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"allen hynek" Discussed on KGO 810

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"allen hynek" Discussed on KGO 810

"Donald R. Schmidt is the former co director of the J. Allen Hynek center for UFO studies where he served as director of special investigations for ten years prior to that he was a special investigator for the late Dr J. Allen Hynek for the international UFO reporter don's research became the foundation for the movie Roswell a film that brought the details of the denial and disinformation of nineteen forty seven to its largest audience ever Thomas Carey has been a mutual UFO network state section director in southeastern Pennsylvania a special investigator for the J. Allen Hynek center for UFO studies and a member of the Ku foes board of directors Tom began investigating aspects of the Roswell incident in nineteen ninety one for the Roswell investigative team of Kevin Randall and don Schmitt and since nineteen ninety eight he's teamed exclusively with don to continue a proactive investigation their new book it's a good one is Roswell the chronological pictorial Thomas don welcome back to coast to coast AM how are you nice to be with you Richard same here if you're going to be with you again it is a it is an absolutely stunning book how many photographs illustrations maps all told you know yes I I'd actually have to add them up there's four hundred and sixty two photographs which includes several maps of the crash sites and there's no other Roswell book like this even the ones that don and I have written it the thank you as you said in your intro it takes the reader that puts the reader right into the case it brings the case alive and it takes you from the the time of the crash through just just before the time of the crash right up to the present day by day hour by hour sometimes minute by minute the month by month year by year and we have the these photographs to the illustrates bring the case to life that every step what is important to point out the book is that it's almost like a story board that you would put together for a movie four as you might produce within a court of law and we're even the two of us were common myself in in piecing it together in this manner it's even afforded us to re investigate re examined and it demonstrates its solidifies the case we believe is greater than ever in that because we're able to put this more very few other and then for the reader as well as sponsored by drawing them in the situation eliminates a lot of the questions it feels in many of the gaps that the text the textual components couldn't zero zero vividly a cold for Christmas because they because the scribe in the past that's the wonderful thing about it because we've had a Melissa my kids I've had a number of very skeptical individuals look at this and they would call my god it comes together like a script it comes together is the OHL what else what other explanation could there be because nothing else fits in this scenario next up would be eye witnesses have been telling Tom and myself all these years I might add Richard there's it's a cool B. table type book which is slightly larger than your normal reading books and on like other coffee table books I'm sure you've seen them they some of the take up the whole table well this doesn't it's it's just a little bit larger than your normal book and it's got the full complement of pages it's not just it's not just like a quarter of an inch thick like a lot of coffee table books it's two hundred sixty two pages which is like full book and as I said the earlier you we have over four hundred photographs it it brings the reader in into the case and brings the case brings the case alive right Anderson some new information in here as well and then we'll get into some of that one of the the interesting thing so is you you you've been able with the help of a researcher to track down not only the exact day but almost the exact hour of the crash tell me about how that was pieced together and then what the result was well we the date of the crash was always a loose of for researchers beginning back I guess when the first book came out in nineteen eighty the Roswell incident is the the date has varied from originally I think it was July the second nineteen forty seven and then when Randle and Schmitt did the they did two books together it moved up to July the fourth but one of our associates by the name of David that Rudy act out in California the witnesses to the back when they were still alive they recall that the the crash took place during a severe thunder and lightning storm yeah and this is in central New Mexico the week of July first week in July well he he got a hold of the weather records and the only thunderstorm that week in the first week of July nineteen forty seven was on the evening of July the second and so that's how we're able to sort of pinpoint the date was this the only thunderstorm that week was in the evening of July the second so and we have witnesses that the recall that there was a thunder and lightning storm during the during the crash they heard a they heard a ship circling around overhead that sounded like it was in trouble and then a few moments later they heard the smallholder explosion and that that's how we were able to pinpoint it you also put faces to some of the names that we heard about some of the witnesses that you've written about over the years and the corona ranchers that as you say we're able to pinpoint you know a particular is the sound of that they heard a particular our for example corona ranch Eugene Cole we actually see her picture here I don't know that you've you've published one of her before but this is kind of a nice a nice tribute to these witnesses because now we know you know these are just words on a page these are human beings their faces behind all the names and one of the wonderful sources we've had from the very beginning was the fact that the Roswell army air field produce they publish the annual yearbook which is it turns out was just for two three years back at that time but none the less we had over three thousand potential witnesses as far as at our source source material back at that time and this week regarding the civilian witnesses you mentioned James many of these people were referred to us by other civilians people who lived in the Roswell community at that time or out in the surrounding Lincoln County the high desert region of New Mexico all were the crash originated and this is just like any criminal investigation minus a crime the prices of up in the field pro active tracking down these people and and sadly just about everyone of them is now gone and I think it is in many ways Tom it and myself were we would say we we've always said we've we've been racing with the undertaker so to speak and the undertaker is one and so that's why this book is such a wonderful tribute as well to all of those witnesses who were brave enough not to step forward because they didn't there was always a one of the read the yellow red flags whatever witness would contact us hurriedly they were never reliable because in in actuality the true witnesses were far from willing to go public in most cases they were very reluctant they were actually concerned for their safety of themselves and their families and so that's true yours was quite evident to us as to the magnitude of the stories they had to tell it is about one of them but one of the points on on dodges ferry was correct that ninety nine percent of the witnesses that we found didn't quote on quote come forward we we have to find them and dig them out it it that it what happened was that the the ones that came forward and they were not a whole lot of them but usually they turn it turned out badly they they were making up something or they didn't have enough courage to follow through on what what they wanted to present to us and ninety like I said ninety nine percent we had to locate on our own one of the interesting things that I've I've learned reading this book and and that has to do with you know it wasn't like this crap just fell out of the sky and crashed in and M. Brazzell mac Brazel discovered it the days leading up to that there was no people were saying things in the sky and and there were there were some there was some activity unknowns on these radar facilities in places like Roswell in Albuquerque white sands and and Alamogordo which has always left me wondering with this these radar installations because there's kind of this debate about what brought down this craft was it the lightning war could have been some sort of interference in its in its hit it in the in the ship because of these radar facilities well we know that the theory that is occasionally you know presented itself but I think we're the only ones that really investigated the fact that New Mexico I mean I'm I'm amazed how often especially when I think the common I would lecture and will invariably always ask the audience word of the first atomic bomb what was the first time a bomb detonated it's amazing how many of them alerted faculty and college professors wealth quickly walk course Japan well how about right here how about New Mexico in fact how bout just a couple hours west of Roswell and the fact that the first atomic bomb squadron the five one night bomb wing was stationed there in nineteen forty seven so they were the elite within the military best officers pilots crew doctors nurses if you swept a broom on that base back in nineteen forty seven it was because you were the best sweeper in the military are not and so it just made perfect sense that there were more Soviet spies in New Mexico than anywhere else at that time for obvious reasons and according to the forces own project Bluebook there were more UFO sightings in New Mexico than anywhere else at that time it was as though someone else was very interested in our military potential and I'll be the first area that they were checked out and so the head as a result white sands specifically if the couple hours west of Roswell to the north Trinity site the first atomic bomb detonation and at white sands they were launching the captured German V. two rocket after World War two so they had the most sophisticated radar system at that time in the world and unlike you other systems such as in Roswell and a cannon in Clovis New Mexico in Kirkland up in Albuquerque white sands was able to track incoming as well as departing aircraft rocket launchers whatever they were testing at that time the other airports the other bases were only able to track incoming so they were still rather unsophisticated for the time but none the less the systems were there and because it was New Mexico you have that much activity that much traffic and the radar lobes as they would circle from their transmissions and the case of white sands it's reception those loads as it just conveniently happened intersected over Lincoln County and I think that's where this first your theory as to what was it the radar the radar somehow jam their system because the two cause them to malfunction and then explode but here's the cute key point Richard it didn't it wasn't a crash it was a mid air explosion that was one of the things that even military such as major Jesse Marcel the first military officer to arrive at the scene concluded that based the wide coverage the expanse of the debris field that this clearly was a mid air explosion causing it to then rain debris for extended length of of of of of of of of material into space sold if it was the mid air explosion Tom and I believe that it was either struck by lightning or internal malfunction we don't believe that the radar lobes had anything to do with it because it how would the radar cause it to explode we just have not found any one excellent point rate that that would have happened the next day Thursday July third and mac Brazel is out inspecting I guess the sheep pasture he's there with a young Timothy D. proctor there's a photo a series of photos in the book and I'm not sure if those are are are from nineteen forty seven or present day this is earlier on in the book but I'm just wondering to what it how does it look today does it does that's that stretch of land look pretty much the same way it did back in forty seven is the pumping station still there at cetera.

Donald R. Schmidt director J. Allen Hynek center UFO studies investigator Dr J. Allen Hynek reporter
"allen hynek" Discussed on KTOK

