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"alice keeler" Discussed on The How-To Heretic

The How-To Heretic

03:46 min | 3 months ago

"alice keeler" Discussed on The How-To Heretic

"Lundgren and enrolled at the central Missouri State University. Go Mules. and. Mules yeah well actually since you ask, the mules are the men and the women are known as the genie's. They fee. Is that a female mu? Yeah and they have two different mascots. The guy in the suit is known as Mold Modem. You'll, and they have a live me all named Mankato. So, he puts the acid mascot. Somebody levels. No just the one. Anyway. There's an important fact about all of Mormonism that folks need to know for any of the story to make sense and that is that Mormons believe prophecy yes. And not just from their head Prophet, they believe in personal revelations so theoretically any worthy member might hear directly from God. He where the member with a penis. Yeah mostly. Yeah, it's very American in that way. We're all extremely important here, so yeah, there you go! That's kind of a problem so. When somebody in a minor position of authority in the Early Church told Alice Keeler that God had impressed upon him that she would marry a great leader of the church. When she was young, she took that Shit to heart. She watched every guy she dated wondering. Could this be the one? Does he seem like he'll be a great church leader? When she met Jeffrey. She felt like she had found her leader. He was everything you look for in a religious big shot. He had a strange look in his eye, a domineering demeanor lots of big opinions, and he studied the scriptures a lot, so she was in your checks all the boxes. Pretty, Oh yeah! Unless. You're going to tell me. He was not a sex past. It'll get there, okay. But yes, he was actually he. Was Hovering over that bucks. Just call Bingo. You're fine. The two got married in nineteen seventy. Alice got pregnant and Jeffrey in order to avoid the draft, or maybe to avoid parenthood enlisted in the navy and was sent off to Vietnam. Alice was left to take care of the kid and then a second one alone. I assume the second one came when he was on furlough or something anyway, I'm going to skip their early marriage, except except to note that he was not an awesome husband, he controlled every aspect of her life, citing scripture about women, being subservient and shutting out shutting the hell up, he was abusive, and like all the great abusers made sure that she knew that it was her fault that he hit her because she wasn't following Jesus as commandments always make her man happy, but don't worry religions. Religions a tool for good right. He seems pretty brand. Yep, so far so good we're. We're going down trodden a well trodden path. Alice readily submitted to Jeffrey's rebukes, believing that he was in fact just following the scripture, and after all he was going to be a great leader in the church so. Textbook narcissist had found someone easy to manipulate. It truly was a match made in Mormon Heaven. And this and thus began a career of religious manipulations while he was in the Navy, a fellow seaman had taken an interest in Jeffries, constant scripture study, and before you knew it, Geoffrey had converted the guy..

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"alice keeler" Discussed on OnEducation

OnEducation

12:43 min | 7 months ago

"alice keeler" Discussed on OnEducation

"It's It's insane so that's what's going on up here man. It's rough I feel like I'm preaching to the choir a little bit but it's important that people know me most of our audiences American but it's I think it's worthwhile for for people everywhere understand what it's like anywhere else too. So it's a lot of the same type of issues to the same types of situations so hopefully it gets resolved. I bid they reached some sort of understanding where addressable as big topics a gross speaking of gross. Yes twitter twitter has Glenn Irvine hot under the collar And and I'M GONNA I'm GonNa just let let Glenn talk about a little bit here. I just don't think I'd been this angry at a really long about something. I should actually. I should not. I should take my own advice. I put these top. Ted Edgy twitter tips of how to get started with a twitter and education. I think number ten is don't take things too seriously Says because there's GonNa be things that are gonNA just row you up in this yet when goings yeah it. It's it's it was. I think we've had the topic of Alice. Keeler on this podcast many times again. They're actually we've supported obvious. What the premise of specific tweet was and some of them. Not so much and in this case it's the not so much Really it's infuriating. Because I have a specific take on this and I know that other people are not going to totally agree with me. But that's okay 'cause this that's our platform here. We're going to basically state our opinion. Why this is a ticket knee off so much So basically I'll read you the tweet. It says this is Alice. Keeler by husband Taught High School English. I think that's important too high school English and never not once brought any work home though lesson. Planning no grading home is home. Time and reading through the threat of tweets. She taught for many many years. According to Alice's up until very recently at talking about like as much as I have taught So in the twenty year age you know something like that to admit. It seemed like it was a extended period of time. Why did he get glanced so fired up? So many reasons. Let me start with number one. You just finished talking about something Super Important Mike. Which is we have this. These teacher strikes and the perception is that teachers teach during this. Basically your work to rule hours. Which are my contract at? My School is seven thirty to three thirty. Different schools have different Contract HOURS AND WE WORK I. I don't know how many days I actually have. It's probably hundred eighty five or something in there somewhere in. Their averages is probably about right But anyway I worked seven thirty to three. Thirty is my contract hours and then I have one hundred eighty five days that I work. Do have a sickly what amounts to about close to three months of vacation time. I view include the summer in the different breaks that I have throughout the year and that I've had a different schools in different states or whatever it might be very similar I do have about three months of of off time. Alice was off our podcast. Fighting for teacher Basically saying hey. We're not getting paid enough in. All of these different states is the same as advocacy that we have had the same advocacy that you are posing right now because you're stating teaching might be contract at seven thirty to three thirty but that doesn't mean that has the hours that you really work and that is because of so many things that happened. That are part of the teaching profession about being professional. Remember that we wore. The shirts are professionals. Well in my opinion to be a professional teacher in anybody that I mentioned for example or anybody that I teach right now at the university level. If I'm speaking to them I say hey by the way home is home time. Make sure I make that distinction right now in. Don't bring any work home. The lesson plan at Your House. Do everything the school during those contract hours at become super-efficient to those things. If that's the case Mike there is a case for the for the other side of this argument for the right wing for. Let's whoever whoever this people are basically the people that don't want us to basically get salaries we really have it so good whatever might be if we are only working seven thirty to three thirty and I earned what I earn which is a significant amount of money for. Let's say a ten months job and you allocate those monies for a twelve month job. Holy God I've make a crapload money but we all know. That's not the truth that we work these extended hours during the weekdays and we work on weekends it we obviously do stuff during the summer to at most of that stuff is unpaid. The premise that it's setting in Alice gets followed by hundreds of thousands of people and other people. Just look in there. Not even following her. They are looking at so. She has great influence as far as in the educational. Sphere especially at edgy twitter. Let us call twitter sphere. She speaks in many schools in many districts. The premise that that sets though that that saying hey. This is what you should be cheating. I think is just wrong. I think it's wrong. It's actually making the case against us as far as talking about how much we do work. Basically outside of the school day outside of the school hours so that was the first thing that was fired me up. The second thing is you starts posting underneath disdain underneath threaded continuously last couple of days where she's taking pictures of her husband is like. Who's the topic of this conversation? Has the chapters of this book that he's GonNa write about. How do you go about doing this? It just reminds me of what you just talked about earlier. Mike. It's an exploit to our job. How do we find the keys now? Should we be as efficient as possible? Yes should we find ways to not great everything we talk about that too not great Absolutely should we hyper focus on grading is really not good? Either the part. That ticks me off those disguise at high school. English teacher or was and there's an important segment of being in a high school English teacher specifically in my wife is one where you have to give students appropriate personalized feedback on their writing to become better writers. You're a writer Mike and Mortar for you to develop that skill like any other skill. You need timely appropriate feedback. That's personalized for you. Not some canned freakin comment from something or something that you know you need something a gives you the inspiration as a writer to go cool. I understand what I'm doing into kind of where I'm at as far as the Where excelling what I need to work on. Plus it makes that connection your teachers your educators working with you to bring you coaching coaching sport Europe. Coaching you up until you become this proficient in this case a writer. Whatever actually might be so. I can see that in that lens of an English teacher where I'm like. There's no way you can do your that. That in that amount of time. She said no lesson planning. I've just I've I was throwing things around the house. I was like what no less of planning no grading. They'll do anything I just think set unrealistic precedent. People that may say hey. Alice Keeler said that this is what I should be. Achieving may find themselves in a really bad situation as far as how they are looked upon how they're administrator actually sees them as far as the work that they're actually doing as far as school. Cancel do this. Yes I do know that they can will. They be an effective teachers. Pose as far as the question in my opinion. Not even frigging close. I mean you can't do it you get it. That's the reason why teachers always talk about. Ask any teacher out there. What's the biggest problem you know as far as in education right now for educators? What what is the biggest problem? They say time. I just need more time to be able to do all of these things. Whatever it is that they're doing be more creative. Come up with things get better feedback all of these types of things in the pull that time in half to extend it out into those hours those after school hours those weekend hours and so on and so forth a freaking. Piss me off Go ahead here because there's a second part to this to that. That was another tweet that came out after this. So what's your commentary so far because there's a part about research studies that were led referenced that parts. I started throwing other things that not all Okay so I don't know if you you are familiar with like Hattie's research right. He did this analysis of basically all kinds of different things Kinds of difference effective teaching techniques. He did this basically a a a ranking call it of what are the most effective things. How All United? I think I did it. The Fed had he's had his research in the Meta analysis is really controversial. Anyway you know as far as he pulled. Thousands of studies in any basically listed out things in priority and like decolonization is like way at the bottom like things to do with equity and racism and stuff like way down. It's like Whoa red flag so there's some things and many other things. I don't think it was never bent to do that. Specifically you know it was never meant to rank things like we talked about Sammer or whatever might be. It was never meant to say this is good. This is bad. It was a Meta analysis of studies in basically they talk about like what are the most effective things on you know on a as far as teaching methods and anyway she said take a look at. Hattie's research if it's below this scale below point where the point for trash it right so of course people ago like off the deep end because there's so many things on point four below agreed no are super important and one of them was funny because it had to do with basically what she does a lot of her career besides being an educator. She is a a a digital tools experts. Let's call it that okay Eh One of the things on Hattie's research on the low end is talks about digital tools and instructional methods after do with online teaching methods. And all these types of things that are Thing so was just so many things so wrong with that and using it in those ways and I understand people are gonNA come back Glenn. You shouldn't get so worked up about this. You know people should be able to if they're not gonNA If they're not going to take at they're gonNA decide they're not gonna do work at home. They should be allowed to do that. You Jess you should be allowed to do that but I should be allowed to call you out and say. I don't think you're doing an optimal job. I just don't. I don't think you could ever be so efficient in the little bit of time that we have as far as at school that you could be a great teacher in that amount of time and many people have. I don't know what kind of prep period you had..

