19 Episode results for "Algis"

Home is where all legends end up, bonus

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20:12 min | Last month

Home is where all legends end up, bonus

"To the show presented by sports. I'm your host vince. douglas gregory. What's on my agenda. Hey i have no agenda. In fact i'm just going to call it a special. I'm going to call this a special. Because i'm not supposed to be here right now. I am not supposed to be here right now. In fact i'm supposed to be on vaca- translation. I am supposed to be holiday translation translation. I am supposed to be not here. Still trying to work out somebody kinks steel trying to work out some of the bugs still trying to get the studio up and running to running conditions for when the show kicks off again but there's some things that just happened that you can't explain there's some things and life that just happens that you can't explain and you go with the flow you let the mood takes you. You just ride the wave of emotions a right now. I am super. Yes do burr excited. I'm super-duper excited. Can't you see right now. I am jumping out of my skin with excitement. I'm jumping out of my skin with joy. What can i say. what can i say. Look for you. That don't know for us that don't know or you but us they don't know cr seven. Cristiano rinaldo is coming home to manchester united. And i'm so happy. I'm so excited. Sure i got a lot of questions. Sure i can be that guy. You know the guy who says but we still need midfielders but we still knee a cd yelm but is this really going to get us closer to winning a title previously get us closer to winning trophies. Maybe don't know. Possibly i'm not going to be the guy right now but those still valid. That is still valley. What i will do. Algis bathe in his glory glorious bay in his joyous moment. Behave in this. Oh once in a lifetime opportunity for this moment once in a lifetime opportunity for this moment you know how it'd be in. I said you know how it be in how it is. When you go on a trip you go on vaca- you go on holiday you go off to uni you go out to university you go up the college you go off some place and you come back. Home is no place lag home. You can go and experience the world you can go and see the world you can go and learn you. Can go and broaden your horizons but when it's all said and done you go back home you go back to the place where you feel most comfortable. You go back to the place where your name is on the wall. Your name is into building. Your namesake is remember with that place. You can do a lot of things. You can have a lot of experience. You can go a lot of places you can be whatever do whatever but when it's all said and done what do you do. What do you do you go back home. You go back home in this situation. Let this situation be a learning experience for citizens you know who you are the one or two that can think out. Think through complex situations the one or two that understand. they'll levels. today's the one or two dead. No this is the epic definition of taking the ill and is not just one. It is not just one l. this is multiple ails. This is multiple ells on different levels and for the rest of the citizens. You know who you are. Or i take that back. You do not know who you are so let me explain to you possibly in words that you understand if not i'll try again in if that still doesn't come across that still doesn't ring the bell who like the bob or do any of those things to let me know you got it. I'm just going to have to move on. Because this could take decades before it finally reaches you possibly can go out to pluto. Possibly go out the saturn somewhere in a solar system. And then you get faster. Maybe money can buy you a lot of things citizens. Money can buy trophies. Money can buy you people. You know mercenaries money can buy just about eighty eight. Money came buy happiness. Money can't buy loyalty because the flip side of that is mercenaries right. Money can't buy you everything just thinking at four seconds the ones who can comprehend just think of that for a second the ones who can comprehend money can put you in a position that other people can't be in money came. Put you ahead of the game. Money can offer up all sorts of things there. Some things money can't buy money can't buy happiness money came by you. Loyalty and money definitely can't buy you joy you could. You could buy you. Pretend you can buy you pretend joy and let me i guess. Let me go on. Let me add this as well. One it can't by history. Money came by you history if this is still over here here if this is still something you don't undestand and something that you can't get let me try this way as a kid. We were outside playing which you phrase playing with in this plane with whoever that you played with assuming that you wasn't alone assuming that you had friends assuming you had something to do that. Just wasn't being inside hopefully covered all basis if not. You probably need a little bit more help than i can't provide in this this. You need more help than i can't provide you need more help. I can't when you was little as the key outside playing with your friends. And whoever else when the street lights came on a winnie got past a certain time a win. You heard your parents call in or your parents called or your dad's called a win. It was time for you to get ready for bed or get ready for the next day. And you wasn't at home what did you do. You went back home. You went back home so you can go with your friends house and stay for a few hours. Sure you can go to the store. Stay for a few hours. Sure you can go to school and stay for a few hours when all of those events are done when all of those things are done whether you go back to you come back home. You go back home sure. Rinaldo went away very successful away. Not successful away. Went away was gone for a long long long long time. But when it's all said and done what happened what happened. He came back home. You come back home okay. Have you still don't understand that and you still don't get that. Let me try this way. Let me try this way you go somewhere else. You don't stay somewhere else because that place is in your place. That place isn't something that you help be successful. You go back home you go back to way you feel comfortable you go back to where it all began you go back to where it started you. Go back to the place that you call home. Have you ever been somewhere in gone for years and years upon years upon years upon years upon years and always in the back of your mind always in your head. You think it's just something off. There's just something missing about this is something that just does not feel right it just something digits. I can't quite put my finger on it. But home. I know citizens i know citizens of the world and citizens of the world in might be. It's still still might be difficult for the rest of you to get this for the rest of you to understand this and i'm trying on the fly. I'm trying on the fly to try to break it down and put it in you know bits. Bits and pieces together. So it's understandable. I'm just going to be left with. I'm just going to be left with. Ooh hoo home is where to hardee's i was gonna sing. I was going dance. But i'm just going to say home is where the heart is some things you can buy. That's some things you cannot understand because it doesn't involve money. It doesn't involve the things that you can't buy. I see jess. I suggest you go out. Go ahead get out at bubble go ahead. Interact with real people. Go ahead and talk to people real people on a human level and you understand and you will see that some of the happiest people are those that have no worries that have no care and that can be absent of money or that can be with money but the money they contribute to that it just put them in a better position poodle in a different space but it is not it is not the driving force behind. Human interactions in human emotions is something about the psychology of it. Something about the mid to aspect of it is something about as you say. The signs of that just goes far and above and beyond money. I don't know about you. I don't know about you but when i think of home home brings me. Happiness home brings me joy. I can go out and i can do whatever it is legally do whatever it is happily do whatever. It is ongoing. There's never ever a moment that i'm thinking to myself. I want go home. Go home go home for what i'm turned up. I'm to crop. i am too ready to just. Oh you know get my groove bang on because even when the music stops and the party's over with and it's time to leave and go somewhere else. I'm going back home. I'm going back home. i'm going to feel comfortable. I am going to where. I can lay my head down and no day. Everything is where it needs to be. Everything is where i put it. I have control over my domain. it's home it is home and this is not to. This is my to embarrass you even more. Because if i were to do it i'll just say why did you try to get him any way. Why did you try to get a legend of your rival. A legend of your rival and bring them to your club so you can be successful for the one thing that you can't grasp the one thing that you can't get the one thing that you have yet to get your paws on. I didn't bring that up. I did mentioned that. I just did only to say did i could've if i just wanted to dance dance dance but now i'm not here for that. I'm here to inform. I am here to give you a life lesson. That hopefully will stick with you from this point four. Hopefully that was stick with you as a life experience. I hope it reaches at least ninety percent of you. You know probably nine people. But at this reaches interns the lightbulb on for one person if this reaches and turns the lightbulb on for one person as job will that is job well done because that one person is on a different plane feel on a different wavelengths for the rest of the citizens and that one person can speak the same language as the rest of the citizens. And somehow through osmosis or telekinesis pass on that level of knowledge to another citizen. Then maybe just maybe it'd be worse. Maybe just maybe it'll be worth but i'll leave you with this hour. Leave you with this. Because i'm not supposed to be here. I'm supposed to be on vaca-. I'm supposed to be on holiday. I'm just going to call a special of a special of bonus of a bonus. Because i am jumping out of my skin with excitement because see our seven is coming home in his no place like home and home is where the hardest in. Let me come down. Let me just come. I'll leave you with this. I'll leave you with this life lesson that you get from living life that you get form exp- life experiences which a few or most of you or the majority of you who can think on different levels would probably get what is not that many money can't buy you everything. Money can't buy you every green. We're sorry the number you have dialed is not in service at this time.

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Tale of the roomies room mate

