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610 Air Cargo

Airplane Geeks Podcast

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610 Air Cargo

"This is the airplane Geeks podcast. Our aim is to educate and inform you explore and expand your passion for Aviation and entertain you a little along the way. This episode we talk with an air cargo. Who has flown the triple seven freighter, the seven, six, seven, seven, five, seven, the seven, four seven Dash, eight in dream lifter, and now he's hauling cargo in the seven six seven. It the news, the American Airlines Recovery Plan that includes more growth than that of other mainline carriers and Allied Pilots Association proposal where the government would buy seats to facilitate social distancing in flight. Lifthansa bailout by the German government in Italian ban on. Luggage in overhead bin. Changing airline contracts of carriage in the United States Air Force Plan for some F twenty two raptors, all that and more coming up right now. Welcome to the airplane Geeks podcast. This is episode six hundred ten of the show where we talk aviation. I'm Max flight, and you can call me maxine East because that's where I live who he also have with us. Max trescott lives in the West. He's toast of aviation newstalk. podcast the National CF, five, the year and expert in learning to fly or purchase the CIRRUS aircraft. Max West. How are you? Hey I'm awesome. Feeling a little bit less of an experts been a while since I've been in the airplane. I've got to leave the house and go see what an airplane looks like soon, but covid cases are really spiking around here so when that's going to be goodness well. David. is also with us. He's our aviation historian and. Aviation expert. We only have one David so. You can call him. David. Yeah, WE'VE ALL WE'VE had a couple of David. David Max shows this year. Ironically every I'm doing well. I'm looking forward to our guest. WHO's a friend of the show and I also WANNA give a shout out to everyone who showed up to our Friday night. Chat in honor of our Red Robin Dinner. Category Time Clad. Everybody could show up and we plan to do it again, so keep your eyes and ears open for that. Right, yeah, we had zoom meet up or maybe a meet up on zoom is better way to say it. which was a lot of funded always is. Well our guest. This episode is Miami Rick. Rick flew the triple seven freighter with land, and also a few passengers I guess, the seven six seven, seven five seven several years ago, he moved on to fly seven four seven cargo. He's flown the seven four seven Dash, eight and the dream lifter. Rick recently. From the right seat of the seven four seven to the left seat of a seven six seven freighter. Recall also regular host on the airline pilot Guy Podcast, and usually refers his current airline as acme giant, so we'll do the same here. Rick Welcome to the airplane Geeks podcast. Hey, guys, it's a pleasure. Thank you very much I'm happy to be here and I believe this is my second appearance. I think it is I I. I didn't go back and look at the at the records, but I'm pretty sure that you've been on once before. Anyway, so it's it's it's great to have you back. Have you been doing lots of flying these days? Are You keeping pretty active? Yes, yes, why didn't do quite a lot of flying lately? you know through this whole Kovic pandemic really A freight pilots have been kept busy. Keeping the the supply chain humming along, so it's been a busy couple of months. For us, freighter pilots keeping busy thing, yeah, great. Yeah, yeah, you guys and and others in the transportation business have been of keeping things. Running to a large extent, which is. Which is great I'm going to say I've been waiting for package so after the show Rick. The it is. You. Got It l. a. Yeah, I'll I'll I'll on downstairs desire. I brought one of the these over with me. Be Down there somewhere, so thanks a lot I'll check it out the desk all right. Why don't we get started with some of the aviation news from the past week? Is everyone ready ready from the West ready from the East? First item comes from Forbes why American Airlines is growing twice as fast as Delta and united. interesting. Max West. What are we seeing here with American Airlines well. I'm not sure. I agree with the title. But really really done. It looks like is put in twice as much capacity starting in July which certainly them. The opportunity to potentially take more market share which I think is a rather clever strategy, and if you think about when things are normal times, it's quite a battle for lines to get an advantage over each other. You know they're all. They can make tiny tiny moves and growth, but this is really an interesting move that could position them for you know taking a huge chunk of the market share at least in the short term, so it's rather bold move. Yeah, there's some interesting statistics here the author says that when you adjust for blocked middle seats that in July American Airlines is restoring fifty five percent of its domestic seat capacity, while united is restoring thirty percent in Delta, twenty one percent, but American CEO Doug Parker had some thoughts on this. He said the big Hubs Win. He says we are absolutely benefited by the fact that two of the three biggest hubs on earth are hours, which are Dallas Fort Worth and Charlotte. But Henry Heartfelt of been on the show many many times before now from atmosphere, research group. Is commented. It's a vacuum cleaner strategy. They, just want to suck up. Whatever traffic is out there? It's very risky, but there is a reward. So I mean. It's nice to see that. Apparently hopefully the the direction has turned the little bit or is starting to turn into the airlines or at least figuring that. We'll see some increasing traffic, and so they're trying to manage their capacity. To to meet that. I can tell you Max from the from the last couple. Last couple of flights have taken because obviously I don't live on base I live out in the. In the Phoenix area in a May Status Cincinnati. You can really feel the the effect of this whole situation in that A, lot of the point to point direct flights are gone, so airlines are kind of going back to that old. fashioned. Concept of yesteryear, the old hub and spoke. And so that's kind of what I'm seeing. Obviously, YOU'RE GONNA. See a congregation or or concentration passengers that the airlines you know main main hut, which is what we're seeing here, but it's not until we see the up all point to point gonNA. Come back. That things are going to be back to anywhere near normal I. Think Might Observation Yeah. I I think that's I think that sound and. They're the cash burn is just enormous for the airlines now and that that's really what they're trying to do I think is Manage their their cash. We have an estimate that came out from J. P. Morgan they. Their estimate is that American Airlines has daily cash burnt daily cash burn of seventy million dollars. In the second quarter. Delta's a little bit better if it only fifty million dollars. A day and united is between forty and forty five million dollars. A day. again Henry heartfelt had a comment on that easy, says will it be a profitable strategy asking the question referring to Delta's capacity increases, and he says maybe not necessarily net profitable, but it reduces cash burn. And He says you know this is Something, of course that's. Key to any company you want prophets in you need cash flow The two are not oftentimes directly related at least on a temporary basis so That's what we're seeing here. I, think! but we have kind of a related story American Airlines pilots. Union wants the government to buy middle seats. And this comes from the Allied Pilots Association of the APA. And they're her proposing in a white paper that the government by seats so that no passenger has to sit next to a stranger. Interesting concept, it'll have much in the way of legs, but interesting idea. Yeah. It sounds expensive to me. I'm not sure that the US to go for this but certainly give them Kudos for trying It sounds a little bit like another stimulus package, or you know perhaps a bailout, but you know they're. They're saying that they'd like to see the government by some minimum number of seats at average twenty, nine thousand nine hundred fares well Gosh. That's that's a sweetheart deal. Especially when you figure, fares are probably less than half of what they were last year. I'm guessing. What what what have you seen? Miami Reconfirms Affairs? What I've seen a little bit of everything. Really although it's kind of hard to tell because a lot of times when I have to be position from one side of the country to another the travel department will obviously by this ticket on very short notice, and obviously those takes a bit more expensive so but overall I have seen when I when I book my travel to be at the beginning of my patterns, I have a couple of days to kind of look around. See what works best and overall I have seen a an overall decrease in the prices. Of those of those tickets, but then again. I am no longer able to book anything direct from from Phoenix to Cincinnati. I have to sometimes You know to change planes twice, which is unheard of just a few months ago there? There's still certain certainly tons of will. They used to be certain twin tons of direct flights on South West from Phoenix Cincinnatian an even American Airlines so. But now obviously having a change your airplanes. Once or twice, it's really really a pain, but up to answer. Your question is i. have seen prices go down. If you plan accordingly well there. There's the other solution is just have the airlines take out the middle seats. You'll lose weight. You Save Gas. You know and. Am I wrong I if you're paying somebody. If there were going to do it as current prices. It's probably better that everybody's interest just to take out the middle seats. You know and Just for the weight savings and the efficiency of it than it is to you know, try to have the government. You know. Is How much the middle see how much a middle seat is worth. To every airline, you know, 'cause a middle seat to South West is not the same as middle seat to. American or United? This is fine, but why don't we just? I don't know. We've all wanted. The middle seats eliminated anyway, so let's just eliminate the. Row IF YOU WANNA learn more about the as concept here. They came up with a great acronym. seats as he ats for the so at seats probably came first, and then the IT stands for safe essential air transportation seating and gave them a link to that, and in the show notes, and yeah, it is based on available seat. Miles by airline scaled to available seat miles. ASM's in two thousand nineteen, so they're they. They've come up with a calculation here. That tries to not give anyone airline an advantage, but certainly sure interested in learning more about this you can. You can check out their white paper. It's not hugely long or difficult to read. but the the executive summary simply states under seats this concept the government would purchase enough seats on each flight to eliminate the need for any passengers. Sit next to a stranger. Thanks to uniform social distancing passengers would be more would be encouraged to fly more here. Lines would be encouraged to operate more flights, and the government would ensure the preservation of critical transportation infrastructure and associated jobs, so partners wouldn't have sit next to each other. Kids would not have to be in in seats next strangers. A whole good thing. I think there is one problem with that I. Mean when you said I thought. Hey, that's a great idea. And I started thinking about any time I've seen. After the fact seats usually those three are all joined together I don't think you can just pull out the middle seat. Does anybody know for sure my recollection is? It's one unit well at It's It's quite common actually in Europe. When you fly Intra Europe. On on business class or quote unquote, business class. The first couple of roses seats will be will be your standard. Your standard three abreast you know the left hand the right. But the middle seat. The lumbar support of the middle seat actually falls down, and that becomes kind of like a little table between the two seats on the left, and on the right window and the aisle. So that's that's that's kind of one way of doing that. But to that point the whole social thing. I find it kind of interesting because it Yeah, it's it's. It's one of those feel good. Thanks to hectic to have your seat, mate, you know once he depart from you and that's great and all that stuff, but at the end of the day. Airs being recirculated in. It's all the same pressurization and air conditioning system. Obviously you know running that air through filters and everything else and the introduction of some new air into the cabin, being tapped from the engines through the bleed air system, but at the end of the day you're opening the same air. Obviously like I said Oh precautions are taken and all that stuff, but it really does matter whether you're sitting on top of each other or not. Well if you measure the head to head distances, I'm sure the island middle could be four five feet apart. But what about you know I'll to the one in front of you for example it even if the seat isn't reclined. In front of you is what's kind of the standard spacing thirty inches or These. The seat pitches could. It's quite reduced and it's it's. Smaller and smaller and smaller as time's gone on, because airlines, airlines need to fit more and more passengers in a fuselage to make flights as profitable as possible so. Can Get to the point where well yeah I have, I may have you know four or five. Feet. Laterally about you know front to back like you said it's so it just it just comes back around to what I'm saying is one of those things that really is. It really is aimed at making passengers. Paying passengers feel good about. The prospect of flying and trying to ties passengers back into the into the skies in. That's actually worthwhile. Important thing to do I think anything that makes people feel more comfortable, and and hopefully they all are also. You know safer, I. I'm not in favor of having people. be scammed in that Oh. Yeah, come come here because you know it's safer, but it isn't you know. Let's make it safer, and let's do the things that make people more comfortable to start flying again sooner. Yeah! I think social distancing in-flight remains a you know a significant problem and we've seen. Solutions proposed or maybe not even solutions. Maybe that's too strong. A word, maybe just ways to lessen the effect of the impact of people being so close together, but still i. I'm having trouble seeing how how that can be successfully accomplished. But of course, the the airline glow. The airlines globally are impacted by this including Lufthansa. And we see from CNN that Lufthansa Cher. Holders have distressingly approved day ten billion dollar government bailout. This was kind of interesting the. Government of Germany has come in and has purchased a twenty percent stake in the airline, so they now own twenty percent of the airline in in in exchange for ten billion dollars. That was not at all clear that it was going to happen. The largest shareholder was blocking the deal billionaire businessman Heights Herman. The'll sure I haven't pronounced a quite right, but. He had a fifteen percent. I'm sorry. His holding he said would have been diluted by fifteen percent. I'm sure everybody's holdings were diluted by fifteen percent when the government was given a portion of the airline, but ultimately he finally relented, and interestingly the shares closed up seven percent higher so I. Guess He, he made back part of his loss of fairly quickly there. Yeah, and Lufthansa has been losing money of course as is. I think every airline Lufthansa lost one point two billion euro in the first quarter. They said they were burning through. One million euro in cash every hour. which is pretty pretty significant I do have a cash position of four billion euro that was as of May fifth anyway, but they are planning some some big restructuring They're talking about cutting their fleet by thirteen percent and maybe job. As many as twenty two thousand. Jobs That's That's pretty significant. but they have been. Negotiating with their unions, they have one labor union that represents flight attendants ufo. And the that agreement they say will save five hundred million euro. In costs also with no. Forced layoffs guaranteed for four years. So that's that's pretty significant for both sides but the way they're gonNA do that. They say they're going to achieve those savings with the buyouts pay freezes some reduced ours also unpaid leave. Early retirement in a temporary cut. They say in pension. Contributions so. The employees are giving up something there as well. Yeah, any idea on the fleet restructuring at all or as far as airframes that are concerned her. Yeah. I I don't know what to with the details of of that are I think. They retired all I think they retired all their three eighties eighties. I think yeah Oh. Really I didn't know that. Wow, okay. I I know that Air France. Went went down that path and I. I had no idea I live on the same. Seemed to be. There seems to be a lot of airline Qantas to is taken out there three eighty so maybe. That airline that airplane is going to the airplane. X.'s could outlive that airplanes life, which is kind of frightening. But, just kind kinda scary. I just think it's so interesting. How quickly everything and and you really you look back? A couple of you know ten fifteen years ago. During the development of the seven eight seven, the three eighty, where the really three eighty was was putting a service to kind of serve that point to point, whereas sorry that that hub-and-spoke, whereas the seven eight was was more for a for a point to point, and now you see everything kind of scaling down to three eighty, going the way of the Dodo. and. the seven eight seven, taking over. That haven't spoke kind of model there so it's interesting times indeed, yes, very much, so and it's. Also striking to me. How quickly things can change You know he we can. You don't have to go back very far before the industry was just in. You know in great shape. Most most companies were Achieving great prophets, and all, and and in instead of a few months things can change dramatically, was it Delta Delta was never gonNA. Lose money ever again. That's right. That's right. That was Yeah, that was the statement back then we were. We were a little pessimistic about about it back then. David as I recall well before. The pandemic, but and I. Don't think we would've guessed by which means they would be wrong with that prediction, but I. Think, we all had the feeling that that was a little bit of an aggressive. Yes. Pretty silly. Oh and speaking change as we're recording this the seven three seven Max did its. First of many recertification flights today, so there's a nice change. Yeah, I! It's it's. It's funny. Because I saw the ice all the the route, actually the the the. They're doing. It's From, Seattle to Kate M. W. H. At. The airport Will I forget, but just basically what my my point here is that. When I my conversion back to the seven sixty seven. Every flight was based out of the Seattle International Airport. And every flight that we ever did in the SIM was from. Seattle over to A. M. H.. W. W most like exactly right okay, and the and the way the instructor used to tell us to remember is by m. h w the Max warehouse so just where where they where they store all the maxes. Right down the road there super close, so but yeah, it's nice to see that the Maxa is is going to be know recertified of leasing. Yeah, I think They it's according to There's a CNBC article about this. And I think Boeing shares went up fourteen percent. You know the in today as they started the test flights, but they also say I think three days of test flights. They're being conducted by test. Pilots engineers from the FAA and Boeing. That's according to the FAA. And after these flights, the FAA will be evaluating the the results for several more weeks, apparently and Boeing his saying now that the return to service looks likely by late fall. So, which is still kind of you know, it's a it's a ways off in cash so much longer than I think anybody thought when when they were first taken out of service that. Time last year. Closed up fifteen percent today fifteen percent while the. It'll be good to have it back in the air because I am looking forward Max to getting those royalty checks coming back in both are yeah exactly. It's about time. Well Italy is taking some action as well to address some of the social distancing issues associated with air travel on board There's basically noting that when people are loading up their overhead bins in maybe especially when unloading them as as the flight arrives. You got a lot of people all packed together. Just really really close together, and that's kind of a difficult situation so now the Italian national civil. Aviation. Authority Says that as far as hand, luggage is concerned. Passengers are allowed to bring on board. Only luggage small enough to be placed under the seat in front of the assigned seat. For health reasons, the use of overhead lockers is not allowed under any circumstances so. No no carry on bags for the overhead bins. And I was just thinking I I'm not sure people are as close together when they're putting their luggage up as the are when. The bell rings, and suddenly everybody stands up in the aisle at the same time. I mean I have to admit I'm one of those you know? Stand up in the guys, because I'm usually looking to get get off the plane quickly as possible but holy cow I, mean the density at that moment I mean you are just you know you're packed in together. Lately. The last couple flatts I've taken actually. Airlines have been numb boarding from back to front. And Once the airplane pulls into the gate, and the and the the sepals lined comes off before they do that. The flight attendants will come on the PA and. And instruct passengers asked passengers to please stand up one row at a time and kind of deeply in the same way you get on, the planet seems to work, and people are like I said they're so so so mindful this whole situation going on that the That there are more than happy to oblige, so that keeps it organized, but this is a little. This is a little rash at say. It's you know and what's the load factor been like on the flights? You've been on lately. It's been. Going back to going through a main airline hubs every flight I've taken. That's been packed. Every single one of them. Even the middle seat so. In all fairness. Of I'm sure that a lot of the the Italian flights or Inter Europe flights, so they're not gonna be. There's GonNa, be a lot of people taking our flights, or whatever so they're not bringing were. Not Moving a lot of luggage, you know I'm wondering I'm wondering if if the majority of their volume is head, carry on luggage instead of large. You know I mean if that's the case, then it sort of makes sense if it's all short now. Yeah Europeans. Tend to travel very light and They're very expeditious as far as going through security, and all that actually look up to them because they're. Very What's the word I'm looking for here if? Efficient is for. They know they know exactly what they're doing. You know and it's it's amazing to me how they you know. They packed two or three days worth of clothes into a little tiny rim. Oh No, that's that basically in your back pocket and they're. They're good about that stuff, so I I I agree with you there that De. Wouldn't really be an issue. But still it's one more step having go down to your the baggage carousel and waiting for it, and there's always the risk that it might not make it while they're there. Dot Flying The Philadelphia where we'll take an hour and a half to two hours to get your luggage out out of the airplane so. Yeah another effect of all this is with the MAIMI flights being cancelled due to cove nineteen. and. People are looking for refunds. The Department of Transportation has warned airlines that they must offer refunds to passengers when when they're asked. but of course. The airlines are not really. Predisposed at this point to offer. Cash refunds to passengers. They'd much rather prefer. to give them a vouchers or credits that can be applied to future travel that has much. Much less of an impact on their cash situations. What we were just talking about. but there have been a number of consumer lawsuits. Over this issue and it's. been interesting to see what's been happening with the contract of carriage that the airlines offering now I. If you're not familiar with that. You actually agree when you purchase a ticket. You actually agree to what's called a contract of carriage. which is a legal contract between the airline providing the transportation in and you the passenger? And it's been reported. That American Airlines and British Airways of recently revised their contracts of carriage. United's contract of carriage requires customers to waive their right to participate in a class action lawsuit against the airline. British Airways now requires executive club loyalty. Program members to defer to binding arbitration rather than engaging lawsuits. And we see that frontier and spirits had already had clauses in their contracts of carriage that prohibit class action lawsuits now. I don't know when when's the last time anybody read? Contract of carriage for the airline. It's like those You know when you get some software or something, and you accept these terms and conditions, and everybody says yes, and nobody nobody reads them I. Think it's the same with these. Contracts of carriage. Agri absolutely nobody I certainly I I've never read through the whole thing. I mean who's got time for that and but at the end of the day you know you agree to it and If you travel then you are agreeing to it and that's that. And I was reading today. There's similar issue with the cruise lines. some folks who were stuck on cruise ships for in case like one hundred days or something like that because they couldn't dock, and so on are owed a lot of money, and they've been given part of their compensation. which is you know the the free cruise at some point to be determined, but they were also supposed to get back. the money for. For this cruise, some percentage above that and they've gone in sixty days and told no. No wait another, however me, so yeah, it's a real cash flow management issue and to some extent it turns out for the cruise lines in the airlines, customers are becoming creditors. That's a way for the companies to kind of pass along their cash flow problems. Which is you know? Keep the cash in their pocket longer before they put it. In your pocket, but these class action lawsuits kind of. Remind me that apparently we do have at least one bright spot among the code pandemic, and that is, it's not really impacting the legal profession. So this is good. I'm glad you're there still. Plenty of money during the pandemic. Yeah Yeah and You know. It isn't kidding by the way has. In a variety of ways, but That's pretty funny. So it it. You know if you if you want to find the contract of carriage for the the airline that you're flying on, it's usually not very difficult they're. They're pretty much always on their website. Not always easy to find. I poked around at a couple. I went to United's webpage. And didn't see anything up top, but when I scroll down to the end of the of the page, there was a link down at the bottom for their contract of carriage. You could get right it. I tried southwest same thing. No problem found it right away. And I thought I'd try something completely different since we were talking about. Italy and. Overhead bins so I went to. webpage and trying to see how easy it was to find their contract of carriage. Well, they have something. A link you can find it's to page called passenger rights and I. It's kind of basically the same thing as a contract of carriage, but they don't use that terminology as the. the US airlines. That I checked, did but and it's a little different a little more difficult to navigate on Alitalia's page because they've got to kind of divide it up into different sections instead of one. Here's the document itself but it's there so if you are are really interested in learning about what what you're agreeing to when you buy a ticket, and you may not really want to, but if you who are, you can just just visit the website of the airline. You're flying and. In most cases, you'll find it. I'd be interested in seeing what Ryanair's looks like. Yeah, that would have been a good one. Maybe we'll have to do that as a well that as an exercise to the listener the. You. THAT'S A to work contract I. Signed Michael O'Leary. Pay Toilets next. All right so from Ma well from military dot com. When Moore Story here this is air forces reforge plan could put some older F. Twenty. Two's in red air role. In David I guess the the air combat. Command wants to cut pilot training time. And General Mike Holmes he's the head of air combat. Command, he signed off on a strategy known as rebuilding the forge or or reforge. And under this plan, the Air Force is looking to reduce the time it takes the train, a skilled fighter pilot, and these numbers I thought were kind of. Dating to me reduce the time. It takes a train of skilled fighter pilot to about twenty two months, which is half of what it normally takes. But but they're looking at the F. Twenty. Two's here. David wise that. They're getting old. And our adversaries or catching up to us. The F. Twenty two is a fifth generation fighter. If you're going to be a pilot in the twenty, th century in your need to learn how to fight. And aircraft such as the F.. Twenty two, the the Chinese and the Russians are creating aircraft capable so. The role of training is is to make sure that your pilot is capable of. Not Making the mistakes that they would make normally being a rookie older twenty twos are getting to the point where there little long in the tooth, and there may be not worth upgrading, but they need to be. Able to use them as aggressors or adversaries. Keep in mind. That red flag was designed to teach the first twenty missions to a pilot. In Air combat pilot to get because that was where history showed that the first twenty missions were were your highest potential to do make a mistake and get shot down or killed in action and red flag was designed to eliminate that I twenty twenty missions under high pressure realistic scenarios. That the student could learn without having the fatality involved. So the F. Twenty two is one of those aircraft that you know the Air Force wants to have as an aggressor because it's going. It's the kind of thing that needs to be that. We will be fielding against you know and. With the F thirty five, coming online, the F. Twenty, two's are. You you're just basically trying to. Give as much experience as you can in a safe environment, so that when it's not a safe environment and things are live. You have the added advantage. Do We know how many twenty two are looking at repurposing here? Probably a squadrons worth so you would say about twelve and we for while there. We had F. Fifteen and F.. sixteens flying as aggressors now they. They sent the fifteen back, but some of the roles of the F. Twenty two will be brought on by the fifteen acts that we're starting to purchase, so they can, they can use. The they can use the F. Twenty, two's as adversaries, and yet I mean twenty two is an adversary will be one heck of a hard kill And? We have a really limited number of F. Twenty Two's in the grand scheme of things right I, mean they? They de really built that many of them before now they've canceled them. Yeah, yeah, so I've got that up. It says one hundred, ninety five were built including eight tests and one hundred, eighty, seven, operational I was trying to figure out what it was first deployed looks like I flew in Nineteen ninety-seven, and I believe somewhere around two thousand five, as when the was deployed them I'm not sure about that. Yeah you hear from time to time. Somebody floating the idea of. Reopening production line forever twenty twos it I'm not sure that will ever happen I, I'm not even sure David. If if that should happen, you know. If if if it was possible, would you want? Would we WANNA do that? Way. Yes, in the is is capable aircraft. Do. We want to restart the line I i. don't see that happening I I. It's just. Even, though Lockheed more th ball, most of the hardware to do it, I just the the expense to do. It would be too much and. You Wanna be ahead of the curve so I mean the F. Twenty two now is becoming a standard for the. Based for the Chinese and the Russians, you know and Japan in Korea are all making starting to make fifth generation fighters so. We know to start looking ahead to the sixth generation. You know and so. It's a tough call, but. The odds of it ever being reopened again is is slim to nil, you know. But it's training you know, and and the more training you get on. Dissimilar aircraft the better you are. As far as six generations concerned. What's coming down the Pike optionally manned? By onto I mean that the the next generation of fighter will be optionally manned. So or optionally piloted so I mean they're just starting to talk about six generation. You know, but we're dealing with. We're dealing with fifth-generation, plus which is like the fifteen ax. which is an extremely capable aircraft You know the? Or fourth generation x as well as the latest F16's. There are a lot of capable aircraft. And you may be not need such a high end fighter to fight your battles. You need to have probably a high end low end. You know and with the F thirty five, the F thirty five has a way to network now with lower and fighters, which is why we're bringing on the fifteen x so you have a quarterback now, and you have a bunch of wide receivers and such that so you run your offensive line and the F thirty five, calling out to shots for everybody else you know and then. What you do, is you put your F. Twenty Two's behind that line? They're going to be the ones that you know. If you, get through, we're going to take them out after you get through your wall, so. I. I think that's why we're. We're looking towards. Doing what we're doing is is we're building a diverse? Forward Line instead of just F. Twenty. Two's taking the front line. It's going to be more of a network experience, and if it's network, t. you want things like f fifteen x, which can carry like twenty two missiles. I mean if you if you think about. What you're carrying a gun carriage, you have enough thirty five targeting for the fifteen and the F.. fifteens are just gun carriages. You know you so over the horizon. The F thirty five can spot the targets and then the. By, using the F thirty, five's information can take out far beyond the range, and then if you need close in Dogfighting, if you need to start knife fight, then you bring in the F. Twenty two. So they have twenty two. My favorite I I think they do the best airshow demonstration team. Yeah. I just can't get over this size of that thing. It's I remember the first time I saw in person was in in Oshkosh. Back in two thousand sixteen. I think it was fifteen. And I just couldn't get over. How big thing is just the wing area that things just unbelievable to the the thrust factoring on the on the two engines side just so impressive, but. Like I. Say I'm a little bit biased on that. Right David a little bit a little bit. Again we're speaking with Miami Rick Rick It's good to have you on the show you know for. For for some people who maybe haven't. BEEN LISTENING TO PODCASTS for too long or have been listening to podcasts that have folks that work for airlines It's well those are tending to be very conservative companies that aren't very enthusiastic about employees being in the public spotlight in identifying the the company that they work for and so forth so if you're if you're new to this, and you're wondering well why Miami, Rick what you know, what's he trying to hide you know it. It's not about that it all really it just sort of. Condition for keeping your job, right. L. They've got a list of airlines here I'm just going to read through them. Just your microphone, we. Have to say anything just a little dull Taslima. Yeah Just blink twice when you. So, so rick so in the The business of carrying cargo. It seems like we saw. A big spike, or what may turn out to be a spike, obviously with with the pandemic in terms of. How well the inverse of airlines were seeing and so much. Being carried on cargo flights, did you? Is that what you observed as well as what you participated in. Well. Yeah, I mean like I said earlier there's certainly been a as you said a spike in and cargo, flying but for us the really the Our overall volumes obviously went up, but our operation is so consistent really that that I didn't really see a change in the first person there. Even though our our numbers did go up, obviously, we were having those flights that were doing the mostly p from from China backyard of the United States obviously didn't do any of those, because those are now done by the seven forty seven and have been off the seven four since February. but now flying the seventy six. a mostly. You know DHL Amazon loads. Those those planes are packed to the Gills every single time. and it was interesting because before this whole thing happened particularly on the on the Amazon load. You would be you have a plan to load on your flight plan, which is a you get a you get a packet or a package through email. With the paperwork for the flight under the projected load. And then you get to the airplane. And you know eight times out of ten. The load was significantly lower Compared to what you were expecting, and now not so much now basically, what the what the projected load is ends up being what you end up carrying, and the reason why that is so important because you projected fuel is based on that on that payload. Yeah, the load is measured its weight. Right Way to what you're carrying exactly right. Yeah, it's wait. Do you ever have any idea what's back there? Making up all that? Oh, no I wouldn't think. On on these on these seven six flights Really you have no idea and there's really no obviously the the loaders and people that deal directly with with constructing. The pallets and the U. L. D. The unit load devices, which are these these cans that are shaped after the feast loss. He just basically stack everything in there, then they're. They're. Those folks do a fantastic job. At making sure that we stay safe because one of the main differences between the seven four and the seventy sixers and the seven four. before we pushed back and began the flights one of the one of the flight crew members had to go downstairs and do the load verification procedure. and. Actually go down there and make sure that was on the talker. Notice to captain is actually what's down there and the reason behind that is because on a lot of these flights. You have to follow certain segregation tables. You can't have one type of cargo next to another. Because of of you know just just issues. Obviously, you're not going to have. Something, that's flammable next to a combustible combustible material so stuff like that now the seven six. We are really have that problem because I. The folks at the AMAS. I'll take care of that and then second. Those you will lease fit snugly that few slotched. There's really no way for you to walk through, so you basically rely. Entirely on the paperwork. Yeah that's interesting. That's interesting aspect to to this that I hadn't really considered before and the. The importance of those other. Folks, who are? Loading the containers pallets and in all of that. So. What are the other kinds of considerations I mean must be You know shifting. Wait something like that. Oh absolutely, and like I said the these flags are so so densely packed. Really that there's no room for one more you Leon boards. Basically, all positions are occupied, so any concerns of cargo ship. Really go out the window because there's really no way. No, we're nowhere for those. You'll these to move around. Besides. Obviously there they're secured to the to the to the main deck. There's securing mechanism for each one of those Lisa, so they don't move around, but if they're all loaded and there's no room for him to move around that really you know, it's not really a concern. The obviously these yield these are going to be weighed individually, and they're loaded in a certain sequence to optimize the center of gravity to make the. The flight asked fueling uncles as possible. You obviously want as far after CDs as possible because that that gives you the the greatest fuel economy, so that's kind of how they do it. Well, the good news is you get very few customer complaints. I'm guessing from. None whatsoever. Yeah, no, it's! It's Great I. Tell Ya going from flying passengers to find cargo. I've been flying cargo since two thousand eleven and I never looked back. It's great. Yeah I heard that I go David, but I've heard that from. Other other pilots to fly cargo. It's just a bit more enjoyable than than passengers well. I guess that's what what I was going to ask. Maybe for some of our listeners who don't. Talk about a day in the life. You know we've heard so much about. We know a lot about what? The normal airline pilot goes through, but what? What's Your Day? Look like? A Normal Dana Life especially now on the seven six side of things It's a lot more structured. It's a lot more predictable I would say in that back in the seven forty seven. Really your day dependent on who the customer you're flying a load for was that day be at the air mobility, command or a particular flat department for Cathay Pacific or Japan. Airlines or whoever it was. And it was, it was really dependent on on the load, being ready and talking about the the military AMC. Things were kind of touch and go sometimes, because there's so many variables to really had to mold yourself to their operation. Flying Seventy seven now and Basically parcel delivery. Everything is Kinda. You know it's it's. It's very regimented, and the schedule is very much so printed them stone the way it's published. That's the way it's GONNA, go! It used to be that I had A. My personal communication device with the company. In my pocket on the seven forty seven at all times because it was, it was just normal for your scheduled to change. Here on the seven six once schedules published. It never changes, and at I'm still getting used to that and out of muscle. Memory is still keep my my pocket at all times, because that's just after five seven four for so long. It's kind of what I'm. Used to this point, but to answer your question Dave. It's very easy had been doing lately been Amazon. which is great because it's banker's hours? No while I'll have a wheels up time of nine thirty ten o'clock in the morning. Usually active, not not usually always activation calls can be three hours prior to break release time, so activate short seven o'clock so I kinda work backwards from there I like to you know. Go for good gym in the morning, so I'll if I have to be evacuated at seven o'clock. Like to give myself about, and you know an hour before that to go over paperwork, which means they have to be back in my room at six in the morning, which means that for me to go to the gym for about an hour hour and a half. I have to be up at four in the morning, so my my day starts quarterly. So go to the gym. Come back upstairs shower. I'm going to log onto the computer system here and download the paperwork for the flight. And look at my electronic fly back here. And download the fly planet my. And look at the normal things that that any pile would look at. Flight, what the weather's looking like applicable notes notices to airmen for destination on route. And origin, airports You, consider you. Look at the plan. Fuel load that the dispatcher is giving you and you compare that to the shadow flight and the weather. Nine Times out of ten. These guys and gals do a fantastic job, so I don't have to do anything about that. Are, you look at the standards of the airplane maintenance and otherwise. And then by that time You know. You get a call from from not a call, but it's kind of like a an alert on your p. c. d.. That that goes off, and that is your wakeup call and we'll go to the shower. Take a showering head on downstairs and. The van is downstairs waiting for you. Drive to the airport. And you'll get. To the airport and one of my favorite things is not having to walk through the Terminal I. Tell Ya Yeah Yeah just going straight to Either through a side door somewhere or a lot of these Amazon facility to walk right through the society, which is their amazing. Amazing places. It's like You know like those old timey cartoons with the factory you know with with the saw. Free Song goes, but it's exactly like that. Everybody's doing exactly what they're supposed to be doing. Everybody's standing exactly what they're supposed to be standing and it works like a Swiss watch. Unbelievable you walk outside, you get to the airplane. And usually you'll stay at the same hotel with your F- Oh, so On the right to the airport, you'll be kind of do a little pre brief. You'll decide who's Gonna fly the leg two to leg day This is going fly the first second. A look at the weather beforehand. Obviously, so if the one that's got the worst weather, it's one I'll take. And then once you get to the airplane, the whoever's doing the First leg will get upstairs. lhote the box, the flat metric computer go through all the preflight procedures and the other the other pilot. Who Do the the walk around? Once that is done. You'll get upstairs and usually at that point. You're an hour away from from break release. come the half hour mark. Request to see clearance at about. Ten minutes before the break released the shut the cargo door. You'll get your final paper sign that off. And off, you go so It it. It's it's really the the easiest job I've ever had. The one thing you have to keep in mind though you have to be very mindful of the clock. Because the the sort so the Whatever station you're flying to is way you're flying. It's waiting on that load at a certain time, and it's a very very specific window. You can't be there early. You can't be there late. You have to get there right on time. So that's why a lot of times you requested an early departure, but you can't get one because they don't have. They don't have you, so you have to be very very mindful of the time. When you were earlier sort of explaining some of the differences between seventy, four, seven, seven, six, seven. That's be cut not because of the aircraft. Differences itself. That's because of the different customers that. Yes, right this was this was the operation. The operation nets just. Directly related to the the type of operation, right? That's yeah that that's what I. That's what I thought How about how about flying that different different aircraft, do you? Do you prefer I. Mean this is always a sort of a silly question, but seven four seven versus the seven six seven. Well, that's Elliott. I've I'm lucky in that at flown. I'm typed on everything between his from the seven, four, seven, eight seven. Seven eight, but I'm typed in it. And I've flown the seven, five, seven, six, triple seven. And seven, forty, seven at out, and out of all the airplanes I've ever flown the Boeing plant overflowing. My favorite today's the seven fifty seven. And it's because it's just. The thrust to weight ratio plan. Oh, my goodness! That plane is just unbelievable. It's. So simple, it's the simplest airplane around. It's a simplified seventy six. It's a common type rating, obviously seven, five, seven, seven, six seven. Just like the triple seven seven are type ratings in certain places. Okay can I can I ask Rick about the opposite end of the spectrum about flying aircraft? Of course, please? What's the monster like flying? What are you GonNa do to fly the dream lifter all the dream lifter, the dream lifter, so it's The airline that I fly for currently the reason why I got to fly is because My airline currently has the contract to fly the dream lifter. We didn't always have it. the dream lifter is actually. was a project between Boeing and Evergreen lines back in the day and so after Evergreen. Folded that came on over to us and we've had ever since now. Apparently, the reason why we still have it is because Boeing requires that whoever has the contract is able to train pilots on the Dash, four hundred and own their own simulators and their own turning department. It's one of the conditions for for an airline to hold that contract and and and. Certain numbers simulators, and the the and the scope of the program has to be such. A couple of you know just just a bunch of boxes that needs to be ticked up at this point and time. My airline is the only one that that checks all those boxes and that's the reason why we have it now. As far as flying, the dream lifted sells. The dream lifter is just a heavily modified seven, forty, seven dash four hundred. It flies just like any other dash four hundred us. The the flames from is the cockpit. The flight deck is exactly the same but clearly the European is slightly drager, not a sleek. As your normal dash four hundred is obviously because of the the cargo area in the back something like sixty five thousand cubic feet of area, there obviously not pressurized because it doesn't need to be all you're carrying. Components for the seven eight seven soon. Now seven six components as well. As the the production lines. Go back up on the seventy six. Usually, the seven four dash four hundred. Depending on your cost index and cost index is a number that we enter into the flat medicine that computer and all that really is. It's a relationship between the price of fuel and the cost per hour of the operation. The higher cost index is. The higher your speed is, but the higher your fuel Bareness and conversely the lower your cost indexes lower speed, but then again the lower fuel consumption is so. At average cost indexes the seven four dad, four hundred cruises anywhere between point four point six mock. The dream lifter being so Draghi it's still very fast at about point eight to mock. Compare that to the Airbus Beluga. It don't even break point eight zero so. But then again we have thirty seven and a half degrees of wing sweep, versus whatever it is, they have so dilute tricky on the on the crosswinds, obviously, because of that data large surface area. And the seven forty seven. It's be at four, hundred, a dash, eight or the green lift, or you have to be really really careful. Of, your crosswind landing technique because of your low slung wing, mounted engines. People usually think that engines that are really at more risk at most risk, really striking the runway or the outboards, but they're not actually the inboard engines. They have to be really really careful with if you have more than a five degree bank. At? touched out with compressed struts. You will touch that pot there, so you have to come in. In a crab, you always come into the crowd. Never site slip on a seven four so interesting. Yeah, did you see is is laid up about the engines there, Rick. I did that. So that the the seven seven dream lifter contract that's A. Service that is direct right. Yeah, that's maybe for folks who aren't familiar with ACM. I, see m I kind of what the what the difference is and what that means to you. Well ACM AVERAGES CMO and that is a great question More for the pros, really you know where we're here. Acm I basically means aircraft, crew, maintenance, and insurance. Basically what that means is that a company like mine will provide all four of those to a an operator that doesn't that doesn't have their aircraft with their own flight department. and. They're basically contracting. The aircraft managed department and our insurance to fly their cargo from point a to play, or or whatever it is that they need to be flying from point a to point. B. C. contract basically means at all. We really are providing the crew, the maintenance the insurance. But the the person are the group that's contract. Provides the aircraft, so we don't own. The Ford Dream Lifters those are owned by by Boeing. And they are in pristine condition. I love going into those dream lifters there because those guys it's they make it very very clear when you set foot in those dream lifters that the plane belongs to them. When you go! When you go through Seattle or Charleston her or through Kansas there, but again that's basically the difference in ACM, I and de. In your company does does both yes? Yes, don't need some of the aircraft. are owned by your company, and you know flown and operated, and in other cases like with the with a dream after. Boeing, owns owns that asper well I got a question about the team lifter because I typically, they're going to be moving freight for for Boeing. How did they come to be involved with the transporting P P at the beginning of the coronavirus crisis pandemic? Pardon me. Obviously, you can carry a lot in that in that airplane, but. The support equipment required to make that are playing. Work is not something that is readily available just about anywhere, so if you're GONNA fly around. You need to land in either SEATTLE UP IN PAINE field down in Charleston or or done in Wichita as though it's not really it's not really I guess efficient to flat airplane. From from just about any airport because you can't. Just the the the the swing tail mechanism is very very complicated. You need a lot of support equipment to to open the airplane. You can't just swing the opening. You actually have to drive a specially heavily modified tractor trailer with support points underneath that that tale. There's this. Hydraulic Jack Mechanism that supports the tail as the truck drives semicircle open in the tail. Sing around. And not not every airport. Has that so it? It was nice. You know it's nice to see. Aerial Port Nightmare. It's kind of like. It's kind of like when they bring the be fifty two in Oshkosh. We have to fly a C. Five in with the tow bar. You know like okay. You know exactly it's it's. It's nice to see. It's nice to you. Know obviously Boeing wants to wants to be. You know they want to be seen as obviously it's it's not that there's anything wrong with that, but I mean every everybody wants to chip in and help but as far as payload concerned and and the practicality of the whole thing you know you're. You're better off with a four hundred or she. Well sort of one last question for me Rick is We've seen the airlines kind've. TIME, crisis or Contemplate, carry more cargo We've seen some examples of taking seats out. Things like that I I just see this very short term. Kind, of thing in our. View at the same way that now, this doesn't really represent a threat to the to the business. You're in carrying cargo. Oh No, no, no, not at all, not at all. I mean. And and it just it just goes on. Prove really that that I made the right choice so those years ago going from from passengers to cargo, because passenger flying a does rely not completely, but heavily on disposable income, and and these you know. Difficult Times that tends to. Be the first thing to go really, but freight needs to move regardless, which is why airlines have come around and. Adapted to to the times, but as far as that really. Affecting us. Or bring volumes down not at all I. don't see that happening and actually one of the things. Path to becoming a pilot in the cargo business. Is it typically a different path than? Those, flying passenger planes or is it? Is Flying passenger usually the the past a cargo. How does that work well? You don't have to land quite as softly right. Exactly or deviate around thunderstorms. We are going to get. It, I, do believe this is more of a personal preference. Tepid thing, really the paths are exactly the same The requirements are exactly the same as far certifications concerned, and you know hours of flight, and all in all the and all the cars that apply. Eh just comes to you. Come to the point where you get to that fork in the road and if If, you're able to. You know if your body is able to take back side of the clock flying, you know multiple time zone changes and sleeping on airplanes, and you don't seem to, and you don't have a problem with that. then you know cars, a good deal for you again. There's other factors that come into play here as well you know, and they're. They have nothing to do with the operation of the aircraft itself You need to have a very very very supportive. Family back home, You need to have someone that has you know very independent. because flying cargo does keep you away longer than flying passengers because just just imagine. A compare for for for comparison a an average leg. On a seven forty seven is anywhere between you know eight and twelve hours whereas fly domestically at states. Which is what I've been doing lately. It's you know two to three hours, so you can you can. You can get a trip done in three or four days. Versus having to be gone for two weeks sometimes three weeks at a time, so it gets. It gets to that point there, but If like I said you have the support system back home, and you're able to handle You know large differences in time and being sleep deprived sometimes. You're able to handle that then no cars about deal. All right all right interesting conversation. Thanks! Thanks. Rick really appreciate it. tell tell our listeners where they might find you online line. Well, I am at Miami Underscore Rick and that is twitter. And also at. AP G. Crew. That's also twitter one of four co hosts of the airline pilot guy show. We record every week as well so Will be a be. Be Happy to see there as well. Great, so so how how Jeff work with Jeff is kind of difficult. Jackie's. Yeah! To. and. We have a great relationship with that show. We are one big, happy family, even though the. Even, though the letters have changed, which gets all confused, but. One. Big podcast family absolutely tell you gentlemen. Thank you so very much for the opportunity to come back on with you guys and please anytime You need to have someone on just you know. I'm but a phone. Call away fantastic. We'll take you up on that. Still, a little bit of what's up with the GEEKS anybody have I guess. David mentioned that we had a zoom meet up last week, and we want to thank everybody who attended. It was kind of announced on short. Notice. if, you're in our slack team. I think you. You got notice, but there wasn't much advance. Notice here on the PODCAST so here's here's something with a little bit more. Notice more advanced notices coming up. We have EA spirit of aviation week. We mentioned that July Twenty three twenty fifth twenty twenty. Website is EA gather dot org. That's also the Hashtag that's being used as we mentioned previously, they're going to have number of forums. Interviews discussions some video content. Also some archival pieces looking at flight and so We thought we would do another zoom. meet up sort of to run. Concurrent with that For a day, probably July twenty first but we haven't haven't lacked that in so if you WANNA, get updates on that zoom, meet up to include. What's the link was the password to get in and all of that? I guess you can do one of two things or both of two things you can join our slack team, and we have channel in there for events and meet ups and you'll. Always have the latest information in there, or you can alternatively send us an email with the subject spirit of Aviation Week and just simply with that. When we have it scheduled, wills will send you an email with the particulars as to how to join the zoo meeting, and these have been really successful David. I've had a blast on these. I think people who've come. Come in and talk to pedigree time to yeah, and I it's. It's good to see Put faces to me I. Mean What are We'd like doing about pilot day or innovations of flight is we get the put faces to names and listeners, so it's always a good thing and these. Eh Been Really Fun lots of conversations. Lots of laughs some adult beverages. Though, we don't consume like that other show, but we Maybe, we should. But yeah definitely. And? I think the first time we did it. We had up to fifty people, so don't think that there's. No Room for you. We'll make room. We'll save a seat. Yeah, scales pretty well. He and if you want to join our slack team David, I didn't mentioned that how how join our slack team. They do it by sending us an email to the geeks at airplane GEEKS DOT COM, and we'll send you a invite great. All right any other updates from any of you guys as to what's going on. No update from here, but one question for Rick. When that dreamliner landed the wrong airport in Wichita back in two thousand thirteen that that wasn't you right now. And the. And the the gentlemen since retired, but that that that really did Bring attention to the importance of backing up visual procedures with instrument procedures and the way point, Verification and stuff like that and so. It tends to happen You know less and less, but it. It does happen sometimes in fact, Interestingly enough if you look at the chart for the less runway nine here in Miami, there's a note that says that There's an airport just to the north of here. That looks exactly like it. Make sure that your lane at the right airport, so it doesn't happen. It's funny. You mentioned that because I was just about to say. We have that happen from time to time at San Jose now. Nobody's actually landed at read. Hillary airport. Airport with its three thousand one way, but they have often lined up for when they were headed for San Jose International, and usually when that happens, nor cal perch knows to say You know what you're probably looking at the wrong way, so yeah I. Certainly Hope in these days of GPS that's happening less and less, but I'm I'm always amazed when it does happen, but yeah, my favorite one. Is that C. Seventeen at night Dan Tampa? Yes. You know and it so. Happens even to even to the? very much, so but I think it shows how easy it is for pilots at target fixation where you know once you see the airport, you just kind of lock in it and you know all the other cues. You kind of ignore. That are telling you. Something's not quite right, and you just kind of keep charging away. What you've initially locked in on so yeah. I think that that's important for people realize that yeah, it can happen now, so that's why the the the seat behind the to pilot, and between them they call that the smart seat because you can actually see things from you know the. Big Picture type vantage point there, and that's why you usually when we fly with with complex, grew or heavy crew, there'll be a pilot, and the pilot is the one sitting in this March Neil. Go back and make sure Intel. You're smart seat. If you see anything, make sure to slap because we can't see it from up here. That's good I spent some time in the right to see I when I moved to the left seat. I tell folks I'm instantly fifty percent I. Mean it's just it's incredible. How when you're sitting there. You know training someone. You can see everything but ben when you're doing yourself. It's easy to miss stuff. I tell you that's why love being a the time is spent to the simulator instructor on the seven sixty seven I tell I. Tell People that and it's and this is true to this day that I really learned how to fly when I became a CFI, and I really learned how to be an airline Captain Airline pilot when I became a simulator instructor. Because you really do learn a lot from other people's mistakes Oh. Yeah and if you can't and if you can't communicate how to do it. It it you, you become better at it to be able to communicate how to do it. Hey speaking of doing things well, and not doing them well. Rick Have you seen the ATC conversation that was posted a few days ago from a pilot that was flying the Las Vegas. Class Bravo without clearance. Yeah this this particular recording has really gotten lots of comments on social people from many many many people. And now we was he in the Class B without a clearance, but he had an attitude which I can only describe it as being maybe entitled. Perhaps clueless. What did you think of that? I just. I can't believe. That that gentleman still slow I don't know if he's still flying around or not, but just just kinda you know just just the entitlement, and that voice you know. When you're ready, you know, go ahead and take that a number and the Guy Goes I. CAN'T I'm flying? You know just like. What The Heck is wrong with you. Dude, and you're not creating go in there, and then he goes then clear me, so it's just not the right way to go about things and I. Hope I hope he certainly became famous for all the wrong reasons and I don't know what's going to happen an but It's it's. Helped the FAA dustic swift action. I don't want any Sharon. This guy's with at all. No, you know, there were really two problems. When he was in the wrong and to, he acted like he was titled. It didn't matter if he was in the wrong. Give me give me what I want. And it's just seemed to be zero acknowledgment that he was just not well that he was breaking the regulations. You know flat out and I and I think the FAA really worries about pilots with the wrong attitude because. You just don't know what they're GonNa do if they act like that. Exactly and it's not like you know when you're when you're sharing airspace with with other aircraft You're relying on everyone. You know dancing to the same tune, and if that's not the case, you safety margin really goes out the window, and then safety margins out the window. What else do you really have what there to keep us on? What's there to? It's not like you can pullover or stop. You know it's it's really it's dangerous. Stuff that stuff you don't play around with. Yeah, that's true I mean I think there's always a high level cooperation between pilots and air traffic controllers. Often we can anticipate each other's needs, and we do whatever we can to make the thing just seamless, and you know, anticipate and react in. It's like wow. This was like throwing sand in the gears. Alright, send a link to that to the ship for the show notes. We'll do all right. We have just one quick item from listener, mailer or listener mailbox from Mark Newton who sent in. He said my very late nomination for a launchpads, bad aviation movie contest. How this is called, dawn flight. And will. Have a The video a youtube video. Right in the show notes. You can watch us if you want, but. This thing actually won an Oscar for best short film. In one or No. I, don't think of sorry. No, it was nominated for best short film in Nineteen, seventy six. As mark, says to notables. He says the glider formation flying is spectacular. I think it is, and he says the overacting is. How you say that word, is it a word? I think. I thought it was X. crucial when. Excruciating when I read what I read it before, but yeah. It's I I always actress. In language thing that we have so much trouble. Yeah, it's really bad. It's just really bad. Now. I was a little confused because the youtube videos sixteen minutes long, but I looked forward on IMDB, and they say it's twenty three minutes long, so I don't know what you know where this. Difference comes from but. I don't know. Is that thing shot on an eight millimeter camera or was it? Somebody took their. Cheap, nineteen seventy six camera, and took a made a video of the movie playing on a screen or some. Is like the worst looking thing I've ever seen. You know it might actually be a video of the movie. I'm thinking I'm wondering because. Otherwise, how could you get Oscar nominated for? But anyway the yeah, the acting is really bad. The the it it's it's about a guy flying a glider and he's the good glider. I guess the the Evil Glider starts chasing him, and he's trying to get away from the evil gliders I dunno, it's. It's free so. Bad movie I couldn't figure out what it was about to be. There was there was no dialogue. No story Just you know just a whole. Bunch of shots stuck together so Back to mark, and said you win hands down. That's that is the worst aviation movie and I'd like to encourage our listeners to save sixteen minutes of their life that they will never get back by not watching it. Yeah it it. It really is rather painful this public service announcement. Yes exactly so. Thanks mark for that. Right, thank you for listening to the airplane geeks. podcast our guest. Of course was Miami Rick Rick Great to have you on the show again and best of success for you. You've got a few years before you actually retire right? You're going to be flying for sometime. I'll be flying for Obama. Little bit over a quarter of a century to go here so a little while to get. 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612 Difficult Times for Airlines

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612 Difficult Times for Airlines

