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You Can Take the Boy Out of Kansas (but He'll Come Back to Haunt You)

Stories I Tell on Dates

51:58 min | 2 years ago

You Can Take the Boy Out of Kansas (but He'll Come Back to Haunt You)

"Today's episode starts at the mansion just any mansion the playboy mansion. What do you say? We just leave it at that. I'm Paul Shirley, and these are the stories I toll on dates. Los Angeles, a Saturday night. So the referee bounces me the ball, like referees, always. Do I take a deep breath like I always do. Of course, this is a pretty terrible coping mechanism for the chills that are running up and down my back and have left me weaken the knees, but not like s WB biscuits grant out of her which is a little surprising. I wasn't sure she was old enough to know s. w and she says swirling the purple wine in her glass and desperate for something familiar. I pick out one the hooks that holds the net to the rim because those are the same in every Jim clever. She says, she's getting it. I thought she might. She seems smarter than most of the people I might have met on a night like this and she's from zuri. She was in an issue called girls of the SEC. So she might understand the significance of mid western basketball rivalries. I tell myself I have is only for this spot because I'm trying to push from my mind one in. Important fact, if I make this free throw, I will clinch a win inside Allen Fieldhouse home to the Kansas jayhawks which almost no one does as I know all too. Well, having grown up a massive fan of those Kansas jayhawks. Stupid, Kansas fans, Missouri people in Kansas people have a good natured rivalry that wasn't always so good natured, John Brown and Quantrill raiders and all that exactly. I say I dribble twice like I've done since middle school basketball camp when they told us to shoot our free throws the same way each time. The crowd behind Maclear backboard weights ready to sway from right to left just as I used to see it do on my parents. TV the crowd does its part dick talking across. I let go of the ball while hits the front of the rim. The ball hits the back of the ramp. I look at her wanting to ask what happens next because now that I've started kind of want to tell her this story. The surprises me because for a while, this didn't seem possible, but maybe it's been long enough since I quit playing that I'm ready to tell basketball stories again or maybe it's because she caught me unawares. I didn't think I'd meet anyone. I'd want to tell any stories when I arrived at the gates to the playboy mansion brought there by famous basketball player. Scott knows because of course, Scott knows him. And of course I'm roaming Los Angeles with Scott again. Now that I've moved back here to get my writing career off the tarmac. But then she and a friend walked up and started talking to me at one thirty in the morning. They were both playmates are playmates. I should say they corrected me immediately once a playmate. Always a playmate like a president, the one from zuri, the one I'm hoping we'll ask me what happens. Next gave me a tour of the mansion grounds, then she said, we should go back to her place for a glass of wine, and that was not an invitation. A single person like me was going to turn down. The girl from the band and me, we made it all of a month in Los Angeles. The band did not survive the move, either. Okay. So did your free throw go in or not? Well, that I can't tell you yet because this isn't just a basketball story, which means we need to go back aways. So you know why she wiggles her wine glass. Need more. I nod and away we go. Okay. Let's take a quick break from the story for another story. A story about my stitch fix box, arriving Huzzah. The box was cute and easy to deal with and made me want to open it inside. We're five items of clothing too long sleeve shirts, one short sleeve shirt some socks and some shorts I was nervous because as we've discussed, I am very tall and I was right to be nervous only the shorts and the socks fit, but here's why I'm not worried, stitch fix is accounted for this. In fact, they say pretty clearly that it might take a few operations. I went online and told them what didn't work and why it was very easy. I'll drop off the return bag. They provided. I don't need to fold up the items, but I will because I'm from Kansas, and then we'll do it again. Stitch fix. Sounds like something you'd like to try to stitch fix dot com slash dates, and you'll get an extra twenty five percent off. If you keep your whole box that stitch fix dot com slash dates, maybe it's for you maybe for your next date. Maybe it's for the person you're going on the date with whatever the case is easy to sign up and there's no real risk because you only spend money if you love what you get. Okay. Let's get back to the story. Twelve. I was state versus Kansas, nine pm eastern eight PM central. I joined my first basketball team in sixth grade after twenty seconds on the court. My coach walked onto the court to call an exasperated timeout before striding to the spot on the floor where I was few to trying to figure out how to guard my opponent. He moved me bodily to the other side of the boy. No, Paul between him in the basket. After that, I pick things up pretty quickly and it wasn't long before I was in love in eighth grade. My gym teacher who would one day preside over the end of my baseball career. When I stopped a curve ball with my face asked me each day how much I'd practice the night before an hour. I'd say with pride, sometimes an hour and a half, sometimes two hours. It didn't matter to me. There was nothing I liked more than being on the gravel driveway and back with my parents house, just the ball, the basket and me. I felt like a weirdo everywhere else, but there in the driveway with my only judge the swish of the net I was free. By high school. I was harboring dreams of playing basketball in college, but not just at any college. I wanted to play at the university of Kansas once home to Wilt Chamberlain two Dean Smith and to James Naismith the inventor of basketball. It didn't hurt that. Both my parents had graduated from there for that. We lived thirty minutes from campus. Then there was that memory of that night in nineteen Eighty-eight. When Kansas won the national championship on the backs of several college kids. These names all remember forever. It was the second best night of my life right after the night in one thousand nine hundred five when Darryl motley caught the final out in right field and the Kansas City Royals won the World Series as a child. My happiness was very much tied to the performances of my favorite sports teams. My aspirations of one day playing for k. you hardly made me unique. Everyone in northeast Kansas who'd ever put his hands on a basketball had some species claim to why he would someday be a. j. Hawke. There was one difference as a junior in high school. I'd grown to six foot seven could handle myself around the basket and could make a three point shot. So my dream seemed at least reasonable for me playing at k. you wouldn't be winning a multimillion dollar Powerball jackpot. It'd be more like hitting the ten thousand dollar grand prize on one of those scratch off tickets, steal money from poor people. I spent the summer after that junior year playing more basketball than any human wasn't in the NBA tournaments on weekends, summer league games on weeknights exposure camps. During the week, I'd found an AA you basketball team, the, oh, SoHo, clean aimed Kansas pride. That was happy to have me join a front line of similar sized white guys from other small towns in the area. We were good, but not quite as good as Kansas City's AAU juggernaut the children's mercy hospital seventy Sixers home to future NBA washout Corleones young Giran, rush and future Duke star, Corey McGinty who eventually played fourteen seasons in the NBA in our defense, we weren't getting paid to play Siham. H coach, Myron, piggy would later be convicted on conspiracy charges for paying thirty five thousand dollars to high school players on the roster which helped explain why the players always had matching shoes and such good players. I hadn't been named to any of the fancy top one hundred recruiting lists populated by young, rush and McGinty. I wasn't as speedy as I would get when my body's hormonal dosage kicked up from the trickle. It was set on in my jerseys. Still hung off me like I was a scarecrow, but that summer I blossomed into something more than the dominance. Small town player. I was assumed to be in on July first recruiting call started the only problem. The voices on the other end weren't the ones I wanted to hear. My most ardent suitors were employed by the likes of North Dakota state the university of Missouri at Rawla, Colorado school of mines and northern state university, which confusingly is in South Dakota. Not a peep from Kansas hell. I didn't even hear from Kansas state and Kansas state was terrible. This was not how this was supposed to go. One of the disembodied voices coming out of the top end of the cordless phone that hung in my parents kitchen belong to Steve craftsperson, an assistant coach at the university of North Dakota. He played at North Carolina and Isla and was as he told me the only player to score and NCWA final fours with two different teams. Most of the coaches who talked to me did so as if they were reading off cue cards, like the ones I'd prepared for my first date with Kelly Stefka, but not coach k.'s. He asked predictably to be called. We had real conversations about real topics. Sports weather, girls, his wife, how he'd ended up in North Dakota and in another departure from the norm. He had a sense of humor. He sent me recruiting letters featuring cut out pictures of supermodels with dialogue bubbles that read, I hope Paul comes to North Dakota. This was more like what I thought recruitment would be like, all I needed now was for Steve craft seasons voice to be replaced by that of Matt Doherty. The. The head assistant at Kansas by the fall. The caliber of my suitors had increased slightly probably because of the natural reordering process that occurs in college basketball recruitment as it became clear that the guy above me was going to go to somewhere above them. The better schools ratcheted down their expectations. I was hearing from smaller division one schools, most of them on the east coast, and most of them have that breed of college known to be associated with smart white kids like me, the Ivy leagues the year before a done well enough on the PSAT that I'd been named a national merit finalist thusly in the eyes of Ivy league basketball coaches. I was as attractive as a cinnabon stand on cheat day. On the basketball recruitment calendar, September is home visit month. I granted as many coaches as I could the opportunity to navigate Jefferson county's gravel roads on route to the Shirley acreage of two acres. The coaches were mostly the same. The fitting coaches who were all in the places they were for about the same reason. They were honest and decent men. Both of which are characteristics generally detrimental to big time college coaching success, Dartmouth Holy Cross air force, Harvard, Missouri Rolla Washburn in the university of North Dakota. Of course, coach k. was just as great in person as he was on the phone, laughing about how his knees almost touched his chin. When he sat down in our old rocking chair, those coaches didn't tell me I'd someday play in the NBA. They didn't even say I'd play if I came to their schools. You'll have the same chances everyone they said, which was about all I could ask for. It's just I wanted to ask for it somewhere else. One day that winter while most of the coaches who were recruiting mate were focusing their attention on the teams. They already had my father said he had an idea at first, I protested. It just wasn't what people did dad, but after twenty four hours of teenage stubbornness, I came around the alternative was a home at someplace like the university of Missouri Rawla where because it was an engineering school, the male to female ratio was twelve to one. But don't worry that team's assistant coach at said, the players get all the girls I wrote down every place. I could conceivably imagine playing, maybe not Duke Kentucky or North Carolina, but north western western Kentucky and North Carolina, Charlotte, and on and on. And on. When I was done, I had a list of sixty schools using a directory dug up at the Topeka library. I found out the names of the head coach at every one of them and then I fired up. We're perfect on the Hewlett Packard that resided in my parents bedroom and turned out my letters in which I explained who I was and what I believed that inspired or the fact that I played basketball for high school in the town of seven hundred people. I was good enough to play at their respective schools. Most of the coaches didn't respond, but a few of them did at Oklahoma Kelvin Sampson wrote that he appreciated the initiative I'd taken but that he didn't have any scholarships left. Northwestern said they were full to and from. Iowa stayed in a leaning scrawl head coach, Tim Floyd said he too was sorry. But then he couldn't come up with scholarship for me. Well, Tim Floyd was writing to me. I was tearing up high school basketball courts all over northeast Kansas, fueled in no small part by all those rejections. Sometimes during my senior year, I'd only score twenty, but a lot of the time I scored thirty an accomplishment made all the more difficult. Thanks to the zones, the double teams and boxes, and ones that were engineered by opposing small town coaches by season's end average twenty five points and twelve rebounds shooting a nearly unbelievable seventy percent from field while also blocking four shots every game leading the state in both categories and we were winning. We had a coach who encouraged us to raise up and down the court. A point guard jed Traxler who transferred to our school before junior year who could throw me in alley youth and a three point shooter to take the pressure off the inside together. We took our tiny high school to the state tournament for the first time in school history. Surely. Someone would notice all of that. I thought. And so they did the university of Missouri, Kansas City you KC was interested. So was Wichita state and Drake university into Moines better, but still not the place I wanted? Sure. I'd written those letters to schools all over the country, but I hadn't given up hope on Kansas by March. Most of the high school seniors who are going to play college basketball, the following autumn had already signed their letters of intent or about to like a sophomore girl who's three months pregnant. I need to make a decision. So after we lost by seven, in the first round of the state tournament, I visited Dartmouth Harvard, the university of Vermont and the university of North Dakota at Dartmouth. I saw my first real party and I thought maybe Hanover was the right place for me, but then I came home and we figured out that my parents would have to pay fifteen thousand dollars a year for me to go to keggers with rich white people. Harvard was expensive to, of course, but it was Harvard or so said our families resident, Harvard grad, my uncle, Tom in Vermont, the coach told me he thought I could be a Rhodes scholar and at North Dakota, true to form coast k. made the competition. Look clownish, Lee, incompetent. My hotel room was filled with green and white balloons when I got to the gym on the scoreboard above a message. Read welcome Paul to the home of your future dunks. Here I was wanted. Here I would succeed here. I would probably become the team star, but at a division two school. After the visit, I told coach k. how much I appreciate it. Everything he'd done in that I'd miss him in the models. But the thing was one way or another. I was going to play division one basketball. He was disappointed. He told me, but he wasn't surprised. I might even be able to help. He said. Before taking a job at the university of North Dakota coach k. had been in assistant at Iowa State. When I told him to buzz off, he called Iowa State head coach, Tim Floyd, and told him about this kid, and no one knew about, but he thought was good enough to play in the big twelve, the sports conference that had just been formed by all the former members of the big eight and a half. The members of the southwestern conference Floyd had just given away his last scholarship. He had an idea though one of his former assistants was at southern Mississippi. Why didn't he put us in touch the next day I took a call in the high school library. It was the head coach, southern miss offering a scholarship. This was a little more like it a few days later I heard from the head coach at Davidson college in North Carolina. He was willing to fly to Kansas to watch me work out soon. After his visit, I went to Charlotte to walk the campus at Davidson, the smallest division one school in the United States, and the only one that's still did all of its students. Laundry. Then when I got back from North Carolina, two pieces of news, we're waiting after a little research. My mother had learned that it I was state status as a national merit finalist was worth a full academic scholarship. She'd gotten back in touch with the basketball office and Tim Floyd had started paying attention again if I wanted. I could come to Ames on that academic scholarship and play for the team. Technically, I would be a walk on a non athletic scholarship player, but Floyd promise not to tell anyone, but I was state would have to wait because the other piece of news was that Matt Doherty had called ROY Williams wanted me to come to Lawrence to talk. The night before the big day, I conjured various dream scenarios all of which involved roaring Allen Fieldhouse crowds Raef lafrentz than the jayhawks starting power forward high fiving the after Lael. Paul Pierce whose I practiced. I'd watched as a high school junior picking me up off the floor after I'd take an charge shock. Wban smiling at me as we both ran back on defense after I'd made a short jumper. In the morning, I put on my best Saint John's bay long-sleeve cursed the pair of Whitehead's that had made an inconvenient appearance overnight and got into the grand Voyager with my parents for the drive to Lawrence. After we found the basketball offices and after we waited the requisite fifteen minutes, we were ushered into ROY Williams plush office. His desk was a monstrosity, something out of the mediocre John Grisham novels. I was reading at the time, been the man himself appeared his voice all Honey and clover. Just like in the press conferences, I'd watched. He offered us the chairs across from his desk, my eyes wandered to the pictures of him coaching, various national teams, his arms around Jim behind Dean Smith gene Katie in then we sat. In that same accent, ROY Williams crushed my boyhood dreams. He hadn't called because he wanted me to come to Kansas. He'd called because he wanted me to go to Davidson as it turned out that random call from Davidson hadn't been all that random someone at Kansas. It called Davidson's coach about me, but that wasn't the worst of it. While I weighed what I was being told, Williams dropped the death blow. Telling me that I needed to face up to the fact that I wasn't good enough to play in the big twelve stunned I asked about Iowa State, Kansas is new, big, twelve, rival bay seem pretty interested. I said both Williams and Dougherty scoffed. You don't want to go to Iowa State, just go to Davidson. It'd be a great place for you. Were they trying to do a favor for an old friend? Were they trying to keep me out of the big twelve in case I blossomed and came back to haunt them? Or were they just trying to get me out of their office so they could get back to smoking cigars drinking port or playing cards or whatever it is that people do in a room with carpet. That's an engine a half tall. I never knew exactly. I did know that they were right about one thing. Davidson would have been a great place for me. My visit had happened on a spring weekend, so gorgeous that I almost signed up on the spot. Plus the coach at Davidson was a pulse. Shirley fan and Davidson wasn't so division. One also ran the team would eventually be known for producing NBA super duper star Steph, curry. After I staggered out of ROY Williams, his office and after my mother vowed that she'd never, again cheer for Kansas. And after I said no to Wichita state and Drake and m KC whose head coach had come to my high school with a letter of intent that he wanted me to sign on the spot. My options were set Davidson. Araya was state. Davidson seemed like the safe option. Even though it was farther away I'd be welcomed their hailed, maybe not as the future, conquering hero, but at least with open arms, Iowa State was a risk. Sure. Tim Floyd had said, no one would ever know. I was technically a walk on, but could I trust him would I really have a chance to play one late spring evening with my brothers, treating me like the rubber tires in a bumper car track. I sat down at the kitchen table and made a call him of pros and cons. Iowa State was closer Davidson was friendlier. Iowa State had an engineering program. Davidson was a better school. I'd spoken to Tim Floyd. Once I talked to the Davidson coach nearly every day, my list organized, reasonable and fittingly obsessive compulsive solved. Nothing. What did help make up my mind was the searing pain of unequivocal rejection until ROY Williams told me from behind his massive desks that I wasn't good enough to play in the big twelve. The rejections had been passive and unreturned letter a phone call that never happened. My desire for retribution had been similarly, ephemeral. I wanted to prove these people wrong, but my anger didn't have a focal point. Now, though I had something to hold onto. After I called Davidson, the coach wrote me a four page letter in which he told me how much he'd enjoyed getting to know me. It made me wonder about my decision to go to Iowa State as did the first day of pickup basketball in Ames the following autumn when future NBA first round draft, pick Kelvin. Cato spun out through down a vicious, slam dunk on top of my head as did the first weekend of official practice when we had a pair of grueling three hour sessions on Saturday and another pair on Sunday as did the first late of games during which I was mired at the end of the veg- as did laundry day. And every time I was out of clean socks. Every so often though little tendrils of life shot up practices when I'd outsmart keta with timely pump fake in early game at the university of Iowa before which coach Floyd took me aside to tell me I was going to play a lot and into which I was inserted because one of my senior teammates was ineligible. I scored a quick eight points more important though, was the feeling I got on the court. I wasn't good enough yet, but the path was getting clearer. ROY Williams was going to be wrong about meat. We made it all the way to the NCWA tournaments Sweet Sixteen my freshman year finishing with the twenty two and nine record. Thanks to five. Beloved seniors. Five beloved seniors are fans would miss the following season. My sophomore year when are twelve and eighteen record helped Dr Tim Floyd in the arms of the Chicago Bulls. This was a problem. Coach Floyd hadn't been all blessings and butter cups, but I could tell he liked me that he had plans for me one day during Christmas break. My sophomore year. He asked me to come with him to Moines after practice. He had to speak at a fundraiser. He said, when we got there, he told me I was going on stage. Are like seven hundred people out there. I said, you'll be fine. He said with the same Bri grin charmed. Most everyone he came in contact with and I was. It was a man who had confidence in me who'd said far nicer things to me than my own father. And now he was leaving in the heart of my college career, and there was no way of knowing who the athletic director would pick to replace him. But I reckon there wasn't much I could do about any of that. So that summer I went back to my parents house with myriad athletic cliches on the brain. I was a not going to let anything stop me be ready to take on the world. See going to lift harder, run faster, and work longer than anyone else. I was ridiculous. It was like I was writing slogans for those no fear shirts at once favored. But I was also serious. I knew I was close to realizing the dreams. I'd carry it around since my summer at Skinner's nursery, and I was going to do everything I could to make my dreams come true. During the day I trained at my old high school lifting weights in the fetid dungeon where at once watched their Dinsmore fracture vertebrae doing clean and jerk that night. I drove to Kansas City for summer league games in a brick of Jim near the CEO, which is a street where people are sometimes shot by the middle of the summer. The cliches were lining up. I was getting bigger, stronger better. I noticed that I was far less afraid of my opponents. Now I was starting to figure out how my body worked and my teammates on that summer league team. We're taking note often throwing the ball and telling me to go to work and take it to him. It is difficult to be at a Milan creative when you are out of Renner, then came, the news, Iowa State had hired a man named Larry you. She who'd most recently been the head coach at Utah state. My initial research turned up some data. Most of you Stacy's players at Utah state only stayed for a year or maybe two. Which did nothing to counter. What I was hearing about is too radical attitude toward coaching. Then the rumors got less room ary at the same time that I was thinking about my third year of college, my brother Dan was thinking about his first. He was headed off to play basketball at a college in Kansas called Pittsburg state, and as luck would have it. One of his new teammates had just transferred in from Utah state. I call Dan's new teammate to ask what you stay. She was like toward the end of what had already been in alarming conversation. He said, look, you seem like a decent enough guy. I'm going to tell you a no uncertain terms. You do not want to play for that man shaken. I called the man himself. When I did his wife answered. I said, your name is Stacey. You Stacey. Great start. Paul. When my new coast got on the phone, I asked him my questions. Did he know about me? It coach Floyd said anything was the starting job. I'd earned still mine. All I wanted was a little reassurance for him to tell me to calm down that he'd love the way I'd played in some game or another, but reassurance was not forthcoming. You'll have the same chances. Everyone else he said was no longer what I wanted to hear. From the outside the participants in college, basketball and football seem to have hit the jackpot, the colors, the pageantry, the fans, these things make college sports. Look like a wonderland. I had once thought this to if someone had told me in high school that I would someday get to play major college basketball, I would've asked what deal I'd have to make what the devil. However, when you're inside the machine, it's a different story. You're tired, you're overworked grown. Men are screaming at you and you realize how much money is being made in how little of it you're seeing. Sure the fans like you, but their patients is short. There were players before you. There will be players after you. Oh, and you are twenty years old with no one to guide you are to advocate on your behalf. What if I went back to Iowa State and Larry used as she didn't like how I played, what if he was already trying to find my replacement? What if he was already holding a grudge? Because I'd noticed his. Wife's rhyming name. With the wise and the what if roiling in my brain an idea popped up an imperfect solution to an imperfect problem. I called my high school coach, and I told him to get in touch with Kansas. ROY Williams would surely be excited about having me come play for him now that I'd prove my worth as a big, twelve basketball player. My coach told me he'd see what he could find out. And I went back to training and playing those games near the CEO in Kansas City getting ready for a season who's location, I didn't yet know, but whatever that was big and strong in twenty and invincible. Near the end of one of our games. I went up for a rebound it was a lot like any other rebound except that when I came down, I slipped on the Jim sweaty floor. I lost my balance and smashed my right elbow, opening it all the way to a ligament, which shone bright white, and it's little tissue taco. And that was alarming. I thought my dad agreed and we went for stitches at the hospital into PICO where my mother had once worked. The doctor on call. So I should probably have some antibiotics too. I was on a low level course for the acne that was still plaguing me in college. I asked if that was sufficient. Sure. He said three days later, my arm had swollen and was oddly hot. So I went to the offices of our favorite orthopedist where a doctor pronounced swelling was a result only of the trauma of the injury. He put me in a half caste and sent me home that night. I was sitting in our ancient rocking chair idly watching television. I'm mother came over to check on me feel okay. She asked, I shrugged and she put her hand on my forehead. I had a fever of one hundred and three. We rushed to the emergency room at the same hospital where a new doctor re-cut. The wound song stupa Fant, which is a common French phrase. I just made up to me and they couldn't use any light. Oh Cain to numb the side as it would contaminate the sample, they needed to send to the lab. By the time I was done hyperventilating from the combination of the fever and the pain that results when someone cuts into your naked flesh with the scalpel we had the verdict, a fair number of staphylococcus bacteria had invaded the Bursa in my elbow. I had what is commonly known as a staff infection. I was not. In fact, invincible. Doctors get panicky about bacterial infections. A fact with which I would become well acquainted once my brother, Dan grew up in became an infectious disease. Doctor, nurses also get pretty panicky about them effect with which I would become well acquainted right. Then my mother was never routinely sympathetic toward her sons when they were sick. This is because before her stand with the county health department, she'd worked as a nurse. I at the Veterans Administration hospital near where I was born and then at the regular hospital where I was now about to be admitted and put on IV antibiotics. Oh, you've got a cold, at least you don't have leukemia. Oh, there's a splinter in your hand. At least you have a hand. Nursing has a way of putting things in perspective. However, there's one benefit to having a nurse for a mother when something serious comes up, like a staff infection raging inside the elbow of her eldest son. She goes into action. She was on the doctor's like a drill sergeant. But not in the way that most mortals might have been, which would be to wonder why someone had accepted that. Whatever antibiotics I was on were sufficient port to ask why no one had caught the staff infection earlier that day. She was only interested in solving the problem in front of her getting me upstairs and making sure I didn't lose an arm. Meanwhile, I wasn't doing much thinking at all extreme fevers. Having that affect on people. I was mostly worried about when I would be able to close my eyes because the fever and all the pain killers they pumped into me after the scalpel work. These things had me sleepy. So it was with only partial interest in the situation that I watched. My parents closed the door to my hospital room telling me they'd be back in the morning. It is usually lazy and possibly disingenuous to skip to the next part of a story by saying. And the next thing I knew, however, in this case, it was the truth that the next thing I knew my parents were walking through the door and then they weren't walking or one of them wasn't anyway. My mom was rushing to my bedside, her eyes wide and her nostrils flared. She grabbed my arm started your antibiotics. Like I said, I wasn't using shortcut when I said the next thing I knew my mom's is got even wider and she world for the door. I can only imagine what happened at the nurses station in terms of the supernatural, like my mom's sprouting scaly wings and turning into a demon. Rightfully so someone had forgotten to start the IV antibiotics that had been deemed urgent. The night I was admitted to a hospital where in addition to having once worked, she'd given birth to all three of my brothers. I'll never know. Of course, whether I was close to losing my arm or to any of the other catastrophes that might have befallen my body of the staph infection had gone checked. I also do not know how much of the Bill from my three day stay in the hospital. My parents had to pay, but my educated guess is none of it. I do know that when I got out of the hospital, it was with a port in my arm through which I've e- antibiotics were delivered for the next two weeks during daily trips back to the hospital. Thanks to all this trauma in the fact that I couldn't work out while my body recovered from its invasion. I also lost twenty pounds. I didn't have to lose all of this while all manner of Macintoshes had probably been going on at Iowa State and at Kansas. Sometime during my recovery, a chill, flushed, my spine. I told my high school coach to call Kansas hadn't. I regret poured through me in a way that is familiar to anyone who's checked the messages they sent after at night, made hazy by drinking. My call had made a lot of sense when I'd been a hail athletic specimen that almost any college program would be happy to have it made a whole lot lessons now that I'd return to looking like a scarecrow the real problem was this one by asking my coach to call Kansas. I'd already largely committed to carrying through with going Kansas. If the new coach at Iowa State this you stay. She fellow found out I was considering leaving. Well, that's probably why someone I applied the phrase burning bridges to situations that didn't involve actual bridges. I dialed my high school coach with even more fear than when I'd called Kelly step kit for the first time coach. Yeah. Did you call Kansas? There was a pause. No, Paul didn't. It felt the little disloyal. I don't know that my si- of relief was audible. I do know that it was a conflicted sigh of relief because on the one hand, my high school coach had inadvertently saved me from a storm of confusion and he wasn't wrong. I had to be thankful for what I'd gotten so far from Iowa State, but on the other heat, sorta kinda taken my destiny in his own hands. And what I'd gotten from Iowa State, I mostly owed to the man who just left. Then there was that quote, from my brothers, new teammate, you do not want to play for that man, but I'd had enough conflict for one summer, so I reported to my now familiar campus tilling. No one had designs on being there again. In my first encounter with my new coach, the husband of Stacey, you stay. She did nothing to allay my concerns about his interpersonal skills. When I was finished telling him the story of my terrifying summer, he said, well, at least you weren't the guy. I was reading about a few days ago. He got a staph infection while sailing across the Atlantic lamb self and had to cut off his own arm. Okay. Well, you're not wrong coach, but jeez, thanks to the staff infection. Thanks to a long term strategy. You stay. She was cooking up. It was decided that I was going to spend the season as a redshirt, a player who can practice, but not play. The plan was for me to gain weight and strength. While we awaited the arrival of a couple of recruits that were going to make far better the following season, then even that plan fell apart. When I recovered from the staff infection, a sharp pain in my pelvis led to the discovery of an aversion fracture in my right issue them the bone in your pelvis that makes it look like a poorly, John Hart. My hamstring had pulled a piece of this phone away which explain the stabbing pain. Anytime I leaned over to pull on a pair of socks. This was on top of the staff infection and those on top of the fact that you stay, she had never seen me play. Faded into the background, a ghost relegated to the sidelines during practice in St. closed during games, ignored by my coaches and teammates. They were getting distance from me like I was a leper or an ex girlfriend. I couldn't blame them. I didn't know if I'd be able to play college basketball. Again, there was though one thing I could do lift weights. So each day is my teammates started practice. I reported to the weight room where I listened to Zach della Rocca rage while I took out my frustrations on the assorted weight lifting apparatus available to me when I got into college, I weighed two hundred pounds and bench, press one hundred and eighty five of them, which by the standards of college basketball would be labeled terrible. By the end of that Richard season, two hundred and thirty pounds. It could bench press three hundred and thirty, which by the standards of Larry, Stacey would be labeled as acceptable, but which by the standards of most people would be labeled as nearly superhuman. As winter turned to spring, I was cleared to practice on the court. I noticed that my newfound Braun provided me with a new set of options. If I wasn't scoring points or getting rebounds, I could keep other people from doing those things before I'd relied on my wits on the court. Now I was relying on my body and in the process becoming that, which I'd once resented the physical specimen who throws himself around the court, like he's the disk in a game of air hockey, but I told myself it would be worth it because the thing that is usually true about guys who are big and play hard. Basketball coach will find a way to get those guys on the court. Even if that coach is the sort of asshole, who when you explain your staff infection to him shrugs and tells you that at least you didn't have to cut off your arm. We started the following season my junior year on a sour note losing two of our first three games, but we found the melody after that winning twenty two of the next twenty three and rising to number fourteen in the national polls. Well, also, jostling for position atop the big twelve conference despite his prickly demeanor or perhaps because of it, you stay. She had done a masterful job of pairing income and superstar Marcus visor with Iowa's dates, newest toy, Brooklyn playground legend. Dumol Tinsley. Next up was a game in the home of the team with which we were jostling at the top of the conference table, the university of Kansas. The game was on ESPN. Part of that network's big Monday coverage. It had been a year and a half since the staph infection. And the memory of my dalliance with Kansas had been replaced by a familiar narrative. The one that featured ROY Williams telling me I would never be good enough to play in the big twelve. And yet here I was ROY doing exactly that. The week before the game. I stayed for an extra hour after each practice shooting free, throws the image of ROY Williams face floated above the basket. Somehow I was going to show him show all of them that I belong. I wasn't sure how though. Knew better than anyone how rarely Kansas lost on its home court inside cavernous Allen Fieldhouse named after legendary coach Forrest Claire thog Alan whose mentor had been the guy who invented the game. These are two of the ghosts that haunt Allen Fieldhouse. They aren't the only ones. There's Dean Smith who learned the game at fog Allen's feet before becoming a coaching legend in his own, right. There's CLYDE Lavelle lead Kansas to its first national championship in nineteen fifty two. There's any manning we'd lead Kansas to its second national championship in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight causing me to go into paroxysms of joy. Won't spotted manning at the end of an aisle in the Lawrence WalMart, we were in town to watch the Christmas vespers program put on by the university. I was nine years old. Do I asked my mother. For his autograph. Mr. manning, can I have your autograph. It was still in a cork board in my childhood bedroom as the game tipped off. Many years later, Kansas forward, Nick collison would tell me that at halftime of the game after I'd outwitted him and his teammate drew Gooden for several offense. Rebounds ROY Williams screamed at both of them. Do you knew over Meridian which he said wrong, not knowing right one Kansas is no. Well, if Shirley gets another offensive rebound in the second half, I'm going to tight in my car and after the game, I'm going to drag you there. I think I got another offensive rebound in the second half and I don't think ROY Williams tied either policy or good and do his car. He must've forgotten caught up in the excitement like everyone inside Allen Fieldhouse. He could be forgiven. The oversight our game was one of those that made kids like me fall in love with basketball and old fashioned barn burner that had all fifteen thousand eight hundred fans on their feet. For most of the game, the roar they created came at us like Wade's so loud that we had to signal each other with our hands. It was all I could do to keep from thinking. About what was happening. We were really doing it beating Kansas in the place where no one beats Kansas in I was having a lot to do with it. Coach stay. She may not have been the sort of gentle soul. I wanted him to be, but he was smart enough to take advantage of six foot nine, two hundred and thirty pounds. Human was willing to turn himself into a missile in the service of retribution. At the end of play, went our way, and then a plate went their way, and then a play went our way again. And pretty soon there wasn't much time left and the game came down to the end of the story was also the beginning of the story. Me at the free throw line in Allen Fieldhouse with a chance to seal the win for my team at Kansas and a chance to seal something like vindication for myself. I was sweating hard in my red and gold uniform, which seemed godly bright. When mixed up with Kansas is pristine home whites behind me. A giant Jayhawk was painted across the floor. The mythical bird had replaced a massive, yellow map of Kansas, the color and shape burned into my memory from those games I used to watch as a child. I was tired from all those rebounds and from the days of preparation leading up to the game, the late nights and the post practice free throw sessions. When imagined. This vary scenario visualizing ROY Williams, his face anytime I got tired or felt like quitting the crowd bought and the basket swayed from right to left now, dribble twice and I shot my free throw and the ball bounced once on the front of the rim. And once on the back. And then as with most things in life, it just happened no more preamble, no more anticipation. No more preparation. The ball fell through the net. We need just wanted Kansas. The crowd inside Allen Fieldhouse didn't roar because home crowds don't roar for the opposition. They seemed a little pissed off in fact, robbed of their chance to start the chant that brings forth ago STS raw Shah Jay. Haw my teammates skipped toward one another ready to celebrate ready to leap into waiting arms. I walked toward the Iowa State bench a few yards from ROY Williams. I'd imagine this moment ever since that visit to his office through practices through early morning. Wakeup calls through summer sessions on the track through feverish nights with IV antibiotics being dispensed into my arms, ROY Williams words bouncing through my head like one of those Super Bowls in the back of a u. haul. It wasn't just about him. Of course it was all of them. All of those division. One coaches who thought I was too skinny or too short or from two small town. This didn't make me any different from thousands or millions or billions of others before me driven by something a man said to them. But in this case it was me and now I had to decide what to do with ROY Williams. The options ran through my head like a menu. Should I shake his hand and say, nothing. Should I give him a wink in laugh? Should I flip in the bird? Then through the fans, the players, the people from ESPN his is found mine like a Kennedy bullet, didn't odd. I didn't. Wink. I didn't flip him the bird only smiled and he only looked away because I was twenty one years old and because I was more by rage than reason. It was only the greatest feeling I'd ever had. The playmate from zuri taps. The side of her empty wine glass with a blood red fingernail. She says the pretty much forgotten about almost becoming a traitor. My laugh and lean into the vinyl behind me, the ignorance of youth Irit just trying to square the circle in your head. I can feel the wrinkle in my brow. What do you mean? Like people who get divorced? I once read somewhere that usually when people split up there on okay terms. But by the end, there's a good chance. They'll hate each other because of the lawyers and stuff. No, because they need to convince themselves that they made the right decision. Our brains don't linked to be uncomfortable, so I had to decide I hated ROY Williams even though like forty, five percent. We wanted to still be playing for him exactly swirl the fuel remaining drops of blind around the crimson dot at the bottom of my glass, it'll probably only get worse want it. Way better. The story as I get older, I'll probably forget more and more about how many ways I could have ended up at Kansas, and it'll become a story about me versus big bad, ROY Williams. She says, rising out of her chair still a hell of a story, though this is what I wanted to hear all that long. Of course. We moved to her bedroom. She's got one of those memory foam mattresses and lying down as a relief after a night of standing around at the playboy mansion. We kiss a little, but nothing happens as it were. It's too late and she says, she's not that kind of girl. And as I go to sleep, I'm feeling pretty good about that because who knows it might be kind of interesting to date a former playmate, take her home to Kansas have meet my family. People won't understand because they never do, but who am I to judge her for being in playboy. I was in the NBA and people make all sorts of judgments about that. Not to mention. She's wiser than she has any right to be. As I drift off. I'm congratulating myself on the new maximum. I've just worked up. Just as you shouldn't judge a book by its cover. You shouldn't judge a playmate by her centerfold. My wake up today, daylight streaming into her bedroom. It must be ten AM I'm alone. So she's probably in the bathroom or maybe in the kitchen. I do a quick body scan to gauge how I feel, which is not nearly as bad as I thought considering that I had way more than one free drank before that bad rapper took the stage at the mansion I look around the room, live laugh. Love is on blocks on a shelf, and there's a dance like no one's watching poster and such things might turn me off if she sold insurance or top third grade. But in this case they serve as ballast kind of weighed against the playboy thing. Like all the other things I've done service counterweight against the playing in the NBA thing. I continue my survey of the room rotating my head counterclockwise asked the dresser, the mirror, another shelf, this one with candles on it, and that's when I see it above her bed, blown up to twenty four inches by thirty six inches is a picture. It's her own centerfold. I turn sharply so I can see the whole thing. I'm hoping it will at least be painful pans covering pubis, that sort of thing. It is not tasteful. One hand is on her hip, pushing her naked pelvis toward the camera, her breasts are fully exposed making the photo more National Geographic than not. But most important. It's above her bed. Hey, she says from the doorway I world from the poster. Hi, my voice has more enthusiasm than I intend because my brain is being overrun with questions. What happens when her parents come to visit when friends are over with unsuspecting gentlemen, collars like myself, she leans into the door jamb playing de and get back. I say. If you think you could take me to my car. Remember what I said about not judging girl by her centerfold. That's only true if it isn't hanging over her bed. Thanks for staying all the way to the end on a serious note. I appreciate that you took the time to listen to my voice, and I hope you'll subscribe and share with your friends, a big, thank you to lunch, break entertainment for their help in bringing this oral adventure to life because everyone should go on an adventure once in a while. Oh, by the way, that's oral with an AU, Google it. If you have to.

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01/22: Kansas' Silvio De Sousa indefinitely suspended, plus UVA's chances of missing the NCAAs and Illinois' surge back to relevance

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01/22: Kansas' Silvio De Sousa indefinitely suspended, plus UVA's chances of missing the NCAAs and Illinois' surge back to relevance

"There it's Gary Parachutes Wednesday January twenty second two thousand twenty welcome back to the CBS sports. I on cows basketball podcast where we sometimes discuss camel. Oh fighting and leaky Black Matt norlander here within. We're going to start with what else Tuesday night's brawl between Kansas and Kansas State. Ugly Scene Dangerous Situation Relation the recap. I think go something like this. So Kansas is up. Eighty fifty nine final seconds dribbling out the clock. The Sean Gordon Decides decides he wants to get this deficit inside twenty for whatever reason so he steals the ball from Silvio Sosa takes off in transition decides. He's going to be the next. George Pappas Pappas right shouts to George purpose to mom and so like full again so he chases Gordon aggressive block. Gordon's on the ground to Sosa. Walks over and stands rim. Looks like he's planning to just stand over this poor soul forever so Kansas State takes fence. There's John There's the pushing and in Kansas State said Tony Gordon runs in their pretty good makes contact with Sosa. Who falls down? Big crowd gather so to Sosa comes up swinging. And now we've got a broad Sosa was throwing punch and he picked up a stool. Didn't swing it but he held it up and looked like he might get like a wrestler wild stuff. Far as I know nobody was seriously hurt. But the whole thing was undeniably potentially dangerous. You had players fighting in the same vicinity as fans cheerleaders Disabled people who were sitting on the baseline crazy stuff. Norlander what did you make of it. What we saw last night inside Allen fieldhouse? All right well Did the emergency podcast kind of GP. That was a stream of consciousness twenty minutes or so so I hit on a lot of my thoughts in real time on that podcast. I'll be obviously a abridged here but I thought this was wild chefs. You for bringing Pappas actually mentioned engine that on the emergency pod. Because I didn't see anyone bring up the fact that this had happened to Kansas earlier. In the season with Mamas and George Pappas and that became a thing and you almost wonder if just just you know in the back of Gordon's mind if he's like I'm going to be the next door's Pappas I'm GonNa go and do this right now in really like if you're in the moment you like no. We aren't having when this done to us again. They're not having to do dunk on us in garbage time like already happened so I wonder if like you know. On some incremental molecular level that actually played played into the subconsciousness of either either player there but disowned standing over him. This is why this happens. Obviously a terrible terrible look but I I gave most of my thoughts here. I can give you more if you need them. But people have not heard from you so when this is playing out review taken aback as I was when it wasn't 'cause normally GP when this happens you get like okay. Okay guys hold on hold on and usually it's a separation. This was this was like one level within level two level three level four level five. They're actually in the bleachers there. What was your reaction immediately when it happened? And then now you've had time to process this. You obviously talked about it on. CBS Sports Network. What what are you know two or three of your biggest takeaways from from what we saw on Tuesday night so I was inside the CBS Broadcast Center? We had a triple header last night. And we have. Ah We're sitting where we sit in between halftime or postgame shows or whatever there's twelve TV's in front of us and we have volume one of them. And in this case I believe it was on our game but Villanova and but then we have everything else on and I happen to be sitting right in front of the TV where we head Kansas Kansas State on now obviously it's a it's a blowout and had been a blowout since very early in the game so you're not paying close attention to it particularly when cases just dribbling out the clock so my eyes drifted at some point but I go back up to the screen for whatever reason and I see it just starting and didn't you have that moment like is this really happening because again. We don't have the volume on that game. So it's like it's we don't don't have the addition of the announcers saying Oh my God what is happening. This is getting better. I can't hear anything because that TV's muted so it's like it takes you like maybe three seconds to realize. Wow this is live in Kansas and Kansas State are actually fighting and then of course we switched over the volume and everybody gets caught up. I will say. The Pappas thing I think is important to provide context to this for the exact reason that you said when we were in studio last night it was me Brent Stover Jamir Nelson and wally Biak and on air during one of the half times I brought up the monmouth situation as a possible. Oh I don't know contributor to what we just watched and when we went to commercial while he was like we'll cares about the way he didn't know what I was talking about and so I pulled it up and I I was like listen like this happened to them earlier in the season and I just wouldn't it wouldn't surprise me if in that moment oment dissociates like no no you. This is not. We're not allowing this to happen in our building again and while he was really I showed it to him and he goes no. You're exactly right like that is what happened because of what happened in the Mahmut game disown. That's why he ran as hard as in blocked it as aggressively aggressively as he. Did it like. You're not doing this to us again. We already had this happened once. This is not going to become a thing so it is interesting that you go back to that moment game aim and I do you find the root of what happened here. I don't know that Gordon was motivated by it but I do know that I do believe that once Gordon did what he did to Sosa was motivated by what happened previously. And that's why he ran his heart disease ever run and blocked blocked the shot as aggressive aggressively as he's ever blocked anything and then he stands over him and this is where I started to rely on wally and Jamir a little bit because they've been in these types of situations in basketball games. They both said if this happens with four minutes left seventeen minutes left at any other point in the game it does not escalate the way it escalated. That had happened at the end of the game and and close to the Kansas State bench is what caused it because if it happens in the game the assistant coaches and everybody else quickly saying they're keeping people from going on the court because you can't go on the court during the game but and I know the game wasn't technically over because the rest second back on the clock which could become problematic for everybody but in those players minds at that time the game is over. Yeah and so. That's when they start going out on the court so because it happened in the final second you got an AH right next to the Kansas state bench. While Sosa standing over Gordon you got a collection of people that just start to create a crowd as if it were a street fight instead of a basketball basketball basketball situation. And then of course Antonio Gordon a different Gordon number eleven in this case if you watch the video he flies is in there. Pretty pretty quickly and pretty strongly and his actions lead to Sosa falling down because there's a whole bunch of angles to this. I mean I learned more this morning watching different angles than I knew about last night. So that's the other thing about people who had initial reaction the different angles. You'll tell a different story and I'm not saying anybody's right or wrong or absolving anybody but the initial stuff looks like Sosa just just came out waylon and what. The additional angle show is that he got knocked down aggressively and then he got up and started swinging. So Antonio Gordon is the person person that was responsible for Sosa going down and then he comes up and start swinging in. I can't I can't excuse that it is why he will be suspended. Did I would assume for significant amount of time as we're talking right now. It's twelve eleven. Pm Eastern on January twenty. Second the suspensions and whatever they will be in whoever they will involve have not been announced yet I would imagine it gets the worst of it because I don't care what happens to you. You cannot come up throwing punches. The way he was throwing punches. You can't pick up that stool the way he picked it up even if he didn't use it he picked it up like he was about to use it. And you there are pictures of fans fans terrified of what they're suddenly in the middle of. I will say this talking to Jamir and Walli last night. They said if you get into a basketball confrontation like with rare exception. You know that nobody's throwing punches like it just doesn't happen that often. I know it has happened but it doesn't happen that often so as wally was explaining. And if a basketball player gets in your face no matter what he's saying no matter how close he is. You can reasonably assume assume he's not gonNA throw a punch so you're not prepared to throw a punch and then no punches get thrown because nobody's trying to get suspended for fifty games so that AH those. That's why those never lied to wear. This led to while Jamir boasts. Ed is that because this happened at the baseline close to fans and and then people not in uniform joined the fray like James Love the Kansas state red shirt who was in the black shirt street clothes Jamir Mirren while they both said your mind goes to a different place when you don't see basketball players in your face anymore because then it just feels like you're really in a fight with you. Don't know who these people people are. And they both believed that James Love who was in street clothes for Kansas state running out and starting to throw punches like he did made this thing even worse because they both thought it was reasonable to assume the Kansas players dissociate included donahue. That is they see a person in street. Clothes throw in Y. O. Punches and then it just escalated to where it went either way the whole thing is just really really. That's a really good point about love and and Being Street closed and yeah sure certainly on a GP on a visceral level level. If you're too Sosa not just that but then the videos you mentioned I that was actually the last one or one of them. There are a couple of that have surfaced of the the the vantage point from the Kansas student section. A little bit elevated off the floor but right you know all the twenty five thirty feet away from where this stuff originated. You really do see a a picture of back on his heels a little bit and you got a lot of guys come an atom and then he takes a stumble and they take swings and then you know pervert really really backed into a corner. He chooses to to fight instead of flight and the moment I understand that I will not absolve to Sosa picking up a stool terrible thankfully. Didn't and get worse than that for those. That are listening to this podcast. We don't know win. The suspensions and punishments are GONNA come down. We're recording this obviously Wednesday just during the lunch hour. We're here. We could have something by end of day. We might have something until Thursday but I do WANNA at least provide listeners. With with updates that Bruce Weber and bill self both spoke on the conference call for the big twelve coincidentally the big twelve conference call scheduled for today Bruce Weber said he quotes hope. It's hope resolution happen sooner. Rather rather than later he said. I'm very very sad of the event that happened last night. It's not good for K.. State knocker Kansas Naked for college basketball obviously disappointing. There's many people to blame our program. It falls back on me. Bill self also largely echoed that You know listen I speak for Kansas. We were in the wrong. I'm not saying Kansas State was innocent. It was guilty but the reviewing of this is ongoing. I would think that Kansas Kansas state will work with the big twelve. And who knows. Maybe we have a joint release lease from both those institutions and the big twelve saying here are the disciplines that we are handing out that have been agreed upon by both Kansas and Kansas State. I don't know how many games are going to get out enough Souza's GonNa get three or six or nine or the rest of the season I don't know but Antonio Gorden certainly exacerbated the issue you know there are varying levels here and then you've got the fact that players are coming off the bench immediate objections. The big picture stuff I've thought about GQ is in the off season will the big twelve and potentially other leagues look to enforce enforce even stricter rules when it comes to this kind of stuff. Because if you're if you're a conference commissioner Athletic Director College Coach what you want you want to avoid it all means possible even though this stuff is rare. Any sort sort of duplication of this. Or you know you you know next year. Two years five years down the road. You WanNa have some protocols in place where coaches now in their players. Now that no if you do this like it is serious to this level. You know this level of suspension this this and this. Oh you know I think that might be something we implemented long. After the season's over we have some some harsher stuff there but obviously a bad look for for the sport I sit on the podcast. Emergency it's not the worst thing in the world but I you know I'm surprised fights don't happen more frequently to be honest given the heat of competition but but to just shrug this off is just like okay. Some guys got into a scuffle near the end of the game. No this was actually really really close to being really really bad. You know as far as we know no one was significantly injured but that could have easily been the case and I'm not just talking about Soza holding the stool the images that have emanated from getty and other photographer site show. Frankly some pretty scary stuff like a woman On knocked to the floor right under sows as he's wielding the chair. You've got disabled people right. They've got older people clearly. They're screaming as all of this is unfolding so they were lucky. See that the tempers were able to be quelled relatively quickly but it could have been much uglier and I promise you if someone had been seriously hurt or if the chair would've it struck someone. We're having a much different conversation in the story. Would frankly be two three or four times as big as it is here today on Wednesday if dissociate wings that stool which he appeared very close to doing that's game set match for him. He would have never played for Kansas again. That he didn't do it he will still be significantly. Can't leave suspended and by the way I won't protest if they just dismiss him from the program. I'M NOT GONNA ride for Silvio Salsa but I also won't don't lose my mind if it's only you know six games nine Games ten games twelve games. Whatever like if he plays again this season I the In most other sports there are people who swing fist. We stayed in baseball all the time. We see it in hockey every night. I know this this is different because it spilled into a section that included fans and fans were at risk even if no fans were seriously hurt But I guess what I'm saying is he. He has to be disciplined significantly But it doesn't necessarily have to be the end of everything If it is you know I I understand it. But if it isn't also I'll also understand that the only thing I would say about all of this In in in perhaps just a small point that only matters to me a little bit like a pet peeve of defending national champions reigning national champion. I see a lot of people while discussing. Sir tweeting about this talking about what you have to understand. They're just kids kids kids kids and they're not kids I I can't like their their their sewage Sosa. Believe it's twenty one years old. He's an adult if you WANNA call the people who were involved in this immature adults. I'll accept that young adults. I'll all except that. But to label them as kids is to try to discount. What actually happened here? They're not kids. I have a six year old and a three year old and their kids Silvio Sosas not a kid markets Garrett is not a kit. David McCormack is not a kid. Antonio Gordon's not a kid. James Love there's not a kid. These are young adults who got involved in in really ugly and potentially dangerous situation and so if we are GONNA label it. Let's at least label it accurately. Currently I agree one thousand percent with that perish. The doesn't mean that they're are capable of making a sound decision buying their own home or for sure making the right career choice that they know they WanNa make it twenty one years old but you know right from wrong when it comes to having a heated moment like that and in getting involved in physical altercations I guess one last point because you mentioned like is there a rule. Oh you will. They enhanced roles to try to prevent similar situations and my my instinct. My initial thought to that was I don't know what rule could have prevented this. I mean there are rules against throwing punches and leaving benches and they didn't stop any of it. So what does this although I will say Major League Baseball just sent a pretty serious message about sign stealing like we learned in the past couple of weeks. If you do this thing and we catch that you do in this thing it will cost you your job. Like ten percent of Major League. Baseball managers got fired for science dealing scandal whereas the FBI investigated college basketball. Only one head coach lost his job Major League baseball scenario message to everybody. Hey you could keep doing this if you want to. But if you do it and we catch you you will lose your job and I. I would assume that that's going to change behavior in major league baseball. I just know this if I were manager and we had a sign stealing feeling scheme in place we would eliminate it because I ain't losing my job over this. It Ain't worth it and I wonder if the big twelve right here like let's say they do come come down hard into Sosa and they say you know what he's dismissed from the he's not allowed to play ever again. Then that saints sends a clear message. We don't care why you throw upon. We don't care if you're defending yourself. If somebody throws a punch at you your proper action at that point is not to throw a punch. We'll take care of that guy. He'll be gone forever if you retaliate with a punt. Up Gone Forever Punch. Throwing is not allowed in this sport. If you throw one for regardless the reason you you are done being a college basketball player. I'm not insisting they should go that far but I think if you're trying to eliminate this from a realistic possibility go that far send that message and then everybody knows I can stand over somebody. Somebody can stand over me. We can get in each other's face but if we throw a punch it's over with and then probably nobody throws punches. All right you want to get some Some real hoop stuff. Yeah I guess we'll talk basketball for a minute. The reigning national champions might really miss the NCAA tournament. We're GONNA get into that next but first check this out football season maybe just about over but fantasy football season never ends hands on the fantasy football today. PODCAST we've got three episodes every week during the offseason dynasty. Talk mock drafts guest interviews and reaction to Breaking News News Win Your League during the offseason with fantasy football today. podcast subscribe anywhere. You listen so for Jimmy. They lost earlier in the week. Fifty three fifty one at home to NC state now the cavaliers are twelve and six overall four and four in the ACC. They've lost four of their past five games. They're averaging fifty four point four points in their past five games norlander. Easy question is Virginia going to miss the two thousand twenty. NCAA tournament is that easy I'll still say no now. I put out a poll about three results ago. I actually because at that point. Virginia was obviously obviously in better standing than than it is now twelve and six. It's it's an issue but after Virginia took a loss at home in overtime to Syracuse I pulled and how many people responded more than a thousand as Virginia make the tournament and it was about two thirds sixty six or sixty seven percent said yes thirty thirty three percents at no. Think if you did that again we'd be more general public. Probably be fifty fifty right around there I'll still say. UVA IS GONNA make it somehow some way still. Oh has the number one rated defensive efficiency in college basketball this season the offense. We've already talked about it. It's horrendous it's second biggest gap between defensive rating and offense in reading an all college hoops but you lose at home to NC state. And you know you know pray for me I actually watched most of that. UVA NC state game didn't look good And now they got a row testings. Wake this Sunday. Who knows a a loss there? Then then I think I would change my answer parish but I'm GONNA say yes they're still we're GonNa make it and let's say that because I think that they're going to win two of their next three at least at wake home to Florida. Stay home to Clemson. I think you'd still be turning right there. But if they don't do it they will join two thousand twelve two thousand Thirteen Kentucky. Fourteen fifteen yukon as recent national champions who did not make the incident tournament the following year. It's not it's not common. It's not rare. It just happens every so often but this this is a result here despite all the talented lost. I don't think anyone was expecting Virginia. Eighteen Games into its season to be dancing right right on the edge of the bubble in the past thirty years. Four teams have won a national title and then missed the tournament. The next season it's Florida wins two thousand seven title. Oh Mrs Two thousand eight tournament. North Carolina Wins Two thousand nine title. Mrs Two Thousand Ten Tournament Kentucky Wins Two Thousand Twelve title. Mrs Two Thousand Thirteen Tournament Uconn on Wednesday two thousand fourteen title Mrs Two Thousand Fifteen Tournament. My answer to my own question by the way is yes I think is going to miss the instantly tournament ornament. And I'll tell you why I up. The numbers just aren't good. Fiftieth that Kim Sixty six in the net three and three in quadrant one slash quadrant two opportunities with two quadrant. Three losses says one in four in the past five games two hundred forty third offensive officials to forty three. Now we both know and honestly anybody knows that. That is a horrendous in this number. Here's what I realize last night. Tell me this surprise you. I went back through the entire palm database dates back to two thousand to and you cannot find another power conference team with a offense efficiency rating that low that made the incident tournament. Is there anyone one. Did you look at like is there even one. That's below two hundred. I didn't go to two hundred because I was doing research but I last night they were at two thirty nine now. They're at two forty three so I started at two thirty nine and I went every year and you will find like a me ex school that got an auto bid that was that bad in offensive efficiency but there is not a single power conference team that has ever made the incident play tournament. At least in the Kim Palmyra which dates back to two thousand one two thousand two season with an offensive efficiency rating that ranks this low. So if you're if you still holding onto the idea that Virginia's GonNa do this. You're you're asking the do something that's never been done at their love. You know it'll it'll be interesting I if that does happen they lose to you. NBC The comeback. They win the national championship just to an all-time year-over-year success story. That's unparalleled in the history. Sure sports really but whereas most thought they would ride in that week and you know okay maybe there are three seed maybe there are five. Maybe they're in it but they're going to get in. You know the top four top five team in the. ACC Tony Bennett. They'll it'll be good and it's just kind of Peter out if you will off the fumes of that championship season instead. This could actually extend into a bizarre third act if you will if they don't make if they don't make the tournament You know I don't think it'd be you know the worst thing or you know you know. We should totally you criticize and tear down. What Tony Bennett does it would just be idiotic but It would be intriguing to see one-seat sixteen down once when at all don't even make the tournament period become just fifteen in three decades to fail to do so but we disagree as of right now. I'll say they're going to squeak in because of that defense reserve reserve the right to change my mind with a little more data a little bit larger sample size within the next four five games but certainly I you know that would qualify to me. Is One of the ten or fifteen more intriguing. Storylines is to track as we drift into the February and we know that Virginia lost a lot they lost three. NBA players off three early entries to the NBA draft You know the top three scores so they lost a time but they were still eleven in the preseason a people that mostly and I wrote about this off season just giving the benefit of the doubt Tony Bennett but they have been one of the bigger disappointments in the country. You can sort of understand North Carolina to some degree because they lost Anthony Virginia Loss Braxton key for a bit but like you know that this is basically their team. And it's not a good team in a horrendous team on the offensive end of the court. I know you lead your court report with Camila Annoy you talk to Brad underwood about his red hot ally. Nineteen what'd you learn all right. So yeah it's up on your phone at the site. CBS SPORTS DOT COM. It's the lead item in the report. Which is actually? It's got a lot of good stuff there goodies on Marcus. Howard rutgers the unlikelihood of Vanderbilt Go for twenty five but Illinois is the lead item here Illinois wins at purdue on Tuesday and I talked with Underwood late Tuesday morning in advance of that? Even said I don't know what we're GONNA expect tonight produced awesome at home a little bit different on the road who yeah well here we have in Illinois swept purdue and his fourteen and five six and two in the League is the best big ten start for Illinois in fourteen seasons fourteen. Five record is their best record echoed through nineteen games in nearly a decade here. So what's happened and I did find this fascinating bright under it's fifty six. He's been around. I'm college basketball and basketball obviously for decades here but he got a relatively late head start in terms of getting his first head coaching job. It didn't happen until his late forties and then he was immediately incredible. Incredible Stephen F. Austin as you well know G. P. One thousand nine games in his first three seasons made the tournament although seasons and even one and two AA tournament games his eighty nine wins match Brad Stevens for the most wins in the first three seasons to start a head coaching career in men's division. One history so then he goes to Oklahoma state they were bad. There was sputtering transport immediately. Boom the best offense in America gets the unstoppably tournament played the best game of that year's tournament in my opinion against Michigan in the first round and then he's courted by Illinois. Pay a lot more money. He goes there and that's the spot where he thinks he's going to be able to thrive for ten to fifteen years and finished his career but Illinois was bumpy at best the past two seasons. And so what fifty six year old Brad Underwood did was decided to say okay. I've had the style. It's been successful for me but it's clearly not working with the personnel. That I have here. Why is that so he brings in a couple of people? One wasn't advance. Guy With the Lakers and other had done work with the Celtics brings them into say. Hey can you help me analyze my team. What are we doing wrong? And can we look at the teams that made the sweet sixteen. There are common coming trend lines with those teams. Let's look at some of the better. You know the top three or four big ten teams last season the season before. How are we missing out? What am I doing wrong? And underwood's credit he he. He just decided that my coaching philosophy. The way that I am prepping the way that I'm telling my Cisco the way that we are doing film. It's probably not going to work in the big ten and with the players that I wanNA recruit here so he blew it up. He noticed that the team's offensive rebounding was terrible. It was terrible getting to the foul line and it was terrible at actually committing fouls. He said those were some some of the biggest factors there and he tore it all down. He didn't know for sure if it was going to work and in fact GP start the season. Illinois is five and three against against division one competition and got blown out against Arizona. Lost some tough games against Miami and Maryland and even told me I did have. I had frustration. I knew I'd have patients but we're losing to Miami in Maryland. And if he believes if we played the style that I wanted to play we would have won both those games so instead of being six and three we would have been eight and one and had a better record but I think for the long term benefit of our program for this team I had to really put trust in the process and the big unknown for him was a critical year. Three was this going to work. Not just in in the big ten but on the road in the big ten and now look at them. One at Wisconsin for the first time in a decade one at purdue for the first time in a decade. There's you the second in the big ten right now sued credit to Illinois. I find it fascinating. You will not find a lot of coaches. GP In their fifties that are willing. All these coaches are trying to learn involve I get. There's a difference between that and saying my methods. I'm going to truck into the trash bin. I'M GONNA Trust a bunch of younger people to help me. I understand how we need to be more efficient and now for Illinois. It's working they're going to make the tournament pulled out in the preseason. There clearly headed that way the fans have been dying for this and I think Tuesday nights win was so huge. They Michigan game on the road. Coming up to the next two. You're still on the road so it was just good for the resume. Overall credit to them clearly have talent. There's other stuff you can read the pieces. Well but I found it fascinating what he revealed to me and hell annoys change the direction of his program. I'm always impressed by super successful people who are willing to adapt who can recognize okay. What I've done because I think it's very easy to just sort of rely on? Always done it this way. It's always works. Why wouldn't it work anymore? More when people can quickly diagnose an issue and then are willing to change it particularly at an advanced age is is pretty impressive stuff. Bob Huggins has done this multiple times. I think Mike Francesca has has done it over and over again. And so I I think that's among the smartest things people in general can do but yet college basketball coaches included like. Don't just assumed that the way you've always done something is the way to still do it or will be effective for you because the game constantly changing the players are constantly changing and it seems to that approach that willingness to adapt. It seems to be working for Brad quite clearly. There's a couple of things that didn't make the story that I did want to include in the podcast here and I bet you that will circle around to this later in the season One thing in particular was underwood said something. We've always put an emphasis on on is trying to score if we can in the first seven seconds of the shot clock now that was born out of the fact that he loved to pressure and get those turnovers. But he's backed off the pressure if you watch Illinois this this season versus last season or Stephen F. Austin if you watch watch this game to watch the game it's it's it's glaringly obvious but the other thing was Illinois terrible three point shooting team thirty point two percent on the year two hundred ninety three in the country and he said we'd be even better. Obviously if we were able to make more of our three points that I don't quite get it. I do feel coach. Say This often the music listen. I feel that we're a better three point shooting team than we've shown we were better last season. Maybe that will come around but underwood actually had an interesting little theory on the side. He said the three point line. Eh jacked up the offenses in college basketball. He thinks it's a player and a half different whereas you might have A. He said even that little that little bit of distance here is affecting if you have a pick and pop five. Maybe he's only making one or two game versus three or four. And that has an impact and coaches are more willing if you're shooting if you're if you're a stretch for and with the old line you're hitting thirty three percent with the new line you're hitting twenty seven percent coach. They'll say no we'll take your head you can shoot it. We'll we'll absolutely accept that. And he also said the floor is becoming a quagmire that his term inside the three point line of bodies just trying to figure out how to move them how to run offense there so and he had more and we might say that for peace down the road but I thought it was interesting in him talking about his team. And how how it's been able to change. The one thing was. He thought they would be better from three. And it's not so far this season and he is right across the board. The numbers are down. I mean there are fewer three point attempts to teams shooting as well. But if you wanted to big picture examination the fact that ED coaches in offenses and players are just a little bit askew with this new line the thought was an interesting insight from underwood. All right you can read that over at CBS. Sports DOT COM NORLANDER is court report. It's on his twitter feed as well. Let's get to the mid week. Mailbag what we do is take three questions. The people leave over at Apple podcasts. You go over there and five star review you can say whatever you want to say. We hope it's kind and then if you want to ask a question ask a question. I can't get to every one of them but I will read all of them and then I'll pull three out and we'll knock them out one two three so. The first question comes from Tom. Tom Says his oldest son. It's fan and his oldest son seems to be bad luck do because he was at the NCAA tournament lost few years ago to South Carolina. He was at the Stephen F.. Austin loss earlier this season and and he was at the Clemson lost last week. So Tom's question is this. Is it time for his son to stay away from Duke gains because he appears to be bad luck for the blue devils. They don't put this on A. I don't know how the sun is here but don't put it on on the On a boy or young man now if you WanNa stick with listen the history says that if you're going to root for Duke you're GONNA GONNA wind up way happier than not in fact. It's essentially Duke in Kansas. You know historically over the past twenty five thirty years are the biggest locks. Kansas has the longest consecutive streak inside the top twenty five mile and then Duke obviously with making the instability tournament. Being a one two seat almost every single season. So yeah that if he wants to be a Duke Fan don't don't persuade don't have them switch off to NC state offense he stay fans you get what I'm saying. Stay the course young man. This is basically a question about superstitions. Right Y- I understand. People have the like. I can't go to this game because Every time I do they lose. I can't watch my team because when they do or it works the other way like every time I watched they win so I got to watch this this time. I just don't believe in superstitions at all like I think the fact that Tom's oldest son was at the loss to South Carolina and the Stephen F. Austin in Los Angeles last week's loss to Clemson is a coincidence. I don't think it has anything to do with Tom. Sean I I think it's kind of from a logical perspective kind of foolish to think that you or anybody else could have an impact on the result of a game simply by being in attendance or watching or wearing a shirt or or. You're lucky socks. So I just fundamentally don't believe in superstitions at all I have zero and so I would encourage Tom Amos son. Both of them listened that I on college basketball podcast to just do away with superstitions and get to as many do games as you could possibly get to enjoy your first class program. What's next question comes from Dana? Dana asked the following following. Is there any school with a bigger discrepancy in its basketball and football program than Kansas. I would say the Kansas football basketball. That's program both looked like big strong fighters so maybe not but in terms of results of games and I think that's what Dana was referencing. I think it's probably Kansas. Your and has been consistently Arizona is another candid. It really good basketball. Not so good right now in Football Arkansas. I mean I guess maybe but Arkansas in the moment good at basketball terrible at football but they're not that good This right now. The season sure but in the moment historically it's Kansas in the moment Arizona Fits Arkansas fits rutgers I and I really I just went through like saga and football ratings and tried to find a good football teams basketball programs grams of vice versa navy. Pretty good football program not so great basketball okay and then the inverse of this I think a Two programs that have you know the tightest blend. Were own the basketball program the football program. They can't really get ahead of each other. They're pretty much equal. I think in Colorado and Minnesota Minnesota's hockey school Colorado. I don't even know so. I'm always more intrigued by the schools. That are almost like Kinda Kinda split evenly. Maybe Iowa is in that discussion as well. The ones who don't really have a leg up on either one third question comes from Sam Sam 's GP when you're in New York CBS sports network. What's the studio like? TV Wise for games. Are you in another room. Or they're just a bunch of TV's right in front of the set. All right the way it works. Is We sit into place called the bullpen. Not Actually on the set. It's twenty steps from the set that you see on television but it's like a row of tables with computers and the there's the on air people are sitting there producers or their research. The research department is is right there with this. We're all in the same room and there's twelve. TV's in that room and so we've got everything on in front of us and you know we we eat dinner and there. We Watch Games in there. We hang out in there we. We have meetings in their. We discussed we. They're different at different places. But that's that's the way it. CBS and then when we're out on set we also have something they call the tree and it's it looks like a tree and the branches would be. I believe nine different televisions divisions and they can sort of will that around so they can put it right in front of our set and then when it's time for us to go on television that can remove it from the set. Get it out of cameras view. But there's never either a moment whether we're onset all set where we don't have access to basically every game that is on television that we care about keeping our our our eyes on the down at Turner because I've been in those studios before too. They have a room where it's a bunch of TV same setup but like big recliners like there's a shack recliner and Charles Charles recliner and they really do just like lay back and watch games have a good time and then when it's time to go on set your state director will come out and say hey we're at the under under four timeout guys. I need you outset and we walk out on set but we don't sit on the set the entire night that would I guess we could do it but but we don't do it to answer your question. I know it's a it's a cool little set up there and kind of similar to the Stanford Studio. CBS Sports HQ where they got like a bullpen. Green Room. If you will with with five. TV's in there. I'll be in their Saturday again for some for some more analysis via. GPS got more work on on Wednesday night by the way play some transparency for the listeners. Doing the final segment of this podcast. That my little guy here actually being quiet little alex. Oh not anymore. Okay so this is podcasting coming from home. You WanNa be a letdown. Buddy you WANNA say hi to all the thousands of people you want to say hi no okay good times good times our options are like give back to my hotel last night at two. Am It's our options are recorded two am which is just unfair to norlander. Even though I'm wide awake he's gotta get up with his children the following morning so I can't reasonably ask him that but then it's like we didn't we don't record it to William we have to record it when On Wednesday and hope that New Orleans Children Act Act okay. Okay and I'll give him credit. He was good today. He's been he's been okay but I did have it on mute a couple times. He was making noise on the other side of the house. But now we're good. We'll be back in studio tonight Wednesday night. CBS Sports Network. We've got a saint bonaventure at Dayton. So that's OBI topping and Dayton team that I think's the real final four candidates at seven o'clock Easter followed by Creighton at depauw. And then of course we'll have a thirty minute inside college basketball show with tonight to wrap everything thing. Hopefully there will be no more fight. Shasta Devon Downey Shasta Chester South Carolina Shasta Terry. MFN led to learn L.. 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Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network: The Jim Rome Podcast (January 11, 2020)

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Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network: The Jim Rome Podcast (January 11, 2020)

