19 Episode results for "Alita"

Are you a Leader or a Manager?

Plan B Success

09:36 min | 10 months ago

Are you a Leader or a Manager?

"Hey greetings everyone and welcome back to another episode of Plan B's success have. Have you ever wondered whether you work for a leader or a manager or have you wondered whether you yourself are a leader or a manager. There's definitely a difference between leaders and managers. Sometimes the terms are used interchangeably. But today we're going to focus on differentiating French shooting the leaders from the managers. So if you have a team under your guidance and your care where do you want to be. Would you want to be a manager or leader. It's not that one is right and the other is wrong. It's just that the motivations of a manager and leader are very very different. And that's what we're GONNA do visit today in order to find out how you know in the world if enterpreneurship are in the corporate world that we live in these two questions. Nations always apply that they're emphatically are in the back of people's minds and what I want to do. Is I want to get to the root of the differences between leaders and managers and this burglar episode so that we can talk about these qualities that are expressed by by either role. And what they mean to you whether you following someone are whether you are asking others to follow you you know. A manager is actually always preoccupied with making sure that the rules of the organization or of the law department are followed correctly and that work is done accurately. That's what a manager is focused on right conduct of business meeting outcomes predicted your KPI's or your `solas whatever you want to call it. How do I ensure that the work is being done on time? How do I ensure that the work is being done? Accurately as defined by the rules and regulations that a follow and how to make sure that people are following these processes in respecting them. That's what a manager does however our on the leader send it's slightly. Different leaders are about blink. The right thing while managed as I said are about doing things Correctly or by the right rules leaders in fact wanted to make sure that the right thing is being done even if it means breaking breaking some conventions if you're launching a new product or if you're doing something in terms of reporting on the weekly accomplishment accomplishment Alita will not act like a manager since you're required to do it required to report the outcome there about Actively making the case and setting the proper expectations has to how to do the right thing. If it means doing it differently there about outdueling it differently. The focus is always on doing the right thing. Managing people by Anger Management and following through on things. That people need to do. It's not about checking off an item on a checklist. which is what a manager will do but leader? It's not about checking off that item. On the checklist it's about challenging the status quo and asking people to step up to be more productive to be more happier and fulfilled with what they're doing. I think that's the difference between a leader and a manager. Managers said prioritize quantifying thing and measuring value in terms of outcome. Here's the goals we gotta reach. And here's the process that we need to reach these goals. Let's go ahead and do it. Let's go ahead and accomplish those tests in order to get those outcomes that we have to get. That's what manages to their about tracking racking work and tracking results results that have been predicted to be reached whether it's in terms of revenue profit volumes. Costs costs these are the things that managers are tracking our hyper focused on in terms of meeting these goals at the same time when you look at a leader elitist focused on creating value. They don't dismiss the importance of measuring performance. Absolutely not but leader is not just about quantifying results but is also about the quality of work. Look getting done. The quality of output being created the value. That's being delivered and what that value means both to the receiver at the end customer the inclined and also to the one who's actually doing the work the person who's working on PR- abusing that value for the end customer. Or what does it mean to them. That's what leaders are focused on and in order to get to it leaders already to take some risks. Some calculated risks risks in order to meander away from conventions the previews more value whereas managers are not about risk there about sticking Sticking to the rules to get to the outcome predicted the other thing with the leader is leaders love cultivating independent and analytical resources there about motivating people there about enabling people people a leader could come out and say hey I used a process x Y Z in order to get this outcome one two three and I was pretty successful with it. But I'm willing to listen to you. receive this kind of the way of doing this in order to get a better result a better the outcome. And if you have something to say go ahead and let me know. That's enabling people. That's opening up the forum for people to talk and then employees or associates chime in and provide de two cents and a leader angry just to do so guess flocked people will own what they say if you approve a certain way of doing something that at an employee brought up or an associate brought up and you handed back to them to go and execute on it. Guess what does ninety plus percent chance dance that David come out with a very effective outcome whereas a manager is going to tell you that. Hey this is the way to do it. This is the outcome. We gotta get go ahead and do it so manages basically instructing you as to how to go about doing certain thing to reach hub. Predicted outcome manager tells you what to do and how to do and how to get your results leader. Anchorage issue enables you and gets you thinking as to how best to create the value that you need to create not those are the differences between seen a manager and a leader manager gives you tasks tells you the consequences of not completing them. Certainly they talk about what could be the penalties. If you don't reach your goals. Everything is not pure motivation sometimes as negative motivation to performance for instance metrics. KPI's have to be met if they are not met. These are things that we should be looking at in terms of things that are not getting done. These are the things that you would be responsible for and if you don't make your results. These are the penalties that will be applied that's management leader whereas by contrast will enable. You will tell you that. Hey this is a process. I used it worked for me. Is there a better process or do you have something something to add or should we just follow this. You guys tell me how to go about it and wants this open-mindedness as acknowledgement of others thoughts. Guess what the entire team is positively motivated and will own. The outcome will own the process as well as the outcome. And they'll be higher higher-quality outcome moral value created because people understand that the leader trust you. Trust the leader back. And that's that's how that relationship starts flourishing so those are the differences between managers and leaders. Now ask yourself that question again. Are you a leader or manager. Do you report into a leader or a manager and based on the answers you get you know how to interact with your associates associates with your employees as less your supervisors that episode. Please make sure you subscribe to to plan B. Success on your favorite podcasting platform and do share. The would boost. Spread the word with others so that they might benefit from this content. Didn't as well thank you very much.

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Alita: Battle Angel (Featuring Millennial Mike)

Piecing It Together Podcast

1:00:14 hr | 1 year ago

Alita: Battle Angel (Featuring Millennial Mike)

"<music> all right welcome to another episode of piecing it together the podcast where we take a look at a new movie and try to figure out what movies inspired heard it and today on the show. We are talking about a movie that came out much earlier this year <hes> but it's one that I've been wanting to do an episode on for a while now and it's now a V._O._D.. As of this week and we finally have an episode sewed on it <hes> that movie is of course Alita Battle Angel from director Robert Rodriguez and producer James Cameron and of course <hes> based on the Popular Manga. That's been around since the nineties I believe and and this movie had actually been in the work since God almost the nineties or something like that long on time this has been a passion project for James Cameron and it's finally how and it has a legion of dedicated fans out there there <hes> but then it also guy a pretty mixed response when it actually came out but those of us who loved this movie are hoping that it did well enough it it you know it Kinda did do well enough but I mean I mean there's. There's a little bit of a a thing around this movie but I I hope it did well enough that we're GONNA get sequels because this is a world I want to go back to it is a very fun movie and you know if you know what kind of movie you're getting thing into. I think there's a lot of fun to be had so we're GONNA get into all of that in a lot more in the conversation with Mike from the exiles network. It's his first time on the show so when we get into the conversation we'll let him <hes>. Let you guys know a little little bit more about what the exiles network is <hes> but before we do get into that conversation. I do want to remind you as always if it's your first time listening to the show. Please make sure you are subscribed to piecing it together. On Your podcast App of choice you can find us on apple podcasts where you can rate and review U._S. of course and he goes to find on spotify tune in stitcher pocket cast and a whole bunch of other podcast apps and you can also follow us on social media at Piecing pod and join our facebook group popcorn and puzzle pieces are I. I've been waiting to do this episode for a while now. Let's get into it all right so with us today. We've got millennial Mike from the exiles who I met on film twitter awhile back in now. He's here on the show Mike <hes> glad Davir. I'm very glad to be here. <hes> I love your guys podcast well is I always assume everybody has like Oh like battalion people. I love your podcast Dave. It's great I <hes> I listened to vertically so I'm really happy to be here and to be breaking on one of if not perhaps my favorite movie of the year well first of all thank you <hes> thank you for the kind words is about the podcast but I I want to say right here at the beginning and then I'd like you to introduce yourself a little bit too <hes> to the listeners but since you said it's your favorite movie of the year possibly I loved this freaking movie and I don't understand a lot of people who didn't like it it but we will get into that as we're continuing this conversation. Why don't we first since it's your first time on the show? You can tell people about what it is you do <hes> well. PODCASTING is is my game. I got into into about seven eight months ago now. <hes> end if you're not familiar guys it's fi film `exiles. If you haven't heard of us yet we're <hes> we're very new podcast relatively but we're definitely definitely <hes> starting to make a name for ourselves. I guess for better worse but but you'll you'll find that out on the time but <hes> you know really we all just got started with this podcast <music> <hes> because we were really to get our voice as anyone who does passing does and <hes> it's really started to blossom into something. That's really rewarding and fulfilling <hes> we I have <hes> we have a website go going up. We have youtube channel. Things have really been been going very well. <hes> me and my friend Monou are the ones built this the podcast together and we kind of it's funny because we aww released started <hes> on twitter. It's funny how twitter brings people together as as you know tears them asunder but for sure disciplines but <hes> we all kinda started like you know into I I started a twitter D._M.. And it was kind of for for fans of the man of Steel Batman v Superman kind of <hes> community because <hes> you know it's Kinda hard to find some people a better positive about it so sure started maybe two three years ago and as time kind of went on like you know what like we could sit here in you know wallow in our own self pity or we could. Maybe create create a podcast about films that we like so that's kind of how we all got started and ever since then turned into you know something bigger so <hes> we'll definitely i. I'm sure at the end of this podcast will probably have some place for some bugs. If I be so shameless yes absolutely absolutely and Chad Clinton Freeman. If you're listening you need to become friends with Mike here because as we all know Chad's favorite movie of all time is Batman v Superman and he would love to. I'm sure Chabert you guys. Oh Wow so yes absolutely you're next so alita battle angel correct me if I'm wrong but I think we first connected on twitter because I posted something about wanting to do an episode and then just never quite worked out <hes> back when the movie first came out in theaters and I think you had responded and then that's when we got connected and yeah yeah yeah it's funny because with a leader battle angel I guess we're GonNa talk more about it later but <hes> it was very strange from its inception from its you know from the early <hes> press and and the casting news and just kind of the the first trailer and everything was very it was definitely an enigma. Now I think that it turned out to be something <hes> a lot greater than I think anyone was expecting not necessarily from just a pure fiscal standpoint standpoint but just from the <hes> the fandom and the community <hes> there is I haven't seen quite I haven't seen anything grow as fast and stay strong as this on anything like you know current so it's kind of interesting to see kind of the atmosphere <hes> developing around this movie and <hes> and the Phantom 'cause it sure with Vandam and blockbuster films nowadays. It's very <hes> there's not a lot of franchise that stay around for a long time so it sure it's interesting to see kind of like you know how strongly the communities latched on yeah and I mean the the people who are out there who love this movie absolutely love it. I mean we're all you know we really. They want to see a sequel we want to we're looking forward to the home release. People people really did connect within a pretty major way that people who did and I it is a movie that unfortunately I think a lot of people kinda had it out for beforehand and <hes> I would admit up front that I thought it looked ridiculous with the first trailer and the second trailer kind of one we overdo whereas like you know what actually this might be good after all and then I went saw I was blown away. I was like okay yeah. I love this movie to be honest. I was a little bit concerned myself because it was one of those movies because around the same time this came out. I believe the trailer for a mortal engines was also out <hes> as well as the similarities both movies well. There were some <hes> they were heavily a heavy C._G.. Cyber Punkish dystopia Ish <hes> movies with <hes> young cast young young leads and they were they were produced by big names. Yes yeah and kind of have like a director that they were mentoring <hes> and but but the name of the producer was basically what was selling both products right and <hes> so I was really really excited for both of both films actually I think I saw saw mortal engines I in to say well. I definitely Orleans. I came out late last year right right but to say that <hes> will I was disappointed it bluntly. I was disappointed so <hes> you know to see because it was who it was. I'm trying to remember who did the WHO actually directed <hes>. Batman movie. I don't recall the name of the Director Yeah Christian rivers was director. I believe and <hes> producer <hes> see here. Whose name was <hes> Yeah Peter Jaques Peter Jackson the obeyed name they put on it exactly exactly and it's really hard to tell from just the trailer you know really the whole film but it it had that kind of you know scope and that kind of you know <hes> fantasy vibe to with that may be something that <hes> Peter Jackson with do so now? My anticipation fist was high so and when that came out I was like I saw it was like he had you know James Cameron. I mean you know his name attached. But is it going to end up this. I was I had my concerns too. I was all just hype well speaking of James Cameron <hes>. Why don't we get into some puzzle pieces? I'll kick it off with the first one here <hes> and that would be <hes> Avatar. James Cameron's avenue are so I think yeah I know so I've said this before Avatar first one or two times at the theater I was super in and then it started wearing off its welcome and then I tried to watch it once at home and I was like what the hell is this sucks but regardless though I think the <hes> the drive to push technology forward <hes> is something that has always existed in James Cameron's work and Avatar of course is one of the biggest <hes> it is the biggest movie ever still but <hes> the the drive to move technology forward it was the biggest technological leap and honestly before that may have been terminator two <hes> and I I didn't have that as a puzzle piece but I very well may have been before that and I do believe they're a big goal of this movie. Alita was to continue that push and I think the character of a leader <hes> is just so beautifully rendered in such a <hes> just such an incredible piece of computer generated imagery that it's <hes> I I think it was completely successful and you know there's a lot of talk about whether or not you know the anime is and all that were too much in you know got to creepy territories and whatnot but I mean it it whether it was too much for some people are not it certainly accomplished what was going for and it brought that look to life. It brought that whole now I'll have to apologize apologize in advance to all of our nerdy friends out there but I I'm going to get the words anime and Manga mixed up many times overseas Inga Not Manga Manga okay. I want already man eleven forty two man. I'm done I'm done. Yes absolutely absolutely done finish but yeah no. I think that that drive to push technology. The Ford is very reminiscent to me of <hes> of what James Cameron was previously doing with <hes> Avatar especially and <hes> to another degree with terminator as well. You know I <hes> to kind of piggyback before I go in my <hes> puppies as the big the big tobacco for that <hes> I I really agree with as far as the V. affects the way that it was utilized. I don't think that I have ever seen motion or I won't say most after I'll say performance capture as as named Cameron would like to put himself <hes> to this degree <hes> the harmony between the two I mean we've seen a lot of performance capture with animation and cartoons and also different kinds of <hes> animated works but this blend it together with you know real humans and and live actors so well and then to top it off to even to even fathom that Alita carry read the movie while doing performance capture in capture it. It's it's <hes> it's amazing looking at her face. The emotions the the body movements the the body expressions <hes> mm-hmm language is it's incredible and it really allows you to connect to to character. I feel it in a lot of situations that I connected to Alita more so than some of the other characters even and those of the in the live actors as well sure you'll that is where I think good via fax that Look Nice and really effective the effects and performance capture. That's the line that's where separated and that's why I think that hands down no doubt in my mind. This film needs to be Oscar considered. I need to make a spot for this because it's it was incredibly effective and I think it really set on bars. Yeah I mean I think that the time for that award was back with war for the planet of the apes to be honest but I think now it's absolutely again. It's essential that something <hes> gets added it really he needs to happen and <hes> you know I don't know why even just from a purely visual effects point of view isn't it normally like just three nominees for whatever reason I mean they really need to open up the effects. I mean effects are a major part of what movies are alley so I guess I'll go ahead with my <hes> puppies schorr go for it so <hes> this is going to be another cheat and then we'll go into some more than deep cuts against later on that that would be a leader battle Angel Angel <hes> Olivia which I guess you could consider it <hes> you gotTa Do T._V.. Shows is as puppies is too. Don't you sure yeah absolutely okay. I mean I guess video games. Comics can be puzzle pieces or yeah. Usually it's like the majority of them are are straight up movies but then we will throw in a T._v.. Show here and there or a game or or even a cultural events sometimes so yeah absolutely aren't you will the Alita Battle Angel Oh V._A.. <hes> it came out in the early in two thousand I believe <hes> and it was a think a two part <hes> a two part essentially movie <hes> Lovie as our original video animations and they usually are kind of like extra long episodes usually have maybe by two. Maybe maybe anywhere from two to five episodes depending on how how long the the movie is kind of like <hes> like a a limited series kind China but the user maybe an hour long piece that <hes> they really managed to capture the essence of the anime now in a lot of great ways. <hes> kind of piggybacking again on the whole is that they have have a lockable call them anime is but the thing is if you watch the original anime <hes> a lot of the characters didn't have large is they were very narrow very small instances <hes> or they were you know their bionic characters so they weren't Elisa's is kind of expressed her humanity shorts. You know there's a lot of characters that are that aren't flesh and blood <hes> but she kind of stands out because of that <unk>. I'm also a narrative speaking. She's a Martian <hes> and when you watch the film they all of the different Martian characters in the flashbacks also have the same exact is so it kind of fulfills multiple purposes being that she's the lead character she's able to <hes> express the the <hes> I guess perception of what enemy is to gener- audience <hes> for people who are watching the film and they get the context texts of it. They understand that her eyes are unique to her D._N._A.. In the movie it's not a Meta thing you know it has to do with anime or big is or anything like that while at the same time keeping the style in the <hes> and the flair of the actual of that particular particular anime because as no enemy all have different styles so miser large or small some are are very <hes> glossy and shiny. Some are very <hes> beatty. It just depends on what your which you're watching. She'll I really we captured it well of the brutality of it as well. I was when they all kind of concerned about is with these large franchise movies <hes> when they're adapting something like this you know alita is very <hes>. I'm very pretty anime. He and I did a really good job. I think <hes> capturing that grit while at the same time keeping it within the P._G.. Thirteen <hes> you know realm as well it really pushes the boundary quite a bit. I was surprised Oh yeah absolutely even the right to the <hes> the fight between her and <hes> Grisha that I think pretty much encapsulates I think the spirit the film because she has this like he falls down and is this like spire of light and she's like descending like an angel and she has his very like you know <hes> Honorable Berry like a graceful way about her and then as she starts to <unk> fight gets more tired and things start to devolve she starts to become more aggressive until <hes> until she doesn't have any arms or legs and just literally growling accuracy blood on her dot puppy blood on her face stabbing him in the I you know you know shouting obscenities and stuff so all that one seeing really encapsulates the film and the enemy in my opinion so <hes> yeah my puzzle piece would be. The <hes> the alita battle angel or actually as traditionally called Battle Angel Alita. If it's a direct translation from Japanese <hes> I was GonNa ask you actually about that because because I was like didn't they call it battle Angel Alita before and I couldn't quite I wasn't sure about that but yeah I was GonNa ask you about that. Yeah I kind of like the way that they changed it and the reason why is because if you say say battle Angel Alita then you're putting emphasis on the battle angel right and with a franchise the character is the most important thing so show. I saying a leader battle angel you know it. It does a lot of things at one focuses on the character it makes her the centerpiece of the marketing and then also too. If you're GONNA do sequels you can have a lead a colon and you can have a different the thing so this avalanche on then you can have me so you can keep Alita there because she's the character so it it actually works on a few different levels sure well that's a great puzzle piece and <hes> Yeah I mean I I wish I knew more about the <hes> the the whole history of the character and all that but <hes> what they did with it turning it into a movie I mean it clearly must have been pretty cool of a <hes> I would imagine with with the kind of the violence and the cool action action in the cool Saifi and all that stuff it must have been cool so <hes> I'm going to go on to my next puzzle piece which is another <hes> anime adaptation and one that also people were incredibly split on <hes> that is his ghost in the shell <hes> which of course had a lot of controversy over the Scarlett Johansson Casting <hes> but regardless of all that <hes> it was a movie that tried to faithfully adapts adapt an anime into a big Hollywood movie with you know the biggest possible budgets and biggest effects and big huge action and just you know insanely over the top and to me honestly while I was going to sit here and compare I would say that I much prefer Alita battle angel but I actually at the time was also a defender of this movie. I did enjoy ghost in the shell. It had the right level of just just crazy over the top which is something when it comes to action movies. I really <hes> I really enjoy when when they just kinda go all out and just like absolutely throw everything at it and just go totally crazy and I. I think that this captures a lot of that same kind of spirit in the process of trying to adapt what really is really crazy source material and it's a good thing that they didn't try to water it down even if they did whitewash it but they didn't water for it down at least yeah it's very interesting because both films are cyberpunk based on our puck cyberpunk anime slash Manga <hes> technically with the leader. It's actually a Manga that was then made into an V._A.. <hes> and technically this is adapting the Manga Nacchio V._A.. So <hes> but as far as it's concerned <hes> it's it's the same story so sure <hes> but yeah the both email leads <hes> both both brains in a human body Yup. I it's funny because a lot of ways with the controversial is going on with Ghost Ghost Michelle. This is kind of like <hes> Mike a Redemption in that way and to make myself clear. I didn't actually think that there was a problem with the casting and the very same way that I don't think there was any problem with elitist casting. I think that Alita and I think there was I think there was some controversy controversy with the leaders <hes> but it was it was kind of it was <hes> expunge a little bit quicker. <hes> Alita is obviously a Spanish Hispanic with you know <hes> name <hes> so it's also safe to assume assume that you know the character was cast appropriately or the Salazar whereas with ghost in the shell with H._p.. Smoggy or <hes> <unk> as it was called in the <hes> the movie Kira Killian and she's he's had other names in the different <hes> agitations because he takes different bodies different lives different people <hes> it's much more muddled and both films have heavy <hes> themes about trans humanism in them becoming more than human. I'm in <hes> transcending your body and your identity and what that is and all that so both films have all that in there but this one the narrative kind of have like a a free opening to basically <hes> like I said excuse to not have to worry about the same kind of controversy so sure I making this film said making the other one bake got to avoid the controversy while at the same time you could argue. They did the same aimed being 'cause. They're both Japanese characters in a Japanese world. You know will not so much but that's the whole point. That's why it's so confusing and so sure glad because it's like it doesn't <unk> anyway so the similarities are definitely there and <hes> that's a good point. That's a great piece right on right on so <hes>. What do you got for your next one so this one's a more recent one <hes> it's kind of a <music> I guess you could say an obtuse comparison but I think that it embraces a lot of same ideas semantically? That'd be wonder woman <hes> it's funny because <hes> James Cameron came out and said awesome things about wonder woman and I will not say that I do not disagree with <hes> necessarily <hes> regardless <hes> I have been a vocal as I am about everything as you know from any of the exile were quite vocal. <hes> that I've been vocal proponent of the idea that Alita Lita cut actually does what wonder woman was trying to do better <hes> both are kind of these you know bride I'd <hes> youthful women with a heart of a warrior spirit of a warrior royer that are that are they're sent to a land that is that's brutal. That's that's harsh and they basically refused to let it change them right right you know <hes> the whole idea of the battle angel and then of course you know the famous Gary Demi Gods and all that are very divine in nature so that also is another similarity between the two <hes> the whole the whole themes of divinity and and you are kind of in there as well and <hes> acceptance and identity all those things are very very similar <hes> coming of age you could even say <hes> there's some games that are also similar there air to <hes> the action <hes> and even the love story actually is very similar gum so kinda funny because you know he made those comments and he can't with a leader and like I said I'd argue that if you're gonNA make an argument that he's saying hey. I'm GonNa do this better. I don't know it's pretty pretty good argument yeah yeah I gotTa say I see you're right on that and I think it's a great puzzle piece and you're all those themes are totally there within both movies and it's it's interesting that they both would <hes> kind of you know go for similar ideas and stuff like that but it is a it's a great story and there's you know make sense that so many movies would <hes> would look look at a female hero from this kind of a perspective I think I think it's a cool thing I it just one know about that. <hes> the Love Story Angle is is Hugo is no Chris Pine. Oh I witness on twitter actually but no no aside from that no because yeah Chris Pine did an amazing job Gal did a good job and you know what it's like. I'm not a a huge fan of the wonder woman film like bashing necessarily I I guess I am I won't jobs for that but <hes> it was an enjoyable film I watched it twice <hes> day back back to back and and it's good film for sure <hes> but yeah no Chris Pine. You can't replace them. I mean they're trying to resurrect the guy you know you gotTa have two. He needs to be there. You know but yeah no I I agree. One woman. I think is a collection of great scenes with not a particularly great movie around it you know and it it. It's a good movie though yeah and I don't want to wax poetic too much on this but I think that the the reason I say that the themes were done better leader just on that all lip service actually explaining what my my point is the idea is that you know they need to discover. Come to realization station right that the world is cruel and it's not gonNA change them but the world you can't necessarily teams world that was that was a strong theme in one room and too strong theme in Alita now I feel like. <hes> at the end of one woman and we can get into all the the conspiracies and whatever it none of that really matters but I didn't feel sincere because at the end of one room as we all know so <hes> they kill <hes> aries the God of war and all the soldiers on the field are league literally hugging and out you know they're all they're all friends in it's like and then she's you know has his monologue in that. She's jumping toward the screen and it's like I'm. I'm wondering always be there and as we know this is this film takes place into a continuing where shortly after this she actually leaves for one Hundred Years <hes> he leaves for a hundred hundred years after this because she was disillusioned and she was depressed and she felt like she had disdained for humanity so she left and she didn't she went away she disappeared for a hundred years and she she comes back and Batman v Superman <hes> so it we know knowing that it broke the narrative and it didn't make sense it and feel sincere in the moment so there are some there are some something going on there. I don't know what it is but it didn't feel right to me but with the leader <hes> you know she has to come to grips with the fact that Hugo <hes> her human lover and the situation <hes> is is basically breaking down people like her fur pieces Susan selling him because he wants to get dissolve them and this he's coming representative of how you know <hes> I guess iron city you know take sucks the soul out of people and forces them to become become this this darkness in order to survive and at the end he does turn around but the more bittersweet ending I think kind of compliments the the the the duality of the situation how you know her goodness isn't GonNa always you know solve all the problems so I think that bittersweet inning really even though I didn't like the characters much. I think that you know the acting. The performance was captured did a really good job at kind of hammering that in-home so too much no but what you're saying a lot of sense and <hes> and yeah I mean I think one Romans <hes> great puzzle piece <hes> I am going me to move on to my next one and it is also a relatively new movie is X.. Macarena <hes> and I think that <hes> looking at X. Amac Anna as a movie about <hes> you know the the nature of a I and <hes> and and robotics and how how this can fit into modern society. I think a Litas is kind of continuing those kind of themes and a lot of ways about what hey I want to place can be in our society and living amongst humans and and what it means to really <hes> be a human or be cyborg or be whatever you know <hes> what's what's the word <hes> singularity ah yeah and trying to trying to <hes> trying to look at that what the future looks like with that and of course we're talking about it in the <hes> you know in the framework of a big huge action movie based on a anime and all that stuff afoot still it is it is playing with a lot of those themes in trying to <hes> trying to see what a future where that happens could look like and you know what it really would mean and and and the <hes> the downfalls that would mean for people because you know it's it's a huge <hes>. It's a huge change for humanity really and and whether or not people are really ready to deal with that I think is a big thing that kind of plays a big part in this movie sure and you also also have the themes about you know man and machine in an ex mocking the machine was basically seducing the one of the guys you know yet and <hes> he was questioning you know can <hes> kind of human. I love aside work. You know we're GonNa Fiber love human you know <hes> same kind of themes that were in <hes> that were in Alita also kind of the the attitude of the character you know at least a Viking landers character victor. I forgot what her name was the eve I believe so I'm pretty sure but at least Eliza Viking landers character was very <hes> you have that kind of bride I kind of naive attitude literally born yesterday kind kind of <hes> attitude seen as a leader does having no memory or her pass so they both had the seem arcs in that regard it was eva just remembered yeah close enough enough but yeah absolutely and <hes> also another thing I mean just very surface level but I think the <hes> the combination of human elements with with robot elements kind of done in in a little bit of a similar way like a lot of <hes> a lot of the same <hes> artistic influence I think so right on what do you got for your next puzzle piece <hes>. I'm you're starting to dry me out here. I'm thinking <hes> that's why else has kind of recent would be ready player. One <hes> ready player one kind of has once again kind of trans humanist kind of <hes>. I know themes ideology there as well. <hes> you know Alita <hes> is is looking for this perfect body to kind of match for warrior spirit. You know so to speak and in ready player one you have this <hes> the main character. He's trying to find the best V._R.. Set up you know <hes> and at the end of the day it's really the player that matters not you know not his Avatar or or or his equipment or whatever it is <hes> so you know those teams are are kind of similar to do. The D._V.. Affects world that they created with both of them <hes>. There's a lot of world building a lot of things to see everything take in as they're also is in <hes> in lead as well <hes> so I'd say both those have that similar kind of vibe as some kind of feel and some of the same themes to sure absolutely that's actually <hes> I'm going to jump straight into my next one because it's kind of a great setup for it talking about those the futuristic vibes and stuff like that this was kind of a little bit silly but it's demolition man and I feel like Alita and the the world of Alita it kind of takes a step beyond like something like an ex mackinaw which feels very very near future and it goes to a kind of further distant future where there's a lot of just incredibly Sifi fi ideas going on and just some just like almost like I wanna say rules almost of of the world that it's building and some of them kind of make you go like like where do they. Where do they even come up with that? You know like it just kinda throwing these things together you know also a leader feels very ninety. Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah. It has a very like nineties vibe to it like all the way down to like the <hes> like the the thirteen kind of Waie kind of vibe you get <hes> and just the the dialogue to it feels. I won't say like I won't say David but it just has that violet hard to put a finger on it. Yes No. Maybe you know what I'm talking about. I absolutely do and I think a big part of that is look at the people behind it Robert Rodriguez and James Cameron to huge huge names of the nineties <hes> I mean that's where the the biggest stuff that they did. You know came out and I I think they both still have that in them. I don't think either of them have completely moved on. They pushed the limits and they adapt here and there in their their approaches to this kind of filmmaking but when it comes down to it they are products at the ninety. Also I misspoke earlier so the lead Oviedo didn't come out in the early two thousands came out in nineteen ninety-three actually so it is not part of the ninety so that also has something to do with it also if my memory serves me correct <hes> James Cameron's been working on this film for twenty years so you know he he went over to he took a trip over to Japan he came back. He talked with his friend Gamero detoro Toro about adapting the Manga he read when he went over there ninety nine <hes> and <hes> you know they kind of discussed over John's that he would take the project Avatar came up later and he decided aside to entrust <hes> Rodriguez robbery right you <hes> to helm the project so the product had been like the script all that had been floating around for close to two decades so a lot of the influence from that time the enemy also contributed to that yeah I remember <hes> yet ninety nine. I remember when I first moved Vegas Ninety eight and I I had this one weekend and I ended up watching Terminator Two two times back to back and just like I was just having a real terminator weekend. I was like so into it. I was like what the Hell is cameron up to right now so I looked it up and I found that yeah that this is something he had been. In <hes> developing at the time and I was looking forward to it and then it just never came and then you know eventually Avatar came and <hes> you know and here we are now but that a sequel is going to happen. I hope so man I really really really do. I mean you know I think obviously I would almost take a couple points away from the movie for how hard it pushed for a sequel. You know what I mean. It's like so much of it is setting up the next movie and that does annoy me when when these kind of movies you know obviously marvel's the biggest defender of that you know it doesn't annoy me when that happens when when so much of the movie is to is based around setting up the franchise <hes> but I really hope it does happen and I hope you get more of this story I mean they put so much into it and they clearly care about it. You know and I want to see them get to do more with it. So <hes> that bring you any let them <hes> that's that's that's cool man as I was just going to mention one last one <hes> and that is the Matrix <hes> they're a lot of the action moments kind of reminded me of <hes> what the Wachowski were doing back with the Matrix <hes> and and as well as you know some of the some of the themes about you know humanity and like you know like you know what being a human is you know all that kind of thing <hes> but yeah mainly though looking at the action moments I think there's a there's a lot of influence fluence there and the way that the Matrix kind of changed the game for action you know I I mentioned earlier with my first puzzle piece that James Cameron. Is You know when he makes a movie. He's not just making a movie is trying to push things forward and I think he <hes> I think he'd have to be looking back at just how big of an impact a matrix had and wanting to do a similar thing in the world of action you know the that scene once again with <hes> the fight with Grisha the the slow no motion like dodge rolls and flips and all that I mean they were you know that that's kind of the benefit of being able to take these <hes> performance capture but then when you need to go complete C._G.. And you basically have complete control over where the camera is because I'm sure you basically you know place it anywhere in the C._G.. Environment and they did a really good job kind of transitioning in and out of that and <hes> it was pretty spectacular so yeah definitely like I can see the Matrix vibes there and I think it takes a really skilled director. <hes> I mean I don't know I I like a lot of rubber. Reggie gases stuff but certainly not all of it so I don't think that he's someone who would normally be like praising this heavily but <hes> but I do think to have of that ability and to show some restraint <hes> is really impressive because he seemed like somebody who might be like okay. James Cameron just gave me this huge playground to play in you know and just put any camera angles I want and then all of a sudden we're just just like throwing up in the theater because everything is moving so fast and it's just so all over the place but he actually doesn't do that. He he's very restrained and he makes sure to really be <hes> pulling off. You know good action sequences not just crazy action action sequence yeah and and I think it was interesting that <hes> there's an article I read. I believe it was from entertainment weekly. I think it was <hes> don't quote me on that but there are kind of talking about the history of both filmmakers and come how they contributed Josh how it contributed to the actual <hes> Improv the film on one end you have cameron who is a <hes>. He is a designer. He's like a designer and sure he he thinks vary from a standpoint of <hes> how're things going to work. What pieces go where what's the implications of this <hes> the the you know the <hes> all the scientific aspects and <hes> and all that how it all comes together right and then on the other end <hes> Rodriguez is in illustrator he's actually cartoonist and he is more about being expressive and and <hes> and very dynamic you know and I think that that really comes into play like when I was watching a leader I really appreciated small things like when she's playing motor ball and they throw that heavy ball well and she grabs it and she kind of jerked back and when she's moving he's kind of slower in lumbering because you can really feel the weight there you know in that scene you know that that kind of has very practical <hes> mentality to it when she jumps into the water and you she kind of slows down hits the ground the dust plumes up and she's you know she's walking through fields very practical and then it seems like you know her versus grew Iska you know she can jump around unlike flow you know she can jump super high land from any distance <hes> jump off a walls and and spin in the air and she's you know she's very <hes> very free very much like an the anime character in that moment so kind of that like cartoonist kind of vibes there I I'd like to imagine my head candidates that <hes> James Cameron Kinda grounded the movie but then those like really extravagant over the top moments? That's where <hes> Rodriguez came in and really did his work shore yeah no that absolutely absolutely <hes> well. I'M GONNA go ahead and do the finish puzzle for lead a battle Angel and then we will get to any of our closing thoughts on the movie <hes> so the finished puzzle includes Avatar the battle Angel Alita lovie a ghost in the shell wonder woman X. Macarena ready player one demolition man and the Matrix <hes> so I <hes> I got a you know a couple of closing thoughts and we'll see what you got to <hes> The the first thing I just wanted to mention is we didn't ever I don't believe bring up Christoph Waltz or Mahershala Ali or Jennifer Connelly for that matter. I mean <hes> three great performances performances people having a blast doing this yeah <hes> yeah I mean I really they all really brought something to the really brought to the rule. I think that <hes> you know I really have the handed you know we've talked a lot about you know Rosa by hand to the entire cast and Christoph Waltz. If you look at a lot of his other roles you don't really necessarily see him as like a paternal figure. I'm sure and to be honest. I haven't seen a lot of other work so when I came into this I didn't really have that <hes> in the back of my mind and how that baggage really with his with his <hes> performance it really came off sincere to me in it really did a great job and I think that <hes> characters like Jennifer Connelly and Mahershala Ali you know land <hes> cheer in Vector <hes> you know they didn't have a lot to do <hes> but what they did have they really brought brought <hes> they're all and they really brought like a really nice deadline dynamic and like character to it. I remember when you first I see I believe vector I if you're looking at the from the perspective of Hugo and he's in the he's in the back of his limousine and he kinda like does this thing he spreads his legs apart he kind of has his hands together and he damn business like you know head tilted kind of like their thing you know his glasses on looking all cool and just a little moments like that really Kinda give you an idea of who these characters were and <hes> they all really brought brought. Oh absolutely I love Mersal in this. He's he's it's a character man. It's such a character and <hes> you know one of my favorite parts of the movie. I just wanted to kind of bring it up. Real quick is towards the end when when we're in his the office room and he reveals that he's Guy Jennifer Connelly's brain and eyeballs and all that and the tank that was so funny dude like I died. I was like this is like this is like being in like being in like a silly Halloween haunted house but the science fibers like this rule. I'm in great win so great about about you. Dave is that you can watch something and and I believe it by that wasn't supposed to be funny but right right humerus any that's like that's like a plus. Absolutely every movie needs a little bit of humor right so I'm not that it talk about that. It worked. I mean you know they've shown that this film can play fast and loose with you know I guess your <hes> your suspension of disbelief you know sure and I I think when I watched that scene. I thought that the implication was that she was actually still alive. Mike you know <hes> bet like she was the her her pieces. Were all put together instead of a box being like you know supported <hes> by some sort of like machine basically <hes> and that you know but then you know if her body parts are being sent up you know for someone else's use and obviously he's not so there or she won't be so at at the point. I think the whole point was that doesn't really matter like the right. Just crazy fillon shit basically yeah I was. I was definitely I didn't know what to think of the time I was like Oh that's something. It's funny so great so you got any other closing thoughts before we wrap this up. <hes> no not really <hes>. It's such a great film. I actually have two watches film two weeks ahead of time <hes> at an amax early screening with fans meaning and <hes> and then I watched it again later also again in I max and I just <hes> I encourage anyone who is listening to this podcast. You haven't yet seen it to absolutely if there's still a dollar show or something like watch it on the biggest screams the best ounces McCann yeah. It's it's it's spectacular. It's <hes> it's really spectacular I in some of the scenes like the one that chase scene when they when <hes> Alita broke out of the Motorola tournaments ago find Hugo and she was on rail and the wind was blowing and I mean just full milian she's dodging and like just it is just feelings fantastic so absolutely us give this. This is <hes>. This is the cinematic event of the year. Maybe next to Godzilla so definitely taken out. I love this movie. I'm glad we finally got to do this episode. I Mike You got a movie. You watched recently other than a leader that you would like to recommend to the listeners <hes> recently <hes> yeah <hes> me think you're Godzilla definitely check that out <hes> dark phoenix. Don't listen to anyone who's nays phone. We just recorded an episode and actually by the time this episode goes up at all of already been up but <hes> yeah we we recorded an episode. I like Dark Phoenix. I don't care what says it was fun yeah. It's it's not a perfect movie right. You'll there's plenty of positive and negative things here out there but it's super unique. I mean you have a first time director. How you have Hans Zimmer you have a moral theory as the cinematographer <hes> and then you have of course this all star cast in this franchise that is kind of out of place in time and space and culture so it's just really strange in different? I'd say go watch it. <hes> if not to go conclusion to this <hes> to the story arc of <hes> you know a of x men stories I just to to see what the the talk is about sure. Absolutely I think it's absolutely worth watching so mike. Would you like to plug your podcast and all that absolutely so you're going to be able to find us on on the twitter verse acts the gnome exile. We have a network account that we kind of we have other podcasts as well. We have the Ronin Council for anime. <hes> we also have gray area where we have <hes> grade from not the popular where opinion he gives <hes> some short little I guess you could say <hes> audible <hes> vocal essays <hes> on different subjects <hes> to do with film and other entertainment like that which is great and a few other projects that we're working UNDIS- well <hes> you can catch all of that from either the podcasts websites or you can go to a at the exiles net which is the network <hes> twitter <hes> handle and you can get all that <hes> updates there were on and we have a website. Actually it's going to be the exiles network DOT wordpress dot COM <hes> we actually have a few scoops of you. <hes> haven't heard it kind of made the rage on the Internet. We were the ones to break the news about reporter being a dark side. 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You kind of know the kind of movie it is and what to expect from it so <hes> <hes> you know go in with a mindset of getting a crazy over the top anime based video game Super Robot Action Crazy movie from Robert Rodriguez and James Cameron. You should know what you're getting adding so. Let's close this thing out. I do want to remind you as always please make sure you are subscribed to piecing it together. On Your podcast App of choice <hes> you could also rate and review us on Apple podcasts which would be really awesome if you did that and even even better would be if you shared the podcast you could share us on any of your social media's and we would really appreciate that <hes> we have been getting so many new listeners lately and it's just really awesome that people are out there listening and and <hes> we want to just keep making a great show for you guys so definitely get in touch. If you <hes> enjoy the show. 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GSMC Movie Podcast Episode 130: Alita: Battle Angel and Ghost in the Shell

GSMC Movie Podcast

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GSMC Movie Podcast Episode 130: Alita: Battle Angel and Ghost in the Shell

"Can't decide in torn between a romantic comedy action or an indie film to watch for the weekend. Well, we'll well. Golden State media concepts movie podcast is your ultimate guide to the latest movies. Join us is we dissect the latest on the blockbusters, it's the Golden State media concepts movie podcast. Hello. And welcome to the GMC movie podcast. Brought to you by the GMC podcast network. I am real host hiding, and I am very happy to be joined by the wonderful, Sarah. Hello, okay. So on this episode. We are talking about some scifi films. We are going to be talking about alita battle angel and ghost in the shell. So alita is outright. Now. Indeed IRS, and I picked goes on the shell particularly talk about it. The came out twenty seventeen they have a lot of similarities if you have seen the advertisements for alita feel and how can you miss them? Holy book. It's ruining the heck out of the show. Oh, yeah. They're promoting it and not only they're promoting it. But I feel like the other thing that I just can't not see our her is your huge. And if you're wondering why my guess is because it is based off of a manga. Which is a Japanese comic book. And so I feel like the eyes of her look like, you know, anime style. Yes. And that is really another. That is like one of the reasons I wanted to choose talk about ghost in the shell and alita, and it's because they're both based off of Japanese works both based off of manga and also just the controversy that has surrounded both films. I definitely feel like I heard about it more and goes on the shell. And just I don't know some of the styles and some of the themes of both films. Also, I do want to mention something that I will talk about later, but alita is also produced by James Cameron. And this movie has kind of been long in the making. It's a project that James Cameron has been talking about for a very long time. And so I just feel like it's something that people have been waiting for. But they're promoting it a bunch. But it's also. Probably not the avatar like blockbuster that James Cameron was hoping probably not a little little different. But I also will talk about you can really feel the echoes of avatar, and obviously James Cameron's hand in alita as well. Okay. So I'm going to start with talking about alita as I said, this isn't theaters now came out twenty nineteen. This is an action film based on the nineteen nineties Japanese manga series called Ghanam also known as battle angel alita which was made written and illustrated by Yuki Tokyo key Shiro, it is about a deactivated female cyborg who is revived. But cannot remember anything of her past life and goes on a quest to find out who she is. If that sounds like a movie who've seen before. Yeah. You're just gonna keep thinking that the whole time. You're watching this Bill because I was like I feel like I've seen this movie before feel like, I know the classic identity searching mine wiped sort of cyborg character. Didn't we took last week about an identity searching them? She wasn't a cyborg up up. She was like an alien superhero. Yes. And it was interesting. The theater that I went to go see this movie at it was only playing like alita, and then captain marvel and potentially Greta, which is another female lead movie and all female protagonists, which was really cool, but I would say definitely alita, and captain marvel of very much very similar Sifi powerful like almost supernatural powers of a female protagonist and about him nesia. So the diversity for me. The theater was not a lot. But you know, I I went to go see. Alita? And it was it was okay. It's pretty good. It's directed by Robert Rodriguez. And again also created by James Cameron who wrote it along with later Callo grievous, and it was produced by James Cameron as well and John land. Do it stars Rosa Salazar as a leader Christopher Walz as Dr Dyson, Idaho. Who is a scientist and kind of becomes like leaders father figure also keyon Johnson as Hugo which is a lead as love interest. Mma Herschel, Ali as vector who is an entrepreneur who kind of sort of a villain in the film, or at least a sketchy character. Also, Jennifer Connelly as Dr Shirin and Edward Norton. Also, appears in the film, I like I saw him. And gosh, I know that guy what is name what is his name. And then Francisco, of course, Edward Norton, and he doesn't he's not a huge character. But he plays. You know, you see him occasionally from around the end. But I also want to mention that in this film is George leaden Borg junior as Tonge he was in the newest transformers film, which I talked about earlier on the podcast and also Lanta Condor as me who is a friend of Hugo's, and she is in of course, to all the boys love I've ever loved or twelve the boys I've loved before before. Thank you. Thank you, which we've also talked about on the podcast. So I just wanted to mention them seen their back. You read the book, I have not been rising. I know it's all my list. Okay. Good so long that we're gonna get to it. Oh, gosh. And it's in the series too. So lots. It's okay. It's okay. She does a good job in this film. Okay. So alita battle angel. Really? There's so much going on in this film. Like, honestly, probably more like plot wise than probably too much to make this film. Any good to be honest. It's kind of like it's like that scifi movie bloat, you know, there's so much world building and whatnot. And there's so many elements of like, okay, it's a distort. Like, what does this mean? Who's the overlord now like what is the war that probably caused this? What is the fallout that probably caused this? There's just so much going on. And there's like oh people now can do this with their hands. That's weird. I didn't know that telepathy. What cheese it's just so much. And I think they're trying to put a lot into this movie that I just don't think it was destined to be super clear or concise especially because they're using it off of a source matere. Aerial like among that is more serialized. It's definitely got a lot of content, and it's just like trying to put a bunch of books into one movie. I hate it when they do the, right? It's just you know, it's not going to be good. And the other thing is I think there were sending it up to have a sequel, and I don't know if we're going to end up doing that. I'm not sure box office got a little bit of a bigger boost. Now that it's being shown in China that of course will help. But I don't know I feel like they set you up kind of for a sequel, and I'm surprised they did because there's so much information this film, maybe the next one will be better because they're not trying to educate me so quickly on the world that alita battle angel is in and I also want to mention this takes place in the future. In future. You know? So let me just say in this film when they were like, I don't know you're twenty five thirty four whatever super future year. It is still be a where they're cyborgs and whatnot. Everyone looks at their from early two thousands. I don't understand like you're telling me cargo pants are still in style. Very convenient. No fuck. It's I told my boyfriend that everyone the future just as cargo pants like it's because they're the most -tarian. No, it's it's it's post apocalyptic, you gotta carry stuff. You know, you never know. What's going to happen? People have robot arms. They could just build another arm stuff. But what if your armfuls off then you have pocket to put it in? That's true. The cargo shorts had a lot of they have a lot of pockets. I mean, maybe apparently they're going to make a comeback. But that was also interesting that in this version of the future, everyone just kind of wears normal clothes except in a lot of other dystopia futures. Everyone's wearing robot suits, and like super latex. Yeah. Exactly. There was no pleasure in this film. But interesting also I want to comment the main love interest Hugo he looks like the cool rebel teenager from like late nineteen nineties early two thousands like almost like Johnny Depp and crybaby or like, Sean and boy meets world. He's got the leather jacket. You know, like the the handkerchief thing in his hair plan of the right word, and he has like he rides a motorcycle. It's like the hair that's kind of slicked back. But it has those pieces that kind of fall in the front. Geez. You know? Like, I don't know tickles forehead. I'm not sure it just. I just couldn't stop. She seen Sean. Looking at have seen him before. But more. It's like I've seen the amalgamation of every rebel team that he's trying to be and I just couldn't unseen it. And again, you're telling me, that's that's the style of boy that everything comes back all comes back around the thing. Yeah. Apparently came back around in this right, somehow for whatever reason, but we're gonna take a quick break. And then we'll come right back and keep talking about alita battle angel. Want to know the latest and hot is using hidden. The airwaves be left out. Listen to the Golden State media concepts music podcast. Keep keeps you on with everything you need to know. Rock hiphop top forty and we'll throw in the use of your favorite artists, concert and tour dates and so much more. Listen further because this is the gold standard in music podcasts. Welcome back to the movie podcast. We are continuing to talk about these scifi film alita battle angel. So earlier I mentioned the cargo pants of the future. Look like the cargo pants of the two thousands early two thousands. I never changed. That's fine. Whatever also like the bad flannel that just came back. But then it's like, the everyone seems to have like a mechanical, arm and bad flannel and cargo shorts, and then you also get people in giant robotic suits. Which is really interesting. I kind of want to mention it's like in this future version, you can kind of survive if every part of your body gets a straight except for your head and part of your spinal cord, oh, I don't I mean, I guess the future. You know, brought us a lot of things like amazing amazing surgery techniques and whatnot. I mean, obviously cyborg was just gonna say we've would become the Borg from Star Trek. Well, I don't know to be honest. I really don't know. It's okay. But that's the thing with alita the character is she is found, and then you find like, you know, she's a cyborg, but it's only part of her body and her head, which is like has a human brain. I guess and then they're able to put that into a cyborg body, and she can survive and fight and she's like super mazing. But then like other characters also like cyborg bodies that aren't wearing cargo shorts. They have like cyborg bodies. And they're like have like, oh, you have a knife. Fern arm saws on your knees, or whatever. And then they can just walk around and everything's fine and strange and they like kill all the robots. It's very odd. Also with the story there's so much like. Sifi? I dunno cliches in general, and it's kind of like they're just trying to make a different version of blade runner like which many distortions scifi films are trying to emulate at least like the American ones that I've seen but along with the cliches besides the fact that reminds me of blade runner. There's like this feel like every futuristic distort the others like a game that's really deadly. It's kind of like futuristic gladiator fights where like people in there. Like in this version people in robot suits play like deadly roller derby and slice each other's heads off for like cheering crowds. Lovely. Yeah. And again, it's just like oh his head came off. But we're going to put them in a new robot body, and he's fine with it. Like I and everyone's like, yeah. Take him down. I I don't know. It's very odd. And only thing protecting them as like the plexiglas at a hockey game. And I'm like just cut that guy at half. You're not afraid of him. I don't understand. But yeah, I just feel like the cliche is like super dangerous game. Game, and like people just killing everyone left, and right sort of really for no reason. And I don't know. I can definitely tell it's based off of like a manga, but. I don't feel like it may be translated super. Well. It's clunky. And so much of like the lingo is used to describe this new stope, Ian future. They talk about the fall. And I'm you know. Okay. Sure. Yes. I fight the fall that habit, and they have to lay out so much history. And what not that like, I kind of feel like the writers. They choose between like the clumsy like information dumps and like sort of trying to explain the setting like so that way they can also have the action. So it's like, okay. Do we have this action scene or do? We have an explanation of what's going on. And sometimes they make a choice that doesn't quite feel. Right. But you know, it's odd to talk about the effects, of course, James Cameron is involved. So we have to talk about the effects the CGI is very good James Cameron used much of the CGI that he had learned when making avatar to make this film. He actually was talking about making this film before he even made avatar, but he made avatar. Stead before this one and a lot of people say that he did that because he felt avatar was more of a pressing subject because it relates to the environment and things like that. So he wanted to make it bef- like earlier when I think about the fact that he delayed it so long. I wonder if that's why he chose like I dunno early two thousand fashion style. Because when you start thinking about it. I know that's also I guess the mangas like from the nineties, so potentially. But he's been thinking about it for a long time initially he was going to direct it, but then eventually handed it over to its current director, which again is Robert Rodriguez. So he's very involved. You can really see that the techniques are like if you've seen behind the scenes when they're making avatar or Lord of the rings. For example, it will be a lot of people in a green screen room and the character of alita, for example. The actress will have the little dots on her face and being like, basically like a green more food. And so the. Maters and the people who are doing CGI tracking her movements and using her acting cues to then influence how they animate and move the character. Wait, are you saying those aren't her realize I'm saying, those are not just context? She's almost I guess I would really say it's kind of like she's completely CGI. I mean, she was obviously based off a person and really the character. Alita looks a lot like the actress who plays her besides the is you can kind of see the similarities, so I do have to commend the actors for working in almost completely green screen environmentally. Did a pretty good job. But it's it's good. You know, the the world building in the scenes, look good. But it really reminds me of a video game so much. So like there are just scenes that felt like a video game cut scene. Like you'd be video game character of like Alito walking down the street. And then suddenly character would pop out from the dark, and suddenly you'd get like a black screen, and you'd cut to some random narrative scene where the characters like telling you their life story, and like being like now we're going to fight like pope Amman battle or go. And it's like oh God. No, why are we doing this? So really I just kept thinking that it was a video game. And I actually think it would be a good video game potentially. After this movie. They'd make video game. I don't know. I mean, I don't know James Cameron. If you wanna take my idea go for it. But I just it's a little awkward in movie form also elitist big is that I see all the advertisements. I thought it'd be a bigger problem for me. But I actually didn't notice them that much like a few minutes after she was on screen kind of just got used to it. Even though she looks way more computer animated than like everyone else. Right. But it's all right. I kind of got over it in a we were watching the preview one day. And my husband says is it real is it animated live action. Is it animated? What is that? Like, I think it's both weird mix. I mean, it is kind of like avatar in that sort of way, you know, and how they're sending it up. But I feel like an avatar. Okay. You're in the forest, and you're all animated, and there are as many scenes when it's like real live person with like CGI creature, and it just didn't feel as weird. But overall, I want to say the like once we reached. The end of the movie, I kind of enjoyed it. I feel like at the end I had grasped all of the world building jargon. And I kind of the story had really weeded out plotlines that didn't really need to be there. And it just kind of got propelled while the protagonist got propelled towards their alternate goal. And honestly it took two hours to set up with the ultimate goal. Bose. Yeah. It was long. So by the time, we got to the end of the movie, I was like, oh, they make a second. Then everything else that was just sort of. I don't know clunky up. The first part would be out of the way, I would understand. And then maybe I could enjoy the second. But honestly, I'm don't really think I'm going to see the sequel unless they hear really really good things about it. Wasn't that interesting of this first film? But I mean, they just weeded stuff out that didn't need to be there. And it got better. Once we reached the end, they should've weeded out in the editing process rather than using the movie doing things out in the writing process. They really should have some lines are really not good. I guess my other overall comment is special effects are good. And I like Christopher Walz. So even though his name is Dyson vacuum, which is not the name of the character in the manga. But whatever, and he's kind of the only person that I could even kind of take seriously as he plays like this bumbling. Bad scientists like running around like sort of like Indiana Jones style clutching his hat what he's like right around with like an overly size like axe weapon with flames. Like, I really can't take that seriously except that it's Christopher waltz. And I think is the only person that can really straddle a line between trying to be serious and then also goofy. I feel it can kind of play that. Well, he's almost like trying to be a dad joke, but doesn't quite get their sign up sort of a dad, but then he scientists, but also killing people, I don't know it's Christopher welts role that not many people could sort of pull off. So I enjoyed watching him. But you know, if you have some extra time, you could potentially go see it or wait for to come out and DVD's. Okay. I wanna talk about our next film, which is ghost in the shell. And this came out twenty seventeen. This is a American scifi film directed by Rupert Sanders written by Jamie moss. William Wheeler and urine. Krueger, it's based on the Japanese manga of the same name by Muslim Mooney. Shiro it is set in the near future where the line between humans and robots is blurring. And the plot follows the major sorry, the major who is a cyborg super soldier who investigates her past does that sound familiar. Robot person who investigates their past two resting telling me, a human brain in sort of into cyborg buddy, just repeating stuff. Just copy and paste my notes. No that is a different movie with Scarlett Johansson was not completely CGI is or what not just in like a I don't know unitards. But it stars Scarlett Johansson as major Mira Killian beat Takeshi Kitano as chief dice Akira mucky Michael Carmen pit as Tuesday who's kind of like the main Tagore's for much of the film. Okay. Also, this is a French name. And I'm going I'm going to struggle. But I know this guy by face, but not by name p p Lil Balu. You know what I don't? I'm not sure he Lou as as bake, not even French I might have been wrong. French doesn't have those those two little I don't know what you call the in the U and their switched together. Like that. Oh, no. I even judged the ethnicity of the name wrong. It could be just don't remember that in French. Okay. Well, Pilo as buck. Sorry, please to and he bought two I'm sorry. He plays to and this actor I recognize. On game of thrones. He's he was very good. He was actually probably my favorite. Well, I have a couple of paper characters and also Juliet been a change as Dr Novak that when I do know. Oh, thank you. Okay. So things I want to mention about this film. So in both films, there is really the effects. That's a really big part and a lot of that is because they're scifi films. They take place in the future. P is Danish. Oh, darn I'm so sorry. Lou. He's he's from Copenhagen Copenhagen. Well, I mean that wouldn't help you pronounce it. But it's not like my Danish. Any better? I got nothing on that one. Okay. So I really didn't do this film. They both have pretty good effects the city scape again of this film. It just reminds me of blade runner probably even more explicitly than alita did just there's like in blade runner in the original into the remakes. It's like this very very dark city. And there's like billboards that are moving and like giant Holland grams of like robot women who trying to to buy things it's so much like blade runner, the grittiness so much. So just robots running everywhere. Apparently the future is gritty, bro. Bot like billboards, and it's always raining. Greatness, dark robots billboards the pretty much. Yeah. Basically, and I guess again, I just feel like so many scifi movies just want to be blade runner in which I mean, I felt like I watched like, oh, yeah. Blade runner is super like, I don't know. It was really a trendsetter off guard of the time. I get it. But I think this movie is I think renders a little. Slow. This is not quite as slow, but we're gonna take a quick break. And then we'll be right back and keep talking about ghost in the shell. Tired of searching, the vast jungle of podcasts, listen close. And here this out. There's a podcast network that covers just about everything that you've been searching, the Golden State media concepts podcast network is here. Nothing less than podcast bliss with endless hours of podcast covered for news, sports, music fashion, looking entertainment fantasy football and so much more. So stop blurted around and go straight out to the Golden State media concepts podcast network, guaranteed to fill that podcast is whatever it may be. Visit us at WWW dot M C podcast dot com. Follow us on Facebook and Twitter and download on itunes soundcloud and Google play. Welcome back to the movie podcast continuing the talk about the film ghost in the show. I want to clarify the actor that I said earlier blue he played year on grey joy in game of thrones continues to play him because he's one of the characters that is not dead yet. But I just wanted to say that because I know I know because game of thrones. And I can't can't not talk about it. But Thuan dimension. He is very good in this film. And I really enjoyed his character. I didn't actually recognize him as I as his role of game of thrones are just like I've seen that face before. But anyway, he did a good job. So I want to get in you talking about this film. Another thing about the effects as I mentioned how it had that like grittiness reminiscent of blade runner. Like, it was dark and rainy and the giant holographic billboards. I really felt that because of that it reminded me of a manga because I really get like a gritty feel dark like dirty. Like, bloody feeling that is exhibited in a lot of specifically shown in and say, non manga and those types of manga or like the action type of manga that are typically geared towards the male demographic. Which is I don't know, you might know other ones. Now, I can't think of one, but like Naruto is like considered like Shonen manga. It's the type where characters are fighting all the time and a lot of it focuses on storyline. But also there's violence and fighting and things like that. So I really felt like I read manga before. And I felt like this captured the feeling of grittiness, and I get that feeling kind of in American comics as well like ends with a marvel comics like this, greedy, very rough nature to it that I don't always feel in Hollywood marvel films. But I felt that grittiness more in this particular film. It reminded me more of the goodness of the manga. So I will say I really enjoyed that. Also in this film. There is a mix of special effects with like robots also just special effects with the actors and also costuming and makeup and all of that. And it's not just CGI. And I felt that that was really convincing for me. Like, the stunts were very convincing for me, mostly because it's not all CGI alita to me felt like so much CGI, and I kind of buy into it more when it's a mix of different effects. Like, there's like, okay. This person is clearly meant to also be robots like to be a robot. But some of that is conveyed by costumes and makeup, not just CGI robotic arm. And I think I just enjoy that more. And I think I I don't know. I just buy it. Looks more real to me than like litas is right. I can just see it being real more. Also want to mention Scarlett Johansson plays the major the main character. I did enjoy. She liked the way she walks as his care to a stiffness to it that really appears robot like, and she definitely has the physicality to play a role whether so much stunts so much fighting running gunshots. I really did enjoy that. But I can't mention this film or a leader for that matter without mentioning the whitewashing and sort of the controversy. I really remember this a lot with ghost in the shell. And like, I remember it more with ghost in the shell. Then. Like what I'm hearing now with alita, but there has been a lot of controversy because they say that this is based off of an anime based off of a manga the characters should be Asian their Asian in the original material. And yet the casting are actors who are not Asian, for example, obviously, Scarlett Johansson is not Asian right or the actress who plays alita is not Asian just like generally like in both films. I guess you could say the casters relatively diverse. I felt that mooring goes Michelle the character the actors are more diverse ethnicity. But again, the protagonist is someone who's white. I will I don't feel like I can wait too heavily on the subject, particularly with goes on the shell. Because I have not read the manga. So I know that in the manga the character like does go by major, but also has a Japanese name. So that would you would. Assume that that characters Japanese, and there are other characters in the manga that are clearly not Japanese that are like of a European descent and don't look like some of the other characters that are drawn to look Asian. I will say though, in terms of a lot of controversies where characters are in animated and mongo's, and then are sometimes portrayed by white actors and actresses I don't always feel that every character an anime or manga is Asian or is meant to be Asian. I have conflicting feelings because I feel that sometimes the animated drawing style is not meant to necessarily be Asian at least that's in my opinion. And I'm sure many people would disagree with me. There are some artists that when they draw characters do look like, oh, this person looks Asian this person doesn't look Asian. But particularly with this character, the character is kind of a cyborg so I feel a little bit like maybe not necessarily Asian, but. Again, it could be missing a major plot point here apologize. If I am. But personally again, I don't feel like every character. And may among is Asian. But that has also been controversy that has come up with a leader as well. Yeah. So it's something that unfortunately, will probably not be going away. I think they'll discontinue and also the controversy did kind of hurt goes on the shell at the box office. So that is curious to see Ann's girl at your Hanson is in hot water again because she will be protraying a transgender character in an upcoming film. So that controversy comes up again. Okay. Overall, I Wilson between the two films. I enjoyed ghost in the shell more. I liked the action more it felt like less of a kids film to me. It was a little bit grittier and more believable and between both films both films really show versions the future. That are rather just open just slightly different ways. And they both deal with the concept of human or robot and kind of the connection between memories. And what makes us human the continuous search for your memories and for your past? And if that really defies you if what you can remember really makes you human or not or potentially. I don't know makes you non-human makes you a robot. It's an interesting enough. I guess discussion that will be talked about again and again in more movies. I am sure these are just some ways to tell that story too. I don't know varying degrees of personal interest. Also of that. I thought was interesting is that in alita, the there's a need to enhance your body for survival and goes the shell there's not as much of a need as really a desire, and it's more that technology becomes available and because of that people want to enhance themselves. So it is a bit of a difference between need versus want. And the idea of what the future will hold whether we will need to enhance our bodies to survive, or if we will simply want to in order to keep progressing and some of the potential dangers that can possess to everyone involved. So they are interesting if if you're into Sifi, you might be interested or honestly, you could probably just read the manga or watch the anime ghost in the shell has other animated movies that are out. I believe the first ghost in the shell movie was very influential for the creators for the directors of the matrix. So it has been a big influence and other creative people's lives. I think mongo's can be really good. And I would suggest it. So I have enjoyed both these films. I will potentially watch goes Michelle again, I will probably not watch again or the sequel, but you might enjoy it and that brings us to the end of our show. Thank you so much for listening, and please tune into the next GMC movie podcast. To the Golden State media concepts movie, bud cast part of the Golden State media concepts podcast network. You can find this show and others like it at WWW dot Jesus MC podcast dot com. Download our podcast on itunes Stitcher sound clock and Google play. Just typing GS MC to find all the shows from the Golden State media concepts podcast network from movies to music, throw sports entertainment. And even we are us. You can also follow us on Twitter and on Facebook. Thank you. And we hope you have enjoyed today's approach.

