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Dueling Bills To Reopen Government Are Both Defeated; Let Them Eat Wall; Art of The Cave; Real-Life Impacts Of Shutdown; Senate Intelligence Committee Subpoenas Ex-Trump Attorney Michael Cohen; Lawyer Says He'll Comply; "Three Identical Strangers"

Anderson Cooper 360

47:34 min | 2 years ago

Dueling Bills To Reopen Government Are Both Defeated; Let Them Eat Wall; Art of The Cave; Real-Life Impacts Of Shutdown; Senate Intelligence Committee Subpoenas Ex-Trump Attorney Michael Cohen; Lawyer Says He'll Comply; "Three Identical Strangers"

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They're doing they many of those people that are not getting paid are totally in favor of what we're doing totally in favor of what we're doing. So say if the president he spoke to reporters after a pair bills to reopen the government failed in the Senate and other Republican measure got fewer votes than the democratic one. He talked about that. And also about his decision to do what house speaker Nancy Pelosi wanted him to do which is postponed. The state of the union message. We begin though as we did last night and has will keep on doing by bringing you the state of the union as seen by our fellow Americans will bring you that. And the let them eat wall message. They're getting from the president and members of his administration message one from the commerce secretary. You're nobody. Put it in for spectacle. You're talking about eight hundred thousand workers in well, I feel sorry for the individuals that have hardship cases eight hundred thousand workers if they never got their pay which is not the case, they will eventually get it. But if they never got it if talking about a third of a percent on her GDP, so it's not like it's a gigantic number overall. Not like, it's a gigantic number overall. This message came to you from commerce secretary Wilbur Ross who'd made a custom pair of velvet slippers with the seal of the Commerce Department on them. I'm not kidding. It actually happened. I don't even think Mr. burns on the Simpsons wear slippers like that. So that's the message from Wilbur Ross who's worth an estimated seven hundred million dollars to him eight hundred thousand unpaid public servants are essentially a rounding error keeping him on his perhaps the secretaries to tell that to Atlanta TSA officer Ali Morgan field. Reporter Chris James got to know him recently and spoke within the day. He went to apply for food stamps. Work at hartsfield-jackson airport been there for sixteen years with TSA. I liked the job. And I like what I'm doing? But. I'm worried about being paid and word about if I can get through this feeling bad. Visit the first time you're going to get food stamps yet. You technically still have a job. Yes. That is. The funny part. Oh, I'm just hopefully, I can get. You know, you gotta laugh about it. Because it's funny. You never see yourself doing this. What's your biggest fear right now part? Would I be here? What being Paris Mugniyah bit me? This ain't goes longer. Seventeen to three weeks. We've goes into the fourth. Will he be embarrassed? He wonders when they evict me, this is a man who still going to work every day. Would you could you with the bills coming in? I mean, it's all the bit. Puzzling to secretary Ross who wonders why people earning zero dollars or having such a tough time of it. Mister secretary of their reports that there are some federal workers who are going to homeless shelters to get food. Well, a no they are an I don't really quite understand why. Because as I mentioned before the the obligations that they would undertake say of borrowing from the Bank or credit union are in effect. Federally guaranteed. So the thirty days of pay that some people will be out. There's no real reason why they shouldn't be able to get a loan against it. That's the commerce secretary just to make it clear, you're working, I'm not paying you. And there's no telling when I will. So you should go to a Bank or credit union and persuade them to lend you money, and then you should pay interest on that money. Unless of course, you're a contractor, and you're not going to get paid back for lost time owned, by the way secretary Ross's department. They have a credit union, which is offering emergency loans up to five thousand dollars at the undis-. Counted rate of nearly nine percent later clarified. How much he cares by telling Bloomberg news. And I quote, we're aware painfully aware that there are hardships inflicted on the individual workers. Now, according to the TSA salary for screeners can range from twenty three to thirty five thousand dollars, which means that seven hundred million dollars net worth Wilbur Ross has enough money to live on screeners top salary for about twenty thousand years. What if government workers can't get alone? Loan already living on the edge. As many are what happens when the bills come due. Well, President Trump had an answer for that today. Does your presidency Wilbur Ross said that he didn't understand what pedaled workers need help getting food? You can you understand the habit? I haven't heard the statement. But I do understand perhaps you should have said it differently. Local people know who they are where they go for groceries and everything else. And I think what will always probably trying to say is that they will work along, I know banks of working along if you have mortgages, the Borghese the mortgage the folks collecting the interest and all of those things they work alone. And that's what happens in dime like this. They know the people they've been dealing with them for years, and they work along the grocery store, and I think that's probably what Wilbur Ross. Wilbur Ross was watching the Andy Griffith show and Barney fife didn't have work, and he went to the grocery store and everybody knows Barney five, and they all know him the local banks, of course, they gave him a mortgage. They give him alone. They gave them free grocery stores. That's what happens it's kind of like a friendly landlord. The president has talked about on other occasions. Always ready to give you more time to pay. Just like he always did when he was a landlord perhaps you should tell that to Ali Morgan field who still going to work is still not getting paid and still forced to worry as he keeps us all safe. How it might feel when he gets a victim more now and all of this and what the president is doing about it or not doing about. It was seen as Caitlyn Collins who joins us now from the White House. So you've got some new reporting on the likelihood of the president declaring a national emergency. What what is the latest? Yeah. Anderson CNN has SC. Lucidly attained this document that shows the White House has prepared a draft for the president to declare a national emergency to build his border wall into funded. If congress doesn't give him the funding now White House officials say that this is still. An option for them. But right now, it's not their top option. But clearly Anderson the fact that this draft exists and has been edited as recently in recent days shows that White House officials still think it's a real possibility that the president could bypass congress and use this national emergency to build his border wall. And the president alluded to that today when reporters were in the room when him with him when he was asked like about Wilbur Ross's comments. He also said that it this doesn't work out with Democrats that he will pursue other options to build his border wall. The president never. Here's negative comments that his own people are making that are widely covered. But he seems to hear just about everything else. That's going on in the universe on television. Do the president. And his advisors seem concerned that six Republicans supported the Democrats plans today and the Senate and did they think they're new pro rated down payment proposal is actually viable well right now. And there is it's at least a plan, which is some progress where they've been in recent days. Now, they've come up with this idea to have the government opened for three weeks. And then have a pro rated down payment for the president's border wall. Which if you're doing the math from that five point seven billion that they've asked for it come out to roughly three hundred and thirty million dollars that they're asking for for three weeks of opening the government. Now, Democrats have said that's a nonstarter and the White House seems to still think that they can get them to come over to their side. But that's an open question. The other question Anderson is the White House hasn't said how much of a down payment it is that math that three hundred and thirty. Is that we've done the White House hasn't hasn't actually laid out any kind of a specific number even though we've asked a slew of issues here at the White House. They still have not shed any more light on that. So we're still looking for some clarity on that. But in there is at least there's some progress in some talks happening compared to know progress. A few days has a I've talked to know several politics to politicians day. None of whom could really explain to me. What a pro rated down payment actually means coming from this president does anyone in the White House. Exactly know, specifically what that means. The only things that they've really laid it out where those two statements to from Sarah Sanders, one that said they wanted to down payment in exchange for opening the government for three weeks. And then she said later on she wanted eight they wanted a large down payment, then we heard from the president. But it was really interesting Anderson. If you listened to the president because he didn't say, this is my suggested suggestion he said people are suggesting this is an idea he didn't say that it's something he's behind. And of course, the White House has been the wild card in this entire. Month-long shutdown because Republican lawmakers even say, they don't know exactly what it is that the president would sign so that's what they're looking for more clarity on that. But right now, the White House seems to think down payment on the down payment for the wall is their best bet. So is one of his Goto lines, which is people are talking about it. That's like a new off shoot of it. People are suggesting a pro rated down payment. I, you know, it's all you hear about when you're on the subway. These days people are talking about this. Anyway, Kaitlan Collins. Thank you very much shortly before airtime spoke with a main independence center and gets king who caucuses with Democrats and voted today for the democratic shutdown Bill. Senator kingston. She voted earlier today. The president has said he's open to a quote pro rated down payment on a border wall. He says he'll reopen the government three weeks if Democrats agree to that or you entirely clear on what that actually means. Would you support it? Well, I I am unclear on what it actually means. But but the concept is that he still trying to bargain about opening the government and part of the whole purpose of what we were talking about today is let's get the government open take a deep breath consider his proposal in a rational reasonable process way. And come to some conclusion that I think we're going to be able to work something out that that he can support, but he's putting on this extra condition, which is basically saying, you know, he's doling out, you know, of time and we're talking about people's lives here Anderson. That's that's what's been missing somewhat. I mean, these are real people's lives. We've got coast guard people in Maine who are going to food banks. I mean, more senators voted today in favour of the Democrats plan, which didn't have all funding that for the president's