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This week is no different for the first time since March madness we are going to get some college basketball in with one of my all time favorite people. Our relationship goes back to the early nineties when he was coaching in Long Beach. State and beating number one Kansas at Allen fieldhouse between stops at the the thunderdome every year in Santa Barbara. He then moved on to South Florida for seven years before getting the head Gig in Virginia Tech where he made it a habit of beating more number one teams games and being named the ACC coach of the year. He's down with his eighth year as a college hoops analyst with ESPN is also the CO host of courtside with Greenberg and dockage. DOC ID podcast. I'm protocol good friend. He is Seth Greenberg. He is my guest for Apple. Won Eleven of the Jim Rome podcast which get started right now. Seth Greenburg sat my. Oh man you've been killing it on. ESPN for several years. And we start right there. That makes me proud. That don't get me wrong seth. You're a Helluva coach. But you were destined for this sort of thing at some point when you were done. Coaching coaching. I just feel like I saw it early on when I was trying to get you into the jungle as often as I could back to our days in the big west so I'm not surprised I am proud. Bring me up today. Seth how you live in House your Connecticut lifestyle treating you to all different. It's different when you're not coaching because you know when you're coaching especially if you're in a college town like we were in Virginia Tech last place You know you go to the supermarket. You know everyone you wife knows everyone you're involved in different types of philanthropic things you're involved in you know the campus community You know you're having an impact on people's lives now basically. I think the only person I impact is is a gambler. Maybe I don't know I. It's great great. I mean they've been very very kind to me and give me a great platform and an opportunity. But you gave me my first platform We always joke about it. But the the time you are actually killing the beach in the Roach Motel and there was a fight that broke out between Santa Barbara and and Long Beach date and category burke by life member Bombay Club which is no longer I guess existing Called up you hung up on her and then about a week later I was I was in a tour stop and from that point on a great friendship developed and You know the opportunity you gave me to kind of just talk ball kind of kind of laid a platform and a lot of ways for what I'm doing now so I I really do appreciate that and Life is good. You know. I'm undefeated the food for seven years and I get the best seat in the House for the best games and It's it's pretty good not as much stress for sure set. There is so much good shit in what you just said. There's so much to unpack. There are so many. Just go back for those who don't know and I do want to talk about some of these things but back in the day like we have our big west routes right and I want to get out later on but since since we're into it I went to UC. Santa Barbara were coach at Long Beach. State remind everybody how we came together because there was a pretty fierce rivalry between Santa Barbara and Long Beach. The fact that you and I are such good friends is so unlikely given where we started. Exactly what happened. You remember how we came together. Yeah sure exactly how we came together. We were playing Santa Barbara Nickelbein To very evenly matched teams lucious Davis Theresa Jones was very good team coached by Jerry pen. He was kind of the elder statesmen. I was a young whippersnapper. We played in his what. You'd call the Roach Motel. which is the old gold before the pyramid was belt and it was an absolutely lutely brutal game? I'm talking about. It was a rock fight. We were good defensively they were good defensively baskets hard to come by and During one point of the game it got to be a little bit of ruckus. I think quite honestly Santa Barbara Guy. Hit One of my guys behind the head. One of the guys from my team came off off the bench. Sonny Alvarado both benches cleared it. Went up into the stands. Jerry PIMM standard half court. Where the towel core of course me like being an idiot that I was at that age? I'm like right in the middle of it almost got my head taken off by Louis Davis So the game adds we went on a big time Chris tower three point shot on a little roll a place in the next day. You are killing us. Killing us on radio on I think was six ninety. And you're killing us and Karen was working. My wife was working being In Orange and was was a huge fan of yours and listen. I was listening to the show. She got so fired up she called into the show under under an assumed name. You proceeded to kill Long Beach State and hang up on her. She calls me and losing her mind. Jim Rome young up. I mean I can't believe Jim. Rome hung up on me and I I called my. Sad like enrolled wisey killing us. I know is the Santa Barbara Guy. I need to get the chance to to protect my team. You invited me to a tour. Stop in Anaheim. After at that point on I was supposed to come in for one segment. I think I came in for an hour and from that point on I really appreciate your friendship and And at that that's how we became. I became kind of a regular became your College Basketball Guru for Wiler Guy. That was so great. What a great reset seth? What a great reset by you? And just for the record in terms terms of the Queen Karen if I known that it was the queen there was no way that I would've ever hung up on her assumed name right much less Wayne gene and your wife who was in fact became a member of the Bombay Sapphire Club. You mentioned that the club May or may not be any longer is a member of the club. Oh she's for sure. Remember the club. You've probably moved out to Bourbon and horses and all that stuff you have kind of moved either on or sideways. I Dunno Matt's a tough drink seth. I don't know if you've ever got to the club and Karen was a member of the club club Sapphire overtime. We'll take its toll so I didn't really move on I kind of move sideways. It kinda move laterally but I get it I get all right so you you and I. You mentioned that you don't know if your impact anybody except for the gambler you know it used to be like man. You're killing articulate our team. Are you hearing from gamblers now because the way the things are going with gambling yeah well gaming's a bigger part of what we're doing here at. ESPN like today. I'm going on our daily wager to talk about the Kentucky Georgia game and Ohio State Maryland Maryland game prior to that tip off before I do sports center before we wrap so yeah I don't hear from them. Yeah you'll get the twitter trolls that kill you whether you're right or you're wrong or you know you hate. Hey Duke or you hate north. Carolina coach beat Zillion Times okay. I've been a couple of times to have a good life You know so you know you hear you hear from people but It it. It's interesting when you coach. You really do have an impact on people's lives Positive negatively Because you know when you coach. Let's say you tell people people know you're creating all these kids the expectation that they're gonNA come in and play and have great careers and some of them don't and they're disappointed in the other end. You recruit some guys resonate. They worked their tails off their successful on the court off the court they're playing in the NBA. They're successful parents and and husbands and that's really rewarding. You don't get get that doing what I do but I tell you what I do get and you know the one thing about ESPN. Yeah they're gonNA work here. which I like the work? So that's that's good for me but everyone just wants you to have good show like you're not dealing with the ad you're not dealing with you know Booster trying to you. Know to pull the rug from underneath if you everyone there. Producer director researcher people behind the scenes. They just want you to have good segment and you know it's it's really good. The environment where people are pulling in the same direction and I. They've been so good to me. I hopefully I've been good to them and I it's been a it's been a good marriage so what I'm hearing from you set is you can trust people around you. Is that what you're saying. No doubt about it. Yeah where where like in coaching. You know you're as good as is your last game as good as your last season like. I went twenty five games the year before I got fired. I before I got fired I be I be doing Carolina and I started four freshman. My last year and You know all of a sudden we went sixteen or seventeen games. Last year started for freshman. I was too fiery. I wasn't too Far Room when one twenty four twenty five I was too fiery when you know we want sixteen or seventeen and by the way the guide. It's playing for the clippers mantras arrow. He was already committed to US my theory if any Smith was playing for us I mean that that next year I would have had four pros so but You know look I landed on my feet and our life is good. Our girls are great. They're all grown. You know getting grown up and And life goes on You know it's a life is what happens to you. It's how you deal with what happens to you and I. I was fortunate that I could land on my feet and My quality life is good. My health is good and you know if the very ripe situation showed up I might do it by the way this year. The twenty fifth. This'll make us. I suppose feel on the twenty fifth anniversary of the opening of the Pyramids January. All that is insane. That is insane it. Listen I mean Hell Hell yes you landed on your feet. You're doing great. You got a great quality. Life got a great family. We just touched on this as you just said if the right opportunity is it still in the back of your mind signed in. What would you consider the right opportunity? You know it's always Jimmy. It would be a huge change because I do have such a good life if like like ripe opportunity first so if ESPN came to me say you know what you know. Your time has come or you know. We don't think we don't see you in a long term future. 'cause I'm sixty four years old. I feel great. I'm sixty three years. I should say but I feel great. I mean I'm in great shape but you always wonder I'm in so many practices. I spent a lot of time then Davidge. It calls me to coach whisper. I spent a lot of time. Talking to coaches about their teams about dealing with adversity about dealing with issues Go around in a preseason and I visited your Guy Chris. Beard spent two days with Texas Tech in and coach veered kind of law evaluation on their staff and their team and Gave a presentation to their team. So I get a a little bit of a fixed but you know you miss competing. I you miss winning losing putting together a plan like I the plans I react to our plants. Instead of producers put together you have what you do each and every day you put together a plan and then you try to see if that plan can touch people and get people to respond to react now. I'll do that that in say a get up segment where you know something will come up. And I'm not afraid to say what I feel passionate about my opinions but you know the the opportunity to so you can put together a plan. What And Win again at the highest level. It's always in the back of your mind. It's not something that I'm running to do Because I do have a great group of people I'm working with and I've got a great place here and in terms of at ESPN. And I've got a great platform to talk about the sport that passionate schnitt about so it would have to be something really special and you know it's like anything else said you gotTa have the president. Yeah flight director and yourself with the same same mission if you don't have those three things aligned eventually it's GonNa fall apart. Yeah so I mean you you know that. That would be the only way. I would even consider considerate because you don't have those three people working in the same direction in schools like anything else. Investment equals expectation. Like you know if People WanNa win. There's gotTa there's an investment that it takes to win and all the resources around it in any business at business in life in a relationship and in doing your show every day I I mean if you don't invest in the time I've seen you working prepare. I mean people have no understanding of how much time you put into what you do to get the product you get so so there's a lot to it. Let's put it that way now appreciates the NSF. You're right and I think what you need among many other things is in. Ad Who does not say you know what you're too fiery. Sorry we're going to go in a different direction. Anyway that was then this is now. But that's still unbelievable to me. I agree with Seth. You are the coach whisper. I've always been fascinated going way back to when I started talk about the way you can break down coaches and the way they see things the way they do things the way that relate to things like crispier who you mentioned you were in Lubbock right after I was there this past summer. I'm curious what was your time like with Chris. Beard and what he makes the miraculous job. He's doing attack. He's one of the unique guys. Coaching right now He is so passionate about what he does. And the people he does with You know what Chris is you know He. He's Sabin asking that he's consumed by the process for sure. There's no doubt about that. But his messaging to his team his ability to touch his players his ability to Reach out to different guys in different ways to make sure that guys understand what's expected of them because what he's expecting them is no different than what he's expecting them himself. His his capacity to work is insane. Now he's driven to win but he's driven to impact lies like suburban sample. I did in my presentation to the team and and a powerpoint and talking about what they did and then they played Madison Square Garden for the Jimmy V.. So Chris and I had a chance to spend some Tom before practice. This crispier this. I don't know there's another guy so. He gave each of his players different assignments to racially one. One guy had a research Jimmy V. now the guy had a research what the foundation does one guy had research and present to the team. Something about nine eleven Someone else had research the history of Madison Square Garden like like his ability to Teach and let those guys have a perspective and context of what. They're doing the one where they're doing it when they're doing it and how they're doing it is phenomenal to me. I mean it absolutely is phenomenal and he can coach now. I do worry about them a little bit in that that the dude does not sleep so I I'm here for two days watching practice and then watching film with them and you know grabbing dinner. Well it's like one o'clock in the morning on the second day. He still going through practice now. He's had a kid that's basically Did A poor job being alert defensively. Probably in the first hour of the film we were watching. Probably about eight or nine times and You know he's marking each one and you you know making sure the kid has a chance to see it the next day which is great but eventually I said I said Chris about an hour left in the practice. So what are you looking for forty so I WANNA make sure we get every single time that you know morrow dozen isn't alert off the ball. I said you have ten already. I said like you got that problem. Solved like a coaching is about fixing problems right. You GotTa go and present that to him. But he's so infatuated about every single detail but he also has a tremendous indus joy of the game his team. The moment like I was in a locker with after they they'd be Louisville. I mean the joy that he had in that moment through watching his team perform and play was just phenomenal. He's just a he's a unique special guy who's got a gift. Communicate indicate and message and connect with people. I think you're right. And he's got a joy for that community and obviously they love him as you might imagine. That's one of the guys is way way way back in the day when you were. I mean you probably were still a long beach and one of the guys used to talk to me about just kind of like on the side. You'd say men me say about a guy. Tom Izzo this guy. This there is so much to like about what he does now he goes. I'm curious right now. Michigan State had that big win over rival Michigan last week. So when you watch Michigan State and you watch Tom Izzo right now. What do you see I see him? I think the most important thing I say is there's joy back in Michigan state you know with everything a caches Winston through this season losing losing his brother. The way lost his brother. Michigan State basketball is a real family. I mean you know Pe- you can't coach your team the way Tom. I'm coaches his team without really connecting with your players. Being there for your players spending time with players I mean Cassius Winston. Tom's relationship went from his freshman year to where he is now is incredible but about two and a half weeks ago at times. One of my dearest friends out I was talking about two and a half weeks ago and it just I just called to check in on them because you you could see everything that was going on and I go you doing all right he goes. I'm greatest so that that's good. I said why he said well cashes came in today and there was a smile on his face but it was real and that smile on his face permeated throughout the rest of our team. Because they said you know what we can see him with some joy so now we can get back to having joined now. Tom Could Go back to coaching his team because it was hard coaching his team after after caches brother passed because it puts everything in perspective. Obviously I mean you know so right now in this moment in time the joys back at Michigan State Thomas Weather the storm arm. He's got an incredible relationship with guys. Don't team improves more. Probably than any team in the country is she's goes along. He's big on that time between finals at the end of the first semester and the start of second semester they always get better. He is He's hard but he's like the down deep the the dude of marshmallow down. AP's the most genuine warm sensitive guy you'll ever meet. He just cares so much. He gets consumed by caring so much They're in a very good place and it's so good to see cash who I got to know really well actually the week before the tragedy I went To Lansing and spent the whole all day cash us and did a piece on him which we haven't run yet because of everything that went on and He's an incredible. He's an incredible kid and I just I I I got. I got all emotional watching him. The Michigan Game. 'cause you could see when he came off the out of the game and and gave him a hug just that that was the joy and the every the burden of everything was off his shoulder. So Thomas was a special guy. There's no one more genuine more genuine. No I get that and I agree with that. I had him on the show for the first time in quite some time and e could tell he he was happy to be back. I was happy to have that conversation sick. I had hug on today. Hug was given it to me too about like you know. Hey roaming. We haven't done this in a long time. I don't really know why that is Romi. And then when I when I mentioned Chris Weird because they're playing them this weekend and I was down there. He's like aw so curious. Romania for you in Lubbock. How do they respond to you? I like hug is the same way it was so good at Iraq said you and I. I could do this for hours with you because you are. The coach. Whisper is example. All right how about this. I spoke to mark few earlier this week. Now way way wave back in the day way back in the day when he first got that GIG and he was starting to get some attention. You said me also about mark few go. Let me tell you about this guy. People trying to set him up with some this laid-back back fly fishing guy and he is that any is that but you said to me. Let me tell you about this guy. This dude is fierce. This guy is a fierce competitor and he can coach now. Now you you call that way back then bloom ask you this. I mean I'm watching him now. If I had said you. Twenty years ago when you had those initial conversations that he would build what he is built old still be there doing it. The highest level. Would you have seen that coming. What would you have said back? Then I would have said he would be there because one thing about few is. He's comfortable in his own skin. Any knows he doesn't mess with happy. I mean I mean he that he belongs at Gonzaga. Yeah you could say. He blogs at Oregon as well. He's an Oregon Grad. But he's not OUGHTA happy place. I think which is important. He understands that and he's not messing with happy so I think that's important now in terms of this success they had. I'm not sure anyone could predict what they've been able we'll to build. I mean it's absolutely incredible. I mean they just got another recruit the top five recruit. They beat everyone in the country. He's he's a he's a great tactician he doesn't get caught up in in the minutia he he recruits guys to play for him. which is the most important thing? Don't don't get seduced by Talpet get seduced also by character and and fit He's created this pop. Lot obviously would look pipeline with Lloyd to get these kids from overseas. which is incredible but like the the one thing that hasn't changed and I said that the I remember you know he's a great guy? He has a great guy but that dude will cut your jewels off. I mean he is a fierce. I fierce fierce competitor. You know he looks like the kid next door. He might be Eddie Haskell essentially so you said back in the day essentially what you said back in the day he has llanview attention. Let me talk to you for a minute about something. 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I mean what's the first thing that pops into your mind when you see Bennett. dudes amazing I've never seen I plays is the first word Yep Now he's fiercely competitive additive. He's toughest could be. I mean yeah again another guy that don't let that look fool. You forget about the no tie and and how damn handsome the as and and You know how poised on the sideline the he's got a little Tony Dungy in them you know in terms of the fire that's burning inside of them He knows exactly clea who he is and how he wants to play now he he got away from that a little bit last year because they were more talented. But he's got a blueprint and a plan of how he wants to play another guy. It's it's not gonNA take any shortcuts but fiercely competitive terrific. Each spent a lot of time going down there and watch them practice Since I've been out of coaching and consistency consistency is a I think is a really big thing. You can't be a chameleon and connect with kids today so they gotta know who you are and who. You're going to be every single day or be or they're not going to be able to respond to you and you know I think one of his great qualities Sometimes you have to learn to lose before you learn to win and unlike the lessons you learned from losing obviously makes that journey to winning possible. So he's an amazing guy You know similar a in a lot You know deeply spiritual but you can be spiritual and be tough. You could be spiritual and be fiercely competitive you can you you know you. You don't have to Drop Fifteen F Barnes to get your message across his players know when he's disappointed in in in their effort their attitude their execution and no means no. It's like parenting. He just doesn't a different way. Some parents when the kid disappointed may scream and yell the guys just say you know what and reaction has consequence Tony Bennett. A player does not perform the way that they're expected to a consequence but he's not gonNA be too high is not going to be to allowed. There's amazing I think they are awful. Offensively this year like I mean just awful offensively and they'll figure out a way because so be good enough defensively the teams a lot like he's Washington state teams now. We're so good right right asked about one more guy said. Remember when you were talking about how everybody here just want you to have a could show and whereas you know use me when you coach you set the plan and you dictate things here. The producers have a large say things you were part of a bold prediction in segment recently. And your prediction was that bill self would leave Kansas for San Antonio and twenty twenty. Listen I know how this stuff works right. I mean you're going to say what you mean. And you'll meanwhile in which you say. But let's remember quote the bold prediction segment and the producers wanted a bold prediction. So when you said that we kinda playing along long and giving them what they wanted or could you see something like that really happening. At some point I bet bill took a little swing at me. His press conference. And that's fine and it is a bold prediction. So I you know I mean if you're GonNa take a bold prediction so let me. I couldn't happen. I don't know let me. FBI Is Investigating Kansas Basketball Program. All of a sudden Kansas goes on three years probation. All right bell south. That gets a show. 'cause you think bell south is and he's no longer employed Kansas. He's a heck of a coach. I mean not a good coach. He's a great coach. He's creative he connects with people. He's a great communicator. He's tough on his players but he says it in a good way. He's a guy that could go from college the NBA. I think seamlessly You pop can't coach forever kick trailer. That's just the way it is. They're going to have to find a replacement. Is there a natural replacement for pop. No there isn't I don't think there's a natural place but on his bench wjr bell. South has a relationship with our Buford. I mean so if you put a bunch of things to get you said could this happen. Well it happened. I don't know but could it happen. Sure could happen and bilk the NEIDL wanted. I understand understand it and I respect that and you know the only thing that ticked me off. You gave this line because the media is just try and create a firestorm. Bill Koch Thirty six years and I'm a coach that works at the media. I'm not immediate guy that's looking for another. You know twitter follower really. Give me a break So you know just relax your head coach but the reality is this you got a letter of inquiry from the NCWA Your Institution was in the FBI investigation. That's a factor whether they're innocent or guilty. I don't know I only bill knows knows and you know but that's fat. So is bill going to retire if something goes down. And he's held accountable. No He's going to continue to coach. 'cause the guy's a great coach so why couldn't happen. I also said that that that that the MAS- would get to the finals and western conference playoffs. 'CAUSE I said three years ago that Luca Danni church was absolutely absolutely a killer people. Listen to me then they listen to me. Now that's true. I don't think that's so farfetched what you said. I couldn't help but chuckle. Hey Seth you mean you don't say Shit Shit to add three extra twitter followers. That's not why I say you know like I I i. It's funny a long time ago. I two years ago someone came to me said you know you WANNA buy some twitter to follow as I said you really freaked. I give a damn who's follow him in follow me. I said I couldn't give a rat's rear end. I mean my things. I'm going to say what I'm going to say I'm I'm going to have an opinion. It's going to be based on obviously a little bit of inside. I've done this for a while. You know it's like well I'm not you. You can say what you want. I'm not immediate member. I know so how to this stuff. Works real deal is now look. I hope he's at Kansas dressed up as life. That's what he wants to be. But I mean it is what it is so no. I'm not going to say something to say something. I'm GonNa say something that the producer asks me and he's trying to build up a segment. I'll try to give them something that you know. He thinks this is is worthwhile. So you know that's where it is. Also I also said that sixers would lose in the first round and you know they might because until I I can see all the watch the video I want events making jumpers in the summer until he makes one of the game. I he's not jump shooter magic because magic you pull up when people played soft and shoot that little push jumper and he could make. This dude. Won't even shoot it. You won't even shoot a fifteen foot for says. What do you think about that? The sixers there's and you pay close attention to the NBA game. Obviously so what do you think they have that championship. DNA Do you think they can win. A title with Ben Simmons you know. Here's my thing that they had a great win against the box terrific when you got validate winds. So they had a great win gets bucks and then he dropped four in a row like in the playoffs. You GotTa Win. You gotta be up to be ready to play each and every night and I know the playoffs different and I know it's an eighty two game schedule and I know that it it's easier said than done that you know all the burden on these guys bodies and everything. But here's the deal if you're the real deal then what you're ready to play this game and we did our podcast cash the other day with Jeff Van Gundy and I asked him. I said what's really the good teams and really good teams. He said really good teams do it every night. So Are there could they be a really good team yet. It could be I I love the addition Al Horford. I think Al Horford is a frontcourt version of JJ redick for their team A Guy Hi that brings consistency and toughness in pro. But until Ben Simmons shows and and look he's fantastic talent but can you win in the playoffs with a guy. Who can't you just like an answer? Aa Tournament I'm seeing teams. That are shooting thirty percent from the three point line and forty percent from the two that are in the top ten. Can you get to the final before shooting thirty and forty. I don't think so I don't think winning NBA Championship with a guy. That's thirty five minutes a game with the ball in his hand that much. That legitimately is reluctant to shoot a fifteen report. Seth speaking of the sixers and I picked my spots here. I really appreciate you and your time at the sixers. Obviously you're older brother Brad. Back in the day was the sixers and I don't know where the time goes but he was the guy responsible for drafting a Alan Iverson number one overall. How did he end a I do? What was that that time like for him? It was hard because hey I was a load but he loved a in terms of his fierce competitive spirit. Like Allen was mature He was Didn't understand at that. Point had to be a pro except when the lights went on like with light went on that dude was we he would absolutely absolutely take your heart out. I mean he was competitive. Like you said it was most compatibilities ever been around. WHO's probably find more his rookie year than any player in the history of the NBA? Their rookie year does does he didn't get it he just didn't get it You know it was all new to them They didn't have a very strong locker room. They didn't have anyone coaching locker room. They you know they were a franchising transition and. It was hard. But he you know it's funny I Alan and when Alan went into the hall of fame and first thing Game up I introduced myself. He Goes I love your brother so I I appreciate that He. He felt that way because Brad was pretty tough on but That was a short stay. You know would sectors with a pad coachee. So that wasn't exactly the Best Allen Iverson I've got. That dude competed who that must be. Nice for you to hear though and Brad here something. You're not sat have not talked a lot about is that you're a fairly Dickinson alumnus. Now one of my favorite guys in the game right now is wild wild man Craig. horrendo- who's the coach there. What do you think of him as a personality and character and the job that he's doing it your Alma Mater Harvard? The hackensack man come on now. He's a character all characters. Actually I'm doing fairleigh. Dickinson Saint Francis Brooklyn game. Next week Francis Loretto game next week to help On Espn you just as a favor and to do a little fundraiser for the university He's a piece of work. I mean is what it is. I mean he's a really good coach but I mean like I I like I joked one of his games. He spent half the time on the bench half a third time standing and the third time talking to the people in the third row. I mean the craziest thing you've ever seen right but they're struggling right now. They lost some really good players but he's a good coach and he's a good fit and You know his podcast is a class second like the greatest thing. He's he'll call me up for phone numbers and then all right. I'll get the guy to do podcast. And then he'll that what she has the number he suffocates those dudes. Thanks J. Wilson a Septum me a favor tell got loose number right right get along good people. And he's been really good for the school and out Outta school still in transition by that he's got a great job great job and a good people settler quickly one last one last quick stroll down memory lane. Now you add some huge food wins. You knocked off multiple number ones in your multiple stops. I will never forget I will never forget nineteen ninety-three and seeing scroll across ESPN. When Long Beach State when into Allen fieldhouse and took down number one Kansas absolutely shocked them? Sixty four forty nine. That was team coach. Coach Roy Williams. It was his worst loss as a head coach at that time. Take me back. What was that night like in? What was it like walking off court after that win from Long Beach Day? Say Well you know the story and that we played. We Played Pacific on a Thursday Took supposed to take the red eye That night out to Play Vcu to play a Saturday afternoon game and our flight was delayed delayed delayed we get to VCU literally like at. I don't know nine o'clock in the morning on Saturday And we play the game and we absolutely get beat by one hundred Sonny Smith. Actually I was losing my mind. We it was just awful. said he walked out to my end of the bench and goes I was the they actually dunked the Ball Kendrick Warren Dunk. The ball pulled himself. Ram held onto the rim. No technical there's about a minute last. I'm going crazy. We're losing by one hundred. Sonny walks from his bench only done in my mansion. Goes sad now. You don't WanNa get thrown out you get your bus world right now. Let's get this thing. You could do okay so we lose that game we go. We go to Lawrence on on on that Sunday. I practiced the crap out of our guys. I mean I read lucious Harris and Bryon Russell and Chris Tower Geoffroy drive we have good team and And we came up with a plan of basically spreading them out making defend We were very very good defensively and the the great story that thing so We're up we're up like sixteen in first-half but we come out making shots defending they can't score so our our trainer later at the time is GonNa del Dan Bailey. A great legendary guy that has since passed and second-half begins and sixteen minute mark. We're up about fourteen or sixteen and and Come out of time at the House. He was Kinda like my my iota. Sabbah's way thank goes weren't fog Allen fieldhouse a lot of time left next bills appreciate the CAPOS. They come back the next time out twelve time. We're up like eighteen now so And I go bells. What do you think he goes You know they did. You get stops. You know this place. They're always they always make runs the house. Thank you appreciate it. Keep working eight minutes time at the same thing. What we're up a pretty decent amount of number he goes he goes he goes? We've got to win this four minutes like perishable. WE'RE NOT GONNA win this game. And I looked at him with. He's like sixteen points bells so finally Italy last time out. It's four minutes left. I don't even ask him. I said screw bally's I'm not I'm not even asking we're up like fifteen points. I'm kneeling down in front of the TV on the shoulders he goes you relaxed relaxing bag. Great at But it was. It was funny because before the game and they have you ever been the fog Allen fieldhouse. It's an incredible scene. I'm in the hallway of the tunnel looking in. And they're doing they're they're you know. They're older gyrations they do before the game. It's like a theater show. It's unbelievable and you're like like I just hope we don't get our ass kicked. I mean we had a good team. We had a good plan. I think our kids were competitive. Where are we ready to go but That was before cell phones so I mean first of all walking off the court like it was just an incredible feeling. I still remember looking up after I did the radio. Show look it up. There were like three or four Kansas people in like the bleachers with their hands in her head like like Oh crap. How did this happen? And I was thinking the same thing right but It was great. Went back to the hotel deal. How home in Lawrence and You know my phone started blowing up with different requests rest and It was great feeling You know again. You set the standard you know. The Standard Standardi- team ended up going to the end tournament. A team was really a good basketball all team with incredible guys on that team and I. It was a great feeling and fortunately I was able to do that to Carolina and Duke. And you know three other times when you know when you win a game they might that you go into someone's arena and and and when when no one expects you to win you know that's what I was talking about. Having a plan and seeing them you can execute that plan. There's there's nothing better than that feeling And you're the big thing is something that we can ever take away from. You live long life long so we started this or its end it like this. We start off by talking talking about that time you guys started that war at the Roach Motel by hitting one of our guys in the back of the head. It was such a great time. Set the big West back then like the the fact that we are part of big Monday the fact that Long Beach. UCSB NEW MEXICO STATE EVEN Utah State. Pacific I'm this was a pretty good conference that was always unversed sending multiple teams of the NCAA tournament. I talked about what it was like to go into your building. The thunderdome man when that plays rocked it was something else. What do you remember about bringing your squats into the Thunderdome it? UCSB back in the day. What was that like? Oh it was unbelievable. I mean it was an absolute rock. That thing was so loud. You know like we would roach. That was a tin box. Let's face it. I mean like you know. That's all that was that was basically a warehouse that they put a court down the middle of come on but It's true I mean that place got so loud and I know the one thing I always wished I did you after you guys would always scored the first basket they tortillas out right. I always wanted to one day. Just pick a couple of TORTILLA and eat it. It was a great rivalry. I mean they had good players. We had good players. Both teams played really really hard You Know Jerry and I got along great. I mean But then you know they were great rivalries in that League and we had a great rivalry with DIMICCO state You know obviously. They was standard standard. But everyone else had a pretty level playing field so the games were really really competitive and You know playing playing that Santa Barbara was always. The games weren't games they were events. And that's the sad thing about the big west. Is that like you know we pack the pyramid. Santa Barbara packed. You know That thunderdome you know their New Mexico State had great crowds Utah State. The spectrum was rocking And I'm not sure they have it anymore and it's too bad because there's you know the potential and I have good basketball. League is really good and then finally you talk about packing arenas about the Thomas and mack. I mean eighteen thousand thousand. I'll never forget what it was like when UNLV was competing for and winning the National Championship. repping that conference. I mean it was insane like grandma greg I Anthony Stacey Augmon these guys would roll into the Thunderdome and it was like the Lakers had come on campus. It was amazing. What was it like when they rolled into your the Roach Motel did use to playing in what those days? The that year that we had the fight we also played They I mean the old Roach Motel. This was after stacy. Augmon 'cause we played at at the sports arena when when that team was there but when Rowley took over we moved two games into gold mine. Yeah and I still remember J. O.. Writer and we had. This is Harrison and Brian Russell and it was a really big game and sitting behind my back bench was Jerry West and about eight thousand. NBA executives in all. What seventeen hundred square? Seven hundred people that were at the game and and we win the game. We hold are the four points. His lowest point as college player. We doubled them on every catch. We denied him the ball. All that we win the game and the greatest story about that game so after game you shaking hands and you know in a line and and I knew. Jr Some he he was friends with some of the guys that occurred and he goes coach why. UW every time. I caught the ball sitting right behind. You cared about. was that the logo sit behind has mentioned he couldn't get a shot up awesome that head is so jr right or is that guy. I miss that was great but the League League was great and talk. You know talk basically set the standard. That's two people understand park basically said if you WANNA compete. You've got to change the way you do business. And you've got you've got to invest in your programs and And he helped all those. That's perfect in that moment. In time. Raised their profile. Seth Greenberg Seth you and I. I could do this for days and weeks Brian. I'm so glad That we got caught up and listen. 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 K-State/Kansas fight that will surely lead to significant suspensions and fallout  Emergency Podcast (1.21)

CBS Sports Eye On College Basketball Podcast

00:00 sec | 10 months ago

K-State/Kansas fight that will surely lead to significant suspensions and fallout Emergency Podcast (1.21)

"On Tuesday night college basketball had its most notorious moment in fighting since two thousand eleven when Cincinnati and Xavier had a brawl during the crosstown. Shootout staffer emergency podcasts. Let's do it. Welcome back into the eye on college basketball podcast. This is an emergency episode being taped late. Tuesday night I'm your host Matt norlander. GP Gary Are- is in the studio for CBS. Sports Network. Data triple headed on Tuesday night and then they've got inside college basketball after that. He's not getting back to his room to close to two. Am Eastern time. I'm going to try and get to bed before that and then we'll wake up early. You will have another usual as scheduled Wednesday episode waiting for you in the feed later later on. But let's get to the big news on Tuesday. And that was the ugly scene there in Allen Fieldhouse as many of you listening have obviously seen in in fact. I guess if you're listening to an emergency podcast you have every single person listening to this. At least seen the highlight once. But you have Silvio Desouza. Kansas bringing the pulp the floor and just time is about to expire. It's garbage times garbage. Time and Doin Gordon goes for a steel tries to get a layup. Dissociate gets back. He swats the ball. He Towers over Gordon. who was on his back at that point and then you have Cartier Jarrah of Kansas state coming over getting physical and then things get completely out of hand and the situation in flames in an instant? Where you have disowned Kansas state players off the bench Kansas players fleeing from the other side of the floor and the fight and yes. This was a fight multiple punches thrown spills bills over into the stands and we are fortunate that no one so far as we know as recording this podcast in the eleven o'clock eastern hour here on Tuesday night was injured. That was there watching the game but obviously a bad look for college basketball And I'm already annoyed by the takes about the outrage police. The people that have immense outrage are just as bad as those who wanna get on their high horse and say that this is just nothing we can move on with our lives. No there was a hideous look for college basketball. You can't have players spilling billing into the stands exchanging blows on both sides. desouza picks up a stool. It's not perfectly clear whether it Kansas Assistant Jaren soured or anyone else was able to get the stool out of his hand or if he dropped it of his own volition but obviously desouza most notably and notoriously is going to get hit hit with a significant suspension. Will wait to see. If that is decided on Wednesday the next steps will take from here. Is Kansas State and Kansas will decide which players are going to get suspended and for how long the big twelve also going to review this video both of the officiating level and obviously at the League office level and we wait to see who will get suspended and for how long the suspension will be the most similar recent incident that you would compare this to would not be the Grayson Allen stuff for as much for all the headlines and the melodrama that came with the Grayson Allen experience at Duke it was always and by the way those things of course were fifty times larger fifty thousand times larger than this us. But it was always usually Grayson Allen in one of the guy this is a full fledged brawl and Marcus Smart. At Oklahoma state. He received three games for going after fan in the stands after the Fan said a racial slur to him. That was a one player incident last team on team thing like this You had a bad situation in the whack a few years back between Utah Valley and New Mexico Toco state. I would argue. That was really one of the worst ones ever now. Because it's a whack game and that was in twenty fourteen It's some it's gotten lost to the ages there because it's not big schools. That was bad one and then the one that everyone's talking about obviously this compares to is the crosstown shootout the ZIP up game same. Cincinnati and Xavier that caused that rivalry to be taken off of home court venues in onto a neutral site for a couple of years but for comparison sake as we wait to learn on Wednesday Thursday who will be suspended for. How long win? The suspensions came down with the crosstown shootout. You had. Six Games was handed out to Octavius. LLC Gates Does Wells and Landen Amos Xavier got four games mark. Lyons at two to Holloway. Had One Couple of other sensitive players. Also receive suspensions. So we'll wait and see Takes before the suspensions come down then they will come down and then people will say this is is enough this is not enough etcetera etcetera. This is you know a terrible look for college basketball. A A weird night by the way in college basketball just in that Walter McCarty was officially fired at Evansville. And then that's just completely toddler gliders hired in his place so that was the first thing and then Illinois wins at purdue and continues it's terrific season but Illinois had a player who came off the bench Alan Griffin who went Christian Leitner in that game was collected and then the Kansas can't state stuff just storms in you know in just overtakes everything there so from what we saw you know. What do you say but obviously college basketball doesn't need? This remotely is a fight in college basketball game the worst thing in the world. Of course it's not the worst thing in the world but you can't condone this. You can't say this is good for the sport you don't want any kind of physical altercation that is just carrying over into the stands. Like this I do think there's a big difference between fisticuffs between two dudes or four dudes and it's in the paint on the court and when you actually get into where you know students or other people are sitting her bill self say afterward that this was actually going going on near where some of the disability seeing was so we are fortunate again as far as we know as a recording of this podcast that no one was seriously hurt or injured. Obviously the players players afterward did not speak to the media. That's the that's the right call. I do have some quotes from both coaches and what they said to the media afterward Bill Self said quote. There was a role that was played by our players. I gotTa Watch the tape and see all angles. But I know we were in the wrong. I'm not saying both parties weren't in the wrong but I know we were in the wrong end quote another one he says I was shaking hands with Bruce Meeting Bruce Weber. I didn't even know it was a male until three or four seconds after everybody was out there that was an embarrassment on our part for the role that we played in end quote another one. My initial thoughts are that without knowing everything that went down it was obvious we played a role in what transpired and there will be penalties for them. And then the fourth bill quote was it happened in the handicapped seating. If you're GONNA do something at least take it on the court. It's ridiculous that they would go into the stands. I haven't heard if anybody injured. But you're asking the wrong person. Now as for Bruce Weber he said he did not see most of it because of the handshake with self and so you just whereas the video showing the the the assistance bill self in the thick of it that was not the case as with Weber. Even though the Kansas State bench was closer that side. That's because whoever was walking in the opposite direction whereas bill was walking toward Weber toward the Kansas state side. Here's what ever said. I have no idea I didn't see anything. I'm disappointed at ended that way credit to them that kicked our butt in so many ways and quote. I he's obviously not being facetious. facetious there he's talking about the game. Play another weber quote. I was going to shake hands. It's probably my fault. I had told them not to press. I had told them not to fell the kids. A young guys. They WANNA play hard. They were disappointed frustrated. But you've got to handle it right and that's pretty much all. He said in regard to the incident overall. Now one thing and maybe this'll be something that's surfaces when we get to Wednesday in the morning and the afternoon but one thing I found interesting in the aftermath of all of. This is what I haven't seen mentioned and I'm not saying that this would have happened if the prior incident hadn't happened but we we do have another situation at Kansas this season. That could have prompted something like this. Do you remember her early. In the season in November we talked about it on the PODCAST monness. George Pappas gets the garbage time steele gets the donkeys. He's showing off and it becomes like a funny thing and say it's classless and all that but it became like it became a thing he became a AH something of a of a college basketball mythical mid major hero but because of that like does that have any sort of carryover three over effect to Kansas State. All these weeks to months removed saying. Oh we're just GONNA play to the end. Those guys did it. We're GONNA do it. Do on Gordon goes for the steel deal. It leads to this and on some level is Silvio Dassault's Saint This ain't happening again. We already had one team. Try and do this to us to the end of garbage time. This will not happen again. I don't think it's a non factor entirely there but for an Selvey said after he's got to be way more mature than that couldn't believe in fact I was watching up in my office. I rewound I could not believe that I saw a basketball player. Pick up a stool and now thank goodness. It didn't get worse than that because if it did and you have a player forcibly bringing contact any anybody else with a stool stool then. That's instantly one of the most infamous highlights in the sports history. I mean It's not quite on the level of you know Rudy t getting punched in the seventies unease in the NBA but if the damage is bad enough yet it could be now. We were fortunate not to have that in some amazing images. I posted some of them to my twitter with her feet and you can see them obviously in a number of stories that have been published but for the photographers who are set up in that platoon if you will on the court. They're right there so so this all breaks out and some of the images are actually fairly. Surreal you get these powerful shots of fans young and old right there are in the thick of it as this is all unfolding in in guys are shoving and punching just an aggressive rough rough seen now where we gonNA go here with. Suspensions Gamed College Game Day is going Kansas this weekend for the Tennessee Kansas game. Oh by the way So so there. There are many ways that this will actually spread out and have an effect on Kansas more than Kansas City. Kansas State is not a good team this season. You know you could have a situation where it's a suspension other place there were there. were players in street clothes. How do you even go about disciplining them but for K.? State not a good look whatsoever. I mean both both both schools and their respective players are at fault here I understand the instinct to jump off the bench and get involved this. This this very thing is why the NBA. All of those years ago said you leave the bench year done technical immediately. And that's what happened happened here with you know once it had to the video sort it out and that was another thing because because the AA instituted a new new rule this season that is directly tied to gambling and point spreads if you have an end game scenario that calls for any kind of technical foul were free throws need to be taken. It doesn't matter if the guys have gotten on the bus you have to finish the game technically Because because he incidentally is recognized that with gambling legalized per federal enactment in federal law. That is why that happened happened and I get you know Kansas fans booing. Everyone saying why do we need to do is. That's why they did it You know it comes obviously a brutal moment for college basketball but that's really. Why did that so anyway? I am digressing a bit here. I do miss my buddy. GP We will pod obviously again on this on Wednesday but want to give you something some some sort of reaction here in the aftermath of this for Kansas State. Eight and ten team won five in the League. It's not going to the instable tournament down year. forgettable year is what it it is for Kansas Though fifteen three squad. Five and one in the league. It's been rating this week as the best team in college basketball per Ken Palm Tour Vic domestic composite said most predictive metrics actually have Ku as the number one team in the sport But how would that change going forward depending on who gets suspended and for for how long now you'll notice as I've been talking to this podcast names. I haven't been saying Devante Dotson. Yoke as Buki. Those are the two most important players players and they were not at the center of this. Now there are a bunch of players involved but we wait and see how many Kansas players get suspended for how long and then going forward depending on the length of the suspension and now Kansas performs how that actually might affect where they stand in the overall hierarchy of the instantly tournament in Selection Committee. And how how things get sorted out from there. I would expect bill self to be fairly aggressive in his discipline here. one because the school whether it wants to work quietly behind the scenes that big twelve or not it like this becomes the biggest story. Sorry in American sports on Tuesday night because of the nature of it and so everyone will wait for the discipline. That comes down there after and I would think that Kansas is going to you. Really try and be strong with punishment here Because it was too sosa throwing punches he was not the only one I did. See One video you late Tuesday night with the vantage point of the Kansas student section. So this would've been about thirty feet back from the basket stanchion when the fight begins to break out in that from that perspective you see two Sosa Kinda seal. The bit as the Kansas state players aggressively attacked him after he you know showed up the opponents by standing over him and from there. Yeah he goes fight or flight and he fights and he looks to defend himself and then things get really out of out of hand A. and within a matter of like a second and a half from that but you know even since the highlight showed you know alternate angles from social media from fans understands actually provide an even uglier view of of the fight of the Donnybrook as it as it went as it got going to Soza. What a bizarre path here because remember it was last season because to SOS it was at he was one of the? You know one of the characters if you will that was brought in to the federal trial because it was his guardian. That was trying to get him to go to Maryland and get under armor to to pay for that arrangement. And then you know according to federal wiretaps it's the it's The Guardian and and The A ah you know turn it Curtis towns on the staff saying you gotta get him out from underneath that you gotta pay him to get him to Kansas. And then Soza gets a two year suspension attention from the instable a now he. He wins on appeal. He did not play at all last season but he's never really become the player they hoped he would be and now here he finds himself itself. You know in the middle of just just a bad look fight and it wouldn't stunned me if he was sat for the rest of the season by Kansas. I don't know if they'll go that far but it wouldn't. It wouldn't shock me and the other thing is this whole deal happens because because it makes the PL- like he's in every you know A. K.. State has every right if they want to steal balls to the ball. You still playing like whatever you know. And then dissociate makes a he makes offensive play. He gets the play. But then you gotTa stop you gotTa step over you gotTa you know just Lord above the guy when the game has done your Kansas. The program just walked on K.. State again in your house when you stand over a dude like that. That's when things immediately get Harry very easy medium you know. It's it's y when when guys do that if official catches it and it's it's with intent and it's for a half second second. It's an automatic T in football. It's an automatic unsportsmanlike conduct. There you can't have that level of taunting. I will say though that a part of me is surprise and you know appreciative and relieved if you will that we don't get this more often. You know you see sports. It's fights break out here and there you know and you'll hear people discuss like well. Why is it you know? It's it's cheered in baseball. It's part of hockey not even in football to a certain degree you know. Physical violence hand to hand. Combat is built into the fabric of the game you know. Why is it? So different with basketball One I think one of the biggest reasons. Why is you actually have fans within in feet of the players and whereas that's not the case in football hockey you're behind glass baseball? You're way off. Basketball is the only one of the four major American sports. Where if you have a fight? Like this breakout innocent bystanders. Legitimately getting hurt and I think that's one of the bigger reasons wise Sometimes people have an issue she with it but I am surprised that we don't get this more often. The heat competition at the pro or the college level. It's it's a good thing that we don't but obviously we have had to you know relatively high profile incidents you know as of late with this and then of course you had add the really scary incident with myles Garrett in Mason Rudolph in the NFL month and a half ago or so. But that's you you know as as we turn toward Wednesday morning here most of you. Obviously we'll be listening to this Wednesday morning or Wednesday afternoon. We'll find out more about punishments and where Kansas this can go from here. How strong the big twelve? Obstacle down on K.. You with all of this. Hopefully it's the last fight we see in college basketball goofball this season you know sometimes things like this. They're bad but they can serve as like kind of like you know a megaphone reminder to the the rest of the sport the coaches you know. Don't be like them. Don't be like Kansas. Don't be like case day. That's not what we're about fights will inevitably spring up again. Yeah you know just just the human nature of competition. I get all of that but How about college basketball? You know the talking point in the sport To win almost fatiguing degree has been. You know the tumult at the top of the polls and nobody's good. Everyone's stinks Yada Yada Yada. We'll talk about this over and over over and over hollow how little Brouhaha to spice things up there. I think I saw dude and one of those videos in a suit come flying across at the start of this. Don't I don't know who that was. The Kansas Jayhawks covering its eyes on the opposite end of of everything weird scene just bizarre seen some of the photos. Coming out of this are Frankly kind of incredible. But that's about it here so personnel will talk more on Wednesday. We'll get to other stuff in addition to the Kansas headline because by the time we record hopefully we learn more Plenty of other things to talk about in college hoops. The court report on Wednesday. We'll have a bit on in Illinois toxin fighting a line. I off to their best start in league play in fourteen years So plenty of other interesting stuff but Kansas becomes the fact a story for this new cycle of the next day or so and we see we wouldn't see who will be available and unavailable play for the game against Tennessee. Appreciate she listening. Hope you enjoyed these emergency podcasts. If you have not already do be sure to subscribe in Apple podcasts or whatever service you prefer for you can get this podcast. Essentially on every single service that has subscription so for that we thank you so much appreciate it and we'll talk to you again Wednesday late morning early afternoon.

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REShow: Jay Bilas. Hour 2 (07-17-19)

The Rich Eisen Show

00:00 sec | 1 year ago

REShow: Jay Bilas. Hour 2 (07-17-19)

