery called Amazing Grace Bakery. She just signed a deal with the dispensary. She's GonNa make CBD cookies and throughout this time like we're driving with her she she is like driving. A little missing turns missing entrances and exit. S- and there's a point where Bryce was like we're not gonNA make get in here. That's fine look ten at a time when recommend those cookies they were in saint so if by some chance here's accuser fire not a huge fan of the lift right here and it was fine by one point. I was more anxious fueling the cookie in the car. Get a Texas Bryce ex to me. He's like we're going to and I said well. Let's find we'RE GONNA die. At least we have these delicious chocolate chip cookies that were devouring. I mean what way to go. One day Jesse these cookies and then we met up with Shiloh Dr Scott was in vegas so of course like he got to miss out on the fun fine but not enough liquor was one of my coworkers was like what would you do if I just drugged you. I'm in the middle of the maze and you had to find your way on the honestly. I just killed myself this year like I can. There's just no world in which I would be okay. No Oh it was amazing. It was a great great display of this mazes. I mean did the US the cabinet of curiosities and then we we did stranger things they didn't amish to two and three and then we did the ghostbusters which was phenomenal and then I left. I dipped out near yeah because my plantar terse fasciitis was like killing me and like shallow like my foot has a I I gotta leave my foot. It's killing me to have to go yeah so and sleep and yeah. It was a really good night. I really dig Universal Studios. Yeah even our office they they advertised on the radio and like our rep from the radio. gave us like free tickets to not scary farm and I was like thank you. That's so sweet but like I'm not GonNa in the Nice tickets. They're like the VIP ones get into not scary farm. One of my coworkers took them so they didn't go two ways but thank you so much so presented to me on a cheese tray that is handed to me by Merrill Street. No actually that would not be enough if it was like Justin Trudeau. Maybe naming let's keep our options but the bars Justin Trudeau shirtless or with the cheese tray either way either way garbage guys will moving forward reviews. Yeah I know ten cult els later so we are going to be talking about one of the most infamous and very popular colts that pretty much shook Hollywood recently in the nexium call and to open up as a little pre says we're GONNA talk about sex sex colts that have taken over Hollywood in the past. I don't think that nexium was the only one home trust me. There were some really bad ones prior before nexium and we're going to be just dishing a couple of those little details beforehand then we're going to cut to the chase and talk about Keith renew hairy. We're going to talk about his little early childhood and his early not so great professional life and how nexium start in. Oh Yes yes. Bryce has a Full Ledger Book on receipts on that guys and then of course the allison mack allegations when happen with the dose else sisterhood the sorority connected to nexium branding slaves everything you don't WanNa miss this out and then of course a moment. You all been waiting for ghosts. It's no there's no nexium ghost but there is a paranormal association so one of the stars from small built John Snyder from the infamous show. Oh dukes of Hazzard has a go story of his own so we're going to share that towards the end so let's just jump into this whole world of sex colts now. If you guys remembered in season two episode fourteen of the Buddha field we gave a really wonderful description of what a cult is and why cult was such a big thing especially in the late I would say late sixties early seventies. Y California was the setting of cults because California was a place of mysticism. wellness and people wanted to gravitate towards that another great episode to listen to as well just to get a good idea of cults in general is Our podcast friends Elliott's confidential season one. They do a really great episode on Hall so they are. They really really smart. They're released Martin. We are not just forewarning. We're really cute. We are at least yeah we have great hair all right guy so according according to Natalie Men's article on E. Online how cults take hold in Hollywood the myth of Manson and beyond now sex culture different to doomsday evil evil or other religious cults in one aspect but the leader of a church generally sleeps with as many of his flock as possible an surprising number of sex cult had been founded in the US. Maybe because of the freedom of religion in rich in the First Amendment of course and in nineteen sixty eight seems to have been a very popular thing being to have gurus to have free love and this was the whole ethos of the time free love almost all the leaders were male and and none were classically attractive Charles Manson but all exercises stronghold over their followers so the first one we're going to go over is the famous one so famous that they were even in a woody. Allen film the source so the source family were a rock and roll loving utopian community centered around continuingly involving list of new age believes it was led by Los Angeles Food Restaurant tycoon Jim Baker better known as Father Code and Yoda was a charismatic former marine and Hollywood stuntman with a long white beard and a yearning for spiritual enlightenment he enlisted fourteen wise out of those fourteen wives he birth forty two sheldon will they did and the cult move from. La To San Francisco and then to Hawaii between one thousand nine hundred seventy two to nineteen seventy seven the group was short lived dispersing racing in seventy seven two years after Yo- died unexpectedly a hang gliding accident. They were able to receive funds from a cafe cult. The source off of the notorious sunset strip which is now Cavuto Cantina. The source was so famous that it made a an appearance in one of the I think I can't remember the name of the film but it was a woody Allen Film and it's a scene where he goes into the source and he orders a bowl of yeast and then of course snl back in the seventies did a skit it over the source that starred John Belushi Jamila. She think it's John Belushi Belushi Belushi was part of that skit was rehoused any US which one was from was abused by both well. They're both it was Aykroyd and Belushi. They were both now. They created at skit and then getting me so mad at me. They go way to go. She loves US IS A show big big historical trivia nap now in Lafayette California the Purple People is a group that lives in Peop- purple houses and travels and Purple Limousines the highly controversial community officially called Lafayette morehouse formed in Nineteen nineteen sixty eight and has since been labeled a sex cult the members of this cooperative community engaged in experimental sexual and I say this with finger quotes research and believe in a life of pleasure the Lafayette Morehouse members teach sex practices and techniques and the group even used to offer offer college degrees on the subject some claimed residents of the hedonistic coop or free to come and go as they please and that the Lafayette Morehouse is a simple little community that encourages pleasurable living other say that the group uses intimidation tactics to keep members closed in behind their purple doors the free love commune faced public criticism back in ninety four when authorities arrested founder Dr Victor Bronco and his wife for possession of LSD LSD the arrest led credence to former allegations that the morehouse founder course students into taking illegal drugs and having free love under under the substances now Lafayette Morehouse which employs its own security guards to protect the property reportedly has ties to the alleged pyramid scheme. I mean of course and cult one taste a San Francisco business. The offers orgasmic meditation for Women Now since two thousand and one one case has set up locations across the world including London and Melbourne then we moved to one of the worst six colts and I one point. I had to shut my computer after reading the reports of what does this. Sob did who led this cult but this cult makes nexium look pretty small and that is the children of God a family international on obsess with children. I I'm still disgusted with them and we got the children of Guy. Guys was started in California in nineteen sixty eight by David Berg who's also known as Moses David who was the son of a preacher man but Burg became a minister for the children know for the Christian and Missionary Alliance but was expelled for you guessed it alleged sexual misconduct and alleged sexual misconduct with underage men and women. Yes not good not good. Originally the children of God church lived a communal life mesmerizing passages from the Bible in preaching in the streets it mirrored the free love movement of the nineteen sixties and the idea being. Everyone was married to everyone else. Orgies were highly encouraged but weirdly enough that it's still like hid behind the Christian bar women in the false were encouraged to have sex with strangers to try and get more people into the cult with the practice that David Berg termed flirty flirty fishing many men were convinced to join but three hundred babies were born as a result and most of whom never knew their fathers homosexuality homosexuality was condemned but not lesbianism and Berg also preached that sex this is where it gets very twisted guys but this is this is the reality of the whole thing and he believed that sex between children and adults was holy that it was beautiful and that was seen as a beautiful thing in the eyes of God so in Nineteen Seventy two hundred and thirty communities around the world at its height the cult had about ten thousand thousand numbers celebrity members have included the Phoenix Family Including River Phoenix and Joaquin Phoenix another one is rose McGowan but burke fled the US due due to allegations of you GUSTA pedophilia he communicated with his flock through Mo letters basically pornographic comic book messages and these continued it until his death in nineteen ninety four. The group officially denounced sex with children in nineteen eighty six shows. This was a really messed messed up sex cult there even reports of how David Burr described getting fillet show by four year old girl like like this is how disturbing this hallway so now we move forward to you guessed it. The nexium calms now the thing that was so interesting about the cult with that it involved Hollywood members and you'll eat so it shook Hollywood of course a wonderful podcast to to learn more about the cult is uncover with Josh Bloch who interviewed one of the women she is the ex member of nexium and of the Sorority Freddie dose in that Sarah Edmonson. I'm so obsessed with her. Yes is also ominous. There's this series. This is kind of how this we talked about this lassoed. There's a series on in amy e called extreme belief in calls and all of these calls come up so they talk a lot about that. There's there's all these survivors that they then are interviewing interviewing so there's like this woman who escaped the family of God and Sarah Edmonson is on the next episode got himself says with her because she just got out. I I mean the article in the New York. Times came out in like twenty seventeen so she's like the freshest out yeah a lot of the other survivors of course at the end of the season they do like survivor roundtable roundtable essentially just sort of talk about like the similarities and because at the at the end of the day it's about control and so like the things that are being done against these people are very similar even though like they might manifest in different ways but the woman who is the interviewee for the family of God call. It's it's just so heartbreaking. I mean really is 'cause they have like a really really high rate of suicide among ex-members because it's like all these children who were being blink child bride did to either the leader members optic separated from their families and they're getting married at like eight nine ten and then they finally escape deep and they're ruined essentially in like there's a really high suicide rate. There was that really famous video that came out in like two thousand six and it was like the grandson of the leader yes. I think it was Louise Mendosa. Yes yes loo- I if I get it wrong so sorry but I know first name is Louise. It was his video manifesto and he threw everyone under the bus before he committed suicide and then he killed his nanny as well who had like allegedly raped him and she was a call and it was this whole thing and so yeah and then like you're saying this podcast is so good. I'm so obsessed with Sir. I'm all the seasons are amazing. In the first season Nexium Siyam because Josh blocked went to school with Sarah Edmonson reporter of this series not only interviews her but interviews all all of the other ex-members even some of Keith's you know ex-girlfriends that you know he had in the past and they all had one thing in common they were all vulnerable under Keith's command. You know which is really really sad but this leads me to pretty much over this quote that we mentioned and in our cult episode and a dislike gives it such a great tone for what we're going to talk about so this is by author George Karl Heisman and she wants quoted worshipping the devil is no more insane than worshiping God. It is precisely at the moment when positive ISM is at its high water mark that mysticism stirs into life and the Foams of cultism begin which is one hundred percent true now in order to learn about next him we need to learn more about its founder and go all the way back to his childhood where we can get a glimpse on where the cracks of the founding. Shin started so key and Rene was born nineteen sixty two father jeans jeans Ranieri a New York City advertiser and his wife Bureau. She was a ballroom dancing instructor. So Bureau was an alcoholic to which is why. We think you know Mrs Pretty much starting ground of white. Keith is has his hatred. Let's say hatred towards women so according to James Vera drank a lot and drinking in front of Keith and even Keith at one time at one point describes his mom is just being an alcoholic Hollick. The age of five the family relocated from Brooklyn to suffer New York. When he was around eight years old his parents finally separated and from the nineteen sixties exceed to the early Seventies Rainier attended a word off school? According to a two thousand Eighteen Article Epoch Times Dot Com by Bowen Choi Oy Ranieri's classmates remembered him as a kind of loner who possibly only had one friend ingredients and it was a boy name Ronald and he was similarly unpopular blur in high school and didn't seem to belong to any particular social group. He's a sociopath a narcissist. Everything was always about him. He was always bragging about about how smart he was. How much better at math he was. He walked around like he had amid. He was a miniature professor said L. M. who was in the class above Rainier but road the school bus with him for many many years Mark Jackson an epoch times writer who sat next to Rainier during fifth grade and spent time with him outside headed the school said it was obvious that remarries need to be special had reached new heights when Rene came back to visit their school for one day in grade twelve now we fast forward to nineteen seventy eight rainier. His mother dies an easy to renew graduates from I think it's red renison layer earlier. Renton Layer Polytechnic Institute with a two point two GPA and during his time at RPI Rene met Karen onto to Reiner and she would remain among his inner circle for the next four decades. It's now in his earlier adulthood. According to reporting by The Times Union in Nineteen eighty-four the twenty four year old Ranieri became yes. It's sexually involved with an underage girl fifteen year old Gina Melita after the two met in theater group and according to Heidi Hutchinson Rainier he was also sexually involved with her sister Gina Hutchinson. Who Was it's also sixteen years old in Nineteen Eighty-four. When Gina was sixteen of age she later died from suicide. Narendra Ranieri worked as has a computer programmer for the State of division of Parole and in June of Nineteen eighty-eight. The Times Union profiled renewing reporting on his membership in the Mega Society which is a high Q. Society open to people who have scored at the one in a million a level on a test of general intelligence now after having achieved a high score on founder Ronald K Huffman's mega test a forty-eight question unsupervised vise touched test which had been published in April of one thousand nine hundred five and all of the mega test has been widely criticized as not having been properly early validated renew his name was listed in a nineteen eighty nine Australian edition of the Guinness Book of World Records. Now we fast forward to eighty nine to to Keats next downfall and that is the consumers byline so renew he founded the multilevel marketing company for consumers byline and within a year he ends up getting involved with This woman told me Natalie and at this point Tony Natalie is involved involved with another man. She's married and she has a son and both her and her husband or working as sales people on consumers byline but somehow somehow Ranieri comes between them she ends up having an affair with Roy neary leaves her husband and then soon grabs her son and moves to Clifton Park to be near where neary three so shortly after her marriage ends she ends up being with renewed for eight coal years Jim in Nineteen ninety-three Ranieri's Business Consumers byline shuts down after being investigated by twenty states that year new your filed suit alleging the organization was you guessed it guys appear mid. Scheme Gosh ask and ninety six or nearly signed a consent order permanently barring him from promoting offering or granting participation in an change this chain distribution scheme and ordering him to pay close to forty thousand dollars of fines and in Nineteen ninety-four Rainier created the National Health Health Network a multilevel pyramid. I mean a seller of vitamins. Ha Now that business surprise fails in nineteen ninety nine and then the mid nineties were neary and partner. Tony Natalie operated health product store in nineteen ninety nine Ranieri. Mary Meets Nancy Saul's men. Oh underlined that name because you're GONNA be hearing that other than that a former psychiatric nurse Orinary and Saltzman they pretty much funded the Executive Success Program or ESP which is a personal development company offering a range of techniques aimed at self-improvement improvement a few years later. The program was rebranded under the name Nexium an ex IBM now for nearly a DOPP did the title Vanguard Guard from a favourite arcade game in which the destruction of one's enemies increased ones power much of nexium was influenced by the teachings of of an rand one of Keith's favourite authors but eventually Keith and Natalie and breaking up and soon allegations of that break-up Cup come forward as Natalie describes that he was becoming a little too abusive now what is nexium and Bryce you have the receipts on the sign so technically nexium is branded like you said as an executive success program and what that means and I think one one of the reasons that this company worked as opposed to his other multi level marketing companies is that it was sort of this like business this seminar it was sort of how brands and so they would do this thing especially in the very early days where like you would go and there is the seminar obviously paid and they would tell you you know and I guess I should say this. Whole episode is like a giant allegedly allegedly because he has been convicted like last month ray but the things that he was convicted for come out like we're going to talk about the minute? Um mm so all of the things that have to do with like nexium itself technically is not why he's in prison so fine allegedly yes ah according to Edmonson than I trust her so I'm going to kind of take her side while trying to present it non-bias Lee because she was so involved in the call Elliott and so I think you know we can kind of trust. What she says was happening was happening because she was so involved but all that to say essentially there'd be like a weekend retreat that you would then go to like a hotel and they would have these seminars and they would essentially get you pay and then you would finish the seminar the big and now like if you want to continue like this amount of money so that's sort of like the very loose structure of this executive program? I and that you're like releasing your potential through these ways the first level is that like when you start feeling uncomfortable during this weekend a a fight that urge step one red flags but that was sort of the whole thing is like you're going to be here for this weekend through these very long sessions we the very short lunch break. You're going all day when you like get that urge to get up and go and leave this like we're going to challenge you to fight that and so they basically have all of these people and by the end so that was in nineteen ninety nine by the early two thousands roughly two thousand three they have like thirty or three thousand members essentially who are all paying twenty five hundred or more per weekend so they're generating a lot of money in a very short amount of time and they start getting people who are like semi famous. I would say or at least notorious right who are now members so they sort of have these like dignitaries children and and be list actors and like these sort of names who are now a part of it. AALIYAH heiresses yes and so it a they're rolling in money and bean gene. It's sort of getting this like like no not what I'm looking for that. It's like working essentially but I can't think of that word and so it starts getting more like reputable. Maybe and there's like Enron executives that start enrolling and there's lake government officials who were now how part of it and it's all being branded as this way to lake essentially manipulate your way into business success by like doing these things things and you'll be like the happy ever been and the most successful you've ever been so that's like the early two thousands and they essentially explode explode like it goes from nothing in the early nineties to over three thousand members like less than ten years later right so the first allegations thousands that it is a cult start happening around this time to two thousand four issue two thousand three two thousand four and they basically forced all of their members to sign in. DA's second red flag and people start like reporters essentially start investigating and they start suing. Anyone who lakes are to investigate the business and and they also they sue a reporter. I'm sorry I have his name somewhere. He's a call investigator in his name is Rick Allen Ross Awesome and he posts sections of their manual on his website and so they sue him for libel essentially and so that's like the first unreal like peek behind the curtain because there's actual copy of the texts now and this is again in two thousand three two thousand four and so that's the first like major major allegation that this is not a business seminar for executives that it's actually called and like you can see that basically the tax write. These people are in a call all and based on that initial posting people's like family members also start alleging like we haven't been able to contact our children we we are there like taking lines of credit out to like help. Pay For like these seminars like it starts like the family now starts involved make yeah our kids are like in Ecall essentially as you do so then late in two thousand three there are two articles that then come out one in Forbes magazine and then a series of articles in Vanity Fair. Oh yeah the expose s which are like huge at the time and again like they sue them immediately really as you do and the way that they kind of get around it is that a lot of the members alleged that they thought that the Forbes article it was like a positive lake free promo kind of thing that they were like doing a piece about the success of Nexium so they ended ended up talking to them kind of like cart launch and giving away like kind of these red flags secrets yeah and then when the article actually actually comes out there like pissed because it's like they said it painted them in a bad lay rhianna twisted their words and then again they sued them for libel and and they basically they like gave all the secrets about Ranieri and Salesman and and that they felt like tricked by Forbes essentially which like I just didn't give to be smarter than that but whatever their investigators. What are you going to do so now now? Where's the name Sara Bronfman. WHO's like the number three in command? She is like in this article predominantly gently and they do another article in Forbes in two thousand six specifically about the Bronfman's and their involvement mint in nexium and so they are the ones that like they have the financial records they've taken out like all these lines of credit and they've given like almost the second like two or three million dollars is more like it away more in sync like who has that kind of money and the people of course which means bowl and so they do like an expose on them and their father comes out and he's like yeah. My daughters are definitely call so it's like this very wealthy family now embroiled in this and again. It's a very it's like the second hit I would say for nexium but they're still growing like this really incredible rain in part because they just have so much money so like it doesn't really matter for them. Fast forward there is a final Forbes article at the in the two thousand ten can and it basically goes back to now the like problems at the Bronfman's are having and they have like a series of failed real estate deals and they have have a series of failed satellite nexium. 's and it's sort of starting to show like the unraveling that's happening and so that that sort of like the first wave of nexium allegations are these like very expose articles that they then of course like countersue but nothing really happens. That's the thing that's so crazy like up through two thousand ten but I noticed too they were all these articles all these investigations and it just like wasn't like nothing was budging yeah and I wonder part of that is like as a society. We kind of did that back then. Oh yeah like I it was really going to try and avoid a hero. Feminists rent income there's this one interview and Courtney love is on on this red carpet interview and because she's kind of crazy and because she's like wild girl and because like people blame her first so many things that she whatever like I get it she she has a lot of stigma around her interview and they ask her and there's a point of the story I swear swear they ask her. What's like advice that you would give to young people trying to make it in Hollywood and she stares the camera dead in the eye and she says don't go into a hotel room with Harvey Weinstein and this isn't like two thousand four out is true. Remember that and the interviewing just kinda laughs at Corny okay yeah and because commercial kind of crazy because she's like a party child because she probably probably wasn't that sober right. We just like brush it off and the reason I even bring up a because Winston but be because in general now I think we are a little bit more prone to believe victims now because we sort of see the scope of Osha it literally is everybody very few people are taking advantage of everyone and then tricking them into silence and so these articles that were coming out in the mid to thousands thousands especially it wasn't that long ago but in a lot of ways it really was and so I think that's part of it. Is that like yeah. These really damning articles came out but like nothing happened because it's just easy to be like well if they're dumb enough to join a goal then like they get what they deserve and now now. I think as a society were a little bit better not really but getting better hopefully at being like. Oh Shit they were manipulated. They are victims victims leaning Tillich believe them when I I listen to the first couple of episodes of uncover. I was like what the Fuck Sarah era come on. What was what was wrong with you but then learning more about it since that Keith. He's not a cult leader. He's a salesman men. That's what I was just totally is one of the best salesman in the world in the world because get this guy's this guy can honestly sell an open packet of ketchup to a woman in a white dress white shoes and white gloves but at the same time he can sell an empty water bottle to a man dying of thirst. This says how great this guy was into all these women he was selling this beautiful wrapped piece of candy with all of his bullshit in narcissism awesome inside wrapped in philosophical rapper and I think part of what he did that was very clever was that he got women to recruit through other women and I think that's disarming so let's talk about the mid two thousand since we brought it asked let's talk about this. Is I guess sort of like the second wave of Nexium essentially essentially an yeah when it really starts to get really hyper sexual and really fucked up honestly so like in the first wave there were for sure sure elements that are big red flags but I think mostly. It's just that people are getting swindled out of their money. unfortunately. I'm not trying to diminish that at all but here we DR and so in the mid to thousands salesman and her daughter they go go to British Columbia to Vancouver and essentially start the west coast campus of nexium and as such they they start recruiting bigger Hollywood names as we talk about the beginning of the episode most notably Allison Mack who at the time was on Smallville and a bunch of other things right and so she essentially becomes like this this major recruitment tool for the West Coast nexium campus branch. I don't really know what they call themselves for. I guess caught mean the exactly and so in two thousand eleven she basically wraps her time with smallville Allison Mack sorry and opens her home up as like a retreat center specifically geared towards this like as you said Sorority female branch of Nexium and this is sort of where the master and slave relationship starts being introduced into the culture of this Kalt yes and so you know these women are you know there's these people people in there in the next scene just the regular part and they're moving up and they're becoming enlightened and they're recruiting people and people are Sarah Edmonson. Sarah is a huge huge player in this so she joins the nexium call and is then recruited into dos yes which is dumb annus obsequious and cerebrum which roughly translates to like get the fuck out yeah yes. I believe that's the old old Latin version yes and so what happens is that they're assigned these like mentors and the mentor masters the Masters yes and they do they use that language but that you know they kind of downplayed what we say master and slave but it's it's like a mentor meant don't worry about that but then to be a part of this they essentially do what they call collateral and the genius of this is that there's collateral. Atarot the idea of collateral through all phases of Nexium so the way that Sarah explains it is that they would have you put up like a sum of money. Let's say one hundred dollars and if you you didn't go to the gym every day for that month you would lose your collateral but if you did you got it back or like you could roll it into the next one right so it it was like this very physical tangible way of like holding yourself accountable which is actually quite common in a lot of fitness kind of challenge. ENJ- type like you pay amount of money. If you like lose the percentage of we you get a percentage of the pie back so it's pretty common ray doesn't seems kind of innocuous. What excuse me keep chugging as you start moving up? They get like more and more now than just money now. They're having you know these women specifically who are wanting to join. Dos they're being told in case you need to write a letter letter saying horrible things about every member of your family and if you don't do we want you. If you don't do what you need to do to achieve enlightenment I think is Hollywood word it but like if you don't do what we tell you to do will send that letter and you need to take graphic revealing photos of yourself and like we will hold onto those news and if you don't do what we tell you to do what you need to do to achieve enlightenment will release those needs and so so a lot of these women. Sarah Edmonson included are like up and coming actors. They're trying to make it as we are and so you know I there's part of me. That does look like fuck. There's so many pictures of my Dick all over the Internet like just fucking release it. I don't care but at the same time again if you think about where we were in two thousand eleven think about how much Shit Jennifer Lawrence Scott when her nudes relieved ain't that she sent to her boyfriend like she was sort of this weird vilification like she's supposed to be good girl. How dare she take nudes. That were ripped off. Her cloud allowed for her boyfriend. We were not that far removed from that yet. So it's this thing where like looking at it now. I'm like okay but who who cares of scientology knows that you're gay just be free of that church call like it doesn't matter John Travolta. I mean like Oh yeah. It's like these secrets that they hold over you and and you're like yeah but that doesn't matter anymore like nobody cares who's gay. Nobody cares that you have nudes but in the early two thousands as an upcoming actor their career ruin irs and so they had these you know Sarah's one specific example but all of these women these like up and coming executives up and coming actors up and coming like entertainers Yup and they have shit on them and they're doing it in the name of like so that like I can help you achieve your most enlightened self and what they would do. Is that that if they didn't it was all a trickle down so the woman above you as your men team mentor. Excuse me she would like if you didn't do something that will now now. I'm going to get punished by my mentor Keith renewing but she never said that's who it was ranked. So then the women below her would be like we'll we'll punish ourselves doubly so that like you don't have to be punished as much like we will make make up for it in a way so so to say weirdly vicious cycle enter. Allison mack with her home as like the retreat for Dos S. are the home from ghetto exactly right and so you know this is now the late twenty teens and they're telling these women. I'm in like we're GONNA brand you like with this. Khader izing knife and it's like what you need to do to reach enlightenment. Titan men like the pain will help you be enlightened if you can get through this you can get through anything is kind of I think with the mindset was and so they like brand all these women and so that essentially triggers like that's I guess that the book end of the mid era yeah and also also that simultaneously the trigger for the final third era of Nexium which is that Sarah Edmonson gets out and she's like fuck this you just fucking brand handed me and I'm done it was the way that they were. Brandon has according to Sarah to it was it they made it sound like it was just going to be this little thing they're gonNA do. They're just it was just going to be this little symbol. little like probably a nickel size like symbol and and it was. GonNa be quick and painless you know but it was horrific like when you listen to episodes of her describing how they would led into this house that they had to be blindfolded disrobed laid on the table and seven women had to hold her down while they use the code rising knife on on her lower hip and the symbol was. I'm not even kidding guys. You could see this even on her book. It's like three to four inches away from curva. Jj It's really an ugly symbol. It was very very painful. She said it was worse than childbirth and also in the one episode of extremely talks about. She's like yeah they had all these things like each linemen something but then you look at it on its side and it's just his fucking initials initials shoals is it's a k. r. and then if you flip it another way is a. m. and again alison is essentially the head of DOS and so we'll surrogate sal and the New York Times article comes out she goes to the New York Times and if you remember it's like her on the front page and she's holding holding her pants down and you can see the brand on the front cover really bad brutal and then it's like this thing and because of her coming out hundreds of people leave nexium. Essentially I think it just took that. One person being like this is not okay. We keep being told like we're we're going to do these things and it's GonNa make us better people but they're branding is like it's not normal and I think it literally switches that Light Bob on and people's brain and they're like Oh fuck we're in a call and they start leaving mass exodus and so the hundreds of people even call overnight and it essentially as the the first domino in now the modern era of nexium downfall thank goodness as all cult- should be dismantled because has of her coming out and then starts opening up other investigations and there's now all these other women who start coming forward yeah and they're full on they've been coerced into sleeping with and being essentially like sex slaves and forced labor for for Keith Ranieri and so again earlier in this episode. That's why I said you know. The problem isn't that Nexium was a pyramid scheme because that's also illegal but it it is a problem. The problem is that he actually then is charged with sex trafficking and forced labor and all of these allegations winds and so he is arrested in Mexico because cowards run as Atman guard is now van gone yet Mutlu burn and so he's arrested in. I believe it's two thousand and seven. Ti least a Vallarta Mexico two thousand seventeen because because you know for men that's pleading not guilty. He's escaping to Mexico. I mean come on. I mean it was like what Tacos are that good over. There are Dr. I mean let's be real but like you're escaping your you did something wrong. Sex trafficking allegations against you don't go to Mexico. Just gotTa talk about they. Suck it out so he is arrested and charged with sex trafficking sex trafficking conspiracy and conspiracy to commit Mitt forced labor he was arrested in Mexico and then held in New York and arraigned in Fort Worth Texas so he then then plead not guilty as you said and the Attorney General Essentially States that Richard I'm sorry Keith Rainier he had created a a secret society of women whom he had sex with and branded with his initials course in them with the threat of releasing their highly personal information and taking their assets so all the things that they had like done to be like enlightened through nexium was being used against them essentially as all leaders do they. We're being told like you need to sleep with him to achieve the ultimate enlightenment which isn't that how it always fucking is it always is like. Thapa was very shocking to were the allegations and the statements by these men and women Can we talk about the requirements what's that these women had to add here in order to be in. Dos and the type of women that Keith Rainier he was attracted to so. I researched this That part of the next teachings also touted the need for men to have multiple sex partners but for women to be monogamous monogamous short. That's specifying assignments required the women Ted here an extremely low calorie diet a healthy calorie diet. Hi is usually between eighteen hundred two thousand calories. They were required to have an eight hundred calorie diet. They were supposed to look very rail thin because that was the type of woman that Keith Rainier was attracted to he wanted them to physically and not only feel oh but physically look vulnerable no offense to the Olsen twins but make him look like he wanted them skinny as a rail so he can sleep with them. That's how fucked up it is. If you see allison mack leg when she was present during his arrest she looks Hor horrific -ly Fen yeah there you go another thing too that came forward with that that whole branding was allison mack's idea so she's actually she was also arrested. Oh of course where she needs to and so that's the whole thing too. Is that like we talked about. Rocking Hollywood is now. Here's this woman who's like being accused of being essentially essentially the number two in a cold lane Hollywood starlets. Don't join calls. Do you know what I mean. It's that whole thing but she's a co-defendant of the DOS lawsuit because it was at her home and she was recruiting women and she brand human tool. She was holding them down branded. It's like God God. Can we have gotten like a tramp stamp instead like like that. It was so horrible. She's got attacked because someone me to commonly. Can we do tattoos like are you kidding me. Tat Is is what you do in your drunk. Let's be brand because that's what we do. When we're in a cult yeah you know of course don't get branded. y'All do not and she was trying to recruit some big name's Emma Stone Kelly Clarkson through some cryptic tweets that was being you know hidden behind a feminist bar of Moore's law well that was the whole thing is like they're strong like feminist women. It was a great power yeah but they're being manipulated coerced by a man you love that he asked so his. Federal Trial Keith Ramirez was actually this past May and he was convicted in June and for racketeering and sex trafficking so a little justice. Yes sucker guy but a little bit of justice a little bit of justice. It is very disappointing pointing to hear a lot of the people that are still nearly fans. They're still his followers. They're trying to lean existed. Yes exists. I'm sorry it's still exists you. Can still take classes. If you know someone. That was another thing though if I found interesting too is that it was like like a karate class that you all all of a sudden like I think when you took certain amount of losses you're given like different colored sashes yeah that was another thing that was like pretty interesting it while doing this research to that in order to get to the enlighten level you had to go through like a certain level on color sashes apparently were nearly had the belong majestic white sash one inches funny that those things coincide with like the amount of money you donate yeah funny how that Works Thunder so now here we are and like you said they still exists technically not in the same manifestation and hopefully the people you know at the end of the day like if people get something out of it. I hope that the people that like only lost money and again not diminish diminish their suffering but I hope that they genuinely did get what they felt that they paid their money for because a lot of people swear by like No. I really did really it helped in business. It helped me in my marriage. I really hope that that's true that like some good can come out of this and then like the women who are victims of this man's like psychosis like get the healing deserving sirven. I mean there are a lot of famous people that felt like they were able to overcome a lot. things that held them back and I mean this is like people would they have to understand unless you guys have to understand that this was just a self help group. This is how it was presented and there were a lot of people that came forward and said no this group really helped and I think the people that got really he got involved in the crevices of this group got sucked in deeper and deeper into that dark hole and they couldn't get out you know they're brainwashed and Sarah Sara Edmondson even says she's like I was absolutely one hundred percent brainwashed and so funny because she and this is very very common and the I watched the yoga sex call that was here in. La Buddha fell. Thank you my brain. Just fallen blink. I too was brainwash but it's funny because in a lot of these cults there's things that echo each other yeah because like I said earlier it ultimately is just about control and the way that one person can exert control over their their followers and so those things might manifest in different ways but the root cause is the same so there are echoes of each other and it's really funny because a lot of the members of the beautiful when they talk about it they would say well. We used to joke like Jabba. If we're in a call at least we're in a good call and Sarah Edmonson said the same nee they know you're right and so she's talking about and she's like we used to joke in. We would say y'all are in a call. At least it's a good call. At least it's helping us like be successful successful in like. We're not having to do anything that we wouldn't. WanNa do anyway until you are. Yes and that's one of the things so again. I know I keep talking about it but on this episode of extreme beliefs colts they have like a round table discussion in this one woman from I forget what you call it. She was in shoot the family maybe the source. I might have to look it up. I'm sorry but she talks about it and she's like nobody thinks they're in a call until they are and there's unfortunately nothing you can do to protect yourself because you think it won't happen to you and that the best thing you can do is to like listen to the red flags in your heart when they start arising but that's the things that like colts are really good. Leaders are good at what they do. They're narcissistic sister young charismatic at the same time. It's like getting involved in the very very hadn't toxic relation showroom so with a man that likes to read and rent. Maybe just chapter teams live yeah dating a narcissist. It's a real bitch. It really is I dated a guy in Grad school who I knew in middle school and he found me on facebook we started talking and and he was a huge he was big in the beauty community because him and his family. I'm not GonNa say where and what kind of company but this is a huge beauty company and they created created something that leak blew up in the beauty community and they're like millionaires right and while dating him I really really didn't understand what it was like dating nurses until I dated him in the one thing red flag of dating and narcissists when they keep bringing up fucking the atlas shrugged by an Randall off. It's like you gotta read this read it. Yes jungle wannabe. Yes I've read. I've read it. The love that book but the one thing that an ran couldn't overcome and cannot debate is depression. That was something that even her biggest idol John Gold her character. You know she couldn't explain how he would have like overcome that so there are a a lot of things to that can bring down you know especially a leader like key three will ultimately. I think with a lot of leaders it's their own Hubris to ask that. They're invincible but in the end of the day they think with the wrong heading not talking about the one on their shoulders sex sex sex cult not all of his ex call. Now I know well that is our discussion of nexium cult. Bodas know what you think and now we can go and transition into ooh the paranormal aftermath but before we do that here's a little promo from our friends at stitcher pro. Hey Boo. Hey it's bryce mature. Williams we are from Holly Weird Paranormal and we just wanted to take a second to recommend some great other podcasts that are available now on stitcher premium. If you're looking for some new true crime then check out true crime garage judge off the record. The latest project from the guys of true crime garage hosts. 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What does the Paranormal Association between Allison Mack and John Snyder later well both of them were in Smallville show and according to John Schneider in his interview with celebrity ghost stories he has a a personal ghost story of his own so according to John Snyder Star of Smallville and Dukes of hazzard him and his wife end up buying a little old house in the Hollywood hills and they did some renovations so you know where this is leading right so oh him and his wife make some renovations because it's a house that was built in the thirties and forties already has history and the first night that they're sleeping in this house they were awoken by what sounded like shuffling like someone was trying to look for something in a set of drawers so it's not only John on but him and his wife both wake up to the sound of somebody rummaging through drawers and look up and there's this man in Fedora and trenchcoat. That's what's the scariest part and trenchcoats might be like a streaker or something how right and he you know kind of motion suicide wife like are you seeing this. Is this really happening. An out of nowhere the man who is rummaging through the drawers ferns Aroun- down and looks at them acknowledges them but then looks around as though he's lost so John. Things it's a dream. It's a weird but the way that this man was dressed was definitely out of the ordinary was definitely out of the decade. He looked like he belonged in the forty s so he goes back to asleep. She thinks honestly this is a dream so he and his wife wake up the next morning and they simultaneously tell each other away. We had a weird. I had a weird dream last night and John's lightweight. You just dreamt the same thing I dreamt so that's when they realized it really wasn't a wild dream that this may have actually happens happen so the wife ends up finding this woman in I guess in their little community of friends to come in. She's sensitive and a psychic so she tells them she asks him. I like did you do any renovations on the house and the woman you know his wife tells them yeah like we just renovated the house upstairs our master bedroom. We turned it into one large room. It was two rooms. We knocked down a wall all and now it's just a large bedroom. She's like that's what it is odd. So your house came with an energy. It came with one of its owners and when you disturb something in a house that old your awakening something in there that you know was connected to the property so it turned out that there there was a man who owned the House and they don't know if he died in the house or maybe he died somewhere else but he was very much connected to it and when he when John said you know he when he turned around looked at us and then kind of look lost it was as though he was trying to figure out where he was and he he said it made sense because we renovated a majority of the house. So of course it didn't look like the original plan and that kind of echoes what we mentioned time and in timing again with haunting when there's a ridge residual or this common occurrence of a figure walking through a wall or walking into a closet or through a window it's like what was the original plan of House or what was there. Originally you know those are things that we always bring up. You know sometimes energies connected took place in when that energy is disrupted it you know. Lord knows what it can do. Go through your doors three doors. Go through your underwear drawer to not go through. Ya Aw I love the instinct of like someone on a house. Let's just go back to sleep right but I was thinking like okay. They're living in the Hollywood hills. They have to have a good security system so I I think he probably would have thought lake way if someone would have broken and the alarms would have gotten off right no offense vineyard afford to buy a house in Hollywood hills. there's a man in our room. We should go back to bed. Hon Go to sleep. We're fine okay. It's all right his three piece suite yeah. He's an help I needed to do to Rob Hollywood hills homes. Where do you look like a blues brother's. Train really creepy isn't it but I was trying to find like some sort of paranormal association a and then I remembered like waiter remember watching episode which Snyder and then I went back to it and like yes. I forgot that he was in Smallville. Yes Oh he is his he was on that show and he was in smallville alongside Allison Mack interesting part of me. Though I rent bring earlier I wonder if down the road more paranormal type things will come out because it's still such a fresh called still so new. Do I mean these women were just getting out two or less years ago but in the the one episode on extreme beliefs and colts they talk about one of the things that Keith Rainier would do is called the fear experiments. That's right it would show these Komo women but these new younger members this video of the Mexican drug cartel beheading Group of women from from the early two thousands and they would like do it quote in the name of science note show it to them over and over and over again and the reason I bring that up a just to show how audrain to this whole thing was but being that energy that like unleashing of people's fear will have effects. You know what I mean. There will be ripples of that yeah. I think we might be a little close to the epicenter to really know what that trauma will look like but but I wouldn't be surprised if down the road people start saying like this kind of thing is like starting to show a pattern because all of these people people were releasing so much fear. I wouldn't be too lies. You know maybe it could create what we've mentioned. In the past of Topa own yeah I had a really good discussion with this amazing beautiful individual that we're going to have on our podcast but I met him at the Dell the Dell L. he marcus shop in that Zachariah the rich and we met at the shop and we had this amazing discussion he was like telling me we're talking about the jeans house and now that's going to be a new thing. Thanks but he did something by Jane's House he said Yeah Yeah. I don't think places are haunted. I believe people are haunted because they carry a lot of energy with them and you know I've gone to places where it was originally haunted but the people that visit these places constantly leave something behind us and I and I just mentioned you think like Topa. He's like Oh absolutely oh oh stugotz hopeless crazy yeah just like a manifestation of people's energies like can you know pretty much conjure up something otherworldly one hundred percent. Maybe one day you know someone moves into Allison. Mack's house and there's something weird. They're they're gonNA go into that area where they did the brown branding and they're gonna say something like Oh. Oh it's a weird vibe in there is very weird. It's other Hassi Tori. I just feel so uncomfortable. You never know you never know I think gorgeous. I don't think there's been enough time for us to really understand or have to have heard if those things are happening but I would not be surprised like in ten years. If some of that stuff starts coming out oh yeah wouldn't be surprised at all either heard it here first. Everything is even by David Omen Taus when you go up up that drive you know people feel a sense of being watched and they feel a sense of dread but I don't know if that's to contributing to the fact of what they already know occurred heard in that property what they're bringing bringing to it. That's another thing but also that's another thing too that Benedict Canyon can be another entity itself because after doing another investigation with Craig Owens at the David Omen House Craig brought up a really good point. I don't think it might be just David's house. I think is just all of Benedict Canada yeah and it's true because there's been a lot of council psychics incentive sensitives that and when they first set foot in Benedict Canyon it's beget a wave of emotion motion sensations but that Canyon that Kenyan speaks beyond beyond words like it's there's something there yeah MHM because in the basement room with the exposed dirt like Oh yeah I really competing with the Earth as much as anything and wine just saying well guys that is our episode of Nexium. Yes we escape. Did we did look at someone. Who's probably let me just tell you I really do think that like if it came out with the crossword call call I wouldn't be surprised checks all the boxes I just happen open to be like a low level member ray like in the pyramid of it but like there's a leader his name's Greg Glassman. There's a number to his name is Dave Castro and there are people who are in the inner sanctum there the Cross for athletes who compete every year and they're like the elite and and they have privilege and access that normal members really don't have like I paid dues essentially like you have to pay like I've had a membership of course but like the gym itself pays. You can't just open gym and say it's across with Jim. You Pay Crawford each queue. Wow so like the structure is there. There's a lingo literally wearing Shirley's shirt when we were working. I'm talking about yeah and it's like it's really good. Colt right but it is able say. At least it's fitness but like you know there are certain red flags not to drag episode out but there's like one time last year where there was like this specific workout that was really infuriating for like a lot of people who are skilled athletes athletes sorry this is very boring and I like commented on the cross page before they like deleted all of their social media which is like a thing it happened this past year again the super radic behaviors and someone said you should be careful commenting on my comment and being like you should be careful or hell ban you aw and I was like you're telling me I can't question this leader. That's a fucking red flag. If you can't question the leader that's a call. You know what I mean yeah so I'm showing a cow. Oh really like all your dad my favorite murder call your dad so don't be in a call kids. I mean can we agree agree that maybe cross fit is like the white claw of colts yeah and I don't think it actually as a call in the sense. I think that if it came out that like the elite athletes fleets yeah were in cahoots with like and we're having things done to them that were much more call like are they not surprised do. I think that's actually happening no do. I think that cross fit fit all the boxes of a call yes. I do think that you change your diet. You Change Your schedule. Change overnight culinary change a clothing change your friend group it. It takes the boxes but again. Lots of things do so just be careful friends. Don't call don't let anybody brand you. Don't and just do some yoga. You'll be fine. Go Yoga's so cute. Arzi linked to poop on you. That's the that is a dream. I'd rather be shot by go. Oh then literally all right guys so before we leave you have some shadow shutouts to book of lies shout out to two girls on the bench L. A. Confidential and show and the magic quest boys of the DND world and of course shadow to our friends at the cut away podcast Ashley and just steamed lady squad US obsessive course guys and here's a shot to a new little organization a little group that is actually starting towards worse in downtown. Los Angeles not a cult. Don't worry but one of our listeners. Christina started a little walking haunted tour of haunted bachelors in downtown. Los Angeles she was inspired by our haunted bar episode and she has a group hold booze and booze so follow them on instagram guys so she helps coordinate these walking bar tours through these haunted locations and you get indulge in some alcohol indulge in some ghost stories and you get to walk home with a little like failure to protect you from all these negotiations that might follow you home. I'm I'm a need some more sin. Maximum need some more. I'm GonNa need some more thing of backpack second guys October fifth. If you live in and around the San Fernando area then there's a huge little screening sixtieth anniversary screening of plan nine from outer space yes one night only Saturday October fifth starting at seven pm tickets or thirteen dollars. It's going going to be screened at the San Fernando Pioneer Memorial cemetery and I was just at that cemetery last night with Craig. Owens and we didn't investigation. We think there's something there there's a tale of an Edwardian woman that walks around the cemetery the woman and Brown and there's even tales sales of things in my belly but while we were there we collected some interesting evidence every time we made a comment about like the people that were buried there. The history of the cemetery read out loud. The peoples tune stones are okay to go off amazing. It was amazing. We felt some interesting cold spots and it was a bit of a warm night so it was pretty interesting night. Definitely some unusual Juju there so go and check out plan nine from outer space on October the fifth it's hosted by Hollywood exuma. Ooh Valley Haunts Discount Cemetery and San Fernando Valley Historical Society guys you could definitely found out more information on this on our instagram and on Hollywood exhumed instagram as well. We will be there. Bryce may not because it is haunted cemetery but I'm definitely going to be there. It's hot in the valley right now. I can really do with a cold spot. Is that what it is that the thing took I mean what if that's all it took from you know what is really high fine if unharmed cold spot as well. It felt delicious. It was just important to know what you're you're limited Honda for cold. Why not honestly you bet on a t-shirt. It should be colts bad guys print it all right guys always remember to stay. 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AP Headline News Apr 08 2019 14:00 (EDT)

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"Affect that. Seems casual is claiming tens of thousands of LGBT lives every year tobacco. Yes. Smoking cigarettes can damage nearly every part of our bodies. So we choose to keep this life free from tobacco this free life freedom to be tobacco-free. The masters is back stream all four days from Gusta and get every second of big swinging glorious setting career besting water splashing record-breaking tiger taming Rory winning maybe ego making green junketing Gulf lower. You could ask for. Rob not skysports week poss-. I'm what's all four days of the mobsters for just fifteen euro search no TV today country by the internet, full, terms and not dot com. AP radio news. I'm Ed Donahue, outgoing homeland security secretary Kirsten Nielsen says she will be working to make sure the transition is smooth. She leaves the job in two days, the AP. Saga megani is at the White House. Nielsen reside to meet President Trump's growing frustration over a jump in migrants crossing the southern border. She says they share the same goal securing the border. I will continue to support all efforts to address the humanitarian and security crisis on the border briefly telling reporters at her Virginia home, she thanks the president for the chance to serve sources with knowledge of her resignation say Nielsen was frustrated to among other things by meddling from Trump aides in key immigration issues as the administration looks to get tougher at the border saga megani. At the White House. Sources tell the AP the director of the secret service Randolph Tex ails is expected to leave the Trump administration. Iran supreme national secure. Council is designating the US central command as a terrorist force and labeled the US as a supporter of terrorism. This comes after the US announced as designated Iran's revolutionary guard as a foreign terrorist organization secretary estate, Mike Pompeo says this is a recognition of a basic reality RG see will take us. Right. We'll place on the same list as terror groups that supports Lebanon's, Hezbollah Palestinian Islamic Jihad, a mosque Tebas, LA among others, all of which are already designated as foreign terrorist. Organisations early prime minister Netanyahu is thanking President Trump for the designation against Iran measles cases, are continuing to jump. Most of the reported illnesses are in children health officials say four hundred sixty five measles cases have been reported this year as of last week up from three hundred eighty four the week before TV. Actress Allison Mack pleaded guilty in a case involving a cult like group based in upstate New York. This is AP radio news. Another Brexit deadline is approaching Theresa May set to hold talks on Tuesday with elitist Germany and France ahead of a key. Brexit summit. She's expected to lay out of reasons to seeking a further delay to Brexit currently due to take place on Friday, then on Wednesday. You leaders will see if this unanimous approval, the mold twenty-seven remaining Member States for the extension. Some especially Fraunces Emmanuel Macron, a wary of the Brexit manage alma an unwilling to prolong it, meanwhile, contact between the governing conservatives and opposition labor lawmaker teams seeking a solution. Go on Charles LA desma, London. Spacewalking astronauts are tackling battery and cable work today outside the international space station. Next step is to release these trees. Copy that an astronaut and McLean has been taking part in this latest spacewalk. I'm Ed Donahue, AP radio news. The masters is buck stream, oh four days from gosta and get every second of big swinging glorious setting career besting water splashing record-breaking tiger taming Rory winning maybe ego making green jacket engulfed lower. You could ask for. Robin. Not go sports week poss-. I'm what's oh. 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S11: Infamous: NXIVM Pt. 3

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S11: Infamous: NXIVM Pt. 3

"Due to the graphic nature of this cult crimes. Listener discretion is advised. This episode includes discussions of sexual abuse and child abuse that some people may find offensive. We advise extreme caution for children under thirteen. In Two Thousand Sixteen Nicole lay naked on a table. She was blindfolded and bound at the ankles and wrists. And she shivered from the cold. Nicole. Probably wondered how she got there. She just wanted to be a successful actress. That's why she trusted Allison Mack months earlier thirty four year, old ALLYSON had invited to call to join a women's empowerment group thrilled better. Not Be veteran would take an interest in her Nicole accepted. Then came the demands. I Allison told Nicole to call her master. Then she insisted that Nicole remained celebrate for three months, but it was allison's final request that led to Nicole, lying naked blindfolded and bound with only fifty six year old key through a neary at her side. All Nicole was immobilized. Someone began performing oral sex on her at first. She assumed it was Keith. But then he started talking to her even as the act continued. That's when Cole realized with horror that she didn't know who was going down on her and bound. She was there was nothing she could do to stop them. After the oral sex she hadn't consented to Nicole returned to. Show talk however when she told the actress what had transpired with, Keith. Ellison didn't seem surprised instead. She told Nicole that she was brave and she had earned the privilege of working more with Keith. Hi. I'm Greg Paulson and I'm Vanessa. Richardson. Then this is colts apar-. CAST original. Every Tuesday. We look at cults practices, their leader and their followers. You can find all episodes of cults and all other podcast originals for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts. Just dream cults for free on spotify, just open the APP and type cults in the search bar. This marks the second week of our deep dive into nexium. The group made headlines for physically branding celebrity. Celebrity late and membership, and coercing them into being sex slaves all to satisfy its narcissistic leader Keith remarry in this episode will explore Keith's relationship with actress. Allison, mack then will detail the role alison played in his predatory sorority. Finally will cover some of the horrifying practices Keith inflicted upon Dos. Members in Thursday's final episode will delve into the unmasking of dos for what it really was. A sex ring will follow Keith's desperate flight to Mexico and his eventual capture and downfall. We've got all this and more coming up. Stay with us. In two, thousand, six, forty, six year, old Keith Ranieri was a man completely in charge of his kingdom. He built nexium up from nothing, and though the corporate clients initially coveted had rejected him keith more than made up for it by securing billionaire heiresses, Clarence Sara, Bronfman as members. However, the shiny is and Keith's crown was his newest recruit. Allison. Mack. Five years earlier in two, thousand, one, nine, thousand, nine, year, old allison, mack was cast to play Super Man's best friend in the hit teen soap smallville in addition to being a superheroes. POW She worked for the SMALLVILLE newspaper as a result, her main driving impulse was the search for truth liker character. Elson to was motivated by a search for Truth and purpose in an interview with journalists. Coronel. A friend described her as someone who was constantly searching for something that. That was missing at her life in two, thousand, six, perhaps twenty, four year, old allyson believed. She would find that missing thing in nexium. Maybe that's why she climbed into the Bronfman's private jet and flew to Albany New York to meet the vanguard key through neary Ellison's initial meeting with the smartest man, the world must have been successful because according to journalists, Rebecca son in. Scott. Johnson. She was still in Albany surrounded by vanguards inner circle a few weeks later. Allison, wasn't the only actress drawn in by nexium fellow smallville Co Star Kristin cruch. WHO, why? Five? Oh. Actress Grace Park and Battle Star GALACTICA actress. Nikki Klein were all reported members. Actresses might have flocked nexium because of Keith's claimed that he could coach anyone to do anything, even win an academy award. However, there may have been another reason they felt drawn to the group research suggests that artists. Susceptible to charismatic cults. Vanessa's going to take over on the psychology here throughout the episode. Please note Vanessa is not licensed psychologist or psychiatrist, but she has done a lot of research for the show. Thanks. Greg. In, an interview with journalist Scott Johnson and Rebecca Son Jodie wild a documentary film director and cults expert stated that Hollywood is filled with vulnerable artists, many of whom are lost or damaged. You get a Predator in the mix whether it's Harvey Weinstein or the leader of nexium they're going to go for it. Those leaders might offer other forms of support that they can't get from their agent or manager Alison like all actresses was subject to the many rejections that are part of every acting career. So a desire for a more stable form of acceptance and support might explain why she was. So tied to the group, did might also explain why her attachment sustained even in the face of some of next seems more regressive teachings more specifically, the beliefs Keith espoused in his intensive seminar called Janice. Genus posed as a female empowerment class, but it's subject. Matter was almost comically misogynistic during genetics. Intensive 's Keith taught female next. Sean's that women were naturally more submissive and prone to monogamous relationships while men were dominant and genetically predisposed to poly-amorous. According to journalist Ej, Dixon Keith also preached that men inherently had more character in fortitude and women were more prone to flightiness and game-playing the women who signed up for genetics were searching for self empowerment, therefore exposing their current lack of power and self esteem their insecurity made them easy marks for Keith's misogynistic indoctrination and allison mack was no different in a two, thousand, seven blog. The actress wrote I. Have a tendency to say, I'm stupid. I have become very comfortable. Talking things up to the fact that I don't have a proper education. These negative personal feelings go some way towards explaining why Alison didn't immediately recoil from suggestions. Suggestions that women were flighty creatures lacking in character and fortitude. In essence geneticists. Philosophy was just reinforcing her own low opinion about herself. However, nexium wasn't all misogynistic seminars about the sexes. Ellison might have also been drawn to the cult for young creative community and its many recreational events by two thousand, six Barbara, Bouchet one of Keith's girlfriends head already created vanguard week or V. Week though she'd invented be week to be a business conference to promote Nexium, it turned into a ten day celebration of Keith's birth during the week, next scenes from all over the United States Europe, Canada and Mexico descended on the compound in Clifton Park. Filmmaker Mark B sent a former next-gen, likened the proceedings to a summer camp for adults where you had all these things you could choose from that. You wanted to do drumming dancing singing, even poetry. All of it was done as a tribute to Keith, recognizing him as the creator of a philosophical movement. The veneration of Keith wasn't restricted to V. Week, either it featured in every single facet of Naxi in life especially amongst the groups female members. In an interview with ABC's twenty, twenty Mark B sent taste stated that when Keith played volleyball at the compound, which he did almost daily rows of women would wait for him on the sidelines and then the minute there was a break between plays. They would rush him like he was a Rockstar all of them eager to ask him their deep pressing questions. Their education was why Keith despite claiming to be Selah was able to continue sexual relationships with several of his female students according to an F. B. I. Report, he had between fifteen and twenty sexual partners simultaneously in the early two thousands. Allison Mack didn't know this. All she saw was the rampant deification of Keith. According, to Social Psychologist Robert, Zion's human beings are subject to a phenomenon called the exposure affect Zairians found that the more a person is exposed to an object or an idea, the more likely they are to believe it early on analysis introduction to nexium. She saw Keith being celebrated as an enlightened better during the week, she witnessed followers flocking to him after his volleyball games in line with the exposure effect. It's possible Alison to began to view Keith as a deity, the addition of a Hollywood actress to his coterie of admirers likely filled Keith with joy, and yet even as he was enjoying the fruits of the kingdom, he had built trouble was brewing within his ranks. Barbara Bouchet, the woman who invented the week that venerated his birth was beginning to challenge his authority. By the late two, thousand, forty, nine, year, old Barbara. Bouchet had been a member. Of nexium. For nine years. She dated Keith Rene for almost the entirety of that time, and after nearly a decade with Nexium, she had grievous concerns about the way. The group was being run Barbara wasn't alone in her feelings. She was backed up by eight other women including fellow upper level next in Susan donors bolstered by their number. The next nine confronted Keith in an article for Frank Lotto's website art voice, Susan donuts detailed. The group's main points. She called key thought for his sexual exploitation of female students for borrowing large amounts of money from members and finally for his. His refusal to pay state or federal taxes in response Keith was simultaneously dismissive and threatening using needlessly technical jargon. He told the women that they didn't have the data to fully understand the true reality of the situation. They didn't have his of leadership or the experience of preserving people's lives at that. One of the women pushed back. She said that Keith didn't have leadership experience, either since his company consumers byline had fallen apart within a few years, her accurate synopsis of his CBI failure caused a flicker in Keith's previously calm demeanor, his voice soft yet. Furious. He told the women that he'd had people killed because of his beliefs and because of their beliefs. It's unclear how the confrontation ended after that. However, we know that ultimately the meetings accomplished nothing. Keith, refused to admit any wrongdoing. So all nine women defected, it was the largest exodus of upper level members. Keith had suffered to date. He didn't take it well, when Tony Natoli dumped Keith, he attacked her with a series of retaliatory lawsuits Barbara Bouchet suffered the same fate. Keith had already squandered the bulk of her savings in speculative commodity trades, Barbara spent the rest of our coffers. Coffers battling his lawsuits all while knowing that Keith's Bronfman stuffed pockets were practically bottomless attacking a woman who abandoned him in court likely gave Keith some satisfaction, but it didn't erase the significance of the nexium nines defection. Perhaps the exodus of so many crucial members made Keith fear. He was losing control of his empire. If that was the case, it certainly would explain why he reacted with such ir when it seemed, he was losing his hold over one of his young female members. Up Next Keith. Raniry exerts absolute power over one young woman's life now back to the story. In two, thousand, nine, forty, nine, year, old Keith Rainier was reeling from the defection of Barbara Shea Susan. Donnez. And seven other upper level. Next sins, their sudden exodus likely made him question whether his hold over his empire was as absolute as he believed perhaps driven by a desire to maintain control. Keith reacted with fury when he started losing his hold over a twenty six year old next in named. Named Danielle Flores by two, thousand, ten, Daniele had been a nexen for ten years after moving to Albany at age sixteen Keith had started grooming her shortly before she turned eighteen as a promising student with dreams of Harvard. She'd been excited to learn from the smartest man in the world in the decades since her arrival. However, all that taught her was how to clean offices and pleasure him sexually. Significant Age difference and unequal power dynamic of their relationship was concerning enough. However would made kice affair with Daniela. Even more disturbing was the fact that he was also having sex with her sisters, Mariana and La. Daniela may have been able to ignore this unnatural set up however on one occasion, Keith attempted to coerce her and whatever sisters into having a threesome with him. The traumatizing interlude only came to an end when both sisters broke down crying. That wasn't the worst of Keith's behavior at different points in time hit impregnated all three sisters and insisted they get abortions in the aftermath of Danielle as abortion Keith presented the traumatized girl with silver lining. He told her, the procedure would help her lose weight claiming that Olympic athletes often got abortions as part of their training in light of Keith's cruelty. It's no surprise that in two, thousand, ten, twenty, six year. Old Down Yellow looked for affection elsewhere. She developed crush on fellow nexium member. Ben Myers although Keith was having sex with two of her sisters and countless others. When he found out, Dan Yellow was romantically interested in someone else he lost it according to journalist. EJ? Dixon Keith became enraged by the supposed ethical breach and sent his other girlfriends including prefect to encourage down to apologize ultimately. However, he decided that an apology was too small price to pay instead keith commanded that Daniele remained locked in her small bedroom as a form of penance for the next two years Daniele was. was trapped in the room with only a mattress, a pen and paper her parents. Fervent Nexans who had also emigrated to Albany would bring her food. But under orders from Keith Day, refused to speak to her in her isolation, Daniele grew hopeless and suicidal. She wrote letters to Keith daily apologizing to him and begging him to enter confinement Keith. Didn't. Redan. Yellow desperate letters and he refused to release her from her prison. If he couldn't control the actions of the nexium nine, he could at least dictate the entirety of one girl's life. In addition to imprisoning Daniele Keith enjoyed other victories in two, thousand, ten, allegedly. That's the year. He added Allison Mack to his roster of sexual partners in the four years since she joined the group Twenty eight-year-old Allison. Mack. Had Become A full-fledged nexium evangelist. Preached to family members and friends alike regaling them with tales of Nexium 's brilliance. It's unparalleled ethics. She also consistently returned to the well of her fellow artists according to Scott Johnson and Rebecca sons article for the Hollywood reporter at different points. Alison attempted to recruit seventh Heaven Alum Beverley, Mitchell, and grammy winning singer Kelly Clarkson however, Allison's most disturbing overtures were her attempts to recruit Harry Potter actress Emma Watson in a series. Series of tweets, Alison implored Emma to participate in a unique human development and women's movement Emma didn't respond to her missives and that was for the best because by two thousand, ten Allison's involvement with nexium was already taking a toll on her health according to a former nexium member who bumped into the actress at a Yoga Studio in two, thousand ten. She could tell that Alison had already started a sexual relationship with Keith. A gray pallor that was common to Keats women as they all started to get a little sickly. Keith was attracted to unnaturally skinny women and likely manipulated them into extreme weight loss as a result. The former member stated that his girls looked scary. They all dropped weight. Is, getting too big for their bodies. So they became bobbleheads yet despite the fact that Keith was bad for her twenty nine year. Old Alison committed to the group further when her hit show Smallville came to an end after ten seasons. With the role of Clark Kent's closest confidante behind her ellison decided to audition for that same position and Keith Ranieri's life to that. End, the actress bought a house in Albany and transplanted her life, they're committing yourself to furthering the movement full-time. Keith might have read Allison's move as a sign. He wasn't losing his grip on his followers. He had done yellow in chains at a Hollywood actress warming his bed, his control over his kingdom was unshakable. But keeps feelings of certainty soon, shattered against a series of punishing events. I came the articles in November of two, thousand, ten vanity. Fair published a piece, called the heiresses and the cult in it journalists Susannah Andrews. Dubbed next occult. She also detailed the fact that by two thousand, ten Keith had blown one, hundred, fifty, million dollars of the Bronfman's fortune. That, same year, New York Post journalist Jean McIntosh reported on the bizarre claims Keith made during his meeting with the nexium nine. She specifically focused on his assertion that he'd had people killed. Keith second wave of attacks came from his ex girlfriend Tony Tally, in two thousand eleven, she filed a lawsuit against him, accusing him of repeatedly raping her during their nine year relationship and to tell these claims seemingly bolstered. But in two thousand, twelve, the Times Union's incisive piece in binary shadows dropped in the article journalist James Emo, dotto Jennifer. Gish. Detailed years of statutory rape. Rape allegations from Keith's underage victims despite this deluge of bad press and lawsuits, Keith was able to keep the fallout from penetrating his Clifton Park fortress according to Tony Metallica's book the program next scenes wrote all of it off as a coordinated media vendetta demonizing the press is a common tactic cult leaders use. However the cops played right into keats hands, they reinforced his narrative by promptly pressing any charges. Their hands were tied in many cases. The statute of limitations had elapsed while Keith. Had managed to contain the fallout from without he never anticipated the massive. Would soon suffer from within. Kristen. Was, one of Keith's earliest acolytes in addition unbeknownst to most next INS Kristen was the mother of Keith Son Gaylon since Keith claiming to be celebrate the to hit galeone's paternity. By pretending he was the adopted son of an entirely different woman. However, in two thousand, fourteen, Kristen dropped the pretense when she fled Clifton Park with her child in tow according to Times Union journalist, James, Mo Dotto, kristen ran because she was concerned about her son's welfare in an email. The scared mother allegedly wrote Keith was experimenting on Gaylon I had to get him away. Kristen wasn't specific about what form Keith's experimentation took. However, she might have been referring to his insistence that gala. Rainbow Cultural Gardens or are CG, R. CG, was a childhood development program. Keith created shortly after galeone's birth, all enrolled children were spoken to in five different languages by five different nannies. This might have been the experimentation kristen was talking about however, she may have also been hinting at something far more sinister. According to the program a year before Kristen Escape investigative journalist Chet. Harden received a letter from a woman given the pseudonym Inez like Daniele. Inez. was from Mexico unlike the former student. However, she was heavily involved in Keith's childhood initiative, Rainbow Cultural Gardens in the email, you Nez sent. She stated that she wanted out of nexium. She was beginning to suspect Keith created our cg not to teach children how to speak different languages but rather to groom. Groom them into having sex with adults, Inez alleged that Keith openly claimed that he wanted to use the school to teach children that sex was beautiful and should be practiced openly, we can't say for sure whether Christon was privy declaims of such tenor from Keith. But if she was, it certainly would explain why she left him. So suddenly taking their son with her kristen's departure might have also been motivated by her fears for her own life. A week after leaving. Keith Kristen reached out to nexium nine defector Barbara Bush. Journalist Sarah Berman reported that Kristen told Boucher that she was in hiding with her son. She was afraid for her life because of the things she'd seen Keith to the worst of which was his attempt to pull off what she termed a Mexican plot in this Gambit Kristen claimed that Keith bribed a judge in Mexico to issue an indictment against Barbara Tony, and Susan. Donnez, they were going to be lured south of the border, and once they got their Keith's upper level, Mexican contacts were going to put them in prison. When a Shock Barbara. Asked how serious Keith was kristen responded that the plot had been three years in the making more chilling. Kristen stated that she'd long realized that Keith was not trying to succeed. He was trying to enslave as we covered last week Keith exhibited several traits consistent with a diagnosis of psychopathy in accordance with psychologist Robert. Hare's checklist Keith showed signs of manipulative nece, sexual promiscuity, pathological lying, and a lack of empathy behavioral analysis agents at the F. B.. I. Denna Fide One more characteristic endemic amongst psychopaths, namely, their need to maintain absolute control over others at all. All costs given this desire Christians defection might have been the most painful one keith suffered yet. She'd been with him since almost the very beginning, thus departure would've acted as the final blow shattering any illusions he held about being in control. The first time Keith was reeling from a loss of control. He reacted by confining Daniele to a tiny room with Kristen's defection. Keith would go even further than that. It was no longer enough for him to control one young woman to restore his sense of order and his hold over his empire. Keith decided to enslave scores of women. Up Next Keith crafts a secret sorority to enslave his female members now back to the story. By two, thousand, fourteen, fifty, four, year, old Keith, Raniry had weathered a slew of rapid fire attacks on his credibility I. There were the critical articles that branded him as a cult leader and sexual predator. Then his ex girlfriend tonia tally sued him for raping her during their eight year relationship. However, it was Kristen Kief. One of his most loyal subjects that dealt Keith, the most grievous blow. She left him taking his son with her. But much worse than that. Kristen forced Keith to realize that his hold over nexium membership wasn't absolute and that was unacceptable Keith taught his students that he could control technology and the weather. How would it look if he couldn't even keep his own house in order? In two thousand, fifteen, fifty, five, year, old. Keith. Found the solution to the mutiny in his ranks. He decided to create a secret society of female slaves. He called the group Dos. Dos stood for Domino's obsequious use sorority them. Latin, which they reportedly translated as master over the slave women like both consumers byline and nexium Keith crafted the group to have a pyramid structure. However, DOS didn't sell discount consumer products like CBI nor self-improvement classes nexium. In fact, joining the group was completely free, but that didn't mean that there wasn't a price to pay. In order to gain access to the secret society. Next in women were forced into sexual slavery. However, Keith knew that he couldn't enslave his female members outright. Instead, he needed someone to put a glossy veneer on his heart darkest desires in the past, Keith would have likely turned to bubbly Pam K. Fritz to act as doses unthreatening face as a member of Keats. Original three woman Harem Pam was the cult leaders main Capo procuring him beautiful women to sleep with on demand. However, in two thousand, fifteen, Pam was dying of cancer. So Keith turned to allison mack instead. By two, thousand, fifteen, thirty, three year, old Allyson was more number of Keith than ever. The depth of her feelings were evident when she sang Donny Hathaway I, love you more than you'll ever know at fifty-six birthday celebration with tears in her eyes. The emaciated actress crooned I'm only flesh and blood, but I can be. That you demand. Sentiments of that nature, we're also conveyed in an e mail allison sent to Keith according to journalist e j Dixon in the missive. Alison explained how grateful she was to be deep in Keith's thrall, how disappointing her own strides towards self empowerment had been and how nothing made her feel. So powerful as to be made by him to feel power less in other words, ellison and Keith were perfectly matched. He wanted power and she longed to be powerless. Unfortunately, controlling one willing woman wasn't enough to satisfy Keith desires to gain access to the scores of women. He coveted he convinced allison to be one of DOS. Is I blind slaves? In addition, to Allison, Keith directly recruited seven other slaves including prefects, daughter, Lauren, saltzman. These first line slaves were unique because they knew that Keith was their master. He convinced them that being enslaved to him would help them in turn become masters of their own lives once they bought into this paradox, Keith encourage them to recruit slaves of their own, thus becoming masters in their own, right. According to the program unlike the women directly recruited by Keith, the second line slaves had no idea about his role in the group they joined under the false pretense. The DOS was an exclusively female organization. Nothing could be further from the truth as the sole man top the whole sado-masochistic Pyramid Keith was the grand master. and. He had big plans for dos according to Vice journalist several Berman Keith told Lauren that he envisioned the sorority amassing thousands of members to that end. He told her to work towards recruiting one hundred slaves. According to the program, the recruitment process went like this alison. Lauren or one of the other first line slaves would approach nexium member and asked them if they wanted to be part of the. Secret. Society of bad ass women who were dedicated to the empowerment of other women. This pitch was deductive because it was always delivered by an upper level next-gen wanting to be considered one of the elite. The recruit usually said, yes, it was at that point that they were asked to provide collateral a sort of insurance policy that would make sure they kept the group a secret journalists. EJ Dixon wrote that collateral often took the form of sexually explicit material such as videos of a recruit, masturbating or postmarked false confessions that relatives or loved ones had sexually abused them. The implicit threat was that the women told anyone about dos, their collateral would be released unbeknownst to the women. Even if they did keep the secret there, incriminating items were usually shared with. Keith. Once they provided material for their own future blackmail. Their recruit was officially a slave. This designation came with a whole new set of rules. First. Slaves had to carry out their master's commands. No matter what in order to prove this allegiance, they participated in readiness drills. This meant that slaves had to respond to texts from their masters within sixty seconds. No matter what our. Even if it was the middle of the night, if they failed, they had to submit to punishment recrimination took many forms. Sometimes underperforming slaves were forced to take cold showers or made to stand barefoot in the snow. Other Times they were paddled or whipped journalists cullen. Moynahan reported that on one occasion Keith even called in during a beating to tell the women to make sure that they snap their wrists in a particular way to inflict maximum pain on the. The slave in addition to occasionally taking beatings, slaves were also required to meet three times a week with their masters at the start of each of these sessions both slave and master alike were required to pose for a naked family photo. In these pictures, Keith insisted that women's legs be widely spread and their vaginas prominently angled towards the camera as this weren't intrusive. Enough. Slaves also had to follow a set of rules that dictated specifics about their personal appearance. Some slaves were required to adhere to a punishing five, hundred calorie a day diet. They also were under strict orders not to groom their pubic hair. Lastly, slaves had to commit to remaining celebrate, they weren't even allowed to. Masturbate. The purpose of this particular set of rules was twofold I. IT ensured that the Slaves Fit Keith Sexual Preference for emaciated women who didn't lacks secondly, it kept all their sexual energies in tight reserve. However as mentioned, initially, none of the second line slaves had any idea about Keith's involvement. They were told that they were doing all of it. The cold showers, the graphic pictures, the restrictive diets for their own empowerment. while. It's difficult to understand how they bought into this justification. Their compliance was likely due to societal messaging. We've all been subject to concepts like no pain, no gain. You have to break a couple of bags to make an Omelet sure getting paddled hurt. But if it made a person mentally tough enough to pursue the things they wanted, wasn't it worth it? In. That same vein, a five hundred Calorie Diet was punishing. But at the taught person discipline and delayed gratification weren't those good lessons to learn. It was all in the name of becoming a bad ass like they've been promised. The second thing that might have made doses extreme path to empowerment seem acceptable was the larger self-improvement climate at the time in two thousand, ten's wellness enthusiasts were stuffing jade eggs into their vaginas. Silicon Valley Titans were injecting the blood. Blood of the young into their veins in light of that, taking a cold shower and submitting to a paddling might not have seemed. So strange however like the frog in the pot of water, once the second line slaves had accepted that toss approach was a little off the wall, but temperature was turned up eventually. One of the first line slaves like allison mack would give a second liner. The assignment also known as the order to Seduce Keith Ranieri. It was this task that upper level next year Monica Duran assigned to her slave. Sylvie according to journalist Amanda Arnold to fulfil her assignment. Sylvie was at first only required to send Keith explicit pictures and text messages eventually, however, she was subjected to physical sexual encounters. Arnold. Reported that in one incident, Keith performed oral sex on. Sylvie. After the encounter he told her that he was her grandmaster. Sylvie later stated that at the time she felt so much shame she felt everything was just lies and secrets and darkness. If Keith was aware of Sylvia's despair, it didn't bother him her experience married how several keys interludes with a slaves transpired. Once they were given the assignment by their masters, they proposition him sexually. Keith would either down on them or have sex with them. However. Intercourse wasn't always possible as Keith neared his sixties. Erectile dysfunction became a frequent problem according to journalists Rebecca Son and Scott Johnson. A former Nexen said that if Keith had difficulty getting an erection, which was often he blamed it on her weight despite Kate's callous treatment. The members of DOS couldn't just leave the group they were trapped there. Bondage was threefold first as longtime nexans. Many of them had been indoctrinated by the precepts of genetics to view men as being inherently poly-amorous while women were monogamous. Monogamous. So in essence they'd been groomed to somewhat accept the setup of several women sleeping with one man. Secondly, Keith was revered as a deity within the group. So refusing his advances might not have seemed like an option. Lastly, members of DOS feared that if they did try to leave their incriminating collateral would be released out into the world. However, if the combination this threat and their religious indoctrination didn't prove deterrent enough Keats, most devoted slave, allison mack was always there to bring disobedient members to heal. According to Scott. Johnson and Rebecca sons reporting to Alison. Slaves said the actress was incredibly intimidating, cruel and punitive when a balked at having sex with Keith. Allison. Allegedly screamed at them. You made a lifetime vow. Then she berated them and told them. They were worth nothing that they were weak and couldn't uphold their word. She also told them that if they refused her orders dated other men left the group or refused sex with Keith Day would be destroyed, but while ellison may have seemed unfeeling on. On the outside internally, she was breaking down Johnson and son reported that around this time, the actress penned a veritable cry for help on her blog writing cold sweats. Constantly, the anxiety of being caught makes my heart thrum like a hummingbird. Someday, I will be discovered. I will be found out and yet alison spheres didn't prevent her from engaging in the worst violation Dawson inflicted on its members on the contrary acting on Keith's orders. Alison insisted that are slaves performed one more active loyalty physical branding. When they screamed in agony over the hot cauterize ink pen searing their skin, Alison instructed them to feel the pain and think of their master perhaps during these ceremonies, allison was doing the same in lieu of smelling the singed flesh. Maybe she cast her mind to Keith as for fifty five year old Keith, his thoughts as always were on himself. He was smart enough never to attend the branding ceremonies. However, he received pictures of his handiwork and the site likely filled him with Choi. After all the brands were permanent proof that he still had control over his empire. He was the grand master. However, none of it would have been possible without his most loyal slave and for that Keith sought to reward, Alison? UNBEKNOWNST to the women getting branded. The symbol being burned into their flesh was a combination of the letters, a. m and K R, Allison Mack and Keith Ranieri. are linked initials forever spelled out in blood, the brands might have been absolute, but Keith's Pyramid of Sado masochism was not already cracks. A doubt were beginning to form in the women who made up its foundation, and soon, the whole thing would come crumbling down. Thanks again for tuning into colts. We'll be back Thursday with the final episode of Our foreparts. Special will cover how news about nexium hit the tabloids leading to Keith's imprisonment for more information on key through neary amongst the many sources we used, we found the program inside the mind of Keith Ranieri by toning tally with Chet Hardin, extremely helpful to our research. You can find all episodes of. 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Sex and branding

