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Hour 2: Inside Scoop on Harden

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Hour 2: Inside Scoop on Harden

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Max you also get a sixty day risk-free trial so there's nothing to lose visit simplisafe dot com slash max for your free security camera. Today that's simplisafe dot com slash. Max max kellerman. Show the podcast in an article file. Espn this morning. Written by tim. Macmahon of espn two rockets created a culture that gave james harden all the power. Whatever james watt. How harden has controlled. Houston's every move after years of catering. James harden the rockets are at a crossroads just james james inside hardens cumulative impact on the rockets culture. Isn't this interesting. How this drops this morning along with a lot of other articles you can look around. Go google it everywhere. It's the same article. James harden was running the show and he had too much power. In when you see that that's coordinated on the part of the team. That's leaking from the team now. I don't want to disparage mcmahon's reporting. He did a very good job and he talked to a number of people and also presented a different point of view in other words. It wasn't just tim. Macmahon saying bad. James harden he. He exposed the idea that a lot of people in the organization were like yep. He had a lot of power and look. We were winning. Go party in vegas comeback and dropped fifty and they're not wrong and by the way. Is it possible that harden would have been an even more effective player and leader. Had he not done those other things. Yeah you can't prove a counterfactual in other words you can't say what if you know what would have happened. You just don't know maybe he's the kind of guy who needs to blow off steam like that in order to be effective and he'd be worse if he didn't get to do that but it's reasonable to suggest or assume that he could have led more effectively without kind of that level of power because with that level of power comes corruption the idea is power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely power tends to corrupt and absolute power. So so when that's the idea of checking someone's power to make sure they're not too powerful because it will be a corrupting influence on their own personality. And if james harden's having everyone wait for them and stuff like that. That's not good. It's not good. And yet he was one of the best players in the league. The last bunch of years. What's happening now more than that. The real story. I'm going to tell you the real story of what's happening with the rockets and y all this is happening but first let me tell you. Let me see another six minutes. We have tim hardaway senior. The original tim hardaway five time all star one of the most savage crossovers of all time and the motor of one of the most fun teams to watch in nba history on amc. With chris. mullin. Who am i forgetting. Latrell right now. Mitch richmond mitch richmond. Yes tim hardaway. Mitch richmond and chris mullin. I don't know why. I'm having a brain freeze today anyway. No no i always thought whoever was a part of that but he wasn't he came after. Yeah yeah no. No weber wasn't in. No could you imagine. Wait a minute. Wait maybe he was. I'm forgetting who the hell was in. Tmc gotta go. Look the point is tim. Hardaway was a truly great player in his best. You wanna talk about. Why hate the next so much. This is being a knicks. Fan one offseason. It was like the knicks. Have the cap space to get tim. Hardaway reggie miller and charles barkley or two of those three and they wound up instead of tim. Hardaway reggie miller and charles barkley. They wound up with chris. Childs instead of. Tim hardaway a alan. Houston who was an excellent player. But not reggie miller. And larry johnson who i loved but he won charles barkley so they wind up with chris. Trials alan houston and larry johnson and guess what happened. They didn't win a championship. Who could see that coming anyway. Hardaway was the guy that got away ran. By the way wound up pat riley went to miami and so hardaway winds up miami with alonzo mourning and they didn't win a championship either. But from nothing. The miami heat were suddenly powerhouses. Used to give the knicks helen. The place okay. Anyway let me tell you what's going on with with the rockets what's going on is tillman for. Td bought team and wants to win a championship. And what he saw was the rockets running up against the reality that they simply didn't have enough talent. They weren't good enough team now. That's true of almost every team that ever existed. That didn't have one of the best. Or the second best player in the world and the truth about james harden is. He's never been the best or second best player in the world. Never ever never never never close everybody close to the best player in the world. He james harden has never spent a day of his life. Better than lebron. James or kevin durant. And i'll tell you the truth. I'll take my letter jaanus over hardened to and i'll take steph over harden but before you get to those guys. Lebron james is always clearly and by a billion light years ahead of james harden. They're not comparable players. Lebron taller faster jumps series of better passer but harden is one of the most skilled scores. You'll ever see. And he's worked on his defense diligently and has become a really underrated defender. He's a great player. But when you don't have that singular superstar like lebron james if your guy is hardened and lebron has help boy you need a lotta help lebrons way. Better than harden steph is better than harden to and steph had clay and and igwe dala and it wasn't enough. Let's be honest they never would have beaten the cavs. If kyri and kevin love didn't get hurt that first year they went to game. Six with dell dovers is lebron second best player data lost certainly sure one hundred percent. They would have lost. The cavs had they've been healthy but they squeaked by one next year they were like one of the best teams in history. Most wins ever in a regular season. Cavs beat them. So even clay andrey an iggy weren't enough help for steph curry. They had to go get kevin durant but once they got durant. Who's better than all those guys. There was no stopping the warriors the cavs got smoked in consecutive seasons in the finals by the warriors never had a chance. Never had a chance. We're never in series smoked. And that's lebron. James is the best player in the world with kyrie irving and kevin love on his team. So how is it that. Little james harden not as good as lebron or k. d. or steph. In my opinion how is it. He was able with chris. Paul is the second best player. Who's a great player. But chris. paul had a hamstring injury in game seven against the warriors and then guys like trevor aretha. And you know clint cappella nice players but so under talented compared to the warriors. How was it that they were able to host a game seven at houston against those warriors. That smoked the cavs the k. d. warriors. It's because daryl morey is not only a really excellent gm but he has guts. He's like yup. We're going to run the most efficient offense possible. I'm going to get the coach. It's going to do it and d'antoni i don't care about the criticism we're just gonna go for it. So people like for got spoiled. They're like boy. We're getting really close but we kick it over the hump coach. Gm so that we can get over the hump guys. The only reason for tita even was in a position to be greedy enough as a competitor to want more is because that rockets team overachieved by so much. It's ridiculous figure that roster wasn't a talented enough right wasn't more talented roster than the cavs then the cavs not even close and yet they were a much bigger threat to the warriors. Why because he had a brilliant. Gm an excellent coach who are willing to have the courage of their convictions and james harden superstar great player. Now daryl now. It wasn't enough for for tita d'antoni's gone and then daryl morey left and now hell breaks loose and you see in fact. The rockets are far away from a championship and hardened on wanna be there if not about hardened being spoiled it's about the owner understandably being competitive wanting more but not realizing that the only reason he's in a position to high to get over the hump he's only up to the hump because daryl morey got him there. Now daryl morey is in philadelphia. Watch what happens. Watch what happens because when got to houston. They didn't have talent. He had to go get the talent but in philly. He's starting with the talent watch. What happens guests now. One of my all time favorite players. Certainly when i was a kid the guy wanted the knicks to get so bad. I'm still mad. The great tim hardaway five time. Nba all star. tim rogers. I started literally getting confused about tmc. We're like wait a minute. Was that chris. Webber or chris. mullin was spree. well mitch richmond. Who the hell tim hardaway. Mitch richmond chris. Month that's what i said originally good. I got you guys. Were so much fun to watch so much fun to watch. Then then tim first before we get into anything else. Tell me the story real quick about not winding up with the knicks. That killed me. It was it was a big wound up instead of. You got chris childs and i was like. Are you kidding if you give. Patrick ewing and charles oakley tim. Hardaway and allan houston or reggie miller. What a championship. What happened were you ever close to coming to the knicks. Did you want to go to the next. Well you know. The knicks was in the conversation with my My agent henry. Time is You know this is so and they signed chris. Childs assume is Courageously was was rated. They signed chris trials and that was the end of Us talk could even talk into the new york knicks and And i just stayed with the miami but I was looking to talk to me. Talk to the new york next but it never did have so you sound like you weren't gonna come. Actually you just wanna talk to them to jack the price up. Is that what you had actually carbon. Hey i would have if they If they if they would offered me You know something. I would i i probably would have been. There probably would have been a new york. Knick you know at that particular time because you know pat. He was wanted to go after Gary payton and some other guys and You know you can always knew that he always had me. You know because. I was their free agent. You know in the back pocket so That's the way that it went like now. You know you look at all the other free agents you try to get them. You try to see what you get then you come back to you your guy so yeah that drives me nuts. Tim hardaway allan. Houston larry johnson charles. Oakley patrick ewing who've and maybe could have done something all right Tim speaking about coming back to your own guy. Almost a quarter billion. But my thing. Tim is you know they played. They played milwaukee cheap when they let brogden go so now they can't use him as as a trading thing at trading asset. I love me. Some drew holiday but they botched the brogden. The sorry Bogdanovich deal so now it's drew holiday and and Chris middleton and jaanus. I don't think that's enough. Tim like i saw drew a great all playoff performer. But i saw him with a. They didn't get close Do you think this is win. A chip with milwaukee that they put the right pieces around him. You know i mean Brogden i don't know why he didn't come. I don't know why he went to free agency Yet i guess you got more money But What you know best is right. And he knew what he had to do and Getting traded to. Milwaukee wasn't going to give him the right money And i think you know He's a great situation i can. I can't be mad. You trae young and the atlanta hawks. They put some beautiful together. So i cannot be mad at. Www so stay. Braga bogdonovich right. Yeah brought down see. I cannot be mad at him. You know i. I i mean wow you know. He wasn't great. But you know. I think Jaanus is very committed to his organization to the city of milwaukee and to His ball players and I why wouldn't it took that long to sign that deal and soon as soon as they to the supermax took it and You know and they don't do the right thing they're gonna try to get the pieces around him the kid him then to You know get them to the championship but you know he has to work on his jump. Shot you know i. I think that's the thing the only thing that's missing from his entourage of skills Is a jump shot. A mid range jump shot. Then let's move to of two to three point line but you know he had a real good day utah. John honest had a real jay. He'd be in the conversation for best player ever. He's seven feet tall with you. And i mean this this it just get it to you know at least thirty thirty thirty five percent. Fifteen could rank you know. I don't think he got thirty. Five percents fifteen for rent. I think is below that i think it was like twenty twenty five percent. You're a guy back in the day you're guy back in the day you take six seven threes a game and you hit thirty five percent of them like like you're one of the forerunners of the modern kinda game nowadays. Everyone's doing that putting your day. Very few guys did that and hit him at the percentage that you hit them. What made you decide. Like i'm gonna. I'm gonna shoot from out here. Well that that's the way to gain was at that time you know to to to to spread it out like like we had. We had a big man in in the lonzo morning. Four one an and we're doing the end and we cut we. We moved so if they go double team lonzo exactly what we ought to be and if they come out and and and guard us we we know how to swing it and we wanted it to the right people and that's all we did. We practice threes everyday hundred three hundred and fifty three three hundred. Three's a day just to get your rhythm just understand you know you're gonna shoot from on the court and And and and make them becoming to make them and You know at that particular time when we have so if we want voted to go ahead and do his thing down there they had to be afraid that we was gonna make threes and what we was making threes. There's always down there. One on one guest guest anybody. He could kill them. It was nothing that they could do once he once he was gonna wanna get somebody down low but we practice it just like now you know like you said we shot six threes game For sean shot six asimov Bam ball kief asking allergic guy. Haven't thought of it admitted but he could ball to tim. I want to get to other stuff before this segment ends. I want to ask you about your son. Tim hardaway junior. Now i'd be be honest. I'm not gonna say something different. 'cause you're here i say the same thing i thought early on he's overrated. People are acting like he's an all star. They're acting like his father. he can do a few things. But i don't know and i gotta tell you something. He has become the player. I think that people were saying he already was a couple years ago. In my estimation he can shoot from the outside. It can do a lot of things. His defense has become underrated. The whole thing. And i look at the team. He's on. I see guys like i mean. Obviously luca is a superstar. I think he's gonna win. Mvp this year. I think people sleep on a healthy porzingas. He's i think of course incas healthy. It keeps getting better. He's going to be impossible seven for three. All the things you can do. But even guys like during an fini's smith and maxi clear. These are toll long defenders who can also bombed from the outside. I they got richardson. Who's more of a d. And three guy that a three d guy. But i look at the mavs. And i'm like if porzingis stays healthy. These boys are going to be up problem like this year. What do you think about your son's team this year. I think my son's saying they had a great chance. I think that they all stay healthy That's that's the key theme staying healthy Big will make hay in the western conference. A lot of people don't understand my son was hurt. You know a couple of years. And now he's at one hundred percent now and he's shown his athleticism adversity. And whether you can do out there on the court and Showing people that he could score he could take tobacco and he can be a playmaker to and he's long and athletic and play defense so You know right now. He's healthy a lotta people was down on a lot of people Was like you know. I don't know. I don't know i don't know but they don't know that he was hurt so and i always told them say once you get help you once you become one hundred percent you don't be an all star to me you're going to be an all star by the when he never thought he wasn't a real player is what he was getting paid versus the production. I was like i don't know. But he's justifying. Now and what math i could say that about a lotta guys out there that they paid and and don't and not justify foil so i'd go back and forth with a lot of guys then i can name them but i'm not gonna do that because i'm like well why am i am. I'll i know that's my gosh. That's your job that's your job. That's your job. I'd say this In lucas and mvp category. Yes he had a chance to win. Mvp i mean he plays at a different beat and everybody but we also understand. He's been playing like this since we've been thirteen years old going men and playing at a high level since you spoke in years old and And poisoning this man. You know if he stays healthy. I mean this guy's leonard they just have. They all have to stay healthy tim. This is what i'm saying about starting five right when i think that's starting five. I'm like they're playing small ball but with real size like zinc got paul skills. Seven cleveland six ten door to me. That's the best lineup. luca with the born. His hands your son off ball cleber and and and smith in the front court with with with porzingas at center. I think that might be the best starting five or at least the best unit the nba of starting fives. If they're healthy. That's impossible if they help. That's impossible you right. Iran a guy that distinct from the from the seventy sixers in. Richardson nestling spark to real. Good so yeah they. They got a good chance. That's if they stay healthy. And i hope they stay healthy because they come back and mid january. That's don't be the great tim. Hardaway ladies and gentlemen the man who should have been a nick all tim. Hardaway allan houston with alan. Houston patrick ewing and charles. Oakley it kills me. It kills me but it was instead. It was chris childs. Don't get me started with the next point guards. Trading mark jackson trading rod strickland for the remains of maurice cheeks i. I'm so glad. I'm not a knicks fan anymore after two losses consecutively or the pittsburgh steelers in my power rankings. Are the top five at one theft. That's dan was white once last thing. Why running with elite. Qb's russell kenneth on t. d.'s. Across nova step behind. Don't need to watch out because you know dance with the dirty thirties to push. Does bruce lee got the crew on deck g. Do no one else goes deeper as the espn app download. Now the max kellerman show the podcast got a new team in the power rankings. You can reach me at eight say. Espn eight eight eight seven nine. Three seven six every day. I say raj. I want to get to lots of phone calls today. And he says. Max forget the people forget. What do you call them. Commoner's raj. I resent that. Yeah yeah something like object to that and give them a chance. I say no. I'm a man of the people. And i want to talk to them. Raj just wants his picture up on. Espn plus must be the only other person who talks on the show pennzoil synthetic motor oils are made from natural gas gives you unbeatable engine protection. The proof is in the pennzoil based on sequence four a test using sa e five w thirty no bias. I really liked football. Just the facts. Don't get crooked year. What i'm saying access. Nfl power rankings. Incidentally if i mentioned have i mentioned the espn radio is presented by progressive insurance. Not there you're doing his job but that's okay. let's get started. Have five five last week. You had dropping all the way down there after a law so after another loss. I'm a little concerned would have got. What are you got. Everyone's overreacting to the steelers. Losing i told you ahead of time. This is the tough part of their schedule. Forget about the fact they have you know they have a key part of their defense hurt now but the tough part of their schedule and they were messed around with kobe dan to lose their byerly with the titans and then they got a mini by. That was messed around because of the ravens covert and so they played four games in one thousand nine hundred as not only. They played three and thirteen. They had a short week. Were on short rest. And so predictably they lost and facing a tough team. Predictably they lost. That was not surprised. And because i told everyone. Don't overreact coming into this week. Rich steelers at fis is still there. I told you don't overreact. Swipe dropped them off my rankings. What that's right. They're gone there. I have the steelers six at five. The los angeles rams the rams are beaten. They shut down the patriots. The patriots were on a roll patriots. Like look at teams who beat other teams who are beating other good teams right. If a team wins four out of five against good opposition and and suddenly they're beaten by another team that's won four out of five against good opposition boy. The team that won that game has done something. And that's the ramps. They're really firing on all cylinders. Now and if keyshawn johnson said earlier on this show if jared not turning the ball over. That's a tough team to beat. They got a real good young coach. They have a at least league average quarterback and a guy capable of doing some good stuff and a balanced attack with a lot of receivers cam. Akers get it done obviously and a defense as talented any this side of chicago's so i got the rams at five and i may even have them a little bit low there. Okay maybe a little bit low all right and the next one last week. You had the bills. Do you have for this week this week and a major shuffling of what i had last week. I have the bills. i couldn't. Yeah look the bills are coming off a good win. And they're a good team a very good team. And as i keep saying about josh allen not only does he have the best arm. This side of patrick mahomes or the biggest one at least this side of mahomes. He's mobile. he's athletic. You can see. His teammates will follow him. He's he's even media-friendly and says all the right stuff this guy you want as the face of your franchise. Now i'd say he's the third best quarterback in the afc. Behind patrick mahomes and to shawn watson and i've moved them ahead of lamar jackson. That's how much i think. When you look at the trajectory of his career touchdown to interception ratio twenty two year. Old one to one and they had a bad record. One to one interception ratio completed about fifty percent of his passes year two as a twenty three year old two to one touchdown interception ratio and he completed about sixty percent of his passes. We're in year three. And he's now three to one touchdown interception ratio twenty four year old. And he's completing about seventy percent of his passes he's the real deal and he's trending into a superstar but i have not been able to move him above four and coming up. I'll explain why okay we can't move speaking of that. Let's go to last weekend at the packers of green bay and number three. We have now the saints fall to three. And i couldn't skipped over the saints. And that's because the saints were upset by the eagles. You could forgive them for falling into a trap there. The eagles are awful with carson wentz. Now they're starting a backup who's obviously been so bad in practice that he couldn't get on the field. Even the wentz was the worst. Starting quarterback statistically in the nfl this year so you can forgive them for thinking all right. This is a team missing a lot of players. And they're terrible and they're starting their backup already but it was a trap. The eagles have been playing pretty good defense recently and and you saw that against seattle. They played their guts out on defense and they did it again against the saints but more importantly by jalen hurts simply not trying to do too much not turning the ball over not making stupid mistakes like carson wentz always does. He turned it over one time because they stood him up and someone punched the ball out of forgot who already but otherwise you know and it wasn't a lot you can do on that play. Otherwise he good didn't throw any interceptions. Didn't the ball had some nice running. Plays used his legs to create some threats miles. Sanders broke off a big run as a result and he completed. Some nice passes other than that though the saints defense has been ferocious. They've been the best in the nfl over the last month or so. And this is all without drew brees guys. I can't drop the saints below three. When they're doing this without drew brees and they lose a trap game to a bad team. Who's been playing better recently. I can't drop below three all right so that means the next one is we know who's number one. That's the juice. Let's go to number two. Who is it max. The green bay packers and by the way erin. Couple of things just happen. The packers are now at a game within the saints. If the packers can have a better record than the saints there's only one by one by this year each conference can the saints go on the road and beat the packers lambeau in the playoffs in the winter. I don't think that's going to happen. It is so important for the saints to get home field and they might not and to get the by and they might not because aaron rodgers at this moment considering that mahomes threw three interceptions and rogers the. Mvp right now you know. I think home the best quarterback. I've ever seen what the second best quarterback i've ever seen the the guy who i thought he replaced and it's close is aaron rogers and rogers's having one of the best seasons of career. He's now in the second year of a system with leflore and he still has his talent. Aaron rodgers is you know is he. The homes are in their own category. But i can't like i can believe mahomes is better by tiny little bit but i can't prove this year not right now. Not after the last game homes. Just three hundred ninety yards but three interceptions. What is arron rogers. Have on the entire season four picks and almost forty touchdowns he's having one of the greatest seasons of all time. And when you look at the packers roster on defense they're okay. They're not great on offense. They have some stuff but aaron rodgers is a lot of the reason the stuff they got. Look as good as does packers are second in the power rankings and the chiefs are still i because even when they have difficulty you just get the feeling that they're bored or that they're playing cat and mouse with the league. Packers might represent the nfc in the super bowl. Could you imagine a super bowl. Mahomes versus aaron rodgers. I miss someone on the power rankings. That i get it wrong. The max kellerman show podcasts. And i'll tell you tomorrow why the giants need to sit. Daniel jones can reach me. Eighty eight say. Espn eight eight eight. Seven two nine three seven seven six and it does not have to do with his future has with right now. You heard. I take good to hear your voice. I hear you throwing out here last. It's your last take today. How many takes you want of me then. Juicing me from i take some straight hours elliott in washington. What's your last week. Maximum i on your on match club before like Yeah what. I would like the the. There's a couple of things. The first thing is i would like to ask. Roger goodell that everyone who plays for a year football when they sign their contracts elliott. Let's go. let's go spit it out. I'm spitting at man. Okay did when when they play they. All the brands go to boston university. So they know what they're dealing with. They don't know what they're dealing with now. It's like tobacco really. Yeah they're saying that they want the helmets better and all that they got to know elliott. Here's the bottom line that's newsmax carbonation max. Kellerman nation can't pronounce only just hit. Just hit us up on the dr pepper call online saying that. Nfl players to donate their brains to you. Know be studied after their deaths. I guess it would be after their deaths. Speak i guess because of worries about brain damage from the nfl. Look tackle football. Stand for your health. We all know that the extent of the brain damage. We don't know exactly but we know cd is a real phenomenon. I was skeptical of. Cte as an excuse for bad behavior. Senator when i first heard about it but it's a real phenomenon it exists. Yeah if you get knocked in the head of bunch of time same thing and boxing. Ufc by the way there are dangerous jobs and consenting adults agree to be compensated for them and and do them. I mean this is when people say that that the capitalism is exploitative. That's right that's true. It exploits labor and it's the worst form of economy except for every other form of an economy right other than that. Capitalism is just the worst so the point is that people take risks when they take certain jobs and there's physical risk in the nfl. It's fair to say that you should know what the risks are exactly. But i think we know at a certain point people knew smoking. Cigarettes is bad for your health so was playing tackle football and all the players needs to donate their brains. A lot of people wouldn't wanna do anyway in order to figure that scott tueson in your on mexico and show yesterday in radio going. I have a quick question before the beginning of the season the browns had odds of three thousand one. So i figured hey who cares. I've got a thousand bucks off chance. They do win the super bowl man. I'm not gonna be looking at a couple of million. Oh how what were their odds. Wreath thousand to one thousand. There's no way you got three thousand to one odds. Three thousand to one is just what the where the kind that you you. You have a receipt saying you got three thousand to one odds on knowing that dude. I hope they win the super bowl for you my man. I can't believe that like how do they get any like too much of a risk to take on three thousand to one odds. The browns had talent. But if you actually got them if some sucker gave you three at such value it's ridiculous and the fact that you had the nerve to put a g down three thousand one odds. I put ten bucks down right. Okay look at this. I'm gonna make thirty grand on a ten dollar bets why. I don't believe that what you're telling me is true. But if you put a douse endow blah. I hope i'm rooting for the browns win. The super bowl just for you. News ra max kellerman asia scotches hit us up on the dr pepper call in line and claims if the browns win the super bowl is going to make three million bucks not a chest but i but it would be nice if that were true. A thousand or one out of three thousand one. I'll get into the daniel jones. All tomorrow max kellerman show espn radio. Thanks for listening to the max kellerman show make sure you subscribe rate and review. You can hear the show lot weekdays at two pm eastern on. Espn radio espn news. Or wherever you stream your audience.

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Change Is Coming

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Change Is Coming

"Interruption might robot world philosophies as Tony Do you have a life philosophy. I'm Tony Kornheiser kind. Grateful don't be physically intimate with the neighbors in the ranch house across. And Hey that's very specific. Well I didn't say it was Washington contender Delaware. Did I know I didn't I wasn't that. Is the house scores. That's the green is still Linda Blair spinning yes. Yes it is comedy yes three. It is the the two about that termites painted green. Because I didn't want anybody to particularly go that it's very that's why so little have other. PTI boys and girls. Today's episode the clippers. BEAT THE CELTICS MEMPHIS appeals. The James Wiseman suspension and Eric Weddell. Eh Won't snitch on the Ravens but we begin today with the allegation by myles Garrett Mason Rudolph aimed a racial slur at him before Garrett swung his helmeted Rudolf. This whole act is a week old and Garett had not publicly made this charge before Rudolph vehemently denied that he said any such thing. We'll bond what do you make make of all this. I don't know I don't know what to make of it. You know my original stance on this Rudolph should have been suspended a game anyway. Just trying to pull Garrett's head off but now Garrett Eric has alleged this and this is this is serious stuff I try to put myself in these situations particularly this one and if this was the inward if and somebody had thrown this me I would not wait a week I might. I might have swung the helmet and I'd be screaming bloody murder all the way off the field would probably try. Had to get them before we all left the field. That's just my reaction to what have might have happened if I had been called us. I don't know I don't we know what to believe. Okay so we are in a serious land mine area here racial yes and we should take our time and not jump to conclusions. My my sense of this whole thing is that that it would have leaked before this old somebody somebody else. I gotTA protect. Take me I mean you waited a long time to come out with this. I think it is incumbent upon the NFL or somebody else but I think the NFL if this charge was brought up in a hearing to reduce a penalty which by the way was not reduced and the NFL said that it found no evidence that this was said but if it was brought up before the NFL that way and all the stuff is out there. Today I think we have to know what the slur was. I think we have to have no no. I don't I don't know that we know I presume. I know everyone presumes that but I think we need to know what it was and then I would go into reporter mode and you might do the same thing I would go to every offensive lineman on the Pittsburgh Burke steelers and I would say at any time at any place did Mason Rudolph ever go near this. Because I need to know that and then I would go to everyone on the browns browns and I would ask in the interim has myles Garrett says said any thing like this to. I don't think we will ever know the the facts of this but the indication to me I believe get would've leaked. I believe we heard this before we leave. Having having been called that a time or two my life that I would have gone believed that the apology would've included. I gotTA apologized to Mason Rudolph now however area but it but what's that came out that's right I'm just I'm just that's right like to ride with the same way because I again. I know how I reacted in my life when this has happened. Let me ask you another question. What if this had been a black quarterback right because we're going down the racial slide? Yeah if it had been a black quarterback and that word that you think of right was uttered right would it have been. The same reaction was not a slur. Isn't that in his house if it had been a black quarterback the NFL with suspended him for a game. Now you want go ahead go ahead social after me but we got a lot of gifts. Yeah we do let's get to an NFL story with little different tone into with thankfully Eric Weddell played three years for the Ravens but now plays for the rams says. He will not divulge information against his former teammates. They may help his his current team ahead of their match. This coming Monday night. Where else says quote? I could tell them a lot of stuff but that's not just who I am. We're going to play get on the field and the best team is going to win. What kind of man would I be if I just turn my back on them? Close quote Tony. If you were Ram. What kind of man? Dan would he be to not help. His current employer win a football game. This is crazy eric. Weddell plays for the rams. That's his team gene. His exact come from the rams isn't come from the National Football League. Does Los Angeles coming older. Who might say if you don't WanNa tell me this? Maybe I don't want to pay you anymore. He played for the Ravens. They let him go for salary cap reasons he now plays for the rams if he has to wonder about this. Look at your helmet. Yeah Helmets got the ray of Horn on it. You have to. You have to help the rams this is not about your integrity this is about who you lining up with you know. There's a commercial on TV. It was on a while ago. Probably so corny. They got rid of it. And it talks about sportsmanship when a kid says no I actually does. He deserve this penalty initially not be called. And the coast congratulates him and people sit at home and go. What this reminds me of that? We don't I really want people to be sportsman. Because I kind of admired this. I have the same problem with it that you I'm conflicted here because if I'm your current employer this information's on on you. I need to know what I can no zone or to man-to-man so you'd better get in this in this film rule. Yeah but I kind of admire it because because we want people to bond and we would be great teammates and then we want them to immediately when they're traded turn on the guy they were in the Fox hole with it tells me what and it tells me the same thing that when Joe flacco was traded. T- sizzle left the Ravens. None of these people have a bad word about the ravens the Ravens Organization from the top from some Elsie long-lasting loyalty. That's those are part of you. Think the Weddell is kind of cool for saying this is a man of principle. He's got some sportsmanship it's Michigan. He's getting paid by the other team's gotTa help the team's gotta pay healthy just you just a mercenary no matter what you do these brothers. You're out there together. You link arms gotTA dealer the Clippers. I put Paul George and Kawhi Leonard on the floor together for the first time last night and they beat the Celtics in overtime. George and Leonard Played Twenty seven minutes together during which time the clippers were plus plus eleven but the Celtics got into overtime one of their best players. Gordon Hayward his hurt we'll have on which team should be more encouraged. By this more encouraged the the celtics have no reason to be discouraged. I specifically watch the Celtics reaction immediately after the final buzzer when they lost and I noticed Jason Tatum was going around being encourage and they were patting each other. All right we lost this game a loss as a loss on run on the road but this time we cooked in deep I I think they both have reason to be encouraged. The clippers are going to get better. I mean there's some things and Paul George didn't really interact offensively. They EH didn't run pick a role involving each other. They didn't have dribble handoff dated do the kinds of things that timing will allow them to do in six weeks. So of and the clippers. I feel very good and I'm not even looking at the Celtics which would be in the NBA Finals One more rigorous than game. I'm looking at the CO tenant. The Lakers so I'm sorry three that I live in the eastern. I'm old and go to sleep because this game. Well you that's you you're the one in a million now. I think I might have liked to have seen this game. Yeah I think. The more encouraged team would be the clippers for these particular points They were down by ten minutes to go in the game. They got to overtime and then they close them out. They close at a good team and defensive. Plays by the way where it's important we each beverly and ultimately this is it's like I sit and I watched the Washington Wizards score one hundred eighty and give up one hundred ninety two on a nightly basis. So when I look at a game that is under a hundred going going into overdrive I think. Wow that looks like an interesting because it Wa- Watch it was a great game. Tony and let's go back to Patrick Beverley because he understands stands that with these two guys on the floor. He now has to do certain things to take advantage of their presence. The the space it allows him. And I I. I am fascinated by the clippers with these two guys. I hope they are able to play fifty five sixty games together. We're already into the season yesterday. Stay up you know. It's you know you know a nap. Something Matthew was updated he was eleven he got the halftime. I shut him down. I was eleven one hundred years. It's only let's move college basketball in this. James Wiseman drama. The Memphis Center suspended. This week says he and the school going went to appeal to twelve game. Eleven thousand five hundred dollars penalty imposed by the NC Double A.. His coach Hardaway said he thought the Twelve Games was ridiculous. Ridiculous pet forty reports of Memphis could be facing a major infractions case. Wow tone even if they cooperate. Do you think Memphis is closer to the end or the beginning of his troubles. Wise minutes closer to the end casinos gone. Yeah he knows that going. On with a total of twelve games he gets back from much of the conference stuff off the NCAA he plays in the NCAA and then he says I'm out of here I'm going to the NBA where it's going to be a lot easier to pay back the eleven thousand dollars. That's how alchemy hard it. All you have to worry about Memphis and I worry about Penny Hardaway. This is a deliberately antagonistic thing that they have done to the NCAA even appealing this thing. In the way they have talked about. It is deliberately antagonistic. And I think you know what I don't know if Penny Hardaway's great coach yet but I think it looks like he's a great recruiter. And I think the coaches in his conference and in his area wouldn't mind at all if the NCAA came back at him and so you think you're above the law was a slap you. You would some sort of suspension here. We're GONNA let Mr Weisman. Goes Mary Way. We'll have a little difference of approach here because if I was penny hardaway more importantly vows to Memphis president in the AH director and whoever runs the Memphis I will look at the NC Double A.. And that was go to hell straight to hill. WE'RE NOT GONNA cooperate. They joined that Nintendo. No Emily rose. We've seen teams. We've seen schools try and get away with it. Get Away with it. They have no power of subpoena the NC Double A.'s. Right I would say to them one more time. Have you our by elation go to hell and now now just isn't who give me no incentive to sit him for the twelve games. I'M GONNA put him back out there for every game. What are you GONNA do? You're catch me if you can Barney Fife you can't. This is your position all the time. It is not shared by the overwhelming overwhelming majority of schools that belong to the NCAA share something like that. They'll say the Penny Hardaway Hella Walk. And you're not gonNA coach. How eligible did they threaten Tart in Vegas and how many times they actually get him get him once once? Yeah I mean that takes one. How many times down voluntarily the Texans played for first place in the AFC south tonight? which team do you trust? More somebody with the fixer. Yeah what's the word for Lucas Johnson. Just performance against the DUB last night Penny Hardaway's not Jerry Tarjanian. He's not gonNA call these times. Aren't those talks. Aw Jerry live with GEICO presents. Not again another voicemail from your roommate. Hey man so I was in a rush rush to get to work and I left the back door open. Could you shut it. Lifted Wide Open. A while. You're there could you also turn off the oven and all of the burners. My mom never never let me use the oven. I wonder why the Geico Insurance Agency could help. Keep your personal property protected. Like if it's your roommate's first time operating in oven visit GEICO GEICO DOT COM to see how easy it is to switch and save on Renter's insurance a time to fill in some blanks and what's the word let's get the first one. The producer over the loudspeaker will be blank. If the colts beat the Texans for a second time tonight it will be revealing because it would mean to me that Indianapolis is getting more out of its talent than Houston is because I used it has more Allan Houston should win this game because number one the best run on on Indianapolis Marlin mce broken hand. He's not gonNA play a number two. It's in Houston if the Shawn Watson where to have a second straight bad game because he was not that great against the Ravens that would get people off that bandwagon a little bit. I gotTa tell you. I'm I'm very surprised by Indianapolis Itchy. Kobe came into charanjit locks. And they've been this inning of the year. This is a first place game. It would be damning in particularly of the Texans if they coming off a beatdown loss to the ravens. Then lose at home. Yeah they must division game sort of double digit games in now. We are getting must and it will be damning if the Houston Texans who always think less of of the new. You seem to have talented town going to particularly disappointing now at this stage where they have veteran teams and they have a capable quarterback back more than capable on it and they ought to win that's Libyan bells foul not to let the NFL tested for H.. H again is blank. It is poking poking the bear. I understand that Lebanon Bell doesn't want these HGH tests because they're invasive. Because they are blood tests and I understand that he's upset because apparently the NFL he says has tested him five times in the last weeks for hgh but this is the nfl they can pull you out of line and test you every every two hours. If they want to do that and levy on belly and his career was suspended for drug use was he not at some point so to me. That's just show. Don't you that you will get tested more often. Okay and that's why his vow is hollow is compl- first of all. He objected after they did it once and they come back a second time. He was annoyed after a second time. Come back a third. He was frustrated and angry after three. How about at number four and we can keep going then get to double digits right? You can say whatever he wants. His vow is Hollow Nancy. Luca Danni which which put on a black performance last night. My Word is predicted. Luca Danni. He's no secret he wasn't a secret for years he. He played professional basketball in Europe when he was really liking this teen years old he was the MVP League got in this league and he was the rookie of the year and now he's an MVP candidate in this league he is. He's perhaps talking. Tim Lender referred him today as a potential transformational player. People compare pair him to Larry Bird this. This is what you waited for with this guy. Yeah Tony and that's why it's what you wait for and it's what you go for and it reminds me of someone we'll get to in a second. The word is virtuoso because when you go to see look dodge now all of a sudden you know. We're like going to see Michael Jordan played and you went because it was like theater. I'm not comparing his skills. That were sounded like you know you. Put them in the whole sentence with Michael Jordan. This sentence listen English Major. Okay this sentence. When Michael Jordan showed up to ninety showed up every night right there was no load management? Never let you down. And he performed he gave you this. Yeah Look Donncha just giving you vis every night virtuoso. He used them in the same sentence net last one. It's blanked the white sox signed. He has money Grondahl to a four for years. Seventy three million dollar deal. It's no collusion. No collusion this is a really good contract for GRONDAHL. This is more some people thought GRONDAHL was going to get in recent years. It hasn't been this kind of market for a Catcher in major league baseball on a regular basis. So what I'm thinking is. If this this is the way free agency is going to go. Nobody can look at owners and say that they are artificially depressing the market. And if I was Anthony Ren Donor Stephen Strasburg. I'd be very very happy and I. You know what we're looking. I'm looking at specific to the white socks. This is closing in at the White Sox made this dog committed this signing and this amount of money to Grondahl the white sox think they're closing part of what they got in their lineup. They got Moncada. They got Manderson they got they got him in and now they got grondahl. That's five guys. They got more. They gotTA lineup. They can crush it okay. And they're looking at the people cross town who didn't make the playoffs and they're saying we're coming to get to you then and wins in on each your words by the words where you put Jordan in the same sense Donncha frank still to come to the Patriots ancient. Really be thinking about reaching back out Antonio Brown and Joel embiid right to Ben Simmons is first. NBA Three was nothing special. He's right Dallas leading the league in attendance. You know why because it's like feeder you're going to see the kid. Does He. Went to the old Chicago Stadium doing that for the the show. Everybody the matter. WHO's out there? That's why it's like Jordan. You fulfill the sentence or write a take time. People Happy Fiftieth Birthday. Ken griffey junior onset. Ken Griffey Juniors. If the kid is fifty wilpon I know we're all but we just got that much older. Ken Griffey is lifting simply one of the greatest baseball players of all time. He has six hundred thirty homers. I was never accused the steroids. He was spectacular fielder. The only sadness attached to his career is that he never got into a world series. Tony realize if not for injuries injuries from playing hard he might have had seven fifty or more and by the way his boss wings is pretty his baseball. Happy Anniversary Mystery Michigan State on this day four years ago the ninth ranked spartans upset number three Ohio state in Columbus continuing their march to an eventual college football. All playoff appearance while everybody talks about what has happened in Michigan with Jim Harbaugh Michigan State has fallen down the bowl. Michigan State is eleven and twelve last two two years mark. Dantonio says he will be back to coach the spartans next year but another year like the last two that might be not so fast. Tony looked teams. have to rebuild their tough conferences. Essences not everybody's Alabama Clemson was in a mostly a non conference. They just hang around forever of the top happy trails Jacoby Ellsbury. The Yankees released tells bree yesterday with one year and twenty six million dollars left on the seven year. One hundred fifty three million dollar deal. He signed in two thousand thirteen Ellsbury. He has not played at all since the two thousand seventeen. Al Cs due to a variety of injuries including hip surgery and ends his time with the Yankees playing. Just five eight hundred twenty out of a possible eleven hundred hours before games name on the guy was a great player. He's thirty six. Do you think anybody picks him up. Maybe for the minimum. You can do that and take a chance to see if his body can rest and get back in the kind of condition. It used to be because four while. They're Tony I mean he was pretty good player really really good player. We're running gotTA show and we go to the big Christian four am ee. I says the Patriots have had discussions about Antonio Brown. Would he help. Can you help from a suspended list. Because that's what he'd like. I believe that's where he'll be. Yeah Ben Simmons finally hit a three hundred and seventy second NBA game. Is that a big deal okay. He's six it's ten. He scores inside because guards can't stay with him inside. I don't want to say the threes overrated but not. Everybody has to hit ten. Three's again not everybody. The Miami Heat or ten and three you buying in undefeated home and they got players like my man Kendrick Nande Disgrace Scout. They they give players and developing yes. I'm all in Miami number one duke and Cowan. MSG tonight both teams a foreigner who yet got. Of course. I'm going to take do. I mean it's almost a home game for to do Mattison Square on Roosevelt last one laces expectations for Carmelo at twenty. He may have to be the high volume shots. Twenty shots twenty points. Twenty four point that made more sense. We're out of time. 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Turning back the clock

The Stephen A. Smith Show

21:12 min | 2 years ago

Turning back the clock

"I think smoking always affected my daily life because I was a closet smoker. It really sort of controlled my entire day. My boss is the one that recommended jewel. So I decided to give it a try. You don't get any of the odor of smoking. There's no ash all over your car. I would say give it a try get the flavor and satisfaction of smoking without the mess of cigarette. Asher lingering odor. Switch to Joel check OJ dot com slash sports. If you don't smoke Vate don't start warning. This product contains nicotine nicotine is an addictive chemical. You'll seem to the Stephen a Smith show podcast talk. Brought to you by straight talk wireless. Best phones. Best networks, no contracts. We saw what happened last night. We saw it at the NBA was percolating. Everybody was a veal. Good feel good move. I wouldn't use the word festive. But it certainly appeared that way in Minnesota where Derrick rose who were looked like the Derrick rose that used to play with the Chicago Bulls came out there put on the show. Never did that for the Knicks indefinite aches. So they didn't do that in Cleveland last year. But definitely did it last night for the Minnesota Timberwolves. He was absolutely spectacular. Dropping fifty points attacking the whole vigor. He was balling. No question about it. And you saw de way tweeting about them. Lebron James tweeted about both teammates of his in Cleveland last year for short stint before he had to take a leave of absence from the team. But the bottom line is is that the Derrick Derrick rose of last. Night. It was something special to see it really really was. He was absolutely fantastic. And when you looked at the way that he played against the Utah, Jazz and away. He outshot everybody on the floor. It was a complete attack moat all night long. It was incredibly impressive to see. It really was is the first time he scored forty plus point since March eighteenth two thousand and eleven and and some would argue is the first time he's looked like that since two thousand eleven he hasn't been that person. He has a look that way. People bring that stuff up. And it's the kind of thing that makes you say, wow. Wow. You know, you get two trains and thoughts on one hand you're sitting there and you're saying. Where the hell was this guy? Oh, what might have been? If it weren't for the injuries on the other hand, you're saying can you depend on him moving forward. And here's where I get torn with somebody like him because you see you gotta understand something first of all athletes human beings. They have lives they have feelings they have emotions they have all of these things that you know, we we we don't talk about enough unless it's negatively. But in the case of Derrick rose, let's be very very clear about something one of the nicest guys you'll ever meet. He really really is. Nice guys, a professional athlete. He's a nice guy. He's not hard to root for the problem is is that he turned a lot of people off in the city of Chicago when he was talking about being healthy enough and not jeopardizing his ability to walk around with his kids when they graduate from college or high school. And it was still relatively young. So everybody's like what the hell? Are you talking about what you just signed a ninety three million dollar contract? Nobody wants to hear that coming out of your mouth. That's utterly ridiculous. And as a result people turned against him and looked at it with a raised eyebrow. And said what the hell is this? But along the way what we forgot is this. Derrick rose is still one of the better players in the NBA. It's four hundred and fifty plus players in the National Basketball Association Derrick rose in the bottom two fifty or two twenty five he's not in a bottom half of that. Derrick rose. Is not a bad basketball player. A matter of fact at any given moment, he's very explosive and electrifying. It's just that we were. So accustomed to seeing him do that when he was younger. That the minute. We didn't see that anymore. We said he has nothing when in fact, that's not the case. He's just not what it used to be. And I got news fio- somewhere along the line. Probably within the next two or three years. We may find ourselves saying the same thing about Russell Westbrook because he will you talk about the game basketball. And you talk about what guys bring to the table. You gotta keep something in mind here when your success is predicated on on your athleticism things like your speed. You're your hops, you're jumping ability, etc. When those kind of things. Oh, what instigate? Your success? You're going to have a shorter span than most see what makes a body like Steph curry special and lazy gentleman. I'm here to tell you right now if the season what an end today's obviously just the first couple of weeks of the season. But if the season would end today. Steph. Curry is my MVP not the Greek freak. Not Anthony Davis. Not LeBron James. Not kuwa- Linnet. It would be Steph curry. Everyone talk about Greek freak Milwaukee. The only undefeated team in basketball, the Greek freak is averaging twenty seven and ten fifty two percent shooting. He six tank it gets it a hold. It will can finish it the basket. He's a terror in open court, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, all of that is true. My simple response to all of that. Is this have you been watching Steph curry play this year? Have you been paying attention? Ladies and gentlemen, Steph curry. The two Tom league MVP Steph curry. The yacht realize he's averaging thirty three game. Do y'all realize that Steph curry is averaging thirty three again a game on fifty five percent shooting from the field. And fifty three percent shooting from the three point line. Later, gentlemen, I'm gonna say this again. 'cause I don't think somebody you understand what the hell I'm saying. Steph curry. But three-time champion the reigning to top defending champion. Golden State Warriors the capita that team. That Steph curry who six three the baby face assessing the greatest shooter I have ever seen in my life. That Steph curry. The I realize he's averaging thirty three points on fifty five percent shooting and fifty three percent from three point range and ninety one percent from the free throw line. He ain't going to the basket and finishing with high percentage dunks. He's pulling up from thirty. Thirty. Do you understand that Steph curry pulls up from forty? Nobody's going to say the US a bad shot. Do you have any idea? How ridiculous this marksmanship is this man. Gimme whoever you want. Give me Ray Allen. Give me Reggie Miller. Give me Allan Houston. Bring our guys today's game. Like, the great Klay Thompson, Bradley Bill or somebody go old school on me. Go Larry Bird. Go Ricky Pierce, go Dale Ellis. Go downtown, Freddie Brown. You want to bring in a mid range game. Hell let's bring Philly into the equation throw. Andrew Toney into the mix. Who was a two point shoot another three point shooter. But my God what an incessant as a scorer MO cheeks, Dr J, Julius Erving Bobby Jones and Darryl dog. Is there win no championship without Andrew Toney? Go look them up. You could bring whatever shooter you want. You could go ask my buddy a man that I loved like, a father figure the great Sonny hill the basketball aficionado in Philadelphia. And if there's somebody that was a better shooter he'll bring up somebody like Gail Goodrich. What else he'll know? He's forgotten more basketball than most of us know, I don't even think he could come up with a better shooter there Steph curry. Let me not forget his daddy. Dell curry. He's got those genes his little brother's in Portland. But let me be very very clear to you. Steph. Curry is the greatest shooter I've ever seen on my fifty one years on this planet earth. I've never seen a shoot a graded at Steph curry ever in my life ever. It's never happened ever. I didn't say it west player because I don't think he's better than Kevin Durant. I think Kevin Durant wanna top three players in the world. But in terms of purely shooting, the basketball, and you could make an argument that Klay Thompson is a catch and shoot shooter. Then Steph curry, okay, fine. I'm talking overall catches you off the dribble fall in a way. Stationary mid range law rage corners, perimeters, keys, whatever. In terms of the entire arsenal. That is placed before our very eyes. I have never in my life. A greater shoot. Steph curry. Ever ever? And I say all of that to you to say. I guess that's what makes last night. So special. For Derrick rose. Because when you see Derrick rose drop his fifty oh Steph curry by where he just had a little thirty seven points last night. I guess do all these Anthony Davis Essel EA's about thirty seven. There's nothing w. Matter of fact, ladies gentlemen, do you know last week Steph curry dropped fifty and three quarters on the Washington Wizards. That's a bit. Is this just fifty points is Steph? You know, what Steph curry is that natural to this, man. He's that special. Derrick rose special for a different reason. When we look at it. And we sit up there and say, hey, he's going through a lot personal things. It's none of our business. Co-course covering the NBA. We hear thanks. We hear a lot of things when it comes to people's personal life. I don't go there. None of my business. You ain't in a police blotters ano- ready in the news. I got nothing to say that show business as a basketball player. Derrick rose can be electrified. But he does have you thinking he does have you taken about what's he going to do? How long is he going to let you know? What else they got him thinking about? Okay. What does that do the Jimmy Butler? Nothing. You can't go for one game and look at Derrick rose and talk about what he's going to do because you got to surmise or -ssume that he's going to stay healthy. And we all know better than that. He's not going to not. If you log him more minutes and put it on the floor night in night out. Derrick rose is not durable. It's not he's not durable. So guess what? That's not gonna happen. You can't look at Derrick rose. And he's just gonna last that doesn't work that way. And speaking of anything, let me tell you the right now, I'm sick and tired of Jimmy Butler. Everybody missing the story. Jimmy butler. Jimmy Butler will love to be a New York knick. He wouldn't by being a Brooklyn net. He wants to go someplace place where somebody's going pale. You the New York Knicks. You can't because you gotta make sure you got enough money available in case kyri or Kevin Durant decide they wanna come to New York not to say that that's going to happen. But the mere possibility that it could happen me during a position where you the New York Knicks. You can't make a move. You can't compromise your cap space one big. One bit and jeopardize not not having the money to have available for those guys. Can't do that. You gotta make sure you could get those guys. At least one of them you going to have about thirty five or thirty seven million available and cap space. If you're the New York Knicks, you gotta have room for one of those folks. But I do for you even though Jimmy bell is no Kevin Durant, even though Jimmy Butler is no superstar Nestle Jimmy Butler is a special player. He's got the heart of a lion. He plays on both sides of the ball. He's averaged about twenty four game. He's improved his three point shooting and his overall perimeter shooter. He hits like six or seven for three point range the other night against the Lakers. On threes. Jimmy Butler is a special player. And when you consider the way he stormed into practice after he wasn't traded before the season began and was just in guys faces and calling dudes out. And then a very duty called out. He then got the third stringers and beat the stars. That's pretty damn embarrassing. But that's what he did. That's what Jimmy Butler did. And now you got people send up there talking about. Well, call Anthony towns gain is affected by the friction or the -versity of of Jimmy Bulloch. Get the hell over it. I of all I don't believe it. And Secondly, I don't care if it's true. Now, call Anthony towns at twenty five or sixteen I think it was last night is that number. I know you had twenty five last, but he put up similar numbers against the Lakers. The other night to that was with Jimmy Butler on a flop believe at twenty five and sixteen he bawled out last night. But obviously the story was Derrick rose. But call Anthony towns the face of that franchise. I got a lot of love for call. Anthony towns, I think he could ball onto estimated him. I thought Jalil Okeafor will be in this class. Boy was I wrong about that. John Calipari hit him at Kentucky. We didn't know all the things that call Anthony towns could do and here's a special player. No question. But if you got a guy like Jimmy Butler question the guys will to win. Guess what? I wanna see. I wanna see call Anthony towns coming out and fighting like a pit bull saying Jimmy Butler, who the hell you think you all this is my team. And we could throw down anytime you want to this is my Dan teen. I'm the one that's the face of this franchise. Call Anthony Townsend into that. There. We got Andrew Wiggins. I mean, you got cats basically talking about how teams feel all he cares about is money. Now fairness to Andrew Wiggins. I don't know him. I don't know that to be the case about him. And last night when Derrick rose exploded Anthony Wiggins was one of those dues that seemed real real happy about it. I happy about it for him, which shows the unselfish this that you want to see from guy getting paid twenty seven million a year from you. That's true. That's factual. But in the end, you got guys that were happy for Derrick rose, you got Gaza. Minnesota trying to come together. I don't give a damn how much they come together. You don't have enough to win and this notion everybody's talking about Jimmy Butler is being selfish. Well, let me tell you something you're Dan, right? You're damn right. He's being selfish. What do you think is? It's all calculated. And this is why I don't get mad at him. Listen to what I'm saying. Jimmy Butler is not engaging in the kind of selfishness where it it. It's like a temper tantrum, and he can't control himself. So you know, what? Oh my goodness. He has to go. No Jimmy Butler wants to go. He knows what teams he's willing to go to. But he also has enough pride in intestinal fortitude. Where he ain't gonna go out on a court and play like straight garbage on purpose. He's going to show you what a big top play is because he loves the game, and he loves to compete, and he ain't bow down to anybody. But he does not want to be in Minnesota so of his body's aching and he wants tonight night off. He doesn't mind. If he's going to be a distraction to call Anthony towns, somebody his attitude is hell would it deal with it? 'cause y'all know I don't wanna be here. It's not that he wants them to play like garbage. He feels they should be strong enough to overcome some kind of adversity. He's doing it on purpose. And my point is I don't know. What's happened to us? What the hell has happened to us. Let me ask you this question. John both JC and John by produce. My boy, can I ask a question Nuno. You listening to me cattle. You listening to me I watch listen to me right here. My team have we ever had thanksgiving together. We don't have thanksgiving dinner together. Have we how about Christmas gifts and we had an exchange Christmas? We've never done. I mean, I've given y'all gives you haven't given me a damn thing with as a different story for another day. The point is we have not exchanged Christmas gifts. But we don't have a problem working together. Who the hell says that everybody's got a hug one another and stink cool by in order to do their damn jobs. See this is the problem with America does softening that Kleenex tissue. Ing of America that Saadam problem politics corporate, America, sports, world, and beyond wool. Why are we gotta get a low? I don't get me wrong. Don't be flagrantly disrespectful to the point where you can't work with each other. But if you don't particularly like each other or you are you engage in challenging one another. So what? So what? I don't think that Jimmy Butler has to get out of Minnesota. Because all my goodness. He's a bit abrasive. I think Jimmy Butler has got to get out of Minnesota because he doesn't want to be there. And when somebody sits there and says to you I want out get them out. Get them out. That's what I'm saying. That's how I feel about it. And I think anybody's smart, they would feel the same way to who was the last time you checked your credit scores. Now what they are now now from a year ago with credit karma. Learn what affects your scores and what you can do to improve them. Maybe you need to dispute a narrow on your credit report, or maybe you're paying too much interest. Credit karma could help with that. Is there unclaimed money and your name use credit common? Check. Once you know, where you stand credit karma helps you figure out your next move. They even offer free credit monitoring. So visit credit karma dot com or download the app now that's credit karma dot com. It eight say ESPN, it's seven to nine seven seven six. You're listening lobbyist even name on ESPN radio. ESPN news. 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LeBron James and the Miami Heat: From Champions to Breakup to NBA Finals Opponents

ESPN Daily

29:01 min | 6 months ago

LeBron James and the Miami Heat: From Champions to Breakup to NBA Finals Opponents

"This is, of course, the organization's first trip back to the finals since two thousand fourteen, you had a player. Then by the name of Lebron James, you will now be facing him in the NBA finals. What is that going to be? A great storyline, right? Can you let us enjoy this for a little bit right now this is hard to do. It's hard to get to this point and I want our guys to recognize acknowledged it enjoy it or at least a night, and then we'll get onto that tomorrow. Well coach spoke tomorrow has arrived. The NBA Finals Start, tonight? Though the match up between the Lakers and the heat is one that pretty much. No. One saw coming. It's given us one of the best storylines in playoff memory. Today we go inside the tense relationship between Lebron James and Miami with the reporter who's covered. Lebron longer than anyone ESPN's Brian Windhorst and learn the surprising reason why the marriage of Lebron and Pat Riley. was destined to fail. I'm Pablo tour. It's Wednesday September thirtieth. This. HIS ESPN? Brian Windhorst you have spent I think the last decade of your life trying to establish successfully establishing by the way that you are a lot more than the Lebron guy after knowing and covering him longer than any other human being in our business dating back to your high school days in Akron and then even through the time you famously up and moved to Miami to cover him there. So I just want to begin by apologising for pulling you back into the orbit of the same son we've been worshiping for now seventeen years well I wouldn't be here but for Lebron I, extraordinarily fortunate to meet him when He. Was Fourteen years old his move to Miami in open the door for me to come to ESPN. So I, Oh, Lebron immensely, and while all of us want to spread our wings as we get older certainly would never shy away from or or tire from looking at this this guy because he's been influential character in my life and thankfully and influential character in the history of the NBA. Yeah. That was incredibly well said but now it's time to get super messy because in this case in this series where there are so many different interesting storylines and angles, it does feel like past might be prologue. I want to go back ten years now. It is July ninth, two, thousand and ten and Lebron James is introduced to heat fans for the first time along with Dwayne Wade and Chris. Bosh introduced to the NBA really for the first time as this big three and Lebron is asked about his plan for winning championships in Miami. Three kings came down here to win championships. Not One championship to Lebron. Tell us about that not too on. Now. Now by. Not. Fix. So at that moment. How did the Miami Heat See Lebron era playing out? Pat Riley thought that that was. The Greatest Dynasty team that he had ever been able to be a part of. Better than magic and Kareem and James Worthy. Better. Than Shack and Dwayne Wade better than the hopeful teams that he had with the next with Patrick Ewing and Allan Houston John starks. He thought this was one of the greatest teams in the history of the NBA. He saw a horizon for a decade where they would be in the finals year after year after year and maybe they wouldn't win it every year and maybe they wouldn't win five six or seven Lebron said, but they would rack up. It was going to be his sunset team. He was going to ride this dynasty out and then go into the sunset and it was an incredible for years. It was one of the most prolific four year runs in the history of the NBA, but it wasn't that dynasty and Pat. Riley, has never one hundred percent ever gotten over. So. Let's unwind that a little. I want to dig into the psyche of Pat Riley, the president of the heat because in twenty fourteen when the branch shocked the world by announcing that he'd returned to Ohio after four seasons and two titles with the heat. Remind me how that news was received inside the Miami. Heat Organization. Poorly. It's important to realize timing. Lebron didn't give his decision until about July eighth or ninth and. These days in a typical in the calendar year, we often see all of the business wrap up by July. Fourth. The fact that it happened. So late in the free agent process that it put the heat in a bad position, and so they were angry on a number of levels. They were even angry about their draft, pick? Pablo because. Lebron had tweeted around the draft that his favorite player in the draft was this point guard Connecticut's Shabazz Napier yes. The immortal Shabazz Napier right and on draft night the heat traded up traded three picks to draft Shabazz Napier. Under the assumption I guess that. Up to get buzz napier would sweeten the pot entice Lebron to stay the drawing card of Shabazz. Navy. And it led to the relatively infamous comment the following year when Pat Riley was talking about getting ready for the team's draft or smiling faces with hidden agendas. Okay. So We'll be going in clean essentially an accusation that Lebron somehow duped the heat into trading up for Shabazz Napier who was not a successful player ultimately in Miami. So, there was a lot of bad blood. Bron later said that one of his motivations for winning in Cleveland, for winning a championship was because somebody in Miami told him that he was making the biggest mistake of his life by leaving. Pat Riley has denied saying that. But I'm not so sure that I believe that and so. I think there was a lot of animists that came out in those weeks and months following his decision to. Toledo. So Lebron's move disrupted the entirety of the heat organization at that point. How exactly did Pat Riley The aforementioned team? President Erik Spoelstra the head coach Great Filipino American head coach for the record. How do they find a path forward Brian? Well at first you know they still had to all star players they had to wait wait and Chris Bosh and then they went out and signed loo all Dang and you know sort of jilted lover Pat Riley described the Dang signing is one of the great moments in the history of the franchise even though Dang was, you know past his all star prime as it turned out of the rebound relation shows. And they subsequently then traded two first round draft picks later, that year for garage, it was the heat's intention. To get back into the playoffs, match up with the cavs and knock Lebron out. That's what their plan was. They wanted to stick it in his face poke in the eye show him that he had indeed made a huge mistake. But then Chris Bosh came down with the blood clots in his season ended and ultimately his career ended as it turned out and that derailed the heat's hopes of competing with Lebron over the next four years. So over those four years in Miami where Lebron built that partnership with Riley and Spoelstra. A lot of those other players from that era moved on, but Riley and Spoelstra are still there. Is there any lingering animosity think today between them and Lebron. I think there's scar tissue I. Think it was interesting that in the wake of the heat winning the conference finals bolster, you know grabs the mic after the game and not only thanks current players. But thanks past great players of the Heat Organization. So you're probably up there scowling at US shame. dewayne I know you're out there watching somewhere see. He thanks Dwayne Wade. He thanks Chris Bosh and. He can't thank the guy who wanted to MVP's and brought them to titles eating which just illustrates the awkwardness of this. It is one of the things of Lebron's career. One of the interesting things that Lebron has done is that he has left these teams where he's had success to go find better alternatives elsewhere, and you know that's a lot like Pablo who it's a lot like Pat Riley. And this is one of the things I think why Pat Riley Lebron James were never. Ticketed to be. compadres for decades because they're too much alike for all of Pat Riley's. Say Sale any. He's a salesman at the end of the day is one of the great salesman the history of the NBA cells philosophy yes But really is ruthless and he was ruthless when he was with the Knicks and negotiated his way. To a better deal in Miami and it was a stormy great deal that he got twenty five years ago this month even these great players that he had in. MIAMI. When the time came, he was not afraid to cut bait ultimately Tim Hardaway Alonzo Mourning Shaquille O'Neal dwayne. Wade. All left and went to play for other teams and you know the heat's public relations apparatus could come on and explain away all of those. But they all were at the point where Riley was like you are not. Valued enough to me anymore, and so you've got to go. Pat, Riley is not afraid to send flowers. At the end of the day neither is Lebron James you are not in that. Seven. To ten person inner circle of his, he is not afraid to cut you loose He was not afraid to cut dwayne Wade loose when it mattered he was not afraid to basically suggest that his whole team should be traded for Anthony Davis when it mattered and that is a lot like Pat Riley Pat Riley and the Bron James are so alike that they could probably never really get along. So when we look ahead to whoever wins this particular NBA finals. Tell me about what it would mean to either side because part of that emotional. Composition you described. Is a long memory is the fact that you are so competitive that you do not forget what is this going to mean given all that context. Well. As I've covered the NBA for seventeen years, I can tell you that. The things that are most special are the playoff runs or the championships that are unexpected. When Lebron James Won his first conference finals in an upset in two thousand seven. That playoff run holds a special place to him other than most of the other nine where he rented the finals where most of those years he was expected to go to the finals. The heat getting here as a number, five seed in a year where they were expected to improve. But basically be on a ramp up towards chasing free agents next year. This unexpected nature of this. has made this particular heat run. Feel, very special and very refreshing and very heartening. So they are a team ten years after they were that the `overdogs and probably the most hated team in the NBA. They are now sort of the. Underdogs. Who are very fun to watch. And the Lakers are the Lakers they are. The juggernaut, they are the favourite. But the one thing they have is they've had a lot of tragedy challenge in this season. From their aspect and Kobe Bryant aspect, there's an emotional connection there too. So I think this is a finals that will have. Even in a situation where usually see a lot of emotion we'll have even extra than we're used to see. All right after the break. I need you to talk to me about Anthony Davis and how he has pushed. Lebron James to finally change his game after seventeen years. And why that may be the secret to a lakers. Championship. So, Bryan, coming into this season for the Lakers the key questions revolved around is father time finally going to get a win against Lebron James and then could Anthony Davis? Thrive in a spotlight that would be so much hotter than anything he'd experienced. In New Orleans and the fact that the Lakers are here now in the finals, it suggests a win of some sort on both fronts but. It's almost kinda worked out even better than I. Think any of US imagined can you assess the potency of the particular combination of Lebron James and Anthony Davis on both ends of the floor? Yes. So I was one of people who recognize that the Lakers were going to be vastly improved but did not think they were going to be a championship team in this year and by the way just say the Lakers were going to make the playoffs was not an insignificant statement because they had missed it for six consecutive years including with Lebron, after he had suffered that injury which limited him in a way. That no injury had done before and limited him to the point where you at least. Pause for a moment when when expecting him to be indestructible because the first time he was not and they traded so much to get Davis, and so they really invested a lot in this partnership working on a big level immediately. And I just wasn't sure that it was going to. But Lebron changed his position to accommodate. Anthony Davis now the Brennan's played you know defacto point guard for much of his career but to play point guard essentially from beginning to end of every single game and to use that position to set Anthony Davis. To make sure that he was successful really really helped and Lebron totally bought into it. He led the League insists and the the most high volume assist tandem in the NBA was Lebron James Anthony Davis. And so Willingness, in year seventeen. To alter his game to make it fit, it really made a major difference in the Lakers season. So. Lebron has shown this great flexibility in changing his game this year but now he faces a head coach and it's his former head coach. Mind you. Erik Spoelstra who has shown the ability of his own change what his team does pretty much on the fly and what's SPO- has been doing in these playoffs Brian using the zone defense building. This defensive approach that is going to be the best that Lebron Anthony Davis will have faced. All postseason I. Mean you talk to coaches, NBA coaches all the time? What are they saying about Miami's defense and how they're pulling this off and how you attack that if you're Lebron. Well Erik Spoelstra has developed reputation of being a I. Actually think a great nickname for him would be the mechanic. Although it's not a great nickname for somebody who plays in Miami. Operates in Miami. It's a great nickname for somebody who operates in Milwaukee little. It's a little rust belt bride, right? That's right. because Erik Spoelstra is known throughout the coaching community for. Just making over his teams as the season goes along know you talk to scouts and they talk about every time? I play a heat team I. have to throw out my past notes because Erik Spoelstra morphs his team throughout the course of each season to fit all of their talents constantly tinkering changing. And you know you can point out that for four or five year span after. Lebron. Left at the sensually this was a five hundred team and they missed the playoffs three of those five years. But it didn't mean that Erik Spoelstra wasn't drawing the best out of those teams So at the beginning of this season way back when they were playing zone defense, they weren't playing with tyler hero getting minutes to finish the game. They weren't playing a Dunkin Robinson to be a center point of their offense but this is how Erik Spoelstra is wired. This is why he's been so successful when you look at the Miami Heat and the pieces they're doing it with. I actually want to focus on the two best players ostensibly in out of bio and Jimmy Butler, and those two guys. Mostly guarded Lebron Anthony Davis as the regular season progressed and Lebron Anthony. Davis for the record I think they averaged twenty two points per game more than that duo. But as you mentioned after all of this tinkering and adjustment to get to this point in the postseason, it feels like they're not the same guys that they may have been earlier in the season. You see those. Pairs Lebron ad and Jimmy and Bam matching up in this series. Well. The Star power is not the same. Yes. Jimmy Butler has a michelob ultra commercial. Thousand Times if you've been watching the NBA playoffs but. He doesn't have the wattage and he's frankly he's not a first team. All NBA player Lebron Anthony Davis. Verse T MULLEN MBA players. Jimmy Butler is a guy who is a the spirit of a team, a franchise player in every respect. But he's not a guy who's going to score thirty three points every game he is GonNa. Have some games racecourse thirteen points as can have some games where he sort of vanishes at the end of games but it doesn't mean he's not doing a lot of hard work and at a bio same thing I mean he only scored over thirty points a couple of times in his career. Anthony Davis averaged over thirty points in the Western Conference finals. So you're never gonNA see the same wattage. But if you look at the way they play, which is Jimmy's ability to defend all kinds of different positions. Jimmy's ability to lead his teammates and you look at Bam at a BIOS ability to play and defend two or three different positions really Bam at a bio plays the way Erik spoelstra wanted to use Lebron James He plays one through five. He can be the point guard on offense in the center on Defense, and with the way the heat play and the way they are designed. Bam, a bio. There Lebron James. So the guys that Bam in that point center one through five Kinda role, the guys he's passing to. The rest of the roster that does feel like where the heat may have. A real advantage in that depth and you mentioned tyler hero. But you go to Gore and dragging Dunkin Robinson down the bench. What do you make of what the heat have been doing with a crop of role players that honestly I expected very little from when the season began. Heat have built a team. that. Is a bunch of kind of underdogs as much as you can be an underdog as an NBA player. So. You know Jimmy Butler was a guy taken thirtieth in the draft. Now he's the first round draft pick but. Never a premium guy a guy who's been given up on by two or three different teams. Yes Duncan Robinson. WHO's proven to be one of the most prolific shooters the NBA has seen in the modern times he reached out. To former college players who didn't make it in the pros and became a media members because he thought he was going to have to go that route. Garage. Derogatory second round draft picks from Slovenia. Jae crowder has been traded six times on the contract that he's on right now I mean I can go all the way down the list Kelly Lennick is from Kamloops. British Columbia House guys from Kamloops British Columbia played in the NBA there. The highest draft pick that they have on their whole roster was taken ninth. And that's Andre Iguodala gala in two thousand four by the seventy sixers way back when the rest of their guys. Mid around draft picks or not even drafted the whole team is built like this. It means that all of them are a little bit more willing to compromise because they all have had to compromise during their journeys to get to this team. They were designed to be perfect underdog, and that is one of the reasons they are so fun to watch so. When you evaluate this series and you look at these matchups and which team has matchup advantages I'm wondering if you have a particular matchup in mind Brian Given everything you just said that we should be paying especially close attention to. The matter bio Anthony Davis matchup. Will in all likelihood define this series Anthony Davis has had a brilliant postseason Davis a three. Davis up buzzer beating three pointer. He had the type of postseason that the Lakers dreamed about alongside. Lebron. Not only hitting a spectacular game winning shot in the West Finals against Denver which really was tied turning moment in that series but putting up spectacular numbers night in and night out. So that Lebron doesn't have to carry that load and he can save his energy for was needed like it was to finish off the nuggets in game five, James Check three answered again, thirty eight. Lebron James carrying the Lakers to the finish line of the Western Conference finals yet anthony. Davis has not seen a player in this series like, Bam, at a bio in fact, there's not a player in the NBA who's really like him. He is so agile in mobile and strong and big and talented, and can do so many different things that he will be a brand new challenge. Dribble. Driving right by Thais go strong and flushes with two hands. TATUM makes his way to the three point line drives clocked. Out of Bile Man of just one game, one of the Eastern Conference finals for the Miami. So, while the Lakers have to number one overall picks while the Lakers have the two stars of space jam two automakers have two guys were first team all be a while the Lakers have all of the history on their side the he do have special weapon in Bam bio and whether or not he is able to. Be that type of player against the Anthony Davis with that major challenge very likely is going to determine how this series plays. Brian winners. Thank you so much for joining us on. ESPN daily. Thank you. Pablo. You can hear more from Brian Windhorst on the hoop collective podcast. Coming up. The is dealing with its first major outbreak of the corona virus threatening this season and reminding us how the League was born in the first place. Here's another story I want you to know. The National Football League was born out of a pandemic it was born in one, thousand, nine, twenty, just two years after the Spanish flu swept through the United States killing six hundred and seventy-five thousand Americans. And pretty much consuming everything. Pro Football was back then this largely local sport in the Midwest and it needed some kind of national organization to keep going the seasons of teams like the Detroit heralds had been cut short abbreviated amid all the chaos of a world war on the one hand and a global pandemic on the other. Yesterday. One Hundred Years after the NFL was born, we learned that a global pandemic is again threatening to cut short this pro football season. Started on Saturday when Shane Bowen, a linebackers coach for the Tennessee Titans tested positive for coronavirus preventing Bowen but not the rest of the titans from flying to Minneapolis to play the Vikings. On, Monday the day after Tennessee narrowly beat Minnesota three titans players and five other Tennessee employees then tested positive for covert. None of the eight displayed symptoms apparently and no vikings have yet been confirmed positive. But our Dan Graziano reports that the League has identified forty eight people who came in close contact with those eight. So for now. Be Referees who worked that game or all now being tested and held out of week four entirely. And the Titans facility is closed until at least Saturday. and. The Vikings are still waiting on their latest round of test results both teams are still scheduled to play on Sunday. But after two weeks of smooth sailing in the NFL after two proud weeks of nearly forgetting the all consuming power of this pandemic. America's number one sport. Now finds itself scrambling. Everything seems up in the air right now, everything seems ripe for a series of reschedulings or. Even. Cancellations with. Only one thing really clear. that. The NFL isn't quite so exceptional after all. Pro Football, it turns out to be as vulnerable as every other on bubbled and chaotic and abbreviated sport in America just like baseball or college football. In fact. The NFL finds itself in a situation that's a lot like the one that helped birth it in the first place. A century ago. I'm Pablo Torre and this has been ESPN daily. I'll talk to you. Tomorrow.