"Thank you for listening to this podcast. One sports net production available on apple podcasts and podcast one. Every car comes with its sheriff stories that Ding in your bumper. When you nervously picked up your first date the luxury package you got after a big promotion or the mileage you saved by riding your bike all summer while you can't put a price tag on your stories now with truecar you can at least find out what your car's worth when it's time to sell or trade it in just go to truecar simply enter your license plate number and watch how your car's details pop up then answer a few questions navigation and moon roof watches they bump up your value high mileage? 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I mean that's just <hes> that's daredevil stuff. If you will in our poll question is something to do with that brought to you by Truecar when it comes to selling a trading in your car you need to make good choices truecar. You've got starring your roster so when you're ready to sell a trade in your car check out truecar true cash offer is not available in all areas Chris. What do we <hes>? Let's update on that poll question. Okay which bucket list activity would you most want to do run with the bulls ten percent climb I Mount Everest ten percents when with the sharks eleven percent algae we wouldn't want to go on his go into space sixty nine percent nice yeah I mean running with the Bulls is is a is a ten percent or right now at richeisenshow or if you want to call us with anything else that eight four four two zero four rich we will we will take your phone calls. <hes> and Jay Bilas is about to join us just had a nice chat with him and his <hes> lovely wife Wendy back in our Green Green Room <hes> he will be joining us in a second op. I go way back Jay. BILAS started at E._S._P._N.. A year before I did and he was telling his story just moments ago about <hes> being on the college hoops tonight set nice. Is You know everything to night N._H._l.. To Night N._B._A.. Tonight that was when I was E._S._p._N.. Two is known as the DEUCE and it wasn't on one hundred million households every single hotel room game at Syracuse wants and we got them to do a shout out for the College TV station. Oh is that right yeah. This was like two thousand and did he do it. Yeah Very Nice Very Nice guy very nice about it. It's very nice guy couldn't be nicer. Guy went to Duke. I'm using that as a you know my my voice is being inflicting on B._G.. Armstrong will be here in our number three <hes> as the N._B._A.. Free Agency period is pretty much subsided and <hes> all the the big moves. Were waiting to see if Chris Paul's can get traded or not so B J Armstrong as an agent <hes> in the N._B._A.. Now an N._B._A.. Agent <hes> Derrick Rose Javale McGee just a couple of his <hes> clients for the Wasserman Group. He's obviously three times a apes N._B._A.. Champion with the Chicago Bulls and so <hes> always great to have B._J.. He'll be joining us here in our number three on the program <hes> and <hes> Knicks News right the Knicks <hes> sent out this <hes> long rambling statement in <hes> in in in support of James does a good job at an them M._S._G.. big-time thumbs up. I can't wait to hit that in your news update later on it's been a while since they had gone down a great Dolan Wormhole <hes> yes that'll be great. <hes> I'm in a second one here with Nick Sabin had to say it S._E._C.. Training Camp did use training media day pardon me S._e._C.. Media Day is up and running right now so did you did you stay up for the finale of the world series of by did not I. I cashed in my chips at about eleven eleven thirty while that's that was later than me. Eleven thirty what we're about even chip stack when I decided to go to sleep right and sonnen Dario San Martino Darrow San Martino who's wearing dressed in a Tuxedo bond swarm aware you know everyone else you could see poker. They dressed like you know bill belichick on a day on the sidelines with you into a sunglasses and headphones we have many times throughout the world series of poker and as I tweeted out <hes> yesterday a photograph of my my new friends lawn Norman and Jamie that I've spent more time I'm with them than my two kids two sons who are in summer camp over the last week. I spent more time with them than actual crucial members of my family yeah why not and <hes> so we have discussed about what if I did make the final table if I did play in a world series of poker event which as you know as we have covered the fact is the national football league employees <hes> despite the raiders moving to Vegas. I don't think that the the the strength the <hes> <hes> parameters guidelines of the N._F._l.. Employees have been loosened enough for me to do that nor I. I don't know how the conversation would go. Hey Sues WanNA play in the world series of Poker Okay whereas it Vegas Vegas Vegas if I do well. I'm gone for like ten days right okay. I don't know how that would go with A._T.. And T. also here at the rich Eisen show on location broadcasts Taylor. Tell ensues <hes> so you know. How much is it to enter? I'll ten thousand dollars yet I and in order to make that back I need to last entire week pretty you gotta make it to the last twelve hundred people right now and how many people on well there's probably next year there might be like nine thousand right right okay. That'll be interesting conversation. It was awesome though man what a great final table right it was fun but as we had the conversation yesterday about how I would not want a cheering section there for me. If if I made the final table yeah they call it the rail right and I just I would just be uncomfortable with it because the poker gods that smile upon me to win a hand and have my cheering section cheer vociferously Lee and chant and whatever those poker God's can absolutely flip on the very next hand and just destroy me which is what happened to Livingston last night he got he got he got aren't. We're not in that spot exactly one hand and then and then nine hands later he was a short stack and then an hour later he was gone the that's why so I mean the whole people channing like rum and chest. That's great and I would think that that's the poker God started turning. That's the way my I'm thinking and I don't need people cheering because I just stole blind so they heard this and this is what went down in the world series of poker okay last night with the Voice of Norman Chad here are the rich Eisen today WHO's a big poker fan and the rich Eisen show they were talking about the world is made a final table and rich shed that if he ever makes the main event final table he wants. Nobody on his rail. Crickets says he just wants to be a rare individual. Just doesn't feel right now. I can't believe that he wouldn't allow his friends and family to come and do this type of celebration calibrations but he said he does not want it. I let me let me just and you could hear him. Say That over the children's Darrow's crew. I honestly don't know like if I did make the final table all right you you guys. I would the their first but you'd have to do the show without me all right. Let's beyond the Las Vegas from got my poker buddies here. Okay <hes> and I've got my family and children okay who wouldn't be allowed in to the casino probably not and the guys who I play poker with would be rather caught dead than chanting my name anywhere in any circumstance let alone at the world series of poker on television okay and probably they'd have a piece of my winnings because I ain't putting up the full ten ready to get you'd have several bat okay so yeah so you know I don't know who would be like wearing t shirts and holding signs and going crazy anyway wait but even with all that last night at the final table when they are like it's just down to I kinda got into the understanding of anything could turn for any hand right you win a hand. When your heads up up I understand the cheering and understand that they WANNA have that sort of energy? I mean they got a pilot cash on the table. They got this huge championship gold bracelet which is what it's a half million dollars not like you're going to sell L. that thing or pawn it down the street you know in Vegas. The atmosphere is just like a super bowl. This is their big event of the year. It's awesome. I like the I think you would come around. I don't know about it on the rail. Idea was so controversial to say. I don't want to buy my own cheering section. I just like I'm focused and Mike if if I'm not like going leaving the table putting somebody else all in a meeting and you stand next to them or not and then watching it on the screen Dario doubled up and he basically lamb believed into his crew. I think you'd get into. I don't know on our clearly. I don't know how I would react but also I definitely think I would do the sunglasses in my eyes. I don't want anybody you see my eyes because I I don't know I got everything you know how I feel about everything everything in my life on my slave and you said he you'd look like a nascar driver by the end of the by the end of the night I would have there there would be no empty a piece of cloth. I would be sponsored out the Wazoo like it'd be ridiculous. My whole body would be for sale rare richeisenshow logo. I don't know if I could wear the N._F._l.. Logo probably not they retire from the N._F._l.. Of coming back to you every time the crowd that's they'd be like well porridge is this is what he does well. I don't want to be viewed as a scrooge. I'm just I don't want to anger the poker God's I don't I mean it's fair. I understand sometimes where I haven't done any skill. There's been no skill. There's been no bluff. There's been no skill to win a hand. I don't need people like cheering like I just don't like do anyway. Authors Donny baseball like Enrico Palazzo St Reich to like. I don't need that so that's that Donny Baseball yes. That's my real. Maybe don mattingly could be part of your on mattingly would be welcome on my rail for the final table very good okay before you get Jay Bilas out here. Nick Saban had some interesting comments about the the transfer portal okay based on what I can understand here in college sports a kid says I I want out. I want out of my letter of intent one Outta here in football. It's just like okay you handed like for Jalen hurts. You handed my job over to somebody else. He didn't go into the transfer portal by <hes> by the way like <hes> as as an underclassmen he he's a graduate right. He could choose choose where he wants. Exactly so nick is thinks that anybody gets in the travel a transfer portal now <hes> or was beginning to just as soon as you go and you just doesn't matter you can go. Don't worry you're out of your letter of intent <hes> Justin Fields. It's going to the the <hes> the starting quarterback for the Ohio State University because he couldn't get any run in Georgia. They just let them walk right. Didn't shape Patterson have that too from <hes> from shape paterson. She had to petition to not send their all. He had a petition all right so here's nick on on on what rules of I do believe they have been made more stringent even in the last couple of weeks but this was nick had to say this when we started with the transfer portal it was a mechanism for the players to be able to say I'm transferring so everybody knows that I'm transferring so that creates opportunities for me to go different places than that's a good thing for the player. The issue with the transfer portal is we gotten very liberal and giving people waivers so when we do that it becomes free agency which I don't think is good for college football fans so in my opinion Annan if we're going to have a transfer portal that's good for the players then we ought to have a role that says regardless of what happens when you transfer you have to sit out a year sitting out a year is such a strong penalty for a football player to have another nick soundbite on this very subject or is that from the S._e._C. Media Denno and another one on Nick <hes> someone asked him if he's difficult to work with. I will say that for your news okay great right because <hes> player Eligibility College sports is truly UPI Allie of the manages chilled out on the rich Eisen show green room couch who I am thrilled to see Jay Bilas your manual word you said Hey I'm in Los Angeles so southern California. I'll come on here you are you a few of presented presented yourself for this appearance. Thank you Jay thank you. You Bet that's Jay Bilas of E._S._P._N.. One of the best in the business I've known this man for a very long time. It's a long time since I've personally seen him. <hes> Jay Bilas next year on the rich Eisen show live in. In studio everybody's got to do list drop off the dry cleaning pick-up some milk. Here's an idea let's add save hundreds of dollars on car insurance to that list and the good thing is you don't have to drop off or pick up anything. All you have to do is go to GEICO DOT COM I and in fifteen minutes you could be saving fifteen percent or more on car insurance extra money in your pocket of course this may be the most rewarding to do you do today. Welcome back to the rich Eisen show. I've known this man since the first day. I walked in E._S._P._N.. Pretty much back in the nineties and he is essentially the Voice of College Basketball on E._S._p._N.. Right now and I'm not just saying that because he's sitting right here and throw that he's sitting right here. He's Jay Bilas good to see you sir. I was like begging you to come in studio. Well I want to get my picture taken and have it have it on your instagram McConnell. Anybody's on the richeisenshow except me you have been on it but I didn't know you were going to be out here and you're said Yeah I'll be here in Los Angeles and do you know how many people will say look. You're from this area Harry. Hey Yeah when I'm at I'm in town that you know they don't. They don't like literally nine out of ten. I'll let you know what I'm in town. Then you find that your yeah most people hey anything I can do. Let me know reach out. Let's let stain contact and you know. I don't have that information. You know they don't have yours but you just say okay sure so. That's a southern California. Los Angeles thing that I got used to how to get used to. When I first moved down here I'm like I'm going to? I'm not that guy so when you said I'll do it I followed up and now here you are. That's the equivalent of of big fan like I was on a T._v.. Show one time and and I was all starstruck and I was total fan boy of the other people there and my wife was with me and and we're in the green room and Jake Jilin Hall was on the same show and so I went up saying okay well. I'm going to introduce myself to Jake Jilin Hall okay so I went up and I said hey jake you know. My name is Jay Bilas and he goes Oh yeah big fan. He had no idea who I was and so now I'm telling I'm telling my wife every time somebody comes up and I don't know who they are. I'm just getting yeah big fan because it's not that here's a narrow thing to say big fat. Here's another one for you and I shouldn't. I you know I shouldn't give away. Some of the trade secrets here Ajay's friend but there's so many people that will come up to you and say you know hey. Don't you remember that one time when we matter whatever you look great you know so just like good to see again. Yeah good to see again but I get called out on that too like you know when somebody comes up. Come on you know like I've said hey nice is seen again and he said well nice to meet you. We've never met before okay. I can't wait just hello well good to see. I'm I'm a big fan good to see you again. Jay Bilas here on the rich Eisen show <hes> so you I started at E._S._p._N.. And how did how did E._S._P._N.. Reach out to you. I was doing radio work. I was a fulltime lawyer in Charlotte North Carolina so practicing law and I I started doing Radio Games James and somehow <hes> Dave Miller who was the <hes> you know the boss at the time of college basketball <hes> called me and said Hey we got a game <hes>. Would you like to do it. It was the Big South Tournament Championship game and there was no bid down the line because somebody had left the conference so they lost their bid so I did. I did a game between <hes> U._N._C.. Greens borough in Charleston southern was my first game who'd you do. I did it with a guy named drew goodman okay and <hes> was the play by play person and we we we had a blast I mean it couldn't have been more fun. I was so excited to do the game and <hes> and you know like apparently I didn't soil myself so they offered me more games the next year and kind of took off from there. Were you at trial lawyer Yeah Yeah I was commercial litigator so I'd like to try ladies and Gentlemen Gentlemen of the jury like you did that you restatement closing statement. You know what T._v.. Lawyer will you like the most we would know where you matt. We more matlock or law and order were you firing was probably more law and order type. <hes> you know like the the the one case that I had that was somewhat gained. Some notoriety was I represented a costume manufacturer against Barney the purple dinosaur so the the the the group group that owned the rights to Barney went around and they have to do this call lions partnership they were they were suing people who were infringing upon the image and likeness of Barney and so if you don't you to protect your rights you can lose them so to this kind of happens that way so I was represented guy named Philip Morris who owned a Morris costumes and he described himself as the Colonel Sanders of the costume industry so and and you know he he was a T._v.. Personality and all that stuff way back when you couldn't have been a better guy really enjoyed but he had this they sold this thing called Hillary the hippo which looked exactly like Barney and it was just being rented for people to do tea parties for their kids and all that so we wanted to settle the case right away but they wouldn't wouldn't settle it because they wanted to make a they wanna make an example out of town so we went to federal court and one no kidding we won and <hes> and we wound up then it went to the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals. I'd argue about Barney the purple dinosaur aw one step away from the United States Supreme Court and we wound up we will lost some. We want some stuff on appeal awesome stuff on appeal wound up settling the case but it was the dumbest case you've ever seen in your life and you know you go to law school and you like to think well. I've learned something and I'm GonNa. I'M GONNA be a High Falutin lawyer and you're arguing before a federal judge about Barney the purple dinosaur it was embarrassing so when you are occasionally railing against the N._C.. Double A. and the way they conduct its business. That's not the the first time you put the system on trial J.. No it's not it is not when you're when you have the the audacity to take on Barney the purple dinosaur and the worst part about it was my kids were little at the time so they were Barney all day and then their bar Barney Barney Barney and then I would go to work and I'm surrounded by all his Barney nonsense and the funniest part because the cases over I can say this now yes <hes> I had the costume. The evidence of the trial ended the costume at home for some reason and my wife and her friends used it to have a birthday party for some of our cares for some of the kids in the neighborhood and they had this is back before cell phone pictures knowledge pictures of all this. I'm like are do you what do you do. You realize this could end the trial right here. If the you know the other side got a hold of this shit never made it to the Supreme Court. No no no we wound up <hes> I it that that never would have made it period but the fact that made it the Fourth Circuit Record appeal would've loved it. Just <hes> just Jay Bilas Justice Rehnquist is ask you my subpoenaed Barney to the trial honest to God gets by subpoenaed Barney to the trial the other side said your you know your honor. We can't what do that. There are only three of these costumes existence. It's on the road doing this hardship of bringing in and the costume is six eight inches tall weighs like two hundred and fifty pounds or whatever and I stood up I said your honor I'm six eight and I weigh about two forty. I got in there just fine. And so the judge ordered the costume and they brought it they brought it opened up this big truck and they wouldn't let anybody see it unless somebody was in it. Barney pops out of the back of a truck onto the loading dock. The judge came down all the court reporter and every employee of the federal building was there to see it celebrity right. It was the dumbest thing you've ever seen in your life and I just did it because they were just subpoenaed it to jerk them around. They were jerking us around and I figured okay we'll see what happens. Jay Bilas here on the rich Eisen show fantastic so <hes> what's there's an interesting documentary that I wanNa talk to you about that. You're you're going to be a front and Center for E._S._P._N.. Films it's a thirty for thirty something like that yeah. The class that saved coach K. airs on the opening night of the S._e._C. Network launch on August twenty second and it's your recruiting class. Were you the recruiting class that saved coach K.. What is according to the documentary airing a documentary? We are <hes> we were coach. K.'s I everything so Johnny Dawkins who's now the head coach U._c._f.. Marc Alary <hes> David Henderson and myself and then <hes> Bill Jackman Weldon Williams. We're the number one recruiting class in the country we had we had six guys that were all ranked in the top fifty and it so my first year there was coach K.'s third and had a losing he had a losing record and <hes> and we were the one we are the class <hes> ah that helped him turn it around and we were as first A._C._C.. Championship team I number one ranked team first final four team all that stuff <hes> and there's an argument to be made. We should have been his first title team. We lost a Louisville and the title game after winning thirty seven games that a year <hes> so we lost by bucket and it was <hes> <hes> but I it's it's been interesting sort of going through the process and kind of reliving all that stuff so longtime joe was coach k. at any party recollection ever on the hotseat low yeah that's so that was the purpose of this he was on. He was like right there to get fired. There was a petition circling around at the time to fire him. <hes> all the boosters were circulating a petition to fire him. <hes> sounds like hoosiers yeah. No it's true they had. They had everybody in the town. Get together. Johnny Dhaka's was Jimmy Chitwood but but absolutely that was happening and there was there was a great deal of concern among the players that what I remember calling my dad and saying what do why do they fire him like I'm not staying here no kidding my dad said well. You just relaxed like there's nothing you can do about it. Just play you know you'll be fine and he said like what are you gonNA. What are you gonNA? Do you guys GonNa have a town meeting. There's nothing you can do about it so quick worrying about it and that was the right advice but but it was it was a great deal of concern and then the following year my sophomore year we got really good. We're in the top fifteen in the country and one twenty some games and got really good and then he got signed to an extension in the middle of the year or maybe as early on the year but that I remember like the weight feeling this weight lifted off when he was signed to an extension that we didn't have to worry about that anymore amazing. What is it like because I know you're lead pipe wheeling professional Jay but what is it like walking into Cameron? It's you a game like like say the one that you did this year Obama's there to U._N._C.. I mean it's the same as walking in as I would imagine walking into fenway for world series game or or <hes> Wrigley field or something like that are playing Saint Andrews or Augusta. The lace has a certain meaning for you personally for me personally. It's it's it's maybe a little bit different than everywhere else but you spent so much time there <hes> both as a player <hes> and I was an assistant coach there for a while for three years <hes> so you know you know every nook and cranny of the place <hes>. It's not when I'm doing a game there. It's not as emotional as other times. I'm there because you're there for a reason and you know you're focused on something else. I'm not I I don't you know sit there and and you know wax is poetic about the old days when I'm doing a game there but oddly enough when it's most interesting to me is when you walk in there and there's nobody in there when it's when it's completely empty and you can you look around here the height of yeah you don't WanNa get you know goofy about it but yeah you Kinda do and there are two places that I would crawl on my knees to do a game or to attend a game just to be there. <hes> one is cameron. The others Allen fieldhouse a Kansas which is which I have likened to. I think Allen fieldhouse is the Saint Andrew's of college basketball. It's the it's the place where everything started and those two places are are there other places but those two are the best by far Jay Bilas here on the rich Eisen Show so interesting then you would say from your experience where again they're petitioning coach k. to be fired while you're there you call your dad what happens if he gets fired. He tells you to chill out from that perspective. Do you think that kids if they're recruited by coach and the coach gets bounds the kids should be able to be let out of his or her letter of intent yes when I was when I was in college I was actually a member of an incident committee called the incident. A Long Range Planning Committee clearly didn't do a very good job <hes> but they I you know I i. I'm sure the regrets letting me behind the curtain to see how everything worked because that's where I got <hes> that's where I sort of formed this notion of of policy justification that we should be able to justify every policy that we have and I brought up in meetings that I didn't think it was right that player shouldn't be allowed to transfer and when I was recruited Lute Olson recruited me to the University of Iowa. I came down to four guys that I wanted to play for coach K. Jim in behind but Syracuse Lute Olson who was at Iowa at the time and a gentleman named Ted Owens just turned ninety years old yesterday at Kansas tweeted so those were the four coaches I want to play for and <hes> when Lute Olson recruited me and Lute Olson is as good a guys you've ever in your life but I I went over to his house. He had the this how old I am. The plans for the Carver Hawkeye arena on his kitchen table his wife made breakfast for us <hes> plans for the Carver Hawkeye arena and and a and a ten year contract act and he looked at me and said I'm going to be here your whole for years and he went to Arizona the next year so if I'd gone to Iowa which I was semi close to doing if I'd gone to Iowa I'd be sitting there in a cornfield and he'd be an an Arizona and I'd Ha- If I wanted to go with them because I went there for I was going to college for a coach. I wasn't going for school and out Duke doesn't want to hear that but I went to play for coach K.. <hes> that's that was my choice as him and so I I thought that's not fair. That's not right like the coaches get up and leave and the players have to stay there or they lose a year of their their lives. Why like why do I have to be twenty three years old in college because of this you know I'm an I'm an amateur? I'm a student to be treated like any other student according to N._C._W._a.. Rules <hes> I must i. I'm I'm I'm a student who just happens to be an athlete and a student to be treated like any other student. No other students told they can't transfer and participate in whatever field of. Whatever they want and I I don't see if you're an emitter? Why why do we treat you like a professional with a a non compete provisions because that's what it is? It's a non compete provision and it is nothing more and they used to say remember. They used to call it they still do they. Call it a year in residence sitting out a year in residence well that's nonsense. Why don't you need a year in residence when you go to college in the first place right so after after being in college why need time to acclimate myself that doesn't doesn't make any sense if you've already you've already college? I'm going to acclimate to college. I've been there but yet you're a high school. Kid Going College. You don't need to sit out and have a year in residence that <hes> that that makes no sense so where is the line because I mean Nick Sabin just today at the S._e._C.. See Media Day was talking about the transfer portal being in the rules being too liberal that that kids <hes> make a four year commitment to the school you make the four year commitment to the kid and if somebody says I I don't like my playing situation or don't like what's going on here. I want out in the transfer portal and that should mean. I should get to go where I go. Where where do you draw the line well first of all I love Salmon? I would love to play for that guy. If I played football he'd be He'd be the Guy <hes> I differ with them. On this first of all it's not a four year commitment and never has been the school doesn't make a four year commitment to a player they can bounce the player anytime they want but up until a few years ago. You couldn't make a four year commitment. It was a one year renewable scholarship was a one year renewable. It was not a four for your commitment. <hes> the the player signs. The letterman ten binds them to the school so the player was bound but the school wasn't bound to the player you know you you can run a playoff anytime you want still can <hes> to me. It's a question a philosophy like what what's going to be the justification behind any policy that we have in in this regard and the philosophy is this is an amateur sports endeavor right. That's what the toll tells us that this is part of your education's amateur sports well. It's amateur. How can this how can this student athlete the quote Unquote Student Athlete an asset at the university because that's what the coaches are saying that these players are assets and they couch it by saying well they made a commitment and they shouldn't run off at the first sign of of <hes> adversity adversity like shut up? Stop that like what why why don't the coaches after stick around you know they get to better themselves whenever they feel like it so coach take basketball for example. The coach at Cleveland State has a great year goes to Michigan she can state or where it what whatever job is open. They get to better themselves right but a kid who plays a Cleveland State has Brin Forbes who was at Cleveland State who what he can't transfer and go to Michigan State that is that so awful. That player wants just a better but but people are saying well. That's not fair to Cleveland State. They've invested in this kid so they're saying they deserve. Return on that investment which means the player is an asset its pro. This is pro sports and <hes> you know. I don't see why it's so hard for people to really acknowledge that it's professional sports. We sell it like Pro Sports. <hes> the coaches and administrators earn like Pro Sports. It's marketed like pro spo- it's pro sports and the only thing amador about it are the players everything else is completely and totally professional. Let me ask you Jay Bilas. I mean if you're let's say there's an epiphany had at the collegiate level and they reach out to you to run it. Would you do it. I would yeah I will I if if it were for real and I felt like I could help <hes> this is public information now so I feel like I can share this but I I was asked a few years ago to serve on the Committee on Dancer Release Committee on Infractions <hes> somebody reported it. It's right so it's already out there. <hes> I would never have talked about this otherwise but the reason I was asked I'm not stupid. The reason I was asked is because that would limit the amount I could comment on on case. I wouldn't be able to comment anymore and so that was a smart move to to try to get me to do that for your trial lawyers. He signed through that but I it's also a conflict of interest so I said I said No. It's a conflict right and <hes> and they said No. We've examined that we don't we don't see it as a conflict. I don't care whether if examined its conflict I can't I can't do that right <hes> so I said no but if I were actually in a position where I could help I would absolutely help absolutely like I'm serving on the competition committee now which deal the competition committee deals just with the rules of play so has nothing to do with policy. It's just the rules of play on the part of people said let's move the three point line. Yes okay that the rules committee made the ultimate decision the Competition Committee <hes> forwards the all the data we look at all the data and and then we Ford on recommendations to the rules committee but if Mark Amherst just decided I'm gone and then like hey. Let's just totally change everything. Let's bring on Jay Bilas. You would say yes to that. I think I would <hes> yet at the stage of my life. I probably would if I if I felt like there was the authority and <hes> to to actually do something right and to end to help like if 'cause I do believe the the system needs help doesn't mean I'm the only one that that you know has a good idea but <hes> but I would. I would would more be more than happy to help okay and in terms of that actually happening that you would be offered this opportunity. What how warm would the place to freeze over half to be? Oh I think think that this actually is in the realm of possibility with your is is your ideal possibility there are I think there are ideas that I have that. A lot of people within the structure agree with there are but there are way too many people who who are of the the mind that wait a minute now we. We've just shut up Ju. Just don't talk about this stuff anymore like we've got A. We've got a line that we're using quit doing that but you try to tell people like look. I'm not talking about people like the the people at the N._C.. Double A. Are Great. They're great and I don't just mean the folks in Indianapolis <hes> in the end suitably office. I'm talking about at every N._C.. Double A. Institution like the you'll hear all the time the N._C.. Double A. is the member schools so I'm when I say I'm talking about. All the schools are just the folks looks at work in Indy right but they're wonderful people but the policies need to be discussed and so when you when you say it's like talking about you know the the speed limit or any law like doesn't mean I'm down on policymakers or I don't like <hes> who's representing us but there's something wrong with this law. There's something wrong with with the the rules and that's all I'm talking about but there are too many people that think wait a minute. Don't you shouldn't don't say this. Don't talk about this but you tried to tell him I cook. I'm not suing the answer double A.. I've never sued the other people are doing that and these lawsuits keep coming and they're winning now. I don't think that the answer is GonNa lose. Every lawsuit that comes its way but they're not going to win them all either and you're seeing a lot of movement like right now. There are laws being pursued here in California. There's a law <hes> there's a law being put forth on name image and likeness to allow college athletes their name image and likeness rights. There's movement on that in. Washington in Congress <hes> so this train is rolling down the tracks and and the N._C.. Double A.'s is seemingly wanting to tie the players to the tracks while the train rolls down you know like here in California with this name image and I liked us <hes> <hes> law. That's that's moving forward. You know mark emerged actually sent a letter <hes> to to the government here saying hey if you do this that I do you know it was like a threat and and and the lawmakers are took it as a threat and <hes> and really said you're not gonNA threaten us. We're moving moving forward anyway. I saw that Jay Bilas here on the rich is you can. I keep you one more step. Whatever live one more segment I I WANNA start on a little bit of sportscenter memory? I'm ready for that for for what with one more segment <hes> with Jay Bilas that's next. Don't you dare move right here on the rich Eisen Show B J Armstrong also still to come stay tuned for sixty seconds of A._p.. News headlines Right after this podcast five minutes. I have left with you Jay Bilas. You just came back from town right yeah. How'd you do not great? I hit the ball fine but I just couldn't pot. I must've three-putted fifty times. Did you play with I played with Dell Curry the first day and he birdied the first three holes. He was on fire Alfonso Ribeiro. She's terrific. He's very good very good and a lot of fun couldn't have been nicer guys brother-in-law Brennan caddied for him. We had a great time and then <hes> Steve Young and Tim Brown played with and I played with miles teller and John O.`Hurley so three three fabulous fabulous actors played together until teller by the way that's great dude well now John O.`Hurley. He's a great guy. Great Guy and you know you don't want to ask them. Hey if I make a plug. Could you do like J.. Peterman for me or something. You don't want to do that but it was fun. Thank you know I wanted to decorum out there but it was really fun. That's great <hes>. Let's hit the way back machine a little bit here. wince when Stewart would <hes> give you grief about do <hes> what was that like it was fine. I got a a lot of grief about Duke. He's huge North Carolina Guy. Obviously I love whenever I the the best <hes> and and you know you guys were so great together but you know every time I like. I was reminding you like it was so much fun being around you guys because you had fun right and when I first started I was always worried about making a mistake and you know so. You're maybe a little stiff and and you guys relaxed you really quick because it was it was nothing but fun. We were all yeah Bill Pedo every time you turnaround bill pedo would say something that would make you make you soul yourself by he. He was reminding me. We were going down Memory Lane Brockman. Tell him what he called the E._S._p._N.. News set because E._S._p._N.. News when it started you know that's where people when they first came into sports center on E._S._p._N.. But then they would take some established sportscenter anchors and put them on E._S._p._N.. Is Tell it was encased in glass and it had all the cameras were automatic so the no camera people in there so I._P._O.. Called it the box and you walk by and you say you say hey bill how're you doing. He goes how am I doing. I'm in a box. That's how I'm doing the blocks billy five years ago. I'm doing N._F._l.. Countdown now. I'm in the box jaded. Put me in a box N._H._l.. To night Wednesday box I worked with billy doing doing wraps so bill doing wraps which is kind of the half times and he got shot sheet. Somebody handed him a shot cheat. which is is what you read for a highlight here so he looks at the shot sheet? He couldn't identify name so he leans over to me and says J. B.. How do you pronounce this Guy's name? I looked at says yea Gore Sharikov and then he goes ain't happening. It said that that's what you call a career killer and then he called him the big guy from G._W.. On everything guy from G._W.. Did you you cross paths with kilborn to at all or that was passed but you know because he he left in ninety six you got there in ninety five yeah and <hes> you do most of the Games now with Dan Schulman's home and most of the time. It's Sean McDonough so I get I have one guy who's incredibly nice the other guy yells at me and reese the nicest guy in the world nicest guy in the world and he is that he's Mr Game Day your those Game Day for Game Two basketball and the draft to the N._B._A.. Draft N._F._l.. Draft couldn't happen to a nice day. He's the best right I and and you know but I'm a little tired of the hair. I'm sick of it. Still hangs on not only still has it but it's perfect all the time. Nothing moves it <hes> when did. When did you realize that it was going J.? In the early nineties <hes> I had done a movie actually <hes> called I come in peace with Dolph Lundgren come on where I played an alien cop and they had to shave my head so my hair never grew back in the right way. 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"Thank you for listening to this. podcast one sports net production available on apple podcast and podcast one seat in their things in life. That are okay to cheap out on the car wash just the express washes right and you could tidied up at home but speaking of cars the one thing you should never cheap out on his your battery. I'm no tech but I can tell you you don't want to be with a bad battery especially winter on the corner and no one wants to end up with a lifelock. My buddy mark has a car. He was over play notoriously cheap mark Martin. Nickname marks a car battery. I'm not kidding. The other day in Vermont died in my front yard and I had to jump his car to get him home about mark. Get together together. My go to interstate better. That's why you need interstate batteries. I'm talking to you. Mark commericals number one replacement battery brand and battery auto techs prefer three times more than the other brands. Keep your car prepared for anything especially with winter. 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Maybe I go to the NBA. Well they're under investigation. And you have one of their players Silvio Desouza who who was is the player under investigation. He went at a player on Kansas State last night. Duan Gordon steals the ball from him. It's a blow out by Kansas. They're winning comfortably at home. And then Duan Gordon. A freshman makes the steel and he goes in for a layup in Desouza Susa goes in and blocks it and then taunts him and then all of a sudden you got the benches that clear and then it's a mess but Got A few fans saying bill self and then in capital letters isn't leaving period. Stop Okay just throwing it out there and see how this investigation goes and how along you suspend the Susan for and people are saying maybe the end of the year if he had actually connected with that stool then he's done he's gone You had an assistant coach who Gets the save of the day gets an assist but That that could have been criminal. You're hitting somebody somebody over the head with the stool and it. It could have been really really really bad. And I'm old enough to remember you know when kermit Washington hit Rudy Tomjanovich and that was a fist and that was at midcourt with the Lakers and rockets and he nearly killed Rudy Tomjanovich. Sometimes we'll say oh he he he nearly killed somebody no he nearly killed Rudy Tomjanovich. This was one of those situations where you see it unfold in front of you and then you just I I always look on. The periphery anytime. There's a fight bench clearing brawl. I always want to see what's happening outside. Because it's the guy who's coming in the the third party the guy that you don't see the guy who sucker punches you. That's what I was worried about in that situation and you almost had that but Kansas gets the win bill self after the game had to say he was asked about the incident and he said this about Kansas State in general. I think it's a little bit different different because we've had multiple issues case. They on. This was a little bit different. If you have the lead. The team quit starting obviously. Don't go school if the team is behind. And you teach your kids to play to the whistle or play possession. I don't think that you should take total of dance to any that transpires. I'm not sure that it's the right thing to do. But I'm not gonNA place any blame. Being born Gordon. Going and taking his fault Sylvia noting that he was being defended and and he took his ball and certainly the way Silvio reacted to taking this fall going down and block the shop. That's all fair game corn off within what transpired after that was sitting everything off now Bruce Weber. Kansas State's head coach reportedly told his kids. Hey let's just back-off we're getting blown out. The game is over I understand. Do you WanNa play to the whistle. I get that I absolutely get it. I'm probably in the minority on this. I don't have any problem with that freshman trying to steal the ball going in and You know desouza blocking the shot okay. I'm fine with all of that. But but don't taunt him and then you had players coming off the bench from Kansas State. They were the instigators here because it could have ended like that it wasn't pretty could've ended separate move on. Here is Bruce Weber. This is the Kansas State head coach. After the game I talk to our team I did not see it so I don't know I saw days. I turned around shaky and steal steal abroad. I you know I. I turned around and shake hands with coach self and their staff and the next thing I knew every there guys were run. I turned around. That's all I saw so it's I said before I'm just happy. Nothing major happen to either team or there was a escalated fight or something because that would not be the best thing for for Kansas State rivalry or college basketball and bad bad play at the end. It's disappointing life lessons for our young guys. Hopefully Eckstein though. Okay thank you guys. All right go chiefs. Well he made it sound like nothing happened there for teaching moment. Kids kids emotional sometimes. Okay all right. Maybe I saw something different there. It looked like that could have been absolutely disaster Okay nothing to see here move on my bad. I thought it seemed like it was a big deal. Yes you talked about the Kansas player grabbing the stool remember the I I think as two thousand and three Francisco. He was a relief. PITCHER will the Rangers. There was a fight it was it was actually a player fan fight. He grabbed a chair and threw it into into the crowd and it hit a fan. He was suspended for the remainder of the two thousand five season. which is basically like sixty games and he was actually arrested and charged with assault? What he was knocked down a misdemeanor but he was arrested arrested? mclovin can you find out to they play again. This season the rematch will be at Kansas State. Yes taunt in in something late February for sure. The Kansas state happened and if he wanted to spending the rest of the year fine I mean he's been under investigation or put Kansas in this very difficult situation of having to answer to the NC Double A.. And you know were they involved in this scandal. That invalid college basketball the ball the last couple of years. You definitely can't let him go to K.. State to suspend him at least until the end of the month. If that's the case can't have him gone there. No that can't be good yes Boeing. Espn Watson reinstated days before she plays against. Yes mclovin. I kinda get what to Gordon. Did as a former bench warmer. I mean those last-second points are invaluable to your resume. I don't know if this is. You gotta go for those two points and if it gets blocked. That's unfortunate. That was bad right. I I'm with you mclovin college. Yeah like you just say I if I get on the floor I just don't want to sort of slow dance within when you dribble the ball you know the clock out. I'm like I could get that Baldwin for Steele might miss a back iron dunk but yeah it's all right. Kitty Chan slow airtime here. Yeah pulling I totally disagree with you guys on this one. The Kansas player is dribbling. The clock out. He's not even an dribbled stance where he's protecting the ball he's just riley basically dribbling and he's looking upwards he's about to give it to the wrath the they're starting the handshake line to their left. The coaches are starting to do the handshake when the kids steals the ball. The kid wanted his moment as benchwarmer but that. CRT earned his back on him he turned his back at the game was over. He turned his back on him. I play the whistle Paulie when we have a great show right and it's a great show and then it gets to be about five minutes before the end of the show when we say goodbye why we don't just take those five minutes off because we've had a great show. I gotTA play until that final sack. It would be like you saying thanks for listening today. This has then the Dan Patrick show one of us go but Dan. You know the question hour when I really want to. That's what that kid did. If you were able to get the play or the comment in then it would be fine. Yes hunt so in. NFL teams up by sixteen points in the final seconds. And you know the closer to Negroes or pros but it's still a similar kind of situation. Those are pros those are pros host but the game is over and taking me. I I have no problem in the NFL. If you play to the whistle. Yeah what if it happened in a college football game. same scenario and the guys plowing through the quarterback because he's aggressive and he wants to play committed. I I don't like that play in general because you've got people who are Orian a position where they're not protected and you're actually going in there to try to hurt. Somebody tried to disrupt that and I that I have a problem with. That's that's dirty already stealing. The ball is not dirty. You may not like it and think it's unsportsmanlike from that standpoint. But it's not it's not a dirty play you just went in and try to get some maritime tried to get a hoop there but if like you brought up the NFL and we're looking at that example if the other team is kneeling on it and some guy on defense is going like balls out trying to get through the line to cause a fumble. That's the lamest play football games over dude. If you're you're trying to hurt somebody in a situation where they're giving themselves up you know basketball's not dirty. I mean he just stole the ball right. I mean to me if anything you should just let the guy go and let them get the lay up here. He looks like a loser. Sir Yes okay guy to be that loser going for that lay-up I'd love to be a loser. Yes Allen fieldhouse look at May that'd be my one shot of game action there so in next year's program they'd be like Oh you gotTa have the guy in action be like that would be it. We got blown out by twenty two and I stole the ball from a big man. who wasn't looking at at making the program? Yeah Yeah I actually like. What desouza did that guy wants to steal steal the ball and play some real basketball cool Brett? I'm going to come down and shot. No I'm fine with that. Just don't stand over me. You're you're a big time recruit who may put your team on probation here. I'm just trying to get a hoop here. That's all isn't funny. That Sousa is not even like a top flight player. An important player to not anymore. And he's GonNa go down in Kansas basketball history for multiple things. Yes mclovin code of the end of the game of bench what I can speak for vegetables like Frisch Joie. It's find a root against your own team. If you're down by like eighteen you pray that the other team goes on a run so it's adequate tolsey getting last. Yeah it's like Yeah Basketball Soda Football. You can't collect individuals stats. You're no one knows. The game logged a year from now. Who is in the garbage time garbage chute but are you can't compare a dirty eighty played football when you're taking a knee to a guy making his steel and you're down by twenty two? You may not like it but you know and I'm glad to. Susan went down and blocked it. But don't stand over him apple so based on this reasoning if you go back to the A R three and three league. Mario playing to the whistle and actually taking that shot was the right decision because he played at the whistle. No he could've played to the whistle in a smarter way. What exactly exactly Mario do in that situation? We can't rest on our laurels. I got a pad my stats. I gotta get a shot in. I'M GONNA play right to the last show I got. I don't remember quit video. Remember over and over right now. Morio was in the corner. Oh there it is. Mario in the corner looks up to the clock. And and the only way he can lose is if shoots an air ball and today's puts it back in at the Buzzer. Now there's two problems there. Tyler the Creator doesn't play to the whistle and Today's does yes the third problem. There's the running clock to that. The last four seconds of the game were allowed to run off while we we all. Just sit around that. That was a problem too but it could have just held the ball. Yes you could've slash should've yes held the ball. You guys were in the layup lines. So you've got you almost got them. Confused the forgotten. What was it going you guys were in the layup line? And you're being congratulated of going into play for the a you you a championship correct. Look at look at seat. And he's like yeah. I'm right here. Throw me the ball back your. It's still you got your arms up like what did you do. But in fairness to Mario that was to send it into overtime correct. That was just a tie again. Yeah Yeah might have to put it on the team captain. Well that'd be like saying rallying drums hey hey rallying the troops take come on. We can overcome. Hey are you like Aaron Rodgers where you pouting then. As a matter of fact yes I ever since Yeah Jameis Winston woodard rally the troops. There did you see where they might replace Jameis Winston with Philip rivers it really. Yeah that's a possibility with Tampa. So where does Jason's go in this scenario. I have no idea no clue wherever it's GONNA be. It's GonNa be fun to watch. Hey eight definitely watch. Wherever James Winston goes absolutely? I just saw where Larry Fitzgerald has bought a share of the Phoenix Suns. Okay take an AQ- from Aaron Rodgers. Who has a piece of the Milwaukee Bucks the only active NFL players partial owners of NFL teams? It's Nice Larry's good dude man. They just that that ideal teammate hall of Famer and when you're around him that's just a solid a guy. People always ask me like who your favorite players are though. Ask me about their favorite player. What do you think of? And then sometimes you're like I don't no no. I remember when my brothers in law were asking me about Lawrence. Taylor is Lawrence Taylor guy and ago Taylor and then I didn't want to hurt their feelings. I said do you want the truth. They're like do we go now. Probably not probably not speaking of behavior this Antonio Brown situation. There's nothing funny about it anymore. It's really really sad and I and I voice concerned a couple months ago because I think there's there was more there is is more to this situation than he's just angry is being blackballed in might have been September where I said look. I'm worried about him. I really am yeah. I was so worried I called the players association and I just said is somebody helping Antonio Brown they said. We can't talk about something like that. I said you know I. I don't know what protocol is but good God. Somebody help him because this is going to end poorly it really is and the video. That's been out there and you know is run INS with the police now. These up again on charges and and these players feel like the sport revolves around them and then they realize it doesn't it moves wounds on you know baseball moved on without Derrick jeeter. Football will move on without Tom Brady basketball. Well they tried to move on without Michael Jordan. It feels like like they've done a pretty good job with that. The sport moves on fans. Move on there's something. New Patrick mahomes comes in John. MORAND COMES IN ZION. Plays tonight you. You just move on but Antonio Brown you make good money. Young young people want you to play for their team. Endorse your product. You're good looking guy and there's more to this. I I really believe there's more to do this. All right few WANNA pick up some nice stuff. You can pick up that DP show calendar and it's thirty percent off now. Dan Patrick Dot Com. Or you can go to the Dan Patrick Patrick APP. We have our Patrick. Mahomes t shirt that you can Pick up we came up with our decay metcalf shirt which in theory sounded like it was a great time to unveil the decay. Okay metcalf shirt next year. It's going to be huge. Yes huge and so we have his quote on their too good to be true when I asked him. Why did he slip to the the second round? He gave us too good to be true. And then we put some ads on there as well but all of those t shirts are on there. You can go to the website very proud of what we've done in their a bigger better things on the way with that website. We'll take a break here and We'll come back are we. Are we talking about Derek. jeter not getting that one vote. Do we have another angle on this. Need to find the guy or the girl. Who did I vote? You know but I I don't want this to be a witch I just want lodge. They can even have an anonymous honest. This is why I didn't vote for Jeeter and I'd be fine with that. I don't need to know I go back to was it. Fred Hickman who didn't vote for shack. Somebody was going to be unanimous. And I and I think shack may have missed by one vote and I used to work work with Fred Hickman and CNN. and Freddie. I don't think voted for him. I think he voted for Alan Iverson. Does that sound right Paulie. Yeah that's correct. That's two thousand. Yeah no boy two thousand one shack at one hundred twenty one hundred twenty one possible votes for. MVP Fred Hickman of CNN the lone holdout he cast his vote for Allen. Iverson Hickman said it was crazy. He got death threats on his voice mail. No come on Yes fritzy see. I guess that's why it's a good reason to be anonymous. One crazy person to go hunt you down. Because they don't like that you didn't vote for Derrick jeeter onto I bound and that's why I don't want just to be a witch hunt because it will be and then you know this person gets vilified not good. Yep I I like exports a lot. I Love Sports I live. I've never gotten that upset about anything in sports. Where pick up the phone or send a letter at emailer? Threatening to a media member vote imagine being that delusional well. There are people like that. Because I've said stuff on this show where somebody gets email box man. He Wild Old people get. I mean but that's their fandom there so attached to it like we make love and talked about Walter Payton score in the Super Bowl. I did want to give a nice pounding but I did did not not a death threat I well. That's good. Yeah yes mclovin we own my gosh. I totally forgot to those bears. Over and Walter didn't score but refrigerator. Perry do think that Mike Ditka knew about the prop for refrigerator in had refrigerator. Come in and scored that touchdown you're implying take place a bet on for scoring no not any place to bet but you think he knew but I'm GonNa Guess he was aware of the profit propogate but wasn't he. That was the thing that year where they're throwing fridge in there. At the goal everyone was paying attention. I was a big deal memory was on Letterman. He was he was a big time star. Let me take a break here. Twenty after the hour back after this. We'll check in with the PELICANS. My pelicans coming up next hour in Zion's debut tonight it back after this on the Dan Patrick Show. Hey it's Paulie paps for the Dan. Patrick Show we've got an awesome podcast to tell you about today. 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My heart is so warm in all of this flannel with all this great content. You won't change the channel. This is for todd. You're the Valentine I can't wait to me. Just check your ticket for section row seat. That's very good excellent. This is for mclovin. I went to Dartmouth and took a lot of classes. Please don't break my heart like I broke my glasses and here is Seton O'connor if it's off the beaten path or down golden road. We're sure to have some fun. Suck it back Chelsea. That's great and then she actually drawer faces here. Let me see who looks todd. Oh No that's not good on todd. mclovin might look the best. Might look the vessel. I'll get our cameraman to shoot this. Maybe the cameraman could come over here now and could you wake up the cameraman. His name is weeks and he's bringing Marvin with him for actually going to show this. Yeah Yeah we should show the artwork there and we're going to do that if you're watching on audience channel thirty nine direct TV at the NBC. Sports that work. There is my photo Paulie of look at Fritzy's that that doesn't that's not fair to Utah. It looks like he's missing a chromosome. Well mclovin looks like make Glove Andrew. She's gotTa give that in an an Seton. I think she gave a little more credit on your beard. They're eh that's very nice Chelsea thank you. They're Nice Valentine's Day cards Let me see what else here this is from. Kenneth who joins us is from Bradenton Florida. The only reason the media is making an issue about this is because jeeter was a Yankee if he played for any other team no one would be making a big deal about this. Paulie pointed pointed out eight. Riders didn't vote for CAL ripken and nobody said Boo. Let's glue says thank you for recommending the Hamilton musical. Several years ago just played in Nashville. I went to see at based on your recommendation. It was awesome. Thank you. You're welcome you know. I went to see Hamilton twice the original Kenya. Rachel this stay in sports history. What do you have for me? Paulie got a few of them. Nineteen fifty one Fidel Castro Astro. Crafty left hander. Ejected for a Winter League Baseball game after hitting a batter. He later gave up baseball for politics. Is it fee. Dell or Fidel. FIDEL IS FIDEL FIDEL. Okay and he. He's dead but baseball player. He was yes by the Washington senators. I think right. Did they draft left Fidel Castro. The irony I think the political nine hundred eighty two Reggie Jackson not a communist and was afraid of the time ended five season with New York Yankees when he signed signed a four year. Deal with the California angels ninety-three the Houston became the first NBA team not to score a point and overtime. They lost the Portland Trailblazers. There outskirts seventeen means zero and overtime period. anti-israeli Bjorn Borg retired from tennis. He had won five consecutive Wimbledon's retired before the end of twenty seven. This is a great one the day in Sports History Kobe. Bryant scored eighty one points against the Toronto Raptors second highest point total in NBA History Wilt Chamberlain hundred points in a single game. Nineteen sixty two you. Don't we have Jalen rose on every year at this time just to remind him that in L. Jalen because Jalen goes. I wasn't the only one gardening I paid. I asked to Clyde Frazier what I was thinking but I asked him when Pete Marriage went into the hall of fame and I went to cover that. And while Clyde Frazier was there for the ceremony and I said didn't you guard Muravich. The Ninety scored sixty the eight. And everybody you know everybody's throwing out compliments you know when you're talking to these players I said didn't you guard marriage when he had sixty eight against you guys he goes. I wasn't the only one guard him and I said that's when I hear Jalen rose when somebody has a big night. You're not the only guy guarding him. Yeah Paulie can anyone named to the other starting in line of players for the for the two thousand. Six Los Angeles Lakers when Kobe Bryant had eighty one points. mclovin was it smush. Parker on that team Parker had thirteen. He was a second leading scorer. I need one more player. There's names you would know Cedric Ceballos. ooh That's not bad ad I think he's gone by that. Because Dell Three fifteen years off gestalt their Lamar Odom smush Parker kwami Brown and Chris Ma'am. AM Lami Brown. Oh Chris Mihm Tennessee. Kobe should've said after the game. A score eighty one with the guys that you need to average. But that's the reason why he was still in there. It was a close game name right so he wasn't one of those blowouts. It was. Yeah it was a let me check. It was a four point game at the end of the third quarter La was up four points on Toronto. Jalen Rose Chris Bosh Mike. James Mo- Pete and Matt Bonner who Peterson Matt Bonner. I mean eighty wants to be easy against those five but at what point do you say I think Kobe's the only ones shooting here. Maybe we need to guard him with a couple of other players. It's like when Travis Kelsey gets opened and I go single coverage again Okay I can guarantee San Francisco probably going to have double coverage with Travis Kelsey and tyreek Hill. I would but that's just me and we watch that against the Texans and I went single coverage John Travis Kelsey. They're gonNA keep doing it I think they're going to keep doing it until they finally shut him down and that did not work. Yes Koby had fifty shot attempts in his last game per sixty point. Yeah Michael Jordan had forty nine. That's the most attempts an NBA game. How many shots did Kobayashi take in the eighty one point did he put up? Forty checking hold on. Probably do forty. Probably mid Thirties forty-six shot attempts. They up. Maybe he was. He was twenty-eight for forty six sixty one percents that's okay. He's also seven to thirteen from three and he had eighteen to twenty free free throws so he didn't just shoot a lot. He shot very very. Well Yeah Eighty one. I think we'll see it in our lifetime. I think we'll see somebody get back up there because it just feels like everybody. We showed a shot chart seen found this and shot chart from two thousand one two thousand two and a shot chart. I believe from last year. Is that right Seton. Grad says the twenty twenty nine thousand nine hundred nineteen season. It is fascinating if you look at the shot chart it looks like the logo for Scott Van Pelt show. It looks like he's got his you know there's a lot of volume from the corner and then you have the three point line and then you have it's either threes or right dunks and and so in the in the paint it looks. Like van Pelt snows and then in the corner it looks like his headphones and then his bald head at the top of the key with all the three point shots. It's it's remarkable marketable. There's no there's no mid-range jumpers none. We're showing it right now. There's like there's like four shots that look like they would be considered sittard almost mid range. Don't put everything is is on the perimeter. It's the top two hundred shot locations in the NBA. Can't these are the top up. Two hundred most popular commonplaces that people shooting from right now there. There's there's no mid range jumper Dole none. Could you imagine somebody taken that top of the key shot right now like regularly. There's no way well durant does this. But drains not playing durant durant taken the mid range jumper Larry Walker got into the hall of fame and I thought he had an interesting quote. I'll have that for you coming up when we come back also got another stat out of the day and the NFL in Vegas. What could go wrong man overboard and that for you coming up next? Do you own or rent your home. 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Thank you for downloading subscribing at of course supporting and now back to the show Derek. jeter course got in and and of course someone had the audacity to not vote for him. You know one vote shore to becoming the second player in history to be on one hundred percent of the ballots. It's funny though. That's the worst thing that ever happened. A dictator I know. Well the Marlins got the hall Pat I would if it was the Marlins beat writer who didn't vote for for junior and I'm not I don't I don't know that just threw that out there but you know you had all these other guys who didn't get named there I don't know at what point did the writers writers go. You know what we were running out of excuses we should put somebody in there and give them all the votes Marian Rivera. If it's not cal ripken China. who was like? You're just beloved and nobody had a problem with you. Who would that be giving all time? Who should be one hundred percent? Well no there's a lot of guys who should be one hundred percent just because there is no argue. There's no argument for Babe Ruth not being one hundred percent. He quitted the pitcher now now Babe Ruth probably would have if he just pitched he probably would've won over two hundred games because he had I think ninety eighty something and then he stopped pitching mclovin. I think my Guy Mike Schmidt would be one hundred percent today screen player think Wayne would probably be one hundred percent. I think thera bunch of these guys were right there. If Mario Jeeter hundred there's team players last thirty years right there griffey to probably seaver. Oh Babe Ruth was basically a pitcher for five seasons and then became a full-time hitter. He was ninety four and forty six seasons where in eighteen twenty three twenty four. And it's pretty good. Larry Walker Larry Walker is going to be that Trivia. Answer when somebody says who else went in with Derek. JETER that year the JETER got robbed and didn't get one hundred percent. It'll be Larry Walker here. Is Larry Walker talking about the honor of getting in with Derek. JETER as great as Derek is. I'm kind of going to be like that. Remember those old forty I five. We used to listen to and They had the song on the side of the really. Didn't know about all right For those of you who don't know what a forty five is. That would be where you had a song on one side and then you flipped it over the B. side and it would not necessarily be a big song so you would have the forty five with the hit and then you flip it over and then you'd have another song from the ban but you had the forty five and I was wondering the second. Well what's the best song on a B side forty five of all time because I got two of them and I don't know if there's any any any Song close to these songs on the B side. Hey Hey what can I do by led Zeppelin. I am the Walrus by the Beatles. That's all I have great B side songs on a forty-five Yoshi. I'm not really sure. Why no this But you know it was a tremendously successful Beside for a song was if you remember the Goo Goo dolls. How's that song name? Their first single that broke that was actually the B side to the single that they were pushing there was like they were pushing some other like sort of standard it was almost like a gin blossoms. The kind of song you know that sort of like pop rock rock kind of thing and then when you hit the beside it was this acoustic song. And that's the one that ended up blowing up and becoming a huge single for them any other forty fives the B. Side. Yup Oh ruby Tuesday by the rolling stone. Okay all right. I'll throw that in there in the mix ask talk. I'm looking at Elvis. His side was don't be cruel side be was you ain't nothing but a hound dog was league. I like that Apple. Strawberry fields forever was a b side on Penny Lane Gene. has there been a better forty five in that any all what. That's like Kobe check. I mean that's that's manel title in. May's that's Ruth and Gary Right. They're unchained melody. But a righteous brothers was a b side to a song hung on you which never really took off. Todd I WANNA hold your hand side B. I saw her standing there. That's pretty basic. It feels like any Beatles song that was the B side. Pretty good song except for mclovin. Yes point you can't always get you what you want by the Rolling Stones Nineteen sixty-nine Honky Tonk woman which is very popular was the I remember. You're hearing honky-tonk. I think I was in the eighth grade and I remember. There is a girl Debbie kreps and I just remember. She was spectacular. Debbie craps ABS-. Yes and she had one of those big consoles where she was playing. What you guys call to make that call seventies turn when she said caboose yes got a big console and she would play Honky tonk women and she would dance and I to this day? I I don't know I haven't seen her in probably thirty years somewhere. Debbie crabs if she plays Honky tonk women. God Love You. If you're there with her yes seton. That'd be grabbed counsel. Yeah One thousand nine hundred seventy six kiss. The side was Detroit rock city the beside was Beth. Okay that's a big one bath with Peter Criss. Yeah slaying todd. We are the champions. Nine hundred seventy seven side a side B. We will rock you man. I might the kind of similar songs by the way. They're basically one song that played they go together. Yeah yes see sending this one out to a very special fella because I know right now. He's screaming in his car that we're forgetting this one Nineteen Ninety six the A side was green day. Brains do the B. Side. Good riddance time of your life. Hello yeah I don't. I don't want that Green Day anger anymore. I I couldn't take that. Get that one call. We had. It was really upset with me on my stay in your Lane Green Day. Yes mclovin. Is it fair to say this analogy that. Derek jeter is like the Beatles uh-huh oh I thought he was going to say the B. Side. Not He's he's got a Beatles if Derek jeter was a band is he he's gotta be Sinatra like he's Solo. He's not he's not in a band izzy or do you include Mariano Asada that whole group. They're yeah Paul he's Youtube. He's very successful for a very long time. But nobody's saying who is the greatest band of all time. Nobody says you to music. Wise I don't think they do Yes mclovin. See you too early in their career. They were power hitters Sunday Bloody Sunday. He's more like a penny lane kind of soft and mild punch and Judy it. Does I want to hold your hand. That's dare you want to hold his head. Yes so Derek. JETER playing was sort of early you too but now Derek jeters post career in the front office. That's more of the Bano with the big glasses era. Where they're doing lemon and all of the Europa zero are you still look back and you're like yeah but the play was pretty great? I never understood that Roper tour. And then he came out wasn't the fly I'd when big on Yes taught isn't jeter also like a a Michael Jackson Lionel Ritchie. Anyone that was part of that. That was very successful and then went onto an amazing solo. Career was looked at kind of as an individual great rape. But Michael Jackson stood out as the star of over. The Jacksonville. Jeeter was a few stars right as a pharmacist. I'm of young guys. They hit back. Then Bernie the Sada. I'm trying to think if there's anything else there with With with shooter there's no other show. That's doing this today. Geeta to is notable because of his success with the ladies. I don't know if there's if you play that I mean you can't ignore that. That's a huge part of WHO. Derek wasn't the nineties. In two thousand so jagger with the stone yeah baby yes you the B side to Pearl Jam. Jeremy was yellow ledbetter. That's a great song. Yeah what's the one. That Eddie Vedder vedder says this. This is the longest title in our catalog elderly woman. Small towns little towns Nolan with Damon in Colorado Choices Damon have. Oh my gosh they need just stole my thunder Bro. Like sorry better as the B side. Jeremy Army was going to be my everything. But here's here's what I think. JEETER is Jeeter's Paul McCartney because he went on to have a stellar solo career after came out of that group where you got like Asada is like Ringo repair Is like probably like Lenin or something like that so I think that well. Yeah beside the L.. Better her and I really have to apologize to you guys as well. You're talking about this a little bit earlier about fans being kind of superstitious. Yeah I made a mistake and I think I am responsible for the packers not really showing up against the forty niners because I ordered my yellow weasel. Dan Patrick t-shirt and I didn't pony up for the overnight shipping according to where it for the game day today I just gotTa yesterday. I thought I'd wear it for the Super Bowl. I moved ahead of myself. I have to apologize to so you guys and all the packer fans out there who his name is Damon. If you WANNA give out your email or your phone number for the packer fans to vent with yes look back. ROEHI PACKERS DOT COM. Thank you Damon. Thank you yes mclovin. He's right mccaren guaranteed us McCartney and the marlins are his wings and away. You like that analogy. You See. We're not celebrating. And I want to celebrate how you say you liked the wings. I don't know I'm just saying now we're disparaging sheets allowing the spiritual Paul McCartney's well. I thought that's pretty good next band to go to okay. They were. I don't I'm not familiar with too many there were. They were successful years farm commodity he. He hired his wife. She was in the band Linda. I feel like Lennon's post Beatles songs were a little more memorable than mccartin's Carton's George Harrison was better than both of Post Beatles. Because they wouldn't let George play but Kasahda is ringing. I got this song while my guitar. Shut up George. George get free. Okay George Georgie. Right and See that's why George could you please right. We're working please my sweet lord all well. That's Nice George. Well done you go run along now you go run along until Ringo. We set a low as well. All right Paul. Let's get back to work here. We all live Yoho submarine. We're going to check in by the way it's Happy Zion Day. We're going to check in with my Pelicans my Pelicans. Pelicans are going to make the playoffs. And they're going to face the Lakers in the first round of the playoffs. I don't know what happens after that. 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01/09: Norlander explains why he ranks Kansas lower than everyone else; Final Four + 1 picks led by big Baylor-KU CBS game

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01/09: Norlander explains why he ranks Kansas lower than everyone else; Final Four + 1 picks led by big Baylor-KU CBS game

"Hey there it's scary. It's Thursday January nine two thousand twenty welcome back to the CBS sports. I on college basketball. podcast where we sometimes discuss camel. Oh fighting and leaky Black Matt norlander is here with me and I want to start with New Orleans. Total disrespect for bill. Self you doke as a Buki James naismith with Josh Selby Wilt Chamberlain Darnell Jackson. Sasha con Kirk Hinrich Jillian right ty Sean Taylor demanding going T- Black Charlie b-black freight mason. Jacques von Jo Jo White Mario Chalmers Gale Gordon. Wayne Simian. Perry Ellis Kelly Oubre Paul Pierce Gerald Vic rifle of France Keith. Langford and Isaiah Maass just a complete lack of respect for Kansas in the history of Kansas basketball. You might have seen it. Dead League Norrland or publish. The power rankings on Thursday and he has Kansas the Ku Jayhawks seventh in the country even after they eft Iowa the state in the face on Wednesday night by twenty six points to improve to twelve to with five quadrant. One victories loan losses on the resume or away from home on Wall Street the Duke and Villanova by a total of three points and yet deadly norlander still has sixteen th ranked in front Keynes's dead-leg explain yourself to me these listeners plus Russell Robinson Assuming Russell Wa Robinson is listed right now. Why are you so disrespectful to Kansas dead arm parish? How's that all up for you there? Okay Hey did Michael League in any loved their did I did. I miss out on a Michael least chat out. I Have Charlie teabag black and Charlie black and have. You didn't have talk black. Didn't turn dark black. Did I get either Morris twin in there. I think I considered Heaven Zombie. Henry's not going to get any love dude. Trust me I looked at all these names today though my on my flight home I don't even think you mentioned Devante. Graham did not mention what are you doing do you want to Apolo. Do you want to apologize to these. Kansas legends. Who you just snubbed at the top of this podcast I listen I could could barely get through that entire list? You can only select so many legends. I selected the ones that made me giggle when I saw their names and then in the spirit of I didn't get an opportunity to text column earlier this week because the won't release their ballots in a timely manner anymore. I decided I would take aim at Orlando's power ranking where he is Kansas which arguably the best team in the country seven his power rankings. Explain your self dead-leg sheriff speeds see Mikhail deserve so much better though so I'll take the poll tax treatment. I got no issue with that whatsoever but the power rankings. Do not operate like Abrek allergy or like how you do your polls so do you have my power rankings in front of you right now. No Oh I'd I'd I block them from my computer. I never see him again. Okay boy all right number. One is Duke Duke which ranks number one in basically every predictive metric at this point and Duke which is not lost a game. Dating back to November is number. One number two is Gonzaga Gonzaga which is not as treated as kindly relatively speaking and their predictive metrics but Gonzaga nevertheless sixteen one. That's not lost the game since November number three send you a state which has not lost a game. Number four is Auburn which is not lost. A game number for five is Baylor which has not lost a game since November eighth against Washington and number six is Butler who only has one loss. That came against Baylor Taylor and that came on December tenth and then you get to Kansas at seven Kansas which has two losses more than anyone else on the list and by far the most recent recent loss of any other schools so the power rankings as I assemble them have a recent see bias. They are in effect a hot list. A trend list. A how have you looked looked. How have you played over your past? Four five six seven games overall. Not what you did and what you look like two months ago etc etc that is why the Kansas Jayhawks are seven in the power. Rankings if you had me assemble them tip detail soup to nuts where I think they are as a team. mm-hmm overall in advance of this big time game on Saturday parishes stripping doing this in the dark mark your vampire stripper. I would have Kansas as a top top fourteen minutes worth no doubt about it. So that's that's how it all shakes out. I will accept your explanation Russian of Reecey bias but then remind you the most recent thing. Kansas is did bill. I'll state my beat Iowa state by twenty six six inside Hilton Gals Leeann Iowa. State is a seven seventeen. So I mean that's that's all fine and Dandy but and they've been good their top seven th they've been good but they and you know. The loss is understandable Villanova but it is a law so I'm going to Ding you for that overall. Now I will say this. Kansas Beats Baylor on Saturday. If that happens that's GONNA put K.. You probably fourth minimally. 'cause I would I would. I would vault K.. You over Auburn. Probably all being almost any scenario in that case in certainly over Baylor because Bailey would've lost L. Tumble down. Let me ask you a serious question. How many of the teams that you have in front of Kansas do you? You think. would-be twelve and two against Kansas and schedule. That's good Q. Kansas has played a really solid schedule. And I don't by the way I don't discriminate against schedule so that should be. I should bring because that when you're doing that basically you're then you know import doing bracket ish type stuff and you know I leave that Poems sandbox to play in there. So I think man I tell you what twelve and two I given the strength of. I don't know twelve and two I would not put it past Baylor at this point. Given even how good Baylor schedule has been only has one loss. I think it's conceivable Duke would have that and I think it's Gonzaga. I think those three I think you can reasonably say could be twelve and two against Kansas schedule. Don't quite go there with Butler. Maybe not they were San Diego State and definitely Selena there with Auburn because Auburn has the lease lack of lead opponent. So far I just run through it real quick Twelve and two record five quadrant. One wins that is is more than anybody else in the country. At this moment they've got wins over a Dayton which is number fifteen right now west Virginia which is number seventeen right now Colorado which is number twenty five right now. That's in the a people only losses like I mentioned to Duke and Villanova away from home by a combined three points. They are right now. The Kansas Jayhawks number one in the net number one and tour vic number two it can palm number two and number two in the top twenty five and one in number seven in norlander. That's right they are. You know what I'm GonNa Zagazig and just on a side note. I think this kind of thing is can to be healthy as camera himself tweeted in some discourse with you earlier this week and that it's probably a good thing for college basketball that we don't have true conformity like the purpose of the poll tax. Do serve a real purpose and whatever's going on there. They gotta get that in line the voter ballots. It's need to be public so we'd love to know the real story behind that but a we can't have that kind of tuition. I hope that your call them has not lead for that to happen but it it is good to occasionally get opposing arguments. And not just have all of this falling you know straight step in line. It's y you really you know burrow down here this is why hi this election committee When it opted to retool its its selection and seeing process even though it has a net sorting tool there are still still references to Saccharin and KPI and Ken Palm Strength? The record and beep on the team sheets because they want you pulling from different stuff so in the event that you do you have. And this isn't even voter opinion. This is just either results. Based opinion or predictive. Metrics saying team is the third best team. Is the ninth best. It's allowing you to take different information. which is ultimately healthier for for not just discourse but I think you know analysis and evaluation? I think I can't tell you for sure it. We haven't talked about this on the podcast at all but we were tweeting. A bunch of us were tweeting about it on Monday night they the AP for whatever reason has stopped releasing the ballots a win. The poll has released. A poll. Comes out Monday afternoon ish early afternoon and for as long as I can remember the ballots would be released at roughly the same time if not not the exact same time in college poll tracker Dot Com and I should give those guys a shout out because without them genuinely couldn't do the column because they sort through all all the ballots and it says that you know whoever Michigan is how this high on one ballot. Dislo one one Dalit. You can click on Michigan again. It shows you where everybody voted Michigan. It it is it makes doing that column much easier than it otherwise would be. I don't think I would have the time to do it without college. Poll Trek so shells to those guys but they would always have updated within an hour of of the poll coming out and then on Monday afternoon or Monday night I would dive in and then I'd write that column and then we'd all laugh at some people owner who just was not paying attention so the past two weeks. They have not released the ballots until the next day and have released least him but just twenty four hours later or or thirty hours later or thirty four hours later but but like at some point Tuesday they are releasing them and I can't say that it's because house of the Politics Column All I can say is that the politics column has goofed on. AP voters now for years and IT IS A. There's no other explanation. I can think of why they can't release the ballots the way they've always released the ballots unless it's an attempt to to not have me immediately crap on their poll or at least one voter and so what has happened now like we. We could talk about this off there but I'll just talk about it here transparency and all. That does that call them. Still work on Tuesday doesn't have it Santa Affect their starting about beyond the coming out on Monday even if it's a three four or five hour delay whatever It's it's part of the Monday College Basketball News cycle once you have then by that time. You're getting new rankings teams flying Monday night and then finding out what the afternoon Immuno hours before the Tuesday games it just. It doesn't have the same kind of tension. I agree it doesn't it doesn't seem like it matters anymore. Not perhaps it doesn't matter at all but on Monday the polls come out and I don't care how many people say they don't care about the polls I don't care about the people talk about them and people tweet about them and then if you can immediately or not immediately early but within hours say hey. Here's this dumb thing. I found in the poll that came out today. Well that's the way that column was created. But you do it a day later. It's like Oh Jeez like okay we we're through. We're done talking about eight New People. I don't care about it anymore and then beyond that just on a personal level. I don't have time to do it on Tuesday like when I wake up on Tuesday. Yeah I'm doing the top twenty five and one that I'm D- You know prepping for radio show doing a radio show doing multiple radio interviews on other shows and then going into studio. CBS Sports Network to be there to one thirty in the morning. Like I like I wonder if they figured out my schedule and they said you know what if we were at least on Tuesday afternoon he has no time to write a column. We'll do the afternoon. Therefore the politics column has done. I wonder if undermined me norlander they did. I think you are You are the the the victim of an undermine attempt here. Hopefully they can get back to where it was but yes this has and it has been by the way since we've gotten into the new year notice that it's since it's been twenty twenty. This has been the issue there. So what else does the plot thickens mystery. Deepen we must find out. What are they up to the associated associated? Press to. You know you know the late great. Jim O'Connor would not have stood for this. That's all I know. Ach would not have allowed the politics column L. on to be undermined in this way. So perhaps we'll get an answer like basketball times. Wants to talk to me about the politics call for something they're working on so I'm going to talk to them. I think tomorrow and John Acres so maybe we'll get to the bottom of it. Hopefully their ballots will be released in a timely manner. This upcoming Monday so I can get back to in the kindest way possible. Double goofing on people who do not pay attention to the sport they have signed up to pay attention to but yeah in all seriousness. If you haven't checked out in Orlando the power rankings. Go check them out. We can disagree on. We're Kansas ought to be and I thought it'd be a fun way to make art thing particularly after Kansas did win by twenty six at Iowa state date. And you're right. I was state's not good but that's the worst loss for Iowa state at home in the past seventeen seasons. I mean that was and it wasn't just a loss by twenty six cases. Had him down thirty one with four minutes to go so it was a total beatdown and regardless of what any of computer say a record say the bottom line would be this. Kansas looks like a legitimate national title. Contender I guess that should not be a surprise. They were that on paper in the preseason. But they're really operating at a high level right now. We will get back to them when we get to the final four or and one North Carolina lost again on Wednesday nights. The things are messy in Chapel Hill. We're going to get into that next but first check this out and do you love college basketball if so this is gary cares. Reminding you to watch it on. CBS sports because each week you can watch some of the top games available for free on CBS sports dot com or in the CBS. Sports Mobile APP in this Sunday. It's a big tin showdown between Michigan. State and purdue it's going to be played inside mackey arena so this should be up to half ask the cash Winston and the preseason number one sparks tip is scheduled for noon Eastern. You can watch it on. CBS SPORTS DOT COM or in the CBS sports mobile APP. And don't forget it's free free and I don't mean it's a free trial free if you buy some fancy sports package. It's completely free for everybody. So come check out Michigan State and purdue this Sunday at CBS sports dot dot com or in the CBS. Sports mobile so it was another rough night at the Dean Smith Center on Wednesday tar heels who were ranked ninth in the preseason. People lost a pit final score. Jeff Capel seventy-three Roy Williams sixty five so UNC's now eight and seven overall one in three in the ACC. They've dropped seven of their past ten games there now. Two and four without Colon Anthony with losses at home to Wofford Georgia Tech and pit which means USC has taken in the past three losses at home two teams unlikely to make the NCAA tournament. They're down the number seventy Ken Palm. They're one hundred. Sixth in the the net norlander have you officially pulled the plug on. UNC tournament hopes. Do without a doubt. AC's down. Here's the problem is Even when or if Cole Anthony comes back he's awesome they get on the right track. It's not inconceivable that they make a run but the is actually so poor. In fact team rank Jason Lists of team rankings did a projection earlier this week of every conference and how many bids it should be expected to get at this point projecting to mid March coach and the ACC sitting there like four point seven so not even on the better half of five. I think five is gonNA wind up being the number issue being Carolina's not going to be able to pile up a lot and it's still gonNA take on losses so season's done trivia time. Okay let's go. Oh okay. This is puget season for for North Carolina. It's not the worst in school history. How good is your memories horrid actually But like do you. How much election do you even have of the indisputed? Worst season ever which was oh one. Oh Two under Matt Doherty. They went eight and twenty that season. Like I can remember I was. I was in college at that point. I remember just I have. I've vision memories of adjust. Everyone on just destroying Matt Doherty and Carolina and very much. A sky is falling narrative. If if you will around that because that also coincided with remember the Duke teams a few years before that one the year before one at title but do been awesome awesome and just stood after Stud. Then you started started having like William May and and Luol Dang and Elton brand like one and done guys kind of getting into at that point. So it coincided with that I remember being and just the darkest of dark clouds over. UNC At that point. Do you have any sort of memory or recollection of you. Know the worst of the worst you know eighteen years ago with UNC or is a kind of a fog all these years later. Everything is a fog all these years later. I don't remember anything about it other than I know that it happened and I remember you know after the Matt left North Carolina he was I think head coach. SMU Yeah and then so he was in. I WANNA say the conference USA. At the time and would have been where they were in the same League as Memphis and I was covering memphis so I was around him a little bit then and then when I got the job at CBS. Yes I actually went down to SMU and spend some time with him and now he then he worked in in the NBA. For Minute I believe. And and then he's he's now works in the Atlantic Ten and I'm the MC of eighteen media day I I've spent a lot of time with met over the years and I've I talked to him about his time at North Carolina. So the whatever I remember Probably remember from conversations with him looking back more so than and I remember it in real time. Here's the Trivia time are long winded winding road to get there. There have been one hundred and ten seasons of North Carolina. China tarheels men's college basketball including this one How not including the current one though? How many times do you think? UNC has finished a season in sub five hundred overall. I'd say that's probably happened. Six Times. Norlander it's not a bad guests. It has happened ten ten times only three times when UNC has been a member of the ACC the Owino to season when they were eight and twenty. That happened in fifty four fifty five when they went ten in an eleven and a sixty one sixty two they were eight nine. Dean Smith was to coach that season by the way eight and nine in nineteen sixty one. Sixty two pretty wild route. Schedules were very different back. Then they had some sub five hundred seasons during the the darkest of the dark days the teens nine hundred eleven nineteen twelve nineteen eighteen twelve thirteen fourteen fifteen Legends such as NAT CART. Mel Chick. Doke Fred Boy Your Boy Coaching Carolina Airline back then so we are in danger here of UNC having A sub five hundred season overall and that is a rarity obviously less than ten percent of the time in program history. And I don't believe Roy Williams has ever because it's Williams Jim Boeheim and I don't know who else there's not that many who have coached you know. Ten Plus Seasons in men's Division One and never had a sub five hundred record a five hundred season. I should say Roy Williams lanes is now in danger of that especially if they don't call Anthony back the thing. People don't remember about that. Eight and nine season under Dean Smith is that they were very close very close that season to pull the plug on Dean Smith and replacing him with two year old. Tony now to Tony Hinkle coolest. I knew exactly where you're going with that point break at that point. Tony Hinkle is fifty. Okay what we're talking. He's he's he's he's fifty years old and That season that was what sixty one sixty two so sixty one sixty two tony. HINKLE's he's deep into a Butler career that began in the Mid Twenty S. Tony hinkle fifty two years old. We'll call them. I'm twenty six and fifteen for a look at no twenty eight and twenty two twenty two and six twenty one games total twenty two and six. NCWA how about that. That same season the worst season Carolina History under Dean Smith was the only time Butler made the NCAA tournament under Tony Hinkle. Look at look at this this podcast man. Look at the synergy the full circle nece coming back around fifty year old Tony Hinkle. UNC back. In that day I'll tell you that much you don't tell me don't tell me I lived through it Do you think coal anthony is gonNA come back to this I do. I don't WanNa make this kind of like a weekly speculation kind of thing but I do think he's GonNa come back. He has played in practices. I know the season swirling down the drain here. I get all of that. But with the obvious caveat ep like if he's cleared to come back I think he's going to get back on the floor because I also think he might he might look at as a as a true opportunity to maybe go from the fourth pick to the second pick like maybe that's still kind of out there from draft perspective. I don't find any of these guys locked into their spots at this point so I think so and Since you brought that up real quick and we don't have to spend ten minutes on this The fact that I am Williamson said Jay Rex. PODCAST earlier this week. Like I wonder if this kind of thing gets back to coal and even even if like there's a debate in his mind about this makes him say you know what they're like. I want to get out there and play. 'cause I'm Williamson said. I decided I was returning. I told my mother I was coming back to school and she was. She was good with it and then my Stepdad talked with her. And then Mike Chefs. Came back around again and said Kiddo Kato you have to go. You cannot return to college basketball when you're going to be the number one pick in tens of millions of dollars at your future are at stake here. I thought it was refreshingly Shengli honest from Williamson and I also had a thought earlier today. That was can you imagine how unbearable this season would have been and if Zion Williamson opted to return. That would have been an incredible story. But let's say for whatever reason like he hurt his knee not because he you know tweaks at during an Mba a preseason practice but a Duke preseason practice and he's like never played a game at Duke. I mean it'd be the most insufferable season ever right. We'd go from this Incredible Story of Zion Williamson coming back. The way that he wanted to do it and blowing away all expectations and then he gets injured and he's like out indefinitely we we would be all dead from the magma and after fumes of every volcano take volcano that would have gone off for Zion Williamson to have passed up his pro career return college and if if if he had hurt himself the way he has you know while a member of the Pelicans that's all then. The hot takes would've been rooted rooted in some more sensible traditional sensible stuff like it. I don't think it would be crazy. If Zaim Williamson to guaranteed number one pick in the draft came back to school then got hurt for people. Say this is why you couldn't come back to school. He left seventy five million dollars Nike money on the table. He was the guaranteed number. One picks that contract on the table. I don't think it's crazy to say at that point. It doesn't really matter what your heart wants you to do from a business perspective you've got to go to the NBA Eh. The issue I took with people screaming about him when he went and got hurt. His freshman season was like they were asking him to quit a national championship. Contender midseason like people. Don't what do that I know James Wiseman just did it but like he's far as I know literally the only college basketball player who has ever done that before strictly the quit the team eighteen strictly to focus on the NBA draft midseason particularly. When you're healthy so I thought it was a bit over the top for people to Scream Zaida Duke in February because he was a part of a team and he wanted to be part of that team and he wanted to try to be national player of the year when a national championship? If he would have come back to school and then got hurt. I didn't think all of the stuff you'd hear on I take anywhere else would be at least more sensible. We agree to disagree on the subject. But I don't think it would be outlandish landis to then go on television suggest Zion Williamson should not have been a sophomore income. Yeah that's that's all fine but I'm just glad we're not living in that alternate universe verse because it would have been My goodness can you imagine just like but on the other hand if he if he had opted to return stayed healthy was still healthy. You do could be the unquestioned best. They're not losing to Stephen F.. Austin Duke could be so far and away clearly the best team in America. But that's I duke fans. It's probably just couldn't help but bite their knuckles when they heard Zion say that I I found it refreshing for him to be that honest. Because if you hurt like the pass along but I listened to the Audio of Zion talking with Jj on that and like heartfelt genuine truthful honest like you believe him when he's saying he's like no. I said I was coming back. We were at the deadline. I wanted to return learn. I told him that I was going to do that. And then in the eleventh hour then I had the people around me convinced me. And it's like okay. I guess I just gotTa go. I gotta go and so here we are if you remember are back after the season before he officially declared for the draft. There were some speculation that he might not Some might not remain in the draft. I think it might have been after the PELICANS locked up the number one pick and there was that you know what if he doesn't want to be in New Orleans he might just go back to the school and I can remember talking to people around the program. Then I'll just keep it vague. And they were like he's not coming back to school like they shot it down pretty quickly clearly like they weren't. I can tell you the staff was not holding out. Hope that Williamson was GonNa be a sophomore in college. And obviously he's he's he's not so that the Rabbit back back to quit the only reason I asked you what I asked. You is because I can't help but think we talked about this briefly before that he could theoretically and this will ultimately be a decision he and his father and family. We'll have to make but he could theoretically treat the rest of this North Carolina season the way college football players treat bowl games teams. That aren't in the College Football Playoff Clemson football player. WHO's projected to go in the top? Ten doesn't sit out the bowl game because the bowl games part of the College Football playoff you. You are playing for a national championship. But if Clemson wasn't in a college football playoff situation instead just like in the Birmingham Bowl for some reason. Well then the top ten pick would probably choose to sit that out Cole. Anthony is if we can agree. North Carolina's not going to get to the instantly tournament. Coal Anthony would be returning to a team. Team headed to the Birmingham Bowl. and You wonder if you if you if it's worth doing that again. I won't criticize him if he does it. I won't criticize him if he doesn't it. Make accents the way but I do think that's probably something that's that seeping into his head a little bit like it's one thing to come back and rejoin a top ten team. You know headed to the tournament. It's another thing to come back in and join a team. That's now ranked outside of the top one hundred in that rankings. Let's get to the final four and one if you keep it up up. The current standings are as follows norlander. First Place Twenty four twenty and one which doubles his last class. Just say last there we go last last plays eighteen twenty six and one by the way we did have people checked three ever lots of like people as in like thirty seven of them saying no no and they were they were. They were kind hearted about it. They're like give parishes do. He did pick West Virginia to cover. It was a different in that you guys disagreed disagreed on so I did account for that. After the fact shouts to you you did make you did make the winning pick there and so on. Were We march here. Okay what are we going. I here all right the way it works is I pick out four games and then we pick them against the spread. The spread provided by Kim Palm. 'cause point spreads aren't out yet and the norlander lender get to pick the in one game. We'll take them in chronological order. Saturday noon Eastern. It's number eleven. Ohio State at Indiana Inside Assembly Hall. You can watch it on mm Fox. Ohio state is minus three. According to Kim Pa Ah last stayed at Indiana hooters. Getting three at at home. Archie Miller said on Wednesday night. 'cause I've done. A story was reporting earlier in the season. Archie was adamant adamant an an optimistic. That they he would have an eleven man rotation. And that's like that's extremely hard to do if you're legitimately playing eleven dudes north of you know ten minutes a game name. That means someone's getting more than thirty. It's a super hard balance. But he wanted to do it but now he's he's walking that back he doesn't know if he can pull that off here I'm going to GP like Indiana's China's kind of Quirky team states slumping. I'm GONNA take the hoosiers kidding three here at home it it feels like a game. That's going to be decided in the final twenty twenty five seconds. I'll take Ohio state minus three but obviously they they are slumping. They have gone on from being according to the computers. The best team in the country to something less than that now on a three game losing streak in Indiana most most recently got into a fight with northwestern at assembly hall which was not supposed to happen. They're just three claire not an actual fight. But I know what you're you're saying it wasn't actual. I must have missed that video finally got an actual fight northwestern twelve and three right now. They've got that win over. Florida stayed at home but lost to Arkansas at home and like I said struggled with northwestern at home on Wednesday night. Here's something that's interesting. I went back and looked at. RT's Dayton teams. His last four teams at Dayton finished. Forty second forty. Second fifty ninth and thirty ninth. That can bomb in his first. Three teams at Indiana seventy. I fifty second and the one right now. is currently forty third third better team. One way or another Dayton at least arguably had better teams Dayton than he has had had it Indiana so far. But if you're looking for a positive at Indiana they do seem to be getting better every year even if they're not as good as any fan wants them to be I. You're seventy first second year right now. Forty third so trending in the right direction. We'll see if they keep it going. But I got Ohio state minus three. You Got Indiana plus three Saturday one PM. Am Eastern number four Baylor at number three Kansas inside Allen fieldhouse you can watch it on. CBS America's most watched networks. The network stars Kansas minus nine according to Kim Talk. That's a big number so we obviously don't have the real line. Mike guests when this goes up is going to be Kansas minus six and a half but we will play off the nine number here Couple notes quickly on Baylor has never won at fog Allen fieldhouse in school history o so in Seventeen is only twenty four lifetime on the road against top five teams in. Kansas is a top five team this season. And this will be Baylor's fourth time being involved evolved in a top five match wherein it was ranked in the top five of the people in his opponent which ranked in the top five in the AP poll. It's Oh in three in those games so it's looking to To legitimize itself I think as an elite tea within the context of this season and a win at Kansas would certainly do that and also put Baylor on a just firm secure sure track to a one C C Kansas going to get us return down in Waco. And we'll see what happens in that down down the road here but Baylor if it was able to get an outright win here That's the kind of like real headline-grabbing big story off the weekend. I would think barring anything outrageous that would be maybe even lead the Sunday night. podcast with so I will take the bears Jerry. Butler's star about sixteen and a half a game really good Defense Kansas. This defense a little bit better. I will take the bears to cover cover nine. If it was six and a half I might. We'll vacillate a little bit more but I will definitely take the Jayhawks to continue to win yet again and keep Baylor with the Bagel and the w column at the Faulk. Yeah we're playing with a nine point spread. I'll take Baylor plus nine as well but I do think when the when the numbers actually posted. It'll be slightly smaller than that by the way at four. Oh two Donnie. On twitter. He finished the updated. Scott Drew Bill Self Allen fieldhouse results. What's IT turns out that Bill Self has lost thirteen times at Allen fieldhouse? He's been the coach there since two thousand three. He's all thirteen times inside Allen. FIELDHOUSE and Scott drew has lost twelve times inside Allen. fieldhouse could get even Saturday. It could even have Kansas win Saturday. Scott and bill will once again have the same number of losses inside Allen Ville House so we'll keep Keep an eye on that. For Sheriff Saturday four PM Eastern Syracuse at it number eighteen for Jinnah Inside John Paul Jones Arena. You can watch it on. ESPN VIRGINIA MINUS Seven. According to pink. Kim and I only bring this up because I want to talk about Syracuse a little bit because we haven't really done that at all this season but they're like legit not good and you don't know what that as long as I know I was like. Why are we doing this game because do you? I don't know why more people like everybody talks about like on TV last night. It's constantly may in North Carolina struggle. Because it's like why do people talk about Syracuse. Drug Circus. A big brand with a hall of fame coach. Sarah struggling struggling to accuse. Let's do okay so let me let me pull my drawers down. They lost off two straight at home to Notre Dame in Virginia Tech Buddy behind by the way second on the team in field goal attempts. I'll let you make that what you want This might be the worst. Syracuse team team champions ever coached and he's been the coach at Syracuse. Since one thousand nine hundred seventy six I wasn't even alive in one thousand nine seventy six It yeah no it might be I just mentioned and you probably already forgotten this but I mentioned it like twelve minutes ago. Jim Boeheim has never finished a season below five hundred in his career at Syracuse. So that is in danger here going. I mean. I was at the season opener in which Virginia went to Syracuse and one four hundred thirty four and Jim Bay high made headlines because he was not happy whatsoever so ever with having to play not only a conference game but a conference game against the reigning national champions. In a coach like Tony Bennett and now Syracuse on the return trip this. I'm surprised it's only seven here now. Virginia's offense is just terrible and I actually as we record this year of transparent. I did not get the latest on the Braxton situation because he went down late. Virginia's loss Tuesday night against Boston College so without him being available that impacts. Virginia's offense even more he's already had a wrist injury earlier this season. But you're right. Syracuse is down its way down. It's it's not even in the conversation to be. Nit hopeful at this point and now three of its next four. Come on the Road Virginia. Home to be at Virginia Tech at Notre Dame mm-hmm so yes it can definitely get a lot worse before it gets a lot better. And here's the thing like it's not just that it's bad now. Like Roy has a bad team right. Now he had a number one seed in the tournament last season Syracuse has lost at least thirteen games in five straight seasons and seems like it's on like no way that I ain't GonNa do it again this season. So it's GonNa be six straight seasons of at least thirteen losses. They've got that fluky. Final four in two thousand sixteen after going nine and nine in the ACC and they made a sweet sixteen in two thousand eighteen after going. Eight and ten in the ACC. So I think that has sort of mass did a little bit like makes it look a little bit. Because you're like Oh. They went to the final four born all they were in the sweet sixteen but they were not good in those years. Either my point being they've been trending downward for a little while. Now Jim Seventy five years old. It just looks like we're not to say anything more about it but it just looks like he's headed for a rough ended the career situation where maybe right now. It doesn't look like Mike Francesa's and it doesn't look like Roy. Williams is by the way they've got the number three class in America. Signed right now with three five stars. North Carolina's GonNa Reload. Really quickly do custodial Duke. As my friend and colleague Famously said but Syracuse I. It's not just at the bad now is that they've been trending this direction and I don't really have a Serb too many great reasons to think it's going to get much better going forward. All right I will take Virginia seven here with a solid amount of confidence. Are you with me. I'm GonNa Take Virginia Seven. They'll probably win the game like twenty one to ten but they wanted to stay in. Virginia wins the game. Twenty one to ten. I'll even give you thirty one. Twenty six. We're starting the podcast on Sunday with that over under doesn't crack sixty total points. Do you do you realize we have probably never been closer to Virginia winning a game. Thirty one to ten in our lives than we are right now because they are literally the best defensive team in America in one of the absolute worst offensive teams in America. GEICO vexing. They are and Yeah they're like they're like post rock for college basketball. I don't even get it all right. What's your fourth game Saturday four? PM Eastern Market at Seton Hall inside the Prudential Center you can watch it on CBS sports network. I'll be on sidelined duty inside the Prudential Center Seton Hall L. Minus Seven according to Ken. Palm terrific. Little game here look forward to seeing you there and yeah this is a this is a good one. Marquette has has been weird as of late it lost in overtime in a really entertaining game on Tuesday night against Providence which has yet to take an L. in league play Marcus Howard is the leading score in America. That he's at twenty twenty six and a half. I looked at it yesterday. At Twenty six point five per game Marquette did win definitively last week against Villanova a big time win and they were coming off a rough like non-competitive loss against Creighton. There so a a little bit wobbly for the Golden Eagles after a good not great showing in non conference play the only dropped two games but the games were at Wisconsin and against Maryland which were two of the three best teams. They've faced Seton Hall. Got Back into the power rankings. This week number seventeen miles pals been terrific. Seton Hall is operated like a top twelve Defense and a top six offense in. It's six game winning streak which includes Maryland Georgetown Xavier and even at Depaul and so now we got a good one here Seton Hall at home remember. It gave away that great opportunity earlier in the season against Michigan State. I don't think that's going to happen here. I will take take the hall to win it but this just feels close. It doesn't feel like it's the seven point. Difference that palm projected out to be so I will take marquette to cover the seven okay. I'll take seton hall minus seven because my role on games that I have to attend as I just go with the home team so I don't have to hear about it from anybody That's that's a that's a fine reason. Okay my game. Fifth Game I'm going to go. I don't WanNa go with here. Fire half the Syracuse thing has got me totally twisted. All right. We'll go with. We'll go with the Sunday game on. CBS Michigan stay. A At purdue. It's a noon tip now again. We are recording this Thursday night here in advance of some of these results being finished. Because you boys GonNa try and get to bed early and Me and my very much alive leg are GonNa are GonNa Stella Ski Day on Friday here so we don't know what Michigan State will have done or purdue but regardless purdue is projected as a three point dog on Sunday. CBS noon tip before the NFL Games. Come mackey arena you know. GP It's going to be bumping there you're gonNA Trust Sparty road spot to cover the three. I am going to trust Michigan state minus three on the road. Apologies Jerry Palm and Julie Villanova. Well you'll be You'll be thrilled to know that we genuinely A split on this then because I do have purdue being able to cover I think produce GonNa win the game outright there now produce weird in. We're no it's been a metrics darling all season. It's lost six games already as we record this. It's got a road game game against Michigan. Could well lose that one as well to be nine and seven. That's I don't know how good this team is. The big ten's so good that it's I here's my projection on purdue I think that produce GonNa wind up with something like nineteen total wins at the end of the big ten tournament through through the season and they are going to because the big ten so good they're going to have amassed so many quad one and two wins that they're going to have like nineteen wins and still wind up with like an eight seat. I think that's ultimately where they're gonNA land but I just find them to be bitching because the offense has Paloma -ted without without outboard The eighty third this season and with Carcinomas last season it was fourth in America. One hundred and twenty two point five adjusted offensive efficiency. This season all the way down to one zero four point nine. That's a big problem but I play a faith play there. I'll take purdue two straight up beat Michigan State and you'll take sparty minus three. Yeah they've they've only lost once at home Purdue and that was to Texas a long time ago obviously Texas now Head in the wrong direction having back to back games to Baylor and Oklahoma Oklahoma so Michigan state purdue on CBS on Sunday. We have some breaking news as we're recording this podcast did you see this as it The school in the Pacific northwest. I it is Washington Sophomore Point Guard Quality Green has been ruled academically in eligible according to Percy Allen of Seattle Times which is obviously like a big deal to to Washington that he's averaging eleven. Think whatever you wanNA think about him. He's averaging eleven point six points per game in thirty four point the mcshea gotta right thirty point four minutes per game. So he's a he's a meaningful player and I will tell you. It is incredible. How a student athlete could become academic academically ineligible after? You're already on campus. I mean you are set up to succeed. I asked a college coach one time if I hear about a a a student athlete getting ruled ineligible. After he's already on campus what should I assume and the coach said you should assume that he would not go to class. He just would not do any of the things that you ask them to do. Because there's so many study halls and tutors and everything available to them like it really is difficult to to to to not get your work done to the level that you need to get it done and so I don't know the specifics of this. I WanNa be clear about that. But but generally speaking thing somebody being academically ineligible after. They've already been on campus. It's generally speaking. It's rooted in laziness genesis or an unwillingness to do the work. Hey Abby quick with this L. also since Washington schools are on quarters. And so he might not. I don't know if this means he's done for the season or not because they don't go on semesters so this might mean that he isn't eligible until the next quarter begins and I don't know what he'll have to do or if he's even able to get himself in good enough standing but because of that. I got the answer for you right here okay. They are on a quarter system. Some he's ineligible for the winter quarter that ends on March thirteenth. Okay now the question becomes can he. So that'll be the end of the regular season and then around impact tournament time. Can he get himself back in good standing in Washington tournament can he get back in uniform from a strictly on the court perspective. It feels like Washington doesn't need him because Isaiah sorts of big down low. Jane mcdaniels you know kind of a floating wing type nausea. Carter's awesome fun to watch. But he's not a ball handler and so they don't have anyone that what is position to really run that offense at least from what we've seen outside aquatic green. You take them out of the lineup. There we'll see how that can impact The huskies here who are eleven and for can make the NCAA tournament I'd say they're probably tracking toward that now. Not like a a a a surefire case but Again yet another team. There's playing later tonight They play against Stanford and that's that's suddenly That's a big time dealers and by the way that's exactly why we found out now because they will schools Often hold that information until the last possible moment we get it in advance of the Stanford game there and so on and so on we go but that is not insignificant news. We just have to wait and see if it if wind being the difference between Washington being tournament team or one that goes to the it a remember Marquette in Seton often the prudential center is Saturday on. CBS sports network is part RB quadruple header. So make sure to check that out quadruple header on CBS sports network. I'll be on sideline for Marquette Seton Hall. Shasta Devon Downing shots shouts to Chester South Carolina to tear your frontiers alleged chested on l.. Please go subscribe to the college basketball. Pack that's Apple Pie rated favourably five. I stars Nice comments. 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Hour 1 - Fran Fraschilla (01-22-20)

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Hour 1 - Fran Fraschilla (01-22-20)