Today, Explained

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Sex and branding

"This particular episode of today. Explain features some troubling descriptions of sex and body modification. You might wanna ask the kids to leave the room. My name is Josh block. I'm the host and co producer of CBC podcasts. Uncover escaping Nexium. And I came upon this story, actually when I ran into this old childhood friend of mine, Sarah Edmonson, and she told me that she had just left a cult. hardest part for me is just like recognizing so many opportunities that had just to run. It's so hard to explain to people why I felt like I couldn't. I had known that she was part of this strange. I thought was a self help organization, but did not know the extent of what I would later. Find out you're right. We didn't speak the whole time during this. He didn't really know me then but you did know me when I was eighteen when I was sixteen when I was three and she told me on that first visit that she had been branded on her body with the initials of the group's leader. Keith. Eerie on talking about it. It's just mixed with all this like. Regret and shame of like, look, we think what making a stupid decision this feels like the worst stupidest most awful decision. And that somehow that experience was a wakeup call for her. Keeps Mary has built up this mythology around himself. He claims that he is a super genius that he was speaking, and full sentences by the age of one could read at age of two was a judo champion and piano, prodigy and turns out to be true that in nineteen eighty nine he took this high Q test the super high Q test, and he scored incredibly high and the Guinness Book of world records listed him as one of the smartest men in the world. And he used that as a calling card has fault. Sometimes that even amazes me before starting Nexium. He actually ran this multilevel marketing company called consumers by line, where he sold household appliances, and vacation packages, we've been able to concentrate, all this purchasing power, literally hundreds of thousands of fires together better deal from the sellers that company was later number of attorneys general ended up claiming the company. It was a pyramid scheme in the whole thing was shut down and not long after that Nexium was born. But now, instead of selling fridges, they're selling self help. Our main emphasis, arming belief is to have people experience more joy in their lives and from that all sorts of interesting effects appear to happen. So XM offers these expensive self help workshops some of them are one day long. Some of them are five days. Some of them are sixteen day over the course of the next few years keys starts to build out this curriculum all the curriculum in the organization is designed by him and they actually were remarkably successful in attracting powerful and successful people to come take their programs. I mean they had, you know eventually the son of former Mexican president, leanna, Salinas come join them. They had to members of the Brahmin family billionaire Seagram family that owns the Seagram liquor fortune join them, and then they had actors like Allison Mack, from smallville, car, Christo serious. I looked over. You those wonderful smile in Grace Park, and Kristen crew join them, and by being draw in these successful people they able to use that as a calling card to recruit, others. I taught Wednesday nights, and it was bustling like it was cool. And it was, you know, people meeting before, and after like doing projects and networking, and there's two hundred dollars two hundred twenty five students bake lamed that they would help you have these kind of Piff unease and be able to achieve things, whether it was improving your relationships or your self esteem, or whether it was actually achieving professional goals. I mean, they, they, they really saw an alignment between financial success and sells, well, they started their first center in Albany, New York within, they were able to open satellite centers in Seattle in Vancouver in San Francisco in, in Mexico. They open to centers in New York City as well. So. So the organization grew and over the course of twenty years around seventeen thousand people took an XM course. The nature of the organization shifted and even the public image of keeper near shifted over that time. So, you know, Sarah Evanston tells me that, when she first joined the group, she was in it for twelve years, but for many years, her and others in the organization. We're told that keeps were neary was this renunciation this kind of monk like figure who had renounced all his connections, material goods that he was like a celebrate, as far as she knew she never knew him as a sexual being that started to shift, you know, later on in the organization. It started to come out both rumor, but even in the curriculum, this idea that, that men are actually naturally non monogamous, and that women are naturally monogamous, and it's okay for men to have multiple partners in around that time that was emerging in the next curriculum. This secret group with the next one was formed. Call dos. Doss was pitched as a kind of sorority for women, and that they were going to be able to take their self help and personal development to the next level, that women are weak. We have no character men have all the character, we need to learn character. We have no discipline, we're emotional, and that emotion drives us and takes us off our trap, when we're committed to something that's why we bail on things flaky. So women have to learn how to humiliate themselves he other, and as dos was, and that in order to join it these women had to give over collateral, that would be potentially devastating to their life. If it was a release. So it was nude photos, or videos, or confessions, that you were having an affair or hated your mother. These were things that you had to give to join the group. And then, once you were in, you had to continue to give over collateral every month. Keith were neary was using it to instruct women in the group to have sexual encounters with him as well as having them do all kinds of labor for free was in this group as well that people like Sarah events and the woman that, that I grew up with were branded on their body with, with his initials and the first one to arrive. And I know that I'm going to initiation on them when a meet what she called my sisters. And she says, come upstairs and get naked. Take off all your clothes in wait here. Like she's like Sarah after over your body issues like is just me and women, you know, it's going to be fine. Sir says that when that branding ceremony happened. It was at a time she didn't know Keith was at all involved in the group. And she was told us brand was going to be a symbol for the four elements and then like in my head also like, Sarah, you said, you're gonna do this, you committed you always back out, you don't follow through. You know, you're looking for the back door just like he says, women do, like just fucking do it. Fuck this fucking do it. And I did I lay on the table. And I just try to lay still as possible, because I saw what happened to the other women when they moved and how much longer it took. The most loving. Has placed could while the most Siri awful? Pain was dragged across by body like fuck ado. Fire flame across my skin. Part of her wakeup call was discovering that in fact, it wasn't that simple. It was his initials right now, I have is my China, I have keys initials, besides my Jonah. Everyone's freaking out like I should have been freaking out. How did I miss this? How did they miss this? Now, it made sense like heath created this VO women's empowerment program within the structure of Nexium to maintain loyalty and to feed his sex addiction. That's just so not what I thought was a part of. Almost since the start of Nexium people have been leaving the group and coming forward and going to the media and going to thirties, and telling them that something is not right here. I mean there were articles coming out as early as two thousand and three about Keith Miriam what they were doing and raising the alarm about his treatment of women, and about the money that people are paying to, to take these kind of courses. But that being said, things really only unraveled for them in two thousand seventeen when Sarah Edmonson leaves Nexium, and she goes to the press. The night of the branding. Where did that happen? The actual branding itself was at Allison Mack's home Albany maximum. And there's been a lot said about the fact that the brand shows, Keith rainier as initials. K Yar the also show, Allison Mack's initials, ATM appears to be that way. She goes to the New York Times, and it was article about her experience and not long after that, the FBI launch an investigation, and in their indictment. They said we launched this investigation because of that New York Times article Keefer neary leaves the country. He goes to Mexico, the issue an arrest warrant, and they track them down. They arrest him and not long after that they arrest five other members of Nexium inner circle that the higher ranked members, including the actress Allison Mack from smallville Clare Bronfman, the rest of the secret, family fortune, Nancy salesman, the president of the company and her daughter, Lauren Saltzman. And then a standing bookkeeper named Cathy Russell. So then the government starts to build a case against Nexium and the five co-accused are all given sort of various kinds of bail conditions keeps rainier is held in jail waiting trial. And as we March towards the trial, one by one members of his inner circle the other co-accused plead guilty Lauren Sol's than admitted to conspiracy at a hearing this week clear Bronfman, the heiress to the Seagram liquor. Fortune walked out of federal court today after pleading guilty to conspiracy and fraud charges surrounded by cameras Allison Mack made her way into a Brooklyn courthouse where she tearfully pleaded guilty to racketeering, charges, and these are people, you know, the five co-accused are people that have been in the organization for years and years, and dedicated their life to it, and to him, and eventually, when the trial begins for nearly standing trial alone. Keith rainier goes on trial after the break. If you've ever watched the television program, Adam ruins everything on TV and thought to yourself, man. I wish this guy had podcast. You're in luck. Adam Khan over has a podcast. It's called factually, with Adam Khan over on the show, Adam talks to Pulitzer prize winning authors and professors, and other very smart people to better understand the truth behind big issues like homelessness, gun, control and technology factually is sitting somewhere in your podcast app right now, if you're connected to the geez, or the WI fi, you can probably find it, and you can subscribe, so you never miss an episode. Josh Keith renew is standing trial in Brooklyn right now for his involvement with Nexium, what exactly is the being charged with so keeper, Nerius fisker range of charges from sex trafficking to force labor to wire fraud to racketeering, under that racketeering charge, which has kind of an umbrella charge. He's facing child pornography as well. So it turns out that the F B I when they seized materials discovered that, that some of his lovers were actually underage one of them. They say was fifteen years old and had nude photos of her on his hard drive. He has pleaded not guilty to all these charges how much prison time could he be facing if he's found guilty on all these charges he'd be facing life life in prison? You've been at the trial in Brooklyn, what have been some of the more surprising elements to come out of it. Some of the details that are coming out are, you know, almost more disturbing than than what we had known about before claims that Keith pressured. Many, many women to have abortions, including this one Mexican family of which all three sisters were engaged in a sexual relationship with Keith Barry. One of those sisters was underage, at the time that relationship started a second one of those sisters committed what they call an ethical breach where she was supposed to remain monogamous with Keith remarry, but apparently had a crush on someone. She shouldn't have, and they can find her to a room for two years. There's also just remarkable claims about what Keith said he could do that. He was able to change the weather with his mind. And that was certainly not the public facing side of the organization, but something that the members had to reconcile with, as well that we are science based organization, but our leader can also change the weather with his mind. This is probably my tenth client who is the smartest man in the world. And so, you know, he's smart. He's up their smartest in the world. I don't know. There's a lot of smart guys in the world. Yeah. What's the defenses tactic here? They claim that they're gonna show. How keeps Monroe recor? Has always been one of selflessness and, and help they also say look, the people that were part of organization were adults there. Well to do adults, they're adults that for the most part educated. You know, these are not poor put upon people who are desperate for a better life, and we'll make choices against their self interest. These are actresses and models, people have successful businesses have aspirins, and these are choices that these people are making he said to the jury that you might find this stuff, edgier weird or unconventional. But that doesn't rise to the level of illegality, people entered this organization is wide open, what have been the bigger moments in the trial, so far, one of the co-accused Lawrence Osmond. And this is actually one of Sarah's best friends and the organization. And in fact, the one who recruited her into that secret women's group dos. She testified at the trial and corroborated this claim that not only was Keith renewing at the top of. That secret women's group dos. But he gave very specific instructions about how that organization would operate and even how the branding ceremony would operate, I think doing the actual brand orderly fashion each of the seven strokes having a certain rituals ation. In fact, the courtroom heard an audio clip of Keith. Rainier Yana walk with Allison Mack describing all these details how this should take place. Each of the stroke has. Something that said with them. And maybe repeated after the stroke is done right down to how they should be held the position ship be probably should be a more vulnerable position. On the back leg slightly for spread straight, like, peeping health at side of the table and probably the head being held tied down like a sacrificial, whatever. And the person should ask to be branded. Please brand meat would be an honor or something like that. Honor, I wanna wear for the rest of my life. It also of course videoing videoing it from different angles or whatever gives collateral. It feels like high time we talk about the seaward are they talking in this trial about whether or not Nexium was a cult and the FBI has made that claim that the group is a cult it's doesn't come up a lot in the courtroom partially because being a cult first of all, on a not a legal. It's also a bit of a machine term and the charges that they brought against marry are not to do with it being a cult isn't necessary to prove that the organization was called, but so much of what we're talking about here at least feels like it could have only been possible with the kinds of tactics that we associate with cults brainwashing sort of group think, you know, this one genius leader at the top who's going to revolutionize some element of society. So interesting because when I saw him for the first time I saw photos of him, he doesn't sort of strike me. Me as this, like larger than life charismatic figure, but the thing that we heard, again, and again about him as he has this remarkable ability to listen, that when you're talking to him, you feel like you're the only person in the room and that he gets you that he understands you in a way that other people don't you remember stuff about you? He remembers your your dreams and your desires. And when you see him again, he's able to access that information as individuals we strive to break through a type of existential isolation. We want to touch someone we want, we want to know that other people have souls, we went to experience this. We want to experience connection. I certainly have spoken to cult experts and for them. They see thousands of these kinds of organizations that all seem to operate from the same playbook. So there are, you know, there tends to always be destructive figure charismatic figure at the center of these there's, there's not a lot of tolerance for questioning or critical thought there's a. Attempt to have members dissociate themselves from family and friends who are critical of the group. They often use tactics of sleep deprivation, and lack of food to keep people disoriented. There's a higher structure is the whole list of conditions that seem to be similar between this group and, and other organizations that have used these tactics you made an entire show about this, what made you wanna spend so much time. Examining this group and this guy was that your childhood friend got caught up in it. I mean, I think one of the biggest questions for me like right after running into Sarah Edmonson was here is a woman that grew up in the same community as me in the same level of education. How is it that one day, she signs up for a self help course? And then twelve years later is, is being branded on her body with this guy's initials, and I think it's a story about everyone's vulnerable. Fallability to these kinds of destructive. Ideologies, they don't just operate in small organizations. You know, in upstate New York. In fact, the called experts that we spoke to say the same thing that's happening there is happening in a terrorist group or in a country like Nazi Germany. You know, one woman, I spoke to said, it's not that every single person is vulnerable to being recruited into Nexium in fact Nexium knew that next had designed its curriculum to very quickly weed out, people who would be too critical of it, but at the right moment in someone's life with a wrong moment in someone's life and certain crossroads of great disruption where there's big change in your life. Any person is susceptible to being drawn into a destructive ideology in destructive group. And how's your friend Sarah doing now? Now that she's out of Nexium now that she's spoken out about Nexium now that the whole world knows her story. I mean, I think it's a long process for her leaving and even over the almost two years now that she's been out, I've seen Howard thinking has evolved. I think she's still trying to figure out what if anything was useful that she learned in that group. And she says that she is thinking about ways that she might be able to use her experience to supporting people in similar situations, who are trying to leave groups like this. I have really good days, and I have really bad days and the bad dates are bad and very dark. I don't even have word shit. Embarrassment. A lot of regret. A lot of Shane that I miss the red flags and then I brought so many people to it. Josh block hosts uncovered escaping Nexium for the a lot of the tape of Sarah Edmonson. You heard today's episode comes from his show, and you can find it wherever you find your podcasts. I'm Sean Rama's Fareham, this one's called today explained Irene Noguchi, Bridget McCarthy Noam hasn't felt a female Shapiro Ana outside, he and Halina shot the show, Jillian Weinberger, and Brit Hansen helped this week, Sione Petro's is leaving us today. 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Meghan King Edmonds, Thylane Blondeau & Teairra Mari?

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Meghan King Edmonds, Thylane Blondeau & Teairra Mari?

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So, yeah, usually when people post that pink goo on the Twitter feed, your there, they, they want it for shock value. I'm like Mingo every time I see the paint. I'm like, fried up yum, yum right up. Give me some as data goon chicken fingers. Yeah. I know I'm familiar with the pig Joe. Purdue is them. We just establish this fine produce it. She gets his loss is a who because like I am not doing the mixing. They really should make chicken minus. You're right chicken minus. They've already got the, the brand structure. Yeah. You know, minus the next one's chicken minus not great for branding, but chicken minus, they should be doing chicken free product, the impossible burger, and I also love the beyond burqa, but, you know, my favorite fake meek Purdue chicken minus. I mean, I guess the problem is it's like they own chicken, meaning like, they're they're known for being making chicken. But when they start making things that aren't fully chicken then. 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What's the podcast again? We have to talk about our first two of the week. We're not that's our banter. Well, how many minutes of banter was that three four minutes? Seconds. We're going to talk about page Drummond, who? Drummond's nineteen year old daughter was oh, arrested for public intoxication. We draw the pioneer woman, we have not talked about the pioneer woman in a while, I would say, we you thought you thought maybe I don't know if I ever thought that she was going to be a big big bigger thing. Already was and guess what? No, I always knew she would be. But she's not people love her, but she's got her line her show. I'm just saying his because aided into she's not really in the popular conscious that much what she doing nothing. I don't know Greg, Clugston, you just like a couple of weeks ago. You didn't even realize Rachel Ray still how to show these women exist. There sheltered along, okay? They're still making issue. Don't make this a feminist. They just don't. They don't condone feminist issue. Famous issue. I'm talking about public. Intoxication. I'm proving that real Cowboys do eat quiche with a great cheesy bacon tart. That's perfect teamed up with pages Italian salad, just the lunch for ranching dad and daughter. Oh, raised arrays daughter, reduced out our page who is how old nineteen. Oh my God. Loud. She goes to the university of Arkansas. That's so relatable at a party. She drank alcohol. Would you got arrested? And she has paid the four hundred AD where she got arrested over four hundred dollars. I mean in court V's been there sweetie. I have been there. There is nothing more than public intoxication. Yes. Because I think I also told a story that was aisles first time I ever drank alcohol. Yes, I remember first time ever drank alcohol, I got arrested Republican toxication actually wasn't public. It was minor in consumption, because there's a difference. There's like minor in possession. Does in Texas. So just it was just you drinking beer in public. Right. I was at a party, and I went outside when everyone on the party said, don't go outside the cops are out there, and I was like shut up. And so I went outside and the cops were there, I was on hold a drink feel that was visibly drunk crustacea because I also got arrested for leaving a venue with a beer in my hand in the cops were there. Yeah. Well, that happened. So you know what page I'm sorry. You've got all these headlines, I didn't have to deal with that when I was nineteen. I know it I was also nineteen page, Drummond, and I have so much in common. Is it upsetting because this type of ticket she was arrested, which is diff-? She's already gotten at expunge from a record. It's not like I got a ticket like did you gotta take. You gotta take it. Yeah. I got a ticket. It was like see you in court. And I went to court, I maybe pay them three hundred and something dollars. And they had to go to court, you did community service. I had to I had to do like. Almighty, your literally criminal what we're gonna. This is where they teach you about, like, I was literally drinking beer. Well, I'm shocked that you drank anything ever again. Actually, he should not be drink. What I I didn't for a long time you're at so traumatizing. The next day I was in the cockney. Shane I was shayna. Yeah. And the next day, I was like in the car, and we were driving. And I was like I think I'm still drunk like, oh my God, I'm still drunk, and they were like Bobby, this is a hangover. This is what a hangover is. And it was like, no I'm drunk. Well, you suck. That's so I saw the cop literally asked me like what have you been drinking tonight? And I listed it all out. No. You didn't. Like I had some cores later. The easiest target. That's lived. A bones farm, I listed everything, and they were laughing at me. Oh, god. Yeah. It was humiliated. I feel drippy aged. Yeah. I feel bad. I feel bad and you know what pioneers won't probably was like you're paying for this. You're taking care of it. In the grand scheme of, like college misbehavior who's twenty one year old Alex her yet brother, he was caught chugging beers on camera. He's twenty one year old. He's a twenty one year old. Sound like a car commerce. The car is twenty one year old. Of course. The drums are big beer, drinkers pleased there from now in their blood. What else are you doing at the university of Arkansas studying? No get out of here. No, you're drinking beer with the Drummond family. Yeah. Would you be friends? Do you think you'd be friends with the drunkenly just so you could like go to the house? I would be friends with her. And then I would realize like a year into our friendship that she was plan her daughters woman. I would be friends autodrome and children are ten that my family was dead so that I could go to thanksgiving at their house. You're like, oh, I have no where to go for Christmas. Yeah, exactly. Directly at page Drummond. I have. It's so sad. Mom mom, loved thanksgiving. How did having to lie Balik my life is I have no family. Not one drop of family in my life. Like mom. I cannot come to thanksgiving this year because I'm conning the Drummond family to thanksgiving. Their mom would be like sick. Yeah. Awful, send me pictures. I want to copy their kitchen. What did you what did your parents say when you got arrested for drinking? Oh, might well, the first person I told to my sister and she laughed like head to put the phone down. Yeah. She was laughing funny. My dad my parents were not. I thought they were going to yell at me, and they did not my dad said. You have to take care of all this. It was like, well, then you're going to court and you're paying for, whatever it is. And you're going to do it and. Are you going to do this again? It was a very quick brief covers, and you're like, no, I'm never drink again. And then I brought up and every time I bring it up now my mom's still thinks it was like my mom feels bad for me. She's like I hate that, that happened to you. We're just at a party. Honestly, it's true. If you drink for the first time, and you get literally arrested is not counting like maybe I took a sip of wine like Atra now. It's funny. Like you really. That's really bad. That's really sad. The first time I had outgo. Okay, what's next? Oh, this is really funny, so on the fun facts like to know about page Drummond. She's nineteen. There are no fun facts. The fun facts are her parents are like Oklahoma royalty. Number three. She straightened taken, sorry, boys and girls. I just love how woke this. Yeah, she's dating Cutie amount Merrill, apparently, though, re one amid that he's her boyfriend. Okay, whatever when he get it miss, miss about home page, probably just you guys do stuff like this all the time. All right, guys. I'm gonna run desert. Talk amongst yourselves. What's next on a decidedly darker tone? Allison Mack's, former boss is was found guilty. Former Bosley traffic leader. I mean you're like her boss at work. It's like no literally give a different way. Or master her maps master was found guilty of sex trafficking amongst like a lot of things. I mean he was found like fully guilty of like all the things. Yeah he pleaded. No. He pleaded not guilty. They were like no, no, no. You're guilty. Air, Keith rainier Keith Rene air. He was found guilty of federal sex trafficking and racketeering. Allison mack. Be sentence in September still time for her to wait until that happens. But through his trial, all of these new things came out about, like what they were doing what she was doing specifically and it's like a fucking nightmare, the stuff that, like, so they lower them in by saying to self help group like you'd be perfect for those come like to our beautiful upstate community, or whatever. And then it becomes this thing where they ask for your for blackmail. Like they take they ask for collateral, all those naked photos and other stuff. Is there like we're carnival that's part of our bureau? Graham. Yeah. Yeah. But the thing that I didn't know this is one of the new things to where. Allison Mack would like wake them up at all hours of the night for readiness drills. For. So that they would learn and be conditioned to be ready for their masters whenever the masters wanted them. One master kept quote, sleep-deprived and emaciated to the point where they stopped menstruating. Yeah. Very a lot of these weird details. So Allison Mack is back on the news because of her cult leader was found guilty. I mean who knows how long it'll be a prison. Let's our tank doublets, our take is the tablets were like we got to ask Allison Mack's, former Roswell co star no snarl Ville warmer smallville co stars, what they think about MAC an honest, they are not thinking about this. No, they're like, please do not make me think about it. They wouldn't talk to Tom welling, who said, I didn't know anything about it. I was very surprised to read anything about it. Sounds very bizarre. Allison was always a nice person around me. And then he goes, it's funny that people think we would know or that we would have some on lake sagging this interview to hell. Like, why are you all in me? It's three pm Ellis Saturday. Let's into. Interesting. Is that because this is a brainwashing situation? Of course, Allison Mack before she was fully brainwashed, would have no signs of this behavior. Be. It's not like inherent to her nature. It's like a true. You know what I mean? It's so it's yeah. She was brainwashed into it, and then she became bad, right? This is not a sex using her baby. Then they talked to lex Luther the guy was what's his name? Michael rosenbaum. He was the Baldwin. Shaved involved goes, he goes, I didn't believe she was capable of such thing. And now things have added up and you're sort of in the middle where you're like, hey, I'll always have love for Alison. This really happened. I don't know what to say. Other than if it's true, it's a tragedy. I remember one time maybe it was Allison who asked me or something. And she was just like, hey, you should try coming to it. I was like, no, it's not for me. That is like a common story. We've all heard of like, yeah, we all know someone who either was approached or know, someone who was approached by not also Mack, but one of her, you know, acolytes, who was like I am in this thing, it's a self help thing. Yeah. Think you would really enjoy it like poor Chris, in cruch the other smallville actress smallville cursed extremely cursed curse all of it's very, very dark, but TVD will find out. It's temper how long MAC is going to the slammer hopefully longer than you did. When you were caught drinking one beer. I wanna make you my number one priority. I would do anything. Things that law now I would never do things to help relieve your stress. Like what? Khloe. Hey, chloe. Are you feeling okay? Ever felt happier. Clark. Can't you see? I'm devoted to you. I love you Clark. Do you know what time it is? What time is it? It's about overlain. What have you been wearing lately? My I can't. I just got a new Jean jacket. It's black. I right. You got lost your class, I did. But I. But I love my gene deca from every, and I also got and I haven't worn it yet because I don't really know how to style it, but I'm really into it. I got a, a blue light blue like Leany blazer. One of the blazers I really love it. 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But the anyways, have you seen that rob crashing has been in the tabloids recently for a few of the gym again? He claims he started going the gym again where he's like making a comeback. He started a new t shirt line or whatever. That's like like metal the moving up the body. Yeah. Yeah. Clothes now not just socks massage. Now he's on t shirts. He'll be doing hats next and Carter. She black China sued him for some. Oh, she he sued her. Whatever there was some sort of suing going on where it came out that he didn't let her you. He's didn't want to let her have their daughter in a new reality show that she is starring in that may or may not happen. And she was mad. So she likes sued him or he sued her. Okay. Does that happen? I don't know. But that's all going on with these like it's still this is all still going on should keeps trying to do that, because she has that we'd like web only reality show with her mom. That's like terrible. Do you, you watch that? I have hopes of it haven't using clips of it now. It's on. It's on some streaming service. Utah streaming survey. Absolutely never heard of me. Find it. The lot comes with the turf of me like China in the media. I don't like it but I wouldn't change it, I guess it comes with the territory. Yeah. He always been the same person, you know, in the position here, and people are gonna try and try to make you shake that passive aggressive side, and maybe somebody element. And then that I was with. Was it, the right people from me, not I'm here for you? I know this shit is like stressful as hell. This was a great Saint paychecks piece, because another thing that China does or has done in the past, that, that has been pointed out by a few people, not just people who pay attention to her, which, is, you know, whatever dwindling is that she does this thing where she'll like pedal clout were she'll fake date or fake hang out with, like a young rapper, but we got cut, but basically charge him for that privilege that he gets attention for hanging out with China in the tabloids, and then, like they break up, but then he has like that bump start to start his career do. Whatever that's something that she like offers as like a service, or you know. However, it's like me. Yes. Exactly. Exactly. It's, it's just smart. It's like be seen with me and you will get like a slim attention that you can run with. But anyways, so in page, six this week, this just kills me. It says black China's former pal ondre excellence. Claims. The reality star robbed him of his big break as an openly gay, rapper be LA performed exclusively told page six the duo was planning to make music. And she goes at him after he spent thousands of dollars putting the project together. And then he says, I was her gay. We spent we, we got I can't even read this, like I was her gay. We were friends for a couple of years. I also have a recording studio. She gave her some sessions, blah, blah, blah. So it's like she's mad that black China told him that they were gonna make music together and then she decided not to. But I guess what I think is funniest about this. I was there the day that the credential and sent her frenemy cake to her house. She was so upset and talking about how mean they were to her, and I believed it, I believed her and all that nonsense. But, like friend of mine understand us. You sent this to me. And I don't really was this was this reported on. Yes. Page six. The. No. But like at the time was reported. That the Kardashian China a friend of me cake. All new information. I didn't. I don't even know what front of me cake is. I'm not quite sure I know what it symbolizes, but that's I'm trying to figure out what front of me cake is. I'm not sure it sounds like if they're sending you a cake. It can't be that bad, even a cake rudely is still a cake. You know. Right. It's kicked says, I hate your fucking guts. I'm like, but is it chocolate cake? But question, does the cake taste bad, not partake tastes, good? It's not as bad as it could be, you know, right? What if they case like Phut it's bad? It's not a good cake. If the if the dry if it's if it's a messed up cake. Okay. Wait. What if the cake tastes good? But you have diabetes, then that's route because he can't even if the cake tastes good. But you eat so much of it that you get diarrhea, not a nice K, that's on you. That's on you what. But that's but that's punishment. I feel like if I got a really ugly cake, that's still tasted good. That was like you. Buck an asshole, you ruined my life. I would still think like well, they don't hate me that much I would say, if a cake said you fuck it Astle on it. I don't know. But I do think that there are many ways to make a frenemy cake. But I don't quite know in this context. What that cake was? It's unclear. And how dare this report or not ask any more questions about the cake? I know there too many questions left on down, low left unsaid, once you just like pivot, the whole conversation about the cake if someone said, Beveren, make okay. Yeah. Right. Like what was Ihnen? What it looked like Judy photos. Who delivered it? Did you eat it? The last line of this story that you pay sedan is really the worst where it just says the reality star was seen with Wendy Williams at LA pride. Well, next now that he's done with black China. He's moving onto Wendy Williams. Great. No black. China was seen at pride with Wendy Williams. Oh, even better. So she was supposed to spend pride with him because, again, he was her gay. And then she ditched him for Wendy Williams, the ultimate gay icon, spending time with God. What? To think of a metaphor spending time with Wendy Williams at pride a straight person spending time with Wendy blames at pride is, is quite a look. I can't believe I can't really think of, but someone who was like opening, but just like someone who's, like openly transphobic, and like a little bit homophobic. Sometimes, that's what you choose to be seen with that prize thing. She is all those things, but she's also a gay icon. She can't help it. That's been thrust upon her also. She is at pride. So I guess that's she cried, even though she gave people, she's at pride notions negate people. She is problematic. But I do feel like it's very amusing to me that Wendy Williams who like cannot figure out how to be not problematic, ease at pride, and it doesn't matter like, doesn't matter Monday limps, because she's just like I guess, yeah, she's like I guess I'll be a parade. I love a parade. I guess anyways, as a people, you're problematic. But, like we stand right know truly, which is kind of like what we do sometimes with Wendy. What a nightmare. Wow, I want to talk about the negative, Jim Edmonds. And this woman, Jennifer Vigo's. So we had this on our list, so good you weeks. Now, why don't we talk about it because it was just really simple. It was like, well housewives star gets cheated on by her husband, this sucks. She's pissed. He apologizes. She writes a blog post. It's all little one about those called upset. So which is sad. I feel bad for right? So it's like about oh, great. We're going to talk about this, and it's not going to be funny and we're gonna end up on a blog post with, like, I'm sad. I'm going to be like, oh, ha ha you said, LL this, this bitches sad, can you believe, but then this incredible thing happen, which is that the, the baseball mistress is what they're calling her. Her name is Janelle baseball, Madame why she's a she's not like pimping out. Anyone oil, people just like they, they know their words like these, these websites. No. Words that they can use an wet madams out. It's like adding gate to the end of a scandal has okay so Jennifer baseball Madame date. But the best about about this woman is that she gave her her statements and all of her comments directly to website that I've never dealt with before. But is my new favorite source for all things, which is all about the T dot com? All about the T dot com is all housewife stuff like mostly housewives stuff from what I gathered. You know, like the one two three four five six seven, eight nine oh, nine of those nine that I'm scrolling through seven or about housewives the other two southern charm. But it's almo I tell you that they have the t- I'm telling you, they have the thi this thi is so detailed. You got text message screen shots with dick picks on them. You got a VO recordings of voicemails with the oh my God. Did you listen to the voice mail, and all about the T dot com? That's part is all about the T dot com. They have the watermark, all about the t Paul the all over these. The actual what I was reading the text messages from you can't even read them I had to zoom in on the browser because it was so hard to differentiate, the text message bubbles from all about the T dot com as a watermark. And then they have this voicemail that the Meghan king and men's left for this baseball Madam. And she saying, like, I'm going to ruin you. Blah, blah, blah. And then you hear all about the tea dot com. That's there. Ankle guy. And then usually baseball, you flush many think as blackmail, I have every eligible for the FBI it just won't be like you're not gonna ruin my family's life like you just gonna go through these baseball men, and they're gonna forget, who you are. It's like oh about the teed up throughout the entire. I mean it's every five seconds. I'll play it all listen to 'em bitch. Like, how dare you come into my fam- dude dot come like, I it was recorded on kind of a shitty microphone too. So it's like very like popping. Yeah, I love I love this. This is. I love this of both told the story we're just obsessed with the source about year. Brackley so Meghan. Jim Edmonds, Jim Edmonds. The baseball player. Megan was on real housewives of Orange County of Orange County for two seasons. Not a lot of time. And honestly, don't watch Orange County. So I don't really know her impact don't know what she did there. So that's we played for I think she was there when they called it the guy for having faked cancer Brooks. And I think she one of the people who was like, he doesn't have cancer or something. And they were like how dare you, I said, you know, I'm concerned for Brooks's care. I saw that. He wrote on this blog that you think might not be things might not be really kind of wanted to learn about that. She did confirm that she dated folks, I heard that like last year, but I never believed that, that's what I heard Burke says a past it's going to pass line. So people are doubting him. I told Vickie, Pat her back, and I don't want any reason to dislike Brooks, so Meghan, because she was on housewives was sort of a minor celebrity how to blog. Ugh, had sort of a lifestyle like aspirant like she was a Spiring to be a lifestyle blogger so far. It hasn't really worked out. But now she's got she's got a spike, Jim Edmonds was her husband. So this started when. These text messages between Jennifer Vegas and Jim Edmonds were released but before they were released. It was just rumored. This woman was like he cheated on me. And not only did cheat on me. He sent me like dick pics videos of his dick. The day that Meghan Edmonds was giving birth up. So that's sort of like the timing is, what is what sort of made. All this extremely messy because imply that he was always kind of like, like a shady shady, shade stir. But like the timing on this is just so bleak, because she, you know, was going through this experience. Kind of he was accused of cheating. He said, no. I didn't cheat I didn't cheat then incomes all about the T dot com. I love it all about the kids the receipts that prove, yes, he was cheating, or at least trying to cheat, or yes, emotionally cheating by sending dick pics to this woman. And this woman is like look. This is a nightmare. Like I just this is true like I've been I've been threatened by his wife when. Never she found out about this. And I'm gonna sue the wife for threatening statements. And so she releases the voicemail that Meghan admits allegedly sent her, which is her screen at her, and it is a very scary voicemail from Meghan. Although you know. I know I'm no lawyer, but it didn't sound like she was actually threatening anything. Right. She was just basically saying your trash, your life doesn't mean like she was being extremely rude. She was being awful. But is saying I feel like. Jim blackmail, anyone nor have I tempted to ruin one's family. All my relationships have involved, two consenting adults. I made a poor decision to enter relationship with a married, man. And for that I am sorry. So that is what you know what she's saying, but originally, Meghan said that she didn't leave a voicemail, and then, but in all about the tea and it's all here with such a Meghan found out about this in the tabloids, then she called her husband, and he basically admitted that he'd sent some porn photo. So this woman over Instagram, and then paid her off to protect her from finding out this information. There's so many things here. And now this woman is saying, like this woman won't leave me alone, which is the crew. Kind of sad ending up at all where it's like Megan's obsessed and she like, won't she's very, very upset. And she won't leave the you know. She won't leave the woman alone. No. And you can read about you can read about this entire thing on. K Edmunds dot com slash. I'm hyphen sad. Yeah. She talks about how sad she is. It is sad. But let's talk about the more interesting things on Meghan king Edmonds as blog. Oh now like the sponsored content. What I love is that everyone gets the same sponsored content when you are a up and coming, mommy blogger. Yeah. I saw some I saw one for Huggies little movers. You know the diapers. But then I saw this Lindsey, can you guess what it is. And you see me, you get what you want in your relationship. My God, sponsored by k y she got of k why don't lube just like EV Amari Martino and Josie? Just as good if not better if not better, just like Maria, Martino advertised, her Kyi, his and hers entirely alone. In the bathtub Megan k Edmonds is doing her kY spot entirely alone. Pulling them out of her Gucci fanny pack, and in early alone. Why are all of them advertising this while alone? Then should be the one Man Singh. Seeing like, campaign to target a very specific type of person with a very specific type of fame. Incredible. This Valentine's Day, I want to have a quiet dinner gazing into his eyes and talk about everything. Jimmy wants dot. Talk about everything. Jimmy wants to have drinks and watch football. We will compromise and figure out a way to make us both satisfied on our date. But I know he will both be satisfied at the after party if you know what I mean. Well, you're doing an ad for loop, so I do know what you mean this is the first time I know what you mean. While I mean she is nothing if not on the knows her her last blog post was called. I'm sad. I mean this is like not. But also, did you notice what I'm sad is categorized as non her blog? Go look mega mega tabs. That was a mistake. I think that must be the default because even this one is Megan's must have I did. I did flip to the Megan's bus taps earlier. And she has what's in my hospital bag for like going, right? It was when she was leading up to the baby which was the day that all all the ship wouldn't hit the fan. It just sucks. Because it's like I fully understand how we got to this point, this woman was on TV she left the season. She started a blog because she wanted to keep making money from like that residual success that she had, and it's the easiest way, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, but it just sucks that like the blog is like this piece that you can look to now that her husband has, like teed it on her and like just and there's like the Kyi ad and. And before we move on before I move on. I want to read the opening paragraph pissed as women we've been conditioned to minimize sexuality, but why it's our turn to take the reins and align ourselves and our needs with that of men's for years, we've been inundated with the media talking about male impotence or enhancement. So I have women remained quiet we have the same issues. But when we speak we label one, another, as slut, or overtly, feminist, well, not anymore. Ladies gaunt wait Ninety-one labeled k y how is k y w labeled a woman as overtly feminist. How dare that overtly feminist woman, talk about lube Carey left us comment wisher sponsored content was more realistic, unless sales -i Lakisha said very interesting points. You have noted any. What do you do with the k y like that's it's going to be a tough one for her. I think at least put like hire a body double. If your husband doesn't want to do it to, like, put another hand grabbing one was just gonna say, get a friend to, like, put their handouts that you can do you know the photos were like they grabbed the hand like hand the yours and mine, too. The other hand have a male hand or an any gender hand-in-hand handing you. What a hand make because ashamed to speak about sex that this doesn't make me a slut. You weren't when either you're not even implying sex because you're alone the entire time. If you want to use the kY alone more power to you. But don't tell me that like you're using this with someone else because I see no proof. That someone else exists. I am a woman, I stand in solidarity of all women in support of each other and speaking about this one k y Valentine's Day, Kyi add now four times like through different routes how much money they spend on this, it must have been like a really big product launch for them. Listen up people. This is our biggest product launch in one decade yours and mine Kyi. Let's get all the influencers on the horn, every influence or of Maria Martino. Megan king. Edmonds, I wish we get what you want, I, if we got the Kyi account. Oh boy. Why didn't she change her blog title to Meghan kY admits for the day? Come on. Somebody thought I was flirting with her boyfriend and literally came up to me with a blue drink and threw it in my face. I won't like this. What are you doing? And then St. screamed, and I was like this is funny in quick Haley Bieber. We talked about this. He did. We did it make the show. Maybe we cut it. Okay. Probably cut it. I mean, we really Bieber very boring. Okay. Haley Baldwin now Haley Bieber. She changed her name. Here's what's funny about this. To me, maybe you shouldn't have changed your name so quickly because you applied for that, that license to make the beauty line you wanted. And guess what you can't make it because your husband whose aim is also Bieber. I understand how that name thing works, but he already applied for a license, a copyright license or a, a premium a trademark license or whatever and his is still active. So she tried to get a trademark for Bieber beauty. It takes months months months than the trademark the patent office gets back to where they're like, hey, this already exists, and guess what? It's registered by your husband Justin Bieber, and he did it when he was nine years old. I mean he did it quote unquote like someone on just instantly gel makeup or whatever. And, you know, let's, let's sell some best Espejo Clair's, and they registered his name for Bieber, beauty or Bieber with beauty products. And now, they're like, sorry, hilly Bieber disarray exists, if she just done it as Haley Baldwin, which honestly, we all know her as Baldwin beauty paly Baldwin beauty. She would have gone just hate that she changed her name. Baldwin is a is a stronger name than Bieber. It's so much stronger it stronger. And it has the same cloud. Maybe do you think I don't know? I don't like Justin bieber's has more clout than Baldwin. No Baldwin is like that's a fucking bullets wrong. She got punished for it. Because now she has to apply again for, like with, like a different name or just up on the beauty thing, which honestly, I would at this point, I'd be like, all right. Moving on. Let's talk about a name with, you know, obsessed with this, no equity. Thailand Blundell belongs. It's not tie tiling, isn't it wouldn't? It be th- when violent will she's French. Right. She's French Dhillon. De Lun, TT, Lon, Teton Umbro due to you don't belong though. The most beautiful girl in the world. Teela blown does seventeen with swith phone as she belches addict day, Bill in a in a bag. You d. Mention of smokey t nine Gujral founding video on face except by relentless. In play. Chunking thinnest Bondo drew my face. What about the daughter of French TV presenter? Veronica Lougee and football player, petite, Blondeau Dilan earned the most beautiful girl in the world title after making her debut, as a child model. The point is, she was seen at a cafe looking pretty normal, like a team at earth cafe, your favorite place Lindsay says she gave twenty five things about me on her channel in French. Great do I speak good. French, what she's going to be saying in this? No. I only speak, French at the Paris hotel in Las Vegas. That's the only time that my French comes into play this woman who was this Frenchwoman. Let me tell you just said, she's the daughter of a French TV host and a football player, she was famous back in the day, like ten years ago, because everyone called her quote the most beautiful girl in the world, which is psycho and demented and really messed up. Well, that's there was controversy because she was a child model. And she did a lot of like high end modeling and they dressed her in some like, you know, some looks and then people were like this is like child porn. We hate this. This is bad. So was controversial now you know, sixteen or seven sixteen or fifteen years later, she has her own clothing brand, and she's a model. She's still a model once a model always a model. And this is what they're you know, they're writing about her hanging out in LA. So there are though, so glamour Magda, Dave x things to know about fifteen things to know about her whose name is still uncomfortable. Pronouncing one. She's go one. She's friends with the son of Daniel Day-Lewis. His name is Gabe in is a model. How do you feel like Daniel Day-Lewis feels like about his son being a model like not great? I think he probably loves it. I Dana Lewis has like, oh, great art. He thinks of it as some sort of, like expression. He's probably playing with the other amazing thing on this list is that she's got a fan club. And it says she's gonna fan club, the model currently holds over a million followers on Instagram and attends meet and greet with her fans who call themselves. This is even more annoying to pronounce t- Lanier's to lenders. T landowners to Leonard. I hate this. Yeah. I really hate it. Yeah. No, I know it's bad. But I just thought it was funny 'cause it was in Australia, I think it was in Australian tabloids, which is weird and they're talking about a French girl in LA. So she's friends with Alvin they look alike. Apparently they look a little alike. They both look like models. They both have model faces, you know, pointy eyebrows small small big eyes, small knows I am into the, the comments on the on the Daily Mail article because it's just photos of her of cafe at lunch. Looking completely normal. And everyone is like I don't know who this is. And also, she doesn't look beautiful on the comments are looks very plain to me, and it someone else's, maybe if you've gotten a different photo, the other four, we might believe you when you label someone has the most people for be prepared for black backlash stupid article, if she is the most beautiful girl, I am lily Collins, what truly a British comparison. She's the most beautiful girl in the world. I am lily Collins. That's she's beautiful. That's what they're saying. But it's. Go for that as the most, that's your reference point for us makeable girl in the word. That's barrett. That's weird. Yeah. And it's also weird Daily Mail to not put photos of this girl looking hot in this article. This is weird right? Or just like maybe brightness for and also calling her the most beautiful girl in the world is not them saying that they're quoting the reason why this girl is famous in the first place, which is even more awkward. I hate it, what I will say. I liked the feud between Bethany Franklin Sonny Austin, I hate it. Do we want to talk more about housewives not really think it's funny? I will sonny's not housewife sonny's, the view. Yeah. And if I mean I don't know Bethany. But I've seen her behave that way on the beach. Hear about again. He could never actually feel. No, no. She's not a couple of times. They're telling me not to talk about it in my ear said that was. I'm just saying I've seen that kind of behavior when Bethany yelled at my child on the beach. Yeah. Say they did not. Benny hill, Ohio, or on the beach because she's it was in the middle of the day, and my child was about seven playing with other children at about two o'clock in the afternoon. And she said that her child was napping inside with the window open, and that our children were being too loud on the beach, not skinny mug arenas for you. What did she do so that she went out there and yelled at the Kenya? My child, and I went out there and stood in front of my child, and I yelled at her and told her that adult speak to adults. And I love that. Everyone's coming out the coming out of the woodwork and calling calling Bethany like a serial yeller, like it's like apparently Bethany yells at kids all the time. Well, she is a yeller and everyone's, and everyone's coming up being like sunny, sunny house, and said, who's of Yukos was like, yeah, Bethany one time yelled at my kids when we were on the beach because they were playing outside and Bethany skip is trying to sleep at two PM in the afternoon. And so she started yelling at the kids, and I came out and was like, do not talk to my children, if you wanna yell at someone yell at me, I believe, sunny or Bethany, I believe, sunny, I think Bethany yells at everyone and especially children. She commented on that so much, what happens live in very, very much brushed it off. It was awkward Garin from New Jersey wants to know what's going on with you and sunny from the view. I don't know. I said you yelled at her. I. I think she's been drinking or taking I don't know. And I don't know. And then someone else was like, whenever sunny tweeted about it sunny was like, do not call me a liar. I have witnesses. I have receipts. Also, this is defamation. And in some random woman, chimes in and goes cosigned at Bethany yielded arcades during the day, I was in the house and heard you yelling at our young kids to lower their voices because your baby was sleeping, whether or not. She yelled is you can't you can't yell at other people's children. That's a big. No, no. You gotta yell at the parents that exactly. That's what Sunny's point was you can yell. You parents, not the kids. She said adult yell at adults, which I like that line. That's true. That's reasonable just yell at the parents. Hey, shut up there rude anyway, as Bethany he's ever going to stop yelling at kids, that's, like her whole entire, you know, when someone says you're yelling, and then you say, that's just my normal voice. Maybe that's the issue here. I've heard I've heard her inside voice. I've heard her inside voice. You have more. It sounds like yelling heavy I'll many times. Okay, fine. She does have an indoor voice. She doesn't inside boys. Here's the thing it's summer. Right. Yeah. We know that's how this seasons are changing. But still the most important thing is brushing your teeth. I note that never changes me I'm like a man amount. I'm traveling. But I always, I'm taking my quip toothbrush, with me because I'm like always having a brush my teeth. 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She flies to LA often, and could make the relationship work, both parties. Do have something in common a cheating scandal. Gavin was allegedly caught with the nanny, while tiger supposedly had many mistresses during their marriage. So for those who forget, I think if you look at it you remember. But if you if I heard it, I wouldn't, maybe that's true. So she is a tiger. Woods ex married. They're married. They were married. But, but there's there's drop. Oh, there's full. I mean she cheated she did it. She was a model. On the nanny, and Tiger Woods is ex wife and he cheated on her. And then I think she took a wait. Hold on. What does argument with wife Ellen Nordic ran over his alleged affair with Rachel Yuka? Tell reportedly led to his one car accident in Florida right on November twenty seven after two twenty five AM crash Nordgren told police that she smashed. Yeah. Your window with the golf club. I know wait for husband, okay? Get duck. So she, there was drama because she came out and smash the car with Gulf glum. But how dare I wouldn't say bad? It's obviously golf club in the city but you learn is the one who was scorned. Oh, yeah. No terror. Woods was a piece of shit and her made like, and she, she made like so much money off at the this divorce. It was the other thing. It was two things that happened. It was like, I'm a billionaire now. Thank god. So she became super super super rich. She bought a house. You bought a mansion and now she's dating and NFL player is still playing, and they're having a kid. But what's funny about this is to me is in the article, that's like us weekly's talking about like that. She's having a baby Ella. In maintains a very low profile and has a normal, boring life. And insider tells us weekly that's like an oxymoron sentence. Florida loves her to live the quiet life. I hear she's surprised that people care this much that she's pregnant, and I actually agree with that. I also deprives people give shit that this woman is pregnant. I really don't. I mean, I guess I'm fine with it. Shit. I don't give you don't give a shit. I guess we had a nice moment, remembering that she had a car with a golf club. But, like I also feel like who cares absolutely. What I do care about. Oh, no Judi Dench, Judy revealing that. She's adopted three ring attains as she campaigns to protect the boarding and rainforest. I like you just dropped the photo here of Judi Dench. Hanging precariously opposite of precariously in like a bunch of ropes smiling with the helmet in looteries. What's this? The door jungle showing force Dopp that she didn't adopt them. She just like pays for their food right to she's all about the rainforest now. She let alone we'll someone has to be it's dying. It's been dying for it since the eighties. So I sent the Spencer. He said daughter walks in Judy zipping up a suitcase. And she says, tell me if you can hear this. I'm deeply and giving up only I we were ten. Where are you saving that to play for me? I'm leaving. I'm going to bony. Oh, I can't even say played again. I'll just send me that I'm easy, and phony. I mean, that was to Spencer is incredible sponsors. Such a good actor his duty dentists. So good. I'm leaving. I don't know. We now return if you were like, if you said to me Lindsey, I know it's crazy and you don't believe this but the rainforest thing it's been solved. We did it the rainforests. They're great. They're fine. They are not going anywhere. And then I said, no, Bobby that can't be possible. We've been fighting rainforest deforestation since the eighties, there was no way and you would say will Judi Dench, went took she took care of it. I would say, all right. Moving on what's next who's next June event. She save the rainforest. I bought a patch of rainforest. There was some really funny thing. I was really excited about when I was a kid. There was some cereal that was like if you get all these box tops than you can like, adopt, adopt an acre of some rainforests, and I was like, mom. I gotta save the rainforest. And I think the cereal was. Rice, crispy treats cereal, so by weight. Disgusting Syria rose. Yes, the most disgusting and I didn't even like the cereal is I loved rice, crispy treats cereal. You guys I hated it. But it recently a few years ago when I lived in LA. I saw some like it must have been old. They don't make it anymore. I bought some like old right? I will do searches rare. They still do. It's rare really. They don't make there's a place that make just play. I think it just leftover whatever I bought it. Let me tell you, even if it was one hundred years old, at this point, delicious, the one the cereal that I like when it came to when it comes to like sugar cereals, like that are just early writing your teeth, my favorite was fruity pebbles that was the one I wanted. And then I would let it sit in the milk, and I would just laugh, you know, read the read the cartoons and the newspaper and then let it sit. And then after that it was like him. Rudy and stuff. Delicious anyway. So what I'm saying. On your patch of rainforest recently. I think it probably only lasted for like twenty two like a month probably wasn't even real like it was like this isn't real, because I got certificate in the mail, you know, six months later, that was like you adopt at the rainforest because you bought like all these boxes of Rice, Krispies treats cereal, and I was like, that's so awesome. But the fine print probably meant like this doesn't actually mean anything. I'm so sorry, you're no Judi Dench. But you tried. I'm DeeDee and giving phony. I mean that was ten what is up with Thira Murray? Well, she was arrested for allegedly drunk driving in a car with only three wheels. Here's my thing. That's hilarious. There's two things way on here one if she'd been sober driving with the three wheel car, still, also, huge problem K, if she'd been drunk driving with four wheels on the car. Also, a huge problem. See. I almost feel like driving with just three wheels drunk isn't even that bad, because you're going to be so bad, a driving that you're gonna go far, you know, she went far they got her in the tunnel, but she was definitely driving, slowly, you can't drive fast with, with, because it said it was sparking is Thira Murray. Do you ever is love and hip hop star whose claim to fame or infamy, which really sucks was last year? She was dating. The sky this this rapper Akbar, Abdul Ahad? And he is really really, really good friends with fifty cents, so she's on. She's on Levin up. He's really good friends with fifty cents and so fifty cents with fifty cents. They broke up and he posted like revenge porn essentially, he posted one of their sex tapes on his Instagram. And I mean it was it was explicit it was deleted. Then fifty cent reposted it on his Instagram among other people. But she said he was the most famous person who did it. And she was like this is backed up. This is revenge porn, blah. She sued fifty cent. She got Lisa bloom to be her attorney and Lisa bloom, if you'll recall is like a, you know, celebrity attorney does a lot of advocacy, for women likes female clients, especially ones who have suffered at the hands of men. And then fifty cent during this lawsuit was like, well, I'm friends with Gloria Allred. Lisa Bloom's, mom, and like as taunting her, and then he posts Instagram. That's like Lisa south, don't make basically mom off, well, this sucks, but also the, the van the story lost the story ends with the case being settled, and then this woman tiara is forced to pay part of fifties, legal fees, which, I think we're over a hundred thousand dollars. But her though the judge was like you have to pay fifty cent thirty thousand dollars. And she was like, I ain't got it. She has given him fifty cents. She owes him twenty nine thousand nine hundred ninety nine dollars and fifty cents. She made a song called I ain't got. Get full CB screens up, let you watch and up to help them, beco- yet, jump back. And if they it so quickly. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. You. You. She her actual claim to fame before this business. Maybe her claim to infamy her claim to fame was that she had a recording career in the eighties and nineties, and she was signed to Rockefeller. She worked with Jay z worked all these people she had like one kinda hit, but not really. And then she was on love and hip hop for a while. The. Is she on Levin anymore? No. I don't believe so no. Yeah. I don't think so either. But I just listened to her breakfast interview linked at their that you the whole story inches. Like what happened and it sucks. Fifty ended up winning the door. He didn't win the lawsuit since I didn't since that situation happened. Lisa drop the case 'cause she was like, I can't represent you know, more, because it just looks crazy what you back together. That's what he was taking. Around hanging out with each other. Right. Right over right. How? So why would she drop the case fifty? She said it looked crazy. She just dropped the whole thing. That's I just got an Email. And I had to come up her office, and I signed off. Okay. You drop the case on top of that. I couldn't get anybody else to pick the case back up. So basically, the case was just going on. So the judge it was like okay, hey, you lost. You gotta pay him his legal fees. That's why I have to pay. Have you? Paid them fifty cents other day. How'd you check and you say to office? No, I watched in union, it, it's so now she was caught driving drunk on three. We'll call officers booked her Marie made sure they knew she was allegedly Bryant of the cops being celebrities orces said my favorite thing that celebrities do when they're drunk driving is say, don't you know who I am on American just getting that was only with who was not drunk driving drunk in a car. This is you have to play some Reese Witherspoon play with it's been Odio, this is outrageous, but she say this is ridiculous. She's. She's. I am. I'm pregnant and I need to go to the restaurant. What is today? Stand on American. I want to ask you. Car saying they're getting. Yon. Against being. You know my name over you don't need to know quite yet. Find out who I am we can do Rita soon before we do. We can set the flying lend as actually not interesting. They're trying to walk in tight tight rope, and they're literally, their families their whole family is famous because they do tight rope, and their grandfather died doing tight rope and yet they still do it. So we one of the they're not. You don't have a hundred percent success rate. Lindsey, they're seven Jenner. He's seven generation. It's not funny. It's funny but it's like his great grandfather dies funny to me that last night on TV here. Your options, big little lies the B T awards and tooth and some idiots walking rope. How have we gotten this is this is summer TV? This is literal summer. What is what is that many golf show, what I want is the mini golf show. What's it called like the whole called holy Doley? It's like, oh like all the bad all about game shows that show. It's called. Holy moley. Holy moly. I don't know mini golf show. Holy moly. What you watch other people play mini golf. But there's like it's like more of an upscale Coursey mini golf. Why would I want that the it sounds? I'd rather watch rather watch these. Jesus people walk the much rather. I'd rather watch holy moly than big little lies, just getting. I love big little lies. But I wanted much both at the same time anyways, I wish I had tuned into the flying lend instead of because this seems I you know, they didn't fall. No. You think we wouldn't have heard about it? What I think about passions like a weird thing. So this is this is this is true. I woke up morning. And I was like this is true to get this morning. And I was like, what's true story? What's my passion? You know what I had a dream. I don't know something. I had some sort of weird existential dream you up this morning. You said, what's my I was thinking about passions. And I don't know what it was that I read or watch that made me think about it. And it was like, like hobbies. I mean, like what's your what's your passion? And I was like, you know, the sort of sort of pathetic. Oh, where it's like theoretical where it's like if you if you know, all of your life taking care of, and you could really do whatever you want. What would dash be? And I was kind of, like, I guess it's I guess it's cooking. I don't know. I was just it was literally the said, no, I know. But that's what I'm getting. So I was like that's what I was thinking about, and I was like, I guess, that's whatever, okay I cannot this, this is their passion. This is what they wake up and think, what is my passion walking on a rope between buildings. They, it's this compulsion, they have to do it. And I have your story about thinking about your passion is what led to you try to explain why these, when you when you read about these people. They talk about it as though. I mean it's like it's like any sports. Well, I I've always wanted to play in the Super Bowl like I've always went actors, I always, I wanted to win an Oskar. And because those things are so prevalent narcissi. Body. All of them are the same as what I'm saying, like all our passions are equally absurd whatever and unique. But because we hear these stories all the time when I read the story where it's since I was a kid. I've been dreaming about walking eighteen hundred feet on a tight rope. But to hear the all cash that, right? It's like saying me saying to you, I wanna win Oskar ease the likelihood it's the same like unlikelihood of me also walking tightness. And that's what I'm trying to say. This is my long winded way of thing. So really, you really took too long Hashim, you walk around the passion is more or less ridiculous than wanting to wanting a Super Bowl ring wanting to win an Oscar wanting to be president. They're all crazy. Throw crazy. Yes. But I feel like you have to have an why a lot of people were like their Jesus. I think the skill and concentration and physical kind of state, you have to put yourself into do an activity like this makes you predisposed to having religious, because you're any because you're so focused and yours tune with your body, but you're also just like in a zone that I think is very you have to have like the greater power conversation be that be Jesus Beata anyone else to be the kind of person who could go into such a meditative state and focused that you could walk across a rope. Although I Ray I don't think these people are free. I don't think anything anyone with a dream or a goal or a weird. Compulsion is a freak I will say freak free solo. That's a freak. He's a freak. Well, free solo isn't a Jesus freak and I'm not saying Jesus freak the freak like I'm saying, like, you know, like how people are called. All right. They love Jesus. A lot of clicks, what people think if I hear that I'm a Jesus freak that time using the word frito, we're flying will end us. Let's move onto Rita. Was she wary where was she seen? She posted, why Onondaga Graham, she's the who Queen. Onto. What's Rita ORA up to who is this woman? What's weird is that there's not much read at this week that you look to? There's just no much. We'll read it came off the new music video ritual. Thanks. And the song as I've said is growing on me it is. And the video is she sings its what love about Rita is even though the song, she's third build on the song. It's like DJ DJ TISCO something who else Jonas, do, but read is the time Rita will always do the work, but time those guys are just these like gross DJ's in, in a in a locked room with the with the soundboard, and I gotta say, Breda is the only one do they will be lucky to have read or on your future, because she will always put in the work. Yes, she will always wrong. And they were like who will do the video promote the song, be out there be talking about it? Rediscovered. The best connections to the best press. She knows how to get in the paychecks to know how she knows how to get out of page. And you knows how to get news shows at wear pants with one leg. That's gonna get on the Daily Mail. She gonna get that song promoted. That's this song has been way. More promoted than anybody would be than anything Phoenix somehow. Well, she's also gonna chest infection. So she had to cancel her show. That's one of the reasons that she's up too much because she's got a chest infection. Well, she, yes, she was gonna play Iceland. I think actually it was a show that I kind of I really wanted to go. Yeah, it was cool, but she was not there, another show that Bobby and I wanted to go to see Rita that handle Saint Saint Pete. We don't go see read it because we are the ones who would like just our interesting that kind of ruined the show. Probably maybe she heard about it that we. Did you read this article that I pay sit in here? It's like it's a website called surf the spirit outcome. And it's definitely all just like scrubbing, the internet, and then rewriting it with, like an algorithm. Rita ORA in her speeches uses electronics to processor voice, Rida, or is a very attractive singer, who has great potential ability to be, which in her songs this month or decided to cooperate with famous deejays who massively process music the most. I know it's amazing the most striking example of their cooperation is the song ritual, which was released recently, the song vividly shows the talents in writing the music of these people. The song should be Europe's summer hit, read, or in the video clip. A shot from beginning to end accompanying the video with Frank dances, dancing. Just look brilliant. The dances, our company by professional dancers. It's like me in fifth grade, finishing an Esa, click on surf the despair dot com. I surf the spare makes no sense dot com. These are some of the headlines on surf the spare dot com. I knew fair website, KENDALL Jenner returns to relationship with the photos. Her Emily Radha, Cousy eating spaghetti Drake. Maintains relationship with players of his team communica obey. Oh, glitters like a diamond in his own life pink. Let's the press into her family Haley balden is relaxing in a homely family environment. Recently, the husband of famous model and social networks published the photo on which sits at the piano, and Haley Baldwin is hugging him by the shoulders, Justin bieber's seal will soon surprise fans. Secure is a very secretive singer. These are just the headlines, Tom hardy will be poisoned again. Oh, oh, they mean venom. Miley Cyrus to the point of divorce. Okay. This is my fair website. Yeah. Lady Gaga breaks families lady hug on officially meets with Cooper after his up ration- from the Russian model. They often begin to spend time together Cooper calls, lady Gaga. Cooper called lady. Cooper called lady Gaga three hundred times a day. That's true. The star on the set had a strange warm relationship. Perhaps this was the beginning of the break-up of relations, and the Cooper family, according to witnesses fans were divided on different sides. Some fans are happy for lady Gaga that she may have found a relationship others condemn somebody that the star destroyed the Cooper family. The couple had children in the family who suffered from family divorce wait to bring it back to read out. They haven't apiece apiece. I'm going to peace art Rita ORA sunbathing Rita ORA has a great time in summer reort likes relaxed, by the pool occasionally swimming, and cool pool in between taking photos of her body, Instagram subscribers subscribers to her page. Do not skimp on comments put Rita ORA likes which have already accumulated a million in her sexy photos of Reto, or in the bikini. Rita ORA wrote under the pictures. Here are couple of pictures of me on vacation after the tour, only I will need a face. 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Ep. - 291 - THE VOW ON HBO BEHIND NXIVM WITH FRANK PARLATO

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Ep. - 291 - THE VOW ON HBO BEHIND NXIVM WITH FRANK PARLATO