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Hour 1: NBA Playoffs

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

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Hour 1: NBA Playoffs

"The Dan Le Batard, Woodstock Gotcha podcast is brought to you by capital on capitol. One is reimagining banking offering accounts with no fees or minimums that can be opened in five minutes Capital One. What's in your wallet Capital One and a member FDIC? This is the Dan lebatardshow with stugatz podcasts. Fun basketball Weygand. And we've taken STAN Van Gundy out of his normal slot and brought him with us here to a Monday. So we could talk some basketball. The crew was wondering, and we'll get to this in a second weather. We're interrupting stand van Gundy's yard work is this what he would normally do wanna Monday or has it been a long time since STAN Van Gundy did yard work put it up on the pole. Guillermo at lebatardshow has STAN Van Gundy Daunte done yard work in the last twenty years. And I wanted to start there with STAN we'll get to them in a second. But this is what greeted me this morning by way of good morning. Stugatz. Looks up at me and says, Dan. If it's an oral history doesn't it have to be from a long time ago if we're doing an oral history, and then he spits Kawai it was yesterday. Why am I reading an oral history about co is shot from yesterday? So before we can even celebrate the shot at Stu gods is here to criticize the oral history about the shot. Maybe the greatest game winner we've ever seen end Acir at let me be clear. I haven't read anything I ready. Single headline. A brief a mini oral history, of course is series clinching shot. I mean these things as opposed to sit around and marinate for a while. And then maybe a couple of decades from now, we do an oral history. When did we start doing these things less than twenty four hours after the shot? It's crazy. We've also been over this. You cannot read an oral history you can read a written history. An oral history has spoken to you. So saying that you're writing something down, and this is an oral history is dumb. However. An oral history on audio book can be really confusing. Stan what are your thoughts on all this? On all of that as well. Get to get to the shot and everything else in a second like an oral history has to be spoken. Not written. Yeah. But on that audio book, there's just one do doing all the dudes voices. So you're like wait who's talking again? It's very confusing so thrilled it's really not know so Kawai Leonard it is makes the shot. And that is about the most brutal way. I can imagine to lose to watch the ball bounced like that the only other time I remember it. And it was this kind of crushing is when I think STAN was on that staff when the Allan Houston that believed me when that ball bounced in yesterday, and I'm watching that game. That's immediately. What I thought of is Alan Houston his only bounced once but it was enough straight up in the air straight down through. And we ended up losing that game. Yeah. But that wasn't even that wasn't even a walk off though. Because Weatherspoon which I'm sure that wasn't want to play on the same year with whether no. No. Houston ended a series, and they were the eight seed Alan out season. They were the eighth. See they ended up making the finals. But STAN is that the most crushing way to lose? Yeah. And Mike's right though, that Houston's was not a walk off. But nonetheless, it was painful and the one yesterday. Yeah, that's really painful to watch that ball bouncing around in. I can't imagine anything worse than that. It's watching it very slowly your fate. The fact that you're gonna lose watching it almost in slow motion. You could see the Sixers reaction more. They knew that ball was going to get the bounce bounce it. And they're season was over you'd rather that they just go straight to the nets one of those plays though. And STAN help me understand. That's just a great player being greater than what was in front of him because of Philadelphia played at fine. I suppose you could afford him to his left. But I mean, Joel Embiid coming out at you. And being that close to making the block on that shot. That's just being better than Embiid. The final moments. Great player hitting an incredible shock got a great bounce. Yeah. And that's the other part got a great bounce. I mean, look the greatness is to be able to get that shot up on the rim in that situation against him bead to give it a chance, and then you needed the great mounts. Also, so. You know, great skill and and lucked combined, and they get the they get the victory, Mike. Joel Embiid make fun of Rudy Gobert for crying about the all star game. Is that something that that happened? We've got a couple of story lines going on here that are part of that soap opera drama that we like in basketball where CJ McCollum was on. Kevin Durant was on CJ mccullum's podcast. Do you? Remember how uncomfortable that was God's work. Kevin Durant was sort of spitting in the face of CJ McCollum. Hey, you're not as good as we are. I know Draymond green was again that ribbed go bear the worst. Let me see if Embiid sin anything, but get that sound if you don't mind if it if it's been cleared, please of of Kevin Durant. Do you? Remember this stand? Kevin Durant on CJ McCollum podcast and CJ McCollum was talking about how he didn't like what. Kevin Durant had done and Kevin Durant. Nuked him like nuked them on his own podcast like saying. Essentially hit you feel to win feel free to beat us. This is a sneaky cool little rivalry because Lillard and McCullum have not been shy about taken these cracks at the warriors. Basically since Durant got there. So it's really cool the probably going to end up failing. But it'd be really cool story to rehash all the quotes they both. But they both say STAN they've both said that they don't respect the way Durant. Did it right now they have said that they've made that clear and. You know, Lillard has taken the absolute opposite approach not only as he stayed there. And not demanded a trade. He's defended his teammates. He's defended his coaches defended his management. He's one of the guys who was chosen to try to do it right there where he started. And so clearly when you've done it differently than somebody else, you probably do look at that critically. I I don't think either way is is necessarily better than the other. But but if you're Damian Lillard, yeah, you're going to look at it unfavourably yet. I'm guessing they both would have been thrilled if Kevin Durant decided to go to Portland, let's say, well, yes, I mean, but Lillard is said that if he's going to team up with anybody they need to come to Portland. And so that's the way he chooses to do it. I think he wants to be the guy that recruited somebody rather than you know, going in trying to ride somebody's coattails a little bit. Like Dwayne Wade did in Miami. You know, they didn't go to Cleveland, and they didn't go to Toronto those two guys came to Miami. I don't know if you saw the videos to guts of the Golden State Houston game after the game. What Steph curry came off the court yelling? I don't know if you've read this entire storyline. But the part that I found funniest about the story. I'm about to tell you which is Chris Paul evidently before the game because of rules didn't allow a Steph curry to get his shots up took the entire court because he's allowed to do that. And Steph curry thought it was small time. He poked the bear, Dan. That's what my father was saying all day yesterday in a way that made me want to punch him in the head on mother's day. So the bear wasn't sufficiently poked to score a single point in the first half. But in the second half the bear was visionary poked to win the game and and break Houston over his name. And as he's running off of the court through the tunnel. And he does a great job of masking his arrogance in interviews, but you better be that kind of sure of yourself, otherwise you're gonna lose to all the guys who are because if you're if you're not like, you better be, but Steph conceals it well, and he's coming off the court, and he's yelling at Chris Paul kick me off your court again. Boy, he's yelling it and he runs across Draymond green and Draymond green. Who is the face of gurgling arrogance throughout the league is so delighted to see this bit from Steph. And he sorta chases him down the hallway all excited just because Baird his teeth and his arrogance would show so funny so much fun. Steph is so cute. What he does that though. I mean, it helps then he masks and all that and cuteness that's what he does poke the koala bear. So go ahead. Stan what is it that you thought of all that? I didn't really think a whole lot of all that again. You know, if that was such a motivating thing for him. Why does he not score in the first half? You all of a sudden got motivated by at halftime. That's all a bunch of Bs. Look, I've said on your show many times if you want to do any of these make statement things like that. You've gotta say it before the game or I'm not buying it. You gotta say before the game. Chris Paul Ryan me off his court. Now, I'm going to show him. You don't you don't get to play the result. And then this was the statement you were making the Chris Paul. I'm not buying any of it. He played great in the second half. Give him a lot of credit. And that thing before the game had zero to do it STAN has got a case of the Mondays clearly like you just pooped on the end of the segment, we're doing narrative building all the fabled mythology that people love from their sport. And I hate way Donna, why did you put on the end because I hate it. You are a commotion your cynical. Head may be made on your. Stu gods here for Dollar Shave Club, proud member of Dollar Shave Club. How'd you get ready today? 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I want to get to what's to God's just said during the break, which was to raise a sausage finger and say sounds like someone named STAN at needs a lesson on poking the bear will get to that in a second barrel. Aji? So we'll get to that in just a moment. But first from the pull up podcast this is CJ McCollum before the season. He is interviewing Kevin Durant. They are needed knee as they're talking and this gets uncomfortable in the Western Conference. I gotta play you in that first all the time. Anyway, as it is over and over again, we ain't got eliminated by a few times in the first round. So I'm gonna say this. I mean, you know, you you, you know, you got aren't going championship. But we have the the team. Capability. Anything is possible. We can win a championship. But I mean, let's be honest. We can't win the championship. Anything is need. I need more. I mean, I like I like the two I like you to you the hardest. But I mean, we can't be upset about this can't be upset because cousins a free agent, which means he could have he could've Portland his agent and narcos have the same agent. So I'm thinking, okay. You gonna come to whatever. Why are you gotta go there? 'cause. We have it out. I need to know what was going on. I wanted to know why Portland. Br I think that anything is possible. I'm just saying man he's trying to get me in trouble. I'm happy with a great next playing. Well, no way is happening. Y'all ain't gonna be no he's got to have a nice evening and Yang Bill. There's going to be too much of one thing, which is stopped. So what do you suggest house? Gesture just just keep playing man and don't worry about what goes on at the top of things we at the top of things last year. But we just right just slightly below one and two how'd you play unfortunate situation has happened in the first round. How'd you play fortunate circumstances like AC? That is really condescending dismissive literally laughing in his face and eating in his face. Did they do that over dinner? It was there was a lot of chewing. And I was ready to laugh even more at Durant chewing dismissively while talking to C J McCollum until I also heard it appeared that CJ McCollum was also eating now is just rude to the audience. But then the the Golden State Warriors know that they are better than everyone else. They have all of the proof. They think the way Kevin Durant. Just articulated the way that Draymond green carries himself and with what Steph curry did after ending Chris Paul. They know they're better than everybody. You know, there's no question they've proven that. And I mean, that's the only thing that matters. I mean, they got the record toback it up. So other people can think it, but no one else knows it. Those guys have won three championships curry, Draymond green Klay Thompson. So but that performance in game six where that's the most vulnerable that team's been in four years and Steph curry was dying to play in that game. His quote stand before that game about Durant injury were all related to. Hey, I want this opportunity. I'm happy that we're here. Well, there's no question. I mean, look, I think that happens. It doesn't always work out for teams. But I always think there's that feeling when a guy of Durant significance goes down. And the other players wanna prove that look we're good to we're not a one man team. And so I don't think that there's anything unique about Steph curry wanting to be in that situation. You know, I think every player welcomes at just Steph curry has the game to back it up as does Klay Thompson. And as does that entire team. Again, they've got three guys there were major four counting Gwendal, I'm sorry. And Livingston who's no longer a major part. But those guys want to championship before Durant. So of course, they're going to welcome that opportunity stand. You have said a number of times, you don't think the warriors go when the title. You've also said that you think toughest opponent is gonna come out of the east has anything changed. And that remember on is still the biggest threat while I'm guessing get stronger conviction, right because of Durant injury. Well, yeah. But I had that conviction before I mean, Milwaukee, you know, to me by the test by all the numbers by their consistency. I mean, they just look like a championship team to me. They get the job done at both ends at a floor. They have very few holes. They've got depth. Yeah. I just don't. See them failing in this. I I mean, you know, it's rare for a team with their lack of playoff experience. Maybe but they certainly look like a championship team every time. I see. All right, Stu gods. Stan Van Gundy poop again on the end of another segment with I test numbers consistency. Get the job done few holes in depth. Will you please teach him a lesson in poking the bear explained to him? What happened in game six of that the coach understand so staying when you poke the bear the bear wants to do what the bear will always do is he'll repay you what he likes to do is repay you in the most painful of ways. And so when you poke bear like Chris Paul did the Steph curry by not allowing Steph to shoot his Jim Chris Paul showed up puts an extra time in and kick Steph out of the gym what the bear will do is. They'll say, hey, I'm going to get that guy back. But it's not when he thinks I'm going to get it back. I'm not going to get back to the first quarter. I'm knocking. And get back in the second quarter. I going to why the match some of them of non of pain when I repay this person. And that's what happens when you poke a bear. And that's what the bear did on Friday night. He's absolutely right. So when you poke a bear like we're in the wilderness, we poke the bear the bear just walks off initially and weights, and then he comes back later, the bad, really bad. Sure. That's the way. We're now the bear want you to get very comfortable and things. So you think hey, I poke the bear. And that bear ran the way he's not going to get. And then the bear strut bear spends the first half just sort of searching for the cooler wears the food where did you park and then in the fourth quarter of the bear malls, you that's what happens malls, your face donlevatar toward and got selfish and decided to want to go to use the enemy the guy. And I told you when he went there. He's never gonna win a championship. He was more concerned James harden about being the best player on a decent team. Then he wasn't being the third best player on a legendary team. Stugatz. James harden and the beards enough already who's he with a beard. Hey, trying to be different James hard of the beard. It's seriously the beer when I think of James harden, I will think of anything other. I think championships I won't think of winning. I won't think of one of the all time greats. I'll only think of is ridiculous beard hard committed beer, Tribus shaded themselves DC's libertas show with Stu guys on ESPN radio. I wonder how the country of sports fans fields about what I'm about to say. Which is that. I'd be fine. If the Golden State Warriors had lost and the underdog had beaten, the Golden State Warriors. I think I'd be fine. If that happened with Portland, but I was done with Houston. I didn't I was running for the Golden State Warriors to get the Houston Rockets out of my life. I don't want to watch them play basketball anymore. Enjoy. Yeah. Yeah. You're not alone. I mean stands with you on both the weird thing. Right. Because this is Golden State teams, not particularly likable. They're vulnerable. You seeing dynasty toppled is the region you tune in sometimes to see Bella check and Sabin. Right. And yet still I did not want Houston to advance in that series of the rockets are annoying their style ply from their best player. Annoys a lot of people. The audits James harden after the series saying he knows exactly how to beat Golden State after losing to Golden State or second consecutive season. There are they happening. They have all the answers, and they have none of them. They're annoying. I was surprised to hear you say those stand even as you've been critical of that style of play surprised to hear you say that you were with me on that. Yeah. I just didn't wanna watch it anymore. Look, I'm not critical in this sense. They're doing what they think gives them the best chance to win which is what they should be doing. They've been very successful with it. They don't have a lot of great Dell. Around James harden. And so they're going to ride him and they're gonna play that pick and roll isolation game James Harden's going to dribble the ball fifteen twenty times every possession. And I admire what they've done in terms of winning. I've been I admire what might dantonio done in terms of changing the way he always liked to play. But I don't like watching it. I think it is boring basketball to watch. And I'm with you. I didn't want to see another series of watching a guy come down and dribble. The ball between his legs ten to twelve times. And then make a move. I mean, I could admire his greatness and still eat watching. I have a quick basketball question for you before I go to Billy on an important story here. You've got one player you can take one player. I pick of everyone remaining for the remainder of the playoffs. But only one who is. Your first pick just for the games remaining this season, not to build a team your first pick, STAN Van Gundy. Wow. That's a really tough question. And you're gonna leave out good players. But you know, I know I can't equivocate here because I'll get destroyed. So I'll take quiet Leonard over Jaanus. Wow. It was a tough one over Jaanus over Steph curry who, you know. I mean, you're saying over Damian Lillard saying Kawhi Leonard is the best basketball player on earth. He's a two way player. He can get. I don't think that was the question. So that's not what that is. What you're saying? What are you saying if you're saying first of all your limiting now to the players that are still going? So Durant is sort of out right now. And then it's it's really really close. But I look here's what I think in the playoffs were watching it. What it coming down to allot is guys can get their own shot and make that shot. I mean, the threes have not been as efficient or as accurate as what we've seen during the regular season in these guys that can just go get shots on their own. That's not Janas. He's got to get to the rim or make plays to others. And Steph curry is very very good. But I'll take a y over them as as one player right now. Even though I've got Milwaukee to win it. I'll take CJ McCollum. Yeah. You Stu gods? I love it. I mean, you always can go back right to the last thing you've seen the last thing. I saw was why there's earning an oral history about. The way back actually you went. I did for me that is way. But I went to the game before I don't think CJ McCullum got spent the entire brea cursing himself because he didn't say say bear metric. On poking the bear he spent the entire sector pursing and himself gear. Mo the mass singer is now because they saw that it had pop culture stickiness, and it became one of those shows the massing or is now throwing a lot of money and resources. Just sorry to interrupt. It was more than a show, Dan. It was a phenomenon doing take it from here. Start interrupt. Well, you know, it's gone on. It was renewed for third season, which is incredible. Since the second season hasn't even happened yet. And they put it in its rightful place after the Super Bowl. So the Super Bowl will be the opening actresses in Massingir Super Bowl will be Miami this year, you know, the thing about shows after the Super Bowl that really grinds. My gears is the Super Bowl goes on way too long and the post game stuff way too long, and it's on FOX. So we're going to have who'd like Terry Bradshaw. I was going to be out there interviewing the MVP or whatever random person, they can grab and it's going to be like Terry Lewis, and we need you to shut up. So that we can get the season through the mass singer. So I'm excited about it. As long as the soup. Doesn't go on too long. God forbid, we have an overtime game. Oh my God. A Super Bowl needs to be earlier in the day. Well, it needs to be Saturday. I got a bunch of time. But we don't need to get into that today. That's neither here nor there. But if they could start a little bit earlier, it'd be nice because nobody has an hour after the Super Bowl to watch a show on the east coast the game and the coverage ends I like ten thirty. We're going to be playing at eleven o'clock at night. How am I gonna catch? The local news that's going to be interrupted for the mass singer. What was the question? Donlevatar? Stugatz fashion. Liveth our show with his two guys on ESPN radio. I mean, I'll hasn't wants to correct something from earlier in the show. But before we do that, please. Are you guys interested in the French call courtesy of our D S and Canada, the French call of the Kawai Leonard buzzer, beater, we? Grassi's think it's mayor, Steve, isn't it way? So that is the French call we are awaiting clearance on the Korean call. But I mean L has has corrections to make he's not happy with our sloppy faxing earlier in the show. So what what did we get wrong? I mean, so everyone kind of went wild with the Steph curry got kicked off the court story. And that's why you don't put the bear. And all that. And it turned out there. Some growth kind of liberties taken by the warriors and telling stories according to Houston chronicle and Irv Roland who's innocent coach with a rocket first of all happened before game four not before game six take the ball. They didn't take them off the court. They showed up, and they asked how much longer he's going to be shooting for because Chris was gonna work with Irv. And then harden was coming later to work with urban. So they want Har come over to early and have to wait for somebody else can work out. So they just ask how much longer does he have? And Chris also said let them finish let him shoot. It's all right. It's not like we're doing drills or anything. And so what seems like a very they even said that Stephan Chris had a little interaction where they kind of joked and and made some pleasantries, small talk. So it seems like very innocent interacting habit for game. Four by game six turned into valley. Call much like, Michael, Jordan or shack kind of have done their career. I mean, why do you have to ruin the story? I'm sorry. Thank you mean. Thank you. I really appreciate. Anything else? I mean, you wanna do to just completely suck the fun out of everything just any any little bit more. You wanna suck the fun out of? Yeah. Go L be crying. I thought a lot of people reacted. So a love a man who can cry public and all I could think of get a towel. But it over your head. Do what everybody else does what's that about? I stand. Why are you loving Amine today? I just you know, let's just stick to the games. And all these other ridiculous side stories. Just not interesting to me. It was more interesting. When you know, the original way that it was told by Chris Paul and Steph curry, I mean, that was that was the words story has ruined it. I mean, I don't want the truth. I want interested game and say within the ridiculous sites. Always how else am I gonna get invested in this blazers warriors series? If not for all the nonsense and the quotes that they've had throughout the years. You actually think I wanna talk myself into them thinking they have a chance. What about having the two best backwards in league plan against each? I want to divers bad guy. I want them to talk about how much I don't like each other. I like to think there is some of that in this series, plus for Damian Lillard, it's a homecoming. You know, he's playing there in Oakland where he's from. And I think there is some bad blood like you guys brought up before. We might not have as much hugging and kissing as we did after the after the Toronto Philadelphia game yesterday where there were more hugs than there are family reunion. You know, I think the bad blood will carry. I like to imagine that CPI threes at the movies watching avengers. He's got his popcorn. And he's got his coke slushy. And then it gets Tex Steph curry wants to use the arena says, Nope, any leaves the movie and Tex. Nope, I'm on my way. And then he shows up. He's like get off my court is my core. Someone's actually, hey Steph is shooting in our gym. And he responds not for long, right or something like that. I mean. Geez. A mean do a main ruined? Thank you mean. For stopping by. Appreciate STAN appreciate your have high definitely appreciated terrible ally for you to have because he hates t-shirt cannons. He hates halftime ceremonies. He hates anything other than the echoing dribble. Vet basketball any hates the rocket. In fact, stand does have the Mondays right? We find out whether he does lawn work on once last time. You did lawn words stand. Let's see I would have been at Wisconsin. So probably in like ninety three used to mow my own lawn. About right. The rockets usually that's a loss that will just make team realize. We're simply not good enough. This isn't going anywhere Pacers ran into it. So many times after being after losing to the Miami Heat that they realize we just have to go into another direction. Both rockets they may have to actually keep this thing together in might in. What might be the worst incarnation of them after all these years simply because to rent might leave. Yeah. I think they will keep it together. Look, I think Daryl Maury though will be out there. He'll be very active you'll be looking to make trades, but they're certainly not going to rebuild or anything like that. And now, they're they're going to keep going after it. They're going to keep knocking on the door. And I think you know, you heard from their owner yesterday and Daryl Morey they're gonna keep going after it. And they think eventually they'll get that you mentioned their owner, and what he had to say let's play for the audience very upset. Right now. They kicked our home court. They beat us by ten points in the fourth quarter. Stunning -ceptable we have to be better. And I know that we're gonna rise Cajun and our time's going to come. You know, James is thirty years old Michael didn't win his first championship thirty came in. When his championship of thirty. I promise you we're gonna win some championships. James, okay. Because we're not gonna sit here. We will go to battle every year. We're going to have a strong off season. And we're gonna do whatever we can do to be better team. Okay. We are not going to sit on our hands. I can promise you that. Dude. Sounds like Texas. What is Telman for Titas name? What is what is his backstory? He's not one of the for Tita brothers. He's not a along lost for Tita brother from from MA and casino. Does he have more Texas than Jerry Jones? I mean, they both sound. What is this guy's backstory? What do you know about some sort of financial sprinting guy put a lot of money into the university of Houston's program? Also in their new arena. He's been a big help to them and you'll find this very interesting. And this is a great human interest stories, but his his son went to went to school went to high school with my niece with Jeff's daughter, not a great story. Great story. Connect with interest story connection, even an interest or for Titas actually is actually the third cousin of former UFC owners Lorenzo and Frank I need more for Titas with my sports. They settle their disputes by fighting when they disagree about something. They go into going to the acting on STAN real quick, ten seconds left. Did you turn down the Lakers job several times? That was a matter of fact when they decided they had. 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I don't think he's saying like a lot of people heard this the subtext as Because obviously it was said about. Lebron james and other african american players notably shut up and dribble right and so i think a lot of people heard it that way. I don't think that's what's meant. I think what he was talking about. Was politics specifically an issue. A an arena. Where the sense. A lot of the times is you have to pick a side. They say that a sports show for example should be like a bar. You shouldn't bring up to subjects politics and religion because they can be divisive and you want to unite. So that's what he's saying. Lots on. Although i would say i think my commentary on all this is i get it. I understand what you're saying but you've also said hamad avas your idol. He's your hero. He's the best greatest. It's not just because he brags like lonzo's right or he's a big personality where he's good at fighting you know it's that ali stood stood up against injustice and spoke truth to power and fought for something bigger than himself and i think it's also notable that were sh- it's worth mentioning that politics and kind of leadership on social issues is not exactly the same thing but there's an enormous overlap and so social movements can affect politics and politics could affect social movements. And so. I think it's a bit naive to pretend that you. Can you can separate out politics from the business of life. And if you're an athlete shouldn't the idea should be especially one with the platform. Lebron has that sure you can affect positive change in the world but don't take political political sites in this country that is virtually impossible now given the way our politics has gone and given the way one side seems to be. If not post truth than anti truth. I also certainly unfriendly in terms of policy toward oppressed minorities. I don't think you can separate politics out. And i think it's unrealistic and i think that's that's my answer as i understand what you're saying but the reality is you can't do it lakers by the way take on the twenty two in eleven sons tonight sons. Don't forget we're eight knowing the bubble. That's before they got chris. Paul we were asked. i take. Who do you think's the one. St anniversary of wilt chamberlain scoring one hundred points. Who's the one guy in the nba. Today who could score one hundred. And i took james harden because he'll do whatever his team needs and he can score from anywhere and all that stuff the way he's playing and he's put up multiple games of such high numbers of points. I was tempted to say devon booker devon booker. Kobe scored eighty one not even his best scoring that season right. What was it a sixty three point. Game three quarters. But the crazy thing about kobe's eighty-one they needed all eighty one points to beat the rafters that night devon booker has the game that technically reminds me the most in terms of his scoring of kobe. Kind of like a smaller less athletic version of kobe. But that same kind of mentality in terms of scoring and same and very similar technique score from anywhere in any way. He's by the way and devon booker. Dropped seventy already in an nba. Game seventy he. You know it's insane. You drop seventy and to score one hundred ten threes away three the way. Had you dropped seventy eighty eight say. Espn eight eight seven nine. Three seven seven six. Max you record will be broken. I mean though and klay thompson also you know. I remember that year when he had thirty seven point. Quarter scored thirty seven yet. Twenty six point. Quarter that same year. But you think if you if you drop twenty. Six and a quarterback retire the prize. No one can ever tell you anything again. Like i once dropped twenty six in an nba game in a quarter that was only his second highest quarter of the season. Thirty seven and a quarter. But what i when. He scored at thirty seven. The best part of that was the opposing bitch. There was like you know what the best now's the second best of the best part was i think he did it on. Like five dribbles remember that he didn't dribble catch you. Catch it was annot dribbles. Basically thirty points samuel in texas. You're on the max kellerman show. Espn radio maximised. Max how's everything my gay go go's at all i real quick quick got two things man. Listen we never had this much. Burs in new york. Since jeremy lin and i also want to say this i think stephen smith is gonna get his wish. Maybe just maybe kyri and an kb might just go to new york to new york To play but the knicks. You think guy rian k. d. a. Are you serious. You leaving the nets to go to the knicks. Fred and queens. You're on the max kellerman show espn radio. Hey max I know that when you finished up with Cpa of knicks fan tv. you told them Wait till you're forty seven and know what i'm talking about but i'm sixty seven years old. I'm a knicks fans. Earliest memory goes back to that wilt. Chamberlain a hundred point game and remained boil right. Count fred time out. You're older than i am right. So you live through two championship seasons. The knicks are grab borrowed. Time with you. I've lived through zero. I'm a look. I was born and raised in new york. The only other place ever lived for six years was los angeles. Okay i had an apartment in dc for fifteen months in the early two thousands. When i was hosting around the horn but didn't really live there. I can tell you this. New york fans deserve the best. It's the home of the yankees. The most successful by for franchise in the history of american team sports by four. The giants are among the most successful. Nfl franchises. and what not good enough. They need to be the most successful. Their problem was they had vince. Lombardi and tom landry and they let them both go as coordinators offensive and defensive coordinator. Let them both go so cowboys. And the packers wind up with dynasties and even then the giants are among the all time dynasties. Five super bowl trips in four championships. You'll get to be the only franchise in town in basketball and be a laughing stock in new york city. New york deserves better way better. New york deserves the lakers. I used to watch leagues at the knicks. Run like that. No now fred queens. That doesn't count. You live through two chances. I through zero championship zero. I remember when you're the all these free agents. And the knicks were going to get supposedly tim hardaway. And reggie miller charles barkley. And they wound up with chris. Childs and allan houston who was good. And larry johnson and larry johnson one of the most high q. Players the knicks ever had but it was post back problems and he was no charles. Barkley always said the knicks are going to go get lebron and wade and carmelo and they come back with amari star meyer. The knicks have cleared the decks. They're gonna get k. d. n. Kyri and maybe jimmy butler and they come back with julius randle. Who's good but always the consolation prize with the knicks charles in north carolina. You're on the max kellerman show espn radio. Hey max thank you for taking my call. So yeah I'm born and raised in new jersey. I got to see the knicks back in the day. And i didn't realize how special it was when i was watching but Yeah i got to see that team. And i got to see men on the yankees etcetera etcetera etcetera. So here's my question. Brian windhorst said of the knicks are gonna get a superstar. You know you get excited right. However you don't want anything to happen like with the mellow and phil jackson thing for me. Phil jackson signed mellow when he had already peaked. Well issue with hold on the issue with carmelo. Was that the. He had everyone over a barrel because he was only going to come to the knicks. And so donnie. Walsh the gm at the time was playing hardball. He wasn't going to give them a huge package for carmelo why they had no leverage. The nuggets had really no leverage at the time. But but dolan cut donnie walsh. His legs out from under him and gave the nuggets every single thing they wanted for carmelo who carmelo came to a team with no players and he did what he could. He was a great player for the next. He did what he could. Now listen. I suspect like if it's bradley beal or someone like that. Who's going to want to be a nick. that's great. are you gonna win a championship with with bradley. Beal and quickly and barrett and julius randle. It's not a championship team. What it could be is a team. That also attracts another superstar. And then maybe you have a championship team. The difference with the knicks right now for the first time since pat riley left town or at least jeff van gundy is that the culture is healthy and people are gonna start started. Want wanna play. They're all right here that music. That's michael thomson. From a number one overall draft pick twenty and twelve guy. Two time champion with the los angeles lakers on a segment. I like to call. Father knows best and he joins me now on the good goodyear hotline michael maximum boys. By the time you start re educating you on some boxing oh you wanna talk boxing. Right away now. Yeah of course. I mean it's talking about canal. Oh of course that lasts sparring match. I can't believe thirty cook and that was the smartest box in the history of boxing because he is convinced people to pay him thirty million dollars of fight to spar previously games and against you yielded. Ring come on. This is ridiculous. Well kovalenko still. He was not what he wants but kovalev could still beat some guys. You'll remove barrister. And he didn't he didn't appear to show up to win. The as they said on the broadcast a moment was way too big for him. But i know you're a big boxing fan. What are we start with. Basketball will end with boxing. Michael what do you say. I think michael is one of the best. Boxing analysts by the way. Love michael on boxing What do you think about. What's lot unsaid about lebron staying in his lane and not speaking out about politics in particular and then lebron's response. I don't understand how anybody says that about. Athletes athletes are no different from plumbers electricians. Sports talk host like yourself doctors lawyers. Well i think our citizens people just like anyone else they just have a job and who out there listening to us right now does not have a job or has a job and yet they weigh in on politics and on social issues because everybody has an opinion so everybody who tells athletes not to speak up and use their platform doesn't make sense to me because athletes are just like everyone else who has no opinion and what to share it if they feel like they wanna share it. So whether it's lebron james or an anonymous worker and who's a maintenance worker we all have a right to speak all my opinions and by the way this is coming from michael thompson who is a very conservative bent in his thinking and yet i think we're operating in a world now michael where that realization has come to pass that. Yes sports unite. I mean what makes la la more than anything else. What makes it a town and not just a series of quasi sort of connected suburbs. It's the lakers. That's where everyone from. That area descends upon one geographical location and pulls in the same direction right socioeconomic strata racial and ethnic lines gender and age lines whatever's. Everyone comes together from the spread out geographically area and creates a city. The lakers more than anything. So i understand the idea that sports unites but if you have the platform lebron has that muhammad ali had or this latin has then you may feel the moral imperative that that that is that you have a responsibility to speak to make the world a better place and i don't know how you avoid politics michael like will you wanna you wanna create a school and and support a social movement fine but there's a huge over lip lap with politics. Yeah i don't understand people that is Lan whoever it is going to be a newscaster news. Pundit whatever who don't do think that athletes are different and should not have an opinion. I mean that's Just doesn't make sense to me and you'll see people who think that way you just ignore them and move on right okay. Well in that case. Let's move on dennis schroder. You know you wouldn't think it. But when he was out it reminds me of when lebron got hurt in his first season with the lakers. Michael what people slept on was lonzo ball was also out and had a huge effect. They whack without la lebron or lonzo. They really had a hard time. Winning so. ad goes down but schreuder also goes down and that put enormous pressure on the brock shooters. The only other really creative playmaker on the team michael. As soon as the guy gets back they can rest lebron practically because they have such a big lead lebron twenty five minutes. What about shooters impact yeah. He's vital to the lakers success. Because wherever lebron been he's always even greater playmakers. Lebron is i mean. He's ended up there. The magic johnson mold and ability but even greatest he is he's always had a co playmaker. Rather was miami with dwayne wade in cleveland. Either kyrie irving or before kyri mo williams not as good as low as a solid player and of course now here he's got You had lonzo. And of course the more experienced and shrewd take some of the playmaking load off lebron which allows them to rest and conserve energy and if of having the ball his hands a hundred percent of the time. So should being a another playmaker for the lakers is vital that he stays healthy to take some of that responsibility away. From lebron's shooter shooters of excellent player like a younger version of raw rodman. I mean about rondo. Yeah well. I mean that's saying a lot. 'cause rondo rondo gave him a big three in the playoffs like he was not much in the regular season but in the playoffs he was an all star caliber player. If schreuder can do anything like that. The land the lakers are going to need it. If the nets keep this up. How concerned are you about the nets. Michael very concerned everybody. So stated publicly on twitter on my shows with you that i ve everybody's healthy. I expect to see a lakers brooklyn. Nba finals. and. I know they gotta go through philadelphia and the eastern boston and toronto. Those kind of milwaukee and out here in the west. You've got some stiff competition. Radio town the clippers. The lakers have the two best players in the world. Okay maybe joel embiid may have something to say about that but burn ab and those guys are healthy and then schreuder step up and beat up. The the playoff rondo for the lakers. I to lake superior in the finals going against brooklyn brooklyn that good man and you see what james harden's doing right now is playing so well. He's injected himself. This is the third guy in the mvp. Talk with mvp. Lebron he has. How concerned are you about. Anthony davis michael. I am the more i think about it. The more worried. I get the lakers future. Not just the president but the future is pinned on ad ad. And when i start healing hearing things about the achilles michael i get very nervous and the lakers can't have him at eighty percent and beat the nets let alone teams like the jazz and everything but the nets especially he's gonna be at one hundred percent. How concerned are you about a. I'm not concerned he's resting you see walk around. He's not limping or anything like that. So they just being overly cautious as they should be. But i think he'll be fine when he gets back sometime and march and i'm not concerned about it so i think they're doing the right thing by wrestling him so he'll be all right great michael thompson ladies and gentlemen before i let you go michael. You wanted to talk a little boxing. Let's get it in real quick. What's the big idea michael. Well i think the billy joe saunders has to run get on his bicycle and try to out slick out work out. Move cannella for twelve rounds. That's the only way he could win. Just can't ever get caught. But i was thinking about this. I tweeted this out. Let's say 'cause unified a one sixty division right. You think it's crazy. Max do local. Put it in the land mexican terms if canal fifteen pounds and challenge the joshua fury winner. Yeah that's nuts. They would make quick work wise too because he's too small. These guys are super duper heavyweights. Their two hundred fifty. Plus joshua is six five six tyson fury six foot nine. He weighs two hundred sixty pounds. Moves like a lightweight. I like by the way i can. L. it'll never better defense than tyson fury. I think about it. But i'll say this. I'll say this. You think that cannella can challenge. Julio cesar chavez is the biggest mexican star of all time in boxing and they've had quite a few in mexico ruben olivera and zara and going back to miguel cantor who or salvador sanchez. When i was a kid. And then later on marco antonio barrera eric alice. Juan manuel marquez. All these guys chavez the king. But i'll say this tonelli's cross over appeal in north america and around the world may be greater than chavez's already. I don't know if he'll ever be as big in mexico as chevette was. Oh it's gonna be tough. Yeah i learned that for all the people tweeting back and say and that's like comparing Muhammad ali to male with mayweather to muhammad ali from mexican. So i don't think he'll ever reach the popularity of Julio's of jc. But find out really wanna see canal too. I wanna see cannella fight and tell me from crazy. I think david benner beat him could beat them. I really believe that. Give them a fight. I mean i think the the fighters the two fighters have the best shot to be cannella. Our guys i don't expect to see him in with and at light heavyweight vol- better be by the way cannella has chances against them too. But those are excellent matchups. I don't know who would win. But that's the division above him and right now he's taking care of of the sixty eight pounders. I would like to see kamilo. Start fighting the one of the top three or four guys. We want to see him fight like he fights good fighter after good fighter and they're in his division they have belts but none of them. It's like hey that's the number one guy. I wanna see kinetico fight. I like to start fighting the number one guy that we want to see him fight. Whoever that may be at the time he hasn't done that since triple g michael thompson lakers play by play. Father knows best. Join me on the goodyear hotline goodyear celebrating march delays with month-long service and savings visit goodyear auto service dot com for offers is russell wilson. Dak dirty keyshawn. Johnson says about it at us. This new series from executive producers. Chris paul and stephen a smith on. Espn plus why not us. 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The business is russell wilson going after dax job. Listen to key. Keyshawn johnson on keyshawn jay williams zubin in the mornings here on. Espn radio espn. Well no just the spn radio. Excuse me got it right that time. Listen to key. Talk about how russell wilson is doing. Dak dirty the dallas cowboys situation with the agency and the russell wilson would prefer to dallas cowboys. Destination is a little head scratcher for me because essentially in my opinion that job is already feel with that prescott. I have a problem with that because somebody has a job already. So i'm like keno you you try to still a child. I mean key would be right if dak was being signed up. Long-term already you know feed already been signed long-term by dallas but at this point they still have a contract you know if the franchise him. It's not the same thing and if they don't then what's that mean so i i wouldn't say exactly that. That job was filled at the moment. And by the way even if it is it's a competitive business if they'd rather have russell wilson than than dak prescott dax gonna be without a job. He'll just be without that job. That's gonna make thirty five million plus a year for a bunch of years in some. Nfl city very soon the rustling taken away from him. He just may talk. Take away the dallas job from him. But how's that any different than to do on the same team competing for a job to do the same league competing for a job. I don't see the difference. That gotta get his game if he doesn't want russell wilson coming. Take job at. That can play russell. Wilson plays better. That's a good quarterback. You very good quarterback and dak prescott versus a great quarterback russell wilson dacca's hoping to get to where russell wilson is now and maybe we'll get but he ain't there right now mitch and new jersey. You're on the max kellerman show. Espn radio show to the rain. Should have gone after signed. Jj watt dominic sue. And then she has just take our quarterback and get some for sandown. Don't trade the phone for watching. At least not yet because i think the price will go down for as as choosing hose on. What do you think. Thanks what i would say. What was the point raj. I didn't catch. I was thinking about. Jj watt on the rams. It would have been cool and like you can't afford everybody. You can't afford to be sentimental or just try and do cool things with name brand guys in the nfl. But could you imagine if they've been able to keep in and add. Jj watt and having dominant sue and aaron. Donald the middle of jj the end. But even it was it would have been good to see. Jj watt and aaron donald because his greatest and was at his best. That's the jj watt and aaron donald a different level. And for those being like. Oh you're putting. Jj watt and aaron donald level. Not at the moment. Donald's playing better than what at the moment. But what his best versus aaron donald. His best is very very very close. You know i would say the difference is aaron. Donald is considered. I think by most the greatest to ever play the interior line. And jj watt is not considered the greatest to ever play. You know an edge rusher on the defensive line but was reggie wider. Bruce miss better than. Jj watt those guys are all right about the same only dude. I would take over any of them and he wasn't even a front four. Three or four guy was lawrence taylor. You know just a front seven guy. I take him over everybody. But like when you think about the greatest of all time to play in the front seven at least in my lifetime lawrence taylor reggie white. Bruce smith aaron donald. J. j. watt ray lewis. Who is the seventh guy. Because those six are all plan. That would have been fun. Nfl about to make a huge mistake. The max kellerman show on. 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Save up to forty five percent dell computers powered by intel core processors. Just ask eight seven seven. Ask del k. D. e. l. l. You heard i ache to hear your voice. Filing offer house down here matches last take got got new york mad at me right now. Because i've tell them the truth about the knicks. And i jumped. Ship became a lakers fan. Glorious got the lakers twitter account. I mean not the lakers. Twitter account layers nation tweeted quote or or or tweeted a clip of me on. I take zing for the first time. I got the sense that. I'm watching when i watched james harden the best player in basketball saying that. I have a new best player in basketball every other week. Let me tell you something. New york and la. I know you're both both upset. I used to do local shows in both markets and then soldier both out go national. Make more money than you ever dreamed possible. I would do it all again. That's right eric. In virginia on the max kellerman show espn radio. Hey matt how you doing man Thanks for taking my call. Another brooklyn native so You know new york new york fan but I tell you what russell wilson it'll be better off in new orleans. If he goes to dollars his career is gonna just die. I don't think he's gonna win the super bowl that I agree with what the nickname i. I agree with that the saints are ready to win now and drew brees in it and i liked some hill. But i don't think tasting hill is gonna win. You taste gonna win you a super bowl as a quarterback either russell wilson on the saints. That's another story. They could mess around and win a super bowl like right away like year. One he could do at tom. Brady just did bucks loaded on both sides of the ball. You know what the difference between the bucks and the saints was this year the really the only difference in the moment of truth brady was better than brees. When it didn't matter as much in the regular season brees was better and brady both games but in the moment of truth and you know what's so sad you knew it was going to work out that way. I tweeted out going into the fourth quarter tie game. Fourth quarters a team. The saints beaten twice can breeze come through because more often than not brady has and the answer was no breeze. Couldn't and brady. Did that was the difference. That was it in the fourth quarter of the playoff game. Brady played better than brees. Well the defense is the fourth quarter to tie game in the playoffs. What do you mean by default. Yes played all that. Now who's gonna make. The plays breeze did not russell. Wilson would jesse in new york. You're on the max kellerman show. Espn radio americo on big fan show steelers fan. Lifelong steelers fan. Just all this talk about the steelers being better without then you really got me thinking like. I can't believe that's true. You know like what are we going to do. Start mason. rudolph and dwayne has no. This is the big difference between. There's a big difference between the situation. Say the saints are in in the steelers around you say well why not bring back drew brees. He's your best option. I don't know about that because tastes some hill. May be a little underrated right now. It's not just a gadget player. He showed he can play. Some quarterback jameis winston was a former number one overall pick and through those a ton of interceptions but also it can air it out. Steelers don't have anyone like a taste some hill on their bench. And so and unlike the steelers the saints are ready to win a super bowl now if only they had the quarterback steelers if you give them a better quarterback it's not a super bowl team still not quite no. They don't have an offensive line that blocks for the run. They don't give the quarterback much time to throw and the defense can't make up for all of that saints are more ready to win the steelers and the saints also have a better option than the steelers max join. Espn radio presented by progressive insurance. Chuck in detroit. You're on the max kellerman. Show what's up max. How you doing sir to go chuck. Hey i wanna talk to you about boxing. I'm a big boxing fan. And i've had the debates with people. I grew up in the seventies eighties. Watching boxing and i am a advocate of the best to wealth ways i've ever seen in my lifetime. Were tommy hearns and sugar ray. Hearn's was thirty. Four one with thirty knockouts as a welterweight for he moved up. And i still say today he would be better than terence crawford aerospace and even floyd mayweather in my mind i believe tommy tommy hearns in his prime only lost at welterweight to sugar ray leonard and it was a fight in which he was winning. You know there are twelve round fights now right well. he was. After twelve rounds. Hearns was winning eventually sugar. Ray leonard caught up to a knock them out and i believe What caught up to him earlier if he had to. But it was sugar. Ray leonard down on the cards rallying after the twelfth brown to beat her as the only loss had as a welterweight. Tommy hearns is almost six foot. Two with a seventy eight inch reach fast hands could really box crazy. Great jab and fight ending power in his right here like we talked about the hardest punchers of all time pound for pound hearns welterweight in the conversation. So i know what you're saying. The bad matchup for floyd then again flew. Floyd gets it with tommy's right head it's over but then floyd's hard to hit. Floyd fits in with those guys richard manhattan. You're on the max kellerman show. Espn radio richard. In manhattan. i guess. No richard in manhattan john in new mexico. You're on the max kellerman show. Espn radio every six leakage. All mp's mvp performance. I can say this is what it sounds like to refer like that to you to roger. Is it just me. I couldn't understand what you're single word your little muscle in john tried again with Good no not really but we'll try it. Good you got about. Twenty seconds is miami. He's gonna make it farther than the seventy six or in the playoff miami heat. Something something the seventy sixers in the playoffs. Miami heat have been an underachieving team this year. They're going to be very dangerous. Come playoff time the seventy sixers to me. That's the only team with a chance to beat the nets in eastern conference. And i believe they actually have a chance. Simmons and embiid are killing it. Daryl morey surrounded them with shooting. That's a serious contender but at this moment the nets may be the favorites to win the whole thing. Big game for the lakers. And the knicks max. Kellerman show espn radio max. Kellerman the podcast. 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Takeaways From The Last Dance

First Take

30:35 min | 11 months ago

Takeaways From The Last Dance

"Hey what's going on everybody? Welcome into I take. Hope you all had a nice weekend crude up like usual Stephen a Smith Jay Williams Max Kellerman Molly. Kerem rose guys. Let's dive right into it. So much to get into kind of sad actually became my Sunday routine the final two episodes of the last dance air on ESPN and last night. We saw the story behind the flu game which turned out to be bullied poisoning. Really interesting and NJ saying he another Bull Stars would've come back on a one year deal to go for that seventh ring. We are going to react to all of us throughout today's show. Steven I'll start with you. What stood out the most about this Docu series? Well number one. What he said about wanting to come back for seventh. He thought that they would win. It That would have been interesting to see number two. How rhinestone got off the hook in terms of being cast as the ultimate villain. A lot of people pointed to Jerry Krause when it was really Ryan Stoff You know he definitely had his hands that cookie jar but the thing for me that stood out above all else is the era in which Jordan played and the things that he had to endure on his path to success. When we see these guys into modern day era is not to say they don't work hard it certainly not to say that the ultra talented and things of that nature. But when I see that the road that they had to travel and I compared to what Jordan had to endure in route to capturing his first championship and ultimately completing his sixth To me it's just night and day in terms of what he had to endure compared to what the modern day players have to endure because of the rule changes that the NBA had implemented and things of that nature the physicality at a bad boy. Detroit Pistons then followed up by Pat Riley's New York Knicks with Oakley and Anthony Mason and Xavier mcdaniel before that and all of that other stuff I just think about that role and those battles those wars That Jordan had to endure into me. It just cements In my mind the fact that he is indeed greatest of all time and as far as I'm concerned it's not even an argument. Michael Jordan's the greatest of all time. Certainly at his peak the thing that jumped out to me honestly and I just like give way to hierarchical thinking you know. I know. There's the human drama and everything but it's just pretty obvious to me Jordan would have won ten championships if he never would have gone into baseball and had had had REINSDORF. Who's really Stephen? A right. That's he's he revealed himself as the villain by the end because he admitted that the economics didn't make sense they wouldn't have been able to keep it together nonsense. Of course you could have kept it together. They decided not to. He was playing a cheap rise. Door had that reputation in baseball. Also but the ten championships. Look the rockets. Don't get those. If Jordan stays they barely got by the Knicks in ninety four when I barely. I don't just mean that it went to a game seven in game six John. Starks took a three two win. It's a lage. One got his fingertips on the ball sending it to a game seven. I mean they very nearly lost to the next the Bulls would have beaten them both seasons and then the Bulls had. At least. We're going to especially as Michael wilbon points out. In the strike shortened season or lockout-shortened season that gives an older team that needs rest but advantage in fact and then I also point out that Scottie Pippin. The year after the strike shortened season which would be two years after Jordan left for the final time the Bulls in that season. Portland gave the Lakers. Everything they can want took them. Seven Games the Lakers won the championship. That you ten. That was Scotty. Pippin Portland you mean to tell me Scottie. Pippin with Michael Jordan. And whoever else they would have brought in to put around him because Robin was done by with coach. And everybody doesn't get one more game than Portland. Did against the Lakers. But but guys even if you if you say no. They would've lost this one. They would have lost that one. Even a cynic would say that win at least eight out of ten years. I mean we're never going to see something like that again. The other thing that jumped out and I think about you from time to time when I think about Cagey and how my perception of him has changed what goes on. Everyone goes it. Everyone on social media. And it's a sign of insecurity and all this and J you turn my head around a little bit about this to me k. D. is simply treating people on social media the way he would treat someone with giant media platform in other words he's relating to everyone as a person not a better or worse just a person. There's something I like about that. The way he went Scott Burrell and everyone is talking about. Oh he's a bully. Gold Steve Kerr. How is that different than the way he would go at anybody? Jordan treated all competition with another person as a man. You're a man who's better in a in a way. I don't think of it as oh he was a bully. I think of it is in fact. He respects the competition and in fact is respecting the other person. Just as though there are superstar as you're watching the document damn Mike really you need to get yourself pumped up by beating up on that. But there was no difference between that guy to him and Larry Bird or Magic Johnson. He gave them all the business. Maximum with you is each and every second of the day finding something that got him to that extra level of the next space mentally and you know. He gave this analogy of putting wood on the fire. That's what he looked for every single day to push him to get to that next level. There are two things that stood out to me about this documentary number one. This is the best documentary. I've ever sports documentary. I've ever seen I really give a lot of credit to ESPN two Disney into net flix and to brand Jordan Jason Hare the executive producer for putting this whole thing together This whole thing was was next level. And I've seen some great sports documentaries from Hoop Dreams to curious this one rated the best to me and secondly just wasn't about the basketball accolades and could he have won. Seven eight nine ten. Yeah I think we all think he could but it was the layers of depths even a and you and I often talk about this when we talk about hoops man. Like I've been through some serious things in my life and watching how he basketball to me was a safe haven when I stepped my foot across those lines. It's like I felt lost in the in the game. I was one with the game and and watching Michael Jordan through. What he dealt with his dad dealt with with the fame that came along with it. The amount of attention where you never like he can do normal things that other people could do through his guy that you saw that great relationship at the end the guy security at the Chicago the United Center like watching him go through all those different things but yeah in fact that he was able to stay in the moment and enjoy the moments throughout those things with the ride. Stephen a Max that that's what blew my mind the level of focus and how you know myopic. All and keep all that in perspective provided layers in-depth set. I thought I knew a little bit with the similarities of the journeys to degree. But I knew no clue well for me for me personally J I don't I don't I don't have any aversion whatsoever to you're you're taking Max's take on this particular mad. I respect where y'all are coming from because obviously there's a lot of life lessons to peel from what Michael Jordan you know we talked about in this docu series and how motivational it can be. But for me. I'm thinking purely from a basketball standpoint because I'm covering this league I've been covering the NBA for about you know about twenty two years now so for me. I look at it from the standpoint that I'm watching what's transpiring in today's game. Remember when I showed up on the Board Room Jay? And you'll moderating that discussion would mean k. d. and one of the things if you recall what did. I say I said when he elected to go to golden state my issue was the balance of power. How it was so drastically shifted and how it robs us of that competitive fervor that we're looking for that edge that makes your skins your hair stand up on your skin and stuff like that and he articulates position. That's not his problem trying to put himself in the best position to become a better basketball player a better professional and I totally respect that. But if you remember. That was my point of view when we talked about the things that I had to say and when I was talking about we got into a discussion about just pure pure basketball and so when I look at it from the standpoint of what you're talking about and I attached to the game that's being played I think about the rules changes that have been implemented. Now you can get called for technical foul for a pass a gas or have a bad breath cry out loud that's out soft the NBA is compared to what it used to be. And kind of things these guys that want you to look at them getting paid the exorbitant amount of money that they're getting paid. They are ultra talented. They are superstar talent. But you do find yourself looking at yesteryear and then looking at today's players saying Damn. I wonder what this guy would have been like if he had to go through that. I wonder what that guy would have been like if he had to go through that. You might think about Lebron Brown. I think about guys like Steve released in any any era stuff like that the talking about what as a basketball lover. What I'm looking at what I'm looking at and what appeal from it. That's all I'm talking about. Not Say I'm not blaming Jay and I think you'll appreciate this as someone who's interested in storytelling. My first thought is the hierarchical thinking that sports fans are prone to. He would have won. Jordan would've won ten championships. Had He not gone away those times? Ten with the human driving is when you revisit. I remember the first time. He clutched the trophy after the first championship because his reputation was he can score and everybody can't win a championship. Like magic. And Bird Zeta Way. He clutched that trophy in the locker. Room my father and I were watching my brother. And we're like Oh look at this like he wasn't letting go we revisit of same scene after the six championship. The last dance. He's clutching the trophy again. The same way but this time weeping. Because we've lost his father because it was the end of a journey and that same scene means something is is imbued with so much more meaning as that was great great storytelling and listening to Jordan weeping in the locker room clutching the trophy is is a moment that will stay with me. And maximum moment. Just him congratulating Larry Bird the way he did after he beat the Pacers. Let's you know everything you need to know about Michael Jordan. Right even in fun laughing man. Stephen Smith Yeah Larry. This is what is learned. This is where it is still now always thousand classic interaction. We can't repeat that right now here on Morning Television. Your home is important. That's why GEICO helps make it easy to save on Homeowner's insurance because home is more than just a place home where you build a giant pillow fort in your living room and when people ask why you have a pillow fort in your living room. You say it's for your dog. And when they ask what kind you say lose chocolate lab and we have a web of lies. That's almost as intricate as the crown molding in Fort Pillow. The GEICO Insurance Agency could help protect the pillow. Soft fortress you call home call Geico and see how easy it is to switch and save on Homeowner's insurance ups all the guys who want ninety Steve Kerr Joe Bozo Blah Blah. We'll give you a one year contract travels up. You think they would assign yes would signed for one you. Yes I would have south one year. I've been signed when you contract up to that bill done it. Yes now. You'd have to do some convincing but if there was going to be they're gonNA be there. Mj going to be there to win. Seven PIP is not going to miss all right guys. Welcome back into I take day will stale here with us. I thought that was a really powerful moment. In the finale of the last dance 'cause Jordan went on to say that whole never get over the fact that they didn't get to try and maybe they wouldn't know Gerona seven thirty and eight but he still wanted that chance and he'll never get past that Max I'll start with you. Should the Bulls be content with their accomplishments? Their six rings. Well they should have regret but not about what they did about. What management did so no? They shouldn't be content because they weren't given the chance to defend their title and dock makes good really belabors this point and it's true you a team that on a run like that. Let's not forget for all the adversity in Jordan Canada team and they lost Indiana. They won the finals in under seven games. You know Utah was a powerhouse. Whatever you want to say. A Bill Simmons was on the show last week talking about once. The League was diluted to expansion. Then you talk out. And he's not wrong about that except that sometimes a team take several years or ten years or so at five ten of building and building to find the make the finals. I mean I saw with my knicks. At the time they had Malone Stockton Hornicek agreed coach. The Utah Jazz were loaded. That's why they were winning over sixty game sixty games a year even anti so. Well the League wasn't that moving fifty five plus they. They was under seven games so they weren't brought back and why not because reinsdorf played them cheap. He played them cheap for those who would say well they already had the highest Sabah. The salary cap was twenty. Five thirty million and they were spending sixty million. Of course. They're spending twice the CAP. Of course they are the grandfathering contracts because they're winning the championship every year. Do you know how much more valuable it is? Not just in terms of operating cost meaning revenue. My less operating profit is year to year. But in the equity built in that franchise and in the League where one dollar turns into what fifty over not that many years the league was expanding. So fast and the Bulls value was skyrocketing because of all this even when owners talk about guys. Well we're in an operating loss. Stop it for a year or two but your team. Has that much more valuable. So you blew it with Scottie. Pippin REINSDORF by letting crowds play hardball with up until the final second. And now right you'd have to weigh overpay pippen so give them a dollar less than you gave Jordan the following year. Oh my God. But we'd be operating the fifty million dollar loss and no you wouldn't stop it. Does anyone really believe that? When you factor everything in the Bulls would have lost money on that. You'll winning another championship or at least trying management blue. That's why they called it. The last dance does matter. Phil Jackson goes eighty two and before the season starts. Were breaking this thing up. Subsequent events showed they were wrong. They didn't know how to rebuild. And based on whoever who won the championship there was a very good possibility. The Bulls into after that one. So yes if I'm a player I'm not content to rather no. I'm not content with what happened because it was out of our hands. I definitely think there should be content. You went to six NBA finals. You won all six of them and the two that you probably would have had. That you didn't get was because Jordan decided to retire because of a combination of a slew of things you know. Obviously his father had passed away His rise his cachet his brand and exploded He was inundated. He talked about not having a lightning stuck in his hotel. Room can walk. The streets can do anything and how it was an adjustment. He had to reset. He had lost a passion for the game of basketball. It's entirely plausible. That they might have lost inside that two year area because of our everything outside of basketball was getting to him so much because he was so inundated and his level of popularity had soared and elevated to astronomical proportions and it was a lot for him to take he might not have ended up winning one of those two years because of all of that stuff. We've seen that happen before we've seen people fold and succumb to outside forces and and because of it if found a way to infiltrate the proceedings and get in the way of what the ultimate goal was I believe however he would have ended up with at least seven titles possibly eight. I don't believe in Jalen and I were discussing this on. Get up early in the morning. I don't believe that the Indiana Pacers would be in the Bulls if the Bulls were going for a seventh title they lost to the Nixon six games. There was no Patrick Ewing. There it was Latrell. Sprewell and Allan Houston dropped thirty six in a game. Six and Larry Johnson was there even though the even on the closeout game was phenomenal. The bottom line is you're marcus. Camby was coming off the bench at that particular moment in time. Max But I'm just saying to you that if you'RE GONNA lose to the Knicks at that particular moment in time. I don't think it's implausible to believe that the Bulls could could've taken you out that year now. The next year when the Lakers and the Pacers met I think the Bulls would have come up short that year but I think the lockout shortened season of nineteen ninety nine. I think that the Bulls. Because of a lockout short season would not have had as much wear and tear on them. They would have definitely had seven possibly eight but not ten titles. Stephen Am surprise. You didn't use the word. Appreciate your argument because I think that's what you're looking for. I think the Bulls appreciate the fact that they won six. But if we know anything about the Bulls and Michael Jordan is that this team is branded with the DNA of Michael. He is all over that team with his relentless ability to never be content for anything in his life. That's what makes Michael Michael the same guy in the hall of fame speech. That said. Hey I might come back and play. A fifty and people started laughing. He said what? Y'All laughing about laughing about like I'm serious like He. He believes that beer is an illusion and he believes that he can accomplish anything so as it relates to being continue. I think the bulletin never be content. I think. That's what made the bowls the bowls of Michael Jordan now. If that's management being appreciative magic can be content but not the players because year ninety. Nine the Spurs winning winning World Championship. That would've been a really bad. Matchup for the Spurs if the Bulls were lucky. Enough to get Scottie. Pippen back inside him on a one year deal as well just because they two bigs remember playing them in a triangle they wouldn't have been able to match up with the versatility of what that offense did for the balls an Michael Jordan even at the even though they did have good defensive players so yeah I think the content the Bulls and not be content at all because they should have won seven or eight. And that's what makes the balls the balls and that's what makes Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan Rub. We're not. We're not talking about those couple years. Stephen Michael Jordan went to play baseball. I understand that that was his choice. But at the end when you're not given the chance to defend and REINSDORF now coming out and saying hey at the eleventh hour I tried to get Scott filter comeback back. Stop Man Stop that. Stop It. Because it's almost as though he feels i. You know I'm guessing. This is conjecture but comes across to me. I infer from this. That rise works like I'm kind of looking like the bad guy remember. Krause is not around to defend himself so everyone tended on the whole thing on crass but the buck stops with Reinsdorf and when I say the buck stops I mean it. You know so now. He's he didn't want to pay those bucks and now he's like off the eleventh hour but dude that it's too late you played yourself. You waited too long. With Pippen you let your. Gm shoved the coach out the door. That's anew so so that for that reason Stephen. They weren't even giving the shot the chance to do it. How could you be content? By average age the ninety eight balls are the oldest championship team in NBA history elsewhere. Sources have confirmed. Espn that the NFL is considering. Improving draft picks election in the third round for teams that higher minority candidates as head coaches or GM's only four head coaches in two. Gm's are minorities and a predominantly African American sport here San Mateo a member of the NFL Players Association's Executive Committee on ESPN radio on this matter can't be about incentives it's gotta be about giving the the right coaches the right opportunities problem with the NFL is that there's such so much cronyism it's all about who you know. Oftentimes and that's all coaches. Aren't the best coaches they're not that's why for me and the players. You get happy when you get a coach. He's actually a good coach. Not just the Guy who knew a guy who knew a guy. That's that's what happens. 'cause I got a buddy gets in the door. And all of a sudden he becomes a position coach or a linebacker coach head coach or whatever as opposed to giving the best possible candidates and opportunity. Do I think in of system is the way no all right? Fellas TO BE REAL. I think this is sad that this is still an issue in two thousand twenty but it is so. Let's tackle it. Stephen I want to start with you. Of course how do you feel about this minority hiring plan? I love it. I don't love the particulars. I don't love the specifics. It's a gimmick. It's a gadget. I mean it's no plan. No real thought to it whatsoever. We get that. So that's not why I'm saying. I love it because this would at work. You don't want to be a black man hired under these conditions because you would be the epitome of what they call an affirmative action. Hire somebody that they deemed unqualified for the position. Just got it because of this and you definitely would be excoriated at least privately with an NFL circles. No black coach wants to be hiding under those conditions. So in regards to that that certainly would not be the case but the reality is that if you think about why I love it so much I love that it provokes the conversation. I want to applaud all the people covering the NFL. I want to applaud my brother. Who used to work at ESPN but not the NFL network? Jim Trotter who broke the story. And it's been all over it props to him for pointing out some of those things for what I've been told by folks in the NFL. This is not an NFL thing. Several owners went to other owners and the NFL proposing. This this is not something that sufficiently been mandated or is being considered for to be mandated by the NFL per se. It was presented by a few owners. Who Want to address this issue? And that's why I'm excited about it. Because now the compensation has been provoked. The conversation has been stirred and that is what I think is the most important thing to peel from this. We're finally able to have this discussion. We got four of four minority coaches in the national football league. Three of them happen to be African. American we've got to offensive coordinators every enemy in Kansas City and Byron left which in Tampa. If I've missed anybody please excuse me I apologize. But those are two of the top five offenses and football max. Kellerman has been released religiously highlighted the fact that analytics and beyond have all pointed out that you go the route of offensive coordinator's in order to give somebody a head coaching job. That's usually the pipeline. We've got more than we've got about eight to ten blacks who are defensive coordinators but only about a couple who are offensive coordinators and the gods getting hired are usually coming from not offensive offensive coordinator pool. Here's my issue. When we think about that we have to point out the fact that excuse me everybody talk about who you know who you know who you know what is a pipeline to consider here. Where's the pipeline? Usually when you have individuals coming out of college. They played at a high level. They were all Americans or whatever the case may be they usually leave without their degree and therefore that increases the unlikelihood that they'll get hired for a college job if you get hired for college job chances are you're going to have that much tougher over time getting hired for the job. That's not necessarily the issue with some of the white coaches coming out of college. Who may not have had that kind of cachet as collegiate players or even pro players but they ingratiate themselves the right people got opportunities so there's no pipeline for us and I think that's something to be pointed out here on both. Aw College in a pro level when I think about clip Kingsbury Max. I hate to bring his name up because he's done nothing to me. I have nothing against the man never met him but I do know this. He wasn't qualified. Be No damn head coach on the NFL level based on his resume not a Texas tech not the non job that he had it because he never really started it because before he got a chance to show up for work he got hired as a head coach by the Arizona Cardinals. Bypassing anything so my last point is excuse me you resolve this. We want to bring solutions to the table. Whether it's special teams are offense or defensive. How about mandating that you have to be a coordinator in order to get a head? Coaching jobs. Therefore you have an objective criteria of available to us. All there were able to look at you and say excuse me. Here's what you've done. And this is why you qualify for consideration for a head. Coaching job in the National Football League. And because that process would become public. Now we're all in a position to critique it objectively and accurately an issue of fairness is being addressed because it's an open forum as opposed behind the curtain where we don't know what the Hell is going on other than people having coffee or drinks together at night and getting high because somebody likes them. You've mentioned affirmative action. Stephen I love when people decry affirmative action several years or decades of it the reason it exists is because of four hundred years of negative action unless you believe black men coach in the NFL. You believe that not you obviously the proverbial you if you believe that then sure then you'd be against affirmative action because you don't acknowledge the negative action that led to the circumstances. Where you even believe that but this is actually a scathing indictment of the NFL. It's good that they're trying something. But it's an indictment why you need to incentivize franchises this much in order to not eliminate a pool of candidates right so so why is that it would suggest that hiring a black. Hey coach hurts team. No it helps. The team hurts your team. Not Black per se but hurts. The team what hurts any business is automatically essentially eliminating a pool of candidates. This is the essential argument. If you don't believe in the moral argument the business argument for four against sexism or all kinds of prejudice right. Why eliminate in enormous population of of potential candidates? Why would you do that so already? That's bad and why does it persist in the NFL? If what I'm saying is true wouldn't the marketplace or correct it if there's a stick so to speak sticks and carrots if there's a stick a negative consequence for that behavior why wouldn't the marketplace correct it because businesses. That are insulated largely from negative. Outcomes are less incentivise change. You can't lose money as an NFL owner. You can't lose money so so personal prejudices and just kind of entrenched ways of doing things behaviors will continue. So there's the negative consequences don't show up in their bank accounts and therefore the League is slow to change. So what do they have to do now now already? There's a stupid tax. Being paid by unsuccessful franchises who are there partly because they eliminate pools of candidates. That's the stitch. So you have to offer. The caveat of draft picks to get them to help themselves. It's like you can lead a horse to water and then you have to give them a carrot to debt him to drink. That's what's going on here. Kudos Bravo to the owners in the NFL who are trying to incentivize their fellow owners to help themselves and help the league and also to do the right thing but the very existence of this proposal points out the is an indictment of the NFL. I just want to reemphasize that. I don't like the idea of a black man getting the job under these conditions. I don't think that you can legislate what's in people's hearts. I don't think that it's good for the black candidate to get the job under these conditions. Because I think that they will be vilified if not publicly certainly in private circles in. The private sector's just circulating throughout the NFL. I don't think that's good. But what I love is the fact that this idea has sparked a much needed discussion and conversation about this matter to highlight discrepancies and the flagrant unfairness that has been exercised by the National Football League. And I got news for you. College football is even worse than the National Football League at some point in time. That's a discussion that we're going to have to take to another level. They've tried that. They had the quarterback summit at Morehouse College in Atlanta in June. Of LAST YEAR. Where they talked about these things. It's something that African American coaches have been complaining about a longtime poor Chris greer in Miami every black man. That's looking for a job. There's probably called him simply because they can't get hired by other people even though they clearly have qualifications of a litany of coaches that. I don't WANNA call out because it's not their fault. But they are white coaches in the national football league that have had ample opportunities to perform. They have failed. They have come up short and somehow some way because they are friends and they get along they ingratiate themselves with coaches and hire one another whatever they always end up with a job while black men who have succeeded and deserve opportunities have been on the outside looking in. It is unfair. It is flagrantly unfair and the NFL and college. Football needs to do something about it. Quick fast and in a hurry because it's ridiculous and obviously this issue extends well beyond sports. Gentlemen Steve A. You mentioned that. There's four minority. Nfl head coaches right now. Just back in two thousand eighteen twenty eighteen. There was double that so clearly tracking in the wrong direction and they needed to do something quick fast in a hurry.

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Hour 3: Wade Jones

"Bedale podcast is brought to you by the new Capital One saver card or four percent cashback on dining entertainment, two percent at grocery stores one percents on all purchases. What's in your wallet? Donlevatar? I would absolutely take down my own school as a journalist. If I find out that there was financial aid problems. We kidding me. I'm not hiding that story. I totally leverage that information for money felony blackmail. Stugatz. He's got to be the only radio personality in America who freely admits to. Yeah. Said he's got. No, that's all good. You got to go all the other spots have been taken. He's like serving the landscape on where can I plant my flag? I got this. Right. Nobody else wants this. Why is there? No one here. This looks like such a great land. I could just claim all fraud and crime worked out well VC's donlevatar show with his two guys on ESPN radio. Corpora Jordan with us. Now is the Miami Dade County. Commissioner district one we've been wanting to talk to her for thirteen years thirteen years, and we finally tracked her down. Let's play that sound for her. And for STAN Van Gundy because it tickles STAN Van Gundy everytime. Dwayne Wade had just appeared on the national consciousness. He just wanna championship carried Shaquille O'Neal on his back to the championship is wonderful of finals as we've ever seen anybody play. And then we're celebrating in Miami. And Barbara Jordan introduces Dwayne Wade. And there's a slight mistake. At the end. He's. Collected has to win because. Just great. So Barbara Jordan joins us now. And when I play that are. To make me relive. Yes. Wonderful on now. Take us back to that time. The. No just don't know how hard fought in the commission meeting to be the one to make that reason Asians. Wanted to present. Everybody wanted to. Wave but I won the prize. Boy, did I blow it. So what happened? Can you? Explain what happened. Did you get nervous? What happened? Day. I can understand except what I said which was true. That way does was. In fact, my campaigns man, named got stuck in my mind. I have no idea. But that that moment I really wish over the years because I've taken back. No we moment. One of the great moments at sports minute. We got an own this, Barbara it is one of the great moments in sports history because they're plenty of county. Commissioners who've introduced athletes, and no one remembers it thirteen years later. This is the get ESPN wanted of an interview because we finally tracked down the person who made this particular mistake. He's. Collected has to win. No, one will remember me for my politics. But I will be infamous for way Joe's and Chris using Dwayne ways. Barbara who corrected you, you could hear a voice someone steps up and corrects. You do you. Remember who that person was? I'm not sure if anybody, I know immediately. I made the mistake, and I think someone didn't repeat his name. And I'm I'm flabbergasted because I look behind me and Dwayne looking up in the sky if he's looking to see where did that come from? Tell your it was it was one of my most embarrassing moments. Let's hope that it will come off the wall of shame because that's never there's internet theories that the correction came from one of the players I've heard it theorized that may be Gary Payton was a player. Did this voice correcting using Dwayne Wade come from the player section? No, I don't even remember hearing the voice, quite honestly. I'm sure I'm sure someone said something do you? Remember hearing in the crowds say who that is. If I do. Remember because that's when I playing then he was my campaign. How does this? Go ahead. I'm sorry. The reporter from the reporter calls me and asked me the name again, they actually went down till the elections department to check. And I'm wondering how this went over with your family like people who love you and care about you. When when they came to you to talk about this, what kind of things did they say where they gentle or were they mocking? Mocking gentle and saying you had a senior moment. Which at the time. It was a senior moment as a day gone by barbers since that day has a day gone by where you're not reminded of that moment somehow, someway, are you kidding me? If you guys can help me take it off YouTube out the three. No, no, no. Like you. And we appreciate it. But no we've been keeping that thing alive for thirteen years. Thank you for making the time. Thank you for being such a good sport. We appreciate it. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. And I really want to send out congratulations to Duane for topless way. You hear me Dwayne? Thank you. We appreciate it. Miami Dade County Commissioner district one Barbara Jordan Chia she want us over now. Listen to this though, you can you win standing Gundy's on with us from Los Angeles sometimes because he's elsewhere. And usually the people doing this show our in studio with us sometimes we have. Certain timing issues where a rhythm gets thrown off, and basically the shipping container and all of us are on alert for whenever stand doesn't know that he's supposed to be talking or that the question was posed to him because he's not with us where we all jump into the breach. So there's not too much of a silence. So I want you to hear here where Mike Ryan tries to be a good teammate and help. Everybody out by filling the silence, and for some reason, he just announced the words, I am fat, David. I know you you're absolutely right. What are you? Try. What are you trying to say there? I am. I know you're you're absolutely right at STAN agreed. I know you're you're absolutely right. What are you trying to say? It's actually what I was going. Free time for some ads. We really shouldn't be correcting anyone on a mistake made with public speaking. Honestly, I know you're absolutely right. This woman just came on the most embarrassing things for public life. We made fun of her. She owned the shame. You remember how you started the segment trying to say Taiwanese? Feels like a month. Right. Speak remaking, fun of her maybe mistake to God's here. Applying for a loan is a lot like applying for a job that you don't get to interview for instead don't companies make their decisions based off your credit score and history without getting to know the whole you now. Thanks, upstart dot com. It never has to be that way. Again, unlike traditional credit underwriting, which could be biased against people with a short credit history. Upstart goes beyond the traditional FICO scores. When assessing your credit worthiness of star believes, you're more than just your credit score. They make it fast simple and easy to check your rate in less than two minutes without affecting your credit score the best bar once your loans approved the funds will be transferred to you. 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I was also crestfallen. You will hear it like I come into it. I am ready to geek out. We are geeking out. My, you know, my energy levels are high and excited for it. And then greenie breaks the news to me that not only is he going to Augusta this year. Okay. But he is anchoring our coverage from Augusta this year along with Scott fan path, and you could just hear my energy levels. Go debt like, I'm processing all this lying telling them that. I'm happy about it. And at the same time being insanely jealous. You thought you had a shot at that gig. I did I'd really did. I think I'd be good at my well needs me speaking of lying this just happened during the break, STAN. And maybe you remember this. Maybe you don't. The shipping container. Will appreciate it because they know this creature. So there is merely sound of Keyshawn Johnson playing in the other room and Stu gods comes in here. And he's chewing on a burger, and he's got a hand filled with sausage fingers in his pants. And you know, what he says to me as all the information. I have is I hear Keyshawn Johnson's voice playing in the other studio through food. He was chewing an open mouth he says to me. I've lied right to Keyshawn Johnson's face. And there's a pause and there's some more chew chewing. And then he's like stand Gundy sought then he could probably tell you about so. Kosan? What's? About here or or because he says that he walked up to Keyshawn Johnson in front of you. We'll stand you remember when we were out in LA. And I said something that Shawn Johnson and walked away from that room with you and told you well, you go ahead. Well, you you told me about it. We were in L A, I was in the radio studio. And then you told me about this is. I did not see okay didn't help. But this is what happened. This is. How he lied to the face of Keshavan Johnson. He said the Keyshawn Johnson huge jet fan. You're my favorite jet ever guy. Yeah. And then as he walked away, not even in the top ten he muttered it under breath. And that and then stands, right? Okay. Because I got back to the radio studio at stay was there and gloated about it. Even in the top ten. Are you still going about it? Chewing on a hamburger he lives at takes. Lots just stare a man in the is it tell him that. He is your favorite jet of all time, knowing he's not even one of your top ten jets of all time, and then gloating about it to stay on afterwards is really the the icing on the cake fun. Why were you guys playing Keyshawn Johnson sound what was happening in the other studio? Keyshawn Johnson was not happy with me when I reported. I don't know what is it eighteen months ago that magic that Magic Johnson had a series of qualifications that didn't make him qualified necessarily for that job. Keyshawn Johnson got mad about it said there was racism involved or it was tinged with racism, and now what is also said this forget that up labrador be quiet. So today was yeah. No, no. Well, it's not guy ever there's older sound. But we have breaking news as you know, at the beginning of the show. We celebrate the fact that Dan is no longer racist in this instance. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, you've been watching the jury still open on on all the other acts of potential racism for Dan button careful yet. But when it comes to Magic Johnson, and you questioning the higher, Dan, congratulations. We all assume that you were no longer racist. Because he just what the job, and it's been a rather. Disappointing tenure? However, the guys was wearing a Dan was right hat while. I'm sitting here saying I don't want to take a victory lap about someone leaving their job. Yes. So we were all celebrating this. However, Keyshawn Johnson is not taken this L, Dan. He is not taking the cell. He says specifically that you were not right Ono day could be right. When a guy is took over a team in an organization, I was in flux players got rid of the big salary cap numbers. Move back contracts traded trade Newton good players. Trade it traded. Lou Williams picked up a one at turn into coups believe that was found. Heart drafted ball signed the biggest free agent on the market in the Brian James. He gets credit for that. Even though people's believe the Browns coming to LA one way or another you still got a close because he I don't think O'Brien was coming if Mitch come. Check was running the situation. So when you start to look at that, you say, well, all that stuff. Dan lever Torstar has nothing to do with the basketball operations in the job that he's done since he's been here. I guess racist. Again, Dan is racist. Dan is racist. On this on this on this. This on this. I told you I had my eyes on you. So what's the argument though? What's Keyshawn Johnson argument? Is that Magic Johnson did a good job? Of course. He did a good job. And even by his own words. Magic Johnson said the franchise heading in the right direction. And when you look at their year by year record, two games better. Don't. They went to LeBron James and they made their record two games better. Well, since he took over they've gone from twenty six wins to thirty five wins. And then it skyrockets the thirty seven wins, Dan. They're twelve years away from meeting a title contender. Maybe five years we're talking playoffs. If held onto the ngelo Russell. Yeah. That one Keyshawn didn't mention now to be fair on that everyone with on that one, but he found heart well and to be fair on that. Right. It wasn't just that. He didn't like the ngelo. Russell. He got off Timofey MAs Goths contract in that trade to because he was part of it. That was a huge contract that wasn't Magic's mistake. So look, I don't think magic failed in L A. I just you know, he didn't stay too soon. It three hundred minute. Okay. You can say you didn't fail, but you could say he didn't succeed either. Well, what I would say is LeBron got hurt. That's what I would say. And that's that's the margin for error. You have. I mean what what's the point of? And they were pretty good before he got hurt. I know, but what's the point of having an executive if that's all it takes. If it's just takes time to build a roster. You're not going to build a complete roster overnight, and they always did around. Lebron? Lebron has always had a complete row. Hell, man. The trading deadline that one year they traded his entire team at the deadline and then made the conference finals because they treated the entire team at the deadline yet because LeBron played every night. That's the key here. It's not the people around him. It's LeBron played every night this year. Lebron got hurt. I mean to me if you want to say that that they weren't successful the number one factor in that is LeBron got hurt. I understand the notion that LeBron James play eighty two games and it hurt their season came at a bad time. But they added LeBron James to that core. And. Got fifty five games of LeBron James. And they were only two games better. That's let my for this team this team with the brought they needed. Lebron the play eighty two games this particular team future teams might not. But this team did at the time. He went down. They had just beating the warriors. And they were twenty and fourteen. Stan what were you saying that the most the thing that I think that analysts media people fans underrate the most is is health. It's always a. Yeah. I know people were hurt. But no, that's an absolutely huge thing. Like, I've been abs- absolutely thrilled that my guy Steve Clifford got Orlando into the playoffs and he did an incredible job. But people turn that around in Orlando talking about how much you know, how bad Frank Vogel was no Orlando's top six guys this year missed fourteen games a year ago. Those exact same six guys missed one hundred and fifty two games. That's a huge difference. But people want to say, yeah, I understand that. But. No health is that is the answer right there. If you LeBron James missed a third of the season. How do you think they were going to be good on top of Lonzo ball missing time? And other people got breaking problem with health. I've got a breaking health news. Okay. In keeping with what standing Gundy is saying a Dwayne Wade tweet I've played seventy one games this year, so far and miss seven because of the birth of my daughter, but I've played that many games. And I haven't hurt my knee. Once like I did trying to get up on that scores statement. I can't believe it. That Philip brought his little brother on our mission into orbit. How long until it? Get there alone. We get there. I'll learn until we get there. No. I can't believe how easy it was to save hundreds of dollars on my car insurance with gyco. What's this button? Do what's this button? Do what's this button? Do what's this? I believe at Geico could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. Donlevatar? Stugatz. When you have the hammer you go to use it DCC donlevatar show with two guys on ESPN radio. We'll get to Jorges Sadan own a second. You can listen to a show ESPN LA seven ten from three thirty to seven PM or download and subscribe to the podcast, STAN Van Gundy in with us. Stan just real quick before we go to George last night's game. Dwayne Wade he scores thirty points. And there's a play where he's trying to throw it off the backboard, and then dunk it and number ten for the Sixers space guy number seven number seven number seven this guy for the Sixers gotten away. And so what I'm asking you stand is does number seven need to get out of the way. They're no absolutely not. They're playing a competitive NBA. Guy wasn't competitive and that, Dan. For that guy. It was he doesn't get many chances to play. Now he's out there to play. This isn't a summer all star game. He he ruined the moment or he really helped Wade out because based on how Wade finished off that game in a post game interview. I'm not certain way could have pulled off that day. Sodano your thoughts. Here should does number seven need to let Wade get his his damn don't. Yeah. Of course, she does. I mean, did you watch the way that Utah Jazz with? Utah Jazz that would Kobe at the basic let him shoot like sixty seven shot. How disgusted invent Gundy? Is right now are you with them? Don't just sit there and sip from her. N B A can we compete anymore in the NBA everything just to put on a damn show? Guys. Don't wanna play from night tonight. We got a load manage the guys out. There aren't supposed to play hard. They're supposed to get the hell out of rage way. What is this league coming to? You know, what's funny about business that I feel like I'm I'm I'm I've heard this all before. Oh, yeah. It's because I do games with your brother, Ben Gundy who. I think to me all the time. Oh my God. No, really, though. It's just getting like the lack of competition in our league is incredible. At this point. I everybody's gotta be friends. Now. I mean, it used to be at the end of a playoff series players would line up shake hands. And now we got a hug and kiss after every game there the season. It's getting absurd. Let's go out and compete. I long for the days where guys didn't like each other the Knicks heat days where long get along for the days that your brother was attached to Lonzo mornings ankle on the floor like bites more than last competition. But listen, but listen, I do long for I remember, Dan Marley had an interview all those games against Alan Houston night after night thunder. And they and they asked him. What did what did you say to each other on the court? And he said, I don't think we ever said one word to each other him and Allan Houston just went out and fought every they weren't friends. They didn't have to get together on the free throw line and talk about stuff. They competed like Kim now exchange jerseys. We hug we kiss. We, you know, besides the fact that we have to sit out every other game for for load management. Come on. It's getting to be too much. Stop it. Listen, I hear you're longing for the days when Magic Johnson and Thomas used to kiss the five days. So I mean, we know there was no. But but that was you know, what that was talked about then George because it was rare in people didn't like it. And they talked about it. Now. It's just commonplace. I mean, you would notice it if people didn't do that. I mean, that's why Jaanus is my hero at this point. Because it doesn't do any of that he talks about not wanting to work out with these other guys during the off season only his teammates. They're not my friends, I'm competing against him. I wanna win. He's my hero. The Greek freak wise, Haywood Highsmith, not your hero. I mean, he didn't let the way he is. Sitting here. Yes. Seriously, debating the guy in an NBA game has the right to try to set. Correct. The as in the situation last night specific to just that circumstance number seven for the Sixers needs to be a Washington general. That's the spot where you get the confetti thrown in your face. And that's it. No. That guy needs to go out. And he gets very few minutes. He has an opportunity to do something. He needs to go out there and play hard and I'm happy Dwayne head. The the great game in the win last night with thirty points. But you'd try to make the guy earn that you don't just stand around and give it to them come on. He saved doing because there's no way he was getting up high enough to dunk that. I'm so happy Highsmith got that film out there. His coach is gonna be really proud. I'm sure when you get your next job is the Lakers coach you'll bring him in because he felt up that place that you and he could be on suffers together four it's a positive that. He didn't get out of the way it's not enough to make you want to have him on your team. I don't know enough about him to be honest. But that play is a positive. I mean, I can't even believe we're discussing whether he should have done it or not. I mean, I'm getting angry sitting here right now. Like come on is George there. Yes. Donohoe here. I'd like to congratulate van for not being racist. By Sean, still says though, I was gonna say we haven't decided that George hasn't been determined jets sit on just because he says that it is it is it doesn't make it. So I'm watching him George what I was gonna say ROY needs to be the determining factor here. Right. I feel like that's the way to go. Yeah. That's right. Well, I don't know about that. I would say this to what we haven't discussed is if Keyshawn is going to criticize Dan as a Cuban American is Keyshawn racists. Sodano? Glad we have you on as a fellow member of the Brown. Community is Keyshawn Johnson races. He's not racist much. Like, I said to him you work racist that day, Dan. Where'd you put me in an enviable position of just started doing the show with China? Not granted everyone. I got a defendant. Real quick. Because we we ran on a time here. I do wanna get both your thoughts on what happened with magic last night. And specifically how LA feels about LeBron at the moment. I think magic took the look what he did. Yesterday was weak, man. There's no other way around it and selfish. I think in a lot of ways how you not tell your block that you're gonna quit. But Nanjing isn't the only person here that I think deserves blame Pelinka is a little bit of a shadow villain here. I would say, Dan, he I if I had to kind of equate into a character on television. He cut reminds me of little finger a little bit on game of thrones where he's managing up, and he may end up keeping his job and magic kind of alluded to it a little bit. I thought yesterday when he said that it was up to genie to decide whether rob should keep his job. And then talking about people's discussing stuff behind his back in hushed tones and whispers, I assumed that that was all about rob Pelinka, and that seems to be kind of the prevailing notion here. This is one of these very weird situations where Jeanie Buss could totally clean house and everybody would be happy. But it almost feels like. She's going to do the Miami Dolphins move of Keith the one person there. And then keep the disaster rolling this way. You thought the backstabbing reference was to his general manager, I believe so that's just pure speculation on my part, but just talking to enough people. It makes me believe that that's the case that you know, rob a guy that has lied to players. And you know, there was a sense that those two didn't necessarily always been a long. So I do believe there was that. And I think that's what magic was alluding to about your question. Lebron I think that people were super excited when LeBron's here or what God here. But I think that ultimately they were like all right. You gotta prove it's like, you're not Koby like you're not necessarily on these guys levels of the guys even like magic or Korean won something for us. You gotta prove something to us. So I think what Brian is very much in having to prove himself to this particular fan base. And that's all the stuff you, and I and everyone else around the country saw coming. He didn't he was currently blind on. He thought he was gonna walk in and be the man, and there is some of that, but mostly among the Hollywood elites LeBron didn't do anything in the community this year with the black community the Hispanic community and do anything he pulled that Tepa stuff you blaze pizzas, even show up. And now he's doing a little mayor Kupa tour where he's doing these one on one selectively with spectrum sports who have the Lakers broadcasts and Jim hill. Who is like, you know, he is the patriarch of of media, basically in LA, and you know, he's kind of doing this thing with many shouldn't really done six months ago. So yeah, I don't know if people are necessarily feel LeBron just yet. He's still got to do something before they actually love him. So thank you or hey, listen to show ESPN LA seven ten from three thirty to seven PM or you can download or subscribe to the podcast good. Good stuff. George. Thank you, sir. You gotta stay looking forward. You taking over the coaching gaps that we can do a weekly show. George old commit to that. If I take the job. Donlevatar America's fastest growing sports shows to God's because when you start from zero and you have one viewer you're growing fast. This is the live at our show with Stu gods on ESPN radio. Amino Hassen has walked into the set their withstand Van Gundy in ESPN LA, tell him should number seven from the Sixers of gotten out of the way last night when Dwayne Wade through it off the backboard, please repeat that question. They wanna know should Highsmith of gotten out of the way last night when Dwayne Wade through the ball off the backboard to dunk. Yeah. You gotta get out of the way. Komo. It's his night. It didn't mean anything at the end of the night. So you gotta give them everything. He's gotta get outta here. And he's got to go. He was my might to say that right into your bosom. He said it. All right. Sleeping chess. I wish I can't believe I facilitated taking a beating around here as someone who's against fun. You've never sounded older than when you said, this is not the circus. We have to respect the game eighty when number seven is playing. It's gaming. But there every game should be respected. You're playing to win. This isn't Zo summer groove or or something like that. We're planning in the game. The rising challenge the weekend where nobody even comes back across half court. We're criticizing this guy because he competed come on you Don has them was taking threes in the fourth banks. Was an empty diet. Coke bottle this guy Bill with caffeine feces. You're full of it. Then Gundy, let them in. We'll cares. MP didn't play last night. The Sixers weren't trying. Jimmy Butler was stumbling around and played four minutes. I mean, regardless like one guy, that's you say, it's one guy he wanted to compete. You can't criticize the guy for trying to stop somebody in an NBA game. When it on the pole Guillermo at lebatardshow. Can you criticize somebody for to play defense in an NBA game? Dan is adorable when he's angry. It's great. It's great. I love when he gets furious. What do we have on the polls? Here's to the Twitter poll is brought to you by Dollar Shave Club dollarshaveclub delivers the product. 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Hour 2: Nets a Threat to the  Lakers?