"This is the airplane Geeks podcast. Our aim is to educate, inform you explore and expand your passion for Asian and entertain you a little along the way. This episode United Airlines announces the possibility of a very large furlough airline. Bookings are depressed again. Flight Training with social distancing airlines struggling to enforce face covering policies how airports are responding to the pandemic Boeing's draft pilot training document for the seven three seven Max circulating in Spirit Airlines steps up to help a family in need all that and more coming up right now. Welcome to the airplane. GEEKS podcast. This is episode six hundred twelve of the show where we talk aviation. I'm Max flight in with me. This episode is Max Trescott. He's host of Aviation News. Talk podcast. He's also see if I've the year. He's an expert on the CIRRUS aircraft Max great to be back here and I kind of feel like we've got the band back together kind of a blues, brother's thanks. This should be a fun night. Yeah, yeah, it's the old group which includes of course David Vanderhoek our aviation historian. Hello, everyone Hopefully you had a good week in everyone. Stay. Healthy I have to admit I'm kind of tired, but for the best reason of all because I actually had four days at work. So? A, but yeah, it's kind of fun having the band back together. All of the things that go with having certain individuals like. toenail clipping and what other things go on. David David. That's the. Second best reason to be tired, but we'll take it. We're glad you're back at work. Also with us. Is Rob Mark Senior. Editor of Flying Magazine Publisher of the Jet Wind blog. Publisher publisher I can't. Okay. Hey. Thanks for inviting me. Guys Hook by going to be of some help here. It's always good to have your ob. All right well, listen. Why don't we jump right in with some of the nation news from the past week? Is Everyone Ready? Ready from the West. Ready. I. STORY COMES FROM USA Today United Airlines to lay off up to thirty six thousand US employees in October. His travel remains depressed. Max It's a depressing topic. Well, it's not a surprising one because the. Funds were allocated from Congress. Basically said that companies had to keep their employees on staff through the end of September. If they wanted to take the money, obviously, a lot of the airlines took the money, and so this is kind of to be expected. I did see a couple articles related to at one said that this is fully fifty percent of their staff. Another suggested that they have to give sixty days of notice to employees that are going to be laid off, and this is considerably earlier than sixty days and so one author was suggesting that may be the reason united. United has done this early is they're hoping to put a little pressure on Congress to come through with a another bill that might allow them to extend You know, pe, the the bail out a little bit further congress I guess goes on their summer recess sometime around the first of August. which would be sixty days before so this would give them several weeks. Notice that if they're going to act, now's the time to do it. Yeah, the sixty day notice. It's called a warn notice W. A. R. N. and stands for worker, Adjustment and retraining notification, and it's a A requirement to provide the the union with sixty days. Notice before certain job actions like this. And this! Yeah, this is a big one for sure most of these positions about twenty six thousand of the thirty six thousand at. United talking about would be flight attendants and also airport customer service in gate agents, but pilots aren't off the hook up to two, thousand, two, hundred and fifty of them. Could be. Affected by this. There is another thought here too that maybe they have gone to thirty six thousand. It's it's A. It's A. It's a hope that maybe they only plan to lay off. Say Twenty five thousand. And they've cut themselves some slack. Because you can't. You can always go down in the number that you lay off, but you can't go up once you have released or once you've warned thirty six thousand I mean. It could be thirty six thousand anyway, but I'm just saying this. Always maybe Well and then the the other thing I think related to this is. Just the first to announce. It's reasonable to expect that all the other majors are going to have similar kinds of announcements relatively soon, which means this is just a huge huge bloodbath. It is really is the the theory that united his announced this in order to try to influence Congress in an election year we might add. To provide some additional assistance that's one of the theories being bandied about another did I've seen is station that united has some voluntary packages offerings out to employees of of various kinds early retirement and other things as well and some are speculating that. united announced this early in hopes of encouraging more employees to take those voluntary. VOLUNTARY PROGRAMS! Interestingly the president of the Association of Flight Attendants Sarah Nelson past guest on this podcast. was taking a kind of an interesting stand, but it included a comment that the the numbers from united. She called them a gut. Punch, but. Praised, united, in effect, for, being realistic about. The situation and you know other, said with the the recent change in CEO at hit United Airlines. That you know this is. In keeping with you know with his style, the new style that you tell it like it is be blunt. Beat around the Bush and things certainly in bad straights for the airlines right now. Boy, it's it's sad, though that that this is the kind of adventure in life that the management united finally decides to start telling the truth It's just it's really it's really sad but I agree with Max There's more to come I. mean the the entire industry go to shrink. We don't like it, but There's nothing we can do about it until this virus gets under control and. right now. `boy that doesn't look like it's going to be anytime soon. Now it doesn't and I. Mean we're. We started to see some improvement in the in in the bookings on the airlines, and in fact over it. FOOL DOT com. United Airlines has a huge warning for airlines. They noted that. Back, in mid April, which some ways seems like yesterday, and and other seems like forever ago. But in mid April, there were days when the TSA checkpoint volume was only about four percent of the previous year's levels. it improved in May on May twentieth for example, TSA checkpoint volume was. Had screamed up to only ten percent of or as much as ten percent of two thousand nineteen levels, then June fourteen, it was up to twenty percent of two thousand nine hundred level, so the trend was a was good, even though the levels were low, but in July TSA screenings. Have have since dropped down. And this is attributed to the fact that the number of states particularly new. York new, Jersey and Connecticut announced Fourteen Day Mandatory Quarantine for people arriving from nineteen other states. included Texas Florida and California populous states, and so looks like the The passenger volume is dropping back down. Yes Chicago's doing the same thing. and now the the funny thing about that though is that BAE said now we're not going to enforce it because they realized there's no way to do that with thousands of people coming into o'hare and midway every day. But. They said they're hoping. People will do the right thing and realize why they're trying to do it. which is to slow the The the infection on a of this virus and unfortunately is probably gonNA. Talk about later. There's no national policy so every state. Governor is kind of doing their own thing. And some of them are leaning one way, and some are leaning another. Yeah, yeah, and and we'll be talking about the the government's recommendations for for the airlines for airports, but the point is in in Rob's really. Hit the nail on the head. Is it their recommendations? They're not. They're not requirements. But in all fairness, we're not alone because this week down in Australia, their states have locked themselves down from transfer transferring people from one area to another, so they're. They're in the process of going through lockdowns while we're probably the worst in the world. Unfortunately I have to say that, but There are other nations that are. Locking down transport, and and another good indication of that is, we can't as United States. Citizens fly to either Canada, or we can't even fly to Europe because of the regulations, so that also will reduce transport I can't go up and see my brother be, or he can't come down here. because. We can't cross that border so. It's it that all of this stuff is going to affect travel in multiple ways. Well the thing I continue to be amazed at. Is that people still Kinda look at it is oh, that problem was over there. Fortunately I don't have to worry about it where I am at a note from somebody just a few weeks ago from Tennessee going you know Jeez. Sorry things are so bad out there. And I looked at the stats today and The numbers are exploding in Tennessee You're talking about Australia go. Melbourne is the city were They've had a lot of cases. They've. Shut off flow I. Guess From there to New South Wales to the to the south. So yeah, it's just one of those things where even though it seems like. Maybe we don't have a problem in a particular area boy. It doesn't take long for for to really change and the take off complacent about it. Now I think that's what a lot of people are concerned about too is the is this sudden jump? Because so many locations on the earth. Decided to start opening back up too soon. Perhaps, or is there something else inherent in the virus that? Kind of been laying in wait, and now it's real. They kept talking about the second wave. I don't even know I. Don't think we even got past the first one but so. Everybody is just so lost with this whole thing because and then we hear from various sources that you know it's no big deal is it's still it's just like the flu I. Don't need a mask, I, I have the right to not wear one, or it's just going to disappear and I. It's crazy. Your multiple personalities are coming out here again. Oh, that wasn't just you talking about your opinion hook? You were representing all the many various opinions out then yes I. I should have changed voices what I did. Right so we could tell. Well you know one issue associated with all this and social distancing, and so forth is Does that mean that flight instruction has to come to a halt? In Rob You recently wrote in Flying Magazine about. Well a a kind of solution that at least one company is taking. What what was that? What did I say? Redbird redbird Oh. Yes, that answer! Yes, you know. Whatever it was, it was great when. Well. The July twenty I would have been opening day for air venture this year, and of course we all know few months ago, it was canceled. But the Experimental Aircraft Association and a number of other groups they work with redbird simulation included I mean the National Association of Flight Instructors. as a society of flight educators Jepson A. Just a bunch of them have all been working very hard to try to create a virtual. Air Venture with the events going on. Online. which okay? Maybe they're not as cool as walking around smelling the the jet fuel or the gas, or or the the brats on the on the cooker, or what have you but anyway so just always in March I I talked to one of the fellows down at redbird, and they said well we're trying to. We're trying to figure out if we can. Operate our pilot Proficiency Center remotely and for people that don't know each year sponsors along with others a place on the main grounds near I still call it aeroshell square. What does it Boeing Plaza now I think. Is that what they bags help? What. You're right, I. Think it's Boring Plaza. Center right but inside. They have probably. Probably twenty-five redbird simulators, and and people can sign up and just walk in and fly with an instructor through some pretty intricate and. Adventurous scenarios on the simulator to kind of experience things they've never tried before so they said well. Why can't we do this remotely? And so a lot of people said how are we going to do that? So redbird got together with the cloud Hoy with. They were trying to get to together with pilot edge, but it didn't come together Instructors and Of course, EA and they put together. What is going to be a virtual pilot, proficiency, center and and the the link in the story up on the the show notes. The people will find out they can. If they have access to a nearby redbird simulator during oshkosh week, they can sign up to. Receive Remote flight. Instruction say from You know somebody in in your part of the World Max East. giving some instruction to somebody and Max West's part of the world, and it's just pretty much like looking over their shoulder, and taking them through some of the some of the training just to to show them. WHAT SOME PRETTY COOL I! Of Our experiences are so, it's it's been tested, but of course it's it's new technology so I think they're probably going to be a few blips along the way, but I I really. I went through part of the training unfortunately I missed. Two of the sessions, and by the time I came back in I was like far. Get a guys. There is no way I can catch up because I don't even know where you guys are coming from to pull all this together, and it just looks absolutely amazing and I really wish them a whole lot of luck and I hope a lot of people go up to the pilot proficiency center link on. E as virtual air venture site, and and sign up because I think it's going to be a whole lot of fun now. Do we think this is something? Some technology that might be used after Oshkosh, or are you? Are the virtual cash or I think it will be I I think. I think we were headed that way anyway, but now I think that they're testing it and again. This is kind of the new telephone of the of the year. You know I mean so again. It's GonNa have a few jumps along the way. But I really do believe that eventually you're going to find folks like. Me and that other instructor over there. WHO's in my lower right hand corner? Max Who. Say Well you know. I'm kind done flying and. I think I'd like to continue to teach if I could, but they'll be able to teach remotely. And I think it's a it's a great way not to lose. A great deal of experienced are experienced flight instructors. At least that's my hope and I think some of the other folks are. Thinking the same way I bet you max T has a point to make. Well Liberty University headed announcement out probably four to six weeks ago that they had gone to something similar to this. Maybe they were kind of Beta testing. The Redwood redbird has just introduced. They made a number of points that can show where this would go beyond just a solution for Kovic one of which was that since they're in a RELIG-. Burn Virginia which is you know not not not in one of the big metro areas It's hard for. For them to sometimes attract flight instructors to to move there, and they said this becomes a way for them to now recruit from a large pool of talent anywhere in the world, and that they look at this as a huge advantage for them to be able to offer flight instruction remotely well and Redbird. Course a few years ago did put together an entire curriculum in which they were using their simulators quite a bit for brand new pilots. Not just. Taking them out in the airplane for the first forty or fifty hours, but really alternating between the airplane in the simulator, and they proved that it can actually reduce the number of hours. It takes somebody to learn to fly now, of course. If we weren't in Lynchburg, we wouldn't be able to get into the airplane eventually and fly with students, but I agree with Max I think it's I think it's going to supplement that that flight instructor. Well I should say. Supplement the flight instructor ranks except. Ve also got a lot more pilots on the street. Who may be flight instructors as well who are going to be looking for something to do? Come October first. Yes, yes, early, right, right? Well the virtual. Oshkosh if you will, I it's It's called E. AS spirit of aviation week. and. We mentioned that before the website for that. Is he a together Dot Org? And again that starts July. Twenty first. Twenty twenty and boy have they got a lot of events lined up in the calendar. Now I. Don't know. Maybe this is as many events as they would have. if Oshkosh Fair Venture, itself was actually being held, but. I mean just looking at the first day Tuesday July twenty first. There's a couple of dozen events here. Garment, virtual air, venture, Oshkosh, experience, climb, performance and factors that affect your climb. How by an airplane? All Electric beaver first, Flight that was. That's that's kind of interesting Build and fly your own. subsonic jet a chat with chartered all trevor his next big journey. Trevor was a guest on a on this show in the past sim venture. Nastase James Webb Space Telescope, and it goes on and on and on. There's just so much stuff here so Again I take advantage of of this The the website is ea together dot org in the you can find the counter well at that page, but also same thing slash calendar. And you can filter. The results the list of scheduled activities by date and by topic, so it's It's pretty useful very very cool. Is this as many activities as? I would have found had I head Oshkosh been on this year and I attended. I think it would be hard to equal the number that they they do in person If you look at just the forums there, there are probably on the order of a few hundred. Forums that are given so yeah this. This is probably a subset. You're right and and Max but listen. Go Anyway, attend anyway. We'll get. You revved up for next year because the old. the slogan this year is. oshkosh twenty twenty one. Be there. Or and in all fairness, there's so many. At Air Venture you never make everything you want to see. You have to be picky and choosy and. and. There isn't a day that goes by their venture that simultaneously or two events that you wish you could split yourself in half and attend, but you can't say have to pick one so in this way. It's kind of take a little bit of the pressure off of you, but when you go to Oshkosh, you have to realize you're never going to see it all and you say next year. You're going to catch up to wherever, but you still never see. See it all because there's just so much there to say I think the first time I went for three days, and then I started going for five days and I just started going for a week to. It's the only way to do it so when you go just plan to be there. You know a full seven days. That's that's what I had planned. If you don't just just about the time you telling people I well, I'm leaving tomorrow. You're not going to be here on Saturday. AW, man! That's the big day. We're having a special. I I know it took my third trip to go to. Seaplane base. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah! Quarter tore the tour of the museum. which you know, you wouldn't run into unless you headed out there specifically to find things like that. So again. We've mentioned this in the past on the first day that twenty-first Wednesday, the twenty first of July we're going to have another zoom set up for airplane, Geeks, listeners, and friends and so forth. so the the link in the password and everything will be posted in our slack team, but if you're if you're not part of that, just send an email to the Geeks at airplane. GEEKS DOT COM and I don't know put zoom in the subject line, and when it's scheduled will will just send you an email with the credentials to to get in and enjoying the phone. All right creative ways to remove masks USA Today has a an article airline. Passengers find creative ways in quotes to remove masks in this is what an American Airlines pilot is saying and rabbi guests well as we know, the the airlines domestic airlines anyway. The US hairlines all have policies requiring masks to be worn, but you know not. Everybody's doing that all the time well. They have policies that I'm trying to remember the exact wording. Maybe it is required I know a lot of them are still saying encouraged but the point is is that there's no rule to back up the the cabin crew or even the flight crew. If they say hey, kid, put your mask on. I mean they can only do so. Much of the airlines are promising that they're going to penalize people that don't wear them by perhaps keeping them off the next flight. But if you're in the middle of a flight right now, and your neighbor decides. This is the time they don't WanNa. Wear it. This probably not a whole lot that the the flight crew's going to be able to do. And I was just thinking. This is not mask related. All I can say is for people out there when you go flying, never disobey an order from a flight crew member. You are risking being thrown off the airplane. I mean the the the rules and laws. Regulations are very clear I. Believe it's a federal law. You can't disobey a direct order from a flight crew. So. People think they have rights to do whatever they want. You can sit here and argue with them. No actually you're. GonNa lose. Because Yup and that's like what is it? What's the catch-all regulation Max that it gets pilots, careless and reckless operation. Right, but I mean for Again. Dragnet here we have the dragnet of the pilot community. Did you hear the rags specked? Yes. Exactly, that's why I. Remember that one dot thirteenth. It's the one where they can't get you on something else they'd get on. There is a there is a regulation that says you will not interfere with a member of the flight crew now. Again I. Mean I think it's? It remains to be seen whether somebody's going to test it. I already know somebody in our local airport. That said I'm not wearing a well all right. I'll wear the stupid mask the game, but what I do when I get on an airliner is I cut a hole in it 'cause I can't breathe with that paper Mascot I said okay, be a break. You can't breathe. I said what a WIMP I mean. Surgeons have been dying for hundreds of years with. Do Surgery Right? THOSE ASK! I shouldn't have to wear a mask if I. don't want to your right, you shouldn't, but unfortunately it's not all about you. Yes, it is. Okay well, it's another one of those arguments that in an election year you just want to shake your head and say oh God please all right. In all fairness I I'd like to give some good news on this topic. The Museum I the Museum I. Oh, I run! Were required by law. Pennsylvania State Law, now that you have to wear a mask. And I was really surprised. It was her first weekend open and everyone showed up wearing masks. Everybody was. In agreement there were no fights. They were social distancing. So and I was waiting for the argument. Had talked myself into how Megan. De Escalate. Someone comes in insisting on wanting to go through the museum without wearing a mask. Being frontline personnel I'm the one that's got to say it. But surprisingly. You know. Maybe it's my part of the country, but everybody was cooperative polite. Understood that when we took their name in their phone, number or email address that the reason we were doing it was so that should something happen? We contact trace them. So I have hoped that maybe the message is getting out there that you know. We have a vocal minority of these people who are making scenes because they won't wear them, but I like to think that the majority of people are. Understand the importance of the masks, and how and are following through and. If you don't like it. Just suck it up because they're all of us. Don't like it. We don't. We're not doing it because we like it. You know I mean but. I really like to think that you know. Maybe the message is getting out there and the people who are against it are in the minority, not the majority. Yeah I. It kind of depends on on where you are David. I know that in the western part of your state where I've been spending a lot of time lately. No one's wearing a mask. Really some in some retail. Stores that require it you see masks, but you know outside of that in public areas people are. People are not, but I think it was launch pad who who made the point that there's a similarity here with people making? Phone calls on mobile phones on flights and how the airlines. Know airline really wanted to take it upon themselves to ban that they were always hoping for a band to take place at the federal level in that. There's hope by the airlines that. This would be taken care of wearing masks. That is at the at the federal level, but they haven't. the the US Department of Transportation published a forty four page runway to recovery. Plan. And that was just run. Run away to recovery. Got It runway to? and the subtitle is the United. States framework for airlines and airports to mitigate the public health risks of Corona virus. And when you take a look at that. Its recommendations there there are eleven measures to prevent the spread of covid nineteen in promote healthy travel and again these are directed at airlines and airports, and and this is kind of the sum total of it. educate and communicate with passengers and employees. Okay, that's good. Require appropriate face coverings. Promote, social, distancing to the extent, possible enhanced cleaning and disinfection procedures conduct health assessments for passengers and employees collect passenger contact information for public health response purposes like David. You're doing it the the museum there. Protect employees and separate passengers and crew. Minimize in-person, inter-action touch points and shared objects, documents and surfaces. Report daily. Status of public health risk mitigation efforts among stakeholders in hance airport, security, checkpoint operations and utilize government technology programs, but that's guidance. It's not a requirement in so the the airlines are in that tough position of you know having to enforce face covering requirements for that they've established for passengers, but it's really really difficult to do that. Have you guys seen what the The busiest airport in the United States is is in it fairbanks. No I don't think so. What is what is it? Steph W. we talked last week about how united, airlines was putting a lot of capacity out there and apparently The FAA said Yep. It's now the busiest airport because of all those flights, and also I think because the airlines are moving back more toward the the hub and spoke of the theory is a way to try and serve as many towns possible. And in fact, to chief executive of DFW Sean Donohue. said that he said whatever the new normal. It's going to be more and more around self service. So of course American Airlines. DFW's big hub for them. And, so they had some changes that they're looking to roll out by the end of this month. July self check in for luggage. Things like touch Louis restrooms. Thanh use has one of the biggest complaints airports receiver rooms. And they plan to have you know the hands-free sinks and. And touch Louis flushing toilets paper towel dispensers all of that. and. They even say that they're going to be equipped with sensors, so that workers can be alerted when supplies are low, so I guess we have paper, towels, or running out or or whatever the? Dispenser is the the Touch Louis Soap Dispenser I. Guess They'll know. It's interesting. A lot of one of the things that come through on our museum recommendations from. The National Museum Associations is to pull out. Air Dryers. From from the bathrooms and go back to using paper towels, really I thought the hair dryers were more sanitary. No, they're blowing their blow. They're allowing it the aerosol, the water droplets and stuff, so you know it's interesting how technology has advanced, and we're having to go back to other things, but yeah, they're saying air dryers. Are you know and and the worst defenders happen to be the dyson? Ones where you move your hands up down here the blade all that's right. They're the worst defenders over the old. Just blow straight down kind of thing and the other part about it is you have to touch it. You know to the start them so. Paper towels. Wave list paper towel. Machine is. Official than it is than a touch, less air air dryer, so it's everything's a learning curve. I I. Don't know what else to say. It's just every time you think of something. Then you think of some other repercussion so. I think American. Airlines next. They're going to replace the airplanes and go back to horses. THAT'LL BE THE SOLUTION! Good good separation there. Is the problem. One thing leads to another, but yeah dfw was also looking at. Using ultraviolet light sanitation technology to kill to kill, germs. We Reuters is reporting that they've. Deployed electrostatic photographers, and they've actually hired hit team, one hundred and fifty people they go through the terminals, physically sanitizing high touch areas so. Lots of changes you know every you know. That's the thing when. When something is disruptive in a big way in that can happen in a lot of different ways, but some good some not so good. you know there's a period of Oh, my gosh, what are we going to do? HOW ARE WE GONNA? Do you know how are we going to survive? How are things going to be the same or or normal with this big change going on? And you know people are pretty clever in this is not the minimize. The effects of the pandemic I mean got over one hundred thirty thousand people have died in the United States alone. But. People are resilient. Companies are resilient. They figure out ways to you know to to react. and I I think we'll see more and more examples of that here with this virus. I just wish he'd stop calling it normal in any way shape or form because I if this is going to become normal I I'm just trying to imagine based just on what you what you said about the how the ramifications kind of filter out into the world how this entire industry is going to change. In ways that we. We can't even probably conceive of yet. Yeah! Yeah, well. We're going to be also kinds of new opportunities for people to do new and clever things I was just thinking as you were talking about the the cleaning squads going through the airport it. Maybe this'll bring back the The ghostbusters team you know. Backpacks. I could just see them. Russia the Rambutan in out and. Attack I. I mean Mid Day through my cycle. I went I went through with sanitizer and claws, and I literally wiped down all of the touchable services at the museum. You know we don't now most of the stuff that used to be interactive. Things are blocked off for till few JR, but we do have some things where you know, but. But you gotta remember to do things like the bathroom doors in the Sink Faucet. It's you know people don't realize that the the faucets. Are Usually touched when your hands are dirty. Not necessarily you know so there are surface that gets infected so. It forces you to be very deliberate. In think things through in the more you do it, the more you realize. Okay. I have to think about that now. How do you know the the irony? is you guys know how tall I am? They bought me a glass Plexiglas Shield for my desk. For with a slot so The the irony is it comes up to my nose if I stand up. So. That's one of those things it's like we screwed up on that I'm like well. Yeah, you'd be new work. He didn't have meet a measure six foot four, but. For everybody, it's a learning curve you and especially in the service industries. You know like I meant. Maybe in the museum industry, but it's still a service industry. And reacting and acting with the general public. It's not A. New Normal, but you have to normalize. New Behaviors INTERESTING WAY TO PUT IT yes down! In some I think very short term. Which I think and hope won't be necessary long-term. That's the thing you know people I've said this before. People tend to look at how it is today and think Oh my God. It's going to be that way forever. And how are we going to deal with that and I'm not sure it is, but you know to bring it back to the to the aviation industry in the airlines. You know an example of that was. Airlines many of them, saying okay, we'RE NOT GONNA book Middle Seats. And that's going to help. Provide some separation in the cabin. but we. We see that American and united. Have have gone back on that and now they have resumed booking middle seats. Yup and you're likely to find fairly full airplanes these days in back in April. They still had all their airplanes flying, so the planes were virtually empty now they've crowded so many of them that planes are starting to look fairly full again, but there was a fascinating study that came out from Mit. which they were trying to determine, what's the effective of blocking middle seats, versus not in terms of your roof of catching coronavirus and I had no idea what my risk of kitchen corona virus was an airline but they've gone through the the math, and they say that right now with a full flight. It's about one in seven thousand of contracting corona virus. If you block the middle seats than it's about a one in fourteen thousand chance, then, if you factor in mortality and you know, take one percent that may not be the right number, but who knows you know now you're looking at You know one in what you know Seven hundred thousand chance for example of death by corona virus on an airline, the you know, the risk of death in an airplane normally is in the millions. So this is easily. Ten X greater chance that you're going to die via covert on airline flight than you're GonNa die from a plane crash but anyway it was just kinda interesting to see that somebody's taking the time to to put some numbers on all this well and I think I. I saw something yesterday that southwest put out on their social media feed about being one of the ones that are not going to. Sell the middle seat. it personally I. OF COURSE I, I've always had A. Soft spot for South West I, like I like the airplanes the service. They're easy to work with. you know it's. It's it's just an airline I. Like and I think people are GonNa Remember this that South West went out of its way to say that we value our our customers over prophets right now and I realized the airlines have lost a hell of a lot of money but I. I just think in this chaotic situation. We're in now. An airline that is. Being forward about that you know especially when you look at United United Response was well. The the keeping the middle seat opens a PR strategy. It has nothing to do with. Keeping you safe from the virus well. Okay, come on, what would we expect them to say? What happened to we're going to be honest with people. I don't think anybody believes that American and united are. Being honest with customers, but let's look back years of Oh. Guess what United did now or or American or whatever I, but again it's people. See what they wanna see in the what they wanna hear I think. What's happened because we had talked about this only a few weeks ago, and I had commented that heave without You know with with mill seats open. You're still awfully close to the person in front of you and the person in back of you but I. Guess What this does is it reduces the yeah, the the density of People breathing out virus in your area so. Every little bit helps I mean I. Guess All of this is just a matter of degree is to You know what different measures help and different ways. All right well to move onto a slightly different topic. Flake global is reporting that American Airlines pilots are reviewing Boeing's latest Max training draft. the seven three seven Max Boeing. His apparently issued some documents some pilot training documents. How the Allied Pilots Association the APA of course represents American Airlines pilots has a copy, and they say that it is incredibly more thorough than previous drafts. They are generally pleased with it, but the APA does have some concerns. As Communications, Committee Chair, ten teachers says We're in the middle of our review of it. We are not final on anything right now. We are very positive that there is a lot more information in this draft than we have seen before. So Taylor says that this draft from Boeing includes ten documents runs two hundred pages. And also notes that. Well. The updated checklist in says that both pilots both the captain and the first officer might need to turn the trim wheel at the same time. Or it says one pilot may need to use both hands to turn the wheel and one of AP as concerns. Is that the the draft Boeing's training draft doesn't address. Another method of getting the manual wheel to turn the they call it. The unloading the elevator tactic said that involves easing back on the control column, and that can alleviate forces so that the manual wheel can be turned. So it's. I mean it's interesting that this is out of course, the FAA has to approve the training document, but I think it's a a really good idea that Boeing is circulating. This for input from pilots are crossing their. T.'s and dotting their. Is this time around as well? He should remember when we thought that the Boeing, seven three seven Max story was the big story. Of of the decade or or something and And of course, I've forgotten how many! Seven, three seven, Max Orders Boeing has lost a considerable amount, not not so many though that they're not going to launch the airplane, but it. It just pales in comparison. To the interest of most people they're going. Yeah whatever? So but whoever thought it would take this long. Let's see it's been gone a year. And four months I when March April almost five months. And And of course it's still not absolutely finished. It's not certified. It's that's. That's another interesting story. Well, there was a story out that set. American may be in the process of trying to renegotiate their 737 Max order with Boeing so it sounds like there was someone else so I think. Who did announce a cancellation though I don't recall who that was. There was a leasing firm over in Ireland that had a bunch of them. Ordered I can't do. What was it called APE. Avalon I think I think it was something like Alan. But they cancelled a bunch of Max orders. But still. Boeing has so many problems on its hands. And you know really I did not to mention that people don't want much of any Boeing. Airplanes nor Airbus's to be honest. Well, and there's just not a lot of people interested in traveling right now. They're so that's that's big problem, too, of course. Remember when you know earlier on with 737 Max there was the issue of. Should pilots receive Flight Sim time as part of the training for this and at the time Boeing was saying you know not needed not necessary, but apparently this this new document that's out. does include several hours of Flight Sim time it, also, of course, this is a draft, but it also calls for an hour and a half of self study two hours about two hours of ground based training than several hours in the in the simulator and in the simulator, pilots would experience and angle of attack indicator failure shortly after takeoff. This of course. is to. Show how the cast. Now wouldn't fire off as opposed to what happened in the earlier crashes. You don't what's sad to is one thing we're forgetting is the is the dynamics of the especially the second crash leur with the. Airplane because it's been a while since I studied it, but I I don't believe they ever got much higher than about six or seven hundred feet off the ground. And the Rock, I grant you realize they did not pull the throttles back. I forgot they were doing three hundred dots or something like that. To people that don't fly at that altitude. Everything outside the windows would have been a blur. and. They. Unfortunately didn't do the right thing, but it's easy to say well no. Max May need your help on the with the term will in cases but man when it happened a couple of hundred feet off the ground. I don't know the best pilot probably. Pull themselves out of that well. There's a lot of people that have died in multi engine training at that altitude. Our you know those kinds of scenarios. Yeah, a lot of flight instructors will. Figure that's a great time to to pull one engine on a multi engine aircraft. Hopefully they're doing it by pulling back. Throttle the ones who do it by killing. The mixture you know should should be. Should be banned I. Think because you might not be able to restart that that engine again, but yeah, when you're below five hundred feet. There's just not much time when things go bad, so yeah, you really wish that you'd like to have lots of altitude when you when you have problems because it gives you a lot more time to them. All right well as we mentioned previously, the certification flights for the three seven Max are completed now. The Joint Operations Valuation Board. has to Finish an assessment of the the new pilot training, and of course that's composed of that board is composed of both pilots. representatives from the FAA and regulators from other countries after that assessment is. Completed the FAA flight? Standardization Board publishes the the actual training requirements. Is for timing and all this well. Boeing says it expects the certification for the Max to occur. In time to allow deliveries to restart in the third quarter, so there's there's the last year. Twelve months ago. Yeah, yeah, right around the corner. It is right around the corner so I guess the only indication we have. Is that the the Aba the Allied Pilots Association, who is the only by the only union to to comment on it, although we understand, it's not the only group of pilots, her or or your union to receive a draft of this, but they're the only ones that have commented on it and again while they said they you know they had a few issues. They didn't completely crap all over it and you know a discounted entirely so I guess in a way that's kind of encouraging. Can you say crap all over it? On a family show you know as as is. The curve was coming out. Before the APP made. That thought ran through my head. You know I I think. We can get away with that all right all right. It's amazing. What cove is doing to us isn't yeah. We're losing our high standards. That's right, you mean. We had standards. One airline that's been showing pretty good standards, or at least compassion lately is Spirit Airlines and IMACS, T you. You bring us a a good news. Good Aviation News story for the week I can. Go ahead! It's great. When I found this story I just felt good. It's fun to read something ago. Wow, this is really great. We should have started the show with us. Still I know this discount all of the depressing parts. About forty five minutes. That's been our whole strategy with his show. We take our audience. We dragged them down to the lowest possible depth, and then just when you think bad, could this be we bring? Anyway, so this is a story about Spirit Airlines, which came to the aid of one of their passengers, a family that was with them on a flight from San Juan Philadelphia back on June thirtieth, and during the that flight their four year old daughter had a medical emergency, and so the flight was forced to divert to province, jealous in Turks and Caicos Islands, so she could get him medical care, and you might think okay. That's pretty good thing to do, and once she's taking care of what could. Could be the problem that's out. There were a number of problems first of all. There were hardly any flights coming out of their for reasons that we have just talked about The airline by the way helped a little bit by helping them find a place where they could stay on the island and then let's see what was the other kicker Yeah, basically that was the documentation didn't because they were were traveling. From San Juan to Philadelphia and didn't don't need any kind of. documents passporting like that exact so now they're in Turks and Caicos. They don't have they don't have the paperwork leave now. I can't get out of here now that I'm feeling better. Yep, so that was that was the next problem. Well, so you're you kind of wonder. How do these people get out of this jam? Well, you did what any kind airline with do. Spirit Airlines sent an empty airline to rope provencal to pick them up and bring them back in this empty pill to Puerto Rico. So I was just stunned that the airline went out of their way to to go ahead and send a plane specifically to get them, but that's that's really stepping up and taking care of your customers. It really is really and the girl. The four year old girl by the way is fine. And there's a cute picture over here on the story as well. She sitting here on the seat and next to her. It looks like her father. She's got a little miniature spirit airliner on the seat rest between them and by the way I. Just noticed I looked at that seat rest. What does that seat rest? Tell you where they were seated in the airplane. Social Distanced O. They were first class. Oh. That's those are. No spirit had first class Apparently, they do I still can't believe they. They ran an Airbus. All the way over there to get those people and I it was a wonderful thing tonight. Be a bit cynical. No. No this is our do. CYNICISM WELL NO! Rob's ROB's comment about. It didn't hurt having aircrews flying airplane to a place and back I mean they needed to have the time in the air and the airframe needed to have time in the air so it. You know it wasn't. There's there there was. There was some advantages to them doing it not to mention. Its I mean of course, every airline wants to be part of a good news story on the airplane. GEEKS. We know that they all aspire to be that. But but. That being said I mean there were some benefits they could get out of it, also Boo David Boo David awake. Phone is ringing. Hang on a second blow. It's United Airlines of Yes. Oh, you WANNA know more about how to be on the good news story. Now. I'm actually the Rodriguez family calling hey! You can't. You can't talk about it that way so. I gotta go toy. Talking about family I talked about the airline. Here's what the girl's mother said. The girl's mother said. I have no words to describe how thankful I am to the airline and the people of the island who were so good to us. We left all of our luggage on a flight to Philadelphia and didn't have anything on us to spend the night, so they quickly help us find a place to stay close and food to food for us. The airline was so great to us, and we are so thankful. I think I'm I'm still. I just love this story I do. I do too besides the fact that they were flying. Don't think yourself deeper David. Also. We should mention that the the American Red Cross also. Assisted in this there were. A number party said really stepped up, but I think for Spirit Airlines that this was a a big. Up Plus gave us an opportunity to pick on David Pinot. I know I know. How often do we get that chance? Not Too often every Monday night. What's up with the GEEKS, rob? What have you got going on these days? Well, let's see. I had to ban Archie from the studio just before we started because. All he wanted to do was. Sit here and look at me and bark because I was supposed to take him for a walk so I just want you to know that my heart is with you guys even though he's my dog now. He's I I. Don't Know Rob See. He can bite and we can't. Yeah, boy, that's that's a fact, so he may You know. He may be not so happy about that. We for now for those who don't know who is Archie Max I who is Archie Rob Archie is a a one hundred and four pound. Rhodesian Ridgeback, which is a big hound and he really is a sweetheart. I mean, but he's just. So big and they told me that when we got him at the breeder and but I will tell you this anybody. My Age that gets a puppy deserves everything they get. I completely convinced of that It's been quite a year. But anyway and other things I'm headed out to tomorrow morning for some early flying. With some of the folks from Blackhawk Aerospace. We're going to test out. The upgraded king are three fifty that they're bringing up to Chicago for us to evaluate at. They hung some big motors on it, and they said it goes real fast, and it climbs real fast, and it takes much less runway, and so we're going to go kind of measure that often and see how it goes, but it should be fun. I haven't actually been flying much in a while I think. Maybe I did an hour about two weeks ago and I think that was the first time I'd been up in. A month, maybe a month and a half and it just. You feel so weird. It's just very very strange, but of course I will next week be. Out there checking out the virtual air venture I. Really WanNa, see how this whole thing comes down. I think I think so many people have put so much work into this and it's not just putting so much work, but they put in so much work in such a short period of time because I think. When did they cancel? Air Venture was April. I think it was early April maybe and I I grant you. They were probably thinking this might go south on us. And they were making some plans, but it really does not seem like it swung into action until after the cancellation, but it looks like it's going to be a quite a quite a big quite a big deal so i. hope people will tune in where they can yeah I'm really looking forward to it. I think it's And like you say there may be some bumps along the way because you know. How often have they done anything like this before? You know what would really give you the feel of Oshkosh Max. I just realized that the other guys can vouch for this if you could get a PORTA potty. Put outside your door. and and use it religiously even when it's hot or Rainy or God knows what else you will really have. The true is cash feeling. Maybe a win that comes through in blows. That PORTA potty over you while you're inside of it oh my. Lord help me. You haven't been Oshkosh unless you've experienced weather. Oh Man, every year and every year! There was always one. At least one unbelievable storm. for the first few years when I went I always had a story to tell, and the best one was the year that I didn't stick my tent down because. steaks and I had arrived. That was the first night I had caught in there and huge storm blew through, and I came back no tent I had to go searching and I'd ask people. Did you attend co by Oh yeah? We sought roll up over the top of that RV and continue over in that direction. I found it about a quarter of a mile away in a ditch. At night. talked searching with a flashlight looking for this thing. I remember the first time I camped up with my daughter, and my brother-in-law brought his kids, and they must have been. I think Abigail was the oldest maybe she was. Nine or ten, and and she was just loving it, and then when the storm came up in remote lightning is flashing of course, the whole tent up, and the rain is just beating down. She Goes Daddy I. WanNa go home, I said. Yeah, you know maybe I'd like to do, but it ain't. GonNa Happen Tonight they. Just hold on. My my worst one was the first year I was I was there I was out with mid Atlantic, Air Museum, and we were all out to dinner and there was eight of us. In a mini van, we went out. We were going out to dinner. And all of us. East coasters, right? What do we run into? It was the year that they had. The Tornados touched down in the area. Right and we're driving home for dinner back to the campus. Right and the alarms go off the tornado warnings to seek seek shelter. Find a ditch somewhere. We're going. What are we supposed to do? We don't get tornadoes backward. Come from. David I I saw you tweet. A milestone about a A! Newly minted fighter pilot I think is probably worth. Worth mentioning. Navy fighter pilot. I believe yes. The navy graduated their. FIRST AFRICAN AMERICAN STRIKE FIGHTER PILOT FEMA female. Strike Fighter pilot and see you know I'm trying to be. They graduated another pilot even though she was African American in a woman, but. Relations, so it's another step towards integration. That and the other interesting thing is I military. Goes was the air force today. Signed a regulation I know. Last week we talked about maternity, flight, suits and other. Things but today they. For, the first time you're allowed to have hyphens and or apostrophes in your name tags, you couldn't before you couldn't before was that some bizarre system issue you know couldn't couldn't take special characters or something still running dos to generate the. But now. Let's be when when name tags were created. We didn't really have I need for hyphens or apostrophes. There aren't many people who are white Anglo. Saxon Protestants at have hyphenated names. And so. We now have a lot of women who have hyphenated names that we have a lot of other ethnic people who part of their name is an apostrophe or hyphen. There's a lot of white men also have. A hyphenated names as well I know many so I mean that being said the air force has changed the regulation so I mean there's a lot of things that need changing and small steps in when you when you hear things like that, you sort of go okay I never thought of that, but I mean regulations have to change over time, so I mean the times are changing so i. it's not just the big issues like changing military base names here in the states, but it's some little things like having a height, your name being hyphenated and not being able to on your name tag have a hyphenated name you know. Now, that's allowed I. it sort of about time. Well, yeah! About time, but you don't think about it until you hear about it, so I mean. There's I have a feeling that there's going to. It's going to start snowballing and there's GonNa be a lot of things that are lot of little changes that. Have Privilege. You wouldn't think of and you go. Oh, okay, But. I get it. You know I I spent many years in my life, knowing that my last name wasn't going to fit on a sheet of paper. You know I, so I mean I never had that prom I sort of well. No flight is only five letters it out. But you know you think of these things and it's sort of it's like Max you and I struggling with unmanned every week now weeden. We're all taking steps to try to improve the universe. What are you going to call it? People as well I mean report remotely piloted is probably the best one, but it's tough, you know unmanned is at this point grain in the system, but it really isn't appropriate. In, no person doesn't sound right. But Maxon I are trying not to you know for a while there. We tried not to use the word drone, but now drone is more acceptable than than unmanned, and for all of those listeners think I'm being politically correct I'm sorry, but I'm going to do the best. I can to be more appreciative of those people in our industry and I always thankful that we do have an industry that embraces diversity, but we still have a long way to go. Yeah, yeah. All right Max. Trescott, it's your turn anything. Exciting going on with you. I put up of video two days ago, which has gotten tremendous response. I took podcast. We did last week and that was interview with Catherine Caviar. WHO's a? PhD Who is a spin expert and I thought rather than just in audio form. Why not make it available so that people could actually see all of the videos that she was talking about? She's a remarkable lady who? Teaches math out in Tennessee, and she's done a number of videos in which put little tufts of yarn on her airplanes, so you can actually see. Where the errors smooth, and where it disrupts during various types of skidding turns and spins, and so on. She's also done something I thought was rather clever, which was to add some cones on the end of strings it were at the end of her wingtips, and she could then show you the wing vortices and how they start, deshea craft is accelerating down the runway and increase. Get larger aircraft to take off so they're probably I would guess lease seven or eight different videos that. I was able to stick into this video to illustrate the the podcast something anyway. Just WanNa. Let folks know if they want to check that out. A lot of great comments OUGHTA. People said that they learned a lot from it. just go out to youtube search for aviation news talk and probably will be the first. First video that pops up on my channel. It's called how to recover from a Spin Catherine. COVID narrow, but it goes into a lot more than that only so much. You can put into a title. Just pick the you know the sexiest topic of the money that we talked the part I like we're the the videos that she found from the was a guy out and wasn't Kirschner. Videos the the smoke across the. Airfoil and you could see how the air changed. And and then it sped up over the top, and it wasn't ready. Wasn't magic. It really does that is when we tell you that it does. It really does look there it goes. And how it broke up, when the angle of attack was too high and I just I really enjoyed it I really did. I just wish we could have focused more on her though because. You know know. Nothing personal and everything I just said about US trying to be politically. What does the window and there's a guy over Ireland sake unless they don't have him back on the show very often anymore. That would be Scotland I. Guess What? You'd be absolutely correct Anyway, but now I like it, I mean it. It it. Just record. You're not editing or or doing anything with that then right? Yeah I'm just basically taking up the podcast audio and then adding a lot of video to it. The second time I've done this the one I did a couple of weeks before was with the Mike. Gooley in the rebel areas racer, and it's just to me. Kind of a fun way to add another dimension to the podcast is especially ones where people are talking about videos well. Hey, let's you know. Show them the video, so sure I. Encourage anybody. Just go out there. you know, subscribe on the channel and that we will get notified anytime I. Put up a new video like that. Yeah, and we'll have the the video web link in the show notes it airplane Geeks, Dot Com you can. you can also find it that way, but we want to thank you for listening to our little podcast here. there's always finds it. Airplane GEEKS DOT COM show notes for this episode at airplane geeks Dot Com slash six one two. If you want to send us an email, we're at the GEEKS at airplane geeks. Dot Com. All right. And what do we find more, Max Trescott. Oh the usual places just got aviation news talk, DOT, com, click on contact at the top. Shoot me an email, or if you'd like to record something for the show, just click on listener question, and you can record anything whether it's a listener, question or something else by going on that link in David Vanderhoek. Where do we find you? You can find me on twitter. facebook linked in You can find me on our slack. Listener team, and you do that by Sending an email to the Keith's at airplane Geeks, cut com, and of course if you're interested in joining our OSHKOSH party at not at Oshkosh. You can do that also by sending us an email to geeks at airplane geeks. Dot, com, and last, but not least you can find me on Friday mornings with that Guy Max flight talking about. Unmanned Aerial. I mean drones. On the Digest Dot, com. He good. In Rob Mark How about you? Well? Same old places a jet wind dot. com of course was Scott Spangler and. Within the pages of Flying Magazine, not me specifically, but just things that I've said although I have to admit we redid the magazine. This is the first month the for people. It may have looked at it and thought it was a little different It's completely redesigned and inside of it. There's actually a picture of. Well. It's about time. Yeah, and so I. Did you make that a condition of your continued contributions to the publication? I don't think I put it quite that way. So, it was nice. Nice to see them add pictures of everybody that contributes to the magazine now. Did they make a mistake you said? Did. They mean mom is at what they had a picture of mom. What? What's this moisture me me me? Of, course it's called me all me because let's face it. It is all about me, Missio you have a picture with like you and maybe archie sitting in your lap or Well. I gave them a couple of photos and they went now. Now that would not gonNA work. 'cause I actually said say, can I? Can I do with art? Should me and because one of our columnists did Karl. has a dog, and Rocco is really a sweet dog and he flies with them and. He wanted to picture with a neighbor going to let him do it and I said no, no, no wait a minute if he gets to do it then I. Get to do it and they said it's fair. No, you don't. Know. Rob Beyond as they said they would be perfectly happy to have a picture. Of Archie, yeah well. Okay, that is true. That is true, which goes back to those comments. You made a little bit earlier. And why that fellow and in Ireland is probably correct. anyway. Did you know that there are forty seven different pubs in Ireland that? Have a direct feed of the airplane geeks every week. they play it during the evening for people listen to. You talking about I'm sorry. You You didn't know that that this is. This is if that isn't a load of Blarney I. Don't know what I. would. It would sound cool. You know anyway, but that's all right. By the way I heard from Julie the reason they didn't let you do that photo. Word the breeders wouldn't tell which one was archie. You. That's a very good point. I hadn't thought of it quite that way. It would be cruel to archie. Dear Archie one with straight hair. Well, that's true and he has no gray hair. But anyway well. This has been fun guys I enjoyed it I'm glad we got to do this again. You can find me on twitter. Occasionally at Max flight, you can find me on linked in the UNLV DIGEST DOT COM packs ex podcast dot com in on our slack team. So please join us again next week as we talk aviation on the airplane Geeks podcast. By everybody. Keep the blue side up ninety night. And thanks for listening.

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The 'home stretch' for Boeing to get the 737 MAX flying again

"At Gatwick airport just outside of London today a conference begins that could put Boeing seven thirty-seven Max on the runway for takeoff. Soon, air safety regulators from around the world are meeting to decide what needs to be done for the Max to fly again and KYW's caroline. Adolf. Joins US this morning for an update. Thanks for your time Caroline. Is a pleasure Angela. So tell us about this who's GonNa be at this conference. Well, it's nine day conference and marks the start of the home stretch for Boeing Brazil's going to be there. So we'll Canada which was the first to conduct test flights on the modified Max Canada hosted the European Aviation Agency last week for test flights at Vancouver, and now the Europeans are coming to get wick to, and of course, the Federal Aviation Administration won't be there and they'll be in London because those texts flights went okay and now they're ready for the next stage. Of recertifying the plane defy. So reminders US why these agencies from outside of the United States of a role in determining whether the Max camp fly again. Well, normally all of these agencies would have deferred to the FAA they expect the US Aviation Safety Agency to watch out for safety problems on any plane that's produced and designed in the US. But the scandal over the Max stretched even to the FAA you'll remember Angela the public learned that the regulator relied very heavily on. Boeing insiders to tell them the plane was saved. So the two crashes trust in the FAA was about as damaged as trust in Boeing and these foreign agencies said, they would couldn't we're going to have to make their own verifications and they have new importance because they are the independent of years they go to the flyers they're protecting to make sure that Boeing gets it right. This time the FAA's also fighting to regain its reputation and the head of the agency Steve Dickson. Has said from the beginning the he's going to fly the plane himself before the agency lifts the grounding, and now that's actually part of the official plan. No Right. So now that the agency seems satisfied with test flights, what's next? Well, now they have to review Boeing's training plan for pilots who fly the Max in the past if a pilot is flown, one, seven thirty-seven, they've flown them all and early on Boeing maintained that that would be true for the Max as well. They said no one needed special training or time in a simulator. You only needed proper training fast forward a year and a half and Boeing is saying a simulator sounds like a good idea and now this meeting at Gatwick will help decide what needs to happen inside that simulator and what else is needed and pilots are being involved in the discussion they used to complain that. Boeing and kept him in the dark about the way that the Max worked and now the Allied Pilots Association says it got a two hundred page packet from Boeing full of information about the Max's systems including new procedure checklist, and they will also be at the table in Gatwick. All right. So I guess the last question is, when can the so to speak on grounding happened? So, if I answered that question I, mean at this point would anybody believe it journalists have been reporting on grounding of the Max for more than here? You know forever, there's a rumor that says it's imminent as the FAA has said from the start it happens when it happens, we've heard a lot about all the order cancellations for the Max is the plane still really important for Boeing right now. Well, it's important to us here in the puget sound economy because it's nine thousand solid industrial jobs in. Renton. And our economy has gone from glittering to teetering. So jobs are important especially jobs of this quality. It's also important to hundreds of supplier companies and here's how you can tell that it's still very important to the future of commercial flight even though Boeing has lost eight hundred orders for the Max, there are still thirty five, hundred firm orders on the books. Wow. Even despite the pandemic and the two crashes despite everything a world wants to fly and the Max is one of the ways people will be doing that all right Carolyn Adolf has covered the Max crisis for k. o w since it started back in March of two thousand nineteen. Thank you very much. Thank you.

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FAA Officials To Meet With Airlines And Pilots To Discuss Boeing 737 Max

NPR's Business Story of the Day

03:27 min | 1 year ago

FAA Officials To Meet With Airlines And Pilots To Discuss Boeing 737 Max

"Support for this podcast and the following message. Come from CFA society, Washington DC, you've worked hard to grow your wealth. Make sure you're working with a wealth manager who has grown with you work with a CF HR holder. Learn more at the right question dot org. Here in Washington today. The Federal Aviation Administration is going to meet with airlines and pilots to talk about the troubled Boeing, seven thirty seven max airplanes, the planes are still grounded worldwide after crashes in Indonesia and THEO Pia killed almost three hundred and fifty people as NPR's Russell Lewis reports these talks come as Boeing says it's close to finishing a software update. The may allow the jets to start flying again when the seven thirty seven max entered service in twenty seventeen it had a new safety feature. The plane would sense if it was close to entering an era dynamic stall enforced the jets nose down. But it would do it without any commands from the pilots. That software called 'em Cass played a part in the two accidents. Dennis tater flies, the seven thirty seven for American Airlines and his spokesman of the Allied Pilots Association. We believe it was manageable. But you had to know what was going on. But we're learning more since the the opionion crash about just how. How aggressive this system was pilots of both doomed airplanes struggled to pull up before. Crashing in a simulated flight of a different version of the seven thirty seven a crew demonstrates how difficult it is to control an aircraft when it wants to fly pitched down. Three hundred bucks. Now binding. Struggling to keep this aircraft flying. The pilots in this simulation. Wrestle the plane for several minutes before they eventually gained control. Boeing says it has reprogrammed software on the seven thirty seven max to prevent it from using eroneous dated a trigger the M S anti stall system. Here's CEO Dennis Muilenburg speaking yesterday, we're taking a comprehensive disciplined approach and taking the time to make sure that we get it right Mullen. Berg says the company's test pilots have flown ninety six flights with this. Updated software and more are scheduled in the next few weeks yet, we know we can always be better. And these recent accidents have intensified our commitment to continuous improvement as we design build and support the safest airplanes in the sky that may be a long process near Jane teaches mechanical engineering at Purdue University. She's not involved with a software redesign, but says Boeing's challenges it needs to re engineer it systems. So pilots can have confidence and trust in the plains automation. We have to do a better and better job of than figuring out how to design those systems in a new way. So that they don't just technically correct things. But that they are also for lack of better word than being transparent to the human. And that's a piece that I think this is certainly a strong signal that there's a lot more that we have to do the FAA's meeting today is with executives and pilots of the three US airlines that fly the seven thirty seven max southwest United and American the agency says it wants to hear their concerns before it decides. When to return the max to service, Russell Lewis NPR news.

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Dallas Morning News 9/22/20

The Dallas Morning News

05:22 min | 2 months ago

Dallas Morning News 9/22/20

"Good Morning. It's Tuesday. September twenty second I'm Mary Hildebrandt and here are the top stories from the Dallas Morning News brought to you by lucky charms magical mission at a little fun to your family's morning and join lucky the Leprechaun interactive adventure through eight magical charm lands to restore magic available on your smart speaker. Just say open lucky charms, magical mission or search for it wherever you listen to podcasts expect some light rain early this morning along with a cloudy and rainy. Today's high is sixty nine. It'll be cloudy tonight with off and on showers past midnight the low is sixty to our top story is plans for a bullet train from Dallas to Houston have cleared to federal regulatory hurdles allowing Texas Central Railroad to move closer to construction Texas central said that the Federal Railroad Administration has finalized too key regulatory processes for the project one establishing safety requirements and another completing an environmental review process. The company said in a news release that. It's ready to build and will proceed to construction as soon as possible but an attorney who represents the Texans against high speed rail group said that Texas central is nowhere near beginning construction plans for the high speed rail have faced opposition for years with opponents arguing that the private company would abuse eminent domain to develop the route. A spokeswoman for Texas Central said, the company expects that construction will begin in the first half of next year and that it doesn't anticipate delays. From opponents of the railway in sports for the vast majority of the Stanley Cup Playoffs The Dallas, stars have been the lovable underdog exceeding expectations at every turn in the western conference semifinals. They were considerable underdogs against the Colorado Avalanche. One of the favorites to win the Stanley Cup last round in the western conference final, they played second fiddle to the top seated Golden Knights of Las Vegas a justifiably popular pick to hoist Lord Stanley's Cup and last week as Stanley? Cup. Final play began the eastern conference champion Tampa Bay lightning ninety, two regular season points number one seed in the east were the clear betting favorite over the stars eighty two regular season points number three seed in the West. But for the first time at any point in the one, thousand, nine, hundred, twenty, twenty, season the preseason during the regular season or in the middle of the playoffs, the stars can officially be looked at as the favorites go to Dallas. News Dot Com? To See an animated look at how the stars odds implied percentages to win the Stanley. Cup have changed I e grown every day since the season restarted courtesy of odds checker in Cova News Democrats are pressing Governor Greg Abbott to spell out what Texas will do with billions in federal corona virus aid citing budget cuts by state agencies and pressing financial means of public schools, local government, and social services programs. Some are also accusing Abbott and other state GOP leaders of hoarding. Federal Covid nineteen money to make state budget writing easier an Abbot spokesman though insisted, he's being fiscally responsible and keeping key lawmakers informed yesterday Austin Democratic Representative Donna Howard, a senior member of the house. Appropriations Committee urged to share his plans for spending about five point seven, billion dollars of the more than twelve point eight billion that Texas stood to gain from the cares act that Congress passed in March of the larger some eleven point two billion is federal money flowing through. A newly created corona virus relief. Fund for State and local governments federal officials will recoup any dollars that aren't spent by December thirtieth Howard warned noting it's still unclear how Abbott spend five point six, billion dollars of that money and finally American Airlines has slated pilots to start computer training on the grounded. Boeing. Seven thirty-seven Max in late October even though federal regulators have given no indication for win the plane could be approved to fly the Fort Worth based airline has scheduled. Distance, learning courses to be ready in late October and stimulator training four November. December, and January that's according to a memo viewed by the Dallas Morning News the memo said the training will begin in November twenty twenty and we expect to have completed training for all be seven, thirty, seven pilots by the end of January twenty, twenty, one, the Boeing seven thirty-seven Max has been grounded since March twenty nineteen after crashes in Indonesia and Ethiopia killed three, hundred, forty, six people and. Major questions about the safety culture at every level of Boeing, airplane design process the training includes a one hour and forty minute distance learning module a simulator training with a one hour briefing and two hours of simulator time. The memo said we plan to train approximately seventeen hundred pilots in November with the balanced occurring in December and January the Allied Pilots Association, which represents American Airlines pilots said, it's concerned. The carrier is rushing to get the plane ready to fly before the Federal Aviation Administration has approved that or new training procedures for the jets. The Dallas Morning News rewards program is proud to bring you virtual events for more information and upcoming events. Please visit rewards, Stott Dallas, news dot, com for more on these stories and for the latest breaking news visit Dallas News Dot com thanks, and enjoy your day.

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Boeings 737 MAX faces key hurdle at European safety meeting

KUOW Newsroom

00:00 sec | 2 months ago

Boeings 737 MAX faces key hurdle at European safety meeting

"At Gatwick airport just outside of London today, a conference begins that could put Boeing seven thirty-seven Max on the runway for takeoff. Soon, air safety regulators from around the world are meeting to decide what needs to be done for the Max to fly again and KYW's Caroline Adolf joins us this morning for an update. Thanks for your time Caroline. Is, a pleasure Angela. So tell us about this who's going to be at this conference. Well, it's nine day conference and marks the start of the home stretch for Boeing Brazil's going to be there. So we'll Canada which was the first to conduct test flights on the modified Max Canada hosted the European Aviation Agency last week for test flights at Vancouver and now the Europeans are coming to get wick to, and of course, the Federal Aviation. Administration won't be there and they'll be in London because those texts flights went okay and now they're ready for the next stage of recertifying the plane defy. So reminders US why these agencies from outside of the United States of a role in determining whether the Max. camp. Fly Again, well, normally all of these agencies would have deferred to the FAA, they expect the US, aviation, Safety Agency to watch out for safety problems on any plane that's produced and designed in the US but the scandal over the Max stretched to the FAA you'll remember Angela, the public learned that the regulator relied very heavily on Boeing insiders to tell them the plane was saved. So the two crashes trust in the FAA was about as damaged as trust in Boeing and these foreign agencies said, they would couldn't we're going to have to make their own verifications and they have new importance because they are the independent of. The Oh it to the flyers they're protecting to make sure that Boeing gets it right this time the FAA's fighting to regain its reputation and the head of the agency Steve Dickson has said from the beginning the he's going to fly the plane himself before the agency lifts the grounding, and now that's actually part of the official plan. No Right. So now that the agency seems satisfied with test flights, what's next well, now they have to review Boeing's training plan for pilots who fly the Max in the past if a pilot is flown one, seven, thirty-seven, they've flown them all and early on Boeing maintained that that would be true for the Max as well. They said no one needed special training or time in a simulator. You only needed proper training fast forward a year and a half and Boeing is saying a simulator sounds like a good idea and now this meeting at Gatwick will help decide what needs to happen inside that simulator and what else is needed and pilots are being involved in the discussion they used to complain that. Boeing and kept him in the dark about the way that the Max worked and now the allied pilots. Association. Says it got a two hundred page packet from Boeing full of information about the Max's systems including new procedure checklist, and they will also be at the table in Gatwick. All right. So I guess the last question is, when can the so to speak on grounding happened? So if I answered that question I mean at this point would anybody believe it journalists have been reporting on grounding of the Max for more than here? You know forever, there's a rumor that says it's imminent as the FAA has said from the start it happens when it happens, we've heard a lot about all the order cancellations for the Max is the plane still really important for Boeing right now. Well it's important to us here in the puget sound economy because it's nine thousand solid industrial jobs in Renton. And our economy has gone from glittering to teetering. So jobs are important especially jobs of this quality. It's also important to hundreds of supplier companies, and here's how you can tell that it's still very important to the future of commercial flight even though Boeing has lost eight hundred orders for the Max, there are still thirty five, hundred firm orders on the books. Wow. Even despite the pandemic and the two crashes despite everything a world wants to fly and the Max is one of the ways people will be doing that. All Right Carolyn Adolf has covered the Max crisis for k. o w since it started back in March of two thousand nineteen. Thank you very much. Thank you.

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How To Regain Passenger Confidence In Flying

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00:00 sec | 4 months ago

How To Regain Passenger Confidence In Flying

"You're listening to the check. Six podcast brought to you by editors from across the aviation week. Network listeners now have access to special subscription office, including thirty percent off. Week and space technology go to PODCASTS DOT. Aviation Week DOT COM to learn more. Hello, and welcome to this week's podcast. My name is against and I'm the executive editor commercial aviation at Aviation Week Network in Frankfurt in Germany with me on the from Washington Shawn. Broderick senior editor at transport and safety do carry a senior editor of jahics traffic management, and then gold seen our congressional reporter. WHO's also covering the airline Industry today we want to talk about. About covert nineteen again, and how to protect against an infection at airports, and inside of aircraft cabins, Amazon's have over the past few weeks begun to reinstate capacity across many markets, and as they do so they are reliant on travelers, being confident that it is safe to fly and survey released earlier this week highlighted the three top measures that would make travelers feel safer number. COVID screening at airports number two mandatory, wearing a face masks at the airport, but also inside the crust and number three social distancing onboard the. So let's start with you. Bill and the number two points in spite of the ongoing search infections in the US. The FAA is still not making mass monitor mandatory inside aircraft. What's on there, but I think. You mentioned the I of study and I found that interesting. There was a survey of eleven. Different countries and just kind of A. Status pile passengers. Traveling on airlines and what we've seen as a consequence of passengers has actually diminished in the past couple of months so beckon. April was a sixteen one percent positive. That they would be willing to travel on airlines. Of the pandemic subsiding number has decreased. Five percents Bolster my. In the United States. Right now the pandemic prevention measures are pretty widespread in different across the industry, because the government is not. Pursing hells guidelines that are issued by the Centers for disease, control and Prevention in the United, states. That's that has caused some consternation on the the Airline Pilots Association, which has been arguing for most now that the CDC guidelines should be in stores. That's not to say that the airlines themselves aren't taking responsible measures to protect passengers such as. Asking them requiring them to wear A. Mask to social distance some of the. Steps, we've all heard about. different airlines in the United States. Enforcement Foreign policy here and so. I I see that as A. Word again the. Study demonstrates that passenger. Is. Decreasing not. Despite various steps that. That industry has taken so far. So Bill. Why isn't it being reinforced? What's the political background to this? Arguably the. The trump administration in the United States is is is. Is Very much opposed to to new relations. To imposing regulations, which sees. Burns Sante Industry. It's held back. The Department of Transportation in the last week issued a comprehensive. Three! Of the runway to recovery that contains guidance to the airlines and airports. Stay could. Take to protect passengers, arriving for flights all very good. Advice, but unfortunately. Government has been reluctant to mandatory in the form of regulation so. Has reported extensively on the differences between the. Lines and now there's there's. Some dates some concern over. Who? Will Bring, and who does not federal mandate would ensure that everybody does ed or takes proper. Precautions! Yeah okay so we'll talk. A little bit, but let's just stick to the mass for a moment and Ben. You've you've? Airlines have been doing. Some. People that complied with their instructions. Federal would be shopper sort. Wouldn't it here? Bill said. You know the airlines were basically on their own. I started enforcing. This rule goes. You know early on during the Pandemic Day enacted of Ontario policy to require masks, but that was largely criticized as being toothless, because it wasn't really being enforced, got a lot of bad press coverage because of that fact. The emphasizing de Escalation and the point was if you haven't been unruly passenger. Rather than make a big scene try and moving around in the aircraft, because the cabins were mostly empty, anyway during the early stages the pandemic, however, now road factors really picking up in in they're getting into the sixty percent range, and a lot of cases or higher than some carriers, and it has become more of an incident more of a problem, so we have airlines, America, which represents most of the major carriers seventy exemptions of of feeding. Airline for America and their member carriers have committed to enforce. The Mass, mandate! Doing is is basically they're not gonNA divert an airplane. There's an unruly passenger who decides to not comply with the rule inflate, but they will issue a. In many cases for future travel on that. Now indefinitely. For the duration of the pandemic until they. Decide that that's no longer a a risk, but we've seen it happen. There have been some high profile incidents. At a few airlines that have generated a lot of press and you know it's it it it is a problem, and and with you know in the absence of a federal mandate. The airlines are doing the best they can on this to you know Detroit in enforce this rule without creating kinds of. A backlash or problematic incidents for that. Lead to bad press coverage, so let's let's talk about the middle seat issue now for women on the airlines have a point when they say they afford to leave the middle seat empty. It's just. Reality. You Sit. There goes to people you don't know. And the AM might not make it to the famous filters before you breathe are indeed infected. So what's your position about that? And what do we know what we don't know about the risk? Social. Distancing on the airplanes is is. One layer of many layers that clearly doesn't hurt when you're trying to prevent the spread of the virus, it's similar to wearing masks. The science behind asks isn't if you wear a mask, you will prevent the spread and prevent the ingestion of the virus. The science certainly is though that. If you wear a mask, you will help lower the risk of both transmitting and pulling it multiple approaches like that is what. What is the is the best approach that we can take you know around the world until we have something, absolute vaccine or treatments for the virus for problem with keeping middle seats open from the airline perspective is is completely economic. Does there's no I? Don't think anybody can argue that it would help. Having fewer potential infected people on the airplane is going to and more space between them is is certainly. Going to add a little bit of a layer. Masks so hurt the bottom line airline. Keeping those seats open does. Take a step back and you look at the big picture policies that at least in the US we've put in place me in restaurants businesses that have been limited to a certain percentage. There are businesses that can't open at all haven't been able to open at all salons and things like that, so we've taken an approach that says look. The economics have to secondary. There's no reason to to implement that for the airline business as well, but I think you'd have to have some sort of. Fiscal offset to help out all of these businesses, not just the airline. The labor unions have said look. You have all these people. We have all these airplanes. We have plenty of airplanes to fly until demand comes back where we need to start filling middle seats that could send a little bit of a different issue. That's more economic since sustainability. My position does it help. Yes, should airlines be mandated to do it? I don't think you could mandate the business to shoot itself in the foot for for an indeterminate amount of undetermined amount of time without having some sort of. Financial Mitigation on the back and help them out. I mean I think that that's crazy and it doesn't just apply the airlines, but. Then there's just been different approaches. Delta's committed to keeping MT for sometime. The middle seat and others has kind of backtracked. On, what's going on right now? Yeah, you know. Airlines are really taking different approaches on this question you have Delta and southwest, which are blocking middle seats through September thirtieth, and you have American and united, which are basically looking to full capacity, and then you had a jeopardy when Alaska which are. Through July thirtieth. Sean said it really comes down to You know economics and. The bottom line is is that social distance in an aircraft really is not possible. You're not going to get six feet, no matter what. It's financially unsustainable do. You Know Interestingly Airlines for America. They estimated that up. Even one hundred percent load factor in the second quarter wouldn't have been enough for wants to break, even given their cash outflows and. Issuing, reforms for tickets sit in that, but you know. Let alone a sixty percent factor. Is Really not not sustainable. Delta figures. It can sort of. Differentiate itself as the premium brand. But you know the American with maybe a slightly. Worse balance-sheet Sheet. Might not, have. In the wherewithal. To do this? Much longer than it was limiting capacity, if stopped on July first interestingly. The APA, the allied. Pilots Association, which represents American Airlines pilots has proposed a plan. They own seats plan, which would see the federal government subsidize airlines to block off the middle seat, so the federal government would die out middle middle. Seek tickets. Through a certain certain day, you know there's a lot of logistical questions about how that would work. You know how much it would cost, and you know different characters. Have Gifford costs so different for a low cost carrier to block off season and it is. A full service carrier, but I know those are the kinds of has. At least one proposal has been kicked around, but yeah, you know I'm sure on, said you know he would help. Social Social Distance. Is Not really possible. It's about reassuring passengers for PR standpoint that that is safe to fly and making them comfortable, but maybe that's a luxury that you know maybe southwest Delta. Can Afford, but it might be the case that. Not every carrier in the industry is gonNA. Be Able to do this without some kind of assistance for much longer. So it seems for now that. Passes. Kind of have, too. Many make their own decisions where there's feel comfortable to fly under the circumstances. Or not, and it seems many choosing not. At least for the moment. Yet, let's well. I think it's very similar to how you have your operate in anything. You're doing at least in this country I mean a lot of it is coming down to personal choice, and are you comfortable with the the the mitigation measures were in some places. Lack there up. That have been put in place. I. Not Advocating that is certainly a. Prudent strategy, but it's the one that the United States has taken, so I don't know it makes sense to have it be the same when you're choosing whether to buy an airline ticket or not on a US carrier. Just wanted to add this. You know this crisis is driving innovation and technology and. As well and I think. You'RE GONNA see. The use of partitions. Of Types of materials that are being used the tunes. The lines are already doing electrostatic disinfects another cabins between Floyd's. How widespread at this point, ultra-violet Lights Disinfecting of seating. is in the. United States point. This technology does offer you know have somewhat of A. into these social distancing issues. To. Keeping the middle seal. Is economically viable. The airplanes but the the. In that van mentioned by the. Association, I find interesting that. The GonNa, be subsidized or support the first act legislation I think it's around computers or now you know. Some of the money for that. Purpose to buy up the middle seats of of the airlines. All. Just! Triple! Wrestling on fighting the. So, let's finally look at the screening at airports. I was raised in the in the. Survey? Numerous initiatives for testing, including here my home airport in Frankfurt where there's a capacity for three hundred people. Our and test results already after between two and four hours depending on how much money you pay! I get. If everyone tested negative before boarding that that would be reassuring to travel is and maybe even have to wear a monster board. It's you know that nobody has the virus, but frankly skeptical. This viable option you. You can attest so many people in a very short period of time, right? It'll make. Travel more expensive twos on these. Tests your cost. Cost around two hundred dollars. So, what's your take? All say. City cost asides the simple simple logistics of it, I think is. Easily illustrated in a couple of examples. I went and got a test done within the last week, and it was less than an hour from the time I showed up at the testing facility to the time I had Myers and it was. For the. Major League Baseball has tried to restart here in the United States and they have. One of the protocols is testing all the players before they started their. Summer camps as they're being called and call it. Teams could not get the tests and the timeframe that they needed, so they had to delay the start. This is the major league baseball shortage of money. Out, in places, like Arizona, and I think Texas I see. Shots on the news of wines that are hours and hours long. If people trying to do what I got done in less than an hour the other week. So if that's what it's like out. In the world in different parts of the country, and with a you know a major fiscal entity like major league baseball. I can't imagine that that we could get a testing protocol in place that would support even number of people that want to travel everyday. And I would just add one of the quickest. Measures. Temperatures Treaty but that's been shown that. Some high percentage of people. Presenting symptoms including fever temperature screening means. Useless. Even, with the subject to temperature screening, we've seen there's a lot of difficulty even getting that. Enacted in the United States in March. have been unable to do that in their frontier airlines. Airlines for America member. which is the only carrier on the US? That is taking temperatures? All the major carriers that are part of a for A. Their stance remains Nexia says should be administering these tests, but TSA You know says this is. This is not our job, not a public health agency, so you have this sort of jurisdictional dispute and I look at it. You know starting any. Towards temperature screening. Cove, and testing it seems like a long way from that here in the United States. It seems a lot. More work needs to be needs to be done here. So. I'm afraid we're running out of time already here. Great Discussion, Ben Sean and Bill Thank you very much. Thank you Kosta producer on a Thomas. Listening to this podcast and I hope you will join us again next week for another six six.