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21:25 min | 11 months ago

Tale of the roomies room mate

"Welcome to extra accurate prisoner by sports. I'm your host events. Douglas gregory no filter there The since her a you could follow extra extra on twitter at extra extra the d. g. guffaw extracts are on twitter at extra extra. The make sure you checked out. Make sure you check out sports on youtube. Make sure you check out and possibly subscribe to be g sports on youtube. everything is. they're all personality all the time. And if you want to keep up with me and my whereabouts. I can say i'm gonna get better. I can say that. I'm going to get better. You can hold me accountable to that. You can hold me accountable to that. And if. I'm not being held accountable to that who is to blame. If i'm not being held accountable. Who is to blame to blame. Because i am taking advantage of a situation or you to blame for not making sure that i am not taking advantage of a waste either way. Either way that plays is vince. Douglas gregory dot com once again. Douglas gregory dot com. And you need me to spell it out for you here. We go v. I n. c. e. d. o. gene l. a. s. gio or g. r. e. g. o. r. y. dot com. I can't even spell my name sometime either. So i know how hard it is. I know how difficult ears. So there's there's no shade thrown none given non taken understand how difficult and how hard it ears. I mess up some time to. And i have to look at it and say and spell it all the time if not every day if not on a regular. Speaking rakes was a regulars nonverbal communication peeps value. Even know why. I do it. But i guess it's just a late everybody else. No noobs noobs. It's a lot of you. it's a lot of you. Hello hi and goodbye because dishes. Despite we'll we'll way pass the spot where They usually check out there. So i i should say that a long time ago either way. Thank you for Thank you. I just leave it at that. Thank you this. I think enough time has went by for me to of times. It went by for me to go ahead and inform on this matter. Enough time has went by in there has been other stories. That's been connected to this. One is another stories connected to this one. So i think enough time has went by because we protect the guilty in the game we protect the guilty in the game and i think enough time has gone by where i can. I can tell this story i can. I can bring up these facts in. I can spit these. The these truce and i can knock away and pushed back on all of the negotiable facts. That could possibly come this way any or all of that with the there i have. I have mentioned. I have mentioned enough stories surrounding this incident. Or this event and there's been enough stories here back and check them. You can go back and check when you can go back and review score documents on this and possibly you can piece it together or you are a rag and you already know verbal communication. Pete's i don't have to see a word because we've been there. We've been here when i started when i started this. We were there already in new that still here. Because there's there's a percentage of you just just relax continue. continue on what you do just. It's it's fine this is this is normal. This is okay. No need to worry. Don't worry at all this story now. It involves the it involves the it involves definitely one roommate. Did i got in a scuffle with one roommate. Where came down to some furniture movement moving in furniture moving came down to a whole my birthday incident and some things says and things didn't happen. Some things did happen. Things popped off. Furniture was moving and long story. Short we we we got. We got in tussle loss story short. We got in one of those. Tussles wear fisticuffs fisticuffs happened. It's okay it's fine. We're we're cool now. We're friends now. That's water under the bridge. Now if i were to see him today everything's okay now. Everything's fine now. I've seen him since. Then we're we're always we buddies is just a. It was a huge miss understanding and it was like going on. It was just a lot going on. And i'm not trying to rehash your bring this story up. Just go back and revisit store documents on now on just go back and review historical documents on that one. It is out there some. Wear the roommate. And it's it's recent too so it's is recent maybe just maybe our I'll help out. But maybe just maybe our look it up. But i it's recent and has got something to do with roommates and i think I think i might a might didn't label it right. it's possible. I didn't label it right roommates. You know. i don't know in the summary when a brief segment or the thing we just have to add words. Add stuff so i cannot go ahead and hit cena go ahead and press play hidden do things. I need to do to move forward. Here's some things in there to make it out. You can make it out but exempted do a roommates and it's in there is. That's the story. I'm not gonna continue to talking about this or that story on this because that was just me to get to this point that was that timeframe that situation and that was the roommate. Well i became roommates. My world dogma. Partner this i think enough time has gone by will. There was another friend any wasn't like it was a mutual friends right so it wasn't lying dead. This other friend was my friend and we were all friends right in. It wasn't mike that this other friend was his friend so basically it was somebody i knew only because of him only through him right and so this friend who is my friend but his friend. Who is my roommate. Who is my friend. He some things happen. Some things happen. Some things happen. I don't know what happened. I just know that. All of a sudden when i started coming home or all of a sudden when i started coming back to place there was somebody else that was there all right who it is what it is 'cause it the way it was set up or the way that it was working out a way it was playing out before i started picking up and before i started noticing what was really going on. What was really happening the way it was out the way it was playing out. It was just like i. You know this pot and this my boy just over at this time all right well you partner your boys over at the same time every day. Monday through friday. Monday through friday in weekends including just more often than not so now. I'm starting to put the pieces of the puzzle together now. I'm starting to just get a a whiff of what's really taken place of. What's really going on dan extinct. I know this friend has put this. How can i put this in not make. It seem as though that. I don't care okay. That's just not going to happen. That's just not gonna happen. So i'm just gonna keep it moving. I'm just gonna keep moving. I'm just going to proceed girl for the well. This friend brought more people along with him. So now all of a sudden this has turned into. He's brought his girlfriend friend. I don't know and she has brought her friends. So now i'll space is which is only built the made for two. Now wait a minute hold up. I think i think i skip some. I think skipped some things i think. Thinks gibson things all right let me. Just go ahead rewind and fast forward and come back to where we are now so just home. These spots all these moments in. Let's let me rewind and go back to the point where i started putting things together. That's putting things together. And i started realizing i started noticing that weight. I did flush this out but let me flush it out a little bit more more indepth more in debt details because hey it seems like always be generally seems like never get really really specific on things. It seems like i can't do that. Who says things like that. I wonder who were if they do. It's possibly they could be in cool. I started putting things together. I started putting things together. Because i started noticing that this person was there all the time monday through friday at the same time around the same time during the same thing it down the weekend just a little bit longer a little bit more so putting the pieces of the puzzle together. I'm like wait a minute how you always hear in doing the same thing all the time at the same time. There's no way there's no way. Even if you had a j o b a job or bringing in funds from some form of fashion tying changes or. There's some things that occurred that were make you late or something's happened that with throw off that are routine that were throw it off. It wouldn't be perfect now if this routine is extremely party now if everything is happening at a specific time in a specific date or a specific days on point like almost like his plan plod david's planned and plotted it's not a normal routine. It's no weight at. It's this perfect or the perfection is just an amazing. My favorite word in at that point in life. I was definite shooting for perfection. Perfection was definitely something that was a goal of mine all the time and on my mind. So so me shooting for this holy grail perfection trying to figure out in one day how these guys these people are doing something extremely perfect in his just happened or is happening by chance knowing so so my my alarm bells started going off before i could address the matter. That's win that trid non offering his friend started bringing in the other people. And that's wayne my alarms red flags and all of the other stuff goes off that alerts. You wayne you'd rather get taken advantage you about to get taken advantage of or some things off some things about the habit and you just not going to be too happy about it or you wasn't How can i put this. You wasn't in four of matters. You wasn't informed of matters a me. I'm definitely a person like a like to control what i can control. Now if something that i'm normally control can't control with any more or something that i should be controlling. That's mind or within my control when i can't control in ny anyway. I can't make any sense. Algae like this algis tse like this legally was on a least i legal lee head a certain percent or certain control over the decision making that took place in that domain therefore when the decision making or was taking place in that domain was happening. I wasn't involved. That was a huge. No no red flags something gotta change something. Go something gotta take place some gotta happen kinda thing now. I'm not a violent guy even though even though sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. Some things happen things happen. I'm valances in there so that would just going just going to push all that. All the way to decide then never came to mind. That never came to mind at never came up. That was never never never a thought to thought in my head of thought. My mind was like What's going on explain to me what's happening in what's going on. I'm the sensible person. I'm not an evil dictator. I do care about humans. I do heart. People i mean how mean human beings i value i value humans and so i kind. I took that message message from my roommate. i took that message to my roommate. That measure to my roommate and friend play. Hey what's going to happen. Every time i come here every time. I you are here and is perfect his perfection. And how is this so perfect. And how did you get perfection. Now as you know as you probably figured out now non verbal communication peeves unique. You know rigs you probably know now news. That's still here the one or two bed one or two of you this year. This is for you. I was like. I was extremely disappointed. I was extremely disappointed from what i heard. I was very very disappointed from from what they told me. You're from what was said. When i asked about this perfection when i asked about this just being able to do this all the time at the same time in heaven per perfect well yeah. I was disappointed because it wasn't. Perfection was not perfection. So i was disappointed. I was disappointed in that was the main reason of my Disappoint was because it wasn't perfection but so he told me that year just needed a place to crash for a couple couple of weeks or something something say like this is cool whatever no worries no worries but as you know or how the story usually or always go weeks turn weeks or weeds. Turn two weeks. Obviously because this week's right weeks turned months. I should say in months. Turn into two months and day in two months turns into no two months turns into three months. Three months turns into. That's it because i think it only went like longer than about three months because inet entire fremont time even though was an agreement even del there wasn't there was an agreement between like all right just here to get back on your feet or whatever whatever how ever how ever that. That just can't be. The case can be the case. Legally they can't be the case legally and then the the people dead we were renting the demane from that became an issue there. And now seeing when you helping someone you helping someone out or helping someone out. If that pushes you would that puts you in a spot in. Take you to a place where you may not have a place. Then that's where you gotta say. Look i like people. I like humans. I like helping out of this but if i can't help myself how can i help you if i don't have a place to help you. How can i help you so we basically came down to. It's either you data go. We all gathered. Go right you gotta go on. We all gotta go. And that was like at the tail end of the three months now in three months even though it was like a does like a unwritten rule agreement there was like an unwritten rule agreement in between the three months where it was like. It was like every opportunity every chance that i got to write a note. I wrote a note any opportunity any chance that i had to write a note. I wrote a note. Because i just wanted to write and i just wanted to put out there. I just wanted people to see my hand right because it you see how right if you see my handwriting. If wade put lettuce together in a way that i make cursive in a way up structure my sentence in a way that i structure my on everything dot dot is and cross my ts and all of that. You look and if you buy decimated we can't play with somebody. We can mess with that somebody if they help you in day helping you. They help you because they are good. But deep deep deep deep deep deep down. Oh no. No i'm scared.

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360: Empathy in Prospecting - Jason Bay

Daily Sales Tips

04:48 min | 1 year ago

360: Empathy in Prospecting - Jason Bay

"You're listening to the daily sales tips. PODCAST I'm your host Scott Ingram today. Jason Bay from blissful. Prospecting is back doc with another of his killer prospecting tips. Here he is all right. Let's talk empathy. So this is a big topic in sales right. Now there's some confusion around what empathy he actually is. And this is inspired from a conversation to have a Scott Barker on the outreach sales engagement podcast in one of the big things that I believe is very important. Important is distinguishing between what empathy is in what it is not and this is inspired also by post that. I saw in Lincoln where someone basically police said. Empathy is not needed in sales. Because you shouldn't feel the same feeling as your prospect for example. If they're frustrated you shouldn't also be frustrated so that is not the definition of empathy. Empathy is actually the ability to understand. Insure the feelings of another that straight out of the dictionary. Either so it's not about feeling the same feeling. It's about being able to understand what someone else might be feeling in the ability to share that feeling. So why is this this important. The reason why it's important is prospects are people just like view in me and the big thing is in order to sell effectively. We have to have a good conversation with someone and the way that people become close is through having conversations where people are on the same page and they can empathize empathize with each other and they can understand what the other person's thinking what there might be feeling that kind of thing so in prospecting. This is extremely important. Because you've of a very short window to really build and establish empathy whether it'd be through a cold call or through an email and get that person open to just is listening to you even if that's for thirty seconds sixty seconds whatever it might be so i. WanNa give you two or three things that you can use right now to practice having a little bit more empathy in outreach. So that when you go to do this it's much more effective so one of the things you can do before you fire off that email or before you make that Cole call is rehearse. What what you're GONNA say and ask yourself and run this by people in your team as well. What am I going to say here. And how is that going to make the prospect feel and and you can even go a step further and ask yourself. How do I want the prospect of feel. Do I want them to feel excited. Hopefully right do I want them to feel a little bit intrigued. Maybe you probably don't want them to feel frustrated or mad or angry right so go through your messaging and pretend like you're on the receiving end talk to people on your team and ask them how this would make them feel. That's number one number. Two is something that you can practice on the phone or email when someone actually expresses a frustration so so for example if you open up a cold call in and hey have you been someone's like my day is not really going well. Don't just skip and go right to your thing don't end don't just say you know what. I Hear Carolina. Well no problem. And then you go straight into our pitch. That's a chance for you to be a little human there and you could say something as simple as a hey. It sounds like you're frustrated. uh-huh really sorry to hear that or hey sounds like it's been a long day. We're just getting back from the break. I'm sure that you've got a lot on your mind. Appreciate taking a couple of seconds here so so just acknowledge how. The person feeling that. They're frustrated and listen. That's okay so it's a really really simple thing that you can do there another thing that you can do. And this is a more advanced thing that takes a little bit more time in something I talked about. A lot is customer interviews so one way that you could get in the shoes of your prospect a little a bit more and understand what they might be going through where their challenges and frustrations lie in relation to your product or service is to interview them and ask them about their challenges algis in their frustrations prior to using your product or service and people are GonNa say all kinds of crazy things about their current solution and what they hate and what they like and what they don't blank and that kind of stuff and you can lead with that inner prospecting conversations. Alright so hopefully that helps us empathy. I left a link in here that you can check out on the Shen as well if you WANNA listen more about how to use empathy in your prospecting with my conversation with Scott Barker on reach sales engagement podcast that'd be linked up in the show notes. Thanks for taking. Listen if you'll click over to daily sales dot tips forward slash three sixty. You'll find a link to Jason's interview with Jason Barker on the outreach. Each sales engagement. PODCAST as well as links to Jason's linked in profile blissful prospecting. And all that good stuff. Then make sure you come back tomorrow and every day after that for another great sales tip. Thanks for listening.