"Thank you for listening to this. podcast one sports net production available on Apple podcast. And podcast. One you own or rent your home sure you do and I bet it can be hard work you know what easy bundling policies with GEICO GEICO makes it easy to bundle your homeowner's or renter's insurance along with your auto policy. It's a good thing too because you're ready have so much to do around your home. GO TO GEICO DOT COM. Get a quote and see how much you can save. It's GYCO GEICO easy. Visit GEICO DOT com. Today that's GEICO DOT com once again. It's GEICO easy. Visit GEICO DOT com today GEICO DOT com broadcasting. I'm from the Mercedes Pancake. This is Dan Patrick. Well happy I on Day. Yes It's officially Zion Williamson Day. You've watched watch the SPN the last week or so. You probably know cy on Williamson is making his debut for my Pelicans coming up tonight. Mothership has been frothing at the mouth pumping up the the game because they need something. Hey Zion's back there's a reason to watch a game. National Ratings are down the NBA clearly thought that the rookie out of Duke was going. The league's must see player. They had the Pelicans on a couple of times. There've been a couple of teams golden state. Hey we got a marquee matchup that would have been a marquee match up. If guys didn't get hurt but will be an action tonight and the question is how much will he play. IS HE GONNA get caught up in. The moment is going to average twenty points the game this year now by the way Pelicans. You're playing great. My pelicans started out six and twenty. Two and I was excited this year. I thought they could be a playoff team. And they can be they One again beat Memphis. And now they got the Spurs. I'm looking at some of the numbers here and I'm impressed by what I've seen. Lonzo ball is played well. Jj Rhetoric is play well. jrue holiday played well Brandon. Ingram played well. Now you get Zion back. Maybe the eighth seed how. `Bout the pelicans against the Lakers to open up the playoffs. Maybe I'm getting ahead of myself. Yes seton there's probably probably not too many people like myself. That actually care about this but man Brandon Ingram finally figuring it out he just becoming star struggles at the Lakers for a little wildly overrated. Is he a bus all the stuff. Now he's working his way into an all star. He's playing well just to come in and say all right. Thanks Buddy. Yeah later yeah. Hey that's right Brandon Ingram. He had a pretty good season. How about Zion? Even Lonzo ball on so ball is playing. Well the kids like to say he's balling out. I'm I'm really impressed by what he's done. Now he's GonNa be known for throwing Alley oops eighteen. It's okay it's okay. I just want him plan UPTEMPO. Let him go get him out of his dad's ads. No Line of vision and let him play a little bit. They've they've done well all right. So Zion's debut as I mentioned that Zion makes his debut coming up tonight against the spurs the big news. You had the hall of fame. We'll talk about that in a moment yet. The Kansas Kansas state brawl in the stands it got ugly could have gotten really ugly. We will talk to France for Shila. Espn College Hoop analyst. who was on the call last night for that game how it got out of hand at the end of a blow out there? I know. It's a rivalry game but that could have really really been disastrous but We'll talk about that coming up by the way you can get in touch with the program variety of ways you can dial us up eight seven seven three. DP show email address GPS. Dan Patrick Dot com twitter to EP. Show say good morning to our radio partner. Good morning and our TV partners be our live and direct TV audience Channel Two thirty nine Derrick jeeter just got into the hall of fame. They barely squeaked. Weekdays only one person failed to vote for Derrick jeeter. Oh my God. I'm upset as what I got yesterday from the Yankee fans around I hear you can you believe jeeter didn't get one hundred percent I go. Did he get in. Yeah jeeter better than Babe. Ruth Joe Dimaggio Willie mays no. I can't believe you didn't get one hundred percent. Marianna Rivera messed it up for everybody. He got one hundred percent. I couldn't care less. What your percentages they don't show that on the plaque in cooperstown the only thing I would want to know in this will turn into a witch hunt or you the writer who didn't vote for Jeeter? I just want to know why you didn't like. What did you factor in or not factor in or? Did you use that. Vote for somebody else that you thought what made. They were more deserving since it's later in their run on the ballot. Maybe maybe you vote to Larry Walker. I don't know but I'd just be curious. But it will turn into a witch hunt and that's unfortunate here Jeeter I. I was surprised when Jeeter said this will play the clip. That jeeter was actually nervous yesterday. Hey I don't like to jinx anything so I never liked to talk about. I try not to pay much attention to the news. You know everyone say al.. Well it's a foregone foregone conclusion like you said but I never looked at it that way because this is something. That's very difficult you talking about one percent of the players that have ever played this game. Get into the hall of fame so It's very humbling. Yeah there was no surprise which eaters just a question would he go in on one hundred percent of the ballots and whatever the criteria is when you vote. There's a lot of the older guard wouldn't put anybody in first ballot. You know it was just their way of saying. Hey We control control your happiness and the rest of your life here you know. Hey Babe Ruth never got for okay we got all of that but if you use that vote for somebody else that you you thought might have needed it more than jeter then fine but I I the only Yankee fans role upset Larry Walker got in. I was happy. I think that he was a great player You know started out in Montreal. He was with Colorado Saint Louis and maybe this breaks that glass ceiling of players players who played in Colorado. Maybe Todd Helton gets into the hall of fame. I'm all about celebrating. I am I know that we get to this point where we start to. You know compare. Compare contrast criticize Larry Walker was a great player dare jeeter obviously a great player. Curt Schilling should be in the hall of fame. I'd I'd like to know why people don't vote for Schilling. I'm more curious about that than the one person who didn't vote for Derrick jeeter. Because you can't tell me you wouldn't want curt Schilling Schilling on the mound in a big game. There's nobody who can argue that. Can't it's all about his politics. That's what this is about you. You know if you play Nice with the writers you got a better chance of getting into the hall of fame you really do. I mean I can. I can point out guys that weren't great with the media and you can see see where it's hurt them a little bit. Jeff can't was a great player. Jeff Cans not getting into the hall of fame because he wasn't user friendly. Scott Rolen got a lot of love yesterday yesterday. I I. I don't think Scott Rolen a hall of Famer. He was a very good but I don't I don't view that you know it's always interesting. The politics of the votes here and somebody who's going to speak on your behalf. But they're jeeter. Congratulations a wonderful career and Larry Walker is well getting into the baseball hall of fame bonds and Clemens. That's the new. Pete rose bonds and clemens and and hey should they be in the hall of fame. They didn't have that dramatic. Jump so you got two more years. If they're going to get into the hall of fame. I thought that they were going to get a little bit more of a bump and then they would get into the hall fame. Maybe next year feels like chilling next year. Getting into the hall of fame I hope Omar Vizquel gets into the hall of fame. I don't know who will be new on the ballot next next year. Did you see that mclovin of now attack. Okay because it felt like there were a lot of guys who got a lot of votes this year whereas sometimes you go. We're only voting for one guy this year or one guys getting in. And that's all but I was. I liked the fact that there were guys down the ballot. Who got some love? Yeah pulling why do you think there's so much anger over cheater because lots lots of great players players who are way way better than Derek. JETER didn't get in first ballot. First ballot didn't close to a hundred percent of the vote. You can go through them. Tony gwynn seventeen. People didn't vote for Tony. Gwynn his worst season his career with three nine he had three seventy two at age. Thirty seven seven. I mean it's not even close but okay what's different now. But if the man who saved Baseball Babe Ruth the greatest greatest player who won nearly one hundred games pitching and of course everything he did. Offensively did that have to do with what who said I. I don't know if Babes done enough. Eleven people didn't vote for Babe. Ruth yes that's what that's my curiosity I just WanNa know. What your criteria is? You can have your cheer opinion. It's your ballot. I okay. That's fine I just WanNa know years from now when you're explaining this your kids or grandkids that you didn't vote for Derrick very jeeter. What are you going to say yes he? There's eleven writers in nineteen thirty six. Who screwed this up for? Everybody is really what happened. Eleven guys that Babe Ruth was rude to or maybe I'm GONNA guess he wasn't a very nice guy actually hang around. Yeah pull cal. Ripken might be beloved of any player of our generation because because a I think cal ripken's more beloved nationwide than Derek. JETER is there jeeter's a Yankee Great. Our Kim was like an American great. Yeah he was he was iconic. Okay eight eight people didn't vote for CAL ripken junior but no one had a problem with it. At the time it's attrition of the upper upper echelon well there is the. There's the one percent of the one percent because jeeter talked about being part of the one percent going into the hall of fame. I've said this before and I just I want to get into the hall of fame that's it. There's different floors. I put guys on different floors if you did. Just the voting totals and you said all right jeeter's in the penthouse the house and of course if you don't have any he's got company and he's got other ball players there with it but if you want to do the one percent of the one percent fine I'm okay but they don't put your percentage on your plaque. You're in the hall of fame. Larry Walker feels as has good if not better than Derek. JETER does today with the same honor yes mclovin carrying the mechanics of how they decided. We're going up to one hundred liked. It's the Tim Kirch and make a bunch of calls and say hey. We're all doing this now. Did the older voters die off like what happened. Why because the biggest votes have been recently Maryono Ken Griffey? I think that I think some of these writers put it out there and now that we know Blake. Your vote is a lot of lot of times. We know who the guy who voted for somebody who didn't vote for somebody with MVP. And I think the fact that you have that guys. I think there's something on the ballot. If you want your ballot to be public blick you can say. Yes a lot of guys do this now. Kenny Rosenthal always tell you these are the guys I voted for. And then there's some writers who say no I'm voting and it's GonNa stay private here and maybe this balanced stays private. I just want to know what you thought. That's all that's all you don't have to. I'm not gonNA shame you. Just tell me what you were thinking. Yup On some people in the media a lot if you want to take this writer out and stone them in the backyard. It's it's they wanna take away his vote they want him But okay based out this new system then that the writers have agreed upon. Where it's you? Vote your conscience. Gotcha you vote that one time. Then it should be a one year eligibility after five years you go up to be voted and then you move on for the rest of your life because a vote shouldn't change right so these he's Tom Ritchie and have a one time voting on each player he won referendum year. One vote. Well I think they also want to do their research on these guys and then if you WanNa do that and make it a five year window and you've got a one and done it still comes down to. You're either a hall of Famer you're not. It's not hey we got to put somebody in. Hey everybody else is in now. You move up a little bit here. I just. You're either hall of Famer. Not if I say the name then you say hall of Famer or not Yarmuk loving. Oh by the way speaking of that. I have next year's class with Mark Burleigh Torii hunter and Tim Hudson enter the fray guy. No they're not getting no they're and that means schilling is going to get a bump Biscay L.. Maybe Scott Rolen and they'll be bumps Beeson jeeter's off the bow to so yes fritzy. We also have aramis Ramirez Shane Victorino. Dan Herron our friend. Barry Zito now they won't get in Alex Rios. Aj Burnett Nick Swisher Grady Eighty sizemore. Thank you todd. I got a tweet. I always think the criteria should be for your votes. Can you tell the story about baseball with or without this person. Yeah I'm fine with that. I've said that before that you start to look at these players in are they worthy of the hall of fame. Can you tell the story without them. The not going to be able to tell the story of if baseball without Derrick jeeter some of the other players that we've mentioned curt schilling if that were the case you can tell the story baseball without Omar Vizquel and I think he's a hall of Famer Aamer. Now you can tell the story without Scott Rowland yes mclovin. I think it's hard for baseball because you can definitely tell the story without Larry Walker. Larry Walker's hall of Famer well but also he was with the Montreal in Montreal is part of the story here because Montreal became the nationals Larry went to Colorado and they've they've had the asteroid speak by all of those stats in Colorado. I think Larry's in the conversation of you tell the story of baseball in Larry Walkers in there because because they run that great team that should have won the world series when they had the strike. Ninety four I believe yes mclovin. Yeah I larry. Walkers are great player I I always look at the current stars. It's funny we look back at these guys. We'll have the next group hall of Famers our show I looked at the MVP. I don't. I don't think half this room can name the top five guys like even what team they're on so like we're all obsessed with the recent past and will be while the president is just acid. Nobody really cares about this group of players do that. Yes paulie it's weird. I'm just going back to the jeeter thing. Magli Ordonio remember him realize player with the White Sox Detroit Right Tigers. He played fifteen years hit three. Oh nine hit two hundred ninety four home runs Derek. Jeter played twenty years. Hit three ten at two hundred fifty home runs stats only a man don is in Derrick. Jeeter are basically a coin flip new because jeter had the six most hits in the history of the game right. What I'm saying is MEG Leonia plays a couple for more years? He's right next to him. What the point is though that jeeter's all the ancillary stuff which eater puts him first ballot? Yeah he played in New York he won. He was clutch he. There's no stain of controversy surrounding him. I would come up with a better sample or comparison than Magli ordonio about about todd. Helton will todd Helton is going to Colorado though. That's that's the thing yeah mclovin. How can then what how strong? It's his candidacy. I would think Jeff Kent before Scott Role if you said. Hey which ones a hall of Fame Right Jeff. Kent and I'd have to look at the numbers offers with Jeff. You Know He. He played second base and add power. Number's at second base in MVP. He was in bonds shadow there for a while. But I don't see we get into these arguments and then all of a sudden. I'm knocking somebody and pumping up. Somebody else that's fun. BIST program is brought to you by legalzoom. They're we're here to help you out. In the New Year go to legalzoom dot com today into the Promo Code Patrick in the box of checkout for special savings that's legalzoom dot com Promo Code. Patrick legalzoom were life meets legal. And I'm one of those. Let's celebrate baseball because we don't celebrate baseball nearly enough not nowadays. And if you have these players and you're celebrating instead of let's talk about bonds and clemens in Pete rose at this time of the year boring. We've done it. You WanNa put bonds and clements in fine put them in the museum. I'M NOT GONNA go see their plaque. You went to great. They should let the fans vote on this. It's your museum Ziam Glove. It feels harder. Celebrate baseball right now cheating so I mean now the new scandal. We're gotTA have. We'll have this whole debate about Jose. Today it feels a little weird. Steroids are always there. I think that's why people don't want to celebrate sometime. Did you see where the Astros tweeted out their season ending being awards like Oh my God like somebody's got to help them. MVP with the video hookup guy. No the the the trash can hand trash can wanted. Universe Davis a one hundred percent of the vote trashcans. MVP for the Astros. This year runner up was the BUZZER. What are you doing tweeting out? Who was your MVP? So bad yet. And they're getting grief for like not addressing things at all at their your fan fast and now they're gonNA get destroyed come spring training with a bunch of they have to apologize. The owner says they will apologize in spring training. I know. Aj hinch was involved in this. Maybe on the periphery but those players did him a disservice for not just saying hey you know what he doesn't deserve the blame something because Aj hinch took the bullet for these guys and nobody said anything. That's really crappy I we'll take a break. Friend for. Shila was on the call last night Kansas State and Kansas. We'll play those last couple of seconds and what happened after that and what kind of punishment should be doled out in that situation so France for Shila. 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She talked about writing force and she came up with that song and We'll play that for you coming up here in a little bit. mclovin what do you have for me with the poll whole question today. Okay since we're on hall of fame I'm GonNa give you all the there's a group of risers from this year and you can only vote for one of them. These are guys who jumped by double digits in vote percentage. Okay Scott Rowland Gary Sheffield Bill Wagner Billy Billy Wagner. Sorry Bill Wagner's producer. We work that Bill Wagner should be in the hall of fame crafty. Five tool yeah Arbil Wagner Hall of Famer Todd Helton Andrew Jones and Omar vizquel all jump. That group jumped because there was more more spots on the ballot. He's a Lotta guys got recently. Is there one of those guys. Scott Rolen Gary Sheffield Billy Wagner. Todd Helton Andre Jones and Omar Vizquel. I'd have to look at the numbers there. They're all about the same except well. This scale was different. I he's up there to me on the short list of greatest field reasonable. First of all time I remember Gary Sheffield being terrifying was to face. He was somebody that you knew where he was in the lineup. Helton put up some monster numbers but it seemed like every a year that put up great numbers. Everybody would say the same thing planning Colorado planning cores. You don't hear that as much nowadays. Why is that? Have they taken care of the. Baseball's Nolan Aeronautics. Numbers are pretty crazy but nobody. It doesn't feel like we're attaching that an asterisk by whatever numbers you have at course. I have one more question on Jones. Everything was a period where he was like the best fielding center fielder he was great he had he had a great run there but I don't know what his numbers are. You know even Jeff Can Jeff. Kent was a great stick. He wasn't a great fielder and he wasn't user friendly with the media and that's probably why he's not getting much just love for the hall of fame but it's fun to discuss. The problem is is when we start arguing and then you start criticizing then all all I want to know is that one vote voter. Who didn't vote for Jeeter? Just just tell me why then saw and I'm fine with whatever logic you have because I'm sure that there's some logic attached to this. I just don't want a witch hunt. Here we'll talk to Fran for Shila. Espn College basketball analyst. He was on the call last night. Kansas Kansas state in this is how it sounded courtesy of Learfield. IMG GETS in the face of the wildcats who stole the ball is he was tied to dribble off talk. He Post arises the cats and now there's a swamp lawyer so both sides of each other on now they're running into the the handicap section behind the basket. There are fans involved trying to separate the wildcats this ugly as the student section section during the wildcats were trying to get one more play. Paddock blocked by Subbiah. Dissociate ended the game and it Silvio stared down at the wildcat just rejected which I believe was. Let's bring in Fran for Shila. He was on the call last night. Fran thanks for joining us. was there anything leading up to this. Was It chippy. I know it's a rivalry game. Did you see anything that preceded this. No Dan The only only thing is there's a common etiquette as you know in basketball when the team is up in the dribbling out the clock and the young man Gordon from Kansas State Freshman Really Competitive Chicago player. Two year. Last year he steals the ball from Desouza to soza runs them. Down makes a great block doc and then the the Soza stance over Gordon And that's when the melee ensued a little back story here. The Soza is the young man who has gotten involved in Kansas involved with all this. NCWA stuff as you may know. He's not playing much. He's out of the rotation it was in the game way. You know amateur psychiatrist. I think he just brushed was frustrated with the whole situation and it escalated when he stood over the case day guy it was pushing and shoving and then he went Mike Tyson on everybody so it was a it was a wild scene for sure now. I can look at this from a variety of angles literally and figuratively. But when I start to think of the assistant coaches keeping their players on the bench did was there a situation nation where the players were told to back off. I believe Bruce Weber. Kansas State's head coach said you know. Hey let's ease off here. We're getting blown out here. Is that a Bush league steal given the score of the game. Let me start there. Yeah Yeah No. It's it's funny. I talked to a couple of coaching buddies of mine this morning. And it's it's it's not good etiquette. Let's put it that way I get the competition bill. Bill self was fine with the play. Said Look my guys gotTA protect the ball. You're still being guarded. And you're playing a team. where the coaches you know? Hey we're gonNA play a whole forty minutes and never gonNA give up until the horn goes off. He kinda got to be prepared for that but Ah Basketball Etiquette You you let the game dribble out I would have picked up that way Illinois play where the kids steps on the guy's chest. Yeah Kind of Christian Leitner like if you remember back Do Kentucky and I would. I would show my team that and say look you know. We haven't gone over this play particularly but but this is how we're GONNA handle this. You never try to steal it when you're up and It's it's something that both coaches. I was at the press conferences Dan. They were very very contrite schools. It's an embarrassment the best analogy I can give you is that I've called seventy five games in Allen fieldhouse and I call all at the Saint Patrick's Cathedral of call of college basketball. It's hollow ground. Imagine going into Saint Patrick's on Fifth Avenue. And you're going in there to light a candle and you know sit down and say a prayer CEO Rosary and a brawl breaks out in Saint Patrick's Cathedral. That's how jarring it was last night. It's it's it's the least likely place you would expect something like this even given the rivalry because of the You know the class of the Kansas Program. What kind of punishment do you dole out here? Well I was harsh last night and I said I think the SOS is GonNa get. I wouldn't be surprised if suspended for the season in part because and by the way the hero here as assistant coach Kansas Jared's Howard who took took the stool away away from that because you can only imagine what where we'd be today if he hit somebody over the head and someone's in critical condition so thank God it seems like nobody was hurt but I A major suspension will come down from the League office. I'm sure by later today. And if it's if it's ten games if it's it's the season Billet Judicata properly. I think couple of other guys on both teams will be suspended for the next game. And the sad part about this Is College game. Day comes into Allen fieldhouse on Saturday for the big. Yeah so you know how we already. SPN This is. This'll this'll be top of mind. We'll be running to replace back more than a brutal film and And unfortunately and we really. I'm telling you man then. I know how much you basketball. There's no place like Allen fieldhouse. Yeah the fans are great their class even in the rivalry they treat the case date with relative respect given the rivalry. Just an unfortunate that situation. That just spiraled out of control. I think in part because the young man's frustration with not playing much. You speak of Allen fieldhouse. I thought so much of the building I paid for my own way out there to watch a game when Kansas host Jason Kidd and cal I just wanted to see a great game there i. I went out just to watch the game and of course to see Jason Kidd Against Kansas. We're talking to a friend of the mothership this weekend. ESPN will be broadcasting asking big twelve SEC challenge tipping off at noon eastern West Virginia Missouri. And then I stayed at number nine Auburn on. ESPN can you. I the thing I thought about today after listening to everything that happened last night seeing the highlights last night is is this enough for bill self to you just go. I think I'm going to leave college basketball. You're under investigation. You have this you. You're going to go into the College Basketball Hall. They're going to go into the basketball all hall of fame. Yeah do you see him going and taking over. Let's say the San Antonio Spurs well I don't see the spurs that's too logical. You know I know the relationship. RC Buford. But I've told people you know Gregg Popovich got acolytes all over. NBA guys that worked for. Why would why would he not take a guy who and bill is close to their team and their program and His son Tyler is a scout for the Spurs. I don't see that This this uh-huh cw Judicata at the end of the summer. So we don't really know how harsh penalty it'll be the consensus is. It's going to be a very harsh penalty for you. You know for Bill and the program and But I don't see the spurs but I do think this is a you know it's funny Dan Everybody sees bill self the and by the way. He's already in the hall of fame in. Yeah he's a Naismith Hall of Famer Ready You know he's always twenty nine and four and the and they've got great fans and I'm just telling you someone around him a lot You know everybody's got their own issues. This is a major cloud the NCWA thing and eh and now this my gut feeling is he will be in the NBA soon. But it won't be wouldn't Spurs. I could see somebody like Chicago. Bulls or You know somebody see. That's on the way up. And and maybe not as bad a team as the cavaliers be winds over. I will say this the difference between the NBA and college terms. Coaching is like Spanish and Portuguese. They sound alike. They're completely different languages. But but having said that there are only only a handful of guys and my mind maybe three or four at the most that could make the adjustment. That Brad Stevens has bill self as one is one of them He. He is a excellent excellent basketball coach. Who who makes adjustments which you have to do in the NBA He's one of the few guys I think could handle that. My Guy Calipari now. You're not screaming at guys in the NBA. Okay I love. I love John. You're not GONNA do that. They'll sell a touch with players that I think would wear well in the NBA And I wouldn't be surprised if in the next twelve to twenty four months. He says you know like a new challenge. I'll leave review with this And one of the reasons why I love having you on when we get closer to the draft is your as knowledgeable about the foreign players. The European in players is anybody. I've ever been around in always appreciated your insight. I go back to Luca Danni chick and I when I saw his highlights and granted. Everybody looks good in their highlights. He always looked like he was just a little bit ahead of everybody on everything he did. He didn't look like he was dramatically ahead out of them just got his shot. Just beat you to the layup just just but he's he's still doing that in the NBA. Here how surprised are you with what Don-shik Entre has done so far. Well I'm I'm I'm SURPRI- I'm shot. I'm shot I mean I thought he would be good I I I had eight and one don-shik on which to and most people did. I thought he'd be very good then I really did. But this is generational what he's doing. I mean we're talking. We're talking bird magic Baronne. You don't average twenty nine nine and ten as a twenty year old. I think he turns twenty one in February and He's the guy he's the he's he's the fat guy at the Y.. Who you know? Who's that guy all used to be a really good college player and you're GonNa? I can't be that good. I mean look at him he's still got babysat. I am shots because he's toying with the NBA at twenty years old. It's not like he's GonNa be the next Dirk always guy. He'll he's you know. Presents has got got some potential when we when he came out this guy is toying with the NBA. Think about it. I'm GonNa say it again. Twenty nine nine and ten every single night against against the greatest players in the world at twenty years old and that that that's the first line in a resume who if he stays healthy. We're talking bird Jordan magic you name. 'em Lebron That's how good he's already started his career. Zion makes his debut tonight. You got to see a lot of him last year in College. What do you expect if he's healthy Dan? He's a monster. I think if the if the knees hold up he's also generational generational. I would be surprised. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets twenty five tonight you know. I don't know how the Rehab is gone. But if and when he's at one hundred percent I do think he's is GonNa be a dominant. NBA Player. He's a he's a cartoon character hasn't seen his game and you were going to describe his game. How would you describe? Well I would say like well. We put it this way when they do space jam. Three and eight or nine years. He's he's he's that's he's the protagonist. I mean you know what I mean like. He's a cartoon character. He's a freak athlete Gr- Good skill level Great Iq for the game. And then you know I said at this last December a billy we say a million dollar smile right. He's got a billion dollar smile. Okay I asked this to Reggie Miller yesterday. I'M GONNA ASK YOU IF IF YOU'RE MEMPHIS would you take Jami rant or Zion Williamson. Well I take John Moran because I know what I'm getting What's I on the concern is we've never seen a kid? This young this Frickley insanely athletic. At two hundred and eighty eighty pounds and the concern has always been Kenny. Hold up over ten or twelve or fifteen years. I thought John Moran would be an all star last year said so not just is not you know not back backdating my opinion here And I know what I'm already getting with John. You know in a league that values open floor Artistry Street like the Westbrook's to hardens. Curry's this is this is the next guy and so I I would take the given versus what I think is going to be special diet. Diet great to talk to you Fran is always safe. Travels thanks for joining us. Always a pleasure Dan thank you friend for Shila. Espn College basketball and was former coach. And when I did the NBA draft. We would go to Fran when we were talking about the foreign players foreign born players. He was great he was but he had been there and he was so well researched and he was just such a a great addition to the NBA draft. And that's why surprise when he liked de'andre eight and number one overall for all instead of Luca but I still. Hey I missed it too. I would just watching. I'd go all right. He's playing against these older guys in. Its appro league. It's a good league. He just felt like he was just barely getting by people. Just barely getting a shot off. Just barely really threading the needle on the pass and then I watched him last night and I go. He's got thirty six nine and ten or something against the clippers in a loss. I remember watching the draft and it felt like some of the other guys. I didn't know that how to pronounce the name. So I like that kid. I'll Lithuanian the and frame ago. You mean skittish he would pronounce it cleanly and everyone loves skittish fable CEPHALOPODA. It sounds like something you use in the shower. Where's the several Osha? I'll get it for you. We'll take a break. Play of the day is coming up next and The Kansas City chiefs song that Melissa Ethridge wrote for US on Monday She played it in the last hour of the show. And in case you know you didn't and get a chance to listen to the last hour. She did a wonderful job with his Kansas City chiefs song and she wrote it. I think Monday morning to perform it Monday morning. Or maybe she did. Ah Sunday night but she did a wonderful job. Have that for you. Coming up next is everyone knows student. 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Listen you know we seventeen contain all the greatest my home and now I'm never worried because the way that number fifteen place there's no best thing much of California we'd talk correct Chelsea Franken Chris on it Badger Andy Reid back to Kansas 'em rock and roll because she just I just wanted to do the simple one they had to do the superbowl. That's great knocked you magin. Let me set the scene. She's in her kitchen. She's got her cell phone and she has no effects there and she is playing her Costa Guitar and then she belts that out. That's pretty good stuff. And maybe we'll see her at the Super Bowl. She's not sure if she you know it's one of those is where fans get so and you guys probably know this because you root for teams where you might stand in a certain place or not stand or what you wear because because you don't want to jinx your team your team is doing well and then you go I shouldn't get up like I'm going to stand right here for the next. The two quarters employees when the cubs were in the playoffs in two thousand sixteen I was watching the final game of the CS against the dodgers at a bar in Vermont. There's four people total in the bar. Me My buddy in another couple the cubs losing this other couple of walks in right and cubs gonNA run and take the lead of the game so about an hour lay half an hour later. This couple L. pays their bill and tries to leave the bar and I turned around where the F. Do you think you're going for it and the guy looks excuse me he goes. The Cup scored four runs. Since it's you and your wife walked in your butts down your drinks are I mean when you're not leaving and he looked at me like I understand the craziness in your eyes and I'm going to sit down. And he sat down and I was like man. That's kind of crazy mclovin. Update the poll results. Did we settle on one. We did not okay. I don't even know if we WANNA open. This volley emailed out one that it is trouble. It's trouble I okay but we get. I want to celebrate baseball. It feels like we're not gonNA celebrate what's ever going to let you celebrate baseball and you cannot get. There was the polly throughout. We've been debating. Derek jeters placing history in. What if you could start your team with one player Derek jeter or Pedro Martinez? Just just a name. I picked an all time great but not I felt hall. Well I don't know what jeter would be like in today's game would he be more power driven power-hungry woody we have to put up those power numbers because mclovin has told us that batting average doesn't really matter what he was playing with even bigger deal. Everybody was hit everything in the ballpark apart. But I think he benefited from that because he was always got to see a bunch of relievers and fastballs because there were so many would be a different player in today's game like his Yeah but he played in the power. I mean yeah. But everything's launch angle now and Pedro. 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"Hey there it's scary it. It is Wednesday January two thousand twenty approaching one. AM here on the East Coast. Welcome back to the CBS Sports College Basketball podcast where we sometimes discuss discuss camel fighting leaky Black Matt. NORLANDER is here within. It was fun Tuesday night in College. Basketball Rutgers beat a nationally ranked Penn state. TC Deep Boston. College be nationally ranked Virginia Team. Sto let's get into it Trivia Time dead-leg norlander dead-leg is officially ending doing okay. It's done the leg is going on better by the podcast by the way. Go ahead with your trivia time but we're skyping and literally the second as we start recording. You turn the light off in your room and so now there's just this romantic New York City backdropped going with you still got the tie on. I'M GONNA. It's twelve forty five. I feel like you're trying to use me over over telecommunications right now you're still dress from the studio and you got the lights behind you like we talked the lights. Were on in your room. You're GonNa hit on this and then I was like all right three two one two record and you turned off the light so I don't even know I feel oddly. Comfortable able go ahead. This is a weird thing that I do. I do not like being in the light. Now you can probably like examine what that says about me. But I do my radio show. I walk into the studio because it's a one man show I do show by myself. I Walk in the studio. I turn the lights off. I do my radio show completely in the dark. It's it's completely normal behavior when I host the Jim Rome show. It's televised and I have to do it under lights and it's not it's not just the the cameras. Don't make me uncomfortable. The lights make me uncomfortable because I'm not used to doing a radio show in the light in so same thing here. I was always going to turn the lights off when we started recording. What you just came from? CBS Sports Network under the lights. There do you want to do that. I I am not in control of the lightning situation. CBS The network. But if I were we might we might. We might do it in the dark trivia time Trivia time did lead. Norlander wins the last time. Rutgers in Boston College beat nationally ranked teams on the same night or on back to back nights. It's never are happened thinker. I had zillow Tweeden that. It's never happened. That never happened on the same tonight. Yeah I said the same night or on back to back nights okay so back to back nights. We're talking rutgers. We're talking Boston College ranked teams. It's not remotely guessing bill so that so let me give it to you. January twenty nine January thirty at the two thousand to Boston College. Beat Number Fifteen Miami on January twentieth two thousand to rutgers beat number seventeen uconn on January thirtieth two thousand and two that is courtesy of CBS. Sports Network Research Research Team. I was just. I didn't obviously there's zero shot. You Bet if yourself. I didn't tell them because I don't know if I'm supposed to be using them for college basketball. podcast you can. I use them. I use them occasionally for the court. Report shouts Detroit Pal. I know that he was on that Boston College team for sure. That's that's peak. Choi Belair I don't know who else shows on the BBC team but I know troy was on that team so I was like. Can you look up. Wins the last time if it's ever happened Boston. College and Rutgers beat ranked teams on the same night and very quickly. They said that it has never happened. I said okay. Has It ever happened like on back to back nights. And that was the answer. January twenty ninth and thirtieth two thousand. Two let's talk about both of these for a second because rutgers is now twelve and three overall three in one of the big ten top forty Kim Palm. They've got three top thirty impose wins. They beat Wisconsin. They beat Seton Hall. They beat Penn State. Also own a win over the Stephen F.. Austin team that won at Duke. They're tied for for second in the big ten right now. Why don't they tied for twelfth? Rutgers is tied for second what are we doing here what are we doing. We've had a podcast season season in which we've opened up onto Paul and rutgers within a matter of like three and a half weeks what is going on where are we. Is this our own known universe. Rutgers Steve Pikal you know I heard Pete Gillen say on Inside College basketball that he came from Stony Brook and they were below the plankton back when he was at Stony Brook on Long Island now. He's got rutgers growing like seaweed up through the up through the ocean floor. I don't even know where where I'm going with this. Hey coach Gil is best tonight on television he does he just start randomly talking about things tonight on TV. He was like a Gary over there. He's a Mississippi. Mogul like Mississippi Mold love it. Hey shouts to rutgers at twelve open three. We're talking about them for legitimate reasons here. Not just because of the three and one record in the big ten but because of this plenty of plenty of nails two pound shot. St Rusting Rutgers is a viable tr-. NCW tournament candidate Trivia time. Okay off the top of my dome last time rutgers make the NCAA tournament what year. No Idea Gimme your best. Guess my ex guest is going to be nineteen ninety. The eight not bad rutgers is the longest has the longest route of entertainment a power conference and this is off the top of my dome. I think it's ninety two but it might be ninety one in hold on. You know what I'm Gonna I'M GONNA check that real quick do little check your professional podcast or has his Trivia Times. Whatever I'm I'm Vivian it's one am and I don't care and guess what NC Aa Tournament appearances ninety one but a boom but bing Bada Bang we're looking at a twenty ninety nine year gap here rutgers and they got a real shot good defense and You can speak more to this than even I can't because you at the big ten media day you were not the MC the big ten though you're the MC of the Chen but at the big ten big ten coach said in the pre season almost universally across the board rutgers is going to be noticeably better this season that's proving to be the case so far at twelve and three and yes we could potentially have the longest route from power conference team in the tournament. End here in twenty twenty twenty at this pace. They're looking good still plenty of work to do next Games Illinois on Saturday because of where Steve Jobs had been located he has often been in studio with us in the in the postseason like during the NCAA tournament and he's such a nice man like he's he's obviously a great basketball coach. I mean just for a second focus on this penn state and rutgers played a nationally relevant basketball game in January. That's never supposed to happen. You can reasonably we argue. Those are the two toughest big ten jobs in terms of the job. Now you've got to try to succeed in the same league as Ohio State Michigan. State Eight Indiana Michigan. Like good luck. Those are talk ops and it is pretty remarkable that on January eighth Pat Chambers Chambers. And Steve Pikal both have a realistic chance to make the incidentally tournament. They're both doing tremendous jobs. You know when you play each other the sport work. Somebody's has gotta win. SOMEBODY'S GONNA lose Steve Winston. This one pat loses but I will not be surprised if if if Steve Pyke was not in studio with us during the tournament and that's because because he's coaching in the NCAA tournament. Could well be the case here. Big Ten conference in America. And there's still a lot to sort out a quick note on Penn state though if you're penn state fan you got this season finally finally. It looks like it's GonNa come together. You stuck with chambers. He's in year nine. Can you get to the tournament for the first time under him. It's still possible even probable but the like I watched all of the rutgers game rutgers had it in hand it was a convincing rutgers win. It wasn't like it got away from Penn State and your most recent win was against Iowa which is now ten and five and you screwed up. It was a great game over the weekend. Don't get me wrong but then I will lost at Horrid Nebraska on Tuesday tonight and if you really look at Penn State's resume to feed it okay Yale Alright. Syracuse Lost Again Lost Virginia Tech on Tuesday night the Maryland win this great Alabama's not GonNa make the instantly tournament and the Iowans Nice. But you really. If you're a penn state fan you gotta be screaming like come on. What's like can we? At least have the teams that were able able to beat play above there or at least to their level within the big ten. So Iowa's leading down Penn state in the aftermath of that nittany lions. I was a seller on the free season. I came back around. I'm still there with them but I was hoping that I was going to see a bit more of a competitive game from them on on Wednesday night. It wasn't necessarily the case rutgers. Good on you for getting that kind of when you're riding high I mean haven't lost in. Its literally been a month since your last loss. which is at Michigan State? I got a thought on BBC but I'll hold off case you got anything else on Rutgers Penn state particular. Let's just move on to that Virginia Beach Game because that was a another surprising result. Final score sixty sixty fifty three Boston college over for Jinya so now the cavaliers. They started the season nine and one and they were consistently in the top ten at Kim Palm. Loan loss was a blowout loss at purdue but they still had a win over Arizona. State still had a win over Syracuse. Hugh still had a win over North Carolina. What's interesting is that none of those winds today? Look as good as they looked when they actually happened and now Virginia doesn't look as good as it appeared to be early in the season. Two in to pass four games with losses to South Carolina and Boston College. Those are both sub one hundred two Kim pomp teams They they seem to be the wrong direction. They are not good here. I mean still the top rated defense get all that but didn't look good. I watched most of the second half of this game on Tuesday night and the Braxton key goes down with the risk thing late in the second half if he had missed like three weeks and change because of of a beat up risk. That actually happened. I was at the game when that happened against Arizona. State date and Mohegan Sun back in November. He's not their best player but he is the kind of Guy Frankly when your team is this devoid of offensive reliability. If you lose Braxton he again for significant amount of time There's GonNa be. There's GonNa be problems there Boston College you get the win. That's great great. Can I don't think Jim. I don't think Jim Christians going to make it to next season as the coach there. This is probably his swansong unless they can really get. It turned around but then again parish terrorist like a quick note on the it stinks like I think Duke's the Best Team in College Basketball Florida State's been very solid Louisville. You know certainly can get to a final four if things are going right and Jordan wars probably GONNA top ten player the season but up and down. I don't know pairs it. Rates fourth at Ken Palm. Tom Seems like it should be even worse than that. And I don't want to be one of those pundits that points to rutgers win over Penn State says that's why the big ten so strong then points to a Virginia Tech when it Syracuse or a win over. Jinyan say that's why the ACC sucks. Because I feel like college. Pundits can sometimes speak out of two sides of their mouth when it comes stuff have particularly when we talk about the SEC and football but on the whole. I don't know Man Carolina. Obviously down cues way down down Miami not nearly as we thought it would be Virginia Horrid Putrid offense down. NC State don't even know just look up and down this the league and the morning of January eighth as we talk to your parish. I don't have confidence that the SEC is going to manage to get more than than five teams into the tournament and that's obviously not common for that conference in recent seasons. It's been seven nine nine seven six and the last time that it would have been this low would have been two thousand twelve two thousand thirteen when it got four teams into the tournament. That was the file year that the ACC did not have Notre Dame Pittsburgh or big east involved at our circles involved. Those are all big east teams so we wait and so you know. I want to talk about Virginia. Just Kinda just a passing commentary on the ACC often gets talked about as a great league is Great Great League but we got to admit that this is undeniably a down year and I think the conference is going to struggle to for sure get five teams into the tournament. Well when you have North Carolina Operating outside of the projected bracket and Syracuse operating outside of the projected bracket like to big brands led by two hall of fame coaches and both teams stink. One of them stink so bad that Roy Williams urge you know as publicly said. It's the least gifted team. He's ever coached. which is different? I think than saying saying this is the worst thing I've ever coached because it probably is the worst team. He's ever coached at least the worst. He's ever coached North Carolina. But you can say it's the worst team and then take take some of that responsibility when you say. This is the least gifted North Carolina Team I've ever had that translates into my players. Suck and Dan. I don't know how that plays in the locker room like listen. Roy's a hall of Famer so he can handle it. How every once and I'm sure he's speaking out of frustration because he's only Mr Tournament one time in the past thirty a years and he's probably about the missing it again but I did think that was a an interesting unusual comment from a head coach? Just say my team simply isn't gifted enough to be good back to Virginia. I believe I will drop them out of the top twenty five and one on Wednesday morning. I honestly haven't even looked at it yet. I'm I'm dreading even having to look at it but if that happens only have three. ACC teams in the top twenty five in one Duke Obviously Louisville and Florida state and with this loss us for Ginnie goes from number twenty five at Kim bomb to number thirty six at Kim. Palm Trivia Tie. Okay okay okay. When was the last time Virginia? Was this low. This low being thirty six or lower at Kim Palm in any point in any season I I must say I think it was the third year with Bennett. So so that'll be. He was hired on nine so nine ten ten eleven eleven the eleven twelve seasons my guess that is an incorrect answer. The correct answer would be on January fourth two thousand fourteen. Virginia's forty second at Kim Palm and didn't they won that night and they ended up winning twenty one of the next twenty three games. They finished thirty seven. On the season they made the sweet sixteen their final Kim Palm ranking even though they were forty second on January fourth final Kim Bum ranking. That season was number before so they got it going around the same time in the calendar and took off in the right direction. But I'll be shocked. If this team takes off in the right direction. They are now our rated one hundred ninety ninth in the justed offensive efficiency. I don't care how well you got that that on that into the cord. You're not going going to be very good. Yeah that's rough. They were outside the top fifty in the net. Coming into the day coming into the night when refreshes on Wednesday they'll take another dip their. This is what we're talking about here when we discussed the SEC's issues collectively getting teams in the tournament. Games to go. I get that like if you if you tell me. Virginia wins seven of its sexy. I'm not going to be stunned. But it's going to take that kind of a win streak to get them back up there and they got like again. We don't know what the situation is. If if we'll have an update on him on Wednesday maybe Thursday at the latest. He'll be out and if so for how long but it's a problem. That lack of offense is just. It's so bad that even though the defense is legitimately great and I'm probably I'm assuming annoying as hell to prep and play There's not not enough to make up on the other side of the floor at least at this point like you know. They've helped opponents under forty points four times a season which is tremendous and Virginia might become the first team since Princeton in nineteen. ninety-one talk about an anyone rutgers that same season Princeton held opponents under fifty points per game. It's the only program to do the shot clock era. Virginia's trying to do it but it's going to need more on offense to To make up for that and it's just not there so there were a lot of fun Games in college basketball on Tuesday night but there the only two games between ranked teams number Eleven Ohio State at number twelve Maryland was one of them. We're GONNA get into that next but verse check this up. Do you love college. Basketball is so this is Gary Perish reminder to watch it on. CBS sports because each week you can watch some of the top games available for free on CBS sports dot com or in the CBS sports mobile APP and this Sunday. It's a big ten showdown between Michigan. State and purdue it's going to be played inside Macarena arena so this should be a top test. The Cash Winston and the preseason number one sparks tip is scheduled for noon Eastern. You can watch it on. CBS SPORTS DOT COM or in the CBS sports mobile APP. And don't forget it's free and I don't mean it's a free trial or free if you buy some fancy sports package. It's completely free for everybody to come. Check out Michigan State and purdue this Sunday Monday. CBS SPORTS DOT COM or in the CBS sports mobile APP so a span of twenty four days. Ohio state has gone from nine. Oh in number one at can palm to eleven and four on a three game losing streak. That's the result of Tuesday night. Sixty seven fifty five loss at Maryland. This obviously not good now. I don't want to spend too much time on this because I feel like we talk about Ohio state every podcast but this is an unexpected turn. In the wrong direction you worried about the Buckeye norlander per potentially a little bit here credits in Maryland. For that win I mean Maryland is to be fair we talked about them a little bit in the preseason and I thought I was as high on Maryland maybe anyone and in truth you were pretty much essentially right there with me here. They are thirteen and two. You get this kind of win at home doesn't matter the opponent like just get to this point three and one of the big ten overall steady yourself. Anthony Cowan looking terrific and the pieces around him. Looking good so Maryland we see You're doing great. Can You keep keep it up with a Friday road test against enigmatic Iowa. Wait and see on all of that stuff with Ohio state. It's just it's the kind of swoon that really. No one saw talk coming. Because when we got past Thanksgiving we had the discussions that I'll high of state was operating almost undeniably like the best team in the sport and that's no longer the case now not a full strength. Get that Because they haven't had kyle young in the past few games because he did wind up having An appendectomy to get that appendix appendix taken care of there and he went through warm. It's apparently obviously didn't play. I would think maybe hopefully he'll play and OSU's Rhody Against Indiana which takes on a lot more urgency NC really for both teams. And we'll get to that on the on the weekend preview podcasts. I would think maybe but yeah a rapid up real quick here. I do have some concern concern. I still think that Ohio state at the end of the conference season a good big ten big ten is going to wind up being a top three team now. Oh I'd go Michigan State Maryland. Ohio state still top three Which I think I want to say that was the preseason maybe purdue who was in there I don't know but they're totally weird? But anyway. That's my expectation even with this wound. But you know next to the next three games. Indiana and Penn state so it could get worse. Ohio state was five of twenty six from three point range in the law at Maryland. And if you're looking for a pattern in these four losses on the season that's it bad. Three point shooting lost the Minnesota Oda. They shut seven of thirty from beyond the ARC. The loss of West Virginia they shut up twenty four from beyond the arc. The loss of Wisconsin shot six of twenty from beyond the arc lost Maryland airland again. Five of six from beyond the ARC. If you add that up on your iphone calculator. They are combined twenty-six of one hundred in the four losses that is according to my iphone. Phone calculator twenty six percent from beyond the arc and this is by the way a good three point shooting team when they were nine they were shooting right around forty percent from three point. Range the top ten in the country but they haven't shot well since then and the record now reflects that obviously young. That's thing but they'll get him back at some point but You know he doesn't make up for all of these problems and it's hard not to notice that this is starting to look a lot like last season. They started twelve and one last season then they lost five straight. They end up finishing regular season eighteen and thirteen that means they went six and twelve after starting twelve and one and now they're doing something similar I do not. I think this team is going to spiral the other direction the way that team did but it is true that after a great start Ohio states heading the right direction wrong direction for the second consecutive year. Yeah that's why the game this weekend. It'll be interesting because this happened with Indiana last season as well started strong and then the bottom came came out so the loser of that game. The fan base is really going to be freaking out about deja Vu all over again. We'll wait and see but we are seeing a little bit of of this materializing in multiple places and you don't need to make this whole segment but you mentioned like in Ohio State Slipping Utah State losses. Third game in a row on Tuesday night was non-competitive competitive at Air Force. This is the second straight season where we've had an overwhelming. preseason favorite in the mountain west completely failed show up. It's problematic for the aggies. Because you've gone. I'm from universally almost regarded as top twenty two now like you're instantly tournament profile is in jeopardy and you can't afford to take any more losses so I know we don't talk ton amount west on the pod here because you know of the Weird Times of the Games but but Utah State losing again. An airforce is worth at least a passing mention that th that has taken on a a certain phase of urgency with a quickness in terms of rank teams getting wins on Tuesday night. Do we agree Baylor going to Lubbock. Texas isn't win fifty seven fifty two. That's the most impressive thing. That was pretty impressive. Like it wasn't So I watched the entire game. It was like this overwhelming dominant performance. Jerry Butler didn't even play that well. He's their best player and It's just I don't know man probably seen behler play five six times times probably the season and every time I watch and play I walk away from the game and it's been a win with every time except one against Washington thinking like yeah they they just Kinda are doing just enough like they're really good on the glass yet again. And that's a big key to their success because it's not a team that like slice and dice issue. It's not a team. That's remarkable on offense. It gets it done just enough on defense and that's that's great But it it doesn't have you know just an array even though it shoots relatively decently from three point range you never feel at least I don't WanNa Watch Baylor like it's going to come in and Njit bomb away you and beat you with thirteen three pointers and shoot sixty five percent from inside the Arken have just one of these amazing nights. No they just they scout well they do just enough and they're twelve often one palm's got him number one seed rightfully so and his latest bracket algae Baylor and Butler along with Duke. Gonzaga are his current one seeds. And I don't really think there's any argument against that right now. You WanNA throw San Diego state in their Scher. I'd buy it but But no impressive go into Texas Tech. Get that win fifty fifty seven fifty to grind it out got some need to track down the stretch and now it sets up the game of the weekend easily. It will Baylor will play on the road at Kansas in a top five matchup and that will be on Saturday. We'll obviously get to that in previewing picking that on the next pod. But that's that's a that's a mammoth game and oh by the way it is a CBS. Game at one o'clock on Saturday so just a heads up well in advance. That's the game more than any other that you want to build your Saturday around because the race will rely on. You know we'll be dictated by that and that's the kind of win for Baylor that if it can get it. That's what's going to convince people that it's actually the best team in the big twelve because right now people are still going to default to Kansas. I'm not sure if you're aware but. CBS is America's most watched network is the network stars. I'm aware aware of this. Yes okay so Baylor Kansas. That'll bring up. That Scott drew fact. People always bring up. I'm not even sure if it's true anymore but at one point it was true. Scott that drew names inside Allen fieldhouse. Now that's not anymore. I think after last season okay. People had fun with that one for a while but Scott drew getting the last laugh. It's the guy who I mean. We've been over two million times on the podcast but inherited something. Unlike anybody else's ever inherited heritage a player murdered another player and he takes over an absolute mess of a situation and I do believe the rebuilding job. He's done in Baylor Taylor at Baylor is one of the great rebuilding jobs in the history of of college basketball and now he's got a team that is a legitimate final four slash national champion contender. They got four top twenty five. Kim Calm winds right now Villanova Arizona Butler Texas Tech and yeah I suppose is there will still be some skeptics. Because they don't just jump off the page at you. There's not like obvious. NBA draft picks on the roster. And there's you know it's it's not you you know t to McDonald's all Americans just like a bunch of guys who really play well together and that's a testament that coaching staff identifying the talent that they've got and then developing -veloping and into what it is but you win at Kansas. That's the that's the type of thing that forces people to pay attention so absolutely. That is the biggest game him on Saturday. And it's it'll be on America's most watched network. I got the mail bag. Let's do it. Every mid week podcasts end with mailbag questions the way we we do. What if you just catching up? Is We request that you go to apple podcasts and rated five stars and and leave a nice podcast asked review and after writing incredibly kind things about me ordinary lander or both of us. Even if you want to ask a question there you could ask ask a question there. And I'll read every one of them I always do and then I'll pull out three and we'll spend a little time on each of them mid week podcast at the end of it. So let's start with a question that we got from Craig. Craig says he takes a yearly guys with some old college friends right and they're planning it this year around a college basketball game. All right question is this. What city offers the best combination of basketball an nightlife life? He adds that they've already done. Durham Duke So. They're not going back there but they're looking for what's the next best place where we can go see good basketball and how about have a hell of a good time at night. This is a good question. This is a solid reader submission. I appreciate that. So you want to optimize this us for like. I don't know how much flexibility you and your buddies got. And when you're looking to take this trip but I assume it's going to be you know in the next two six weeks before March gets going and obviously the tournaments and teams go to neutral sites etcetera etcetera so good city good hoop good destination. Maybe not overly OBVIOUS THEY'RE LOUISVILLE JUMPS to mind because the team is good enough loopholes a pretty solid city particularly if you're looking to get social and you know if you don't mind the If you're if you're one for the Brown liquor there's no shortage of Bourbon and Louisville. I quite assure you of that. And and even Kentucky fans would admit that Lexington's an awesome little college that he Louisville's just a superior city in the state. I'm sure some Kentucky fans don't I agree with that and I'll say they'll they'll be I'll be hearing naturally Lexington. Solid Louisville is a city that's undeniable. It is a bigger bigger city. And there's just a bit more to offer Lexington also has the has some of the ponies but now at this time of the Year Louisville will host. I what's their best. What's their best gail? Boy This is the. ACC is not having a good year. Man I'm not seeing one remaining Louisville home game. Maybe Virginia and Louisville fans even got poorer flashbacks from a couple years ago with Virginia. Pulled out that game at the center there other than that Carolina Gets Coal Anthony's involve mid to late February's involves Louisville. Was One that pop to mind and then let me just give a second one that you can offer your your Your thoughts and opinions on it you could also by the way. This is completely plausible. You Try and do a double dip blue of Lexington. If you WANNA make it happen you did you do the state of North Carolina. Why the State of Kentucky? Otherwise I've never been there and I we'll see if the team is i. I hear great things about this as a college town now maybe February. That'd be not so great but I've heard Madison is incredible Wisconsin. The question is are they going to be good enough. That you're GONNA WANNA go see whoever they play. But they host Michigan State Saturday February first they host. I'll Ohio state Sunday February night. So either those games is a nice little opportunity if you WANNA go to a spot that's regarded pretty much universally the as a top ten college city town. Whatever you WANNA call it in the country I have both of the city's I made a list and I didn't really go through and look at schedules? I sort of tried to combine good basketball ask ball teams with fun cities and fund setups and both the cities. You have you said Louisville in Madison. I had them on my list. I think I listed. Let me count here. One two three four five six seven places and two of them were Louisville and Madison. I've had terrific times both Louisville in Madison Lawrence. Kansas is another one. Like if you WANNA check off bucket lit stuff allen fieldhouse is awesome and Keynes's is obviously good and I've had fond times and there's actually it's yeah it's it's kind of under the like it's I've been lawrence as well. And there's a few like legitimately terrific food spots down there on that on that main strip and Lawrence. I would endorse. There's one restaurant we always go to. It's it's named after an area code or something. Do you remember what that is I do not. I do. Not Restaurant in Lawrence K. A. Hariri podcast information. I didn't going to talk about. I think it's seven one five restaurant. I'm guessing you're probably right. Yes seven one five. so that's a terrific so you got a Nice Restaurant Front. They're the bar. Scene is the bar scene. And you could see Allen fieldhouse which I do think and these. These are uncommon opinions. But what you're talking about the two coolest places just to see a college basketball game. At least in my opinion. It's cameron indoor in Allen. fieldhouse in so if you've already been cameron one trial and fieldhouse put calmness missile hieaux. You'll Columbus is like a real sat city. Yeah that's yeah so you get to go see it well. I don't know if they're good but they used to be good. Twenty four days ago they were. We're good and so maybe Jimmy Virginia used to be good Charlottesville. Nice little town too so I don't know if that's your list or not but yeah spokane wash your listen not senior wrong but you gotta commit. That's I don't know where are our fellas they're gonNA take. It takes you a minute to get there but once you get there it's great. They've got that wonderful five star historic coastal stay there and then you pop around the bar scene with Adam Morrison and that's what I did one night and then and then you get to go to the Kennel. No which is a terrific place to see a basketball in San Diego California. Yes but I've listened. San Diego is incredible. You should go to it whenever you can no matter with the reason but I feel like it's good so you wanna check them out again. That's a flight and also that's just such a big city that I feel like it's too big for what we're talking about. Not winning exclusively like small college towns but you might as well just you know. It's a step away from Los Angeles like obviously you go wide a possible undefeated undefeated team in an amazing college basketball environment. And then you get to experience San Diego like I'll do it. I'll go with them if they're going to sit in folks Santos Real and if you play golf you can you can play Torrey Pines because it is a state park and you gotta get up at six. AM and go. Put Your name in the list. I and all that stuff but you can. You can still play Torrey Pines. And that's that's a little double whammy for you so around the seventh city I have listed. I'm obviously biased. What if you're looking for fun basketball in a fun night Memphis? I don't disagree. I figured you were GONNA mention that Memphis has to be concerned. I've never been to Memphis Maybe ironically enough but I ask. Ashby analysts for sure. I actually think it is one of the best basketball setups for like if you're flying in to cover a game at forum because Fedex Forum. I'm in downtown Memphis just off Bill Street. And they have a beautiful Weston literally across the street from Fedex forum so you fly. Why in Uber? To Your Weston. You never have to get in a car again. You've got awesome restaurants Bill Street Fedex forum in the West in all all within a half mile radius of each other. You just walk back and you never you everything you want. Crazy bars com bars clubs clubs great restaurants quick restaurants Fedex forum awesome arena and the West and all right there memphis is a great place to find and cover basketball. Ask a ballgame so that would be on the list as well got a question from Shaw yes. He has a player more important to his team or more more deserving a player of the year honors thing caches Winston while more deserving at this point I would have Vernon Carey junior as the player of the year right now. So He's more deserving more important you you know what I gotta say that there are. Players are more important to the team because like for example. Xavier Tillman is is is evolving moving to the stage where that staff was hoping it would be and he's awesome okay so caches winstons terrific. He is already one of the ten best players in that program's history and by the the end of the season he could. He could well crack into the top five and that is not an easy top. Five to crack into given what Michigan State is but like you take Jordan Awful Louisville like. I don't even think they're close to what they are right now. That's just one off the top of my head and like we've seen what like like. I don't know how good I guess. Carolina is with Coal Anthony but without him like the bottom is come out from underneath. Peyton Pritchard on Oregon stands out to me as someone who's pretty important so cash winston would be on the shortlist but Michigan State was the preseason number one team and it was because of a lot of the stuff that was around him a lot of the guys that had around him Xavier. Tillman just being one of them You Know Aaron Henry certainly show some promise you know Marcus. Bingham hasn't put together yet gay Brown together yet but those are good pieces so I would say that he would not make my top three or top four like most indispensable players. He's the difference getting to win a title but I just happen to think that there are few other other teams that rely on one player a lot more than embassy with Sparta. You agree yeah I do agree. I think Vernon Carey would be the national player of the year right now. I don't I'm not ruling cash winston out from eventually getting it. He's playing really well right now. And so as Michigan State but if I had turned in a ballot at this moment my ballot would be for for Vernon Carey who has the highest player proficiency rating in the country's only PR above forty. I do think that catches Winston is in the conversation for most important in player. But I don't know these. Obviously the most important player to his team. I mean the guys you mentioned are all great especially I think Peyton Richard. I would argue OBI top and Dayton and what state and without him. I would argue Marcus. Howard at Marquette Miles POW at Seton officer Divine Dodson at Kansas guys who had the ball in their hands but dot says as a Buki so I would say no Dotson? That's all because that's like that's like that's like a Winston Tillman light almost in a way. That's all maybe as a Buki gains as you saw what they were last. Just you're F- without him. That's that's true. Yeah there's certainly a case to be made for that so I think there's other guys that you can reasonably make cases for but but certainly cash is on the list and for whatever it's worth Sean. Who is a Michigan State Fan? Who left that question? He says caches. Winston is already in the Michigan State. Mount Rushmore I got a servant's servants. GotTa be in that one. Yeah Mateen cleaves yes WANNA title has to be urban machine. cleese is dream on on four year player. There's a lot of dudes Steve Smith Scotty styles. Denzel Valentine cleaves IRV. There's probably even a dude like Msu fans knows who was like awesome in the sixties or seventies drew through night soul true nights tonight still. It's true nights who is one of the all-time just unforgettable players. I guess he's not buddy is drew night so fan. I'm not I'm not throwing any shade at Mr Knights L.. He was genuinely fun to watch. Play even guys. They wouldn't be on the mount. Rushmore like Jason Richardson he was to your player. I think Zach Randolph is a one year player at the CBO. Yeah cash this already on the mount. Rushmore forgot to go top four. It's getting close. If he god forbid broke his leg tomorrow never played another game again for sparty would he be top for. Jesus say has a casual Winston been through enough and now has I'm saying if he did not play another norlander didn't now dead-leg norlander is wishing broken legs on other people. I am not at all wishing anything of the sort. I'd say he's top five. I can't use my leg. I don't watch can use my leg is oh I can use it by the decay better by the I got. I got better strengthen this leg. Got In your arm right now. I know that much guide. My right dad arm this is this. Is the eye on college basketball. PODCAST with debt arm perish and deadly norlander. That's what we Dr Somebody's citizens or something and it was like. Here's New Orleans repairs getting ready for the podcast like wheel and two guys. It's ridiculous we're the most we're the most handicap. podcast focused on basketball right now lately. That's in the world Listen I'm assume Sean knows more about who belongs on the Michigan State. Mount Rushmore than we do so if he says it's cash is Winston that I'm I'm with it it's magic mattingly's cash it's Winston and far as I'm concerned drew nights. Okay so I'll go denzel. Valentine the last question Tom ask what previously and this is a tough one. What previously unheralded program like Gonzaga's fifteen years ago could become a consistent top twenty five program over the next decade well? I'd say was even saga two decades ago. Fifteen yeah even even like fifteen years ago. Gonzaga's there in the tournament every year. Like if we're going like here's the thing if we're going Gonzaga comparison you're so we can't exactly like Gonzaga went from school with a weird name that that sounds kind of cool and now like they're in the tournament I might pick them because they got Z.. In their name. That's what Gonzaga was until they made the elite eight at a nowhere in ninety. Da and then it Kinda it changed the course of the program and then you know five six seasons later. They're they're in it every single season and then mark building and outright dynasty out in spokane there is we cannot possibly project any kind of analog to that to come so the closest thing that we could look at it as a program probably from a single oh bidder multi bid just two or three kind of league and who might be best setup. B- It because the Talent Pool Coaching League or otherwise to be that kind kinda school. Now you had wichita state kind of be that to a certain degree and I think that's a fair answer it might be the obvious and easy answer But if I was going to go outside that I'm trying to pick like what team in the eight ten would be best suited to do it. I feel like Dayton's too big but lucky unfortunately for you you're talking to the talk. I know I know I know I mean Dayton is the most obvious candidate to me out of the eight ten but they almost feel like they've already been good enough. I don't know who comes to mind for you if we're focusing on the ATM. I've always thought Saint Louis has a ton of potential like beautiful on campus arena amazing city to recruit to basketball talent within the state basketball talent within the city. I've always thought Saint Louis was one one where it's a better job than than than I think. It's a better job than what it's been people over the years so Saint Louis maybe would be one the truth is i. Don't think there's anything like Aga- if you could go back several years and assets questions decade ago Wichita allstate would have been a good answer. I would expand the question if knowledge. There's no great perfect answer to the specific question he asked. I would expand the question into programs that haven't been consistently good for a while but could be top twenty five good for the next decade. I got the answer for you. Let's see if it's the same I've got well. The program that I'm going to say has been good as of late but it had a massive down period like decades and now it's back and I can see it it being top twenty five caliber for a decade and that's Houston under Kelvin. Sampson got Houston and I would say the same thing about Arkansas. Arkansas can be ah yes I mean yes it can be. That Arkansas has been way down. Yeah so and it was funny as Kelvin. Sampson was lobbied visas. Next Arkansas coach and says the winds up staying at Houston Houston was obviously great for short period of time there late seventies early eighties and then it just completely goes away. Is the nonviolent program program for decades and now it's back and if you told me that Sampson coast the next seven years Houston. They made the tournament every single season and even made a final four. I would believe you because his reputation as an the next guy is that good and You know an another one like give crispier stays at Texas Tech. That can be a program that did nothing for a while and then in his consistently top twenty five You know for the next decade and then you know. Td also Burger UNLV if you're looking for a program that's had great. History performed outside out of that traditional power structure. It's hard to get back you know to wear. UNLV once was perhaps. It's impossible but I do think TJ is going to it could have made unlv a a solid program again. It might take a minute but I think he can get it there so listen as always. Thank you guys for for those questions when I started asking asking you to do it. I didn't know if you really would to the extent that you have But you have you've been great. We appreciate it. We will spend the end of every mid week. PODCAST gas focusing on some of your questions. Please keep going to apple podcasts. Rating the PODCAST. Five stars leaving nice comments also yes asking question. Will you know three to focus on at the end of every mid week. PODCAST looking forward. I'M GONNA be in studio again on a Wednesday night. CBS CBS sports network. We've got an eight tip off show that starts at six thirty eastern. So if you're an Atlantic ten Fan we will do a thirty minute. Show strictly and exclusively acidly on the Atlantic ten. That will start at six. Thirty leading into Davidson at Rhode Island and the second game of our double header will be two lane at Ukon and so the interesting thing. There is Davidson now. That's a team that I had preseason top twenty five and one now maybe I was wrong because they wanted the people. Oh so if you want to do a reverse POLARTEC maybe this is the place to do it but Davidson preseason top twenty five and one six and seven on a two game losing streak just lost vanderbilt just lost it. CAIN doesn't really register nationally because they've never been ranked in the AP all season so if you're not ranked in the AP poll people largely don't know what you're doing but Davidson bit of a surprising. Disappointment for me to see they have been I spoke so I spoke with Bruce Pearl on Monday Sunday night and I will have Auburn will lead the court report on Wednesday. So if you're listening to someone's Day bring it up in the APP do favor give it a read their Talk with pro about a number of things. He did mention in passing. Oh by the way you know. We schedule we scheduled Davidson to open the season the game that was on. CBS Sports Network out at that Out At navy seals. no-one no-one willingly schedules Bob mckillop. But we wanted to do it. Because we thought Davidson was going to be top thirty quality top team. I'm in the eight ten and he mentioned it because I was talking about the fact that Auburn hasn't played like quad one team and all that that stuff and we were. We were kind of vexed as to what has happened Davidson. I've actually had a couple of coaches be like what is like they were expected to be. NCAA tournament quality really really good and that has just not happened a team that is just completely slipped off the radar of the radar six and seven But I promise you this like within that league opposing coaches will be terrified every time you have to play Davidson because now you gotTa Davidson team. That's that hasn't been as good as expected but I still a danger no matter or what every night because the prep for them. Almost anyone will tell you. prepping for Mackillop's teams. It's just it's just a massive headache from what you gotTa Scout to what you gotta get your players to no hope that they run it right so they have gone from preseason favorite to now potential bugaboo when they're gonNA do like what Nebraska Iowa on Tuesday night that could be what Davidson turns into and just kind of be in that spot where teams wind up being terrified that they're gonNA get picked off particularly in games that are at Davidson so again. I'm sure we'll touch on this eighteen tip off show. That's going to be at six thirty eastern on Wednesday on. CBS Sports Network and then followed by Davidson at Rhode Island to lane at uconn Yukon. That's on CBS. Sports Network the twenty four hour home of CBS. Sports Shops Devon Danny South Carolina. She asked Deterioration Petillo. Oh He's alleged. Shasta Lauren now and please. You haven't done it already. Go Subscribe to the College Basketball Podcast via apple podcast while you're there rated favourably five stars. 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Andrew Maraniss, Author

The Sporting Life with Jeremy Schaap

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Andrew Maraniss, Author

"This is the sporting life on. ESPN radio and the ESPN APP. Here's Jeremy SCHAAP. Everybody knows rose about the original Dream Team the nineteen ninety-two American Olympic basketball team. That took the world by storm. It was the first time the pros had been allowed to compete compete. Lotta people remember the nineteen eighty-four team which was led by Michael Jordan in coach by Bob Knight. A Lotta people remember what happened in nineteen seventy two when the US. Swiss robbed in the final seconds. Losing the gold medal to the Soviet Union but less people fewer people I should say are familiar with the story story of the first Olympic basketball tournament in the first team to win the gold at the Olympics. That story is told in a new book by Andrew Meredith's Games of of deception the true story of the first limbic basketball team at the nineteen thirty six Olympics. In Hitler's Germany. It's a pleasure to have Andrew Join US Andrew. Thanks for being back with us. Thanks for having me back on Jeremy. This book which is a great achievement about a story as I said that nobody's really given this kind of treatment to before four? What why did you want to? I mean your basketball guy. Why what brought you to this story? Yeah I am a basketball guy and actually it was a basketball related. The trip that sort of exposed me to the story. I was at the University of Kansas to speak out my last book which was a biography of Perry Wallace. Who was the first African American Basketball Football player in the SEC? I had never been to Allen fieldhouse before and so all I was in Lawrence Kansas. I made a detour over there. And I don't know if you've I've been there but attached to the field house they have A building called the debris center that has the original rules of basketball under glass. Like you might see the constitution under the glass in DC right. So I saw Naismith original rules of basketball because he had later become the athletic director and the first basketball coach at Kansas. Right next to. It was a picture of Naismith with Japanese player from the Nineteen Thirties. And the man giving me a tour mentioned. Did you know that the inventor of basketball got to see his invention make its Olympic debut at the Olympics and I had never heard that before and I said well which Olympics was that and when he said it was the thirty six Olympics in Berlin or Lynn I thought that was too good of a story not to be told you know the invention or the international debut of this such an incredible sport board such a controversial Olympics In what I'm trying to do with my books now is to write sports and social justice related stories for Middle School and high school kids and adults and I thought that that combination certainly existed within this story. It's a story of that first. Basketball Tournaments First Time Basketball was played at the Olympics hadn't been played in nineteen thirty two in Los Angeles even though the Games were taking place in the US. The birthplace bast fault but the Germans Carl deemed put them on the program. How did that happen? Well it was Fog Allen As coach at Kansas who really was was the person that envisioned what we consider the modern game of basketball naismith had invented it primarily as just a form of exercise and recreation that was his real interest in the sport sport but Fog Allen is responsible essentially for the formation of the NC Double A. Tournament and was also Looking for ways to grow this game internationally and so he was pitching International Olympic basketball officials for years and he he thought he would be successful in thirty two in. La As you mentioned because was taking place here and the birthplace of basketball but he had once coached. German exchange student named Fritz Zoecke at a basketball clinic nick at Springfield College in Massachusetts and Swick returned to Germany where he became an official with the Hitler. Youth and Alan Alan was lobbying Suzuki and Carl deem and also some Japanese officials on having basketball included in the thirty six Olympics in Germany And so it's a bit of an uncomfortable truth to think about the fact that it was the Nazis who brought us this game at the Olympic level but Alan had been working on it for years and he was finally successful in convincing the Germans and I I think a big reason for that and you know also they played a baseball exhibition game not a medal sport but an exhibition game name at the Olympic Stadium and I think the Germans were conscious of boycott effort that was pretty considerable in the United States at that time and really really wanted More than anything for the US to participate. And I think they threw a couple bones are way by including that baseball exhibition by including basketball in the Olympic hundred. Ten thousand thousand people seeing that baseball game the biggest crowd is you write. That had ever seen a baseball game up to that point in time. And you know I wrote a book about Jesse Owens in thirty six Olympics. I saw those pictures of the thirty six Olympic basketball tournament thing. That of course is most striking anybody who sees those pictures for the first time is it. They're playing outdoors on clay tennis courts. Essentially How did that did that affect the caliber of play? Well it affected tremendously. Of course the Germans had promised that it would be a a brilliant tournament under the open air and it turned out to rain Monsoon monsoon rains the start of the day before the gold medal and the bronze medal games. And so those games were complete farces It became a big soupy mess in these clay. Okay tennis courts players couldn't dribble the basketball or just get stuck in plop in the mud Reading the articles from New York Times and other papers you know it was an embarrassment. ASMANT for the sport even the way it was played at at that time people slipping and sliding all over the place USB Candidate Nineteen to eight to win the first. I Olympic gold medal under those circumstances. It was a joke of a of a final and of course the teams were constituted the. US team I should say there was no such there was college basketball at the time and but it wasn't anything like what we now know it wasn't as big a deal and the teams teams from which the US. The American Olympic Committee drew in the basketball Organizing body drew. Were actually these kind of industrial company. Teams how did that happen. How did that team get picked? That's right so there was a tournament that culminated with sort of Elite eight at Madison Square Garden and it was open to the top amateur teams in the country which at that time were teams from. YMCA's College teams most of whom decided not to play in the tournament and also You teams and they. You is far different than what we think of now. You know. It wasn't elite high school athletes. It was already graduated from college. Who are playing for companies who sponsored teams as a way to market themselves So one interesting aspect of that is long. Island University boycotted the qualifying tournament. They had a number of Jewish players on their team. Not all Jewish players. Clear be was their coach. They took a vote in coach. said if any anyone player on our team wants to protest The fact that these Games will be played in Nazi Germany. Then we won't go in seven guys rose their hand to to boycott and that was significant because they were the best college team in the country at that time And so what what was decided. Is that the two teams teams. That advanced to the finals of this qualifying tournament. At Madison Square Garden would become would it be joined together to become the. US Olympic team and those final two teams were global oil l.. which was an oil refinery in a small town of McPherson? Kansas and universal pictures From Hollywood and the guy that put the team together a universal was named Jack Pierce. Who is the head makeup artist at the studio? And he had created the iconic. Looks for characters like Frankenstein and the hunchback hunchback of Notre Dame but he was a big basketball fan and he would dress up players In those costumes of the famous horror movies. He's just sort of promote those movies Meanwhile the team from McPherson was considered sort of outcasts within the game at that time they were playing a different brand of basketball more like we would recognize today with fast breaks in full court pressure and they had a player named Joe Forton Berry who when he dunked the ball at Madison Aston Square Garden was considered the first player ever to dunk Reporter from the New York Times described the way he did. This unusual shot is if a diner customer customer was was dunking. donuts in some coffee. And that's how that terminology came to be speaking with Andrew Marriner despite his new Book Games of deception the true story of the first. US Olympic Pick basketball team the nineteen three six Olympics in Hitler's Germany and Andrew. You know when you write about the Games of the Eleventh Olympiad of course so much which is about the backdrop and you mentioned the boycott efforts in the US boycott effort narrowly defeated By Avery Brundage ran the American Olympic Committee. At the time I'm Jeremiah t mahoney who ran the amateur athletic union his his bitter foe that That effort was narrowly defeated In in the days leading up to the Games months leading up to both the winter and the Summer Games in Germany Germany. Will you write about this subject. You have to come back of course to what was going on a journey at the time of you. You do that in the book you write a lot about how the situation had changed the three years since Adolf Hitler had come to power. And you also have to grapple with the question whether or not participation was the right thing or the wrong thing Jesse Owens would emerge as these star Games. The African American contingent was enormously successful but ultimately writing this book in researching. This book is thoroughly as you did. What conclusion did you draw out whether or not the US should have been there? I think that's sort of the fundamental question that I've been anticipating -ticipant eating would be asked whenever I go talk about this and I think it's interesting. I mean I know in your book you write that. If if not for the Anti Semitism of Avery Brundage we wouldn't have had this magical moment. With Jesse Owens. At those Olympics we probably would have boycotted right And yet I think you also the point out in your book. It's not as if Jesse Owens by proving the the myth of areas supremacy really. What did that change you know? We still had six million Jews murdered. We still had World War Two. We still had Jesse Owens return to United States where he wasn't treated as an equal person so I think my answer will be that we should not have participated in those Olympics It's easy to say in hindsight but there there was a considerable segment of the US public that even in nineteen thirty. Three thirty four thirty five leading up to the Olympics was opposed to this idea. How can you have an international national event built around these concepts of sportsmanship and fair? Play taking place in this fascist state of Nazi Germany The more that I learned about Brundage's own anti-semitism the the the trip that he supposed- fact-finding trip that he took to Berlin and to see if you know. Would this be an appropriate place to play where he's accompanied by Nazi hosts the entire time. These palling around with these guys and the level of propaganda. Baganda that he was encouraging in the United States writing letters to German Olympic officials into actual Nazis asking them to help him with PR campaign in in the US to influence public opinion. Well meanwhile he's calling opponents of the Nazi regime un-american The more that I really realize is what a propaganda effort. This was the clear if became to me that We shouldn't have been there and I don't know that it really would have It's impossible to say what that affect I would've had on on Hillary but I think it would have indicated more of an awareness internationally Of what was happening there at the time I mean maybe put a little bit more of a focus on the exit. We're already taking place in Nazi Germany and who knows how that might have changed things but No no I don't think we should have gone what are you. What was your final answer on that the same as yours for what it's worth The same conclusion that Other were these transcendent performances served in the world. Would Know Jesse Owens's Today of course if we had not participated because there would be no games and forty or forty four and And he would have into old by forty eight That that wasn't good enough. And the Games deeded chief for the Germans What they hoped they would achieve? which is this this huge public relations platform which At the time most people accepted as an indication of the less than malevolent intentions of the Third Reich and we shouldn't have been taking part. Yeah and that's the reason why the book is called Games of deception. Really sort of getting that fact that the whole the whole scene there was essentially a facade in a movie set to try to fool the world and they were like you said largely successful in doing this. Well it's a great book as you said intended ended Not only for young adults but for adults as well. It's games of deception. The true story of the first. US Olympic basketball team at the nineteen thirty six Olympics picks. In Hitler's Germany it is a primer as well on the first forty five years of the game of basketball since its creation nation by James naismith eighteen ninety one at Springfield College. Another tremendous book from Andrew. Maher Maraniss Andrew. Thank you so much for joining us. I really