plan. Neither plan got the sixty votes needed to end debate. But do you believe unity among Senate Republicans is is in any way starting to fracture majority leader McConnell is under more pressure. Well, yeah, I yeah. I wouldn't put it that way. I would just say that everybody in the Senate wants this thing solved and one of the indications of that is that after the two amendments failed Ben Cardin of Maryland put in an amendment that just a simple three week continuing resolution, and we all stood up. And and and talked about a commitment. They were I think fifteen of us spoke on the floor. I was one of them. That said, look, I'm I'm for border security, and I'm willing to work in good faith on a on a solution as I left the floor. I s Ben carton in. He had I think he had five Republican cosponsors at that time. And I think there are more to come. Everybody wants to get to a solution here. And I just wish the president would put a little faith in the process and. You know, he came in with a budget last January Anderson for one point six billion dollars for border security, and he got it. It was went through the appropriations committee. It was approved. It was in the Bill that went through the the the the Senate the Senate appropriations committee on the house appropriations committee. And so I guess what I'm saying is that's evidence that we can act in good faith, and we can do something serious about border security will be five point seven or two point eight or six point. I, you know, I'm not going to negotiate here on on television. But I think there's room to reach a reasonable accommodation. But it was clear. I mean, he backed off that after getting criticism essentially from right wing radio and television that it wasn't following through on his promise to build a wall. Why would he give up leverage of you know, or alleged leverage of the actual shutdown? If he doesn't feel well get some sort of remember, we're not talking about full funding of the government till September. Which is what we ought to be doing. But we're talking about three weeks, and we're basically saying lay the hammer aside, and let us work on it for three weeks in good faith. And let's see what we can come up with. In the meantime, let's let these good people get paid go back to work do what they ought to do. And if it doesn't work out, you know, he's still got that that that tool, which I think is inappropriate, by the way, it's a terrible way to govern. But he's not really giving up that much. He's just giving congress a chance to try to digest. What it is. He's asking for reporting that the White House is preparing a draft national emergency declaration for the president to sign in order to use military funding to build the wall. Would that at this point be the easiest way to actually end the shutdown would almost surely end up in court, but wouldn't it get the open the government reopened right away? Well, it probably would it's good news and bad news. Good news is that it would almost certainly end the shutdown. It's bad news in that. This isn't the way. Our our system is designed the constitution says. Is money spent is appropriated by congress, and that's one of our fundamental functions and to establish a precedent that the president can basically decree a national emergency. And then do whatever he or she wants in terms of policy that they can't get through. The congress is is is a terrible precedent and to me, it's a gross violation of of constitutional principle. So they may be looking in that direction. And as I say in in the short term, you'd say oh good the shutdowns over and that, and that's that's a good thing for sure. But if that's the solution. Boy, is it a dangerous way. It's it. This is exactly what the framers were worried about they didn't want a monarch, they wanted a constitutional democracy, and they wanted to president and checks and balances, and they purposely put the power the person, the congress, and that's the way it ought to be Senator king. I appreciate your time. Thank you, sir. Let's get more perspective. Now joining us as former Utah Republican congresswoman me loved, you know, CNN political commentator, very happy. About that also CNN cheap political commentator, Gloria borger who were always happy about women. What does it say to you that six Republicans crossed over support of the Democrats plan of the Senate today, which doesn't include the wall, and it actually got more votes than the president's plan. Well Anderson let's lay our cards out on the table. This is what this is about. I believe that this is about the twenty twenty presidential election. You've got a president that wants to keep the promises that he made on the campaign trail, you've got speaker of the house. This is what anybody to win and the people that are caught in the crosshairs are eight hundred thousand people that did not to to get into this fight. They're going to work. They didn't get fired. They didn't choose to leave. They're going to work, and they're not getting paid. And both sides are allowing perfect to be the enemy of a really good win. This is exactly what's going on right now. So I don't see any resolution until people are able to put their pride aside. And do what they're supposed to do. Members of congress have to do their job. They're the ones walking away from their job gore. Does does a pro rated downpayment on the wall Sand Lake seven that's gonna come within one hundred miles of a deal in Washington now. No, no, I don't even know what it is Anderson. Can you figure it out? Nobody I've talked to it's an and Senator after Senator. Can't figure out what it sounds like some kind of real estate deal, but it certainly isn't any way to to reopen government. And you know, I understand what the congresswoman is saying about both sides playing politics. But I have to remind everyone that the Senate voted on legislation that would have reopened the government. The president was ready to do it. He told everyone he told the world, you know, I'll take responsibility for this after he decided to back off because conservative talk radio told him he was doing the wrong thing. So I think that that you can't Kwait one with another at this point. I understand that Nancy Pelosi also has political interests here. The base of each party is very firm what they on what they wanna do. But honestly, this thing all started. When the president backed off a deal that was already cut and voted on in the United States. Senate comes women love. I mean, isn't that the case there was a deal? And then the president, you know, the radio. Right. Because he wanted to make sure he keeps the promises that he made on the campaign trail, it wasn't working too. Well for him. Now. I don't believe that he should be listening to people like Ann Coulter. That says, hey, don't take any immigration deal because you know, you're never going to be able to please people like Ann Coulter. I mean, there's a purity test that that is just she's got her own. But I think that what could actually happen here is speaker Pelosi can say fine. I'm going to give you your five point seven. We're going to discuss where it's appropriate to put a barrier versus smart walls versus technology. But I want you to give me everything I need on immigration were for everyone would get what they want and people would not be caught in the crosshairs. They wouldn't get everything. I mean, they would get some things they don't want. But people be able to get what they want and people can go back to work. This is grandstanding. And I and I believe it's on both sides score is that we're a deal laws now. Well, I think first of all that Nancy Pelosi is not going to accept a penny for a wall because Democrats. I think it's ridiculous that you don't need a wall that you need some smart technology, and they've already volunteered for border security to say, you know, we're all for border security, and we'll we'll give you the five point seven billion dollars. But but for other things if they could find a way to get to that deal. Then maybe then maybe there would be one. There are pre existing walls, the soda speaker slats or whatever you wanna call them. And I think that the problem is that this notion of a wall has become so front and center for the president because it was during the campaign Mexico's not paying for it. Now, the American taxpayers going to pay for it that he can't figure out a way off of it. And maybe what they need to do. And if they cut a deal on dreamers, by the way, his party, the conservatives in his party would be quite upset about it because they don't wanna give dreamers permanent status in any way, shape or form. Warm. So it's very difficult to see how he gets beyond his base and how Nancy Pelosi gets beyond her base. And right now, the pain is really great. And the administration doesn't seem to be able to to give voice to the pain of those furloughed workers, which is a problem comes woman. I if if don't Trump was able to get if the president was able to get there's obviously existing fencing. However, you want to call it and able to get a few more miles of the same kind of fencing that see-through that's made out of steel would that be enough for him to say, well, I got some of the wall. I mean, he's already claiming he's building new wall, which he's not he's just fixing up a wall. Couldn't you just lie about as he often does and just say, well, I've got ten more miles in new wall. And we got all this other stuff and border security. Or we think they both have put their heads in the sand and said no wall, and then the other side said I need five point seven billion for wall. And I don't know if he's going to back off of that five point seven billion or be able to back off of it too much. I think that a lot of his supporters. I mean, his approval rating is really low. I don't know how much lower can actually get and what he's what he stands to lose the people who actually support him. So I think that that's going to be an issue for him. And I don't see him. I'm being I look I'm just being completely Frank and open here. It's eat backs away from that that's going to be a major problem. And I think also if that's what that's where the standstill is I that's where it would love a tabby Gloria borger as well. Coming up next President Trump's big showdown with with Nancy Pelosi over the state of the union. It ends unexpectedly in surrender. We'll talk with a pair of Trump biographers about what's behind the art of the cave and later, we'll tell you about the congressional testimony that Michael Cohen is not backing out. And what he might say when the questioning begins. Remember to create an ad like this one visit pure winning dot com slash CNN. Well, if there's anything the President Trump, absolutely positively always wants to make clear, it's this. He never backs down until he does when we left things yesterday. He had just dared. House speaker Nancy Pelosi to disinvite him from giving the state of the union address until the shutdown is over he dared her. She did it and we were all wondering what would he do next? What do you speak from the Oval Office? Try to crash the capitol hold a rally outside instead. Then late last night. He just seemed to give in today. Here's what he said about it. I would have done it in a different location. But I think that would be very disrespectful to the state of the union to pick some other place. I could have done it. I could have gone to a big auditorium and gotten twenty five thousand people in one day, and you've been there many times. But I think that would be very disrespectful to the state of the union. So what she said I thought it was actually reasonable. We'll have the state of the union when the shutdown is over to us now on how this tracks with the Donald