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I've been watching HBO's the Vowel, this nine part documentary series that chronicles the rise of next. As a Colt I've been following this case for several years and I was thrilled when HBO announced that they had a Docu series. So, this follows former members on their journey of self discovery and how when they realize the truth behind what the organization really was and defected. It highlights the gas lighting the abuse, the Misogyny in the deep physiological manipulation of its members think about all the people that you know that are so obsessed with self help books, self help programs. This is a real window into one goes awry. This series takes a deep nuance look at the organization faced with various charges including sex trafficking, racketeering conspiracy against its highest members, and most notably the founder Keith Rainier who was convicted in June two, thousand nineteen is currently awaiting sentencing. Founded by Keith Van Guard Ranieri Nancy Prefect Saltzman of all places Albany New York in one thousand nine, hundred, Ninety, eight next him started off with humble beginnings as this self help group that specialized in what was called Executive Success Programs Esp's so people from all different industries would be helped by this incredible program in there is. Well it didn't take long for Keith Rainier who preferred to go by the name vanguard with the students and followers to get the attention from outsiders in the media who called Nexia McColl five years after the group got start in a two thousand three Forbes profile on the organization titled Cult of Personality, This reporter spoke with a number of people who had taken the courses including former CEO of the Seagram Beverage Company Edgar Bronfman who had taken part in the program but at grown worrisome when one of his daughters and the eventual bankroller of the organization Clare. To the group reported two million dollars. So in the profile, he explained that he thought it was a cold and then he hadn't talked to not only Clare but her sister Sarah in months after they became involved with nexium and that he was worried about their emotional and financial investments. So other detractors in the profile claim that Keith rent a Colt like program that would break down students psychologically and isolate them from the outside world. So as the years go by Nexium and it's spiritual leader Keith gain, even more attention from the detractors who accused him of operating a business model that could be classified as a multi level marketing scheme in a two thousand eleven article in the Albany Times Union detailed a bitter court battle between attorneys representing former members and one put in charge of nexium legal affairs, which included the breaking down of different notes, detailing various charts and diagrams showing the various levels and the rates of the group. Will one of the major components of the argument and one that shows up in the series is the use of different colored Sashes and stripes that are earned by climbing the ranks of your organization by doing things like pain for courses, getting new members to join an other metrics. Tense. The multilevel marketing scheme component? Will, in October two, thousand, seventeen with the new. York Times published in-depth report on the Secret Sisterhood within the group. They were branded with markings that included the initials of key members like Keith, neary, an allison mack, the former star of Smallville who had quickly become a major name in subsequent months. So the branding of the members was reportedly just a small part of the abuse the Sisterhood referred to as dominace obsequious sorority him dos. Experienced in the years leading up to the revelation. So Sarah Edmonson, an actress heavily featured in the vow had been a member since two, thousand, five and one time leader of the Vancouver Center. She was just one of many women and male members to leave the group as abuse Pecan to become more rampant and nexium went down to an even darker. PAP. Less than a year after the New York Times. Article Exposes Nexium in Dos Program Allison Mack Keith Rainier Nancy Salzman and other high ranking members of the organization were all arrested and charged with a number of felonies including racketeering racketeering conspiracy. Forced Labor and other charges related to an alleged sex trafficking operation according to CNN. Prosecutors argued that Mac in Saltzman actively recruited women from across the country to join the group and were called slaves until they recruit additional members at which time they would become masters. So the former smallville actress, Allison Mack would eventually plead guilty to racketeering and racketeering conspiracy charges in two thousand nineteen when she admitted that role the extortion and forced labour carried out by next him. According to the Albany Times Union. Keith went to trial in May of two thousand and nineteen, and was found guilty a month later on all charges including the sexual exploitation of child sex trafficking, identity, theft, forced labor, and various other counts related to the group's operations. So he is currently awaiting sentencing Nancy Saltzman also pled guilty to racketeering criminal conspiracy March two nineteen. So the original idea for the stock you series started out fairly small as former member. Sarah Edmonson told rolling stone just last month at the beginning they wanted to document what was going on because they were certain that Clare was going to sue them and they wanted to have everything on tape. So it was self protective and then it morphed into. Wow, this is crazy. We need to document this. I can't even tell you how many twists and turns this case takes I'm just enthralled by every episode as much as you do as you are, and one of the most bizarre parts of the hope that they cover is that there was this other actress named Nicky. Klein. She was best known for her role as Kelly tyrol in two thousand, three reimagining of Battle Star Galactica on the SCIFI channel. So like most members of the cash, she's originally hired for a minor non recurring role. But because she impressed show runners with talent two, thousand four, she became a major part of the series until the character's eventual death in two thousand eight. So after that, she did various other short films TV. cameos before landing this bigger role and battle star collect. So in two, thousand six, she discovers nexium and becomes involved in in within two years. She's completely immersed herself into it whatever she sought experiencing an enchanted her so much that she asked to be let out of her contract so that she could focus on her work in the self help organization called fulltime. So leaves behind her job to totally be immersed in nexium. And it was because of this requests that her character on battle star Galactica had to be killed off for the last fourteen years. She has been a member of nexium rising through the ranks and that's where she met her now life former smallville actress Allison Mack. Now, you're like, wait a minute they're married. In two, thousand, seventeen after the couple tied the knot it was alleged that their marriage was nothing but a sham to evade the US immigration laws. This also became public knowledge when the next year allison was involved in the legal proceedings with her association with Nexium in the conspiracy and racketeering charges that were against it. So apparently, their relationship is not one of romance at all. It is a that Nikki was alison slave in the DOS society. So according to Vice Report. Nikki Klein is involved with this nexium connected activist group that has gone by the names, the forgotten ones, and we are as you. The group which formed in July of this year professes to have a goal of achieving prison reform in connection with the black lives matter. But in reality, their sole interest appears to be bringing attention to what they believe is the wrongful imprisonment of Keith Ranieri. So the group stages dances outside of the Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn where Rainier is being held and is released statements critical of his portrayal in the media. So Nikki herself frequently shows up in stories on the group's Instagram page according to Vice where she seen prominently participating in the group's activities. The group is not been open about its next connections, but those ties were uncovered in a report by the Albany Times Union in July they have done spectacular coverage by the way go back to the Archives of Albany Times. Union. So Nicky Klein may have avoided criminal charges, but she peers to remain wholly committed to the group and its founder Keith and she's still legally married to Allison Mack. I am thrilled about this episode because I had a chance to talk to frank PARLATO. He was the lead investigator in coordinating producer of Investigation discoveries to our blockbuster special the lost women of Nexium, which we talk about in this episode but he is also the head writer and the head of the Frank report which I mentioned earlier has been on the frontlines of covering everything that has gone on within this organization. For several years I've been reading it for years. I. Am telling you. It is the rabbit hole of rabbit holes to go down. 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You can save a child's life for just seventy cents a day, and that's less than I spent on an ice. He now let's truly say in something to smile about. So smiletrain dot org slash reality visit smiletrain dot org slash reality today. Frank PARLATO is an investigative reporter journalist producer I been following his website. For several years as you know I'm sort of a nexium nerd i. am thrilled to tell you that I've got him on the line and I'm so excited. Shocked him frank to the show. Thank you suppose you to be here. I gotTa tell us how you kind of fell into this nexium world. Because I think that you have such an interesting window into this world well Those a man who many people know by name his name is Roger Stone. And he was Working for next team as a consultant long as a man named Steve Pigeon Oh well known operative on the Democratic Party side. And they are recommended me to keep neary. To Act is. there. A crisis manager and Publicist. Back in two thousand seven. So I went to work for Nexium as a As one of their consultants. To help them spin what was then an incipient. Of media coverage which was. Suggesting that they were cult. So you're basically like they're like a crisis pr person that came to kind of sway people away from the idea that they were doing. They were they created this organization that had been in a sense like brainwashing. Their congregants so You're brought in an at in that process you kind of uncover something. Correct. Well. Yes. At first. All appearances were. Extremely favorable he had. A Wonderful Group of women apparently. All of them. Attractive all of them. In. Good. Apparently physical condition slender and intelligent. WHO SEEMED TO BE THRILLED WITH BEING THERE And on top of that, you had Claire on Sara Bronfman. Seagram's heiresses who were dedicated to this. mission. He had several actresses else Mac Kristen Croup Nikki Klein these TV. Actresses. And had pretty bright intelligent group of people. So on the surface. It looks like an legitimate life. Coaching Company. And so I spun quite a few stories and kind of quelled the. Making. Right. then. It came to me into more of a problem solver than just. Came to me with the Los Angeles real estate the owner gone. Amok. And Doing just the Gatien I I wanted to La. I found that the partner would been appointed by leader of nexium. He neary. This partner in the real estate deal with the Bronfman Sisters. Woefully Ariza's. Currently was stealing. Money in someone's about ten million. I quickly. Exposed. Him Got the properties back. Recovered twenty six million dollars in assets for the Brosnan's. for which they paid me the sum of one million. Dollars. and. Then? I found another astonishing thinking. The same partners were neary and this gentleman in Los Angeles was running real estate a mock. Had invested sixty and five million dollars of Hebron's. Money and commodities and lost every last dime. Then I began to investigate. I didn't know anything really about the sex call. I knew that Rainier he had a was sleeping with the number of women, but they all seem to be knowledgeable of each other. Quite content. When I saw, the broth means lost nine million dollars. And I started to investigate this. I was unceremoniously fired. And so while you're there as you begin to uncover things, can you tell that they're getting uncomfortable there like you know a little bit too much is there are there signs there that they would retaliate in anyway No I, it was actually a sudden thing. It all turned they let me recover twenty, six million dollars. For them. But when I started to look into the sixty, five million dollars that was lost in commodities. They turned down a dime. And Rene. Keeps Rainier he had me. Fired fired, how did you start your website? What was the period of time? From the time that you were unceremoniously fired to the point at which you start your website. It was. stubbing years later. A lot happened in be quite a bit happens in between. So you're just you're collecting information in those seven years and you are are you getting calls from people that are like worst? There's something wrong with this organization, we don't know who to talk to. What was going on behind the scenes? Well I thought we were. And two thousand and I thought we were done. I help them with a lawsuit that I had initiated against the partner which they want and got a ten million dollar. Judgment. And then the minute I hit, they had used me for all of the things they needed before. They turned against me. And that was in two thousand eleven. In Claire Rothman. Under directions from Keith Rainier he went to the FBI. Enlarged criminal complaint, against him. Saying that I still one million dollars from her. Screw fraud. and. That began my kind of eight eight years fighting with. Ruin nearing one this happened. I took to. A determination to expose them. That's when I I I tried to do it through legal channels I went to the FBI tried to show them that the real criminals Keith renewing nearing and the next thing called. In the western district of New York they were not interested. They wanted to support whatever Rainier Ian Bronfman wanted, which was to indict me. But. Ultimately, I was able to. Turn it around by going to another STI district. Presenting the information wound up ultimately. In indictment of crossman. Else Mac. Yancey. Saltzman Lawrenson and through books for Cathy, Russell or were there a series of people that had left? Nexium before that. Body was the first in the two thousand seventeen. Year to leave, she was reading the French report. And she was feeling troubled by what she was reading there. And then when she found out that women were being abused. She begins to raise suspicions with mark. then. Mark wants to Sar- Sarah, Edmonson, and found out. Sarah was. Branded and It was a bit of a shock. How? How long was the period of time from to your knowledge that she was branded before she admits to mark the Brandon had happened. Was that a pretty quick was there a short period of time or had she been holding or had she been hiding that branding for quite some time? I would say about three months. And her husband. Did it take him along time to see the Brandon as well? Apparently. It took him about Sixty days before he found out and he. He exploded in Albany. Lawrence Saltzman. And some of the Aldrin's saying, you know you're granted my. My wife, this is outrageous And then you kind of hear that audio where she's trying to talk him out, talk him down from his his eight reach filled phone call and saying that was in the best interest of his wife. From. What do you understand about how? Far Lauren got into this organization. Was it a slow burn? How culpable was she and her mother? Her mother got her into Nexen mother was the president of Nexium and. Second in command. in. This young girl a got into it and probably age of twenty one or something. And became deeply involved as a teacher. And then she began fear with every. He promised her. A child, right. This is the big thing that seems to warrant issue testified in as as I had covered from friends of hers. She pinned all your hopes and motherhood. That she'd be more than just a nexium career. But that she would be the mother of his. Children. and. There's a terribly You know heartbreaking stories and she described on. The witness stand about how he let her on for almost twenty years and never. Gave Her that child and in the end who gave he had A. impregnated. Another woman instead of her. And gave the instruction. Now you have to be like an aunt to this child and take your for. Chart. Now, this is what this is. What I don't understand is that her is her mother aware of all of this going on the entire time. A lot of secrets recap from her mother although I'm sure she knew the. Rainier, he was having A. Sexual. Relationship with both of them. Separately. So Nancy and Lauren, are both sleeping with Keith. Right along with. Thirty other God written. How culpable is Nancy. But you know if you judge villa defaced on lying lying to the people you're working with, she's extremely culpable. She knew many of the secrets of renewing and yet. Wide To. The students. Yeah. She knew that he was sleeping with twenty thirty women and she would tell oldest new students that he was a like a monk. She got the many benefits mainly. Christie. Sh. She was served. Next to renew Rishi was worshipped by the. Students 'cause she was had the second highest ranks, and so she got a lot of grammar out of it not a tremendous amount of money. But she's still lived. Well, she had leave a forty thousand dollars per year clothing budget. And you know she had a house all paid for and. BMW's of cars and you know, maybe a hundred thousand dollar. Salary. So she lived kind of charms life for twenty years and she was the workhorse. She was the one that really got kept the classes going. So we can use the clashes to recruit. individuals to really get deeply into the cult. There is another daughter correct Michelle, and how involved was she with the organization? She was again a full time. Worker for the organization. But she was not apparently a lover of for Near East. So that she was actually. Able to marry another next remember. and so she both of them worked full time for the calls. Were you know cult members but not Was Not in the near Harem. And was Sarah expected to once the branding was? Placed was she expected at some point to start sleeping with Keith? Well, he hinted at that. With Lauren. He said to her. Not. Believe she was going to be expected to do that. He said now she's a slave. Her first loyalty is to me not to her husband. Which means commander to sleep with me. She must do that if I commander not to sleep with her husband. She must do have. Now in the course, these this twenty years, all of these women are sleeping with him. Some of them are bound to get pregnant. What happened when they became pregnant Be ordered them to have abortions. And there was one woman who refused and that little boy is about how old now? Is, we've thirteen. She didn't refuse. they didn't know she was pregnant. Until she had a physical. Problem that send you to the hospital. Where they discovered she was like eight months pregnant. Oh. My God. Holy Crap. And in those days was. Thirteen. Years ago fourteen years ago. They they didn't do eight months abortions so they were. Forced to allow the child live. What they concocted a very interesting story as you may know. They told the next game community. 'cause they were telling the students that keep who's the celibate monk. They the told the community that this child was a orphan. That they had adopted. Oh. My God and what is do we know what the name of the child is? Does it have some like? Bunkers, and His name's Galen Galen Okay Gaylon. Has the name of his mother Kristen KIEF. It's first kristen and Keith denied. Their. parentage. which was you know you talk about a cult that he has some evil in them. Here. You have a child growing up. Where everyone believes it's an orphan and the mother and father dancing site not. Admitting parentage. Houma God okay and in addition you have all these young women that have come from Mexico from other countries. They're doing essentially slave labor they're afraid to leave because they're undocumented workers. What how how did this even begin and how bad did it get? Well They've been bringing people from other countries in because that works really well because they get him out of legality they bring him in unwise. They lie on their visa to get them in. And then with the do as they get him out of compliance. So then now. They're. In. Fear of being. Deported or arrested so they basically have to work for free. For -neering and Clare Bronfman. ANTSY SALSA. the goal of course, is always to have slender attractive young women. And they were a for renewed married his. His alternating. But partners. and. Is he taking Viagra I mean, how is he able to keep up with this because it seems unrealistic that he would be able to do this Easily. Well can I be somewhat explicit? Yes. That's fine. At first, he was a true sex attic with apparently enough stamina to. To People him. Around two, thousand, seven or eight. He became impotent. Okay. And Many of the Harem women five interview like tiny explain to me that that was Sometimes inconvenient or uncomfortable. But he had a fascinating. Mess with of. Having. Sex. Whereas he persuaded all the women. I'm the last one of them. The only goal. Of this highly st ritual sex that he's providing. was to get. His relation. So he they were talk to their own pleasure. was secondary the greatest gift that they could get. was. Extract. Some of his suman. It's just so frustrating and horrendous, and the way that he systematically beat these women down by. Taking isolating them, having them subside on these diets that were so low calorie that they were weak at the sleep deprivation. under being underpaid beating them down until they, they had to be totally reliant on him. And everyone else and they're working for absolutely nothing and they have to continue to take these courses, which, of course, we know are stolen from different groups. landmark and scientology and an and everywhere else and the surprising thing is you have a group of people that are taking these courses that are highly educated who are professional. And they are buying this hook line and sinker. Why do you think he was so successful in doing so I think there's two real key critical components. One is if the courses actually kind of a hypnotic induction It's early in the morning on local little sleep and go till nine. Or ten at night. and. It was all a kind of mishmash of things but central to it all was. Keith Ramirez the one who can. Save you. He's the one that can think for you. He's the one that will rescue you. And this was subliminally. Talk to these. People mostly women now, a lot of people did not. Join, the colorful full time they would just students they had sixteen thousand. Students and maybe a thousand. Cope number so they were sifting all the time. The second team greeting it was that the women. Were used to. Indoctrinate. If this highs is and edify renewing. She'd women working against women. Women. Knowing. That he was a sex. Maniac. For is. Working to bring young innocent women by lying to them. And then slowly getting them indoctrinated if it could wind up. As A. Fresh new sex partners for Keith renewing. So an also when they talk about the collateral if you could give people an idea of what that collateral meant. We've heard that they had to write it sometimes. Djing commentary about people in their own family, they were pushed to make up about them that they were abused or they were witness to abuse by a family member, the deed of their homes, and then there seems to be a segment of women that were forced to give graphic up-close graphic photos of their genitalia. Is there truth to that? Is that what the collateral? Mainly was. Our you've seen some of the. It was leaked to me by escaping slave. And yes Renew, he had an idea i. think you also had fetish but his idea was is if you have graphic new pictures of respectable women. That's always going to be A. Something, you can hold over them. And I think he also had fetish these kinds of pictures. So they were facing the picture with Graphic. Genteel your pictures. And he was found with I don't know twelve thousand pages. When the FBI Raided his His quote Unquote Library So the collateral was first and foremost that was always the naked pictures. then. There were false confessions that were true. Confessions were stop. things that. Could. Be some collateral with was to be able to ruin the person's life to destroy their reputation every. Family. Friends career. With. So they were, they judged the clitoral on a on a numerical scale as to how strong it was in its ability to destroy. The woman's life. And one of the things that always flabbergasted me as he has these women on a very low calorie diet and that they were not really able to sleep because they had to have these. Tax Message text message responses in a very under under a minute. So disallowed them to have a full night asleep meanwhile, he's taking women on long walks in the middle of the night. And then goes home and takes a long neck. So He's getting plenty of sleep but no one else's glad to have sleep around him is what are the kind of crazy things that you have heard about who he who he was as the leader of this group? And the Organization itself. But I think you have to understand his psychology we explained at once in an article that was published in Mexico I'll go he he disguised it as the characteristics of a psychopath. And gave an example of a man was really talking about so. A man who begins the sexy edit and no matter how much sex that couldn't make him. Happy. It's only made miserable yet to have sex. Constantly. And then he found what really gave him joy. What gave him Joyce. He admits this out. Was Not having sex but destroying people's lives. While they fuck restrained to help. So everything's you did. Kate was. Not mentioned to obtain sex it was to destroy. The lives of these people which was successful and do he destroyed all of their lives? While they was thinking. He was the vanguard their. Teacher. That cared about him about them. Unbelievable. Now tell me a little bit about what you know about the day they're arrested because it's my understanding that they were staying with a wealthy member in a wealthy members home who was interior designer and they were there and there were supposed to be some sort of renewal ceremony is any of that true. It's basically true. Renewing, I supposed renew his hideout in. Monterey I remember yes. He would take the walks around Monterey with with the baby in the stroller. Right, I broke that story and then he fled the FBI went down to see him. And he fled. He fled to Puerto. Vallarta. And He was hiding in a ten thousand the week. Villa. With a number of the slaves. And Mickey Klein. One of his slaves foolishly posted on instagram. that she was in Puerto Vallarta. And I knew and I published this if she's in Puerto Vallarta, she's only there for one reason. She would not be in Mexico just. On vacation so I published that. He was in a of the La seaside villa. and the what the planned that very day. was to have a what he called a recommitment ceremony. What actually was was a group Fillet Xio session with five or six his closest slaves. Instead of getting that. The. Mexican. Federal. Police. Or possibly bounty hunters disguised. As Mexican federal police came to the door. And Lauren was there. They came to take Keith hidden closet. Warren try to Stand up for him. They threw to the ground and pointed the machine gun at her head. And she was fearful dying. That moment she was waiting for Keith to be brave act like a man come out and. Save. Her. He didn't. So she said. He's hiding in the closet. God. Oh my God, and what do we know of how Allison is doing She seems to be the one person that no one is really heard from is she still believing that he is vanguard and is there a way that they're still communicating even through lawyers? That's an excellent question and I have heard people who are closer to her than me. Say she still. hypnotized and. Wants to she could if she wasn't. In trouble. And he wasn't in, we'd be together this very minute and starving her. and. Using her to recruit more women. Sweet I mean, even in the video footage that they shown the vowed the first meeting, which was unbelievable that they have footage of that. She's dislike pimple faced young woman who immediately was transfixed by him. And I can't figure out if he is really sexually attracted to her or it's like the wheels are turning like this one will be easy to. To Brainwash Well I think he never I don't think he was overly attracted to her they from what I know. They didn't have sex. For five or six years after she joint so she was. Just a true Brainwashed into believing this curriculum was. Life changing and it was a but not the way she thought she quit her Very successful, acting career and moved to Albany. So she could be a full-time worker. In nexium. Hon believable and so they. So he waits five six years to sleep with her, and then is she available to him all the time or playing games with her like she waiting at home and waiting for him to walk by the window. Was Did she. Run. Gosh. She was available. In one thing you have to know about teeth here and there was an understanding it was very strict understanding. He could be with all the women he wanted but no woman in this job. was ever allowed to be with any of their men. Cert. And he even told these women. That the spiritual connection. That is. Established between him and the woman because him. Depositing Semen. Into them or on them is such tickets they ever with another man. It could kill him. It's outrageous. Then you were kind enough to point me toward this incredible projects that you worked on the loss woman of next am, and it's there are two episodes it's on investigation discovery, and there are these four women that passed away that were involved with the group and involved with Keith, and two of them I'm most interested in because there was a time where there were all of these women living with Keith and they all. Had Cancer only one of them survived she kept lock of hair and though and investigators examined that hair and found that there were there were high levels of chemicals. Can you tell everybody a little bit about this because this is the part that I'm totally. pissed about I so mad. Well, I thought it was strange. He's living in Albany with. Four. Women and. Forecasts. And over a period of time, all four women get cancer. I know it's fairly common for cats to get cancer, but all four Cat Scott Cancer. To the women died two of them managed to survive all three of the four cats died. Increases. Healthy S. Inox doesn't make sense and I guess just thinking. You know teeth would talk about. He's talked about the new way of assassinating people is to give them cancer. He would make these kinds of statements. And won't be over people that are living with them. All get cancer? So when I made the film Lost Women Vaccine One of the women who has lived with them, who had cancer and manage to survive. Mainly, because she doesn't didn't follow keeps treatment regime. Happen to have a lock of her hair. Keith made a very big deal about every cutting your hair. No woman in his Harem was allowed to cuss they're here without permission. So. So this woman you'd actually here down below. And she begged. Are. You kidding her hair was only it went to her feet. Below her feud, she can stand on it oh. My God. Because he he felt he likes he likes long hair. So he told him that it was a spiritual. Psychic thing but she begged him wants to let. Her. Get her hair he permitted in. So it was such a big thing to her. But she kept the hair. For five or six years or some use it was when I got to her house interviewer and so happily I got here. And it's like a time capsule. And it showed. She Got A. She got bladder. Cancer and it showed that. Somehow she had ingested. extraordinarily. High levels of Barium and Bismuth. To. chemicals that are known to give. That kind of cancer. And I I I think it's very suspicious and the the other women who died. we were able to do hair samples, but I think, hey, if we were able to. Re probably find some. Similar results and rat poisoning could have been the cause of it like a systematic overtime slow burn a little bit. Aw You know maybe every day or every other day but they must have been injecting something like rat poisoning in order for those numbers to make sense because otherwise no, one would have those levels. Right and Keith was a chemist. I mean he studied chemistry He knew chemicals and he knew it kind of chemicals would be tested foreign the other. A. Suspicious. Deaths he didn't go with the standard arsenic. He used some creative. If it is indeed true that employs in these one. I interviewed the other woman that had cancer and she said that she used to wake up horrified that she was being poisoned night after night. Day. After day she you have these nightmares. She went to Keith she said and Keith said. I think it's the Aluminum Nadi. Trying to eliminate me. And I think they're trying to poison you all. Very Go. So that's the part that's so frustrating to as he basically admits he's pretty he becomes so pompous. So emboldened by all of this that he is pretty much outright with his plans and there's no one could have done anything because he had amassed so much power. Now what about these men sisters? At any point did Sarah become helpful in any way in provide you with any information or is she seems to be married and have children and to be living in a corner of the world has she come to see the light at all? No she's still deeply supportive of renewing. As this sister even though she's going to jail. They both are. You have to remember it was Bronfman's that made him powerful because he had hundreds of millions of dollars at his disposal to. Attack Enemies and. and. Pay. For. his hand. It is just absolutely wild I would keep in mind one thing. If, you took away. Celebrities. And you took away the broth money. He was just a two bit time man. Yep. Out of Albany it was his women Nancy Salzman maybe it was the greatest villain. Coup would go to women and take them in my sister my daughter to me I will help you. Will Change Your Life. Knowing that he was A. Of Eyeballs and prevaricators. Had Women selling other women down the road. Funded by she grooms Ariza's money. What is the status of nexium today is a thriving organization is key still able to run it much like Warren Jeffs or some of these other leaders that still have people running information to and from the jail is this inactive organization and is he able to continue to run it? Keeps was still running the operation. And there are a good number of women. And Cement. Course Still what you might call guy hearts and they're out there recruiting. And that is not only here in the United States. A strong contingent in Mexico. And that's despite him being in jail. So they're saying to these people are leader vanguard is in jail but I'm assuming they're saying he was wrongfully imprisoned. This is a human rights issue he is this. Humanitarian He's been wrongly accused, and then I'm assuming that they're also encouraging them. To read materials not to do a simple google search not to watch any news reports so to isolate them and then to continue to give them all of the manuals that he had other people right for years. Then it's correct and there's still a hierarchy of masters and slaves the keep. Everybody busy working fulltime still funded. Eyebrows money. So this organization can go on and they will continue to recruit until. Ultimately, the last one we. How does the money still keep coming if? The Government Is Aware of all the money that they put into the organization and and Clare has been indicted and then she's sentenced to between Sarah. In Clare in down in Mexico, they have the wealthy boone family. They're able to hold an organization that I would say still has a good one hundred numbers. And Allison and Nikki are they still legally married because? Nikki wanted to stay in the United States and I. It's my understanding that Keith coerce them to have this fake same sex union in order to keep her in the US. But it's true. He ordered them to marry. They didn't actually like each other they were jealous of each other. Into Keating for. More of Rainier East attention when. I was unable to stay in the United States in launder based on her. enertainment visa. teeth told else to. Wedge. Her. And they got married and then became a pretty good friends. That is outrageous. They didn't even like each other. So they're having the ceremony on their forced to like kiss each other. And then They somehow became friends out of it. It's like this is the craziest thing I've ever heard my life. You get a lot of crazy stories. Yet to emerge. My Gosh Oh. Wow. Well. Okay. So that's the other part. Will we continue to hear more of these crazy stories? Oh. Yes. We get a lot more to come. And for people who might want to find new stories? I'm frank reports. They'll get stupid dose of news loomed material that have never been published before about this. Crazy. Group that tried for twenty years he'll be talking about Charlie Manson. had. A couple year run. We're nearly was was ten times. The coke grew that Manson was he? He lasted for twenty years and he still hasn't been charged with murder the of the case of Camp K. Fritz who died. Who Snuck out of Saint Peter's Hospital, and maybe I've been still alive and her body was putting the bathtub with ice what? And then she was purportedly removed to cry or Genyk Tomb. Wow. Will we see some of these in the foul? Have you seen all facades or you just watching them as we do? I have not seen anything but what's in aired? and. some of the stuff I there's there's nine episodes that's like less than nine hours. You can't even skim. The. Surface. So I think he has to take pretty good director kind of broad strokes. To keep the. get the audience into. And understanding the story, right? I think a lot of the A lot of the won't see, but you'll get enough to get a pretty good idea. I just I'm so grateful for all the work that you did and forgiving all of these victims of voices because if you had not pushed so hard. Don't know if any of this would have come to light and there have been countless other victims maybe if you could tell people a little bit about what you're continuing to do for other people. Well just as Initially began to help myself out of the next scene problem I had. It was when Catherine Oxygen Berkane came to me with the. Startling fact daughter India. was branded was mislead call. You know kind of took her crisis. And began to write. Or them. Investigating right. similarily, I have people come to me who had. Crisis. Or serious conflicts and they're in trouble. And I try to investigate and Help them get out of there. The problems lot signs coat related a lot of times. It's legal. And it can be a whole number of different crisis that. People have and need some help can sometimes all you need is a. Someone to. Investigate and even write about it. oftentimes when I write about. The adversary suddenly looks like at the situation like I don't want to beat the next key through nearing and wind up in prison. Will that make sense and so if people want to reach out to you, how can they do so? Well, they can go to my website frank report DOT COM. They could email me. At. My name Frank karl-otto at shemale dot com that's also available on the website. Frank report DOT. com. And or they can call me I make my number publicly available. Number is seven, one six. Nine nine zero. Five, seven, four, zero. And IF PEOPLE WANNA watch that that that series it's on investigation discovery is called lost women of Nexium. Promise you. You are going to be just as it mesmerized by it as I am. and. Again that's two episodes. So you can find that and you can check out frank's website and I want you to do so because you can go back and you can dig deeper down this whole and find out more information. Again really well done work frank. I'm excited to see you in upcoming episodes I'm so grateful for your time I really am thank you so much. Osa Pleasure. Thank you. You're a great interviewer. Thank you appreciate that? Jesse. Big My spectacular desk frank PARLATO. Make sure you check out that investigation discovery blockbuster special but lost women of Nexium I promise you. You will have even more to the story. You will just love this love this series. If you have not started watching, it is profoundly interesting and infuriating at the same time I have said on twitter. Every episode I feel like I get a Masters Degree in psychology and cinematography. The directors have done a spectacular job of telling the story through the eyes of these ex members. It is really so well done. 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"Are you hiring with indeed you can post job in minutes set up screener questions than zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started today at indeed dot com slash Nightline. That's indeed dot com slash Nightline. Good evening. And thank you for joining us. We begin here tonight with the new details emerging about a mysterious organization now in the glare of the spotlight. It's leader accused of sex trafficking and other charges going inside the secret of self help group known as Nexium tonight. And what former members are now revealing? Hollywood. Actress Allison Mack. Okay. Three. This was judgment. Once a star on the show smallville that explains a walking magnets, very. I should doctors plaque it on Monday. The thirty six year old pled guilty to two counts of racketeering, one of which included forced labor. He now faces up to forty years in prison, cheap date, and tears. You know, prompting judge car at one point to ask her if she needed to second to compose herself her plea could be turning point in the case against a mysterious self help group called Nexen, many of its leaders were charged with numerous crimes including conspiracy to commit forced labor, sex trafficking and extortion in and she said at one point I thought these were wonderful people. I soon realized that they were not the fact that Allison Mack plead guilty to so few charges, and she was facing so many certainly indicates that she's likely cooperating with prosecutors on the surface Nexium also known as executive success programs described itself as a self help group. It's a program that is designed for people. To identify. What it is they want to do in their lives and how they can do it. The best way possible. Allison Mack was attracted to the goals of the group here. She is appearing in a video testimonial. I had on the surface something that seemed to be like the perfect life are pretty good life. The group's leader. Was this man Keith renewing members referred to him as vanguard to one would say authenticity is being as you are renewing his words, literally moved MAC to tears. I don't know. I wanna cry. It's a beautiful. But why why do you think that's sell motion from goes? I don't know. I think his it seems like it's a. Something that I just I feel like I want it. Authenticity. Sarah Edmonson was a former member of Nexium SNL Allison Mack. Very well. She told my former colleague Elizabeth Vargas that Mack was a favourite of the group's management. She had a huge following and lots of fans, I think that they thought this would be other big fish to catch MAC throw was to recruit women to join dos which was a secret society within an XM. And during her her statement on Monday, initiate minute to recruiting women to this group, and you know, under the guise, it was it was female empowerment, Sarah Edmonson says she fell for that one night in March of two thousand seventeen she says she and four other women were summoned to a house outside of Albany, New York they willingly participated in a strange initiation. Ritual led by a woman who told everyone to take off their clothes and put on a blindfold. Let us in blindfolded and satis in a semicircle Bucknell. No clothes on a sheepskin rug admits in told authorities that she thought they were going to get tattoos. Instead, she says they found out they were all going to be branded what was that? Like, it was worse than childbirth. Imagine a hot laser dragged across your flesh for thirty minutes without anesthetic Edmonson says she was later surprised to find out what the brand stood for Keith initials from one side AM for Allison Mack from dead on. But I didn't see that at the time. This shocking scene is the last place Edmonson expected to end up. She's a wife and mother with a successful film and television career, I know you I don't think so no a terrific gonna face on her life change after she crossed paths with this so-called self-help group and its charismatic leader renewing. I'm an interesting person. I'm a controversial person. But most importantly, I'm Anne. Conventional person. I was told that he was one of the smartest men in the world. And just an incredible man at the heart of Nexium training was something called intensive 's which former members described as group therapy at ran as long as fourteen hours a day and for up to sixteen days Edmonson says she attended her first one in two thousand five the price tag over two thousand dollars. I left my five day, my initial training as if a veil lifted, and I could see things more clearly in my life. According to former members Nexium even had its own lingo, and the sessions came to involve practices such as chanting. A special handshake even bowing. Former members like Mark vicinity say anyone unwilling to go along with the rituals was scorned. If you question case for Neri. Hits the fan. How dare you don't you realize you everything to him? Sarah Edmonson says it went even further. She says Rene retort that women were to be subservient to men and that he practiced what he preached by having what amounts to a harem of women like having a normal boyfriend, except you didn't know what you're going to see him next. And then he go off with another woman. The next day. Edmonson recalls how devoted his followers were so much. So that they traveled from all over the world to celebrate his birthday annual celebration known as vanguard week, wishing vanguard a happy birthday. I love defeat. Wake I loved it. It was like my favorite time of year. I missed my best friend's wedding. And so it makes me emotional if that that's more important to be V week missed her wedding Edmonson was in the group for twelve years rising through the ranks during that time. She says she became close to another Nexium member Lawrence is always meant was even Edmondson's maid of honor. She's like my therapist. And in the ranking system, she's also about me in March of two thousand seventeen after their years together in Nexium Edmonson says Saltzman approached her about a new and mysterious opportunity. Life changing but top secret, but Edmonson claims Saltzman demanded highly compromising collateral I in response, she says she and some others ended up providing nude photos of themselves. I did it because I trusted her only. Then did she gain entry and the first step is making a valve obedience to her as me being a slave in her being my master, again, leave shaved schlaize is the word slave. Did you of course, yet I'm checked at every stage of the way, and she said, it's just a it's a metaphor. It's guru disciple all of this. She says led up to the night when she and four women submitted one by one to being branded the woman on the table screamed out in pain, you know, twisted and turn yelled and. And the woman I was with holding her legs down looked at each other. We just wept. Why did you let go and run out of there? Even naked. It didn't seem like a choice at the time. And can you just stand up in point where the brand is? So it's right here. Right under my underwear land. Edmonson believes that Rene should be held accountable because she says she saw a text come in from him as she held Lawrence salesman's phone, filming Brandon and said, how are they all doing with each other salon knew he knew he knew that we were all being branded in addition to his alleged connection to the branding Rene was also being investigated for extortion wire fraud, and identity theft among other possible crimes and then in March of two thousand eighteen. His empire came tumbling down. When he was busted by the federales in Mexico, his luxury hideout, according to thirties was a ten thousand dollar a week villa in Puerto Vallarta shared with several women this video of the arrest apparently was shot and shared by followers. And then leaked online for nearly was brought back to New York to face federal charges, including sex trafficking. The next month. Allison Mack was arrested too. And just a few months later more arrests followed including that of Lawrence Saltzman. The woman who Sarah Edmonson says recruited her into that secret group Saltzman recently pled guilty to racketeering racketeering conspiracy. If you're Kafer neary, you gotta be nervous about the fact that these other people are pleading guilty, we don't know for certain that they're cooperating, but that would be really bad news for Keith. Rainier renewing is currently behind bars he has pled not guilty to all of the charges against him for areas. Criminal trial is scheduled to start next month. Coming up next here on Nightline, the SNL star taking on a Silicon Valley CEO's rise and very big fall. Are you hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes set up screener questions than zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started today at indeed dot com slash Nightline. That's indeed dot com slash Nightline. We're back now with a billionaire CEO's fall from grace getting the star treatment SNL's Kate McKinnon as theranos failed founder, Elizabeth homes in an upcoming limited series set to make a Hulu debut. Here's my Nightline co anchor juju Chang. From Hillary Clinton to Justin Bieber to former attorney general Jeff Sessions SNL's Kate. Mckinnon has the ability to transform seamlessly. I'm made of steel this is nothing. Hi, girl. But her latest fool a departure from her usual comedic chops to a very real story that has dominated headlines. She dropped out of Stanford at nineteen to create theranos was with holds charge with massive fraud. Elizabeth homes and another former executive await a criminal trial. Mckinnon is slated to star as Elizabeth homes. The embattled Silicon Valley founder of the so-called revolutionary blood testing company theranos jar lives and our world is is the next Steve job once valued at nine billion dollars. We've made it possible to run comprehensive laboratory tests from tiny sample story is set one fold in a Hulu mini series. Based on the hit ABC news podcast the dropout. Chronically homes as meteoric rise and fall from grace homes is currently awaiting trial and facing up two decades in prison for alleged fraud it convicted, but she seems to be unfazed by it all seen here in video captured by inside edition seemingly living it up in San Francisco with her new fiance hotel, air, Billy Evans, and ditching that signature black turtleneck for a white t shirt and baseball cap. The two reportedly partying at burning men this past August, a lot of people think it was heartless that you were partying at burning man when your company was closing in stores, a reference presumably to this Instagram selfie that her fiance posted at the festival homes is story has become a cultural phenomenon chronicle everywhere magazine, cover up to magazine cover up to news article blog posts from a bestselling book bad blood by the Wall Street Journal's John Kerry route two documentaries, including the one on ABC. This was not how a young. Billionaire thought her empire would add her story as complex as it is fascinating black turtlenecks blue eyes, smokey voice. Elizabeth Holmes was a text supernova who said she had an amazing invention making it possible to any leftover from a tiny drop would from finger. Oh my God. This is the rocket ship reported to be the youngest female self made billionaire CEO of her own company. The golden girl of Silicon Valley part of the news time one hundred list just out only problem. It didn't work. This is not fake it to make this thing's product that didn't work dude musicians note that theranos could not do all those tests. She yes, she knew by two thousand seventeen homes once the lavishly praised covergirl found herself under the harsh glare of a very different kind of spotlight as as ranger right hand forced to answer to the securities and Exchange Commission as she was investigated for an alleged elaborate years, long fraud, t swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing, but the truth do suddenly the woman who had always seem to have all the answers. We're the only lead company that is actually really focused on leading with transparency. Now had none. I don't know specifically. I'm not sure I I don't know exactly claiming ignorance more than six hundred and sixty won't be speculating. I just don't know Elizabeth homes once valued at four point. Five billion dollars. Now worth virtually nothing. Was able to put imagine spill on people was a big who is voice. She would've been the next job. She's settled with the SEC with no admission of wrongdoing, but she now faces criminal charges from the department of Justice. She has pleaded not guilty to all charges. As homes awaits a criminal trial, this fascination with this saga will live on in the upcoming portrayal. By MacKinnon the limited series will be produced by FOX searchlight, which is owned by our parent company. Disney. The actor joins a pantheon of popular comedians who have transitioned from icon ick humorous roles too. Dramatic star turns in recent years. She's baggage like Melissa McCarthy going from bridesmaids and need you to get ten thousand dollars. I'm months behind in my rent to her Oscar-nominated role in last year's can you ever? Forgive me. And Steve Carell Morphing from forty year old virgin to you can come home. No. That wouldn't get worse. Lease between the two of us who do you trust to be your president, the Republican or Donald Trump? Mckinnon a proven master of impersonation should have no trouble making the move. I am so incredibly humbled and mailing that infamous baritone. Finally here tonight, Los Angeles, remembering the rapper, nipsy hustle. Lung vs sins. I was booed. Woman sensitive. In that. Deal with Stevie Wonder performing rocket love today. At funeral services said to be one of nipsy, hustles favorites hustle beloved, not only for his Grammy nominated sound, but also for his activism and entrepreneurship shot to death on the last day of March. Today's massive funeral procession travelling past the singers marathon, clothing store, the scene of that crime. Former President Obama praising the singer in writing for his quote legacy worthy of celebration. Must be strong. We wanna thank you for watching nightline's night and good night. I thank you crazy than they fight you. 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When you use code reality life ten at checkout is free delivery on select items, forty five dollars or more online only on homedepot dot com or homedepot dot com slash decor. Welcome back to another episode of Reality With Casey I hope that you've had a great week and that you have check out this new nine part series on Hbo called the vow it is about the self improvement group called Nexium. And it is fantastic. Nexium is this odd cold that I've been reading about for years. In fact, when my youngest was born, I would spend hours at night late into the night when I was feeding her perusing this incredible blog called the frank report because it had all of these insider accounts of what was going on within the organization. So I got little sleep not just because of my newborn but because I became so enthralled by how this self-improvement Group headquartered in all beat Albany New York of all places had grown. And not only grown, but to have so many female members that became so enamored by this very creepy man who was running the organization and had committed all these crimes as a result of their devotion to him. So, the vow again is the documentary series. It's follows a number of people that are deeply involved in this self-improvement group called nexium over the course of several years. So this series takes a very deep nuanced look at this organization, which was faced has face been faced with various charges including sex trafficking and racketeering conspiracy against the highest members and most notably the founder Keith. Ranieri? Who was convicted in June of two, thousand, nine hundred, and is currently awaiting sentencing several other women who were high ranking executives are also facing sentencing and it is a. Transfixed seeing series about what happens when someone gets too much power and the people that are brainwashed under them. So amidst the claims by nexium participants of both profound transformation and devastating abuse, this is a series that seeks to reveal the issues behind the headlines explore the emotional toll of the unfolding events of these individuals. It started off with a bang where it really kind of gives you a window into how so many people educated people people with degrees in places like Harvard. Began taking courses and the courses began with a five day would be fifty, seven hundred dollars in would sign up for five days of courses from. Eight o'clock in the morning till six o'clock at night with almost no breaks. Intensive and putting you in a position where you're revealing very personal information to someone a stranger with the notion that they will help you break through these mental barriers. But what they are in fact doing is gathering information on you and. Bill basically pounding you down until you are left to believe that they are the only people that can build you back up. So it opens with footage of Keith Rainier, the leader in this professionally shot video talking about this executive success program, which is a methodology which. Quote Unquote. People to optimize their experience and behavior he uses these. Oh, he uses big words to describe things that are quite simple but in such a way that people seem to skim over the fact that he's got this greasy Jesus looking hair and he's quite short, he's probably lied about all the details of his life because he is got the keys to their journey to success that they've that he can unlock the door to opportunity that they have been holding themselves for moving forward their whole life, and he's the only person that has the answers. He lied to all of his parishioners and many many members of the media to his financial backers. He said that he had earned multiple degrees from a very, very, well known school in the East. amongst those degrees were like computer science CETERA IT turns out the guy dropped out of school. He told people that he was a childhood champ. Jujitsu Jitsu doesn't pan out at all that he was a classical trained pianist not a fact. That he can sit he was considered one of the smartest men in the world that Guinness Book of World Records had had written that he had one of the highest IQ's I mean it was all bullshit. So because these were the days before Google when he really started this business which came out of a pyramid scheme that he had created you could fudge details like this and because of it. The people who the kind of the founding group of members they passed on these falsehoods as troops and people believed it again and again and again. So, as we go through, the episodes were learning about some of the people that were high ranking and how they became involved with the organization and this couple who are married talk about how they had inner struggles within their marriage because she began to see that the women who were involved in this organization, we're getting unbearably thin. And seemed to be so completely devoted to this creek bag and wanting to leave and the husband who had been very high in the organization in fact, Co running the Vancouver wing of. Organization. And he had pause like I. Don't know if I want to leave I, really believed the mission He this man was a sociopathic convinced all those people that he had their best interest in mind. So they're all these offshoots of the group and they're all doing crazy things like this one group I think it's the Rainbow Rainbow something. They tell have told people they told people that if they enlisted their children indoor. Admitted their children into this program, they could learn up to six languages but they really what they really did was they were taking these young girls who were from other countries brought them into the country had them workers like quasi nannies to try to teach these children to learn languages but? You can't teach children to learn six languages at one time. And those women were used to do basically slave work for the other women in the organization that this organised within the organizations confines, there was a group called Dos, which is a Latin acronym allegedly meaning Lord Master of the Obedient Female Companions and at the heart of this is Keith Ranieri the guy that's the creep bag at the top. And the Secret Group of women were bound to submission under near by high stakes, collateral blackmail basically. So the D. to their home or a letter where they have all these lies about a family member salting them. Also forced branding. They were taken into a room in like in the middle of the night disrobed, they put a blindfold on them. They had to take a vow and they were held down table and then a doctor who was also a member of the organization when use a cauterize in pen and carve out initials onto their flesh. They were required to basically starve themselves. They were on like a five hundred Calorie Diet. and. They had to stay up all nights of the hour to be awake to receive a text from their master, and if they didn't respond to the master within a certain amount of minutes than they were penalized, and the that penalization could be doing aggressive physical exercise or cutting even more calories down or hitting yourself, and so the whole system was set up that they were would be doing work for Keith and they also were required to sleep with them. So, one of the members came forward in New York Times article she showed a picture on the New York Times I believe it was on the cover showing the branding, and because of that story, it began to break open. and. This is a series that covers a lot of what what transpired after that New York Times article and the inner workings of the organizations, and this again was all group of people that were were really devoted to radical self improvement. So I am telling you. This is so weird to watch because you just can't believe that. So many people were involved in this and to think that this guy by the way, he's just a grease bag. He looks like five three, he grew on his hair to make them. Clearly, he is totally transfixed by women they seem to be transfixed by him. He has the parish nurse go to like a a gym every night at eleven pm to play volleyball anywheres, volleyball pads like he's some sort of Olympic volleyball player it's embarrassing. and. You're just going to be shaking your head like you've got to be kidding me but just rest assured that this guy is in jail now and will be there for the rest of his life. So I was able to get a very lucky to get an interview with Rick Ross? He is one of the country's probably the country's most preeminent cult expert. And I was able to ask him about his experience with next him because he was in litigation with them for like twelve years. And what the markers of Nexium Program are and who is culpable, and if the organization is still working and I asked Sarah Heron who is a senior writer at US weekly to help me kind of review the vow for you. And then also as an added bonus I asked Jonathan Mark to talk about some of the most famous unsolved celebrity deaths. So it's just like a great episode I hope that you enjoy this over like a nice glass of wine or a cup of coffee or long walk. And here we go. Rick Allen Ross is the executive director of the Cold Education Institute ce I, and is the author of the Book Colts inside out how people get in and can get out. He's a e programmer and a cult specialist is work throughout the US and internationally and lectures at more than thirty universities and colleges in the US China and Thailand. He is not only written and spoken extensively on Nexium, but was also subjected to a fourteen year legal battle with nexium than ended in two thousand seventeen he is a prolific writer and speaker I'm thrilled to tell you that he's with me today. Welcome to the show. Nice to be with you kate. So a little bit about when you first learned about nexium. I was hired by a family, in new, Jersey to do an intervention to get a their son and two daughters out of Nexia I, successfully exited the two daughters, but the sun stayed in. And that was around what? Two, thousand, one, two, thousand, two, and one of the daughters gave me the study notes to Nexium. Anti then gave them to to. Forensic psychiatrist and clinical psychologist. They evaluated the study material and concluded that it was a coercive persuasion and that it was cult like and they wrote each of them a paper well, actually three to by the clinical psychologist one by the psychiatrist which I published at Cult Education Dot Com and anyone interested can read them there. And then teeth rene decided to sue me he wanted to get an offline and so he sued me on claiming intellectual property rights. Doctors could not quote his study material in the purpose of crew critique and that lawsuit as you just said, drag on for fourteen years crazy but true well, he was known to be quite Lati- just, and then of course, they had the money of the Bronfman sisters. So that helps them. With all of these, the multitude of lawsuits, what was it about next and what were the most alarming aspects of the program to? You. Well, they would just run people into the ground. They had these intensive that would go on for days. People went in sleep enough they went enough. They were surrounded by adherents who nexium and they were. They were being subjected to this kind of Cathartic process of indoctrination where they bared their souls they confess their deepest secrets They cried, they broke them down a one woman was so broken down in an intensive that took place. In Alaska that she walked out and killed herself. And there. There was another woman who became psychotic had a psychotic break ran into the streets of Albany stripped or clothes often ended up in a mental hospital. Many of these people I would talk to after they were they were subjected to the training and they left. And they would call me they would talk to me It was really pretty brutal how the training would escalate to what for many was a breaking point. What were some of the markers? What were some of the markers of the next Sam six ESP education the the? What made them different than other similar programs? While, they weren't that different. In fact, he threw Neri was basically a copy. A copy of Ironically, he sued me for intellectual property violation, but he himself violated the intellectual properties of scientology on rand, a landmark education and neuro linguistic programming. So basically, it was a hodgepodge he he would put together things that he copied from other groups like for example, scientology will say if you are resistant to them or critical of them, you might be categorized as. As a suppressive person or in sp a key keith used that exact terminology suppressive person sap in his study notes and when I saw them I immediately immediately knew he ripped off of scientology. He would also talk about disintegration 's which was his way of describing the negative reactive mine and trauma in the mind which scientology would call n grams and then he was all about. Really Objectivism, which is the philosophy of Ayn, rand? Atlas shrugged and Fountainhead, and he would talk about you know the right of the individual to create and so on. And a rather randy in view of the world, and then the structure of the seminars he copied from landmark education, which was created by Werner Erhard previously called Erhard seminars training or the forum, and so the multiday scheduling of the intensive over a long weekend or some of them extended even fourteen days but it was all patterned after the kind of cave them in change them and lock them locked them into a new mindset. Process that Werner Erhard pioneered in the seventies, and then also this idea of the scarfs and the in the levels that seemed to be a rip off of several other programs. Well, yeah. That's a rip off of the Martial Arts community You know you're you have a karate a sash or you know something from martial arts that denotes where you're at. Are you a green belt? Are you a black belt? What else are you and Renee? Incorporated that but it also came from his days with Amway as a multilevel marketing distributor. He created a company called consumer byline that eventually was sued out of existence by Attorney General's from various states that said it was a pyramid game and so rene reincorporated multilevel marketing to be the way he structured appear amid or hierarchy of authority within nexium. And by the way he he became more than that because he took on this persona of vanguard that was what they called him Van Gogh. As. If he was the van of a new awareness in the world and they would actually celebrate his birthday during vanguard, week in upstate New York and he would gather people to live near him in the Albany New York area and the Bronfman Sisters. Clare Bronfman Sara Bronfman setup homes in the Albany area or mansions. So they could be near their. They're great. One Keith Ranieri Vanguard. So there were. Maybe one, hundred, hundred and fifty people or more that at one time lived in Albany enthralled and under the control of Keith Ranieri where you surprise some of the lies that he told about his history that he was this judo master that this absurd lie about how he was one of the smartest men that have ever lived is that surprising to you that that those lies continued for so long without some money. Actually providing the receipts that none of it was in fact. True. Well No. Because I've dealt with a cult leader since the nineteen eighties and and they're they're relentlessly narcissistic either driven individuals often described as sociopaths or even psychopaths You know think of Charles Manson thank of the Jim. Jones David. Koresh just to name three. So Keith Ranieri was like them. He had a grandiose narcissistic delusional view of himself and was he really that smart? Well, you know I'll leave it to you ease in federal holding. Now in jail he's facing life imprisonment at one time he controlled hundreds of millions of dollars but like many cult leaders in the past, he never knew when to. To, stop, he had to keep escalating his control his dominance and he had this thing about women about having power and control over women, and in my view he was very misogynistic very. Contemptuous of women and he he wanted to humiliate women and ultimately he branded them. He had them branded with a cod rising iron with his initials on their pelvis I mean how sick is that? You know? So no matter how much rene got no matter how much power he got no matter how much money he got it had to be more more more, and unfortunately he had these two Seagram's liquor heiresses the Bronfman sisters who each had hundreds of millions of dollars given to them by their families. By their family and So he had virtually limitless funds. He spent five million dollars suing me alone, and then there were many many other people that he sued and spent Bronfman money harassing. So my question as we go into further episodes at this, how after being involved with this lawsuit? Having contact with so many people that were associated with this group. How complicit do you believe were those that were in executive positions? Oh. I think there were totally complicit I think Nancy. Saltzman. certainly was very aware of what was going on she. She was a nurse. She studied hypnotism neuro linguistic programming LP, which is a form of manipulation, and she was totally cognizant of what she was doing and how she was aiding and abetting Keith. Ranieri a Lauren Saltzman her daughter who came in at a young age because of her mother I think was more of a victim than than a perpetrator but she did things that were criminal and so did allison mack the actress who was in Smallville who was at one time a great success and by all accounts that I've heard about her in in Los Angeles a very nice person good person to work with and she had a wonderful career and it was all destroyed by Keith Ranieri through his control of her life. And then of course. There was Clare Bronfman who was basically the bank she made it. All possible. If Eh, anytime Clare Bronfman her sister. Sarah. At walked away and said, you're not gonNA get another penny from us. The whole thing would have crashed. So they were his total enablers and Clare Bronfman. is of course facing. Prison, time herself and she's had a terrible difficulty. It seems in acknowledging what went wrong and how she was part of it and what kind of a human being Keith really really was in my opinion, he fits the profile of a psychopath but according to Clare Bronfman as recently as just this past month she praises him and still thinks he did her good even though he hurts so many people in and he was convicted of sex trafficking. Of terrible things, the wanton abuse and physical torture of women and yet Clare Bronfman. Still kind of has an attitude of well, it was good for me too bad. It wasn't good for the other women that he traumatized for the rest of their lives Is there any reason to believe that next team is still operating and in? Mexico specifically. Well the as you may know Emiliano, Salinas. The son of the former president of Mexico Carlos Salinas was a follower of Keith rain area, and there were many many prominent wealthy Mexican people from Santa Cruz from Guadalajara from Mexico City, that would come to the United States to do these intensive and gave Keith Ranieri, a lot of money and I have heard. Over and over again about how they persist in Mexico, even though they're largely disbanded in the US though there's a residue of these acolytes of remarries that they just can't let go. You know you have to realize they spent decades of their life totally committed to him, sacrificing their their financial, wellbeing, their their relationships of the often were estranged from families the Bronfman. Sisters were estranged from their Father Edgar Bronfman senior for quite some time and I would receive complaints from family after family about what they went through and how difficult it was. But when you're when you're invested in your all in in a group like the like this, it's difficult to acknowledge that it was all for naught and the leader was a phony fraud who who actually May. Not that good of a grade point average at rensselaer where he got a bachelors degree on. On a on a prolonged steady plans, shall we say so he was not the brilliant man that he said he was but what he was brilliant was drilling down and identifying people's vulnerabilities, manipulating them, and a lot of these people have had a hard time getting over it. In fact, there's a small group that actually meets in dances outside of the jail arena areas, elden Brooklyn in an effort to make him happy and to show him that they're thinking of him and the prosecutors have. Taped remarries, phone conversations from jail in which he he made himself look really bad previous sentencing and how smart is that someone who so stupid that they don't realize that they're being taped on jailhouse phone conversation I mean Rene. In my mind and I've met him and spent hours with them in court ordered mediation and in court proceedings. In my mind, he's not a very smart guy other than at conning people in manipulating them but in as far sustaining the group and not getting caught, he ended up being his own worst enemy. To, reason believe that Allison Mack has realized the error ways or is she still fully programmed? I think from what I'm hearing Allison Mack has has had a a wake-up. Okay. A process certainly, India oxen, Berg I work with her mother Catherine Oxen extensively marked Percentveay who I talked with at great length after he left Nexium a Sarah Edmonson who I met and spoke have spoken with other they all have gone through a process of reawakening their critical thinking and examining what happened to them and coming to a deeper understanding about their vulnerabilities and the vulnerability of all of us in in being subjected to manipulation of someone like remarry. I mean the sad thing is we're all vulnerable and the fragility of the human mind is something that we've really find great difficulty in getting our heads around but you know what? people are getting conned every day and there are thousands and thousands of these cult groups in the United States alone, and so we need to be aware that we can be vulnerable we can be conned. And I think most of Keith Ranieri's victims have come to that awareness. with I. Thank you enough for your time. Do you know what episode we will see you in? Davao. I don't I know it's in the first seven I start coming in. in conversations with mark and and with Catherine and. I know that I talked to people have. Seen the entire package of of series and I do appear of later in getting towards the time of his arrest and prosecution. Terrific will we can read your book cults inside out how people get in and can get out and find out more about you at your website that Colt Education Institute. Where else can they find more information about you and what you're working on? Well you can follow me on twitter rick. Allen Ross There's also facebook page for the Cult Education Institute where you can also follow There's a youtube channel where you can see more educational information via video, and there's also a message board attached to the cult education institute where anyone join for free and talk about their experiences or concerns related to. Him. Authoritarian groups. Terrific. 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Online only you can find exactly what you're looking for and more at homedepot dot com slash decor, and remember to use my code reality life ten for ten percent off. Sarah. How familiar were you with nexium before the vowel? Okay Dow I knew. Just enough about necessarily because I've been at us for almost three years and win the legal stuff happened I was at Austin we've been covering a little bit because of the House in math which I'm sure we'll get into. All the celebrity ties, but the colts I mean I will always have my hardest scientology and I spend most of my time trying to figure out how that's still. But nexium and VAL has been I've learned so much into the first you episode. So when the open up and they're showing the methodology were talking about the methodology and their excess executive success program there, they talk about how people can optimize their experience and behavior the he uses a word salad like a lot of optimization. self-criticism. Terms. Limited beliefs. Did you feel as confused as I was about the things that he was espousing wild smiley people sat across the table from him and acted like they had some idea what he was talking about. a hundred percent I actually took me until the second of those even understand what the court was trying to accomplish. Always, scientology we know we're clearing planet here I guess it's all about inner self help but when it came up to be talking about the fashion of mathematics or reaching ultimate wasteland but I would just laugh in their face like I can't. So when people enter this organization, they are told that vanguard Keith, Rainier, the leader, the one I mentioned looks like Jesus Christ that he is amongst the smartest men of the world that he was a Jew jitsu champion as a child classical pianist that he had multiple degrees from very, very, well known school in New York. Would that be a red flag she that someone had accomplished that much and still look like someone had not ever taken bath or would you find that compelling? You are so right with do you have the greasy haired and thinking that back his thing? It makes him so cool and hip I mean there's no way. I can never take this man here. I guess I would be intrigued by but the second you try to kiss me on the list or whatever they used to do I would be out. So that's the interesting thing too is that they all seem to have let go of personal boundaries. He insisted that they all kiss on the lips he seemed to be setting the tone for the group that you're sexual boundaries will will change that what I ask of you you have to accept as the new norm and that may include having you subside on a five hundred calorie diet rich and raisins and squash if you had to be part of a group that had to kiss your coworkers or your. Classmates and kissed them on the lips would that be an an over and out for you? Ben If I'd made it that far I mean the Diet would often out for me and saying that women are like being zombies potentially a good thing. I mean everything that I was saying it didn't even farm smart like a Lotta. Big Words can choke you but nothing this guy he didn't even have any weight to it like it just sounded like nonsense from the beginning agreed. So with the real kicker is as you get into episodes, is that there was this group called Dos, which is a Latin acronym allegedly meaning Lord Master of the obedient female companions at the heart of the operation. So the secret group were bound to submission under his high stakes collateral, which was blackmail forest branding starvation diets and enforce sex. So you had to fork over collateral, which could be the your house. It could be a a letter explaining that you were sexually assaulted by someone that never did it in in order for you to be dissuaded from leaving the group. And, of course, you had to be on alert throughout the night if your master text you and asked you to respond to them, you had a short period of time to respond, and if you did not that, you would be penalized with a form of pushups starvation or running laps around the neighborhood At the end of this you are brought to someone's weird department you are asked to robe you are brought to a table you were held down by others you may or may not be sexually assaulted by somebody, and then a cauterize iron is used to inscribed into your pelvis, the initials of what seems to be Keith and Allison mack forever into your skin. This is so barbaric and nuts, and yet all these women signed up for it because the the women that were sort of the cohort leaders. Encourage them by saying. Sacrifices an important part of self-improvement at what part in the process would you go on out? I mean listen I have a very small tattoo that I regret and it took four minutes and I acted like someone was stabbing me go rhino version. So if the branding like there's no way in hell, they would even get close enough to my skin like I would just it's insane. Would I want both I mean I wouldn't want anyone's initials brandon but keep and allison is so weird like it's like they're a couple and album after all really fascinates me because she had success on small bill and she was all those tweets that they found. If people are trying to recruit people after all this came out and we're trying to get like I think she'll tell you that like Kelly Clarkson trying to recruit celebrities casually on twitter and she really fascinates me and there's something about her that it makes me that front of our house will be scared of her. We can't really figure out like how culpable is because she does. Look at him. It's some of these videos, these promotional videos with the adoration of somebody who would go to like a one direction concert at the age of eleven. So you're really like uncertain of like why she so devoted to him, she told him that she wanted to have his baby and apparently he let her on for years. So all of the women signed these contracts saying they would not sleep with anybody else but only to him and they were all at the ripe ovulation age. So some of them have left and have realized that there clock is now over and that he would never have let them be the father of their child. So the problem is that one woman actually got pregnant by him and she refused to get the abortion that he had pushed for each of the others that had possibly gotten pregnant. To this day, no one knows the name of that child which I think is very, very odd. What do you think child's name is if you could guess it. Well, that is the question me like wasteland over. I don't know something along like some random letters put together like nexium sounds like a drug. Maybe that's a good point I was thinking it would be something having to do with volleyball. In the beginning episodes we hear the stories of former I don't know what you would call them parishioners mark the Santa and his wife Bonnie Bonnie was a singer mark was the filmmaker they had quite a bit of problems within their marriage because Bonnie I was the left the group I and mark took a longer time to leave. He was told by Nancy Salzman the prefect second in command she was told she told Mark Your interesting because you're keats only male friend. I mean clearly marked with craving some sort of companionship that he wasn't getting from body, which was really sad because they seem like a normal couple and it is just so weird to hear him on the phone with her because she would be like this is not good. We gotta get out and he would be like I. Don't know if I see it that way they felt like a brainwash thing. Okay. Last question. De Group used Allison Mack, and several other actors who had apparently all appeared in ballot battle. Stark ELECTA. To lure. In. New. Potential. Per Schnurr's like look, we have all these fantastic actresses I noticed. At the at the alert of someone else on Instagram that one of the women standing in line to meet him at a volleyball practice was none other than Linda Evans from. What celebrity current celebrity do you think would have been better face for nexium if they had been on posters and had been doing promotional videos on twitter and instagram would've probably led to many more people joining nexium. Wow. That's a good question for of all I just have to say up for me the shock was great park who plays Katherine in a million little things. But she I had no idea she was in it and so weird to see who gets I mean obviously also knocked was like the big the Okra she was still involved in like leader of it but I had no idea that he was into coal and now it's like a much more famous now than she was then but I that with brushed under the rug first of all so that off me and Oh, my God, who would be good who someone who's like so loved. That people would believe this be. That's to turn. That's what I think. Kept them up at night there like we gotta get someone from the Disney channel. I think they probably are looking. We're looking at the list of people that appeared on dancing with the stars because I think the same people that cast for dancing with the stars for the same people to look for people to join their Colt they're like this is who America this is the heartbeat of America. Throw in somebody who is on a reality show perhaps like a housewives Chris Shell from selling sunset. That would be a great fine I could fall. She would be great for a cold right now. Don't you think? One hundred percent or even like visit were hot hake but there's a colt of people who are not to call it. The group of people who are. So if that was bravo or fire and stuffy Schroeder that she. I think people would follow her and she's got that like Sassy whatever and they would think it's all funny and singled probably did stop the money until they're being branded with cauterize in pen on some bed. But not in Albany like they would have to move headquarters to someplace a little bit like a better temperature. I'm GONNA say Arizona because there's like more time outside especially if you want to but you got mixed up, it can't be volleyball it's gotTa be another sport like like Putt Putt Golf that has to be like the sport. Good called EPA much easier to be universally even at ball. Kind of like that gives me Jim Jim Flash I love that for my for my group, it's supposed to be lifting me up and not tearing me down agreed. Okay. So if people WANNA follow you, how can they do so? Okay well, I am at Serhan. Arlen on instagram twitter. The whole thing is a bachelor presenting Thera Heron. It's not me and she'll only be marketing misdemeanor, which is you know my cross to bear okay. Well, I can't love you enough and thank you for all your love and attention to all these reality docu series and documentaries that we love so much. Any time it's an honor. Jonathan Mark you are back with me. You are a psychic medium. You are dear friend and I am dying to ask you about these worlds. Greatest mysteries everybody loves to hear you channel people that have passed and these are things that have been boggling people's minds for a longtime ready. I'm so ready. Okay. I one. JFK. So the assassination of John Kennedy was on November twenty second nineteen sixty three. And the subsequent of prime suspect Lee Harvey. Oswald by nightclub owner, Jack Ruby have spurred numerous conspiracy theories. These include alleged involvement of the CIA the Mafia Vice President Lyndon Johnson Cuban Minister Prime Minister. Fidel. Castro the KGB or some combination of these entities of course the original FBI investigation and Warren Commission report as well as an alleged benign CIA cover up have led to the claim that the federal government deliberately covered up crucial information in the aftermath of the assassination. Who Do you think assassinated John F Kennedy Right, let's see. What I see Just, they actually are showing me. Which I obviously I hope I'm wrong but. The. Government it really seems like the government was a pretty big involvement but not only that they keep putting on is like the weirdest thing to say but. Looks like honestly. Kind of outside sources, I gang related like Lafayette and all that stuff. Were also connected. Jack Ruby kills Lee Harvey Oswald. Right afterwards. Was Jack Ruby hired by the CIA and the mafia to do that to keep Lee Harvey. Oswald quiet. Yeah it kind of seems they're all kind of intertwined with each other. So it all caused it. All kind of seems like. The government helped out, let's say it's the mafia or whatever, and they worked together heavily to kind of put this terrorist and kind of eliminate all key witnesses from what I see because it does seem like it's involved with the government like the government was very aware about what was happening, what was going on and Kinda helped the next steps of things. So will there be at any point where the truth is ever revealed or is this like too far in the past in too many people covered stuff up over time. I think it's GonNa be revealed. I definitely think it's going to be revealed I. Think it's going to be more done like I'm using this as an example like someone go on social media and showing that can be done in a very unconventional way but it's GonNa happen where it's it is gonNA. Happen it's definitely going to happen but not in a very conventional political type away. Okay. The second one Princess Diana in the early hours of August thirty first. Nineteen Ninety seven Princess Diana of Wales died in hospital after being injured in a motor vehicle accident in a road tunnel in Paris, her partner Dodie Fad, and the driver of the Mercedes Benz Hungry Paul were pronounced dead at the scene and their bodyguard Trevor Rees Jones survived with some serious injuries. Some media claimed the erratic behavior of `Paparazzi following the car as reported by the BBC had contributed to the crash in nineteen ninety nine if French investigation found that Paul. So that was the driver had lost control of the vehicle at high speed while intoxicated and under the effects of prescription drugs was solely responsible for the crash. He was the deputy head of security at the Hotel Ritz and had earlier goaded pop paparazzi waiting for Diana and Dodi. Fayed, outside the hotel. So who was responsible for the accident? It. My my honest from what I see, it seems the driver. The driver was drunk on medication and he's the reason for it. Also seems to like I know with like the Paparazzi and stuff even now today. By like people would be surprised of people who tipped them off whether it's a close friend or whatever, and it seems liked Paparazzi. In some type of way was tipped off about what car they were golden and. They're leaving and stuff. But it really has to do with the driver in a very big way not just because, yes the drugs and drinking like that's obviously a huge part of it but it also seems like money was involved with Paparazzi and stuff and like their whereabouts when they're leaving all that who is paying the or tipping off was doty Fiat. Or was it the driver or was it some other third party person maybe somebody affiliated with the hotel? It seems like someone who's affiliated with the hotel it doesn't seem like it's those people. And in the aftermath of her death, it costs caused an unprecedented outpouring of public grief in the UK and worldwide her funeral was watched by an estimated two point, five, billion people. The Royal Family was criticized in the press for the reaction to Princess Diana's death. What was your feeling or what what are you getting from I don't know if you can tap even into her but. How the reaction to her death and her her legacy. Why can't tell you the straight up from what I see come tapping in I'm kind of tapping in unfortunately to like one of the drivers and stuff. And she's there. She's very reserved. Very quiet about this, but I could definitely tell you like her reaction from her death is. Obviously shocked right. That was the last thing she thought I was going to be the cause of her death was. kind of due to Paparazzi but she is kind of over one. She's kind of. How her death created a huge shift within the Royal Fam like family and how things like transpired in in the UK. Like she didn't know that she was beloved I see. A sense is she what her feelings now about the way that her sons are always in world. Capturing the attention of the world, their relationship, their wives is she happy with it or wishing that she a private more private life? Will. That's about to say she seems like someone who's more private with things and she seems like someone who would prefer personal situations and stuff to be way more private this is a weird one but William Shakespeare. So the authorship question that's full of the English, Bard who wrote such renown plays as the merchant of Venice Julius Caesar and a midsummer night's dream continues to haunt scholars with many trying to figure out how a glover son from the countryside entered the literary world popular conspiracy theories. Suggest he was a ghostwriter or at the actual actually Francis Bacon Essayist. Edward declare the seventeenth earl of Oxford even Christopher Marlowe another playwright from the same era, it could've been a woman. Who is who was William? Shakespeare. Looks like a woman. Really Pretty dominant like creative. Amazing. Female was she part of the aristocracy was she sounds like she had to have been educated was she somebody who had she? Actually. Yes. So like this is what I see she someone who's educated I'm assuming had access as well. It just seems like they wanted a man to be the person to create all the stuff like they wanted a man's name. Oh my gosh she pissed off that she didn't get any recognition. To be honest, it doesn't really seem like that. Wow. Seems like it seems like that's all that she knew you know what? I mean. Like, it was something that like was engraved in her. And stuff is there younger? Is there a name that comes to you? I can't pronounce it but it has a cook in in like a CR. K like the cuss sound in it. That's that's that's that's like heavily involved in all that creation of the Willing Shakespeare stuff. Okay. All right. This is the last one. Marilyn. Monroe. died of overdose late in the evening on Saturday August fourth nineteen, sixty, two at her Halina drive home in La. Her body was discovered before dawn on Sunday August fifth. So the following morning, she was a major sex symbol on one of the most popular Hollywood stars during the fifties and sixties and she was top billed actress for a decade and her films gross two, hundred, million dollars by the time of her death. Now she had suffered from mental illness and substance abuse for several years prior to her death and had not completed to film since the misfits which was released in nineteen sixty one. Spent nine hundred sixty one preoccupied with their various health problems and in April of nine hundred, sixty two had begun filming. Something's gotTa. Give a Twentieth Century Fox but the studio fired her in early June. She spent the last day of her life. August, fourth at her home in Brentwood she was accompanied by various times by Publicists Patricia nukem Housekeeper Eunice Murray photographer Lawrence Schiller and the psychiatrist Ralph recent. At his request Murray stayed overnight to keep Monroe Company. But approximately three am on Sunday August fifth she noticed that Monroe had locked herself in her bedroom and appeared unresponsive when she looked into the bedroom through a window. So here's my question. was there foul play involved in the death of Marilyn Monroe? Yes and no like definitely yes. No and I'll tell you why from what I see because I've tapped into her before like people made me do this. It's yes. No in the sense of that. She had problems doing addictiveness in her, but not only that besides the substance abuse, the mental illness. She was easily manipulated. And it doesn't seem like they tried to help her get cleaned. So that's why I'm saying it's yes and no foul play. It doesn't seem like their intent was to do that but it doesn't seem like they were stopping her from doing what she was doing. So they knew what was going on. I, see that they were very much aware that she what she was doing there was drinking doing drugs who excessive amount they. Knew going on they wanted to keep a quote unquote I on her but they didn't like they didn't stop it. They didn't tell learn to stop. Date they figured if it was under a and they're watching her under supervision what's the harm type of thing? So that's what I'm saying yes to. No. So is it the people that are listed? As far with her in in the how home that day that were culpable or was there somebody that kind of showed up in the night and may have spoken to her or done something is it is the is the responsibility for this amongst the list of people that I listed. The House seamer, the psychiatrist, the publicist is one of them or was it some other person? Seems I. It's The people that were there Interesting. Wow, and you think about it they probably took so much joy from all the attention they got after her death. In the think of their. Response Yeah Wow it's the people that were there the APPS that people there Of all the celebrities that people ask you to tap into who is the person that you find most people are eager to tap into. She's definitely one of them by she's for shore like top like five like without question I get like Michael Jackson a lot. Now like recently Paul Walker. I didn't getting like it's like all varies a lot of people like like old athletes like Bruce. Like just like like. It it really depends on the person but a lot of people to be honest to our goal after studio heads that pass away. Why the? Part of the problem of the metoo stuff. Interesting. Wow. interesting, and are you finding that the information that you're getting shocking or it's kind of expected because clearly you know eight years ago movie studios were covering up quite a bit of transgression. do you ever come across a reading your shocked by what you hear? Yes and it has to do with typically with the people that are involved with the person that passed away their family member was part of this. You know studio or whatever, and then you start getting to the nitty gritty type of details because they can validate that for you and stuff versus people that can and they're speculating over like news what they read it does become shocking to some extent. Yeah. Because then it's like I, don't want to believe what I'm seeing type of thing I know I just thought of one last thing. I. Want to ask you a have you ever. Have you ever seen the movie poltergeist. God's sovereign poltergeist is this crazy movie it was directed by Steven. Spielberg Heather O'Rourke was the actress in it and she was up to tell you how old she was when she died. She was this little girl blonde haired. I can show you the picture. She was only twelve when she died. So she acts in this movie called Poltergeist, which was a movie about ghosts in the House. And she passed away I'll tell you about her duck. Okay. So she died she began exhibiting flu like symptoms and the following morning she collapsed in her home and was rushed to the Community Hospital in El Cajon. And wrote she suffered cardiac arrest but paramedics were were able to restart her heart at nine twenty five subsequently flown to the Children's Hospital San Diego where it was discovered she had intestinal stenosis and went into emergency surgery. She survived the surgery but then had another cardiac arrest. And then she eventually was pronounced dead. I'm going to show you her picture. I want you to tell me if this was really. It a health issue can you see that picture? 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Keith Raniere: The End of A Cult Leader