The Stephen A. Smith Show

33:52 min | 3 months ago

Hour 2: Nets a Threat to the Lakers?

"The max kellerman. Show the podcast. La breaking news with the rams are gonna get into that the second the yet eight seven seven six dallas porzingas looked all this talk about the net and out of the lakers gonna react. How dangerous the dallas mavericks. We're going to be phoenix like the way. Your teams looking phoenix. Those are by two thieves. I got my eye on all this talk about the nets today for obvious. reason james. Our our the lakers gonna react. Dallas and phoenix or not playing games. Anyway the max kellerman shows presented by progressive insurance. Join me the goodyear hotline the nets are acquiring james harden for the rockets the whole trade is hardened goes to the nets the rockets get a package including the depot. They got the net sent them charissa avert the rockets turned around and took care sliver and a second round pick and turned him into the depot. I'm not sure i would have done that. I might have stayed with vert but all the depot people forget was not long ago the best player on a dangerous playoff team all the depots quite good and he's still recovering really getting back to what he was from that injury do squad but if and when he does get back to what he was all right now they have to recovering from injury guys in john. Wall the depot. Who if they get back. That's a hell of a back anyway. The rockets get older depot ultimately and four first round picks from the nets. And and they're all unprotected like the nets stink and twenty twenty six. if they're drafting. I guess who gets that. Pick the rockets and the rockets get four unprotected first round swaps. That's a hell of dante. Exum and kirk caracas. Whatever his name is whatever who cares. There's not much but excellent was a big deal in the draft. You know from australia. What five years ago. Whatever it was he hasn't turned out to be a very good player. But four unprotected. I and four unprotected first. Round swaps and ola depot is a hall for a guy who forced his way out of town. The nets get james harden by the cleveland. Winds up with jared allen who is a good player and they have a lot of big now. You know. I'm thinking they were the team that signed mcgee in the off season. I'm thinking now. If you have jared allen maybe you wanna deal val mcgee and guests who needs some help. Defensively the nets. The andre jordan nate enough deondraye jordan. Devel- mcgee back there. Okay now you're starting to do something with some size some rebounding ability some shot blocking ability because the nets unguardable offensively. If they come together. There's only one basketball. I get it. James harden's is the guy everyone's gonna think of kyrie irving it's james harden well harden is the number two option. James kyrie's number three option understand. Katie don't need the ball katie. Can score in the flow of the game gives thirty five. He's an unselfish player. He's like the perfect complementary piece who would make any team in the history of basketball better. There's no one. Katie can't play next to cairo. Yes he's the number three option now but cairo has been a number two option before on. Lebron james demon played off ball at times was james. Harden played off ball with chris and russell westbrook at times but really monopolized the ball. Harden is the guy who's value is most wrapped up in his usage. He's remarkable in the sense that no matter how much you use them no matter how many shots he takes no matter the level of difficulty. They seem to go in at the same rate whatever. It is eight percent from the lions thirty seven percent from three. You don't take any mid range shots. Here's the thing kyrie's a better shooter from three and from the line he doesn't have to be used. Allies hitting forty forty two percent from three whatever is ninety percent from the line. Whatever it's going to be a better pure shooter. James harden kerry also got better handles in harden career also as championship experience. If we can get his head together. How do you defend this team. The greatest scorer of all time is michael jordan and you have to adjust for their era the second greatest scorer of all time of the non biggs of the guys who can go get their own shots was kobe. Bryant katie's more efficient. i get it. And he's in the conversation. If it's jordan one at two of all time of wing players number two is either kobe or k. d. james harden in the top. Five or six. You have to top five scorers of all time wing played. A wing played guys. Get the rolled shot scores of all time. And here's the thing k. D. james harden and kyrie if they can figure this thing out there's only one ball we're not worried about katie. What about hardening kyrie. All do the following. Shoot the lights out from three are great free throw shooters and can in the paint above or below the rim depending on who we're talking about they can also pass the ball. The question is will harden have the willingness to do it. I don't mean it's a shot clock expiring you get rid of it because you can't get your own shot. I mean a real hockey assists even same with kyri will will hardening kyrenia. Katie's selfish well. The other two guys be if they are. Don't forget joe harris. It's not like the only thing. Joe harris can do is shoot but like he's one of those players i think of like klay thompson is the ultimate example. Clay could do a lot of things very good defender but and he can even put the ball on the floor. But that's not really what you want. Klay doing clay is the best shooter of all. The guys who do think more things than just shoot right allan houston once upon a time like that was that for the knicks. Not a great defender. But he wasn't trent tucker back in the day he could actually shoot and do other things. Joe harris can do other things but understand. He shoots better than k. D. harden and kyrie. How do you defend the team. They can all shoot from the outside they can shoot free throws most of them can pass and when they want to defend but can they get along eighty eight say. Espn dan and austin. You're on the max kellerman show. Espn radio ajax. I just wanna say. I don't think we're ever going to see this big three or kyrie and james harden sharing the court in brooklyn. I think whatever's going on between kyrie and the nets organization precipitated. This trade and that the nets organization would agree with my take that The two players are incompatible not just for xs and os but their personalities and the. I thought that originally dan. I thought that originally like this is not a good idea. And i said don't trade for harden but that was before the dinwiddie injury the dinwiddie injury meant. They were one of the strengths with depth. In terms of top flight players. They were deep in terms of very good players. Didn't what he's a better than average starter as was levert. Jared allen's good. You know they had a lot of those guys. Plus they had k. d. and kyrie but once you lose dinwiddie you need another guy who can create off the dribble and you need that guy to be a lot better than dinwiddie because now you have less stuff and at that point i understand the harden trade. It's not ideal but you still want to compete for a championship. You've got to bring in a big gun. And that's james harden georgia new jersey on the max kellerman show. Espn radio are you doing. I was just the they're going to score points but no size. I didn't stop. Anthony davis when championship come are they gonna get rebounds. How's it going to stop officer boards. I don't see how that's going to happen. And so all of his good. They're going to score points in the regular season but when the championship comes and everything tightens up. They got nobody inside the stop. Anybody i think that's a very good point. But i don't think the nets are done making deals in other words when you look at what they got back. Four unprotected first round swaps. Four unprotected first round picks but we're not expecting the picks and twenty twenty two to be great because the nets will be very good so maybe you use some of that draft capital to bring in a player to help you on defense. I mentioned i mentioned the val mcgee's of the world right but yes you're right. it's presently constructed. You're right defensively. it's a problem. Who's going to grab rebounds. The nets have enough tradable commodities now assets to fine tune the roster and get what they need before the trade deadline and l. a. are on the max kellerman show. Espn radio imacs check. Hear me i gotcha max. Hey so i have one simple point I haven't heard yet for all the people who think that the nets are going to be a chemistry disaster 'cause they act like getting harden was just a random idea that they haven't thought into but here's my point tyree and harden are both professional basketball players and i'm sure they're fully aware of similar styles. There's no way that they didn't talk to each other to come to some kind of agreement before they were going to join forces that may be. You're sure that may be but even if they didn't let me say a couple of things number one if kyrie in fact is not gonna play basketball this year. You need it even more after the dinwiddie trade because now you don't have another guy to create off the dribble when dinwiddie goes down and if kyrie is not there any either now you really need a great player in the back court so the hardened trades even more important there and in terms of whether they discussed it or i have the best laid plans of mice and men like it may not work anyway right but i would think hard in particular is extremely motivated to make this work extremely motivated and remember hardens to hedge against well first of all is you bring them in because you lost dinwiddie but also the hedge against maybe kyrenia playing basketball this year for personal issues or whatever else. If that's the case then you wanna make sure harden has a lot at stake and he does. How's it gonna look hardened goes joins us team and it falls apart. Say all right james. You're a great scorer. Sure you can shoot threes and shoot free throws but can you. Can you win with anyone who you need. I you are on that when you were all puppies. Katie and westbrook in a bucket team. Then you got you wound up getting by the way. He played poorly in the playoffs. As a six man you wind up getting dealt then you play under your standards almost every year in the playoffs with the rockets. And i you want dwight howard. It doesn't work out. And then you want. Chris paul or they bring chris paul you want him gone and now you ask for westbrook they give you your boy and after one year. You're like both parties are like well. Let me be very clear. We're still boys. Just wanna play together. What is it gonna take. Okay now. here's k. D. and kyrie can you. Can you win with anyone. No harden not only has to disprove the idea that he can't shoot under pressure which he hasn't been able to do for the most part but also that he can't play well with others in other words. He's not a championship player. Harden has a lot at stake and a lot of motivation to make this work with or without kyrie now. predicting kyrie's future is something else. I hope kyrie's okay. I hope he's got. I hope this whatever issues. He's having personally him his family anything. I hope everyone's all right. And i hope he has his head screwed on straight charles in new jersey on the max kellerman show espn radio. Good afternoon max. Issue is the defense who's gonna be the rim protector jordan's washed up. Who's gonna stop. It'd be well listen. I know one stopping and be. But i told you i told you earlier. That the the issue with the nets is there so much draft capital at this point that they'll be able to swing a deal to fine tune the roster by the deadline. I'll even tell you what they'll use if you're the nets and you have four. First unprotected first rounders four unprotected swaps like if they have a better draft position than you you can just swap with them. if that's the case then the draft picks you're gonna use are the ones coming right up while you're going to be good while and they have one of milwaukee's picks to wolman. Walkie is good so the twenty twenty two picks can be used to get good stuff to fine tune the roster if they need defense watch. These guys play together. What do you need the andre jordan. Need some help. we need something else with you. Stretch for whatever it. Is you probably going to be able to get it. And still hold. Onto the valuable draft picks which are those picks unprotected picks and swaps in the years. Two thousand twenty four but especially twenty twenty six and twenty twenty seven k. D. weighed in on the hardened deal really didn't want to say much about it. You know how he kind of plays the media. I'm not gonna give you much. You asked me. You know. I'm just going to give you one word answers. Here's kyw at the nets presser. After the harden deal was announced losing teammates in in charissa jared torian. But also welcome in you know. T- maiden james even finalized. We'll talk about it and another time. I know you don't want to get into things until they are official but looking pass looking into the past. What was it like to play with james. What do you remember about him as a teammate. Because you have played together. Yeah yeah it was fun. He's just going to give you the one word answer by the way this was a team. That's really good day. One of the season losing dinwiddie was a big problem. Like when you think about the team at the beginning of the season. I had preferred that to this when it was and they were using leverett off the bench. I disagree. I ll avert should have been starting and dinwiddie. Should've come off the bench. Kyri dinwiddie ll avert. Joe harris jared allen. Kevin durant hits. Just keep coming now. What he's out for the season he's gone goodbye. Charissa verts been traded gun goodbye. Jared allen's gone in the trade goodbye. That's has your good players. I mean it's not your any of your very best players but it's half your good once and you got james harden coming back and there may be chemistry issues. We'll see celtics. Were in on the talks says danny ainge quote. We had numerous talks but the price wasn't really changing said on a radio interview on thursday. The price is really high for us and it was just something we really didn't want to do. I get the nets also thinking. Don't let this brother go to philadelphia without philly. Giving up ben simmons o or even if they gave up ben simmons in the short term. That's a problem but you know what. After the first game of the season i looked at the nets and thought phillies. Shouldn't trade benson's for james harden. They shouldn't do it because they're going to need someone to defend k. d. now no one can do one on one but if everyone in basketball who gets real minutes because they can play on the other end of the court then senators your best bet. He's a great defender and he's six foot ted prio. La you're on the max kellerman show espn radio. But i just wanted to say. I know all these guys. I'm listening to him. Calling in with their detailed explanations for uae. This why because i remember when pearl game for the bullets and they needed three basketball. 'cause 'cause walt clyde frazier was next jerry west at that time. 'cause the big old but but but i know that but but you need people forget about candidacy and james ward wa winemakers in tape down all over the place. Cut me through. You took west fraser. James you sometime as you can chat the nights when i want to say about. The mets mac is that it could be a small thing like maybe cadre found out that was coming and he was gonna make ten dollars more per week. Then he's making on his day jay. It could be something small like that well as usual. I'm not sure what primoz talking about. But like listening to him. Talk about primo. The way talks. I like it. He just blessed free association. Chains brought up half the nba earl. The pearl in tampa. You're on the max richaud. Espn radio lewis in tampa. I see i see the little on. Espn plus i see the voice stuff moving the little lino meter moving as louis talking. But there's no one there all right you see them not playing around with the calls today. Roj lot of people wanna talk about this. They're gonna get to talk about it. It'd be ready come out and rapid fire coming. I'm not just an ex. Max not just in the last. You gotta be ready kids. I know as a kid. When i listened to sports talk radio when something big happening command. Let me get in there. Everyone wants to get in there me. Tell you something bunch of misconceptions for me to clear up about this. Including who's under the most pressure kyri or james harden. That's a trick question. I'm going to give you the real answer coming up. Also this is the first time in the history of basketball. That you've had something. I'm going to tell you about coming up a la breaking injury news with the rams but just to get you to listen. I'm not gonna tell you. If it's jared goff or aaron donald that i'm referring to we want the best of both worlds. We want a hybrid a smarter. Hybrid cloud approach with ibm helps banks personalized experiences with watson. Well helping keep data secure. The world is going hybrid with ibm. Visit ibm dot com slash cloud. We want the best of both worlds. We want a hybrid a smarter hybrid cloud approach with. Ibm helps retailers. Manage supply chains with watson. Ai while predicting demands with ease the world is going hybrid with ibm visit ibm dot com slash cloud. Max the podcast. Aaron rodgers to me is the mvp. This season is the best season. he's ever hat idle gender. Like that doesn't have a space in my brain. Jared goff is the most important player in the nfc playoffs. Any credibly. Difficult challenge for green bay. Yes breaking news that. it's in the previous segment. Unfortunately we don't live in a world where you could have something in your pocket like a. That's a phone and a computer in a camera. You can just look up on some search engine. What the news and immediately get all the information you had to wait through that entire commercial break. And it's not like you listened to the sportscenter update because i told you not to just waiting to hear it from me so here. It is now to to end the suspense john. Wolford has been declared out late bortles because of his neck memories. Sustain that injury. And that's why gough came in and lead them to victory. It'll be blake bortles backing up. Goff on the frozen tundra of green bay. Gafa perioda mostly healthy after being thrust into duty against the seahawks but the rams mid week Well roger wrote something. Here that makes no sense in english and raj world might producer raj. This may make some sense here. I'll read what rogers wrote. But the rams midweek needle thread actually seem true instead of merely coach. Speak to justify sitting goth in seattle colon. He was healthy enough now. He's changing as now. He's editing as i'm saying he was healthy enough to back up but not quite ready to start with another. Yes raj raj. We're sending you to remedial english class right after this show. I don't know what the words words sentences have meaning based on the order of words and the actual meaning of sure you understand anyway. Let's hear from donald them all career just anything and they're really at a real injury got way. See out least but this. Is this the first one. I'm good thing rather a great job of trust the process with them before he can't be on a routine they want me to do on. Just be cautious be smart. No china twitter Come game day radio address process a business anyway. Room still feel a strong goes up. It will aaron. Donald expects to be a full go when the team faces the packers on saturday. And it's a good thing for the rams because golf he alleged a win with the bad thumb against a good team in seattle. great defense. but you ain't gonna beat the packers in a shootout. You're going to beat the packers. If the defense shows up an arid donald you have to devote so many resources on your offensive line to aaron donald that it makes other guys around him better. Jalen ramsey is a taller jalen ramsey. You now few quarterbacks in the history of football were genuine shutdown corners. Jalen ramsey played so well this year. I felt sorry for number one receivers at times and in this day and age. Everything favors the receiver. Everything all the rules are there. And it's it's harder to play defense an offense anyway. All the rules are there to favor. The receivers and i feel sorry for number one's going up against ramsey and yet it's donald who's the most important defensive player and he's going to have to be if not at his best. He's going to have to be great. Because aaron rodgers at the age of thirty seven through for forty eight touchdowns this season forty three hundred yards. Whatever is not a gaudy number forty three hundred yards in this day and age but forty eight. Td's a lot of people still wanna talk round ball right now. What's going on lebron. Ad in a well oiled machine is paul. Pierce said earlier in the show. Lebron ad are favored to win the whole thing and a lot of people don't like the fit but sometimes we are over thinking it the reason i think there's the most pressure on durant right now not hard. Not on kyrie but on k. D. is people kid. He's already won a championship. Stop that k. d. Joined seventy three win team a seventy three win team that came one possession away from winning the championship the previous year. Any mvp caliber player. Anyone even an all star caliber players simply added to a seventy three win. Team makes it impossible to beat that team. Kate don't get credit for me for winning championships with the warriors. It's ridiculous ridiculous. It'd be like what team came up just short of a championship. You know if if the knicks came up. Just short of beating the rockets and the next year michael jordan joined the knicks. Would we be like. Oh see that he unbelievable. But it's worse than that even because it was a seventy three win team. It's not just a powerhouse team that seemed to get to the finals. They were considered. Maybe the best team ever. They're going to replace the seventy two win. Bowls durant joined that team so stop it. Then he'd made a very gutsy decision. He joined the brooklyn nets. he said. watch this. I'm going to start from scratch and lead a team to a championship. Okay k. d. people aren't gonna remember the fit that this that they're going to know you had james harden and kyrie irving. Did you win a championship by the way did you just get there even. Did you get their leo in new york city. You're on the max kellerman show espn radio. Hey how you doing max I have to agree with you. I think this year we're going to see a net lakers final thought from the beginning of the season before James harden came. I was all for the nets fade. I gotta say. I see a lot of mixed personalities and my confidence has gone down. I know a lot of netspend since i live in new york city. Everyone hurt by the news. If i'm being honest with you 'cause. I saw a ticket to the championship. I have to say though i ha. I am optimistic. Because i know if anyone can handle it i think it's gonna be steve nash. She's a players coach. I think d'antoni has been able to weather the storm and used to the best he can and amari stoudamire being a player development coach. I just think they're going to be able to get it together. I know there's a lot of talk about wears korea and kyrie is gonna come back and like wherever he is. I think it's like good. Like let them handle what he has to handle. What is what's your name. Who am i talking to leo. Leo has to take a breath deep breath. I've been there before. Leo when i was a kid i used to call sports. Talk aren't russ junior talking sports. Your heart beat fast as you're waiting then you actually get through. Leo's out of breath. He was very nervous. Made some good points. I wanna take another quick one roj. I saw caller. I wanted to get to right now. And that is griffin in texas with a very interesting point mr kelly mean i got. I got the ring. It's here all gotta do kyrie's head case he's a mess and it's not worth the trouble at the end of the day. You need the exact opposite of him. The answers been right in front of us since two thousand twelve. You need somebody that's gonna put their head down and get buckets. No matter what their life on the line that's russell westbrook trade one for one and run it back. You have the best ending in sports history if they beat the lakers in the finals like that. Well what i like is you're talking about getting the band back together. It would be the silman of the okay see potential. But in brooklyn an franchise did or a city that didn't have a team when westbrook to rant and harden. We're all playing together. You know ten years. You mentioned like years lay a decade later. They're all in brooklyn and they finally win a championship. It be amazing. But i disagree. I think if kyrie his head screwed on straight that big differences kyri while you're right westbrook's all effort all the time. I love westbrook baci rican. Shoot it westbrook. Can't and that's what makes this team right now. Think of the starting five james harden's e one of the great scorers of all time and can shoot two three and free throws like nobody's business kyrie's and even better three point shooter and free throw shooter. Then james harden kevin durant can do that stuff at least as well as either one of those who may be better and he's seven feet tall. None of them are the best shooter in the starting lineup. That is clearly joe harris on guard. -able if they can make this if they can get along. It's impossible to defend them. Do you own or rent your home. Sure you do. And i bet it can be hard work you know. It's easy bundling policies with geico. Geico it easy to bundle your homeowner's or renter's insurance along with your auto policy it's a good thing too because you already have so much to do around your home. Go to geico dot com quote and see how much you could save. Its gyco easy visit. Geico dot com today. That's geico dot com. That's dan once white once last thing. 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And but you know you got some great characters making appearances and cameos and and re appearances in in in this thing and it just got me thinking to start my star wars action figures when i was a kid action figures toys or the one part of the economy right like if you think about toys maybe soda and candy. Basically price hasn't changed much. And when you're a kid. When i was a kid anyway. That's the only thing that i cared about. Five six years old seven eight years old. You want toys soda and candy. Their prices may be doubled in forty years when the prices of other things has got up. Ten and twenty times. So my mother's takes tomase in new york to buy toys. That's the that's the budget macy's maze and we can get a five dollar stores action figure whatever it was late seventies early eighties and one year for my birthday. Maybe it was a hanukkah thing or whatever but it was. I could get like a big president and wanted the millennium falcon millennium falcon. Had just come out and it was got tomase and we looked at the millennium falcon had all the compartments. The star wars action figures fit in. Just right han solo chewbacca. You know who knows there are no rules. Maybe even throw boba fett in there. Who knows do whatever. I want once you buy the toys you don't have to follow the script anyway. So mother look at the price of the millennium falcon. I want to say it was like fifty bucks for media thirty five but whatever it was too much too much thirty. Five dollars from romania fund. Got here you know all right. So what can i. What can i spent twenty dollars. My can't even get a tie. Fighter an excellent fighter for twenty bucks. I'm gonna twenty bucks. So i start looking around. May's toy store in one spaceship i could get. I didn't know if i could get my star. Wars action figures in there. But i could afford it. Problem was it wasn't a star wars ship. It was a two thousand one space odyssey ship with little orange figures that fit inside but i get rid of the orange figures and try to jam. Few stalwarts action figures in there. And pretend it was a star wars spaceship. Never seen something so sorry c. Three po with a little arm sticking out of the front of the ship because it can't fit cheap parents this cold blooded man. What about your friends. What would your friends get on. They had them latium. Come oh go. to france. houses they'd have to have x wing fighters in high fighters fred's he. My friend could broke. Parents had all kinds of spaceships figured out a way to get their kid. I remember one hannukah birthday. I got a you know the imperial walkers they were so fresh like around eighty one the set in the second grade. Maybe everyone wanted to imperial walker. Mother opened the president. Thanks i got the president over the president and it was the scene from the imperial walker like little plastic snow with like a little antenna or something. And if you were a little spots where you could place. The action figures that it would go into their foot you know. They had little circle cut out of their foot. So they'd stand there but no imperial walker. Can't even i love you. Know watching star wars stuff now. Espn dizzy plus but very angry parents. Every time i gonna hit the divisional playoffs tomorrow. Max kellerman show espn radio. Thanks for listening to the max kellerman show make sure you subscribe rate and review. You can hear the show lot weekdays at two pm eastern on. Espn radio espn news. Or wherever you stream your audience.

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The Last Fun Knicks Team: Indy-NY Game 3, 1999 (w/ Sean Fennessey & Jason Concepcion) | Book of Basketball 2.0

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The Last Fun Knicks Team: Indy-NY Game 3, 1999 (w/ Sean Fennessey & Jason Concepcion) | Book of Basketball 2.0

"Episode Sixteen of the Book Basketball two point. Oh podcast on the ringer. PODCAST network is brought to you by state farm just like basketball. The game of life is unpredictable unpredictable. Talk to a state farm agent. Get a teammate. Who can help you navigate? The unexpected knows unexpected. The Knicks having their last great moment other than Lynch Sanity Being Nineteen Ninety nine. We're GONNA be covering that in a second Get a teammate. Who can help you navigate the unexpected talk to a state farm agent today? If you love basketball on the Bill Simmons podcast me and Ryan Russillo. Joe Has we picked a all of our all star teams for both conferences and add and a pretty spirited conversation about why. NBA Ratings are down and a whole bunch of other things. So if you like the current league out highly suggest that one if you like gone backwards and if you're a knicks fan and things have not been going well for you the last twenty years this podcast it will be both uplifting incredibly depressing. It's a moment in time. That feels like to me that it happened three years ago or that had happened three hundred years ago. And I'm I'm not sure which one it is. We're GONNA break down in my opinion. The last great playoff game in next history. That's all coming up. My name is bill. Simmons this is the basketball the sale support of basketball basketball basketball basketball. Patrick Ewing's quest for a championship now continues from the New York sideline and a warrior who has endured so much. This time. The pain has become too great to overcome. Reggie Miller has been unhappy with his performance thus far against the Knicks and has been unsuccessful from three point range but he's earned the reputation of Dick Killer here at the garden. Can they stop his assault. The Pacers Knicks are next but is the NBA on NBC. But my team. Ninety nine and the Indiana Pacers versus the New York Knicks to die hard. Knick fans are here Jason Step Sione who already looks sad dad Sean. Fantasy high and You could say this was the last great nick moment. It really wasn't because they win game six of the series. They make the finals that was arguably the next Bowman. I'm GonNa Start with the legacy of the nine thousand nine hundred ninety six okay I have a whole list but just top of your head. Lexi nineteen ninety-six for you the probably the most inspiring Knicks team. I have rooted for but I didn't realize that until we got to about this game because they should have been over dog and they played like shit all season and they were eighth seed going into the playoffs and they kinda ran roughshod through the first two rounds and I remember getting emotionally jacked about them winning the title when this game after this. Actually this could happen Jason yet. The last Knicks team that really mattered. They were on fumes at this point and I had kind of written them off but one six of of their last eight to get into the playoffs in the first place and there is always that kind of sleeping giant. Feel where well if you know all the pieces come together somehow and they can catch rhythm mm maybe they can destroy people and they were like the kind of team that on one night. You'd be like these guys look like strangers and then the next night be like Oh this is a title team and it. It was the last time that you could realistically think this is a relevant team with a shot at the title so you didn't feel that way in two thousand thirteen with Carmelo had TV. Your that team had a run. They're making a ton of threes and Carmelo is playing great. You were always Cernan. I I was high on that and then inexplicably. They went away from the thing that had got them there and had decided to meet size with size instead of Go Small Ball which got them there and shoot threes. And I'm not saying they would it be like you know it was less than really matter. This was the last truly truly beloved Knicks team. I would say nine hundred ninety nine now interesting about this would you have ahead. There's a couple of moments. There are fifty Games Kamari and Gallo in that crew was I thought had a pretty high Q.. Score among Knicks fans and sanity was insane when sanity was truly truly the only good moment of the last ten years for the Knicks. The Best Mountain. It's unbelievable to in my life. He's torching like old Kobe. WHO SAYS IT lists Iran? Oh the thing about the Lakers game where he scored thirty seven. Kevin had the spin move against Fisher amazing at that point. He was not taking people by surprise. They were like Kobe before the game. People were gaming for for Lynn and he gate them it was a Friday night on ESPN. It was amazing so yeah I had this as the last truly lovable Knicks playoff run. Let's go with that sure. Dolan takes over the next in August nineteen ninety nine three months after this. I don't think it's a coincidence. Those two things feel like they're at least a little bit related related. I'm sorry to bring that up. I don't think specifically knew that. Yeah so the guy was doing research. I can't remember the guy's name but the guy who is the chairman of of Cable vision was running the next. He died of pancreatic cancers like fifty two but yeah began with an L. London guard. Yeah and then Dolan and ended up taking over so that's one thing another legacy of this team. That was a really horrible lockout season. That was just despicable people. Were going to get into some of this stuff. Just how bizarre was and they crammed season in three months all that stuff but I look back in the season. The only thing was this knicks. RUN RUN AND AL FRANKEN threes. And you ain't going down the birth of the ewing theory spree in Them actually somehow making the finals els and other than that. Nothing like unless you wanted to say. Oh Man I really love the ninety nine spurs man and I'll never forget not on their freer watching Duncan that you're like nobody talks about that. Not even memorable spurs team in my mind. You know it was it was I think it was the last time it was Dunkin. Robinson together guess is notable boat. No is the last time together when Robinson there's actually good break when he could really three was so another legacy was the US theory which will get into a little bit which unfairly was tied to him? The twinkle in your hi is very the whole story. That is great. We'll get another legacy for me watching spree Houston and candy eh altogether as kind of like this as a foundation. All those guys are in their twenties spread Ben an NBA first team guide. Nine hundred ninety four coming off the PJ Jay choking thing yes just how you gotta Houston was one of the. I don't know best six two guards in the league best for I don't know where he ranked the NBA team got a lot of feelings about his and then can be was a top five lottery. Pick livewire spring kind of seems like a guy who is the direction where the League was going and this was the peak of he dived. Today he'd be pick and roll he'd be on the Rockets Young Camby's Daryl traded to I far this roster in the NBA. Today would be really interesting. Yeah because they'd be playing in a slightly different way. But that like that long wing shoelders spreading being the floor. Dive Guy like you're talking about point guards who don't have to do too much trials in ward playing off of each other like it would be an interesting team and it doesn't seem very interesting when you watch them. In Ninety nine two. Had he had the blower back issue which caused like a massive loss of muscle ache in his legs sciatica thing recreated it himself as a jump shooter was a credible distance threat kind of like all the all the pieces for a modern NBA team. Although they played an absolutely Lee stone-age way. Yeah I J young on Charlotte versus the Eljay in this game. It's like night and day. I don't WanNA comparative Zaire. 'cause I think one of the best athletes had but his game was I on issue. You would have. It is an early Charlotte where he was just as physical force of Nature Dunkin on dudes and people bouncing off and by the time this knicks run totally ground but weirdly savvy. Yeah foot work. There's a lot of head fakes. A lot of any moves in the post. It's all like earned wisdom from getting knocked around for years but he's he's such an interesting character because he was such a famous basketball. Yeah you know like grandma on the ad campaign around all that. UNLV was I think one of the all-time famous college. He's I've ever watched. And that's prefab five. And he was really a sort of a conic player for three or four seasons and then he gets injured and then he has a pretty credible four or five year. Run with the Knicks. But there's not a lot of memory of him as a like as we get older. I don't feel like Eljay has much history other than the signature plant in this game. Jason's getting misty as the also. Just the branding. You know the grandma branding was so fresh for the timeline to create this like character around your playing style as a young player. We're coming without. It was really amazing. And just you know he was a force. I'm GonNa say this carefully because of the times we live in two shots getting nervous. I'm good the grim on my thing was the first time I remember the shoe. Companies being like this guy is black here fucking marketing him anyway in kind of owning running that piece of it before it was always like they're trying to market a black league to mostly white people and it's very magic Johnson and the big seven up ads and him smiling Michael Jordan and everything's carefully done in this Larry Johnson was the first time where they were thinking about it. Almost like the hip hop air is starting to pick up saint time. They're looking at him going. This guy's cool. It's just own it and sell them. Grandma was reebok right. Yeah and I think he's a real precursor Iverson. I WanNa who also is reebok kind of away from the Dole and you're definitely right. It was one of those things. That in nineteen eighty-five even it was inconceivable. Aw that somebody would build an whole ad campaign around Larry Johnson What he's also playing like media you know like he's just doing tyler? Perry twenty four Tyler. Perry right Another legacy this team. I just totally forgot. So they're not. They play Miami. I watched the last couple of minutes of that game. They're down three three without the ball in the last minute. Miami's chokes completely. Yep the Knicks choke the Knicks. Have the ball down one. Twenty five seconds left run like the worst play of all time. The ball bounces. What's is out of bounds? Four point eight seconds left and then Miami just kind of forget the cover. Houston he sneaks around hits his shot it bounces around. I think he would've took them the rebound if it missed and all of a sudden. They're beating Miami. Miami was the team. Everyone thought it was GonNa make the finals. The thing about the Knicks. Miami rivalry was the heat only beat the Knicks that at one year where there was the fight and all the Knicks got suspended ninety seven every other year the Knicks fucking own them. Yeah Ninety nine two thousand two thousand one but those were like the worst rock fights as bad and we're gonNA talk about this. As bad as the style of play is with Indiana. People were taking threes at least versus the heat it was it was is like Cro Mag basketball. We're too because just like that Knicks team. which on paper looks actually kind of athletic and fun? That's a really impressive heat team you basically got morning. Yeah She Jay Brown warning was almost when the. MVP Hardaway for Sean Leonard. That was kind of and Marley it. Dan Marley like that those. Those teams were athletic. They could theoretically could shoot. But it main every games felt like it was seventy eight seventy four well in the backstory for the young ones out. There rally revives the next in the nineties. They come as close as you can come to win. The finals does basically without winning the finals. Then they lose the next year and then he splits for Miami and he's a traitor immediately branded. It's a whole big thing so hold on negotiates. This was the Miami Heat during the during the playoffs while he is coaching the Nixon the playoffs against Indiana who is secretly negotiating with the heat the terms of his coming over to be their coach. It would almost be like if players tried to do that now. But we kyrie irving new. WHO's GonNa go to Brooklyn when he it was still on the Celtics? That would never happen. Cambering is so much and the fact that like teams in players. Just get away with tampering. Now Yeah but the heat were the need had to he'd it had to give up a draft pick and some money to the next which basically means like a we call you tampering and it was worse than that because as you said nobody was doing it back then. The Knicks fans were so so upset and took it so personally and feel completely betrayed but that was a very sensitive time too because bill belichick more or less than the exact same thing to the jets when when he shifts the jets with the you know I resign as h c of NYJ on the on the hotel bar Napkin and then goes to their rival. They deserved it so so. The player impairment was really i. The coach empowered era sooner coaches did their own thing. Peter Roseburg we wrote a piece about the nineteen ninety nine next. you can find the ringer dot com gray. said his quote was I think fancier have been chasing the feeling and attitude of that team. Ever since to me. They're just it's a hard nosed gutsy team that. Define the way New Yorkers think of basketball you grew that I do because the The Knicks fans psyche is really interesting in that. New York is objectively one of the great cities in the world a center of Finance and culture and yet knicks fans fans certainly of the eighties nineties era are like we're underdogs. Nobody likes us. We're like the scummy kids ads in the street just grinding. And it's the Bulls and these other teams. That are like the princes on a hill. So it's weird underdog feeling and I think with L. J. like a diminished. I L J. Yeah spree who was cast aside after strangling coach. Ewing's engineering on the downhill. There was this feeling of. We're just these guys they were they were the warriors like from the movie the Warriors. We're just greedy guys with the salary cap. That's twice through the League. Salary cap is paid. But if you're right they somehow pulled that off or they felt like underdogs and meanwhile they probably should be playing football. You know what I mean. Yeah so just brief back story of just the the next three decades seventies eighties nineties. You're coming off. The iconic Willis Reed Frazier teams. It dips in the mid Seventies. They start chasing seen. These big high priced superstars one after the other Try to get Spencer Haywood. They tried to get back into They tried to get Kareem. That didn't work out. They try to George McGinnis. They're always in the mix for whoever the super expensive way. So then they head into the cocaine era they they end up with Michael Ray Richardson. WHO's one most guys there and did the most cocaine probably of anybody superior into into crack houses rate of throw that Whole Airway they stumble Amblin to Bernard King? And he's this guy who is another guy who did a lot of the cocaine of that era. He's failed in two teams. They trade McRae Richardson for for him. But he redeems himself and becomes awesome. He gets hurt they win the lottery. And then ewing Pat Riley. They have this whole run Pat Riley leaves. They're really relevant. They're all three decades like what's happened. The last twenty years is the complete opposite. I think of those last week. They weren't winning finals after nineteen seventy-three but at least they were in the mix I think in my lifetime to to to jump off what Jason McCain to about this ninety nineteen the signature signature team of my lifetime is probably the sort of ninety four ninety five era teams which established a just a different kind of identity and then made that ninety nineteen make more sense so much more Oakley Mason. Playing alongside. Ewing vary enforcer basketball. Very slow John starks having like incredible Cinderella. The kind of story working bagging groceries and then coming into the League and Mason too. He was like another guy. Same thing guys who were who who were just not elite free agent types guys who were not drafted and those teams play that they were Shakespearean you know the way that they could never quite get there and the way that always felt something. There's always something tragic about what they did. The nineteen even though they were much more talented and a lot of ways were more frustrating because they just played really badly through the fifty game season and they kind of seem stacked. When you look back at like I looked at the Hawks team from ninety nine and that was I think? The hawks were one-seater three. See they're really blaylock. Smith Steve Smith decamp prime. You know and like that. That wasn't really like a great team. You Know Nixon Way. More talented ox team swept them. So let's so woods do the background on the ninety nine season. They have a lockout. The lockout ends in mid-january after Barkley get slapped by okay. I think that was turns an acrimonious A lot of acrimony involved in the lockout on many sides and within each side there was an also really the last ugly racial NBA moment. There is a racial undercurrent of a lot of it was making so much money. Yeah who are these guys. How can they go on strike? And then Kenny Anderson had that whole thing about it came out he had a cars and it was using ewing at one point said this is a fight for survival and that was spun as look at this millionaire saying that. He's he's got a survivor ormat. People didn't like the direction. I don't think you know like a lot of the stuff that Iverson was bringing to the table and that hip hop influenced coming into the league. The older fans are like what the fuck is this. What's going on with that guy's hair It was just uncomfortable in a lot of different ways that all these the lockout they finally settle it they have have to start the season on February fifth. They have to figure out how to play fifty games and an entire playoffs in five months. So you have a fifty game. I'm CJ the Knicks are the eighth seed. They're twenty seven and twenty three the Miami's the one seed. They're thirty three and seventeen. They're only six games better than the next. The Knicks as you said it barely make the playoffs. They spent twice as much as the salary. Cap was as sure. The demoted demoted there. She is in the the middle of the Indian in April in the middle of the season. Who is their GM? Sean Ernie Grunfeld Ernie Grunfeld. It's all right. He would go on to have a long road that was not op distinguished but very very very long and confusing career as as the lead executive for the Washington Wizards great fact for this. They demoted him. In mid April. After a seventy andy three to sixty seven loss to philly there was an actual scored. They said that I'm saying this right now. I would take Ernie Grunfeld today over over. Anybody have over over the last twenty years so the theory about that now. He's been a complete sucked for fifteen years for the wizards tortured wizards fans for a decade. And a half I would take him right on four powerful. It's been extremely bad. So the next season they play fifty games in three months. I was just looking at their schedule because I think the whole lockout season hasn't got enough credit as being completely insane. They played eleven games in one thousand nine days in February shod. They played ten games in fourteen days. March including five six six days. They played five games and six days insane including back to back to back. Bet You got hurt. Yeah all right. Why did his? Why does go go down? From February. Fifth to June twenty fifth when they lost the fifth game of the finals they played seventy games in five and a half months Alan Houston played at seventy games. Twenty six hundred minutes five months so just bizarre And by the time they get to the finals. No Ewing Larry Johnson's out or playing hurt. He'd done something. Kurt Thomas Assert they. They're left with Sprewell Camby. Houston Chris Childs. A lot of Chris. Dudley like gotta get shocking. Charlie Ward honestly gave us some good minutes All right the legacy game three you and goes down the game before a game to Achilles chilies injury and this is he's starting to do this right. It's says worst that this case is good in game one though he was vintage. Patrick Ewing Game One and there was this hope is feeling that this was the over. The Hump Jordan has gone now. Is Our time writing going on because of what Jason was saying at the beginning of the show which is like even though there were so rag during the season throwing like pulling off the bench as your energy guy that he was impossible to stop at times. Yeah and so. If you have ewing anchoring the first unit and spree will comes on and it's just running the break for twelve minutes they were. They were tricky team to play with Houston spree spree in eljay arguably eljay. Those are three players offensively that are better than any partner that Patrick Ewing had had had to that point. It I mean starks was like could give you twenty on a given night laying one for sixteen. He never ewing. Never Johnny Newman. Dan Kenny skywalker. He he never had that other person that you could be really. They really think that. That player scored twenty i. I was a big Gerald Wilkins Guy I really like Jordan advanced metrics wouldn't like Gerald's game. I don't think as much the we started about spree. Well what are the cause. He's such a big part of this game and he's part of the legacies terrible in this game but he was a really really good player. WHO NOT A lot? The people were watching. Because I don't even think I didn't get league pass until two thousand two thousand one In fantasy who has a fantasy team yes rounds guy yes that is probably how I followed. Because he had a season in his second or third year he had like twenty five and five. Yeah and that was pretty important for swing man like that. I remember are when he made first team on. Ba like just being dumbfounded by it. I think I'd seen him play like three times the whole season. But he's he's one of the best two guards in the league. The first time I saw saw him I think was the Chris. Webber Commercial Nike Commercial. Yeah and the barber shop. When the pissed bark the one that pissed off Barclay because it's about it's about Weber talking about how he dunked on Barclay and like his thirst and that was the first time I was like Latrell Sprewell? So he's a handful yes and then Decided to choke coach and then he left the gym and came back in Punch again and they decided to suspend them in. This became the dumb. I can't even imagine in the social media area how the story would be treated and it was how it unfolds. As he ends up getting paid uh-huh they suspended without pay. The union fights for and all the fans are like. He choked his coach. She you. He shouldn't get paid. And then that becomes this legal battle in the ice him for the whole season then the lockout happens and then he ends up on the New York Knicks. I knew and you stole him. It was a great trade. You you gave up nothing. He was like old John starks. Chris Bills that was it. Ernie Grunfeld man. I remember when that happened immediately in my heart art I would. I just embraced Latrell Sprewell. I was worse a embrace. PJ was asking for it. Listen we don't know what happened in Burnett. PJ said he said well he apparently said something about put a little more mustard on the pass and then the Latrell sprewell listen like we don't know the Baxter we don't I don't know all the other. The rest of the context was happening. And listen where's PJ. I haven't seen him on the sidelines. In in that ties we saw PJ EJ he was starting Kevin Durant at the two Seattle. Now if you want. What's he been doing what you want a great points you know? All I know is Latrell then went went on to have a nice run with the timber. Wolves where's PJ. I embrace the guy was like. Yes this is the kind of competitor that we need. I will say he was a perfect. MSG Next Kinda was but you really was really did sock that season. Yeah because basically taking a year off from the suspension saying he wasn't healthy right and like if you look at his count thinks that's a pretty bad pretty bad. I actually researched this. He the the. PJ thing happened December ninety-seven the season next season didn't start till February nineteen ninety nine so he didn't play for fourteen months and then he got hurt in the second game. He missed August thirteen games with the heal. The hurt from that point on cause and then they're playing back to back to back out and so I I don't think he's healthy and then van Gundy had to bring them off the bench and there's a like a great quote that I think i read in our ringer piece where Vinnie was saying yes Spree has been very honest with me about his feelings wings about coming off the bench but I love it i. That's the kind I just love that kind of fire which apparently like sprees this like. Hey I don't WanNa come off the fucking bench. But he did and yet to have a sub like that is really amazing reminder and when I coach Snoop Dogg in this celebrity game and he was like coach. I'm I'm going back in. I was like sure thanks to think you should go back. This was one of the last truly great. MSG moments it's And I would actually put it in Holon Mazot ten the the the crowd chanting Mas Goths name the the day before it gets traded that doesn't rate insanity as great. There was a marbury moment when he came back trade. When I think they WANNA play off game mellow sixty two? There's some there's been some good ones. This is way up. This is a great inner also has would eventually became the famous shot of a wide shot in the the top deck of the crowd. Jumping out of the writing is what has to be one of the best crowd shots ever shots get missing I I well I I think Jason. I both had like a really weirdly emotional relationship to this team in in in this playoffs. Yeah because nobody had any confidence going into it so it was just up up like every feeling was ascending up until game. I was going to say this is the last great Larry Johnson woman ever. But it wasn't because the next year he banked three to finish off the two thousand raptors Larry. Johnson banked more threes than I think any player in the history of basketball. He was the data in this game. Credible he is it intentional. That second three that he hits isn't in the third quarter banks in. It was like what the fuck was intentional. Seems like he's shooting it that way. I don't know another thing. This was the height Jason. You're GonNa love this thank you. It's is the height of David Stern. WWe This run. Stern goes on really from ninety nine. Zero three was when he became. Vince McMahon you have this Eljay four point play you have the next year. Blazers Lakers when L.. Yeah the Lakers are just hitting Rasheed. She Wallace with a two by fours posting game. Seven doesn't matter you have bucks sixers. Two thousand one where the sixers shoes ninety ninety more free throws than the bucks. It's insane only one score. Forgotten History You've you've kings. Kings Lakers Changed Lakers. which was the icon on of all of this And then I'm sure something happened or three but this was really went. Stern Peta's just involved somehow. He didn't ref this game. It must have been a mistake but But this was just the peak of that. Was Michael. Read books team. No it was Ron Robinson that whole group big dog and then the only neither legacy for me is I actually think this qualifies as an I remember where I watched this game game. 'cause I remember where I watch us which means that's a weird invisible. I across but I I I was at a wedding was in New York for one of my wife's friends who play the theme from Armageddon. Is Their wedding song. I don't WanNa miss a thing. What a perfect perfect song to be listening to close the Diane Warren One of the best ever do it? I was in my girl. Aerosmith Song. Yeah she wrote so it was like the most upstate New York moment I think anybody's ever had the couple's gonNA come out again. Armageddon knows that was ninety eight incredible so that the OJ shadows a great wedding. I'm gonNA marry you care. I was in my girlfriend at the Times Bedroom. WHOA watching on a a little like thirteen inch Sony? TV's glinting Bed I was like listen. I gotTa Watch this and I remember. I think I blacked out for a second when the shot went through and I just found myself like running the perimeter server very small bedroom like around the wall past the door past the nightstand up the bed down the other side of the bed and just running in a circle for like a minute. It is like it was like the Dave Anderson homer was like that for me against the angels in eighty six you just you blackout for like eight seconds left beal. Aw How much did beating Reggie Miller and hating Reggie Miller planted into the series for your guess is huge. Will the end of this way. Can I just say where I wasn't. I watch this thing. I don't want to get this wrong but I. This is what I think happened as dating a girl was in high school. And wasn't your wife wasn't my wife has a different girl did not dated other women did data women bill So I was dating this girl when we were going together I think through May and we were making plans to go to prompt. She broke up with me in May and I I I think I could be remembering the strong but I think our our prom was the night of this game. Wow and it was a Saturday. Yeah that's the wedding. So and I think that she went with someone else. Oh my God I think it was just me and my brother alone watching this game on prom night now. It's not that big a deal because I didn't like her very much Noah Baumbach it but I'm pretty sure that there was some like i. I was meant to be dumped energy going on because I could be home for this moment. That's good yeah directed abano Bombay. Yeah Oh wait oh we were talking about Reggie Miller. Yeah so how much did hate pure hatred. Reggie Miller play into any of this well for me personally. Personally I had I kind of written them off. Ninety seven to me at the thinking back ninety seven was the last year that I was like. Oh this is the team. They finally got the other the players to put around doing so Houston's first year Houston and and so I remember. I was friends with some Knicks fans out. Here and there is a lot of we can be Renault. MCS buzzer great but we can beat them decide. That was the last year I really felt that. And then after that it was like okay. It's Kinda over everybody's banged up. Everybody's too old like they're going to put it together so this playoffs I was really like. Let's just beat the enemies. Yeah I like Miami. Let's let's beat them and if we can't beat them let's get in a fight where were like morning actually gets his face caved in like the Pacers again crate if we don't actually win. Let's break Reggie Miller's legs right. Let's see him crippled on the like. That's what I was about at that time. So beating Miami was probably like enough. We ruined their houses. This is the best will the the the most satisfying part of this is Miller's performance in the last game of the series choke choke at is that is one of the all time show jobs now. It's it's not the last time he basically gets his revenge the next season but that was so gratifying. I think he was like three. Eighteen Games. teeny shot thirty. Six percents this series with our Disaster Allen. Smoking him hall over the Dow was so satisfying to see that it was funny. The whole Reggie Miller Knicks. MSG We fucking thirty thirty about it. He basically beat them once out of those first three times his game. Seven ninety before he kinda chokes at the end of it he was yeah he he misses some big like I would have been great. It's like every time he had the ball might not read the game. Seven was kind of insanity. Didn't come through and then ninety nine bad I think he just has one that one super super heroic eight point moment that one moment that is so torturous twenty five point whatever but those those are burned into my brain and also so you know in two thousand like. I said that they went to the finals. But that's interesting bounce back and they were good and they beat the Knicks. That was that the that year. They beat the nets with Reggie doing his. Reggie Reggie Miller thing to the nets where he hits. The crazy bank has to send it to the second overtime. Oh my God that was that was like Oh three Oh three I just remember being like finally. He's doing to somebody else. Don't do it to US anymore. Miller poor man's Ray Allen going with that. Wow Yeah interesting take I really I. If somebody had ran on some like New York City firemen had run onto the curtains. Banged his knee with the Balkan hammer out of clapped. I really I hate it. I hate it accused the only guy like Jordan. I'm like okay. You're killing us but you're like a work of art. You know what I mean like your for humanity. They should put your videos like in a space capsule capsule and send them to Mars. Reggie Miller like somebody take this guy out like I hate you. I completely agree. So the series Knicks Win Game One ninety eighty three ninety game to you. Lose to ewing tears Achilles tough secret great box score of this game forty thousand for the next. I didn't even know that was possible. Game Three win by one. We're about to go into a game for you lose at home by twelve to two tied add going to game five game five win on the road by seven game six win at home ninety eighty two on Houston thirty two points. Twelve four seventeen from the field ninety eighty you too yet and I was like a Oregon and that was with a shooting guard. Shooting like seventy five percent from the field can be. He put up fifteen to nine. Reggie Miller's three eighteen jalen rose who were gonNA talk about a little bit seven for fifteen very eljay sprains neom that came for the series Houston. Houston nobody nobody in the next scored twenty points. A game of it Larry Johnson Sixteen and a half points. A game made nine threes the whole series. It feels like he made like fifty million thirties game. Three halftime forty seven. Forty two. That's just obscene of and it's a rock fight. It was five to four with like six minutes left. And you're just like wow what's going on with basketball. Was it always this bad. Nobody told us I knew nothing else to be quite honest as like this is how it's done this is. This is the formula that we that we crafted. That could beat the Bulls like just grab people out back at them. Get to the RIM rim. Yeah this is slow it down on offense. This is it limit the possessions. It low post defense hit everybody clotheslines. It was like what we're watching. It was like if I had sat down to watch vendors and game and then immediately afterwards I was like I should check out the towering inferno. It's just like this is not the same two great car. It's a different medium. Like whatever's happening in that game is just so far away from how they play the game now. It's just completely different. I I wonder I was GONNA ask you. Do you think it's more different from ninety nine to twenty nineteen than it was from ninety nine to seventy nine. No I think if you look at the eighties and and all the way through ninety three. That looks way more like basketball than what happened from ninety four Two thousand like this. There's like deliberate stuff going on to ruin the quality of play in the game on both sides so yeah Mark Jackson's walking the ball out rules. Yeah you these two rules that they've added added fairly recently that I think we kinda under eight the impact of them right where you have the fourteenth second after an offensive rebound. There's one play in this this game. Where Mark Jackson gets? The rebound offensively is debating whether he wants to do something and then just takes it back out and takes one thousand nine seconds off the clock before he doesn't aging it is but into people and then bounced around death. Fourteen second row has been genius. And it's really kinda made everybody speed up and then eight second half court rolls another one because if you watch Jackson's accidents like when I say walking up like he's walking but so is Charlie word and as soon as he gets inside the three point line just turns his back on his defender and bounces back. Some down and back some down and then comes back out and restarts the offense. It's so slow so then this basing which we always talk about in the NBA rituals it's all clogged in the middle. I was shocked by the Mana Low post plan. Both sides I'm stepping on what's age worse but Just like really the only play anybody had it was like all right. We're going to post up spree. Yes everybody's gotTa stop all writing as opposed to post up. Dale Davis Yep and that was like there is no. Hey what's got Chris bowing out there will run a little screen shade and then get him three. Nobody even thought that way and then to make it even more alien to the way the game was played today very rarely. Would there be like a player in the strong side corner. They just clear the whole thing in the post and then and if nothing's happening somewhat run through and then get into the corner and then it'd be outlet passed but it was like no. You're not thinking about that wine at all. The three pointer was like something you'd take with the shot clock running down. It's a kind of game you play when there's no advanced metrics. Yeah but you know. It's a good player. Dale Davis posting up. There's no a Saudi L.. Danone there in the front office VACA- hey we shouldn't do this one but mullen is such an interesting figure in the game to me because especially because in the first quarter basically the Kinda tried gotta get them going. We're tries to get himself going. And he takes a bunch of threes and he's not that successful and then they go away from him and he's kind of in the like Chris Corpse phase. Yeah like you can't really run up another from anybody. But he shot forty six percent from three this year yes season. That's crazy and he was only taking three game. If this game happened in two thousand nineteen he would be taking eleven threes a game. Well and then Allan Houston. Obviously you would think the Pacers weirdly had a two thousand nineteen team on their roster. They just didn't play because because Perkins could've played center they could've had Jalen and Molin and Reggie Miller and then a point guard and just gone small. Yeah five four four four that one in big smooth McKee could have been out there big smooth really one of the Proto stretch guys one of the first guys before anybody knew what that was. He strokes a three in this game. That's like vintage like Swish. Where it touches? Nothing like he had an ability a hit a three. That would just like dagger you so twenty to ten run for the Pacers and the first half. Smith's has fifteen and Walton's just killing them and then it comes out there in the game that is like a Smith's has broken big toe and he's got Shin splints and they list like nine. Rick Smits injuries wants just destroying him though broadcast man smits was like I. I always enjoyed Smith I. I knew I liked basketball on an extinct of level. I don't think I really like understood it like you know being around smart people that really love the game and related study it now but I was always just like why is Smith's destroying join us like why is he. So good if -sulting size like why Patrick Ewing you're at all NBA player. Why is Rick Smits Scoring Fifteen? Because of his hair Erin his mustache. That's why he was so skilled he was Proto Dirk. Yeah he was using a lot of the same styles that used to be successful. NBA Player and Dirk obviously stretched etched out and shot a lot more threes but the their size the way that they moved the way that they can move their body and the paint whether they could avoid contact he was slippery and he was a real problem. For Ewing who was like really athleticism. I and he was symphony for which he was a very high ladder pick. I think he was second or third in his draft. I really liked his game game. He's one of those guys that just doesn't exist anymore. I would love to know like Rick Pudding Rick Smits and a time machine and putting him in two thousand twenty like what happens. He's probably shooting a lot more threes. Yeah he's marketing the watching Markkanen so third quarter sixty nine sixty nine after three quarters they rent a stat. fast-break points Pacers racers zero really. Yeah it's Pacers. Zero knows no for that. Oh my Gosh Gosh Yeah. We've watched basketball. What made us the lockout was happening? We all should but again. Just leave go. I was looking at the Knicks. Like Ninety eight ninety nine Knicks Overall stats their pace. Eighty six point nine is towards the bottom lead. Twenty four the twenty nine but still eighty six point nine which is a good ten possession slower than the Cleveland Cavaliers. This season the absolute bottom of league. This was just glacial basketball right. You'd have like durant with a torn Achilles. The Eighty six point nine. He's just on crutches so pacers make a run in the foretell run. Eighty one seventy five travis best strangers strangers growing which is weird the interning because yeah any point We ran three fourteen left knicks down eight. Yeah it looked bad big three from. I'm Chris Childs. I would say the biggest moment of his career other than when he to peace Kobe. That's that's an iconic moment that will live forever. You a child Guy I I didn't I hated are backward in me too. When I was researching this I forgot it was him and Houston the same free agent splurge yeah? They spent like a child's from the nets. Yeah the Raptors after its Charlotte Child's and Charlie Ward like I don't I don't understand so we're watching watching this clip or we're watching youtube somebody posts his game which is how we all watched it. And there's this missing two and a half minutes. The Youtube Guy doesn't post anything from Knicks. Ext Down Five. We've now all of a sudden there's eleven seconds left. Come to find out. It's on Amazon prime and was able to watch missing two minutes which turns out to be Pacers. Miss Sprewell brick outbound sprewell inbounds play lab Miller Miss L. J. Brick twenty four second violation indy. Twenty four second violation takes us to twenty seconds. It's like a rock fight crossed with a train wreck. You know what it reminded me of. What the Philly Raptors game seven with the four bounce cooper shot final three minutes of the game. It was Ken some human being by one AK. Okay do something like it was so strong painful to watch that happen. And this is very similar where it's just complete ineptitude seconds left Camby gets fouled could have made the dunk but got the foul messed it. Up makes both rose. They found Jackson. He makes both free throws leading to the OJ. Shah eleven seconds left. That was the experience of Knicks basketball. Ask timeously they could be up by five or by ten or down by Johnny. Just like I know this is going to be a close game because there's going to be a drought where it goes three minutes minutes and nobody scores. Yes we're taking a break to talk about fan. Do the officials sportsbook partner the ringer. There's a big game coming up in the football Area you might have heard of it so large game involving two teams that a lot of people will watch. 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Disclaimer you're twenty one press Presen- New Jersey Pennsylvania West Virginia Indiana Sacred Machado expires fourteen days after a seat terms and restrictions apply Ganley problem. Call one eight hundred number orne West Virginia visit one eight hundred camper dot net or an Indiana call. One eight hundred nine with it. All right first category is most reliable. watchable sequence I love basketball. I would have happened had more nominees but this was an atrocious basketball game. I really only have the OJ shot. The ending is very very watchable sequences and by missing anything. It's a shot in various the Rick Smits who we were just praising he does have a moment I think in the second quarter where he just kind of scores four baskets skits in a row. When you're in charge of the game civil and he goes full Smith? Yeah I trusted Dutchman. Yeah he comes through and he. I mean he's dancing Marcus Camby. He's he's really dancing on Marcus Camby. There's a fun L.. J. Stretch at some point when they're breathlessly telling us that he scored seven straight baskets in a row. They're making making it. Seem like it's Dimaggio's streak Sakib scored seven straight field goals. So amazed. He does hit that one. Deep deep three in the first task. That is pretty electrifying words. Where the fuck did that come from Steph curry shot? Let's talk about the the end wood. Ed Ward had it tip. John made a good cats Johnson. Foul are you are you. I can see with a smirk on your face that you're about to make some kind of comment about how it was a phantom foul no continuation that the the the contact took place as well before the whistle. So why don't you just do it just do. It was an atrocious car. I have no dog. doggedness rates actually liked the knicks. Not like really anti hitter. I hate the other teams. I just remember my feeling in the moment watching in a bar with a bunch of people some place in New York and everybody was like Holy Shit. I can't believe this is a four point play because it was either. I'm not even sure. It was a foul. He grabbed a on the move. It's obviously fell on him. No heed the puts hands around his waist and he definitely bumps them and then there's he takes a few steps and then take. I'm just charging by the rest of the game and how physical was. I'm not sure like that was the time to crack down but it did. It just seemed like he had a lot of time to gather between the contact. Contact the shot. I understand busying like there's no continuation fine and it should have been a foul on the floor. Whatever I'll just say this bad calls happen? All what time spiritual right. It benefited us the Knicks. This time and I make absolutely zero policies zero. It happens the BEC- Phantom foul call. They're running away from this play Antonio Davis it grabbed him. But in. You're in that situation. What you got to think is the worst I can do is fouled and get possession goals for the now data hand on him and his puss? Aw homeport advantage plan on. I will say this. It wasn't clearly a bad call rate on the absolute oh absolutely precipice of Oh. This is too long. This is just too long of a continuation. Here's the thing Indian had the ball down on one with a chance to win and we got a terrible shot. Several seconds left. Can Reggie Miller out another. What if the garden? Here's mark. Jackson Jackson triple tied up front yard so it wasn't like I don't know here's the thing. It was a foul the end. Do you think it was a foul four point play our justify it was a four point. Lead it because he hit the shot about five seconds after the there was not five seconds. We're thinking about this. We think about the instant replay version of the event. Not The event. This is the same thing that happens all the time. If you watch the event in real time it's a foul but let me just say this because this is a charge. That always gets grilled at the Knicks whenever they get a call in one thousand nine hundred ninety four when they barely beat the bowl without that now is a word it was much worse call. That was agreed GIS. I'll I'll just say this if the League was really rigged towards helping. The Knicks proceed in the playoffs. They wouldn't have suspended the entire team in ninety three point. Like there is your chance to really put your thumb on the scales in a meaningful way and instead what they did is through the absolute book at the team to the point that the knicks could barely feel the squad. They had to stretch the the suspensions over multiple games because of the Knicks wouldn't have enough players to play the game. Fax Can make a quick counter. Sure didn't want the Knicks to win that year. They wanted the Chicago Bulls a hug and take out the next year. I love it. They needed the knicks tonight. Ninety seven like let's get out of here. They beat up Jay. It was a fell. I think what's lost is what a great shot with amazing straight shot because he got yeah gathered it was just. He's Larry Johnson Johnson. He's playing with like a herniated disc back. It was impressive to birds right next to him. The catch is underrated too because the ball the inbound gets tipped by Jalen yes and and it was supposed to go to Alan Houston but he got tipped and L J just manages to grab it and now it's a broken place like the the catch is just as important as the shop and to recover from being just lightly touched by Antonio Davis I but seconds taking the extra three seconds. It's to shoot. Tried to pick his pocket and he paid. The price was paid the fucking price by losing the game. How about just like don't choke Pacers? I would say that's one of the maybe six or seven most memorable NBA moments in that decade. It was an authentic if the shot the fuck out of your seat like an old my God dude. That's Elliot had one. I think that same year the Memorial Day shot that was great stockton when he beat Houston. It's it's in the top ten or twelve but a couple of shots yeah couple. It's I think it's Oregon. That was exactly for. Houston you mean. Oh I'm Jay had a couple. Obviously I mean there's been some good ones the Houston shot against the heat. And those are the only two for the Knicks that I can really remember was like. Oh my God yes relic. The Hubert Davis shot I I exalted but I also will happily admit that that was a bad call and I absolutely love. It was awful so the guy made the call in. This game was just Kersee Not Dick about unless muscle dictator wearing a mask prevent as he was ever known. That guard retired as liber yet. Human Jack Latte What's age the best? Lj's reaction after makes the final three. I forgot about the L. J.. This celebration his celebration celebration. That people in New York did after they made baskets when they played basketball. The funniest. The actual funniest thing in this movie is Bill Walton Feigning disgust at the eljay symbol. That has his partners not getting yes. Yes I think that was a bit right. I guess they're talking about it like it is but I don't remember exactly. We would Steve Snapper Jones and Bill Walton rough game staffer Jesse. My memories of Long Island in the late nineties consist assist of being at the park. In the sweltering heat doing the eljay symbol as like ruff ryders anthem. Plays a good time. Have a good time to. We live in Long Island so I had that the trademark l.. which I I just feel like he might have been the first guy who had a signature move after made a shot? Because then Cooper guys came in a couple of years later. Remember the Jason. Yeah with that cue in. Oh you know what it is was antennas right now. No was it testicles on the forehead really yeah because they were dunking on people with such regularity they were dropping the drop in the nuts on people's for extra comeback. Do you prefer that to the SAM. Cassell dance though. So maybe he was the first one sure to to directly referenced. The male testicles court and the balls with fame. Yeah Ah but same. That was the first signature. I've done something good in. Here's here's my little pre rehearse thing on it yeah and then L. J. is like hey so my first name is Larry that starts with an L.. I'm going to do this. Yeah and now we have like three goals and things like that -nother what's age the best skinny Mark Jackson and Jeff Van Gundy with hair that was kind of disorienting. Sort of how it's like. He's he moved. Maneuvering it around and looks like ahead jarring and just mark as well. Oh look at him. Looks Great I gotta Say I'd like to his game so such a New York City Facet it just like St Corps when he scores team weaving in and out in the Gar- beard body. Like he's dial yeah. Good Fun seem fun to play with. Couldn't guard anybody in the other end. Now Larry Bird as a coach always fun to see the next time. I liked the Davis brothers. I think one of my first running jokes ever was About each should be able to draft them together as a fantasy team and call them for your fantasy team con. Dao Tonio Davis should be somebody could draft urge their stats. They fit together. Yeah they're two guys that would never be on the same team in two thousand nineteen because you wouldn't be able to play them together. But then you could Reggie and rick needed them to enforce yeah Another what's sage. The Best Bill Walton complaining about lack of ball movement and too much Lopo Steph ahead of his time over just face them up. I don't understand spree. Wheels posting law should be taken this car off the dribble. What's he doing right? He started talking at one point about how he knew. When he joined the eighty six celtics ex that he would be like fourth on the Totem Pole? Yes what that's what the Knicks Sprewell in them and needed to understand. You're not going to be the main guy. When I joined that Celtics I knew I would not began just get to the weak side rebound just work horrid or Latrell feel like you guys are doing Orson Welles the Rick Smits Twenty Five points twenty four minutes have to mention that what else anything else saves the best for you A good scene. Jim Greg and Marcus Camby has tattoos nonsensical a Chinese tattoos. Apparently are actual words but together don't mean anything I I think one means tribe and the other means family but those two words together would not be a sentence. I remember that and that was really the the heyday of basketball. Ah Fans coming to grips with the tattoos but then also really being genuinely interested in what they meant so they can be Chinese thing. I was in conversations about. I wonder what those being and then there's no google to find out that we have like. I don't think I was on the Internet. Like at all. There's no less in somebody. You could beat a bar. Those candies signals are symbols. And just make up a story believe it. How would you know he wasn't a break? I I had to. I had to to the guy like from the broadcast. One was is There's the sideline interview with Derek. Jeter where Jim Jim Gray tries to Neg Derrick jeeter by saying you know the Yankees have been playing that one of the playoffs and Dr two years like yeah. We're going to play offs like blank. Slate like yeah. Of course jeeter no question. That was incredible. Incredible his hair to really grow young. Derek jeter hair hasn't hasn't lost at all yet and then the other one. There's actually one Jan drinking a Diet Pepsi in the middle of the game. Yes in to see that and see that there's a there's a shot of him after the Shan Dan yet wiping his forehead like this and placing the can down on the score at his product. Place Little Weird and then the third one is amazing. mazing wait moment to look at Patrick's face after the eljay Sh- Oscar where he's like can't believe it is excited but also five percent and I wish I I'm not there also can't jump because he's got torn Achilles. He's kind of halfheartedly hugging her and he couldn't know that within eighteen months he would never be a nick again next categories special. Just for this podcast. It's a nineteen ninety nine hair battle. Oh man our nominees. Are Chris Chris. Bones buzz-cut rix Mitch Spitz's Dutch mullet and springwells. Whatever the hell was going over well that you're What what was the most nineteen ninety nine for you? Well the the buzz cut mullins. buzz-cut was kind of like that was really a throwback to like the fifties or the sixties early seventies. It felt like now somebody had that you'd think they were like a white supremacy or something. Just be completely here. I'd be like is that you Richard Spencer. I'm innocent here. I guess it would be spree in big. smooths you know that was like really. The Look of the era is that was what it was called big smooth a Sam Perkins. Oh they both Komo was that. What was that that was like? It was brisk break. I think that was a great look. Yeah Sprewell hasn't iconic look I contact with a few flying. He's coming in. I really appreciate this spree so much more in two thousand eighteen that I did Internet and his whole look has coached choking vibe. It's really dangerous aspect of what's age the worst We talked about back to the basket. Slowdown pick and roll. Just horrible basketball. Reggie mellors aged the worst. Just in this game Chris. Dudley Oh man. The game starts and Chris Mullin's defending Krista they in Walton's like we knew the knicks were or the Pacers. We're going to try this like they strategized added Chris. I'm pretty sure put Eh. I had JIM grade being Derrick jeeter for what's age the worst I loved it I thought it was just. It's age for Jim Gray. It's it's a tough on for him. He comes in hot. Jeeter Swat like Jim Grace private. Yeah well the good news. Is Nobody oversee this game again. And you tubes coming man Jim Gray if only he would've known that that would not be the first time he talked to a superstar player in a one on one situation in a way that your mental skirt Yankee said went to the last three world series and I I think they ended up winning like one hundred plus Games air grades. Are you worried you might not make the playoffs. JEETER's like what the fuck are you talking about what. Let me ask you this Chris Dudley even complain today's NBA. Does he come in. Like he doesn't even get away right now. Also not in the forty two percent from the free throw line either. You can't have him the chester six rebounds and like one point two blocks game and he wouldn't have been playing if if you can get hurt. Yeah you now it would have been like a sprinkling of her Williams. That's what you'd have gotten instead the other. What's worse which you texted me? Last night was when when Kurt Thomas missed a layup and Walton said Zach Sir. Kurt Thomas Charles. Smith was just like a classic too soon just like a stray shot fuck. It was like a stray bullet six years at that point. It's still hurt in two thousand eighteen. Yeah any other. What's the worst that we cover everything I think? That's good okay All right next category is called half-baked big picture take where I give you half big big picture take you guys. Re- react Alan. Houston Klay Thompson in the wrong era. He was better than I. I mean he can handle this sensory offense as he was better than clay because he could actually handle the volume triple. He'd good footwork. It's hard to say. Hit a lot of big shots and he came up short a lot of moments to I found him to be unreliable. Sensitively was an absolute disaster but offensively also player but he was not a playmaker playmaker he was he was he was a good ice. Oh player he was good catching the news for his frame. I I feel like Klay as more athletic. He had a six stroke though like his right now guys know it came from the heart. Let me say this about Alan. Houston he was the King of the twenty zero zero zero stat line. Like He'd Twenty Points Zero Rebounds Zero Assists Zero will have US stats the year after two two thousand. He was twenty three and three every day but three what through your bands is percentages sandwiches. Were forty eight forty. Four eighty four is forty four percent shoot from three great. Shooter took three three point three but that was the Era Ota. ooh Oh three. Just the average is twenty three and three forty five forty eighty nine. Not In the Ballpark of fifty forty ninety Own took four worth three again. You know what I say if he's in two thousand eighteen he's taking eleven threes again. Yeah whole game. Is there when I think when I hear those stats is make that guy. The the highest paid player in the NBA. They give him a twenty billion on yes. That's actually that's just. That's the baggage carry. Because he was a good player and he was a good good neck but he he is seen as the person who come into our PTO the next four or five years of that franchise because of that contract. How many games do you think you made Three one two two how many all NBA teams zero zero. Was He two thousand gold medallist. Yes yes yes those are. So it's I do think though he's a classic way too early Guy If he comes in now if nine hundred ninety nine nine hundred ninety ninety six on Houston comes in the League right around now. Everybody's like Oh hello here we go. We've been looking for this guy. And he's just Jack in threes and every forty four percents is legit. Yeah it's pretty amazing grace year. Let's take a break to talk about some of the sports podcasts. On the Ringer podcast network. First the wall we the ringer. Mba show which has been going. Don't strong for I think the fourth or fifth straight year but J. J. Redick's passes back his co host. Tommy Altar with them we. We have Vince Carter. Winging it with any fin Berg Joe House fairway wrong came back. I actually made an appearance on that one my My First Twenty twenty appearance for that and then the ringer. NFL show which will get you caught up all the way until the big game and then finally the Ryen Russillo show and against all odds with cousins. 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It's hard to believe but as as Thomas was out with it. I hate the Knicks. Very tough. Let me ask you this. If you had a rule would you call. He's he's like Nicknamed snippy rule. If I was hanging out with Allan Houston rule up. Do you need a coffee. Anybody new coffee rule union anything that calm rule that nickname has kind of fallen away. I feel like we don't hear it that way anymore. But at for the next five to ten years you oh you hear that all the time would you wanna make a one hundred and fifty million in your career but the catches for the rest of your life your named after rule. Where if a guy is so bad and so it repaid in your team and they wave at midst named after you when you think probably take the money out one hundred percents eljay said there's been probably one point six six million people who come up to me and told me there at the garden that night I asked for ticket stubs now so it's turned into one of those games next Algiers there that night. Don't say that algae unless you're actually there. Do you know who the Knicks traded for eljay nineteen ninety five ninety. Six range is it is it. I've no idea yeah now. I don't know probably what Nick's so in the same summer summer. Ninety six they trade Anthony Mason and Derek Carpet for L. J. O. WHO's available because he had seven years in eighty four million dollars left tennis contract so hard to believe Charlotte was able to give him up and you spend ninety million on Houston and Signing Anthony Mason is Charlotte is cruel. Yeah near forever that during the night tonight nine finals Johnson described the next in their phenomenon. Inspired play Klay as a band of rebellious slaves and that it didn't go very well and caused a two day Yeah I wasn't great did did you know in two thousand one. Houston his six year. Hundred hundred point four million dollar contract extension. I did know the next stage. You know in two thousand one Houston and Charlie word recorded New York Times magazine. Yes I making. Comments deemed antisemitic air antisemitic afterward called Jews stubborn and persecutors of Christians Houston inside a biblical verse in Support of words comments. This is one of those. Imagine if this happened now I think my store is my favorite thing about reading that story today and I've read it semi recently. Maybe within the last two years is that You know this came up. The Knicks payroll went to church together a Bible something they would get together and read scripture and and there's a mention of like reading scripture off a Charlie wards palm pilot. I guess they had as like man. Wow Mom pilot on the not pilot. I just WANNA say for the record that I never liked Charlie. He played for the Knicks for ten years. Is that possible. Ten Years Unlike winner. Charlie let me tell you something about him forget about him being an anti Semite which is deplorable he sucked. He's not he was not good. He's not good his he. He was good at one thing. The drive to the basket subtle dish to the big man for a layup. Like really the only that was but that was just because he knew how to shovel. Pass ask from playing college. Football mature Larry Johnson declared bankruptcy. Shelburne is must be true. Two Thousand Fifteen. He keeps coming to the garden. So that's yeah Right next category is greatest would if sliding doors moment man l j making that shot was actually the downfall of the next. And I'm going to explain to you why this is from a piece in the New York Times written in two thousand and two the Chris Broussard. Woo Yeah The seeds for the Union trade replanted when the players the public and even Dave checketts president. MRI began thinking the Knicks. Were better off without ewing during their run to the nineteen ninety nine. Finals Ewing angry over the lack of respect. He received an aware that the Knicks I would not extend his contract demanded a trade. The Knicks sought to satisfy him. They were afraid he would be disruptive. Fused brought back for one more season so the accepted a package of aging injured. ill-fitting players long-term contracts totally ninety four million rather than keeping you around and chopping sixteen million off their payroll after after the two thousand. Two thousand one we all that the original sin of Scott Layden gets worse. They thought they could get to combat. Matombo was one of the reasons David David Fox the agent for Matombo Glenn writes never told the next few deliver Matombo. The Knicks knew that taking care of one of his clients would not hurt the other so after they made the trade they gave rice. WHO's thirty three four years? Thirty six million dollar contract races only other option at the time was a one in your seven point. Five million offer from the Chicago Bulls. The Knicks were so focused on getting Matombo. They're willing to look past luke long as poor health in six year. Thirty two point four million contract and agreed to accept him in the union deal and then in fast for the Knicks. Took another gamble last summer. Miscalculating the health of Charlie Ward your least favorite neck compounded the final financial repercussions of the Union trade by sending race to Houston in a three team. Deal for Anderson is because race was unhappy. Eisley had six sears. Thirty six point. Six million left on the on top of that. The Knicks agreed to give Anderson is six year forty two million deal adding in the seven year. Twenty two million contract Travis Knight from the U.. You in trade. The Knicks took on one hundred. Thirty seven point four million in contracts for players they acquired through hewing ewing had just thought a seventeen a million extension for two years. So I mean I've unbelievable that was that is the all time train wreck cluster. Fuck maybe ever if you WANNA know why I have always been a supporter of the process and the concept of the process yet. It's because of those teams basically the next from two thousand and one through two thousand eight or nine which was probably the most torturous time. I had a damn almost lost during that time. Because it was so hard to watch those teams which were so frustrating. And then they compounded to move on to move that. Let's Marbury and it'll be franchise and let's a lot of acquisitions game of Jenga but if Jenga was just falling over every time exactly and it was like a never ending ending. Falling Tower was falling for consecutive years I despise the most all of those teams had such a hard time with that and it all is completely connected to just instead letting ewing's contract is up in a one. And if they just let his contract expire they basically would have had a clean slate they would have had like another year of Eljay and then they were clean. So Jason L. J. misses the shot ewing's feelings. Don't get hurt. They end up not moving. On from ewing none. None of this happens this whole thing different. No it's not or you're still there and they still make they'll still if they don't make that specific terrible move they would have made aide some other terrible move in service of trying to shortcut a finals appearance in a championship done it. The teams had no concept of how the salary cap and cap space worked or how is the strengthening advantage. And they treated it like if I gave my son one hundred dollars to go spend at the mall and you just spend it immediately and then had no money to like at home by food by drink it that's kind of how. NBA teams were two thousand. My understanding of the salary cap is completely born out of the Knicks. How bad they were? Yeah the Knicks Burr. Setting money on fire fire. I didn't that was not. The salary was not a thing I ever thought about in one thousand nine hundred nine. It wasn't until like Oh. Let's give Eddie Curry a bunch of money that I started starting to be like wait can we. We did the one thing that original premise of that scenario that you're describing is the knicks feeling like they were better without Patrick Ewing doing. And here's why that is an absolute nightmare of an idea. And whoever was in charge of that idea should be should be jailed. The Knicks Win Game One of the Pacers series in Indiana Indiana. Yeah and they're winning in game two and then Patrick Ewing gets hurt and then they win this miraculous game three which really should not have been a win. You play that game one hundred times. They probably lose ninety eight times because of all the wild shit that happens in the game and then they eventually succeeded they win in six against this pacers which is a flaw pacers team. Then they go and they play the spurs you know who would have been nice to have had Pasha face David Robinson and Tim. Duncan is fucking Patrick Ewing. I think they lose in six or seven but like a healthy Patrick Ewing against that team difference. It's it's a different series the D. N. so conceivably the OJ. Shot doesn't go in. Maybe I mean the only right Dolan. Okay she dion waiters award for best check. Larry Johnson Twenty six points. He makes three crazy threes thirty three in the first quarter banks of three and then the four point play nerd corner just quickly. Can't be Oakley Trade was pretty great he somehow to twenty five Pr. The playoffs shot fifty seven percent. Ten eight two bucks game but when that trade happened everybody was pissed. Jason Yeah because the heart of Latte team So it was like Oh my God. What but it wasn't too long before I mean like me had very up and down season but like the athleticism on display was like nothing thing that I had seen an annex uniform to that point I think of who is a good nick? Yeah me too well let a dunk on onto Cambay in the Hawk series. That was like tore the house down. Yeah like straight up just came in straight from the foul line and just spiked it. One armed over to campaign and it was like Oh my God I was injured and Oakley was at the end to not like Oakley was thirty prime or anything. I just wanted to mention Chris. Dudley's nineteen ninety nine really quickly forty four percent field goal forty eight percent free throw. He's member of the forty forty club. You don't see it through Jesus in the playoffs. He played sixteen extreme point three minutes a game and had three point five thousand game. I mean that's why he was there a foul Next category like this Jason. Best chemist best chemistry guy on the sidelines. It's the one the only Rick Brunson. He invented the L. Gesture. During the lockout got season in practice. After eljay started making threes. He was the one who came up with the eligible. Eljay took it and then Brunson was like his psychic doing you in the on the sidelines. There it is rick. Brunson congrats to him. The Tim carver memorial broadcast team. Complaint Corner it's another category that our team was Tom. In Hammond Stanford Jones Bill Walton an incredible amount of bill while I thought it was a two thousand seven Westbrook level usage rate. I couldn't believe it. No producer told him to scale back on. This is probably my hottest take. But I've always liked one me too. I've always liked it was. It was a lot of a lot of handful. Does there's no a lot about basketball like do you feel it's it's a little he's annoying. There's no doubt about it that he's kind of scale back. It would have been great but he is analyzing analyzing the game and he's he's serving up takes he's a coward level takes Taylor in the broadcast. Yeah he was saying like Latrell. Sprewell's been awfulness game. He's been awful guy. Yeah I mean listen anybody that can tie in grateful. Dead references to bask you know what the Knicks Scottish do right now is they just got a like Jerry. Garcia's looking a loser in this broadcast was the stamper who I always really liked but had a lot of like knicks down. Five two minutes left come in and timeout nostalgia like they gotta get back in here guys. It was a lot of that from the Stafford game. Six He's a good example of a nickname can go a long way mysterious. Nobody knew why he was a staffer. Extrapolate on that one Apex Mountain. I really can't think of anybody who is apex in this game. which is one of the weird things of this game other than maybe Bill Walton as an announcer But other than that everybody in the Knicks is either not quite there yet or they were whatever and say. I'M GONNA in this playoffs was I. Can we say being Gundy me with hair for sure. You know the other to go back to the to the theme of the Knicks as like these grinding guys. who kind of like shouldn't be there? Were on their second enchance. Van Gundy was very much that like they brought in Don Nelson you know so that the vilely exits right. Yeah van Gundy's on the staff and he coaches a couple games and bringing Don Nelson. It's an absolute disaster van. Gundy kind of hangs around hangs around for multiple seasons and every single. It seems like every month there was like oh are they going to it. Who are they going to bring in to finally be the person that coaches the Knicks and it was in Vancouver always seemed to be on the verge of getting fired and hung around like he's interviews or even good during the game they're coming out of timeouts and he's doing I could be in? TV someday he was a perfect New York head coach Yes. He had a kind of candor kind of abruptness he was like he could have been a guy who was an extra in an episode of Seinfeld. And you would have bought it. He just looked the part man. They pacmans Chris Dudley. Rick Brunson and the Davis Davis brothers. This kind of Peak Davis brothers. I think they might even traded Antonio within the next year. They traded Dale. I think they broke them up after they had a couple of moments though in like ninety six ninety seven where they were just bombing twelve footers over the Knicks. And just breaking my they they like smits like Reggie they. They killed us at times. So nope funniest in Game Network Promo they promote the French Open final Andre Agassi subdued. They Medvedev they fired up for that. One Yeah Sergei hottest retroactive. Take that I wish I had had in the moment clearly. Free Jalen Rose I. I don't know we gotta talk about this. Not just because he's my friend but it's kind of unbelievable that he wasn't playing forty minutes a game in the playoffs every time he stuff spree. Well I think three times uh-huh he could create shots for other dudes. WHO's he takes who to? Who Does he take minutes? Ville basically issued started mullen. Yeah and Jalen should be starting and in fairness travis best played really well well in this game and he was kind of a medicine forty nine say probably would have been Reggie Miller but I I would have had him on the floor and they clearly didn't really have to answer for him airman. I thought he was eating up spree. Well I really that. That was one of the reasons brewer. It's such a game. What's interesting healing? Took sixty shots the whole series in six games which is nuts to make I. I thought he was their best offensive player the next year they may the legend makes up for it and they must make the finals he rides Reggie and Jalen together and that team comes. Pretty close was Mark Jackson accent on that team the next year. Because I feel like there's like a ball dominance happening with Mark Jackson to where he's not flowing in Jalen was better. I always felt with the ball in his hands. And if he doesn't have as much ball dominance minutes then 'cause like Mark Jackson is playing thirty eight minutes a game and just pounding the rock. Yeah all the time in the move. Probably if you do in this team over you play Jalen at point with Reggie Miller you put Mohan out there for shooting you have Sam Perkins and then probably like McKee in that's like or Smith Smith dismisses stretch five five best unintentional comedy moment Bill Walton's raving about San Antonio's three-point shooting at one point. That was weird. They're going to the west bracket and he's like San Antonio Dunkin Robinson Johnson and The great three point shooting. Jaren Jackson and Steve Kerr and I looked it up and they took eleven point. Eight three threes a game that year and made made for a game. He's raving about them there. That was amazing. The two thousand six sons. I mean like threes were just an extreme extreme rarity. At this time it was funny to hear how excited the announcers got Tom. And every time somebody took a three Chris Charles for three and now it's like if you had that intensity now you'd be you'd be dead Probably an answer questions as to what is the line on the two thousand eighteen eighteen warriors with a healthy k. d. against the nineteen ninety nine Knicks. Oh my God they come out of a time machine and the Knicks I guarantee hour. We're GONNA play this team for the future. What rules in rules are ninety S? Good question three three pointers. It's the same rules it's just. They're they're bringing their our style so you'd have the old ninety nine role's Suda okay. They come to nineteen ninety nine ninety nine no fourteen second reset and no no no illegally. Vince right. Yeah okay I I mean the warriors smoke the next. He's counterpoint does Chris. Childs put his fucking elbow in Steph curry spine. And I heard him say think they're just super so the dream gets thrown out in like a minute and a half. Yes well no no he stay in the game he will be the most effective player the guy who could actually hang with us. Yeah I was surprised. They had flagrant foul. Thomas is setting a screen and like obliterating Klay Thompson right that that could be the knicks favor so varies in style of play. So I'm giving you twenty points. You're talking next. Plus next plus twenty I think than worriers by like forty five. I I do too but I think that like you know Steph. Curry's ankle is like completely ruined after this game. So so the warriors win by forty but three guys editor destroy three guys. We get a lot of Quinn Cook if we can get down to quin cooking. Can the rotation Livingston who else Agee we can handle. Those guys have Charles Covering Curry. You have. Who's WHO's covering Kevin Durant Larry Johnson? Oh my God. That's rough batch of PROBAB- ewing all the way clay Houston's like who is this guy shoot threes that's pretty dark and then the other unanswerable. It's just like the UN theory. So I wrote this piece from website. We know about this piece. What was this guy was my theory? Is this reader Dave surreally and it was after this game and he would and he was like oh no it was before this game. It was after you ain't got hurt but before this game and he's like I've had this theory since college that when Patrick Ewing is on the benches teams play better. Watch the Knicks. Take off air and I ran this theory in the thing and then all of a sudden it actually happened and they made the finals and that was out of the union theory was born. It wasn't really fair. To Ewing it was more the phenomenon of this guy gets hurt mark and then when he gets hurt for some reason the guys played better but it is in print and then it did happen so then in two thousand one. I went to page age too and I wrote that we wrote the theory for page two and my first example of who this could happen to his drew bledsoe and then Tom Brady came in for drew bledsoe when the Super Bowl it was amazing. mazing what if the actual sliding doors moment is you're using the are we even sitting here without the UN theory. Is there a grand. Is there a ringer without that. You where where's Kyle. This is crazy. That's where that's the real sliding doors sliding doors. Who Win the game gotTA BE L. J. L. Trae that's legend and the and the Knicks? MSG Network for having a moment to repackage package in those interstitial between commercials where they have Johnny Mack and Matthew Modine come out and say here it is June. I'm fifty nine thousand nine hundred ninety nine knicks down and and allow you to think that Oh men the garden. What a place to be? There was footage. I had never never seen before. They showed ewing after they beat the Pacers in ninety four where he celebrating and again son over yet and he's going basically into the stands. How'd you Tom? How can you John Thompson Day? John Thompson I was like wow. You Ain't from game one you mean from no one or from from game three from game three they showed the old Pacers Acer footage of of him basically like losing his mind. Cause they're about to beat the Pacers. I'd never seen him that emotional as a great if you listen as an MSG subscriber cable able to Long Island. I got to see those moments. I gotta say I I I I'm a ewing supporter. I like doing I think leaky was wonderful player. Born born in the wrong era guy where you play four years in college versus like he could have just been in the NBA and then he just by fluke is in the league with just all this offense centers But also like in fairness coached integrators. I think by Thompson in a Lotta ways. Perfect coach for him who was really wrong when he went to college and then found ways dominate and I think he also famously not the most confident guy in the world and as he dominated at Georgetown gain. Confidence gained confidence confidence. So it's tricky because if you put them in right away to see you become one of those guys who goes straight to the pros and then kind of washes out like is he like Jonathan Bender or something. Because I lived in Boston that he was. I think one of the greatest high school players of all time I think he was a campus. Kazoo was like local stories about like the the next bill. Russell is playing here in Cambridge rich and they would just see what have fifteen blocks in a game. And I don't know I think I mean he just read. Yeah and never had again never had that coast. Are you looking at allies one. You'll traded Robinson they all had these other players that they could count on whether castle or Tim Duncan later in his career. They traded Bernard King. Gene when Bernard King had that injury and then he went on to have like a nice couple of nights with the bullet. Yeah they never paired him with an all with a true all star until it was way way too I also so feel like he was just not the same guy ever in the NBA as he was in college athletically. I think his knees even as a rookie. I think his legs exit that point. We're probably like eighty eighty five percent of what they were like those first couple Georgetown years he did evolve as a player noon. Incredible jump shooter for big. I'm just talking athletically period like I really wish that ewing had been in the League for years because there was really never. I've never seen a center like that. I didn't get to see Bill Russell. I've never seen somebody just. He had I think four goaltending in the first half of the Villanova game and they were like how did he block that go. Thanks where it's like goaltending. He was seven feet above the rim. 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Best Of: Stan Van Gundy