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"alice keeler" Discussed on OnEducation

OnEducation

10:55 min | 11 months ago

"alice keeler" Discussed on OnEducation

"The podcast Alice Keeler is great she's got really strong opinions though and this tweet gets people going every time and we just couldn't let it go this time because it's so much fun to talk about whether you agree with it or disagree with it I think that the conversation is is in is interesting and I I'm not afraid of the conversations at all whether I agree with him or disagree with someone just GonNa call with the tweet from from Alice it says sure maybe if I miss a deadline at my job I might get fired but more likely my boss shows me Murray see and I get a chance to finish it in the real world if it isn't done right I must redo it and I do not lose one cent on paycheck Hashtag in the real world so twitter feed being being twitter and edgy twitter being edgy twitter did their thing on this tweet probably about fifty fifty actually now that I'm really about it I think more people disagreed with the that that respond respond to negative did not that people just like retreat dinner it's in a move on agreeing they don't feel like they compelled to like hey let me show you my support some people do they go like you know lots of people lots of people though like that for tweets by a small handful of people Alice would be one of them George Chorus would probably be another one maybe Matt Miller would be another good example of people that would just automatically get alike can re tweet no matter what the a right they may not necessarily agree with that I think it's totally true I'm fine with it in generally speaking I agree with almost everything that both Alice in George and Matt say so I'm fine with it right I don't agree with everything that Alice reset almost I did I did preface that I said almost and so so this is a fun conversation this is talking about the real world and what happens when you miss deadlines in the real world and whether we should the real premise of this question the point of Alice's tweet is that deadline's shouldn't matter in school because or that we shouldn't wait them as highly certainly shouldn't deduct grades from kid the people in I would I I mean I worked in the business world before I was a teacher and I can unequivocally unequivocally say that I mean that's not true there are tons of consequences for if you are late and there are monetary costs consequences for if you don't do your job and get it done on time I don't think it absolutely conflicts with the premise of what she's actually trying to say I'm not sure she said it in the best way that you could have said it I don't believe in late penalties I'm fine with saying that I don't have to compare it to the real world to say lay penalties I don't likely penalties I think that there could be other there are better other ways to dissuade kids from turning in late and I think that there are other repercussions that you can have for turning things in late without reducing a child's grade a child's great as a measurement of their you know what they know yes not when they handed it in by I think that training things on time is important so we should talk about that a little bit too because that's her actual like the actual lake pushback from this is what are you talking about Alice turning things on on time is important it's a real world thing we need to teach our kids how to do that so oh I think even some of the responses weren't you know weren't clear in terms of their actual like their actual problem with the tweet and the tweet was unclear in its actual premise but I get what both are saying I understand actually I think what she's a I know what she's posted here is in response to win people say I'm GonNa hold my students accountable to a specific deadline after this deadline they either get a reduction in that's what you talked about or or they don't get the turn it in you get zero you know whatever it might be whatever the decision is there and their justification to that it is that's because they need a lured this so that they could learn so that they have it down by the time they get into the real world so backup for the real world so it's like this it's this theory that would be a fourteen year older twelve year old whatever might be thank that I'm GonNA learn this lesson English class when I don't submit my paper on time and I get zero in the repercussions of that are going to stick with me so much that I'm GonNa apply that to my career when I met you know h twenty one twenty two whatever it might be you know as far as it goes editors a huge disconnect there I love this tweet by coach Curtis who response to this whole thing and he says I always find this debate interesting because this has happened multiple twitter cassim people seem to be split between two theories on the purpose of school do you go to school to learn how to be a better thinker or right do you go to school to learn how to be a better worker and he said I tend to side with the first to be a better thinker you just talked about too what are we measuring this school I mean of course we went and met we want to build soft skills we've talked about that on this thick what else could be timeliness you are known for sure arriving to work on time a lot of lawyers that's aqui components to evaluating you so zinc you arrive to work on time you complete the things that I ask of you in a timely fashion should on meet deadlines etc and so that is important obviously we wanna do that I just don't know how turning in something that is you know how to directly correlates that line what you're learning in school about turning in a piece of work or whatever might be beating deadline on a project whatever it is then meeting that deadline at work if those two things exactly correlate or if it's a matter of maturity too when you get older or the consequences are we a different to would it I mean these people are trying to say in the real world Blah Blah Blah of course analysis tweet interesting because she actually says that in the real world her boss would give leniency and it's true some do some stew let's Muslim I'm even saying most and she says she wouldn't I think past that argument is what is the purpose of school that's the real discussion that's really where it takes place in it's a combination of soft skills and academic knowledge was called academic knowledge like what are you actually do in how do we measure those things in I love framing it that way because we've actually talked about this before and I think that this is a great analog for for thinking about what the purpose of school actually is between preparing kids for work or what did you say preparing kids for work or preparing kids for uh-huh thinkers for being better thinkers and when you think back to the way that school was and the way the purpose of school two hundred years ago and we've talked about this before the Prussian model which is the model that our North American all of North American school is based on is to prepare kids for work yes to get them ready to get their asses into a factory and press that button trek stuff out right or go into the army and Martin Lines and then shoot your gun that's literally that was the purpose of school cool for hundreds of years the look it up folks I'm not I'm not blowing it out. The purpose of school was the Prussian school system it's like written about everywhere and that is the model it is the model now for our current ah both the United States in Canada's school system is based on the PRUSSIAN school system model from the seventeen hundreds folks so you know that's great and but that bill kids to learn how to work and to fight like it was literally about working fighting and I think that Alice is you know you know Alison's point is that school is about teaching kids you know to think and to learn in different ways and I think that this is a fascinating conversation and we could go on all day unfortunately we don't have time for that but but hopefully you know we can spark some conversation we will definitely make this at a question on chat on education because it's fun and and hopefully people can chime in on their amazing knowledge of the Prussian school system because I Love I love it impressions school system anytime I can get a chance I was just thinking Mike that the ultimate will be we need to get alice back onto the podcast suspicious ethically talk about some of these things because then she can expand upon it twitter can be limited space for dialogue that we should have a twin a hot take addition with Alice Keeler that'll work actually of course at work we could all for sure.