KTOK

15:19 min | 2 years ago

"allen hynek" Discussed on KTOK

"Schmidt is the former co director of the J. Allen Hynek center for UFO studies where he served as director of special investigations for ten years prior to that he was a special investigator for the late Dr J. Allen Hynek for the international UFO reporter don's research became the foundation for the movie Roswell a film that brought the details of the denial and disinformation of nineteen forty seven to its largest audience ever Thomas Carey has been a mutual UFO network state section director in southeastern Pennsylvania a special investigator for the J. Allen Hynek center for UFO studies and a member of the Ku foes board of directors Tom began investigating aspects of the Roswell incident in nineteen ninety one for the Roswell investigative team of Kevin Randall and don Schmitt and since nineteen ninety eight he's teamed exclusively with don to continue a proactive investigation their new book it's a good one is Roswell the chronological pictorial Thomas don welcome back to coast to coast AM how are you nice to be with your Richard Rainier it you're going to be with you again it is a bit into an absolutely stunning book how many photographs illustrations maps all told you know yes I I'd actually have to add them up there's four hundred and sixty two photographs which includes several maps of the crash site and there's no other Roswell book like this even the ones that don and I have written it there's you as you said in your intro it takes the reader it puts the reader right into the case it brings the case alive and it takes you from the time of the crash through just just before the time of the crash right up to the present day by day hour by hour sometimes minute by minute the month by month year by year and we have the these photographs to the illustrates bring the case to life that every step what is important to point out the book is that it's almost like a story board that you would put together for a movie four as you might produce within a court of law N. or even the two of us for common myself in in piecing it together in this manner it's even afforded us to re investigate re examined and it demonstrates its solidifies the case we believe is greater than ever in that because we're able to put this more very few other and then for the reader as well as sponsored by drawing them in the situation it eliminates a lot of the questions it fills in many of the gaps that the text the text will co host couldn't zero zero of vividly account for because they they they could describe in the past that's the wonderful thing about it because we've had a Melissa Mikey's I've had a number of very skeptical individuals look at this and they would call my god it comes together like a script it comes together is the OHL what else what other explanation could there be because nothing else fits in this scenario except with the eye witnesses have been telling common myself all these years I might add Richard does it suck because the table type book which is slightly larger than your normal reading book and on like other coffee table books I'm sure you've seen them they some of them may take up the whole table well this doesn't it's it's just a little bit larger than your normal book and it's got the full complement of pages it's not just it's not just like a quarter of an inch thick like a lot of coffee table books it's two hundred sixty two pages which is a full book and as I said the earlier you we have over four hundred photographs it it brings the reader in into the case and brings the case brings the case alive right Anderson some new information in here as well and then we'll get into some of that one of the the interesting things is you you you've been able with the help of a researcher to track down not only the exact day but almost the exact hour of the crash tell me about how that was pieced together and then what the result was well we the date of the crash was always a loose of for researchers beginning back I guess when the first book came out in nineteen eighty the Roswell incident the the date has varied from originally I think it was July the second nineteen forty seven and then when Randle and Schmitt did the they did two books together it moved up to July the fourth but one of our associates by the name of David the Rudy act out in California the witnesses to the back when they were still alive they recall that the the crash took place during a severe thunder and lightning storm and this is in central do New Mexico the week of July first week in July well he he got a hold of the weather records and the only thunderstorm that week in the first week of July nineteen forty seven was on the evening of July the second and so that's how we're able to sort of pinpoint the date was this the only thunderstorm that week was at the evening of July the second so and we have witnesses that the recall that there was a thunder and lightning storm during the during the crash they heard a they heard a ship circling around overhead that sounded like it was in trouble and then a few moments later they heard the smallholder explosion and that that's how we were able to pinpoint it you also put faces to some of the names that we heard about some of the witnesses that you've written about over the years and the corona ranchers that as you say we're able to pinpoint you know a particular is the sound of that they heard a particular our for example corona ranch Eugene Cole we actually see her picture here I don't know that you've you've published one of her before but this is kind of a nice a nice tribute to these witnesses because now we know you know these are just words on a page these are human beings their faces behind all the names and one of the wonderful sources we've had from the very beginning was the fact that the Roswell army air field produce they publish the annual yearbook which it turns out was just for two three years back at that time but none the less we had over three thousand potential witnesses as as far as an R. source source material back at that time and this week regarding the civilian witnesses you mentioned James many of these people were referred to us by other civilians people who lived in the Roswell community at that time or out in the surrounding Lincoln County the high desert region of New Mexico all were the crash originated and this is just like any criminal investigation minus a crime the prices of up in the field pro active tracking down these people and and sadly just about everyone of them is now gone and I think it is in many ways Tom it and myself were we would say we we've always said we've we've been racing with the undertaker so to speak and though the undertaker's one and so that's why this book is such a wonderful tribute as well to all of those witnesses who were brave enough not to step forward because they didn't the was always a one of the read the yellow red flags whatever witness would contact us hurriedly they were never reliable because in in actuality the true witnesses were far from willing to go public in most cases they were very reluctant they were actually concerned for their safety of themselves and their families and so that's true yours was quite evident to us as to the magnitude of the stories they had to tell this is about one of them but one of the points on on Dodge street was correct that ninety nine percent of the witnesses that we found didn't quote unquote come forward we we had to find them and dig them out is it that it what happened was that the with the ones that came forward and there were not a whole lot of them but usually they turn it turned out badly they they were making up something or they didn't have enough courage to follow through on what what they wanted to present to us and ninety like I said ninety nine percent we had to locate on our own one of the interesting things that I've I've learned reading this book and and that has to do with you know it wasn't like this crap just fell out of the sky and crashed in and M. Brazzell mac Brazel discovered it the days leading up to that there was no people were saying things in the sky and and there were there were some there was some activity unknowns on these radar facilities in places like Roswell N. L. Albuquerque white sands and and Alamogordo which has always left me wondering with this these radar installations because there's kind of this debate about what brought down this craft was it the lightning war could have been some sort of interference in its in its it in the in the ship because of these radar facilities well we know that the theory that is occasionally you know presented itself but I think we're the only ones that really investigated the fact that New Mexico I mean I'm I'm amazed how often especially when I think the Tom and I we lecturing will invariably always ask the audience word of the person Tomek bombs or was it the first time a bomb detonated it's amazing how many of them alerted faculty and and college professors wealth quickly walked towards Japan well how about right here how about New Mexico in fact how bout just a couple hours west of Roswell and the fact that the first atomic bomb squadron the five one night bomb wing was stationed there in nineteen forty seven so they were the elite within the military best officers pilots crew doctors nurses if you swept a broom on that base back in nineteen forty seven it was because you were the best sweeper in the military are not and so it just made perfect sense that there were more Soviet spies in New Mexico there anywhere else at that time for obvious reasons and according to the forces own project Bluebook there were more UFO sightings in New Mexico than anywhere else at that time it was as though someone else was very interested in our military potential and I'll be the first area that they would check out and so the head as a result white sands specifically just a couple hours west of Roswell to the north Trinity site the first atomic bomb detonation end at white sands they were launching the captured German V. two rocket after World War two so they had the most sophisticated radar system at that time in the world and unlike you other systems such as in Roswell and a cannon in Clovis New Mexico in Kirkland up in Albuquerque white sands was able to track incoming as well as departing craft rocket launchers whatever they were testing at that time the other airports the other bases we're only able to track incoming so they were still rather unsophisticated for the time but none the less the systems were there and because it was New Mexico you had that much activity that much traffic and the radar lobes as they would circle from their transmissions and the case of white sands it's reception those loads as it just conveniently been intersected over Lincoln County and I think that's where this first your theory as to what was it the radar did the radar somehow jam their system because the two cause them to malfunction and then explode but here's the cute key point Richard it didn't it wasn't a crash it was a mid air explosion that was one of the things that even military such as major Jesse Marcel the first military officer to arrive at the scene concluded that based on the wide coverage the expanse of the debris field that this clearly was a mid air explosion causing it to then the rain debris for extended length of of of of of of of material and a space sold if it was the mid air explosion Tom and I believe that it was either struck by lightning or internal malfunction we don't believe that the radar logs had anything to do with it because it how would the radar cause it to explode we just have not found any one excellent point rate that that would have happened but the next day Thursday July third and mac Brazel is I would inspecting I guess the sheep pasture he sat there with a young Timothy D. proctor there's a photo a series of photos in the book and I'm not sure if those are are are from nineteen forty seven or present day this earlier on in the book but I'm just wondering to what it how does it look today does it does that's that stretch of land look pretty much the same way it did back in forty seven is the pumping station still there at central.

Schmidt director J. Allen Hynek center UFO studies investigator Dr J. Allen Hynek reporter
"allen hynek" Discussed on News Radio 1190 KEX