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Best Of: Stan Van Gundy

"The Dan Le Batard, Woodstock Gotcha podcast is brought to you by capital on capitol. One is reimagining banking offering accounts with no fees or minimums that can be opened in five minutes Capital One. What's in your wallet Capital One and a member FDIC? This is the best of the Dan lebatardshow with stugatz podcasts. Fun basketball weekend. And we've taken STAN Van Gundy out of his normal slot and brought him with us here to a Monday. So we could talk some basketball. The crew was wondering, and we'll get to this in a second weather. We're interrupting stand van Gundy's yard work is this what he would normally do want a Monday or has it been a long time since STAN Van Gundy did yard work put it up on the pole. Guillermo at lebatardshow has STAN Van Gundy Daunte done yard work in the last twenty years. And I wanted to start there with Stanton. We'll get to them in a second. But this is what greeted me this morning by way of good morning. Stugatz. Looks up at me and says. Dan. If it's an oral history doesn't it have to be from a long time ago if we're doing an oral history, and then he spit Kawai. It was yesterday. Why am I reading an oral history about co is shot from yesterday? So before we can even celebrate the shot at Stu gods is here to criticize the oral history about the shot. Maybe the greatest game winner we've ever seen to end this year at let me be clear. I haven't read anything I ready. Single headline. A brief a mini oral history of series-clinching shot. I mean these things as opposed to sit around and marinate for a while. And then maybe a couple of decades from now, we do an oral history. When did we start doing these things? Let's at twenty four hours after the shot. It's crazy. We've also been over this. You cannot read an oral history you can read a written history. An oral history has spoken to you. So saying that you're writing something down in this is an oral history is dumb. However, an oral history on. Audio book can be really confusing. Stan what are your thoughts on all this on all of that? We'll get to get to the shot and everything else in a second. Like an oral history has to be spoken. Not written. Yeah. But on the audio book, there's just one dude doing all the dudes voices. So you're like wait who's talking again? And it's very confusing. So it's really it's really not know. So collide lender. It is makes the shot. And that is about the most brutal way. I can imagine to lose to watch the ball bounced like that the only other time I remember it. And it was this kind of crushing is when well, I think STAN was on that staff when the Allan Houston that believed me when that ball bounced in yesterday, and I'm watching that game. That's immediately. What I thought of is Alan Houston his only bounced once but it was enough straight up in the air straight down through. And we ended up losing that game. But that wasn't even that wasn't even a walk off though. Because weatherspoon. Which I'm sure that wasn't what the play on. That was the same year with weather. No. Houston ended a series, and they were the eighth seed Alan lookout season. They they were the eight thirty. They ended up making to the finals. But STAN is that the most crushing way to lose? Yeah. And Mike's right though, that Houston's was not a walk off. But nonetheless, it was painful and the one yesterday. Yeah, that's really painful to watch that ball bouncing round in. I can't imagine anything worse than that. It's watching it very slowly your fade. The fact that you're gonna lose watching it almost in slow motion. You could see the Sixers reaction more. They knew that ball was going to get the bounce bounce it and their season was over you'd rather that they just go straight to the nets one of those plays though. And STAN helped me understand. That's just a great player being greater than what was in front of him because of Philadelphia played at fine. I suppose you could have forced him to his left. But I mean, Joel Embiid coming out at you. And being that close to making a block on that shot. That's just being better than Embiid. The final moments. Great player hidden an incredible shock got a great bounce. Yeah. And that's the other part got a great bounce. I mean, look the greatness is to be able to get that shot up on the rim in that situation against him bead to give it a chance. And then you needed the great bounce also. So. You know, great skill and and lucked combined, and they get the they get the victory, Mike. Joel Embiid make fun of Rudy Gobert for crying about the all star game. Is that something that that happened? We've got a couple of story lines going on here that are part of that soap opera drama that we like in basketball where CJ McCollum was on. Kevin Durant was on CJ mccullum's podcast. Do you? Remember how uncomfortable that was God's work. Kevin Durant was sort of spitting in the face of CJ McCollum. Hey, you're not as good as we are. I know Draymond green was a guy that rigged. Go bear the worst. See if Embiid sin anything, but get that sound if you don't mind if it if it's been cleared, please of of Kevin Durant. Do you? Remember this stand? Kevin Durant on CJ McCollum podcast and CJ McCollum was talking about how he didn't like what. Kevin Durant had done and Kevin Durant. Nuked him like nuked him on his own podcast like saying. Essentially hit you pretty win feel free to beat us. This is a sneaky cool little rivalry because Lillard and McCullum have not been shown about taken these cracks at the warriors. Basically since Durant got there. So it's really cool the probably gonna end up failing. But it would be really cool story to rehash all the quotes they both. But they both say STAN they've both said that they don't respect the way Durant. Did it right now they have said that they've made that clear, and you know, Lillard has taken the absolute opposite approach not only as he stayed there. And not demanded a trade. He's defended his teammates. He's defended his coach, he's defended his management. He's one of the guys who is chosen to try to do it right there where he started. And so clearly when you've done it differently than somebody else, you probably do look at that critically. I don't think either way is is necessarily better than the other. But but if you're Damian Lillard, yeah, you're gonna. Look at it unfavourably yet. I'm guessing they both would have been thrilled if Kevin Durant decided to go to Portland, let's say, well, yes, I mean, but Lillard is said that if he's going to team up with anybody they need to come to Portland. And so that's the way he chooses to do it. I think he wants to be the guy that recruited somebody rather than you know, going in trying to ride somebody's coattails a little bit like Dwayne Wade did in Miami. You know, they didn't go to Cleveland, and they didn't go to Toronto those two guys came to Miami. I don't know if you saw the videos to gods of the Golden State Houston game after the game. What Steph curry came off the court yelling? I don't know if you've read this entire storyline. But the part that I found funniest about the story. I'm about to tell you which is Chris Paul evidently before the game because of rules didn't allow Steph curry to get his shots up took the entire court because he's. Allowed to do that. And Steph curry thought it was small time. He poked the bear, Dan. That's what my father was saying all day yesterday in a way that made me want to punch him in the head on mother's day. So the bear wasn't sufficiently poked to score a single point in the first half. But in the second half the bear was viciously poked to win the game. And and break Houston over his knee. And as he's running off of the court through the tunnel. And he does a great job of masking his arrogance in interviews, but you better be that kind of sure of yourself, otherwise you're gonna lose to all the guys who are because if you're if you're not like, you better be, but Steph conceals it well, and he's coming off the court, and he's yelling at Chris Paul kick me off your court again. Boy, he's yelling it and he runs across Draymond green and Draymond green. Who is the face of gurgling arrogance throughout the league is so delighted to see this bit from Steph that he sort of chases him down the hallway all excited just because Baird his teeth and his arrogance would show some. So funny so much fun. Steph is so cute. When he does that though. I mean it helps Dan he masks all that and cuteness. That's what he does poke the koala bear. So go ahead. Stan what is it that you thought of all that? I really think a whole lot of all that again. You know, if that was such a motivating thing for him. Why does he not score in the first half? You all of a sudden got motivated by at halftime. That's all a bunch of Bs. Look, I've said on your show many times if you want to do any of these make statement things like that you've got to say it before the game or I'm not buying it. You gotta say before the game. Chris Paul Ryan me off his court. Now, I'm going to show him. You know, you don't get to play the result. And then this was the statement you were making the Chris Paul. I'm not buying any of it. He played great in the second half. Give him a lot of credit. And that thing before the game had zero to do it us STAN has got a case of the Mondays late like you just pooped on the end of the segment, we're doing narrative building all the fabled mythology that people love from their sport. And I hate away. Donna, why did you poop on the end? Because I hate it. You are a KOMO. In. You're a cynical. Head may be on your. Donlevatar? Guts. Libertas show with this two guys on ESPN radio. I mean, I'll hasn't wants to correct something from earlier in the show. But before we do that, please. Are you guys interested in the French call courtesy of our D S in Canada, the French call of the Leonard buzzer-beater we? Grassi's think it's marriage. See, isn't it? We. So that is the French call we are awaiting clearance on the Korean call. But I mean L Hassen has some corrections to make he's not happy with our sloppy fac thing earlier in the show. So what what did we get wrong? I mean. So everyone kind of went wild with the Steph curry got kicked off the court story. And that's why you don't put the bear. And all that. And it turns out there's some growth kind of liberties taken by the warriors and telling that stories, according to Houston chronicle and Irv Roland who's in the system coach with the rocket first of all happened before game four not before game six sex. They didn't kick him off the court. They showed up, and they asked how much longer he's going to be shooting for because Chris was gonna work with Irv. And then harden was coming later to work with urban. So they didn't want harden to come over to early and have to wait for somebody else that's gonna work out. So they just at how much longer does he have? And Chris also said let them finish let him shoot. It's. All right. It's not like we're doing full court drills or anything. And so what seems like a very David said that Stephan Chris had a little interaction where they kind of joked and and made some pleasantries, small talk. So it seems like a very innocent interaction that happened for game four. By game six turned into rallying call much like, Michael Jordan or Shaq kind of have gun in their career. I mean, why do you have to ruin the story and? I'm sorry. Thank you. Thank you. I really appreciate. Anything else? I mean, you wanna do to just completely suck the fun out of everything just any any little bit more. You wanna suck the fun out of? Yeah. Go L V crying. I thought a lot of people reacted. So on a love a man who can cry in public. And I all I can think of is get a towel. But it over your head. Do what everybody else does what's that about? Okay. Man. I stand. Why are you loving Amine today? I just you know, let's just stick to the games. And all these other ridiculous side stories. Just not interesting to me. It was more interesting when you know, the original away that it was told by Chris Paul and Steph curry, I mean that was that was the interesting story. I mean as Rohan did. I mean, I don't want the truth. I want interesting stick to the game and say with the ridiculous sites. How else am I going to get invested in this blazers warriors series? If not for all the nonsense and the quotes that they've had throughout the years. You actually think I wanna talk myself into them thinking they have a chance. What about having the two best backwards in league playing against each? Right. I wanna to versus a bad guy. I want them to talk about how much I don't like each other. I like to think there is some of that in this series, plus for Damian Lillard, it's a homecoming. You know, he's playing there in Oakland where he's from. And I think there is some bad blood like you guys brought up before. We might not have as much hugging and kissing as we did after the after the Toronto Philadelphia game yesterday that we're there were more hugs than there are family reunion. You know, I think the bad blood will carry. I like to imagine that DP threes at the movies watching ventures. He's got his popcorn and he's got his coke slushy. And then it gets Tex Steph curry wants to use the arena says Nope leaves the movie and he techs. Nope. I'm on my way. And then he shows up there. He's like off my court. My core. Someone's actually, hey Steph is shooting in our gym. And he responds not for long or something like that. I mean, jeez. I mean, do a main ruined it. Thank you mean. For stopping by. Appreciate most STAN appreciate your have high definitely appreciated. Terrible ally for you to have because he hates t-shirt cannons. He hates halftime ceremonies. He hates anything other than the echoing dribble of that basketball. Any hates the rocket. In fact, stand does have the Mondays right that we find out whether he does lawn work on once last time, you did lawn work stand. Let's see I would have been at Wisconsin. So probably in like ninety three used to mow my own lawn. About right rockets, usually that's a loss. That'll just make team realize we're simply not good enough. This isn't going anywhere Pacers ran into it. Chris so many so many times after beating after losing to the Miami Heat that they realize we just have to go into another direction. Both rockets they may have to actually keep this thing together in might in. What might be the worst incarnation of them after all these years simply because to rent might leave. Yeah. I think they will keep it together. Look, I think Darryl Mauri though, will be out there. He'll be very active you'll be looking to make trades, but they're certainly not going to rebuild or anything like that. And now, they're they're going to keep going after it. They're gonna keep knocking on the door. And I think you know, you heard from their owner yesterday and Daryl Morey they're gonna keep going after it. And they think even surely they'll get you mentioned their owner, and what he had to say let's play for the audience very upset right now. They kicked our home court. They beat us by ten points in the fourth quarter. It's unacceptable. Okay. We just have to be better. And are know that we're gonna rise to do occasion. In our time's gonna come. You know, James is thirty years old Michael didn't win his first championship till thirty caned in when his championship thirty. I promise you. We're gonna win some championships. James, okay. Because we're not going to sit here. We will go to battle every year. We're going to have a strong off season. And we're gonna do whatever we can do to be a better team. Okay. We are not going to sit on our hands. I've been promise you that. Dude. Sounds like Texas. What is Telman for Titas his name? What is his what is backstory, he's not one of the for t- two brothers? He's not a along lost for Tita brother from from MA and casino. Does he have more like Texas than Jerry Jones? I mean, they both sound. What is this guy's backstory? What do you know about them sort of financial spray Nanteuil guy? Put a lot of money into the university of Houston's program. Also in their new arena. He's been a big help to them and you'll find this very interesting. And this is a great human interest story, but his his son went to went to school went to high school with my niece with Jeff's daughter, not a great story. Great story interest story. Not even an interesting story. For Titas actually is actually the third cousin of former U of C owners, Lorenzo and Frank. Oh, I need more for Titas with my sports. They settle their disputes by fighting when they disagree about something. They go into going to the octagon STAN real quick, ten seconds left. Did you turn down the Lakers job several times? It was a matter of fact when they decided they had. ESPN radio stugatz here for Dollar Shave Club, proud member of Dollar Shave Club. How'd you get ready today? 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That's dollarshaveclub dot com slash Dan. Geico presents yet another voicemail from your roommate? About the kitchen turns out when there's a grease fire. You're not supposed to throw water on it. Own right anyways. The fire department is here, and it's totally cool can call back when you get a chance co insurance agency could help keep your personal property protected. Like danger is your roommates middle name. Visit Geico dot com to see how easy it is to switch and save on renter's insurance. So Stu gods was legitimately excited during the break and should have been because something that's happened here since two thousand ten and since the advent of the super team is that you do not have what the Eastern Conference is about to give you which is here's this one guy, and he's going up against this other guy and everyone else out of the way, we're going to see you better between those two this is in super team versus super team. This is motto. Cool is out there playing yesterday's game. It's a coping game. He's just shooting a million times in a game where it's tough to come by your shot. He's always going to be able to get his shot. Staying this is you wanna see these two guys matched up against each other at the end of game. Correct. Oh, absolutely. I mean, this is two of the best players in the game. The two best players in the Eastern Conference. And the guys that as you say don't really have other stars with them. And they've got good players around him. It'll come down to teams not just the individual won't be who l plays who. But this is really sort of the old time. We know who the star is on the team it would have been differently Philadelphia, though, what a felt different because I spreads it out a little. Yes. This is absolute I wanna watch these two guys go at each other at the end of these games in a way, I wouldn't have wanted to watch Philadelphia in that game. No, I agree. I mean, these are the these are the two best players in the Eastern Conference. And they have to carry their teams. It'll it'll be a lot of fun to watch. Both teams defend really well. So it'll be a challenge for both of those guys really good basketball to watch. I think saying I was thinking this yesterday kind of watching the games. Why when you talk about big time for agents. Why do we never hear? Hey, I want to go to Milwaukee to play with that guy Jaanus or maybe I want to go to Denver to play with that guy joke. It's you just is that simply destination players want to go to those cities. No, I don't think that's it. In fact, I know players like Denver, you know, as a city, but not like, they do LA or or Miami. His where one is not allowed, you know. But they like Denver as city a really high on John is I think it's more that nobody in Tippett's they'll have the cap space to sign anybody right now. So I think that's more of the issue than not wanting to play with him. I think guys would love to play with him. Let's get back to what we cut you off on in the last hour, which is the Lakers just hired Frank Vogel. And a lot of people were what the hell is everything. Okay. Did you fall out of your chair standout? I'll actually just knocked over some of the equipment, but we're back on track. Here are we I don't we are yet. I don't feel like on the air on the air. Yeah. That's what are you? Okay. Everything. Okay. I'll survive. Yes. Okay. So the Lakers you feed kicked up on the desk or something and you knock something what just happened to what just happened. I'm sitting at attention here. Tell us what happened. I moved my hand. And I hit the cradle point thing. And knocked it on the floor pick it up put it back on the desk and. Rate ago. Did you move your hand for diet coke? No, the diet cokes on the other side. Actually, oh, you're aged for I wasn't reaching for anything. I just moved my share clumsiness in the that derail the whole exactly right clumsy. What are you wearing? Pair of shorts and a sweatshirt have you ever done this show shirtless? Now, would you know? Because your home, right? You're you're comfortable at high and I'm home. Are you wearing shoes? Flip-flop? No, no, no. No. No, no. You're barefoot. You're barefoot or stress ox now. No socks. The Lakers Laker job the Laker job. So they went then settled for Frank Vogel. But I read a bunch of stories it said that you were the best candidate. So what can you actually tell us about that break some news on the program? Did you also actually reject the Lakers? Now, I never talked to them. I never had any interest. There is I told you before and they never showed any interest in me. So there was a mutual disinterest. Imagine the Lakers come to stand with Jason Kidd scenario. Well, the only thing I thought was strange there looked to me forget the whole process in whatever happened. They ended up with very good coach, I think Franks, very good coach. But a couple of things I did find interesting you bring Braun in. You're you're definitely in a win now mode. And if you wanted tied Lou as was reported, you're really going to with LeBron there in a win now mode. You're going to make your decision based on how many years in the contract like two more years on the contract is going to be the sticking point to you getting the guy that you wanted that didn't make any sense to me. And then I think Jason Kidd is a great hire. As an assistant coach, you'll be a strong member of that staff. But it was like when you read through the lines on the process, they decided who they wanted their top assistant to be before they decided who their head coach was. Going to be. I mean, some really strange things in the Laker. Search. Stan would you take the job if instead of Jason Kidd? It was your brother, Jeff and the two of you like co head coaches. I don't know if co head coaches, whatever work because at some point somebody has to make a decision I'm not a fan of. You know, the front office deciding who the assistant coaches will be I I know that there's a lot of front offices at wanna do that. Now. I don't think that's one where I've seen a lot of success throughout the leak, and I sort of look at those things and say, okay when is this really worked. Well, you know, so I'm not a fan of that. And that has nothing to do with the with the people involved. Like, I said, I think Jason Kidd will be fantastic. And we'll bring a lot to that organization. I just think it should have been Frank's decision. All right. Let me explain something us, Dan. Because this is the third time today, you have pooped on the end of a segment Yelm came to the microphone with clearly absurd suggestion of lives have both Van Gundy coached the Lakers. And you took it very seriously and answered it in the most serious way possible. Why do you take anything gear? Most says serious good question. How was that a fair? Brothers. Cohen brothers, the Van Gundy brothers. Yes, I thought and I thought it was a series question because it came from series person. Who's a better coach, Jeff, Jeff, really? Jeff would say you. I mean. Yeah, he probably will. That's why you'd be wonderful co head coaches exact of the Los Angeles. We'd actually has co head coaches we wouldn't be able to make decisions we'd be like arguing on the decision. Now, you can't have co head coaches, and certainly not the two of us. Can you explain to me, please? How it is that you would have reacted. I don't know ten years ago. If I'd said, hey, STAN, you're not going to be interested in any way in coaching. Lebron james. Well, yeah. It has nothing to do with that. I mean, LeBron James is a great player. So it has absolutely nothing to do with that think about that though. I know what you're saying the absurdity of I have no interest in that job whatsoever. The it and that what they're picking from stand when they're sitting there going through Tyler and Jason Kidd, and some of the things that they're going through. How do you get to their? How does it? I was on. I was on. Get up last week. And and they were talking about LeBron. And russillo said that he wasn't sure if there was a market for LeBron James if they did try to trade him and Seth Greenberg said he wasn't sure anybody wanted to play with LeBron James. And now stand Gundy is saying I don't want that job. And I understand it's not because of LeBron James, but that's absurd. There are a lot of people wanted that job. So I just wasn't one of them. But they had great interest in in coaches wanting that job. So I don't think that was a problem for them. And I disagree in terms of people not wanting to play him. I think they'll be able to go out and sign a a really good free-agent this year. So I guess I disagree with the premise on all on all of those things and they were choosing coach from good pool of candidates. I mean, look Frank Vogel. Did a great job in Indiana. I mean, those teams were really hard to be in even with the super team in Miami. It was tough for Miami to get by them. This guy can really coach. And so love. Coaches. Good name. Wait a minute. I wanna know why you don't think. Frank vogel's. Good coach. Let's go the other live. Running a mill why do you think every coach is? Yeah, why? Because quite honestly because I've coached against them. I know how hard it is to play teams. Teams layers. Maybe they were doing in spite of their coach. Yeah. That's possible too. I guess and at times I would hold them up as an example here put it on the poll Tyler Jason Kidd, Frank Vogel. Is that a good pool of coaches just name Abed code? Who would you want to be the pool of coaches tied? Lou one family. Filch? Riley fine. I guess Riley. Our back. Oh, he's gone. Gone. Yeah. Hi, Lou went to the finals every year. He coached doesn't count who's beat Matt. Final. David blacks are great for the. He did some good things in Europe. Some some good books. Coaches in the world. Here's. Stands list. Best coaches in the world is a thousand long. Includes Fred Hoiberg. Give me one that has a way to go one that just has some things work on. No, there's plenty of people doing that. I mean, they're talking about Brett Brown's job being in jeopardy and Philly. There's plenty of people out there doing the coaching criticism stuff. We don't need another one Jackson just say Hugh Jackson this bad. There are plenty of broadcasters out there who are former coaches refused to say as single bad thing about another coat. Yeah. Because every other broadcaster will not say anything good about coaches, and it appears we've met say stalemate. You like Philadelphia, STAN or? Do I like filling city just the city. I do a little cold. I mean, it's like a lot of these places the winter not so much. But yet the city's nice lot of history. Jeez. Been to some of the museums and things. Yeah. Like donlevatar Ron Carter. Vice beat Cam Nettie in terms of rugged hand. I think so what about Derek Bell? I don't think I mean, we're talking Kharkov ice and Ken Kennedy. I don't think Derek Bell's in that conversation. How Morris how about mauve on MOVA might be in the conversation onto good one rougher Hanson? How Morris Sean Casey f rough hands you know, what maybe still stugatz. Good take. My good strong take on that. You know, what it usually followed, by an opinion, the mayor. I the mayor had soft hands ado, I to I very. Off habe saw gentle caressing hands. Yeah. I believe that to a BCC donlevatar show with Stu gods on ESPN radio. So when Damian Lillard speaking very cool made that game winner a few weeks ago. The mean was tremendous where you could see the look on his face as he looked at a camera full of himself with earned arrogance as everyone around him was jubilant, and he was just staring at the camera. Like, I expected this. I should be hugged by everyone the greatest sports photographs ever taken when people think of them they think of Ali standing over list. And because of what the moment meant my favorite sports photograph ever was something as being the magazine did where you fold it out, the big magazine, the entire magazine bigger than most you fold it out in. What you see is Michael Jordan's game winning shot against Utah. And you see the faces in the crowd in Utah all of them horrified. Except the few bulls fans the ball still in the end. Except the few bulls fans who are in the audience, and they're already celebrating yesterday gave us one of those sports photographs because Leonard sitting down in the corner as Joel Embiid tries to peek around the backboard to see what's happening. And you could see that is literally licking his lips. And you can see that. Joel Embiid is about to have his heart broken and knows it somewhere on his face. And then the Toronto bench is right there near next to them. It's one of the best boards photographs I've ever seen. It's amazing and beat has the stick his head out because he's so far behind the bet you have and like this is he captures the picture the gentleman's name is Rick maddening. Okay. And he captures the picture at the moment. Everyone is starting to realize this series is over that ball is going in the look on Ben Simmons. It's face where he is just like. You and the Toronto Toronto bench. And because it was it was an interesting combination of transcendental and accidentally because it's hugely lucky like that. When you look at that shot from on high. You see that it's it's well short Stu gods. Yes. Like, it doesn't seem like if I told you at the moment that it bounced the first time is this going in no from above above you're saying no that can't be going in from that angle. So then you were saying before that the greatness is in necessarily shot going in the greatness is being able to get that off when Embiid is playing exceptional defense on the perimeter yet getting it off and getting up on rim to to be able to get a bounce, and at least give it a chance. And it's it's really so true of a lot of things in sports. It's the combination of great skill in some luck because luck's always part of it. But it takes great skill. Get that shot even up on rim and not to air ball it or or, you know, hit the site of the backboard or anything else he gave it a chance sands. Right. 'cause wise it afterwards and beads defense was so good. He's so tall. He sell athletic. He was kind of fading away. He said I just had the throat up high enough to get another example of perfect defense got. So you say can't be perfect. If the shot goes in it wasn't. I mean, it was nearly perfect defense. But it was not perfect. Perfect defense. The ball does not go in that spot doesn't. Luckily, bouncing milk bounces off the rim. Correct. If you're just joining us, STAN Van Gundy over the weeks ESPN some of this stuff is like empowering him, and he has become someone who's willing to make more controversial takes on the air. So here are his thoughts on the Lakers new hire. Now here we go. I do not understand how the Lakers could hire Frank Vogel. This guy has done nothing in that one. His teams are always poorly prepared always under. Achieve. There is no way. Frank Vogel deserves to have the Lakers. That is some clean sound right there. My that wasn't the least bit edited no-one whatever catch that guys. It gets worse. He went on to say this look Frank Vogel may not have been the Lakers top choice. But he was certainly number two and this hiring stinks. He runs a constipated offense. His teams have played crappy defense, they just loaf around and frankly, higher just leaves a bad taste in mouth. You guys are the worst will be lucky. If I come out of this show have anyone in the coaching community who'll even talk to me time now for San van Gundy's NBA hot nuggets in your face. And now time with STAN Gundy's top MBA nuggets Sony Monday show. The thing. What's the thing? Stan three point shooting. What's happened to it here in the playoffs? Let's do it. Baby. Third-best nugget from STAN Van Gundy is in the first round of the playoffs. Half of the team shot better than thirty six percent from three in the team who shot best from three one seven of the eight series in the second round only one team Houston shut thirty six percent from three and the team who shot best from three one only one of the four series. Third. Nugget us the second best. Now. Get from STAN Van Gundy is. Several of the brightest stars in the league were part of the second round shooting drop-off Steph curry shut fifty percent from three in the first round and only twenty eight percent in the second round Damian Lillard dropped from forty eight percent to twenty nine percent quiet Leonard from fifty four percent to thirty three percent and Kyrie Irving from forty two percent to twenty two percent. Gets better teams are playing when you get the Orlando's out of there at standings thrilled about yes. And the final best nugget the best it from STAN Van Gundy is one volume shooter has bucked the trend and continues to shoot better. And better the bucks. Chris middleton. Shut thirty eight percent from three in the regular season. Forty six percent versus Detroit in the first round. And forty seven percent in the second round versus Boston. He has also seen his scoring increase from eighteen point three to nineteen point two game. In the first round in nineteen point two in the second round. The rare guy who has gotten better as the competition has increased. Where do you rank the sports photograph? I'm talking about stand. Like, what what when you think of the best sports photos ever taken you think of what will again, my favorite because it was my favorite fan moment. Was you know, Pudge Rodriguez holding the ball up in two thousand and three on the play of the plate against the giants in the playoffs. But you know, the one from yesterday is certainly going to be one of the best ever. How could Joel Embiid have defended that any better? I saw Bruce bone either locking it. Bruce, Bowen was criticized. I mean throw that thing into the third round. That's how you defend it better did. Well, that's the only way. Really? I mean, he could have maybe not let him get down there to his right in tried to make him change direction. But I don't think he had the angle to make him go anywhere else. You know, he he did what he could do. He got a great contest up on the shot and the guy made a great shot weekend. Observations next Cashmore of the donlevatar show with stugatz. Ten to one eastern on ESPN radio and ESPN news. Put it on the poll, please at lebatardshow. Are you surprised that rideshare seats are dirtier than toilets stand Gundy? If you want basketball analysis here, go to Instagram at lebatardshow, he is doing it right now with Allison all of your basketball stuff if you want. He is doing basketball analysis with Allison is what I should have said. Yeah. Sans. I it's fine with me and asked him yet, lebatardshow Instagram live, go ahead and check it out. And here's to God's and his weekend. Observations. Hit the one that has poppies voice on it. Are you gonna say this? You tried all again everything. Stands going where these five for guts share. He's skin notes. No, one in the media will tell you what happened. But at the my two weekends evasions wrought to you by vivid seats needs to a game. Download the vivid seats up and enter promo code chips at checkout to get ten percent off your first order don't buy just any seat get a vivid seat. The seventy three and nine warriors without Kevin Durant are back down for pound Hawaii. Leonard is the best player in the NBA Friday night, tough loss for the rockets even tougher one for Kevin Durant. I don't know. What got what caught up in the moment? Sounds like, but I'm pretty certain. I heard it after game six when the warriors owner said he wants Stephan clay to be warriors for life. The rockets owner that our time is going to come perhaps it will. But I promise you this. If it does Chris Paul won't be there to see it. Congratulations to Chris Paul for doing what he's supposed to do every game. All the men who. Live in my community who I know to be married that I saw playing golf Sunday morning on mother's day. One question. How? Share your secrets with me. Seriously. How'd you pull that off Ben Simmons? Go lock yourself in a gym game. Six rockets warriors the rare game with a series started and ended, Dan. You know, you know, what B O G E L K D Greece spells, you know, what it spells. It spells disaster. George Sodano saying the reason the Lakers didn't hire Jason Kidd head coach was because of criticism received from George Sodano, George. I love you. But good God, Stu gods is strong in you that Collins glue guy Zach college does nothing. Well, but does everything okay. Zach Collins has now made as many conference finals as Chris Paul. So has mohawk Lous Meyers. Leonard beefcake Meyers Leonard looks like a guy named Meyers Leonard. CJ McCollum more like CJ McCollum James hearted. Chris Paul pulled off the impossible something even tougher then actually beating that they made the warriors likable by comparison report. Kyrie Irving has thought about joining the Lakers. What does that mean was it a single thought was he thought it was a fleeting thoughts? I to get to this reporting game. Here's what I'm reporting just about every player in the NBA at some point in his life has thought about joining the Lakers affair thought about it. Doesn't mean a great report though, proud of whatever put that out there James Orden says he knows how to beat the warriors quote. I know exactly what we need to do. James? You're probably should have known that before the series. Yup. Heyday. I hope you sat there watched have good that team is with that. You realized how fair it was for you to join that team. And now of a better understanding as to why you have no rings. Also, I love you. You're the best player in the world. Pretty please. I'm sorry. You just said pound for pound co I was. Even though they probably weigh the same pound for bad. I think I think Kawhi Leonard might weigh slightly less than did. I'm not sure I think got him on a with. And you're. Eighties layer, not sure either you don't know who weighs more put a whole Hawaii Leonard or Kevin Durant. I I'm pretty certain it's Kevin. I usually fat check these things before put him out there. And I think it's Kevin Durant. But we'll we'll check retention the dolphin signed running back. Mark Walton Walton has been arrested three times two thousand nineteen and was released by the Bengals dolphin. Coach. Bryan, Florez said everyone deserves a second chance. No bribe. It's four chance. 2019 Astros cubs World Series. Collision course, nuggets blazers greatest series. I never saw Kawai may Joel cry that shot what happened that shots by Kawai. Literally. Cry. Really? Disappointed that shot by Kawai literally felt like it was for everything in less. He doesn't have a soul. There's no way he leaves Toronto. Here's the problem for Toronto. Honestly, not certain he has a soul haven't confirmed yet. But hearing rumblings that John be live left the university of Michigan because he was simply tired of Jim Harbaugh wearing them out every damn day. Yes. I'm hearing that Dan Gilbert and the city of Cleveland became better options for beeline that having the C Jim Harbaugh on a daily basis. Stand. Ben Gundy, university of Michigan collision course, dick vitality telling us why Rick Pitino would be the perfect fit for Michigan. Collision. Course, I'm not entirely. Sure. And I'm not sure. If we'll ever know. But I think Kawai was pretty pumped about hitting that show up. Tomorrow night is the biggest night for the Knicks in the last two decades. It has nothing to do with playing basketball. I hate them. Kyle Lowry has been the more conference finals than Chris Paul raise your hand, if you had bucks raptors blazers warriors Frank Vogel to the Lakers. You have to be kidding me. Hell they doing. Oh, hell that reminds me or price. Dan, those are the weekend observations. You say raise your hand if you had that it's one against three and one against to. No one had okay? Very good. Break out the red panties. We are Raisch baby. You have the expert that had the blazers make it to the conference finals. I mean Charles Barkley did. Did he have the warriors making the rockets and other? I am. Pivot with your lies and every lie Charles's every now. But every every lie is like, Dan, look this up. You're not going to look it up. And then I put something there. That's a fact then you move it and like good look it up. Look the next thing up. We know about Kevin just walk away. Three is listed at ten pounds. Heavier than what? So that's where co I Leonard is pound for pound better. Like if so if gains a pound he's no longer pound for pound better, or if a game's ten pounds. He's no longer pound for pound Baddegane eleven pounds. And then he's no longer pound for pound pass best point people. Tell them guy, you know, these days van we've been doing this for a while. You should not speak. We've been doing it for what that's a good tire. Though. I've been talking a lot today donlevatar during the breaks just staring at the television. And he says to Asia will rouse ski who probably go without saying isn't someone who can hear what he saying. Because he's on television. He's not in the room. Looks at the TV and says, whoa. That's a nice shirt and jacket combo still God's I'm crazy. These live at our show with a Stu gods on ESPN radio will get to stand Van Gundy in just a second. We'll get the funniest thing from the sports weekend in just a second. But Stu gods felt the need for some reason. Right. As show started just wanted to get it in before the microphones got turned on he pointed his computer, and he said Stephen makes a really good point, Dan. And then the microphones go on. And I'm like, I'm just. Staring at him like, okay. Thanks. What's the really good point that Stephen aim made? Well, he's asked about the the Cavaliers hiring John beeline from the university of Michigan. And Steven said, why do I give a damn with the next head coach of the Cleveland? Cavaliers is going to be it really doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. Stan how could it possibly matter who the hell the next head coach is that's a good coach. Michigan's Michigan is always well prepared to play basketball games under that guy. But he's not going to be able to do anything in Cleveland. Well, look, I it depends on what you mean by do anything. I mean, they're going to be a young team. They're gonna have a chance at maybe the number one pick Colin Sexton came on as the year went on. They're looking for a guy who can develop players, and if you look at John lines history and even the most recent history at Michigan. He's taken guys that weren't, you know, top twenty five top fifty recruits in the. Country and turn them into outstanding players. He's been known for a lot of things as a coach. And he's great at a lot of things. But the number one thing people would probably talk about with John beeline is his ability to develop players, and that's very important for a young team. And so I think the higher made a lot of sense for a very specific reason you like Ann Arbor, STAN former pistons coach, STAN Van Gundy. Yeah. I mean in Arbor, I've got my oldest daughter lives there. She works at the university of Michigan. You know, I do like in Arbor. It's a great place. But if you're asking about the coaching, I have absolutely zero interest in coaching in college, not just hypothetically, what's a nicer place and Arbor, Philadelphia, that'd be a tough call obviously a lot more history in Philadelphia in Arbor's more of just a college town. But they're they're both very they're very nice both of them. Yeah. Let's say like November to Junish right that area. Ooh. Cold in both of them. I would say I'm sitting in Lake Mary four Florida that would be a better place than both of them from November to June, Philly cheese, steak guy or chicken, Philly guy. Who of course, trying to eat a lot lot lot less red meat. But if you give me a choice on taste, it wouldn't even be close. I'd take the Philly cheese steak. Do you like the rocky franchise? Yes. Course, how can you not like the rock infringing? How do you feel about the liberty bell? Well it cracked, but you know, other than that. I really like what if rocky was called Ricky. I don't think it would be as good. Do you think it would be a musical time? Now for funny thing from the sports weekend. People. What sport menu you laugh hardness? He's weekend is a segment we'll go. What made you laugh this weekend? What do you got Chris coating funny for the sports weekend is brought to you by Wendy's right now Joyce small frosty at Wendy's for only fifty cents chocolate orvin Ila either way, it's just fifty cents. Hurry into Wendy's. At treat yourself one today at participating Wendy's. For a limited time Drake wearing seventy Sixers shorts during game seven to reverse his curse on the raptors. Do you think if they had lost game seven he would have put it out on social media that he was wearing seventy six fifty. Ghirma? What do you got the Cindy, go Padres decided to be cute yesterday for mother's day? And they changed their Twitter handle to my dreams. And that gives someone the opportunity to scoop up the name Padres. And they lost control of their own Twitter handle for a while to college kid, ROY. What do you got what's the funniest thing from the sports weekend? Some Lakers fans held a protest over the state at a team in a particular. Laker fan showed his disgust right here on Chol hadn't magic, my older brother had Koby LeBron. He's brought me nothing as you happen right now. Get bus out here to incompetent for this city. And we don't want anymore that protests like four or five people at an including clipper. Darrell right, no way. It had like that person. Put that on the poll. Guillermo, would you like to kill that person with your elbows at lebatardshow? They're worse approach us than Miami. That was a terrible protest. It was six people that guy was one of them. He annoyed the five others and clipper Darrell came over to make fun of every. Clipper Darrell folly at his day. That's really what was the funniest thing from the sports weekend. I mean, this is been Paul Pierce h's best post-season ever really has. He has been a star the postseason. It's either him or Weiland Paul Pierce predicted. The rockets would game six they blow up. Yeah. He's had a rough go of it's Dan, what was your funniest thing from the sports weekend. Enes Kanter seeing a picture and tweeting picture of the nuggets advertising their Western Conference finals tickets in an exclusive presale, and then he tweeted with the comment refund. Please. I wanted to go with Putin just scoring eight goals and falling on his face. But then I saw Kyle Schwaiger playing the outfield. Here comes on truck. Swerves donlevatar. Is it fair to say that Stu gods isn't trying very hard? Stugatz. The VC's live at our show with this two guys on ESPN radio. So Mike Malone was busted up yesterday. And so he dared to take out an important holiday that. No one takes out. Everything is still so raw we talked about this a few games ago. You know, do you like to win gay to lose? I hate to lose right now mother's day sucks. Talking. The nerve lebatardshow on Twitter losing a game seven. I mean when you have the best didn't they have the best home record in the league this season? I'll check I think they did. Yeah. They had the best home record. And I know Michael Malone's mother very well. So I was disappointed in that. And and and they didn't even get a Lillard game. Like it was a terrible Lillard game. Mccollum was amazing McCullum, and I felt so bad for Nokia, man. He just he needed a little something from Jamal Murray who was great in that series. But just came up short was not great in game seven I felt bad for Nokia. I really did. Sucks. At lebatardshow Instagram and Twitter's to go ahead and update the poll, they got a joke. It. Hey, let anyway, the the polls brought to you by Dollar Shave Club dollarshaveclub delivers the product you used a look feel and smell your bass right to your door, plus with their handsome discount. The more you buy the more. You save go to dollarshaveclub dot com today for a special offer, that's dollarshaveclub dot com slash Dan. Go there today at lebatardshow on Twitter. Should it be old Hampshire? Eighty two percent of the audience. That's a funny question said, yes, it should be old Hampshire has standing Gundy. Done your work the last twenty years. Stan, how do you think this won't work out for you? I'm going to say most people said no eighty seven percent of the audience said, no. And they were right hasn't done anything since nineteen Ninety-three and the. Sometimes you have to eat a poop sandwich. Fifty six percent of the audience said, yeah is Tyron Lou, Jason Kidd and Frank Vogel. A good pool of coaches, eighty eight percent of the audience said, no, what do you think of that? Stan. Eight percent of the audience is spoken. You said that was a good pool of coach. Yeah. I mean, I wanna know who other people's pool is that's what I wanna now. Then if you don't like that pool who should the pool of coaches been like red are back. He's no longer with us. Chuck Daly, no longer here. Like who do they want Gregg Popovich, probably not leaving San Antonio. You know? I just if you don't like it. Then who did you who do you think should have been in that Paul Riley? Phil jackson. Good coach van Gundy's. Yeah. Phil Jackson seriously, Pat Riley like you think they're going to do that, you know, their ages. I don't think so the Brun whatever I use apprised that rideshare seats are dirty or the toilet seats. Sixty nine percent of the audience said, no ice. Would you like to kill that person with your elbows, Dan, this is early? I forget what we were talking about it and was a segment ago protesting Lakers fan. I it was just a noxious here. There's no one there is no one who will side with this protesting Lakers fan on anything. Uncle had magic older brother had Koby. I have LeBron. He's brought me nothing happened right now. Get bus out here too incompetent for this city. And we don't want anymore. We'll wait for more votes the role in. But right now, you're right. Then one hundred percent of the audience says, yes, awesome. I think he's playing all of you serious protests. You actually believes the broad needs to go after the season because he's brought him nothing. Yes. I feel like those were bunch of kids that were just having fun with the media trying to pass them as much as possible. This is annoying though. This guy sounds annoying as he speaks. He sounds like somebody would bother other uncle had magic my older brother had Koby. Lebron? He's brought me nothing. Happen right now, get bus out here to incompetent for this city, and we don't want anymore. So you think that's a fake stand? Do you believe that to be a fake? Yeah. I think the guy was just messing with people. I saw the video. He did not look like he was joking. He wants bust at here. I don't even think he wants LeBron outta here. He wants bus gone. That's part of the sellman. You have to go bigger. Go home. How does it get that bad that fast stand? It was eighteen games. He was injured and everything fell apart. It did go quickly, you know, in that time. Well, and then he came back, and he he wasn't the same. And and then they had the Anthony Davis situation while he was still hurt where it felt like everybody on their team was thrown under the bus. And look you expect players to be committed to a team. That's clearly not committed to them. It's not going to happen. I mean pros protests never happened with Michael Jordan teams. I mean, they just did it. I mean, just another reason why he's the goat crater six people and clipper Darrell never showed up outside of the arena. One six more that protested against Jordan ever about anything. Protesters and clipper Darrell. Bajic by older brother had Koby. I have LeBron. He's rummy. Nothing happened right now get out here to incompetent this city. And we don't want anymore. Do we know clipper? Darrell details on clipper Darrell 'cause I'd love to have him on. He had his day like to hear how we peppered all the protesters was he just taking a victory lap. What was he doing? There Cooper Daryl taken ising. I thought if anyone in the world would love that. It would be you. What was he doing in solidarity with them? Making fun of the protests gathered us around the the arena things chair clipper Darrell. Is he's been waiting for that for thirty years. You can listen to the Dan lebatardshow with the guts, then to one eastern on ESPN radio on you can wash on ESPN news.

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There's a devil lombarno aparna so much work to i. Rich radio now boy is a. He's rome he's the blue who is a messier's that's and we pirate radio with the ship. Our sales in the sky is blue. There's a devil aparna who so much work to pie radio. Someone yoda who the health heaven boy. Somebody named tony who once we got the skip weller ship because he knew we would sail bold pirate radio with the ship and crew. We got wind in our sails in the sky is blue devil lombarno so much work to for the pirate radio one year anniversary. It's crazy of like the world caving in on itself. I thought meant the greg cody show. Podcast that's what. I meant what i meant. Thank you he was talking about. A horror felt around the world not the pandemic. Yes the coincidence of my podcast dropping at the same time as totally not my fault. How's it doing is doing great. Actually we debuted on sirius. Xm yesterday by the way my dad says his podcast is now on sirius. Xm channel one forty-five not in your car. It's not just think on the app. It's a it's a weird setup we keep saying sirius. Xm it sounds great. Yeah don't don't say well it's like a a school's radio station and one on one. I was talking to howard on the show. I was like howard. I was like yelling down trying to yell down. Forty five channels yes. That's so weird. Were not available in a car. Isn't that were ninety percent of people. Listening to this. Listen to sirius. Xm at something. We gotta get solved. Chris or get on that you. Why can't you hear in the car. I don't know when you when you flip the channels. It goes right from one. Forty four to one forty six. It's like the only channel that does that for you are on a sirius channel. That get skipped over. Yeah that's on. Pit bull not me. I mean he's running this operation. Is that an older person thing. My dad says pit bulls named the same way the kind of like christopher walken to bull. The watch i call him armando. We're tight. I loved the idea of cody getting into his car on the debut day. Super excited that. He's on satellite radio and trying to go to channel one forty-five to hear the greg cody. Show featuring greg cody and just being confused relentlessly because his keeps going from one forty four straight to one forty six with no showing for greg. Cody brags that's exactly what happened. I was literally in my car in the driveway. throwing up a what a w t.f. Because i couldn't figure out what was going on. Finally i find it I don't have an app or anything. I'm not an ap gai. Finally i find it literally on my pc. And i'm listening but If you got to have my car come no but he tried to spin it as a win at the time but we're on the app apps the future. I'm like dad. This is said we were on channel one forty five and it was skipped on my tv. I mean my in my car you said you went to the car to listen. The car was in your driveway. You're on a radio in a car is that is that yes correct. Because that's where i do all my sirius. Xm consuming. I listen to spotify on my app and sirius in my car a minute. How many apps do you have greg. You said you're not an app on your phone. How many apps are there I have probably a handful. Actually i have one to help me identify species of plants. Ooh i had that one but it was a free trial. And i didn't wanna pay because it was too expensive. Yeah a modest amount Wow i wish. Greg overly just have free apps if they charged me anything. I'm i'm not there. But in this case i think i pay to ninety nine a month or something but it's fantastic. It's it's incredible. It's great. I gotta get one of those for animals because there was an odd bird in my driveway. The actually said to my wife. I wish mcgill Had slept over. So i could ask them what that is. You should pitch that app to him. The ron mcgill laptop animal identifier. It's a great idea in another thing you know it. Also i was thinking mcgill would crush it on cameo and he and he could give all the money to his foundation. Got to do that. So greg don't you want people to pay for the herald Yes i'm a hypocrite. Can we go through the apps on your phone. Can we go through now. The apps that you have every. I wanna go through every single app on your phone will. Here's the thing as i look at my phone. I'm not entirely sure. What's an happened wasn't his instagram and app. Yes yeah i have instagram. I have a voice. Memos I have podcasts. At the last did the flashlight i do. Yeah nice but i never use it. I have twitter of court twitter. Seattle you think of twitter and facebook because apps are they have more absent. I thought i have zoom spotify candy. Cameo I have good rx which i never use Flashlight which i never use. Wasn't that name disco tune up. No i don't have pornhub. Baby i watch all that on my pc. That's about it. But i probably use three or four them full Five of them full time. Have you considered the dunkin donuts app. Because you're someone who uses dunkin donuts every single day. So have you thought for a moment of downloading the app to make that entire spirit Experience different or do you. Just go in there with your cash and plop down you. Two dollars and nineteen cents and run out of my ammo has totally changed on that. I haven't actually physically been in dunkin donuts store since before they changed from dunkin donuts to just dunkin because now i do all my dvd consumption. At home i have a beautiful new couric that the wife bought and it works fabulously so still a dunkin aficionado. But it's all at home now. It's not actually in retail so i'm contributing to the death of retail. You gotta get. dd perks. yeah. I'm looking at right now. Featured item three dollar medium cold brew. I mean sounds expensive. That seems like it couldn't be more normal price right. It's on it's it's a perk right here awhile to ten count for munchkins about that grabbed you. Don't strike me as a guy would order as coffee off at and go pick it up like you know you have to go there. You have to see them. Make your coffee tom. What you want in that coffee and give them some some cash right right. Yeah i used to enjoy my experience going in there actually because I was such a regular that they knew what i wanted. I didn't even have to order. And i enjoyed several. I enjoyed actually paying out of minneapolis. Duncan friends then you have. Like duncan friends like just a couple of old dudes hang out it. Oh yeah yeah. I had a guy Mike was a drummer in a big band. Modern style go watch him play. One might say a big band he must have had a tastic. Don't make the big that this is weird greg. One time i gave my doug donuts people gift card for christmas gift card or no well now is for else for the. I don't remember what really you hang out at dunkin on the weekends. These are always old white people. No not on the weekends but i would go in the way to work and it was always the same people and i was like you know what it's the holiday season. Let's do something nice. Oh great i. I felt like norman cheers. When i will exactly exactly yeah and i also enjoyed listening to some of the things. People ordered like somebody would order small coffee with like eight sugars in. It almost felt like what are you thinking. What are you doing. What was your reaction Though how would a big band kill it because there's no mosh pits and no singing along so is it a toe tapping sensation because when they hit the drop on the but added that it added. I don't i don't care for you gotta be careful. You better be careful with this copyright interest. I've got a number of got a number of follow up questions if you wanna keep doing this while i asked them doug coating that when you said that you went and saw him perform somewhere. Can you detail that experience from top to bottom. Where was it how many people were there and was he doing big bands. These sounds are all enthralling me. Because i grew my dad was such a big band. Well bill cody was such a big band. That shocked at them. That's so surprising. I mean he you know. Pardon me boy is that the chattanooga choo choo boats to carry me home. I wanna carry you home Golden age the big band sound is fantastic. It's it's rooted. I think it's fair to say. But he goes all over the place. It's it's free style. And when i saw mike perform at this club it was actually a little irish pub and his band was so big that they took up. I would say a third of the seating capacity in the pub but you know once a big man his groove and you close your eyes and you don't know what deck decade is. You could be listening to anybody from the nineteen fifties even big band sound Died when when rock and roll when pop music took over and so it's a it's it's a part of my life that i can barely remember 'cause i'm believe it or not. I'm a little too young to have been in the original big band era. But i know of it meant so much to my dad. Music will ever come back because everything comes back like disco has a mild comeback. Even swing after swingers wingers had cherry pop poppin. Daddy's big bad voodoo daddy and all these bands that became. Just these nizhny. man's. I wonder if big band music will ever come back because it's everything awesome waves. Yeah no. I think that's a good point i Back when she was popular Bette midler had had two or three hits that were very much swing music and almost big band music and Yeah i think if you. I think any number of people Modern people could if justin timberlake decided to be the front man on a big band. He could totally pull it off. he could. He could get the musicians He could have the look And i think it's a it's an interesting concept actually. I hope somebody doesn't. You should talk to our mondo the next time. You guys have a meeting about your station. 'cause in his concerts he has like a thirty piece band. That's playing behind all of his music. So i think he may be trying to bring it back. That's when music music. Greg am my right and swiss of the world or the elvis presley's right bands. Yes i know you're right and it was on samba lack that you don't see anymore you know all of a sudden you went from a twenty five thirty piece orchestra to a four. Some you know to the beatles and the big band era when you think about it. How expensive was that to put on a big band concert with all your your paying so many musicians the that the word coney. I feel like that could have been back in my day. Gimmel i need you to put all of the following on. The poll played should a big band. Be playing a pub at lebatardshow Will big band music ever make a return and finally the most important one when a big band. Hits that groove. Do you know what a decade taking up. A third of the seating is probably not a good business strategy. I don't think so either just playing for this speak band like how big with this I would say it seats one hundred at the most. It's got a big l-shaped bar and then a little tiny private room and then a in and then a a main seating area where the big band was i'm in. I'm pretty sure i i know. This is obscure a lot of people. But you guys might know. It's the yield falcon pub in davie. Mel's like the Furniture and the would in there has absorbed decades of urine and alcohol. Billy i've got. I've got follow up questions for you. That was a freudian slip foul. I've got follow up questions for you. Billy on the dunkin donuts gift cards. I want you to tell me about like. Did you roll in their swaggering with expensive gift. Cards with oprah gift card how did you how did you do this. How many people did you give it to. You just did it with your order. How emotional were you while doing doing it. How a moist ride. How emotional were they trying to remember back. Because it was a couple years ago. When i would go all the time and i know that there was like two people that were there all the time and i remember thinking now now that there's a follow up. I'm wondering. is this something. I thought i was going to do or something i actually did. Because you know how you have and i know what they say. Hells paved with good intentions. Or whatever that saying is. But i'm wondering if i actually went through with it or not. I definitely had the conversation. I think i was going on. I feel like i got to like twenty five dollar gift cards so you don't really have an answer. Remember you know what i'm gonna go by later and see if they're still there and some. Hey do you remember me a couple years ago that i give you a christmas present or not. Grab it back to you on this greg. I'm wondering with big bands. When you big band do you think count basie or should i be thinking duke ellington. I'm guessing he thinks laurence welk no I before well. i'm thinking more like many goodman. Who was one of my father's favorite. I actually saw count basie A girlfriend. I had a long time before i met my wife She and i went to a count basie concert at a junior college and it was. It was good it was you know he was very old at the time. But it was great it was a mind blower because that is the only time. I've actually seen big band concert proper other than my buddy mike greg. Are you self conscious at all. When you say out loud the phrase no and passionately no. I go before welk. I go longer than plate. Please look this up. Because i didn't think there was music before. I think that that's where american music started. So can you mean the favor guys. Just looking up the lawrence welk wikipedia or wittingham. We like your broadcaster voice if you could give us. Just some laurence welk information that will. How would you explain this to the audience when you talk about. I go before lawrence. Wealth while i'll just i'll let wittingham do the rest. I will tell you that large walk was born in one thousand nine hundred three so right. Love winningham talking to second but i. I wanted to say that. I barely remember laurence welk on tv so cheesy. A one and a two bubbles will be floating and everything my dad and mom used to listen to laurence welk religiously but when i say i go before welk. I'm talking about my appreciation of big band music. In addition to the above mentioned spiked beer. Welk's territory ban made occasional trips to richmond. Indiana and to grafton wisconsin record a handful of sessions for the ginette and paramount companies in november nineteen twenty eight recorded four sides for engineers spread over two days. 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But really that's when you think about it that's really the only finger pop and music in the that's snap music. The roaring twenties have been referred to a lot. I'm watching morning television. i'm. I'm serious and on cnbc too because there's going to be similarities. Where like america was there is going to be. This absolute rushed to do things and experience life and with the reopening of the economy and hopefully the vaccine continues going well in terms of distribution because united states compared to other countries is doing better. Now i actually saw this morning that there are more people vaccinated right now than currently have the corona virus. So that's a major landmark in all of this and. I wonder if people will tap into 'cause gatsby parties. Were a thing. I wonder if people like turn back to that nine hundred twenty eight. You know because everyone goes kiki on the river on sunday. Are they gonna go to the coco bongo club. You believe that there's going to be some post. Prohibition rising up of a frustrated america during the great depression live in any time in united states. History i would like to time travel to the roaring twenty s because music and arts and dead free spirits. I use that in terms of drinks in moralities. It seemed to be quite the transformative time for this country. Let's also not forget that in the roaring twenties they were coming off of a pandemic to the spanish. Flu is obviously devastating to the country. Then let's also not forget that. When mike ryan says because this is always been funny when i have a form of this conversation with my black friends about traveling back in time. It's always. yeah no thank you. No thank you to all of it right here. There aren't baby gonna. I'm not gonna coudl as you just be interesting to see. I just wanna go to like a like a a like a hawk. Stoppers what is sock hop funded. Everything is everything is cyclical. And i can see there being that returned to To what makes talking about. And i can also see music leading the way when when i think of a modern pop very popular performer. Who could lead a big band. I think of a guy like bruno. Mars i think of bruno mars Sudden performed a moscow. A big band concert it would really kick start the kind of a reverse revolution you know or you're all sudden harking back to a time before you were born. I think it's exciting to consider in a an plausible actually. Did you guys know that. I descend from the big band ahead. Go on what do you mean you end. What does that what does that. What does that mean. The brothers right. You're my uncles. My father's father my grandfather and all of his brothers and there were many brothers. Were very famous big band in cuba. I feel like. I've told you guys this before when i meet old people in miami who here my name. It is not because they don't know my name because of the stuff i've done in miami. They know my name. Because the orchestra the laboratory brothers in cuba. This is a part of the thing. That's funny they only had one good musician who died of a heroin overdose. The rest of them were just pretty. The rest of the brothers played instruments. But were just nice to look at and so they were a big man. I have original recordings. Do you have a name for his band because anytime i searched laboratory brothers. Los hermanos lothar. You find. I don't know i tried to find one time on spotify. I tried to find wilson models. Live i think you can find it on just googled. I think there are a couple of recordings but it was a band of a good amount of repute. Tell me who knows they tell me it was the most famous big band in cuba was big. It was big on saturday nights. Where people they'd get all dressed up in tuxedos and stuff and they would do big band stuff mike. Who would you go with in terms of modern people because bruno. Mars can do what it is that greg cody is talking about. It seems like a perfect fit actually on bridges could probably do it too right. Yeah that stuff comes back artists. I've christine aguilera even popped with the mini comeback using that big band sound Duffy amy winehouse kinda tapped into some of that with mark ronson production that that pop for a little bit bruno. Mars was actually tapping into the early nineties or and be type music now. He's going a little further back with his side project with innocent poc but big band in terms of like a a a soaring horn section. That really hasn't pob since the late nineties when swing had its mini comeback. I i never know where it is. We're going to end up as a show. I did not know a deep dive into music before. Lawrence welk is where we were going to start today idea. Welcome i wanted to ask the group. We started to mind some of this yesterday. And we've obviously got a lot of heat fans around here. And i wanna bring a mean and on this subject as well because i wanna find out from a mean who he believes. Best fits the miami heat. But you always. We talked yesterday about. They always get linked to karl anthony towns and john wall more than any team in the league. It feels like the miami heat have interest in blank reportedly blank. They don't deny anything. They don't confirm anything. There are very private organization. Very few of these reports actually ended up panning out. But now according to kevin o'connor of the ringer that he'd have interest in three players nikolai vuckovich. The russian larry nance junior really need to stop doing that. What the swiss mussa vich. He's not a rooskiy and the manga. Belka amine among those guys. Sorry jesus thank you the first time in history. I corrected him and you correct humidity not exactly bradley. Beal larry nance could fit some rolls. I like larry mean who do you like for the miami heat. I think in terms of style of play be elites a really brings something to the table as a guy a big ball handler shooter. Playmaker you just fits the way the heat one a play in terms of offense moving the ball being able to shoot from all five positions and then having another playmaker for an office as a lot of passing and a lot of moving i think larry nance It's more of a role. I guess they don't really have outside of precious which is an athlete. kind of a. You know someone who could go up and go get it as they say though it up there and go get it. Pam counts right. Bam counts a bams often the guy who's making the play for someone else. You'd really improve their defense and their defense actually struggled often might well season. I don't know i would say the opposite. I would say this. The offense has been the thing that's been lack luster in the defense is actually what's carried the team And allowed them to stay afloat. You know while they go to their what about the perimeter defense on losing the size with jae crowder and the versatility of jae crowder because jay crowder was hugely influential on defense to because whenever lebron would get a switch switch on jae crowder another big body that can body up mike when they're healthy. They've been good defensively statistically when they've been health problems haven't i don't know larry nance and that question okay. It makes them better defensively but not in that way avery. Bradley would actually be cure all for like a point of attack and point guard defensively which is like the big achilles heel to this team's defense on the perimeter and you guys laughed the last time i brought up his name. But what heartless man. I'm telling you healthy more heartless does some of the jae crowder stuff not as good as jae crowder but some of it and and a good shooter who was the third fans are out on him right now. I as a player. He's playing minutes bridge over that one. I don't know that there are two camps. I believe in basketball. Does a candidate things that boost visitors. God's gift to basketball so skilled and all his unin as people like me. I'm like i don't think he contributes to winning. I think he's a good stats guy. I don't think he's. I'm the i'm not enamored by boost bitch efforts for free shore but having to give up assets to go get a guy like he's their best player i mean if he becomes your third best players. That isn't that a good thing. Yes no i mean. I just think that for him. He's just. It's too much of a box that he's got a plan and east spaces the florida and he's got a great back to the basket game but it's just kinda like it's one of those things where he's not really a guy that you can make your third best option if it seamlessly. I don't know i. I don't really know the but he'd fans kind of pop for him because he always does he bless your rat but that's the orlando magic thing like anyone who plays for orlando looks like a superhero. Anytime they play against the heat. But i mean isn't a plus for alleged that he also has two years left on his contract. I think he's shooting like forty two percent from threes right and and he would play center. I would imagine for miami right. He would he would. Just if you're asking me those three guys he's quote unquote the most talented. But i think those other two guys are a better fit kevin o'connor of the wringer reports that the strongest interest is invasive. Which i want to ask mean to expound you can side swipe without elaboration doesn't contribute to winning so i i understand that your opinion is actually more informed than that. You're not just throwing that out there. Flippantly he has played as the best player one of the best players on the team that has been a relevant for a decade that we have not thought of for a decade. He is very skilled player. Who has evolved with the evolution of the league offensively. I don't know what he is defensively but when you say. He is somebody who doesn't contribute to winning. How do you quantify that dan. Do you remember kevin martin. Yes kevin martin was every analytics guys dream this disguise he gets nothing but lay ups and three pointers and get to the free throw line like this is what the numbers love right and his whole game was tailored around it and he was a guy who put up twenty plus points a game in this league and was a pretty good score. But there's something that you just can't put your finger on you say he's a good player but it doesn't seem to translate into any sort of success outside of his own box. Scores statistics I'll give you another another name. That's along those lines Call anthony towns. He's a guy that look if we're the the the number the counting game as they say like i'm just looking at his numbers. This guy's really good but when you when you out like the totality of the picture. How does the impact winning. He doesn't he doesn't he's just really good at being really good. And you know that's all right if you're trying to be you know an all-star being commercials and stuff but i think we talk about winning is another level the other thing also part of this conversation we have to realize is that bush is ridiculously pay. This isn't a guy on on a nickel and dime contract. He's making twenty six this year. Twenty four year. Something like that. And so when you compare that with elites i think make seven larry nassar thirteen. You're talking about. It's not just who's the better players just like. Its bang for the buck. Am i getting twenty. Six million dollars worth of value out of usage as opposed to. How much value do i get out of. The seventy got probably more than seven. How much value. I get out of thirteen million dollars guy. Probably around that that level the pipe dream is slipping away but using this logic. Could you poke holes into bradley beal's reputation using the very same logic because even though the playing a little bit better or not doing a lot of winning with bradley beal as their best player. Why think first and foremost you gotta look at. How long has bradley beal plays the best flirt with a healthy team. They haven't had health not this year not last year And i would argue that if you look at them year when they had their whole team They saw the three and eight thousand nine but they were losing games by couple of possessions. This is an incredibly competitive team then. Covert just wiped them out then. They started playing bunch of guys. Sign off the street and they lost thomas. Brian injury whatever and now they're starting to get healthy again. Guess what the wizards are doing. They're winning they go to portland and beat the blaze blazers. They go to. La beat the lakers. They go and beat the nuggets at denver right. That's not what a bad team does about him. Go out west and and going to win win streak and the reality is no. They weren't bad they're just not healthy. Which is something obviously. We're very familiar with down here. Bradley beal to me. he's different. That guy is a guy who impacts winning. But he's not superman. He can't overcome everything. I mean with Just for a second because you could have said the same thing off the bottle boutique. Last night you pronounce nicole his name. Okay don't call them. The russian the russian But listen jimmy butler. You said some of the same things about jimmy butler before he came here he's ever twenty five game. He's ever twelve rebounds a game like you make him. You're third best player. I think that's a serious upgrade for the eat. I don't know what you're doing with a winning stuff or williams is point guard. Who's going to win with that guy. Tears roz a shooting. You arrive. I think bradley beal and you believe in the culture. Sorry dan you believe that culture then they'll turn them around them make them a winner right. I don't believe in the making of winners. I also don't believe in the analysis not a winning player. When i don't have enough information about whether or not. That's a winning player. Bradley beal looks excellent. I've seen bradley beal win. Not at all. I mean like. I don't know how you're doing that this every time you guys think winning player means look at all the trophies. I have in my case. And that's not winning player. Winning player is more about the approach. The voice i mean that's not the voice the voice is ner but the difference you're explaining between beal and vucevic. It just seems subjective. Okay so okay. So you guys want some. Some numbers wants them. Hard analysis right. Yeah and is it and is it totally true to say that the wizards weren't good. They had a couple of really good teams wall and beal. Bill wasn't considered the best known. Because that's when wall was at apex the so i'll give you a great example. The with the excuse me the orlando magic. When nikola busey which is on the floor they're defensive rating is one hundred thirteen point nine wolf. That's bad when he's off. The floor is one hundred and three point. Four has their offense so so what. He's on the floor. Their offense one zero five point three which is another wolf by the way when he's off it one or two point six so is a three point like shaving that you get off when he's not not on the floor. All men are offense is struggling a little bit three points. One hundred possessions. Put our defenses about ten points better. That's not a winning player. Ladies and gentlemen that's a guy who gets numbers and then to hell with anything else. I'm just staring at twenty five points per game. Oh but i love what i mean. Just did talk a minute. We had to rummage around. It's it can be this way. Sometimes with the mean. A mean is a very now knowledgeable basketball person but every once in a while side swipe somebody with a not a winning player and then we're all left at the to look around but he just gave it to you empirically. What not a winning player. Me i would. I really pushed him there though. I mean we didn't. We had to follow ups for so we had to come up with a good stuff. I did my first my first appearance on this show. The very for some advocating on the dan lebatardshow. I was driving from bristol to boston. And you guys called me. And we're asking me about a player named hassan whiteside. How could he. How could this guy be just. Nobody knew about him and teams passed on him. and i said because he's a jackass. Everyone made like lost their their their their marbles on it they were marbles all over the mark yes so many marble and And as time went by he was doing well. And i said you got them right now at the best possible state. He has to be a good soldier because he's playing minimum even under those conditions. He still exhibited the behaviors of jackass right but not all the way it was kind of like. You'll make an appearance here and make an appearance there. You guys are in love with him. Infatuated with and as time went on and as soon as he got paid what happened. Spongebob an excellent excellent callback hassen. Not once but twice. He is impersonated us in accent that makes us all look terribly foolish. He just took a victory lap on hassan whiteside and is now sipping vigorously from water. Like greg cody. So let's remind people of the time. I mean alhassan wasn't right. He can improve in the sense that he can adjust is focused in life as far as from being the best player being more complimentary player more facilitating player and all that but in terms of being as great as he was the last couple of years. That's out the door never again. It's not happening comparing you with a team. Like the spurs team. The warriors team like the thunder. They're not on that level. It gets worse from here. That's that's the other part of get. He doesn't he doesn't improve anymore. He gets worse every day yesterday. He was better than he is today and so on and so forth last year. He's probably thinking himself. Yeah i didn't wanna mvp. They're trying to do the. Mvp redistribution program. Okay let someone else have it. Everyone knows i'm still the best on the planet and then this year starts. Oh no you're not you're not. He's not the best player on the planet and not even when he tries. You can try his hardest. He's still not as good as steph curry. Oh crap not only. Am i not going to win the title this year ever happening again. He's not gonna win a championship. This is the. I never remember while i'm talking about. Why one team is going to win. And everything i said is right. They can't play. That can't keep up with. They're not smart enough. They don't shoot well enough every single aspect of the cavs. And i'm not saying they're not a good team. This is a championship caliber team in a world where the golden state warriors is. What's the part that feels worse about that. I mean turning red physically turning red this having my breakfast guys. That sad breakfast blah means officially in miami. I've been trying to craft my all time. Heap killer team so far i could use some go to you on this and i assume that we've done it too many times before. We've never assembled a whole team. I feel like the nets have had a couple of different players including marcus. Threaten at one. Point thornton's on my team coming off the bench right now. I have hybrid backing up. Vucevic and i have alan houston at the to. I need to build out this team. Okay so you've got allan. houston you have hibbert. You've got marcus thornton. Didn't wayne ellington kill the heat for a bit before. He moved joined. I signed him yet. He'd cut towards them will never forget the paul millsap game off the mill set game in year. One of the of the big three is among the more devastating results of that era. Do you remember that. I associate paul millsap with my god. It's not gonna work just scored forty and started when millsap decided. That game was when millsap decide. You know what was going to ask that. Was that the game where he hit like eight threes. I remember watching that game. It was an nba game. That's i don't know. Why wow palm. It's not random but we got dirk at the four. I was gonna say we need a dallas maverick. Jj yeah well. Jason terry and sean sean. I'm forgetting to even say try to. Was he just a killer in the finals in one game in the final. Go to off mike. He had one good offensive game in the nba fi. You like twenty eight points. And then he stopped lebron or jj software on the bronx up laurent. I got that millsap box score. So is when he was with the utah jazz and forty six points in an overtime win. Nineteen of twenty eight from the floor. Three of three from three any san antonio spurs on the rabah. Gary neal on that. Gary neal is app. Zanny green and transition world's patty mills john stevenson the up until midway through game six interest. Remember they would put boris on lebron. And lebron. just couldn't figure out that boris. He just wanted him to take the mid range jumper. and then lebron and wade realized. Oh we're okay mid range and then they want. I would love to have an honest conversation. I mean with gregg popovich about would you go back to that series and change your philosophy of. I'm just gonna give dwayne and lebron all the mid range stuff. They can have and those guys decided that they were going to take all the mid range stuff that was available then it worked. Let's should've gone. This is the part that kills like it worked the he had. Tim duncan on the floor that last possession of game six game over. Game over rebound. We win the ropes were out. That's it it worked look. It's not like they got killed in the mid range by. Lebron dwayne wade. Even game seven was an eke out when you needed. Tim duncan miss a point blank lab. Shame batty. I'm sorry the only decision that you can second guess from the spurs was pop. Why would you sit. Tim duncan in that situation and by the way for the record he says i wouldn't change a thing. He sticks with his decision. So i would waste my question in my time with pop by asking him something. I could have just asked me remember that. The the whole controversy that we're all lucky that game work the way that it did because pop sub tim. Tim duncan illegally and bylaw replay that sequence. You imagine sports radio. Oh god if they had a replay abortion the finals. If only that had happened sports radio would have stayed alive and vibrant all these years later instead he died just about on the spot. I just want to point out that on my screen right now. All i see is willie burton if fifty bomb. Yeah i i'm also putting david. Wesley remember that hornets elimination. We had so come back and then they injected so thinking. This was a title team. Because i think they were within the top seed that year with all. No no no like that. Anthony mason team was a middle seed. But that do you remember that stu gods so many people this is old guy. Podcast talk right here but the idea. Podcast talk that. I keep wanting to call radio. Talk the idea that those teams anthony mason was an all star that year. I think it was the only year he was an all star. And i remember asking him the questions about zo. Coming back as a star for the team and anthony mason looking at me. In a way that frightened me relations people were hovering around and anthony. Mason wasn't here for those questions and that team went right in the toilet. The moment that jso came back buried by jamal mashburn is that there's been a couple of siblings at have played together down here in south florida in terms of best sibling. Tandems in miami. Sports history. You go anthony mason. Jay fiedler the mean learning that right now assembling of quarterback jay fiedler and anthony mason. There can't be even a close second place to that. That's a real thing. Anthony mason put it on the poll at lebatardshow. Did you know that anthony. Mason and jay fiedler were brother. Juju put those photographs up with that. Poll question joke right. No it's not enough not having a joke. I'm looking at this is the. Hey we got kirk tomorrow. Turns out. I think the fiedler's took You don house lament to their home. Don anthony mason as it. Excuse me sorry to you to fiedler. Also i didn't know that story as well interesting the fiedler took in both anthony mason. And you don a well protected home i. The headline from the sun sentinel in august of two thousand fiedler figure dad to to top athletes from michael mail if you want to get to the heart of the headlines that hit south florida sports last week as well as the guy who answers to dad. In both cases you dial the brookwood campus and glenn spe new york and ask for the owner. Ken fiedler how his son j the one who wants to be dan marino successor. Doing after arthroscopic surgery grade. Ken said sunday. He'll be free of pain for the first time in a month and house. Anthony mason the basketball player who considers a surrogate father. Wow chris cody is seething. Right now dios dance when you read like. What's happening down a little bit. Chris that fiedler anthony mason. We're brothers chris. Cody is the old dog. 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Rest in Peace John Thompson, Chadwick Boseman