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Hour 1: SEC Postponements

"The college football season is rolling along. And so is the latest season of your favorite. Dr pepper obsessed college football town. That's right we're talking about fans ville so brace yourself for all the on the field football drama and off the field dr pepper flavor. Your eyes and taste buds can handle. Because even though you can't be at the stadium you can still dress. Cheer and drink dr pepper like a true fan head to a store near you. Treat your inner college football fan to an ice cold. Twenty ounce dr pepper today g. santi will in subic the podcast morning. The question of course as you just heard that is will eight be enough an old. Tv show and for years on television. There was nothing bigger than lsu in alabama college. Football the world stop. What paul finebaum say yesterday on the program. The president was there. The college football world was watching and we may not get to watch. Lsu in alabama this year keyshawn g wills zubin presented by progressive insurance keyshawn on the k. Jay z injured list retroactive to yesterday. With the foot injury. Bruce bruce turf toe. Some kind of broken metatarsal bone bruise slip on mcdonald's bag no brandon marshall joining the inside the nfl studio. That's the voice bart scott. He's joining us this morning. The eleven year. Nfl vet. he'll be playing the role of key this morning so keys. Football knowledge is second to number bart right here as a football. Start himself with the ravens and the jets here. Jill void day trader the multitude screens. There's a there's a laptop there's there's do cell phones going but it's great to have you here a pleasure. It's awesome to have you here. we're gonna talk a little. Nfl we're going to start with a little college football and guys top of mind. Is this alabama's back at the top of the pole. There the number one team in the country they have the number one coach in this sport arguably the number one coach of all time. The betting favourite. Believe it or not for the heisman. The number one choice is their quarterback. Now the reason this game with lsu is off and hopefully will be made up at some. Particular point is because of an outbreak on the defending national champions. They may not have enough scholarship players. There so bereft of talent right now. Coach is trying to squeeze guys from around the roster at the quarterback position. this isn't like backup offensive. Tackle fifth guy on special teams. They're looking to find in round out the quarterback situation for the champs but they're on their way to their worst ever season for a defending champion. Nobody's played this bad following a championship. But right now it's all about alabama. They're the focal point. What do you guys make of the fact that this game right now is off the books and may not be made up especially playoff implications for alabama at stake. But i mean for me. It's twenty twenty. Were the strength of schedule with lsu. Been so bad. I mean how can they even help alabama move. They have no shot of winning his game. They understand that's why listen to me. Oh man in j will was talking about it. this would have been like the Know if this will be on the other side they would probably say you know what Alabama's what you know. Let's take the Nick sabin ill covert test three three three hours. Take on a role. You'll be all done. They would have been back but you know coach. Oh saying you know what. Let's just pause this one. Let's hope we don't get splattered. I want to get beat down. So it's like one of those things where you saying you know what who needs a game. It's not gonna affect the the schedule alabama still going to be number one. You know you have clemson. You have notre dame that's moving up. I mean. I think this game could be pushed off and i wonder if we get into this world where you know. It's it's subjective anyway. Know college football. Subjective when you just try to guess you have a panel of trying to figure who's number one number two. What is the big ten wearing this whereas come in. I think everybody understands that. Alabama's the better team. It's unfortunate but i think we all expected this evening this season to be uneven. We i didn't come into a season with cova an all. The moving parts expecting everything to play out the way it was supposed to originally be played out. And there's been nothing that's been prepared about an unprepared year that we've had in two thousand and twenty. So i understand that a team like texas am might want to have the hope that a loss to lsu might be able to propelled them into a position to have a chance to go into the playoffs but reasonably when you look at it all right. So the fact that alabama beat texas am but in texas. Am beat florida right. So if this were like just like bart said if this were the lsu team from last year it was a monumental game. I think we would have found some way to see if we can test. Lsu out in order to play but lsu also has another game that they need to make up with florida before that correct. There's there's a lot of moving parts here. And i didn't come into it expecting if we miss it. I kinda i'm okay with zubin limb okay with it. Let's run through the calendar as to both of your points college football always been excuse me somewhat uneven. Some teams are saying we can play an fc team. Certain conferences like the big ten or saying we don't play the certain leagues play eight conference games. Certain play nine. Certain are playing cross divisional games every so often certain aren't in the big twelve you play. Everybody wants guarantee a true round. Robin can't do that in the big ten of the sec. Because they both have fourteen team. So you're right it's unwieldy at the start so if the sports gonna be uneven. There is no commissioner. There's no uniformity it a year like twenty twenty when everything's out the window. It's business as usual for college. Football jays point the. Sec is baked in one week at the end of the season for any makeup games. That's when lsu in florida would meet the problem is. There's only one week to do it. So if lsu to play alabama. Well i guess they're out of luck at the moment because their one week is december twelve against florida. They have two games to make up one week to do it. The numbers don't make sense. Sec commissioner greg. Sankey on the paul finebaum show on monday. Said the bottom line is no matter how convoluted gets. They're going to try to play every single game they can. We just have to manage through that and we'll work with our universities our ethics programs to do so. We don't have an infinite amount of time and that's where the pressure over these last four or five weeks starts to mount so the adjustments. Maybe a little bit different than we contemplated six weeks ago. Votes still are focused on trying to play as much football schedule as possible. That's the big comment as much as possible. Here's whereas thinks for florida. Because florida will then have to play. Lsu alabama will be idle being rested getting ready to play florida when they come out of that game. And that's look you can always find argument. I hear some coaches say. Well we want to continue to play to keep our legs and keep our you know. Get a lather. But then if you're bama having a week off to rest and prepare for your opponent knowing that you're going to play them allowing extra time for nick sabin and company to scheme. That's a major advantage and we talk about a two week opportunity to break down your opponent. And who knows if they're going to get out of that game healthy what injuries. You're going to have and like listen. The the craziest thing is cova cove is like the thing that you really can't account for because when to break sal is nothing you can do about it. You have to shut teams. Now doesn't matter that this would have happened in the big ten big ten. You would have been out for three weeks. And where does that come in effect. What happens to wisconsin to these other schools and i. It's all subjective is all about the committee but we know what it looks like when we see it we know top five team we said and you hope that the conference tournaments will help trying make get somebody's these ads that we need a couple of other things to keep in mind too. There are a lot of people. That said the sec. Everything they possibly could member. They started their season on september. Twenty six the acc and other league started around september twelfth so they waited unlike the big ten. They never cancelled the season slash postpone the season. They said we're in a holding pattern. We'll see where the viruses and initially it worked even though there were outbreaks before game started. So they get some credit for waiting for not postponing then. They had the foresight to put that december twelfth week on the back of the schedule to save. Anybody needs to play. Here's what we can do the makeup date so for me. Personally i'm not gonna blame greg sonke because they were cautious at the beginning. They didn't overreact but they realized something was going to happen so they baked in a week at the end of the schedule. Now the one thing. I would say if you don't root for somebody like florida or alabama right now. Who are on the track to play in the sec championship game. There are a dozen other teams in the league. So if you do have a game that has been canceled. It needs to be made up. The league is saying even though over the years there has been one standalone date for the sec title game. It's the only game that's going on in our league so everybody can watch. They are saying that if you're a fan of one of the other twelve teams and you have a game postponed. You can make that game up. On december nineteenth. It would obviously be a jv affair. Because everybody's gonna wanna watch the championship game. But it is notable for the student athletes for the coaches and for the fans that if you have an opportunity to make a game up they will allow you to do it on conference championship saturday. I think that's pretty cool. And i'm trying to figure out like when it's the national championship. Nfl you should have baked in tom and makeup gains. Because you'd think about bove's bowl season is pretty much a month so same thing no matter what you should be at if you need to move there. You're you're you're you're conference championship. You should be able to move in. It should be fine. All i'm saying. Is that when you jump off the cliff and you're assembling the plane on the way down. I'm sure you're going to miss some screws here there but damn this plane looks pretty thirty considering how the put together so quickly it looks pretty. And if i'm looking at it to bart just to say. I really feel like the college. Football playoffs are going to be locked. Doug locked pretty much alabama's on this path like we seen them dominate texas a. and m. texas him to be to find some way of this doesn't leave it to the florida. I feel like alabama dame ohio state and clemson but that's going to be your also playoffs. Yeah for teams that are on the outside looking in cincinnati and byu remember no group of five teams ever made the playoff by the way quickly to bars point. They have eliminated eligibility for bowls with regards to wins this year. You don't have to have six. You just have to be playing team. And they're going to waive it. So bowls will be a little bit fan base this year indeed. That can't travel this. go around. There will be no cameron crazies. This year do skiing aggregate with mister duke on the dr pepper twitter feed so what arena is most impacted by not having fans due to cove it be a part of the keyshawn jay williams zubin nation on the dr pepper twitter feed it could be any arena and stadium. You tell us. Espn nation presented by dr pepper. It's official college. Football's back says your favourite. Dr pepper loving college football fans ville head to a store near you to treat your inner college football fan to an old twenty ounce dr pepper today on the way the nfl's loan unbeaten and they're big opponent of the season is an even on the schedule. Your miles go. 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It's like two days here for barra. I thought they eliminated those. You got this radio show and your own radio. Show new york coming up later today. Eight a more. You can do to cool. I got no life talk so that means be ready for tomorrow just lives. He got no excuse to tell us. You can't be here tomorrow. Keep with it as bandage on their man. Put the foot up man. I saw good. I got you but you're gonna come back in studio paul. Pierce played out for meals glasses on footprints footprint and speaking of the footprints steelers right now lead to a path of kobe. What else is new. Ben rothlisberger among four pittsburgh steelers placed on the team's co bid reserve nine thousand nine hundred list yesterday. And we mention here the couple of the other guys. I always like to mention who some of these guys are. Because anytime you're involved in something like this you're not just one to fifty three or fifty five year. An actual human being so offensive linemen gerald hawkins running back jalen samuels and linebacker vince. Williams along with big men coming in close contact with vance mcdonald teams tight end so they are all in the protocol program. At the moment we should mention that they could be back in the steelers facility. Saturday if they test negative and they don't develop symptoms which means essentially all of them could play against the cincinnati bengals without practicing right. They'd be back on the field saturday for the walk through. But when you're quarterbacks in the league for seventeen years he could probably miss a divisional game against an opponent like cincinnati. He's played a million times. It's time for straight talk. Brought to you by straight. Talk wireless straight to mike tomlin with the very latest on those four. I just mentioned it is our desire to participate holy in the procedure. Those guys will be working remotely throughout the weekend testing daily as long as their tests. Come back negative. We believe they're all four guys. Have an opportunity to be made available to list or saturday guys have more experienced in those is so lean on that experience. Guys like ben and williams. I have an opportunity to suit up and play for us this weekend and no simply work remotely and sharpen their florida in that way. So what do you think about that fella. Sharpen their swords big coaching cliche. Obviously here if this game for whatever reason to not be played and remember games have been moved around the nfl scheduled. They've been postponed. They've been moved the day here day there but no game has actually been cancelled at this point. So that's important to keep in mind but it could happen at any point which is why the nfl is thinking about expanding the playoff field. So jd your point the steelers on track for they're trying to go sixteen and no but if this game doesn't happen in the go fifteen in ohio and another team goes fifteen in one and suddenly we're not playing the same amount of games. What do you think about that. And what do you think about a team that could be on the doorstep of history at sixteen ano- but might not get the chance to get their if hypothetically scenario were to occur and they become fifteen or no people can't remember what they did yesterday. You think people are going to going to remember the fact that that pittsburgh didn't cincinnati bengals a team that is last in their division or two and five. I love seeing the bengals play. I love joe burrow. I think what they have is something special there for the future but they were miss one game or even two games considering their next opponents are the bengals and then the jaguars now. We're talking about the ravens game week. Twelve the ravens that game a game that it was a fight for them to get through in the first place their first matchup then. I think that will become a big issue. We'll be talking about it but with the bengals come on man. If they were to messiah game we wouldn't be talking about it there. So no real. Quick to jay's point the one thing about the ravens you mentioned that is a hypothetical because they're just higher brow opponent that the cincinnati bengals but remember that game scheduled to be played on thanksgiving. The league is going to make sure they have a prime time thanksgiving game a little over a decade. Now they've been playing third game on thanksgiving in prime time thinks the country. That's thanks to my detroit. Lions yes always stay right. Detroit data listeners. Get somebody after a night game for point bar real quick. I just wanted to mention that game is scheduled to be the night game right so somebody would have to be moved to a short week. That game is on a thursday. And for whatever reason to jay's point that one can't be played they would have to slide a game in there and that would be unfair to to a team to make them play on four days rest when they're not expecting the plan. I think that was the happen. You would just cancel the game. You have to pre Primetime game at old network a game. But you know listener might homeland tell you why leadership matters right. Because no matter what he says. I just have conviction that is going to be okay. There's no situation that's too big or too small for him. I feel like he's a guy that's really about the details and listen. Big band has been hurt often in most great players. Don't practice during the week especially when you get later at the november december. Anyway they kind of let the backup handled the. Nobody wants to see mason. Rudolph play that the bangles. Every time i think of i remember him like they took the face masks off man like take my helmet. Take my face masks off even like evil. Knievel look this stuff. Man that's mean that never died but You know they're planning to bengals and you know when you look at nobody cares. I don't care like entitled town. it's about championship. so rather you go fifteen and sixteen to know to me. This is a heavily flawed team as well. That's what makes this season so great every team that you say rather sixteen and over others. Kansas city. they all have words and it's all about who's going to be able to play in the the the thing that you curb out that you can't account for its covert because what happens if somebody gets covert during the playoffs and you and you lose the player that can't play what happens to the protocol. We saw just turner. What happens to the protocol. If somebody tests will be one of these mystery. Nick sabin test outs. Because you know you wanna have you talk about competitive advantage. Are we going to be their move. Some these the reason why the. Nfl decided to start their season on time. It's the flexibility to add weeks into the season because the nfl is a sport that it doesn't matter about the weather and they gotta go into march they can go into march. So that's the beauty about what's going on. I think they can make up any game if they really want to. If they were to mrs game if it were to be cancelled think about how that would be such a benefit to the pittsburgh steelers that actually got there by week taken away do tonight game with the titans indict so. This might be the rest if it did happen. This might be arrested at big ben. The guy who is injury prone might need order to help them get through to a longer season. Fair enough straight talk wireless no contract no compromise. Our nfl insider jeremy fowler with much more inside the steelers organization. How they're handling the week. He knows the organization well plus the cowboys and what they might do with their high high draft pick. He's on the way on the shell. Pennzoil performance line in fifteen minutes on the way simply put one of the greatest players in. Nfl history says the eagles got it all wrong when they made their quarterback choice. There is no shave when it comes to the. Nfl's all time interception leader. It is by a mile brett farve so just keep that in the back of your mind when you hear these comments we all know carson wentz is struggling. He's a gunslinger. He's had interception problems. He's had fumbling problems one of the greatest players. nfl history. the hall of famer was on. I take yesterday and essentially said when the eagles pared it down and said we're going with whence red farve says they were going in the wrong direction when they made that choice actually thought that they should've kept nick foles rather than carson wentz just based off of production where they got to super bowl with foale's and that was a little bit surprising but they're obviously banking on his upside. Yom how many more years do you let it linger before you. Just stick with him where you cut bait. That's a question. They only can answer india. Now just to remind your father did play forever and when you play all of your stats. Good and bad. Go up from one thousand nine hundred ninety one to two thousand ten. He threw three hundred thirty six interceptions. Nobody else in the nfl has ever thrown hundred. So i get it. He's a gunslinger. That's partly made him a legend. But what do you guys feel about him. Weighing in on essentially saying they made the wrong call the guy that won their one and only super bowl in franchise. History is the guy. They should've kept the breath favor. Because i got a call them breakfast when he started palm. Tag leader what do you do see draft. Did he have copper fit over his hand or something like that. Like what the hell is going on. Man i listen. I hate when my when my ledges by icons gum. That's the worst. Takeover heard like win. Has nick foles ever been. Mvp candidate never. He's when he went down to the he went to. The rams with jeff fisher. They cut him as soon as they could. He lost his job to many mania man that wears cut off jeans and moose knuckles. Like what the hell are we talking about. Are you kidding me like every time. He's an opportunity to step up and be the guy he's he's shown is that he's not the guy right like he's done. I said before we were laughing about like he's irael one. He's great in moderation. You know what. I'm saying like he's a guy that you just wanna have bits and splashes of what is he doing in chicago. Nothing like you have to understand. What's going on in philadelphia now. Is that now. The credit card bill is due j. Will right. they've been overspending next year. They reportedly sixty four million dollars over the cap. They got a team that has gotten old. They had their window their window came. They won the super bowl. A close nine gotta tear it all down just like they had to do and seattle when they had to get rid of the leading a boom and go through. Russell wilson restart. It's not whence sees under duress every single play. He's running for life. He has the worst offense align was used to be a strobe. Jason peters is great. He's a hall of famer. He's over the hill. He's a guy that they brought into play gar. And they say more cheese on my taco you want me to slide out and played his left tackle bro and then he's not playing left tackle for reason so he's out there doing more with less and he's out there fighting for his life but you can't compare to talent a nick foles in carson was. It's not him quote. I agree with you. i think it's a convenient take. And but just here's what drives philadelphia fans crazy. You ready even though it is a convenient take as a fan. I don't know the intricacies of the game as well as you do. I may be informed with my team salary cap. My goal line is decimated. I maybe seeing him run for his life but the same time just watching the way. Nick foles took us to a super bowl. How he wanted right. That's philadelphia it blue collar. It's but i've never been a superstar. I've always had the work my way. Climb grind up the ladder and see the way ended when nick foles. It's easy to think long term that hey he could have been the guy that really a pit mayes who we are as people right. It's never been the good sir. Glam hollywood but when you dig deep it's actually not that easy. It's not that convenient. Okay he's johnson. He's trent dilfer. He would just hold an old to the dan stairwell man he wanted. He drove it though. He ain't you drink. I want to monterey soon. But look i drink wine every night to get every night so that when you drink that kind of whining you see where that wind got you like the way that winds but when you break it down and go through it with a fine tooth comb while were able to be such a dominant team. Why would they ever go to that for that. Run is because carson wentz was cheap and they're able to go out and get all these luxury pieces. You know what i mean but at the end of the day when you strip on a luxury pieces down now you get to see who you really are. Nick foles was there. This is like what is like the whole batman thing like you either you. The data hero stay around long enough to become the villain. I think that philadelphia is trying to make carson wentz billet. But nick foles died hero so he got out of town and then when it all falls apart in the bill checks up there he might dot or he might die. The bill and as well as tom brady got the hell out of outta town he gets to leave indata hero. It's a great analogy if if he can go back would you pay carson winston money again. Yes you have to like. This guy was eight hundred million dollars. He was an mvp candidate. And really when you look at that contract now. It's really a discount. Because look at what dad prescott going to get just next year could be different though once we get back into it with a cap can due to fans not being extended things at dinner. Today dak prescott. Somebody's going to get paid. Forty million dollars a more jacksonville get paid forty million dollars carson. Wentz is not nearly yeah. I don't know what his cat numbers but he's got to be in the thirties. That's a discount right. That's ten million dollars a year difference and you got him young. He's still young. He should be able to play for another fifteen years. And i know he's always hurt. I know he plays reckless at times. But he's going to be around for your rebuil- so you have to say though is going to be around. I i'm starting to question okay. All the injuries that he's had it good no who. That's where i mean. Look i mean you have to go on the market. But that's almost by default winston who jalen hurts. Okay joan hurts was the conversation came. Anyway i got the peanut gallery talking to me. They're trying to try. Give me the answers. Okay here's two things. We need dimension about once before we move onto some other quarterbacks and we figure out whether they got it wrong or right with our great nfl insider jeremy fowler on the way here in a couple of minutes to talk steelers and cowboys hang tight for that number one truly believes that carson wentz when he got injured in the super bowl season he got injured again in a game against the los angeles rams. He'd essentially played the bulk of the season. And that's the reason. Eagles got the number one seed in the playoffs allowing foles to come in and wins. If you're gonna pay a guy you essentially say look yes. Fulls got us over the top. But we wouldn't even be in this position if it wasn't for carson wentz have to think about him as a franchise sentinel call from that standpoint. Last thing i would say this is. Why far said what he said know. I love the numbers. The eagles record since winning the super bowl. Twelve eleven in one since they got rid of nick foles instead. We're going to wince the twelve eleven in one and that is not where the expected to be so if daddy's one number that could back up what farve is saying so yes bar to sing. That's the worst. it's not. I take your stake. It's i take worst. Take jason fitz. If you're out there start. Branding alan. Let's go to a couple of different quarterbacks that also have their fan bases vaccine again. Jeremy fowler on the way. This one's easy. We're gonna rip through three but let's get through this one because this one's obvious i would imagine what we got to address it. Bears essentially got it wrong trubisky. Yes this one's a little more complicated. Because this guy that the has signed eighty four million dollar contract and sixty six million dollar contract i guarantee all guaranteed the first all guaranteed contracts in nfl history. Of course we're talking cousins mistaker. Not absolutely i mean the. They're going to be an ally they're going to be a top five lottery team potentially Thank god didn't come to the jets man 'cause because you're carrying that contract and waiting for quarterback and trying to get them out of town but i understood what they had to do this. You had to an extension because they need some salary cap relief. I know it's not the sexy. Take like you know. Why did they pay him. They paid him because they needed salary. Cap relief when you could pro rate to salary when you give somebody an extension. I'll just say. Thank god for dalvin. Cook on that team question about it. He's played outstanding. One answer down cook might be running out of top five. Pixel you get a quarterback to replace. That's a great point so all right. So from essentially saying the drafting of mitch trubisky was a mistake. The signing of kirk cousins was a mistake. Of course the other way you can acquire a quarterback is to trade for one. Did the pats make a mistake by trading away jimmy. Not looking like it. Well you look at the past. The patch would like to have them back. We know that bill belichick wanted him to be the successor to tom brady. Tom brady went up to two big. Poppa it's all no he's you know i don't want them here for a fourth round pick. I believe spite. But if you ask the san francisco forty niners fans. I think they would say they were expecting more from jimmy g. You know he doesn't seem like a guy that can make the big plays to one play dax to make our. I'm trying. I know just fans are gonna find this crazy. Sam darnold plan for kyle shanahan next year old. That happens could go on that unleashes him. It has one of the most brilliant coaches we have in the game. And i understand what you're saying barred about jimmy g. players underneath bill bell checking the system. But i feel like i've shanahan can't really unleash him and i tell you really can't he. S go back to jasmine day. I'll tell you what. Sam darnold right. Now is a much better quarterback than jimmy g. and that's not even heartache agreed okay interesting once again jimmy g. From new england to san francisco for a second round pick thought steel at the time. Keyshawn will zubin. Brought to you by straight talk wireless. No contract no compromise. No lack steeler talk. Debit gilbert fires over the middle sodas. It's broken up and complete and the cameras. Over the first time in franchise history and the pittsburgh steelers for the first time in the history of their franchise are eight his frau's today obviously these conversations every week. Now we knock your. Oh yes so. What happens if the steelers can play this game. Against the bengals. On sunday jeremy fowler. Espn nfl insider is here. It's not just this game. Jeremy what is the league planning to do if you have to get into a situation where makeup games are needed well linked to taste. You know some increase and testing results that they've had recently and so they're gonna try to talent through this. You know they have week. Eighteen open Four weeks like this is the safest steelers do have a mini outbreak in the next few days. Now there's growing just pay that it isolated the people they needed to They've been pretty aggressive. They'll probably go virtual all week as far as meetings and Whatever they need to do to prepare. And so i think at this point it has to be a catastrophic situation for the nfl to drop a game Because they're trying to power through here you know. They're telling teams to be ultra aggressive In their tactics to try to try to push through here and isolate players and You know if it gets to that point the making. They can expand the playoffs. They voted to do that from fourteen to sixteen teams. That can only place fifteen games but right now they are still in a good spot to push through here a jeremy. I thought that the reason why allen sills in in the cove. It Teamed kept everything on schedule is because they they want to be able to have the flexibility to extend the season. Now it's been a little unknown. There's been a little secret that the nfl has always wanted to have the super bowl on president's day because they wanted to make it like a holiday. The fact that you know people can watch the super bowl. Have monday off. So i think the nfl has everybody right where they wanted. They can expand the game. But you know because football is a all weather sport they can push the super bowl. You know into. Marta late february needed to be. Yeah for sure they have that that Kind of platform to do that right now. You know there's there's time on their hands but some beginning from what. I've heard they were pretty intent on keeping sort of the ba- flow of a natural. Nfl year together at least for this year if they can you know i think i think long term The president's day option would be on the table. You know The right now the playoffs. They from what i hear. They don't want to push it back for a week if they don't have to. Because you could do that week. Eighteen you know they have one week to to really to really bang all the games that you you might have lost and then go from there. Jeremy collar jobs. Go jeremy fallon joining us on the shell. Pennzoil performance line jerry. Jones is essentially come out said. There's no way through cold water on the notion that they would actually draft a quarterback with their first round pick. We're going to hear from jerry here in just a little did but obviously that's what he's saying publicly privately are they considering it considering they could have a very high draft pick. And there's some sterling college guys out there well. They're not considering it yet but i do think the money will make them have to think about it Now look it. Depends on where he'd be in the draft right if you're a number one able and you can't miss which most teams do at this point at the far different conversation and save your pick in fifth Outside of trevor lawrence and justin fields. It it is a bit more of a crap. Shoot although overall good quarterback class It's gonna come down to are comfortable paying dax thirty five thirty seven million dollars next year. When the salary cap is going to reduce to one seventy five Potentially and so. That's a big drop. Teams are intimidating going as low as that right now because of covid so It just comes down to being able to build a roster and keep back when a year and a half ago you could pay them and it would have been much more manageable So even with the injury. Most people i talked to think he's still going to get top quarterback he'll still be somewhere in the thirty million dollars per year You know the pressure is going to be on to see if they can actually stomach that and still trying to build a roster. That's a great point because the overall rookie contract for whoever goes one. Two three four five wherever the cowboys happened to be. Obviously that could be a one year south for dak prescott at the franchise tag or as part of a multi year deal so that is obviously always have to be taken into account. Great stuff. jeremy thank you very much and we'll keep our fingers crossed for the bengals and steelers this weekend. Thank you thanks jeremy. Thanks guys appreciate it. Let's go from from cameron indoor coliseum and everywhere in between from a suzy. There's some big stuff going on with cameron. Indoor by the way they have announced they're going to be no fans that do games this year. So yes indeed. Jay played in front of so many great cameron crazies over his year. So we're asking you this morning. What arenas most impacted by having no fans hit us up right now. Eight eight say. Espn hard to top cameron. But come up with one eighty eight say. Espn eight eight seven nine. Three seven seven six key. Jay z on twitter. We'll take your calls here in just a second. Abc brought to you by red box. It got new movies at the box streaming on demand from the producers of us. Don't miss antebellum starring janelle monae visit red box dot com for all the ways to watch sons thunder talking a trade that could possibly bring c. p. three to the desert. Espn insider. brian win. Hor says they have a huge hole to fill and this would do it. They need a point guard and they are young team. That need a leader and chris. Paul fills that role perfectly. And no chris paul here. This is a situation where he's very involved in where he can go in this trade and i think he likes the idea that it's potentially close to home in la where his family is. He likes the idea of playing with devon booker and it fits for a lot of reasons. Nothing imminent jaber. What do you think easy for the sun to make this trade due to the cap space. I know a lot of what about the clippers. Be three has a home in. La it just depends on what the clippers will have to give up in that trade scenario to make that work. But i will say for phoenix. If there's one thing that you want for phoenix you want to keep devon booker in that state. You want to keep him there. You do whatever you need to do now. I know you may have to give up. One of the valley. Boys and kelly oubre in order to make that happen and ricky rubio to get cb three but if that keeps devin booker there. If you're you're you're phoenix suns fan. You want to do that. But you can think about bubble booker. And i understand that. The phoenix was on fire. When it got to the bubble. But i just don't understand what the motivation is for three at some point to to cap off the cherry on top of his legacy. You gotta wanna win title so it seems to me that the natural destination would be clippers to be the cherry on top and you know they need a point guard the worst way we understand that kawhi may not be sold on on patrick beverley loved intensity brings but he has a silly c. Three i think locks everybody. He's a guy that the leader did. They need to take those tough shots in a game. Because as great. As as as is paul george's they need alpha male to come in there and say you guys be pit bulls. I'll i'll tell you guys were to go. And we said we're going from cameron door to the coliseum. A former part of that cameron indoor duke will not have fans at cameron indoor stadium this season. They announced it on tuesday. That hurts the do blue devils number nine in the preseason poll which came just a few days ago opened the season november twenty fifth at home with no fans against gardner webb. Do cameron crazies all tied inextricably linked j. You know that better than anybody as duke national champion. Yeah and i say this objectively. Because i call college basketball for a very long time went around saw tun of different arenas and have great relationships with all these coaches cameron. Indoor stadium is the camelot college basketball. It really is nine thousand three hundred fourteen people to be exact and they are literally on top of you they are you feel the ground moving underneath you and the fans interactions with the opposing teams. That chance the amount of preparation to due diligence that they do in that game mixed such a world of difference. And i know that when you're bigger stadiums football stadiums the arrowhead. I can only imagine how much more quiet is but when you're inside this sound echo. You can't hear yourself. Think because of the intimacy on that court want to get to the phone lines. Let's hit it up. Nikki you're on. Espn radio we're asking this morning. What arena stadium. Anything is most impacted by having no fans this season. What are you have well. I'm from indiana so jacomb. Probably guess what i'm gonna say know hasn't been announced it hasn't been announced yet but assembly hall. I mean indiana was on a roll last march. I mean they were so close to make in the tournament and then bam it just off stopped and these kids are so excited play. We have a kid from evansville. Where i'm from kristen lander. He's going to be playing for us this year. He graduated high school a year early. He'll play for them. So you know those poor kids if they don't get fans in the stand it's gonna be sad respected respect nikki. My wife graduated from. Are you my brother-in-law graduate from my father-in-law graduate from are are you So i've been to a symbol multiple times. That place is rockin. We'll say assembly hall. And i'll give you another one Place out in kansas. Just man. i'm telling you. I thought cameron. Indoor stadium was loud. If you're seeing a game at kansas florence's different allen fieldhouse assembly hall cameron indoor stadium those legendary buildings and for indiana. It would have been great this year. Because they're under a lot of pressure their head coach archie miller. They haven't made the ncaa tournament since he's been there. They have a great homecourt advantage. It's an old school barn. Just like allen. Fieldhouse just like cameron indoor stadium j. There is something romantic instead of all these palaces. Twenty thousand people. These old creaky little bandbox is really do capture. That noise and it is a timeless relic. I think about the region's we're talking about me. With the exception of the pacers. But still you're talking about one of the founding places for basketball in indiana these college arenas are the biggest thing that these towns these states have going so it means so much more to the no question about it means so much more to jerry jones at the age of seventy eight to try to get a super bowl nikki. Hit us up on the dr pepper. Call in line. You can to sambo hall carrier dome allen fieldhouse. You tell us jerry says. We're not drafting a quarterback but should day. The discussion commences now. Thanks for listening to keyshawn. J. willin two-bit make sure to subscribe rate and review. You can hear the show live weekdays at six eastern on. Espn radio espn news. For we ever you stream your audio.

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01/15: Clemson just beat UNC and Duke in consecutive games for the first time in 30 years. Plus: mailbag!

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01/15: Clemson just beat UNC and Duke in consecutive games for the first time in 30 years. Plus: mailbag!

"Hey there it's scary. It's Wednesday Wednesday January fifteenth. Two Thousand Twenty welcome back to the CBS sports eye on college basketball. podcast where we sometimes discuss Campbell fighting and leak Black Matt norlander. He's here with me and I suppose we'll start the biggest development from Tuesday night and that was what took place inside Littlejohn Coliseum lost clemson final scores. Seventy nine seventy two Brad. Brennan Tigers with the victory so duke now has two losses and not just two losses but two losses to sub seventy five. Kim Pom Teams. One was at home home to Stephen F.. Austin the father of Texas the daddy of Duke. The other was on the road to a Clemson team that had previously lost at home to Virginia Tech South Carolina. A Yale in Miami you wrote about it deadly Norrland or what did you make do going down inside a little John I did. I did not right about it. I talked about it on. CBS Sports HQ. What did I make? You should W- what were you doing all night Tuesday night then was doing the court report and going on. CBS Sports HQ and talking about Clemson knocking off Duke Lazy and now we gotTa Talk. We gotTA talk on. Video for living is what it is actually a Hanley busy night in sports. There watched all the second half of this game. What did I make? It took a good foul shooting team and that came back to bite him Clemson had a nice shooting night. Not a really not a strong offensive team overall for most of the season. But that was not the case at home and here. We are with Clemson winning back-to-back Games Against Carolina and Duke. Obviously the win at Carolina. First Time ever in program history but it has won two games in a row and those games being UNC and Duke before just only twice before in program history the most recent happening back in one thousand nine hundred ninety so congrats on getting a win as a quick aside. I don't I really don't know how vulnerable Brad Brownell job security is or isn't getting. This kind of these kind of wins can really go a long way in the ACC being soft maybe Clemson is going to have a chance to get enough. Wins to to keep him on. Obviously he carries a very good reputation for being one of the better guys in the profession. There for Duke. This now opens up an interesting can of worms. Obviously I have been singing the tune beating the drum strumming the guitar about Duke being the Best Team in college basketball and in fact still rate says number one at Ken Palm Right now Even in spite of this loss which was a road loss but you know. Interestingly enough do want Ken Palm how about this at Tora Vic I checked it before we did the podcast. Kansas is still number one with three losses and a part of IX rankings are predictive basis like pomeroy 's Dayton is too and then Duke is three so we've got this weird disparity between what voters are giving us and what computer metrics forgiving us. I find it to be fascinating because also still number one at Saguiaran as of Wednesday morning so two things can be true at the same time do can still be empirically. Statistically Strong Zima College basketball and yet have these two weird losses. Duke will not be number one in the power rankings. When they refresh on Thursday? Where did you have the blue devils when you refresh your top twenty five and one in light of what is now as you said? A second sub seventy-five chem palm loss at obviously puts them with two worse losses. Really than more than anyone else. That's even remotely in the conversation right now in terms of those top ten teams. Yeah I dropped them to number nine and I don't really think that they're our eighteen. Is better than do like if you told me right now. Hey instantly tournament starting tomorrow these sixty eight teams are in it. I'm going to allow you to pick eight to to win win the National Championship. Knock it out. I Duke would be in my eight. But it's not in my top eight at the top twenty five one right now and it's for the same reasons that Duke is GonNa would be different in human polls than it is in the computers. You know whether it's Kim Palm tour vic the any of the you know a predictive rankings. They don't care. Primary thing is not who wins or loses. That's right where I it's not it's not results oriented and I think that human rankings should be results oriented and I know that there is a debate to have and I understand the other side of it but I fundamentally London mentally believed that you win the Games you win and you lose the Games you lose and you should be ranked accordingly. I don't really care too much about who is better better from a point per possession perspective when we're talking about bodies of work like you win the game or you lose the game if we can divide literally national championships based on who wins and loses. No matter how it happens then we can decide. I think rankings based on who wins or loses no matter how it happened so the truth is when you look at Duke Right now you just wake up this morning or in my case you know at three am before you go to bed and you take a fresh look at the resume. They've got some big wins. That help offset the bad losses. But they've got unusually bad losses for a perceived elite team and when I started knocking taking them down I got him to nine. No problem and you can reasonably drop them even lower than that but nine based on. WHO's Tan Dan? WHO's eleven? Who's twelve felt about right? Yeah I'm I'm a believer that you If voters so choose to want to do this you can take What the metrics are giving us and you know there are quantifiable ratings and factors that go in that? Frankly you know that a human can interprets used apple. You got to you. The results got to pay some big factors here as well and so yeah Duke Dukes. They're fascinating case case right now man just on the on what you're saying right now let let me say this. There's a a voted him Jesse new and he he covers Kansas in. He works works at the Kansas City Star. And he's he's he's good at his job but he doesn't seem to take the results of games that seriously so when college poll trekker releases the balance each week and people can go thumbs up down or most extreme ballot like. He's always right there. And every single week St- Multiple people send me his balance. They go get him perish politics column and I have done it before but I haven't done it this season. I don't think because like he's got his his own philosophy and it's much better when I can write that column and somebody goes. Ooh You got me what you know like I I messed up. He will not add knowledge is that he messed up. He will just acknowledge that his approach is different but the thing that has got people sending me his Balance Week is that when he turned it in Sunday night Monday morning running he still has Kansas ranked ahead of Baylor and based on the results of the Games. That have happened this season. There is no intelligent way to have Kansas ranked ahead of Baylor. bathers got better winds bathers beaten Kansas at Allen fieldhouse. There's no way based on results that that Kansas should be ranked ahead of Baylor but there are some computers computers that say Kansas should be ranked ahead of Baylor and so that is the the the the the process that gets him to having Kansas and had a baylor. But I I just fundamentally disagree that the result shouldn't matter or if the predictive metrics suggests that one team team is better than the other if oddsmakers say if this game play tomorrow and a neutral this team would beat this team if the results of the season don't Mesh then I lean toward trust the results of the season. Forget about the predictive metrics in this specific case I'd lean way more with you than Jesse in this regard. Jesse does a Jesse is one of the best. I beat writers in the game does a great great job covering Kansas and I'm not tracking his ballot weekly. But I see what you're saying I I've seen some of the critiques He. He is simply allowing the computers. Do Thinking for him when it comes to this. Okay that's method. He's going to say I'm going to trust what the computers tell me. I'm going to lead lead me down that trail for the most part which is which I it's going to get. Kansas fans riled up Kansas still ahead of Baylor in palm in the massive composite in tour and Saccharin. It's still rates as a better eighteen baylor. Okay that's because one individual head to head result should not necessarily dictate whether one team is stronger than the other week once we especially once we get to thirty thirty to thirty four games sample size nice. That's particularly true. But I don't necessarily have a huge issue with this approach in this regard because we talked about frequently before it actually is a good way to push back on potential and maybe unintentional group drink on behalf on behalf of the voting body but in this particular particular instance there is no defending ranking Kansas. Ahead of Baylor unless you are going to say simply. The computers are doing the thinking for me. They are saying Kansas better than Blake. I'm going to abide ride by that and continue to vote like that and by the way the difference is minuscule. I mean look at a number of multiple Advanced and predictive metrics. It's literally Kansas. And then Baylor you know in that in that two to three spotter wanted to spot cetera et cetera. So it's very small real quick though. GP because we were talking about. We were talking about Duke here. It is going to set up an interesting in conversation with the Blue Devils. The rest of the way. We'll get to previewing Louisville on the next podcast. 'cause that's going to be the biggest game with a weekend all that stuff and Louisville's maybe going to to cameron indoor for that but since the ACC isn't so strong clemson technically right now and the moment is recorded podcast that registered as a quad one loss for duke because it was on the road and Clemson seventy fifth in the net but that could easily float right there in the Quad Roman. That's where you can get into will just a minor issues with just the cutoff lines and all that difference between Quad one quad. Seventy five or seventy six clemson just barely reaches that bar but it wouldn't surprise. GBD's are yes potential seed bump this a seed bump kind of defeat. Can't deny it when you've got this the Stephen F. Austin if dukes going to be trying to track toward winning the ACC and it takes even more sketchy loss you know whether it's a losing at home to Notre Dame or if it just you know say Virginia's just not that good in general do tripped up near the end of the regular season against Virginia. That's where I think we're going to have of an interesting conversation nationally. Just outside of this podcast you know in print digital television podcasts. All that stuff about I could easily see duke being like four loss team of five loss team when we get to selection Sunday rating as the number one two or three team in college basketball and a lot of people just selling on Duke in general because we think for carries been great. But I would say to this point because it's still relatively young trae Jones although we returned is not some you know absolute dynamo. I think people have not yet been convinced of dukes greatness the way that people often are about big time teams getting to mid January and holding a number one two or three ranking in the polls also if you follow my logic there I know there's a Duke van listening right now. WHO's thinking to himself or herself? Hey listen these losses. They're still only two of them on the resume and they're not really as bad as you guys are making him out to be Stephen F.. Austin has shown itself to be a pretty good college basketball team and losing that Clemson Simpson. There's nothing embarrassing about that Clinton for God's sakes just went to Chapel Hill and I hear you but again the there's some I think some people follow their teens. I think most people follow their teams and don't follow the rest of the country nearly as closely as people who get paid to do it. I'd like you and I do so. Here is some context for you about what Dukes loss column looks like right now Trivia time town Trivia. What other teams norlander? Yeah in the top twenty of the current eight people have multiple losses on the resume. K of which is a cute three or or worse loss. Is this one of those trick questions where I'm supposed. I think it's at least one zero. No it's not a zero. It's not looking at the rankings. And let me make sure I have a right and we have right right. Duke now has two losses. One is the home loss to Stephen F.. Austin a father of Texas daddy of Duke that is a quad three loss and the loss at Clemson. When I went to bed it was a two loss so trivia time had to change early this morning because it was initially how many teams ranked teams have a cue to have two losses below the Q.? One level okay. But then the clip Clemson jump to seventy fifth of the net as you point out accurately and so now that's a cute one loss so the new trivia the time is what other teams in the top twenty of the current eight people have multiple offices one of which is a cute three or worse loss. We Know Duke is one of the teams James. How many others exist Man and there is another one There's two more trivia time I gotta get them. Okay all right. Gosh getting fired up here on a Wednesday morning. Michigan State is the first one that comes to mind but I don't think that's right now. Virginia Tech is a one loss. It is okay the top twenty said and I'm not I'm not looking at the rankings here so I'm trying to do this off taught my head cut it twentieth because Illinois down. I was trying to make make the list shorter. So does he. And I don't have the I is Villanova won a Villanova's not one. What are these as is going to be very obvious to you? When I say you'll go? Oh my God of course. What am I thinking really multiple losses one of which is Creek Q.? Three three or worse. There's no way it's Maryland Maryland's losses are all good. SO THAT'S A. That's a team. That has a lot of losses that springs to mind. But it's not the turps right at at the championships all their loss. Good I want to get at least one here man. The here's why I love Trivia time because there are are who knows how many people that know because if you're a fan of the evening at their phone right now I think one of them is totally obvious if you just think of what the worst losses good teams I can tell you what am I doing what am I doing okay. Obviously Ohio state on a neutral. That's a cute one loss. I UTA on a neutral and then Evansville at home so the youtall losses acute two loss and the Evansville at home is actually acute three loss so Kentucky. Tuck is one of the other one tougher tougher and also deserves deserves an Asterik because when this team lost it's cute three game the team that beat it anywhere close to Q.. Three it's just gone the wrong directions since that game happened in the battle for Atlantis. So that would have been a top ten. Pick got Hurt to what am I doing right now. Kenza no Michigan no Oregon Oregon. Oh Oregon Yeah Oregon. Yes yeah they lost to Gonzaga neutral on the road so those are live. What's the loss North Carolina on an uh-huh? Yeah they'd played. UNC I'm not remembering the plane. UNC there. We go absolutely disgusted with myself. That was the poorest trivia time performance perhaps in history on the price is right. Fail Horn. Awful Kentucky should've been easy because they've got that that lost evansville. You're lucky that's cute at all I. It should be Q.. Q. Forty home off Evansville Q.. Forty loss but the Oregon is a little different because when it lost the North Carolina North Carolina was obviously a different team but still On the team sheet that is going to be acute three laws. So here's my point. You can say say that these duke losses. Aren't that bad but no other top twenty team. Has I mean shouldn't say almost no other top twenty team has losses like Dukes dukes losses right now. The wind column helps offset it. The computer numbers helps US offset it but that duke loss column is problematic right now. I didn't use the term seed headlined bump last night on inside basketball but I do think you something similar to that. The point out that these losses could be problematic automatic on selection Sunday because I would assume that the other potential number one seeds are going to have losses that aren't nearly as questionable as Dukes two losses right now. That's going to be the case but I'll see what might help duke and we don't have to go way back deep into the big ten but for example like Maryland but what might help duke besides just being called Duke right well no just like in. This regard like Maryland gets a nice opportunity on the road on Tuesday. Night should've defeated Wisconsin. Instead it doesn't and it's it's it's taking on too many losses it's going to have. I mean we could get to a point where Maryland has nine lost. All Quad Variety is going to be interesting to see what the Michigan State of Maryland How those teams are treated whereas Duke? You know it's really looking like Florida. State and Louisville are going to be the only two teams that are competing with Duke to win the ACC. And if you win the ACC depending on the total. I don't know I mean. Louisville got like Louisville did really good for itself and getting a win in overtime against Pitt with controversial call. It wasn't a great call. I get that I think roster and call it an abomination among all abominations thought it an abomination forty four times in roll live on television. It was I'll say this it was not a good call off blown call. It wasn't the worst call I've ever seen if you're pit you're frustrated. It's a great opportunity of Louisville. Gets the good win and advance of now having a pissed off duke team. So we'll see there are there are other teams that are gonna be fighting for that one line there from the big ten maybe even like. I don't know it's GonNa be interesting. I Duke is still going to have a chance if it doesn't take another are bad loss because you're going to have teams picking each other off in other leagues and like can Kansas Baylor Baylor in West Virginia or Kansas in West Virginia Virginia. Can they both emerge from the big twelve to get the one we wait and see on that It should be. It should be interesting but you know another bad loss. If they they get a third one then we can do a serious evaluation on what this team is. There isn't but road game clemson place. Well you shoot from the foul line. We're not full strength. No Joey Baker no one of the factors well and so now duke just becomes more of curious case than we thought it would be and we'll wrap this segment up with You know what a few days. It's been for Clemson fans. You'll you win a basketball game in North Carolina for the first time in history on Saturday Saturday then you lose the national championship game in football to Lsu. On Monday and then on Tuesday you basketball team bounces back and beats duke inside Little Johnny and I saw somebody tweet last night. I'd give him credit if I could remember the name but I can barely remember my name at this point Said said Clemson football had to die so clemson basketball could leave something. No clemson fan wants. I don't even know Brad. Brownell wants that. Like every Clemson fan in the world with trade the two basketball wins for the football. Every clemson fan in the world would say I'll take if it means. Our basketball team goes OH and thirty. I'll take it like no doubt about it. So listen what a nice little run for Clemson basketball not so much for Clemson football but either way it was a fun I still oh can enjoy even though I'm anti court storm. I can still enjoy the visual of a court storming when a school that is not a traditional basketball power knocks out of the biggest brand in the sport. Like what happened on Tuesday night so that was a fun. A fun thing to see let's move on. CB McGrath was fired by UNC. Wilmington this week just nineteen gains into his third season led to an interesting debate on social media. We're going to get into that next but first check this out boy. The host of the State of combat podcast with Brian Campbell. Twenty twenty is going to be a huge year for Combat Sports Sports Conor McGregor return the fury wiler heavyweight boxing rematch. How about the WBZ's royal rumble? That's just in the first two months we've got you covered each week with special episodes episodes dedicated to each port wrestling. MMA boxing by coast include UFC Hall of Famer Rashad Evans And New York Times bestselling author view the best interviews interviews with the SEC. In our instant analysis podcast recorded immediately following the biggest fights download and subscribe to the State of Combat Today on Apple. PODCAST spotify wherever you find podcast so CB McGrath was fired by UNC. Wilmington on Monday just nineteen games into his third season that led to a social media debate prompted by our pal Jeff Goodman who insisted that CB was done wrong because two and a half years more or less isn't long enough to determine if a coach is right or wrong for job. According to Goodman and some others coaches deserve at least four seasons do. Do you believe that Matt norlander do coaches believe at least decor coaches deserve at least four seasons basically no matter what I used to believe this I. I was actually pretty permanent Four Seasons as a full recruiting cycle full opportunity. Turn your program around in barring you know personnel issues or your stuff you know away from recruiting and on court performance. You should I am not there anymore if you are an athletic director after President of the university and you think you are three seasons in and the program is clearly going in the wrong direction. There shouldn't necessarily be like we have to go to. Oh four season no matter what I actually think you can get yourself into some long term problems as a program by doing that. So having a strict in a hard and fast rule about that can get you into some issues. But I did used to believe. But I've AH since evolved in part of that is just in talking. Frankly to coaches over the years that have explained and coaches by the way who would love to have four years but Just learning more about the very harsh realities and I do think that the average person doesn't fully understand like these are great jobs to have any well above the Wilmington level but even even at the Washington level. You're you're paid. Well you you get to be involved in something you absolutely love getting a head. Coaching job is something that thousands of men and women tens of thousands spire too but it is tough and there's a lot of stuff that goes with it McGrath's firing is a bit unexpected. Given that it comes two and a half seasons in he only has had two wins against division competition this season Campbell. Flu Wilmington had not won a game. Since thanksgiving weekend so things are just sliding this is a program. That's made six cents tournament since two thousand Kevin was there. He took that program to the next level before. So it's a little rough. I alternate. Come down this midseason firing. I don't love it. It's hard to judge from the outside in if you don't like there could be you know details. That are important. Like if it's just we suck I wanna I just fire the coach. I don't love this move if your UNC Wilmington I don't believe that firing CB McGrath January fourteenth gives you some sort of doc like fifteen meter lead in the race to get your next coach. Any athletic director worth salt list with a number of names on it. The there are I guarantee you. There are dozens of athletic directors of varying levels around college basketball right now. That no barring a turnaround day will be firing their coach and they already have a list they could well have. I've already started to reach out to representatives of potential You know successors and that humans. UNC Wilmington only publicly. He has an advanced lead on On similar jobs that might come. Open there I prefer not but I don't hate it. Program was clearly going in the wrong direction. And if you need to do it to potentially save the Locker Room give the given assistant a chance Try Not lose eight players to transfer this can also hasten transferring as well. There is no perfect solution. I don't love it. It's part of the reality. I hope it doesn't become a trend. I think it'd be a horrible look for college basketball. I'm not saying it's going to get there. But if we looked we looked up and saw with regularity already like every season okay. There's like five six seven guys getting hacked in January and February. I don't think that's proper practice. I don't think it's going to become that. But in this particular instance you've got a program that has been good with incidentally tournus perations and it's just gone the completely wrong direction since McGrath by all kinds of really good guy Got Two and a half years ago. A great got like I I've known. CB for awhile in on a surface level. I don't think. UNC Wilmington benefits in any way by firing their coach in the middle of January. I agree with you I I also agree with you. You know we're not privy to whatever might be going on behind the scenes here's the truth You know when you cover the NBA there are thirty teams. You can have sources within every organization reasonably We got three fifty three. The truth is not everything is on our radar car and so I'll be completely honest with you UNC Wilmington has not been on my radar at all until I think it was a couple of weeks ago we had a UNC Wilmington Comington game on CBS sports network. And I was in studio so now you know. Now it's your job to actually like at least be able to speak for thirty consecutive of seconds on live television about UNC Wilmington. So you study and I didn't realize how bad it had gotten. I like to be a lot but it is undeniable. All that they can take an attorney. I mean Kevin Keats who was his predecessor. Twenty five and eight in two thousand sixteen twenty nine and six and two thousand seventeen and then see league wins eleven games than ten games and was five and fourteen in the season. Twenty six and fifty overall so in two plus years at Wilmington. CB One on fewer games than Kevin one in his final season at Wilmington So like there's no way to argue it was going okay. does willing to benefit from a AH in any way from firing him January on a surface level. I can't think of a way but we don't know what was going on behind the scenes so I'll I won't pass judgment on the athletic director. Who pulled the trigger? Just because I'm assuming the athletic director knows more about the situation than I do that said I done interested in this conversation nation as it relates strictly to see McGrath. Whatever I'm more interested in like what do coaches deserve? And I think I am on the same page I used to think coaches deserved a certain amount of time. Like you can't fire somebody before this period of time because you know they gotta give them opportunity to to bring in their own players in establish culture in bla-bla-bla. I used to believe that too and then I got older and smarter and I realized that the dumb thing to believe. Because here's what. A coach deserves the money that is guaranteed in the contract that he signed. That's what it coach deserves but the opportunity to continue running a college basketball program for any period of time know coach deserves that at all because I know there are examples of coaches. WHO TOOK A walk? I oil to get going and then really got it going. Well I was on sideline at Marquette Seton Hall this past weekend. Exactly Yeah Apple. Yes Kevin Willard to get the Seton Hall job. Misses is the instability tournament five consecutive years. There are athletic directors who would have pulled the trigger right then and just said you know what five years is five years. It's too long and and boom pull the trigger or maybe even earlier and if you would've you would've been firing one of the A guy who has now become a consistent winner in the sport he's Got Seton Hall operating at a high level so we can go back and forth for hours with examples to to to support or push against whatever it is we believe but but the truth is in some cases with with coaches and not just college basketball coaches college. Football Coaches NFL coaches you know pretty quickly. You can know pretty quickly. This isn't right. This isn't going to work. I mean how long does it. The Cleveland browns have held onto Freddie kitchens. I mean if it came pretty clear pretty pretty quickly that guys in over his head like he he might be a good due to sit down and drink a beer with eat a meal with but that is not a head football coach in the NFL. He he all he deserved was the money guaranteed in his contract. Plus the opportunity to show not necessarily with wins and losses. But show you're worthy of this and you can be good or not I think Cleveland with smart to pull the trigger. After one season and in college basketball you can know about coaches quickly. It doesn't take you for years. It didn't take me four years to realize W. Smith was terrible fit at the University of Memphis. I thought it from the jump was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. After one year it was undeniable that he was not going to succeed at Memphis. I wrote the column after his first season. This is not going to work and the second season was among the worst. In every way you can And you can measure a basketball program. AM that that that Memphis ahead modern history and then boom they pulled the trigger and there's not a single person even the people who used to argue with me about that. There's not a single person. Now who thinks Tubby Smith that deserve the third year or fourth year or anything more than what he got and so I just subscribed to that. Did you really the billy. Gillespie needed four years ears. Like I'm not saying this to pick on Goodman but like I'll just take his tweet at face value. He said every coach deserves for years. Go is going to spill. You'll espy desert for years. Kentucky Kentucky Right. I bet he'll he'll get himself stuck in a corner there. I bet you tell you would tell you that we deserve four years even billy. Gillespie tell you that at this point so I just don't subscribe to that at all you don't as a coach. You deserve nothing but the money. That's guaranteed did you. If you show yourself to be awesome keep your job if you show yourself to be something that inspires hope. Keep your job but if you do things that make it quite clear in most people's eyes that we haven't been at this long but it seems pretty obvious is that this is not gonna work then my belief. Is You pull the trigger as soon as you reach that point and again I'm not making this about Wilmington. Think Dinner St be as much as I'm just wait making about college basketball coaching in general Pulling the trigger on somebody two and a half years in. I don't care about the time frame that makes sense that makes sense. It does your example of Kevin. Willard is a is a very good one. I can even give you a couple. More in regard to games will be played on Wednesday night. I mean you got Kevin. Willard was Seton Hall Butler. You Got Penn State at Minnesota now penn state's expectation levels so much different but ah Penn state is I think has gone as long as power conference program not named northwestern and maintain a coach. You know nine seasons without without making an instability tournament. Now the nittany. Lions got work to do here. Picking off Minnesota would do some wonders but could finally breakthrough and there are some patients there. Florida State got a got something of an urgent game for Virginia on Wednesday night. It's a it's a home game for For FSU but Leonard Hamilton. Who's has been there going on? Seventeen seasons now. He didn't make the tournament until his seventh season at Florida state and now he's the best coach in program history and is going to get The Knowles to a fourth straight tournament for the second time in his tenure. So there can be ways that this backfires on you. There's no doubt about it but there's also something to be said for or if you if you're eighty you've got the coach in place that you want and you think you're still going the right way you'll love the staff you love the character of the of your of your coach. The direction directions programs going in. You might not quite have the winds you want in year one or year two or year three. But you'd have confidence it can pay off so there are plenty of examples of patients paying off. It doesn't necessarily early mean that if you opt to pull the ripcord two and half three seasons in it's necessarily the wrong case in this in this regard and last thing before we get to the mail bag. It's been just brutal like month for Roy. CB McGrath is a former assistant under Roy and you know he was on The staff to on the team that lost to Nova With Chris Jenkins shot then he goes and gets the Wilmington job and so you know. I think we've lamented Roy Williams existence in like five podcasts and row but this is just another thing where he's he's just gotta be like you got a kidney with the twenty twenty already So yeah that's That's certainly unfortunate but McGrath has a really good reputation and I would assume that he will if he to watch it he will be on a staff of his choosing come next season. Yeah like I said. CB The best guy and Ah College basketball coach. And I had to opening my staff I'd be reaching out to him But you know the results are are what the results are and I just thought that was a worthwhile conversation to have based on the social media. Attention the topic had gotten earlier in this week. Let's get onto the mail bag. I went to apple podcasts. At the way we do it is if you leave a five star review over at Apple podcasts to the CBS sports in College Basketball podcast. And you WANNA ask a question there. I do go through all of the questions actions. I pick out three so I can't use the maw but I do read them all and appreciate them all but I picked out three at about. I don't know to forty five in the morning. I don't uh-huh but let's let's let's see as we go to it here. Let's do it. Yeah so the first question comes from Ethan and Ethan. A third year era American students studying in England so he's abroad and says he loves college basketball but nobody in England cares about college sports at all basketball football. None of it. So what didn't wants to know is that if he wanted to convince his buddies in England to to Watch College Basketball Ascot Ball team like follow a college basketball team and even come to the United States for a game to see that college basketball team. What team should that be? Good question good scenario. You ever been to London. I have never been to survive and I I you know I wanna go. I really really want to go at some point soon. Here I've never been There's plenty of places I want to go but Yeah just I'm going to go to London Liverpool. Do all do all that stuff see with Beatles started out and all that good stuff best esteem. So this dude trying to convince his buddies his blokes out there. Let's let's fly across the pond and check out to college basketball game you try to convince blokes yeah. That's what they're called over there right. I think so guy blocks I can i. Can I hear your English accent perish. I don't think I don't. I'm not doing that so why not. If I spent the the rest of the podcasts talking like Britain would you be okay with that I sure would you. Would you like to join me. No I can't not you no like last night on on inside college basketball we're doing highlights rosty singing during one of his highlights and I was like I was like this might be good television but I'm not gonNA sing during my highlight. I don't I don't feel comfortable with that and I would put the English accent on the same page as I I. You can either do a good English accent or you sound like an idiot doing a fake English accent. That's probably what I sound like right now but I'm good with it. I think I'm also bouncing around all of All of England maybe getting even into the to the Irish. I think I was. I wasn't quite prepared for this but I I'll tell you what I'm GonNa do the rest of this question in an English accent that's breath. I'm bailing I'm bailing. I'm bailing I wasn't prepared for accents are different like Like oh they're they're very different. Yeah amy wine house sounds different. David Beckham yes and yes and Paul McCartney sounds different from you. Name it for sure. It's it's it's it's like America you know if you're from Tennessee. You sound different than if you're from South Carolina than if you're from Texas You're going to have to take anyone house dead by the way so she doesn't really sound like anything anymore. But what an amazing talent was indeed By the way yeah. It was It was I remember when she died because I was so we were in Vegas but all I remember that it was yes I was at forty. Bishop Gorman High School I remember exactly when that happened I like I. I don't remember where I hey was when everybody died like even really like even my even like people then but but I remember where I was when Amy White House died into the cosmopolitan in Las Vegas and I woke up and I was like Oh man died cosmo. I was already at the gym. I thought you were at foothill but whatever okay. Okay probably somewhere between the cosmopolitan and forty. Yeah exactly that's a preference. Maybe ten percent of the pocket. I you know in a in a given year I guess. Do you gotta bring them to the best possible environment. It's going to have to be first of all fly to the east coast. It's easier Duke Carolina. Good good area. That's that's the game. I I mean there's no other that's that's you take him to a Game Carolina at Duke in Cameron. Data's going to be the best possible environment in the thick of college basketball season. That's what you do outside of taking him to like the instability tournament. Like some hyped game. Let's just stick to the regular season and I think that's the only answer though. Yeah you take them to Luke I mean you you WanNa take him to a place that is going to be Duke at Cameron lives up to the experts at this point. We we've talked about this a million Elian ties between the two. We've been to basically all of them and I don't care how many sporting events you've been to like at this point I go to the final four. I don't even and actually go to the final four like I said on a television set right outside a dome like I. There is every every final four for the past several years I have I can I can walk right in the door and sit right on the court and watch the final four and I'm like I don't care they wouldn't let you sit on the court that'd be. That'd be actually kind of weird. You just plop down cross-legged playing ashamed in your hands This is so much fun not quite that but I get what you're saying like on the three point point line. Yeah it's watching someone photoshop. GP Cross legged on the opposite. Three point. Line of Chris Jenkins hitting the shot. That's an amazing immaturity. So Oh I just. I'm like whatever because like I've seen IT IN I. I realize that's kind of a terrible like approach with the final words amazing. But I'm like you know what we got a Nice Green Room here and I think they're about to order food lots of boss so I just I'll just watch. I just watch on television here but it is still cool when you walk in Cameron Indoor. That's the point. I was trying to make like that. It lives up to the hype so I think yeah you take take him to the place. That's the coolest place to be. And I think the coolest place to be either cameron or Allen fieldhouse but cameras closer to England in Allen fieldhouse and then Duke Doc is a easy team to follow like. There's a million things you can read about Duke or watch about Duke or listen to about do so eight and if you're listening tell your blokes assuming assuming you call them blogs that might be an Australian thing by the way or is it not only a toss I would say something like that. Okay so so I tell you blokes to come to cameron indoor and enjoy the the camera. Indoor experience wicked wicked. Don't don't be a Wanka. Come on over check out the hoops. I hope they ethan. If you're listening please don't let your blokes listening to this podcast. Because A- a- An American trying to goof around with an English accent and it felt like they were dumb Americans anyway right well. We're we're a bit wonky that's right. There's a lot of I mean longer. Being honest there's a lot of evidence assists suggests we are kind of a dumb country. So you got you got You Got Harry and Meghan. They're bailing on it though. They're coming to North America. So yeah but not even to the united nine now. They're like they're like Harry and Meghan. Listen we we gotta get Outta here and we should go to North America but not the United States like live give kilos moved to Toronto. Exactly exactly there's probably something sensible about that like. If they get sick they'll be able to go to the doctor so that's good news. That's that's a benefit. Yes all right. What's the next question? Second question comes from somebody who didn't leave a name but it is a fan and his or her question is this. What would Virginia look like right now? If tied Jerome De'andre Hunter and cow guy had all returned for this season because they all did have eligibility ability remaining who they would look at our answer. They look awesome awesome. I'm just trying to figure out they would. They'd probably be the best team in college basketball. I mean if they all return and played at the level that they played a season ago and remain healthy. I don't see why that would not would not be the case right well if they were the best team in college basketball last season not only in terms of who won the championship but in terms of the advanced metrics like they were number one at Kim. POMACE as well if you return everybody from that team Trivia Trivia time for you to go ahead okay my tribute time is this. There was only one player on that team who exhausted his eligibility could not have returned. Can you name him off. The top of your head You Know Jack Jack. Salt tenants Jack. Jack Salt from Australia. I might see. There's a difference. This is the Australian accent. Okay okay mic. Australia is made in. England is blow. That's correct and we just use we use Bra. My Trivia time for you is this night. Virginia India ranks seconds a second. Yeah I ranked second in defensive third and it's actually threatened defensive efficiency as of now and two hundred and twenty nine th and offensive efficiency. That is a two hundred and twenty six spot difference. Only one team has a greater disparity in being a strong a a defense leaning team in a horrible offense in college basketball name that team. UNC Wilmington no no but kind of in that region. Not In their conference though Is it to British sounding name of school. I think with with a nickname a British sounding name with a school is it. What is a British sounding EXC EXC expressly British? But it's you know. It sounds like it might be. It's got some royalty baked into the name. Oh you're you must be thinking good of East Tennessee state. He doesn't that really the answer. Ah the Old Dominion Monarchs Sixty Fifth Offense all the way down at three fifteen on defense anyway impromptu times gotta love it So yeah they were number. One can palm last season. They won the national title if they were turned all of the important pieces. Except for Jack Salt Altay. They'd probably be the best in the country unless we do this with every team and we go. What if everybody brought back? Everybody could come back well. Then Duke. Scott Zion yes of of course Diane's hurt so it wouldn't matter but they never doing seventy four th street podcast leading Williamson. Yes talking. We'd have a million Zion podcast cast and RJ Barrett would be taking a million shots in a row so it would be for Jinadu if we if we applied that same thing that everybody would the the two best teams in the country as it is. Virginia can't score and Duke has lost to Stephen F.. Austin and Clemson. Yeah all right next question. Third question and final final question comes from. I believe Xavier Fan and this person asked the following question. What is Marc Emmers? Still have a job. What would it take for Jay Bilas to to get that position? Jay Bilas doesn't want that position You want nothing to do with it. I believe the instable actually did has has tried to legitimately court. Jay Bilas to work for the incidental a and not to like you know convert his mind or anything but it's kind of say like all right J.. You've got all these critiques. And criticisms we want we hear what you're saying we want you to help us implement and change. Jay has no interest in that whatsoever. Obviously obviously why does March Emerson have a job. Because the school presidents are still satisfied with him taking all of the Arrows and maintaining status quo as best as he possibly can. And even I say that even as we You know we continue to make headway toward you know name imaging likeness in whatever congressional. Nationwide stuff is going to change that. But that's basically why I mean as soon as the the president's don't have enough confidence in mark. I think that he is not worth all the negative publicity he gets the vote them out but ultimately school presidents know that like none of them ever or get criticized ever they are the ones the help make up the board of governors and really drive the direction of the greater. NC double a model okay. And as long as long as there's one dude that's GonNa get up there and take all the criticism and act as a mouthpiece on behalf of the president's sense. He's just he's going to remain in that job. A lot of I've spoken with plenty of coaches over the past couple of years. WHO BELIEVE THAT MARK is not fit for the job should be fired and they should have someone else come in there? But that's that's just not going to happen until his cue rating if you will take a massive diary obsolete. I just don't see we've gotten to this point. I'm not seeing situation barring true controversy that wouldn't that would lead him to actually being booted from from the spot. That's exactly right like I hate what mark does because I hate the institution solution that he is hired employed to defend. But the truth is if you understand what Marc Emmers job is which is to maintain status quo. You know hold onto power hold onto money. He's doing a fairly good job at his job like he's doing what the university presidents want him to do. He's out there keeping things the way they are for the most part and taken all the bullets. That's that's why he makes millions of dollars to do exactly what he's doing. And it's why I've often said if you if you watch a market interview or you read a Q.. you in a every time. It happens whether it's Jay Bilas or myself or anybody else. We Dan Walkin. We'll we'll tweet a link to it and we'll pull the parts that are done and we'll go my guy. This is the dumbest thing. That's the worst thing. But it's not because Bark Emerson dumb markets. Brilliant man it's just that when your job is to defend what his what he is employed to defend you. You sound dumb doing it. It's like when Bill Hancock used to have to defend the BCS. He sound ridiculous realist. Billion Clarks not a ridiculous man. You ever sit down with him. Have a cup of coffee smart thoughtful reasonable human but when when when when the orders from above Lavar Bill. It is your job to defend the BCS and explain every week on television. Why going to a four team playoff would be a disaster for college football? When when that's your job now go do it? You sound ridiculous doing it so the job is to sound ridiculous to the public while keeping the president's happy that's what markets job is and if we're being honest he does that job. Well what I wish is that we had a president who was willing to try to do another job differently differently. But Marquette's taking orders from above above being university presidents and the university presents are largely evidence. Being he still still has a job are largely or just fine with with the way Marquette Student Jeff say fit bloke brilliant here. I've enjoyed my time but to say we get a little bit of a move on here. You head on over to your flat. We'll do another podcast a couple of days. I I can't wait bloke. Down Shasta Gestures Out Carolina Jazz. The Terry M. F. Diglis lead and she has to learn. 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"Our back here on Scallon Pals and radio DOT com the radio DOT COM APP. SCALL- I'm not I'm not surprised at all. The perk had my side on this hard thing. You know he he. He took it to a whole `nother level. I'm not trying to be disrespectful. The hard and I feel like purkis had enough with harden. Like he's like I don't care anymore I don't give a crap like I wanna see this when it happens and I'm a little bit surprised that you're not in that same group because you Kinda seem like a guy that wouldn't I know you don't love hardens game but I i. I know that I could always count on perk to have my back and I love my back there. Yeah but I sit like I separate the two like for instance. I do that with life as well. You know how with some time does a certain thing that I don't like I mean I think that that's not impressive. Just because I don't like the way they're hearted plays doesn't mean I'm not impressed with his performances so so yeah like A. It's not my cup of tea. I'd much rather have a guy who shares the ball and all that stuff but I think both can be impressive. I don't think I'm mutually exclusive. Used only thinking that what type of player is impressive. No harm does is impressive. Let me ask you this now if you if like say that you were the rockets you know. TV TV colored guy. And you're watching hard and night in night out and you see this. Would that impact your thinking on this like because if you saw this night in the night out and kind of saw how it might as perks might wear on his teammates. Would you think do you think you'd think differently about it. I mean I guess it up just like I knew Kyri with a bad seed and I guess career up with an unbelievable moves at he made from broadcasting standpoint. He unbelievable call back. There's no doubting when you call Kyrie's games you can go nuts nuts over a flash you can nail it. You can use your rap lyrics to insert into something that he did to describe it. So it's like it's fun but I understood stood then. No one liked him. I understood that he made my boy Brad Stevens job visible. I understood all that but he he was in a credible call and I think James Harden probably the same way now James Harden. I don't know the bad seed but I do know that what he does is impressive. Because it's something that I can't do and that's what I turn the. TV TV on to see. I WANNA see people that make a can do amazing things or also help their team win right now. He's doing amazing things and his team. He was winning. Do you think if if you put like and I'll get to the polls calls here in a second but I am interested in this. Do you think like if you put other guys in the hard situation they'd be able to do with harden does or see such so you need player that he's the only one that can do stuff like that no could play that impact winning except for heart interesting so like you couldn't put broad. And there I know the bronchitis good shooter necessarily Lebron just takes over averaging I mean I think I think Lebron like would be able to average close to forty in Iraq. It's offense where it was all about him. He said that razzing. I'm pretty sure he said that before. Like if I wanted to. I don't believe in scoring now. Dauer go buy everything. Lebron says is true. Some people are built differently. Lebron is unselfish player at. I don't think he can do that even if he wanted to do that every night in and night I like he might be able to do that once or twice but every night. He's not built that way in a negative way. It's a positive tip thing. He's learned to play the game the right way over the course of his life. He's never bed. I'm GONNA shoot the ball. I don't care about my teammates. He's always cared about his teammates. He tares about his teammates. Maybe to a fault like more than Jordan did Jordan's teammates. It'd probably scared to death of him. yeah you did bring up a good point like there's there needs to be some respect even hardened for he he just doesn't he doesn't get hurt. He doesn't Miss Games. He's out there other basically eighty two games a season put on a show so maybe that that that part of his game I do respect respect it. He doesn't take nights off and he's a you know what you're GonNa get in a James Harden performance night in and night out. You don't necessarily know that with other stars around the League so this'll be something we're gonna be talking about all throughout the year. 'cause I imagine James Harden is going to be an MVP conversation. They're all throughout the year but a guy it was not in the MVP conversation but might be the most improved player. Conversation is my Guy Marquel faults and I think after last night's performance and he was awesome. He's been inserted in the starting lineup. I gotta give the people what they want. People want another false pole. So I'M GONNA give it to them after impressive performance for Marco Holzer. Who would go on if we have a timer? We've got some music but get this thing started noted last night Markelle Foltz career-high nineteen points not only nineteen points but officials from the field. Eight for ten two of three from three as well he hasn't been shooting great from three. The last taper three and the important part is unlike. Ben Simmons Turn Away Sixers fans. He is actually taking these threes. He's not afraid of the moment. Even the shot looks kind of clunky. He's taken threes. You shoot and stuck with confidence. He's getting to the RIM and defensively. He's been great as well. Actually real quick real quick. What what do you think happened in Philadelphia did you? He got bullied by the media. No I genuinely think that he had an injury and he got something got into his head and he wasn't able to sort of figure it out there and I think a lot a lot of time to change. The scenery is something that guys need and I think he won. I I don't think these people. Now that retroactive. You're like oh the sixers. I can't believe they gave away mark for a second round pick. The sixers had to trademark oppose. It was never gonNA work in Philly in the same way that it happens other guys and leave a change of scenery rejuvenate your career. You don't see the same media members you don't see the same people criticizing you. You just need a fresh. You think you think it's because Jason Tatum trade. Like you think that like I every every day he had to live up to that and people are like. You're never going going to be this guy and it's like I can't believe we did that. Then you have the Colangelo of being with twitter and all that stuff do you think all comes into play. It affected him. Maybe a little bit like we're doing like a blame pie here like maybe five to ten percent. But I don't think that's the origin of the issue markle's I think the origin of the issue of markup bolts was like he he had an injury and then a mental blockage was both physically and mentally injured. I don't think I don't think maybe the pressure added to it but I don't think that's the reason that it was there. In the first I play clearly. Something was wrong clearly. Something went wrong in Philadelphia with his body and his mind and I don't think he's all the way back mentally but I don't think that was the main issue now certainly exacerbated it and got the time here now and I still have many of things to get to the polls but the origin story. I don't believe that was the reason why I do think it added to it. Maybe the trade. But I don't think it was the the origin of the reason why he was an issue. But I'll get to this because he's and I don't WanNa hear I don't WanNa hear the Buzzer. Because I still got. I still have plenty of time left. Here don't get this buzzer out of my face. He's not going to win. Win The award scale. He's I think he's like plus seven hundred most improved player. But I think it'd be hard to find another guy year over year who has been more improved than Markelle full. It's bolts went from. I'm a non factor guy who you cringe. When he had the ball you cringe when he shot to? He's now starting for a team that we all think is going to be a playoff team. That's playing well. He's getting his shot. He's one of the best players finishing at the rim. His tenacity defensively is great. I don't know if you saw Scott last night. The magic had an eighteen point lead end up being I was down to three and he ended up getting a steel dunk. An one late in that game to completely seal he was a game changer. He's been a game changer. For this magic team in a way I thought a lot of people didn't think he was going to be so he deserves deserves all the props he can get the jump. Shot is still looks funky Scout. I'm not sure if it'll ever. I'm not sure it'll ever be fixed like let's be honest but I do know that I can. I can say with a lot of certainty not right now that he is a good NBA player. And I don't think we were GONNA. I didn't think we knew that. And were saying that about him a year ago the question about Foltz right now is what is his steal his ceiling. Stealing isn't what it was when he was drafted out of Washington. When he thought he was? You know the number one overall pick potential multi time all star. I don't know if he's going to be that guy but I do know that he is going to be a serviceable the NBA player for years to come. Because I do think he finishes while around the Rim and he plays hard on both ends of the court and I'm just again. I'm just happy for him. I don't know if he's going to be an all star but he's a very invaluable basically he's valuable starter on a team that we think is going to be a playoff team here in the out in the Orlando Magic. So shouts out the markup folks bowls and. I don't even need the timer. I'm done so any doc from your end scale. I'm glad that we're talking about him now because at least he's a starter he deserves it. Well I mean he. He's he's not a top thirty point guard of the NBA. So we'll give him the benefit of the doubt. He might get there. I was high coming got to Washington. His Games Celtics. Were getting probably getting number one. Pick up votes but things happen. Yeah listen they obviously made the trade the right trade for them. I and who knows what would happen if he went the boss. Maybe another separate for happens but he needed to get out billy so again. That's another false pulse appreciate everyone. WHO's between that and he wanted to hear it will? I don't want I don't want to Overdo it but I do feel like it was necessary last night after Kirk a career high in points and a game changing play on both ends of the court. So let's finish up with this out and you see over the weekend. Kansas was playing monmouth. The one of those games were like a massive D. One team plays like lower end. One Team I'm sure MONMOUTH got paid. I don't know a quarter of a million half million dollars to go in there and get blown out. They were down by fifty five points lay at Kansas Kansas dribbling the ball out. It's like twenty seconds left or so and a guy on monmouth. His name was. George Pappas. he's junior. Junior guard comes out of nowhere. Steals the ball away from the Kansas Guy who's trying to dribble the ball out and dunks it at Allen fieldhouse and then gets in the guy's face and starts talking some shit and gets teed up now everyone everyone and their mom was saying. Oh this is a bit of Bush League play dribble in the clock out that such a move by him. I actually thought it was kind of funny like can we. Can we lighten up a little bit like it's Monmouth like this guy is Never GonNa play the caliber of player. He's playing he's never going to have the chance to dunk on somebody. This this is a story he's GonNa tell. All of his friends is about. He's become like a hero probably at Monmouth. which is a small school in the State of New Jersey? So I wasn't necessarily as mad at him. Some other people in the media were. I thought it was hilarious. Was Was it. Bush league was it kind of frowned. Upon maybe I don't know man. I laughed at so what do you think. Scalp Airbus Fair Care Down Fifty Five. This is your moment of glory. He said after he dumped it. I don't give a flip wait. I wouldn't have done it. I would have done it but I mean shout out. I'm sure he's walking around campus right. Oh my God yeah think about a Monmouth is a small school in New Jersey. Resign know what Monmouth is because Monmouth was in mice colleges conference. and IT'S A it's a small school in Jersey and I don't even know if they've ever made the tournament turning but they're not a basketball powerhouse by any means and here's this kid who's playing at Kansas this historic arena. And he want to get a little bit of his shine and he did and listen if you could take the he the and he's and he He clearly has. He doesn't really care he comes in and starts talking smack. I just think like do it for the story man. That's a great story to tell later in life to be like. Hey I was the the guy that's throw the ball in this situation because most other guys are going to just kind of like you know they're going to let the team dribble out the clock and it. There's nothing to lose in that situation so there's nothing to lose and I you know like I said said I'm with you. I don't know if I would have done it myself but I thought it was absolutely hilarious. The Internet is gray because this stuff just like takes the. How long's it last five days as maybe less probably less? It was like a weekend basically like the better as I think. So it's IT'S A it's a big deal it didn't just goes away and it spreads like wildfire because the Internet and you go through Instagram and you watch it and I stopped watched. It cracked up moved onto the the next thing so I think I think these things are and there's all kinds of stuff happening like that. You know guide dunks on another guy would've never saw it before before it becomes like national news and so it's a big deal but I'm glad he did it. You got one thing. I always tell everybody Gabby yourself man. Do you want to be that guy that guy. Personally I wouldn't have done it but I'm not that guy so shout out to be who you are not given a flip when you're down by fifty five. Yeah listen we wouldn't be talking about. George Papas from from from Monmouth University. On this show today. If if he didn't take a chance you know he he took his chance any any any as what he shot his a shot. The kids say so. Listen I respect it. I think it's hilarious. Let's close out on this Gal. I WANNA talk about the rest of this Celtics sort of road trip here. So they've they've got a suns team tonight. This is a pretty good match up tonight. What do you expect in here in Boston? Because this is a team that I think is a playoff lock in the west versus what is basically the best team in the Eastern Conference right now. What you expect tonight between Boston and Phoenix to inspect the Celtics to win this game? Because they lost the the Sacramento game. But if we would've won beat Sacramento. I would expect him to lose his kind of how the NBA Goes Yup Marcus smart's GonNa take the challenge got lit let Bois Buddy healed and now he's like all right. It's enough is enough. I gotTa make my player of the year. So Devon Booker is a great guy to do that with so we'll be interesting. The Era Bain. Staying is also interesting because everyone on the team love beans coach coach Stevens love Arabic but they had to trade him to get Kimball Walker so vases like that guy he's GonNa be in for revenge game there's been a significant amount of selling players at gets traded and they come back in. He ended up killing the Celtics. Stay so interested in this game but I do think Celtics win. Yeah I'm with you. I think it'll be an interesting litmus tests for both these teams right because Boston. People were saying are they real. Are the real to go into this team. That's tough environment rejuvenated team. That's a tough win. Get and then you know on the other side of that is Phoenix if they. They beat Boston team. That people have been laying in his as the best record in the NBA. That's a hell of a notch on their bell going into the show. Just know that the Celtics aren't that good with a Gordon Gordon Hayward there they all those games with Gordon Hayward and then they'd be like I said Dallas it was Washington. Now they'd be golden instate in Sacramento are they lost the Sacramento. They're just and all of those games. They were down big and all that so they have not been that good without Gordon Hayward so that record it is there but it's not. It's not as best even Easter. Not The best team in east. Gordon what do you think they miss the most playmaking. Is that what it is like. He's another guy ball handler type. Like a obviously defense. Great you Gettin downhill is his playmaking. It's all over it. It just makes everyone work and and then once again I I said this. The the attention has shifted to Gordon and Jason Tatum goes op. Jalen Brown goes off and on the attention shifted to those guys. Gordon Hayward would go off so it just takes a lot of pressure off of everybody including Kimba including Kevin who I don't I delete concerned Do Work Eric. When everyone's focused on stopping him the other guys have not operated in space own that space where the teams are locked in to stop you and you still uh-huh play well so it just you know and I thought I thought the one thing that's interesting about this subject to five players all play on the ball off the ball cut drive to to the basket and make basketball plays whether distributing the ball? You you rarely see at teams built with five guys. I could do that at a high level in a team had that now they're down to four so it just puts everyone right a little bit outside of their comfort zone. Yeah Good Games tonight. We've got you know Portland. HOUSTON WE'VE GOT SAN ANTONIO DALLAS. WE'VE GOT BOSTON PHOENIX WE'VE GOT MINNESOTA UTAH got okay. CLA Huge Guy you know use late in the NBA tonight. We're looking forward to that scowl. 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Bobby Hurley, Arizona St. HC