Trump, they'd come to know joining us as Trump biographer, Michael dantonio, his most recent book is the shadow president the truth about Mike Pence and wanting to Blair teaches at Columbia University's graduate school of journalism. She's the author of the Trump's three generations of builders and to president Michael does this move by the president's surprise you. Because I mean, it does seem sort of un-trumpian, but he's spending it in the way you spending it. It really did. Catch me by surprise. I think much of Washington must have been surprised because it is not like the president to issue such a obvious retreat a call of retreat, and it was worded in a way that really suggested that someone else must have written it because it was very loyal to the truth. He laid out the facts of what had happened and they actually aligned with what we all experienced rather than some fantasy in his head. So it is surprising. I'm surprised to that. He didn't declare victory in some way. And I think it reflects the fact that he may respect speaker Pelosi more than anyone else on earth right now. Maybe with the exception of Ladimir Putin go into I mean, how do you see this even the prisoners tweet last night sort of seemed unlike him? Yes. No, he managed to find a way to frame it. So he said, it wouldn't be respectful. So he could hang on respect that he was being respectful. So he could fake kind of figured a way to to say that that he's not backing down tail is not between those legs he's being respectful, and he's got a kiss. She's the one person she's the adult in the room. Now. She's that adult we've been looking for all along. What do you think? It is is what do you think it is about Nancy Pelosi that I don't know if he respects or these challenged by or whatever it is. She says no is N O. And she doesn't let him get the the conversation onto his turf. Which is what he always does. He creates chaos he makes it into his turf everybody else's defensive and trying to catch up. He's comfortable in chaos and conflict. Most people aren't she won't go there. She staying on her own turf. And she's not playing his game. She's not playing that sort of macho game that he plays with most of the men that he has to deal with she's not doing it. He challenges their masculinity. What's he going to challenge with her? Michael, do you agree with that? I do agree with what Glenda is saying. And I sometimes can imagine Nancy Pelosi in a house full of kids, and that's chaos if there ever is chaos at so she's someone who can keep her head about her. And and knows how to impose order on a chaotic situation. I also think that there is this element of respect that when to mention not only for the state of the union, but for the speaker herself, she is competent in a way that Trump is. And she has actually led a very broad organization with disparate interests in ways that the president never had to when he tried with Trump era line or the plaza hotel or the casinos he failed. So she knows how to herd cats. He doesn't I think she knows how to stay calm. He does it. So she really does have his number Gwenda. It's also I mean. She has a lot of experience in Washington and knows how the place works, which he really doesn't. And it's not clear that there's a lot of great people around him who played the game as well. As Nancy Pelosi does. No, there were all these other all these other so-called adults all the a lot of military that he appointed that we're going to, you know, Raynham in show him where the, you know, the show him the rules and keeping on on the rails. They all felt like ten pins. She hasn't. So think Michael made a really good point. She's she's got all those kids and all those grandchildren. She's had to herd cats on the capital in the capital for decades. She knows how to do it. And I think he respects that. I think he was also I think there's I've been thinking about this maybe an echo of his dad. His dad was very competent to and his dad really did it. His dad didn't have his own dad. Bailing him out. Donald had Fred bailing him out. But Nancy, I think there's maybe like an echo of that essentially going to Blair appreciate you being with us Michael dantonio as well, we've just gotten late word on the shutdown. The president's notion of a pro rated down payment on a border wall. Just. A spokesman for Senate minority leader Chuck Schumer said and I'm quoting now Senator Schumer and Senate Democrats have made clear to leader McConnell and rent Republicans that they will not support funding for the wall pro rated or otherwise of next the president's former fixer canceled an appearance before congress before he reports the prison because he says threats by the president. Now, Michael Cohen has been subpoenaed by one committee with possibility of more on the way, I'll talk to congressman Eric swallow about the testimony next. The right sheets can take your sleep and your style to the next level with Boll and branch. The upgrade has never been more affordable. Every set is crafted from one hundred percents organic cotton. They get softer and softer over time. That's why they have thousands of five star reviews and even three US presidents have Boll and branch sheets. Try them for thirty nights. And if you don't love them, send them back for a full refund. Go to bollandbranch dot com today for fifty dollars off your first set of sheets, plus free shipping with promo code CNN to spelled B O L L, andbranch dot com. That's Boll and branch dot com. Promo code CNN too. The president's former lawyer may have no choice, but to appear before congress after all today. Michael Cohen was subpoenaed to testify before the Senate intelligence committee sometime next month before he reports to prison in early March cone postponed to schedule voluntary parents before the house oversight committee next month citing threats to his family from the president Rudy Giuliani. Cohen's lawyer confirmed the subpoena was issued and says Cohen intends to comply with it just before air. I spoke with congressman Eric swallow is a democratic California and a member of the house intelligence engine, Sherry committees. Congressman swallow will Adam Schiff who's the chairman of your committee said today, he's also prepared to subpoena. Michael Cohen now, if he does in the house oversight committee does as well that would be three committees Cohen would be legally required to testify in front of some might see that as excessive is it. Well, Michael Cohen, testified to the house intelligence committee and lied. That's why he's in part going to jail. So I think we have reason to have him give us a come clean account of what really happened now other committees have other jurisdictions, but we want to get a full account of just exactly what he was protecting for the president. Why he lied and then what did candidate Trump no about a Russian efforts to build a Trump Tower? It worked with the Trump organization to build a Trump Tower in Moscow and also Russia's efforts to help the Trump campaign during the two thousand sixteen election Cohen and his people have obviously raised security concerns. I mean, it's not really the job of congress to provide security. But is there any way your committee can address Coen's concerns for his family safety or even for his safety from any kind of retaliation? I think this is something that we should this is an extraordinary circumstance. So we should of course, consider it as a former prosecutor, I can tell you that it's very likely that the molar team is also working to protect him because they may need his testimony. But if I could address Michael Cohen, I I would tell him is someone who's talked to witnesses who have broken away from gangs before one you have to protect yourself as well. So you have to be smart about that. You know in two you've already done the hard part. You've come forward you've broken away. You've given your account don't allow a paper tiger to bully you. And also, the the message that you send to other witnesses with your courage can be very helpful in an investigation. Davis. Coen's adviser call today for President Trump to to be censured by congress for witness tampering. G you consider what the president has said about Cohen to be witness tampering. And would you support a central vote? I think he is intending to keep Michael Cohen from coming in at this point. I think because we are waiting for the Muller report. We're doing our own investigations with respect to obstruction of Justice. And and collusion. I don't think we need to every time. There's breaking news, you know, have a censure vote. But I think there is going to be a day of reckoning for this president and what he has done with the Russians and obstructing the rule of law in this country. I want to ask you about Giuliani as well where there have been certainly a lot of shifting stories about a lot of different things from Giuliani this week. He told the Washington Post about that. He said there is a strategy. The strategy will become a parent. There have been these objections in the past. It's become obvious somewhat thereafter, you have to be patient. Does that make sense to you? Do you believe there's a strategy? Here. Actually, I believe what they are trying to do is to just kind of throw anything against the wall and see what sticks and create confusion because they're also fighting a political battle in addition to legal battles. But you know, you have to step back and ask you why would the president not want Michael Cohen to testify? Why would Rudy Giuliani wanna create confusion to me? It's because they want to protect the underlying questions, which is did the president have knowledge of what the Russians were doing was he seeking business deals while he was running for president. And did he obstruct and try and shut down lawful. Investigations innocent people don't act the way that the president and his lawyer are acting, and I think that's that can't be missed here. Just finally your community. The house intelligence committee has announced its planning an investigation into your Bank. Would you hope to be able to glean from that? Because obviously the Deutsche Bank is, you know, it's been a lot of people have been circling around for a long time. We want to find out if the president is financially compromised by the Russians through lending. Lending from Deutsche Bank and money laundering at the Russians may have engaged in. We have reason to look Anderson right now, we we know from statements from Donald Trump junior. Eric Trump that they've said that the Trump organization had Russian money flowing into it. We know that in two thousand seventeen Deutsche Bank was fined over three hundred million dollars for ten billion dollar Russian money laundering scheme. So you'd link those together, and you have reason to look I don't think we can draw any conclusions yet, but we weren't able to look in the last two years, and we don't know of Muller's looking. So there is a responsibility that we answer that question congressman swallow L. Thanks very much. My pleasure. Thank you. Joining me now is former Obama acting solicitor general Neal cat, y'all Neil. So I'll ask you what I asked congressman as well. Well, do you believe what the president has said about Cohen constitutes witness Stanford? It. Sure looks that way. I mean, the president. I think has repeatedly said go after Michael Cohen's in father-in-law and stuff like that. And that may be fine for an ordinary person to do. And that's what his lawyers say, well, ordinary criminal defendants say these kinds of things, but the president's own legal strategy is he's different than everyone else. He's that. She prosecutors. So he can't be indicted, and the biller nominee to attorney general says, you know, the president has to be specifically