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Alita: Battle Angel

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Alita: Battle Angel

"Attention. Please be advised. The following episode contained spoilers don't say we didn't warn you. She's wet when she goes under water. It's always gonna. Let me. She's wet. I mean underwater. Nice. Nerd on. What's everyone? Welcome to nerd on the podcast, you didn't need. But there were all of nerd are. Welcome. Yes. You if you are going to them or you're not gonna sell or your body parts are made from another girl's body. Yes today. We're talking about alita battle angel in a spoiler full discussion. Probably the biggest live action manga adaptation America's ever produced in this show. We will guess that grump and then go over our initial reactions and then go into some info films, such as the brief synopsis. The history has the production, and then we actually get to our meat and potatoes of the show, our favorite parts favorite characters are qualms. And then we're going to rate, and we have some time at the end we're going to go. This is our new updated format. So please listen at the end if you do like that. Yeah. Yes. And so to get into it. My name is Tom, and I'm accompanied by Ali gave Lynn I'm Corey. And I am Josh. In this episode is. That's you in part by our patrons over at patriot on patriarch is a membership service that allows you to support your favorite character characters like us guys here. Creators, like us hero as little as a dollar as little as a dollar. You can support nerd on of a Cup of coffee, and you can get bonus episodes. You gotta discord community. You have all sorts of good stuff. So just check it out patriot dot com. Backslash nerd on TV and the housekeeping. Yes, housekeeping over and since this is an episode that we can rate it's the completed series complete series as I said -ment where we can guess that. That. My here forever and home is your first time listening show or watching it. Then just know that the end we do a rating scale at one at five one being the lowest five being the highest and whoever picks the lowest rating, no matter how high the number is you are the grump of that week. And so if you're all eat has have Batman it's lower than a four if you're killing you like the thing then you typically put five. Yeah. So even if you're a four point nine if everyone else that five year, the grump. Yes, sorry. I mean, encourage everyone at home to play along. So send us think of of the movie, why did we have had four point nine? Yes. And also send us who you thought would have been the grump. And then you'll get a spoil at the end the opposite. Since I explained I'll go first, and I will guess Corey. Okay. I will Kaelin rude. I also guess Corey. I feel like you just did that just to spite him a little bit. But I'm gonna guess Caitlyn. So she can't spite me down together to to Tom wildcard. Wow. You might want to the car back. But okay that. That. All the votes are in and now for our spoiler of our guest that grumpy initial reactions right into the spoiler. Right down. Whatever your choice was forget that grub because we're going to ruin some people have been like all fucking love this. This is great. And then they just totally shit on it later on. So who knows it is possible for not to be a spoiler. And so for reactions what you guys think. Anyone anyone? I will say that. I really enjoyed it a lot. There are some things that will get into later. But I watched it, and I was entertained, and I'm glad that I saw twice so weta digital kills it every time like these are the guys who did Lord of the rings, which is like my favorite. But they also did you know like avatar, and they unfortunately the habit. But they've done a lot of the marvel movies are also in partnership with weta, and I think they just make things that shouldn't look real real like her her face comprehensively should not look Papa real tarsha is so big Tom Tom was like their CGI. And then there's the good seats, and there's good CG tongue going, and I was like, I'm so nervous. 'cause like a big home for mine. If you go back and listen to the ready player one episode was the fact that there was so much CGI that hurt my brain. But they killed it. They were they were great looked. It looked beautiful. I agree with that. I had a I had a fun time. Watch the movie it was really enjoyable. A lot of a lot of really fun parts. But yeah, the seizure was thing. Was that press me the most? But it still didn't trust me enough because we'll get into the moment. I don't think what I don't know. I wanna go back to our Infinity ward episode and see how much we talk about CG in that. I don't I if you don't talk about the g it's really really good. Yeah. Yeah. You know, the fact that it's sort of like on our forefront of our brains like we'll get into it. Yeah. Okay. Caitlyn? I every time I've had someone asked me. Oh, you saw Lita. How was it? My response always starts off with it's really hard to translate manga enemy stories to movies, and I feel that that is true for this as well. I don't regret seeing the movie I really liked it. But but it does it does have some it's breaking some new ground with what it's doing. So I'm not opposed. I liked it. I liked the movie someone's. Someone's gonna Tripoli's. Yeah. So what about you, Tom eighty I fucking love this movie? Yeah. I I was like really like super skinny I remember like looking I'm db when it I was like announce this back on when the rock was Johnny Bravo. And so like there's so many like this has been like in James, Karen style like fin announced for waiters. Yes. The rock was going to be Johnny. Bravo. There you Syrian that was gonna be that'll get that to happen. Now. Very important question answered the question, Ted Turner's companies are figure that shit out. Let's so. Yeah. And so I've been you know, I'm big enemy fan and mega fan and all that stuff. And so this is this. Yeah. This is very important for me to watch this and see something that was like a really really as true as it can be for American audience because the things that you could be true. And it just doesn't translate. You could do this and it translate. Well, there's always you have like, it's a different medium. Yeah. It's the same thing. Translating a book to a movie or a movie to a TV show or a movie too. But like it's going to change the way. You're intaking information is different as well. Yeah, you're not reading it. So you they have to find. When you translate Eva booked, mango, whatever you want to a movie, you have to walk that line of will this work in this medium, even though it works. Well, here adaptations are tough. I mean, I I read something that was saying that it was a good at uptaken. I think it was that doesn't make it a good movie. No, I understand. That's my on the annotating. I agree on. Yes. Yes. So I really liked to and I and I would watch it again. And again, and again, that's get. And so all e u. Tells us pretty much how ratings are going to go. But some information can go do a brief synopsis really quickly. So we have a little bit more time. The end of the show to talk about it starts in year twenty five sixty three six hundred years or three years after the fall of man, and we have the fall. Yeah. We have Dr Dyson ITO going through the scrap yard that has fallen pieces of solemn which is elevated heavenly city that the last coding city. Yeah. It's like heaven that's above iron city, which most the film takes place in all takes place in and he finds the bust and head of leader and later on Bilger gives her soup she discovers she's 'em usually body rather gives her body. She has no memory of everything that's going on. So she has to figure out what life is like. And the film goes through pretty quickly the name alita gives her them leader. And when use the term life development ensues. Should meet the boy she finds out what the revolves around which is motor ball. She sees how it's lawless. There's no more cops bounties, bounty, hunters, and she becomes one hundred warrior, bounty hunter finds out Dr Dyson Ito's one. She finds out that her body or she came from Zalam, which is like the again coveted city, which has earned technology, which is the United Republic of Mars technology. And so she's like next gen technology. She has enough power to power the city for years just in her heart alone in her heart alone. She finds berserk battle suit, which is from the from the book that is pretty much her final form perfect form, which is pretty much the high the most highest trained assassin warrior fighter during the fall during the war and uses a fighting technique called Penzance, which was mentioned very quickly into being the book and later on finds out that people do do shitty things. And she breaks she you know, she has sad moments and boy. Friends people betray people. And and she and people killed people for not goddamn Emory's and pretty much the end leaving us with a battle-hardened a more mature adult alita about to get her way sent to Solomon to fight Nova who has been the presence like antagonise throughout the entire film. They're taking quite a big chance of assuming that there's going to be a sequel. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's fine with rob Rodriquez, directing the film Cincinnati to we didn't need this. We need the sequel, and hopefully, you get it. Yeah. Hopefully, it's not fifteen years later. It was city. So a little bit of the historical reverence of of the source material. The book has been I don't know it's been like widely awarded it's pretty much like I would say like ocu- in terms of groundbreaking. And it's it's the. Animation styles. Very nice and sweet, but pretty much it's a legend and people have been wanting to get this out of tation made for a long long time. I remember when I was like really young I'd see like pages of this on geo cities or GSA works out perfectly. Here's a quote on the back buys from James Cameron. That says a great kick ass story. Yeah. Yeah. Jane, and it plays produce it. Very shown in like where there's a lot of action know freak of the week and things happen there. But yeah, it kind toes the line between what goes and shell did. Where'd talks about humanity? And you know, was it mean to be human in cyber cyberpunk world. And then now to the production of the film. Yeah. So it's distributed by Twentieth Century Fox directed by Robert Rodriguez, who's best known from El mariachi from desktop, Don. The faculty spy kids, sin city and Metallica. James Cameron who one to aliens avatar, Titanic was Corey said it, of course, he did this movie or he has to make this a leader because oh that wasn't me. Lando one of the other producers was like, well, of course, we have to call it alita battling because Cameron only does ANT movies because the real of all of his movies that'll angel alita. Yeah. The real adaptation to American the name in Japanese complete different other producer, Jon Landau who did Honey from the kids, dick, Tracy, and then the rest of the James Cameron films. Deval Desi was the executive producer did pale writer unforgiven Lanta fired. Green mile book of Eli. I am number four beautiful creatures transcendence and the point break remake. Show. You know, he's doing some things. He's got things. He's done. They will MAC the associate producer hasn't done a lot of other credit things. But is social film writers James Cameron to the screenplay later Callo grits who did birds of prey TV show Nightwatch, which I love that movie to rush shutter island Terminator altered carbon and is announced to do a sword. Art, online TV at a table. Let live action live action rubber a drink has also worked on the screenplay and in the book by Yuki Tokyu, go. I'm looking at Caitlyn as hopefully she still keeps you out there who did the book the cast Rosa Salazar who plays the titular character. Who is Maria American horror story bend been in a lot of college humor, and you see of shorts as the voice of comprehend Arkham origins and most notably seen in the maze runner. Franchise. Christoph waltz been acting in the seventy since the seventies. Hugh makes sure he says Eddie. Just came about as glories. Pastor thought you were going to talk about Hugo neck, so is really like he's been acting for how long. Years old. It looks that way he fell in love with Christopher Alton inglorious bastards as as you do Django and chain legend Tarzan and in the zero theorem pretty much like him in anything that he does. Yes. Jennifer Connelly who was in labyrinth Beautiful Mind requiem for dream. And as the voice of Karen, the voice of care spy Spiderman, spicy, beautiful minds and halt. She is the wife, Jennifer Connelly. Oh, we've done. I'm sorry. Oh, yeah. Marketable saw my Marsha Ali. Who's in the hunger games house of cards where I fell in love with him there moonlight where he got the category, and Luca Kaga and carefully and hopefully in the future blade. Oh, my petition for that already faced because recently, I really fall in love with him anything that he has since moonlight seem before moonlight. But says I've watched everything if his name's in it, I'll go watch it. And I leaned a Tom watching the movie, and I was like he played yet. And then at screen who is now the biff of every Hollywood movie who is Francis in deadpool. He was in game of thrones. He was the first original main writer, but then he left to do digital and those are the roles. Yeah. The running time is two hours and two minutes budget was two hundred million dollars hundred seventy it was in production. Thirty million million was in marketing, you forgot Norton. If he delivers the line, maybe. And weekend is at one hundred thirty seven million. So we'll probably see gates money back. But I don't think it's the opening weekend that they wanted. Yeah. Ruined tomatoes score. When I I checked on Friday was fifty three. Now, it's a sixty percent counting. This is the week after opening weekend. So sixty percent runs meals score. And that is all of the information that we go over the info. Potatoes of Russia. That's a lot of facts and figures. Yes. Yeah. So I want to give the fun part. Yeah. Favorite part? All is. I actually want to give a shout out to what a digital because there was some other movies. I wrote down that stood out to me mostly district nine. Steel dead pool. One and two and King Kong and they've been around nineteen Ninety-three. Well, shout out to them. Yeah. Well, yeah. Essentially. I have a few favorite parts to talk about like, really simple things. Like that part where she goes underwater to go into the ship jumped out, they're all waiting on land. Like how long can she hold her breath the little subtlety? I noticed that. I love when she comes back. No when she comes back up. She doesn't like oh. She just goes. Yeah. So she could have held her breath for for an hours easily. Just that little subtle thing. Making sure because of course, they had to record that. And they had probably eighty are that science it was just like a very intentional little detail that I loved that just gave you an idea of who she is where we can say they actually do that. In most recent superman con they mentioned like does he breathing space or does he holds breath? Oh. Oh, wow. God. I didn't know. So he goes live cross the universe holdings breath. That makes okay, y'all Kreis. Motoko seems like I would watch finals want the beginning part. I was like, of course, there's athletic kids who are mainly non white people who are like on rollerblades and doing this cool sport. I was like go on talk about in my apartment. Yeah. That scene wasn't my favorite. But the actual actual horrible was like so fun to watch. And so well, especially I mean, obviously, especially the one that she's in where it's not really motorable. But like seeing her just be bad ass and handle everyone while moving at high speeds killer, just absolutely stellar Tuesday. I just I really liked her as a character. I thought Rosa did. So well like she carries such a bulk of this, obviously because she's lead. But like she really elevates my entire experience. Just by her being cast, you it's fine. I feel Christoph waltz does that for me in all the films in this film like he took a step back. So she can just fucking amazing. When I think that was very intentional like, I'm sure. Working with Christoph waltz. She probably asked her few questions asked him if you questions, but like he was a really great supporting character because she just like. Through and through. I think understood this character, and like delivered ten on top of what anyone this version of the care. Yes. Correct. I have a lot more. But I don't want to take up the entire time as well. When everyone else to Tom do you want to continue that point you had a minute ago about? Rollerball? Yeah. Motorable where I don't know. I just felt like robbery gas does that a lot where he plays her kids. And he does a lot of like action sequences like, but it's not like the actual moldable gained alita was in. But it's like fun, and if elt very much like like, I don't know if felt like very like nineties. Street kind of thing. Don't trying to bring back rollerblade. We're still good. Felt like kids playing in the street. The fire has gone offer some shit, and double Dutch gone. It's like it felt very cool. But also, that's where the social like, socialism, social learnings happen. Like, you learn how to like play defensively play aggressively during basketball by like playing on the street or playing street hockey and say playing on the ice like the no rules kind of thing. That was on. I really enjoyed that. It was like it was just so grounded and give you really good sense of everyday life, which was important do for when you try to sell us CG character to an ATI also worked really well for her like introduced the the subject of motorable roller whether fucks called moldable and also it plays on a sick second part. We're like Hugo puts his hand out to like pick up like he did the first time and she says, no. And is a really cool to a good development. He picks her up once she needs the seems picks up again, she doesn't eat. It does multiple things. It's really really good. But that's not my favorite part, but go on your favorite they're few. And of course, I'm gonna blank the moment. You put me on a spotlight. There. I really liked the moment where she's waking up with her body. And she just like touches her lips for a minute. And then your fingers will. Yes, she yawns. And then she touches her lips. And then her fingers like stay there. And to me that red is like 'cause I don't keep you know, if I'm going on it's going to be there for like a second that I move it. But as almost like her body was like realizing it was there for a minute. And I thought that was really is teeny tiny. But I really liked that happened. Power is open. You see the people dilating? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Saying how long she's been in that pile, right? She could have been buried and just happen to come to the two years. Yeah. She's been a little pile there, you she could have been up there for three hundred years at this point. We don't know yet. But and then they could have done tests on her and dumped her when they didn't have anything good. But like there's a possibility that she has been there for three hundred years. Yeah. So yeah. To awaken after that, it's kind of traumatic and that her heart was beating in her hand as she was holding a little detail. Yeah. The little details. Great. I mean that the ending on that scene because that seems like a lot for me at first. Whereas like, whoa. But then her saying that like, yeah. Sorry. It was like, okay. Seymour. She's I waking up like I liked it when she touched her like chess part or clavicle like you could see the, compression fingernails home. I know I know that these. Do the CGI CGI me like a French girls? God. I like see jazz interesting because I think it worked really like really really well ninety seven percent of the time. There's a few moments where I was like, wait. What that's that was lowered. I can't think of anything specific. But there were there were a few moments where I was like, oh, so the fair farms are. Yeah. But but just just because you're talking about the facial details and stuff like that. But one of my favorite parts were were. Both motor ball sequences like the skirmish the the actual we'll know like the one on the actual actual track where she goes to watch it and then purchased the second time participate like it was you could tell it would just them having fun like Robert broad just Wayne how fun with with the movie, and it was really cool and fun to watch like the action of them racing in fighting with different weapons and those really cool. It kind of an in the best possible way right of me of like of Phantom Menace. Padres sequences still to this day. I've watched recently liked the Padres things. It can do a whole movie on Padres. Yeah. I would like oh because they all have their outlawed racers. And all that stuff. So see that. And we had just finished playing anthem that that afternoon. I was like, oh, that's a cool color combination. With that neck. So it was like perfect. We got out of the movie, and he was like I wanna make that Greenland splint millions of pieces with the grind code had awesome colors. Okay. Awesome pieces the scene that sold me on this movie was the bar scene where she goes to the hunter warrior. Oh, yeah. Hundred bar. Hundred bar and first of all humiliates Francis. But then like beat the shit out of everyone else. That was the scene where I was like this is this is what I signed up for this. This alita is the one that I've been wanting to see this whole film, and they did not disappoint that whole scene was fucking phenomenal Israel yet. Her fight scene was kicking his sword to over over Francis. And the dog guy just laughing the entire time while it was happening. The thing. The dog. I was probably one of my favorites. So my God, he's a white guy with a beard is gonna be my favorite actually pilot from lost. Yeah. He is. I was like oh. A bunch of stuff. I mean that that bar scene. I mean what I loved about. It was you know, it's she so sure. And even if the whole world is still kind of catching up so to speak to like, she's not somebody do that you're gonna mess with. But it was just cool to see like she was still delivering her speech. She was still trying to rally the troops and all this kind of stuff. And then she woops some. Yes, telling you need you stand back back. I know simple light. It's a PG thirteen movie. I believe. Right here. This is my one part. I just thought was so bad ass is when she pulls herself up by her fucking arm and Jan jumps up with her arm and jams her hand into his fate old. She says mercy and just she doesn't I then she's hanging there. Mercy off. I just grew it they got their one got there one in their one f bomb, and I was like it was the best which was so good. I'm saying there is a fucking league of like the best f bombs you can drop in a PG thirteen movie laying. I know save is one of them. Yeah. Well, yeah. It's with many more when she finds she's pregnant she just goes in front of churches. I really like in in in first class where wolverine says fuck off like one time like really well placed bombs may have to place them well to use them. They're like you can't just squander it. Yeah. Which it's like it feels so good versus like already like say if relies it and then. And then the heavens ego and Hugo come down and the dog guy sixes dogs on. Yeah. Love dogs. No, he says, I hate that. He's not a duck. He says he's not a dog person. I hate that rightfully so that made me love him so much anytime Alitas, basically discovering her powers. I mean that I when she's going out to save like she thinks Dyson she thinks that she's stopping him from doing bad stuff, and then she fucking whips, and she's like, and even before that when she the when we're meeting Hugo, and she just she just this like rolling and thing and like bring her like, she's kind of discovering, but it's just like the muscles that good nature. Yeah. It's when his friend tries to elbowing the face, and she flips them. Yeah. So it's just seeing that. And i'm. I really hope that there is a sequel because I would love to see wishes essentially brick in anchorman. Where'd you hand? I don't know. All that shit. I don't know. I would say the pitch for this is four ninety Dante meets in shell serious. Go to someone be like look do. You wanna see brick Tamblyn from anchorman be bad ass for two hours. Go see, no. That's not what I meant some people stuff like that. For me. My favorite parts are it's I call. This one collective is every time she looks mayor. She doesn't when she first wakes up. She does it the second time when. She. When she's fighting for the first time in GI. Well, she she inch in front of the first figures out like who she is. And then the last time where she's about to go like actually be the grand winner. She slices her tier in half. I mean, they all have different points of her life where it's like birth in life, and then rebirth. And so like. This this film attempts to do a lot of things is attempting to make an entire book into a movie and jam packing entire world. Without like having to do a fucking long narration piece at the beginning of the movie with like a montage. Yeah. So like, I gave it a lot of credit for like for what it tried to do like try to and conducive way where it's like telling you as you're going along. Yeah. Yeah. But that was like really like this is good. This feels good. This is this is more than just like a like it's trying to move it more than just a dumb Hollywood blockbuster. It's a Hollywood blockbuster. I'm not gonna you know, it's a popcorn flick. But then it tries to do a little bit more than that. It doesn't go into the existential like humanity yadda because it's very past that. Yeah, it isn't. And then I think fucking her Rollerball fight is is is is top notch. Is again can't take your as the screen is Michael bay taken out. Yeah. Explosion, michael. I love you. I appreciate you batboys fucking I'm excited. But man, I can actually see what's happening. I guess what happens when the one explosion happens. It's it's a big deal. And it's like you care about. In concert a fall. And then the guy the guy that the chain arm fucking Azer within like you see every two explosions in the whole movie. Probably. Yeah. Don't count the little grenade things. Yeah. Right. And this thing you see all the action, which I love, and I like the fact she's. That was something I was really concerned about going in because I knew it had these sequences and like that seen the big battle and ready player. One. Like, I couldn't follow anything. And I I had to see it twice because I was like, I'm not sure what happened. And and I followed everything in this, actually. Yeah. Because on that point we we went inside again on I max, and I was really nervous too. I don't go see things on I max or three D because sometimes things get like weird to Myers. I do. I was like, whoa. I could actually tell it was going on even in this grands like I'm ex three because he s sometimes you watch things and you're like, I don't know what happened. But I think he still does it for me. Like even watching it the second time in the three day. I'm just still like I wish I was wearing glasses while you were struggling. While you were struggling a little bit. I was like because I wear glasses. So to wear those over it. I have to literally hold them in place for the whole movie some little bias that. It's not a great experience for me. But it was beautiful. I will say this is one of those things that you should probably watching three. It was like over three D. Yeah. It was just like mostly depth afield. We saw me. I was doing this a lot because I like see like that's not three D. And then that's three that's not three s because like the middle frame is always not three right and the one in front and the one behind the depth of field. Also normally get sick with three D movies. And this is the first time I have not gotten sick. You only have one I liked in three that I've seen was the original ventures in theaters in three d and I was like they did the same thing. It was just mostly depth of field stuff. And I was like solid last favorite. There's there's a lot. But the main the main one that I can't take away that it makes me smile every time. I see it is having orange. No, no minds have an orange and then she by see orange. She has like phases. Taste. Researchers are working good. Because it's it's such a like a nice real moment. Because if like you you give someone something that they never learned how to eat orange creek. The peel off she likes. She acts, very, humid. She. Smelled something that they hate under like, but then she leaves her mouth open. He's like, okay, hold on. Just like he like a really good like establishing like father's father daughter mentality. It was like when he pops it in his mouth, and he's kind of like, you're really cool connection to see I. Yeah. I loved the examining everything everything's working. This is like really gently checking things with her. He says the lines. Well, let's look on the bright side, your tear ducts are working and he bites the orangey motion. Like, it's really I had to other parts. I really like the first one is victor's death scene. And how. Yeah, so Nova speaking through him at the time, and she stabs him and says to Nova you've lost another puppet. And she pulls out. He just looks down and smiling goes without looks fatal. S? He's falling to the ground and dying and shaking and like, yeah. So 'cause vectors not there. Right. It's ova. And he's just like it freaked me out at like legit was like this makes me feel uncomfortable that he's smiling and joking. I loved it. But like in the best way it made me like it should make. Yeah. So the vector didn't even know that he died. Yeah. Yeah. The only other part I wanted to talk about or just mentioned at least is when alita calls ITO father. Don't don't feel sorry for yourself. You're the only one built for this. And then she and I was like and he doesn't react either. He's just kind of like won't because it goes really goes really well with the scene before it's like who's by this. And it's like a named you alita after my daughter's like, I'm not your daughter damn. Yeah. Yeah. When it came full circle is like done more. Okay. It's when it's just before vectors deaths, and she is kind of breaking into the building and just fucking up those centurion like my favorite part. Specifically is when she just picks up this giant Gatling gun. And just when that started happening. I was like. What's it gonna do? Then when she does. Yeah. Kill thank terrified of those. There's only one or two out there when when he goes on. He's like don't kill both called you. Remember cops intreans oh cop those big. Call. Family guy. They ask for your hall pass. Yeah. About that scene though. Is that short? Yes. Not like the matrix reloaded words like fucking thirty minutes, Dun done fan film. Well. Well. Hundred like Citron's is it's really done all the action, you need us and moves on she kicks names and takes us very character's favourite cared. So we all like leader. Right. Yeah. Favorite side characters. A white guy with the beer is the dog guy. Sure. One hundred percent, okay. And he you know, he was so upset when I hold on. Let's have a little how about your favorite dog dog of his is the little one diving. So that's FANG thing. Yeah. That's my favorite one. Because I was like he was sticking up for leader. Because a leader gave him a sandwich earlier into a dog that is like a Wicky lifetime sandwich. Look at brio. What is he saying? That it was flat bread. Maybe. It looked like this steak sandwiches to get from this place called soul food. It's like flat bread on top. Anyway, if rito sandwich, whatever it was, I don't give shit skin food, and he was about to do it. And then got killed. It's very so hold on let you know in the manga, and I haven't gotten this far because I went to Twitter and talked about it. And apparently in the manga ITO brings them to life the dog. Yeah. Brings back to life in the manga on the move. But they needed to stay for the movie. Yeah. Yeah. I think horrified. What's the dog is names? That guy in here. The dog just comes in. There's no dog guy. Baby. Call them something. Yeah. Various what his name is in this picked. Western dog is the dog Lord is my favorite. Yeah. It's fun. Yeah. I will just jump on and say like Dyson, I mean, of course, it's the fan the Email vacuum. I was just gonna say like little little known fact, he actually invented fans vacuums and travel back in time. You know, Dyson was actually the last vacuum. Yeah. Iron city. Final four. Such a warming. And like I'm not used to seeing him as a warming presence because he's not in in goes. And he's not warming in in Django funny, and he's jubilant, but he bunch of people. That's the thing is that he it's kind of his acting like deceiving in that way, where he comes off very lighthearted and fun, and especially Django, murdering people and slave favorite scenes in that movie or my favorite scene in that movie is them in the saloon. Yeah. Like that was like that's what I'm used to. And then singing this actually be warm like a war sincere nights. Instead of the juxtaposition familiar with the original. But dare I say humic, really good PetO. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Very well. But I'm not I don't know the actual Pinocchio busy making Pinocchio Disney. Yeah. Probably bastard, so Dyson, I I really really enjoyed. He was just so he was so sweet so supportive, just so Anna bad ass to like kind of a secret battle about being a hunter warrior, and he's like what did he say? It was the phrasing. He uses where he's like, it's not a glory not glorious. It's not a selfless job or whatever. Yeah. Whatever that phrasing was sent noble noble noble job and the money. So he can give people free repairs because he's a nice guy keeps Quantico that was also in the bar when he's like stop it or no more for repairs everyone's shit. And also the look of the pan. I was I was gonna say like. That's my favorite my favorite side. Character. Actually, this is my answer pan his design his design is honestly, what is my face Jude law's character. He is super different than the book. The only thing from the book, that's really the same. Is that little weird symbol on his head? Because like if you see there's a lot of like, Hispanic or lanai. Yeah. Look, which I'm like Robert Rodriguez, baby. Putting on a British guy. I don't I don't get it. But I I love it. Like this like giants back like a it looks like a kind of like mind. Yeah. Yeah. Fuck full hawk so cool. Don't get. Yeah. I don't understand why it was on him. But you know. In the book, he has spiky hair. And he looks like a riddle regular punk. I don't think he should have been half a sword. He should've been played by Danny trio. No, no. Gr crisco. Oh, yeah. But then also gross. He's pretty what's that actor's name roszak? Freddie. Krueger. Remember is Jamie goal some some? Yeah. Haley, Jackie Earle. Haley might have been more stimulated by him. If it was. Yeah. You're on did Ali say words. Yes. I said oh fuck around has evil. You'd normally. The pan like depend halers. Start seeing the KISS. I n g. I was gonna say K, I L I N G hunter warrior. I actually align with morals. You know, you know, like when she like Hugo Yugo ever fuck is like king, his body fix. And then. Just like that just moved his hand. Like just pointing towards like, let's go see him is such a dad move like cook. I fixed it, but come like, it was so we're getting such like this like imprint version of my dad onto him where there's a lot of Saint similar things like my dad's pissed I came home late, but they're still food waiting for me. But he'll like luxury while I'm eating. Anymore or like don't do this? But you'll follow me anyways. Or like are we going or not going, and he just point to the Carling? I guess we're going like Ellis's like this is like it's so good shut up to my Campo cruddy teacher fifteen years, Robert, Vito kitchen, strong thought you the whole time shut up to my to my dad. Listen to this. Good and Robert. And then to wall mom's favorite part. Yes. Let's talk the rating, I don't know anymore. I like both. Okay. Because it allows us to like things. But also be a critique them, not criticized, but to creek allow us to analyze them look at it and still like at the end of the day. Like, you can't love things blindly or else. It'll hurt you in the end. If you love things understanding Lee, then you know, it never you. Can I start? I don't normally I hate the whole movie hall thing. No, okay. So I have three qualms one. And because I am I am a dad for babies. Hell, yeah. I found it the baby. The baby's the dog dying. I just I just I understand the the dramatic kind of reason because it actually inspires her to be even more bad ass. But I just should just Hugo. Or that or that? I agree. That's not what I was gonna say. So there is that so just unnecessary in general. I just thought it was on a sir that he actually had a die like just like or she or she already looking for him. So it's not like. Yeah. Yeah. I get that. Yeah. Okay. So Hugo gets killed. Yes saved. And then of course, we don't know there's a sequel, we didn't we didn't see a death show the body. So he could still be alive. But I was like that happened and he fell and I was like. You should've just killed on the first time. Right. You're back. Like why bring him back probably in the next couple. So it's like, yeah. It is. That's just I have to take this movie for what it is a solitary thing to add to that. So I haven't finished this. And this pretty much has a majority of the movie in there, and it looks like it has that part. Where like, hey goes shopped off and Bob lies row by I've seen where he dies or anything that. I haven't seen a lot of shit like they don't explain like him until like after gruza dies. Yeah. So it's a very it's a lot of its advocated adapted. So updated. Those were there. Eggs. Yeah. I think they just wanna stick close to the source. But yeah, I I got that. And then my last Kwame, and it's kind of a biggie. I know that it's beautiful. And I know that she is great. I do not understand why leader has to be a full CGI character. That it was just something for me for some reason. I. On that vote with you as well. Yeah. There were other cyborgs that had. Yeah. You wanna find yours yours human faces? But you can go ahead and tiger pounce on. No. Well, like, I mentioned before most of us movie vast majority. This movie looks amazing like CG work. I was like oh about what they did when she's wet when she goes under water stuff. Oh. Let me. She's wet. I mean underwater. Anyway. Yeah. She rises back up. And then you see her with wet hair and all your what twice under rain. Yes. What you? What you? I don't know what your brain is going. But yeah. So when those moments happen, that's pretty amazing. But again, I'm conscious of that. I was Concer that while watching it. So it's like it's like I'm giving it a test testing it throughout the entire movie to see like doesn't look good. Are it up? Thing came at it with baggage a little bit little bit. I guess re-live bagging. I did not have that the fast anything about this. And I couldn't stop thinking about this paradigm. Whatever was think about I don't think about this at all with most other movies, like mainly marvel movie. Yeah. Fantas the difference. I guess between Thanos and her for me is that Santos isn't a human. So it all looks for him. But now you're looking at someone who's ninety percent what we are looking at. So it's going to stick out quite a bit more. Yeah. But that's also writings, that's I guess that's my young. That was that was also wrapped in. Like me being curious as to why she had to look the way she did when it's a data to film like you could just have the actress be the actress that was kind of part of it too. But. I'm sure there's an answer for it. Well, we'll discuss a little bit. But. And I know this is. The body is. It's a robot body, right? But her but her face like not even better faced I call. I couldn't she just be the actress why did it have to be with the anime is, and that whole pack like that whole thing. But I think that was like the question the internet asked when it was first revealed, and I'm sure there's an answer for it. But it's also I'm sure James Cameron just wants to have fun. And like makes it look and Robert Riggs is not going to shy away from CGI as we know. So so just trying to make it look. So that I can appreciate and I really did enjoy singer on screen, but there were a couple moments where I was like, okay, that's a little strange in this particular angle. It wasn't really outing. You wanted a little more like X Makina? I guess nobody regular face, right? Oh, sure. Yes. So it's screen, and then that one Blake chick just enhance the is. I don't know. But that in really I see that as a negative to like, it's not really a Cuomo Guam. This discussion which I want to jump to another. Go ahead. Circle back to the only thing about that. Is that she's not the other cyborgs? We see are all earth cyborgs, human cyborgs, have human half, whatever. Right. And she is literally from Mars, so they're meant to look a little different like Valerian or or avatar. It's it's just completely. So is that so that's my question is I don't know if the maybe because I didn't see it twice. So was that something that was like solidif- salute? Like, she. The whole Morris thing. Yes, she's she's from the United Republic Mars that. Yeah. But I mean, I guess that makes sense is her head supposed to be like a human head. It's all more like a. All that style. All that kind of all her other her other squad mates all had the same look. Yeah. Yeah. Who was that kind of leads played by Michelle Rodriguez? It was it really last zombie girl in one. Was at least to my next Kwame? So I don't know if you want to talk about CG, do all your. So my other issue was with the ending and kind of leading it open to the degree that did which would have been fine. If if I felt like I had a like a good climax. I have a the same vector. And I've thought this through of how I would probably change it. 'cause I was like okay him killing vector doesn't really impact her eating killed her killing vector doesn't really impact me in the scene because it's it's vector dying. Not not Nova. And then I was like she didn't really even inconvenience him that much like maybe if like blew up the building or something like started some larger domino effect because it's because he's he's a basically a sentient being so to speak, and he can possess people. He's a God like taken even if you took Dr sheer like back with her some like, you know, something like resolve. Scene. She did destroy the factory which was where that that. That's what I but. That's not. Yeah. Yeah. My issue isn't even there. My my big issue is where it ends. And how it does it. Right. So because I like the idea if it's obviously it's going to be a multiple movies. I don't need closure to it. But how you leave me is very important. Right. So for me, right. She the thing with with Hugo dying. The second time is it very quickly happens. Like, suddenly, it's very kills vector within like a span of like five minutes. She kills Victor, Hugo dicey falls. And then it's a time lapse too. So she's the champion. And for me. I think what would have left me more excited was for her to come back home. Right. Yeah. After losing Hugo after doing this thing come back home and being so determined that she's gonna get up there that she's gonna go. Register register as the wanna know. Explanation. I don't really wanna miss this the the motorable stuff. Yeah. Like, I like that. She gets the champion. That's the route jump gonna go because I think that's fucking awesome. But I would have liked to see the like talking maybe talking maybe one more scene with ITO at the end where she decides I'm gonna do something about this. And she goes, and she's like I'm here to register for motorboat or whatever. And then it comes out. Came back to the her with a sword pointing up like without the like, build up of her in the locker or more, whatever like cut all that out the registration before it. And then at the end, I. I don't want that would probably be in next second movie next movie. Because what I noticed was. There's got to be when you do time jump like that you've got to be. There's got to be reason for it. Yeah. But literally only gonna happens after the time jump is her pointing sort. We'll know she's about to get sent to. Yeah. But you know, but it doesn't take it back. If she was just like, maybe she's at the registration like what's your name? And she's like, you know, a leader. And then it's just like the credits rolled right? I would have been so happy with your name. Oh, and then the okay sorry. I just wanna make sure like in my view of sorry. My view of it is like what's your name? And then the title goes. Yeah. That's either way whatever it is like in the end of vendors ultra n-, you know, her plan, you know, what she wants to do. And you're excited to go through that adventure with her. You didn't miss it. Like, I missed a big part of her venture there, which isn't a bad thing. 'cause I like going, and I wanna see more. But I'm cutting forward. I would expect that they would. Go that extra mile and show, you know, show you the city and the people, but I think this might be how you felt was with Lord of the rings. So. Yeah. Like for me, that's the opposite. Like that's a bad ass from like for me. Like, I've already seen all the motor newsy. Yeah. Like, that's how I see it. Like, a what more you're gonna show me more explosions or more more pieces flying like her in an actual game? Would be cool. Yes, I'm going through now. I mean, I also it could be a five minute or like a two minute sequence montage and the first so that leads me to the kind of idea. Like, I'm thinking that the again, it depends if they get it or not I think they're gonna get one. Is that the second film starts off? Exactly at that moment. Like, right. When she's about start her final fight her final match before she gets into them because you start out with an actually either way. That's how I would like to the next movie to start there. The first one in there. Yeah. I got that to your point of the G though. My like, I feel you have a overall concept idea of like this is an interesting con. Sept for me specifically like I don't like her face. Look like in like three point three point three parts one which is on the bike with Hugo second time is when she's climbing after Hugo, and that there when Hugo falls. Every single those times her face looks more feline like I didn't like it. And I was just like, but also it's a combination of I'm probably that's probably how the actual Rose's face looks like sometimes combined with that. Between the two and you're accepting the the facial more for me. I think in this me, right? I don't fucking hang out with Jim and rob. And John I think the real reason they made her all CGI at least face wise is because they wanted to kind of show a little bit more faith towards this source material. Yeah. And show that you can sell an anime face. And like it doesn't have to be like scholar Johann playing a Japanese character fair in like they can sell like a sailor moon looking girl could sell power girl, girl. And I think it also helps because the entire time you're cognizant that she looks different than every other robot interesting or about that up. What's the interested now with the ethnicity of the actresses, she's Hispanic what? So that interesting. So it wasn't CG. And it was her cast there probably would have been something. And so not being what I mean. Instead, making her look just more like it. That's also another discussion where it's like. Yeah. It's anime ghost in the shell. Yes. Scarlata handsome. But is that's supposed to be Tokyo. I think it isn't ghost in the shell bags. Shows. Creator didn't even give a shit about sex. She's a western woman. No, this is all an iron. It's United States. Okay. Yeah. So, but like an all the so like if time the attitudes are the body is not from Mars. It's more of a European thing because at times preservers Vikings insulate and so like there's there's other things got adapted. So like, it's not Grisha. It's mkaku her viceroy beforehand is there's no talking like the body was a daughter's body like those are all things that the attitude. I'm like, those are really good -at's anyways. So the is that the plot. And the story was was fine for the most part and in really enjoying it. There's a couple of cliche things like her boyfriend being, you know, the cyber jacker whatever the. Yeah. Well opposite. Yeah. It's it's that cliche like of him doing the thing that he knows his his girlfriend's not gonna like whatever. And then as soon as it happened. I guess he's gonna find out and she's going to be mad about it. Which I appreciate that. They didn't really like spend too much time with her being mad about it. But still so far something that again in the book that I read so far like it isn't even talk about him in even at the end. It doesn't even show. It has a big part like, so it's the Hollywood version. Like talk about our other podcasts trope time. It's a true. Like, I mean, there's a thing. That's like I was reading it. And I got to like the fight underground. And I was like, I don't know where the fuck this Hugo. And I'm like, why is he such a romantic character? Also like, he's explain Rollerball. He's playing exile. Explain how could get there. It's like everyone plays little Mr. Mr. or MRs exposition once or twice of an alita. That's interesting. I didn't know the James Cameron was part of the one of the writers. And it kinda makes sense because he doesn't really simple stories. Very very avatar will. Yeah. I mean, it's also kind of like simple to me is a little alien to. It's like very simple, but it's just kind of well done out enough like other support like positive really, great in-depth lake character development stuff that helped them rains dying. Yeah. Yeah. So the thing about this film day. It's interesting that you talk about like, it's really simple. There's something about it. Where like I like, but it's also it's discussion point it's pretty simple story of a girl who's trying to find a place in the world. And maybe meets a boy and finds every establishment against her wits about characters more, right? But no, it's like there's a there's so many movies are just like that. Yeah. But this does it in the foreground of the cyberpunk world. It does it with this cutting edge technology, and as well as like there's the ghost of like, we don't know what the fuck happened before the world's like this. And so I it's fun. But it's also like to me it's like very again. Like, I said, it's very nineties very nineties filmmaking style, which makes sense because fucking takes James Cameron twelve years make a movie. Yeah. So it's like the script lights twelve years to write this. I wonder if there's a like there's a scene on the cutting floor or part of the script changed that like has her like getting some exposition from the Martian ship or whatever that. I would hate that. But I'm just saying like it would have given you more context for like where she came from. Or who she maybe? Oh, no. Yeah. This is where you and I differ a lot of times. Like, I think for me like I love not knowing and I think you like something explains. So you're not always guessing. Right. And so I mean, like, it's a different type of movie, I just took it is that something will learn and I mean, but also fan of being subtle with it. I don't want to monitor Jarvis explaining it to me for fifteen minutes. But I need something like a passing glance at something that's on a screen somewhere like ITO telling her, so, but I think those that that really my main qualm is her siege. On her face looks a little off sometimes. I don't care about the differences. They made with attitudes. So like in the book, it's not the dog's blood. They're just downstairs they're down in the hole. Tar and the daughters that would have been fine. The Dada hasn't died yet. But then the thing is about the dog dying out. It's really like it's a little much. But I kind of like now that we talked about it makes more sense that they do it. I still don't like it that much, but it makes more sense mainly because is this showing how he's terrorizing her and ends like willing to do where fuck you can't like to get her like makes you hate him more. And it makes me adverse to like the film. I think I was annoyed from killing the dog more in that. Like there was this is totally just a timing thing. But like the amount of time that it took for grisko Britzka to like fire at the dog. There was enough time for someone to react in some way, shape or form everyone reacted like after the fact. Anyone who would would be alita? The problem. I mean in relation I feel like they didn't know that this guy was going that. Yeah. Right. I was just like my like actual human instincts your nice fascinating. I'm yeah. I'm putting my personal Madison's when I saw it was happening. I like the moment his hand came up like oh fuck. Dog go run that with within. But then because of that I was like wouldn't alita or dog guy. A have that exact same reaction is me were like the split second where the hand comes up where you can tell because about to be an asshole like wouldn't have. I don't know. Goes there's a part of their like, yeah. Pretty fucked up. He's not that fucked up now. 'cause they're thinking past this, right? They all know him pre his new body. So he might have gone a little crazy. And I have a feeling that they they're like, oh, he's one of us. He's he's. Yeah. And then that was kind of like the OSHA. Well, and but even then a leader still responded, especially with her like Spidey sense battle reactions like I I guess my across the room, though, is that like she I feel like it could have cut faster and had her like have any kind of reaction is the reaction when she comes back like I'm gonna put this on my face now like it was too deadpan. Like, I feel that she should have been communicated her anger more rather than like, I'm gonna. Yeah. About to mess him up in the way that I. The way that I. Angry. I think your weight like the way she is when she's actually downstairs, and she says, and this is where you're going to die could have been done upstairs. Yeah. Exactly. That's that's what I'm trying to communicate. Is that like the timing was she she didn't react when he was obviously going to do something. And then and then her reaction wants she like is putting the blood on her face of being like way to calm. Yeah. Because that's where her anger should've exploded and could have built from there. But like it was just too calm to me other qualms. I haven't talked about any of my mom's. So many sides the ending. They were just little things that took me out of the story the cell phone in her head bugged me the fact that that wasn't there for a lot of other points where I feel like it would be like when she was missing. And he went to the bar to find her like why didn't he just call her head? Maybe because she had she doesn't have the preserved body was like bits in her head. But like does the body have a cell phone number? But like, you know, what I mean, like how did he says I would've liked there's no there's no there's no phone, right? I would've loved to either find a way around that. Or explain to us that now you can do this thing that that was would have saved some plot early on. Yeah. The the guy who gets sucked in with a chain who has the chainsaws for arms where he cuts a robot in half. But doesn't think to cut the chain or his legs that are attached to the chain? Pulling him into a grinder off bugged me. Yeah. Because he's supposed to be one hundred warrior like he's supposed to be a murderer. It'd be a release. Yeah. Like disconnect the chains. Like, she. It's the other girls chain that she wraps around his legs. And she throws into the grinder. But he's got to hacksaw that he just cut a robot and half with the doesn't think to cut the chain. That's pulling him like that bugged me for some reason. I don't know why. But both times I thought I couldn't stop thinking about that. What's funny is? I it didn't occur to me because it happened. So quickly. He probably didn't have time to react. Cl- clause away news now it's time to start up his chain size. He's being pulled in. Yeah. But he's also not smart. One hundred people. He's also a killer for hire. He's survived. He's a survivor. So I don't believe that. That's another another calm. That's kind of in the same vein is that when he goes falling and the second time, I watched it. I looked to make sure she could've like grabbed his torso with his face. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I know. I usually do that. I'm like grab my foot grandma feet and said like, oh, yeah. What you're saying? Only going slip because. Yeah. Yeah. I the guy who played Hugo, man. I don't believe him in at all I would've liked more. But it felt very Disney channel original movie casting and not I don't mean that in like a great way. And it it took me out of it like the lines where he's like your girlfriend's crazier, whatever. And he is like all right. I'll see you later, and she's not my girlfriend like I miss stand. I couldn't stand that that that relationship. I just had an issue with because I because of the I don't think he was cast right. It it prevented me from falling into that the ITO in alita one. I totally got because he's a father who lost his daughter. She doesn't like he assumes that role immediately. And that makes a lot of sense to me. But but the I I had trouble believing the Hugo leader relationship strictly on the acting capabilities of the guy who played Hugo. So I would have liked to see someone else in that. Yeah. I mean. Yeah. For sure I agree with that. I also didn't. I didn't buy the chemistry between doctor, Sharon and Kristof Altman. Yeah. Opposite of like in that role like personality types. Yeah. Oh, like, that's what they are. Now. Maybe now, we don't know she got maybe messes you I mean, divorced him think you're going to be divorced with your child died. Yeah. And that that can that can fuck shit up. I feel like they they got rid of fast. Like, there should've been some kind of little thing. 'cause when she's like, I'm a mother and her doctor, and like I feel you want her to get killed by the grand like the dog. She gets killed by. Just a little bit more interaction because the only time we start to see her as like the person that she is that would have made more sense for her to be with ITO is like when she's saying, I'm a mother doctor and a mother forgot that. And that's all we get and then she's dead tragedy. Not dead. But right now, she's brain in is in hand hand are so they would save that for testing. I do believe that they wasted her. I do Jennifer Connelly talented actress. She might come back. Right. So but in this in this film alone. I think that they either needed to make her part bigger or not have her complete yet. Yeah. Yeah. That'd get enough of her. I really was interested in that whole dynamic with ITO and her and now her helping alita like, I don't know what I haven't read the the manga, but maybe. Like, it's interesting that we're both trying to think of like how that final could have gone differently to make it a bit more of a satisfying ending. I think it could have involved like higher stakes and then something and her. But of course, the reveal is part of it. But yeah, her having liked to save alita somehow or helper in some way to redeemer character. But more I mean, she does. But then like after the fact you mean after she says out like one more time or something. Yeah. Something I don't know that. But I mean, that's it for me aside from what I talked about the ending. I had some issues with the the character relationships and some of the the acting with with Hugo and his gang cool. So that brings us to ratings or more calms, I do have more calms. Get through the rating. So we can go the poems. I so I was bothered by how lush everything is outside of iron city, and how easy it is for people to leave iron city, and no one's living out there because no power you need it though. Power. Like, I mean, I. With some water. Yeah. I guess it just bothered me because like shadow that city. Yeah. You're like, why would you stay there? There's so much scrap metal. You can go build a new the-they over this little live in LA when the Bakersfield right because that's where every wants to go because he wanted to them. Them motor. But there are people who live in bigger, so. Yeah. And there's are automated tractors in outside of residue. Yeah. I so it's kinda like no one wants to live outside because they want everything they want a consumer society is inside. Likely. That's true. Do you see people coming in when they're leaving? Yeah. Border. A little also to come in one car leaves and then five year waiting to get in. So obviously the want to get out is not as high as one union fair point. Yeah. And plus don't know what's out there. It may look lush, but it might be dangerous true. And like 'cause they call it the badlands. So there has to be defense to be further entire civilization was almost wiped out by an attack. So the safest place to be is probably in the city the century you about it. Failure. There. But not unlike the earth shook the sky burned, and it'd be like that's probably where I'm gonna go. Right rate. Yeah. To according to kaitlin and one on one. So Josh, I'm a first Josh your first. Yeah. You always go first. Reverse vehicle. Three point eight ice Ali. Four or five one. You know, reverse off vehicle. Yes. Times both thinking about this the first time I thought it was the three but having thought about it and seeing the second time, it's a three point five. Three point nine, yo. Core of the week. Yeah. I'm still excited to see the rest. I have a lot of questions and that I'm excited answer thing that we want to see more. It just didn't hit a few missed a few notes from it makes me want to read more of the book. So I actually ordered volume two and it's coming in the mail. I would love to read the books probably probably like that dog. So. I read it anymore bucket every mind. I want wanna do wanna save it there. The anybody here seen repo the genetic opera had such strong vibes about that. When ITO was going out to save. Oh, yeah. Oh my God. All all I was thinking was did they just like watch repo the genetic opera this? I'm sure. Rodriguez is a very like grind house field guy. So yeah. Yeah. I just wanted to bring that up because the vibe from that was so strong. What you've got. Now what Robert Rodriguez directing repo? That would be one of the refill episode. Well, I feel complete complete are you complete. Yeah. Okay. Cool. Everybody at home. Thank you so much for listening for. Yeah. I mean, I'm mostly thank you for. I mostly. Thank you. Mostly mostly Cory, thanks to watching or listening for sharing for all the support that everybody at home shows us if you are nudes inert on you. Can check us out on on dot TV. That's the website. We aren't apple podcasts and anywhere podcasts. Heard drops a review share it with your friends, your families, or as Corey says, your enemies because he said because I said, yeah, I didn't know that we do have a monthly newsletter. You can go to our website to sign up for that. We have another podcast as Tom mentioned earlier trope time it is once a month. First Monday of every month, our friends Niki, an easy, take you into the wonderful world of tropes in culture. It's fun stuff. But yeah, that's it. 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Alita: Battle Angel Spoiler Special ft. Robert Rodriguez and Jon Landau