Behind the Bastards

57:34 min | 1 year ago

Keith Raniere: The End of A Cult Leader

"My Name is Danny Shapiro and I'm the host family secrets a podcast about the secrets kept from US secrets. We keep from others and the secrets we keep from ourselves CBS. Family secrets is show where you can hear powerful stories of heartbreak healing and hope listen to season two family secrets on apple podcasts the iheartradio APP or wherever you get your podcasts branding my sex slaves boy. That's a bad intro. Oh Oh my gosh he's not here. This gives off the rails so hard. I remembered most behind the bastards. We're talking about all the worst people in all of history my guest today on a Salinas on how are are you doing today. I'm doing great. I'm so excited to be here on a you are of course the the author slash artiste behind bad comics. Vianna anything else you WANNA plug up at the top. God yeah you know if you're in. La Come Out TV I I perform on teams and check him out. Well you see be about a year ago today. We we talk not today but about a year ago we talked about how how it's a little bit colty and we talked about in the context of a guy who is definitely a cult leader named. Keith motherfucking rainier dead they interesting because an article came out about UC be like two days ago that really hinted at its colty and we are checking checking in about a real cult yeah and it's one of those things like I do want to reiterate when I talk because I have a lot of friends who are in UC be considered what part of their lives lives in this episode could get pulled trash talk. It could could be pulled if I trash talk it. Thankfully that's never happened before. any really good things things going to have a couple of little colty elements to you know a big fan of burning man regional events. There's a little bit ban. Ki Ki is like no cult leader. You know the key is the things things that make a colt like love bombing and stuff like that if there's no purpose behind it if it's just a way to make people feel welcome then is not necessarily a toxic thing like there's all these things that that can be pieces of occult but if you don't have all of the pieces it can just be a bunch of buddies learning how to do. Improv together. Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah which doesn't mean that there's not addictive aspects to that or they can't have problematic aspects to that and the pain aspects and the pain aspects you you pay more to be more in it. Yes that's always the thing that that's always that I think that's one of the keys in addition to like having co leaders potentially as like how how much money is being. I guess when it's like a full-on Colt Colt Keith Rainier Style Colt that cult leader is making all the money themselves yes and now that we're back to Keith Ranieri. Today's episode is of course say it wrong every time in eerie renewing green area right yeah it is yeah and I knew it when we did it last time but today we're talking about the end of Keith Ranieri Yeah because earlier this month June of two thousand thousand in Nineteen Keith Rainier was convicted of running a sex cult human trafficking racketeering trial pornography and child sexual abuse he faces as a twenty year to life sentence and although he plans to appeal his conviction right now it looks like vanguard will spend the rest of his life in a cold cell wowed yeah yeah that's good news. That is good news. That is good news. I'm not a prisons guy drew. I am not either but he is one of those. Usually I think that like even for like really bad people like the the folks behind the financial crash and whatnot. There's other things than prison that you could use to punish them or whatever a guy like. Keith does need to be locked away like he's too dangerous. Wherever wherever he is he's going to do this? which is what his career has shown? This is the only this making colts is the only thing he's capable. That's his life so yeah. Keep them away from people Now the six-week court case that led to his conviction has revealed a treasure trove of new information nation about how nexium which if you remember the name of his cold like in expelled so confused quicken asshole spells it yeah I look at it my brain in reads v. i. Xxx Nixon the Yeah Yeah and they to make it more confusing. I learned as I was reading through stuff about the court case that members of the cult called themselves Nixon's which is more like the president what what like Nick Richard Richard Nixon yeah that if they'd call themselves the Knicks Cents Yeah like a Nixon politics or something Nixon politics which is just yelling the inward while drinking heavily right yeah absolutely and then like throwing up peace signs Nixon you got. That's GonNa be a fun episode of the PODCAST. You haven't done him yeah. No it's one of those things like week. There's so many these have me for that episode because I'd love to learn about tricky. Dick Knicks yeah and I mean all I know about him. I learned on in that movie with Kirsten Dunst. I think that's got most of it deck. Dick Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah never seen it but I assume it's comprehensive. It's a delightful light full female driven comedy just like Richard Nixon's life now. This is kind of female driven but it is not a comedy although he could make a solid solid comedy at all my God this not to be callous but this deserves homage movie in the style of vice that that's who yeah yeah yeah that that would be really solid with allison mack playing probably the the secrets gear yeah which one of the things that came out during the court case is that next thing was almost entirely funded by the The vodka grew yeah like they were. They freely port a lot of money into that wow yeah that I mean Seagram's vodka are they okay are there Jin to. They're not good the like in terms of the quality of their liquor in terms of the business model though they seem to be fine. Oh the feeling I get of the Bronfman family wealth is that they could have given hundreds of modern Keith. It wouldn't have mattered. We're talking like L. Ron Hubbard pockets here wow I will say if you're an aspiring cult leader and you listen to to this podcast which is smart the absolute very smart. This is probably one of the biggest tips yeah you could get is is don't try to a bunch of people con one dumb rich kids absolutely really rich kid. Petofi defend yarded well. Yeah like could throw away passenger jets every month rich kid and out here. There's a lot of them yeah yeah. There's a lot of them and until we the starving masses eat them condom out of their money because I won't I will not write about someone who just cons rich kids out of their money. No that's Robin Hood figure and if Keith Rainier had just been conning the Brahmins out of tens of millions of dollars because with them and yeah if that's not yes none of the sex the sex cult stuff which we're GonNa talk about today so in March two thousand eighteen re and his followers acted in the best traditions of scammers throughout history extreme and fled the United States from Mexico. This was because numerous law enforcement agencies had begun investigating Keith and Nexium for their numerous crimes now as everyone listening knows moving as an and extremely stressful process whether you're heading a new apartment two blocks away or fleeing the country and always sucks and after getting settled into Puerto Vallarta Keith decided he and his followers needed the recommitment ceremony. GotTa settle back in a recommitment commitment ceremony. Yeah that's smart that's like. I've noticed morale dropping. I just WanNa Make Chevron Ron psyched. Yeah Yeah and these are he. You know he had gone from his his normal stable his Harem. I guess you might call it was like twenty twenty one twenty two different women and he was down to like seven hundred the Puerto Vallarta. It's the same thing you're gonNA. You'RE GONNA break a couple of knickknacks. When you move recently lost beautiful in table that you get more but you get you get more experience but once you settle down and that's what Keith was trying to do you lose dozen or so sex slaves but then you recommit commit to the ones you have and when we say lose. Were they like in the press. No I think talking about it or I think they just weren't quite loyal enough to move into Mexico was the co-leader slipped away yeah either that or it may have just been like his funding got a little tighter and you only afford to move so many out these women with them right. I don't know the exact reason one of the women who went along with him is Lauren Saltzman who is Keith's long term partner in nexium one of his first line slaves in the Women's Group D D. O. S. which of course translates in Latin like an acronym in Latin for women are submissive master. I think is like the rough translation so yeah yeah yeah can salesman claimed on the stand when she testified against Keith ceremony was meant to include group oral sex to who do something special for Keith quote honestly. I didn't want to do a recommitment ceremony. I didn't want to start. Dos again we had to believe that we were under possible indictment but I didn't feel like it was my option to not go forward with their ceremony so saltzman claims that she's starting to get cold feet at this point and she's been she's been with him for like years and years and years right well. They're about out to the arrested and I I wonder how much of her contrition in like expressed disgust here is legitimate because I could totally see or being fucking tired of this guy right. You never know never know she could. She's gone along this far. Yeah and I mean at this point you you get the sense that everyone feels yeah shadow of the law and it's it's sorta hard to tell how much of their continuing devotion to him as like in for a penny in for a found and how much of it is legitimately being taken in by the the gift but we'll talk a little bit more about this. Is this a long okay so where's the members of Keith Sex. Co prepared to engage age in their mass blowjob campaign. Federal agents with rifles posted up around the house. Saltzman and several slaves had been taking a priori nap with Keith. She says she went into the kitchen to make a smoothie when another another first line slave ran in from the front room and told her police are out the door and they are looking for keith quote. Honestly I went into one mode protect Keith. I closed all the doors all the blinds lines and I looked out the window and all I could see federal agents with machine guns surrounding the property in Keith refused to leave he wanted to stay. Wow yeah okay what she she really making a smoothie. She says she was like they had like a pre blowjob orgies and then she was gonna make a smoothie. I get it you need nutrients yeah and and I feel like you want a smoothie after you that with Keith Ranieri Yeah I mean that part doesn't add up from that doesn't add up till listening now dot keet insisted a salesman that he was the protector of all the women as cold but rather than taking action to protect the women in the compound ran guard hid in the bathroom and desperately begged his slaves not to tell the cops he was their main concern was to protect Keith. It was almost automatic. I chose love over everything just like we were taught by Keith now. SALTZMAN claims it was keats arrest arrest and the way he's selfishly fled and abandoned. His followers died in the bathroom. That was the thing that finally lifted the scales from her eyes and made her realize she'd been conned during the trial Yeah No. Maybe I mean this is truly a movie waiting to happen yeah. What is your climax right there McConnell. Hey would be great ki through near my God. Wouldn't you know he he would nail that fucking. Yes he would. He does such a good grafter. mcconaughey would also be a good guru of a sex cold. Oh Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah L. I hope he's not. He's not he's not. I like to think better of Matthew mcconaughey yeah only since the McConnell have I wanted to think better of Matthew mcconaughey Kasan start when he was on a true detect yeah absolutely I didn't see each bomb that harmony crime movie but you looked like he was good in it. I'm sure he was yeah. He's a good actor treat pre- pretty decent to mediocre Bourbon salesman to he's a he's a solid salesman of indifferent Bourbon. That's true cars look. I'm getting so off topic. We're we're getting very off topic. I feel bad because this original episode was like five hours. It was a lot of stuff we have. We have less here. We have is real fucked up. I'm staying on topic so Saltzman claims that it was Ki- arrest in you know the way he reacted that finally let her realize is what was going on during the trial we heard from many many other women other than solvent about their own journeys with Ranieri Prosecutors claim that he called himself the smartest most ethical person in the world world direct quote and compared himself to both Albert Einstein Mahatma Gandhi. They made the wise decision not to let him take the stand himself so he never testified which I think is a good call. All don't let the co-leader test wonder though do you think he could've like hypnotized the Jerry. I don't know I wonder if for guys power like that is broken if he's not one on one because Keith was never the Kinda Guru like you look at his videos on youtube never had huge like he wasn't the kind of person like range of people wanted to watch I think he he strikes me as the kind of person who had an intense one on one charisma and that's how he kind of worked everything just ways coat was pretty small right yeah yeah. He didn't start a giant Mega Church movement. He wasn't Hubbard type like he clearly wanted to be but like Hubbard had that ability to on on a scale didn't an aunt and given Ted Bundy you'd had bundy because he could do it from the stand yeah yeah exactly and I. I don't think Rainier could do that but I still think it's probably yeah good idea. Even if all you're saying like fuckers talked enough yeah yeah which he has he has among other things thanks the victims of key three talked about nexium most beloved tradition. Vanguard Week every August members of the group who call themselves Nixon's would spend roughly two thousand dollars to attend a birthday celebrations for Keith in Silver Bay New York. The center of the event were tribute ceremonies vanguard a witness explained in court there was always sort sort of entertainment or different kinds of tribute ceremonies to keep from the different centers whether it'd be like performances of singers but it was all kind of centered around the idea of a tribute to Keith and celebrating Keith's work sort of like a summer camp for adults. That sound doesn't sound like summer camp fine if your key yes summer camp for me was like learning how to start fires person. Kayak yeah. Where's the nature element yeah. We're why we weren't just celebrating a guy maybe like because you have different tribes at. Camp we'd like four tribes and they were the different centers they were the different tribes yeah yeah and like even that doesn't because that sounds like like like like fun in Kuki cultural appropriation as opposed to like yeah just tributing one guy out. What do they mean by performances so it'd be like someone would come and do like a song? Yemen against their songs about Keith his wisdom and important now that you said there was like this oral sex thing going on in my mind. I'm like Oh all the songs would just end with Keith getting a blowjob yeah. I I think like I think maybe it's like a whole week of watt skis going down but all seemed around Keith Ranieri. Oh Wow yeah creepy imagine getting. I assume it was an email in email. Invite to that birthday party probably get excited. Started started annual keeps burt. They you get to spend two thousand dollars and then come up and do a song about him. Yeah input on little skits about his wisdom skid. I bet there yeah yeah. The skit part does sound like now now. I'm thinking about it. It's like Camp Theater Yeah I. I mean I kinda. WanNa do of an guard week where we all make songs about Keith Ranieri just without him there would that people think two thousand bucks yes. We're only up to hell. All all of your listeners are GonNa want that to happen now. If we ever do see this is going to lead to me creating a cult. This is just going to lead to me. I I you gotta be aware of that slippery. It's a fine line line line and I am this close to starting a cold at any given moment. I can tell like right there. Thank you for that. I can feel you holding yourself back. it's like I don't know what it's like. I don't have a good similar but I am trying yeah. Yeah well good for you. I'll fail one day fail one day and they will run for resident no catch me in the adirondacks with seventy or eighty people wearing white sheets and like a cache cache of weapons that cell going to have. You'll have his long beard. You'll have been like hunting deer for sustenance. You'll have been there for seven weeks. Yeah my go is the branch Davidian compound with better drugs in no kids. Don't eight-man could happen. No okay no because has some one of the drugs there will be forty six well. I shouldn't joke about that because that's where this goes. I shouldn't joke about about that at all. Does this is where we can joke I think before it gets yeah before we get to the actual leader. Forcing women have abortion yeah we we. Dan Joke about that at all. I apologize deeply. If I have a Colt I won't do that. Well good it'll be it'll be a coat where women can choose to fend fend off the FBI in our mountain compound. Okay yeah okay but also men yeah. Oh yeah absolutely yeah. No I mean although well fuck whatever kind of cult members you know it takes you over. The spirit gets on. Ya Yeah is still the FBI ATF Burns down It sounds like a commune commune. Colton is fine line. You just have to keep your profile well. No I really I. I'm not sure if it's the ATF I want to provoke or mm maybe the FDA because no colts ever been murdered by the FDA and I do. They have that capacity. I feel they got some grenade. Launchers locked away to good. I think is like four people who work for big corporations or just meet twice a month then the move around some papers yeah. That's the uncharitable view. The charitable view is that it's two very tired. People trying to explain to everyone that like turmeric isn't medicine. Yes that's true also serve an important function boy okay so FBI Special Agent Michael Lever claimed in court that at its height the organization allowed Keith to maintain a staple of fifteen to twenty sex slaves at any given time time these women were forbidden from even touching another man in line with nexium teachings that men were fundamentally poly-amorous while women were monogamous again. This is just bigamy the most disturbing the story in the whole Nexium Saga is the Tail Danielle when she was sixteen her family moved to the US from Mexico after hearing about vanguard in his wonderful organization the six of the moved into a two bedroom mm-hmm condo in Albany and began taking self-help classes. We don't get many details on Danielle in the court documents but I'm GonNa Guess Her family is or was rather affluent now when she moved to the US US stand yellow had never been kissed or had any kind of sexual experience. She was introduced to Keith during his vanguard week. Celebrations in Keith clearly fell in love with this again literal child quote. I didn't see Keith that way but I could see in subtle ways that he was flirting with me now. I believe he was grooming me that were grooming grooming sixteen which you know if you remember from the other episodes. Keith did a couple of times yeah yeah. One of them committed suicide later yeah. Daniel claimed on the stand that their relationship quickly escalated escalated in a sexual way but did not immediately escalate to sex itself that would have been to pedestrian normal Crimea for a guy like raniry. Keith told her that they would consummate their love when she turned eighteen. It was nice and legal in the meantime. He told her she was too fat and needed to lose weight so they'd be able to bone when she was old enough no yeah this is such a tool of of sociopathic dudes controlling wait yeah. I wonder how much of it was even like what he was actually turned on by how much of it was just the need control over them. which just it's an easy lever to control yeah? I there was a screener. Who is not that recently outed but like reality yeah? Oh yeah yeah I mean we can. We eventually was saying fucking Max. Landis yes Max Landis thing he did yeah yeah would tell his girlfriend's a girl he was stating that they were too fat and they needed to get thin and they were anorexic. Yeah I shouldn't say I'm maybe they were but I feel like they talked about that like they already had issues with saying Bang. Yeah it's common. It's a thing for like controlling men to like because it's easy because like there's all these societal reinforce to we're like any woman in the world can be convince. Vince she's fat just because of the way that filial yeah exactly yeah renew or a Daniel on the stand quote. He said he could not share his sexual energy. She with someone overweight yeah. Keith okay yeah sure yeah so we're GonNa talk more about what Danielle said on stage and we will get to the horrifying revelations that make it so very inappropriate for me to joked about Are you forty six morning after pills but I this is maybe my worst lead into ads ever you know what's better than gas lighting women into believing they're fat and molesting children anything anything but also serves yeah please by by these things. 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Dan Yellow one of Keith Ranieri's victims probably has like most hurt victim like of the people in the least the we're talking about today the one who got fucked over the worst by renee okay so once she turned eighteen and was presumably thin enough for Keith's Sexual Energy Vanguard Guard called Danielle at to tell her that it was time and in the tradition of all great romances. He took her to an office building storage room to know what that's what women would now. He's doing right there. He is so rich at this point isn't he. I won't know he lives a quiet. Church mounts like existence. If you remember Oh yeah yeah eh trail so okay storage term best doors. We'll that's what I consider myself a romantic and if I know one thing about women it's that all of you desire the sheer erotic intimacy of an office building storage room. Oh yeah you read erotic novels and they are front to back just storage boxes a hammer mill paper reams or like like like pallets of of Blue Pins. There's a whole series about those storage units. You pick up the what are those called. Oh yes the door's metal metal doors that slide open stack in the set the smell of printer cartridges. Oh that's why the most popular men's clothing brands answer printer ink cartridge to smell yet. No I'll rub but like one of those from a dot matrix before going out for a date. Oh haven't had at six years but unrelated yeah now so they had their storage room liaison and after this Dan yellow was expected to constantly give vanguard blowjob several times per day. She alleges that she and her sister were forced to have group sex with Keith several times saying we cried the whole time import yeah now. Danielle and two of her other sisters were impregnated by Keith Ranieri and he forced all three of them to have abortions which he paid for Daniela claims that after her abortion Keith tried to raise your spirit by telling her that the operation was a good opportunity to lose more weight abortion will make you Ben. You told her quote. Olympic athletes abortions as part of training. That's so crazy I can't I guess at this point. She's been groomed. She's like being dearly manipulated. She is brainwashed where where are her parents parents are in the Colt. Oh they mean for Mexico to the US thing so yeah they've they've they've clearly fallen for it and like you know by the time they made Keats Guy in his fifties she sixteen so like he's got two of her lifetimes of experience just manipulating violating people yeah and she's a fucking teenager yeah. She's a kit yeah yeah so keith clearly took pains to make sure his sexual liaisons with Daniela Inter sisters. I didn't start until they were of legal age but she did allege in authorities. Found child pornography taken the girls before they were of legal age. I'm sure yeah this whole idea that you waited exactly Glenville. They were eighteen adult by yeah. Yeah I he definitely at the very least he had illegal. Porn of. These girls started sleeping with them. It may have been one of those things where he convinced himself that if he waited to actually fuck until they were eighteen that he'd be safe but like I don't I wouldn't be surprised although probably sending dirty text messages ages. He was definitely doing a lot of that yeah yeah it was. I mean he was having her lose weight to be ready to fuck him for two years in child trail which I don't know if that's exactly a crime but it ought to be athletic that to the books so essentially Daniela at one point after like starting her relationship with Keith Ranieri expressed an interest in a man who was not keen eerie a she apparently kissed a male nexium member number and that made him furious He told her that she wasn't pure anymore. Then he threw her across the room and left her lying on the floor. She said the world closed in on me. Every degree of freedom I had was lost. Dan Yellow was imprisoned in a bedroom for two years locked outside of where her family was living but unlike like didn't see her family for two years. Even the living in the same house was locked in a bedroom. This is yeah I now. I see what you mean. Yeah that's fucked next level level. Keith Bill Daniela's imprisonment as a solution to her problem behavior. salesman testified to this quote. Keith told me that she was stealing in that she had said she was going to lose weight and instead gained forty pounds Dan Yellow. It's been days at a time in the room sitting in the wall trying not to scream. She count days and poor through her memories just to try and stay sane. Saltzman claims she hoped vanguard punish Danielle because she was convinced it would help her prove to him that she could be a good mother. We were incredibly abusive to Danielle everything she did. We shot down the thing she could do was the right thing of all the things. I did in this case in all the crimes that I admitted to this was the worst thing I did think she's accurate about yeah this candour you're like. She pleaded guilty. Yes she put guilty to racketeering is what they got her on so. I think she would be like I I did what I had to do but she's being so frank. She is being franken. You know it is entirely possible. People do come to realizations that they did fucked up things and feel legitimately bad about them and maybe that happened. Installments case Kinda sounds. I get the feeling with that with her more than I do with Allison Mack. We'll talk about more absolutely but at the same time it is important to remember Saltzman. Saltzman was an integral part of nexium leadership for a long time right because she might feel some contrition doesn't mean it wasn't fucked up yet it. It was very fucked up does seem very possible. She feels some real contrition. I don't know the person while Danielle seems to have gotten the very worst of vanguard every member of the DOS women's group the so-called slaves were victims canary as well as in many cases perpetrators in their own right members were expected to provide their mentors higher level slaves with collateral ranging from naked pictures of themselves to in at least one case a false confession of prostitution addressed to the slaves mother makes the he they needed collateral so that if these people like left the group or spoke about it to the press you know it would be re released to control law in a lot of cases was naked photos. At least one woman said he'd had her write out a confession to like working. King is a prostitute that would be like sent to her mom. She said I think I mean you would never think that in the moment but like stepping back those does things seem not that powerful of blackmail because it's like once you escaped. You'd be like that was blackmail. I had to get out of a cult also so naked pictures is less of a this is one of the things that I think might get better about society after we get used to deep fakes like it's GonNa be rough couple years at the start initially. It's like who cares. If you've got her naked pictures like anyone you can have anyone's naked pictures at any point seven seconds pictures video not not just pictures videos and maybe we all just stop committee. Just starts stops wearing clothing. Maybe we're just hanging out our genitals for the rest of the time. You're kind of proposing that I I am. What I'm proposing is that the next set of presidential debates everybody's naked. Oh my God little. AOL everybody's naked level the playing field so much it would it would donald trump would not have made it far absolutely not not. I mean I don't know how peach would have done a lot better. Believe that you gotta see the guys ads like a fucking cheese. Grater believe poor guy. He probably works out at the gym mad gain. He's got a lot of add regret that he's working at. He's got a he's just listening to to fort minor in doing crunches for hours. I will say the idea of all reviews. People naked is making me slightly. Nasha do trip. It should but it would be for the greater good of democracy so so we have to do it. and also cops should always be naked tat. Would we crave a different that world would be no. I feel like it would lead to maybe more sexual assault it might. I feel like it would lead to less shootings though because less cops are gonna Po People over because they're exactly exactly so yeah. I feel like you might get a net good out of that but some more more sexual assault. You don't have to bring it yeah. Maybe now shouldn't they analyze analyze this theory of mind. These are supposed to be the moment of levity yeah. These are the moments of levity so this dropbox folder collateral was kept organized by small smallville actress Allison Mack the slaves who sexually service Mr Ranieri were all put on extreme weight loss plans in order to make themselves into vanguards idea of a perfect woman they started on one thousand calorie diets gradually restricted down to just five hundred calories per. Thank God it's not enough to survive victims would be ordered to send photos of their meals to mentors and ask permission before being allowed to eat but of course Keith himself was not required to abide by his own rules for his slaves according to the BBC while he demanded demanded the women around him remain excruciatingly thin the vanguard reportedly ate pizza around the clock in cakes Galore picking out on potato chips and hot sauce flown in from his devotees around the world uh-huh she wouldn't he eat stuff yeah flown. Oh my God at least you fucking crunches if you're gonNA sorry I don't want to say that you. I should be more like Jeb Bush but maybe he should he. Should you know what Jeb Bush all things considered. Nice Guy Mary to a Latina speak Spanish then then again a lot of people speak Spanish these days breath Spanish these days. That's the big thing in presidency yeah yeah. It'd be fucking awesome. If Elizabeth Warren just dropped Blake at ten minute speech at the next debate just go with it cool and then like cory booker starts arguing in Klingon and it just like what the fuck is happening it gives her that Sassy and he gave Tobago Start speaking yeah fuck yeah now in our prior episodes we talked about the branding routines also also required for DOS members through oppression in large group settings to spend half an hour naked being filmed while economizing pen was used to scar a stylized brand of Keith Ranieri's initials into their pelvises. The court testimony revealed that victims were told the brand stood for the four elements air earth and water and the pin represented fire a recording was played in court of Keith discussing how how to arrange the branding procedure with one of his high level followers according to CNN he asked at one point. Do you think the person who's being branch. Be completely nude or sort of help to the table like a sort sort of almost like a sacrifice. That's cool. He had lost his mind. Hid lost his goddamn mind. Yeah I think it started out as normal after but then became an insane person it always like you can't live that way and not lose your fucking skull people worshipping. You is a cancer I think that's true power in general yeah yeah absolutely sussman testified that branding victims were required to submit photos of themselves after the procedure in which allison. Mack dutifully added to their dropbox files. The photo had to be fully frontal naked. Our brands had to show and we had to look happy in uniform victim reported according to the the daily beast quote. If any slave displeased rainier he would kick or whip them before threatening to release their collateral photo saved under a dropbox brands and also testified on Monday. There nearly hit plans to jail women in Dungeon as a form of punishment. I said the jail cell was for people most committed to growth. They would get locked in a cage. She said on Monday I I was a slave with Keith is my master salesman said adding that she was forced to keep the role of Rainier who they had to call grandmaster. A secret in the society demanded a lifetime of obedience to your master. This is the worst case scenario fifty shades of Grey Yeah Yeah Yeah it's like I think it's hard to say maybe he got off on the idea of torturing these women because the dungeon. Oh you're envisioning like a medieval dungeon in that is delighting you for most committed to growth yeah yeah that's crazy that is fucking nuts how the group would meet three times a week week. In a Sorority House and whenever iria tended the women had to strip naked get on the floor and look up to him while he delivered lectures on matters ranging from his vision for dos to write a book to recruitment to his intent it to create a dungeon where slaves would totally surrendered themselves. Cool stuff sounds like fun meetings. I can't imagine it going back. I mean that's that's how these things work. I just can't imagine being in the room when all of a sudden it's like we're all branded. Yeah someone just got whipped and he's talking about the dungeon. He's about to build. It's it's all these little steps that lead up to it. You know like that thing like that's how it happens. You get sucked up in a call. I'm probably involved in like four different almost call to if I look around closely. Do whip a lot of people and talk to you about a lot of to carry one around around with me. Yeah Yeah like Hitler. You're right YEP YEP on no. I've gotta get rid of that. You really gotta you gotTa with one day a week. Take whip out. Yeah it goodwill goodwill. La Has a really vibrant whip sections. They do oh yeah next to like. There's five thousand different forks goodwill kitchen stuff and whips and other nearly victim who took the stand is known in court documents as has j. she took her first nexium class on August two thousand sixteen and it was a five day intensive in Albany. J. found the scores helpful so she got more involved with the Colt before long she wound up in. Dos US forced to handover collateral pictures with sexy pictures of herself on the first every month which she described as being like rent for membership in the cult Mark Agni Leo Ranieri's The nearest attorney insisted that all of this the mind games punishments and collateral photos were part of Keith Self Improvement Program. He claimed people signed up for it willingly. They were not there to go shopping topping. They are there to make their lives better yeah. I guess if you want to convince people to do all these awful awful things and have awful things done to them. You say it's for self growth yeah. Hey classic rift. I'm doing the artist's way right now. It's all about creative growth and self reflection and growth and you're bringing up some of these buzzwords than I am uncomfortable comfortable about how much there hasn't it with me. There's certain phrases that are like shortcuts to a tricking tricking people into taking extreme action and it's why I worry about the use of certain very specific words. growth is one of them really yeah. I've been using that word so much. Since I started reading the artist's way yeah it's it's just said it sixteen eighteen times trying to pitch someone on the buck yeah. I it just always like it doesn't mean don't listen to anything that has that that phrase in talks about it but like be really careful when people start talking to a lot of thing because like that's your you wonder like how will these women got into a point where they're letting someone brand them as like sacrifice victims it was because like it was all framed as growth growth and like it didn't start there but started his period of growth means paying you want to grow into a more fit healthy person. Jim and that hurts in dieting hurts and you want to build a career as a Hollywood or whatever and you have to make a lot of sacrifices and those hurt like right yeah but you know that that's how all of these people get oh. You suggest like it it everyone talking about growth. Every self-help plan isn't a Colt but be really puck and careful when you start waiting into those waters the sharks in their exactly yeah cool you know where there's not sharks products and services products and services not sharks sharks Dick Pills are which is one of our sponsors. Now Bill Lives Bird in again. This is a free add for them. You know I don't know it could be a Microsoft. Ed could be cocoa. Berry enthusiastic about Dick Pills. They don't promise you they promised growth but in a way that is very predictable right scientific growth era fireball yeah. That's great products not a scam not a scam yeah. We are living in complicated times. I'm seventy rule. MSNBC ANCHOR AND NBC News correspondent in my new podcast modern rules. I'm going to be spending time unpacking. Some of the hairiest of today's top decided. I was going to be a survivor survivor fights back he would board they want new. It's America listen and subscribe to my new podcast modern rules on apple podcast the iheartradio APP or wherever you get your podcast. Oh we're back. We're talking about things that are in fact scams so we were talking about Jay who took the stage age to talk about her time. In Keith rainiers Colt a quote from Forbes here her perspective changed after her master invited her into a shared dropbox account where all the slaves in her group submitted nude photos of themselves and other compromising information each month. It got scary. Jay said explaining how she would eventually realize that the photos could be used to blackmail her J. Jay testified that she I considered allison mack carrying a good person who would help her with her acting career but soon found to be emotionally abusive vindictive manipulative now. Mac seems to have been one of the a key members of this group and was like the one of the top level slaves so she must slipped Ranieri mastered. All of these women was responsible for keeping them in line again. Dan You know Keith is abusing these women but he's also using them to abuse each other in sort of like this tiered system because he just doesn't have all the time to do that or not. Yeah yeah it's eh herbal life of sex clubs theory of sex colts yeah down lines and shit eventually ordered to move from Los Angeles to a house near Albany Canarian his inner circle on the surface. It was so that Keith can help her launch a t-shirt brand delightful delightful but when she arrived she found herself trapped in a weird sex school to women who are clearly being ordered to starve themselves. J. Noticed that many of them were losing their hair so she joined them sending in her weight to renew each morning restricting herself to the same five hundred calorie diet how yeah J. testified. That volleyball was very favorite sport and true narcissistic fashion. He required everyone to watch him play. DOS members would dress in their best clothes and put on makeup to watch keith playful volleyball against him. I I you know I don't know I guess whoever had our men in the group was probably some of them during breaks in the play the women of Dos with lineup so rainier could kiss them each on the lips and takes walks with them one on one to talk about their progress. We're the so again allison was the person managing Jay and eventually told her that she had been tasked with seducing Keith Rainier. She insisted this was an honor honor and a privilege she was asked to Keith until he took a naked photo of her and sent it to allison. Mack is proof. This seems to be what finally shook Jay out of her involvement. In the cult. Everything was crumbling crumbling. It was my worst nightmare. Come to life that it would be a colt and someone who would want to sleep with me and that's what it was yeah yeah. The somebody would wanNA sleep with me was sort of the fundamental yeah. You're starving ourselves. I didn't know that was a Colt but yes. There's a fucking I guess everybody has that in a coal that moment like Russia this cold right yeah you're right and you know everybody gets sucked into things. I I guess I can see if everyone around. You is doing this stupid. Five hundred calorie literally wasting away diet the pressure. 'cause I even feel it. I mean I feel it when I hang out with like skinny friends and stuff and they're like I'm just going to get a salad. They don't need did arm like I feel like such a cow ordering my fried. Whatever pickle yeah I feel that way anytime I go to a gym in Los Los Angeles. Everybody looks like they were poured into place to go to JD. It's heartbreaking literal fitness models go to the gym going to Oregon again for gyms great going to a gym in Los Angeles where it's like nothing but fitness models works yeah. I'm on a treadmill on. Both sides of me are beautiful the full gorgeous hall models yeah. That doesn't make me WANNA keep calling yeah where there's there's guys just like casually bench pressing three hundred pounds and like look like a they walked out of an Arnold Schwarzenegger movie John Wick. Really yes great and and they probably do yeah and they literally fight John. Yeah so Jay managed to escape the coat without out ever actually completing her assignment to Seduce Keith Ranieri on the stand for Near East defense attorney clarified. The job was only asked Seduce Keith not sleep with him because that makes it better okay okay. That's good defense to prosecution what I don't believe it. You don't believe I don't buy I think it was I I mean maybe he was like really into edging yeah. Maybe he was really into edging. I'll give it some water then like sure. Can you say that phrase like that water. I'll give it some water. Give it a little bit of water. It'll hold it now. There are many other horrific details. One thirty one year old woman who took the stand claim that Ranieri Blindfolded Line folded her tied her up and made her lie in cold table. William another slave went down on her against her will this woman claimed that she did not fight obeying Allison Mack's order to be a good slave. Save the part where it's like lots of Papin together. There was definitely a lot of really happened yet. Saltzman and Mac both eventually plead guilty to charges of racketeering tearing conspiracy both seem to have turned against their guru during her testimony saltzman went into brutal detail about the things she air force people to do she told stories of women forced to stand barefoot in the snow or locked in a cage she admitting to forcing valium on a slave who had what she described as a psychotic break which I'm going to guess was actually just a woman racking totally reasonably to the fucked. Thanks Keith Ranieri. was someone like finally yeah. You did not medicate someone having a mental health issue you drug someone in who realized they were put in a horrible position or I mean look if I'm to believe her fine then you drove someone to to a mental break which is possible yeah after hearing this the Brooklyn Jerry tasked with deciding vanguards fate did not need a lot of time to make their decision after four and a half hours they returned a four page age verdict finding Ranieri guilty of seven charges according to the New York Times celebration ensued prosecutors on the case hugged and kissed cheeks former nexium detail what a weird detail former next followers who would later turned on their leader pushed into the hallway to continue the jubilee mark Leo One of mysteries defense lawyers later told news media that when Mr Ranieri learned end of the quick turnaround he remarked. That's not justice. Oh yeah that's that's feels. This feels a little bit like justice to me yeah. Of course they were. GonNa walk away from that yeah think he was guilty. Yeah a bit details are so damning horrible and specific yeah like Doc. You can't make that shit up. No no and there's like phone conversations and text messages like dropbox. There's a drop box full. All of evidence of people like a full of Blackmail Mitch Twenty nine thousand nine crime very two thousand nineteen. They're using dropbox for blackmail and social meade's cuts both ways it can help you maintain your coat but why you would use dropbox when you can just use google email google drive. I oh I do have dropbox advice. I'm not getting funded by dropbox but I'm an advice my listeners. If you start a sex cult and you need a place to keep your blackmail dropbox really well you it has that desktop feature where you can use your desktop to move a file so if you have a big nude photograph that takes a lot of space you want that feature. You want that feature. I convinced myself into using dropbox for your sex cult for my tags. Call Yeah some. I won't be a bad one. It won't be like the yeah good non consensual yeah mine will be good sex colt until the. FDA starts firing grenades in right yeah man. What are you have to do to anger. I really WANNA piss the. FDA offline often around selling bootleg medicine. Are you comfortable. A lot of people do that in the FDA doesn't do anything that's true. I it's GonNa be hard to push him that far but I'm GONNA try. I think he I think you could could yeah. I just I wanna see what it looks like when they militarize. That's the goal that's the goal is to get the FDA pills at you or like certified meat products through something like that. I feel like if I really play Mike Cards right. I could get the FDA to assault ATF headquarters and then like right okay well. You know so you told me earlier. You wanted to run for president at some point. It sounds like after all this unfolds is the time to run for president after I've gotten the FDA to take down the ATF yeah yeah I think so because there's like a vacuum at that point so much infighting you just swoop right in. Y'All have been in the ADIRONDACKS for seven weeks. You'll be strong. He'll be full of natural foods. We and I feel like like if I if I attack the FDA enough that I make them. Come after me like there's a way to do that is like nagging eventually just like crave my approval and like Keith right now. It's not ineffective you just have to get get it to a positive goal like turning the FDA into a second Ryan Nag the ripe for me to improve my ability to Nag the right people. We all do and that's GonNa Start. My Colt is just teaching other people how to Nag. sounds like you're describing the game it shit. I keep doing that. you're going to be what's his name mystery and teach young virgin men how to neg women in bed but in my the case it's going to be held in the FDA into arming charming same these are small semantic detail well Ana Anna. That's the story Keith Ranieri. He's going to appeal but I think there's probably ninety. Five percent. Chance Motherfucker dies in cell definitely well which is great fucking. What an interesting thing. Have I guess some semblance of a happy ending to one of your story. It does seem like that. It seems like he got a thorough amount of obviously who has led to continue for too long and he really fucked up a lot of people's lives like as much justice could be gotten after this point seems to have been gotten like hey hey. He's never going to get out of prison. his crimes have been exhaustively detailed his victims have gotten their day in court looking at him in the face of him sentenced. That's about as good as it gets them. One of these cases yeah yeah. Is there any I mean I wonder. Is there any. This seems too good to be true. Is there any aftermath any followers of nexium that are going out and spreading his good word well. The one kind of downside downside is that Cunanan has really embraced this convinced themselves law ties between Keith Airey and Hillary Clinton which there aren't you just aren't that would be insane. Yeah how would those connections and there's a bunch of people like like a bunch of talk and qn on boards about about like the mainstream media is ignoring the verdict and it's like no dude the New York Times published a bunch of front page of the daily beast has covered care to people care. I do agree. We're doing a third episode on play. No no one's covering this up. It just has nothing to do with global politics so they think it's connected but to the whole all democrats are pedophile ray this. Oh here's one more reason the Democrats are pedophile. Wow that's picking and choosing witching and choose as a whole leaders you wanNA use his AMMO. This fucked up enough without like pretending it's other things can know lot of time on those huge spend much time on this message chilling. Yeah it's unsettling 'cause I read your tweets where you talk about like just so you guys. You know what's going on in Japan right definitely don't. Hsen four Chan is here right after read it and then Hsen is even have to prove yourself to get on Chan. No anyone can view it like. It's one of those things if you start posting there and you haven't looked for a long time. They'll they'll pick you out. They'll be like get out of here. They'll make fun of you until you to lurk more like it's it's one of those. Just things like it's essentially the same thing as a foreign language if you walk if you're a payroll work and you start talking in Spanish into debate people will know like okay. This isn't a guy who grew up speaking Spanish. It's like that like like with with these link goes but the chunks talk about Cunanan are a lot different because their goal is to get a lot of older people in boomers and stuff to keep posting and like draw them in further and further they actually have a lot of conversations about like how to welcome older people who are getting sucked into Q. and on and stop so like it's weird like these chunks of eight Chan that are like literal neo-nazis who are so online that it's broken their brains and then you've got like grandma's like pouring poring over q drops and stuff. It's everything's so weirding. Poor pulled in more and more yeah and those people believe that Keith Ranieri is a front of the Democratic Party are are you just a lurker yeah. I just I don't post right. What would you post woodhaven drive yeah. There's nothing to gain from it right yeah. Do you think I know this is a little off topic but do you think that this is a growing problem toe for sure. It's like they've killed getting more and more fifty two people have been killed this year and that get's fostered on the Bart's church shooting in the shooting in the in the poll boards and the Acumen on. There's been a two shootings in two murders in the last year so yeah wow so. I guess fifty four dead you could tighter soldier in the Message Board Army. That's really dumb war. If that's the case it's going on and it's on your Leagues Really Stupid War. The boy bet real no no just really dumb and frustrating yeah I don't. I don't know how you have the patience for it. I can't even like go to Breitbart and yeah remain sane. No you know we all pick our own private hells keefer near. He's picked his private. Hell right I picked mine and it's it's browsing eight Chan until the. FDA finally comes for me and you've picked Improv you know and what a private hell what the private hell in the public over. You throw yourself in front of. BMI suffering is both private and public. 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SIO256: The Psychology Behind Cults, with Lindsey Osterman

Serious Inquiries Only

49:00 min | 3 months ago

SIO256: The Psychology Behind Cults, with Lindsey Osterman

"You're listening to. Serious inquiries on. Hello and welcome to serious inquiries. Only this episode two, hundred and fifty six, I'm Thomas and if I sound weird that's because I am recording after the debate at a watch the debate of course Kamala Harris and her Mike Pence. Spot. Dead Running Corpse Mike. Pence it was I. I also went on cognitive dissonance and did a little livestream with them go find that at finding you tubes everywhere. Just Google it was. It was really funny. It's really fun and all that is to say, I didn't realize I would have to record this bumper in the kids are asleep and I can't go up in the studio. So I know I sound a little weird but that's okay. The main episode was recorded at a different time. Don't worry and speaking up tonight today whenever he listening this, I have a conversation with Lindsay Ostermann on cults what draws people call the keep people in Colts and it does center. Around the HBO show the vow, which is about a nexium cult. I have a ton of thoughts. And as always I've got thoughts and Lindsay's got science hopefully, it's a good combination. So this is part one. There's actually a part to I'll tell you more about that after the conversation, but here we go. Here's part one with Lindsay Ostrom. I'm joined again by Lindsay Ostrom and how you doing Lindsey doing well, happy to be here. It's hard to believe it's already been two years. It may have been like my brain I split second was like Jesus did we go to here's I? Think we had that that much news. I never, and then somehow Eli Bosnia's baby is only three and a half three months or something because i. we were texting the other Dan I was like, well, surely, your baby's gotta be in highschool by now with how long. The. You know the pandemic takes and he's like now three months with three months. So both I'm sure we're all having this mental process where it's a both no time has passed and infinite time has passed depending on what thing you're thinking of it's weird. Is Constructing and expanding all the time notice that it's probably a quantum thing. Hey sneaking up. That's a great transition. Lindsay and I've been talking a lot and there are just so many topics that I think your expertise Lindsay is going to make really interesting to explore. Because I'm just dude but. You're like a learning science, psychology person and. and. I think that's what it says on your. You know various diplomas of imagining learning science psychology person since my email signature. and. One of those things we've been talking about lately I. Think I think there's there's a lot of good stuff to talk about we're excited to do some more episodes. But one thing we've both been very interested in lately is this series on Hbo that I think is four episodes in I'm all caught up. But don't worry this won't be something that you will have had to see although we highly recommend it but it's about this cult called nexium but it's spelled all stupid because it's which is weird because nexium is of what does that a heartburn pill? There's already a thing called. Super Confusing when I first heard the name of cult I was like, wait a guy who made the heartburn medication yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So we've been watching this. It's called the vow on HBO IF YOU WANNA check it out I. Recommend you do so you know we're going to be talking about it, but I was very curious about cults and the psychology behind how that works and there are so many observations that I have that I'm curious. Maybe you'll be able to you know put give us the scientific explanation of and that kind of thing. But also there are a lot of these days. It's not just particular to the nexium called. There's this little cult called trumpism and. Hugh and on. So never heard. Yeah. So all kinds of stuff to talk about How do we get going? Well, how would you recommend I mean we can talk about specifically nexium want to give the listeners a brief summary maybe. We'll try to avoid some spoilers, but it's got a weird when you're like, no spoilers on real life it's kind of. Yeah I. Think it's going to be hard to to avoid spoilers right 'cause. Yeah. Yes. So nexium is like this Kurd creation of of neary who is a self professed genius and what is the art that he's so proud of Oh I 'cause I'm so into the volleyball, he's really into volleyball. So that's That's all I remember now was he doing a martial art? He. He was like he brags about the fact that he's like a black belt in judo. Okay. Sure. Way Too proud that he became a black belt in judo when he was a kid, he absolutely looks like the kind of guy just stereotyping he looks like a black belt in June. I Don I don't know what it is. It's all these ways that he like he overcompensate and he's overcompensated into a cult, which is something I'm very curious about. It right off the Bat I have to ask you this is like my first question. What percentage of cults are just some guy named Keith? Who wants to have sex with you like is that ninety eight percent of them? All of the Yeah, it's hard to bring to mind a cult. It's not also a sex cult. Yeah. I'll say this member. Bhagwan did you watch that one? Oh, yeah. Wild country seed that one is interesting because I'm pretty sure. Yeah. Probably the bad ones having sex with women or whatever. But like totally, there was also Sheila. and. She like China took over day to day cult operations and that that was. So that's one example I can think of but like so it can't be coincidence unless these are the only ones that get coverage like many of these cults are about a dude wanting to have sex with women AM I. I mean Jim Jones. None no other culture coming in. Scientology I'm sure that Yeah. On Hubbard had sex. Well Yeah. You like had a boat that people went. Yeah. There's a lot there I'm not sure who he was having sex with definitely having sex no I think a lot of this for the cult leaders start these things, I think a lot of it comes down to power and. POWER COMES DOWN TO SEX SO. Yeah there's definitely a lot of that. So spoilers on that. Yeah. I mean everybody might have seen this the story when it came out a while. The New York Times broke it what three years ago or something? Oh, it's because it has the the actors from Smallville who I wouldn't have known because I've watched that show but I know from your documentary now what does it? AL, allison? Allison Mack Allison math. Yeah. So that's how you might have heard of this if you haven't. Made that connection here. So. I did I did want to say one thing about the documentary itself that really like and I think it it echoes. Like. How I how I see this cult phenomenon is a social psychologist. So the first two episodes of the show especially are like this amazing primer on how cults operate the most common manipulation tactics that they use. But also, and this is the thing that's that's really cool to me I love how sympathetic it is to the people who are successfully recruited by cults. that. Like a lot of documentaries about cults take this kind of like outsiders perspective from the beginning like they start with the bizarre behaviors cults and I think that that can give people kind of like a a false sense of superiority from watching that like I would never be sucked into a right. But like the first episode, right is like basically an infomercial for ESP right? Well, when you say, Esp. So what does that specific executive success programs that was like their entry point to to nexium yet these essentially like self help seminars essentially what they were but by the end of the first episode like I was like man, this group seems great. Like I think I've got a lot out of US I'm ready to join. This is this is my feeling as well like I'm I wouldn't join I've. So you know I know you said everyone says I am very unlikely to be a cult person because I have no respect for authority in any way and Like I, there's a few characteristics that'd be curious if there's any like social measures of psychological measures of like people are more susceptible and that's not a value judgment because. My my amazing wife who I love dearly, we we're both watching this and I was like you would have been in this class. and. She agreed like wholeheartedly she's. The. People who like ice breakers. If you're ever in a meeting or something, and you get really and icebreakers I think that means would be an I'm just saying 'cause like I agree with you that it actually looks like a ton of fun and then the the next joke i. made was once for some reason, the confusingly cult and specifically Keith and all the people are into playing volleyball at our all hours of the night that I was like shoot. That's how they would've gotten me out it for the volleyball so. Something for everybody and I mean, also also I mean, let's let's imagine a parallel reality where you didn't develop like seventeen podcasts. Like I think that we've all had points in our lives where we we Can Get to a point where we're like the career path that I've that I've chosen isn't doing it for me and you start feeling the sort of lake purpose looseness and meaninglessness in the work that you're doing. And the stripe path that was part of the suggesting I cannot like that's mutually exclusive with my podcasting because I very much. I. Feel. Yeah that's still. Yeah but. I think that that is meeting a real need to. Yeah. So. Yeah. No I think nexium add something for everybody. It sounds great. I'm I'm ready to join. Well, that's that's interesting because one thing about nexium cult is that it doesn't unless I'm you know I'm four episodes in you can correct me if I'm wrong. I don't see any religious component to it whatsoever it seems to be a secular call from everything I'm seeing and that's interesting to me because I think the this this and you can put this much more scientifically I'm sure but it's like we all have this. Need because in my opinion as an atheist, I'm over here saying, well, life just sucks and it was engineered. It wasn't engineered by anybody there was no plan in mind. So life is just really crappy and a lot of ways and you know we we make everything we can out of it and all that and you gotta find stuff to do and meaning and all that, and there's there's a lot of great things but it's baseline in my opinion there is no greater meaning like we make our own meaning and so. You either have like these religious cults where you've kind of that's A. In some ways I guess like a separate thing but also I think it's obviously playing on a lot of the same. Same. Same draws but that that has a prepackaged like if you join a religious cult I'm imagining you the baggage that goes along with God and meaning and all that is kind of smuggled in there and it's utilized in that way or you have a cult like this where there's not really a religious component, but it's about finding maybe some that same meaning in life but the secular purpose or whatever and So it's it's really interesting to see the kinds of things that they're able to promise. And I think you said this may be right before we went on the recording but you said that you thought he was copying a lot of scientology in a way. Oh Yeah. Yeah Scientology. But also heaven's Gate and Heaven's Gate was was definitely religious in nature right and now I I think that the distinctions that you're pointing to are are real and they're really interesting and and you know the religiously focused culture likely to have appealed to a slightly different group of people than a group like nexium. Scientology. But I I do think that. All cults regardless of what their packaging is come down to the thing that they're selling comes down to two basic needs. And I think one of the first need is belonging. and the second one is, yes something in this arena of meaning purpose right something in the in sort of that status striving or achievement needs domain. They're they're providing things for you to do every day that really feel meaningful. Yeah and I think that's true whether it's religious or not. Yeah. I'm just taking notes for forming a call. Maybe we can form one right now is an excellent. Okay. Everybody listening you belong you are part of this community of podcast listeners and we're all friends we got belonging. Yeah. Okay. Meaning more podcasts I don't know the meaning part what's going to? Make everybody feel like they have now. I mean, it's really easy. Right? We've got a playbook for it. Just have a bunch of sashes. Yeah. Yeah and people can earn better sashes through paying you more money to listen to podcasts. Now we're now. So I, this is the patron golden has. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So my stash has to be totally bad ass FBI. Funny thing is you could just make it yourself out there but but that's but you need the system you need like. That all values, the process and these worthless acid sashes that they they have become licensed. Yeah. The gamification component is really interesting. Yeah. It's beautiful I mean that that really is the only thing about nexium that I think is somewhat distinctive it's not it's not like completely unique or anything but. I don't think that most cults have that kind of like MLM structure to them. So that was really smart I think. Yes. So just to outline again for people who are not watching the show or up of the thing you earn the sashes essentially as you say, by doing a multi level marketing kind of thing which is like you say genius move. So as the people the people who are telling the story in the documentary, it's it's very unique because so mark is kind of at first he's kind of the main character and it's he made that stupid documentary that I'm sure a lot of no. Called what the bleep do we know because I remember this as like a skeptic thing that people would have to debunk in in the in this community from time to time I've never watched it myself, but it's a bunch of it's basically entirely Wu. It's just the quantum ru stuff and he's the guy who made that and he cross paths with this Keith Guy and was just blown away by him, and so what makes this so unique and the reason I'm talking about it is because this is a filmmaker he's basically filming everything and then. Yeah, and so minor minor spoilers. He eventually obviously becomes disillusioned with this whole thing, and so then we have a lot of footage of the cult but we also have. Actual footage, it's really incredible. That is why it highly recommend watching it actual footage of like the de conversion process and. Weirdly, I in the last episode I pretty sure we might have seen footage of like. The moments that. was like really taken in by this guy, which is just Really. Really mind blowing that was hard to watch. Yeah. Whole nother story but. The point is we have all this footage in this audio recordings because this guy who was really and he was in this filmmaker was in this cult was in with this guy for years like I want to say maybe even over a decade, right? I'm pretty sure. Yeah. So it wasn't like a casual. Oh, Bob La he was he was really in his. Inner Circle and honestly it's weird to say. But like maybe the the biggest flaw on Keith's part was that he let someone into his inner circle that wasn't a woman that he was trying to have sex with 'cause like you got to the point where mark was like, Hey, wait a are you just having sex with a bunch of the women and then? He's like wait a minute. This is what I thought. It was and he gets out and he's deconverting other people. So we have all that footage and it's super fascinating is when it but you know it takes him forever. Yeah. His his wife leaves how how long before he finally starts to to really question things deeply yeah. I can't remember I. Think it's months. I don't think it's like years or anything, but it's I thought it was really I could bureau I'll go back and check that but it was it was a long time though right like that's a pretty extended period where she was like. Just bringing him all this evidence and all this reporting that had been done and he was just like rejecting all of it took him forever to get to that place. So what do you think is the belong I guess we try to put it into words the social part of this kalt senior pretty apparent like honestly I'm almost down for that like I'd be cool especially. When you're watching this in quarantine you're like, Oh, I'll go listen to a stitch crappy multi level marketing pitch just totally to be wrong people. So that's the community part, and then what would you say like the meaning part? How would you summarize kind of what they're doing? They're well, I WANNA say like one or two things about the belonging thing. So we we talked about. Actually. In Our last recording, we were talking about the fact that belongings like a fundamental need for humans. And the fact that when those needs are unmet in some way if somebody's like super lonely and isolated like it has all of these different effects in psychology select people self esteem suffers more likely to be depressed but the other thing that's true if you're in this sort of socially deprived state is that you you are hyper sensitive social cues. So rejection becomes especially painful, but also acceptance becomes especially elating and rewarding. And so called specifically are targeting their marketing toward people with unmet belonging needs. So you remember Sarah this was toward the beginning of episode one I think she was describing the place in her life that she was when she met mark and he told her about the SP seminars whatever, and she specifically cited like to thanks she said that she was having struggles in a relationship which was with a fiance, right? It was it was a long term relationship. So she was having major challenges there and she was having major challenges in her career and so was in this place where she was sort of like looking for meaning, right. And then she meets mark and he tells her about nexium and she starts going to these seminars. She's hooked by the self help thing she pays like three thousand dollars to go to the seminar, right? And one of the first things that she I mean after she gets back past the crappy part, which we should come back to one of the first things that she notices and mark talks about this too and Bonnie all emphasize how overwhelmingly accepting and kind everybody in the group was. Yeah. It's like one of the qualities that stands out. So as you say, like that's appealing to anybody to walk into this group that seems to accept you for whatever but. If you're already in a place where you're lonely or isolated like that's likely to be super seductive and intoxicating. Gosh, you know I'm just realizing boring personal life things but when I was in high school. So even despite the fact that you know my dad's in atheist the for some reason, the men my family have been atheists in the women religious I don't really know why. But that's my whole family and they sent my sister my older sister to this Catholic College. And they were trying to get me to go to and like I came dangerously close to going to a Catholic college despite having not being religious and I'm now re realizing like one of the best things about it was. So I went to their summer program that was like the agreement like I would. I would go do that you know and see how I felt junior highs. And it really really was. A powerful experience to have it's like this little tiny campus I guess I don't. I don't know if I care about giving I I won't you just in case I don't WanNa. Say what it was, but a tiny little campus where people who are very devout Louis Catholic. Go and learn all these like. You know. It's it's very much appealing to your sense of like Yeah Enlightenment educate you know or also socrates and Plato and Euclid, and all these great minds and all this kind of stuff and the feeling of everybody they're being incredibly open to everyone else their you know exactly was so positive like really it really does make you feel like Oh you know and I was just a junior in high school so but like feeling like okay. Maybe other places. There's all these negative things Maybe I don't get along with people high school or whatever. But here everybody is just like now we're all great. We're all together. You know we're all open to each other and it really is a powerful positive feeling it. Really it really is like I. Don't I what I'm about to say is not because my department is a is a cult. It's not it's just a great department. But when I when I interviewed I had the same sense like it was just this this really amazing group of people that got along really well, and you know they accepted each other and releasing to like each other and it's like as soon as I as soon as i. saw that I was like all right. This is this is great. This is a great place to work. And one thing we should maybe maybe we talk about it later or something, but it would be interesting to try to differentiate between like what's a healthy level of this thing and what's a cult level of this thing? Well, yeah no I think that that's that's a really good. Point to make. So this like many of the other things that are sort of hallmarks of cults are also just features of normal. So rooms. Yeah. So it's not, it's not this piece of it. That's bad thing that's bad is that there's a guy behind the scenes that's like trying to have sex with women. well, and not just that they're you know you come to find out. There's this weird blackmail stuff happening. There's a lot of layers to it the there is right bans and yeah, like those are all in service of the having sex with people but but this is to like this is a normal thing but they're they're using it to eventually get people to the having sex with Keith part. So I don't I don't think that there's Like any good called, there's a thriving economy to it to you. Know I think that there's probably a lot of just you know answer Larry. Have people pay three thousand dollars for these seminars to get the self help I think there's plenty of that too. I I don't know that the entire thing 'cause like when you look at the numbers while I don't know I guess I haven't gotten to the end of the. But I don't know that Keith can be trying to groom every person that the every customer every cult member it's but but anyway, he's just he's developing pool to draw and I think, yeah sure etiquette money you're right I mean yeah. It's power money and sex. That's that's what it comes down to you. Know I. Just I didn't WanNA, make it sound lake You know the belonging this thing itself is bad or. Are the fact that we respond to that as bad. It's just. People who WanNa Start Colts are super aware of how powerful that is, and so they they exploited and there's something about the. Difference trying to think. It feels nice in any context to say, well, here's a loving accepting community like that just feels like a positive thing no matter what and then obviously it's it's kind of what you deal with it or what the values are but it could also be true and I let me know what you. You think I in my mind I'm thinking like the more I don't know discount. The group is the more incentive there is for that open community when it's This Catholic school that yeah, okay. There's a bazillion Catholics in the world but they're very devout and they're very In some ways are kind of anti modern in like there's there's qualities to that school that would definitely set it apart from just your run of the mill you meet someone and they say they're Catholic kind of thing and it strikes me that like. In the same way I'm not saying it's exactly a cult, but if it's on the call spectrum, I, think it's a toward colty behavior When you have something like this next thing, the more or one of these you know maybe bizarre religious cults, the more weird assumptions or whatever that you've taken on as a group like the more incentive there is to say like, yeah, if you're with us, you're awesome. We all love you. If you're not then we don't you know like doesn't that doesn't that kind of make that incentive even even bigger. Yes, it does I've I've actually got like a big chunk notes on that. Perfect. Okay. So that that idea of of of like separation between the cult in the outside world yeah is is very, very intentional and so a lot of of the cults that you'll see the build something into their ideology that kind of is self perpetuating in an interesting way. So Lake this is after you get people like a bought into the cult right there already in they they feel like they got a group of friends and all that good stuff. The ideology that people buy into is lake. So strange and so disconnected from mainstream beliefs that when they try to talk to other people outside the cult about it's they're likely to get sort of hostile responses right and so like part of the ideology that you'll see in colts is though the lead people to anticipate those kinds of reactions like part of the dogma will be like the outside world is separate. Hostile. They won't understand you. and. So then when people try to go out, maybe talk to their family members or friends about it, and they get that response. It's like it's a reinforcement that the coal was the coldest right? The ideology is right. Yeah. So that's a yeah. That's an aspect of things that I think sort of like perpetuates that isolation. And really gets people to to double down more on the ideology that the cults asking them to buy into. I've got an example with with nexium the. It was kind of subtle. In terms of that like isolation part and sort of setting up. Barriers through distinctiveness essentially so Lake In these in these seminars, they're doing the things that they called em's or explorations of meaning I guess in the seminars in general like Keith created. This whole language is whole unique distinctive language to talk about things that are like basic things about psychology. We already have words to describe the things that he's talking about. That normal people would understand yeah. Everything has to be presented in a way that's like this is a revelation like this person is an absolute genius and I'm curious about your opinion on Keith because I think quite clearly he's very smart like there's no, he's not I don't think he's like one hundred percent bullshit I. Think he's Super Smart but part of it seems to me like finding ways to talk that make it sound like what you're saying is this hidden truth that other people don't have is that exactly Yeah Yeah Right Yeah. So that's that's a big part of it. Right to to to have this packaging that makes it seem like what you're selling is unique in that you know makes people that they can only get what they're feeling from from your group but I think that the other interesting effect that has of creating that whole new language is that if somebody goes through all, these seminars learns language like limiting beliefs and like rational inquiry has special meaning in Nexium. Viscera unethical like these all have different meanings. So if you have gone through this program and then you try to go back to your family members or friends and explain to them the experiences that you're having and how and why they're so powerful. they're not going to be able to get what you're saying in less day to go through the program, and so they're probably going to look at you like you're crazy and then that reinforces again like the outside world a separate hostile they don't have access to these truth that I do and you sort of come back into the group, right you isolate from those people. It's just kind of like subtle interesting example of like the kind of isolating techniques that I think at least nexium used I don't know if that's real common. Yeah. Yeah and there's also the sense I've had feeling a lot where if you get enough people to say like. No this person is genius. Then like you'll take what might be an ambiguous statement or what might feel like kind of nonsensical statement or like a deep eighty as What's his name would say something that Janet would say something that you know might have a chunk of wisdom in their gas but you you might think of it a different way like if you say if you took a random quote and said, we have this is from your neighbor you know who said this versus now this is from this one true genius person who has special you might like look. Deeper into it or think of it differently you know yeah. You're going to give them more of like benefit of the doubt or something. Yeah. I think that there's something you're missing. Yes, right yeah. So if you if it sounds like nonsense, it's probably just because you're not smart enough. Yeah. To get it. That's definitely part of Keith's Mystique. He definitely like That intentionally I think this is I mean Just to go back to making jokes about me, this is why wouldn't be in the cult because I'm usually just like. I'm just about smart enough just not saying anything. I don't have that quality where I'm like this person is on a whole `nother level I'm usually like, no, I think you're kind of foolish. You're right. That is there. Yes. Some people are like really into any get. So interesting because I think there's also not all about like, oh I want this person's a genius and I'm dumb and I to whatever it's also I think for specifically for mark and like some of these other people and I think Allison Mack is well. They also, there's a feeling of. Sort of like how the best restaurant the best pizza place it's never domino's or roundtable or whatever. It has to be a hole in the wall place that only you've to in a enough you know fuck in town in Italy that someone whoever you're talking to hasn't been to instead exact same impulse. Serves you as well to be like? No, no I understand this guy and I have found this genius it's not all about you know. So it takes takes that quality as well like wanting to be the one who has found this person who has this information? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean I think especially for for Bark and Allison Mack. It's it's like the thrill of affiliating with somebody like that like. You have more status by virtue of being close to to Keith Yeah I mean there's probably something more general going on with with everybody that's index nexium I guess and it's often something that culture selling you know privileged access to these triggers or whatever. But Yeah. I, don't have a single word to describe that we were talking about we're wrapping up talking about belonging needs and how cults exploit those. The other thing was that sort of that need for status or achievement or or meaning things in that Ballpark, and the fact that colts also target people who are are searching for those kinds of things in their life. So I think we said this already but but yeah, like Sarah said that she was not feeling fulfilled in her career and that's you know nexium and specifically going through the strike path in esp was like providing her with the sense of meaning and purpose that she'd never experienced before. So very touching moment really when she's like fondling that sash. And she's like this is the first thing in my life that I ever felt like I really earned well and I don't think it's a coincidence that a lot of these members are actors a lot of them actually like I yeah I think. And the the thing that might seem a little weird about her counterintuitive is they're actually pretty successful. You know there are people there. There are a lot of people from and part of it is that once somebody got hooked in, they had connections via you know. What the Hell's that space show that I've watched that I already have bell GALACTICA. So if you're a big battle Sarg, lactic a fan. You may be disappointed or shock to find when you watch this. There's like I know three I. think There's a lot like two or three people that were in that show show up in this. They might not be like at the highest levels of this cult necessarily. But there you see cameras very interesting and I think that that makes sense that like you're in a career where you know especially with these actors they have accomplished but they're not you know they're not like super famous or anything. So it always feels like there's further to go and maybe I don't know maybe that applies to a lot of careers but afternoon maybe in particular might be something. Where you feel like you could always be on the brink, but you're not there yet and so especially with a lot of the members are maybe less successful than that. They've done a few like commercials or something but they you know they made a big. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah and also it might have been Sarah that saying that you know if you go to an audition and you get it, you don't know why if you go to an audition, you don't get it. You don't know why right? Yeah. That that can really lead to a sense that lake whatever success you've had you probably didn't earn like maybe it was just that you looked a certain way. What honestly is probably true. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think to a to a large degree. It probably is I'm not saying that acting doesn't require talent but. But there's a lot of other things that are really required to make it big in Hollywood And I could definitely see that. really sort of undermining the extent to which. Actors like Sarah. Find their work purple. Not. Really feel like they're earning it I guess Ryan Anyway and so then you know along comes nexium and in order to progress through the stripe path. I mean anybody theoretically could do it as long as they're willing to invest the significant amount of time money and energy that it's required to like move up that path right. So you have all these like very specific tasks that you have to do to get to each next level and you got to go to you have to pay for so many more seminars you have to recruit so many more people that's the part. Yeah and you have to go through those those Em's the explorations of meaning, and so it's not like those are super skilled tasks, but they do require a shitload of effort. Yeah and I would say the people who rose up it seems as though they were they're better at recruiting people. They're just that's the key the key to any good pyramid scheme. It's like you never whatever you know multilevel. Marketing thing is like the people are going to rise higher are going to be the ones who are just for whatever reason better at recruiting more people, and so it's all geared toward that. Yeah exactly. Exactly. I mean you can see tangibly like these are the things that accomplished when I get the extras striper this because I sure would be the person who got into the call and then just sucked at it and they're like, you know you. Take your take your the entry level sash and go home like this is not. Even you don't belong here. That would be me now I don't think so I think. Keith, would be grooming you. Like just for the volleyball intramurals just. What did you think of that? Pretty decent volleyball. Jesus. The next thing that I thought might be that could lay some psych words out. Loud. was. So that's who are selling to what they're selling. But the next question is like, how are they selling the so effectively like it's it's great. Keith say I have all the answers but had you convince people you actually do? and. Actually I think that I think that part of that is just meeting those belonging this needs and like achievement needs or whatever. Yeah and then you feel happier as cult member and you're like, well must be it must be yeah. Must be the magic they're selling keith must be genius so that that actually gets you pretty far I think but. There's there's also some more sophisticated machinery here that I think is might be interesting to talk about. So so one thing that I was struck by was how much people had to sacrifice to to join nexium into progress through like the straight path in whatever partly in terms of money but also there was the sort of like psychological investment component. So. We already described the EM's in what those look like. Essentially you're doing something that looks roughly like a therapy session in front of an audience. And so you're you're disclosing these things that are. Painful I think they're often things that people feel a lot of shame around and probably a lot of insecurity about and then with your coach. WHO's the? That's what they call them right the. People are I'm not in the call Ma'am I just. that. The coach is doing a couple of things. Some of them look like reframing I think is what you call it if you were in cognitive behavioral therapy. But I think the other important part of it is that you're doing this in front of a bunch of people and the at the end of it after you've gone through this process of talking about these things, you're you feel so terrible about they all love and accept you the the end which I think is I think is brilliant to go back to that. That belonging this thing right like. they could be they could be using whatever bullshit techniques they a say the coaches are using right but I think that the biggest thing there is that they reveal these things and they're okay at the end of it, nobody still loves them. So let's think about how much and maybe you can give me a psychology word for this or something but like thinking about how much investment you would have in that being a positive story you know like which another reason that wouldn't be a good cult member because I'm finding like well, this sucked. And I sucked and none of this workout. But like if you're in front of an audience bearing your soul or whatever I think you're going to want to tell the story of while I did that and they re framed it or whatever the BS buzzwords they use, and then I had a breakthrough and I felt just amazing and we all hugged and cried and it was great like you're GonNa be so invested in that being a positive outcome that you can make it happen that way in your mind don't you think? Yeah, I absolutely do. And I also think it's genuinely awesome. Self disclose something and to have somebody accept you after that at especially if there's one hundred people that are doing that. Yeah. And if I'm super lonely, right sounds amazing. That was a a little bit of a tangent. But the point is like nexium required a lot of investment financial investment but self disclosure is a form of investment right? You're being. You're being vulnerable with people You're you're telling them things about yourself that you wouldn't necessarily tell everybody and so that requires like. A very real form of lake. Psychological investment. So this is this is a nice illustration of something that costs a lot which is that they will require these displays of loyalty and commitment and investment in the group, and they will do in a way that like slowly escalates over time. As, you get deeper and deeper into the group. and. This relies on actually a number of real classic like Social Psych type mechanisms. That are. Real big and like attitude change literature in the compliance literature. So think like Shit, the used car dealer STU and stuff low balling foot in the door. So one that I think Sarah illustrated. Pretty beautifully early on in episode one is that she's talking about how she just paid three thousand dollars to go to the seminar. And she gets there and her first reaction is it's awful. It is really shitty because it's like a VHS tape of some lady talking isn't it? Yeah. It's just another with a terrible power suit and she's talking about whack a mole and it's just it's awful and so according to economists, right? What should somebody do? They just paid three thousand dollars and it turns out that thing they paid three thousand dollars for stupid if you're if you're rational was yeah, right demand your money back and Lee or something. Yeah. Yeah and if it's non refundable, then like you should just cut your losses. Stick it out through the seminar sounds like a sunk cost fallacy which. It totally does sound like a sunk cost fallacy. Yes. Oh, that for anybody who doesn't know is the idea that like a lot of times. When people invest a lot of money in something and it turns out to be disappointing what they should do rationally say, okay I accept what I lost this money but I'm gonNA leave because otherwise I'm just accepting that I'm also going to suffer through this experience that I paid for this crappy but humans are not rational. And so what people typically do is there like all right we'll stick it out. I've already paid all this money so I may as well stick it out. So funny stupid story about this when I was in college I was in quote unquote the honors program and there's a lot of cool stuff about that. Like cool. The took these little seminars and stuff and. Me being a kid who kind of did all that stuff you know like whatever? That's whatever it was. If it said like it was a gifted and talented whatever. You know I just can't tended to do that and thought. Okay. So this is that again, I should do that and I remember having a conversation with somebody who was also in that but was an economics major the reason I bring it up and she revealed to me. Like she was I. think she was a year ahead of me in pretty sure if I'm remembering correctly and she you you come to find out that the honors program is not actually quote unquote graduating with honors it's a different thing. For some reason yell at graduate with honors I think is just GPA based. I WanNa say if I'm remembering correctly. True. Yeah. And so if you get a three point, five euros something a three point, seven five or something whatever it is and the graduating with from the honors program. Effectively does nothing like you get. Maybe there's some benefit that I don't remember didn't find out about. But so this this friend of mine was telling me that this was a classic sunk cost fallacy because you get through the main stuff you had to do in this honors program was in the first year and we you know most of the time you just do it and blah, Blah Blah and then you get to, you don't have to do much into it. Until senior year, you have to do like a final project. And she was like, yeah the sun cost is like you find out it's not really worth it but then everyone just does the final project to 'cause they did the first year and whatever and. I took that to heart and I just didn't do. So I took the class for the final project like there was a class and then you had to complete the thing and I did the class and kind of went along with it and came up with an idea and just never did it. That's so funny. I actually did the exact same. That's Awesome The only difference at my college was that if you if you did the final project, you got to have the designation in Latin. Maybe. That was it. You get some meaning talking colts you get something you did get to put your name on the program differently or something like part of the honors, but it wasn't anything I just remember especially you know as in the business school like I probably wasn't. I. Wasn't sure what I was going to do but one way or the other I made the very lazy calculation that I didn't WanNa do this final project I was like I just not doing it. And Yeah. So anyway, sunk cost fallacy. Yeah exactly. We didn't come succumb to. Yeah. Yeah learn to quit things faster everybody. That's why message give up sooner. That's the main takeover. From this we've gone off the rails this back on track. Aren't. That's the end of part one. In part two, we talk a little bit more about how cults keep people and all that, and then we talk a little bit about human on trump and how much those particular things resemble colts plenty more import too. So here's the thing I'm GonNa. 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156 - THE VOW w Johnny Pemberton