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#A170 (analcime to analogous)

The Dictionary

08:34 min | 2 years ago

#A170 (analcime to analogous)

"Hello words welcome to this episode. Yep Keep on going. I word for this episode is I think it's pronounced a Nel Seem A. N.. A. L. C. I.. M. E. see this is a noun from eighteen o three a white or slightly colored mineral that consists of hydrated silicate or sodium and aluminum and occurs in various ignace rocks in massive form mm or in crystals. The etymology says this is from a Greek and Al Chemo which means weak and that is from L. Chemo's which means strong and Alkali which means strength now. We have an elects A. N.. A. L. E. C. T. S. this is a noun from sixteen fifty two selected miscellaneous written passages. That's the whole definition. The etymology says this is from <hes> <hes> the Greek and allegation which means to collect and that is from lagging which means to gather and there's more at the word legend now. We have Anna Lima A. N.. A. L. E. M. A. This. this is a noun from eighteen thirty to a plot or graph of the position of the sun in the sky at a certain time of day as noon at one locale measured throughout the year that has the shape of a figure eight also a scale as on a globe or sundial based on such a plot that shows the sun's position for each day of the year or that follows local meantime to be determined anna lymphatic nick is an adjective and the etymology says <hes> it is latin it means sundial on a pedestal it's from the greek and allama which means lofty structure or sundial that is from anna lamma amac benin who i think i screwed that up which means to take up or restore and that is from lamb benin which means to take and there's more at the word latch l. a. t. c. h. next we have an elliptic elliptic this is a noun from sixteen seventy one a drug that stimulates the central nervous system and elliptic is also an adjective now we have analgesic data i think that's how it's pronounced a. n. an a. l. g. e. s. a. <hes> this is a noun from circa seventeen Wall you're still conscious. I think this is from the Greek <hes> algis which means sense of pain <hes> from Algerian which means to suffer pain and elbows which means pain now now. We have analgesic A. N.. A. L. G. E. S.. I see this is a noun from eighteen seventy five an agent for producing anal gesia which was our previous word. Analgesic is also an adjective <hes> so I think when it sane <hes> if I put the two together that yes an analgesic via Jesusa is a time when you are not feeling pain but you're still conscious and so you would use analgesic to get you into that <hes> situation so maybe this is for surgery. If you need to be conscious <hes> they'll give you an analgesic and <hes> you won't feel any pain hopefully now we have. You've a nationality A. N. A. L. I t. y.. This is a noun from nineteen thirty nine the psychological state or quality of being anal now we have analog this is an adjective from. from nineteen forty six one of relating to or being an analog <hes> and the spelling is different so our main word is a. n. a. l. o. g. <hes> in the definition it is a. n. a. l. o. g. you e. to a of relating to or being a mechanism in which data or data is represented by continuously variable physical quantities to be of or relating relating to an analog computer to see being a timepiece having hour and minute hands now we have analog computer this is a noun from nineteen forty eight a computer that operates with numbers represented represented by directly measurable quantities as voltages or rotations and it says compared to the words a digital computer and hybrid computer i've seen old <hes> calculators i would assume that they are recalled analog calculators that have just a ton of gears and levers and lots of crazy things going on and that's that's what they used <hes> they they had to do it all mechanically and physically and there was no oh digital computer chip anything in there to <hes> do the work so they had to figure out how to do it in a mechanical physical way <hes> so i'm guessing that's what analog computer is <hes> and yeah Sense I I just think it's a genius way of or a genius feat of Engineering <hes> to figure out how to create a calculator or a more complex computer in just analog physical ways ways analogical is next also Anna Logic. 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S6 Ep3 The basis of chronic disease-Inflammation

Dr Ron Unfiltered Uncensored

49:03 min | 9 months ago

S6 Ep3 The basis of chronic disease-Inflammation

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004 What Is The Recommended Daily Sugar Intake For Kids?

Healthy Eating For Kids

23:12 min | 2 years ago

004 What Is The Recommended Daily Sugar Intake For Kids?

"Hello and welcome to healthy eating for kids podcast. I'm your host by eventual a registered pediatric Titian nutrition experts and order I understand they're making the right nutritional choices for your child can be daunting. But it doesn't need to be. I'm going to help you tease out the facts from fiction. So we'll be meeting experts working with kids to inspire and build your confidence. When it comes to your chance nutrition. Let's dive in. Welcome to episode four today. We're going to talk about sugar, but before we get started. But this show I wanted to draw your attention to a free guide and sugar that I have available on my website. I recently updated the guy to include examples of everyday snacks got may contain free sugars that you can still offer the children in between meals. Go over to UK kids nutrition dot com forward slash sugar hyphen guide you also receive at least one Email a day for five days with tips on how to screen for sugar in everyday foods at home. So you have everything you need to succeed in taking control of how much should have your child receives from the died. If you love to get hold of this guy should have then head over to my website you cake. It's nutrition dot com forward slash. Shooter hyphen guide now on with today's show. We're going to get in deep about heartache control of how much sugar our children are eating. So is it time to refresh your child's diet with tweaks and expert tricks that will completely transform the amount of sugar in your child's died. I also this question because at the beginning of this year Twenty-nine teen, you may recall that public held England warned us that children have already eaten there allowance of sugar for an eighteen year old by the time that they are say ten years of age, that's an arming. That's quite about sugar that have already eaten and I'll be briefly chatting to another dietitian called Louise from dieticians knife about the national nutrition survey, you'll be able to listen in on our conversation shortly. But what I wanted to highlight. Today is often when I mentioned that bid a fruit or vegetables with a dip, some toast or rice Ghaith is perfectly. Suitable as snap children in between meals on new that you've told me that you are worried that your children are getting bored with their food or your worry that they just not find that interesting in. So if you're finding that you are learning around your suit markets on the hunt for a trendy snack for your kids. Charges are these anything packaged high in sugar, particularly free sugars now free sugars are usually added sugar in the form of any of these words, so it could be things like Agov nectar beet sugar coconut sugar date. Nectar fructose blue close golden syrup. High fructose corn syrup Honey make. Syrup sugar sucrose syrup and so on so you can you can see some of these words like maple syrup or cook sugar or date syrups things they come across as being very healthy. But they are essentially a form of added sugar. So a form of free sugars and these types of sugar should be restricted, regardless of its origin. So regardless of whether it's from dates or coconut oil maple that sort of thing. So if a product contains any of these ingredients it needs at the food item has added sugar, and the idea isn't a sugar completely sugar is useful in baking, and it gives products stability and at a pleasing sweet flavor. It's really the amount. And the portion sizes that can become a problem. So let's go through a few tips that you can put in play. Place when using Shabazz part of your child's every day done top tip one. If a snack includes sh- ago, any of the free shooters that I mentioned above as the first three ingredients in the ingredients list, the food item is possibly high insurance. Let's say that you looking at yoga, and there's only three ingredients anyway than this tip won't work for that particular food you'll need to refer to the nutrition table, but generally this works really well. For example, I have a packet way tros four fruity and flavor some wholemeal hot correspondent on delicious. And you can get them in the shops. If you are, you know, in Rachel's in the month of brewery, I just happen to have a waitress close FIS do shop, but I do shop there reasonably frequently. So if you look at the top three ingredients. In the whole meal corresponds it's things like who me. We'd flower moistened vine, fruits and Donna's raisins water. Then he goes onto this things. Like, we'd gluten butter free range whole egg and so on. So this item doesn't actually have sugar listed as an ingredient, which is great. It does contain a good proportion dried fruits, which is naturally sweetening the baking and is naturally lending very sugary taste bought as you can see the top three ingredients doesn't contain shoulda. So you can visual or reasonably sure that the product probably isn't going to have a high proportion of sugar. So then the next steps top tip to eight full shoot at less than ten to fifteen grams per hundred grams of food onto them, but if the amount of sugar is higher than consider the source of the sugar in that food items dried fruit, for example, can be useful source of fiber. And indeed these hot corresponds contain five dot seven grams of five hundred dollars anything above five to six grams of fiber one hundred grand is excellent. And so I would say that. Although this particular brand of hot corresponds has about I think it seventeen grams of sugar one hundred grams as about the ten to fifteen grams that I'm recommending, but then say if you have quite young Gile taught ler they may only eat Hof of a bone, and then you could officer fresh fruit with that or some cut up vegetables with. A HAMAs type dead, and they could also have a calcium. Enrich drink to go with whether or not be counts Mogo if your child has a plot based drink, and that would be absolutely fine as well. So let's listen in on my conversation with Louise on why she things that children may not be eating the recommended five portions of fruit and vegetables a day. Lewis wise, you think the national nutrition survey found that chewing on really eating as much fruits and vegetables as they should be. Yeah. What this probably a multiple multiple reasons why not a could be that the not being introduced to it and Leonidas it could be that that being offered maybe more sweets chocolate crisps biscuit with well. It could be convenience could be a problem. If people are wanting quickly to give them a snacks keeping in the humbug and then not wanting to be chopping fruits. All the time. I think the must be lots of reasons for it living in London. I love that Louise has brought up the topic of convenience and agree with it can be challenging if you're out and about that in. It's so tempting to just pop into a little shop to buy a snack rather than carry snacks around. But if you've got a hand back things nine banana, all apples and pears if you pop it into a reasonably nice little storage back. It will store. Well, it shouldn't bruise e can wash it in advance. Or if you really don't want to do then try and pop into a shop that have a nice action of pre cont fruits that you could buy rather than some of the pre package snaps up. They promote to children because often they have a lot of added sugars and remember. That if a product contains anything gradients we've discussed earlier today so easily things like taking that Suga date syrups Honey maple syrup. Yes. It sounds lovely and fancy and trendy plant at the end of the day. You'd need to eat a really low quantity of these foods to receive benefits. There is a misconception that foods like coconut should as or date syrups and things that have very high quantities of anti oxidants another micronutrients, but that's not necessarily true you need to eat kilos kilos offered to obtain the nutrition of benefits that the products are promoting and in reality. You would get a hundred times more off the visitors and promised anti-oxidants just from eating fresh fruits. Don't overlook the benefits of fresh fruit. Having said that if you really do prefer buying snacks when you are out in about just remember the two top tips that I shared earlier about looking at the first three ingredients are listed in the ingredients list. Does it have sugar listed as the Panetta, I three ingredients? And if it does have a look at the the overall nutrition table as well is there more than ten to fifteen grams of sugar per hundred grand, and what's the source of the sugar. So say you end up picking yogurt. Yogurt does have added sugar in it. But if you know that your child read, it does not enjoy having something like natural yoga doesn't mean that they can't have short yoga just choose of Brown that has a little bit less at a sugar, for example, you play have from Orange Free, and that has considerably less added sugar looking at the one hundred gram column, there's only four point eight grams of sugar one hundred grams, and we know that often the first four to six grams of sugar or carbohydrate is actually from lactose, which is a natural milk sugar. So that wouldn't be classified as an added a free sugar that product is just flavored with vanilla. And it doesn't have any added should as a great one to pick. But if you confines confidence store that stocks that just have. Look through the list of yogurts in store compared the amount of added sugar and pick a brand that has a highest election of fresh fruit. As a added ingredient. So reviewing those tips for controlling the amount of sugar. That's in your chance died if you suspect that it might actually be on the higher end of normal or above what is the recommended amount in for your child. And if you're not sure what that amount needs to be go ahead and download my guide on sugar over on my website. Put a copy of the link in the show notes that you can just download that going. So if you're not entirely sure how much sugar your child can eat on a daily basis to make sure that you referred that guide. But as a rule of thumb some tips that you can do right now today is basically start reading labels. You know that the top three ingredients listed in at the back of any packaging will indicate that if should has been listed as the top three ingredient, then it's probably a high sugar product. And if you want further clarification, you can actually read the nutrition table, so if a product has anywhere less than ten to fifteen grams of sugar one hundred grand, then that's that's idea you're doing well. And you certainly want to think about the source of the sugar as while because sugar from dry fruit, which is a natural source of fiber and some vitim. Is not the same as sugar from even a trendy source of added sugar like cook nerd should maple syrup or something like that. So here's a true example. I was really hungry at work. I didn't have any snacks popped into the local supermarket to grab something and this brand of cereal bar court. My because it was something date, and it's not that's on a really interesting. It also said that it had no refined sugar and that it was hundred percent natural. So all saying all the right things. And that it was a source of fiber manganese, and that it was suitable for vegetarians, and it had pumpkin and sunflower seeds. I didn't check the labels. I picked it up at boarded. And then once I details. Good in case, you're wondering and once I did have a look at the. Ingredients list. They is it says whole road owed. Okay. Fine. Second ingredient is apple paste. So that's basically of type of free sugar. Let's say says in brackets concentrated, apple Jews concentrated, apple puree. And then the third ingredient is chop date. So that's dried fruits, which we know is going to be high in sugar natural sugar, and then the fourth in reading is date paste, and there's also date syrup in there and just to confirm my suspicions as I look at the Pearl hundred gram column, the amount of sugars is hundred you. I'll let you have a little guess, but it is twenty nine grams. It's double the upper limit of the amount of added sugar that we like to see, and I guess because it does have a high proportion of dried fruit to the dates that would sort of explain the amount of extra added sugar. But then it does have things like date pays the apple pace and the date syrup. So he's not completely angel IQ as the labeling at the front of the box suggests that that's why it's really important to have a look at the nutrition table and the ingredients list from time to time. I mean, it's not the end of the world. If you pick up it's not lie this for your children every now, and then, but I would suggest, you know, sticking to fresh fruit yogurts that your enjoys a family because that's also a source approved teen and concierge. Even if it's going to be like, a soya-based one or coconut based one you could do rice cakes. You could also do Coon thins and toast with a nut. Butter is perfectly fine. Cut up pieces of vegetables with HAMAs or an alternative vegetable base with tiny paced. You could do the hot corresponds that. We spoke about earlier today, and you could also do who baking that's absolutely fine. If you want to give your children baking, you can manipulate the amount of added sugar by reducing the sugar by say twenty to thirty percent of what the recipe is asking you to use you usually don't need the full quantity of sugar to give the banking structure. So it's still really nice opportunity to cook. With your children. Without all of the atis sugar that the recipe calls for. So let's hear from Louise one last time. I really wanted Louisa come on the show and talk to you because she appeared in her local news at the start of the year. When the results of the national diet nutrition survey results were Algis basically commenting about the amount of sugar in our children's diets. But also how much sugar we are eating as a nation nation. And the fact that we are not meeting our requirements for fruit and vegetables, which is three of their shoes. Two pieces of fruit. I'm really proud that dieticians being nutrition experts are being asked to come on national TV and the radio is really great to see Dr Titians being represented in this way. Let's hear from Louise now, and the reason I completely forgot we haven't. Really spoken much about the Shiva tax. Yes. Third that has come up recently with the national that nutrition survey when there were looking over the past nine years. I think children have reduced might be how much sugar sweetened drinks. They are having or they're still having quite a lot. So we are reducing bits of how much sugar sweetened drinks. We are having. Whether that's to do this shook attacks not because not zany being enforced for the past year. Or so how people must have been starting to think about if all so the sugar tax just on sugar, sweetened drinks and fizzy drinks. Isn't it? I want to eat milky drinks at a sugar fall under that group is well, I suppose shouldn't in milky drinks on still reasonably quite nutritious. It is visage offerings or just juices added sugar. That's the one that we want to worry about because he could just want making a swamp to water or even a juice with no added Shiva you would reduce the amount of sugar. You get fifty percent. Yes. I think me other thing to worry about with the auditorium is the energy drinks high in sugar on the got caffeine. And that's right. That many be reduced. Yes. It is a really good point. And they were lots of. About that. I think to the end of last year and with exempt times and things that I'm sure teenagers, particularly might be using some of these energy drinks thinking it's going to boost their energy, but not realizing that the amount of caffeine can actually be quite quite considerable and even dangerous if they end up drinking, quite large quantities in your of time, if you know staying awake in the nine to do exam prep and things that that is warring in east behind onto visual. Yes. Yeah. Well, Louise, thank you so much for that shot today about sugar. I'm show the discussion around sugar will carry on. And there will be more discussion on Suga really interested to see how the sugar tax works out for us as a country in a few years time answer me if you have any rights sugar swaps. That he not to share with us. Do let me know I can open link in our show, but if others would like to know a bit more about you because I know that you particularly work in the area of metabolic medicine. Where can we find you? Yes. I do work in inherited metabolic disorders in the NHL. I'm not so easy to track down that way. But I do run a blog as well. And it's called dodgy shins lives. They WWW dot dietitians life dot com. And also, I've got a Facebook page and Instagram page linked to that of well amazing. I'll make sure could copy of those links in the show knows who that people can find you the knighted find, you know, the deadline to. Yeah. And read a watch little bit more about you. Thanks so much for coming on the show today. Louise, thank you very much for having me. So thank you for listening today. I'm really grateful that you tuned in and you have listened to the entire episode. I hope you enjoy that. And if you did please, forget hit subscribe. So that you can be notified the next time. I release a episode. You can also subscribe by Email on my website UK kits nutrition dot com forward slash podcast. And if it likes to book, a free, call with me a pop a link in the show knows so that you can take a free fifty minute. Call to talk about how we could work together in the future by Fennell.