News Radio 1190 KEX

15:20 min | 2 years ago

"allen hynek" Discussed on News Radio 1190 KEX

"Donald R. Schmidt is the former co director of the J. Allen Hynek center for UFO studies where he served as director of special investigations for ten years prior to that he was a special investigator for the late Dr J. Allen Hynek for the international UFO reporter don's research became the foundation for the movie Roswell a film that brought the details of the denial and disinformation of nineteen forty seven to its largest audience ever Thomas Carey has been a mutual UFO network state section director in southeastern Pennsylvania a special investigator for the J. Allen Hynek center for UFO studies and a member of the Ku foes board of directors Tom began investigating aspects of the Roswell incident in nineteen ninety one for the Roswell investigative team of Kevin Randall and don Schmitt and since nineteen ninety eight he's teamed exclusively with don to continue a proactive investigation their new book it's a good one is Roswell the chronological pictorial Thomas don welcome back to coast to coast AM how are you nice to be with you Richard same here if you're going to be with you again it is a bit at an absolutely stunning book how many photographs illustrations maps all told you know yes I I'd actually have to add them up there's four hundred and sixty two photographs which includes several maps of the crash sites and there's no other Roswell book like this even the ones that don and I have written it the as you as you said in your intro it takes the reader it puts the reader right into the case it brings the case alive and it takes you from the time of the crash through just just before the time of the crash right up to the present day by day hour by hour sometimes minute by minute the month by month year by year and we have the these photographs to the illustrate bring the case to life that every step what is important to point out the book is that it's almost like a story board that you would put together for a movie four as you might produce within a court of law and we're even the two of us for common myself in in piecing it together in this manner it's even afforded us to re investigate re examined and it demonstrates its solidifies the case we believe is greater than ever in that because we're able to put this more than a few other and then for the reader as well as sponsored by drawing them in the situation it eliminates a lot of the questions it fills in many of the gaps that the text the textual components could be zero zero vividly account for because they they they could describe in the past that's the wonderful thing about it because we've had a Melissa Mikey's I've had a number of very skeptical individuals look at this and they would call my god if it comes together like a script it comes together is the OHL what else what other explanation could there be because nothing else fits in this scenario except with the eye witnesses have been telling Tom and myself all these years I might add Richard there's it's a cool B. table type book which is slightly larger than your normal reading book and on like other coffee table books I'm sure you've seen them they some of them may take up the whole table well this doesn't it's it's just a little bit larger than your normal book and it's got the full complement of pages it's not just it's not just like a quarter of an inch thick like a lot of coffee table books it's two hundred sixty two pages which is a full book and as I said the earlier you we have over four hundred photographs it it brings the reader in into the case and brings the case brings the case alive right Anderson some new information in here as well and then we'll get into some of that one of the the interesting things though is you you you've been able with the help of a researcher to track down not only the exact day but almost the exact hour of the crash tell me about how that was pieced together and then what the result was well we the date of the crash was always a loose of for researchers beginning back I guess when the first book came out in nineteen eighty the Roswell incident the the date has varied from originally I think it was July the second nineteen forty seven and then when Randle and Schmitt did the they did two books together is moved up to July the fourth but one of our associates by the name of David the Rudy act out in California the witnesses to the back when they were still alive they recall that the the crash took place during a severe thunder and lightning storm and this is in central do New Mexico the week of July first week in July well he he got a hold of the weather records and the only thunderstorm that week in the first week of July nineteen forty seven was on the evening of July the second and so that's how we're able to sort of pinpoint the date was this the only thunderstorm that week was the evening of July the second so and we have witnesses that the recall that there was a thunder and lightning storm during the during the crash that occurred at the herders ship circling around overhead that sounded like it was in trouble and then a few moments later they heard the smallholder explosion and that that's how we were able to pinpoint it you also put faces to some of the names that we heard about some of the witnesses that you've written about over the years and the corona ranchers that as you say were able to pinpoint you know a particular is the sound of that they heard a particular our for example corona ranch Eugene Cole we actually see her picture here I don't know that you've you've published one of her before but this is kind of a nice a nice tribute to these witnesses because now we know you know these are just words on a page these were human beings their faces behind all the names and one of the wonderful sources we've had from the very beginning was the fact that the Roswell army air field produce they publish the annual yearbook which it turns out was just for two three years back at that time but none the less we had over three thousand potential witnesses as as far as an R. so as source material back at that time and this week regarding the civilian witnesses you mentioned James many of these people were referred to us by other civilians people who lived in the Roswell community at that time or out in the surrounding Lincoln County the high desert region of New Mexico all were the crash originated and who's just like any criminal investigation minus a crime the prices of up in the field pro active tracking down these people and and sadly just about everyone of them is now gone and I think it in many ways Tom it and myself were we would say we we've always said we've we've been racing with the undertaker so to speak and the undertaker is one and so that's why this book is such a wonderful tribute as well to all of those witnesses who were brave enough not to step forward because they didn't that was always a one of the read your red flags whatever with this would contact us hurriedly they were never reliable because in in actuality the true witnesses were far from willing to go public in most cases they were very reluctant they were actually concerned for their safety of themselves and their families and so that's true you would was quite evident to us as to the magnitude of the stories they had to tell this is about one of them but one of the points on on the just read was correct that ninety nine percent of the witnesses that we found didn't quote unquote come forward we we had to find them and dig them out it is that it what happened was that the the ones that came forward and they were not a whole lot of them but usually they turn it turned out badly they they were making up something or they didn't have enough courage to follow through on what what they wanted to present to us and ninety like I said ninety nine percent we had to locate on our own one of the interesting things that I've I've learned reading this book and and that has to do with you know it wasn't like this crap just fell out of the sky and crashed in and M. Brazzell mac Brazel discovered it in the days leading up to that there was no people were seeing things in the sky and and there were there were some there was some activity unknowns on these radar facilities in places like Roswell N. L. Albuquerque white sands and and Alamogordo which has always left me wondering with this these radar installations because there's kind of this debate about what brought down this craft was it the lightning war could have been some sort of interference in its in its it in the in the ship because of these radar facilities well we know that the theory that is occasionally you know presented itself but I think we're the only ones that really investigated the fact that New Mexico I mean I'm I'm amazed how often especially when I think the Tom and I we lecturing will invariably always ask the audience word of the first atomic bomb or was it the first time a bomb detonated it's amazing how many even alerted faculty and college professors wealth quickly walk course Japan well how about right here how about New Mexico in fact how about just a couple hours west of Roswell and the fact that the first atomic bomb squadron the five all night bomb wing was stationed there in nineteen forty seven so they were the elite within the military best officers pilots crew doctors nurses if you swept a broom on that base back in nineteen forty seven it was because you were the best sweeper in the military are not and so it just made perfect sense that there were more Soviet spies in New Mexico than anywhere else at that time for obvious reasons and according to the forces own project Bluebook there were more UFO sightings in New Mexico than anywhere else at that time it was as though someone else was very interested in our military potential and I'll be the first area that they were checked out and so the head as a result white sands specifically just a couple hours west of Roswell to the north Trinity site the first atomic bomb detonation and at white sands they were launching the captured German V. two rocket after World War two so they had the most sophisticated radar system at that time in the world and unlike you other systems such as in Roswell and it can end in Clovis New Mexico in Kirkland up in Albuquerque white sands was able to track incoming as well as departing aircraft rocket launchers whatever they were testing at that time the other airports the other bases were only able to track incoming so they were still rather unsophisticated for the time but none the less the systems were there and because it was New Mexico you had that much activity that much traffic and the radar lobes as they would circle from their transmissions and the case of white sands it's reception those loads as it just can be easily happen intersected over Lincoln County and I think that's where this first your theory as to what was it the radar did the radar somehow jam their system because if you cause them to malfunction and then explode but here's the cute key point Richard it didn't it wasn't a crash it was a mid air explosion that was one of the things that even military such as major Jesse Marcel the first military officer to arrive at the scene concluded that based on the wide coverage the expanse of the debris field that this clearly was a mid air explosion causing it to then rain debris for extended length of of of of of of of of material and space sold if it was the mid air explosion Tom and I believe that it was either struck by lightning or internal malfunction we don't believe that the radar lobes had anything to do with it because it how would the radar cause it to explode there we just have not found any one excellent point rate that that would have happened the next day Thursday July third and mac Brazel is I would inspecting I guess the sheep pasture he's there with a young Timothy D. proctor there's a photo a series of photos in the book and I'm not sure if those are are are from nineteen forty seven or present day this earlier on in the book but I'm just wondering to what it how does it look today does it does that's that stretch of land look pretty much the same way it did back in forty seven is the pumping station still there at central.

Donald R. Schmidt director J. Allen Hynek center UFO studies investigator Dr J. Allen Hynek reporter
"allen hynek" Discussed on KGO 810

KGO 810

05:26 min | 2 years ago

"allen hynek" Discussed on KGO 810

"Donald R. Schmidt is the former co director of the J. Allen Hynek center for UFO studies where he served as director of special investigations for ten years prior to that he was a special investigator for the late Dr J. Allen Hynek for the international UFO reporter don's research became the foundation for the movie Roswell a film that brought the details of the denial and disinformation of nineteen forty seven to its largest audience ever Thomas Carey has been a mutual UFO network state section director in southeastern Pennsylvania a special investigator for the J. Allen Hynek center for UFO studies and a member of the crew photos board of directors Tom began investigating aspects of the Roswell incident in nineteen ninety one for the Roswell investigative team of Kevin Randall and don Schmitt and since nineteen ninety eight he's teamed exclusively with don to continue a proactive investigation their new book it's a good one is Roswell the chronological pictorial Thomas don welcome back to coast to coast AM how are you nice to be with you Richard same here if you're going to be with you again it is a it is an absolutely stunning book how many photographs illustrations maps all told you know yes I I'd actually have to add them up there's four hundred and sixty two photographs which includes several maps of the crash sites and there's no other Roswell book like this even the ones that don and I have written it there's you know as you said in your intro it takes the reader that puts the reader right into the case it brings the case alive and it takes you from the the time of the crash through just just before the time of the crash right up to the present day by day hour by hour sometimes minute by minute the month by month year by year and we have the these photographs to the illustrates bring the case to life that every step what is important to point out the book is that it's almost like a story board that you would put together for a movie four as you might produce within a court of law and we're even the two of us for common myself in the piecing it together in this manner it's even afforded us to re investigate re examined and it demonstrates its solidifies the case we believe is greater than ever in that because we're able to put this more very few other and then for the reader as well as sponsored by drawing them in the situation eliminates a lot of the questions it fills in many of the gaps that the text the textual components good news zero zero AM vividly account for because they they because the scribe in the past that's the wonderful thing about it because we've had a Melissa my kids I've had a number of very skeptical individuals look at this and they would call my god it comes together like a script becomes together is the OHL what else what other explanation could there be because nothing else fits in this scenario mixed up with the eye witnesses have been telling Tom and myself all these years I might add Richard that it took Crosby table type book which is slightly larger than your normal reading books and on like other coffee table books I'm sure you've seen them they some of the take up the whole table Willis doesn't it it's just a little bit larger than your normal book and it's got the full complement of pages it's not just it's not just like a quarter of an inch there quite a lot of coffee table books it's two hundred sixty two pages which is like full book and as I said the earlier you we have over four hundred photographs it it brings the reader in into the case and brings the cake brings the case alive right Anderson some new information in here as well and then we'll get into some of that one of the the interesting things always you you you've been able with the help of a researcher to track down not only the exact day but almost the exact hour of the crash tell me about how that was pieced together and then what the result was well we are the date of the crash was always a loose of for researchers beginning back I guess when the first book came out in nineteen eighty the Roswell incident the the date has varied from originally I think it was July the second nineteen forty seven and then when Randle and Schmitt did the they did two books together it moved up to July the fourth but one of our associates by the name of David that Rudy act out in California the witnesses to the back when they were still alive they recall that the the crash took place during.

Donald R. Schmidt director J. Allen Hynek center UFO studies
"allen hynek" Discussed on KLIF 570 AM