named in a statue criminal statute to apply. So there were whole view is the president. Is unlike everyone else, and he is for this purpose because he's the chief prosecutor, and he's now saying that witness whose against me go after his father in law that is both criminal Anderson. But it's also, you know, we as lawyers like talk with the law, but it's far more than that. It's conduct unbecoming the president of the United States. I mean as privileged to serve in the Obama administration. I think if you ask anyone who served in the George W Bush administration, they say the same thing. In the president came in the room, you stood up a little taller you made. Sure when he wasn't in the room. You didn't do anything wrong. You didn't know Lloyd no-one lawyered up in the Obama administration like that here. Everyone in the White House appears to have one two or five lawyers or maybe three lawyers and Giuliani or something like that. And that is really I think demonstrated of the real problem here. So there's a criminal problem. But there's also a kind of conduct problem is it legitimate in your opinion to force cone to testify if he says he's afraid for his safety or the safety of his family. Well, ultimately, the American people need to have the truth here. I mean, Michael Cohen knows stuff. He said he wants to come forward and testify in one way or another that testimony has to happen. Now, it doesn't necessarily have to happen immediately. And I think the president should be on warning that his tactics. Here are really the tactics not of innocent people, but of mob bosses, that's what three member three different committee chairs in the house of representatives had said in a letter they said it was quote textbook mob tactics. And then the president afterwards did the same thing. Anderson. He went after Michael Collins father in law again after being warned about this. So I do think there's a real real problem in a need for the truth. Okay. Oh, it's great to have you as always appreciate him coming up more on the real state of the union of eight hundred thousand federal employees who aren't getting paid. We'll introduce you to parents who depend on that federal paycheck who tonight are concerned their electricity could be shut off their daughter needs. A breathing tube to live details ahead. Hey, it's Howard Beck. And I've got G league. President schrief Abdur Rahim Bleacher report forty eight teams are excited about doing teams want to engage with players. They wanna be a part of we've heard this on the NBA teams won a have earlier touch points. Be a part of the development process of young eating players earlier. So this is an opportunity for that. So check out the full forty eight now on the Bleacher report app, apple podcasts and Spotify. The president claimed again today without evidence that many of the federal workers who will miss another paycheck tomorrow or quote, totally in favor of what he's doing. In fact, a recent CBS news poll found that most Americans. Seventy one percent think a wall is not worth this government shutdown. And when it comes to the hundreds of thousands of federal workers who are affected the stories of hardship just keep on coming for some families. It's potentially a matter of life and death, including a couple of Randy case. But with in Kentucky, here's Randi's report. This is fifteen month old Harper. She was born prematurely and needs a breathing tube. Harper was in a Kentucky hospital for more than three hundred days and just came home in August her. Mom, alley McKinney quit her job as a social worker to care for her daughter. We have to make sure that there's is on her twenty four seven because she if she were to take her breathing tube out. She has no way to breathe, so she would instantly turn blue, and she, you know, could potentially die. They thought they could rely on her dad Chris Rach Vard's salary as a data processing assistant for the IRS. Then came the shutdown now Chris's working without pay. So what does it feel like for you to go to work and not get a paycheck? Stinks stinks. Yes. When would you run out of money? Do you think? I another month or so without money to pay bills. Their electric could be turned off that electric powers, Harper's, ventilator and other life-saving equipment. You voted for Donald Trump? And now you have the shutdown. How do you feel about that boat? Now. Now at this point. I I regret for Trump. Do you blame the president? Yes. I never sent one hundred percent percent. Do you think that the president can relate to people like you in the struggle that you're dealing with now? No, I don't think he's ever been in an situation like this. I don't think he's ever had to worry about where you're coming from or have to worry about you know, how you're going to pay a Bill, and I think it shows I really do good. Yo Medicaid pays for much of Harper's care. But her parents still need to shell out hundreds of dollars a month for items that aren't covered you said you would like to actually meet with the president. Oh, I would love to I would love to him. Mitch mcconnell. Anybody can come and sit on my couch. What would you tell President Trump if he sat on your couch? I I would make him meet Harper. And I would tell him, you know, this this isn't about a border. It's about your people. And I know you want to keep your people safe, but by restricting payments of the money that they're rightfully. Earning. Let's not keeping people safe. What would you want to say to the president? If you did get a meeting with him. Purse back to work. So we can get paid. Chris hasn't been paid since December thirty first from experts on the twenty eighth and I guarantee I'm going to be getting it that may be true. And if that continues alley and Chris know, they need a plan b to keep Harper healthy and safe to try and bring in some extra money Alleyen. Chris have actually sold off some of their personal belongings. They've sold some baby toys some furniture and even part of their baseball card collection. What they really need is gas money. That's because Harper has so many doctors appointments and some of them Anderson are thirty and forty miles away. And that fuel really does add up, but on top of worrying about gas money and Harper. They're also worried about getting a victim because they may not have the rent money. Chris said, he can't believe it because he does have a job he is a federal worker, but because he isn't bringing home a paycheck. They could lose their apartment and become homeless Anderson ruin decay. I'm glad you told her story. Thank you want to check in with Chris Cuomo. See what he was working for Cuomo prompt, Tom the? Top of the hour. You you see store like that Chris? And then you hear where the commerce secretary Wilbur Ross said, and you know, that they should just get loans. It's kind of unbelievable. How disconnected he appears disconnect. That would make marie-antoinette blush. Right. I mean, they just don't get it. So the pain is real we know that is the resolve. Now, we have Susan Collins on the show tonight. We all know her the Republican from Maine pretty straight shooter. She's making the case that she believes there's a reason to think we're coming to the end why we're going to test her on that. And then there's another indication that the president is now starting to get the message. He's putting out his defenders Anderson. You're going to see Sarah Sanders on TV talking about. This Kellyanne Conway, arguably his most ardent advocate is coming out tonight to make the case to the American people to our audience, the president cares. And that the wall is necessary to keep them safe. Can she make that case we'll see on the show, and we'll test it vigorously? All right. Chris definitely be watching that that's in about nine minutes or hey, have you seen this movie? Three identical strangers. No, I saw I saw the promo. It's Sunday night at nine it's on CNN. It's really awesome. I've seen it. Of course. I'll let you go because I got a prep, but it's fascinating story about three guys who accidentally discover that they are identical triplets and were separated at birth. Their reunion, basically, brought them international fame, but it also unlocked a really extraordinarily incredibly disturbing secret, which is the focus of this movie. Three identical strangers that Chris we're talking about airs on CNN this week. And I'll talk to two of the brothers next. Steven universe. Cast members sat Gallison who voices. Stephen Michaela Dietz, the voice of amethyst and DD Magna hall who voices Pearl. Join me McKenzie would talk diamond days on the Steven universe podcast. Can you do because I love oh gosh. I need a line. Tell me what to pass a beauty this Cutie house of beauty. This is cute. New ringtone? What listening subscribe to the Steven universe podcast for free apple podcasts? Spotify. Wherever you listen to podcasts. Well this Sunday night on CNN. I hope you won't miss a movie called three identical strangers. It's a really astonishing story of three triplets who were separated at birth when they were nineteen they discovered each other. They were reunited totally by coincidence. Their story made headlines around the world and later they discovered a dark secret which was behind their separation out. I want to give away too much of the story. It's a film definitely worth watching earlier. I spoke with two of the triplets. David Kelman, and Robert Shafran. This film is is really incredible. I saw it in a hotel room had no idea about it. And I don't want to say too much about it. Because I don't want to there's a lot of twists and turns. And I want the audience to see it for themselves. Just big picture, David you and your brothers were separated at birth. You win was that you discovered you had brothers. I went to school and everybody kept calling me anything. What are you doing back here? And this went a whole day of school everybody. And so finally after all these people this one guy named Michael who's a great guy. Who's in the film? Found out about this guy knew Eddie well enough to know his birthday, and then he was dotted. So he found me he asked me. My birthday asked me. What was adopted told me he thought I had a twin? We'd call that. He and. Weeds Eddie United very rational conversation that we're going to get together in about a week. And since we hung up that evaporated and Michael got the car and drove their one hundred miles per hour. It hit the campus papers and hit the local papers. And all of a sudden, it was everywhere, and I was in queens college. And somebody showed me the the picturing might have been post what it was and the pictures little greenie, and I just it just it was too surreal. I didn't believe it stupid lead and believe it was almost like me hear your own voice recorder. It doesn't sound like you. And then I ran into another friend who I've known him for years old who's in the film, and he was shaking, and he's this is you this is real and the gravity just it sunk in. So I I got home. My mother had another newspaper without a picture. But she had the all the information terms of the option agency the hospital birthday. And she knew it was real. And I got on the phone call them formation body headed unlisted number. I got any s- number colds highs Eddie there and his mother who's this. Saves apparently, she's probably inundated with press at that point. So she wasn't really friendly and warm and fuzzy, and I explained to her that I'm looking newspaper, and I don't think they're twins. I think I'm the third. I guess what was the most meaningful part of making this film. Why did he want to take part in this when we first got together? And you know, David would agree with this that we were just we were overjoyed for meeting and thinking adult rational, people would say, aren't you angry? Our parents were angry as a group and individually that this had been done we were just overjoyed that we had gotten gender and a lot of things have gone by even the last thirty nine years, you know, and I think that we got to a point in time where it was an appropriate time to tell the story and. We grew up. We got married we had children, you have entirely different perspective. And light you do when you're nineteen. Right. We just wanted to have fun, and it was a parent's job to be angry. Parents job Montel. Thank you so much really issue goes hours. Yeah. It's really blown away by the phone. Thank you. Thank you. It is it really really fascinating movies. Call three identical strangers premiers on CNN nine pm eastern. This Sunday night news continues wanna handed over Chris Cuomo primetime. Chris. 