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Hour 1: Pineapples

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

00:00 sec | 2 years ago

Hour 1: Pineapples

"Bedale podcast is brought to you by the new Capital One saver card or four percent cashback on dining entertainment two percent at grocery stores. One percents on all purchases. What's in your wallet? DC's the Dan lebatardshow with Stu got spot Cass. We've got in with us today. What I think I kid arguably, call a movie star? Argue. He is been in movies. He has been a big star in movies. You might remember him as the blue Raja and mystery men one I love mystery men, I will not have anyone mock mystery men who wrote that Ben I'm sorry hankins areas with us I was excited at Ben Stiller was in studio listening in my life. When there's a major movie star in studio, Dan, you don't need to announce who it is. I mean people just know by the voice, if they're watching on TV, they know that there's an a list movie star in our studios. I dunno. I'll listen, I have a big ego. But I'm a movie actor I am in -sconsin in Hollywood the Hollywood cannon. But I I would not consider myself a movie star as is evidenced by disappointment than I am not Ben Stiller. I'm trying to figure out what it is. You just. What? In where embedded inside of your a cannon, Stu gods will help Hankas area today in a number of different ways hankins areas doing highly questionable with us. You may also know him as a million of the voices on the Simpsons as well. He's going to do highly questionable with us. He just got out of the production. Call for highly question is he not available or and he is he is available. Why did you do that? Why? I mean, I just figured if Israel wasn't available you'd go to me. But apparently not they Dan throws me a bone once a year. I mean fame here. So he was on the production. Call and he's a little nervous about the sports Takeishi thing like getting on television and having takes I know all of us think we can do it. But here's a professional actor. Excellent acting and is wondering how to take how to do what's to God's does. So. Well, in fact, I saw Hank while he was on the production. Call his IRA eyebrows were singed because stugatz was talking on Golic and wingo, and it was just higher that was coming out of his face nonstop fire. It was hard to concentrate on my own own thing to God's screaming in the background Haglund. It's really it's really no different than acting. Just fake it. Okay. That's it. That's the key to give him the heartache you give takes about things. You didn't even see. I will teach you hear throughout the show. How to get through the Ablom of HQ today. I'm looking forward to get the a block of HQ. So I could see what we're talking about. Stu gods? The challenge for you is to not give hot like shut it off right in your life. You shut it off in civilian life. Can you just like have normal conversation? You'll see during the breaks that he can't. No, I cannot again. Okay. Billy was just talking about pineapples and the dangers appealing a pineapple and I had to give a hot take their. I mean, so no the answer to your question is no you're afraid of pineapples, Billy, none. All right. So this is the thing that yes is the answer. But no, that's not why we were talking about pineapple. So this is what happened with pineapples maybe last week of the week before there was like this viral thing that was saying everybody eats pineapples wrong. Everybody cuts pineapples wrong. And there was a video of like top of the pineapple being cut off. And then, you know, pineapples have their little prickly areas. I don't even know what they would be called prickly areas works. Yes. So each one of those prickly areas, I if you were to watch this video, you would believe that you could just peel that off of the center of the pineapple once you've cut off the top. And you just it turns into a bite sized little piece of pineapple let you can chew now. This is done by someone that knows what they're doing. Of course, everybody on the internet. At the internet's filled with idiots things that they can do it myself included. So you go, and you get the pineapple you cut off the topic. All right perfect. This is just going to peel off. And I'm gonna beating them like Eminem's not the case, then people are sticking their hands in the pineapple trying to rip off these pieces. It's not working. They're cutting their hands are pineapples all soggy, their fingers are all sticky. And it's because it was like one specific type of pineapple. I think that you could do that way. But of course, that wasn't in the video I kid you not that forty five seconds ago. Our guest here big movie star in Hollywood threw up his hands. And just looked at you like why is he still talking? I'm not kidding. I what he couldn't even conceal it. Honestly, those are seconds of my life. I never get that your audience will never get that minutes watching the video would have been really boring hearing the video described is just impossibly. What were you even talking about? Okay. Oh my God. The holy yourself. Someone else's found. The me earn attack. How can you not? Are you? I'm gonna guess your your your audience is just been cut in half. You just yesterday Alison accused him of his entire existence of being a run on sentence because he has a way of marring inefficiently in a way that has made him strangely beloved among the most neurotic and our audience people who the most anxious in our audience, that's the gamma mafia, correct? Speak now or we're going to do. Well, keep it tight. Yeah. Sure. Do you know how? My vindicated on Dion Sanders now my vindicated on that sound of a play the sound. This sounds like what I imagine the nineties were for Hankas area, the sound that we're about to play his me having an embarrassing gaffe with Dion Sanders, but you guys did you see that story that came out that Dion Sanders said that rock bottom for him was when he was having threesomes when he he was so empty I'd like that to be my rock bottom. I think a lot of people are arguing that. But I understand what he was saying Hanky had everything and he couldn't find the things that made him happy. This is the quote rock bottom for me was having hundreds of suits and not covering the pain rock bottom for me was having hundreds of pairs of shoes. But couldn't take a step in the right direction rock bottom for me was having ten cars wasn't going nowhere rock bottom. For me was having a fourteen thousand square foot house, but not not never feeling at home rock bottom for me was laying between two and three women at a time. But you get up unsatisfied. First of all I got to point out how poetic and literary that accounting of his own bottom was bottoms, go. It's pretty good. Right. But I do understand. I mean, I am not actually major movie star. But I've known many, and I we were talking about this a little bit less night. Then that you know, I've seen a lot of people, including myself think that success in money are going to bring you happiness, and it really freaks you out when they don't you're sitting across from somebody who thinks that all it has happiness it has. So you're the one success story success in money. He wants more wants more. I mean, I always want more. Yes, there's enough. It's it's a good problem to have for sure, but I have seen many people feel very empty and it freaks them out. Even though they got everything they want. There's a lot of people in the audience who would like to feel that kind of empty cars mansions money, suits, shoes. Threesomes. I wish for everybody listening or watch. Watching that they can experience that version of Anthony. So here was me asking Dion Sanders about that. Because I was pretty sure that at one time in my life. I had a conversation with him for a magazine story. I was writing about how much he enjoyed sex and had a sex addiction. I thought well, this is how it went. When I asked him. I think we've talked to you before briefly. I don't know how at one point you had gone public saying you had a sex addiction. Right. No. Mean, you know, six diction Sixers. A whole. Confession. I've talked to you about that. That was other. Would me. So my vindicated by this admission or does this not represent an addiction when rock bottom for you is laying between two and three women at a time. But you get up on satisfied yet, you you you probably indicated although that was part of a laundry list of like seven other things that that made him feel empty, but I have a feeling if we ask the guys in the other room if he's vindicated. They will go the other way guys do you feel like Dan's vindicate? I don't feel like one has anything to do with the other to be quite to be quite honest with you guys feel like he's vindicated. I'll give it to you then. Yeah. You gotta win win. He find out denied that he had any sort of sex addiction. And now he's coming out and admitting that the worst part of his life was when he was having threesomes which seems a little sex addict. Yeah. I mean, you know, I still want to know that he right that statement himself. It is very pre-treated. Yes. It's out. You're right. That he's got the parallel construction down the cadence. He really he he's got he's had that for a long time. Few people have been as entertaining talking sports is that guy has been over decades. And as a beautiful a beautifully constructed piece of writing you did this whole thing just approve you will write several years ago. That's correct. Geico presents eyewitness interviews with inanimate objects. 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Perfect live at our show with his two guys on ESPN radio. We've got competing stats of the day to go to. But I they happy forty first birthday to New York Jets. Coach Adam gates of the franchise. Happy birthday to him. I don't care. Good luck. So now during the break, hang kazarian, stugotz. Talking about the Mets, and this is a particularly miserable alliance. These to have in their fandom when you're talking about things like the Mets things like the jets things like the Knicks, but they were talking about Fidel last night. What happened with him? What happened that you guys found so funny while the Knicks lost again, which is a good thing for the Knicks Knicks fans, but David phys data was was very upset that his team had lost a game. They had to lose. And I am saying that David fizzed was acting there. Now, Hank would know better because he's an actor. But I think Fidel is trying to throw everyone off the scent of the Knicks are actually tanking here. I didn't see the footage of that particular flip out by him, which he does every once in a while. But I would say it's he seems genuine to me his job is to try very hard to get that team to win. But the beauty of the Knicks is that they can try as hard as they like, they're still almost definitely going to live, very organic. What's going on? So you know, it passes my optics. It just seems very genuine. But you guys are sitting here you're talking World Series for the Mets like how do you guys? Not learn your lessons. How is it possible? That Mets fans do not learn their lessons. I am not. Was gone. Can you talk to God series feels positive? I'm I'm you know, the net the Mets win eleven and to last year to start. I believe so. Yeah. Yes. And there was some I was happy about that. And then till I saw some stat on ESPN that said that like only ten percent of teams eat started that way in the last thirty years or even made the playoffs. The Mets certainly held true to that. No. I don't I the Mets. It takes a lot to get me positive about the Mets certainly opening day victories not going to do it. But I the season seventy seven and eighty five other what I can understand the excitement they won yesterday to zero. So the finally learning to give degrom some run support that is progress last year he would add a no decision off of that performance for. Sure almost right. And I was really trying to help you through the block of HQ where that is one of the questions. Yeah. And you just gotta go. You gotta be irrational. And you got a after one game the formula worked. It's the Graham, and we haven't even gotten a four yet or Zack Wheeler wheels up. And so I think about that. So so the ground the formula work you got great starting pitching a great bullpen and Robertson Cano. The free agent acquisition actually traded. I believe they get they get to RBI's from him. Plus a home run. I mean Robertson Cano. What are you know? That's h I just hate the optics of an aging ex Yankee being met, even though Granderson was was really great for them are just. It drives me insane. I don't know. I mean onto that stuff like free agency is bio absolutely hang on. As the Mets jets. Knicks fan all I really have is to analyze how the teams are horrible. That's all I have. I don't get any joy in a victory, or I just get into the weeds of don't you outgrow that help me out here guys. Do you not outgrow at some point the not wanting the guy in your uniform because he played for another team that feels like a very immature. Sports fan viewpoint that you grow out of with maturity the opposite. The first seven times it happened. I was okay with it. When I get beaten down, and it just doesn't work out, and it's horrible, and you get very traumatized by their five month old babies in Boston who have experienced more championships than me and Hank have experience with the Mets. The Mets and jets. That's a Nick and next. Yes, it's horrible. Because because they won't listen, I think not signing Machado and Harper was probably the right thing to do. I I'm on board with not doing that. But don't have any money to do that. They're too busy paying Bobby Baena. They don't have any money to do this and paying us in y back whatever strange deal they have going on there. But. Why not just signed Derrick jeeter this point sign Maryono? I mean, just sign up signed the ghost of Lou Gehrig, Mike, Hank is one of these guys still get to the misty nostalgic on opening day. I thought all of them had died. No me. And Jim Brock Meyer. My alter-ego Jim Br I still, you know, opening day. I who is the sweetest