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13:06 min | 2 years ago

"allen hynek" Discussed on KLIF 570 AM

"Five seventy K. L. I. house and welcome back to coast to coast George story with you Pauline neck with us our final segment as we're talking about the television program project blue book the Hynek UFO report and his late father J. Allen Hynek fascinating family polled and when you all get together for offense thanksgiving do you talk about dad absolutely he's sort of a a larger than life figure is an icon yeah yeah he really is let's go to the phones east of the Rockies glands with us on the Louisville Kentucky high gland hi guys all I wanted to let you know I'm retired newspaper columnist and editor and now what seems like a lot like time ago when I was a young reporter I was an acquaintance of the late John for the road we are at in yeah that's right and engine in Exeter in anyway was through John that I was introduced to your father and the center for UFO studies at that time and no question was just getting started and I ended up writing a press release or two four for your dad and asking one day given all the information that we have data about the file cabinets filled with information how he maintains his enthusiasm for all all of the in the face of all that they have any said something that out and I'm sending three nine out kept this with me all my life he said land it only takes one it only takes one case he was absolutely convinced I believe that he would some day fine that one case it would be quantifiable scientifically and answerable to all the questions that the scientific community and and that in one way or another it would prove the existence of a life that was different from the one we have here great to talk to you thank you for taking my call small world my recollection of that's it's really nice to hear and you know maybe you didn't find that that one smoking gun but he certainly set the foundation for others to do so absolutely back to the lawn is a more case answer coral New Mexico the police officer I still quote that case it's it's one of the best isn't it is and that's you know by that time my father had really come full circle and and just and and personally investigated that case and and thought it was just one of the one of the better more convincing pieces of evidence in the puzzle sure once absent did he ever meet Lani ruler several times have any must be must to believe them it it it police officers by you know by virtue of their occupation typically tend to be pretty credible witnesses and allow me to be a especially so absolutely sane with pilots yeah yeah they have their very good vision they're trained to not to get overly emotional one something very strange happens and they they can judge distance and and size very well do you believe project Bluebook died in nineteen sixty nine or did it continue quietly that's a really good question George and we've seen recently with a tip that these projects never really die they just sort of morph into a different agency and it's it it it you know that that one project and sort of that public relations exercise may have gone away but we know that the navy and the army the airforce didn't stop studying the phenomena and they're probably still studying absolutely would would you want them to yes yes apps absolutely did your father knoll the late but Hopkins absolutely he did okay yeah it was it was it was a close family friend do we have these giants of ufology anymore Paul do we have a giants have you vote you know yeah like your father he was one of the giants yeah well okay lays absolutely a living legend in the field that's right and and I did a I was asked to speak about a all right at a UFO conference and I said well I'd be happy to do that but how about I actually asked the questions to Jacques ballet who knows a whole lot more about UFOs and who has a PhD in a I from northwestern I think that would be S. the audience perfect perfect let's go to Janet Houston Texas side Janet welcome to the program my goodness hello it's such an honor to talk to you gentlemen George I've only waiting a long time to get on the show thank you by the way you know you you coming to our life Houston troll announcer I will be the first in line to you I promise you are anyway so I'm a retired from a nurse and so you know I'm really based in a lot of science and you know crew five tests and you know did they cause this in there however when we were I was growing up in West Virginia in about nineteen sixty eight sixty nine we went to the neighborhood kids are planned out on the street where playing stickball and we lived really close to the Pittsburgh airport so we were we grew up with planes and you know all kind of step one across home I mean constantly and so we we knew you know those were not you at that was how ever one day we were out there playin and all the sudden in the side just instantaneously there was the flight right right some kind of be a cold and covered around with light and it just popped up and it was so bright in it you know make me was a Nova we don't know however we all witnessed these little lights going back into the big ship and then it was gone I mean in seconds it was gone but we all witnessed this and we need to this day I was born in fifty five so it's part about thirteen fourteen we talk about it and then when I was looking up later on in life at looking up that in that time here yeah like late sixties seventies there was no did to be a lot of UFO sightings and so Paul I was wondering did your dad ever find like specific big nearest may be that we're a bunch to more than others with certain you know UFO sightings Sir these flaps Paul yep flap that's right echo five nineteen fifty four was a a high water mark for K. sightings at nineteen fifty two is also notable because as the show and and the show project blue book and episode ten of season one there were UFOs the one over the nation's capitol Washington DC captured on a newspaper photographers fill right so and president Truman actually scrambled fighter jets to go after them of course that was going to be useless and for not to right right but the fact that the the sitting president scrambled fighter jets that means that the reports that bubbles up to him must've been pretty credible that was a great series a cases too did did your father ever investigate the battle of Los Angeles that the story you know I don't know that's a that's a fascinating local tale here in LA and I don't know what he did personally to investigate that but I want to find out I want to investigate his investigation of that Paul Heinegg with us this is our final segment as we take your phone calls let's go to Paul in Dayton Ohio Hey Paul go ahead Sir I'm really glad to get into the show and I really appreciate the show thank you I use the wall you get that get a real kick out of the fact that many many years ago here at Wright Patterson airforce base it was a sad face did you get a command and that made you quite mellow was the one who was writing project blue book mmhm and we're out there we measured that begin the sky which will show with the UFO and I called major quite well are the first thing he said was no you just saw Venus we said mellow wasn't V. this we measure the altitude the speed and so on there was a some sort of an engineering program but yes it was the week where budget vegetarian student I just graduated from the university of that so we are out there on the edge of the roadways because we're getting a number of sightings so yeah I just sort of get a kick out of the fight they called everything Venus no matter what they saw yeah what a surprise yeah it was it was a comment that you know of the matter what you saw this although which is the planet Venus yeah you know and something that's interesting is sort of life image art imitates life is that Michael malarkey who plays captain Quinn which is sort of an amalgamation of the various airforce project Bluebook directors was born ten minutes from Dayton Ohio absolutely in the ratings by the way for the TV show are pretty good aren't they the show was the highest rated scripted show on cable the new the highest rated new scripted show on cable last year I mean they're averaging well over a million and a half people watching it every episode yes three to four million that's growing yeah it's it's done very well the super Paul Heinegg with us our final segment here let's go next to hear you in Brooklyn New York Kerry taken away hi George thank you for taking my call you here if you will for the love you show it's great thank you there was a of books Google books mentioned on the show well back world suction about Betty and Barney hill yup and there was a of the interrupted journey no by Jon fuller right here he was writing about Betty and Barney right that's right and also a book awakening by merry ride world yeah okay good books to will pick up to read all my gosh yeah absolutely they're classics if you're into you what your foes in ufology Kerry those are the ones you were different we want and of course all of doctor Jaylen nine exports right called course I still love close encounters of the third kind I so I think I still have that original book talk way somewhere yeah and and the movie really holds up it's just a really compelling look at the overall you're for experience and like I talked about there's more that often goes on besides just seeing some ship in the sky exactly Clayton's what's us truck driving in Iowa hello Clayton go ahead a thanks for let me on the so I'm a big listener all I have a question back in the early nineties I wash my very first UFO movie it was directed by Robert Lieberman the nineteen ninety three film fire in the sky I was going to no did your father by any chance ever work with the with the director of the movie or the ever the actor who Travis Walton who played DB Sweeney yeah so no but I'm friends with Travis Walton and I'm talking with Travis about re doing a movie version of this story because he's not altogether pleased with fire in the sky Travis is a good guide by the words DB DB Sweeney play Travis that's right in now Travis is just a superb individual and passed a lie detector test that's right and that's another one of my father's favorite cases and Travis and I are friends and I would love to help them achieve a better version of of his extraordinary experience he's well received at conferences Paul people like him he's a bullet but thank gosh I wish we could get him some more real exposure let's take another couple calls North Carolina we go rounds with this east of the Rockies Hey Ronald go ahead Sir John and great program hi yeah I'm and my next Coast Guard I'm sixty eight years old I was already a man aboard a Coast Guard cutter Spencer and we never saw I've had quite a few UFO encounters bad affect like your member number John and my friend we've camped out on top the hill and if you remember that the UFO that and his kicks Berg Pennsylvania that thing which we I'm pretty sure where that's when we stop to arrest and end up crashing insects birds but you wanna tell you about is there was this one number and I'm a catch I make and then not shell because it could be a long story but it was mission there were some aborted Custer kind of stretch over on a station echo and the wires were able to at night time I think it's like nine or ten o'clock at night the wires were perfectly flat level is like a glass G..

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"allen hynek" Discussed on KGO 810

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14:26 min | 3 years ago

"allen hynek" Discussed on KGO 810

"Allen Hynek he did end up being a hero Disney yeah. curious about Jay on and I was privileged one night in the seventies to spend an entire evening with him and regale him about a couple of investigation the S. one gas running yeah. yes he was called to the scene when Michigan in nineteen sixty five had a couple of nights so why old stories from south east and south Michigan around a couple of small towns dexter Michigan wasn't Exter was the first one and then Hillsdale at Hillsdale college younger as well as a couple of university administrators they had eighty seven girls from the dorm at Hillsdale to see these lights over IT us want it was. March. and so hi Nick was called in when the us was making headlines all over the papers and after two days he said of chaotic interviews he coined the unfortunate term swamp gas now I am told them that he was told to say that did you ever hear that story no I did not hear him order to say he he apparently went head to take a phone call they said the you know doctor our neck they're calling you from Washington the he took a call in a room came back looked ticked off and then announced to the media that it was swamp gas yeah. I wouldn't be the first in line to say that hi Nick with no true believer he will was to the very end the hard nosed scientist but he did go from being a defunct Kerr in the early fifties when he joined the airforce is because to finally as you know in nineteen seventy three formed his own group the center for UFO studies which bears his name today you know was that case of Lonnie Zamora the police officer in Sir coral New Mexico that helped change his mind. yes because the more was chasing a speaker when he saw a flash of both blue and orange flames in the sky or off the road and so he just drove his cruiser over the the desert terrain until he came upon this egg shaped object resting on the ground with a couple of little quite suited gray is outside the vehicle when they spotted him they race back in and with the rumbling roaring sound it took off again but yet left both depressions and scorch marks and he brought him his police superior to what verified what had happened there I don't think that this was a good moment in mysteries of Morris wife he's been featured on many many documentaries sense but he he paid a price of among his colleagues he was for a while a laughing stock that's true too that that's absolutely true June amazing cases over the years we don't seem to get them anymore why is that. in my right. well there's always something going on and you know if if you count up move on statistics in a year's time there's going to be a thousand or two thousand. cases from shaky the solid I mean the last really good one moon I and I'm not talking about the release of the tic tac aircraft case or anything like that but on the real last great case where there were witnesses was the Phoenix lights and and I was twenty two years ago yeah yeah and that was seen by so many that is you you probably can't make a statement for what the government says about the Phoenix lights because they didn't say much not much slayers and all kinds of stuff yeah they actually what it appears that they did was after the fact of late at night they sent a couple of helicopters up to drop some players and say that's what people misidentified but they were off by about an hour and a half. really happened let's take some calls you for you down let's pick it up by going to bill North Carolina first time caller hello there bill welcome to the program Hey thank you guys very much for allowing me to to hello input here I yeah. may not have a lot to add but I would like to say when I was in the airforce Montes sixty six to sixty nine thank you too bye Sir by the way well I think you're much I was at Luke airforce base and Luke airforce base was a radar operator. and we saw it was part of the sage environment semi automatic ground environment so it's kind of a computerized system at the time. and we would have objects on radar that was the the speed of the object was so fast because he probably couldn't keep up with the data input and they were they were definitely unknown I'm just on the list a guy so I don't have all have a lot to add but there definitely was unidentified objects on radar and then when I got to Iceland I went to Iceland for one year I was a crew chief up there and then we would have objects again all right are but that was a manual system that was not a computerized system and that we would have objects in maintenance would tell us sometimes it was called that was a term called running rabbits and so I definitely have seen objects alright are with my own eyes that was under fire then when I left ice one went to the command post at our center for space. one of my jobs there. was he could not call reports when someone would call in it was nothing we just take a sheet of paper that had questions on it and we'll just ask the questions in a liquid up book and I don't remember all the questions but questions like if you sought object in you have your first stray al yeah in relationship to your arm. right now arm's length as others like one of the questions we asked and I'm always joke about this when I was in college and. and then my career with other bodies were some non talking you know I think those who question the best I remember there was a question on here yet today probably wouldn't fly out there was a question on have you been drinking I I'm I'm. sure that was the question on there like that but. I just wanted to add that. first hand tossed up on right now that was a random sample did you ever scrambled is you have to scramble any objects to catch from. we scrambled jets but it was to to intercept the Soviets coming over the ages but it now we we didn't scramble of any unknown objects we if we scramble we knew pretty much what we were going after I believe that that's great story thank and I wonder how many operators of radar units Dan could say exactly what he did I'm reminded of one some radar that was on board an airliner which. radio India and to say that something was approaching him and was going what the equivalent would be of ten thousand eight hundred miles an hour that it covered like twenty four kilometers in a number of seconds and that it was going so fast that on their radar screen it was leaving a trail. that was a favorite of mine let's go to Joe in the Bronx welcome to the program Joseph Edward L. always well thanks Joe. among the files to he reviewed water any files having to do with the the Roswell. the the the wall I go to the tackle over real lately. the Eisenhower meetings would he please. no none of those things was covered by the CI a I had five hundred fifty C. I. A. reports or documents but what I found early on in that in the process of going through all of them and and separating the wheat from chaff was if it had anything to do with national security it was not the eventually put on the CIA website than those were held in abeyance and I have some really good cases from around the world that the that the CIA must have known about but because it involved their personnel or they always have friendly nations and was peculiar that was a national security interest and it went no where. let's talk a little bit about doctor James McDonald what was his role in all of this. he's a favorite and a hero to me doctor McDonald was an atmospheric physicist at the university of Arizona and however he came to this in October of sixty six the newspaper the Arizona Republic ran an article titled UFO harsh blamed on CI a man. doctor McDonald was a hard core scientists to but he would tell audiences that he came to the T. eighteen hypothesis as the least unacceptable explaining. he he rejected things like time travel and E. S. P. N. secret aircraft and natural phenomena as overall explanations. well he went after the C. I. A. because when he was at Wright Patterson airforce base he looked at that old nineteen fifty three Robertson panel report and at that point there was a memo attached from the C. I. A. to the Air Force ordering beer forced to keep long. cases and so he really came down with both fists on the C. I. A. over that he made a number of appearances before various audiences and was to the C. I. A. he was a real pain in the ****. and eventually because of his public speaking on this subject and repeatedly saying the C. I. A. with flying and the Air Force was debunking at the CIA's behest he ran into trouble with his university superiors and also went home and he eventually took his own life. or you can take it anymore Cody yeah he just couldn't handle that much pressure but to me he was in on some hero. the condom report that came out in sixty seven sixty eight to debunk project blue book that was a set up wasn't sure what by a sixty seven the Air Force was ready to punch they didn't have an answer to everything and neither could they get rid of it so they ask for for you know other committee to be set up and this was under Edward Condon a physicist at cal I had need to check the university of Colorado. he put together for other physicists and three psychologists to go over not a large number but a number of cases but and I put down a couple of quotes here that I think are worthy of mention the chief of staff in effect with another physicist named Dr little Robert Lowell from UC. he told university officials just as they were getting under way in the late sixty seven our study would be conducted almost exclusively by non believers who. would add an impressive body of evidence that there is no real reality to the observations and then the key he said the trick would be I think to describe it sold that to the public it would appear to be a totally objective study but to the scientific community it would grab be it would present the image of a group of non believers trying their best to be objective but having an almost zero chance of finding a softer no it's not here yet the objectivity of doctor Robert Lowell. in London himself said I won't believe in outer space saucers until I see one touch one all it into a laboratory and get some competent people to go over with me tell him to go on area fifty one. he also told the press early on this is in the first couple of months of the condom committee's existence it is my inclination right now to recommend that the government get out of the business my attitude right now is that there is nothing to it but I'm not supposed to reach a conclusion for another year. not here in Brooklyn New York welcome to the show hi.