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"Tired of spending hundreds of dollars prescription glasses. Xeni offers thousands of affordable eyewear styles starting at just six ninety five visits any today at Zanny dot com slash CNN. Hi, everyone. Poppy, Harlow gear in this week's episode of boss, files, charity, water, founder and CEO. Scott Harrison, how he went from nightclub promoter to seal philanthropist founding the nonprofit charity water sense brought clean water nearly ten million people poor communities around the world. His story is remarkable vowing to turn his life one hundred and eighty degrees. Check it out on my boss fouls podcast today. Good evening for the first time in more than a month the first time in to pay periods. Eight hundred thousand men and women who serve this country every day. We'll be able to go to bed knowing they'll soon have money coming in again. So for all you'll be hearing tonight about how bruising day this was politically for President Trump. It's at least a better day now for people like TSA officer Ali Morgan field, who's working without pay and was worrying he might soon. Face addiction is better a better day for Mallory Laura guy who works for the fish and Wildlife Service and for time was rationing her insulin. It's a better day for air, traffic, controllers and coast guard officers and everyone else we've had the privilege of getting to know during the longest government shutdown ever their lives. Got better today when the man behind that shutdown who once said he'd own it. Then later said he did end who said without evidence. Again, again that the people he was hurting supported him. Finally, did right by those people today he backed down and in hindsight, maybe we should've seen it coming all along because throughout the past few weeks, the president's language about the wall. All to put it nicely evolved. From wall to whatever you wanna call it from concrete to something else to Mexico's gonna pay too. I need you the American taxpayers to pick up the check listen to how he described the wall today. We do not need two thousand miles of concrete wall from CDs shiny sea. We never did. We never proposed that we never wanted that. Because we have barriers at the border where natural structures are as good as anything that we can build. Our proposed structures will be in predetermined high risk locations that have been specifically identified by the border patrol to stop illicit flows of people and drugs can almost hear it now and who's going to pay for those proposed structures in predetermined hybris locations, specifically identified by border patrol Mexico is all right. I get it. The president doesn't like losing. He's trying to redefine victory. So he doesn't appear to but it sure doesn't sound like what he's been pitching for years now. We are going to build a great water wall. We will build a great great wall. We're going to build a wall. Don't worry. Brahm is we will build the wall. It's not going to be a little wall. It's going to be a big beautiful wall gonna be very tall very strong. Very powerful was going to be such a beautiful warm. It's going to be so big it's going to be so powerful. It's going to be as beautiful as a world can be. I've gotta make it beautiful because maybe someday they'll name the wall, the drug Paul who the hell and who's gonna pay for the wall. On that last part, the spin from the White House. These days is that Mexico will pay for it indirectly through increase revenue, which importers not Mexico will pay for me still unratified trade deal. All right, anyway, what about that concrete part? I mean who would ever say they wanted to make a wall out of that? A wall. I Bill Billy's that had ninety four stories tall. And that's tough stuff. You know? This is this is so easy. I mean, think of it, you know, some of you are in the construction business think of garages, you know, the concrete plank that goes sixty seventy eighty nine hundred feet right concrete plank for garage floors. It's pre-cast you put a foundation you put a rut you put it up you make it beautiful. Sounds like a plan except it turned out. It wasn't. It's going to be made of hardened concrete at it's going to be made out of rebar and steel. It's not a fence. It's a wall. You could call it a steel fence this wall or fence or anything the Democrats need to call it. They all fence, whatever they'd like to call it. I'll call it whatever they will. But it's all the same thing. Well, let's just call it. A Michigan a wall offense steel concrete, Mexico will pay Mexico won't as the shutdown dragged on the questions grew about whether any of this really matter to the president beyond just prevailing, which would have been nice to know for lawmakers for the public who've been going without vital government services. And for all the people facing hardship and bankruptcy and fiction and worse. The president is just weighed in tonight on what he did what he did today. And we're there's could go from here. Jim Costa's at the White House. He joins us now with that and more. So understand the president tweeted out a new statement. What is he saying? Now, that's where Anderson his supporters. They got a cave a wall. But the president is trying to twist it around and presented to the public as. Not a concession. And as a matter of fact, he did just put that sentiment in a tweet just a short while ago. It says in this tweet in the last half hour, I wish people would read or listen to my words on the border wall. This was a no way concession. It was taking care of millions of people who are getting badly hurt by the shutdown with the understanding that in twenty one days if no deal is done. It's off to the races that last part about being off to the races. That is essentially restating what he said earlier today. Anderson is that we could be right back where we were the last thirty five days with yet another government shutdown or is the president was saying earlier today that he might declare a national emergency to go ahead and get the process started unilaterally of no matter how you slice it Anderson. This is obviously concession or retreat us or render and a k for this president. And I don't take it for me talk to a top Trump adviser that I talked to earlier this evening who said that this was a quote humiliating loss for somebody who rarely loses. And this adviser punctuated that remark by saying, I miss winning Anders. How did we get her because just a few days ago? The person was still demanding five point seven billion dollars for the wall before reopening the government. I think what happened here Anderson, and you were saying this in the last few days is you had some Republican senators Republicans over in the house starting to peel away from this president you're seeing calls coming in from Republican leaders up on Capitol Hill, like Mitch McConnell, telling the president, listen, this is not going in your direction, but Anderson, I believe the video that we saw this morning. Those images coming out of LaGuardia Airport the northeast corridor where air traffic control was really just starting to come to a halt. You were starting to see some of these the sick outs. These folks not coming into work to work in the air, traffic, control towers, and the delays that were the result of that. And that was starting to put pressure on this White House. We understand from talking to a variety of officials and sources and that really put pressure on the president to go ahead and end and all of this. So clearly the is trying to cast this essentially as a victory on his part. What do we know what how is it visors what people in the White House? How they're doing it tonight with the mood Anderson. It was strange. I was out in the rose garden with president. When he made the statement earlier today, and it was just bizarre surreal to see top White House officials in the vice-president on down applauding the president. As he was making the statement today as if he had won, something Anderson. This was as far from winning as as you could possibly get. This was losing. And yet the the president was getting support from his own team. I suppose that that is a sign of loyalty from your staffers. There was a conference call later on in the evening between top White House officials here and surrogates for the White House. They were trying to present this as not a cave, but Anderson, I talked this advisory. I talked to earlier this evening who advises the president said this was a humiliating loss of the president and questioned whether or not the president would whether it's a good idea for them to continue to pursue policies. Advocated like some top White House officials here have been advocating like Stephen Miller. This adviser. To me that perhaps today was not a cave, but a grave for Stephen Miller is hard line immigration policies, and Jim Acosta, thanks very much wanted to deeper now CNN political analyst New York Times White House correspondent Maggie Haberman. Maggie. What's your sense of what went on here? I mean, the president got the same amount of wall funding he could have gotten a month ago zero. Why did he make this move? Thank they were a bunch of issues going on. But the the broad one is that the president made a statement several weeks ago that he would own a shutdown. Democrats took him up on that and went with it. And saw no reason to make a concession on something that their base and the democratic house caucus members don't wanna give into which is this border while the president had talked about for so long and at that amount of money. He made a tactical mistake and he had own edge. Shutdowns are not good for anyone. The Democrats were certainly feeling pain. Ansi Pelosi was getting some blame it seems in polls too. But the president was getting more. And when you look at what was happening his poll numbers. We're going down. Remember what close attention? That's president pays to. Polls. You had that warning from the FAA about airlines and airport security and planes being able to take off and fly and then this morning. Finally, you had a ground stop at LaGuardia, which is the airport in the president's hometown all of this caught his eye as did pressure from Republicans who were starting to break while the Republican coalition was showing some cracks Democrats were actually holding pretty strong, which surprised mung other people Democrats who often fight among each other. But they were able to to stand together and not give an inch. And ultimately, the president who likes to test limits had to give in to where reality was the shutdown was not going to help him going forward. It was becoming worse and worse for actual voters. Actual people as you said at the top. And so he is now kicking the can down another couple of weeks. And I think we'll try to work on some other proposals up until then he is left open the possibility of the national emergency declaration, and we'll see he gave