The Empire Film Podcast

47:59 min | 1 year ago

Alita: Battle Angel Spoiler Special ft. Robert Rodriguez and Jon Landau

"Heliport? I'm Chris Hewitt and welcome to the latest nurse series of spoiler special podcasts. This one is dedicated to alita battle angel movie. That was a passion project for many years of one James Cameron. But when he found himself focusing on all things avatar, he turned to his trusted friend Robert Rodriguez to direct futuristic Sifi tail and in his very special episode. That's who you'll be hearing from Rodriguez and Cameron's longtime producer, Jon Landau, both in conversation with Helen O'Hara. Now, this is a sport or special and Helen gets pretty deep into the film with both guys. So if you haven't seen a liter bottle angel as I always say highly to your nearest cinema, an income back here when you seem to film, I'm press play deal deal. Okay. The first interview is with producer, Jon Landau here. It is enjoy. So we're joined today by. John landa. Thanks very much for being here. Thank you for allowing me. This has been a longtime coming is it is relief almost to have this off your to do list. It's not a relief. I it's rewarding it it's it's something we make movies to be shared. And now we're finally getting to share our little girl that we've spent twenty years raising. And you know, it's interesting even talked about when we were looking to find director. We realized Jim couldn't direct it. I tell people we want to find a director that we could parent this child with together. And so now this is our child's coming out party. King theon era or. Debut was it sort of difficult to get James to hand over was a matter of him realizing himself, look, I'm kind of time in two thousand and five Jim was really torn whether to do avatars director or to do a leader. He spent about a year trying to figure that out and he alternately as history shows chose avatar which worked quite well which worked out quite well. And then we realized that she was going to be in the avatar directing business for quite some time. And we slowly started to talk to a handful of directors. None of whom were that right partner is again, we don't want to turn it over. And then out of a social lunch with Robert three our social lunch. Jimmy, very at the exactly at the end of it Robertson, Jim if you're only avatar for the foreseeable future. What happens to movies like alita and a light bulb went off Jim's head, and he said, do you have fifteen minutes, a took Robert, and he showed them an art real those about fifteen. Minute art, real that we had done in two thousand and five and we had actress come in and do voice overs and all this and Robert saw the oh my God. He says that's great within rot Jim reach into his closet and pulled out a hundred AB six page script the gym had written, which we all knew was too long. Jim roope. He was undirected was cut it down. And then he reached again and pulled out six hundred pages of notes and set to Robert few can crack the script you can directed. And Robert in something that I think is relatively unprecedented. He went off with no deal in place, and he worked for four months, and it came back and it reduced the script one hundred twenty eight pages. Now, I think jazz reaction was everything likes going to be gone and Jim read fifteen page. Okay. My favorite things coming up. It's still there cat to pay twenty five my favorite things coming up, and it was still there. What Robert did he said you don't rewrite Jim Cameron? You can edit him. And Robert edited things that were superfluous, but all of the heart the gym in ridden in the story. All the character beats Robert found a way of keeping. And that was the best way to really show Jim ni- that he saw the movie the way we did. And let's go for it. I was gonna ask what was the key to the? I think that was the key. I look interest if Robert a comeback in the script wasn't there. We wouldn't have done it. Or if the script had been changed still discrepancy chain, but he did movies to me are about the themes and Robert kept all of the themes that were important the father daughter relationship, the Hugo alita love story. And what's the team there? Hugo falls in love with something. He's always looked down on something. He's he stolen Jack parts of their bodies. But that's what he falls in love. What a universal message that theme of a young innocent girl discovering that she is the ability inside of her to be a hero all of that. He had kept. I mean, high in the first place, did you sort of get to this story from the manga because it's such a huge story. But it was it was those themes was at that kind of it was I think what happened was Gammel detoro introduced us to the material. And when we read it, and we realized we thought at the time Kashira I'd only done nine books of the Mondo series. Now, he's done another. Twenty-three or whatever the number is. But I think whenever you do an adaptation, or whenever you do a bio pic for that matter 'cause you're a life. You have to pick what part of that life. You wanna tell and Jim who started at writing him himself on the project really made the decision to do the origin story of alita, not to go and sees alum not to go out further into the badlands and meet dusty Nova and these other characters, but to focus it on her her story because he saw it as a story for what was his eight year old daughter at the time, and he wanted her to be identify with that character. Yeah. The decision not to show us more of alum. I thought was really interesting though, because a lot of you know, similar sort of dystopia n- utopian divides in filmmaking Sifi, fancy whatever you show us. Both. Both very much. Well, I think the idea is that so so oftentimes a dream is something that we don't ever have a physical manifestation to relate to it. It's it's in our mind, and we wanted to hinted solemn and have it be in the mind. But what I love for me, one of the things I really love about this movie is that if we just did a still frames of iron city, it could look very distortion and uninviting. But when you see a leader go through the world, she doesn't see it that way because she has no other context to put it in. She sees it, vibrant. She sees people selling things on the street. She says mother walking with the daughter holding hand, she sees life. And and it reminds me of the first time I ever went to Cambodia, and I was out on the streets, and they don't have cell phones. Then on the have fancy cars put there was a joy in the people and alita. Brings joy to the streets of iron city. That's what she sees. What she and therefore we see that way. And it's a great little note for the audience and a leader. Then takes us. We see many things through leaders is we see iron city we see motorable for the first time. We don't take her and throw her into the sport the first time, she goes. And she's watching it. She's a spectator, and that allows us to engage with that something about the casting because it's really important to get Rosa. There is late on have have someone who can can give her that heart. Now, you know, people go Johnny glad it took nineteen years in the technology. Got to a point where I said, I'm glad it took nineteen years because we found Rosa Salazar because she embodies this character, we could have cast anybody age wasn't a qualifier because we were doing a computer generated character ethnicity wasn't a factor. So we were able to cast a very very wide. Net with actresses young actresses to play this part and Robert called Jimmy after he did an audition with Rosa and said if we had a cast today, I think I might founder I've never been addition with someone who made me cry before. And he shared it with us and said, yes, she seems great. But we all said we gotta keep looking. So we looked for another three months. And we found a couple other really, but we thought were potential candidates, and we asked all three of them to come in and do an old fashioned screen test. We wanna big sound stage one actor playing opposite them, and they all did the same five scenes a lot of work. And then we played those each person's performance up on the big screen and there was one shining light. And it was Rosa, and we told her, you know, she got the port, and then she just gave us everything she went into two and a half to three hours of physical training every day learning. Martial arts learning movement, learning rollerblading learning all these different things. And I remember her agent call Lisa, John. I know you're a couple months away from filming but Rosa has an opportunity to go. Do this other movie in Italy is summer, it's a wedding scene. Should be like VERA, Wang, clothing, and all this stuff. Would you be? Okay. If she went for six days, and she'd be back still month and a half before the shoot, I said, absolutely. We we'll make that work. Not a problem roses had no rose said, I'm alita. I'm staying focused, and I'm doing this. And that's amazing. Yeah. It was and then you surrounded her with basically Oscar enters, you know, we're able to surround her with his incredible cast because of the incredible script we had you don't attract Christoph waltz. Jennifer Connelly more Herschel Ali Jack, your Haley ED's crying to these type of roles unless the script is there for them to see something for their acting chops. And it was very important for us to utilize technology on this film in a way that empowered the actor and didn't impede the actor. So the performance capture process, we use the loud, Rosa. To hugged Christoph waltz to tussle physically with MMA Herschel, alley let her Jennifer Connelly her arm and look at in in amazement. So it was about technology make allowing technology to go away and letting these incredible actors just perform their parts. Absolutely now, this is for our spoiler special. Okay. So we this is absolutely signposted spoilers. Nobody will listen to this by but it was asked as well by Edward Norton at. Yeah. Because I only see throw that might be James Cameron for a while. It was deliberate. That was not delivered. It's really people said to me. Was that Jim? And it's like, no. And I never thought of that. And why we never thought of it. If you look at what ca- Shiro in the manga, drew. All right. It's that hair. It's that glasses. It's you know, it's all it's all of that. It never really occurred to us. But I certainly see why people see it, and, you know, going back to Jim and type notes that Jim rights and all these things Ed has a, you know, a surgical part, you know, parts of small small actors, right? So it's a surgical part. But Jim sent him seventeen pages of notes about his character to help inform the character and guild is the one training her Michelle dri, it's Michelle Rodriguez. So that's another great example. And Jim do the same thing sent her a plethora of notes, that's awesome. I was gonna ask in terms of Drake is particularly was an element of kind of almost James Cameron and Robert Rodriguez can Easter eggs like coal Bax to there because I thought when Christopher picked up the arm and the dump at the beginning like Terminator arm. Look, I think we all see films through our own eyes. And everybody has a different perspective. I think people will take away certain elements that Jim and I loved working with Michelle Rodriguez. She's just a bundle of dynamic energy, which is contagious, which is so great. And Robert, of course as worked with her. And she was so excited, you know, to do this jelly came in for a couple days on it. And it was really nice shed a come back and do a little one little pickup shot that we needed and she right where we're filming avatar. And you know, everybody was so excited to see her. You'll bro what's happening to say. That can the crew and and doing all these things. So you know, what happens on movies you form bonds, and you could be a part for period of time. But when you come back together those bonds they form right back up still. There was a much cut from the film because I knew Courtney was really unjust that one moment John was only ever intended to be in that one that one moment, you know, motorable might play out more if we ever audiences ever tell us they want more sequels that was the only seen that was really scripted. And he's of course in the motorable too. But you don't really, you know, see his face. Robert did a lot of the. Editing in the writing process as I said, you know, you don't rewrite Jim Cameron. You edit him. And when he edited the script we lost a lot of there is one seem that took place towards the beginning of the movie where Hugo introduces a leader to motorable and an after that he takes trains her in like a sewer gully. And he does it in a tempt for her to trigger her memory and away to help her get her memory back when we were cutting the film together, we understood that we understood what she did. And we just felt we didn't need that that scene. And that's really the only wholesale seem other scenes we trimmed here we train there. You make it work. But that's the one scene that we take out. Okay. An he as well. Was he always going to die you go? What was always going to die? And you know, that was a tough roll to cast because we wanted. A young teenage actor or could play teenage who could be both a street kid. But also have the vulnerability in the sensitivity that you need. And we looked at a lot a lot of people before we found kin and a lot of things I didn't know about Kim before we cast them. I didn't know that he'd been on Broadway and Billy Elliot and you suddenly see him in his body. And how he he really commanded. I think that the role, you know, so well and women tell me that the he's a honked. He's a very very good looking. He's he's young. But. Yeah. You had to have somebody young for that role. Because otherwise, it would just seem wrong to be hanging out with the leader the threaten part of his story to because the adult role is the Christoph Waltraud because that's another love story in the movie Kristoff has a second chance at fatherhood. You know, he's he starts out and wants to coddle this girl that is now taking in as an orphan, but limit her the way maybe he had done to his daughter who tragically passed away. And it's a lead is impact on him that allows him to grow as a character in one of my favorite moments is when elitist trying out for the motorable, it's not something he wants her to do as a parent. He's worried put on this helmet. Take this take that. And then he reaches into his bag and pulls out a brand new pair of motorable skates. Yeah. And she goes did you make those for me, and he doesn't say anything, and it's like that. A father accepting daughter for who she is. Yeah. Yeah. It's a lovely moment. Actually that is like I don't want to do this. But if you're going to do it, I'm gonna make sure you're safe doing in terms of the the moldable was important to have that threat as well as the sort of the hundred killer thread, which seems more obviously related, but I think they both kind of I think well, the hunter warrior might be more plot related. I think both very character related. I think what Jim does is. He writes action sequence that advance the character alita goes into the first street motorable game, and she's taking out she's knocked down. And he finds it within her went when Hugo goes to try and help her to come up being the gentleman that he can be she pushes his arm away. That's a character moment when she goes into the motorable tryouts and finds out that everybody is after her. That's about what do you do with that? And then Hugo interrupt so right in the middle of all this. So it's about servicing character. But what would motorable gave us was the ability to put that cinematic spectacle up on the screen in a I believe a brand new fresh way. Like people haven't seen it before. Yeah. I think that's fair. What about this fight scene in the bar the bars there's the bit where she smears the blood on her face. Was there any shooter pushback that 'cause I was that was quite hard core. I thought for this film what you know. It's really interesting if you look at the underlying material again, we have pulled back from what Kashira has put on the page on often cases in terms of that type of cyberpunk action. And by doing it there with a non human character, albeit a dog, you never see it. You only see the after affect of it. And again, it's a character moment. When she takes that blood and wipes it on her and she stands up, which is I do not stand by in the presence of evil. That's like should be a mantra. Yeah. For everybody. Women men, whomever. It is you don't have to stand by you can make a difference. You can speak up and that moment represents then am I was asked as well. But the title 'cause I think you were the person who was sort of pushing for it to go from battle angel alita to a liter bottles angel. Can you tell me about the sort of the difference? The difference for me is that to me. This is a movie about a character. She is a leader. She is a person, you know, this movie begs the question, what does it mean to be human? Are you human if you have a physical human body, or can you be human if you have a mechanical heart? But really, what makes us human is our mind is our soul is our consciousness. And by leading with the name it gives it a greater sense of humanity from me, and I suppose saves sort of having explanations of what bodily angel means sort of thing that can it doesn't. And that's why you know, short hand, we can talk about the movie, it's a leader the movies, the leader, it's alita battle. If we ever want to tell him other story, and whatever format books publishing this. We can go. It's alita revenging angel. We can go to lead all those other titles. But you're just always leading with the constant instead of the constant being the following. And you have a much much bigger world hair to explore because we hear about a lot of things that we don't really see we keys. You know, we tease at different we tease her backstory, we tease Zalam, we tease that deserve something above olive, all all these things. But Kashir, oh has laid these all out in his body of work and. Oftentimes, you'd think about you know, could audience wanted could we do a sequel to X Y Z. Well, we come up with a story, we could if we come up with a place we could on a leader. You don't have to think that because it's all been laid out there for us elitist character Kashira develops over time it never stops evolving and changing and learning from experiences and Kashir oh story doesn't stay just on the streets of iron city. He expands his world in the graphic novels in ways that, you know, cinema could as well, I was gonna ask in terms of, you know, the beginning like how does she get on the dump DOE is that ever sort of answered in the COMEX because I'll have to say this guy. Right. You know, I think it's all part of her back story, and and the role that she played on Zalam because really what goes in the scrap yard is the garbage from the city above and iron city exists to. Apply alum with all of its goods and everything that goes up. They just dumped their garbage down below. And that's what makes us universal that that alita thinks of herself as that insignificant girl and someone in our lives, we've all thought of ourselves as insignificant, and my my mother is discarded me. My father's discarded me my boyfriend is discarded, my girlfriend, whatever whatever it is. But she finds the inner strength to rise out of that garbage heap and make a difference and find her, you know, her family her love her body, even in her purpose. Ultimately when she raises her sword. That's a challenge. I'm not gonna stand there and take it up. I'm coming for you. Yeah. That was a significant moment to end on because it is you've got the I guess the the problem with this sort of wider story like this is is then where do you end it? How do you strike that balance between? Leaving us wanting more and coming to an end. I look at it as life, right? We have chapters in our lives each one comes to closure. But there's that moment where you say. Okay. I've now graduated. And I'm moving on. And I'm gonna face the next challenge. And we're telling the story that's bringing alita to that moment of graduation. All right. Well, well, that seems like a moment to graduate for us as well. Thank you so much. Jason pleasure meeting. You. Okay. That was Jon Landau and nixed up is Robert Rodriguez. Also enjoy. Okay. So welcome Rodriguez cast. Thanks for joining us. This is film has been in the works for a very long time twenty years almost crazy. So you know, you I heard about I think at lunch with James Cameron. So was it we used to talking to him kind of as a fan of his work going? No. But seriously when are you going to make this? Yeah, I was asking him out. But as as a fan complete haven't been friends with him since before desperado evens with been a long time. But I would always check in on 'em visited sats. We both had very similar background starting very scrappy, you know, no budget type movies, but he went into the stratosphere with stuff that he's making. So I was always. The kid brother looking around saying, what are you doing? How you doing it? And and but that was just a question of as a fan. He was showing me all his art work from the next avatars showing me what he was going to be up to for the next for SIA belong future in. I got a little distant heartened. Go will vote does that mean for battle angel? When what am I going to see that movie? I saw that announced in two thousand two thousand one that said it was his next movie. So he said, I guess on ever get a chance to make it. But doing to see what I what I've done on it. I didn't know he had done work on it that it was just got the property. So yeah, it was a chance to get at least a peek at it. So I'd have some visual in my head. That would be, you know, second place to getting a movie from him, and he had tons of stuff. He had a whole art real where it's kinda narrated art real where you see all the paintings that he did for the movie, but done cut together, she'll be like that for avatar before he did avatar has narration talking about what the movie is kinda talk through about ten to fifteen minutes. And it was stunning immersing her with the manga is and the large the large is in the scrolled arm, and oh, she was going to do a CG full CG person back in two thousand five don't even done that today. So, yeah, he he gave me the script and said, you know, I never I never figured out. It was too long, and I never quite cracked it. But hey, take it home CV like it and shit. If you can figure it out you can make it just kind of half joking. Well, let me go check it out. I'll read it and read loved it just thought it was it was shocked me, actually. 'cause when I first seen the nouncement he was gonna make it a picture of him as a picture of alita. Okay. He doesn't usually adapt of the people's things he writes, his own scripts away. I wonder what he sees in it. But then I saw cable she's a Sifi Karrada scifi world. She's a cyborg. It's a strong female character. Atkins can kind of see what he's doing, but you know, anime mangas scifi films particular. Tend to be somewhat cold. And that didn't seem like, you know, he's he always finds a warmth that I wonder what it was in there. When I read the script, I saw it. It's like, oh, this is a very universal story doesn't have to play all over the world like is other movies do and it's mostly about the characters first. And then, you know, who makes a movie grade as a mix of truth and spectacle. No spectacles, why go to the movies with the human truth is what the audience takes home with them and that had that in spades in. So I would love to work on this. I I'll try cutting it down, and that's how we got to go and he loved my edit of it. I ended it down without cutting out his favorite stuff, which I was like, very careful not to cut any of the character and story ports and just cut extra action combined some characters kinda surgically went in there and took out the stuff that I thought he really wouldn't miss that. Other people might think he would think other people might say, oh, he's about spectacle, leave that in. No, he's he's more about the heartened story just for me. No in so long. So that help that I just knew him. Really? Well, was he kind of around a lot like if you wanted advice or something or is? He was very helpful wasn't able to be there a lot because he got that off his penis had a lot of stuff to do for the avatar movies. So he knew he could lead me to it. And really wanted me to make my own but me make it in my own was really Eddie wanna take this. Great script ahead now Goff, make a rubber driest movies. Lots of those. I wanted to make the missing list J McCarron movie. That's there's a there's a, you know, a rarity of. And so I was constantly asking him how he would approach it. And he said well for me, you know, best advice eating was even commute. Vice who told me is philosophy because my stuff's very whimsical. 'cause I used to be a cartoonist, but he was an illustrator. So he doesn't you know? So you said for me, you know, science fiction fantasy in particular have to be really grounded utterly real. Otherwise, the audience doesn't by the fantasy. You believe the alien Queen casino Gorny surreal because all the props everything. World feels so real. And I thought, wow, I have to change how I think movies. I can't shoot on the green screen like sin city and make look like among come to life. It's gotta feel like a really tangible world's I'll shoot real sets real locations real actors around your show, really biting orange, and then the effects company has to match her in which a lot of extra work for them. But it'll feel real and then really grounded with people like Christoph and Jennifer Connelly, Marsha, you know, really classical actors, and in just just take it up towards the level of what Jim normally does white feels so different from my movies because his script was so clear that he could see it. But I could see it to with his eyes. And and I wanted to see that movie really badly says I'm gonna help make that think of describing so he doesn't feel like he has to be there. But he could check in often as he wants. I could Email him a question. He'd sent back. A masterful answer there was like a film school. I mean, it was so great. That's awesome. As a couple of things I'm asking about that. Let's start with the casting his I mean, you've got, you know, relatively unknown Roseanne delayed like she's done. Some some great stuff in you know, the scorch trials and maze runner films and think she's in divergent as well. So she's a bit of a background with these films. But this is still this is a whole other level. This is all on hers techno technical challenge. But she's so great all disappear. The technology disappear with her you have a helmet on this whole sued backpack. And it would just be her coming through almost like neutralized or in a way. So she didn't have to worry about costumer or anything just be from the inside out playing the character, which is the best. And then how about like like, you said marshland, Jennifer and Christopher Rondo I mean, three Oscar winners kind of embarrassment of riches. And it's such it's so amazing to work with people like that whenever I've had like a actors of that caliber. I mean, you really can tell the difference. I mean, so well trained professionally help you so much 'cause they just they just know the job, and they can come in and effortlessly become someone else. They're always super collaborative. They love to be directed because they know that they are, you know, they've achieved such a status that sometimes someone might not want to direct them so much because they're little intimidated, and you just they invited there and they try to really break the ice. They know come tell me what you think I wanna I don't wanna just do myself. I wanna I wanna be pushed to try things and always helpful suggestions on how to combine this or this scene work a little bit better. So always really welcome to have people like them. And you've got some of your old collaborators in there as well. Jeff, and oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Jimmy worked with her to own avatar. So we both knew her. But that was like the first thing we said, we should get Michelle Rodriguez this for all we both love her. And she is she would be the sense eight to alita. She's so bad as is so funny. So she was great, Jeff. Yeah. There was a small role for like a cowboy cyborg, and I thought that artwork. Even kind of looked like Jeff Fahey Jeff in there. Jeff Jeff would show up with bells on always helpful. No matter what it is no matter how small roller bigger role. He's always right there. And cyborg dogs is something. I haven't seen thought you'd have some cool cyborg dogs round you that will look totally real like, they're really they're and they're fantastic. There's so many great details in the movie, the weather guys, just you know, are on a whole, you know, the talk about Oscar winner, Utah screen actors Oscar-winning, there's overly so effects company is just like with the actress they set the bar so much higher than you could ever set for them. So if they sent me a FEC shot. I would say, wow. That looks great. Maybe we should work on this corner of the mouth. Oh, we got forty other things. We didn't do this. We need to do this this this this this this this they set their own bar. They're trying to chief something far beyond what you could ever ask for. So that's like incredible. I bet us to that. At all. I'm always like battling with affects companies. Like, no, you're not finished. We gotta still fix. Okay. Well, at least fix that. You know, these guys do that on their own. They're still upgrading shots. Even when you're signed off a long time ago. They're like, no, we're not done. I was going to ask about just the the scale effects because you've always got huge effects experienced. But is it different? When you've got, you know, just such detail on someone's face, and so much so many characters with cyber is cyber parts that sort of shift, the kind of the focus of the effects for you. I mean, there's a lot of detailed for sure they did they said there's more detail in just one of her eyes. And there isn't all Gullam more polygons and detail and also the type of facts were doing. A lot of like in the movies. My stuff tends to be somewhat whimsical seen get away with certain things not with this. I mean, Jim is very much one where that arm doesn't look the wouldn't really move like that it wouldn't attach their the clouds will like that we need to redesign that. 'cause I don't buy pulls me out of the movie movie. I don't believe it. You know, so Dave affects hat to also look like it could work. So it wasn't just the great detail to just the the facade being it actually from an engineering level. You're talking about Jim is an engineer. So it has to pass that test as well. So yeah. With so much stuff to create you needed a team that was going to be just on it. And how about creating iron city as wealthy you built that basically in the back lot. Yeah. I got like ninety thousand square feet of iron city in my back in my in my parking lot evac in Austin, solarge, standing said and all of the United States most that's getting knocked down after movie rebuilt. It's alas. Like fifteen years, and you could walk right out of my office into iron city in Jim was even a little jealousy. Kind of jealous. They walk out of your office. Right. Into your set like this. I never I never had an office. I walked right into the main set, but was needed to be very tangible needed a few very real. So we had to build it. So that the actors were there they feel like they're in this real environment. Help makes it more relatable. What was the most difficult thing than for you to shape today? Was it was difficult scene? Dash they're all were challenge. You know, because it's always like made up of so many different parts. It's hardly ever. Just two people sit at a room. Sometimes it is. But even then every shot is an effect shot because she's an effect. So you have to keep that in mind. How are we lighting it? So that later on we're matching it into the lighting. She's well let we she has to be lit like a star. So have to think about that. And it was all but good challenges Amine. There wasn't anything that was a problem, or, you know, like super difficult to you had a great team to bounce ideas off of in health that I'd done all the jobs. So when I'm working with the DP or composer or the editor they knew I've done my own movies like that. So we can talk at that level. Like, what are you got back there? Ten Cain is put an eighteen k back there. Maybe something new air off of five and every like, okay? Speak the language, and you know, what they're you know, what their challenges are to you know, what the challenge of the job is. I'm gonna ask for shot that's impossible. 'cause I know you can't just go like this. You have to start. The whole thing's going to be flat. You know? So it really helped not to you know, to have done all his jobs. I wanted to talk, but some of the sort of story elements as well. So you've got this vast source material in the manga, how do you sort of nail down which bits, you you need to have you know, she starts off on the dump. And we don't know why we don't know how she got there. And there's no coming back to that and sort of explaining that any. You know, you could put maybe in a flashback or something Jim night talked about that so arena say why she was dumped Marie save that for another movie there some vacuum fort discussion on things that hadn't been figured out ninety five percent of it had been figured out. He'd already figured all of that out in his draft. That's what was such a great relief was that he had done that much work. That's what got me excited to it. I don't think I would have probably been as excited to do it. If he just handed me thirty volumes of manga and said, hey, so yeah, let's make this together and figure out a story. It was easier city those were short stories, and they're kind of self contained short story. So I just in. I'm like, I didn't know that there'd be a sequel. I was like I took all four my favorite stories in a one. Cram one movie couldn't do that with this. I I know I probably would have taken their approach of. Okay. Some book wants to some three and four and five and six and Jim was much more disciplined. He's like, no we have to create a character arc for this one movie. So there is. Another one it makes sense where to go from there. But if there isn't it's still just needs to be a complete story arc of characters. I'm only using books one and two and a little bit of four three. So I wi- that's really disciplined. So he'd already figured a lot of that out. There were some things still need to be figured that. He and I would just discuss in literally within a a seated conversation that put the tape recorder on we would go at it. And we'd have it by the end of that conversations. Under a sharp on the same sort of note in. It's maybe the same issues that the to kind of keep both the hunter killer aspect of her story, and that sort of quest to do that. But also this sort of flirtation with Motorola's, well, and then this interest in that. So I think some films would have chosen one or other was important to you to kind of keep both both in fact he'd done a draft after that with another rider where he taken out the whole hunter Royer aspect of Edo. And I read his first draft where he was the hunter warrior, and I was an I said, you know. Yeah, it saves time. But then he becomes just Japan. Who's just worried about her all the time, and you know, becomes a third wheel. So that's not that great of a character me having children. I know as a father that that a certain point your kids kind of have no use for you pretty early on didn't really need you there. Just nagging them the best relationship, you can have is where. You actually become a mentor, and they actually want to be with you because they want to learn from you, and that's what I loved about the first draft is that he was already turning into Japan, tow. But then she discovers that he's because he's dagger about can't do this. You can't do that. But then she's like, oh, he's a hunter warrior cool. Eight guys cool. I wanna be like you. And that's the best relationship. You can have with it. When the child is when you now their mentor and your teacher in not just their nag. And so I put that back in and people love their relationship. They watch the movies. Oh, we love the relationship between the most because it transforms from father daughter to mentor to then letting her go eventually so that was important to keep in the motor ball. Just brings lots of spectacles, we had to have that. And he found a really Kuwaitis audible thirty play the game. They're trying to kill her. So that's that's really exciting interesting that that is well, you've you've obviously worked hard to try and make it look different from, you know, roller bowl over or any of the kind of scifi games. We've we've seen before. Yeah. And but also was like in the manga. I mean who knows me because you're an estimate was was a fan of the movie Rollerball or something? But how he drew it in he draw these little speed lines to show how fast they're going. So I would show that to wet and go see this is drying from the book. Look how fast it's it feels as being conveyed just with the straight lines going across her head. We have to be really fast like one hundred miles an hour. But repair have to cheat it and do more like two or three hundred miles an hour to really feel the speed. And beg really exciting. Tell me about the decision. Not to show Salem because I think that's really interesting again in the low to kind of scifi films where there's been a sort of utopia dystopia divides. You spend a lotta time in both really. We don't seen it from their point. It's all about how you see the world. Right. So that scene is is a big, you know, in the is always very important, the medics to the movie so this world that they live in the world. We live in they authors. Think it sucks, you know, everyone wants to get out of their Q is trying to ask your trying to get out. Nobody wants to be there. But then this girl arrives from from dumped from above. No memory of who she was she sees it the lens, she sees everything through with real beauty in awe than the audiences at through horizon to the audience. I don't think even knows what would assess pull this places. I because they're seeing it through her eyes, which is wondrous an amazing, and she changes everybody that she. Meets with that viewpoint. And that's kind of a really cool theme is like, yeah, we can look at this world like it's just a terrible place. Oregon's realize it are how we see it. And how he looked at it. No. But it can be so wondrous is how it should be. Instead of how it is that that can actually change the world that of thinking, and that's what she becomes a catalyst for change throughout. And it's gonna keep going that way. So we wanted her to see the world we wanted the audience see the world through her eyes and through and through the eyes of everyone down there, which wouldn't give you a privileged look up there. You would be always looking at it from underneath wondering what is up there? And so, yeah, it's kind of a drum roll into the greatest drummer into the next movie is you don't even go up there. And this you see her targeting it. But she's not up there yet. So you know, where it would go in another story. But I don't think that's a cop out for me. It's like that's crates. What I call story value. You know, a lot of movies that is in mariachi. He doesn't become the guy with Qatar case Fulla guns until the last scene in the movie in spy kids. They don't actually become spies to the last scene in the movie in this. She only finally figured out who she is in remembers and has a target of what she's gonna do in the last scene of the movie. And so even if there isn't a sequel, the audience can imagine more movies because they have a character who had a complete arc, and you can imagine more ventures with that character. And if there is then it's very easy to continue. Now next time we're gonna go up there. And then we'll see it, and we'll be glad we didn't spoil it. And that's the other thing. That's just the technical challenge of movie like this, even if we decided to go up and see it for one or two shots, it'd be wrong 'cause we'd probably have to change it completely in the next movie. 'cause we spend more time if there then we would do the Indian the money expensive, take design a whole other city. It's not worth it to do it for one shot. But also, story wise, it it. It's not worth it so worth it. We have one connection with that. And that's. Nova not I believe I'm not the first to say this. But he felt it was James Cameron for a minute. I really did. Got the white hair. That's the white here from the manga. Then if you look a little closer that you see. Nordin him side by side. They both have a long nose, but other than that, they don't really look alike, but at first because the Jim Carey movie, and we don't say ED's in the movie is not in the credits that yeah, you think that, but I also liked at and we both knew Ed very well personally. We'd never neither one of us have worked with him before. But as one of the reasons we picked him when the reason I picked him because he does remind me of gym in some ways, not not feature wise, but he's really a smart guy and be so smart that that's the kind of person that would be Nova Nova as you'll see in the manga, you know, even even though he's he's not really the Vilis the tags to her. But you'll see that you know, he has many sides to him. He pulls a lot of strength goes a lot of strings also very Spartan smarter than anyone around your that is Jim in a way is more than anybody in the room. Always. But yeah, he conveys that sort of intelligence and mastermind, and like, oh that's a real threat because he's he's really smart see wanna get someone like that. Even if it's just for one to one jazz like we have we have to show him. So we know who the tagging it's find somebody that if we did make more you'd be great in that in that movie, and in that would would even agree to be something just for a few seconds. So that was that was we both know when you trust us enough to be part of it. He was great. He's been does. What is just to go back to what you're saying about a leader changing everyone that she comes to coincide with maybe one of the people's changes. Most is is Hugo. So was he always going to die was always an important part of kind of her development. And and of the story in the way, Jim Gibb's version of it was really important for sure it happened that way in the manga too. But he was a different kind of character. He kind of always had his eye on the sky. He was going to go up there. No matter what he didn't really care about her as much in the manga version. But yet it looks right out among for crazy. That's the thing that blew me away the most new visual effects for that sequence. It's like when are we film that we were never filming that it was just just shooting him on on a Macapa green screen actually just for to get his head because he has a cyborg body that point when I saw the finish wetter shots and looked like we were there on location, and it's I could see why Jim likes to make these kind of movies. You create images that that you can only see in your dreams when you see them. It takes your breath away as if you're the audience, I feel. More like an audience member on this than a director more in this movie than any other movie because it was stuff that festive facts come in. I was would take my breath away. Like, I was an audience for the first time. But yeah, that was that was an important story point is that she had to experience. I mean, she remembers who she was by the movie, and she was a bullet fired from gun. That's all she was was a warrior. She had no attachment to people. She didn't know what that was. So her growing up like this was a chance at a second life. Having a father meeting avoi- fallen in love understanding. She can't go back to being a warrior after that. So when she goes forward and life, she's got this life experience. She before she was supposed to take down zone which would killed everyone down there. She didn't hesitate. So now, she would hesitate because she knows what that means because she's lived there. So she had to kind of have love and lose it in order for her to go onto the many many many chapters of her life. This was just one chapter. Part of that continues. 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Baron Franz Nopcsa

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Baron Franz Nopcsa

"You have a one in two chance of having prediabetes or diabetes. We can take steps right now to beat the odds. It's baritone day Thurston. And on this episode of spit. I sit down with Tim McGraw Tracey Brown and Julia who to get the scoop on what we can do right now to live healthier lives. The things that you can concrete. We do every day that can help you move forward with your health creates a ripple effect and the rest of your lives. Spit is an iheartradio podcast with twenty three. And me. Listen to the latest episode in the iheartradio app or wherever you get your favorite shows. Welcome to stuff you missed in history. Class a production of I heart radio. How stuff works? Hello and welcome to the podcast. I'm Holly fry and I'm Tracy Wilson. And today, we are talking about a fascinating Jim who story I stumbled across while looking for something else entirely. As is often the case with me, I'm on one track. And then I go, ooh. Assess shiny object. And then I'm on a whole other track. He's very complicated and complex to look at it and kind of figure out who he was. He's baron FRANZ. Nope. Cia who lived from eighteen seventy seven to nineteen thirty three. And he was Transylvanian he identified dinosaurs. He inserted himself into Albany, and politics and became a scholar on and he wrote volumes and volumes of books and papers. And he was one of those people that led that sort of adventurous scholarly life that only in aristocrat of his time could have managed bypassed, most formal education. And so he was funded in all of these efforts by his family money. It wasn't as though he was doing it to make a living. He was just living in pursuing his interests. And he was definitely a man clearly who had and took advantage of his privilege, although he did alternately lose it. I also have to give you a heads up listeners that this episode contains gun violence and suicide I feel bad because I know I had to put similar warnings on several episodes lately, I swear I am not doing that on purpose. It's always like the thing. I find out late in the game. And they go oh, man. But that is near the end. So if you would like to listen to most of the show, but maybe not get that you can tap out. If you just leave after our second and break because it comes after that. So if you just missed that last segment, you won't get any of that. So he was born on may third eighteen seventy seven in the shell Transylvania, which is now the city of Deva Romania at the time. This was all part of the Austro-Hungarian empire. And as highly noted earlier, his family was wealthy. His mother Matilda was from an aristocratic family. His father Alexis was the vice director of the Hungarian Royal Opera. Fronts was the first of three children for the two of them. And as children of a pretty wealthy family. He and his siblings were well educated. They all spoke, multiple languages and the family wasn't just wealthy. But also, very well connected. His uncle was well known in the court of Austria and was a favorite of empress Elizabeth, and that connection was pretty helpful maybe even pivotal in FRANZ life, and when FRANZ was still a teenager his sister brought him something that would shift his life significantly because it sparked what has often been called an obsession on Franz's part. I Lona the sister had found some sort of animals go on a riverbank while she had been out for a walk. And she thought her older brother might help her figure out. What it was? There is an alternate version of the story that you will sometimes read which involves local peasants bringing his sister alone of the skull. But regardless of which of those is accurate it did pass from her to her brother and make him very curious. Indeed that was the same year that he was starting. Some studies at the university of the Yeta. So he decided to bring it to one of his professors there Edward Seuss for dedication. They didn't get the help that he was looking for though, initially seemed kind of intrigued by this whole thing, but he lost interest. And instead the professor told eighteen year old FRANZ he needed to do his own legwork to figure out what he had and nokta did exactly that. Yeah, he returned to his family's castle. And he basically set up his own little research center there. There were a lot of books already available to him in the family library, and from those he gave himself a foundational knowledge in geology, physiology, and anatomy, and then he started reaching out to various scholars asking for more research materials. So that he could continue his self education. And then he started his own amateur excavation site on the riverbank or that skull had been found. So he was an amateur, but he was doing meticulous work. He found a number of other fossils as he was dig. Ding. And he started applying the things that he knew about animal physiology to the things that he found he was reconstructing the anatomy of what it turned out worse seventy million year-old dinosaur bones from the late MRs oik era for the next four years. He worked on figuring out not only the anatomy of the species that he had accidentally come across. But also its reproduction and its behavior, and he did this once again by comparing things he found like nests to the nests of existing animals to try to figure out where they were parallels, and where there were differences, and because of this work, he's considered one of the first paleo physiologists in eighteen ninety nine FRANZ. Nope. Joe was ready to show the scientific world what he had been working on. So he went to the Austrian academy of sciences, and as a twenty two year old with no formal scientific training beyond like, his basically the equivalent of high school. He offered up a lecture that both wowed and insulted the scientific community. It seems that the combination of youthful confidence and having worked outside of academia on his project made. Nope, chick completely comfortable telling well known scientists that they were doing it wrong. He also doled out some praise along the way, but in a really condescending way. So again, he was twenty two and at one point he mentioned that the Belgian paleontologist Louis Dolo was really doing quite well for his age. It was like, oh you've contributed so much despite how young you are in. This is a man in his forties. So Dolo we should also say had been in charge of the dig site where one of the most famous iguanadon finds in history took place at this point. But it was obvious to everyone present that he was brilliance. He actually had come to some well-founded conclusions. His late Cretaceous dinosaur was called the Tel modest Soroush, Transylvania Kaz. It was the first of dozens of species that he would identify over his career that first dinosaur. He identified was little at least in dinosaur terms. It was no bigger than a crocodile, which I suppose if you came across it in the wild might seem like a big animal compared to you Regina sort not so much several other species he found in that same area were also relatively small a theory started to circulate in the scientific community that Nope Jay had somehow found only juvenile specimens. But he did not agree with that assessment. And he worked really hard to disprove it. To that end. He started among other things microscopic examinations of the bones that he had in cross section cutting very thin slices from his samples to do his work and from these he was able to determine that the dinosaur specimens he had been working with all along had been adults. His hypothesis was that the area near the river had actually been an island during the Cretaceous period. And the limited environment had also limited the size of the animals that lived there. And this was something that he called island theory. The idea that was that fewer resources meant that smaller animals able to survive while larger ones couldn't sustain their size with the food sources. So the larger animals would die off if that's how similar it is. And we'll talk about that a little bit at the end of the episode. But next up we're going to talk about kind of the next phase of noches life, which takes an interesting turn of a first we're going to hear from one of the sponsors that keep stuff you missed in history class going. -nology truths. Brought to you by Geico. Truth. You will certainly send any text about your supervisor to your supervisor, let's rats Janet's fangs did she lose a bet. With a weed whacker? Oh and Sint, wait. No, no, no, no, no truth. It's so easy to switch and save on car insurance at geiko dot com. Janet, I think my phone was hacked or something. Go fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percents or more. In his early twenties. Franz? Nope. Show was making waves and paleontology, but he was also shifting his scientific curiosity to other subjects during this time. It wasn't abandoning dinosaurs. But he was just becoming interested in other things as well. Specifically, he decided that he wanted to study the tribes of the Elbe Nian mountains, and this was a subject he learned about from Transylvanian count named Louis dress Vic that he was close with and the two men may have been romantically involved, though, that's not entirely clear with money from his uncle who was an Austrian court FRANZ mounted his first expedition into the mountains of Albanian in nineteen three early on in the trip. He did some bird hunting, and he shot several birds this earned him reputation as a good shot and that helped him with some of his relationships with the locals, although there was a lot of danger in this undertaking, including some attempts on his life and his uncle both kept his trip a secret from Franz's parents eventually after he came back from the trip. They. Clean. But they didn't really know that he was going to do this. And this kind of trip obviously is something that he could not have done on his own Hetty not been from wealthy family with an uncle willing to fund it. But that connection to his uncle and then his uncle's connection to the highest levels of power in Austria, Hungary, at the time actually shifted his fortunes in a slightly unexpected way FRANZ made numerous trips into Albany after nineteen o three and the funding for them eventually shifted from coming out of his uncle's pocket. To coming from the empire itself because. Nope, Shah had been recruited as a spy the area where he was conducting his research trips was right between the empire and the Austro-Hungarian empire. So it made sense to make his work which involved mapping the area in studying the culture into an official but secret effort on the part of the government. Yeah. This is obviously we'll talk about it a little bit more kind of a time of destabilization in that area. And so. The Austria, Hungary, authorities thought like, hey, you would be really beneficial for us to know exactly what's going on in this this stretch of land, and he's already making the map. So if we pay for these trips, maybe he can just share his notes with us. So that's what he did. And on one of these trips FRANZ meta man in a mountain village named BuzzFeed Doda any hired him to be his personal secretary. The two men were very close. They were together the rest of their lives, and they probably were romantically involved notion named one of his discoveries and upper Cretaceous turtle species that he discovered after budget, and he wants wrote of Doda that quote, he was the only person who has truly loved me. We should really not play down the important role that budgets he'd Doda made. He was a scholar in his own, right? And from the time they met until they're far too early end, which we will get to later Nokia, and Doda travelled together. And while botches eat was supporting the array. Kratz work. He was also photographing and documenting the culture of the Muslim people of the upper rake valley, he wrote several books about the Bainian people. And this was a time of great instability in Albanian, the Ottomans had ruled Albany off and on the fifteenth century and was capturing in photographs and in words, the 'isolation that abeyance felt as they were cut off from the rest of the world in this whole geo political maneuvering of the Ottoman empire. You can find some of his photographs online, and they're really quite striking. I mean one when you consider like where photography was at the time. They're already really really interesting to look at. But he does a really nice job of capturing these moments in the lives of these people that are just trying to figure out their place in a world that is shifting around them very rapidly. But that they have very little say in their quite beautiful. So I recommend them during a trip in nineteen o seven FRANZ and BuzzFeed found themselves in a rather precarious. Situation. They had been sent to the home of a man named was stuff alita in the mountains of debris on the advice of an abbot that they had met Mustafa Lita was abandoned of some renown described by. Nope. Cha in his memoir as quote, one of the most desperately rubbers of Debray in all of Turkey at the time. And despite that reputation the two men did indeed set out to meet him at his home. They were welcomed, and they stayed for several days as guests and at first they were sort of delayed for leaving because of bad weather. But then as the weather cleared up Mustafa Lita kept coming up with other reasons to keep them there. You finally told them that they were his prisoners. He was demanding ten thousand Turkish pounds as a ransom for their return and another ten thousand if any of the dwellings of his people were damaged in any kind of a rescue attempt at one point stuff alita attempted to bribe budgeted to assist him in this whole plan by offering him two thousand pounds to betray his friend and budget, turn this down. Yeah. He basically went back and told FRANZ like, you'll never guess what? He just did told him the whole story. There is no there were no secrets between them then with stuff alita and the baron from Nokia discussed the situation and Nope. Just kind of made a deal, and he was given five days to decide who they should contact to get the ransom money during that time. He did manage to get a message out to the abbot who had sent him to the robber any told the abbot to send quote, five hundred armed men or opium and twenty men. Nope. Also, discussed the matter with one of Mustafa, litas attendance amend named elite who was displeased that their guests were being betrayed. So he's delete might be on his side and delete also wanted to work the situation to his own advantage in benefit according to his memoirs he and Aleve discussed three possible ways. This whole situation could go, quote, one was that was Duff alita would demand his ten thousand pounds mile friends and Turkish troops would arrive litas fam-. Lineage would be dishonored and everyone do massacred the second possibility was that we stopped alita would demand. Bim bash lick position for my release in this case, I would try to calm down. My friends would endeavor to keep Turkish troops out of Kelly's and negotiate with the authorities. The end result in this event was unclear the third variant was that stuff. Alita would take me to prison and turn me in as a spy? He would thus be amnestied by the government, and I would support his request for a Bemba sleek. Yeah. Also for that first auction where everyone would be massacred. He was including himself in BuzzFeed in it. He was like if this goes down, we're all gonna die, but maybe we can work out one of these other options. So for a little bit of additional clarity abyss leak is a military position roughly akin to that of an army major delete agreed to take these three possible scenarios to miss stuff alita to consider and even as they negotiated after this with Steph alita and his men. Men from Asia and buzzy Doda were making backup plans. In case. The talks broke down, including hiding a razor under a rug with the intention of killing a guard and escaping out the window using sheets and carpets to shimmy down from the high floor. So upon hearing these three options at first Moustapha Lita told his captives that he had captured them basically as a joke to see if they were weak, and he said that they could go free. But Nope, she thought that this was a trap, and he did not accept the offer the baron once again offered to campaign for the robber to get his military position. If he would turn them over to the Turkish government as a spy and stuff alita. Agreed. So as they rode into the city of presuring Mustafa Lita claimed that he had found no change in disguise as a local man along the trail and had captured this spy to bring him to the proper sorties. Nope. Joe was put into a prison cell with. He had been counting on two separate him from his captor. And meanwhile, Zied was also taken to prison. Was released per the terms of their agreement. And he was able to get a note written by Nokia to the consulate there and the consulates and help before long. This whole affair was over with Steph alita realized that he'd been outsmarted and headed back to his own territory. Buscemi's father had gotten word of the kidnapping and had shown up with a small army of men planning to kill Mustafa alita, but his son and not convinced him that he and has been could stand down during their travels FRANZ became well-known in the various areas, they visited he built up connections and friendships there, and he became fluent in several different Albany dialects he became so invested in the fate of Albanian that he supported the idea of a rebellion against the young Turks, and he actually saw himself as the abeyance potential leader in such a war effort. There is obviously a little bit of a white savior complex in play there. But he also felt he knew more about warfare, and the people they might be meeting than anybody else in nineteen thirteen the Albanian congress of Trieste was organized from. February twenty seventh to March sixth delegates from the various tribes of Albanian came to discuss their future as an independent nation and to petition the great powers to recognize their status this event and the politics surrounding it could be its whole own subject. But as it relates to baron, FRANZ, nausea, the great powers of the time, which were Austria, Hungary, the United Kingdom, France, Germany, Russia and Italy all headed mind that they would install a European as king and just suggested himself for the job feeling that he knew more about the area and its people than any other aristocrat that might be installed in a position of leadership. And indeed he really was recognized as the most knowledgeable candidate both by people in Albanian and by the rest of the assembly, but instead Germany's prince Vilma Vidh was established as monarch and at that point Notre declared that his Albanian was dead after this this appointment. Nope. Shah faced a whole different hurdle. And that was the loss of his family. Fortune during RA one he had resumed his spy work for Austria, Hungary, and he had run guns to northern Bainian tribes. He hit even headed up an Albanian division. But he was often really frustrated at how the government was handling things like occupation of Bainian. Territories the Austro-Hungarian empire collapsed in nineteen eighteen and notice homeland became part of Romania with that point his family estate was no longer his property. And we're going to talk about the last part of fronts. Nope. Just life in a moment. The first we will take another quick sponsor break. Listeners if you have not heard I'd like to tell you about a show called dressed the history of fashion with more than seven billion people in the world. Most of us have something in common, which is that every day. 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And starting in season, two, April and Cassidy answer your questions and their fashion history mystery Minnesota every Thursday, find dressed the history of fashion on apple podcast iheartradio app, or wherever else you get your podcasts. Hey, so as we come back just want to remind you that if you. He did are warning at the top of the episode about some violence. It's coming up, and you do not wish to hear it. This would be a good time to check out and we bid you but getting back to FRANZ. Nope. Joe while paleontology was becoming a more established science at this point as a self taught scientist with a reputation for being kind of eccentric. And even rude. It was pretty difficult for the baron who at this point. Remember had lost his fortune to make connections into the field that he had in some ways helped to pioneer in April. Nineteen twenty five nokta was offered. The position of director at the Royal Hungarian institute of geology. He worked there until November nineteen twenty eight he reorganized the institute which was a move that was seen as success, but he was never really happy there and his health was suffering at one point he was in bed for an entire year. He wrote extensively in his three years with the institute, though, he covered paleontology geography and analogy along with other subjects. And total. He wrote almost two hundred different words, and roughly a quarter of them were about Albany a- and its people and just health continued to the Klein in nineteen twenty eight he gave the opening remarks at paleontological society conference that he had invited to come to Budapest. But he was so weak at that point that he had to give his lecture from a wheelchair and in his mind. He believed that his career was basically over and that his lecture would likely be his last work. It was not he continued to write a great deal in the next several years, but he resigned from his job just a few months later, and he and buzzy I took a motorcycle tour of Europe starting in Italy until they ran out of money, and then they moved to Vienna on April twenty six nineteen thirty three FRANZ. Nope. Show was living in an apartment in Vienna. With budgetary Doda, and they had been living there together since he retired from his job at the geological institute and that day while lead was asleep notice the housekeeper away on an errand. And then he shot his sleep. Companion and then himself killing both of them. And Nope to this was clearly something he had been planning to do because he left behind a lot of envelopes for people like lawyers and whatnot. But he also left behind a note for the police in it read, quote, the motive for my suicide is a nervous breakdown. The reason that I shot my longtime friend and Secretary Mr BuzzFeed elmo's Doda in his sleep without his suspecting is that I do not wish to leave him behind sick in misery and without a penny because he would have suffered too much. I wish to be cremated this entire incident was described in detail in Vienna's new free press all the way down to autopsy. Details and Nope, Shas note, and it ran under the unfortunate incense ational headline, quote, bloody drama in the singer stress scholar commits murder and suicide quickly a lot of the scholarly work that Nokia and Doda had done was clips by the dramatic story of their death. And the two men were. Buried across the street from women other Doda was buried in a Muslim section of one of the NS cemeteries, and no chose cremated remains were interred in a vault and their burials were coordinated so that the two were placed in their final resting places at exactly the same time while Nokia had left a list of his unpublished work with a colleague named Norbert Yokel along with instructions about who to contact to have them published that publication didn't happen initially. They were financial issues and Jokela held onto the works. But was killed by Nazis in the early nineteen forties. The remaining manuscripts are in the Austrian national library. But some of what's believed to have been his most comprehensive writing on Albany has been lost a lot of his fossil work was actually retained because before his death. He had sold a lot of it too. I think the British Museum so it's still intact most of that research, but a lot of his L Bainian work that people think is probably some of the most important is. Completely MIA. We have no idea where it ended up throughout his life passionate and obsessive FRANZ. Nope. Jay had dealt with health issues, which are a little bit nebulous in terms of what we actually know about them. He was prolific in his work, but his efforts were often interrupted throughout his life by what he called shattered nerves and his mother told people at various times, even when he was an adult like she would kind of write notes to excuse him from things saying that he had a recurring illness. But she never really gave details about them. Even in his memoirs, he doesn't really detail his personal thoughts or feelings. It's kind of like here the things that happened. But he doesn't really discuss the personal aspects of those those experiences at all as a consequence. It's still something of a struggle for historians to really get a sense of what no-show was like the person even as colleagues at the time described him as enigmatic and hard to read he was really passionate about his work. And he could be generous with his research. He didn't seem like he. Was seeking fame. But he did think he was way ahead of most other people, and he was prone to mood swings which could make him very unkind to the people around him. Yeah. There have been a lot of theories put force about what exactly was was his problem in terms of mental health. But those are always tricky as we've discussed many times on the show to diagnose somebody postmortem as a a whole messy thing, particularly for someone who's just doing a casual assessment from a historical standpoint rather than someone who's actually trained in psychology. But in a paper on notions work written by David B, Y, Chappel and wolf Ernst rife, the writers make a really nice point about how privilege and a lack of formal education kind of robbed. Nope. Shah of his ability to turn a critical eye to his own work. And perhaps consequently learned to moderate his behavior they wrote quote yet to characterize Noce as arrogant is to overlook the obvious problem of combining in one person, a high level of intelligence and creativity. Not. Often tempered with the ability of self criticism. Nope, just studies. Tectonic geology of Lucien airy biology, paleo biogeography and sexual damore fizzle prove his ability to intelligently discover problems and solve them in remarkable ways. The inability to criticize his own work acted both against and for Nokia against because of outlandish and easily falsified ideas, which he presented on paper and four because he excelled at assembling disparate ideas into new frameworks a lot of his ideas that were met with scepticism while he was living have come to be pretty widely accepted in the years since his death. For example, his idea that the area known as hot zig had been an island during the Cretaceous period has been supported by additional research over the years has island theory about limited resources causing dwarfism in species is now known as the island rule, although it's credited, and it's more formerly detailed form as Foster's rule which. Has named for a biologist j Bristol foster wrote, a paper establishing ninety in nineteen sixty four and social castle, the family home of FRANZ Nokia has fallen into ruin and it has through historical conservation efforts then placed on a list of cultural heritage sites in Romania with the intended the government will provide financial support for restoration and upkeep, although those funds have actually been slow to materialize. So it is still in a pretty sad state of disrepair at this point. Do you have some listener mail to take out today? I do and it is not sadder scary at all it is from our listener, David, and I thought it would be fun to do a funny mail after what it's kind of a sad end to an interesting life. He rates highlight as I finally had to Email you not because I have some great moment to share or some additional point to add to one of your great episodes, though, someday. Hope I get that chance. I am now one of your listeners who've listened to the entire library. Is there a club for this? The sad thing about doing. That is now I have to wait for the next episode. I spent the last two years listening to your podcast only. I guess I can now add some more the others will be happy. I look forward to maybe seeing one of your live shows when the opportunity arises, I hope you do I wanted to share a few points about your podcast that maybe you already know. But I thought they were interesting at least to me one. It is amazing. How close we may have come to the history stories you've told being born in nineteen sixty three I may have been alive just after person died or just before an event or some similar time issue to the growth changes length of your whole show. Very nice three. I'm always amazed at your research skill. I envy you in that ability. I will laugh at interject my own thing of like, I don't know. I feel sloppy about it sometimes for love your effort to show people the history of some political issues, especially for this past presidential election. It's amazing how similar some issues of Ben throughout history. Racism, religion, sexism. Kc? I really hope your podcast opened some is. But either way I appreciate it. And then he gives us a little request a couple of requests, actually. And he says thanks again for a wonderful podcast in the many hours of enjoyment you provide. Okay. So I did not read this for self-aggrandizement. Even though it is a lovely lovely compliments. But his thing about a club gave me an idea, which we will get to work on which is that we should have a t shirt for that people can get in our T public store that says like I listen to them all or something. So we'll work with designers out, but it's such an obvious thing. And I hadn't thought about it. 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Ep. 505 - Alita: Battle Angel (GUEST: Max Evry from ComingSoon.net)