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Teslas Surge; Deals in 2020; Piloting the 737

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00:00 sec | 10 months ago

Teslas Surge; Deals in 2020; Piloting the 737

"At IBM problems inspire us to push the world forward. That's why so many people work with us on everything from city traffic to ocean plastic smart loves problems. Ibm Ibm let's put smart to work visit. IBM DOT COM slash smart to learn more bringing show musically. This is squawk doc pod the daily podcast brought to you by the team behind squawk box control to CNBC's essential morning show every day. Get the best stories. Debate and analysis from the biggest names in business and politics today on Squawk Todd Boeing's president and CEO is competent that the seven thirty seven. Max Act is safer than the safest airplane flying today. A spokesman for pilots and pilot himself is a little slower to come around. We like what we're seeing so far but I think his exuberance over that is a little premature Tesla's stock is soaring and CNBC's Philibeaux has a theory on. Why if you believe that we are inflection? Point point in terms of electric vehicles taking off aside from Tesla. Who would you play and spare me talk about? The competition is coming. Because it's not there. And the man behind eight of the ten biggest corporate deals twenty nine thousand nine mix a projection for mergers and acquisitions in the year ahead the CEO. Now Pelota the things you've been doing the last couple of years. That's the best kind of played out those stories. Plus how the world. CEOS are responding to the corona virus outbreak. I'm CNBC producer Cameron Kosta. It's Thursday January. Thirtieth squad begins right now in three one. Good Morning. Welcome squawk box here on CNBC. We're live from the Nasdaq market site citing Times Square. I'm becky quick along with Andrew. Ross Sorkin and Mike Santoli Joe is out today sick. As he has been the last several days we hope he's feeling better the first up on today's podcast around up of what global CEOS are telling. CNBC about the corona virus outbreak Kevin Johnson. CEO of starbucks. They were now managing a very dynamic situation in China related to the Corona Virus Lisa sue CEO of amd which is a US chipmaker with a the big business. Partnership in China the company produces microprocessors including the ones in the Sony and Microsoft Game Consoles. You probably have in your living room in our from our standpoint. One point You know we're taking Precautions in our facilities in China to make sure that that is You know well a well protected Jim. Fiddling the CEO L. of chemical giant. We've seen some demand pull from corona virus on things like cleaning materials disinfectants Like you would use in household cleaners non non woven for masks and wipes and those kinds of things Amazon also on edge. The company announced that it's restricting employee travel to and from I'm China until further notice and David Solomon CEO Goldman Sachs was on CNBC this week and voiced. His concerns were very focused on it. Because we have we have a couple couple thousand people you know right there in the region and we're obviously very concerned about those people about their families etc.. I think it's too early to say you know where this will go. We obviously have a a lot of people working from home and are restricting travel Like many companies but we're watching very closely and obviously concerned for our people aren't doing everything we can to help them. Protect after the Federal Reserve's two day policy meeting this week chairman. Jay Powell held a news conference during which he addressed the impact of the virus on the global economy Uncertainties about the outlook remain including those posed by noon corona virus. To very serious issue. There is likely to be some disruption activity in China and possibly Sibley globally based on the spread of the virus today in the travel restrictions and business closures that have already imposed of course the situation is is really in its early early stages and it's Marianne certain about how far will spread and what the macroeconomic effects will be in China the team asked Dan Suzuki Deputy Cio. Richard Bernstein advisors about the pressure. These concerns are putting on the markets. Dan You don't have any concerns about the by right now China. I mean just not knowing what we don't know in terms of this the price because the market's been close and we'll continue for a while Yeah why think that. Obviously there's a there's a level of uncertainty when it comes to something like this and no one knows and I don't claim to be immunologist epidemiologist which is why we're not trading on these things but even not knowing knowing what's going to happen with the infection at this point just looking at the massive lockdown of people the massive shutdown of factories of workplaces of anything else that happens there. China's is trying to do their best to contain this. Those containment of Measures are going to be very expensive in the short term before. We've never seen a lockdown of human life a-. Ah Yeah absolutely so in the near term. That's going away on a China and global GDP. It's going away on trade. It's GonNa win on Prophet so I think that's is going to be a big negative fire the day it opens. Or you're waiting. Listen we're we're we're actually owning China through the a lot of our business through the T.F. So the ATS are treating treating here in the US so you you've seen it show up in the they've been down and I think that that's a normal reaction to be expected but the question is you know when you got that down is that should you buy or. Should you sell that different. I think I I'd be tend to be more of a buyer giving you know everybody's focused on this without actually knowing the outcome and so a lot of that negativities price didn't and again named me name a widespread virus. I mean everybody looks at the SARS example. Look look at all these historical examples. When you know that hasn't been a buying opportunity for somewhere they'll have a longer time horizon? Yeah well you sometimes after pullback but A little deeper on. We'll see how that goes. Dan Thank you thank you. The Transportation Department will reportedly make some potentially dramatic claims regarding southwest airlines. This Gordon The Wall Street Journal you gotTa go read this story where this morning. A report out in the coming days will say that more than seventeen million passengers flew on southwest jets with unconfirmed maintenance records Wall Street Journal says it will also say that both wingtips jet were smashed when a flight tried to land gale force. Winds Wall Street Journal says the report is critical of the FAA's oversight of southwest southwest calling it lacks ineffective inconsistent. And I know for many road. Warriors out there and investors out there who think about these things It's a scary story. Carr's spokeswoman said that the company reviewed the draft on Tuesday and strongly disagrees with Thorpe calling unsubstantiated references to southwest safety culture. But it's obviously the question is is an issue that will get some more and also just tells you that there's oversight of just general safety approaches. Have all these airlines. Now in the more scrutiny. exaclty going after speaking of Boeing yesterday on the podcast. We brought you an interview with that company's CEO and President Dave County in its fourth quarter report Boeing revealed its first annual loss since nineteen ninety seven. That's over two decades and this is of course in the wake of the seven thirty seven Max. Crashes is that if captured attention travelers and of investors but even as costs from those crashes rise daycare reiterated in his conversation with US confidence innomax aircraft and it's returned to service. We believe the surplus safer than the safest airplane flying today. Every next airplane has to be that way it has to be that way for Boeing. It has to be wet for our competitors so What we call it trying to Relabel it trying to merchandise that no? This plane will recover with flying public when airplane pilots snap on it fly like it and by the way based on all all the test flights we've had to date which are which are many they do so as as all those pilots return so passengers one of those pilots Dennis Taylor. He's the spokesman for the Allied Pilots Association which represents fifteen thousand professional pilots who fly for American Airlines but maybe more relevant. He's he's piloted seven thirty sevens for over a decade. Here's Andrew who asked teacher about Kowloon's confidence in the seven thirty seven. Is this blamed safer than any other plane. The Sky now we'll be don't make an incremental measure on on whether an airplane is safer than another no matter the manufacturer of the aircraft model. It's either safe or it isn't an APP means the airplanes either GonNa go or it isn't so I do understand and appreciate the comments Mister. Calhoun about the dependency on pilots. It's we're the last line of defense for our passengers and we take that seriously So WE'RE GONNA go from there. But I do WANNA mention. He said that the pilots have experienced this aircraft. And do they like it. Yeah they do. Well we're going to reserve that comment We like what we're seeing so far. But I think is exuberance over. That is a little premature. We get all the information that TAB information to thirteen o to the joab which is happening as we speak going forward then will render our decision. That's how we operate and you know. When do you think you'll be able to come on our air and give us a real assessment then of the of this plane and how and how? You're you're probably what's your feeling about it. Well when we see it. And we've seen the training modules for the simulator the initial areas That Boeing wants to cover and we appreciate them coming in quick but We have a lot of questions about that as well to make sure that it's it's just not a drive by simulator session that it's full and robust we gotta run but Becky did push. Calhoun very well yesterday. They on this issue of automation. And you just mentioned it twenty years from now. Do you think they're gonNA be pilots in the plane to three just one. What do you it really happens? But the the the talk about automation Becky was right. The hose and a whole lot of clarity on that but the bottom line is automation is an additive Adib to the safety margin is not a replacement for pilot experience in training and was very concerned when Mr Calhoun brought up inexperienced pilots when talking about the system that is that is not something that that we're going to accept that was poorly designed and and it was the automation system that contributed to these crashes pilots not turning off the automation. That was the problem but it was the automation the began the problem. Yes ma'am okay. Dennis thank you for being with us this morning. Always get to see you and hope to see you again very soon. Tease will be next next on squawk off. Todd Tesla reported. Its fourth quarter financials this week sending the stock up even further and giving investors and Alon a reason to Damn Tesla analyst. Craig Irwin on. What's behind the excitement? What we have is fervent enthusiasm for the stopped and the fear of missing out? That's really what strategy things. We're back in a moment at IBM problems. Inspire us to push the world forward. That's why so many people work with us on everything from city traffic to ocean. Plastic smart loves loves problems. Ibm Let's put smart to work visit. IBM DOT com slash. SMART to learn more. This is squad pod with with Becky Quick Andrew. Ross Sorkin and Mike Santoli. Here's Andrew the gift that keeps on giving. I don't know what it gives a takes. It gives it takes right now. Giving giving its Tesla Tesla delivering a record number of vehicles in the fourth quarter and it expects to deliver a lot more and it's sending the stock to new highs extending. Its wild ride this month with with a gain of ready for this guy's when fifty percent the game is just as month this month alone the gains and make it more likely that he'll on. Musk unlocks that first stage of his moonshot pay package and earns hundreds of millions for keeping Tesla's market cap above one hundred billion dollars. Maybe a reason to dance. WanNa get to fill a bow. WHO's in Chicago? I'll go this morning with the latest on all of it fell. A Andrew Tesla had A. What many would call very good earnings for the fourth quarter? Far are better than expected. But it's the guidance for twenty twenty and the number of vehicles it expects to deliver that really juicy shares after hours if beat on the top and the bottom line by the wait beat by a fairly handling handy margin. You've got free cash flow of nine hundred and ten million basically double what most analysts were expecting twenty twenty twenty twenty deliveries up at least thirty nine percent because they are saying they're going to top five hundred thousand in vehicle deliveries in twenty twenty for a point of reference the company deliver or just over three hundred and sixty thousand vehicles. Last year most analysts had them in the range of four hundred sixty five thousand four hundred seventy five thousand in terms of how many vehicles they expected to deliver but again Tesla says it will deliver at least a half million of those and then the big point that they made on the conference call last night Elon. Musk saying thank. They are seeing extremely strong demand early demand for the model. Why we're not too worried about demand? We're worried about production Make sure we get that Russian garden and reach wine production as possible the model line by the way. The Tesla Model Y goes on sale later this year. They're already beginning. GimMe the production ramp out. At the Fremont California plant. They will begin next year with production in California or in China at the Shanghai plant and As you guys look out into the future and I know you're going to be talking with some analysts today you've got Berlin which is going to be there next gigafactory. They expect that to be up. I've been running by the end of two thousand twenty one so you've got a company here that is expanding. Rapidly Yuan must made it a point guys in the conference call to say repeatedly their big concern and right now getting the battery supply so they can meet the demand that they expect not only for the model y but obviously for the models three as they ramp up production in China. I feel Thanks stick around for more on earnings. That's bringing Krieger when he was senior. Research analyst at Roth capital has a cell rating and a brand new price target on the stock of three hundred hundred and fifty dollars. Craig morning see morning so four months ago at the start of the quarter that was just reported for Tesla. The stock was at two forty. We're going to open open today at six forty seems to me you can say they had a good quarter better than expected. Good Guidance and still say why are we trading at six forty and they came in close to the range for the guide for For Twenty nineteen right so what we have is fervent enthusiasm for the stock and the fear of missing out. That's really what it is. Is it retail investors that driving this or there or is it. The institutions of this comment from Ulan Moscow effectively said. Hey is the retail. The retail investor is smarter smarter than the institutional investing. I do think that a lot of retail investors actually have a deeper and more accurate insights than many of the the the big institutional investors. And that's what made better. I'd been many analysts so right now. Some of the some of the very large hedge funds are are playing this momentum play. They're obviously using their knowledge of mechanics and their ability to get a little bit of an edge there to to traded needed from momentum. So they're watching very carefully so just to add to what Phil said. I think one of the key things that made the stock Behavior really well. After market was the pull forward of the model y Model was originally expected to be in production at the end of twenty twenty then last year they started talking about it summertime now. We have production in January. So you you know that provides pretty good visibility for higher units this year. That's why we cranked our target. That's why we crank the restaurants. Why a fifty percent run? What's happening? Is that shorts getting washed out as somebody else stepping in is. Is it a brand new look at what's happened with. How do you make sense of so first off? It was China right. So last summer we upgraded the stock for China. Sadly the grade it later but There's some really really bullish sentiment out there as far as the China facility. People know that you know the key marquee European landbranch make all their money in China And you know the volume of luxury vehicle. Sales in China is fantastic. They're more millionaires. And on a dollar basis in China there are in the US so the market could actually end up being really fantastic but the reality is the market in China is is a very very different character better than what we have in the US. I mean we. Have you know the you know. They're valid cars for that market but people are people are taking pieces of that Extrapolating America to China. And I don't think that really works so that was the first part of the big run then from there. There's just been a lot of pylon and you know you look at their list of the the portfolio projects right. Now they got the new roadster got Shanghai. They got the truck The semi I mean model y. What am I missing? I mean they have a tremendous this portfolio and you know people are getting excited about multiple things everything in that portfolio to To be running it up here becky. Thank you interject here I. I'll tell you one reason why I think the stocks moving higher Craig talked about this fear of missing out if you believe that we are inflection point in terms of electric vehicles taking off. Who would you play right now? Aside from Tesla who would you play and spare me. The talk about the competition is coming because it's not there it just it is not there it may be there at some point but Tesla right now dominates this market. It has become Kleenex to the electric vehicle market. And if you believe that weird inflection point you wanna be in Tesla. That's a big reason. Why so many people have moved into this stock right now? That's a good point fail but it also could meet is that there's all the enthusiasm hasn't for the entire industry is running through one stock kind of like for plant based meat is going to be on meet even though it's one small company that's your letter percent right about that. So there I mean there. There are other ways to play the market right now. A lot of them tend to be small cap at a very good mid-cap to play electric vehicles. CREE is is the material supplier to everybody. Making Silicon Carbide Moskowitz. Silicon Carbide Moskowitz. Allowed US a smaller battery have a better range more efficient vehicle. Tesla's their their their our primary customer navy's now but everybody's going to be using. Silicon Carbide Moskowitz is going to be using material from cree or one of the secondary competitors or they could use Moskowitz directly from cree all right secondary plays but not as much maybe of the fan appeal as Tesla Moscow. Craig Phil thanks very much. The next on squawk pod the global head of mergers and acquisitions for Morgan Stanley on dealmaking in two thousand twenty. Why or do I think you're going to be fewer deals? I actually take a lot of its regulatory. We'll be right back. Welcome back to Squawk Pot. Good Morning Mike Squawk box right here on CNBC. I'm Andrew Ross. Sorkin along with Becky quick and Mike Santoli was hanging out with us in for Joe Kernan today so dealmaking worldwide hit nearly four trillion dollars in two thousand nineteen. That's the good news. According to but so far this year it has been crickets like nothing out. There have been very quiet quiet. We've yet to hear about any real major deals that have driven this excitement on Wall Street and joining us right now. Talk about what is actually happening here. Whether it's all going to pick up what's is going on behind. The scenes is the one and only Robert Candler vice-chairman global head of at Morgan. Stanley resident comedian organ. Stanley was the lead adviser. On several of last year's biggest deals including Bristol Myers Squibb acquisition of Cell Gene United Texts merged with Raytheon and so many others. So what gives well. It's good to be here so it takes you. Two thousand nine hundred was a very good year by circle standards. Absolutely you also have to remember that that when we were sitting here last last year we were in the middle of government shutdown just come off of December which is a big market break. And there's a lot of volatility so it's actually pretty much of the miracle that it ended up being as good as it was just given all the volatility uncertainty I actually think that this year we're not going to see a lot of large deals. I I think there'll be plenty of activity because you really need to do and I'm sure you will in the in the conference in Davos that. CEO Confidence Confidence is high. And all that. But that's what we usually do deal right and using the worst time. Well I certainly the case. There were times and deals. Were done for the wrong reasons and overconfident. No question about it but but if you're a CEO right now and you're looking at what. Your trajectory is a lot of the things you've been doing. The last couple years like increasing margins by cost-cutting that's kind of played out and and even stock repurchases investors really would rather you be investing for growth rather than just returning money so I think it's an important tool so why are due. I think you're going to be fewer deals. I actually I think a lot of its regulatory. I think that the scrutiny that large deals gets is just something that. CEO's I'm talking about twenty billion dollar. I just I in fact for the for the large tech companies. They're probably shut out of doing any small deals but I used to think they would have struggled. Struggle do small deals but then you saw facebook for example. Bought a company called Control control absolutely no but it was about a half a billion billion dollar transaction one of these these these things that go on your risk that it's going to be able to control your mind. Nobody a shocking technology and closed almost like within a couple of weeks. Nobody said nobody said sleep with. That's the thing it's small deals if you look at a large company but I would've thought that even a big company going after a small company I think it's going to be a unique technology. People would say I don't know. Do we want that to happen better. I think it's an issue for companies like Microsoft. Who's obviously doing just fine? But they have done large acquisitions like Lincoln and other things. Obviously they're doing doing great with Alex desertions. But it's going to be a little bit harder. I think for those kind of companies to do deals now. Obviously Apple has done. Many deals Amazon has done many years but facebook and Microsoft hat. So you don't think there's a dynamic where it says. Well look we at least know what. The regulatory terrain is right now. What the political backdrop is? Let's let's try to get something in before the election. Maybe there's going to be something new coming you know. I actually would have thought that. But we've ended up with a very populist administration now now and and it's also very unpredictable now. Yeah so deals are being blocked under Sylvia's they'll basically say. I don't care that you are a doughnut. uh-huh company you have a warehouse within a mile of a military insulation. We're going to look at that. And that makes you know Chinese deals very hard to do so. I actually concerns that that rise for large or is it I don't know the whim of whatever regulator administrators there is it Populism and what do all of those things but I think it's populism and it's very unpredictable. You end up having the administration challenge the Time Warner. At and T.. Deal which is a vertical merger and not challenge Disney Fox which is horizontal and in fact they just came out with vertical merger guidelines. So I actually think that that while I would have you. Michael would have predicted that. In fact people don't think it matters who gets elected because they think that this President Gordon is is unpredictable and certain ways but very populous just click method on the program and he made a provocative prediction. If you will he said look look. At and T.. Over the next I think his his time period was three to five years so overcome sooner or not will ultimately decide that the time Warner transaction was the right decision and would divest that even made it even more provocative idea which is and maybe they tried to merge that with NBC universal which is owned by comcast and the comcast would ultimately spin this business off as part of some kind of larger transaction. What do you think is going on especially given what's happening in media and that's been your well you know? The media original originally started career. You know I it's interesting. We go through these waves right. So Time Warner spun off Time Warner cable because of course us it makes no sense to have content together with distribution and the very next year comcast boy universal right because of course you need to have what it really is. The case is that The comcast universal deal may says because they're both good businesses and they're run very well right. There's no synergies between. At and T.. And and Time Warner it was a better cash flow generative businesses to support the dividend. I think that's entirely possible in by the way in. No one ever looks back media deals. But there's been a lot of difficult media deals look at Sinclair with our S. N. and look at Discovery with scripts tips and Meredith with time water. I mean the list and obviously. At and T. with direct TV The list. The list is quite long rob. It's great to see you coming back with have loved conversation. That's the show for today. Thanks for listening on a run tomorrow. 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Life, Travel, & Security After a Pandemic

"Every day at Invesco we bring together ideas with technology data with inspiration and investors with solutions. Let's invest in greater possibilities together. Find out more at INVESCO DOT COM slash together invesco Distributors Inc. This is qualified. I'm CNBC Pretty Circadian Kramer Today on our podcast. A record drop in retail sales as Americans cut spending on non essentials. So gas is cheap. But you got nowhere to go life after a pandemic CNBC. Beijing Bureau Chief Eunice. Yoon on what our future could be right now. We have like registeration of ide- temperature checks the health code travel itinerary. That's generated on your mobile phone. That creates a barcode and flying after Kobe clear. Ceo Karen Seidman. Becker on touch less travel technology. I see a day where we need. Significant amounts of data to health insights around cove it to create a safe travel environment and one pilot says he and his colleagues need concrete action from the FAA as well as the Department of Transportation. If Airlines are ever going to recover they're giving us a platform of Jello to stand firmly on. That's GONNA worse slogans. Don't work actual actions worth and it has to be concrete. It's Friday finally. How can you tell May Fifteenth Twenty Twenty squawk on begins right good morning everybody? Welcome to Squawk box here on CNBC. I'm becky quick along with Joe. Kernan Andrew Ross sorkin first up today on the PODCAST. Nobody's shopping retail spending plunged in April as the corona virus pandemic forced the American consumer home and out of restaurants stores even gas stations. The April retail sales drop of sixteen point. Four percent broke the record set just last month now. Online retail sales are up including a statistic. I think I have directly influenced PYJAMA sales up one hundred fifty percent last month but the American consumer is our backbone typically responsible for about seventy percent of our twenty one trillion dollar plus economy here. Cnbc senior economics reporter Steve. Liebmann people aren't buying stuff. I mean I hate to state the obvious but this is an obvious statement in bold relief. Here they're not buying cars down twelve percent. They're not buying furnishings and home furnishing items down fifty eight percent clothing and clothing accessories down. Seventy eight percent. I mean there's one positive here I think there is just one positive that positive is non store retailers up eight point four percent and besides some sort of strange up and down we had in December eighteen that is the largest one month increase in that is electronics. And that's where people are indeed buying things. Non Store Retailers Down Twenty nine percent and I want to just say a word here. You have gasoline gasoline station sales down twenty eight percent normally. That's a good thing where the decline in gas prices ends up being sort of like a tax cut for individuals except in this case because people aren't driving they aren't really getting that remained necessarily. They're not paying as much for gasoline and not going to work. But you're not getting the stimulus you might otherwise get from the decline of gas prices similar ideas here with the decline in Federal Reserve interest rates so the nation shutdown that shutdown showing up dramatically in these retail sales price sales report here. And we're just not seeing yet and he kind of evidence in the early. May data a bunch of a rebound Andrew Steven one thing though and I don't know if this promising or not you look you look at the numbers and you look at those numbers versus what the auto numbers were in China when this happened for example and it was much worse situation over there and so the question is why do you think that you know how do you. What's the distinction? I'm going to pass on that. I don't have any actual information on how the auto dealers at all are selling cars. These days. It was down thirty three percent in April down. Twenty five percent in February so it's down pretty substantially that it was better in China. Leave to fill the hell. He's going to explain that to us. Okay No China. We were talking about seventy eight percent down and so it just. It's just a fundamentally different picture and try to understand the distinction between our own marketed. The extent we've been looking at these other markets in the past. Try to to to understand what was going to happen here. Stay so gas is cheap but you got nowhere to go. There's To say there's a there's a great cruise leaving on Monday on Carnival in tickets are you can get a sweet beautiful new. What do you say none of these things work when when we're not doing anything they're they now? No I think the best sign of normalcy. Joe Is that you feel comfortable enough to joke around. I'm with you on that. I just never know what the right tone is. And you're right. There are a lot of bargains out there. But people are not necessarily GonNa take advantage of them. We have these pictures of people going out to restaurants but up. I looked J. P. Morgan Chase is putting out realtime credit card data. People are just really not spending because they're in their houses and and I don't know Becky's the best barometer of all Beca you ready to go to a restaurant I keep telling people you know when when they say they're gonNa be better than you think. Right I tell people who've looked let's make a bet and the bed is. I will buy you a steak dinner at a crowded restaurant if I'm wrong because that's what I really want to happen. But that's not what I'm seeing yet. The one thing I want to add to that though is we are all in a very different place than much of the country. I mean in New Jersey and Connecticut in Westchester and Times Square. I mean we're we're in the Hudson every single one of us and that's a different story than you might see in a lot of other places. Yes I recognize. That guy's Joe Joe that's going to say what the real pick? Which is that. I am looking at this data across the country and I'm not seeing it in certain pockets but I'm not seeing this wholesale. Get Out. I mean the picture. Show these people in these restaurants. Do you like well. What's going on there? I just not seeing the date. We are learning from China. What life after the pandemic may look like Eunice? Yoon was under lockdown bringing us critical reporting from Beijing from January through. May and I traveled outside the city earlier this week for a report from Shanghai. She joins us now to talk about the changes in daily life that we may soon be seeing in America and and units. I was following pretty closely a lot of stuff that you were tweeting just about how you got on the train and how they were taking people's temperatures what happened on the on the plane and I have to admit I'm watching all of this thinking okay. Is this what it's going to look like for us? What what what was the most shocking thing the most surprising thing? And maybe what made you feel most comforted? I think just the whole idea of getting out and then was a little bit. I was quite nervous about coming out just because we had been under lockdown here for four months but it did feel good to finally see something. New and traveling has changed. I mean as you had noted. The temperature checks authors thermal imaging When you walk into the airport or when you walk into the train station and then for the airport I ended up getting my temperature checked five times so I had to get my temperature checked when I walked in at the security gate and then again at the the right at the gate and on my wrist and then at the plane door on my forehead so there's a lot of screening that takes place also. Everybody has to wear a mask the only time when I was allowed to take my mask off was when the security asked to. Id Me and then. Also when I went through the metal detector so they WanNa make sure that there's nothing hidden underneath your mask then. Of course everybody has to wear so all the ground staff The airline staff. Everyone has at least a mask. Some people wear goggles protective shields of the people who are handling all the temperature screening all had full on has matt suits which you might think would be surprising but at this point now in China is not really shocking. At all what? What was interesting though to me was that there wasn't a whole lot of social distancing on the planes or the trains and because the Tickets now are all being sold so in the past the railways and the airport authorities were trying to limit the number of seats that would be sold to make sure that there would be like alternate seating in all the carts by that no longer is the case in the trains also. What was interesting. Was that if you do have a temperature. There is now an area where they want to quarantine you so you'd go in between the cars and stand there for the rest of your journey But then they would ask you if you could please leave a little bit earlier than your final destination because they want to make sure that there aren't any people who have fevers on the train and then finally also one of the thing that was interesting. That happened just today. I've been hearing a lot now. A from various factories and people working in companies that that the authorities here are talking about easing the travel entry ban for foreign executives so as you guys know the foreign executives including foreign residents have been banned from returning to China but now it looks as though those. The wheels are in motion to try to allow people to come in. There's been a lot of speculation that could happen after the National People's Congress which is next week sometime in June. But that as a foreign executive you would have to have a letter from your company. Vouching that you are a critical employees and in some cases having another letter that vouches that you are healthy. So that legally you are tied to that company and then secondly once you come in you would have to expect a fourteen day quarantine and so if you are foreign resident you would go to your home. And they're literally going to put police tape on your door to make sure that you do not come out. And if you are not a resident in China then you would be funneled to centralize quarantine or a government appointed hotel and that could not necessarily be a city like Beijing or Shanghai but more likely in Inner Mongolia or someplace else before you're allowed into one of the big cities and so there are a lot of changes that are taking place to try to make it a little bit easier for people who are coming from a lower countries that have a lower infection risk into into China who are seen as critical. But when I asked people do you think Americans will be allowed anytime soon. Most people don't think that is the case because of the infection risk a level in the United States. There's a lot of the things that you could you just described. I could see happening here. Things like temperature checks requiring people wear masks but the idea that anybody who flies into JFK From from some other country is going to be told that they have to self quarantine North Dakota or something. I don't see that happening in America. Maybe maybe they ask you to to stay in self quarantine. I don't even know that we would setup hotels and say okay you have to stay here at the JFK hotel or something for fourteen days. Those are things that I think. China has had a much easier time because it's authoritarian -tarian government with saying. You're going to do these things. I don't know that that translates here. Yeah and then also you have to pay for it yourself. You have to pay about one hundred and twenty dollars a day in order to for that that a government appointed hotel in Inner Mongolia. However the other thing though that I think is a big difference between the. Us and China is the government mandated health code and this travel itinerary. That's generated that. Generates a bar code from your mobile phone just because of privacy issues here in China. Everybody has to use them. And it's unclear exactly like woosh what data is collected whether or not you sink up to your medical records. All of this stuff is a big question. Mark here and I don't necessarily see that as something that a Americans will really accept. But it's something that's very prevalent here. I mean that's part of the basics right now we have like registration of ID. Temperature checks the Health Code. The travel the travel itinerary. That's generated On your mobile phone that creates code and then there's some things that in terms of where we are in China. That are something so watch. One is our sports venues. Here are now open. They require reservations. So if you want to go to a stadium or if you WanNa go someplace outdoors where you could go jogging. You have to register at so they want to limit the number of people who are there some contexts. Sports are still not allowed there. It's moved up a little bit where they said that you could play basketball for example. If you're outside you cannot play basketball indoors. You can play Ping Pong because that's social distanced from the Chinese perspective in Gyms Right now no. Swimming is allowed. No underground gyms but you can now have some cardio machines whereas before there was a lot of there were a serious limitation on the kind of exercises that you could do at the gym for restaurants here. Something specific for China. All the restaurants now are open but there but the authorities are encouraging people to use serving utensils and for people to eat with their own plates. And that's a cultural difference in China because in China most people share like eat everything family style with shared dish. And then finally what we're watching is the theaters because new guidelines just came out in Shanghai. That where we're anticipating pushed open the cinemas in June and one of the the requirements is that people will have to alternate seating. An alternate rows. So that doesn't necessarily mean there's GonNa be a lot of people watching movies but but hopefully hopefully they'll be open to some of the one thing that was kind of entertaining. Is that some people in the film. Industry said that there aren't any good movies right now in China to to screen so that could be another big issue to get people in UNICEF. Thank you for a look at what maybe to come here. It's great seeing and we will talk to you again soon. Next on Squawk pod airport like security in offices and stadiums clear. Ceo Karen Seidman. Becker offers a glimpse of the future. It's about attaching your identity related health insights for employers for employees for customers. Everybody wants to know that each other's safe to start to reopen businesses and get America moving. We'll be right back if you WANNA learn more about one of the fastest growing trends in investing we've got the podcast for you. It's ETF edge. I'm Bob Johnny joined the as I'm joined by hot market participants help you build your best portfolio at the end of each episode stick around for our markets one. Oh two segment where we round out the compensation to help you better understand. Etf's listen now and subscribe for exclusive content not heard on television. You want even more tweet us at. Etf EDGE CNBC. This is quad pod with Joe Kernan Becky Quick Andrew Ross Sorkin. Here's entered states. Are Looking to reopen. Many companies are looking for ways that they can monitor the health and safety of their employees. This week clear started rolling out its health pass which is a touch technology that tracks health insights for people looking to enter places of work and we want to welcome clear. Ceo Karen Seidman Becker to the program. It's good morning to you. Most people know clear by going to the airport. It was born after nine eleven. This is another crisis with a with a new component. That's being born. Explain what this product is in terms of how it's GonNa Work Relating to cove it so you're right. Clear was born out of nine eleven and it was about a public private partnership leveraging innovation to Enhance Homeland Security and delight customers and that was really the beginning of screening Onepointoh and just like screening was forever changed post nine eleven in post cove environment. You're GONNA see screening and public safety significantly shift but this time. It's beyond airports right. It's Ford Stadium. It's retail it's Office buildings it's restaurants and so will always started with travel at our core where biometrics secure identity platform where it's always been about attaching your identity to your boarding pass. The airport your ticket to get into Orange Stadium or your credit card to buy your and so now with the launch of your health pass. It's about attaching your identity to your cobaine related health insights from lawyers for customers. Everybody wants to know that each other safe to start to reopen businesses and get America moving just to clarify one point about this though. This is not a testing program though I imagine. Testing can be added to it but this is about people answering questionnaires about their own health. And so the question is how do you think about that in terms of creating a trusted environment absolutely? You're right this is not a testing platform. Just LIKE AIRPORT. Screenings a multilayered approach screening. Two Point Oh is a multi approach to buy down risk and increase confidence so it starts from a mobile APP perspective with facial connecting your face to your identity and the questionnaire you then bring that into the physical environment where it's about you your questionnaire and then temperature. It's also about linking just like we built those links to tickets it's about linking to loud companies and test data and this will continue to evolve with social distancing with mass. But it's about putting that whole picture together those many layers and ultimately the vaccines terms in terms of the cost of this to employers and also its relationship to the clear pass that people are used to using both now at airports but it also at stadiums are they connected. Is Your identity connected? Is that information shared? These are of course. Then we get into the privacy issues so privacy and data security is job one. A clear has been for ten years and it will continue to be right. We've built a brand that stands for trust which is why we think we're uniquely positioned here so we'll be retrofitting are pods at airports for that experience with temperature and be able to integrate it. But this is barry separate free for consumers and then we'll be partnering with enterprises just like we do with Delta and united at the transportation. Talk to great people whether it be Jimmer trying to open Las Vegas or Danny. Meyer's on the restaurant side or people in real estate like Scott Reckless. So you have such a united front here to bring for a solution real quick before we go. Do you see a day where we actually test. Every single person gets on an airplane. I think that's a great question I don't know that I'm the right person to answer that. I see a day where we need. Significant amounts of data to health insights around coded and potentially others. Right this is the beginning to create a safe travel environment. Karen everybody's trying. This is a really unique and interesting product and look forward to getting update on it as you progress. Thanks so much next on Swath pod. We're going from the airport. Terminals into the cockpits Boeing. Ceo is taking some heat from his peers and a spokesman for pilot says his industry deserves decisive action from the FAA to get this right will squander the billions of dollars of the money that is invested in the airlines if we don't you're listening disqualified here's Joe. Kernan damage control Boeing Dave. Calhoun is reportedly trying to smooth over relations with some of the major airlines. Ceo's after telling NBC. Some carriers may not survive the current crisis. Apocalyptic does actually accurately described the moment. I don't think that describes the recovery and I don't think it describes the medium or long term for the airline industry or aviation in general. Do you expect the airlines to be able to survive this? Do you think there might be a major? Us carrier that just has to go out of business we're on. I don't want to get a to predictive on that subject but yes most likely sources tell. Cnbc A high ranking executive at United in American airline CEO. Doug Parker complained about Kowloon's comments and you've got to be so careful whenever you're saying anything but if you say a major airline you know everybody gets mad. Any anyone even considered close to being major so you throw them all in as a possibility of losing it so you can see that. That might not be taken so great by. You're not a major carrier anymore. I wasn't talking about exactly but if you are you might be one of the ones. That doesn't survive. Sorry he's got his own issue. That's what I mean. I don't think he was necessarily trying to emphasize a negative. Because he's got game worried honestly. I was answering a question. He was specifically asked honestly. I'm sure he's not taking any satisfaction in making that point. Because he's got his own worries obviously. Don't we all as airline slash their schedule? Some flights are getting more crowded and now a lawmaker is getting involved Phyllis here. He's got the story on that Front Phil Good Morning Becky. The lawmaker representative Peter Defazio. He runs the House Transportation Committee when he talks airlines listened. Representative Defazio says all middle seats should be opened. The airlines should do that. He sent a letter to the airlines. Also wants to limit capacity to sixty seven percent in his letter that he sent yesterday. He writes who among the CEOS of the Air? Eighth four acres. That's airlines for America would want a member of their own family to be assigned to a middle seat between two potentially contagious passengers. In the middle of global pandemic at this point he is urging the airlines to keep that middle seat open. He has not yet said whether or not he would push for some type of legislation to require that as you take a look at the airline stocks and what you're seeing here is all of these stocks if they're not fifty two week lows there at multiyear lows so the airline stocks. Continue to see a lot of pressure here. Number people flying still remains very low down ninety three percent. Compared to the day a year ago the average planeload about seventeen passengers yesterday. Delta came out and said look we have more pilots than we need. Seven thousand more than we will need in the fall of this year. That's half of their total number of pilots. They have about fourteen thousand. They're retiring all of their triple seven planes so the airline is quickly airline and airline industry. They're quickly moving to cut their costs as quickly as possible as you take. A look at shares of Boeing. We should also point out the company yesterday. Appointed a thirty one year veteran of the company to spearhead health initiatives. So that they can work. With the airlines and policymakers to promote the fact that it is safe to fly and guys this is going to be an issue that is going to continue to percolate because the airlines are in a catch. Twenty two here in terms of flying promoting social distancing yet at the same time they're in the business of making every flight profitable if possible that question. How many would fly if someone was in the middle seat? How many would fly. Someone wasn't in the middle seat While it doesn't but from Joe from the perspective of the airline and I'm not saying this is right around with the perspective of the airline. You basically have said thirty three percent of your seats there. That's what I'm saying that you get the same answer. Just having the middle seat open doesn't doesn't all of a sudden make you feel any better with a member of your family going to fly fight Phil that's all. I'm saying that's not just because middle seats open and you're right Joe so I don't know what they're gonNa do and that's what we've talked about it. They had to look how they tried to control capacity so that all the planes were full the whole the only way they were making money with full plane so the whole business model doesn't work this way. Unless you triple prices wry wit and Joe if you were to true social distancing my producer Megan reader and I were working on this yesterday. Just take a seven three seven. You might get might get twenty two to twenty five people on a plane. If you did true social distancing one seat in between people who is not sixteen now you know what is it twenty inches twenty two inches. No that's what I mean. Okay let's let's speak to somebody who's WHO's on the front lines. Dennis Tasers Allied Pilots Association. Communications Committee spokesman in a pilot been flying in the last week and this week. So you know what's happening and what is. Tell us your perspective right Dennis Right now. We're at this pivot point where we thought we had mandates from our airlines for mask till distancing is just not. You can't get that one hundred percent on an airplane just like you pointed out with Phil Online. Is the mass protect each other? We'd protect each other massive respect. You're not going to propel any unknown a condition that you have onto somebody else. We're just floored that the DOT who the FAA works for has stated that safety and wellbeing of passengers and number one priority. Yet they bifurcated out and say we're not in charge of public health as captain of the aircraft when folks get on my airplane. I've got one goal in mind and protect them. I don't bifurcated. So we need mandates mandates for mass it's for cleaning and screening the DOT sector dot actually said. She hopes that airlines will clean the airplanes Like they should. This is not a time for hope this is a time for actual must do and mandate for we're not. GonNa be able to fill called it a catch twenty two. It's not I guess. It is a catch twenty two the unless you were triple prices. You can't. I don't even know if that would be far enough away. You'd have one person in a row. It seems like they're associated listing is not going to be possible it's gotta be cleanliness and mass was the only way that's going to instill confidence. This is about instilling confidence in in the traveling public that it's okay to fly. I've been out there. I've seen everybody's wearing their masks but just saw this week. Where Airlines head back away from their individual mandates of Mass on airplanes. Say to get on it. You have to have a mass but once you're on it if someone doesn't want to wear it there's nothing we can do about it that's where the Department of Transportation the FAA come in. It's it's time they're giving us a platform of Jello to stand firmly on. That's GONNA work. That's not how my cockpit works. It's not how my cabin works. We deserve some action and chairman. Defazio has been a champion and a lot of these Efforts it doesn't. It doesn't go to parties. The president wants this back up and running. So do we. We've got to do it responsibly. Slogans don't work actual actions work and it has to be concrete. We cannot rely on recommendations for recommendations. It's a circle of frustration for us in. Frankly it's reckless right. Will squander the billions of dollars of the Care Zach. Money that has been invested in airlines. If we don't do this With some concrete measures it's that simple. How are we going to deal with all the pilots that that aren't needed right now to fly to fly planes? What what are the discussions in in your in your group about that? Stand out an American Airlines. We worked early on with our management team. We now have fifty. Five hundred pilots take voluntary partial. Pay leaves serving cash flow and keeping pilots on reserve ready to roll when we get into this recovery and that extends through the summer. So we're we're taking meaning action. Working with our management team there are other airlines and Delta shocked the system by talking about the overage of pilots. We're handling it in a way that works in complies with the cares act now and in the intent in the future. And you know you had mentioned David. Calhoun a seal Boeing and what he said another shock wave out there. Well based on Boeing's assumptions on a particular craft. The Max Council would be just like other CEOS seal airline. I'll just say it bluntly say what you fly year jet and we'll fly ours by the way one of your jets is grounded. So we'll do our job you focus on yours and we'll get through this. We're going to say thank you to Dennis that Squawk pod for today and for another week. Thank you for listening. Squawk Fox is hosted by Joe. Kernan becky quick and Andrew. 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Ross sorkin first up on today's podcast impeachment and what it means for the markets a refresher the house rules committee meeting today to set the parameters for debate on on the House floor and the historic House vote on the articles of impeachment is expected tomorrow after that we turn to the Senate or fifty one senators must agree on the rules for trial aw. CNBC we're looking at the market reaction to all of this. Here's Joe Join us at a talk past impeachments pass impeachments have meant for markets in how can impact them today. Paul Cookie co-founder of Bespoke Investment Group Good Morning Morning. Thanks for having I was interesting Looking get some of your notes the hard to believe that the partisan divide actually is not at a record. It was hired during Bush to at forty five points up forty five percent. I think a lot of people on the left have forgotten how much they hated. W They believe totally recalibrated their hate trump. This is it's not. It's not a quantitative tape differences world's qualitatively different. It's even like w now they think is harmless. I mean yeah I mean Michelle Obama and Bush rush the football games. I know it's really and yet Michelle. Obama has to defend the fact that she's friends with the whole thing is trump. So we're talking about it earlier. This is the The most team constitutional the crisis I've ever seen at least in terms of the market futures. Dow's down seven points and it's up at its new high as of yesterday. Why Well I think to the words James Carville economy stupid. We look in seventy four when Nixon was impeached from Watergate till the time he resigned. The S&P was down down. Twenty five percent dropped another twenty five percent after he resigned but the US economy was in tatters. Oil is spiking and we had inflation rampant. So I think and then go to the late nineties with Clinton who the you know you look at the politicians. A lot of them are still there today. Who who is on one side of the aisle back back then is on the other side now and vice versa? The economy was doing very well and the market was up. Twenty eight percent from the time. The Lewinsky affair broke till the time Clinton was acquitted and that included the long. So there's people that say that the person sitting in the Oval Office has very little to do overall with the economy. You either have to think that or you'd have to think the trump really isn't getting that president. Trump is not getting that wounded at this point because we're not that far from a sanders or a warren or a Biden presidency. If that's GONNA happen in the economy is going to be fine under a sanders or under a warren. We'll see you look at the poll numbers From the day. Warren's poll numbers peaked was in early October from there the SNP has been going a lot higher. Healthcare has been straight higher since Warren's numbers peaked if you look if you do a chart of inverse Warren's numbers to the healthcare sector okay there right now it's more like Biden is what you're saying in Biden would be okay for the economy. Is that what you're saying. I think he would be the more tolerable than a warrant or sanders. But at the same time I think at this point if trump gets through all of this which is looking likely he will then he as wins the chances of being wins what he can win in twenty twenty even with with all these horrible because look the wacky deplorable Serrano. What's happening look on destroyed? Economy straight economic numbers. Nobody outside drawing this in a referendum on his character which is different. Not just that don't know Andrew it's really not because if you then you must take everything that that the Democrats are saying with a grain of salt in terms up being just a a really huge threat to democracy and to the constitution in an abusive our worst worst it affects most. Americans don't seem to be if they seem to be under that economy. You're you're making way too simplistic. If he is putting the the the national security security of the United States risk the way Schumer and the left are talking about it. Then it's not just character anymore. This is a really important and I can't believe you think there's it'll be a landslide. Then you must think most Americans are pretty sociopath if they don't care what this guy's doing I would argue that it's very short term thinking I do think that's true to the extent that you think that they're not looking down at the amount of traffic over electing this. Unfortunately I not not for. We're not making a comment on the election. What I'm making a comment on is that people aren't looking or if we need to look powerful same out of in their sixty three million are pretty to floor? I think if they just want to really be honest. They're pretty pretty deplorable. Commentary Birdie for who put what do you think I think I mean the average American when they vote is going to look at how they're standing is doing are they doing better or worse and trump has a lot of of character flaws that you can you can bring out but at the same time. We're in such a transparent environment right now. I mean are we saying that every politician before him was an angel. I I mean if you look at that. That's true too but I look at the way mainstream media on that front life is relative Andrew. Look at the way mainstream media is characterizing the the Republicans that won't throw trump under the bus will venture to these people are headed down this greasy. Shoot to live the rest of their days with Satan the Republicans that are not abandoning crump. According to the mainstream media they have no they have no backbone. They have no conscience and they're enabling right. Isn't that what you see. I see it but I'll say we're always found troubling about all of this on the beginning irrespective voice happening in Ukraine or anywhere else is that the Republicans historically least during the trump administration have been unwilling to criticize the president. Virtually any level for all of these things which are obvious character character related the characteristics are very obvious. Andrew obvious to anybody who's like half cent varies with the chargers of every previous president with almost except for Jimmy mccarter. Maybe all you have to do is look at Bill. Clinton and the impeachment that he faced. It'll be G I can go back. Grant was in a bag. You know the entire presidency tendency anyway. Can we at least acknowledge that these are crazy times. Yes yes crazy times but this is the most tranquil decade in US market history. We've never had less volatility in a decade. We have this just shows you the people that where we were coming why people talking after the plane crashes on another plane crash right and we were coming from the depth seventeen. You gotTA remember that too. We came after the second worse decade in USA S. and P.. Five hundred sixty six. Say thank you all right. Thanks for having me around this very time Wall Street. Banker anchors celebrate more than just the holidays it is bonus season next guest computes payouts in trends across the industry and found this year though. Won't bring as much cheer as in years. Pass when bringing. Mike McCarthy is co-founder of the options group. Good morning is this like a lump of coal in my stocking or is this just okay. It's it's not title lumper cold and it's I don't WanNa be the grinch either but last few years the compass shredded up and we've seen the revenues go down a bit so we see this year to be a plateau year in terms of compensation so speculation is that God this year is going to trend to the downturn in all different from products across the board if if I am a winner who is who is the big winner this year. What group do I have to be in if I'm in some unit or Wall Street Bank right now so fixed income? Tom Izzo winner. This year of Fixed Income Com has been trending down for the last three five years and this is the first time that we see their credit and mortgages with fixed income. We're going to do better than some other products of within fixed income like rates you know emerging markets FX. Is there any group that where it's going to be up me in fixed income credit and our good will be up and then I see it. Looks like the biggest loser might very well be anyone who's living in the equities world equities last fears. God went up so if you look at where we are in terms of revenues. And what's happened even though you see the stock market at all time highs into see the volume the wall there and Equities is taking a head this year. Because you know simply as much money wasn't made and look at what's happening in Europe and in Asia so it affected the global revenues for the Equity Division. Can we just structurally what's happening on Wall Street because it also feels and we haven't really talked about here is the commoditisation of so many of these different business. Units in terms of how some of these banks are approaching it some of the AI and machine learning other things that are being implemented. And what that's actually doing we to calm across the board so a lot of people talk about ai and machine learning but you know has it correlated into dodd yet still to be the scene but data science and as you know being implemented into banks and institutions massively loud hedge funds looking machine learning and seeing how the results would be. But you know it's very few that have figured it out in the ones that have figured it out of the winners. If I may rain making a banker how am I doing. This year superstars always find ways to get paid within institutions are. So if you're an anchor you should be all right but our surveys shows making a dependent on MD.. And I'm killing it this year. You could make two million dollars or more. I'm getting over ten ten attend. Those days are over. There might be a few people that Wade into those levels. But those days have sort of an what happens if I'm just an XL monkey honky. Then you can sit on a seed and be happy getting a paycheck. And how much am I getting from my for for staying up all night spreadsheet you get a base salary and base salaries honorees depend on titles on Wall Street so if you're an MD you getting a four hundred thousand dollars base salary for director. You're getting a two fifty base salary and if you under that you're getting about seventy five thousand thousands in base salaries and our speculation. Is that some of these areas. Some of the people that are gonNA sees us as well because the bonus pool is not that large hard time. JENNING jenning up much sympathy in this era. Look to us six figures a six figures. You know it's a lot of money. Wall Street gets paid. And you know. I tell. Tell people all the time that you just can't focus on short-term greed. You've got to look at you know long term and see career goes backwards my friends you've got it all about short-term short-term greed who was the model not get out of bed would say they don't get out of bed for less than ten grand. What was the you know what I'm talking? I mean if you look at the new servers that are coming out of it just startling the professor the other day and you know with a million group compensation is not everything you know it probably stocks third or fourth in where they want to be so you you know it all depends in what direction you want to take your career and your life. I'm just joking I was trying to to try to the boom here here. The boomers Joe's here. Thank you Mike Thank you me holidays. Holidays got a data dump from Netflix. Here's what's happening. The company releasing using new metrics revealing that it's subscribers in Europe. The Middle East and Africa have now doubled since the start of two thousand seventeen Latin America. All supposing strong growth while Asia still a small portion of the overall business netflix of course facing slowing growth in the US market is streaming competition. Picks up the company will now group. It's US results with Canada's Canada's in financial report but really more than anything guys the effort here by by doing this critical data dump if you will is to try to get investors to refocus how they even think about this company where the growth is gonNA come from to get them to spend a little bit more attention on the international peace. People focused a little less on the US piece. Where the competition competition? Is it a big dump or was it. A and there was a lot of stuff the today to do. You know in your child. He's a child go. I'll be laughs at his own jokes. Go to commercial. Go to commercial team here. We have certain off theater. You have certain little phrases that I'm in kindergarten garden now. I'm about to cry because of you reacted. How old are the boys? The boys are not they would would like to jat coming out to dump. A cheese will be next up next next on squawk todd does Dennis Muilenburg the CEO of the company have credibility with you and your group of pilots. Obviously there's been a crushing of the trust relationship. The spokesman for fifteen thousand professional pilots talks rebuilding trust in Boeing and in the FAA. We'll be right back problems. It's human nature to hate problems. But why is that after all problems inspire us to mend things then things make things better. That's why so many people work with. Ibm On everything from city. Traffic to ocean plastic new schools to new energy flight delays to food safety fifty smart loves problems. Ibm Let's put smart to work visit. IBM DOT COM slash smart to learn more. Welcome back to squawk box. The big corporate story today Boeing in in the wake of the two tragic plane crashes this year Boeing announced on Monday that it is suspending production of the seven. Thirty seven jetliner come January. Boeing doesn't expect furloughs lows are layoffs planning to reassign its workers instead but the shutdown will have ripple effects for the entire economy. The plane supply chain is a network of over six hundred firms. So while Boeing employs might be okay. There are thousands of other workers across that web of production that may wind up impacted. By Boeing's decision the production action halt is supposed to save the company money and it will but analysts are still expecting bowing to burn a billion dollars a month even after the suspension. Here's Joe Becky Andrew and in our auto reporter Phil about digesting that news. They can save some money by doing this. Fill some money turning off. I can't believe you could build forty those housing's and month which just tells you the size of their manufacturing. It's just that's what it really is A. It's not diminish its effect on the the US economy mass effect on. How do they save money? If if nobody's getting furloughed nobody's getting put out well. You've certainly got a lot of cost or not going into your building aircraft craft so now I was just reading J. P. Morgan's out with an estimate. Today that they're cash burn was previously. They estimate about two billion dollars a month. They're estimating Mike go down to a little over a billion a month so so it'll be cut down dramatically but not even suppliers because I've heard that they would offer offers some assistance to some of their suppliers hundred. That's probably how much assistance do they offer you. The concern for Boeing is that you have a supply supply chain that if they have to go through layoffs and they have to bring down their own production dramatically. And that's why ramping it back up it's going to be choppy. It's it's going to be messy. Look I think most people look at this news and they say when I look at twenty twenty. I'm not expecting anything in the first half and I'm kind of writing off the second half of this year ear J. P. Morgan's out with a note and I've heard this from other people not to expect a clean year in terms of deliveries in terms of earnings etc from Boeing until till twenty twenty. Do you have to store those babies. Don't you can't leave mountain. Snow One more than four hundred of them and then that's another forty every month. That's more than four two hundred zero right. Well a lot of them are are there in Renton Washington outside the plan. I mean you've seen the pictures there's pictures of these. They're in a parking lot. There's people poor showing up at work and their parking right accident. A seven thirty seven so we don't want them all over the place but that's at some point I mean we don't want some eighty seven man. I mean he could lend us one but we probably want one. That is a little safer than the ones that do any. Is there any chance that is more than software. What would that mean youth? I mean are you talking about. Let's redesigned it. No not really something up the production line to where it's not just saw it software. I think mostly what you're talking about. Say that they believe it's retro fit the four hundred that are sitting there right right it software. This is not like they're going to have to go back and a terrible place not to Belabor the point about the credibility management to where we look. It's it's very low. It's low because what they have made. The mistake of doing is making some shins repeatedly going back and we were talking about this before the show. The assumptions that they made in terms of when we redesigned seven thirty seven. This is what it's going to do. This is how it will operate. This is how pilots will react well. Those assumptions were wrong then. There were assumptions about how long it would take to fix it or those assumptions were wrong assumptions about dealing with the FAA way off way the off misplayed the FAA horribly earlier this year so all of those factors come together in terms of management's credibility being very low rate when you say miss playing the FAA they thought it was going to be business as usual do these things and then tell the FAA where it's going along and there's a new sheriff in town the new administrator from day who I was cast the day of the second or couple of days after the accident when the FAA stuck with them remember this the rest of the world who saying shut it down plane is not safe and the FAA. They said Nope nope. NOPE nope with the data that we have the data were getting from from Boeing from other airlines. It's all good it's all good and now the FAA at the end it becomes back and says you got egg on her face. We had a guy on yesterday a Boeing analyst who has a price target of five hundred and eighteen dollars on the stuff you see what the stock is. It's a chance and that's and that's the big deal like you just said everybody's writing-off basically all of next year two years from now I mean maybe it's a different story story if they can get things back up and back up and running. What happens if they allow it to go back up there recertify it and they deliver four hundred planes a month? What do they won't? They won't deliver four hundred a month see. That's the that's the reason that they did this. Remember two weeks ago the FAA came out and they said we're not giving you designated authorization which means in the past it would mean if the FAA. Dan You were Boeing. I'd say hey becky you know what you're good enough. I've seen what you do. You can go and certify these planes on your own that's not how the F. as doing the FAA saying we do it one one time we put the air worthiness certification on every single plane. So that's why it's going to be a slow ramp up now that might change a couple of months down the road if there are no issues if if the FAA feels comfortable they may come to you and they say okay you can go ahead and you can start certifying these and then you may see the deliveries increase from their fill. Stay with us Thanks for joining table from war on the challenges ahead for a welcome a crisis management expert. Eric doesn't always the CEO of resources. And Dennis Taylor is the captain of the seven thirty seven four American Airlines spokesman for the Allied Pilots Association the Union for fifteen thousand professional pilots. Who Fly for American Airlines? Eric and Dennis thank you for for joining us. Dana's this is your world. You live in it. What what's your time on for one of these planes get back in the air? Well long ago we put the calendars in Geor- and took our watches off. We're going to stand with administered Dixon and let this process run through in process. Right now think is being Slightly overlook the software has been addressed. We're still looking at that flight. Control computers but right now the FAA is deeply involved in testing the human factors actors of it making sure that the pilots how they react to these newly designed systems and looking at checklists. So there's a lot more to go in this usually go. It seems and I don't want to put words in your mouth but are you suggesting that the Tomlin that Phil even just talked about is too aggressive. Well we've learned to just ignore guides That that go to the time line and just focus on the process so It's got to be done right. And it's got involved volve pirates for the viewers and especially investors out there trying to figure this out. What are the component parts permutations with which you still think things need to get addressed and figured out well just just last week the FAA included? What is called the thirteen to and taking line pilots in and seeing how they react to this newly designed system then we'll go to a joint point whether it's called the Joab a joint group that will review the training and testing with pilots? Then that'll be forwarded to the FAA We'll internally in the What is called an and they will make a recommendation for pilot training? All of these steps are are happening. have yet to happen. Some of them just happened last week so there's still miles to go but again we're not gonNa let the tick of the clock guide this We're just focused on making sure it's done writing. The pilots are ready. Hey if you have to bring in pilot do all the things that he's already done. The thirteen to that Dennis was talking about. There's a there's a public comment period for a couple of these steps. Here one is going to be for thirty days. That during the midst of on one of those other ones for fifteen days is it possible by mid February. Yeah it's possible but nobody's again that's why we put that up there. That's just the best estimate estimate that people have right now and nobody is comfortable saying that certain airlines have been better about. Estimating this in Boeing has been. They've been moving it back on their schedule. Agile before remember it. Takes the airlines anywhere from forty five to sixty days to comfortably. Start Planning ahead because of the pilot schedules etc right. Hey Eric Mark you've long Talked and we've had this conversation on the air about the credibility of CEO's and what you do in the midst of one of these things whether you whether consistency and and try how to keep the management team in the seat actually makes more sense given some of the complicated nature of trying to get this thing off the ground versus the credibility credibility issue. And and whether you think it matters to that or whether you think they need more credibility either with the public or with regulators etc.. Have you changed your your view at all about where things are now well a little bit. I mean crisis. Management is an improvisational game. You try different things to see if it will not crisis into remission so far nothing has worked so that leaves you with two options. One is a bet the company operational decision. And that's what we've seen as of last tonight. To suspend production the other is a management shakeup and the problem with the management shake-up. It is one of those things that the no oh offense. The news media and observers tend to think is an answer but I tend to be skeptical that it is just because people think it's the I answer that is an it is an actual answer ahead rolling contest Unless you are dealing with provable negligence at the top is not always as as has constructive. I think one of the challenges here from a total communications perspective is complexity in terms of a cause is not your friend. We're hearing it's the caste system were hearing. It may be an interaction between human beings and the caste system were hearing about the role of regulators as a general consumer. None of that is comforting. Even though life we understand is complex. Lemme ask Dennis than straight up and down right here right now. You have you support and is does Dennis Muilenburg the CEO of the company have credibility with you and your group of pilots. Well it obviously. There's been a crushing of the trust relationship but we're going to focus on rebuilding net with facts and not quickey slogans We WanNa see the actions and right now administrator Dixon. There's Becky had mentioned. There's a new sheriff in town there's a new captain in the cockpit and we know how he's reacting being two people pushing him. It's what we do what I do in a cockpit when my crew is being pushed. It's to reaffirm that this needs to be done together and done on the basis sir. The reason I'm asking is because clearly investors. Yesterday after the decision I spoke to a number of them are enough of them. I should say who who suggested suggested. Look we've been waiting waiting. We've been given deadlines they haven't they have. They've missed having reached. They told us one thing. Something else has happened and the question is now I think being asked in a way perhaps differently than it was being asked before. Well clearly These guides that keep falling through it. It's just like in the cockpit is just like the market. We don't like uncertainty and we've tend to ignore these these false deadlines So we're going to no matter who's in charge in the cockpit Because of what we do in serious consequences of it we must have full disclosure all the facts and we'll let that guide us. Eric what would you do right now. If Dennis's watching would you tell them I would tell him that the inside game is more important than the outside game and the inside game is defined by how the FAA and how the pilots and how the government reacts and that views from the cheap seats in terms of head rolling are not the answer. Focus on the inside game game. This is first and ob to the solution to this crisis is getting the planes. In the air. Without incident it is not pleasing The mass consumer right now. Okay Okay Eric Dentists. Thank you next on Squawk todd off brand and unsavory characters on the APP store. What was shocking about? It is wait a second. This is apple. How does this happen and you see this? These stories about Google and facebook right now. Moderation is a problem for everybody right now. The editor in chief of of a new tech consumer site speaks to which APPS are not safer kits back after this. Oh boy you're listening to Squawk pod. Here's Becky quick. Report is raising questions over the safety and legitimacy of APPs in the apple store Bustle digital groups. New Tech Consumer side input finding dozens of APPs using official Disney characters to lure in parents and children two games that contain offensive material joining. He gets right now. Is Josh Topolski. He is the editor-in-chief of input. He is also the CO creator of Vox Media and the CO founder of the verge and Josh. This is pretty concerning for anybody who it has kids. We assume you see some of those safe signs like Disney characters. And it's all good to go. Yeah I mean it's it's actually pretty crazy. We actually did the same writer. WHO's my wife? Did A story a couple well years ago about youtube videos for all these fake pepe pig videos. Same thing kind of set off a bit of a storm about what Youtube was doing in terms of regulation. Now the APP store in Apple. We're having the same issue right. There are APPs there that are literally labeled as Disney characters and they stealing the Disney character offensive material but they're like stealing the copyrights the IP of Disney vamp arena or frozen characters like by name. It's got the NICKELODEON I P pop patrol stuff like that and then you go into the APPS and they're filled with spam ads. They're filled with all of these. If you WANNA walk this go by this and some of them are really disturbing. I mean there's one on one that we looked at Carina poll teeth which is upsetting. It's aged it's for four plus it in terms of the age so I always thought of the Apple. APP store is being one place. That'd be really tough to get into youtube. Doesn't surprise me. Yeah that's the thing isn't it. Is that with Youtube. Anybody can upload video the APP store. I mean apple says that a per some human being reviews every APP that goes in there and look. The answer has ballooned in size over the last few years. So they're obviously. There's a lot more to moderate. Their the the real question is how do you one get the stuff. That's the bad content right. The teeth pollinger the bad ads or whatever. That's one set of issues. The other issue is the Disney and nickelodeon stuff is completely copyrighted. Eighty characters that are in there that are have nothing to do with their owners so I think it was apple's response so apple has a response yet. I mean I think that look. This is a complicated issue. You I think there's a lot of levels to it right if it were just copyright infringement. That's one level if it were just bad content and other level. Just hey you know. This stuff isn't appropriate for four year olds. Maybe it's okay for eight year olds different level so I think that what I've heard from people that I know that are at company is that there's a lot of conversation going on right now. They're trying to figure out the right way to solve the problem. We haven't heard an official word for them. I expected at some point. They're going to have an official position on this and a reaction to his. He can't leave the stuff up in sort of a Meta philosophical question that that apple's also pleaded with an public policy issue. which is they've often said? Look we control the APP store. We run it the way we want to run it. We advantage cer- naps of other APPs but we are affected the monitor in this case obviously not monitoring where you might want them to be but if they were to take a very very aggressive stance about monitoring things then then they get the flip of all this right right then all of the APP makers starts screaming and hollering that somehow this some kind of antitrust Kabuki theatre situation right. So what's the answer. Well it's funny. I mean in the early days. The APP store they were. There was a whole controversy with them. Removing Dictionary APPS because they had four letter words in them I mean apple was the insurance. They wanted swear words in the in the APP store in the early days. The answer is there. If you say there's people looking at their have people looking at it right and that's not the case here. You think it's actually slipping. They might be look. There's some I mean sometimes it takes to be looking at because you hear these horror stories from other people who are developing APPs. Bring him to yeah and then they get shutdown. That's exactly right. So sometimes like Jessica lesson from the information just wrote that piece. Just had this huge piece. About how these scrutinized her APP scrutinized scrutinized the color of the font and the way that they price things so clearly in a lot of cases they are looking at every part of the back door. That's sliding I mean it is going through through some gate. The question is who's looking. How are they looking? Do they have the right amount of people looking at me as a parent. Because I've given my kids kind of free rein to the APP store because I figure it's being police more closely as issues. But that's the expectation I think what. And what was the article points out. We expect companies like Disney or Nickelodeon. We'll have vetted this stuff. I'm not going to dig through and look at everything going through the APP if I think that that's what it is standards have been insanely high. So they actually are reliable in almost every every case which is why this is so surprising. What was shocking about? It is wait a second. This is apple. How does this happen? And I think it's a problem that everybody's deal with. I mean you see this these stories about Google and facebook look right now. Moderation is a problem for everybody right now. Do you think that there will be regular regulation that steps in to do this or do you think the companies will step by themselves. I think that I think the danger for companies like apple or anybody else's if you don't do it right eventually. Somebody's GonNa make enough noise that you start talking about regulation right. I mean nobody's really said. Hey we're GONNA go and we want to regulate what's in the APP store. There there have been antitrust questions. There are questions about monopoly. I think but right now what apple needs to do is figure out what their strategy is to solve the problem. I'm curious philosophically. Where you stand? Do you believe leave. The APP store should be fundamentally opened. Do you believe it should be closed in monitored. Do you think there should be multiple opportunities for for other APP stores meeting some some and spotify is the world and others would say there should be almost a separate APP store that should be available and there's competition in the APP store marketplace. Yeah I'm for the more Ervin Open market more of a free market concept but then you'd have a wild west owls things but then apple illicit in our in our store. It'll look you in the store you can say. This is what we want our store. This is the official apple store. Someone else's aim. We're GONNA put everyone in our store over here if you want to download that on your phone and get access to these APPs. Then you're kind of like you no play at your own risk but I think that I would google done actually works I mean they do a fairly open space for people to go and put stuff in the play store and they have problems like this too but they deal with it they they have people looking at it better than apple in this regard. I mean they're more open to different strategy. You can put a different APP store on an Android Samsung. has its own APP store. But it's totally separate. From what Google does I like the idea that more people can get their apps onto a device. You own the device. You should be able to put you want on it. I think apple has every right to police what they put in their APP store. The question is how good they policing it and if you trust them then you probably get more likely to use their APP store than somebody else's Josh. Thank you for coming in and something to think about for sure. Happier happy holidays. Play pro This show for today. Thanks for listening. I can't even tell you folks what's going on commercial break wearing jeans on just Yoga Pants Lulu limit their ABC people in Glass glass-houses ABC pits. squawk box is hosted by Joe. Kernan becky quick and Andrew Ross Sorkin Weekday Mornings on CNBC at six am eastern and to get the smartest takes in analysis from our TV. Show right into your ears subscribed Jackpot. It's available for free. Wherever you get your podcasts? We'll be back here tomorrow. Thanks guys problems. It's human nature to hate problems. But why. Why is that after all problems inspire us to mend things? 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November 14, 2018: Hour 2