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156 - THE VOW w Johnny Pemberton

"I am Pucca Romaine. George Chen and you're listening to sub DOC since two thousand fifteen we've been recapping documentaries with our guest from TV film comedy and more. and. Today we cover the Docu series that the vow on HBO. The story of the whistle blowers who left the cult group in nexium started by the smartest man in the World Keith renewing. And who wouldn't want to get self-improvement tips from the smartest man in the world after a decade as a leader of Nexium Sarah. Edmonson finds herself blindfolded and Brandon, as part of an inner ring of sex slaves, blackmailed and desperate to take back her life. Directed by Jehan New Jayme and Karim Amir. This film relies on insiders revealing their own stories along with hours of archival footage and today we are covering episodes one through five, which are pretty fucking wild and there will be spoilers in our conversation. And our guest joining us is Johnny Pemberton Los Angeles comedian actor writer Gardner and reggae enthusiasts. He is the voice of Peanut on the Disney show pickle and peanut and can be seen in the film twenty one jump street neighbors to men band of robbers action, point tone deaf, and the Oscar nominated in the loop. The also plays on NBC superstar Max on your the worst and start on the Fox series son of. Janis host of the vanguard podcast live to tape Onstar Sarbanes audio, and now here is Johnny. Wow. It's so hard to listen to your own bio I leave it. Well, we also were more difficult than. We. Thought it was ironic that you call yourself having a vanguard podcast half because otherwise. I I take the meaning of vanguard to be different than I. Think a lot of people do. I think to me more like, Hey, you might not like this not so much like I think a lot of people think the vanguard is like. Cutting edge and leading the pack which I don't think that's the case at all and my in my case. You don't like is key. Leader next on my God I just didn't even think about that is. What has to change that says soon as possible but opposite isn't even matter because I mean. That was the probably the first time that was read in the last three years. Hasn't been updated either. So there you go. Are you doing in quarantine man? How's it going? I'm having a great time. You know I think. I've I think I've settled in to whatever this is now so. It was bumpy first but now I thought there's just sort of this is just a way i. just basically I think what happens I forgot about so many people are just forgot they existed now it's. You know some as I remember. Song. The per person to see about once a month and now they're still live. Okay. Cool. Yeah. It's nice. It's nice to bump into people. Once in a while I just saw two very good friends just half a block from me that someone I a slow street next to my house. Do you have been la a slow? They put the cones out i. wish they did something probably someplace it's been not places I've seen recently. Yeah. God's. San Francisco. It's like every three blocks has a slow street. One is right next to my house and some brilliant person put a basketball hoop out there hell. Yeah. Yeah exactly. So I went out to play the other day and there's these two dudes shooting around like full gear. We can play some twenty one or something, and I love that it's two of my blake oldest friends who I haven't seen in months. They actually had found this hoop is well, that's like what the guys doing here. It's like the only hoop in San? Francisco, basically, they've taken down all the rims I know. What happens in the core? Shit the vow guys what do we do? How do we tackle this monster and it's this is only one through five. Yeah. Yeah. It is a monster. It really is a Lotta fucking. It's so white it is so white. It's also just very like. I don't know I was I. did not expect it to be. Such a slow burn. It is a slow burn. You're right and that's kind of. I kind have a problem with this doc series whatever the fuck it is. Only because basically because of that because it took like three episodes for me to be like. I want some confine I, want some like let's get to the crime stuff you know. Yeah. Tell us this Amigos Keith is a creep out the gate that fucking gate do. They. Really are beating around the Bush I mean I don't know if you guys must experience a lot but I feel like so many documentary series now are just just always at least slightly too long if not the way too long, right? Yeah. Yeah. Making a murderer kind of started that with the ten part series but I mean that Shit. Brilliant. I mean making a murderer. And captured everybody's but like tiger king and shit like that. Yeah. Just like Oh, this could have been the world's greatest two hour documentary but it's like something you can make food during not miss anything. Yeah. Yeah. There's A. It's. and. Then there's some ducks like like Class Action Park. Have you seen that yet I haven't seen I refu- I don't refuse to watch it, but I made a movie. Based on that story. What Tall Action Point that came out? Okay. kind of like to little fanfare I spent three months in South Africa filming that but So that's one of those things where it's of like really can make a documentary about this thing that we spent all this time make. And it was you know harrowing and crazy and stuff. So I mean I already know everything there is no about that place everything because I liked played one of the characters on in the movie were you like one of the stoner highschool dudes that like? Yeah when people works at the Park Nice. That's Who did they have the leader guy the guy that through it all together the older. Yeah. That was that was Johnny Knoxville. He played their character in the movie or changed it a little bit because there was issues was making it look like it was Jersey in South Africa. It looks like California and Looks Dry as looks like Jersey or is that what it is Jersey or Newark something's in Jersey Jersey so so they'd change the story line to be about. Southern California by everything everything else is exactly the same totally the same. An interesting. That's that's hilarious yeah. Watch South Africa. Has Anyone here seen what the bleep do we know? Move that Mark Visentin made I. saw that right I remember in the early dvd days and it was just like what what did I? What did I get into right here because like when I realized was that guy that was his credit is like, oh, he's a he's a very famous director. He made what the bleep do. We know like this this these is a match made in heaven. These are all idiots that all belong together that was it is kind of a good thing I know a little bit about that and it's a lot of like. Pseudo science right is like. Yeah clip where like they chant over water and Marlee Matlin just like looking at the water crystals this water crystal represents love and just like why what is happening? Yeah I paid to see that. Oh. You pay to see what the bleep I mean not in a theater y'all why we thought it in sort of like a weird infomercial about quantum mechanics and like it's kind of like the secret type stuff to law address. So yeah. Just, out the gate I was like I. Don't trust this guy at all and is it because he South African or is it because he made that documentary? Honestly like his accent doesn't bother me a lot of South African accent bothering me bother you were then well. Okay, you've hung out with a lot of. It. So it's like a clipped New Zealander it is. Yeah. It's a little weird. I love that accent there's Different types of South Africa. Okay. Because there's Sony Affront languages, they're they've twelve official languages. So there's there's guys who are like Afrikaners, and they have like that superlight like the word accent is one accent. Yeah. The downward accident totally. Guys are hard core. Afrikaners. Those your fucking. Afrikaner just like your like the toughest person I've ever met and you're like. You look like you've been sitting in the sun for Nineteen years. It's it's like. Oh. My God, like pure leather pure weather. So Johnny did did you hear about this story before this? came out. We're not at all. No. I was like George mentioned it. I was like, okay I'm going to watch this. And then it was like of the things were HBO doesn't really have it like promoted. I think they do now. But when I start thinking, I started watching it right away when you told me about it and. Haven't heard anything about this at all never. I was in the same boat I had I had never heard. I. Mean I guess it came out like the story star breaking well, even mentioned it in episode five I guess that there's this the New York. Times. As we don't know how to put this out because fucking donald trump is president in the world on fire. Yeah, it doesn't. It's not hot enough fight the whole the evergreen kind of thing I guess guess it kind of isn't evergreen in a way you know. Yeah. Absolutely. White people starting calls in sex slaves. That's like be forever I. I remember hearing about it. Maybe twenty seven th I heard about the branding and so I started reading a little bit up on it I think actually. Oh Yeah I remember now I think it's when the knife came out because a knife came out. Okay. Not The band the knife when they decided to launch this platform to to look at objective news. I. Think there was some article like on Vice Refinery Twenty nine or something that was just like Oh this company that's making this news objectitivity website is actually connected to this crazy other story. I think that's when I first heard about it and then there was a CBC podcast came out I think that must have been twenty eighteen that it came out uncovered where they really go deep into it and it's someone who like. Reporter who grew up with Sarah Edmonson like knew her from Vancouver or something. That's the main woman right Sarah Yeah. Yeah. The one with Nippy Nippy and Sarah Yeah Man nippy Sarah Dynamic is outstanding nippy. That guy makes the documentary for me. He's like they put they put her on her but Jonah, I can't believe they would do that to China. Can a man I would want to go in there and take a hawk sticking straight up hit them. His. How did you get in this man? He reminds me it was it cutty. NFL that. He's kind of he's like putty was a hockey player from Michigan. Exactly. He would be a red wings fan for sure Oh. Yeah. Yeah I do I. Do love that Guy I felt like. I. Wish he was immoral. Really. Oh I know yeah he comes. That's my point. I guess what I my thing is like they should just started with them. Well, they have that thing with keep bearing the lead like the talk about that woman who had keeps baby episode four. That is a big deal to have someone's baby and leave the coal. Yeah, like that seems. That classic thing we talked earlier about how they make these things. So long right because if they just hit that right away, you'd be like, wait a second clearly something's up, right yeah. This could be a three part and not an art or whatever. It is nine parts I one, hundred percent, but it's it's I mean, let's talk production value though like it's beautifully. Made. It's also appears to be beautifully breaking several state wiretap. Laws. I mean. It seems like like, how do they do? How is that possible? It's crazy how they record everything every every fucking thing dude every surprise the brandings like the videos they probably do have any of them being brandon but it's like you know it's very somewhere showing be surprised that they record everything they recall they. I. Mean it's one of those there are there are moments in this doc where I'm like is this a reenactment I can't fucking tell. Yeah. I. Think nothing is except for when the one time they said reenactment, you can kind of tell because it's kind of you know it doesn't feel so great. It's also on tape. Yeah. Exactly. I just couldn't believe that shit was just yeah it's like the whole thing. Nixon right wasn't Nixon's undoing how much recorded? Yeah he was doing and it's like it's the same here where. They recorded so much stuff way but Nixon recorded in got that was used against him. Are you saying? The their keys way. Who's gone me I don? I feel like the keys. The outcome of this because I haven't cheated and looked at everything I'm the same, but I'm sure that like. I don't honestly acid or no but if Keith is in prison which I don't know then He. I'm sure some of the had to be corroborating evidence to right? Yeah absolutely. Yeah. I. Mean it has to be because they have literally ten thousand hours of just phone us that are crazy. For someone like even just like putting this this podcast episode together day we were like, do you have like quicktime or can you record on your and it's like well, maybe like these guys that we're talking about like the iphone three like similar while ago. Recorded everything. Have you ever been in a cult? Have you ever known anybody that's been in a cult? Well, your what I have. I have never been in a call I. Don't know who's ever been in a cult I did grow up Catholic which I think is close that's the biggest one. Yeah. But also find can the Catholics least have a pretty damn good time you know what I mean there's a lot of. Involved that is true and it's a sleeping involved. Sleeping but about it. Seemed to me the most the most What I kept seeing every time, I would see those scenes of them in the meetings and stuff was reminded me so much acting class. Yes. It's something about I think it's like the water bottles. It's the people without shoes on wrenching lot of stretch out like emotional stuff and places environments. We can tell everyone is like people are fucking tired people don't want to be there but they are there like if felt so much like some of the first acting classes I took in La. I mean, it's a to a t right which kind of makes sense to me why so many actors involved in this because it really is like It's the same thing as acting class dude. If you have like multi level marketing and sashes, you're gonNA find a fucking actor. Holy Even. In classes like levels and stuff, you have to get into two zero one like to try intensive thing you have to audition and and all these acting classes. Even the best ones have these took a cult of personality who is people who will never work. They have taken many many many classes because they're being diluted by this person who is very charismatic. I've had some teachers who are just strikingly charismatic and It's like, wow, I mean they really do they can be really helpful but the same time they can also be they could they can separate people from their money. That's their job that is. Their job first and foremost is to get that cash and then be like, let's do Meisner a little bit. But some of that stuff is so similar to this stuff for teaching nexium. What kills me is all the sub companies to this thing. You're giving someone this fake thing that you've invented a thing where well, what's your name at what Allison Mack is the president of of s O K, which is thing what we do where we we analyzed the shoeprint you make, and it's like what the fuck no Oto Bullshit. Right right. decided it's a thing because it's like, oh, it's elevated. This thing that we've we will wagner shoeprint, but it's actually when you walk in a room, right? Exactly sex such amazingly elevated bullshit like it's it's genius. fucking brilliantly genius. It's evil. Brilliantly, genius. That's how. Stuff works. I mean you you hand people and you endow them with something you say that this important to it and they take it and they want to grow it because they want they have self worth that's involved in it, and then you game it is. A video game, we have to send them nude photos of yourself. So. You have to say. Playing for an correctly I don't. Yeah well from what I, hear you have been. It's It's fucking startling that people who seem like they're really really smart and put together well can fall for that stuff you know. It's funny what they said I think it was episode four maybe five about the. How they did not want to go after people. Just. Go after the bad. The bad press because it allows people to go into it. With his idea I came here with Keith Sabah's some sort of a scheme basically where that's why you have all these people who are very smart and capable in this things because it's like they're such you know such go-getter. So always people the kind of people were be like, Hey, man, it's okay. We don't need anymore lemons good. You know it's like just people who won't fuck and chill out. And it makes sense that they they just they're so hungry to to have something to do something else that they get caught up in this thing because. There's a reason you don't have a lot of any when it's all the same type of personality in that. He said to me. Fearful people that can't think critically here's something and freak out. We don't want those people. Want the people that can reason things are. The ones that just just freak out over nothing. Wrong with that critical thinkers. And I think that is brilliant. And I would say with such confidence because like in some ways, it's The Guardian at the gate to make sure that we get the best. Hey, folks. Sorry to interrupt the show with a plea, but we'd love to ask for your support if you enjoy listening to subject, would you please take a second support? US unpatriotic after five years of recapping amazing documentaries. The cost of running the show is growing and we could really use your support and as a thank you, we have some cool gifts. So please go to patriotdepot dot com slash podcast and support us with even dollar a month. That's P. A. T. R. E. O. N., DOT COM SLASH SUPP DOT podcast. We would really appreciate it or you can go to our website and support us through pay pal thanks and back to the show. Let's talk about is odds I for one when I was growing up I grew up poor and my parents I wanted an izod shirt. So badly because I grew up in the eighties, the prep thing was huge I wanted I wanted to fucking pop that collar on one and alligator and my parents bought me I don't even remember the brand it was like Lati- gray or Yeah, it was A. It was a and not the I was. It was like a Fox, not a tiger not knowing you know maybe I'm wrong. It was a fox on it and they're like, here you go. Here's your izod and I was so fucking mad I was furious at my parents they didn't know what like the alligator thing that created a hole in your soul that you had to fill with becoming. In and then then you would have been victim to a five thousand dollar. It's only because you didn't have five grand that you wouldn't have fallen for this. Right exactly I just like watching Keith walking around in his fucking is odds this entire duck series pisses off even more and fuck in volleyball. Like, what is on Alibaba? Is Odds and volleyball is he's an eighties villain. Literally, generation. Yeah Yes seems like he's stoned a lot of the time. Does in the kind of stoned. It looks a little stone I a theory because they talk about how he was such a child genius. I'm like this is like an example of like a child's genes someone just told they're so special. So yeah, and that's just like metastasized into like pure sociopathic sociopathic at this point. He definitely, even though I did do a little research, the I Q test you took he was like in his early twenty s and it was not the scattered IQ tests that we know and it was like a home test. So he all the home test, all my Iq test you know we all stake. The old home Iq test and I q tests kind of suck anyways. Mensa like people that just want to feel special. Not that I want. I don't want to start a war with their there. Anything on this insurance finest star wars sets starting wars scientology. It's like. Really. I only they can do anything to you anymore. All they can do is like email you a bunch. He's GonNa send him more emails. All. These emails are really pissed them off. Yeah. We did We did an episode of the Scientology Dock with l Ron Hubbard's grandson. Okay. Let's our guest and yeah, it was pretty awesome because he was you guys you're gonna get followed now. Yeah. That's the thing about scientology that kills me is that I think the people who are scared of scientology is what gives them fuel? They can't do shit to anybody. That's it. Just like the NRA the same thing I've done a bunch scientologists canal bunch but a few hike. A high level scientologists and they got out and it's like you talk to them and I'm like you fucking scientologists you you kind of you grew up when it and you want out it's like a thing where. I think it's so much just. Feeds into their whole thing. Yeah. Absolutely. Is Back back. Back is back in. Europe in L. A. and he grew up in I think he's a guy who's like you know he's a scientologist like I'm a Catholic. Surely I'm yeah. Exactly. I thought I had read that he'd like went back like he kind of left for a while then like when I I could just also very Catholic that is very Catholic as you get older you're like maybe I should go back to the church leave for thirty years I guess want something to do that doesn't involve running Oh, I just needed Neil just a couple of times. That's all I need. It may peace be with you indeed D. also with you. Thank you buddy. Yeah, there's a lot of heaven. Oh were you Catholic to Gye went to Catholic high school, but I totally didn't believe in it. So I was like the guy who's just like checkout this bullshit. Failing math at the same time. So yeah. I did not get. I would say I was abused by a priest but non-sexually just got physically knocked out of a chair one time. So Oh wow, that sounds that's very Catholic I know we paid for the privilege to be I wish I had that now. I mean, it's of the options. It's the better way to be abused by. You have to pick the to what did you do? Oh I mean nothing I just got back up at the chair like I? I. Yeah. I was the one that got in trouble later at that school anyway. Separate podcast we'll do about our Catholic. Experiences. Yes. I know I I'm not a big. I've always been obsessed with cults though I've always. It really interesting and like you know, my mom like took the personality quiz like the dianetics quiz like when I was. Like. Eighth grade or freshman in high school or something, and it was like a huge thing in the family but also my mom I was. Worried because she already, it was involved in a multi level marketing thing like I like to tell people, I am a tea tree oil air. I'm the beneficiary of generation, a multi generational tea tree oil product. So much it's going to last for one hundred years. That's should expire. So is the thing and I'm like. In this stuff like I got toothpaste, I got like dish soap I got laundry detergent. Everything has a faint tea tree oil smell in my house I mean just because she's she's still I'm still I'm her down line I. Guess I mean I don't get it. DID YOU WHY IS WATCH On making a God in central Florida, I watched the first couple at Josh's in it as well. He's great in that. It's actually very, very good show expected announcing standing it's good water parks. We already talked about like the marks and yeah, and and like multi level marketing, which is actually what they are. One of the things are nailed for is just racketeering, right? That's one of. Their sex trafficking. I. How many sex trafficking docs do we have to watch in two thousand twenty guys there's been so Did. He know apparently just unearthing two thousand is just Oh. Yeah who? Fast after that one. The DOC. Is Ba- Ruutel. Brutal one for sure and renew. He has a child porn charges to and underage sex with a minor and was episode four where they drop in like Oh. Yeah. Then he had sex with this sixteen year old who ended up killing herself outside the compound and the regular the woman he who has baby and she left and it's just kristen yeah. The lawyer. Yeah left a long time ago. I do. Pregnant, impregnating people to is that that's one of his things right is like trying to convince you that the word gets like what's that other thing we watched the? You know the the girl, their neighbor, just kidnapping the girl over and over again the parents let it happen like. That that I mean, that's a different level of of. In plain sight alien. Yeah. That's a little bit different kind of brainwashing but. I've heard that it only takes like seventy two hours to really get someone to be vulnerable the brainwashing you just got to. Wear him down. Yeah, and there's a fourteen hour sessions write. The introduction to NEXIUM ESPN is like fourteen hours. Keith does the best he just says that thing where he doesn't respond. Right and that seems wise because. It's a trick documents like. Interrogation documentaries you know or they just if you let someone you leave a camera on your ballsy enough to not. Ask them follow up they will just be like. I because she was there and and Know people will just. Hang with it saying hang yourself with your own rope kind of thing. By your own petard yeah. Happens all the time and all it is. It's just like it's kind of like. I don't know some. Day I think it's a little bit unethical and it's like a little bit manipulate people are so media savvy now that they recognize that and documentary like maybe four three or four years ago. When you saw that. That's how you label someone as the enemy documentary. Right? You have them you show them putting the MIC on. She doesn't like being awkward because every human the whole fucking world is awkward on the the sitting down to be interviewed. So but they show just that that's like this. Thing with at McDonald's Doc. That got me is that they like the the red herrings kept putting the but they weren't accurate hearings are just putting them in there like maybe this person's bad because there were showing them fumbling and maybe the seems that they're lying they're actually the most credible person entire documentary. And I feel like that's A little bit manipulative to the audience you know very much. So yeah, I just had this conversation with the buddy because we we just covered capturing the freemans and he was like I don't think that was he didn't think that it was manipulative the way the DOC was made in our conversation that we had in our last episode we got into that and I was like. Well, let's talk about this. You know like, let's Think about what you saw the the facts and the angles and the music music has a lot to do with Mike God. It's everything it's crazy. You could show anything. Once you put a little something behind it it just changes the color of an entirely. Yeah. Absolutely I mean you can just put like someone stomping on a violin and it's like, Oh, this guy's fucking guilty producer well picture to do that for the last minute. So else and like we're just stuart like dastardly villains laughing about the money we've stolen from like blind women and go to our hatred up talk podcast at feature. Yeah it is at. Docks of ever not had some sort of point of view i. mean you mean filmmakers are human you know They're human and they're going to have after spending hours and years with people to you're going to like somebody or not you know. Well. How did you guys feel about how obviously setup? So many things were in this where it's just like I'm like this is mark and Sarah's like self exoneration footage essentially what it feels like to me maybe. A little. Mirror harsh on these guys than. If fell almost like they thought go Keith but I'm mark felt like. Oh. What we can do is we can make a documentary about this and that will save us So that's sort of was like they're out and in a way. That, but the same time it's like well, you gotTa do you got to find somewhere to get get something out of this otherwise, you're going to get two bowled over by that by that Seagram's fortune. At Secrets Money Yeah. Seagram's money runs deep holy Shit. When I anyone know at at George when you were absent for a second Johnny now, we're talking about like I haven't done any real research into this at all I don't know what happens to Keith? I. Don't know about the sentencing or any of that. So I don't know what happens to old fucking Seagram's ladies. I guess in that in that sense, you are exactly the same place viewer of this program. Episodes one to five would be. They are dropping obviously I. We're not even sure if it's eight or nine episodes at nine nine episodes also, there's a couple left. Clare Bronfman I believe is charged and. Yeah I think a few of the higher up women Allison Mack and Nancy and Laura her daughter. I think I don't know if they flipped on Keith but it seems like at least I, think Alison flipped on and yeah, the sentencing is yet to happen. So it's still essentially meeting that's going to happen. For sure for everyone. But definitely for Keith I heard got delayed because cove it. So I've done a little bit of reading, but I'm not super deep it. Alison flipped Yeah Oh and there some footage that I had never seen before that I just heard about which I'm sure they're gonNA drop in episode nine of like okay. So I'm skipping ahead. This will be covered. I assume later but Keith runs off to Mexico. He has a place in Puerto Vallarta John. How connected they are to the government in Mexico 'cause like Anti Fox's family is deep in the sap world he and Alison are together the he gets arrested the cops take drive away with him, and then Allison's like running after the car. That's. Pretty clear like literally like that's my master, what will I do without my master and? I was so uncomfortable watching the two of them like kind of flirt and it was like it was just. It was unpleasant. Well we're saying they have footage of everything they have audio of everything and footage of everything including the first time allison meets Keith and all those terro-. was like the most Awkward Shit. was you're acting class that was hardcore acting class right there man yeah. The do you guys ever do lock ins? Do you guys remember? Yeah I don't know what is locked I'm from the Midwest to Jenny I think we had more lock ins out there it's it's like a church thing where they have. A YMCA or a gym and you spend the night there it's like middle school kids you just basically spend the night getting into all kinds of shenanigans. You don't sleep just stay up all night and maybe laid out for an hour but it's not like really needs saying yeah. Then like one kid like Finger Bang somebody and everyone's like. In like. There's maybe a pool or something. So. WAS LIKE I missed out on a lot of stuff. Yeah. But that's what this reminds that scene reminded me. So much of like whenever I see Keith I see like a middle school kid he seems like he's twelve or thirteen with his Bandanna and as long seems so insecure. Hey so I was just do him. I was on top of a new thing where I talked to my dog like I'm Keith and shut. He's like one of the people in the next. Like. So what do you want to you? Do you want to to shoot in the grass. Everything's grass. Have you thought about that? have. You considered that? That's is that that's what that's what everything is. Everything is is grass. The right not barking. Have you thought about? What do you want? What you can see taller if you really wanted to. What do you want cats are there that's pain that is pain and frailty. You can have chocolate you can do it. You can does it hurt? It hurt doesn't it think about that? It hurts their whole. Thou shit man that's hilarious. Keith reminds me of like. I just I've had. Throughout my life, I've known people like Keith and I've seen them. Like a few times in my life, they come in I used to work at a bookstore with some dude just like Keith man and he was a metaphysics he was in charge of the metaphysics section. and His name was Patrick and had really long hair and bright blue eyes and you'd be like, Yeah Hey and he was the biggest backstabber I've ever fucking my life. It's that whole fucking like dead shit where like. Peace and love than just ask. Patrick. Every time? This guy's just like that with that like soft gays and like nicely trimmed beard and ship don't trust those motherfuckers. Three inches taller there wouldn't be a nexium. Short. Yeah I. think that's I think it's I mean it's sad to say. But I think it's kind of the case sometimes is. A sometimes people just aren't okay with being the little shore. It's okay to be sure it's fine. That'd be cool to be sure. But short people start branding people man that's where that that's what happens that whole power trip like do you think he had good intentions at all when he first started? I don't know I can't think he did because where you know the first episode at least maybe second one last stuff my makes sense is not outlandish what they're saying. It's Sh- maybe a little bit cheesy may become a bit like okay. You know I kind of like you know I like I like weird badge, Shit too much to. Listen to too much fucking Kraut rock to get into this, but it's like. You know I can see how it's. It's almost like anything. It's like any sort of Christian thing where. It's not so much about the messages, the taste, and it's like, Oh, a few have like bad taste or interesting tastes. You're not coming into this because you're just you're just like stuff that's more maybe more challenging are noisy right and so it seems like Oh, this is just kind of innocent. It's boring it's more just boring. It's not as bad. It's the Beatles versus can yeah, totally. Yeah. Absolutely I mean I I don't know I I feel like people like like Keith have like good intentions. I'm using air quotes that nobody can see but underlining all of that is a giant hole of insecurity that they're trying to fill at all times you know and so a little bit of this a little Kissy on the lips over here a couple of sashes over there and The lips kisses dude this has been a very gross watch. I have to say for watched capturing the Friedman's I'm like this is pretty Out of home footage. No Yeah I don't find him charismatic at all but like like Johnny said, it's that thing of like being quiet gets viewed as wisdom or mystery. Stillness quiet but it's also that thing in America where we think serial killers are handsome. Well, we don't think this guy was a serial killer because this is GonNa go. To the body shame Keith Rainier but I think Ball. He plays so much volleyball. He's gotTa be in. SHAPE. He's Well, he wears those tight sweaters. This is odd sweaters. So you never know if this is David Foster Wallace headband and long Oh. Yeah. Totally. who he was tall I mean that's right. Doing different stuff I guess in A. Life I don't think he. I don't think that Keith was had good intentions by the early two thousand. So that's for sure because I like when you see him doing all the sales training essentially he's into deep. Yeah. Right. He's like it's like completely amoral for for being all about ethics. It's like very rural which is. Not, the same thing ethics and morality. That's the kind of thing where it's like you know I I love Marshall Applewhite because Oh. It yeah. Because the guy like he looks crazy I'm also a big fan big fan I. Mean I'm very interested in Branch Davidian, what's his name rush rush just like I just think this people super interesting because it's like these guys are nuts they're. Fringe But they're super charismatic and you'll love to watch them talk 'cause they're just like. Man I know you're fucking crazy but I want to ride in this insane boat with you just because it's like everything else is so boring with yeah. It's like you don't get that feeling. You're in this fucking crazy boat it feels almost like you're in this. Doesn't feel like. Crazy. It's like corporate Manson now that I think about. Like Manson. But like what like you didn't have the counterculture to go with it? It's like the Super Boring like Microsoft Ninety s Bill Manson, such a good description like i. Valley Albany also who's been to Albany like how did this become thing in Albany? It doesn't make much sense to me, but also I love that all the the. The, there's all these clips from the Times Union and I was like I don't know this paper. This is not like a well-known paper. The Albany Times Union. Someone's job was like you're on the Nexium beat like for twenty years like, yeah. I kinda have a file full of all these weird cases like a girl killing yourself. Some people trying to run away like a bunch of lawsuits. There's like a horse ranch now like they just like to be like a local reporter who just got sucked into this is got him and there is a character I would have liked to seen like. This they have the New York Times guy and he's like his take on is pretty good but you can tell he's just like, yeah, you know this doesn't have quite the heat to compete with yeah, Shrunken Mark Ruffalo, and their beyond what was that? Yeah. Yeah Yeah like I'll. I'll my God I. Love that movie just because Ruffalo. Going so so method yard. Highlight the piece of paper I do all the highlights. Yeah. Told me did you find this to be crazy? Number one mark ruffalo impression on this podcast, you've ever lily. -solutely. Yeah. That's the Dalai Lama part and really. Hard it was hard to watch. That was very hard to watch like I was like run away. Yeah. I'm just maybe dress up a little bit. You see the Di Lama. Maybe. Maybe just something simple. Maybe just like all black I'll wear all black or something kind of an interesting looking that doesn't have a brand on it. I like a fucking like a north face jacket or some shit. It's His Holiness for Christ, sakes what the fuck man Tokelau balls where like a big ugly puffy jacket and to see the Lama I'm surprised you didn't wear like a horrible Nehru Jacket or something you know to be like I'm you know put his hair in a ponytail at least to see the something I feel like he's a dude that would have Toshiba's I don't think they've shown him with. Alli that to me always like either a tech bro or a cult person is a total. Yeah, some crocks for sure. Yeah. Yeah. There's some. There's some toes shoes in. And, that's going on also saw the. The Guy who set up the meeting was just like basically the Bronfman Bronfman money was just being donated to a guy who is in the dial llamas inner circle, and so he set up these meetings basically and I I kind of like, I, like. Wait. What did you say isn't that the guy who is inside the? Inner. Circle. Was Not the article I just sent you. It's. This Guy Donvan, he was an organizing events for what did he do? He was getting money from Clare, Bronfman let's see. This is the. DILEMMA ELLIOTT LLAMAS. Assistant Yeah Assistant. Yeah, this is refinery twenty nine, our call I just came across Holy Shit. So the Dalai Lama's assistant was getting money from glaring and Clarence Bronfman's Seagram family to do what? Oh to get the meeting to get the meeting Yeah Yeah Dan this is deep. Deep I heard some. Free to the alarm can't be you know it's A good point. It can't be free to see Dalai fucking busy man. Yeah. That's a busy man. Wow. But that's kind of that's kind of odd. Well, dominions are paying for. So much of this they're paying for lawsuits to kind of tamp down the bad press. Yeah okay. Let me ask you guys a question. You start a cult who you go you need some cash you're gonna go for you going for Johnny, who you GonNa, call whom I going to ask for money to start called. Hey Mark, Ruffalo. That's a good one. Yeah. Yeah. He's got. He's got that avengers. What about you George I mean. Do. You have a friend who was in involved in venture capital who's been on our show but I don't think I can convince them to invest in a cult. Like. What does here's the business plan and like that is illegal you're not getting right building pulled off. If I just I don't know it's like thinking someone who is connected to someone with like a well-known family or something would be the way to go. Yeah. I'm trying my circle, I don't know any royalty per se right. You don't know any like. Someone who owns the clippers that the son of the La Lakers or something in Los Angeles. Weird. Like like are we have different podcast is like like a mid scheme? Identify like, yes have the string and okay this. This is my up line. Would I house you've been. I think what I really like the names that calls come up with those are always my favorite. For. Sure. Like it takes it's like and not like all the different logos they had to come was there there must few graphic designers you and I kept thinking about Immuno Guy Stephen. Glass. That reporter who falsified all those? You know, twenty years ago right. Remember how that was back in the time when if you had a website immense something Oh yeah and he had a do html steps, he would make websites fake companies to corroborate the fake stories who is writing. That's how he was able to get away with it for so long that's what I see with Nexium is all these all these bullshit companies have like Oh. This is a company called the lift where we talked about children's issues. It's like you guys just decided this was a thing and Guess what guess WHO's in every company ALICEA MAC is in every fucking company. That kind of stuff I was like pausing it on the ground laughing out loud. Because to me. That the the idea that stuff to me is just the most laughable insane like. Total Bullshit ever the we've created a company, it's like. Like mail it to yourself. Well, that's my that's almost like that. Yeah. Because copyright they just made like a slightly slick thing. It looks real and it's almost like a invocation because you've made a website in a name for and decided this is a company. It is a real thing even though it's just the same fucking people right who are just sleep deprived designed that this needs to be like a subset of your of your psycho psycho. Group. Feels like kind of like Lar Ping or something but then that's sort of all this whole. It's feels very American right it's. Made like child prodigy genius who's just like well, I get to have. I get to control a bunch of women that's ultimately my goal. We we not even really gotten into the branding stuff. Yet I don't think we even have touched on the branding it. No, we have not. Too Strong. That makes sense actually because if you think about. The branding what will we literally just talking about was branding Andy but not in the sense on skin right? It doesn't matter you're just as. It's a brand. Of randers. Yeah exactly. I think they probably had the lady that designed the swoosh in at one point. That's what brought it up in. My mind was seen the brand that she shows because it's like so deliberately calligraphy and kind of like it's so brandy. Like and then they were showing some of the companies that had been made in. There's so many s o p they all have these ridiculous little brands and so word Presi gross. Shiny and grow your next plug in on wordpress. Yeah. Yeah exactly. Yeah. Right. It's it's odd but that's legitimacy that is it's so easy to fool people man it's so easy and especially like in the world of reciprocal links if you have reciprocal reciprocal. Outlets saying the same thing then you can just say listen it's not me look look do your own research man. The knife was seo company or something I was like fixing their Seo for them essentially. Yeah. I if you had told me that. Sarah. Edmonson. Just had like an affects twin Tattoo I would have bought that. Just a weird trying. All right I kind of affects. The doesn't. Johnny off topic real quick, and do you know the band kill? Dozer. Listened to a longtime. They from Rochester. Are they from that from Rochester? MINNESOTA. Yeah. I, don't know I mean they could be. Look I've heard that name before is they're based on kill dozer the A. Guy The guy who Mar Marvin Hehmeyer yeah it is. Is there. About that, there's a documentary. Came out right yeah. Tread Netflix's I'm scared to watch it because I think I. Loved Man so much I. Think he's the greatest guy ever live probably why? Why do you because it's like something about the fact that he pulled that off and he didn't kill anybody but he destroyed all these all this bullshit something about it's like if there was a marvin, he meyer now. They're just needs to be like a thousand. Marvin he Mars, just driving through walmarts and like the White House and Shit, you know what? I mean. It's sort of like watch playing cut tomorrow democracy or something. Like that guy stuff. I mean just but his whole thing is. Just his he was such a hard liner about anti-bureaucracy that. It's a dying thing now like you can't be considered and Hebrew bureaucracy and easy you either like considered a member of the outright or considered a member or terrorist or they all left it's like. It happens now you get labeled as one of these organizations that is so politically polarizing you can't just be someone who's like I can't fucking believe their picture they chained daylight demeanor changed the building codes and they're making me pay for I like that you're you're like. Like centrist rampages I really. Am I truly am I'm advocating eight hundred politics sponsor it. I might sponsor and others rampage. He gets me on trial I'll I'll take a look. Disney plus. Yes. You'll be the Soros of the central centrist terrorist rampages there. Also that guy in in San Diego I don't even know why yeah with tank. I. No the dog doesn't doesn't talk about that guy but there's the guy in San Diego who was ex military and he stole a tank in trove it down the highway. Remember that. The rampage blake guys going crazy taking tanks in their own hands. He Meyer built tank. That's the. That was a genius. Okay. Marijuana's that's more than mechanical genius. When he had monitors and stuff in his tank and? But it makes my hair stand back my neck. Gets time. We'll have you back to talk about tread. Tread. It's good. It's good. It doesn't. It doesn't paint a very flattering picture. Well, he was probably he did have something going on there. That was a little screw loose but FRY SAM time. Fuck. Those guys. I agree men. Cherish me to put in a sewer pipe. My gravel pit. No Way Sir. So yeah the. Yeah. No the branding is like yeah once. So there's going to be people listening to this who have not seen the vow and you should But at some point we find out there's a secret society within this fucking secret society where it's a women who are being coerced and brought into the secret cited. Basically, there's a master slave relationship in they're being groomed to have sex with fucking Keith. What's it called again is a name for it is it's What's at Stanford again, men dominate dominance. Yeah don't. Nerdy like for an eighty nerdy side wearing volleyball. To like preppy correct computer programmer guy like it's called dust. And they're wear. Sashes. Yeah Yeah it's it's but it's pretty heroin. It's like they have to text each other if they want to eat. They need permission for calorie caps and stuff like that. It's absolutely who knew up. Yeah. Exactly. ADDS money. You don't have this reminds exiled I did a thing when I was. Years ago after college trying to find job in Minnesota, I did something I took an interview with someone called Vector Marketing. And I think that's like one of these companies that serve like cult-like like A. Parent company. Something about this stuff you're talking to like it reminds me of that shit where it's like this. Weird. Like, we're having fun man Pizza Party like whole like Oh we're doing pizza party aren't you in no I'm not. Take the job there for a while. No, I got a guy talking to got rejected because I said some stuff that was Sassy on the. Exit Forum after my day long working for free walking around anyway. Pizza coupons. That's a whole other thing but I mean. It's just funny that this this is like like you're saying it's like this multilevel marketing thing and it's just It's part of the same same shit. Oh, absolutely. Did I grew up in Michigan that's where you know like Betsy Devos, and all those fuckers. You know that's their whole fuck you know the whole just forgot the name of it What's her? Thought she was a printer company, right who the Hewlett Packard or no nothing else no. The Devos is do that multiple look multi-level. Amway thing. I didn't know that she's Amway. Amway family. Yeah exactly. Exactly, where where I grew up son, you'd have a good friend and then give you that look and you're like what's going on and can I talk to you about upper wear? No stop as please stop yeah. It's like because there's nothing else to fucking do what are you going to work at the? Funding. The battery plus place. Or like you know, no one has jobs in there like I can make some money if I recruit my friends to do this horrible shit. Here's a question. Do you think like if Keith wasn't so Horny, he would just like things would have just kept going fine like there would still be existing as like in all of these true crime dogs with dudes that fucking subjugate women if they if he just fucking masturbated more often probably everything would have been fine I'm going to say that was not an impediment in this case probably think you'd probably was just it's probably up lamenting it all but no, like control. Control Control and the yeah like. All the blackmail the collateral that was like. fucking. If you're like, Hey, I can get you a week at the punchline just send me a dick pic I'll be like, no I'm not going to yeah right. Thing. So I saw some friends talking about it on twitter like I. Wonder if I could be one of Keith Ramirez. Slave women. But she's she's already skinny. I think the ideas you gotta come in bigger so he can throw you down. Right? He doesn't want. He doesn't want him to start. To start skinny. He wants you to like he wants to manipulate you into this state and that's what he gets off. He gets off on like we've done this. We've I've done this to you. I've created this this this physical form. I. I heard somewhere that it was actually because he thought anyone like a little bit bigger than him would could physically hurt him. West. The right there. Like Oh. God. All. Sting. He's got his kneepads on his fucking headband and like. Many of them to like I. Can you picture him in him? Nancy Hookup. That's in the back of my mind I'm like did that happen because she's like like kind of like She's a she was a real therapist at one point had pulled into this whole thing. She helped him like set up the whole thing did. I whatever it's just of all the gross things to imagine this there's plenty of. Things to think about. Without. Adding anything yeah see. Well we have four more episodes to go gentlemen. Form. Drops bombs. God you've got to drop some fucking buyers and I need to know of India gets out. I don't know and don't spoil it for me George do probably no do you know the okay I don't and I'm hoping that India gets out. Okay. I. It's funny. It's like it's so la where this woman who is on dynasty is driving with her mom was the of users. They're going to they're. Like. Why are you fucking driving? Point of money is so you don't have to drive right that's one of the first things. For hundreds maybe thousands of years. If you're rich, you didn't have to drive the never drove. nope. People used to just put you on their back you drive not. Stupid. Okay. So let's Let's wrap this up with would. So we have episode one through five like what was what some themes give me a team game your take. When we got here and what would you name your your? Oh you're all. Yeah Yeah. ooh. Let's see. Let's see my by my would be horseshoe. Is Pretty good actually. Yeah. Thank you because the energy that goes back and forth I, can fourth in you harness it and you shoo it and you can gallop with it. I'm trying to think of like an acronym. You can say that. It's not quite a word it's like Oh this is this gamp. Ugly. Get no jam Cam rate, I think what scam stand for it sets gentlemen against Manley Frontiers. Some bullshit? Also, a Peter. Gabriel album. Yeah Yeah. We started trust and it's with Z.. Trust, trust with Z. Trust. Tech companies get named just like. Take the Zingo at the end. Yeah. Zinger lifts third overlapping line. The culture is so similar to like when you're talking about like the we're having fun at work culture like. so much silicon valley. Take a piss inside. It's Kinda does. Oh Keith's pissing in the corner now. Everyone else do it. Indoors. I GONNA say episodes one through five I'm. I don't I find them to be somewhat unreliable narrators to degree because they are trying to kind of. Get themselves out of a situation. You know I thought there's something I didn't like Nippy at first, but then I kind of like nippy more as it goes on I'm like Oh yeah. Nippy is like nippy. The man is a very straightforward like. Have and kids. Of painted the walls with their blood. Like basic a real person. Exactly like a real person. You sell we will go to Tim Horton's you fucking. So we're GONNA go so I'm hungry now okay. What I'm hungry because we didn't focus haven't lunch and it's three o'clock. So what do you want what he say? That's it. I'm going to start this thing called. Look sorry but I just had to smash something. You knew at an anger when you married me, he's not a real Canadian. So he has that American like fuck shit up energy. Via. will say serious cursing now many people are good at cursing she is. She's good at it. That's she's. She's people who like Oh you got, but you're a gator. Yeah. Someone who? Is Good at getting people to Yeah Oh definitely G. is definitely, very good at that and we'll see what happens six through nine I though. Episodes one and two were a little slow three, four and five grabbed my attention and I think this is seems like a masterpiece of production like I think the the filmmakers have done incredible job of fucking sewing all the stuff together so far. Yeah. So it's the same filmmakers that did. Wh One of them did the great hack and and they think they're doing more stuff. It's sort of like. critiquing like it's not a text story but is sort of like a media manipulation kind of story. So it's kind of similar in a weird way to the great back and yeah. But what a weird I don't know if we learn something about greater about the world through this documentary, I definitely had a bit of Shuten Freud at it because I'm just like it's I mean. You had to have five grand front. The thing about India is Katharine Oxen Berg went first and then brought India in. That's not that she actually was the first one in so she. Dick to the mom actually did it oh I didn't definitely buried buried that because she's embarrassed about it but she end up writing a book all about. Yeah. So I. I. Definitely, that sort of setup quality of covering their asses but I do WanNa see this place burned to the ground. So I'm enjoying that part of it. So my shot in Florida I had towards them has sort of modified to be just like you I just WanNa see I just WanNa see this thing get taken down yeah. That's the only Steph. Absolutely, because we're not going to get other assholes taken down probably and the larger world so it's like if we can have this microcosm. down. That's the best we can do at the moment. That's the only thing I. can I keep thinking when I watched this thing? Yeah, Louis. Well Gentlemen, let's stop it here then. So we'll have six through nine to discuss coming up. I. 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Who Are You?

Fame is a Bitch

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Who Are You?

"From workhouse connect in AJ Benza. Vein. He liked to be walked on a leash and play really dirty kinky sex games. He's the guy put the cop and the peacock network. Okay bitch. Hey, everybody AJ Benza here for famous bitch. It is January second twenty nine teen. Actually, it's not January second. I'm lying. It's actually December thirty first twenty eight sitting here during the podcast now getting out of the way because I plan on having a wonderful evening and wonderful new year. I think this year is going to start off a bunch of a bunch of really great stuff in my life. The life of the show and whole bunch of stuff. But I'm sure I'll be I'll be tipping off to those things as I knock them down one by one. But. Watching a lot of TV, you know. This. Is that weird week? I'm sure we all experience the same thing you kind of feel like nothing's going on. Now, a lot of you work. So for most of you, you went to work and yet can like AJ with the fucker problem. It's it's the same. We now it's different for me because I'm home doing the podcast their relatives were here. The gone kids are off from school. It's just a very strange, you feel like this week doesn't count, you know? Like like, yeah. I know, you know, rent is due and this is it just feels like wait a minute giving give me a break. The you're just ended New Year's just began. How about a grace period? But really this last week has been the grace period, I'm not ready for the new year. But like I said earlier, I'll make it work. But I couldn't take the fact that the last few hours of twenty eighteen had to include you know, that park land highschool pain in the ass. Emma Gonzalez, so I call shake Vara. I know I'm gonna get shipped from people. You can't talk badly about a high school kid, especially when they were in a in a shooting terrible terrible thing, they'll never get over. It will probably never forget it. Now making fun of that. I'm not making light of that. But if you tell me someone who's involved in some kind of awful situation, I have to like or put up with the rest of my life. I don't agree with that. And especially if that particular person decides to become very political, and actually perhaps even used that shooting that awful awful horrible event, maybe possibly push her gender on other matters like the whole gender situation. And if you saw the other day New Yorkers known them talking about. Ama- Gonzalez is up there in green jacket that looked like the one they give you if you win the masters tournament. And she saying how in twenty nineteen in New York, you will now be able to change the or the f- on your birth certificate to an ex. And then you get to fill in whatever you wish depending on how you feel that day. You know that big joke Andrew dice clay used to say, you know, you flip a coin today. I want hair pie heads. I wanna hear pie tales balls across the nose is. It's not too far off from that. You know, ladies, you don't like the size you kids. Just give yourself an M. Guys. You feel a little too emotional this month? Maybe once month you start to cry. Check the box. You know this. I look she basically went on to say that all non binary people and transfix she said to them, we see you we hear you all by the way, speaking of that. Did you see and hear that crazy bitch who was going beserk and some store because the poor Clark referred to her as a, sir. It's ma'am. I'm a woman. Would you have missed gendered me? I want your corporate number because you're going to be fired. It's fucking, ma'am. It's like a Chris Farley skit on calling these for now on I'm calling anybody questionable, sir. Ma'am, sir. I'm just covering can I help you ma'am, sir. Just cover all your bases because you will lose your job one day because shit like this can't go wrong to cover yourself. Why aren't scientists up in arms over this situation? Ex-exits female x y as male end of story, you can dress an act, however, the fuck you want, but chromosomes cannot be changed is it because most scientists who work for the government and continue to get money and grants to continue to do shit is because the liberal what do you think I could be completely wrong? But you know. I'm happy that I came up with that whole liberal scientists government granting. The sounds important sounds like I know I really don't. But the point is I've heard from people who know things that most scientists are liberal because they're giving money in grants that keep working from the US government. So why would you go against what the US government is telling you to do if you want to keep working and putting food on your fucking table. You won't you will most you scientists who talk about climate change and that and enclo- warming as it used to be called are on the payroll. All the shell not going to get into too much. Let's stick to what really bugs me with my comes to fame and all this shit. I just think that there are people know more about this stuff. I shouldn't have to hear from fucking highschool kit. I don't like this and pretty soon you're people so in two thousand nine hundred New Yorkers can change their gender. On their purchase tickets. And you know, what you'll eventually you'll see every other state doing the same thing. I'm sure the next ten years. It'd be like we'd they'll fall to the pressure as well. And you won't need a doctor's note to do this. Can you imagine this? Listen, you can change the letter next to the column to a smiley face, and it won't change Jack shit for me the letter m or f isn't what's holding you back? But I'm sure these people these gender fluid, whatever the fuck people will find something else and somebody else to blame for their unhappiness, honestly, most people in this country do not know what SIS gender or nine non binary means. They don't the lunatics are taken over the asylum. Did you see what Tom Ford said the other day in interview actually interview was awhile back, but it came up again, Tom Ford defames fucking the guy would turn Gucci around the designer. He said, I think all men should be penetrated. At least wants to better understand women. Hey, listen, Tommy stick to making suits leave my ass out of your science project. You know, how how long before we're allowed to change our race. When can I wear a scheme? Ask in my license picture. What are we call a man who identifies as a woman, but as a shaved head what does that call? You wait. If you're waiting on the guy to restaurant quick, how do you trust this person with that without getting a lawsuit there going to be fights arguments everywhere, people will not wanna talk or be hurt. We'll just be a silent society. We're already we're halfway with behold our fucking phones and walk in the street on trying to drive today and people are just on their phones crossing the street. No one's looking for their own life to be saved. They just walking and expect us to not run them down. Remote back today. You you'd run into a guy who liked the strike up harmless conversation. You know, those guys are always nice guy. Just says something in elevator says some team in the store, you kind of or automatically feel warm to that person. You know, I'm not saying they're going to say something, you know, jerky and weird, but just making conversations. Nice. It's a connection. There's no connections anymore. But I'm not doing that. I'm not starting conversations anymore on the street. No fucking way. I'm just with its inviting the lawsuit or a fight. I wish Trump would change his birth certificate to female chain. You imagine if he ran for president in twenty twenty as a woman of fucking Hillary would die. Oh, my what I would pay money to see. Hillary have to look at Trump and a big giant pantsuit? Oh my God. Listen congress. I'm now Donna I'm now Donald Trump. Okay. I think Don just that and a Donna Donald Trump Beckett. I would I would pay money for that monthly to see him run as a woman and stick it up Hillary's ass. Anyhow today show's brought to you by third. Lov third love designs bras with breast size and shape in mind for an impeccable fit and an incredible feel. They got more sizes at most of the brands third loves the industry leader with seventy sizes, including the old signature half-cup sizes quality, and every stitch it's convenient skip the trip find your fit and sixty seconds with third loves online fit finder. Order trying on home. No more awkward fitting room experiences. Third level double the number of sizes than most of the brands offer cups from eighth or h bands up to forty eight. 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Remember that God is the world change since. Then if anything we're starting to see just how nuts and narcissistic some of our Hollywood superstars are. I mean, you know, Kevin Spacey is always been an odd. Dude. We know that that's that's part of the reason why we loved his acting, and we still love his act, and I got no problem shouting for his demise. Love him as an actor. You know? Hey, even as even video on Twitter was filled with tremendous acting now for nothing. Including he had some pauses in there that would make Harold Pinter turn red with envy, but the real actor Kevin Spacey case is the young man who had the cool and calm to Snapchat his alleged molestation that night with Kevin Spacey. When he put his hands down, the guy's pants and juggled his bulls like Stallone juggle, the bulls trouble the bulls, not from an old show, your new people. But last time we spoke, I remarked. What did it mean that there was evidence that this actually happened the kid and his mom said this evidence to prove this? I don't know what that meant. I said unless there's a picture what is evidence here. Is the kids DNA under Kevin Spacey's fingernails that that police pull a print off the kids not sack. Here's the bottom line. How does a bullshit accusation like this turn into a criminal case in the courts and basically waste taxpayers money. The kid lied about his age Spacey and the cops that's number one. Number two. The kid was being served alcohol as a minor at his place of employment number three. There are no witnesses to back his story. And he was at a public place of business number four the few second, long, Snapchat. Video apparently shows Spacey touching the kid's shirt. Basically, no the contact. That's what I've heard. I haven't seen it. Number five. The kid didn't follow police report for sexual assault in a public place until intil the me metoo accusations against Kevin Spacey began to surface and number six the case was not investigated until nearly a year later, but let me tell you what really matters to me. Maybe it's not being caught by everybody who reads the story, but this kid hired a lawyer name Mitchell Garabedian, I know his name through my buddy, Neil Gumbel Garabedian is a guy who goes after victims of abuse in the Catholic church, and he's gotten a ton of money for for for many, many abuse victims people who are grown men now from years before in one of those people is Neil dumble and he's awaiting his his payout. This could look like all. This young man wants payout. When you got Gary bidding on your side, you going for money because he's a shot like that. And the jury might see it that way as well. And that they look at it that way, they might go ahead and declare Kevin Spacey not guilty, which is the way I think it's gonna go. I really do. So Mitchell Garabedian involve in here could hurt could hurt the prosecution I hope to God. And for sake of rule of law Spacey sues this kid and the DA formulas militias malicious persecution. I think he has a case to do that. And we already seen that he has a big parables on them. What that fucking video. He made holding the Cup. Basically is advertising that the British monarchy. You know, put the fucking nine on him or loves him. He throw the stops out of that video. So he's got a big pair of brass balls. Maybe he would go SU who the fuck knows. But no matter what your opinion is base is a what he may. Or may not have done the past. This case is ridiculous based on the facts and the testimony of the police officer who made the report. It just it's not going to go this kid's way. And you're all going to scream and go. This is bullshit. Kevin Spacey's a creepy is. Maybe he is. And I'll be the guy likes guys he likes guys on the younger side, we know this. But this, particular instance. I'm side myspace. He sorry. Let me just say this too. And this show is going to be a bunch of little difference nip it's things I've caught in this week where nothing gets done, basically, Tiffany haddish. I've already had this girl. It's not her full. But I'm gonna tell you her fault. But the fucking media through her at us and made us like her you gotta like this new black comic. She's the best. She the first female black hostess, the first African-American shut the fuck out. Let me just hear jokes. I don't care if she's the first the suck in, you know, Swahili just let her talk. Didn't take much for Tiffany haddish to to just fuck up the end of twenty eight teen by opener big trap. She gets on Twitter. And by the way, her wig was so I love this word a skew my God. She looks you rancher a fucking windstorm to get through a phone. But. She thought she's so cute. She's putting on the big smile, and apparently a fan of hers at one of her comedy shows gave her a fur vest, the sleeveless vest, and she was wearing and she said sorry pita. But I'm aware my third everyday to cop stop killing black people. You know, these these assholes just regurgitate facts, and they don't dare try and see what's true. And what's not true? They just say whatever the fuck, you wind him up and tell them to say, by the way, you know, what should I wear every day since cops have killed more white people than black fueled by a pretty large margin twenty seventeen and twenty eight what the folk should I wear what what tweet should I post about what the fuck I'm wearing. But he at what should she wear to protest all the black people killing black people. That's that's really a big question. And I'm sorry. But I gotta say this Tiffany haddish needs to get that mole removed from beneath her left. I I know she's the new girl, and we can't make fun of the new girl. But listen to me. No man likes getting close to her and seeing that thing that's going to become another face on her face. If she ain't careful Genesee the movie had to get ahead in advertising. All my I forgot about this twenty two twenty three years ago, I stumbled on this movie, and I was obsessed with it. I made every one of my friends watching it's about a guy who's got this mole on his shoulder. And he keeps picking out it's bugging him. And he's working in advertising, and he's picking it. And then we go by, sir. The moles getting bigger and bigger than it sprouts hair in the course of a few weeks in a month. The fucking mole becomes a face. Then it becomes a head. That's on his shoulder, hence, the title how to get a head. And it's so crazy the mole's got teeth. It's almost like a conjoined twin? That's what I wanna see Tiffany, haddish mole. And that looks really bad when you're up close and at the older, you get those moles get bigger. Ooh. So. So I feel like that moles going to have teat soon and a hairdo soon. I now that I told you that's all you're gonna think about to take the fucking mold off. It doesn't make you cute. A Tiffany haddish. I got pissed off the other day because this chick name BB Wreksa. She did something that a lot of girls are doing on social media, and it really pissed me off, and it has a lot to do with fame, and what people think about themselves, and where they stand with regard to infamy and fame and popularity but this BB Wreksa. She slammed. This this athlete. She didn't name yet in an Instagram storage. It's got seven million followers. So she told a bunch of people, you know, she said to this guy de ever have that one guy that always comes in and out of your life. And they are cheaters and they waste your time. And then she shared a screen shot of a conversation between herself and his football player. Nameless. Who seem you know concern because he hadn't seen him for a while. And she then went on to criticize this guy suggesting she wanted nothing more to do with them. She wrote you married, and you have three kids being good role model and players sports Lee. The fuck alone. Don't be texting me. Hey friend, especially if you're married, man. Sorry that shit don't fly with me. If you guys only knew first of all to fuck BB Wreksa. Okay. About the ten percent. You know, she is. I know she is she's a singer who's also. Written songs for Riyan Eminem and Selena. You know, I don't mean. Who is? Yeah. Who the fuck that? She thinks she that's what I really mean. And that goes for every other girl who does this kinda shit. I see it all the time. There was all it was a form of porn star. A mea Khalifa who shut down a couple of NFL guys who slid into her DM's God forbid, your porn star. You're on fucking social media. A multimillionaire athlete wants to tumble with you. He slides TDM's. Everybody single. Does it? That's how you meet people nowadays sliding into DM's is the new note in high school somewhat of a new trend. Now, where girls got the shut you down for having a nerve to do that. It gives some women that metoo muscle without having without having to suffer the real indignities that some women unfortunately have suffered at the hands of some creeps. I see women. I know ex playboy playmates actresses who haven't really worked in a long time a bunch of models, especially Instagram models and his girls are single. They're vailable women they're beautiful, and sometimes they just pop off on Facebook and put a Porsche muck on blast because he had the nerve to work up the liquid courage to say he loved the take her out. Yeah. I know sometimes guide goes too, far we've all been there. But I supposed to believe that you really feel threatened while you're long onto Facebook for fuck sake. Grow appear block is account. Log off right in back and tell them you feel uncomfortable. Reading those words. But for God's sake. Don't go public with the guy's name and other information if he's really saying seeing shit. Sure, I get it on behind you. And I don't envy being your shoes. It can't be easy being a beautiful woman. Who's that? Every guy trying to get laid with I understand that must be horrible. But for God's sakes. Don't go public with the guys information, you know? And you know. There are a few things you can do just don't put him on blast and possibly room his reputation. It it's not worth all that. It shows. How shallow you are not how shallow he is? You look evil not him. You know? Memo. We can men we thought writing on a bathroom stall for good blowjob, call who'll of Amy that was considered the worst thing ever. Now. Look back fondly on those messages, at least we couldn't tap our fingers and in a few seconds. No Amy's last name or family photos where she works. What what middle school has seven year old daughter goes to, you know, but that to be this one's a huge self promoter for for the girl waits attention of any kind. There was that time last summer. I don't know if you remember when she walked the red carpet hand in hand with Rita. Ora Rita Hora at the MTV VNA's in New York. And then then they puckered up and kissed the cameras and then last month she was on a show called Sunday brunch. Where she rejected this guy named Olly murs live on television at the she made an appeal for wanting a British boyfriend. There were doing a cooking segment, and she said other any cute single English guys out there, and she's poked fun inability to to cook. And she said the wants to marry a girl that can cook giggle, giggle. So from across the studio this guy Ali, you know, raised his hand. And he says I'm over here. But she rejected him. I don't want another singer fuck you. But the other day got me pissed she was on Instagram, and she showed this exchange between the stude-. You know, all the guy wrote was women. I see you my friend, and she actually got a plug in. She goes all be performing on NBC for New Year's Eve. And the guy goes all my God or on TV or not on TV and again with the plug AVI performing in San Jose and januar-. Meanwhile, remember the dude open with my friend and she texted back ex. Oh. Why did she make this thing before she went club? The guy you're married now. Three kids be good realm on a play your sports, leave me alone some shit, though. Fly with me she wanted this to happen. So she could blow it up like this, especially what the big opening line. She wrote ever had that one. I always comes in and out of your life. Shut. I. She should be happy that anybody even asked the question. Where can I see BB Rex up performing no one's ever asked that question? And also had if she thinks his tax was inappropriate. What did she respond? You just ignore text that you deem, bad or inappropriate. I know Honey everybody wants you must be so exhausting. Listen, ladies, let's call this exchange. What it is. It's entirely possible. This guy was trying to get laid by slang inter DM's. It's also obvious that she's trying to get some press and have people be aware of who the hell she is. I'm sick ac- Innis. But now that I told you about it, you're gonna see all over social media. These women who I know are lonely that like being bothered. I hate to say it. The secret is guys a lot of his girls want to be treated like shit. I it's not what I wanna do. It's not the way I was raised. But a lot of these girls. I really think they do. I think if you come across polite, they slam you. That's a whole show. Chick from next the pop up the slave sex slave cult leader, Allison Mack and Keith religious him in the paper today. They're really grasping at straws. Now her defense team, they're arguing that the she isn't guilty inducing force labor because the church of Scientology would be guilty. The same thing that's lane as you probably heard as a precondition to joining the. This the sex sex cult women were required to provide some sort of collateral which included anything that was highly damaging in terms of information about their friends or family members, nude photographs. And these slave that they put together sleighs were we're told that the collateral could be released any number reasons, including telling anyone about this cults existence, or if they're wanting to leave the cult so many of these slaves were branded on their pelvic. Gary's we did this show. They were cauterize with a pen and a symbol and incorporated. This sicko Keith Rainiers initials and during the ceremony. He slaves were required to be fully naked, and then fucking master with auto one slave to film, the branding while the other ones restrain the slave. They knew what the fuck David doing. They knew exactly what they were doing. But the fact that the fact that the that the defense is relying on but Scientology does it too is horrifying. It means. They got no case not that. They had a case before they're basically saying we're guilty. We, you know, this is bad. She's going away. You know, they did a two is it worked for politics and kids not much else. But this Allison Mack is so screwed if that's the best she has to work with and speaking of Scientology. You know, that was a big. I'm Rebecca today when I started to learn more and more about Scientology when I was first introduced over twenty years ago. One of the big statutes was that people kind of knew that L Ron Hubbard was mentally unsound. And I forgot who told me this could have been Joan severance, but in one of all Ron Hubbard ridiculous books. It's actually he actually points out when anything bad happens in your life. When you screw up on you, make bad choices and things don't go. Your way you're told to look around and pick someone to blame it on. 'cause it's always someone else's folks. Never your full. So this is the basis of Scientology, and the fact that house in that in a defense team is looking to incorporate that are employed that. It's good news for us. 'cause she's going to go away and good news for the slaves. But terrible news for them. And they're just say, you know, the fact that we're losing our free speech. Every day pisses me off enough. The fact that we're being censored scares me enough. And I know this situation's going on with patriot. Some people are wrote in Britain me and said AJ, I love your show, but I'm not gonna support patron. I'm like, well, wait a minute. I didn't do anything wrong to you. Why you leave me? But whatever the fuck some people just want to abandon patron 'cause they're abandoning some people. They haven't bothered me at all. And that's good news. So let's see what happens down the road. But. Free speech and censorship are being taken away on a daily basis and not only that but they're being taken away. But the rest of society is putting you down for speaking your mind, I'm bringing this up because of what happened with Andrew Zimmer, you know, the bizarre foods host on. No, I think it's travel channel the poor guy. He got screwed is show got taken off the air, basically because he had the nerve to say any restaurant competing with his serves horse shit food. I mean is that so bad is that different than what yelp does? So Andrew Zimmer n- caused a firestorm in the Asian American foodies community over the things he said about the Chinese food that people eating the mid west he called it horse shit restaurants. He made these comments to promote his own midwest. Chinese restaurant called lucky cricket. Interview in some magazine fast company or some web cycle fast company. The first lucky cricket opened up in a mini mini. Not. And in Minneapolis suburban mall, boy magic and Chinese food and fucking the app was anyhow. He said, I think I'm saving the souls of all the people from having to dine at these horse shit restaurants masquerading as Chinese food that are in the mid west. I got no problem with that. We all talk that way. I mean, Anthony board Daines said that kinda shit every show we we we lauded him for it. His basic thing is he's he's trying to coax the the flyover people to try to find a higher form of Chinese food. That's all he said what I gotta do is introduce them to different things than I used to. He said hot chili. But that's kinda who has not actually all. But I understand hand. Cut noodles, you know, real roast duck. I I understand that there is some delicacies that most people do not eat, especially if you're going to fuck in the pan, the restaurant, whatever it's called, which I love, by the way. And he's raised. Pretty much every Asian what agree with them. He's talking about. Okay, panda express. He thought about panics s and these fucking dollar Chinese restaurants authentic Chinese food. Is it a lot of places, but he's talking about the general stuff, you know, Mongolian beef and orange chicken that stuff is like. Chinese people don't eat that shit. We got shit white people do black people do Asians really can be bothered with that shit a lot of Chinese restaurants. I go to you know, it's over salted fucking junk food. It's not good for you. But Andrew Zimmer might be the only white guy who's probably he'd moral Fenwick and good Asian food than the people who are outraged by what he saying. And some people call cultural appropriation. But I call it progress, not a lesion snow Kong FU, and even fewer Asian Americans know, what Asian food really is. I go to Asian festivals. I love Asian food. So I've been to these festivals. I've been to these these these new new restaurants that are opening I love, you know, barbecued ribs Asian dishes that you don't ordinarily see I'm very into trying. But most people think, you know, a rib is Asian food. It's not it's it's gotta be prepared a certain way, you can't just throw Selanne on something called Asian. And the thing is this. There's my take about a inches Amar. I think he's Tony bore. Dane wanna be let's face it that the worst thing the world who doesn't who doesn't wanna be Anthony board danger in the food business. He Andrew Zimmer knows. He never got the respect. He thinks he deserves being chef. And then he's got a cooking traveled drill that can never ascend to the heights and popularity that Anthony bourdain show, did, you know? I don't know Anthony Andrews Zimmerman he doesn't talk and use curses too often. So saying horsh it was a little early ordinary. He's not a foul mouth guy. Does he see now? The now the Anthony bourdain is John. There's definitely a big hole. That's for sure, but nobody will replace boarding and anybody trying to step in and start acting and talking like him better, beware. They're gonna fry their own ass like Andrews Zimmer almost had happened to him with this horse shit remote. I don't have a problem with what he said. And I happen to agree with them. But you know, let's remember this is a guy who eats putrefied shot. Meet fermented skate in South Korea a foodie described as tasting like a hospital floor smells. He's also a guy that ate my favorite horse ribbon, rectum sausage. So he's a guy who really knows what horsh it tastes like, let's give them a little credit. But I, but these people wanna take him down and ruin his life that I do not agree with and real quickly before I leave boy prison officials are talking about Bill Cosby, basically unraveling. Did you hear about this? Apparently Bill is using. There was a conversation overheard or at least recorded in prison. And he's talking about dreaming and meeting his mother, and he's telling people that the prisoners using supersonic pressure on his head. He said, I think they have some kind of I in the cell every time I start writing it goes up higher to see what I'm writing. I think the mirror is rigged. There's a huge satellite on the on the compound their plans to make me, look, totally crazy. So nobody believes anything on saying he's losing guys. Bill Cosby's losing it. Radar magazine had a piece in which he claimed he had a dream his dead mother came to him and in this conversation. He said to the person he was talking to that. He has empathy for those women the women raped. I have understandings for the women. Whether that means I saw what they were struggling through that. I put these women in garbage can know your society, put them in a garbage. Can I pick it out? I picked him out of the garbage and help them this fucking guy. I don't know guys. Is this a deliberate act is Cosby trying to go bananas? We can get out of prison. Maybe go to a mental hospital. I don't know. It's all just speculation. But I'll tell you some he's not as dumb, or as crazy as we may think he is or as we may hope is longtime ago, I rented the Chris rock one night at dinner. My lows sixteen years ago, my debt fifteen years ago would just bullshit about comics one of my buddies wrote for Chris actually won an EMMY writing Chris a white Jewish guy wrote black jokes, Chris rock. I love that about America. I love that about comedy funniest funny at as much as people try and save you don't understand each other struggles bullshit, the truth is we all know what funniest so, you know, Chris was telling me he just seemed Cosby perform, I don't know where but he was amazed because Bill Cosby was doing tuna half hour show twice day. And you know, look, I'm not a comedian. So would Chris rock was telling me how insanely difficult. This is. I would argue with them. But I remember he was like he was flabbergasted that Bill Cosby can do this and even more. So by how sharp and on fire. Cosby was he said he was a little bit dirty. He was fucking smashing people. Demolishing people in news demolishing people in show bizz just didn't give shit and was letting it all hang out. And I know that people have seen the I've seen Jerry Seinfeld. Talk about this particular tour that caused me was on. He saw the show, and he talked about the best thing he ever saw. I don't know what these people seem Bill. Cosby, I know they grew up with him as he was their idol. They all spire to be as big as him. And I think both of them achieve that. But you know. I don't think I haven't thought of Bill Cosby being funny since the Cosby show, you know, but I just wanted to bring this up because here we got caused being a cell telling people how Nazis in how he thinks the cell is rigged and things are gonna happen. I didn't treat girls like garbage cans and society did. He'll fee sounds awfully Fulla shit. Also crazy, but according to the stuff from Chris, and according to the way, Jerry Seinfeld speech, a high regard for Bill Cosby, especially during this tour. Maybe he's pulling fast one on everybody. Maybe he just wants to get the hell out of prison and find himself in a place where he didn't have to fear for his life, everyday possibly, and the and the time won't be as tough, and maybe he'll be Nisa medication. Again, we all know happy to get his hands on some pills any guys as the week continues. I will get the names of my fifty dollars patrons and be sure to thank you all that list is ever changing. And I'm sorry. This last week was not good week for me and Mike to connect. We both were doing different things. But I will as we head into Friday, and I'll make sure that. All of us support the show and support me will be properly acknowledged that's it for me guys AJ Benz famous bitch. I will see you again on Friday.