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Rest in Peace John Thompson, Chadwick Boseman

"Good morning, it's no secret that twenty twenty has been such a trying year, and unfortunately we come to you with heavy hearts yet. Again, the Great Michael Wilbon with us this morning Max Kellerman Stephen a Smith I'm Molly Kerim Rose in gentlemen I want to get right into it and remember the legend, the legendary Georgetown coach that is John Thompson who led the Hoyas basketball team for twenty seven seasons has passed away Thompson a master coaching record of five, hundred, ninety, six, in two, hundred, thirty, nine, listen to this ninety, seven percent of his players stayed all four years and left with A. College degree, he was the first black head coach to win the NCW National Championship three time, Big East coach of the Naismith Basketball Hall of fame. Inducted Thompson Retired from coaching and ninety nine during his tenure Georgetown. He coached several NBA First Round Picks Alonzo Mourning Patrick Ewing Bill Martin Alan Iverson in sleepy floyd just to name a few Michael I want to start with you i. know you are a friend of John. Thompson. I'm so sorry for your loss and I appreciate you joining us this morning but if you could just put into perspective his life and what he meant to you. Well Molly. I covered Georgetown basketball the year Patrick Ewing was being recruited. By John Thompson. So that goes a long way back. That's that's forty here. Twenty one years old and had no idea what I was in for. To to be around to cover later to get to know you mentioned friend I I feel that. You know other than my father maybe. Couple uncles big. John. Was As impactful on my life as an adult man is anyone other other than that than my dad and a couple of uncles and? As Stephen a knows and can speak to we'll speak to he didn't coach either one of us. Play College basketball and yet. He was. Everywhere in my own life in terms of what I believe about education. About sports about basketball that'll mean XS and os I I mean sort of the day to day execution of what these things mean to our culture. And it's hard to even know for me you know where to begin. I mean John was the most complex fascinating brilliant person I've covered. Courageous and probably I can apply all those things anyone I've ever known. And there were so many mornings where I learned after long time that John Steve didn't care. John didn't care necessarily as much about talking about the day to day issues of basketball matchups in who was playing, and who was an all American who was better than home but all the big issues, all the great big fat juicy issues controversial that we're confronting us. He was always available to talk about he was always available to share himself what he felt about those things how they would act. Students, his students, his players, the rest of us, the rest of the world. And it's the world is not going to be as interesting a place without John Thompson. Well. Michael you Stephen could talk for much more personal experience. I can just tell you and I. Don't know how much value it is to add because you can get this everywhere. You know in the Heyday in my lifetime of college basketball when the big east was like as good as the pros it felt like he was excited about that as anything. John Thompson and Georgetown were the powerhouse if you had to pick one especially during Patrick Ewing time where you thought. Were that's the team to beat seemed to me to be Georgetown and. I had I had a personal and that's just like so he was a great coach from the kind of salad days of college basketball for people in my generation and as a trailblazer and as I as an African American coach winning a national title, all those things. That's that's well documented. What that meant to people in you and Stephen. A. Could speak to that better than I can. What I can tell you is an experience I had with him at the a McDonald's all American. Game. Michael you may have been there. You May. I may have even gone with you. I don't remember because this is back in the around the horn days and it was Lebron James. Amateur game in fact, his team lost that game and I run into John Thompson back? Behind the scenes like in the press area. And he's sitting there and he had a commanding presence you know and I always got the feeling like he knew it and he liked to use it. Voice and size and everything. But you know, of course like I, go up to his John Thompson I. WanNa talk to them and we're talking about Lebron James and the contract that he just got from Nike. I think it was like one hundred million dollar contract. I don't remember exactly and hit. The first thing he said is Lebron getting one hundred Kobe is going to need two hundred. So we started talking about it, it was basically his point of view whatever your potential was. One guy had already done it, and that's the guy who should be rewarded. The guy who already did, and it's a moment that has stayed with me. I remember that interaction I didn't have a lot with him. But I remembered that one that it made an impression upon me that the kind of values he had told him whatever we think Lebron's going to be any turned out to the all of it and more. Kobe, who already done it he's the guy now that he's going to have to he felt like double whatever the gave Lebron and so whatever people can take away from that go ahead. Michael. I don't presume to talk about with that kind of personal feeling that you do. But I'm sad because it was a great coach figure for my really my childhood. loomed. Larger than life in my imagination, and now he's gone. Yeah well Max. in-depth all these stories are personal or most of them are great many of them and I I know I have dozens of them because it was. Almost. Forty years of covering and interacting. With Big Joe and I will share this one. When I talk about courage and he he believed in earning everything earning it, and that's what you're speaking to about Lebron earning it. He didn't Begrudge Lebron anybody coming up through it. He just wanted the people who would earned it to be rewarded at an even greater in even greater way. So one morning John Big John Never slept I, mean he He would always seemed to me to be up at three thirty in the morning and he would return my calls. I was a single guy young guy covered the team and when he called and he has something to say was offered a two o'clock in the morning, which is great because that's my my lifestyle anyway. But then again, John Was it seemed backup and he can be on the phone at seven thirty. And so the early morning 'cause I wasn't ready for it. John called you in the morning and you sell half asleep he would say son you WanNa sleep where you WANNA scoop. and. Say Coach I'm just waking up what is it and he said get over here. Get to the get to the school this one morning. We waiting out in front for you. And he was in his big sedan when I drove down Georgetown and I got in the car and I said coach. When we what are we doing? And he said we're going we're going to look for somebody we're going to look for Raeffel Edmonds, and if you Google that name, you will realize this was a notorious figure in Washington DC. Great in DC in the drug world in the one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty s, and maybe even into the early nineties. and. He had approached, which is no great surprise. Some of the Georgetown players I'm sure. Alonzo. Mourning heavy one of them. I'm not sure who else. But John, of course, wasn't just going to leave this chance that his kids might by happenstance be unaffected he was going to affect the situation himself. And so he said we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA. Look for them and. Thinking what the hell are we GONNA do John. We find him by the way and we're in his car driving around Washington. We're stopping at gas stations, gymnasiums, and barber shops and all the places you would think you would look in any urban area. For anybody but particularly in this case, this person. and. We couldn't find with big John had just put out the word he was looking for him and ultimately. All through the Rafer Lebanon's just he he went to Georgetown to sort of have a meeting with John who then who made him understand you? You cannot approach these kids this way because they're they're they're my responsibility and I'm not just going to turn them over to the streets of Washington or to you. And we're not talking about courage I'm talking about actual was fearless. He was feeling he was fearless when dealing with the NCWA he was fearless in dealing with schools including his own what his demands were. He was fearless in dealing with opponents. He was fearless in teaching. And that always the further I get away from that story the more sort of amazed I am by it. And it was just To have a front row seat to this and those kinds of things. Month after month year after year I don't know that I took them for granted then, but there's nobody like that. There's nobody likes that and yes he was also involved that he lost his incredible games. He's to incredible championship games. One Dean Smith who was a mentor to big John. Villanova in which his team played an a plus plus plus. Game and somehow lost it. A team had to shoot ninety percent and a half to beat his team. and. All the players that came through and there's the basketball stuff and that's what most people it's going to resonate with most people I bet is not. First and foremost what resonates with me as someone who? I don't know that I've made a big adult decisions over the last. Thirty years without talking to big John and I grieve and mourn for his sons as well. His sons and daughter, tiffany? But. Jd Three who people do know made a final four of his own and was a coach of distinction himself and Ronnie and I've known that whole family, my whole adult life and I guess their adult lives. And this is not shocking. Big. John was nearing eighty years old. People knew about health issues and challenges that was on the phone with them not too long ago when he was running out of breath in the conversation, just scared the hell out of me. and. So is this not a shock, but it doesn't mean it's not a tragedy because it is. You know on daylight today. You just find yourself profoundly sad because he was such an iconic figure, he meant so much to so many of us. Obviously knew big job very well, and hadn't spoken to him in a while but. Many. Many years we used to talk all the time You always have me as a guest on his radio show with doc walk in the crew in those guys in d. c. we listened on Westwood one calling NCWA. Tournament Games particularly the final four. But I think that thing about it that. People have to really think back to and everybody is right now arrived at Georgetown in Nineteen seventy-two. there was a predominantly white school predominantly white student athletes are particularly on the basketball team. He went there and within three years they were in the NC double, A. Tournament Eighty two, they were playing for a national title. against Jordan and indeed Smith's crew Smith would ultimately win his first national title. But it was against Hoya Paranoia and growing up in the streets in New York City. and growing up in the streets of America's a black man as Mike Wilbon could obviously attest to You were in love with Hoya Paranoia because they were fearless they would've rebels before the running rebels came along with Greg Anthony Stacey Augmon and Larry Johnson and all of those boys before them it was Georgetown was Hoya Paranoia with ewing in a Michael. Jackson Reggie Williams? Michael. Graham all the David Wingate in these boys you know you just you just saw them in. You just love the way that they played before forty minutes of hell was introduced by Nolan Richardson. Hoya Paranoia gave you your own gave opponents their own sense of health. So you saw that on a basketball level and you were fascinated by watching them play watching the dominance of doing when he had to be real because he block like the for. Four I five shots or something like they just throwing stuff out of the got called for goaltending on a couple of occasions that the calm down because it he was just going at it. But then when things really really went to another level was when you saw how protective John Thompson was you saw how people try to denigrate and cast and castigate these players because you know they didn't like their style or they didn't like the feel this and the bravado that they showed while doing so because they were But. They came at you with relentlessness and tenacity. You saw this coach personified and was emblematic of all of that. The waited he went after so many different things on and off the court, and then of course, there was the prop forty eight issue and the reason why that's so profound is because if you look at stuff in hindsight y'all. A study was shown analytically that. Forty seven percent. Of African American student athletes WHO ENDED UP GRADUATING Would not. have been eligible. If proposition forty eight had been enforced in one, thousand, nine, hundred, four, eighty, five, forty, seven percent. So let's just take into account. The number of athletes that would have been a nod denied an opportunity to achieve in education because obviously the rules in regards to proposition forty eight, which was ultimately you know you know they they talk about it being proposition sixteen, an upgraded version of proposition forty eight. Later on, it would have denied forty seven percent of those student athletes an opportunity to graduate because it would have denied them eligibility of from the time they were freshmen because they weren't eligible and what John Thompson recognized and realizes that excuse me you can't measure young black men to the degree that you measure the people because you're not taking into account their trials and tribulations. These are not dumb. Kids these are kids that are scratching chlorinate fighting in the streets wondering where they were going to get their next meal wondering whether or not they were going to be able to survive and when you consider the comedy things in the kind of challenges that young. African American men have to endure and have to go through. It's not the intelligence that's lacking. It's the fact that they don't get prioritized their education because of the distractions that are placed before them. I was one of those people. and. So for me growing up in Hollis Queens having drug dealers right on a corner having the allure of drug dealing stay stare you straight. You're straight in front of your face because you're starving you scratching your watching your parents scratch and claw just to put food on the table a roof over your head clothes on your back and what have you John Thompson was one of those people in the public odd that gave voice to the voiceless people that couldn't speak for themselves. He was speaking for all of us and he was fighting for all of us it. was. It. Was Him. It was John Chainey was so many others who was Nolan Richardson as well. It was so many others and then they had white coaches supporting them Lucon sex of the world, the Gym Bay of the world and so many others that were willing to fight the fight because John Thompson was one of those guys that was at the forefront willing to put his career and there I say, even his life on the line for the rest of us, and so I think about that on this particular morning there my heart aches for him and his family to. Know that he's gone, it's an incredible loss for all of us. Alan Iverson is you can imagine this absolutely devastated are reached out to him earlier this morning you know you have so many people at us at award they Alonzo Mourning of the world that the campaign Matombo of the world those are the four most popular players that played on the Job Thompson. But there were so many others and it was contemporaries in the Business Day whose lives that he's touched in a profound fashion because he was ahead of his time and the kind of issues that we're tackling today He was tackling thirty years ago damn there by himself just with a handful of other people in an age in a time where people are still highly reluctant to embrace such a challenge because they didn't want to upset the apple cart or things of that nature he thought about US instead he thought about young black kids on the come up who needed a chance needed a mentor needed an adviser needed a strong arm of support to fight for them and showed them that there were things worth fighting four. He was one of those people and I am eternally grateful to him. And the impact that he's had on my life. Personally, I'm quite sure I'm not alone as Michael wilpon related We all know his son John Thompson. The third we know his son Ronnie Ronnie used to work for the Philadelphia Seventy sixers right he's a friend I love them and Mahar goes out to him as well. Of course, as lovely daughter Tiffany as well. Is just an incredibly, incredibly sad time and we're all going to miss him greatly but we also will still going to be incredibly thankful for what he gave us because he did a lot for us and we owe him such an incredible debt of gratitude. and. Now, another edition of obvious news from GEICO. A study says that soft talkers do not make great radio personalities. We asked local Librarian Steve Sage about this, and here's what he said. I don't buy. The Harry captivating radio. Also, an obvious news gyco makes it easy to save money and easy to manage your policy with the GEICO. APP. So switching is really smart decision. How to Steve Feel about this love GEICO APP I use it all the time. That's all these news from guy calm. Promises are may year after year we we've we've heard a lot of these terms and these words before we heard him in twenty fourteen reform and we start hearing them. Now you know a lot of these just we shape who same ideas and nothing is actually taking place. Everybody keeps in changes don't take this and change is going to keep that and that's like the incremental. Idea that keeps stringing you along to make you feel like some go happy Sun's GonNa Happen. Ain't nothing happened. People were done in twenty fourteen in his twenty twenty and people are still dying the same way and they keep saying reform reform formula and that the being reform. All, of us have been here follows came down here with the platform that we wanted to use and. Nothing has changed now world. Jalen Brown, skeptical of the NBA owners backing up their pledges to support NBA players in their push for social justice this after the bucks walked off the court on Wednesday refusing to play their playoff game against the magic led to the postponement of games until play resumed Saturday joining us more to talk about the social injustices in the country is Temple University professor Marc. Lamont Hill Mark it's an honor. Thank you so much for being with us this morning and I mentioned earlier I'm jealous of that library behind you know you also. Have a podcast on apple called coffee in books podcast. So everyone can check that out as well. There's nothing better than getting lost in a book I will tell you that much especially during covert but we are facing reality right now and we need to discuss what's going on. That's why I'm so glad that we have you with us and I want to go back to what happened Wednesday, the players taking that stand that protest in reaction to the shooting of Jacob Jacob Blake what was your reaction to that by the players? I let me just say a rest in peace to the Great John Thompson. When those players walked off the court or decided not to play in that playoff game, the Milwaukee Bucks they were following the example in the lead of John Thompson who as you all know when he was protesting forty eight and forty two was standing for systemic injustice and inequality. So I very honored to be having a conversation on such a tragic day That said I was very proud of Milwaukee Bucks out when I saw that I said this. Moment players are leveraging their power and their platform in order to leverage a justice for me. That was extraordinary. We've seen individual examples of it. We have Great Bill Russell we have Oscar. Robertson. We have Mahmoud Abdur Oh we have crept hodges, but to watch team, do that not where fancy uniforms not change the warm ups but say, we're not going to play this game 'cause it's more important stuff out there we will draw attention to it. That's something else. For me listen Stephen I thought have said, go ahead. Now I'm sorry I'm sorry I didn't know. I thought she was gone bad. I think first of all, we can't help but applaud the Milwaukee Bucks they deserve a boatload of credit when you consider the particulars, the fact that a matter is is that they didn't try to get anybody else involved. The first order of business was to be on the phone with the Attorney General, and of course, state a state officials and Wisconsin trying to get something done trying to get something address in regards to Jacob. Blake. Blake's shooting when they were dissatisfied with what they were hearing they decided to make this move on and it was to play as George Hill in Sterling Brown if I remember correctly and Greek freak. GUPO. The star the team has to surmise that if he was insistent upon playing that, the rest of the team would have played, but he wasn't having it either and so he stood up in the organization as a whole stood up and they made the decision they weren't trying to boycott and get other people involved the Milwaukee Bucks were going to forfeit the gain a playoff game against the Orlando Magic just to make the statement that they ultimately made and then props to Landau for joining in. Of who was their opponent and then of course, all the other teams that ultimately followed that day N. beyond. So we gotTa Give Mad Mad Credit, which do to the Milwaukee box and to the NBA players as a whole to the leadership, Chris, Paul and Michelle Roberts, and of course, we also have we can't ignore the role that the NBA is playing because even though all of us have a role to play in our society, there are a plethora of owners that are of the mindset. You know excuse me not only are we paying the players, but we've let them know we support whatever they want to do. So what is it l.? What else is there that we're supposed to do the players have gone about the business of identifying what the owners could do. The owners have been open and receptive to doing exactly what the players have asked him to do. We'll see if they hold to it like Jalen Brown said, we'll see if they hold to it, but nevertheless I think. That the NBA players specifically and the League as a whole has set a shining example for a whole bunch of leads to follow and I think it's put immense pressure on the other leagues because we see the way to players in the League itself have worked in concert with one another to move forward. Let's see the other leagues follow suit because of that happens that's going to put pressure on legislators across the country to act and act in a very forward fashion as opposed to do to. Some of the things that they've been doing. Professor good good to have you on and you and I were at CNN at the same time about. Almost took ten fifteen to twelve years ago whatever it was. So you know congratulations on all your success. It was obvious to me. You were a star then I I was listening to Jalen Brown's audio. I started thinking about and Bomani Jones tweeted about it quite a bit reacting to it right along the lines I was thinking on the one hand. The League has been very good partners for the players and vice versa they after all zero covy cases, they're going to get the crab champion if they so choose. The owners have been supportive of the players and all that stuff, but on the other hand. The owners also support politically through contributions and these are billionaires. So this is significant because they can. They are had that big pocket book next to the Levers of power. Candidates. WHO Supported that candidates antithetical to the aims of the players? How do you think this get squared because it seems to me that Jaylen Brown if not directly talking about that was certainly right in that area. It's a great question and and I think you're right. The first thing we have to understand is that institutions governments, corporations and team owners don't have feelings at the business level, their personal feelings. But at the business level, they don't have feelings they have interests and the team owners will only a concede to the demands of the players. It's in their interest to do. So that's why it's easy to erase a player who twelve guy on the bench you'll never see the twelve guy on the bench. Make the be the first one that make the protests, and if he is he's disposable. But what we have at this juncture in history is Chris Paul a Lebron. James. A few years ago Wayne, we people who were at the height of their careers who were willing to leverage their power in their authority when that happens the don't have a choice but to listen the owners don't have a choice but to do something, the owners have consistently demonstrated that only when the players apply the pressure will they? Follow proper protocols. They will they yield to the demands of black lives matter will they not try to silence the players and so the way that this could swear to answer your question is for the players to continue to make this a people's Movement for the players to continue to use their power in the platform, but not just one or two guys but the leaders of the movement that's what makes Lebron so special as operating in a tradition of. A Bill Russell he's saying look I'm at the top of my game. I may leader an elder statesman. I'm still willing to put it all on the line similar to John Thompson off the court in the nineties. The idea here is the players continue to do that. Then there can be victory, but there needs to be a clear goal from the players because Stephen as one hundred percent, right the Milwaukee Bucks are willing to risk it all actually lose the game. That's that's that's the ultimate sacrifice in terms of sports. The players have to say, what are we alternately willing to lose an order to fight for justice? What are we willing to sacrifice but also what's the endgame here and it's told my brother Colin Kaepernick when when he first began his protest is the end game because we wait if we say we're GONNA protest until racism is over or white supremacy is over we participated rest of our lives we need concrete material goal which have such admiration for. The players now I just want them to have a concrete goal is a what do we want to do what we want coaches to do? What's the statement we WANNA make what's the investments we want we want to make in the community and because we can't control what the owners do privately and we know they are who they are and they do what they do but we can leverage them if we have a goal of plan and consistent leadership. Well. Mark I appreciate so much what you just said you a thousand percent right and address in Max's question I'd like to piggyback off your aunts and mark by adding this you saw. You highlighted how the owners have their own personal interests and they all personal feelings. This is just me talking I'm not speaking for you mark this is just me talking. It would behoove us to not be concerned about their personal feelings instead lock in on their personal interests because their personal interest is what's going to provoke them to conduct themselves accordingly in the interest of the players themselves. So yes, the players have to have a concrete plan. You have to have a concrete target you have to know exactly what you want, but it's also important for the players not to get caught up in what you believe or what you think. You know the owner's personal feelings are their personal feelings don't mean a damn thing if their business interests. Meshes with yours and ultimately you are able to provoke and incite them to conduct themselves from a business perspective and a fashion. It's beneficial to you and your 'cause I think it's important to send that message to play because you can have players and older I sit up there and say, okay I'm willing to donate this amount of money and oh by the way I'm willing to go on Capitol Hill or I'm willing to go to the state legislators while I'm willing to go to sponsors and advertisers in our local community and do exactly what you want what you want us to do but a player my find out he's still voted for the candidate player might not want. Okay. No? No No. No. I understand what you're saying Max in terms of their times. You might not be able to separate it and I'm not disagreeing with you Max at all. What I'm saying is it's important for the player. I'm just talking about the mentality of the player to lock to Ryan Saturday about interest addressed instead of be concerned about an owner's personal feelings. I. Sometimes. So sometimes quickly professor those things were at loggerheads like, for example, with the situation with China, the United States and China share at times it many times, mutual interests, but not mutual values, and ultimately at the core of this is our values. The interests were. Players are trying to leverage speak to value. So I'm not talking about how people vote or their personal feelings I'm talking about campaign contributions and stuff like that. And that's where it gets tricky. Right? Because first of all, we got to be honest about this. If you're a billionaire, you probably made some political and social decisions that I'm GonNA disagree with right. It's hard to get a billion as impossible to get a billion dollars in any system and not have made some choices that people who are vulnerable people will catch a health problem with so if you scratch enough. Under any on how nice how the Nebula they are they probably to something we disagree with. So if that's the standard than will never gonNA win I. Agree. There's sometimes with a personal choice in the personal commitment does matter look at Donald Sterling Donald Sterling. Wasn't just somebody who had ideologies those ideologies will put into practice in terms of how he treated the players in terms of what he did with racist housing. Policies in La all of it matters what we can make choices based on people's personal lives and values but at some point to Stephen as point, I think we're all in agreement here. The fundamental thing is, as we're trying to navigate this system, which is already picking winners and losers at the social level, we have to make sure that we have in a movement that has organized and is committed to social. Change and yes. If my owner happens to make a choice that I disagree with in the voting booth or what he does with his personal money yes I can speak on that. But my bigger question is what are you willing to do as a representation of that team in the League because that's what my power and my leverage is that's where that's where I can make. That's what I can make a change. But it still comes down. The ultimate importance is about the players themselves having a concrete plane you pointed that out that's where it starts. No matter what devoid of that everything else is irrelevant because you could attack an owner for their personal choices, their personal feelings, what what they WanNa vote about etcetera etcetera. But if you don't have a definitive concrete plan, the owner can say who the hell are you to talk to me you don't even know what you want, and that's what you have to insulate yourself the position that you have to insulate yourself from finding yourself, and if you are a player, you have to make sure you know exactly. What you want. So you don't have to care so much about what their feelings are, and you get to lock in a what they're actually willing to do for you a your agenda because that's what it's all about everywhere. You look professor it doesn't matter where you turn with people have the most successful people are the people who have their agenda and make sure their agenda is being addressed as opposed to preoccupy cells by compromising their own agenda because they're turned off by what somebody else does be about getting what you did a follow what the hell you want and how to get it and move forward from that position. That's essentially what? The players are doing. 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There's never been a better time to switch to geico save an extra fifteen percent when you switch by over seven limitations apply visit GEICO DOT COM for details. One win. In Life, you find things that whole value. Things a fight for. We thought some were fighting for. NBA as a collective unit. And I usually sues. Similar to me to keep. Fighting All around the world. So. I can say lot power to keep finding. We WanNa Win Hashem emotion. Comes out so. The picture of George Floyd on your right shoe here got beyond a Taylor. Why is this so personal for you Jamal? Not just in America happens everywhere. and. I come together MBA. And don't take one meeting. It tastes couple meetings meetings. Phone calls takes since. It's not going take one night and we've been doing trying to fight for forty years. Whether she was giving me life even though these people are gone. They give me. My strength. To find his world. From doing. Clearly Emotional Maury and we can see that performance so much bigger than basketball remembering the victims saying those shoes give him life and he's focused on that after dropping fifty in pushing the series to a game seven Stephen A. L. Start with you. This really has been an incredible series and we've seen the jazz, it Donovan Mitchell and him going back and forth but I wanNA focus on Murray who does this game most remind you of? Wow it's hard to say because you know he's just You know he's he's he's been a score machine soothe to fifty eight percent from the fifty seven percent from three point range. I don't even have words I've thought about cats dwayne wade out thought a little bit light Kobe based on is look the last three games I've thought I've gone back to the watching him strokes you in non at three, hundred, twelve threes. Last night I've thought about Ray Allen I've thought about Alan Houston I really don't know the answer to that question believe it or not. But because there's so many people to pick up at depends on what game he brings some nights he's relatively passive during the. Regular season and have forty point games regular season last three games course fifty, forty, two drops another fifty last night he's been absolutely sensational with no make no mistake about it and his handle his athleticism or underrated as well. So I would say the Kobe's in d. ways of the world. If you just go on by the last three games I lean more towards the Ray Allen and Allan Houston if you just taken his regular season performances into consideration but considering what he's doing in the postseason. Superstar written all over him. I'm kind of wondering what the Hell Utah is going to start doubling and getting the damn ball out of his hands 'cause I completely agree with Charles Barkley and Shaquille O'Neal and what they were highlighted last night get the damn ball out of his hands for crying out loud. He's shooting fifty, seven percent from three, fifty, eight percent for the point from from the field rather get the damn ball out of his hands and make somebody else beat you I don't understand why on too many occasions the guys had one on one coverage on him but nevertheless, e-especially as Avi knowledged all season long the. These special college basketball player, he can shoot the rocky can handle. He's got athleticism and what have you and I I think that Denver is GonNa find a way to win this series I predicted. They would win this series to begin with, but Utah obviously is really really tough and Donovan Mitchell is an absolute stud averaging thirty, eight himself this brother something special but Jamal Murray is as well. That's all I can tell you. dwayne. Wade's a good call. Big. Or a Combo Guard who can really fill it up and plays under pressure in the playoffs so far my thought went to Cairo. Irving though Kyrie irvings already a champion and has a bad reputation at this point as locker room guy in terms of the effect he has on the chemistry of teams Damian Lillard but because Lillard has a good reputation that way. But he's he's not there's not a perfect cops form but I gotta say excuse me Jamal Murray I've been saying look Yokich is clearly the best player on this team and if Jamal Murray were as good as that like if they had to near MVP candidates, they be a real title threat in fact, Jamal Burris the best player on this team right now that's saying a lot 'cause 'cause Yokich is a bad dupe. Jamal Murray is playing like the best player on a championship team right now, and he has another near MVP with him. That makes me think about that entire team differently. Murray has been what he Donovan Mitchell have been doing guys remember I said it's the only real rivalry. Hyperbolic. I guess. But let's see. Lebron actually link up when they're both the Alpha's of the team like when Kawai has all responsibility now, not back in the day when he was a piece of the Spurs when he's the main guy, let's see him and Lebron link-up. Lebron. Kobe, never linked up in the playoffs like we wanted to see that. But by the time these dudes are linking up in the first round right now. Oh my God and they're putting on a performance. I can't remember a game seven of first round series. I look more forward than this where there's good performances by two guys basically do the same thing for their teams who are going back and forth and elevating each other's games like this every time. One guy goes to a level. You go where you can't be better than that. The other guy answers and raises it, and then the other guy answers and raises it it is remarkable Jamal Murray's remarkable. I knew he was already good I thought he'd be excellent because he's still very young. I just turned twenty two I thought he was going to maybe be a great player one day right now this is you can't play better than this is lacking insane how well joe-marie is playing so I get the Dwayne Wade comparison maybe I go with Cairo or gave me a little a little bigger I. Don't think there's a perfect comparison this dude Donovan Mitchell are putting on a show for the ages was, hard makes Stephen. I. Mean I've been thinking about who he compared to also and a couple of days ago. One of my good friends show a feel of summit takes and said that at the game five that he were dead tomorrow murderer reminds him Gilbert Arenas and after watching him last night, he's pretty spot on I. Mean it's nothing offensively Jamal? Murray can't do when you look at him. He's a great three point shooter way that he's able to get separation their. Own his own on the three line especially when he gets bigger guys on him also makes you you. You said a great point. He's a bigger. God I watched East Outta prayed to go down in the post. He got the ballroom strained with great hands as these finish. Finished his well around the basket. So when I'm looking at Jamal Murray and his office a package, it reminds me a lot of Gilbert Arenas in my guy was spot on with this and I'm with you Stephen A. Would point. Are they going to trap this brother? He's single handily beating them right now, and in the playoffs quin Snyder you listen brother you have to do better. You have to make someone else beats you. This guy has single handedly taking over the game and he's dominating also Michael Jordan type stuff. Some Alan Iverson type stuff. That's the name that you starting to put his name and knows type of conversations and you gotta get the ball ideas, hands and. Credits Donovan Mitchell because he's competing one day, I can sell by Donovan Mitchell not only exploded offensively. But on the defensive being I'm watching him in late in the he's taken on the talents. He's trying to stop the Mall Murray. Now, we gotta give them credit where credit's due to coast malone because he made the necessary adjustments by putting in The grandkids in the starting lineup and also space spacing a floor we yokich putting these guys in position to be successful. So I wish things up now it's time for Utah to switch things up or it might be too late because I might be with you stephen a you're saying that devil go close this out and said closes out. WHO's been better? My mentality, my better monitoring, Donald Bullshit and Jamal Murray question who's been better guys I don't know how like I guess game sentences determined that. Better than. Very close. Let me answer your question. I would tell you that Donovan Mitchell was better. The first three games and Jamal Murray has been better the last three. That's why would that would be my answer to that question? It's pretty even because he's been back and forth in that way. But I. But I also take this a step further. Here's why I'm rooting for Denver I'm a Denver Nuggets fame in terms of the collection of talent that they have. We Utah Donovan, Mitchell Fan I think there's a bunch of solid players surrounding an absolute bona fide star Donovan Mitchell whereas in Denver Jamal Murray might be on the verge of superstardom, but the joker is a star in enough himself and they got a lot of. Tall sizable athlete surrounding them and I'm thinking about the next round because I want the next round of just as interesting as this route I think Utah gets taken out relatively easy by the clippers that ain't the case with Denver I don't think that's going to be easy at all, which is why I liked it and I love by the way KP, your Gilbert Arenas analysis from two thousand and four to two thousand and seven. Gilbert Arenas average twenty, five, twenty, nine, twenty, eight, and that brother could put buckets on anybody if he didn't lose his way. Gilbert Arenas with something special to behold he really was. Hey. 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Mason and Ireland HR 1: LeBron Uninterrupted

Mason & Ireland

49:19 min | 11 months ago

Mason and Ireland HR 1: LeBron Uninterrupted

"Crumbs crumbs crumbs crumbs. So here's what's interesting Chris. Chris and I have clearly gone sideways and we should say Christmas Alice's our imaging guy and he didn't poking his nose into the show meetings. Yes and he's very very good at his job. Yes he is. He has somehow decided that he doesn't like me anymore. Now here's the funny thing. I'm supposed to play golf with Morales on Saturday. Wasn't this the Big Travis Rodgers? Man Yes and by the way yes by course by hand and so what what could come out of this like? I'll let you behind the curtain since you know. No one else is listening. Yeah I need something weird to happen in order to be Travis. Travis is better than me at golf. Yes Oh so maybe maybe this is. Maybe if it's so uncomfortable for Travis that Morales and I speaking in rattled. That'll throw travis off. It gives me a shot. What do you think I think? By the way it's back by popular demand bringing back Ireland versus Travis partout winner of Ireland Versus Travis. Part to gets a day off from their show. Loser does double duty two shows in one day. It's this Saturday. A black and gold. You can watch hole by hole coverage on our social media accounts at Espn Los Angeles and thank you to our friends at coors light. Now you can order cores light right to your door go get cores. Get Dot Coors Light Dot Com. That's get dot coors light dot com Ireland graduates travis than you. I'm glad you made that distinction. I just got a note that it's coors light is the sponsor course so okay so you understand no handicaps work in Gulf very actually do not okay. So every player. Like if you're on a tour you don't have a handicap. You're you're your tour player. You're really good but normal guys like Travis and handicaps. I think trap Travis and I tell everybody that we're both around at ten. This is more like a seven. Travis is more like a seven. I'm I'm an honest ten. So what that means is if we both play and we're playing straight up. He's not giving each other strokes. Because it's kind of a grudge match so if we both play our best I'm GONNA lose Travis is probably going to shoot about seventy nine or eighty you what you do is you take you take like a normal golf courses. Par Seventy two. Where I seventy or seventy but average courses a seventy two. So if Travis is a seven that means if he plays to his handicap which means plays like he just seventy nine right and if I'm attend so if I play my handicap I'd be in eighty two now that's close. I mean like two or three shots. I got a shot but I probably need something weird to happen. Maybe Chris is giving me the weird because it really we play. We were tied at the at the last grudge match after nine holes and then travis just just boat race me on the back nine so he ended up shooting eighty one and I ended up shooting. Eighty five eighty eight four which is right around. What what I think will happen on Saturday unless something weird happens well. Why don't you just play better? Not An option. He plays worse than you play better. Why does it? Why do the handicaps even matter? You just need to have a good day or needs to have a bad day correct and in this case to answer your question. Don't matter because we're not doing stroke so I I need to play great but I think Travis needs to get rattled. So maybe of Chris's so mad at me and he's so hung up on these pre show calls did and you know Chris. He's he never drops anything. He's never going to let this go. It's going to be like day. Fifty six no John Ireland on the free show. Let it go dude. No he won't and and so what I imagine is after every hole. Chris will be like. Hey are you going to do it? You're going to do it and if I just don't talk to him knowledge them Travis will go what. What's wrong with Morales in Ireland? Because we have always gotten along until now this is a new rift. Yes so I'm hoping that maybe I can turn this to my advantage because Chris very much team Travis. He has won a screw travesty. He roots openly against me in this thing. Does he really? Oh Yeah. But that's Chris came from the morning show and back when we played the first time he was on the morning show team and all right the Dark Day. They call that the dark days of the morning. Show when Morales also days. But that's coming up on On Saturday maybe we should get travis on the show between now and Saturday. We absolutely sure. Because he's a bad ass on the air he is a he is gonNA come after you travel is gonNA come after you. Oh trump's don't trust great guy but but Chris won't let go. That's for sure now. Okay so there's a lot to get to today. You see Notre Dame is going to bring students back starting in August yeah. Ucla got a new athletic director. The baseball players are threatening not to come back and lets out their finances. Worked out right. There's a Lo- where do you WANNA start lot is we'll start with that and Lebron last night isn't an interesting? How mediaworks now. Layup any reporter. A lot of people are paid to cover the Lakers including Lakers dot com people in La Times people and German la people and we got people minimum is. We got one of the best ones working covering the team for us. So but when Lebron talks now he just goes through his own website. Yes it's a completely different world like in the old days somebody would have gotten Lebron. You should have been it would have been an exclusive. I've got Lebron or like Lee Jenkins Scott. Lebron that really that really years back if Lebron changed teams again. He doesn't know he did not on. What site yeah. So what? Last night Lebron went on uninterrupted with two of his friends. And just talked you ever like forty five minutes so here he is and by the way of course he watched the last dance like everybody else. Here is Lebron on the impact. That Jordan's first retirement had on him. The Michael Jordan was kind of like dead. God He was dead Angel From Heaven. That kinda use him to help me get through some of the darkest days that I had even a people say. Well you're only nine years. Oh you know. There's a lot of dark days when you grow up the way I grew up in you part single parent households so every other day if I get an opportunity on. Wgn watching my. It gave me a boost of life. It made me feel that I can make it out of the situation and when he decided to give it up after winning at third title. Worse Feeney's do I don't know what to do and I'm losing words right now thinking about it again. It's resurfacing me as a nine-year-old I'm like okay. Well Mike would do now. Who's going to be my inspiration? Autism is and yeah that first retirement Clearly now I John. I'll be honest when when Michael Jordan was at his peak you you were at Ucla. Weren't you know Jordan came into the League in eighty four I got out of? Ucla eighty five remember. Jordan spent seven years before he won a title before even made it to the fine. So you got to wait a minute. When did you get UCLA? Eighty-five eighty seven right. Two years were is one in sixty three hundred sixty five. Okay okay got it got it. That makes sense because I was in the middle of my drinking and drugging days at bowling green so a lot of a lot of the Jordan era was hayes like I remember watching games and I remember being amazed but until I said this documentary. I had forgotten just I. I was reminded of how much better he was than everybody else. And I had Lebron as the best player in the history of the game. Lebrons Lebron yes. And since then I have revised that position to be Michael Jordan. I would have Michael Jordan and Lebron number two. They're different players. Yes so I would have no problem with you. Making either argument. The thing that separates Jordan in my mind from everyone else it Michael Thompson would argue. The Kareem is the greatest player. Ever sure some people would argue bill. Russell is the greatest player ever but Jordan was six. Oh in the finals and all the other great players Cobi Magic Kareem all those guys had losses in the finals. If you if not only was Jordan six zero in the finals. Nobody even took him to a seventh game where I mean he he was just to me the ultimate winner and but Lebron. Here's the thing. I don't think Lebron gets enough credit for when the browns finished he's GonNa be top five all time in scoring probably the leading score in NBA history. And he's going to be top five in assists. So Lebron we've never seen the combination of scoring passing rebounding open. I I also could make the argument. That Lebron is the greatest open court player in history. Now he's not Jordan was a better defensive player than Lebron. But it's not like Lebron's bad on defense when so when people say like who's the greatest ever. I know people love to have those debates there. Of course let's have that debate. I say it's Michael Jordan there. Actually I well. I'm not gonNA tell you you're wrong but if you also if you have argued your old position if you would argue it's Lebron right I would. I would have told you that no one has ever. I mean you talked to any of the guys that have been around Michael Michael Thompson. He would tell you. There's never there's no comp for Lebron there's never been a player who controls the game the way Lebron does. He's he's six eight six nine depending on who you ask anyways. Two hundred fifty five two hundred and sixty pounds and he has no fat think about that. He's the size of basically an offensive lineman in the NFL and he has no fat. I mean come on but maybe someday they'll be a documentary. That will come along and twenty years. It'll make me say. Oh yeah you know because Allah forgotten the last dance and I'll say oh you know what? That documentary changed my mind. It is Lebron Research. That's going on but the documentary. Just teed Michael up in such a beautiful way that it's hard to make especially so quickly after the documentary. It's hard to make a case for anybody else. What I thought was interesting was Lebron. Never took that question on directly during his interview on the uninterrupted last night he chose to take a different way he talked about what it would have been like playing with. Michael Jordan Simone. How Great Mike was how transcended he was as a personality as a person draw and I know me personally the way out game. We're team I. I just feel I mop. The assets were perfectly in my mind as an assassin. Mike is an assassin. When it comes to the Planning Emma Basketball SWARNER THE WAY. He scored the ball. Pass Bobby to read the game. Plays plays a plays in advance and just take challenged by a love with a teammate. Come to me and challenge me. Tell me okay are. Mona are six. When I was in Miami waste six. Let's go Louisa. Challenge me allotment. Clean Label Art Brom. Listen which was waiting on that for Mike. Are Games which is a perfect correlation to be able to just be says the things that they would do? My other thing would have been a whole `nother level suburban a whole new level. You know be being that point forward alongside journals. Does Chicago rooms. So He's saying he would've been a Michael Jordan. Lebron combination would have been better than a Michael Jordan pippen combination. Do you agree I do. But I from Scottie. Pippen who I thought was a really good compliment to George L. Fantastic. He's absolutely right. I mean those two guys on the same team. I mean a few Lebron and Michael Jordan together you would have. I mean this Lebron and that Michael Jordan if you put them together on that would be the most dominant to in the history of the game. Well let's talk about that for a second k magic and Kareem who are arguably the best players in the league at the time when before Jordan came along and Kinda usurped him. A magic and Kareem went to eight finals together. You look at Kobe and Shaq. When Kobe and check got with Phil Jackson they went to four finals in five years. One three right so you know. I think they would be the best deal ever but those other jurors were pretty good too. They're pretty good. But I mean you're talking I mean at least on my list. You're talking about the greatest in the second greatest player in the history of the game on the same team. Forget it turn out the lights. Natural highlights I thought it was clever that he sidestepped the question of who is better. I don't know here's the thing I don't know if it words in the bronze mouth. But here's one thing. I've noticed about him. He and nobody believes me. When I say this Lebron would rather get an assist than a basket. He really would. So if we're going to score if me you and Lebron are on the same team right. Lebron would rather get credit for an assistant. Have you score than than himself? Good good rock with with? I mean it could be a perfect pet. I would screw that up. You would mace plant right there. But he's such a good passer that he might set you up right. But because of that his nature is like Kobe's nature and Jordan's nature was. GimMe the ball will find a way to score. Lebron is probably going to become the all time leading scorer in NBA history. So everybody assumes he's in that boat too but he's not he likes assists more than he likes baskets and again. Nobody believes. Do you believe me when I say that. Yeah I'm watching the assist numbers. He's leading the League in assists. Yeah Yeah I don't think there's any question about it at this point right. But he scored. He gets more baskets than assists in every game. But but it's only because that's what helps the team win. He right but I mean. Obviously he's leading the League in assists. He's gotTa love that I. I've only seen as lines. I've been watching basketball. I've only seen one person who's even in Michael Jordan's class as a passer. I mean I'm sorry the Brunch Pass on you. You know it is right. It's gotTa be magic. Yeah Magic. Johnson's best passer I've ever seen. Lebron is the only person who you could. You could come to me and say Hey Ireland Lebron's have better passer magic and make an argument and I might hear you out but magic in my book. Magic is the best passer I've ever seen. Lebron is second. And then there's a drop off between whether you want to go to John Stockton or Steve or Jason Kidd was very good passer or other guys but those two guys are are just unbelievable passers but because it happened on the uninterrupted John. Nobody ever asked. Lebron is Michael Jordan. The greatest player ever and I think had you asked if you ask the brand that he would have said right now. Yeah but I'm not finished or you know he would have found a way not to disrespect Jordan right all right coming up next for you. This doc rivers thing is just unbelievable but if you follow and I want to ask a question about the media including me and you we hear this from doc okay this is. It's GonNa be doc rivers talking about Donald Sterling and his relationship with white players fascinated. Two points qualification. Today Steve Kerr who was scheduled to be on the program today he he gave Lindsay an option he said. I'm superintendent time. I can do five minutes today or I can do. Fifteen minutes one day next week so we opted for the fifteen minutes next week. Yep So Steve. Kerr's coming on next week. And Lindsey is back highland. Yes I am back. Hey guys how's it going good? Glad to have you back and also three thirty today. Stephen a Smith is gonNA join us. Make sure you here for that Mason Ireland Seventeen. Espn okay and we will get to that stuff by the way with Horace Grant absolutely unloading on Michael Jordan in a radio interview in Chicago over his quote Unquote so-called documentary. The first there is a quits he series. If you don't know qube is it's this thing on your phone that you get like ten minutes shows and Blah Blah Blah and. There's one on Donald Sterling in the entire Sterling affair and the way everything went down and Doc rivers was asked to comment on that on NBA TV. Why don't you set this up? Jumped all right. So when Doc rivers got the Clipper Job. A lot of people were surprised. Wait a minute. He went from the Celtics where he won a title to be the coach of the clippers and work for Donald Sterling and reverse said. Yeah because he didn't want to go through a rebuild in Boston and when he got there he had heard all these legendary stories. About what a Nutjob Donald Sterling right? But he got sterling to give him complete control so he was going to be basically Gregg Popovich in charge of basketball operations and going to be the head coach and allowed to make all basketball decisions so one of the first decisions he made was he signed. Jj rettig a trade or a free agent signing. I can't remember but he agreed to Redican agreed to terms on a long term contract with ready to be a sharp shooter and he he'll pick up the story from there. He was on with Ernie Johnson. Ernie's been doing these long-form interviews that all really good and it and he tells a story about what happened after he made the deal for. Jj redick hit JJ agrees. I jump on a plane I fly backtra. Landau and I'd get a call from Andy. Rosen says hey deals all the deals are donald doesn't like white lawyers and excuse me Donald Sterling said. No I said well we've already agreed so island in the garage in the Orlando Airport. Earning a call from coach k. Whose UPSET BECAUSE OF JJ I get a call from JJ's agent. I think it was armed talent. Who Screaming at me. I get a call until I call down sterling this is. I want to say three weeks a month in the job and I'm not sure but right in that area me and data are having a conversation it made the Pat Reilly Conversation Meek and so by the very end of the conversation I quit. I said well I quit. You're not gonNA quit I quit. You're not gonNA quit. This is Donald Sterling on the phone. I said I will not let you ruin my reputation not going to happen. It will never happen and now goes in. Oh distrust me. I have this great reputation around the League and I was screaming. No no I have the reputation you don't. I will not coach another day. If this deal doesn't go through I hang up and I remember going home and telling Chris that I don't have a job and I caught lot. Cooper who was my agent and to. I said I think I'm fire or I think I quit. I'm not sure and then three hours later. I get a call from Andy Roser and says hey man deals done down. Donald's all that then say why didn't say anything just changed his mind and Matt Moment. I knew we were in trouble. I knew I was in. That is crazy. Donald Sterling doesn't like white players all right. So here's my question. We now know that Donald Sterling is a racist. It's it's well documented If you go back over any of the old cases of him as a landlord in La up on the way he treated Elgin Baylor and other people. I mean it was rare and Davis. There was the Baron Davis incident. It was right there. Yep We've been on the air you and I since one thousand nine hundred ninety four. We've had some great reporters covering basketball at the La Times at the Daily News at ESPN ESPN LA are are we guilty as media and I'm saying this collectively four not figuring this guy out sooner should should. We was all there in black and white. Yeah it's worse than not figuring it off. It's honestly and I've always. I've always believed this. We swept all under the rug. We ignored it and everybody in town. All I and I you know writers Radio People Television people on everybody ignored this behavior. Because we absolutely knew it. It was clear in the court records of the discrimination cases in his apartment buildings. It was it was true in incidents Like with With Baron Davis We all new stories. We all heard stories and we all knew that he was a flat-out stone cold racist and it was ignored. So but. Here's the thing. Do you think the reason was ignored? Like and this is a very candid conversation. We're having with the listeners. Who Normally don't let you guys behind the curtain on stuff like this. But to be candid the clippers equal no ratings. If talk about the clippers if you write about the clippers if you focus on anything clipper centric even now even know ratings. Yup So had one of US gone after Donald Sterling and said Hey guys there is an owner of an NBA sports team. That is a complete racist. And he's the way he's treating people particularly in the inner city and the way he's treating people of color that live in these apartments Somebody needs to expose this guy for who he is. What our ratings have gone up or down would the LA times circulation have gone up or down in other words. This is a long form way of asking. Would anyone have cared explosive? Story Ratings Readership. Everything would have to look what happened when it did blow and I mean what. Have Been Your Ramona's podcast. What if I told you? It's like one of the most successful podcasts in the history of ESPN had would any of it. Hap- have happened without the tape. It's the Ray rice scenario ray. Rice people forget ray rice after the quote unquote. Nfl investigation was suspended for two games. Two Games right when the tape came out so we could see him punch his wife in the face. Yup He never played another game when the tape came out is when Adam silver had the smoking gun is when he had evidence that he could use it. I don't know if we had any of that beforehand other than those court documents. They made him out to be just a complete slum Lord. Well here's I'm not a reporter talk show host. A reporter could have broken that story. A reporter had enough information. Going reporter could have broken an INEX- an explosive story on Donald Sterling. Well before we have the tape. Yeah I just no one did. We all knew we all knew. We all just ignored it. We just assumed it knew it and ignored it and it is. It is look because he was a he was a quote unquote powerful person. The story told everybody I know and remember. I worked for the clippers briefly. Everybody I know has a story like that about Donald Sterling. Anybody who worked even within five degree led to know you work. You worked for him. I knew he an incredibly weird dude. He was weird weird and I know. He said incredibly inappropriate things at parties. Yes but I don't know if you know if you go for him at that point and say hey listen to this appropriate thing sterling said and that's the only thing he is weird. You can't really wild. There's there's weird and then there's issues of race right when when they got him on tape saying those things and she gave him several chances to be out and he still didn't do it. That's what got him for sure. Hey listen we got stephen coming up here in a minute and he's got a big show on ABC tonight. So I don't want to interfere with his We don't want to interfere with his preparation because he's getting ready to do that. Show with Magic Johnson so Steven's coming up next for you. Mason and Ireland seven ten. Espn I'd seventeen. Espn Mason in Ireland. It is a big Tuesday afternoon And we're bringing you. The biggest names in sports and one of the biggest is Stephen a Smith. Who's getting ready to do a big primetime show on? Abc to talk about the last dance. He's going to be on with magic. Johnson and Steven joins US right now. Hey Steven how are you man? Y'All doing we're doing great stephen and thank you for doing this. I know you're you're you're need even work so we appreciate you making a few minutes for us. Let me just start this to you in and you can go anywhere you want your biggest takeaway from the last dance was what combination of two things Michael Jordan's Canada on camera. Which is not something that he usually does. Those who know him knows how he is off camera but not on camera and number two the reaction from his former teammates. The Craig Hodges Horace. Grant's the Scottie. Pippen's of the world How people have reacted to things. He has to say along with his former opponent. Isaiah Thomas You you Kinda get me. Because Michael Jordan spoke about things that he felt At the at that particular moment in time. And if you listen to God it's like he feels this way now like he's thinking this way right now you know and so if you call Scottie. Pippen selfish at the time. Well that was nineteen ninety-seven if you Had issues or you and Craig. Hodges didn't necessarily with one another that was in nineteen ninety to nineteen ninety three if you order nineteen ninety even if you are Horace Grant. Well Georgia had problems with you back in one thousand nine hundred three you were at the Olympic. He was at the Olympics. Part of the original Dream Team go Jackson usually has two a day practices But he leads. Scotty Pippin and Michael Jordan and half practices once a day because he was trying to save their legs because all the work they had done over the summer sh at Harvard's grant wasn't happy about that because he thought he should have been treated on the same level as those guys and he didn't like the fact that they appear to be a double standard to them compared to what it was called the people's so you just sit the you listen to some of these stories and if you've covered league which you have johnny you know A lot of these different stories. It's Kinda surprising that gosh hold onto it as if that's something that. Mj is feeling right now. As opposed to taken into account what he's chronicling based off of what happened twenty to twenty years ago so horace grant did a radio interview in Chicago. I don't know if you saw this yet or not. But he say about it he says Lila if Mj had a graduate me. Let's settle this like man. Let's talk about it or we can settle it another way. He's contending that he was not the source that leaked a bunch of information to Sam Smith for the famous Jordan. Rules Book Does Horace have a point? I guess he had the point. I don't know guys all I can tell you is that Michael Jordan doesn't believe he it Michael Jordan stands by what he said You know you're talking to me now. I spoke to Michael Jordan. Fifteen minutes ago East and Bob what he said in the documentary He's not backing off of it. One bit he saw what he felt. He says a lot of people knew that that was the situation. He firmly believed that that was the case. But it's no big deal. It is what it is You know he was just tell you a documentary series he was answering the questions about what had transpired at that particular moment in town with Jordan rules written by Sam Smith and all of this other stuff and he contends that Horace Grant was the one talking to Sam Smith and everybody knew as journalists like myself And you guys. We'RE NOT GONNA get in IT APP because I'm certainly not gonNA do anything to reveal. Sam Smith Sources. Whoever THEY MAY BE? I'm certainly not going to castigate him in any way. He's phenomenal job covering the NBA for years. And he's never revealed who is sources. Were so it is what it is but what. I will tell you that whatever Michael Jordan said in the documentary series all. He compete all he keeps reiterating to makes that. I told the truth. I told you what it is. Y'All can believe what the Hell y'all want. I just answered the questions that they asked me. I didn't lie to sugarcoat anything I gave it to you straight. That's what people wanted. That's what I gave. It is what it is. We're talking Stephen. A Smith who will be the host of a last dance postscript special that includes a ton of surprise guests at one of them is going to be Magic Johnson. So make sure you tune in for that Stephen A. I think you and I because we've been covering the league for so long already. Had her opinions like for example. I have great respect for Scotty. Pippin I think. Overall he's underrated especially defensively. I am Horace Grant. I like him a I think. Isaiah Thomas is one of the top. Three also found graveyards ever to play the game. So I'm their legacies are good with me but in your opinion did anyone or maybe I'll phrase it. This way did any. Who is the one person that pops in your head when I say? Did anyone get done wrong by the last dance? Well I think you could make a legitimate argument about two people Scottie Pippen and Jerry. Krause the former general manager of the Chicago Bulls who passed away in twenty seventeen congress. So Jerry. Krause deserve the criticism that he received. There's no doubt about that. You don't sit up and try to break up a championship squad. Bait remember according to the Doctor Series Jerry reinsdorf validated. This Jerry Krause wanted Phil going before the last day. He wanted him gone before that last year after the five panels either like we need to move in a different direction. But it was. Ron Stop and said no and then gave Phil Jackson one year. Deal at six million dollars. Okay so we understand that. How did he break up a team? We know that Jerry. Krause deserves to be excoriated for breaking up a championship team but in the same breath into to somebody and for Ryan soft to sit on camera and to allow us all to embrace this concept about it was krause krause krause as opposed to himself when he had the power to neutralize all of that anytime he pleased with utterly ridiculous especially when he ends the Docu series by saying he actually offered filled the opportunity to come back and fill had finally said no no no. I think it's time for a break. Well that was after. They wanted their six championship at that was after. The last dance was completed per se. It was after Jerry. Krause was on record. Tell Them Phil you know you can go. Eighty to annoy. You still will not. Be Coaching this team next season. This is your last Jerry. Rondo could put a stop to all of that before the season even began but he never did and so for me. I think that Jerry Reinsdorf deserves just as much if not more heat than Jerry. Krause in case the Scottie Pippen. Look here's my thing on one hand Scottie. Pippen brought this on himself. The reason why he himself you can talk about his refusal to go into the game with one point. Seven to one point eight seconds left you can talk about him postponing his surgery Heading into the last season that Fourth of Mickey I thirty five Games John. But here's what inescapable and I told Scott fitness you on the record quoted in the documentary saying I didn't want to F- up my summer school in the over. I said to hell with this item. WanNa F- up my summer so you delayed your surgery which forced you miss the first thirty five games. That's when you when you didn't enter the game. Tony Coach hit the game. Winning shots and being a Armstrong was talking about Steve. Kerr rather talked about how when Phil Jackson. Scotty was he got. He said knowing the Phil Set Apple. P. My is getting the gate. Okay Scotty pippin twenty. Three years later is on the record thing. I probably would have done it again. So it's not about what you did it's about your revisionist history and how you've been trying to revive it. You said this is what I did and I don't mind at all and I probably do it again. So it's not any did it is that he's saying that he's still saw nothing wrong with the twenty three years later and then the consideration that home you but in the end it should not negate the fact that this Guy Wanna top that he plays ever one of the greatest players and he's six times and he deserved more alkalies he actually received in the Docu series. I thought he could have been more celebrated. But that's about it. Stephen a There's a lot of debate. There has been a lot of debate in the last couple of days. Michael Jordan at one point in the documentary said if everybody would have come back on one year contracts. It might have worked. They may have all agreed to that. Had they all come back? Had that team returned for the next season. Do you think they would have won a seventh championship? I believe so and the reason I believe so is because the nine hundred ninety nine season one thousand nine hundred ninety nine the lockout shortened season and because it was a lockout short season. I think it was only like fifty games. Or what have you? It's not the traditional eight and to Combine that with the fact that the Knicks had knocked off the paces. The Knicks did it without Patrick. You'll remember that they had latrell. Sprewell and Allan Houston and Larry Johnson and Marcus. Camby was coming off the bench. Well guess what do you think that Michael Jordan Scottie to be enough? I believe they could and then when you went into the finals you went against a young San Antonio's first you had the AP Johnson's of the World Today Rob's Tim Duncan was rookie. Was absolutely wasn't working but he's absolutely spectacular. We get all of that but I do believe that. The bill Chicago Bulls in those guys were Jordan and Pippen and I definitely believe they would be in the Knicks That that did not have doing that particular year. I absolutely believe that they would have to seven. I don't think they would have wanted eight but I think they would have won seven year last special airs tonight on. Abc eight o'clock here in L. A. And across the country. What can you tell us about it? Well I mean I can tell you that on a personal level It's a unique experience for me because it's the first time that I've officially been named an executive producer on a project I've been part of a lot of projects as you. Well Know John. Throughout the years and obviously I do I take every day and my fingerprints are all over the show But you know from an official capacity. I never had the title of executive producer. I have that tonight at the. Abc Special Magic Johnson Anthony Anderson from black ISH shack. Whoopi Goldberg Robin Roberts. Along with myself I'm going to be doing the show host and the show and just visiting the last dance and from there takes from it and things of that nature so I'm excited about it and I'm excited about my first foray into network television because even though I've been at ESPN since two thousand and three I've only been on AB outside of a few appearances on. Good Morning. America I've never been on. Abc Live to hold anything. I was on one giving my NBA commentary but outside of that usually. It was just something taped the sports center and they carried it on. Abc or whatever. But this is the first time that I've done something for. Abc of this magnitude Shirley of with the opportunity to host. And obviously like I said the first time that I'm executive producing something officially so I'm excited about it. Congratulations Steve A. We will be watching and thanks a lot for coming on as always man. Thank you guys. Take Congressional Yeah. That'll be fun to watch shack and magic both going to be a part of that. Yeah so that's really cool for for the lectures by the way. Do you think Scottie Pippen came off. Good or bad in that doc in the last dance I think he came off. Good to are we are you and. I'm missing something you know. I think the game that he wouldn't go back in now. He is the one black mark that sticks out. But you know what I think. He redeemed himself. I view him as a guy who who was very very very underpaid given what he was bringing to that championship team and deserve better from the organization and I don't think that Jordan would have had the success that he had without Scottie. Pippen so I didn't think he came off badly except for that one moment honestly I kind of forgotten about. Here's the thing I don't understand too is that in. I don't know why I I think we're guilty thing. Everybody's guilty of it. That talks Basketball Scottie. Pippen was in elite. I mean my top ten all time shutdown defensive player yeah one of the main reasons the Bulls beat the Lakers in ninety. One is because Scotty decided to take magic constant and just took him out of his game so was Rodman so was Jordan. They had three elite defensive players Mace. You're on defense your team pick your own to you and I are Laker fans. Yeah whatever team you root for. Your team is on defense literally fifty percent of the time half the time. You're on defense yet. I don't think people give give players much credit if any credit at all for that. Did you ever hear about like Scotty? Pippin elite defender of all time. No it's almost throwaways and yeah yeah it is it is. That's that's what jumped out of me and say. Yeah I I don't I don't he didn't come off like a villain in any way. I don't he he's unhappy. A lot of people are saying that he got. There's a debate going on twitter. That Scottie Pippen get done wrong by the last dance. I think more of pin after watching that not less. Yeah I do too I do too. I don't quite get that all right coming up next for it. By the way top of the hour we ever hear back from our friends. Scott Boris we did he tomorrow at four o'clock okay. Good good 'cause we will talk about all the new the sixty seven page baseball regulate and we will talk about the fact that the players are being. App Salute Stupid Right now. Well I'm stubborn. We'll debate whether it's stupid but they're being stubborn. They're being stubborn okay. I'll call it stupid. You call it stubborn and remember. I'm the big baseball fan here. we'll talk about that But let's get into the horace grant stuff next. We've got horace grant's criticism of the Michael Jordan documentary from. Espn one thousand. He didn't interview just a little while ago. And we'll play that for you next then. Top of the Hour. We're going to get to the players. And they're either stubbornness or stupidity depending on your point of view in their inability to come to terms on a financial agreement for the game to come back in July Mason Ireland seven. Espn yeah so it is a busy day. Thanks Steven A. For Join US there. So Horace Grant. I mentioned it with Steven A. Horace Grant went onto. Espn one thousand today. And he is among the people who is very unhappy with the Michael Jordan Documentary. The last dance. And we've got some some sound from that right now. Horace Grant of course during the documentary Michael Jordan claimed that Horace Grant was the main source of information for the famous Jordan Rules Book Written by Sam Smith and he is denying now saying that he was not that guy. I actually do not have a link to our sound page right now But why don't you T- that up? That is a downright outright. Completely Lot lied lied lot and had rudge with me necessarily like man. There's talking about it or we get another way but yet and still he goes out and put this lie out that I wasn't forced by Sam and I have always been retrained school. Rapes me but the thing is the of the locker room. I would never put anything personal out there. The mere fact that Sam Smith Was a investigator reporter that he had to have two sources to to To to write a book I get. Why would engage this point me out? I mean the only man I hear. He is on the story of Michael Jordan telling flight attendant a flight attendant Not to serve grant dinner because he had a bad game. Anybody I mean I love. Try The food away. I'M GONNA do my best to be could to give the heartbe. Yes yes. It's true that he told the flight attendant will don't give him anything. He played like crap and I went right back here. I had some some some choice words that I won't repeat on here but I hear some choice words and it up. If you want it you come and get it and of course you know. He didn't move just barking. He got his dinner on that flight. So you WANNA play anymore. Because there's there's some good stuff here here. He is just generally thoughts on the last dance. I would say you in attaining but you know we know who their email. That night was I Dunno I can be right In terms of The the real miss of it you know as I stated The other day no it was. It wasn't real Because of a lot of things that some of his teammates that He's t made went back at it. All of that was Kinda edited out a documentary. Call the documentary. If you want to call it a documentary. He says okay. So I know horace grant a little bit. Yeah he played of. If you take the Lakers five championships in this century remember. They went three in a row. Two thousand two thousand one two thousand two. Then they won in nine and coby was on all five teams. The Best of those five was the two thousand one team. That was the team that went fifteen in one in the postseason. The only game they lost was when Iverson went off in game one of the NBA finals. Horace Grant was the starting power forward on that. Two Thousand and one Lakers championship team. He is a great guy not not good. Great Guy I mean. I don't know anybody who doesn't think the world of Horace. I think that Michael Jordan told his version of events correct away. He remembered them. And if horace the you know and again I know him a little bit. If Horace came back and refuted a lot of it. I'm actually siding with horace fluently. I think I believe everything you just played from Horace Grant No. Here's thing John. You and I tell stories all the time and over a period of time stories. Let's say they get I. Call it a heightened version of reality. They get embellish right and and so we tell stories all the time and sometimes maybe you know it didn't quite happen that way and I think that you get you. Get a story in your head and you start balancing it. And and this is Jordan's version of events. It's not an outsider reporting on Jordan. So I tend to believe that Michael Jordan may have embellished. Some of this may have harbored may have suspected. Horace Grant was the source for Sam Smith. And it's very possible that horace grant was not at all the source so it is Michael Jordan's version of events. It is his truth. John No grant telling his true. I believe that Horace Grant is telling the truth the truth there is only one truth. And you know what's interesting to come in? This is how Michael could assume. Horace was a source for Sam Smith. So Yeah I've I've covered locker rooms for twenty years. There are certain players that are great with the media there to guys for us after the Games you guys like Rick Fox and Derek Fisher and ro Robert Ory. Kobe was very good. Shack was good. There are other guys. Want nothing to do with the media and they look at the media as the enemy. Horace was a good guy like if you needed somebody to talk about a win loss or whatever you could go to horace and get a comment. I think what happened was Jordan looked over saw Sam Smith talking to horace and just assume that. Oh he there buddy buddy horizontal everything for the book when Horace. Pry didn't tell him anything for them. Yeah Yeah exactly. There were French. Didn't mean leaked now. Let me ask you. A question has nothing to do with this tag. Are Your baseball players. Your favorite sport these players going to cut off their nose to spite their face and screw up our whole season. I will tell you next Mason Ireland seven ten ESPN.

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REShow: Rich Lerner. Hour 3 (06-11-20)

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REShow: Rich Lerner. Hour 3 (06-11-20)