"Flash. Hello, everyone and welcome to the slash film cast. I'm David Chen. And with me are into hardware. Jeff cannot and joining us today for this episode is a senior editor at coming soon dot net. Mex- every welcome to the slash on. How you doing today? I'm doing good. Yeah. I I'm senior editor have the AARP card to prove it. Nice. Well, welcome to the show for the first time. It's great to have you on and you can find more episodes of this podcast slash on Castile comical Email us from cast Jimoh dot com. Today's going to be a little bit of it abridged episode because we're going to spend the entire thing. Talking about Robert Rodriguez's newest film alita battling. Joel you told me the story of the war when the ground shock sky. The ones that survived. Walk to a different world. By the powerful freight. But that's not the way it has to be. When I found you. You're very human brain was miraculously. It's the loneliest feeling that to know who you are. That was from the trailer for alita battling Jovan use film by director Robert Rodriguez. And I'm going to be the plots from an action packed story of one young woman's journey to discover the truth of who she is and her fight to change the world. So this is guess and development to our I seem to recall that for over a decade over a decade over a decade. You have been wanting to see this story on this for over two decades. I've been wanting to see this movie because we know Jan James Cameron had the rights to this since the nineties since he actively working on it for a long time to this is this is his same like work philosophy with avatar. Just it takes a couple of decades. But we'll get there. So this is based on the graphic novel by you took Shiro and the screenplay is credited to James Cameron, alita color, Greece. I think butcher that. And Robert Rodriguez. And it stars Rosa Salazar. Crystal walls, Jennifer, calmly, Marshall, L E and bunch of other extremely talented people. And so I'm actually going to start with you doing right? He's just start with guest. But I'm gonna start with you. Because you're probably the person have been waiting longest for this film. Probably. Yeah. Was a battle angel worth the wait in your opinion. All I would say I'm not this appointed. I had a lot of fun with this movie. It's not a perfect movie. But in terms of like anime adaptation 's we have seen many most recently goes on the shell which was just a shell of like what made that you know, property, so great. And so interesting it was that movie was like completely Solis. And I don't think this one has that problem. Yeah. Had a ton of fun with it. I think a lot of it really works. Specifically, Rosa Salazar is great in this role in the technology. They're using to create alita. I think is phenomenal. It is an upgrade over what they were doing for avatar except here. Like, it is she's playing what's the sensibly? Like a human looking person. I think I in this movie. I I had trouble. Remembering that, this was a CG person? It feels like a milestone for this technology. It was good in appetizer. I think mainly. Like, these big blue aliens, kind of coexist with humans, and that look cool realistic here. It's almost like she's replacing a human. I found that kind of fantastic. She's great. I love the Chris false performance. There's so much here. This movie looks amazing. I know you disagree with a lot of the state. But I love the way this world is build up the vipers everything thing the office. The opposite is and that's how I feel about the movie, but continued to grow don't mean to interrupt. There's so much going on here. Like this world is actually built out it feels alive like it's a place where people actually live compared to like what we saw with goes to Michelle, it feels the honestly a lot like Mexico City or something which that's just Robert Rodriguez giving us his, touch, I guess, and I you know, he's back to doing like decent action. Like, you could actually see what's happening. I think it was pretty exciting and interesting there several set pieces throughout this movie, and they're all really interesting and unique in their own ways. We'll get into some of those spoilers. But yeah, I was never bored during this movie. I don't think. Yeah. The dialogues not that great. It's certainly not a perfect script. And I think they could have done more certainly with the boyfriend character. And I think like wrapping around like whatever theme they're going for. It's trying to be empowering movie. I think it kind of feels that way. But it's not like, you know, it's it's not perfectly well done. I still think speed racer and also like a. Which McCall it edge of tomorrow is also Mangga at tation. This were the two best adaptations we've gotten so far, I think this was pretty much. They're like, I think they did pretty good with this cannot wait to hear what you hit about though. Dave appreciate that. So mex- every you actually have a chance to visit a set of leader battling. Does that? Correct. Yes. That is correct. Yeah. I wanna be very up front, right? From the beginning. I was very much wined and dined by Twentieth Century, Fox for this severe for your opinion is valid. Thank you in. Void completely. Yes. It's. But it's. Just like Devender. I have actually been waiting for this movie for a very very long time. I think since it was announced in the mid two thousands in. I've seen the VA. I've Lovie some of those people don't know. Yeah. The original video animation. Gotcha. Yeah. And usual enemies like really short because it's based on a much longer manga series. Yeah. Yeah. It's only about sixty minutes long. But I think what's really what I really enjoyed about this movie is it all goes back to something that I heard onset, which is when Jon Landau was giving us a tour of troublemaker studios in Austin, Texas. He showed us this elevator and chill maker studios is a is a two is a two story building. And there's an elevator that goes from floor one to four two, and he said that like, you know, every day he would see Robert Rodriguez going onto this elevator to go one flight up, and he would say, Robert, you're like a fit guy like why are using this elevator? And Robert Ramirez said I paid for it a money use it. That in a nutshell really summarizes what road red Rigas has been up until now like he's been very kind of scrappy DIY, filmmaker he shoots everything he scores. Everything edits everything he production designs, everything himself. You know, the the productions are very fast most of his movies were under a year from beginning to end, and you know, like an on this movie, you know, James Cameron, and Jon Landau, basically said like, you know, we want you to make James Cameron movie. And then surprise in rather than like sort of saying, no my own guy. Robert has like no I wanna make a James Cameron movie too. That's why I wanna make this. So like what you're seeing is Robert Rodriguez a like an actor trying to, you know, a do a character. You know, he's he's trying to mimic, you know, Cameron. And his intense perfectionism, and is intense attention to detail on the end, the, you know, the very long, you know, a meticulous production process that Cameron goes through not only that. But he's you know, he's aping a lot of Cameron's themes. And I mean like what you want beam? He keeps going back to again. Right. Like this thing. Yeah. Trip for me, like the quintessential James Cameron seem is some sort of the other whether it's an alien or a machine or something just showing humans how to be more human, and, you know, whether it's in the Ellian and the abyss or the Arnold Schwarzenegger character in Terminator two or you're in July's. Yes. Or the wonderful blue creatures have ITAR, you know. So like, it's, you know, they're they're all the Jim Cameron has a very kind of, you know, deeply kind kinda cynical take on humanity, which is the prize into like, he's the most successful filmmaker in the world because it's like, you know, just looking at avatar avatars literally a movie about a human negating humanity at the end like he's east relinquishing his humanity. And and basically saying, you know, we're all pieces of garbage, and and this movie too. You know, the the character that Rosa Salazar plays which again, I agree with Davinder. Like, this is a huge technical breakthrough. Like, I mean, this is like, you know, I'm sure like five years down the road will look back on it in a very primitive. But for me now, like, I've never seen something that like skews, you know, so humanoid, and so real, you know, that the felt like, you know. I I never was taken out of the movie, you know, or never got that uncanny valley itchiness, you know, it's it's really in the is there's so much I work in this movie. And I thought that would be distracting or something. And I it kinda worked it kind of brought me into the character in a way. Yeah. I'm I'm sure if ensure Margaret Keane saw this movie, she would come so hard. She died. But you know. Yeah. To go. If you gotta go, I guess gotta go. Yeah. Of all the is. Nobody like, she's she's a character who, you know. She's she's kind of discovering in in ways almost like a superman character, you know, she's she she falls from another place, and she's taken in by kindly, parental figure and sort of taught to do the right thing and becomes a champion of the people. It is very much superman type of mythos being carried through here. I think you know, it's cool to see character onscreen that you know, has decency. But he's also flawed is also like she's a teenage girl. She's you know, she makes mistakes, and she's ruled by her emotions, and she's you know, she it's it was cool to see, you know, there's the this great scene of that. I think really encompasses. What what why I really dug the character, which is where she? Sneaks in through the window of her would be boyfriend Hugo played by Keanu Johnson. She sneaks through his window and his kind of like almost stocking him and the next and then she was weird, right? She takes her heart out of her own chest and hands. And then like, yeah. An she literally looks crazy. She looks crazy. I don't think it's like, I don't think it's a mistake. You know? I don't think it's like, oh, the film makers didn't know like that. She looks crazy in the know like she's a teenager like she's like a little nuts feeling. She's feeling everything. Like at maximum volume, basically -actly and to. Yeah. It's funny to you were fan of the movie like that, you it was worth the wait for you. Yes. Yeah. I mean, I'm I'm not going to even though I was heavily wind died. I'm not going to ignore the fact that it's an imperfect film. It has some some deep flaws specifically in in terms of the way, it skips sort of skips ahead. You know, it feels like there's big gaps, you know, in in terms of her. Evolution is a character. Like seems to kind of go from from being, you know, a teenager. Grohl to wind to be bounty hunter into wanting to be a sports figure, and it's like, it's it's it's a lot to to take in. There are many many characters probably too many characters probably some that could have been folded into each other. And it does lay a little bit too much pipe for a sequel that let's be honest is probably not going to happen. But you know, beyond that, you know, I mean, I'm I am also looking forward to hearing. Dave skier skewer? Goes for everybody. Good good. So it sounds like it was worth the wait. You guys both enjoyed it. That's great to hear. And I would say the humid- about Robert Rodriguez. I mean famously made El mariachi for seven thousand dollars, right? So he's off his body, basically. That wouldn't have been one day of catering on this show this movie. Yeah. I mean, this movie had a budget that is approximately twenty eight thousand five hundred seventy one times the budget of Elnora achieve could make twenty eight thousand five hundred seventy one L mariachis for the price of one alita battling. Joel. And I will say this that I do think probably be an equal length. This that. That I do think that in terms of the film making style. This certainly feels like more of James Cameron movie than it does a Robert Rodriguez movie. I mean, I think could you if you show me this movie and said who directed this James Cameron Robert Rodriguez. I would've said James Cameron, right? Not not knowing anything else. So I do think that style transference was complete. And if it was his goal to kind of immerse himself in this style filmmaking. He did a good job there. But Jeff Canada. I am so eager to hear what you have to say about this movie. Well, Dave, I guess you could say my thoughts about this movie would best be summed up in the form of Limerick is is that really what you could say. Those is my question is that. Yeah. Okay. All right here. We go. There are elements enough to comprise an exciting enduring franchise. The digital lead is impressive. Indeed, just was my delight was as big as her eyes. Pretty good. Pretty good. Pretty good. Pretty good Lord Byron. Wow. If you don't listen to show, you should know the day forces us to have a limit and every show, and if I've heard he gets violent if that doesn't happen. So I'm just trying to prevent any any blood being. Thank you for for everybody. I will say thank you. I have a lot to say about this. Yes. There's a lot of cool in it. There's a lot of cool as these guys have already outlined. Very very well. The technology on display is astounding. It's also very disturbing to me, very disturbing. And I wanna talk about that. Is there some writing on the wall? You're feeling Jeff is looking behind you. And just like, oh, man. Yeah. De prospect. Yeah. You have a movie where literally every shot is in effect shot in this movie. I think there's a single shot this movie that's not an effect shot. And you guys talk about how it's it's a quantum leap forward from avatar. And we should we should kind of get into the nitty gritty about that. Which is that every time you see a. Nevi in avatar every time you see a giant blue person that has been performance captured that was done in a volume with the call volume in in in a. Climate controlled studio, where every there's no furniture, everything is sort of just the outlines of things and people are play acting. They have cameras and they're capturing all the angles, and they put them into a computer, and then they create the entire environment. They're in this movie. They did the same thing. They did performance capture for alita, but they did it on locations out in the world. So they shot they built sets. They went to places they shot the movie like you shoot movies, and then replaced the actress with a digital human that looked you know, that that had her her mannerisms and facial expressions. Exactly. And that is. Order of magnitude more difficult thing to do. And they did it, and I go why like what did we gain from that? It's it's very disturbing to me that what we got. We took an actress who looks like a normal human being, and we made her waifish -ly thin and with impossible features that humans don't have. Right. And I get it. She's a she's a robot. She's supposed to be a robot ribbit. But yeah, but we are very close to a place where every human being that we see in our media won't look like they do in real life. Need not need not beat resemble any attainable human ideal at all ever. And that's very disturbing to me. Very distraught. Very fundamental level. Like, it's one thing when you wanna have nine foot tall blue people in a movie, and it's like well. It would be really hard. Let's just do it digitally. This is we want her to be waif thinner and have bigger eyes than human beings can have. That's fucking weird. We're very close to just like, well, let's replace it with a just a better looking person or a person that you couldn't possibly ever be. But you wouldn't know that that's not a real person is just we're kind of really doing that with the age like debating that. We're all the marvel movies like Samuel L Jackson, the seventy year old, man. Now looks like he did in the nineties. Right. And that is just casually big deal. They're also they're also doing that to VIN diesel to get rid of his dad, bud. Second chin every I mean, not even film every television show has a budget of removing blemishes, and that's happening. Right. But this is the next progression of that where we can just cast people, and then the image that the audience goes home with is physically human whom humanly on attainable. I think it's a a threshold that we haven't quite gotten to yet that is. Very disturbing to me. I don't want to be like old, man. Get off my lawn. I'm just part of an old. But it really feels like it's it's scary for a trans humanism to get big Jeff because that is like the future. We're seeing people like augmenting themselves that is building up super-quick. And oh, yeah. Our media's going to kind of reflect that too. Well, there's going to be no reason to ever allow an image of yourself that isn't Snapchat filtered into something slightly better or slightly like we are already at the point where you don't have to ever take a picture of yourself looking like yourself, but it's going to get to the point now as very soon with deep fakes a lot of these things where you can put images out of yourself. That are always improved but improved not in like, I've got bunny ears in acute in knows. It's like improved where you can't quite tell that, it's improved. It's a it's an undiscovered country that I think is really scary and nothing to do with this movie. But it is a harbinger of this is. Existential do. Action. This sent you into like a negative spiral. But I still don't really know what you thought of the movie. Okay. So as I said, lots of cool in this movie technology that is standing world building that I found to be really interesting and fun. And I I wanted to see the Nixon crannies of this world, I loved the sort of costume design, which was like decidedly unalienable and unflattering it was like they were walking around in, you know, button ups and cargo pants and stuff like this. I just loved the art direction and design of this world. And there was a lot to dig into a lot of fun world building. I found this movie to be cold and uninteresting. I don't know if that's a function of technology. I hope it isn't it may be. But I found the relationships to be holy unbelievable. And really very frigid very there's like there's love. But it's it's it's like play acting at love. There's no actual chemistry. There's no actual sort of life blood pulsing through this movie. And there it's very long. I could take out forty five minutes of this movie. Every time anyone mentions motor ball should just have been cut out of this movie. No motor ball is not appreciate motorable the Padre sing of this movie. Which I actually really enjoyed. There is an action to there's an action sequence. That's all motor ball that is cool in someone's head, but never ever ever ever ever looks good. When it's done it is it's CG. And it's the reason people hate. CG it's like really executed a high level from the visual effects team. But what is asked of them. What is asked of them to put on screen will never ever look good because it's so far away from physical movement, we understand and know that even if they make it look, quote unquote realistic it's realistic to something we have no frame of reference to so it's never going to look, right? It's it just it just threw me out of the movie because now it's just this. I mean, there's so much CG. That's great. And there's these incredible cool action. Sequences Dave, you said that if you didn't know better, you would know that it wasn't a James that you would you'd have thought it was a James Cameron movie. I know that it's not James Cameron movie because the action sequences he's a master of action sequences this movie. Flirts with greatness with some of the action sequences, most of them don't understand their limits and don't aren't. Orchestrated in a way that crescendo the way James Cameron action sequences do there's running. Rodrigues's a very skilled filmmaker here. I just didn't feel it. I didn't feel the the emotional beats. That are supposed to happen inside action choreography to make me cheer and feel something as it was happening. It was just like sort of surface level, cool, and I feel like a lot of this movie surface level, cool. There's no I mean, it's ironic that you guys broke the heart beating thing because I feel like there's no beating heart in this movie. It feels cold if feels lifeless even though it is so much cool stuff going on in the look of things are awesome. I mean, I have a lot to say in spoilers. But I just feel like this movie was a missed opportunity, and there's so much good cool stuff that I liked it just is not a movie I'm gonna ever wanna revisit because I don't care about the character. I didn't fall in love with them. I mean, I basically agree with what we can move into spoiler. Soon because I think there's just so much more to discuss. But overall, it's this movie is disaster. I mean, I think it has four films worth of plot crammed into one film, and therefore none of the big moments that are supposed to land really land, particularly well emotionally what I mean now separate than the emotional moments. I actually think there are several moments in the movie that did take my breath away. Right. There are some moments of visual grandeur or just like the concept and execution of a moment. Was so good much of which Jeff has already been talking about like the design of the world. Particularly the way I don't I was not nearly as taken with the look of alita as dementia and max where I thought it just was squarely in the uncanny valley for me and the eyes did not look good to me. And I think it was very convincing. Every time. I saw her ripped me out of the reality of the film, which is by the way most scenes because he's pretty much every single scene in the movie, but. But I do think that what is great about the movie is Alitas interaction with the world around her like they made that it's clearly not a real person there because there is gigantic, but they made her interaction with the environment around her and with people are under extremely convincing. And that's amazing. Isn't it David started interrupted? It's amazing. Isn't it that I mean in my lifetime? I remember marveling at. Seeing you know Roger rabbit feel like he was actually touching something in the world. You know, how far we've come this whole level. It's like an order of magnitude higher difficulty and rapid looked a lot better than most of the CG interaction. We've seen like, yeah. We've come a long log way. Yeah. But and so there's very definitely some moments that really are incredible. Just a couple of from the trailers of this movie. There's a scene when she kind of starts realizing that she knows what do martial arts completely randomly, and then punches this mirror, and like brings her fist like a millimeter away from this mirror, and that's just like a breathtaking moment because it just shows that this person is so powerful and yet has so much control. And the way like that scene was conceived execute I thought was really very very nice, and there's a handful of those throughout the movie that I thought like whoa that really took my breath away. But beyond that. I think it's just tries to do way too much in one movie, and this too many characters not to keep track of but for any of them to have any kind of satisfying arc and so what happens at the end. Is it just ends up being like a movie that feels really ineffective? It makes no impression on me whatsoever. Emotionally. So I did not like it. And I think it is an unfortunate misfire for a film of this size in terms of budget and scope, I should really move into spoilers so much more discuss show, shall we move into spoilers starting right now for alita battle angel now for the sheep. But you funding because coats, they're not gonna see this. Come your video looking half be over. You don't move it to work it out of him dying Elliott. Won't too. All right before we start talking about all the issues we had with a spoilers. Let me just like there are a few things I can geek out about I really enjoyed. It was trying to be positive here. There was this moment when she's flashing back in remembering her past life, and she's like climbing this gigantic cable that's going up to the Sky City. Right. Yeah. And like, they're they send these rings down to like not people off, and that is super cool. And then like the cable like gets detached somehow, and then she looks down, and she sees massive cable just like taking out like a dozen buildings like in digital media, by the way. Dave, I did seem thirty of these pretty good like it's been a while since we had a really good three d movie. I saw this. Also, my first time in Dobie vision theater with and extraordinary. It looked amazing. And the brightness didn't go away, which unlike most other theatres, I've seen even I max. Yeah. I thought I. The fortune of seeing the weta digital in New Zealand where they did back every conversation with MAC. Yeah. No. But like that is like probably the greatest movie theater of ever been in an obviously that was like it's never going to look better than that. So, but I mean, obviously like cedars vary in quality, especially with with three D like, and there's issues with the with the brightness of the bulbs, and everything, and you know, so I I hope that people I would recommend to people to see this in three D. I think it is the first movie since Hugo that I would say that about I agree. It's it's really also completing like Cinemax language, I think James Cameron was trying to do with avatar that like his showcase for not just three D, but also like realistic blending of CG and trying to like make a movies feel more immersive. I kind of felt that quite a bit in this. So I was just gonna bring up a couple more moments that I thought were particularly impressive one of them. One of really weird thing of design really weird design element, which is towards the end of the film. Mm-hmm. You find out what going to the Sky City really means. Right. And it said, they're shipping the organs. This guy's lady. He opens his box, and it's Jennifer Connelly's brain and is in like nervous system in a box. And apparently, she still alive too. Yeah. That is one of the most horrifying visuals ideas. I've ever seen Phil right? It's the Senate the second. But it stays with you. It's like I'm literally like holding back gagging right now thinking about. This is a feature, by the way, our corporate overlords when they don't need our bodies anymore. They're just gonna yank brings out this is how we're gonna survive. This is how we're going to be that. It's exactly what they did to Kane in the rubber Cup to. But yeah, I. I think overall the the one of the things I was loving about. This movie was the sort of clockwork nature of all of the technology. It never felt up to a certain point. I kept going manage so great so many of these CG movies. They get to the point where like all this Nanno bots, and it can just morphine change. And thank God. This movie is all clockwork, and you see gears moving and stuff mechanical looks cool. And then she gets thing, and they're like, oh has Nanno Botts could change the shape. And I was like fuck. Very most of the movies very steam punk. Right. It's very lazy old skill. She she gets and that sequence where she just like walks into the water go to that spaceship is so bad ass. Agreed. Agreed very very cool. And so, yeah, it's not like the movie is completely without any redeeming features. I heard on Twitter this week, David Chen. It's it's been a little harsh on Twitter, but barroom fights I will say is a really fun that piece even if like it's not grounded as as much character as it should be. But just like the action is good. It is kind of bunkers Jeff Fahey with the dogs. Just like hanging out like, oh, yeah. This movie it just does so many crazy things. I'm sure it like got chopped down from whatever like a production lengthy we were originally going for but like it feels super edited. But for me like I'm looking at this as like an animated adaptation. And this movie is an anime ass movie. Let's let's kind of what I have to say, you know, that is not right for everybody. I'm not surprised that you didn't click with much of this. But I think for the bold ideas of and like the idea of like a young girl, basically fighting everything like trying to save the world you're trying to save her world. I grew up with this stuff. And I think this reflects a lot of that. Really? Well, speed racer is well does that really? Well. Jeff visit you say you're you sound like when Jeff is a marvel movies, basically, which I'm saying like. I really int- and aerodyne and. I think it's great that you're enjoying it. But I think that there's numerous moments in this movie like that. Agree that like move. Built up to critical moments turning points, right where character makes us crucial decision or says this crucial line or gives us crucial speech, and you need to a understand the stakes underlying the context of that decision or speech or whatever. And then b buy that the character would actually do that. And then see have that decision. Make an impact right say if this movie has a lot of those moments, but those moments are Alitas arms and legs getting ripped off and her doing a killer punch with just her upper torso. And one arm flying through the air after like doing a push up from school. That was pretty cool. Shit like that. I that handstand moment where she says fuck your mercy that is that is a crowd-pleasing moment and leaves her arm in his eye. Good. And they also you this movie PG, thirteen right? So they used the using the one effort on that moment. I think. Yeah. Because every every thirteen movies allowed one f word, but those moments for me, right? Were this moment when she's like, I'm going to become a hunter warrior, and it's like, well, we have no idea. What that even means? Like how difficult that is? And you know, she marches in as big character moment. Like, the Dave the dream checker. Dislike kid kid. Let slowdown little we don't. We don't know what the tails you get trained like come on come on. But it just happens in like ten seconds in the movie, right? This moment in the movie when Alitas boyfriend is like, you are the most human thing I've ever met. And it's like that doesn't I don't buy any of that what's going comparing her to himself, and there's a point movie where they're both cyborgs, and even alita the CG Frankenstein monster that she is looked more real and natural than this, dude. I don't know if I -gree with that. But I I think I agree with the spirit of what you're saying. Which is that in planet of the apes, right? When that comparison is made in like, oh, like, you know, they're more. They're more human than we are. Right. They're more compassionate and kind than than we are as humans them moment really lands because he. Entire movie is building up to that. Right. And in this movie. It's, hey, this is kind of romance subplot that's shoehorned in here. And we just expect you to believe that not only is this character, quote, unquote, more human than ever in which I don't think we've seen any evidence of in my opinion, like crystal volts via pain is probably the most human. But you know, what I mean like like we need to at least by this guy thinks it, and I just don't think that there's enough there. So I just think there's multiple moments like I've just named two of them right off the head, but his multiple moments like that when you need to have the movie build up to these moments, you need those moments land, and they don't for me at all. Yeah. So agree there. There's a point where she switches bodies. And it's it should be this big momentus moment. Yes. But it feels it definitely feels too perfunctory because this is like her evolution from like a teenage girl to an adult woman. Basically. It's just feeling really weird. Because then like, okay, so Christopher character. Put her in her his dead daughters. Potential body. Which is I I don't know what trying to say there. And then he's kind of impressed with this new more feminine at Endo grownup. Roy. Robot goes through puberty in the movie, the robot goes through Huber, I'm really creeped out by the boyfriend because what was he really interested in before? Like was it child's buddy? I don't. Yeah. Kinds of fucked up of Indra, it's all kinds of fucked up, which is why you shouldn't watch this movie. But max, I mean, we've been saying a bunch of many things that we think wrong with the film. I'm curious if any of it resonates with you or you kind of like Devendra, hey, got to see her. You know that moment of that. You referenced the like her arms and legs chopped off. But she's still guy. It reminded me of that moment in Monty python and the holy grail. When the cutoff that guy's arms and legs. But he's still like I'm going to take you on. This is like it's just. Nash wound. She is like that dude. But she actually succeeded. So max, what do you think of? I mean, any of the issues bring up a resonate with you. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. I mean, like again, like, I totally agree with you that there the film feels very truncated like there's like a three hour cut somewhere that we're not watching the. Yeah. Three hours. They're they're huge. I think it's too on the dot it's two hours two minutes. Yeah. Yeah. And. There. There are these moments where it just makes these huge, leaps, you know, that like, you know, like, should it should have had more connective tissue. And I was thinking the other day something really simple and completely like zero cost that that could have done to alleviate some of that which would be to take a page from rob rods buddy, a Quentin Tarantino and just put some chapter headings like in interspersed throughout the movie. You know, what I mean, like, you know, chapter three euro woman now or whatever, you know, and. Very chapter one this serial killer subplot, which we're never going to return to again after. Yeah. And there are other things too. I mean, obviously there's way too many characters like, I think, you know, the the crew ish get character. The Jackie Earle Haley plays. You know, like like a lot of his thunder is stolen because there's this this other character played by. What's his name from the Ed screen screen playing this character, carrot planes care transient? Yes. So it's like it's green is the bounty hunter Bagai and Greece. Go is the bad guy, bad guy. And I'm like, they should've just made them one character because like everything everything Jackie everything. Ed screen does could've easily been done by Grecia, ROY like like like killing Hugo, or like, you know, a, you know, all the getting into the fight at the at the Kansas bar like it could've just been. You know, she fought grew guy, and then it escalated out into the into the underworld. You know, I I don't I don't know. I don't know if it was as streamlined as it could have been like, I know that Robert Rodriguez was working from like three or four hundred page script. Like, it was a it was in Salem. I told me he took out like took at least sixty or seventy pages. Remote? We felt it. We felt it. I think and. No. And it's a I think I think it could've used something, you know. But I don't know what you guys think you think do you think chapter headings or some some kind of signal that time is passing would have would have helped. I I'll be like putting a tiles band-aid on a gushing wound. I think is wasn't it would've done would've really helped that much. I would've made it slightly better. I agree that it wouldn't avert it. But yeah, I mean, I think the problems are really really fundamental with the script on this one. So it's it's a it's a challenge. Jeff cannata. I think you have some issues you wanna raise this film. Oh, I I feel like I've raised many already. Motorable come on get it on the movie out of the movie. Motorable kicks ass motor mal is roller derby, but also death. I guess I there's no rules. Really? It doesn't seem to make any damn sense. Okay. See CGI Rollerball. Yeah. Okay. It was bad. It's bad and these action sequence that it is part of his bad. And I in my opinion. And I wish it was on the movie. I it wouldn't really it really was like the straw for me that broke the camel's back because there's a lot of this movie that I liked, but I mean more fundamental than that is the the sort of central love story. I didn't feel any connection to or believed. And even the father daughter relationship. I think it's short shrift and doesn't really blossom in any kind of loving way. The movie just doesn't have an emotional core. Part of it is time. Yeah. And you know, your chapter markers. I think that one thing that might have helped with that is that that might have helped is that the movies used to take place over five days or something really really short. And it feels like there's not enough time for the father daughter dynamic to really kind of develop. What we jump forward drastically in time toward the end when she has become the world's greatest. Yes. Motor ball players world's greatest motorable. That's right. Yeah. Get a time card there. So I agree with you about the the cool bar fight up at the bar fight was was a lot of fun. But you have this oddball cast of characters directed by Robert Rodriguez. Danny trade how not available that day. I have questions I have. Here. I I think there's some more issues of this movie like racially. I think it's really say weird because I'm not gonna say offensive. Because. Okay. The the movie is based off among us, a presumably like like a lot of the characters have what appear to be Japanese names. Is that? Right. Like there are they? Yeah. Okay. Dyson ito. Sure. Yeah. But whatever like, it's not in my opinion. It's not outside the realm of reasonableness to take movie that's in another country and adapt it to your country, and like replace all the people, you know, like all like what goes on the shell did. Right. Which is also keep it in Tokyo, but also still whitewash and then have that like crazy literally stealing the brain. This avoids a lot of that. And I think the the added like multicultural nece doing here. Is that there is a lot of there's a lot of people of color in the movie, right? Lana Condor is in the movie, right? Doesn't say anything personal Lee is in the movie. Lana Condor has like three lights. Yeah. Yeah. Alley is in the movie, but he spends about, you know, two thirds of his time in the movie being controlled by a white, dude. And we know that he's controlled by white, dude. Because his is turn blue when that happens. Yeah. That's what I that's what happens to me Academy Award winning actor Herschel Ali spends the majority of his time being controlled by white dude and talking weird and his eyes turn blue movie again. It's just like, you know, like to me personally, it's not like offensively. Just kind of like. Doing this movie. Like, I think that that says a lot it is a Latina lead in this movie there. There's a lot going on here. They're certainly like. Yeah. The shitty stereotype says well, certainly not the best script in the world. I do think the the Marsha L E thing. I think is kind of Larry's because this is a rare movie where we get to see him really like hamming it up. I guess like as like trying to be an Eva villain. I don't think it essentially, it doesn't say like what the white leader doing is. Right. He doesn't like it. Like, the movie doesn't really it's it's not like saying like, oh, this is he's totally cool with it. Like he is living to serve this, dude. He's pissed off and not digging it either a winning. I will say I like the small things maybe does really well like the in the opening moments when Lalita gets up, and then she eats an orange and Roosevelt's are just goes like, she's just really like, you know, sounds like she's appreciating orange, and it struck me like how much of that is reflected in her face. And that kind of it also kind of terrified me just like you Jeff like it was an existential like crap this computer, just tricked me. And what does that mean? I think it does that quite a bit all throughout this really great job of tracking her face after a while. I kind of forgot what Rosa cells ours. Actual face looked like, and it was just seeing alita again glad that you're you that scene had an effect on you for me. I was thinking. Why did she forget what oranges are? She has a nesia. But like, we would if you if you forgot what origins are then like doesn't mean you each after three hundred years, I a logic. You're gonna play to this enough. That's enough. I think one of the interesting things about the movie that hasn't really been discussed yet is the sort of the the big semantic that is present throughout the literally hovering over the entire film. Which is you know, this idea of solemn this completely unattainable, you know, a level of of a better life that that is completely out of reach to the people in iron city. I mean, it's like, it's it is a very simple metaphor. But it works because it's like they don't like they don't do like Neil Blom camp where they're just like hammering it in every fricken minute of the moon. It's just it is what it is. And it's like, you know to me like like any Blom camp movie. You have all these people like, you know, they're like. Struggling and they're like striving to, you know, get a better life and all this stuff and more water lilies. Eum basic like for this. The scary thing about this movie, like the dark disturbing thing about this movie is that, you know, these people are living like a horrifying nightmarish existence where they're like, they they're all almost all having to augment themselves either for because of illness or to like be able to defend themselves, you know, and or like in on an obviously, you know, there's no police besides these like giant Ed to nine looking things that come after them. And it's like, you know, like, I mean, it is you know, it is kind of a fascist. Police state kind of distorted but it's like nobody is upset about it. That's that's what makes it a true dystopia. Everybody's just going about their day. There's no like drudgery to it. You know, it's not like nineteen Eighty-four four. It is literally just like, you know, you know, same. Shit different day. You know, and I think to me like that was the interesting thing. I I liked the idea. At the end of you know, of her like kind of, you know, defying the powers that be in insulin. And said, you know, like, I'm, you know, I'm coming for you and things are gonna change. You know, I I don't know if I necessarily want to see that movie. Like, I think this I I don't know if it's necessary to go on. Donal wouldn't I wouldn't one of the things that struck me though, is the kid Hugo, I guess news. He he gets the idea. Once he gets that cybernetic body. He's just gonna walk up. His all. Nobody has tried that before. How many other super powered robot people? I dunno all of them all of them are his his thing was like if I had a body like yours. I just do this this very complex kid. Of people who have even more insane bodies than he just all work together and race up there. Well, I think the one thing that is consistent in both the the the manga and the anime on this movie is I think Hugo is a couple of French fries short of a happy meal. I don't think he's the brightest, dude. I mean, learn to thirty. I mean, they raise on the on the thing. I I get the fact that there's a big razor. But I feel like that would be common knowledge among everyone because like, you know, a few weeks ago somebody tried to walk dissolve them in the big razor came down. It's like, oh, no, we should have that should be accepted in the community of don't walk dissolve them everybody because you try it all the time. Also mex- listen Q talk about this movie. It is it's surreal. It's surreal mix because I feel like I saw a completely different movie. You're saying you say you're saying, oh, they don't talk about zone that much. I feel like every other sentence of this movie is about all. It informs every single action that every character is taking and it is the ending of the movie is one of the characters doing everything in power to resolve. I just I just feel like I saw a different movie than you. Did you know what I mean? But Jeff, or are you saying where you're green or does agreeing with you in saying as the words that left his mouth, this movie doesn't hit you over the head with it. I was like what what is hitting you over the head next. What is hitting you? That's what I wanted to lease Lisi is hitting you over the head. Yeah. Yeah. At least there's a difference to me. I don't know Plum, camping just always feels like it's completely in your face like TIMMY, like I think Hugo wants to go to them. But it's like, you know, that that's not a leader. That's not a lead as a sort of mission. You know, and that's not soccer softball says mission. The biggest thing that people. Do evidently is go to the motor ball championships. Where the only prize is to go to Solomon. Yeah. That is the that is the number one most desirable. I mean, look we. I feel like most of most of the people in this society have resigned themselves. Just like, yeah, I'm not going just everybody. Yeah. That's true. No, you're right about that thing you're not going to be. You're not gonna be LeBron James. Everybody is waiting for LeBron James to go to the whole movies about whole community of people watching the LeBron James of their era. Go dissolve them. Also, the protagonists are deeply concerned with zone. But look look let me let me put it this way. Okay. We the four of us here on this podcast right now, we have we might not be the smartest guys. We might not be the best most decent people in the world. But here's the thing. We have learned a few things from watching, you know, five thousand movies in our lifetime. And so this actually happens at work like sometimes at work because I work at an awesome place where we can watch shows right during during work sometimes to like kind of evaluate them or whatever we'll be watching a series, right? And this happened recently, we're watching a series and. This character was talking about like, oh, I can't wait to retire in three days or something like that. And I said that guy's dead. I just said that I love that guy's dead. And apparently, I was right. And we just we just we just we we know where after. No that what that is. And what I bring that up because basically Zola misspoken about so many frigging times in this movie that you just know that it's not like going. There is not gonna cracked up to be right. But did you know that we're Dorton? Did you know, I didn't know is that we're Norton be I didn't know that her Scholley was ripping nervous systems out and shipping them. But I didn't know it was bad. I did know that quote unquote, going dissolve them was not going to be quite what is cracked up to be. So that is what I can attest to this movie has some surprises. Did you know the battle paint? She wears the posters. Puppy blood? I. They kill a dog in this movie. Brutal. John wick is John is watching. He's just like. Yeah. You get them. Go it PG thirteen that dog killing real good though. It's all off camera. I think he'll even an R rated movie can't do a gross Doug killing anymore. Like, this is the thing. Nobody wants to see really I'm surprised even went with here. I do isn't there? Like a thing where somebody said to like the difference between an eight movie and B-movie isn't a movie they don't kill the dog. And then they do. That's probably true. This is more of a D movie though. I would say, but I think that one of the things that's cool about the film is that fight seeing the happens underneath the bar where the dude with the finger missiles, whatever their reach agrees. He's like shooting out the finger missiles, he's being late jumping around. What did you say? Gra executive Haley, right? And I thought that was like a cool fight scene. Culminates that moment that we've all spoken about which is three D again. Like, it's it's not like, it's really I don't think it's like shoving in your face three day. But that shot where she is like jumping between the blades, there was so much depth to it. And it was slow down in such a great way. Like, I was just really I really appreciate the artistry of that moment and of the artistry of on armed alita punching him in the I know that's pretty good. I you guys are gonna matter me for saying this. But you know, we you guys disparage avatar so often I would challenge anybody to look at how literally any action sequence in avatar plays. The the beats of how it plays out the pacing the music of it the choreography the storytelling within the action sequence. It's the difference between a master action. Filmmaker listen, I like, Jeff. Let me reiterate, I don't think avatars bad movie. I just thought we forgot it. And that's a sounding to me. That's all that's. I would go on further, and I would say avatar is kind of a masterpiece. I think. I think a lot of people don't appreciate it again. Like as I said before like to me, I think it's a very subversive because it is about I guy relinquishing his humanity at the end, I think, and it has all those environmental messages and everything which really got. But like the world building, you know, like people, you know, talk about, you know, like a lot of times like oh world buildings good. But whatever, you know, it's like, you know, I think really good world building is not anything to sort of you know, snuff. At like, I think this movie it's showing us a vision of the future that we haven't quite seen before, you know, like, it's not blade runner. It's not ghost in the shell. It's not a Kierra you know, it is it is its own thing. It's kind of melting pot. You know, mixture of like South American and Mexican Japanese, and you know, a whatever Detroit. Like all these different cultures. Just kind of blending. And you know, I think I think it's interesting. You know, what they're doing with their telling a lot of this story. Juster visuals. You could you watch this movie, you know, with the with the sound on mute and still, you know, get the essence of what is going on. I think. Before you say anything is mostly MAC's. You're welcome back anytime. The magic of education. Yeah. I feel like I enjoy this movie. Maybe the way I enjoy attack of the clones and maximum. When we hang out, we often end up talking about the prequels, but I enjoy watching that movie on mute, you know, like the visuals of at the storytelling of it. The the action looks amazing all never say anything. I'll never try to justify the dialogue attack. Clones. I just think it's fun to watch anything that same level. This kind of it's about for me. Yeah. I definitely liked him more than Davy. There's there's there's enough funds stuff that it isn't a waste of time. And and agree with you guys, especially about the three D like and seeing Dolby vision. My God don't vision. Yeah. Beautiful and vibrant. So there's you know, there's some fun to be had it just feels like it's sixty percent there. And I it makes me sad. Because there's enough cool ideas that I wanted it to be a home run. Well here as wrapping up here, we have a unique opportunity on the podcast today. You know, why? Because right now, as we're recording this, it's actually not the weekend after alita battle angel has opened which is usually when we record the episode, we're actually recording this on February eighth, which is as you're listening to this weeks ago. So we don't actually know how well the movie opened think we know when it did. So so now. Long. This is an opportunity for us to predict how much money it's going to open with. I'm gonna ask you all to predict and you don't need to give an exact number. Let's say within twenty five million dollars right like zero to twenty five twenty five to fifty fifty seventy five seventy one hundred like how much you could be considered for this movie. Like, let's set the milestone here this cost how much to good opening for movie this much. Hundred million dollars over one hundred million would be good for this opening weekends. Yeah. I mean, that's how much like. Okay here. How about like a thorax Dirac opening right? Like that's probably throw rag rock made three hundred million dollars domestic and in its opening weekend. Oh, it's still made one hundred twenty two million dollars opening week. Okay. So maybe okay. If they wanted that it wouldn't be coming out on February in February whatever actually supposed to come out February of twenty eighteen I don't know if you remember. But then got pushback to summer fall. And then to February again, so dark world made much less than regular rock because there's a much worse movie and it grossed eighty five on its opening weekend. Right. Okay. That's pretty good. So that I would say if this movie made eighty five that would be like a a really good sign for this movie. I guess is thirty five thirty five. Okay. This twenty twelve. Lynn, nobody will watch this movie. I'm split the difference. I'm gonna say twenty five, but I'm gonna add a caveat to that. Which is I think it has the potential to gangbusters business overseas. I hope that is if if the Twentieth Century, Fox distributions isn't in complete shambles right now. Okay. I'm gonna say. Say twenty five I'm gonna say twenty five I think he took twenty five ready. That's my bed. How about the? Let's see you're like twenty six aren't you? Twenty six dollar. So like glass opened with forty right? I'm just thinking like what are people? There was a movie that was tracking. Really? Well. Yeah. Glass number. I don't know if people glasses of US Open to like seventy it opened at forty which is still which is still a big success. That's the thing is like twenty. That's that's the number. I want you know, suggests that thirty five to twenty max twenty I'll say thirty. Let's say thirty right in the middle there middle there. So we'll see. Right. Part of the problem is is, you know, this is this is not really unknown quantity in the states. This is like hard core like deep deep cut nerd stuff. Like, this is the enemy came out. What in the eighties early nineties late early, nineties, whatever. Yeah, they're the fan base for that goes back far. But even anime fans today, the lead the young crunchy row fans will not know what this property is. So yeah. But on the same token like I mean, I've ATar wasn't based on anything. And that did what it did. I mean, I just I don't I think the thing that avatar had that this movie doesn't is it the people really loved being transported to the world of pen Dora. And I don't think they're going to enjoy being taken to iron city on the same level. I mean, obviously like, I'm big dystopia freak. So I'm I'm totally getting off on it. But like you. I mean, I don't think most audiences were like watching blade runner when they were, you know, five times a day when they were eleven like I was. I think that I I think for this. I file audience. It is going to be a treat because you know, it is rare to see, you know, something fresh like this that is not a, you know, a known property being given this much love in in this much resources to to get division across the in in honestly things like this Arkell only going to get rarer in rare. Like, they're like, nobody should be rooting for this movie to bomb. I mean, we want movies that aren't based on. I mean, this is based on a pre existing property, but we want movies that aren't just sequels or franchise movies. Even though this movie was made like wanted to be a franchise movie. Like, this movie doesn't represent everything we want. But I think there for me. It's just like the fact that Cameron's been working at this for so long the the idea yet, we're going to run out of comic book property said that they're only there's only so much superhero shit. People can take okay there like three or four new superhero TV shows launching this year, and they all they all kind of look the same. It's all kind of crazy animate is the next like that is where they're gonna go to start farming ideas that have and I want I want that to be better. I want to be better than goes to Michelle for me. At least that feels this feels that way. But I thought speed racer kind of did it really well tomorrow did it really well, and nobody those movies bombed. I I'm waiting for someone to do it. Well, and for it to succeed. I if I just mentioned a real fun. Factoria picket. Sorry, Jeff, I like Josiah jumping off that of the speed racer comment. When I was at what I got to talk with the guy who was the lead affects guy on the motor ball sequence. And the first thing I said to him was like, you know, like, this is really cool. It reminded me had the same tone as the racist speed racer. Like, I did those two. Affects worlders typecasting guys. Well, I was gonna say that if I could wish for a the actual rerelease of speed racer to play in Dobie vision. I would be the first in line to see on that in three d with that vibrant projection. I would be all over that movie is woefully. Underrated. Well, I actually agree with a lot of what you guys are seeing the latter half year, you know, which is that it's a shame that this movie isn't going to do that. Well, and we should be rooting for movie. Like this even though I mean, I didn't particularly like it that much I wouldn't particular recommend it, but is tragedy if this movie fails of the box office. So I am sad about that. We'll come back. Maybe Alito will make fools of soul and it's going to do well at the opening weekend. It said James camera touch like I don't think what did after was it tracking? Well ahead of release. I don't really remember the lead up to it. I remember it was a big deal and everybody was kind of excited for every one has always doubted James Cameron's movie. Like, no one thing. No one thought those movies would be a success. And then they go they end up being the biggest movies ever made time. He's doing air avatar was a lot like the two thousand sixteen election. Like like, it was like completely totally behind in tracking until the last like week or two before it came out. And then all of a sudden, how dare you how? Avatar to Trump just on a physical level with also what's also crazy about avatar is that movie made seventy seven million dollars opening weekend. Then seventy five million dollars the second weekend. Right. Yeah. So that's like basically zero percent drop and then from a seventy million dollars opening grossed over seven hundred sixty million dollars domestically. I mean, if I had legs as long as AVI, basically, right? People are committing suicide because they couldn't actually go to Penn. I don't think they were committing suicide there were there was reports of depression of. But I think you made a good point max earlier about that. There is something about the world of Penn door that was enchanting that was made it desirable and aspirated and that is not the case with iron city. Right. And I don't I don't think people are gonna wanna go here. I don't think anyone's gonna get depressed because they can't go to iron city maybes all of maybe which we believe don't even see it. We don't even know what it's like, we don't even know. It's like so. Yeah, I just wanna point on everybody. But everybody's looking I don't care about the sequels after dump titles, and they're going to be and I'm not going to see him. All those people are gonna eat their words when they're freaking amazing. And everyone's talking about them and the most exciting thrilling spectacular things. So I'm just gonna sit back and let you guys all dig your own graves. Eat your words, and it'll be fun. I just. That's all I just want to remember them. Yeah. I I agree. I think I mean, like just the fact that he's taken well over a decade to develop these movies. I mean, like what a luxury leg. There's I can't think of another filmmaker, you know, who would make the biggest movie of all time. And then say the studio. Yeah, I'm gonna take my time. Did that twice? Hang out the biggest movie time. And then he went off and fucked around in the in the submarine, right? Yeah. The Mariana trench or whatever the deepest perver- in the comeback and make the biggest movie ever made. Like, I'm a man of extremes. That's who I am. Yeah. I mean, I think you know, like, the like the thing that people don't remember as you know, George Lucas what he did with a Star Wars over Lee. I never remembers that like what he but. No, nobody re logical. Don't think about like what he is like he to heated three at the most successful movies ever made three the most beloved movies ever made. And then he with all his power said. Yeah, I'm just gonna I'm just gonna sit on this for a while guys. Like, he could have made, you know, seven more Star Wars movies in the time between you know, return of the jet. I and feminists, and he did he did something much more important, actually. He revolutionized sound in movies you revolutionized visual effects in movies. He he did something that actually much much more important. He he changed the way we see and hear movies forever. Yeah. But I don't think corporate interests are ever going to let you know things like this happen again, you know, like just looking know look at what Disney did with Star Wars. Once they got it. They strip mined, basically. You know? I mean last year I was standing. All right. And on that note, I gonna bring us the end of our review of alita battle angel. Thanks for tuning in this week. Stay tuned to hear will be discussing next week on the podcast. In the meantime, if I'm more episodes as podcasts slash from dot com. Email us Cassidy mobile comm. Our spoiler bumper comes from filmmaker Kyle hill, injure and themes on comes from Adam Warlock dot com. In the meantime, mex- every working we've I'm more of your work on the internet this week. You can find me at a coming soon dot net and also occasionally superhero hype shock till you drop, and I I also do I designed t shirts for a company called snark. Fish in my spare time good shirts. Check those out. Yeah. Yeah. How about you? Drew? 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Alita's Battle Angels

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Alita's Battle Angels

"This episode of the polygon show is brought to you by Microsoft, Azure, with advanced analytics and artificial intelligence, Asher helps businesses amplify bold, ideas and scale them worldwide hear more about how Azure enables innovative teams to push their ideas further a little later in the show and start your free account today at Azure dot com slash trial. Welcome Polly gone show. I'm here today on the leg or Frank blow. Justice star alot and special guests Karen Han, either high what qualifies you to be on this show? I feel like the base level of requirement is that I work at poly gone. That's. But when I'm Egner Tate reporter, and also I know that we are talking about one of my favorite movies this year today, which I won't spoil now. Yes. One of Karen's favor five, which I you can begin to gauge what you feel about her title is entertainment. This is actually talking to multiple people about this where I was like, I feel like I've really scuttled how much you guys will trust anything. I say. Listen, I it seems fitting that we're all sitting where we're sitting Allegra literally last night after we watched the movie that we're going to talk about today. We were like, you know. Matt patches in Karen, I don't know about their opinion, maybe been entertainment reporters for so long that their opinions are bad now. Honestly, I'm not sure that something like that factors in after certain point let you reach critical mass. Well on today's show we will be talking about the video game devotion, which has been at the center of a lot of trouble in scandal this week, but like actually got to play it before it was taken down off of steam. We'll also be talking a little more about apex legends. Which now I have played and the reason the care and his joining us today, we will be breaking down a Lita badly. We're going to break her back down now over again. I I want to remind everyone that we will be at Pax east this year at the end of March, and we're going to be having a panel at five pm. Mm on Friday in the Bob cat theater and on top of that. Brian my coworker Brian on the video team who does his video series unraveled. He has to have a panel on Saturday. And I don't know what time. Wait. I do actually know those things. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's I think it's five pm on Saturday in the Armadillo theater. Armadillo? Are they all betrays? I don't remember. They are all named after is ABCD. And I can't it's the eighth theater. I hope it's not all the trust in might be the frost theater begging for trouble. Yeah. We don't wanna curse him. But you know, it's it's the a animal. Okay. A theater the. Boy, you can tell your volume down if you want to. Yeah. Right there. Just turn it all the way to the left. Karen as a guest. Keren as our guest has the option to. Me at full all the time. Hey, hey, hey, also politics. Tickets are still on sale at pod x dot com slash TPS. But more importantly video games. Allegra. Can you summarize for us? What this kerfuffle about devotion is all about. Yes. So devotion is the new game from red candle games, which is a Taiwanese studio. I think this is technically their second game other. I was detention which came out last year. It was more of a like to decide scrolling horror adventure games. So they make pork or working through that D E section of the dictionary. They really are into getting that D. And I love the dictionary. Both of our jokes were bad. So. Better your excessively. I think it was perhaps easier like very pandering to the lowest. Yeah. More time where the volume knob is. You only get one chance. The door is very reason. Okay. You're here now. Oh god. So they made attention. And that was like it wasn't perfect. But it was popular with horror game fans. So people were really his painting their follow up which is far more ambitious. It's called devotion. It's like a Genesee Bor also I'm video team calls it a hallway horror so sort of like a I want to say like, Don, home or mesia more less PT esque. Exactly. So first person fully three d adventure through house. So very scary. Very good. I can talk about that later. But the main controversy right now is this is a Taiwanese studio. Right. And the game takes place in China. So this is in the earth's alright is actually in Taiwan, and it's in the eighties, but as China and Taiwan sort of have a complicated relationship. And you know, there are a lot of immigrants from China and Taiwan and whatnot. There is a reference buried in there to the Chinese government and the developers claim that they were unaware that it made it into the final build of the game. So I'm curious you need to probably spell this out because it's actually. I will say so good. I it is very good. Basically they included this reference to the president of China. The current day president of China the game again takes place in the eighties. So this is a very modern reference to same as Gijon ping. I believe and Jingping she Jingping. Right. Thanks. And he basically he looks like Winnie. The Pooh is what everyone says it's just heritage. We need to do. And he hates it. Yeah. Which I understand. So there's a lot of memes in China where they're like how when you PU is our president to the point where he's so upset about it that he is fans like any Winnie the Pooh related content like which is a shame because Christopher Robin was one of the best films of twenty eight very good the Poos graves, but Mr. for Robin Bannon China. Yeah. I yeah. Sanely enough. Yeah. And I think in kingdom hearts, there's the Winnie the Pooh levels. I think they just don't include those at all. Yeah. Because it's just like it's so -fensive to him. So in devotion. They have a little Easter egg somewhere. That says basically like the president is Winnie the Pooh or something I'm like really a poster that says, she Jingping Winnie the Pooh moron. It's just straight up that. There's nothing. There's nothing else. Like, it's not clever at all it literally just says, he's Winnie the Pooh. He's a horrible. So when people found that like Chinese players, they're like, this is not good. And it ended up being big enough. I mean, wait, but so fun like, I mean, obviously, China or the Chinese government was on happy. When this may caught wind of this and read candle took the game down technically temporarily they removed it from steam, Catherine got review bombed by von by Chinese players. And then they took it down because they said, oh, this was a mistake. Can't they just patch that out? I I have no idea. I think it's probably the review on part honesty yet. They they said that they were fixing problems of the game. They also the developer said that it was a like a temporary art asset. That was just stayed in the game, which I was like, all right. Well, sure. Yeah. So K let's so deliberate though. Yeah. Yeah. I had sort of assumed that just like there was a picture of Winnie the Pooh somewhere, but this is so much beyond that this is just someone in their files on their computers. Like, this is the me might use all the time. But now, I just don't get nothing game. This would be like if I put a picture of pugs in in renaissance clothing at any game that I made because those are all the pictures. That's your goat. Offensive. I look so much like a pug and it bothers. Joking. And that's actually my sites Simone morons. Okay. But before you came got taken down. You did go chance to actually play it. Yeah. Quite good. Everyone on Twitter who is very upset about it. Getting taken down says, it's frigging amazing. Yeah. Came out. I think on the nineteenth. I'm writing a review if I get a minute free ever. That's a different episode anyway. Yeah. I played it. It's pretty short. It's like four or five hours, which is very doable. And it is very scary. Very scary. Not the kind of scary where it's like, it's not really jump scares. It's more. I mean, I guess it's P T S. Although I think PC's had more things coming out at you. But it's like there's just this like this omnipresent. Very scary like tense atmosphere. And you're in this very decrepit house, there is the story. It's very obscure. And you're trying to sort of puzzle together. Okay. What happened? You don't even really necessarily know who you are. It's possible that you're different people because it's first person. You don't see yourself. You don't have a reflection mirror, by the way and. Essentially, you are whoever those character is I'm not telling you, but am it's about a family, and you're a member of that family ghost. And you're through. Sort of different significant moments in the family's life. And you know, something has happened like the houses technically empty and like ransacked. So it seems as though everyone is dead like from the gecko that's not really spoiler. But we don't really know how or why? Or where you are who you are. So you go through basically different times of these people's lives, and you're just in this house like you only really are in the house ever. And you have to sort of collect things to unlock different suitcases or closets or other puzzle pieces to really kind of figure out who is who. And what happened to these people? And there's all these different clues that sort of you know, when you amass them it becomes much clearer. But also, it really doesn't it really doesn't help and it just becomes scarier, and it's very horrify star concrete ending where you solve things there is. Is. So basically there is sort of like an an goal with the collection aspect. So there is like I believe it's four different times you're going to four or five I think it's four and so you need to like get keys to go into specific areas and your collecting like there's a whole list of like collectibles. You're supposed to get and getting one thing unlocks the other. And there's one door. That's completely locked. So you're basically trying to get into that door, and that's like the final area. So the goal is really get into that door because essentially that door will reveal all. Or so it should. So I mean the end goal is really to like, I think get through that door and figure out what the heck what is the like scary element of it. So basically when you're going through this house in the four different time periods that you're in which are all different years in the eighties. There's just something horrible and each one like you'll hear horrible noises. There's like blood on the walls or there's fire or I'm trying to think of what other things horrible noise is actually a lot. Well, yeah. Yeah. There's one where Chelsea no. I mean, I'm just saying in general stuff that really that's I mean. Yes, island hill has the some of the most terrifying soundtrack ever, and it also like barely lit kind of like this game. What I walked into you win. Allegra was playing. It's like kind of dark. Yeah. In very close spaces, which are I think leads to a lot of scary. Very claustrophobic. The only light you have is like a lighter. Farren an iron. A lot of creepy dulls. There's a lot of creepy dolls. There's pictures that change. I think that's kind of creepy when you go into the same area. And it's like completely different when it shouldn't be or like one thing is off at always freaks me out. There's little girls. Singing. Everyone hates that bat. Scary. Nobody likes it when little girls saying, not if it's just a live, this buddy voice. And you're like, where's the girl? I will say the scariest thing so there's no like animals in this game. But there is this one part where you're in there. Disgusting kitchen their kitchen is discussing and every single frigging time line their kitchen in their bathroom. I think I've talked about this on different episode. I hate dirty or so much grout. All for was there. Stay like a Skillet in the bathtub again, maybe. That's funny. No callback. But no. So they don't have any dogs or anything like in one time line, the house is completely empty, and it usually is. But this looks like it's been abandoned for years, and you just hear all these dogs like screaming, I don't there's no dogs round though. And that is like peak scary Moi's. Oh, there's just a lot of weird stuff. Like that. There is one Jim scary will say. Which is bad and the worst. It also contains for the most part, I think it's what Chelsea said of like, pasta phobic and dark and like things slightly changing weird noises. But this game also features the most sculpting unerring thing. I've ever seen or had to do in a video game ever. I don't know. I wanna spoil because leaning grout. It was I had to go on my hands and knees in VR lean. To my fucking life alike. Wanna know? We'll put a you can jump thirty seconds or a minute ahead. If you don't want to know about this. But I wanna know about this. Okay, starting now, it doesn't say a lot about the plot or anything. It's just like huge moment in the game. But toward the end of the game. There's a part where you essentially are told to take your tongue out. And this is after you've also just removed your eye with what? So I your move your eye with a spoon. Our engineer Gilani's for you. And then after I like your screaming, and of course, like, your vision is slightly impaired to the screen, and then you keep going, and then you're basically like told take your tongue out. So you take I think it's like forceps or sorry. There's like force feedback on the controller. Media like rip. It's literally hold the button down with the joystick to poll the tongue out and you see because it's. Myself pulling my tongue out of my mouth. Oh with. You don't get away. And then yeah, you rip it out. And then he screaming and bleeding from his mouth. It's nothing like that kinda shit to make you think about how we're the human body is. How long has that muscle? Where does it go? Like for sort of. For some reason. I thought it wouldn't take that long to take my. But also, of course. I should've. It's also like when is coming in realize that thing on the back of the eye. That's like. Yeah. Ever seen cow tongue in the grocery store. Oh, bad cooling cow tongue over there long tongue. Good Q. How long pretty long y'all? That's a fucking lie after that. Yes. The thing is sorry to everyone who tried to skip ahead to void. Spoiler. Fine. It doesn't tell you anything rebel story. It's just really gross. But right after that you have to do it says it's only four inches. But that must just like the part that comes out of your mouth. Where does it end? Where does it end? Where does it come from? Where does it go? Okay. Carry on talking. Okay. So the last part it's like you do three of those there's eyeball telling. And then you do one more on boy, but get this. You just have to stab yourself. Oh in the hand, whatever literally of outward as like is a seriously final climactic thing. I've looked after you've made me pull my tongue out what being pretty upsetting depending on like how the stabbing. I mean, the knife does go through his hand. Yeah. Yeah. That's the tongue is a new thing. That's. Yeah. I've never I've cut my hand off before in in a game. Hasn't. Here. I told my hand off I well never done anything with my eyeball, but the tongue thing was so just uniquely ferry uniquely terrify the tongue is anchored to the mouth, by webs of tough tissue. And mucosal tether, holding down the front of the tongue is called the freedom in the back of the mouth of the tongue is anchored to the highway bone great. I'm like trying to touch that bone with my tongue. I want to reach back, but I don't want to gag on live on air. Right. Let's do this. The shows Aaron like, thirty seconds. That's one Karen turns are up. Came here for. Oh, really get into that Foley work. It sounds like I will not be playing devotion. I will certainly look up detailed plot summaries of it. It's a really excellent game is very very uncomfortably scary. I believe that. Yeah. But also, I'm a chicken. Same. I'm a baby I don't a wee baby. This is advertiser content. When disaster strikes affected families and communities. 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Mark has been wanting to make. That's a lot. Oh, yeah. And he this is such a tangent. But he was like, yeah. I've already Shaw all the live action components of the next two movies. And now we're not gonna see them for another ten years because he has to do all the CGI. But anyway, all his accuracy going to be so much older. When those come out. Out. Holy crap. I'm sure they're all just going to be Novi. So it does this for matters for but right after he did Titanic. I don't remember who it was. But they're like you should read some manga and he did. And he was like I love alita, I'm gonna take my Tannock blank check. And by the rights. So literally anytime like the deal was so lucrative at like any alita thing that gets made from now on money goes to James Cameron. Holy anyway, he wanted to make alita, but the quote unquote technology wasn't ready for like twenty years. And so he started making avatar now he's like, I don't have time make leader. So Robert Rodriguez, directing this movie. This was such a long beginning to this is so important. Because this got this. This was in production since two thousand three. Yeah. He's been talking about it for ever making me wanna go out and buy the rights. Appreciated manga? I like in twenty years. This will really kick back. It's an investment that's better than the stock market. As always gonna be. I don't know if that is true because. Story carry on. Robert Rodriguez was brought on to direct this movie, which is about alita who is a cyborg who loses her memory, and then has to go through the process of basically adjusting to being alive first of all and then adjusting to like getting her memories back as implied by the title. She loves to fight. So there's a lot of funding in this movie. And it's kind of it's like, it's amazing. But it's also it also gets kind of gross was pretty gross. Yeah. They also drop one single f-bomb once. But you can cut a man in half. Yeah. No, no, no biggie. A rip someone's man, Anna robot young. Yeah. Multiple guys in half. So why did what you love this movie? Explain. Justify I was talking to Matt patches about this. We were like it's a lot of movie, which is something that I tend for better or worse to like of just because there's a lot to parse through and in this case, especially although I do genuinely think this movie's good a lot in terms of like what's going how many plot threads? There are a lot of just. Thrown in your face both in so much like a lot like the memes sense. Where when you're like, oh, it was a lot like that. Alita is a lot. It's a lot of moving. I think I know what you mean. Because I I wouldn't say the movie is good. I would say that. I can't stop thinking about it. And haven't since I saw it two weeks ago like because he fucking weird and inacceptable like so much inexplicable stuff happens in this movie. Her is don't need to be. That's is a thought just you know, what I so I'm going to say some brief spoilers for alita. But I think that they are ones that our audience will appreciate. I remember you mentioning before we went that all the robot was blue or maybe Pat mentioned it. I don't know like all about blood blue. So, you know, it's very gory and violent, but I mean, all the bloods blue, and then we walked into the theater, and we saw the big hole Alina poster where she's putting red blood on her fatal and looked at it. And I thought a so weird 'cause Pat and or care until me they'll blood. Oh, yes. My favorite scene. It's not favorite is just like. Ghibli? Why did this scene have happen? Pretty bunk right through my shirt. Chelsea. Happen favorites. The wrong word. You're going to find out why the blood is from a dog that's killed by one of the evil. Robots? Did you see the tweet from dog rates? Yeah. I know he's alive the audience of made until robot after the movie, but guess what extra credit scene or whatever seen? They don't include them young movie. Guess what they released an exclusive click on Twitter on Wednesday dogs truly to PR move. Put it in the fucking Simone had to sway JR. My well. I I don't even I didn't have fears. I was upset. I reconcile over wish. Kaz sucks and like, Jeff. He's he's. Okay. Because we were talking about the opposite of save the cabinet killed the dog. So any movie for me? I don't frigging hair humans or robots. I don't like if there was a movie about all of us, and we all got killed. I'm sorry. I would not care that much. I mean. Okay. Ten in that come back. There was a dog. Like, if we had a mascot dog named like, paulie and paulie got killed. I'd be like fuck this movie. I don't want to be part of this movie. So when this happened like, I love animals. This happened in the movie, I turn to you Simone, and I was like like freaking killed the dog. I freaking hate this movie. And then what happened next? Allegra what happened after the dog died? Snap hitting the tables softening stop with extraneous audio. Please. I actually don't remember because I literally, oh, so she gets the will to be super angry, and she leans over and puts her finger. Oh, yeah. In the dogs blow? Yes. Wipes it under her is like some kind of a football player. Yeah. Right. So yeah, that's what we saw normal behavior. Terry encourage robot child, she white. There's like a huge. You don't actually see the dog. Of course, getting you know, Wade or Ripley because I saw that coming from a mile away. And I hand over my. Yeah. You don't see anything? It is offscreen you just CD of blood. Yeah. So you do see this big pool of blood and gal lead at depths her fingers in there and goes all like warrior, girl, she goes all battling Joel. And I so to get less Scrini about this. But I was very upset until Simone told me about the dog racing. But I was so upset after that to the point of showing like, okay alita has I we are saying sort of like, okay alita is the cyborg right? The suggestion. There could be like, oh, you know, what what is where is her humanity is she just this fighting machine of sorts, but I feel like at this point it had been so well established that despite alita being like, you know, ninety percent machine. She did have a lot of you know, human elements. She very much had like a heart and emotional core. And she had this relationship with you. Go which. Later, but she also really legitimately loved Kristof wall to I actually really liked him. He's great. Yeah. Dr e-e-e-e-no, Dr Dyson ITO. Yeah. Not ITO anymore. Edo? She had like a really actually looks like a tender relationship. So I was fairly convinced. Like, yeah. Of course, she is a cyborg, but she felt very human to me. So to have the dog show up and sort of be like, oh, you know, she does love the little things like animals. She is a good person and carrying and then to kill the dog as if it was sort of like a tool to show to further. Showcase like, okay. You know, even though she's here to fight and destroy everyone and be angry. She does still have this sensitive side. Yeah, we all love dogs actually like saying now, so I'm not joking like we've literally seen her heart at this point. She held her heart in her hand on that happens after the. Oh, yeah. Oh, baby body during that scene. It's up doesn't she take her heart out to show you go. Her new. Oh, hey, she. Well, still she seemed very I did not doubt that she was anything, but this fighting machine. So I felt as though the use of the dog as a finer point on that. I also insurance. I don't think the dog was actually that significant. I'm sorry, you guys, but that talk is in the movie for like, thirty seconds. She feeds she feeds like an something to the dog like a sandwich burrito. A burrito sound like checkoffs dog. And like, of course, the gun is not going to be the huge thing that like when it leads to right because there is up blood. She puts on her face and immediately from their vests. There's that turn of like, I must destroy well everyone in this room. I think the dog is important because it got the other man with four robot dogs moved to who I found. His name his name is Murdoch. Apparently, and is a Murdoch mctigue. Yeah. And. Could only God his dogs have names away. There's a robot bounty hunter who has a pack of like three or four robot. It's amazing with him. Good. He wasn't in it very much. Right. But Robert Rodriguez loves that actor so yeah, put them in a lot of his stuff. He was in like two scenes. What's your number one on your robot? Yep. Cairns robots? I didn't read any of the alita content. I've been reading all of the. It's called definitive rating and definitive ranking of the robots in alita battle angel wait on this. Yeah. So I just would like to point out that one of the dog's name his hubris. That will raise canonical in the manga. Yeah. I love. Yeah. I wanna go back to really what are the other dog names? I have to look it up, but they were like vigor anger. That's great something. Oh my God. Oh my God. So care, and when I mentioned Hugo human. Because human White House team. Alita whatever falls in love with you made a disgust knowing. I would like to interrogate that because I'm with you. I all the thing of like when you're female friend like starts dating a guy in nobody is ever good enough for your friend. But also some in some cases is like he just really sucks. It's not just that. I personally don't think he's good enough for you. It's that he's terrible. Which is the case here. He goes so boring. He looks like if you describe Joseph Gordon Levitt to a sketch artist. But also like you look at him. And then if you look away, and then don't think about him for more than thirty seconds. You forget what he looks like I don't think he wears a Puka shell necklace. But like, he he he sleeps in full jeans. Weird. There's this scene where she goes in his bedroom, and he is asleep again in jeans, but masher belts. He no. A configuration his arms are just in such a way that it. It was it was the most natural thing in that entire. No, she's going to come in. So I need the cool. Yeah. I mean, maybe there the whole night. I have no idea that that was real twilight their whole does that actor. He's it as early twenties. I think he's like a young boy. It was weird. I should. Early teens. Maybe. Yeah. His face looks like he's so young. But then he had like the shredded torso of an adult like this is weird about Tom Holland to accept he's like cute. He's like, actually my son. He's my Sasha shredded son. Just so many things about his character. Like he was trying to earn money. But he had this really sick motorcycle. Like, I don't hear jomie huge Jimmy a wheel with an engine on it. Pretty cool. If I could like have that bike in a final fantasy game. I would. He gave her he bought her an inex- inexplicably large bar of chocolate. She just kept eating that was wonderful. That was one of actually my favorite scene of the whole movie is the first scene was she tries to eat the orange Liga hands too. Yeah. And then she goes from not understanding when an orange is to similarly like walking around the world, totally comfortably in fifteen minutes. I'm like this makes the learner. We're was. Yeah. Not existent. Like, she immediately knew to like get out of bed and like put on clothes and go downstairs pushy. Can't even more. Walked, but then she could put on her clothes and start running around and like new like, oh, bent down the dog and make friends and have a boyfriend isn't. She was immediately going to kill the dog like gonna like pick it up. Thanks. Anyway, he's gonna sucks. He sucks the movie like he dies because he's an idiot. Yeah. And then lead to save him cuts off his head, and then just hold it like groceries and like has like tubes of blood like feeding into. And they hurt him. And then they turn him into a robot. And then he just immediately gets killed now. Shitty. Robot body, nobody? They turn them into a robot. Like, Jennifer Connelly's character dies, but like turns into a brain in a jar jar with eyeballs attached. Offscreen that was a weird film moment for me because as she is leaving vector Oskar real next year. Yeah. Like, we we hear the trumping sounds of those protective robots outside, but it's not really shot in such a way that that makes you feel like he's calling her back for something. Like, it's very much like, oh there she goes. And then suddenly she was a brain in a jar. And I was like, oh what? Variously implicit in a way that is like, I guess, I get it. But also like you say I was sort of like she just going to jail like. To jail robot jail robot speaking of that scene, which was Scott off all. She's in general, the part where you see her brain in the jars terrible. So when we were watching that scene, and then I think it was pretty close to after that because this was very much the end like those Maharidge lollies biggest seeing got way, right? Like so watching that like what two days after the Oscars? I got why. And then Edward Norton as I meant to multiple people texted me on Oscar night being like insane that next year Maher change going to win an Oscar for? Time. But like on a Herschel always death scene in his movie is one of the funniest things I've seen in higher line. Yes. So the premise of Edward Norton character is that he can just sort of beam into anyone else's body and like take him over and talk to other people through them. So he does that some Herschel and alita stabs Mahershala. And then we're Herschel is body starts dying and like falling but his face remains, normal speaking, it's the strangest disconnect I've ever seen in my life. There was something has to Oskar going to be three. Something he said that. I remember. It was really funny. Oh that looks fatal. While he just has it normal phase. He he's staggering down. Yeah. Just let me go. Just let me good accords. Yes. Superstar though, because he was I felt like Harley in the movie more towards the end. But then also the Edward Norton reveal obviously like, yeah. Kind of knew by then that it was ever nor. But like that's when he takes it so Heine sunglasses, and that has a completely different face, these huge names in these really weird been marts. I mean, I guess fittings Cameron Robert Rodriguez have that cash to sell them on in or. Yeah, they spent a lot of money on this movie. Yeah. Let's be on. If I were an actor and somebody promised me a lot of money. And I'm being in five seconds of. Oh, yeah. True. Yes. Jennifer Connelly series. She didn't wanna be there. Like the entire time. She was just like barely acting. Yeah. I think she's the one where I was the most like. Yeah. Yeah. Like, why is she here? Why is she here? Yeah. We don't have the answer to that question. Joe sending police. While you were there. I did think Christoph waltz was good. Yeah. It's like genuinely good at like the other two time Oscar winner. I mean, I think relative to good good is the scale. We're only we're good at using good only in the elitist gale. On the rest of the universe. Alita like genuinely being good is at the action is so well shot like the last x insert whatever large number you want marvel movies that I've seen? I haven't been able to distinguish a single frigging thing in any of the action scenes is just see GR Gorbach yet like this one the partially because the moldable, of course, is like very pristine, and there's nothing really else going on it. You can tell exactly what's going on in every single scene. The motion is terrific proper GECAS. Did a good job. I think that is fair. I think that criticism is fair especially as like we're still in this terrible time of action movies action is so blurry and shot so close, and it's just like this is everything is very clearly defined it all these like these robots are cartoons like with ridiculous part. And they're all it'll reads, really. Well, it's great. I loved motor ball. I wanted to watch a whole movie about motor ball. I think that was actually when cracked me up is. So I had to p and I left because I was like. Oh, she's going to do another motorable natch at the end of the movie, I can p and come back, and I came back in the movie was overly. Just like, oh the movies. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Motorola's so good. I would watch just a motorable movie. Yeah. It's terrific. I wish I wish RIP screw head. Her name is screw head coach. She has a scar. In her head. Oh, good name love that name. It's great. There is something else. I wanted to bring up, and I am failing to remember what it was can you think of anything else that you would like to save Lena badly? Giant hammer. Not that is actually. Fucking enemy weapon ever seen. It's a great enemy weapon. It's like fucking the Claiborne mango, or whatever we're all the swords like twice as big as the people who them got out of his tiny briefcase. I was like this movie roles five hundred five star. I love it man, always in scrubs. And then has like the stupid like fidora. This trench. He looks like the judge on framed Roger rabbit. Try gun weapon. That and claim we're both very. I liked the fact that she just wanted to fight all the time. I go fight. I'm here. Alita? I love to fight. She loves to fight. She loves to fight. Yeah. I there's a mood more. That's my last point. There's a war on the moon. So trestle leaders like body is much older than or she can't from the United Republic of more. Yes. So she starts having these flashbacks to excuse me. So that many by I. What are the movie this year will have a war in the moon? Not. The sequel to John Carter of Mars. That little making rather about something that you brought up when we saw Simone that I thought was interesting and not a thing I would have noticed. So I liked your hyper specific complaint was the water and her hair. So mad about the seniors scene where alita has to go get the old her like stronger body from underwater Sloan was very upset CGI hair. When people are underwater, the ends of it fly up, but the top the part that is like wherever the the scalp is or the skull stays close to the school, as it makes no fucking sense 'cause hair isn't attached. Like all the way down your skull on a helmet and tell it like out at the bottom is. There's one part that stuck. And then when you're on a water hair goes up. Like, stay down. Really that's the most specific and good observation when she's on the motorcycle to like when you on the skull is down the long flippy parts of flying out. I'm like now. This is hair. We're talking about couldn't I just let her to rubber Rodriguez. Excuse me. Dear robert. I call you Robert I wouldn't what had happened. Wait. There's none part where she does a weird handstand. I wonder if we're here move that part was also weird because it's like her new adult body, and she's doing kind of provocative hand stand in front of dad. But in that shot, I was like I'm seeing more than I want. And I think that is to the best light of the movie is a she's a little a lot older than you thought. She was and I was like goodbye not only had one line that was aware as close, but Sapan doesn't wear clothes. Yeah. It's that's the nipple rule. She doesn't have nipples does hasn't belly button. That weird me the suggestion. Well, this is the thing on tumblers addressed. Oops. You can't do in slide. Nipple Email identified. Oh, oh, yeah. Yeah. That's the for Instagram Instagram hasn't rule to shape. Yeah. Them is from tumbler the beautiful phrasing. So speaking of the hair, and I guess limit false lack thereof. So I found alita her like body time her face. You mentioned the is which I agree. We're too big to be very uncanny. You know, being that she is like one hundred percent CGI like not just that. She's Asai weren't like that. She is is that she's totally Seco. Yeah. Were you guys able to sort of look past that because I was really not able to like, I just would always look at her and really be aware of like, you are computer generated versus, you know, your dating the human being your dad is a human like there were a lot of humans in this. And it just made me, I don't know particularly uncomfortable. I think because it's like one CD person in this otherwise real world, I mostly it was able to forget about it. I feel like it's just the constant kind of voice in the back of your head. That's going like this does. Salat guide, but not not something that you totally pay one hundred percent attention to like it. It really is kind of remarkable how well the animated her, and I think the degree to which her eyes are bad mitigates the uncanny vani factor uncanny valley. Yeah, you know. Uncanny valley factor to the point where you're like, no, she's like, not real. But she still interacts with the world. Very well. Yeah. Yeah. I think she was definitely very well animated. That is true. I think avatar money's going. Yeah. It's just like, I think whenever she was and. And. Proportions. And it was just so I don't know if that's just like a personal thing where I'm like. Okay. Come on like another tiny knows because she had lady with a tiny waves. Yeah. Because her head is huge bodies, very skinny. Yeah. I was I don't remember who I was talking to about this. But they were like I wish she had had like Bradstock proportions just because her face is. So like gross sexy. Like, I want her body to also be disgusting. Rose six like as over sexualize sexy. But like, you, you know, the Bradstock prefers we're bad. Yeah. I just all of her should've been like that. A huge mouth. Stick body. That's James Cameron's money. Right. You're absolutely right. Well, this conversation. I'm sure you can all decide whether. Lita battling. My should. Absolutely. See? It has no home replay value. Now, you need to see this other big screen. Absolutely. Also, I found it. The dogs names are fury glory valor. And hubris of some mctigue should have his own TV series. Yeah. What was the name of the dog that bad and was reborn as a robot? I don't remember Scruggs or something I wish it was supposed to scripts. Oh. I don't know. And I don't think I could find it that quickly cyborg trades the Spurs for wings. I will continue looking as me, wait. I'll look it up because you have to talk about APEC sledge interesting to talk about pets. Legends more robots. Hell, yes. Thank ways today. Sorry, the NPR review for alita review Alina battling. Joel the is don't quite have it. Is that just in Chiang or no let me find out? Climax? His name is little marks. A mar that's very good. It's nothing at all like Scruggs. The scrapes like inherited pet name. It is a very good pet screaming it if I had a rabbit. I would BUSTER Scruggs. Maybe I will name my new score bunny a poke him on reference ya. All right. I finally this weekend downloaded a PECS legends. And I have to tell you all that. I am bad. I'm so unbelievably bad you'll it's fair. It's hard nothing. Nothing prepared me for this. She didn't put for this fortnight. Didn't prepare me for the I'm bad. I have no context for apex lessons. What is it? Oh. Karen does. I read I was reading about anthem. Apex legends is a battle royale game where you it's kind of futuristic there's some robotic characters and it is set in a future reality. I guess where you're on some kind of reality urology show where you're fighting to the death on people. Yeah. Like, Matt importantly, Mike, the most critical text of our time gamer that. Starring Michael c hall. I do like, I'm not apologize. Oh, that's a good movie. It's nuts. It's also a lot. Someone who likes movies that are a lot. Some like one of my favorite movies of all time is crank. Oh, well, that's good. A lot. I'm just saying. Yeah. But anyway, apex is that's that. So you have sixty people and you in teams of three and you got to be the top team. Oh, wow. It's only sixty didn't know that died a lot. So I done so quickly every single time, and I was playing with my friend. Amanda who had one kill that. She got from punching someone death in one game. Maze. Good for her. Zero kills and we're like, all right. Who who what poor asshole is gonna get paired up with us, and they put us on a team with someone who had like a hundred and Tony knows. And we were like, oh, where's the I'm sorry? But. Is there more? If I'm missing something with voice Navoi shot in that game. But the plane chat commands like I there. Oh, because they're contextual Ping's. Right. Yes. So if you want I apologize at any point. I don't know. I don't know. I'd like to apologise more. So does your team fail? If one member dies or just if all of you. Okay. Yeah. You can actually this one has a different thing mechanic, if if you died, I you can be like you become a box, and then they can pick up your card at revive you at like reliable. What would I never seen happen? Because usually if one person dies the whole team is wiped to me actually got fives. We had a really good third person on our team who I wiped out Amanda wiped out, and then they grabbed both of our cards and ran them over to the revived station and revived us, and it was incredible. And I get I'm going to thank them NC. I'm sorry. And then about a minute after that. What's the highest? You've ever like finished wasn't really looking at the numbers. I was just wondering why I couldn't see anything. I I'm unbelievably bad. Find this game harder than pudgy maybe because I always played puppy on PC. And I'm playing this on PS four. I think I it's a lot faster than pudgy for me. Because pudgy you spend so much time like hiding and at cetera et cetera. And also, I think being in first person is a little more difficult for me. Although I guess it wouldn't I wouldn't be aiming so much. If I were in, you know, third person the thing I do like about effects legends. So far is sliding guess sliding it's good? You can slide so fast, and you can slide anywhere. And I love it except upstairs. I tried to slide upstairs. Let me do that. So not like if you're just going downhill or anything, just like across the slide horizontally, okay, if you run and then. Finally the child slide rules in play. That's the really pixel jn. Oh my God. Do you find it harder than for nine puppetry? Chelsea didn't like I said, I didn't like nine I guess that. I can see the problems that you're having. It's just like the games go a lot faster. But I didn't know what was happening. I waved someone's very confusing the games, go faster. I do agree. We played. I played a bunch last night. Actually, I think we played six matches in a couple of them ended in two minutes. But one of them lasted eighteen second-place born at that time, though, I was outside the bubble and trying to make it back and have no health own crawling like up good. Thank you. I think I'm gonna stick to training. I wanted to get better at it. I wanna play more, but I'm going to stick to trading mode because I should not be allowed to be on a team and let people down that that. Oh, relying on me. Don't work. Good simone. I should just download it on my PS four that would. And that way suffer with me too. I haven't played it or download it. We'll play right? I would hate. I I yeah. I I feel like the problems that I still have like that. I find it muddier dec- people any of those other games like pudgy. It was not as hard to spot people this game the people the characters like the same color as most of the landscape. I also have a lot of trouble seeing people. And that that's the thing that overwatch is so good at is everyone has a darn color, and you can see them. And yeah, I actually also had a lot of trouble with pudgy like so many times when you were streaming on awful squad, everyone it'd be like he's right there. He's right there. And I'd be like, I I am looking there it, I don't see anything. There is nothing there. Don't have your gamer is. So actually going back real quick to saying I paid this game. In would never play it. I really do like pumpkin fortnight. But do you feel like since this is based on time faller sort of related to tighten fall? And that's a game. I do not like at all do you feel like it, definitely leans more onto that side in terms of the design of it. Or if you're just like, I like, pumpkin fortnight, I do not care about Titanfall or most shooters would I still be potentially into this. I mean, if you don't like why do you like pudgy because it's silly. I think it's I think it's definitely because those two are much sillier. Yeah. I feel like this is less silly. It doesn't feel like very it. Doesn't feel like call of duty though. It doesn't feel like macho more. Yeah. It feels it has a nice sort of roundedness to it my emotions of. But it's also very skill based. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe I should just read guides. Probably ghankay. I mean seriously, though, I do I kind of at this point. I'm like, okay. I'm tired of sucking. I. I wanna get good song. Anyway, Karen, thank you for joining us. Thank you so much for housing. They if you if you could recommend one of your pieces of writing to our listeners, what would it be ever doesn't house we own following? From. Writing before polygon doesn't count from elementary school. So my book report from the fifth grade. Who I Don. Well, entertainment just published a lot of what to look for a lot of spring entertainment guides. So I'd say if you're having trouble picking a TV show or a movie or something streaming on Netflix to watch we have just the ticket for you on polygon dot com slash entertainment. When he what do you recommend? What is there? Anything exciting like the youth recommend on net flicks. 'cause we talk about look stuff all the time. Ooh on Netflix. Sorry, no Russian dolls, really good. That has been out for a little while though. So expect people may have already seen. It paddle ten is pretty good. If you like paddle tins. The Ray Romano movie. It is not the bear. Although I believe Paddington is on that flicks. Is it I I am sixty five percent. Sure. Keep talking while. I. Paddington to should have been nominated at the Oscars this year. But we can't have everything also go see alita Paddington is not on Netflix. Netflix. It's on HBO go and now, right? If you have either those. Yes, I watched the incredible is to that is finally net flix. Yeah. On HBO GO now, but it's not on net. Flicks. 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Episode #319  Alita: Battle Angel LIVE