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10.20.20 ft. Jonathan Del Arco

MZNOW with Michael Zavala

1:04:49 hr | 3 months ago

10.20.20 ft. Jonathan Del Arco

"You're about to enter the world of Michaels of Allah and no turning back you listening and see my boss. Excuse MC now, I'm back on the valve trade. On the what the valve train HBO now the valve broke all of the valve. Yeah. Okay. So you're saying vowel like bowels back in my normal day-to-day now it's going to be like about valid the valley, you know, like what know the valve I'm back in it. So, what did you think I just finished episode to this morning now? We're getting somewhere episode 2. Yeah. I stopped after episode one because episode one was so boring. They had to sit at this whole story. So for those who don't know we're talking about The Vow is an HBO Max bout docu-series about Nexium, which is kind of like if you went to go by Scientology on wish next term is what would come in the mail and I buy a nerdy like El Ron Hubbard was at least kind of like a big guy, you know had this, uh, I don't know energy about and there's like a little pipsqueak nerdy dude that just wants to to bang out. It's really so he has this whole He creates this whole thing the Scientology type thing as as kind of a mask for what's really going on, which is he has a second choice called going on and the background Yeah, well the Forefront was a like a self-help like be the best that you can be, you know. Yeah, and then behind behind it all was a what-do-you-call-it. I'm taking the best of the best women wise and then bringing them back into a secret group within the group and it was branding them which I I just got to the part where they showed the brake and which looks disgusting. By the way. My brand is going to be way better from my sex my gun. I already have a design already hired the best graphic designers. It's going to be fantastic sound like Donald Trump. Yeah. I know brand has ever been better. Are you going to hire Allison Mack design it? Yes. That's the whole reason why I'm even interested in the story is because of Allison Mack I have had a crush name is Matt from you know small really from it was Honey We Shrunk Ourselves. She was the daughter in that. Oh she was yeah. Oh the third one the one that just went straight to VHS. I think. Yeah, but she The daughter and that and then she was on Smallville and I've always thought she's super hot and for all these years have been trying to get her on the show. And you know, all that little did I know she was tied up with Nexium this whole time we were trying to get her on the show and I always had this fantasy we say tied up. Yeah. She she was getting branded. You can't just be free to move when you're getting branded. I thought she was I don't know if she got brand. I think she was the one doing The Branding. Yeah. She was she was like the the recruiter. Yeah, cuz he she was like, so what he did was he would be brainwashed toilet. Well, okay. I mean, it's already been like I know news I know he's talking about and I I did watch the first episode of this and it was rough right when it was like you just woke up and give me get me to the sex slave part pretty much we know all this other so you don't have to tell us how to organize it wouldn't file the LLC and they you know, they they did this they didn't that they filed their tap. I don't care about all that job. It right to the sex life part. So yeah episode to you started getting into that and so Allison Mack was like the recruiter. She was bringing in girls for this this cult. And yeah, I always had this fantasy. I would have her on the show one day, you know on the phone or whatever and I would do such a great job that she would fall in love with me little did. I know that that could have very well been true had I just had this crazy cult. Hey, yeah, you go to pick it out girls that will get branded for me. Yeah. Absolutely. I actually I'm doing that in my current job right now. Perfect off your high already. You already have someone for that position to yeah. She goes by the name of Satan. Oh, yeah. That's right. That's a that's a recruiter right there. That is a recruiter wage. See your Jolene Maxwell. Why don't like to associate with Jeffrey Epstein so no, but she's my Allison Mack. I've always thought about creating a cult that just so long. And just as a joke to see who had signed up for it. Like, you know Alf is the we get our teachings from Alf the alien from Melmac, you know, or something like that and then at the same time I could use that should cover. Yeah, I give you that as a cover for my my sex cold like all cults. It's like if you did then I get too deep into it. Yeah, they're all sects Cults home. I just presented as something else most of the time I'm scared that I do this whole cult thing and then I I start believing the teachings of alpha male Mac and then I just I buy into it because it's so true and that was going to say next thing. You know, I'm Dave crash. I would probably say I would say you more like knowing all at all of it and then getting bored and wanting to leave but now you can't because you have so many followers are you you're trying to escape at this point. Yeah, I'm from and then they make a documentary about me escaping Melmac compound Melmac trying to get a stop eating cats. Yeah. That's that's how we got our nourishment from cats dead. That's how we survive because cats are survivors. See I'm already starting to think about it and believe it already Clark had a health scare this week. We don't know anything about he's been teasing it all week. I've been in the same thing with Clarke this week. And so now I'm starting to get worried about what I should be expecting to see on my my results. So I went to expect I expect you up to and so like last Sunday after I got done recording I had felt a little sick and you looked really bad to well. That's just that's just the net and the nature of things lately month. So I had like this by just the thing where it was heartburn and I took a heartburn pill that my sister had his prescription not the heart burn out but I still had pressure in my chest. Yeah, and every time I sat down it was hard for me to breathe and I was like what the hell is going on here? So me one get on WebMD this week. We were all in the same room together while he is having all these issues so if he had coded wage, Now exposed so well, we'll get that later. Oh, there's more. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I haven't even gotten to the scary part. So I started having my name's these chest pains and I I go to I go to work on Monday and I have to pass a health screening, but when I get to work, I'm all nauseous and I have chest pains and hard for me to breathe. I couldn't pass my health screening. So what it means I sort of go to work you have to this is a daily thing for you guys. Yes every day. I have to I have to fill out questions that have I been near someone that's acceptable Bose. Am I experiencing these systems or have I been tested for covid-19 and take your time mature? They can still but they don't need to because of the screening process the screening process though is on the honor System though, so you don't worry and you got the form you're like did you do this? And you just say no, I'm pretty much is they're not taking your typical we can still take the temperature. Okay, if but if you're still just trying to work and you feel good knowing you may have covid-19. What's up, my chart and says well, hey weren't you in here last week for your shoulder? And I'm like, yeah and that still hurts for those of them know. I've been having this shoulder elbow thing, which I really think is Just Tennis, although that is just getting out of whack. So I I was talking to the doctor and he's like, well you I took a shot in my shoulder to help with the pain which only really helped for an hour that day and they need a prescription which is just basically a pill form of what the shot was that I take to subside the paint and apparently while I was doing this I was eating a lot of spicy food and drinking some alcohol and taking these pills and within a week or about more like five days. I had eaten away some of the lining of my stomach and that's why I was getting this this acid reflux name and I actually developed a pocket of gas. That's what he said. That was kind of underneath or off. I love it's a trap twin know it was might be but it was it was it was kind of resting on my diaphragm, which was making it hard to breathe. I just said hey don't take the pain medication anymore cuz it's what screwing up your stomach stay off of spicy foods and pretty much for a week. Now. I've been eating nothing but bananas applesauce toast and rice. And now you're back on that diet you force yourself to go on for no reason and now you know, no it's it's nothing like the diet that I need because it's pretty much all carbs. That's all it is. So I'm getting a protein. I'm getting a bunch of carbs and I'm really getting note nutrition you need no walnuts. Now, you can't eat that at all veggies know it's only applesauce bread. Why rice and Coast because it's because it's bland and it doesn't agitate the stomach. So without their also thinks that I might have a buck bacterial infection, but where where he said he come back for that if if you feel like nothing has is going right. Actually now, I feel much better. I was actually this close to going to the emergency room cuz I thought I'm having a heart attack me get on WebMD and look at the the symptoms. I had I know I know it actually could have been one of a hundred things, but I thought I was having a heart attack and they actually gave me an EKG at my My doctor's visit so I gotta know they do that on your watch now know yourself a thousand dollars and nothing. Well, I have insurance. So it's like let's break. Uh, I'm real know know if you saw my checking account right now. I'm solve a negative $200 in it doesn't have that. So I got off the EKG. I got a covert test my heart looks fine. I tested negative for covid-19. I think if we Let's test out this new stomach lining you have I think I think if we would have done the hot sauce challenge after I got the shot someone's taken the pills like I would I would have probably died. That's awesome. That would be great for Thursday. You telling well us a story is I can see why now the numbers are going up in different states and even in El Paso. It's because people listen when they're not feeling well do not go out right they home but you went to work to questionnaire and you continue to go to the the studio phone not feeling Horrible. No, no, no, no, no. No, I already I had already passed my covet test. By then he's talking about originally when you weren't feeling good last week when you came to the studio affected all of us with that. I just thought it was hard like my heartburn bacterial infection. Yeah. I know somebody that thought it was just allergies and that's how it starts when you say always just my allergies know it's covered. Yeah, but my name is not one of the symptoms of white people privilege Eric. This is Sean. It is I don't feel good. I've got covid-19 to work. You know what I mean? They talk about. Yeah even just looking like it's a it's a symptom right? You stay home all the time down there now, so, you know, there's a lot of stuff going on in the world. I'm glad you're feeling better clock but you know, I've the other day was filling really just kind of down and you know with politics and took each other's throats the world's on fire and I just, you know with such a nice day outside I decided to pop open a can of Red Bull and put some music on and hop on a scooter and just kind of go ride my cares away. And I recorded it's all yeah, and I have it all on tape and I just wanted to play that for you. I think this is something America really needs right now and off and Me off at 3:18. So anyway, okay, and you're breaking my other leg and we'll be right back some way the way I owe you have questions, both head for the most then Tuesday whenever you felt outside like you're listening to a Walkman headphones my headphones fell out with the old school. Like I don't know. I was listening to a cassette. That's not my old Sony Walkman put in some D batteries back alley is this hopped on my little scooter and just kind of rode around for 30 seconds until I broke my other leg. All right. We'll be right back with Jonathan Del Arco gas. Then a m z now. MC. Now you live off microbes are shadowing flight into the dangerous world of a man who does not exist Michael Savala a young loaner on a crusade to 10 p.m. Cause of the yeah. I'm I'm I'm not reading this. I'm not reading it of all the things he's asking me to read over the years. This is this is this is terrible. I'm I'm I'm not doing it. I'm not doing it. I'm not reading this in Michael Savala. Hi MC off. This is MZ. Now off like us on Facebook facebook.com forward slash. Going through the day what's up? Cuz he premiered and we listening to Michael Duvall. This is MZ. Now. Hey Jonathan, how are you doing? Hey, man, how's it going? Good, how's what are you doing during the wage to keep busy? If you follow me on Instagram, you'll realize that become an addict at baking sourdough bread and deliver and delivering it to friends. Don't ask why it's become a really good time stuck. Now, I know you're big into like working out and everything because of the quarantine. Are you still going stronger? Are you using that as an excuse not work out? Well, I love working now. I mean, I walk my dog, uh about three or four miles a day no matter what that's kind of extra on top of a workout I've been doing yoga lately is there's actually a a great yoga. Yoga class and think she's from Texas yoga with adriene. She yeah, she's amazing. And so I've been doing her classes, but really keeping me saying you're doing boss. I'm not doing anything. I'm just making every excuse I can to not move. I haven't moved in the past six weeks and it's been great. I've been watching Netflix. It's a fantastic. Oh my God, you're like a big cat. Yeah exactly back on itself, right? So, were you a Star Trek fan before getting the the huge role in next-gen? I was I was an original series fan, I grew up watching reruns of it off learned English watching Star Trek and other TV shows. So yeah, I was Hardcore into it. I would stay up really late and fall asleep to it cuz it was on super late at night in New York where I was throwing up. And then, you know I tested for the role of Wesley. So the Star Trek Next Gen was kind of in my world, but I never really had watched it until I did it with actively. Of course. I became a big next-gen fan you as Wesley. I think could have changed a whole thing. But then you also probably would have been asked to do pakar. So just kind of worked out right? That's true. Yeah, I woke up great actually so next gen goes off the air they do a few movies, you know, everyone thinks they're done with the roles, you know, principal. I know especially said, hey, I'm never going to play data again, you know that's awful aging Android, you know, all this stuff and then, a car when you got the call about returning a shoe. What was your first reaction disbelief? I mean, it was actually dead wasn't a call. It was actually a dinner at the Hollywood Bowl with one of the producers of the show James stuff was also from Texas, ironically and James paste it to me dead. To Jeri Ryan. So it was both of us that were sort of presented with a what would would you do it? And of course I would I mean, I don't know that ever going to happen. But you know, this was before Patrick and even a console is really early on the conversation. And yeah, it was it I didn't seem real once I was actually on set to be honest. Now you get the chance to reprise a role. You haven't played since you know the early nineties and you get to work with Patrick Stewart again being the Star Trek, you know, you got to do voices and stuff for for some of these games now you're on screen again, and then you're looking through the scripts and then a couple of episodes later your thoughts that are you like are you kidding me? You couldn't have killed off anybody. Look at all these new actors that you know, nobody cares about you that you know, kill someone else. Yeah. I was pretty disappointed to see it. Um, you know, I I came to embrace it and try to do the best work that I could do, but I was definitely I would lie to I was saying I was I'm getting killed off I didn't want to get off. I had no intention of having that happen to me, but they needed I think that story point to propel the rest of the season. So I guess someone had to die and it was my day. Well I picked about five other people that could have died, you know you if I was the writer on there I would have let you live just just so you know, I appreciate that. You know, it it starts like no one ever really dies. So that's why I was getting that page like, you know Thanos snap half the world, you know away and then the next movie everyone's back and they beat him up. So do you think you can come back at some point? Do you think you have hope that you might come back at a later date? I think you should give up. Hope I don't see it in the cards. I've not been talked to about it. I don't think the writers are that's where they're at right now, but you never know down the line. There's so many incarnations of Star Trek many different kinds of shows that happen and you never know. So I didn't think I'd come back now and here I am could be a magical moment. I could be a writer on Star Trek at some point and we're at you know the internet choice. And I say hey, by the way, we want to bring back you, you know, it could be a magical maybe not as fantastic as the Hollywood Bowl conversation, but you know, it'll be I could I can I can feel that I think that could happen. So did they give it a secret your death of secret until you know the day you were filming? Oh they did. Oh, wow. So that makes you feel worse, you know, no one allowed to talk about it and I didn't even know. I mean, I love the cast members in there before we shot it cuz we all got script post that you know, we weren't allowed to talk about it at all anybody. So, you know all my friends and all the people that follow me nice like, you know watching my shows had no idea, you know, because I had the rollout was a big over the show and for my character and I, you know got such equal treatment to all the series regulars that I don't think anyone really saw that coming. Yeah, they'd invested so much in the character, you know, so yeah, I guess that's the bigger. That's the biggest impact right? Like when Jon Snow die don't know ma'am. Right, that's true. That's true. So a lot of people are saying, you know, it's sad that your character died before, you know reuniting with Jordy or were you a little disappointed you didn't get to work with LeVar Burton again, seeing how your your guys are actors were so close. Very disappointed. I mean, I I was surprised and I I had asked them, you know, why don't I asked about Jordy like I don't understand why the majority is not being addressed in anyway. Well, maybe they had plans for using him later on. They didn't want to muddy up the storytelling. I have no idea. But yeah, I was I would definitely bombed I was bonded in have seen Jerry I was born they didn't have a seen loopy or with with any of you know, Beverly, you know characters of the character initially bought a new well, I was super bummed that we never got to that. Well you're in luck because I happen to be a writer on Reading Rainbow of the online edition, and we're writing you in for a character with LeVar Burton dead. Be great. Okay. Yeah, I can imagine that. Yeah, so I go to a storage rack on every year I started going mostly kind of as a joke a years ago and then I'm like, I really enjoy this. This is a lot of fun. And so I go every year I don't remember seeing you at any of these cons. Do you kind of stay away from the condo know I do them all the time. Oh, okay, actually perfect. Yeah, just missed you, you know, yeah, you don't do all of them, you know, there's life changed over the years. They've gotten bigger and more commercial, you know, it's more like a autographs sort of fair. And I don't really like that part of it so much. I like the more traditional benches. We actually did to meet the fans, you know, they talk and do the whole thing. But yeah, I know they're a big part of my have been a big part of my life. Hopefully will continue to be I know I can cancel this year already write about it. I don't know what the format did look like going forward because they're pretty crowded experiences, you know, so, yep. Um, it's going to be interesting to see how that both sticks out for the truck world and sand and in general isn't a great though, like getting a role on Star Trek is really like winning the golden ticket because I mean you could be a background actor and you can do these conventions until you die. You know what I mean? You could it's really great. Like I tell anybody friends of mine who are actors are like if you get Star Trek if you get a you know an offer for Star Trek take it because you're going to you can milk that four years of your life. It's really great. Oh, really? Oh, it is an absolute gold mine in every in every respect and in terms of convention in terms of needing people travel spending your world, you know, you're definitely you're definitely going to experience that if you're on Star Trek now, let's talk about your podcast Hollywood caucus. Yeah, it's great. By the way. What prompted you to suck it? Well tonight and Kyle Fritz's are a manager and producer and my husband, you know, I have a fun banter of friends before together a show me. Film that I did and I you know, we just tend to go off the rails a little bit work together and he thought that would be a really fun sort of set up and then I said well, I think it'd be fun to have a show where we interview with the industry. Yeah, hopefully I mean I the goal is to get people from every aspect and be sort of political Spectrum, but I don't know Republicans were a little scared to come on my show. I think I loved them on talk about the payments are going on right now. But you know at just get told to shut up a lot, you know, like where we we get told to just showed up in act or shut up and thing or if you're a you're a ballplayer shut up and play ball and I feel like you know, we're we're voters like anyone else we have influence and it's a good place for people to come and share about their lives and their interest in it. Not just awful. People's causes and other things that drive their lives. So, you know, it's encouraging environment for people to come in and talk about how the contributing to the world. But I'm I'm loving doing it especially right now and in quarantine, the one thing that kept me sort of saying we could sourdough broadcast. Yeah, you know, the greatest thing about life is it forces creatives to be a little bit more creative during this time, right? You got to kind of think outside the box and what can I do to push? Yeah content out things like that. So if people wanted to follow you ones on social media want you to make this sourdough all this stuff. Where do they what's the best place to follow you at Instagram and Twitter and Jonathan and I'm also on Cameo with some people a lot of people in requesting cameos lately because they're off board and and or depressed yeah and want a little bit of you know connection with actors. So I've been pretty busy doing those a lot of people connect with the Cameo. Yep. Twitter and Instagram down I I loved I loved like they're basically virtual Star Trek conventions. You know it really that's so awesome. So let me ask what shows are you watching in quarantine? What shows are keeping you busy other than your walking the dog and your yoga and your what else? I just finished Ozark which is I was great. It would be good. Yeah, just love em re-watched and and and watching the finale series finale of schitt's Creek just I guess comedy version of those are a great description. It's very funny show. I guess I'm into seeing people get displaced and moved to rural areas or something. I've been watching view which is a a Netflix show about a a guy who's obsessed with every woman he meets and he's a murderer. It's really weird interesting. And yeah, just whatever's whatever's Poppin, you know on a daily basis. I try to stay away from the news as much as I can. Yeah, because it just completely stresses me out. But yeah all that. Hey Jonathan, so I have a question. So if you could get any Siri that's currently airing right now and television or streaming what series would you love to get a chance to act on I would love to the exact. Yeah, it was on that show and I love like I love how pretty the whole world is and how pretty the work is everyone is very deep in thoughts flawed and you know, the writings phenomenal so that'd be a great show. I would say schitt's Creek to but that's gone now so it's my chance, but the comment would be fun. I'm trying to think of a comedy. It really isn't a comedy. I'm obsessing over right now, but it would be fun to to do a comedy as well, you know in a way from the crying and getting murdered off. Stay away from the body bag. So you've always been open very open about your sexual orientation. But I guess going back into the early days of breaking up a business like too early eighties and early nineties. Yeah, were you always as open or did you kind of feel like being gay kind of hindered your ability being casted? Yeah. I actually did you cast I was I was told as much by casting directors, you know that the fact that they knew I was gay or they thought I was gay, you know, and I would say well I'm not but you know, I was sick. So on. Yeah learning on there wasn't like it was tricky because the really weren't a ton of gay roles and right and I you know, if you came out you'd be a little gay roles tend to be sort of can't be older men, you know, and there weren't a lot of my twenties they weren't a lot of young leading them get characters birth. Openness to hire the gay out to play it straight part so a little nuclear at the time and then as I got a little bit older I told you that caring as much and living my own life and you know into my thirties, I think the profile television really sorry change people were telling much more enticing stories, you know, Nip Tuck certainly playing a character in 1999 and early 2000s. That was groundbreaking and you know, I think it's rolled on From There Will and Grace open the door to gay caricatures being household names and and so I think it's pulled out organically for me the way it is for the industry. You know, I know you playing the hookah lounge I was like I had like there's no drop of anything of gayness. I know there was one scene between you and Eleanor there's they're kind of nineteen towards something, but I know there's nothing wage. Sure to say that. Well, I made a choice about him my choice for working with scripts. But yeah, you you you you caught it. Yeah. Yeah, so I was like, well not always but it was tricky because we didn't have many scenes together and we had to get very emotional moment very quickly and wage. I had to died with his arms and I wanted something more powerful to just like it is a guy that's been hanging out cute for a few days. But he died in his arms, you know, I wanted it. I am an investment for myself and the idea that they were seeing that maybe never you never saw that happened between the two of them. So I'd I wanted to kind of flip that out there. So I just use myself. I you know how I respond to someone like that and the idea of being a Droid your whole life and never letting someone and then maybe but before you die, you do it's kind of a moving thing, you know, so playing roles. Dr. Morales who was openly gay and then also Sofia Lopez who is transgendered woman. Do you feel like it's easy to prepare for those roles, since you kind of have like real life experience being in the you know what I mean t? Yeah, I mean, no they're they're not any different. I would say the only different in that it offers you an opportunity to use more of yourself, you know, cuz you're pulling from your life. So that's good. That's always good as an actor if you can find yourself in a part. So in that way but sometimes that's harder too because if you a little close right because you you're playing who you are so that can be hard as well Sophia. I can have the real experience in the trans World. They you know, the LGBT community at the time was not as inclusive as it is now, I feel like the transgender Community become a much deeper part of the LGBT community and yep. But back in the 90s, there's still some some explanation of trying to I definitely back then there was so I didn't know a ton of transgender people off and I basically bowled the character after my own mother and my sisters. Um, so that's it's interesting of the route island of realistic. You know, what are the women that I know? You know, I'm right. Well, the reason why I ask is I also I'm a aspiring actor myself and I am I'm gay I shoulda seen recently in class where I should chat from American Horror Story season one who's played by his doctor who also is played Spock in Star Trek. Yeah. Yeah. So so doing the scene in it. It really didn't smoke. I guess like him being gay was playing it as myself. So but I was told to kind of, you know, boost up the game this or the flamboyancy. Have you ever been told that I tried dog? For like a opening game or well, it's funny. They they write it. They especially in comedies. They write to sort of chant version of being a is dead and I can be can't be on any given day, you know after a few cocktails, but that's not like my that's not my neutral position or the person you know, I don't you know, I'm not cracking jokes and crack, you know sitting about all the time. So they'll tell you that they'll say they'll write a character that's very stereotypical and they'll say we don't want you to play a gay and you go really wage on the page. Right? Right, so they can go in and you try to like not play a game and you try to sort of be like yourself and then inevitably you don't get the job and then you watch whoever got it. It's not money and so certain degree day and you know at the wrong so, you know, I don't I don't trust or believe that any more. I think they really do want it. They just don't they want it, you know, yep. Thank you so much for being so open regarding your your thanks guys. You should yeah. No, it's been it's been a pleasure man. I hope we get to see you in real life one day if we all survive them maybe out of Star Trek Con. But yeah, it's been it's been a pleasure for us. It's an honor to talk to her. Right right. I have a good morning you too, sir. Thank you. You too. Thank I am. I just got off or that they moved I didn't just let's not like I sent it to me. They sent everybody but that they moved already moved Star Trek on to next year. So I was supposed to be December of the one that they well next year. Anyway, technically it's a canceled it right and then the one that having next year. So they also twenty twenty marks the end of creation who puts on the the convention. Yep. Marks the end of their license with CBS. So now they can't even call it the Star Trek convention anymore. Now, it's the fifty five year Mission star trek-themed convention, but the good news is it's back at the Rio so I can go eat my Buffet go to the convention get tired want to take a nap go upstairs. Never never leave the hotel. Yeah. You never have to leave. So we have Julie on the phone. I've been hearing all these people dropping like flies, you know because of covid-19. We know you don't give up about anybody's Wellness. Why on Earth? You're pretending. I lost money knowing that you were still alive at this point. How much did I owe you Clark wage? I think twelve fifty $12.50. I lost a Clark. How much do I owe? You work ten thousand dollars $10,000 because my thought was the beginning of this whole pandemic you were going to be the first to go down you are you like a cockroach thanks you so is there a question in that or how much I just how much money you owe me? Why didn't make a bet with you. I just I assumed you were going to be gone, but you're a survivor. Well because I don't believe in the sickness on right you're not down with the sickness as I say. Yeah, it's it's a. Process. Right right viruses are a thought process. I don't know. You know, I'm not smart enough to figure all that out. But God, I haven't been sick since October of 2007. What do you sort of that to? What was that sickness? Actually, we want to go into it. My mom was an herbalist and know so much. Yeah almost like medicine know he didn't believe in getting off shots and crap and so like oh, yeah, I'm the flu shots, like people would get it and it put something in their blood to where when people cough around other people all sudden. They they get sick right off. The only thing I could think of you really like the anti doctor falchi like they should have you come up. The other thing I want I lost money on was wage. Was the last time you were on the show during this whole pandemic? I I got a new TV video from you and I was pleasantly surprised because I thought I said something to me by the way, I didn't send anybody we're going to we're back and see you next week. I'll put it up on the screen is a woman of your age looking that it was better looking than I thought and I just I lost money on that page. That's why I owe Eric so much because 5,000 was for the survival 5,000 was for the looking way better than I thought you would. All this money because you guys thought I was going to be dead and then there's some naked chicken. It happened to actually be made the other five thousand was cuz I didn't think you were going to look as good as you'd given your Advanced age and holistic medicine routines. Wait, so let me get this right and I completely forgot about that you is this the one with me and Jaime? Yeah. I put it on my only fans if you want to if you want to remember what it was like to pay for it. Yeah, I'll give you a discount code. So it's not full price. If you're going to go to the studio and do that until then. I need to be invited next week cuz I want to sit there and watch it for ten and one hundred percent invited as long as you wear a hazmat suit. Okay, I got one. All right. I was pleasantly surprised this is now I was not expecting things to be preserved as well as they were what I saw this video dude. I'm like forty eight am well Rob's to you. Thank you. Thank you. I hope I cannot believe you still remember that remember I watch it every morning alarm goes off and the music that's playing right. It's like like the beginning of a sudden movie. I don't know Smash Mouth by All Star starts playing and then I get up out of bed. I hit the alarm I get up out of bed. I'm brushing my teeth Alexa play the Julie video and not sit on the screen for me and I watch it and then, you know get dressed. I'm doing my workouts. And I leave for the day. I never I say I say howdy neighbor if I case I don't see you. Good afternoon. Good evening. And goodnight. Are you going out all the time or you just going to work and then going back home? Yeah, I mean other than the grocery store or gas station and where am I going to go? I don't know. Right. Do you have do you wear masks when you do go out or no? Well, you have to I thought it was mandatory for says good. We're a mess. You can't come in and who do I have to talk to to get this get a credit on Cheaters? What do I have to do? What do you want the credit for anything idea Guy voice guy cheater? I can go cheat on somebody that's fine. You can catch me in the ACT wage. Well, okay perfect relationship another job, right? And I think I would bring in I would cast lady G as the person that I was supposed to be in the long-term with that would catch me with a cyst woman. And then I think that even fold and we do this in front of American Airlines Center. I think it would be better if you flip those but no but that's the other thing. It's like most people that are get caught cheating with their system that email girlfriend or whatever are usually with the Trans. So I'm flipping that scrip take a look at it. I mean there is no surf like what I don't understand like is this a real? Yeah. It's a real it's one hundred percent real it's one hundred percent real you should let me call Gomez will do the hit right now. What do you call it? That a hit song Sopranos bus will do the bus right. Now. I'm going to I'm leaking information. I'm going to be in front of the Quiznos at 11201 Main Street, and I've already tipped off of Gomes. I let him a series of Clips. Yes, I do. We have we have a ton of ideas. Oh my God. What am I give me a quick I want I want to put a credit on my IMDb. I want to have my first credit on IMDb as working on Cheaters. You know, what may be a cameraman jackass. Yeah. And then whatever your name is jackass. Number one, I can play that don't be a background guy can do whatever you want me to do. I'll do whatever you want to do, Julie. You know, what really? What do I have to do? What do I have to do Harvey Weinstein? I will I will bend over. Let me see my apple and then you can look up how about that? I'm not really familiar with that area. I'll move that over to Eric star that's his area of what do you call it? Fashion not women's expertise the same page. That's what they called spider. I see their spider actually left. I'm going to I'm going to I'm going to pass you over to Allison Mack. Yeah actually spied. Got up and left and he's at his house. By the way. Yeah, he said enough of this are actually I think I set him the video when what happened was I said in the video and he went to get better reception elsewhere. That's not the camera. Hey, well then thank you for loving you pretty much made my day. I'm glad you're saying that to be facetious. You know, what did I need a boob job bad. So maybe we can do like a thing. Hey, everybody donate a penny for jewelry to get a boob job, and then I'll run around make it all day long. Can I pay the dollar to not see that? No, I think I think you can make some pretty good mileage. You could at least make 20 bucks at least the bad job. Yeah, they get the same thing called the Chaturbate or something and take any more. I think it's I think it's only fans now when I need to start watching porn again, cuz I forgot how to do all that. Well off Juliet's good to hear from you. We haven't we haven't checked in on you in a while. And yeah, I'm glad you're still alive. I'm glad you're still kicking it. You look great. Have great a strong word. You look good, and we hope to see you back in the studio at some point. Are you really going back to your point? Cuz I would love to go phone not quite as beautiful that building is so nice. Well, I mean we're going we're going to be back in next week, but we were we're flip-flopping. We're actually in half way out. There is no joke I act Hazmat suit that we got for Peter and he doesn't wear it. And I will bring that over to come in if you wear that hazmat suit, you got it man. Like I could even bring that cuz you know, yeah, yeah dead, but that reminds me earlier. And we have not raised. Yeah, I will I'll let you know and then next week is our a Halloween show. So that's about as scary as you can get having Julie possibly affected with covert in studio with a hazmat suit. I think it's like Fear Factor. In love you dude. Yeah. No Grill. Call me earlier. I'll be up there. I'll wear my hat. Yeah, that'll be fun. Okay, we'll talk later. And then we'll hash out my cheaters deal. I have my agent there. I am I strapped on underneath it or that's again. I'm gonna have to defer you to aric. It's more in his expertise. Yeah again, it's a woman so oh, yeah. I'm afraid over to my home after she had been passed around this much since College. Hi, Julie. I appreciate you calling in. Thank you, bye-bye. All right. How do we recover from that you know, but Eric had a problem with his Apple. So you did get your Apple watch in I did get it in. Oh not home. You got a problem with it. And now you want to return it. So I ordered it and do the Apple Store do on my phone, you know, the online store, whatever the Apple Store. Yeah the Apple store, but online. Yeah, and so I took it took a while like I want to say like two three weeks. I think it was to get here about three weeks. Yeah. Yeah. So I finally got it. It was a it was a serious situation and this is your first Apple watch you haven't owned one before correct? Yeah. No the first one. Okay, so I got it. I was I had it for maybe like I want to say a couple of days or maybe five days or something like that. And I did I did try the EKG thing. I said everything was fine. I tried the oxygen thing on his watch them. He was in perfect health. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It was awful. I bet you know, that's a lie and twenty years. Yeah. They said his chances of defeating Covetous same as Donald Trump going to be in three days straight. He's as healthy as a five-year overnight wage. He did you can go right back to work. Yeah. Yeah, so I don't know so I was just using it but I never used that EKG or oxygen thing again. So I'm like mom always it's always monitoring you like it'll just start turn on on its own and let you know if there's an issue. Yeah. I don't know. I just feel like and then edit thoughts on it. It's like it's not really supposed to be used for medical like a diagnosis or anything like that just informational purposes. Yeah, everybody still purposes. So really I'm dead. Well, really? I don't need all that. So I was like and plus you know, how the I was thinking about they they're going to come out with a whole new Apple watch later on which is triggers in and yeah, which is an age that like a slower version which is arguing kg and oxygen later off probably next year and they're going to do you know a cheaper version of that that's going to be already included. So I was like well wait for that trade the what I have in now and get that one cuz I actually I went in and I traded my Series 6 for the SE. So oh you did already traded. Yeah. I wanted to start off. What's the difference from the SE and the the real one? Basically, the only difference is that it doesn't have the EKG. It has EKG, but it doesn't have it where you can manually do it off on the background again is in the background on a timer OK automatically, so you're still getting it but it's not. Oh, I want to check your right now. Now here's one of the coolest features that we got the test out. Let me do this. I'm going to turn my mic off. And I'm actually going to send I'm going to walkie-talkie Eric. With my watch this an incredible. I'm going to send you a secret message that only you can hear me, okay? You believe how pathetic Clark is I mean, oh my gosh. I think she really has a better life than him. Can you believe it? I can believe it. I mean she was just sex toys and everything. I'm sure he was like clueless about anything like that. So anyway in that great, it's almost real time. I didn't realize it's that quick. Yeah, that's not the delay, you know of Zoom as well. You know what I mean? So that's pretty close. Do you have that with your watch Club? Can you walk at ah, yeah. I can we need to add you to our friends list. Yeah. Well, I don't I mean my top eight all the top eight only watch so you've already traded in with your new watch you when you waited almost a month for this and now you're getting your new another one. No, actually I was able to go in the store. I went to the store. So those are open again. It was funny. It was hilarious. So, yeah, so I needed to check first, right? So I called the customer service line at Apple. And you know, I'm I'm already thinking like I'm gonna get the best customer service, you know, I may answer the phone. Like I'm just you know the king of whatever right like I'm going to give this Stellar customer service. Yeah, so I call. So I Rings maybe like another they were like, well, we're going to contact you. We're going to transfer you to somebody right? So I said, okay, so then it rings like once and then it goes like Silent Bob and I'm like hello and how much I want to record it was hilarious. So then I don't hear anything, but I look at my phone and it's still like the timer still running and everything like the cost down on right? Yeah, so I'm like hello and then and then I started here you all this rustling noise like And I guess somebody's fumbling with like the phone or something. Yeah, and I'm like, what store is this by the way? It wasn't a story. It was just customer service. Like just oh, I see a lawyer somebody that's they're all working from home right now. Yeah, they probably dropped the phone. Yeah the dog right off with the phone and they had a something and then and then and then so I stay on over to hang out and I'll signal down today. I want to see who this is. That's just all this mess. So mark your writing. Oh my God, I didn't know you were still there. I'm staying on it. I hear more rustling. I'm going to wait until the day maybe they have the their phone in their pocket and they're doing I don't know. Yeah, so finally this finally hear it like I hear this the wrestling stop but then I hear like some typing and stuff and then I'm like hello and then she's all high. Thank you for calling Apple like nothing happened various and then she ordered sensor. You set your watch over 2000 an Apple store and you're going to just go in and swap it out. Now. We know what she did was I said, well, I told her my situation. I was like I ordered it. I don't want to have to return it, you know by mail or by Athletics or whatever wage and then have to wait and more weeks to get the one that I want. Yeah, I understand that. So and then I was told her I said well, can I go switch it in the store? Like if I were to take it physically to the store dead. Would they be able to give me the one that I want that same day? Yeah, and then she was oh, that's a good idea. She was let me see. Let me ask so I'm like, okay. Yeah. So what do you mind? I put you on a brief hold for 2 to 3 minutes, and I said, okay. What's your phone back in her pocket again? She has to ask her manager. So then she comes back and then she goes, okay. She's like, what did you check online to see if they have it in stock? And as I know it's I'm calling you to see if first if I can even do that and second if you can check to see if they have in stock and then she goes oh, hold on and then she goes in Lake Jackson and then she's okay. She goes. Well, I was told that we can look it up online. Did you look it up online? And I thought oh, that's why I'm calling you. Yeah, like that's that's the whole job. Yeah, can I do that if I can tell me how to do it and she goes, right? Oh, well, this is my first time doing this. So we're going to learn together home. So walking through it together. Like why do I have to learn that? Right and then so and then by the end of it we found out they do have it in stock. I know how I know how to check it now online and everything, you know the Galleria. Yeah, so you have to schedule an appointment. My cousin works at that store. Oh really? Yeah. So you have to schedule an appointment ahead of time. You do a one-on-one retail session. What they Apple employee but you had to do I do it the day before because you try to day of all of the times are booked and they will not let you get say let's say if you finish what you're doing early and you know, I'm going to pass by maybe that maybe they're not so busy on pass by there and see maybe they can fit me in right? I'll let you know you have to go at that time that you're supposed to be there. That's good to know cuz I'm I'm not going to get this new iPhone 12. It's not that it's got 5G and all that stuff, but my has 5 I want Touch ID. Well, you don't really this phone doesn't support it. And the Network's not really 5G. It's really ours dial that too much, but I wasn't I was thinking about upgrading this year cuz I still have the 10:00 and but I really want Touch ID back in the phone, especially because now we get to wear masks and stuff exactly Touch ID is very useful right now. And so it's been rumored that it's coming back. We just don't know when I'm just going to hold out until the my phone works just fine. I do need a new battery though cuz then hold charge so I looked at the dog. I said what it would cost to swap out the battery and 69 bucks. So I'm like nice. It's not mad at all. Yeah nice. So now that I know the stores are open I can go and do that. Yeah this schedule an advanced package. This is the last thing so in the call she was all like thank you. She's I learned something new today. Thank you. I'll take you take off at fourteen dollars an hour. You're getting paid right? I did all this for you. Basically exactly. Did you watch the new episode of Discovery? I did episode one. Would you like it when the when the when the ten a.m. To 10? I mean, I don't know what we're basing it off of or anything a scale 1 to 10. I would say I mean like I mean like I don't know which in your mind what you're kind of like going to say. Oh God, but you like it is it was entertaining or I would say I'll give it a eight. I'm going to give it a seven out of nine why change the scale? Well, just going to the exact same thing because Picard I don't know. I don't know know cuz we're lowering the fraction now cuz I'm not on a not. It's a nine out of ten. But anyway, and the only reason why so I did have some notes. I wrote him down here end of last season. The crew Discovery went a thousand years in the future. The Federation is in shambles. It doesn't really exist anymore. Whatever. I like that concept where we go from here. What is the I'm a little worried because now the writers of the show can't copy off of other things that have come before it actually got to use their imaginations and write something new. So, I'm curious as how that's going to look. But I kind of liked I liked the fact that I really liked what they built here was kind of like a what's that movie with Harrison Ford and some the future laid Run Road Runner. It's kind of like there was like the city they went to was very Blade Runner ish, you know had like all this futuristic lights Holograms all that stuff kind of likes all that. I was thinking that I was thinking that was a little bit of a cop-out but that was just me. Yeah, but wage much more future. Can you go that's the other thing I'm thinking as a if I was in the writer room, we've already done Transporters and time travel and spaceships and all this stuff where else can you go now? So yep. Mm years look like after that. I don't know so you really kind of have to make it more of like a right, but it's my job to cuz you know, if I'm going to complain about it, I better come up with some sort of solution. But I mean at this point you got to have to make it more of a dystopian Society cuz everything maybe we reached a peak of you know, what what Humanity could be and what civilization can be and then it just kind of Blows up in our faces and we kind of returned back to like a a less civilized society. Right? I think that's kind of what they're going for. So it kind of makes sense to me. However, I'm going to say even though I liked the episode. I'm going to give them a dialogue writing a three. I log in my opinion was awful. I was like I could have wrote that I could see Eric and I could have wrote that it was just very, you know, they say treat your audience like God, I don't know what's going on but not like they're stupid if you ever heard that before I'm paraphrasing but they were explaining things. Like I was a child like I have never seen Star Trek before like like I'm blind like I can't see them going on right in front of my my very eyes like when I played three seasons in or anything, right and the the dialogue was just awful. So I'm going to give that a when I say a three. Well, if you're going to give it 3 off of based off of that I would give it a two-wheel just dialogue. Yeah, I'm saying just dial I'll be giving it to the dialogue of too because you're too because the reason why is because there was some things that that the main page Character said that I don't that doesn't fit in with her character. Yes, and I want to get to that next actually. I think this is going to help explain this to because the other note that I had in this why is this character was just a this Relic, you know bad ass character trying every 30 seconds. Yeah instead of like she's no reason and she had a hardcore background upbringing mean a Vulcan right upbringing off. So yeah supposed to have like her emotions under control, but most part that everything up for can essentially. Yeah, and and now she's crying every 32nd and it's literally for like the most ridiculous stuff like this girl knows she's a thousand years in the future and she lanced like that's the first thing she does when she lands in the future. She asked Siri or whatever. They have that point. What what's today? I asked my my leg smartest says I never know what data so I asked the same thing. So I related to that and you know, the the assistant says hey, it's the year 3000 what ever been to the year 3000 Then so she's like, oh my gosh, I'm you know a thousand years in the future whatever and then she she meets this other guy. She's like, well, what about this? What about that one about that? What about this he goes? Oh that doesn't exist anymore. She goes that's impossible. How does it and then she starts crying. I'm like if I knew it was a if you took me from where I am right now put me a thousand years in the future and I'm I'm in the middle of nowhere and I go up to somebody and I go I'm just trying to get back to a to a marriage. How do I get back to America and America has been gone for three hundred years. I'm going to be like what it's been gone for like a thousand years is a long time things happen. Right? Like everything was an impossible place an impossibility to her, but it's been a thousand years. I mean like a lot happens in a thousand years and everything would just mind-blowing. You know, you're at that you accept the fact that you're a thousand years in the future, but you don't thought that nothing has changed in a thousand, right? Yeah that one and then you start bawling every time you find out something inconvenient has happened and I'm like, why are you making this character like this? I don't know that was goes bap. Have the dialogue there's nothing against the actress. I love the actors. But the way this whole thing was set up. It was just a little ridiculous you could have instead of like show I mean you could show emotion without physically like showing it like kind of like just had the emotion within you see her eyes whatever, you know, like but not her bawling because she wouldn't she wouldn't do that. They wouldn't allow that right in Vulcan. Yeah. No and you have to think logically about stuff, you know, logically that this could happen you're you know, you're a thousand years in the future and then actually the the score on these new Star Trek shows. They're like first off it's so ridiculously loud, you could barely hear the dialogue half the time cuz it just Blends in because the score is not like subtle. It's very much dramatic or you know has like a whole bunch of moving parts to it Dynamic I think is what I'm looking for and how long it just it over it distracts from the scene. You don't have to have music on every scene. It's okay to let you know a ship sound happen without any music or you know what I mean like phone number. Cool it on the music. Jeff Russell pump the brakes on the music anyway, but other than that though, I'm really enjoying where the seasons going off like like you like it and then you're like, I I like it. It's know. I like I like the idea. I liked where they're going with it. They they learned a lot from the past to see where they were screwing stuff up and they're trying to bring a little bit more. Hope basically it's like it's kind of a David and Goliath story, right? It's the the Federation which was a huge massive entity that help keep everything in order and promote Goodwill towards men and yada yada yada. It's now destroyed and there's little fragments of it left in the universe. And and how do you how do you put that back together and help bring ordering off and stuff through all this chaos? That's what I like. Yeah. I will say the best part of that episode one was when when she didn't go to the Starfleet Outpost and met with that guy that that there are whole encounter wage. Whole scene I did get emotional by I will say now that that was good. But everything else was very like whatever know I thought it was good. Anyway, any last words before we we're way over time here, but although we had a lot of a lot of action-packed stuff today you guys heard about my scooter ride my peace with scooter ride get the check in with Julie. We had Jose del Arco, which I thought Eric you had some great questions. Thank you. And then you find out that we gave Star Trek discovery of seven out of nine. Do you think the ad Court know I think that pretty much wraps it up. after the show I don't know. He knows his women in that show. You think you'd watch it to get some sort of like action as life, you know visually, but I guess not. Well, that sucks show. We'll see you next week. This is m z now online at him Z now. 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177: What Do You Want, Cuh-lare?: Wednesday, October 28th, 2020

The Morning Toast

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177: What Do You Want, Cuh-lare?: Wednesday, October 28th, 2020