"Thank you for listening to this podcast. One production now available on Apple podcasts podcast one spotify and anywhere else you get your podcasts. This is the rich Eisen show. Live from the Rich Eisen show studio in Los Angeles. Everybody current download and podcast at richeisenshow DOT com. You know what I am knowledgeable sage and Also the host of the Sharon is and show right now. Earlier on the show Yahu sports columnist Dan Wetzel Atlanta Hawks head coach Lloyd. Peers Carolina Panthers head coach Matt Rule, coming up golf channel host rich lerner and now. You're rich is. Okay everybody our final hour right here. It's back us just us again here on our youtube stream youtubecom slash rich Eisen show. We're pleased to be here with you, And Rich Lerner the golf channel going to be joining us from Charles Schwab Challenge. It's not the Charles Schwab challenge according to the PGA. He's joining us from Fort Worth Texas is golf is back. and just a couple of people have been waiting for a while on our phone lines I. WanNa get to them and I want to check on our poll question and boy howdy. Is there some housekeeping from yesterday show Oh boy howdy. Put a pin in that. Put a pin and I don't want either of you going on your social media and I know Chris you do it for Work Mike. You do it because whatever I talk about or I talk about with Chris. You sometimes check out on. and Go and do some facebook and Doug. The plugging stuff like that love dug up. I understand that you may not. Kill on. Do Don't you dare? Close Out, don't don't don't because there is some serious. Do not go. Do not go on social media off. Some serious or off instigating and housekeeping from yesterday's poll question. To hit. Don't you dare? Look all right. Let's go to the phone lines at eight, four, four, two, zero, four rich, some gentleman have been waiting for quite some time. Let's go to trey in Richmond Virginia Gear on the rich. Eisen show has been calling and hanging on for well over an hour on eight, four, four, two, four rich. What's up, sir? All he's on their. Put back got hold on. Hold on hold. Let's go to Ryan in Portland Oregon what's up? To. Line to? That, too. What's Up Ryan? What's on your mind? Good talk you don't. A. Herbertson. So I was just going to in York Jew the driver that had withdrawn from the campaign racist Ereli, the NASCAR trae young early. In the Third League of which I'd the sponsor now. Is that the US? It's very low tier, and he has a career record of a Owen thirty two and never placed in a pole position. So, subsequently, it seems that he has never been good at race related activity. And I think it's. Really benefit that he's. We did out because everyone keeps speaking in terms of I. Don't WanNa get too deeply than political. And Social Justice Spectrum as a white man like yourself However weeding out the bad apples keeps being a mantra, and it's being going around and if he's weeded out because he's too offended I. Don't think anyone's GonNa. Miss Him and NASCAR. Well I, you know what again he is giving voice to it. A lot of fans believe you obviously don't believe it. I don't. And even though he may I don't know if you were being coy when you said he's not good at race related activities. An intentional, okay, and I picked up on it and So you know Be that as it may and he may be insignificant in terms of race related activities as actually behind the wheel of a truck. I would be stunned if his name is in well known by a ton of people or his name does not show up on political twitter feeds by the end of the day. I would be absolutely stunned. that. The Pundit and avoid give. Some sort of relevance, but released partaking in three races total in the past three years so. Three note, I understand what you're saying. No, but as I said and thank you for the call is Dan. Wetzel said in the first hour of the show he does. Personify what a ton of FANS OF NASCAR field and once fans are let back in. Let's just say they go for the rest of this. NASCAR SEASON WITH NO FANS. and. Just like every everybody else that we're expecting, knock on wood that we are allowed to see. Events in person or we all feel safe. Seeing events in person by when next. Let's say the next Daytona five hundred right? That's fair. There'd be great super bowl. While I'm talking about NASCAR her. And it will have been months since this conversation had happened, and it may not be on the political anymore. But when fans return always eight, this is going to be significant. This is going to last a long time and and racist earlier just given voice to that. Let's see if we can get a tray. In Richmond Virginia back trae there. Yes, I am the phone on mute. It's all good man we're. We're we're. We're always mindful of people. When they don't answer the bell. The first time we'll give them one extra shot. Then, if not, then del Tufo will immediately excise from future programs. We that much appreciate it man well. What I wanted to do is give you kind of an analogy. I'm I I live in Richmond. Virginia which was known as the capital confederacy longtime ago, and we have a lot of confederate statues and things like that. Stand It's just it just reminds me of like you know. say at the end of world, War Two. you know after you know after the Nazis lost in everything, but instead of you know. This rating everything to do with they. Instead race statues to leaders of Nazi knock section, and and you know. They said it was okay to waive that Nazi flag in. Light of heritage. Not Hey, you know what I'm saying. I mean I i. mean and I hope I'm not offending you with this because I I feel like. Maybe that's the closest analogy. Maybe just that someone would understand what how we feel about. The flag and I'm sorry I am an African American male. Right now, okay, but but I feel that's a pretty good analogy of of the way. We kind of feel about that flag. Well and I appreciate you chiming and you're not offending me at all when and I totally understand that you're trying to put it. In perspective of a symbol of that is associated with H, and and mayhem, and I appreciate you saying that. Thank you for the call trick. Pre sure thank you. Let's That's trae in. In Richmond Virginia. I appreciate to getting those guys on the phone. They've been hanging out for a while is going to be calling in from an actual live sporting event. How about them, apples? That's GONNA be coming up soon. Christopher our poll question yesterday. Yup was a poll question. Yesterday yesterday was the thirteen th anniversary of the Sopranos Finale wrecked, so we just kind of threw out there. Do you think Tony got killed in the final scene by the members? Only jacket, Guy, correct and and and what did I say? you said yes, you believe Tony did get. He said no crap. I kind of think, no, okay and I said it was a no brainer open and shut situation, and so many other people were like you know what? The David Chase was just. Leaving it wide open just for your own interpretation right right okay. And I interpreted one way you knew interpreted another way I asked JAP Italian actual bona fide lead pipe, wielding professional director screenwriter. Producer, what he thought and he he was talking about the art of it all and I said to none of this as a sports talk radio show, and you must give me an answer. There's no nuance there's no gray. It's either. It's either one or the other. And, he said he's dead. Which is what I thought? Why else would there be six to eight? How long? How many seconds six? Would there be that many seconds. Well. According to the Independent. Is a publication. They have an interview that has been leaked. The interview was conducted by two of the biggest pop culture people that's out there Matt Zoller Zeitz and Alan Seven. Wall, we've heard of both of them. Okay? Yeah, they have a book day of wrote the Soprano sessions. With David Chase. Did this interview, David. Chase sees the guy. wrote it directed. It gotta read the whole thing. I know where you're going Yep Yep Yep Yep now, you said he's still alive Tony Right. Yeah, okay, and I said No. There's no question. He's dead. And why else with David Chase do what he did? So. The question. was placed to David Chase. About whether the mob boss gets whacked, had been left up at the air okay. And David Shea said basically. That there was an endpoint egos. You don't mean Tony at Halston. You just met I think I have two more years. Worth of stories left in me. Says Sepah all right? Chase answered immediately. Yes, I, think I had that death scene around two years before the end Tony was getting a call to a meeting with Jonny sack in Manhattan, and he was going to go back through the Lincoln Tunnel for this meeting and he was, it was going to go black there and you never saw him again as he was heading back the theory beating. That something bad happens to him at the meeting, but we didn't do that. Zoeller sites instantly highlighted. Clip this slip quote. You realize of course that you just referred to that as a death scene. Chase answered quote on quote on quote it directly, but the quote is half, you guys. and. They didn't do it phone drop. No, he didn't do. It. Reminds quote does not say calving Mike. He referred to it as the death scene. The deaths nope not to a third to the final scene of the Sopranos. As the death scene, I mean you can read the rest of the art he can read. The rest of the next line of the article says it's important to note that chase does well to ensure that the ensuing exchange ends up leaving Tony's fate in the air. Exactly right right right right right? Let me ask you a question. Okay, Great. Let me. Let me let me ask you a question here. Have you ever worked in a supermarket before? I did I worked at target. Okay, so have you ever cleaned up on an aisle? idler I have as. We don't cleaning up looks like. Have you ever tried to hide something from somebody and you're called out on it. You don't have your child isn't done yet. Okay you're you're you're CIA hasn't done yet. Your child is too young. Child is too young. But your child's GonNa. Call you out on something. And you may not have the same actual. Verbal reaction is David Chase. But YOU'RE GONNA. You mattress. Say the same thing. What do you say to a friend? When you're trying to hide something, not reveal a secret, and then you let something slip in the friend goes. You realize you just let it slip. What's your reaction? You say what David Chase said. No, he's mad because there insinuating that no, no, he's mad, not the other way he's. This is not this a different version of interpreting what he lack six to eight seconds. He saying we came up with a scene with death scene that. We use, but he referred to a different seem that they did use as the death scene. We came up with the death scene, but you see if he was going to meet Jonny sack and original one then I might agree with you. He didn't do that, says do that. Yeah, he says I. Think I had that deaths? meaning that was one of the tunnel seen, and that was going to be a death scene that he didn't ended up not using IT I. we're not digging the L.. You're taking the loss David Cheo. David Chase says quote on quote. Yes I think I had that death scene around two years before the end that death see death. Tunnel meeting the tunnel me after. Yes, I get that one yet, but the second one is set up when you said there was an endpoint. You don't mean Tony at whole since you just. Have Two more years. Worth stories left when me and he goes. Yes I think I had that death scene around two years before the end. You're emphasizing the wrong word now. He's emphasizing deaths. You need to emphasize that. I think I had that death seen around two years before Broadway got it. Open and shut yes. Alternative today. This is incontrovertible evidence, look. About that. I read. There's three of them after you guys not like come on, guys. I said that death scene, referring to the sack that didn't use. He's not f. you guys like Oh. You just got me. He could've. You guys. You think the F-. You guys is like you can't me correct? Close like F, You Guys I. Don I'm done with this conversation discussing. With Brockman. That's how I read that I read that. Talk until we hear the telephone number now. We'll never know the is now. I know one of these two guys tomorrow he is. Don't lie booking one of these two guys. I want we're GONNA. We're GONNA. Talk Inflection. We're going to talk of that I. WanNa see setup. We're GONNA. Talk about all these guys are available these. I think we've had Matt Yeah I. Think we did we've had Matt Zoller Sites on the show before I think over's. Pop Culture. That names very fast. I I know that we're we're done with this I. Don't even want to book these guys because I'm so sure of it, but just. Go to oaks we we think they're on your side. Based on what we've already read well, they could easily say what used. You can posit your theory because you're trying to read into this in the same way that I look at the picture of Rudy and. You can't actual picture. That's a really happening. That's the difference spreads when he's carrying off. It's not one you always have this photograph. Right. That's a that's on the desktop. The other thing is though you need to let me write the question for you. Because I've been a long time. We know you are really good at leading the witness. To dynamite authors with diamonds for brain third, they're they're not going to sit here and do anything except answer the question as it's asked exactly. Aso You. Need you need to ask it in the manner in which it's objective you. Say, Brockman. Chase gave up the secret. How did he tell you to go F- All goes. Yes, that's his opinion. Okay well, that's it those fifteen words. It's all you're allowed to say. No. It's not I'm Hosa. Because again you lead the witness. They might not even come on because this is a leaked interview from from there. Their book it's all over now. It's all over the news now. Let's see why against got leaked got leagues. We talked about our on yesterday. Show, we talked about the and we talked about any thirteen year anniversary of of of the Mo-, Mom with I think all of a sudden. This comes out today. and IT APP so lutely backs up my play. Period. That's how you interact. With it, because you already have that opinion to have that opinion as the deaf seen no, no. That seeing that they didn't you, yes. They didn't use why I'll give you. Because he didn't. Rich learners busy right now. I read a script for Godfather. Part three where Michael Corleone was going to get shot in the church at the spoiler alert. Oh. They did not do that. If France. Coppola was interviewed and said in that scene where he was going to get shot. It's different and I get the that goes to black in both of the things. Rochman. Shark Tank del Tufo showed up. He's not helping your Miami. None of that helped. Set. Just help them like literally I feel like I'm Kevin O'Leary telling. The call was mother. It's van on a second. Hold on a second. He comes up with a scene. It's not the woman heirs right Yep! He comes up with a death scene. Two years earlier years earlier. Two years in advance of the thirteen year anniversary of last night. Yes, he says he came up with a death scene. To show. Yes, he had two more years left of writing some two years earlier. He came up with a death scene that he goes to see Jonny sack in Manhattan. And it goes black in the Lincoln tunnel to show. Something bad happened to him. That's the theory what here. That's the death scene. You say he's referring to let me just give you that. Let's give you that that he's not referring to what aired on. The. Sopranos Thirteen years ago last. Let's just say he's referring to the scene that he did not use as the death scene. Correct he's referring to this seen. As something bad happened to him. Because, the screen went to black. It happened in the Lincoln tunnel after he had a meeting that went south with Jonny sack in Manhattan. But The scene that was the death scene ended with a whole bunch of black. Reading something bad happened him so remove the Jonny sack removed the location of the Lincoln tunnel, portraying instead of Jonny sack members, only jacket guy, and put it instead of Lincoln tunnel the diner. The going to black still in David Chase's. Construct. Meant something bad happen to him meaning death scene. Excuse me two years earlier. Maybe he chooses may step down. Maybe changed his mind. He changed his mom like I said you know. The off. Earlier Black Man's but in. Black Man. You interpret it. And he got he. Wendy's like you know you referred to what we saw on the air and the diner is death scene. He Goes F.. You guys meaning like what you say to your friends. Get Out of here. No I'm. I'm just got me. I. Took that as do that to me, but you know. Keep this a secret I. respect you. You respect me. Respect my work. You're writing a book on it. You guys. That's what this means I think. A. Few guys is I've been having the answer this question for ten years. I'm sick of it as you guys like I'm over this. I'm leaving like you interpreted. I didn't give anything away. Eight, four, four, two four rich. Somebody saved me here. How do you not? Take what I've just said as. Gospel. Not, you're saying because I've said it. Rich I interpreted what you just said. As meaning I should take what you say is Gospel Yeah. I know everyone in the four four enjoy one. Below? Did yes, I can't believe I've word slipped out of my mouth. Is Rich Lerner out there. DOES HE EXIST JIM? I guys give it seeing if he's out there to give a call. Adam Stein and in the meantime here. It's The fiftieth anniversary of the passing Billy Batts yes from Goodfellas, the real billy bad last the. Keeping an all agree on. There's no gray area in Goodfellas. No, not at. All Time, although the one gray area of Goodfellas there's one gray area. That has been discussed. Oh? It's not on the level of this. When Tommy Deniro? Tells Karen. Yes, go for the dress Jimmy Jimmy. Jimmy says the Deniro tells cairngorm address. Kency is, are they gonNA make a going to get. She's like I. Don't need the dress. She's getting Nice I was kind of a gray area, don't you? Don't you don't really the conversation? Yeah, but you think so right, you think. That one I don't know Those guys looked like they were waiting for. You know it's like. What are you sending? You're sending a message to. Killing his wife ruining except the two guys now. Thinks. She could talk that's. Just talk. That's a hit. Those guys were in their lurking around now. That's a hit. I think she's she's gone. She walks in that door. I bill in Florida. Let's take his phone. Call. What's up? I'm voting in favor of rich because Seem went to went to black and there was a premonition in the lake scene with with brother-in-law. They were talking about what it would look like when it's all over, it did it goes black, so he was killed in the final thing. That you bill bill. You sound like a very reasonable individual I gotta be honest with you. That, you. It's simple simple here. Two years ago I came up with a death scene. It ended in black indicate that something bad happened to Tony. Remove the fact that he didn't use Jonny sack. He didn't use the Lincoln tunnel. Maybe you don't. Use the Lincoln tunnel. They couldn't get it that day. Couldn't get it that day or was just too much of a hassle. Shutdown a frigging Lincoln tunnel to shoot it in there so what we're. GonNa do is we're just GONNA. Use this diner that we can control. And we'll go to black and lead the same. issue. Does he die or not? Where referring to this as the death scene? Geyser take the L I took so many losses in in succession last week. From Rudy being more factual than hoosiers. To my favorite sports movie. Don. Why do you always have this photograph to literally I. Don I love vote. Continue your screen. Set your desktop or your streets at Rudy's more factual that the director of both films that Rudy's way more factual than hoosiers is a matter of fact, hoosiers is almost completely made up. Marshawn Lynch is getting my ball. The LOSS! I took that Gene Hackman himself coach. Dale himself thought the movie sucked. It that movie was great. I will never look at that montage scenic accent. Dennis Hopper's laughing. And you're thinking debt. David Og- directors like Dennis Act like you're all happy, because things are all Hunky Dory with Hickory, and you're you're coming back. And your story is you're not. You're being sober again. Right and instead he's laughing. According to David, onslow, getting it from Dennis Hopper shortly before hopper's death. That hopper was laughing to an off handed. Comment that Gene Hackman's. that. They will never work again after this movies out. That same article you quoted you as a little further down, said waiter in the book David Chase added. The point was is that he could have been whacked in the diner. We all could have been whacked. The point of the Oh there. You go fine. He just facts facts heave your mind sometimes. I'm just here to film. It all right, thank you. Chris let me just say this and then we can. Move to rich lerner. Why believe on the phone line okay? He is invested. In having this. Be The question mark forever. For of course all right until he wants to like, maybe leave some sort of certainty at some point, he knows what happened. He. Doesn't WanNa review what happened. He inadvertently revealed what happened and cursed at the guys. Who pointed it out to him. It's that simple. And we're going to try and get one of those two guys on tomorrow's show. Now then. Do you own or rent your home. Sure you do and I bet it can be hard work. You know what's easy. Bundling policies with GEICO GEICO makes it easy to bundle your homeowner's or renter's insurance along with your auto policy. 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No, no okay, so rich What what are you hearing about? What's going on on the grounds there in terms of the players getting out there and protocols and things of that nature. What are you hearing about all good so far? No one tested positive all the caddies in the players, and now it's just about protecting this bubble and they're going to try to get. Advanced this bubble from Texas where. Corona cases are spiking to south. Where Corona, cases are also up going to do it. By charter plane to the players not only tested when they arrive on the grounds. Monday Tuesday Wednesday of the tournament. There also tested on the way out, and they will have to tested negative to get on that charter plane and go to the next stop, so it's fort. Worth to south. Carolina Hilton head. We think tiger may play there, and it's Hartford Connecticut, and then Detroit, and then Ohio so so far so good the place excellent. Conditions. You're good It doesn't look like you know. Players were sitting idly the last three months. Okay, so let's Let's unpack this. wanted a time here. What do you say charter flight you saying? All the players get on the same plane so what you're saying? They they can sign up for the charter where they can fly privately and obviously in today's world as lucrative as the prize money is quite a few players will travel privately but again don't be tested on the way out of town to get on that charter, but then even if they fly private, they'll be tested again when they get back to just stop. Do. We know what tests are being used. it my understanding it to a nasal swab and you know. The results are turned around very quickly. and I think that's That's the key every. Sports League has said that it's testing testing testing, and then from there social distancing so you're seeing some your caddies or wiping down flagstick and bunker rakes and things like that hand sanitizers on the golf, course and obviously no fans until we get to memorial about a month from now that's Nicholas, his tournament and even there there will be a limited number of fan No fantasy is obviously bizarre. I think you'll you'll feel. See that more acutely on Sunday afternoon. there won't be that sort of pulsating energy that drives sporting event in the latter stages, but for now. If you watch it on, TV doesn't look that much different than than any other. You know Thursday in in normal times I gotta tell you rich I mean I. Didn't you know I was still? Again, we're so Jonesing for for live sports action anyway, the the. Tiger Phil Brady. Payton event had no fans and I know that that was kind of like a one off, and it's four absurdly. Showing off their competitive spirit. And Fund Spirit together, and it was amazing being a fly on that wall, but I didn't miss the the the fans I mean you know. I was still into the competition and then, and then before that what was on you know, the NBC family of Networks you know when mcelroy hit closest to the pin. I would still locked in. You know that sort of stuff you. Know, fans is is better than no golf at all. And as you said, we're all sort of Jonesing for live sports action, I mean I think last week I watched a rerun of the nineteen ninety-two world's strongest man competition, and oddly I was oddly compelling. Watching og spindle Lou pulled an apartment building a full city block in Helsinki. I hit a new low when the ninety two world's strongest man. So, it's rich. Lerner. Tell you when I was on Sports Center when I first started on sportscenter doing those two thirty in the Morning Sport Center's. What kept me awake. What kept me? OP and full of spirit verve, and while there's maybe one sporting event last was espn two showing world's strongest man, and the fact that you did not use I. I don't even know if that's a real name that the might have just pulled that one. Make it sound like it's a world's strongest man doesn't matter but magnus. Ver Magnusson was a real man, and and by that I mean like actual man, and he was all man, and and and just watching him. Large round stones all over the place got me through the night. I'll be very honest. The rich had helped me answer the bell of the Sports. Center in the middle of the night were. On a leaderboard board at the British open back in nineteen, eighty could've been out because there's there's always some obscure Scandinavian on your. Show. On the on the opening day look real it's it's nice to have it by guy. They did A. Very appropriate and and and powerful a moment of silence at eight forty six local wine warning. The significance of of Eight, four six, now with respect to what tragically happened to George -ployed, and I think that's you know certainly you know a team that's running through sports now and and I would hope going forward I think we liked sports. Because it's it's an escape, right and we men do we need? We need a little mental wellbeing right now. Because the country has not been well, we all need a little bit of an escape, but by the same token I think we all agree We can't run away from from these issues that they you know they. They need to be dealt with and I. Think athletes is as. Much power as and currency is, they have in today's society. You know have a real chance to to lead on this, you know. We saw Lebron as decided to voting rights. So you know golf has never? Been A leader in terms of inclusivity I would say probably the same for mass car, but I think you know with what's happening there on the confederate flag and I think everybody's had a reckoning I. think everybody's ready to to really and truly deal with it I. I I certainly hope so me too me too rich, and then in terms of you know. Obviously, you're talking about civil strife in in race relations on top of pandemic. And people trying to make ends meet you know you know getting sports back. As is any form of a of a distraction for sure so again on the covert nineteen front out of Scott, says I'm staying, put He's not coming into the country from where he is and. What are you hearing about? Other players maybe joining in and when what they need to see. Certainly obviously, everybody shown up to the first test and negativity is is a good is a good start. Right I think some of the international players Lee Westwood Tommy fleetwood from mainland Adam Scott from. Australia I think are waiting to see how the first few play out, and then they'll. Likely get on an airplane. And come over here and and and get going. I mean I i. think it's secondary. The race to the fedexcup obviously these guys are making a living, and they're only eleven. Events between now and the start of the playoffs so so i. if guys want a piece of that Pie, and it's a big Pie, they they have to get going now and So. Yeah, it's a brand new world out there. It's You know three months shut down. This is the longest shutdown since world. War Two and you know. I think you know typically are one thing America. I mean to get to political. You know we're struggling to do things now, right? We're we're. We're struggling to get. Healthy were struggling with elections. We're we're struggling to get stuff done. but America has always done sports really well. I mean. We do big games big events big golf tournaments that. Like nobody's business and we love it and so yeah I. Think this can be I think this can be really good for everyone as as as long as as it's done properly. There's a lot of pressure on the PGA tour right now to get this thing right and you know I mean we I think we sometimes forget that we're I. don't even know for out of. Phase one of the. Pandemic or for face to other words, it's not gone away and according to the experts is not going away anytime soon, so we all want. We all want to get some of this back and I think we need to get back to work in safest and best possible way, but but there's pressure to get this right. You know and I guess to bring it all full circle and put a button on it rich. Will you know we just not GonNa? Take things for granted anymore. Just not GonNa take sports for granted anymore, and and whatever we can use to complain vehemently about. Maybe we'll be a little bit more Chill about you know. When it comes to sports and I guess we'll. We'll know that for sure if If at any point, certainly this weekend, Brooks Koepka standing in the middle of the fairway, looking at Bryson to Shambo, take his nineteenth look at a two foot. PUTT needs to take all the time. We want crew then we'll know that rich right by the way to do see how Bryson bulked up. He's he's meeting the tour now in driving distance out on. It looks to be twenty five thirty pounds. In the last I, don't know six months or so. He's driving it so far and it's it's working You had a good round today and kept a by the way. Has the Burt Reynolds Nicely mustache working. Cintas he's on a cannonball run. So you think rich that that the Shambo bulking up to take Kepco on like. Do you think maybe he's like you know? He's had enough of here from Brooks that he's. Like he's I. If it feels like a triple h against stone, cold Steve Off. lack maybe a ladder match between Bryson and. Yeah okay? W great like we'll know again. It's just like A. I'm just glad to have golf back Bryson. You take your time I'll just be right here. I'll just chill out no problem. You? Know that'll be great. Pricing doesn't get after it He he takes. He takes his good old time and I will say this in Golf. The only way you can get away with being a slow player is to win. They always said of Nicholas. Nicholas was slow. They said he's delivered. Yes, that's right. That's right and and even tiger. On occasion has taken his sweet time, but there's something about a great player taking his time, and it builds the drama you know like what if you go back to the you? Probably the most often replayed putting golf history as the better than most putt tiger woods at the players would have about almost twenty years ago. The one seventeen that at you know broke for different ways key looked at that putt from nine different angles. But it was a window into into however long that took two minutes. was a really fascinating. Study of Tiger and the way he puts the puzzle together on a golf course, but but most very fewer afforded that that luxury is taking that kind of time, and not being ripped for it because we all hate slow play It's drives. You nuts well rich appreciate the slow play fast play I'm just glad that there is play and I appreciate you calling in. Let's chat soon. and. One of the few talk shows where I can use the word fits and know that it's going to be well received you saved. You should have looked at the face of my sound engineer. Mike del Tufo. We thought that I needed to bleep. That out I'm like? No, he's just talking about sweating. His face. Thanks for the call rich. Lerner It's funny, says that that slow players when they win or deliberate. coaches who are lenient. Our players coach when they win. When, they lose lack of discipline, lost the lot lost the locker room, but when they went as a players coach, he knows how to handle the players like Mike Right now the one another another one is a somebody who is left handed his crafty. There's no crafty right. handers aren't never. PODCAST ONE DOT COM is our home for getting our podcast and our friends at podcast one want me to let everybody know, and we appreciate gyco being one of our sponsors of the rich Eisen. Show that they've got to give back for you to thank you for you. Sharing here's the GEICO back. A fifteen percent credit on car and motorcycle policies for carton new customers because GEICO's committed for the long haul. The fifteen percent credit lasts your full policy term. Visit GEIKO DOT com slash giveback for INFO and eligibility GEICO DOT com slash give back. Let's go to our geico Fan Phone Line Seth in Florida, a four five four calling in from our Youtube wormhole. How are you bud? Hey. Rich good afternoon! Thanks for taking my call. And thanks for being out there in our youtube stream sir. Absolutely representing the four or five floor every day, boy, what's on your mind? Just. Quick out to two full Brockman, and T J of course. I appreciate the. Out to TJ because TJ monitoring the wormhole on occasion, we can hear him. Occasionally laughing with. And then seething. Anywhere in between right am correct correct. You could tell pj what did teach working, so we appreciate. TJ monitoring the worm hole every day. So what's on your mind? Just wanted to comment about a good fellas at that scene. At the end you guys were talking about. Yes, where Jimmy Karen some money, and then he tells her to go. Get dresses down that a little rally correct. And I think something was going to happen. I think you don't know when you really watch the movie, but you know if you notice, he doesn't follow her. He stands and watch from a distance. No. You Go. That's what he's doing. Yeah by the way Don booties, chiming in right, they're not too bad. He's like he's trying to scare her if he if he if he wanted. Killer. Wouldn't just. Scared her by giving her money and offering dresses, just like you'd better be careful like we're GonNa, we can treat you right. Where treating you right? We're doing our best to treat you right, but be careful, right? She. Doesn't that store? Don't. Warner's municipal guy carbone on a meat hook. Right. Come on still frozen. Thank you very much. With, one of my favorite scenes, that's Leyla no way. They're all they're all. Thank you for the call center appreciate. What is your favorite Goodfellas seen? Though because that's kind of what I was. With the billy batts anniversary, my favorite goodfellas scene. It's you know obviously the the cloud to I'm us? You is the greatest seen. In the in Goodfellas, and because it's been talked about so much, it's now like no. Let's talk about something else because it's. It's vogue to say that, but it still is. The ultimate greatest seen in Goodfellas. where it shows you that, Joe Patchy is off, the rails and people are scared of, and they're laughing with them and all that and again. It's. It's it's great like that. Right all right and and that was the scene that every body talked about. Thank you. Like that was the scene everyone talked about after goodfellas first came out. So now we kind of put that aside. Another amazing scene is the ultimate Scorsese shot of going into the club. Cope the going in the back from the back, and you're following the table out front and through the breasts right? And and it's one long continuous shot, and the guy comes out of nowhere flops down the table and. People came out that you might have been a little bit of Scorsese's artistry that might have been there may have been cut right in the head. It may have been in that it. Didn't care and goes. What do you do I mean all of it. That is yeah. That is a union. I am also I, I do love the final scenes. With the helicopter flying because of the music these on montages. Time. Off. Mason yeah amazing. I am. Partial! To any scene with more of the Wiegmann any scene. With more the Whitman, including the the mock commercial to show how his wigs don't come off on the pool. Henry my money. I love so. With more of the week man. The ultimate scene with billy bats go get your shine box. Is Remarkable. Leading to the conversation, the reason why we're discussing this today's billy batts untimely demise. and. That is true. Special. I love the scene. Where the Lufthansa Heist has been finally pulled off. And, Deniro Jimmy is. They're all in the bar and he is flipping out at how many people have bought stuff? Don't buy nothing. Don't do nothin' and coat the cars in my mother's name. Jimmy you don't understand. Take it out. Get it out of here. Get to get rid of it. Don't do nothin' don't bind up like that scene is amazing. Paul Sorvino is wonderful cooking. In the jazz rank tomato bringing. Music. That's great. But if I have to give the silver medal. Poker scene including spider. Who is we all know? Is. A Future Sopranos Star never dug a hole before okay. Drink spot, or would you put me on the pay? No mind lasting. Okay Saint. Forgot about that one. This morning is yeah truly. Next level now there's a couple of poker scenes Jan tells. He tells David. Spider tells. Tommy tells Tommy off yeah. And then he shoots him in the foot, and then the next time he you know e. that's when he tells him off after he got shot in the foot. And we all know that. Tells them to go after wasted I know he tells me. Exactly. So that's true. My favorite goodfellas seen. I would have to say. is in fact. It involves always. Great. Scorsese. Actors. Deniro. PECI DENIRO PECI from raging bull. Together, so they were together for. On Time Yeah. and his mother who amazement in Atanas films. and his mother plays Joe Pepsi's Mom. And they go to her house to pick up. Some of the tools they need to carve up billy batts. And have a meal because the most down. There's no Italian and then, and then she's like. Sit down. Come on, sit down to have something to eat. She whip something up. It's a full like nineteen course meal. In the middle of the night off noise. Mothers, refrigerators insane, and so you can eat for so and so you see. Tommy who is a psychopath? Is still a mother's son. and has some. Ounce of humanity in him, even though he's asking his mother for a knife to carve up somebody who's in the trunk of a car still alive by the way, yes all right and The still still loving his mother. And Marveling over her artwork and I think you can get this. You can if you can. We've got to get it for our show studio. How do we not how almost six years into the show and not have the painting? You can get it I. Know You can get. One way one dog goes the other way this guys. Get to because. I mean that's. I don't know why. That scene is one of my favorite. It's my favorite scene. It's just a really cool. Lincoln payroll real for a second like she talks to Henry Dog goes one way. One dog goes the other way in this guy I mean. They're mocking their joking about what they did. Do you want from me? I mean it's like, and she has no idea why they're like out doing what they're doing. It's great. We can get this up and it just. It just kills me. Look at it just kills me. Sure. This film, Yeah! We know that I have a poster. A goodfellas poster that I spent hard earned American dollars on for charity and he out where you got it at. You Got Lawrence. SAPS Cherry. took. Data Chase right now. I believe you now. Warren Warren may have at it, but I think it would. I should get Rosenhaus on the phone to it was A. Rosenhaus thing at the Super Bowl in Tampa from sire to. Prior to the giants Ravens Super Bowl. I bought it. Was signed by Ray Liotta. Joe PESCI. Deniro Martin Scorsese and had ray Liotta on his show years ago, and he saw it in a hallway and he said it was. Actually said it was efficacy and I can't i. I can't even. Literally can't even as our friend Denise. Now just go to our friend. Allen Dallas has been hold on forever. WHAT'S UP AL? You've heard everything. All due respect to my friends Feel Tony, he's gone. This is not that we could do about his nuts. He's. Real Grease Ball. Stuff? Oh my God! You you'll even out a big part, not leaving out apart the what makes good, such tremendous movie the entire scene. Tire went Henry Hills a child. New Right. Groceries. Whipped forget bringing home bad grades. They grabbed the postman like. Do you thought you notice? They stick his head in the in the pizza oven. Unbelievable. Forget believable. Also forget. Karen's Jewish. Mother given Henry a piece of his mind her piece of her mind. Walks right now. Forget about Janice Raw Janet Ross raps. What, Beach Club were they out in the south shore I mean in in the five pounds area. were. Had heartbeats called his? Pistol whips neighbor Oh yeah. And then she got all pulled. It's such A. It's such a great movie it's. Did you ever get? Did you ever get any I'm not saying restitution 'cause. Word but resolution because you know all those things are outsource most of those things, but it was event so I don't think Warren Andrew has no, no, no, no, they haven't, but we did get our. We did get in here a boxing glove that was given to us. When Deniro and stallone how to lend very outright. ridgemont whatever the hell that was and we got. I got I got the DVD and the it was, it was a deniro signed a boxing glove. That was you gave me. The DVD was totally certify totally certified that Deniro. Moore signed it and it doesn't look anything. Else both. Know. Scorsese, if you look at Scorsese, signature online it does. Poster so. Couldn't score, says he could have signed it, and then somebody's like. Let's Jack it up a little bit. Short take. Off on the charity, that's you know I mean that that's. Richard before you go. I just want to say. You know. The world's a crazy place for the last three months. Obviously and you and the boys there have been doing a fantastic job of of trying to keep it. keep it real per se. Thank you very much. It's been it's been a wonderful It's been wonderful. Let's not got appreciate it. Let's our Buddy Allen. Dallas been known known of so long used to be Al. in Houston, yes, I always joked with him. What is about the Knicks that it was Alan Houston call against Allan Allan Houston. Okay! Tomorrow show is a is a really good one And as always the thing I love about it is we are all? We are all about being comprehensive. So on tomorrow's show, Steven, Jackson is agreed to call in and task as we as we all know. He buried his friend earlier this week. George Floyd Stephen. Jackson is going be first up tomorrow. Then David Faraday will be calling in about What we're seeing today in golf. And then our buddy Mike Tirico. Who have been following on NBC s for the last two months for lunch? Talk Live. We have not on a long time and I just wanted to connect them. He will be on and then. My second favorite character from billions. He's out your favorite. Wag David constable lags. Is it your favorite now he's. He's One A. One B. One B.. Is Chuck Senior Jackson. Chuck senior is in billions. The actor Geoffrey Demont is just the only character I can equate him to people who like mad men Roger Sterling played by. John slattery every word out of his mouth. But David Kosta who also it was gail from the breaking bad. World and he made a he made a quick cameo and better call Saul. He did at one point he did. So David Kosta Bill will be on. And then we gotta add I mean that's the first thing we're going to do as soon as we're done. We always get on a phone call as a group. And first thing I'm going to say is get me seven wall or get me. Sites? Get me the guys who spoke to David Chase. And? End this thing. I want to. Ask this thing and I want the three things to be that these are the three things that will be inviolate, and I know Don put the camera on those two jokes when I say this one. I want this to be as open and shut as possible to. I want. It's inviolate. Diehard is not a Christmas movie. For. Goodfellas Post. He's put it up, please. One out of three, so you can make the hall of fame we'll put. Three does. Have One? Yeah, we'll give you know. Hey. Steve Levy said. Get Out of town and mean it. What did they what David Chase called it a death scene. He said he would probably going dark because. People See on, Friday. The Adam Corolla shows going on the road next stop. Nashville Tennessee clay. Travis is joining me on Friday and podcast wants Kaitlyn. Bristowe from off. 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Episode Fifteen: Stan Van Gundy

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Episode Fifteen: Stan Van Gundy

"South beach sessions presented by ZipRecruiter. Ziprecruiter, the smartest way to hire. Blow wits. Dan lebatardshow? Thank you for supporting the things that we're doing at lebatardshow friends. We're gonna be growing it out over the next year lot of different content, and a lot of different places and lebatardshow friends is going to be about talking to our friends, and my relationship with standing Gundy goes back a long way if began really with him calling to just rip the holy shit out of me because of a column that I'd written, and he didn't like the fact that I was saying in print as he was knocked out of heat management. I was saying in print that STAN Van Gundy himself would tell you that Pat Riley was a better coach than he was. And so I got the phone call of right in that don't write that anymore. Stop writing that. And so since then I took that beating and I and I listened to him and we've become friends over the years, and he's a person that I admire who has been made miserable by coaching by being an executive and yet the addiction of it. He keeps returning to it. Even. Oh, he's happier. When he's not a part of it. So stand van Gundy's interesting. And he was honest about his time in Detroit. But before we get to that Mike Ryan tell the people about are presenting sponsors. Oh, ZipRecruiter's presenting this week south each session, and we all know how difficult hiring is hiring used to be hard though. Now, we've got ZipRecruiter dot com slash speech. Multiple job sites. They stacks resumes, and it's a confusing review process. But today hiring can be made easy, and you only have to go to one place to get it done. That's right. Ziprecruiter dot com slash beach has applications come in ZipRecruiter analyzes each one in spotlights atop candidate. So you never have to miss a great match. 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I love this, dude. And I've loved him for a long time. But our relationship started in a funny place, actually, remember where I was I was in a coffee shop in New York. Talking to stand in Gundy on the phone, and he was really mad about a column that I'd written. He just told me and from right, then on no lie. I don't know if you remember this. But yeah, my respect for you is only grown since then. But you the fact that you called me and and just let me up at a nowhere. I think at the time you weren't were you in. I don't think you were even working. I think you might have been an assistant coach you remember any of this. I do vaguely. I mean, I remember the the thing that I remember about it was same thing is is I gained respect for you. Because in my experience at least up to that time. And a lot of my experience Simpson is some of the most sensitive people in the world to to criticism are journalists. They like doing criticize. Thing and and went to be immune from criticism. And that wasn't you at all like you were finding gauging in that. And and listening to what I had to say. And I remember telling people immediately after that, you were a lot different than than anybody that I dealt with two are a lot different than anyone I've dealt with in that you have such a unrelenting zeal about truth about being honest that you can't get out of your own way in terms of fines or saying things that you shouldn't be saying let seriously, and it's something you've never been able to conquer. And it's something you, and I've talked about for the better part of ten years as you've been find how much money over the is. Because you can't keep your mouth shut on stuff. Well, I'll tell you what I've certainly been find enough money that could have paid at least a couple of my kids tuition through college. So why wouldn't you just shut up stand? Like, why would why don't I mean? Like, what did it have been known that? That's something. A lot of people that are around me. You know, just can't get over. And I don't really know. Like there have been a lot of times in my in my life. And even said it to you at times that now I'm just not gonna talk. I can do that. I can just devoid. All interviews. You know, especially when I'm not coaching just no, I'm not gonna do anything. But when I'm on and faced with the question. I just I mean, okay. Generally, no, comment and stuff. But I have a hard time doing that. As you know. I mean, I get a question. My first instinct is I'm just gonna answer it and answer it the best way. I know how now I'm more guarded with teen type information like I'm not going to be critical very often with the media with my players. I'm not gonna say a lot of things that would make somebody look bad that I've coached or worked with but as far as the pinions on issues and things like that. And in sport and outside of sport. I just never. Been very good at letting questions go in the spirit of talking about some of the stuff that happened with you in Detroit, I'd like to examine some of it because the people care about you. I'm pretty comfortable saying this, and I I count myself among them don't think that coaching is very good for you that the responsibility of that for your mental health. You're physical health all of it seems deeply unhealthy. So before I get into the specifics of what happened with the pistons. And my saying anything that you would like to object to they're not wanna be certainly, you know, my wife's that. That's her concern. I mean is, you know, she just talks about it in terms of my happy that you know, I always say that I wanna coach, but I'm never happy win. I'm coaching which also makes it tough on the people around me. I think my brother would agree with you on that. Yeah. I think most people would. And and it's actually one of the things that really bothers me is that I've been at this. So long in a job. That is a great job in have not really found a way to enjoy it as much as I should. I enjoy it more than the people around me think I do but not as much as I should. But can you explain it to me STAN because I've never you're a well rounded individual you're someone who has a lot of interests. And Furthermore, you're someone who's very vocal about what I do for a living doesn't have any real worth. It's just entertainment and silliness. So within the context of that. I don't understand why there would be a heroin addiction with something. That's just a total misery all the time. You know? I mean diction is is definitely what it is. In a lot of ways. You know? I it's really for me. It's just the one thing that I've ever been able to feel really competent doing or at least at the best chance it competence. And you know, I it's an overriding feeling at times within that season that I'm just not. Doing it. Well, enough that there's something else that I should be doing that would help our team a little bit more than it each set me. And I don't enjoy it. I can reflect on every mistake. I make an a game every mistake. I make with the team minute. Yeah. It wears on me. And I have not done a good job of being able to simply do what I what I should do. I should look at you know, after a game after practice, whatever, you know, what went well what didn't go. Well. And let's move on. What do we need to do moving on? And that would be better for me would be better for my team. It would be better for my family would be better for everyone around me. And it would certainly be better for me. But but I haven't done a good job of that. And I'm well aware of it. And so how does something like that get fixed because I've got a hypothesis about that that control freaks coaches tend to be control freaks, but they don't actually once things start have. All that much control. You got your time outs. But you're dependent on players executing. What you think would you buy my theory on that that control freaks gravitate toward this stuff? And when they get this close to it. They don't actually have that much control. Well, I don't look at it that way, it's one of the things that makes it really difficult to me is I tend to take very personally what's going on out on the court. And so when we're not playing well, it's that I haven't taught well enough coached well enough drilled it well enough, it's a reflection on my ability, and my performance as a coach that those guys aren't performing as well as they should. And it's it's not even really results or a unit because there's plenty of times that I've come out wins not happy or not been happy within a game. And there have been times maybe not as many where we don't end up winning. But where I thought that. Team has played well, and we done what we wanted to do. So, but I take it personally the way the individual players perform the way the team performs, you know, that that's a reflection on the job. I've done what's the happiest you've ever been coaching. Well, I would go all the way back. My first job is head coach was at a small college in Vermont castle in state college nineteen eighty three was my first year there is it coach we were there for there for three years, and the one thing that level is guys are playing simply for the love of the game. I had really good players, and we won a lot that certainly makes it a lot more fun. I wasn't much older than the player's head coaching job at twenty four, and I just had a lot of fun at that level. You know, it was purely about the game itself and and trying to get better. And it was my first chances at head coach. So it was exciting and fun and. That's the most fun. I've ever had in the NBA. I mean, I I have had fun. I mean my first year as head coach in Miami was a great deal of fun. A team that started poorly, and you know, struggle eleven games under five hundred with twenty games or twenty one games to go and then won seventeen out of twenty one and got to the second round of the playoffs. That was a lot of fun. My time in Orlando. You know, the the problem is it's still not as much fun as it should be. Because there's going to be losses in there in the losses. Tear me up more than the winds excite me. But there's been a lot of fun along the way too. I just don't it hasn't stuck with me for as long as the miserable times have and the the bad times in my own mind. And in what people around me perceive have overshadowed the good times. And they really should I I'm curious here because I don't know how much to reveal here. I don't want to make young comes. Trouble. But I know that you suffered the ending in Detroit, the feeling of failure in a way that you know, was restless or may have sleepless I don't want to betray any confidences. But can you sort of explain to us how you beat yourself up over that? It was really hard. I'll tell you what really got to me here there. There were two things. Number one. I you know, it was it was upsetting to me because I think we were getting close and we had made the deal for Blake Griffin. And then when we got him in there and then rich Jackson came back. We really thought with that group that we had a chance to be good. And then you know, we didn't get a chance to finish it out. Blake got hurt. Those guys only played I think four games together. And so it was a feeling of we didn't get this done. We didn't get the corner turned, but we're close. But then the thing that really gave me the. Sleepless nights and everything was that. I had both jobs here in Detroit, which meant that. I had a lot of people working for me. And the thing that people I don't think fans really don't think about a lot when they're calling for coaches heads and went to coach fired and everything else is with the head coach, that's fine. And we were all vastly overpaid. And and so we're in good financial situation. If we get fired. But I think what people don't think about is. You know, I had fifty people working for me. And the vast majority of them in these kind of situations will end up out of a job, and they're not making huge money. And and things like that. They're worrying about how they're going to, you know, feed their family, and where the next job is coming from and everything else. And for me, I felt the great sense of responsibility. That had I done it. Better job had won more games. Had we gotten into the play offs. These people wouldn't be in the difficult situations that they were in and I liked and respected all the people that I worked with. And I knew they didn't deserve to be in the situations. They were in and I felt like I was the one responsible for making their lives difficult. And and if I could've squeezed out another four or five wins in either of the last two years, none of us would have been in that situation. I'm curious. I don't know you to be an emotional man in terms of getting sentimental, romantic breaking down in tears, but when you're talking to these people about the responsibility of that, and and feeling like the failure in it. I got to a magic that you get emotional during that. Yeah. It was tough for me the night that I talked to my owner on the phone a Sunday night. And you know, when the when the final decision was made he was kind enough to let me be. The one to to break it to the staff, and I wanted to be done in such a way that you know, they heard it from me before it hit the ticker. And as you know that that's a hard thing to do. Like if you can be woved to a story it. Yeah. I it's difficult, but it, but we were able to do that. And so the people that were in town, I was able to get them together as a group and tell them and then everybody else, including the players I had a chance to Email and text very quickly before anywhere got out. And so obviously, Email and text are okay. But then and in front of that group in a in our meeting room and telling them was hard for me. I made it pretty quick. So that I wouldn't break down and lose it. But it was a difficult time for me because I and even now I have difficulty in most of the people either were retained or found other jobs few have not. And and I feel great. Responsibility for that. And you know, feel like I let those people down. And that's the first time I've really gone through that I didn't obviously the other time in Orlando when I got fired. I was just coaching didn't have as many people under me, and it was easier to to get everybody lined up with jobs. And so I didn't really have that immense feeling of responsibility that I had here in may when this one happened. Let's talk about other stuff here. How much has been covered in your public life that really gets at what happened with you. And Pat Riley in Miami. Now, the reason I bring this up is just because I remember at the time. I didn't have enough information and one of the mistakes that I made is that I was reporting on this as authority, and I was basically saying that nobody was telling the truth that you were being pushed out by Pat Riley. I didn't have all the information. I now have what have you spoken about there that you're comfortable speaking about now without getting into any intimacies that you don't wanna talk about. Well, there really aren't any intimacies to talk about. And what I said at the time. And what pets said at the time was all true. And there there just weren't many people who believe almost none in the media. None that I can remember and very few fans or anything, and even some people close to me, and it was infuriating to me as you know. I mean, because I think the one thing that I have have tried to, cultivate, and and try to do throughout my career as you said earlier is to be honest with people, and yet, even when you have a track record of being honest with people in that instance, nobody would listen to me and give me the benefit of the doubt that. I was speaking. Honestly, I did not get pushed out I I was not happy for a lot of different reasons. And I just felt like it would it was time to step away and let pet take over. And as I said at the time, we been on a west coast trip, not long before the date when I stepped down Pat, it known my feeling since the very beginning of that. And when we were out now, Pat was out there in Malibu, and and we got together out there. And you know, he tried to talk me out of making the move to step down. But you know, when he found out that you know, I was or came to the conclusion that I was serious about it. Then we were able to go she ate how we were going to handle it, and what we were going to do. And that is I was a little naive because I just as soon as people would believe what we had to say. And and no one did. And what do you make of that? What do you make of that? Okay. For those of you who don't know the story. Some of the back story is that STAN Van Gundy? Head Shaquille O'Neal and Dwayne Wade. He had them that was a championship contender legitimate by any means, and then he left the job and for a variety of different reasons, family reasons and unhappiness what he was talking about unhappiness and all of us thought that shack had overthrown you all of us thought that Shaquille O'Neal was unhappy of being coached by you wanted to be coached by Riley. And so you would understand that part of the cynicism though. Right. The part that I would think is is infuriating and frustrating is as you said the idea that you've always been honest with us in here wasn't buying anyway. Yeah. And a decision. It was funny to me because it wasn't funny was actually disappointing to me. First of all wasn't. It wasn't serious shack whether Shaq was happy with me coaching him or not I knew for a fact that checked didn't overthrow me because it was my decision to leave. It wasn't. It didn't come from Pat, and maybe pushed out the door. And then people that's where it started. As people assume that pad had made the decision or Pat and Nikki had made the decision and then from there, why did they make that decision? And it was because the shack when the premise was wrong to begin with patent. Nikki didn't push me out. It was my decision to go. And I think people have a hard time believing that because you know, I was in my third season as head coach had a really good team there because because stand it is hard. Early like an unreasonable human being like it is hard to believe here. We've just been talking to you about what a misery. You are coaching. Here. You have a legitimate championship contender. And then you're like, I gotta go, and it is hard to believe I get that part. I get that. But again, I mean, I just I was I thought people when I would sit down and tell them it was my decision, particularly the media in Miami who I dealt with on a daily basis for the two years before and in some capacity for the eight years before that that I thought that you know, they believe what I had to say. But that wasn't the case. And then those are some frustrating handcuffs. You put yourself in their though because you're sitting you're you're you're giving people only so much honesty. Right. You're giving them your truth, and your fact, but you're leaving out the reasons that you were unhappy, and when you leave out the reasons that you're unhappy it allows the me. Media to fill in the blanks with whatever cynicism. They have. Yeah. I look I get that. But at the same time just what I'm saying. He now in Detroit. I mean, I it's one thing to be honest, but be an honest, and, you know, throwing people under the bus or blaming other people for your unhappiness that is just not something that I wanted to do. That's not the way that I wanted to go out in that in that situation. But you know, you know, a little bit of it because you were there in Miami. And you remember sort of how that summer was when after we had lost in the conference finals in game seven the year before and then sort of what that summer was like after that. And what was going on in the media and polls in the Miami Herald on who should who should coach the heat next year? Mere pad. And was that Cody was that Greg Cody? Greg Cody was putting those polls in the Miami airline. I don't know who was putting those in there, but guys were right in columns about it and and things like that. And there just wasn't a lot of clarity within our organization as to what was going to happen over the course of the summer. And so it was all those things going on and things inside and outside of the organization and everything else. But no one came close to pushing me out of the organization, I just sort of looked around. I didn't I wasn't real happy. And you know, you're looking around at a really good team. And guys I like loved my coaching staff all of those things, and you know, I still wasn't happy. You know, if you've got all those things going, well, and you're not happy. You don't wanna do it? I mean tells you something, and and that's what happened to get into the to the real specifics of it would require me to you know, pointing the finger at other people, and that's not something that I wanted to do then. And it's not something that I wanna do. Now, what was your level of happiness in Orlando because that team was really good to that team was sitting there fighting with LeBron James that's as good a team as you've ever been around even when I was in it. But especially as I look back. I mean that was a that was an outstanding team of of great people to be around to. I mean, I that group I've liked virtually everybody at coach. But that Orlando group was special in terms of the way they fit together as a group. I mean, the roster really fit, and it was a predominantly very unselfish group of people, and they were willing to work, and they were willing to, you know, put up with my bad stuff to get to the stuff where I could help them a little bit. I it just it was good. It was an enjoyable time. I have a lot of respect for those guys. But still I don't I didn't you know, when I say that people like you didn't look like you were enjoy. It and it's tough in the moment because I don't care everywhere. I've been been the same all you care about winning the next game. And if you win you're happy for about an hour after the game, and then you're onto the next game. And in my mind, I just see nothing but pitfalls in the next game. You know, I I see all these obstacles that need to be overcome before we go out on the court again. And so yeah, I'm stressed out about that. And and always looking for what could beat us. And so probably didn't enjoy it as much, but overall I really enjoyed that group of people that I that I had their still in touch with some of them and have great respect for virtually all of them. What's the bad stuff that you're talking about there that the Orlando Magic had to put up with from STAN Van Gundy? Well, again, because I think that at times, you know, I can be over the top in expecting perfection. And I. Can wear people out with that. I do think I got better in my time in Orlando as time went on. But but still probably too much and probably didn't give guys enough of a rope. That at times, you know, and and that that can be hard. But again, I think that it was a mature group of people. I think you judge you hope as mature people that you judge people in the whole and while there were things about me. I'm sure they didn't like I think overall most of those guys would would play for me again in a heartbeat. I think they enjoyed it. I think they know I cared about him. I think they know I respected them and light them. And they wish I wouldn't a yelled at him as much, you know. That's that's really the core of it. Right. That's that's yeah. Yeah. But again, I mean, I think if you ask them I'm confident that those guys there was more. They like. A lot more. They like what they didn't like. And I think that they respected the job that we did is coaching staff in preparing them and getting them ready to play and giving them but chance to win. And I think in the long run that's what good players in the NBA care about like, they do care about what kind of person you are no question about it. But they're trying to win and they're trying to succeed in their career. And they want somebody that can help them. And I think most of the guys that I've coached would would say that I have and certainly that group in Orlando. I think we had a lot of mutual respect there into what was going on. And look at the same the other way. I didn't like everything about every guy I coached, but overall I had great great respect for them on. I think we cultivated a very good atmosphere. They're those of us that were there for most of the time where all the time in the five years look back on it as a great time in our careers. One we'll cherish. When did you know that Wade was special? Did you it was there a moment where you knew that Dwayne Wade because you got the early years where you knew oh what we've got on our hands. Here is going to be one of the best guards of all time. It started really early. I think for you know, I don't want to speak for spore those other guys. But I think it really started for us in right in summer league. I mean here was a guy that had not played at the point at the point guard position at all in college. I mean, really played off the ball. And and we were looking ahead at our team. And you know, Eddie Jones still on our team coming in. And and we wanted to know Dwayne could play the point. And so we went into summer league and decided to play him there. And and I was still coaching the summer league team. Because at that time Pat is remember stepped down after our last exhibition game of Dwayne. Rookie year. So I was still an assistant. We coached them in summer league into watch. What he did in summer league? Now understands just similarly competition, but he's playing basically out of position and play tremendously. And we knew right in his intelligence was special. You already knew about the ability had and within two weeks of summer league. You realize that this guy that something special in terms of his intelligence and ability to figure things out on the floor. So you knew that that would vote. Well, and then when we got into training camp, it's and Sposa one working with Dwayne on an individual basis as he did for his first, I at least the time. I was there. I first couple of years in the league, and you would watch them work on something. And then boom he could go out in the game. And and put it into. Practice. Right. Then that day. I mean, most guys months even years of repetition before you see it on the floor and early to do twenty thirty minutes, and you'd see it on the court. And I mean that's just special and then you saw his ability to to make big plays in big moments. The one that crystallized it for me was his very first playoff game. We're tied in the in the final seconds. And we put the ball in his hands to make the right play. Not only does. He does you score the basket, you know, game winner in his first playoff game. But he just runs the clock down right to where it needs to go. And really gave that they did have one chance on an out of bounce play. I think he'd left three tenths on the clock. They didn't really have much time. And Dwayne was the best that I've ever seen in those situations. There's nobody that I've seen that. I would rather have the ball in in those last-second situations than him and his ability to manage the clock and get a great shot. No-one no-one no-one no-one, Michael no, Ryan, no one better. No, one better in those situations my opinion and not that guys make big shots against me. I haven't seen anybody better in their ability to manage the clock and get quality shots up in those situations. I just and it started right there actually started in the summer -ly. We played Cleveland in the summer lebrons rookie year, obviously to and Elaine one that one in a summer league game on a game winner. And then his first play up. The obviously I'm biased because I coached the guy, but I've coached a lot of other guys, and you know. There's there's a handful of players who I would put ahead of Dwayne his players. But not in that situation. I'm curious wide given that given the knowledge that you have why does the country at large if I suggest to the country at large sports fans. Hey, Dwayne Wade is every bit as good and was every bit as good as Kobe Bryant. There is no difference between those two players would they laughed me out of a room. Yeah. I don't know. I there's differences would knowledge at two in terms of the way they played the game. But in terms of who's better yet, it it's really really close in my opinion. Now, you know, they both been great winners. They've both been able to score the ball. I think what happened is, you know, Dwayne head that great final series in two thousand and six I'm not really sure that anybody has carried a teen to a chat. Championship in a final series more than doing did in that one. There's some others that have certainly been in that ballpark. But I don't know anyone has had better. I don't think there has been then I don't think I don't think anybody has ever been better in a final riot agree with you. And and he absolutely carried that team. And then they had a couple of years where they weren't quite as where they weren't quite as good and then Dwayne, but Dwayne it in two thousand and six was sort of at the height of his notoriety. But then what happened with the LeBron and Bosh come into Miami? I think Dwayne in terms of the credit he's been given because they went to four straight finals and one two of 'em LeBron and rightly so got, you know, a great deal of the credit more of the credit than anyone and Dwayne was seen as Scotty pip. In rather than Michael, Jordan. And and I think it said a lot about Dwayne myself because Dwayne really worked to bring that altogether with Bosch. And LeBron, and I think a lot of guys even though they go to play together they wanna be the guy's going in somewhere, Dwayne flat. That was his franchise that was his city his town. You know that and he was willing to bring those guys in because he wanted to win. And while I think it did help him win. I think he's level of Toshio recognition actually declined because of that. And he really hasn't gotten. He'll be at first ballot hall of Famer, but still hasn't gotten the claim that he deserves one is the worst loss of stands career the one that that was the night you couldn't sleep more than you couldn't sleep any of the other night. I'll tell you what it was in a series. We ended up winning against Cleveland in in the series in the conference finals. So we both games, but we opened in Cleveland. And so we had to come from way behind early in the game to win and game one. And then in game two we have a chance to take to nothing lead on the road. And LeBron hits the shot that they still show every year when they're getting ready for the playoffs. Drives me crazy bad shoddy stand it was a bad shot. He made it, but it's not the shot that you want. I mean, you don't mind them taking that shot their stand should have been a second guy on him. No. And it just it drives me crazy because I didn't play it right defensively. And that could have cost us. It didn't end up costing us. We won the series in six games. But it could have I mean, and that goes back to you talk about the misery of coaching from me because we won that series in six games to go to the NBA finals, and my overriding memory from that series. Is that I screwed that up at the game too and got beat and didn't have a second defender on him. And if you ask me. My main memory of that series. That's it does anybody in the Van Gundy family have a sense of humor about your brother ending up on the ankle of Alonzo Mourning is can I find Van Gundy, anywhere, roaming, the earth on this on this continent or another one that would would find the humor in your brother? Jeff that photograph that I love that. If I were Jeff I would have it in my house. But I understand why it might be a source of family. Shame. I don't think it's a source of shame. I I don't think anybody feels a shame of it, including Jeff. But it certainly not something that you know, we see the humor in. So no, the answer is no the answer. Simply not well, there are gonna be running around. And so, but the ones that are here the ones we know about don't find anything about what I'm doing right now. Well, I know this my parents myself and my brother do not, but maybe fifteen years or so like we'll sit down and watch that. And we'll be able to laugh about it. I I don't know. It's just it's been something that we've never those whole series those Miami New York series. We're not we're not as as great as the rivalries were and the competition and all of that during the time, it certainly not one that was was fun for for me. And I don't think even for Jeff and a lot of ways though, he kept coming out on top. So it was a little bit. More fun. You know, but it's just not something. We've never we've never really gone back and talked about those series. Like, we've talked about him in generalities about the intensity and the competitiveness of those series and the players involved in the great respect that Jeff and I had for players on both sides of it. But in terms of the games themselves. It's something we've never even gone back and talked about Pat Riley tells the story after one of those losses against the Knicks of Alonzo Mourning coming into his locker room still in uniform the team is just broken outside because they've lost again to the Knicks and telling him while he sobbing at his desk that pets OB at his desk Alonzo goes in and tells him go do your job go talk to your team. Yeah. I mean, I remember that too. It was it was the last time we went through it. It was you know, it was shot that Clarence after Clarence Weatherspoon missed the shot. I believe and we were. In we were in Miami. And so it was in our own locker room and we'd lost at home. And it was difficult time. What was tough about? All those is that we were. We were the higher seeded team all the time. And you know, it was close. I mean, those were great series. And it was a great rivalry. I think for a lot of reasons but a lot because the teams were so similar petted coach that team in New York and then came to Miami. And so if you look back on it and you compare it to today's game. I mean, it was just a basketball in a lot of ways. I mean, it was it was literally that you talk about grind it out games. I mean teams were just by eating and one of the great things. I remember as people have looked back on the series. And I don't know was it was quite a while ago now, but somebody asked Dan Marley about what he and Allan Houston had said to each other because Dan, always guarded Alan Houston in those series. And look we're playing them at that time a series, plus four games a year. And you know, you're playing them nine to eleven games a year, the whole thing and and sit never said one word to. In that entire time. And and that's that's what it was. I mean, there wasn't a lot of talking. I mean in there wasn't the Congeniality that there is a lot of times now between the teams and hugging and kissing and and all of that. I mean that that might have been I don't know if it was the last time, but it was certainly one of those teams fought. And I think they look back on it. I've talked to some of those guys over the years. They look back with great respect for the guys on the other side. But at the time, I mean, it was intense Zo and Larry Johnson was a bit scary. Like the I don't know well with them. But like it was something bad happening between those two. No, no, there's no question. I mean, look those those teams I mean, it was I haven't been around anything like that since then. I mean, there's rivalries and and things like that. And there are. Some teams with with bad blood that there's that. But not with level of intensity on the court. And in fairness a lot of that is because the rules in the way, the games officiated has has evolved for the good for the good. I mean, a lot of us didn't like it at the time. But you look back at those games now. And you're like why did we let people play like that? Is it true is is it true that you guys were finding people if they if they help the opponent up it was in our book, you know, your your team guidelines that you gave the team it was in there. I in reality. I don't remember anybody ever getting fine. But I also don't remember anybody ever pick anybody up from the other team. So it's probably why they didn't get fine. I mean, it was a different world. The NBA was different at that time. It was different in the way the game was fishy. Aided the rules were different. And the atmosphere was different around games at that. Time. And I don't really know anybody who would dispute that. And it doesn't mean that the guys then are necessarily more competitive than the guys now. But there just wasn't the level of collegiality that that time that there is now, and they're certainly because the rules wasn't the level. There's not the level of physicality now. I mean now where you see greater physicality actually in the WNBA. I don't know why they go by the same rule book. But they let those women absolutely kill each other. But our guys the games just not that is equipped game anymore. Is it fair to say that those series were so hostile and the stuff with your brother was so uncomfortable for you to be on the other side that there was damage done to the relationships involved for with Pat Riley, and you and Jeff or is that not a fair thing to say. It didn't. I mean, it didn't affect my relationship with my brother at all other than we just we never talked during the series ever once it was time to start the series till it ended we never talked and we generally talk almost every day. But in those series, we didn't talk and so you had a couple of weeks. It didn't I don't think affect my relationship with Pat at all Pat knew where I stood. I mean, you know, I don't think that was ever a question definitely affected, Pat. And Jeff's relationship, but that's obscene that many many many times in the NBA. I mean, it's tough to go out and compete against people in befriends with you can do it regular season matchups. But if you have a couple of playoff matchups, it's unfortunate, maybe, but it's going to happen. I mean, there's just gonna be. A different level of intensity and animosity, I guess so at the height of these crazy rivalries, physical and all that stuff with your brother hanging on those ankle like these series are just totally crazy. And at the end of one of them, Pat decides to raise the stakes he calls me from his boat or something, and I write a column in which Pat was really harsh on Jeff publicly harsh on Jeff in a way. We hadn't heard escalating the stakes on all of that. You remember reading those words where you were. And how you felt about that. Because that puts you in a really awkward predicament. I do remember it. It didn't surprise me. I certainly knew who Pat was you know, I thought it was disappointing. But it happens a lot in that two guys who had so much in common and a guy like Pat who'd been such a mentor to Jeff, you know, to see that relationship. Really go away. I mean, I I don't I don't think they really even have a relationship or never did. After that. I thought it was disappointing. But I didn't find it very surprising. And and again, I never I never had a problem with Pat, and I don't think Pat ever had a problem with me in regard to that series. I mean, it was uncomfortable for me at times, you know, to to read those things, but he never made it uncomfortable to, you know, come in and go to work, and I don't think he ever questioned where my loyalties lied in terms of who I wanted to win and at the same time, he knew that I was always going to you know, on a personal level. My loyalties we're gonna lie with Jeff. So he was able to handle all of that. I think everybody understood what was going on tell us about what happened with Dwight Howard. You guys had the publicly famous. I mean that can you laugh at that? Now, or you're not gonna laugh at that either. Because I thought that was one of the gangs to press conference of all time where you're sipping diet soda and you're being publicly harsh on the white. And he's he comes over and puts his arm around you and start smiling as you're ripping him. Can we see the humor in that? Now that you've repaired your relationship with Dwight or not allowed to laugh about that either. Okay. I can see why people think it was funny on one hand I regretted on another right? Don't I regret it because of the pain that it caused Dwight? I mean, I just read something even this summer that it was the worst day of his career, you know, and I felt bad when I read that because the guy did a lot for for me and our organization, and I. You know, I feel bad that it was that bad for him. I wasn't trying to strike out against Dwight. I was upset with my organization at that point. And they let a in my mind they had led a lot of. Yes remain out there locally in Orlando. But it was I thought it was a distraction for our team. And what I wanted to do was just get rid of all the speculation. And and put it right to you know, what the facts were which was that. I knew for a fact because I've been told by highest level people in our organization that over the summer Dwight it said that he you know, he wanted a new coach and they decided not to do that. And I said, yeah, that's what happened, and it was just hopefully try to in my mind put all the speculation to rest, but the fact that it caused that much. Consternation for Dwight that does bother me when I when I read that this summer, you know, I sort of shook my head and and felt bad about why why did you do it at the time? Like what why we had a lot of speculation just swirling around our team. And you know, I didn't like it. I mean, it was it was all the stuff. I mean, a lot of talk at that time about, you know, my relationship with the white is does Dwight wanna be here is Dwight gonna leave. Did he wanted to get traded vide- wanna get traded because of the coaching situation? I mean, it was out there all the time. And it was I thought it was a great distraction to our team, and that we were having trouble focusing on what we needed to focus on basketball wise. And so I just my motivation was I'm gonna put the speculation to rest, you know, we don't need to speculate anymore. This is exactly what happens. So what we're going to? We're gonna move forward. I mean at the time, I said it happens all the time. There's guys not happy with their coach. And they want somebody else in wind up. We'll learn to deal with it. And we'll move on. I just wanted to put the speculation to rest bad time. You know with Dwight coming over exactly that second Camille. I know but comedic STAN comedic. That's where it's good. Oh, no. There's no question about that. And and people were, you know, texted me, and you know, laughing about it. And but it wasn't the timing was was not ideal for sure, but again what happened. And this shows you the level of what was going on is people were, you know, speculating about this so called rift between Dwight night, which at the time and till that press conference we didn't have and so one of the writers who've been talking to Dwight's separately. You know, totally what was sort of going on the speculation. And so Dwight wanted to I guess a show of unity after I just sort of out of him a little bit. And I'm not I give me the situation to do over again. Now, you know, six years later, and and I would I wouldn't do it the same. But that's different from. Saying that, you know, I really regret that. I did it. I thought that the organization sort of throw all under the bus at that point. And and I was trying to fix it. But didn't do it. Well, I'm wondering is that the biggest do over that? You'd like like if I gave you all if I gave you a do overs that where you use it or somewhere else professionally? No, there's there's only one moment in my professional career that I truly regret and will haunt me. And that is in the process of taking the Orlando job originally, you know, Billy Donovan had taking the job. And then he went back to Florida. And then Orlando at offered me the job and Pat had refused to let me go to Orlando. And I was talking to Sacramento at the time. They offered me the job. I I wanted to go to Orlando. Pat would release me to go to Sacramento, but not. To orlando. So I got on a plane and went to Sacramento with the idea, my wife, and I were gonna go look at houses. And if everything was good with my wife, I would take the job while I was out there. So that was the deal and I flew back on a private plane. We flew back on a private plane from Miami to Sacramento with Jeff Petri in Wayne Cooper. They gave us a car. And we were to go off as soon as we landed out there Orlando called and said, hey, look, don't do anything. We think we can get this all worked out. And so we didn't look at a house. We spent the rest of the day avoiding phone calls from Jeff Petri who I'm sure was here and rumors and eventually got the deal worked out with the Orlando at like, six o'clock in the evening Pacific time took a Red Eye out and did the press conference in Orlando. And as someone who has really tried hard and prided myself in acting with integrity and my career. I showed no integrity toward. Petri in the kings organization on that day. I I was simply doing what I thought was best for me which was trying to get the Orlando job but keep Sacramento on the hook. And so avoid Jeff Petri all day, and it was selfish and was not not my finest moment, and and I've regretted that ever since. And it bothers me every time I think about it. I'm just mining all the stuff that bothers you STAN I'm just going over and over the stuff that hurts and the stuff that darks let me do it again here. I really do feel like you could have that Golden State job. I really do. I think that that you were the coveted candidate at the time. And I understand your reasons for doing what you did you like Detroit ownership it seemed like a partnership they were gonna give you control over the groceries and allow you to do the cooking. But man, oh, man STAN you'd like do over there. Just because there would have been so much winning now. If I had that one, and I just got fired and that has been a tremendous disappointment for me. But if I had it to do over, again, even knowing what I know now, I would have done the exact same thing. So that one doesn't as far as decision if I had had that. I mean, here's the other thing that's hard to way is I never had that decision to make. I could have stayed in the running for the Golden State job. But I didn't have a job offer from Golden State. And so it really made the decision somewhat easy. But I'm talking about a hypothetical. I'm talking about well, even as a hypothetical, even if I was sitting there on that night with an offer from Golden State, even if that were the case, I would have still gone to Detroit. And if it's four years later looking back, I still would have gone, but how how can you say that explain that to me I'd like to understand how can you say that given what the results in both places were. Well, because I wanted I wanted the challenge that I got in Detroit. I really I wanted it. And you know, even didn't end up working out. I wanted that challenge. I wanted to work for that ownership group in Detroit. And I wanted to be in control of who I put in our offices there. So I would do it again. I mean, would it have been a great experience to coach such great players and Golden State and and to work with a guy like Bob Myers. Yeah. I mean, but that's not what I was looking for per se at the time, I had, you know, obviously at advance farther in the search with Detroit I liked what I what I saw there. I was excited about the possibility. And I'm happy with the way it turned out. You are really human. You are fundamentally decent you really like the owner of the. Sins. So I'm curious because you're a relationship builder, and I don't know many people don't like standing under when they get to know him. How hard was that last conversation with your owner where you're breaking up? Well. I can't come in from his side from my side. It was hard because I was getting tired. I mean, you know. And here's the thing. Like, I I don't have one bad word to say about Tom Gores. I think what you should expect or or even go beyond expect hope for is that anybody worked for an owner will support you while you're there and give you you know, what you need to succeed and Tom did that and he's a good guy. I like, so I've got nothing bad to say about it. But look I mean, I I don't like the decision that he made. I you know, I I didn't agree with it. I didn't like it certainly because of that. I mean, I I don't expect that Tom, and I will have a relationship going forward. I have no bitterness toward him whatsoever. But you know, our relationship was based on working together toward a goal. And then once somebody tells, you know. I don't want you anymore. I mean, you're not gonna have a relationship. I haven't talked to Tom since he fired me, and I don't expect it. I probably will. But I, but I like the guy I respect the it was his decision makers and owner he handled it the right way. He was up front about everything. I I mean, there's nothing more. I could ask for. So, you know, I there's nothing I'm bitter about, but I don't just debate that will ever relationship. So how does that end up working out though? Like at the very end of that conversation during that conversation. You argue on behalf of your job at that point. Or is the decision made? And you know, it's made. And so you're going to not say what you think on that front. Yeah. No that whole phone call. I was never an argument. I mean trauma come to his decision. And that was it. I mean, you know, we had at time. I mean, it took a long time. Now. I mean, we were you know, we didn't make the playoffs. So you didn't. And I don't know full twelfth thirteenth whatever it was. And I didn't get fired till may like this. Six or seven something like that. And so did it taking some time. So we had twenty time to talk about the job situation and everything else, and I'd had a chance to advocate and the whole thing. I mean, there was a path. If we went all the way back to the end of the season. There was a path where I probably could have remained with the pistons. But I don't think it would have been good for me or the organization, and so, you know, Tom made his decision, and I didn't agree with it. I you know, was disappointed by it. I was bothered by it. But but again, it was his right to make it in comparison to you know, similar situation. Getting let go in Orlando, Tom certainly handled it one hundred percent better and was more up front. And and I respect the way handle the situation. Our thanks to STAN Van Gundy, we will be back next week. But my tell the people about if they want this because we're building menu. I've. Dmz around here. They like this, and they want this and they want something else from Lebanon friends. What can they get? We have Meena kinds all year football podcast. We have Sarah Spain we have Morty Smith with great RIC flair joining the network. 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"This show is presented by Hulu. If you didn't know who has last bortz watch live games and all your favorite teams with Hulu. No cable required. Live TV plan required. Restrictions apply. Jalen and Jacoby on CNN. Shop because if we ever do y'all pop the strong. This week. He is Jalen rose one. I'm David Jacoby. All though. Cool shake kin together. We are Jalen and Jacoby. The brakes rich we got. What does not show? Listen. Did you want to show? Why are we debating what did I do continue? You get directed me continue, sir. I tried to continue interrupted. You wanna talk about talking about the show or do you want to do the show? Why don't you to be like my bed my bed? Thank you. The cool check in Kenya missile. Centerstage on. The best days. Toby what do? Oh so much to talk about today. Three big games last night. Three big games tonight. Pistons one last night, right? We're leaving. Halftime. There you go. We have CC Sobat freshly inked a deal with the worldwide leader in sports. I mean, he's still pinging. The other two being signed on president best of both worlds. We got Chennai glue McKay she's on the show today. But she's a friend of the show. She still in league. I like this Jalen rose. You did this long time ago some media experience while you're still in the league, no doubt about it. So there's a few things I want to talk about. One thing. I want to talk about. Is wingstop. I saw your wingstop commercial. And I was like wait a second. Told the staff this, and they didn't believe this at all. I've never in my life had a wingstop wing, my friend and former colleagues shea Serano would strike me down. If you heard this. I have never in my life had a wing stop wing, not a single wing not a drum not a flat not one wing from wingstop rate while I'm going to change that not only for you. Going to change it for a lot of the students at the Jalen rose leadership academy who have three point ole averages or of. Oh, yeah. That's going to happen. And I think it's like one hundred seventy seven of them, but I've already talked to them and just full disclosure. You know, how I get food for the staff or whatever yesterday, we have fish. We had corn. We have two plates of fried chicken wings, fried pickles. We have I made a plate. So I talked to the people at wingstop. And let them know that I would like to get a food truck here. Oh for our staff to enjoy you know, who salty about all this who Los Angeles. Reggie's already in my ear complaining. Mitri is the first one. Them to LA. I got you guys read we get it. You have never had a wing stop wing. Let me just let me just say you saw how KiKi am I as it relates to chicken wings, you make your own? That's how pick you are. Correct. You make your own the only and I'm saying this to a microphone the only place. I go for wings is wing stop. That was not hyperbole. You have never seen me or wherever you see me. Order wings from do you want me? Tell me why don't you tell the truth hooters, you order some wings and normally eat one or two. No, you order those those ones with that base based by whatever that's spicy. But I wasn't you want to wait there. Okay. Now. Into this. We having a conversation. Those are. Okay. But what do I really go to wingstop forty? The hooters. I mean, the Hulas crab legs. Okay. That's what I what trailers a crab legs. Where's the hooters by our job in L A, that'd be both like to go to the head golden tea there, and you would order they would have daily. They knew you. They see you coming. They had special crab legs just for you. And I will crack so reminds. Put the lump of crap inside of the butter and kindly tip. The server have them go in warm all over it up. This is what you're gonna crack out all the meat. It would take him like ten minutes, and he'd be like listening on those little weird. But can you heat this up? So then then go heat up, the crab meat after you got out of the crab legs and bring it back to you. And please correct me if I'm wrong, put some seasoning ball saw tool move to crack, all your crab legs before you eat. But I think the only soft thing about it is it's then you lose the heat, you know, but what I love is that we haven't heated back up. You know, I like to make fun of you. I like to give you a hard time. That's a boss move. So I go to hooters to order crab legs. I go to wingstop to order limited pepper and or Louisiana row. Well done with extra limit pepper extra. That's my draw. The Mike order. So here here's a question. I want the audience to get back at us. Ed, Jalen and Jacoby Jalen rose at DJ. Coby on Twitter. How many wings I've trouble? I have trouble with this. How many wings is the perfect amount of wings? I have trouble with this. Because they always come at weird numbers that you can have five twenty five as well. You know, what are you get five? You can get twelve. But what's the right amount of ways was not perfect? Respectfully ninety nine percent at a time that I'm offering wings is not only for me. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Bumps for you to eat. Well, I want to Jalen does is this is Jalen move right here. If I would have ways you have on. That's what you do. And and me as an annuity. Remember now me as an enabler. I have to say, yes. Even about all one because he just wants me to say, yes. So he could order like two different flavors or Surrey. I know you're move curry. I know you're move. I would say to ASA to your question though. A sweet spot number just to be safe. Just get twenty five to what are notable for one person twenty five for one person. Yes. That's insane. Jalen, I that's one of the craziest things you've ever said in the Mike appears what? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no one person. If what Brasilia's twenty-five ways, though, several would be like who else is coming waiting for somebody. Well, let me ingratiate you how the wingstop experience works. Okay. Since you've never eaten there never been there usually people that order wingstop getting as carry out. Oh, not like hooters. Say okay. It's kind of like a Domino's or some wings. Correct. Now that the goal really is for you too lightly. Carry it out like you can't sit there and eat. But usually that's what people do. So if you're going to leave if you're going to enrage, a you're right. They got some of the best fries and a game. You're not big Donald fries because that's my favorite fast food fries. But I will say they top two or three. Okay. Now, reg registered passionate about this. No doubt. Reggie's. Exactly. Right. And this is why say order twenty five because you carrying them out. Okay. So therefore, you have enough to get you full, and you have some to warm up at another point at a day. So you know, what I've learned about wings recently, number one don't need to be fried baked wings, a great baked wings a great wings. Also, if I do this now, I'm not a big leftover guy, you know that leftovers, but if I have some extra wings, we'll take them home put them in the oven for a little bit. They kind of tastes better. Like, it's like, they don't have the juicy nece together little dry, but I don't mind at all. I'm gonna make sure you have some wingstop. I want some wingstop. I got you. I want some wingstop right now, I'm hungry. Real quick too. Hot for TV reg to TV, so Jutta black sports online. I saw this story there shout Robert would've don't the time. The panthers. Bruce Irving allegedly. Paid in Instagram model twelve thousand dollars to not release pictures of him in compromising positions without clothes on. And just to be hush about what the situation was. She went out and release them. Anyway. Jalen. Give us some game. Here's the game. Is not life or death for him. Not literally. No, we seen somebody in a pretty powerful position in our United States of America, overcome this type of activity, and we've all we've we've we all have an anatomy. You know? What I mean, we we all the same. And here's the deal. What ends up happening is. You kind of see this right now with the Robert Kraft situation because you would think in a vacuum. A he has so much bread that he would just pay. So the video doesn't get relief. Well, they announced the video is going to be released his lawyers made some phone calls like all okay, that's negotiation to me. And here's what negotiation takes place. With anything. It's going to eventually come out. Oh, yeah. It's gonna come out whatever he Robert Kraft pays whatever Irvine pays whatever forty five pays is gonna come out. Here's my here's my advice from Mr. Irvine. If you pay five figures for someone to do something have some paperwork back that up. I'm pretty sure he did. Oh, really? I don't know how these things work because. If you're looking for the reason to work with a local gyco agent. I have all of them because I'm the voice of reason reason one Geico agents could help you save on more than car insurance reason to they can help tell your policy to fit your needs reason three their local and for their local. Yes, I already said that but still good reason. And if you're looking for more ways to save your local gyco agent could help with more than just your auto insurance. Stop by give them a call today. They're here to help. Jila rose last night. I'm watching the Pacers. Take a ten point lead in the fourth quarter against the Celtics. I said to myself game somehow, someway, visit a lose lose this game against what they lost the game. Came back held the pace of scoreless for quite some time. We on a big run. Kyrie Irving was balling hitting clutch after clutch shot couple of big three's. Jason Tatum himself was playing well with this little pushback you see right here. Jalen Irving Tatum to forty six of the Celtics eighty four shots is that the right balance at the recipe for success. No, ooh. No k hat tattoo guys. Taking almost fifty percent of the show percents on a talented team. Like this in a lot of dynamics that work in Portland that works in. Okay. See that works in Houston that works not what the Boston Celtics. And so when you're gonna get an Indiana pacer teen. What out their best player, and Victor Ola depot of talked about this since the playoff seeding started to happen. The best thing that could have happened for the Celtics will face the Pacers. So that now it seems like they're playing a lot better than they really. Are. They scored one hundred points yet in this series. They were losing both of these games. It's to know. But they're losing both these games to a team without all-star. Kyri was amazing thirty seven points, and we look at the stat sheet. Gordon Hayward was a positive contributor as well. He only have four points, Terry Rozier, but his pace his ability get them in their office was huge. He had a great floor game. Now for Indiana is tough for them to get offense in particular. Layton games create enough to dribble Donald's play will the team score. But when the game gets tight, that's what you're gonna miss your best. A lot of like they do. Bogdonovich Turner pick and roll next possession. Bogdonovich Turner, pick and roll at the top of keys next possession, bogdonovich Turner picket role. And if it didn't work had to kick it to Matthews akals, and it just the whole thing fell apart. And this Indiana does though weaned talking about the players up front for the Celtics. You know, why they was getting locked down? Oh, yeah. Turner was blocking everything Moore's was for eight. None of their bigs in the starting lineup scored over double figures include now Horford, Indiana plays DeeDee at thirteen steel they play great defense but wants to gain gets tight even at the last play. Highlights. It you doing a sideline out of bounce play Wesley? You're trying to get it to by Donovan he wasn't behind the three point line. Even if he would have caught the ball. I mean that was a miscommunication. But also, it's like, listen, you're doing it out of bounds. Maybe a cross court. Lob pass over defenders head isn't the best idea. Like the dog. I thought you're doing like if I was doing what you thought I was doing it was still a bad play. Well, let me tell you what somebody taking the ball out should never do. Has the ball above their head? Yeah. That's always going to be an errant throw. You probably shouldn't throw the ball over twenty yards or whatever twenty feet if you're taking the ball out of bounds in that situation. You know, they're down by three with twelve seconds left. But I but to your point though, I like seeing Jason Tatum assert himself. Yes, I like to see them establish a pecking order of who's gonna be the Celtics second best player. Is it going to be? Hey, where is it going to be Horford? Is it going to be Brown? You notice that they're trying to make sure that it's Tatum. And I think that's the right move. But being forty six eighty four shots, especially with the players have seems a little unbalanced Jalen rose. It's celebration time in the chairman Jacoby studio. But Detroit Pistons won the Detroit Pistons would Detroit Pistons warned the first half against the pucks. Fiat. Want to anymore? Then won the first Jalen they had. They would they was with the lead against number one seed. You gotta so unprofessional. They won the first half. They did they won the first. I know you're watching the game the game. They got a w deal that they had got twelve straight this, right? Twelve straight postseason loss twelve street to upcoming in Detroit. What does my two favorite NBA teams haven't communist years playoffs? They're both down and without the best players. That's what happens this time of year. You went out. And so I was with my friends watch the game. I was like Blake Griffin's in the series. This is different. Correct. Blake Griffin's Blaker. Very quietly hadn't excellent year in excellent year. I had thirteen MBA as a forward. He played terrific this year. And he's improved a three point shoot. So Detroit did win the first half in Milwaukee. That's why I'm telling you. They're going to win game three. I like it in Detroit. It happens a lot with you. We've all seen so many seven game series team goes up to and then they go the other teams have Rena the crowd. They don't feel like they must win the game. A lot of game. Threes gets Andre Drummond at least twenty twenty in game three. Really? Yes. Well, they're playing against someone named Yana stand to Cuco familiar, and you remember Don McClure, that's really to say his name. He was on the books and gave the business right there. And he wasn't done though. Look at this just get rank. He he's he's done that president this one to doing what do you think about that? When you're when you're playing a former teammate like that like, what's the? Well, you know, their strengths and weaknesses practice. The gift of Milan. A lot of time and just like any professional environment. The person that feels like they're not getting opportunities currently where they are are always mumbling everybody, including teammates what they would do if they got minute. Exactly of. Okay. Actually. So when you go back to play against your former team, that's your chance to show improve. But the problem is like you said he was going against Janas and the Greek freak hat thown, meet meet as maker it really was. David Griffin specif- time round ESPN, and vile counts. As one of the nice people great person to hang out with you know, he's formerly worked with the Cavs. And he is now the executive vice president of basketball operations for New Orleans pelicans during his introductory press conference. He had a very optimistic approach. Let's just listen to extremely optimistic. Relative to the opportunity. Lies ahead of us in the form of Anthony Davis, Rich, Paul and I have spoken about Anthony. We're both excited about what we could potentially build here. You're either all the way in or you were all the way out, and there is no in between when the measure of success in your franchise is going to be championships in generational excellence. This is not something that we negotiate about. This is not something we make allowances for this is something that you live every day of your life. And I have every reason to believe Anthony will want to do that. He gets my vote so running for governor Davis all the way is running for mayor is he all the way. What do you mean? All the way in. He's. Ball. So these of he's got long relationship when he was at the cat. Let me tell you what him and Rich Paul talked about the Anthony still wants to leave. You know, he went through member their contract gave tristen remember the JR. It's a two way street come on ridge Naga be able to do it can't put that toothpaste back in the two and also now it's carry through the fan base. And so once that happens he's already knowledge that he wants to leave. They're going to be suitors with Griffin is doing is trying to make potential trade partners feel like he's not desperate. But it happened before you got there. And there's nothing to do about it. I just I just you know, what I respect this. I respect this. I respect the fact that he's just letting speaking right into the microphone stare in. The fan base is saying I'm optimistic about an opportunity with Anthony Davis others say about opportunity to train Anthony Davis, get something. Good back. Here's what I also -ticipant happening. So when you see it at the bottom of the ticker, it's gonna be like, wait a minute. That's broken news. Not only would a trait. Anthony davis. They're going to trade one of my favorite. Underrated guards in the league through holiday. It's all I think when you hired you hired David Griffin. You say, you know, what we need we need something new to happen here. So I wouldn't be surprised if that did happen. It is time for what's your number. New Zealand teenager is trying to break a Guinness world record by spending more than thirty two hours using a playground. Swing. Jalen rose. What is your number to spend over thirty two hours on a playground? Swing. While at a hurt your butt hurt. Can't get out of your eyes. Feeding air really a long time circulation thirty two hours I wouldn't have to miss a lot of work because I could probably take a day so off which is rare for you. I'll say. Five hundred thousand five hundred thousand to spend thirty two hours on a playground. Swing. My numbers probably like five hundred. So we're going to do. No. Well, you know what? People making too. You hit. Five hundred. Give me this. We're going to get this doll doing that. He's not going to be able to do who's gonna be able to. You know, ju said it. You know, what clown meet with a pistons win in the first half. Now about the clown. You thirty two hour. No chances happens. But it would be nice to be wait for my children for thirty. You know, what I mean, they're not around. Maybe we can make this happen. Jalen, it's time for one of our signature segments. It's time for soften. Rob gronkowski. Freshly retired SuperBowl champion he was at Red Sox game, and he had the Lombardi trophy. So what did he do? He used at Lombardi trophy as a baseball bat and dented the most coveted piece of metal in the NFL Jalen rose using the Lombardi trophy as a baseball bat, soft move or boss move, boss move. Here's why was that. He got a few of. That's what I'm saying is like ain't no big deal to us. You do this was from two thousand nine hundred that's out there against I like versus like, oh my God. Don't look at it. Don't let anybody can we fix it. Yeah. I say we got spare. None this one special and baseball's depending on how hard somebody was throwing it coming at you. It's really impressive that he actually make contact nothing. I'm thinking, I'm like, I thought that would be a little more solid than that. That's a problem. He has me. It was the but they don't practice button in major league baseball. Anyway, you know, remember when Jason Tatum don't LeBron. Well, Jason Tatum remembers here's how he remembers. He put up a huge picture of himself dunking on the broad in his house picture of yourself dunking on LeBron James in your house off over boss move ultimate boss Malloy, disagree. You do. I disagree. Where do you think LeBron James ranks amongst basketball players of all time number one. So if you're able you're wrong, but if you're able to dunk on that guy, most people don't get a chance to get on the court with that guy. You should celebrate it especially in the house that you pay dollars for playing in the NBA totally makes sense. Allow me explain my thinking, I agree. Should celebrate. That moment you should put up the picture in your house. You should do all. That you can't do it. Now, like, retire, gray hair. Like me, you know, what I mean? So you can look back on it. You can't do. The league. No, no, no. You wanna wait? 'cause you behind you print them out you get the size. Right. You got name time and effort, though, he really had no agree because life is hard. You know, and one of my favorite quotes, come from rock. You know, and it just talks about the fact that this world of beat you to your knees. And keep you there if you let it and every time he gets the chance to walk in his crib. He see himself talking on the Brown. And he like, you know, what I'm ready to tackle whatever's outside I'm gonna. I'm gonna make a prediction. Lebron James good Tatum. Leagues I'm gonna find that play duck on this to Ronnie go coming dunk on moving the cardinals released their schedule. Hype video you know, getting their their fan base excited about the season and who they're playing win. And all that one thing though, Josh Rosen. They're starting quarterback was not in the hype video not putting your starting quarterback in the height. Video soft move or boss soft move because let me get this. Right. New GM new coach you're trying to sell us on a vision. You're trying to play smoke and mirrors as to draft approaches, you waited a week or you added them in the. Added them in the air, and they take him out. Time out you'll want to put them in there. Just lost all your Levick. Tell you exactly like if I had an offer on the table for Josh Rosen. And then I saw this. It might change. I'm not like it watch. Did what? Oh, really second third round. Oh, yeah. And now if you don't move them we talked about this with their car. We talked about this Anthony Davis. Now, you don't move. It's awkward. It's awkward moving on. Let's check in on wait and see what he's been doing. While he's been retired. You know, he's had some times on the golf course. Chugging his own wine out the bottle jail rose you drink a lot of wine. You know, it's your drink of choice. Do you ever check it out of the bottle chugging wine from the bottle sophomore boss move? Don't chug it out of the bottle, but living your best likely retirement. When you got so many zeros in your account that it doesn't matter is a boss move, really because you're the Gulf aficionado on this show. I love to golf I'm very bad at it though. But what do people normally drink on the golf course beers? Okay. So he has his own line. Does not being sold. Bought a golf course. And you know, how tight? Right now, they wanna take his membership tight there. Dwayne Wade is on the golf course drinking his own wine that he brought, sir. Should I do something about it? Someone had to think real hard be like. How much did he donate last year? He can do try to stop them from doing it in the future not environment. He brings a bag out. They're going to be like what's in the bag? Big time cast. Yes, indeed a listers. Now, Akali Sobat. Yes, cut the check. Look at you. An Email and extension a desk and everything. Best. The first thing, right. Gets that you want so huge for the last night from Brett Gardner hit a grand slam against the rival Red Sox. But I'm not gonna talk about the game. I wanna talk about after the game. Okay. Y'all have a fall sheen. In life in love. People found out though. Music. Fever name was giving me crap about it. But man, we want to celebrate every win season. It gets the drag. So we wanna have fun and enjoy everyone, and you know, it was the big sweep yesterday. So we we put the fog on just us talking who brought the fog machine. Machine. The lights. My different teams doing it. I think Minnesota was doing it. And then Houston was doing it when the year that they won and it just fine, man. And we we have such a young team at you know, you wanna have fun and kind of break the season up. So anytime we could really really celebrate a win. We try to support specially against your rival. I support it. I fully support. It a great player. You have veteran you so very accomplished at pitching. Thank you. The White Sox. However have a player that baffling yesterday through the bat just through that hit a. After hit a Tim Anderson. How would you respond to something like that? And what did you think? Once he hit the whole runoff, brag Keller about his bat toss, I didn't mind it. I didn't. I don't mind it at all, man. And I think maybe because I was a hitter when I was younger, you know, that I still enjoy like watch people hit and kind of celebrate that. So I don't ever mind when I'm pitching them out there. And if a guy does that I never see it 'cause I'm looking at the ball. Anyway. So I mean, it really doesn't make a difference to me. And I think you know, that the tag life MLB this year was let the kids right that employees let them play. So he's part of it. So we also saw them like little skirmish. So every job out from the dugout when you see that happening you like to jog out here. Not push. Nobody depends on it depends on the situation like that, you know, our show. Trying to. Distinctions like job out or you spring going. But I mean, you know, like I said it's a long season. So anytime you had little those little skirmishes that that helps too. Now that your colleagues analysts and major league baseball. You're gonna be asked him some questions and the guy, you know, look at some tape. Let's just take a look at one of the best pitchers in the game. No sin guard on the mount. And if you look at his fingers here, he's holding the ball. No regular stuff. Here's you want us to have that on our fingers. We wanna know what a ball is going. They don't want us to not know where to have a feel, you know, in in the box and he's throwing a hundred and two miles an hour. He needs to know where to ball's going, and it's just all about the field. And and kind of you know, nor on getting a grip in over the Baltimore it's crazy that it's illegal to me. I feel like, you know, the hitters use pine tar, and they have a grip and everything we need to us. You know, we should we should have a legal substance that we can use that could help us grip the ball. I remember George Brett famously had too much pine tar rushed out when he got challenged. He wasn't talking. What I want to ask you does it matter to the fan or to the hitter or the integrity of the game. What he's probably rubbing on his head. And then putting on the ball. I think I think it matters. I don't think the players matter. I don't think the players care. I think I think like I said, I think the hitters, you know, they they want us to have a feel about what a ball's going and kind of feel overthrowing the ball. I think the fans get more roundup about it more. So than anything just picking that. We're trying to cheat. Doctor the ball and making the ball move is really about just having a good grip in and bigger that you can figure things I'm pretty sure it was cold affiliate at night early in the season. So it's just one of those things where you're trying to get a good grip. I was watched it thirty four I would love to play as long as you. What's the secret to your lawn? Jeffy is I was watched it thirty four. Learning. Learn how to pay and actually have more fun doing it this way. I wish I had to stop process when I was younger, I feel I gotta be a lot better. It's a good answer. So last season you haven't sent his incentives built into your contract you need like one hundred fifty five hundred fifty three. And then you might have just a pitch might have gotten away from you. And you hit a batter stopping two innings short of five hundred thousand dollar bonus. When you through that pitch. Did you know that it's gonna cost you half a million dollars? I didn't care is this all about taking care of your guys. Protect your teammates. And you're not felt like they they violated us, and you know, trying to throw one of my guys, and you know, it's just all about your teammates. And in that moment, that's all I could think about and. Yeah, it was worth it. Jalen if you had a one hitter going in major league baseball a one hitter in the sixth inning in a pitch we cost you five hundred thousand dollars. Would you throw it? It depends on how much my career earnings where. Chocolate to the one here does not especially like a known here. It was just a one hitter. So it wouldn't be big basketball question from the bay. And you love the warriors. They lost boogie. You think they're vulnerable now in the west. I do I'm a little nervous especially with a healthy sea P three and the rockets looking good. Yeah. I mean in and just the way kind of they're playing right now like Katie leading Pat Beverley get under the scandal. Little bit is just they just kind of weird vibe more soda any other word team that I've seen that one championship years past. So yeah, I'm a little nervous. But they're still great, and they have staff, and they have clay and obviously had the best player in the world. And katie. So, you know, hopefully, I'll find a way to pull it off. Best way, actually. Every since he left all cases. Who best best player in the world. I mean, I mean name one better LeBron James even around this year. Last year when the photos if he. Last two years in a row, the average is twenty five eight and all of a sudden everybody forgot about. Oh, yes. We forgot about him is just giving Katie is perhaps like, hey. Lebron couple years just there we have to give him his props over right now. This is definitely the second best player in his team. On his team. People have been a mass katie's accomplishment since he left. Okay. See when they talk about who they're going to build around people don't say his name. I when they talk about who's gonna win MVP conversation. And he's the king of the court. He don't wanna last two finals MVP's. Thank you putting that who've had a great you're in the middle of great accomplish major league baseball career. But I know listen to your podcast, we've Ruko that you are going to have a Greek of a long career in media, man. Thank you. Welcome to the tea. We could ever. Ever. Let us know you come back this to your anytime. Appreciate it guys. Jalen rose. Jess don't look like they're putting up much of a fight against the rockets. James harden, had a playoff triple double with thirty two thirteen and ten Jila rose. What are you seeing from the rockets so far in the series? They have an identity Monterrey's teams actually do Utah. There's strength in numbers starts on a defensive end in hope. Donovan Mitchell can take over ofensive Lii, and he has not been able to do. So in the second playoff run before the rockets, we know play it off as his two three layups or Danz or get to the free throw line. They had the best guy in the league at doing. So in James harden, and he's been magnificent. So far I was watching that game. And James Harden's does things I've just never seen before in a basketball court. He takes the step X every step back that doesn't mean the defenders not right in his space with a hand up. And he hits it like it's a practice shot. It's craz the one thing I will always make sure I acknowledged for today's player is. I have never seen the NBA were so many people can make contested shots from long distance. Accuracy on the move with a hand in his face. Not even straight up and down leaning to his left still hitting it off balance their own is left side. He still takes step with his left foot raises Schuster three get file inmates it, and he is so allusive with his dribbling ability, and he's so good going to the hold as dependent don't really know what he's gonna do. Let's take a look at this play with Ricky Rubio here. He shakes Rubio Jamie's at the top of the court. You gotta make this shot. James how you shimmy Mr. shot because Simi lose Jimi Makasi not from the DMV. And that's what they do at the free throw line ally. K D, for example, that wasn't his move shoot him. She was off air for young basketball players. Don't try to sell home. Yeah. I know it looks good. When James harness crossing, Ricky Rubio and he bought to fall. But when you're playing basketball do a great move and make the shell. I've wish he made that shot if you made that shot and goes on the highlight reel if he misses the shot Joe Jacobi sitting there making fun of moving on do you. Remember that elbow then be put in jail now too strong Elvin Alec rose by checkup stay in the game. Which is impressive. Ooh. You know, who notice that this happened? The nets noticed and remember the presser afterwards and Simmons and be whereas you would say keying about it. The nets have noticed and Karras Lavertu said that it was this respectful. Do you think there will be some sort of retaliation game three tonight? There will be retaliation. We'll see in what form if it happens in. A down screen where the guy just going to run through. Joel is it going to happen when he's trying to get a rebound? Somebody just really takes out his hips and his legs. Is it going to be when he shooting the ball somebody really wax at his armour shoulders and for player who's been injury prone? Yep. You would think that he doesn't want that level of physicality and our engagement which is why a lot of times he ends up shooting more threes than he actually should as the best post of big. We have in the league is Joel Embiid. However, I don't like how he invents Simmons as NBA brethren handle their press conference because Allen could have still been injured in the effects of that elbow. It could have gotten worse with it happen. Could it knocked his teeth out his jaw? Absolutely. So you wanna win? You want to be competitive. You wanna have fun. However, you don't wanna laugh at somebody and kick somebody when they're down. I just didn't like Jalen your Indiana Pacers team in some very contentious series will call it would you have discussions about any sort of. Yes. What would would it sound? Like, what would you plan? What you will do easy when they're going on the run for shot, for example, Dale follow once it on the same play Antonio come in on the same. 'cause they only would call it one time. It'd be premeditated. If cars how often with these discussions occur. All the time. Really easy. Big about the teas we were playing games. We're planning is Mike Scotti. But then they had Rodman. Okay. We're playing against spree and Allan Houston and Patrick Ewing. But they had Oakland Mason. So like that is the fiber of the game like going against philli to add to Kim bay Matombo. And so like this is embedded in. What happens the physicality of the game? And I do and -ticipant. The nets are going to take that moment person. Join beat he mixes it up like he's been involved in a lot of hold me back moments. Nothing. But like he's been involved in a lot of them in his short career Blat Seoul this year with the ball throw incident. Jared Dudley had some criticism of Benjamin's game. He said, quote, Ben Simmons is a great player in transition. And once you get them in the half court. He's average interesting criticism coming from Jared Dudley Benson is heard about this. It was like, oh, that's just Jared Dudley. Jalen, what do you think about this criticism? Benjamin's one of the life traits that I try to embody and mature with is understanding that sometimes your critics. All right. And it doesn't matter who deliver in the message. So you could dismiss Jared Dudley and say he's not a superstar or he doesn't have five champions five championships. But guess what you need to have an opinion a mouth. That's all you need or social media. That's all you need. And so it doesn't lessen the message because it comes from Jerry. Dudley versus if it came from Michael Jordan would that being said, he's right. I I think too because in the half court it's about pace, but more importantly about space, and what I mean by paces your cuts your post ups how you get into your office because the defense is sick, right? If you have one guy the can't make a free throw a won't attempt to jump shot that makes you a liability in a lot of ways I understand where he's coming. If you go into your mental Rolodex of all the amazing plays. Ben Simmons has accomplished in the league. A lot of them are in transition. It also when you watch especially the end the games like he doesn't he gets the ball. He drives the whole he doesn't really look to finish. He's looking to kick into somebody like, I think Jerry kind of right? And I think Ben Simmons knows that too. And in today's game. Like, I don't think average was a diss. Oh, good point Havers. He could've said below. Average, and I probably would've still agree in half court. So again, he's a young player. He and Embiid our young men they're gonna learn on the fly both of the missed their initial rookie seasons based on injuries. They're leading a basketball team for the second time in a long playoff run that they hope they got expectations now and Jimmy Butler and Tobias hairs, I get it. But there's a level of maturity that both of those guys are going to need to have. If this process is going to turn into a championship. Jalen, I'm glad you brought up his maturity because there's something surface about Ben Simmons is to do with encore behavior. But it's interesting nonetheless, he was asked about an incident in Orlando in Michigan game in let's just see how he handled it. Let's list and story. Your news Mr. Landau game 'cause you're out partying. And I just you have common, and I just reaction though about regular-season. Yeah. The most recent. Listen wanna talk about something else somewhere? He denied he didn't say, no, no way wasn't me. He didn't say who did that who said that Jalen. You're retired. Now. Not talking about from the NBA. I'm talking about. Okay. You're retired. Champagne, a campaign hall of fame member has this ever happened to players go out and then miss games. The next night. All know is this. They're the team that I'm in the hall of fame for I'm I teen. Okay. The been never be that champagne campaign. You are you you might not be NBA hall of fame. Share paint camping. And here's the deal each player. Just like anybody that has a normal job profession business, or whatever there's certain people can function on less sleep. There's certain people that could be out to we hours of the morning. Still get themselves ready to go perform the next day. Legendary NBA tales Google all of the people that I put in the champagne caffeine. All however, you can't have allegations surrounding your name that you missed a game because he was getting it in. There are a lot of players that have been in his league. Even if you can't go, you must go, even if you don't feel like it, even if you know, he's still hung over from the night before you still got to find a way to put that uniform in another thing is I don't think allegations like this come out of nowhere. You know what I mean? And if he had a twist an ankle or via had day that he needed a rest. He would have just said it right there. To those reporters like this doesn't come out of nowhere. And usually, you know, how it works people stare at their phone all day. So you already noted somebody knows once it gets to the New York Times daily news, right? You know, you're going to be asked about yes. Good point. So that was his prepared answer. That's a good point. Because it's not like this reporter just brought it to his attention. If something like that is out in the world someone's going to tweet at you. You're going to see it on social like he knew that. He was gonna be asked about this. And his answer was we're talking about those regular season over to talking about the players right now come on. I don't believe you. Jalen rose. Do what I love. I love an NBA playoff series. When this chippiness on the court, and there's some verbal jabs off the court. And that's exactly what we have with the Sixers and the net. I would say of the three games we have tonight. I'm most excited to watch that contest. I'm not sure who's going to win. But I am sure that these teams are starting to really not like each other. And that's what makes good good NBA series and proximity helps when you trying to create a rivalry wanna east coast both in the Eastern Conference. They're both on the come up. I know we talked a lot about Philadelphia in their process Philadelphia. Is it the only team that was trying to transform itself? The nestles just doing different it was just doing it through trays doing via draft building quietly without the hype. So now that the nets have outplayed expectations and put themselves in position to be in the playoffs. They've now become a stumbling block for the Sixers who have all of the expectations and people like me predicted going into the playoffs. That they were actually gonna win needs. It's interesting because if you're Elton brand right now, you're like I did not trade away players to bring Jimmy Butler who's at the end of his deal. And then try to players to bring into his hairs who's at the end of his deal to lose in the first round and resigned both of those guys too big deals after losing in the first round. I if they go out the first round Ellen's gonna have some questions to ask an answer or second round. Ooh. You don't make those deals for that. You make those nine it's finals that there's a lot on the line not just tonight. But in this series for the seventy Sixers franchise there's so much online for the nets. They already had a great season free money. They already had a great season. And when you play with that kind of freedom you see the results that you saw game one. What results I wanna see his biggie? Get a statue in front of the Bill. I mean, what do we have to already have to registering we've been talking about this year? I'm have to raise strong release. We got captain America removed. Yeah. The job I ask for that moving on the nuggets in the Spurs. This is a very. Waiting series to me. It's tied one one. I have no idea who's going to win this game. I don't even have an opinion someone who's going to. I don't know. What do you think about tonight's match up between the nuggets and the Spurs Hong cook it, and I know pop as a all time great at what he does isn't satisfied ever losing a game. But for them to go to Denver and get a split. It was clutch for them to be up dig in game. Two was huge that does provide a level of confidence for the Spurs. But the nuggets as a two seat and getting Jamal Murray. Going getting Gary Harris going getting Paul Millsap going. The jokers been balling all year as a young collective they may have found themselves. I love their debt. I talk a lot about Moore's talk a lot about Beasley creek and even give them quality minutes called upon. So I think the nuggets still find a way to win the series. Jalen, the clippers had store comeback down. Thirty one came back. One the game. Got it. So much of the talk about this warriors clipper series has been about two people. Kevin Durant and Pat Beverley Kevin Durant was asked about how Beverly has been defending him. And he had a very interesting answer. This is in the care plan giving defense which has been working top lock and everything remedy so not even looking at three point line. It just forcing guys three point line. So for us when I get the ball of my spots. You know, I got a pest Patrick Beverley who's up when the Neath me definitely shoot over top score every time if there's a one on one situation, but we gotta got dropping and help him. And then we got another guy that's sitting on you. Wait, wait for me to basketball. I'm not going to get in the way of the game. Because you know, I wanna have a little back and forth. Patrick beverley. I'm Kevin Durant. No way. No way. I love it. I'm Kevin Durant. You know, who I am y'all know who I am. What do you think about katie's comments? It reminded me of Muhammad Ali because he taught us to say that he was degraded. Before he actually was. This reminds me that Katie went back after the first couple of games. Like, wait a minute. The hairline has me going back and forth with Patrick whatever. Leave. I need to get my life in order. They should be talking about me going back and forth with Paul George or the Greek freak or James harden, all Brian James and shop the Patrick Beverley for getting under these the clippers implored distractedly before it was with Chris Paul, and he got a K D will also too good point. So this is something that K D now has to remedy which is why I'm going to write down a number that he's gonna lease get tonight, easy, thirty thirty five number one thing. I love about this the katie's like I could score every time I score. Everytime. It was a one on one situation. He's just he's Pat. Beverley no, like, I know you think you're great defender, but I can score on every single time. And you know what? Right. Don't forget to call ninety five eight zero Jalen leaves voicemails, ladies, we always need voicemails from you for women crush, Wednesday international, callers, we're gonna make a special day for you to whether you are international person in the domestic United States or someone from the message in the United States in international lands. Call leave us voicemails at ninety five eight zero Jalen right now, we're taking all callers, just like this. Jacoby to Long Beach down. I'll read first and foremost appreciate you guys so much, you know, formal of paying a little bit of the pain of something for trophies. You got to talk about the other day. I'm here for them. But my thing is I like different sides participation trophies. If you wear I get the biggest trophy take last you get the ball trophy, the kids need to have that feeling of wanting to come back and getting bigger one getting the better one it kinda drives you and he kinda puts you a little further. Let me know what you guys think. Again, I'll read they have you on the park guy guy. Mario from Long Beach pre sheets. You percent agree agree. I agree as well. I remember coming up getting a couple of second place trophies. And looking at the person that got the first place trophies and being like looking at my second place trophy gain. And be like, yeah, I be you're not I agree. And. I like when young people participating sports, and our activities, they should always get something or so wack league. They should always get some to a certain age. But like, my son is five, you know, what I mean, always get something when you're five six seven we start to get ten eleven you know, what I mean like then we can start talking about. I'm second third, and I'm gonna give you another reason why they should always get something beyond the fact that they're just young young children. Parents pan for their kids to participate. So that's the reward in return for that participation that they should get a shirt they should get a trophy. They should get something shouldn't be like old. Thanks a lot. This things are expensive to Kevin kids expensive. It's expensive swim classes on how much. With everything costs man, it's expensive. Thank you. Mario for the call. Don't forget everybody come ninety five eight zero Jaylen Lewis voicemails. Thanks sees a bath year for coming through. And I wanna thank all of our listeners for calling nine eight five eight zero Jalen, and I actually want to know this. What is the appropriate amount of wings to order by yourself? I say about nine Jalen rose. You said what twenty five that's insane? It's an say that's an insane number Jalen rose. You do this a lot though like you'll order to entrees. We're gonna take one home. All right. Okay. Thank you so much for calling nine five eight zero Jalen leaving us a message. 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Hour 2: QB Continued