of of life slaves. They'd you still for Mets fans. It's all we have right. Yeah. That family guy. Video opening day is the first pitch and the season is over for the Mets. But we have very fleeting second. Is hope. You're right. Yes. Hope for awhile Todd Hollandsworth on the Marlins broadcast yesterday said the best two words in sports is opening day. Now, I always thought the best who words in sports was game seven. But it got me thinking since everyone agrees game seven. I don't know what Todd Hollandsworth was on. Well, no he said opening day. No. He said game seven was the best two words. He said the next. Best two words are opening. Okay. So what is actually the next best towards because it can't be opening day? It's Super Bowl. I'm gonna say set hut. Set hut set. Hot is not as good as Super Bowl is it. Some people would take a game six before opening day. No, no, no. Put it on the poll at lebatardshow. What makes you missed your game six or opening day because because it used to be that the writers poets would wax nostalgic about opening day and what it means change of season. I'd rather have game one in opening day. Really guys genuinely don't care about opening him out of the only old white, man. That cares about opening day that it no all the old white men. Can't the only one to hear that problem is old black man actually because about opening day. You do. Yeah. You're a young black, man. No. If you say, so so good yea, I'm glad to hear that. It's it's spring. It's the right of passage. It's it should be a national holiday. It's it's lovely. You know, it's no nobody cares. My favorite two words in sports is let's get ready to rumble. King for some. You argue with that. You lose is what you do. You lose. You lose do not count. The words. His words don't count the word donlevatar. I would absolutely take down my own school as a journalist. If I find out that there was financial aid problems. We kidding me. I'm not hiding that story. I totally leverage that information for money felony blackmail. Stugatz. He's got to be the only radio personality in America who freely admits. Yeah, I'd commit. No, that's good. You got all the other spots have been taken. He's like serving the landscape on where can I plant my flag? I got this. Right. Nobody else wants this. Why is there? No one here. This looks like such a great land. I could just claim all fraud and crime worked out well DC's libertas show with his two God's on ESPN radio. Yeah. This is mostly snack from the Simpsons, which is sportscenter update from Wendy's. Dad ESPN radio presented by progressive insurance. Guests on the Dan lebatardshow appear via the shell Pennzoil performance. Whatever that is get triple action protection for optimal engine performance which shell v power nitro plush premium gasoline, I fell asleep in the middle of that very long. And now, here's chief Wiggham. Sportscenter update tiger wags lost to branch Snetterton two and one on the second day of the world golf championships. 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I just imitated him. Oh, yes. That was extensive my national connection. Imitate him. Well, do not Abed slows not bad blue. It's more Iraqis stupid Rockies. Joe? And salons actually more polished, then more like do not bad cinema. How about which is your favorite from among if you're doing an impersonation? I don't wanna turn you into a, you know, a trained monkey here. Already are. That's my job basically job description right there. Strained vocal monkey. You know, all my I stopped doing impressions a long time ago. So I'm like arrested in like nine thousand nine hundred eighty two that way up my favorite one to always do was young Eric Roberts, which is obscure probably most your, you know, who I'm talking give year. We are. So ready? We are so here hope aggrandize village Eric Roberts. It's hard to do it without cursing. But. They took my breaking down. Chanu? I took my thumb. I selected. Anka's areas with us. It's very good. I used to also like to do Mickey Rourke from back in the day again Popa Greenwich Village, 'cause Mickey Rourke now, it just sounds like a lot older actress sandwiches to just gravelly, but you know, back in the day used to talk like this. I don't understand why how do you get from this voice, the ultra ultra cool mellow tones of this talk. Yeah. Chino when a similar route young now godfather, Al right? Nice high calm voice chilling with rag new, but it was up here. And now. There's like a wounded. I don't know. He we have obsessed for ten years over the thing that he shouted at you in the chair in heat. He just he wasn't in heat in the movie heat. Yes, he is shouting because she's got a great ass. And he and I that I'm Mark is the tipping point on when Al Pacino went from movie actor to cartoon to took cartoon character. Yeah, he yelled because Donald. At me, which it terrified me. And if you watch that again in heat, you'll see it's all it's over my shoulder. I'm not on camera. But you see I just go Jesus. And he does that I'm not acting at all genuine terrify accurate. That was Hank his area. Asking Pacino not to hurt him. It wasn't in character at all. And then he actually add lived daughters. I'm sorry. Something happens to me when I think about. And all that say in the movie. You know, what happened there Michael man who directed that? He does like a hundred takes of everything, and I think Algis had lost his mind at that was like the ninety eighth time. He had to say, I need just started freaking out and yelling. And how about you? You just give slinging in the chair one hundred times you just had to take that version. I was young actor as it was one of my first things actually were shooting heat and the birdcage at the same time. And wow, those were the days. Yeah. That's what my glory days, frankly, and. You know, a always improvising a lot, and I didn't know if I could improvise back. I was too scared. And I asked Michael mention I improvised when when AL's. Improvising Michelman thought about it went. Okay. So the only improvised line of mine was Jesus who are now. Down me, and it made it into the movie, which was real absolutely donlevatar. It is an honor to be here at seeing poppy in person, you're like a Cuban iota. You're wonderful. Also, you have a normal shaped head which is nice because the question, though, what the heck happened to you. Jim. Stugatz America his head starts off. Okay. At the top. And then by the time it hits his ears. It just eight expands out. That's the calories usually have the world's only apple bottoms scope as the king say, it's T H SCC thick my friends, so good on you live with our show with a Stu gods on ESPN radio hankins area in studio with us birdcage the Simpsons heat Ray. Donovan Brock Meyer, the resume is impressive. I think you could have been on friends, you're close to being on friends your dishes for friends was on friends. I just addition to be Joey twice. It's the only time I ever asked to go back into an audition after they already had rejected me once which takes a lot of balls to begged that kind of rejection. But we all knew the show is going to be so good that I was like I gotta try again. And they they promptly threw me out the second time, very politely. And then they gave me the role of th Thebes scientists boyfriend. Did you you met the monkey? Yeah. You know, we were we were saying before I I don't mind being trained monkey doing. My voice is on the air, which reminded me of if you remember the first season of friends Schwimmer replayed. Ross had this a monkey Marcel. We hated the monkey by the way, absolutely hated in real life because the monkey would ruin all his jokes. You know, he would say a punchline, well, but the monkey would be hitting his face while he said they had to do it again, the monkey trained only up to a point. So in order to get the monkey to go where they needed him to go. His trainer was also at this trope Schwimmer crazy and everybody else the monkey was named monkey that was the monkeys name and the trainer to get him to go place. We'd go would put like little, berries or nuts place and go get it monk. Did he get monk getting monk get it in the middle of the senior trying to act so that would bother to? And so the monkey would go where the thing was. And he would eat it. You know? So now, I'm sitting near the monkey and I'm gonna catch the monkeys like right behind me. And I see the monkey sort of doing that thing that cats do before a hairball comes up, you know, like. Thing and the monkey and I'm trying to get people's we're in the middle of shootings, get people's attention. Like, I think the monkeys about have moment here and the monkey sure enough pukes all over the back of the couch. It's like throws up all his little treats. And I looked down and the the monkey throw up is moving it's moving. Okay. It's there's life to it. The weren't nuts and berries. He was eating live maggots that he was swallowing whole. And he just threw them all up. It was like alien you thought it was nuts and berries because. Yeah. I mean from a distance is a little fly maggots. And exactly why would I think it was. Live maggots that the monkey was swallowing. We were hated the monkey in real life or you breaking news here on ESPN radio that swimmer hated the monkey hated that monkey. Yeah. And I came to hate him too. Now arm with hindsight did they get the casting of Joey writes or could you have done a better job? To be honest. You know, they absolutely did at, you know, Matt LeBlanc in my opinion. In the often in the early days of of shows characters are finding themselves her right for people this and that so I was like I could have done better than that. And then in my opinion, not long into it. He became arguably the best one. He was hilarious. So yes, they got it. Right. Plus, he's he's handsomer than I am. And that's the role. Like that is you would never addition twice for anything. You wanted that sent? Yeah. Because you thought the show would you everyone felt the show was going to be that had no doubt that he didn't know that it was going to turn into like the Beatle mania success that it turned into. But had no doubt. It was going to be great that same year that NBC came out with friends they came out with ER and everybody knew that was going to be huge to right. It's amazing. How much that show? Still resonates. I'm surprised still holds up. I don't think it does hold. My kids are obsessed with that show. And Netflix played a lot of. Money for that show because kids are watching it on the pole Guillermo at lebatardshow does friends hold up because I don't think that friends does hold up. What do you got for us? I mean students what are you talking about? What do you mean? All it is is laugh tracks. There's nothing funny about that show. I wrote up at all now, I watch it. And I'll watch episodes for the fourth and fifth. I'm telling you, it's all my daughter's watch, and I'm still laughing at the same stuff. I was laughing at when it originally came out. It's funny, man. I enjoy it. It's gonna give a laugh track. Tell you when the laugh except when I'm on. I mean, right. You like, my style, my favorite episodes. Yeah. Only time it's redeemable. Are you steered of highly questionable today? The idea that you have to get on here and and have sports takes because Stu gods. He needs some help from you like what what are the questions on the show today that you think that Hank? What does Hank need to do to which question while the first question is why the hell should we listen to anything Hank his area says about sports well that he's got that? He can do that one himself without your help. What about ones that are more difficult will the Mets opening day win lead to a rational expectations from met fans like his area. Well, he could do that one as well. Okay. Because I wanted to take the dream have to say, yes, we think we're going to win the World Series. Okay. At one enough. Well, all right. I mean, I'll take that into consideration guy informed opinion. We went over the Knicks and David Fidel think we're good there did Purdue deserve to win or did Tennessee choke like zone. This is where it gets complicated. This right here is where. It's complicated. Because neither one of you know, anything about Purdue or Tennessee basketball. College basketball. I went to a division three school got his way through any college basketball conversation now keep in mind anything he says is not informed by anything. It's just research cheating from notes, and he can deliver for you on these subjects, you know. I don't know which one I'm going to guess God's would say choking here because he likes to accuse people of choking. Now. See, I know I'm going to go the other way, I think Purdue got robbed last night. So so I think what we saw last night one last Purdue one last night, but but Tennessee got robbed. They did not go. They got robbed even though they won. Now, Tennessee did not show Tennessee deserve to win that game. And so you got the best in the worst of the NCAA tournament. You got what we love about it? Which is we all discover this Ryan Klein guide together. Okay. That's the first time. We all discovered them together. Even Jay Bilas discovered them last night. True. The. Maybe it took that a little bit too far. But you cannot have the referees that Phalle at the end of the game did not affect the shot, and you can't have the referees. And a great March madness game. We're guys are hitting big buckets on both teams back and forth. Three after three after three after three both teams in big shots. You cannot let the referee decide the outcome of that game. That's exactly what happened last night. Tennessee got jumped that your take. All right. I mean, that's a better take than I have considering all my take would be as I don't care. Don't really watch. Fill out a bracket. So that was a lot more informed. Okay. So I think we've got a problem headed our way at four thirty eastern when Hank is area. No comments the questions on his show called the highly questionable. Because it's all about the answers to questions, our friend and Hankas areas friend, Tim Kirk shin will be joining us next.