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"allen hynek" Discussed on WIBC 93.1FM

WIBC 93.1FM

14:22 min | 3 years ago

"allen hynek" Discussed on WIBC 93.1FM

"Allen Hynek he did end up being a hero did me yeah. curious about Jay on and I was privileged one night in the seventies to spend an entire evening with him and regale him about couple of investigations I swamp gas running yeah. yes he was called to the scene when Michigan in nineteen sixty five had a couple of nights so why old stories from south east and south Michigan around a couple of small towns dexter Michigan wasn't Exter was the first one and then Hillsdale at Hillsdale college younger as well as a couple of university administrators they had eighty seven girls from the dorm at Hillsdale to see these lights whole variety of swamp it was. March. and so hi Nick was called in when the us was making headlines all over the papers and after two days he said of chaotic interviews he coined the unfortunate term swamp gas now I am told them that he was told to say that did you ever hear that story no I did not hear him order to say he he apparently went head to take a phone call they said the you know doctor our neck they're calling you from Washington the he took a call in a room came back looked ticked off and then announced to the media that it was swamp gas yeah. I wouldn't be the first in line to say that hi Nick was no true believer he will was to the very end the hard thing always scientist but he did go from being at the bunker in the early fifties when he joined the airforce is because to finally as you know in nineteen seventy three. formed his own group the center for UFO studies which bears his name today in a piece of Lonnie Zamora the police officer in Sir coral New Mexico that helped change his mind. yes because the more was chasing this either when he saw a flash of blue and orange flames in the sky or off the road and so he just drove his cruiser over the the desert terrain until he came upon this egg shaped object resting on the ground with a couple of little suited gray's outside the vehicle when they spotted him they raced back in and with the rumbling roaring sound it took off again but yet left both depressions and scorch marks and he brought in his police superior to what verified what had happened there I don't think that this was a good moment in mystery so Morris life he's been featured on many many documentaries sense but he paid a price of among his colleagues he would support while a laughing stock that's true too that that's absolutely true soon mazing cases over the years we don't seem to get them any more why is that. in my right. well there's always something going on and you know it if you count up move on statistics in a year's time there's gonna be thousand or two thousand. cases from shaking the solid I mean the last really good one moon I and I'm not talking about the release of the tick tack aircraft case or anything like that but on the real last great case where there were witnesses was the Phoenix lights and and I was twenty two years ago yeah yeah and that was seen by so many that is you you probably can't make a statement for what the government said about the Phoenix lights because they didn't say much not much slayers and all kinds of stuff yeah they actually what it appears that they did was after the fact late at night they sent a couple of helicopters up to drop some players and say that's what people misidentified but they were off by about an hour and a half. really happen let's take some calls you for you down let's pick it up by going to bill in North Carolina a first time caller hello there bill welcome to the program Hey thank you guys very much for allowing me to to hello input here I yeah. may not have a lot to add but I would like to say when I was in the airforce Montes sixty six to sixty nine thank you too bye Sir by the way well I think you're much I was at Luke airforce base and Luke airforce base the right operator. and we saw it was part of the sage environment semi automatic ground environment so it's kind of a computerized system at the time. and we would have objects on radar that was. the subject was surprised because he thought it couldn't keep up with the data input and they were they were definitely unknown I'm just an unlisted guy so I don't have all have a lot to add but there definitely was unidentified objects all right all right then when I got to Iceland I went to Iceland I was a crew chief up there and then we would add a object again all right are but that was a manual system that was not a computerized system and that we would have objects in making it would tell us sometimes it was called that was a term called running rabbits and so I definitely have seen objects alright are with my own eyes that was under fire then when I left Iceland went through the command post at over center for space. one of my jobs there. your call reports when someone would call in it was nothing we just take a sheet of paper that had questions on it just ask the questions in a liquid up book and I don't remember all the questions but questions like if you sought out here you have your fist straight out yeah in relationship to your arm. right now arm's length and that's like one of the questions we asked and I'll always joke about this when I was in college and. and then my career with other bodies we're something I'm talking you know I think it was a question best I remember there was a question on here that did they probably wouldn't fly out there was a question on have you been drinking I I'm I'm. sure that was the question on there like that but. I just wanted to add that. first hand post up on right now that was a random sample did you ever scrambled if you have to scramble any objects to catch from. yes but it was the two intercept the Soviets coming only eight is but it now we we didn't scramble of any of unknown objects we if we scramble we knew pretty much what we were going after I believe that that's great story thank and I wonder how many operators of radar units Dan could say exactly what he did I'm reminded of one some radar that was on board an airliner which. radio India and to say that something was approaching him and was going what the equivalent would be of ten thousand eight hundred miles an hour that it covered like twenty four kilometers in a number of seconds and that it was going so fast that on their radar screen it was leaving a trail. well that was a favorite of mine let's go to Joe in the Bronx welcome to the program Joseph. always well thanks. did. among the files that he is being water any files having to do with the the Roswell. the the wall I go back over allegedly. the Eisenhower meetings would eat please. no none of those things which covered by the CIA I had five hundred fifty CIA reports or documents but what I found early on in that in the process of going through all of them and and separating the wheat from chaff was if it had anything to do with national security it was not the eventually put on the CIA website that those were held in abeyance and I have some really good cases from around the world that the that the CI a must have known about but because it involves their personnel or they always have friendly nations and with kill your that was a national security interest and it went no where Dan let's talk a little bit about doctor James McDonald what was wrong and all of this. he's the favorite in a hero to me doctor McDonald was an atmospheric physicist at the university of Arizona and however he came to this in October of sixty six the newspaper the Arizona Republic ran an article titled UFO harsh Bulleen down CI a man. doctor McDonald was a hard core scientist but he would tell audiences that he came to the T. P. hypothesis at the least unacceptable explaining. he he rejected things like time travel and E. S. P. N. secret aircraft and natural phenomena as overall explanations. well he went after the C. I. A. because when he was at Wright Patterson airforce base he looked at that old nineteen fifty three Robertson panel report and at that point there was a memo attached from the CIA to the airforce ordering beer forced to keep long. cases and so he really came down with both fists on the CIA over that he made a number of appearances before various audiences and was to the CIA he was real pain in the ****. and eventually because of his public speaking on this subject and repeatedly saying the C. I. A. with flying and the airforce was debunking at the CIA's behalf. he ran into trouble with his university superiors and also went home and he eventually took his own life. or if you can take it anymore Cody he just couldn't handle that much pressure but to me he was in on song. the condom report that came out in sixty seven sixty eight to debunk project blue book that was a set up wasn't sure what by a sixty seven the Air Force was ready to punch they didn't have an answer to everything and neither could they get rid of it so they ask for for a nother committee to be set up and this was under Edward than a physicist at cal or at call running sneakers university account. he put together for other physicists and three psychologists the goal over not a large number but a number of cases but and I put down a couple of quotes here that I think are worthy of mention the chief of staff in effect with another physicist named Dr little Robert Lowell from UC. he told university officials just as they were getting under way in the late sixty seven hours study would be conducted almost exclusively by non believers who. would add an impressive body of evidence that there is no real reality to the observations and then the key he said the trick would be I think to describe it sold that to the public it would appear to be a totally objective study but to the scientific community it would grab be it would present the image of a group of non believers trying their best to be objective but having an almost zero chance of finding a softer that's not here yet the objectivity of doctor Robert Lowell. and then himself said I won't believe in outer space doctors until I see one touch one all it into a laboratory and get some competent people to go over with me tell him to go to area fifty one. he also told the press early on this is in the first couple of months of the condom committee's existence it is my inclination right now to recommend that the government get out of the business my attitude right now is that there is nothing to it but I'm not supposed to reach a conclusion for another year..