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Hour 2: QB Continued

"In his radio the ESPN APP Siriusxm Channel Eighty Espn News. I'm Jason Fitz presented by Progressive Insurance Happy Friday. Holy cow past the TYLENOL. You made it to the end of the week. We'll get you some headlines. You need to know not surprisingly at this point the MLS has just begun discussions with MLS Players Association about having players except significant salary cuts through the Rona virus pandemic according to multiple sources. The talks took place on Thursday by conference. Call that included the MLS Commissioner Deputy Commissioner and the MLS Executive Board so these discussions come amid the backdrop of the League wide shutdown. That's been in place since March twelfth. We'll see what it means for the MLS people moving forward speaking of changes interesting here Interesting moment I should say the. Nfl draft is going to be held as a mock virtual draft on Monday. So the teams get a chance at a trial run before the actual draft kicks off under these unprecedented circumstances later in the week so the exercise likely is going to give GMC opportunity to redraft some NFL legends according to ESPN's Dan Grozny on of course teams do not want to tip their hand at all. At what their actual intent is so they'll use legends to go in and give everybody a A an opportunity to sort of at least practice with the draft process. Looks like a little bit of College Basketball News. North Carolina Freshman Cole. Anthony projected lottery pick as declared his eligibility for the NBA draft. He did that today in the announcement. That coach Roy Williams and the staff North Carolina as well as his teammates and fans. He's ranked eleventh in the ESPN top. One hundred for the twenty twenty draft after averaging eighteen and a half points five point seven boards and four sis- per game for the tar heels. He did Mrs Significant Chunk of the season following surgery but he has now declared his intent to enter the NBA draft. Its first your take on. Espn radio the ESPN APP. Siriusxm channel eighty. Espn news. Find something fun to do. It's Friday remind yourself that it's Friday. Get out take a walk through something different that you don't usually do enjoy the fact that you made it through the week. Even though the days all start to run together. Let's at least still find joy in Friday's is that's always going to be a big deal for all of us but we're going to get some straight talk we're asking you guys chime in two straight talk wireless. Raskin you guys to Chime in throughout the course of the day. I want you to know what I want you to tell me what you think of. All of these topics is it starts. And we're going to start with a little bit of splash. Brothers here right Steph. Curry and Klay Thompson had tremendous success. Obviously but after recent story in a book about the potential they they would have been traded to the New Orleans Hornets in two thousand eleven. The question is would clay and Steph had as much success if they had been chiming. Tell me what you think. Triple eight say. Espn eight eight eight. Seven two nine three seven. Seven six with the splash. Brothers have been great no matter where they went. Even if that meant New Orleans in the meantime while you guys get your take stacked in. Let's hear Stephen a maximum. What they think about this last brothers in their accomplishments no matter where they would played. I'm partial to shooters and I believe Steph curry to be the greatest shooters we've ever seen in the history of basketball and I believe Klay Thompson to be one of the top five. Judas we've ever seen in a game of basketball we gotTA remember. It's not just bird. I go back to the day. The downtown Freddie Brown with the Seattle Supersonics to Peel Ellis Ricky Pierce. And this is before Reggie Miller and Ray Allen and Allan Houston and those guys. I'm talking about there. Was I mean I listen? I grew up. I'd allies when everybody was loving doctor. Jay and I certainly love Dr J. Julius Irving I was an Andrew. Toney fan for the Philadelphia. Seventy sixers who I believe arguably had one of the greatest of not the greatest mid range shooting game. We may have seen in the history of basketball. His mid range game was just lethal. But I'm telling you right now. This back court is degraded shooting back court that I've ever seen in the history of basketball. I've never seen anything like it and I believe that when you have shooters like that. It's not to denigrate in any way. Draymond green who plays his role exceptionally well. Alita champion all of that other stuff. But I'm telling you right now. It's easier to find the parts. Necessary fought to win. When you have guys who could shoot long range mid range short range free. Throw line the way. These two brothers can't shoot Steph and clay auto real deal I. I don't. I'm not saying they might have won. They would have won three championships and win the five straight NBA finals. But I think they would have won a couple of championships together. No matter where the hell they were I don't think they would want any together off. The warriors certainly not the Hornets. I totally disagree first of all. Let's recall what happened in Golden State. They WanNa Championship against the Lebron. James Team missing not only Kyrie Irving but also Kevin love. It was Lebron James and Matthew. Del of Dover is the second best player on the team and by the way they went six games to me. Clear head Lebron been crewed up. He beats in that year. If you go in six games with the Dove second-best what about when Kevin Love is third? You'RE GONNA win that series. By the way the next year the warriors got even better one seventy three games and the cavs beat them. It took a joining of Kevin Durant like when durant joined them. Then it was like OK game over. How do we know that happens with the Hornets? That's one two. How did they even get to the position where they were in the finals in the first place just because they had the great shooting backward of all time no and in fact if you look at the history of the League and I realized the Warriors Have Changed History in a way in this respect? It's never the two best shooters who were winning the two best perimeter players of big and another perimeter player. That's usually a formula. Not just two guys who can shoot the lights out. Klay Thompson is a great player. He's going to be in the hall of fame. One day he's capable of getting hotter than anyone ever scoring twenty six points in a quarter and that was his second best quarter one year second quarter because he set the record with thirty seven that set the second player important player on the warriors that enabled them to do what they do is draymond green. It's ticking and roll partner. It's the guy who when he was shooting allows you to play five out. It's the passing the ball. And all that stuff from your so called big it that really revolutionize it made it small ball. And why were they all use that way? Mark Jackson did a great job development developing them instilling confidence. Get into play defense. But if you look at the offensive rating it was near the bottom of the League compared to what they had. Steve Kirk comes in then they change everything and then you not only have those draymond green who had mentioned what about Andre Iguodala Allah Audrey Good Dolly growing on trees. It's like it's not so. Oh yes sure you can just replace Andrei Igwe dollar finals. Mvp look the warriors. Were very smart. Very lucky and still before K. D. joint were also lucky to even win one championship. I don't see that for the Hornets I take your take on. Espn RADIO AND ESPN news. I'm Jason Fitz. That's some straight talk. Straight talk wireless everything for less only. Walmart system has to matter. And that's I'll keep saying this because every athlete I've talked to. Espn will kit. We'll just sit there. And former athletes athletes. They will tell you all day long especially after their careers over. That System Fit matters coaching matters. Did they find a way to get the best out of the athletes in we constantly look at players for why they stink and we rarely look at the systems there in to explain why they had great success? Why they didn't play well enough. There has to be some credit to system here and the evolution being willing to go out and run this system. Yes I understand that. Frankly these guys shoot so well. They could have been great with anywhere but could been this level of great and there is still some skill that even managing personalities. I mean that's one of the things that we're going to see. I think a lot of Phil Jackson from when we see the last stances weakened and and what we've seen from Steve Kerr is the ability in. This isn't credited enough from coaches the ability to come in and find a way to have all of these superstars and still have everyone feel like they get fed. I mean that's not simple to do. So could they have had tremendous success? Sure could they have had that level of success? That's hard for me to see. I mean I have to give some credit to this system not just to the players that in it. I take your take on. Espn RADIO ESPN news. We're taking your take on everything we go through. Don't forget tune into the last day behind the scenes. Look at the ninety Chicago Bulls Dynasty. Ten part series begins Sunday April nineteenth nine PM Eastern on ESPN. Listen to the RAPA. Podcast hosted by Jalen Jacoby immediately following the broadcast presented by state farm. At and T. Available wherever you enjoy your podcast. GonNa be interesting to see in that situation but also just to see Phil Jackson's really like behind the scenes so looking forward to all of that from that documentary in the meantime there's a little bit of NFL news. That came out yesterday in the form of Bill. O'brien speaking bill. O'brien spoke to the media. All the teams are doing that as we get close to the NFL draft and of course. If he's going to speak to the media he's going to be asked about his still head-scratching decision to ship off the Andrea a Hopkins for essentially nothing. This is what he had to say when he was asked about the Hopkins Trade. The production is there air and everybody knows that production is. I'd say with three years left on his contract. His representatives himself myself and our our team of people we spoke. We felt like relative to what I said earlier. Salary-cap future Our team being able to to to provide our team with more more role players layers of players. It was in the best into Savar team to move the Andrea to Arizona. That's Bill O'Brien stall on focusing specifically on money and the well documented report that the Andrei was interested in more money and even though he had years left on his contract. The question is is everybody buying the reason or the excuse the bill. O'brien gave for this trade Maxon Stephen h then but they were joined by very passionate. Marcus Spears to join to breakdown bill. O'brien's comments the reality of the situation is that there's been a mountain of evidence Throughout the years that Bill O'Brien has made his own decisions. I'm not saying he didn't consult with people or he didn't tell anybody but he's made decisions for personal reasons. The Audrey Hopkins was a personal reason dating get along bill. O'brien had a great relationship. With the Andre Aachen's the hopkins would still be a member of the Houston Texas. You know why because what he had marcus on his contract like two or three years left on his deal. This is a future hall of fame. He's had over one thousand receiving yards for the last five seasons. He's had over one hundred receptions the last two you have star young quarterback of in the Shawn Watson who loves this kid. They were like brothers with each other. They both went to the same university. Clemson University. And what have you? You know what Tom it is. You GotTa take that into consideration as well but what did you do? You decided three years two years in advance. You were going to make this decision on the Adriano because it's because y'all did not have an ideal relationship with each other and that superseded your football judgment I'm not GonNa sit here and tell you that bill. Brian doesn't know football. The man's been to the playoffs about four different tops. He's wondering division just as many times. Afc South we get all of that even though he has a sniffed at a title we understand all of that. But I'm not gonna I sort of job. That he did a Penn state which was a damn good job. I know what credentials he had as an offensive coordinator work with Tom Brady before he went to Penn State. I'm not here to impugn his his his football acumen a matter of fact. It's because of that that I know it's personal because him being a smart of a football mind as he is because he's certainly not a dummy. There is no way on earth. You move the Audrey Hopkins unless your personal feelings usurped and superseded your football judgement and accurate he could try to slice it and explain it any way he wants to the city of Houston. H Town needs to hold him accountable for this. Because for some reason Rick Smits. Gm has gone multiple other folks who've worked under him when they've struggled and then live up to expectations is gone somehow some way bill. O'brien is always the one who ends up standing since he's arrived in Houston. It seems to be everybody's fault but is at some point in time. H Town has to say enough enough. The moves that he's made it's costing US too much bill. O'brien needed a lawyer to be with him during his interviews. For somebody to tell them. Shut the hell up. I because you keep talking yourself into this whole first of all in today's NFL who inhale is planning for two three years out with you. Have a franchise guy fired me one organization. We talked about teams. Are you getting rid of players Bill Brown or you saying I got rid of the country Hopkins to start to beal layers of players for the Houston Texas in the future? First of all nerve to think you still go beaded. Who's telling you you can make these moves and we away two or three years from now to possibly have a run at winning the Super Bowl let alone trying to win more than one or two playoff games. The second thing is this and I love the points you brought up Max when you start talking about the value right we look at these receivers what they clearly give Beckham. Joe You what did they. What did what did they. What did buffalo just for step on deeds? What difference rounded for Brandin Cooks? What did they just get from Brandon Coats to go listen? This is personal to what you were saying. Stephen Eight this is bill. O'brien trying to emulate the GATT in New England. This is also Bill O. Brand having it's almost arrogant to tale your team that I'm GonNa get rid of arguably the best offensive weapon that we have because I want to build a three years from now. What the players know that they're going to be there two or three years from now for you to give him a chance to try to win in this overall grand scheme of a player you just got rid of one of the top three receivers in the NFL. Basically a third round pick and you want to sail to not only a franchise quarterback but the rest of the hill team. We build them for two or three years from now. Get the hell out of here. You're on ESPN news and Marcus. Speaking truth there I mean everything is so fleeting and temporary especially in the NFL. When you see a window you have to maximize window. And that's why I think it's maddening and frustrating to so many of us when we talked when we look specifically at bill. O'brien and what he hasn't been able to con to accomplish as the head coach right. Now you have to look across the board and say okay. What is he thinking? And how does it make the team better now? I understand say loudly. I understand that in with the Shawn Watson. Remember that he's been playing on his rookie deal right so we all know that at this point and there's going to be a massive uptake and how much he costs and so if you've receiver that's asking for more money and you're worried about these can understand trying to look at. L. I don't know maybe that's not the best idea. I understand why they're trying to be cautious when you were in the window. You're in right now and you haven't. He's just been wasted. This opportunity has been wasted. Not because they haven't made the playoffs not because they haven't been able to be competitive but because they haven't been good enough they have the type of guy that we should be speaking about in the same breadth that we speak a guys like Patrick Mahomes and they've had the weapons that should have made that attainable. So when you look across the board and you say what's the problem. Well the problems not talent and if the problem is talent and the problems the GM. So if the problem's not talent than the problem is to coach what do you do when they're the same person that's the difficulty when you let the same person? Run everything because as much as we can talk about what the Texans do or don't have the most important thing that the Texans do have is cap space so if you're going to look across from GM standpoint say worried about the extra money that he's going to cost an a few GonNa look at that as a reason why you're not going to sign him. Keep in mind even without a new contract for Shawn Watson which sure could cost what it. Let's say cost forty million dollars. Forty million dollars for Sham Watson in two years. This Texans team has a projected ninety seven million dollars cap space. So you WanNa tell me why you couldn't keep the weapon that makes your quarterback the best he could possibly be. That's what doesn't make any sense. The arguments don't line up the devil's in the details when it comes to this stuff and it feels like br bill. O'brien is just throwing spaghetti at a wall to see what sticks the trade and the lack of return is going to be an inexcusable portion of how we judge Bill. O'brien moving forward but I'll say it's rightfully so because the expectations should be high when you have talent. The expectations should be high. When you have brand name talent? And they've had that look at the guys. They've had on the defensive side of the ball during his time as head coach. And then you have a brand name. Talent quarterback that most teams would line up and give up anything to trade for. You've got somebody at quarterback into John Watson. That is not just good. He's great and what have you done with them? Have you maximized in the answer's? No why if it's about the roster than Bill O'Brien the. Gm should be fired if it's about coaching the roster than Bill. O'brien the head coach. Be fired but either way when you have somebody that's desperate because he realizes that he's not likely going to step back and take one of the two jobs more likely is that he's fired completely then he allows power to be stripped away. So now all of a sudden you've got somebody making the moves under the mindset of desperation and being able to sell a plan that plan of all we're building layers for years takes away any accountability for right now. We'll look of course production dip. We had to deal away our best wide receiver. Because we're trying to build for the future. I mean the the fact that there's such so much duplicity in the argument tells you that. Somebody's working with desperation. Desperation leads to somebody trying to save their job. And when coaching and running a franchise with desperation for a sales pitch that changes. By the minute you have no plan without a plan you have no structure without a structure. You have no point. The Texans are the worst kind of there are bad that can't be fixed easily because there's no plan of action to get them to better. That's why what Bill O'Brien has done. Not just as coach but also the general manager to the Houston. Texans is inexcusable. I take your take on. Espn RADIO AND ESPN news. I'm Jason Fitz. We'll take your take as we keep talking all things from I take today coming up. Got a little bit of Rams conversation you guys still in on the rams. Have you given up on the rams? The Rams can do anything this year. We'll take your take on a triple eight say. Espn eight eight eight seven nine. Three seven seven six. Where are you at this point on the Los Angeles Rams coming up? We'll talk about their underperformance and how they lost obviously a couple of big players this off season. So what's next for the team? One of their wide receivers join. I take today to break it down. You'll hear from next I on. Espn radio the ESPN APP. Sirius Xm channel eighty and ESPN news. We're about to get into the rams so I want your take you guys in on the triple eight say. Espn eight eight eight seven two nine three seven seven six. Are you out on the rams altogether going to get some of your take on it? We'll do that just a second. Triple eight say. Espn eight seven to nine. Three seven seven six. You can also tweet me. Add Jason Fitz presented by Progressive Insurance. Speaking of the Rams Cooper Cup joined. I take today to talk about underachieving last year. And what this off season has been like as they've lost. Todd Gurley and Brandin cooks man. I mean obviously. We Fell expectations as last year. There's no getting around that and losing brandon and todd incredible football players. But I wanNA talk that also just really you know quality. People that brought a lot to Our Team Bella to our locker room outside of what they bring on the football field. So I'm GONNA to miss those guys but We've got incredible football players Each of those rooms and You Know I. I can't wait until we can get back out in the field again So he's asking do with with the ball in their hands and You know there's you know you go back to the drawing board. I think a little bit. You refined your identity and You know our our expectations for our self haven't changed at all. You're losing these guys are. Expectations are standards. We hold ourselves to that stuff. Remains the same? It's just about staying true to that grinding. One day at a time saying the foundation and You know by the time this Hopefully we get to football field this year and play some ball but You know our expectations to go out there and compete for championships. I take your take on. Espn RADIO AND ESPN news. I don't remember the last time we saw team sort of fall so quickly in the perception at least in the amount of national coverage they get for everything that they're doing but The Rams are a great example of that now to be continued. We've done every day. We take a look at a different quarterback different team. And then we try and move to step forward by bringing on an expert will do that now as ESPN rams reporter. Lindsey theory joins the show Lindsey. Thanks for the time. Hope you guys are safe and everything's great out there when you look at the rams this year in the fall off from what everyone expected. What is a reasonable expectation? Your mind for the rams going into this season. Yeah that's really hard to predict the just given the strength of the NFC west. Obviously they finished third in the division. Last year of on paper the Arizona Cardinals have gone better this off season while the rams I mean when you look kind of position by position what they've done over the offseason. There's no clear upgrades. I'm they was a great benefit for them to re-sign Michael Brokers after it looked like he was initially leaving for the Baltimore Ravens but From Todd Gurley to brand cooks over on the Defense Dante Fowler. Cory Littleton. All those guys have been different makers for the rams the last few seasons and now they're all gone will. Where did this go wrong? Lindsey 'cause this is certainly wasn't the outcome we expected for the rams years ago. Yeah it comes down to the salary cap and the Rams Decision to sign todd really to a record-breaking deal and then to Right before that. They signed brandin cooks to a whopper of a deal. And then it was Aaron Donald Jared Goff and the way they were signing these yield people around the league. We're kind of scratching their head wondering houses when to work and The Rams insisted that it would continue to work. And then it all kind of catches up to them and now waiting in the queue to get paid is Jalen Ramsey So really it was just they were handing out money In such great amounts and so quickly that there was no real way in the long run to make any of this work. We're talking to. Espn RAMS reporter. Lindsey theory on I take care take. I'm Jason Fitz. So you mentioned the girly deal and he's obviously now with Atlanta. But the there was a moment there. Where Jared Goff sort of took the world by storm and everybody thought it was fixed. And he's he's spectacular. Now it feels like people are scratching their head again. So where are you on on him specifically as an elite quarterback in the NFL well? I can't be overlooked? That in his third season he did lead. The Rams are help them greatly at least a to a super bowl appearance and there were times that season when he absolutely spectacular now last season teams in their defenses opponents. Tend to know that Todd. Gurley wasn't necessarily the same todd. Gurley or at least the ramp using him in the same way which really put jared under the microscope and allow defenses to do some different things and we saw jared struggle Obviously girlies gone this year. So focused really turns jared so I think going into season five for him now. We are really going to see whether he is the quarterback who can leave the team new super bowl or whether he needs a really really strong supporting cast around him in order for him to be successful. Lindsey the joke a year ago is if you've ever had a dinner with Sean mcvay you were going to get a head. Coaching job in the. Nfl feels like some of that. Shyness dulled as well so What kind of is are there on? Sean mcvay right now is head coach to do something better with this team. Yeah I think there's a lot and that starts at the fact that he really overhauled his Coaching staff at least three coordinator positions over the off season he brought in an offensive coordinator because after Matt Leflore last For the Tennessee. Titans a couple of years ago. He didn't replace him. He was the offensive coordinator and he had kind of a duo Run Game Pass game coordinator but really that. I'll keep down to Sean. So he brought us some help there. as we all know he did not bring back. Wade Phillips so he hired a new young unproven defensive coordinator and then he lost his special teams coordinator so All of that really puts the spotlight on Sean. To figure out cable you brought in some guys who you wanted and We'll see if that they can give him the help needs but also If the defensive coordinator for the corner of any of that doesn't go well that's also on Sean so I think By no means is this if I any mean but it's he started. It looked a bit more critical. I after having so much excess. The first two seasons you mentioned earlier we're talking to ESPN RAMS reporter. Lindsey theories it's I take your take on. Espn radio I'm Jason Fitz. You mentioned Jalen Ramsey. Still sort of sitting in the queue waiting to get paid. What's the latest there? Yeah Rams have said that They've spoken with Jalen representatives. They're on the same page However they won't reveal what page that is The rams have really kind of stuck by The phrase that they're taking Kinda one step at a time. They are getting through frequency now. It's the draft. Once they get through that that they'll start looking at those extensions But obviously the rams gave up two first round picks to trade for Jalen Ramsey So a lot of the leverage is in Jalen Corner as they go to negotiate A long term extension and appear the ramp It looks like you really do have to get deals on otherwise It's going to really be a curious decision. Why you gave up two first round for if they don't get a deal done before the season starts. Does it become an issue you know we asked? You? I asked jalen knocked up before. He left for the off season and key to indicate that he would be holding out or and whatnot. He's indicated that you know. He wants his money but he'll be there. Now when push comes shovel really interesting to see how that goes when time comes over to report a camper however it's GonNa turn out This this summer But it's definitely to monitor because we all know that Jalen has made no qualms about it in the past about wanting to get paid and so it's either GonNa be showing a brings trucker or maybe maybe not at all we're talking to. Espn ramps reporter. Lindsey theory on I take your take Jason Fitz so I want to get your thoughts on something. You quote tweeted a couple of days ago from the L. A. Times the they're reporting that the Los Angeles mayor has told high level staffers. Several departments of big gathering sports and concerts might not be approved until twenty twenty one. Obviously everybody's looking for when sports can return but our the rams is an organization dealing with not on the NFL but also the government and trying to figure out when that return could happen. Yeah that's the interesting part of us a Los Angeles mayor and the Rams New Stadium is actually in the city of Inglewood. Which has its own mayor so on the city of Inglewood hasn't made any announcements as far as big gatherings and what they're anticipating. I'm so it's a little bit of You know kind of a logistics There with between being in Los Angeles versus Inglewood am I did reach out to the rams the other day to see Kind of what? Their thoughts were on. What the mayor was saying. Didn't receive a response But I think right now I mean what we've been told through this whole coronavirus situations that really just kinda taking it day by day and they're moving for planning is though the season's GonNa happen that the season is going to happen with fans And they're going to be willing to adjust Obviously as needed. Have you been able to get any sense on how comfortable they are? Lindsey with the draft process overall. That we're GONNA see in less than a week. Virtually being done. Well I know last week. They were concerned because Show McVeigh's house apparently doesn't have a hard wire for phone Jack for telephone so that was would've thought right So that was. The big concern was finding Hardware for a phone Jack But other than that. The Rams have great. It people so I think they'll be able to figure it out. They seem pretty technologically savvy outside and less need tends to make a lot of jokes about his ability to technology but I think they're pretty confident that they'll be able to pull it together. Like every other teams in the league. You guys can follow on twitter at Lindsey Theory Lindsey. We really appreciate your time. Stay safe out there. Thank you so much for the coverage expertise thank you so you know Lindsey breaking down and just a reminder obviously you know California is going to be a complication that the NFL won't know an answer to anytime soon. Triple eight say ESPN eight. Eight eight seven two nine three seven seven six guys out on the rams at this point. Eric in Washington. What's your take on the rams? Hey how you guys do on. Thanks for taking my call him. Hey you know. I'm all in Bro. I mean I'm a big fan so I'm kind of partial to that. But you got Malcolm Brown coming back. That got broke his arm in two thousand eighteen. That are Super Bowl. Run and He was on track to have a great season before that happened. Daryl Henderson behind him. I think he's going to have a breakout season this year. Got Robert Woods still. Who's probably the greatest route? Run and football period Cooper Cup Josh Reynolds and step up on defense. You Got Jalen Ramsey and Aaron. Donald obviously is built around him. Brocker came back. I think he's GonNa have a great year. I think floyd that we just signed is GonNa be in a come back. They're GONNA do good for us. Troy Hill and John Johnson. And we'll also got hurt last year is gonNA BE BACK SO I. I think it's really going to be a make or break year. We're GONNA find out. How good coach Sean Bid and we're going to have to find out how good your office at some point and this is that year. I love your take on love. The optimism might not be optimistic on it for now. Thanks for the call on. We'll say the opportunity cover in college football a couple of years ago kept an eye on Daryl Henderson. I've talked to Memphis all the time. Good buddies out there. I worked with their. Espn affiliate a lot. So they took me to Daryl Henderson before his last year Memphis we spend a lotta time breaking them down before the draft last year. I think he's going to be a star. He's a stud and he's going to be capable of putting a big yards for the rams so I think you're right about that Darryl Henderson. It's going to be a household name. I think by the end of this year. If you missed any of the show today including the interview that we just did with Lindsey theory to cover all things rams or the future of college basketball in the NBA. Was Sean Farnum. You can go check it out on demand. I take your take podcast brought to you by the capital one quicksilver card earning a limited one and a half percent cashback on every purchase everywhere. What is in your wallet coming to? The last dance documentary drops Sunday. The first take crew talked to one of Michael Jordan's former teammates earlier. Today you hear that next. It's first take your take on. Espn RADIO AND ESPN news. I take your take on. Espn radio the ESPN APP. Siriusxm channel. Avian of course ESPN news. I'm Jason Fitz when it comes to insurance steak harms the real deal with over nineteen thousand local agents and an award winning mobile APP. You can get the help you need when you need it. Find an agent or get a quote at State Farm Dot Com. It's that simple to go out and get yourself a quote so we're going to get the last dance this weekend and when you have the last dance coming that means we're going to be all eyes are on the Chicago Bulls won't take more of your take just a second triple eight say. Espn eight eight eight seven nine. Three seven seven six. What's it mean Jalen? Green has decided to skip college basketball and instead is going to go to the G. League what's it mean for the future of college basketball? We'll take some of your take on that but before we get there really cool moment today. B J Armstrong who you might remember from those. Both teams looked like he was about twelve years old and shot the ball lights out. These Jay joined. I take today to talk about what it was like playing with Michael Jordan life with Michael was was much difference because we knew we had a we have perhaps the greatest closer to ever play the game and we knew if the game was close especially in the last minutes of a game that we had an opportunity and more times than not. We were going to win that game. What we found out once George left is we could still play the game at a very high level but we didn't have that closer we didn't have the guy who can consistently night in and night out when all being broke down especially in the playoff series that you can just go get us a basket. We'll get us a shot and do what needs to do not only on the offensive end. But you must remember remember Stephen any that he was eight just as good as he was on the offensive and he was probably just as good that much better on the defensive in this world. Pj There's a story that I read about Jordan after the hiatus at playing baseball coming back and challenging you or you were challenging him to a game of one on one and he had his street clothes on. Could you do you remember that start? Eater remind me of US stories like that you know. I know he would call me during the course of that year and we were always just checked in would always checking on here on business. See how he was doing and he called me one day and said he was in town and we want to go to breakfast so I said sure you know. Let's you know I have practice at like ten o'clock eleven o'clock let's meet and we'll chat a little bit. Then one thing led to another and before I knew it. We were playing a one on one. He was the district close and I have to here on national television that I was beat by a man in street clothes and I was dressed practice. Ready to go so no excuses here and But if I'M GONNA lose I in his street clothes I it has to be Michael Jordan and I'm okay I take your take on. Espn NEWS ESPN radio. Yeah B J Armstrong. Having a little bit of self awareness there. Let's face it it. Being losing to Jordan one on one was the metric that you judged your own personal success by virtually everybody would be a loser alright. So can't for that on Sunday. We don't want to miss it. In the meantime we've been asked him for some of your take on what it means. Jalen Green has decided to forego college basketball and go straight to the G. League not used to see in that Jordan in North Carolina. What's it mean for college basketball? What's your take on it and thanks for taking my call man. It'd be doing well again. I think that yeah. Thanks man I think in the short term It does affect the quality of the game at the college level Because you know do versus North Carolina's a lot more interesting. When you get these I on Jaber go against you know someone like Kobe. White but at the same time You know those guys were using college like a pit stop. Why not just let him go meet their money because the the scholarship that someone like honestly Coul Anthony. Take it goes to a guy who wants to play North Carolina and who wants to college experience and be there for years so I think in the long run you'll starting to see some of those great teams that we haven't seen in the last couple of years because it's been a revolving door of one don's once your take on that. No I love what you're saying and look I can't say this loud enough. We always look at college athletes and say well what about education and they need to worry about going to school etc etc. Well I enlist you hold that same standard to your child actors and your child popstars. Last time I checked. Nobody ever sat down during Britney Spears meltdown and said man. I wonder if life would have been easier for her if she went to college. Like that doesn't happen. You don't sit there when you're at a Justin timberlake content concert and think about the fact that he didn't go to a normal high school right you don't you. Don't think about any of those things when it comes to that. You only do what it affects the sports you love. That's the way so many people re activists realistically what's Best. For College Basketball I think is to return to what it used to be wasn't a generation ago. Where you got into guys that you knew were. GonNa stay for multiple years and I've used the example because this year it was one of the best and and heart. Most heartbreaking stories in all of college basketball was the personal difficulties for caches Winston. Somebody that has just anonymous with Michigan State Basketball. Not just for now forever. Why because he stayed as long as he didn't have the tremendous sustained success that he did. There's an opportunity in my mind for college. Basketball to continue to grow fans are always going to love their favorite school. But if you have players staying longer they'll fall in love with some of those players that's an actual win opportunity that comes and if it means. A cream of the crop goes all elsewhere. That's fine to the guys that want to go get paid can get paid and it can still be just fine for the future of college basketball. That's for us today. That's IT for US coming up next after the. Nfl draft is all said and done well. The supply for quarterbacks be higher than demand will cain dive into that next. Thanks FOR LISTENING TO I. Take you guys make this a great day for me. I appreciate it.

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Hour 1: Last Dance Takeaways

"The first take your take. Podcast is presented by iino the capital one assisted. What's in your wallet? Espn RADIO ESPN APP. Siriusxm channel eighty of course. Espn News Jason. Fitz happy Monday. Let's get you started off with the headlines. You need to know from over the whole weekend. A little bit controversy for Bills Defensive Lineman and Oliver arrested Saturday night in his hometown of Houston on charges of driving while intoxicated and unlawfully carrying a weapon. He was taken to the Montgomery County jail after being pulled over on state highway. Two forty. Two full charges misdemeanors according to the jail's website. Twenty two year old. Oliver had an open beer between his legs and was determined to be impaired after a field. Sobriety test should be noted that Depending on the outcome of this it could result in a game suspension or up to a three game suspension for Oliver. So let's see how that plays forward. Also controversy over the weekend comes from Kentucky sports but not from the way you think. University of Kentucky has dismissed the entire coaching staff and the advisor of its powerhouse cheerleading squad after a three-month internal investigation that revealed a lack of oversight by those in charge and the culture of hazing public nudity and alcohol use. That's according to a release Monday. My Roommate Catholic writer has a great right up on on. Espn DOT COM. He Describes Kentucky's program is the Alabama football cheerleading world. Winning twenty four national titles in Thirty Five Years Boca. Those championships were earned under the coach. Who is now been let go? As a result of the hazing that they say was done by cheerleaders to leaders in front of coaches and advisors no action taken to stop it and lastly in the headlines from over the weekend NASCAR RANDOM DARLINGTON. Kevin Harvick won his fiftieth career. Race IS NASCAR returned over the course of the weekend. It was a four hundred mile drive unlike any in modern day. Nascar you guys saw at the grandstands completely empty. There wasn't a single tailgate not happening no parties but there was still a race and there was still a champion. Kevin Harvick beat Alex moment to win Nascar's first race back spectacle closely watched as we. Now we'll keep an eye on what it means for any possible corona virus implications post race. Those are the headlines. You need to know I take your take on. Espn radio the ESPN APP. Siriusxm channel eighty eight ESPN news. I'm Jay we're presented by progressive insurance. And it's Monday you've made it through the weekend. It was a sad Sunday night. Though I'll be honest I mean I was just like you guys. I sat there and watched the last. I prefer the one with all the naughty language and I sat there and watched the whole thing and he came to a close. I just and thought well the Hecker. We're GONNA talk about next Monday but we know what we're going to talk about today. Of course it's going to be last dance related. We're asking you to chime in a little bit of I take your take fun here. What athlete or team do you? WanNa see the next last dance on so you pick the season you pick the athletes team sport. Any of them are up for grabs. If you could get a last dance type documentary on any team or athlete for one season. What would be why tell US triple eight say? Espn eight eight eight seven nine. Three seven seven six. You can also tweet me at Jason Fitz. If twitter's any indication we're going to get a lot of different answers on this over the course of the next couple of hours getting triple eight say. Espn eight eight eight seven nine. Three seven six. What athlete or team do you want the next last and stock to be on before we get to that? Let's get take away from it. We'll start with some straight talk straight. Talk Wireless has the full court cellphone coverage and he'd get the unlimited plan twenty five gigs of high speed data. Then two G. Just forty five bucks saves you have to have the cost. A big carriers. Everything for less savings may vary see terms and conditions at Straightalk DOT com. They're straight talk. Came from Stephen Imacs as they took a look at the the finish of the last answer. The question is what were their biggest takeaways from the last dance finale. Well number one What he said about wanting to come back for seventh ring. He thought that they would win. It That would have been interesting to number two. How rhinestone got off the hook in terms of being cast as the ultimate villain people pointed to Jerry Krause when it was really Reinsdorf You know he definitely had his hands in that cookie jar but the thing for me that stood out above all else is the era in which Jordan played and the things that he had to endure on his path to success. When we see these guys into modern day is not to say they don't work hard. It certainly not to say that the ultra talented and things of that nature. But when I see that the the road that they had to travel and I compare that to what Jordan had to endure in route to capture his first championship and ultimately completing his sixth To me is just night and day in terms of what he had to endure compared to what the modern day players have to endure because of the rule changes that the NBA at implemented and things of that nature the physicality of the bad boy Detroit Pistons and followed up by Pat Riley's New York Knicks with Anthony. Mason Xavier mcdaniel before that and all of that other stuff I just think about that role and those battles those wars That Jordan had to endure into me just cements In my mind the fact that he is indeed the greatest of all time and as far as I'm concerned it's not even an argument Michael Jordan's greatest of all time certainly at his peak. The thing that jumped out to me honestly and I just like give way to hierarchical thinking you I know. There's the human drama and everything but it's just pretty obvious to me Jordan would have won ten championships if he never would have got into baseball and had had had Brian Dwarf. Who's really steal? You're right that's he's. He revealed himself as the villain by the end because he admitted that the economics didn't make sense they wouldn't have been able to keep it together nonsense. Of course you could have kept it together. They decided not to. He was playing a cheap rise. Door had that reputation in baseball. Also but the ten championships. Look the rockets. Don't get those. If Jordan stays they barely got by the Knicks in ninety four? When I say barely I don't just mean that. It went to a game seven in game six John. Starks took a three two win. It allows you got his fingertips on the ball sending it to a game seven. I mean they very nearly lost. The next bullet beaten them. Both seasons and then the Bulls had at least especially as Michael Wilbon points out in the strike shortened season or a lockout shortened season. That gives an older team that needs rest but advantage in fact and then I also pointed out that Scottie. Pippin the year after the strike shortened season. Which would be two years? After Jordan left for the final time the Bulls in that season Portland gave the Lakers everything they could want took them seven games. The Lakers won the championship. That your meat. Scottie Pippen Portland. You mean to tell me Scotty Pippin with Michael Jordan and whoever else they would have brought in to put around because Robin was done by with coach and everybody doesn't get one more game in Portland. Did against the Lakers. But but guys even if you if you say no they lost one. They would have lost that one. Even a cynic would say that win at least eight out of ten years. I mean we're just never going to see something like that again. The other thing that jumped out Jay and I think about you from time to time when I think about Cagey and how my perception of him has changed. Katie goes on everyone. Goes it everyone social media and it's a sign of insecurity and all this and j you turn my head around a little bit about this to me k. D. is simply treating people on social media the way he would treat someone with a giant media platform in other words he's relating to everyone as a person not a better or worse the person. There's something I like about that Jordan. The way he went at Scott Burrell and everyone is talking about. Oh he's a bully. Goes Steve Kerr? How is that different than the way he would go? Any anybody. Jordan treated all competition with another person as a man. You're a man who's better in in a in a way I don't think of it. As he was a bully I think of it. In fact he respects the competition and in fact respecting the other person. Just as though are superstar. 'cause as you're watching the documents damn Mike really you need to get yourself pumped up by beating up on that guy. But there was no difference between that guy to him. And Larry Bird or Magic Johnson. He gave them all the business maxim with each and every second of the day finding some that got him to the extra level of that next space mentally. And you know He. He gave this great analogy of putting wood on the fire. That's what he looked for every single day to push him to get to that next level. There are two things out to me. This documentary number one. This is the best documentary. I've ever sports documentary. I've ever seen I really give a lot of credit to ESPN into Disney into net flicks into brand Jordan and Jason Hare the executive producer. For putting this whole thing together. This whole thing was was next level. And I've seen some great sports documentaries from Hoop Dreams to ecus this one rated the best to me and secondly just wasn't about the basketball accolades and could he have won. Seven eight nine ten. Yeah I think we all think he could what it was the layers of depth. That's some straight talk straight. Talk Wireless has the full cell phone coverage you need. Get the unlimited plan. Twenty five gigs of high speed data than two G. For just forty five bucks a month saves you to have the big carriers. Everything for less savings may vary see terms conditions at straighttalk dot com. So all of this last ends fun being had we've asked you guys to. Chime in what athlete or team either one. Do you want to see the next last dance type documentary on you can give us any team? He's where you can tweet me at Jason Fitz. You can also call triple eight say. Espn eight eight eight seven nine. Three seven seven six. I rarely see this much variety on twitter. So I have to give you guys a lot of credit for the way. You're coming into it because we've got everything from. Anthony says he wants to see Mark Messier Ninety four Stanley Cup season with the New York Rangers. So rack says I want to see the bills. Last dance series of all four straight super bowl losses to see what they went through. Bubba with a good call. Here's Barry Bonds. We're getting a ton of these. But I have to have a love. This one jed and Yo to Jensen OA gators. And then why? Oh said Tim Tebow Florida gators? God Murders Drugs Irvine. I'm in for all to what athlete or team. Do you want to see the next last? Dance ON BILL IN FLORIDA. What are you got him? I think there are the whole the Michael Phelps for all the different Olympics would be an epic All American type documentary that we'd love to watch no. Yeah well heck I mean you talk about all American in the Olympic moments for him but also just the attempt to find scandal around. It's so many different times to like it. Feels like Phelps sort of in this in this moment where there's so much to learn about part of what may Jordan. This great documentaries because we didn't know as much so. I'm all in on on Phelps. I like that one as a call tyler in Washington. What are you got is the what you think? The next last and stock should be on. It might be an easy one but I think tiger woods because he's already got so much exposure at the time he was what four or five years old and you know following his dad around and through the cheating scandal? I think Boston to get up behind the scenes. Look deep dive. Look really see what he went through during the cheating scandal at the the rise back to win the masters. I didn't have just be awesome. Oh Yeah you're totally right that the only thing I'd say with Tigers we've seen so much. It feels like tigers live so publicly. Yeah I'm with you the rise and fall in reruns. I mean that all comes together pretty easy Dale in Texas. What do you? What do you want the next last documentary to be on? GotTa be the Jimmy Johnson Cowboys of the early nineties. It happened. It all may took Had To do away with the older team had Tom Linzie. Jerry Jones All the player Dynamics Michael Irvin what they call the White House. And then Barry Switzer coming in a Herschel Walker. All of that. It would be fascinating. No Oh my God you get behind the scenes that that is a great call. Because you're talking about so much drama to be had anyway like if I could a real peek behind the curtain on whatever's actually happened between Jerry Jones and Jimmy Johnson to that level and also get the extra peek behind the curtain on some of the players that we know were were having a good time. They were putting themselves in A. Let's say a situation when they can have a lot of fun? Oh man that would be absolutely spectacular Willa Missouri. Let's get warmer and one more in here real quick. What athlete or team do you want to see the next doc on you thanks for taking my call? Eighty six Yankees always been my favorite. I was a big Fox fan when the Red Sox lost the mets me eighties and to see him get his championship on horseback. You had all everybody else. In their Marianna Rivera. We got cheater stories off on sailor was still alive and show Tori everything all the aspects of everybody. That went everybody on the team back. They will follow Neil eras and everybody Gerardi. I think we're still on that team. The Ninety six World Series Yankees would be my last day outside. Sit and watch it for days. there's a great coal portion to that too because it's around. Major League Baseball and again I think one of the things that made the last dance truly special is that we didn't have the level of let's say insight into everybody's life that we do now for so many athletes so when you talk about getting into that. Arrow or any era of major league baseball it becomes a little bit of what we thought we knew versus a lot of what we had no idea about. That's what made the last dance interesting. That's why I think frankly any of these. That was a true behind the scenes on a moment. Major League baseball could be absolutely great for the sport. Great for the players and be great for the fans because it gives you a bigger peek behind the curtain. We're going to keep taking your calls on what athlete or team you want to see the next last stance stock com plus. I've got some thoughts on a triple eight say. Espn eight eight eight seven nine. Three seven seven six. Espn radio presented by Progressive Home Insurance. Get your quote Progressive Dot com today before we do that though. I want to switch gears a little bit. There was some big news that came out Friday afternoon about the possibility that owners are going to talk about a plan they could incentivize teams in the NFL. It could move them up in the draft if they hire a minority as a head coach as a coordinator even or as a general manager so they had a lot to say about that. I take today SAM. Oncho a joined in the conversation on. Espn radio and talked a little bit about his thoughts on incentivizing for hiring minority candidates. This is what he said Sunday morning on. Espn radio how is it? Can't be about incentive. It's gotta be about giving the the right coaches the right opportunities the problem with the NFL is that there's such there's so much cronyism it's all about who you know oftentimes. Nfl coaches aren't the best coaches. They're not that's why for me and the players you you get happy you get. A coach is actually a good coach. Not just the Guy who knew a guy who knew a guy. That's that's what happens. 'cause I got a buddy get in the door and all of a sudden. He becomes the position coach. Linebacker coach or head coach or whatever as opposed to giving the best possible. It's not particularly so. Do I think in a set of system is away? No so one thing to distress here and I want everybody to go out Jim. Trotter is the one that reported on this. Jim Does spectacular work and he's been at the forefront of reporting on this a lot to break down a few things that have broken that he talks about in his report. It would award a fifth round compensatory pick to any team whose minority assistant leads to become a coordinator so it incentivizes that it would around a third award a third round compensatory pick for any team with the minority coach. Front Office member who leaves become a head coach so it incentivizes that and then the big part of it is the draft portion of a team that hires a person of color senior football executive would move up ten spots in the third round during the draft prior to that executive second season. So that's a big move and higher minority head coach. You'd move up six spots in the third round during the draft to following their second season so it truly is a plan to incentivize. It has not been put into action yet. It's just being proposed. So this is what Steven Max and to say on the possibility of incentivizing teams for hiring minorities. I love it. I don't love the particulars. I don't love the specifics. It's a gimmick. It's a gadget. It's no plan. No thought to it whatsoever. We get that. So that's why I'm saying I love it because this would it work. You don't want to be a black man hired under these conditions because you would be the epitome of what they call an affirmative action. Hire somebody that they deemed unqualified for the position. At just got it because of this and you definitely would be excoriated at least privately with an NFL circles. No black coach wants to be hiding under those conditions. So in regards to that that certainly would not be the case but the reality is that if you think about why I love it so much I love that it provokes the conversation. I want to applaud all the people covering the NFL. I want to applaud my brother who used to work at ESPN but not the NFL network. Jim Trotter who broke the story. And it's been all over it props to him for pointing out some of those things for what I've been told by folks in the NFL BELTING. Several owners went to other owners and the NFL proposing. This this is not something that sufficiently been mandated was being considered for to be mandated by the NFL per se. It was presented by a few owners. Who Want to address this issue? And that's why I'm excited about it. Because now the compensation has been provoked. The conversation has been stirred and that is what I think the most important thing to peel from this. We're finally able to have this discussion. We got four. Four minority coaches in the national football league. Three of them happen to be African. American. We've got to offensive coordinators enemy in Kansas City and Byron left which in Tampa if I missed anybody please excuse me I apologize but those are two of the top five offenses in football max. Kellerman has been religious religiously highlighted the fact that analytics and beyond of all pointed out that you go the route of offensive coordinator's order to give somebody a head coach job. That's usually the pipeline. We've got more than if we've got about eight to ten blacks who are defensive coordinators but only about a couple who are offense coordinator and the gods getting hired are usually coming from that offensive offensive coordinator pool. Here's my issue. When we think about that we have to point out the fact that excuse me everybody talk about who you know who you know who you know what is a pipeline to consider here. Where's the pipeline? Usually when you have individuals coming out of college. They played at a high level. They were all Americans or whatever the case may be they usually leave without their degree and therefore that increases the unlikelihood that they'll get hired for a job if you get hired for College Job Chances Are you're going. GonNa have that much tougher of a time getting high for the job. That's not necessarily the issue with some of the white coaches coming out of college. Who may not have had that kind of cachet as collegiate players or players but they ingratiate themselves with the right people got opportunities so there's no pipeline for us and I think that's something to be pointed out here on both college and pro level when I think about clip Kingsbury Max. I hate to bring his name up. Because he's done nothing to me. I have nothing against never met him. Don't know him but I do know this. He wasn't qualified. It'd be no damn head coach on. Nfl level based on his resume. Not a Texas tech not the non job that he had it you because he never really started it because before he got a chance to show up work. He got hired as a head coach by the Arizona Cardinals. Bypassing anything so my last point is excuse. Me WanNA resolve this. We WanNA bring solutions to the table whether it's special teams on offense or defensive. How about mandating that? You have to be a coordinator in order to get a head. Coaching job therefore you have an objective criteria available to us. All there were able to look at you and say excuse me. Here's what you've done and this is why you're qualified for consideration for a head. Coaching job in the National Football League. And because that process would become public. Now we're all in a position to critique it objectively and accurately an issue of fairness is being addressed because it's an open forum as opposed behind the curtain where we don't know what the Hell is going on other than people having coffee or drinks together at night and get high because somebody likes them. You've mentioned affirmative action. Stephen I love when people decry affirmative action several years or decades of it the reason it exists because of four hundred years of negative action unless you believe black men can't coach in the NFL. You believe that not you obviously even the proverbial you if you believe that then sure then you'd be against affirmative action because you don't acknowledge the negative action that led to the circumstances where you even believe that but this is actually a scathing indictment of the NFL. It's good that they're trying something but it's an indictment why you need to incentivize franchises this much in order to not eliminate a pool of candidates right so so why is that it would suggest that hiring. A black head coach hurts. The team know it helps the team. What hurts your team. Not Black per se but hurts. The team what hurts any business is automatically essentially eliminating a pool of candidates. This is the essential argument. If you don't believe in the moral argument the argument for against sexism or all kinds of prejudice right to limit in enormous population of of potential candidates. I take your take on. Espn radio news being news. One thing that needs to be analyzed through all of this most importantly is giving everybody a better chance to evaluate and go back to quickly. Dominic Foxworth has an article that was put up on the undefeated. And I think it's over a year old at this point from last year talking about what we really need is a scouting combine for prospect of NFL. Head coaches owners. Gm's teams need more opportunity to get familiar with what everybody's actually capable of? Dominic speaks on the smarter than most of US combined can and I think it's important understand that through all of this. We need to help. People make better decisions in who they're hiring not just by incentivizing anything but by making sure that people are actually finding the most qualified candidate. It's not as easy as it sounds for so many teams. You know it if your favorite teams bad. How often are they bad partially because they made a terrible higher in the GM position or the head? Coach I take your take. Espn RADIO ESPN news. We're going to keep taking your take. What athlete or team do you want? The next last dance documentary to be on. Plus only one non Celtics player ever won seven rings. So should the Bulls regret not going for a seventh. You'll hear about that next guy's react to it. I think your take on. Espn radio the ESPN APP. Siriusxm channel eighty and ESPN news. I'm Jason Fitz presented by Progressive Insurance brought to you by my computer career training for a better. Life shameless plug. If you're into the Disney music. Sing along thing Disney music just to tweet it out a little video. A Little Disney sing along fund has now made it out to the world. They can't watch it. I'm on it right now. But they put a medley together. They'd ask some of us at ESPN to do a little sing along video. So they've made a medley of me doing some lion king and then L. Dunkin is in it and Marc Spears. So go check it out. Have a little fun and watch Disney sing along. I tweeted out the links. So you can find it at Jason Fitz you can find it wherever you consume your Disney social. It's out there to be had. We're asking you guys. What athletes are team? Do you want the next last. Dance documentary on triple eight say. Espn eight seven to nine. Three seven seven six. You can pick any team any athlete any year. What do you want that documentary to be on Mike in Virginia What do you got? What's your take on this one? Eight Jason I want something different. I want Amateurism with John Wooden Bill Walton and Alexander. Oh man you're you're going all the way back to those. Ucla Teams Mike. I love that call because again it provides context and I think that's the most powerful thing as we get through the last dance. I've said it repeatedly but the guys that work with me on the show. They're younger than I am. We have different sort of memories of that era so for me. The last dance era was all about sort of the prime of fandom from me whether it's the early nineties late nineties that was a primary of fandom for me watching the NBA. So I watched and lived in loved every every second of that. If you're younger you need that introduction to some of what you've heard about but when you actually see it's more powerful when you take that far of a dip back into something like the wooden era. You're accomplishing the same thing. You're giving people perspective to something that they wouldn't otherwise see and we forget about for some of those great so we not only for their MBA greatness. I love that one. Let's get one more and more quick Kevin Missouri. Would he got as an athlete or team? You want to see the next last Danzon well. It's actually two teams and by the way I wanted to say you're the nation. Espn in a long time with the possible exception of that young lady from the WNBA. Who I think Mike Golic and her should get married and give birth to a lot of power forward but today would make a beautiful. You are right about that but thank you for the kind words go ahead. Oh we lost them. We lost so many positive things to say callback. Yeah well let's get through and you're right. I mean I'm I'm willing to play matchmaker. Gay and my goal junior would make a heck of a couple. I'm just saying I'm just saying guys I'm putting it out there for the world. You guys do with it. What you choose all right so while we get more your take. What athlete or team do you want the next last? Dance documentary on triple eight say. Espn eight eight eight seventy nine. Three seven seven six before we get there. There was a little nugget sort of buried at the end of the last dance. And the K- believe it was buried like they could have done a whole episode as we find out if the end the Jerry. Reinsdorf the owner of the Bulls did in fact call Phil Jackson after everything was said and done and said you deserve the chance to run it back if you want to. And according to Reinsdorf Phil Wasn't interested in coaching a team that was going to be rebuilding so they showed all of this to Michael Jordan. Who was a little shocked by it and said he's never talked to reinsdorf another shocking. Admittance to me. I want to hold episode on all of that but it raises a real question because MJ ended the last dance documentary. By essentially saying we could come back. We should have come back. We should have gone for a seventh. The question is Stephen Max. Broken out should the Bulls regret not going for seven store. Played them cheap. He played them cheap for those who would say well they already had the highest. The salary cap was twenty. Five thirty million and they were spending sixty million. Of course. They're spending twice the CAP. Of course they are grandfathering in contracts. Because they're winning the championship every year. Do you know how much more valuable it is? Not just in terms of operating costs meeting like revenue. My less operating operated let. Your prophet is year to year but equity he built in that franchise and in the League where one dollar turned into what fifty over not that many years the league was expanding so fast and the bulls value was skyrocketing because of all this even when owners talk about guys well word and operating loss. Stop it for a year to but your team. Is that much more valuable. So you blew it with Scottie. Pippin REINSDORF did by letting crowds play hardball with up until the final second. And now right you'd have to way overpaid for pippen. So give them a dollar less than you gave Jordan the following year. Oh my God. But we'd be operating the fifty million dollar loss and no you wouldn't stop it. Does anyone really believe that? When you factor everything in the Bulls would have lost money on that. You'll winning another championship or at least trying. Management blew it. That's why they called it. The last dance doesn't matter Phil. Jackson goes eighty two before the season starts where breaking this thing up. Subsequent events showed they were wrong. They didn't know how to rebuild. And based on whoever who else won the championship there was a very good possibility the Bulls win two more after that one. So yes if I'm a player I'm not content or rather no. I'm not content with what happened because it was out of our hands. I definitely think there should be content. You want to six NBA finals. You want all six of them and the two that you probably would've had that you didn't get was because Jordan decided to retire Because of a combination of a slew of things you know. Obviously his father had passed away. his rise his cachet his brand it exploded on he was inundated. He talked about not having a light being stuck in his hotel. Room can walk. The streets can do anything and how it was an adjustment. He had to reset. He had lost a passion for the game of basketball. It's entirely plausible. That they might have lost inside that two year area because out everything of basketball was getting to him so much because he was so inundated and his level of popularity at sorted elevated to astronomical proportions and there was a lot him to take he might not have ended up winning one of those two years because of all of that stuff. We've seen that happen. Before we've seen people fold and succumb to outside forces and the fire and because of it if found a way to just infiltrate the proceedings and get in the way of what their ultimate goal was odd believe however he would have ended up with at least seven titles possibly eight. I don't believe in Jalen and discussing this. Get up early in the morning. I don't believe that the Indiana Pacers would be in the bowls. The bowls were going for several title. They lost to the Knicks and six games. There was no Patrick Ewing. There it was Latrell. Sprewell and Allan Houston dropped thirty six in a game. Six and Larry Johnson was there even though even on the closeout game. Wasn't that phenomenal. The bottom line is you're marcus. Camby was coming off the bench at that particular moment in time. Max But I'm just saying to you that if you'RE GONNA lose to the to the Knicks at that particular moment in time. I don't think it's implausible to believe that the Bulls have taken you out that year. Now I think the next year when the Lakers and the Pacers met I think the Bulls would have come up short that year but I think at the lockout shortened season of nineteen ninety nine. I think that the Bulls. Because of the lockout short season would not have had as much they would have definitely had seven possibly eight but not ten titles. I take your take on. Espn radio that last answer recap was brought to you by. At and T. I'm telling you still the most stunning part to me of the entire documentary or two things one. Finding out the flu game was actually the food poisoning game. I mean I want and deep dive on that like somebody's gotta be deep diving into that right now but then the other part of it is to have Michael Jordan. Sit there at the end. And he was shown the video of Jerry. Reinsdorf the owner of the Bulls explaining that he called Phil Jackson while the team was dismantled after six. And he said you know. I've never asked him about it. That's shocking to me. Not because Michael Jordan player hasn't asked him about a moment Michael Jordan star Michael Jordan. The brand Michael Jordan is an NBA team owner. You're telling me as a team owner you've never gone to the owner that was part of your entire legacy and said all right. I got into why like now. We're peers we own the same type of business. We are running in the same circles as peers. How do we not see that I? I I was stunned by then. Don't forget to tune into ESPN DAILY. Podcast deep dive into a single-story from spn hundreds of reporters presented by marathon download subscribing review. Espn daily available. Wherever you enjoy your podcast mark from Virginia. We're asking what athlete or team. You want the next last dance stock to be on. What do you got Dale Earnhardt? Oh why Dale. Because he's pretty much. I think the reason I went to the High today did in their biggest part of Popularity Richard. Petty had a lot to do with it. But I think they are both to the mainstream and he's a reason it got so popular you know I love the take on it and I'll double down on it and say it's also interesting because Dale earnhardt is such a legend with such a legacy and I think that's what again to look at the layers that have made the last so popular. I've said it's about context but it's also about how many people were affected as fans rooting for or against Michael Jordan. You'd have that same effect with Dale so it would be interesting to sort of get the look behind the scenes of Nascar Dale Earnhardt and then also where NASCAR was the beginning. And we're how how he sort of helped transform all that. That's a great call on that one. We'll take more of your thoughts athlete or team. You want the next last Dan stock to be on. Triple eight say. Espn eight eight eight seven nine. Three seven seven. Six sports are starting to slowly trickle back NASCAR. We just talked about. They're back in full. Swing with no fans. You'll hear from the winner of this weekend's race next I take your take on. Espn radio I think your take on. Espn radio the ESPN APP. Siriusxm channel eighty an ESPN news. I'm Jason Fitz. We're GONNA if you missed the first hour. Today's show go check it out on the first. Take Your podcast brought to you by capital one. Why SETTLE FOR AVERAGE WITH CAPITAL ONE? You can open a savings account with the rate five times the national average. Welcome to banking reimagined. What's in your Wallet Capital One and a member? Fdic keep getting your take now that the last dance is done. What team do you want or athletes? Do you want to see the next last dance type documentary on? You'll hear we'll hear some of your take coming up in just a second but we want to give you the chance to hear little from Kevin Harvick remember. He won the real heroes. Four hundred over the course of the weekend and obviously all is we're going to be on NASCAR. The question is how was it for him? How jarring was it to not have fans there? And how did it feel for him? He was on Golic and Wingo this morning. Wanted to check out what he had to say. One of the biggest things that I learned was to get over the anxiety of of all the protocols because as as as an athlete you know you you WanNa you WanNa perform at the event that you're going to and the anxiety leading up to the event of okay. Do I do. I feel good. What am I going through when I go through this gate here and you know it was literally a temperature check? Put your mask on and we had gone through meeting after media. Wha with all the NASCAR folks on all the protocols that needed to be put in place so everybody you know already had my mask. I had my hand. Sanitizer had my gloves for any circumstance that I was in. You know that I needed to and then I you know my temperature was fine and I drove in the racetrack and sat and my bus for you know for four hours waiting for the event to start and then walked out to the car so I think for me that anxiety of getting over the the first event and all the things that are running through your mind that that you know. You don't really don't have to run through anymore and because you know how it's going to work and and how you felt and you can get over those emotions just being back on the race track and having some normalcy For those few hours that we were at the track and in the car were spectacular to be honest with you Just because you know of of how much our lives have changed over. The last several weeks but After the race really put it into perspective for me. You have all that enthusiasm and us being in the car. You have all those emotions. You're not feeding off of anything other than the sheer competition that you have on the race track against the other guys and winning the race and then have all that emotion built up and get out of the car to dead. Silence for me was the moment that put it all into perspective for me. Just you know how different of a situation that we were in I take your take on. Espn news always find that interesting? And we'll tell this quickly I think it's funny. Spent so many years of my life playing shows you know at the end of a concert. You have the the the crowd and hopefully they applaud. And everything's gone while I'll never forget. The first time I was doing radio in I was in this remote studio all by myself so I finished Meridia show and everybody disconnected in the lines just dropped and I sat there silently and I was like all right self high five. It's a much different vibe. When you're used to something different than that I figure take. We're trying to figure out what athlete or team you want on the next last dance. Doc Brian in Georgia. What do you got? What's your take on this one? Yes they stay for taking my call I would like to see one based off the Astros cheating scandal. Oh see now. It's really and I wish we could get it. I just don't think anybody would keep the footage and show it to us. But my God if we could make any of it happened. I mean adamant South Carolina. What do you want the next stock to be on and Jason So I grew up as a lifelong braves fan as much as I'd like to see the nineties braves quote Unquote Dynasty I think seeing the red sox strike the curse having the Curt Schilling's bloody ankle coming back in the Al. So yes and then possibly segue laying that into the Boston bombings happened and David Ortiz. With his moment out on the field. I think that'd be pretty cool state. Yeah we're getting a lot of votes for the two thousand four Red Sox. I like that one a lot. And you're right. It's it's just prominent enough in our minds for it to be there and for it to make a little bit of sense. Kevin in Missouri. What are you? What's your take on this one? Sorry I got cut off earlier. I WANNA see Barry. Switzer the outlaw. The rebel Tom. Osborne say it's actually to chains Oklahoma and Nebraska If you think about the Late seventies early eighties. That was the last era where the SEC didn't dominate everything and Berry went on to be very successful. Nfl coach with the cowboys for went on to be a state. Senator Athletic Director Think about the players billy. Sims Thomas Lie Johnny Rodgers. You're totally right. Sorry man we're up against the hate to cut you off again but you're right. I grew up here in about all of those rivalry moments in that area. I would love to see any behind the scenes from two different teams at once that would be epoch. Espn radio presented by Progressive Insurance and shower sessions part interview part concert. All from the shower will say more about later. I take your take ESPN radio.