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Things that disappear: Horror in the Information Age

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Things that disappear: Horror in the Information Age

"Hello and welcome to that sort of thing sometimes belated already dated guide to your teens tweens and everything twenty i'm elizabeth i'm karen and where a proud member of the podcast network powered by ATP i'm the other one hi john john hello welcome back actively podcast this time what are we gonna talk about spooky stuff yes we're gonna get scary up in this business you guys know that i don't like to be scared yeah yes that's why we're doing this brings us great joy so there's a saying in many internet communities if you put it online it's online forever and it's kind of a parable cautionary warning thing a common wisdom shared by people of my generation john who have witnessed lives destroyed by decade or tweets when france distraught after a nude picture scandal don't take nudes friends especially if you're under eighteen actually your crime don't do it and very wise anyway don't post it unless you're okay with it staying there these things don't go away hauser's except except they do speak lou welcome to the world of lost media john care to explain what we're talking about las media covers a broadway range range of subjects from a fifteen second video clip to tips from watergate initiative age lost me has become easier to find and their entire communities they hit the fighting and preserving lost bedia entire communities yeah wow okay so much abroad is just this and there's a what is it a wicky media media wicky yeah has little cute anime mascot girl actually no because john likes to sit beside me on the couch and show me random things things from the last media wicky it's interesting mom it is interesting to spooky anyway for the purposes of this episode we've decided to split loss media into two categories which is a little bit radical or unconventional for the genre but i think it better articulates what i wanna talk about some of the subjects that we want to discuss here era so can you tell us about the two types of loss media john lost material where context remains intact and we have more or less an idea of what the loss is but the media itself is no longer there could be a lost episode of a show or for a lost audio for show or another thing from his show because i cannot i cannot think beyond the concept of television shows shows any sort of thing that's lost from thing or a thing that never made it into the public sphere even though we know it existed in some form somewhere at some point okay so that's when kind and what's the other kind suzuki kind lost context the media or the media continue to exist but the context behind it disappears we don't know who made them we all know why the heavy layer of internet mythology obscures here's the truth extremely spooky spook outrageous but why but why before we talk about all those fascinating fascinating and spooky concepts here's a word from our sponsor obsers this episode of got to thing is brought to you by telus world of science edmonton home canadian debut of marvel universe of superheroes the exhibition runs until february seventeenth and add montana's the first and so far only canadian city ready to host it it features more than three hundred artifacts costumes props and interactive elements to bring the marvel universe to life and you will will be able to learn the story of marble and its influence on visual culture and see rare hand drawn images not launched media at all of iconic heroes suggest spiderman black panther and captain america john do what do you like about the marvel universe of superheroes they punch people uh-huh q. ever favorites marvel superhero wolverines pretty good yeah temples fun bowling ways ricin well so a week ago that exhibit and see the origins of characters like deadpool yes but you could see them because you like to relive the media right sure yes excellent we can buy tickets today and so can you tell us world of science edmonton dot CA before we get into what scares us mum what scares you everything okay i get audience i have a script here at i wrote in my script ha ha it's funny because the answer is everything i am a prophet okay but you guys have like a mythology but i'm usually scared as somewhat true okay i'm easily startled scared and and i don't like scary things those two things but i gotta say that in the pantheon of things that's scare me last media is not one of them yeah and i think that's an interesting kind of insight into our separate generations mum can you talk a little bit about what scared generation like what kind of horror movies were big the urban myths that you guys spread to each other any of those things and how maybe they connected to the environment you grew up in oh boy that's a big question okay so overhanging my entire teenage years was that fear of nuclear annihilation that kinda thing is scary right like things beyond your control and and the world ending because somebody pushed a button a problem anymore right moving on like how much did that oh it aids was thing right the during my adolescence and so the fear of saxe fear of the infection which i think you kind of see reflected in and solid the art of the time like there's a theory that zombie movies are like a stand in for for the aids crisis i never watched any of the slasher horror movies howard but the halloween jase and all that kind of stuff from my youth and all those sort of moral messages that made it into those slasher movies like the teenagers who go off to have sex with each other always he's got killed by the slasher right you can't move you can't be blocking a horror movie because you're gonna get killed by the slasher you have to be the final girl because everybody else is impure appear in there for dude yeah and that's why i don't like them also i don't like them for those reasons but mostly i just don't like we don't like slashing movies because intersectional feminist critique this house yes that's right yeah so can we talk about why you don't find loss media scary before we talk about why do i think it's because i grew up a pre internet and like to me most media is if not actually lost than effectively lost because it was obscure and difficult defined and and you needed a hard copy of it if you wanted it so it is not normal to me for everything for everything thing to be recorded forever right like it's just not spooky don't like i don't like it very very much like even on a personal level i have more pictures of you guys on my phone right now than ever existed of me and the pictures of you on my phone right now are the ones that have existed only since i got an i phone and figured out that he had upload to the cloud it's like not even your whole childhood of weirds me out and we're going to talk talk about why so broken down why the stuff is scary into three sort of broad categories the first one is existential said till dread very existential ready person read more lovecraft than i should generally fear banishing from from the face of the earth and the idea that stuff just vanishes from the face of the earth messes with my head of many people my age jonathan being the exception ah the social media presence is something of a legacy your instagram account your blog tick tock account these are your footprint on the world world people imagine seeing that disappear there are people who have devoted years of their lives to blogs or multi player they are games that shutdown and that stops just gone especially anything behind a wall is very difficult colt for things like internet archive or the way back machine to save and so that stuff can just disappear with no control of the person who made it and that's freaky 'cause i don't know how much like cool art was put on an unstable platforms and then is just no longer a thing that exists to anybody anybody including the artist yeah but when the unstable platform on which already existed was a piece of paper or or a canvas that could be lost is not the same thing i don't like it i'm not used to that idea because people make backups of everything people like t's people who don't make backups of stuff because i lost to computers was not my own bicycles for you anyway idea number two is haunting nostalgia algis spooky a lot of people are surprised that my generation has an astrologer but because media moves so quickly for us because at the internet we actually develop all of nostalgia very early and it remains a presence in our lives a lot john and i were talking about old games we used to play his DVD extras and how we're never going to play those again don't know if they still exist and can barely remember them but no they existed i don't like that one too yeah joining with like curled up on on the bed holding his had oh my god oh my god oh my god i forgot about this thing that was really cool to me as a small child like full midlife crisis everything everything is expensive all this to be like the tragedy equivalent of losing a piece to a jigsaw puzzle like okay okay anyway a lot of pieces of lost or context lists media create a feeling of tip of your tongue deja vu in the viewer which adds to the creepy level and then i'm gonna talk about the zieger neck effect ziegler zieger nickelback pat l. e. g. a. r. k. okay what is that so it's also known as the completion principle which is an easier name that they should have gone with i like the idea that incomplete information or tasks excuse stick in the mind more strongly than things which have been completed which is why a puzzle with one piece missing makes you anxious like if you ever look at a picture of a puzzle with one p smith and you're just like put it in you know that feeling and then it's also why people get really excited when animated screensaver it lends exactly in the corner of the screen have you ever done that like just looked at like computers saver that's bouncing around you like just hit the corner just hit the corner so you've never done this twice you human who stares at screensavers it's just to save your screen you're so practically we will because mom can't relate we will be the only valid clip of the office and the show now that's an for example if the exact situation talking about which is relatable to most human race as a result lost media sticks with people and we dedicate a lot of our brain space when you hear about a song and that's mostly lost for example that's more likely to get stuck in your head because your brains like i have to solve the puzzle even though you don't you literally don't have to do that and compounding the effect is our access to information in my generation it can be very difficult to convince somebody with what feels like all of the knowledge in the universe at their fingertips that anything can no longer exist people will dedicate years of their lives to these mysteries history is having faith that there's a file and archive along lost hard-drive that will blow the case wide open this can even lead to internet communities harassing people all over information that they think they have like totally innocent people who have no idea what drives people that crazy easy wow yeah with that info dump out of the way let's get into some case studies which is the domain of jonathan i did ask for this at the beginning of the episode you may have noticed something a little bit different about our theme song and we're trying to solve a little mystery ourselves john you wanna talk about the mystery we're trying to sell up here this is the most mysterious song on the internet originally posted to a number of forms in two thousand seven the original a poster going by us named blue with to us because blue was already taken presumably because what tickets they asked for help identifying the artists such artists behind the song which is a local german raiders dish at some point in the nineteen eighties for over a decade people in chasing leads to the in this mystery bordering on harassment of people involved with the radio station will play the full song log at the end of the episode in hopes that hopes of gain copyright strikes and finally solving the mystery universal music group cub up through does it belong to somebody probably not yeah it's not it's probably not real it's kind of public nick domain by fact of nobody being around to claim it as their property really interesting probably i believe from a legal standpoint i'm not a lawyer and i don't understand the adult world so there's definitely some nostalgia here because it's very three of the time like the post punk all cynthia you definitely cannot understand what the lead singer saying or what language they are speaking visible things when she's talking tamaki when i'm trying to focus on the important podcast we need to do i do anyway and there's dominantly existential dread i'd like to me i'm like how can you get your song released on the radio and still have no way of identifying who you are like i feel like released first off to the radio is like you made it but it's just like we don't know how do they know this was on the radio because the clip was posted from a radio station like a recording radio press record on their recorder because that's how we used to preserve las media in the olden days just didn't preserve lots and then and then it somehow made its way into this world of sleuths to say where did this come from yeah okay if it's on the radio why don't they know who you it messes with me and then there's a ton of zyuganov effect going on here because people seem to believe that this information must be out there partially because like radio stations kids kind of keep records like they information must have been written down somewhere at some point because the artist must have been credited after the song played yeah my my very rudimentary understanding radio is that you have to keep a record of what you play because you you have to like the royalties royalties are owed to whoever is played and so there's like a vast accounting system for keeping track yeah yeah so they're or like a billion places the artist theoretically could be found but none of these spots yielded any useful leads and they've just led to mass harassment okay what a sir asman going like why do people care so much that they just wanna be route to other people to find out well they aren't consciously being rude it's not not like one person seeking person out like you need to give me this information you need to give this information it has the same effect because like a billion people are e mailing the one person the question wants which is basically indistinguishable from one person like probably fifty fifty separate people saying did the song y- be weird DJ while he was on vacation the reply to the original emailer saying please post the stare at it i'm on vacation right now i promise i'll check and posted the song on oh my new radio show as designed back from vacation please tell people the stop emailing me and it's like that happens all the time to the people who side are you on are you on the side of the harassers or of the harassed the good guy there's there's no guy there's an innocent brutal mob people who've been obsessed by this thing but this one's so significant because it's been