a long speech in the rose garden, which was kind of position. Like victory lap describing everything. He didn't get as though he had gotten it. Well, that's that's classic Donald Trump. Right. I mean, we have seen him over and over in the course of the last four years as a politician, and certainly he did it before that as a as a businessman and entertainment figure he will look at it point to a a loss and say, no, actually, I won and you lost. And you're just not understanding this he repeatedly diverged from the teleprompter at that rose garden speech today. He added all kinds of things into it that sort of comported with this vision, and there's view of the border crisis that he has been painting for many weeks. Now, he this. He did not look comfortable. This did not look like a speech that he wanted to give and it was sort of taking medicine and moving on mega stay with us. Because I also want to bring in USA today columnist cures powers also former Republican presidential candidate and Senator Rick Santorum cures it, and whether you think the president made the right call here or not the fact is eight hundred thousand workers will soon be getting paychecks again. Right. Well, I do think he made the right call and the one thing that worries me. Me is that the coverage that he's getting the you know, he rolled over. He got rolled. He got played all this kind of stuff is going to, you know, only aggravate him and make him more likely to not want to make another deal. And look he had to defy his base in this. This is what he actually originally tried to do if you remember he had had decided that he was going to, you know, forego getting the money for the wall, and then Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh freaked out on him, and and he caved, and ultimately, I think everything Maggie said is is of course, dead on. He saw the polls. He saw he wasn't winning this. He saw the Democrats reunited that they weren't going to give in and he didn't really have a choice. But in the end, I think it was the right thing to do. And I, you know, I don't think he should be sort of shamed. For doing it. I don't think there's any shame in making a deal sorta center was the right thing to do politically. Was it a mistake? You know, look, I think kicking the can down the road for three weeks. It was probably a. A reasonable course. It showed the president was willing to compromise. He's willing to concede to the other other teams wishes in order to try to get a deal. But to pick up on on Cousteau's point. I think is really important. I mean, I I've been watching the news all week. I mean all day long, and they'd beating up on the pro he caved this. This is from media who says that the president is is just recalcitrant he won't compromise. He won't. And when he does you beat him up for Katie. This is just you can't you you sort of can't have it both ways. You can't beat the guy up when he actually says. Okay. I'll have it your way. Nancy will do exactly what you want. We'll sit down with you. We'll negotiate he cave. He craved he cratered. He's a wimp. And then and then say on the other hand, well, the president doesn't ever compromise. You can't have it both ways. Meg I wonder. I mean, do you think the media is is attacking him a unfairly, and is this a cave, or is it a compromise? I don't think that it's a I don't think this is a compromise. I think it's delaying, you know, a possible deal, and it's trying to work toward a possible compromise. I don't think this is a compromise. I think this is just getting the government back open. But I do think the Senator has a point. And I think the Kirstin has a point that this is, and this is something I hear from the White House a lot is they feel like they can't they feel like they can't win. They feel like he, you know, he he stands his ground, and he gets attacked that. If he does if he you know goes ahead and reopens the government then he gets attacked for that. And they and look I think that he complicates his position when he then goes out and gives a speech explaining all of the reasons why to your point he really one and this was victory, and he turned it into something moving away from the workers and all about his campaign promises. But I do think that there is a at its core. A fair point that they are sort of damned if they do and damned if they don't they did get themselves into this. But that's and the president certainly got himself into this with what he said, but it is true that the government has now reopened and that was the goal. All that a lot of people had been working toward. And and that has now happened, and I. It's not just the left though. I mean, I think you have an idea calling him. Right wing radio. Look he's getting he's getting it from both sides. But it from my mind with the presence on is given an opportunity for the old fashioned politics to work, which is to sit down and make a deal. That's what the Democrats said. They would do. I would make the argument. The now, the the the the balls Nancy Pelosi's court, she said, she would make a deal if the government were open, and we would take care of these people who were who were suffering under the shutdown now, she has the opportunity should that. She can make a deal that she can come together. She can buck her base. And actually find a compromise. I think I think it's pretty clear Donald Trump is willing to do that. But the question is whether Nancy Pelosi can cure your good. Oh, I was going to say also it's not that unusual for politicians say they're winning when they're not winning. It's not that unusual for, you know, for people not to get everything that they want and then to go out and try to spend it in the best light as possible. So I actually don't even really fault them for that. I mean, I think that that really, you know, the Democrats wanted to go she ate now moving forward. I think the wall. Off the table, and he's going to have to deal with that. But they should you know, when you're negotiating you should try to find a way to help the other person's day face. Frankly, you know, even if you don't like him, you if you wanna have a deal the goal is not to humiliate Donald Trump because Donald Trump, look or anybody, frankly is not going to really react. Well to that nor is there base going to react well to it. So I think that you know, hopefully in getting a deal that they can find a way to get to. Yes. In a way that makes both parties. Look good sort of think the wall is off the table. I'm not sure it's off the table. There may be elements of a wall or barrier physical bear to cure some for. And this is really important, you know, back back in the in ancient times when I was in the in the congress, we actually when you sat down you actually listened to what the other side have to say. And you're right. You tried to give them at least if you were going to strike a deal something they could walk out and look at their people and say, hey, we got something. And if the idea from Nancy Pelosi and her side is we're not going to give him any. Thing that gives them any quarter. Then we're going to be back shut down or we're going to have an emergency declaration. Neither of which is a good thing. I don't understand how the Democrats could say look there's not going to be any kind of new barriers the you know in the past. They've already agree. I mean, there's already fencing. So if you accept the notion that some fencing is okay in some key areas. I would assume they would have to be open to some sort of fencing somewhere even just a little bit. Yeah. Well, I the thing to remember the Democratic Party has shifted a lot. And I actually think it's a good thing. I think that that they didn't use to be very good on immigration issues, and they've shifted and they've listened to the base more laid the listen to Latino groups more. And so I think that their positions are different. I mean, people are changing and people are seeing things differently. So even if they did it in the past. I'm not sure that it matters. But if you're gonna go she ate, I think I do think the walls on starter. I also think it should be a non-starter. And even though I think this. That this crisis is agenda crisis. If the compromise to get Dhaka, for example, something that's very important is to give them some fencing or something along the border, then yes, those are the kind of deals that I think that the Democrats should be considering you just you can't get everything that you want. I just think the wall is just it's just a bridge too far. And it's something that he also said Mexico was going to pay for. So why is he asking congress to pay for here's from powers rips into our make everything you very much up next the arrest of longtime Trump associate Roger stone would Robert Muller has on him. The mystery the mysterious passages in his indictment what it could suggest about the president's possible legal exposure Vinnie later perspective from two men who cross paths with Roger stone in the last major scandal. They'll play a part in Watergate Carl Bernstein John dean, join us head. Remember to create an ad like this one visit pure winning dot com slash CNN. So how many times have we said this on any other day? This would be the lead of the broadcast. And yes on any other day. This would. That from CNN crew had been staking out. Roger stone's house FBI agents this morning at the home of Roger stone longtime Trump associated he was arrested today on a variety of charges, including witness tampering instruction of an official proceeding and making false statements now the charges tie into his role in the two thousand sixteen campaign, WikiLeaks hacked, emails damaging to Democrats. The indictment speaks to all of it. And it suggests that someone at the highest levels privacy, even the candidate himself were involved or more than one person. However, it does so without naming names. Mr. stone denies all the charges against them. It's important to point out on a walk through it now, and perhaps decode the mystery was seen industry Mon procure has so explain what exactly Roger stone is charged with right? So you Anderson, you know, simply put he's charged with lying trying to cover up his dealings with WikiLeaks. When he was asked by congressional investigators about whether what role he had what role members of the campaign may have had was he communicating with anyone. In the campaign about whether or not he had knowledge of what we leaks had any knowledge beforehand that they were going to be releasing any emails, but it's what's in this indictment. That's more important. Certainly more startling is that they're accusing him of being the link the government here the Muller teams accusing Roger stone of being the link between the campaign and Julian Assange and how he was the go around guy. He was talking to intermediaries who giving him information about what Julian Assange had. And then that he was communicating with senior campaign officials about that information Anderson was the president mentioned anywhere in this indictment. Now, he's not mentioned. But like you said there is a couple of lines surly one particular line. That is particularly interesting that makes has been making a lot of us wonder whether or not it refers to the president in the way, it's worded that this line. And let me go ahead and read that to you. And and what they say here the government government is that a senior. Trump campaign official was directed to contact stone about any additional WikiLeaks releases and what other damaging information WikiLeaks had regarding the Clinton campaign. Now, what's interesting? There is how they say that the senior Trump campaign official was directed to contact stone. So the question is who perhaps could be more senior in a campaign than Donald