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"allen hynek" Discussed on 106.1 FM WTKK

"Allen Hynek he did end up being a hero Disney yeah. curious about Jay on and I was privileged one night in the seventies to spend an entire evening with him and regale him about couple of investigation the S. one gas right yeah. yes he was called to the scene when Michigan in nineteen sixty five had a couple of nights so why old stories from south east and south Michigan around a couple of small towns dexter Michigan wasn't Exter was the first one and then Hillsdale at Hillsdale college younger as well as a couple of university administrators they had eighty seven girls from the dorm at Hillsdale to see these lights over IP us want it was. March. and so hi Nick was called in. and that's what's making headlines all over the papers and after two days he said of chaotic interviews he coined the unfortunate term swamp gas now I am told them that he was told to say that did you ever hear that story no I did not hear it yeah order to say he he apparently went head to take a phone call they said the you know doctor our neck they're calling you from Washington the he took a call in a room came back looked ticked off and then announced to the media that it was swamp gas yeah. I would be the first in line to say that hi Nick with no true believer he will was to the very end the hard nosed scientist but he did go from being a dipg Kerr in the early fifties when he joined the airforce is because to finally as you know in nineteen seventy three formed his own group the center for UFO studies which bears his name today and it was that case of Lonnie Zamora the police officer in Sir coral New Mexico that helped change his mind. yes because the more was chasing this either when he saw a flash of both blue and orange flames in the sky or off the road and so he just drove his cruiser over the the desert terrain until he came upon this egg shaped object resting on the ground with a couple of little quite suited gray is outside the vehicle when they spotted him they raced back in and with the rumbling roaring sound it took off again but it left both depressions and scorch marks and he brought in his police superior to what verified what had happened there I don't think that this was a good moment in mystery so Morris life he's been featured on many many documentaries sense but he he paid a price of among his colleagues he was for a while a laughing stock that's true too that that's absolutely true soon mazing cases over the years we don't seem to get them anymore why is that. in my right. well there's always something going on and you know it if you count up move on statistics in a year's time there's going to be a thousand or two thousand. cases from shaky the solid I mean the last really good one moon I and I'm not talking about the release of the tic tac aircraft case or anything like that but the real last great case where there were witnesses was the Phoenix lights and and I was twenty two years ago yeah yeah and that was seen by so many that is you you probably can't make a statement for what the government said about the Phoenix lights because they didn't say much not much slayers and all kinds of stuff yeah they actually what it appears that they did was after the fact of late at night they sent a couple of helicopters up to drop some players and say that's what people misidentified but they were off by about an hour and a half what really happened let's take some calls you for you down let's pick it up by going to bill North Carolina first time caller hello there bill welcome to the program Hey thank you guys very much for allowing me to to hello input here I yeah. may not have a lot to add but I would like to say when I was in the airforce Montes sixty six to sixty nine thank you too bye Sir by the way well I think you're much I was at Luke airforce base and Luke airforce base was a radar operator. and we saw it was part of the sage environment semi automatic ground environment so I was kind of a computerized system at the time. and we would have objects on radar that was the the speed of the object was surprised he could keep up it couldn't keep up with the data input and they were they were definitely on my own I'm just in the listing guy so I don't have all have I want to add but there definitely was unidentified objects all right all right then when I got to Iceland I went to Iceland for one year I was a crew chief up there and then we would have object again all right are but that was a manual system that was not a computerized system and that we would have objects in maintenance with fellow sometimes it was called that was a term called running rabbits and so I definitely have seen object alright are with my own eyes that was identifiable then when I left Iceland went through the command post at over center for space. one of my jobs there. your call reports when someone would call in it was nothing we just take a sheet of paper that had questions on it and we just ask the questions in a liquid in a book and I don't remember all the questions but questions like if you saw an object in you have your fist straight out yeah in relationship to your arm. right now at arm's length as of this like one of the questions we asked and I'm always joke about this when I was in college and. and then my career with other bodies were sent on talking you know I think those who question the best I remember there was a question on here that today probably wouldn't fly out there was a question on have you been drinking I I'm I'm. sure that was the question on there like that but. I just wanted to add that I. first hand tossed up all right now that was a random sample did you ever scrambled if you have to scramble any objects to catch from. we scrambled jets but it was the two intercept the Soviets coming over the ages but it now we we didn't scramble on any unknown objects we if we scramble we knew pretty much what we were going after I believe that that's great story thank and I wonder how many operators of radar units Dan could say exactly what he did I'm reminded of one some radar that was on board an airliner which. radio India and to say that something was approaching him and was going what the equivalent would be of ten thousand eight hundred miles an hour that it covered like twenty four kilometers and the number of seconds and that it was going so fast that on their radar screen it was leaving a trail. well that was a favorite of mine let's go to Joe in the Bronx welcome to the program Joseph. always well thanks Joe. did. among the files to he reviewed water any files having to do with either Roswell the wall I go to tackle real lately. the Eisenhower meetings would eat please. no none of those things was covered by the CI a I had five hundred fifty C. I. A. reports or documents. what I found early on in the in the process of going through all of them and and separating the wheat from chaff was if it had anything to do with national security it was not the eventually put on the CIA website that boats were held in abeyance and I have some really good cases from around the world that the that the CIA must have known about but because it involved their personnel or they're always so friendly nations and with the queue your that was a national security interest and it went no where Dan let's talk a little bit about doctor James McDonald what was his role in all of this. he's a favorite and a hero to me doctor McDonald was an atmospheric physicist at the university of Arizona and however he came to this in October of sixty six the newspaper the Arizona Republic ran an article titled UFO harsh blamed CI a man. doctor McDonald was a hard core scientists to but he would tell audiences that he came to the T. eighteen hypothesis as the least on acceptable explanation. he he rejected things like time travel and E. S. P. N. secret aircraft and natural phenomena as overall explanations. well he went after the C. I. A. because when he was at Wright Patterson airforce base he looked at that old nineteen fifty three Robertson panel report and at that point there was a memo attached from the CI a to the Air Force ordering beer forced to keep long. cases and so he really came down with both fists on the CI a over that he made a number of appearances before various audiences and was to the CIA he was a real pain in the ****. and eventually because of his public speaking on this subject and repeatedly saying the C. I. A. with flying and the airforce was debunking at the CIA's behest he ran into trouble with his university superiors and all the way home and he eventually took his own life. he couldn't take it anymore could he just couldn't handle that much pressure but to me he was in on song hero. the condom report that came out in sixty seven sixty eight to debunk project blue book that was a set up wasn't sure what by a sixty seven the Air Force was ready to punch they didn't have an answer to everything and neither could they get rid of it so they ask for for a nother committee to be set up and this was under Edward Condon a physicist at cal I had need to check the university of Colorado. he put together for other physicists and three psychologists to go over not a large number but a number of cases but and I put down a couple of quotes here that I think are worthy of mention the chief of staff in effect with another physicist named Dr little Robert Lowell from UC. he told university officials just as they were getting under way in the late sixty seven our study would be conducted almost exclusively by non believers who. would add an impressive body of evidence that there is no real reality to the observations and then the key he said the trick would be I think to describe it sold that to the public it would appear to be a totally objective study but to the scientific community it would grab be it would present the image of a group of non believers trying their best to be objective but having an almost zero chance of finding a softer that's not here yet the objectivity of doctor Robert Lowell. in London himself said I won't believe in outer space saucers until I see one touch one all it into a laboratory and get some competent people to go over with me someone to go to area fifty one. he also told the press early on this is in the first couple of months of the con in committees existence it is my inclination right now to recommend that the government get out of the business my attitude right now is that there is nothing to it but I'm not supposed to reach a conclusion for another year. the New York welcome to the show hi Harry. you George good to.

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"allen hynek" Discussed on WCBM 680 AM