"This message comes from here. And now sponsor indeed if you're hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes, set up screener questions then zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started at indeed dot com slash NPR podcast from NPR and WBU are Boston. I'm Robin young. I'm Jeremy Hobson hosting today from the BBC in London. This is here now and Robin. I'm here at a crucial moment for Brexit. Prime Minister Theresa may, presented her plan for Brexit for Britain's exit from the European Union to her cabinet today. They've been meeting they are meeting at this hour. The meeting is going longer than expected. We're waiting to see what will happen but reactions to her plan or coming in. This is former Prime Minister Tony Blair who spoke to the BBC today. This is a bad deal, and it's really not going to work. And that's why I think the only way you can result physician finally is to go back to the people and say, look you're going to have to give us a clear Monday. So he saying. There should be a second referendum one of many options, there is enormous uncertainty here and very high stakes. We're going to have more from London throughout the show really interested, especially since President Trump just headed overseas trip. So we'll get some reaction to that. But meanwhile, in Washington, it was orientational for new members of congress a record number of women this morning. Everyone took that group photo on the steps of the capitol. Start. You can look anyway, you what I need everybody right here. Right. Oh, what everybody laughing very clear jewel but from here both parties will retreat to their respective corners. And probably Jeremy with twenty twenty in mind. Oh my gosh. We're already at twenty twenty minute Kovac is with us. He's a Republican strategists. He's in Austin, Texas, and Jamal Simmons democrat and hosted at hill TV in Washington. Welcome to both of you. And let me start just because we're here in London today with a view of American politics from Europe, which has been in the news, very public disagreement this week between the French president Emmanuel Macron and President Trump about the forces of nationalism which mccraw warns about as old demons which are coming back to the surface. Trump's skipped a World War One observance in France. And in tweets yesterday brushed off mccraw hectoring him about World, War Two and French wine. Tariffs met the start with you. What do you make of this is this an uncomfortable moment for these two or something more serious? Well, I think it's reflect. Of disagreements between, the two countries and really between the two leaders on a range of issues trade being part of that certainly immigration whether to countries address the immigration issue, and what Trump would want to do versus what Macron wanted to mccrone obviously proposed this European army, which is something President Trump didn't respond very kindly to. So look, I think President Trump likes trying to build strong relationships one on one with world leaders. He likes trying to use those relationships to improve America's position related to its economic position related to trade really to security related to economic deals and economic development and really up until very recently it appeared that the Trump had a pretty strong relationship. So there's obviously some kind of breakdown I suspect that this is not something new I suspect it's something that's been building over weeks or months in private calls in meeting set senior levels of both their staffs what we're reading that. You know in turtle reports are that the president is see. Seething over the midterms. Do you worry the appearance is of a very Shakespearean character alone on the hill? Not marching with world leaders down the Shawn's say having this, you know, I mean, the the French and the and the an an Americans the, you know, World War Two is kind of a sacred conversation and using it to kind of throw a spitball at the French president. I think the comment was you French on the verge of learning German when we came along and saved you. I mean, do you worry about his state of mind? Well, I think he's obviously under even more pressure now than he was we know that that, you know, digital diamonds are likely in the Muller inquiry. We know that Muller's preparing his report to congress. We know that congress is about to change hands on the house side, and that those committees are going to be aggressively using subpoena power to investigate him. So his presence. He's about to get get far more challenging and the next two years, and it was in the last two years. And so I think all this is happening at a kind of a delicate time for him. And he's trying to think about what what happens next. I think this is an opportunity for him to pivot folks on issues were were we're both parties and come together infrastructure being wondered prices perhaps being another. There's not particularly there. We'll see if he sees it Jamal. I don't want to psychoanalyze President Trump too much here. But I do wonder do you think that he thought that he was going to do a lot better in the midterm election? And that right now he's kinda lashing out because he's realizing that it actually was a much bigger Blue Wave than he then he thought and people are are feeling comfortable like, micro and just. Oh, by the way, who made a comment about being out in the rain, which Trump didn't do to to go to that cemetery. People feel comfortable sort of attacking him as well. Yeah. The phrase l'enfant ridiculous is one comes to mind. I think that the president reacts much like a child whenever he finds himself in a difficult situation. And it looks like now he is lashing out our allies he's done that so many times in the past. He's undermine NATO. He's undermine trade agreements. He's putting a tariffs on friends. He's going to China relationship the way he behaves in the states a little bit like, you know, the bam. Bam rubble of the American political scene at don't Flintstones reference. Was it is a fun. Sounds reference. I'm mixing my metaphors all over the place. But I think that he listen, I think that what's dangerous for the American public is to have a president doesn't seem to be able to contain himself at a moment. Raise under a fair amount of pressure. And I don't understand that because he lost pretty badly last week and the elections, you know, a whole, you know, the Democrats went seven governors mansions, the Democrats win the house of representatives majorities attorney general's all sorts of seats that it's a pretty big repudiation despite the pickup or two, and that's in it. It's pretty big creation, and it's tough to ask Matt via again, Republican strategist about that. Because I think the Democrats are likely to pick up thirty five to forty seats in the house and Dominica Montenero from NPR says, this is the most seats gained by Democrats in any midterm election in the post Watergate era, and people are, you know, aware well aware that in the run-up to the elections. The president just pounded the drums about this invasion from these migrants and sent troops to the border. You know to move in is an important thing and the Trump friendly, FOX and friends the drumbeat about this invasion is gone. And if there's a sense that this was being used for election, and it didn't even work. Do you think it backfired? I do think that the folks on immigration at the end to clip birthright citizenship, and some caravans stuff probably did backfire along the margins and we saw that in Texas, but those numbers, but to a works numbers improved in the last couple of weeks trickily as Trump came to Texas went to Houston was probably not probably net unhelpful there. But, but look, I think all of this is happening as I said before it, a very interesting time, he has decide, you know. Can you be successful in the next two years? Can you work with Democrats, obviously Democrats want to target him? They wanna use subpoena power to go after him. That's not going to create a kind of environment where bipartisan complement can happen. But he has a chance to be successful in two years. He could still use executive authority to do things. He can try to get these trade deals through congress. He continues to the the the economy grow. There's an opportunity there. But you know, the question is can he kinda reel it in? And Kenny kind of, you know, learn from this midterm election. I think there's a debate about what a wave election is. You know, we're. Republicans took back I think fifty four seats and then sixty three seats in the two big wave elections that looks like this is gonna end up front thirty eight or thirty nine seats. But this was a significant election for the Democrats who did a lot of what they wanted to do everything they wanted. But it's a it's an opportune for publicans to learn something from the midterm election to correct course. And I hope we do let's talk about the elections that are still ongoing. The counts that are still happening today in Washington, Florida. Governor Rick Scott is attending the new Senator organization. Even though there's a recount in his race. He said he would step down from the state board that officials sign off on on election results. His opponent Bill Nelson. Demanded that yesterday. Let's listen. My opponent isn't interested in making sure that every lawful vote is counted. Instead, he's been using his power as governor to try to undermine the voting process. Dema what happens here, and how far Democrats willing to go to keep this keep this alive. Oh, Democrats are willing to go all the way to the end because it's important to make sure that the votes get counted in the election. I think Senator Nelson's and a pretty good place to you know, he might be able to pick up enough votes to make this work. What's really important? Also is that the Democrats hold faith with the voters? They asked to come out. They went very hard to get new voters regular voters and people don't normally show up in midterm elections to vote, and if those votes weren't counted, it's very easy for those people to say see you told me to come in. It didn't matter, and I think Democrats feel like you've got to make sure those votes count. So that you can make sure those voters keep showing up or stay with the Democrats and Jamal for a second. Because yes, the president has had a rough couple of weeks. I think one could say, but the question is can the Democrats hold it together? Let's listen to near congresswoman Alexandria, Cossio Cortez. One of the progressives that came out of nowhere to to win a New York demanding more action on climate change in Nancy Pelosi's office yesterday. Listen, I'm just now. Patient me. Hi. Of course, that's congresswoman elect Cortez and people saying, you know, what a way to start her orientation. We. Going to be a fun ride. Well, is it going to be fun for the Democrats? If there is a big fight over the leadership in the house Nancy Pelosi her back as her saying, she's the one who shepherd at a lot of these people into Democrats into house seats, if the Democrats can't hold together. How can they seize this moment yet limited to say this? It would be unprecedented. If a hundred women come to the United States house of representatives, and the majority of the democratic freshman class is female or black Latino Asian American native American, and we replace the first woman speaker with south south Molton. I just don't see where they do that. I don't see where that happens. So Nancy Pelosi is probably going to be the speaker. We have yet to see a candidate emerge that's going to oppose her, and then Democrats have to learn not just from the house races. But look at the governor's races people at Gretchen boomer Whitmer in Michigan who ran on fixing the roads people want things to get fixed. Hold it at that the Jamal Simmons. Hosted hill television that Makoviac Republican. Thank you. Thank you. I'm Jeremy Hobson broadcasting today from London Prime Minister Theresa May's cabinet met this afternoon to discuss the deal. She reached yesterday with the European Union. It would provide for an orderly Brexit from the EU, but it has to get through parliament. I and she will need a lot of her own conservative party to support it. We spoke yesterday with two conservative members at parliament, John Redwood is what they call Brexit tear. He told me there's little chance her latest deal. We'll get through. Well, it didn't think plan is even going to get through the European Union is quite clear that the check is plan was still bowled on arrival. As far as the European Union is concerned you can't cherry pick from the single market. You copy hoffy in the market and haul out of the market. We now seem to be looking at west series of proposals from the point of view of all of those who just won't the UK to be a normal independent country again in the looks. As if they are considering a withdrawal agreement, which would impose a thirty nine Bidin soup attacks on the United Kingdom in return for another twenty one months of talks about how and when we might eventually stagger out of the single market and the customs union now, I'm seventeen point four million people the majority in the referendum voted to leave we've aid to leave not just the European Union. But we voted to the it so cooled single market, and it's called customs union faith, the remain campaign made that clear it will be the result of voting to div because they thought that was bad news and the leaf campaign made it clear, we've believing the single machen customs union because we think it's great news because we don't think they work to a well, they they mug the customer. They monk many businesses. They tie us up in red tape. And they charge us a full shooting hard and money, which we have to send as a donation to a series of rich. Countries on the continent to euro k with no deal. I don't want a deal the kind. They have in mind because it drags us. Back into the very thing. We said we're going to leave. It prevents us being an independent country making our animals and spending our money, and it would cost us a fortune. What about Northern Ireland? This is the big sticking point right now is what would happen to the Irish border with no deal. Well, nothing would happen to the Irish vote of in knightdale on our side, the British government would continue with similar border arrangements. So the ones we have at the moment. I miss it is already an international border. It is a VAT border, they're on different levels of sales tax on outside to the Irish side. So they have to be sales tax adjustments is an anti-terrorism border that has failed to police cooperation if the European Union wishes to impose all sorts of barriers on the Irish side that is up to them. And that's something which Republic of Ireland as a subject Member State of the European Union. We'll have to sort out with the European Union, but that'll affect p. People in the UK as well people in Northern Ireland. It'd be affected by that. Well, I didn't think the European Union will do it. I'm not I've had some comment. European Union's OSA might clear that in practice if we just left they would not want to impose new barriers on this side of the border, and I would advise not to in terms of international trade is very unimportant border is abode of the matches to the people who live near it. But it's not a big trade border. At the big trade. Borders are primarily the ones across the channel between France Belgium, Holland in the United Kingdom. So obviously, your prime minister who's in the same party as you doesn't agree with what you're saying. Now, I didn't agree with it. But I think she'll find the mice conservative members. The members of my party agree with me and not with the prime minister. And she will find the dodge number of conservative members of parliament don't agree with her either. They're around one hundred of us who say the eurosceptic view that we should just leave that we wish to sign a penal withdrawal agreement and then there are about fifteen. Conserved Mems parliament who strongly won't to stay in the whole thing. And deeply regret the verdict to the British people in the referendum who say a hall stop to this particular proposal, you think she's going to survive to resume as prime minister. I've no idea I'm not sought to it depends on whether she understands the strength feeding on goes along. We what we wish or if she decides to carry on seeking to sign an agreement with the European Union that her party doesn't agree with in which case, it would be very difficult for what do you say to people in this country who voted the other way? Do you think they're all just stupid? They don't understand the stakes here. Of course. I don't think people who disagreement with me in a free ballot stupid. I'm democrat and I respect their right disagree. With me. I've argued this case with them over many years for forty five years they had their way and I had to put up with membership of the European Union. An I set to that because that was the result of democratic votes. An I assume many of those will agree with me that we've not had a fab the other way. So it's might now to have. Well, I won't with many millions who agree with me. What is this moment? Like for you right now this week. Does. It feel scary exciting. What this week is like many other weeks that we have been delayed on our way out of the European Union. So I lived through every day. Just hoping the government doesn't do anything difficult awkward or put their foot in it. And I don't want them to end up with a bad agreement, which is where they seem to want to go because I and my colleagues we'll have that down John Redwood, a conservative member of parliament. And now a different view from inside the same party, Kenneth Clarke is a staunch remainder. I asked him what he thinks will happen anybody who tells you that that confident they know what's going to happen is deceiving themselves. I have never seen a big shambles in all my life. I think the principal pot is engaged. They will exactly. The most going to happen. Always desperate attempts being made to agree with drawer agreement Bevo means the Irish Buddha. But that's all punctuated by Osos rows busines clashes political events votes in the house of Commons. Have noticed how likely is it that there will be no deal at all and Britain will crash out of the EU going an ever increasing possibility is a danger that no on Cicak crash light that venue, the handful of hardline eurosceptics involement who seem to think of no deal is positively desirable. But the Johnsons if had happened me by accident Agung up week by week reinvent. And beim problem, obviously is getting desperately short time. So what would you advise you would like to remain? I would have is the one thing that I think we've said to go to get is an agreement this Avars investments trade out economic relationships and security and other relationships can send it's a transition period. Joining which time nothing changes, but the would have to agree to that to that would. But I think that they won't hopeless disruption at bolt is and for the the will crazy things that would would happen if we literally had no legal framework doll in place on March thirtieth and that one in the right mind normally changes any business like arrangements until everybody's clear what with changing too should there. Be a second referendum on what if referendums a crazy way of deciding events the referendum decided nothing because new. To give any thought to what would happen if we did leave? I regard referendums was doffed idea the Americans. Steamy ruck, Andy, they don't have in the constitution. There's no way running a Wilkes tool that alone as serious government. So is there any way at this point to stop Brexit from happening? I wish I thought you almost you. My preference would be to stop it. But I I rather pessimistically assuming we can't stop it. The political classes a whole have condemned themselves to being bound by will the politician signed up and swath that they would obey the voice of the people old thinking that remained was going to win. Having signed up so many NBC's would have to go back then genuine opinions of national interest. Stop in and they will provoke many nuts de backlash from hardliners skeptics who would stop saying will being betrayed big picture. Do you think that if Britain leaves the EU that it is gonna lose its stature in the world the way that the way that it is right now where it's really one of the key players around the world on a lot of big issues that if it's not part of the European Union? It's just the UK. Is it still going to be that? I do think that maybe putting him, oh, positively I think the folder five years of membership who've seen Britain's political standing in the world and our ability to influence events, Luca thriving, any interest defend values has grown immeasurably, and we'll waive from all that and the Pepsi. No doubt in my mind. If we follow the result of the referendum Britain is going to be a weaker political force in the world. And it's going to be poorer than it. Otherwise would have been I wanna ask you one more question. Your party is split on this issue to some degree as the labor party. Why is that why why aren't the parties together on what they want with Brexit it? Always it cuts across the usual. Ideological philosophical things that determine the difference between the center right center left. Now both parties a hopelessly split may not the two factions of the multiple factions of tea party moat ba- factions that I've about the continued existence of both establishment parties must be in some doubt. Although both sides now strive to keep going. I mean, it's not unusual. This is happening in every western democracy. The Americans have still got Republicans and the Democrats when I look at them. That's not the Republican party as I recall, it, that's not the Democrats. The angry protesting disciplined to populous positively population is rejecting they'll governing class centre-right to let. Hall. Britain the European issue. Just brings out. Kenneth clarke. Thank you so much for joining us. So to us on Brexit from two conservative members of parliament who will have the opportunity to vote onto reason as plan you can find all of our interviews about Brexit at here now dot. This message comes from NPR's sponsor in being when it comes to hiring. You don't have time to waste you need help getting to your shortlist of qualified candidates fast with indeed post a job in minutes. Set up screener questions then zero in on qualified candidates. And when you need to hire fast, accelerate your results with sponsored John's did users can try for three when you sign up at indeed dot com slash NPR podcast terms conditions. Follow these standards. Retailers are starting to post their quarterly earnings investors study these reports for clues about the health of the industry and the economy is a whole as we head into the shopping season. So far the picture is mixed. Let's bring in Clarisa Basham business correspondent for CNN. Hi, claire. Hi, robyn. So Macy's it's go to the good end of the spectrum came out this morning beating the estimates. Strong growth in sales higher than expected earnings per share twenty seven cents a versus the fourteenth cents. That was expected. I my reaction is what you don't go to Macy's. I feel like I don't see anyone. I don't see any employees. But obviously, they're doing something. Right. What are they doing right revenue? And I have had this discussion about Macy's. But the bottom line is they doing a lot of things, right? They've closed dozens of underperforming stores they freed up cash by doing that to to pay down some of that debt and invest in that town around and talking about that tight around a lot of that has been investing in digital. They saw double digit growth in the digital business. Again, this quota that's been multiple quotas of that mobile is doing ready while. So they've been proactive, you know, this is good. This is what the legacy retailers need to do the question that we've been looking at this morning is why is the stuck down. Now more than five and a half percent. And I think according to analysts that I've been speaking to some people a worried that this ten rounds simply may not be happening. Fast enough. Macy's is benefiting from positive comparisons. From low A numbers last year. I it's benefiting from a strong consumer and people are worried those effects may not lust. So there's a bit of transitional going on around the stoke today. But overall, a pretty solid report. In other words, people have a little more money in their pocket. Maybe you know, consumer confidence is high. So that may be boosting what it really isn't that great a picture for Macy's. But I just wanna come in. I love how they are going further into technology. They having things like virtual reality in the stores devices where people can use the technology to see how makeup Mike, look or something and doing these little mini marketplaces that target. Another stores have done. So they're trying things they are trying these. That is the bottom line. This is an experimental phase of that ten around. They were very clear on that today in the endings cool to have a whole new set of criteria for stores. They're investing in in kind of the the mediums I still as they called magnet stores. They have a new concept cooled neighborhood stores, which is smaller stores where that trying to use them almost as much as stores as they awful film. It send his bring people in doing buy online pickup and still and technology say is another is another big aspect of this. They've been investing in oak melted reality in virtual reality. They just partnered with Facebook's face, but can brings them pups into some of their stores with some online digital businesses. Really? It's it's not just about investing digital. It's about making the most of the of the physical real estate. They've got using that in the service of that digital business. Look the rest of the industry just scanning at Home Depot beat expert expectations yesterday JC Penney's, which has been struggling there is alter due out tomorrow. But Amazon just you know, what do you see in Amazon in the minute that we have. And how might that be a sign of what's happening in the industry? Well, look Amazon did rattle Wall Street with its earnings backing up Kobe focused weaker-than-expected holiday season, and that's contributed to some of the Felli precipitous falls that we've seen in stock price over the last few weeks. But this is not a moment for the other retailers to rest on that laurels. Amazon is still aggressively expanding its able to offset its low imagine commerce business with high Emma generes like advertising, like the cloud. And I think the other retailers should still be very afraid, and it's building too big new headquarters. Clare Sebastian business correspondent for CNN. Thank you. Thanks. It's not even thanksgiving yet. We're talking about the shopping season. I'm Jeremy Hobson, and I am broadcasting from the United Kingdom this week as we look ahead to the coming deadline for Britain to exit the European Union. I actually have family here in the UK. My father is British born here. My grandmother Margaret Hobson still lives here in Coventry and industrial town a little more than an hour outside of London. She is now ninety two and still in the same house. My father grew up in I stopped in to see her as I do on all my trips to the UK, and she showed me some of the family photos up on the wall in a small living room where before he died a few years ago. My grandfather Richard used to paint and play the piano. That's great. That would my grandmother. In the middle. And my two on what year was that? I think they would coming to to the wedding to your wedding could've been too. It was that in the formative could they've all got the flowers on live chat. Initially that was my husband's mother. And she was one of. One of five five and that EFI wish the eldest. Sister. And she married the head man at the ward off a story in America. And you and grandad were married for sixty seven years. Yes. Yes. Yes. We will long time. What's the secret to that? Well, you just pick the right one the first time. Just lucky on you. You just lucky? I mean, Richard just he saw me he was sort of working on the little tank on the side of the road. And I used to go to work in the one of the aircraft factory. My voice stepped on the front of the Bush, and he showed me sitting on this on the front of the bus every day. And he knew I lived somewhere around here. So he came across one night and went to one of the places and said describe may and did they know me found who I was and that which it that was it which it and he painted that pig over there. Yes. That should show poetry. I've had to keep that that would one of the first one that he did. Yes. Yes. Coventry was a factory town and during World War Two the British used it to build things needed for the war effort as a result. It was singled out by Adolf Hitler for a bombing blitz on this very night nineteen forty. Muttered city of Coventry amid the Jose wreckage of a no-go city crushed by hundreds of tons of the steeple of how one time dutiful fourteenth century cathedral. Looks down on a scene of indescribable desolate. Thousand citizens of carpentry were killed all maimed by the Nazi disciples of small tat. We'll kill mostly for the joy of killing and destroy mostly for the joy of destroy. These scenes of the butchery at Coventry. To this day the walls of that cathedral still stand in the center of town. But that's about it. My grandmother lived through that. Magen from tree because my father worked out the right, and which was the craft factory. And I wish we were here. We would hit join the rich. Yes. What what was that? Like what happened during the blitz? Well, we been having rage night after night off tonight. And so my father used to take us in the car will usual pile in the car with blankets and food, and he just drive up to the gbi tail which is a little hill just outside complementary, and we'd stay in the car until we heard they will play a signal go about three o'clock in the morning, come back home, and we'll get into bed and then get which school or work in the mornings because the bombings wouldn't happen during the day. No, they was just one day when I'd come home from school. And I know one was home could my parents were it worked the siren went which was so unusual in the middle of the day in Coventry being so far inland, but the iron went so I went and sat outside on the show to we'd got to shelter in the garden. So I went and sat on their sitting what if anything come are nipping quickly. And then I saw this aircraft and it flew straight down the the Bipasha the main road carbon-free there, the forty five and all the workers were coming out for a clock with coming after the factories, and they were machine gunning the people coming after the factories, but that just one war thing that I remember were you scared. No, it's funny. No, I said I sat on the outside. By the age out. You just don't ever remember don't ever remember being scared. Did you think that the allies would win the war while it was happening? Oh, yes. We know would never any doubt that that we were going to win. No, no. I don't ever remember having any any doubt that that that we wouldn't win the wall. I just toward through the old cathedral in Coventry, which is completely destroyed or at least what's left of it or just the walls. What about when that happened? Do you remember when that happened? Yes. Well, we we'd been up night off tonight the weeks before and my mother decided that we she'd take my sister ni- up to Scotland where my grandfather lived and on the news the next morning. We heard that Coventry had had this big blitz. And of course, my mother would want me to death about my father being called them tree. And of course, you couldn't get through all the telephone down everything. But he went out throwback to Kenilworth about three or four miles out and found a got a phone and manage to phone and say, I'm okay. So she said, well, I'm coming down. So she came back home. And of course, the house the windows were out. Out. There was she had to cook on the open fire. There was no gas or electric city. So she was having to cook putting kettles things on the fire to to do things. So that would what we remember an I my sister. And I we stayed up there until the Easter and my father picked us up on the east, and it was the night of the Easter bleach on carpentry. So we arrived back again and had to stay up on the in the car up on the couch. Good, but that was the law sh one. There was no more bombs when you think of all the things that this country has experienced in your lifetime. The war being one of them. Where does Brexit stand up in your mind, and how how important that was Well I- Brecht Jean very strange because to us in my generation because we're definitely not Europeans. I mean, we're British and that's it. So I can't see it ever wanting to join in especially with the French. We always though nearish allied. We've always had. A bit of a danger against the French. You know, we always felt that we won the war for them. You know, and they had so grateful to us. But did you feel that way? When Britain was joining the EU. Well, I don't remember it being a great thing in our lives. You know, we want particularly impressed with the detoro. I must admit no does said, we we think about so just so English or British that your patch to the younger generation. I don't really know. How they fail. Now. You didn't vote in the Brexit vote. Did you know? No, right. I didn't I'm afraid I voted show much in my life that I have voted now on any of the local elections or any of the election for a few years. Now, how did you feel about it? When you found out that Britain had voted to leave the EU. Well, I wouldn't surprise as I said, I don't I never ever think of us as Europeans. We're always a little bit of the awkward squad. You know, we all we don't want to agree with what they agree with. I wasn't a torch. The Bri is what do you think? It means for the future of Great Britain to go out on its own once again now, I think they always manage. I think they always do. No. I think they've I think as a country they are able to stand on. But we always got the Commonwealth. We've been lucky having. The Commonwealth with us. So we're not quite alone. But no, I think we're quite happy to the stunned alot. Grandmother Margaret Hopson in Coventry England. You can see a photo of the two of us and the remains of the old cathedral at here now dot org. Boeing is facing tough questions today about the automated emergency system in its new seven thirty seven max aid plane, one of which crashed into the ocean near Indonesia last month, killing all aboard investigators are looking into whether the crash was caused by a glitch in the emergency system a glitch that Boeing reportedly knew about but didn't previously disclose because according to an unnamed Boeing official in the Wall Street Journal, the company didn't want to inundate pilots with too much information blowing his now issued instructions for pilots says it's confident in the plane safety, captain Dennis tater flies for American Airlines and his spokesman for that company's union. This captain, this emergency system is supposed to automatically push the nose of a plane down if the pilot has at too high and is in danger of stalling, but we understand the glitches that faulty data can cause the emergency system to think it's stalling automatically activate and push the nose down, even when it's level. That's exactly it that automated system had some bad information go into it as adjusted by the bulletin by the FAA and Boeing, and it triggered this system to basically fake the airplane out thinking that it was going into a stall. And that system took over and started to induce nose down stabiliser. That's what likely mobile find out what the incident of the full breath of it was but Boeing and the FAA have been very strong in her language about how to compensate for that what might have happened. Let's say this thing kicked in and suddenly the plane starts to nosedive the pilot in this case eight doesn't know what's happening. Right. He doesn't know that there's this emergency system. He doesn't know there's a glitch in the system and can override it. I would assume it goes even further the net in according to the bulletin, this aronie this bit of information was actually a mimicking that the aircraft was stalling. So there are other very very loud indicators and actual feel mechanisms that are initiated because the stall is a very dangerous condition from stickshaker to alerts going off. So the initial grab it a pilot attention is likely going to be that a false warning this automated system will be buried under that while the air the pilot the first officer and captain are trying to deal with the situation. I obviously thinking they might be stalling. We don't know at this point what the crew experience, but I can assure you that in the airplane. It'll be vastly a deeply distracting in require a deep knowledge of the aircraft system, which is one of the core issues in this Boeing did not disclose this new system. Well, so the false information comes and sends all these bells and whistles out that there's a stall there is no stalled at the same time that false information is triggering if I understand this correctly this new emergency system, which is pulling the nose. Down. So the plane is then starting to go into a dive, Ken, the pilot override that emergency system and bring the nose up great point. And that's exactly what the pilot can do initiating a thumb wheel. Trim actuator would momentarily stop that. We've also learned something different about it. There's another sort of a failsafe when the control column is pulled back it would interrupted on the old airplanes. But on this new max, it will not interrupt. It. We now know this. So that's the good news of the day. But prior to that that information was not disclosed to us. Our pilots are are right now struggling with the side effect of that. And that is the trust layer safety culture is deeply embedded in trust. And when it comes to aircraft safety, it's sort of a sanctuary of Vatican. And every stakeholder respects that in right now from the FAA to our company's been extrordinary into disclose. Of this information immediately to the pilot unions. We're all on the same side of of offense and Boeing's been on the other side. And now, we're asking them to please join us in this full disclosure, and so far so good. We'll would be a little more blunt as you have been. We've we've read in other places. Are you worried that there's other things you don't know? Absolutely. That's what I Pol sat on the line are asking what else you got tell us everything about the airplane because we are ultimately the last line of defense to protect our passengers. Well, that brings us to a question because if we can sum up here, there's a new emergency system in the new seven thirty seven max eight plane, but there was a glitch in that system that Boeing knew about none of this did pilots know about you say you do. Now, the captain I have to ask you should we get on seven thirty seven max, eight planes. Absolutely that aircraft coming into this as a safe aircraft. Both the old version and a new version we just now know more about it that makes it even safer. We're flying that aircraft right now as we speak our men and women out there. And now, they know more about the aircraft. That's good. Their families are flying on it. So there's absolutely no hesitation amongst our pilot core about the safety of that aircraft. In fact, I would say it's even safer than it was before this. Incident and every pilots been training now in this every pilot is now aware of this system. Yes. And that's the positive side of this story. And of course, as you referenced before we're asking. Okay. What else? Do you have open books? That's captain. Dennis tasers spokesperson for the Allied Pilots Association, a union that represents pilots at American Airlines and is the frontline for us, captain. So thank you very much. Thank you pleasure. And here now is production of NPR and WVU Arn association with the BBC World Service. I'm Robin young. I'm Jeremy Hobson at the BBC in London. This is here now.

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The deal with Brexit, losing track of Gitmo detainees, the Taj Mahal of brutalism

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The deal with Brexit, losing track of Gitmo detainees, the Taj Mahal of brutalism

"I'm Marco werman before we get to the show. We have some news when you make a gift to PR is the world. Now your contribution will be matched dollar for dollar. Visit the world dot ORG slash match to make a gift and thanks for your support vanished today on the world. I'm Marco werman. The Trump administration shut down an office that used to keep track of former Gitmo detainees after their release. Now, it's not clear where some of the former detainees our office had really done crucial work making sure that people they could in other countries or getting what they needed so that they return to the battlefield one of those ex inmates was tracked down in Syria and later Boeing added a new safety feature to its planes. But didn't tell the pilots bowling said. We did not feel that the average pilot would be served if he was inundated with this information. The result was a crash in Indonesia be blunt our lives, and our passengers that we protect every day count. Honestly airplane those stories today on the world. I'm Marco werman Andrew with the world. Good to have you with us. When's the last time you heard about get mo-? It's been a while. Right. Get mo- is the American military prison in Guantanamo Bay Cuba where the US terrorism suspects in the years after nine eleven including the accused mastermind of the two thousand one terrorist attacks holid- shake Mohammed. He's still get MO along with a couple of other dozen detainees, but hundreds of other former inmates are gone released under the Obama administration as our partners at frontline reported last year. The detainees have been scattered around the globe taking in under secret deals bodyguard for Osama bin Laden is now free after being held for fourteen years. None of the officials involved in these deals. We'll discuss the details. But most of the detainees were sent to Arab countries. Many of those former detainees were repatriated to their home countries. But some were not they were sent instead to third countries that agreed to take them in after negotiations with Washington, the US government used to have an office that kept track of release Guantanamo detainees. But last year, the Trump administration shut it down. Carol Rosenberg of McClatchy has been looking at what's happened to the former detainees since that office was closed. We reached her today in Guantanamo authors had really done crucial work throughout the Obama administration following up on the transfers keeping in touch with government coordinating through the Red Cross making sure that people they put in other countries to give them a new star. Life. We're getting what they need. So that they return to the battlefield and then based on our investigation, the Trump administration lost track of some of them. And we found a couple I want to hear about some of the stories, but just give us a big picture. What did you find? The first thing we found is that there was no one Trump administration to talk to about the follow up. We found that attorneys for these men who are trying to improve arrangements for the men who'd been settled, particularly in Europe. No one on the other end of the phone. We found that the Red Cross was probably filling the breach, but we got no response from the State Department when we would ask about what happened to these people the intelligence community went dark. So we went about trying to track them down ourselves. One of the things. I did is. I went and spoke to the former special envoy for the closure of one ton of mental ambassador Li will ask who had a raise these deals. He said it's one thing for them to decide not to transfer. There's right or wrong. But the office had been following up on these deals, and what he found was when he returned to private life as an attorney in New York City people were calling him to try to solve problems with transfers because there was no one on the other end of the phone at the State Department. He said they called him because they couldn't find anyone. So let's talk about a few examples. There's former captive Abu wile Diab. He's Syrian was released and was living in Uruguay until last summer. Then what happened to him? He vanished. The Uruguayan said that they had established that he walked across the frontier to Brazil and caught a flight the Turkey Syrian intelligence established that he was in south central Turkey, and they say going in and out of it lip Syria. Which as we say in the article is like the perfect storm of what the US does not want for a former Guantanamo detainee. They do not want them going to you know, a portion of the world where there's US forces. This man was held. The the tensions onto here at one time. Obey he was forced fed he made clear his enmity to wards the US military and the goal of these resettlements were to make sure people didn't end up in countries where there were US forces. And the other thing is is that we didn't find that. Every case was disaster. We didn't climb it it, you know, in all these instances, people return to the battlefield what we learned is that some of these deals made by the Obama administration were well intentions, but to countries that were completely culturally compatible, these are Muslim men for Middle East countries who may speak English, you know, don't speak most of the European languages, and in some instances, they just couldn't figure out how to absorb, you know, Carol, I keep thinking this thing. Trump said on the campaign trail this morning. I watched President Obama talking about Gitmo Guantanamo Bay. Which by the way, which by the way, we are keeping open with keeping. And we'll get a load it up with some bad dudes polygamy. We'll get a load it up. Yes. Oh, Carol with former detainees no longer on our radar screen with his office close. What's it like to be in Guantanamo right now, you know, it sometimes feels like the forgotten end of the earth? People don't really remember that there's a terror prison down here. And especially I have to say for those five Ben who in the prison who are cleared to go. It must feel especially so. Carol Rosenberg reports on Guantanamo Bay for McClatchy which owns the Miami Herald, she's been speaking with us from Guantanamo Carol. It's always good to speak with you. Thanks for your time. Thank you. Mark the prison in Guantanamo was set up to keep terror suspects out of the United States and out of the US court system won't concern being that if the detainees were tried in the US, they could become a security risk the secretary of homeland security overseas a lot of the country's safety. The current secretary to Nielsen is reported to be on the outs with President Trump. Why? Julia Qaim is here to explain Cayenne was a homeland security official under President Obama. We used to think during the campaign that the president's talk of a wall was, you know, just as sort of, you know, he didn't really believe in the wall. He couldn't think that immigration enforcement was that easy. And I think it turns out that he actually believes that. And so the challenges of enforcing a border and having lawful migration at the same time make him unhappy. And so he's focusing his. Are on secretary Nielsen. It's still kinda surprising because Nielsen has gone to the met for President Trump last June at the height of the White House is family separation policy on the on the US Mexico border and many Americans calling the policy in Hugh main and cruel and many of them fought Nielsen wasn't personally going to support it. But publicly she came out swinging congress and the courts created this problem in congress alone can fix it until then we will enforce every law. We have on the books to defend the sovereignty and security of the United States. Juliet AM was neilson's defence of the child separation policy. Believable know, she lied then. And she actually ended up having to I guess when we say unli- what she was saying at that moment secretary Nielsen became the spokesperson the enforcer, the enabler of the family separation policy. She denied to the American public that there was in fact, a policy even though everyone knew that there was and she failed. In basic management skills to properly assess and document where these children were going. So that when unification was necessary, we would know where the children are. It was so bad as just a pure management issue that almost several months since the separation policy ended there, so at least about one hundred children who are not unified. So there are these reports you may have seen that Trump is actually be rated Nielsen during cabinet meetings and actually started calling her a bushy. Yeah. What's that about? Well, she had been affiliated with the George Bush administration. She had served and the homeland security staff at the national Security Council. She had been criticized for some of her responsibilities during the Hurricane Katrina response and his frustration with the inability to get money for the wall. The inability to stop the caravan or just to stop the flow of people between the south the Mexico and the United States. He always blamed her as if as if one we didn't want that kind of mobility between mex-. Geico in the US there's most of it is lawful migration. And also as if it could be stopped by merely getting the wall the forces against the wall or much bigger than secretary Nielsen, including Republicans in border states who are not funding the wall. No one name that comes up a lot in discussions about a new head for homeland security is Thomas Homan former acting director at ice. What do you know about him, so ISIS, immigration and customs enforcement, home and was acting head in the early year? Maybe you're so of the Trump administration a true believer in the idea. That migration is really about unlawful migration takes enforcement. Very seriously not known to have a soft spot for any of the dramas or or concerns or humanitarian efforts. He will be a bull. And you think Nielsen is harsh the department is not just the immigration department. Although it seems that way now under the Trump administration is in charge of emergency management. Look at the fires in California of. Cyber look at the election hacking of secret service and protecting our VIP's. I mean this much bigger than a caravan or people coming over the border and Trump if he puts home in we'll have successfully moved to the department of homeland security from a focus on terrorism and other threats to a sheer focus on immigration enforcement that puts the homeland at risk in my mind. Julia a former official in the department of homeland security under Barack Obama now at Harvard. Thank you very much for coming in. Thank you for having me. Brutalism a style of architecture best captured in big boxy buildings made from exposed concrete almost prison like it was popular in many parts of the world from the nineteen fifties to the seventies. But one of its most iconic examples some would say unpleasant examples is right down the road from me here in Boston city hall. So how'd that happen? My WDBO colleague Edgar be Herwig. The third has that story in the mid twentieth century Boston was in a financial and cultural rut and needed a joke flush with forty million dollars in federal funds. The city cleared some thousand plus buildings to make way for a new government center. It centerpiece city hall was a bold ambitious statement in a W H TV special from nineteen sixty eight host Michael Ambro Sinoe gave a glowing review of Boston's new modernist structure and the sweeping plaza surrounding it. The present city hall, but it extends white into it city halls the backdrop, and we've got to look closely at it to sense the mood that it creates. You had to describe the mood that it creates here on the plaza. What would you say? Mildly oppressive to stern you know, kind of overwhelming. It's rough Chad building beautiful jail. Maybe. Thinking actually ugliest help. Now, you don't have to work hard to find opinions like those around here, and yet it will go down in history as one of the exemplar works of the twentieth century. That's Chris grimly architect and co author of heroin concrete architecture and the new Boston, and this is how he defines brutalism the style associated with buildings like Boston city hall. The quick definition of brutalism is. Well, there's no real quick definition. But if you wanted to pigeonhole it it's a building made out of concrete, that's very expressive in its design. Brutalism movement was a reaction to the rise of steel and glass buildings designed to be more honest expressive in heroin in grim. Lease is not just a local hot take bus than city halls. Something like the touch Mahalo. Brutalism Felix torture is a Berlin based architecture historian and a member of a group called SOS brutalism. They're dedicated to the study and preservation of brutalises architecture all around the world. He says Boston city hall may be the single most influential building of the entire movement the bus in city hall in particular is step list. A whole new building archetype buildings modeled on it or near exact replicas of it. When up throughout the nineteen sixties and seventies from a library in Australia to a public swimming hall in Norway. A Bank in the Dominican Republic. We have a philharmonic hall and curbstone the parliament in Israel. If you really see those Boston city hall clones in the next decade all over the world, and you can really own the stand those looking at the original in Boston as for that original grimly and his firm are now working with the city to produce a report on the state of the building on its golden anniversary Bill in what might be undertaken to conserve and renew it to ensure that it standing strong to be reevaluated in another fifty years. For the world. Edgar be her with the third Boston. What do bagpipes have to do with Brexit? We've got the free Reed. Leave e you connection next here on the world. Go to Omaha Steaks dot com and enter the code world into the search bar to get seventy four percent off Omaha Steaks family gift package now only forty nine ninety nine order now and you'll get four hand-cut age to tenderness top sirloin steaks to savory premium pork chops for chicken fried steaks for Omaha Steaks burgers for snappy, kill basa sausages, all beef meatballs for perfectly Brown potatoes. Au gratin for made from scratch caramel, apple tartlets. Plus get four more burgers for free again. Just go to Omaha Steaks dot com. Type world into the search bar and add the family gift package to your cart. Don't wait order today. I'm Marco werman. This is the world a few of you might love the sound of bagpipes. But I'm going to guess that most of you would rather not hear the wailing of bagpipes for very long. We get it. And you're in luck. Our next story is about the bagpipe business, and it starts in a workshop about fifty miles north west of here in Nashua. New hampshire. There was April PV paid a visit now Tom making two sets of our great Highland bagpipes shaping these injure the to the drones themselves. That's Richard Spalding operations manager of Gibson bagpipes Nashua. He shows me around the shop. I admit I was expecting to hear about pipes. It's amazing like with the machinery, it's just like regular woodworking. Lease all just lays the place reminded me of my dad's woodworking shop in our backyard when I was growing up homie. My dad didn't make bagpipes it's about eight working days to get two sets of pipes down. It's a small shop. Up with only four full timers and three part. Timers? Spalding says there are challenges to making bagpipes by hand in New England one it's a Scottish instrument. That's being made in America. When you have companies in Scotland we have to fight for our space in the market another challenge. The would Gibson uses African Blackwood for their great Highland pipes. You know, the kind you see it parades and funerals the smaller pipes are made of a tropical wood from Central America called coca bolo so much later colored would has a beautiful green to it. This is a very dense would but not quite as dense as Blackwood it gives a softer tone to it. So it's good for small pipes. That's Eric bean. He's in charge of quality control and product development at Gibson bagpipes. He's also a piper. So he can distinguish subtle differences in wood or craftsmanship is the difference in the tone sound it produces volume everything. Having to do with sound. I asked him to demonstrate. With the great Highland pipes. Really any of them. It's hard to tell being not being piper. But pipers, especially experienced ones can definitely tell the difference. Just sounds like bagpipes to me. Last year. The UN added both African Blackwood and coca bolo to its list of endangered species. The Richard Spalding says technically these woods aren't endangered shot like ivory. But they wanna they wanna start watching it before does become endanger make sure it's being harvested legally. And there's not a black market that goes on with that entails a lot of paperwork a quarter of their sales are overseas. It took an entire year for Gibson to get the proper permits to be allowed to export their bagpipes. They're not the only ones Alan wilder in from stealing bike paths in Scotland I met him this summer while on vacation of Hutt this show here for nine years. But if he making bike pipes for twenty four years. I helps you. Your video. Ellen Waldron restores antique bagpipes and also makes new ones using African Blackwood. So he's concerned about the paperwork to but he says he has a bigger worry, Brexit sink. Bricks is going to be the big problem where people were to send innocent to the European Union will be a much worst bagpipes and bureaucracy. A harsh mix that has no borders for the world. I may pro Peavy that story was part of our fifty states project looking at how the global economy is impacting communities across the US to check out all of our fifty states stories, go to PRI dot ORG slash fifty states five zero states. You heard the Scottish bagpipe maker there. He's definitely not the only one in the UK worried about Brexit and today the United Kingdom move significantly closer to making its divorce from the European Union. A reality Prime Minister Theresa may, presented her cabinet with a Brexit deal. She negotiated with e you leaders and later, she. She said her cabinet approved. It the world's Matthew bell has been following the story and he's with me here in the studio. So what happened Matthew? This was probably the cabinet meeting of Theresa May's political career lasted more than five hours, and in it, she presented a document. She said it was a compromise with the European Union almost six hundred pages long. This was finally her chance to kind of put some finality and certainty onto and a half years of negotiations for her cabinet members yet and getting to that compromise. So what is in this plan may said this is the compromise that will succeed because she says the European Union will will buy it. She says this is what the public voted for in two thousand sixteen when they voted for Brexit will protect British laws British borders, British jobs, she she explained earlier today. Hard line, Brexit, tears are not so sure there's a lot of skepticism including within her cabinet Marco. The biggest question probably is still what happens with the Irish border. This is what happens with the north which will remain part of the United. And then the south Republic of Ireland, which will still be part of the European Union. Yes. So how is that plan along the Northern Ireland and Republic of Ireland border going to work? Right. So they have sort of a compromise. You can call it. They're fudging it Northern Ireland will apparently stay in what's called the EU customs union. Centrally giving it a special status goods people will be able to cross the border with the sea. And with the land with the south. There's a key moment today earlier, though, Marco, and that was when the Democratic Unionist Party leader, this is a small party from Northern Ireland that Theresa May's governing. Coalition depends on Arlene foster is a party leaders name. Here's some of what she had to say today. Cirque NATO sent a pair that we would be able to support it because it breaches the red line in terms of having differences between Northern Ireland and the rest of the United Kingdom in terms of regulation. Obviously, we would still be in the customs union as well on. We of tough up, and Matthew I gather we did finally hear from prime minister may herself. What did Theresa May have to say about where Brexit is at right now. Yeah. After the cameras were there for hours looking at the number ten Downing Street door may emerge after dinner, but in time for the evening news. The company has just had long detailed and impassioned debate on the draw withdrawal agreement and the outline political decoration on future relationship with the European Union. I think it's safe to assume that when she said impassioned debate that means there could have been some arguing in that room. I'm also if you listen closely, you could hear the jeering and the protesters making a ruckus in the background. This is a hugely divisive issue in Britain. But Theresa May also said that her cabinet eventually agreed on the deal when you strip away the detail the choice before us is clear this deal which delivers on the photo of the referendum which brings about control of. Money. Knowles holders, ends remove -ment, but techs jobs security and all union old leave with no deal only. All no Brexit actual. So Matthew briefly. What's next? Well, the prime minister will go to parliament. And I think it's safe to say we can expect more impassioned debate. There was Matthew bell. Thanks a lot. You're welcome. Before we get back to the show. We have some exciting news. Pierre is the world is participating in news match a campaign to raise money for high quality independent journalism when you make a gift to the world. Now, your gift will be matched dollar for dollar listener donations help fund our staff of reporters and producers international reporting assignments and the equipment here in our studio that makes this show happen every day. Visit the world dot ORG slash match to make her gift and thanks very much for your support. I'm Marco werman coming up on the world. Hurricane Maria destroyed farms in Puerto Rico, Noah group of women farmers are coming together to make sure it doesn't happen. Again. Nobody else is going to help us. We need to help ourselves that story. Plus, why Greece has more than a passing interest in Brexit? Still ahead here on the world. I'm Marco werman. And you're with the world where a co production of the BBC World Service PRI and w h year in Boston. It's been a crazy day of back and forth over Brexit. And that's just within the prime minister's cabinet in the UK as you heard a moment ago. It backed deal today formalizing Britain split with the European Union. The UK is due to leave at the end of March. But there will still be more dealmaking after that. There's also some ancient history to be dealt with some in Greece thing Brexit negotiations may provide an opening for them to right. A historic wrong. Valerie, Hamilton has more. What would you do if you lost something that you really really wanted back, and then fate handed you away to get it war? We have no is the only up which unity in two hundred years to fourth. The return of the Boston models. That's Alexis meant they Akkas a founder of an international activist group dedicated to the. And on marbles sculptures that were carved in the fifth century BC for the Parthenon the most famous temple of ancient Greece for a lot of Greeks. They're hugely symbolic like an ancient statue of liberty. I'd as Shakespeare into England Saint Paul's cathedral. That's the late Greek actress and politician Melina Mercouri in one thousand nine hundred two thousand and Mabus our pride they had aided. The problem is half of the Parthenon marbles are in London more than two hundred years ago, a British Lord took them from Athens and sold them to the British government since then Britain has refused to give them back meant Thac is thinks Brexit is a good time to ask again. Oh side should say the chips. You know? We would like one thing from you. And that's have a Mabus back, the stolen looted Mabus. Here's his reasoning. The UK wants lots of things from the EU a clean divorce a trade deal. Will a cooperative future relationship, Greece? As a part of the EU wants something from the UK to there is no black, man. This is political bargaining. I mean Britain's drive now with Brexit. They're doing it all over the place. Here's how it could work. Once Brexit happens the UK and the EU have to negotiate a whole new relationship, the treaties that come out of those negotiations will almost certainly have to be ratified by all twenty seven. E you parliament's if Greece's parliament says, no there's no deal. Not everyone thinks that's a great idea Greece's one country. Valerie, and they're all how many countries in the European Union. And I'm not sure that they would be winning that this should be the boggling chick Marlin Godwin is with the British committee for the reunification of the Parthenon marbles. She wants the marbles returned to Athens too. As do many Brits. If you believe the polls. But as a European she skeptical about how black mailing Brexit might go over with the rest of your. Rope. And as a Brit. She says Brexit is messy enough already. This not many months to go. And this deal says so I didn't think that the Balkany chip of PayLess work of up is going to really make any difference to that trade agreement whatsoever. Legally Greece does have the power to throw a wrench into that post Brexit machine. The question is does it have the nerve Simon. Usher would thinks probably not he's deputy director of the think tank UK in a changing Europe. He says no matter how much Greece wants the Parthenon marbles back it's likely to care about its relationship with the EU more. Let's imagine everyone else signs off on this deal. And then it's just the Greeks holding out because by one malls. I think that would be a motive in some pressure that you own Greece to say you call hold this process up. Don't forget just a few years ago during the Greek financial crisis. There were people in the EU calling for Greece's own. Brexit uh Sherwood says Greece's out of the doghouse now, and it doesn't want to go back. So Chuck this one up to Greece's future over its past as the UK moves away from the EU, the Parthenon marbles will probably stay where they are for the world. I'm Valerie Hamilton, the outcome of all the Brexit dealmaking. And whether there is a deal in place next March could make a big difference from any Brits at their dinner table. That's because food distribution in the UK is tied to an international food system. And it depends on food imports from outside the British Isles, John Whitehead is one of the directors of the UK based food and drink Exporters Association. How and why would Brexit effect the food industry? Very badly. Because we import a lot of our foodstuffs in the foam of both ingredients and finished products, for example, in the wintertime, we import most of our salads ninety five percent of our lettuce is important. I guess in much the same way that you in the northeast of the USA bring your lettuce from California and Florida, right? It's due to seasons. So that's imports. Let's go to the exports because that's one of your main focuses. I mean, what exactly produced in the UK will no longer be exported to the continent. Well, a number of products are good to be very badly affected. For example, are fresh loan. We export a very large proportion of our loan to Europe, particularly to the French market. Now, we come before any delays customs. With fresh meat the meat. We'll go off when people will just note ship to phones to find other markets for it. Are there other markets that you can turn to that aren't in the EU to offset the loss where we would then nuke probably to the Middle East to the Gulf? We might look to across the Atlantic and shipped frozen meat to North America. Now in terms of seafood, the UK buying lodge exports. Most of the fish catches and imports a lot of the fish it eats because of species, and if there were hold-ups in our ability to export the fishing industry would be badly affected and likewise supply chain on fresh seafood coming in is going to be affected. I mean, I'm just trying to find a silver lining to this cloud. Locally consumed and produced seafood, doesn't that make some sense? Yes. It does. If we catch this species that the local consumers relate. But at the moment, we can't a very large amount of mackerel the market for the macro is to the far east where they prefer eating Markle to us in the UK. We get consumers overnight decide that instead of eating Icelandic or no. Jin code they'll start eating micro. Thanks, the problem and in preparation for a hard Brexit, or any Brexit, what our countries on the continent doing to prepare for this. I think that many food run you factors on the continent hoping it's not going to Humphrey. I think if I were a salad producer tomatoes lettuce fresh greens in Spain. I would be extremely concerned. And I would be looking at just wall time might be able to do because if there's any delays that we're going to see that lorries backed-up full miles and miles and miles with rotating dome vote, so Lawry's like trucks. John Whitehead is one of the directors of the UK based food and drink Exporters Association. Good to have you with us. Thank you. Thank you. You're welcome. Food clothing and shelter. The essentials. We stick though with food for this next story, it's about farms and farmers in Puerto Rico who were hit hard by hurricane Maria last year. The island's government estimated the storm wiped out eighty percent of the value of crops on the island. But soon after some small farmers began helping each other rebuild with a new focus on sustainability and resilience page. Pfleger has that story. We going to be. How maybe feed done half dead and high in the mountains of I've only in central Puerto Rico, a group of farmers drive pickaxes deep into the soil of guava orchard. They struggled to keep their balance on the steep hillside as they dig a trench called Swail. It's a way to retain rain water and reduce erosion, so you end up storing most of your water in the soil it self so the plants can access it whenever they need it. Dan, yellowed Andre gas based Sasa is firmer and I will need though, she's part of the que- Hedrick. Aloha equal. I've only Daniel small group of mostly women farmers who've been spending one day each week for the last year working on each other's farms Maria hit and it was an eye opener for a lot of people. And it was also a call to action. Like, nobody else is going to help us. We need to help ourselves. And how do we help each other right now there are five active? Arms in the of Crete though and often the members are joined by other volunteers from around the island. The group has been working together since the hurricane both to clean up and to help implement sustainable farming techniques. It gives us the opportunity to help out with like bigger tasks that need to be done. And also, it's not just any people. You have a bunch of farmers coming in sharing their knowledge sharing their experiences. So it's also served as a beautiful educational tool for us where we're teaching each other that we're the circuit is helping out on today belongs to Janet Gava. John the best bar from this Harragan crisis wasn't is that we get to organize to help each other to recover coverage. John is a retired chemistry professor and is relatively new to farming. She says working with the quick though has taught her ways to be more sustainable. I'm getting ready for the hurricane. But for the. Fine for the benefit of the whole ecosystem, these farmers have come to see sustainability as synonymous with resilience and independence. They hope that if they rely more on themselves, they'll be better prepared for the next hurricane where at least they'll be better able to recover and their science tobacco that sentiment firms resilience to extreme weather events. Like hurricanes has been linked to their size and diversity or has Rodriguez base. Lhasa puts it it's kind of like the classic. Don't put all your eggs in one basket. If a farm only grows one crop. And it's destroyed there's nothing left, but if arms biodiverse some crops may be lost while others might survive. Yup. Cook Cleo's farm is a few miles away on another small plot of land carved into the mountainside a couple of baby chicks and a few thin beds of fruits and vegetables dot the plateau and goes in diplomatic Oklahoma's enough. It would have been this. I love this show after Maria. We had nothing quite Hausa says she and her husband's support their family by selling produce at local markets, but the storm washed their crops their seeds and much of their soil down the mountain this que- toe has helped the family get new seeds and clear fallen trees members have also helped build banks and Swailes as a hedge against the next. Big storm the moment the AMI soda impersonal. Macy's on my own that would take me months quite houses. That's but with help and only took a few hours. She hopes that the extra hands and expertise of other farmers in the Senate quick though will help the family reach its goal of becoming a completely self sustaining far. But a him up on me. But I mean, I want to have. My own welfare water. So I don't need to rely on the government. She says, I want solar panels. So I don't have to depend on the utility in the. Those changes are already in place at Danielle Rodriguez. Basil says fireman eyeball Nate though after Maria. She installed solar power in during catchment system. And even before the storm the farm had diversified its crops. So that after Maria they still had fresh food. We felt like the richest people in the world to actually have greens on our plate was like such a luxury by sharing the foundations of sustainable farming Rodriguez baseless hopes she can help her community feel is rich as she did. When the next hurricane comes for the world page Pfleger. I don't Puerto Rico. Do the letters BT 's mean anything to you know. Well, what about this? That's the tune fake love one of the biggest hits by the Korean boy band. BTS one hundred sixty eight million listens on Spotify. As of this afternoon. These guys are a big deal all over the globe shoe, the facts and figures, that's my colleague, Adele Robbins, one of the music hosts on BBC one in the UK. So she knows what she's talking about the most famous k pop group. I really have to do this voice. A high sixty five country. Right. It's the Cates. Fifty on US. All right. So BTS is big. But as I say on VH one behind the scenes all is not well, a Japanese TV network cancelled the band's appearance on one of its shows after they found out that one of the BTS members have been photographed wearing a controversial t shirt, the shirt appeared to celebrate the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in World War Two. There was a picture of a mushroom cloud on the T shirt. Then came reports at some of the other members of BTS have been photographed wearing hats with a Nazi symbol on them. After days of silence a band finally apologized yesterday. It's management company issued a statement that said in part that the artists do not regard war or atomic bombs lightly. And that they had no intention of hurting anyone not clear yet, what this controversy will do to the biggest k pop and in the world, but for right now, and especially in Japan, it has dimmed their star power. A little over two weeks ago on October twenty ninth a seemingly routine lion air flight took off from Jakarta, Indonesia, thirteen minutes later, the Boeing seven three seven crashed into the ocean. There were no survivors. Now experts say Boeing withheld information from the pilots that may have contributed to the crash. Dennis Taylor is a seven three seven pilot. And spokesman for the pilot's union. At American Airlines, I asked him to explain what may have happened in the lion air cockpit. If I take what Boeing has described to us. They've linked the lion air crash to in aronie a away gauge alays the angle of attack gauge instrument that's on all aircraft. And that is the truest measure of what the wing is doing when this gauge fails, it triggers, an incredible amount of alerts and things that get pilots attention. But for the wrong reason, so confusion probably reigned really high in the carpet. You know, there's a human component, you know, just Amelie. Okay. Here's what we have. There's moments of processing what's going on while that's happening as described by bowling, and the FAA the aircraft is starting to take control of itself when that data stream that gauge is in sending proper signals that could trigger a nother automated system that we were not aware of that automatically induces the nose down direction without pilot input in a way that is completely counter to the actual condition of the aircraft in this new feature is not a problem in a sense that it's performing a function that is supposed to add additional layers of safety. But the first problem was we were not notified of this until just a handful of days ago as a seven thirty seven pilot. What was your reaction to the news? Well, initially, it was like I wonder if they did anything wrong in this. What can I learned from this? That has details come out, and we see these bulletins come out. And I got a lot more pilots at very high levels. Very experie-. Reinstating? Wow. Boeing in Wall Street Journal, article said, we chose against disclosing this information to the pilots because we did not feel that the average pilot would be served if he was inundated with this information. We're very outraged. By that statement now, I response was to be blunt. Go ahead. Try us our lives, and our passengers that we protect every day count on us knowing our airplane. And how extraordinary is it? That pilots didn't know about this new feature extraordinary enough for the FAA that dictate that the Billiton bullying set out to pilots is just a heads up. They re categorize it at his emergency directive. So I would say I'd let their words speak for it. It's got our attention. And I might add that Boeing not informing us of this for whatever reason, they became an outlier into safety culture. Trust is extraordinarily important in this. But that information now, we do have. And we're learning about how it actually interacts with the airplane. I needed to say. That because as difficult is this story is to hear the fact is the system works and the safety cultures back in check captain final question. I'm not a good flier. In other words, I don't like to fly. Should I be worried and other passengers like may should I avoid flights with seven thirty seven max eight or nine equipment. Absolutely, not the great news. Is you have an extraordinarily indicated team of pilots out there. And I think you can reach across the globe. There have one core issue in mind nets, keeping our passengers safe. And when we know all the information about that aircraft, then that brings the whole loop together. So I would not hesitate at all we fly them every day at this moment right now, our families around them. So you should know that the pilots got your back because we're on the airplane with you. And it's more than just our job. It's our call. Well, thank you for that. That was very reassuring captain Dennis tater, a spokesman for the Allied Pilots Association. That's the pilot's union. At American Airlines. He's also a seven thirty seven pilot, captain. Very much. Thank you. It's my pleasure. Finally today, the president of the Philippines Rodriguez. Do Tetteh is well known for encouraging extrajudicial killings as part of his so called war on drugs. And one reason he's well known for that is because of reporting done by the rap ler online news site in the Philippines. Now rap ler is being accused of tax evasion by Filipino authorities. Something rap ler CEO Maria wrestler, strongly denies Maria. Rasa joins us now from Malaga Spain. How are you reading this move by the government? Does it come down to you think the critical reporting you've been doing, absolutely? I mean, this is just a logical extension of the illogical nature of the charges against us. I believe it's a strategy of political harassment of intimidation to try to get us to stop writing stories that attempt to hold a very powerful government accountable. The tax evasion charges. Interesting because it comes several months after the tax agency gave us. Award for being revenue region. Seven top corporate one of the top corporate tax payers, really charged with tax evasion. This is the irony of it. Right. I mean, you can't there is a physical track record in the real world. So you can't just turn things upside down track record matters. So you're in Spain. Or are you going to go back to the Philippines to face these charges in court? I am definitely going to face them. Because I run a company rap lers a startup it is majority owned by journalists business interests are secondary to us even though we know we have to survive. But part of the problem is all of this also came out the government made this decision at a time. When rap ler is being honored all around the world for both our journalism and for standing up for press freedom. It's sad for me to see this happen because I was also there when we came out of martial law. I began my career as a journalist in nineteen eighty six with the people power revolt. Right. And now is the. Pendulum swinging back as I end my career where are we going? And I think it's not just the Philippines. It's globally the problems that we're facing in the Philippines. The exponential lies on social media, a very authoritarian style. President who has is our most powerful leader in the last few decades calling us fake news. That's not new right? You saying that down? So it was interesting because it was a week President Trump called CNN and New York Times fake news a week later. President detected calls rap ler fake news. I'm curious though. I mean, do is singling out you and lers taking similar steps against any other news organizations in the Philippines. It's almost like we all take a turn at the beginning soon after he took office in July of twenty sixteen. He I focused on the largest broadsheet the newspaper, Philippine Daily Inquirer shortly after that, the largest television station EIB ESPN was attacked by president detected. And just again last week. He mentioned. That they would not be getting bear a renewal of their franchise. So I guess you become the flavor of the month, for whatever reason part of the reason wrapped Lert is targeted right now is in terms of filing legal cases. In terms of intimidating us. In terms of the moves that the government has made. It's very clear that we are continuing hard investigative reporting. We are not going to be intimidated precisely because now more than ever the mission of journalism is very clear, we need to make sure that any any changes in the quality in the state of our democracy that are public knows what is happening Maria Rosa, founder and head of the Filipino. Investigative. News organization, rap ler media, great Dmitri Maria. Thank you so much. Thank you. That's where we leave. You today. We come to you from the non and Bill Harris studios at W H in Boston. I'm Marco werman till tomorrow. Our public radio international.