Trump at the time. It does not say anything else about the president here. But certainly that line has many of us wondering whether or not they are referring to the president here. There's two other questions. One win. Did Roger stone decide to do the Richard Nixon double fisted victories on I have a feeling it was a while ago? But I would love to know his thought process on that. It's right and Shimon. What are we learning? I mean, the Roger stone and his attorney they've been very critical of how the FBI raided him essentially saying there was no point in doing that. He didn't need a swat team, you need people, you know, knocking on the door, whatever six AM in the mornings, right? The could've just called. Attorney. Why did they do that? Yeah. Look, I think Roger stone from everything we know in the conversations that our reporters here I've had with him. He was hoping that the FBI would call him and tell them to surrender, and it could be because of the that what he wanted to do kind of put on a show with his surrender give reporters a heads up. They had been called, and he was going to show up at the FBI and kind of put on a show as he did today outside of court, but the FBI had other plans here, they say in court documents that they were worried that he was going to flee that he was gonna have they give him a heads up that he was gonna take off the other big concern. They say was that if they had given him a heads up that they were going to come and arrest them, and they wanted him to surrender that he was going to destroy evidence. Look, I think when you look at this video the way in which the FBI proceeded here, it's almost like they were going in to arrest. A violent gang member of some kind. You don't normally see these kinds of apprehensions in these kinds of cases. But I do think also the FBI wanted to send him a message. I think he's been pretty harsh on the FBI here on the Muller team. For obvious reasons. And I think they just did not want to give them a heads up. And they went ahead. And did what they did this Moore this morning at six AM. All right. Sam Shimon pro Cuba's. Thanks very much with you now Sam Nunn bergh's, both former Trump campaign aide and a one time protege Roger stone also CNN chief legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin who wrote that great stone profile in the New Yorker, some years back should look it up. It is. So some does does the indictment comport with what you know, Roger stone to have done. Well, it does in terms of the fact that rot the indictment does not say that Roger directly had contact with Russians which is what Roger has routinely said. But it also says to me between the lines being there. Obviously, remember, I'm fired on a Sunday Roger quits that Friday. I look at this is tragic for my part because I feel as if he wanted to ingratiate himself in stay relevant within a type of campaign, and that he was doing things that were not in his best interest. And they weren't because they made him a target this long. Shimon pointed out the from the diamond senior in from campaign official was directed to contact stone about future WikiLeaks postings, given that you works in the campaign who would be in a position to direct a senior Trump campaign official to talk to stone. Look, it's very, that's I read all these nights. I've been through eight hours voluntary I've been through six hours of the grand jury, and I've followed this, and I started falling special counsels Muller is very particular. It could it could be for all we know the president. I don't short answer Galveston. I don't know. But there is a point that they made their that. It's quite clear not to say, it was a senior Trump campaign. Official right. Yeah. I mean, it's it's not an accident. They use this. Absolutely not. And and, you know, the the use of the passive voice there is so is so relevant. And I don't I don't know who else who else it could be. And isn't isn't that? I mean, you've been around Donald Trump a lot Sam. I mean, isn't that the kind of thing he would say is that like go, go S? Roger what's going on? Look, I have no knowledge of Donald Trump asking Roger I can't I understand. I don't want to accuse the president. But you know, what I'm saying is is that if you gave me multiple choice, he would be one of the people. I think that could be there. But I I the Jeffrey I don't know it's a pretty small campaign there weren't a huge number of senior campaign officials and then to have somebody. I mean, what other will the also the dynamics of the campaign to were such that at that. Point even in July. Well, maybe so Trump didn't necessarily want Corey Lewandowski hope Hicks, and that he was talking to Roger or he was all. But look, I don't know. I don't know who it is. The issue is who else I mean, who who else were the who were the senior campaign official the senior campaign officials. I would assume are Manafort or gates at that time there there. If you go down, Maggie Haberman is already reported you have it Steve Bannon. Right. It's clearly, you know, and Steve will say that look this was something I did. Because Roger had asked me to contact me had complained. I think that that's the arguments. But with that said, what what I think you can talk better than this than me. Maybe is the narrative that's building out here right now. Because now we have close to the campaign. We haven't got to the transition yet. And they're a lot of questions about that. I mean, how big a deal is this Sanders said his another to do with the president. I mean, this is an enormous deal. This this is someone who is an indispensable figure in Donald Trump's political career going back to the eighties was trying to get him to run for president someone who he has had a very hot and cold relationship with sometimes they've been angry each other. Sometimes they've been very close, but they've been in contact over the years and also it's important to establish that there was a relationship between Wiki leaks, and the Trump campaign now, it is important to point out as as Sam Sam said there is no even suggested proof in the campaign that the the Russians were in touch with Roger or even that Wiki leaks was in touch with Roger. Although Roger boasts about that. Most of what the indictment concerns is Roger going to intermediaries Randy credit. Oh, a radio talk show host here. Jerome Corsi who is. A conservative writer. These are the people he was in touch with who he thought was in touch with with WikiLeaks. And that's what he lies about allegedly in the end. I do think Roger STAN would would flip on the on the president Ron who else in your campaign officials? I don't I this point. Does. He would I don't. But I do think though is it depends how he is treated in the public sphere by Rudy Vijay by the White House. I think that if they want to throw him if they want to treat him the way they treated, Michael, right? Then maybe enough is enough. I don't think that he I think he has a very strong affinity and respect for Donald Trump and a loyalty to him, but people can only take so much especially after this. So that'll be interesting on one thing to walk for us. All to watch is how the White House how everybody deals with him. Yes, why we're Giuliani? Sam great to have you. Thank you been as well. Appreciate it up next more on. Roger stone's indictment would dig deeper into the mystery surrounding the diamond has claimed it will never testify against the president. We'll also hear what he has to say about today's FBI raid. The right sheets can take your sleep and your style to the next level with bollandbranch, the upgrade has never been more affordable. Every set is crafted from one hundred percents organic cotton. They get softer and softer over time. 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Now senior legal analyst and former US attorney prepere are and back with us, Maggie Haberman and Jeffrey Toobin free. How solid do you think? The government's cases against Archer stone. Well, in some respects, it's incredibly solid. I would say it's a slam dunk, which is something that prosecutors don't like to say, but with respect to the five counts that relate to about false statements lying to congress. They're incredibly strong, my my favorite if I could use that phrase, not to make light of it is the allegation where the special counsel claims that Roger stone on one day claimed that he never texted the the intermediary. Roger Randy credit go who's person to in the indictment on the same day that he actually texted thirty times. So you have the statement. It's clear it's not ambiguous. And then you have presumably they have the actual texts. That's a lie. That's readily provable. What you're hearing from loud the prison supporters. These are procedural crimes. That these are just procedural crime. They're serious crimes that go to the heart of what the Justice system is about from time to time people come before a grand jury or they come before a special counsel that come before congress. And as as as Jeff knows, it's anybody's ever prosecuted cases knows the only way you can get at the truth alternately is if people are held responsible if they lie in the course of an investigation and the lies here went directly to the issue that the special counsel was investigating to to what extent was there. Some kind of coordination with the word collusion that people like to use a conspiracy with, you know, by in between people in the Trump campaign and folks were either, you know, with the Russian government or getting information from the Russian government like it looks like it leaks was Jeff amuse spent time with Rogers with a great New Yorker piece about him. Do you believe when he says he's not going to flip on the president? Do you believe that I do because I don't think he is a good witness for the prosecution. I mean, he has lied so much during his life. He sort of relishes being a BS artist in someone who tells people, you know, what he wants to tell them. So I don't think he would be a great witness for the prosecution, and I think he is going to go to trial, and he has a better shot of getting a pardon. Then he does of. Flipping and becoming a government witness who doesn't get a long sentence. I think you think that's what he's banking on. I getting apart. He didn't tell me that. I mean, I just saw very recently. But he did not he he didn't say that. He really thought he wasn't going to get indicted at that point. They thought the storm had passed I was with him and his lawyers in Florida two weeks ago. And they were the they thought this thing was was pretty much over. So they were wrong. And now, we'll say Meg what's your sense of where the president is in all this in terms of you know, is you rattled. I mean, it wasn't a huge surprise. I guess that stone has been indicted. Do you remember there was a tweet from the president a couple of weeks or months ago or frankly decades ago because this leads are also long where he had tweeted negatively about Michael Cohen Michael Cohen was weak because he had he had flipped and whereas Roger stone is strong. And he's not doing that. I think that is where his head is. I think that he is looking at it as you know, this is a problem. I don't think he wants to deal with it. I my understanding is he talks much more about Michael Kohn privately than he talks about Roger stone. But let's not pretend the president is not disturbed by this on some level. This is a person Roger stone who has been the president's closest political advisor on and off. And yes as Jeffrey said, they they have been friends and foes at various points, they've had a very very fraught, but durable relationship over a very long period of time. And Roger knows a lot about Donald Trump. So that will always make the president feel