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Episode #319 Alita: Battle Angel LIVE

"Hey everyone Off Weeks we'd normally deliver you one of our patented a very long minis, a patented pipe hot piece podcast. Yet, that's a lot of peas there. I call them maxine minis. Piece of podcast. But now we're going to give you a really pickled piece of podcast. From long ago, and we've been selling Dan sell it hype and make it sound desirable. We Bryant it for your pledge Hey I mean like you don't like pickles Elliott. This is something we should dive into I do like pickles but how many how many products when they're being hyped up are described as pickled? Well pickles is the number one like we are doing family feud know it'd be show me pickles in that would be number I am a board, but it's it's rare that when a movie comes our song, they're like, Hey, get ready for this old thing from the vaults it's been pickled. So we packed this we packed this in salt so it would last the winter and now we're going to dump it on your plate. Okay. Well, the point is This is coming right after the maximum fund drive has technically ended. The technical end of the drive was one day prior to the release of this. But you know we are a bunch of rule breakers. We think this basically counts as part of the drives if you WANNA go to maximum and also not just basically counts but there is a grace period after the official end of the drive we should service. Go to maximum fun. Dot Org slash join, and you will becoming a new or upgrading member. It's not just you don't have to petition them that the fought said it's okay. It'll happen. Yeah. Elliot there. You know you could become a member maximum plan at any time during the year normally when there there's a grace period because we're trying to reach sort of target but there is a target this year to pandemic and other associated disruptions in our lives. So wait a minute I have a target so. We're very close to reaching it that target your heart. and. It's a hard target. Very hard target because you've got very hard heart, he's a hard hearted man. Yeah. So you've gotta take a chance. Boo drew on dance hard target. Guys. Recipes Wolford grimly. What a man. Target hard targets star. What a must findlay a man, a mustache oats Panama you. The great thing about that is it's not a panel drove. Up It's not I mean, everybody's made a joke. But when I found out that Welford primly pass away. Obviously I was sad. and. Then I saw that he passed away at the age of eighty five and I'm like. What? Wasn't he eighty five my whole life. was like forty, nine or fifty when cocoon was. Canoeing? Canoe Wayne Levi. Young. So. Did did somebody did somebody? Did somebody like fashion Wolford grimly out of clay and as Paul Rudd normally would have gotten older. He just stayed the same age Wolfer Bruma got older. You're right Wilford Brindley and Paul Rudd are in Dorian Gray type situation. Yes. All of Paul writes age and sins was were heaped onto for Bramley yeah. Forgot. The sins part? That's that's the crazy part of that. It's also the sins. It's not just the age it's imagine doing gray was like. Himself building, break his portraits bones, and then he just walk away and go see around poetry. Poetry guys what what normally happens to many's is what is happening to this introduction to this live episode? The point of what we're trying to say is as a thank you to all who gave to the Max. Fund drive. Supporting US and as a final encouragement to those who may be still on the fence, we how we are taking this opportunity to release one of our live shows one of the best of our live shows I think the the shows we didn't Boston were very good and we've been hanging onto these for God knows what reason. But now we are releasing them into the wild if they come back to us, they love us. and. This one is the alita battle Angel episode where. We learn of my ported love for back story, which is not actually a thing that exists but has been referenced several times on the show despite this episode not having come up before. Now let's let the listeners make that judgment when they listen to tapes. Yeah. I'm looking forward to Dan and lists one and being like Oh my God. They've been right all along time to make amends to my two friends Stuart Elliott who I have slandered all this time. So if you wouldn't mind while listening to step sewed, why don't you become a battle angel of your own and go to maximum fun dot org slash join the battle of course, being the battle against podcasters. Not. Making enough to keep their podcasts going in the angel being you an angel investor who has decided to give us upwards of one hundred thousand dollars who knows per month. And from you So you can. There's lots of there's lots of good levels that you can donate ad from his little five dollars a month to as much as I mean if you're going to offer us one hundred, thousand dollars a month, we're not GONNA, turn it down, I the the prizes stop at a certain level, but you can keep going if. You want but we really appreciate it. We are as always very humbled that. So many of our listeners have decided to show us their appreciation This has been a really great Max von drive. We know again as we've said, many times, this is a hard time for everybody a hard target time now for Wilford rimless family, but for all of us and we appreciate. Every ounce of support. We've gotten from you guys and gals and also non binary. Identifying people who listeners you've been really really. Wonderful to us and we hope you enjoy this episode for now on this episode, we discuss a leader Battle Angel Live and Boston Massachusetts. Too much we were in danger breaking the Fire Code, but you guys are doing great. I have to admit I'm guilty of egging them on a little bit. said that as if it was. All. Right Boston is famous for its eggs. Hey everyone and welcome to the flop pouts Dan McCoy. Oh I'm Stuart Wellington over here. Elliott Kaelin at the end of the table table. Is this Dan where are we? What's going on? What's happening? I mean we're in Boston as Stewart said literally moments before. Whether in person or on the PODCAST, you would have heard I was best for people who like they started the podcast playing and then they were like I got to use the bathroom I'll just let it play on I'll miss the theme song and they didn't hear the part where he said in. Boston. Okay. People who start the PODCAST and they're like I, want the movie. To be a surprise, they put fingers in their ears and they go. Yeah, I saw it doesn't. That's the exact sound that counteracts the sounds of our voice. It doesn't it's. A study study done at MIT. Regional Place. Dan. What do we do on this podcast joined normally pander about mit where's this something? We don't usually deal. I don't know about your personal on the show I've never heard you him mit we are in Boston we are doing a live show. Where we talk about a bad movie that we watched or maybe not so bad. We'll see at the end of the night we watched a legal battle angel. That's right. We're GONNA be here all night everybody until hash out whether this was a good movie or not locked doors. They know. Episode. Something, about coffee and credit my pants own stamps dot com. Cats. Guys where are you from? Would you dad do for a living? What? What is it Lauren like me? Just sitting I love Stewart. took notes on now I did. So the movie begins with a logo, a production company, Logo Yeah we're digging waiting. No one loves production company LOGO IS MORE THAN Stuart Wellington. Is that it looks like the Twentieth Century Fox logo, but it's slightly different. That's right because it's twenty six, th century. Fox. This isn't your daddy's Fox logo note it's your great. Great great great great grandson or daughters Fox logo. Unless you're unless you're daddy's James Cameron in which case it would be. Okay. So he was king the conqueror and brought it back from the future to you. But there's only one guy who's daddy is king the conqueror, and that's that Weirdo who messed with Captain Marvel I don't like him. Let's talk about how many. Brought them up on the first of. The year is two, thousand, five, hundred, sixty, three year of our Lord. It is three years. Angel. Okay yeah sure. It is three hundred years after the fall. Of course, not after the fall of Lucifer which happened much much worse. After the movie, the fall Elliott's one of my favorites or is this a legend of the fall? As I think we've already covered it might be three hundred years after the last ever fall climate change everybody. Days get it either like you did that as injured by speaking the idea I've made it appear. That everybody. So we opened on a giant heap that is underneath a floating city, and we see a scientist digging through that scrap and he finds A. Half of. Lady Robot. Woman robot head and Neck area the the US it's still alive and he hoisted up in the air and. It's kind of like title card right even though we don't have a title card this like the opening shots. Scientist scientists is a fellow named Edo. He's played of course by Christoph Waltz, who was a fine actor he's fine. Student had a lot of Anti Christoph Waltz words what we were watching it. He's fine. Wire Lad I said he's fine. Why are you? So like like pugilist Belligerent with the audience about Christoph Waltz you afraid they're going to rush the being belligerent with you. Okay. texting him. So he takes this living robot back to his house and he and his assistant build a body for this robot. She wakes up and checks Oliver Nashville thing when you find a head, she wakes up home. Scientists and you find a robot's head, you would probably take it home you. Now. You've been opened up an interesting question. Now I have to put myself in the situation of robotics scientists in the future Okay Christoph Waltz you can play that role. Yeah. Okay. I'm thinking I want a very deserved Academy Award and then the not quite as deserved other academy award for playing kind of the same character he's fine he's great. then. Okay I'm digging through a trashy. It's the future it's like wally but live action floating city. You don't see that every day except you do these days because it's the future and I found this thing this is weird. It's like a person's head better call the police no wait it's got wires coming out of it's a robot's head. If you only knew knew how to build robots wait a minute I. Know How to build robots yeah. I think I would take it on. All right well. I Guess, I'VE BEEN SCHOOLED So. This young robot wakes up in a little kids room and starts examining our bodies. She goes she rushes downstairs she's fed and orange what her blankets as if to that she has all the parts or maybe just her legs. It was weird. It's a little weird. I'm not a robot. So. She talks with Ito Neto starts to fill in the blanks with a robot would say. It is except the robot would have been like I'm not a robot beep. BOOP. Give me some oil dudes maybe saving the Beep boop for later. So Ito begins to fill in the blanks her any also, she doesn't remember anything. She doesn't even have a name. Of course, he jumps up that opportunity names her ALITA and we're like, whoa. Did you already have that sitting there in the front of your memory by any at this point? It's clarify that like she has a human brain right which I guess was somehow preserved in the junk keep that she was in her magic. Let's talk a little bit about this world. Up Stewart stood up he's going to school this audience how I don't know on what actually I don't want to spend too much time talking about the design of this robot is clearly digitally enhanced. She has very accentuated features you might call her a brattle angel. You're. Welcome. Scattered applause. So she's she striking saying that she has large is in her head. Her eyes are digitally larger than a person's is would be and which is at first unnerving but you get used to. It's like if you met at Disney princess on the street at first to be like book. Is Take two thirds of your head but overtime is you got to know or maybe fall in love with her you'd come to not just get used to intolerate that but come to love it as something that special to her and only her in her race Disney princesses. And eventually it'd be like you know what? I just hope that my children get this when they're born and when they do, they'll have one regular I and one giant Disney princess I and you're like, no, it's the worst of all possible combinations. What do you do this to US Gregor Mendel. The college students in the audience. Again. We don't have much time. Okay. So She's named Alita she wanders around with Edo as he introduces her to this place iron city part of the scrap heap that is underneath a floating city called Zalam which is kind of like this beautiful paradise in the clouds that they all wished they could be part of, but instead they live in iron city, which is actually pretty nice. I city supposed to be like kind of this junk yard slum but to be honest, it's like it's an as bright as a commercial. It's like the part of Brooklyn, that is most of the way gentrified but totally gentrified and so the back in the background. Do you have like a few people who have robot parts and they look really future Slorc Brooklyn Yeah. Then you've got mostly people would like t shirts and jeans who are just kicking it walking around there a great sidewalk cafes I'm sure there's a used bookstore. Oh I'm sure. Yeah. There's the there's a lot of crowd shots in this movie where you'll see it'll be just like a guy in a regular jersey, just like hanging out watching motor, but we'll get to that. So she's he gives her quite an info explains all about this situation he introduces her to a young handsome scam named Hugo. WHO's like your regular Urchin right? A regular urgent boy drives a red alert in. Se spiny his eggs are delicious. A lot of WHO MOMMY Drives them arised UNICYCLE just like Brooklyn. To be. Honest. or he wears a top hat and encourages you to pick pockets. That's the other the other kind of urgent action. Basically, he's real basic bitch. He's like he's like he's like a handsome little bit bad boy who sells robot parts and yeah. Rides that motorized UNICYCLE. Yeah. Yeah. And we're like we're also introduced that the only police force in this town or these like giant robot things called centurions. We're introduced to a character named Chiron I believe who is a medical professional? WHO IS EGOS EX wife? And they talk a little bit about how they lost a child. They lost a daughter together. What what was? What was her name? Wait a minute Her name was also a leader what a coincidence what a strain this must be pretty common name. It's not at all weird as name a robot. And what and what? I, don't know about how people deal with trauma. What other surprisingly common profession do we learn about? We learn about the hunter warriors is that what you're talking about? Yes, I believe. So so in lieu of police force, if people commit crimes of I guess a pretty extreme nature there they wanted poster and then people can take out a contract to go and murder them and trump had make money like the bounty. The money is only collectible with death and you take your head to a little talking soda can robot who was like why are you here gets? The most wizard of Oz moments in the whole movie and that you drop the head in a slot and they're like your credits like that's pretty much it. Do you think people have like you know like how old cartoons they have like a little slug that they put him on string? Yeah and like get get sodas that way like people have like a head on a string they pull the head back out they like people getting credit on one head for. Me Yeah I mean I'm not from the twenties? I mean with a head over. Yes. Yes. I. Have had on a string. Yes. Trying to get a yes this. Here's that you need to know about Dan he's the only one of the three of us was at Improv training I think and yet he never yes, hands. because. Frankly, the things you say are absurd. Say. Hey you're right. I Apologize. So. So. Ito is talking to Chiron who is played by who is wife and she's played by Jennifer Connelly and she's great and she is apparently trying to buy her way into solemn, which is Edo doesn't believe as possible. And she's trying to buy her way through the help of fellow named vector who runs motorable. Tellers. Information here, Wade through it all we also learn of a dude named Sapan Pan and we learn about that. There's no guns sounds Kinda nice actually. And more about the hunter with guns thing will. Will make more sense of what happens later, which is all the weapons seemed to be either sword based or change that people throw it people bay. Yeah. It's like an entire world that only knows samurais and ghost rider. Man. That's pretty cool. So, Lee goes running off through the streets and she bumps into our pal Hugo who he and his pals or playing a game called Motor Ball, which involves riding around on rocket powered. Roller rocket powered is a bit much motorized. Pushing a button in their hand and shoots him around how motor ball compared to say a rollerball. It's pretty similar their role I, mean there's a ball and they roll and there's only one robot that I know of involved. But later on, there's a Lotta robot. So did I to your question. Case, close counselor so we get. A little bit of a romantic courtship because elite it clearly from the first moment she laid her giant is on him is in love with Hugo I mean he's a dream boat and he kind is interested in her but you know he's a little. He's also kind of like the first non dead do. Imprint point nine. By a little bit. So she sees him she goes. Want Yeah And that all I mean that kind of drives her narrative for the rest of the movie, but we'll get them. So she she rides around she is much better at motorable than anyone else. And she let's see what other things do we learn. We learned that there's somebody going around iron city murdering people She suspects that it's her father because he's covered in blood at one point. I mean come on who isn't? It's inside all of us are. Usually stays inside. Covering, June line I guess. It's Like, you just spring a leak and it just gets on, you like a pen broke or something. So Ito, Don's a Ito dons the garb of. What we will later learn to be a hunter warrior, which is a cool black leather duster and a giant like preachers. And he's got this enormous unwieldy reaper I mean hasn't been a rocket powered hamry yet hammer. That's like basically like the size of like Ronin the accusers hammer. Chris Waltz like walking around with him like a normal dude it's crazy like. If you were going to a store and you're like. Up Into, go like kill evil cyborgs you think you would choose something that you could like. We'll the easel something that wasn't twice your height exactly so that you could get it through doorways like let's say this year one, hundred killer the you know there's a bounty on a guy. Enter. Warrior. One Hundred Warrior Sorry Dino belies did. You. You have bounty on a guy who's like four stops away local. And You You know what? You'RE NOT GONNA make it there in time if you walk. You're going to have to take the train haning at that things the doors the doors keep closing your big site hammer everyone on the train is like come on? Can we speed it up? Let's go guys. It reminds me of a time. On. The New York City subway a crowded train and do. The Actual city. Own. Turn he'll. Turn. The Guy. Brought on an entire. Entire bookcase made out of. Those. Erector set type, metal visas. took up a lot of space and this other guy standing next to him was going, Hey, what do you think of pal come on? What are you doing? Hey, and Was One of the Ninja Turtles. The next up the heckler got off and he goes this is going to be the best part and as he walks off the train I hear him say, Hey, check out the numb nuts with the shelves. And that is New York in a nutshell. Hype man his own closing remarks pieces. This is going to be the best part and he was getting the most joy out of announcing to the people who are about to get on the train that there's some idiot a numb nuts in his word a man who's nuts have no feeling. They are numb whether through cold or nerve damage I, don't know. To the point that it's affected his thinking and he doesn't know that it's stupid to bring a whole set of shelves onto a crowded subway train, and so I would say to Christoph Waltz try a smaller weapon. So Unindicted earns totally honor. The weapon model. So yeah, it turns out that Elisa's fears were for not because her father figure Ito is not a murderer. No, he just kills people as a Hunter Warrior and she interrupts his attempt to catch some pray which is a bunch of all metal people with human faces. And they have a cool fight and she kills them all and has a kills all but one of them and has this triggered memory where she's on the moon and she's fighting people and jumping around and it's crazy. And then the she's obviously some kind of battle but she's clearly a battle but she kicks the arm off Comedy Central Metalbox. She's just like a flat disc with one saw. Bumping into a wall over and over again, well, the play by play announcers try desperately to make it seem entertaining. Now, how does she feel about yanking cranks? Here's the thing she is pro cranking when it's done by a puppet or artificial humor. Me Puff biological human. Defensive. Tricks out anyway Stewart. By the way if anyone has seen any cranks that are in need of Yanqing contact comedy Central Care Viacom Entertainment. CARE. Of Dan McCoy. Coming. Back for some reason. Better what better time for? Frank. Call Show than an era where nobody picks up their phone if they don't recognize the number. It's only out for it. Someone caller ID says, Cranky Hank. Be Right it says of puppet pick it up at this at this point every time I answer a call Mike Crank is being yanked by someone who wants to sell me some sort of vehicle insurance who vehicle I don't own so. I've been yanked Sydney what. I've been yanked identical. For the Yankees it's me my caller ID says. Tom Murphy for the yanked. Sorry you're saying Stuart. So when I was saying is. There's one giant weird looking robot named. Gra Wis Kerr. Wish wish gut who gets his arm kicked off and he's like, Oh, I'll never forget you and then jumps down a whole this. Is going to continue to do is get his ass handed to them, and then you'll wish will remember this and run away. Okay. So at this point. We then cut back into a beautiful high rise where we see Victor and Kyran having a conversation vector, of course, play by Mahershala, Ali and other oscar-winner. Stacked cast by past is very good I. Mean Four movie with big budget. They could afford great actors and he has a performance we'll get to later in the movie that I think is a genuinely great scene house part. So grow go shows up arms been kicked off. He ain't happy about it. He's like I'm going to kill the leader. Meanwhile all of a sudden. He starts acting weird and it appears like he is being controlled by someone else and we're introduced to yet another character named, Nova? That's it. Your eyes go blue and Nova can control you. Can Control Vector. Okay. I. Guess. The big bad guy and everybody can't stop talking about leader. ALITA and Hugo go on a date to the motor all stadium where a bunch of robots right around on a track and break each other and try and carry a ball somewhere. The ball is not that important. Now when when you say robots I, just WANNA clarify they are mostly cyborg human heads but entirely robot bodies and their arms have like big blades and buzzsaws which makes me wonder whether these guys doing when it's not motorable time like. What what are they doing with all those buzzsaws when he's not time to fight do you think they stick their head on a different body like? Normally when I'm not motor balling, I like my head to be on a gardener pot body. Yeah. Maybe I could see that. I like to be in a body that's a saw blade or just like a like a triangle of would that can flip Over. You're saying so they get more battle body. Five away those streets are tough. Elliott. By the way for anyone who did not watch leader before the show. Having watched the leader I flash on when Stewart is telling about the movie to this must be how anyone who does not care about science fiction feels when someone tries to explain the science fiction thing. Because, then vector is in charge of the motor ball league goes like Oh God just stop it. Whatever whatever you're selling the meal by. Reminds me of the time Tom, broke I wouldn't stop talking to me about doing. Elliot here's the gist of the story. It's a tale of Paulo trade. Young air to house train days. And how he manages to win the war for Iraq is now by dominating the planet but by losing himself in the culture of the freemen, it's spelled Freeman, and so for quite some time I thought it was. And Now? The interesting thing about the book all of it is interesting. Tom Is. We have another showed. All be happy to tell them about doing as well. Hits Stu. Take it away. So. Hugo, as a conversation with vector at the Motor Ballerina and vector gets him and his crew of buddies to don masks and attack a another motor ball guy and chop off his arm. So they can get his precious grind cutter. We'll be seeing more of that later just like he can. He like blades at the end of chains that he has like finger chain blades that fly out his fingers turned into chain. BLAZEK. Fly Out. I mean everybody knows what a grind cutter. Sorry, I'm sorry I. Forgot I forgot this Boston. Grind cutters kind of sandwich. So. Yeah. They'd like like jump this dude and chop is arms off it's really messed up. Okay, the next day. Hugo and his friends including. Alita go on a date into the badlands where they find an earthworm warship that has been crash-landed. Now you're probably wondering what's this earn? Stuart's talking about the whole time Dan was like, tell me more about earn. Worm squirm. This is a big argument we had during the thing because becomes clear that Alita is one of these earn. Like, the United Republic of Mars. Yeah. They're the ones. Yeah. Erm Dude not the ones that Earth was fighting led to the fall and I'm like all through the movie I'm like this is GonNa be addressed at some point right that she's one of these earn this is going to happen like it's going to run flicked. Because as I was saying Dan, it's like he was watching star. Wars and Luke says you fall with my father in the clone wars and Dan was like, why won't they stop and tell me more about the clone wars I'm enjoying this adventure? History lesson would make sense if luke had fought in the clone wars and they never mentioned it again, our main cared about this your heart of the inmate combatants and it's never address. So you're Dan. Okay. Let's say this. Let's say we're less than three hundred years from the Revolutionary War Boston and let's say. Let's say out of hibernation up British soldier a Tory or somewhat appeared would people would be like get the fuck Outta here dude, we fought you away. Hey, what's your hair skin cap? They'd be like, Hey, what's going on? You know what? Else? Three hundred year also. was from another planet and there were the last one how `bout that Elliott I'd WanNa meet them even more Dan. So this is what you're saying you are you are William Goldman. Watching the big Lebowski and going I can't wait to see this bowling championship. What I'm saying. I just want one line addressing like either like Oh, you know what I wasn't earned, but like your earthquake have converted me or. Being. I forget what the other thing is I don't care. The point is we were watching it and we argue about and it was the like the closest I've come to actually angry at I. Thought I thought Dan was going to quit the show. He was so mad that I did not agree with him and that there should have earned talk was. comically dismissed above me, Dan the thing is you're not the only person who's interested in the stuff because Alita is also interested. As she sneaks aboard the ship and finds a robot body which we learn as a berserk her body and ultimate killing machine body which her father is like I'm not putting your fucking hit on that thing that's. Look If if my son came to me and said, Hey, I found this cool robot monster body will you put my brain in? It'd be like, no. When you turn eighteen, what you WANNA do with your body, your business. But as long as you live under my roof, you are not putting your brain in a monster body. Again to be fair, you're primarily known for Reading for the daily show writing for mystery science theater the upcoming soon. You're not really known for putting brains in anybody's that's true. I would also say I'm not qualified to do this work. You know when you turn eighteen if you want me to do it, I will do my best because I love you and respect your life choices when you turn eighteen. Okay. If you want body MoD yourself like crazy get one of those lizard tongues I don't know when you're eighteen and I'll litas basically teenagers. So she runs off puts on a coolest duster. Goes to. She goes to the Hunter Killer Academy or wherever the fuck it is like a church like the city hall and also the building where victor has his offices it's the one nice skyscraper in town. So she goes there and she signs up she becomes a hunter warrior. And then she and you Hugo and toe head to a bar called Kansas bar. I don't know why that's filled with hunter warriors a including a fellow named Japan who has a human face and a little metal beard and a sword that lead alikes. There's also an actor. Jeff they. He is playing a bounty hunter who has a metal beard as well and a bunch of metal and he's dressed up like a cowboy. He disappears for the movie way too fast because he's fuck, fuck you WanNa Watch a movie about him. I mean, it's hard to see a character who is a cyborg sheriff with cyborg dogs in your movie and not be like we found the star of the movie everyone. The same way that in bright that sent tour mounted policeman cop shows up and you're like finally the movie and then he just walks off screen or whatever. So elite it goes there and she antagonist all the Hunter Warriors. She's like you gotTa help me find this guy grew wish. And they're like who he's not there's not even a bounty on his head and she's like somebody who's protecting him. They don't care. It's a weird moment. She's like who stands with me in this fight like I don't even know what the fight is and I've been watching you since you woke up like. So. Ito shows up as well, and then of course, grew wisha shows up and just like Jason X. Eaten upgrade because he's got a grind cutter for an arm and his body is painted slightly different and he uses grind cutter to kill the only really cool character in the movie. That's right. The tiny little dog who follow the leader you don't see that's off camera, but it's still sad you leaders alita takes it well by smearing the bulldogs blood space outer. Yes. She takes the dog's blood and smear center is like put me in coach. So she she's like, okay gross goliath battle and he's like I got this new thing and they're like, wow, and then he. He opens a hole in the ground I'll remember you always jumps in the whole and she's like well, I'm coming after you dude, and then he tells you the story about how he was like down at me like he lives in the hole and he loves being a whole. And this this dude no found him and brought him out of the whole like cool. So they battle and lead area that's entirely accurate by the way. It's pretty much the story tells. Chase, they're throwing these fingers at her I just realized. Grisha. Here's a common cultural reference. It's overkill the CYBORG with a human head from spawn. Okay done now it looks like so she's running away from these fingers heaps matter and eventually she's like I'm done running I'm going to beat you up. So she jumps at him and doing this cool corkscrew thing that's part of her cyborg martial arts called Panzer Kunst I forgot to mention that but it's okay. She's blind through the air. There's all these fingers flying at her and all of a sudden her body just comes apart because she got caught in the razor fingers like lead is dead movies going to be over not so fast because she throws herself up in the air and punches him in the eyeball and breaks her own armone ads pretty. He's torso with one arm itchy lands on that arm, and like holds herself up and then just like. Like I use. Physical for the people at home. Yeah I used to. Own In street fighter three strike was cool because he was able to fight against guys like review and all those guys with only one arm but she doesn't even have legs. It's crazy. Okay. So our bodies totally destroyed Ito takes Ernie's like I. Guess I got only one option and he sticks her head in the preserved body which conforms to like the shape that she wants I guess because it's full of nano machines or something. There's there's a whole. There's a whole fake made up science thing with her brain is psychically changing it to her image Nanno boss and it's like you just have to. Waltz looking at the lines in the script coming like how do I make this word? ACT This nonsense gibberish I'm gonNA fight back against Elliott's libel want more like Gibberish Exposition, which is to say, said it with your own mouth You wanted more talk about this three hundred year ago war that no one cares about I. It's a character thing I wanted to character, but the point is. I'm. About the earn. I think one of the best movies I think of last year or was that earlier this year of the favorite they don't even tell you what war she's fighting, and that was a real war. They could've filled you with Spanish Spanish succession facts and yet they said, we don't need it. This is a story about the characters, not about the actually an accurate analogy, but anyway, the point is. I would like for the people who are staying for both shows. God bless you and God Gel of last year the Second Gel. And you'RE MANIACS BUT Like Godzilla movie movie where they waste way way way too much time on like science gibberish you would like to visit the same plague upon the House of Alita I'm saying that like by and large elite is very good at being like I dunno Nanna machines whatever, and then we just keep on rolling. That's true. So we saw in this new body leader seems to be a little more confident. She wears cooler outfits. She flashdance shirt that's off on shoulder. Yeah and she like she and Hugo kind of, I, don't want to say consummate their romance but they like kiss and touch and it's cool. Is this when she's Sitting here. I. Clearly state L. She is way too good for. It's clear from the beginning that he's trash and she is a smash. You did you write that down before the show did not but I should have come up with a better rhyme. Okay. so as I said before everybody can't stop talking about lead if she's not onscreen, people are talking about her and so vector is talking about and he's like I need to kill. alita nobody wants to do it. So he decides to put the squeeze on Hugo who works for him chopping up robots to do something we don't know exactly what but he believes that if he gives vector enough money, he'll be able to buy his way in his AAC. Me Buys Way into heaven. It's crazy and we know that silly everybody multiple people have this same fantasy. If they pay this guy enough money, they'll get to go up and live in Heaven I. Mean it's it's a fantasy that many real life people have which is crazy because the heaven book they read is exceedingly clear that that is not the way to get into heaven and. Maybe they got a secret handbook that says money money money please. So alita wakes Hugo up who is sleeping off a hangover and he's looking pretty smoking I guess shirt off trail everything. So she is sitting in his window sill like a bird of prey and they come they hatch a scheme together. She's like here you can just sell my heart and he's like four a rare moment he's like wait a minute. I'M NOT GONNA. Sell your robot heart. Let's find a different way and she's like I'll just kill a bunch of people for you and you can take the money. It's like, no, no no. Why don't you earn the money for both of us by playing motor ball and we the audience are like Fook Yeah. I make it clear. I'm not asking for more exposition Elliott. But. This movie does bring up a lot of stuff about human robot relationships that is not. Does Not make. Dan Dan kept saying throughout the movie or watching it. How do they have sex? Dan, they've got the same thing when I was watching cars. And I'll tell you the same thing I said about cars they have attachments for that. Right. So. Sean check my notes you were you were you wanted to see and where she says warning to anyone who's listening with children you wanted to see where she says. She System Hugo, I can only do stuff. And that scene and also let me tell you about cleared up a lot for me. Go, let me go over the sex rules for me. Also here's what erm was all about how I feel about it. Anyway I guess we don't have time for me to play motor ball anymore. DVD with the deleted scenes alley about? So ALITA suits up to place a motorable. Meanwhile, vector is setting her up. He's got a team of people to murder her instead of worrying about the ball which seems to be everybody's case. Her father though disapproving her and gives you some cool roller skate feet. Meanwhile, while she's riding around the track receiving phone calls from everybody. Hugo goes. This, you go to find his. scrapper crew and they're rip the arms and legs office in poor. Guy. And a rival bounty. Hunter Warrior Za Pan who was made fun of and mocked for his little metal beard. She's at the Super Cool Sword Yup, he shows up he. Frames Hugo for murder and then kills Hugo's friend and chases him around. Alita finding out that Hugo's in trouble leaves. The Motor Ball track kills a bunch of motorbikes people. It's pretty cool. And she shows up Save Hugo for a second and then. Pan The evil hunter warriors like you gotTa Kill Hugo he's he's a criminal there's a bounty on his head, and of course, she can't do that because she loves him. So as a pain just stabs him which Dan's like what did you happen to lead on? He's like just take care of it. Before he kills them just kills a pan and I was like Dan. It's raining process like everybody has to wash their free leader is mad guy who's going to stab him it's Dan is so falling for the trap the movie has said, I was like Dan your reacting exactly the way. This movie is busted and I'm like you're bust Dan. You're having exactly what the movie wants you to do. You're a puppet or the move. Believe ahead only listened to me through the movie. None of the sad stuff would have happened is the guy in the movie theater who's yelling don't go in there. Not knowing that if the character takes his advice, the movie is over and the boys on sense of wonder Sir. So, interrupts. You I tell their sense of wonder about what happened in the war. And if you were wondering about what's happened to Hugo now that he's been stamped leader carries them off and then she runs into Kyran shows up for some reason and surgically removes he goes head and connects his head elitist heart which I think symbolism guys. But that allows that allows alita to reveal to the robots that she chopped his head off and they're like Oh bounty accumulated, and then the evil hunter warriors like. Wait what what, and he tries to stop her and the robots are like Oh. You can do whatever you want to this dude, and she's like thanks and takes his sword and shops half his face off. And she keeps his sword. Okay. Boom we're almost done. homestretch. Okay. So alita goes after vector. And then grew wish go shows up she just totally smokes it means a total WIMP. And Vectors Logo I. Hope I have another robot but also hold it also I know what you hate but it also turns out that Jennifer Connelly who wanted to get up to the sky. Has Been Harvested for Oregon's apparently that's the only way you can actually get and she that she was supposed to turn in Alita to get there but in fact. Her being a mother herself. Once upon a time, she couldn't do it. She has turned on her evil captors and now had her Oregon's pulled out of her. Brain energy. Vector keeps them in a case in his office in. My brain leader is fighting all these bad guys on the ground floor and vectors like what do I do and then Alita bursts through the ceiling and it was like, did she run up all the stairs? He's like you might think that with the name like Victor, I would understand angles. Math. So. Yeah. So she murders that robot and then like all of a sudden vector starts talking with Nova's Voice Nova the big bad remember and he starts talking some SAS and she says his back and then eventually she stabs him in the belly and then we get a great Mahershala Ali has to play a guy whose body is dying but is controlled by someone. It's pretty cool. His body is dying but he has the voice and personality of this confident villain taunting the hero and I was like this is really this is really good work that the what he's doing here not a joke. So so many turns out he's a great actor I dunno guys. Heard about this I don't know now I gotta go see Moonlight. So we? We find out that in his dying I guess not dying moments, but Nova has sent robots after. After, Hugo who in fact isn't Ted he's been intentional robot and Hugo has gone running off and we learned that Hugo is to me a pipe to the sky. Yeah. He's trying to climb his way Zala. There's these big space elevator cables up solemn and. There earlier, we have saw flashback where Alita over does that the there's elitist fighting her way up the cables dissolve them, and there's like a big spinning blade that comes down cutting things up and now he goes climbing up there. Hitting don't do dude news like I'll do whatever I want and. The giants stunning PGA came back. The giant spinning blade comes flying down and he's like I can jump over this super easy nuts faster and he gets chopped into little pieces. She jumps after him she catches him but his arm breaks and he falls and turns out there's nothing funnier than seeing a limbless head. Like. Waving, not in not endorsed, this opinion is not the rest. I'm making fun of any real thing that is making. I'm thinking making fun of a robot man who has been chopped up with falling. This is not gonNA age well in our post team. What have I done? So alita survives and she vows vengeance. She's GonNa find a way to solemn and the only way she can do it is by. Playing more mobile. So she shows up to the Motor Ball Stadium. She does some she strikes opposed. She points her sword at the floating city and on the floating city we see why Nova was so confident that's right because he's played by Edward Norton. With the white mullet. Interesting. How fully putting like little little steam punt glasses and a bleach job on Edward. Norton. Not until he takes. The Shit I'm an FBI original incredible not not at all Dan. Not at all. Not at all, he's not even original. Incredible Hulk in the movies Dan as Eric Bana. Lou Ferigno pretty predates both of them. I knew that would anger you. Now, I know what? It's like when someone doesn't tell me enough about her. And there clearly setting this movie up for a sequel. So now, this is where we close the book on a leader Colon. Paddle. Leather. It was based on books books that I read some of in preparation for this. And whether you learn from those, let's talk about final judgments. Now, this where we make final judgments on whether this was a good movie bad movie movie we kinda liked. I, you know I like the books quite a bit. I think they're a little. There's certainly a little weirder. They're filled with a lot of cyborgs that clearly have made strong life choices. And I I kind of like the in the movie like a big part of the movies, the relationship between Hugo and Alita and they make him a little redeemable in this like he's a he's a jerk idiot. But he's not like a murderer and in in the comics he's basically a murderer and doesn't care about her at all. But her like wide I'd love for him is so like it feels so real because. Like when you're young, you're dumb and you make decisions and you you love people disagreement. But I all that aside. Yeah okay still. Does anything you WANNA talk about. Can I tell you who might guys are? So tell me about what we had at the laugh factory but we've I mean it. It's fast. There's a lot of information in there and not there's probably too much information except the stuff I don't WanNa talk about that but I mean the motor stuff's great and. The actors are fun and Christoph Waltz is fine. So I would say, I say this is a movie I liked like this. Yeah, this definitely moved guy like, yeah, the. People. I was I'll admit I was ready to go into this movie not liking it because I find the giant is so off putting. And I was like this movie's not big is what's going on. or Big Fish big fish would have big is too. or Big with Tom. Hanks. Get that much bigger when you've got big. Eyes are just kind of the same size throughout your life I guess but anyway so. But after I got over the fact that leader doesn't have a whole lot of personality at first I also really liked it in the end the I found that there are a lot of good action scenes in it. I liked some of the characters in the design work. Looks Real. Cool. Here's. and. It's any brightly colored. It's like not gray and like grim and dark looking you're not watching I don't know giant monsters fight in dark snowy saving further late show that I will say this holiday. So I, did like this movie but on GonNa, throw down the gauntlet I want you to find me a new set of ICONOGRAPHY for future cities. Let's put blade runner aside it's beautiful. It's doesn't really work for me as a movie, but it works very well a coffee table book. Let's. Let's set road warrior aside with all the letter in the spikes chains. That's great. Let's set it. Aside. I want you to think about a new vision of the future because as much as I like to lead there aside from right. Kind is a step in the right direction because at least it moves away we've had a solid thirty years of future equals Asian which is great but I've seen a lot of it. Is like future equals Africa, great I love it. Let's see more of that. But Hey, what about like a really crazy future? It's supposed to be three hundred years in the future. What in the people's phones, they don't look that cool and I know three hundred years people are GonNa have super cool phones. So Hollywood next time you make future movie thinking about how cool the phones should be. But that aside so Grenell Ceylan. For the I'm Elliot Kaelin Goodnight. Everybody Know Dan. You have to talk, right? Back could be the name of the PODCAST. Then you you have to talk. It was good. So on a scale from zero to ten earn how many Seven arms. Arms, it was like a little too convoluted a little too long but I liked it. But. Let's move on. We usually take some questions from the audience. To close out the show, we have to be a little more tight asked about like shutting it down this evening. Yeah. Keep microphone there. So we're going to need to see a mad dash scramble to get over there if your questions because we don't have a lot of time to waste fifteen minutes, we don't have a lot of time to eat up and you know what that means. We don't have time for a song tonight we don't have time for rhyme tonight we don't have time to eat limes tonight. I'm sorry there's just no time. If I had the time I'd sing you a song so loud and so long I got A. Strong. That song that we just don't have a Delta or I. Wish we had hours and hours of time I. Wish We. Hours to be together. Hey, people seem to like. Okay question number one please. My name is Carl last name withheld. Eight. One of my favorite old Flop House bits was in ATM when Elliott's made a joke about those old x-files bumpers that white the exile. By rule. Gould pretzels that guy was the quickest voice changer in the busiest and I think I mentioned arguments with my former roommate Bryan Chan who lives in Boston now about whether it was two differing you or the same guy? Yes clearly the same guy. Yes. My my favorite thing about that not only is it funny but it sort of like I thought I was the only guy in the world who remembered how weird those were. So in your life what are your favorite jokes that are extra funny because it seems like they were made for you and only you jokes that were made only us. Mike. At the time I felt like when I first started watching are you? Okay? thinking, stroll. I will say there's a there's an episode of Mystery Science Theater Thousand where Yep Great Show where? Something laps and then I think it's Bill Corbett as Kroger's Ha raceway park and those commercials that aired in my local area and I was like, how did they know about that? And every time I hear the laughter at the beginning of wipe out I always think it's the park jingle so I was telling my wife, we were this as. I was telling my wife when we were driving up, you're listening to sharp dressed man by up and every time I hear the scat lines where he's like black tie I always think it's like the Mason verger actor from the TV show Hannibal but. Of. On. I would say at the time when I saw like. Like venture brothers if felt like at the time, it felt like Oh while this made for me and then I'm like Oh wait just a boring white guy from a certain age. But like I think it was it was an episode of Rick and Morty where they had the character scary Terry you kept saying bitch all the time like Oh. Yeah. Like Lopez. He's a Freddy Kruger parody. A. Damage thinking of the joke. I don't have a good like I think that this mostly comes up with like. With pop culture, of course, as it does with. Friends like with. At or TV show friends or. Or when I'm with my brother like. Just like talking about stuff and making references to nonsense that like like. Yesterday we were basically doing lines from animal crackers verbatim. Yeah. We were talking about where they're looking in the shadow of. Sorry I. Missed that. I told you I told you my new favorite line from duck-soo which I didn't realize until I watched again recently as part of my and my son's every Marx brothers movie corner logically project ruin the bad ones right now. When chick goes on trial and they go, we're were you born and he goes I don't remember just a little baby and he says it so seriously. Yeah. It's nice to remember things with friends. Question number two. Guys Norman last name would help Bait. Scott, it exactly So ever since Elliott talked about his unpredictable produced script with Robert Moses, the bad guy. State it was called. Well, it's dead now. All right. Well, Katersky guys insight on what little known villain would make a good flop house villain and a good blockbuster villain. Little, a little like a real life villain sounds like. John Landis. Wow. Shots fired shots fired. You'll people. Legally. Proof record. I can't believe that supernatural comedy wrote about Robert. Moses never went anywhere. It wasn't just about Robert Moses. It was also about Jane Jacobs. Let's see like a real. There's so many good. I mean this is not this is not as obscure, but the I'm watching a for another podcast that John Hodgman doing for maximum fun as a donors thing we're watching night. Claudia together and unlike. It's A and I'm getting really into ancient Rome and I'm like Oh there's so many weirdoes in ancient, Rome? Like it's such a when I was young, I thought Roma so boring and now the more read about this is the craziest time there ever was everyone's a Weirdo. I'm a lot dumber than Elliott. So I'll also say, okay, Charles Gustav the man who shot James. Garfield. who was a real also a real Weirdo okay. Yeah. I'm trying to think of like history and I'm like, Oh wait I. Don't know history. So let's just say what if there are more movies about goalms? Okay I mean there've been a few. That, I guess for. Character. Okay. That's The rule of the hulk there's not. There's everyone called the Golam right. There is I don't know why you're, Berating It's what I Hope that satisfies you if it doesn't I'm sorry next question please. Hi I'm Erica last name withheld I. Was GonNa. Ask a question about the wars but since that's kind of like. Let's not let's not. Okay. Thank you. I was GONNA ask. Crystal Watson. This movie is prime. We've covered. I mean and not to dunk on him more. But he this is now the second movie that he's been in where he played a character that's involved with a character with big is. So what's all that about? He's typecast by Hollywood is this. Big. Characters. Now, I think part of it is that he kind of look like the character the characters drawn in the comics like he's got that kind of I dunno Mac tonight type. They just go get. Within I don't understand. What and they get famed actor box office draw. Ever since he teamed up with Pat Morita, he's been a box, his legend it's this. I would say, I just want to say something about Christoph Waltz here I like Christoph. Waltz a lot I. don't think he I think he's really great but for some reason. They've been putting him in roles that are just like not the right ones for him, and the fact that the main character the characters last name is Edo tells me that this you're probably be a Japanese character with the dabneys actor, not a famously Austrian actor. It's they could be like we didn't know where from. Is. He known for playing germano-austrian characters I? Don't know. So maybe wasn't right for this one behaviorist off you know what is to like you save the last waltz for me? Anything after that yeah. Ryan last name withheld is you or someone you're looking for. Young Warrior. A lot of movies become classics only a few become like midnight movie showings where you shout at the stream and there's like a shadow cast, you throw things screen and stuff. Like the room and rocky horror. What movie? That's a cult classic? Would you guys elevate to a midnight? Madness sort of thing What would you fat scream would you throw it it? Like for example, you throw like a hostess Ding Dongs at the screen during a certain scene of a certain Stewart's. Interesting I'm picking up what you're putting. I just a I just remembered that from our last live show, we had some audio problems so we should probably start repeating questions. After people ask them by the way rated time remember it Dan. Spot on. Earning. The producer credit once again. So the question or you too busy thinking about that part what would elevate a mirror. Midnight Movies Smash. What movie would would we elevate? It's kind of obvious for me. There's a little guy. He goes by the initials N. B. and he's got a little movie called fateful findings. That's right. It's the overseen. Movie is. A strange work of maniac outsider art and I think I would throw laptops at the screen. Every time he hurls his laptops off the debt we. Also, in any of the scenes where he is kissing a woman pans down in a shirt falls on the ground which signifies and his unique artistic iconography sex. I would throw his shirt at the screen. I think he beat to the punch because he doesn't let any theater screen his movies past seven pm for the exactly this. Reu. That exact revenge. Fun. Neil Breen. I don't know. I would say one of my favorite Halloween movies is movie called night of the demons and it's just great. Yeah. It's a great horror movie great movie and I feel like it'd be a blast to watch as a midnight movie where you throw candy or apples with razor blades in the screen. Here's something you can do that radio's yourself. You get them at the theater well, you have to you have to make them yourself or else you don't get the love. So that's what I would say night of the Demons Daniel. I am a big proponent of My Favorite Zombie film is return of the Living Dead which is you know popular amongst horror comedy folk but not necessarily like huge in the world even not on the F. I list. Yeah. I was looking at best bad horror movie lists because I was like going to do a screening of some bad movies and they're all these lists with like movies that are clearly meant to be tongue in cheek and that was one of them on there and made me very angry. But return of the Living Dead Punk rock version of Asami film and I think you should throw merck the Americans and we both have the same. Merck in honor of the scene where I am Merkin. By. Them in the fucking. Lawman Elliott you've got to commit I. Guess That's true. Go to the Merkin. Warehouse. I'm sure sure it's Merkin DOT com. GO DOWN TO MARKET I. I. Don't know. Maybe. Doing. I hope you wanted to hear was that. So thank you very much. Okay, coming up. Next next questioner am at first time longtime. That last name is first name longtime. Family name. So this movie resolute all our. Dan Sometimes you do tickle me. So this movie was released as leader battling. Joel. But the Manga it's based on his battle Angel Alita. Read backwards in Japan. I thought of this question when the friendly fire episode on the donor feed reviewed edge of tomorrow which its name change to live. I, repeat and is now officially known as lived I repeat there any movies that you would officially change the title of to something else? Movies we would officially changed the title of to something else. There's there's a movie starring Guy Pearce where he has to break into jail that's an outer space. Any sane person would have called it space jam. Let's what do they call the breakout The. Greatest. Out Lockdown Terrible Jail I can't forget it. That's like there's a there's a movie with its at the Rock and. Some other dude and it's called I think the roundup or central. Else And the original title was held Dorado, which is a much better in A. I mean, I think we talked about when he did devil the elevator called elevator yeah obvious name. We are we done with devastator. I thought that was pretty good vader. Wind you backstage why that's worse. Still Better, the devil Oh you'll get me wrong which doesn't get across the most salient point, which is that elevator. But. Again, even elevator is not a good name for that because George Carlin point out it goes down as well as up the name only tells half the story. That's George Carlin joke. So I guess that an elevator should we call it like a vertical? Vert poof. All right well, moving on. Yeah, we can get through this whole lion go that. Okay. Humour questions, questions, Dan you sound like you've got a place to be, and that place is setting up for our next show. All right guys Andrew less name withheld Andrew. Thanks for being here. Hey. So tomorrow's research it. PODCAST. Accusing You should be at home preparing for the New Year with your family. You have call us debating late you've got brisket. After that in the Holidays people for our sins. Would you ask apologized to each other for what you've done. Here. Okay. Renew likes to apologize mean that's a good question. Thank you for reminding me of my sacred obligation as a member of the Hebrew race. Dan I would like to apologize to you for making fun of your in retrospect not super, crazy. To see more information about the more. I realized that while it is a strange choice and would bog down the movie on necessarily. Your desire to learn more is merely as I mentioned before the movie acting upon you in the way it is meant to by making you curious. About what's GonNa happen much as the Jewish people are curious about many things. And so I apologize for making funny so much. About that. Specific thing. And nothing else. Elliot I would like to apologize to you. Okay. Here comes making R a private argument. So public. and. I would like to say that even though we have differing opinions on dramaturge -I. Can you one of my greatest friends? Same here Dan saying word. We haven't talked to yet. I would like to apologize to you for that. I'd also like to apologize to you for getting. So angry at you your inability to respond to any of my email. Tomorrow is Russia. Sean. Now. I would like to apologize. About the love your cat archie clearly seems to have for me. When I come through? Ignores you in fact. Pushes you out of the way to rush into my arms and try and stick his entire head up my nostril. All accurate. I. Don't know what I did to bring that on. and. For that I'm sorry. Thank you Elliot after you moved away I'm sorry that I made a little tiny Elliott my apartment. Can I yelled at every time I was mad that you've moved away. I'm made out of Plato cat hair. And a fair amount of my spit. Sorry I appreciate the apology and the news about that. Well. We've all been through something that would be a perfect way to end the show. We've got one more. First name last name Take Your Pick Watson Stone Thomson pay multiple choice last name that's a very human. I like it. So. To Circle back around to the wonderful presentation on Bass in the East started with I'm wondering what your favorite movie set in the city of Boston is favorite Boston movies. She referenced my presentation before the show which was about beans in the movies. In honor of being not technically out the none of those movies are about. To. Hear my thoughts on movies about Boston. Come to the late show. But so I don't know maybe I mean here's the thing is there's a lot of movies set in Boston and there's a lot of great movies set in Boston It is surprising that such a teeny tiny itty-bitty widow city. Has So, many movies that so many great movies. It's such a widow put it in your pocket city. But I know it's a tough one because like you got movies like the verdict is set in Boston, like paper chases set in Boston. Got Mine. Yeah. I'M GONNA say the book Johnny Tra May. Be They made a movie that at some point maybe. I'm googling so. You like Ben half movie. Yeah Out. Been in me the one about the mouse and Benjamin Franklin boss. No Philadelphia I'M GONNA I'm GonNa say the Friends of Eddie Coyle I think it's my favorite. Boston. I Love Old Robert Mitchum he says her. Name I'm going to tell you wrong A. Unless you say like Ted to guess. Maybe that's your favorite Dana criticizing your choices too much. If you want to say Ted to go right ahead and I will not. Go ahead and say it just say and loves TED TED TO. Awesome movie. I'll say I remember is set Boston because that God damn dropkick Murphys Song is played every five minutes. Sounds like you got some issues with that movie Dan. Good good. and. That's the show. Thank you very much. Thank you very much for being with us. Open you. Think that you becoming. Man, there was so much fun. Can you believe we settle that stuff? I certainly can't especially because I've forgotten all of it. Well and then make it harder to believe. You play me a tape. Of Myself. Talking I'm going to be pretty credulous. I gotta say. It sounds like me I'll be like Oh. Yeah I probably did that officer. That's why that's why you're known as the credulous Hulk because of your buff bod and also that you'll believe anything. well, that was. That was our live episode of Alita Colon Battle Angel where we learned that Dan loves backstory. Next story shoveled into his mouth all the back story to tell about all the grandparents and great grandparents of the characters stuff they did. He wants to know how to Hans, Solo that jacket he wants to know. Do, move queen that plate and then ask for more and then ask you where the plate came from anyone to go to the factory and. The sand that this plate was made from which. Desert Quarry. was that. Mind from. With sand actually tell me the history of sand Well, I hate it it gets in your. Smoke in like a true Djeddai. So that was Alita battle angel we hope that everybody who's been listening has enjoyed it. Once again, we remind you that you can still go to maximum fund dot org slash join become a member. If you're not already a member upgrade, your membership there's lots of great levels and things, but you heard all about it during the pledge drive come on but we appreciate again and support you give if you happen to have a battle angel who maybe got some extra money in the roller combat ring what did they do in this movie again maybe some of that money way. And a this show is as we mentioned, is part of maximum fun. The maximum fun podcast network. There's plenty of other great shows just head over to maximum fund dot Org It's produced by Jordan cowling who makes us sound much better than we are You wouldn't WanNa hear the raw audio. Let me tell you. I guess. I've been cooked audio instead of Roddy. Tennis Jordan usually usually cuts for Jordan leave that job ends they have a taste of the of the crap that they're saved from. For the flop I've been in. McCoy. Thank you. I've been Stuart Wellington. And I'm Elliot Kaylynn Battle Angel. That's right guys. I'm a battle angel. 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Plaza Podcast Ep. 045