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Breaking this hour, the White House unveiling its plan to overhaul America's immigration system. But even some Republican senators are already saying, man Senator Kamla Harris says Joe Biden would make a great repeat VP the Democratic Front runner Biden now facing new punches from with his within his own party. As a new poll confirms Biden remains the candidates at be plus one. Southern states decision, today, sending shockwaves across the country, and along, the campaign trail that could lead right to the supreme court. This is CNN breaking news. Welcome to the lead and Jake tapper. We start with breaking news and the politics lead today, President Trump is finally unveiling what his White House calls a plan to revamp, the immigration system, that plan coming more than two years into his presidency. And after years and years and years of talk on it a tougher stance on immigration and undocumented immigrants being perhaps the defining and animating issue of the Trump campaign and the Trump presidency from day one. Bringing drugs. Bring in crime. Their rapists. And some I assume are good people, I am proud to shut down the government for border security. I could do the wall over a longer period of time. I didn't need to do this, but I'd rather do it much faster. President Trump assigned his son in law, Jared Kushner, a senior advisor to him to come up with this plan which Costner presented two Republican senators last night after months of work, but according to CNN sources some of these Republican senators were quote, underwhelmed with presentation and the policy. Let's go straight to C N N's Caitlyn Collins, at the White House and Kaelin. What's not in this proposal might be just as notable as what isn't it? Yeah. Jay, this is a plan that Jared Kushner has been working on for several months, and the White House is hoping it's going to be this comprehensive compromise that could actually get through congress. But now, the question is, if Republicans are going to support it. Let alone Democrats. We are calling on congress to fix our terrible immigration laws. Stop today, the White House finally making its immigration sales pitch that can be changed in twenty minutes. Twenty minutes if they want to change it. The Trump administration is hoping to overhaul the current US immigration system and turn it into a merit based one that prioritizes high-skilled workers secures, the southern border and potentially generates an estimated five hundred billion dollars in net federal revenue. It's a proposal President Trump personally directed, his son in law and senior adviser Jared Kushner to come up with. But officials who briefed reporters today said this is the president's proposal. They're pitching a merit based points system for visas, that would include a civics test and factor in age ability to speak English job offers an education and skill levels. The White House says the new proposal draws from immigration systems in Australia news. Zealand and Canada. But the plan doesn't address the massive influx of migrants at the southern border or other key concerns. From lawmakers there is no solution for dreamers, the undocumented immigrants brought to the US is children and shielded from deportation under Dhaka. There's no mention of family separations at the border and it doesn't address low skilled immigration, or what will happen to the estimated eleven million undocumented immigrants currently living in the United States. The White House says solutions to those problems will come later and right now they're focusing on rallying the party, Republican lawmakers have publicly praised the plan, but privately, some are voicing skepticism one senior Republican official who is in the room when Kushner, briefed lawmakers this week, said some were underwhelmed, by the plan, but Senator Mitt Romney said it was a very positive step forward. What I'm trying to do. Senator Lindsey Graham, an ally of the president who presented his own. Immigration plan today said Kushner's plan is not designed to become law, but his is now Jake the president is going to officially unveil this plan in a speech tomorrow. And right now, the White House says they're going to be open to any kind of feedback they're going to get from Capitol Hill and based on what our sources are telling us there's going to be a lot of it. At the White House. So let's dive into this with my experts Jeremy diamond. Let me start with you as a as an other White House, correspondent, you saw Republican Senator Lindsey Graham, there say that the White House plan is not designed to become law, as I understand it. This isn't a plan written in any way that acknowledges that the Democrats control the house. This is more of a, a proclamation of what Trump stands for right? That's right. And one of the words that we kept hearing from one of the senior administration officials who briefed us us this afternoon was, this is our attempt to frame, the debate to frame what our position as the White House as Republicans is going forward on this issue. I mean, keep in mind this administration for the past two years. And if you go back, even to the president's campaign, President Trump is known as someone who has these draconian immigration proposals who is known for family separations for that zero tolerance policy. Right. And so this seems to be an attempt really to try and recast what this administration stands foreign issues of immigration, or at least broad in the tens of what that is. It's not just secure the border. It's not trust these hardline policies designed to curb illegal immigration. It's also an attempt to increase legal immigration, something that the president hasn't spent too much time on now, the question is what happens now the president is expected to give speech tomorrow, discussing this. But when he's off teleprompter, what's he going to be talking about, is he still going to be focusing on undocumented immigrants? Is he still going to be focusing on criminals coming across the border? I think that's the big question going forward. And Jackie a senior administration, official tells CNN this integration plan intentionally does not address Dhaka the program, the defers deportation for young immigrants who were brought to the US illegally by their parents through through no fault of their own. What kind of plan what kind of immigration plan doesn't even talk about DACA, which is like one of the big issues and immigration and one, that's you know, I'm old enough to remember latte all the way back last year during the four pillars debate with when the White House. They're four pillars to the hill, and they Republicans put together legislation that went down in flames in part because they couldn't get backing from Trump. So Republicans are divided on immigration. The president hasn't really addressed that. So it, it just there's nothing for Democrats really to jump on board with you know what we've seen so far on this, and we are so we're going into twenty twenty election year, I just have a hard time thinking that this is going to be at grams or otherwise, I get any traction whatsoever. Your Lindsey Graham, Amanda, carpenter Lindsey Graham in the past has worked on big bipartisan immigration compromises today. He introduced his own legislation to change the asylum process, his plan would have imigrants needing to apply at a consulate or embassy in their home country instead of going into the United States and declaring asylum, at the southern border grams plan would increase the time that migrant children, could stay in custody from twenty to one hundred days in custody. Graham wants to make it easier for fish. To deport unaccompanied minors. This is really more of a Trump asylum plan than than at least the Lindsey Graham that we've known in the past. Yeah. I actually think Lindsay grams proposed reforms actually do something to address the crisis. But what's your Kushner is working on, like, who are you trying to fool the raging of gray over immigration has not been over the visa points this, it's been about securing the border number one, and number two, what are you going to do with the people there in Jared, Kushner sticking his head in the sand looking like, oh, we're doing something, but not actually doing it. That is a joke, if you're not gonna do anything on those two matters, just, forget it. And do the Lindsey Graham plan because there is a burgeoning immigration crisis record number people coming, breaking records, almost every day, you have border patrol saying, we can't handle these numbers, so you know, I give props Lindsey Graham for actually trying to focus in on that. But what Jared Kushner doing it's gonna get flushed down the toilet by talk radio in about two seconds and they should just. Clinician their time. Jen Psaki is somebody who worked in the Obama White House on this issue. What the Kushner approach is instead of, I think this is from talking to senior White House officials that instead of trying to cobble together things at one side likes, but the other side doesn't and vice versa, and coming up with a compromise that everyone can attack. They're coming together with their principals of what the president wants might this new approach work. Well, it depends on what you're trying to accomplish with it. I, I think there's no question. It's a political document. They're not the first White House to do that. But it is not a document that will get any democratic support expect most Democrats when they see this proposal will say, not just that they can't support it, but that it's heartless and discriminatory because the visa point system, suggesting that things like age in English proficiency, I requirements are not aligned with a who we are as a country and our values, and I expect, that's what Democrats will say. So if it is meant to try to show the base that they have a border, Bill or. That they have a border security Bill or have that talking point. And maybe try to get some Republicans behind it. It might accomplish that. But certainly, it's not something as you've said, that is meant to pass law passed muster, even as Amanda said. Democrats currently control the house of representatives. So you will need Democrats everyone stick around, we're going to keep talking twenty twenty presidential candidate Senator, comma Harris of California's throwing shade and it's not aimed at President Trump and then the audio of pilot confronting Boeing about the seven thirty seven max after the first deadly crash. But before the second one. Serve to know what is on airplanes. I don't disagree months later, a second seven thirty seven max crashed. And now FAA officials in charge of regulating that plane are in the hot seat. Stay with us. Hi, I'm Bill Kristol feeling confused about politics, who isn't. That's why I host my podcast conversations with Bill Kristol. I have thoughtful conversations with leading figures in politics and public policy we reflect on where we are. And we consider where we're going subscribe at I tunes, or wherever you get your podcast and check out our archive for conversations with guests like Mike Murphy, David Axelrod. Ron brownstein and Paul Begala. No spin no soundbites just thoughtful real conversations. Please do. Subscribe today to conversations with Bill Kristol. In our twenty twenty league today, the fight for the democratic presidential nomination heating up today. Senator, comma, Harris called out Joe Biden criticizing his defensive than one thousand nine hundred four crime Bill that Biden helped write and shepherd to passage progressive critics have assailed that law is one of the reasons for increased mass. Incarceration also, today, a brand new poll might concern the Trump campaign showing voters in Pennsylvania, crucial battleground favoring Biden over Trump in a direct head to head matchup into CNN's Leyla Santiago reports the poll also shows Biden dominating Democrats. Nice president Joe Biden prepares to officially kick off his campaign in Philadelphia this weekend. Three weeks after announcing his candidacy apologies. I am a union, man. The former vice president has solidified his early front runner status. A Quinnipiac poll released today in Pennsylvania shows by more than twenty points ahead of his closest rival for Mont Senator Bernie Sanders and he leads President Trump by double digits in a head to head matchup. Pennsylvania, not only were Biden was born, but Kiefer, Democrats state, they want to win back in twenty twenty which is why Biden's holding his first major rally there, Saturday, quite frankly, folks, if I'm going to be able to beat down Trump a twenty twenty it's going to happen here on the trail in New Hampshire today. California Senator, comma, Harris took issue with Biden's comments, Tuesday that the nineteen Ninety-four crime Bill did not lead to mass incarceration since mandatory sentences were set by the states, I disagree with him that crime Bill that nine hundred ninety four crime Bill. It, it did contribute to mass incarceration in our country. Here is also was asked about talk. She would make a strong. Running-mate for front runner Biden. Presumably, I think that Joe Biden would be a great running mate, as vice president. He's proven that he knows how to do the job for Democrats looking to break through crowded field. Many are turning to policy Harris today, talking about her new policy on guns and I'm announcing it. For the first time today here with you to take executive action to ban the import of a salt weapons into our country. And I should mention that President Trump is heading to Pennsylvania on Monday. And that kind of tell you, as I've been on the campaign trail talking to voters. Many of whom are showing up to meet some of the democratic candidates. One of the things I often, ask them, what are you looking for in a candidate? And in this, this weekend, I spoke to one Republican who was there to see Beddoe Warrick. And he said, I want anyone but Trump and the most important thing for him was integrity. Stick around. Join our panel right now. We're going to discuss all this in Jen Psaki. Let me start with you Biden claimed the ninety four crime Bill, quote did not generate mass incarceration. CNN fact check found that incarceration rates indeed rose from more than a decade after passengers the Bill, but experts do say it's hard to determine how much of that is because of the crime Bill itself. Is this really what he wants to be discussing right now is, is this a good subject for him? No, it's not. I, I don't think that doubling down on defense of the crime Bill is going to be his winning approach to this issue. So I suspect he's going to have to talk about work. He's done since then, or, I would recommend you talk about work. He's done since then changes that need to be made lessons learned, perhaps, and I think that's where the conversation needs to go. So I, I don't think that this is the topic. He really wants to be focused on, on the campaign trail in Amanda carpenter, Biden. Got some unexpected support or defense from President Trump's lawyer Rudy Giuliani who tweeted, quote the nineteen ninety four crime. Bill passed by President Clinton and speaker Gingrich with Biden and Schumer as the leaders in Senate and house helped me and the NYPD reduce murder from one thousand nine hundred a year to five hundred and then under mayor Bloomberg to three fifty this over twenty thousand lives. Save Joe, don't cave. So if it's not, if it's not a good issue for Biden in the primaries, if he escapes, the primaries, it might be okay for him in the general. I don't think you know Biden's crime. Bill would be a general election issue. But I think the more interesting debate for Trump right now. What are he attacked Biden or not? And I think he's right. Trump's path to the non or to the second term is so narrow is probably even more narrow than when you won the first time so of Joe Biden is a person that stands with his way in Pennsylvania. Why would you wait until next year to start attacking him for the style of candidate that Trump is? I think he really needs to start pounding on Biden now because he is so far ahead by that poll in Pennsylvania. So Trump's instincts are right, politically speaking. And I do think. Consultants heaven, you know, realized how narrow path Trump has to walk the second time. You guys all might be too young to remember. But in ninety five ninety six that's Bill Clinton did against Bob Dole. Just attacked him attacked him attack them to find him. Leyla, Santiago, let me ask you if Biden continues to be the front runner. More candidates are going to begin to draw contrast between themselves, and Biden, windy. You think we're really going to see the knives come out, well, listen. I think they're already starting to, to attack on issues. Right. When I was in South Carolina, a, we were talking about criminal Justice reform with Vito Aurora, and you really saw people cheer quite a bit when you spoke about criminal Justice reform, you've got sixty one percent of the electorate there for the two thousand sixteen primary election were African Americans so they're really focusing on those issues. But when they begin to attack each other, you know, we'll have to wait and see at least for federal gorge part where I have been following along. He has vowed not to do that. We'll have to just see how long that lasts Jack. Senator Harris Kamala Harris pushed back on comments about her being a good choice for vice president. Let's, let's play her. Full answer. I think that serve people wanna specula- speculate about running mates. I encourage that because I think that Joe Biden would be a great running mate, as vice president. He's proven that he knows how to do the job. And there's certainly a lot of other candidates that would make for me, a very viable, and interesting vice president. Obviously a little frustration there behind the behind the humor. Jackie because there's a lot of talk about because all these white men or at the top the top of the polls right now Buddha, judge and Biden, and Bernie, but what did you think of that? I, I mean, you know, it was a good way to reframe the her answer into making herself, the top of the ticket, and you're right. There has been a lot of stories out there about why women are nervous about having another women and men are nervous about having another woman at the top of the ticket, and whether or not that holds as we go on in the primary that remains to be seen, but it's definitely there below the surface and it's particularly frustrating for the vast number of female candidates in this race you know as well as the the more racially diverse candidates. So I it. But again, we're very early. We'll see if it holds Jeremy diamond when it comes to this new poll President Trump. Who you cover? You might have a new reason to be concerned in hypothetical matchup Biden leads President Trump fifty three percent to forty two percent. I believe that's among Pennsylvania voters, President Trump won Pennsylvania by less than one percent in two thousand sixteen that, of course helped deliver the White House for him should the Trump team. Be concerned by that. Are they concerned by that, well, and it's not just Biden? Right in that pull. You also had Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren both leading the president in this hypothetical head to head matchup. And so, yes, they should be concerned. And in fact, they already are, you know, we reported a couple of weeks ago that the president when he started attacking Joe Biden. A lot of his advisors were concerned about that concern that it would elevate the elevate, Joe Biden in the democratic primary giving him the oxygen that all of these twenty plus candidates are, are so seeking, especially when it comes to an election that's going to be defined by who can best go head to head with the president. But that's why the campaign we're already seeing them see the warning signs in the rust belt. See the warning signs in Pennsylvania and start to look to other states like New Mexico, like Minnesota that they think might be potential pickups, especially if they start to lose states like Pennsylvania, and Michigan, which helped him narrowly win in two thousand sixteen. All right, everyone stick around one state's new law, sparking nationwide outrage from some praise from others an almost definitely bound for a supreme court battle one that we have not seen in nearly fifty years. Stay with us. Tired of spending hundreds of dollars for prescription glasses. 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The Alabama ban passed the Alabama state Senate last night, and supporters of the ban believe that governor Kay Ivey will sign it, though, the law will almost certainly be immediately challenged and brought to court and this is a fight that could well land at the feet of President Trump's newly constructed US supreme court C, N N's. Diane Gallagher is in Montgomery. Alabama for us. Is a slap in the face to all women democratic lawmakers outraged. I think that we raped women last night. An abortion rights advocates calling for a nationwide response. Today, the Bill. It'd be the nation's most restrictive abortion law. Waiting to be signed by Alabama's conservative, female governor after it passed the state Senate last night by twenty five to six vote all those in favor Republican men human life has rights now. You end my wound. I won't you out. You don't control this. You don't own this, the Bill affectively bands abortion by making it a felony punishable by up to ninety nine years where life in prison for performing the procedure. The Bill does include very limited exceptions, such as serious health, risk to the mother Democrats attempted to add an amendment to exempt victims of rape, and incest. But that failed shoe get raped and have to have that child based on Alabama, low, just because we want to legislate morality, this fight now, potentially setting up a supreme court showdown. We may women of Alabama the model of the new Roe versus Wade. The UN Planned Parenthood of already said they planned to challenge this, in court, which supporters of the Bill admit is kind of the point. We'll never get a heartbea Bill to be constitutional until Rovers. His way is decided in reverse. And so, I think everybody understood that Alabama is one of sixteen states to introduce or pass restrictive abortion legislation, sometimes called heartbeat bills this year. According to the Pew Research Center, fifty eight percent of Americans say abortion should be legal in all or most cases for Republicans. Those numbers are flipped with fifty nine percent saying abortion should be illegal in all or most cases, this is a plan by the Republican party, make no mistake to overturn Roe v. Wade twenty twenty democratic candidates quick to condemn the Alabama Bill on Twitter and the campaign trail, calling it dangerous and unconstitutional. Now, if governor Kay Ivey does sign this into law won't actually go into effect for another six months. So she gonna sign it. Well, her office said, she still needs to take a look at it, and lawmakers here in Montgomery are pretty confident, but I want to take a look at history here, just last year after different Alabama abortion Bill was struck down by courts, either released a statement that said, in part, we should not let this discourage our steadfast commitment to protect the lives of the born, even if that means taking the case to the US supreme court Jake, she six days after that Bill rise on her desk to sign it. All right. Diane Gallagher in Montgomery, Alabama. Thanks so much. Joining me now is democratic congresswoman Jackie speier congressman. Thanks for joining us. What's your reaction to the Alabama legislation? It is a stunning example of twenty-five white men, who have never and will never be pregnant trying to tell women how they are going to live their lives. And it is a right to privacy that a woman has in conjunction with her physician as to whether or not she is going to continue with the pregnancy or not seven out of ten American women believe, regardless of their party affiliation that abortion should be legal safe and subject to a determination made by a woman and her position. Do you think that this supreme court with justices cavenaugh and Gorsuch is likely going to strike down Roe v? Wade. Well, I, I would think that we would have to wait to see. I do believe that what you will find is that if you thought the pink hats that women were wearing after the twenty six election and the three million women who marched around this country was a significant move. You just wait to this issue is put in front of the justices, and if they were attacked to overturn Roe versus Wade that is a, a picture, which you'll see women with pitchforks. So obviously, you, you oppose these heartbeat. Bill so called heartbeat bills in states, such as Georgia Alabama, Ohio. What do you make of the more liberal legislation on abortion, that has been passed in New York and Virginia that's been more controversial on the other side of the issue? Well, I would I want to say that these heartbeat legislation is talking about a group of cells four to five. Five millimeters with some electrical activity. This is not a human being at that point. But that is what they are now defining as a human being. And for those on the other side of the legislative arena. I would just say, again, this is about the right to privacy. It is inherent in our constitution. What if we decided that we were going to take male reproductive parts and start legislating whether or not, you can have sperm, come out of them? I mean, that is the detail to which these legislatures are taking action. And again, these were all white males in the Alabama state Senate Democratic congresswoman, Jackie speier, California. Thank you so much for your time. We appreciate it, is it the title. The President Trump has always wanted democrat Jerry Nadler comes up with a nickname for the president who is full of nicknames himself. Remember to create an ad like this one, visit pure winning dot com slash CNN. Welcome back, our politics lead. Now House Democrats today, suggesting that the Justice department is standing in the way of special counsel, Robert Muller, testifying in front of the House Judiciary committee committee chairman, Jerry Nadler, telling CNN that attorney general bar is quote, reluctant to let this happen. And that he is prepared to slap Muller with the subpoena. If necessary CNN's Maharaj joins me now live from Capitol Hill, and my new, how is the Justice department responding to chairman Nadler's claim? Well, just throw and says it has no problem having Muller testify before the House Judiciary committee. Attorney general Bill bars said that in sworn testimony, but there is a high degree of skepticism and distrust on both sides as tension builds on the from the here on the house. The Democrats saying today that it appears the Justice department is standing in the way resisting this during nether told me that eve me, very well issue, a subpoena for Bob mother's. Testimony at the same time Jake the White House came back to for quest that Jerry Nadler had to turn over. A wide range of documents pertaining to the Justice judiciary committee's probe into potential. Obstruction of Justice. The White House said, no, we would not turn over those records, because it said those records lack legitimate legislative purpose. It called on Jerry Nadler to drop that investigation and Jacobs earlier this afternoon, Jerry Nadler said he would not drop the investigation in the accused the White House as tweeting the president, like a king Jake. All right. Monty Roger on Capitol Hill. Let's bring the experts back, Jen Psaki. Here's how judiciary committee chairman jury now the responded to the White House, quote, this is the White House claiming that the president is a king is this fight over documents worth it for Democrats given. It could take months or even years to, to resolve itself through the courts. Well, I think the fed over documents isn't happening in a silo. It's a part of an effort for by Nadler and Democrats in congress to portray the White House, as obstructionist and refusing to partake in what is Congress's role there. Allegation, and their responsibility. I also think him going out there and claim in saying the department of Justice is holding back on Muller's important because something doesn't add up here. I mean, Muller wrote two letters, which he knew it'd be public. It seems likely he knew he'd be asked to testify bar said he would be open to it, but something isn't adding up and isn't going on. So I think what Nadler's trying to do is build this case, that they're being obstructionist so any issues the subpoenas and has to take harder action. There's an understanding of why. Say on that. No, I don't think the Democrats are going to win a process documents fight. They need to explain to the public. What is the information that you were seeking from Don Mcgann, Robert Muller and even done junior? If you read the testimony that say, Don jR gave to the hill versus what's in the mail report there, there is fuzzy nece. There's fuzziness on the scope and link of the Moscow Trump Tower talks. There's discrepancies between what Don jR said he told the Russians about meeting later, he went to congress and said, essentially, once the Russians brought up sanctions, he said, oh, my dad's a private citizen. We can't do anything meeting, ended whereas other people in that meeting have told Robert Muller that he indicated they could revisit it if he wins the election. And then the third thing that where I think there's a lot of fuzziness that can be explored or all the attempts that they tried to cover up to connect Trump and Putin during the campaign. And so if the Democrats can make it about the points of information, they are seeking, they'll be much stronger, but. If this is just paper pushing, you're going to lose. It's not paper pushing and it's Burr, who's asking for John junior. Right. I think part of the effort here is to get clarity on why they didn't make a conclusion on obstruction. And they need more information from the people who were there who talked to Muller, including more himself to draw some conclusions and make their own decision about how they're going to move forward, if they're going to move forward with impeachment or not. I think that's pretty clear or Germany. The House Judiciary committee has also subpoenaed, former White House counsel, Don Mcgann, what's the latest on that this is supposed to take place, I think next week is Mcgann gonna show up. Yeah. Well that's the big question. And if you look last week, the White House through the White House chief of staff, Mick Mulvaney, actually instructed Don Mcgann not to comply with that subpoena for documents. And so I think that going forward in this next week, we can probably expect to see something similar from the White House, in terms of Don mcgann's testimony before the committee wouldn't be a surprise, if the White House instructed McGinn not to testify in this. I think what's so interesting. And all of this is you're seeing a lot. Times you see the president say something, and it's not quite backed up by White House action. But we're seeing exactly the opposite here, where the president says, I'm gonna fight all the subpoenas, we're going to fight every inch of democratic oversight. And you're now seeing in this letter from the White House counsel. Exactly that rationale laid out for obstructing essentially not obstructing, but rather not complying with these house oversight committee requests and Jackie Donald Trump junior, has reached a deal to testify again before the Senate intelligence committee. The testimony is going to be limited in scope and length of the now infamous, Trump Tower meeting, and Don juniors knowledge of the possible real estate project in Moscow there on the table, but he can refer them to prior testimony. The testimony will be in private. It won't be public. It'll be limited to two to four hours. I think does this put an end to the issue. You think I don't think so because especially if, if we don't know the details of that meeting those questions that are still going to be out there for the public, but this is a win for Richard Burr, who we're seeing. A lot of criticism for his decision to try to bring in Don jR again. All right, everyone stick around new details coming up on what it would take for the US to go to war with Iran, as a top general from America's most critical ally raises questions about the alleged threat from Iran. That's next stay with us. The case is, we gotta find who wrote this. No. We do that. We find the killer this science defined out. Police used Luminol a chemical, which glows when it comes into contact with the iron component in blood that drama button. Where was the rifle and which man was telling the truth forensic files, the legendary true crime show is now a podcast. Join investigators as they take on the toughest cases with cutting edge scientific tools. Subscribe now with apple podcasts with new episodes, every Monday and Thursday, you'll never miss out on getting your forensic fix. Turning to our world lead. Now, the US at odds with a key ally. A top British general, disputing the Trump administration's characterization of the danger posed by Iran to American interests in the Middle East saying there has been no increased threat from Orion backed forces in Iraq or Syria. The comments from the British general prompted a stern rebuke, from the Pentagon, and as C, N N's, Barbara Starr. Now reports this comes as the White House is facing accusations from Democrats and world leaders that President Trump is trying to provoke you're on into war. Updated military options for possible war against Iran include detailed destruction up the regime's massive missile inventory, and air defences before moving to attack nuclear site. It would take months of build up and more than one hundred thousand US troops fighting from the air land, NC, according to U, S officials that option has been grief to senior officials, including John Bolton the national security adviser along time, Iran hawk vote would President Trump, who wants to reduce overseas troop levels, take the US to war against Iran. We have not planned for that. Hopefully we're not gonna have to plan for that the immediate focus get around to back off from what the Pentagon believes is a plan to possibly attack you as forces in the region. But so far, the US offering little to no public evidence. Would makes me skeptical is the fact that a lot of the intelligence that has been revealed so far seems to be very normal. The red line would have to be either an actual attack or no kidding. Actual information that they're about to commit an attack congressional members now, having to wait until next week for briefing from secretary of state. Mike Pompeo on the alleged threat. The Trump administration has not provided any information to this committee on the intelligence behind their, the citizens or what they plan to do in Iraq, or Ron, and I have repeatedly reminded administration of its responsibilities to this committee. All this as a top British general, the deputy commander in Iraq publicly, expresses skepticism. I'm concerned about the dating. No. Not really. In an extraordinary statement. The US pushed back saying, the general spews run counter to the identified. Credible. Threats are Ron supreme leader insists his country does not want war. There won't be any war with the help of God. Thank you. We don't seek. Now the Pentagon is adamant that the threat is very real. But Senate Democrats in fact, Senate minority leader Senator Chuck Schumer short time ago called on acting Defense Secretary Patrick Shanahan, the chairman of the chiefs of staff general Dunford to come to Capitol Hill and brief them on exactly. What is going on? What is the intelligence that is leading to all of this, and the State Department has now ordered a number of US diplomats out of Iraq, the tensions do continue to rise? Congress wants to know what is really going on. Jake Barbara Starr at the Pentagon for us. Barbara, thank you so much the recording of the moment, a pilot confronted Boeing about the seven thirty seven max. We serve to know what is on airplanes. I don't disagree. Now months later, some are blaming those who cannot defend themselves. Stay with us. The right sheets can take your sleep, and your style to the next level with Boll and branch. The upgrade has never been more -able. Every set is crafted from one hundred percent organic cotton. They get softer and softer over time. That's why they have thousands of five star reviews and even three US presidents have Boll and branch sheets. Try them for thirty nights. And if you don't love them, send them back for a full refund. 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That was the message from some during this tense hearing on Capitol Hill pilots trained in the United States would have successfully been able to handle this situation, but others pushed back the pilots were the redundancy. How the hell are you the redundancy? If you don't know something at issue, and automated stabilization system called 'em Cass implicated. I in a crash near Indonesia, last full, investigators believe it. Aronie Asli pushed that plane into an unrecoverable dive. What's more at the time pilots? Did not know the system existed. Now audio recordings released by the Allied Pilots Association. Joe American airline pilots speaking angrily with the Boeing official just weeks later, we serve no, what is on their plans to sue these guys didn't even DEM systems on the anybody else, I don't know understands was to someone change. Pilots union says of the meeting quoth, Boeing did not treat the situation like the emergency, it was Boeing did issue updated instructions after that crash. But then another plane went down in Ethiopia in March. And once again, investigators are pointing to impacts this cannot happen, again, the FAA is clearly unhappy with Boeing slow response to the initial problem and slow communication about a software glitch which prevented an alert system from functioning, it took, too long, those same F, A officials under fire themselves for regulation of the seven thirty seven max or all so, pushing some blame toward the pilots, even as they cautiously move for the seven three seven max will return to service only when the FAA's analysis of the facts and technical data indicate that it's safe to do so and these facts way over it all three hundred forty six people law. Lost their lives in these twin crashes involving American made jets and more hearings are expected, Jane. 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AvTalk Episode 53: Ethiopian 302 and the grounding of the 737 MAX

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AvTalk Episode 53: Ethiopian 302 and the grounding of the 737 MAX

"On this episode of app talk. We're joined by the air current editor in chief John Ostra to discuss the crash of Ethiopian Airlines flight three zero two and the subsequent grounding of the seven three seven max aircraft. We also get an update from the NTSB on the crash of atlas air flight three five nine one. And an update on the closure of Pakistan's airspace to most flights. Hello. And welcome to episode fifty three of talk. I am Ian PECH Nick here as always with Jason Rabinowitz, and we are joined by the air currents editor in chief John Ostra to discuss the week's events. John. Thank you so much for joining us again. It's very great to have you and your expertise back on the show. Always guess. Thanks. Good to have you back. John. Thanks, thanks. So our newly only story that we're gonna talk about this week. And we're gonna spend quite a bit of time on it since we do have John and in we're going to use his historical knowledge and subject matter experts to really dive into the crash of Ethiopian Airlines flight three zero two and the subsequent events have taken place around the world over the past few days. We're recording this on thirteen March in the evening UT time and earlier in the afternoon US time, the US FAA announced that all seven three seven max operating in the US to and from the US would be grounded. They were the last holdout of the regulators or Thorndike's that still had seven three seven max operators in the air following Canada's announcement earlier in the day. So as it stands now, all max 737, max eight and nine aircraft around the world once they land, they are no longer allowed to carry passengers rights. And if you haven't been keeping close tabs on it's been quite the whirlwind to get to this point. It started. I several days ago at this point with China being the first major country to ground the seven three seven max aircraft, both the eight in the nine and from there kind of balloon to a hodgepodge of countries and regulators in airlines independently deciding to ground the max eight nine and it finally culminated after a lot of pressure eventually President Trump himself announced that the US would be grounding, the seven three seven max, the FAA said they have some new information obtained from satellite. Data and investigators on the ground. We don't quite know what that is yet, but the seven three matches now effectively ground globally. So let's step back to Sunday the tenth of March where in out of baba Ethiopian flight three zero two departed for Nairobi and crashed shortly after takeoff. John. I want to kind of bring you into the conversation to get your insight on a little bit about what investigators are looking at in that crash and kind of the initial developments there. Yeah. Absolutely. So when if you've been airlines took off what we know so far is that pilots reported some type of flake control issue for spicy. What that means? We do not know at this point. But aircraft climbed to about check me your guys by Bebe leave. Two thousand fifteen hundred feet above ground level oddest already very very high above sea levels and notoriously high altitude airport a challenging airport to fly out of for that reason and the aircraft this parent loss of control and crashed on just six minutes after takeoff. So immediately that kicked off a very urge investigation to understand this event, but whatever possible link there might be to what went on Denisa on October twenty ninth with the crash of lion air flight, six ten. So certainly as you put those both in context you see two massive aberrations in an era of unprecedented aviation safety. And that is what is what really was precipitating the urgency by global regulators by China by Europe fight all over the world, ultimately culminating in the candidate and the US earlier Wednesday to make it decision to stand down the fleet as more more details scant as they may be at this point had become available. So the. The crash investigation as it stands. Now. The flight data recorder and the cockpit voice recorder are on their way from August to Paris where the French version, basically, the the NTSB or the UK a IB will perform the recorder debrief or analysis. They'll be opened in Paris. And we'll hopefully know more in the coming days once they reach their they're on their way are now the events of Sunday lead quickly to Chinese regulators stopping the domestically. They didn't necessarily outright ban 737 max flights in China right away. But they they said the domestic fleet was no longer allowed to operate. And that kind of as John you mentioned Jason you've mentioned kind of snowballed from there in a patchwork of airlines and and regulators kind of independently or sometimes jointly deciding that they were going to suspend flights came in Airways became one of the first and calm air. Ethiopian Airlines followed suit grounding their entire fleet. And then national regulators started saying, we're not going to allow the the max into our airspace, like, Germany, Belgium, Australia and was a whole right? And then the the EU issued in originally airworthiness directive and today, the FAA issued not an airworthiness directive, but in emergency order of prohibition in John. I wanted to ask you about this. I'm not familiar with this instrument of regulation. I can't say that that I I am as well. I think it's a rarely used tool in which I think underscores the seriousness of the situation. I mean, certainly this has put a halt to the seven thirty seven max operating in any kind of commercial fashion in US aerospace for the time being and I think one of the interesting parts about the order itself there actually several inches in one of the very interesting parts was that. The order doesn't establish criteria by which the airplane. You can actually be ungrounded, which I think is an important to keep in mind because as we get deeper and deeper into this investigation and understand what happened to to the opium flight in its potential connection to lion air that as you look at that. There's going to be a regulatory criteria by which you say, okay. We'll these airplanes are cleared to fly again. And if that has not yet been established a lot of that is sort of the the most amorphous part in terms of okay when the seventy seven was grounded back in two thousand thirteen no one knew how to get the seventy seven ungrounded. So Boeing went design redesigned the battery containment the venting system to get the airplane in a certified certifiable incompliance condition back flying again right now with these ongoing investigations, we don't know what that criteria is going to be Boeing has a software package that they're going to be rolling out. No later than April to make some changes to the very controversial. Control M casts at the center of the lion ER investigation. But beyond that there needs to be a demonstration to the flying public to regulators to airlines that this airplane is is safe and safe to operate in a in a in a commercial fashion. Yeah. I think this has been a particularly different incident than most of the past where most people they don't have any idea. What aircraft are flying on what manufactured is simply don't care, frankly don't need to know in this case. Now, everybody knows what a seven thirty seven maxes and they're looking out for it. I think out today they're making a filter just for it's on their website to to help people avoid it. I don't think it were possibly gonna get to the point where it's like the DC ten where it will be kind of Boeing never recovers from. Because this is the seven thirty seven you can't stop manufacturing. And it's the backbone of the aviation industry. So where do we go from here? Well, I think the other thing we need to keep in mind. And this is you. Take the micro context. Which is what is on those flight data recorders tells us what happened to eat the opium flight three Ocho? And then you look at the macro context. I think this is something that's really important as the rest of the world was making its decisions around grounding the airplane before the US decided to that this is an airplane that over four distinct generations, and countless small updates has been pushed in polled under grandfathered certification conditions and extreme cost pressures to deliver more and more and more with less essentially with less and less and less over time that creates makes your plan a product of its environment. You know in terms of how the airplane is was injured. And I think that when you look at that macro context, I believe the really does begin to explain why regulators globally. We're looking at taking the steps they were taking and effectively saying now waiting for the FAA to make their their very micro decision. But the micro data when the macro picture is you take that in the context of. Of a massive aberration in aviation safety in the last twenty thirty forty years. It did require a swift and decisive stand of of what they could control. So let's take a walk down memory lane. I think you posted a fantastic article yesterday about how the seven three max came to be and what the conditions were that necessitated, its engineering and its rollout. Take us a little bit through its history. It came to be and basically what roads trying to serve Boeing didn't want to do the 737. Max, I think that's really that's really important to remember. I mean when when when the time finally came to do it, it was a bitter pill that they had to swallow them said. Yep. It's the right decision for right now. We're going to go with it. It's gonna it's we're going to ride this horse the best we can put on a brave face in. So Boeing change on a dime in twenty eleven the eight hundred twenty Neo had just been launched. I believe the. The Fisher launching the three twenty Neo was believe December of two thousand ten. So by the time things were wrapping up on three twenty Neo orders. There's been a thousand order lead that Airbus had by the time Boeing actually made their announcement. And what what would force their announcement was American Airlines in July of twenty eleven. I was in Dallas when they made the announcement. It was an unbelievable thing. They said, you know, we're going to buy four hundred and sixty Boeing Airbus airplanes that was two hundred sixty Airbus's and two hundred Boeings, and it was a huge blow and it forced Boeing to win that portion of the deal they had to reengineer they had to offer Reingen version of the seven thirty seven the plans for a new airplane route Jim mcnerney CEO at the time. Just a few months earlier. We're yeah, we're probably going to do airplane. You know, we're we're not doing evaluations. But we're really our bias is away from reengineer plane so under those conditions under this, you know, the fear of losing market share fear of losing American fear of losing other. Airlines who are falling one by one for the eighth reach twenty Neo that they began this development. And so they made it work as best they could and it required design compromises in creative solutions throughout the entire process to deliver a product that did what they said it was going to do. But when you're dealing with obviously, a design that has been pushed and pulled over this period of time, you know, the risk is that that you push too hard and you make modifications to an airplane that lead to unintended consequences. And I think to some extent what we're seeing very much. So with 'em Cass and its interaction with pilots is that on an unintended consequence come to life. So those unintended consequences. I think what you're getting at here is that they had to put ever larger engines on the seven three which already had somewhat not great ground clearance. So they had to raise up the nose. I think eight inches or so and those much larger engines actually created their own lifts. And that is what this is tainted the need to have this M cast system were it basically is a system that when these engine is huge engines on board, basically create their own lift that makes the nose of the aircraft. When I go up, which increases the likelihood of an era dynamic stall that this system cast will push to nose back down when at the text that stall. And we're thinking that possibly could be what we're looking at with these two incidents will certainly we say definitively about lying there is that the system was malfunctioning the system say the system that fed data to Mt. S it was the is the angle of attack system which measures the angle of the wing in the air, relative to the the nose of the aircraft for the horizon. And so whether or not the flow of air, traveling at an appropriate speed. Joe centrally maintain aerodynamic left, and I'm sure I butchered that that description terrible is I mean, I think I just want to jump into kind of provided a description in one that everyone can kind of do at home. But when you're driving along stick your hand out your window, and then just kind of straighten level, and then move move your fingertips up, and that's increasing the angle of attack of your hand and you'll see more lift on your hand. But you get to a certain point where you lose the lifting your hand, not exactly the same. But kind of something everybody can do at home. I was actually a perfect illustration of it. It's it's you know, you certainly be able to conceptualize, but yeah, that's exactly it. So the angle of attack sensor tells you how high your wellness predict your hand is relative to relative to the flow of air. So if that is feeding bad data to the system and it saying, oh my goodness. You're you're risking stalling. It's going to activate the m caste system to give the pilot. What is? Supposed to be a similar type of handling at from the seven thirty seven next generation family is going to force the the horizontal stabiliser to trim itself until that knows comes down. So this self was working properly. It was the hardware that failed. That fed faulty information to it that failed precisely the question obviously on top of that. And this was as Boeing developed the what's called a fault tree. So essentially, so then statement, so if there's going to be a problem that causes a catastrophic failure loss of loss of control or Kinjo loss of the aircraft that there has to be certain things have to at you understand. What that fault tree looks like so on the one hand the one branch says okay, well, eroneous Ayla data angle of attack data's being fed 'em. And it's not working well that would necessitate a pilot reaction and the pilot is trained to recognize a runaway trim situation, essentially a failure of the trims system. They know how to deactivate that that is a memory. The item, you know, you don't run a checklist that's part of the normal operation training for the seven thirty seven. And ultimately that would stop the behavior of the caste system in looked at the probability of those two things happening at the same time, and that was satisfactory the FAA news at us factor to donate engineers that that would be unacceptable implementation of the system and how how it could potentially fail. The problem is, you know, a lot of what we saw with liner was that the media the flight preceding that happened to the data was feeding data the crew deactivated. It the the automatic trim system. And then on the next flight six ten the same thing happened. They didn't certainly there was a a lot of big controversy back in October November about whether or not pilots were aware of the caste system. A certainly those that pointed to pilot as a reason for for the two decimated. The response to the the defame. Day away data. Well, intern off it didn't respond to a properly. You know, certainly, I think when as we saw in the preliminary investigation out of Indonesia that there are these different threads. You know was never just one thing in in an era accident is whether it's maintenance the system was was faulty itself. The airplane did not have a away disagree indicator which was optional on the seven three seven. It grew was not aware of the caste system. Roommate have mishandled the response of the system in misreading, what was actually going on with with the airplane. So you see all these factors lining up? But then again, that's what it is. It's these these these individual factors that that it's never just one thing. So you have to address each each piece of it in terms of a response to it, certainly we don't know yet. What definitively happened in Ethiopia? But both of the circumstances would point to a lack of altitude available to to recover. Right. Every whatever whatever happened. There are things I want to dive in. To a bit more there. So we do not know that the European fight was a result of 'em cast. We want to be super clear that it looks similar to lion air. But John Kirk me from Ron we do not have any information that definitively points to 'em cast as being the culprit, we do not. But I will say that that certainly in the in the FAA's reaction to grounding the airplane today your Wednesday that they said there was new satellite. Data reviewed overnight that pointed to essentially a potential for a link between these two that there was data that caused them to activate this. Grounding order in there and just the being going to go data driven around this that they had they had the data to make the choice to say, no, we're standing down the US fleet. So that's what's going to be unfolding over the next several several days, but that indication toward toward a possible link certainly was big spur to to ultimately granting the airplane despite the. The fact that we don't know definitively. But again, you know, you just go by what date is available, and you inch forward little by little in terms of the investigation and also in terms of the macro picture around. How technology was implemented to make the max happen. And here we are. It was also very interesting to me in the in. The FAA statement today was the agency made the decision owes a result of the data gathering process. A new evidence collected at the site and analyze today. And John I was wondering if you might have any idea what that could possibly be the FAA did not say what new evidence was analyzed today on site. But that was a very interesting part of the statement to my ears. Now, it is interesting. But I have to convince I don't know it. I'm I'm quite curious about it. I think that's something that that over the next couple of days, we're gonna probably get a better sense of that. I think that I'm actually just pulled up mom, my notes in front of me and the exact wording from the FAA. Grounding order was a newly refined data from satellite based tracking of. The airplane's flightpath indicates some similarities between each three zero two and JT six ten accidents that warrant further investigation of the possibility of shared cause for the two incidents that needs to be better understood in address so that that is a major when you combine what you just said about about evidence found at the site combine satellite data that was reviewed in refined in the last day or so as become available. You you see is this inch forward that again has escalated this to to a truly unprecedented level. Yeah. So they did mention the satellite data, which was acquired from space-based eighty ADS b which has more than likely has a bit more Runtime than the ground based aid ESP that flight right or twenty four is currently using. But what doesn't sit. Well, with me right now is that what we have seen from flight radar and other sources from the ground base. They'd ESP is we've already known since the crash immediately happened that the profiles, look very very sick. Similar? I don't know what they've seen in satellite. What additional day there is? But when people have already compared lion air, and if the open the profiles, look, very very similar from basically as soon as we knew the aircraft had gone down. I think the these certainly have a greater level of granularity. I think that I can't help. But note that that today here, we are what, you know, recording this on on the thirteenth of March twenty one thousand nine exactly five years ago today, the world was earning about the satellite data that was left by h three seventy and I find it pretty amazing that that we're still in in an age where we're we're relying increasingly on heart to get data for accident investigations. And I'm wondering whether or not, you know, that we're going to be looking at this in a in a different way, and I wonder whether or not areas existence in its own, right? In theory are five years later and its assistance on this investigation. Actually is is a is an indirect out girl. Of what we saw five years ago. So I don't know what the level of granularity that that area on has. It's going what you see as increasing scope having to go to space to to begin to understand what is causing major catastrophic accidents that are still notably incredibly rare. So John when we were discussing the the incident, the kind of correlation between the ends at not correlation, but doom similarities, you mentioned the kind of some of the issues that investigators looked at with the lion air flight. And one of those was the we talked about Anglo of attack in the disagreement sensors that not not the disagreement centers, but the disagreement displace indicator that is available to pilots and if I'm not mistaken that is the sentence. 737 max that's an optional function or feature that that is available, but doesn't necessarily come on all of the aircraft. Is that correct? That. It is true. That is true. There are what I understand at least three layers of angle of attack indication in kind of protection, so an airline can can get again, this is an at least not not exhaustive necessarily. But they can get a heads up display. So glass display the pilots lookout projected with data directly in front of their faces. They don't look down. There's a there's an angle of attack indicator on there. That's number one. Number two. You can get the same PF de indicator on the primary flight display, which is the the big glass displays as they look down. Then the next piece is actually a disagree light. Which says that there's the data going into each of the two different sensors is not correct. And all three of those are optional and they are available at additional cost to Jaap writers lion air being a low cost carrier and operating with the a very light level of optional. Equipment did not have. Any of those three? So what we saw was interesting guardrail was not in place that have when they were taxiing out investigators that they were the indicators were already disagreeing by twenty degrees. So literally one thought the airplane had the nose is pointing in the air and the other had the nose pointing well level because you know, it was still on the ground taxing out had that been in place. It would have been an alert. There would have been an indication on on on the on the display saying there is disagreement that is not mandated by the FAA. It's not it's not it's not a deliver requirement. I would be extremely surprised if when all of this is said and done regardless of of what comes out of Ethiopia. And now that that investigation whether or not that becomes a standard feature on all deliveries all commercial aircraft liveries, and I think there's gonna be a number of hard questions that Boeing, and it's it's chief regulators can have to answer around. Why that was optional in the first place. So I'm reading the statement issued by the allied pilots. Association representing a fifteen thousand pilots from American Airlines, and they had a particularly interesting sentence. That reads two dozen 737 max aircraft in the American Airlines fleet are the only ones equipped with two displays one for each pilot, providing an extra layer of awareness and warning. And I interpreted that sentence to mean that they are saying American is the only airline in the world of seven three max airline operators that actually has the AMA disagreement displays could that possibly be correct on the I don't I I do not know like I said the PF d zoo. These are the indication on the PF is an option. But if you have a, HUD, you automatically you haven't looking straight looking straight ahead on it's still distracts me. And I hope this is something that is investigated. As particularly herbs him that such a basic safety indication could somehow be an optional feature considering. How how important em has become recently? And I assume this is something that Boeing software update that's coming in April will address, but it just does not sit. Well, with me that this kind of indication could be an optional safety feature. So I want to shift gears now and discuss a little bit about how the grounding of the seven three seven max unfolded both from a regulatory standpoint, which I think is is something a bit unprecedented. But also from I guess called an optical standpoint or consumer standpoint, and I guess we can kind of jump into the regulatory standpoint. Which is I can't recall a single instance where a hodgepodge of national regulators, a supra-national regulators and individual airlines all at various points in time decided that they were going to stop. Yeah. I mean, I my memory only goes back so far, and I feel like the last time this possibly could have been applicable is with the DC ten, but I don't know of any point in history where there was such a hodgepodge of airlines and regulators and governments and even the president of the United States saying this aircraft is going to be grounding grounded. It was optically in my opinion. This was horribly done that to have airlines in different countries on different days of the week kind of just grounded from their own country and then the airspace. It was it's a total mess. It was handled really poorly all around I think I think there's been a bit of a credibility hit towards the FAA. But John, I'm interested to get your opinion. Is there anything like this? Is there any precedent from this in the past? No there isn't. I mean the last time so when when the eight seven was grounded, I think the sequence of events is in. Portent term member. The there's the first battery incident in early January. And then I if I recall correctly, it was about seven to ten days later, the second happened on an an a seven and seven the first jail seventy seven in Boston and the second incident aircraft made emergency landing passengers and crew exited via slides and both airlines grounded their fleets. And so the first two airlines the biggest operators of of the seventy seven Jalen NA said. Nope, we're standing down almost immediately. After that, the FA ordered the grounding as well. It was a it was a very very it was swift. But they what they saw was immediate link around the battery incidents that there's a chance of this could bring down the aircraft. If if uncontrolled, but that's once again was was the airline making decision than than the FAA in. Other regulators followed shortly thereafter in this particular case there was to thirty six hours or actually says was like long thirty six hours probably before three. Days here to get to the point where they had enough information to say Senate down, but here's the here's the problem in this is the sequence of events. This is a factual events that that as bowling announced today that they were the ones who who recommended the stand-down whether statement said in that the FAA in the NTSB agreed with them round the records to stand down the airplane yesterday. Dennis Muilenburg, Boeing CEO was on the phone with President Trump saying asking him not to ground the airplane, so regardless but Boeing was asking for something for the opposite to happen yesterday. So here we are twenty four hours later, and there is a one hundred eighty degree difference. So that tilt that pressure. Because that's that's what the goal was. It was a request ultimately head other regulators saying we'll we'll know out of an abundance of caution out of the incredible aberration that something like this is in an era again in an era of of of aviation safe. Fifty that you stand this thing down and you take that precaution. So you know, certainly the FA that wanted to be data driven. They wanted to see that. There was a link between the two accidents potentially. But certainly again, micro versus macro the micro comment of the micro data being what's on the recorders. The macro is okay. Let's look at the the pressures that this design has been under over over years and say, okay, look at these suggests collaboration that it is and take action. So we're entering a period. I think of a great uncertainty until we know much more about this specific events sequence of events that led to the crash of Ethiopian three oh two. We have a global fleet of around three hundred fifty aircraft nearly four hundred aircraft that are no longer flying with fifty some operators. And until as we discussed a few minutes ago. We don't know what it will take to get the fleet back in the air. So Jason I mean, you're much more in tune to to the commercial side of things. I am would you see is the the effect on operations what if who's impacted here? And and what are the work arounds, so operationally the biggest operator of the senate's? I have maxed right now is southwest. They have approximately thirty five aircraft in. They're also dealing with a bit of a crunch with fleet availability as a whole as they're Kenna going through a tiff with their mechanics right now. So they have a large number of NGOs out of service as well. So southwest is gonna see quite a bit of impact American is the second largest operator. I believe of the seventy I just want to point out that as a side note in in a normal episode of talk the story of southwest versus their mechanics would have been a much larger portion of the show in this particular week. We'll just have to leave it there and come back to this aside so today. Yeah. So. So American will be able to absorb it. But they're also dealing with issues with their engine fleet. They've had a bunch of NGOs grounded due to some inspection issues with refurbished aircraft Air Canada has had to cancel number of transatlantic flights that operate with the seven three max Norwegian is actually substituting in seven eight seven that they somehow found available and they're sending that the Stewart New York combining that with the Providence Rhode Island flights, but most of the other airlines United. The Chinese airlines goal is actually borrowed don't two eight three thirty. I think they'll be able to absorb a good number if not all of the flights into their other aircraft, and there won't be much of an impact. There will be some impact with some like I mentioned with Air Canada where they do not have another aircraft that can operate that flight. But generally speaking, they're only three. Three to four hundred seven three Mexico craft out there in the world. So it's not like we're talking about thousands and thousands of aircraft. So airlines will figure this out. But it's keep an eye on your booking. I have a flight booked on Icelandair with the seven three max eight at the beginning of April. I'm looking to see what they're eventually going to swap that out too. If the grounding is prolonged, but operationally a lot of airlines will absorb this into the rest of their fleet. I don't forsee a huge impact. What's interesting to me, or the airlines that have really started rebuilding very small airlines that have basically started rebuilding their fleets based on the seven three seven maximum. I'm looking at you know, like more Tena has twenty five percent of their four aircraft fleet. Yeah. I mentioned in Sidley days. I said what is it gonna take to get Mauritania to ground there? Seven three max like you said there's literally twenty five percent of their entire operating, fleets and loan. Behold. They did not break. They're seven three max today. So they actually beat the US to grounding the max, even though they heavily rely on one single aircraft in Fiji which operates. I think to at this point scattered in Kazakhstan. Yep. Has one I believe you and ComAir took delivery of there's just before grounding them, right? So fortunately, the seven three max is just being introduced into a bunch of airlines right now. So it's not a huge operational impact. Jet Airways has been mentioned a number of times. But they they're seven three Mexes were already grounded before the VPN crash because of financial issues which again in a normal episode would have been oriented episode. Yes, I slammed. They're only has a couple in operation. They'll they'll throw some seven fives on the on the routes. Really the biggest impact I think is indeed going to be southwest some of the largest operator right now. So. So if you are booked on a southwest flight in the coming days, definitely check your flight information to see what is happening with that. So before we leave this I want to just kind of give some some things that we should be looking out for in the near future. And as we wrap up our discussion with John I just want to know that the last passenger carrying seven three seven max is on final approach to Newark southwest flight two five six nine is is about five minutes from landing the only other seven three seven max aircraft in the air are ferry flights. That are either returning from an outstation back to their home base or to a to another location where they will wait out the grounding. Right. So this. About to land. This was a southwest trends. Con fight those doings ists Oakland to Newark. And at John mentioned before we started recording. Actually this flight actually has inflight wifi and on top of that live TV streaming. So the passengers on this flight are probably aware that they are on an aircraft that is effectively banned globally, and they're on the last flight that is still operating. That's gotta be weird. Yeah. I I mean, I would feel comfortable on let me and I will say this. I would feel comfortable flying 737 max at this point. It's still weird. But yeah, I it'd be weird knowing that when you land that plane can't take off again. Right. Like, it's it's fine. It's fine. Or in the air. It's safe. Just it's never not take off again. 'cause it won't be said to an inch an interesting stasis to be in. But what I wanna do is kind of get some last thoughts from John and some things that we want to be looking out for. The most important thing as far as any crash investigation is concerned is certainly the the analysis of the flight data and cockpit voice recorders, which are they're on their way to Paris for inspection and analysis, and that'll be something that we're certainly following very closely. The other are kind of any continued updates from the FAA, especially as the certifying body of the seven three seven. And then additionally any updates from from other authorities in regulators when they see the 737 max coming back into the air, John. Is there anything else that people following this would be wise other than to you know, subscribe to the air current and read your reporting what else should people be looking out for for? So thank you for that. I appreciate the endorsement there. I think one thing that is tremendously important in the should not. I don't think this can be overstated really that any threat to the seven thirty seven is a threat to Boeing very existence. Taken to its extreme. If this is not handled in a way that gets resources confidence and trust in the airplane that this plane is the lifeblood of Boeing it pays for everything. It keeps the lights on and the effect of that certainly there's we're we're gonna do -opoly in. There aren't a lot of choices that are lines have. But in terms of the seriousness of this the 737 in the context of the Boeing company, the large US, listen guys, it's America's largest single exporter relies on this airplane to stay alive. So getting this, right? There is almost no margin for error here as this airplane is brought back into service and brought back into service in a way that it's operators global regulators. And ultimately, the flying public have competence them. This has been a thoroughly enlightening conversation with the air currents editor in chief. John ostra. Our John I want to thank you for being very gracious with your time today, and we'll certainly check in with you in the near future as we learn more. Thank you so much for joining us today. John thank you as always. We're going to take a short break, and we'll be back in just a moment to discuss the situation in Indian Pakistan an update from the National Transportation Safety board on atlas air flight three five nine one. And a few other things that have happened in the past couple of weeks. Stay with us. We'll be back in a moment. Welcome back. It's time to discuss some of the other things that have happened in the past few weeks. It feels like this began forever ago. But Pakistani airspace is still closed to most overflights were into the I think fourteenth fifteenth day of this closure. So I mean, we're we're we're definitely into the third full week of closure to most overflights. Yeah. A quick update. Yeah. Go ahead. I'm just going to say, I still quite understand. What is going on here? I just know that Pakistani airspace close to most overflight. So the end is causing some pretty crazy routings the happened around it. Yeah. So the overflights the Pakistani Indian airspace. Both of those pieces of airspace are very heavily used to the tune of about four hundred flights a day for overfly. It's transiting from mostly from Europe to southeast Asia. So think flights going from from Europe to Thailand over Vietnam or Singapore, or or even beyond to to places like a hostile sometimes depending on from where in Europe, they're coming, but those routes are currently closed the the overflight routes. They're still open or that have been reopened in reopened for a few days. Now are the routes that take aircraft from the Gulf airports? So Abu Dhabi Dubai Kuwait places in that region and kind of take them up to up into Chinese airspace. So flights to Beijing Shanghai in places like that those routes are still available, but there are all sorts of restrictions that we've been following for certain flights certain airports certain flights going to certain airports can't fly through certain airspace to get to other airspace. So they have to go through. Third airspace. And that's what ended up happening to a Thai Airways flight that was flying from Karachi home to Bangkok they got caught in not in jail, basically. Yeah, we were watching this flight take off and the way you get from Pakistan to Thailand is not by going west you go east, but east was not immediately available for this fight and air traffic control guided them out over the sea. And then they just kind of started doing circles, and what I'm told I've talked to a couple of pilots about this is basically they were given instructions to just keep turning left, and they weren't instructed to hold over specific point. But just keep turning lift and high winds over the c kind of drifted them back to the east. So they kept making these like roller coaster style loop de loop outback towards tax. It looked like the spiral is. Exactly kids. Toy was pretty damn confusing because you looked at it and say what the hell are they doing eventually, I guess they figured out there routing they headed back west. And it looked like they were going to divert Dubai, but they ended up turning back east again. And by the time they had really passed south of Karachi where they started from the already like two hours into the flight. Yeah. So what ended up happening is they end. It's still unclear to me why they departed on the routing that they did given that this information was available to them at the time of departure. So that that's part is still unclear to me. But what happened was is because flights from Pakistan cannot fly directly into Indian airspace. They have to go through third airspace a third country. And so what they had planned to do was fly through the Muscat FISHER. And then into Indian airspace because of all of the traffic that has been moving into the Moscow defy are they they've taken a bulk of that overflight traffic because it's basically moved south to avoid Pakistan. They said we're closed. You can't come this way. You can't fly from Pakistan to muskat, we're not gonna lay ASO. This seems like the kind of thing that they should have arranged before they took off and delayed take off his I can't imagine how much fuel they wasted holding son even delaying take off the what they ended up doing was flying through Iranian airspace to get around the not going from Pakistan to Moscow, the the F I R. So they flew into the Toronto yard, then they flew into Moscow. Then they got back on track into the the Mumbai f I r and on the what did they call? It a technical rerouting. Yes. So there were a couple of notams that that the most fire issued one was that they're closing the entry point the the way point to to traffic coming out of pocket. And the other is that they said that aircraft will be subject to tactical rerouting, which basically means you can file a flight plan will do our best, but because we're dealing with so many extra planes. You may end up flying further. And so it was basically a a notice that aircraft should tank extra fuel just in case they end up playing further which I mean, I'm not sure if the tie seven four seven needed extra fuel for this particular out or just had enough to begin with, but they eventually got home, but a few hours late. I still don't know what this whole airspace scuffles about, but hopefully, they figure this out soon in what's what's most confounding to me is the the daily. So there's the standing note him that gets updated. Basically once a day that says Pakistan air space is close to general overflight traffic here, some restrictions. These are the reports that are available, etc. Etc. And they just bump it back. By twenty four hours every day. And it's very unclear to me at this point. Why there have been, you know, political explanations in military explanations that that are less than satisfying to my ears. They don't necessarily explain the entire situation. Granted I'm not a an India-Pakistan conflict expert this all began out of rising tensions in aircraft that were shot down. But military later are craft. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. Sorry. That's an important point to make. And so that all began and tension seemed to have eased. But here we are with nobody, you know, nobody really budging Pakistan the other day, this is Wednesday the thirteenth I believe it was the eleventh tenth or eleventh said we tried to open up some airspace. Let flights go through. But India said, no, it was very passive aggressive note him, which is very interesting to to read and his India put out their own note him that said, no. No, you can't and in here we sit so things continue to to be maddeningly complex for flights. That are flying basically just west of Pakistan to India that have to go, you know, way out of the way to make make it to their destinations. What else happened in the last two weeks felt like an eternity? Well, the update that we have today yesterday and today is to the atlas air three five nine one crash the seven six seven cargo craft in just outside of Houston. The NTSB issued investigative update which isn't the final report. It's just a this is what we've learned f why? And so yesterday, they came out and described in some detail the final moments of the flight and some of the the flight control issues that the aircraft was experiencing in there. And so what happened was is that at about a few minutes before the. Aircraft crashed they had leveled off at about sixty two hundred feet. They began a slight climb to sixty three hundred feet the aircraft began to encounter a small vertical. Accelerations? These are the TSP words right now small vertical accelerations consistent with the airplane entering turbulence shortly. After when the airplane's indicated airspeed was steady at two hundred and thirty knots, the engines increased to maximum thrust and the airplane pitch increase to about four degrees. Nose up the airplane, then pitched nose down over the next eighteen seconds to about forty nine degrees in response to nose down elevator deflection. The stall warning stickshaker did not activate and that is an updated investigative update from the NTSB which the yesterday the language was not in response to nose down elevator deflection. It said in response to nose down control column import which was very distressing. In possible implication. Yeah, they didn't so much say why they think there was no down Calvin put with, but we were pretty much all inferring nothing. Good from that statement. Right. And so today there was a revision to that statement in response to nose down elevator deflection. Which certainly changes isg difference. Yeah. Exactly. It changes the the ideas behind what may or may not have happened. And so that's an ongoing investigation. Certainly. But it looks like investigators are well on the way to to figuring out. What happened now comes obviously, the the more difficult question of why it happened? And I'm sure they're looking at the wreckage is best. They can't now the other incidents that happened over the past two weeks was one in which thankfully, no one was injured. But rather stark photograph series of photographs came out of it in northern Maine. Yeah. This one is. Was her style main? I'm sure we'll get some paint mail about my pronunciation, viable say. I will say preference skate is get Chris, gay, whatever. We'll if you're from Maine if you're Mainur please podcasts that if our to his remainder. Yeah. That that one. I'm getting ready night there Mainers main their main Mainers may when I actually know what we saw in the news that a United Express operated by commute air. I believe yes. On forty flew into your lovely airport. Layer one Forty-five went off the runway into a snowbank that was probably damn near ice from what it looked like end, the landing gear ended up somewhere. It's not supposed to which is lodged between the rear mounted engine in the fuselage, which if you're familiar with an e one forty five is I think not where the lending gear goes is it definitely no. That is certainly not the location. Where the landing gear is supposed to be you. Don't want your left main landing gear between your left engine and injure fuselage, especially you know, after encountering a runway overrun. Yeah. So that looked pretty terrible. But thankfully, no one was injured on that aircraft might be written off. I don't know. It's an e one forty five. So who cares at the end of the day? Eliminate one another we'll take its place from the desert. But yeah that thankfully, no one hurt. But it just looks out look for dick Yetlis. I guess they hit a snowbank just in the right way that it sheared off the landing gear. And I I've never seen anything quite like into the engine. Yeah. It was I mean in in all in all seriousness. It's probably very good thing that it went up in in wedged itself. Where did rather than hitting the engine? So that's that's a I think a lucky break there. So this is Ben. An incredibly heavy episode. I'm one in which I think we've gotten an amazing amount of information, especially from from our conversation with John there's a lot to to kind of sift through over the next week or two in our next episode. Hopefully will know much more about what happened in Ethiopia, and and the fate of the the seven three seven max fleet. But I do want to end on a positive in Aggie note, just too. I don't know leave with something he got here already going. I'm going I'm going to going to the UK, and I'm going to say the land door seven four seven that British Airways rolled out last. All yet did is just a beautiful beautiful. It just looks bright. Like it belongs on their craft probably because that aircraft is so old that it originally wore that livery before. Four it was retro. You are correct, sir. Which is pretty amazing. But this is the third in the series of British Airways retro liveries. Are I was be OAC than we got B E A sorry. And now we have land or so we have one more to go. And which one do you think it's going to be? I hope it's Negus. But I hope they pick one of the wacky world tales from world's a while ago, whichever one people hated the most because I I love those take your pick. I think they were fascinating. But I really helping released for some reason just didn't like him. But I don't even I don't even know where where that visceral reaction comes from the land or livery does look really just looks. Like it belongs on that aircraft. Yes. So that the registration on that? And we'll toss it in the show notes is golf Bravo. November Lima Yankee G B N L Y. So we will. Put a link to that one in show not. So that everybody can can take a look at that episode. Fifty three a full one one. I hope that everyone is a bit more informed about the situation. I know I am. It's always good to talk to John. And we'll certainly have to have him back in a future episode as things progress. I am impetuous here as always with gesture Rabinowitz. Thank you all for listening.