anxious. But I do think that the president feels pretty confident that stone is not going to turn on him that he's not going to cooperate with. Prosecutors stone has also never said to me that he inches updates pardon. But certainly people around the president believed that Roger may think that and people around Roger thank the Roger. But there's another factor at play here. Which is that Paul Manafort is looking at ten years in prison. I mean, his financial crimes given the way the federal sentencing. Works. He is looking at a very long time in prison. This is a very different case. There's no money involved in this case. So even if if stone is convicted I think he's looking at two or three years, which he figures he can do if he has to and it's just it's less of a life or death matter than it was for Manafort free. Do you agree that the big question now is who the person was who according to the directed senior campaign official to reach out to stone. I think it's an important question. What I've been struggling with is trying to understand why that's in the indictment. He wasn't necessary in the indictment. It just could have said that a senior campaign official spoke to to Roger stone directed someone to speak. I'm trying to the senior campaign officials spoke to Roger stone to ask questions about what we leaks had the fact that he the it's the Buller put in that. He was that he or she was directed to speak at the passive voice when nothing else in the indictment is passive voice. So was it wasn't necessary. It's an odd word choice. And they don't say who it is. I'm not sure why it's why it's. In there. Because nothing mother does is unintentional. So very carefully said directing the president is that supposed to raise questions about the president. I mean, it certainly, frankly, I I actually don't know it's odd that it's in there because they must have expected. It was gonna cost speculation and speculation. It's something that I think, you know, we've been worried about the last couple of weeks with the BuzzFeed article in with the SUNY memo that is very clear in the circumstance of when you when you say that the president directed something to call and viewers will recall that there was a sentencing memorandum submitted by this other district of New York with respect to Michael Cohen on the question of whether or not the president directed him to make certain payoffs that was there in black and white. It wasn't in passive voice. Who was the president directed him? So they had to believe it was true. I believe also must be the case that the mother team has it solidly that someone was directed. And they probably know who that I'm sure they know who that person is. So the fact that they made it they put it in there. It wasn't necessary. But they don't name the person is odd to me. So. You said that senior campaign official who according to this indictment was directed cheating that person is cooperating. We we don't know. It would be my guess. But that's how they know that that person was directed. It. Also, stands to reason that the person who is doing the directing was the president. Although I don't know if that's true, again, we're speculating what you'd be very careful about that. Because it would be natural for the president upon hearing that Roger stone has information to say find out what he has. And I know what Jeff is going to say because because I've heard him say it before. And he's absolutely right. What I said just now maybe sounds very sensational, but it is not a crime, right? It is not a crime in the circumstances that we understand to be true at the moment for the president to say to someone. Hey, find out what Roger stone knows. Right. I mean that that is an important point. Is that e even though it is it is it would be embarrassing. It would be I think inappropriate. But to say as someone might go ask Roger what the what the heck's going on with Wiki leaks. Get that in for. Nation. I it's not illegal that is that is that is not on its own on its own on its own. Yeah. But but it is part. And why it sounds like it could be the president is this is the same person who was saying I love WikiLeaks. So his he never recognized that or never acknowledged that WikiLeaks was involved in a criminal enterprise. But he they were doing his business for our Maggie Haberman. Jeffrey Toobin, thanks very much with Roger stone. It's not only shades Nixon, but the entire color palette of next. We'll hear from two major Watergate figures. John dean Carl Bernstein for their perspective on this major day next. Hey, it's Howard Beck. And I've got G league presidents schrief Abdur Rahim on Bleacher reports forty eight teams are excited about about three two one engage with players. They wanna be a part of we've heard this on the NBA teams won a have earlier touch points be a part of the development process of young players earlier. So this is an opportunity for that. So check out the full forty eight now on the Bleacher report app, apple podcasts and Spotify. Roger stone's political career dates back to Richard Nixon as evidenced by the tattoo on his back that we have a photo. Yes. That Israel stones affinity for. The disgraced former president was also on display after he appeared in federal court today following his arrest and obstruction full statements and witness tampering there, of course, echoing Nixon's double fisted victory sign we'll see what becomes Roger stone. But we all know how history remembers Nixon, and nobody knows it better than former Nixon White House counsel. John dean and legendary Watergate reporter Carl Bernstein Carl. I mean, it was kind of incredible see Rogers don't give the signature Nixon victory signed today. No coincidence. He obviously knew that would be, you know, a photo that everybody, you know, used in reference. This is a man who has a Bong shaped like Richard Nixon's head his house as far as I understand. I'm wondering what today surprised you or made you think about? When I think about today is how important it is that we get a real report from Mr. Muller that tells us every aspect of his investigation, particularly surrounding president of the United States, and how crucial it is that the American people here from Muller everything that he knows about Trump stone is a bit player in in the sense that he's a self self-aggrandizing. But he is not a bit player. He is a huge player because of his proximity and relationship to the president of the United States as that one part of the indictment makes clear if indeed it is the president is pretty Berar was speculating who who was being referred to their what we need to keep our eye on here, though is the difference in Watergate, and what we're witnessing. Now is that we have hearings. At which the American people learned about what happened in the Nixon White House, and we've had no such public hearings leaving us with nothing, but Muller to put all this together for us. And so today, look first of all Roger stone was not a major player in Nixon presidency. He was nineteen years old and twenty years old at the time of Watergate, he was a junior scheduler in the Nixon campaign. He'd like you to think otherwise he is a consummate BS artists and at the same time he is up to his neck, obviously in the WikiLeaks business and with the president of the United States, John in a book, Roger stone road about Watergate. He had some choice words for you. And obviously given that I wonder what what throwing your mind when you saw him today. He's never been one of my favorite people. He is tried to disrupt a couple book festivals. When I was there, not successfully. But he is a he's thirty trickster. He seemed to take the worst lessons from Watergate and think they are the real lessons that one should employ. And now he's finished it out by getting a charge of of line -struction of Justice witness tampering. Anyway, I I noticed with great interest today that the Nixon foundation disowned him and put out a tweet just to make the point that Carl had that how young he was. And he was junior scheduler. And while he portrays himself as something of a Nixon aide. It was really after Nixon left office that Roger worked with him and for him up in New Jersey during his post-presidential period. I, you know, I'm not surprised I think he's a consummate liar. He he would be a terrible government witness, his only hope. Is a pardon. And if he has information that could hurt Trump Trump might do that if he sits on it and goes to jail with Carl. I mean, it's interesting that, you know, these three men Nixon stone and Trump all seem or seem to live or at least sort of publicly live by the same code of admitting. Nothing kind of denying everything counter attacking whenever possible. You could argue Nixon did a behind the scenes, whereas certainly, you know, Donald Trump has done a very publicly. Well, there's been a vast cover up both by Richard Nixon. And by Donald Trump, everything Russian is being covered up and lied about by the president of the United States in those who served with him who who have gone down this road. And who we now see you're under indictment. They've lied. Why? Why does everybody keep lying about Russia? The same way that witnesses in Watergate kept lying about what happened in the Watergate break in and what happened in a vast campaign of political espionage and sabotage run by those closest to the president of the United States to undermine the Democrats campaign for president of the United States. We have real similarities there, but we also have this situation in which the difference between Watergate, and what we see now is the system was. Allowed to work under gate and Republicans helped make it work. And we're not seeing that happen. Now. John the diamond today. There's a text message in which stone told witness Randy credit coda, quote, stonewall and plead the fifth anything anything to save the plan, Richard Nixon. That's actually direct quote from Nixon in the midst of the Watergate investigation, right? It is from what are the Nixon tapes on the afternoon of March twenty second I had just left the meeting the day before I'd worn Nixon. There was a cancer on his presidency. He's meeting and huddling with Mitchell and just tell him Mitchell the way it is plead the fifth do anything you do have to do to save the plan. That was really a rather. Brutal conversation used very effectively against Mitchell at the criminal trial against him on structure of Justin credible. John dean Carl Bernstein, thank you very much want to check them Chrissy what he's working on for Cuomo primetime. Without the Chris the breath of the coverage that you've given us tonight. So far is very impressive. So we'll try to add onto it with some depth and bringing in. Some of the people who matter here, we have Roger stone tonight. We're going to be talking this. It's amazing to me that council is leading him speak after being indicted. And that's for sure I'm sure that he's been warned to stay away from the merits of the case. But there's plenty to discuss your show is made very clear. We also have Chris Davis on the show. Remember, her sure she is known Roger stone for a very long time. She worked for him for she. Did she also spoke to the Muller investigators? Remember stone has not. So what does she think of this? What are her concerns for Roger going forward because he really is showing a lot of confidence given what is in this indictment. Yeah. Chris look forward to that. Roger stone. Chris davis. Thanks very much six minutes. From now up next update on the family would told you about last night a couple concerned that because the shutdown their electricity turned off electrically their daughter. Harper needs to stay alive. Steven universe. 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