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"alice keeler" Discussed on OnEducation

OnEducation

14:03 min | 1 year ago

"alice keeler" Discussed on OnEducation

"To learn more about class craft and the new story mode simply visit fast craft dot com slash on education and ebb and Alice Keeler Day suck everybody that's using his sake let's burn them all fair I don't I think that's what we said Yeah you friends welcome to this special edition of dig it four digit so we're here with our friend our justin timberlake Noah guys for our one hundredth episode this is episode one hundred on Edgy Haitian who I think of a more appropriate thing to do than this I I was excited about an instant league and so we are digged or ditching it on episode one hundred yes can't believe it's an episode one hundred yeah congratulations just one day to come up with stuff that good solid weeks I've been saving up since episode thirty two just hoping we would get to this moment waiting for the right time fantastic well Noah we we through a gauntlet down I don't know so I don't know if you're rising to the challenge or not but we don't know what's going on this is how it goes no one is going to ask us some questions we don't know what the questions are and he's looking for hot or at the very least mediocre takes on on these questions we want to see what's up digging it or ditching it so take it away friend that's right and for this one hundredth episode special we're going to go on theme everything's should have something to do with a hundred and we're going to start off by just ditching the at least lukewarm takes we are zeroes hundreds for dig Itchy we are extremely hot takes whether we are digging or ditching and so we we're going to start Glenn 'cause Mike my need to ease into the to the extremely hot takes the hundred percent emoji digging a ditch it hundred percent emoji I've ditching that thing I have so many other emojis bets I use on my on my list I'm just opening up my phone here I don't even I don't even know the last time I've even used one hundred percents when you use it when it comes up and you don't want it to the trash ours is that a ditch make our ditch I hate that thing this is a great one because the frigging eight the hundred percent of og probably mainly because I say one hundred percent a lot like in like in that way and it always comes up and I don't want it because it's look stupid can we just make it look better even are you pulling it up so you can see what it looks like I'm just got it right now and go on I reuse it but I've heard people use it yes I agree I'm ditching it I actually have a garbage can ahead of the one hundred percents I don't know when the last time I use the garbage can but I have one here my worry that'll be you use it you use the one hundred percent emoji and then put the garbage can after a remind you and clarifying question Michael What about one hundred percent emojis used in triplicate number what is that number I don't know it's just three one hundred zero I think it's more of an IMF more of an emphasis thing than a bigger number still trash can we just make like design thing that I it's it's ugly Emoji let's just can we do a one hundred and then a percents I'm like is it that hard how hard meek a proper one hundred percent emoji for Christ's sake I just I'm looking got it right now I actually I always thought it was one dollar you don't even know what I I was like a teacher you know your teachers underlying I I'm a fan of the hundred percent emoji I agree there's there's I'm taking it I there are definite better emojis better gifts and it's a classically what he's ever misinterprets what what did you mean by that and they they know it should be with one hundred percents when they say what do you mean by that they actually don't know what you mean all right where we're going to move on from that softball bike and go to good another one how about giving hundred percent of students the same grade on a group project digger ditch it Mr Washburn ditching it I might have dug it a couple years just to go but I'm ditching it now one of the things that I've learned you know ironically in disappointingly since I've left the classroom is that there are way better is to assess group projects than assessing the final product I talk about does actually quite a bit and we've had actually my my our friend. Aj Giuliani on and he is brilliant at his great Oh yeah I mean great is an understatement and he blew my free in mind when we were together and he started talking to me about the grid rubric and and and and about Egypt based assessment and I was just like the the things that I didn't I didn't do our embarrassing at this point I missed so many opportunities to do such a better job than I did and this is absolutely one of them so I would have dug it in the past and I would be absolutely ditching it hard ditch now hot take hard ditch definitely a hard ditch along with Mike and I think that's the reason why if you ever have I know that some teachers complain about stood it's as far as when group were happens that one student ends up taking over the whole entire project and that because they know at their grade is dependent upon kind of this group functioning at a high level that they may not even have chosen their group or what even if they had ended up taking over because they know they want to achieve whatever it is the level that they want to achieve and there bring everybody along with them so they're taking over which ends up happening quite often especially if if if you're evaluating their projects in this matter so hundred percent for every student no thanks give it up the exact like Mike I'll admit I did in the past to maybe you know people are currently doing it just evaluate whether y you would actually want to do and then think about the consequences of that action how you can actually change it and there's a bunch of resources for example Aj Giuliani's resources that you can see how could you do it differently. That's really interesting the way the way that you it is actually kind of for totally different reasons the where I come in at a dig and I'm a new dig on this I think before I would have been a hard ditch I I was that student who got stopped doing all the work for slackers who because you know they were gonna get migrated I was going to get their grade and I wasn't going to let that happen happen but I you know reasonably saw last week actually an article saying that how like the number one jobs for local employers right now white collar employers in Denver Colorado they cannot fill is project managers and that's across industry construction to tech did they are desperate for project managers and when I think about you know the student who you know is sitting there as a teenager thinking the unfair that I did all these guys are getting the same grade as me when I'm doing all this work it's also kind of like what it's like in the real world right I mean just in our own P. L. C.'s iron however we sat there and as a p. l. c. you know we're Kinda judged you know as in single organism not not as individual and so in some ways I think it's good preparation for life I allies brin new dig on this but I am I am digging it even though there there's probably watch a really great reasons why sterile pedagogy I I love that you're dig thing they were yeah we're we're splitting the votes here this week let's stick on one hundred percent theme with absolutism saying that an educational site or APP is one hundred percent bad I just saw this today oh my goodness it had dried so damn nuts I freaking hate that I hate it I'm an absolute ditch that you would say this one thing is the worst thing in the world and knows that I've done this to him to whereas when you the shopping about smart boards and at him at Alice Keeler where like day suck whoa everybody that's using a sake and let's just burn them all I don't think that that's what we said Yeah you did and so anytime you go to that extreme match there's no conversation there number one first of all to come in at a really gotta you gotta like okay do you really have you seen have you seen this at the highest practice like whoever's using a specific tool what are they using it for and for what purpose and then if you can see all of that and it still garbage than I can say okay good but most I mean they just throw it there's an APP out there ed today there was one out there I saw Noah's response to it and I was like couldn't agree more because I hate when people just destroy one thing like they're like distinct sucks view use it your teacher to think Mike I'm disappointed that you guys both saw the same thing that and I didn't I don't know what you're talking about you're you're digging the foam it's classroom yes you basically talk about the different skills that students were actually using during class that I really wanted to but that I wanted to promote those specific skills they don't use negative points are still great work great job yeah yeah exactly like any other tool be used in a not good way to of course it can be used in a not good way and so I've seen a maybe I have seen in the example recently the class Oh joe came up where you know there was a very bad use case of class oh Joe that popped up on twitter the in the last days maybe I'm thinking of the same thing and you know that isn't the classic example of how Class Dojo is used not even close to be perfectly honest most people use class because I've seen seen a ton of this that a ton of people use caused Joe to reinforce positive aspects of the classroom experience and don't even use negative points at all and you know so I mean but anything in absolute bad anything in a hundred percent of and I mean even our strongest and I'm pretty strongly opinionated politically to say the least and I mean even and I I very rarely speak in absolutes even politically even about donald trump and stuff like that this is the one hundred episodes shirts have a bike wash bird shares politics even get it Oh yeah I I'm ditching absolutes you know pretty seriously because yeah I think that any firm position on on something in a way that's intractable or unmovable is is bad for you let's have a quick rift this is not necessarily digger because you just touched on something around absolutes that I think is a future topic bullets hit it now and that that's around like teachable moments versus banned for life and I think that.

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"alice keeler" Discussed on OnEducation