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March 11, 2019: Hour 2

"Support for here. And now comes from legalzoom presenting this message with over seventeen years and more than two million customers. Legalzoom provides helpful support legal advice and transparency for business. Owners. More information at legalzoom dot com slash now. High here now podcast listeners. This is Peter O'Dowd. I've got a favor to ask of you. If you could just take a few minutes, go to here now dot org slash survey. It's all one word can tell us more about yourself. It's gonna take less than five minutes in your feedback will help us improve this podcast here. Now dot org slash survey. Answer just a few questions again. It's here now dot org slash survey. And thanks from NPR and WB. You are I'm Peter O'Dowd. I'm Robin young. It's here. Now as expected the president released a new budget proposal today it slashes domestic programs in State Department funding, well, ramping up military spending. And it includes. More than eight billion dollars to fund the border wall. Even as the Senate will probably vote against the president's emergency declaration at the southern border as soon as this week, which promises to be another event. One on Capitol Hill and pure White House. Correspondent Mara Liasson is here Maura. Hi there. And let's listen for a second White House. Economic adviser Larry cudlow defending Trump's request for border wall spending. This is on Fox News Sunday. I would you say that the whole issue of the wall and border security is paramount importance. We have a crisis down. There think the president has made that case very effectively. It's a crisis of economics. It's a crisis of crime and drugs. It's a crisis of humanity. Polls show. Most Americans don't think the president has made this case there's certainly issues at the border, but not maybe that would be addressed by the wall. This is an uncommon. You know, you've been telling us for a budget to be DO way. But so what is the significance of it? The significance of the wall is very high for the president. This has become the number one priority for him. It's almost a symbol of his presidency. And of course, that has helped have Democrats see stopping it as a symbol of their opposition to him. But he believes that even though the border wall is not popular with a majority of Americans certainly shutting down the government or declaring a national emergency to fund it is even less popular. But with his base, it's very popular. He considers it a core campaign promise, and he wants to show his supporters that he is doing everything possible to build that mean another government shutdown though, that far we don't know. But it certainly could sure. Okay. Well, the president also propose these dramatic cuts mentioned to domestic programs to rain in the. The ballooning federal deficit. But you know, that a lot of chatter over the weekend seems to be that no one seems to care about the deficit as they did in the past. I think both parties have really given up trying to wear the mantle of fiscal responsibility. This used to be one of the Republicans core beliefs, but Donald Trump cut taxes by a lot. And he raised the deficit on his watch more than any of his predecessors in his budget. Now, he does have some cuts to domestic spending, which I think he will point to to say he's trying to do something about the deficit. He's got the EPA down by thirty one percent State Department down by twenty three percent military spending is up, but the deficit is just not an animating political issue. The way it used to be and don't forget the president actually campaigned on not just getting rid of the deficit, but getting rid of the entire national debt. Take a look at the other side of the Democrats beginning this week last week. And what with with what was seen as a real fumble on that? What was supposed to be an anti semitism? Resolution that became a much broader resolution against hate Democrats. Also, having trouble defining themselves as Republicans happily redefining them as socialists, some of the presidential candidates are democratic socialist. But that means things like government run health. It does not mean Karl Marx, but they seem not able to define themselves. I mean, what's your sense of Democrats this week? Well, I think that Democrats are having trouble defining what they mean by socialism. We know what the president mean, he he's labeling Democrats as the party of socialism, which he means, Cuba and Venezuela. He says Democrats want to nationalize industry and have the government run everything. Most Democrats want a strong social safety net. That's what they mean when they respond, positively to socialism, they wanna foreseeable healthcare in college and retirement and housing, and this is something you're going to hear a lot about on the campaign trail. You have Elizabeth Warren talking about how she believes in markets markets properly. Regulated Bernie Sanders, of course, is on the other side. He does have a proposal that would nationalize the entire healthcare industry released the health insurance industry. So this is something you're going to hear Democrats talk a lot about I think that right now there have allowed the president to define what socialism is. But I think as time goes on you're going to hear them get more specific about what it means to them. And just to remind ourselves emergency declaration of the Senate vote is expected this week for Republicans still saying they'll join the Democrats in voting it down. That's right. It probably will lose in the Senate, but the president will veto it. And there are not enough votes in the house or Senate to override his veto. So then the whole fight moves to the courts, which will go on for some time. So it's interesting that he's asking for eight billion dollars more for the wall in a budget. That's landing on Capitol Hill exactly in the same week. That the Senate is about to vote down his emergency declaration to build the wall with money that congress has not appropriated NPR's Mara Liasson. Thank you. Thank you. Now to the serious questions raised today about the safety of Boeing's new seven thirty seven max airplane after an Ethiopian Airlines flight of that model crashed Sunday with one hundred and fifty seven people on board. There was a similar deadly lion. Aircrash in October on the same type of plane officials say a central factor in that crash was a new anti-stalking flight control system. Joining us now is Dennis Taylor. A pilot for American Airlines and a spokesman for the union. He also flies the new seven thirty seven max eight captain, welcome. Thank you, push your here. Now, it is still far too early to know if the cause of this crash is the same as that Lyon aircrash last year, but what's your reaction are you suspicious? Absolutely. Clearly, we have to wait for all the facts that come in. But it did happen in. Similar flight regime and had characteristics that are early some similar to the liner incident. But it does not mean that that is the automated system that kicked in we weren't aware of prior to lion air kicked in. So we are waiting all the details, but just like any human experience or pilots are humans and they're starting to call the question. What information don't I have in? You're referring to the fact that Boeing had left out the information about this new flight control system from its manuals. I assume for this new plane that is correct from the pilot manual what we study and prepare for the information was absent it was zero. Can we talk about some of the clues that we do have in this crash in Ethiopia a witness described the flight as swerving and dipping before it crashed? And it also does look like that the altitude fluctuated a lot during the few minutes that the plane was flying are those the characteristics that you mentioned that that sound similar to you. Yeah, they do sound similar. There's no doubt about it. But it doesn't necessarily mean that this was the the issue that that caused the crash to happen. So we're going to get that information. And we're gonna move from there with the facts are pilots are asking those questions. Now, they're asking about additional training. They're asking you about what information they may not have that they thought they should have had before. So it's very stressful time for men and women out there, but they're going to hold the standard of having a safe aircraft for our our passengers they hold that calling very high because we're on that airplane with our passengers, no no mystery about that. Sure. What about the training? Have you gotten any new training whatsoever on how to fly these aircraft should others beginning? Unfortunately, the FAA certified this new aircraft in the US. We had fifty six minutes of an ipad lesson for some of the differences. So we've asked for more training American after the lion air incident provided us immediate ground school training on a new system, which was helpful. But we employed them to purchase simulators. So that we get hands on experience. They have a purchase simulators will be getting them later this year and start training on them. And we look forward to additional simulators. Through the coming months, but you're saying you were trained on an ipad. And that's it. What does that even mean? Yes, we received an ipad lesson. Fifty six minutes long, basically slides and some audio to describe some of the differences on the seven thirty seven max. Because at the time the FAA and still to this day approved that as the required training for pilots. We found it to be certainly the absolute minimum. Our pilots have been out there flying the aircraft. I've flown it. And I felt comfortable, but it's taken a lot more time, and you have to be very diligent in what you do and do a little a quite a bit of pre study. Well, let me ask you if you were confronted with this situation in a cockpit during a flight where the anti-stalking system kicked in and you were fighting against it, would you know, what to do. I would now I wouldn't have known before lion. Aircrash well because I had no idea that system even existed before the line aircrash. That's the difference today are each and every one of our seven thirty seven pilots knows as soon as these things kick in where to go to stop that runaway system, China and Indonesia have grounded their fleets of seven thirty seven max, eight jets should the United States be doing the same thing. I think we have to clearly look at it. We're we're not in a position to say whether that should happen. But clearly every stakeholder is talking about this. So we want to take a disciplined approach to it. But not let perfection getting away of progress. So this is about protecting passengers and crews and the land underneath the aircraft that the aircraft fly over. But certainly you could understand the flying public at this point might be getting nervous if they step on board a Southwest Airlines jet or an American Airlines jet that it's one of these new seven thirty seven max aircrafts. They're going to be nervous. Sure. Absolutely. There's going. To be a there's a shaken confidence in that. So you have to rest rest assured that un-american in south west, we know them, very, well, those pilots highly trained, and we're up to date now on the system the system that you spoke of, but we're out there as a defender in an advocate for our passengers. And we're asking those hard questions, and we're asking them from a basis of expertise. So we're going to get through this. And we're not going to be quiet about it. And we're going to render our opinion, we get the information very strongly because we're on aircraft with our passengers and our task is to protect them at all costs. That's Dennis teacher who flies Boeing's new seven thirty seven max eight airplane for American Airlines. He's also a spokesman for the Allied Pilots Association, captain Taylor. Thanks for your time for Sheva. Thank you, sir. And what's it like to come face to face with a great white shark? Will Bryan scary is one person who knows as a National Geographic photographer. He spent more than ten thousand hours just a few feet from the animals in two thousand seventeen he published a book of his pictures aptly, titled shark I spoke with him then about how unlike most wildlife, photographers, he's usually within touching distance of his subjects, you know. I don't know that most people think about that. But as an underwater photographer, you know, I don't have the luxury that my terrestrial counterparts do where you can use a six hundred millimeter lens or maybe sit in a camouflage blind for month waiting for some allusive animal. I have to get into the ocean unlimited by the air supply on my back and got to get real close. How close right on the lens practically, you know, t to get great pictures particularly of animals like sharks, you need to be close to the ocean. Axes at giant filter. It it refracted light it reflects light it scatters light. And usually need to add a little light to bring back color and detail. So, you know, three feet is ideal between your Cameron the subject, but sometimes even closer, and I asked that because you have to get close to animals that would terrify most people there's a section in your book written by Eric Vance. And it's about great whites. And I want to read a little bit about it. He says that meeting one in the wild is nothing like you'd expect at first glance. It's portly bordering on fat, like an overstuffed sausage from the side. One of the world's greatest predators is little more than a slack jawed buffoon. It's only when it turns to face you that you understand why it's the most feared animal on earth. Yeah. Is that what it was like for you? Well, that's a very interesting description. I spent time in the field with Eric, and I was sort of amused at that description, but at times, yeah, I think you know, with the great white that is accurate. But he's absolutely right. That when you're sort of nose to nose with an animal like this where you see it sort of a protein you from that head on view. You know, you're you have this primal sort of reaction. I think so how do you handle that? Are you always in a cage? I'm only in a cage with great whites. At least. That's my sort of protocol. There are people who do choose to swim with great whites without a cage. But so far I haven't seen that as a really good thing to do. But, but you know, it's really the only species everything else Mekos blue sharks tiger sharks. Whatever not in a cage. And and that's because number one for photography. It's better to sort of be out there, you know, having more mobility, and and being able to move in and get close, but it's also a testament to the animals that the that, you know, despite popular belief, they're really not nearly as bad as they've been portrayed. Is there a time that you've been down there and you've felt in danger? Well, there was a there was a moment on an expedition. I did a five week expedition. To a place called the southern line islands. One of the most remote Korea systems in the world and the central South Pacific also like going back in time. So these coral reefs were probably like the rest of the world was hundreds of years ago, and they're very predator heavy lots of sharks. I was dining when night at millennium atoll at well not night, but just at dusk at at sunset and my sister. And I ended up being sort of surrounded by probably in excess of sixty grey reef, sharks sharks rebuke animals, but they can have a bit of an attitude, and they were you know, aggressive. They sort of will come in hot as I say normally if an animal does that you can sort of bounce it with your camera a little bit, and they usually deterred, but you hit the shark with your camera. Yeah. They'll come in and sort of bounce their nose off it in. And if you push back a little bit they usually deter. But in this case, they weren't doing that the lead shark was doing like a three sixty coming back in and behind that was five and behind that was another ten, and you know, it wasn't a it was. A situation. There's an alpha like in a pack of dogs. It almost seemed that way I don't know the science behind that. But that's how they were sort of behaving kind of like, I envision a wolf pack. But again that is totally anomalous. That's not my usual experience that one experience versus countless that were very benign and good when you're taking pictures underwater. What's it like to get perspective? Right because you're working in this very foreign backdrop where you probably don't have a lot of ways to reference size and scale, and yet that's a really important part of taking pictures of a shark that is so good. And and rarely I dunno ever have. I been asked that. But it's true. And I talk about that in the book as well that you know, to the degree that I can do it. I want to show sharks within their world within their habitat. Whether it's a coral reef or a temperate zone, or whatever it might be a mangrove nursery where baby sharks might live. But I do think that context is very important to human understanding of these animals to to see them. Something more than just this, you know, villainous shape up in the blue void. Sometimes it means having a person in the picture to give scale or shark cage or some reference point that we can process in our brains and say, all right. That's shark is about this big. And you know, but it's an important part of the equation. And it helps frame the context of these animals and their world and conservation is actually a pretty big part of your book, especially near the end. And it's a little disturbing actually because you've taken images of people as soon there poachers of some kind or hunters that are cutting the fins off of sharks. And I assume the bodies are also just sort of left on the on the beach to rot the staff that you use is that industrial fishing is responsible for most of the one hundred million shark deaths every year one hundred million. I mean, how is that possible? Yeah. It's hard to fathom really. But it's it's not only possible. But it's been going on for a long time. Most researchers that I've talked to about this say that it could be. A conservative number that the number could be as high as one hundred and seventy or two hundred million largely for their fins. Are we talking about, you know, soup in China, or is that's exactly what we're talking about? Yeah. The shark fin soup trade, but they're also being harvested in many cases for low cost sources of ingredients for cosmetics and many different products out there of, but the fin trade is the biggest offender, according to everything that I know and to your point about poaching in many cases. No, it's it's completely legal. What these folks are doing, and, you know, countries sanctioned it so big part of my work as Ben to sort of show these animals as something far more than villains as demons. They've often been portrayed to show that they're complex that they have personality and that they are important to the health of the ocean. If we can get to a point where we can see their magnificence, maybe we can move that dial away from from killing them, you write that the population of the ocean. White tip shark had never even heard of that animal before is. Is down to one percent of its historic population. How endangered is that species? And is that the most endangered species? I party question. It's extremely endangered. It's on the brink of extinction. This is an animal the oceanic white tip shark, which is pelagic animal lives out in the blue water of the deep of the ocean. An animal that has to be especially efficient at hunting and good at what they do as recently as the nineteen seventies. This is an animal that was listed by scientific literature as the most abundant large animal on planet earth large, meaning anything more than one hundred pounds. So it went from the nineteen seventies being the most abundant large animal on planet earth to being on the verge of extinction today, mostly hunted for their fins, not unlike the passenger pigeon, or what we did to the American bison almost wiping that out. So it you. Yes, it is critically endangered. It is on the verge, and that's a substantial loss in in. Just a few decades. Is that the most endangered? I I don't know the answer to that. I I certainly think that they're probably. Others in that same category. But it is it is without question. One of the most endangered, and I think that story speaks volumes. It's fascinating because these animals have been on earth for four hundred fifty million years. They've they've survived five mass extinctions on this planet and yet generally speaking now, they're having trouble. Yeah. That's right. And that's part of the story. You know that they have been around so long they've remained unchanged for millions of years hundreds of millions years because they have evolved to be perfect for the environment in which they live. But yet these anthropogenic stresses that are current today. Obviously, the the overfishing in the hunting bid habitat loss and pollution and plastics. And all the other things that are happening in the ocean. The oceans dying a death of thousand cuts, and it's affecting sharks. But everything else. But can you understand why people are afraid of them and why it might be hard to drum up sympathy sharks? Because as we're we're children were taught one of the first things we're taught his that they can bite through. License plates in cans of paints, and you go to the beach and when you're a kid. That's that's the first thing you're afraid of when you go into the water. Well, absolutely. And this is the premise from which I started knowing that, you know, I too as a child was taught those things and believe those things, but I've come to see a very different view of these animals, and I do think that we can respect predators in the ocean. Just like we do grizzly bears. Or Tigers lions, you know, all these wolves whatever we understand their magnificence. And I think what's been lost to a large extent with sharks? Is that complexity? We we don't necessarily see them as a majestic creature the way, we do a pack of wolves in Yellowstone, you know, but I think photography can conserve that purpose, and it can help people to understand that a shark is not a shark is not a shark that each species is different. They have unique biology's they have unique morphology, and if we can see them as something incredible. You know that a Mako shark can swim sixty miles an hour. Our is into thermic it can generate heat knits body. And that a great white the great whites off Cape Cod. Live to seventy years old. And they have these enigmatic patterns that we don't fully understand you where do they go where do they what wisdom might they possess? And then again, you know, making that connection to a healthy ocean are healthy lives to humans. I think that's all part of the equation. That was National Geographic wildlife photographer. Bryan scary. I spoke with him in two thousand seventeen we'll have pictures from the book at here now dot org, and we went looking for other shark news. And what do you know, we found some it's taken thirty years, but university of Rhode Island's shark researcher, Bradley Wetherby is finally named the shark species. He discovered in the nineteen nineties the deep sea creature has been dubbed Leyla 's lantern, shark the bio luminescent shark is three feet. Long lives a thousand feet below sea level has a prominent snout that distinguishes it from other lantern sharks? He named the shark after his daughter Layla who is presumably not. Essence though, full of light in other ways. I'm sure. Here. And now is supported by legalzoom to want you to know that if you wanna make twenty nineteen year you finally start a business or secure your family's future. Legalzoom can help with their network of independent attorneys. Licensed in all fifty states legalzoom can help you navigate your legal needs from wills and trusts to LLC's trademarks contract, reviews and more. And the best part is legalzoom is not a law firm. So they don't charge by the hour. More at legalzoom dot com slash now. It was a rare moment last night the Federal Reserve chairman Jerome Powell sitting down for an interview with Scott Pelley on CBS is sixty minutes bowel. Repeated the message he related to congress about two weeks ago. The US economy still looks pretty good. We have high levels of employment, low levels of unemployment wages are moving up, but Powell also touched on problems with the US economy like cyber threats and why so many Americans still aren't working. Let's bring in Jill Schlesinger. She's business analyst with CBS news and host of Jill on money. Hi, Jill and loan. So the two things people most want to know, especially after this really crummy jobs report last week just twenty thousand new jobs in February is the economy headed for a recession, and is the fed gonna raise rates what I have to say last night. You know, the chairman base that they said that the economic outlook is really pretty good and forgetting about that one report, and that job creation number he continued to describe this as an economy with low inflation, which is very good for most consumers. He's very happy about the fact that people are getting jobs and with the second part of your question. The fed is now said it's going to be patient to see about what goes on around the world with the economy, but they're pretty much on the sidelines right now. So I would not expect any rate hike anytime soon a lot of economists believe that they are done for the year, and maybe for this whole rate hiking cycle. There was also this interesting moment when? Scott Pelley, asked if the United States will ever again see sustained four percent growth in Powell said, no, it's not likely because the labor force is growing. So slowly Jill weigh in on that because we know the Trump administration would really love to say otherwise about that growth rate. Yeah. I mean, I think that three percent was great last year. What we now know is that we've slowed down already this year. And what hell said is that look aren't we the labor force? That's growing pretty old at this point back when we saw four or five percent growth rates in decades ago, we were seeing a much quicker growing labor force. So now with an older population. We just cannot expect as much I think that three percent is about as good as it's going to get and pal seemed to indicate that as well. He says right now with the labor force growing at just less than one percent a year. We're not going to see that three percent or even four percent growth anytime soon, and it's not just that the labor force is aging that a lot of young people aren't working Powell. James technology, outpacing education, you mentioned globalization and even the opioid crisis. Here's more of that interview. I mean, you seem to be talking about part of this generation being lost. That is the issue. Jill lost generation. Really? That's very powerful. Yeah. I found that to be one of the most compelling parts of this interview. And I think that's got did a good job in kind of going down that route because we're talking about the economy doing well, and certainly Powell talks about the economy doing well. But there are a number of Americans who have not participated, we noticed this in areas that are specially the rural areas of the United States that have not kept pace with some of the big population centers, and it's all well and good for Powell to say it's about education, but that seems like cold comfort to those who have been shut out of economic growth recently because they can't go and get educated. Right. This second when fed chairman talks markets often move. What are you? What are we seeing today? Anything? No. I don't think that there's. He said anything he really didn't make news. I think the biggest thing that he did say which raise some IRAs was that. He's worried about cyberterrorism more than anything else, Jill lessons, your business analyst for CBS news and host of Jill on money. Thanks so much. The CDC estimates that every year in the US twenty four thousand pregnancies and instill birth some expected and for medical reasons mother's still have to deliver. Anyway, some shock all profoundly sad until recently. These infants were whisked away stunned parents told you can have another let thinking has changed. There are support groups parents are encouraged to mourn their stillborn child. And now they may have more time to do that because of a device called a cuddle Kat. It's essentially a pretty bassinet the stillborn child appears asleep in it. But underneath there's a refrigerator unit to preserve the child's body. So that parents can preserve some memories. This is a very tender topic. It may not be for everyone and a cuddle cop may not be either. But it's so helped Emily and Chris Frick after their boy and girl twins were still born at twenty two weeks and four days that they've donated these nearly three thousand. Dollar cuddle cuts to hospitals in Illinois and want wanna do more. They join us now from Pingree grove, Illinois. Emily you there? Hi, yes. I'm here. And Chris you're there as well. And so tough we so appreciate your talking about this for other parents, but I'm imagining it's it's it's still hard, Emily. Dear Emily, can you hear me? Yeah. I can hear you. I'm just trying to get my words out. I'm so sorry. Yeah. Take your time. I think it spent about six months now. And this still very difficult to talk about at the same time. Chris, and I do still like to talk about it because it brings awareness to people who don't understand the situation. We didn't know that this could happen to people before it happened to us with it being our first pregnancy. So if we had maybe been able to hear somebody else's story before we could maybe a little bit more prepared. Yeah. I don't know that any you know, anything Canada. He what you're saying. And what you're saying to maybe about the cuddle cod about the possibilities, and Chris obviously so sorry for both of you. And when this hit you like, a, I'm sure an and Ville, did you have any clue that you could do some of these things that thankfully, people are talking about hold your twins, for instance. No, not at all. We I learned about the cuddle cut from her delivery nurse who was was wonderful huntings Britney. She was with us the entire evening. And we knew that are twins probably weren't gonna make it just based on. They're just asional age. What we didn't know is that we would be able to spend really as long as we wanted with them. And we got to spend that I diverse hour hour and a half with them. Just kind of holding them telling them how much we loved them. We got them Pap ties while they were still with us the cod. Afforded us the paternity for all of our family to also be able to hold them be able to you know, kinda get get to know them as much as they can. And just kinda agreed with us with the twins in the room with us. But everybody holding them instead of just being able to give Emily, and I hug, and I thought that was really. Impactful in its is said that there's a lot of hospitals in the country that don't have one. So there's a lot of parents that approach losing child without having that immediate support right there. And and of course, family is supportive, and the doctors are supportive, but there's nothing like being able to just hold onto your child for just a little bit longer. I just wanna stay with that feeling of being able to be you know, with the twins longer. I think of my own mother who, you know, had several children whisked away, and she would talk about her arms aching, you know, physical ache can can you can you help people understand why this isn't ghoulish to you. Which people hearing it might think it is. No. It is something that is definitely a decision that you have to make with between you and whoever your you had the child with or even if you're just on your own to stay with your child even after they've passed, but the opportunity to be able to do that the cuddle cut offers is. At least it's an option for people to do that in spend time with their children or child if they didn't want to use it they didn't necessarily have to. But at least it was offered in that was something that was important to Chris and night when we were doing the donations of the cuddle cuts to hospitals. We chose was that they agreed to at least offer it to every family that had a loss on give them not to spend time with their what their baby or babies in. If they didn't want to use it then they didn't have to. But at least it was available to them. If if they chose to do it, can you explain how as your husband has what it meant to you. I mean, it may not be for everyone. But what did that mean to you to be able to hold them? I think for me it was. Like spending a lifetime with them in a few hours. And I'm very glad that we made the decision to do that. I wouldn't trade a for anything. Will you have a go fund me account in their honor our boys name, Silas, girls, the civil? Yeah. And that that's important too. I mean again back in the day parents were told don't name these children. Don't, you know, don't get too attached to the idea? But what is this meant that not just naming baptizing? I'm sure you're going to tell your future children about them. What does that mean to you? You know, for me, it just it makes them human because they they are they were you know, they were here with us. And we had just bought a new house shortly after finding out that we were pregnant I had picked up of pain for their nursery today that Emily actually went into into labor with them. Obviously, not knowing we had just decided on their names about a week or two before I think it was a week before they were as much a part of our life as any other child, and I sincerely mean that even if they're not here with us. Now, you know, I I really do feel like carry them with me every single day. I wish it was in a different way time, I'm driving to work. You know, I bought a new vehicle, and I always thought about what it's like to have them in in my truck with me and every single day when I'm driving to work or I'm driving home from work. It's pretty much all I think about and so. So, you know, you're right. A lot of people in the past, you know, heaven named their child that has has passed, and that's okay too. But it's also K to let a child that didn't make it still be a part of your life. You know, it's okay. To to still carry that child with you in. You're absolutely right. We will tell our future children about them. Because it's not something that it's not a story that were shy about sharing. It's it's important. It's important for for us to carry them with us. It's important for other people to know that they were here, they're part of our family, and it's important for people that we don't know to know that there's other people out there that can help support them. That's Chris Tucker. An Emily flicker their boy and girl twins born at twenty two weeks four days and the Frick return to something called a cuddle Kat. We're going to have all sorts of information at here now dot org, including their go fund me site such an important conversation. I will tell you this just from the front lines. We still talk about my brothers twin who didn't make it. Her name was Wendy seventy years ago. I mean, we've we plan on telling or future kids about them. You know, we it's something that I don't I don't ever want to. I don't ever want to forget about any of the emotions that I felt or. Yeah. I mean, that's just it's it's okay. That some people do want to forget about that. But that's that's not. That's not. I wish you both the best. Thank you for some identical to. I hope I hope that helps we're about halfway to being able to donate a third. And so I think this'll be able to help with that. Emily, chris. Thank you so much. And we wish you the best. Thank you. Thank you rabbi. And we have linked to the gofundme page and the cuddle cut here now dot org. Each year fishing boats. Pull billions of Pollock from the Bering Sea a billion dollar industry. Sustains thousands of well paying jobs from boat captains and deckhands to the processors who transformed Pollock into oil fish paste. And yes, fish sticks. But the Bering Sea is warming up in the future for Pollick is uncertain net. Hers of Alaska's energy desk took a trip on a fishing boat. To learn more. It's just before midnight is Captain Dan Martin steers the one hundred thirty three foot Commodore out from the Alaska port of Dutch harbor around a spit into open waters of the Bering Sea. It's calm now. But Martin is already pushing his engine to cover the one hundred miles to the fishing grounds. A little faster than usual. He's in a hurry to beat some bad weather. Oh, it's imminent, you know, ten to fourteen foot seas. But it's going to be right on our bow coming home. We're going to be pounded into it. Martin has been fishing for Pollock for more than three decades. And he has a pretty good feel for where to find them. He now manages a fleet of nine Pollock boats for company called evening star fisheries. Sure enough by the next morning. The sooner shows the Commodore camped out over a thick school of Pollock from the bridge. Martin uses a PA system to coordinate with four man crew on deck as they start pulling in the net. Paula girl. Low-value fish Martin's catch will sell for about thirty cents a piece, but more than one hundred thousand of them can fit into a single net load on the Commodore they'll ultimately be processed into things like fish, sticks fillets fish, sandwiches, and Sereni that fake crab stuff that you can sometimes find in sushi, it's a major industry responsible for more than ten thousand jobs. According to the McDowell group and Alaska based research firm, but it's also directly dependent on the stability of the Bering Sea ecosystem and Martin says that lately fishermen have been noticing some changes in that ecosystem. I think across the board. Everybody has a story about something that they haven't seen before winter is the season went Pollock or spawning and fishermen seemed to be able to find them pretty reliably. But there's a second fishing season in the summer. And that's when things are starting to get a little funny Bering Sea temperatures last year. Whereas. As much as nine degrees higher than normal and federal managers tracking Pollock and other fish found some unusual things Jim UNLV is a federal fisheries. Scientist two thousand eighteen there were lots of weird occurrences in terms of fish, showing up in places. Like, our survey found a pretty high density of Pollock way in interior Bristol bay. We was really unusual never really seen that before. Those Pollock were further to the east. Emily says that fish were also discovered farther north than expected Martin the Commodore captain had his own unsettling experience when he was fishing in an area called the horseshoe. Typically, the fish stick close to an underwater shelf there and murder knows it as a relatively safe spot where he doesn't have to worry about accidentally catching king, salmon, a huge. No, no for Pollock trawlers. But last summer Martin found himself falling the fish ten miles off the edge. But I just kept falling my shown. Are farther and farther farther off, and it was like kind of get into the deep end of the pool. You know, you're like, well, you know, don't have my water wings, and I haven't been this deep before. So that as as the fish change behavior. You don't you don't have any historical values to weigh things against even if Pollock continued a farewell in the Bering Sea Martin is worried about what could happen. If more of the move out of their normal areas to places too expensive for boats, like his Tariq and requiring major changes in the way, the fishing fleet does business. Back on deck. The crew members wrangled the Commodores net bulging with Pollock then they pump in water to flush the flopping fish out into the boats, hold it takes just a few hours to fill the Commodores, hold with more than two hundred tons of fish in the boat is back in Dutch harbor barely twenty four hours after it left. This is Martin's thirty fifth year fishing. He's already made a good living from the Bering Sea. But younger fishermen are sticking their careers on Pollock sticking around for decades longer. Derek Justice a deckhand on Commodore from Washington, I one fishing to pays way through school. But then he made forty thousand dollars over the course of a few months that plan for college. Nope. New mega. Justice at just twenty four years old is already making more than one hundred thousand dollars a year. He wants to work his way up to being captain of Pollock boat. If climate change makes it impossible for him to keep fishing Justice says he thinks he can take his skills to a related field like on a cruise ship or tugboat, but that would cut him off from a family tradition of catching Pollock. That's pretty much. All I know. So yeah, I mean, it'd be pretty devastating to say. The least it's something I can't fathom. But just this tries not to spend too much time thinking about the warming bearing sea mother nature is going to take. 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602 The Life of a Pilot