The Sporting Life with Jeremy Schaap

00:00 sec | 1 year ago

Bobby Hurley, Arizona St. HC

"This is the sporting life on ESPN radio and the ESPN app. Here's Jeremy shop. We are honored to be joined by someone who knows what the final four is all about. If anyone does he played in it three times. Winning two national titles is a pleasure to welcome to the sporting life, the one and only the great do point guard. Bobby Hurley, Bobby thank you for being with us. Go problems. Every now Bobby, of course, as head coach, Darin a state where you have had unprecented unprecedented. If I could speak properly success the last years you were hoping to be playing in the final four yourself this weekend that did not happen. But you guys made the tournament you lost in the first round your old team buffalo. What was that like for you? Yeah. It was it was a roller coaster really starting with our last three regular season games. We were we needed to win as down the stretch. To put ourselves position to get the NCAA tournament. We lost Oregon, and we and going to Oregon state and get into great win. And then and then winning our Sonal the last regular season game was real confidence boost or you know, for for the program and got the number two seed and get a bye in the conference tournament beat UCLA in the quarters, and we lost a heartbreaking overtime game to Oregon again that was playing at a really high level eight season, and that put us in a position to have to you know, sweat it out a little bit until the last BRAC came out on Sunday. But we were thrilled to be in the tournament. And you know last year we were in we didn't get a chance to win a basketball game. And and this year, we take another step and and winning in Dayton. And you know, the buffalo game was difficult. They're they're really team won thirty two games and had a lot of seniors. And so that was a tough game for us. But that's what it's. About it's about taking steps as a program and and building off that. And that's we hope to do next year. I should say you did win a game. I I get confused with the nomenclature Bobby that's called a play in game still. But I guess technically the first round was was the buffalo game. And a lot of those guys over there guys that you knew, but you burst onto the scene as a freshman at Duke it's twenty nine years ago when you made your final four debut, you freshman at Duke starting the fall of nineteen eighty nine it was a different world back. Then we knew who the players were because many the best one stuck around off for years. It was different kind of situation. We weren't talking about one in done. Everybody knew Bobby Hurley, everybody knew Christian Leitner. Everybody knew you know, the following year. You know, we Grant Hill came along for you that formative experienced losing in the in the championship game is a freshman UNLV how big an impact that make. On you. Actually, it was a lot of pain and suffering. And and you million you get humbles like that and stage with that many is on the game twenty million people watching they watch the worst version of yourself, and you know, as a competitor, it was tough to take you. He felt humiliated out there times. And remember coach K left me in, you know, at the later stages of the game kind of maybe the soak in, you know, all the misery of how I probably felt that that woman just once I got over that. And my confidence took a hit. I think initially for a few weeks just got back to work. And I think it it drove me more drove my teammates more so to wanna get better. And and hopefully redeem ourselves at some point Bobby your your journey though from that that experience which you took so hard is a freshman to what happened your sophomore you with the epic upset of. One of the great teams ever symbol d- in the history of college basketball team, the jury arcane, Ian had assembled which was probably even stronger than the team that defeated you guys in the national title game the year before can you put into words what it was like to be on the court against them again year later in the final four just think painted a younger to that. That was really fun. And it's best friend season. We have taken some hits to them away. That's twenty four to Carolina AC tournaments lead against the NCAA tournament. But once we got through the first game, I think we started playing like a much higher level than we were at any point that season. The addition of Grant Hill is going to change any team immediately. You know, the that gave me more confidence as a player that I had that guy in the program going into these wars, you know, Christian was was a year older. As a junior at that point and playing like when we're best players in college basketball. So we had ran through our region and one, you know, by double figures in almost every game you've been pretty dominant. So we were confident, and then, you know, we had a dish motivation, you know, that came right in and and told us we could win. And and you know, he said it in a way that that we believed that and we got the work and put a good game pleading coach K put on believable game pleading. You have any like Leitner to get thirty points in a game that helps, but it was it's everything we had to beat that team. They were so good, and they were winning, you know, they all that whole year and they won the championship the year before. So they expected to win and they had you know, they had that team. So it was a heck of a battle. It was one of greatest games that I involved with this in terms of quality of play. Way, you know. And so I just I listen prize at the end when I got that last rebound and the clock inspired like if the game this can't really be happening on over. And it was it was such a great feeling. Yeah. You you were looking for for some place to go with the rebound. They had to tell you the game was over. Yeah. Was still driven is just a, you know, just your stun. You're so excited like what you dream of you know, a young kid playing. So being that spot where you're playing against the team so invincible, and you know, you you play as close to perfect maybe as you could play as a group to to win a game. Like that is so so satisfying. Now, we're speaking with Bobby Hurley the head coach Arizona state another successful season out there. And I were expect you to say, this is still a your life. You're still in the game that it's not what it was. But for someone like me a little bit older than you. I'm forty nine Dc site -ment around college basketball in that era in large part because you and your teammates, and those EPA games you guys played against UNLV and Michigan and others is the same now or how has it changed in last thirty years? Yeah. I just I mean in that way that you see these stars. You know that that you get to watch even for me as a young kid. I got to watch Michael Jordan nigga game winning shot. I got to see Patrick Ewing play in the final four which Ord town. I you know and Villanova upset Georgetown. I got to see NC state upset Houston. Like all these tremendous final fours. I think my first final four was that. I remember was was Larry Bird. I magic, you know. So I got to see all these these great events. You know, great final fours associated, you know, with the NCAA tournament, and it was just became a dream of mine. Like can I ever do enough? Can I can I ever as a player get to that point where I'm playing in a final four? And and I think it was similar in my era. Just with guys will wanna stay year or two just wasn't a culture too. You know for players to look to want to go to the NBA, and that landscapes changed dramatically, but I don't think it's taken away from you know, how badly you know, teams wanna compete. Eat and their fan bases. Get excited enthusiastic about the tournament. And just all the great things that that the NCAA tournament means to so many people your aunt Arizona state, obviously now is the head coach. But Duke is still a big part of your heart. Your oldest went to do you were legend there. What were you feeling when when Michigan state won last weekend? Yeah. Just it's again, it's it's it's the it's the the heartbreak, you know, that you feel when when the seasons, and you could see it, you know, with a lot of players and the closer you get to the dream of playing on a final four the the tougher. It is to you know, to lose to have have those feelings and the hurt that's societas with it. But you know, you could see that it was it was two teams that they're, you know, high level Teves that very competitive game. And it just comes down to who can make a few more plays. And that's why there's such a fine margin. The tween advancing winning a championship. And and you know, just being one of a bunch of teams that didn't accomplish that. It's it's amazing. I mean, I just got greater appreciation just being a coach for the number of years. I've been a coach and seeing how hard it is to advance to a tournament and get your team ready to win. I think I had a really unrealistic perspective as a player, you know. This is pretty easy. We're gonna go to tournament. We're gonna win a lot of games playing for national championship. And so much goes into it so difficult. It was a reminder of of how hard it is to advance as as talented teams. You might have if you're not at your peak, you know, on the day that you need to be at the time. Then then, you know, someone else's moving on we talked about that first title you one when you were soft more in nineteen Ninety-one, you guys repeated the next year against Michigan. And a lot of people were talking about those Michigan team. This year because of the spectacular freshman, the fab five what was going on at your alma mater this year, those remarkable freshman as well what parallels? Did you see between the freshman this year Duke in those guys that you defeated for that second consecutive national title back in nineteen Ninety-two? Yeah. I mean, it's those guys are so Vance. I mean, they they don't play like freshman. They look like for built like freshman. I had one of those type of guys and against or who I I was blessed to coach this year. That's a freshman that you know, doesn't look anything like freshman. So talented says, and I think players are just more advanced as more cutting edge techniques of how to you know, develop earlier and become better earlier. You know, I needed every bit of my freshman year before I stopped playing like a freshman. You know, these guys walked in the door right away, you know, Barrett and. And zone, and and you know Jones, and and they made in reddish all their impact. And they were ready for, you know, the highest levels college basketball and really made their Mark on on it the season. It was it was exciting. Watching those guys when I could what is it gonna take your program? You know, you're doing things that have not been done in a generation there at state is the head coach, but you've seen up close. Obviously as a player would it takes to get all the way, how close are you? Well, I mean, it's for us. It's it's a process and having guys like silence. You them this year who was a graduate. I was transferred from San Diego State that one year with us that is going to have opportunities professionally what he mentor program in terms of his communication is tangible 's his commitment to work his desire to get better. All the winning quality bought, you know, he brought to the table. We have to continue to find. Players like him. And you know, I will say that, you know, we brought in a good class with Remmy more, and and camonte Lawrence and Rabelo white, you know, all freshman and sophomore instead of experienced two straight years of NCA tournament appearances. And there she oh able to win a game in tournament. So that was become the new standard here. And I think for us to again, we talked about as a program, we need to make a move in the conference, you know, we can't be in the middle of the pack anymore. So this year, we knew we won twelve games in in in the conference and and finished second in the league to Washington. So we're we're making progress we just gotta keep keep taking steps. And we're we're we're understanding what it takes to win. You know in these tournaments and big games beating Kansas. This year was was a big win for us in the non conference so just continuing to try and make strides and continue to bring players in the program that that expect to win and and wanna play say term. You know, Bobby you come from a place in highschool where basically you never lost a place in college. Where you rarely lost? You know, it's different situation going into a program that needs to be a restarted and reconfigured and you're working on it. How how do you deal with the losing that comes with the process of getting great? Well, it's it's. The first two years you'd never accept losing. But but you could tolerate it. If if you players are competing, and and giving you everything they have, and you may not have the right mix agais that you need as a coach your vision of how you wanna play in order to get it to where you need to get it. And I think those first two years were struggle in that regard. But I still felt that our players competed and gave me everything that I had in those years, and as we were able to recruit and upgrade our talent than we were in a position to to have the combination of competitive drive, and and work ethic, and and then you know, the talent to win. And then then you have to learn how to win you gotta learn how to break through and and beat the top to your in your league. And and to, you know, win at places like Allen Fieldhouse, or you know, we've won a couple of of holiday tournaments in November the last two. Year. So just continue to reinforce that to make that the standard. And and but at the same time losing, you know for me, I don't tolerate it. And you can learn some lessons if you lose the right way, sometimes going out lock say solids. You know, we did everything we could I saw that you gave everything you had. And if that's not the case, then then you have to be, you know, you have to address it, and everyone has to have accountability to it. And they have to see how painful it is for me to to lose. And what that means and to be uncomfortable, if we lose, so they'll all those things, I think are pretty visible if you're around, you know, me and my coaching staff. I can vouch for that, Bobby. It's not a good place to be in your locker room after lots Bobby Hurley is the subject of the east sixty documentary Hurley, which is available on demand on ESPN. Plus, and I gotta say Bobby one of my favorite things in that documentary that we did which is I love that show. But one of my favorite things that a lot of people responded to the great shot of you, add Danny your brother now, the head coach you at the time the head coach at Wagner when you were in his staff, and you guys reacting simultaneously to perceive to be a a bad. Call. And of course, everybody knows your father, Bob, the hall of fame coach from Saint Anthony now that you guys are separated by basically, the full continent meeting you and your brother and your dad who are the east coast you dad's now retired. How do you guys communicate with each other about what's going on with your program is it you can't be in the same place reacting at the same time? But what's it like? Yeah. I mean, we do we have so much the same mannerisms, you know, even even my players they were kinda like creeped out like when Dan was in Dayton in a new you was great to come out. And and and give up some time that he needed to recruiting to to see our Saint John's game, and they not only his physical appearance just how he walks how he talks and the whole thing. Like our players got a chance to meet him a couple of guys on the floor after game. And they they commented to me like, wow, I can't believe like he's just like you talks. Like you like you. It's crazy but on. Yeah. We talked down. I talk all the time about our programs and just really everything, you know, we we would probably be five or six days a week that there were on the phone downton ID is off about a program things. Relative to what we're doing and Dan's more in a situation. I was in like my first two years where you know, you kind of venting about issues and things he's got to change because you know, he's gonna turn that program around at uconn. I have no doubt about it. It's gonna be it's gonna be a special place like it was many years ago in the near future. Is it a pleasure, Bobby? It always is speaking with you. Thanks so much for joining us here in the sporting life for our final four special and hope to speak again soon down the road Virgo. Jeremy enjoyed it. Thanks on. I'm Jeremy shop, and you can listen to new additions of the sporting life every Saturday and Sunday morning on ESPN radio and ESPN app beginning at six AM eastern time.

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Top 10 Countdown: The Baylor Bears are No. 2 and ready to do what they've never been able to achieve before (College Basketball 11/19)

CBS Sports Eye On College Basketball Podcast

19:36 min | 4 d ago

Top 10 Countdown: The Baylor Bears are No. 2 and ready to do what they've never been able to achieve before (College Basketball 11/19)

"There it's scary. It's thursday november nineteen two thousand twenty. Welcome back to the cbs. Sports college basketball podcast. Where we sometimes discuss campbell fighting and leaky black matt norlander is here with me today. We are continuing our series short episodes dedicated to the teams ranked in the top. Ten of my top twenty five and one. We've already done ten through three so today we're going to be focusing on the team that i have second this. Preseason that team is the baylor bears. Its terry teagle's alma mater dead leg. The baylor bears twenty six. Some four last season would have been a number one seed in the incident delayed tournament but the dump pandemic screwed everything up regardless top. Three scores from that team are back. That is gerard butler macy. Ot debut on mitchell beyond that mark vital also back. He was a finalist for the naismith defensive player of the year award last season so scott drew's bears are experienced. They're accomplished they're loaded norrland. We've discussed baylor a lot. This off season so i think i know the answer but let me confirm on this. Baylor centric episode. Do you believe strongly that the bears the first conference title since one thousand nine hundred fifty. This season strongly is putting too strongly. I do believe they've got a really good chance to do it. But the big twelve is too competitive for me to to have a lot of confidence in that. I have more confidence about. The team will talk about on friday Gonzaga there's no real suspense here. Everyone knows it's gonzaga. That's going to be number one. I have more confidence villanova winning in the big east. I have more confidence in our number four team virginia. Winning the acc brain is mush. Who is the fifth team to start the week. Iowa right yeah. Hawkeye's got more. But i got more confidence than baylor. When in the twelve than. I do iowa winning winning the big ten there but Yeah obviously a very intriguing team and this is just to state the obvious. Baylor historically is a terrible program in fact my entire list of the top. Sixty eight programs instaled tournament era so from nineteen thirty nine until this year is out and researched more than one hundred programs on that list. Baylor did not even come close. They're not even close to a top sixty eight program. Did you forget about the bill. Henderson era i died. I of course accounted for the bill henderson era but baylor nonetheless was not. I mean. I'm looking at the final tally here. Baylor let's just say baylor was on the back end of the ninety s In terms of overall ranking there so bill hundred teagle couldn't quite that is a slap in the face of bill henderson. Data is the data man. This is this was an objective. Statistical analysis of the best programs ever and baylor traditionally sucks. It doesn't suck anymore because it's got scott drew and they're finally getting to a point where they are considered a top three top to maybe even number one number one team. Mcken tom heading into a season. Scott drew has become obviously the best program. He's bill henderson scotch dust. It's not even a question. Get outta my face bill henderson. Cronin is what mick cronin is to john. Wooden scott drew is to bill henderson. Who by the way. I wondered for people who might have missed it. I think it was on our big twelve preview bill henderson. I did so much research. All everything and i discovered bill henderson and he had taken baylor to the final four. The nineteen forty eight in one thousand nine fifty with a career. Coaching record of two one and two thirty three. So i wondered on the podcast. I was like that's gotta be the worst. Winning percentage for a coach who's been to two final four is like in the history of college basketball. I didn't know for sure. I just wondered aloud and then i got a message from matthew hansen and special shelves to matthew heads and and he did confirm that bill henderson does have the lowest winning percentage for a two-time final four coach in history and only the legend. Hp lee has a worst. Winning percentage than bill henderson for a one time. Final four coach bill henderson's career. Winning percentage point four six three. Hp lease is point. Four three three he took colorado to the one thousand nine fifty five final four. And do you know loot quick trivia time trivia. I don't know do you know. In in the modern era in the modern era. what to final. Four coaches had the lowest career. Winning percentage in the modern era so coaching a head coaching record worst records but made a final four laid on me. Couldn't it couldn't even begin to try and get this right now. It is puerto moser now in john brady. What's that's loyalist chicago and lsu. Now how about that okay. that's all that special tribute for matthew hansen. I got nothing to do with copy paste. It put trusting someone else's information with turkey. We play on the day after the nba draft and less than a week from the college basketball season starting. Yes we're trusting other people. Yeah you're absolutely right about that. Let's just that's just absolutely go with it and roll with it But the point is unless you got more on henderson the point. That's all like okay. Thank god thank goodness The point is baylor is the best team in the big twelve heading into the season objectively. That has to be the evaluation. Even though kansas is kansas We've touched on them. And then west virginia is a team that i think is top ten. Good and certainly bob huggins. I could have a front court. That's gonna be the best in the conference. Baylor is going to be the best team on defense. And it's got enough playmakers there. The return of macy. Ot gin and jerry butler is pretty significant. And i actually think they'll make for a wonderful one to do again. Butlers more highly regarded. But i do think that he is going to be perfectly capable of being this team's leading score you know thirty forty percent of the time this season and that might be. Just what scott wants. That's what the doctor ordered there. They lose freddie. Gillespie didn't get drafted on wednesday. Night wasn't expected to be impactful and meaningful player on that roster. He's gone and clarke announced earlier this week that he's actually going to end his basketball playing career. I did talk to scott drew on tuesday. I think it was about this and listen tristan clark. Two three years ago was baylor's most important player and then dealt with significant injuries and scott drew said the. It's a total bummer. That he is not gonna play anymore. He's going to be around the team but he said it is wonderful to see that tristen is completely at peace with this decision. Like he's he is going into psychology and really has found a purpose in life. He's not totally driven in his existence with basketball. Which i think is a very healthy thing and frankly needs to be the case a lot more frequently across the board in this sport so to hear drew kind passed that along and say you know he came to. This decision is his decision. He's totally fine with it. And he's an inspiration to our guys. Because of it. I think is important. I didn't know if clark was gonna wind up being important role player not. I don't think they've got enough. Returning their david mitchell's really solid player. In addition to mark vital who returns in his potentially top ten defensive player in the sport but as the pod. Here just wanted to know if you missed it. Chris clark is officially no longer on the roster this season but baylor still sets up as a top three team to put some numbers with what you said about tristan clark. It was two seasons ago. Two thousand eighteen nineteen season. He averaged fourteen point six point. Six point three rebounds per game he was baylor's best player led the entire nation in field. Goal percentage has a knee injury and has just never been the same. Like you know he came back. Last season was healthy enough to play but he barely played. He only averaged four points and two rebounds and thirteen minutes per game and sometimes because we had a lot of players like this that were really important players coming back after missing a significant amount of time. Tristan clark was one of them. Killian tilly eh. gonzaga was another. And i remember talking to might have been skype. Might have been marked view. Could've been both but one of the points they made about. Those types of players is when they come back. They're usually not the same but the second year they're back if you get them back for a second year that's when you can. Maybe hope to get what you had before. This would have been that second year tristan clark and unfortunately it's just not working for him. He in his statement said it's become increasingly. Clear up paraphrasing not quoting but it's become increasingly clear that regardless of the hard work in the rehab. I'm just not going to be able to get where i need to be to be the basketball player. I want to be so. I'm going to hang up the sneakers. It really is sad. I don't know how much it hurts. Baylor from a potential perspective and it is awesome to hear. That tristan seems to be a piece set with it. But this is a guy who two years ago was one of the best college basketball players in the country and he didn't even get to finish his college basketball career. Yeah it's definitely a letdown. But the fact that he is he is good with it. I think is absolutely wonderful there. baylor i expect to be right there again. Elite on the defensive end elite elite like virginia might be the best baylor can if it can manage to duplicate what a season ago. Then it's going to be Pretty tough to defeat. It's gonna play less than a week from today if all goes well. Let's hope it goes well literally. Saint bonaventure as we are recording. This podcast announced that it's going on a covert positive was supposed to go to mohegan sun So we just wait and see and again knocking on wood but if all goes well it's going to open the season with arizona state. That's a really fun offensive team. A wonderful clash there. And then we might get baylor versus villanova. We talked a little bit about that on wednesdays podcast there and then beyond that. This is a team if you want to lay out the schedule. Gp just to refresh people. Scott drew has not been afraid to schedule up in the non conference. And he's doing this. I wrote about this. I guess it would have been early october. I think he's doing this intentionally. Because he knows that he's going to lose games. Covert going to screw up his schedule. And so it's actually a bit of scheduling insurance to say i'm gonna try and get as many good teams as feasibly can and play in a enough good environments and if i lose a game here game here game here will at least i might have the results from the game. They're the game. They're the game. They're in the non conference to help us. In addition to what we may or may not lose in league play so I mentioned the two off the top. But if you want to refresh people on what else baylor has I i see the flirty you well. They they opened with arizona state and if they win that probably get villanova. They've also scheduled seton hall for november. Twenty ninth gonzaga for december fifth. And then obviously the the big twelve schedule is just going to be as tough as every other big twelve schedule and then in big twelve. Sec challenge they get auburn. I believe in auburn's losing all five starters so ty taking a step back but they do have a five star point guard and bruce role has a history of over achieving so undeniably scott has challenged himself. Challenge this team. But the truth is this can be difficult task or i should say more difficult task when you're relying on a bunch of freshmen or otherwise inexperienced players when you're bringing back the top three scores from a team that was going to be a number one seed in the tournament and won a record twenty three big twelve record. Twenty three games in a row was ranked number. One at one point last season one at allen fieldhouse for the first time when you're bringing back the top three from that that's when you can feel more comfortable than you otherwise would feel trying to do something like this from a scheduling perspective. Yeah i think it's a it's a wise decision and we talk about gonzaga on friday mark. Few has done a similar thing. It is just super refreshing to see coaches that really leaned into this and tried to make the most out of it. I think if you allowed scott to schedule thirty five games he would do it. I think he is super confident. And very eager about what is capable of. And he's just going he's gonna try and seize the moment if you will your coach at baylor. This is the program bill henderson. I don't need. I don't need to remind you of this okay. So nothing is guaranteed on every season basis even though obviously baylor has continued to be relevant in recent years and since two thousand ten. It's been a three cedeno tournament. Three cedeno tournament sixty three seat five three no tournament nine and it would have been a one if they played last season. So it's only continue to be great and part of that by the way. I don't know if you had this in your notes or not gp but I wanna point out. That one of the reasons why taylor continues to be good and it's not something that might not be evident if you don't follow the twelve follow baylor all the time The teams across our big our top ten are good for different reasons and i love college hoops because different styles make for different fights and different ways to win but baylor relies on second chance opportunities. It has ranked in the top ten every single season since two thousand fourteen and offensive rebound percentage couple of years. It was first second and third. I would expect that to be the case again. It is built into this culture is baked into dynamic and baylor is never super reliable. As a three point shooting team it hasn't even ranked in the top fifty of two point shooting percentage in that same amount of time. But because of the guys he recruits. This team is so aggressive on the offensive glass. And they can't be repressed. I don't think they will be again this year. So you combine wonderful offensive rebounding and a reliability with perimeter d and then vitals. Just i mean he's literally he's a bear he's just unbelievable and so tough he's not he's not literally not literally a bear. I was rolling. What do you want me to do. That's what's gonna make them successful this season. what so. They grabbed thirty five point seven percent of their own mrs last season that ranked eighth nationally. Here's the other defensive. Still percentage twelve point one that ranked twelfth nationally. So they're getting extra shots offencive of rebounding. They're getting extra possessions would stills in creating turnovers so they don't have to be great offensively even though they were top twenty enough insufficiency last season. They don't have to be great offensively to be great 'cause they're going to get way more shots than almost anybody the play and and i think this is going to be a better team offensively on the whole the season. Just because we're gonna have butler antigua and mitchell. I would just expect a natural evolution there and so in totality. Yeah this is. This is a team. That's deserving of. It's hype. I will be interested to see how it just kind of handles it. There's no outright star we had we had butler fairly. I mean preseason all-america fairly high on our top one hundred one players list. I didn't vote for him. Preseason first team. All american. I i enjoy his game but i actually think baylor worked so well because it is kind of a one for one for all kinds of deal there. And while he's going to need to be able to average north fifteen tonight and i think that teague will as well. There's enough dynamism with the offense that that drew in his staff should be able to rely on these guys to be fairly consistent. Anyone else for you. Gp i mean. Listen you've had frigging almost thirty iterations of your top twenty five and one studied up outside of the guys. We've mentioned to you anyone else that you think would be a significant contributor. Well they do enroll a couple of top one hundred freshmen. A among them eljay crowder. Who's a six one guard accomplished score. I think he can come off the bench and maybe get you know in a very much a role player but come off the bench and get some some buckets for you. And he'll have one of those games where you look up. And he got sixteen points off the bench or something like that. He won't average anything close to that. But i do think having a a guard who can score at your disposal. Use them if you need him. Sit him down. If you don't is is a good thing to have. And then we'll be interested to see what they do with the fifth starter. Like we know jared butler david mitchell macy. Ot mark vital. Those those are four. Starters whose is the fit is full. Tomba is it. Matthew mayor is one of the freshman. Is it going to be fifth starter by committee. I don't think it's that important like it doesn't matter but that is something that that scott. I'm certain is figuring out right now. I feel like mayor might be it. I think that he might fit in. Best there but But i do think this'll be a pretty reliable team of eight or nine guys and yeah with the new guys coming in how they factor when you've got a really really good team. We'll we'll wait and see on that but but but mayor without a doubt Can be kind of one of those guys who's who who's a killer against the other team because he's not low on confidence can shoot from deep Has pretty good size there. And it's just you know kind of one of those x-factor types of yeah. So i hope it's pretty clear. Were both fans of of of what's in store for baylor. At least what's possibly in store. 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"These four youngest to fifty but the most young trae young. This is just Albany with rain and he was able to stick that Jimmy Butler after the premature celebration that had good but national panel. I asked you four points. The three players who were younger to get the fifty grand in reading while you were the quickest u where the quickest Alison. I hear you prakash. Here you run. Everybody gets point. All offered was incorrect. What he decides twenty twenty. Let's start with NFL CBA talk. This isn't just about one more playoff team in each conference. Not even just about seventeen regular season games. It's through revenue splits and how it would increase up. A half percentage point to forty eight point five. Should there be an extra regular season game? And then that would caps those game checks at two hundred and fifty thousand which is less than what nice percentage of the League typically mix for the game maybe ten percents so invents of the votes the eleven. Nfl Players Association executives posted their suggestions. Today it was six to five six. No five yes those execs. They're talking to the player reps today eventually. A vote of twenty one hundred or so players. Now let's talk to you bill plash. There's a lot of details in this fine suspension and training camp as well if you're the players are you signing off on this absolutely. I'm San and often. There's there's less training camp more money the extra game if you if you look at the stats teams play in playoff games. The Games every year. Don't get any more hurt than teams regular players again. It's more money for these players and guarantee they're gonNA vote for this because of the players the the the executive committee is a lot of veterans who've made their money the population of the unions mostly populated with younger players. Who Haven't made their money. Who Will Benefit from the increased game the increase game check? It's more money less work in training camp more money than regular season. It's a no brainer. The old brainer. I guess we could end the conversation right. Plaski says it's a no brainer. What are you page? How's your brain? I think it's a brain. The white that the younger players are going to go for because they want that two hundred fifty thousand dollar check. I think the older players are saying really. Is that enough if even if it goes to forty eight point five percent are we getting fifty percents? We've got thirty two owners over a year. Twenty one hundred players over here so. I think it depends on how long you've been in the leak. What your position is in regard to high you feel about percentage of money based on what the owners are getting and I think they did. Tease him with enough bill. You're right tease him. With a lot of things like marijuana no suspension for that. Fewer marijuana checks for players Shorter training camp and acclimation period. Whatever that but I think they teased him with enough stuff that they will vote forward in my mind but I think there are a lot of people you're willing that at's you're saying the league. I'M NOT WANNA put words in your mouth. Say to me. What he that the League is saying. Look all this great stuff over here. You can have an extra playoff game. We won't view marijuana the same way but seventeen games coming your way yes incentive. It's like a magician over here trying to get you to look over here and say. Oh look at this that we're going to give you all of this like expand the roster by to expand the practice squad by two so they're giving them a lot of incentives to okay. You're calling that misdirection where somebody just call that in negotiation you have to give some. They did get something. Tim cowlishaw bring you in here. Always hard to follow that abby brain and plasma to let me just try this Plaski is correct about what we're talking about here if you're a superstar and you're in your thirties you're making fifteen million a year you can say no and wait around in a four to lockout if you're the rank and file which is what most real unions word for the rank and file workers not the millionaires at the top of the food chain. Of course you're GonNa take this as more practice squad jobs. There's a big bump in pay for second year players ninety thousand dollars if you're a minimum player of the the seventeenth game. You'll gladly take that extra check if especially if you're gonNA have short careers so even though the percentages should have gone up more and I don't know why the players can't get to fifty percent other than the owners want to give it to them Yes that's very fair deal and I think ended up. They can get there but that would require potentially a work stoppage which is always on the horizon here. Speaking of our rank and file Frank. Solos with this. Let's bring in Frank here rank and file. You're absolutely right. I think about the popularity of the sport thing about coming off a terrific super bowl. The last thing they want is any kind of work stoppage. I think the players have some leverage here but remember you guys on an executive committee player reps older players so when they think of a seventeen game they know the wear and tear it takes. Younger players are saying. Yeah what's the big deal? Let's go out there and play. I think the vote deserves to go to all the players but remember it is the has in the have nots. And there's a lot more have nots in the NFL who know that their career span is between one and three years. Those guys want the money now. I understand that the vote should go to all the blast. You know frankly. I don't think the players have any leverage. That's why that's GonNa take this. They're not going to strike. There'll be no work stoppage careers or too short. We've we've seen that the unions not GonNa do that. The players won't vote to walk out on careers that last two or three years anyway. It won't happen then. That's what you WANNA answer. That doesn't want to lose. All you gotTa do is look at the XFL or look at any league that pops up and see what players are willing to play for and then thinking about okay. You WanNa make six times that much if you're making the lowest scale in the NFL. Of course they should vote for the march eighteenth is the new year food for the NFL. That's when this has to be agree to buy. Will it be agreed to Bill Plaski? Yes or no point blank yes. I already paid someone Blake. Yes Tim cowlishaw correct Sola. Yes yes sir we move on NBA. Now Joel Embiid is thirty. Nine and sixteen. Last night was enough to call themselves the best player in the world after the best player in the world so a team go forty four eight in his face the nets on forty forty eight right in the middle of the second quarter this game needed overtime and the sixers prevailing can laugh at Joel embiid. Go ahead laugh at Joel embiid but to the sixers need into this and is he. He's like this does he. Leased get close to being the best player in the world frank. Well first of all Tony. Get it right. It's best player on the planet. That's what most of the NBA players usually say. And on Saturday night he will see the best player on the planet. That'll be honest. And Ted Koppel the game will be on ABC by the way. But I love the way that he played he certainly should be a top ten player in the League and he played like that the last night the key was four free throws in the final thirty five seconds. They needed all of them then. He made a big defensive play. So that's what the superstar players do. It's not just about putting a big points making winning. Plays and that's what he did in the bottle. Thirty five seconds of regulation talent show. How do you hear him? Beat say best player in the planet. he's not close to the best player. I think frank is right can argue best to top ten you can. Argue is the best in Philadelphia especially with Ben. Simmons doesn't suit up but it'd probably even when he does but you gotta look at some of the recent losses. They lose the Boston and beads one for eleven the last time they played the bucks. He's six for twenty six. He's a forty seven percents shooter. Which is a lousy percentage for a big man? And that's that doesn't come from shooting threes. He misses a lot of shots everywhere. He's very inconsistent player but at his ceiling for a night or two he can be right at the top of it. And what do you think the sixers want him to say this? Want him to think this one and to be this way. Oh absolutely they want him to try to be the best player on the planet in the world in the universe wherever it might be but I think the All Star game encouraged him when he's down. Low play teams play against them particularly on the road. Want him out there to three point. Line because of Simmons in Horford. There's a lot of traffic under the basket the lane. It's so as a result of Simmons not being in the game he he is a lot more spacing there and he can get inside and do more work in there and he would better if he had an opportunity to get low a lot more but we seem wandering the cord trying to be a guard at some point so. I think if does concentrate on this Simmons realizes watching the game that if he allows him being to get down low that it's GonNa be more successful because they're going to be together. They're not going to get rid of either one of them go flashy. If you're going to be the best player in the world you have to make your team better and Ben. Simmons isn't as part of this team and when they're together they're not better or twelve twelve net net rating when he's in a quarter alone when embiid and Simmons play together they have a one net rating. It's twelve or twelve times better with EMBIID BY HIMSELF. But they can't win without both of them so he's got to figure out how to enable and empower more and vice versa. That's where frank. Oh you know it's funny to after the game the media they always ask. Mvp You having fun. You happy doesn't matter if he's happy it matters if he's in shape and he's you know of his diet is right. Because last year in the playoffs remember had to Miss Games because of a tummy ache is who cares about this shaver and you can dominate. You know there's always like he's motivated if he's happy if you're not in the mood you get in the mood. Let's go now. And they was one of the teams on the court last night. Your Nets right guy. Sola Kyrie Irving Shoulder Surgery Brooklyn is paying durant and irving sixty nine million this year. And that's it the season that's a wrap twenty combined games right you do. The pre imposed only on yes. Is there any feeling of? I don't know this is is this GonNa work is there. Are they. Feeling that in Brooklyn Right now. How can you not feel remember? Everyone knew the situation with durant that he probably wasn't gonNA play this season but Kyrie irving the questions about his leadership number one and his door ability. He's missed close to two full. Nba Season's already over the course of his career. He could not stay healthy. That will be a huge issue going into next season. And you have the question mark now with Durant as well. You Make Fun of me. How many jobs is Frank? Is Solar College Tuition College under five hundred with him there? Five hundred without him obviously. I think they'd be better if he plays. It hasn't shown up on the court this year. I don't know if the hang on and make the playoffs or not. But I don't think it puts any damper on next year next year has always been there saying what he page well. I think it's a good idea that they are going to make the playoffs. Because of younger players that they're going to have to build around with those two superstars are gonNA get more experienced. Gowan durant comes in he encountered. You're going to start basically over. They've never played together. They never really been in a situation like this so I think that it's going to be a positive situation next year but right now. Kyrie Irving has just proven over and over again. He can't play a full season and it just happens and he needs to not be concerned about leadership durant's leader of going to be the leader of that team plachy huge disappointment for the nets if they wanted to carry this year to try to develop some chemistry with the rest of the team to at least moving forward. Then they can integrate durant. He hasn't done that and he's had his career high and and and in points and rebounds he's not in the court enough to make it happen. They're better with him off the court. This has been a huge bust huge bust. Your and moving forward are just going to work. Is this going to work guy? Celeste Ford F. One Tim is absolutely right. According to that you know the famous Dallas cowboys coach. Bill parcells. You are record. Says you are eight and twelve with them. Seventeen in seventeen when he doesn't play. That's this year last year with the Boston Celtics. Those numbers sounded awfully the same as well. Celtics better when he was twenty. Two Sixteen Calica twenty-five Ice Sola twenty four anybody's ballgame. Large-scale woody fog in woody talk sometimes democracy is a birthright. Sometimes it is gift today. It's a fight and I'm asking you to stand and fight with me Michael Bloomberg on bringing our country back together. This election is a referendum on the meaning of America. It is about what we will tell our children what we did at this time. This election is about whether we recognize that all groups who have been marginalized excluded scapegoated or far worse rise and fall together and that is our best hope standing together rejecting demagogues who tried to seduce us by dividing US and uniting behind the only shield that can protect us our common values as American citizens. And as God's children that is what this election is about and that is why. I'm running to repair the damage to move our nation forward together. We will get it done. Mike Bloomberg candidates. The president and I approve this message paid for by Mike Bloomberg Twenty twenty. Welcome back to around the horn. Coming to you from the Heineken River deck tear seventeen and the cowboys eddyville network. Admin when they ask them which system he would fit best in the NFL. Very tell them well. He grew up a cowboys. Fan If you had a choice. He played with the cowboys but even sit behind. Tim Cowlishaw I turn to you for cowboys. Had He thinks Jerry years that I'm trying to wonder how players who've never see the cowboys in a conference championship game. Grew up cowboys fan. Because if you're under thirty you don't remember that aside this is just It's humorous although it seems like a daily thing now that they're piling on Dak with another question whether it's Emmett Smith or two of his job It's just more pressure on you. Don't think Jerry's eight and your new way. No No. They're not gonNA maybe. They grew up reading in The Dallas. Morning News Yeah froze of one. Tim Cowlishaw Franken you. Well he did kind of say. I'd be willing to sit back for a year. Which maybe that's kind of gives you an indication of where is home lies? I think this is him saying what system cannot fit in. I could play anywhere but if I had my choice. I like to play for the team that I grew up rooting for flying over the last year. What Jerry says well how about we trade Prescott bringing Tom Brady and then draft to how about that. I mean how about that. That would be a lot of our easier with Jerry. Jerry happened out. Yeah it'd be very jerry crazier as selling Bill Tim. Tim Reading the Honolulu advertiser not the Dallas Morning News and Bill. In regard to that he was he was having fun. Did you watch the interview? He was having fun with his answer he does. He's going to go to number five to Miami. Dolphins rhetoric. That team play for year by its battery. How much do we hope he was very? Tv advertiser he was looking at full out of kids. Bail could be a better weekend matchup and this number one versus number three big twelve championship preview. Could you find a four national championship review? Tim Would you know? What do you buy from this matchup conference this Baylor team? These are all viscounts It's not going to be as easy as the last was oddly. Enough Baylor had a fairly routine time beating them. Dotson will play better for Kansas but I think Baylor as grow grown and Confidence Butler with his shooting lately has become one of the best players in the country. Baylor with closer. Kansas has the best inside outside combination. The country with Dotson as fluky. Here's the thing for Baylor. They're very good defensively and if you can win this game. That's two wins over Kansas including one in Allen fieldhouse. That's like a program changing type of moment. Only one team has ever swept Kansas under bill. Self is not going to happen here. Dawson remember Dolphin. Didn't play the second half of the first meeting. Kansas on a three point shooting care self has time to prepare. Kansas win page yeah. Kansas has gotten better since the first game. And I think it's going to be low scoring again and I think Kansas wins this game. Because it's more important to Kansas than it is to Baylor they're both going to be number one seeds and they're probably GONNA play. Games in the big twelve five strokes becoming it's affordable but also. They might meet again also. It's at eleven. Am This is an incredibly early this year. We're very low Padilla. You brought up a great piece of information. No one's ever swept itself in the regular season. You know the the team to do it. He said the one team and and you know you know what I. Oh I stayed off. Laskey oh this is so important to move on shops shock and a free flight press conference turned into a fight fight wilder fury one ended in a split draw with fury controlling early while they're getting as big right hand in the ninth and twelfth and putting them down. Woody guys all over Vegas what do you. What do you sell here? Wilder this We always use praised punchers chance while. Kyrie doesn't have a punchers chance because he's not a great punter. He's a Defensive Guy. He actually is very orthodox boxer foot wild or put him down twice in their previous match. I think he's going to knock him out in less than ten rounds and it's for me. It's getting late early. Did Callous show. I don't know about the knockout but I do know wilder Yes he did. He did not down. Twice and fury was cut last time he fought ten. You wonder if that's going to be a problem in this fight. I think wilder wins Tko Yeah I agree. I Dunno Tyson fury putting on so much weight. I think he's going into the final seventy that just means when he goes down it's going to be like a giant tree blanche to make him a big target. Wilder Nacional classified beer. Everybody's got the big three went down hard when he had the staff but they didn't know which plastic big tree goes down. What were you going? Funny knocked out college shy. Sola showdown in two minutes of Frank. Good luck and showdown trae. Young's fifty you can know that he's the guy that pulls up and hits from the logo but when you see him pull up and hit from the logo you're like wow he just pulled up it. Hits them the logo? I'm Kelly show. What is fifty mean? Twenty one years of age. Well people don't have to be impressed. Tony as folks now. I scored thirty two in an interview game on my twenty second birthday when I was twenty one so I've gotta give trae young creditor look at the distance of some of those shots. What's impressive is. He scored twenty in the fourth quarter. He did not play in the fourth quarter. The All Star Game when team scored twenty two points and about forty one minutes. Why did Nick Nurse Avenue? That's what you should have brought up cal. That is what you can relate to not playing quarter underage girl game. Move on Nathan Kirby on Claudia. Ru flat out levels him then accepts the invitation from Travis. San Heim takes endowed gets a standing ovation from the Columbus home crowd. You guys familiar with job. Made in the League in Natalie Decade is listed at five four one six thousand nine second-shortest player in NFL history. Said I'm was eleven inches taller for this frank Fight Frank. How do you grade your skills? But first of all the chick was illegal left his feet. And all Travis is trying to do is just prevent them from doing anything else. He could have beat them up. It's like being a little brother. You just holding them back from trying to do anymore. I his fighting skills smart. Did you see that left? He threw he hit him in the jets. He knows he can't get into a trading punches with somebody outside tied him up got him on the ground had to let it go yes he had to leave his feet. He was given up legal. Have Shovel move on Eastern Illinois. Murray Score Fifty two twenty three and the profitability was looking kind of like that. And then as you could see and Comeback Twenty seven point comeback over the last eleven minutes Tim Eastern or Murray. Lois you know. I hate to be negative but when you're projected to be in the tournament at Number Fifteen seed you have a twenty seven point. Lead lead forty five to go. You want to stay up there with Austin P. You cannot let that lead get away. That's what Murray state here. We go again with ninety eight percent winning chance. And you say this about the forty niners in all they had to do in the final minutes. Just take a shot by violation every possession and you would have won the game. That's what I would have said about you when you started showdown with the wind but no Tim Cowlishaw your first time the NHL. They love worst to first stories. You heard all about last year. The Blues or Sima January Works Regular January one. The Cup team that was one seven and one back in October. The Dallas Stars. They're playing the blues tonight. Winner takes over first place in the western conference. He's GonNa be a great race what he's Avalanche. Sorta hanging on stars. They beat the blues two weeks ago. So you just Allahu bond of the blues this year's Blues okay. Dallas brings worse to work Monday.

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Bill Self, Dak's contract, Super Bowl preview, ranking Jeter + Brady + LeBron, Antonio Brown, Dolphins + Joe Burrow

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Bill Self, Dak's contract, Super Bowl preview, ranking Jeter + Brady + LeBron, Antonio Brown, Dolphins + Joe Burrow