OnEducation

12:41 min | 1 year ago

"alice keeler" Discussed on OnEducation

"Let's see where you are are but it's actually the the quality of questions and there's just so benign and they're just merely sort of you know. Let's be honest. It's like for political benchmark so scenario. What would you say. Is the biggest problem with the way. Most people teach math right now. You have a recent blog post. That says do we math math. It's titled Sorry. Do Math to live or live to math at you right. I want to live to bath. Can you explain that to our audience and let us know so. What is your your thoughts behind the the biggest problem ahead the way people are teaching math well. It's sort of I posed that question my blog same way. Do eat deliver lift heat right. Yes in some in some places. We have to eat a live but I've talked about generally half on society which we are in a to lift. It's just not about eating well but it's been sharing those moments where people and those memories we have around the dinner table whether it's you know holidays or fees and those things those are very important things the same analogies with math we we we should not to live because we want to celebrate bath and not just go through this sort of you know getting kids to be widgets and making sure they're reaching these benchmarks and all these things because that's part of the dehumanizing part and I think the reason why we don't you know live Tabatha. Sorry is because we don't think as a society collectively we we really understand the the the beauty of math most of us have this sort of the same that we're talk re teaching our kids with some. MHM pedagogical differences through time but generally speaking we still test kids still give kids homework. We still have a pretty standard western Canon in math education which only highlights generally western mathematicians we still have the same trajectory word ends off in Calculus it it things haven't changed and you know the way that for me the difference between mathematical thinking and mathematics mathematical ethnical thinking may not necessarily involve pure mathematics for me. It's a more important thing so kids playing with puzzles and conundrums and riddles and even gaming aiming things are doing got to me how houses a lot of mathematical thinking so we as adults are not really doing a good job of mapping what kids are into what's happening to you. Know what maybe how we should approach teaching mathematics so it comes up a lot with Alice every time Alice Keeler tweets about how she gets mad when people say I'm not good at math I always raise my hand a little bit and go I use icee that all the time and I feel I feel kind of like I got a starry trying to reframe my own mind around it by listening to folks like you and Allison people who love math because I frankly hated math and and I'm thinking a lot about it now but why I say that almost habitually like a like a knee jerk reaction when people talk about math or when when math comes up on like I'm not good at math so then it just gets me out of the conversation sation even sometimes which is a bonus in some cases. I suppose but what I'm really interested in in this whole conversation is about how we and I think you've got this nailed so I'm really interested in your response. How can we make math more exciting more interesting and more engaging than the the way it is right now. Well I think I we have to start in terms of being honest in terms of what mathematics is this and I don't think we're honest whether because we're naive or purposeful how much sure but what I mean by that is most of mathematics so you just mentioned about being good at math and I don't know if you read the article maybe year ago. The title of my blog was not good at math and you shouldn't be either. It was approach. It was provocative but what I was saying was when you say I'm not good at math or people say I'm good at math or whatever we're talking about the K. to twelve ultimatum which we learned in math there's over three hundred problems right now in the world which are on Sol which means there is over three hundred problems in the world which nobody in this planet China can do the most history mathematics about failure and blank would should I do next right and and we have an honored that narrative in school or society. It's all about hey. How how fast can you get this answer right. It's like a Sitcom after twenty minutes when kids leave the class area should be wrapped up like some sort of course not that's a complete falsehood and it creates more anxiety more pressure but the worst thing it does it does complete service to would how mathematics is learned like it takes time. It takes time for everybody. Everybody not just people who might be initially bright or have capabilities early on. I think we're all capable of reaching high the highest points in math. I I just like you know there might be five cent relation which might be revisited. Learning Mathematics and there might be five percent which is gifted. Maybe give or take some percentage but by far the vast majority population can't reach the same heights of loving math be excited about math but I think where we failed is we don't understand that really most is about failure and not being able to solve it and so what Oh kits you know. What's your jammed then. If you can't solve a problem you get stuck well why has captivated so many people millions of people for thousands of years because it's about being in the moment of the problem they're not looking to see sure they hope they can solve it but math is so engrossing on his own own that you don't have to get it right. You have to just be in the moment of the puzzle so I mean then I connected to this other this other idea that I had as I was thinking about our talk today and that's what I I'm a history major. I love Social Studies. I was into it my entire your life I I still read tons of history even academic history now and there are tons of people who who just absolutely hated the find it completely for lack of better words but it's the common word boring and so I'm wondering I mean the teacher itself him or herself plays a pivotal role in this I think in in making math and history interesting and engaging aging do they not like like house. How pivotal is the teacher in this in this context. The teacher is absolutely pivotal. All you mentioned history. Oh my favorite teacher was Mr Scott History teacher. I had history with ancient history and Canadian history troupe. He was a school teacher right and you would think wow history teacher and this is you know late seventies early eighties. This was before the Internet this before this is all we got all your encyclopedia's and he went to the library and if someone had taken that you know be are to You you know see a encyclopedia book out and you can do your research projects from Brazil but he spoke about history. He had everyone's attention because it seemed like he was there. He was there like in you know in passion dealer East some roller one or the Assyrians Babylonians ancient history like you were just glued because because it was storytelling passion that he had we knew this person loved history and it was his somewhat responsibility to at least show us that he loved it and if we could love a little bit of a two than it was a it was a bonus so that's the way I taught is that I had kids. Come up to me saying it. Almost you're saying thanks drying like the no one was confused about how much I loved mathematics or love my students and you you know I think the history in map and teaching about math history and teaching mathematics through storytelling that's a way to get some kids kids hooked in because it has a rich history where kids can see themselves as hey wow. I got stuck on a problem yeah. We'll person spent their entire life on and never solved so there's empathy there. There's equity to in terms of kids seeing other people who reflect themselves whether it be gender females or people from different cultures solicitations so I think storytelling history is such a central part of teaching in general and they're very important born think in mathematics sue neil what is math recess because you wrote a book and an and the subtext of assess playful learning in an age age of disruption even that part about the playful learning I would never have associated with my version of what height alert as far as what math was so so tell us more about math recess well the idea and I was just trying to explain when I was coming up here on the train 'cause someone asked what I did came up does an author and the title of the Book and he founded he was engineering a professor and he is going math recess and he is he's he's from the UK originally so I said well imagine recess an offer to use the word recess in the UK. Maybe playtime worse victims in North America recess. The Bell rings kids outside and for the most part recess is hugely enjoyable part of childhood. We're just completely free the and when the bell rings you don't WanNa go back so so true. What could math recess look like where you run to math and you you don't WanNa go back to your other studies so that was really an really? It's it's kind of a metaphor in a literal way. Sometimes you know when we had recess. We had freedom to pick our games well in math recess. You have freedom to pick them up bombs. You WanNa work on C. Come into class. You may want to work on this sort of puzzle or someone gave me and want to work on this not every day but once a weekend this free pick your own math breath problem and just work with it and there's no timeline for you to finish it. Is Your math plum to work on you with a partner in a group. You made up rules. ooh. You made up your own games the same thing here like you know in math. Sometimes you know you have to augment the the situation in terms of you know what works what doesn't work become you know. Can we try this so it's it has that same sort of sense of freedom and playfulness and you did you take risks and you fall down. He's skin your knee same thing with math. You fall down to get an answer wrong. You Get up. You can answer again. You're willing to do that because the environment it is so conducive to how children learn which is through play play on a subset of mathematics play his mathematics. There was a conversation the station I was just having with somebody about math. As far as our experiences at a lot of the experiences people have had maybe continue to have our that that math it comes in it just black or white right or wrong and there's in what you're describing is a lot of that playful the gray they the experimenting parenting with things and it's okay if things don't come out the exact right answer did a bit yeah. It's it's see right now. Most of the way we that we communicate math to students even tourists those teachers especially on social media we share the winning strategy or the best strategy or this is what it's here's the solution it's like it's like they were sharing the climax of a book what the rest of the story like for me..

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"alice keeler" Discussed on Ari Shaffir's Skeptic Tank

Ari Shaffir's Skeptic Tank

06:00 min | 1 year ago

"alice keeler" Discussed on Ari Shaffir's Skeptic Tank

"My holiday. It's a holiday. I discovered with the help of mushrooms. I'm just trying to spread the word by this holiday discovered. It ain't me making it. It just comes through me so no i'm. I'm never gonna try to ever see a dollar off. Shem fest plus the episode right this guy xavier xavier him. He is now in zimbabwe way. He's he had an amazing amazing time on a bicycle. I mean it's jealous. This is a travel podcast for sure but it's more of an adventure podcast. I mean i'm so jealous. The freedom of sky had next week. I will talk all about my fucking month off. <hes> <hes> and just come with us you guys we sat on my roof. We talked about this fucking epic bicycle journey that i i i can't even believe it so join you guys for a great pass gas about fucking great ride. I got the thank episode three sixty three on a steel horse. I ride with xavier hema from the home of not just some of the earth youtube. I'm channel <hes> go. Check them out starts now. Oh sorry sir before i go to the one everybody who's going to edinburgh scotland alan definitely go see steve renaissance. He's doing this show. Please forget about that nine eleven lie but everything that went with it all the fucking backlash l. y. Through saying it the first place all of it. That's the one shied wanna see four charlotte edinburgh also sean patton and dan soda and trager and he bought nick doc <hes>. They're all there too. I'm sure with lots of other funny. I hear shaw alice. Keeler male roommates had both their call donnelley's always really good vin taylor's always really good <hes>. I'm sure i'm leaving people out but definitely see renaissance four thirty at the caves just the tonic the caves and the big room but here's the last thing i want to say <hes> unrelated to this episode pill but asking me. What are you guys gonna do for sober october this year. What are you gonna do what the challenge and we were trying to figure it out you guys i made a video instagram <hes> on what is it monday or sunday sunday. Excuse me <hes> or saturday and it was just me saying the last. I wonder maybe after this. The second last one i believe should be a flashing challenge. We shall see how much we floss and i made a video stated my case. I'll make a i'll make another video sometime on this week and then maybe also just meltzer next week but we're trying to find. We're trying to find the real challenge and i believe i'm the floss. Boston will win that challenge. Maybe that's why they don't the guys don't want to want to do that <hes> anyway. Let's start the episode abrahama on steelers. I ride episode three sixty three starts naohiro aw i won't do. I want to ride my i want to buy i won't i won't too sided where i say why shouldn't never my scene style rush. Give me a drastic steiner superman look. I want to talk to the food. They start but yeah. I i'm in new york. Yeah that's cool. What do you think so far visit yeah up here first appearance daytime yeah. I feel like that's pretty cool. I'm definitely going to be coming back and probably not gonna end up staying more today back talk to ottawa. I don't know you'll see all. I feel it might do another car. Situations separation between ottawa and toronto people jump off for fun like two hundred water bridge so cool old looking and then everyone was like slim the reverend toronto take a pitch it is it's not it's like in between the two. It's like maybe right on the border of ontario. Forget what the name of the place was there once and we took me to do like the floats down the river there in the summertime joins up together after the blues fest one year off no it's about an hour outside towards toronto and it's like yeah it's off the highway bridges of madison county kind of style bridge and he just jump off into the river pretty fucking glorious if the water is high enough yeah. I think it's not raining available to try that. Yeah maybe montreal i forget what i new. York pretty excited.