"This is the airplane geeks. Podcast HURRY MS to educate and inform you explore and expand your passion for aviation into entertain. You a little along the way this episode. We talk with Chris. Manno about his forty two years as a professional pilot. I with the US Air Force and then with a major US airline. Chris has written an airline pilots life which captures his military and commercial careers in the news. We look at industry. First quarter losses. Production cuts furloughs layoffs also airline and airport safety measures federal bailout money a hybrid electric aircraft in the treaty on open skies the military treaty. Not The commercial agreement all that and more coming up right now Welcome to the airplane. Geeks podcast this is episode six hundred two of the show where we talk aviation I. Max Flight in joining me is David. Vanderhoek off our aviation historian. I actually ever last week. Actually saw an air show sort of well off in the distance. I was one of the ones that I actually got to see the Philadelphia Flyover. I did see the birds in the blues. Do Their Flyover So I did get a little bit of an air show fixed but You know it's I'd like to be able to go have funnel cake and a bad hot dog on a flight line and get a sunburn. And that's that's one of my dreams. Currently we take what we can get these days and also with us. Is Max Trescott? He's host of aviation news talk podcast. He's a sea of the year. And he's also an expert on learning to purchase a sears aircraft becoming an expert on birds as well Dave fifty-five here of Kovic nineteen sheltering at home so. I had one day last week where I didn't leave the house for three days. I was working on Writing Project. So this this is just crazy looking forward to getting back to a normal routine sometime soon. It is crazy. I I got so disappointed at not being able to get out camping. That I I set up in my yard and had Everything out there you know. Food the drink the sleeping accommodations and I just watch the neighborhood jogging bicycle. I was kind of pathetic. Actually have you have you tamed? Gold status cut though. That's what I WANNA know. Yeah not yet so working at it all right well our guest this episode is Chris Manno. Chris writes the jet head blog and he's recently published a start to finish true life story of his forty two years as a professional pilot. It includes seven years with the United States air force over thirty four years with American Airlines in. It's titled An Airline Pilots Life. Chris Welcome back to the airplane GEEKS. Podcast thanks. I'm glad to be here. Thank you for inviting me. It's been a long time. It's been many years. I was just looking back in the files I believe. Probably about two thousand nine or ten. Yeah I think maybe ten or maybe late nine something like that. It's been a very long time but Speaking of longtime thirty four years with the American Airlines pushing over that I retired after thirty five years though not as a pilot. But you must be getting. Close Chris yes and stacked I am calling gonNA retire the end of this month? I just don't have the heart to take another crawl back which the industry is going to do much like two thousand one and again when our bankruptcy at American Airlines two thousand nine we just don't have the Hartford better retired than we can actually still fly? So yes yes which is very sad state of affairs but it's kind of the reality of it is well coming up. We're going to talk with Chris about an airline pilots life. Also flying for the Air Force I think a little bit too because It's quite an exciting portion of yearbook. Chris I it's always I don't to hear the stories. The hijinks the crazy moments from career in the airlines is entertaining enough but back into the air force and boy. It doesn't get much better. I guess it will the Air Force to was so black and white. There was US in them. Were all squadron pilots. There's the hierarchy that we had the kind of love hate relationship with. They took care of us. They also kind of sat on a good bit. We did what needed to be done. The Air Force had a lot of regulations about flying and yet the biggest regulation. Get this mission done when it came to a higher headquarters mission they through the rules out and said you know we were going to launch. You'RE GONNA do this mission. And we all just said yes. Sir Saluted smartly out and flew in ways we would nowadays it as it heads over four decades flying like that was not a good idea at the time. But you know when you're in your twenties. You're immortal you're like we'll do that. Yeah we realize what could happen but yes true. Enough all right. Well we're going to get into that first though. We've got some aviation news from the past week. Is everyone ready ready from the West reading absolutely well? We've got some quarterly earnings reports out. We're also looking at some. Production cuts are. Getting kind of interesting is as far as the quarterly earnings reports. This is the first quarter of twenty twenty. So that's only through See January February march yet the first quarter through March and after that I think Into the second quarter is when we'll see some some real big impacts but first quarter is is significant enough Max Some of the numbers that you've seen sure south southwest was a percent with their report ninety four million dollar loss here in the first quarter and he got a fear. The January and February were probably pretty fine. It was really only March where they started to see loads. Go down so I think the second quarter is going to be a bath where I'll probably have at least two really far down months. And maybe three depending upon how quickly things bounce back we've also seen the losses now reported by Delta and United Fifty three million and two point one billion respectively so things are not looking good now now in Southwest has given us some numbers looking into April the expecting operating revenues to decrease ninety to ninety five percent year over year valuable seat miles down sixty percent year over year. Thinking the load factors in April will be six percent in May twenty twenty. Doesn't look any better for for South West. So it's it's pretty much. Just been the cessation of Commercial Flying. I in Chris. You're you've got to be seeing the same thing yeah. The schedules were all truncated in abridged in a cut. Half of the flying out in just as I mentioned earlier I got a call from crew schedule today. Modifying the trip that I had scheduled for the tenth. That is going to obviously cancel. But they're still having contractually to reduce in their kind of doing it close in. They're trying to monitor loads trying to see what we could be profitable and where we to have necessary service so it's almost like a triage going on now to stop the bleeding. Find out where there is something that could be worthwhile that make sense to fly. You know that there's so many of us if we're all flying San Jose. Do we all need to fly to San Jose with a six percent load factor or we somehow parcel us out so somebody has the thirty percent. It's just it's triage to combat situation. Now what are crews doing I mean? Are People just sitting at home? Do they have other other options right now? Really well mostly. They put most of us since they accepted. The government says support. The bill. That said that will K. Was Long as you. Don't let people go until the end of September is when the extent to September thirtieth that everybody's on a fifty five percent pay which really frosts fifty five hours of pay versus seventy five hours of guaranteed pay. Somebody's taken like a twenty five percent pay cut and the flying just goes to whoever has it on a schedule and then after they break up to schedule the usual reserves in the backups. But there's not much flying. Nobody's doing much of at least I'm not is a Lotta deadheads involved. You might fly a leg. The debt had back or something. They're doing their best to try to keep the lights on and keep the airplanes moving. Whatever makes sense but right now it's a day to day operation. We also see that Boeing posted a loss for the first quarter. That's not unexpected. Six hundred forty one million dollar loss and they they plan to cut their payroll by about ten percent hopefully through voluntary measures as well as involuntary layoffs quote as necessary Ten percent cut for for Boeing is probably around sixteen thousand employees and we see some some other other layoffs In the sector as well Mac. I think Maybe Isaac had some had some numbers. He did journalist. Isaac Alexander was sending me notes. Today he's up in the Seattle area and it just seemed like today's layoff day a GE announced that they're aviation divisions GONNA cut Thirteen Thousand People Rolls Royce earlier in the day from the UK announced layoffs of eight thousand people and then finally here late in the day in Quebec. Pratt and Whitney announced a seven hundred people being laid off so it seems like it must have taken a month for management to kind of work through the process and determine who was going to go and today just seems today. We're everybody made their announcements. Yeah layoffs are are tough it does take some time because You have oftentimes labor agreements. And you have to work through the WHO is I WANNA use eligible for for a layoff and in what sequence and and all of that spirit aerosystems just announced they were going to lay off Fourteen hundred fifty employees starting may fifteenth although they say that some of them may be asked to work during a sixty day period to provide cross training That's going to be a little tough. You know you've got sixty days to train someone else. So you can be laid off but That's sort of the reality of course We're seeing production scheduled cuts as well for for Boeing. Well and just to get back to layoffs. I forgot to mention that I read. That united is announcing they plan to lay off a third of their pilots over twelve thousand pilots. Third of those people are slated to go by October. First and again I think that ties in directly to the people the companies have accepted the money so they have to keep people on board until September. Thirty th but looks like the bloodbath is going to get worse after September thirty. Th I think definitely that's true and I believe it was someone from Airbus. I can't remember the name who said that. The aerospace industry has never faced such devastating challenges. This which aircraft manufacturers always through aircraft operators and I had read that Kirby and his town hall meeting last week had said. Yeah we'll have to go to about thirty percent when it comes to the pilots which would be for them about forty four hundred pilots as you said so. Yeah does devastating Airlines are taking some measures to Try to ensure the safety of passengers little passengers they do have jet blue and frontier airlines now requiring face masks for passengers. That's mandatory. If it was me I'd have been wearing one anyway. I think Jet Blue is also limited. The number of seats that they're going to sell on most flights they're going to try to thin out the cabin but again with the yields as they are now it's doesn't seem necessary but If things start to pick up then it may become necessary but some of the other airlines. I think are also taking some some actions. I think since we found these original stories I think virtually every airline has come in since then and has announced that. They're going to be requiring masks solemn. Starting on Monday of this week. So airlines are also talking about all the different kinds of safety. A health measures that they're implementing. So yeah a lot of change. A lot of people are hoping that These kinds of changes will encourage people to fly if they're feeling safer and Of course airports are also starting to step up. I think we saw earlier this year. some of the airports in in perhaps some other places in Asia testing passengers for for fevers for temperatures. And we see that Paine Field airport that SERVES SEATTLE. Of course is his got a system that they've put in. They are now using thermal cameras so that they can Basically Image People who are coming into the building and they've got a process where if they identify people who have a fever than they're going. Pull them aside for secondary screening. So if you've got one hundred five when you walk in the airport H- you might not be. You might not be flying that day. And I think I heard from a friend of mine. Who WORKS FOR FEDEX? That pilots in the Middle East are facing a lot of issues in terms of screening. And things like that Chris. You heard yes detail. Tsa checkpoints at DFW. They're checking crew members for temperature. Okay what about in the Middle East country? I have not heard of that. I know they are under much more strict quarantine because I do have a friend who flies for Eddie had but I know that. Tsa CHECKPOINT LIKE IDEAS DFW if you go through TSA known crew member. You're going to get scam for your temperature. Which is fine. You don't WanNa be sick and and spread it in the workplace particularly in a cockpit where we're elbow to elbow so for eight hours. Yeah to me. It's a fairly reasonable measure for almost any business to say. Hey we we wanNA check your temperature. Obviously you're not going to put a thermometer in everybody's mouth but you know with thermal cameras that You just you know pointed someone's forehead that seems to be like a pretty reasonable way and Gary. Kelly has said that he has been publicly Extolling their disinfectant procedures and things to make people feel comfortable again. It's okay to get on jet if they're doing as much as like Eric. Kelly is saying at southwest to disinfect jabs to space people on the Jet Bridge to have deep planing now by Don't everyone stand up in your head on the overhead. Then wait till you're row is called than you may be playing so we don't congregate so I hope the measures like that Which southwest seem to be leading the way in. We'll let people feel a little more confident. Yeah I can fly safely. You know in the past we've talked about. Tsa Security and whether some aspects of that are just security theater. So I I don't think we're ready to To really have the the equivalent conversation now maybe in the future. We'll be having the conversation is there. Is there really Sanitation Theater that Begins to to be employed. Just make people feel better but that may not actually be effective. But I I was interested in To to see with this Paine field system that they put in that the the S- thermal camera which of course is non invasive and non contact. It's accurate to zero point three degrees Celsius. Which is I don't mean that that's pretty accurate seems The other question I had though was all right. So let's say that in this first checkpoint that someone is detected. This is having a an elevated temperature. Then what happens and we see that in in this case anyway. that A passenger is taken to a secondary screening. Which I think the passenger can opt out of. I think it's not a forced secondary screening. But they're I guess they're tested there again but if they are found to have a fever what happens. That's the question right. They send the person home. What do they do in the answer? Is it's up to the airline that that passengers flying on to decide. What do they want to do with that passer? Do they want to grant Boarding to that passenger or or decline it so I thought that was kind of interesting. Why don't we just have the passengers? Vote No we don't want you on this airplane with us. Thank you very much. Vote them off the airplane right like kind of like survivor but unfortunately they don't do it while you're in the air they do it before the plane takes off man so let's see what else is going on some of the Max that you have something you you were getting ready to say. How is this going to say When we were talking about Boeing There was some interesting stories that came out there in terms of First of all they had the big push out on seven three seven Max orders from South West southwest was due to take a hundred airplanes from this year. And they've said well we'll take about forty eight So this just adds to the you know the woes of bowing to and not be able to to book those sales this year. A plus. There's really interesting story about how they were bailed out. Originally we heard that There were some very large amount of money that they were interested in getting from the federal government. I forget the exact numbers but it was on the order of fifty billion dollars and in fact what they chose to do instead was to go to the markets and sell bonds so they had One of the largest bond sales in history raising over twenty million dollars I forget the exact number billion by of course. Yes I forget. We're talking real money. These are billions. Yes so they raised twenty five billion dollars in bonds making one of the largest bond sales ever so kind of a good news in the sense that we didn't have to have the government to bail them out and it's interesting that Some companies are turning to the To the markets to raise money rather than take money from the government because then not going to be forced to a bind with any restrictions that are placed on money that they get from the government and owing bowing to government already every time. There's a forty forty-six issue I mean they. They are losing money on that program now because it was a fixed cost contracts so anytime they have to fix something. It's their own money. So I think Boeing all in all it did not want to have to go and go out grabbing to the federal government because they've got enough issues already with them well and then. It's not a surprise that Warren Buffet and Berkshire Hathaway have completely sold. All of their airline stakes. So apparently worn his finally said Once again a nef of this I am out and I vaguely remember it a decade or more ago. He swore off the airlines that so there must be something about the airlines where he just can't resist and once again he's got felt like. Darn I've learned that lesson again the hard way. Yeah and he sold all of the two. He said that he doesn't reduce is position in any one sector. It's either in or not in in right now. He's not in the CANARIAN. Nicola mine is really sad for all of us who are still in the industry. Yes yes yeah. They always say when when the economy gets a cold aviation gets the flu so in this case that were really getting hard again. There's some interesting impacts Going on with airports in terms of the federal bailout money the federal grants and Mica gave us some some articles that relate to what's going on in in Maine But they really do. Apply elsewhere This this is describing how Knox County Regional Airport in Maine. Which is a fairly small airport was given federal grant in an amount that would cover operations insecurity for the next twenty five years. That seems like a lot now. The airport would actually and that's eighteen million dollars now. The airport would actually just receive over two million dollars in initial funding because there's a cap in the legislation that limits it to four years of operating expenses but the rest of that eighteen million dollars can be used for allowable expenses like construction over the next four years so they could you know but any runway or do whatever they want so this little tiny airport in owls head gets eighteen million meanwhile. Portland International Jet Port gets just twelve million dollars. Which of course is a much much larger airport part of the reason for this is the the calculation as to what amount airports get is based on a number of different factors. There's kind of a calculation so fifty percent of the calculation is based on the number of passenger boardings so the more passengers you have the higher. The grant amount And that's fifty percent of the of the calculation and twenty five percent of the award is based on airport debt in the other. Twenty five percent is based on the airports ratio of debt to cash reserves so tears a interesting quote from Paul Bradberry that Portland International Airport director. That we've had on the show and he said what Congress was trying to say. Is that if you are a good custodian and fiscally responsible? We want you to benefit from the care act to he says but when you divide by zero like if you have zero debt then all sorts of bad things happened in the in the calculation goes so We we've seen other examples of that An airport a very small airport in devils lake. North Dakota They earned enough money from the stimulus law to cover their expenses for fifty years so I think maybe you need some sort of rationalization of the formulas that determined which airports get. How much much stimulus money? There's a congressman from Tennessee. Who is basically saying? Hey wait a minute we should have the FAA stop. Dispersing this money until they look exactly how the formula is causing these rather strange allocations. I read another article. He said that originally the house was proposing that only a total number of passengers be used as the sole Portion of the formula for allocating this in which case it would have gone to a larger airports which in some sense makes sense these the airports that have lost the most revenue have the most number of people to support The most infrastructure and yet the Senate insisted that they also look at the other two factors that you mentioned there the the debt and the cash reserves that they have and what that really did was it tilted away from large airports And it caused a lot of very small airports with not a whole lot going on so get absurdly large amounts of money. I read about airports in Idaho and Washington State That also got to millions of dollars in. It seemed like the the basic starting point was around eighteen million and yet some of these airports had annual budgets of one and two million dollars so just handing them eighteen million dollars. Just doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Yeah this we might have mentioned this before. This is kind of thing that happens when unfortunately when you have. Something is large and complex as this legislation that lawmakers are trying to get out quickly. And there's just no time for the you know the careful thinking particularly by people who know more than our elected officials about these things to To kind of scrub through this but it does mean it would seem to me that there needs to be another additional rounds of the action to try to Make this a little bit more equitable. I seem to recall that. There's actually a nothing that the airports to what they have to spend the money on which is really kind of fascinating you know they can have this massive windfall and spend it on whatever they want to me. That just doesn't make a whole lot of sense but I totally agree with you. When in times of crises win large amounts of money being thrown around to solve problems? That's when you see These kinds of inefficiencies well in in other news But still an impact from the Kobe. Nine hundred nine pandemic This is from flight. Global Airbus and Rolls Royce cancel e fan ex hybrid electric RJ. One hundred experiment. They might recall the fan. X project was demonstrator. Developed under partnership with Airbus Rolls Royce and initially anyway Siemens and in this project we which is based on a be a one. Six one forty-six One of the four lycoming turbofans was replaced by an electric motor two megawatt electric motor that was powered by and e twenty one hundred turbo shaft in the aircraft. But they they being now. Airbus and Rolls Royce agreed to halt this project. Because well they've really got other priorities other things to be worrying about right now Chris. Sort of general idea of electric aircraft Is there much talk much chatter about that possibility? In in your industry there is and I think the seventy seven kind of broke the barrier for mostly electric chat. The people were saying well. It's not gonNA work won't be reliable enough and yet it has three tops operations and everything that is done proven itself that it is reliable and safe so everybody's looking for the next generation. It's going to save the industry. Particularly fossil fuels tend to fluctuate so wildly. If there was some technology I do recall back in the late nineties when Robert Crandall American was trying to encourage the -ducted fan or the fan for the MD. In that just didn't come to fruition because I guess it wasn't enough of potential at the time but I think with technology now I would sure hope that that type of hybrid would be a factor in the future that will make this cost effective again. Make this Efficient again just in the same way that electron Fuel controls have revolutionized the industry now with each as we call them electric engine control systems. We're hopeful that that's the next great leap forward. That will help this industry. When you're looking at a true air speed if you can. They can do. Can Four hundred fifty knots true? Well now you're talking about the economies of scale that would let our industry maybe go forward in the next fifty years and still survive. It just made me realize the first time this is kind of struck me. But they're going to be a lot of Venture funded electric aircraft projects which are never gonNA fall by the wayside. And that's certainly that was going to be the case anyway. I mean I think we knew that. With a hundred different companies that were planning to build a vertical takeoff and landing aircraft. Eventually only about five of them would dominate the market. But I think what this means is loud. Companies are going to fail faster and it's going to be long before we get some of these technologies coming to market. So that's kind of a you know a sad biproduct of this whole pandemic next to you. Think there's a potential that though they could take that back off the shelf when it becomes the potential to be profitable again. I mean all that in just put it on old or is it. Just did we lose. Oh I think you're right. I think there is a possibility. That'll just be put in the corner of the hanger and they'll come back to it perhaps Within a couple of years a to me it would be silly if they were just scrap it and say well we'll never come back to this again so yes. I think it may come back but it just now delayed. Yeah and we'll see how oil prices recover. Because that's there's the financial motivation in a lot of cases for these kinds of developments apart from the environmental motivations. We also have those too so those those would remain but you know in a sort of twisted way. It was kind of Nice to have the the the financial motivation from high oil. Prices is Supporting what we probably should be doing for environmental reasons. Anyway you're right if oil prices stay low like they are right now. Then the introduction of these technologies could be decades away because there's not as much of an economic drive to bring in the new technologies. Write an article from the drive. Air Force is down to one. Tired old jet to fly open skies surveillance flights. So I'M GOING TO DAVID. Jump in but let me see if I can t this up. There's Something called the treaty on open skies in that allows the signatories to conduct unarmed aerial surveillance. Flights over the entire country of participants. Now this is not related to this Civil Aviation Open Skies Agreement. This is different. This is David. This is kind of an agreement. Where a lot of companies thought companies. This is an agreement where a lot of countries including the United States and Russia have basically agreed that we can spy on each other by flying over each other under certain conditions in with certain aircraft which. I didn't know we had that. Goes back to an old saying by President Ronald Reagan. Trust but verify. The Open Skies Treaty allows specifically designed aircraft for overflights and to be honest to put it in a couple of last year or so. There was a big announcement. About how a Russian aircraft a t you one fifty four was flying over area fifty one you now and. Oh my God. Why are we letting the Russians do that while we have a treaty with them the Open Skies Treaty? And it's not just it's not just the United States in the survey or what was the Soviet Union now Russia. I mean it's other countries involved and in our case. It's a O. C. One thirty five strata lifter. That's been modified for the open skies. Treaty the Oh being open you know. We're observation technically. So we have this aircraft that we send over Moscow and various bilberry basis to make sure that treaties are being followed etc. One of the things you've seen about davis-monthan and B Fifty. Two's is and this was part of open skies and part of verification was when we destroyed B fifty. Two's we chop the wings off but once we chop the wings off the wings and the few size and the chopped a few slash had to be disassembled and put together so that could be observed for a period of time to show that we actually did chop up that aircraft so that the the Russians could see that yes they look down and we said we chopped up forty aircraft and look there's forty aircraft there with all of their parts so in this case the story is about the c. One thirty five. And we we talk about Casey one thirty. Fives being antiques. While this is even more older than that because it wasn't ever graded to the trash cans to make it an are so it's got the good old fashioned. Pratt and Whitney motors on it. Jay Fifty seven nine thousand pounds of thrust smoking that keep in mind one of the reasons why we are left with this. One aircraft. Doing his job is the current administration. Wants out of this treaty? One of the ways you can get out of something is you just let something wither on the vine and this is a perfect case of that. Yes the technology should be upgraded. But let's face it. The Russians are flying a you one fifty four which is not the latest and greatest aircraft on their fleet. Either this is really not a high priority Pentagon project though it should be but it could be done with any aircraft it just means you have to convert all the electronics and optics and stuff into it and when your administration has tried to kill the program you just don't get that and and that's why we have the O. C. One Thirty Five C. And it's kind of cool aircraft because the open skies right on the side of it. It's an interesting program and probably should be followed through but everything else it all depends upon how you believe you know and trust but verify and in these days we don't trust and we definitely don't verify so can satellites provide the same kind of intelligence that that these do satellites can But part of this is you can't tell everything by satellites. This is another way to do it. You know not not. Every satellite is a great optics in this is this is sort of a a an accident. Sort of a gentle reminder. You know you're being watched the program. Yeah you know that it does to you. One fifty four is going gonNA fly over air area fifty one on X. Date because it scheduled. It's not just a random flight right. I mean they have to get permission to fly over the airspace. But that being said it's a good way to keep things in check no trust but verify David one thing. The Air Force learned to I flew the J. Model One thirty fives the Blue Eagle model which were extremely expensive. They stress that to us in the Cobra Ball. That was flying Shinya. We'll even more expensive. Air Force finally learned. That does matter how much it costs. Somebody's GONNA landed gear up. You know and that happened to the Cobra Ball which is a over a billion dollars. So I think maybe we're we're GONNA have to step away from very expensive aircraft with very A human pilots flying them. I think the the funny thing about this. David is if I wanted to go fly over. Area Fifty one. There's no way I could do that. But hey the Russians get to well now that that's not fair? Okay you can fly over area fifty not more than once. You've probably aren't going. You're probably aren't going to make it back imply over area fifty. You raise a good point. You're getting a full scholarship with it. You know the other. The other funny thing is Stephen Trimble. Who were friends to the show and stuff He was flying into Las Vegas or Or Los Angeles on one of his trips and he flew on a clear day and there was fifty one out. He took pictures of it. It's it's not really you know I. It's one of those okay. It's it's one of those things it's on the route to San Francisco. So you've you've flown over it. Yeah I mean you find yourself on vectors because military airspace elsewhere is Active so they turn you left by Wilson Creek and. Yeah you're over fifty one. Did you announce that to the passengers? You know. I've learned if I announce anything to the passengers. All have a bunch of flight attendant saying don't make them. They're watching movies. Leave US alone. I tend not to make many. Pa's at all that's you know that's a really good point. Because I remember years ago you get all kinds of announcements about. Hey we're going by the Grand Canyon and I never hear any of that stuff anymore. Ever and God forbid it's your flying over Iceland Greenland and have a one in a hundred days of visibility. Don't say a word because they're all watching the movie. Don't wake them up in flight attendants tell what what about the northern lights. Would you let them know that? You're I would and I I kind of by myself towards the mom and pop that are there. They do it once every six months and I feel like the business person you can tolerate it. It's not that big a deal. Get back to your entertainment. All the entertainment systems on Boeing's also put the entertainment on hold. So you don't Miss Anything. I always thought that was a great feature when yeah the IV goes on hold when the announcement is made. That's very convenient. We're speaking Chris. Manno Chris I think An airline pilots life is sort of a spectacular collection of great experiences. You've got some some really funny stories. Some interesting stories Just type of story in there but I think as a child you are destined to become a pilot. I was determined determined from about age three. I must do this single-mindedly and I had two brothers who were like I can take it because we grew up on Air Force bases because my dad was an aviator in watching him. I was like I see them getting into these giant beautiful airplanes the Constellation one. Twenty-one is such a beautiful huge airplane big three bladed resets. That was so impressive. It's like no I will do. I have to do this and I was unlikely. Scrawny kid with bad is I mean. I hear that from everyone. Yeah I was going to be a pilot but that is again will die in most of us did but it's a case of just hanging on like a a dog getting a bone that was not going to be back. Let it go through the Virginia military too which is a bastion of old school abuse and ugly times and then fighting my way into air force pilot training which I thought fighting to get in was hard part. Fighting's you get to stay in and out was the other part but the beautiful rewards of Solo in the t thirty eight in acrobatics aerobatics formation flight than in the Air Force Pretty much a lot of rules until the mission was on. And it's like do what you gotTa do and make it happen. Just find with great folks for seven years in the air force and then the airlines being an option at how that panned out in a way I could never have imagined captain after six years total with the airline Been a captain now for A going on twenty nine years and all the things I've seen in done in aircraft that I've flown. I felt like I wanted to have the story for one thing and I felt like I could write the story because besides being at airline pilot I have a doctorate in English that I earn while I was a pilot in teaching writing at the university level since two thousand in three and I thought well I've got two things I can write it and I have the story and I WANNA keep the story I wanna I WANNA have it for when I look back on it or to inscribe what it was like to be a pilot for the last thirty years at a major airline and for so. That's where this came from. I thought I can ride it and I have the story. I'm GONNA do it. Who Do you hope will read the story? You know? I hope that folks who take a look at what what if what if I had done this. What if I had followed path because obviously it's a choice in it? It's a choice I made but also those who are considering the path. What's it like to spend your life dedicated to aviation The to stay in it. You know there's a lot of folks I started. With the so much attrition. Both in the Air Force we had a lot of deaths and then afterwards people lose their medical or their qualifications or whatever Stayed through its for four decades in very fortunate had a lot of help and a lot of good luck but for those folks who are considering. What would an airline pilots life be like? What would a military pilots be? Life will be like here it is. This is his best as I could draw as clearly as realistically fly in the cockpit of the t thirty eight which to me was the most thrilling aircraft when I was a kid in. Rotc in three in the back seat gave you ride is through up and showed you pictures of you holding your Barf Bag. Like a catch of If you're on a fishing trip and then to the day that I sold it by self Broke the mark by myself. Because I wanted to and all the things that come with it if you stay with it because anyone can do. Obviously if I can do it anyone can. But it's all about the choices in the determination so I wanted to put all that in the story. Let people live it firsthand. How was the transition from the Air Force to the airline? I mean I eat envision them as being really different worlds they are very different worlds because the competition in the air force is all about career about getting ahead about excelling about showing how you excel above your peers and then you come to an airline situation and for pilots. Seniority is it day. You are hired determines where you go from that point on so now. It's more of a friendly environment. It's more cooperative and collaborative environment because there's nothing at stake. You're not upgrading to captain before anyone else because you have the right jobs or speak to the right. People do the right political things. You're going to get there when you get there. So everyone is. It's a more cooperative. It's more gentlemanly laid back environment. The training I can only speak to American Airlines. It was the best training anywhere and it's very laid back in. Its very user oriented. We Wanna get people ready because I was also check airman for a number of years in an evaluator pilot in the whole philosophy was. Let's have good aviators here. Let's run a good aviation system at American Airlines? Chris joined the I. Think the union right away maybe tell our listeners. A little bit about the the role of labor unions and the relevance of the importance of labor unions in the airline business. Well one thing that I learned early on in some of the more senior guys told me that the seniority list protects us from each other in the contract protects us from the company. And you know it's almost like two adversaries in this seniority was being that. It's all settled. We're all in it together. Means more collaborative environment and the company has to do the job of management which is to keep costs down. Keeps the lights on. So we had to have that between us and them and I don't feel like I know that it's been adversarial to ah various degrees all throughout my career however it has never been adversarial on the idea of safety and training however pay benefits retirement in the important things that make life different flora pilot better or worse. Yeah of course. It had to be collective bargaining the only strength. We had being cost units that we are in fairly expensive costume at says pilots was that negotiation in our unity in our strength to do collective bargaining. Never question when it came to safety in training American Airlines has always one hundred percent. We hold hands on that union and company but when it came to the other issues we are a cost issue so we needed that collective bargaining that protects us from them in them from US insane for the cabin crew the cabin crew as well and they have less Probably leverage because they don't have licenses they don't have FAA certification. They don't have the things the requirements that the FAA requires of us has pilots however they are very skilled and talented workforce with the capabilities to make the doer. Di Decisions Important safety issues that you. You just can't do it without them so they needed their collective bargaining as well. Chris have you seen the relationship between the flight? Crews and the in the cabin crews change or evolve over the years. What is that relationship like? It has evolved. And it kind of all me. It started in the early two thousands when we started splitting different hotels different contracts and different rest periods used to be the crew restless crew rest and everybody pilots and flight attendants alike. Were pretty much standard of eight hours behind the door of demeaning once you hotel you have eight hours rest well. They find a tennis in their negotiations for whatever they bargained for managed to a change their rest requirements in order to gain some other things so then we started being split off from them. They didn't have the same duty requirements. They still don't have the same on duty requirements that we do and the rest requirements with it so that Kinda changed the culture a little bit. We were co paired as we say what meaning pilots flight attendants would stay together for the entire three day sequence or two day or whatever it was now we started switching flight attendants on different legs. They started staying at different hotels which there was some quality issues the and they had much shorter layovers where it wasn't really possible to get rest so they kind of the culture of crews staying together that has changed over the years and a part of it was the flight attendants choice to bargain. How do we WANNA do this? But we want to give up what we WANNA get and we had maintained the different standard one of the things that I kind of enjoyed reading this. Chris was I. I love learning about a little Terms or phrases for things If you're on the inside you know about and if you're not you don't things like the the DC ten weird trans things like that. I love that stuff well and I was an engineer and they said this is the weird transit. Like what tack you said. It's like when you are sitting at the DC. Ten panel all the power supply in the various phases of circuit breakers are mounted on top of each other and the all to striper guys with were the original flight. Engineers only professional fight inches. Pull it from top to bottom restored bottom to top the phases like. Why does that work? It just does so when you have you know. The captain looks back and starts looking at the panel and ago. We're is probably the much in it to three three to one. I don't know why the DC ten at a lot of weird Shawn's yeah. Yeah I WANNA ask though. What was your favorite airplane question? Because it's a lousy question I think And the typical answer is always well. The last one I flew but can you tell us a little bit about the the airliners that you've flu and how you might characterize them well a-absolutely. I started flying the MD Eighty S co-pilot. I flew DC ten engineer which I like a lot that airplanes. Wonderful out of DC. Ten first officer probably the best job airline because you really had nothing to do in. That airplane was a sweet flying airplane. I'd have to say it's probably the best hand. Flying Airplane ever flown because it had so much good power response the ailerons and the role factor in that It responded almost reminded me. As a t thirty eight where you kind of think about making a banking maneuver and do it for you. Plus they're going on the DC ten if you notice if you look at it from the front there's no divy drill angle and it had that goal wing By the main gear trucks. That gave you a cushion in ground effect. If you're doing it right in your on speed you're going to get a wonderful landing from that thing so I i. I like that a lot I think. For the technology the F. One hundred I flew the Fokker one hundred ours with aircraft being so far ahead of its time with the dark cockpit workload was so low on the pilots have. It was a little bit underpowered. That doesn't really matter much on cruise I think my favorite is going to have to be the seven thirty seven eight hundred because it has all the handling characteristics of the DC. Ten is far as good ample substantial wing. Lots of good power response in. It's such a rugged durable airplane and it has a great flight controls very tight good role rates. Good control it. As that armed or rudder that you could actually make wants to degree heading changes on final without ever dropping a wing. So I've flown. The one that was most problematic is probably the MD. It had worst ailerons because head. That concept of flying tab were on the aileron itself. There was a tab that you position with Troglio which then flew the aileron position which led to a very big time lag in the roll rate and then some Dutch roll. That would come with because by the time. Responded you're already into the next turbulence event in whatever control you put in was irrelevant. It was so long thin that it didn't control well in the lateral aspect. It was a real squirrel to handle going in and out of La Guardia Tour. Even mentioned in the book that it's much easier. It was much easier. More comfortable to land a DC ten on the seven thousand feet of Guardia than it is an md. Eighty is just too much to handle the seven thirty seven. Those the best bland. I've had any aircraft. Has the great stopping capability. You never worry about that. It handles crosswinds. Well it's a good durable airplane with a low wing loading that makes it so you can rely on it you can jump off. I DO TRANS CON from Dulles to La Right up to about thirty five thousand thirty seven thousand right after takeoff because it has that capability. So I think it's probably my favorite would be to seven thirty seven eight hundred in. That's what you're currently yes flying. You were flying yes. Yeah Yeah Yeah I I kinda bypass the seventy seven in the triple seven because the type of flying that that does is so physically grueling that when I flew the D. C. Ten International. In my thirties it was really physically draining. I don't twenty years later and I spent my whole air force flying career in the Pacific. I've Seen Korea. I see a picture I know the smell. I can still smell it. Donate to go you know I. I just can't do the thirteen hour time. Change anymore and still have a life in a teaching career. Because I've been teaching at the university on campus since two thousand three so it's a tradeoff speaking of the seven three seven course one of the unending topics that We've been discussing on the show for the last year's been the seven. Three seven. Max and and Boeing is. Is there a loss of confidence? Do you think amongst pilots For for that aircraft or for the process or for the regulator. What's I think? All of the above Max. That's a good way to put. It been not only the product in the process but the regulators as well and for a lot of us. Because I've been the biggest Boeing Fan. My whole career loved the airplanes but I'm so disappointed in the engineering decision to take the take the FAA and to sell to the FAA. We're GONNA have a intervention system. That is a fail. Active with only one sensor in no comparative like the superheroes uses an example for the stall warning because it had a similar characteristic that it could enter a stall in depart left or right. He didn't know what was going to do. So the MTA stick pusher design based on to AOL inputs but the differences on the inputs. You had to mandatory on the super duty and comparative that said if they don't agree this system is an operative whereas the seven thirty seven Boeings sold to the FAA. You can do this based on a single system and not only if you get a eroneous message. There's nothing to detect it. There's no competitor and we're going to intervene anyway in the final thing that for me as a pilot. I just feel like it's disingenuous. To say will the same recovery technique for runaway. Stabiliser would apply. And yes it would but you're basically saying is crews aren't even GonNa know what's really happening. And this is the item that lion air screwed up. Is this runaway stabiliser recovery. Which doesn't really apply to this will solve this. Put my God. You're going to sell an airplane. Like that and Boeing to do that. Ethnic it's a breach of trust is a pilot. They did this. They sold it in. It's on the airplane and they didn't tell us I know my are union. The Allied Pilots Association was really incensed. That you didn't even tell us this is there. And the reason they didn't is because there was no competitor and it's a fail active system which to me unconscionable to have done that and I totally am disappointed in Boeing as a pilot is spent most of my life flying Boeing aircraft. Yeah and that's that's an issue that Max Trescott is his brought up in the past. You've got a background Chris and Engineering. And Sodas Maxon so do I. You know as an engineer. I'm incensed when I see those kinds of designs. I mean I it's just it's just an affront that somebody could push forward to design with such an obvious. Failure single points of failure are just such an obvious thing to look for in a design. It's like how could you ignore the obvious and the MD eighty with that dual system in a compared to war? Warning would tell you that when the stick pushers active but you had one on your glare shield one cow light cap push disabled Then there's no more pusher which this was the no remedy other than we'll pretend you're getting a runaway stabiliser. What would you do turn off that? Outta PILOT STABILISER. Well area turn off power stabiliser will. That's just not a smart way to engineer. An airplane just. I can't believe I did that while I also can't believe that you were given four seconds to react to a problem. It's you know you weren't really particularly well trained about in which wasn't really supposed to happen. I mean I don't know about you but when when there's something obscure that rarely happens it takes me more than four seconds to figure it out. Plus N N I know. Maxine you've been studying Boeing for a long time. It said. They didn't use to engineer things that way. That's not going Yeah I I really look forward to seeing an introspective. Look at the reasons why we have observed this this change in strategy or or philosophy or whatever you WANNA call it. Blowing you know is culture culture. That's the word. Yes exactly exactly. And that's step one is the cultural Boeing and step two is the oversight. How did the face eight? Yeah we'll go with that. I just don't get that I. Yeah unfortunately Boeing had built so much trust you know. I don't think Boeing will ever get back the trust it's lost so I don't think they will. Which is probably the worst thing that could happen to that company. Boeing built amazing aircraft. I mean there's a reason why we're flying an OC one thirty five you know. It's because it was a good product. It out why are we flying B fifty. Two's now to twenty fifty by wing. Made good products products and trust years of trust. You know who flew b seventeen that no matter how much you took. It was going to get get home. Bowling's thrown that all out the window and it's just Kinda Sad. David is like you said trust but verify no. Unfortunately we're GONNA have to do that. And I think sometimes companies lose their way temporarily but I think when management recognizes in aware. Something has gone wrong. They can change things and kind of get back on track it on. My belief is Boeing. We'll get back on track. They probably recognize the many problems that have led to to this debacle Of course the the huge downturn in aviation now just makes it all the more critical that they do things right because now they're just not going to have the cash coming into to throw it problems that they've had in the past so anyway. I certainly very hopeful at Boeing fixes. All this kind of regains their Their their way that they have the kind of continue to be the company that we all admire. But yeah this is. This is a major hiccup not unrecoverable but a huge hiccup. So so can I ask Chris when next important book comes out. This paperback will be out the end of this month. But the sequel to one of my exit action adventure books that was actually a one best fiction of twenty eighteen. It was called Lou. Rush Net sequel will be out by July. Nope but I want to point your comics. Oh that's yeah that's already it's been out for years. It's called flight crew confidential. It's on Amazon. And it said there most flight crews have a copy and Passengers don't see how we really think in feel but if you get the book you will so in you've had initial positive response from an airline pilots life. Yeah nearly imposed life kind of surprise me that the first half released on kindle was the Amazon's number one rated aviation commercial aviation new release in it gains about five hundred two thousand new readers day which to me is surprising and it's only the first half the second half will all be one book released in paperback takes it from military flying all the way through a career in the left seat of major airline. So it looks like there's probably readership folks WANNA say. Well what would what is an airline pilots live? Like what is it? Like on the inside as he said what are terminology How our perspective what do we think? How does it feel to face the decisions that you do face as as a captain and there's couple tight situations in the book? That actually happened that you know. I found myself in the I. Guess if you're exposed to that type of aviation for many years later you're going to face some very difficult situations in there in the book and the first hand in no-holds-barred you'll be in the left seat with me and figure it out. I had mentioned when I was a DC ten. I noticed how captains will look at me sometimes and say you know. This is a difficult decision and I look back and say that it is but when you are in the left seat. There's nobody there that you're looking at. You have to do it yourself. So if you'd like to know what that is. It's it's there in the book in how that plays out over. Pretty Difficult Situation. Spent it probably. It's completely realistic. And different from what you think. There's not a lot of fear or a lot of chaos in the cockpit in those situations. There's a lot of concentration. There's a lot of the. It's almost a weird calmness against it that you're just simply doing the best you can at the time and I think part of it comes from the military flying. We don't worry about that. You know there have been many times where it's like you know. I'm not sure how this is gonNA work out but we're just going to do our job so a lot. All that's in there from the military flying standpoint in airline pilots lives and also from The civilian time like I said to you. Hang around long enough. You'RE GONNA get your button to crack and Get yourself out of it. I really imagine the military flying experience that you had probably made you a better airline pilot. I think so because we're also oriented particularly in the military that most people are that entry level which is something that a lot of people. Don't think about that. The Air Force has a lot of new folks doing a lot of important job so we had to have real strict oversight controls ratings qualifications and that was important it was brutal but in this at the same time we realized how necessary that was for instance. Now go to my seven. Thirty seven in the mechanics has been working on that for thirty five years. Says it's fixed. I know it's fixed but many air force one is a guy who's been doing it for twenty two years and they're good folks but we had to have a different standard and the basis of operation. So that was top to bottom in the military that you you you have a life or death mission in a lot of cases because that was always secondary to the mission and so we had a lot different standards in a lot of different ways we operated. Soleil made me a better pilot to understand. What what we're really up against. What is really important. What really makes for safe operation in the air force sent me to USC to the accident. Investigation School in did accident investigation. That helps you understand the factors that go into this type of You know what is safety is not the absence of APPs of accidents. It's more of a mindset. That gets US where we need to be. And I think that helped me in my airline career to understand that how how crew should function what we need to do. What safety nets we need. Does the military still offer good pay in your opinion good path for? Yeah although I would say nowadays and I was on active duty I probably would go with the Air Force Reserve Guard. Because there's more flexibility you can have the best of both worlds and My son who is now a captain. spirit did that. He went through the Air Force. Rude one of my good pilot training buddies. It's in the book. Animal Hauser. His son now is finishing a pilot training at Laughlin and he's in the reserves so that he'll eventually be here at American. So you have animal and I are very happy that after we're gone there will be captains manno. And Hauser still flying on the flight decks major airlines. I was GONNA ask you if your son's interest in that career made you proud or few advised him to try something. Different Max to be honest. I said Tony to this. Bankruptcies lost retirements and furloughs to not do this with his dad. Now even now we talk about the airlines by off. Often say to me to have. You don't understand it's different now. I'm like well I'm still here. We look different. You know. I'm still in the business okay. What does that note? That is no anything. So well I think in In the closing or near the closing of an airline pilots life. I think you make the comment that upon retirement You don't see any recreational flying in that future for you. Why is that? I don't think it would work for me Max. To be honest I realized my own limitations. But also the fact that we've been operating I've been operating for so many years with so many layers of oversight that just don't exist in the world and I know you can do it safely but I've had forty years of that backup both in the military and in the airlines particularly American Airlines so safety-oriented so many layers of supervision and oversight like I don't know maybe I've used up my good flying Karma. Maybe it's time when you've done this for forty some years that you do something else and there's also that whole philosophical attitudes Whatever you do One thing especially for forty years means you're not doing something else so maybe it's time in life to say that was a wonderful forty some years of flying jets and and I've had good Karma Leib should leave it at that brilliant all right so if people want to A find the book or learn more. Where's the Best Best Place to go to the jet head blog. Well it's there and it's also an Amazon is called airline pilots lives in if you wait till Later this month. The paperback in the full version will be released. I was glad to give you guys a preview. A sneak preview. You're ahead of the release but it will be released later this month in the full It's five hundred seventeen pages which is entirely too long. I know that. Oh no no no no no. I wouldn't say that at all you love to fly at what's GONNA cut out. I wanted people to fly the t thirty eight with me. I wanted them to fly missions through the Pacific. I wanted them to. Fly The DC ten with me in the left seat of the seven thirty seven the MD eighty go through captain upgrade evaluator instructor at an airline The ups and downs of the airline career. I wanted the whole thing so and my wife has said well. Five hundred seventeen pages. You don't expect me to read that cycle. No of course not only probably the park season because she was a flight attendant. We met on a flight so you know I have to dog your those pages so she can read about herself. It has if you look at Amazon Dot Com for an airline pilots life. The first half is there for two ninety nine. The second half the full thing will be available for two ninety nine and I don't know what the paperback is going to cost. But it's a it's got the full story. I believed I had this story to write. I believe after years of teaching writing and having a doctor in English that I could write it in a way that I've always taught by students. We don't want people to read our book. We want them to live our story. So you get to live the story in the cockpit with me because I want to believe it later. You know my son won't read it because his dad but for those who would like to have the experience it's there it's all there. Yes later. Hill read it well. He's going to write further chapters that I could not be prouder of him. He's a great captain. I sat on his jump seat before when the things go to worms as we like to say in the GP world and he handles it well. He's a very systematic guy very thoughtful smart person so I couldn't be prouder him. He's a better captain than I I am. I believe that and he will be a better captain so I'm very proud of him very good. Very Good Chris Manno. Thanks so much. Thank you Max do we have. What's up with the GEEKS Just give a quick update on What we're doing on aviation news talk this week. That's about it. Otherwise it's groundhog day. Man Star Wars Day Groundhog Day. It is Star Wars Day. The fourth is we record this. So tell us what's What's up with the most recent episode of Your Podcast Aviation Newstalk? So this week we are taking a deep dive into weight and balance both the the theory as well as some of the accidents that have occurred when people didn't get weight and balanced quite correctly and also a little bit about how weight and balance differs a little bit as you get into two larger airplanes so the same things that g pilots are taught are similar but a little bit different when you start getting into the aircraft. So that's what's happening on aviation news talk this week you know. Wait INBOUNDS I. I should ask Chris. Because I've thought of I've wondered about this for years which is on those occasions where I heard pilot making an announcement about you know. Talk over on the left side of the aircraft you can see mount whatever and everybody. Kinda shifts over to the to the left is that a balanced issue is that you know if everybody went over you would probably definitely notice it So for example I remember reading that the old D C. Three pilots used to say that they could tell when the flight attendant was walking up and down the aisle. Just because of the the pitch trim is you know. The personal went from the back of the airplane to that to the front of the airplane. So it affect. I have There have been times in smaller craft where I've just slid my seat back in the full distance in that actually make a noticeable difference in the trim of the aircraft. Well you're not a tiny guy. Oh what is your point here. Now it actually I was in the vision jet and that That seats slides back a full three feet. So absolutely you will three eight yet. Which is why it's so easy to get into all it slides back for you. Pull its way back. And then you slide way forward in the case. I'm remembering I needed to get something out of the second row seats and so as I slid my seat three feet back. The pilot of the left cog commented that hey we need to retrain this jet. Yeah yeah all right that makes sense that makes sense all right of course Everybody probably knows by now. But Oshkosh for twenty twenty has been canceled not postponed but cancelled me. It was just becoming too unreasonable to to plan it. They you know they kind of restricted in many ways right now as we all are which prevented just the usual tasks for getting ready for the event so with with all that and the uncertainty Wisconsin has other states do the kind of three stages to to reopening and Wisconsin isn't even in there hasn't reached stage one yet little alone stage. Three that allows for mass gatherings such as you would find it It Air Venture. So that's off unfortunately but I'm already starting to get a little little birdies. Tell me about how Maybe those who are farther afield and maybe weren't planning to to be able to make it Skies this year are GonNa make plans to attend next year. So maybe oshkosh twenty twenty one will be a giant affair that we can all all attend. That would be fun. You know everything is changing my Daughter was supposed to be married at the end of this month and she sent out in a messages. A Okasha were two weeks ago. Maybe three weeks now that basically said hey thanks everybody but we're we're not holding the wedding here at the end of. May as we had planned. Initially she was pretty upset about it but now she's gotTa realize in the Grand Scheme of things not that big a deal also she's planning to do it Same time next year. Very good all right. Well we've had over the past weeks some examples of things you can do at home while the while. You're saying quarantined and we had one come in This is from the folks at Fsi. Expo Sim expo and it comes from Pilots I dot TV say. They've produced a little something to help us. Get the aviation field back. So this is fourteen. Hundred Takeoffs and landings from Frankfurt recorded in ultra hd over eighteen hours. It's not I don't think it sped up it. It's the view from the tower windows for a full day of operations at the airport. So if you are so inclined and would like to essentially look out the tower window over Frankfurt for an entire day. You can spend hours and hours watching this video. So we'll we'll have linked to that in the show notes otherwise I think that's it for this episode. We want to thank you for listening to the airplane geeks. Podcast our guests was Chris. Manno you can Find his Stuff at the jet head blog which will have a link to that in the show notes and yeah we didn't really talk about L. David brought it up but Chris has written some other things. And there's the comics which you're just hysterical and there's there's a lotta great stuff that Chris has produced over the years and check out. An airline pilots life on Amazon is he mentioned Coming later this month which is made twenty twenty. The the full full book will be there highly. Recommend that it's a great read. It's one of those reeds where you just get absorbed in it I it's an enjoyable read. It's a easy reason not dance But it really has just one first person view if you will After another great book and I enjoyed looking a couple the sample cartoons from flaked Karua confidential. Some of which are not repeatable here on the air by the way they are. There aren't really fun though they are. Yeah Yeah Yeah all right Find this airplane. Geeks DOT COM linked to the show notes. Direct link to the show notes airplane GEEKS DOT com slash six zero to send us an e mail. That's the geeks at airplane. Geeks DOT COM so David vanhove where to folks find you while you can find me on our slack listener team and you can do that by Sending us an email to the geeks at airplane GEEKS DOT COM. And we'll invite you into the secret club and give you the secret handshake. Although we're not supposed to handshake anymore. 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1121: "Accelerationism"