"Hey Yeah Jimmy here when you speak for yourself you're forced to think for yourself and when you think for yourself the sports world looks in order to enjoy this podcast and this show. You need to have the courage to look at the world from alternative points of view and not be offended when you disagree speak for yourself. Isn't your twitter facebook instagram feet. SF Y tells you what you need to hear and not what you want. So welcome aboard buckle. Look we start with college basketball sponsored by Popeye's chicken all right other than and Kansas City's Arrowhead stadium. I've spent more time inside the University of Kansas Allen fieldhouse than any other American sports venue and my sixteen years as a sports columnist for the Kansas City Star. I probably watched one hundred basketball games inside the fog. I saw Paul Pierce grow from boy too young man I I saw Roy. Williams make Kansas Fans Giddy by rejecting North Carolina and Roy Williams break the hearts of Kansas fans by embracing North Carolina. I saw Danny remaining return as an assistant. Coach I saw Mario charmers perfect. The shot one day win a national championship Allen. FIELDHOUSE is a special place for the Blueblood owned season tickets at the fog for thirty forty and fifty years Allen. FIELDHOUSE is a sacred place in their minds. Brawls and mayhem are beneath the dignity of fog Allen in their minds the ending the last night sunflower showdown. The rivalry between Kansas and Kansas state was an abomination nations and a blight on the reputation of a basketball program that thinks of itself as Duke Midwest with one second play in Kansas leading by nineteen points. Candice this big man. Silvio stood over and taunted a fallen case they player sparking an ugly melee. That is being called college. Basketball's Mollison the palace. Both benches cleared. The brawley moved into an area reserved for handicapped fans to Sosa picked up and cocktail chair and luckily had it. Swipe from his grip by a second party no one was injured. I'm not even sure if any punches landed but there's a lot of damage here. Legendary broadcaster Dick vitale called for dissociate to be removed from the team for now selfish suspended indefinitely pending a review by Kansas and the big twelve but the person facing the harshest punishment is likely a non player. Kansas coach Bill. Self self is my second favorite coach in any sport after Roy Williams self is a tremendous tremendous strategists a terrific motivator and just flat out a good do he led the Jayhawks to an incredible fourteenth. Straight big twelve titles. He replaced Williams who was beloved loved and then Surpass Roy in terms of accomplishments at Kansas. The only aspect he couldn't match Williams in is in creating that sacred place is feeling inside the fog Williams recruited choirboys like Jok von Wayne Simeon. Rafer friends and Nick Collison self recruits tough guys like Marcus and Markeith Markeith. Moore's Sherron Collins and Silvio salsa the blue bloods at Kansas have likely had their fill of tough guys the programs reputation has suffered a string of hits in the past two years to Sosa's recruitment sparked in NCWA investigation that is still ongoing to social set out his freshman year. And it's been an absolutely bus this year. Averaging two point eight points snoop dogg broad stripper a stripper poles and profane music to Kansas midnight. Madness tip off in October over. I think the blue bloods cans are going to thank bill. Sell for seventeen years of service and ask him to coach an NBA team next season. That will be the fallout from the brawl. All in the fog I joined the death now is Fox sports. NBA analyst Ric Bucher Marcellus. Get US rolling Bill Self Lee for the NBA. After the season he's not not at all Especially using this incident to start dad movement and start the energy. I would stay still. He makes four million dollars a year. The top five in basketball is talking about job security which you are forwarded at a blue blood that he's at Kansas and that job security makes me WANNA WANNA stay and makes them more attractive to just keep going with the status quo. Look at a down year for Duke is a down year for North Carolina Kentucky. You take advantage those situations and in the end game. This is still the third ranked team in the country. So do we blame a Mike Tomlin when we watch a mason. Rudolph swing a helmet. How much do you put on? The coast. Game was basically over and the player went out of bounds and out of bounds in terms of ethics. In terms of what you're supposed to do and sportsmanship so so this shouldn't land fully on bill self tremendous. Coaching won a national championship. In the three final fours and overall is still doing the end game in uh-huh myles Garrett swung the helmet and Freddie Kitchens. We'll go get the question is if he were to go to the NBA. Would there be a head. Coaching spot available double now. Bill Self is very close with R C Buford of the San Antonio Spurs are sees K. U. Roots are very deep and those guys are very tight from what I understand. That's not necessarily an opening. Are we talking about him. Coming and joining the Front Office or Taking an assistant coaching job. Now the Spurs. I have done that when Quin Snyder. Things got a little tough for him. That was a place. Jim Herrick got a job with the Spurs. They've been known to be a safe haven and for college coaches who need a little time out or a little maybe a little rehab. As far as and the Spurs have a lot of people from their air tree that run other teams but as I look across the board at those teams. None of them are looking for a head coach so if bill comes in is he willing to come in as an assistant. Is it a matter of just getting out of atoms on bill sell. Okay I I and you can push back because I may be wrong here but my narrative is bill self is such an accomplished college coach. And if you know his work he's not a candidate for jobs. Connected to the San Antonio Spurs he would be the best available coach on the market. Probably not named Rick Pitino and Rick Pitino is now going to the NBA to me. He's the best. He's a candidate for any job Albany. NBA His ability to get a job. That's going to give him the security top what he has in college basketball. I don't know that he's going going to find that valve or somebody. WHO's missing? Yes somebody may give him a shot. Somebody May WanNa hire him as a head coach. They're not going to give him the Mike Chef sqi sweetheart deal and here's the thing coach K.. Said you know what I know where I'm king. It's college basketball as good as bill self may be the the NBA is an entirely different animal. And I've seen it swallow up plenty of good college coaches who weren't able to operate and they were never quite leading. Let's I just the guy won. Fourteen straight conference titles and I'm stressing that point to say he should go coast the Sacramento Kings for three years ears. He can go coach. My Indiana Pacers. For three years he can go to Charlotte in coach from Michael Jordan for three years flop and get a huge power five conference job back in college after the smokers clear going to the NBA doesn't end him as a head coach. It just says S. seventeen years here in Kansas. These and again I know that fan base that crowd quite well They like this. This snoop dogg thing the NCW investigation the kids in just the way they want to be perceived. They're uncomfortable right now and and if bill self needs to go take a time out and see if he's a great. NBA coach. which I think he would be he? This is the time to do it. And then he can still circle back if it doesn't work and get a great college is there are no smoke from this situation. I think right now. They're telling themselves in terms of trying to register Mr what. The blowback is therefore the suspension is indefinite. You're talking about this. How long does it have to be based on how you guys responded? SNOOP DOGG walk. Situation was a misstep from top to bottom one. The kids weren't even wanting snoop Dogg. Come out there. These kids are late teens. Early Twenties. They they they get mad when they see game or so from the two thousands of fifty cent let alone snoop from the nineties so that was just a misstep that doesn't land on Bill Self. Why would I want to voluntarily voluntarily take a step time out when I'm not gonNA give forced out from job disappear and this this what I'm saying is and again it's not about the kids? Kids there are a hundred. Kansas basketball boosters alums season ticket holders who really matter and among that group of one hundred people then like the brand of Kansas was Roy Williams and Chock van and Jock and the beanstalk. We're Duke Midwest and this is how we see ourselves. Kansas keeps creeping further and further away from that and as long as they were winning titles fourteen eighteen straight and three final four appearances. Everything's all good but when you couple that with. NCWA investigation this is this. Is Larry Brown all over again and self is off the Larry Brown tree it was the NCWA heat that made Larry Brown who jumps anyway. But that's what ended things that Kansas and it was great. He took him to a national championship with Danny Manning Blah Blah Blah. But did. He really fit the brand of Kansas. The Way Roy Williams did the way these fans perceive themselves and so again I love bill self and this guy is a tremendous coach. He's one of the Best S.. People I know sometimes the fit is not perfect in a college basketball situation where people perceive themselves. And then if I'm bill self who wrote it off all the school you'd run off all the schools that are a big college basketball is down the powerhouses be be cut. College basketball just doesn't have the luster and it's great as you get the four million dollar payday but I think he can go get paid a lot of money in the NBA and circle back to college basketball. What if necessary? I just think the allure of Kansas and waiting to Kansas. The way you have to go about it is difficult to sust. Keep sustaining this longevity. Long jeopardy itself has gone beyond just text me. Say A man Let me tell you how it is between College Michigan and now being in the pros it's a whole different for an animal if you talk about culture changes in college basketball. Let's look at Duke. Duke used to profess. We're not a one and done campus. We're not a one doc program there wanting to now that's how you you evolve with certain situations. Sometimes you take a turn and ethics to the point where you look at. This is what she makes a million dollars a year. And you know why he doesn't make more because the governor voted for him to get paid to LLC therefore he's he's GonNa get tremendous tax breaks to keep him out of the state funding. That means everyone's involved in this. That means we have given you the green light. I bill self to do what you do. And that's being a winning program third in the nation right now and I think he has that support. Maybe not those boosters but the governor is even involved in terms of compensation for and there's no doubt but I don't think the relationship with the athletic director is ideal that's not the guy who hired him and again. I just think it's a perception thing. I I WANNA move on to. What should bill self do with? Silvio Salsa One I think you just need to be definitive. Let's not grandstand. It's not hold this guy out there in the middle of the town square for everyone to throw their shots set. This is still a youngster. Twenty one years old. Obviously you don't want to throw away his career and his opportunity to evolve in his career but suspend them for this year here. I would take that as a maximum sentence. You're done for the year not only for starting the brawl but also trying to really escalate it in terms of picking up the chair. But I just don't like the in fact there's some pageantry in terms of his suspension indefinite until we find out what's to blow back real consequences unfair to this kid. I think I think you're right there. Tipping being their hand in terms of. They're trying to figure out what. How much do we have to suspend him to satisfy the critics out there for me? It's if you suspend him for three to five games. I am good and let's by the way Kansas. Let's teach our players how to dribble out the clock because this happened against Monmouth last year. This very same thing blowout game. They're not driven out the clock. Somebody steals it. Goes the other way it's as much I want to know. What Bruce Weber saying doin Gordon about we're doing we're down twenty one? Well I think he addressed that last night though. It's here take the competitor out of these kids. It's it's a mickey mouse move but competition the first thirty nine points in the last when you download twenty one or do you want K.. You instead do you want K.. You and said you know what we're GonNa put it on you we're GONNA we're GonNa Dunk on you until the very last beat up the kid for stealing the ball and compete and to the end. He shouldn't have done it but I'm not going to beat him up. I'd also so now going to beat up the social to be quite honest with you. I'm right there with you with the three to five game suspension. I'm GONNA Defend Kansas. Move here of the indefinite suspension. I don't think you have to make some instantaneous decision. The reason to do that is to satisfy the media if you really about. What's best for the kid? What's best for his teammates? What's best for our program? Go ahead with the pump. Them take a beat figure it out. Let the big twelve come in and say what they WANNA do but with all young people and I know what he did and I'm not blaming Dick by Tau for being heated in the moment if I had to be on TV in the moment in the aftermath aftermath after that I might have said the same thing as Dick five towel having had twelve hours to watch a bunch of tape. Consider my faults dumb things I've done. No I'm not for four. I'm not season suspension for kicking him off the team. Three five games. Let's keep learn a lesson. The kids already been a flop. He's learning lessons. I'm just three to five games. I said maximum sentence. Xactly here you take me to the end. Did this year fine. That's the maximum. I understand three to five but I don't understand indefinite one you already saw would occur. You seen every single angle every single ice. Oh every single single I shot stop. What are you waiting for your hide behind? Perception your hide behind criticism. You hide behind what others perceive the situation as. And then you're going to rule if you've you've seen every angle and you know what happened. This was an occurrence. This is not investigation. Why did you stand over him? Why did you block the shot? We know those assets so for them to do this. They're not being genuine. Yeah well what. I'm seriously what they WANNA be do. What's best for the salsa? But again they got their hundred or so boosters hardcore fans how's how's it going to land with them and if they want to take their temperature because again the money they spend important of that program makes the difference. It makes the experience. I would would make sure that everybody has a family's on board with what we're going to do with the Salsa I get that but you are by by definition you you are now handing the reins over to people outside of your career making the decision you just take it anymore. y'All got kids. Yeah do do. Do you ever like discipline. Your kids in the moment and then the next day like Oslo too hard to solve. I wish I should've pumped the and I re configure but let me tell you what I do. You know what I'm just going to think about your punishment forever indefinitely indefinitely on time out the top five minutes sister but over there. That's it like this indefinite part is just so disingenuous. And they're hanging out there because they don't know what to do behind Michael That is the heart of it. It's it's not a matter we're taking it out for real. It's we're not sure what to do. Yeah somebody tell us what to do that. I told them three to five game. 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Big Dogs up here in the trenches about the bring the pain you know what this is. That dude do star for number three Dennis Kelly. Nama stay number seventy one. Dennis Kelly blocks for beat. It causes the earthquake heaviest player. Ever catch a postseason. Touchdown goes down three hundred twenty one pounds. Did it happen a little peek. In leak here Franco and Damian Wilson linebacker. There is on the mess point not looking at their responsibilities. Billy's plenty of room for my man to go out there and catch a touchdown. Nah stay killing us his whole body to catch it and actually show some good. How Lhasa now now Hope House and you know what respective in Jasa flow? Dennis Kelly. Your third do too late athlete. Vosa here AH lead to Netflix. And Chill Nick. Bosa gets bottled up initially but hose the ADS and corrals eras for sect. And doesn't know what to do right here here. Look at his hands off. Gave it Bahktiar. ooh Good I move. But as you know office alignment cam replace that. That's called Ham replace him. So He's like I'm GonNa stay out here just Netflix and chill dog angle too much this. Oh you're gonNA come to me air rogers so many sex are made if you're just disciplined a moment and he's like so what happened are trying try to do this but mayor he blocked so I'll say all right. I'm GONNA JUST GONNA stay out here Luke Air. He'll come over here you say oh that works now now. Really got the sack you. It's not night nick boasting number two due to the week as go a number one. What is boy worth the money? Frank Walk in the playoffs especially Tornado. Warning morning I use this a self often spin again. That's what he did right here. Tannehill I knew that that's kind of a greater with that. Walk Right here on us. Akeem allies look at this. Oh my God yeah you made a whole sack early years that created a little tornado. Oh Teddy Hill. What happened to you McDonough Afoul in that game? Get up man to win. Got some brother. I don't know what's going on here. Here's some of that money. Frank you are number one that due to the weems shake on the football field all right thank you. That was awesome time now for a big story. Let's move to Dallas after a season's worth the drama over Dak Prescott. Contracts Jones says the the quarterbacks new deal is the team's top priority. This off season. Saying it's been urgent for them to get it done but ESPN Werner thinks deck is actually at an advantage. China's now tweeting quote that Prescott has tremendous leverage in contract negotiations with with the cowboys. The coaching chains to Mike McCarthy Arthur makes his involvement leading the off season program and mastering whatever changes there on the offensive system all the more critical. He can't participate without a contract. Bind is logic here. Does Mike McCarthy May give Dak Prescott more contract laverick. Absolutely some that we've been talking about. I've been beating. His drum talked about the report Dayton. April you talk about Franchise Tag Day in March that's leverage for deck because in times of change in turnover you gotta highlight the constant. And what's the constant at your most important position you have guy and Dak Prescott who had a career year so now doc is sitting there certainly benefiting from the changes on the sidelines and affect. You need him as they feel general duby that constant so yeah more leverage into debt prescot. I'M GONNA say no for the simple fact that if he to have laboured you've got to be willing to use it I don't believe Dak Prescott on a franchise tag will say I'm not showing up. He will show An. And if I'm the cowboys I non exclusive Franchise Franchise Tag. Let's see what you can get on open market and if if we don't WanNA match this off or we'll take the two first round. Picks try to move up and draft one of these ricky quarter. I don't believe Dak Prescott on a franchise tag. We'll say okay. I'M NOT GONNA show. He just doesn't come off as that guy and if I'm the cowboys I also WanNa see how he performs in his system before I signed him to a four five year deal anyway. I agree with that and I think that when you look at the situation I think back in his people his advisors. We're going to sit there and say wait a minute now. We got a pretty good situation now. McCarthy here we got a good team around around you where else can you go where you're going to walk in and have this kind of an environment already built ready ready to go. And you know McCarthy's record track record as a as a head. Coach with quarterbacks is very very solid I think agree with TJ. That he's not going to the kind of rock. The boat kind of guy where he's going to not honor that franchise tag. I think the cowboys are extended to them. And they'll tell them in good faith that we're GONNA try negotiate. Try and get this contract up to where it makes sense to both sides either way. I think he's going to be there through the off season. I don't think he's going to exercise any kind of pressure by holding out or threatened to hold out. I'm not sure what DAX going to do. Because I I think that his agent Todd France a Helluva but may have Dak out over his skis. And so I'm not sure what let they're willing to do. They may not show up. But I don't think DAX leverage is enhanced because one they've already announced Keller Moore's coming back off into coordinating on basically run the same offense and so I don't think Dallas has some great fear of all my God that won't be here for the off season he won't be he'll be playing catch up with the offense. I don't think that's their fear. I think the cowboys and Jerry Jones probably have rightfully figured out figuring out a long time ago. What I've been saying? Who who else would pay that? Thirty five thirty four thirty three million dollars. I don't think anybody would. And they may have to call this dude bluff love to get him to accept a contract that they think is reasonable time. Somebody up here. Put some respect on Dax name and his level of gangster and I'm going to be the one because he had a thirty three million dollar deal sitting there on the table. You know what he did. THAT'S GANGSTA UTAH. He's not gonNA show improve or he's not going to test them when they try. Try to franchise him. Oh yes he is the same guy who has that kind of Mojo mindset that. I'm looking at thirty three million dollars on average quarterback at the time not even own a career rear year and I just dismiss it. Oh He's ready and they're ready to give him what he wants. Because Kelly Moore is in place. Why is he in place? Give deck woody. We need give deck. What he wants to keep that constant? I don't look at it like you look at it. I look at it like Hella more. You were saved because of the greatness or the belief in Deck Prescott. So if you're going to give him what he wants to turn the coordinator you're not going to give him what he wants to turn the contract and try to call his bluff bad move. This is the same. This is kirk cousins. All over again. And I think you as a quarterback on a good team put some good numbers as you WANNA playoff game no. He hasn't won a playoff game. He don't do it. You won't okay a couple of years ago when that that was but the bottom line is acted. He went to big gators last two years. Zero playoff games all right. So he doesn't have that leverage working for him he didn't went into the big games this year. Down the stretch. I think that works against him now. He's going to get the money at some point. It's not gonNA be anything more than I think that. Thirty three million the franchise way way more than that franchise tag thirty three and a half. Yeah you bet on yourself. An mass obviously what he's doing and if I'm the cowboys I'm not going with the non on exclusive franchise tag. You have to you have to give give him the non-exclusive I'm not born with the is twenty. I five million. I think that's that Prescott should get paid. How would jason on this one list? See what you can get out there. And that's how you treat your franchise quarterback you keep their coordinate a native format say come back to you is never personal. It's just business you're right it's business but it's also it's also bad biz. Lock him in on a deal. Five Year deal that he wants and he doesn't come through on that you've committed all that money to impasse in rumbles Taino in number okay. And guess what they're going to. The defense didn't live up to expectations this year. The Olympics all these maybe step backwards they some known the House on the defense or the running back position are asking for thirty five. Thirty six million. That's the position that's and that's why they're looking giving him differently. You have to produce at a massive level to gent to for people to feel good about paying that kind of money. Trust me the La Rams uh-huh do not feel good about jere golfing what they're paying the eagles feel good. Yeah I never want to January again. You asked whether the Eagles feel-good ankles. I don't feel good to do but one quarter in January. I got her but I think they feel a lot better ways. They I feel like he can do it. The rams got major questions about Jared Goff and I just don't think I think Jerry are protecting back from from himself man you come in there making thirty five million dollars a year you gotta be better than what he's shown to survive that locker room at that. I think Mike Right. McCarthy wants him under the exclusive franchise tag behind closed doors. I think he wants them. Under the exclusive franchise tag so we can look at him for a year and say is this the guy I want to build everything around moving forward all the leverage in a world that gives him all the levers having a number one office didn't give them all the levers having Second most wind says he been a quarterback in eight even more mind-blowing he has the second most wins and he it will sell for me lately. The one presented by Hyundai with lock could Wiley joined now by Fox. NFL analyst Lavar ARRINGTON and rams offensive tackle former LSU tiger national champion Oh now looks like NBA. Va Small forward and pass out any money after that national championship there The only ones to my kids are all. Aw where we'll see a showdown of great offense versus defense this year with the chiefs leaning on Patrick Mahomes a mess of weapons. and Andy Reid while the forty niners have had a dominant pass rush and the NFL's number two ranked defense this season historically teams with a top defense have played in twenty super bowls and their record is fifteen and five all time. Would you rather have a great offense or a great defense in the Super Bowl. Your your boy. Great all fence. Look I play defense my entire life. Trust me there's no worse feeling than when you go out there and you lose a close game and there's thirteen eighteen eighteen thirteen and three. Yeah that that point in in in the game of football is better to outscore them because it's hard lose forty two thirty seven. It's hard to go out there and say we already spotted ourselves four touchdowns. Good luck to them to catch up so to me. It's not even the conversation. Pop Warner J. V.. Bees these football. Whatever it is you light up the scoreboard? The chances of you went in those games goes up tremendously You know what I'm with you say. Great offense because the reality is you look at it. Most of the teams are the highest score and in the League or the teams that are having the most success in our winning a lot of football games and I look at big games like we had last year with Kansas City and in high scoring affair I like like being in that game a whole lot better than I do. Being in thirteen to three. When you're looking for any way you can score possible and you also look at the success of these teams one team may have a great defense and the other May and not? Just be a solid defense but the reality is both of them score a ton of points and that's why they are where they are. And that's why I'm going offense. Sounds good super pretty heading into super bowl week pro week offensive rules fines or all to protect offense but it's the defense it's easily and clearly clearly undisputed. It's the defense why. Think about the uniqueness of what a defense has to do you look at an offense was office guide to score asset score. Get off the field. IAGO big uglies do do you work you know talk. Talk it through quarterbacks. Talk it through but defense they go out there. They have to act as the defenders they have to act as special teams. They have to act as an offense. Who else has that many responsibilities other than the defense? I'll say no one right they score touchdowns they can give you feel position and those are actual functions. Of What a defense does I. I would rather have a great defense. Because I've I'm just seen defensive snaps slows man break a team mentally. I saw Baltimore with Ray Lewis back in two thousand the greatest super bowl performance performance. I've ever seen from an individual player and he snatched the so. I think it was the giants the Baltimore and destroyed them single handedly with Trent dilfer his quarterback back that defense destroy teams mentally. And that's why and again that's why they're fifteen and five and super bowls and so. I'm about winning. I would rather have a great defense. A great offense having said that. I'd rather have Patrick Mahomes and San Francisco's defense. Yeah well you know I it. That's actually why defenses. Winning big moments of super bowls is because to play defenses primal all else fails hit color see color hit color office. You can get cute that you could kind of talk your way out of situations and I hate to say but you know you can see offense rolling and and then they tried to disguise things. Say they're going to try and stop this. So let's just do it. Plan B I and that's what happens in big moment so you get into a situation where I think the anxiety of offense can come back to bite you whereas in the defense you can always fall back on just the opposite color you think about the rams though think about the rams when they were the greatest show oh on turf when you went to that game and the Patriots just began to establish who they were going to be as as a dynasty team. What was it that dominated the game? What was it that separated the best from the rest? It wasn't the greatest show on turf. You talk about snatching souls to see Thai law was doing out there on the edges and Lawyer Milloy and what they were doing all illegal. Now you gotTa Come Concern Andrew. I WANNA come straight to you. Can the chiefs offensive line. I'd do anything with this forty-nine pass riskin they handle it. Well I think they can handle it. I think that the you know. Obviously mahomes is the x factor. There is his ability to move and get out of the pocket and make plays the difference really for this group's going to be you. Look at really you know the edges. They got two great tackles and Fisher and Schwartz both played well and protected the pass of the season and they're gonNA be facing their two of their best indie Ford and Bosa but inside is a matchup. I'd like to look at is is was new ski because you think of really armstead in Butner was nuke he's doing a great job But armstead and Buckner of how law success against shorter guards that's where they tend to feast. They're big tall. Long Range. You guys so the interesting thing for me is always with quarterbacks that middle pressure when there's pressure up the middle those edges. Sometimes they can dodge but when that middle guys coming. That's trouble for a quarterback because they start to lose where they can get out of the pocket and you know what I'd say that this group right here in San is played as good as I've seen up front and then front four and Think they'll do pretty well. Yeah I think mahomes leaning into his mobility is really really gonna be an asset The forty niners. You want to say one. Achilles heel has been against the mobile quarterback Colin Murray. We saw that Russell Wilson. We saw that. So that's a little bit of an issue. She would with them. And if you look at what the forty niners were able to do in terms of pressure in Aaron Rodgers a lot of times he was getting off I read because it was just atoms and then he didn't have a second seconded redid he trusted and that's when they started to cave in on him. Patrick mahomes process was going faster dead ability to get the ball out. I think because of all the weapons he has. He's going to have more options more outlets so he won't sit back there and hold it as much they can handle this defensive front and they cannot handle for this defense of Front. And they're going to have to figure out ways to try to neutralize and slow them down the scariest proposition here is andy. Reid isn't big or at least has never really established running running. They're going to have to establish this run game. They're going to have to show mahomes can escape when he needs to in some of these ads. ADS plays in order to slow them down. They're able to slow them down then they may have some success. QB spot the key to this game to me will be Patrick. Mahomes is accuracy on hot reads and shorter routes. If he has any weakness he can get inaccurate on the shorter rooks. He again some of these drops that are being pinned on. Why receivers are actually balls? That are a little bit off target in their heart or catches and again if the guy has has any weakness is too short hot fast and that to me is going to be critical for the chief offensive line. Give him enough enough time to work a little bit further down field. If those four guys get initial pressure. It could be an interesting afternoon for Patrick. Mahomes by the numbers is a better pass blocking unit there six ranked versus a run blocking unit. Seventeen frank so I ain't GonNa cook the books here to packers dirt ranked and he saw what happened to the packers as well. Well so they're going to be able to get after but like you said it's the outlets to options is too quick decision making that separates Patrick halls probably from every other quarterback. We've seen them go against no question in his ability to get out of the pockets going to be key. I think in this game. You'll probably see the cheese trying. move his spot get him out of the pocket on rollouts play actions things like that where they can eliminate some of that Russia immediately and get him some easy completions kinda running and doing what he does best and not let those set their sights on quarterback who's just sitting in the middle of the pocket and all they know is they got to get to that seven yards Andrew before we go. I want to just thirty one quicker while you're free agent. You expect to be back with the rams you got to look around I expect to be back with the rams. I look forward to that opportunity Hope it works south and I know the kids are enjoying it. Joined being in California and especially moment enjoys you know that means I look forward to the opportunity back here when you start your hiring process you may have questions. Were you find good applicants to choose from what about education and experience and how. How would you know you've made the right? 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Jeter just elected to the hall of fame ballot winning votes from all but one of the voters. The highest percentage teammate. Mariano Rivera jeter was the face of the Yankees in baseball for generation and compared to other guys would affected their sport. uh-huh jitters five titles fourteen all sorts elections stucco pretty well against Tom Brady and Lebron James but Geeta everyone vp. So what I want to know is how would you write right. These guys careers Hey go over there and third. Is there jeter jeter second place. We have Tom Brady. And the king is number one because he's the damn king he hit the greatest heights and it's a combination. The Nation of team success individuals success. Being the reason you want and being in the conversation of the greatest to ever do it no regardless artist position none of those other guys qualify in that situation so to pump Lebron. Let me just from Tom Brady. The Bra from day one number one pick overall and that's no six rounder. Good you want a lot of team success. But have you ever been considered by talented the best and greatest quarterback no because paint manny. Anyone more one more piece had more pros so there was a conversation of team success. That was inflating you in our eyes versus actual individual greatness greatness. Derek jeter at times was even best player on his team. So respect to all those guys who are insanely great greater than ever was. Lebron is degraded of all can't agree with you there because it doesn't say greatest who rank them by player is his rank them by career and for what it's worth include players other players other other guys on your team to be a part of your career. So I'M GONNA start with saying that Derek jeter is three reason. Why put Derek at three is? He's almost like the Bill Russell of of this list right. He has the accolades. He has the accomplishments but isn't going to ever be one of those first names out of your mouth when you say greatest ever when you talk talk about baseball great so put them three. I put Lebron at two and the reason why I put Lebron too because when you have that greatest of all time who had the greatest career why what. And where and how. You're going to say Michael Jordan. I you may say Lebron second you may say a couple of other names. Kobe may jump in there. There's a few others that may come to mind but Michael Jordan for the most part is always going to be the the one name that comes up as the first name that comes out and then I go with Tom. Brady if the discussion takes place Tom Brady is going to be in that discussion point with Joe Montana or maybe a couple of other guys that you know. We may throw out there Jim Brown but he's always going to be in the greatest that ever did it conversation amongst the animals so that would be my top great minds. I'm with you on that list. JEETER first of all wouldn't really be in this conversation if it weren't for the intangibles he's a great leader. Jerry Krause set it about the bulls organizations win championships players. Don't in the case of baseball. A truly is organizations. No I don't know that any one player can dominate nate. So He is third in my mind. We never talked about him. Being the best shortstop in the game the way we talk about both Lebron James my number two as being the best small forward. I'm not there in talking about him as the greatest to ever played the game. I don't care what the statistics say. He's not in that conversation for me number one Tom Brady. We do talk about him. Being potentially the best quarterback who's ever played the game. I'M NOT GONNA hold it against him when he got. You're aware who drafted him in. How or whatever? The fact of the matter is seven championships. He's been both the champion and the best at his position. And and there's the other that's the intangible with Lebron six choose me kind of had like everyone else. Yeah the the the other element is there's just it's so messy around Lebron about career. We talk about what he's done to franchise. Derrick cheater. Didn't do it did nothing but good for the New York Yankees. Tom Brady has done nothing. What's good deflate? It come on As that way what happened only angel it all happened in New England. Quarter the cell phone wrong. I just came to me. Brady is clearly number one clearly number one jeeter to me. Edges is Lebron by a whisker. The owner was just GonNa say this talking about career spanned. ooh One guy one guy on this list is the gypsy. Who when his career is over? They're going to be sitting. Is he going to go. In as a cavalier. Always going to go into the heat or go into the LAKER. When you'd think Tom Brady? And Derrick jeeter you doing a pages New York Yankees to the. The Yankees are the greatest franchises in the history of sports. And probably other than Babe Ruth. I don't know who you think of Yankees more than Derrick. Eric Jeeter. He's got five no he's he's got five titles makes you all over here there. Jeeter tw- how many ever years have near-unanimous x hall of Fame Guy Lightly of it and and when you think of leadership or and representing a franchise in the greatest way possible was just. Don't think you can do better than the the problem with greater career due to MVP's and championships in in a sport. That's not as competitive of his base. Tom Brady is the bill Russell of that list. All the accolades team success kind of makes you think of them a little different grady. Gener and Jane hurt hurt Lebron's Gypsy. I will say this in your defense the one thing with Geeta and Brady. I've never seen them fail in a big moment. I've never seen them on. The biggest stage choke frees up against the Dallas. I've Seen Lebron James that two thousand eleven lose opening Dallas. We never quit as well. Radio intercepts isn't touchdowns last year. One to read y'All Danes quit against the Boston Celtics thereby knows it. And he choked against the Dallas Mavericks Radio for Life. You can be with the Tar Errington. TJ WHO's Mazzotta Bat. Let's move to Antonio Brown who keeps getting himself into more and more trouble just a week after posting. A video of himself berating. The police and the mother of his children for the unemployed wide receiver is now a suspect in a battery case Brown and his trainer allegedly battered the driver of a moving trump who had delivered some of AP's belongings to his home. The trainer has already been arrested. AB allegedly is holed up in his house. Like Tony Montana Tanna into scarface. No no not any calls Not Enough secured we think any NFL team at this point still has interest in aby absolutely I think all of these issues as sensational as they are how they row up the fan bases and makes makes everybody say no way they'd be going to be in the league all these issues you put in one bucket and that bucket has a hole in it because all this goes away if ab does us two things before a team can show interest one he gets clinical help. And that is actually publicized. Everyone knows ABC's under therapy to. Oh he does a social media clans. Because you're not gonNA take away his ability to get him on board born in two thousand every day you gotta give them a social media anymore and once you give him that a team is going to sit there and say look in the eye of the storm. It looked impossible support for him to get an opportunity. But this too shall pass so right now is not the moment to measure. This is all a B to do those things and he will be in a league. Teams will have interest. They won't act on that. Interest is self destruct and he sabotage in himself and that when I read this. I don't know if this is just him. I played with Glenn Hope Glenn Holt like was my homie. We play together in Cincinnati. He went on to coach Kentucky and I don't know if this is him or not what. He so mild-mannered. I know he grew up in Miami. I'm hoping with him being around. Maybe he could talk syncing but will it teams show interest. They'll show interest. There's no way they're going to act on that interest because of the way he's conducted himself since he's been out of league he keeps sabotaging himself himself putting things on social media in now. This is like when you think it's over. It's okay that can't can't get any. Oh is something else And Dan whether the help is going to help him. You just can't chance this as a team and say we're going to bring him in because a fitting implodes all all the warning signs were there Glenn whole by the way is the trainer who's been arrested but work with a B former teammate of. TJ's we think. And I agree. I think there will be continued attended interest and paying attention to Ab and what his possible trajectory could be at this moment. It's interesting a name that came to the mind for me was Lawrence Phillips. If you know Lawrenceville greatest tailbacks to play went to Nebraska got drafted within the two years that he was with with the rams he spent twenty three days total in jail. I still went to another team. All right Continued to get into into trouble. Still made it on to another day and age. It is a different if it is a different day hall of famer either with that being well with that being said that doesn't mean it'd be in a different Dan as that the brain trust of these. These teams are thinking the way. Social Media's thinking they're still thinking in the ways that author thinking as a franchise I'm GonNa say why the different day and age is a hell of a point but we also have to remember as much as we as I criticize A. B. I I WANNA be fair. Lawrence Phillips was domestic violence nearly killed Raymond in college. And it's on a whole different level a US and so I get the analogy. I think it's an appropriate John because although that's the extreme the extreme levels where we with an ABC behaviors like wow. He's going to hurt himself or hurt someone and now we have a moving truck guy who's been hurt by a bee and violence violence and when you're in this spiral that he's in man woman or child can get it and AB is out of control. And I think I think that there's thirty two NFL teams. I think thirty to thirty one of them have put him on. No no flies L.. Contact lists no contract. He's done he's maybe. There is one team. I don't know who it is but I think for the over over overwhelming majority teams and is for the reason. TJ said is because he may go get help he may do a social media cleanse. But I think most teams seems like. He's a ticking time bomb. Football doesn't have that heart no matter what age culture we're living in football still has a laser focus on ability. That's why we talked about about other people getting second third fourth chances with worse indiscretions than ab Ab is a lot of accusations and a lot of craziness. which can all be fixed if you package package it? And someone who's been rehabilitated. And comes out shows you a different way. So does he have more catches than issues. Yes does he have more touchdowns two issues yes taller I disagree okay. Let's hear no no again. I can't list you. A laundry. List of issues are so severe. They trump the catches. Shes a y'all know his issues are but how they're being demonstrated you clown and craft. You got it to issue holed up in your house right now now avoiding the police that is. That's some buzzsaw behavioral out is is. It's if they really want if it was really going and they don't have a no no no I I based on what I read. It's like this is a high profile profile individual who the WHO who the police no is unstable. I WanNa make this comparison but yet when someone holes themselves goes up in their house and avoid the police very dangerous person and so do you force your way in and set off more dangerous. Just thank of all the news stories. Where Ma'am No? That's that means. He knows his rights. And he's like if you want me you come get me. 'cause you have the right to come get me the reason you're not you took away. You took away my boy. You took him away because you have something no him. You have nothing you may be trying to investigate to further your calls but in this moment. ABC's just sitting there rightfully as a homeowner sin. If you arrest me not to go back onto the football all for one second law. Yeah again if we go look into the history. There's been a lot of people standing ending on that right. I'm in my home. You can't come get me. I've done nothing wrong and major news stories documentaries about how those things have spilled out of control. Oh I would imagine I don't want I would imagine. ABC's a gun owner. There's a lot of reasons for the police to be careful. How how they approach someone who is comes off this unstable caution here particularly how profile E is caution? Here's the better part. The police force has just just discontinued. Their connection with him. Last week is now sitting there and say oh we're GONNA go come in here. Ab He did those very reasons because again the potential central lawsuit you went overboard with Ab. Because you don't like him you just distance yourself from because you don't like him. There's a lot of reasons for the police to be He. He's holed up in his house. He can't hurt anybody he got to come out of all before lawsuit law comes before lawsuit and you need to do the law and do what you're supposed to enforce. I don't think they just can't afford. You're supposed to to other things that I think could help him get back into the League one. We didn't bring up. He could go to the NFL and show that he can manages his expectations in that words. Where Zero Saint Joe Girardi goes possible like this? XFL This is a possibility for him to prue. Get another the opportunity. The second would be to do a negotiation where it's based upon your performance and and your new take a minimum deal easily. I didn't speak for yourself. We'll be live in Lummus Park on southbound starting next Monday as we get ready for super bowl fifty four audience chicken starts at two PM so come out and catch the fun. We have some big name guest. It's already booked including steelers linebacker. David Bush cowboys legend. Jason witten friend of the show. Frank Kellyanne all right. TJ WHO's been Zodda in Steve. Berlin are back. Let's move to the Miami. Dolphins who are well positioned for this year's draft with three first round picks including number five overall but reportedly the guy they really want is Lsu quarterback Joe Borough who is likely headed to Cincinnati number one overall but Miami's bounty picks could put them in position to make a serious. He's run at moving up to the number. One spot are the question is should the dolphins give up their first three picks. There are three first round picks. Thanks for Joel Borough absolutely not too much Is Joe Brady coming with him is a real conversation. And I say that just because I don't hear a lot of people posadas and if I have to beat up a prospect I have to look at the pros and cons. Who was Joe Borough before Joe Brady last year in terms of success service not the same and there's a conversation let's start it? Could that be a one. Hit wonder in terms of production. We know not in terms of talent he is he is is but in terms of getting that talent out. Sometimes it's about the matching styles make fights so I don't know if he's going to go to a situation and have that type of success that warrants in justifies a five three first rounders for me too pricey. I like Joe Borough a lot I really love I love him I like him more than I like. Sam Bradford I like him more than Baker Mayfield. Oh a well. What I'm saying is that I feel about it? I wasn't confident about those guys. I'm confident about borough and two to has got the question marks about the injury situation all that but I agree with what you're saying. No three first round draft pick. That's too much now. If you're talking about five eighteen may be given them that second round pick or maybe the first round pick from twenty twenty one they got from the Houston Texans that I would think about but three first round picks this year. Sure that that team needs a little bit more first round draft choice material in that lineup. So I think they can't get everywhere you go. What makes you love? Joe Borough what qualities I think. He's got all you look at number you look at number one. The seventy six percent completion percentage the fact that he can make all of the throws the fact that he is very mobile much more mobile than most people give him credit for you saw in that national championship game. A couple of really nice ruins and extending plays. I think he can do everything. I also liked the fact that he can can sit in the pocket and pick you apart he can. He can break your back inside the pocket. He's good enough mobilize get outside the pocket and extend plays he can make all the throws and also like his confidence. He's got a streak tool if he is that. Give up whatever you have to give up if you think that highly album you give it up the fifth pick to eighteenth pick in the twenty six you give that up. The draft is inexact science. You might think oh the eighteenth eighteenth pig can be turned into this player. He might not be to twenty-six pick which is late in the first round. If Joe Borough was that guy you give up whatever every you have to get him if you believe that much in them because you can be that quarterback away from turned the franchise around who are these two picks picks gonNA be. You know. I'm a believer in Joe Borough just like you are i. Don't I believe if they offered to mingles four first round picks they would still still say no. I don't believe they'll take that in. But if I'm the Dolphin up whatever I can I think they might bingles. Might because again the fifth pick. You can get a quarterback Jason. My allergy was this and I was like I'm GonNa say this and my wife going slapped me when I get home amount premeditate if you go out and you see three beautiful women we talking Joe Borough to ingest in Herbert They all all the good. You might want Joe Borough cool with other Holler at all. I was still draft at number five. That's what I'm saying. That's why I'm saying they could take. They don't drink they will. Don't slap me when I get home. Look and and I agree with Tj if your scouting report on Joe Borough is correct. And if that's what Miami has evaluate this is the can't miss guy at the quarterback quarterback position. Why wouldn't give up three pig really only given up two? Why wouldn't you for the guy that you've you can sleep at night? I know. No I got my quarterback. I know I got a prospect. That won't miss when you get to eighteen and twenty six. You don't feel that level of confidence about the guys as you're drafting. No I'm with you but now hypothetically if they did not have that third first round pick in the best they could do would be to offer two first round picks and in a second round pick dish or you bengals you get the choice a second round pick this year or a first round pick next year you're still getting three. Really high picks picks. You're not getting that third first round. Pick in the only reason they would be pushing for that if they're smart if the bengals are smart is because they're you know they have the draft capital. You you take as much as you. It's no discounts here at all. I want the number one pick you have to pay for it or Sonoko dice. My mind is is something so pricey like in our real world. I'm shopping with the wife wherever it has to be perfectly. I can't beat it up in any respect and there is a reason to Paul's when it looks at Joe Borough the film is always on. And let's not edit out the junior year and fifty seven percentage completion percentage like and then he went to Joe o'brady and seventy-six. Like which one do you believe in you could say I have reasonable doubt. You have no doubt but no one's saying that's perfect. There's a reason to junior year when you when when you don't play a game that's meaningful for three years. When you first get back out there? He played since high school. That's GonNa be the case. You KINDA got to get your eyes up to the speed of the game star filling a rust. That's GonNa Happen now. Is that the perfect purse. Asked my wife you know how much of the prices taking me out of this conversation. Not The talent not last year's production just the price makes me beat up his resume. So now what you said it though. If the dolphins can't step close that deal what do you think. Joe Braid is going to say what the Carolina Panthers sit in number seven with their situation. It'd be too too pricey. They ars woke up. The they're gonNA give what they can give. Yeah but but the question is with the panthers. Is that one of the reasons. Maybe Joe Brady is in Carolina. Yeah I certainly think it is. I think Carolina Outta wants him. I think the Carolina in Miami are going to be in a competition to try to get him. If I'm Joe Borough again and I said this earlier Steve earlier in the week I don't WanNa play in Cincinnati and I've been very Cincinnati. Yes right I would and so I would force them to train me and again. Cincinnati originally report from Adam Schefter. I think that they won't consider trading and then Cincinnati executive came out and said No. That's not true. We haven't evaluated we're going to do. I think the guys on the market and I the the knockout would have only marcellus. There's a stat about number of starts in college predict future success. He hasn't had the pre three years ago already. Thirty six to forty starts like some of the other got. That would be my uncle. Jimmy's here to help us talk about our approval ratings for Kansas basketball coach. Bill Self you use your day big today go to the person that set up and tried to blame my nephew for them. Busting out them. Little Tight Asu. You need to stop whatever the case Dan Worse than a grown man wearing clothes. That don't fitting anywhere the GO-TO let's Talk Bill. Self Hawks got into an ugly brawl last night against Kansas State. Self is in seventeen season at Kansas when he won national so title and going to three final fours in that time. Marcellus as self actually underachieved at Kansas is a slight that lands somewhere with me in terms of you. Think of this blood program and you're saying seventeen years only one But that said one still gets you into the threshold of you've done on your job especially with three final fours but I know expectations are absurd out there so they would probably feel Morton conference titles he is not underachieve. This is a crazy crazy question. I shouldn't ask about all you care about. Average terrorists are Jimmy Sir. You're from Kansas. You were from the dot hat most definitely have any thoughts on Bill Look Splendid Yamanashi Gel following media. Bill Self. Is the Bill Bella Chick of the NCAA. The bill billotte set okay. So in other words this ain't his first brush with the law. The couple of days here say bill self ain't no stranger to investigation so let's ask them. I talked to last night. Hi Bill You know them folks is going to be real upset at you about what happened. Last night appeals cope each man. I'm GONNA feel turned into Tony Montana. Tanna didn't like that. Take a couple of quick look me in the morning. No harm no foul Yemi probably right. No harm no foul I think about this is really much to do about nothing. The fight look commanders. Just goes to show what happens when you go from sitter push fit real quick when I told you for Kansas City okay. I don't live longer than you live there so long. I'm beyond Blueblood what they call a dark blue blood her blood you know. Look I'm just trying to take me to the point that I know the difference between chicken salad and chicken speak. Ah even though they both come from chicken and let me tell you. That's how I know how this program we're you know this another Edinburgh robbery and this is how we doing. Kim See you know if this chiefs radars writers. If it's the royals cardinals you know Keiser will pass. Banks matters rivalry as a war. You understand that we do. You have a point I mean for real okay and by the way I do I have a point. You Damn Right. You're trying to act like your boy Roy. Williams ain't ain't got no issue. Here's a little fun fact. Philosophy is Roy. Williams Roy Williams the one that brought listen to indicate you know they still called it the Louisiana purchase that is true that is what they call the Leicester over Krugman. Hey man this as a tough group art tomato around mid West News. If you ain't cheating you amy that's why you had to get out. Let me get to my bill self rating okay. Heavy remarry seventy five all star twenty two job performance nineteen all time greatness. Eighteen character and authenticity. I won't I love bill but you know up top so the authenticity. Yeah exactly what. I found out that the governor is helping them save on taxes. Oh not the most authentic man I feel alright the Oh my God. The Internet has a dumpster. Fire a little hard on a guy with fourteen conference titles.

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01/12: Rush to judgement? Who is the best team in college basketball: Gonzaga, Duke or Baylor

"And I'm Gary Perish dead-leg Matt norlander second bears hair. It's scary pairs at Sunday January. Twenty Two thousand twenty welcome back to the CBS sports eye on college basketball. podcast where we sometimes discuss Campbell fighting a leak black Matt norlander is here with me and I want to start with the question that dominated twitter this weekend after Baylor Aka Terry teagle monitor with Keynes's recorded its first ever win inside inside Allen fieldhouse that question this which teams should be ranked number one by humans right now in my opinion and I think norlander agrees. A reasonable case can be may for for three schools. Gonzaga do Baylor now. If you want to argue in favor of the undefeated teams Auburn San Diego State. I suppose you can. undefeated in January is undefeated defeated in January. But for the most part the argument seems to be between Gonzaga Baylor and Duke and from my perspective. There is no obviously right answer. You can't I think reasonably reasonably ranked Gonzaga Duke in any order norlander. I know you wrote about it Saturday night. I re tweeted so folks can find it on either of our twitter feeds. Where are you on the topic? which team should be ranked number one right now you are? You're so adorable. Do you know that you're a cutie pie. Why do you say the last podcast? You may recall how it began. I do. I'M NOT GONNA play it all back. I mean it just happened. It's not like the WOFFORD callback. That was months in between. Were just a mere days in between but you got all All huffy puffy got huffy puffy. You brought the huff and puff to me. Okay what did I have. What did I what? Where did I have Baylor I did I have the Kansas? I know yet kids to seven. That seemed to be the seem to be talking point but I had them below Baylor and and you seem to have. You had a little issue with that didn't you. I didn't think it was proper at the time as you know. Because you're not a dummy so I know you know so anything that happens after rankings are published has no impact whatsoever on whether those rankings made since at the time. Okay so I understand that. But how many times are we going to go cheek to cheek with this tango. How many times are you going to call me out on something only to be wrong? Like is this what you want the podcast to be who you give me other regarding you going to apologize to these men and I named them now. FA Yudo Manny Lecompte. Michael Williams Curtis Tyrrell's David Wesley Taurean Prince. I`Ma keep going Andre Branch laced Darius Done Harvey Thomas Brian. Skinner Rico gathers authors Wendell Green Leaf. You're familiar with Mr Greenleaf. Aren't you course Jonathan Motley Candy Cherry Isaiah Austin Tweety Carter Brady heslop Perry Jones Quincy Miller Quincy. AC and Terry teagle would. Do you like to apologize to all of those men and to Baylor Nation for doubting me for doubting them for Baylor having arguably arguably its biggest win in program history. Okay I first off. I do not find it necessary to apologize to Baylor because my argument about canes had literally nothing to do with Baylor it was all about Kansas having six teams in front of it on last Thursday. So that's it's worth that was. I always had a high opinion of Baylor. And I feel like I'm I've looked mason. Jared Butler Mark Vitel. Mary Oh caglar. Can I keep going. I thank Dang Roy so Neil Lester Medford Al Freeman I I feel like a quote Unquote National College basketball reporters. I'm the biggest Baylor cheerleader. In among us yes I am the first one who stood up. It's popular to do now and say Hey Scott grew pretty great. Everybody does it now but who was the first to write the column that said You people out there. Making Scott drew jokes or out of your mind. This guy is a consistent winner at a school where you're not supposed is to be a consistent consistent winter I was and I don't know if you remember this but I can. I can remember being in the neonatal intensive care unit when my youngest boy was born. And I'm rankin basketball teams sitting next to an incubator by the way that's true. They understand that you like you and most normal people take paternity leave and I'm ranking ranking basketball teams next to an incubator in a knick you and I may Baylor number one once upon a time back in the top twenty five live and one and then made the case of why voters should do it and if we can agree that weekend and week out I have an. Ap I have an impact on the AP poll the top twenty five and one does with working in connection with the politics subsequently moved to number one in the AP poll. I believe for the first time in history and obviously credit goes to Scott drew into those players but I feel like I played a role in it as well. I'm the biggest. I'm I'm wearing a baylor. cheerleading outfit right. Now in fact I have one I would put it on Star Gel love. Aj Wolton Perry Jones Cory Jefferson Person. Aaron Bruce All right so we continue move on here. Listen I get all that I have a little fun with you and I know some some folks on the tweet machine. We're giving you a little bit a little grief as well but listen just a little fun back and forth here as we start. Hey let's let's get to the conversation of who should be number one because it's actually pretty interesting but let's for Baylor. Listen your first win at at fog Allen ever you get your first win on the road against a top five team in program history. You didn't own twenty four leading into that your first win against the top five team as a top five team and you now have started the season with five wins against quad one teams and that doubles as we sit here on Sunday. Night is five wins against currently ranked opponents from resume perspective. Right now I think Baylor indisputably has the best resume in college basketball and with that. If you want to slop Baylor number one zero zero issue with with Baylor Duke or Gonzaga but I did a Kind of a quick primer case. File Saturday night about each of these teams I think can make a compelling case for all of them. I even think if you really wanted to make a case for San Diego you stay and though it's not as good even one for Butler it's only lost his at Baylor and since they're both one loss teams I think Baylor just has had the trump card at this point though Butler does have a very good resume. May and I in fact would have Butler as one-seat just a matter of how you're going to assemble your case. Are you going to rank teams based off of how you'd bracket and see them if that's the case then Baylor should be your number one and I prefer to take a little bit of Kalemie and a little bit of column B. and that's have you should use. You can and should use the results that we have but also realized that predictive predictive metrics we've known this for so long now and now it's part of the everyday expectation of college basketball they have value and those metrics can help sort sort teams and it's basically what Paris which almost everyone does whether they realize it consciously or not because it's for example. It's why say like a team like liberty you even though it's got an eighteen in one record isn't really in anyone's top twenty five at this point so little column and not even not even like not even on the radar when I looking at teams seems like Saturday nights last Sunday morning when I know I'm taking a team out I guess it was Penn State and I'm looking for other schools to go in like I look at fifteen schools. I don't I never even looked at liberty right which is which is totally completely reasonable. So I'm just otherwise because if you only look at results results only you're just relying on stuff on paper or on a screen and that can almost get you back into corners here. So that's why to me Duke. Feels like the best case for number one as of today strongly strongly rates as the best team of college basketball in most predictive metrics and has plenty on the resume to support its case that the margin. GP They are slim. And as as I said. Butler Baylor Gonzaga. Both have a case here. If we're GONNA have a real conversation we both know that when the poll renews on Monday Gonzaga is going to hold onto that number one spot voter behavior over decades as indicated that and I don't really have a huge issue at all I did read your top twenty one from Sunday in your reasoning is completely fair by the way because Washington get punished for its league affiliation. I get that if I was ranking I would trying assemble some combination of resume and who I think. The best team is for me. That's Duke but Baylor good good on you. Amazing starts so far. I'll have more on you and Scott drew and all that stuff on the site later this week and It is a compelling fun discussion right here in the now I agree. Taylor's got the best wins at this point and by extension. I think the best resume thirteen and one twelve game winning streak. Five wins over top fifty Kim bummed teams all five actually over top twenty five teams to those winds or road wins five annot inquirer at one opportunity six in one in Q.. One on slash q two opportunities alone loss to Washington on a neutral court and it was way back on November eight. So that's super strong and I promise you anybody who has Baylor number one on the ballot. Monday will not be at risk of of being the victim of politics column assuming that I write it in the ballots outlets are released on top. Totally sensible TAB Baylor number one for the reason do you state it also totally sensible to have duke number number one Sort of my bottom line. All this is that Gins Aga- Baylor Duke should be one two three in some order and you can probably do it reasonably in any order. But the reason I kept Gonzaga number one in the top twenty five and one on Sunday morning even though I knew it would get some backlash because like I mentioned at the top there was a strong on push on social media. Like Baylor just did this. Baylor's resume looks like this Baylor should be number one. The popular thing right now is not to have Gonzaga number number one but to remove Gonzaga from the top spot. And I'm not saying I would never do it. I don't want back myself into a corner but I don't oh I wouldn't like to do it and I don't think I'll do it. Dropped Gonzaga from number one without losing because to do that is to essentially punish them for for being a member of the West Coast Conference which obviously is not their fault. They play who they play in the League when the League tells them to play it. And all you can do is if you're mark few is schedule as aggressively as you can schedule in the Non League and then play your league schedule. And so what did he do. He agreed to be in the battlefield. Lantis that's an that had Michigan Oregon North Carolina and Seton Hall in scheduled Rogue Games in Arizona and Washington schedule a home game with North Carolina. Team that was preseason top ten now that wind doesn't look like anything right now. It doesn't help them. But but when you schedule it you think you're having in a game against North Carolina which is year in your out one of the best teams in the country so he scheduled as aggressively As you can reasonably ask him to schedule in the Non League and when all of those games were done and we were looking at everything that had been done to that point most host humans said Gonzaga should be ranked number one in the country. And what's happened since then. Nothing but wins. They're on a ten game winning streak They have won their four. W Games by an average of twenty one point eight point so it's not like they're limping through or they had to go to overtime. They are mostly. They've mostly been overwhelming to inferior opposition. And I promise you you can you know mark. You could text in tonight. I bet you would love to have just played games against Texas Tech and Kansas. This past week. He'd like to have his team challenge more in January February and March but you can only play the WTC WBZ schedule when you're a WCC member and that's why to Drop Gonzaga at this point in my opinion would be to assume it isn't what what we thought. It was three weeks ago and to assume it couldn't do what these other power conference schools are doing. If given the opportunity so I elected to just keep Gonzaga Nemo Wii so quick note. Just if you're GonNa do that though and we did mention liberty. I think you should be fair to the flames. I if they get a couple more to the next around the road and just just as an example like don't hold it against liberty for its conference as well because it doesn't have a great non conference schedule it does have ten. Total neutral and road wins at this this point and it doesn't have little control over that so eighteen in one only loss at LSU defeated Vanderbilt defeated Akron which is a top up. Seventy Five Ken Palm Win. So I would say if you're going to do that's fine. But if we look up three or four games here and liberties at twenty one and one or twenty two and one I would think if you were going to be consistent with that you should remain fair and and consider ranking them particular because their team. That's a top fifty Ken palm team at this point in the twenty four th in the net. So that's that's the only thing that I would throw it. You're there it's fair. I mean listen when I say they not even on my radar. I don't mean I don't know what the record is and I don't know what the uh-huh Quad one record is to record is. I just mean that. They weren't under consideration on Sunday morning. Their computer numbers are not as strong as Gonzaga's their error nonleague. A wins are not nearly as strong as Gonzaga's they're not going to be able to get Goodwin's within their league but sure like the the record is the record. That team is playing. Well it has climbed in the computers even without signature. Victories I just I guess I'd say this you're you're exactly right. I Hold Liberty Gonzaga to the same standard but I don't think liberty and Gonzaga or in the same conversation right now for sure. Okay all right so so I would go right now. I'd go duke one Baylor to Gonzaga three and then if I was to expand out because actually you know I'd go I I think I'd go. Sds you four and then Butler five. You're good with me having like Kansas Seventh. Now I presume eighth is that I almost dropped. Keynes's needs is to seven just to have them at seven and he's done everything we talked about last week because I was so disturbed by you having them seven but then when I drop Let let me call it up. Real quick I WANNA make it exactly right. When I dropped him to seven I had him seven just ahead of Butler and I was like you know what maybe I should have Butler ahead okay? That's because you have to. Yeah Butler went to Baylor and play them tight in. Kansas got smoked by Baylor inside Allen. fieldhouse I was like yeah. I think I think butlers Kansas as well so I've got my top eight right. Now are Gonzaga Baylor Duke Auburn Oregon San Diego State Butler and then Kansas at number eight. All right I also want to give a quick shout here our listeners you guys and gals are terrific and the podcast is going a to a new level parish brought him. I actually saw this when I sent it late Saturday night so I saw it after I woke up in the morning. So this is this. Is Willie Molina on instagram. He's got a message for you and me here. We go this sister dead on Gary Perish and dead-leg Matt Norlander Sick and bears uh-huh to you. Willie terrific. I laughed so hard when I saw that the first time. I got a good chuckle this morning as well all dead arm Gary Perish. dead-leg met. Oh how about this as we'll move on a second year by the way I'm on good old the wizard of Oz. Kenny White. It might even be listening to this right now so I go on. CBS Sports Hq Saturday morning on sportsline where we make a bunch of predictions against the spread and all that good stuff and and Kenny white the wizard of Oz. Who Was Bryce Harper is high school baseball coach? Making a pick. Is that true by the way. Yeah yeah well yes someone someone told it to me Like last like last March or April when I was When we were doing stuff and they're like yeah? Kenny White Coach Bryce Harper in high school. It was the most random thing ever. It's like Ben Incredible. Actually I saw Bryce Harper at the CBS. Sports Classic. I know we. We've we've gone over this anyway. The point is this so I make my pick. I don't know what I well obviously pillow to cover. So let's say it was after Baylor and Kenny white goes and this is this is unprompted and obviously obviously like I'm done talking so now it's his second here and he goes. Yeah I'm going to have to agree with dead-leg norlander there and I'm like my watch. Are we doing what. And then he went on to explain that because the previous week I'd made a couple of picks against the spread widely disagree and I was like all right. You just wait and see and they will. They wanted to of course be incorrect. And so then he was like you were right on this picks I had to give you guys podcast. Listen dead arm Pairs dead-leg norlander you guys are right on top of it like okay okay. This is extending outside the podcast universe. Kenny white if you are listening again indeed to this podcast appreciate being on. HQ With you always but yes huge weekend weekend for Baylor a big weekend for a couple of teams but Paler obviously the biggest winner. In fact I'll put a little bow on this here. I saw Kevin Powell. Oh go who is the brains behind. KPI which is one of the metrics selection committee uses on its team. She says reference. He said that Baylor's win at Kansas in his system was the most impressive strongest win of any team at any point this season period so it raises the best win in all of college basketball for this point. That's even above say Stephen F. Austin winning at Duke Evansville winning at Kentucky so good on you be you sitting pretty and Yet gotta be considered the favorites in the big twelve right here right now. Yeah I mean that's the other thing not only did they. Just get their first win. Ever inside Allen fieldhouse there now at least on the path in a good spot to to win the first ever big twelve regular season title. They've never done that and they've never won a big ten a big twelve tournament title either. So like everything's on the table. You Know Scott Scott a super high level team and I think it's been since one thousand nine hundred fifty since Baylor was in the final four. I mean even Terry teagle great as he was could not get Baylor to the final four. But but it's possible this team could get there. There's certainly good enough to get there and I would say one last thing before we move on and it's something you said last week and then I repeated on television. I hope you didn't mind me. We're doing that but we have all these conversations throughout the season about. WHO's really the best team? Is there a great team and now here we are again. The truth is Duke. If Trade Jones hits a runner instead of turns it over in the final seconds overtime against Stephen F. Austin Duke would be sixteen and a number one and all the computers have wins over Kansas Michigan. State they would be the unanimous number one with the obvious national player of the year and we would be talking talking about Duke. As if it's this this great team under any circumstances and because of one possession nearly one possession. We now talk like nobody's good and I do think that's worth pointing out that Duke. Is that close to being what most of US would consider a great team. I would agree with you. And it's why why I would put duke number one right now because the loss counts and they were in a close game to begin with Stephen F. Austin but if you're going to come down to the difference between one and not a made shot And free kind of the plate self that once. Even if Austin is just an awesome all-time play but it was a little bit of a freakish play That's why I land where I land a Baylor wasn't the only good record recorded his story win this weekend. Clinton also did it. We're going to get into that next but first check this out golf. All seasons kicking back into high gear and the first podcast. has you covered join mark. Element Rick Gaming Gray. Do Sharma myself kyle porter as we go inside the ropes from the major tournaments and beyond. 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It's just funny to read this one in fifty nine all time at North Carolina and what was better than Clinton coach. Brad Burnell screaming. It's over. It's over cool moment. I saw your tweet which was perfect but just Listen Roy obviously took it hard outdoor those North Carolina players are struggling but but nice moment for Clemson. Nice moment for those players in that program. Yeah it was certainly I mean Cathartic for for Brad. Brownell my tweet was is. This is how I feel when I get down by eight o'clock because it does it and people who don't have Yankee don't get up at like Oh my God I have no idea like you listen you oh you love you love your children. I Love my children. We wouldn't trade them for anything or trade are circumstances for anything I think but you have no idea how great it feels when your kids fall asleep when they fall asleep early. It's like it's like I. I did of radio every day I come home and I look forward to see my children hanging out and play games and we we just just we. We have father son son moments all night long but in the rare time that I call my wife on the drive home and I'm like so whatever new up to and she's like Oh. They both fell asleep in the cars. Ars I just put them in bed. I'm like man this is going to rate and it's great only because it's like what most normal people get to enjoy. It's like I get to come home and I don't I don't play Mario Kart all night. I come home and I don't have to color. I can just like act like a normal adult and doing normal adult adult things like. It's an amazing using thing. That's correct yes. There's a there's a lot of a lot of truth to what you're saying there but no listen. I is Tesla moment in the in the limelight for Clemson here. Getting the win weirdly. I mean Baylor and Clemson collectively go in to the weekend having never won at North Carolina and having I never won at Kansas a combined seventy six and they come out to anno- sports or just their freaky sometimes when when things happen like that And you you know for Carolina. It's a it's a it's another another low head I get all that. They're still trying to get through these mystic rhythms of their season. It's it's bad for UNC. We've talked about it a lot. We saw distant early warning of this once. Cole Anthony went down but I don't think we need to get too much into that Violets this is going to win again. Winning vital signs are obviously showing for the tar heels. They never what they never win again. They're going going to. I've got to believe that they're gonNA win at such or they've got they've got more than a ghost of a chance of winning again this season I believe personally but but here's the other thing by the way I didn't starting to admit this but I didn't see one second of the game and I'm like I'm angry like a completely illogical human being at this because first of all Carolina was going to win this. I mean it was up by like ten with the two minutes to go or something like that. I mean it was such a far cry for Clemson to even consider thinking he could win that game. And then you just break after break bigshot turnovers and it just it collapses late they go into overtime but because the game was on ACC network. How about this I get? ESPN plus and it was blacked out in my own area like I had I had GP PAC twelve network moment. Over the weekend. where I could not? I couldn't watch the game. I wanted to watch it but I couldn't watch it so congrats to To Clemson for getting the win I mean for Brown like honestly like it's a rough season you're going through. ACC down this is obviously just a pig. Big Big time win here. It's more than just one little victory for Clemson itself but but But Yeah I to me. It was the bigger story was clemson actually doing in this season. Like if it was ever GonNa Happen. This was when it was going to happen. I was just annoyed that I was incapable of watching watching the game. I guess unless you were somehow regional to it or had the best cable package imaginable. You also were incapable of watching. Did you even get to see any of it. I did not see any of it. And the reason is I was on sideline at Marquette Seton Hall at the Prudential Center and check. I think I think my game started earlier than that game but that game was started during my game and then after the game. If I'm being honest I want to dinosaur barbecue. There you go with the dinosaur barbecue right outside the Prudential Center Table One and had dinner among Seton Hall and Marquette Fans and then followed it on twitter. I remember yeah I think I remember seeing it while I was at dinner. That clemson had one. And you're exactly right. They were up. North Carolina was up ten with one fifty six to play. It's hardly diplo's I mean that's that's almost like Memphis. I mean it's worse than Memphis. Kansas Memphis Kansas. Two thousand a title title game was up nine less than two to play. This was up ten less than two to play again. You can play that game fifty times in North Carolina or anybody probably doesn't blow that but yeah they blew it. They didn't foul up three late. And I think that was Roy's main talking point after the game. I wonder if he minute it this way. I'm not questioning sincerity. But like he'd been hard on those players earlier in the week said they were the least gifted team he's ever coached North Carolina and then in this post game name. He said that he led his players down. He said he didn't tell them to fill up three. And you know as a coach. You're supposed to help your players win. And he said he didn't think he helped us players and and then he went on to say that if he dies tomorrow if he dies tomorrow or twenty years from now this will be the biggest regretting coaching not ever had not putting his players in a position to win that game and regulations I'm not looking for Roy to exit stage left and tomorrow or anytime soon. That was with each passing game. Roy's quotes are getting honestly uh-huh they're getting more depressing and I understand that because he takes this stuff really hard. But he's gotTa just he knows the roster and lack of talent he has overall respected to previous teams all that and you know. UNC didn't display a lot of grace under pressure. I get that against Clemson. But they're just I mean overall the SEC's we're going to talk about the big ten a little bit like this is almost the exact opposite of the big in terms of strength this season. I think it's GONNA struggle to get four teams in the tournament. Virginia like we were both all in on Virginia wapping Syracuse. The signals were there and we were quite wrong. Syracuse Syracuse scored twenty points a five minute overtime after failing to get to twenty points in like twenty minutes of of gay time it was two different hemispheres. If you will between overtime in the in the second half of the game so bizarre. But by the way I was at all in Virginia wapping Syracuse. I thought Virginia was going to beat Syracuse. That's thirty one. Thirty one to ten did not did not quite Did Not quite happen like that. I don't even understand any of this stuff. How many more and I had some people on on twitter point out? Virginia lost the three players early. Took me like I know I do not think I know what for dinner lost you still. You should still be better offensively than what Virginia is and I say. See that with the most amount of respect for Tony Bennett. And he's an amazing basketball coach. Like literally one of the best in the world it is just baffling that. They cannot score better than they score. And I don't mean just like point. Total it's not just. The point totals have our annually smaller than then what we consider other great point totals for great teams because they play at such a slow pace but the offensive efficiency. Numbers are there two hundred and twenty ninth in the country. I mean I don't even know if there's a way to look this up but has a team ever gone from winning a national championship. Two Two hundred and twenty ninth in the country and efficiency the next season it seems pretty seemingly unlikely because even if you're in a power conference in you're bad you're still going to you you. I just have a fly by not up operation to not even be like top one seventy five so no. I don't think it's ever happened like like what is the next worst I in the ACC. Boston college is worse. So those poor those poor guys. Hey but like I guess one ninety five Georgia tech one fifty nine Clemson. So they're not even the worst in the ACC. Still or the or the. But but still I mean there there. They won the national championship and the year after winning it to twenty nine in the country and offensive vision. See that's pretty rough number. You WanNa move onto the victim. Oh Yeah I do. You're fired up. I'm GonNa have some fun with this. Yeah let's let's move on to the big ten here. Where do you WanNa go with their? So I'm just you know. I'm not sure how closely people have been following the big ten outside of big fans but the standings are as weird as it gets. Michigan State is alone in I even though the Spartans just lost by twenty nine points at purdue on Sunday afternoon that was on. CBS Sports America's most watched network network stars Ohio State. It has gone from number on it. Kim Palm two one and four in the big ten tied for last but still seventh at Kim Palm ruckers tied for third. So that's wild and then Michigan the only team that beat number one Gonzaga is tied for ninth. There are twelve top thirty five Kim bum teams in the big ten right now. Twelve teams between fifth and Thirty Finn and Jerry Palm has nine of them going to the incidentally tournament at this moment. He's he's got Wisconsin just on the wrong side of the bubble so this is a great league but be a league. That seems wildly unpredictable predictable at this point. It's like it's not like twilight zone or anything like that. But it's just weird to see what the big ten is become okay. So first of all Purdue just destroys Michigan State Michigan state looked just lackluster at the start of the a game and produced a lot of big shots. Big moms didn't have an amazing shooting game but trivial Williams after he goes for thirty six and twenty in overtime effort loss against Michigan. Let's say against Michigan. Excuse me at Michigan. Few days before it comes back has another strong game there and so when purdue was winning like this I thought you know what maybe for the pod on Sunday Sunday night perish and I will try and I want us to guess right now how we think the league will wind up when they get to the scene of the big ten tournament. Okay so obviously. A lot of these teams are GONNA wind up with the same record in the leaks. That's going to be unavoidable. But so we're going to just essentially try and predict one fourteen in the big ten because I sat down to do this and I was. I was second second guessing myself. Four teams in I was lost in the trees. GP So let's go. Let's go Yumi. Yumi you me and just see how different it gets and how quickly so. So who's your one thing to your point. I didn't get too confused at the top. I felt okay there but like when you get to the middle you could reasonably have a any team fit or twelve. Yeah I mean that might be I got I got. I got twisted by team three. Okay so let's start. I've got Michigan state finishing for obviously Michigan State. So we're each one one all right to. I've got meryl in me too okay. Three actually have Michigan. Okay okay I have perdue tone ask you why what is pretty tenant. Seven didn't seven over all three and three in the big ten seventeenth at Kim Tom. They've got four top fifty. Kim Palm Wins Michigan State Minnesota Virginia. VCU But they've also lost in Nebraska. That's correct so like I don't even know what they're doing. Okay but this'll this'll hammer home. The point I made okay. So you've got purdue third I've got pretty nice okay. This is what exactly Ackley one wanted to happen. You've got an addition third. I've Got Michigan V. Who Do you have fourth Ohio state? They can't wait anymore. I Have Indiana the key idea. New World Man. The idea like two weeks ago that I would even remotely considered Ohio state below third. And I've got him six Ohio state the first of all. I don't even want to know your level of sexual attraction to Ohio state anymore. Eleven o'clock we'll be below that I would if if I were going to have to have a relationship with Ohio state right now I would need to order. Roman DOT COM okay. I'm going to have to get a Roman dot com subscription love. I'm in my forties. There's nothing wrong. Nothing to be ashamed of understood stood understood nothing to. You're listening all right. Ohio state is number eight Ken Palm and one in four four in the big ten. Those are conflicting ideas there. So you got Ohio state third. I Have Michigan State Four. I've got Indiana Four. I've got Michigan Five. I've got Ohio state six. Who Do you have five and six Illinois Five Live shows the time for? Nellie each yes I got Illinois Fifth and I got rooker sixty rutgers. Sixth I believe in Steve Pyke. We're not like I've got okay. I got Illinois. Seven Hoodoo F. Seven. I've got Indiana seven one. Okay so you got into seven. I got him four. So just to recap. Because we're halfway through my one to seven sparty. TURPS PURDUE INDIANA. Don't ask me why Michigan Ohio State Illinois. What's your one to seven? My one to seven is Michigan. State Marineland Michigan Ohio State Illinois Rutgers Indiana Rutgers at six this is an amazing countdown Who Do you have at eight Wisconsin? I wonder if we're going to have any. We're GONNA probably have three. We might have three teams to. It'll be in the same ranking right. Now it's just I wanted to. I have got Iowa at eight okay. I've got down eleven where it gets real slippery okay. Nine purdue remember purdue I'm not seeing purdue I'm not seeing any way purdue finishes gets a nine seen the big ten tournament I've got rutgers at nine rutgers outside of Michigan State one Maryland to and the teams I have at thirteen and fourteen. My most confidence offense likes seats election rutgers nine F you are you kidding me right there scarlet knights number nine. Okay so you have. Ten Pin state and Penn State in the top twenty five in one like four days ago and now get him Tin Tin. It's absurd I've got. I've got a bucket at ten and I don't feel good about that either. Because I feel like Wisconsin might be the hardest team to actually peg in all of college. Basketball don't know what they're doing. An eleven to eleven. I've got Iowa. Okay Iowa I've got I've got penn state I'm not I had such reluctance about this but it is so hard to assemble this league to me from three. Maybe four to eleven that I I don't have a ton of confidence in Penn state being that low but it just it's where I wound up putting them because because I don't even know how trustworthy they are back to back losses at Rutgers non-competitive losing by nine at home to Wisconsin. So I put the nittany lions eleven. That means I you gotTa think our our twelve teams will be the same Minnesota Minnesota. And that's why by the way Minnesota's not terrible at all. Daniel tour has been on a tear lately. The and Minnesota just beat Michigan on Sunday Minnesota. It's three and three in the big ten as we speak right now and that means that Minnesota is tied with purdue. I do ahead of Iowa ahead of Michigan ahead of Penn state all highest by like three games. We all we all that we both think this is going to climb back. Okay Okay and then do we have the same thirteen and fourteen. Who is who do you got there? I've got northwestern Thirteen Nebraska. Fourteen and I have the other way around. I Have Nebraska at thirteen and I have northwestern at fourteen. Something tells me they'll wind up with the same record lasting for me on this. I've got Michigan State at number for one. I think they're gonNA play twenty games. I think fifteen and fives were sparty will land and that's going to do it. I think they're going to finish one game ahead of Maryland at fourteen and six and at the other end I got northwestern the worst team still getting to four league wins finishing at four and sixteen overall like the. I don't think the the big twelve get twelve teams in the in civil ornament. I just think they're gonNA somebody's going to fly the other way but twelve teams on January twelfth that the coach can wake up tomorrow morning and believe they are in contention for reasonably inconvenient for an incidentally tournament bid. And that's pretty wild. That's that's insane and particularly if you WanNa look from the net perspective which is hardly anything at this point right now the lowest ranked big ten teams that would project still have a chance. Minnesota's the worst and it's forty fifth produce forty third Indians thirty seven and then it's just a clog. Man Penn State Iowa Illinois Rutgers is twenty six to highest obviously Michigan State Eh. Here's what's weird entering. The daily Michigan State was eighth. So where you've got. The big ten is the best league and by far the deepest league in the country. There is not not a team that if you WANNA say if you're a top five team you're an elite team and maybe Michigan State is going to get there but they're right now now after what. It was incapable shape. -able of doing on Sunday. I mean you score forty two points. I don't care the opponent bad look there so you know. We're a little dichotomy with the league. So good so deep. But while we think of Michigan State and Maryland as like title contenders th. They're not on the level of the teams. We talked about at the top of this podcast. Well I I mean like what happened. Sunday is what we're talking about right now is these are things that shouldn't be happening on the same day. We both believe. Michigan State is the favourite. And we'll win the big ten and we both just watch them lose by twenty nine points to. It doesn't make any sense on none none at all by the way. The website is not Roman dot com. It's GET ROMAN DOT com. Thanks for that clarification to you know if you need to get down and dirty with Ohio state on this four game losing streak get Roman DOT COM THEIR ORLANDO. It's nothing to be ashamed. I'm I'm I'm good. I'm I'm not saying that I'm I'm not saying that That it is at all. I'm just saying if you find yourself late at night and you got to hook up with Ohio state on a four four game losing streak get Roman Dot Com. Okay Fair may maybe doubled those it maybe maybe overdose it he might have to overdose it. You got to review on read here okay. This one this every Sunday for people who I don't know we pull a podcast review from apple podcast just to show our appreciation for the people who have taken the time to go over there and subscribe and rated five stars leaving nice comment. You could be the next person to get a shoutout just like Darna learn and Chester South Carolina so this one reviewed reviewed comes from been from Louisville Been From Louisville. This been wrote. So what's up guys. I'm a Diehard College Basketball Fan. Who has now been listening to the Pie for more than five years today though? I reluctantly submit this five star review after just reading tweet from none other than the Great Gary Parrish on Monday night in response to viral. tweet asking what's your really you have it seen it movie. GP confessed that he had never seen hoosiers to make matters worse. He stated that he wants interviewed them in. This is true who inspired the film. Even though he is not actually seen the Kim been continue. I was gifted a copy of the movie for my birthday at a very young age in have seen it more times than I can count GP. I want to thank you for this but I will employ to find find some time after the season. Sit Down with your sons to watch this iconic basketball fan for the first time considering you cover this port for lifting. I feel as if you owe it to yourself norlander. I do not know if you've seen hoosiers but I sure hope you have shut up. Jimmy Chitwood keep up the good work. That's banned from Louisville. Is it ridiculous that I feel like we talked talked about the podcast. Is it ridiculous that I'm a basketball rob hall writer. WHO's in diversity? News little bit hoosiers is really good. Not My favorite sports movie but it solid but see now you are so far removed from when it was came out in this. All is hyper rally. There's no way you're GonNa Watch hoosiers and be like what have I done for the past thirty two years of my life. These regrets are just piling on top of my shoulder. That's not going to happen but you should watch it but as a side note actually mild shame on you from materialistic perspective that you interviewed all these men and yet you didn't do the backward to watch the movie. What's this story? Well okay so it. was that the final four in Indianapolis like the last last time. It was Indianapolis whatever your that was years ago. Twenty fifty over Duke over Wisconsin. I guess coming out in thirty eight no Kentucky Gas. I do remember. That donkey was undefeated. Willie Cauley Stein was on that team okay harassment and so yeah. I didn't find out till the morning up. I love that I was going to be interviewing the men who were on the is it Mylan High Mylan high team. Yeah nineteen fifty four. I believe nineteen fifty four mile and high team that Inspired the film hoosier. So it's like hey like I say the morning of it might have been the afternoon it might have been something like. Hey in three hours when we get off the set You're gonNA talk to so and so and so and so on camera interview. They inspired hoosiers. I was like okay. Sure I can do that and so I didn't have time to watch the movie but but it did occur to me. Geez I've never even seen this movie but so then I just read everything I could find so by the time I talk to them. I was well prepared to talk to them and they were delightful men like you you. You might think that when you're those guys and like your entire life has been built around telling these stories like your every time you meet somebody somebody eighty points out to the to this new person. Hey you know. He was on that team. That inspired the movie hoosiers. And you gotTa tell that story of fifty five bazillion times you might think they get tired of it and if they do they didn't show it. They were delightful. They were funny. They were kind. I love those men even if I can't remember their names at this moment but I I've found them to be Awesome an enjoyable but it did not even after talking to them. Make me want to go watch the movie. I never watched the movie. It's not like boycotted it. I just never I've I've never seen it. Okay let's do this real quick here is off the fly so member like some years back af I was like this whole like TV series about one hundred greatest movies of all time. Sure okay. I'M GONNA go the top under. Let's see let's see the highest rated one that you haven't seen all right well number one citizen Kane. I assume you've I've seen citizen Kane I seen citizen of Casablanca. I've seen that and have you seen Casablanca. I saw when I was a kid. I don't remember exact. I watched it once and so we move on Godfather father number three of course. I've also seen the godfather gone with the wind. Number four yes. I can't say that I've seen all of gone with the wind but I I know I've seen some of it. Same as the same is true of number five Lawrence of Arabia. I don't believe I've ever seen that. Don't say okay but even though that's considered a top at five I don't like how often are people really talking about Lawrence of Arabia like that's outside of this conversation right now basketball podcast six. I sixty six's wizard of Oz. We've all seen that right. Of course. Yeah seven wow higher than I thought but I definitely seen it great soundtrack track the graduate. Of course yes eight. I definitely watched a specifically in school for Theater on the Waterfront. Yes yes nine. I know I haven't seen all of it but I've watched it before and parts Schindler's list. I have seen shinners. Yes ten singing in the rain. I've seen it but I don't remember it but I know I've seen it when I was at number eleven. All Right Seth Davis. Here's our movie. It's a wonderful life. Obviously we've all seen if I wonder if I know I've seen it live tweeted annually. Yes I'm very familiar. You know what I. I don't think I've seen twelve sunset boulevard feel like I have seen sunset boulevard but I don't remember it but I feel like I have seen it bridge on the river bridge on the river. Kwai why I don't think I've seen that that's a good movie Fourteen some like it hot. That's good scene that you've seen it. I don't know how star wars at fifteen eighteen I saw all the early star. Wars was like a star wars freak when I was a child. I haven't seen any of the like like the last is to however many star wars you have never went on the turn of the century. Were just whatever I haven't seen the most recent one but like the new the newer ones. Actually I think are are pretty solid overall. What were the first three? Does it go one. Two three and threes return of the Jedi. That's correct that's where I just decided I'm done John Okay. That's enough that actually. There's a lot of like I'm not a die. Hard Star Wars Guy by any means but there's a lot of people that are like the you're better off for that but technically the ones at the turn of the century therefore five and six in terms of when they're released but they are one two three in chronological order. Like so if you were to reorder and all that stuff or whatever couple more here here I don't even know I've never heard of sixteen all about eve idea. African queen seeing African Queen. I don't think I've seen that psycho. Yeah or yes. Yes of course Chinatown. I don't think that's That's a that's definitely Chinatown and one flew over the Cuckoo's nest at twenty. got to see that. Yes let's see one of the. Here's we talked about this. I guess it was last Monday when I tweeted about this. And then we open my radio show last Tuesday on it and my producer been doyle is I sort of went through and just named some of the most famous movies that necessarily best but famous movies that we'd never seen yes and like my list. Obviously included hoosiers also ferris. BUEHLER's Day off. I've never seen it. That's worth it. I think my so my movie. That is the highest rated and clearly like has a has such critical appeal and big following. I've never seen godfather part too. I've seen that God. Would you watch one but never never got around to it. I don't know what to Tell You so godfather you've been disabled for two months. You couldn't watch wreck incorrect. I did not get to ski because because it was like seventy degrees in the northeast as ridiculous. What are we doing here when I left New York on Thursday? It was four degrees degrees when I got back to New York on Friday it was like eighty stupid. It doesn't even make syndrome. So dumber is dumber than than and purdue resume quite quite but aside from grandfather to. I don't know actually there's another like taxi driver. Forty seven on this list. I've never ever like in terms of famous. That feels like everybody around my age of scene. I had never seen ferris buehler's Dave Day off I've never ever seen titanic I'd okay. Yeah like tectonics that was like. Do you realize that when that movie came out I was in high school when that came out that that it was in the theater like seven eight months because people would go and see it and so it was it was as deeply embedded in the culture. Answer as really any movie I can ever remember I. It was the kind of thing where you would go and just be like. Hey you know. Let's watch titanic. I can't explain it. I'm just telling you how it was actually surprised fries. You never saw that. Yeah I mean I've seen the scenes I know how it ends but I've never sat down and watched it front front back. Some other ones that I had never seen that people were surprised by dumb and dumber people quoted all. I want to end the podcast right now. Are you freaking kidding me. I'd never are you kidding. Me Ever Seen Number Senate should I. It doesn't matter it's one of the and I don't want to hear anything from from the naysayers. That is one of the five funniest movies of all time. Are you kidding would comes out with this dude is of certainly good good and as possible as maybe any movie ever. I cannot believe you've never seen dumb and dumber this is this is this is an actual outrage. What are you doing what I never? I never watched it. I like same thing I say about the hoosiers. I didn't boycott it. I just never actually watched launched Gotcha. Now I'm actually pest about the dumb and dumber stuff. Like that's that's I don't even know what to do. I don't know what to do with right now. I Apologize I apologize. You need to watch that movie as soon as possible as soon as possible. Back to New York tomorrow. Watch it on your flight. You can find on items. I'm trying to get to the second season of you. I don't get out of here with that. You could probably story. I assume it's through on any of these streaming services. I Want Act Gary pair. CBS US on twitter. Let this man. No what are you doing man. What are you doing with your life so like ace? Ventura the masks all those i. I honestly don't know what I'm doing my life. Okay you've seen all the other like Major. Jim Carey comedies from the nineties. Right yes by far the best of them all so I don't know what you're doing dumb and dumber is the best Jim. Carrey movie movie. It's the Best Jim Carey comedy yet. Jim Carey movie where he got Super Serious Guy. Are you talking about the the Best Jim Carey movie is Probably Win Man on the moon. Are you talking about when you did. Yeah well I've seen that you're talking about eternal sunshine. Spotless mind that was great. But that's not what I was talking about. That was that was great. I'll tell you what I was talking about. You're talking you're talking about Truman. Show no but I like that too. So it's good. Yeah I am talking about the serious guy. Phillip played a series. Maybe maybe just making that up. I don't know I think I may be making that okay. He was Adam Sandler that plays a series that was punch drunk love. Yeah I enjoy bet. We're talking to that have you. You've seen all of the notable Adam Sandler movies I think so I haven't seen the new one. No no no but like the the nineties once you know happy Gilmore all the good ones all right. I'll have to think about Godfather. Two is probably my biggest like mega movie. That I've never seen but that's actually great. It's not even like all you got to see it because it's what it's actually like you'll enjoy it. It's terrific yeah I I gotta I gotTA check it off. That's that's by far the biggest one last one for you. It's like a scene like shawshank redemption. Yes okay all right. That's that's like got to the I think that rates as like the rotten tomatoes tomatoes best movie ever something like that. It's way up there so this is a college basketball podcast right like I guess it used to be. It used to be used to be here. Here's the promised almost everybody. I will at some point over the next two weeks. Give me some time I will watch hoosiers and dumb and dumber and Norlander has to watch godfather two. It's something I can make that. Listen all the world's indeed a stage and we are merely players performance and portrayers each another audience outside the golden engage. Okay I gotcha okay. Don't forget I'm going to be in studio. CBS Sports Network again. This week. Tuesday and Wednesday flying. I'm back to New York on Monday. We got a double header Tuesday. VCU Dayton in Wyoming at Nevada Dayton up to number six at Kimpan by the way legit final four contender. Since you enjoy talking about all the stuff I was wrong about earlier. Do you remember right after the Maui. Invitational me coming on here and saying listen. The computers caught up with a yet. I'm just telling you. Dayton is a legitimate top ten teams. They looked the part and now guess what computers have caught up with it. Number six can palm third in offensive efficiency agency shooting fifty nine effective field goal percentages fifty nine point one that ranks first nationally. They're shooting sixty two point three percent from two that ranks first first nationally. Ob Top and as a real one legit national player that your candidate likely lottery pick Dayton. Flyers are legit you on board with him. Yeah I've been on board with some since since Maui. So I'm I'm there with you and now they're even further ahead in the a ten just Uri has beaten VCU. Seventy seven of the past. Eight Games. Which I was unaware of until I saw your I one at Vcu and because of that it's created even more separation the attend? 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"Hi everybody colin coward here host of the ever-growing heard podcast. I'm in the honesty business. You know that i don't feel i tell you what you wanna on here. But what can we talk every day about the sports stories. You have opinions on the heard podcast network. Now is a one stop shop for all sports fan. Listen to the heard that h. e. r. d. with colin coward on apple podcasts or on the iheartradio or wherever you listen to podcasts welcome in i'm doug godly been you are listening into all ball all basketball all the time and you can listen to the doug gottlieb show weekdays three to six eastern time. That's todd three three pacific. You can download the podcast wherever you download this podcast. You tunes whatever same kind of thing he was sitting your fox sports radio affiliate or on sirius x._m. Or on the dan patrick channel. I remember on the dan patrick channel on sirius x._m. Serious to seventeen and x._m. The two of three those are the numbers case. You're wondering daily show not just hoops all-sports doug outlive show. It's been like years now like twelve years but kind of afternoon spot nationally three different networks. I think you'll like it. Let me get to a couple of hoops nuggets. Let's start with carmelo anthony now. I do feel like at some point. Somebody's going to take a little bit the bait maybe it's brooklyn because they won't have kevin durant early in the season the problem with the idea of brooklyn even though that's a home away from home for him is that brooklyn's whole thing was their culture and they are completely completely completely into the idea of analytics they only take threes or <hes> or layups. That's really threes. Layups alley free throws. That's about it. They are analytics basketball. That's what kenny atkinson's believes in. It's going to be a challenge for him though with kyrie irving irving who likes to over dribble we'll take some mid range shots. We'll take some fatal and then the same we'll we'll. We'll be interesting when they get kevin. Durant healthy aman carmelo carmelo doesn't seem to fit at all with what they've been doing and the big thing with mellow is like look. He can't guard anybody anymore. He didn't guard anybody early in his career now. He can't guard anybody and it becomes even worse. I guess i'm disappointed in u._s._a. Basketball not in u._s._a. Basketball but in n._b._a. Players who choose to work out all the time and don't want to work out with gregg popovich and play represent. Our country part of me thinks that maybe the thing to do is to make the olympics. I go back to the amateur. You know go back to using our ams. Now it would probably mean we're not gonna win gold medals but the world cup can be for the n._b._a. Players the olympics could be for the college kids. Why not that's what it used to be about and the only reason we changed was as we had a terrible team in nineteen eighty eight. We got beat by. We got beat by guys that some of them were in fact pros and instead of getting better which we're just like. Let's go get our best guys in stop the world which we did and they're now kind of catching up to us if our n._b._a. Players only wanna play in the olympics olympics fine. Let's let's play the ams otherwise but the truth is that the world cup is designed for the pros and the olympics is designed for the ams. Let's go but i do the amateurs or at least cap it at twenty three twenty four years old have for the young guys we may end up getting beaten the world cup. I think that's i'm gonna show our our depth. You know the difference in us and other countries is the depth of quality players depth of quality athletes will see if we have the shotmakers but it might actually be better team basketball than we played when we played international competition before i don't think we should close the door on using amateurs especially in the olympics even if it causes us to not metal be sure to catch live editions of the doug gottlieb show weekdays at noon eastern three p._m. Pacific on fox sports radio and the iheartradio app. Let's do a couple of other interesting news from around the league tara. Lou probably gonna join the staff half of the l._a. Clippers i know this is going to be seen as a win for the clippers. Let's be honest as a previous relationship. That exists between doc rivers anti lou. I i think tyler made a mistake yeah. It was a three year three year deal but think about the team that they're coaching now as an assistant and think about about being the head coach of the lakers in the same building with the lakers driving a hard maybe slightly unreasonable bargain yeah sure but it's their prerogative to do so right there prior to do so and so in in my mind i i think the tyler made a mistake obviously now. He and jason kidd arguments sitting there is to kind of head coaches in waiting for any of the jobs that could in fact come open. It doesn't mean i don't like the higher the clippers you got doc rivers who previously employed tyrod lou he brings or town of respect. He's one n._b._a. Tie like all of that stuff makes sense. I'm just telling you from tara and lose perspective. It's a mistake that he didn't take the laker shop. It's a mistake they didn't take alexa and then we'll let's get to the n._c._a._a. Backing down from the quote unquote rich paul roots really christian doctrines role and and even in how it's being pitched by the media. It's a win for social media and a win for rich paul. Who's grandfathered in to the n._b._a. C._a._p. As agent approval system it's so funny the n._b._a. in the n._f._l. P._a. have prerequisites that you need a degree of course the the n._b._a. You can appeal and get an exemption. That's what happened the rich paul but they have these degree requirements already in place which is basically what the n._c._a._a. Gotta change doing. I don't think there should be and said like. I don't think you're asking a ton to get a guy to get somebody who has a bachelor's degree and the logic right behind it. Is this the n._c._a._a. Is trying to tell you we value education. We want people who understand what a degree brings to the table when they're telling pulling you whether or not you should stay and get your degree or you should leave and go to the pros but the n._c._a._a. Has been prone to do coward to public opinion and they backed down like a week later even after backing up their point which is smart one. Which is hey the n._f._l. P._a. Has this the n._f._l. P._a. You actually have to nevin advanced. I agree yet. Be a lawyer have a master's degree. How come no one calls that racist. How come no one points out that why the culture of basketball so many a you coaches uncles people who aren't really competent don't have the ability to pick up the phone and call the right people point get the right feedback are now the ones that have given feedback to these players and every year we watched the drafter like man who's in that guy's ear and now you know apparently apparently lebron james and rich paul. Don't think that guys that aren't reputable are in people's ears or don't understand doesn't mean that having a college degree makes you more reputable actually makes you slightly more reputable because it makes you at least understand what they're there is some value in the college process. Hey i'm andy if you don't know me. It's probably because i'm not famous but i did start a men's grooming company called harry's. The idea for harry's came out of a frustrating experience. I had buying razor blades. Most brands were overpriced over designed an out of touch at harry's. Our approach is simple. Here's our secret we make sharp durable blades and sell them at honest prices for as low as two dollars each. We care about quality so much that we do some crazy things like buyer. World-class german blade factory obsessing over every detail means. We're confident and offering a one hundred percent quality. 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You've done local radio <hes> when when you i grew up in northern california what was your childhood like i was i was raised by a part time dental assistant <hes> and the san francisco it's just a couple of weeks officer and lived in the east bay and you know it was i was really fortunate to have parents <hes> that that really did all they could to try to further my opportunities and neither one of my parents graduated from college <hes> and so the opportunities to get the kind of education i did growing up and then going to deal with sal high school <hes> which which is obviously world renowned for its football program but not about basketball program when you look at the berry brothers <hes> guys like joe maclean <hes> guys many guys who've come after are they want couple state championships. Frank allocco did a great job with that program after i left but it was a tremendous launching point of teaching me <hes> the the values of just hard work and i watched my parents do it every single day to afford to put me in a private school. My dad would get off of working a a midnight shift at the police department san francisco drive straight to my school and he'd work in the yard <hes> for for recess and lunch just to get the the reduction on the two tuition family could afford it so it. Was you know it was that kind of effort. <hes> that i think has been a principal that i've kind of tried to take with me every day. Wow wow where'd you grow up. Hooping i grew up <hes> blanket c._y._o. Basketball club is you know we grew up kind of similar area. Club really didn't start dark didn't going until like we were probably in the sixth or seventh grade. It's become a little bit more popular. <hes> do you see the orange county hoops and whatnot <hes> your dad's program obviously <hes> but i grew up playing local c._y._o. <hes> at it might use school and then it started finally in the club circuit. I was on one of the first oakland soldiers teams names <hes> that was actually formed by playing in the slamming jam league that had all the high school players from that area play this spring they formed their team from that <hes> <hes> and that was my first real experience of plane <hes> the on the club scene and traveling to the b._i. Tournament down to maradona being vegas whatnot <hes> and playing to the big time <hes> which i'm glad they brought back this past year <hes> but those are the fun times. I mean because really a lot of us tournament that we played in it was just a lot of local guys. We played against other teams. In our general malaria. It wasn't necessarily as corporate as it is. Now where you've got team literally flying every single week then back to the east coast for some of these events to try to gain that exposure who is on the team <hes> i would say the best player was eddie house and not a bad player to have on your team and i really i. I tell oh eddie this all the time most of my success on the club circuit and we went to play at the f._b._i. Turnover arezzo when we're soft moore's and they i was named actually v._c._r. L'americain working on that tournament which basically the alternative team but the reason why was because i was smart enough to figure out that eddie house was the best shooter at the gym and so oh i would get the ball to eddie and amelie knock ball screen. So what do you think is gonna happen. They were going to go under that. He was gonna hit the three or both guys who've been told by their coaches which is at that guy could flat out shoot the ball would go to try to double him and then i would flip the screen and he would dump it down to me and i just finished for the layup or dunk and so i was smart enough to figure hear that out real quick and made a living off of just sitting on ball screens for eddie house <hes> but eddie was eddie was phenomenal in high school and he was what he was arezzo staying as well <hes> but he put up some huge numbers and it was really a lot of fun to play with him. I play kid by the name of stephen boss kelly. He ended up in eastern washington playing there. <hes> we had a pretty good pretty good team but eddie was eddie was the star. There was no question about it. <hes> really it was my recruiting to college was was crazy. <hes> and everybody's got their story <hes> but when i was entering my senior year it was really the air force academy <hes> and the university of montana. Those were like the two schools that i was like okay. I'm gonna go to one of those two and i got my full appointment to go to the air force academy and i was pretty certain i was gonna go to the air force academy <hes> but that backdoor door cut in nineteen ninety six against u._c._l._a. ended up being the the key to open it up so much of what now has become my life. They lost a princeton for instance the opening round about n._c._a._a. Tournament ninety six and the entire coaching staff flew to the state championship game in sacramento to recruit a couple of kids from crenshaw and we i made the state championship as a program and <hes> i ended up having like twenty two points and fifteen rebounds state championship and from that game. I got a ton of offers that came in late. <hes> and i'll never forget being told hey you gotta call. Jim herrick and i was like okay. Well gyms probably gonna ask me to like work as camper pamper something still u._c._l._a. Just a year removed from winning the national championship at ninety five and so i called up coach eric and it it was southern drawl. I said sean you ought to be a u._c._l._a. Bruin and i was like <hes> yeah why like what what are you talking about and so i ended up taking my official visit with nate james of course on coach k. staff now do play duke <hes> and spend couple days down at u._c._l._a. and they said listen. Here's the deal we saw oh you play one game. If you come down here you can earn a scholarship but we're not going to give you a scholarship just by watching you play one game and that was a tough decision to make because i did get scholarship offers. I late to a lot of other schools plus. I was really actually very interesting to go into the air force academy. <hes> coachman did a great job like building that relationship open that trust with me through the process and i looked at my parents and said you know what like i'm not gonna be a pro. I know that i'm six foot six. I know i'm pretty much tapped out. Am i think as far as being you know i can still rosa basketball player but i'm not going to be a pro work gives me the best opportunity successful long term and i said the education at u._c._l._a. I think it opened up a lot of doors of opportunity and so that's why i made the decision to go to u._c._l._a. <hes> and you know it's paid off in spades <hes> just because the way that that four year process went and some of the doors that actually opened up while i was there yeah i think it's interesting. I think the location and the name u._c._l._a. Success the program even though they don't even have a broadcasting major at u._c._l._a. Do they can yeah. I was a history major yeah. Everybody's a history teacher and a high school basketball coach and i kind of i kind of fell into the broadcasting thing 'cause bill. Mcdonald was calling games in time for fox sports west and it was a game that we're playing against actually arizona state and i was. I was always in the gym like you know we. We've finished eating. I'd be right back in the gym just getting shots. I knew i wasn't gonna play a lot but <hes> in particular in my sophomore season and was like you know what i'm just going to get shots up getting my workout in and so i was go right back to the court and so i was talking with bill. Will you gotta easy job. He goes well. How would you do it and i i did a mock open and what i didn't realize was the mike was actually open to the truck and one of the executive producers of the fox sports west heard it came down to who was that it was that guy and they pointed at me and from that they they started while i was in college the u._c._l._a. Sports magazine show that was on fox sports west for a long period of time. <hes> actually had me as a special correspondent and i would do a segment called the far nepal this time with the x. files is very popular on fox <hes> so they'd be built this whole interstitial the foreign fouls and i interviewed coach lab and i interviewed zurich and i show people where we ate on campus where we'd hang out as a team eamon it was just a bunch of things like that but desensitized to the camera and made me feel really comfortable <hes> and then after i was done coaching at pepperdine i i called up that same executive bruce all that stuff for free when i was in college. Is there a chance that that you give me a chance to try and make this a career and that's kind of how the whole television stuff <hes> really started. You didn't want to go to saint bonaventure van varennikov like you didn't go like hey. I know him as much as a check it force <hes> and woes probably probably would've liked me a lot better. Had i been on on that staff <hes> but it was just you know doug. We all make decisions right and i just i i knew the girl that i was gonna marry very <hes> had a couple of years of college. <hes> and i just proposed to her and i was like you know what. I'm not gonna leave that because if she's got a you're and a half left of college and i'm an only in new york. I don't think that that that would have been good for our relationship and so that's what kind of helped push me more into the t._v. World than the continue you can you continue to coach at that time and it was one hundred percent the right decision three kids later seventeen years in now marriage <hes> and in a career that ah brings me a great deal of happiness. I mean i don't i don't want that job. I look at it just absolutely fun to be talking about hoop and studying hoop on a consistent basis your first game name. Do you remember what i call well. First time i ever did television. I was a sideline reporter for high school. Football for low salam. Ito's first fountain fountain valley and the hit was on their coach coach barnes at the time for loselle who legendary coach in southern california and so i ever since the first time i ever had an i._s._p. An and i don't know what your experience was like but i was ill prepared for this and so <hes> wadi throws it down with john jackson accent and say hey. Let's go down and welcome to our broadcast. Team are high school with water. John part of sharp and i start to do the talking in my producer in the ear goes <hes> uh sean lower third and i literally on camera holding the mike turned my head and said what because i thought someone now mike like you're shaking because i'm nervous and i realized i screwed up on television and i was like well this is this is gonna be the last time i ever worked on t._v. And i fought my way through it. Gay men's crews comes outta out of the truck and i said i'm so sorry that was horrible because look the stuff he didn't gain. What's fine <hes> obviously. You've got to get more comfortable with an i._s._p. That's why you're doing high school. Football and you're not doing doing anything more than that for right now and that's kind of where i started to learn the business and start to cut my teeth and get a little bit better. <hes> working with people like lindsey soto who's obviously gone onto a great deal of success with the n._f._l. Network and then and then it started in college basketball and my first college basketball game was health state fullerton verse u._c._i. In the brennan center nice nice donald at the time. They had a guy paso who i think was was playing for. I think he's for fullerton. If i'm not mistaken pretty good player and it was it was just fun and from their economy just started to start to move. I had an opportunity when marcus johnson who was doing the game so steve physiology at the time was was doing the all star game <hes> and they actually had me go do a couple of national games pretty pretty early on <hes> and i got u._c._l._a. Arizona i'm at the mikhail center and that was the son adam on dala dada meyer <hes> they're pretty good u._c._l._a. Team as well so it was it was good and it was fun and i started to get that search and i started to find kind of like a little bit of a rhythm <hes> just allowing myself to understand my limits and and my strengths and my weaknesses as a broadcaster and trying to find those outgrow okay as i know you have over the course of your career as well hiring is challenging but there's one place where you can go where hiring is simple fast and smart a police wear growing businesses connect to qualified candidates that places ziprecruiter dot com slash skill ziprecruiter since your job to over one hundred of the web's leading gene job boards and they don't stop there these powerful matching technology to scan thousands of resumes and find people with the right experience then inviting them to apply. It's your job as applications. Come in ziprecruiter analyzes each one in spotlights the top candidates so you never miss a great match. 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Davis phenomenon like it was <hes>. It was like an an one mix tape before anyone mix tapes. Were like really popular <hes> everyday practice. He did something that would make your jaw hit the floor in any games. It was the exact same thing <hes> but people forget forget how explosive he was. You know he could jump on the free. Throw line and dunk it with ease <hes> and the move that he toured they see l. on is he's still one of the best crossovers i think i've ever seen a person it was against the two three zone and he was so quick out on the wing that the guy on the baseline for michigan. I couldn't even step one step over before. Baron was already at the rim with his head at the rim looking down as dunk the ball <hes> he he had such a fun natural joy for playing the game of basketball that you know as as a competitor practice you're like okay. Just don't get caught like that was the big thing for me like i was like. I just don't get caught like nowhere. Barron is at all times because they swing it real quick and you're on the health side position. He's probably gonna smash it on you <hes> and so you just kinda you kind of you kind of know where he was because he was one of those guys that look to try to dunk on you and you know whether it was even in the n._b._a. After tearing his a._c._l. Theon dunk on on on your linko kevin garnett i mean he had those moments even in his professional career but going back to where he was in high school and then when he showed up at u._c._l._a. And i i still remember the day he committed and he committed on fox sports west and it was really the first time i think i can remember at least it got committing on television and the the sound in the dorms at u._c._l._a. The eruption of cheers went barren announce that he was going to come to westwood. <hes> was was amazing to watch him. Get picked. I think it was third overall in the traffic <hes> even coming back after that a._c._l. It was just incredible yeah but i mean herrick sold his son. He sold his sister or his soda sister like a chevy bronco bronco like it was the dumbest stuff. He was the place where it was a blazer. Sorry blazer blazer he sold it. I like you know who knows how they came up with the money whatever but there was like like a legit transaction made but just the idea that like like i like generic but that she was crazy just just a level level and all that stuff was vetted and obviously it was exposed. I mean if you remember the l._a. Times articles that were coming out. I know you're in college at the same time <hes> but i mean that was a big deal and there were stories about that written and <hes> and barron you know through through the compliance department whatnot everything was considered did he find <hes> but barron teammate was was wild. I mean it was pointed. There was a picture that was posted on instagram not too long ago <hes> and i forget who posted it might have been posted it <hes> but it was a picture of barron driving one of those service cards with earl in the passenger seat and doron rush in the back. Ah laying on the bed of the of the service it was inside the arena at arizona state. They've let the keys in it and those guys got in took it on a joy ride through the parking lot around our bucks after we were done shoot around but that was that i mean that's just how it was we were we were a little wild little crazy <hes> but they they were. They were on a habit to me that year you had i mean you had two of my teammates. Jared henderson chris johnson toby bailey who was like he was like arrival when by rivals all grown up to talk about a team thing and same teams that ever beran earl watson jilani mccoy same team same team like that's a crazy crazy talented team. He has lost to kentucky had smashed by kentucky. Why does a game after guarantors a._c._l. <hes> they came out impressed arrest us and we turn it over a ton early in that game i mean it was over within ten minutes that was at tropicana field and the baseball team had actually not completed yet and it was torrential downpour. We put like those little wraps around our shoes. Got off the bus because you were stepping in the mud and that should have been an indication nation of how the night was going to go because we step in that mud we played like we were stuck in mud <hes> and they just absolutely destroyed us the other thing about that season people forget about two is gilani ended up only playing a short amount of time that year <hes> and then a suspension went into play and he didn't play the remainder of the season and and so i i i i always go back and i always think to myself like if if gilani mccoy had not been suspended for majority of that season <hes> and then certainly for for almost all of conference play and then into the n._c._a._a. Tournament he was not available for us. If baron doesn't tears a._c._l. What that team could have accomplished <hes> because as you know with him being your teammate chris ca- flat out score with anybody and he loved to shoot the basketball jared henderson still playing professional basketball in japan is twenty third season or whatnot over over in japan <hes> but extremely talented as well and that group to me. That's that's the one thing that i i look back on it u._c._l._a. And you look at not only that team but then you go the following year after that and you've got baron davis scarlatti thin and then you've got <hes> matt barnes jerome elisa's bowie so who the lottery pick for the celtics i mean it was it was a tremendously talented group of players that i was fortunate and then when we lost barron we got jason component for my senior year i so it was it was always silly. As far as talent goes at u._c._l._a. During that stretch of time and look i think personally looking back on it. I think we did underachieve and i think that there there were times when i look at it go man. There's no way we should have lost that game. There's no way we should have been bounce out of the term in particular barons final u._c._l._a. We lost to detroit mercy in the first round of the n._c._a._a. Away german <hes> and what happened alan to be able to accomplish that to dig out before the game. I remember because we're in indy and we we we we beat <hes>. We'd be. We'd be hofstra. No no senior <hes> we beat syracuse and then lost to auburn and i remember we beat syracuse very early in the day and then you guys played i think later on and like the rumors are like dude are the u._c._l._a. Guys went out the night before the game and then you guys get beat by detroit. Mercy and doron russia's bad. We didn't do it out. Yeah barron found out and it was just like <hes> it was just bad now. I don't i don't personally i've obviously tell you it's twenty years later so i don't really care <hes> i don't. I don't know if if the guys did or not i know i didn't i know. My roommate didn't <hes> but it was. It was just disappointed. They went to his own on us and we got stagnant real quick. Can we settled for a lot of bad shots and we still had a four point lead. When darren found out with like two fifty four left to go in the game <hes> and then after baron found out of the game it was it just kind the wheels fell off the wagon and toronto did not play nearly as well as as he's showing that he could and and we kind of needed him to in particular that art your last game was what i was the i was take game. That was a big game at the palace of auburn hills in good. They were totally tournament. We lost to that team twice. First time we got blown out second tha at their place second time close game but but for you to go from a guy who was walk on to scholarship and starting <hes> like how long did it take. Did you have the perspective while you're doing it of house. Special especial an accomplishment that was at u._c._l._a. or was it like like the rest of us wrapped in the like. I need to shoot more bitterness and like how how did you have the perspective of how how incredible klein that is from a guy who they didn't offer scholarship to to starting your last season and part of your previous yeah it was it was amazing doug <hes> just because again i knew how limited basketball player i what you know and and i've never made more of that whole thing. I think i think especially when i was in college people made more about about it than it really was <hes>. I just felt so grateful that i had john wooden sitting behind my bench for years. <hes> and i remember my senior day. He waved me over over and looked at me and just said well done and i was like yeah. I'm good i. I don't really need anything more than that. <hes> it was it was an incredible ride and you know my i start was crazy because it was against arizona. Arizona was undefeated fourteen at all. I think there were seven in the country. The game was january second nineteen ninety nine and not that remember eighty to seventy five final final score. We won <hes> but the day before it was obviously new year's day and we had a couple of guys that you know hey they just practice was showing some signs of guys not being dialed in much. They need to be in and laugh being left goes. You know who wants to start. I i'll start. I guess fine sean. You're starting like what i'm starting to zona. That's all i needed to do to get a start. <hes> and it's funny looking back on it but i started remember. I'm feeling went to our video guy. Who was the guy at the time had come from indiana was bobby. I i said i need every move at a._j. Bramlett has scored on in the last five games and so he went back then it was v._h._s. You know so you're you're. You're pausing record. Play guy pulls off and all of these things like okay if i can just take away push him off the block a little bit. Take away this turn to the shoulder <hes> i i think i got a chance and so i went out and played really well and epilepsy hard-nosed defense. We got off to a good start. <hes> scored the second basket of the game and assist from <hes> from earl- and and as i was doing that i almost inside like you know that that feeling where you're like almost hyperventilating but you're trying to play cool like you really not <hes> so that was that was the moment for me. Especially since i didn't tell my parents and they were coming to the game anyways and so they drove down from northern california and they're sitting there when they announced me as the starter <hes> just to look up the dad cry <hes> that was that kind of getting a good indication of that this was this was something special and i never devalued those moments and and i knew there and for people that didn't understand at the time why it'd be starting over like jerome alonzo or matt barnes who obviously both of them went on for the n._b._a. Matt it had a tremendous career. <hes> fifteen years almost i think <hes> it was it was one of those things where to rome really didn't like the star i mean he just was one of those guys like i'd rather come off the bench. See how the game was going or dan would be like hey you know. Let me come off the bench and i would go out there for like three or four minutes. I ball reversal set good screens probably get an illegal screen at some point in time just to make sure that they kinda knew that a screen coming and then i go sit down and i'd watch the pros play and that's that's that's the reality of what my role was even when i was starting and i accepted that in enjoyed it because i knew i wasn't a shooter like who do you want shooting the ball. You've got out of the floor. When i started my first game name. You had baron davis. You had earl watson you had to romo we so you had ray young who was a really good shooter her and a mcdonald's all american and then you had me who's the last guy you want shooting the ball out on the floor me <hes> and i was smart enough to realize that and go hey this is my roll. This is what i could do but it looking back on it. It gives me more pride than probably i had when i was going through it just to wear that uniform to be out on the floor. What's up folks is chris broussard and i am here with my partner rob parker and together. We are the odd couple that's right. Join chris and me every every day as we give you. The hottest spicy sports takes that you won't hear anywhere else and for the record why parker is the one. I'm the more review the board what so listen to the couple with chris bruce hart and raf hawker on apple podcasts bore the iheartradio app or wherever you listen to podcasts. It's there's a lot of fascinating elements to it. Are you a pay the players guy no no and and i always use myself as the biggest example. I mean my points per game. I think for points per game. I might be you wanna most successful college basketball players in the history of college basketball and i jokingly but when you look at the forum that u._c._l._a. provided for me <hes> i i left school in my first check went into my pocket i would've i was hired as a full time. Assistant coach at pepperdine at twenty two years was of age. I was coaching a player that red-shirted ear quite played against in the california state championship and derek anderson <hes> then to to be able to go into this broadcasting career. I wouldn't have had those opportunities had not played basketball u._c._l._a. I realized one of my teammates bob myers they by myers is general manager golden state warriors after being very successful n._b._a. Agent with our intel originally out of out of college <hes> there were relationships that you can build and you can foster that can help set up the rest of your life and that's why we're devaluing the college education a little bit right now and a lot of these discussions that we're having i i think what happens is when you and i say college education people think of like the classroom and one the classrooms actually changed from which we went there where i do you think that a lot of the things they teach now are more useful instead of some of the things that we're taught then but it's it's about the experiences you have the people. I like just getting into u._c._l._a. Like you were very good student. You've probably got in your own right but like j._r. Wouldn't've chris johnson. He was a good student but might not have barron wouldn't matter like people were saying how hard it is to get him u._c._l._a. Especially when you're from state of california they want foreign money so just getting in has a value going to the school has a value because you're in terms of your this is post tax. It's expensive but alright but the the the other value is the experience and the people that you're around around and you're like you remember the u._c._l._a. Family that extends that extends to all the basketball people all the coaches all the people in entertainment and you're in los angeles where like again like if you're part of the you're part of the u._c._l._a. Family i just i don't understand that so many people that have been through the same system like like you and i have don't have a real appreciation for the doors that they vote like i look i i had on the pod last year and i think he's great and he's become a close friend but i'm i'm just like look. Do all you guys so if you didn't go to duke you wouldn't have these jobs you just wouldn't it doesn't mean you weren't a great player doesn't mean not a good guide item you good with the english language but there's a reason that duke is such a powerful brand. It creates your brand and help build you up. That's why there's so many guys on t._v. Now there's there's no question that my experiences at u._c._l._a. <hes> literally opened the door to being a college coach <hes> into the t._v. world and when i talk about college education i think a lotta times right now we are. We are in the get to the end result as quickly as possible. Look i'm in favor of guys getting drafted right out of high school. I don't know how you feel go about that. I think if you're good enough to go out of high school go you want to get paid go but if you often to the college system you're going to to gain a a lot of experiences through that. There's a young soccer player. Female soccer player named livia poultry and i don't know if you've talked about her at all doug or or or know about her. She's thirteen years old. She was she was already committed by the way to <hes> to go to north carolina. She now can't go to north carolina. She signed a marketing deal <hes> with wasserman through nike she's been in a couple of nike commercials that were shown during the world cup and she's now trying to play professionally even though she can't technically play play professionally because she's not old enough and she's part of the thorns up in portland like you'll how many experiences she's missing never mind the development and the maturity aspect of life. We're going to play in college okay. She's not even having a high school experience. She's got going to homecoming like. I think we're we're. We're missing the were so at the end result of do they deserve money and shook. Guys get paid more zay on how much money design on make this year. People forget that coming into the year r._t. There it was the guy we're all talking about. Give me the right a lot out of money by playing for duke this whole question to wait until he could cash in on it. The same could be said for the previous year. We were talking about the andrei eight. We're talking about marvin bagley. We were talking about michael porter jr. You didn't come into the college basketball season being like matt trae young. He's going to like this place on fire early. We're going to make him the face of the no he he earned that and then subsequently even though he did not get paid while he was at oklahoma when he went and decided to be pro he was able to cash in on that eight month investment that he made himself by pointing in the call. Okay is it brand recognition in a household name. I don't remember and people thought about the g. league and again. If you wanna go get paid get paid. If you want to be a hampton go to new zealand. Do it great go make money awesome for you. I i don't know how many highlights are this year on television. I i know that we're gonna see a tunnel highlight of the caches stanley early at duke. I know we're gonna see a ton of highlights of you. Know guys like niko manion at arizona where coal anthony at north carolina. We're going to see a ton of highlights of those guys and those guys are gonna become helpful as here in about four bucks as soon as the season gets going. I i agree with you. I just we we do my thing about the draft at a high school. Deal is i just they're all gonna go like they're just all gonna go and then that's fine. If they make a bad decision they make a bad decision we can't you can't protect people from making a bad decision but at the end of the day i don't think that impacts the brand of college basketball college basketball. We'll survive just because they did. What guys like kobe. Amare stoudamire wasn't there mile. It wasn't the way i understand i think look i just think you keep it as is and if you wanna go to the g. league they can. They want to go overseas they can like. I don't understand this deal right like you can go right to the g. League you go right and play for a year they. They don't want to cause what's going to happen. Is there declare and they're all going to go and they're all going to be in the g. League and some of them a lot of them wash out and we won't talk about it only talk about the ones that made it and that's and that's those are the stories that get related to those guys. I mean think about the second round picks the draymond. Whatever who who have made it those are the ones we talk about you. Look at those drafts and there's two or three of those guys are still in the n._b._a. So i that would you rather be on a bus travelling to play in a some small facility like unbeaten cota or would you rather fly on a charter. They ended the best hotels world playing on e._s._p._n. E._s._e. And being part of kentucky it's then by and by the end by the way like you might be on that bus anyway when you get done so like enjoy just enjoy we. We take the joy out of bass. Take the joy out of playing with guys your age and and because we we like you said we're all about like. How much did you get paid like. How much am i going to get paid how much my gonna gain in terms of experience. I'll i'll just tell you this. I played minor league basketball played u._s._b. L. c._b._a. I._b._a. a._b._a. And there's no question the basketball. The talent was skill was better than college basketball basketball. It was not fun you know waiting for checks living in a hotel travelling on buses <hes> twenty dollars a day per diem no thanks thanks like no thanks and <hes> i just i. I'm not sure there's the right people explain this to those guys. They only again see and results and look. It's better now because now some of them trained in the same facility but they don't practice that much. They're not getting nearly the number of game reps. They're not being coached. Tino geely coaches for the most part are guys that have are trying to get their first head coaching gig. Many of them are young. Some of them high school coaches doesn't mean they're bad coaches but like look you can play for tommaso. You could play for cow you. Could you know you could play for chess game. You can play for bill self or you can play a guy. Who's literally never been a head coach for just because you wanna get those n._b._a. Socks right like it doesn't make any sense and we're we're. I just work. I do think it's going to hurt college basketball. Substantially i see i think the guys that will come will continue to grow. I think they'll continue developed. We'll see we'll have plenty. Linnea people talk about unsure if they when the rule changes and guys get to go straight out of high school. I do believe that's going to happen in the next <hes> that that we're gonna lose you know probably fixed a seven on average top six or seven. If more than that leaves they're getting really bad advice and again it. We can talk about the dangelo collins of the world who made the decision to declare the go to college and then we've never heard of sense <hes> that's going to happen and and you can't protect people from making bad decisions but what you can do is to give them the opportunity and i think opportunity should be there just as it is right now to go to the g. league just as it is right now to go overseas if you're gonna give them that opportunity given the opportunity to play in the n._b._a. I mean it's not gonna make it. It's not going to make that big of a difference at least from from my perspective effective and i think the college game has endured. I think the pageantry of the environment that you go to whether it's you know you could call game butler. Call game at allen fieldhouse house call game at cameron. I mean calling him. It rough and i know you've been at all those places doug. Those are special environments. That's not going to change in the montgomery county maryland courthouse. There are thousands of pages of documents detailing the horrific murders of three innocent people to things things from the early days of the investigation are clear no one knew for sure who committed the murders but some had a theory about who engineered them soon as i heard the details. I knew my dad was involved right away. We know it was lawrence horn. I mean i knew who else instantly asserts lawrence. Everybody knew that lawrence turin was responsible. Nobody even better but at the time of the murders lawrence horn was clear across the country watching tv in his los angeles home he could prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. I'm jasmine morris from iheartradio and hit home media. This is hitman. Listen and subscribe at apple apple podcasts on the iheartradio app or wherever you listen to podcasts your are your favorite place you've ever been as what where allen fieldhouse allen fieldhouse. I went allen field. That's part of the reason is that <hes> my uh-huh father-in-law who passed away november <hes> went with me when i did that game and just to listen to the rock pageantry of it <hes> to see the rules of again basketball <hes> to walk through that that center area that has all that rich history of everything that is is basketball. I just think that is a spectacular blur environment to to be at if you like college basketball and you go there and you don't fall in love with it walking out like i don't think you have a heartbeat. You know cameras great jake <hes> the the kennel great up in spokane. That's one of my favorite places to call a game as well because the students just bring it every single night. It's the environment of the best student bodies that make the college environments environments that back then combined it. You know i i do think butler kansas's you know do you know they're like cathedrals and how they're built healthy kind of the classic classic architectures well kind of helps and then you add in the students and and and great teams and it gets it makes it more amazing at least favorite place i think about opt out. I mean because honestly you know you've been through all the big ten places. Those are all great. I mean you. There's north western northwestern new places awesome. I don't know if you've been but they're they're new. Places amazing. New place still packed is a high school gym. Their new place honestly might be my favorite new place like it gets okay. It's perfect i'd have to i'd have to think about that like in the s._e._c. like everybody's pretty good like and that's i spent a lot of my last four years. You know college station even when i was in college station a couple of years ago when when ben simmons showed up that plays fire marshall had to kick people out i mean it was it was insane that <hes> you know i'd have to think like relevant. Center is a great irvine. I you know i don't do a lot of games there any four but like collina gains air like that wasn't great firestone fieldhouse is pretty well on the list like pepperdine pepper. Don't see i think at pepperdine is one of the all-time overrated schools because when you ask people about let me let me explain my my logic pine okay because i went to jim harris camp back when he's the coach at pepperdine i mean you had to walk up and down that damn hill to go to the stairs to go to to go to eat lunch but it has a great view but it's not on the beach right. There's like the colonies over there. So you have the street you have p._c._h. And then you have houses like whereas u._c. Santa barbara you literally have dorms ormes on the beach like the beach school. I would agree with you on that and i honestly here's the thing about firestone especially when i was a locker room for were really bad. <hes> the facility is is not great in the in the location where it is on campus. Parking is a bear for people to come to the games. Nobody really wants to go to the games a lot of the local. The people don't get out <hes> even that was when the team was really good. I mean i was coaching a year after they beat indiana and ended bob knight's career at indiana and then we beat them up and we had we had all those guys back brandon armstrong suet <hes> craig louis area like that was that was a really good team and we still struggle to get people to come watch games. <hes> and i think i think to me that's that's a big part of it. You've gotta be able to do your student. Body makes up the environment as i said earlier you've got you. Gotta have people that are there and there's a facility has to be have a have a great deal and i think that's one area where pepperdine desperately and i think lorenzo romar working on it trying to get a new facility something else there <hes> that that they can take better pride in <hes> because that facility it we leased to train and work out downstairs underneath it which because there's no student rec center is the exact same place for working out in our players would have to wait to get on machines as student with finishing up. That's amazing. That's amazing. Okay you are <hes>. I've done a lot of things american cancer society you've done even more you host the event went along cougars vent in vegas and you're putting on a youth basketball tournament this weekend at what at mamba at mamba sports what's academy out in thousand oaks california and doug unites here at our own experiences. <hes> you lost your father. Obviously <hes> i lost my father-in-law november. After fourteen years i <hes> and the call to try to help and coaches versus cancer is a great organization american cancer society and i've been part of laws event for five years now hosting that <hes> i've been part of the national event now for the last three years <hes> and watch that event grow <hes> and last year. I'm ready to terminate with russell white who just took the job at cal lou to be their head basketball coach from crespi <hes> and we hosted eighteen tournament. We raised about nineteen thousand dollars this year. We've moved it to mama. The the expenses obviously go up when he hears it a facility like that and thanks thankfully the model sports foundation donated a couple of the courts for the entire weekend for us and we've got to pick up the charge on the rest of them <hes> but we've got thirty two teams lined up for this weekend <hes> and some great raffle prizes <hes> that will be given out. I've got one. That's available online. If people go to my twitter at sean you can see it <hes>. We've got two nights state the m._g._m. Grand to lower bowl tickets for the utah kentucky talk game at t. mobile arena obviously have to pay for your own airfare and travel there but a ten dollar donation to the link that's on my twitter page <hes> and that that put your name the hopper for every ten dollars you donate your name goes in the hopper and we're gonna pull that on sunday and wrap loyd that item. I've got a couple of i other items that we're going to be giving away <hes> at the venue on you this weekend including a v._i._p. Experience at pauley pavilion u._c._l._a. donated to courtside seats for the u._c._l._a. Denver game as well as valet parking as well as <hes> pavilion club tickets to be able to get food and drink before the game and a half on and we're trying to we're we're going to take me somewhere. I think realistically i put it at sixty thous and i think we're going to probably come closer about thirty thousand <hes> but that's mainly because of expenses and and it's it's a euro growth for what we're trying to do <hes> but this is gonna be something the new annually and i'm naming the brackets after people that are close to me <hes> that have lost their fight with cancer cancer or battling cancer right now <hes> and we're we're gonna. We're gonna name each division. It's not going to be like a twelve thirteen you yeah the teams are going to be those age groups but we're gonna have and their your bios are going to be up next to those brackets so that people understand what we're doing and what we're trying to help what we're trying to accomplish here too many of these tournaments doug. You know what they're they're making a ton of money for for people and that's great profitability and being successful in life is awesome but sometimes not taking a dime and and really teaching kids like hey you can use this game to give back and help and that's that's been the most important aspect over the last two years for me in trying to develop something where i feel like i at least i'm trying to do my part so awesome. I i will commit to putting my teams in it. Next year we just based on the timing with the summer and you know the schools in in orange county some of them don't start until september her so i just don't feel like how about there and get smashed with my twelve years. I'm gonna get you. I'm gonna get you next year and we're going to also look to move the dates because we run into some issues with some of the teams have been like hey. We'd love to calm but this is a down period. I and i was like okay. Then i got to work with some other people and you you know luckily because of relationships guys like ryan silver who west coast elite <hes> guys like mac minor who does <hes> o._g._p. <hes> we're we're gonna we're gonna talk to them and try to figure out a weekend and we're not going head to head against one of their events g._p._s. one this weekend yeah so we're gonna try to. We're gonna try to void going head to head in the future <hes> and try to find the way that we can really maximize this and and raise as much money as we possibly can awesome stuff sean on twitter about your your twitter handle here shawn shawn and shawn farm you. I have the doug gottlieb but i don't know the password. I don't know how to get it back on e._s._p._n. So i do add gottlieb show so <hes> and if you wanna get in on those website and you can get in on those door prizes or you can simply donate straight away to the american cancer society or coaches versus cancer farney doing great stuff man happy that you're happy with your family. Keep it up on e._s._p._n. Keeping everybody in line and get up and thanks for joining me no problem dog. It's always talk you be sure to catch live editions of the doug gottlieb show weekdays at noon eastern three p._m. Pacific my thanks to sean farnum. What a great dude awesome 'cause i. That's it for all ball. 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11/17: The most overrated team through the first two weeks of the season is the Florida Gators