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Full Show - LeBron's return, Super Bowl LIII, Chris Long & Christian McCaffrey interviews

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Full Show - LeBron's return, Super Bowl LIII, Chris Long & Christian McCaffrey interviews

"I wanna welcome diverse things. I I'm general that is Chris Canty that is Nick, right? Mr. canny, Chris Carter's down the Lanta or the big game. For sure. Door. No one else. But you could do the job huge shows you pick the right one to come Bill in lot of NBA news to get to. But of course, we are going to start with Super Bowl fifty three the storylines have all been discussed all the angles covered Tom Brady and the patriots trying to win their six Super Bowl this century while Jared Goff and the Rams will try to win the team's first Super Bowl in Los Angeles. A matchup between the greatest coach of all time and bell check and young up and coming Sean McVay. So what will the moment? Be like come Sunday. Here's Tom Brady. For those rings. That's what that's what being a competitor is all about the magnitude of this game. It's a blessing to be here. Our players and coaches have earned the right to be here. Great year. Of a ton of respect for for what they've done the way they've done it. And we're gonna go out there and do our best to compete against this the big day plan great football year. But this this is the last one, you know, you got play your best football this the biggest days, you know, the bigger stage ever played on. So. We just gotta keep playing football too high level. Don't forget what got us here. But you know, leave everything out one more time. One more game opportunity award champion is Aaron Donald so excited that he's already wearing. All right, Nick, I've been waiting all week to ask the question who's got the edge come Sunday or pats all the measurable say the rooms the the record the points. The overall talent the number of pro bowlers all pro players all of that says the Rams but the patriots have been in the disadvantage in those measurable categories in each of their previous two playoff games, one of which was on the road. And they obviously dominated the chargers and dominated the chiefs for three quarters until a furious late comeback by candy forced overtime, all the intangible edges. Go to New England experience. The overall greatness quotient of the coach quarterback combo. The fact that we know they will not commit self inflicted wounds. I think this game is going to come down to one very specific question can the Rams create legitimate pressure on Tom Brady? And I don't mean pressure of the moment. I mean guys like. Chris Canty round his size and frame knocking Tom Brady down where we have seen over this last half decade the difference in Super Bowls or playoff games for patriots wins and losses have been. Did you get pressure on Brady go back to the Seattle SuperBowl? But forgotten point Bill Barnwell brought up this week. I thought it was brilliant the game flipped when cliff April went out of the game with a concussion from that moment forward Brady was flawless essentially, then next year when they lost to the Broncos. What happened pretty good knocked down seventeen times in his wife was postulating. The vaccine was concussed in that game Atlanta once the fourth quarter hit they stopped getting pressure on Brady, and he was flawless last year. They couldn't get pressure on Brady threw for five hundred yards. They got one sack in that game. It was the strip sack that actually ended the game room essentially, so can to leave and Peter's we left on island consumed Donald take advantage of that. Can wait Philip style. L up some blitzes if the Angelo's questions are. Yes. The Rams have a distinct advantage. If they can't Tom Brady in the pats will pick them apart. Absolutely. Right. And they think that a key matchup for this. Super Bowl is going to be the Rams front four near -bility to get at the time Brady specifically in the middle of the pocket. Everybody understands that Tom Brady is one of those quarterbacks that you can't blitz. So in the Super Bowl that they've lost teams haven't blitz. He's only gotten blitz. Eighteen percent at a time the Super Bowls that they won teams of bliss them twenty five percent because they had to because they had to. And so the key is you can't send a digital Russia's because Tom Brady is going to be able to exploit the coverage is on the back end. So you have to make sure has got at least seven coverage on the back when you're facing Tom Brady that offense. Now, you gotta think that Bill Belichick is going to have a plane to neutralize Aaron Donald. So that's why consumer Dante valor junior become important in his matchup. They're going to have to be able to win their one on one. And I put more of it probably on Dhamma consume and less on Dante junior just because the page. It's having given up a ton of edge pressure this year. I mean, they're one of the better offense of lines in terms of not allowing edge pressure. But when you look at that interior line if indaba consume consistently gets one on ones, he's got a win those matches. It's going to be on him to be able to get Brady off the spot. If he can do that. I think that the Rams put themselves defensively in a good position to slow down. This pats offense question for you. The intangible advantage goes to the patriots the tickets the nerves halftime duration of halftime. All that stuff. We know the patriots have the advantage at what point is this just about a football game. Now, do we still going to go through all day today all day tomorrow with all the extra stuff? Like what point do they sit down? And and Sean McVay says all right now, it's just Xs and os. This is just the football part of it. You have to move past the pomp and circumstance and arriving to the Super Bowl city and all of that stuff. I think both teams both coaches will get their guys past that that happens in earlier part of the week the NFL does opening night with the media Monday. So I think that that part is kind of cleaned up for these. Teams. So now, it's focusing on the Xs and os, and Geno they'll make judgments all the way up until game time when they get into that locker room. So I mean when I want Super Bowl Forty-six hard defensive coordinator was drawn up stuff in the locker room before the game. So they're always going to be little tweaks to the game plan. But ultimately, it's going to come down to what team executes the best and part is going to be the confidence that you gain from the preparation in the last couple of weeks. That's where I give the decided advantage to the New England Patriots because they've been in this game. The last three years for the last five. So I have to give the edge in terms of being able to manage these past two weeks, and the preparation till Bill is coaching and can't tell me if if I'm right on this. I would imagine some of the things generate you're talking about that we would imagine. And or don't apply actually on game day can apply right up until kickoff. The extra butterflies you feel win. It's like, wait. So that's who singing the national anthem. So that's the pre-game the length of halftime. Like, you are tell me if I'm wrong, but you are constantly. Reminded. This is not like every other game. You're constantly reminded. I am playing in the biggest game of my life. Well, at least a big game of your life. If you're a ramp for the patriots. It's the biggest game yet this year. Do do. I have that. Right. Absolutely. Right. Players will get to the stadium about an hour. Earlier just didn't named enormous because of the logistics and all the security around in the Super Bowl. It throws your entire routine as a player all so the organization the players that are more used to or more accustomed to adjusting to the change in schedule different things. They're going to give themselves decided advantage because the Super Bowl from a scheduling standpoint is unlike any other game that you'll play in a regular season or postseason. So you're absolutely right with that. And there's one other thing for the whole league. If you're not a pats fan I Rams fan, but you're fan of whatever team the Miami Dolphins the Jacksonville Jaguars, whomever. You're obviously going to watch this game. Maybe you don't have a rooting interest. These two teams have been built so differently. And it's very similar to the match of last year super one of the reasons because. One of the teams is the same. The patriots have almost never been about the splashy acquisition about sacrificing the future for the now the eagles were last year. The eagles traded picks away midseason for J J. They went out and spent money in the offseason because they thought they had a window, right? Then and it paid off with the Super Bowl. The Rams took that and did five exit. Right. They traded away picks for Peter's. They brought into leave mid season. They traded away picks for Dante Fowler. All right, right. They gave contract try to pitch for Brandin cooks contract extension to cooks to girly. They did all these things saying we think we can win this Super Bowl and in a copycat league when we've seen so many teams try to copy the patriots method and almost all of them fail. If back to back Super Bowls or one by teams that say, you know, what forget the long term planning. Let's worry about the here. And now then your team out there. No matter who it is assuming you have some level of credibility some level of hope. Going next season, your general manager might look at it and say, you know, what let's try to win. Now, let's not tell our teams it's fan to five you're building. Let's try to Rams were the laughing stock of the league two years ago. And they are now one game away from winning the Super Bowl. The Philadelphia Eagles had fired their coach two years before they won the Super Bowl. So the copycat league if we have backed champions that were more worried about the now than the long term that could be a trend that kind of infects in a good way the rest of the league, which for me would be exciting. Because a lot of teams have tried to do at the patriot wail yet can't clone. Bella check and you can't clone Brady. And the patriot way I eight steps are Brady Bella check, Bella check Brady Brady belts. So the Rams winning to me would be an exciting potential turn for the leak. No. I think you're absolutely right. And if you're looking at these teams if you're going to buy stock in one organization for the next two or three years, you would think it will be the organization with the young core of skill position players. The young quarterback and a young head coach. But when you look at Tom Brady, and what Robert Kraft said yesterday about signing him to a contract extension. Knowing that Brady and Bella check are going to be around knowing the time and assets, they have known type of cap space. They're gonna have and you probably say you lean toward the patriots just knowing that when the Rams give Jared Goff extension. Eventually they're going to lose a lot of pieces on that team. They paid Brandin cooks they paid Aaron Donald they pay Todd Gurley. You can't keep everybody. I think the patriots are in a much better position for the next two or three years already seen players say I want to be part of that organization. Didn't Sean Jackson just come out and say, oh, I'd love to play Sean avai with invest system and not necessarily within the and it's a lot easier to deal with ramifications of being catch trapped and not having picks. If they end with the jewelry, you've got you know, what I mean? Like, the eagles are not worried about what's it gonna look like when the bills do on Carson Wentz because they have a Super Bowl ring if Jared golf and Todd Gurley and these guys get a Super Bowl ring that those championships for the fans live forever. Those brag. Writes live forever. And so that one of the most exciting kind of subplots of this game on Sunday. Let's take a break little basketball to discuss on the other side how LeBron fair and his return. Oh, that's next on f s one, and you can always check us out on the Fox Sports channel on Sirius XM. We're back right after. Player. The NBA hit us for the big prizes last night one being LeBron James he was considered doubtful for last night's game against the clippers. Well, he returned to the floor. Anyway after missing seventeen game scored twenty four points was one assist shy of a triple double in a big overtime win over the crosstown rival clippers the Lakers. Now just one game out of the playoff picture preparing for a big Saturday matchup with Golden State. Here's the Brian James on his return. Take a great right now. Definitely ecstatic about being out there with my guys again, a great role in versus where you know kind of climate in playoff race. But being five weeks now. The right now, which I like, my shoes and be home right now my base, but it was great to be out there. Don't love clothes. I love suits. But I didn't come here to put on the suit everyday come to put on a jersey. Some sure that's what I came into lead a team. Best way. I know how. So, you know, that's that's the frustration part. When you sing your team struggle. And you know, how much you can help them, and you can't do anything in a suit and tie. So. The negativity such repaint that. Five weeks away from the game comes back. And does that last night? How impressive was LeBron evening, Nick. Well, so first of all it was impressive. You got his way back on the court heating. He had planned circled this game that I will be backed by this game at the latest not only because they play the warriors on Saturday, and they're about to go on a long road trip because of the Grammys the clippers and the Lakers about to be on the road for a longtime. Staples, not gonna be vailable. But also because the clippers of the team they're chasing for the eight seed right now like they got thirty games left. And if they had lost last night, they'd have been three back of the eight seed with only thirty games to play the jazz were ahead or playing well. So this was a very important game. And LeBron was ruled out midday Wednesday. And then he got upgraded to doubtful. And I was hearing he was going to do everything could apply and then in the first half, you wondered canny if it was a good idea in the first half. He looked like a guy who'd been out of school for six weeks. And it took LeBron James one half of bass. Football to resume being LeBron James after the first in the second half and overtime nineteen nine and five. If that does anything for you. This should have been a comfortable Lakers when they were up a dozen going into the fourth quarter. They squandered that they even almost squandered it again at the end of overtime with a bizarre Rondo inbounds play. But LeBron the first time being away from basketball for an extended period since breaking his wrist playing football in high school and it took him twenty four minutes of basketball. Get back to being the best player in the world. Absolutely right in the lead was as many as fourteen in third quarter started quick in second half of that game. But as far as the flow of the Lakers offensively, I mean, LeBron James gives them an identity. They depend on the Brian James to make everything easier for everyone else. Whether it was land Stevens cooking from behind the arc or getting Cal Kouzmin Volve. I mean, all those guys just felt like it was a little more effortless for those of being able to have opportunities to get buckets. Lebron James creates that just his ability to be able to command. Double teams and his court vision. And being a great passer. He puts those other guys in good situations. When it didn't have the brawn James over that seventeen game absence. It looked like everything on the offensive in for the Lakers was forced. And so now when you have LeBron James he says the table for everybody else makes everything a lot easier. So I mean, LeBron James pick and choose spots where he was going to give max effort, but I think it was a solid outing overall form in his first game back after five years shy of a triple double outstanding shot was not on. He I think he made one shot outside of eight feet. And it was a critical one in overtime a really tough turn around fadeaway, but he made a three pointers. Well, he made the one three in the one shot outside eight feet his shot was not on. And you could tell his wind wasn't totally with. And this was a good example of the only way to be ready to play an NBA basketball. And there's a shadow of a song about the only way to be ready to play an NBA game is to play an NBA game. No matter what great shape you keep yourself in. And listen, I was concerned. You ask me all year last year? General are you concerned about the Cavs? I was. Never concerned. But this was unprecedent injury. The injury was unprecedented. And the he alluded to it last night. There were a few setbacks that kept delaying the timetable. I was told Tim to twelve more days twenty days ago. So I started to be legitimately concerned about a week ago. And then I was told the clippers games the game. And then when he was ruled out I we still talked about it yesterday that he might play, but he didn't play last night. There was going to be real reason for concern not only for the brand but for the team and their ability to climb back in this playoff. Let's talk about that if take away all the potential traits this team that you saw last night with LeBron plane way did with the rest of his cast of characters around him. Could this team make the playoffs? This is a playoff team. Anytime you have LeBron James out there. This is certainly going to be a playoff contender. Now. Are they going to be able to win a playoff series remains to be seen? It's a lot of young guys. But I think with the LeBron James injury puts a little more urgency. Lakers organization. Magic Johnson rob Pelinka to be able to get another difference maker pair longside him just because we're starting to see LeBron James career mortality. I mean, we're talking about a groin injury. We expected him back a couple of weeks ago. And so for him to be out five weeks. I think that those guys realizing that building we've got to take advantage of having LeBron James we don't want to think about his third year is four year with the Lakers because we don't know what type of player he's going to be at that point father time. Eventually, we'll catch up with you. Let's try to see if we can make a move to be able to pair another superstar with him. So we can take advantage of not only what we've been having twenty nine hundred twenty twenty but see we can do in a twenty eighteen twenty thousand nine season if they make the trade for Anthony Davis. They will have a puncher shot against Golden State. I think in reality what they would need is a full off season to build a complete team. And maybe have Kevin Durant go. Elsewhere anyone else around him, basically, those to correct you would have to strip the team down almost in its entirety. And yesterday, one of the Lakers beat writers floated almost the exact trade. We. Talked about on Tuesday as one that the Lakers had offered and we knew they would offer that. But assume the trae doesn't go through I said the Lakers need to focus on. I thought their ceiling was the three seed in the west and they were in the four spot when LeBron got hurt. Now. It's about getting to the six or seven line about two things. Yes. Making the playoffs but being on the opposite side of the bracket of golden staying. So that means that a the five and the four or the spots you don't want. So the Lakers now they had a chance if the three seed now, you focus, can you not only jump the clippers but jumped one more team. So you're in that seven to side of the bracket to where if you two first round upset the Western Conference finals are a real possibility one note because this game ended three and a half hours ago. It feels like at the very end of the game Rondo final possession. Inbounds the ball. Does. Something silly tries throw it off defenders leg and the clippers almost hit a game tying three Rhonda when the effort to make up for his air chased him down and turned his ankle. They. Talk about on the broadcast leap past they cut, right? When the game's over. But if you were watching he was noticeably limping after that day play Golden State on Saturday lonzo's out. So something to watch is is Rondo going to be healthier the Lakers going to deal with another long list of injuries. Now that LeBron's back. We'll have to look for that. Let's take a little turnout time for Knicks fantasy updates sponsored by Dr king's Nick Cutie got on Sunday. All right. So I gave you players from Los Angeles. Yesterday, we discussed this today. We're gonna go to New England side of things for the big money Sony. Michelle ten thousand two hundred draft kings dollars. I think who will be used early. And all I like do not believe that Bella check thinks the Rams playoff. Rush defense. Is there real rush defense? I think he's gonna make them prove it and see if they looked like the rush defense from the regular season, though, you absolutely, right, Sony, Michelle and seventy percents seventy percent. It's in he gets the ball. So I mean, that's that's going to be one of their feature players on off. And then as a flyer cheaper player. Chris HOGAN, only thirty eight hundred. Kings dollars. We saw him make any Norma's play in the Kansas City game. Chris HOGAN again, I'm not making any big guarantees with him. But when you're down at the end of the rosary and trying to save some money draft kings, Chris HOGAN could he have one big play could have won thirty yard catch that goes for a score. He could so Sony. Michelle your big money. Chris HOGAN for your bargain. 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That's an incredible deal for premium made-to-measure suit. Now back to the show. World featherweight champion. Leo. The earthquake. Santa Cruz puts his belt on the line against Rafael. Big bang Rivera, live, February sixteenth on FOX. And the Fox Sports at eight is now time for say. We all know how much fun gronk Lancs to have with the media checkout. This little exchange say. So, you know, you put in a lot of dedication to your body and everything, but there's one thing I love is just getting tickled lie. You know what I mean? And if you're saying, you don't like, you're crazy. You know? This station the sensation. And it makes you giggle to just feels good. You get all the body work all the his-. We take all the, you know. All the bruises. You get. I mean, I just like being tickled ever since second grade. I used the line used to be in control like everyone would sit you know, all alive. I mean, we all tickly backs. And then there I am I'm in the front. I'm not tickling anyone. I'm just giving tickles? This guy the best. Sorry. I mean the best. The definition of Duffus. Oh, it's not a bad thing. Dupuis is not a pejorative Aimo, certainly is no no valuable shows doofus it is. And boy, listen, there's no way you can't tell me you don't like it when you're just semi on comfortable talking about whether I do or don't like being tickled. And I certainly don't like the pantomine. I only want win. I wanted to really, and I didn't let's do anything other than this talking about a kid in second grade. You can be okay with being tickled. You a grown man in front of the moody recon NFL SuperBowl talking about you like being tickled and talking about how the front of a line think of Clinton. The game is. Don't even understand time for AT and T wakeup call. Newsflash Super Bowl this Sunday. Matchup of the greatest quarterback coach combo of all time versus the youngest quarterback. Coach combo of all time. Chris canty? What's the X factor in this matchup? We'll expect there is going to be the Rams ability to run the football. Because a lot of what they do philosophically on the offense aside at a ball has to do with play action pass gospels wartime under sooner than any other quarterback in the NFL. That's because Sean McVay is trying to put them in position to execute. A play fake create opportunities in the secondary. If they can't establish the ground game plex passes is not gonna be effect on the other side. Only three times in Brady's entire career has one player sacked in more than two times in a game. So anyone saying Aaron Donald can have three and a half sacks. That would be totally unprecedented. So the x factor is one of the others in Donna consume. Dante Fowler's you've discussed can one of them get home when the patriots are spending so much time and attention on Donald so Cording to report the Dallas Cowboys will not extend Jason Garrett as. Enters the final year of his deal as head coach the Cowboys this despite the fact that the team won a playoff game and won the NFC east this season. Chris kennywood Jamaica this dollars. Doused didn't and Jason go with all the other expiring contracts to the Knicks. Seriously. There's a situation where you're only going to be as loyal as your options. And I think Jerry Jones is going to explore the possibility of being able to upgrade his head coach whether it's this off season or the following off season. Maybe more options will be available. What has shown that Jerry Jones is not happy with Jason gas performance. I actually think this is smart by the Cowboys. I've never agreed with the NFL's on written rule, which is coaches can never go into the last year of their contract. Why not like he's not firing? He's not saying I'm moving on. But he's not gonna preemptively extend him. I think it's the right move back to basketball now LeBron James returned to the floor after missing more than a month. Didn't look too rusty. Eat a twenty four points, fourteen boards, nine assists in win over the clippers. Nick, what did you make of Laurent performance? Listen, I thought LeBron in the second half in particular was very very good in the first half. He did look a little rusty shout. Wouldn't fall on a look winded. Second nineteen nine and five which you'll take for a half a basketball, even if he hadn't missed a month and a half the Lakers. The Lakers ruled. Him out day before yesterday. And then quietly I was hearing he might try to force his way in the lineup for a huge game. He did force his way in the lineup showed up at three thirty west coast time at Staples yesterday got his way in there, and they needed him in this OT win the sign of a great player is making everybody around him better with LeBron James. The Lakers are top half of the Western Conference type team without him the outside the playoff picture looking. So LeBron James makes that kind of difference makes everything easier for everybody around him facilitates offense. Lebron James is the team right now, they gotta get another superstar to go with him though. Speaking of another superstar, let's get back that Anthony Davis rumor a week before the trade deadline. The Lakers reportedly presented the pelicans with five trait scenarios to acquire Davis. Nick does this get resolved before the deadline right now. I think it's sixty five thirty five against but the Lakers dead yesterday. What we said on Monday. They would eventually do which is present the exact trade. We talked about on Monday. Ing. Ingram. Lonzo coups and zoo Botts and a first round pick. Now, they would have to throw in one more contract. I said that contract re-lane Stevenson, you have to tell the pelicans you can have it all and see if the pelicans will pull the trigger some other NBA news that we're going to get to in a moment took some suitors away for Anthony Davis. So that if you'd asked me, this SR would've said seventy thirty against the I think the odds got a little bit more likely with the Kristaps. Well, if it's up to del Dempster, not think that they'll wait until this summer to make a move and possibly deal Anthony Davis, but based on the leadership structure with that pelicans organization Mickey Loomis and gale Benson being big figures big players in that they're on coughed with paying Anthony Davis the remainder ver- salary this year that he's probably gonna get moved in the next couple of days. But if the chain Tesco through the pelicans just become Lakers all team just goes as in New Orleans now the trade that actually happened the Knicks set Kristaps Porzingis to the Mavericks in exchange for Dennis Smith junior and two future. First round picks. Kristaps has not played a game this season while recovering from an ACL injury. He had reportedly complained about the direction of the franchise and was subsequently sent outta town. Nick, what was your reaction to this trade? I think it's a great job of the New York Knicks. And I think people that their gut reaction is all my God. The Knicks screwed it up again, they're either just so conditioned to the Knicks screwing things up or they don't understand the bigger picture that they missed the boat at the big picture because I think you're right. I think most new year fans we action is another doesn't wanna play the the reaction was we finally hit on a draft pick. And we're trading him for expiring contracts. Dennis Smith junior and a couple first round picks that won't become until twenty twenty one twenty twenty three. That's not what you traded Kristaps for two Kristaps Porzingis for the ability to sign Kevin Durant, and Kyrie Irving for the vivid sign Kevin Durant and Jimmy Butler for the ability signed, Kevin Durant, and Kimball. Walker? You now cleared the books for the first time. I'm thirty four years old for the first time in my life. The Knicks have a bad contract anymore for the first time in my life. They. Go into free agency fully armed in a good free agency year had cap space has been the wrong year. It never was the LeBron year. They have always done in a year earlier year late and the other part of this candy that I think people need to recognize is Kristaps is a question, Mark. And he's a question Mark that the next game he plays or the first game. He plays next year will come with a thirty million dollar a year price tag. He's no longer on his rookie deal after this year five years. One fifty that's what the freight was going to be to keep Kristaps. He's seven foot three people use that as how you gonna trade a seven foot three unicorn, I've rather Kristaps six eleven 'cause Kristaps porzingas is on a long list of guys that tall who have never been healthy. Other than Mark Eytan? I literally went through everyone in NBA history, seven three or taller markings. The only guy to play a decade without getting hurt repeatedly Samson Smith's Abon. Yeah. Chuck nev. If you remember him big z if the human body is not built to be this toll. He already had a major injury. And so the Knicks clearly believe they're getting Kevin Durant. I do too. And now canny they can tell K D. Hey, man, if you can convince someone to come with you, we don't gotta trade any picks. We'll have to move anything. We can do it right now. I love this trade for the next. No, I'm right there with you. I love this deal for the Knicks, and we were actually talking in the production before this. Disagree. We, but I'm absolutely right there with you. I think for the first time and a longtime this New York. Knicks franchise is healthy healthy from the standpoint of the hierarchy being on the same page that being Steve mills Scott Perry and David civile healthy from the point that they've got cash base also healthy from the point that they've got draft picks. They got seven first round picks over the next five years. So they have maximum flexibility, which means that you have a lot of options. Once we get to this summer. Not only what the draft and seeing where they're pick this year falls, but also in free agency. So you got generation k with co wide Klay Thompson. Kevin durant? Kemba Walker Cairo urban. You got a lot of guys out there that could be potential game changers for your franchise. So it made sense to clear out this cap space. And that's what makes this move different from what they did back in two thousand ten because two thousand ten year only had room for one max player. They thought they were gonna get LeBron James end up being Amare Stoudamire this year you can sell. Kevin durant? Hey, you don't have to come. And do this thing by yourself. Everybody says that that Nick. Jersey is the heaviest jersey in the NBA just because expectations that come with it in the stage that you're playing on you can tell Kevin Durant. Guess what you can out pick. Whatever other superstar that you want to come with you to play here. And then of course, you do have a draft pick. So I think this is a good position for the Knicks to be people have to understand with this trade. They've got view it through the land that quick stop present is a question Mark from a couple of different angles number one. You don't know if he was going to resign with the franchise and his brother Jaanus were not sold or what James Dolan has done with this franchise. And then of course, which you mentioned Nick the injury. There is no protocol for seven foot three guy coming off of a reconstructed ACL neck. I would also have to imagine it. The Knicks weren't just they're not just grasping at straws in the hope and maybe Kevin you don't make move like this. You have some semblance of an idea. There is a pathway to bring in Kevin Durant. I have not been and I am not saying this to you. I'm saying this to the to the people that think I it some people go on TV and just say this. I think it'd be fun. So. This. I would not have been for four months saying, I think Kevin Durant is going to be a Nick if it was just a gut feeling there, of course, things change writing guys guys minds change, right? But everything has been building towards that. You know, who knew it Draymond green. When he flipped out on on the sideline. Yep. That Kevin Durant was looking elsewhere. And where could he go that would be a championship would carry the most weight how about the prestige franchise, and I'm one one in forty five years some of the Knicks front office. Was there Scott Perry when they drafted him in Seattle rich, climbing, katie's business manager has ties here in New York. And now the Knicks can offer. Kevin durant? Something no one else can everyone can offer. Kevin Durant in the max, everyone has caps. But the Knicks offer his own franchise K D, you can pick your teammate, you can pick everything all we have is rookie contracts. Draft picks they kept by the way, the Zeon lottery. Which is it's only fourteen percent. But it's good a chance anybody's going to have. And you are not tied to what I would consider an incredibly risky contract. And here's the other thing about Kristaps Chris apps, if he stays healthy, and he continues on his progression. He's an all star. But you have to be an all star to be worth thirty million dollars a year. Like, I think when people say, oh, this guy is one of the ten best. Okay. I'm going to name guys. Tell me when I named someone that Kristaps is either better than or in the young guys that has a higher ceiling than LeBron Yana Steph. Katie Anthony Davis harden Kawai, Paul George Russ kyri clay Butler were twelve now to the young guys Luca. Embiid Simmons Yokich Lillard Mitchell. Aden, we're nineteen guys now. And I didn't even mentioned Karl Anthony towns Darren FOX Devon Booker knives. That are and so the Knicks I've been told the Knicks tried to include Kristaps in. In a mover, Anthony, date know, the pelicans said, no, we're good that that should tell you where they're at. So what does Dallas get out of this? How is this a win for Dallas was another cornerstone piece to pair with Luca dances? And that's the big thing for them, right? Being able to have some building blocks that they can move forward with so. Yeah, they're taking on some contracts that aren't great contracts, and Courtney Lee, and Tim Hardaway junior. But I think that this situation is good for them because they've been known to do well with international players. You know, the whiskey was one of the guys that both Luca and and KP looked up to win. They were young players. And so I think that this a good situation for the mass right now you have a one two punch that you can feel good about moving forward with. So I think I think the Mavs on a position where they can contain a Bill now, it's still going to be a tough Western Conference. It's hard road to tow. But I do like the idea of being able to pair somebody in the front court with your star in Luca Danni tobacco. All right. So there is no franchise in league better for Kristaps than Dallas. They have obviously the greatest center. National player ever the greatest European player ever want to disrespect to came in Dirk still there. He's got Luca there. You've got a great infrastructure. They're a great medical staff there for Kristaps. I really like this for Dallas. I eight is a big swing. I don't know that they needed to take. And here's my point. I under stand the upside, pardon me, the upside skews me the upsides very clear for Dallas. It's exactly what you said too young really unicorn type players that if they grow together you've got an MVP caliber guy in Luca and all MBA caliber guy in Kristaps. But you didn't need to take this risk because you have Luca. It reminds me so much of what the New Orleans pelicans did an Orleans pelicans got a generational guy. Any Anthony Davis and he was so good as rookie year. The next year. They were like let's win right now. Let's trade to lottery picks for drew holiday and try to win right now. And they tried to micro. Save it. And they never got better than pretty good to maverick in this position. They will not have real cap space until twenty twenty they gave away this year's draft pick to get Luke that smart. They don't have picking twenty nineteen don't BIC and twenty twenty one don't have pick in twenty twenty three that also means you can't trade the picks you do have because the NBA stepping rule. So you can't even to acquire a player include a first round pick till twenty twenty-five. They take on toxic contracts. They're about to give this guy thirty million dollars a year. And this this is now your team if Kristaps is healthy, if he's happy we know how good Luca's going to be then it's great. But if Kristaps doesn't develop if the they haven't seen him play since the has if Kristaps gets dinged again, then you have taken what I would consider the single best asset in the NBA not named Yana Staunton Cuco in Luke Donncha JR. And you put a ceiling on the next five years. That is a risk. I would not take. This was a move that team. That doesn't have a blue chip prospect. I think would make I'm surprised did it. Well, here's the one thing. I will say today. I think it's a gamble just because of the health Kristaps Porzingis the most games he played in was his rookie played in seventy two since then is declined sixty six forty eight hadn't played in a game this year. So I understand where you're coming from. My only question that you would be how else will the Dallas Mavericks going to be able to acquire a player of this? Right. 'cause you think we're there right now that we're going to be bad enough to get one of those top three lottery picks, and you weren't going to be good enough to be considered a playoff contender. So you had to make a move. If you're Mark Cuban in those guys down there in front office. I think that this was a calculated risk. I think with the potential for Christmas porzingas, the reward or the player is worth the risk in that situation normal cases, I would agree with you Luca Danni, which is the best player to come into the league's in the last eighteen years. Lebron Durant Davis dodge those are the four best players to come into the league Luca. If he's given you. Ninety six and five right now, if he never improves and just does this for a decade, he's a hall of Famer and he's going to improve he's a teenager. I would not give up my ability draft players. I would not give up cap flexibility. I would say we've got the only thing that matters and MVP caliber guy to build our team round. And we've got an locked in a sensually for eight more years. Let's not try to microwave it now, maybe Kristaps as healthy and it works out great. It's an enormous risk that I wouldn't take with one of the most important players in the league. We gotta take a break coming up which team we taken home the Lombardi trophy back football. We'll break it down from all sides next. I four go three times Super Bowl champ. Eric Mun genie's here. Coach does. All right. We are now just two days away from Super Bowl fifty three Tom Brady and the patriots trying to win their sixth Super Bowl the century. While Gerry Goffin, the Rams will try and win the team's first Super Bowl in Los Angeles matchup between the greatest coach of all time and Bill bell. Check in a young up and coming in Sean McVay experience versus inexperience coach, let's dive in with the obvious question. Who has the edge? Come sunday. I'm going with experience with the fact that Bill Belichick has forty three years in the NFL. So he's ten more years than than McVeigh's been alive. And then got experience at quarterback and the depth of experience with the assistant coaches in doing all of that plays a big role because there are a lot of a lot of things that happen differently in in this week Lee. Adding to it or two weeks leading up to it in the game itself. There's there's things that you have to adjust to that. That's hard your first time to really understand and appreciate and prepare for the right way. Where New England nine Super Bowl. This is just this just another another game on the schedule. Why do you think last year that didn't factor in so much? Or maybe you think it did. Maybe that's an unfair question. I just because I feel like the discrepancy between experience last year and this year, very similar the patriots hadn't been nine they'd been to eight. But it was an eagles team with a young coach with a court of backup quarterback who had no big time experience. So why do you think that that didn't apply last year? Maybe it did what the other thing that comes into play momentum. And in our first Super Bowl year, we were five and five through the midway point. But then we got on a roll. And after we got on a roll, it was built on it self, and I felt like Philadelphia had that same sort of momentum. And Philadelphia had that story book underdog underdog thing going, and then you get the backup quarterback, Nick foles. There are a lot of things that lent itself to tune-ups that. Well, here's the one thing. I will say coaching agree with you experience is huge in this kind of game. But it's not just having the. Appears to draw on once you get to the stadium on Super Bowl Sunday the experience of the two weeks of preparation leading up to and based on what we've seen from the New England Patriots. You have to give them the edge. Because Bill bell tech is always a master of being able to prepare enforce teams to play lefthanded. He's always going to take away what you do best. And so you have to have an adjustment to that. And I think that based on what we've seen from coach teams. They're able to execute at a higher level on this stage than other teams. So I looked at last year Super Bowl and say how did not been for Brandon Graham, getting strips that probably about another Lombardi trophy case a lo- Lombardi in the trophy case up into England. So I think you have to look at Bill Bella check in how he handles the weeks leading up to the Super Bowl, and that allowing his team to play with a lot more confidence knowing that they've seen pretty much everything that the Rams are probably going to present to them. They've already accounted for all the different scenarios the different situations that pop up in big games. And they have the confidence to execute windows moments present themselves. I. Can't say the same thing for Sean McVeigh and his upstart Rams team. Which is why gotta give to the pats. It's interesting that sometimes ignorance is truly bliss, and when you you play young players, they don't even know that they're over mats. And there's there's something to that. And that's something that the Rams may benefit from. They may not even realize some of the difficulties associated with the Super Bowl. And and they'll look back at the game and say God, I wish we'd done this wish we'd done that. But that can actually be a helpful part of the process to and I appreciate the young guys that are there. There's a bunch of young guys on that staff whether chain Waldron the passing game coordinator Andy Dickerson that sits line coach. Both those guys were in New England. They were part of the PHD program they've grown up EJ ever owes another. I think there's a lot of young smart coaches on safm and to nice mix with Wade Phillips. And now you've got this group of stars. You've got this group of stars that have the oppor-. Tune ity to to solidify legacy. And from a talent perspective this seven number ones on that defense. We were talking about this last night. I think it's really interesting seven number one picks on the Rams defensive either drafted themselves required via trade or free agency. Dante fowler. The most the latest one they got midseason and you've made the point. And I think it sounds like a basic point. But I don't think it can be hammered home enough that when you build your team the way the Rams do which is the almost the opposite of the patriots. As far as the patriots. Don't have a ton of a players like guys that'd be a ninety plus on Madden rating. Right. But they have enormous depth. When you try when you will build your team by going star star star those guys have to show up in a game. Like this. I want to talk about one of those stars on the other side of the bull because he was a star for the patriots last year and branding cooks. And specially since Cooper Cup went out. The Rams need Brandin cooks a play well for the offense to look the way we know it can my. Sern for the Rams and their use of brain and Cooksey's. I would imagine the patriots know exactly what he likes to do what he doesn't like to do what he does. Well because he was there last year with that team. If you had a player that was on your team one year, and then you're going up against him the next year how much of an edge does that give you schematically? It does give you an edge. But it only gives you an if the other team accommodates that edge. And so, and I think the experience component of this is the same thing. So if the Rams go into the game and worry about what New England's going to do to them. They're playing the playing catch up, and they don't have. They don't have the the lead in that. If they take that back and they forced New England constantly just them. And if it's Brandin cooks situation where the trying to get him open. You've got you've got to give New England different looks you've got to put them in different spots. So that they. Can't just lineup and take away those things that you shown the EDSA would be with coaching in a player type situation because of that intimate knowledge you have of his strengths and weaknesses as important for the Rams to be proactive and not reactive to what the patriots presented them. They're going to have to adjust and they're gonna have to go to the sidelines. Okay. This is how the games being played. And that's an important thing to understand. But they also need to establish. We're gonna try to play this game on our terms as well. We you have a rule-based defense. You have a rule base offense. You have all these things that you want to do. We're going to force you to think about it and talk about on the sideline and just us and take that that edge back in the one the one thing that's critical to be able to do that is getting out to a hot start. Because Nick, we talked about it before the patriots in their Super Bowls prior court a grand total of three points in the first quarter. I mean, that's we have to look at. Okay. The Rams have an opportunity to dictate the complexity of the game. Game by getting out to a hot start early. I think that's something that they've got to focus on some clear. All the Rams have to do is get out to a hot start over the patriots and play their game and not play reactionary football. Vantage Rams coach stick around. Coming up can gronk the difference maker and possibly his final NFL game. We'll discuss that next. Back here. First things first with Chris canny in for Chris Carter who is in Atlanta this week time for your AT and T wake of call. Newsflash the Super Bowl is this Sunday match for the greatest quarterback coach combo of all time. I the youngest quarterback coach combo of all time. Chris Kenny what in your opinion is the X factor in this matchup is going to be the running backs for both teams for the patriots offensively James white. He's an accomplished receiver out of the backfield. He stirred all time touchdown scored in the big game. And he's only played in two Super Bowls. So I think that the patriots look to utilize them in the passing game. You saw the Rams struggle with that against a Saint to the NFC championship game Mukamal had eleven catches for ninety six ers. I think James watt to be a big part of this can the Rams get to the get to Tom Brady with someone other than Aaron Donald three times. I'm Brady's entire career has one player had more than two sacks on him in a game. So if they're going to get to Brady a bunch of times, it's gonna be a collective effort. Dante. Allard their midseason acquisition in consumer off season. Acquisition can one of those guys. Add some punch to what we know. Donald will bring that to me could be the X factor that tips the game and the patriots favor and the Rams favor, pardon me, moving onto someone who knows a thing or two about the Super Bowl Chris long. He helped the patriots beat the falcons in Super Bowl fifty one. The eagles beat the patriots and Super Bowl fifty two this year. He had another productive season with six and a half sacks on an eagles team that made another run, and he is helping us break. It all down joining us. Now live from Atlanta, Chris good morning. Thanks or getting up and hanging with us. No problem. Good morning, y'all. Well, so let me ask you what it's like being at the Super Bowl as a spectator after you were at the Super Bowl as a player for the the prior two years. What's the week been like for you? So far. Well, it's funny for eight years. My season was done like clockwork on January first. So you get you get used to win and fast, and certainly it's better to be planning this situation. But I'm still happy. Life is good. All right before we get to Xs and os. And some of the great stuff you're doing off the field and this football game. Let's get to what's really important. You were a freshman when our own Chris Canty was a senior UVA. And if I know. I know anything about Kris canny, he first of all I don't know what transcripts he fudged to get into UVA. But that's neither here nor there. What do you have any embarrassing tales anything to tell us about Chris Canty before he was Super Bowl champion, Chris Canty that you can tell us about. No. Because to me he was like team, captain, Chris Canty, go seem. I'm not turning on Chris Canty? I think you will be snitching on national television. See I gotta ask you this. You've been in a big game to pass two years the former being with the New England Patriots. And you guys beat the Atlanta Falcons and Super Bowl. Fifty one talk to me about the preparation that you went through the two weeks leading up to it. And how much of a difference? It is being in a locker room with a lot of guys that have Super Bowl experience. Yeah. The experience helps a great deal. I think experience helps in what you talked about. Which is the preparation and help knowing the lamb when you get to an Atlanta, Minneapolis or wherever the games played knowing you're going to have to you know, media and radio row every day. It's gonna break up. Your day is going to be a lot of commotion chaos. People are going to be pulling at you in one hundred different directions. And when you get your room to sleep at night. Finally, it feels like you've been in you're in this fishbowl. You know, you're never alone. You never feel like settled. And that's what being at the super bowl's all about and getting gossip repair in spite of that is a big part of it. Chris new guys invented the underdog role to the degree that you had you had the masks yet backup quarterback. It was authentic. It was real now the greatest dynasty in the history of professional football has tried to take that mantle and say actually, no one believes in us. What has been your reaction seeing the most successful team ever take on your guys? Underdog role. Like the way you're framing it. It's it's cool to influence people. So that's what's going on. It's an honor. But I think at the end of the day. This patriots seem does have a lot of detractors doubters for a long time people have waited for their demise. And this year, they certainly have been a different type of team and they've had their laws like anybody else. So people jumped at the opportunity, and they remember that stuff, but at the same time. Yeah, they're favored in the game. So I don't know if they can put the dog mass on, but whatever gets those guys going Tom's, a great motivator bills, a great motivator, and they have had their doubters. Chris Canty gave us a little insight into what happens in the last forty eight hours that there are some tweaks that are made to the game plans a couple of new plays. That are putting that are being put in your eagles took down the patriots last year to win Super Bowl. Fifty two would advice. Now, would you give weight Phillips and the Rams defense for slowing down Tom Brady because obviously Wade is watching and he's going to need a few more extra little pieces of advice and insight to tweak for this defense. Well, the front the front has to stay patient the front can't get discouraged. You're not going to touch Tom for long periods of time timing passing. They're gonna take away your best player throw the kitchen sink, Aaron Donald gods like Fowler and sue have to step up. And I think they will. And there's going to be times where in your head. You're saying man, it's the third quarter. And we haven't really gotten a good hit on him. But like we didn't the game we stayed after it and eventually they have to go away from chipping out and seven-man protecting quick passing and Biji was able to make a big play. You gotta make account when you get there. Chris your eagles beat the Rams in LA the past two regular seasons. What is the key in your opinion in slowing down that explosive Rams offense? Well, I think actually it's it's your offense control in the football. And that's something that the patriots have done. Well, if I'm the Rams I I want the ball at the beginning of the game seeing the patriots last two opening drives against the chargers. And then against the chiefs, they were tone setting drives they were about ten minutes of peace, and that's the moralizing not just for the defense. But oppress puts pressure on the offense. If we go out here and go through now this this could get ugly early. Aaron Donald might be the best player in the NFL. We always talk about quarterbacks guys score tell you. Okay. You said if he is you played with him. I assume he learned most of it from you. But the things he didn't learn from you. What makes? Yeah. Well, he did pull it makes him so special like what there's a lot of great athletes in the league, what makes him differentiate himself. So I will take credit for being the first one to say is a hall of Famer. And I stand by that. So but at the end of the day, I think his work ethic. You know, you get into the film. Mhm room. And you think you'd last guy in the building, you know, your eight year vet and there's this rookie. You gotta kick them out of the the film room. And that's the way he works. When you pair that with his physical ability his violence on the field his leverage. He's got the leverage of somebody who's five foot ten, but the but the length of somebody six foot five, he's got great hefty. He flips hips while he's got a second and third move. Where most guys don't have a counter, and I think that's what makes them great. Chris. I wanna bring it a little bit closer to home and talk about your team. There have been some reports out of Philadelphia that Carson Wentz was selfish or egotistical and that he needs to change in terms of his approach and relating to his teammates coaching staff to that you say what? To that. I say well first off I'm like woes eleven days ago. So I don't wanna give it legs like that. But at the same time, I just feel I guys came out and indefens- Carson right away. The reality is Carson's a great teammate. He's always been an exemplary teammates to me. And I'm not a big fan of anonymous sources. So I try not to give it to me too much legs anymore. What did you what do you make of the scene? The ability felt to me watching that win. Nick foles was in there that the secondary played some of its best football. You guys looked more as pass rushers like this Super Bowl champion eagles. Obviously the quarterback is not actually affecting the way the defense is playing what do you make of how those lined up and some of the narrative surrounding that. Well, I think at the time that Nick stepped in. And unfortunately for Carson when his injury got too much to play with. We got healthy and a lot of spots. I mean, pure and simple. I mean, you look at some key ofensive pieces. We acquire golden Tate sproles gets healthy who still an amazing player. We get TIMMY Jernigan back on defense. We get some keys back in the secondary. Some young guys step up. They start to guys that were coming off. The street are starting to learn the defense and jell together. So for Knicks for the sake of Nick everybody kinda got on board and was playing good ball. It was unfortunate for Carson because he missed the boat on that we had a lot of the same issues we had two years ago now where we able to overcome it and still win the Super Bowl. But that's the anomaly, that's exception to the rule. We had a lot of the same issues this year. It just wasn't enough to overcome this point. We basically know everything there is to know about Tom Brady the way he eats sleeps trains relates to his wife as a father as a teammate all of it. He made headlines by saying recently, you think I played a go to pro bowls actually trying to win rings. Can you just give? A little bit of insight into what is there anything? We don't know about him the way he trains the way he approaches games like the Super Bowl into how competitive he is. I mean, what's something? That's just not quite out there yet about Tom Brady. Even if it's something small. Man that is a tough question because there's everybody's trying to crack the Tom Brady code. But I just think I remember one situation when I got New England and I've been a good player in the league. But by no means a superstar in my opinion, and I get to land and Tom comes up to me and properly introduce himself. Hi, chris. My name's Tom. Nice to meet you. And I'm like, yeah. I know your name, dude. You don't need to introduce yourself. But that's the type of team mate. He is. And and it's it's not an act. I mean, he genuinely cares for everybody in the locker room. Whether you just got there, or whether you've been there ten years, and he's the type of guy that you know, in your locker when your best players are humble guys down to earth and take care of each other teams going to be good to Chris you doubled up on me on Super Bowl rings. You got one with the patriots and one with the eagles, which one do you cherish the most? Well, you know, I got to say it's a tie. I mean, one of them twenty three will never be duplicated that comeback and being a part of that machine. That's kind of turned out a bunch of championships was great Philly was like a three month adrenaline rush. You know that run, you know, including when we had Carson still we were picked to be like twenty-seventh in the league division. It was unbelievable before Carson went down, it became more unbelievable with Nick. And you know that run we went on a ended with beaten the patriots who I think we're like ten point favorites against us. So at the end of the day, they were both different for a lot of reasons matter how many championships they went in Philly will always be the first and that special Chris your football resume is unreal. Obviously number two pick in the draft. You're you're a guy who now is a two time SuperBowl champion. I I actually find what you've done off the field to be more. Impressive. I you are one of an Icee this with knowing how many great people in the NFL one of the greatest human. Beings in the league as far as what you've done with your platform to help people who are less fortunate. You might be rewarded this year with the Walter Payton man of the year award for that. And we'll talk more about that in a bit. But I'm curious what made you decide last year you were going to play this game for free. And what is made you decide to become such a humanitarian in addition to football player. Well for me. I mean, my wife, and I have always had caused we got behind and Saint Louis. I mean, we tried to be very charitable in that community. We did a lot of that more under the radar. And there was a realization I had at some point in the league where I said, I've got this platform. We've got this. Great this great vehicle to make change in fans in the NFL community. You know, we need to do more things we need to to form a foundation and do some public stuff. And fortunately that happened around the same time that I got on good teams. And that elevates everything you do off the field. So whether it's our clean water initiative. Water boys dot org war, the educational equity stuff that you're talking about their decisions that we make knowing that we need to lean on the fans and the fans like you said, I donate my salary. Okay. That's cool. But the fans double d investment in educational equity in all three cities. I played. So without them. You know, the footprints not as big I Chris. Well, Nick mentioned you are the twenty thousand Walter Payton men of the year ward nominee, Princeton, presented by nationwide tells a little bit. But what that means to you? Well, it means a lot. I mean, it elevates all thirty two nominees causes Nationwide's on a great job of elevating on award. That was already for status. They give us fifty thousand to be nominated. If you win you get two hundred fifty thousand of your foundation. So obviously, we're all trying to win. But at the same time, I it's not about the award to me. That's not why any of us. Do it. You know? And somebody said something to me, they were like, hey, you know, all your hard works paying off. And I said, no the hard works paid off. It's paying off when we provide clean water books to kids who don't have them, you know, and it will continue to pay off whether we went on award or not. But it does help elevate. Our causes a lot Chris. You've added amazing pro-career eleven years. I know toward the end of it cost on thinking about retirement, I'm gonna give you a chance to break some news on our show. I thinking about retirement or are you gonna come back and play in twenty nineteen. I will break the news that for the month of February. I'm not exercising. Might feel like retirement, but I don't know what's going to happen. I Chris thank you so much for joining us really good stuff and continue with the important work that you're doing. Y'all take it easy. After that. Emphas- want? It all starts at six thirty eastern. Michigan battles. I o than Maryland takes Wisconsin at nine catching all tonight on this one. And the fuck sports was kansin sneak into the top twenty five Maryland put a beat we on our back. Fallback about those charge taken Jubran. Sorry. Go ahead. Come back to the show. Yahoo. Senior NBA writer Vincent goodwill joins us. Thanks for being with us. Glad to be here. All right. Let's talk about yesterday's big news Vince will start with this. The Knicks traded fourth year star Kristaps Porzingis to the Mavs and exchange for Dennis Smith junior onto future. First round picks porzingas has not played a game this season recovering from an ACL injury. He had reportedly complained about the direction of the franchise and was subsequently sent Atta town are I've been so let's start with you. What was your reaction? When you first heard about the trade wall took on bridge. Would you say these four few star? Because I don't know if he's proven anything yet to be called a star like network downlisted early of the guys that you would take before him. And he hasn't played the gangs. He hasn't hit the effect on winning to me stars have to have an effect on winning the Knicks. I saw it as a positive move for them. Because look they're going to free agents this summer. They don't need to have. A guy who's not part of the plan when you're trying to recruit guys. And there's a guy saying, you know, what this isn't the place for you. They're trying to remake their reputation Scott periods fighting against twenty years of ineptitude, James Dolan. Phil Jackson, all these other things that have happened to this franchise, and he's the master recruiter. He's the guy that's going to walk into meetings with Kevin Durant, and Kyrie Irving and say, hey, join me. So that's the type of thing that you don't need a guy poising who's been there who's doubling for a couple of years, and it's still reeling from the stink of the Phil Jackson era be there and doesn't like literally if you don't want to be in New York of all places as an NBA basketball player, then you need to go. And I think the Knicks have basically been dealing with this for the past two or three months, they waited. They get the okay, it was really a quiet move. You didn't see it coming, but they had been paying for this for the past few weeks. Once they got the okay that this got want to be here. And we're not going to give a mex- contract to a guy that does not want to be part of this program. I saw it as a positive thing not negative. So Vincent, listen. I have another day job. I'm on the airwaves. New York City and a lot of Knicks fans express outrage when they heard that Christos porzingas was being dealt for what amounts to cap space. I mean, I know they get back. Dennis Smith junior. He'll deandre Jordan west Matthews, but those expiring contracts, and it's really all about being able to create cap space for two max players this summer. How important is it to be able to have cap space for two guys as opposed to one because I feel like we're talking about. Kevin durant? We're automats assuming because he gave KP the unicorn nickname that he wants to play with Christoph zingers. But now the situation that the Knicks are in feels like k D's going to be offered the opportunity to choose his his teammate. How important is that going into this summer? Like, this is the way of the NBA now like I know people begrudged away that LeBron James is going about doing things in the new wave. But when you're offering a guy like Kevin Durant a chance to leave Golden State where he's going to win. Basically his third championship. Maybe stove straight finals MVP you have to offer him more of an incentive. Besides just New York City. You have to say we're going to put you in a place to contend. As soon as possible in the Eastern Conference, whether that's Zion Williamson RJ Barrett in the draft along with another free agent. You have to offer them that chance because not only is Golden State going to give him all the trappings of playing with Steph curry and Klay Thompson and audit infrastructure you once again, you're the Knicks. You're fighting against your history, you need everything in your favor. Now, if Kyrie Irving does not come to New York, and I still think he is very much in play for the Knicks and any other team that will offer him Amax contract. This summer. Let's say you don't get 'em you at least have the cap space, Chris to facilitate trades to make moves with the other contracts and the other draft picks that you've acquire don't discount those two draft picks that the Knicks have got that's sweetener for trade if they can't get a second free agent, but you get a gallon in existing contract from this previous CBA with contracts going to be heavy and strong as the last couple of years. And listen you're talking about a second guy. It seems like you are where I'm at which is I'm I would now be surprised if Kevin Durant is not a nickname. Next year. Are you are you willing? Are you that far there yet? I'm not that far yet. But I will say the possibility now is strongest ever Scott Perry drafted Kevin Durant. Scott pay was assistant GM and Seattle. He's kept a strong relationship with Kevin Durant. Kevin demands camp all through these years. So I would say you don't make a move like this unless you have a pretty good indication that you're at least going to be in the room. You're not going to get a guarantee there's no way you can get a guarantee, but if the Knicks all you wanna do is be in the room, you could barely get in the room with LeBron James in two thousand ten you could barely get in the room with any free agent of note of the past decade. I think they have a greater chance not a guarantee, but a greater chance now then they have had in the past two cycle. And I would argue this is the best position. The franchise is has been in my lifetime as far as the no bad. They don't have bad contract anymore. The Knicks invented the bad contract. The league invented a rule called the Alan Houston ruled let the next get rid of bad contract. And the Knicks used their Allan Houston. Exemption player not named Allan Houston. They gave Drome James bad contract. They gave him heartily June. Everybody. Right. So now, we go down the list. So now, they have the ability to offer. Kevin durant? Not just a MAC steel, but they can offer him his own team. And by that, I mean, not only are you the guy, but you can this summer play GM as well, if you have a relationship with Kyrie Irving, if you relationship with Jimmy Butler view of relationship with Kimball Walker, you can tell us the other guy you want, and if you want if he wants to come with you. They don't have to snow the pieces they gotta move. They don't have to trade future picks. They don't have to take on a bad contract. It's all done, and that doesn't even mention the ion lottery ticket and if the lottery ticket only fourteen percent chance, but it's not like he's the only in the draft Djalmir answer. Good player RJ, Barron. Cam reddish, like they're going to get one of the top five players in the draft. And I would say there's one amazing players I on and three other potentially really good players. So I love this for the Knicks. I I'm concerned on the maverick side. Because I get why you want to get the upside of Kristaps. But what you're getting with Kristaps is a player seven foot three and the list of seven foot three guys who've gone through their career without major injury history. Mark Eaton and that's it. Everyone else that tolls. Had major injuries repeatedly or recurring injuries. And you have no none of the flexibility. You're talking about of the ability to acquire players via trade by throwing and draft picks. They don't have any they have none now. And so what you have. I believe Luca. If I was making when we were talking NFL this year. I said Patrick Mahomes would be the if the league disbanded, he's the most valuable piece in football that if you were starting a franchise to me Luca has made himself number two Jaanus if the NBA disbanded, and the first pick would be honest, but given age given trajectory the Mavs have the second most valuable piece in the league right now. And to let themselves in to this is what our team's going to because they're gonna have to give Kristaps a hundred and fifty million dollars. I get why you're taking a big swing. But you might only needed a single when you've got Luca. You don't need to take these big swings. They did it. We'll see how it works out. But I agree with these guys for the Knicks. This is a great day in a better day's gonna come on July first when Kevin Durant says he's coming to New York. Thank break. We'll see a little bit later on the show coming up to time Super Bowl champs. Chris long joins us from Atlanta. That's next on. I. Vincent goodwill. The NBA gifted us with a few surprises last night one being LeBron James considered doubtful for last night's game against the clippers. He did return to the floor after missing seventeen games scored twenty four points last night was one sister way from a triple double in a big overtime win over the clippers Lakers are now just one game out of the playoff picture preparing for a big Saturday matchup with the Golden State Warriors. Here's the Bron James on his return to the court. Great right now, definitely ecstatic about being back out there with my guys. And again, a great role in versa Tena where you know, kind of climate in the playoff race. But being five weeks I'll throw right now, which I click my shoes and be home right now my base, but it was great to be back on love. Clothes. I love suits. When I didn't come here to put on the suit everyday come put on jersey. I'm sure it's that's what I came into lead a team. Best way. I know how. So, you know, that's that's the frustration part. When you saying your team struggle, and you know, how much you can help them, and you can't do anything in a suit and tie. So. Should've negatively Sasha creep into the my. Our events in. What you think of what LeBron last night I'm going to upset Nick with this one not bad for the third best player of all time. Corrine one him j two verse arena best career, Mike, the better. We can debate this another time. But but when you look at it not for twenty two like, I'm not necessarily looking at the numbers. I'm looking at how he played when you're coming off of going injure show. Chris you can sort of a late to this. There wasn't. There wasn't a lot of lift coming off. There wasn't a lot of exertion of effort on the jump shots or get into the basket. A lot of those places that used to be done. They were layups. I think he's trying to still feel his way around his body. I don't think he's going to be completely all the way. Right. So what why do it last night against the clippers? He's not even going to push himself this far on Saturday against the Golden State Warriors. We know LeBron that he caused the chill mode. I call it being smart for the playoffs because he's not going to exert himself. Too much over the next couple of weeks. But I do think Nick after the after the all star break, depending on where the Lakers are the painter who may or may not be on his roster. He's going to have to do more to put this team in a better playoff position. Because you don't want to be in seven or eight you wanna be in kind of that five six or maybe maybe six, right? Six seven is very different hate want is Golden State in the. I right. And so, but listen, it's night light nights like last night. Which is why he is the greatest player of all time full stop because he wasn't fully healthy. He didn't have his wind. His shot wasn't falling. And in the second half. He gives you nineteen nine and five in. There's no must win games at the end of January. But when you are potentially going to fall three back of the eight seed with thirty games to play in the Western Conference. It's a necessary game. This was as important of a regular season game as they'll play because of who they were playing. This is more important than the warriors game. Even the warriors game will get more pub- because you at a loss to the warriors. Who cares adding a loss to the team you're chasing in the eight spot, really matters. Lebron clearly was not fully himself, and he was dealing with something he hasn't dealt with sin Thais school. Which is what do I do when I haven't been able to practice the way I won't to for over a month. He broke his wrist. High school that was the only real injury he had ever suffered. But even that was different because he could still running so keep it's cardio like the concern for players at his age is once they do get hurt. And the routine is thrown off does it lead to other injuries? We don't know yet if that will happen with LeBron what we do know is he in the first half. He didn't look at all like himself. It looked like it was on the board that has all time record of double digit points could be in jeopardy in this game. And then the second half he found a way even though he didn't fully look like himself to fill the box score and lead his team to what should have been a comfortable victory. If not for a fourth quarter swoon by the entire team that let this go to overtime. Get ahead of us. Third quarter game they came out and halftime and they put their foot on the gas. And that's LeBron James being able to facilitate offense for all the other players on the Lakers. You know, what that five week absence that he's had the office has had no flow guys really didn't understand their role. And so I think that's why they struggle. But with the Brian James comes back. He said. The table for everybody involved. But the one thing I will say when we're going back to the injury. I think everybody starting to realize the Brian James can't play at the consent sustained level in terms of usage rate that he used to when he was in his ladder twenties and the prime of his career like he's clearly to me on the back nine of his career, and I'm not saying from productivity standpoint, but I'm saying from a health standpoint an older player with that kind of usage rate. It's inevitable because he's going to start to break down. It's inevitable that he will have to deal with injuries. If you don't get another superstar put with him. So I wanted to ask you does this put more pressure now on rob Pelinka Magic Johnson to try to pair superstar with LeBron James sooner rather than later. Look this pressure. Magic Johnson from the data. He took over this job. His statues off front five championships. Lebron is there because of him not necessarily because of anything. Genie bus, rob Pelinka, anybody else's done. And when you go to the Lakers at that stage of your career is with the inherent promise that someone else is going to come down a line because we saw include. Cleveland not think that it was a perfect situation from usage standpoint that kyri Irving was there, and he could take on some of those big shots late in the fourth quarter, and he could not necessarily running offense. But you could carry an offense dredges since some possession standing in. Yes. And Kyrie you could do it all himself and your NBA finals against the Golden State with Gary remained. I don't I don't think there's any other player a perimeter player that could have done that the way Kyrie Irving did that. And I know Nick like this. We all we all like to say Little Brown was the VPN, and he was, but he's a certain type of player that needs a certain type of specialized help around him from Superstock standpoint role players little bit different. But superstars this is where I'm going to be curious to see if Anthony Davis does get there. How the usage works. If one's gonna be willing to take a step back from allowing the offense to be run through someone else. Because everywhere he's been every team. He's played on offense has been run through him. And rightfully so. Because he's the smartest play on basketball. Will he be? Willing to take that type of step back for a guy that can Davis. Luckily does this team as currently constituted constructed as it make the playoffs today? Don't bring anyone else. Yes. They're going to they were in fourth place before the brand got hurt. They'll make the playoffs. The key is Vinnie touched on avoiding that eight seed. And personally, I'd rather have the six or seven in the five I wanna be on the opposite side of the bracket of Golden State. And I didn't think it all the way to Western Conference. All right Vinson. Thanks so much for joining us next. Christian McCaffrey joins us live from Atlanta next. Her so Christian McCaffrey quite a season for the Panthers. Nearly two thousand yards from scrimmage good enough for third in the league too short seasons in the NFL is turn himself into one of the most versatile offense of weapons in all of football joins us. Now. Live from Atlanta Christian. Good morning. Thanks for being here. Guys have me. Thank you. We talked so much about the adjustment that a lot of players have to make from the college game to the pro game. But what was your biggest adjustment from year one to year two because that's where a lot of guys grow. The most. Think I think the game definitely slowed down for me a little bit. I think you see a lot of growth from from your one year to like, you mentioned, obviously, I'm very lucky I get a share the locker and with a lot of unbelievable veterans guys who have been through a lot of adversity had a lot of success. So just being able to pick their brains and and continue to grow continue to learn the offense better learn defenses better. And just kind of really understand the running back position has been great for me Kirsten, we talked about the jump that players make from year one to two I wanna talk about the job that you plan to make going from year one in north Turner's offense to year to just looking back on a twenty eighteen season your respective role in offense, and how you plan on improving on that and being better in twenty nine thousand nine. Right. Yeah. That's beautiful thing about footballs. You can always improve. And when you got a coach coach Turner who's coach some of the most elite backs in the history of the game. You know, guys that I had posters on my wall of you get excited about that. Because there's always room to grow, and there's always room to to keep yourself accountable and not get complacent, and and I'm really excited about it. You I try to pick his brain as much as I can he's one of the best offense and minds I've ever got to work with. So it's really been an honor. And I'm excited to continue working with them Christian. It's become very in vogue to say running back through a replaceable that you should never spent a first round pick much less a top ten pick on a running back that you can find quality running backs anywhere in the draft. If not undrafted free agents, what's your response to that? Well, I would just look around the league. And you see the impact that they're running back has on each. And every team I think the best teams have you running backs? And I think the game is shifting now to to more of a versatile running back guys who can who can run who can catch you can block really three down every now and back who impact offenses all around the league. I mean, you see with with the two teams that are playing in the Super Bowl right now. And so I think it's extremely valuable obviously, I'm a lobby for that. But I do think it's it's such a valuable position. Well, a ton of your value comes not just your -bility to run between the tackles or run away from guys off the edge. But your value as a pass catcher, how hard is that been to develop? And what do you think is the best part of your game? Oh, man. I mean, I think it's definitely difficult to develop I've always taken pride and being a complete back doing stuff like like Marshall Faulk, and and ladainian Tomlinson and Emmett Smith did back in the day, you know, passing catching the ball running the ball in between the tackles outside. You know, whatever it is. I love playing football of the ball in my hands. And so I try to be on the field as much as possible to help my team. And so I think that's that's part of becoming a complete back. It's it's it's tough. But but I love it. Speaking of your team, you guys started out six to the season. And then things sorta went sideways a little bit. You finished at seven and nine looking back over the year. What do you think it was what happened this season? Oh, man. I mean, there's there's so much that happen. You know? It's never one thing. It's I love a lot of people like to put it on Cam shoulder. And it's never just that one thing. You know, you look at multiple games that we lost where within six points at the end of the game. You know, every you can look back on plays. I look back on the film AMAN. If I just did this. We would have won. If I just did that we would have won. And thank you go around the whole team, and you can say that I think it's football is you know, the the best game in the world. There's there's there's so such a team element to it. And there's so many moving pieces at one time, it's really hard to pinpoint one thing. And especially in the NFL where it really is any given Sunday in any team can win. So we have such an unbelievable team. We got great players. Great leaders, great coaches. And so it's just more fuel to the fire heading into this next season Christian. You said a lot of people wanna put it on camp shoulder from figure standpoint. But I wanna talk about Cam shoulder literally a little bit concern about your quarterback, undergoing another show discharge. This off season. No, he's he's he's an incredible competitor, very hard workers. And I know he's going to do whatever it takes to get back as quickly as possible. We've got an unbelievable staff out there as well. So I know they're going to take it extremely seriously and make the best decision. I know he's going to he's going to be ready to roll. All right. I wanna stay their own Cam Newton for a moment. Full disclosure. He's one of my favorite players in the league. And I think he's one of the most unfairly covered players in the league people look at his raw passing numbers. And don't equate what he does for you guys in the running game. Even when he's not running the football how much easier I think he makes your job because he's a threat as a runner and in my experience in talking to guys people seem to really like him. And the emotion of the team goes with him. Who is Cam Newton. The Guy Forget the skills of quarterback that guy the leader and things people might not know about who. Cam Newton is off the field for you guys. I mean, I think you'd appreciate you saying that kind of being a younger player in the league not really knowing you step into a team like the Panthers Cam Newton as a quarterback. You don't really know what to expect and one thing I've learned about him. And he's one of the best teammates. I've ever had. I've never heard him say negative word about about anybody's always positive. He thrives off of genuine positive energy. And he's real all the all the stuff you see him. And and that's what makes it fun. You know, he he's allowed me to to bring the fun back into the game. Get very serious and very very driven which is good. And I'll never lose that. But he he's kinda brought brought back to the kid aspect of having fun playing football. And so it's it's been been a lot of fun playing just real quick one follow up you mentioned bring back the kid aspect at any point. They'll have you said, hey, man. I wanna keep some of these footballs. When I score touchdowns you make. Feel like he's made it a team mandate. You have to find a kid to give them to it's fun to watch. But you gotta have something on your mantle at home or something any pushback there. Yeah. No, absolutely. I think I mean, it's such a good thing. He does man whenever we score gives gives the balls away as gifts, obviously. And I mean, that's a cool deal to be a part of really cool thing. But I think you're executive I might have to keep some of these depends. He almost tried to give away. My first touchdown ball in Detroit. I wouldn't let them that one person. We got word that Julius peppers just announced his retirement your thoughts on him as a teammate in his career. Oh, man. I tell you why it doesn't doesn't get better than him. And as a once again just has a young guy entering the league being able to learn from someone like him was an honor. I think that's that's kind of the words. I would say words I would use to describe him and his career man of very little words. But just a guy who did it the right way. Who was obviously an unbelievable player, but an unbelievable person. And obviously you see him up for Walter Payton man of the year. So hoping he he ends up winning that two for one last raw. But it was an honor to play with him. He's a great person great player. Great mentor to to everybody's come through the league Christian. I wanna talk about C, J Anderson. I've really enjoyed watching him in the last couple of weeks just because he's really enjoyed playing the game again in the last couple of weeks. He started the year with the Panthers. He's now playing for the Super Bowl Rams. Well, SuperBowl Rams were trying to get a Super Bowl user prize. He has been this effective for the Rams this resurgence. If you will of his career. I'm not very surprised. I think you look at his career. And you look at the the numbers he put up with Denver. He's been a Pro Bowl. He's been a heck of a player in the league for a while now and a lot of time. It's such a situational league. You see backs all over the place who do well with one team, maybe no new wealth another, and I might just be because that's not their fit. And so to see him find a good fit in LA. And obviously the success that the teams had success that he's had his no shock to me. You know, he's an unbelievably hard worker and a guy who. Knows how to knows how to have success reads the whole extremely well. So it was a lot of fun to be able to play with them for a little bit Christian. I joked with you off the air that you're breaking ankles and breaking stereotypes. But I was only really half joking. I'm curious in your career, pre Stanford. Did you have coaches try to convince you to play different position? Did you have to almost fight to play running back or was it obvious? You were always going to be a running back. No. That was one of the toughest part about, you know, the whole recruiting process was I didn't really understand or know if a coach wanted me as a true running back whereas hybrid. So so I knew this Stanford one in me as a true running back and I wanted to play an approach style offense because I wanted to show that I could play running back. I could run in between the tackles. That's kind of been the thing. I mean, my whole life or whatever reason. But I was just really thankful that coach Shah and their whole staff gave me an opportunity believed in me the way that they did. And use me the way I wanted to be used Christian last two years. The organization has used three of the first four drafts elections. Oh skill position players yet. Your team finished behind everybody else in your division and yards and points. Do you guys feel any pressure? When you look around the league at these other explosive offenses to be more productive in that regard. Yeah. We're we're always searching. It'd be productive. I think anytime you step on the field. You wanna move the ball north? So I wouldn't say it's pressure to to beat these other teams. I think it's pressure to put points on the board. So whatever whatever we gotta do to to do that is what we're going to try to do, obviously. Once again, I think it's very situation. You gotta look at every every dynamic every aspect of the game. But I definitely think there's room to improve there's always room proven. And we're excited to get after question. Two quick questions. One who's gonna win on Sunday. I'm sure you've been asked by everyone. Oh, man. I hope I hope they both lose. Honestly, I just I think it'll be a competitive game. Literally did not give us an. Two year here on behalf of a partnership with old spice tells more about that. Yeah. It's been a great week being able to spend with old spice. They just launched their all their new products. They got five new body washes in the fresher collection that you can get at Walgreens. And you know, it's been cool being able to part of being an athlete who showers all the time. The one in particular the exposure eight this right here. It with charcoal as great it's cool to have a product that has, you know, real ingredients real benefits, it's fresh. So it's been a fun week being able to spend with them. You got teammates that are athletes that don't shower all the time, you're going to give them old spices. Like, so. Stank man. If so if that's the case, then absolutely. I'm gonna have to get him on this quick. That's. You know, you got teammates take shower pill on Friday. They get they get roasted. So much for being with us. Congratulations on great season. Joy the off-season much appreciated. Chris loan. Join us later in the show here with Nick and Chris candy. It's the Chris show here on first things. First time now for giving props breaking down prop bets for Super Bowl. Fifty three dart with the goat Tom Brady. Chris will bring will Brady go over or. Two hundred eighty two enough passing yards on Sunday. Super Bowls that he's played in. He's for an average of three hundred twenty two yards. So I'm going over land for five hundred yards. So yeah, I'm going to take Tom Brady and the over I catch I'm gonna go with the over as well. I think it'll start slow and with a flurry and he'll end up of NAT what happened in the falcons SuperBowl. By the way, when he was twenty one of twenty seven for two hundred fifty six yards from basically the tail end of the fourth quarter to the end of the game. I'm going to go under. However, I think the patriots are going to try to have this game. Have a limited number of possessions. I think they're going to try to get Sony Michelle involved a lot a similar game plan to what they had against the canned City Chiefs, and I think to leave in Peter's can hold their own against the patriot receivers for all those reasons I think Brady's more likely in the two fifties range. So I would go under on this one onto the other starting quarterback in this game. Jared Goff are canny will throw for over. We're under two hundred eighty half eighty five and a half yards under just because I believe the Rams, Pat. The victory starts with Todd Gurley. Anderson if Jared Goff tolls for over two hundred eighty two yards. I'm probably going to say that they're playing behind that game. And I don't think that bodes well for young team going up against the experience doing the patriots. Yeah, I'm gonna go with the over on this because I think they are going to be playing from behind and chasing a little bit. Or at least it's going to be high scoring enough that that he's got a he's got to throw for for at least that number that he's going to have to match with Brady I'm going under for similar reasons as you can't he I think the Rams clears patties Todd Gurley early and often. And I think they're going to see pretty early that golf is not gonna have time back there that if he is going to throw the ball. It's going to have to be quick and he was going to get over two hundred and eighty five yards going to be a lot of yards. After cat town think they're gonna have time for a lot of five probably zero seven step drops in this game. So I'm going to say under for this as well. If we've learned anything from recent history, Tom Brady and Jared Goff might not be the only players to attend a pass in this one. Neither of these teams are afraid of a trick play Chris will over or under two and a half players through a pass comes on. Today. I'm gonna go over that. There's going to be a trick play in this game. We saw last year the Philadelphia Eagles with Philly Philly, and they had a touchdown pass to Nick foles in that game in a pivotal moment. Julian Edelman has a background. He was a college quarterback. So Bill tech is going to have something up his sleeve, and I think Sean McVay will look to try to match that with some trickery. So I'm gonna say over. Yeah. You always go in new game like this with two or three gadget plays. And he saw the flea flicker against Kansas City. And look the punters can throw a there's a host of people that can throw the ball. I'm sure someone's someone's gonna wanna pull the pull something out last year four guys did it because of the Philly Philly, and if you remember famously the pass to Brady that was right out of his reach. So this is an actual bet. I'm going to make this is my favorite of the Super Bowl over. Absolutely. A quarterback gets injured even four series. You win the bet if Johnny hacker whose thrown they do more fake punt in with the fossil kid, right? Is the special teams coordinator there? They do more fake punt the team and. Ball, and we know Juliana Domincan throw. So I love the over on this one. I think at least three guys throw pass in. This was right about her husband. He can't throw it and catch. No. About coaching because whenever you to lock in a bed. I'm to my bet against. You go on the bed. I've never. It's too good to be true. A big part in the patriots AFC championship win at six catches for seventy nine yards. Canny will gronk have over or under forty nine and a half receiving yards on Sunday going over Jenna. And I know the gronkowski that we've seen this year hasn't been the gronkowski of past years. But if you look at the three Super Bowls he's played. He's average seventy yards receiving in those games. The AFC championship game against the Kansas City cheese. He had eleven targets. He got six catches for seventy nine yards. I'm gonna take the over on. I'm taking over as well. One of the worst things you can do is underestimate a great player in a big moment. And I think that that frayed you'll see the coverage whoever they have lined up against them. If it's related it's going to gronk and in that chiefs game where he did his damage was the fourth quarter and over and over at one cats leading into the fourth quarter, I'm going under. However because I think a key to leave is going to be on gronk at least a fair amount in this game. I think they recognize what gronk can do especially on third downs. I think you can put. Marcus Peters on that'll main a keep to leave on gronk in see if someone else can beat you. I think gronk will have a huge impact trying to not only set the edge. But also when you're talking about his way of blocks on Aaron Donald and the run game, but receiving to I think he cracks fifty yards. I do not. So I say under the bet I'm going with also that's my lock. Okay. Both teams have multiple running backs impact the game. Kenny who will have more combined yards from scrimmage, CJ Anderson and Todd Gurley or sewn Michelle James white alone with the patriots running back. So I told you earlier in the so Sony Michelle seventy percent of the snaps. He's in the game for the patriots. He's getting the ball. And then of course, we all know James white is a factor in passing game as a receiver out of the backfield. I think James white is third all time and total touchdowns scored and Super Bowls. He's over played in a game twice. So I'll roll with the patriots runningback say game. James men men. Coverage is great as long as you get match up on on all those guys. And we saw the ram struggle with the back out of the backfield last week, and then they had to the back with the defensive end hit him as he was on his way out. I think that that linebacker. They're gonna have a really tough time dealing with James white. And that's where the numbers are gonna come from. This is a bet for me purely about number thirty for the Los Angeles. Rams. I think he will be the feature part of their game plan. I think who will have twenty plus carries. I think a lot of half dozen catches. So even without. CJ anderson. I might take the Rams running back just based on Todd Gurley. I think they're clearest. Pat. The victory is their best player on offense being dominant. For that reason I'm going to say the Rams running backs powered by a potential potential Super Bowl in VP Todd Gurley. Tom Brady has the best odds to Super Bowl MVP that makes sense considering he's won the award four hundred and eighty seven times which layer is the best long shot to win MVP on Sunday. Four seven b fifty. James Jay is wind is going to be a factor in the passing game. He said it coached you saw the Rams defense struggle against that. In the first half of that championship game with Alba Kamar. He had eleven catches for ninety six yards total that game. So I think James white will have some favourable matchups in the passing game. I think that Bill bell check and Josh mcdaniels will look to exploit that my mind is Josh Reynolds. Wow. So and the reason being is I think they'll take away the to lead receivers. And Josh Reynolds is going to have to come up big. And last week he came up big, and he showed the potential to play in those moments, and he'll have opportunities. He'll have plenty of opportunities. And I also like him carrying the ball looked pretty pretty good when when up chewing on the jet sweep so that would be that'd be the guy look for. I like the analysis on both of your guys. But from gambling perspective. I hate it. Only for this reason both of you for your guys twin MVP they have to have a lot of catches. It is so hard for receiver or pass catcher win. MVP and these games because if they have a big game it almost by default means the quarterback had a became. I know Dionne branch wants to roll in BP for you guys want. So it does occasionally happen. So I'm going long. I'm going to the other side of the ball. Girly wouldn't be considered a long-shot. How about keep to leave a pick six in this game? Big play in this game of change of momentum. That flips the game. I think it keeps leaves going to be the most important Rams defensive player not named Aaron Donald. So at eighty to one I'll take a keep Philippe. All right. We got my favorite ones. Now, the cross sports pry, let's do it. We'll have more points this weekend. Steph curry on Saturday against the Lakers or the patriots on Sunday. Canny we taken I'm going with Steph curry goat as they were on. This went over the patriots total in the game on Sunday stuff. Kerr's average thirty one points for the month of January. I think this is second highest month. I think October yet thirty three, but he only played in nine games. So I'm gonna take Steph curry, I think he's cooking right now. He's finally starting to hit his groove. And I think that this game against the patriot. I mean this game for the Rams into patriots think it's going to be in the twenties. So for that reason I go with Steph. Yeah. I think the patriots gonna score over thirty. And I'm going with steps career average of what is it twenty nine and a half you you'd know exactly seven s. Yeah. Okay. But I'm off a little bit. I'm I think he's gonna stay more more in career numbers. And I think the patriots are going to put up over thirty. So I'm gonna go with Steph. If for no other reason, the on Saturday the warriors play the Lakers, we know lonzo's out Rondo at the very end of the game last night limped off the court. We don't know what defense defensive point guard. They're going to be able to have and Steph can easily win this bet before the game starts set could hang forty two on the Lakers on Saturday. And then you're drawn dead. If you're on the patriot side of the equation. So this is another bet I intend to actually make with real money. I like Steph curry outscored the Lakers team defense. They must be doing something right organ, but part of that's Lonzo. He's not playing part of that Rondo. He's dinged up and overstated steps crew average. All right. Respect. Profits every year. What caller Gatorade? We'll be poured on the winning coach. Can't go ahead. You start. We'll blue and orange. What was no real reason for it? I just like orange Gatorade Virginia graduate. So I'll just hang role with. Yeah. I was thinking clear it'd be out or if it's on the patriots. Oh. But but I at the end of the day went with orange just because I feel like there's more orange gator in the sideline than than other others, orange is the favourite. It's not a bad bet by you. I'm gonna go with the conversation right there. Blue you getting decent money blue at four two one patriots have done it in the past. I feel like the Rams are more blue Gatorade team. And I think the Rams might end up winning this game. So then ones pointing Gatorade. I'd be very careful from the Rams, though, don't be pouring that Gatorade on Wade Phillips. He's seventy year old man wearing Gatorade. Or senior citizens. The cold. To keep it was Sean McVeigh, but I'm going to go. And I think the blue Gatorade people like less. So it'll be it'll be more full. Flowing. Good analysis. Thanks so much for hanging out with that coming up did the Knicks blow their future or set themselves up for championships. That's next on first things. I thank you for listening to the first things first podcast. Remember, leave us a review and tell us what you think subscribe to the podcast on apple podcasts. 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