a mystery online for over ten years wow yeah so we hope we'll figure it out but also we probably will that's scary inside especially if you listen to it john will read some lyrics that we grab live from a potential translation of the song like not translation in changing the language we don't know what languages in probably english not share but but there are people who have been like trying to guess the lyrics we think the songs probably club like the wind but we're not sure john ticket away police don't sing like the went went you came here running you take the consequence forever whatever that means check it in turn it all and the sun will never shine they're a long way away in the subways of your mind check it in check it out it's the summer blues or with silo or moon terror terror it's reading you a true library anthem that sounds terrible yet not materially different than most lyrics from dance music over that time what's me in this one is i know the person translated to the first line is like the wind you came here right in or you can run but i definitely hear you can't run which i want to flee the room some people originally thought it was from a horror movie soundtrack because it just had that vibe it's really interesting wow okay i mean complete ism is not new right like the heart of every collector there is a desire to catch them all so to speak grass but i guess the the the the twist here is that but we should have we should have a record of it yeah there was definitely a record of it at some point there are are there theories though that this is like one like massive long control where someone made it up plant it just to see people lose their minds it it wouldn't be the first time that's happened but if it is they got bored of it very quickly because the original posters been completely absent absent for most of the searches history and i feel like it's not like there's not anything hidden funny in there or anything that would make it a particularly louis good prank and blink it's a full songs like that's a lot of work put into the mystery like honestly if i found out that the person who made it was opie doing i'd still consider that solving that mystery because there's the artist right right like they gave us a bunch of false leads to bug a. lot of perfectly okay people like y'all made a song just for this us let's kinda neat like make more music i guess ok without word of encouragement or they're more things so tell me about we have other case study but first we should talk about this we should talk about either we should talk about another sponsor this episode is brought to you by rural routes to climate solutions podcast that dives into the technology and practices that are both 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and search rich for rural routes to climate solutions wherever pods are cast that's rural roots are oh you t s to climate solutions and you can also find find out more information at our to c s dot c k steady to kiss kiss studied too hastily to what's case study to john what's the to us that's not real key this okay take a little bit about keita's dude he's a fabulous lab he he is four feet he has for he is a fantastic tastic face he's very handsome he watches k. this does not blink all right this is also a pin sticker uh-huh and usually when you have a pin or a sticker it is march for something that exists in some other form often animated yes does keates in the exist in that other form is real okay john let's get a little bit more specific here so what's the line the gita says part of called the land of tall can you describe the land of ta a little bit it's a kind of fantasy she line of things yeah of your witches wizards and see if he three oh rip offs okay so it's kind kind of dungeons and dragons ask your kind of medieval fish stock happening yeah okay and did the line land of ta like where does it where does this IP exist as they say mole for a long time nobody knew jonah rundown the story of the gita s- investigation poplar comedian who i don't know the name of one day searching pins on ebay and he found the gaydos the skews pin so sparkling within him like it does with every other person have you skied tov it okay and they went to twitter after trying to figure you're out what jesus is google doesn't know or didn't know for awhile and no one on twitter new the original tweet demanding answers was from june toy verse twenty seven teen after this tweet are slash unresolved mysteries picked up the story and after that became popular are slash geddes was formed wow like a whole wilson bread it just for this to focus exclusively on gita research wow after a follow up tweet seem comedian who i do not know the name of showcased his four guy he had several other pins by this point because keita's consumes all okay someone responded with the sticker sheet labeled bland of tar drink other fancy characters including keita's us keita's company called denison based in framingham massachusetts number of sticker sheet sheet with some of our stuff from the same time period raiders were able to contact the framingham history sadler received the lava information from them about jesus and the lands of tall and this thread a podcast about read stories and internet rabbit holes broke the news artist behind jesus had been found a man named sam sam petrucci the mysteries now that's neat thing gives us is partially solved but the origin of the pins wins are unknown okay so the company that made the stickers did not make the pins no there's no record of that company ever making penned and which means you there's sand pitchy reused the art for another product for some reason or somebody stored leaders design unacceptable okay just to recap for people who might not have been able to follow that thread fully like boomers i guess like the there's merchant there that exists like there's no property behind it it was made for other reason where were these stickers were these stickers distributed every originally that's also i know it's there as i was maybe vending machines things where you get the plastic balls has been used old emoji poop and size i see those a lot yes they make me sad about the state of our capitalist society so it was made because they couldn't knock off recognizable or they they they didn't want to use recognizable characters and thus get sued but they wanted to they'll attract little kids who would wind their their parents into giving them change to buy yes bingo but then it turns out that people like that character yeah horse you pitas is wonderful but what you just talked about their idea of it trying to imitate the kind of aesthetic of genre yeah tom lends it a huge nostalgia factor people listening right now i want you to go to our show notes or google or whatever look up a picture picture of jesus and i want you to look at guinness and see if he reminds you of something let's just take a second to that key to do this beforehand because now you actually have to context will be harder for you key e. d. i. ass yes okay everybody has some sort of association or in a stoja towards keita's happened to mom happen to me it happened to john happens to everybody you may have associated keita's with where the wild things are what are some other examples of things that resembles alphand old nintendo game like ninja guidon or or contra muppet pets yeah he has like sort of generic free the energy generic for keita i'm no wpro fundmentally misunderstood the basic structure of furry jesus is quadrupedal all furry curries are bipedal this is like a biological fail at very disappointed in her was not capital after it was small effort eight okay free thing okay so it's like you're thinking hedgehog night person in like tiger costs i guess tiger spectrum yeah closer to hot talk here okay yeah i'm glad we cleared okay so now coming back to this laws media thread here it feels like this one kind of has a happy ending for you guys that are disturbed when we can't figure out where stuff has gone or where stuff is come also no harassment right there was a brief period of harassment harassment i spent there is now no longer harassment because we figured it out by harassing okay but he's a happy story or not yes us okay why jesus we figured it out it's like the internet coming together and doing something wholesome at also be like i feel like i can i obviously don't know what is in sandwiches had both because he's a corpse in because i didn't know the guy but i'd like to think that that's it's a fun thing to have as part of your legacy is to have this thing that you made for a company like the eighties and have it just become this big mystery the story that people like fight to solve and then they do it everyone's cool i guess i mean yeah it is cool i part of me always wants to wonder why the internet doesn't use its power for more good if that's like of all the things that they could collectively do this this was it i don't know what i mean where do you want the internet to use its resources would you want her to her the sick i don't have any enemies yet yeah okay so i mean furry comment thank you for telling me and everybody else we you carved art gatiss into your jack lantern this year yes i didn't do a very good job you did a good job recognizably gatiss only if you know a heedless looks like you squint a law aw hopefully we get this episode before halloween yes we will post picture of artigas pumpkin so that more or less covers lost media of course there are tons of other examples john might digs him up and link them and the show notes he might not ought i probably won't work again we're gonna play the entirety of the most mysterious song on the internet at the end of this episode's if you want to hear the whole thing and and sake yourself by the weird ghost boyce with no name then you can do that or you can not listen to the log long soggy put at the end of the episode soot and let me just issue an earworm warning light doesn't like the song i really don't like a song and it's very it's very sticky like it really stick so eighty trauma trigger warn you may want to avoid listening to the entire sob like like the wind you can run away from six six okay is there anything else that we want to talk about oh yeah this is completely unrelated to the episode but i make art sometimes and i don't want it to disappear off the face of the earth i'm going to talk about it right now have you heard of ink tober mom i have heard of tobruk see that hashtag i haven't won't go wow you can learn can you tell us what tober is it's it's a daily challenge that is issued for october and everyday has a like a prompt like one word prompt is all right and participants are encouraged to drop something that reflects that word or is inspired by that word yet and then they post it on instagram twitter or wherever yeah for every day of the month buck tober in a lot of people use it as a chance to do spooky art but it's not exclusively spookier and it's really fun and cool and so i decided to do it this year and i did it by writing short pieces of fiction or poetry to go with every visual it'll prompt because i'm not much of a visual artist but i like creating world you are a good visual artist thank you i'm not technically technically talented i guess but what do you think of it i love it it's it's like i love micra fiction and and i love creativity like this and i love that you're like how like i i really like your stories and your origin is really cool and i am very proud of you for putting it out there thank you i've done in an schober for every day of the month except for the these last five or six days i'm working on a comic that's combining a bunch of props i'm gonna release all of that at once on the thirty first if i can get it done but there's a little backlog you guys can go through i've been posting them on my instagram which i should know the handle of eliza death yes yes so eliza EL is at a. d. h. y. easy yes and then i made twitter account specifically to put the stuff on and it's at capital m capital p. r. o. s. e. AT r. e. y. because its pros the tree like many pros etry as like a combination of prose and poetry because everything i do is a pun but if you all want to check out i'm doing an art and also my pumpkin is carved base someone of the images as i do for my introver- also looks very cool thank you i know that there are a lot of pulls on your time and your creativity tiffany to a certain extent from school so interests me when you take time out to give yourself homework on top of your usual homework well i i feel like if you're doing something creative for yourself and it feels like homework you're doing something wrong and i've never felt the burdened by doing it so okay i have one more question about while we're talking about instagram and social media in general because has it feels like your generation is often drawn to what i would call social media that built built on FM morality but but that what you what you post does not last right so instagram stories and snapchat specifically oh you come to mind for that whereas my generation or at least i will speak provide everybody who's my age but me personally i feel like why would i put all of the effort of creation into something that will disappear in twenty four hours while i think interpreting those roses points of creation maybe as misguided because people generally put art or things they put a lot of retirement to or events they put a lot of time into organizing they aren't trying to get people to come to they actually will put that on their main story and generally won't put that kind of thing on snapchat or they'll put it on snapchat but also in other social media platform i think snapchat and instagram stories are more dependent on information that has an expiry date like i want you guys to come to this party so i'm gonna take a snap of it but the party will no longer be happening tomorrow so there's no reason for you to see this tomorrow and feel like you've missed out on the party yeah that makes sense that's use case thanks thanks yeah but if you do a sick trick on the water slide at the party then you'd probably post that to your main story as well because you want a bunch people to see the sick tricky did at the party last night dot kind of difference and i also think because we've been told that nothing goes away there there is a kind of comfort in a thing that makes things go away even those companies absolutely heap that stuff there's no way that that data's going away it's definitely on the terms of service agreement somewhere so like continue to not post nude okay wisdom brigade thank you that was really interesting and i'm glad that we could have you on the show again john just me too okay so we will link to everything we talked about in the show notes which you will find at that's a thing dot transistor dot FM us can subscribe to our show apple podcasts spotify google podcast itcher wherever else pods are cast including the KOA app you can also find us and the rest of the members of the podcast network powered by ATP at alberta podcast network dot com we are on twitter at that two thing why EG and you can always email us a question or comment at that's the thing why g at gmail.com com is that everything yes thank sweethearts was spy god i at the uh-huh yeah it off uh-huh