"We work hard to create some of the best audio in the world and on curry John's. He divorced seventeen twenty nineteen fist is your ward. Winning give on nation media assassination. Episode eleven twenty one this is no agenda reading the manifesto. So you don't have to am broadcasting live from the capital of the drone star state here in downtown Austin Tejas in the Cuneo in the morning, everybody. I'm Adam curry from northern Silicon Valley where we all say top that the in the morning, I'm Jensen. Nba's kale in the Mon the top of the in the morning. Yes. It's in Patras day this right? I almost forgot. As been it's been such a nutty couple of days that you know, we forgot to children are out protesting. Forgot Saint Patrick's Day is just. Everything is everything is up in the air. Children. They're out protesting. Yeah. We'll start off with my news from yesterday at the end. Yeah. Other than minor news. I believe that we are starting to see a tipping point with the phone zombies. Yeah. Go on. Okay yesterday. We went over to the house to you know, we were starting to move some stuff slowly bit by bit doing it. Ourselves saves costs on the movers. And we're driving back and run. I think it was to ruin Ned south east Austin were going towards north and we're in the left hand now south by southwest. So it's a little busier. But it was also be around five o'clock. It was over by now. And I think today or tomorrow, maybe even as the last day, it's until the eighteenth. Yeah. So people either left Thursday or leaving today or tomorrow anyway. So it's a little bit busier, certainly run five o'clock, and we have some rush hour traffic anyway and traffic in Austin is pretty bad. And it's a, you know, four lanes two on each side. I'm in left hand lane. And I have to stop. We're right near the lake is is the car that's waiting to turn left waiting for breaking traffic to park by the lake and I'm with the. Tina and with the least and we're just chatting away and we get rear ended so hard by a. I would say she's probably at twenty twenty five twenty six young millennial. And you've been rear ended. I mean, even when someone really hits without there was no break screeches. She went fall on into us. Probably doing me probably thinking about four on her phone while exactly that. So I I check ourselves. We're all okay. I get out per her thing is totaled. Her head is down in the airbag. I'm like, holy crap. This is not good. So I I opened the door holding the phone. No, I opened the door, and she's days mean, she's seriously days, but there's no lacerations or anything, and you know, the airbag is still smoking. And and the first thing she says is my brakes didn't work, and I see the phone between her legs on the ground with Google maps open. And that was I just kept kept her calm and the Asser to sit, you know, stay put and don't move until and Austin police and fire department that there within three minutes so fast. And so I didn't have any further contact with her which I actually was kind of weird. You know, maybe come up afterwards and say, hey, sorry. But now didn't get any of that. I know she's gonna do that. She probably shouldn't what do you mean? It's an admission of guilt. Right. And so, you know, me, of course, I'm talking to the firemen and fire women I'm talking to the cops and autographs assign an autographs exactly and looking at their gear. And you know, how these reports are done, which is pretty cool. It's automated they'd just scan your your registration sticker. They got all your details right there on the front of the car with a barcode. They got everything and go into a car rental place. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Like that. And. As the you know, I'm talking guy says. Yeah, distracted driver. I said. Yeah. So she okay. Yeah. She's just a little shaken up. She's coming out of it, saying her break didn't work and I look at him. He says, yeah, I gotta put it down. Because that's what she said. But this happens every day. Now, it almost happened to me this morning. He says, you know, someone I was in the right hand lane. So the person behind me could swerve off into the grass places happening every day. And it makes sense. You have these slower speed, you know, thirty five average probably mile an hour rear endings. Because all you need to do is look down for the second and a half and you've traveled right into someone's tailgate. I think we're gonna see a lot more of this. Well, we wouldn't she a lot more of it. If the phone companies were more responsible. I'm talking about the handset makers day could fix their phones. So this is not even possible. Do I'd not even. Ten miles an hour. Yeah. How do you think? I would go over with the public. Do you think the public would accept that? I don't think so I wouldn't accept it. Don't tell me what to do much your slave. That's what they should do. But then that the law come into play our legislator led legislative people. Why don't we let them, you know, to finally do something about this this plague and pass a law that the phone companies have to do that. Well, I I will say that in Austin, we have very strict laws for we have them in California to a dozen help. I'm just saying that here they every morning Tina drives to work every morning, and they'll be waiting. You know, one is waiting on his bike kind of, you know, looking looking his knees or something. And then he signals ahead this on their phone. I think it's three or five hundred dollars. Now just for just for holding or touching your phone while driving. We'll good. I don't think it deters anyone. But anyway, I don't think it does either. Because you just do it underneath the unit. Can't see anything tame my my tailgate his and she had hers between your legs. Yeah. Now, she was holding onto the wound up on the floor and cacique Google maps like Alkali, I got it. Anyway, I'm glad everyone unhurt for a rude awakening. Yeah. I could just I mean, no squeal of brakes, man. Nothing's he's he went straight in crazy. Crazy guys weren't hurt. Now wants to work with a guy who is an insurance guy worked for insurance company, can it made most of his money on of. Doing these little insurance scams, including he says, one of his one of the best that you can do is you drive around lake Merritt this before cell phones nowadays, you can do this much easier. You drive around lake Merritt until you saw somebody right behind you doing her lipstick. Slam on your brakes and let a Barreiro Enger and as always good for a good amount of money. But he says if you get rear ended like you just did is advice was to just lay there and wait. And wait for instant. I need an ambulance. Oh, sure. He says good for a quarter of a million. Yeah. And for moment there you consider that thinking like an and they kept asking me. Are you? Sure. You're and I'm good. You know, you sure, you're okay when okay fine. And if we didn't have headrests. Yeah. That we would not have been fine at all. That's what the headdress are forced to break your neck because that would have been bad. But I guess you know, what my exit strategy came and went didn't even see it. Dammit Leno happen again from the sounds of your prediction. Yeah. Exactly. You can just wait for just you can probably even like draw a foul in basketball. He can probably just think slow down here and stop for a second. Maybe one hundred yards past the stop light. See what happens? Anyway. Oh, that's that's a little more exciting than anything. I did today. Well, whatever yesterday, I guess today. I just started. I mean, I've I've just been deep down there so much so much interesting stuff to talk about. Since we started with the millennial douchebag hit rear ending, you might as well play this that, you know, Facebook went down, we didn't talk really too much about it. But apparently was discussed to excess. To excess on NPR o on this one of the fine NPR. I think the name of it's it's been a minute is the name of the show, and it is a it's a millennial show, and you're going to hear the millennials discussing the great details, and they're going to get a lot of details are gonna find all the really deep information. Well, let's this is the bonus clip. None. I was wondering what these bonus clips were Sally you're last. What are your three words while? Julia. Speaking of infinite and endless ways of interacting with the news. Mike three were is our hashtag Facebook down. Well, as you may know earlier this week Facebook went down for I think about fourteen hours and also the quote unquote, Facebook family of apps as they call it that way of talking about all of the internet that they own which is Instagram it yet, and what's up tender. So people are having was Tinder down. I have no idea. What you might know a lot of trouble accessing Facebook and Instagram in posting interacting with it. And I think it affected people in multiple countries. Right. I was affected by my it made it so that I couldn't like compulsively refresh. Facebook for no reason which allowed I yeah. I know you would think that no I feel like at this point my need to check Facebook has been coming in coded on like there's something evolutionary happening. I just instinctually I'll have Facebook open, and I'll be like, I should open Facebook. And it's like it's already there. But now it's built in. Wow. So there was pandemonium. And I think it affected people in real ways like coup rely on for example, what's apt to communicate with people internationally. But I think for me and most of the people I was talking to it affects us just in that like for example, posted something on Instagram that morning, and I was really hoping to get some likes high staged a really nice photo to. Thank you. Oh, yes. Oh, we've all been there haven't we sanding? Holy crap. Bonus flipping DR people. This is this the new NPR is this the future of NPR these reporters in space Lineas talking like li-, I li- like and a lot of that going on. All vocal fry. And this guy licked everything she says very girly like he'll try to you know, he's John come on. We've all been there when you style your picture you wanted some likes and you couldn't get it. I mean, it's it's a bad day man today. Recor come on. Well, let's let her continue. Thank you understanding. I I recently put my phone to gray scale to try and not use it as much which basically means that it looks like a black and white TV or whatever. You know, what happened? I still use all of the apps. I just have no pleasure in you. I mean. I mean, not happy about it. But I'm using them. Basically just as much as I was when it was color. It's really I feel defeated honestly. But the thing about this particular Facebook outage is that I noticed recently that when I brought it up to people more people than usual when there's some sort of outage in an app, we use all the time. More people are like, oh, I didn't notice because for example, your phones in gray scale are my wife took Facebook offer phone, and as a result is using it like ninety five percent last. So she didn't know about it. And I feel like that was the other thing like half of experiencing panic because we couldn't access our social media. But then like half of people were like floating with equanimity on a cloud being like, I didn't even notice them because I deleted that up. It's funny because a kind of been reconnecting with an old friend who figures the cost like and like you gotta get online with the rest of us. So I we know what's happening your life. It's like, I'm sorry. I'm just not the kind of person who does that. I don't I'm not office. I'm like, you know, what I think you made the right choice. Yeah. Right. We've come around now that there's a point where that was like the pretentious choice. And now, it's actually the most honorable admirable. I want to be like you day. Facebook. Why? Yeah. Well, this is very disturbing to hear. I thought you'd think some very disturbing. This is NPR people. Can I I'll give you a borderline because it's NPR. That's for the combo the two, but really like you can't honor this kind of stuff, that's really bad. That's that's like really bad, man. Like, you know, it's like like like. Like like like like like like like, honestly. Right. Honestly. Like, right. What are they doing? These chilis got me in it. Besides the vocal fry. She actually switched into a normal voice when she was imitating some federal hoosiers imitating old person. We'll go fry sounded normal for a very short time. Now, I do have a an ice. Oh that I pulled or at Clark. Dave Druze found this clip and send it to me. Yeah. That's when you don't get any likes. Ooh. That's like we don't get any likes like. Ooh. Right. Honestly. Sure. That's NPR people. Now that is that here you go. This is going to go. And I think a lot of the stuff going on NPR nowadays is very much like why does MSNBC's MSNBC's still have al-shar Poston? It was the problem with this clip is I am not going to start obsessing over the use of the word like which you just used like. Yeah. It's like it's like we can catch each other. Okay. That'll be an eight hour show. If you look at the word cloud for eating and we have the transcript. NA transcripts dot online. I believe it is. And if you look at the word cloud like is the biggest word, it's it's always. Larry stuck we've already been already been infected. We have people. We have we have. Shall we discuss the New Zealand mosque massacre? Well, I have a bunch of clips. So I guess we must. Yes before we jump into clips. And I knew I knew you would have clips, and I'm pretty sure you knew I would be looking at the manifesto ES. I actually shorted myself a couple of things I caught the shootings as will not as they were occurring than ever saw the stream. But I did catch the night of because I I was I was watching. I was watching popcorn. And then I switched his CBS N, and they had a feed from TV three. And then I saw I went to the computer star recording. It TV three is an Australian local channel, and there's the they had these didn't play CBS, and that was just the feed from Australian. So I managed to get a few kind of interesting clips, I don't think any of them were that great over my couple of observations as this started. I means we saw an with memes. I mean stuff that really went viral was it I think it was even a graphic that showed the four steps you have to take when the tragedy happens. You know, don't immediately start report. It was almost something that would have been handed out to journalists. You know, the first information is not always correct, you know, better to report correctly than than fast. And this was this propagated very quickly. The next thing. I saw. Saw was and typically when even if the person is known only through a social media account, though, say all right? The guy's name was Brenton Tarrant typically they'll have his middle name in their Brinton Tarrant, which I think this guy has like, Hugh or something whatever it is. But they didn't it was continuously the alleged shooter identifies as Brinton Tarrant on social media. It was something different. I'm not saying there's anything nefarious too. But I thought that was interesting that the media reported that differently. And then came the part that bugged me the most as I had already received a a full video copy offline video copy of the streaming video and multiple copies of a said manifesto the great replacement. Everyone was saying don't share the document don't read the document don't share his name don't share the manifest adult. Read. Don't share don't rate. That is. So it, you know, how that bugs me well couple of things, and I'll just say why Bruce str- in New Zealand because the reporters were saying the same thing. What was Shapiro? They would do their do the report into by the way, the New Zealand accent is so terrible. Harsh is really a bad. Accent is very hard to hear what they're saying. But they make a big point. They do the oldest reporting. They say we vise you to not do this not do that. Now, devise you not to pass information around. Right. But then Ben hero. Was number one is used links to the video another thing. Don't use links the video but Shapiro was doing this in. I don't care what you say. If someone kills people like Ted Kaczynski, it's worth a read. What was he thinking and to me? And that's where I'll come in. You have clips I have a couple of things and may add some color that to me is is the. Gross atrocity, the second atrocity taking place we had the killings as the first. And then this literal. No, yeah. M five m information bomb intended to get a specific response. It's written in the manifest though. And everyone's doing it. So let's get into what you've gotten them. We'll circle around to that. Okay. Israel, the I think the massacre subcategory. Yeah. There's a good one. This is one of those early reports about somebody who was actually there and watching it. This is the massacre man on the street report from TV three you sit there with the Muslims cast packed hey with Muslim than lower just chatting away, but they same. They've doesn't seem to be up seat. I certainly were fought minutes team and a slight because I come bake. So I'm thinking that this goal. I. This was prior to the most shootings on your nothing that you do you think he was maybe shooting people in this area before he went down to the mosque shoot net. But he didn't. Anybody that he shot, but he soon to stunt has often twice while I don't know what he's shooting it. Whether you shouldn't get Muslims in Qasr because dick. I had another hit another cow views can't see. But these a cat just beyond us he outside of the code. And actually that has been shot out. It might be that police not we that. He was feeding this fat in here. Car even exists, but the sitting in the motel go we'll be because he's shot strident. And we you I I mean, we're pretty close here. This is we you know, how many meat is. Are we talking at your wife from the sky? What does the rug so train a half SIA? Train a half SIA with flip full latest fluffing from it. So you could see into his eyes. I mean, well, it was European see told to place this. It was hard to pick because he had the complete covetous like they have sought of US, Vice luck swat going. And but of a reflection on the window. But yeah, he was deeply European them six Bill, and this was so he was. What is a typical? And looking back. Now, you didn't know the time, but he has clearly being tagging Muslims. He's killed Susie of them. Just down the road. Here. Do you think that he didn't want to kill you? Because he always had an opportunity to kill you. This is this is this is a man who's killed thirty people that you come face to face. Look he'd done up. What even he probably would have shown me? But I look like KB black or mostly black. On meet them. 'cause like understand what was going on. But hit he pointed a gun with me or to hold. Trust me curious accounts again but recommending he was reloading. I mean, we're sitting here having a conversation. Now, you've just looked man in the eye on your front. He's killed city people in terrorist. Take ross. I didn't say that at the time. We're not used to this little Stephanie choices deadline New Zealand texture, your boss apprise. Yeah. That's not very intelligible for many. Thank him barely understand half of what he said keep saying sexy body, but he's not he's saying something else. I wanna point out just before we delve into it. We're just going straight into deconstruction. So we're not going to waste your time. With would should you. Have course as horrible as sucks. Everyone gets it. Then whatever we discussed not naturally our opinion. We just have to go through whatever we see what we have. Yeah. We're not yet. It was terrible. And it seemed to and I will say this the reporters that were on the scene. I've never seen this one guy in particular was just about the cry. And he was shaky for he was doing standup. And it was like it there. You know, it was a horrible situation. One. There is a intelligence guy named Paul Buchanan who it moved to New Zealand from the United States and he worked for the one of the agencies. We don't know which and he came on this show Zealand as part of five is, you know, so there, so there's there's they're they're spooks there. Yeah. He may be spook work there now, but he was on the set, and he was pontiff accounting like the expect Americans to do. And I do have three clips from this guy and pretty short, but let's play massacre, Paul Buchanan on TV three the vitriol, the hatred, and in this, particular instance, the Islamaphobia that comes through these blogs and they're not censored, they're not donating monitored. As far as I can tell them. They're allowed to get away with it. And then you get that pack mentality going on. On the fringes of the pack are people like this. Now, the fact that he talked. Scoops. They're talking about eight ten and that kind of stuff is that until they're talking about this this free in general about the unmonitored blogging. Oh, okay. I'm gonna tell you that I've been advanced this matai three themes that we're gonna that. I'm going to have some clips at backup one. They seem to be emphasizing those nut balls online, and they should be stopped. The other one is that this was terrorism instead of an act of insanity. It was terrorism at needs to be defined as such. Okay. And so that came up in that came up over and over again. And then there was there was a lot less about the guns, you know, gun control because already have pretty unbelievable gun control there, which is ironic anyway, there's the getting away with blogging of blogging without a license is the way I'm looking at it. The in the last one was this was very comparable to nine eleven. Okay. So this guy back, especially I just skipped the rest of that. When you go to Buchanan to pop Holman in Canada's, I guess at the moment on especially this of the project has way try and pace give what happened today, and what the future looks like pull have out that issue. The Connell rise wasn't the t would being used terrorism would well, it's absolutely an act of terrorism and anyone who would say, otherwise clearly doesn't know what they're talking about. This was done to intimidate the Muslim community in fact, again, I'll go back to this skies. Manifesto? He says he wrote this prior to committing this act. So he outlines why he's doing it. He says he's going to get the foreign invaders out. He's going to put fear into the hearts. He's going to vengeance. All the European deaths at the hands of Muslims. This was a political act. A politic. Title Act of violence. There is no way you cannot say it was terrorism. And if you say, oh, he was mentally ill. And that well one might argue that every act of terrorism is an act of madness. But the point here, it was very political in nature, and so by any definition narrow or broad this was a terrorist act, and it again, it's a watershed moment in our history because it dwarfs anything that has happened to New Zealand in the past wrangling Zealand now inflicted. Well, we're expected with this virus of confrontational to the point of homicidal. All right. Do you think this was not a terrorist attack? I have. Yeah. I don't think it was a terrorist attack. I want to read from his manifesto, which surprised me that the journalists sites the document. And by the way is a big difference between a manifest though, like Ted Kaczynski in this. But I have other things to say about it it a about a third of this document is. Reads, like an ask me anything on Reddit after it's done, so his so you have the question and the answer or you could say it looks like an interview. So he questions are asked and highlighted in bold question. Do you consider this a terrorist attack his answer by the definition, then yes, it is a terrorist attack? But I believe it is a partisan action against an occupying force. Just interesting that the journalists there did mention what he what is actual words were. Yeah. That manifest those really a dog. All right. Let's go to sorry. What do you mean by what do you mean by dog? Well, there's a lot of cut and paste in that other people have pointed out. Okay. We'll talk about it in the minute you dear clips because I'm gonna have to disagree. But let's let's get you. Don't think there's any cut and paste in there. Every document is cut and paste. But I know, but I mean, no, no, it's not like the compendium of unders brevity that was cut and paste. This is written answer Kirk Paul three. This is the other one intelligence and defense policy analyst you've had some big dies. And I'll ask you just before we went on air. See it have you had a big day, and you might a chilling parallel. Yes. This is in terms of what happened as of two o'clock in the afternoon. The only thing that I can compare it to his nine eleven. No. Yeah. Not in scale of destruction. But in scale of what how it's spreading and being reported and hopefully changing or with hopes of changing minds and thinking. Yeah, I think I think it is equal to that on a media level, but not not anywhere near destruction. And then we have the this is the continuation decisi appreciate clip before his comments about terrorism. But here's massacre TV three terrorism. Also a sentiment that's been expressed by Manian the Muslim community. Why are we not calling this an active Terrassa will return to very certain? Oh, that's again why we not calling an act of terrorism if easy to do that is this important. Because it I it sets in gosh, it's a whole different ballgame when his terrorism versus domestic violence or. Or mentally ill. I think you know, you can go after a group of people. With with similar ideology. Well, yeah, I think you can't maybe I think they've shoehorning this in there. Here's the way, I'm looking at this guy was nuts. And he has all the elements of guy who's nuts. And he does this. He's apparently a red at guy, and this is like part of some new thing there, you know, people are doing cold shit posting while does not exotic we go to the no agenda read it. That's what they they call themselves should posters was because they are. Yeah. But this whole thing is like, it's it's almost like real life real lar lar ping with a purpose. I'd say for H in is is is a part of that. I would think that terrorism is to me terrorism is a scheme, and it's not a you could say anything's terrorism. If you you know, you could lift up somebody's skirt walking down the street, and then scream at someone that's kind of tear everything could be terrorism. If you're going to loosen the definition, so too extreme, and but did the insistence that it's terrorism to me is the reason for looks as if there's a reason for it being why are we why do we have to call this terrorism? Why can't we call it one nutball wedding? We call some of the shoe school shootings terrorism were was terrorism per se or is it just alone screwball. The guy walked into into the Aurora theater and shot it up is that terrorism. We could call it terrorism as you're insisting on it. But is it terrorism? And I think does insistence that they call it terrorism. There's something behind well. Let's look. To this has nothing to do with New Zealand, but we can look at title twenty two chapter thirty eight of the United States code as the terrorism is defined as premeditated politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents. Gives his last two words that some national groups or clandestine agents. Yeah. That that negate this being terrorism guy's not a clandestine agent of anybody. And he's not some unless unless you're calling him a agent of Australia. He's calling himself. Combs of whatever he wants. Would you say he's a member of subnational group of white nationalists? No, that's not a national group named the group. I white nationalist. That is not a group. That's just the definition. That's that's a vagary it doesn't group. So if they had a name like proud boys, not that they are. But I'm just throwing something out there that is a named group than it than it could be a subnational group. I think it's closer. Okay. All right. I'm just saying my the way I'm looking at this that they're they're trying to shoehorn this terrorism idea he did call himself an eco fascist. Consistently consistently. Yeah. Why? Well, why why is it different question? The the guy is like he's screwed. This guy is insane. Yeah. I I don't think this guy is not in his mocking everything, including his own manifesto is just like a it's just no nonsense documentary. I have I I have an apparent rhythm thing is a nonsense. Okay. I mean, they're trying to make into a terrorist thing like and understand the Muslims thinking that would we should do that. Because you're always blaming us as a group you always blaming Muslims as a group of being a bunch of terrorists of your walk around the Haji by or anything where a hat your terrorists Muslim. And so I can see whether trying to make it look like, well, no, you guys are the worst worst terrorists. And we are I think is nonsense. I think the whole thing was it was insane incident by some screwball. And that's as far as I can take it. Okay. So I read the document multiple times marked it up and put it in the show notes as I usually do I think that this. I agree with you. I don't think this is necessarily. This guy is the least interesting part of the story to me, the document is interesting to me, and it's not just a cut and paste job. And I re- I really read through this. And I really scoured it and it immediately. It reminded me of the brevity Anders Breivik who murdered was it like eighty eighty people in Norway. I saw long ago forgotten. But it was that many. But it was a lot. It was maybe it was sixteen island. They couldn't get off. But who they were who who they were was important because Brian Vicks in his compendium, which is a is a definition of cut cut and paste job his compendium, specifically stated that he wanted to stop the next generation of left wing. He made even said socialist politicians in these were young kids of whatever the political party was who were on a retreat and he wanted to stop them. So that he would therefore stop the. The immigration of Brown people into his white country and all of the stuff that he brought up there with the stop in the Ottoman empire was at sixteen eighty three in Vienna. The crusades all of this was about the Ottoman empire invading us, and how could our politicians sell us out of speaking on his bath. How could our politicians sell us out to allow the Ottoman empire to still come in and invade our country, which is always described as a white supremacist, but which I don't think brevity was white nationalist. Yes. And it's the same for this guy. Now, it has a beginning a middle and an end this document, and he starts with with the some some scribe which is not that important but his introduction. It's the birthright, and he he he says that over and over again if there's one thing I want you to remember from these. Writings that the birth rates must change even if we were to deport all non Europeans from our lands tomorrow. The European people would still be spiraling into decay and eventual death, and we and we know that this is a general theme and. The reason why I find this interesting to me personally to dive into is when I moved back to the Netherlands at the end of the of ninety nine at it was a different country and the problem that people were talking about was Muslim immigrants and specifically at the time Moroccans and there was pinned for town. He was the politician who was saying we have to stop this llama fixation we have to stop. He may have used the invader term. I don't remember that specifically, but he was on on the path to win the the Dutch elections political elections with his party. He would become the prime minister his party won posthumously, but two weeks before he was assassinated. So I saw this and I saw the people like taxi Eric now, he's not a guy is going to go grab a gun and go kill Muslims. But there is definitely a feeling amongst white Europeans that they're being invaded. And I'm just using that term loosely. So it's not. A made up problem. Mass immigration higher fertility for tippety rates of the immigrants themselves are causing this increase in the population. We are experiencing an invasion on a level never seen before in history. Millions of people pouring across our borders legally invited by the state and corporate entities to replace the white people who have failed to reproduce failed to create the cheap labor and new concern consumers and tax base that the corporations and states need to thrive. The title of his document again is the great the great replacement, and that's it's on Wikipedia as a conspiracy theory. Of course. The great replacement league Hong that plus mall on phone set is a right wing conspiracy theory, of course, which states that the this is Wiki pedia so take the right wing with whatever grain of salt, you want which states at the white Catholic French population and the white Christian European population at large is being systematically replaced with non-european people, and he goes into the story of his travels and how he how he traveled around France. And how he saw that this indeed was taken we don't see this. Because it's you know, we'll see something going on in Perez, and you will hear something, and we hear about no goes owns. But I think you will agree with me that there is a huge Muslim population throughout all of France. And have huge did large pockets like in Lada phones? Leone Leone is it's all over Leone. Yes is a big pocket there. So they. It's interesting because the French kind of meanwhile, of course, the French are having these riots now, they're gone completely out of control. She wants to report on that. While you can't you can't switch topics like that. There may be some connection. So he says, well, he he traveled, and he he actually explains how he came to this to this conclusion, but he says we must crush immigration and deport those invaders already living on our soil. It is not just a matter of our prosperity. But the very survival of our people, and then he goes into this ask me anything where he had. It's it's under the heading answering possible questions in general who are you? Ordinary white, man. Twenty eight years old born in Australia into a working class, low income family. My parents are Scottish Irish English stock I had a regular childhood without any great issues. I'd little interest in education during my schooling, barely achieving a passing grade which was a big big red flag for me because this document is not just by some moron who barely achieved a passing grade this. There's a lot of of memes in here and things that are meant to go viral, which even explained in it more recently been working part time as a kebab removal us. They're very funny. I'm just a regular white man from a regular family who decide to take a stand to ensure future for my family. And then there are five steps that he hopes to achieve and the first one way says I want to take revenge for thousands of European lives lost terror attacks throughout Europe. He even says, actually, and we don't it's difficult for us older guys to understand. But he says I was. Traveling as a tourist in western Europe, frame France, Spain, Portugal, and others the first event that begun to change for him. When when he changed his thinking about invaders he says was the terror attack in Stockholm on the seventh of April twenty seventeen it was yet another terror attack in the seemingly never ending attacks that occurred on a regular basis throughout my adult life. We forget that you know, the first the first terror attacks two thousand one the guy wasn't even ten years old. And then he's just seeing one after another after another after another look at bought the clan. Look at Charlie Hebdo. It's not like this doesn't affect young people. This guy is relatively young. You know, you and I have children in his age bracket. So that when he says I've grown up seeing this. I decided to take a stand. I'm not saying, it's great. But I get it something that hasn't been a part of my life for as long as I can remember cynicism in the face of attacks of the west buys Lama conveyed his were suddenly no longer there. I could no longer bring this near to my face. It could no longer term my back on the violence, something this time was different that difference was about Oscar Lund, and she this is one of the the sisters who was mowed down by the stolen van on the shopping promenade. So he has a lot of reasoning behind. I'm just skipping around a lot of reasoning behind why he's doing this. So here's what he wants to happen as as I on doing this to take revenge for the thousands of European lives lost terror attacks throughout European lands to take revenge for Auckland end to reduce directly reduce immigration rates to European lands by intimidating and physically removing the invaders themselves, so he saying it right there. I want to intimidate which I think is terrorism at to agitate imitation is not terrorists. Okay. I'm not going fine. It doesn't matter to me. Doesn't to agitate the political enemies of my people into action to cause them to over extend their own hand and experienced the eventual and inevitable backlash as a result. I think that's step one has already taken place in. It's it's actually witnessed. Here in this montage, they immediately overstepping the media immediately overstepping their bounds and blaming it on Trump and just so we're very clear what he said about Trump. It was in this question and ask answer section. It's all about the context. And there's if you look at a couple of questions before on. On his. Are you a homophobe? No, I simply do not call to care as simply do not care at all that much gay people do as long as they loyal to their people in place there people's I than I have no issues are you right wing, depending on the definition Scheuer. Are you left-wing depending on the definition Shur? Are you a socialist? Depending on the definition worker. Ownership of the means of production depends on those workers. Are are you a supporter of Donald Trump as a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose question? Mark pure as a policymaker and a leader. Dear god. No. Are you a supporter of Brexit? So it's in the list of questions. It's not exactly the way it's being portrayed as he mentioned Trump. Yes. Symbol of renewed wide identity. You us for God that change people's hearts. Yeah. I have a question for you eight has God needs to change people's language. President Trump whether intentionally or I think a lot of cases even in virtually has provided a lot of fodder for people like this works to have con. Sequential, and we know that at the very pinnacle of power in our own country. The president talking about. I mean, I know it's hard to even call this out. I heard this. When we guests this morning shooter. According to these reports, specifically invoked our president as an inspiration to Matthew earlier about is someone that tonight who's gonna hit Trump's rhetoric and act on it. We know that looks of attack of claim to be Trump supported in recent months I-, there's an intolerance that's being spread in this country in this world, and it comes from the political dialogue. Let's be clear. It comes. From political leaders words have consequences like saying, we have an invasion border the language. He uses in this manifesto is all about invaders. It's also language that President Trump using a campaign ad before the midterm election. Why they're seeing inspiration from our own president John is you have a president who when he was a candidate talked about banning Muslims from entering this this country. So this is the president who has given plenty of rhetorical ammunition. I think to terrorist like this. We need to be. Mindful in our own rhetoric in our own actions. How we're pushing it maybe we need to hear a little less from the president in terms of his his rather incendiary inflammatory rhetoric on a racial or ethnic matters. I don't earlier the president tweeted out a message of sympathy to the victims. But the president of the United States need needs to go further. So disgustingly the five m took this and made it into a screw Trump. It's all his fault. The worst line in. There was he said, I think it was present scanner who said this that. The the shooter. Said Trump was his inspiration. Yes. Oh, I heard a lot of zero evidence not zero and but when people would read the portion of. The two lines about Trump. They would always omit, you know, the context of it and it also bit the second part of the whole second Parsis God. No, the guys disaster. Yes. So the guys talk. This shooter is talking about this three steps. The first one is make everyone go crazy over extend step to to incite violence retaliation and further divide between the European people in the invaders currently occupying European soil. Yeah, I think that's going to work again, any doubles down onto agitate the political enemies of my people into action to over extend their own hand and experience the eventual backlash and then step three I believe may already have happened. He's very specific about this to add momentum to the pendulum swings of history further destabilizing, and polarizing western society in order to eventually destroy. The current nail Listrik hedonist. Stick individualistic insanity. That has taken control of western thought. This is not some dumb line. Someone wrote John is this. I don't I don't know if he wrote it Dono Di he wrote half of that. But step going, I can argue about your deconstruction. Yeah. Step four finally to create conflict between the two ideologies within the United States on the ownership of firearms in order to further the social cultural, political and racial divide within the United States this conflict over the second amendment and the attempted removal of firearms. Firearms rights will ultimately result in civil war that will eventually balkanize the US along political, cultural and most importantly, racial lines. And he feels this is good because the balconies ation of the US will not only result in the racial separation of the people within the United States ensuring the future of the white race on the North American continent. But also ensuring the death of the melting pot pipe dream. US involvement in Kossovo. She'll never occur. Again. We're US NATO forces fought side by side with Muslims and slaughtered Christian Europeans, attempting to remove these Islamic occupiers from Europe. Neither you e. I wasn't really there. When this happened in the ninety s neither you or I can understand how people feel about that. But clearly someone feels something about it. What do you ultimately want? He asks his ask me anything we want. We must ensure the existence of our people and a future for white children. There's no supremacy like and people are less or whatever. He just calls him invaders. Go down. Let me see if there's anything else. Interesting. Why won't anyone do anything? Are you part of any political groups? I'm not a direct member of any organization or group, though, I have donated to many nationalist groups and of interacted with many more. Did the groups you support or lined with order or promote your attack? No, no group ordered my attack. I made the decision myself though, I did contact the reborn knights Templar for a blessing in support of the attack which was given. And I believe that is the Andres under Bret Vic guy did you carry out the attack for fame? These are all really good things that the media could report on and maybe should be looked at in schools. I don't know. Did you carry out the attack for fame no carrying out an attack for fame would be laughable after all who can remember the name of the attackers? And the September eleventh attack in New York. How about the attack on the Pentagon the attackers in the plane that crashed into the field the same day? I will be forgotten quickly. It's gonna point there. Why did you choose Christ Church and this time the best time to attack was yesterday? The next best time is today. Great these little nuggets he throws in there. By the way, we got a note from we have a lot of producers and some nights in in New Zealand. Here's a note from producer tristen New Zealand is pretty tolerant pretty tolerant place, but as always had an undercurrent of racial tension. It's a colony, and it's the one binding fact of all post, colonial countries, they're built on racial inequality. It's inherent in the modern fabric of the country due to its foundation. See the film once we're warriors for New Zealand and see the film, the chant of Jimmie blacksmith for Australia. The thing when New Zealand is that always precedes itself as better than Australia with regards to race relations. But perception is just that I didn't grow up in New Zealand, but in Australia. So I have an outsider's view of New Zealand historically price church has always been a hot hotbed of. White supremacy in New Zealand with skinhead gangs, and hate groups. It's New Zealand's ground zero for that type of thing and has been for decades. I didn't hear that from anybody. For that was here from TV three there. No. I thought that was all I heard because they did they interviewed the mayor and the and they had everybody that was on all the hosts of these news shows they were just going on and on and on and on about how tolerant the New Zealanders are much more. So pretty much anyone else in the world. Of course, they cultural ISM list. Yes. Diversity most important thing in our lives. Yeah. Meanwhile, there are there are people there who also have problem with what they think are invaders regards that the reality is what they think he why did you choose New Zealand as a place to attack. We'll New Zealand was not my original choice for the attack. I only rive to New Zealand to live temporarily whilst I planned and trained, but I soon planned and trained, but I soon found out that New Zealand was as target rich of an environment as anywhere else in the west. Secondly attack in New Zealand would bring to attention to truth of the assault on our civilization that nowhere in the world. Was safe the invaders were in all of our lands, even the remotest areas of the world. And there was nowhere left to go. That was safe and free from mass immigration that you see the beginning to get a little. View of what was going on inside the person who wrote this manifesto head to went to the terrorist attack. Not do you personally hate Muslims and Muslim man or woman living in their homeland snow the Muslim man or woman choosing to invade our lands live on our soil and replace our people. Yes, I dislike them the only Muslim. I truly hate is the convert those from our own people that turn their backs on their heritage turn their backs on their cultures turn their back on their traditions and become blood traitors to their own race. These I hate do you personally hate foreigners or other cultures? No, I spent many years traveling through many many nations everywhere, I traveled barring a few some small exceptions. I was treated wonderfully often as a guest, even as a friend the very cultures the world. Greeted me with warmth. A compassionate very much. Enjoyed nearly every moment I spent with him. Did you commit now? Is it racist? He just and it's it's it's worth reading. I'm not gonna read every single bit of it. But it's all marked up with their other targets planned in your attack. Many one thing that can be said about the current state of the west is that we live in a target, rich, environment, traitors, and enemies, abound. And then you know, where he was Zena folk. No, no culture, scares me. Are you in Islam Afo? No. Are you white nationalist? Yes. Predominantly an ethno-nationalist. I place importance on the health and wellbeing of my race above all else. Are you a Nazi? No actual Nazis did not exist. They haven't been a political or social force in the world for more than sixty years. Are you an anti Semite? No agility in Israel is no enemy of mines long as they do not seek to subvert or harm. My people. Are you conservative note? Conservatism has corporatism in disguise I want no part of it. And now, here's an interesting seems kind of odd until you look into some of the documentation are you a fascist? Yes. Yes. For once the person that will be called. The fascist is an actual fascist. I am sure journalists will love that. No. Because they won't report it, I mostly agree with sir Oswald, Moseley's views and consider myself an eco fascist by nature, the nation with the closest political and social values to my own is the People's Republic of China. But. Quite sure how that fits in. But it's worth mentioning. It was all worth mentioning, but you don't think this guy this guy, a little sketchy. Now, this whole manifest we have like this guy is is irrelevant. I don't think he wrote this. Let's just look at the situation it was chosen eroded his chosen at a very specific country for specific reasons as I just I'm looking at what happened in the document not this guy, and I'm not calling it a false flag because it's very sophisticated operation. The the the weapons where he has all this writing on them and his heroes. And it's the it's the dates of of holding back the Ottoman empire. That was meant to be found is meant to show this so people maybe start researching or thinking about it's very obvious. This is a. A mind bomb. It's to get people to to look at stuff that that's a possibility. I want to mention something else. But just about the video for a second. This was very well done. I person- shooter view with offers a helmet, go pro or one on Chessel pro. I mean, but it was the angle everything was just like a video game of spoken to kids who have seen kids in the twenties who seen it actually kind of underwhelming because it's not as as it doesn't look as violent as a video game does often into sound, you know, the microphones can't capture the sound of of something of a weapon like that going off. It just doesn't sound the same as in real life to pop up sounds kind of phony. But the way that was done. I would say was very, very smart and meant to get the attention of young people. I would like to know we'll. A couple of things one. We under showed predicted that this streaming on Facebook. As would end in something that yes. In fact, there was a I got some NPR clips about this too. And they have all kinds of online terrorism experts who who work at NPR and NBC guests. They're they're experts. But let's talk about the streaming. Yeah. What are we gonna do? Katie Masera's is a cybersecurity expert, and she says, she's a security expert sorry, perhaps we should consider the possibility that not everyone should be able to livestream. It's not a bad idea to potentially have only specific verified accounts allowed to post. And if something that they post that is live streamed does contain violence or hate speech that privilege goes away. But she understands that's going to a lot of controversy. Advocate. You imagine. If as book and Twitter and periscope say, all right? You have to be verified now in order to be able to stream out who is allowed freedom of speech. Look, here's the thing about free speech, and free expression. It's a messy proposition. And there's always going to be abuse. How tompkins? Is a senior faculty at the pointer institute he teaches ethics. It's true off line. It's true online. And if you intend to give people the ability to communicate freely with each other, it's going to be messy and some people are going to abuse it, but most people won't Twitter and YouTube have both condemned the attacks and said, they are working to bring down any video of the shooting. Facebook said in a statement, it moved quickly to take down the shooter's Facebook and Instagram accounts, and the video it also said it is quote removing any praise or support for the crime and the shooter or shooters now. Well, wait stop. But she said at the end there shooter or shooters want to mention sewing it out of the way. Yep. When the reports I started coming in there were four poorly Albany shootings, and it was that two different mosques. And there does to mosque weren't very close to each other. That one guy reported off the streets saying this guy's driving around shooting randomly at any Muslims. Saw which I thought was a little nuts. Yeah. And then he went to the one mosque and shot. Most of the people in any went to another mosque and shot a bunch of people then over time. And it was supposed to be a therapy who guys one hitting the two months simultaneously with two partners. And they in fact, did arrest three men and one woman who are somehow involved, and that's all gone by the wayside in his document. He speak specifically about the three mosques. He is going to target. He says I'm going to do the first one then go to the second one. And if I have time if I get away with it. I'm going to go to third one. So and that is all spelled out in the document. But this is now I'd have never really gone in depth on four Chan and eight Chen. It's beyond me. It's above me. I'm too old. I'm I'm what these people would consider a consider enormity. Maybe a, hyper nor me because I can kind of fathom what's going on there. But a lot of massive memes things that become part of our lexicon, come from these groups, and it's to me, it's very much like know matrix, e underground type groups and. They lead a different live and they get off on. Having the media being influenced by what they do. So this little section here where did you receive research or develop your beliefs? He says the internet, of course, you will not find the truth anywhere else. That's a fortune eight Chen sarcastic joke and all of this is in there too right after another were you taught violence, extremism and extremism by video games, music, literature and cinema. And he says, yes, Spyro the dragon taught me ethno-nationalism fortnight trained to be a killer into floss on the corpses of my enemies. No. And then finally, and this is how I believe you should read this. Is there a particular person that radicalize you the most? Yes, the person that has influenced me above all was Candice Owens each time. She spoke I was stunned by her insights and her own views helped me push further and further into the belief of violence over meekness, though, I will have to disavow some of her beliefs. The extreme action. She calls for our too much, even for my taste. Sts? Anyone asking why it's like it's the part of the same sarcastic joke. It's star casting material s kanter's Owens is never. It's ADA Chan material. It's eight Chen material. Then here the final step. But I think is the final step of his. Plan. Why do you believe you will be released from prison? I do not expect to be just released. I also expect an eventual Nobel peace prize as was awarded to the terrorist. Nelson Mandela once his own people achieve victory and took power. I expect to be freed in twenty-seven years for my incarceration, the same number of years as Mandela for the same crime. Does something to be said for it not the way he did it. But Mandela was involved in some stuff. Wasn't that why they threw him in jail? It was. Yeah. It was one of the reasons it's Remigio. Are you a fed slash she'll slash Mossad agent slash false flag slash Patsy slash infiltrator slash auntie. Foss lash glow in the dark, etc. No. But the next person to attack could be. So a healthy skepticism is a good thing. Just do not allow your skepticism to turn your paranoia to turn to paranoia. And keep you from supporting those that want the best for you. And. I found this is this your complete writings and views. Unfortunately, not there was a much larger work written roughly two hundred forty pages. This one is about eighty. That spoke on many issues and went into much depth. But in a moment of unbridled self criticism. I deleted the entire work and started again two weeks before the attack itself. I was left with a short period of time to create a new work and only leave my views half finished. I will let my actions speak for themselves. Now, I don't know what that is. Why this in there, but you don't delete anything even off of a hard drive. So if they can retrieve anything be interesting, see what the is in doing anything. It's foolish shit disguise. And then there's the again, this guy is the guy himself was in jail. I don't think is important. It's part of a culture that we really don't know anything about and. Yeah, I think he's obviously nuts. But it's there are people behind him who wrote this. And again, it's not a false flag. It's a real operation. We'll false flags a real operations. Right. But it's not like a country, or, you know, so at all let's do this or let's do this. It's not the government's not the government doing this to to get you remember that we get rid of guns. That's probably our show. And I think the way people look at these things there's differences between false flags real operations real operations that are false flags and hoaxes would nothing happens. All bullcrap we've identified a few of those overtime. But this definitely was not that. No. And then he has notes two different groups of people. He says to conservatives ask yourself truly. What is modern conservatives managed to conserve says, the natural environment, western culture, ethnic autonomy. Religion the nation. The race. Nothing is is conserved. The natural environment is industrialized pulverized. And commoditised easily hates conservatives conservatives. And then if to Christians he posts two passages from the bible, which I don't recognize or not Mark. So I don't know where they're from two auntie, fob, Marxist, and cute communists. I do not want to convert you I do not want to come to understanding egalitarian. And those that believe in higher key will never come to terms. I don't want you by my side. And I don't want you to share power. I want you in my sights. I want your neck under my boot see you on the streets. You anti white scum then to Turks, and he's very specific about in this. Right back to Constantinople, which is today's modern eastern bowl Turks. You can live in peace in your own lands, and may no harm come to you on the east side of the Bosphorus, which is the traditional divide, but we have the devout Islamists. And then the it used to be secular on the on the western side. He goes on to say if you attempt to live in the European lands anywhere west of the Bosphorus Bosphorus. We will kill you and drive you roaches from our lands. We are coming for Constantinople. We will destroy every mosque and minaret in the city. The Hagia Sophia will be free of minarets and Constantinople will be rightfully Christian owned once more. This is the at one point was the largest thing is it was criti- dral. The Hagia Sofia which was a Christian run. And then it became a a mosque. And so I guess that's a an important symbol for guys. Like this, and who is truly to blame the people who are to blame. Most ourselves. European men. Strong men do not get ethnically replace strong men do not allow their culture to degrade strong men do not allow their people to die week men. Have created the situation and strong men are needed to fix it. And then he has a whole list about Wikipedia links of European. Women invaders the rape of European women invaders, and it's more than just Roth room. If you look at the list, that's got Roth Aylesbury ban Banbury Bristol, derby Halifax, Huddersfield Keighley Newcastle. Rochdale Oxford, Peterborough. This is the stuff that Tommy Davidson went to jail for for talking about this. This is all mainly British British places than we have Ashfield Sydney Finland. So this is not a cut and paste. He's showing all the different places where this is happening. The talks about the radicalization of western man about the pedophile rings the failure of assimilation green nationalism. He says is the only true nationalism. There is no green future with never ending population growth, the ideal green world cannot exist in a world of one hundred billion fifty billion or even ten billion people continued immigration into Europe is environmental warfare, and ultimately destructive to nature itself. Two interesting alignment with the with the Greenies there. And then he does call for the death of certain people, which is also not been mentioned. I think you know, it's in the document any says, look, you can do T A T P packages strapped drones in motorcycle, saddle bags, you can convoy ambush ramblings reason, they don't want people talking about the document perhaps that particular I don't even think they'd read this fair John this far. I don't think they ever even saw it. Now, the if it's our media, that's for sure. Well, let's see who needs to die Merckel. The mother of all things anti white anti Germanic is top of the list. He says few have done more to damage an racially cleanse Europe of its people. Aired on the leader of the oldest enemies of our people and the leader of the largest Lama group within Europe. He's very specific this warlord must bleed his last while he visits his ethnic soldiers, currently, occupying Europe, his death will also drive a wedge between the Turk invaders currently occupying our lands in the ethnic European people while simul Tae. Weakening turkeys. Hold on the region is just read the list. I don't need all the details. Suddenly con mayor of London. It's the usual suspects. Yes. And then and then he says in we can leave it at this. The paradox of the diverse equality. The greatest joke of all is the quixotic quixotic foolishness of the diverse, but equal society diversity day. I read that sentence, and I think the use of the word quixotic. But what it like this no way? Unlike I don't even know what it means. Quixotic refers to Don Quixote and the. In your fist windmills. Okay. Well, here's this. He may have gotten this from somewhere else. But he says diversity by it's very different in belies equality. No, two different things can ever truly be equal especially humans. There is no one person equal to any other not identical twins not countryman workers within the class group and certainly not those of different races. Every human is worth only their own value. No, more or less. The more diverse group becomes the less. Equally becomes diversity is anathema to equality one cannot exist without with the other. Which is true. All right. So I don't know. Whether that's true or not what diversity and equality in people. You you can't I agree with philosophical it could be argued every which way forever. Buying this guy. I mean, this this everything you read just doesn't sound like this like any like this who this guy is is a high school dropout using the words like quixotic. And then he's he's philosophizing about diversity versus equality. This this stuff. This, you know, very high and data electricals that sit around bitch or pitch. What am I San discussing these topics? Yes. Using all kinds of just this thing is very as I think it's going to be shown at this guy, the demon travel around sky, but again, John I'll just repeat it. This guy is not this document is not this guy where we agree on that. So whatever they will everyone's focusing on this guy. This thinking is out there. This thinking is not him in a in a vacuum. This thinking is amongst people not the killing in the death. But the spare good obviously, just think is out there because somebody put that document together whether it was him or whoever exact, but it it's not a. Yeah. I think there's a lot of stuff in that document that is something to be concerned about yes. And especially when he starts using code the tone of this document is all about. The internet. He writes it in this sort of snarky adolescent style, especially there's this lengthy self interview. He does sort of imagining what the media might ask him. It's really self important, but it's also full of all these winking references to internet memes. And it's very self-aware at one point even says that his racist project relies on quote, edgy humor and memes in the vanguard stage in order to attack attract young people. Can you give us an example of that? Well, probably the one everyone's talking about is how when he was streaming live video during his attack. Right. The start. He says subscribed to Pudi pie. Now that sounds bizarre to the average grown-up, but you need to understand that Pudi pie is this Swedish video game playing YouTube star. And his crown is the most subscribed to person on YouTube had been threatened by another YouTube account out of India. So for a lot of people or some people subscribe to PD pious sort of internet code for supporting white Europeans. Well, I suppose you could make that interpretation. Well, but, but it's it doesn't really matter because the interpretation that's NPR. This is the interpretation that's being made. So what I see happening is a mean feel document which is being which is meant to be cherry picked from it set up that way, it's it's happening. And it's delighting people who. Have this similar invader belief? But when it's described on television as crazy white supremacist don't read the document, this should be discussed and explained in schools because it's very easy for these children any child to fall into this. And I consider anyone under thirty eligible for this kind of bowl. So I'm I'm concerned about and that is probably the fourth name to come out of this. Besides it's nine eleven blog should be monitored in blog should be licensed, and it's terrorism or why isn't it terrorism? I think the the the fourth mean coming out, this is the is this don't read the document. Yeah. Here's a well. Here's the online terrorism expert from NBC, and he's on NPR. And of course, he knows how. Yeah, he really understands what's going on. He has nothing to do with documents. It's Silicon Valley recommend recommendation algorithms. What exactly is that? Oh, sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure there. It is. Sure. Sure. Sure. Yeah. Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. Recommend recommendation algorithms. What exactly is that? So. So say on YouTube video when there's thing in the right sidebar it all plays afterwards. Right. It just gives you know video after thanks to keep things moving. Right, right. I a lot of extremism groups have gained this system as a way to try to get their outreach through through YouTube and Facebook as well. And what they'll do is they'll take these these ideas that will slowly sort of seep into your idea that maybe more militants. Maybe it's not acceptable that you know, that immigration is at highs in your country or something like that. And. Act. Yeah. This guy could've I mean. Obviously, we we don't know a lot of this point. But someone like this could be radicalized in that way. If they were active on sites like that. Oh. We've seen this over and over again, some of the synagogue heater in the United States as well where he's in these spaces this guy was on HMO. And that's where he posted. His his manifesto is linked in the link to the last year as well as other people sort of found it their watching real time h is a message board this effectively like an extremely extremist message board. It's extremely anti-immigrant extremely racist. And completely anonymous unless you out yourself like this guy did once you're all the way down that path. It's really hard to turn back. And that's that's the other thing is that these companies really don't take the steps in time to get people who are not that dangerous to stop them from getting all this content and their system, and you know, drumming up fears themselves and then eventually carrying a racist Teradata. Okay. What these morons don't understand is that places like four Chan and eight ten companies necessarily, and it doesn't matter. You can take it down. You can take it all down the internet is a network and cannon will be utilized by anyone who wants to communicate. In fact, you did having an. Adverse effect by taking these places down in removing people from speech, and I see already see in the troll room. Like, oh, who what idiot will read this and get radicalized? I think a more than you would even dare imagine. It's it's really it doesn't take much when. You see the changes that young people up to thirty have witnessed in Europe. I can't speak for the US is different when immigration country. We this is what we are who we are. You know, the argument of people coming in legally is different from. We don't want people which is what Trump is always a accused of is not true. But in Europe, these are not traditional immigration countries. We had guest workers in every country, and this is now by many perceived to be an invasion living in some shitty. Ass town in France, or the Netherlands or Belgium or England. And then all of a sudden, your entire street view changes is not to be taken lightly. And then you add some of the stuff, and you add some historical stuff about the the the Vatican the Vienna and the Ottoman empire and the and the crusades and the knights Templar, and it's not hard to get an imagine. Young person to say, hey, wait a minute. Can you take this document? It should be the sected deconstructed and spoken with about people in schools because if not the going to interpret it in very in ways that will cause more violence and so fucking media for doing what you're doing blame it on Trump that is the worst. That's exactly the wrong way to go. And it's kind of what this guy's hoping for or whoever this group. I'll say it's a group who wrote this document. Yeah. Well, blame it on Trump. 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No, I I think it's. Is a motorcycle. No. But he gave that up to what I said you had to give that up because he went to stock car racing or other than he could put a no agenda sticker. Yes. On the side of the stock car. He s I'm pretty sure I'm pretty sure his vehicle has some no agenda stuff on it. But he'll have to set a picture, but the pinewood derby, isn't that the downhill race a little go cart that you build yourself? Would you kid? No, I think so I think so that's. That's I don't know. If that isn't or maybe it's still know the pinewood little cars that you make it yourself. You you, wait. I kid you with it out of wood or so. Yeah. Yeah. So box. But it's it's not to sit in. I think it's just a little thing on the track your own little piece of pine. That's the playmate derby, you're talking Buddha's know what you're talking yearly. Okay. Yeah. Clearly. Preface it with debt. But Ronald he needs to he needs travel. He's traveling jobs karnal travel. Jobs, jobs, and jobs. That's. Karma. When you if you see Cobol you should talk to him about penetration testing. Oh, believe me. He's one of the great experts top of the well, we all know on the penetration expert, but okay, if you want to call him the top in the fields fine. We had a computer saw. Yeah. We had a long chat about it. Ronald dairy. Oh, three fourteen sixteen. I've been a douche bag for for too long. Just got my bonus had and I had to chip in the best applied cast in the universe. Keep glory that me going. Chip it in. A great work. I'm hopeful. There will be a Florida meet him sometime in the future. Yeah. Probably jingles d do she a dish to to the head her head has gone and the shrieking Ben Shapiro laugh? That was one of your clips, and I can't remember what you titled it for sure it's not titled laugh or Shapiro. Can you remember what you might have titled that one? Yeah. Yeah. Was it eyeso- is also not under eyeso-? I looked wasn't is news would be under eyeso-. Now. It's not under I so and it had to be within the last month. So you can you can you look at your eyeso- lists and dates sorted. And gimme the last ten. Okay. Here we go. Br. Yes. And we go back to the beginning. I am triggered. Judy a bench, pure baby Hitler's. No, that's not it. Amy iso-. I mean, you just don't title there might be plant on baby Hitler. Let's see. Would you kill baby? Hitler and the truth is not it. Early. Not I'm triggered now. I don't know. But it's whatever it is. You didn't it's lost in wait. Wait, wait. All right. Yes, he shoots. He scores. Going to deduce. And. You've got karma. Not a bad sequence. I it's not like to request a redo. Redo, okay. To to the head and her head is gone. And then the laugh, okay? Sick you're sick. For accuracy. It tells us story, that's the way people should think about these. Yes. It has a beginning middle and an end is beautiful. Yeah. It has its little a little story hit is in clips. It should be something. We need a word for a clip story. Baronet, sir. American-carnage two hundred twenty two dollars and twenty cents. He'll be our first associate executive producer for show twenty one from baronets or American-carnage, please. Keep me anonymous and look for information Email from what's his name says informative funny, though, informative Email. You know, you can put the note in I will do a quick search. I have it. He said informative Email. Hey, john. And Adam wanted to follow up on the note from the Zumur Yang donor to offer. Some this is about what's the guy's name the first this guy's first name Yang's running for president Yang Yang is. I his name is Yang Yang stop. His name is not yin Yang. What's his name? Remember, phil. Bill yang. Andrew, I think Yang is more racist though, I want to follow up on the note from the Zumur yin Yang donor to offer some context to context for Yang support. You have to think in terms of what is called excel. Excellent ration- ISM. Yes. I like this which is a Neo reactionary concept popular with the Zimmer's. I'm a young millennial, but I interact with read this. This is very good note. I am a young millennial, but I interact with their meal year a lot the Yang support ignores immigration and climate change issues with universal basic income because as John mentioned the nihilism has set in. So I'm just going to before I continue. We had a discussion about the universal basic income. And we both agreed that you cannot have open borders. If you need a moat around the country if giving away free money for doing nothing, so he addresses why here why Yang supports or ignores ima-. Immigration climate change. Because as John mentioned, the nihilism is said acceleration ISM, basically posits that America is headed toward doom. So the best thing to do politically is bring it down as fast as possible and grab what bags of money you can in the process thus. Thus Yang appeals to the bleak. Caustic jaded Zumur outlook of those who aren't hyper progressive. It's equal parts mean legitimate, despair shit, posting and anger at Trump's failure to act on his campaign promises. In order one. The country is doomed to the rules. Don't matter three. We might as well. Get that money. This is a common refrain. Sorry. This is overly long. But I think it's valuable Zimmer and Yang context n j and k I appreciate the this story. But also term acceleration ISM is fantastic. It acceleration isn't is what this this. This douche in New Zealand. Basically, did I would say that's true. And I will point out that acceleration is if we're going to use the term would account for the dominion ests during the George Bush administration wanting to create a chaos in the Middle East of the point where it would be. 'cause the rapture, right? So that's yes, you're so right. The dominion is can we just call them cookie cookie? Religious not well, we probably have a lot of dominion, est. That listen to the show really sitting. Oh day only knew have two story. Now. Like is this latter day saints only, then more? Now, they're they're they're Christian fundamentalists that believe in the end the end times are near and they preach around that belief. So that's the in times are near like near like the in the next couple of days. That's the the guy the guys who knock on your door with the bible. Those are the Seventh Day Adventists. That's a different group now dominion on. No. I'm not thinking of those other one bar MS that knocked on your door seven Day Adventists knock on your door. Jehovah's wit your hope as witnessed Jovis witness. They are closer to that. I think. I don't know. They're always talking about the end times. Whereas I'm considering Hovis witnessed an and a lot of conspiracy theories are the same. Because I've talked to what they always leave a tract. If you're not there is always one page. Yes. And I recall at the end is near I think maybe four or five years ago, they showed up at my door, and I talked to him, and I just hit him with everything I had. All the crew like, hey, man. That's right. We're all going down and internet. And they were like extreme you you brother, guys outside you brother already saved. It's like we can move onto the next house. Okay. But yes, the concept of acceleration ISM, which is like like this guy said in New Zealand, I want to hasten the pendulum swinging. It's it's sad. But look at what we've told these these Zuber's, we've told them. It's the end is near. It's all over. Yeah. That's not us telling no, no, not you, and I know a gender personnel. We remain very optimistic as him five m people. We remain optimistic and trooper. Exactly. As is Jared Auden jer. He is in Dallas, Oregon, Dan Lewis, Oregon two hundred dollars three two hundred three dollars and fourteen cents is his contribution. 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What happened was I think when he was governor of Massachusetts get him out because you don't need these Republicans in Massachusetts Bill Clinton offered him the ambassador ship to Mexico classic. Hey, we that's like uncle, Don after Iran contra. Hey, you're now the ambassador to South Korea. Go far away go far away. So they so the guy quit his governorship and goes become bastard, and Mexico, which has got to be a thankless job as useless. And then he came back after Clinton got kicked out. He tried to run for Senate try to get back into poly. Couldn't win anything to do. And I'm gonna prove it by playing some of his clips about how he's gonna be Trump out be Trump because he's all into all kinds of stuff that you'd never never imagined start with is he a catch fighter. Let's start with clip to basket as the late head of the American Nazi party. My correct. Is that says to it says Bill willed on podcast to climate? Okay. Sorry. You wanted to play to play it play putting them in the same sentence. But you know, I think the president. He makes no bones about the fact he says America first, which was Charles Lindbergh's fifth column before World War Two, and he says, I'm a nationalist. Well, it is the party that took over in Nazi Germany in the nineteen thirties. So that's the nationalist Workers Party governor you've broken with the president and really the rest of the party on climate change. What do you see is the best policy to reduce carbon emissions considering the scale that they're on and the sense of emergency that surrounds it? Well, I think we should rejoin the Paris climate accord's for openers and adopt percentages that are consonant with our responsibility on the issue of climate. There's a divide between the developed nations and lesser developed countries. I think what President Trump would like to do is say, well, we've gotten the benefits of the industrial revolution. Now, you have to agree you and your rain forests not to. Omit any carbon dioxide, and we don't care if you ever develop because we've got ours again, that's an unattractive point of view. At anyone's thinking. But let's go back to what he said at the beginning. And that's I think is in clip one. You know, I think the president he makes no bones about the fact he says America first, which was Charles Lindbergh's fifth column before World War Two, and he says, I'm a nationalist. Well, it is the the party that took over in Nazi Germany in the nineteen thirties. So that's the nationalist Workers Party. Yeah. Okay. Bullcrap? Total bull crap. It's a lie actually his party's piss that Nazi party was the national not the nationalist, the national Socialist Workers Party. Yes. The national Socialist Workers Party, the nationalist Workers Party did exist. It was a it was a fringe party in of all places New Zealand. Well, we know about New Zealand is that dick associates use the word nationalist when it had not for the national socialist worker are already. So this guy's full of crap that guy doing the interview he doesn't say anything doesn't know John doesn't know Jack Ness, so he or John with this this joker in this Bill. He just play this last clip. This is where he's going on. And I think is real concern is a lot of these old Republicans that are pretty stayed. They think Trump's jerk because he's he doesn't have compartment which is a word that I I don't think I've ever used but comportment is that comport. Is that in this clip? The the term the word component you can view can play. Well, you better be ready to explain to me what it means. Well, I think that on the international front. The president has totally up ended the correct order of things he's insulting our allies. And you know, his favorite foreign leaders are the ones who are autocrat or despotic. I think his interactions with the Justice department starting with Jim Komi, even Jeff Sessions, don't speak any notion of fidelity to law the sign that's on the Justice department building at tenth and constitution in Washington, a government of laws and not of men that's pretty deep in our history. And the president seems to have no interest in that that you know, there's just a lot of issues out there. In addition to the bedrock issue of comportment in office. There's you know, there's climate change. There's treaties. I thought it was a blunder not to join the Trans-Pacific Partnership, for example. Okay. Is behavior is behavior. Comp- it proper behavior. Yes. Oh, yes. Comportment proper behaved expected behavior presidential and says presidential behavior. So he didn't transfer civic partnership. He says that he's is a huge huge mistake. Does this guy know what the Trans-Pacific Partnership says because no one else seems to know some well, he may actually have read some of it. As a governor might have gotten something. I think the governor's got some secret documents. Yeah. Not boost for secret documents on need to know what it says skies a total creep. Yes. Anyway, just wanted to get that out of the way. Well, just as we're talking you're out there like Trump rotation thing. It's it's whizzing around very quickly actually during the whole New Zealand initial covered. Scott Adams is is on a quick Tzadek. There. It is all us on a quick Sada. We now we're using it this Scott Adam tonight quick quick Zatopek crusade. Nice. Very nice quixotic crusade, and it redundant actually be going. Well, it's a crusade. Quixotic means it ain't working and because the mainstream continuously lies, they don't know better. So I can't really call it intentional lie. But it's a main 'em fi them lie that president said, they're good people there in the outright Charlottesville side. And yeah, Scott Adams, his tweeting the literal translation where actually Trump said exactly transcript transcript, I'm sorry, where Trump actually one I should read it when I just read it on here. Anyway. Do I have it here. I have it in the. Well diamond silk played a clip of him. And he starts the whole thing off by bitch and moan about Nazis in white supremacists. Which everybody in the media it completely ignores to the point where they're saying. He's never rebuked them when he rebuked them in this statement. Yeah here. So this is what Scott Adams is tweeting around. I will just read the highlighted bits that Scott out of this tweeting Trump, excuse me. They didn't put themselves down as Neo Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides you had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did you had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of to them, a very very important statue and the renaming of apart from Robert E Lee to another name, and then the reporter jumps back in but the highlight had bit right? After this statement, I'm not talking about the Neo Nazis and the white nationalist because they should be condemned totally, but you had many people in that group other than Neo Nazis of white nationalists. Okay. And the press is treated them absolutely unfairly now in the other group. Also, you had some fine people. But you also this is the left auntie far. But you also had troublemakers. And you see them. Come with the blackout fits in with the helmets. And with the baseball bats, you had a lot of bad people in the other group too. So factually. Trump did not say what people keep propagating like fine people there those nuts. He's anyway, Scott Adams valiantly trying to convince people to see I don't know why he of all people cannot understand that once someone is under hypnosis. It's hard to get them out of it as a hypnotist right of all people. Rate. Ira does gray hair ironic that is very ironic now that something else happened with a seemingly kind of who gives a crap because I don't read it interview. In breitbart. It wasn't exclusive headline President Donald Trump. Colon Paul Ryan blocked subpoenas of Democrats. So that's a story. I would not read in a million years, but they all put that one little itty bitty piece in. Let's turn it into. President trump. I'm saying his police and military supporters could make things very bad for his opposition. Here's the quote that he said to Breitbart. This is the president, you know, the left plays a tougher game. It's very funny. I actually think that the people on the right are tougher, but they don't play it up. Okay. I can tell you. I have the support of the police the support of the military the support of the bikers for Trump. I have the tough people, but they don't play a tough until they go to a certain point. And then it would be very bad very. Have you Philip is out front at the White House by I want this woman to come in for second, by the way. Now, actually, I'll read you. What was actually said I let her come in. This was everyone this is before before New Zealand mosque massacre took place. This was this was in heavy rotation. Oh my God. And there were conflicting it with other things. Trump said not in this interview. But you know, as an example, I can stand on Fifth Avenue shoot anyone. No one would care. So they're taking this little bit and make love using that one and making it sound like the he's threatening to use the military the police and bikers for Trump because you know. That's that's that's right up there with those other two. So here's what actually was in the article, and it's just worth showing to you what the media does. I don't care if you'd like Trump or not this is just it's a lie disingenuous by its very nature of omission. So he's talking about Paul Ryan. And what Paul Ryan wouldn't do? And then it says Trump's comments came into wider part of the conversation about how the left is more quote vicious than the right? And that the left in American politics plays, quote, cuter and Truffer. Here's the quote. So here's the thing. It's so terrible. What's happening? Trump said when asked by Breitbart news, deputy political editor editor Amanda house about his anticipated executive order on campus, free speech. It's about the campus free speech about violence on campuses by the left against people who want free speech, quote, you know, the left plays a tougher game. It's very funny. I actually think that the people on the right are tougher. But they don't play it tougher. Okay. I can tell you. I have the support of the police. Support of the military support of bikers for Trump. I have the tough people, but they don't play it tough until they go to a certain point. And then it would be very bad, very bad. But the left plays it cuter and tougher like with all the nonsense. They do in congress at all this investigations. That's all they want to do is. You know, do things that are nasty Republicans never played this. He's talking about something completely different. He's talking about an attitude. He's actually saying look at the restraint that people have put in against the actual violence. It wasn't when some Republicans shot at and like Steve Scalise almost died by someone on a maniac shot a bunch of Republicans fame baseball. Now, let's bring in Aaron Burnitz reporter to see how it's interpreted over on CNN's, Abby. This sounds like a threat. Well, a lot of people are certainly taking it that way, Erin. And it's not the first time that President Trump is used almost identical language to talk about his supporters in this way, talking about the military the bikers for Trump and others who. He says are tough and tough in a very specific way, the president also implying in this, quote that the left is tough to he used this language when he was talking about antigua's ING that his supporters might be able to go up against antifa. Campaign rally back in September in Missouri and many people remember back in the campaign. President Trump talked about second amendment people second amendment people people who advocate for gun rights in this country being able to stop Hillary Clinton from appointing judges left-leaning judges to the court if she were elected president. So this is a president who is repeatedly used this kind of language sometimes playing fast and loose with his words and leaving it open to interpretation for people to believe that this is a door open to people who might want to use violence in the public sphere. The president almost never clarifies the White House certainly doesn't either. But a lot of people raising more questions about the president's language here. Here. And why he doesn't do more to be clearer about his words? If islands is not in fact, what he is implying here. Aaron all right, Abby. Thank you very much. Point, which is trying to talk about the why are you talking about things getting very bad? When you're talking about your supporters as the police and the military as monolithic groups. So you see what they've done is like take this out of an interview that has nothing to do with him threatening anybody and then conflicted with other things he said and now oh dictator. It's gonna use the military if he doesn't if he isn't reelected he'll he'll have the bikers for Trump going enforce him staying in the White House. Now. Now, I'd like to do a similar. Job for Beto, aerobic. I'm going to defend him a little bit. To the word came down Beddoe Aurora. He was a hacker. Well, it wasn't really a hacker. But he was in the cult of the dead cow. And he was he did crazy rhyme. The I don't know how old is the guy nineteen eighteen point. It doesn't matter. It's like, okay fine. But then oh, he wrote he has very weird things. Now, the controversy about these very weird things that apparently Reuters knew he had written something odd back in the cult of the dead cow days nineteen Eighty-eight which we even I remember the cult of the dead cows, like whatever it was fine. You know, these were they was it sophisticated hacking group now there were some phone frequencies and stuff in there. But it was underground stuff. It was it was probably ult- something. So the peace. So Reuters knew that there was this story out there before the Senate election is my understanding and they held back on it. It by request until after the race ran and now it's come out. And it's you know, it's it's like some Dushi story. It's a very short story. But the way the headlines read is better wrote about fantasizing about killing children. And so they actually will if they cite any of it. They'll site to this. As I neared the young ones. I put this. I knew however that this happiness and sense of freedom were much overwhelming this happened. This was mind by right? I earned it in my dreams as I neared the young ones, I put all my weight on my right foot, keeping the accelerator pedal on the floor until I heard the crashing of the two children on the hood. And then the sharp cry of pain for one of the two I was so fascinated for a moment that when after I had stopped my vehicle I just sat in days sweet visions, filling my head into. That's what is published to like. Wow. The guy is kinda creepy is writing stories about Jesus sicko. So let me read the next piece. I was so the last sentence. I was so fascinated for a moment that when after I had stopped my vehicle, I just sat in a daze sweet, visions feeling my head my dream was abruptly ended when I heard a loud banging on the front window. It was an old man who is using his cane to awaken me he might have been a witness to my act of love. I was not sure nor did I care. It was simply ecstasy as I drove home. I. Envisioned myself committing more of these acts of love and after a while ahead. No trouble carrying them out. The more people I killed the longer my dreams were I soon quit. My job stayed at my house in an almost comatose state. He's he's writing about completely fictional thing. With ineffectual story. Was he says might was that words? He is my love something or other Z in his car masturbating, and the awesome awesomely possibly, but sounds like, but you know, it's like. It's dream about a dream. And they just you can't take these little pieces out of context of the whole. You can't even take it out of the context of cult of the dead cow. You really have to who is thirty years ago. I know so now well as it a problem is on the war pass. I think. I think they're trying to to. I I think I have three beta clips nice. I think is that nice. I think it's nice. I don't know could hurt. Well, first of all, let's start with his never gonna run clip. Which a lot of people have picked up on. I will say this is not my array, you know. Yeah. I see a lot of bloggers illegal bloggers should be licensed and podcast. It should be licensed people have run this clip. Because his beta on sixty minutes saying he's never gonna run is very adamant about it. And then he's all of a sudden. Now, he's he has to run. We've heard a lot of people speculate that you and Senator Cruz may face each other again, not in a Senate rematch but running for higher office. What are your thoughts on running for president? I don't wanna do it. I will not do it. Aiming? I are raising an eleven year old a ten year old and a seven year old. And we spent the better part of the last two years not with each other. Missing birthdays and anniversaries and time together, and we are family could not survive more of that we need to be together. Politician lied. How about that? At least politician is. I think I think the scenario their timeline goes like this. He says this and now these because his campaign is over the cruise thing and he's getting relaxed now he's with the fan with wife and three they're all daughters. I think not sure well, he's got a bunch of kids and they're all daughters that he's he's he he would definitely would run for president. Because he no man, I know guy that's got a wife and bunch of daughters. And he says he's just always trying to get out of the house because he says you can never win any argument. Just shakes his head. Like apparently this. I grew up eight oh, go home to holy crap. This is terrible this family life for. I grew up around women and gay guys though. I disagree. You can't win an argument, but you have to think differently. You grew up around women and gay guys. Yeah. All right. Let's play. Now. Let's go to CBS to the puff piece. This is a long piece because he decides to run and everybody's all a tizzy about this. Because I don't know, by the way, they keep describing this guy as handsome man, I don't get it. He's energetic. He's looking he's got a big Adam's apple is head as long as a horse face. He's got that kind of that upper lip. That's a kind of snooty kind of John Elway look like he's just like something stinks. All the time. He I don't see any at least if I'm analyzing from even trying to. Or even a guy trying to see if as I can't see this guy being a handsome, man. I would like someone to explain it to me. So let's play this. Let's play the CBS clip is the thirteenth democrat to officially joining twenty twenty campaign. Gayle king sat down with him in Iowa and etto kief was there for his announcement. Like he did in Texas federal Aurore kept a small footprint on his first day on the presidential campaign trail, even driving his own car. Why did you choose to start in this corner of the state? This is a very important part of America that isn't listened to often enough h his first ever trip to Iowa. Along with his name voters are still learning what the former three term congressman from El Paso stands for including universal healthcare a pathway to citizenship from documented immigrants and universal background checks for gun by CBS this morning. Co host Gayle king spoke with Iraq for his first TV sit down interviews since announcing his candidacy people said we had a candidate who didn't have vast political experience. And maybe now this time we need somebody in the White House who has been around the block of few times who has greater experienced yourself. Right. Clearly, you're not deterred by that. Right. I mean, I guess it depends on what kind of experience. You're you're looking for. I've got experience hiring people creating jobs developing the economy of the community in which I live serving in local government with Amy helping to raise a family and finding ways to work across the aisle to get legislation passed even when I'm in the minority party a recent. Poll of Iowa Democrats put a work in fifth place behind former vice president Joe Biden who's expected to join the race next month and free senators. That's a decent start for the forty six year old who lost his Senate race last year. But it's the fact that he lost by only three points in ruby red, Texas, and how he did it that is one in fans nationwide and worries other democratic campaigns. He traveled with a small team never hired consultants and raised a record eighty million dollars his popularity stems in part from his constant use of social medias. Even during a dental cleaning. Him that maybe pique your interest? Very charismatic seems like you can really make a change. President Trump said he saw today to I've never seen so much hand movement. I said is he crazy or is that just the way he acts in a new cover story for Vanity Fair magazine or Roque expresses extreme confidence in his chances saying, quote, I am born to do this. It's going to be so entertaining. I can't wait time to do this. I'm excited. Anyway, he wants to impeach Trump. But he figures dead, by the way this yummy. I got these two shorts going to do that as president. I think so. Once he's president. He's going to impeach Trump. Jewish. I think he's taken from Maxine Waters to exactly what is she going through our hat in the ring. Here's beta mouthing off on MP treatment that if there was not collusion. There was at least the effort to collude with a foreign power every on shadow of a doubt that if there was not abstraction of Justice. There certainly was the effort to obstruct Joseph whether that's firing James Comey. The principal investigator into what happened in the two thousand sixteen election or in the light of day tweeting to your attorney general as President Trump into end the Russia investigation because you know, speaker Pelosi is gone record. She does not think that's the way to go at this particular time, how congress chooses to address those set of facts and the findings which I believe we are soon to see from the Miller report is up to them two things one. They where's the mullahs report? That's coming up at one thing. Gale has become the new Barbara Walters. And that's interesting. Yes, I've noticed this too. They're pushing her in that direction. Yes. Yes. So that's that's okay. Now, it's interviews of chili says that kind of candidate pensive painful, looking full whatever guys get assays going to hurt her while she's gotta make people cry now. And then she who Barbara Walters in total pain. Here's here's the analysis of what Beto just said interesting to hear that answer. Andrew what is the message that he's sending to voters and Democrats in congress with that position? I think that's something you're gonna hear from a lot of twenty twenty democratic candidates idea that you know, I don't want to focus on impeachment right now. I'm not serving in congress. You know, that's for those folks that aside I'd rather be him at the ballot box in twenty twenty. Which is what I think that's what better work is trying to convey, of course last year when he was running against Ted Cruz in that race. He was running as a very very unapologetic unapologetic progressive, which you know, the conventional wisdom was in a state like Texas that kind of policy. Ix would not sell well to voters. Well, it's old pretty well. In the sense that he came within three points of beating Senator Ted Cruz in a red state. So I think he's going to be able to break through some of these more established norms of democratic politics going forward. And I think you saw that reflected in his answer this idea that he would rather just like all the others would beat the president at the ballot box. Okay, fine. She's exactly what this show predicted. It would happen with this impeachment. Talk is to keep it into keep the ball in the air. Impeach impeach impeach y'all. We can't it's not gonna work. Let's just let's beat him at the ballot box to get everybody. The public at largest thing and all they was going to be impeached. I won't vote for him. Before we take a break. I've been waiting for news to see what happened as you know. John, and I were part of the first podcasting network company where over the course of ten years, I certainly discovered and analyzing been able to say you cannot monetize the network. It's not the way to go with podcasting. And it's been entertaining. Although somewhat distant disheartening that we're seeing the exact same mistakes being made is just it's a repeat it's a cycle. It's the same old over and over deja vu all over again. So when Gimblett media the podcasting pioneer were purchased by Spotify for a reported two hundred thirty million dollars. I was very curious to see how long it would take before certain shows that they have in their roster which are not getting any of the money because how it worked one or two shows all the money and everyone gets a little pittance, and he kind of it's just how it works. It's it's the flaw in the idea, and that you can go outside of that. And. You have pay walls. How'd you lock that? All these things are problematic. I did not expect what actually did happen. But I knew it was going to implode somehow. I think you of all people John will appreciate this. I am reading. Gimblett media is a podcast pioneer. As one of the first companies to recognize the potential of on-demand audio Gimblett is on the leading edge of a growing industry. Okay. I think there are other people in other companies before you, but let me sleep. I'll let you like the way you're reading that Bill. And then keeping with Gimblett innovative ethos. We are proud. I'm not gonna say. We the producers engineers hosts editors and reporters are the people that gimmick who make the podcasts we come from public and commercial radio print and digital media. The music industry Hollywood advertising, I could on many other fields we work hard to create some of the best audio in the world are aditorial. Brandon teams have won numerous awards are shows have been up up shin for television and film. We have helped the company branch out into voice skills and advertising head listeners number in the millions. We love our work, and we're deeply invested in given its success as Spotify has reported two hundred and thirty dollars million acquisition of Gimblett media. Mix. Clear, however, Gimblett is no longer the small scrappy upper ration- memorably documented on the first season of start up. We have decided to unionize. Our union isn't expression of passion for what we do. And a proactive effort to work with management to shape the future of the company. It is important for us to solidify things that make given it a great place to work until address whatever issues may arise through collective bargaining. We will work towards a contract that includes but is not limited to stop here for a second. So. What happened and they've joined the writers guild of America east. What happened is everyone saw all the money. Come in. Of course, couple guys get a ton of money because this is not an investment. There was a sale it was an acquisition. So someone made some money probably the original investors angels. But they there people now who disproportionately have more money, but as you can read in this unionization document, the people feel that they were responsible. So they're going to bargain. And they're going to put the following the contract, consistent and transparent job descriptions and salary bands. Straightforward processes for advancement and promotion clear and fair policies around contractor employment concrete ambitious diversity initiatives equitable equitable processes for protecting employees intellectual property. Good luck, clear disciplinary termination and resignation policies and employee input. In company decision making. That's the end of that. It is not possible to make podcast in any profitable manner with union jobs. So you'll have a union writer a union. I mean, you can do keyword. There is profitable. Yes. Profitable. It's not possible. Not possible. The the market isn't there? The times of changed. It is an open network. You cannot have an even if you think you're going to do this by putting it behind Spotify. Paywall HSA we've done we know the numbers yet. Makes it worse. It doesn't work. You have to do these things yourself and they've fallen into a very old trapping cliche. And this is going to be they're going to be walkouts because the money won't be there. Eventually Spotify will guys it's great. We love these five shows what we really got to cut everything. We're good luck. Then and good luck. You're gonna cut. Ninety nine percent. Doesn't matter. Ninety percent of all shows. Yeah, they have a lot. They have a lot of shows. And they're going to end up with to a view. I want to say this has nothing to this has nothing to do with unions. I'm not against unions. What this specifically this sector? I think I have some standing Billy bones in the troll room this sector. You cannot make a show profitable. Certainly not a network profitable with unionization. I have to be able to edit. No now, I have to go to an editor engineer. Oh, I can't do the stream. I gotta talk to an engineer. You got to have reporters. Okay report is specific category for what they're doing. If they're doing it that way intellectual property on. What you right? Good luck. That's not a viable in today's world. So I thought you'd find that kind of humorous. Yeah. I actually saw that. Must be having nothing, but trouble now, they have to unionize because horse unionizing podcasts. I mean, this is like unionizing, you know, that you got a family of four in the kids decide the unionized. I mean. What could you imagine? Low. But you know, if if the kids unionized, at least, I'll know who to talk to the trash taken out. I mean, it's not that bad. I mean, it could have some benefit maybe, but he had this is the beginning of the in for Jim lit. It was the newer was a bunch of these operations, John. What's worse is just like somehow we got into this vibe with podcasting where we do all things in post. We do all the post processing. I'm Phil spectrum of what I wall of sound of got every every Mike individually PO someone said, I'm cutting that out so they've all the love is removed from from the show's all the the human aspects are gone spontaneity is gone spun. But now there's going to be an industry, I read all of the podcast business journal, the podcast news, the podcast pickled thing now that was a while ago. But all these podcasts, newsletters, and they love this unionized. Oh, my that. Now, we oh you. Yeah. Now, we've got an industry podcast editor I should make sixty dollars an hour. Well, you're not going to get hired very much. It's just the facts. So. We recommend just giving the value for value model. Try. 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And I believe we have someone working on updating the map it was. It was a little bit of out of date peerage map a lot. We got some. We got some hefty. If d peerage indeed, I got a two things I'd like to share some updated information on these seven three seven max, eight max nine aircraft. I s and this is very interesting. One of our producers sent me a YouTube video from CNBC, and this MRI who was it. Wants to be anonymous. I think. This video was posted on February eight at twelve two thousand eighteen so over a year ago over a year ago, and it was on CNBC and on the microphone is captain Tayer T eight Dorte zur T A G E R. He is the spokesperson for the Allied Pilots Association. I believe flies for American Airlines again over one year ago predating the Kenya crash predating the lion air crash from Indonesia important to remember. And here's what was discussed on CNBC. Frankly, the Wall Street Journal a high-ranking blowing officials said that they had made a decision to not disclose. Additional details about a new system that Phil rely talked about it's called the system due to the fact, they assume that the average pilot. Would be inundated with this information and ages thought it wasn't it wasn't appropriate and that's not only professionally insulting. It's a little bit ethically insulting. But that's okay. Because safety culture has many layers in it, and now that information has been provided us, and we're digesting it and understanding it better and along with the Asana New York Times report, the NTSB and Indonesia made similar claims that this information in this complex emergency that we're starting to learn more about this may have been one of the issues that needs to be looked at closer. But the good news is I want to make clear that that seven thirty seven the old the N G the previous version innomax, they're safe aircraft. We fly them every day in our families around them. But when makes it safer today is now we know more about the system so over a year ago. Boeing was pressured into releasing all the information about the dreaded 'em caste system, which is being blamed. On the India, Indonesia, apparently also had that information now if they disseminated that to their pilots, I don't know. But I do know that when you have something called the an emergency air worthiness directive that goes through all throughout all layers of the aviation industry. And everyone reads, these and knows about these, and you, and this is captain talks a lot about how how this how the safety of the system works multiple places where redundancies built into make sure everyone knows when something has changed. And indeed such an air worthiness. Directive emergency directive was issued a lot of people from the outside or now analyzing this and trying to figure out when they're talking about analyzing this it's not this pre any crash before crashed the Wall Street Journal broke the story saying, hey, Boeing's chain something, and they haven't really been open with pilots a situation where the FAA maids to take. More control Intel the manufacturers, what needs to be done, or at least be providing more oversight. But we're on the outside. You're on the inside you have a very good handle on what's happening. What what do you think is the proper solution to this does the FAA need to step in more? Or is this something that industry can manage on its own? I think the fish stepped right on up as they we we're hoping for Boeing put out a notification cruise about this in the FAA stepped up and said, we're going to issue an emergency airworthiness directive, so they elevated it quickly they were decisive, and that got our attention got our company's attention and very quickly received information from Boeing that was very helpful. So we're pleased and we look forward to that type of team effort going forward. And we encourage bowing to continue to join us and step into the circle of trust. And let's get this done. Right. So if we have this emergency airworthiness directive, which when I was living in the net. It lands flying helicopters. There were FAA directives came out about aircraft that that I knew of or maybe we're flying myself. And if it was, you know, things you have to immediately make the adjustments changes, whether it's a part or it's a procedure to somewhere broke down. If indeed this is to blame for these for these crashes, but it seems like Boeing initially didn't do very well, but over a year ago this information was known, and it was known through the proper channels to my knowledge in aviation. So every every pilot aviator one of these aircraft would have to know this issue doesn't mean that that the training. They had could actually save them from the issue that separate, but it's not like it was a secret. Yeah. We'll what you said in essence is that. While every pilot may have known every news media outlet, apparently didn't and these stories are phone. Any? Yes. Chess. So we're getting phony news is that should have been if these reporters were doing their job, they would have known about this by obviously it's been to place a year ago, they make it sound like it's just like an overnight thing. So what you think that maybe is Airbus behind the bad reporting. Because the result is Dell the planes have been grounded. Well what I don't like about. This is that the black box this happened in a country in an African country aligned with France it being colonial to colonial an empire, and they still run a lot in Africa. No one ever talks about that. The black box the Boeing the boating about it a lot plea is not everybody Cree is us. The black box had not go to Boeing it. Went to France to the enemy. The enemy has the black box to the French are going to analyze this. Of course, they know how to analyze blackbox they know how to do it. But when you have this huge war between Boeing Airbus, you'd think that there'd be a little more pushback on. Hey, could we please have it before you start tampering around with the data? I don't like that. That's a good point. That's it's bad. It's not. Okay. I think it should have come to the Boeing, and well, certainly the FAA the US authorities should be involved in the opening and extraction of the data. So we'll see that changes everything for me changes everything if they knew about it now does that mean that some crappier airlines don't have these directors. Well, we haven't seen southwest or American Airlines have this issue. Just yet. They I do know what the update is the plan software update is is indeed changing some behavior in the caste system, which is all a. You know, I had a back in the day when I had money living in the UK ahead. A Jaguar XE J S twelve cylinder six leader. Whatever it was. And the car was very power gray card to buy. If you if you care about maintenance will not only that, but the entire car only stayed on the road because of the computer systems, if you turn it off you couldn't manage you could not manage the vehicle. He was too powerful. The distribution distribution was off the whole thing was basically put together, and you're driving was maintained by the computer. And that's what they did with this. I would say new it's almost a new type of aircraft because they change substantial. Change the design of the wing and the engines and the placement of the engines and thus all your center of gravity angle of attack. All these different things change, it should be seen as an entirely new aircraft. And they I think they got to skimp on certification, etc. Because they're building on existing frame. But that still doesn't mean that if you put the information out there, that pilots should know how to handle it. So the update will no longer will only site if so if if if the if the system believes that you're doing something wrong, and it tries to override U it will override, but only one cycle won't do it continuously. So that should give the pilots more will the chance to go down and up and down motion. Yeah. But is it possible that Boeing slipstreamed fix? Into the software for this system into all the planes at some time just before the first crash anything's possible. Eight do that. I don't believe that they do up dates like tesla over the air. It's my understanding that like most updates within aviation. It happens in a certified shop, a certainly if it's avionics avionics specialist will do it. They received as all kinds of sign off and approvals for updating. It's not something just happened. Is it possible? How often does this thing? Get I have my printer. My absent printer keeps asking me. We've got an update to. Did that on a weekly basis these updates, hopefully, don't happen? Don't occur very often in my I remember flying the Eurocopter a lot and Eurocopter when you start up the Eurocopter, which is nice aircraft. Although it it has counter rotation. So you have to use it left instead of right pedal that you used to taking off and landing it starts up with windows. NT three point one two on the flight screen. You see that pop up and you have to wait part of the startup procedures waiting for windows. NT three point one to boot. Honestly, I never liked that it never felt good to me because it does manage engine things. But this is typically these are very low level or maybe as the high level, you know, it's very tightly compiled, it's hardware. It's an is. You don't see a disc running that runs? These type of systems. It's all embedded. Id imbedded structure details we do need more details. But the first one is this is not an unknown. Not like a magical thing that happened. So we have one thing maybe left. Okay. I mean, I have a bunch of stuff. But I do wanna get this out of the way, you know, if you haven't noticed there's a concerted effort to get Tucker Carlson off the air. Yes. And so somebody apparently years ago he used to like to do the love sponge kind of. Stern. Do you have new information on this story? This is pretty old. No, I don't have new information. Well, actually, this story is is is continuing. So it's not like new. I mean, there's protesters in front of FOX studios going on. No. But what I do have. And it is because his stuff from Bubba. The love. Players played on everything everything from CNN. Everyone's play we ever played it. Okay. And I and I also cut out good reason. Well, I just thought we should play it. I just thought as point of information, we should listen to Tucker, say nasty things about women and all as stuff they've got everybody in a tizzy. We have not played it. It has been played to death. A different versions of this is a a version it's a little long, but is the least not than have the music and all the interludes and crazy stuff going on. So something the no agenda show Canadian. It's kind of funny something only the no agenda show can do is play. You the raw source material? Right. Yeah. Well, whatever it is. You're supposed to sure compiled when I say anyway, when I say rightly when I say, right? You say shop if you if you find it's too gross to play when I say, right? You say sure sure women chew when they do you wrong, and you put up with xactly women. They ain't weakness. They're like dogs that way. I mean, I love women, but they're extremely primitive their basic or not that hard to understand and one of the things they hate more than anything is weakness in a man. Do you run into the hallway over there? Alexis Stewart, we run into her all the time. Seems like a awful. They're very extremely hear that word all step over me. She seems go ahead. Does seem a little. Agreeing with that work. I love for Tucker Carlson tonight on MSNBC girl comes across town. Didn't get fired from MSNBC specifically for this stuff. It's possible fired for this people forget that he was at MSNBC during this era, even before CNN. This was this was wasn't MSNBC. I in any went to see an the other way around you went to. I'm Brent fan. So state my bias right out front here. But I heard her on with him. And I just wanted to give the spanking. She. Going to be honest. I don't like her. I wouldn't vote to confirm if I were US Senator, but I do feel sorry for in that way. I feel sorry for attractive women. I mean. If you took every celebrity, I think he controls it pretty tightly. But if you took every celebrity who's been on Howard Stern you can do this to everybody. Because that's kind of what this Bubba. The love. Sponge is. You could because they encourage it on these show you supposed to be douche. Yeah. To play any more of it. I think you get the idea, but it goes on and on. He's says nothing good about anybody. So they're compiling this is like one of three or four of these things they go on forever. Yeah. Okay. I just got one of the skip down go to this clip, which is the press conference, which I think it was hilarious. 'cause this is the second or third time. This is come up into same press conference with poor Sarah Huckabee having to answer this funny. I think hilarious questions of media is completely off the rails that even giving crap. Casual conversation question for you. But also follow to a collie because I didn't hear you actually into the question. So yes, or no does the president truly believed that Democrats hate Jews. I am not going to comment on a potentially leak dog. Even I can tell you what I can tell you think Democrats Jewish people as this out. They've had a lot of opportunities over the last few weeks damn warrant comments. I'm trying to get three feet. Stop talking finish my statement, yet the president laid out clearly his position on this matter. Democrats have had a number of opportunities to condemn specific comments have refuse to do that. That's a question. Frankly, I think you should ask Democrats what their position is since they're unwilling to call this what it is and call it out by name and take actual action against members who have done things like this like the Republicans have done when they had the same opportunity. But I just want to be very clear, you're not answering the question is there a wreath believe I answer twice this. This this cycle of. It's the hypocrisy loop. You didn't you didn't do that. Will you do about that? We didn't go fast enough are that you do say this is all so tiring. It's really bad to media in this country is just it's not. Worst is news in this. Well, I have some then not this could be our final. Yesterday. He had a big conference in Atlanta, Atlanta is home of CNN who shows up on Brooke CNN's show, Al Gore. And this is the day after the children got no media coverage is very sad children. Got knoll media coverage children could and you know, they they played hooky from school. And you know, it was very hopeful for everybody. But luckily, we got Al Gore onto Phyllis in there. Some updates the numbers of changed a little bit things are much better for the climate change movement. Green new deal. And I think we could have a little a little laugh as we listen to what he has to say. And this is what we'd call a tell fest. What has Al Gore's tell when he's lying. Is a little cough. I believe it's a leff. It's little. Yeah. Faked. Little little well buckling survive president despite all the science all the warnings. There are still skeptics at the highest level of government to what do you attribute that? Now, I'd like what Brooke is doing here. She's trying to say the highest level of he's trying to say Trump, but she wants him to say Trump will think. I think that there are I obviously there's no basis for doubting. What the mother nature is telling us now it's beyond consensus that ninety nine percent of the scientists. Just listen hold on new numbers alert alert. It's now beyond the ninety nine percent consent. Consensus of scientists isn't even say climate scientists we've gone. Scientists beyond ninety nine what the mother nature is telling us now it's beyond consensus of ninety nine percent of the scientists just listen to mother nature and the climate related extreme weather events have quadrupled in recent years here in the US alone. I liked this statistic. The extreme climate related extreme weather events of quadruple. That's not that. They were more horrific weather events. They're just labeled as climate change extreme weather events is it's not there's no more or less than you would expect it to just labeling different. But he says it in the cool way have quadrupled in recent years here in the US alone and less than nine years we've had seventeen once in a thousand year of ants. I wish we could have a list of those that keep on coming and they keep on getting worse. So the old. Strategy of trying to fool people and disbelieving the evidence in front when he laughed like that his tell you know, he's really laughing about how he is fooling people. That's why he can't contain himself on getting worse. So the old strategy of trying to fool people disbelieving the evidence in front of their own is is is failing. And we're crossing tipping point. Now, Brooke we're many Republicans change their positions and join the growing bipartisan consensus and the debates not about the science that debates long since over the debate. Now is about the best ways to move as fast as we can disolve this crisis. We all know that best ways to pay gore. Second clip. This is very nice. We have a strategy. Forgetting Trump elected voted out of office. It's a very important one and has to do with the Paris climate accord. I did not know what he's about to tell us. I looked it up. And I guess you could I guess you can say it's true. What he saying listen. But what about the the leader of all Republicans that the president himself? I mean, if inaction continues for the next two maybe six years under a Trump White House will what what concerns you what what is the one immediate consequence on climate will actually in in what my son my call a perverse way. I think the fact that Donald J Trump has become the global face of climate denial is actually encouraging a lot more people to join the cause of helping bring about the solutions more rapidly. He cannot withdraw from the Paris agreement by the way legal. Alie I eight we could is the day after the next presidential election. So the fate of this issue is not in his hands. It's in our hands and a large and growing bipartisan majority in this country is now saying definitively to politicians and office holders. It's time to act and and the sooner the better the boulder the better now, it's meaningless. But what he's saying is true as President Obama signed and formally joined the Paris deal in two thousand sixteen arguing at the time that Senate ratification was not required because it was not a formal treaty. And that's why it's meaningless. But as a result, the US will continue to be part of the agreement until November fifth twenty twenty the first date that the US can formally withdraw which is which is in two thousand twenty the day after the election. I think this league. Cramp first of all you get clipper today for discovering this. Thank you very much. I would be nothing without my producers. Yeah. No, I very few. I get a few. But not as many as you do. The point is is that it almost adult was a setup. Yeah. It's a perfect setup worldwide agreement have anything to do with our election cycle coincidence. I think not now the third one will blow your mind even more. What have we seen? We've seen children being abused and becoming spokes holes for this movement for this financial movement because the ultimate goal is carbon a price on carbon a carbon tax globally money money money money. And if you just wanna for those of you who are new you should go to the the the being it's go to Bing dot IO and look for Al Gore Maurice Strong carbon exchange, and you can learn about the financial motive that Al Gore seemed to have when starting all this up and whom are strong as it cetera. So we've taken these children, and we have put the fear of God into them. We have made them believe in climate change, and they're all going to die. We have report after a port and and this. Most recent one if we don't do anything with this in twelve years, and we're all going to die the Genesis of the green new deal. It's white children are depressed, and and this truancy is the climate strike which was on Friday didn't get much ink or airtime because of the New Zealand mosque massacre. But the children's still went out there. They're still being made to be very afraid of climate change aka global warming while they stand in the cold wrapped up in their sweaters their mittens in their hats, Greta thornburg has been nominated cheese. The now fifteen year old has been nominated for Nobel peace prize for her work. She's a trained child is like a circus. She's been trained by parents who are globalist who are activists who are in on the deal. And now listen to what Al Gore has to say about the children young people were in the vanguard of that civil rights. Movement, and it always has been so in. We're climate is concerned. It's especially true. Young people are going to live longer and live with the consequences of the climate crisis longer. And they've studied it in school. They understand it. Most of them very clearly in. In fact, I'm very proud that one of the graduates of our climate reality project young haven Coleman went through our training program. A few years ago in Denver at the age of eleven and she co leaders of this students school strike moving in the US. So he trained an eleven year old child like a circus animal to talk this way, and is now positioned as one of the leaders of the school strikers child protective services. That's very good question. Because this is this is this is not okay, you're training eleven year olds. In a lie. This is a classic maneuver this is the young Nazis. Yes, we party. They're all same Hitler Houben. Yeah. The Hitler Yuga. That's what you want a bunch of am I gonna say stupid, but ES stupid ten and eleven year olds don't know what the hell's going on because their brain hasn't fully formed, and you get me a brainwash him into these. You know, you've got Al Gore there and training kids to be the activists. Yeah. And why? Sorry. His notion that is ten eleven year olds were behind the civil rights movement. Which is what he how he started at full crap. Just take a look at the pictures in Birmingham and elsewhere. There's no twelve eleven he didn't say tenures young people that were young was even then it was in. Yeah. Maybe there's some nineteen year olds. But young people to me is somebody under eighteen thirty more seconds on the clip printing program a few years ago in Denver at the age of eleven and she is one of the co leaders of this students school strike movement in the US. We just had a panel of four very young people here and Boyer, they articulate and bright and persuasive and program about this. And and one of them said I'm sixteen years old and I'm on school strike today. But I'm warning you all in twenty twenty I'm voting we're coming for those of you who are helping to solve this crisis. All right there. It is. Al Gore has spoken. They're coming for you. The children are coming for you. And they're trained they're trained specialists. Drain wash. Drones sad. But so it is. Deconstruction for today. 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