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"alice keeler" Discussed on OnEducation

OnEducation

03:24 min | 1 year ago

"alice keeler" Discussed on OnEducation

"Now. Some of the stuff is pretty funny on the right <hes> but it is kind of like the super passive aggressive cata take on things and and kind of diminishing the what happens at conferences. I think diminishing the role of a twitter as a tool to be able to use. Is that kind of putting it down all. I don't know if you've heard this kind of talk. Where people say <hes> when twitter started like ten years ago edge twitter was awesome and now it's just just all these you know edgy personalities or whatever might be and i'm like. I don't think it's that at all. I think it's whoever you want to follow in whoever you connect the two. I don't think it's a total cult of personality. I'm not you know everything that's either. George says or alice keeler said whoever might be the biggest personalities out there. I i don't follow every single one of those words. I'm looking at all kinds of other people when they say something inspiring. They share something like oh. My god is so good. I wanna make sure that pass that along or whatever might be or connect to it. Whatever so yeah it's this big thing ad. I don't know do you kind of follow. Yeah i get it <hes> and i have mixed feelings about the jews celebrity liberty like the parody account yes <hes> they are funny that some of the tweets are hysterical. They are <hes> and some of them hit a little true who like there's there's some there is some strands of truth in and kind of it's a little bit flexed. It's a little bit you know off dot precise or whatever but there's some there's some legitimacy in some of it yes sure and i think it's worth acknowledging that <hes> <hes> i think that <hes> just to even go back. <hes> with a couple of your thoughts there are there are definitely some bad actors or at at least so i'm not gonna. I'm not gonna name names but there are you know there's been a couple of folks who who have been had to have been called out on on their behavior not necessarily on their opinions because in a lot of cases the the couple or four people who who i'm thinking of yeah i agree with a lot of what they're saying but when when you say it in a way that is just it's. I don't know what even word i wanna use but they're just being jerks about. It and there's way to do it where you don't have to be such a dick. I totally agree lack of really better words. Whatever it's true. There's a way to say it where you can say it. You know embi listen. I'm we're gonna get into second. Be <hes> passionate beyond a young disagreeable like disagree like be in someone's face about a strong opinion. If you like 'cause a lot of what some of these folks they're saying is one hundred percent true. Yes it's just the delivery has been crap and i i know that there's a couple apple that are getting that after being like pretty aggressively called out in the last week or so.

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"alice keeler" Discussed on OnEducation

OnEducation

04:18 min | 1 year ago

"alice keeler" Discussed on OnEducation

"They get forty. He did get forty seven points though in game three yet, but it's it. Yeah. I mean he's trying to make up for the loss of play not even playing so. Yeah. No. I mean they they definitely look they're going to win now. And astronaut had it looked that was one of the ugliest games I've ever seen. I mean I was holding this last game this game that would have been game four key. Up with the things. It's probably one of the ugliest games of basketball I've ever seen. Like I told you certainly the first half. Yeah. No, I mean, I, I, I just think that looks really really, really disorganized, not like the warriors of the past, where I saw a lot of ball boom into the lot of free flowing offense, and maybe that's because of the loss of Kevin Durant, and who knows what it actually is due to. But the raptors definitely look like they're, they're going to get that NBA championship for you guys, it probably will happen by this next episode that I mean, it's more likely gonna in the panning for the next up so you can be you and the Canadians dull celebrates and, and be pumped. Your first someone would that be your first the Blue Jays white didn't the blue? It wouldn't be our first professional sports championship. Yeah. Did obviously. The Maple Leafs to have one yet to NHA. Okay. Yep. Not in a while. But yeah, yeah. But I mean at one point or another, so the first NBA championship so. Yep. Yep. Big deal someone's someone's going to be a little bit richer. Yeah. He should have bet me more man. I if I were you. I thought it was a lock. Yeah. I thought it was a definitely a lock and I was wrong. So we I don't know what to think of this. But I'm just gonna take it for what it is, and be pretty damn happy about it this, this list, this Etac magazine top thirty influencers in K, twelve education, and listen. We're on it. We're on it, man. Have we arrived? I don't know. I don't know what to think of it either. But anytime we get any kind of a press at its unsolicited press, actually went back because I'm interested not only does this list have some. I've been really amazing people on it, Geno Hopkins. Allah's Alice Keeler are Blaine band. Michael Bonner is on this list. And you know what they really don't do it Justice. I don't really like the part where they put about Michael Bonder. They could have put a link to the Ellen video, what he's actually done for youth. What his messages? And instead, it's just like this little blurb. I got a bit of a raw deal on this put this together really just had to search for about two minutes and find a million things about Michael Bonner that are super inspiration to other people. Now are part is taken directly from our web page, you know, and also say they have gotten her name's right? Yeah. Like our, our. You know, whatever. Yeah. Yeah. No. I mean, it just seemed like it was thrown together, but I did go back and look at previous years. They wrote this in a different way. It was more like blog posts, that you should follow in previous year was the fifty most influential blog educational blogs, you should be following and I mean they had George curious on there and a whole bunch of other people that we know so they are picking who I would say are like for real legit people, you know. And so, yeah, I guess we out take the other. Yeah. I was talking, I was talking to someone in a Twitter diem this morning. And I just said, we're listen, we're gonna we're gonna take it. We're going to be happy about it. I don't know whether it's if it's fluff or if it means anything, but it was nice to be like you said, anytime you're recognized by anyone without, you know, we didn't even I didn't even know that this existed until someone someone shared it with me. Yes. Jen wobble from FETC got it from her. And she was like you're on this did she tell me or she just she just tweeted about it?.

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"alice keeler" Discussed on OnEducation

OnEducation

04:14 min | 1 year ago

"alice keeler" Discussed on OnEducation

"So six came out with a call it cloud play by I'm calling it like the six slow roll. Because basically what you're gonna do is you all gather in a staging area in sign up to play the game. And then you use to your your sieve that you're gonna use. And you you set up the game as if you're setting up a normal while player game. But the way it works now is instead of all playing together at the same time and just waiting for each other to do their turns you you do your turn. And then you can log off. Yeah. And then everyone else can do their turns when they're ready, and when it's your turn again, it will send you a message. Assigning you. Yep. Yeah. They'll send you an Email. It'll send you a message on steam. It's your turn. And you just log in and play your turn. And then log out again. So I mean games are going to take forever. But the problem with civilization. That games took forever anyways. And you never finished a game. Because I mean, so like the times when like Seve or you're or I are Paul Varzi would would play together, we wouldn't even get, you know, a hundred fifty turns in because it takes so long to play a multiplayer game usually twice twice as long as a normal game. So I think this is going to take forever to play. I think is going to be fun. It's alum I'm pretty excited about it. So we're going to start a game today. Hopefully and see how it goes in Canada is in civilization six for the first time candidate is a sieve in a sieve game as an official civilization of big deal Reid. It is a pretty big deal. And we're very peaceful as you would expect. You you can't declare wars Canada by surprise, okay? Candidate candidate cannot declare surprise wars against other people act to be they have to be justified wars. What else are famous our special building is a hockey rink. Oh, yeah. That makes sense appropriate and we can build farmlands on tundras all that ice at the top. And the bottom of the map now has become useful areas or anyone playing a candidate SUV. So, you know, fun time I'm a giant civilization nerd, and and this was really exciting. I'm excited to play Canada. And and I'm excited to destroy Paul diversion. Steve ISAACs lower the in a game civilization as the peaceful Canadians. You guys are gonna get dominated. He's already talking. Absolutely. The the the last gaming thing. I wanted to mention this. I mean, only just something I've noticed the last week the last maybe two weeks since BTC is so much buzz about east sports like everyone is talking about east for its in education. I I know that our friend who hasn't been on the podcasts yet, Dr Haskell is doing awesome stuff at Boise state as well. And there's so much going on with these sports and education. I just saw Alice Keeler posted on Facebook that she was at a conference in Alaska in someone was doing a session on east sports. And who is this? I wanna know has a want to get them also connected. And there's there's colleges and universities popping up everywhere with programs. This is I think this is the thing, man. I think we got this. Oh, yeah. It's gonna be it is already becoming the thing that it's just gonna. It's going to get huge in. It's just a matter of everybody kind of figuring out. What does it mean to be at the high school level, and then because the college levels are already happening now. And so there's examples of for example, Boise state university in a bunch of other universities that have already set the bar. I mean, they're even putting it on ESPN. So I made up talking about the university championships. So that have really big deal it just legitimising it. And then now pushing it back into the amateur world, they highschool colle- or high school sports galactic world there. And then figuring out. How does that all fit together, which is going to be awesome?.