"Good morning millennials welcome back to the morning toast. Happy Wednesday Hump. Hope everyone's having an amazing day. Unfortunately, today's hump. Day has been slightly derailed by the rain Theo is not here to celebrate Hump Day and my book announcement, but he was really supportive last night. So I'm okay Hump Day has been canceled temporarily derailed is what I'd like to say. So upsetting I may in it was raining and I knew that meant that do would not be here today and I don't blame you I don't blame him you know who I blame. Blame it on the WEATHERMAN. Yes or God. You, know what? I like to blame the weatherman because I feel like he's like more worthy adversary I hate when it rains but part of me always feels like whenever it's raining, it's because like someone is having a funeral and like they needed to like have it be raining 'cause like they always say like God cries when it's a few New Orleans like the person's like Seoul and like you know what I'll accept the rain because you're going through a tough time that's always how I feel. It's such a beautiful way to think about it. Thank you mid, Klaudia Ah Beautiful I just say that yesterday was such a fabulous day like I actually was like throughout the day having like such highs and lows like because it was just like staring at my phone my screen time must be like fourteen hours. You want us to make sure that us now it was so. Scared I got home and I sat in my bed and I just stared at my phone and I did like a Cuban a So this and an hour and thirty minutes. Wow. But let's go back to yesterday. I spent a lot of time in my phone yesterday yesterday also doing the social media blitz for your lawn twelve hours. Jeez Louise that but that's our. That's my standard. That's crazy. I I was going to be more that is so crazy. No, it's absolutely disgusting but at least like I'm Making business moves like playing for night, right? That's true. Speaking of business moves. If you have another opportunity at yesterday announced my book, it comes out January twenty, six, twenty, twenty, one, it's called grow with no job the crazy beautiful life of an instagram thirst monster. It is available on Amazon on all the platforms. If you head over to my instagram account girl with Najam, you'll be able to find all the information either and I just want to say yesterday was such a fabulous day because I didn't even know that like Amazon had charts and I didn't i. Thought that if your book is like in preorder like you don't make it to the charts until you release until you have the book and you said me like I'm number one in personal development and I'm like what and then I kept watching it and it made it to number four on all books for a brief brief moment above Barack Obama and like people actually respect him that's fucking crazy. Yeah that's amazing. It's a sign of the Times you know yeah, I mean it was an exciting day exciting launch I think that the launch was successful on June. Like your social media skills like it's funny 'cause like this is what I do and like you really killed it like Jackie was being. So Liza from younger like cross. Platform immigration just like really taking care of all the social media and the publishers were like, wow it's like they're like this is great because he had a social media manager and like. Success back in the day like that was my job racial media managing and I'm glad to know that I still have the chops you went back to your roots this week. That's actually like my skill set is like social media marketing and God is able to put it to use. You killed it just absolutely killed and I'm so grateful. Thank you also speaking of exciting things going down if you're watching on Youtube today, we have a sign. Yes. Sorry it took so long. To be in our studio to be the sign. No so it's been a while. So now the studio is officially christened done done Yeah Cherry on top because we have assign, and so you know what show you're watching if you weren't church and it can be confusing because there are a lot of people who look just like us. Yeah I mean there are a lot of people who like try to do like this said yes. Now you know like this is the one you jas. Not Talking about me but I did want to say one more thing you'll free. Also, a very exciting update is that if you haven't watched my comedy especially at it now part of Amazon prime so you can watch it for free. So I just wanted to put that out there because I know some people had seen, we're waiting for it to become free on a certain streaming platform and on prime has for you check it out totally free content upper speaking of see us I did finally start the redheads. Book it is just like so warm and fuzzy and beautiful of life like lessons quotes highlight passages. You're just going to go ham on and I just think if you're looking for that warm and fuzzy feeling like feeling good about humanity and I'm only fifty percent of the way through this is the book for you. That's like a lot of way through. Yeah. But I don't know how it ends maybe it ends and it's like, oh Right for I've heard that's not what happened. So not only was yesterday like a big day for us, but it was a big day in pop culture. There was so much stuff that happened so much stuff like the fast. I just wrote themselves today and not getting buddy the last year I'll tell you that you know we're not circling the drain on Biz News. but there was also the episode of the Bachelorette which said I wasn't going to watch but I did and I'm really glad that I did do that. You did because I'm about to go in on like one person who Clare Oh of course and you know what today I'm going to sit back relax and enjoy the show I have no devil's advocate to play. Do, your thing I feel like when it I'm I'm hesitant to recap how I really feel because I think Claire is getting a lot of hate and nobody deserves that for the way they act on a TV show she's not a bad person. She's making poor choices and I don't want to be a part of the pile on I. Really don't because I feel like maybe out of all the Bachelorette's we'd had and while she might be. Getting the most amount of aid. Oh, what I didn't even look after her comments section is just are there like headlines or tweets or it's people just people thinking that they are important and that Claire gives shred of a shit what they think about her So while I am very strong feelings about Claire, I will be delicate because I I actually I do feel bad for and I don't condone bullying anyway I think that she's getting like. Really destroyed Oh. Wow. I haven't seen anything but that is very considerate of you and it's important to remember that like while you may not agree with what Clare's doing. She's just a girl on TV like she's not. Murdering people? Just making questionable dating decisions which I know some of you people have done before suggest, remember that when recapping. What's going on? She didn't lie. I didn't lie. It's like please. Let's look at your dating record girlfriend. Okay. Okay. You don't have to them know sorry now I'm telling getting. Also like you didn't go on TV to talk about your dating record. Therefore, you're hitting record is your business and then I suppose it's inadmissible in this court. Yes. But yeah. So we will talk about that in our TV recap segment but it was a great episode lots of I. Think You know More. Serious conversations to be had. Yeah and honestly the thing that stuck out for me. Considering we know she leaves with Dale I watching how that happens like isn't so crazy but like that kiss situation for off I, can't I can't I had to watch it twice to try and see what happened like like playback slow. What's it called in sports replay? Yeah. Instant rebates on called sports. It's called that in English so they use it sports. Yes. I agree and part of me thinks that she felt it had nothing to do because he did not pull away like when you replay did he pull away now? I mean, she did go in like ninety five very aggressive. But like okay, it's okay for what living in the nineteenth century like you can kiss someone. But I think that she like went in for the kids because she it was like what she was supposed to do, and then she felt like he was cheating on Dale and pulled out like that's literally how I thought. Oh, I have a boyfriend. Shit. That's how I felt. We need. We need to dissect it because I was so confused. So confused, but we'll talk about that in the TV recap maybe we should just get in because unless there's any more personal matters that you'd like to discuss I didn't watch anymore Queens Gamba yesterday because my eyes are just glued refreshing my instagram comments telling oh I'm sorry I'd say one thing but Utah Queen's gambit like it's my sweet treat waiting for me but I asked to finish redheads book because we're. Recording the redheads episode on Thursday, which is a reminder. If you want to ask us any questions about the book, email s the redheads book club at G Mail Dot. com. So I, have to finish this and do that before Thursday. If I finish the book like today, I can watch queen's Gambit tonight. Yeah. No I didn't watch any yesterday and I'm really enjoying it. It's a limited series. I don't have that many episodes. So Savor it I'm going to, but I wanted to address the controversy Day here at the morning by address some of the haters and. I want to address. Maxxie Pat Gate. Oh. Wow, is it hasn't gotten that big. It's gotten pretty big. It's gone beyond what I thought when I announced my book of course, everyone was so excited but many people were quick to point out that my bathtub on the cover does look a little bit like a Maxi Pad and at first we were like, Oh, I thought you were sitting on a Maxi Pad and now I see it's about tub obviously and I just want to say to the haters. I do. It does look like a Maxi Pad and I'm not really mad about it. I think it's Kinda funny and very unbranded. But no that was not intentional. A lot of people like actually thought it was I. I see how the shape of the TUB is the shape of maxine had. But like why would you be lying on a Maxi pad naked with bogelsong like? No, it makes no sense but. I, just want to address that because you know I'm all about addressing controversies. Wow. Okay. Thank you for your bravery and your honesty and speaking of addressing controversies. I dress quite a few of them in my new book girl with no job. The crazy beautiful life of an instagram sponsor now available at most retailers. Now available for preorder at most retailers I'm getting new I'm new to this whole to the jargon this authorship thing. Yeah. It could take some getting used to I know from what I hear from what I hear. So now I think with all the personal promotion behind us we'll see about that Oh. Yeah. There's lots to talk about speaking of my announcement, my son announcement tomorrow. So get excited to. Show Tomago guys Jackie through her life. That's so unbelievably exciting like you have no idea and I don't want over. Hyped it. She's not pregnant. No I already told you guys that and like. Yeah now after teasing everything else it is time. Now it's time for the fascinates where he's at you, you need to know before you wake up and take a bite out of your morning hosts. And that's true. It's true but. I'M NOT GONNA even GonNa make a joke right now I'm going through something like really serious medically no. Yeah, and it's mask breath and it's so fucking awful and I think everyone is going through it and I literally was out to dinner last night and I gave everyone the table a piece oh by the way we have it here today sponsors therabreath they make a ton of products and they're all geared for your breath like it fabulous but this gum is truly a game changer and everyone was out to dinner last night was talking about masks breath and I was handing out this like you need therabreath breath I'm like a traveling salesman. 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The couple made their engagement instagram official on Tuesday with the sweep post from gwen sharing a photo of her ring alongside her new fiance multiple sources confirmed to people that recently got engaged in Oklahoma. She wrote at Blake Shelton please. Okay. So am I the only one who literally thought were married already. Okay. I thought they were one hundred percent engage I thought they got engaged like four weeks after they got together and engaged ever since I swear I saw like a star magazine or US weekly cover the other day that said the wedding is off Blake in Gwen. Already engaged right and when I saw that I realized that they weren't already married like how far along I thought that we were I guess they just like moved so fast from the second that they met like a really was love at first sight. So it just gives off that vibe that they're moving really fast but I guess they weren't engaged yet, which is just it's this is news to me right like. This is shocking that they weren't already engaged in and at this point, even bothering to get engaged or get married yet. No. But honestly as a couple I love them so much actually really really believe in their love I think they're two people you would have never paired together but once they met it totally made sense and now they worked together and if you like they just really really love each other I mean. Not to you know bring her into this but like Maranda Lambert must be vomiting just because like. They Randall Emerson? Blake Shelton got divorced and like the next woman that Blake Shelton Matt was like the absolute level of his life which doesn't happen for anyone like it's so rare and it's just like. That's your ex like killing. Yes. They're really perfect together and just go show opposites attract. Yeah. Go show opposites attract and goes to show. You can find love anywhere. You know even at work even at work. The voice. Yeah. She became Nuno. They met there now they worked together there. That's so cute. I mean other if it wasn't on the voice, like how would Blake Blake Shelton and Gwen Stefani ever have met in a room that was small enough for them to even like see each other Midyat award show, right but those are so big like to talk to someone who's like nodding your genre who? You probably donor their music before so I just we have the voice to thank and part of why I love this couple is that I think Wednesday Stefani's very talented. I haven't really kept up with any of her music since no doubt and I think that Blake Shelton is also challenging her musically and they're making country music together and like she's really becoming an artist who whose work I can admire. Not that she was before, he just didn't really keep up with her new one. I don't think she was putting out like that. Right, before they started dating. So this is like this next chapter for her and I think that it's beautiful and I I just really shocked that they weren't ready engaged. Yeah. I also think like. Business. Wise like this relationship has been so good for both of their careers because one everyone's obsessed with them and like just ships them so hard blake really became so mainstream with the voice and then with to Bonnie and wants to me although I love her was kind of irrelevant before the voice and before her relationship, and now she's like a list. So I just think like from all angles from all cylinders like perfect. Yeah. No and I. It's clear that they feel similarly get I'm really happy for them. Yeah. I wonder if they will get married though I don't know I don't know either. More Money Lake Shelton. Oh Yeah. He's such a big star yeah like. Top hit who hits hits for like twenty years you know he kills it yeah and he really liked did good work for country music in the mainstream like pop sector with his work on the voice people just love him even though they've never heard of him he's very personable. He's very funny. He's one of my favorite people to watch entertainment wise on the boys I, haven't watched the voice in forever neither follow them on Tiktok so it's basically like I watched because they upload so many clips. That's great. You know it's it's an amazing way to. Be a fan of the voice. Like actually that that is you know like literally all the blended auditions are on their tiktok page, click the best part of the audition like where people turn around and then they tell you. On like it's literally all you know. Saying. It's a good follow. I highly recommended if you spend as much time on talk, do check out at NBC the voice not an App you WanNa reach twelve hours of screen time day. Out NBC the voice and if you're spending that much time on your phone, maybe me on Tiktok and then Priori my book. Lincoln. Bio Interesting thought I promise I will stop with. Just can't get over it. Okay. Next story, our Queen Kim celebrated her fortieth birthday on a private island with a trip for all of her closest friends and family except Kylie and I wanna say something I, have a prediction and I wanna put it out in the ether. Before you can say anything I think Kylie's pregnant. You do I do. I'll have to look into this. She's spending more time travis she was not on the trip or if she was, she wasn't photograph she wasn't on the trip she was in Houston with stormy and Travis Yup. So she's pregnant and I'm putting it out there and I I really think I'm right. Okay. I I'm going to look into it like with my investigative and I just want to say I have absolutely no proof. It's just a feeling. You know it's that maternal instinct. Yeah I mean it has it's strange that. She wasn't on the one to celebrate her sister to it looks like the most iconic trip of all time Can you imagine like in this current climate like having the opportunity to go on a trip like that and not going no accumulate? No cannot relate they were in a tropical location for the luxurious getaway. We saw some behind the scenes footage up Katie W air lean that Kim chartered. It looked like the biggest type of claim you can get like a seven, forty, seven, seven, seven, seven, and literally. I saw like video from inside the plane and I. Thought it was like a set. I didn't think it was a real plan that was take up on the look out the window and they're in the air. It looked like soul plane the movie like it looks like a set. Yeah. No. It was jumping. Yeah and Kim has been sharing photos from the weekend or I. Guess this is in the past people obviously like didn't share stuff while they. were. All home now very well kept secret very well kept secret. She explained all of the different. Ways in which they took precautions, she captioned carousel photos on instagram saying my birthday this year I couldn't think of a better way to spend it. Then with some of the people who have helped, shape me into the woman I am today before Kobe I don't think any of us truly appreciated what a simple luxury was to be able to travel and be together with family and friends in a safe environment I. Surprise close inner circle with a trip to a private island where we could pretend things were normal for just a brief minute. She said I realized that she explained the dance road bikes swam near Whales Kayak. Go. She said, I realized that for most people that this is something so far out of reach right now. So in moments like these I'm humbly reminded about privilege my life is that's nice. I. Guess I saw this caption these photos and I was just like this is so beautiful Nice for her I couldn't do it Ooh. I'd be there in a second but the backlash y'all. are like so upset about it. Berry tone death I wanna read some of the I just searched Kim. Kardashian. went to the news category. The cut billionaire humbly checks her privilege on private island. Wait. Then, fair Kim Kardashian West could have could always have fun and not post about it Washington Post Kim Kardashian dragged for boasting about Lavish Island Birthday party quote read the room. Daily Beast Kim Kardashian tone deaf private island fortieth birthday, bash post draws backlash full of perfect means. So nasty you know people are really mad given the current climate what's going on in the world people lost their jobs they think that Kim sharing this part of her life could have been kept I. Don't know if they're mad that she did it I. Think they're mad that she posted it. Oh, fuck off. I mean that's literally her job. That's literally her job like I saw these pictures and they brought me like a some joy. I was like, wow, this is so stunning like the looks ever look so happy like this is what we come to like. No one expect from the Kardashians like I. Let them live. At some point like as a society, we really just need to like lay off of people and realize like it like if if literally anyone in the world was a billionaire and had the opportunity to do that, they would do it too and they would share posts on instagram and I just think like we got to let people live and just like we got to let people live and she if you don't like it just on, follow an article about have to write an article like it doesn't have to be a whole think piecyk if you don't. Like it don't follow some of us like it. So we do follow no I wanNA see more big shivers I wanna see more pictures. She was clearly very kick she she very much like understands that this is not the norm for people. Of course, very careful about what picture she posted the statement that she crafted to celebrate like what was going on in her life and also acknowledged that this is not when ordering can do. This is not that's not something I can do I appreciate being able to watch her do and I don't know if I. AM defending her because I love her and like if it was someone else like I, feel the same I don't know. But at the end of the day like I'm unbothered and I just love her and I just think we could really learn to operate in a world where like we just get out of people's business like it not everything everyone's going to do you're gonNA agree with and that's part of just being an adult and living in the real world and you don't have to throw a Tantrum and talk about every time. Someone does something that you don't agree with and. That's the the hill that I will die on here today I agree and I can't imagine that if even if it wasn't Kim that I would feel differently about people living their lives and and now it's like like before it's like, oh, how how reckless and irresponsible as you're doing a party with your friends but like no that part's taken care of all got tested quarantined et Cetera they were clearly very safe. So now it's like how dare you do this when other people can't? Well then if everyone only did things, other people can't do like it's just so silly it's so silly. Also. Kim. Like does so much good work. She's so charitable she donate so much of her time. So much of her money I agree platform platform to helping other people. It's her fortieth birthday was his forte. No that's true. It's like like social media's just sober. It's like you can never be doing enough like and if you take one moment for yourself, people like you're selfish even though like homegirl literatures donate a million dollars always posting about important things on her instagram she literally devoted much of her life to criminal justice reform like these early becoming a lawyer in order to help people and we literally just like let it breathe. It's just it's House thing I'm not even one of those people like, but it must be exhausting to constantly be searching for things to be offended by it must be exhausting yet. It really really must be I was shocked when I saw that there was so much hate for this like I could barely find a story that didn't have a slant about her tone deafness and don't get me wrong like I totally sympathetic and I understand like we are living in unprecedented times and it's like it's absolutely horrible people losing their jobs businesses literally on my block every businesses closed down. It's absolutely awful I get that but one does not Know going on a trip doesn't mean you don't care about what's it's just It's a little silly. That's all I'll say it's it's a little much like we all know the circumstances that we're living. We've been living with them for eight months like it's not good out here. No but if someone can find some joy in a way to do something in themselves, it's for themselves in a way that is. Safe. Do it We talk about who was there because was there with chloe and so I think we're pretty much confirm they're back together. Yeah Devon. Booker was people were like literally on Tiktok were like zooming into the background photos and saw him in two pictures. So he was remembered during quarantine to be dating Kendall Jenner I. believe that means that they're still together according to Scott were both there I believe alone like alone together, we should be alone together. So just like an interesting thing for people to think about. Yeah. Very, very interesting. I need to go through all the photos. Zee News article has every single photo that's posted so far, which is just like exactly what I mean I feel like there's so many more photos but like now that Kim getting roasted like she's not gonNA share them with us and I wanna see more like what did you eat for dinner posted a photo that I saw this morning that it was like her Khloe and court me on the chicken they're beating suits like looking the motherfucking snatchers like. Oh my gosh. Why didn't that happen to me in quarantine? No, and it's like, why am I not friends with Kim Kardashian like why? Why wasn't i? One of those people you know twenty years ago when I was six years old who met her and helped her shape into the woman she is today come you weren't one of those people twenty years ago we were six years old who was in high school with her? No, it's not fair. It's not fair that I wasn't on that trip like an I. wonder. Am I just so delusional or do other people see that and be like Oh my God like I should be there because I really feel territory Alec. been there. I think I I didn't see that and think that I did not. So maybe some did some didn't. Okay moving on to our next story a little happiness for Sheena Shea Oh my God I'm so happy about this. She knew she has revealed she is pregnant again after June miscarriage she is so excited to be a mom the Vanbrugh's star revealed in this week's issue of people that she and boyfriend brock. Honey. Davies. Getting their first child together after previously sharing in June that she had suffered a miscarriage we got pregnant. So quickly she says, my doctor told me to wait one period and ovulation cycle, and then we could try again it was the first and only time we tried and I had a feeling right away but it was so soon to tell because I wasn't even close to missing my period yet, I just had a feeling. Okay First of all, I'm so happy her like she went through something really difficult in June and now to get like a positive result is just absolutely wonderful. I have a special place in my heart for Sheena Marisha I really do because I think that she's been disrespected in a lot of ways lawn pump rules that she's kind of like a hero of the show I said, I, did, and I just love she's been through so many toxic relationships like Michael J.. Mike Shea. Michael J. I'm thinking I'm confusing but they may shed. Rob's parks Villeda like of course. Madison letter there's just been so much. Honestly, I don't know anything about the guy that she's with, but he looks like such a cutie and like a nice guy, I feel like it's a really healthy relationship and I'm like so fucking happy for she knows I. Love Her, we stand. Yeah and ensure sheena fashion her pregnancy announcement was sponsored by blue and I just want to say that is the benchmark of new as an influence or you've truly made it like me did one like if you're housing your pregnancy without a sponsorship, like what is you do? I'm not about that like I will do anything for money. No I totally agree that clear blue is legit and she it's like a nice organic posts like she hated the rent. Perfectly, I was a social media market around the campaign. I would definitely be pleased with the Roi No and clear blue is a fabulous product earned they the ones you know you know five days sooner She didn't days before your Miss Period. That's what it is. Beautiful Beautiful. Yeah. No really happy for her agree Hernandez look really cute and sweet and exactly what she needs even though we'd like never met him or heard from him but maybe it's that way because maybe a lot of times when like the partner goes on the show, it's like. yikes bikes. From Jake's bikes, I have no idea. Never been kissed when she's eating the pie you know. So weird word fork she's gets drunk at that like reggae club you're. Moving. Good Times anyways. Happy for and technically she's part of the vendor bum-keun now. Well, yeah. That's the other thing but seeing the words of Jordan Pruitt from the outside looking in. Yeah because like the other girls who are pregnant, which is now lost dossey Britney Brittany. I believe that was intentional like to get pregnant at the same time. I don't know and I don't think she was a part of that but she has been talking about like freezing her eggs she filmed a lot of that for benefit roles very vocal about how upset she was that they caught all that footage out. So she's been on this journey for a while she's a part of the pact, but it just so happens that it's all the same time. I feel like it's great open them all really close together I want I want to thrive in this group and she just can't Ya I think it will bring them closer together because we heard from. The closest to her at the time was Lalanne not do they were not on good terms but maybe this will be the thing that brings them together bring into the fold. I would love that for her as well. Babies have a beautiful way of just bringing people together. Yes, they do. Okay are you ready for our next story? Some Beverly Hills Casting News Harse Kathy Hilton will appear on real housewives of Beverly Hills. Eleven TMZ reported the news on Tuesday. The news comes one day after people reported that crystal hung minkoff will be joining Beverly Hills next season Bravo TV DOT COM as Kathy Hilton will appear as a friend of the cast that's what teams he said as well. Okay. That I think it's a really good jumping off point I'm thinking maybe it was her way of like dipping her win. I'm sure she has her preconceived notions about the show seeing what it did to Kim and Kyle's relationship and how it might be toxic. So she need the money she doesn't need the fame, but it might be like a fun project for her to work on I. Think She's probably glad about being cast as a housewife even her idea just to see if it's even remotely something she would be interested in. Yeah I just don't know why it would be like. I don't know why she would do this I. Don't know what she stands to gain from it and later ideallic if she wanted to be famous like there were so many opportunities in her life where she could have been that's clearly like not what she wanted and I don't. I mean I I don't know maybe we'll see a different side to her but. I think that she is I just I feel like she's. I feel like honestly, if you don't need the money I think it's like a fun easy job where like maybe it's for women who have haven't always worked and are looking for like their thing in their marriage or just like in their life like to have something that they can call. There's and it's like a fun job where you get to travel and like wear makeup and beautiful clothes and be friends with fabulous ladies like for someone who doesn't need the money and who's not like desperate to get on like I don't see a downside. Unless Tied like there, you never know what is going to happen how The personalities are going to mash and what the country's GonNa. Think of you. That's true I. Think it's a risk with a lot of people take that risk because the payoffs o of your business will this and you're that, and if you're someone who doesn't need those things why even take that risk to begin with? Being, a friend isn't a huge risk. No, it's not. I mean, maybe she sees Kyle who who was in similar situation. It's her like Mary Fancy and and thriving writing and Kyle loves the show and it's brought her so much good in her life until maybe she's just like I want that good time the of course, and they just feel like at some point when leaving your so rich get bored when you're so rich and you don't work. Yeah. Somebody think about something to think about but it's exciting I'm here for the casting we're getting closer to like the Kris, Jenner. Yeah I think it's a good direction for the show to be moving in and. I'm here. I'm here for what it means to for the message fit them. Final story is for Claudia mclardy Ashra Keith Regnier or reread or a nexium has been sentenced to one hundred and twenty years in prison. That is so crazy. It's so wonderful you know for all of us who made it through the endless hours of the vow even though it was tedious at times he really was just like an awful evil person and I think this is just wonderful news and and. I don't think we can. Never win the best of could've went yes. The arrogant six year olds. According to the new. York Post that's fucking savage who billed himself as Gandhi for the way word only to be unmasked as a perverted master manipulator remain defiant until the end insisting to the judge that his slew of accusers were lying but Brooklyn, federal judge Nicholas Garage. Lewis scoffed at the notion calling the spin galleys, crimes cruel perverse, and extremely serious as ensured. The CON- would remain in prison for life to him. The brave victims are liars. The judge said, bring down the gavel on the sex trafficker including him to pay a one point seven, five, million dollar. Fine. Well, you know this is truly the justices system at its best and. The wheels of Justice did what they were supposed to do, and I'm just thrilled about the idea that this guy who went from like being in charge of thousands of people and manipulating them all and using them as pawns for his own personal sexual financial gain is now going to be like the bottom of the totem pole in a men's prison, and I'm just like I think that juxtaposition is poetic and beautiful. Yeah, we love to see justice being served injustice most definitely most definitely. I think a few people in this thing are still awaiting sentencing allison mack. Yeah. I haven't seen sentencing for her and the Bronfman Girls Young to me. Are Just justice bad. If not worse than Keith Ranieri when I watched them on the documentary, their involvement made me so mad I know why? Like well obviously is what they did is terrible. They financed this whole thing but like can you imagine being born into wealth like that like? Literally you turn eighteen, you inherit one, hundred and twenty five, million dollars literally didn't even far like you didn't fucking do anything for that money and this is what you do. Like you join a cult in Albany and you ruin people's lives and like I'd like. That's I understand like not that I understand but I could see someone could become drunk off their own power start a cult like I don't relate to it but I could see how it happens. I don't see how like you're literally born. So privileged into such like such a legacy and this is what you do with it like their involvement for some reason like really made me angry damn 'cause finance the whole thing and they used all their powerful connection. They got the Dalai Lama to come all the way to Albany and had this discussion and really legitimize this self help organization the Dalai Lama thinks it's okay Oh of course and Their influence in their power was just as destructive as Keith Ranieri's it really was so. The next chapter is. Closing, its the losers chapter in the book, and I'm like happy for them. But this is this news about season two. You'll happening and I heard that it's about like the aftermath the courts. Yeah. Like its aftermath in currently I might not watch it but I did hear that the stars documentary on Nexium is very good. Are you gonNa Watch it now that you're like really next expo I am and I never did. The next documentary that they make after the stars when you're going to be on the documentary expert. Scott serious cult of Alta and that's where I feel like. The HBO documentary missed you know like he was really trying to become an influential thing and when you're. As. Allison Mack like you're not influencing anyone. Is that it? Okay, we'll check the bachelor. Yes TV recap brought you honey literally the most fabulous brand ever these days feels like online shopping is the only shopping we really do. That's where today sponsor honey comes in. 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Going into his discussion and even last week I knew he was a dick. But I didn't disagree with his grievances, right? Of course, like he had two points, the first one was. That was the second one. The first one was the way that she like flipped out on everyone on their first because literally there was an awkward silence like really what you had said rubs him the wrong way and honestly watching it was uncomfortable. It was like that's weird and then the second one was was naked dodgeball, which was not appropriate way now. So He's two points we agree with the points and His point about being a father and like having a family, and if that was him on that date, like he would have been putting a really uncomfortable situation like I, actually kind of respect to that or like. So he went from having to very valid valid points to just fucking being a disgrace slice grace and at first I was like, wow, he's kind of. Being. He was planning a little bit but he wasn't being disrespectful and then he just lost it animal like you're to be mother of my kids like go fuck yourself literally show discussing following. She's trying to run away from him in this conversation and he's following her like his behavior disgusting and he had. What he had like. The moral. He had the the argument on his side and he just fucking destroyed it, and now he's like a joke and I know if we'll ever be able to get a date again because the way he spoke to her, it was absolutely disgraceful. The names that you called her the way he followed her around just unbelievably disgusting and. And he just like went in so hard on her in like and it's crazy 'cause he opened up the conversation like looking like he might be having a productive conversation. Let her know how he was feeling so that he could stay in this situation like feel better about being here like have a conversation but then like the more he talked like the more it was clear like we are you telling us you're leaving and you're just like make taking shit on your way out or do you really think that you're being? Helpful take your being someone's boyfriend. I know you're insane insane? To go but I just wanted to be on the record and I'm not look such a I'm not so Clare Hater but he did have valid points and I don't think any of the guys picked up on what he was picking up until a little later in the episode and none of them have spoken to her that we actually loved how protective They are a firm they all like ran to go get her he dale rental go get her and deal was one who came up to him like actually the four guys who were actually on your date ran up to you but like I didn't see them. Yeah. No Shit. What we you other guys eventually like are coming around to what he saw but The. No. One would ever have. said it in the way that he said, it say that she's not fit to be the mother of his children. Youth literally. And you're the oldest Bachelorette in history for a reason. Go Fuck yourself like what you're what you're so great. That was really disturbing and I see why she was disturbed why there was going to be no more. As this sort of thing that just like shakes you. Yeah and Dale was there for her and it was just another layer to their existing connection like she felt safe and protected by him. So like of course, you know this is moving their relationship very. Far ahead progressing than the others. Yeah, and so I, of course understood why she was shaken up and needed to take time off. But again, it's like all these guys literally have never even spoken to her like she just keeps and this time it wasn't her fault and I don't blame her at all but like she just keeps cutting down the time that she gets to see with these. Got Spend with these guys, and she knows who's going to win in her head and I feel like there are many seasons of the bachelor where like you know Ben Higgins said he knew as Lauren like you know you play the game and she's just not playing the game and she's not giving any of the guys another chance because then the next day for the day date she didn't show. Up and she just did the nighttime cocktail party will yes. I wasn't upset. I didn't realize it was a pattern of her cutting time short until that date where she said, can we just rush through this yet and she came they were all dressed for the day. They sat around for like three hours. Then she came and told them it was only going to be a night date and. She just wanted to rush through that and spent all of her time with Dale. Then I was like, okay. We have a problem here and that's where it's like you're really just kind of slapping the guys in the face quarantine for two weeks at home flew across the country quarantine for another two weeks just to be to be on TV but ultimately to be your boyfriend and it's really disrespectful. crazier when she had her second date that was not on, she found a way for Dale to be on the day and then spend the part that he wasn't there talking about right and then got upset with the guys for not having productive conversations with her when all she was interested in talking about was day what you're jumping ahead, your. But I'm saying like you waste of time like was. Constantly compounded in the episode like just when I thought, it couldn't get worse like that. She's. GonNa at least pretend like she's interested in someone else. Got Worse Right. So then bright. So the group date, she cut everyone's time off and then spent the whole time with. Dell. Dell me that weird ass speech and wanted to do a group. Hug honestly like I'm not mad at like they're having an action that's what love is. But like don't be three in the words of own it get no easiest definitely like a voice of reason, in the group hundred and it's true like Dale being afraid like I'm only going to take five minutes. Let's do a group Hug, and then proceeding to. Take an hour and then walk in on her when she's with someone else and honestly yes, it's on sale because he was being a free should've never said come sit down. That was not cool a clare they're acting like two year olds. Yes. I get that. You're in love there are rules like there's it process and the producers are doing her fucking dirty because the way that the show was edited it's always to protect the you want the lead. That's like when everyone's confused by a lot of what was going on Nick Vile season. So many so much was edited and cut out that it made no sense and it was like drama between Vanessa and Rachel and none of that was ever showed because Vanessa got the final rose and you want to protect her and nick. That's what. But because Claire is obviously not like the permanent lead they're doing fuck dirty like with all the hidden cameras and the Mike's a could just rush through this and it's like she's like, I don't even see the point I'm like seeing these other guys. Yeah. But I think that even though a lot of needs to know immediately. There's a reason why you're on the bachelor maybe your first instinct of WHO's the best choice for you isn't the best choice for you. So you give all these other very eligible guys a shot so that at the end you can even if it turns out to be that guy you one hundred percent sure because you saw everything else that was out there and you're like, no I. Still Want US personally even though the bachelor is like the most like backwards show whatever a method to why. Sometimes. It really does work and why in those few weeks you are so certain of the person that you choose and before we saw this week's episode I really did think that. And Dale were just like memory there in unfortunately they met in this circumstance. So on the show but now I'm feeling like I don't know if they're gonNA make it I think it's a physical. Puppy love sort of thing. She's not even being mature enough with her feelings to recognize that you know maybe I should give someone else a shot maybe what I always initially go for isn't what's best for me and I feel like. I'm worried for them because the way they're going to blow up the show and then maybe not even workout way that they're acting is not mature. No, it's really it's you're right like. There's to me I don't know what besides the physical connection they have in common or what she knows about him that she loves like when he walked over and give you a hug like there's more to a relationship than feeling safe and a lot of times on the bachelor like you have a strong initial with someone but that's not always the person that you choose like. Higgins gave the first impression rose to Olympic really and like for a few weeks I think he was really like so interested in Libya and I think usually you have a few people that you're like really kind of interested in and then by the end you know exactly who it is but you have to. Go through the process in order to be sure about decision at the end like cutting it off two weeks in. Your. Extremely it's extremely he's not a recipe for success I wish the best of luck an and I pray that is so during that group date where she was just like running dalek acting like a two year old and I think she was very drunk because towards the end she was slurring her words, she really starts rubbing the wrong way they both did and all the. Other. Guys were starting to pick up on it and then the next day she had her one her one on one with Zack Z., I believe his name is who I don't know if anyone notice he owns a clean housekeeping service and literally if I was on the Bachelorette like I would choose him one hundred percent like to marry someone who owns a company like. God holiday like free housekeeping got praise the Lord Jesus name we say, Amen. and. He's such a cutie and he's Kinda shy and like honestly I think if it weren't like this insane season, he would have had long term potential. He's so cute. I. Mean he got the second one on one which is usually someone who has long term potential and my God the date was just a disgrace. Yes. They might not have had a lot of chemistry but like Clare was not even trying and he was visibly nervous and she was like putting Avocados on his face just so he would like shut the fuck up and it was just awful and the date was pathetic because they're stuck in this hotel and they're getting like pedicures on like Portable pedicure bads like not even like real pedicure chairs and then they're swimming in her backyard on like a fun boy float and it was just absolutely pathetic and of course, the whole thing came to a head when she went in for a kiss and then like decided, she didn't want to kiss him divide that I got was that she felt like she was cheating on Dale and she was like going in because she thought she was supposed to do and then when she was about to kiss, she was like. Wait. Now I'm in love with Dell like I'm not going to cheat them boyfriend and cheever give us a reason for why the kiss stopped and she said that she felt him pull away and so she felt like embarrassed. Okay which I did not see. Zach. Sees swears that he didn't pull away I. watched it he didn't pull away but he he was just standing there ready for the kiss like he he didn't do much leaning in so whether that was awkward but what proceeded to happen afterwards was like her like Him going towards her and her getting like scared of him and thinking that like he was grabbing her and triggered her really deeply because then we see in the little hidden cameras that like she kind of breakdown down crying and she didn't show up to the date and for me it was like I felt ways because one it really I didn't think it was that big of a deal and. And I thought even if she didn't like him to not even show up to the date was like really rude and Chris Harrison sent him home. But then part of me was like she's deeply triggered by this and I actually think what we don't know about the there's probably a lot. We don't know about Clare and I think she actually might be like a very damaged person because. I. Think that she's been through a lot that we don't know about and that would to US seemed like like it was awkward but it wasn't like to her was deeply triggering. Yeah and I think that she is. She has like demons and I think that she may be hasn't fully worked out yet and it really it made me feel sad I like part of me was like that's rude like go say bye to him if you even if you don't like him and then part of me was like really feeling bad she couldn't even look at him again right. So part of me was like actually feeling really bad for her like. Yeah there's way more here. Yeah. I felt bad for her because when that second in interaction happened when he was like no way because yeah, and he Put his hand on her neck to like bring her in. But at that point, she didn't want to kiss him. So to have someone that you don't WanNa Kiss. Try and like bring you by the neck. Yeah, but I don't think Zach. It's like a bad no or aggressive guy it was. So awkward was doing anything he could to make it better and also like. He was on one date and she didn't want to see like I don't know what happened at that kiss where it was a non start but like she didn't want to be kissing him no, he was doing it because like feel like part of being the Bachelorette is kissing people that you don't want to get into just got you kiss all the guy. And being on a one on one like you're GonNa kiss and so it just got so weird and then got worse and I honestly I really felt badly for both of them I. Feel I felt like. I was putting in like in a bad. where he was embarrassed and Chris had to walk him out not even Clare and it was like just an embarrassing way to go out, and then I also felt bad for Clare because she's obviously and maybe we don't understand it but she's going through something like in that she was going through. So in that moment and now I, think a lot of people can understand that and I don't think people at after. The whole exchange happened? I don't think people are like faulting Clare in any way it was just like a a very bad very awkward leagues lose and then to watch it was painful was really painful. Everyone was a loser there like it was just an awful. Yeah. But it was it was honestly and we watch a lot of reality TV like one of the top five like most shocking scenes I've ever seen. Awkward. Like I. Literally I gasped when when Chris showed up like we know when they cut when they cut from the pool scene to write to him being alone at dinner and you knew where like I wanted to cry my heart broke for him and for her I was glad that that showed up and not Clare because I'm glad that they didn't have to have a conversation about what happened like just everyone let's well, they're going to have to address at the mental all because there was so many unanswered questions. Might jaw hit the floor was the first case where it just like they were. So, like weird I don't know what happened neither it was just like I feel so sad for if we talk about it any longer like I actually my cry because it was really really sad like the whole thing I agree. The next group date was the roast where Margaret show was by Margaret Cho looked great. She was very funny. Of course, she brought in all the other guys just she could see dale and she was like shook it's she's been living in this fantasy world like she has no idea what's going on and the fact that like literally all the guy's fucking hate dale and that really came through at the. Roast on my favorite with from the roast was Bennett he was a little mean but like I just like I love him and I said from day one like if I was on the Bachelorette like I'm going with the guy who has a Rolls Royce. Yet also someone roasted him I him wealthy and then I was wondering like Clare was like you know went and it was like, no yet. No. The roast wasn't even in my opinion remotely interesting except for the fact that clearly everyone hates tail. Yeah. But here's what was interesting to me. Ben Major Cutie he the fuck is Ben Okay he was the one he said look like Blake but he's like a little taller no no, he said he he did a joke about that was funny and landed. He said that he had forty three jokes that he did. About one about Clare. At the end that was the only one that aired the one about Dale and it was the only one that she asked him about he did forty three jokes in jail cared about was so cute. So cute and so funny and in any other season like top three, top four he's hometown I. Agree he's so cute and like nerdy a little bit. She's great guys, I. Don't know any of them. I don't know what they do they are but their names are whether from how old they are ever a few faces where I never him this person because I actually feel like I hate when people are like, who's this? Literally. There were three people where I was like. Here. The whole time. There's no I when Clare when they did the bloopers, not blueberries at the end after the credits Clare said to one of the guys I thought I sent you home last week that was so watch. One of the most random. It was thought I. Swear I've never seen that is so funny. Yeah. Okay. But so back to that date like Clare Literally is pulling everyone over and she thinks she's being subtle. She doesn't realize that all the guys are like talking about what they spoke about with Clare because she's like. What was all these jokes del like what was it about and then like she was being so several when literally all the guys knew exactly what she was doing she was like, yeah but she wouldn't let go every guy was honestly I haven't gotten that much time with you like we talk about something else and she's like nobody like what was that about? Yeah, and you know what I like she wasn't even. In the right way because if it were me or someone else, they would be like Oh my God the whole house hates my man something has come up before where it's like am I dating the villa right and you the conversation that you would have is like is there something I don't know like more out of real concern? Not like why would you go after my mom when she walked away and said, they're talking shit about my fiance that was like that was. That's no wonder why they didn't keep going. They could they could sense from her that like saying more negative stuff about Dale would only get them sent home. They would not be giving her information that she needed she just like that scene was crazy like crazy girls do like within a day of meeting Ben I'm like that's my boyfriend like you weren't eating twenty-five ever guys who are national telling me to I never ten. That's what crazy girls do like. When you call someone your boyfriend, they're like your wife she didn't even calm her voice to be on. That was crazy. That was crazy and what was even crazier we she again couldn't even pretend play the game didn't give a rose. Oh, that was seen. That's she really awesome if they're not in since she should have just given the rose to the person who was the funniest whoever got the most last I'm sure there was a consensus. Yes it was the funniest. You should have been really impressed me today like you were out of your she can't I i. Love a funny guy like thank you for putting yourself out. She can't even act and half of the show is just acting. Yeah. Yeah. So that's where it because in the Promo for next week we see. It obviously, she kid go were only three episodes in and she's not even playing the game and the guys are very aware of what's happening. This is a season unlike any other there's they're not in these. Fabulous cities with all these distractions, right dates, like they're literally in on top of each other like on a date and there's less to. It's extremely clear what's going on? I'm glad that the guys are going to stand up for them too because it's a waste of their time in it's embarrassing and like. I it's just unproductive for them I completely agree and I'm really looking forward to teach. That's sickening scene of her getting out of the pool was truly just like movie magic and I love how excited everyone is like I feel like we can rally behind someone in these by the Times it's like. Is Our leader and we're all rallying behind her and I'm very excited for her to take over I really. I think she'll. She'll respect the process and what's so funny about this whole thing is that tweet of Clare's that's going completely viral. Well when Matt James was cast for her season and there were rumors that he was like on Cameo and like starting like being thirsty people were tweeting about it and she like had him removed from her cast and tweeted something like respect the opportunity you've been given respect the process respective position and it's like Clare. Layer respect the opportunity you've been given at least pretend and they would have cut. She had even done a decent job at pretending they would have cut out obviously all the things she's referring to him as fiance the lean doesn't get hot mic. That's not what happens like it's other contestants like the lead is protected when it comes to editing but between how they edited her conversations post roast to all of her like behind the scenes hot mic moments they're doing her fucking dirty yet, but they also need to like make us understand into the viewers how we got to this place. There's a difference between having a front runner and considering yourself engaged when you're still dating twenty is. Now, it's just really bizarre and I'm really looking forward. It was an amazing episode like it was and I been very hesitant. About this season, but it's pretty good. Yeah. Yeah. It is coming interesting conversations like it's not silliness and it's like trope story storyline that we really have never seen before and I love when things are have never been done before. Yeah. So. That's our bachelorette recap. No other TV was on. No, but we have deer toasters. It's in your email. We forgot to print it today, but we got I totally forgot email. So dear, toasters advice segment is coming right up. Okay. I am GAM, just take a moment. It's refreshing. Just one second. Do. Do what I? Do. Do that. The be do be okay. By Back. He Queens by the way to your toasters is our advice segment. If you're ever looking right in our email is dear toasters at g mail DOT COM. Hi, Queens love listening to every morning. It's honestly been great for my sanity during all of this Kobe Shit and it adds some much-needed routine to my day. I'm in an awkward situation with my step sister. She's decided to Uninvite my boyfriend to her wedding. Our entire family will be there and it would definitely raise red flags in suspicion if he wasn't there, she absolutely hates him in here's why earlier this year I, made the mistake in opening up to her about issues in our relationship I don't want to go into detail but he cheated on me I'd been dealing with this privately for a Little bit more than a year and I was so tired of keeping it in. So I can confided it in my sister for support and love and all that stuff. She really does not support me staying with him and trying to figure things out for the sake of our relationship and family because we have a two year old son together my question is, do you think it's fair for? Her to uninvite him to her wedding. I understand that this is her Dane. She's been looking forward to this day forever and that you wouldn't want to pay for a plate for someone you hate but honestly consider not going if I can't bring my boyfriend he's my husband minus illegality plus her son is the ring bearer and I don't want him to miss on walking down the aisle but. Him. So I'm also in the wedding party and as well. So it really can't skip out also he was already invited now he's uninvited help. What do I do? Yeah. No that's that rate of your sister first of all, like wedding party gets a plus one. Yeah and also your wedding guarding ones if your sister slash bridesmaid has a boyfriend who she has a child with who they're together like. He gets invited right but even if like. You it wasn't even that serious, but it is like your sister you got a plus mine. No one. Also, it's not like this boyfriend did anything to your sister like he did something to you. You're choosing to be with him and that's on you and it really should have nothing to do with your sister. Yeah. I think that ultimately like you should definitely go to the wedding but I would say give it one more shot where you ask your sister if he can come like. And explain to her where you're at now it's so hard when people like. You know you you want to share with people like what's going on in your life, but then like people who grudges and it's not your garage to whole. Yeah. That's hard and you shouldn't feel honestly people. who you open up to hold that information again like that kind of that's really shitty. Yeah, and I understand like she loves him she wants to protect you but she also needs to support you in the end. The ultimate decision that you've made like you've made your decision. Yeah. See you need to be supported. So that's a bummer I would say try and keep like talking to her about it and I mean it is her wedding don't trust her. If, it doesn't work out just use it as something to hold over her head like for the rest of your life yet. But I do think you regardless of what happens you have to go to the wedding? Yeah and your your son's the Ring Barrett like. Try and work it out with your sister directly. But I wouldn't nocco because that's something that's like a life moment you can't. that. Yeah Right, next up high girls, I'm pregnant with my first child do mid-march. congrats with the sweet baby toaster. I am planning maybe shower and one of them in the final weeks of January. So we can have time to set up prepare by anything else that. I live in the Midwest, my mom and sister southwest my grandparents go there every winter from January to March every year to get out of the snow anyways have been planning for this baby shower since September, until my mother, my plans at the time, I just found out today that she doesn't plan to come to my baby shower and my sister in grandma won't come either unless they. Changed the date closer to March I think that's pretty unreasonable of an ask especially considering the unpredictability of birth I don't personally think it's too much to ask them to be here for a weekend or my grandparents to go a little later to be year maybe being unreasonable but this puts me in a really hard spot but said reasoning for not warning the usually the weather they fly. south for the. Cold months. So it's like having in March because we're going to be out from January to March. Maybe. I'm being unreasonable but this puts me in a really hard spot. I'm extremely introverted and I don't have a ton of friends. So it's a lot for my family not to be there for me for further context. My younger sister has also wanted me to reschedule my bridal shower for her convenience and that caused a huge fight around my wedding. Please help. Who That's tough. Normally. If it were like a normal world I would say you know like everyone should be able to come standard round but people are very trepidation about flying right now to fly in like. A bad weather situation where it not work out with flights over like there's a snowstorm in and you have your mom and your grandma covert and it's just like that's a lot to ask of people I. Think it's a lot to ask people to even fly right now like. And so I feel like you should try and make something. February. Work I understand not wanting to be like so close to your due date but I think if you can push it back I think that you should it's still so it's still only October like Like I feel like it's okay to push it back right now you know I mean at the end of the day like this is your family and I think that they're being slightly reasonable but you want them there. So if the only way to get them, there is for you to accommodate for them. Then I think that's what you have to do because it doesn't sound like they're going to do the same for yeah. But families family maybe they won't get the exact date that they wanna be there maybe if they could come like two weeks before that but. I am sure it's so annoying. I just feel like there's only so much. You can ask of people right now and like to compound like bad weather with Kobe and travel and all of that. It's a lot for people to do. So, just keep that in mind but that's hawks I'm sorry. Yeah it's there's drama she was being very vague about northwest southwest I don't know where exactly we'll go. Oh Yeah. Love a baby shower just long as you've got snacks. All right final one hey claude and Jackie beautiful stunning and smart and I look forward to the toast every day. Thank you. I. My boyfriend on bumbled right at the start of twenty twenty we were exclusively dating up until quarantine and things down for a bit then. Three months ago we started exclusively dating again quite seriously. My boyfriend told me. In the beginning that he is casually hooked up with guys in the past and I have no issue with that. But something feels strange with his best friend a New Year's eve of this year just before we met my guy and his best friend got drunk and celebrated together my boyfriend told me how when they were drunk to start making out and almost progress to more in his bad. But stop themselves and things were kind of weird between them for a few weeks I've tried bring back up this. STORY TO GET MORE CLARITY and my boyfriend shuts it down immediately it's not a big deal to me, but it does feel strange. I also feel like my boyfriend is touchy inattentive attentive around me when his best friend is around I think I'm reading too much into this but they've been best friends since they were kids will love to your your thoughts Sasha. Any advice love you is and thanks so much with this tough. This is tough and this is I feel like a situation where it's much easier to. Give advice than it is to follow through. But like I feel like part of being in a relationship is being completely open when it comes to like sexuality and your past and I think that you have to not be afraid to ask questions and if you are feeling like I would listen to your gut like if your boyfriend is acting different when he's around his best friend like there'd be something going on like listen to your heart don't you're not you're crazy and it's hard to be with someone who's had like a romantic relationship with their best friend. Best friend is still their best friend like and this wasn't so. Far in the right. Field this year. So if there's stuff lingering, they're like not only do you know that this happened but you're feeling like it's there as well. I, would say trust your gut Coming in from non judgmental place just like a genuine place of concern. Yeah. Like it just feels like your boyfriend has feelings for someone else while you're with him. Yeah and just feel like I don't just say like I don't like being in the dark I'm getting a weird by that I'm not crazy like what the hell's going on. Yeah. You may not like what the hell just. Below, but be like this is how I feel. Is there something you WanNa to tell me? Is there something wanted to tell me or is there any merit to like the way that I'm feeling or am I reading the wrong? Yeah. But I would I wouldn't like invalid your own feelings like gut instinct and gut reaction like there's real value in that and like listen to your heart. Listen to your heart and that gut in know something. So that was your toasters. Hope we gave some good advice. Dear Toasters Edgy Mel dot com email account. If you want to write in, it is always an anonymous and it is always you know fabulous advice totally nuts our show. 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Out with the Old... - 139

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Out with the Old... - 139

"Welcome Fred so the how to heretic. Kamarck I'm Michael. Dan and I am Uncle Doug. And this is your user's guide to life on the outside that's leaving. Religion is the first step into a larger better world but it can also be a scary world. Things work differently now ever fair. That's why we're here and with help from good friends and experts and all sorts of fields. We're going to share the stories and seek the knowledge to build a great life after all only get one that we know. Better make the most of. Oh my gosh guys. Hello Oh i Hack Hick you have the best. Gosh and heck in the tri-state area that's Wyoming Utah. Idaho I take it. Yeah correct so and by the way when we do have to do is show one time segment. One time about. Mormons swears for sure do that. That would be Super Fun because I think a lot of people won't believe us in Rural Mormon country is Napoleon dynamite guys that has a literal true so anyway here. We are episode one thirty nine. We are getting much much closer to the legendary episode. One forty five six weeks away. I don't know how the math works. But but it's a great and I'm going to start with a little travelogue to La Belle France. Ooh that I'm going to add to our list of colts with one so utterly benign boring. That will all gone about by next week. Yeah I feel like there's some ladies with some interesting branding. There could be people who will be forgetting about it for sure. And I'm GonNa tell you all about whether or not you should believe in the Old Testament Spoiler. You should not. Yeah probably just. It would be best for everyone if you didn't yes. Indeed not believing in the Old Testament is like staying indoors until this all blows over. Just GonNa it's just GonNa make society a lot safer and don't people out there. Don't forget we got merch. Got All kinds of great merge you can go to the how out there dot com click on heretic and the world of retail. Joy will open up before you and and you know. We're on Youtube as well. So you start by. Like what the hell else do you have to do? Go Mark says you can. You can track down specific segments. We've done our our friend. Vernon has is working on that project of getting all our segments onto YouTube. So if you have a friend who's struggling with a particular issue or a particular subject or the like you can send them a segment rather than a whole show. We do this for you. Yes for out of love. Yes of some of some kind something. Yes so with that. Let us do the show uncle. Dan Miss Your listeners. you know it it does seem like a our current reality is shitty. David right exactly. We can be comforted by the fact that pretty much every other time in history was also shitty. Yeah that make you feel better? Possibly shittier possibly possibly. I feel like right now. Is Giving the olden times a run for its money but even even with all this it is we still live in the most peaceful time in human history so yeah just for the next at least a couple of days. We live in the most peaceful time. It does seem to be threatening to to to lose that title but a okay. We'll say that sunny with a chance of sunny with a chance of apocalypse right. We never know what's going to happen. Between the time we record this and you hear it so let. Let's let's explore a time long long ago shall we fellas and lease and you know. There's never been a bad time to be a Catholic like ever whether you were a woman or a queer person or an astronomer or just a peculiar old lady who lived alone and was fond of cats since Saint Paul formerly solid. Tarsus said to himself. There's got to be a way to monetize all this madness and use a political cudgel to crush my enemies. It's been one sunny summer day for more than two thousand years. Right fellas breezy well. It turns out. It's never been a bad time to be a Catholic even for wealthy privileged and connected Catholic clergy as well Well except for this one time. Follow me if you will to the tranquility of loon France in the sleepy fourth decade of the Seventeenth Century and by tranquility I mean a nation in turmoil with the Protestant huguenot revolts. The constant crisis in palace intrigues and instabilities of the Louise and a continent in the midst of the Thirty Years War tranquil. And Yeah and it is this provincial. Apparently quite nice little town of loon France in sixteen thirty to sixteen thirty four that is the stage for today's gruesome drama that of Father Urban Gronyea and the devils of Loon I. I became aware of this story when a friend showed a nineteen year. Old Me the very fucked up and conceptual nineteen seventy-one Ken Russell Film version of this dreadful moment in history and it rattled me. I was very sensitive young guy who was working on horror movies before I'd really seen any because I found too scary horror movie in the Classic Sense. It's very disturbing. And as far as I can tell it cleaves pretty damn close to the known facts of the incident. We watched this on Halloween one year. Guys that yeah there. Yeah Yeah Yeah there you were there anyway. You were there anyway. Born into a wealthy family in fifteen ninety urban grandia entered the priesthood at a young age and was appointed by his influential uncle to be the parish priest of Ludin and also he was appointed to a more powerful position as Canon of the collegiate Church of Saint Croix ahead of several more elder more qualified but less connected candidates. He was also learning. I want that position the position of Canon. What that means he was also something most priests were not young very good looking highly educated well-spoken and apparently fun in Irreverent Way. And also a social climber having replaced the grey cruel rickety old priests the people of the town excited by Grundy grudges and his wit most especially the ladies of the town with whom he flirted. Maybe a little too okay. In fact Grundy wrote an entire book inveighing against the UNNATURAL ENFORCE CELIBACY. The priests had to endure for their whole lives. This turned more than a few heads. Welby on Lewd on including in Rome and Paris one. Such headed turned was one. You wouldn't want to turn all the way round to notice you. That'd be logging. Cardinal Armand Joan diplomacies also known as Eminence Rouge but best known to history as cardinal richelieu. Yes he the villain of the Three Musketeers. Yeah if other ground was a cheeky monkey of a social climber. Cardinal Richelieu was King Kong by the years in question. He had not only achieved the rank of cardinal within the Catholic Church but it survived loads of attempts on his position and even his life in the stabby snake. Bit of the French Royal Court to rise not only to Chief Minister of King Louis Thirteenth but also First Minister of state governor of Brittany grandmaster of the Navigation Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs and Secretary of war. I love these titles. I know grand master of the navigation. Which would be awesome because I get seasick. Looking at a picture of the ocean Quite the resume after the King Ritu was the most powerful person in France and some argue that he was indeed more powerful than the young king himself so richly looks around France sees overly powerful regional nobility with their armies and fortifications sees those pesky seditious heretics the Huguenot S- occupying some of those same fortifications sees. All of it is a threat to the crown to the Church and himself and decides. That's enough of that Shit. So the orders given to have the bulk of those walls and castles torn down centralizing the authority of the of the crown as the only legitimate legal military power in the country and obviously that of the church as well so among those that resisted disorder was father GRONYEA. He didn't join the Anti Protestant forever of most of his Co. religionists of the day and kind of radically wanted to get along and even protect the Hugo. Lots of Dong this greatly irked Rish Lou. Who made his displeasure known? Grungy as response was to write a satirical poem skewering the imperious rich Lou for his pretensions to power. This it turns out to be a terrible mistake. Ground as part. Yeah so it's like that's writing the that's like thinking that you can beat trump by by pissing him off. Yeah just don't want to get involved with that just going to make an enemy for life. And he's so dumb he might actually do. Some damage is right so in addition to being a little too arrogant for such a dangerous time to charming for his own good grundy went beyond the flirting mentioned above his believed to have fathered more than one child with different women including the daughter of one of his closest allies. Louis cont the public prosecutor of loon. this infuriated. His friend who joined the growing list of ground as enemies. He even approached the young daughter of a powerful local nobleman and convinced her to marry him. Infuriating not only the family but a guy named pierre-emmanuel who'd been willing her for years who also happen to be directly connected to King Louis the thirteenth personally so grandiose arrested this whole crazy proceeding took place. It look really bad for him. But when push came to shove the case fell apart when the accusations were recanted because the families of the unwed mothers decided the shame would be too great to come forward so he got lucky but he got cocky. His luck did not last. There was a small unimportant convent of Ursuline nuns in Don and from all evidence it seems the mother superior one gene. The agnes had become obsessed with the handsome dangerously transgressive GRONYEA. I remember just because priests and nuns take vows of celibacy doesn't mean they aren't sexual creatures with all sorts of fantasies and desires any passing familiarity with the Catholic Church in the past decades proves that in the worst possible way great so she asked him to become the confessor for small clutch of nuns. He declined abruptly saying he was too busy. Refusing to even visit the convent in person so spurned and jilted she smouldered it seems Agnes made her dreams and nightmares about ground. Da Known to the man who filled the post at the convent. Greg had refused one. Father Mignon himself one of the many local despisers of ground. Gay many undecided. It was witchcraft. Perpetrated by the philandering priest the young isolated and fearful nuns under agonises under agnes began admitting to their own. Nocturnal supernatural natural visits from gronyea in an increasing hysteria. Very much like the events that led up to the Salem witch trials roasting grundy as enemies pounced including richelieu of course and he dispatched one of his lieutenants and a relative of Mother Superior Mother Spiritual and Agnes. A guy called. I'm so sorry French people what's about to happen. I gotTA call Jean La Demo To. It's like forty words long forty letters long to investigate but really to railroad GRONYEA and rid him of that infernal priest so the ursuline sisters of became something of a public spectacle with each performance necessarily needing to top the last right a grenade. It's suddenly and Aronie. Asli seemed had fucked them all in person and in spirit with the help of and in the presence of demons. The poor man's goose was cooked. The cuisine. What really sucks about? That is that he didn't even get to actually fuck them. At least autumn actually gotten some some tale out of it. Some some sweet ursuline Tail Mersal Line so the inquisitor deliberate demo bore papers from richelieu barring anyone to appeal or any civil judge or authority from interfering with his kangaroo court has part of the proceedings mislead absurd document was produced called the diabolical pact written in Latin the stupid piece of superstitious garbage sealed grandiose fate but such where the standards of evidence in this benighted aid it reads as follows we the influential. Lucifer the young Satan be L. Shabib Leviathan. Leamy asked Esther off Together with others have today accepted the Covenant Pact of Obeying Gronyea who is ours and him do promise the love of women the flower of virgins the respective monarchs honors Lusts and powers. He will go whoring three days long the carousal to to him he offers this once. In the year. A seal of blood under the feet he will trample the holy things of the church. He will ask US many questions with this pact. He will live twenty years happy on the earth of men and will later join us to sin against God Bounden. Hell the Council of Demons signed Lucifer Beelzebub Satan Esther Roth Leviathan? The seals. Place the devil. The master of the Demons Princes of the Lord Balbir with writer. Okay Gilding the Lily. Just a little bit with this thing. It's love it while you were talking. I looked this this document picture. It's hilarious it's gorgeous. I love it. It's so stupid as a kid would write it for a Halloween paint with Crayon right the signatures hysterical. A picture of it so his sentence was read out and is recorded for history and that is as follows we have ordered and do order this set urban ground duly and convicted of the crime of Magic Melfi and of causing demoniacal possession of several ursuline nuns of this tone of Don as well as other secular women together with other charges and crimes resulting therefrom. Four atonement of which we have condemned and condemn. This said Gronyea to make how exactly you say. This amendment honorable his head bare a rope around his neck holding his hand. A burning taper weighing two pounds. That seems important. How much how? Much before the principal door of the Church of San Pierre Do Marseille and that of Saint Ursula of this town there on his knees to ask pardon of the king and the law. This done he has to be taken to the Public Square of Saint Croix and fastened to a steak on scaffold which shelby erected on the said place for this purpose and to be burned alive and his ashes scattered to the wind. We have ordered and do so order that each. And every article of movable property acquired in confiscated by the King of five hundred levers I being taken for buying a bronze plaque decorating on which will be engraved the abstract of this present trial to be set up in a prominent spot in the said Church of the URSA lines to remain there for all eternity and go ahead. Sorry of well. It's almost done. And before proceeding to the execution of the present sentence we order the said ground yet to be submitted to the first and the last degrees of torture concerning his accomplices. How'd you like to be standing before the judge here here? That guys will I love it. Goes on a little bit of a journey because the first third of it is like okay. You're going to have to get on your knees and say you're sorry you were a bad boy and you gotta you gotTa think he's like. Oh Okay I could do that. Yeah no problem and then it takes a turn. He probably knew what was coming. So this is way you don't feel very motivated to do the whole a get on your knees and ask forgiveness thing when you know what's coming afterwards regardless of what you do great at that point I would get I would never get. I would be like you get to see my middle fingers forever now. Yeah it's Kinda hard to get motivated after that sentence but so this is going to get gruesome be warned. He was fastened to a board with his legs. Laid in immovable. Planks Day Lombardo. His torturers carefully exercised all the implements of demons could not eat grundy pain although then set to work pounding wedges between the plankton. His legs shattering his leg bones. After each blow he was given the opportunity to confess which he would not after forty five minutes or so. Something called the Spanish boot was fastened to his ankle and foot. Think of it is like it's kind of an iron ski boot full of spikes that's also vice and after being made red hot in the fire. It's crackdown on the body until it totally shatters the bones and destroys the flash. He was then ordered to be put to what the court called. The extraordinary question were the mouth is wedged open and gallons of water forced down the throat. Think of waterboarding but with a fire hose so yeah despite these agonies. He never confessed because of course he couldn't he didn't use demons to possess these women. That's not a thing for fucks sake. So right and what would goodwood confessing him. They weren't going to let him off the hook. Exactly it might as well have that last bit of integrity before the Ray. So they dragged him in a donkey cart to the square where his enemies were seated in a VIP grandstand congratulating each other and celebrating with wine as his legs and feet were pulp. He was unable to stand so he was tied to the stake. Seated on an iron chair in the humane standards of the day he was going to be strangled prior to the fire. He gets to speak but the priests through water in his face and smashed them in the mouth with an iron crucifix so he couldn't as a last act of mean girl barbarity. The executioner found the inquisitors had tied the customary strangling rope nuts preventing him from administering a slightly more humane murder and then they lit the pyre before he could improvise another garage so a very conscious grounded screamed until the fire filled his lungs to the horror. Shock and delight of the thirty thousand assembled witnesses his enemies in the VIP Section Sang and toasted their success. Framing this problematic but ultimately innocent man. The appearance of a large black fly buzzing around the condemns head confirmed for his murderers that he was indeed guilty as it was surely Elza Bob Lord of the flies. That's his actual title. There you go. As gruesome an injustice horror was philosopher. Michelle de sertow believes it marked a key milestone for the emergence of Europe out of the Medieval period and toward the enlightenment. It was one of the last and certainly one of the most high profile trials for witchcraft in France. And even those that we're ambivalent about GRONYEA saw it as a farce and a miscarriage of justice. Add that that. Many of the nuns recanted during and after the trial including shockingly the mother superior and it's speculated now as as was even at the time that the silly diabolical pact. I read to You. A MINUTE. Ago was an agnes own very particular handwriting. So I haven't read the nineteen fifty two Aldous Huxley Nonfiction Novel About. This nightmare called the levels of Ludin but as I mentioned before the nineteen. Seventy one film. The Devil's based on Huxley's Book Is Pretty Bananas. And like I said seems to track with what's known about these events despite being a little conceptual and psychedelic not a family. Film just watching. So that's guys I guess. It's a cautionary tale about being two pretty pissed off powerful people and a reminder that church state separation and impartial non corrupt judicial systems are good things so we should try to keep those or or establish and feel like you've left. The main question unanswered which is is the plaque still around. I never I didn't think to look that up. It may may be. I don't know if the I don't know if the convent is still there. Yeah there you go I was. That was fun. Yeah so there you go everybody. I saw sister proctor with the devil. Let's move on. Hey Mark Yes. Yes uncle Dan Listen I I'm having a party over at my house. I hope you'll come to it. I'm going to be selling. I'm going to be teaching you how you can make a fortune selling a product that. I think you'll really believe in. Tell Me More I. There's no way you can lose. Because here's what you do you get you know five or six people selling under you. Sure they get people selling to them and the money just flows up. That's right shut up and take my freedom right executive triangle. Yeah it's like A. Yeah like a DOE deca Hebron. Yeah it's like a building that's fat on the bottom and skinny at the top. Something like kind of shape but more more straight lines exactly. You've you've heard of those right uncle Doug I have and I'm I'm here to talk to you about that today. Well dear uncles last week. We reviewed the many many cults. We have covered in the past few years searching for insights. That might help us. Guide help guide us through our current unpleasantness. I feel like we didn't really land where we needed to that. Which is just that. Donald Trump is trying to turn us all into the gang. Exactly didn't get there. I think that was one of the main takeaways. The editor takeaways from That were Don't be in a cult and man. There's a lot of cults and in fact we have covered so many damn colts that I have forgotten about cults that were my own segments. Yeah often share so many traits and trajectories so they can blend together and slide down the memory hole and such is the case with the Colt. I'm going to talk about today. Nexium that was cult of fighting heartburn. Yes exactly not to be confused with the Proton pump. Inhibitor used to treat heartburn nexium that spelled capital and capital X. Capital is capital V. Capital M. looks like the date of a football game or Or or one of Elon Musk's children U. You step mccown. You didn't tell me of. Ya not to be confused with Ilan Elon. Musk and grimes baby was ex- a EA dash one two. How do you? How do you say that name? Apparently it's pronounced ash because you don't have to be in a cult too stupid you don't think he'll on. Moscow's an occult. Well I think what if he could however if the alternative is being named Grimes Musk. This baby probably dodged the bullet. Nexium is really only notable. Because it's currently in the news and not for any good reasons mostly from a pair of New York Times articles. Chronicling the colts undoing other than that the twists and turns of the story or so predictable and familiar that I defy anyone to remember them next week. I'm looking forward to this now. I'm in so nexium and its founder. Keith Ranieri Def- definitely looked at the menu of past and present colts and borrowed heavily from mormonism in particular but especially from Scientology. Not so much the theology of scientology but the tactics in how to manage the their members so Born in Brooklyn in nineteen sixty Keith. Ranieri quickly got into the self-help and get rich quick schemes that abounded in the nineteen eighties and the nineties. In the early ninety s he created a business called consumers byline. I don't know if you guys you might remember. This was kind of big for a while. Know what was it? Extensively helped members find bargains. Like you became a member and they would put you on the scent of you know cheap this or cheap that this is pre internet days right but it turned out to be a pyramid scheme so egregious that. Ranieri was permanently banned from working in that field in New York undeterred. He founded nexium in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight near Albany. New York with Nancy Saltzman. It is one of the many staff positions of this podcast that one should always be weary of movements to get their start in upstate. New York The company was a personnel personal development company that offered executive success programs or which for a price were designed to help members take control of their lives and achieve. Success sound familiar. It feels like it should be merged with trump university trumpy. It didn't take long for certain cult like behavior to show up. Though in order to take the classes one had to be invited by a member. And then fill out an extensive questionnaire that next would use nexium people would use to pinpoint weaknesses and weed out skeptics. Sound familiar during these. Sp's members would put recruits through vigorous interviews drilling down hard on past experiences and TRAUMAS and recording this information for future blackmailing purposes. Yeah Gosh sound familiar. They're just scientologists. Essentially really really want to be scientologists. That's that's a bad place to be right right when you're when when you're like what business model should we emulate. I Dunno how about L. R. H. Up to sixteen thousand people enrolled in nexium classes over the years but the vast majority of whom took only a couple of glasses and moved on and among that population there were some scenic significant figures including former surgeon General Antonio Novello and reportedly Richard Branson took a couple nexium classes but Because what that guy really needs. Some business instruction appearance so many people in Olympic on for so long right a lot of people continued on with next to him and became became consumed by cutting themselves off from their families and turning over their life. Savings Nexium was particularly interested in recruiting recruiting trust funders and celebrities. Yeah he's among the celebrities. Recruited were some minor. Tv stars such as Linda. Evans Nikki Klein. Grace Park. Allison Mack. Did you know that Linda Evans also belongs to the Ramtha cult? No Shit to cope the yeah she was. She was yelling at during that drunk tirade. Oh that's right. Yeah Yeah and these are all pretty. Bela celebrities I mean Tom Cruise and John Travolta have very much been spoken for Allison Mack. The last mentioned was actually a star of a TV series called smallville. Yeah and she will factor pretty pretty prominently in what follows the color personality around founder Ranieri and Saltzman began to take shape during ESP's he was to be referred to as vanguard prefect. Why Prefect okay. Yeah whatever he started address and grow his hair out grew and he claimed that amongst his personal mythology. He claimed that he spoke in full sentences by the age of One mastered High School Mathematics by twelve and taught himself to play concert level piano by sixteen seventeen. Their belief system was pretty thin gruel. Mostly it was no Malcolm of New Age self-help Gobbledygook they recited a twelve step mission. Statement written by Ron Carey Era Sorry Vanguard in each esp. Here's just a couple of these twelve step points. Read them all ridiculous but these. Here's the bullet points. There are no ultimate victims therefore I will not choose to be a victim success in my own. Right is my earned success. What true success is never at the expense of others and it's a nice. Are we doing thing about Deepak Chopra now? I thought we were talking about vanguard. It's a derp circle yeah And then the last one will read is a world successful. People will be a better world indeed K. Wow thanks depth is really. It's not to be fathomed. It's real heavy scratchers. This was not a lot to this cult but as adherents continued to go deeper and deeper things started to get weird. Nexium began to gather intelligence on local politicians in case they ever needed to blackmail them. Governor Eliot Spitzer New Jersey attorney general and Milgram Senator Chuck Schumer and Roger Stone among others. it seems that they assume political mischief scientology's operation snowflake but never really got off the ground. So why not snowflake? Yeah WHATEVER WRECK. Air Jesus Christ you were. You were wrong to do. They were talking to prevent members from reading unapproved new sources or interacting with their families. San Familiar Rene even found that his own news organization to spread propaganda to his members which he humbly called the knife of Aristotle so as Ranieri developed his belief system under strange the mazing under his leadership. Some you know his up started doing some strange shit. One higher up member named Dr Brandon Porter would take the strapping women to a machine that recorded brainwave activity and showed them horribly. Violent films. Real people actually being murdered and dismembered and then mumbling recorded their brain activity. What's Weird Shit? Prediction I'll bet they didn't like it. Just it's pretty says he says before gets afraid that we might veer into Antioch Kids Territory. Don't worry What comes next is bad but not anywhere near that bad. Ranieri did start talking about past lives and he claimed that many of his higher up followers were reincarnated Nazis. Thank God he was a Nazi Hunter. What sense does that make a no no less a place in the in the history of than that he's GonNa tell me who wasn't a pastor Heinrich Himmler why I know it's strange hair. Garbo's is that you really. I think one of his higher ups was gurgles anyway. Fuck all of this cold cold lake behavior to fleece the hell out of the members and to groom women for Inari sexual appetites shocking and this really all got out of hand would in the early twenty teens. Actress ALLISON MARCH REMEMBER. Her started an organization within nexium called. Daas. Dos which stands for dominance obsequious Ceram which is supposed to be a Latin phrase meaning master over slave women wet. But isn't I know right Because dominance does mean master but a sequence in Latin means obsequious right at Sorority doesn't mean women so whatever but yeah there was this guy. Was You guys if you hear me Yell Bingo at any time my cult. Bingo card is lit checking all the boxes out. There was a lot of a slave slave master mentality in this cult. So once woman was sufficiently brainwashed an isolated she would be selected by MAC and others to be initiated into this cult within a cult and they would be naked held down a massage table and branded with the initials of Ranieri. This branding was just above the hip and was done with Qatar rising iron and can take up to thirty minutes. Oh my God excruciating pain. You need a better brander right. How about just a brand exactly fucking rising iron? It's like a soldering iron. Good with my hands. I could be in and out fifteen minutes. The scar that was left behind was grotesque and it further isolated these women from the outside world for fear of having the brand discovered now and these women of course would then be sex slaves for an eerie by two thousand sixteen and Seventeen. The pressure from enough former members and families of current members caused a federal investigation which led to the arrest of Gary in two thousand eighteen on several charges including sex trafficking and conspiracy to commit forced labor in that same year. Allison Mack was arrested on similar charges. And at this point the meagre house of cards fully collapsed in two thousand. Nineteen Nancy salesman. Who was one of the original? Founders pleaded guilty guilty to racketeering and criminal conspiracy. Dr Porter lost his medical license. Because of his experiments at this point at least fourteen other nexium leaders have been charged with crimes ranging from racketeering sex trafficking and their cases are winning their way through the legal system as we speak so as of today. Nexium has basically ceased to exist. The cult's assets have been seized. Its leaders imprisoned. It doesn't even have a website anymore and deer uncles. I wish that that sounded familiar right. Yeah Yeah I mean you're absolutely right. It's a little bit shocking to hear how the system actually work. Yeah they dismantled. This thing's soup to nuts so really so it is amazing. I mean there was obviously barbarity and and you know probably a a spectrum of sexual crimes but a cult came and went without a body count right. There appears not to have been any fatalities. I might be wrong. Conc- Any associated with this. I don't know suicides are directly linked. But I was. I was going to ring the big first time. Occult didn't end in in mass death bell that we have out here to heretic. But we don't have that bill. I forgot melt that bell. That's crazy a little bit about these guys but I just. It looked too much like you know. Just look too much like a Silicon Valley Story to me so I never really read truly was I mean it was. It was based out of New York Vancouver and parts of California but yet so long. Nexium all right. Well let's let's put them in the graveyard of the whatever. 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You are extremely deserving of protection and patronage of Saint Magnavox of three lakes Wisconsin two beautiful little town and she is the patron saint of the naturally of the nineteen sixty seven oldsmobile cutlass supreme in Sage Green. She's also the state of nervous Pancreas Syndrome. And and of course Iceland strongman. Magnus Magnusson good stuff. So congratulations I think you're completely covered so so if you ever have a problem with magnus you don't get on his bad side. Did you do that dead? Lift just the other day. No that wasn't him. That was the another guy that wasn't magnusson guy who plays the mountain. I will not have you correct me twice in one episode. Well you better not want go for a third here. Because I'm on a hot streak spit doug before before you to get into a fight. I am going to give you a job And that is the you need to give a heaven. That's right my dear friend Lucas. Who has earned his place in among the stars. Well Lucas many years from now when your tender heart finally gives out under the strain of several pounds of cocaine and an earth shattering or at the hands of a team of talented models in the grotto of your mansion. Darkness will surround you but as it does you will feel no no fear no pain and no regret you've lived a life you've lived a full and meaningful life except for that unfortunate incident with the soccer team after the plane crash. You have been good and kind and no you'll be rewarded Warm Green begins to resolve itself into your view and you realize that you were moving forward. The Green Blur focuses into a forest filled with tall rugged pine trees far off in the distance tall rugged granite mountains cat with stunningly white rugged glaciers. You're flying no plane. No Hang Glider just you majestic is an eagle gliding over the tree. Tops UP AHEAD. You see road sign parting the sea a road part in the forest and you swap right to follow it. You moving very fast. But if you're not mistaken. The road is full of potholes. No matter what need do you have a road anyway. A large sign appears on the horizon spanning the road. You slow down to read it and as you draw near large rugged letters it says L. Liberal area that's fucking weird you down to see the letters W. O. T. and an lying randomly in the street. It takes you a second but then you realize what the sinus supposed to say. Welcome to Libertarian. Heaven Okay Lucas. I'm not sure if you were a libertarian in real life but with a manly rugged name Lake Lucas. This is where you belong. You relied upon the ground and walk under the sign into a beautiful rugged mountain town at first glance. It's what's the word rugged. All the houses are log cabins with firewood. Stacked up next vegetable gardens manly men in lumberjack. Plaid strut around with axes slung over their shoulders. Heading off for a hard day's work you strong women and overalls and boots mingling. The town square each of them also has an ax over their shoulder. You definitely notice that everyone here is white. This is libertarian. Having after all but you soon start to notice the things that are a little bit off the log. Cabins are all in various states of disrepair nearly all have dirty or damaged pickup trucks on blocks in the driveway. The streets are indeed full of Potholes. And each of the people you see have faces that are in a word rugged most have long broken noses and large scars visible from yards away. You hit your head begins to swim and you want nothing more than to find your house and get a glass of water you ask the nearest gentlemen if you could help you when he responds here. Libertarian Heaven we help ourselves. This is a rugged town full of rugged individuals if I were to help you while. That'd be socialism you tell 'em you just trying to find out which houses yours and he responds while since you new here. I'm going to help you out just this once you see friend. Any one of these houses are yours. You just pick anyone you want. You look down the street at the Motley Collection of dilapidated structures and wonder what you should choose. The man ads as he starts to turn away. You're GonNa need an axe though. Excuse me you say well you can have any house you want. But you're going to have to kill whoever lives there. You really want an axe for that holy shit you think have to kill for a house. The man sentence you're surprised explains look for and this place is paradise. It's just that if you want something. You gots to kill the person what's got it take what's yours defend it. It's a lie. Free of tyranny of rules and government understand. You Stare blankly at him unsure. What COMES NEXT? He points his acts up up up to the soon to be setting sun and offers best getting act soon before the sun goes down. What happens then you ask the nightly purge of course? Somehow you must have the wherewithal to ask. Where can I get an axe? The man turns around as he walks away and says over shoulder. I'd find a feller with an accent. Kill him good luck so Lucas. There's no running water. No ELECTRICITY NO BASIC SERVICES. That road suck. There's no Internet. There are no people of color. And it's basically the final thirty minutes of the movie downfall but you are from any government overreach onerous rules and stifling regulation so enjoy your thirty of nightly acts warfare. Wow an internal GOLTZ Goltz. Congratulations Lucas. Sounds like joy that yeah. Listen if you dear listener. Who isn't Lucas are thinking yourself? Wow I could sure use a slice of whatever it was the Doug just gave Lucas. You can go to how to heretic. Dot Com and And follow the link to the Patriarch where you can start to donate to us. 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Perfect timing did did you do not? I kept entirely into my nasal cavities. So Save the day all right. Well guys on this podcast. We have talked a lot about the bat shit buffoonery. That is the Old Testament of the Bible. Just last week I dove into the story of Saul seeking the wisdom of his enemy. Samuel with the help of a psychic medium. It's a gold mine of utter nonsense and we can plunder it for years and not be disappointed. But here's the problem as former members of a quasi Christian called we've been using these X. explications as bludgeons against Christianity. Look how stupid the Christians are they. They think there's a guy they are. They think a guy who tortures hundreds of Fox's for a personal vendetta is a hero in our arrogance look at Christian foolishness. They think that a god who drowns every person on earth except one family is good and moral we laugh from our imagined ivory tower look at their tasting. Close this week loudly in public pointing and snickering as they weep. Look I'm I'm I'm just kidding about the last one but I mean we say that. But we'd say quietly to each other when they can't hear anyways we're we're good people were good people. What I'm getting at is that we think of these stories into the madness. That is the Old Testament as a means of discrediting Christianity. What I'm wondering today is are we wrong about that? Is it possible that we're pointing the Were pointing the wrong. Ding dongs when we make fun of the Old Testament after all the Old Testament is the Jewish book. Is it not the first five books genesis through Deuteronomy Depend Tuke as it is known the Big Five? The pros constitute the basis for Jewish law. All of those verses in Leviticus that we've had so much fun with are still supposedly the foundations of all the Jewish code. They're the ones who at least on paper are still practicing all that stuff. So why all this time have we talked like we've been making fun of Christians? Wouldn't it be more proper to say we've been making fun of Jews over all along? Well yes and no on one hand yes. Jewish religious beliefs and practices are utterly ridiculous and the Torah. They love is stupid. As we've so often pointed out on the other hand picking on Jews historically led to the bad look things sector of listeners. There's a certain sector of listeners. We aren't trying to recruit to the show correct correct so yes but that still leaves us with a tricky question. Does the Old Testament actually apply to Christian pretty much all Christians included in their scriptures which would indicate that the totally applies. But then let me do a little calculating here carry the two over X. divided by Pi exactly zero percent of Christians actually live by the six hundred thirteen commandments of the Torah. Or even the three hundred sixty nine commandments that the Jewish people still professed to self apply fewer than that well. You didn't do the research I with that number to disagree on something anyway. As a matter of fact there are only ten old testament laws that you ever hear Christians talking about and if pressed the vast majority probably can't even name all of them. So what's the deal? They profess a whole series of books. Thirty nine if they're Protestant fortieth forty-six if Catholic and more of their Weirdos like the Orthodox Christians that they promptly ignore guys like can ham which I just realized sounds like a star. Wars name saying that all the answers are in genesis but then they totally disregard the laws of Lou Vikas Deuteronomy all. How's that okay right? Well it all comes down to Jesus. The whole idea of Christianity is that Judaism was correct but then the Messiah came and now we all follow him. He changed the game entirely. He said we could eat whatever we want. For example in mark seven he said quote. Don't you see that? Nothing that enters a person from the outside can defile them for for. It doesn't go into their heart but into their stomach and then out of the body boom those are back on the menu. God I've been hankering for now right. I just I gotta say. I read a comment in a youtube video that I that I watched this and the guy was very adamant that what that scripture actually met was not that we could just eat. Whatever we wanted but it doesn't defile you when you eat the thing it's when it comes out of you as poop that you're defiant. Well then if you just never poof notify yeah I personally love that scripture because it marked you know in history of very very good day for breakfast but a very day for pigs one hundred percent absolutely anyway look Romans. Seven goes much further in terms of letting go of the old laws It somewhat confusingly us that when Christ died so did his followers connection to the old law quote but now by dying to what wants to what once bound us we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the spirit and not in the old way of the written code. Oh Yeah we're maybe we're maybe we're not supposed to obey those old laws. Galatian chapter three versus twenty four and twenty five or a little less confusing and even more straightforward so. The law was our Guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. Now that this faith has come we are no longer under a guardian meaning the Law Right. Hebrews eight verse. Thirteen is even more explicit by calling this covenant new. He has made the old or sorry. He has made the first one obsolete. And what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear will suck on that Moses. I wish yeah right. You're out of date you're done son. I mean if I were a Christian I'd be a little worried by the prediction that the mosaic law would quote soon disappeared ahead to the office. Moses boom I think you know considering the fact that there are still plenty of Jewish people around the world practicing those laws two thousand years later that that disappearing soon thing might be problematic but soon can mean a lot of things. So what are the new laws? What are the rules? Jesus is using to replace the hundreds of old laws laws that encompass everything from how you cut your hair to where you're supposed to stand when your friend goes to get something to secured a loan that you're giving him well. Christians are pleased to announce that they've boiled it all down to one law which is outlined in Galatian. Five for the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command. Love your neighbor as yourself Only law now instead of driving yourself bonkers trying to remember whether you can or can't eat squirrels or how many birds you're supposed to sacrifice every month for the sin of menstruating. There's only one to remember. It's so easy. Yeah so if the New Testament is so clear that everybody can disregard the old covenant then why do Christian still read the damn thing? Why why do they see it as anything but an outdated bunch of writing by theological primitives? It's the Bible silly. Obviously you can't say one thing very clearly without also presenting the exact opposite point just as clearly some sometimes on the same page indeed literally a few times. The New Testament constantly refers to the Old Testament as holy scripture. In Luke Chapter Twenty Four Jesus tells his followers about how important they are Which makes about how important they meaning the Old Testament? Laws are which makes sense considering. He's positioning himself to be the fulfillment of so many of the prophecies in right. You can't be the Messiah that the Old Testament has promised if the Old Testament is bullshit. Am I right it tracks so yeah so Paul says to his main man timothy quote all scripture is God breathed and is useful for teaching rebuking correcting and Training and righteousness can now considering the fact that the Old Testament was kind of a work in progress. At that moment Paul could only have been referring to the old shit and then there's the coup de Gras the big. Daddy it's Jesus his very self just five chapters into the New Testament in bright red letters. Giving the most important sermon in the whole book. The sermon on the Mount. This is Matthew Chapter Five. Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them for truly I tell you until heaven. Unearth disappear not the smallest letter not the least stroke of a pen will by any means disappear from the law until everything is accomplished therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called in will be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven. Pretty conclusive yes me. Yeah have it straight from the horse's mouth it's clear as day? The old laws still apply. Yup of course it's the Bible so he spends the rest of the sermon talking about how obsolete the old laws think. Jesus was the perfect cult leader. He was dynamic and uplifting with radical ideas that were so simple that they barely meant anything at all. The only laws love sounds great. Until you try practicing it for a while and then suddenly realized that my version of loving you is bumping up against your version of loving me. And even when everybody's love loving everybody else disputes. Still pop up and somebody's got to sort it all out. That's why you have to have a second guy young to follow your Josephson's rights David Cabbage to follow your l Ron Hubbard monon she sheila to your Bhagwan Rajini hard-nosed asshole who lays down the law after the first guy sets up the pretend utopia well. That was Paul's job and it was impossible. There's too many circles to square. You can't just you just can't do it. The answer is always both so in his second letter. To current to the Corinthians Paul came up with the out that has fucked up Christianity. Ever since the concept that could very possibly be responsible for turning America into the dystopia on Shit Burning Don dumpster. Fire that it is today. The idea that everything is wrong and everything is right and a righteous person has all the tools they need to figure it out for themselves quote. He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant. Not the letter of but the but not of the letter but of the spirit for the letter kills but the spirit gives life for La competent problem solve and now everybody thinks that they know better than the experts on everything. Yeah great thanks Paul. What an ASS. I don't think I've come to. I don't think I've come to any decent conclusions on whether or not the Christian should give up on the Old Testament. I think they'd be crazy crazy to hold onto it because it is as we've discussed many times stupid and terrible and terrible and yet they can't let go of it because Jesus told them up but they let go the thing is they let go of almost all of it right like the dietary restrictions. The you know the bylaws about how to treat slaves of the laws all of the law. Yeah let go of entirely except that top ten yep which are kind of meaningless because everybody understands that in just sort of by nature. Let's be honest. The only people who know the entirety of the ten commandments are atheists also. This is the problem with malleable ideology. If it can mean anything it also means nothing and and the Bible is is a perfect example of the meaninglessness of an ideology so I think the American Christian heart lies in the Old Testament not in the new even though they they've kind of have Jesus is this Potemkin village frontman but one hundred percent. Do they do love the Old Testament laws for other people ranking as a gay man my whole life heard what an abomination to the to the. Lord. I am right up there with oysters right. So you're almost as bad as an oyster mine. Bad Lesser Owl. But they're happy for those to apply to other people but never to themselves right and it's so interesting I literally. I read this amount for this piece in part because one of the one of the articles that I read was one. That sort of rocked. Christianity was written. I think last year by a guy. I don't remember his name but anyway it was it was it asked the question. Why are Christians trying to get the ten commandments up on you know in courthouses and whatever? Why aren't they trying to get the b the the sermon on the Mount Up? They're trying to get the beatitudes up there right. So I read through the sermon on the Mount. I you know what I would i. I can't imagine a modern American Christian actually believing that stuff all this love about turn the other cheek literally. It says if a guy hits you you're supposed to let him hit you again. Would that really is if you send it and hit him back. If you see someone in public wearing a mask you should spit in their face is. That's the meaning of that right. That's right that's the thing. Is that this fealty for the Old Testament By Christians over the new is. This is not what we're trying to talk about today but it helps explain Donald Trump because donald trump is nothing like the character of Jesus whatsoever. But he's always very much like several old testament characters including Raven. Yeah Yeah it's it's kind of it's kind of astounding when you realize that these quote unquote followers of Jesus have so little to do with what Jesus actually ever said. Yeah Eb if you're not if you're not in their group and you know going to their church and following the rules that their pastor has set down date fuck you can go to you and the fuck loving you. They'RE GONNA HATE I. I find that the more demonstrative Christian person is like when you see you know Christian in. Somebody's twitter bio they are borderline evil. They're it is the cruelty that is the entirety of the Old Testament. That they're spitting out into the world. Right they they they're Jesus is just window-dressing and right and I think he's partly at fault because of what he said. He allegedly said the alleged person. Yeshua on in the sermon on the mount that I am. I am the laws right right. I nothing changes so I just I just love the he said Love Everybody. Let them hit you if they want to give them everything. Give up everything. Don't be rich and then Paul said Yeah but you can discern for yourself and everybody was like cool. I'm GonNa hit people and be right. Yeah right exactly because it's you know it's to aspire to the the expectations Jesus put on. His followers is hard ride. Like it's give away everything you own for the Kingdom of God and follow me and all that shit but aspiring to King Cyrus or to David in the Old Testament is easy because terrible people and more emotionally satisfying because you don't deprive yourself of anything. You're just busy depriving other people of whatever you know you think is a problem right because you love them mark because you love the love of Jesus and and you know David is the perfect example of like an American Christian. You can be as long as you are quote chosen or as long as you are quote saved. Nothing else matters. None of your behavior matters. Look at King David. Right so I think it's a problem guys. I imagine I imagine the guy. The guys who marched into the Michigan State House with their guns screaming at these cops and whatever and then I imagined reading to them the passage where Jesus says yet. It's bad to murder but you know what it also is. It's bad to be mad at somebody right. It's bad to call somebody names and equates them he says it's just as bad. You're going to be judged for that too and you tell that to those guys they will not be able to hear you. I guarantee you know so I if if they truly want to believe that the the Old Testament still doesn't a effect every corner of their lives than they should stop selling as a match fucking set exactly exactly so get out there and go to your parents place in rip out the Old Testament for them just to take the new with it. That's problematic as well. So yeah I mean. That's a lot of good rolling papers for all you. 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Ep. - 297 - THE VOW PART 2: BEHIND THE SCENES OF NXIVM DEAF U ON NETFLIX

Reality Life with Kate Casey

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Ep. - 297 - THE VOW PART 2: BEHIND THE SCENES OF NXIVM DEAF U ON NETFLIX