CBS Sports Eye On College Basketball Podcast

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11/17: The most overrated team through the first two weeks of the season is the Florida Gators

"It's scary perish at Sunday November seventeenth two thousand nineteen welcome back to the CBS sports eye on college basketball. podcast where we sometimes discuss camouflaging leaky Black Matt norlander. The is here with me. And the reason we're recording this a little later than normal Sunday night is because Norrland was at Gampel pavilion this afternoon for Yukons upset a Florida final score uconn sixty two number fifteen Florida fifty nine you. Can't I win over a ranked team at Gampel. Since December second two thousand thirteen that was also coincidentally a win over grow. Florida team ranked fifteenth norlander. You were in the building. What's the story you can't big win or Florida's second loss to an unranked opponent or both? No It's Florida losing. That's the that's the story coming off of this and yeah fresh fresh back home for a few minutes after being there and Glad to be podcasting with you because in my bears look terrible Florida. Losing here is is the story Trivia time right off the bat pairs you may know the answer to this but maybe not but I did look it up right right before I left gamble before we got home. So Trivia Time Florida ranked in the preseason now has two losses are very strong argument that no team was more overrated rated as a two and a half weeks ago. The Florida gators but one other team in the preseason. Ap Top twenty five also has to lies without looking. Can you tell me in ten seconds or less who that other team. Seamus one. Other team that was in the preseason I know one that was in the top twenty five in one day that's Davidson that is correct but Davidson was was not. It was not in the think you might be able to pull it. It's easy relatively easy but not But not maybe not to. If I just looked at records right now I'll be able to pick it easily if you look at the Ken. pompey's right now you will get it will not take you long pretty correct. Purdue as a preseason top twenty five team it's the the only other one that has two losses at this point whereas Florida had a bad home loss by twelve against Florida State Eke out a win at home against house in three days ago and then was offensively horrendous on Sunday. That's really why to me. Florida Kinda takes the cake at this moment. Right now as the most overrated eighteen heading into the season purdue also into but it fell by four at home against the Texas team that I think is going to be better than Yukon and better than Florida estate and then it lost understandably on the road against Marquette a marquette by the way also has two to one loss but I'll let I get to that if indeed he wants to ask for the game a couple of things here. I feel duped by Florida. I picked the gators to make the priests the final four in the pre preseason and I have a hard time envisioning that coming to light even if and when Florida turns things around and the reason why say that is offensively. The team is clearly challenged. Now Mike White did tell me afterward that you know. He thinks that thinks said Noah lock who now is coming off the bench instead of starting will click into gear trae man who suffered a concussion in the game oh by the way just a little bit a little bit of a newspaper there where the four or five star prospect. Now you know starting starting guard he he took a pretty bad mike white actually said he looked like he was out like. He was out cold when Mike when over to look at trae before he walked off under his own power. But he's in concussion protocol. It remains to be seen if it'll even be able to play in Florida's Thursday game against Saint Joe's but on the whole there's a lot of talent here obviously and I think that Florida yes can turn into a top three team in the but I don't know so if all of the pieces will click here. I'm not overly confident this point. And here's why and they'll give back to perish one. Mike even admitted to me afterward in terms of the roster he has right now. We're these guys collectively project to be as twenty five year old basketball players. This is the most talented team that he has ever had. And I think that's a relatively relatively disputable now. He did say you know if my team from a few years ago that made the elite eight you know at this point in the season. That team was obviously way better than this one. That was deemed ahead. Christiane Casey Hill. Oh Kvant Allen Devin Robinson Cetera et Cetera etc but he's never had projected dons and a player regarded as the top ten guy in the sport. And that might not be the case carry black share and so he has got a lot of mouths to feed. And it's just it's kind of roster situation than he. It hasn't happened for he does. He does say that they are. It's a great situation this team right now. Despite the losses is like he has less concerned with them then maybe a year ago when Florida was a little skittish as well but to me. And we can get to you if you want but to me. The story is definitely a free season. Top Ten team in the eyes of plenty getting out of the gate to into averaging sixty two point five points through four games games I think Florida's defense will be fine but I. I'm going to need some convincing going forward that this could actually turn into an offense good and consistent enough that it can make a final four. Yes yeah so. They're number six in the preseason eight people number nine in the preseason top twenty five in one number twelve in Kim ponds preseason rating so you can argue that six was to I I or blood like whether you trust. Humans trust computers. Everybody had this team in the top fifteen and I tweeted after the game name. Like there's always a people voted for just not paying. Attention happens every week but the ones who are paying attention. You can't have Florida on top twenty twenty-five ballot when this poll updates on Monday not with this resume two and two with wins over north Lantau Allston and two losses to unranked teams and the name was tied with like sixty sixty seven seconds remaining and a guy tweeted Beckham. And he was like payers. Don't act like you didn't have Florida. I think he used the word anointed as that even makes sense. Don't act like you had Florida. Didn't have Florida in the preseason. I was like listen to me. I'm not criticizing anybody for having Florida. Florida ranked high in the preseason based on any way any person or computer does such things Florida should have been ranked high in the preseason. They return some interesting interesting pieces. They get arguably the best grad transfer in the country. They enroll two five star prospects. Like that's supposed to fifteen but they're not playing like it at add on and it would be one thing if they were to in two with a Michigan State. Like schedule I mean. There's a scenario where Michigan state could got two losses right now as well but one of them would be lost to Kentucky final minute loss to Kentucky and one of them if it were the second laws would be a you. You know a final minute loss to a Seton Hall team that I also have in the top ten. Like that. Wouldn't necessarily mean Michigan State's not great. It would just mean that we'll boy. Tom Izzo again put his team in some uncomfortable situations early. This ain't that one of the losses is a loss at home to an unranked Florida state team. That had already already lost to pit. The loss is a loss on the road to a Yukon team. That just lost a Saint Joe's now without context. That might not mean anything to you. But a pit is number. Eighty two Kim Palm and that team beat the Florida state team. That Florida couldn't beat. Saint Joe's is one hundred ninety nine that Kim Palm and that team beat the Yukon team. That Florida could not beat and so two and two with those types of losses when you have been a favourite in every game a six point favorite against Florida state. A four point favorite against Florida eighteen point favorite against housing in your tie with sixty seven seconds to go. I I'm with you the Evans. The Kentucky's he's Evansville loss is a worse individual loss for a high rank team in this preseason. But if we're talking about WHO's gotten off to the worst start there is no no denying. It's Mike Mike Florida gators and then weirdly enough. Saint Joe's which beat Uconn will now play Florida on Thursday as I mentioned previously in the Charleston classic sick and also though it is not likely to happen. You can't in Florida both in that bracket they'd have to have matching results in their first two games to meet in the third game. I'm so either. They both have to win the title game. which is not likely to happen? Or they'd have both lose their first two games. It's not like happen or then you'd have to situation where they both win. The I the second or vice versa. And we'll see but it'd be weird if Lord and Yukon did wind up actually meeting again in less than weeks time that is obviously a highly uncommon thing but not unprecedented when it comes to non conference opponents scheduling Couple more northern Florida before we move on to the Yukon side of things Scottie. Lewis has ways ways to go miles to go in terms of offense of development. I mean I heard that. From from Scott's I talked to one hand and even wind up sitting in a good by any cats yes and then for shila was sitting next to Andy and Friend was just saying you know through the eyes of his former coach obviously and looking what was there he said Florida's got a lot to figure out here Loves WHAT SCOTTIE LEWIS CAN DO Internet barred. They put the game. His hands in Florida was almost able to steal it back near the end they had to basically run everything through them. Because you know even black sheer got into foul trouble and I don't think he got a brutal whistle but lecture historically is not for the kind of player he is and his style. He's actually very good at not getting into foul trouble if you look at what he's been so that was also it's part of it's part of paying the rent when you play on the road overall but defensively pensively. I don't think I have too many issues. Just wait and see Mike White saying that in practice you know the team has looked good has shot. Well there's obviously a glaring difference between practicing what you're seeing. Can you actually have to go out and face these kind of opponents here but you know. I'M NOT GONNA try to overreact to harshly but through four games. I'm just not seeing a Florida team operating operating at a level that even if it was if you'd have had one at Uconn I I would be giving you the same kind of take your parents. I'm just I I'm a little reticent. Going forward is all all. I still like the team. But I'm just telling you right now. If we were to Redo our final four picks. I'm just not going to pick Florida to get there. I think they can be a good team. I don't know if they can be a great one and I'll be interested to see how that rotation works if Mike Whites Really GonNa go nine ten deep often or really he settles into seven. Maybe eight guys overall one other note with Florida tied to the. SEC is kind of almost two weeks into the season. Here still has some undefeated teams. We'll get to one of them shortly. But you mentioned the Kentucky as a bad the loss Missouri has taken a loss understandable one but lost against Xavier. VCU knocked off Lsu. They've got a loss. Alabama is one and two with losses at at home depend and then dropped one relatively understandably but they didn't look good in doing it on Friday night. Obama lost at Uri. And so you've got an that wasn't able to defeat Gonzaga and you've got vanderbilt that has also lost against Richmond so on the whole the SEC. It has just been a little bit of a letdown overall. It's not cataclysmic but the league is strong right off the start as I thought it would be all right. Let's give back to Florida for a second because some of their numbers are just horrific effective field. Goal percentage forty two point six on the season that ranks three hundred second second nationally three point percentage. They were five of twenty against Yukon. They are shooting twenty four point one percent on the season that ranks three hundred twentieth. It nationally I mean they can. They came shot. They've got real. Maybe three maybe three NBA players. And they I can't make a shot like how were you. Let me just ask you this. And then we'll get to UCONN. How how did they get that fixed? I'm assuming it's fixable. But they're playing at an incredibly slow pace face. One that ranks three hundred and forty six to country and they cannot make shots around the rim shots beyond the arc the three-point porn percentage again twenty four point one to point percentage forty six point zero like you've got carry blacks year. You ought to be better than that based on his presence alone. Like there's a Lotta. This isn't just sitting here at two and two. What are you going to do? Even the details of this. Two and two are really really bad. So Mike why talked to me one on one about this this and then the press conference as well One of the direct quote from here as he said I'm I'm going through a trial and error. Process is what he said from a coaching perspective. He said we're still learning each other. The freshman struggling a little bit from the field should never shot anybody but our other four guys who have got to play with a lot more confidence he said for particular. It's easier for him because he's the grown man on the roster Mr of course he did have the the foul issues problem. I'm also with black. She's been good but I'm getting there more by the game in not believing that black share is going going to be a top ten player in the country. I think the collective college basketball media might have might have just overrated him. Just a little bit But they get. They're going to need him to be really really really really good It is a bit weird. I mean white maintains that he has the confidence that the offense is going going to show up and be at such a level where they're going to be like an elite team but wait and see. Because I don't think you're GONNA get it for guided Lewis's a great defender Wiry but I had one person. Tell me on Sunday. That like you. Who knows what's GonNa happen but for the betterment unless he does something that no one really sees? He's coming in the next two three months for the betterment of his long term outlook as a player like he should be at least two years in college. So I don't know we'll see defense. We have no issues but I don't I think that you know He. Specifically parish is going to turn around Florida's office level where suddenly it's able to run with any team in the country. I don't think that's coming. All right ASPER Yukon so. Dan Takes over in advance. A damn being Dan. Hurley of course takes over in advance of last season. They're not good and that's got everything to do with what he inherited. Nice anything to do with him but still not good sixteen and seventeen overall. They finished ninety eight at Ken Palm. And I don't know that people were excited coming into the season I don't don't believe Yukon and was projected by anybody to be an incident tournament team and then when you lose your second game at home to a Saint Joe's team that's not supposed to be good it can really rip the enthuse whatever enthusiasm existed it can really rip it out of there and yet you were in the building. I wasn't but I watched it on television with my by three. Zero Gamble looked great sounded. It looks the way it at least on TV. It looked the way it. You'd think it's supposed to look U.. CONN was making big shots down the stretch. Florida got like headed even though was horrific they had a chance to win the game. Just couldn't make a shot down the stretch and you know you can't dribble ends up dribbling out. The clocks is this an indication that maybe yukons GonNa look more like Yukon or. Hey Paris don't forget It was just last Wednesday. They lost at home to Saint Joves. Right yeah the dribble. That was kind of weird by the way it was almost like Florida. Had a chance to get it and then they didn't didn't I give up but they weren't like they're like are we going to just go through this so we're gonNA foul like it was actually a little bit weird and Christian vitale tweeted you too this out. I was sitting. I happen to be sitting right next to the ESPN broadcast table with Seth Greenberg and call ravitch. And so obviously when you call the game you as you well know doing stuff for CBS. Sports network you go to shoot around the coaches and players beforehand. So Seth Greenberg was around the Yukon team this morning and I would presume Christian. Vitale towel told Seth Greenberg defeating uconn later on in the afternoon that surely came to pass and as the big Florida by the way all right. I don't know if the mics picked up at all but like the clock runs out. I think my towels got the ball in his hands. And he's looking Greenberg right in the eyes and going. I told you this morning morning. I told you this morning. Like the crowds like all amped up obviously the announcer and Yukon. All this stuff kind of cool cool little moment there. The building was on fire. Felt great it was like gamble. Most Times I go Because usually when I'm going to gamble it's for a legitimate opponent. Now the problem with Uganda's Uganda's it actually hasn't had these kinds of opponents in the building non-conference are in conference wise for the most part over much of the past four or five seasons as as you mentioned previous time that they want gamble against a ranked team was against Florida almost six years ago it was early December. I was in the building. I was actually sitting sitting almost exactly then as where I was tonight in terms of positioning of press row on the court and I'll never forget it because it was an unbelievable Shabazz Napier buzzer beater to clinch Lynch. It and that was a probably top five loudest moment of a game I've ever covered. It was just absolutely lutely deafening. In that moment it was I remember. It was all about Napier's the next Kemba Napier was all about no. I'm just want to be the first and only Shabazz kind of deal. That was a great game. The point I'm making though is for Yukon to be able to get these kind of opponents in into its arena again and kind of have this be the on ramp to rejoining the big east. It is very good for the fan base going forward very good for morale team wise perish. I don't think that this is an NCAA tournament team this season. I still I think that there are plenty of flaws on the roster and that's fine it's early second season. He had to sell it years worth of recruiting. And I think next x season. You're still gonNA. You're you're going to discover. I think the kind of player that Hurley likes to recruit the talent the work ethic and all of that and it will be a combination of what this team hasn't when he can bring in what I meant when I mean by that is because I was talking with Hurley. A little bit one on one after and he. He's proud of the fact that he has gotten under his players skin in a good way and that they are doing things on the practice floor in games that are emblematic of of what Hurley practices and preaches and they are becoming the kind of place that you know he's taking a roster that has that has never had a winning season and now who knows that they should have a win above underseas in the season. I don't think that they are quite. NC Double A.. Tournament caliber one other note from this Hurley said One he ran them harder in practice the previous two days as you might expect than any any other time that since he's been to uconn Was Harder on himself after the Saint Joe's loss like viciously Hurley. Actually he he really all coaches live and die with certain sent but Hurley is. He said that he was on the phone own with his assistance until like two in the morning after the Saint Joe's loss just like talking through stuff and then he told me that he was was like He. He tried to go to bed and his wife's in the bed and he's having a one way conversation for ninety minutes with her about the loss. God bless Mrs Early at. It's not it's remotely Moley surprising. It's how Dan handled sleep. He said the loss bothered him so much with what his team didn't do. So because of all that because of that as the lead up in backdrop dropped to what we saw perish. I thought it was all the more impressive. That UCONN which didn't have a great shooting at or anything still was able to eke out a win against again. What might prove to eventually? It'd be again a top level team so it was a uconn sixty to Florida fifty nine. You guys. Next game is Thursday against Buffalo and Florida's next game. It's Thursday against Saint Joe. Imagine you can't beat Uconn in your next games against the team. That just got so nightmare for Michael White that would be. That would be extremely problematic But I would I have to believe I mean Saint Joe's followed up its Uconn win with a AH double digit loss against it was real game but still at Loyola Chicago so I would. I would think that Florida will be in the goods there and then it's GonNa play. I don't have the back in front of me but place I I think the winner of Miami Missouri State And you know Missouri State Mid Close Game of of of Xavier recently so You know what we'll see. There's I think Florida's just a team to look to keep an eye on the five or six most closely as we head into the The mid-november tournaments all right. Let's move it along. George Pappas became a legend Jin forever on Friday night. We're going to get into that hilarious story next but first check this out. Are you looking for sports to be decoded from a unique unique perspective. I'm David Samson and I have a new daily podcast on the CBS sports podcast network called nothing. Personal with David Samson. I'll be able to tell the truth about trending sports stories and what's really happening behind the scenes based on my eighteen years as the the president of a Major League Baseball team and trust me. I've seen a lot but I won't just be talking baseball. I will break through the noise and analyze the endless musings of players owners and all others across every sport. Nothing personal with David Samson will be available for your drive home commute Monday eight through Friday and remember this is just business. It's nothing personal this this Danny Canal. One half of the Canal Bell podcast alongside Raja Belp Rosa. And I cover what's trending sports from the perspective of former pro athletes five times a week. We'll tackle subjects sports that matter to us while relating back to our own playing days. Nothing is off limits. Well almost nothing join US Monday. Eight through Friday and subscribe to the Kennel podcast anywhere. PODCASTS are found so Kansas Played Mama. Don't Friday night just to buy game between a good team and a not good team. We know big deal but in the final seconds it provided a viral moment for college basketball. Kansas is up fifty five points right just dribbling out the clock. And that's when my man George Path is decided to become a legend. Dude is averaging two point nine points in his career at mom but he already had ten against Kansas. It was hot and he wanted to get twelve real bat. So he sneaks like actually sneaks creeks you think creeps up doc. Ku Freshman tristen in a ruina steals the ball. When he's not looking takes off down the court dunks taunts kids a technical go foul keep in mind? They're down fifty. Five dogs taught get the technical foul and then screened twice to the crowd. I don't give an F. Ah I don't give it. Our colleague. Cow Boon tweeted the video. I was coming home from Fedex for we went to see my return game. Mike Hollywood the Utah Jazz Back Atkinson Fedex forum as a visitor for the first time and so I was riding home. My wife is driving my little due to sleep in the back seat and I see this video Kabul tweeted and I'm I'm like I'm laughing real tears watching this. It is so great. Kansas ends up making the free throws so they still win by fifty five. But George Patton Pappas was the star. He went from somebody. I had never heard of to somebody. I'll never forget it. Span of like a couple of seconds or diner. How how great of a moment was that inside? Allen Field has no matter. What George Pappas does with the rest of his life? He'll always have that last second dunk inside Allen fieldhouse and given I didn't realize until right now I mean. I saw the video whenever it was posted late Friday. Whatever just like you because I was obviously not watching? This is the glory of college basketball. You garbage time. You never know what we're going to be presented with as podcast fodder. So I was not watching this slop. Obviously Kansas wins easily. George not a starter by the way absolutely had led the team fouls with four but also team heist in steals two because the second one was necessary for exactly what we were talking about here and and credited him for a strong night from two point range four from five overall. George George Take that and run with it King Rice. His coach at Monmouth is the kind of guy who it doesn't suffer. Fools at all and I I love this see I. I'm all for sportsmanship. And when I get all that. But it's a blow out. You're in a fog allen you're on the floor to close out the game and you're Doin' scholarship athlete. Okay the this you're still the game is still going on if someone's GonNa allow you to steal the ball from them and you WanNa take advantage and throw one down in front one of the Best Fan bases in the sport. You absolutely do it now. If you're the coach I would assume King rises pissed off as hell about this because this is the kind of thing where where coaches can easily embarrassed. He's apologizing to bill self whether you know privately afterward and all that kind of stuff so I get it from that perspective. You're you don't want your players doing this. I'm not a coach I don't care I think it's I think it's awesome and I I know for as much as I like it. You'd probably like it five times more because this is. This is the content nick that Gary Paris curious this this is his cocaine. This is what gets him going more than anything is the idea of any sport anyone showing exceeding Bravo Rivaldo and I don't give an f about it no matter what like no unwritten rules no conventions. No it's when you know when some comes comes in and just wrecks everything I know. That's very much your jam. Okay let let me disagree with you. On one point that might surprise prize you and then agree in general. You actually don't do this if you're a player you don't it's it's one thing if it's a fifty five point game game and we're still playing those sometimes where the walk ons are out there for both sides and we're still playing we're just running up and down the court and you're trying to get Bradley Calipari and open three or whatever ever right. This wasn't that everybody stopped playing. You see this all the time in basketball especially the NBA. Okay shot clocks off. Game has decided. I've got the ball. I'm no longer playing you no longer play. It's very much the equivalent of we're taking a knee in football the games this is over. So so George Pappas like I love that he did it I would not just be mad at him. If I were his coach. I would be mad at him if I were his father. I would be mad at him. I don't think I'd be mad if I was teammate. I think it's funny but the where I disagree with you is. Hey if they're just there's GonNa be lax with the ball then go you. Don't do that once once. The person with the ball has quit playing in fifty. Five point game. It is your you can do that. Because that's how you land on a National College Basketball podcast if if his goal was that that. Congratulations so where I disagree with you as you don't do that you're not playing anymore. Nobody's playing anymore and it's just like take the ball in any sort of. I'm not not exaggerating. When I say he snuck up behind him like go? Watch it again. He'd like SORTA creeps like like if somebody were holding a basketball the football in their hands. And you WANNA pop loose like out on the at a tailgate or something and you snuck up behind him in the popped it. That's what he did. He took little sneaky steps and then he took the ball. He took off so I I would be furious coach. I would be furious if I was his father. I I I would not do that if I were a player but take all that. Put It over here steal the funniest thing in the world to me when it actually happened. How about this I I would? I would be mad if I were king rise. I would think it was hilarious. If I were bill cells and bill to his credit bill was like I don't care bill did not cares but I I would not have done it. I am so glad he did it. And it's not just that he did it in the most ridiculous way and then actually dunked. It's the crowd is reacting the way any crab react like tour snore wrestler. Get I don't give it to the way I'm laughing right now. Is the way I was laughing by. I myself on Friday because I came home and in my my little dude fell asleep on right now I put him in bed and then I always sit down with my computer just to see if I missed anything and I just found myself watching it over and over again I would just laughing harder every because every time I'd watch that see something new like I I just saw him grab the ball and dunk right and then the next time I see him I noticed he actually snuck up behind the guy which just funny and then finally I realized this turned to the crowd and the I don't give an f twice. He's like it was on every level. It's the funniest thing. He should not have done it but once he did it. Are We free to laugh about it. I think once he does it we're free to laugh about it and it reminds me a little bit. There's these little things that happened in sports that you remember Marshall Henderson Jersey Poppin the Auburn fans like you'll never forget the all time moment. Yes it's all time moment. That was that was in a highly positive. That wasn't a win win. Yeah so it was a win on the road. At Auburn he can still see like he's popping the journey and then that old white man to sort of raise up right in front of him. Yeah I all all I know. It's not him but the white may I always think that's my brain is like. Oh yeah this Verne. Lundquist pissed off at Marshall Henderson. I can still see that guy's face so this was this. was that kind of moment. I won't remember things that happened in final fours ten years from now. But I'll never forget the night George PAPP. His don't it's knock up by K. U. Point Guard in the final seconds of fifty. Five point game stole a ball dumped told Allen fieldhouse crowd. I don't give an APP that was. That's an all all time. The only thing I gotta add on this is that Pappas watches officially on for Monday. monmouth is at Pitt on Monday. I'm going to set at the over under I think at five and a half minutes. For Pappas we'll see if king even loves him on the floor I would I would think so but just yeah so if I don't think it's likely to get another woman. I really would prefer that. But one of three month will a in its fifth straight road game to start the season and they go to they go. Toe To toe with with The Panthers on Monday keeping my. I never even heard of this do before Friday night. I didn't know was named like people were like. Hey he's got an because. I actually tweeted this dude and people. Yeah got a name name. How am I supposed to? The average is two point. Nine points for Mama like give me a break I like. I guess I'm supposed to be a college basketball expert. We we all got our limits. Like I don't know anything about George Pappas. And so some so. I didn't even know his name but people started telling me his name and told me on twitter that he deleted his twitter account. Can't do that you can't you can't say I don't give an F and then duly now. No No. No no that ruins. You can come on. I know I guess he was being overwhelmed by Kansas fans. Or I don't know but I feel like once you've done all that. Yeah that is the time to maximize Samadi has yes. That's that was a mistake. You got to lean into it once. You've done what you did and you've gone viral for the most ridiculous ridiculous reasons basketball game. You gotta just lead into it man reactive if he hasn't reactivated at twitter account yet he needs to do it because again. That was is an all time wild moment before we get out of here another big game this weekend. We previewed it on Friday it. It was Tennessee Washington. They ended up playing Toronto on Saturday afternoon. For some reason. Nice performance from Rick Barnes Vase they led by double digits in the first half basically cruise to to a seventy five sixty two win over number. Twenty washed never trout in the game never was tied in the game in the final thirty seven minutes. l'amante Turner Got Sixteen points eight assists seven rebounds in thirty nine minutes and shouts to Josaia Jordan James. I mentioned on Friday podcast that he had done nothing. So far. This season five star freshman. But he's four four from from the field against Washington finished with nine points five assists and four rebounds so that solid. So here's the deal. Twenty four of the twenty six teams I had the preseason top twenty five in one were in the preseason. Ap Top twenty five one of them. Wasn't I already mentioned Davidson. The other one was Tennessee. vols number nineteen in the preseason top twenty five and one but they were unranked in the people. That'll change Monday. I think Tennessee's now three zero three double digit wins. So the evolves lost grant Williams Admiral Scofield Jordan bone from last season's team. That's top three scores. Still look good computers like them. They appear on their way to a third straight. NCAA tournament appearance norlander. What did you think of Tennessee handling Washington fairly easily and that's a Washington team that had already beaten a Baylor team that most people project to be tough during the big twelve? Yeah well I got this one wrong you got it right. I had Washington. Can you had Tennessee. I that was the only game we disagreed on Fridays. PODCAST creek right. I had Tennessee. So you Tennessee. We both had to Paul. Paul was able go ahead Cornell. We were both wrong. Belmont went in and whipped BC. So we got that wrong. We Got Yukon Florida wrong and then Seton Eaton Hall was able to beat Saint Louis. We both took Saint Louis so not not a great weekend so I went two and three and you went one and that would be correct so we are now equal on the season in terms of our record which is good going into week. Three are pixel Friday. You can look ahead to that for this game specifically great on Tennessee to get this kind of win in this and so- definitively Rick Barnes is quickly. If he's not always in the eyes of many they're gonNA get five now they're gonNa beat Alabama state and they're going to be Chattanooga home games and then they'll play Florida state at the end of the month in I Guess Nice Ville Bill Florida but the program is getting to a point with a with a quickness given the coach and the talent that's coming in where we better start defaulting to Tennessee being at a certain level within the greater hierarchy of college basketball. And I'll say that just because of what he's done at Tennessee but for for the march let down to the head that we're aplenty and I understand the Texas fans got frustrated with that Rick Bars went to the tournament all but one year that that he was at Texas so he is just it's been decades now where he is clearly proven to be an elite high level coach. And we shouldn't be totally. Whoa we had lamantia Turner and George Bowden on our top one hundred one players I am definitely on the East Ponds Breakout Bandwagon. And he had a great game against Washington he was arguably right there with the most important factor in that game so yes very attended I mentioned earlier as the SEC has had issues. Tennessee runs counter to that. Tennessee has been the team team that is just unquestionably. Looked very very good in all of its games. Not only just three you know be astral Hanley came back and robbed on Murray State after an up and down first first half and then they were able to beat Washington as for the HUSKIES. Just one loss. It's now you know. Sometimes coaches will tell you if they've got got like a young roster in your you take like a kind of a rough loss but there's enough on the schedule and the non con to kind of help the confidence and getting him steady. It's you know that can be the right thing. That's what Washington has over the next month for talking Maine Montana. San Diego South Dakota eastern Washington before a big game at home against Gonzaga in December. So I would suspect that the huskies. We'll get on the straight again but the outcome is way more about Tennessee to me. Credit to the VOL's they are very deserving of being top twenty five level caliber caliber. And if you told me perish that we got to. The middle of the season in Tennessee had maintained its status within the top twenty five which obviously many teams don't what they drop out hop back and drop out. I would totally I would totally buy I can. I can see this team which gets the benefit of Memphis at home. We don't know if wise men will play in that game or not in December. I can see them just kind of holding firm to you know that fifteen twenty five ranking official polls for the next two months some more on Rick Barnes assuming his team gets to the NCAA tournament. And I think it's fair. Assumption re totally reasonable assumption. Right now he will have appeared in twenty two of the past twenty-five NCWA tournaments head coach. We we spent a lot of time over the years talking about the consistency of mark few. He's never missed. The tournament is Gonzaga's head coach. Note to never too so rarely. Yeah have a bad season in the big twelve. All of those years a league that is widely highly regarded as one of the best if not the best conferences year after year after year. And then it got onto started Tennessee. It took him till you're three to get it going. But in year three they vastly over. Teased achieved year four. That was last season. They were really good rank number one in the country at one point and now he's got a team that it should be in the AP top twenty five on Monday. I've got them in Monday. Mornings update a top twenty five and one seventeenth in the country so behind. Rick has his behind other kids his critics and there are some of the reasons you mentioned earlier but when you are putting together a list of the most consistent winners I of the past two decades. He's gotta be He's gotTa be on it and he's got to be on it even if your list is pretty short for for reference for our listeners. Who are checking the late Sunday or early Monday? You said you gotta seventeen suggest out of curiosity. Because I don't know who you have. Who is sixteen if you've got it in front of you? What team seem to have sixteen Just ahead of Tennessee. And what team do you have eighteen. Just below sixteen. VCU Seventeen Tennessee eighteen Arizona. Okay those all make sense. In that order I would go Arizona. Man I think I'd go Arizona Tennessee. VCU But obviously relatively Arizona has looked fantastic. They've romped New Mexico state on Sunday. A shorthand in New Mexico state team. Don't get me wrong. But it was like I expected that came to be closer Arizona. Donahue has looks fantastic there but that's that's fairly reasonable just VCU since you are on top of this every single day. They got the home win or do they have another like somewhat notable winner was just a case where you had him obviously ranked in the preseason. They haven't lost yet and given other results in just kind of work their way up. Yeah a lot of this is still based on the preseason rankings. Thanks for better or worse. I don't pretend that you know like if you were basing it on resumes right now. Ohio state would probably be Ohio. State might have the best resume in the country certainly one of them but they started so low outside of the top twenty for me. I believe that I've jumped all the way up to ten. But typically for me you you gotta get a wild win. The Way Ohio state blew out Villanova to to really make significant jump and so to answer your question. VCU's he's got the homeland over Lsu from last Wednesday which was great. But that's all they got the rest of the stuff is Saint Francis North Texas Jacksonville State. So they're they're significantly lower than those other schools. That can tom but I had. VCU ranked in the top twenty. I think I guess this is the way I had. VCU ahead of Tennessee and Arizona. Let me make sure I've got that right I had. VCU ahead of Tennessee and Arizona in the preseason and so VCU is still still ahead of Tennessee Arizona. That doesn't mean I'm trying to insist that is better than Arizona. It just means that I had them there in the preseason they done nothing to deserve to drop and I acknowledge Arizona's been great but they don't have a big signature win to push them up like the stick to win Ohio State Guy last week. Yeah I gotcha. Okay makes sense. Ask Your question about that Memphis. Tennessee game is going to be wild. Not only because they both should be in the top twenty five but you know in state rivalry penny and rick. Rick Barnes do not like each other at all grant. Williams is weird as it sounds Great Williams admiral. Scofield and Lester can youngest. This have been going back and forth each other on twitter. Tude one of them. I don't remember the details. But like Admiral Scofield's said something and then Leicester popped off at him and said. Hey if the if the Washington go-goes don't have a game that weekend you should come on down to Knoxville and watch us. Oh my Gosh said if you're G League team doesn't have a brutal by the way chefs the Tony O'Reilly because he calls him wiseman enticement. Because if I'll lester whereas short which is incredible duo nickname because he is not bringing the short shorts back. Serve another other places. You've done it but I don't know many of Jackson as high as as that Weisman and thighs when I absolutely love that and giving g leaks Mac guys who are already in the League league is almost George Pappas level cocky dough out about this so we start talking crazy to grant Williams so memphis. emphas- did this thing at one of its practices or exhibition. Or something where everybody's Dunkin. And then they get the ball of wise men. When he goes up the dunk everybody jumps with him and then they all oh come down together? And it's what Tennessee used to do. Last yeah right. So then grant Williams tweets the video of it. And he's like oh it's cool to see the little boys copying Our little rose copying us but they gotta work on they got to work them a little more coordinated so then lester jumps on twitter talking to an NBA player. Keep in mind. He's been good so far. He's a borderline top sixty recruit. The odds are stacked against Leicester ever having any type of career close to the one grant Williamson to sec less details tails. Hey I appreciate the advice man. As long as we're talking about things people need to work on. How about your jump? Shot like look like so that is going to be wild and you hope that Wiseman is going to be available for it and this is the only thing I was trying to say about this. We didn't got off track as long as it's a suspension of six games or fewer and. I suspect we'll find out this week. Then he will be available for Knox was anything more anything more than six games. He's GonNa miss the game all right. Well we'll find. We'll see if we get that update in time for Wednesday podcasts. Obviously when we find out you'll you'll know because we'll be discussing thing it and I think that's about it man I got this bears game on. DVR You know what's happened. I don't I appreciate you. Not Spoiling anything. I'm do you want me to do. I do not. I don't don't even and asked me if I want to know because I don't want that to the hand to be like you don't WanNa know because now it's frigging twenty nothing. No I don't WanNa know. Let me just go at the PODCAST UPLOAD The podcast experience whatever misery awaits me in real time. This'll be the last game. The bears plan Sunday night. Football this season so we actually want to have this weird eared thing happened where he got to do the pod and I got a positive okay. I can't tell you one thing I don't WanNa know I don't even WanNa know if your homie. Anthony Miller caught a ball. I don't WanNa know anything. Okay if you want to tell me something just I don't have it. Be Bears Game Related. Okay well you know it Sunday and that means that we have to pull a comment from the apple podcast. Shoutout shoutout somebody who is doing what we can do that but I did. I did promise. Read this but I will give a shout to uconn team manager named Corey. 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