WCBM 680 AM

15:07 min | 3 years ago

"allen hynek" Discussed on WCBM 680 AM

"Allen Hynek he did end up being a hero Disney yeah. curious about Jay on and I was privileged one night in the seventies to spend an entire evening with him and regale him about a couple of investigation the S. one gas right yeah. yes he was called to the scene when Michigan in nineteen sixty five had a couple of nights of wild stories from south east and south Michigan around a couple of small towns dexter Michigan wasn't Exter was the first one and then Hillsdale at Hillsdale college younger as well as a couple of university administrators they had eighty seven girls from the dorm at hills fail to see these lights over IT us want it was March. and so hi Nick was called in when the us was making headlines all over the papers and after two days he said of chaotic interviews he coined the unfortunate term swamp gas now I am told them that he was told to say that did you ever hear that story no I did not hear him order to say he he apparently went head to take a phone call they said the you know doctor our neck they're calling you from Washington he took a call in a room came back looked ticked off. and then announced to the media that it was swamp gas yeah. I wouldn't be the first in line to say that hi Nick was no true believer he will was to the very end the hard nosed scientist but he did go from being a defunct her in the early fifties when he joined the airforce is because to finally as you know in nineteen seventy three formed his own group the center for UFO studies which bears his name today and it was that case of Lonnie Zamora the police officer in Sir coral New Mexico that helped change his mind. yeah so more was chasing this either when he saw a flash of both blue and orange flames in the sky or off the road and so he just drove his cruiser over the the desert terrain until he came upon this egg shaped object resting on the ground with a couple of little quite suited gray's outside the vehicle when they spotted him they raced back in and with the rumbling roaring sound it took off again but yet left both depressions and scorch marks and he brought in his police superiors to verified what had happened there I don't think that this was a great moment in mysteries of Morris wife he's been featured on many many documentaries sense but he paid a price of among his colleagues he was for a while a laughing stock that's true too that that's absolutely true June amazing cases over the years we don't seem to get them anymore why is that. in my right. well there's always something going on and you know if if you count up move on statistics in a year's time there's going to be a thousand or two thousand. cases from shaking the solid I mean the last really good one moon I and I'm not talking about the release of the tic tac aircraft case or anything like that what are the real last great case where there were witnesses was the Phoenix lights and and I was twenty two years ago now yeah and that was seen by so many that is you you probably can't make a statement for what the government said about the Phoenix lights because they didn't say much not much layers and all kinds of stuff yeah they actually what it appears that they did was after the fact of late at night they sent a couple of helicopters up to drop some players and say that's what people misidentified but they were off by about an hour and a half what really happened let's take some calls you for you down let's pick it up by going to bill North Carolina first time caller hello there bill welcome to the program Hey thank you guys very much for allowing me to to hello input here I yeah. may not have a lot to add but I would like to say when I was in the airforce Montes sixty six to sixty nine thank you too bye Sir by the way well I think you're much Alice at Luke airforce base in Luke Air Force base was a radar operator. and we saw it was part of the sage environment semi automatic ground environment so I was kind of a computerized system at the time. and we would have objects on radar that was the the speed of the object was surprised because he thought it couldn't keep up with the data input and they were they were definitely on my own I'm just in the listing guy so I don't have all have I want to add but there definitely was unidentified objects on radar and then when I got to Iceland I went to Iceland. I was a crew chief up there and then we would have object again all right are but there was a manual system that was not a computerized system and that we would have objects in maintenance would tell us sometimes it was called there was a term called running rabbits and so I definitely have seen objects alright are with my own eyes that was under fire then when I left ice one went to the command post at over center for space. one of my jobs there. listed his knuckle reports when someone would call in it was nothing we just take a sheet of paper that had questions on it and we'll just ask the questions in a liquid up book and I don't remember all the questions but questions like if you sought out here can you have your fist straight now yeah in relationship to your head Armani right now at arm's length and then there's like one of the questions we asked and I'm always joke about this when I was in college and. and then my career with other bodies were sent on talking you know I think those who question best I remember there was a question on here that today probably wouldn't fly out there was a question on have you been drinking I I'm I'm. sure that was the question on there like that but. I just wanted to add that. first hand saws stuff all right on that was random sample did you ever scrambled is you have to scramble imia jets to catch from. we scrambled jets but it was the two intercept the Soviets coming over the ages but it now we we didn't scramble on any unknown objects we if we scramble we knew pretty much what we were going after I believe that that's great story thank and I wonder how many operators of radar units Dan could say exactly what he did I'm reminded of one some radar that was on board an airliner which. radio India and to say that something was approaching him and was going what the equivalent would be of ten thousand eight hundred miles an hour that it covered like twenty four kilometers and the number of seconds and that it was going so fast that on their radar screen it was leaving a trail. but. that was a favorite of mine let's go to Joe in the Bronx welcome to the program Joseph Edward L. always well thanks Joe good good good among the files to he reviewed water any files having to do with the the Roswell the the wall because the tackle over LA. the Eisenhower meetings would eat please. no none of those things was covered by the CI a I had five hundred fifty C. I. A. reports or documents but what I found early on in the in the process of going through all of them and and separating wheat from chaff was if it had anything to do with national security it was not the eventually put on the CIA website than those were held in abeyance and I have some really good cases from around the world that the that the CIA must have known about but because it involved their personnel or they're always so friendly nations and was peculiar that was a national security interest and it went no where DM let's talk a little bit about doctor James McDonald what was his role in all of this. he's a favorite and a hero to me doctor McDonald was an atmospheric physicist at the university of Arizona and however he came to this in October of sixty six the newspaper the Arizona Republic ran an article titled UFO harsh Bulleen down CI a man. doctor McDonald was a hard core scientists to but he would tell audiences that he came to the P. T. hypothesis as the least on acceptable explanation. he he rejected things like time travel and E. S. P. N. secret aircraft and natural phenomena as overall explanations. well he went after the C. I. A. because when he was at Wright Patterson airforce base he looked at that old nineteen fifty three Robertson panel report and at that point there was a memo attached from the C. I. A. to the Air Force ordering the Air Force to keep long. cases and so he really came down with both fists on the C. I. A. over that he made a number of appearances before various audiences and was to the C. I. A. he was real pain in the ****. and eventually because of his public speaking on this subject and repeatedly saying the C. I. A. with flying and the airforce was debunking at the CIA's behest he ran into trouble with his university superiors and also went home and he eventually took his own life. or you can take it anymore Cody he just couldn't handle that much pressure but to me he was in on some hero. the condom report that came out in sixty seven sixty eight to debunk project blue book that was a set up wasn't sure what by a sixty seven the Air Force was ready to punch they didn't have any answer to where everything and neither could they get rid of it so they ask for for a nother committee to be set up and this was under Edward Khandan a physicist at cal I had call room sneakers have university account. he put together for other physicists and three psychologist to go over not a large number but a number of cases but and I put down a couple of quotes here that I think are worthy of mention the chief of staff in effect with another physicist named Dr Lou Robert Lowell from UC. he told university officials just as they were getting under way in the late sixty seven our study would be conducted almost exclusively by non believers who. would add an impressive body of evidence that there is no real reality to the observations and then the key he said the trick would be I think to describe it sold that to the public it would appear to be a totally objective study but to the scientific community it would grab be it would present the image of a group of non believers trying their best to be objective but having an almost zero chance of finding a softer that's not here yet the objectivity of doctor Robert Lowell. in London himself said I won't believe in outer space doctors until I see one touch one all it into a laboratory and get some competent people to go over with me someone to go to area fifty one. he also told the press early on this is in the first couple of months of the kind in committees existence it is my inclination right now to recommend that the government get out of the business my attitude right now is that there is nothing to it but I'm not supposed to reach a conclusion for another year not here in Brooklyn New York welcome to the show high Hary. earlier George good to speak with you again thank you you've got a great show you really so are you sure of program on television awhile back about UFOs and there was a gentleman who claimed that he is come across different. Ashley Graham. he frowned this piece of metal it was about a foot long. it was squared off on it the edges on the sides and everything and it had symbols on the. and he he didn't know what to make of this you know and he.

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"allen hynek" Discussed on KFI AM 640

KFI AM 640

02:01 min | 3 years ago

"allen hynek" Discussed on KFI AM 640

"Allen Hynek he did end up being a hero did me yeah. curious about Jay on and I was privileged one night in the seventies to spend an entire evening with him and regale him about couple of investigation the S. one gas right yeah. yes he was called to the scene when Michigan in nineteen sixty five had a couple at night so why old stories from south east and south Michigan around a couple of small towns dexter Michigan wasn't yeah there was the first one and then Hillsdale at Hillsdale college younger as well as a couple of university administrators they had eighty seven girls from the dorm at Hillsdale to see these lights whole variety that's why it was. marsh. and so hi Nick was called in when this was making headlines all over the papers and after two days he said of chaotic interviews he coined the unfortunate term swamp gas now I am told them that he was told to say that did you ever hear that story no I did not hear him order to say he he apparently went head to take a phone call they said the you know doctor our neck they're calling you from Washington he took a call in a room came back looked ticked off. and then announced to the media that it was swamp gas yeah. I would be the first in line to say that hi Nick was no true believer he will was to the very end the hard nosed scientist but he did go from being a Dipankar in the early fifties when he joined the airforce is because to finally as you know in.

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"allen hynek" Discussed on KGO 810

KGO 810

02:40 min | 3 years ago

"allen hynek" Discussed on KGO 810

"Allen hynek was on that panel all of the panelists are dead now when a love to have interviewed them but he this was was this called because of the u._f._o. flap over d._c. and fifty two yeah it was basically what happened in the summer of nineteen fifty two across two weekends there was a wave of u._f._o. activity not just on the east coast but actually right out of the washington day say the capitol right over the white house and there was nothing could do about it now of course if that happened today you know they'll be uproar and certainly that was up role when that happened backing fifty two but it was very much for the most part at least sort of ketone wraps the story gate break but not to the full extent that we have you know the public got to know the whole story but in the wake of the nineteen fifty two in kansas the say i which is one of a number of agencies the time looking into the fo phenomenon they stabbed this group like a think tank group called the robertson panel and the the agenda was to look into the u._f._o. subject and i mean if he posed a threat to national security now various theories would look taxi no again you know all these u._s._c. crit weapons russian sacred weapons and natural but not totally understood natural phenomena and the one of the most intriguing and relevance angles that's that's the the robertson panel looked into was the idea of how the russians could fabricate again u._f._o. events and the robertson panel became deeply worried that the russians could potentially plug imagine say emergency phone calls and i it's basically what would happen the pentagon they the lines would be jammed by the russians sort of choline and and targeting to try and find ways to club the ad waves and that would potentially allow for sort of like a snake attack you know and we would be assuming that it was a u._f._o. attack and so we wouldn't fight back but he would actually be sort of russian bombers that kind of thing hold on we're gonna hit a break i want to talk more about this robertson panel we'll get into some other issues nick redfern with us as book flying saucers from the kremlin back in.

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"allen hynek" Discussed on WHAS 840 AM

WHAS 840 AM

02:46 min | 3 years ago

"allen hynek" Discussed on WHAS 840 AM

"Put together a panel with him heading it that had a lot of j allen hynek was on that panel all of the panelists are dead now would love to have interviewed them but he this was was this called because of the u._f._o. flap over d._c. and fifty two yeah it was basically what happened in the summer of nineteen fifty two across two weekends there was a wave of u._f._o. activity not just on the east coast but actually right out of a washington d._c. right over the white house and there was nothing we could do about it now of course if that happened today you know they'll be uproar and certainly role when that happened bucking fifty two but he was very much for the most part at least sort of kept under wraps the story gate breakouts but not to the full extent where you know the public got to know the whole story but in the wake of the nineteen fifty two in kansas the ceo i which is one of a number of agencies at the time looking into the phenomenon they stabbed this group like a think tank group called the robertson panel and the the agenda was to look into the u._f._o. subject determine if he posed a threat to national security now various theories look taxi no again you know all these u._s._a. grit weapons russian sacred weapons natural but not but poorly understood natural phenomena and the one of the most intriguing and relevance angles that's that's the the robertson panel looked into was the idea of how the russians code fabricates again u._f._o. events and the robertson panel became deeply worried that the russians could potentially plug emergency emergency phone calls and i basically what would happen the pentagon the the lines would be jammed by the russians sort of choline and and talking to to try and find ways to club the ad waves and that would potentially allow for sort of like a snake attack you know and we would be combing that it was a u._f._o. attack and so we wouldn't i back but he would actually be rushing bombers that kind of thing we're gonna hit a break i want to talk more about this robertson panel we'll get into some other issues nick redfern with us his book flying saucers from the kremlin back in a moment.

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"allen hynek" Discussed on WCBM 680 AM

WCBM 680 AM

03:25 min | 3 years ago

"allen hynek" Discussed on WCBM 680 AM

"Allen hynek was on that panel all of the panelists are dead now when a love to have interviewed them but this was was this called because of the u._f._o. flap over d._c. and fifty two yeah it was basically what happened in the summer of nineteen fifty two across two weekends there was a wave of u._f._o. activity not just on the east coast but actually right out of the washington d._c. right over the white house and there was nothing we could do about it the app now of course if that happened today you know they'll be up roller and certainly though is up role when happened backing fifty two but he was very much for the most part at least of cats under wraps the story gate break out but not to the full extent where the you know the public got to know the whole story but in the wake of the nineteen fifty two in kansas the say i which is one of number of agencies at the time looking into the phenomenon they stab this group like a think tank group called the robertson panel and the the agenda was to look into the u._f._o. subject and i mean if posed a threat to national security now various theories look taxi no again you know all these u._s._a. krit weapons russian secret weapons natural but not poorly understood natural phenomena and one of the most intriguing relevance angles that's that's the the robertson panel looked into was the idea of how the russians could fabricate again u._f._o. events and the robertson panel became deeply worried that the russians could potentially plug emergency emergency phone calls and i basically what would happen the pentagon the the lines would be gem d- by the russians sort of coaling and and getting to to try and find ways to club the waves and that would potentially allow for sort of like a sneak attack you know and we would be assuming that it was a u._f._o. attack and so we wouldn't but he would actually be sort of russian bomb that kind of thing we're gonna hit a break i want to talk more about this robertson panel we'll get into some other issues nick for an firm with us his book flying saucers from the kremlin back in a moment on coast to coast always on your phone then you'll be happy to know the coast website is now optimized for mobile users just point your iphone or android browser to coast to coast a._m. dot com and enjoy baltimore schwarzer days.