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"alice keeler" Discussed on OnEducation

OnEducation

03:39 min | 1 year ago

"alice keeler" Discussed on OnEducation

"Code dot org in kind of a project based learning lesson planned unit. Planning type of of a website. And so there's these there's these activities of your students. Do they seemed really a wide variety of content areas in for wide variety of grades in. These seem really really in depth. You know, sometimes these sites had to prevent these lesson plans that are just so generic. Pearson would be a good example of that. I gotta take my shot at them. But this is super detailed very well done a stint, they list their standards, and then there's a component of coding that's associated with it with each one of the different activities. So it's a really interesting take on project based learning at slash working with coding, so. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I was says it's not a big surprise Google ended up acquiring them. They didn't say for how much it didn't say that. That's fine. I be interested in knowing that number, but. Raised three million dollars in funding. So I mean when I look at their their. Their partner list down at the bottom. I mean, make make ease. Oh, little bits micro bit. These are all big time company. Big names. Yes. Yep. Parrot is what that's the drone company. Right. Yes. I believe. So I mean, big partners. None of the people that I I work with are on their, unfortunately. But maybe that's I have the power to change things. Now. Hey, interest never know. So check into it. And see what you I'm looking at this now because I think it's super interesting looks like a neat platform, and it's free to teachers at wanna go look into it that workbench platform is for you signed up with Google account boob. You have access to all the lessons. So it's very interesting. Awesome. Big deal. I'm sure if three million dollars is all they ever raised. I can guarantee you the people who are getting out based on that or probably making a decent amount of Google's buying them. Because there's no. No doubt. It's selling for quite a bit more than that. I'm sure yes. This one's interesting. This topic of crowd funding, especially to make up shortfalls or or things that teachers need or or whatever. Obviously, we're going to see a lot more of this sort of thing in the future. We're kind of partnered up we're we've worked with a pledge sense before. Yes. The with the teachers are professionals in a couple of different ways, not only having Andy and and Alice Keeler on on the pod. But through my work with Steve ISAACs on the class craft assignment. So we've been involved with pledge sense a couple of different ways. But what did you think of this article? Well, I just I been it's amazing that people are such hustlers. Which doesn't surprise me. Actually that the educators are such hustlers. That's what I'd be by people. But it's sad in a way that that energy to hustle to be able to go ahead and get your projects crowd funded. Don't energy is not being directed. At kind of creative things within your classrooms. You know, what I mean or more energy towards things that you can have direct results with your students. Instead, it's like bringing in having the bring more money because our school budgets are so limited..

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"alice keeler" Discussed on Cults

Cults

08:13 min | 2 years ago

"alice keeler" Discussed on Cults

"Cold to all the emotional drivel. Jeffers parents enjoyed good standing at the community. Jeffries home life was far from perfect Vanessa's going to take over on the psychology here. And throughout the episode, please note, Vanessa is not a licensed psychologist or psychiatrist, but she has done a lot of research for the show. Thanks, Greg. Jeffrey described his mother Lois as cold and control. Trolling more worried about her appearance than her children's welfare. He claimed that quote, I always had to fight for affection. And my parents love was always conditional. It was always used as a reward and taken away as punishment. When I was inadequate lowest fits the standard profile of narcissistic parent seeing her children as an extension of herself rather than as Thomas creatures. She was highly concerned with how she was perceived. So she controlled her children's behavior to maintain a perfect public image. According to psychologist, Dr Eleanor Greenberg with the New York institute for gestalt therapy, children of narcissists frequently grew up to be narcissist themselves and though Jeffrey might not have done so consciously will later see him using the same techniques to control his followers that his mother used on him and Jeffries relationship with his father doesn't sound any more positive. No Jeffrey's father was a tough alpha male who liked to claim that. He had to earn everything he got and couldn't stand laziness and others. Jeffrey said, quote, no matter what I did. I never felt I was men enough for him. I always wanted and I love you. But what I got was male on male competition and quote, life at school didn't provide much of a reprieve for Jeffrey. He had a couple of friends, but was generally awkward around his peers and wasn't popular a classmate of his recall that quote, you felt sorry for him until you started talking to him, then he realized that he was air against no one really liked him and quote, nevertheless, Jeffrey set his mind to bulking up perhaps to impress his father and by his senior year, he was strong enough, let it enough to play shortstop for the baseball team after high school. Jeffrey attended central Missouri state university located in Warren's Burg Missouri. The school is secular but had a large number Mormon. Students says it's located just an hour from independence where Smith for told Christ would reappear. A two story house bordering. The campus had even been renovated by the LDS church and made into a student union. That's where Jeffrey met his future wife. Alice Keeler when she was still a senior in high school and visiting a friend on campus, she can remember exactly what he looked like the first time she saw him. She said, quote, he was dressed in a neatly pressed, white short sleeved shirt with tiny, thin, blue and yellow pinstripes. He was also wearing Brown penny loafers and no socks. Can you believe it? He wasn't wearing any socks and quote, despite Alice's shock over Jeffrey's fashion choices. She was immediately interested in him even when she later heard from another young woman that Jeffrey had taken her out on a date, only drunk and try to take advantage of her. Alice remained convinced that Geoffrey was the one for her Jeffries. Sexual aggression may be an early sign of his narcissistic personality. Narcissist believe normal rules don't apply to them and they're entitled. To take what they want. In this case, Jeffrey felt entitled to a woman's body the next year when l. started as a freshman at central Missouri. She ran into Jeffrey again in some ways. Jeffrey was still as awkward as he was in high school. And one of his friends had ask Allison out on a date for him. Now let's accepted and the two went on a day to a friend's picnic around a campfire on the night of the picnic, they discuss their lives telling each other about their pasts. Unlike Jeffrey Alice came from a poor family and had low self esteem, but still they hit it off sharing a background in the early church and perhaps a conviction that they were both special meant for something greater. Even though Alice had grown up poor, she was incredibly spoiled by her family. Her sister recalled about her quote. Alice always wanted to be the center of attention. She loved being in the spotlight and at church. She was on center stage and quote. Alice was a true believer in the teachings of the. LDS church. She even believed that she had an encounter as a teenager with the devil which left her momentarily paralyzed. It wasn't until she called out Christ's name that she was able to move. Again when she recounted her ordeal at church, her bout with the devil only made her more liked and respected. One of the churches elders even told Alice that God had given him a message about her future husband. He said, quote, you shall marry a companion whom I have prepared to bring forth my kingdom and he shall be great in the eyes of these people and shall do much good unto the children of men for I have prepared him to bring forth a marvelous work and wonder and quote, two hours. This message was an extension of Joseph Smith's eighteen thirty four prophecy. Her future husband would be the Moses like prophet that would help usher in the second coming of Christ. Her sister was more skeptical about Alice's claims saying, quote, I'm not certain Alice knows sometimes the difference. Between the truth and lies. Alice's always been able to convince yourself that whatever she wants to believe is the truth and nothing else matters. She was that way about religion and that way about her life and quote the night of Alison Jeffries. I state Jeffrey didn't show the propensity toward violence that Alice's friend had observed. Instead, he walked to her door and asked her if he could give her a kiss. Goodnight. She said, yes, later that night alone in her dorm room, Alice was convinced that not only was Jeffrey, the man she'd marry. He was also the profit that Joseph Smith had foretold. Jeffrey was Justice. Mitten with Alice says she was with him, perhaps obsessively so, but Alliston seem to mind even just the first week of dating. His romantic overtures were already mixed with controlling instructions. He would shower her with roses, an escort her to and from class. But he would also tell her when to sleep and what to wear behavior that might have made other women. And feel threatened only made Alice feel special once in a freshman chemistry class, Alison. Jeffrey spying on her through window just staring at her. Nevertheless, Alice said, quote, he's fascinating. He's handsome. He's at letting he's everything that I have ever thought the perfect man should be. And he is crazy about me and quote Ellis was right about Jeffrey feelings just one week after their first date. Jeffrey asked Alice to marry him telling her he was already in love with her. Jeffries obsession with Alice could be traced back to his insecure attachment to his parents. According to psychologist, Dr Lisa, Firestone director of research and education at the Glendon association. An insecure attachment occurs when a child doesn't feel safe with narcissistic parents because of their emotional abuse. As a result, the child can develop an anxious attachment with other people later in life with an anxious attachment. The person is trying to. Fulfil the connection he never had with his parents. Of course, the person will never truly find that fulfillment leading him to pursue it more obsessively and aggressively after their engagement, Jeffrey immediately pressured Alice into having sex with him. Even though in the RL DS church, you're not supposed to have sex until marriage. Alice wanted to please Jeffrey. So she agreed despite her feelings of shame, Alice felt that quote to him, it was a sign that I loved him, and I wanted him to love me and quote, but their marriage was by no means sure thing. Alice was only eighteen and Jeffrey was nineteen and Missouri in nineteen sixty nine. That meant that by law Jeffrey needed his parents permission, Jeffrey knew that his parents would like Alice due to her family's poverty and