Plaza Podcast

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Plaza Podcast Ep. 045

"Ooh. Welcome to the plaza podcast episode, forty five months, Chris, and I'm Markus. Make it's all of our patriot supporters and our VP members if you like to join our patron got a patriot dot com forward slash plaza cinema four we'd also like to thank our sponsor next level laser tag, a new company, serving wise, insurrection counties. Call nine four zero six to seven next to book your mobile party today or check their website out at WWW dot next level laser tag dot com. Well, so today, we have a we actually have to new movies for opening for Valentine's Day. One obviously is rebel Wilson's one. Isn't it romantic, which this was this episode is not about a? On call. Honestly, though, I might have wanted to watch that over this movie. And what movie we are talking about is a leader battling. Joel. Two two vastly different movies. Come out this weekend way different. And I mean, we don't really know what we have to say about this movie to either this one's going blind. Yeah. Like, some of these we have to talk about and then this one it's kinda like, you know, let's let's just reveal it. All right now. So I mean, I'd say getting into though, I mean this movie, I I know it was supposed to be coming out in. I think December of twenty eighteen and I think it got moved back to you know, this month. And I don't really know what the excuse was for. I think it was supposed to come out December. I just put with all the competition. They probably decided to move it to worry. Yeah. We had all command, which is now in the billion dollar club. Yeah. Of movies. So I mean, I think people that they had intentions of this movie making that much money. I don't really know how it's going to do in the box office though, solely because of the story. You know, this is a this is kind of like some store that knowledge people will know, and I I didn't know it. And I think that's what I'm most conflicted with because I think from a it's an animal. It was a it's originally inanimate a manga series like kind of like a book series. But like animate, I mean, I don't I don't read animator any of that stuff. So I mean, I don't really keep up with this. I just I heard about this. And it has Robert Rodriguez behind it. And James Cameron, who's you know, literally is responsible for at least like three movies in the billion dollar club like Titanic and avatar is crazy. So I mean, like, you know, this with these names on this movie. You know, you think it's gonna be a big hip. I really don't know how it's going to do. Well, the thing is the studio it's FOX and typically what FOX does that they will they will hype the hype their movie up. Yeah. It is. Marketing team. Yeah. They really do. They they make it sound. Like this movie is about who is just going to be d- blockbuster of the year. And and let me point out that they also said that this movie was. Like, avatar quality three d and here was the thing. And we just got this found this out. I think Monday that we weren't even gonna get to show it in three here at this theater. But I got to watch it three D because they still send us the print and the keys to be able to watch it. So I watched it in three D yesterday morning that we aren't authorized to show it in three thirty exactly. But I wanted to see what the hype was. And I know you just got through watching the just regular Judy version at the four o'clock showing Joe. So I mean, obviously, I can guess I'll give you my thoughts on the three d for this movie before we actually get into the actual like, I guess the meeting of the movie. On the three D part. Honestly. Probably wouldn't I probably wouldn't waste the money to go sit in three because I only saw less than a handful of things in the movie that looked really good in three D, And you can tell like seeing into you like what those will be. Yeah. And it's and it's a couple of the fight scenes. Well, I mean, I'm sure they will they were cool. But I mean that movies at least two hours. So I can you know, see how we get tiring on your is like three D just really messes with my eyes. I can't really sit with it. Yeah. I have to tell you off the glasses every once in a while. And I think honestly with a movie that looks this amazing. And that's one of my favorite aspect of this movie is for sure it's the visuals in the action. I think honestly three D will take away from it. Because three d you know, usually tends to be a little darker than the actual color of two-dimensional movie. And so I think doubt honest to take away, you know, just already telling from this because it looks great on the big screen water, usually annals speaking darker. Yes on threes. They they are the lighting is a little bit different. That's why the studios were like very adamant on making sure our every theatre had their lighting was. Up to spec for this movie. Because it they were like it you had to have it like making sure you had the the minimum you had to make sure your you had your lighting up to that point or greater, and they 'cause they they blasted us with emails constantly phone calls and everything and making sure what is your, and I know our listeners you're going to have no clue what this means. But they call it foot Lambert when they're like what what is your foot layer? And you know, when they're like, they need they need to be at a certain level. That's what that's what they're talking about. And so the lighting really meant a lot for this movie, especially in the three definitely I mean in like, how is art and half the movies like pretty dark, and then another half of it's like, he just really like certain scenes are just really bright, and you know, full of colour, and it looks like it's honestly kinda like a wizard of Oz. Like of the, you know, the twenty first century in the sense. Just like visuals. You know, I think this is something that's really gonna blow people away. Avatar was definitely that. I think for this entry of this one. This is pretty pretty pretty good in the sense of visuals. I think it's not, you know, obviously, the best that I've seen, but I can see why people are like are. You know ran like raving about speakers. There's there's so much to take in watching this movie. And it kind of reminded me in the sense of ready player. One the way this world was built it kind of looks like the stacks from ready player. One in a way. That's just what I thought. And that's what I loved about that movie visuals at how everything will. No, that's a good comparison to ready player one. And for some reason that world is a little bit similar, and like whenever I saw this is like this is very well adapted. I think it looks like a book comic book, honestly, like this movie does. And that's really the best thing about this movie. I mean, I think that's a good positive. You know, it's it's not like it's just that. I'm saying the only thing about the visuals. Action scenes been tastic. I think too, but I was disappointed that there wasn't as many action scenes as. Say I was intimidating a second. You know, why probably about the third third and fourth quarters of this movie. Like good action. Get him out of action. I think it really took a while for things to build up, and I'm not gonna lie. I drifted off for maybe about five minutes. I think just school fatigue hit me. And then I like won't back up after an explosion in the movie. So I was like, okay. Two. And I started to really enjoy I wasn't bored with it necessarily. I think it's just it was slow think had beginning. I mean understand they're trying to tell the story. You gotta build up these characters because you have no clue what they're about especially like with this plot because it just jumps right in. And it's just kinda like, you know, hey, you know, you're going to figure this stuff out later. And then you don't really figure out, you know, certain elements of the story, and I think they're wanting a sequel to explain it. But even then it's like, I think it's really meant for this is really meant for the fans of the manga. And then the second audience, they're worried about is just people in general. I think they really wanted to make sure this counted for people that, you know, appreciated the story beforehand, and I think people that have, you know, read that stuff, they I think they're actually really enjoying it this movie, you know, saying how it's very similar in. How how it looks that? This is how they wanted the movie to be the first place. So I I think that's pretty neat. I mean. Critics wise it's pretty divided who say I mean, fifty nine while on rotten tomatoes fifty nine for that. But audiences was at ninety three. I mean, another one and so getting into this like there's two separate worlds. I guess very similar. I'm going, well, there's more cities in hunger games. But you have that you know, how you have that one in hunger games where it's all the the high in rich, and then you have the low in. Well, it's kind of similar to in a way you have rod above a city. That's. I guess for the rich and powerful. And then you have basically, the low income, you know, and where the trash and all that thing. All that goes reminds of movie Elise Eum with Matt Damon. Yeah. Remind me of that like them trying to get to that city Ellis clothing 'cause it's a floating city. And the thing is like I'm like, whoa, man. They've really taken a lot of elements from other movies and stuff I'm like, no actually have. And this is, you know, a lot of people a lot of Hollywood directors and writers of taken ideas from this put it to their movies and people while it's so creative. And you realize this is actually a story from the eighties or the nineties. So I mean, that's interesting. You know, I think a lot of writers directors do take some Japanese are in books, and all and I think that's kind of interesting. I like I like to see how people adapt don't get me wrong. I like that stuff. But I think it's kinda unique that this movie is just now getting out to us. You know, what is what is your thoughts on the combination of human inside board? I mean. I mean, there's a relationship obviously between like, and that's weird, you know, humans and cyborgs, and I don't really understand it. I mean, you know, I wasn't going into this movie thinking, it was going to be realistic. I wasn't going to this movie thinking, I really hope this movie makes sense. 'cause I do this movie was not gonna make sense to me and it didn't. But I mean, it made more sensible. I thought it would I will say that. There's a lot of robotic parts to people a lot of people have like robotic limbs. And yeah, that was really weird to me. They don't really explain why they do. Now. I just know that, you know, basically, they tell the audience they're selling these to the black market trying to get money by you know, kidnapping people ripping off their parts, basically torturing them, but it's just taking their parts. That's another thing too. Like, this movie was pretty violent for PG thirteen and there's a lot of blood, but it wasn't red blood. You know, it was like cyborg blood. Yeah. I noticed such thing. And I mean, like, I said, you know, whenever there's actually there's action. It's definitely white knuckle. Like, it looks great. It's it's you know, it's there's no shaky Cam out, of course, most of it is. Yes. So that's the reason why I think they're able to do so much, but it looks so real they did also a mixture of also the slow animation of the matrix. And I mean, Jennifer Connelly is also here in the matrix. There's a lot of you know, you can definitely see a lot of tributes older nineties movies in even some animated movies. But I I really enjoyed that aspect of it. As for story. I think that's where I was lost the most I think that's my least favorite part about this movie is just I was lost in the store. I didn't really understand some of it. Yeah. But whenever like, I think I think the distraction was just you know, the action in all that stuff. And I think the people at Ardy know, the story they won't care. They'll be glad because they they already know the story. I think though for people like us who don't know much about it. We're going you're gonna be a little bit more lost. But I think already the fact alone of just the visuals the action should sell you to just come see it to see for yourself on the big screen because I can guarantee you. I'm not gonna watch this movie outside of the theater now just because I wasn't interested enough. But I think like I said those visuals in action scenes really sold me on this. I thought that was amazing. But it was. That was I I am going to say that this movie is not to me is not going to is not living up to the hype that promotion for sure avatar was not really a movie that I loved either. But I mean, either, you know, you can't complain about when you have visuals that amazing. Yeah. I mean, it it's not gonna hurt to see it. But like if you don't follow the that that comic of that series of what was it magma manga manga if you don't follow that? You are. You're the stories going to be lost. And I was I'm 'cause in my dad's ought to. He he like, I can't imagine he ate. After the movie he's like what was going on? And I mean size like so different than what it is like twenty thirty years ago. Yeah. Terminator blade runner and played runners like thing that was so advanced for its time like I see a lot of blade runner inspiration in this movie too. It's like that's the thing. Like, I'm saying, you know, this stuff was written a long time ago is just now being adapted and people are gonna say while this stole this and this stole that like this certain scene was Solan from another action on like it wasn't. You know, it was actually written, you know, in drawn into book click, and I mean, I count would do some more research and just kinda see what all is from the story like this is all from these stories or not. And that's what's really interesting about this movie. I think you know, is just the creativity behind all of this. I think I think it's very creative. I would I just wish there was better explanations. With throughout the say like you just said about looking kinda wanna look at the books and see if like you said if it's adding up or. Anything just to see if I can understand it more. Because if I maybe if I read it or look more into maybe it would make more sense to me. But it's like somebody. I don't really care to do. I know that's a time thing is like am. I going to be that invested in it on even worth it rather eat something else. And it's it's not like, you know, you know, does this not like, a cultural, you know, appropriation thing that I'm saying I'm just saying like, you know, I can't dip behind that. And that's not my type of, you know, south to read, of course. I mean, if you like that that's fine. And I mean, you're you're gonna love this movie if you under if you've read those comics, or, you know, those manga those mangas whatever, you know, I mean, and that's the same thing. I know ghost in the shell was a thing of the past year. I didn't not like that one. I never saw ghost show. I heard though some arts and pretty good things about it. And I heard, but that movie overall had mixed reviews people people that liked the originals though, like the movies and all of that that were goes in the show, they loved it. Like, they said it was really good. And so it's like. You can obviously tell people are trying to make sure that whenever there at adapting manga, they want it to be focused on adapting it not just making it. You know, American making it easy for us to understand. I mean, that's the thing though. It's like why are you going to target to target this too? Big major American audience if it. Won't understand it. If they tried to do that this movie would be forever long. He's actually, and I mean on understand only, honestly, if they did come out with the sequel, I would be interested in watching it, you know, going out with the sequel just because of how it ended. I maybe I if that is if they make enough money with the movie, I'm really denying that they're gonna make a lot of money. I think I think they may have strong opening weekend. But it's not gonna be near as big as they're thinking. It's going to be you know. I agree. I don't I don't know. You know, it's only Thursday we slow few days to see how it's gonna do. I know that usually start submitting predictions. But those can always, you know, bail the those predictions aren't always accurate. So I mean, I mean like I said if well, you know, what movies that opening on Valentine's Day, you know, what this movie's up against isn't it romantic and well know from past movies oh from passengers panther. That's right. Yeah. Deadpool fifty shades of grey. These are the movies at a leader has to live up to from past February or Valentine's releases. I think it'll be shades of gray. But I mean, I think so get. It's not gonna be deadpool's the. Yeah. Radar movie. Right. Yeah. Deadpool stuff. Highest Rosen rated R movie if to beat that or not yet. But I mean, that's I mean, that's a lot of zoo. And I mean like I said. You know, I'm I'm conflicted with recommending this movie because I really think people indicator are not gonna like this. I think they're going to be weirded out by it. But I also think they're going to have a fun time with the action. And you know, just the visuals. But I mean, the story did not have the committee at all. Just because I can't you know, like, I said, I can't get behind this type of concept. Do you wanna hear the the nice production budget for alita, I'm assuming I'm just gonna guess to fifty actually one seventy five no way? Yeah. Hundred and seventy five million dollar production budget, obviously most this was filmed. Probably good ninety five percent of this was filmed a studio. Yeah. I mean. Yeah. But I mean see that actually blows me away. 'cause like I don't know why thinking about but like lone ranger that movie tuned fifty million. That's when the highest budgets have heard about them blockbuster flops, you know, it was like twenty five million I think opening weekend. So, you know, in this movie actually reminded me like I just remember the trailers behind it for while it kind of reminded me of mortal engines, in the sense of being hyped out to be something super big. And then it's gonna flop it's not gonna flop like, mortal engines whatsoever. But it I I don't think it's gonna it'll it'll definitely make its budget. I believe just with the fan base around this movie. And then other people are just gonna wanna see it because it's valentines weekend, and they want to go see a movie, I do know that the studios hoping for this five day weekend consider it because they are expecting a of. About a they want to pull a thirty million for the five days all up. They can definitely thirty million. I don't think it's going to be as big as. Yeah. Think it's gonna reach pass that maybe though, I mean this came out today Greg special showing yesterday they they allowed an early release it seven o'clock yesterday. But it actually came out today. And Mike concern was they pulled the three d from us. And you know, we're showing at all in two d and I do believe, I think you. I don't think the viewing would have made the made the movie anymore. Appealing to you for watching in three D. I really don't think I would have wanted to see in thirty based off of just watching tutti. That's another thing. It's just kind of like I was here for the visuals. You know? And I mean, I had to see this movie either way just that we could review it. And I mean, it really deafen the biggest takeaway are those visuals. I mean that three I think really does take away from it. I mean, I know I didn't see in three D, but I can gain too. You don't see it in three d if you can come see it here tutti, and then enjoy just as much probably. Yeah. I I mean, I I would I would really I would really suggest seen it. No seen it in two d I wouldn't waste your money in the three D unless you are really into that top series. And you wanna see it? Sure. Go ahead. I mean, you know, it's fine. But don't you need to go into it not expecting, especially if you aren't hyping this movie up like if you weren't like super excited for it. Like, I mean, I I wasn't super excited for it. And I will say I was surprised I thought it was better than I thought it would be. I'm still though just a little bit confused on the whole entire story of IM two. But here's my thing. I'm a little bit different where I was a little disappointed because of here in the good things. And you know, for seeing some of the stuff, I thought this is going to be pretty awesome. And I expected a lot of fight scenes. And and we didn't really get that. We got a whole lot more. We got a whole lot more just kind of. The lack there of storytelling. I agree with that. I mean, action wise, I don't think that it was lacking too much. I think action that we did get a loved. It was great. But I wanted our of it. That's not a too I did too. I think but then again, it's like could they have put anymore story if they added more action, but it's like at this point. I don't even care about the store, you know, just include more action. If if I'm Marty so confused at this point like Meisel, just make fun. They did make her into almost like an unstoppable. That was cool. I mean like, and that's another thing too. Like there are certain elements with her in this villain in. It was just like, you know, she's she's learning stuff about her pass. 'cause she doesn't know, you know, alita does not know who she is where she can't from as she's learning that ashes in these like ten situations with you know, these fights. And that's what's kind of interesting. It's like she she starts remembering these things, and it's just kinda like e feel like you're supposed to remember it with her like, you're suppose starting no. But you don't know like, you know, you're having to find out with her and even the new still don't find out much. Yeah. I mean, I don't really understand what you know, the whole fragments of her pass. And this is all supposed to take place after something called the fall, which is like three hundred years before the set. But this is certainly twenty five something like twenty five thirty two something around there. And I'm just thinking like like are you gonna explain what the fall is? Are you gonna you know, dig deeper into this before audiences just confuse? I guess you just have to seem that it's a. You know to stop in future in that's it. So I mean, I don't really know. I I I think that's storytelling. You know? I I think the story telling you this this whole tire. Scripts in general, I mean, you really walking out of this movie scratching your head. I'm still really thinking about it like in the central. What did I just watch? Like, I really don't know what I watched like, it was fun. I I had I had a decent amount of time. Like, I was definitely entertained whenever there is good action scenes in one in particular in a bar the bar scene guy was a loved that one. It was really good. I mean, like, I said like, you know, definitely come to this movie. If you just wanna see some good action and revisions is it's no avatar avatars lightyears beyond better just in the sense of enjoyment. Even though I wasn't like the biggest fan of avatar like everybody else was bustling avatar is a good movie. I think people bash a lot just because of the all of the praise it got. Yeah. I I think avatar innocence those better than this James Cameron. Definitely this definitely James Cameron. Maybe I've seen I know he's made worse movies, and he didn't direct this. He just produced it he he did write the screenplay. He helped write it. You know, I mean alien though, and Titanic Terminator two like, you know, if we're putting up against those movies, obviously, I think those are a little bit better. But I mean, this this one's I I do like the creativity behind this. And I think I Jesse give it credit for that. I think this movie is not perfect. Of course. Like, I said, but I think if you do wanna come see movie with good action. Great visuals. And then just entertainment to be on us in for right now. This is all we. Yeah. This is all you got for the month of February. Exactly. You know? You know, it's just not a whole lot come. There's just not a whole lot out for this month. But you know. Yeah. Definitely come see it. But you're probably gonna leave probably more confused than came in the this is no top ten of twenty eight nineteen for sure I know it's not gonna make that list at all make my top twenty. Exactly. But I mean, I I do really have to give props to the cruise behind this his these movies, take so much work. I mean, especially with visuals like this. You gotta think about all the animation departments, and you know, computer graphics, and just all these different people, you know, working on this movie and people that were inspired to help work on this movie. It's just like, it's amazing. I think you know, what could've made this movie better cyborg, John wick on a. I'm in most of these people are technically cyborg, John wakes. I mean alita if you really want to get technical is probably the female version of John is more like a whatever killing risque morpheus from the matrix. Kinda like a cyborg morpheus. Neo morpheus? Morpheus orange Fishburne Laurence Fishburne she's kind of like a Neo from mega matrix. Because the ju jitsu whatever she knows those pretty cool. But I mean, like definitely not the best movie. But I think we can both agree. This movie is a fun time. Still. It's not gonna be ripping. But I I do recommend it. If you wanna see something with action, and like, I said good visuals. So and something, you know, that's not technically for the kids, and you need something to come out. The definitely come to this one. I would give it about a exactly seven. I had a seven point five. Okay. It's harder than I thought. It would be. Yeah. Okay. I I'm giving it right at seven. But. Yeah. So I mean to finish that one finished this one up, you know. I still want to give it a chance. I wanna see what it does in the box office. I'm gonna be really curious about that. 'cause they could either you know, completely blow it out of the water. You know, 'cause there are hitting MRs that, you know, we really feel like it's not gonna do very well all sudden it's like this is this is doing really well. And then of course, some that we think are going to do. Well, didn't like for instance, the Spiderman into spider verse we thought it was great. And it it didn't do very well did pretty well domestically. I mean, it wasn't bad in the but hearing general it it was surprisingly that it didn't do most of feeder was like forty people on just blown away by that. I don't know how will do here. How alita will do? We'll see. I mean, we may be surprised, but yeah, but coming next week is how to train your dragon, and they. Are are hyping this up too. But from what I've seen in the reviews, the medics rotten tomatoes got it at ninety seven. This is probably supposed to be like the best trilogy of movie. The best their movie, okay? Because this is the third movie of the series of how to train your drive all three or all the first to another really will love. I I've I have not seen all my homework in watch those beforehand. But yeah, we we all have them. But yeah, they were pretty good. And and this one is apparently on track to be just as good or better. Yeah. It's kind of like DreamWorks is Toy Story because I mean, all three moves are very will love. Trying to is kind of like, the, you know, Shrek, you know, they really missed it with a third one. And I mean hasn't really had successful trilogy. So I mean, I'm glad for them. This movie really seals the deal. Yeah. I can't I can't wait for next week. But before we go, I just have to say. I just want. What is your opinion? What is your reaction of when you finally saw Will Smith the gene in Aladdin only? Go the news everywhere hilly. This is a big deal. You know deal to you know, like, we're going to the episode with the, you know, I didn't even think about talking about this. We really wanna go deep. I would like to talk about the Oscars to before we really kind of leave to is. There's a lot of scandals behind that right now. Wilson with is Aladdin. I am not sold at all. It will as the genie like a non aligned I'm sorry in a land, gene. We'll Smith as Jeannie, no old. I. See bad the fact that they wanna Will Smith as the modern genie compared to Robin Williams. Like, you might as well get John Mullany as the genie. I think versus like Will Smith or just some standup comedian like I mean, come on. I mean, just someone that can do like a fun voice. I mean, I don't see we'll see we'll Smith as Jeannie in the first place. And then whenever they revealed him. I was like oh my gosh. Like lying is gonna be way bigger success. And I don't know when Lion King is coming out coming out in like April. No, that's that's the joint July believe there's no allowed Alana's may. I think he's going to be a big month for sure as gonna be huge of. But Oscar's just wanna mention some real quick. I mean, our this is going to be I Academy Awards. I'm probably not gonna watch I'm going to concert that night seem using concert in the inside for that. But also just because of all the scandals going on all of the I tell you this is what I hate about the movie street. You know, it's like you would think it would get better. And it's not it's it's all about just politics. It's like Kevin Hart is not going to be the host because of his comments on Twitter from years ago that people dug up so they they will have no host also a bunch of these nominations are taking away to televise. They're gonna take out the editing and cinematography awards they're going to announce those during the commercial breaks. And I was furious. When I read about that. And I mean, I know a lot of people are too like it's it's causing uproar. You don't you think we think about editing cinematography? This is something we talked about a lot on the podcast weekly like movie, especially with mission impossible fall out. This movie didn't get nominee for any Academy Awards. That's one of the major complaints of when you think about editing in a movie though, like that's what seals the deal on movie. And you know, they're taking that away as an award for people to watch like, I don't know. It's just a bunch of controversy behind it. And it's just really night for the celebrities to, you know, where we're nice outfits and talk about the movies that you know, made made this year, and I think they picked the wrong movies in the first place. I it it frustrates me. And I mean, you know, I hate that some of these movies weren't recognized, and I hate some movies where recognized that shouldn't be recognized of. I mean, I like to see how the awards, you know, this award season turns out just because there's been some surprises given that Bowen wraps. Won best drama at Golden Globes. And after critics hated that movie like two pieces, they shredded pieces. Yeah. It's still invest wrong. I mean, I wouldn't be surprised forgets picked best picture the Oscars. I don't think it will. But I mean, obviously, it's going to be about Baltic. It's Black Panther. That's surprising because that's been nominated for seven words. So I mean, it's the highest amount of awards for marvel movie. Best picture best director. There's like I turn all the words base. That's crazy. So I mean, we'll see I mean, it's gonna be very interesting award ceremony for sure, but I I wanted to throw that out there to see all where where I tweeted like some big thing about it yesterday. And I like made a threat, and I deleted it because I was like this is stupid. Nobody's going to care. They're going to dig it up. But I mean, we'll see. Wow. That's next weekend. It's not this weekend. But I mean, I saw some three just like the I've seen a bunch tweets just about this own tire fiasco, and I think it's kind of interesting just how people are approaching this. But I mean. Yeah. Well, on also the four I forget, we all we did say March March was going to be a big month. I the beginning of the month at this is all where it's gonna start taking effect at captain Marvel's going to be a key piece in this whole of injures everything I'm so excited. So honestly, this one is going to be a I think this is gonna be a very highly anticipated episode, and I'm really trying to stay away from trailers on that movie. I am too. I I really am. Because I really I mean because when this movie when we get it and it's being released. I'm I cannot wait to watch this. And I hope this clears up a lot. Because I'm looking for answers. That's what I'm looking for. And I was talking to someone about this actually the day. And they said, you know, marvel really put themselves in a stalemate like, you know, because if if they find a way to bring back the I was going to be like, well, you just ruined the fact of Infinity war, but if you kill them off they're like, well, what did you do the injuries? You know, you just killed them. All so it's like, you know, what's going to happen. Like, that's really because I mean, really because you've already seen trailers of Spiderman far from home. Yeah. Exactly. And so you're like now, you're like houses possible. I know, you know, so it's just like everybody. I think they've got this war, captain marvel such an intimidated movie. They're just gonna come see it because they want to know what house is happening. And I don't think they're gonna go easy way out and just bring them back or kill them all off. I think they're going to do something complex. Yeah. I believe it is too. But I mean, it's really interesting to me because you know, you think about it in a few years from now people are going to have access to both and Fanie war. And then in game new vendors. Like, they can just watch back to back and right now that moves out of three hour Runtime from what I'm hearing. Yes. And that's what's interesting to me. It's like, you know, people are from then it's the the effect is not going to you know, they aren't gonna have this anger and frustration that we're having right now there's going to be able to watch the next one, right? Then like, you know, they might already know by then what happens, obviously, if we're having all these other movies come out. But I mean, I think we're in a great time for movies in that aspect. Yeah. Maybe not so much with the Oscars is big movies. But I mean with marvel and just these superhero movies, I think they're great. I think they're definitely making history for cinema alone. So I mean, I'm excited for captain marvel 'cause I like like you said, I think that really going to hopefully, close up some holes, and you know, hopefully, answer all our questions. All yeah. I'm sure obviously, they won't answer. All our questions. We'll have to wait for the next month for endgame Elliott. But they four that moves coming out. This year in all your after. I know. Well, I know that was we have we actually put a lot into this episode. This was actually supposed to be just a leader. But there was so much more to cover and we did cover quite a bit on a leader in. I think you know, I think we did it Justice. But there was other things that we really needed to cover and and what's coming out. So I think it was very important as well. But so any any final any final words before we get off the air north ago said about all much can say so. All right. Well, we will see you next week whenever we do how to train your dragon the hidden world. I believe so thank you for joining us on the plaza podcast. We'll see you soon.

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Podcast Minisode 12: Bare-Handed Spanking Tips

Loving BDSM

13:47 min | 4 months ago

Podcast Minisode 12: Bare-Handed Spanking Tips

"You're listening to the living podcast mini episode number twelve, the last of the first season, only season the last of the twelve to last. And it's me Kayla Lords with the one, the only the finally here, and can we actually keep this to be a mini episode of for both the John Brown? But. I needed you this week. I couldn't do this without Joe. Disingenuous this week. We're sharing just a few brief quick. We say. Optimistically. Tips on taking a barehanded spanking to a new level to take beyond the basics. That's what we're talking about. Welcome to the. podcast of this is your first time listening glad to have you back for another week. Welcome back. Living Bedia. Sam is currently for this week at least produced every Tuesday and Friday I don't even know what days are. For Your Kinky pleasure in education and found it loving. DSM Dot net, come back often and feel free to add the podcast to your favorite podcast APP. If you love what you hear, we'd love review wherever you listen to us. Other kinksters find you can follow the show on twitter at loving them on Fetlife at loving. PC on Instagram at that handle I will forever fucking hate loving Diaz and number one loving, DS, one or on Youtube at YouTube dot com slash loving DSM. All links are in the show notes as always this a week's peace and recording comes from a blog post written, but it was actually written by me i. was just your editor? Yeah, it's written by you. 'CAUSE YOU I. I am the receiver of spanking correct, and I need to give you are the give her, and I need to understand them, so I can keep myself safe, but like I understand how to turn on a computer I don't need to know the inner workings to make sure that the computer so that is what you here for both for the inner workings of the computer and spankings. So, this comes from a piece that we published you wrote. Back when you still some root things. Seventeen how to take a barehanded speaking to a new level so first. Let's make it clear. SPANKING is not that complicated hand. And body part usually asked. You've got US thanking Yeah. It truly can be that simple. You do not need to complicate it more than that. No, if you get that down in your partner having a good time, you're good. You don't have to go any further if you don't want to. But if you want to change things up, maybe make it a different experience. Try some different sensation. You Hey, we definitely advocate for buying paddles. Can you fuck. What of ask distraction Alita we make them we sell them. We are definitely hoyer for toy assisted spankings. However, you don't have to do that. So. You're good with your rhythm. move that just gives me the. There you get. We're GONNA. Take a look in your own. We're taking up another notch, so the first thing you talk about is the power behind the strike. Yeah, please elaborate, okay well. You can go from soft light tap. To. Wayland on somebody. Or anywhere in between you can go from. Yeah! Sorry for anybody wearing your ear buds. But. And you you think spanking sometime. You know you put somebody over your name. You're just. On their ass, but what makes it more fun and more interesting because you like to keep your masochist on their toes, and not knowing what to expect. So you know, give them a few light caps. And then when they least expect it Wham, you use them like exclamation points. Yeah, like the whatever your your. Rhythm, and intensity is going to be. That's that's your basic sense. That's like maybe that those sentences in with a period, and then when you lighten it up, I was thinking like a question mark. I'm clearly a writer go. Big It's an exclamation point and it always shocking even if I figure out like sometimes you'll do it in an actual legit pattern like yes. Playing a song I am the drum. Yeah it's a Drum Solo, right? But even when I figured out the pattern. When you vary the power, right, it is a surprise shirt and that's. What makes it makes it more fun because you know like that. Get that surprise. Surprise reaction. That's what you're going supplies, and even sometimes and you. I've done this many times with you. I'll sit there and just gently. Rub your by I'll rub in. The middle of the spanking is the best at an Anorak. And you know I know that you're going to. Me Every time. Okay, so very. The power period the intensity. Have Different experience now. Here's someone that was very interesting to me. This is. Three different ways you can. Physically if your hand can move in these ways that you can physically use your hand in different way to get different sensations, yes, so I mean first and foremost is is the flat. OPEN-HANDED SPANK which is kind of the standard? It is pretty much a standard. You know your your your hand is is wide. Open your finger, four or close. Your thumb may be a little. Out. And then you just. Not find find a rhythm and you know, have that. Leave your mark. Okay, so that's one of familiar with. What your secondhand of the second one, which which can a little interesting is? If you cup your hand a little bit? All right it gives a Little Cup you get a little bit of a air force of air. The south of muffles the sound a little bit, plus you're hitting more with the outside edge of your hand, so it can be a little. You know you can vary the sensation from a little bit a sting to a little bit of. For. Sure it is not. It's not the same sensation, and if you combine it with changing the intensity of the power behind the strike, right, it's a whole different thing all by itself. And those are the ones that sometimes I'm like. Please Daddy's. Why don't you love Bait? Now the other one third one my God this one. If you are not a fan of stinging, this might not be your faith. Just say this. This will certainly Oh my God bring thing with the hand Oh. My God, now you want to do this with with kind of the hand a little flat. But. You know, let's face it but surround. Just agree to some degree there around. And you you really want to up the ante. In instead of hitting straight on coming straight in with that hit you swipe up. You. Take that hand and you swipe up and you can even come down. Yes, you swipe up and down all the time. Yes, sometimes, because the way we spank. I'm over the bed. Most of the time, right? You will actually just bring your hands straight down with tips and my fantasy tips of your fingers, and now when you do was swipe is does more of contact of your hand. Is it most of your hammock attack when I swipe up its most of my hand? It's what's that. Here we are explaining a visual thing in audio. Know how to describe swipe. It's a swipe. Swipe as you know. THINK OF SWIPING! Left yes, yes. You're doing with your whole? Your whole hand again on somebody's but. Okay, so those are the three ways you can change your hand flat handed. Cup, Swipe, and then I don't think we put it in here, but we definitely should. The fingertips fingertip yeah. I think I think that kind of evolved after. spiriting with how you can. Yeah, you know sometimes on on down swipe like come down on her show with the fingertips. It's very quiet, y'all for anybody looking for a quiet spanking. It's things like a motherfucker, but it is quite just so you know. Yeah, the the impact is silent, but you're masochist may know I'm crying. At. The final thing we talked about in this particular. Tip Session, we did homeless timing. was about don't not just spanking in the middle of the, but in the gluts like you normally do which is definitely standard, it's usually is placed but win. How can a bare hand make? Under. At that point where? The, but meets the thigh crease that crease own. It's easier to get to. If you're bent over a little bit. That's for sure is easier. Bend over bend over bed, bent over chair. Sometimes even bent over over me, yes, oh! That's kind of sticking out. But what makes that Nice is you know especially if you really want to give a good spanking, that's a really good spot to hit because the next day when they sit down. At how. Out or standing, just decrease from where mining my, but she skinned touches. My thighs skin. It's like. A sunburn. And that that's Dutch just a wonderful wonderful place to get to and also. Down the size, yes, okay, the back of the thought is and the inner thoughts energize. That can be so sexy especially if you add some sort of sexual element to. Your King, so even if you're not being sexy right then, if genital play Sachs's thing that you engage in, yeah, it could be super super sexy, even when you don't mean it to be sexy, 'cause those fingers, always just oops, they slip moons no. I mean. Would like a little bit more groups in its life is on. Me Even spank that. Yes, you can. Yes, you can. Just like you do with any king play, let us reiterate. US, either no, you don't. Say for us. You're safe for it if you do. If you are these spank. Check in frequently watch body language watch body cues, listen to the sounds they make ask how they're feeling and prior full and ongoing. The whole time, and just because you're having a good time trying your new speaking techniques does not mean to spank. E may be having a good time, so if things are going well, just go ahead and stop, and it's Ok either figure out what went wrong. You might stop completely. You might start with something else. But. Yes, especially with bare hands. If you're doing slapping smacking spanking, you can have a lot of different parts of the body is not. Go with the media, fleshy rights more than anything. Stay stay with the muscle areas. Yes, and yeah the the genitals. If the partner you have who wants to be spanked, consensus that yes. Yes, I you. Yes, YOU SPANK MY VOLVO! You're you're used to quite frequently and sometimes I could actually. Off? Of that When she was very sexy. So. Yeah, it star if you're interested in barehanded spankings, start with the basics flat of your palm. Their but Sheikh get comfortable with that. Find your level, and then when you WANNA take a to new level, you can use these tips. You can just kind of experiment and and see what other things your fingers hands can do on other ports of absolute, so that is us that us that is us. Yeah, that. Is it for us? Other would edit that out. We are not other people This is the last of the twelve minnesotans that I said we would do at the start of the world being set on fire. If I'M GONNA, take a break from doing anymore mini episodes weekly long episodes are still coming. Do not worry if if y'all really enjoyed this. If you're getting anything out of it, let us know we may still go in for. Content, we've already published on the blog remake. 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Battle Angel Alita vs Bravestarr

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55:50 min | 4 months ago

Battle Angel Alita vs Bravestarr

"On, an unnamed planet in the depths of space, there is no law only the strong survive. Attempting to change that the martial known as brave star walks his paces, looking for places that need a little justice. Walking by robotics, disposal center grave star walks is an unnaturally moving figure leap the barricades, and run inside off. He cries out and gives chase after the suspect turning around the battle, Angel known as Alita stares down her pursuer both combatants, though that for their own reasons, they must come out of this fight. The Victor and this battle has begun. It's space western versus cyberpunk. The spirit host versus octopus slips. STARBURST lead today on. Welcome to another episode of who would win a show that completely ignores anything important happening in the world, and instead focuses on a fictional battle between two characters from the worlds of Comic Sci Fi and fantasy I'm your host, James Gavin and as always I'm joined by my co host raised the Canes Ray again I think we have just done the impossible and put together a marquee matchup that no one has ever considered, but somehow everyone should have. What are your feelings on today's battle? I feel very strongly about today's battle. Look I'm a fan of both of these characters look battle angel. Alita was an animate on the. The blockbuster shelf for many many years en route one that for whatever reason I didn't watch I watched like thirty thirty five anime off this one shelf, and that particular and I don't know if was the cover art I never watched it, but I only got into it more recently when the movie came out the live, Action James Cameron, affair and Gosh. It's a really really neat world that they've created. An alita is a really really cool character. Contracting. Brave Star a character that we've done for knowing. Is Half the podcast huge fan of this American Marshall in space? Are you kidding me right now? A space western? Guys these are two characters that kind of been in the fringes of who would win suggestions for a long time, and I am one who is very excited to finally put them together and what I think is a very compelling match up. You know what I find interesting. Is that you and this is something that just came across really weird to me. Is that a lot of people who saw alita battling? loved it the unfortunate part. Part is not a lot of people saw it right, so it was very much. I felt underappreciated speaking of under appreciated. If you have not made yourself familiar with brave star, one of the many, but I absolutely great iconic series of animation from the eighties. You need to do that right now. If any cartoon or animated series needs a modern take on it to be released right now, I can't think of a better series than brave star. Star is absolutely wonderful the other there's two that come to mind the only ones that need to reboot look. We're getting reboots of literally everything else under the sun, unfortunately in many cases, but the to the needed brave star is one of them. That needs a reboot, Pronto and Dr. the barbarian would be the other one that I would put on that list. I I I so agree with that interestingly enough. The you know I was looking up fund looking brave star. There seems to be some common thread. Is it Alan Oppenheimer? Who the person who was the voice of skeletal. Yes. That's correct Oppenheimer Oppenheimer. He is the connective tissue. He was thunder on the by. Was He thunder the barbarian? Thunder, are the barbarian. He was a character in in Brave Star, he man Flash Gordon so many different is just funny. How he was all over the place all right, so this is gonna be crazy. Crazy matchup and I feel a little bit like You may have the edge in this way. Only because I just learned recently that on knowing is half the podcast a great show by the way you and your co host have already gone through this series. Episode by episode is correct. That is not correct. We did one episode of bridge as much credit we. SORTA brave star, but I do feel comfortable with this character. Honestly, I kind wanted to Rep. Brave Star. Much like when I ripped megatrend from you, you ripped, brave star for me so a little bit of a little bit of a spike up for this battle. All right, so here's the thing when Mega Tron lost against King Kong repping King Kong I still felt even though I got the win I still felt like I lost and I was I got a lot of resentment. Ahead towards. You raised Aquinas for not you know doing more doing better with Mega Tron. Okay I'M GONNA. Do everything I can to Rep. brave starred the way he needs to be wrapped Give them a Megatonne Treatment James Ghazi style now for such a titanic battle. We need to bring someone in who is has been on the show before. Who has that ability to kind of see you know the logic and maybe even cash things. You and I may not bring up so due to the demand once more were bring in the amazing writer and performer, the one the only Daniel L. Emmons Daniel. Thank you for coming onto the show once more. Thank you for having me. Call now. What have you been up to? Since last time you're on? Who would win I mean I've been doing stuff at the theater up. Until current events shutdown such theater, but we are still doing digital stuff online. We are currently streaming on our twitch channel, night, church or twitch dot TV backslash a night church, so you can usually catch us there on Mondays and Thursday nights of vehicle. Okay, now let me ask a question. How familiar are you with Alita? Battling an slash or brace start I am more familiar with brave star. I've been I watched that when I was a kid I was pretty excited for it and also remember being upset when it was no longer on. The other. Not really as familiar as I should be. About have known about it is that it was an enemy I haven't even Saturday Bat I'm. Walking in the door. I'm battling some wild hood. You're James yet again. Thank God I mean. That's a shame rate. That's horrible that we positioned that way. actually question anyone does. How long did the brave star series going for your hand like a pretty long run of like over sixty episodes it was sixty five episodes over two years I'm not one hundred percent sure if that was just one super long season or two medium length seasons cartoons of that era, especially I believe that's film mission around. Yeah, they. They tend to just do one season, but it would be like against sixty five episodes so it it. There's just telling compared to modern television. And I think also brace are handled like they went over some pretty heavy issues for that time. Rightly, was really ahead of his time. I think they even dealt with drug use and A lot of eighties cartoons dealt with drug use. And a very poor poor way and brave star is on that list. Yeah I don't know I. Know a lot of kids listen this, but you know did I remember I, was Youtube I? Do my research and looking for a bunch of youtube videos for brave star and all of a sudden. There's one says you know drug use brave starting. I'm like okay and I'm thinking. It's you know someone who uses drugs than says while never do that again. That felt horrible It turns out the character. Drugs did in fact never do that again. Because he died because they died on the show on the show, they address it and brave star like he was like at some secret club, House. treehouse anything and his brothers found him, and then braves are came in and the moms like everyone's like call, a doctor brave stars like yeah, there's no need to call a dog I mean it got really really deep very quick well, taking the show directly off the street and into a ditch James now I'm depressed. Good Good I. Mean that's too bad, so Daniel. Are you ready for today's battle? I am! Very, cool, Ray! It's about that time police. You'll see honors and announced today's matchup. Representing, the world of eighties, cartoons, the law man who couldn't speak for a while after getting his mouth thirty thirty because he was just a little horse. Brave Star. And representing the world of Anime, the CYBORG who should never tend to crops, because then she'd be a trance farmer. alita transformer. That's a wet for. Glad you did glad you did well done I guess right now before we go any further. Let's go over the official rules of a WHO had win match. We'll number one, Easter. We'll be able to make three points rule number two who had would match the random encounter in a neutral location with neither combatant necessarily anything about their opponent or having anytime airport rule number three. The exact version of the character has to be. Be Specifically stated now ray there are a number of different, and all of them are actually task versions of Alita which one you're going with today I'm going to surprise people with this one. Because you just assume I would go with the live action movie. Alita I'm actually going to go for the first time near as I can. Tell would win. History I'm going to go with the MANGGA version of battle Angel Alita. Okay any specific reason why that version I will tell you right because there are three choose from. There's the the two and a half hour. Live action movie, which goes all over. The place gets a little bit. Weird doesn't necessarily show off the height of her powers. I could go with the animation, which is a two episode Ova, which good job of showing it off, but it's essentially only based on the first view Manga. Books of Alita, of which there are nine, so if I have a choice between taking a little bit of a piece of Alita or the whole thing, I'm GonNa take the whole thing. Go with nine. paperbacks of battle Angel Alita. Okay all right. That's interesting. You know. I'm surprised people, too. I'm going to use the mango version of brave star. Wa That's right. Bang version meaning the animated version from one thousand nine hundred eighty s I, sometimes interchanged terms so obviously iconic into only version. I know of of brave star and that's all rule number four. The winner of the woodwind debate is remember the judge decides has the best ability to incapacitate their opponent the degree where they can safely walk away with no furthers wrapping presents. By the judge can disallow veto appoint maybe one of the debaters if they kill, it goes outside of the scope of the battle, or as a relevant to the fight rule number, six eastern Baiter must use examples, powers, abilities, or weapons that are part of the specific air, just nudie releases with that character Abreu deal of time, and now let's get to the tail of taper. Both of I commends today's tale. The tape is the official who would win store. Get your official. Who'd won? T shirts mugs? By going to who would win show, dot com, and clicking on the Merck section by the way police, pick of you with your who had went shirts or merchandise, so we can post it all over our social media counts rape. Please give us the details on Alita. alita is a cyborg warrior in a futuristic cyberpunk world. She was created by Yuki Shiro and first appeared in. Oh, God, bless me! She Says Business Jump Magazine in Nineteen Ninety. alita lives in a future world that consists of very different sections. The well to do people live far above the planet's surface in a place called solemn. And everybody else is fighting for scraps on the surface below appropriately named scrap yard, part of Alita was found in a scrap pile, having fallen from the city above after robotics expert dice. Que Edo put her back together. She found that she had no memories, but through fighting could start to see. The pieces fall back into place. Lena follow the path of the bounty hunter, and much more through her adventures to find the truth of her past fun fact, Battle Angel. Alita was originally known by the name gun new, which literally translates to gun dream. It is in one of these dreams that the main character Golly, which is actually leaders mango name sees a weird version of her earlier life with Ito a life in which her name is Alita. It's crazy. Talk. Who would do that anyway? That is battle Angel Alita. Very cool here. The details for brave star brave stars the hero, the animated series of the same name that was produced by Shammar in the film Nation Production Company back in one, thousand, nine, hundred, Eighty, seven, the series itself takes place in the twenty third century on a planet located, one, thousand, nine, hundred, fifty seven light years from earth known as new Texas brave star is a native American human guarding of the Animal. Animal spirits and the Marshall of the planet, New Texas, he originally lived another planet with his father, figure shaming and his tribe, an intergalactic dylan by the name of stampede attack, the people in order to absorb the magical and spiritual energy, the planet, enforcing entire population to flee with brave stars escape pod, being jettison to a nearby. Galactic Marshall Space Station as a result, braves are grew up with the marshalls and trained. Trained to be one, he was eventually sent to new Texas. Where now protects the new frontier from stampede and his Lieutenant Tex Mex, and here's an interesting fact about brave star. Did you know that the braves star cartoon was the last animated series made by the legendary film Asian Production Company located in Zita California all places. It's true filtration nation who is responsible for such classes human. Sheera Star Trek the enemies series. Series among many others was in the middle of making a brave stars spinoff called Bravo, but couldn't complete the series as close in was subsequently sold off to an investment consortium led by none other than the French lorry Al Cosmetics Company. Because when you think it costs medics, you think of animated series from the eighties, and now you have the facts, oath opponents Donald. Do you have any questions before we get started? I do not. Though. Yeah I was thinking about it thought ahead one that did not ray. Go ahead and hit us with your point number one. You know before I hit my point number one I. do want to mention for all you purists at home, look I called it a solemn, and we have the scrap yard as the two locations and I understand the Manga they're known as other names to Ferris and scrap iron city. You're just GONNA have to get over it because those those words are not as. As easy to say as calling it, the scrap yard and Zam, so just want to say that right now. Get over. It I'm using the mega version with those names. You're just going to have to live your best life. Okay talking about battle Angel Alita. Let's talk a little bit about her training. As well as her fighting ability and her fighting style, and what she has going for her on a very basic level, because we start with the character of Alita and she is super, interesting. Interesting, because when she's brought back to life, she is essentially adjacent born kind of figure somebody who doesn't know exactly why or how, but they have the ability to kick a whole lot of butts of whoever the heck they need to, but they don't know why, and they don't know who they are or where they came from where they fit in the grand scheme of everything, so she uses a fighting style. That's known as Panzer Kunst and Panzer Kunst is recognized right away by the guy who. Who brought her back to life Ito, and that is that it's an anti gravity fighting style designed specifically for Cyborgs to us in that she can fight in zero G, and she has a fighting style. This designed to kind of take out all the people that she's going to be coming across when she does it. She also has what's known as perimeter resin brain as opposed to the water of fluid that would take place in her brain area. She actually has this kind of other liquid. In there which allows her to very well resist trauma, so whereas you might get hit in the head, and your brain shakes around a little bit. You get what we call a concussion or a brain injury. alita is completely immune to that. So this allows her to take high levels of damage and keep on fighting as if nothing took place because her body kind of to. Release that pressure if you will and not take it to its core and take the damage that it would otherwise have I'll get into that a little bit in my point number two. Another thing that she has is a knowledge of robotics, and if there's one thing I know about a space western that brave star said that there's GonNa be a heck of a lot of robotic stuff going on in this world, whether it's automated doors to weaponry to Gosh people, and she has a very high level hacking ability, and she is immune to the effects of. Of Hacking on herself so if we do tend to bring in any of this future technology stuff, she is going to be able to deal with it because it is something that's programmed into her to be able to do so what you have here is a master robotic assassin so high strength high durability speed all the above. I'll get to that in a SEC. And she has the ability to fight. As it comes, take the things that are coming at her, not even necessarily how or why so? She doesn't necessarily to think through the battle. She instinctively wins fights and I think that's important. When facing of really powerful character like brave star, and that is my point number one. Against interesting point, so so would you say she has a higher fighting ability in an environment with no gravity or with gravity I'd say she's really really strong in both a small of stature character, but she knows how to use that to her advantage by getting under people's attacks, coming upwards, and really hitting them real real hard now. If you're GONNA fight, Alita in zero G I think you're in deep trouble, because literally that is the basis of her fighting style. Depp being said she can pretty much get you no matter where you're going. Got It. Okay, and you're saying. She's got a lot of our high level of durability, do I mean? What can she tank? I mean I've seen her tank? All kinds of things I. don't want to Spoil my point number two a little bit, but learn say that when it comes to like high impact shots. She's able to take them bounce back and then keep on going forward. Got It so okay, so she's got a good high level durability I'll leave it at that. Okay? I'm not going to press you any of those points because I think a leader, I love the character and what's great about this about her, is that she often fights above her way class and you know again soon. She looks like a smaller. person if you didn't know any better, but I again, she can take out things much more powerful than her I'm fully aware that okay. Let me get to my point. Number One and let's talk about this I. Call this brave stars, legendary power so for those. Are you mentioned that you are familiar with the classic? Animated series of Braves Star again. Do yourself a favor immediately after the show check out the intro to the brave star cartoon series on Youtube, and feel free to watch my episodes on Youtube as well on top dean. Absolute masterpiece the. Also reveals brave stars, spiritual and magic based powers to summarize. He's got the powers of a hawk, a Wolf Puma and bear, but sound like he's getting the literal abilities of each of these animals. Oh, no, he's got the magnified versions. Let me explain it. He's got the is a hawk, which means he can see things, miles and miles away in great detail. He can see you know small movements. Movements in objects that are miles away is further away than regular Hodkinson, but it's pretty much along the same lines. He's got the ears Wolf, which enabled to hear things from far away distances, many times that of regular human his hearing so good he can hear things that are underground and those. That was a pretty cool, but the other two animals. You Know I. Don't know something's kind of different so. So, he's got the speed of the Puma right. While according to Google a Puma can run anywhere from forty to fifty miles per hour, which is pretty good as a human can be trained to run about twenty eight miles per hour, or so however embrace our act, you know is the speed of a Puma. He runs way faster than fifty miles per hour. For example, he's able to run in A. A circle so fast they created a win cussin' that was able to slow down the descent of a large spaceship. He easily dodges laser fire outpaces spaceships when he's running like in a race against them and run so fast into the distance that he vanishes from sight in seconds rumor has it that he's able to run at speeds approaching two hundred miles per hour, which makes him the same class speedster. quicksilver marvel comics, and now my favorite of all this is the strength of bear so according you know it's my research again, because I do my research, a grizzly bears about equal in strength about six humans or one James Gab sie, now six humans represent a lot of strength, but braves star demonstrates a demonstrates strengthen as much much again much higher than that for example brave star is able to pick up a boulder, the size of a car with one hand and throw it. Hundreds of yards away with pinpoint accuracy is able. This is crazy. He can pull the walls of cave closer together as in. He literally pulled. A Cabo opening together which means you know? He closed the opening of a mountain I I'm still trying to wrap my head around it the way that you know, we would close curtains on window. He did that with a cave He strong enough to catch a spaceship inflate as it was passing by him. Drag it to a stop an air and again while so near firing, its rockets have full blast fray star was able to spin it around at super speed report, throwing it in the opposite direction from. From where it came, and it flew into the side of a mountain, speaking spaceships brace are was strong enough to pick up a super large spaceship that looked like a pirate ship, and then throw it into space. And finally he was able to smash the ground with his fist so hard that causes shockwave, which toppled people, vehicles and buildings. I'm no scientist. I'm pretty sure though that abair isn't that strong, but the point remains that with the spiritual magical based powers of super site, super hearing super speed. Super, ability and insane super strength brave star makes for a devastating opponent. That's my point number. One Look I'm not gonNA. Take anything away from brave you. Actually I think you said a lot of good stuff in there. Some of the research I did into brave star brought up similar numbers. You know he moves revisited. Don't be fooled by the eyes of a hawk and the strength of a bear speed of Puma. It goes far beyond that that's just to give you a frame of reference to what he's talking. Talking about he is, he is everything that you said e-, even potentially a little bit more. It's still not enough to be the leader, but I'm actually not going to dispute a whole heck of a lot of what you said. Because that is baseline, brave star, and I'll be honest I thought you were going to break those points up two points, one two and three, so a little bit nervous that if that whole thing is your starting point where we're going from there, I'll just leave it at that. Rave got nothing to be nervous about. Except for my points number two three Dale. Do you have anything to add for both points number one for rain? or any questions the thing about Alita. That you guys kind of alluded to. But never outright said is that she can be like her opponents can underestimate her. Does. This tiny female body! If you encounter somebody who's bigger and stuff, they're gonNA. Take it for granted. And probably. Be surprised when they get attacked buyer ray. How strong is alita elitist very strong I'm GONNA. Give you some examples of that in point number two and it's funny. You mentioned that her height and the under estimation that people have for my entire third point is just call body so. I have a lot of going to say about that, but to feed into it Yes. I'm absolutely going to talk about what you mentioned there. In just a moment there, but I would say that she's very very strong. When I get into my point number two, you'll see some good examples thereof. Okay, and that's all I have and also that intro is one of the best interest for brace star. Absolutely I mean. I think if we all could have that. Same actor do a personal intro for like Daniel or ray or myself, and we could just like walk into someplace, a PTA meeting or something like that Ray. What animal powers would you have just wondering? Oh, I'd obviously I'd have the the mouth of a Hyena. The the speed of an Armadillo and I would have the the toughness of a barnacle. That's. That tracks actually that makes sense that makes a lot of sense. I would just keep the powers of brave star because someday I hope to grow up to be like him Dan. Would you use similar animals or go to dip direction I've always been a fan of panthers so. That would be I would like the agility of a big cat. Awesome. My aunt had like over fed her cat, so it was like big was not agile, so I'm not thinking. That's the same. Okay, so I like was going. Let's go ahead and hit a point number two ray. What have you got? We're GONNA talk about the strength, speed and durability. Durability of Lita. Battle Angel because we kind of gave you the basics told you who this character is being that. She's a cyborg bounty hunter with kind of unlocked potential inside of her, but let's give you some specific examples of what we're talking about here. There's a point where she goes down into the basement a basement bar basically and she's trying to. To recruit people to come on her side, and they laugh at her. They say you're like this. Four foot eleven cyborg lady. We don't really have a good reason to respect you because we're a sexist terrible people. Okay Great, so what she does is she kicks a bounty hunter so hard. She kicks him so hard that he rolls. He rolls like one. One of those cartoons where the guy get stuck in the tire, and he just keeps rolling forever except he rolls through the bar, he rolls into an entire mob of his associates. They roll up the stairs of the bar. They go flying through the door of the bar if they were shot out of a cannon and they go flying into the night. One kick. Delivers that much power endeavour station so if she gets a kick on, brave star. He's going flying. That's something. I know absolutely for sure. Also she fights a lot of cyborgs. Brave stars great, but he is at the end of the day just a person. He doesn't have robotic enhancements, so he's kind of relying on these mystical abilities, science versus magic once again. James, who knew? But, she's been elite has been known to decapitate other cyborgs with a kick, and they have reinforced spines as those heads shouldn't flying. She decapitates him with an entire kick. She's known to smash through walls this by being like. Oh, I need to be over there. Womb her body just goes flying through brick and steel walls as if they're tissue paper as if they're nothing. Additionally, you've talked about the speed of brave star running two hundred miles per hour speed of a Puma. That's pretty good. In short dodging dashing mechanics. ALITA has been known to move at just under mach, one mach one being and I looked it up for this because I love to do math when. When it's ahead of time seven hundred and sixty seven miles per hour, so if we're comparing a guy who can run it two hundred miles per hour and somebody who can combat dash at. We'll say like seven hundred and fifty miles per hour. Obviously, one is supremely faster than the other, and we just have to take that into account. Additionally, she could jump way high in the air. There's plenty of examples in the Manga of her being able to jump. You know roughly three four or five stories and just jump on top roofs of buildings. Whatever the heck she wants to I. Haven't necessarily seen. Brave star able to batch that sort of a strength and speed feet. Additionally, she's been known to move faster than sound said before the Mach one moving, which is the speed of sound of to at least my base, primitive brain understanding of it, so she was able to dodge the mkaku cutters which is a character named Mkaku, who is Borg heeds brains. He's a terrible person. That's all you really need to know about. She. At four times, the speed of sound and she was able to dodge out of the way despite moving considerably slower than that because she's just able to do it and use her Height disadvantage to her advantage and get out of the way of such things. A couple of things I want to talk about here is her endurance. We're going to talk about the fact that she was running at a very very high speed. She kind of lost her footing was trying to change the directions and wasn't taking the environment into consideration. She slipped and slid into a car and just blew her way. Way through the entire car through the fence that was going on behind it stopped when she finally like her momentum stopped there just got up and kept running again because it did virtually no damage to her whatsoever additionally, she decided she wanted to see what was under the world scrap yard, so she found this chasm, and down, which in the Manga it looks to be at least ten stories she even like. Badly and she crashes on kind of a higher pinnacle, higher peak down there, and then bounces off of that under the ground below and stands up. It was like well. That wasn't very good, but here we are. She can take a lot of damage. You can take fall damage. She could take a beating and keep on going. She's Alita and that's my point number two. You know again. Elite is impressive. There's just no other way around it and thanks to the magic of the eighties. Ray You've. Kind of tuned into this a little bit. We don't get to see a lot of extreme violent behavior. In the he man brave stars Shiro series like you know you don't see. He man break someone's arm or you know, toss someone or even punk someone that hard is not a lot of brawling like bloodthirsty brawling going on, but you know I, I know the latest got that and she's a master of it They'll think about eighty characters, and we are taking them out of their environment. We do these neutral location where eighties family parent conference, groups, and the standards and practices board do not get a say in how brave star in this battle, which is a plus for brave star that he's taken away from that less violent world so I actually think that works very well in your favor, because obviously when comparing somebody from a very brutal anime to basically anywhere else, the anime is brutality is going to stand out. That's true. The the one thing I will say about brave star when you compare them to like the Sheera. He Man You know in other series like that brace was. Way More had a much higher level of violence in that show and I'm not saying yeah, nothing nothing compared with like a leader. Don't get me wrong, but it was definitely way more. You saw him. Actually Punch you. Actually upper cutted some character into the sky until he disappeared like that that I was just like I'm not sure more impressed that someone got launched skyward with an. An uppercut or that we actually saw him connect with an uppercut on someone so okay, that's good. The the main question I have ray you said Alita can crashed through a wall and you made a noise. Can you repeat the noise that represents Alita crashing through that wall again, please. I'll be honest. I'm I'm not a jukebox James Galaxy. I will not be your a trained dancer today. So you're saying you don't remember the noise you made when you said she went through walls, correct. It's easy to forget something when you wish to forget James. Fair enough I good point on your part I. Don't have a ton of say about it. I I agree with everything you're saying so. I'm just going to have to go to my point number two. Which is where I'm going to talk about race stars weapons his tack and his training. He's part of the space marshalls like a better term, so he's been with him since he was a kid, and he's been training in combat for his whole life, so he's got the martial arts training and one thing that he's really got a lot of is the ability to restrain appeal because that's what he's gotTa. Do is arrest them so on top of the training. Let's talk about his advanced tack. His Twentieth Century Tech, and weaponry that he carries on him at. At all times, so briefs are has an advanced tech visor that defense from the brim of his cowboy hat. I loved his visor because it looked really similar to the same type of sunglasses, Macho man, randy savage used to wear where it was just like not to lenses. One like Really Weird Ski Masks Lens thing happening and I don't know who were better, macho man or brace are I'm GonNa go brace are in that case, so the tech advisor itself again. Descends from the brim of his cowboy hat, and it has a whole bunch of things such as telescopic lenses that enable him to see far off businesses, which didn't make sense. If you already start off, having you know is of a hawk, but whatever he's got a microscopic lend, so he can like Zarian in. Really see you know things very smaller. Zoom in on that way. He's got advanced tracking tech like infrared an X. Ray capabilities was allowed to see inside of buildings, and here's what's interesting. Interesting, it also enables him to to detect cybernetic lifeforms something he encounters on a daily basis on the plan of new taxes, and that means he'll be able to detect kind of exactly what Lee is now I'm not saying he'll be able to detect what she can do, but he'll be very clearly alluded to the fact that she has cybernetics improbably probably has enhanced power levels, abilities, and what you this also has a voice amplifier that enables braves to weaponize his voice and create many tremors in. That was a really freaky one for me now he also has a neutral laser pistol that when shot can paralyze any opponent with organic parts of any kind ranging fully organic beings to Cyborgs, as long as a little bit of organic materials that person they get paralyzed it can also shoot freeze blast, and some of the way that Mr Freezes with his gun that can encase people or parts of them. in solid ice, the blast herself can also deflect laser blassie so accurate with it. Someone was shooting a laser blast atom any shot the laser blast with his laser pistol if that makes any sense. Sense I. It's also very powerful, can blast through large buildings sides of mountains in down large spaceships. You can also destroy huge robots with a single shot, but there's more. He has an energy shield on his arm that can block laser and energy blasts reflected redirect energy, based attacks and strong enough to protect brave star from a direct from a missile, and on top of all that he's got these really cool super powerful Tomahawks that he can throw like batterings. I don't think they return back to him, but he's super actor with it. He threw one. That wasn't really that big and he took out like five. That were attacking. That were like Andrew, looking things he's got a rocket-propelled rope that can be used to entangle opponents or used to climb up buildings and mountains. He's got an energy lasso. This kind of like a lightsaber meeting Alaska kind of thing. He's got energy based handcuffs. Why, not he's also got a whip Bolas and his marshal's Badge Daschle Badge can be thrown to cut through solid rod, so on top of being super powerful brave star is constantly armed with twenty third century tech that he knows how to use like an expert, and that's my point number two, and this is where I figured you as brave star would have a little bit of an advantage because while I think Alita is faster stronger tougher. Matchup and brave star the thing you have to take into account as brave star has a lot more gear and a lot. More Tech than a leader brings to the table I. in fact, he has long range attack capabilities. Leader really doesn't do that a lot. She counts on a closing the gap very very quickly and hitting you real real good in the right spot that being said, is that all gear? Brave Star carries with him at all the time. It seems like there's a lot of stuff there. What is he carrying eight thousand pounds of gear every time he leaves the house. We're talking twenty third century tech here. Yes, he carries all that stuff by the way energy base handcuffs, not really a big item. He's got a whip that small. Bolas was in your back pocket. His Marshal's badges tiny. His Shield on his form is an energy shield, so that doesn't take a lot of room and the rest of it. It's like a neutral pistol that he has on his hip. Hip and the Macho Man Randy savage visor that comes down again, not a lot of space needed for this advanced twenty third century, Tech Race decanes I mean that's fair, but also saying that he looks better than the Macho Man Randy savage. That's now you're starting to border on religious territory with me, so you might just want to back off that rhetoric just a little bit. I'll tell you what I'll tell you what it's interesting that brave. Start never slapped into a slim Jim. I'm pretty sure in the twentieth century they realized. Maybe killing our chance for a good sponsor here, but that slim jims were not the right food to be eating at that moment were now at the magical moment of our show is called turning point Daniel and this is where you tell us who you think is is ahead in the battle, and what the other opponent has to do to get the win McKay man. This is a hard one because this i. feel like this is. Even match like no matter what a brave star could deal out ALITA could take it, but I feel like whatever Alita can do. Raise Star does have at least a device that he can counter with her I think I think breaks are is in the lead right now. It's going to have to take. Take, some strong convincing that ALITA has some some tricks of per sleep interesting. I'm a little worried that you said that because if anyone's got truest. kanus okay all right all right okay ray. Breach ours. A little bit ahead is what I'm getting here from Daniel, but it doesn't mean that leads this fight. Hit us with your point number three point number three. Let's just talk about the body of a lead in starting off. I wasn't gonNA. Start off with this, but since it was brought up already, let's get it all out of the way, Alita generally despite the number of bodies that she takes a place in over the course of the Manga. She always seems to stand about the same size four foot eleven, so she's underestimated by a heck of a lot of the people and I. Don't think Brave Star would be. be any different He would not be expecting the type of power. That's such a small frame would be able to dish out in such a quick amount of time, so if it does happen to be in a quick battle I think brave star absolutely can get knocked down and potentially be put on the ropes hard enough that elite can finish the fight before a lot of this gear gets brought onto the table because of that sort of taking for granted that he's going to be able to overpower her, which he will not, but there are a couple of aspects to it I'm using. What's the known as the? The Berserk or body for this particular battle, because she does go through several iterations throughout the Manga, but I felt the one that best exemplified the character and what she can do is the preserver body, so she has the ability to control plasma plasma, being a very very what hot energy! She has a plasma jet as part of her body as part of her robotic exterior, which allows you to do a lot of things one that allows you to move like Tony Stark or he's able to point the thing downwards with his feet, and his hands that allows sort of move at a super sonic speed. Okay, it also allows for. For her to cut off limbs, she disguises this just a regular punch, but she's punching. She releases the plasma jet from her hands, and she ends up cutting arms clean off of her robotic opponents. Imagine if it can do that to reinforce, steal an armored reinforced steel at that would, it could do a human if it absolutely came down to it. She also has the ability to control electromagnetism, and this is very important when fighting a character like brave star, who has all manner of gadgets. Her electromagnetism power allows her to create kind of electro magnetic fields, all rounder that means that she's been able to. Were example charge somebody. To the a level of energy where they get struck by lightning that has happened in the Manga. She's been able to use electromagnetic fields as a shield for things that are incoming honor, so if if some of these NASA whips or what have you? She's just gonNA use electromagnetism and she's GonNa be able to not only deflect the attack, but maybe get rid of the weapon entirely. Another thing that she did in one of the really exciting cool things that she brings to the table. Unexpected is is the fact that her high level of knowledge of robotics and technology that I sort of mentioned in point number one combined with her powers of the plasma jet and electromagnetism. She was able to not only cut limbs off of characters like lens of robots. This character Mkaku is brain eater, who super at it's sort of one of the first big bads that she faces in the Manga he has item called the other grind cutters, which you know, again moved four times faster than sound, and so this is a very very powerful sharp. That he uses to feed all of his enemies. When she was able to dodge, get out of the way of it. She was able to hit that weapon such away with knowledge of robotics that the next time that he went to fire off and use that weapon. The weapon exploded. Okay, so when fighting brave star soon that she's going to have the closing power to close speed. I should say to close the gap between them and start fighting as soon as he tries to use these gadgets. She's going to be able to kind of understand. Understand no very quickly with her. You know brain and her knowledge of robotics, and she is going to be able to maneuver with electromagnetism. Some of the weapons though in brave star goes out and pulls out his sidearm, or what have you? It's going to explode in his hand. He tries to use it which might give lita a big enough opening that she can move at as I, said before supersonic speed, using the plasma jet and deliver that shot into orbit that she's going to need to hit. Brave Star with order to win this battle. And those items and those powers and abilities that no one would see coming, so the element of surprises in there is my point number three. Okay, I got admit something. I also did not see that coming so. What is the most devastating attack? Like give me an example of what she could do. She wanted to preserve commode like like who in marvel or DC, whatever which he bit. What? What's that level at Oh man? It's hard because you're comparing two different universes, and this is a cyberpunk kind of a world, and obviously marvel's presenting a little bit of a a cleaner science. If you will, so you have to keep in mind to the cyborgs that she's fighting. Walcott very durable, very powerful, they are sort of cobbled together by master robotics experts, generally speaking, they're either fixed up recreated in the first place to achieve certain goals in those organizations. Got You know I? Think CYBORG has a more wide array of powers, but at least as far as durability goes a character like a cyborg from DC might be appropriate example, and if Alina got in on Cyborg, and it was just as simple fight, and not using some of the extra stuff Cyborg do, she could actually absolutely pull out her combat knife and be able to go all the way through them especially if he doesn't see it coming. Okay Wow, okay. That's a rough night for brave star. I'm knocked. There's no other way to say it. Unless brave star has a way to kind of like gnarly, even the odds, but to kind of surpass the beserk or state for relaxed better term of Alita. It's a rough night. It's it's it's neither do I have a strange feeling. You're about to present me exactly that. Yeah, it's funny, because luckily he's got exactly that with him. At all times, it's time. It's time to bring in the deputy, so brave star, he man. They actually have a yes. No do go on because I'm about to yell at you if you're about to do the thing I am not thinking you were going to do. I often do things that you think are not aware them about to do so feel free to yell. Brace aren't human. They've got a lot in common. They're both made by the same production company. They both were super powerful beings fueled by magical and supernatural sources. They both had some great villains they had to fight. They both had one hundred percent steroid-free physiques. I still wish this day I could have and they also had one more little thing in common, which may be the deciding factor in this battle. He just like how he man had battled cat fighting by his side. Side braves are also had a constant companion with them who goes by the name of thirty thirty so thirty thirty is an equestrian which is a cybernetic horse like creature, capable of shifting between You know humanoid in a horse forms you know at will, and he was also raised deputy so three thirty possessed insane, super strength, really because you speed and was super durable. He also carries. This is really cool. A hand held. Held shock on looking firearm that he called Sarah Jane in all actuality Sarah Gene was a hand, held positron cannon that had a kickback strong enough to knock back a group of People Sarah. Jane is so powerful. That brace star thought it could destroy a mountain on top of being expert marksmen, thirty thirty was also a great fighter. Brave Star, defeat the Legion of Villains outlaws on new taxes, but the real reason why thirty. Thirty well you know I'm just gonNA. Leave it at that see. Do you want me to go into my logic or would you like to start yelling? I'm ready to start yelling right now. We have rules for the WHO would win show. James and the rules are very simply put. No outside interference is allowed. When you used. He man, you did not use cringe her, but yet you're to suddenly bring in his his horse. WHO's a sentient being at to come and fight alongside of making this a two on one battle I need a ruling here. A James can you justify why that should possibly be allowed in the WHO would win battle well? Normally I wouldn't do something like this. Because that's an underhanded tactic in you know only someone who's clearly underhand whatever do that the first place and caused me to have to like do it in turn. I'M GONNA. Take our audience. Audience in our esteemed judge. Daniel back a few episodes. It was surprise. Enter from the GI, Joe Cartoon versus beast from the X. Men, race decanes you brought in surpassed tour's of flying chariot mistaken yeah I'll brought in the air chariot, because there always is with the air chariot. They literally had it ready for him when he was born so two minutes after being quote unquote birth, he got on the air chariot, flying around. It's essential to his character. He was even packaged in with it in the toy as I mentioned on this episode, so please just you know it's also not sentient, so stop right there. Okay well. Here's the deal, so just like just like that. That flying chariot brave star has thirty thirty literally with them everywhere you know he goes to the mayor thirty thirty s there. He goes to see his The and his father thirty thirty comes with them needs to go to the bathroom for some reason thirty three. Three zero to the whole point is wherever he goes through with them, but more importantly again I like to do my research and I googled brave star action figures just like because you're. You're winning. Argument by the way was that Circadian Tour was package with the flying chariot, and that is what our judge at the time said okay. I'M GONNA go with that that stands and I said I don't remember I, said okay. This is a really interesting precedent so I googled. Braves are action figures, and guess what I found raised Aquinas. You win those action figures. You could actually buy package together. Brave Star and his deputy thirty thirty. I don't think that's a good. I don't think that's good at all I. think that absolutely that's terrible precedent to be setting I don't think it should ever be on the record that vehicles that you come with should be part of a character. That's ridiculous. James, that is a terrible argument. And I think you should be struck down by the judge for it. Fair enough, so are you? Are you saying that the last win was to are in the flying? Chariot should not count that that was totally earned an I deserve that victory. I made great points in that battle. Okay. Let me didn't. The super I can't believe you're really really again. ALITA is powerful, super, capable opponent. Right? Look, she's superstrong. You did a good job of presenting her, and she's going to put up an insane blockbuster movie style. Fight against braves are that's why I fully expect, but the reality is really different because when you add up, know the spirit animals magical powers, the twenty twentieth century, tech and weaponry weaponry. Weaponry they knows how to use like an expert and the fact that yes, according to race, to Kane as you can use things that your package with. If you're an action, figure the fact that he has his deputy thirty three on side to take on a leader, so it's two on one according to race Aquinas. Totally allowable is pretty easy to see why braves are wins. This battle and And that is my point number three and I think that's an absolutely outrageous point. You're going to try to bring outside interference in this battle. Look I. don't even have a whole lot of counterpoint other than to say judge, you should not allow this. This should not take part in your decision. It would be madness just because it's packaged in with a toy does not mean that it should. Should be viable for a WHO would win battle? That's a ridiculous point to take, and I'm ashamed of you James for even trying to pull it. Pull it away. I was I. was I get it I? Understand exactly you're coming from I was equally ashamed of you raised a gayness when you brought up a previous battle, but you know I. Have I have no memory of that. Person now. Checkout who had went on Apple? PODCASTS versus beast to see what I'm talking about all right Dan. You've heard both sides. You've heard great points from Ray. You've heard great points for me. You've heard ray yelling because I'm using a tactic that he created and said president for a couple of episodes ago. Tell us take us through your whole process. Who has won this epic battle between Alita and breaks are. Okay. I just got one question. This will help me. Decide it railway ALITA when she's in beserk mode. Does she have control of ourselves? Yeah, and to be fair. It's not necessarily a preserver mode. It's called the preserver body. It's the name of the body. It's an ancient sort of fighting a chassis Because her first body got smashed apart of very very poorly in an earlier battle, and so she needed to be reconstructed, and they reconstructed her in this warrior body in the Manga Ooh. I am impressed that Alita did have some tricks perceived as I'm thinking about this I mean. The thing with brave star. He has to have thirty thirty with them like I can't think of race star without thirty thirty. It's just a part of who he is. So hot. I'm going to have to say like. The president has already been set. So you're actually allowing that point to be made I'm allowing that point to be made. Oh my goodness you. Do you esteem Judge Daniel? Yeah I think brave star. Has This I think he has us, he's. He's GonNa. Have a slight win with his tech and his. Steed deputy by his side on bullyish actually. I totally believe it. Look race, Takeda's. Something terrible decision. A. Guy Says elite is amazing. She's incredible. She's she's a combative genius whether it's zero G or not and brave star. Look the one thing about braves are. That was very evident in the series. Is that when it was against a regular sized? Royd or humanoid opponents, he had all the advantages I mean. He was stronger. WHO's faster, better, fighter everything? But when you put him up against something, bigger data or more powerful, that's when things kind of went a little south from at least for a little while, and he always able to bring in some outside help, whether it was a shame and his father figure or more, importantly, thirty thirty I gotTA. Tell you I think if brave star did not have thirty thirty by his side that he would not have the same chance to victory over this. Would you agree with that Daniel? I. Agree with that one hundred percent I. Want to give a special. Thank you to raise CAIN is for providing the inspiration to. Figure out 'cause I gotTA. Tell you where I did all the math and I'm like okay. Let me figure out the strategy and brave starring. Braves are has no feats that compare with the leader in terms of pure brutality, savagery, and the artistic ability to deliver both of those things, so I'm like what is he got was he got? It was by luck I decided to google. You know, brave star action figures, and that's when I saw thirty thirty was packaged with them again. Raise the gains. Thank you for help me. Get the win this week. Why do even have rules for the show? Why don't we just allow olive? Brave Stars friends to show up in a bus and attack. alita eighteen. Eighteen to one while we're going what the heck brave star has really really good friends and I think they would just help him. That's what I'm hearing right now. I'm outraged that we're just destroying the rule book. When I did it with sound wave to win that battle against war machine. They actually lived in inside of him, so I think five people joining. Joining his side actually makes a lot of sense here. What he just rides the Horse the horse stands on two legs and acts like a person. This is completely different circumstances. The people at home have to be enraged. The people at home have to be beside themselves with anger till they're red in the face because they know Hashtag Ray was robbed Hashtag raise. Raise right, this is this is an outrage, I am I am I am throwing to the people I'm not saying to to to to flame are judge he made. The decision pours it was that was best. You should flame at James Gav Zee on twitter, because of this underhanded and disgusting, frankly technique that he would try to use to win this battle. Hashtag. Thanks Ray for the win Hashtag. Gave Great Strategy by the way I just googled it a ray. You said to to look you know why not just bring a bus with all of his friends oddly enough there is no action figures for brave star with a bus or eighteen of his friends, so I actually couldn't bring that into the battle, but thanks for the suggestion. That was really cool. Happy with you right now. Okay Listen Daniel thank you so much for for putting up with Ray screaming I've encouraged him to use his indoor voice during the show. Someday he may use that. You know again great job great judgment. We always love having you on the show. Tell everyone where they can find you online. You can just find me on twitter at Daniel Emmons. And you can follow my sketch team at night church. And that's pretty much where we hang out. Thank you guys for having all your very welcoming. That's nicer. That's on twitch. Dot TV slash nightshirts, correct. Yep! Awesome! Fantastic raised Aquinas hyphen right now. I have learned once again that you not get over on someone's Childhood Fond Memories. You know this happened in an earlier battle when we used venom, and despite the fact that I. I had a much better argument with a much better character at the end of the day. Oh, when I was a kid, this character meant so much to me Oh. Was An important part of my childhood. We need to vet. The judge is better and ones that do not know anything about your character and have fond childhood memories of my characters. Let's start there. That was great. Okay, so so you're saying you're saying that you're you're you're you're okay with today's decision and I am not okay with today's decision. How dare you? How dare you? Even what people at home? Hashtag Ray was robbed? You saw what happened. Look. You can find me at Almighty. Ray, you can get anger. You can get frustration and I am here for you today I am here for you. Talk about the the rage. You feel inside. I'll be how how good is a Litas theme song on Youtube by the way I'll be honest. I didn't listen to it. 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Truth & Movies #127 - Return to the Overlook Hotel plus a Ken Loach call to arms