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"allen hynek" Discussed on WTVN

WTVN

03:11 min | 3 years ago

"allen hynek" Discussed on WTVN

"Was wasn't overly concerned by the rail phenomenon of u._f._o.'s because that was being investigated by the f. o.'s the f._b._i. was daily can send out that's people like dumb skate sort of molding modeling the the mindsets of the general public there was a physicist by the name of howard robertson back in the fifties and the c._a._a. put together a panel with him heading it that had a lot of j. allen hynek was on that panel all of the penalty dead now would love to have interviewed them but this was was this called because of the u._f._o. flap over d._c. and fifty two yeah it was basically what happened in the summer of nineteen fifty two across two weekends there was a wave of u._f._o. activity not just on the east coast but actually right out of the washington d._c. right over the white house and there was nothing we could do about it now of course if that happened today you know they'll be uproar and certainly that was the role when happened backing fifty two but he was very much for the most part at least sort of kept under wraps the story gate break but not to the full extent where the you know the public got to know the whole story but in the wake of the nineteen fifty two in kansas the say i which is one of the number of agencies out the time looking into the phenomenon based this group like a think tank group called the robertson panel and the the agenda was to look into the u._f._o. subject determine if he posed a threat to national security now various theories would look taxi no again you know all these u._s._a. krit weapons russian sacred weapons natural but not poorly understood natural phenomena and one of the most intriguing relevance angles that's that's the the robertson panel looked into was the idea of how the russians could fabricate again u._f._o. events and the robertson panel became deeply worried that the russians could potentially klug emergency emergency phone calls and i basically what would happen the pentagon the the lines would be jammed by the russians sort of choline and and talking to to try and find ways to club the and that would potentially allow for sort of like a snake attack you know and we would be assuming that it was a u._f._o. talking so we wouldn't fight back but he would actually be sort of russian bombers that kind of thing we're gonna hit a break i wanna talk more about this robertson panel we'll get into some of the other issues nick redfern with us book flying saucers from the kremlin back in.

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"allen hynek" Discussed on Newsradio 970 WFLA

Newsradio 970 WFLA

01:59 min | 3 years ago

"allen hynek" Discussed on Newsradio 970 WFLA

"There are. Quite lewis. Ground zero. Tonight. Don Schmidt with. J Allen Hynek. Project.

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"allen hynek" Discussed on News Radio 810 WGY

News Radio 810 WGY

04:43 min | 3 years ago

"allen hynek" Discussed on News Radio 810 WGY

"J Allen Hynek serving Jones project blue book, you know, he had a shift in thinking about UFO's later on in his career. And one of the reasons why Cording to what I read in history as he said, I decided that there are a number of reasons why I decided to change my mind ham. He said one was the completely negative. An unyielding attitude of the air force everything had to have an explanation. He said I began to resent that even though I basically felt the same way because they still thought they weren't going about it in the right way. Secondly, the caliber of witnesses began to trouble be quite a few instances were reported by military pilots, for example, and I knew them to be fairly well trained. So this is when I first began to think that well, maybe there was something to all this. And you know, Don, Don Schmidt, my guest on the ground zero. I always felt the same way about Roswell. Here we have the Roswell case happening where the finest men that were basically involved with loading the bomb and dropping it on Japan were stationed and yet, you know, over the years, we've said, well, they can't tell the difference between a rocket in a in a spaceship from another planet or something. That was the thing that always bothered me about Roswell p while we say, well, it was dummies. It was this was this. And I'm thinking, well, these guys are well trained, they're highly trained their pilots, and yet pilots can't tell the difference between what is ours in what is someone else's or even what may be strange to them. And that's what always got me to. I would agree. And it's quite disconcerting when you consider that these are people who essentially make their their is to profession as far as pilots, and specifically is highly trained military officers. And specifically those rows one hundred forty seven who were in charge of the atomic bomb and the various thought that they couldn't identify an off the shelf weather balloon five year old child would have had no difficulty in identifying and same as you describe the hynick he he concluded that these people just can't all be lying. They just can't all be mis perceiving things that clearly have patterns. Clearly have similarities or describing the same type of phenomenon over and over again. And then is is Hynix was comparing as far as global reports reports from other countries, he realized that the patterns were beyond even cultural cultural barriers, especially if the people were describing exactly what they saw. And and and there are two of the scientist in him. Always you know, superseded anything that the government the military brass all was instructed him to do because he had this gnawing desire to that. He he he realized he wasn't the on the precipice as as far as something truly extraordinary right wanted to be there. When the final solution arrived that would be that would be amazing. And we're almost there. Now, one of the things they really loved is that he sent an air force official says he said, I need to remind you of something. He said less than two centuries ago, the entire province of meteorites was kept out of legitimate astronomy. Because stories are stones that fell from the sky were regarded as old wives tales. I don't think many people know this. But, you know, the scientists didn't believe in in in meteorites until eighteen oh three that is absolutely correct. And the ball lightning, for example, too. Was another phenomenon. I mean, we have a rich history of the bunkers ruling the date, and then, you know, later, you know, the phenomenon finally being acknowledged, and I certainly, and and and Ellen Hynix certainly saw you as part of that maturing of our society, and that there would come a day that they would be, you know, we always talk about this proverbial landing on the White House front lawn. But as hynick himself had acknowledged, we're we're dealing with the nature of the beast be a late night phenomenon very rural very secluded. And who are we to place ourselves? Goes in there the pilot's seat. So to speak of the US. And then, you know, dictating exactly whole we should be contacted and approached here in planet earth. Right. There are so many ways that I think people interpret or they have their perceptions of what this type of disclosure, or what confirmation would be like a little by little. We this drip, drip, drip of information. But deepen our hearts, I think a lot of us know the truth. And this is why TV shows like project blue book, and the X files and movies like close encounters of the third time,.

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"allen hynek" Discussed on KCRW

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07:29 min | 3 years ago

"allen hynek" Discussed on KCRW

"Silence. Led by Dr j Allen Hynek and US air force in the nineteen fifty premieres tomorrow at ten nine central on history. It's seven twenty two. It's morning edition from NPR news. I'm Steve Inskeep. And I'm Noel king. Good morning. Two thousand eighteen was a turbulent year both here in the US and across the world. So what's in store for two thousand nineteen a forecast for the coming year released today by the political risk consultancy? The Eurasia group says the geopolitical environment is the most dangerous it has been in decades. Our co host Rachel Martin asked its president, Ian Bremmer. What is so frightening about this particular moment? What's scary? Is it just about everything that could be trending badly in the world of geopolitics is and that's true. Both if you look internally at the increasing lack of legitimacy of political institutions and leaders across pretty much all of the world's advanced industrial democracies and at the same time, the geopolitics the relationships, whether it's US Russia US China within the Middle East those relations are all trending. Two. So your resilience your ability to respond to shocks when they occur is absolutely at the lowest level since we started the firm twenty one years ago. Yes. And yet and yet. Yes, give me the and yet and yet the global economy's doing pretty well, and the likelihood of anything actually blowing up this year is still comparatively low. If you're just taking a twelve month perspective twenty nineteen is probably gonna feel pretty good. But for you when I living in the world or raising kids were thinking about the future. This actually feels pretty scary. So that explains why a lot of these sections when talking about the rise of populism or the instability in America's political system that you begin those sections with the words, not urgent. So these are things that could get real bad. But we're not there yet. Exactly think about all of the major challenges that exist out there today, whether it's the U S China relationship or the sustainability of Europe the rise of populism and nationalism. None of these things are urging it feels like talking about climate change thirty or forty years ago. You know, where we knew science was there. But it wasn't urgent said. There was no need to respond to it that way, that's kind of the way the whole geopolitical order feels today. We're already in a trade war with China. How do you see that threat evolving in twenty nineteen even if you don't see it as necessarily urgent? How's it going to change in the next twelve months? I think that the likelihood of a trade war exploding is very low, President Trump clearly sees China and Xi Jinping the way he sees North Korea and Kim Jong on a tough nut to crack. But one that he's on top of he wants to get to a deal. So his willingness to accept something that is considerably less than his cabinet would except for example. I think is quite high. But there are so many areas where the world's two largest economies are going to be going at each other. And that's a real problem. It's a problem for the global economy over time. And it's a problem for all of those countries that aren't the US and China and have to decide how they held you balance these things how do you choose? Russia where do you rank Russia in the list of global threats? Well, Russia plays out in a few of these the big one is on the cyber side, especially because the Trump White House is now much more significantly talking about using offensive capabilities to more actively deter, and it's not gonna work, and especially with the investigations coming out where the Russians are gonna have a lot of their relations with the United States in ways that Putin doesn't like made public the potential at the Russians than us cyber to really come after the US in a way that is damaging and dangerous is going up. So I do think that Russia is one of the higher risk factors generally in the world this year. How do you perceive the political instability here in the US? I mean, we've touched on it. But when you've got a president under multiple federal investigations were expecting the special counsel, Robert Mueller's report out this year. How does this fit into a global analysis of risk? You know, after two years of President Trump, the single biggest takeaway that we should have is how strong American institutions are how little he's been able to actually break. How constrained he is how much he's kind of like a guy. I mean, he's the president. But the president's guy and he's not God. He's not Putin. He's not Xi Jinping. He's not even earned a one. But I do think that it's very clear when the investigations are coming down, and they're getting closer to Trump personally to Trump's family, and to Trump's wealth Trump's organization that Trump's modus operandi is to hit back is to s. Escalate and his willingness to use the powers of the presidency, both legal and perhaps less, so perhaps more questionably. I think that is going to play out in two thousand nineteen to a degree and the potential for that to end up in the courts and even become a constitutional crisis. We're an independent judiciary has to rule to constrain the president's asserted powers. I believe that if that does indeed happen that the president is very likely to be constrained, and the judiciary will indeed stand as a far stronger institution than an individual president. I was surprised to see where Saudi Arabia ranks in the list of threats and considering the destabilizing effect of the war in Yemen. The Saudi led and you supported were in Yemen and the rise of Mohammed bin Salman with autocratic tendencies in the Saudi resume. I I was surprised it didn't fall higher on your list of threats. It was kind of a smaller addendum. Yeah. It's a red herring. It's it's indeed where we put those things that people talk about his risk that we truly believe will not play out. And I think two reasons for that one is because Mohammed bin Salman is going nowhere the recent cabinet. Shuffle has definitely, you know, put more oversight around him. But they're also all loyalists they're close to the family there. There's not a question that Mohammed bin Salman is suddenly going to be out. Also, we are seeing progress as a ceasefire in the port of Hodeida in Yemen right now, which reduces the danger for the world's worst humanitarian crisis that deal was structured by Mohammed bin Salman in Bremmer is the president of the Eurasia group. We've been talking about two thousand nineteen report on global risk the and thanks so much. This is NPR news. And you are listening to KCRW. KCRW president Jennifer Farrell. I wanna take a moment.

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