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"alice keeler" Discussed on My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark

My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark

07:01 min | 2 years ago

"alice keeler" Discussed on My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark

"Dot com. Sasha m. them go by. Now that I am pilled up and ready to go. Okay. Are you guys ready. Fucked up story. I had never fucking her to this. Oh, it's bananas, the kirtland cult killings. Holy, shoots. I do not. All right, and God damn it. I love a Colt. I know you do. I know you do. This is the worst mass murderer in the history of Lake County. Mass murders really quick. I feel like we should have explained this before to the people who out here tonight against their will don't know about the people who work here. Partners of people who are like, I don't want you, but you did the thing with me. So I'll go to this with you. When you hear this cheering it is not cheering four death knows chairing for that. It's more of like, we've all been sitting alone with this information for so long, and now we get to do it together. All right. Is that help? So kirtland CoCo is okay. Let's talk about the cult leader. I fucking this dick Jeffrey Lundgren. He's born in in may of nineteen fifteen Independence, Missouri. He's the child of super, no-one cheer. Know Mormons here. Okay. He's the child of strict super religious parents. Their members of the reorganized church of Jesus Christ latter-day saints. It's a small off shoot of Mormonism. Okay. Unlike most religions, they're open to the idea of modern day profits, right? Okay. So according to sources, he Jeffrey was severely abused as a child, and he was a loner throughout high school. But as you grew into adulthood, he became a religious fanatic. He was excellent memorising verses in the bible and the church of Mormon book yet the book of Mormon. From the church. She wanted to know which he studied endlessly. So he's obsessed with religion. He goes to central central Missouri state university, and he spends, but you don't like the city. Okay. He, he hangs out a house for our LDS us any meets another student, their name Alice Keeler. She had been told by a church elder that she was destined to marry a great church leader. So when she finds Jeffrey longer in who's like, hey, what's up? I'm a modern day profit. Here's listening to me spout all the second bible. Should I memorize college stuff. You know what I mean? Yeah. I know the book from Mormon what's up. She's like, oh shit, it's him. This is Tim, so, but they start fooling around out of wedlock, Winston to do know unacceptable. Right? And so sh- Alice gets pregnant and then Jeffrey flunks out of college, whatever they get married, forgot that that's the college that we cheer for people who flunked out of it. Plunk oaks. It can work too. They they get married and by nineteen eighty four children. They're all still super religious. And by this time he starts telling Jefferson sewing wife that he had visions that he was at the crucifixion and that he was with Christ when he died and he and he can also see the future just really quick. Just a point out. People never have visions where like I was at the crucifixion, but I was way in the back and there's a tall guy in front of me talked really loud the whole time. I didn't get it or is that the crucifixion, but it was for one of the other guy was that those other criminals wasn't for the one. It was the upside down guys. It was not. There was nothing to write home about that never happens. Everybody's Cleopatra. And Alice was like, great, she believes him. She better. She has four kids, yeah. Okay. He then told her that God had told him that that they needed to move to kirtland Ohio. It must be nice. Gods like, hey, then it must be a nice place gods. Like there's this amazing four bedroom house really good square footage. Here's a great room. So that's where the first church of the Mormon faith was. And it's a mecca for Mormons. So they're like move there and like get more religious. If you can try it, give it a world. So in April nineteen Eighty-four, the longer family and moves from Missouri to kirtland and Jeffrey volunteers as a tour guide for the historic kirtland temple. And he also worked as a bible study teacher, but the church like like the main dude, what do they call them? Priest? I dunno, none in the LDS. I don't think they will. This main did not God. He's the one below gone. He's walking. He's elder elder. I knew it. I one of the chew. One of the church elders is like walking by bible study thing, and he and he hears Jeffrey be like forget everything that they just said at the church today. Listen to me every spouting all this negative shit about like hell and stuff, which I guess they're not stoked on. Well, yeah, you know, should children no to like older people. Okay. And so the elders are like, bro. You can't do that. And. So they also suspected him stealing twenty five to forty thousand dollars from temple temple store and so- temple bowling league. So they kick us out of the church, the temple store, they had like a souvenir store Shiva near. This, you know what I mean? Got it. Souvenirs like the book of Mormon or big superman. What about a foam finger? It's just like, hey, God. Pulling up. Yeah, yes. Okay. So this this one thousand nine hundred seven though he had already won over a small flock of his study group, a dozen people, flock and heat by claiming that he was a prophet following God's orders and promising that they would see the face of God if they followed his teachings. So they believed him. So they left the church with him, and he began to prophesized that Kirk kirtland would be the site of the second coming of Christ. Wow, kirtland Ohio. Went on. A picture, oh, picture of the second coming of God's face. Y'all ready for this. So this is the Lundgren family that's Alice and that's asshole over here.

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"alice keeler" Discussed on OnEducation

OnEducation

05:02 min | 2 years ago

"alice keeler" Discussed on OnEducation

"It just it just doesn't work but just that whole concept of being okay with that of being able to learn and being able to go ahead you don't like you just said get a new way of being able to introduce it the next time or the next day whatever you're working on and this panel sounds like it was amazing as far as how it the best part i thought was if you read this article by noah his they turned it around to the audience at let them actually go ahead and share with each other you know all of their things the things that they have experienced as far as with failure and how it ended up being in the big success one of the things that i thought was super interesting with this was that it was an all women panel as well yes and and you know there are different life ex obviously there are different experiences especially i think surrounded around failure and being a woman not being a woman myself i i have a hard time you know i can't relate but i want to try to understand that more for sure and the idea that that may be a failure is less accepted by women in at attack than it is by men you know the idea that men can be perceived as adventurous and risk taking women are perceived as incompetent or yes you know prone prone to mistakes and obviously that's ridiculous i mean you know you look at some of the amazing women we've spoken to even on this podcast in these are giants of of women and just you know completely incredibly special people and you know i i love the idea of continuing to break down some of those stereotypes as well big time totally agree with you very very very cool so i'm going to bring the twitter update this week this week on twitter i got into i got into a fight well sorry so i've raised hell on the on the last day of you know how i know i raised hell is because people are still i'm literally still getting like rinat re tweets but like comments on it and it's been like what a week and a half weeks he's been over but i was quoted by our friend alice keeler as you know i was i was we were sitting around we were just hanging out and i started to go on a rant about smart boards 'cause i as glenn you said i'm not known to go on rants at all ever so and i mean i'm not a fan of smart boards yeah it is what it is i think that they're misused in and certainly were were giant waste of money now that being said i think as in almost all you know rant filled quotes and debates and including even i guess when we started talking about you in teachers pay teachers and all this up there's more new wants to it than the actual like giant hot take quote that's her that i said it's it's always a of course i do the exact same day we think it's a black and white argument but there's there's always great there's so much gray it's so much different circumstances that different people are experiencing in their whatever their current environments especially we talk all the time about funding and the united states for as how how vastly different it is not only from state to state which is significant but even just school the school district depending upon where you live the way the way that teachers are paid in the way that funding takes place for this example as far as at tech type things purchases is so greatly different from district to district so their experiences are different so then this an item like a smart board could be a really hot button issue i would say yeah so i mean i have a couple of concessions and i guess the first thing i would say is that you know smart board the the boom of smart boards happened in an era in a time when there was no ipads yeah was there was light butts i think there was i pads actually i think people had some people had laptops so there was a won the won it very few schools though you know what i mean and.