"Welcome back to another episode of Reality With Casey. I hope that you had a great weekend I watched deaf you on that flex and binged it in one night. This is a show you definitely want to put on your list. Nile demarco is the Creator and producer. You'll probably recognize him from America's next top model. He was a contestant in two thousand fifteen, and then he went on to dancing with the stars and he was the first deaf contestant to win the whole competition. He's dropped at gorgeous dark hair light is I mean insanely gorgeous. Turns out. He is a graduate of Gallaudet. University in DC, which is the world's only Liberal Arts College for the deaf I actually went to school close to Gal yet and my apartment when I lived on Capitol Hill was. Not Too far away from that. So I would see students from Gallia out all the time. So it's kind of fun to watch the show kind of gives me peace of home. Well, this is a great show because it's about college, which is like the best time it's that coming of age time this is the show not only about these deaf students but hookups activism awkward dates in late nights and clubs. So everything that you experience in college. And being deck sort of as the backdrop. So. As I mentioned, Nile is a graduate of guy you'd at himself. So he wanted to create a show that really showed the. Very rich life of deaf students so It's everything from the deathly which are descendants of well-known families on campus to those teetering between hearing world and death one. So some students rely on hearing AIDS or cochlear implants, but others Xiaomi idea of talking in anything but American sign language. So it's interesting because few presents this chance to reframe the world's understanding of what it means to be deaf and it offers us all this entrance into a world, which is still rich and culture. So layered so diverse and I think the show doesn't outstanding job of it, for example. Some of the characters Rodney has a co clear implant. He's like a total ladies man decline Taylor has tough time talking about his feelings in the first episode. Let's an emotional detail drop his family forgot to tell him that he was hard of hearing as a child. He said that one day you went home and told his mom I can't hear out of my left ear and then she explained the whole story about you're really sick at age six had a seizure, and now you can hear very clear which I can't even imagine how you come to terms with that. Cheyenne Anna is this beautiful blue eyed blond who has a bunch of instagram followers and you would think that she would be the one that kind of runs the school runs the. Click She's got a youtube page and she posts all of these videos of her trying to live in a hearing world like she gives you the example like when she tries to get. To recognize her voice and Siri never understands what she says, but she gets pushed back from the girls at Gallia debt. Girls that are described as the deaf elite. Those are the girls from families who've had families that have been for generations and whose first language is American sign language. They are annoyed by her because they think that the videos that she makes cater to too much to those that here and that she doesn't speak in the proper way like the American sign language. Very proper way. So she learns that of this, she asked at one point like am I not deaf enough is trying to fit in and you would think that she would be. The popular girl, but she's not at all she's actually rejected. Decathlon. Describes how some people guy you criticize him for choosing to speak and not use sign language all the time. So there's the struggle of like hyphen off within the confines of the school. And then there's Alexa she's one of the students that grew up fully immersed in the deaf community. She was brought up in Frederick Frederick Maryland, and attended the Maryland School for the deaf and spent her entire school life basically in an environment surrounded by people who are deaf. So she's part of this elite group of students on campus. So you would think like she's got an easier walk through life, but she talks a lot about her personal life and dating, and she comes from this family that's broken but our parents are just so open and our conversations about her sex life and being a woman are so. I was actually inspired by I'm like this is a young woman who so opened with her parents and I it was really interesting to watch. But as I mentioned, she's part of that community. So she grew up in what was considered delete community which privilege access. So I, just found it to be really interesting and also it's interesting because Nile said that actually ninety percent of the. Over the overwhelming majority, ninety percent according to the National Institute of Deafness and other communication? Disorders. Are Deaf that are are born to parents who don't speak ASL and don't have the same access to deaf culture and community. So you're only talking about ten percent of those. That are deaf that had access to the Steph schools. So they were waiting through waters of in a hearing world. So it's almost like the real world, but also you're learning this entire inside world about being deaf. So I really recommend it. I really really loved it. I. Think you're GONNA love it. I did a crossover episode this week with Kate, Kennedy. From either and five, and she told me to watch sour grapes and that's documentary about wine fraud and she also told me to watch a youtube treasure called provos most eligible, which is like a rip on the Bachelor. So I'm going to be watching that I will also watch the premiere of the BACHELORETTE. This sounds like a real shit show season because Clare was stuck in quarantine did a little bit of research and all the contestants fell in love with one of them through GM's. They show up at the resort that's Cova D- safe, and she basically falls in love and doesn't want to go through the motions so they bring in another Bachelorette. I think can be interesting to watch. I will be watching that I've already seen the episode the Premiere episode of Real Housewives of Orange County. I don't think it blew my hair back. I will tell you this the last few minutes of Orange. County, are interesting. So I think that it's worth it just to catch up on the last four minutes Bronwyn is going to be open about something that she's been keeping quiet for a while. So watch that and tell me what you think. Now, I'm hoping that you guys have been watching the vow, which is the documentary series following a number of people deeply involved in the Self Improvement Group nexium over the course of several years. So nexium is this multi level marketing company based near of all places, Albany New, York offering personal and professional development seminars through its executive success programs of large group awareness training. So as you know, the company's been widely described as a colt and his alleged to have been a recruiting platform for a secret society often called DOS. Or. Thou in which women were branded and forced into sexual slavery. So in early two, thousand eighteen nexium founder Keith Ranieri and his Associate Actress Allison Mack were arrested and indicted on federal charges relating to DOS including sex trafficking and others associated with the next Sam. We're also charged with federal crimes. So the DOCU series brings former nexium members including filmmaker mark for Sunday actresses, Selah Edmonson Bonnie Pa's, and Edmund husband Anthony aims who speak about their experiences within nexium. So of them Edmondson was the only one draft into this. For the purpose of recruitment rather than being a sex slave as though she thought. So the series also features Catherine Oxen Burke from dynasty who worked to free her daughter India from Ranieri and Dos. So over the past few episodes since my first episode with Frank Parlato, kind of deep diving into behind the scenes of Nexium, we saw that Rainier was the one who founded dos, which was pretending to be this women's empowerment wing within nexium led by Allison mack the actress. So in the DOS, if a woman was recruited she Would be held completely accountable to her master who in turn would have her own master and grandmaster leading up to Rainier. So the master would then provide their slaves with tasks such responding whenever they contacted the ladder doing penance and even counting calories. Soon, example of penance would be you didn't respond to my text message within sixty seconds. So you have to sleep on the floor tonight or you have to cut down your caloric intake even more than it already is or you have to run laps something of that sort so. While next was the umbrella organization, it had these sub organizations within them and genus was purported to be this group for women while the Society of protectors also called. SAP, was this group for men. So since we last spoke to frank, there's been a couple of episodes. So episode five Catherine believes her daughter India is in danger and wants her to come home. So she in the former members were unable to get the attention of authorities. So they went to the New York, times. So they were weighing the pros and cons of going on the record and then episode sex when they didn't see any action by the authorities Sarah. Market nippy contacted additional news outlets to provoke outrage and pressure law enforcement to pay attention, and finally the New York Times puts out the article and we also caught up with Barbara Bouchet who was a former board member and early defector who shared her insights into nexium and reflected on her time and Keats inner circle and she showed us crazy things like these videos that she would make for them, calling them like basically like deities. Episode. Salmon. So after they learned that the New York Attorney General's chief investigator was interested in building criminal case against Keith Catherine traveled to buffalo to meet with Frank Poor Lotto the gentleman I interviewed creator of the Anti Nexium blog at the frank report to build a dossier of evidence and then the last episode, which was the Sunday. As the group gathered evidence for the FBI testimonies, they express their beliefs about the curriculums of s O P genetics. Remember gymnast is the Women's Group and soapy society protectors is the men's and women's groups within nexium. So they talk about how it reshaped their ideas generals in society and may have laid the foundation for DOS. So. Here's what we're really did head many of the meetings of gymnast. So even though it was a women's group, he's the one sitting at and like in front of them all talking, which is already super weird and they're all just kind of sitting there and they're all emaciated and it's so. Horrible to watch So we basically used the group to tell women that they were unreliable and disloyal, much more disloyal than men. So in one session, he tells the women involved that for men allies or functional whereas for women, allies or social. So he goes on to say that men have inherent belief in the nature of women that they are emotional and not trust worthy, which is super ridiculous I must up. So in the society of protectors reported that men were really victims recounting childhood experience. So we were called girl supposedly hitting him with a bucket. When he responded in like it was he who was reprimanded. So he believed that women are protected their whole lives and not broken down or humiliated by experiences like men are and believes that this is why women were different because they were treated like princesses. So in other words, we have suffered the humiliation over the years and we carry the weight on our shoulders of the world and we are constantly broken down and you all. Women of the world are just treated. Like princesses because you cry and you wind and you get what you want, and also because you use sex to control us and your little time, you're sitting there with your head tilted and you're like, they're believing this nonsense and I'm going to tell you why they believe this nonsense because they were exhausted meet were malnourished. They had been taking these courses for so long that they had. Basically relieved themselves or isolated themselves from everybody in their life who was not part of nexium. So they don't have people outside or going why are you spending all your money on this nonsense? Given away their jobs. So they can focus on this organization and over time it's been a slow burn where they have been systematically brainwashed by giving them this ridiculous information and they're part of this community which they now believe. Are. Not only they're only friends but they are collectively doing something that no one else in the world can do, which is to save the world. Which is, I, know you guys are laughing right now listening to this but I swear to God these people believed it and it's sad but it happens so he Also said that masculinity is not something that is bad and neither is power or aggression. Yeah. He sitting there is like it's good to be aggressive. So he credits men with being able to subjugate their emotions and comfort and all of those needs to a purpose. So the s o p the society protectors the men's group has readiness drills where the members were taxed at odd hours in. The morning or the night to respond to them, which usually involve them getting dressed and heading outside during the very cold hours of the morning as shown in one of the instances in episodes. So they're doing pushups they're doing planks. So like the DOS s o p also at principles of penance where if they messed up, they would have to address with exercises like a three minute plank. So, you start to see an episode how they started to get the women to do these reading readiness exercises I. in small groups, they would make them all do planks, and then they would berate them for not having the physical strength to do it. And then you understand that Keith was bringing this sense tactics the strategy into the women of Dos. So the readiness drills as I mentioned is like getting a tax in the middle of the night and not answering it within sixty seconds. So if you're not ready to be totally committed to this group to your slave to your master than you are not worthy of this incredible group, this incredible group by the way that is asked you to give lots and lots of collateral in the form of naked photos of yourself that D- to your properties falsified documents all in the name of the group so This episode is a follow up to my first interview with frank from the Frank Report and he answers some more of your questions. So if you have not watched the vow rest assured, you can listen to this interview and it will just wet your appetite. So you're like, okay. Now I really have to go and watch this and kind of figure out what's going on. If you've already watched the episodes you'll be pleased to now it's even additional information and you can go further down that rabbit hole when you're sitting on the couch and you don't want to watch someone next to you is watching and you want something to read. This is right up your alley. As you will hear. It's even more crazy behind the scenes. So I give you my great great great Gust Frank PARLATO. Looking for a way to smile these days I find that the best way to smile is by making someone else smile and the best way I know to make people smile donating to smiletrain smiletrain treats clefts by sponsoring surgery in central care for children whose families can't afford it. 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So in a way, it was sort of like working for the company store. Deeply, involved people. Were seventy eighty ninety hours per week when they get a minimum wage kind of. token amounts for their efforts and get free. Access to the classes. Now. was there anybody that was close to Clare and Sarah did they have friends particularly Clare did Chia friends within the organization that she was extremely tight with and Navy therefore protected in a way she did not protect the others. I don't think clear was much of a protected type of screw one of the closest friends with Sally Brink. And and brinks are she? Spoke Clare Sentencing about how wrench got cancer. Keeps neary had advised everybody matches, support her financially. She was broke of course working for Nexen and so clare who could easily helped pay for. Chemotherapy. Because renewing told her not to he, she she declined to offer any money although she did offer some encouraging words. I would say the Clare was not close with anybody, but a number of people were can tolerate her and they. Adopted a funding attitude towards her because of her? Who Will Empower, in the company. There were so many women. That had cancer succumb to cancer. How many women do you have any sense of how many women had cancer who work for their organization? Yes, so you have a sense of the The All of the women that lived close with Keefe and his closest associate. Nancy Salzman all cancer. in addition, there was another woman who had. Gifted her. State. which was about three or four million dollars to keep the gut. Cancer. She died. chewed four women that lived with teeth get cancer and died the other two got cancer and lived. Celebrant is an interesting place because. She got cancer it kind of coincided with their desire to leave the organization and take husband. With them. Every. Opportunity to keep strangely enough for Quincy Nutley. How did they? Treat the cancer in some related colts like scientology. They have a very odd way of telling their parishoners congregants to treat cancer. How did Keith do that with his personal? Well because Keith was the smartest considered to be the smartest man of the world. None of these women. Considered. Any course of treatment without his. Guidance and permission. And what I think happened was the. Two winning that Avoided, his Co. The to two women. That were in his inner circle who avoided his guidance and secretly took A. Therapy. That is a traditional they live. In the ones that followed his guidance therapy guy. Do you know if there are any any existing members who watched the vow or have been watching the vow and decided to leave since the series has come out? Interesting question. The what we have lost. In next in, America? Canada and Mexico. And Ireland are some pretty guy hard. Members and I don't think that they are. Shaken by out of anything, they seem to be more determined to remain. Well. A few including Nikki Klein were on CBS morning Sistine that the story of the vows and true. What is the status of the existing group? We talked a little bit about this. It seems like Nikki is sort of at the forefront. How many people are in the existing group they go by a different name and how do they operate? Rosa Brooklyn Group goes by a variety of names. So we are as you the forgotten ones make justice blind. This is a core group of about seven people who have all taken up residence in Brooklyn, and so they could be near. Keith Raniry and clear Brockman who both now reside in the Metropolitan Detention Center. Federal Holding. Center, Brooklyn. And that number is seven right now. And what they're doing for remarry in their effort to try to help them is actually hurting in the worst possible way. What I mean by that is that their antics the dancing in front of the prison. Head, stand, working, and creating. A kind of a noise nuisance in front of the prison combined with their English face attitude towards the Department of Justice Prosecutors. which included storming over to their offices cameras, trying to compel them to sign an affidavit admitting or denying that they committed prosecutorial misconduct. Set will with judges the judges rather and more importantly The Bureau of Prisons. Why, this is going to be a problem for key through Mary is that actually sentenced on October twenty seven? Most likely to a term of life in prison, it would be up to the bureau of prisons to determine where he is going to be assigned with four incriminate Chris. On the point for problem based on the Kucan. Crazy fanatical. Is Manson life followers. Assigned him to Florence Colorado Supermax, but he will be solid confinement or a minimum. Years. WHO's the woman with Nikki on the morning news and is she the one that was used in reenactments on the bow? Yes. We. Are you talking about Michelle Hatches in the African? American. The the woman who was sitting next to her talking to CBS morning news she seemed to be the one that was in the reenactments. But what is her story? Where did she come from? She. Was Living. Connecticut a belief. And from you know fairly affluent family. She joined ex- in some years ago and she. She came many other people in the Emerald by less your career. Your family behind. She becoming full-time nexium. Devotee. In due course of time, she was recruited by Ellison Neck, you become a. Sling. And she was. Ellison Max Slave. When Ellison was arrested. She switched over to become Mickey Klein's slave. Does you. So do you think that Nikki is still running a slave master version with Keith in prison and so many people that have left nexium? Do you think that there is an existing dos unit right now? Absolutely, there's one in Mexico this one in. The there are. A number of deaths slaves under Nikki cline L.. Still, do. Things starvation diets the. sleep deprivation the readiness drills the wake up. Any time in the middle of the night and respond to their master within sixty seconds. Is. Just insane does anyone really believe that. That nexium cured that man's Tourette's syndrome. Well he believes. The man's name is Mark Kelly and he's I seen videos of him who had the worst case throughout she was kicking. Constantly. In could barely get a sentence without kicking. He He. Is. Not, suffering from. Toronto now. and. He believes that it was. The Nancy and chief Nancy Saltzman teacher in your put him on. in addition dishing to that, I, spoke with a girl Isabel first name. And She also. I live uterus. My believes she was sure to ratify who? Had seen him keep her on. Okay just crazy. What okay everybody wanted me to ask you this what is it that you said to? Catherine when you ask to stop filming. Well We the Film crew and Kareem Amir's insult was there could to. Folks about. They were filming everything. And there was some sensitive stuff that I wanted to talk with Catherine about the actual. Legal Strategy, some of which would have. been potentially damaging as evidence to people that I wanted to have cooperate with the. With the government with law enforcement and I did not want. While, he's trying to convert these people into witnesses. I would not want their crimes exposed. on. Television, what they had. In addition, this was very sensitive. Now never pulled this before. Escaping slave came to me and she. Brought me the collateral. And I wanted that collateral turned over to the authorities, which is what we did and I had in my possession I. Didn't want to say on HBO to. The actual. discussed. Blackmail were-they collateral. I was in my profession and I wanted to turn go to. Do you see former members coming forward once the finale approaches. What we have seen some people coming out now telling their stories. Evening Avars. Who was quiet for years she left when he was arrested now just recently is starting to tell a story. I was told wanted keeps inner inner circle members who I have. Spoken with many times. is coming out she will be coming out in telling this story. So I think that we will see some of that. Was Keith convinced that he was GonNa Sleep for Sarah Edmonson. Do. You think he thought there was a chance for that to happen. Not only didn't think there was a chance he planned to do so. And he Selah Asmundsson was a quote unquote. Of Lauren Saltzman. And we learned from trials. Through warns testimony. That He. told, Lauren. That Syra had understand as a slave that his commands. Superseded anything in every relationship including that of her husband and he specifically said was coaching in. hypothetical terms, but we knew that mind by knowing the man. That that would mean that fight orders who does have sex. She would gladly do it but if I ordered. Held her husband's. When she has to do that as well. So, then that that would be the same for any other married woman in next In dos Santos say if someone joins and they're already married, they are told the same directions keep the secret from your spouse. So if Would it be possible that someone within the slave The within DOS could be having a sexual relationship with Keith and their spouse would have no idea. Now only could happen did happen take case of soldiers the DOS late testified in the. Trial. And she testified that, Clare? Men Toiling sponsor and supposedly print had told her okay. You're we were giving permission to marry. John. WHO's also next member, but at first rule is You may not have sex with him for two years will allow you to marry. You can't have sex the two years with him. And Well agree to it thinking that the wisest man in the world and his. Top Ten Clare Brockman new best for them for their life. So they. Recording Sylvan, they did not have sex meantime. She became a dust. And keep commander to. have sex with him, and of course, not to tell. Her husband. She told her husband until after. fell apart in she. and. So how did her husband react or was he still under the belief that Keith new best? You know I think the point where she finally told him they both no longer to believe could keep your best. And I would imagine they had some You know some reconcilable kind of discussion here over. The matter in. Fairness. To Sylvie she she suggested to it as a requirement for slavery she certainly did not seek. Rainier out. She certainly claims that it was not something that she did accept sort of like holding who knows and tolerating thinking she had to do it. This is that was what was fired for. And where they were the slaves also told you are not allowed those that were married. You're not allowed to have children. Well keep controlled every aspect of. Anyone who he allowed you staying. There their lights? And so Um. In certain since he certainly talks. Could have children with the married. Ones that would all depend on whether he wanted to have sex with that woman they had there was some married couples if he didn't really. desire those women, and they have a greater degree of freedom. Why does keyed hate women so much where did this start? Do. We have any information about his relationship with his mother there seems to have been something that sort of was the precursor to all this vitriol for women. Interestingly. His mother was an interesting Relationship They father in the mother broke up when he was young. Seventy eight sold a belief and Then you've lived just as modern, she missile some kind of a lonely woman who had only. Cheap Just Keith and her living together in a fairly big house. and. She had no friends and. She kind of absorb or spent. You know all the time the whole license. Let's. Keep. Used Too often tell his his girls friends particularly Tony. The tally how his mother used to make him. Dance. With her. What's And It's been. Supposed by more than a few people who have served in strange. Description of his relationship with his mother that there may have been some abuse there. Well, that the scene in the beginning of each episode where it seems like there's a woman dancing with a boy I guess that would be their acknowledgement of his odd relationship with his mother I. Mean that kind of tracks that there has to have been some abuse because he really hates women there has to be some place where it comes from didn't any of those members of the Society of protectors at any time go okay. This seems a little bit aggressive. I'm not comfortable with the tone of this. Type of people got in the the the men if you can call them that. that he attracted we're not what you would call physically. Kinda. Then you'd associate with protecting women in other words the name was A. MISNOMER. I protect your name were. Society. Potential misogynous So he was basically looking for men that could easily be programmed because they're already there are something already exists within them that would make them the perfect target. Right and I think it sounded pretty hefty. A lot of these men understood. That remarry was prince of your. He was enjoying everything. We gotta hear him with women. Is Every word was the women's in his harems command. He would. have been fighting to do his laundry fighting for the opportunity to competing with each other pick up a Burrito for him. And these. then. If, you can call me that they sort of were. Enamored with the idea or the promise of the society protectors that they too. Could be kings and lords of their author Harem. and. One of the most interesting things key promulgated to them to new. Stuff. Man. Is that Women. Who are affect seques according to keep can who are Shipley who are? Victims always wanting to play the ones who are entitled princesses. This is language not mine. were. Only interested in. The man who could protect him best and they were not opposed to Polygamous relationships. a with a man that is the. They wouldn't object. You're man having many women but women by natured must be monogamous. Essentially, he was telling them then that they could have their own here harems just like. It's A ribbon accepted that how many of these women? Were in the group accepted that idea. While they were being programmed mean they were targeted because there were something in them. That was already seeking approval, and then they were overtime systematically brainwashed. I am so postel, these men I just so they knew these guys especially the one that was the best man in Nippy and Sarah's wedding. He knew that Keith was sleeping with all these women. We've so. Whatever happened to him is he still in the nation? I believe so. And does this guy have like a normal job or he's just a full time employee of Nexium? I'm not sure of his present. Employment Status. And then another question I had watching their stories mark and nippy both especially nippy in last episode make reference to being quite sensitive. Being unlike other men that they grew up They grew up different from their their siblings were very sensitive is so are they is there are they intimating that there that they were sexually fluid I I was trying to figure out what their point was. I. Don't know I I have not Seen, any indications that? The neither of them like fi with agenda, other than their own and Prefer. The. Amorous relationships with. Opposite Gender. But I did observe. that. When I was there with maxine working with them, always never remember I get observed that. Most of them than were the kind of men that were not. Leadership Type men but rather. Kind of software follower. Haiku. who weren't very certify say okay. Own. Today were tyrone. Yeah. They were targeted because they're easy followers that makes sense. Now I I've read that mark was a member of another cope forehand called rump a the enlightenment school that. that he was part of before jumping ship and then eventually nexium. Were you familiar with that and was there within nexium mistake Ma against him because he had already been a member of this other organization before he joined. I am familiar with Romford quite a few articles about this preposterous of fraud. Wearing. A woman claims thirty. Thirty five thousand year old spirit. Or ghost enters her body and gives her followers The direction in life. but I don't think there was really any stigma out it. I don't think even really well known would marcus there. What did you think about his reaction to Catherine Teasing Bonnie about sleeping in a dog bed? He was unlike any reaction I'd ever seen of him He seems so even-tempered throughout this whole series and that one moment he really got quite upset What did you think about that scene? I think that March is a slow to anger person but then I think once he gets angry, it gets pretty angry. And I think that that was an instance of mark. when you? Finally no true align. And I think in the bigger picture. Was a follower of he was a loyal follower. There was a point with just through the line is his. His manhood came out. So we can he became under the engine spirit. Who went after? He. Really. Good a lot to take him down. Whatever happened to Danielle the doctor who branded the women. Well if you if you had wanted to see her on Friday. She was in front of the Metropolitan Tension Center underneath the prison cell with key through neary. Doing a head stand since spreading her. Upside. down. And he could. He even see these people. Yeah. That's why. Well well when he goes to Colorado and is in solitary confinement, these people are up Shits Creek I. Don't know who they're going to dance for them because it's not going to be happening for them. And it's my understanding that Clare, even though she's in prison that she already set everything up financially for the next two years. Yeah. So to the extent that she's permitted national, committee contact. and. I believe she's Now whether this'll change I. Don't know once she's in prison she finally wakes up to the reality that Following keeps near. Is Not going to be beneficial in Your Life As, you know she got sentenced to eighty one months in prison wenge the sentencing guidelines for only two years is a crime she was convicted of. So I think she. May. Wake Up. And have you received any word back about Clare's reaction to that eighty-one month. Long sentence because as you mentioned, the prosecutors asked for less. Right, well, I do know the courtroom seems pretty gripping on. Some people thought that she was going to get probation some thoughts you can get two years. No one thought she get more than five years when he said he wants. She could barely rise to scan thinking she can go home and get stuck fares in order and then report back to prison, and she was pretty wobbly as it was. And then when he said the judge said no Your to go immediately to prison. I think she couldn't jokes fallen over and I leave. She didn't even know where she wasn't a more. Wow and she's frail because she starves herself still just like the rest of them so. I I can't imagine it's going to easier for her especially living such a life of privilege but. It. Is Astounding that she's still so devoted to him. So. It'll be very interesting to hear over time especially because no one's writing her letters at least Keith gets all these fan letters. No one cares about Claire Right. I think that's true. even her own family couldn't find their way over. Your to be at her sentencing she had no one. I think it's the story for life. She has no one never had anyone that wasn't there the her money. Yes. But she also made it that way. But that's put your finger on it. That's absolutely correct. We're almost every instance with people to get into this call. saw whatever they have dissolved lost their money they lost. Friends they lost their family. but they had this community of like minded people who all believe that they were more successful. Part of that, probably was their belief that they were going to change the world that they were. Workers for futures managed to make the world more noble place and that delusion I think helps sustain them. It's the same language that you hear in scientology that you hear Leah remmy say that they all believe that they were going to change the world I guess the funniest part about it is. Every single person that starts taking courses for nexium they were all told. The people that are in this organization are so successful, but all of them just took courses all day long like no one was running a corporation known was a member of political. Office. No one was featured on a major. Major movies, the actresses that were part of it. We're all on the same show. So it's like it's surprising and sort of. The funny that they all bought this package deal like. Success so successful, we're all successful they none of them were successful. Right, but there was an appearance of success to the new recruit. Here you had. Kristen crew. Housing Nancy. Grace Park, Chris. Logan. Lewd Weaker Polite A. Famous Mexican actress she had these attractive and glamorous actresses than you had the seagram barristers that were part of the group you had a son and daughter of former Mexican president. He had rich in policy people but they weren't really rich and powerful because they had earned consults right? He's trust fund. Eastwood Children of the rich and colorful who were not. Particularly, bright for people both earning anything themselves. Okay. Why was Allison Mack always crying Every video she's crying, she just seems like she's ready to fall apart at every instance she's High up in the organization people a great respect for her but it seems like she was always on the verge of a mental breakdown. Well she was mentally unbalanced. You Starve a woman. Take away all the money. You don't let her sleep. and you make her believe that she's part of the greatest thing in the world and you constantly tell her how she feels. And The. Result of all books four or five factors is going to be a fair amount of tears. In addition, thousand is an actress and. They're capable of. Creating a scene where she cries. Yeah. That's a good point. That's good point. Okay. My my last question is about Kristen Son Gaylon. Do we know where he is in the world. Yes I know where he is and not spend a lot of time with that boy. Oh I think there's Believe these to be an old. Rule of honor if you had a duel with men and you destroyed him, you had to take care of his son. And I've got a lot of time I have looked after the point I have innocence kind of trying to make sure. Okay. Provided housing for him and. and his mother and You know the don't everything I could she is. Made. A markle healing healing. The boy himself as a very bright boy and. It's now we've. Just turned fourteen. And Mike my greatest hope is that he can can older come. Unfortunate legacy of having such A. given. Father. But. But I believe that he's got every chance of being a success in life. It makes me so happy and she so brave. And and I'm hoping that she receives all of the support she deserves after coming forward and telling her story, all L, all of them, really especially the women and just seeing the last episode what they've been put through. Its insistent fury to watch. But I hope that they know that there are. So many people that have watched the series and are just hoping that they rise above it all and turn this. Very odd life experience into something great and and use it to to really help other people and I sure that they will. The speaking of the boy feeling. He was only allowed to take birth. Because he didn't know. Kristen is pregnant. He would farting abortion. So You know he's a kind of miracle. Child on the way. And I think the Christians been very gray and is getting braver. which she did was you know an active here was. And some of these other women may be inspired by her. I hope so and then the the youngest one, the other son he must be what? Three years old four years old now. We being sean was tree as last August and he lives in Mexico. That's right and his name is bonkers it is the most unusual Wackadoo name I've ever seen in my whole life. It's Nation of keeping his mother's name key t mark Jason Mariana. Five names long it's the. Is Louie. Is Luica Politis still on the still nexium. No she's got. Okay. I'm amused sadly amused by the weird names that Nikki's keeps coming up with for this new organization. The forgotten ones we are, what is it? We are as. We always you. You I mean, what's I mean sometimes. Listen, this is all really frustrating material and you are helping so many people at some point. Do you just look at these people and just kind of have a good laugh about some of the absurdities like the names are just nuts? Well you can't help but laugh sometimes when. Some of the antics I feel a little bad. Just. Because of these antics we've gone. Pre almost certainly going to send him to like a super match supermax facility. That, we could have been sentenced to it just a regular maximum security. Prison where he could have missed seen other human beings and maybe. had. Some kind of A. Wife. Such words. What they do in the Supermax as you are in a seven foot by twelve foot cell. Twenty three hours a day. One hour a day. Go out into another room. It's like thirty by twenty. Turn our she can run around a little bit and then you back in your room you don't even see the guards that brings you the food because it's putting between two doors. So you get no human contact. One phone call once for fifteen minutes and. Just the terrible kind of. Inhuman. Torture. And if we're supposed to be be better through Miri. Oh. We aren't showing that by the way punish some of our prisoners. Do. We know if he has has gotten cove nineteen at all. Government appears that he has. But I know that he had lice that I did read. Advice and he had some some Bruce. Last, stolen broken from him. Some of the prisoners beat him up. Not Standing his claims. Judo experts. Right Oh that's a great point. That's a great point. Yeah. What happened in that or to use his volleyball skills he couldn't like spike somebody I mean he was a master volleyball player to. Be coined. The volleyball people just kick it over loud either I think it's because. It's an easy sport to play all year long in Albany and I also think that. Making them play a sport in a Middle School Gym. Late at night that it made him look a little bit more of the athlete that he dreamed himself to be that if it were in broad daylight like let's say outside on like a sand court. That's probably true. The other. Is. The two people that attended that had just gotten up at five in the morning. And they went to their next thing intensive stateful nine o'clock at night they would have to get up again in a few hours. He did. Successfully Rob. The women who came to watch him over night's sleep. Should have a solid gain for him. And then if a member were pregnant In just somebody who was taking courses would they be required to have this similar sleep schedule? I can't imagine that anybody could have a healthy pregnancy at all if associated with this group. But yeah. If you were a member of you know of of the group as opposed to just a stray student, is that every student became a member? Some of them just took the course since. If you WANNA since if he was the father, you would have no choice as to whether the child would be aborted or. Permitted to be born. And there was dozens of abortions. if you weren't sleeping with them, then you you you wouldn't be on the same kind of rules they say. Wow. We've covered so much and the sad part about it is we probably have not even hit the iceberg. So if people go to the Frank Report, you can deep dive. In the best way you don't need to buy a book this week just start reading the website. You will go down rabbit hole after rabbit hole, and if you've been really taken by this whole series, you're going to get much more background on it. Of course, you can watch the series that frank was involved with on. Investigation discovery the loss woman of nexium frank is there anything else that you're working on that? They should know about? Well I think first of all I, just wanted to make find may one minor clarification on something that you said okay which was that he really hated women. In that is true. He hated women but I WANNA clarify it wasn't just women in hated he hated many to. Sh-. This whole goal in was to destroy. Keep vote and he acknowledged that his happiness came. Some destruction of other people. Awful. Well, he's been destroyed right now in a prison and we can rest on that, which is good that justice was served, and especially for the the group of high level Executives I'm hoping that they all have their moment of. Clarity that they realize the people that they have. Wrong. So you're right he did he wanted to destroy everybody but fortunately, there are people that have left and they can claim their lives back in some way. I can imagine your email must be filled every day with people that are contacting you because they know somebody that's been in this group or they were in this group. What is the overarching? Message that they send to you. Well you know I think. I. Think There's a lot of jar dropping as a lot of people who were friends with or relatives. You know for years I've had contact with relatives of people who were in there asking for help to. Get. Their child or sibling out. So I think what the vows has done is. Shown to the. Audience especially the audience people that know some of the Nexen. It it really was a confirmation of the worst suspicions and and maybe it was even worse than they thought it was and how is India Oxen Burke doing she? Okay. She must be doing pretty well, she's making documentary. Oh good. Okay. which Being produced for stars. And are directed or produced by the daughter of Gregory Peck actor okay. She must be feeling pretty good blasted Vinci's writing the book. So she's kind of trying to spin this. In a negative into positive, absolutely A. Good. Okay. So if the people want to learn more about you can go to frank report is there anything else that you'd like for them to know? I think if you're interested in the topic Frank Report Dot Com is the place to Kinda weed around route allow for more information. And I expect there'll be some additional documentaries including couples that I'll be involved in Oakland. Expect, probably some additional books on on subjects the end key. Good. Will be according to Keith Rainier he will not have lived and died in vain if she famous 'cause go I think he will ultimately be remembered in the future. As a criminal who rank right up there with such as such as Manson. Blooberg. Revered rather and maybe Jack The ripper. He will be famous well, remembered criminalist time goes on. And do you think that there will be Some of these deaths that have occurred under his watch, we will finally get some answers for. That's. What I'm working on right now in a Jimmy close, I just found out about another death. And In every one of those deaths. King Benefiting Body. you know he had a motive. She. Sees dead. And He had opportunity. Just have cool on give now us. Well I can't think enough for all the work that you do and I will be going to frank report today to. Just catch up with everything in the last week. I, read it every week. So I recommend everybody else to do the same. Thank you again frank. Pleasure. Thanks for have neon. I want to thank frank and I want to remind you guys to go to I tunes and subscribe to the show. A five star review, which is so important. So helpful you can find me on twitter at Casey, might instagram at Casey. C.. A.. I will be posting on twitter my instagram and in my facebook group reality. Life with. A list of shows that you must watch this week. I know you guys you're like Oh crap. 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Zealot 27: NXIVM with Brock Wilbur

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Zealot 27: NXIVM with Brock Wilbur

"With such professionals. It's Brocail ball. Hello. Thank you for having me on this show. You look is it spooky that I'm in the few job. It's still Saturday night. Where Brock is in the US, and it's lunchtime. Where I am which is the most boring thing that I'm going to say for the next hour. I think we should stop by saying that the group were about to talk about ease into cult here. Let's let's say that. And you can you hear audio media because that's what we're doing right now day themselves say that they're a multi level marketing organization, which is like Charles Manson saying I'm not a murderer. I'm just a Boston. I think it's like him saying that he does like home delivery is like one of those apps like grub hub or something. Like, it's not Uber eights Yuba Moody's. This group. They're a multi level marketing organization that just happened to also have a charismatic leader dia consequences when in if you leave a complete lack of autonomy for its members, and sacrificing almost all of your money, but not occult absolutely not. Let's let's specify again for legal. Because this is one of the things that like I do love the show, and I love your book, and the book does specify the opening chapter like what you consider to be and what professionals considered a colts? And let's also that the group that we're talking about today checks all those boxes, but also we are in the predicament that this group is still functional and has a lot of money. It's not a cult. That bennett. Coincidentally has almost all of the accepted characteristics of one. Okay. What are they called? They are called Nexium. Has it spelt? It is spelled an ex IBM on those are all capital letters. So you know, exactly like it doesn't sound. I feel like that's because the Lleida. He's a twist just isn't good at writing curves. I wanna come these into a desk one day. So I'm just gonna make them all straight lines. It should end with like the skater ash that I grew up carving into. Didn't see special Brooke that everyone grew. In fact, you've written article about the and put a link to that on the Facebook pay on the zealot Facebook page, it you had a close brush with Nexium didn't use can you tell us about that? So what happened was into twenty sixteen downsized out of journalism job, and my wife aound listing for something. And it seemed a little autumn service. It was a new media company and their job was to stamp out fake news. They were journalistic group destroying fake news. This was right. Exactly. Here's right after the twenty sixteen election, and I didn't care that much for entertainment journalism anymore. And it was like it's time to do something that matters somewhere else. And saw that sounds like oh that matters. Because like, you know, my my mom's still likes these things on Facebook. That are very clearly unreal about how Donald Trump is like destroyed ice. His first day in office. And I'm like, well does that website into dot com? And she's like, no, it ends in dot and z dot de que like, well, let's start there that that's not real. So there is a real issue. I in the country deal with that. This is an interesting calling start up. What could go wrong? So I applied and the more that we looked into this ethin- that was called the knife of Aristotle which that was the starting point was like the name is terrible. It sounds like something that like a freshman year philosophy major that's gone to like one class like he wrote that in general, it feels deep. That's he's at he's banned. Oh, absolutely. Oh, have you come out to hear knife, embarrass Donald fracking sleigh? So no, I'm here to see the spoon of Democles. God the spoon of damage. God damnit this terrible name, and I found out later the people that all through further in the interview process actually did ask them like so what is the name main and they'd get like a ten minute answer that never really went anywhere hands. Like, okay. Well, that's kinda telling but no one seems to know either. And on our website, they listed that they had a patented process for stamping out fake news. But they they wouldn't show it to you. It's hidden behind a paywall, you'll never see the process, but also people come to take a class with them that they pay for to learn this process. They're very proud of the process. And also there was a page that had bios for all the people that work there as about forty people, and they all seem to have like really good interesting backgrounds, and I was like, okay that checks out. But the love that in your article win you giving samples who've they descriptions and you make the point. Bitch. They don't say anywhere. They've worked. It's just countries. I wrote some woods down in Mexico. No one had anything that like was demonstrably trackable like it was like, oh they studied in at Mexico university. Like, oh, thank there's there's is there. And then the other thing that they all seem to have was that they all seem to include something in the bio about how like the person grew up in money. And you know, how when you're describing yourself to people if you've come from money, you're always bragging about how you grew up with money. But now pursuant thanks late. Yeah. My business card is fifty night. People will remember you you write your name on that? That's that's gonna pull that off. I kept applying here and we're talking to them and they offered me a job. And I was like, oh, cool. Let's let's finally figure out what this all is. And they like quick saying before you can start the job. You just have to pay your own way. To fly out to the woods outside of Albany, New York for a five week, training course that you will not be paid for. And then at the end of that you have your job at I was like, so what's in the woods? And they were like why do you keep asking so many questions just come to? One time. And that's where my wife, and I start really getting into wouldn't it be funny? If this was a cult because I feel like when you apply for a job this three big, Chris. What is the jarred? What are you paying me? And when can I stop? Sometimes there's a fourth question of what's in the woods. And you don't always get what's in the woods. That's my first question. I just always assumed as Bache shitting, and you didn't get those questions Ansett. Now, not particularly I can it doesn't take five weeks. If you've got to pay to a Peyton to admit of picking what's fake news? How sheet is it? It takes five weeks to train someone to use it. But that's also a reflection on me where I was like I have a bona feed as. In the in the background of journalism like a decade of it. Like, what is there about the ethics of journalism that I don't already know that I need to know. And they're like, oh, it's it's like this whole thing that's very important and people they give scholarships to people around the country to come to this. But they also do charge rich people a lot of money to come to this of their own volition. So every level about is already in Saint. Did you end up going? I did not because the training was supposed to be like a week after my wedding. And I was sitting there with my wife, selfish, bossed xactly. I was like would it be possible for me to do? She's like if you're going to do that. And obviously get killed in the woods right after our wedding. I need to at least like in a hotel nearby as that like you can stay with me, and we can check in. And I was like I don't think anyone in the world has enough money for five weeks at a hotel in the woods outside Albany. You went to enough to get a job. Him brooke? How dare you write kind? So not Stuttle is just one of the names of the organizations that sort of under the general Nexium on drill. Right. I think I've got Stoker syndrome because I've been reading these company names for that long ENISA awful that I loved I loved it around the time that we all that me, and my wife, and some friends sort of sussed out business, absolutely ical. That's when a couple of journalism friends of mine, including friend named Harley who was writing at a place called the rap at the time. Just started thinking some extra time end to be like, hey, I know like freedom of information act request or I know how to like search state of base. And that's when we followed like website registrations and certain money and stuff from the knife of startled back to Nexium. And it was like, okay. So let's Nexium at once gluco bat that opens up the field because you can pretty quickly. Tell from the same information we were looking at they had all these other fronts and their fronts included things it instead of so instead of recruiting journalists to come to the woods. There was stuff like for actors out of various cities across North America. And there was stuff for people that were into yoga in Los Angeles. So, yeah, there's all these different weirdo companies were all of them were probably offering jobs to people end end training students in the in the acting side of things with a lot of money coming in. And then at some point it's like, well, it's time for you to go to the woods. And I like that they use yoga because it gives me a chance to win of my favorite jingles. Yes. Some of the names for things. I mean, the big bad one that will talk about light is dos and dust stands for dominance, obsequious Ceron. We're back to that freshman year college guy that just like taking like a semester Latin. He's like, Aw, this is gonna get me laid. And indeed that was the plan these raids like battle of the bands, that's dominance. Obsequious sorority is broken lenton fit Lord over the 'obedient famous companions, which gives us a hint this ESP, which is executive success programs. This one I love this. I just wrote down every organization I came across in research. So some of them have bigger more established than others the world ethical foundations consortium. That's a twelve year old pretending they're charity and making up a name. This this source, which I think is the one that lose actors to the woods this the ethical humanitarian foundation. And I like this is spelled J N A double s it's genus which is women, and this is diety of protective, which is for men and the two Lor goes genetics the logo looks like an ad for tampon at society of protectors. Looks like an expensive college fraternity shield one of my favorite are is this from Nick Ziems website. It's it they say it's a new type of school to teach children as many as eight languages at a time. And it's cold the rainbow cultural garden. 'cause they have a significant presence in Mexico and the the leader Keith run Yary. I've wanted Meese pounds to pronounce his name on purpose because. But Katryn airing reckons that he's helping solve violence in Mexico. Good on you might what is site. He really is. You know, he'll he'll the I he's just a really good guy. We should go through the main people just so people know who we're talking about. So there's kief. Yes. I remix exactly like what he is. And I was always messaging you earlier about how I love that point in research where you keep rating rating rating about later the group, and he changes in my head and usually Haysom pumps shea changes in my head from these nefarious span. Golly to a Pacific nerd and with the longish hair. And the, you know, relax closed that he doesn't know how he gets closed. They just turn up and the soft voice and the earnest look and the five o'clock shadow. He looks. Exactly like a new two had no friends that is figured out a way to get people to like him, absolutely. And that is that is of you had the same reaction that I did when this first came up, which is like when you find out somebody leads a sex cult. I think the natural reaction is to be like that person is probably attractive enough to seduce somebody into a sex cult. And that is not the case here. He looks like if Bill Gates didn't care about himself where we're allowed to where allowed to insult one. Yeah. Rison here. It's gonna be him. Oh, so you as so who else is land the play here. So Keith as a bit of background, and we watched right before it started. We watch the video of his very first venture which was like a call in center, and they hired were the actors from green acres to introduce him. And it's just so God damn bizarre. He probably asked lots and lots of other celebrities to endorse consumers by line the name of his company, but they probably all say, I wanna know how many people said no before the old guy from gray Nike's said. Yes, a Kate winning to call him, Casey. 'cause I, you know, the aforementioned we get to ridicule him. I like that nickname. That's listening thing. He technically went to Amway university. He was completely sold on the Amway marketing model and that became he's livestream. Despite the fact that he apparently has an I q of two forty so he's gonna save. The world via the m y model. I've never heard it put like that. In our joy. I'm sorry. I was doing last podcast on the left. And they're like, oh, hey, we heard that. He can't drive, and I was like why can't he drive and they're like, oh, he told his followers that his IQ is so high, but if he's driving a car he'll get over because his brain will set off the speed detectors in cop cars, and I was like that reads entirely true to me, you you can't even make comedy about Nexium and Keith because there's no possible heightening. You can do it is some of the mythology. It was just. Yeah. Generated by him himself. He records he was speaking in full sentences, but the age of one like want examples, though sentences I think one might have been Katie go putty at it slacks full sentences, I need to find but he calls himself. He runs Nexium waves. Nancy, souls -ment and Kaethe wants to be cold van God and Nancy salesman is cold prefect. Keeps us a hint. Of a beat further down the track. When we go to talk about the genders, according to kinky. But this also let's mentioned some of the other people is Ellison Mack. Who was in jail. And Shays kind of the two is say the head recruiter. Right. That's that's a really good version of that yet. Nancy salesman's daughter Lauren is also quite high up 'cause this the same distinction or getting other multilevel marketing schemes like Scientology with the higher up. You get the mole coincidental characteristics shares with a cult, but this lots and lots of lower people that just vegetate their income. They just paying to be educated and not necessarily members raise the two main darns Clint and Sara Bronfman most of the headlines containing them, the is to the leaguer billions to main whistle blow is one who was in the coat and let and one daughter was in the coast dynasties owing, Catherine, oxen, Berg and her daughter. India was in Nexium for awhile, and Sarah Edmonson who broke. The story about dos and the awful things that go on the, and we shoot probably mentioned these point as well. I got. A lot of my information from New York Times Forbes and the Sebei say podcast uncover escaping Nexium. But this much information in the news. And most of yours from everything that's ever been written all said about the loss. Two years. This is a this is the thing that I think that I've wanted to talk to you about since we first became friends is that I I don't write about colts. This one invaded my life, and you have created this really cool show. And you do this thing now at which I do not think is necessarily tethered to the life that you have lived beforehand. But there is something as soon as that becomes part of your brand that every time there is any news for me about them at Nexium or for you about any coal. I imagined that you're you're mentions are just lead with people being like have you seen this my two best examples of that don't count related one is that my sister? And I started a thing called the say in Bain should eve which is the Kalkin bowls initiative, which is anytime you're on a flight you draw a little culpable somewhere in the inflight magazine v someone else. Oh my God. And just betting what a wonderful gift yet. And you take a photo of it and new you posted on Instagram with the hashtag say in bay initiative, the other is that one of my I think in the first week maybe month that I was on Twitter. I just tweeted how come you don't say, what don't pay any more close, which I don't know if this is the same in the states, but in a strategy we used to say white dog poop all over the place. Don't f it was out a long enough. So that it bleached or if it had a high calcium content, but you don't say it anymore. So now, of course, on the extremely rare occasions when anyone does see some what dog do they send me a picture of it? Great. Good good good tweet, maybe ten years ago. And now, I get pages of dog, shady my inbox aura. So don't Pooh side. Suitcase born in nineteen this is just a quick run through his time on he's born in nineteen seeks he gets netted with the M Y modal he stunts consume as byline in nineteen ninety. Look, I read somewhere that there were two hundred and fifty thousand customers that brought in more than thirty three million in a year for that. He got a lot of attention. And he was asked by the authorities to please stop doing that. Hey, and so a nutty salesman. Started Nexium in nineteen ninety eight but the kind of clever thing what I'm not gonna say genius. But these was clever cave doesn't own Nexium. He doesn't on paper. He is. He claims he's renunciation it, and he has no income and no car his clothes just turn up at his house. They donations. His name is on any of the official documentation attached to Nexium. So he was kind of clever partly because he'd already after the consumers byline busted, he told the authorities yet I'm not allowed to do that anymore. I warned so officially he's kind of notch. Right. I think he feels quite confident about his upcoming coat case, although he can't go to jail for running a cult. And I think he's kind of his probably more laws by claiming that Nexium is a company then he would if he claimed it was a religion. So when Nick Ziam Stotts, his attracting a lot of people and a an a shitload of women in particular because he say women don't are how to improve their lives by themselves as next gets bigger. And as the Bronfman heiresses, join more and more articles are being written about them. And there's a couple in enfolds that stir up a little bit of attention. But still even after that Allison Mack joins the deli. They convinced the Dell I love to come in speak that through may abate. But I think he's doing the deli Llamas publicity schedule, but guy's gonna go wherever somebody's claiming to try to like raise the level of humanity and do something good. And if somebody here is like, I'm both trying to improve people's lives. But also, I feel persecuted I feel like that was probably a call like, you know, what I would like to come and we can talk for a bit about ideas around positively. And then my name will never be a touch to this again. And if it goes, well, it goes fine. And if it goes poorly most people will forget, I feel like if the deli Lom is going to endorse Nexium, he might as well also endorsed Zimba way whiz. The he's the discernment come on. Well, and here's what you've gotten into here in this part of the story is that there were a couple of articles here sort of about who Keith is. And that he's ashamed, but he was also being put on the cover of Forbes and at the same time like Nexium was kicking up and big business people. Big names were like, yeah. I went to their conference and at like taught me to do better business. And so like he was getting quotes from people in the big business world, and like it it kept legitimising. But whenever there was one of these pieces, basically, they're like three or four years apart each time that somebody's like he's second Aligarh. And also like he's tricked these two like teenage girls that are Orissa's each each each one of these three or four year pieces comes out, they take a play book page out of Scientology. And it's just this immediate fuck you to death lawsuit. But like the journalists behind this. Can never get out of like one of the journalists from a piece for twenty thirteen is still in court. I think out even after all this time, and like no journalist has the money to keep fighting that the fly TDL the fuck you to death lawsuit. Very good at that. But he's. I mean, I'm not saying that I can think of any Kotido or sorry marketing executive who eats completely original. But these straight up. Just the Scientology modal. In fact, they used as part of their defense statements in recent legal troubles that look if wear a coat, then Scientology's occult on paraphrasing it, I think I texted you the night that this happened because I was like here's the hail Mary that they've thrown in court they've been arrested, but they're saying if we're Coltman Scientology is a Colt, which means they've made an enemy of Scientology, which means that now on the off chance that like this argument works, it means that the US government has to go after Scientology. But that also means that Scientology must be pumping so much God damn money into this case to oppose them. Wouldn't it be so amazing? If to maybe colts just kept suing each other so hard did they both just cease to exist? That's so delicious is it is the best possible. Of this is that they each other into oblivion, and then all of us are just like, wow. Actually, no one had to do anything. Wade several years of his life. And like it turns out that the hero in all of this was Scientology Scientology. It's very upsetting. There's no good ins to the story from wait. This is the good end and also possibly these episodes fictional tation here. It comes ready. He says how we sold this. David Miscavige JR. Kate Regnier cage. But. You welcome. Oh my God. Yeah. 'cause I don't care if they both die. Okay. Moving on. We've got this toll g modal, which is the Amway moral pretty much ease. Right. You cape. You trade say that's a really good point. Sorry. Yeah. The the model would just elevator Scientology like yes there. A few words change in your your there. The basically Scientology Nexium operate similarly in some aspects in that you pay for knowledge, and you pay for these incredible groundbreaking revolutionary scientific knowledge, but you not allowed to talk about it. You have to Cape these secrets, otherwise they will go you legally. So you can't even tell your family and friends about it and less you convince them to sign up and pay money. So I mean, you know, if you're a cold, then your families the enemy unless they have money and a pen to sign on the dotted line in return. They promise you unbelievable success, and you have to pay more and more to rise up the levels until your incredibly successful. But. People they joined because they want to be successful in the outside life, but they don't have time this so busy taking more courses in recruiting more people that they become big successes in near the top of the pyramid in Nexium. But then not becoming successful in everyday lives. Anyone can promise you success? If what they mean is we will make us successful in our company. I can teach someone to be Primo Abella Raina prima ballerina each someone w Olympic gymnast. Provided. I that I get to define what Olympic gymnast Maine's. So you work at the Olympics company. Yeah. And it's like, congratulations. Here's your gold medal. So it's mainly. It's not actual success people feel like this. But it's not actual success. I will speak to this in something that fills out the the story that we left behind 'em. So I didn't go, but I wrote this piece for pace magazine about the colts. And it was a big scary thing. Because at that time, it has been sort of that three year gap between somebody writing a piece, and I knew that the last person to do so was sued into oblivion. I pays magazine I write about video games and interviewing comedians. So like I had to be like excuse me, gentlemen. I think I have stumbled into something up some journalistic import, but your lawyers are going to need us and some time with it. So they spent about a month like reviewing everything and they're like, yeah. We'll we'll stand behind you. If they come after you, and I was like, oh Jesus Christ. Okay. So published and from what I've been told from other sources in the next couple of weeks, a couple of hundred people, maybe at least a hundred from one person, they all left the call like they were all sort of people were here, and something's off either facts, and we're gonna go I maybe did one good thing with my life. I think I've been a piece of shit in different ways, and like always definitely an idiot. But at least like I did this once at lately did one yet. I started a coke and bulls initiative. I have nothing. You got people to leave him, maybe coked. That's incredible. I love the we're still doing the maybe case and next general is the both good at maintaining the illusion of success, and it's partly because a whole lot of the ship. Vase sounds like it means something, but doesn't have to. So a lot of their beliefs. They say this is on the website for the executive success programs and executive success burgers. That's what you would have undertaken one. If you'd go to the woods that would have been you five week course. And they say that the mission of ESP is to develop an integrated ethical framework of human experience to stop the destruction of value in the world and move humanity forward to remove fee-based activities from the world. It doesn't mean anything. Does. Oh my God. Does maybe two or three basic principles to the next him relates or you know? Manifest are one. Is that you take responsibility for everything which is actually quite lawful. Because it turns out you don't one is that you have to reprogram the things you learned as a kit and replace them with new values and beliefs and the other is that people choose to be victims recross, the count expert guy did a big Russ report on on Nexium and got sued because he quoted from their trade secret material, the Roth report, it speaks about that the thing where we choose to be victims and says, okay does that count four for example, a rape victim? And I just choosing to be victim. Look it's troubling from the Roth report they also say that according to Reynier, a do I say that a different way retired? I don't kit echo. Adding to KP human beings of Paris cheek. So we're born as parasites. Hey, any babies, brisk fading Kaethe hates you. Okay. Apparently human beings have borne parasitic unable to take care of themselves and many of examples of parasol behavior presented such as complaining about pain. And suffering such is saying, I'm hungry, and such as saying, I know I promised, but I had no idea how hard painful these was going to be and I reckon it's fairly smut for an organization that pretty much survives by making people do things. They don't want to do that are uncomfortable. Right is to make it a kind of law that people who complain a bad people who haven't who need to grow as people. I love the thrust of it is that if you complain about. The existence of pain, you're wrong and child. Yes. And you need to pay for more causes to get over that. So it's called the rational inquiry, and it's it's a croc croc. Of course. That's in hindsight. It's nothing that coat off as he's ever obvious at the beginning. And and this is so from the people that I know that showed up and I've been reviewed, but the training in the woods this ties into something. You said earlier where you're like, you know, they're barring pages on play bucks. One of them on their train ride outs to Albany had been listening to a podcast about colts. I don't know if it's yours or not I will check in. But they were talking about how like one of their first moves is to make everyone go vegetarian or vegan. Because all of a sudden, you don't have the nutrients you need in your brain turns in jello. And of course, that's very first thing that happened when everyone got out to the woods like, by the way, you can't have meat for these next five weeks. And so by like Wednesday, people were just like making. Promises. They don't remember. But and they skilled at making eight sound believable. It's like the deli Lama thing, and it's like lots of fancy company logos thing, it looks real. So it feels real be spy week courses. There'd be a bunch of people in a room and everyone breakdown in groups like five for most of the exercises and several people. I've talked to were like, so here's the thing in my group of five the other four people there for the whole five weeks were already members of the calls. I was the only one that wasn't. So when we were when we were in the little breakout groups ad be like, hey does. This feel weird. Everyone around me would be like, no, man. Why asked him everything seems fighting rate here, and I trusted implicitly. Let's all might you know, trustee each other and share our deepest darkest secret ever ever ever. So let's explore why that was your fault because if you can convince. Somebody that everything they've ever done wrong is their fault. You can convince them to think anything, and that's pretty hard to come back from the threat. And is I am fairly experienced at recognizing. What is a fun time? And that he's notifying time. The things you taught within the group Maine's that anytime you question any of it, you'll regressing, and your that's one of your flaws that you need to work on you shouldn't question it, and also it's all very very clever that pot of the mesh of this is that this is revolutionary thinking and people are going to be frightened of these people going to reject it like any other revolutionary incredible new thinking, so the media will say bad things about us. Right. Families will say bad things about us. The authorities will make things up to. Accuse us of which means that when that does happen, and it's inevitable going to the full is gore. KP said they would say these he's a genius. So instead of being someone that people are saying bad things about he's a genius because he predicted they would an and that is why they need their own fake news agency to say like that stuff's the fake stuff. What else internally can believe that? Sure. Why not? So I also wanna get the beliefs. I wanna get into the bit that I find the most troublesome. And it's how Tim says. They will say that the fact that a lot of headlines they cold a six slave Colt. I think six is this group's almost laced interesting characteristic. It is it's absolutely true. The number of interviews dowers like talk about the weird sex stuff. And I'm like. It is it is there, and there was no need to downplay it, but like they've done so many crimes of so many types. There is no reason that they need and this is a big big deal. An ex nerd who used to have very very bad close wants to have sex with people that follow him. That's really pretty boring, but one of the things that is vaguely six related. What members of Nexium, and what Casey's attitude is towards the genders some of the beliefs of that what shall rate a beat from the New York Times on this. And it says Rene told full is that they must accept that women and men are wired differently men repressed and do not enjoy the same rich experience instances women. I'm so sorry broke. Just let me know throughout these. If you feel repressed, and we'll sort it out, but men have an understanding of righted wrong. Women can be disloyal have tantrums and get away with whatever they prefer. Or is Nancy Saltzman puts puts it the crazier. I get the more. I get dri. Surgery. Whenever you fucking. Okay. I'm so sorry. Oh, so sorry. I've never heard before. I'm having a very visceral reaction to Nancy. Yeah. Know what I'm gonna I'm gonna meet myself and you finish the quote. This is Casey, I'm paraphrasing K fee. Also introduced a theory about ancient men that he called the primitive hypothesis emphasizing that men are naturally promiscuous and women unnaturally monogamous while I agree that that's a primitive hypothesis. I did the maths, and I don't think it chicks out if this roughly equal number of men and women promiscuous men Nayed women to bay promiscuous if they're going to have lots of partners, then they're gonna run out of women. If the women are expected to be monogamous eek doesn't check out. I'm very disappointed that a college graduate and a person with an I q of two forty has used seventy perhaps so many designed to have multiple partners and women and not and complaining is a famous trait and women should be a baby int-, and they not women don't wanna have sex, but men made to spread this. Sade so women need to stop writing. And being so indulgent and irrational and just lie down. It's not my favorite part of this group. It's not my fav-. How do you even favorite when there's so many just complaining since complaining comes naturally to me? And this is the broad stuff at I think you learn these stuff at the beginning. But it's also similar to Scientology in that the more. You learn the crazier it gets and some people report. That he also said that we will reincarnated, and you have to repay things in this life that you didn't pass lives, and he said that some people were Nazis in their poss lives. And that Nancy Saltzman was hit LA, it's cute. He's in it. Hit LA it's given these Vigny of sounds reasonable. But there are some where just goes to the age of reasonable and from Casey's personal website because he's talking about the tools that he's developed that he says mice recently as tools, a helping individuals different Niro, biological disorders, specifically severe cases of to rent syndrome and osage day. I don't think that's true. Maybe people would sure it's a just constantly feeling like victims. They should get to that. And then we would. Goes from here about the documentary. I saw that there was one. But I was maxed out. I'd watch the trailer for Mexican documentary about how he's saving Mexico, and I'd set through a bunch of the video is he has whereas to Allison Mack cold Katryn eerie conversations. And I were maxed out when I throw. There was a documentary. I couldn't do it. Tell me about it. So it's it's actually one of the things that could Christ. So there's a guy in the program named Mark Elliott, and he. Supposedly has Terrell and supposedly next cured him or as helped him progress with his threats, and he's a he's a touring motive that could make the papers re weird. So he has this nugget enery that's playing in the festival circuit called, my Terrell at is about him and his stuff, and then it sort of slowly over the course documentaries to explain like, you know, you should all be Nexium with me because that's what it should be. And like people weren't asking questions about this my to it instantly makes me think of my Sharona. Absolutely. It's a wonderful on. Now. Let's go into how they do stuff. If they want to do one of Nick Ziems courses how much money, and I'm not about to be employed as a knife Aristotle journalists defined paying market price. Right. I want to do. One of the three five or sixteen day courses. What what sort of coin my full? I believe I was told that I was getting an education where something like fifteen grand. This is why you had to pay your way there and pay for your own lodging for the five weeks was that like look they've already cancelled out right that fifteen thousand dollar commitment. And then what happened it this is another trap that they laid was that if you couldn't afford it, which no one can they would find somebody for you to stay with in Half Moon bay outside of Albany, which is a town that is owned by the Colt, and everyone that lives there who is not like they're not like practicing members of the cult that. They are all members of the coke. And no one tells you that so people would wind like they're like, oh, we found a place for you say it's in this person's like guest room, and they'd be like cool. That's when we would realize like, oh, God, the whole town is this, and that's why let's listen a classic compound in more of a an almost. Stepford wives suburb going to the course, I get a sash and these session the Senate design is painted, which is just you get a different color, depending on how enlightened you are. And how many courses you've got the different numbers stripes. So you kind of Assad in excessively army, and they do there's a little secret handshake with someone who's higher up. The new has they hand on talk you bowing and thanking peaches of K fee and your clapping as you enter the classroom. It's. It's a pain. And as everybody noise if you do questions the best time to to ask Casey questions is during the volleyball games. Regularly games that he hangs out. And then you've got about a couple of minutes in between sets to ask him some questions and get Casey's e they evening volleyball games that I could get behind. This is such a nightmare thing. And this is sort of what makes it work. So like, everyone tells you from the moment that you interact on any level with any of the organizations like by the way, he is the smartest man in the world ever such a danger to the government, but he's gonna save the world volleyball volleyball. There's so many layers of of the call that you have to work up. And it isn't until you're near that's hop. That though even let you be in a room with him. And even then like, it is these volleyball like sort of pauses were he'll do a little walk with you. He doesn't say anything. He just listens. And then you leave thinking he's always it's the same way that people Jarad Kushner was smart for so long as like you just never willing. Wow. He must be a brilliant mind. Like, no, you just never talked. He never talks, and you can keep that going forever. And that's even the Bronfman sisters heiresses. They would throw money at Nexium. And one of two things would happen. They would either be repaid with sessions, right or unlimited talking access. So you buying time. And that's when cave he wasn't losing millions and millions of their money in dodgy commodities. Trading men with the high Q banked terrible at commodities trading. But you can also don't think you get much time we've cave at Vail week. But I do wanna talk about V week 'cause they week is Casey big birthday party. It's just in case. There was any doubt that he might be the mass assist. No H E is a whole week celebrating his birthday. And it seems like it's a summit camp crossed with an open mic night where you just sing songs to him will perform skits or otherwise glorify, Harry man, cave becoming a narcissist. And also his attitude towards women are. To dos. And in a nutshell dos is the women's group that Kate claims with started by Allison. And she claims that she started it. And when you join you don't realize that tape is behind it. You're told that it's secret women's group that would change your life, but he can't be told anymore unless you office, collateral and collateral might be nude photos of yourself, or your deepest darkest secrets times, you broke the law or secrets about your family or husband or whatever. And it's like security or wait. I think it's pronounced that. It's like blackmail. Yes. You join and you become a slave. Your name is slave and the person who got you to join is your master. And it's a mini pyramid scheme because eventually you too can recruit six slaves, and so you'll be someone else's slave. But also the master seeks PayPal. And apparently there were up to one hundred fifty people that joined dos, and then you wait around to be, and you can get branded we've Casey's initials, you don't realize capeeze initials or that he has anything to do with these. But then you find yourself doing pretty, much volunteer. What fuel master being at their Beck and coal not questioning anything. Because that shows you haven't learned anything in your stupid woman, and the least interesting bit. But the the media loves is that it some point you might be asked by your master who you have to obey to seduce Kafe and getting into bed. I missed anything in these horrible horrible description. There's lots of Meccan we have to do tonight. Principle of these is that you have to do something every day that involves denial. So maybe limit calorie intact who incidentally, Kate likes in women of those so dark fuck that as well. So you're expected to to do acts of self denial like code showers or bringing them mousters coffee and obstructing from orgasms and masters are allowed to just text this lives a single question Mark and within twenty minutes slaves have to respond, otherwise they'll be they'll be punishments. It's fucked up. It's fuck up. And there was also I'm not sure if this was just limited to dos members. But. I wanna talk about these experiments cold front studies as well. I think our women with objected to. Yes. Women put on electrodes and watch some from films some from real life sayings of graphic violence, and right and dismantlement, right? They brainwaves midget, and they're not told what is point to the study use that they're about to be traumatized. Some and then off you go home to not talk about anyone is the list funds. I mean, everything else has been such fun up to this point. But this is the list fund side. So be the measurement thing was the source of the first time that anyone left the Colt and went to the authorities, and they're like owning on holy shit. They're doing clockwork orange in this place. She's just random women, and like, it's torture, and you need to go and get them. And the the DA of New York was like, okay. And this is something you've covered on the show before, but it is impossible to prosecute colts. Because you have to show that somebody's there against their will. And he go there and asked like, hey, who's here against their will? Everyone's like love this love being here wanna be here in this weird neurological farm, I can fit it might exa- was terrified that. Will be released. If I didn't give my consent, but I like insent for. And you hit upon we in the process there that like. As I mentioned like the intro process is already giving them blackmail in that Scientology way, this is like eight levels deep in like, give us more blackmails like we have seven layers of blackmail that could destroy your life in your family. But lying also like I need some way news like it's so it's so insane. And so then this hits on what happened which is that there is this internal. Feminist Bama group, which has been described as basically like a sorority where it was like oh getting branded about the gentle general area with Wieder is initials is akin to like we're on spring break and getting a tattoo, and this is every once in a while they do something that is so clever that it makes me recognize how God damn evil. They are for example. They're called Nexium. They're called Nexium because an X be IM is not what you would Google. If you heard the word Nexium, it's just Xining be like you can't do this. And to anyone Google that there was just nothing. So that's why they could work around the world and all these places, you know, there's multiple pieces about them because there's nothing for anyone read in their own language. That says like oh my God. This is a giant. Of assholes people lying there getting branded which they thought was going to be a tattoo didn't realize it was going to be right? Neither Jonah this screaming in pain 'cause it's done. We've Coulter rising pen and burning into their fresh. But I think if I stop these fights, no, I don't want to do this. Then that's a weakness of this. And we have to show this strong. That's the whole reason they joined in the first place, they have no choice and the extension that is this herbal fact, which is that in the Albany region of New York. Had had Nexium tattoo. These women around the the pelvic area with Keats Michels. They would have been in violation law for doing a legal tech two's. And they could've caught raw they could've Keith could have been arrested on that. But instead they spent just enough time to be just enough evil to be like, okay, we won't do that. Instead, we will treat women like Kabyle and brand them with a hut. Khokar to avoid the laws on the books in this county. And like, it is it is that part is that they took the time to be extra evil. This is an awful the only awful silver lining to dos. I don't think that Nixon would have been busted if it wasn't Fidel. Yes. And the brandings. And possibly the sex and. It makes me shudder and gag whenever I mentioned rainier, capeeze lawyer Agnew, follow the pace of sheet. And he said what he's allegedly pace of shit. He says it six to investigate dos 'cause men join secret groups and get tattoos and things all the time. And everyone's finally that I want and hey saying this is this is an actual court from him men. Do these things we call the marines women we call them victims. No, no, no, no, no. I've dick Mark omega. Let them. It's ridiculous defense. This is why I'm quite convinced the katie's going to jail because he's lawyers arguments a. Yeah. People go to wristed some of them biol- and have accepted, please write others like Kafe is going to go at he's not getting bio because he's conceited a messy flight risk so Casey surgery sex trafficking conspiracy to commit fullest labor and now interestingly possession of child pornography because. He likes fifteen year olds right? A allegedly. Allison, Matt is except for the child pornography pretty much accused of the same things clay Brown, and the souls Mun mother and daughter for racketeering conspiracy. And also, I think Cathy, Russell the salesman boot Capers times, she's also recketeering and he has pled guilty. Yes. Yes. Which is fear and think this scheduled the actual court case for April twenty nine. So this unless I'm extremely lazy. Which is. Of course, I am a woman so piece should be out before. Yes, we repaid a lot of claims made by the people, but we can't call them things yet because the quote hasn't right? But I'm so excited. My biggest dream to shame because Brown Clare Bronfman has paid for everybody's lawyers. Right. My biggest Raim is the case to say north fancs. I weren't have a lawyer. I wanna represent myself. I fucking love it. When people do that. I love it. Oh such a nineties thriller move. Absolutely. Let's see that here is the thing. Everyone beneath Keith remarry here is a they absolutely are. And I know that he got someone like a decade ago and like their minds are warped and whether or not making ever come back. It's so weird. If someone his indoctrinated, you makes you do something legal, you still don't something a legal. But I think you'll culpability is lessened. But hey. Should be on. Hospital toilet duty in jail forever. Now. That's I think probably we've just got a few random facts. Of band of some red. That's about colds. Ever. Is there anything cookie? We haven't covered that you want to bring up break Purwoko rooms Frank report, we'd be was hired originally as IT guy and they hired him to be their PR person. When they first got there like two thousand three articles same they were bad. And then he just witnessed infinite real estate crimes and just wrote about all of those publicly. They tried to buy like places in the Hollywood hills. And then try the soup people out of them like insane shit. So they thought they were the big bad wolf. But jets. I'm like league version I've badly. I became fixated on. The bit about Kaethe applying. I think it was nearly a hundred fifty patents because I have a long head of theory about people who apply for lots and lots of patients. They just wanna make them Mark on the world. Kind of a desperate way. And these are some of the things I did a date dive on the bike and here is some of the highlights. So some patients that Kate has applied full one is continuous film and camera. I mean, we already have those methods petitioning space. Okay. Can you know, they might be minor improvements at teleconferencing system. Method for locating a lost or stolen fern again variations on a thing method for constructing custom orthotics a combination wound and injury treatment apparatus, which I think is a kind of sling for broken leg. Assistant recording your musical group. Look, we already have a few those case and defined civic cloning, biological material cake, right? He's kind of stepping on the and time machine. When that you'll familiar with rating a level of journalistic distortion in news media contents that God, how old is it. Yeah. And one this is using vanity phase woods, which I like because they kinda salty. It says one example, the the method Leparoux is for improving performance is apparently a way of increasing performance on a treadmill by increasing spayed overtime land. My word she's approach as exercise and the examiner in that case rejected it six times and the last one which is about he's fright study. Because KP Coles people who he considered sociopaths so women to be Luciferians and one thing he invented an applied patent for was determination of whether a Loucif area and can be rehabilitated. Oh, my nuts related to those fright studies where he showed terrible terrible mood. Eclipse mo. Oh, what an off whole. Yes. And speaking of people that are not assholes at all. Thank you very much for talking about good outgrow. Right. Seamless seamless. I know how involved if Bain and that some of your writing help some of the people get out. So I mean annoy, this is ironic considering I talk about a lot about how bullshit religions, but God bless you. Brooke our will it will take that? That's so nice. Thank you. And also plays cake pudding peaches via wonderful kitty cats up on face because I'm not. So happy like can I be on T? Joe? Can you call them when you talk about me, which is he me do all the time. Can you say anti Joses? Hello. Oh, I'm very sad journalist, you know, I talked to my. All right. Well, I think this. There's nothing left to say look up in this dry. It's a bird. It's a plane. Join a cult don't join a cult my God. Thank you. Why? Joe's book. Thank you. You've been listening to zilla it produced by me, joy, only a person who has never seen smallville or the lion. King. My co-host for these episode was brought Wilbur and extremely excellent human who is toll is to moderately good humans further rating and vaguely recognisable initials can be found on the Zil at Facebook page and music is by the Everglades who has really nice Manet's. Colts.

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