Truth and Movies: A Little White Lies Podcast

52:14 min | 1 year ago

Truth & Movies #127 - Return to the Overlook Hotel plus a Ken Loach call to arms

"So I was comfortable shining Ken loach delivers another slice of Social Norman Bates is judged restored to sanity coming up in truth and movies white lies it's Mike Alita hair it's going to host share this week sitting across from Hannah woodhead of little white lies one Stephen King though but seeing as well tapie next week or the week after we can tell you about it can you drop a clue front-section but in the back section it's kind of a All ask I think he feels even more special than usual for me so hopefully next week we'll tell you what doctor sleep continues the story of Danny Torrance forty years after his peace but that peace is shattered when he counts his Ampara a teenager with her own powerful extrasensory the closed down let it rot. We'll move up bringing you back for another Stephen King film but this isn't just simplisafe mccoubrey nine thousand nine hundred shining it's basically it's like an impossible task the Mike Flanagan is very but also a sequel to the film that many people myself included regard as one of the greatest listen to him and has done for decade how much he despises Kubrick's boom and related sequel as a book make focused entirely on the material that in the book which some of the Shining Kubrick made all kinds of changes to the plotting the woods and not with the film film viewer inevitably is going to have the iconography conciliation part of the kind of structure of his plotting the film is about different encouraged Dan who's now in his forties is we'll post made him he's an alcoholic he's he decides to change and engages in a program goes clean and immediately starts getting Mike the Father figure like the father in the shining and he's now writing this it's on his father who is a writer does end up writing he writes on the wall because as soon as room I should say even though she's hundreds of miles away on the other side of America because addresses these unresolved issues that he has and there's another group a group of people that had eating the fears and pain of those who have the shine so there are a group of vampiric doing what all sequels due its retreading old ground even reconstructed the old overlook hotel we go back to in its own direction that's really We think this is about Dan and in a sense it is about Dan but it's about Dan she's a bit more like a character from X. Men all indeed from the film from Paul mcguigan pushing them to form a kind of very elaborate country that you could only do these now and something given how heuristic the project walls it's pretty amiable and likable horror film way you go back to the overlook hotel where literally all the ghosts from the original film return they come back they're locked in a loop they just repeat exactly the same lines and need and nothing ever is going to change them and that is the way that the film is able to I'm thinking of the marketing this leans heavily on the iconography of the Stanley Kubrick film film might be a bit baffled by the amounts of law and you were feeling uncharitable you could say this is almost like the Star Wars prequels where Stas who guide characters through their power it's really very different beast the shining you know big big place in my heart and I actually watched it after watching to sleep which stove incredible film whereas doctors didn't really do a so you've done something wrong if you think that you can make a longer film than Standing Cooper I an unwieldy in my opinion I think there were so many kind of narrative so many moments well do we did we need to see this like we could have taken explain what's going on because the same many details I think in the shied away from the supernatural elements of his story and it was much be honest I think it's pretty clear that the shining is Israel but this seat I was a furry bloated north very scary kind younger and repackaging it for I it is because the iconic images that we associate with it like the elevators in the grady sisters Oh bad I go again I just lost all of its impact for me because I was the sequel which is trying to bring back elements of the inaugural but tells a new story it may use a lot of the same the same music cues at certain points but love let's just call them shining vampires led by Rebecca Ferguson who looks walkouts he wants to talk to sleep which is what the the Monica he adopts the hospital is working he's going to die and can help them bridge the gap between the living in the debt and the idea that you it is interesting because you say cynical hundreds it's almost like income and this is where we can talk about Mike the Question of Stephen King Kubrick fans horror fans people read King novels in terms of feature films his stepping out party and say some got his work is he doesn't try to look like Kubrick I mean he rebuilds the sense of the overlook but he in quite deliberately don't quite look like those characters and I think it's that you know one he's trying to distance himself and not trying to be exactly the same as the original film even though he's Coma Cynthia if you look at Oculus if you look at Ouija origin of evil possibly one of the best and that is exactly what this film is addressing and I think he kind of knows what he's doing I mean Mike Lenton has real carry does he has characters I found I could believe him and then I quite liked demint to think of labral as a straightforward lead character it clear that she complexity of characterization which is quite typical of my clinic work and which kept me I'm the perfect harmful to me if it will by anyone else I would regard us too long because it bit of film and I'm not even going to get into a debate about that but I did enjoy it and I certainly wasn't born blind anything she's really really good to know I'm pretty sure that she was someone that they just found picking up from the shining as this kid who was born however and she I think Mcgregor I'm not really a fan but I think he he does do a pretty decent yeah she's she's been excluded ten year old girls and she has that almost if she didn't have this kind of band of cronies working I don't think it's fair to say it's not terrifying if you're going into this looking a scary movie I don't Oh and I do think the scene that he's in his very not not terrifying disturbing Provo unfortunately now with -tations Stephen King books that quite afraid to get any Scott that's point I think even when we talked to we talked so we have a whole podcast about what schools would you give doctor sleep so in anticipation gets this tries to reconcile until two and a full enjoyment I'd say also the presenting you with metaphors trying to the shining finally found aww think very healthy dyson skeptism and then enjoyment even king films in the last year which is not what Michael said Shakey's under chapter two I suppose I this is best in class one thousand nine hundred king one that's a Stephen King adaptation to so many of them and it's funny this is the one that he doesn't have a cameo in because he's both in summitry search an intriguing watch is surprising macho I was never bored and Tony's directs mentioned Jacob Tremblay he might like brings back some of his own stable the one scene in that film possible to watch it so unpleasant will I don't I didn't like the haunting entail house which is weird because it sounds very much like my kind of thing sorry for all film and he just you know I think he does a quick take your always spice to be film by very nice person to film and Onery old bloke called Ken Loach the Cannes Prize winning I Daniel Blake with this exploration of the contemporary world of work. Now I've got pride at the drive a staff you you come on board we like to call it on boarding it will work for targets you may delivery stunts there's no wages become available you sign up with us you become an order drive a Franchisee do you that how do we should just say that every time and you can watch film comes out the same divisive going into this film catch nowadays I mean I I did agree with Ken Loach and the the this Gig economy and the Cerro and working class family working class area of Sheffield and yeah I know you depressed and struggling to feed her family so I- tightly one hundred percent I to come from an important part of our society I think I'd probably be a lot more interested in a lot more forgiving alighted he's the and that's the thing people have said about this film Oh you know bess about this very very real issue why why make it a fiction film if accused of forcing all about the welfare state like a sipe opera it's so kind of laden with misery and laden with these wife who is literally a carers what she does she cares what she actually says in the film points and it just it seems to paint people with such broad strokes mhm I suppose that's a sticking point with some people when Chris critics organised it's about everyone else in the film how the chiefs to these economy forces you to just become another number on the system in someone's they have a job and the job is very bad I'm not saying that this film Brady Sola right and I suppose can Ken Loach's status as pretty much only Asian where many directors work in this area where whereas Ken loach polarity a particular woman you'd love working class women making films and in the Salihi constructed it's not a desert against Ken loach it's more of a sort of more interesting lens than Ken Loach Who's been essentially come on he's been making not she's a because had a really white cast I think that everyone in that film you think about all the time that's passed since since I don your bike and how that will has changed change so you know I it's to make these films and to say like Yum raising in kind of you know going back in I mean is prophets from this going to help people who are on these Zeros within is actually going to do anything to help these people beyond making them quote unquote seen local grassroots activism it's more successful than the identify grassroots eighteen with his period of films from Raining Stones Onwards and Paul Avid the zero hour contract to the GIG economy that when you see it played out dramatically pasted from a commentary article on topic else I think is very interesting about Hello y you know white working class men have today but there are a lot of people think lays then sorry we missed you wants to make it look what would you make position about British imperial incursions into Iran in in a way that's what I think sorry we missed you is like it's like that disquisition used marvel films being cinema I don't really want to get into that debate but if you're mation which presents to US and affiliate didactic fashion but it doesn't really I'll do it really really really well and I would much rather watch the films the museum I didn't I scene where the wife Abby Keira walks pasta street sign wait is so important that it deserves to be better presented so that more people will pay attention film is straightforwardly fond and we will find entertainment we want to find it on there's and So I think I think that was my main problem however they're all they're all some things I liked about little bit false I think can you see the initials PDF and innocent pdf is that that's an acronym that CBS it clear that his employer Maroni who in the clip is he actually states they take on the information that's being collected on them by the scandal and what we're really seeing is trying to reach humanize these carriages by showing them not just having ricky at work but then showing ricky absence and his wife's absence because of the pressures that they took his family we start realizing actually is quite politicized and also has artistic aspirations and the police and all of this you can see all of these different problems spiraling out of what really is the vulnerable for the family and then as I pulled the door to Lisa who's played by let me make sure I get his name correct is something missing from this film I guess in a way the title sorry we missed you talk about that tick program that connects all those points data's again or that's what I really want from Phil I I appreciate it more having heard on speak now I think maybe I am important issue and I do hope the film can have the power to influence is a nasty Boston they're not gonNA that GONNA be touched by this they don't two hundred three to two but let us know what you make of sorry missed you ought flash PODCAST UP NEXT WE HAVE film club which is another belated sequel on the assembly line handing over keys hammering assembling hardworking hands it 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Cannes 2019 Special # 1

Truth and Movies: A Little White Lies Podcast

10:26 min | 1 year ago

Cannes 2019 Special # 1

"Greetings, from can it's Mike alita hair sitting atom Woodward in white lies, flats requests, a flats upon the GARRETT'S. For hey reporting for truth and movies from the canned film festival last night. The proceedings Hicks with the overnight film of the debt don't die joy to by Jim Jarmusch what we from Cam this year. Adam how's the coverage going to run out? So if anyone listen to this patches from here last year, it's going to be something similar, but we're going to throw in a few extra surprises few special guests, hopefully also TVs still, but yeah, we're going to just be reporting from the festival, I think joining give listeners a flavor what it's like to attend to cover that was biggest impress to journalist. And also reviews will be running on the website for the jurisdiction. Yes. So Hannah will be appearing on this as well. But she's squirreling away with with a review of the moments that I from the website later. Hopefully, so we've been here for two evenings so far we've had two pieces. Plenty more to come. Sure. What was your favorite pizza? Not yet to have pizza. I had a pepperoni last night. A bit heavy from lupita the restaurant. I think they'll Piazza pizza the night before might have been better favorites. Oh, it's second lap yet. So it will be returning there but more regularly, but we have seen one film. Jim Jarmusch is that don't die. She we'd go through some reactions to that. We've had. Yeah. I was just not long kind of woken up and gone on to Teran's scenes of the reactions. It seems fairly mixed of surprised actually at the end of the film is very muted round of applause. The press screening we were in. I thought it was a pretty fun opener generally speaking, and it's picked whether it's in competition elephants as the opening film. I think Canada has more of a tradition of having slightly more slightly more middling, entertaining broader opening films and the first year. I was here. The opening film was midnight in Paris would've, right? The year that was like Moore is kingdom with under since film. So generally speaking, something that's going to ease. You into the festival, certainly I think I preferred this to last year's open. Which is the for hardy. Everybody knows this was sort of inspired by a song in a different way. Fascinating. Right. This this song by was the name of theon Cest stir jill's Simpson I think he's a fictional country. Folksinger completely real country. Go three albums. Yeah. This is an example of Jim Jarmusch picking as he has in previous films with think bowing Lewis left alive, why they talk about Jack white or coffee and cigarettes where literally the white stripes in Tom white cetera. He will take out his favorite musicians and say you're going to be in my film and its title is from the song. Which is I think we can say theme song that appears in the film, quite a lot. Yeah. It's definitely a Jim Jarmusch zombie movie in every sense of the word exactly what it says on the ten Ron seal style and say that deadpan humor all the activity expect to be Jim Jarmusch film, his own music populate the soundtrack with those squalls of distortion and guitar all the way through. Through all of his little symmetric concerns in philosophical Connery's are in there. I must say it was a quite fun opener for me. But maybe a little bit is appointing competitive recent Renna films, certainly didn't have the. The central formats or the dramatic after midnight Patterson, which was his last film certain to pay here and he's returning without drive. And I think the cost across the board of good here. Maybe not giving a huge amount to do Tilda Swinton. I think is was the star performer for me. Yeah. I think on paper Jim Jarmusch zombie genre. Such a good match because you know. You have two or three different types of cloth historic cinematic zombies, and you've got the twenty eight days later frenzied furious. Or you've got the classic Romero kinda stumbling slow ambling zombie. And which is definitely I guess he grew up with those foams, and he's pay more much to that. And his own laid back slightly dodgy pace. I think would suit that on paper quite well. I think this just runs a little bit of that this on be effects, and some of the the Mahara inspired scenes. I think very good very well executed, but there is a lot of this is just John machine kind of autopilot mode with his script this characters. Just kind of idly passing the time I spent which is not something that's something. I Soci with him really autopilot think about his films, even when they don't work. They they don't work because he's going so deep into his own head or following his own muse limits of control and. And was left alive the vampire movie had its own mixed reaction. It's detractors. I loved that film because it really was a he was using the vampire mythos away of interrogating. His own sense of what poetry and romanticism and art meant to him and same with coffee and cigarettes as well. Use the short vignettes is an exploration of everything that interests him. I don't can't censor. I do wonder all of its pleasures or these surface of media pleasures and many of those rip in the cast listing. Bill Murray khloe Savini till swinson, Tom waits steep Shemi, incredibly stacked cast and the resource like the adventures of the Jim Jarmusch world if you've seen any of his films I've seen all his films. They'll be somebody from I think every film he's made popping up again in this is even from mountain climbing. It's a real real quick esta balance all the way from stranger than paradise. She pops up again, so driver, who's his his partner and long-term creative counsel and director in her own Ryan Basquiat documentary. I think we talked on this last year, she pops up as well as one of his own these feels like he's. Almost surveying the cinema university created himself and trying to do something with it here. But then I don't think that's much more than that problem is quite fun. Which is fine. I think it's very hard film. I think to dislike because and this necessarily a negative or criticism. But it feels like no one's really trying too hard with it. It's kind of on the surface kind of movie, but that's the down die. I suppose we can see what Hannah thought later on today review goes up. What else we seen today? So this is the first property. We've got a couple of competition films later on I'm really excited for from called Nighthawks. I'm not really sure of a snippet of it you in the opening ceremony. Stay it looks where wild director called clever Minton caffeine low. Yeah. I think film here for years ago in can generally, well, regarded so that should be very hot ticket early on. You're saying something really interesting. I'm already classic. I'm going off into the weeds almost immediately here. So there are many signed bars extra selections one is can classics which is usually for restorations documentaries about the artists cinemas in a small cinema writer for the top of the Palais, and you can find some real delights there in the past. I've seen I saw the documentary about Carey grant, I saw there. What's the restorations account? Remember real find some good stuff this year. They have the opening film for canned classics this year is now a mated films is very much on brand for me at listeners will know that it's a nineteen fifty eight Japanese animated feature one of the very first features that animated features that you created called the white snake and Chantiers, I know nothing about this. But it's just popped up. It's been restored. But sixty years down. On the line. It's going to be a really fascinating March. That's what's good about festivals can sometimes being track and find something completely unique indifference while everyone is engaging with the discourse over the competition films. Exactly, a new suit everyone more in the Churchill's and seeing different times as well. But I think we're trying to report on the the big stuff is as we see it. But also some of the more interesting curious from different cyber something that people don't realize about Canada. There is the official selection, which is in one massive complex near the Palais to cinema. But then there's directors four nine thousand critics weaker which are essentially separate festivals just happened to be going on at the same time in their further down the beach, and it is a dedication of time to walk out half an hour down the road to go to Critic's week and maybe queue up and keep up in the sun or the rain. It's been raining this morning, so think of carrying umbrellas king hours with with the awful critics law we have, but I guess we'll check in again tomorrow. Tomorrow. I think this first week is very front loaded. It will be trying to keep people across the festival for now. And then see how we go next week here. Should we expect held microns in the future more truth movies regulars and yet familiar voices familiar voices going to get a few people in across different aspects of the festival, so maybe some people from positions roles people who cover as PR we'll see hopefully, we'll try and get few interview clips it's actually interviewing Jim Jarmusch tomorrow. So see if we can get anything out of that hopefully up a few nicer prizes, and we can update with pizzas as we go. Adam. Thank you sitting down. With me. I Mike leader this has been truth and movies reporting from the canned film festival brought to you by seventy.

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Tell congress youre fired

The big d zone

11:22 min | 2 months ago

Tell congress youre fired

"Okay well. I'm looking into DIS all these video that give a report on stimulus check. I don't understand it if a second of orders both Regina and things that both be retroactive. Why do we have to wait two weeks? For the boost to come up because I like only one thirty three ever since the Does the thing, the the boost expired on well early ours aspired July. July twenty fifth, not the thirty first ours immaturity as by on July twenty. Fifth. And with only one week. Away I didn't get the last all. Six, hundred and and. I, only get. Pay One because the question was way. The way was tricked. When, when the stupid work requirements came back and even wanted for for self employed people. Man. So the two weeks won't fall until. So I got duties and invites I try to get my trip by size. Now might still might make the hotel, but I probably might make when I'm Dan. But I'll have to somehow pay for the flight and the whole thing. And then I'll have to. Well the buses easy because that's like sometimes you the forty fifty dollars or something like that. But then they'll be here. Because I only get like one, hundred, thirty, three. and. So I mean, this is ridiculous and then I want to try a new airport which is in Kansas City. To go to Florida because Greyhound. At ungodly hour at three, three, fifteen in the tag on morning. And your driving on all hours of the morning you'll at least go in the afternoon and then get the Saint Louis at night. I mean I. Saint. Louis Kansas City at night. But then that means the had well, I wouldn't have to worry because because the two week it wait for two weeks I'll have the money. Retroactive. As ridiculous two weeks can't have a wreck riot threat to after now two weeks. As most of the video that they for me Kevin to DC. Tech. Dubose say two weeks are that are shit? Really. Unbelievable absolutely. Unbelievable. Stupid bickering? Turn out to be the WWe in a whole year. Wow Wow. Wow. Wow. Well, I'm still going to keep my reservation because I got to be out here. I got to be out here I don't want no memory creeping up on me. While I'm here. On that, on the twentieth on the morning of the twenty eight. Mile all the stuff happening. Like the Dini into we our the twenty, seven and. It would like almost happening on the twenty eighth like early twenty, eight, all day and See the. Memories are starting coming back. That's why that's why I gotta get out here. The memories are starting to come back. I've got to get the heck out here. I've got to get the heck out of here. Now I didn't have no thank God I may have done, but the probably forgotten already. I didn't handle that why share with you but I just want to let I just want to find out that you know looking for those of when they were GonNa get the underhanded back. And thank goodness the of the if we didn't get retroactive and we only got four hundred dollars on my God. Wow and. With no stimulus. And all? So they waiting for the the was to command to to a stupid slow vote. SALONE. That take those long Everyone. Can. They can take yet until they they vote now they want to thank attempt both sides wants to chat. We're still getting prone. But both is launch chat. The damn funding for the state's. KILLED THE DEAL I. Don't they don't want people to get help. That living in perspective. States. I disc roles. I disclosed like we're not once I moved to Saint Louis or Kansas City high disclose to the wetter I should not to move to run the. libertarian or congrats. Congressional That does you know congressional. Might as well be a congressional party at all this. If you need if you're if you're congressional leaders from state is not owning up the slack flyer, they chance send them on a little vacation that they're not doing their job if they don't want that. What they're going to do anything. Fire, they can't. Okay That's the simple solution I mean I'm not even GonNa vote billy long in. Now. I'm on the fence for Josh. Holly. I'm on the fence him. But I'm not even five alone. It's been too long been ever since I moved here. It's time for somebody new. It's time for somebody new. That's why would I even ran I? Think I ran for state how I was term limits when The ballot, not valid the the surveys for people who are running. I'm afford term limits. I haven't signed A. I before term limits. And I'll do it again he got they need some new blood in Congress. They'll always done to show that to collar. Basically you know. But it helped them. Then you go of a plan and. We're going to we're not going to be. Don't people without job and then more people are still getting fined get laid off. Even in Las Vegas then give a layoff people allied the still GonNa Ready. Give they are people later in the fall And you want people to be back to work and more people got laid off. DISHEARTEN Undoubtedly Earth. Lau. Man. The very people that are told to represent the disease not even doing his job. It wants to represent the rich. Wealthy top within. Not the poor in the middle class. Or. Even the disabled matter of fact here majority. We lost Something that we lost it. I forgot what it was. I can't even think about but that was something that we lost. I can't think of what it was right now but probably will wants to get back to but then blind people people are blind and maybe had some site like mine who actually probably. More to more than me. If you get Blonde Penton, you cannot even drive in the state of Missouri no more or any state. Anymore. So that means you're STU. Dependent on people. And dependent on on public transportation to get you around you know what their freedom of car a lot at freedom to drive. That was the most stupid into. That cost. Dearly. Elections do have consequences again, I'll say the top Luna faith. And the pride because I have pre probably when I woke up this morning. But regardless I'm not even scared I want to be with my wife and the CEO. Would just Lord. I want to be with my wife and Theo. Care about being here I only be here because every time I wake up. Then, Alita Petar to make people laugh for trying to get through course, tiny get to a story. But I can't win things that every time I turn around going on an everyday thunder Nelson's going online. You think I want to be here doing this. Will suffer than Congress and not even caring they will off. They went in there little. Asian Some longer than you might I can't go in a month vacation I've done the vegas among. I was looking to have a weak. They'll go going for a month. Not even tim seventh that they will be back. They call US lady. BIG ALL UP To work. Work. Work what we need in the most. Don't WanNa work we should. Pay, get employed with. Pain. which the not a you know they get paid when the government shutdown collins get. Paid. Even during the shutdown tell me. And we gotta go through that. Again. We gotta go through that again. Oh i. Remember this in November y'All. Whoever your date congressman. With mental congresswoman. If you see the now holding the slack. Duda Vince McMahon and tell them.

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The Last US Civil War Pension

Everything Everywhere Daily

06:36 min | 2 months ago

The Last US Civil War Pension

"On May thirty first twenty, twenty, irene triplet passed away at the age of ninety. Her life was rather unremarkable save for one important fact he was the last person to receive a pension from the United States government from the US civil war. Fighter how woman who died decades into the twenty first century was still receiving a pension from a war which ended one, hundred, fifty, five years ago on this episode of everything everywhere daily. This episode is sponsored by audible DOT com. As, you know audible gives you a free month with two free audiobooks. When you sign up if you really really want to get your money's worth, I highly recommend the civil war a narrative by shelby foote. This is a three volume series of audiobooks which are really long and in-depth. The first book covers four sumner to Perryville the second from Fredericksburg to Meridian, and the final is from Red River to APP matic's combine the three audiobooks are one hundred and fifty five hours long and I know this because I've actually listened to all three of these audiobooks during my many lengthy road trips. You can claim your one-month trial to audible and your two free audiobooks by going to audible trial dot com slash everything everywhere or by clicking on the link in the show notes. Irene triplet was born in Nineteen thirty in Wilkes County North Carolina Sixty five years after the end of the civil war. How she ended up receiving civil war pension is one of those stories that you wouldn't believe if it wasn't true. But when you do the math, it actually does workout. Her father was most triplet was a veteran of the civil war. He had the distinction of having fought for both the confederacy and the Union. He was a member of the fifty third North Carolina infantry who fought in the battle of Gettysburg. On the way to Gettysburg most fell ill and was hospitalized the illness probably saved his life because most of his unit was either killed or wounded during the battle. After he recovered, he deserted the confederates and joined up with the third north, Carolina mounted infantry which fought for the union. The unit was known as Kirks raiders after commander Colonel, George Washington. Kirk. After the war Mos- returned to North Carolina got married and started a family his wife Mary passed away in one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety. As with many older civil war veterans, they would often take younger second wives especially during the Great Depression as their pension was considered a source of stable income. In one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, four at the age of seventy eight MOS married his second wife Alita who was twenty nine years old Mohsen Alita had five children. One of them Irene was born in one, thousand, nine, thirty when Mos- was eighty-three. Irene was just eight years old when her father died at the age of ninety two after returning home from a civil war veterans reunion. Irene had a cognitive disability which made her eligible to continue to receive her father civil war pension after his death as a quote, helpless child of a veteran. She received her father's pension of seventy three dollars and thirteen cents every month from her father's death in one thousand, nine, thirty, eight to her death in. Twenty twenty. The amount was never for inflation. The entire time it's estimated she received approximately seventeen thousand dollars over the course of her life. In addition to having received the last civil war pension, she was also the last child of a civil war veteran. The second to last child of a civil war veteran also had an interesting story in two thousand. Eighteen Fred Upton passed away at the age of ninety seven. His father was William H Upton. Who is a civil war veteran and the former governor of the state of Wisconsin who was elected in eighteen ninety four. Because of the occurrence of young women marrying much older men with pensions, the passing of the last civil war widow wasn't that long ago either in two thousand and eight motty Hopkins died at the age of ninety three in thousand, nineteen, thirty, four at the age of nineteen she married eighty six year old William Cantrell who served as a sixteen year old soldier in the confederate army. Blast Union widow was Gertrude Janeway who passed away in two thousand three. The last surviving documented veteran of the civil war was Albert Wilson who died at the age of one, hundred, six in one thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, six he was a fourteen year old drummer boy in the first Minnesota. Heavy. Artillery Regiment. In one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, six there was an episode of the TV Game Show I've got a secret with a ninety five year old man named Samuel Seymour. The panelists had to guess what the guest secret was. Samuel Seymour. Was the last surviving witness to Abraham Lincoln's assassination. He was a five year old boy was taken affords theater and said in the balcony across the theater from the present it. there. Is a clip of the appearance on Youtube and I highly recommend viewing it if you're interested in such things. The. Last surviving person who was born as a slave in the United States was Peter Mills who died in Nineteen seventy-two he was born into slavery in eighteen sixty one and live to be one hundred, ten, one person was both born into bondage and live to see the moon landing. The last surviving veteran of the Revolutionary War was John Gray who died in eighteen sixty, eight at the age of one, hundred four he's one of the only people who live to see both the revolution and the civil war oddly enough he was born on George Washington's estate Mount Vernon and his father died in the revolutionary. War. The, last surviving veteran of Napoleon's army was a Polish man Vincent Markowitz who died at one hundred and eight in nineteen three and the last veteran of the war of eighteen twelve was Hiram Cronk who passed away in one thousand, nine, five at the age of one, hundred and five. In Two thousand eleven at the age of one hundred and ten American Frank. Buck was the last surviving veteran of World War One in the world to pass away. Demographers estimate that the last veteran of World War Two will pass away sometime around the year twenty, forty four. It will probably be someone who fought at a very young age and lives to be at least one, hundred and ten. It's amazing how the lives of some people can span such incredible lengths of time and how we can have lives that overlap them. We think of the civil war is being a long time ago. Yet we're only two or three generations removed from people who lived through all of these events. Executive producer of everything everywhere. Daily is James, Makhala. Special. Thanks to everyone who supports the show over on Patriots. Please remember to leave a review over on apple podcasts. Even a simple review can really help the show get discovered in the Sea of other podcasts that are out there.

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Plaza Podcast Ep. 046

Plaza Podcast

15:18 min | 1 year ago

Plaza Podcast Ep. 046

"Ooh. Welcome to the plaza podcast episode forty six my name's Chris we'd like to think our patriot supporters. And if you're not a supporter, please go to patriot dot com forward slash plaza cinema four we'd also like to thank our sponsor next level laser tag, a new company, serving wise, and surrounding counties. Call nine four zero six to seven necks to book your mobile party today or check their website out at WWW dot next level laser tag dot com. Okay. Well in today's episode we are actually doing something completely different something that we've never done before. And if you have noticed Marcus isn't here today, and because today, it's Marcus birthday. So big shoutout to Marcus and happy birthday to him. He's enjoying his birthday in his time off from this episode. But so today, we decided to bring in a special guest, and it's actually going to be my thirteen year old son Christian so Christian want you say Hello to everyone. This is going to be his first podcast episode ever. And this is actually going to be his first movie review that he has ever done. Now he likes to watch movies. And I think he can give a pretty good understanding on a kids perspective of what he thought of a movie and versus a adult. And if you haven't figured out today, we are going to be reviewing the highly anticipated third film, how to train your dragon the hidden world or how to train your dragon three. However, you want to look at that. So this is the third movie into this. Dry in this dragon series. Now, they also have a little TV show if I'm not mistaken on net flicks. Is that correct? Yes. The what else did they have? Did they have anything else or was it just a just one series? I'm pretty sure they had this special little Christmas movie about it. Okay. Was that just a movie or was it a TV's series? Was it like just feature film? I'm pretty sure. Okay. So I watched this movie this morning and. Basically, I needed to some everything up that this movie was was very good and. And if you're a big fan of your big fan of the dragon movies in the dragon series together. You're absolutely going to love this one. And my opinion, I thanked this one would rank right there at the top from the other three and I consider actually to be better than one. Now that could always be debatable. But this movie, I really thought was extremely extremely good now version, you just actually got through seeing this movie after seeing it, what did you think of it? And how do you rank it compared to the other two dragon movies? A pretty good movie. I would probably get the best out of all the drag movies. What would be your second one? Probably first you like the first better. So number two would be your third. Okay. Any particular reason? Well, I liked the first one because it when you first started it, basically tells the back story in a storyline of hiccups childhood. So and why they're fighting for dragons to protect their home. So I like that one butter them second one. Okay. Now this movie, I really thought was really good animation. It didn't look like it was copied and paste anywhere. I mean with all the dragons like in the sky and everything I really thought it looked really good, especially when they actually dragons went down and hiccup and went down into what they call the hidden world with all the the cool, lighting and everything. And that that particular scene was just it was real. It was really nice it almost had like kind of like an. Avatar feel whenever all those glowing, you know, lights and all the the neon stuff. That's what it brought back. Now, this movie is also going to be in three D. And I really think this movie is going to be really good in three D. I think is going to have I think it's really going to pop especially with the those that particular scene with him in the hidden world, the fight scenes, the dragons flying in the sky with the clouds and stuff. I really it. Just really seemed like it was going to be really good. It's going to be really good in three D. I believe and I think this is gonna be a better in three D than some of these other movies at that just came out recently, especially like alita, which is more of this kind of live action. But it wasn't as good as in three D than it wasn't too. But this animated or how to train your dragon is gonna be a really solid three d showing. So. Definitely come out in see this in both of them to be honest. I think the kids think the kids would really like to see this in three D as well. But the two still going to be really good, and it had a lot of good. Some of the story line on it. I thought you know, could have been better, especially with the the I guess you could say the villain in this movie in his name was what grennell? Yes. So I think they could have done a little bit more back story had brought that story out a little bit more. I think that was one place where it was really lacking. Now, this movie has for some I think he can get a little bit of a tear Jerker going on. There was some sad moments for sure, but obviously everything you know, you know, it is a dragon's movie. So things are always going to end. Well, but I think this movie was this movie was probably how a trilogy movie should end. And it really set it really said it four it really ended for what the for the for the series. Now really thought they did a good job of. Of how they ended this movie, and that's what they should have done. And I don't think they could have done it any better. So what you know, what else did you like about this movie? Like, what was gimme a some things that you really enjoyed about it while Lynn to listen the life. You're never flying together. I think it was pretty cool how they made it to where she could like blast like dive into it, and she'd be invisible men later on in the movie, I like it how they made toothless. Discover a new ability for him as where instead of blasting. It was a bolt of lightning in. He. That's what that's how he turned. Yeah. And that was a really, and that's a really cool scene to really thought that was interesting. So another basically another ability that toothless fines in this movie 'cause in dragons to he had he found a new ability that he can do as well. And now he found a nother ability that he is able to do. So, you know, there's not a whole lot to say about this movie, except this is a really really good movie. And I think it's going to be very popular. It seems like the kids really enjoyed it as well person. You think you really enjoyed this movie a lot didn't you was it worth come into see? Yes. So definitely definitely good on this good on this part. So. You know, there's not a whole lot to say about this. I'm definitely going to give this movie I'm going to rate this as an as an eight I think it could have been better. But I definitely don't think by any means. I want to say anything really negative about it. Because this is a really good feel good movie. I thoroughly enjoyed it. It was fun to sit through didn't really wanna get up and miss anything. So, you know, for sure or good weekend come out bring the kids you're going to enjoy it too. As the parents to really good family fun movie. And you know, just come out. And also if you want to come and see it in three D because I think you would be you're going to be pleasantly surprised with it. But I think that is all we have today. Four out of train your dragon now movies that are fixing to come out in the next month. Or so the next big intimidated movie is going to be captain marvel now version are you pretty excited for captain marvel you really like these marvel movies, don't you do is there any movie coming out this year that you are just really excited for probably spied ran for from him Spiderman far from home. So he is telling you that that's the movie he is really looking forward to see. And as obviously comes out. I believe that comes out in July and want to say that comes out around the fourth of July July fifth. So that'll be for rut there at the beginning that'll hit right there in the middle summer. That's gonna be a really that's going to be a really good movie. But captain Marvel's definitely gonna be that. Really? I think that big that you don't wanna miss like because that is going to kind of tie in find out right there before venture avengers in game. Because that's the next big one. I think that one comes out in may. I'm not mistaken. I think it comes out April twenty six April twenty six. Well, there you go. He he knows his marvel. Let me tell you. So with that being said. There's will keep you up to date. Hopefully, we'll have some giveaways. We didn't actually get any giveaways for how to train your dragon, which that is a shame. 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This is rated really high on rotten tomatoes right now, the traction on this is just just ridiculous on the type of positive feedback that this movie is getting in the praises getting. So I really don't think you wanna miss this. This is a really good movie for this time of year in this month in February with nothing really good is out right now. This is the movie you really wanna come see doesn't matter if you are young or old you need to come see this. Shame in it is very fun and enjoyable film. So that will do it for today's episode. So we will see you next week, which we will be doing a number episode over actually we will in a few days will be bringing you a special episode me and Marcus over the TV Netflix series of the punisher we will be doing a review overseas in one. And then we're going to next episode. We'll have we'll be doing a a review over season two. And then talking about that they did cancel punisher on net of no more punisher. 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FFR 66: The Oscars + Alita Battle Angel