"alice keeler" Discussed on OnEducation

OnEducation

03:33 min | 2 years ago

"alice keeler" Discussed on OnEducation

"Question and they're going to merge it all together we were tables and they're gonna merge it all together in turn it into like a big epic quest and then they're gonna put it on their their portal that they're developing for people to download these quests so the question of we made last night is going to be used they're like no pressure guys but sixty thousand people are going to be using this next year which was really gray's really funny so i was at a table with with mister isaacs and alice keeler and we were tasked with creating a quest and the goal was to to find a page that was missing it of this epic book and and so we we've developed a small online where we have to find the page and the long story short is that we kinda trolled the rest of the tables a little bit which was kind of you know it's par for the course for me anyways we developed our page to be the cipher for all the other pages so you can't you can't complete the quest without getting our page of the book so our section of the questions that has to be done so that was it was pretty fun there's like big names there steve isaacs alice keeler we were we were there in andy civilian from from teachers are professional table as well he should have a little late but he he joined in and mr isaac is wife public daughter sorry was there at our table and yeah there was like lots of people there it was you know almost one hundred people there so there is eight or nine tables such cool events here i mean just for to really get you get you out of all the different sessions that you can attend there's the floor which is the product flow which has like you had talked about before it's really hustling and bustling really active active based but then there's all of the events that happened in the evening which they do a really good job about having a ton of different things to go out into and most of the time it's free you have to sign up of course for different things and there's like food most of these open bars and stuff it's a little bit finding listen sean devon are rad people and class craft is awesome and so i mean these guys really knew how to throw a party and have some fun and so is a great time yeah so in bad news just talk about this for a brief moment yeah we're gonna link npr article basically that states there's a supreme court decision that just came through about teacher unions and basically maybe maybe just unions in general but the case was janice versus af sem e right which is i'm assuming a union and what they're basically saying is like for example in minnesota if you are a teacher in minnesota you can actually opt out of being in the union but we still take your money so by we i mean the union still goes in still you still get charged that amount and and we take that money because we're united state so what they are what the super premium court ruling states is that we that's not legal to do anymore someone ops out you see you don't you can't take that money so what happens is basically loses some power as far as.

"alice keeler" Discussed on OnEducation

OnEducation

03:47 min | 2 years ago

"alice keeler" Discussed on OnEducation

"To come and sit down with us you know take some time out of their busy schedules because they're presenting and they're also you know they have their their companies that they are part that they have to go ahead and and work there their things over there so they're super busy but they've taken some time and actually spent some time with us and and are willing to go ahead and come onto the podcast and be recorded and so again humbled and privileged and really really pumped about everything that's happened just in day one so there's there's lots of lots of things going on around but there's not a lot of sessions yet so we don't have a lot to talk about in regards to the sessions but but we do want you to be following pass the scope i think that's that's the big takeaway from you know if you're not here and you're just listening to us to get some information on where you can get even more information that's what you wanna be doing you wanna be joining and watching some of these periscopes when you have time and this idea that is the or someone is going to amalgamate all of these these video files and put them into a format and we'll get that to you as soon as we know where they are we're really excited about tomorrow were talking to who lego tomorrow we're talking to we'll schedule to tons of people tomorrow we're doing the the state of history tomorrow so it's a it's a media only thing where they're gonna talk just about where everyone's added in management and stuff like that we're working on talking to some folks at minecraft we're gonna try to talk to some folks at school aji and we are talking to detour well about this partnership that they're working on so were were tons of stuff going on tons of people to talk to so so keep listening cause because it's just it's it's really ramping up so yeah when we come back we're going to talk about the teachers are professionals movement with alice keeler and andy syrian friends on podcasts media is getting set to lodge not one but two new podcast this summer and we're excited to tell you about the first one on politics on politics is hosted by politicians professor at human rights lawyer craig scott on politics would take deep dives at the policy add politics you definitely come away learning something every week to stay up to date with on politics followed the show's twitter account at on politics pot so welcome back everyone we're here with andy siberian and alice keeler and we're super pump to have you guys here on the show at the talks specifically about something that we talk about the time it's this teachers are professionals movement so either alice or andy do you guys want to tell us about this movement and what teachers can do to be able to get involved in this absolutely thanks for having us so we all know that teachers pay out of pocket it's it's like almost a joke like everyone knows it but who's going to solve this problem and teachers are paying five hundred dollars out of pocket themselves a year so we know it's not a need it's a one teachers need money to spend however they weren't on their classroom every year and so but that's just pinzel of but now the we're going april is now we're pushing an an added burden on having to pay for ed tech supplies you know what i just i made a spreadsheet up and says okay if you were to buy things out of pocket for your classroom and so.

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"alice keeler" Discussed on OnEducation

OnEducation

04:32 min | 2 years ago

"alice keeler" Discussed on OnEducation

"That like right now all right welcome back so you know we're here day one of his see we've walked around talked to tons of people everyone's here all the all the cool people are here and i guess there's lots of cool people not here but the this is it's been rad there's tons of people heard some really awesome stuff so so let's get into it i guess i guess we can start at the start well first off actually so many people like the the registration lines were were huge and there was tons of crowds at the stores i think that they were saying i was talking to some people just on the floor this morning and they were saying is one of the biggest crowd they've ever seen for like a sunday morning yes it was insane yes it was like a monday crowd on sunday yeah you were saying this kind of like sunday's almost like kind of someone told me preconference the slow day there's not as many sessions either no so that was actually a problem as as we were as we were talking to people yeah so so the sessions were full all of the pre conference sessions ended up being jammed full and and they're definitely actually was not enough room for all the people that wanted to go to the sessions which i mean who knows how that happens it is what it is i think that maybe the the attendance at the pre conference was bigger than thought and they have met them right yes there's no other way to really explain it is there so unfortunately there is people that were just straight up turned away at the pre conference stuff because there's wasn't room to sit which you know kinda sucks i guess one thing that i have heard is that some of the folks that are going to be gathering up in some way shape or form the periscopes look at it everyone's been doing some because because a lot of these preconference things were periscope yes which is awesome and then they can take all of those and and put them into some sort of format so that people can watch them later so if you missed any of the pre conferences if you are you know hashtag not at itchy take a look how and when we see them when we find them we'll we'll we'll share them out too so that no one no one misses anything because it's unfortunate that people weren't able to get input i mean guess it is what it is actually was a guy that i was talking to his awesome he's on twitter his name is cloud sofala and cloudy audio is actually is part of this movement past the scope yeah yeah yeah yeah and so pass the scope to you basically they all carry around these kind of high tech by phones yeah these jacked up by phone camera things and they're just going around and basically recording trying to get the experience of what it is like to be here both in sessions in the halls and even the media room and especially you know like things that people are very interested in especially sessions that were you know basically booked that there was no room in them to be able to get the people into them and all you do is i think they've posted almost all of them were all of them on hashtag past the scope edu but they also are are making sure that they put them on the not at eighteen which is the hashtag you should be following if you're not here just follow it i mean actually have seen just the flow of information on the nash stagnates the eighteen is as much information as the eighteen one so that means that people are posting their experiences documents videos in this case about what's happening there too so that's a good conversation yes on twitter twitter's been crazy yes twitter's blowing up so i mean there's tons of people here as we just had way more than i think we thought there was going to be on a sunday and tons of energy and the conference hasn't even started yet i mean to do some name dropping i mean we talked like so many people already today yes it's been a blast we've been able to hang out with with our buddy steve isaacs yes we hung out with alice keeler who you're going to hear from in a in a few minutes as we hung out with you know a bunch of other pd's dead yet i mean really the coolest bars that people are willing.

"alice keeler" Discussed on OnEducation

OnEducation

02:56 min | 2 years ago

"alice keeler" Discussed on OnEducation

"We have an amazing pod for you today we're going to recap day one of itchy we had a chat about the key notes that we heard today cover anything we saw him love and it cap off the pie chatting with andy siberian and alice keeler about the teachers are professionals movement to mexico play today they did not but all we care about remember is them winning so when did they play next to you even though yes i do actually i don't know if the seating has taken place yet so what they end up doing they ended up seeing all the teams now into a tournament so they were in groups right right and they're pull two teams from each group and they see them into a tournaments so all we want everybody is mexico not to play brazil or anyone else that's a tough team they probably don't like each other very much no it's not that it's that brazil's really good you don't want to get eliminated in the first round you know you don't even get to go there so because yeah favorite to win my brazil is real yeah no no mexico's not favored at all no we're we're a long shot brazil's really top teams england is awesome belgium is awesome iceland is awesome iceland is ninety i'm gonna make it they lost to nigeria yes and i saw you mark that england one six to one we'll go england england they're one of the favorites i believe but we have teams i i would say brazil and germany are still teams that i would say are just top teams in the world but if mexico can make it to just the final will you cry if they went cry actually if they win the next round i might cry sub so you only now on cheering for i'll admit it hard to keep up with how busy we've been yes this has been actually a crazy day today but really really an awesome experience to be really humbling experience to be around just tons of awesome educators and people who are making a big difference i mean i thought today was going to be the slow day yes it was supposed to be the schedule was empty actually this morning and now it is full so we have interviews that we're not even going to be able to put in this podcast or the our show that we're going to end up having the in the weeks down the road it was such an awesome day so let's get into it when we come back we will recap day one at fifty on education is brought to you by audible mike what are you been reading lately i suppose you're you're kind of like me where you have a few books that you have on your list i've too many books on my list i have probably about forty audio books.