Feminist Frequency Radio

54:26 min | 1 year ago

FFR 66: The Oscars + Alita Battle Angel

"So in that regard, certainly kind of pretty historic start to the Oscars. Ebony did you watch the Oscars? I don't think he did. Yeah. I didn't think he did. Welcome to feminists frequency radio. This is episode sixty six I'm nita's her Huseyin, and I'm joined as always by two other angry me bodies, Caroline petted. And. You I yes, I get what you're doing there because lead a battle angel, but you blame nobody. Yeah. This is the show that asks you to be critical. The media you love or alternatively. We're the feminist killjoys coming for your media, depending on your perspective today. We're gonna be talking about results in reactions to last night's Academy Awards. It wasn't last night when you get this. But it's last night to us now and double feature we're gonna be talking about the live action mango film alita battle angel after that if we have any brain power left will finish the show, but each sharing a little something in what's your freak out now on with the show. Hey, y'all I would just like to shout out throat coat t the throat is disgusting. But it does work. I wasn't aware. We started taking a endorsements again. We should we should get an endorsement from throw coat, although I think they have the market or ready like pretty tap. They don't even need to promote. That shit because everybody I know that is a performer uses it it helps I love it. If we did start rubbing throat coat because all other podcasts, it seems like it's you know, mattresses or squarespace, you know, or blue apron, but let's do something different. Let's yet Monroe. Hey traditional medicine. What are they traditional medicine medicine? All's traditional. Medicinal. Is that where? Hey, y'all reach out to us. A learn how to say your name properly if you pay us has been doing good. I am. So this morning. I am podcasting or recording from a like an actual like amazing little podcast. Shame ver it is just this, you know, very small, but very kind of comfortable room. The I couldn't I can't be in my apartment right now because there's some weird issue with carbon monoxide there. So that's that's fun. I we don't want you to die. Don't I? Okay. I won't. I I spent the weekend in in in a motel at a cheap while not cheap because it's Berkeley, but the cheapest motel near me that I could find but this room. Yeah. I feel like I'm in a spaceship or something because I feel so isolated. I was going to ask you feel like you're in an isolation tank kind of. Yeah. But in a cool in a good way, we're going to have to share everyone a photo. Take a photo. Why? Yes. I will. I will. And we'll put it in the we'll put it in the show. You're going to have a Jacob's ladder. Experience in there. And you're gonna come out and realize this is all been a dream, man. The ending of that movie. Messed me up when I was a kid. I don't even know this movie. Okay. All right here, we go. Here. It starts so movies. So the Academy Awards just happened. And instead of doing like, a like, a typical entertainment news where we talk about things other than the Academy Awards this week. I think we're just going to talk about the Academy Awards because holy cow. There is so much to talk about. Well. Yeah. I mean, so they started actually pretty strong. You had Regina king win best supporting female actor for Beale street. You had Ruth Carter a win costume designed for Black Panther. She is I read online that she's the first African American person to win. So I don't know she she may not be the first black person. But apparently, she's the first African American person to win. I don't know Hannah Beechler one production designed for also for flat. Black Panther a black woman. So yeah. And I saw a tweet online from Kyle can. And he tweeted only three black women have won Oscars for anything other than acting and two of them. Just happened tonight. So, you know, in that regard, certainly kind of pretty historic start to the Oscars. Ebony did you watch the Oscars? I don't think he did. Yeah. I didn't think he did. Okay. Here's the thing. I wasn't actually planning on watching them because I had other plans that I totally bailed on because I was like holy shit. These Oscar like I just start kind of started watching him there. Really? I'm really glad I did like this was different. And I don't have hope for the future by any means. But I'm glad that I got to witness this moment, it was the blackest fucking Oscars. I've ever seen like it only like holes in Nita, Regina, king, Spike, Lee Marshall Ali Peter Ramsey. Peter's Ramsey ones. Yes. Spiderman when directing Spiderman. Yeah. Yep. And then you have L phone secure on who won like a Gillian awards for Roma. Mexican dude he won best cinematography. And best director. Yep. I don't I really don't think Romney Malik should have won for best actor in that lineup of roles. But like he's an Egyptian, dude. Like, I'm so here for all of this man like it was money. It was monumental. Black Panther won for best score production design and costume design. Bowel one for short animated for best short animated film. Like, it was the the amount of people of color on that stage. Was unlike anything I've seen at an awards show before and it yet. Well, hold on just hold on the other thing about it is that there was so much Spanish speaking. But and I say so much in that like there were moments of it. But in a way that like American media has been very hesitant to to have languages other than English in the media, right that without subtitles without anything because they don't want to be alienating, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. There was just like straight up Spanish spoken on stage. One of my favorite moments of the whole award show was when a phone secure on said, do I get subtitles too? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I loved that Afonso car on win accepting best foreign language film in his speech. He said something great. He was like, you know, when I was young I was inspired by a lot of foreign language films. Citizen. Kane jaws, he names, these English language films as foreign language films. Right. Kind of kind of, you know, saying kind of push spotlighting that hey, film is kind of universal, and we really shouldn't need these divisions in the in the first place. Yeah. I was that was a beautiful moment. I there was some really there. It was just there's so much good shit. And like the structure of it without having a host totally worked. It felt like it was moving along very quickly in a way that off like award shows feel very stilted. There was some really weird camera work. I don't know if anyone else noticed that. But like that whatever there's a there's a weird cinematography should happening. Especially in the last half of it that I was like what the hell did you? Did you watch the performance with Bradley Cooper and lady Gaga like? The angle in which they shot that was so fucking weird and uncomfortable. Oh, I loved that. I I actually thought that performance everything about it was wonderful. Like, I thought the intimacy of it was amazing. I thought because I thought that they they kind of acted it as well as singing it, and I really believed in this like depth of emotion between them I thought I thought and I liked it. The camera was right there on that intense staring contest. They had made me very uncomfortable. I thought it was you're not a romantic at all. I thought it was really I thought it was really selective about how to how to do it. Okay. The other thing I wanna point out is that I loved the choice that they made in terms of who to introduce the best picture winner nominees. So in the Oscars like throughout the whole show. They have they showcase all of the best picture nominees. Right. And usually someone introduces them this year, they chose people mostly outside like, you know, outside of this sort of St.. Pandered establishment to introduce these films. And I just I really I really loved the choices. They made for a lot of them. So Serena Williams. Introducing a star is born which she was just a really nice touch in terms of like working hard to get to where you are Barbara Streisand. Introducing black clansmen and that that exchange between her and Spike Lee shouting. And then Spike Lee shouting out Brooklyn from the audience was fucking everything. Like, I want that movie. I don't know what it is. But I want that fucking Barbara Streisand. Spike, Lee, Brooklyn buddy movie. Yes, right. Yeah. That I really loved Queen Latifah. Introducing the favorite by saying. It's not easy being a Queen. Yes. But yeah. So then you had like Tom Morello from rage against the machine introduced vice Trevor Noah introduced Black Panther who did some real good jobs at Mel Gibson. And then and then the green book, wait, wait. Hold on. Okay. Really mean? Rhapsody was introduced by Mike Myers and Dana Carvey was so good because they showed the Wayne's world clip of them singing Queen right before. Anyway, I just there was so many things I like, okay. Like, I'm shocked now. Now, we can do it. Let's do it. So green book one of the people presenting green book was John Lewis. Which as a tweet Joe Representative? Yeah. Major major like civil rights figure. Right. I mean. Yeah. I saw a tweet that basically said, you know, getting John Lewis up there to present green book is some major PR jujitsu lake. You know, it's true. Like, you can definitely see them like trying to deflect criticism of the movie or whatever by getting a figure like John Lewis up there to present the film and to talk about, you know, from from a deep from a place of deep feeling about you know, what the American South was like at that time. You know, it was like, oh, it's powerful that you're up there, man. But boy, this movie does not deserve your words or your or your endorsement, I found that very disappointing. Yeah. I don't blame. John Lewis for not, you know, understanding the impact of the film in you know, I, but. But still it was it was frustrating and he introduced it with. A man Lister Berg who was in that movie, the hate you give about, you know, violence against black communities and police brutality and stuff like that. So it was just it was just so like so so this whole time for the most part, I'm like holy shit. The Oscars are really doing something different this year. Yeah. And differences here, and then they announced the best picture winner. Yes. Which it was as we as I've reluctantly been predicting for the past several weeks. It was green book it was green book. And you know, what was like so many amazing things in my amazing. I mean, you know, oh my God. Moments about the green books time on stage is the best picture winner. First of all a sea of white faces. Just a see. All people, and then you have like a Livia, Octavia Spencer, and and Mahershala Ali when like all these other white people and then on top of that. I think it was Peter Farrelly were, you know, one of the people during their acceptance speech was like, you know, like, we wouldn't have had a movie without Vigo. My did some ways if good work. But but then it's totally like, yes. Because you're movies totally about the white guy. Exactly. Like, it was just as amazing moment of. Yeah. We get it. We get it, man. Oh my God. So so disappointing like, I I actually screamed very loudly of all my neighbors heard me 'cause I was like what like I know why? And I don't I shouldn't expect more. But it was just like, I think we got so. We got so softened by like the previous two hours of the show. Oh, maybe there is reason to be hopeful now, and then and then that happens, and it really, you know, because it is the most the most prestigious award the biggest most important award of the night. It does cast a pall on the whole night to some degree, right? But I mean, not to say that that the historic and deserving wins earlier in the night by black women, and and other non white, you know, people were insignificant because they are they are very significant. But but nonetheless, you know, very disappointing ending to what was often a great night. Every you gotta think bad. No, why do want to shout out? I love that. So Ruth Carter is a very established prolific costume designer in Hollywood. And she's done like, so so so many movies, and I loved her speech or I love parts of it. At least she got up there. And she said it's about time like the. There's a there. I imagined for a lot of people that feels really arrogant. But also like if you know her history in Hollywood like, yeah, it's about time. She went and got him award, right? And her shout out to Spike Lee who I like helped her get started. I believe or like gave her first opportunity on do the right thing. So there's just a lot of like there's a lot of kind of camaraderie in some ways watching. The I'm sorry. I forget her name who was doing. What does she win for like the Black Panther? Sorry. Production design Hannah beach. Yeah. The production design. Sorry, she the woman like was crying about crying and talking about. How Ryan Kugler like changed her life? And and you know, I'm not saying this to be like oh women. Oh, a debt to men, but that like there is such a a lifting up relationship that I think is so important. And I think we're we've talked about this on the podcast about how people like. Like, Eva Vernay is probably one of the biggest examples of this of like a woman who has established yourself in his trying to lift up her community right and giving opportunities. And so I liked that bit that I saw in the Oscars last night. Yeah. I do have to mention about the best picture winner. Sort of adding insult to injury is that, you know, is it Spike Lee and black clansmen lost to green book, which which weirdly mirrors, the the the the fact that driving miss daisy one the year that that do the right thing came out. And you know, so Spike Lee was like a backstage. He was like, you know, whenever somebody's driving somebody else. I lose. Oh, my God DSE. So there's a clip going around to where Spike Lee is backstage. And they asked him about green book, and he's just like sipping his champagne X question. Yep. Yep. Yeah. And you're like, yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Fuck that movie. All right. Shall we? Move onto another. Oh, wait. Hold on. Sorry. Yeah. I got a shutout Olivia Colman know that what's her name probably should have one. And I in close Glenn Close should have won. She won in terms of like, you know, the Oscars often give awards for like a body of work. Right. You haven't won yet to win. And she was amazing in the wife. But God I want more Livia Coleman in my life. Like, she. Her acceptance speech was the best thing ever. She was so flustered. She just was just adorable and wonderful, and I love. I love I love her like blowing a raspberry at the you know, because just like please, please wrap up quickly. Oh, you know. Yeah. So yeah. Very mixed. I mean, not super mixed feelings. Like, I really am impressed. I hope that I hope that this isn't a one time thing, and it might be and it depends on so many things right? It depends on what kind of movies we get this year. It depends on how like if if the academy feels like they did their due diligence in two thousand nine hundred and don't have to do it again in the future. Right. Like, I, you know, I don't know what the tone is that we're going to move forward. But I'm gonna take this as a win for now. I'm taking it as a win for Billy porter moving on porter. All right. His oh wave you don't know what we're talking about. Go look at his Oscar outfit because it's the best thing in the world. Oh, oh, wait. Sorry. We have to acknowledge one more thing. I'm sorry that nobody who won an award for bohemian rhapsody think Bryan singer. They might. Yes. That was actually it kind of started turning into a little game for me. Like is this person gonna mentioned Bryan singer like no, they didn't. Because if bohemian rhapsody had won best picture imagine everyone up there trying to talk around and not mentioned Bryan singer ways. That would I mean, I'm very good. I mean bohemian rhapsody winning would have been in the same ballpark as green book winning. I don't want them to win. But but yeah, yeah. I don't know how much money bohemian rhapsody through into lobbying efforts. But I don't understand. Why is even in the running for anything? Most of this. The most agree GIS win of Owen rhapsody for the night, in my mind, was editing. One editor there is actually a clip going around on Twitter from the movie, that's just showing how bad. Like, it is it is a badly edited movie you'd like there are deci editing decisions where you're just like what what was the why did you cut away? Then what was the point of that show? What is happening? It's like incoherent and one very estimated. Yeah, there's some very weird behind the scenes lobbying shit that's happening with that movie to get it to have this much attention because it's not that strong of a film at all about the editing nomination. I heard a really interesting take on that. Which is that for many of those kinds of categories. The voting is done, but people who are specialists and professionals in the field unlike the best picture category, which is voted on by everybody. And so in some ways, the nomination of bohemian rhapsody for editing when people are clowning that you know, it was it did the absolute most is sort of an economic -ment that the film was sort of hand it's editors have done because Bryan singer just bounced and left the country. And you know, there was an attempt to. You know, sort of make up a film out of the parts and pieces that they had been given. So it was an acknowledgement at that level. And so sometimes wins or nominations into those specialized categories reflect a different kind of thinking than is true for something like best actor and for all, I know. Yeah. For only know it actually may be Bryan singer gave them such scraps of were usable footage that maybe the editing actually is a tremendous feat, given what they had to work with that's entirely possible. But I I don't think that means it should have won. But no. Did you know that it is? Because of you that we can keep bringing them radio to the airwaves. It's true. We are listener supported so please consider joining our podcast community at D dot rip slash fem freak you'll get access to some perks and bonus episodes, and if you have a Kickstarter account, it's super easy because that's all you need to start a drip account. So please join us at D dot rip slash fem freak. All right moving onto the main segment. Ebony how about you introduce us to the topic to this week right on. So alita battle angel is the most recent film by Robert Rodriguez known for directing things like spike. It's the faculty numerous other things, and it is a two hundred billion dollars sci-fi epic in which a young and amnesic. Cyborg woman is basically rescued from a giant trash heap. Outfitted with some futuristic tech Imon rollerblades her way to social Justice, activism. The film is based on a nineteen ninety s manga series and futures on all star cast, including Christoph waltz as the kindly doctor who puts the titular leader back together. Again, Jennifer Connelly's as his ex wife slash crystal. Jim who desperately wants to move back to her deluxe apartment in the sky and Mahar, Sean Lee as a man who should be making better choices. I have many questions please regale us with your questions, but I can give you all of them because I. Literally have twenty questions here that from top to bottom. My notes were all questions, but how old is alita? Okay. So. Okay. Well, actually. Yeah. Like because it is it problematic, and I would argue yes that the Dr upon being. Confronted with this in a trash sheep envisions her as having to be younger girl, then she obviously is. But when she ages herself up the way that she does this is by giving herself boobs and then wearing tighter close. Well, right yet. Yeah. This is actually one of the one of the things I most wanted to talk about about this film. So you cut right to the chase of this aspect of the film. So there's a line. So okay. At a at a certain point in the film, elitist body is basically destroyed the body that the doctor originally gives her and she gets a game. We're we're hold on. I want more context. The doctor gives a lead to elite of like we said in the intro. But I think this is important. The doctor has a leftover cyborg body that his daughter who died is supposed to be wearing. And so he gives it to her and that body gets destroyed. Yes. So there's already a bunch of really creepy weird shit happening here. Right. So so then lead it gets this much more advanced body it's from its leftover from this war from three hundred years ago. It's the advanced technology of the invading the who she was like part of the opposing force in that war. And as the body is being attached to her it evolves right at the so the nurse. The there says oh looks like a lead. So the doctor says her bodies changing to match your subconscious image of herself, and the nurse says looks like she's older than you thought. She was which to me is like signal to all the animate nerds in the audience. You can now start like pervy out about it's now appropriate. But this is so this is so complicated. In a lot of ways. Like, I will say so, you know, there has been some trans discourse about this film. And I will say that I get that like as a trans woman, you know, myself trapped in this body that will never be what I wanted to be. And that has definitely caused me a lot of discomfort and pain and makes it, you know, has an negative impact on my ability to get close to other people and all this like, of course, there's a level in which I find like, oh, a body that just matches your your image of yourself appealing. But at the same time like I know that this this is not my fantasy. And I know that it's not made for me. It's it's not really about like to me. It's not really about alita coming into her own in her body. It's you know, it's there's just so many men. In in this movie like at barely passes the Bechtel test. It's it's a movie totally dominated by men. So I, you know, I don't I feel like her that Joe element is purely one intended to sexualize her for the male viewer rather than one that's trying to be like empowering for, you know, people like myself, I sat through the two hours of this fell knowing from pretty soon after it started that I would only be interested in reviews and reflections by trans writers or disabled writers like those are the only two lenses through which I'm interested in viewing this film. And so I'm so glad that so many people within those two communities are tacking this because it's it would be too simplistic to say this movie is either you know, sort of regret. Live in its representations or Liberato ory, you know, like this movie is much more complicated than it has any right to be this movie is a mess. It is an absolute mess. I it's one of the few films where I felt like I knew less about what happened after I saw been going in, you know, and yet and yet there is something that like there's the potential for a. Sort of, you know, subversive fan reaction to this film at I am so glad to see people wrestling with this because. Yeah, there were moments right thought, boy, if this were a better movie, and there were there was better writing and more thoughtful fleshing out of what's going on here. This could be amazing. I mean, I'm I'm definitely like, I'm wary of fan reaction because I I I, you know, marginalized people have always had to project themselves in certain ways in intermediate where they weren't represented and had to kind of take scraps of representation and feel empowered by them to some degree. But you know, I I don't want trans women. To pretend to this movie is something that it isn't right. I don't want. I don't want us to think that the impact this movie has for the average viewer in an is in any way, one of female liberation of transliteration or anything like that. Like, we may bring those things to the movie, and they're valid for us in our personal experiences the film, but that doesn't mean that they that the movie is really doing that in terms of its cultural impact if that makes sense when they brought the body when they got the like the alien body that's supposed to match like match her. It was a it's a it's clearly what we consider to be a masculine body. And I was like is it. Yeah. I did not the way I read it. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't interpret it that way. Either. I didn't. I maybe I didn't look closely enough at the body before it was attached to her it had. So I'm going to I'm going to be stereotypical about how I'm addressing this in terms of the context of the movie that is very stereotypical. It had no hips. It was a very narrow body. It had no like breasts. It had like very flat plate armor. It looked like to me. It looked like mask like masculine armor that you would put on a. That you would wear in combat. So Caroline had mentioned that there's conversations happening in the trans community around this. But I hadn't read any of it before I watched it. So when that came out I was like, oh, this is cool. She's going to be in this body that is not like stereotypically feminizing and that like cool like, maybe there's some cool shit happening here. And then I was so disappointed. When that moment happened that served multiple purposes, right where you had the male gaze of the guy of the fuck fucking doctor who's thinking of this this girl at slash woman as his child being like holy shit. Look at you hubba hubba, right? Like, it was super disgusting that like her her impression her subconscious vision of herself is this transform it is this very stereotypical like sexualize right view it like it's it's like in less than. Body changes over time as you change. Right. Like if you like I want big boobs today or small boobs I'd like hips or I'd like a narrow body or whatever. Right. Like that would be. That's a fucking interesting story that I would read, but that's not what's happening here. Right. Like, there's nothing about this film that is trying to push boundaries. And I think that you know, we'll get into this. But there are a lot of other ways that it's really deeply regressive in terms of race. In terms of, you know, sexuality in terms of like, just straight up, misogyny and shit like that. One of my most hated moments in the film's. Let's keep just keep it on gender for the moment. The other the, you know, the most important other female character is Sheeran. Played by Jennifer Connelly. And she is this woman who's kind of trapped between two im-, you know, more important men. Right. She's trapped between the doctor who's like her ex husband, and they had the they they had a daughter together that she's the daughter who died and now she's working with vector Mahershala Ali character. Who's this kind of, you know, criminal Lord, you know, scavenger king guy, but at a certain point, right, she she undergoes a change of heart. And she does something kind after being kind of a bad a bad guy for a lot of the film. And when asked the why she did it. Her response is include. The the the phrase like I remembered that I'm a mother, and it's just this like this. I hate that that like notion of that regressive notion of oh, like women are inherently more nurturing, and, you know, especially when their mothers, they just have this like nurturing instinct, and like as in opposition to men who do who do not have that nurturing capacity or that nurturing instinct, which it's just such gendered bullshit. And so that was another thing where it's like, okay. Yeah. This film, you know, people anyone who walks out of this thing. And this is I'm like feminist liberation or even girl power narrative is kidding themselves. Like, this is a regressive sexist, deeply sexist film. Yeah. I it's. Okay. A couple of one. So there's a bunch of shit happening here. So I'm not like we we don't even have that much time to get into how bad the movie is like the dialogue and all of the like little bits of bullshit. The like lack of emotional depth, the superficiality of it like the stuff that I found. So frustrating was like the casting. So people of color were always secondary in this world. It was very centered on white people and their problems. And there is a lot of folks who are like invested in the original manga who were like, this is whitewashing, and I found this quote from producer Jon Landau, which I think is really important here. He says the author Yukio because Shiro did something very different. He wrote manga that is not set in an Asian world. He wrote it set in a place called iron city, which is a melting pot. He actually said it in Kansas. Okay. So this is their excuses to why they don't have the ghost in the shell problem, which they totally fucking have the. Ghost in the shell problem here. But if you have this, quote unquote, melting pot, which is also a deeply problematic. Way to think about culture, why are all of your main characters white if it was sincerely a actual like, you know, all of the world is coming to this place. And it's the like the leftovers of people, basically that would not be the case, and you can see the first people to die are black people. Right. Like, everyone who isn't important is not like all the important. People are white the. The the frustration with things like, okay, major spoiler warning. Murali's character vector barely is is most of the time. We see him is being possessed by Nova the big bad, and so he's being possessed by a white person, most of his character isn't even fucking him. And then when he gets confronted by alita, she kills him and his like, whatever you're just upon no big deal as if like I was sitting there being like what the fuck how is that like could ethical. I had a kind of a different take on alita because she seems to me that very kind of science fictional notion of ethnic ambiguity. So that you could be read as various different things. Right. And I do think it's important not perhaps, you know, important good. But I do think it's notable that the voice actor for alita is Rosa Salazar who is Peruvian, right? Like, I think right. There's there's something this is what I mean when I say like this film is not good enough for the potential that it could have. There are things that could have been so wonderful about the way this film tackles like identity, and where density resides, and you know, what it means to have, you know, a an able body, you know, there's just so much. But the film is not good enough. And part of it is like because Robert Rodriguez is an incredibly talented, filmmaker is I feel like really cool stuff, you know? But I just feel like it's too ambitious. Also, James Cameron co wrote this. It was like super into this. But apparently got too busy working on those avatar sequels that no one gives a shit about wasn't able to. Thank god. He didn't direct this this film. But but yeah, I like I wasn't. There's no doubt that this Mel positions people of color on the sidelines. Like, they are tangential or at most of parallel to the main body of of white supremacy as it exists in this far future world. And then am I wrong? I didn't have a chance to look this up. But when alita flashes back to when she's doing like her battle angel in, you know, her mentor was that Michelle Rodriguez. Yes. Okay. Okay. Again. What's like there's so much going on? Like also Nova is played by Ed Norton was was supposed to be this big reveal who's like, nobody cares. Yeah. I mean, I think that is this moment at the end to be like oh snap. Noah's Ed Norton. Can't wait for the sequel where we get. Yeah. Absolutely head to head. But like every even going to get that sequel. Listen when I. I saw Nova. I it looks like Caesar flicker Mun the character Stanley you play inaugur games had a baby with Dr Heinz stiffen Schwartz. I. The real real just not. Ok okay. We need to talk about the scene where she pulls her heart out and hands it to Hugo. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like, okay. So here, I'm the generous reading of this is, you know, she's young and in love and going through puberty, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and you would do anything, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But no, I'm not feeling generous at all like that. I was like I was cringing in my seat the whole time being like whole book. I actually tweeted about that moment and said like, oh, you know, a leader literally holding her heart in her hands out to somebody and saying it's all or nothing with me. This is who I am. I said like extremely relatable moment. I am. Oh. So caroline. You shared us an article on film freak central of review of this. That is the most brilliant thing I've read in a long time, I'll share it in the show notes. But I want to the author of this piece describes Hugo who's the love interest as a pale desperate subway, busker charisma of a blossom era, Joey Lawrence, and I died because the whole time. I was like why is he so weird? And why is he so like not anything, and I was like, oh my God. He totally that's such a good description. Yeah. I think there was something vaguely familiar about him during the movie, and I think it actually was that he reminded me of Joey Lawrence like I actually think that's what it was. When I read that. When I read that review. I was like, oh, wait, that's it. He is kind of lease. There's something like Joey Lawrence ish about about Hugo when Hugo I had less fewer problems with that scene. Where alita Hans Hugo are attempting hand, Hugo her heart. I. I had more problems with scene Hugo calls alita while she's doing motor ball like her big tryout. First of all, I thought it was murder ball, my the sound editing on this film was garbage. But so she's having her big motor ball tryout. He calls her while she is in the middle of things, and it's like fix my problems. This like if that ain't some typical shit like a dude Collina woman at work and being like, I need you to come home and fix this thing. Dude deal with your shit on your own elva. God that kid also once he was a cyborg and started climbing up the space tubes to solemn if that's possible. Why haven't other cyborgs done it? Everybody wants to get up there. Right. Like, that's the jam. Right. You know, it seems like if you have that mechanized body this becomes possible for you. Why are other people? None of this movie. Make sense. Can I also ask the question? Maybe I missed this. Is there an explanation in the film, not in the wider manga universe of this series? But in the film for why people are living in iron city in the scrap yard in not escaping into the badlands. The badlands are beautiful. We get an explanation for that. Like, why are people stacked right on each other know, when they could be living out there working those farms, doing whatever, you know. Also, why is no one bothered to explore that ERM spaceship? Why is these literal children the only people who have explored this ERM ship with all that tech? It'll us they said scavengers went in there. They did write that off. And like she could only open it because she is one of them. Yeah. I think they did say something like like, oh, we don't even like this technology is so advanced that we don't even know how to how to use it something like that. I guess I remember that now, but that seems like an insufficient. And so it doesn't it wouldn't it make more sense for like the authorities such as they are during this period to have found that ship in like installed it in a lab somewhere such that they could try and take it apart. But no just left it there. Yeah. It makes fucking thin. Yeah. I mean, like, I you're absolutely right at the same time, if this movie had been better in other ways, you know, I would I would totally be willing to forgive those kinds of lapses in plot logic because because at a certain point, they don't really matter if if the movie is successful in making us care about its characters and their struggles and things like that Carolyn what you're talking about. Like, I feel like the show did not do the work to earn the emotional stakes that was trying to create the show the movie, whatever, right? Yeah. Exactly. Like, it it it goes for these moments of of deeply felt emotion, but it hasn't earned. It hasn't earned those two. That's because these central can see of the foam that you can be super good at murder ball and make it up to those de lex apartments in this guy is so low stakes like, I really I couldn't believe that. Ultimately, so much of this film was going to end upon motor ball like so this shit around where she likes. So she goes into the hunter warrior bar, and she does her stupid ass speech that you're like, oh my God. It's so embarrassing. And then she's like, okay that whole thing happens fast forward to they're trying to pay pay all of the hundred warriors off to kill her. And so they're playing in the audition together, and she doesn't recognize any of them these people that she literally just hung out with for like at least thirty minutes. Like, it's just how does she get one hundred warrior? What is the process? Do. You just apply. Do you? Right. Yeah. It seems pretty simple. She just walks in in five two minutes later. She walks out with a badge, and she's a she's a hunter warrior seems like a system that would break down at any moment. Sure. Does. Okay. I know we don't have time to get into this as much as I want to. But I really really want to talk to people so hit me up on Twitter about this film's understanding of disability. It's so bad. Right. It is it is so bad. And yet it is bad. And really, I think useful ways. So one of the ways that I started thinking about this. I o this to Dr Sami shock, and I can't recommend her book. Body minds reimagined enough. We'll put a link to it. But I believe that based upon the kind of theoretical framework that she lays out this would be called or could be labeled what she terms like a super powered supercricket narrative. And so I want to. Through the ways in which this sort of posit who's disabled, and who isn't and what makes someone disabled in the universe of this film, where disability begins and ends why we might not think of a leader herself as being a disabled person. But why we might think about other cyborgs in the film as as disabled. I just think like there's there's so much going on here about the ways that we sort of have to make disability kind of extraordinary for it to be accepted. And also how we collapse it down to the level of the individual, and sort of completely allied any of the, you know, kind of social questions that would obtain in a world in which almost everyone has some sort of cybernetic modification, right? You know, and how like the role of race in conventional attractiveness plays in this world at his think like this foam is going to be one that I can imagine disability scholars talking about four ages because it the the narrative tropes that deploys to kind of dance around whether alita is disabled. No, she's not. But the daughter who would have had her body is like where does disability lie, you know? And why would we be uncomfortable thinking of alita as disabled, but not perhaps the nurse who has a cyber Nedic arm or someone who has a cybernetic eye or legs, and this film. So yeah. Like, I said, I know we don't have time to get into it. But I'm obsessed with this right now, and again, definitely reduction Sammy shock on this. She's amazing. So hit me up on Twitter. If you wanna talk it through because I definitely want to talk it through. All right. Let's move on to this week. What's your freak out? He wants to go first. I'll get started. All right. So a few years ago on that intendo? We you a game came out called new super. Mario brothers you. And it's you know, it's a two d Mario game like the early. You know, Mario games worse. Remember this one two three it cetera. And I hadn't been very interfere very impressed by earlier games in the new Super Mario brothers series. I thought that the level design was very bland. And that the games just felt like this very half hearted attempt to to can, you know, kind of cash in on people's nostalgic affection for the or, you know, early two d Mario games. But but new Super Mario brothers you when I played that a few years ago on on the we you I was really impressed by it. I thought oh, here's you know, the the two D mar the new two d Mario game. I've been waiting for. It has. Fantastic level design really charming worlds. And and just, you know, different details and things that kind of change up the game play from time to time. And you know, and it's it's it's just the right amount of challenging, you know, it's it's any, you know, most players can approach it and have a good experience with it. But if you want to go the route of like collecting, all of the things, you know, you're you're in for a very satisfying, but very very tough challenge. And anyway, it was recently released on a now on that in head of switch as a new super. Mario brothers you deluxe. And I had a chance to play some of that recently. And and it's you know, I it reminded me just how how great that game is. So, you know, if you like two d Mario games, and you never owned a we you as many people never did. Or just for whatever reason you never had a chance to play new super. Mario brothers. You. You, you know, I definitely think that it is a a cut above other recent two-day, Mario games. And that it is is lots of fun really lots of fine. And well worth your time off excellence. Ebony what are you freaking out about this week? I'm flaking out about the net. Flicks show flavorful origins, which I recommend it to you. I think over the weekend, Anita or earlier anyways. It is a fantastic mesmerizing look into Chao Shan cuisine, which is. The region of China in Guangdong in non mispronouncing apologize practiced, and I still fucked it up. Many ways one of the things. That's so amazing about this show is not just the absolutely like bidding visuals it is beautifully shot beautifully scored. But each of the twenty episodes is is like twelve to fifteen minutes long. You get this fantastic. Little amused. Bouche of a glimpse into a certain specific element that goes into making Chow shown cuisine. What it is. But perhaps most importantly for me. It is done. It is a Chinese language documentary series. It's not an English. And I think that informs the the perspective that the show brings to the food and to the people who create it it does not have a host. There is a voice over that walks you through things, but there is no host. So it is completely different. And it feels completely different. From these shows wearing a white person goes to China or to Chile or to Morocco and gets hooked up via translator with some local who, you know, gives them a window into whatever the cuisine being discussed in that episode is, but the focus remains sort of like a white person's experience of this because this is a film or a series that is a Chinese-language series. And because there is no sort of, you know, white viewpoint character to guide you through baby steps, it you really there's a richness in a fullness to it that I absolutely loved. So I could have I could've watched one hundred of these fifteen minute episodes. But so the first seasons on Netflix. It's called flavorful origins. I particularly recommend the rice noodle episode. The late CIA episode act all of them all immigrate. They're so good. Why you gotta watch this. This guy my out content. Warning, if you are a vegan this show is probably not for you. Because meat eating is, you know, layered in in through this cuisine, and it meets takes a center stage for almost even you know dishes that you would assume would be, you know, vegetarian through and through often have some sort of meat base. So if that would be a problem for you, please avoid this show. Oh, okay. That is not a problem for me in any way whatsoever. It is a benefit. All right. So that was nice of you to be carrying enough to. Okay, whatever moving on to my freak out. What does my freak out? I went to a show. Man. I lift my house a lot this week is really a problem. I gotta make up for that. I went to a show that had a bunch of really great performances. So it was a fundraiser for a new magazine in Los Angeles called the land magazine, where LA land the land. Oh, I get. And it was started by a bunch of ex writers from the LA weekly. So I don't know followed last year. But that like indie like indie press and mainstream press have been under attack and so much so that like organizations have been shuttered. These outlets have been shuttered that like really vindictive efforts have been taken to silence, what is considered sort of liberal media. So in that we lost the LA weekly, which was a huge part of like, LA journalism culture. Also, the village voice, right? Like, this is a huge concerted effort. And so these folks started their own independent magazine, which I think is so great. So I went to their fundraiser. And there was some really wonderful performances. A friend of the podcast open. Mike eagle performed no-can-do performed. And I Brandon Coleman who I learned. About this night is an amazing local jazz performer that was just blew my mind. So good. So lots of great music, lots of great things to support. I I'm using this freak out to say, hey, if you're in LA support this magazine pick it up take a look see if it's it's your thing. But also generally like see who's doing local work like who's doing the local journalism in your neighborhood. What stories are they covering what stories like should be covered? And how can you support them to really amplify the voices of people doing, you know, people that won't be covered by the mainstream that you know, whatever. So shout out local journalism Lynn magazine a link everything in the show notes. Speaking of local journalism, I know think pop culture news. But you don't see that story about that. That local paper wanna say it was an Alabama where the editor in chief was calling for a return of the clan and lynching. What's? Yeah. It was amazing these people so emboldened anyway. Oh boy. 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The Science of Allyship and What Leaders Should Do Now

Your Brain at Work

51:23 min | 4 months ago

The Science of Allyship and What Leaders Should Do Now

"If the covid nineteen pandemic added caretaker and teacher tear list of titles. The recent surge of protests and demonstrations as part of the black lives matter movement has surely made that lasts longer. Some of those hats, you may feel, okay. Wearing such as coach or friend. But others like ally may feel new strange to you. Especially, when the topics are sensitive and deeply felt as race and justice. Then earlier ship institute can't solve these big systemic issues on our own. But we can help leaders remember to follow the science and to offer them a path forward to help their people when they need it most. I'm Chris. Weller. And you're listening to your brain at work from the leadership institute. In this episode, we're doing something a little different for still offering a discussion on how to lead through crisis. But this time we're keeping things in house. Along with analyze CEO and Co founder, Dr David Rock. Joined by our vice president of consulting and research. Colo-. Smith, and the head of diversity and inclusion practices. Esther, none of a together. Our panel of experts walks us through the science and importance of listening deeply. Uniting widely and acting boldly in this moment. Along the way they address some of the challenges. Leaders have been facing an offer science space solutions to keep teams feeling heard included empowered to perform at their best enjoy. I think we're going to hear more from calills, GONNA facilitate more. Things to say, but I thought. We should start off with some context killers you. Yeah. Thank you, David, and thanks everyone for joining us today and want to get to a as David. said a bit of the context around why we've come together and we want to talk really deeply around how do we respond as a leader to the racial tragedies that we've all been exposed to and many of us have known have been there for quite some time. Specifically, we want to really dig into finding ways to move forward. So what can we do to really harness the energy to harness the awareness and we recognized for? For this conversation and for a lot of other things that people are all at very different places and the collective emotions are strong, and so we want to kind of honor that really appreciate that and figure out what we do with that speaking of those collective emotions, David. I would love to have you talk a little bit about the three levels of threat which some folks may be a bit familiar with. Yeah. We've been talking about these since early match me I started doing these positions and a, it describes the threat response in a bit more kind of granular way in. It turns out when we feel threatened, it Kinda comes in in zones as zone of alert, not to alarm. That's pretty functional. There's a zone of highlight, quite allowed to level two threat, which is really dysfunctional. Actually vote for decision making problem solving then is the very highest alert highest salon little threat and I know in the Cova crisis dotted. Everyone was waking up at level twos, vikings of three with suitable wrestled at back down, and then bright. Now, the collective threat levels vary. Hi, again, it's you know it's comedy right up. So just to honor and recognize the collective threat right now is quite high and I know people feeling a lot of things strongly in it took some wet for us as a let down to think about you know how to be productive as well. That's what we've been trying to do for the last Few weeks this has been unfolding I. Think. It's really only probably like later into this week that we've actually I would say. How can we actually be? Useful, as as a research institute, how can we actually be productive useful helpful here and finding a thread and it was around basically, how do we create positive change based on research? And trying to articulate essentially the most important habits trying to educate the critical habits that really really matter that are relevant to everyone though as as Alita CEO, all the way down to fess time manager but also people just leading a family as well. So that's the context that we've been thinking from his. How do we create some focus around the things that help the most? Now. And David See your point I know you and I wrestled with these ideas quite a bit wrestled with the emotions quite a bit and you really took the lead on kind of initiating some conversations around writing in this moment and being able to get things out. They can continue to be helpful for folks above and beyond the work that we do in our consulting or a practices or behavior change solutions, and that will really be kind of the the foundation of this conversation that. That we're going to have today because I think that we really got the three steps. Bright were already starting to hear from a lot of our clients. I. Had a call yesterday with an incredible chief diversity officer who called up and said, these are it. These are what we need right now in this moment, and so really looking forward to pulling these apart in hearing from you about kind of both the definitions and the science behind these. So the first is to listen deeply. We want to talk about, what does it mean to listen deeply? What is the science behind it? What? What's the practical application at the second step is to unite widely. And, the third step is to act boldly and we want to really get down to what does bold mean. What is what does it mean in this moment? How is it different than the disruption or the transformation that we may have been through before So now's is good time as any without any further ado to start to get into some of that David would love for you to maybe talk to folks about the definition and the science and kind of the blend of that when you hear or when you were thinking of when we're putting together listen deeply. What's contained in there? Yeah. So you know it came from work around had had. You deal with a very intense kind of literally level three threat response when when when you try to be productive like what is the thing that can can kind of? Bring people from a very strong. Away response, it's cold way. Anger is in a way response as is a threat of how can you turn that and turn that into something where people eventually are able to create real for real positive change and I wanted to say the bold pot at the end is important. It's not listen deeply to conflicts down, get back to work. It listened deeply unite widely then acts boldly The listen deeply is I, guess, my definition perspective, it's it's Listen. So people feel more heard. Than, they've ever felt before it's listen. So people feel deeply deeply hood. I. Mean Clue. How would you? How would you define it from your victim? Yeah. They talk about this a little bit in the article, it's listen to understand, right. We spent so much of our time listening to respond or listening to Countermand, something or listening to defend our position or pretending to listen because we've got a lot of other distractions and a meeting that we're getting ready to get to and other things that are pulling away our attention in this listen deeply and. and. I think the deeply is so critically important. Here it is about how do I remove the obstacles, remove the distractions what gave talked about a little bit where he said you know shut down the other applications, your phone away for a little while really be in the moment, and when we think about doing that with others, there's so much value and you can tell the difference whether you're on video or not. You can tell the difference between somebody who is really listening and somebody who is kind of listening, but probably doing something else. So I, think that's such an important thing, but the deeply is really the adjective that drives that listening. Yeah I think as we look at this from an organizational context, I think I kind of see almost like concentric circle. So kind of at the outer rim of Socal is make sure every single person urination has an option to share their voice in in various ways to some of that will need to be you know technology platforms, other things. If you've got one hundred, thousand people, you know. So but find ways for everyone to be able to have a voice in a closer in. You know, find ways that people can really be heard by the by the team. For example, that team conversations can happen kind of going closer in? It's how you as an individual leader. Really listen to your. Constituents your your your your your employees. Also, your customers also listened to, you know what's really happening in the world and it's it's a difficult thing to do especially You know right now is a lot of strong emotions. People's has really difficult to listen when your feeling anxious. E- On threat response as a leader can shot down your ability to listen which is really a a real challenge is that you want to add something to the definition just before we get into the science a little bit more anything that you would say sort of an kind of defining what what do we mean by that? I totally agree with you, and that goes back to how do we allow those conversations and also how do we share that sometimes those conversations are going to be clumsy and uncomfortable and it's okay to have those two. Yeah. No, it's definitely going to be uncomfortable. For a lot of people and also listening to someone who has strong emotions is comfortable. You know and listening to people with very strong emotions can can create you having strong emotions than in sudden, even started a cycle and so one of the one of the things I think is really important for leaders is to go into these. Listening Opportunities from a very complex. I think it's really important to manage your threat level as a leader and go in from the lowest. threat. Level, yourself. Said as half a joke for time you know ended up in an emergency. Get Mindful. and by that, I, mean in a cave for awhile. But take a mindful moment and you know what's that mean? It means. Putting your attention onto incoming data in the moment Activating what's called your direct experience network in the brain. Could be through some deep breaths could be through. Just your feeling of your feet on the floor could be something you. But but some kind of data stream. Is Necessary. And you put all your attention on that for a moment. really focused on the incoming data in the present gives you that mindful moment and significant, they calms down. The overall Olympic system? So one thing from the Science Perspective for listening deeply as. You, as the listener have to actually be in a low threat state or you just physically can't do it, and that that's GonNa take some intention out of the for for a lot of people. So that's one one piece of it. I think another piece of. CL-, you can add this I. think other pizza is. We have a tremendous bias that are just built in We say a lot. If you know if you have a brain, you have bias is one of interest. And It's very difficult to mitigate those biases in fact. Many of the biases we have when we organized them into two categories, but many of them actually. Negated or, juice. With. Effort. But one of the most pervasive challenging biases is called experience bias and that bias actually can be mitigated by really hearing diverse perspectives. And in fact, it's the only way of mitigating is to really do what's called perspective taking and really sit in someone else's weld. and. be able to see things from their well. It's it's very effort full. It doesn't happen with a lot of intentionally. We've just publishing a paper on that actually perspective taking itself but. You you we've got a breakthrough era biases and the only way to do that is actually hearing multiple perspectives. In. Many ways, colors, you, wanNA address that further. Yeah I, mean you're reading my mind because the perspective taking paper that we all just finalized absolutely jumped out at me, and I think one of the things it is so relevant about this moment is dead and sometimes for people that are less kind of familiar with biases, we don't recognize that does by these are more prone or we are more prone to them when we're tired hungry, stressed, angry frustrated. And I know a lot of people that are experiencing any or all of those emotions and so. Know at the Times where we need to be thinking sometimes our clearest than mitigating those via sees and really reaching out to others were also contending with this very relevant, very kind of biological you know. Block that gets in the way and we have to be to your point mindful. We have to put the extra energy in to listen deeply, and that's the thing is that you know I when I think about touch bases, obviously, you know over the past week or so I've had lots and lots of amazing conversations with different leaders both inside our organization in without an outside and so two really listened to really be in the moment. Is a bit draining rates at shut everything else out, and the just be there with that person for a period of time ammon for a lot of us that can be really enriching. But the science does absolutely reinforce that you have to do it. Well, you have to really focus in because if not, it can be just. Overwhelming and unproductive and yeah, it's it's. It's tricky and I think you know I think it's sort of both sides of the equation, right? So the person listening post on being listened to write the person listening. you've got to come your own brain. You've got to really work hard to listen to mitigate the bias as you might have and and be asking your like clarifying questions to really get into that person's world, and the idea is know for the person listening is that you actually can fully grasp someone else's experience and fully have that person feel hood. On. The other side you know the experience being fully hood is one of the few things that really calms a nervous system a contracted mind It's literally what an FBI trainer is if hostage negotiators taught to do. Is listened to people away. They've never been. You know listen to before on and you're able to have a conversation and I think the goal here is a compensation and while people are many sides of the fence of how much angus should be expressed. I. THINK WE WANNA turn this into a moment where real change happens where organizations do X. Boldly and I think that's that's going to require bring people to a table in uniting people So it's kind of both sides. Of this, really important. I'm curious to hear from you because again to to this idea of listening deeply. You've been doing that with a lot of chief diversity officers, even having a lot of conversations even before some of the more recent events. Because he's not brand new and but what are you hearing from the chief diversity officers that you have been to chatting with? What is listen deeply means that? Thank you Kalaile So it's been very humbling for a lot of leaders that have been talking to in realizing that the conversations that are having right now are actually much deeper and much more substantial that the conversations they had with the leaders overpass two years, five years, and they're just asking themselves the question as to what happened to us that we didn't have those conversations earlier and. And how can will learn from it, and how can we really create a culture to be more human and always have space to have those conversations and other part that back to David shared around the levels of impact and listening to everybody is actually launching the listening tools for the whole organization and being able to have uncomfortable conversations within one thing that comes up is. Definitely the you know the mental state. The mid, the mental state that people are in his is difficult for all leaders to something we've been we've been. Working on for a while think someone just posted something about this sort of the three cognitive pitfalls in a crisis that we may month back and it's really tempting Alita to kind of forget about themselves and not take care of themselves just kinda run on empty. That's going to be a problem right now, you actually have to take care of yourself better than about with your sleep exercise. All these things to have some calm It's also. Also, really easy to just kind of drive people and forget about the emotions that they have and the Litas. Now, that's going to be very bad You've got to look after each other now better than ever on in the third is not tendency to try to do everything. Actually go to focus on what matters now and those three habits became kind of a manner of been doing and take care of yourself. Look after each other deliver, what matters. And right now think the skills for focus for staying focused and more important than. miss the skills of kind of your own buffers and then sending the right signals. A really, really key. It is a lot of questions around actually listen deeply and the first part around it is how to rally deeply if I actually. AM experiencing the same and another part is, but how do I really list send not to just was what was said, but what is unsaid to curious what comes up for? You and it. I take the first part of that around how to listen deeply when you're experiencing the same because I have been very fortunate to have a number of people that have reached out and said, Hey, I'd love to have a conversation and I'm having those same conversations with my family and my boy is my friends, my family and all of that. And I think it does come back to what David talked about before, which is clearing the space recognizing that we are not super human any of us, and so we need to give ourselves a bit of grace I've also spoken with other black leaders have said, you know I love that everybody is reaching out to me. I'm going to have to put some of those to the side for A. A little while because other people want to have this conversation right now, a new take care of myself and beat. This isn't a brand new conversation for me, and so while I get that it's a heightened level of awareness for you and I love that and I love that you're engaged, I need to take care of myself because I've got one, hundred, twenty, six text messages or two, hundred and fifteen. Fifteen emails from people saying, Hey, I really. WanNa talk. Are you? Okay? Can we can we chat and so I think that listening deeply is a bit of self care. It is what you described where we kind of know say, yes, to put the mask on yourself, I like in an airplane before you can put it on others and I think that's really important and yet for many the listening is. Is actually a part of the processing for them. It's a, it's a part of the way that they get connected to others and build that relatedness and build that connection, and so depending on kind of what your natural orientation is. You've got to do the thing that is right for you. If that energizes you than lean into that, if it drains, you then make sure that you're making time for yourself. There's also a lot of conversation around that sentiment surveys don't really work, but rather you need to open the doors to have one on one conversations and also inclusion circles have been working very well into organizations. Will We'll do a summary of this and that out in a bunch of forms in the next couple of weeks of just kind of what companies are doing, what seems to work definitely, seeing some themes i. think the big thing here is you have to start with this. Don't end with this. You. Let's get to step two and three Jeff to start with this and have people feel more her than the belt and for you as the listen to actually listen more deeply than you ever listen so that we can move to the next extent. Clearly, if you WANNA if we going no I was gonna say we could spend a lot of time here, but as you said, there are. Are Multiple steps. I. Think that's a critically important thing that uniting widely is the next step, and if we just stop at listening deeply, that's where we people feel like, I've said this before, I've talked about it before. So would love to have you give a bit of a definition around what does it mean to unite widely, and and what are some of the science around how to do that. Yeah I'm really Like little hesitant and anxious about cutting some of the science because I. don't be like misinterpreted. We'll take out of context some of its you know. Potentially contentious. But look we need solutions to happen We'll get need people to feel like they're kind of on the same team, and there's a date process that happens in the brain as any human interacts with any other human and that process is basically a fairly binary categorization although it's it's on a continuum can be further, but it's basically technically notice in group or out group. and. The science of this is kind of scary like when you we do this with every human, we interact with we classify them as ingram or out group automatically unconsciously. And, it has a huge impact on what happens next. January, we go kind of surface appearance if someone. Sort of out group is the default. Tend to assume someone is different to us, which is a group ride. which by the way they have competing goals to us. We kind put us together. So we'll assume people are out group. Kind of until proven otherwise. It's just safer that way and people who are really different to us. We might put even further down the continuum of very out group So so we had this automatic classification. Of angry out group, and what's really surprising is just how much of an impact is has on everything that the we then do, right. So basically when someone is an out group member, you process any information from them in a very shallow way it's kind of A. It's lightly processed whereas any information independent of what that information is any any information from an in group member. You actually process very similarly to thinking your own thoughts. And Jason, Mitchell from Harvard in. Your study on this Study looking at different networks activated with. Similar or different, and you know just on the basis of someone feeling similar to you you literally. Talking to yourself. Compared to someone elsewhere has different. It's. Very shallow, very shallow processing. So even physical movement of someone who's Ingeborg awkward was processed differently So everything about perception is processed differently on Ingram Group Secondly, we have very little empathy. Automatic empathy for people who are now out group. We have to really work hard whereas people in our in group. We have very strong automatic empathy. We like Alpay network lights up when they experienced pain automatically. Whereas it doesn't happen out group members. So I. And that has all sorts of implications like it makes us feel capable of doing really bad things to people that we think have competing goals to us not imagining their paint right and then the third one he's motivations and it turns out, we were actually motivated to see ingrate members win and succeed. So we have all these sort of non conscious facial cues and. Choice of words tone, and you know when we're dealing with ingram like encouraging when they're telling positive stories concerned when they're telling negative stories. But Group members, it's reversed with an algorithm tells us a positive story with like and without even knowing it, we send these things. So perception everything's different empathy. Everything's different motivation. Everything's different joss based on Ingram out group. And that's kind of the bad news, the good news johns out to be relatively easy to create ingram. And the the critical thing is shared goals. and. What we've gotTa do here, and this is why you know unite widely is the frame. We've gotta find some shade goals with many constituents. If you run a whole organization, it's the whole organization. Really I'm an megacycles, but you know in a team with your family with everyone. So until we actually unite around shared goals. We're in group out group and it's a problem because any anything you say in that context is is is rough clearly if you want to add there which brings. Some. Some shape and texture to that. Yeah. No I think your your point around some of the challenges of articulating this really in a really nuanced way clear because what we don't want to fall into the both sides argument, right? That like every point of view is equally relevant because from my own humble opinion, they're not necessarily and we need to have those conversations, but we've done. Done some incredible work and Nudge van? Babel. Over at Nyu has done some work around this idea of Minimum Brute Paradigm. Right that if it doesn't take a lot to bring people together, you can use these shared goals as you're describing to bring people together, and at the value of that in group is substantial in how we work, and so you know we do a lot. Lot of work with governments and other places. The majority of the work we do with businesses, and as we've talked to people around, as you framed at the beginning, how to be great leaders, this value of understanding that when we create those shared goals when we all say this is something that we want to accomplish. That is bigger than me individually in it requires us to come. Come together in order to accomplish it, that is a powerful way to say will you might have been over there before you might have been over there before we might have had slightly different perspectives and yet now we can come together and actually appreciate our differences because those differences are a mechanism for. US. 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To fill out the survey, all you need to do is good a neuro leadership, dot com slash pod survey that's near-leadership. Dot Com slash pod survey. One of the things we published on was the sort of challenges of difference focus, and this is a really contentious thing, and maybe you can tell me not to go there. But it's that we need everyone on the same goal, and while they're obviously differences to celebrate and. Every human is incredibly different different rates as have incredible strengths and you know it's What we've got to do is bring everyone together because in our inclusion strategies. When we focus on cut of celebrating individual audiences, we accidentally create out out group for others and so we now inclusion work with it with you know we're talking about actively including everyone so that we we uniting widely. I think that's that's a critical critical piece, but DAF indeed esther I'm curious to hear again, take on the voice of our CDO's out there and the practitioner who's doing this work, what's coming up for you a lot around. China. Understanding for how they can proactively include everybody and what are some of the tools and techniques to be proactively including and removing the in and out group. So I think that we can address that I. Yeah. Yes. Lots of good stories. I mean, let's let's he is. This a little bit more a science. If you're a corporate member A-, some fantastic resources, the inclusion paper the neuroscience inclusions, really important. The take the focus off difference is really important. NAPTHA is three or four zero system powerful webinars and summit sessions that we run over the years like really digging into this I, think that the positive thing will come to secular I think the positive thing is it doesn't take much to create in group even between people who are very, very different. Is that you can have people of different age different race, different nationalities, different background, different training, everything, and actually create quite strong in group. If you find something, they both want to achieve together The brain starts to tag everyone as like having similar things to achieve and you start to literally create a connection with that person of you know we're on the same team. So it's It's it's. It's quite. It's quite an easy thing to create ingram. If you focus on tangible kind of immediate actions, you know that Mattis, both of you go back to you I was GonNa say David I don't remember if we have a slide for, but it might be valuable i. know to your point, not quite a few folks that are on our corporate members or might be more familiar with what we. We do, but I can't get over the idea that scarf is such a valuable tool in this conversation I know. I, talk about it. Constantly I think about it, constantly a share it with you know clients and non clients and family members in terms of really understanding what are those domains of inclusion? How do I unite widely? How do I make sure that people know that I care about them? Them and that they are a part of this experience because I think in. So many ways even I saw a couple of comments that like in and out group may be either new language for folks or they're just kind of figuring it out and there's always a question of. So how do I do that? What am I supposed to do with that? What? What are the actual mechanics of it? So. Maybe you could talk a little bit about scarfing and give people just kind of a high level view of what scarf is and why it's valuable and why we've doubled and tripled and quadrupled down it. I, it just keeps coming up. It's it's You know with covert, and then now with this, it's just such important. Scoffed describes as government describes the five strong threats that the brains tracking all the time Each one of these win are threat activates very similar to the pain center in brain. what's being really powerful or unfortunate should say about the Cova crisis is a huge drop in certainty and autonomy and relatedness all at once right a cer, and then this crisis. You know if you're a person of color, your old five of these are in in the threat state in in a big way, and in particular the the event that really. Sparked, the intense experience of the last week or so I was. Very hard to understand felt like very unfair. I'm it is very rationalized that you know the specific situation happen. I'm standing. So kind of very big famous dry, but you just couldn't get out of your head. and. So all five of these are in a threat state for many many people right now shakily people of color and it's it becomes the It becomes an emotion that feels kind of uncontrollable Control. Stress. And the trouble with that kind of threat response when it feels like you have no control, it's out of control. You Kinda, do just about anything to get it under control And is it is a challenging and so this is partially what's going on. So many other factors but scoffed describes the five things the causing threat, but also describes five things you can create rewards in. and. The Big One right now is the is relatedness and that is literally shed goals. So relatedness comes from shade goals but also comes from you know. Creating, positives in these other ones as well. As their love to hear from you about the things people are doing to unite widely. Let's go back to that. The biggest part what you shared. Camilla's actually a lot of our clients is using the scar framework in order to identify how to move forward and how include everybody the seconds Big One, and that's coming up La A. Ship and launching ally ship programs. and. The third one is using your existing diversity and inclusion at resources like the employee resource groups, business resource groups in order to identify what can be done to unite widely. So no not just assume that you can do something but rather listen to what's different groups needs in order to create that common identity in. Common. Inclusion as a result of it a could you speak to shit work a little bit? I know. We just did that for a huge organization. We built enrolled out some allies shit work that was having. Absolutely have. So and we've continued to explore kind of what ally ship is and where it fits in, and and the only other thing I was going to save specifically before I get to that is this idea that Ester when you talk about the organizations that are now including their employee resource groups and saying, what can we do? There's a reason that these are steps, right. There's a reason that these are sequential because we can't start to unite widely until. Until, we've listened deeply, and so we truly understand what it is. We're trying to solve for, and so David deer point a lot of organizations that are a bit further along in terms of maturity or in terms of kind of their experiences are starting to ask the question of what is it like to be a non black, a non person of color. A non woman would ever the is and support people in an organization to recognize that there are institutional. Institutional and systemic asymmetries that there are things that are not fair that are not necessarily the fault of any particular individual. But this kind of accumulation of a lot of different things that have happened over an extended period of time, and so the work that we've done with that particular client that you're talking about is about helping them to understand how do we talk about ship? How do we build the right habits? How do we ensure that this doesn't feel? Feel like or start to unintentionally become people swooping in and saying, Hey, everyone I'm here to help, and now everything is going to be solved and I think that's why again doubling down on this listen deeply is if I if I ask the question of what is it that you need, how can I help? How can I support as opposed to just trying to come in and accomplish things? There is an immense amount of value and sometimes the answer is Right. Now, as sometimes, the answer is, here's where I need your support. Here's where I need your guidance, and so that work has been just really about with that particular Cli-, but we're continuing to explore how do you do it right continuing the kind of Poland, the research scarf which I saw so many people talking about was a couple of years in the making to really get it right because we know that when. When we get it. Right. When we identify one of those models, it helps to explain so much of what's going on, we can have fundamental change. I. Want to address that because just having some insights as you speaking as people interested in allied ship, we we actually can help you with that. Potentially. We've we've built a famous I. Just thinking about this, you know the power of scoff and also the seeds framework. For years, we've been calling this disruptive language and disruptive language is language that you don't like have to like work hard to remember. It's it's language stat like literally POPs up in the middle of a conversation and you go. ooh, that sounds like a status threat that I'm about to say right or so disruptive language actually lives in your unconscious and then win a relevant situation pops up. Actually the language comes to you and is helpful, and this is one of the things I. Think it's super important whether it scuffled some other framework what you want something that people use constantly. You know it's all very well to say You know we need to mitigate bias. We need to be aware of by us, but you know how many times a week to people actually do that now? And that correlates to literally disruptive some languages which correlates to how sticky it is an enrollment, and that's that we've been trying to do is kind of developed disruptive language that people literally used many times a week not just kind of a model which gets an under three that's going to say disruptive is a a great transition in the summer of this, send them. I know a number of people myself included have said. Okay. Well, we've been in this moment before. Right? We've been here where we saw video experienced a thing and there was outrage and then that went down. And we maybe didn't make the changes that we wanted to or not. Maybe we absolutely didn't make the changes that we wanted to, and so I would love to for you to kind of weigh in on when we were talking about act boldly, that term was one that we anchored on and we said boldly like that's what it is. It's not acts. Now it's not act. It is act boldly. So what does that mean to you and maybe I know there may not be as much science around this because it's more about kind of getting things done, but I would love to know what are some of the recommendations or what's the science that you would equip our listeners with. The, firstly, I mean look. The the thing to be aware of his expectations, right. If you create expectation of something bigger than do something small, you're going to have maybe more anger than the good. Yeah I. So expectations that met is not much reward response you. So say I'M GONNA I'm GonNa do five things five, the brand goes. That was nice. You say I'm GonNa do five things and you do ten. Wow, unexpected. Unexpected awards. Very strong. But if you say I'm going to five and four, especially when things heated, actually that might be as big. A drop as getting to ten is right positive because negative is much stronger than positive role, and so right now, what you don't want to do is create like an expectation of doing big things and then you know do something small. That's one perspective to keep. In Mind, the second thing is. And will come to this in a couple of minutes. Is that you WANNA. Be Thinking about both the the priority of making this a priority. But also thinking the habits of also thinking systemically woke, we'll dig into that a little bit more. So you don't want to be saying, okay, we're GONNA make this important. Actually what we're GONNA do is really get serious about the. You know the hot work in terms of everyday habits that need to change and systems that need to change. So I think. From there it's like, what can your organization truly do that? Maybe other organizations can't That's kind of how I've been thinking about it like at an ally thinking, you know, what can we do our? Job Yutian. The you know it'd be hard for other people to and that's what I kind of want to challenge you to think about great. Give money to causes. If you've got cash flow, you got funds and you're going to do that. Fantastic. But I I. There's an end, which is you know what's the unique thing that maybe you can do as well. The other organizations caught that impact, your constituents, your community. Back, back to you gloominess. As coming in 'cause with free to share some of what you're hearing from folks, I know the moment is still fresh in so and you know when we think about listen deeply and unite widely, that's what a lot of organizations are focused on right now. But I, know that you've also spoken to some folks that are already starting to think about how to act. Boldly, if I go back to a little bit of kind of what I think of when I think of that boldly and David to your point post it is what are the unique things you can do because not everyone has a significant pile of cash that they can donate or you know has a platform where they feel. Feel like they can reach millions and millions of people. But there are unique things that every organization can do that. Say This is critically important to us, and you know no big changes has ever happened in an announcement. It might be started in an announcement, but the hard work that goes on beyond that is where the true disruption comes in, and so it doesn't doesn't scare you a little bit. I wonder. Is it truly bold? Right? If there's not something where people would to your point around unexpected is like, oh, my gosh. Wow, that I'm surprised at were willing to do that at that. We've never gone there before we've never done that thing before because if it's not that than. Necessarily bold and I think one of the things that will be interesting for of what about the places that don't have a great history that don't have a lot of trust being built up in the organization and and what what other opportunity to do that. Then now, right? It's not well, you know we couldn't afford. So we're not GonNa do it now or were concerned about what people will think about it and there are true. True really opportunities to kind of take advantage of the emotion, the moment, the the interest that is coming out of a lot of people. So Esther Elson that you've been talking this CD does it said, here's what I'm thinking. Here's what we might want to do is this old enough and it comes to achieve diversity officers I loved a quote from one. Amazing CBO round, we need to stop storytelling and actually drive for systemic change. Been, the language is changing from rethinking the talent management systems to changing them to disrupting them to removing those that didn't work and introduce a new one. So when it comes to hiring processes when it comes to promotions a Lotta chief diversity officers are putting their energy towards what is the twenty percent change in the systems that we can make. That will drive for the most amount of impact. And even maybe if you could transition priorities habits in systems a bit because I've found also as I've been working with organizations has just been an incredible, incredibly useful tool for people to understand maybe where we've gotten stuck in the past or where we are right now and and what we need to do differently. Mean it's Everyone's kind of curious. What should we do? That's really bold. And how do we really do it and and it's got beyond just you know putting some money to something that can definitely help. I. Think it's great to see people's bald strategies coming in. Let's let's jump to page. I'm going to actually. Let me just say this is the ball thing that we decided to do so far. We're some other things but in ally we've decided to. Give Free de escalation training to off any an old state and federal law enforcement agencies, and we're to reach out to them all and offer it and Make this elbow up the rest of two, thousand, twenty maybe longer. But for this year for shore we're GONNA actively share this out. So this is something that's been really important to us to think about it a lot. We decided to invest in an end and really do this. if you're from a federal agency involved in law enforcement with. free de escalation training, but providing into specifically to law enforcement But we can evolve out with everyone that we can find in that space as well. So that's something that we're doing right now. Let's talk about. That The. The, the calills mentioning. And kilometers, we move off bald and sort of get into that and the science. So what do you think I think it's worthwhile to talk about this because you think what I, what I see from a lot of different people, and you know there's a quote that my father used to say before that I think kind of exemplifies some of this moment that you know a vision. Vision without action is daydream action without vision is a nightmare right, and so I think a lot of organizations are trying to figure out what is the action that we WANNA take? How does it fit together and so we do need to slow down just a little bit to make sure that we get it. Right. But not to miss the moment right as if people are saying well. Well. We want to actually, but we want a little bit of data. We're not quite sure how to get there and what I would just encourage us to do is to say, it doesn't need to be perfect esther brought up something. We've talked about a foreign terms of kind of the clumsy conversations. I think your point around expectation matching is spot on. Don't say we're going to you. You know completely alter everything we do and then say, Oh, never mind you decided to stop you know reviewing resumes the way we were before. But some of that bold action is to have to take a different way of viewing in a different way of looking at things and I think we're seeing a bit less activity around like here's what we're doing because we're not quite sure yet. ENSURE, what's The I mean, here's the framework. Listen deeply unite widely act boldly, right. Listen Unite Act. The act is really important. Everyone still working out what that is. That's what I'm getting people still trying to work this out and I want to actually just put a big shout out for follow the science. You'RE GONNA see these words if you times from us. So just you know follow the science at the highest level science is really three kinds of work that you have to do. You have to make something a priority which tells the brains care focus on this notice off Jimmy's. The hard work is the habit building. And the reason, the hard work is reason heavily hot work is we don't respect the way how it's working. We join investing in finding out what the really best Habita- as society, generally and we try to go everything. So. To challenges with habits, we, just don. Don't out which ones really mad up, which was really have an impact from science enough. And, then we don't follow. You know the designs of how you build them. Those are. Those are things that we really. Built for, that's how well we're in the habit activation business at scale So it constantly evolving in thinking, studying and following the science on what are the habits and I don't think there's one set of habits for. you know increasing you know creating a more diverse inclusive organization where people feel hopefully hood. I do not one smalls. Habits is there is work around. Actively mitigating bias and this will work really weaves that into the organizations language. Giving example of that we talking with the major airline like A. You know every talent meeting, they read out the categories of bias beforehand so that they primed just like a safety meeting. When we're having a talent review here, the bias is we got to actually be aware of So his language and biased his language around inclusion which is very much scoff. It's also Languid Dreamt ally ship at some of that Anka's on scoffed and other things. Is also language around employee voice. Had you give people the space to speak up and encourage that? So I think there's a kind of a few sets of habits. and. Kind of an ideal order in which to embed these, and then as a way in which people actually develop habits. So just a just a shout out like if someone in your organization says, we are going to rollout mandatory bias training as soon as humanly. Possible. Please call us. A please call us. We're going to talk down from that We're going to show you data of just how incredibly effective non-mandatory straining can be if it's done. Right and. An just show you the research. We've this is a space we've been in for about six or seven years. helped I think one hundred and fifty companies actually truly mitigate bias. Nearly every employee every week. So just be really careful of the knee jerk reaction of all, it's going to unconscious bias training. There are a lot of Kutch spice training initiatives that will actually make things worse. I really want you to follow the science. The session next week Also, if you just you know just email anyone that you've had contact with US happy to share out lots of the articles and and and and research that we've done on this space If you know that your company is like barreling towards that, just reach out, someone will someone will Walk you through a better way to think about what the science really says on that note something that we're doing. We've been doing this for the last month or so we are. We continue for the next few weeks, we've been offering organizations. An opportunity basically to pick our brains for an hour, and if you want to focus that on deny and kind of how do we build the the learning strategy to truly drive deny, then we can help you with that as well. But we've been doing these learning strategy orbits around. How you think you're going to transition to a mobile learning wealth and then what the science actually says, how to properly. The reality with going to mortgage learning is actually can make things a lot better or Lois We believe we know how to make it a lot bit. We've been doing that for a long time. calill closing comments Maybe I'll pull the framework back up any closing comments as we bring together about. What to do in this moment leadership? In this moment, some comments before we an answer from you as well before you playoff, Gaggenau I'll keep it brief, but this is the model. This is what you can do in this moment. This is what all leaders should be doing and focusing on and what you end up doing within your organization may be slightly different in terms of those drop downs. But do these things do them in these steps and let us know how we can support esther and we'll get back to your game. I went to add to that in a lot of comments not achieved diversity officer. So what do I do? What I'm sitting is that leaders are very very open to suggestions ideas and you had so many ideas and acting boldly. So bring them to your organization's plug us in. If we can help go to your employee resource groups, but we need to all collectively dry for impact. Yeah, I. Mean I just WanNa finish with. It's scary. It's scary for everyone It's it's incredibly challenging. Moment I've had. You know incredibly strong threat responses myself awake and Spain intense. But I think this is the right thing to do I think it's time to listen deeply unite widely into to act boldly and the more we do that together the better off will. So thanks everyone Partnership on team pulling together Esther and Khalil XS. Everyone for being here and please reach out if anything we cannot. Your brain network produced by the narrow leadership institute. You can help us and making organizations more human by rating, reviewing and subscribing wherever you get your podcasts. Our executive producer for your brain at work. No GALP. Danielle. Kershaw bladders our editor. 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