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Roquois Interview (Cosplay Hobby Management)

"Here with Miss Requi- or. My name McCoy. 'cause I had for some reason I had to deserve earlier today I made some serve goof mistake were I set up to zoom events lately realized that I was like, okay. Why is there to six PM events on like Oh crowd I invite you to two things at once that's was not good to emails I thing. Yeah. Yeah around the line now. I don't know. But you Okay. I'm GonNa read you are costlier course, but also a singer songwriter which one came first. Samsung Right. Well, actually technically singer-songwriter then superhero with the cost playing and all the the NERD nerdy fandom. A did my first cost play at eighteen but I wrote my first song in the second or third grade. So yes, there are some converts or what made you what I guess since the singer Songwriter Kim I made you WanNa start out with that would really got you into music at I've always loved music. Literally like I used to say Maguire Church when I was really young and just listening to music throughout my entire life and always being that person who's like singing. In the back of the school bus or like riding little songs here and there about different stuff, and then it just Kinda grew as I got older and started venturing out into doing more going after it professionally and kind of working in recording studios and different artists and working with different musicians and stuff, and it just kind of escalated from there. Is that your day job like the thing that is being the bills for you? It's one of my the jobs will have an actual the the day job I work for a nonprofit and I do a lot of graphic digital media multimedia, design event, production so very kind of. Inclusive of so many different things and then I also, I am still writing on different producers artists. And recording my own projects and things, and then doing submitting things to like different labels and and td film stuff. So yes, it's like multiple full-time jobs. But music is is my my favorite? Awards actually I I find interesting. We mentioned. Mariah. Nonprofit. Look. That's not this is. Different Kaziro I'm Gonna I'm on your website he have a different Sylvan lakes and others pay Bell but what is the nonprofit because? I? My interest is that I'm also part of a nonprofit shady is i. mean it's got a cold AC- urine also with a nonprofit that nonprofit about so it's not like a nonprofit. Susan G Komen amid way, it's more like a business improvement district. So what we do, we do a lot of different events and programming and initiatives or Downtown Washington DC so likely when we do host events and things like that, they're all free open to the public we do different things for the community Kinda help you know keep the city you know thriving we bring different businesses and things to to downtown different kind of activation. So we also do like a big fashioning to wear. We're like promoting local designers, local talent, building the fashion economy here and that event is free to the public as well. So we do a lot of kind of different styles of things, and then we have a foundation where we like help homeless we have a homeless center where a lot of the homeless people experiencing homelessness in downtown. DC can come and take do showers and they can do their laundry. They can get services and you know kind of get a lot of support with you know medical getting their medical records or getting densification is a lot of different things like that. So it's kind of inclusive in all these different things you have the fun entertainment avenues than you have like a US helping the homelessness and also keeping downtown DC like clean safe. So it's it's it's really interesting organization We do a lot of different things for the city. You know how is that job for you? It's it's busy. This. So. It's it's actually really fun. Especially, events season is kicking off. We do so many really cool things. and it is nice to to really see the fruits of your labor especially with our homeless services division. So just saying a lot of people being able to get help open you know just just to be able to like have a place where you can wash your clothes is something like a lot of other facilities don't have. So it's really great to be able to provide that in in see the joy, it brings to different people experiencing homelessness. Wonderful hearing about that. I I mean this incredible I mean even if it wasn't something paid which. I mean. Are In that spot were will course the reason I. Should I do because I want to help others than now help the community but you know this is the stuff that also helping you the most financially then I take what you can do. So with this being a very busy like how does that cut into your time? are making music like how do you bounce all this that you've got? To be the singer songwriter that people when they go to your instagram account I. Well, it's definitely a struggle. You know especially with the area I live in, you know the cost of living here is so high You know which you know you have your, you have your day job and with your X. amount of hours, and then every other hour of the day you know after that is for me is music or cost play related or just nerd related working a started another company now with a friend of mine, and we're doing a big entertainment like company where where you know hosting events and things like that geared toward. NERD culture so it's it's a it's a whole. It's one thing to be creative but like me I have to always keep my mind going be active. So some days I'm in the studio all night working on music writing song some days I'm working on cost play and other days I'm working towards this new endeavor where a hosting Dope Beth nerd events. So. Lots of different avenues kind of to to to promote in share. But also like for me, it's it's just my three passions. Kind of coming together. You know being a singer songwriter and just kind of being a superhero in just my mission in life with the different things I'm doing and also just being. So and I'll get to how this good time costly. But what type of music do you produce for those? Who Don't know what's what's your style personality of being a singer and? Songwriter. So my my personal singer-songwriter side isn't artists. I ride in performed pop music, and that can kind of be a lot of different things have some some of my songs are more like a pop army by some of my step is more like a pop hip hop. Bye. But for me it all kind of falls under this pop umbrella and then when I'm working with other producers and other artists in writing for them, I've written anything from like idiom stuff to like country to Christian a pop music Christian, hip hop. So it's you know just depends on who I'm working with, but I've written a lot of different genres and have recorded a lot of different genres. So I want my on the wrong page emperor Gary I spent all day work in AD starbucks So I I am coming up here with exhausted I'm happy to talk to you as a Paul for me being slow on this but. I did see. Yeah. So you do have your say ray here going and the also your now actually. Sorry. My my mind is really a gentle right now by U got linked up, bio is named the website. On My instagram and that's just like shorten link to Kinda give you access to the different things doing I have music on spotify title. Apple. Music in that's on there I have links to Youtube different One of my anime music videos that I worked on with IS JATO end of my cover video did for Hercules it's just a it's just a short link to Kinda. Give people access to the things. I'm doing if they're not going to my actual website. Okay. So but I I'd see like you on spotify apple music itunes, Google play Youtube Amazon titled. Dis. Oh my gosh later every so many places. And neon something very passionate about by you mentioned of course, you're you're juggling through so much to were been definitely becomes harder to try to keep up with the music. But how do you like how would you continue writing songs and continue performing when you can? Make. Sure. You still reach that love that you got for singing. Well I mean Kobe did impact like the live show aspects? Kind of been more. So getting acclimated kind of figuring out the digital show kind of aspect. So that's something I'm still working on in it's a work in progress. But as far as you know making time to write music record like sometimes I just I just have to turn off I, just have to stop everything else I'm doing. You know you know once once the day job ends it's like, okay well, from seven PM to three in the morning, I might just feel like writing a bunch of music in working on stuff does it's kind of one of those things where as much as I wish I could have a daily schedule that that I followed to the T. Life isn't like that for me so I may be swamped with work. Monday Tuesday Wednesday but then you know Thursday night at eleven pm just like okay. Well, I'm in I'm in the zone I WANNA work on some music so I'll just have a home studio so I just turn it on just star working, and then I might be writing in working on a song till four in the morning and you know I might be super tired for work the next day but that's just that's just how it works sometimes. I mean, whatever can get the a Love for music out there. but to me, it turns out, it's paid off in some way because you got. Almost five thousand followers actually. Yeah. About to be thousand followers. But still that's playing people looking at what you put on instagram whether that be your costs play or your music and. I I wish I had time to play you one of your songs beforehand. I am deeply apologize for that I'll know it's okay. You go check it out and then you you let me know high feel about it. Yes. So I deeply by consol you're talented. I know that the look is like, what was that supposed to mean? Lady like every person I interview, I was get this feeling. Why doesn't more people know about them? Why aren't they? Their music played on radios why aren't they gain more recognition? There are things that I've been hearing over and over through Ireland that black artists artist had so much trouble getting noticed because of the under representation going on there and I'm not that familiar with the music scene to know what's going on over there whether or not. black musicians or getting a fair chance and other being on a radio being on a platform where they are mixed cloud as an example or some other platform were they play music of besides the? Of course, spotify in all those other platforms I'm talking about when people turn on the radio could possibly hear your. I. Think it's very similar on this side of the pond to come You know just as an indie artist, you know, for example, I can only speak about myself like it is hard to kind of get out there get radio plan this that and the other because you know when you're indie artists, the only budget you have is whatever you've invested into yourself. You know I don't have a major label backing with X. amount of dollars I don't have you know five or six silent partners. I don't even have like a whole marketing team for myself everything. I've done you know or or the every every step has been step I've taken myself so like you know even my. Came I. You know while I worked with a a great a company for my photography. The graphics and everything I did myself. You know every bit of graphics you see on my social media on my website you know I myself. I built my own website. I pushed you know my own distribution through. You know through Indie Service, even like the press releases in everything from my album or for you know different music and things I've done has been what I've been able to do myself. You know. So when you are in the artist and you're kind of doing it all, it becomes very hard time consuming. You know when meanwhile you might have artists that got picked up from Labia today but yet they have a team of twenty people were able to kind of do do these things push these things out and so you know it's it's A. Different like you know it's it's Kinda something where yet hard. But I still love that I've been able to do it and also kind of one of those things whereas artists you're hoping that you know you are hoping that more people take notice or some that one person is like, oh my gosh, this person is amazing. Check them out and they blow up you know but until then you gotta I gotTa, keep moving forward and do what I can do do whatever I can for myself in. So I can be proud of you know wherever I. That is a good. Of Motivational, thought, to have. because. It's gigging people possibly ten years or so to get into where they are. You never really know in that success comes keep trying hoping for the best earliest just keep doing for fun and not thinking what gets your mindset in the right place the motivation keep bit up a not a feel burned our or anything. Oh, you're gonNA feel burnt out. What That's the given. I've been burnt out quite a few times but once you know once you brought down, you just got you take us short break and then light the match again. All unmanly, Berta me as in you just don't WanNa do it anymore like Mike. Okay, this is not I don't think that'll happen for need like I've I've gone through I've been pretty crazy things within the different industries especially with music black I. I've I've had song stolen I've had people screw me over every which way like I've. Had experience lots of it didn't Stop My love for music than stop me from going after like my dreams ambitions. So I think some people in some situations really do cripple artists into where they feel like you know what I'm just done with it but that hasn't happened for me and I don't WanNa use the word yet 'cause I don't feel like that will ever happen no matter what crap comes my way you could be seventy years old and you say, yes I am going to sing my hurdle. Yeah I need as possible you. There's so many artists in in people now, who are who are you know forty plus fifty plus who are just like you know what this is i WanNa do this and they're going after what they WANNA do and and you know some of them are popping off so it is not really about like. If you'll be famous or anything overnight it's more. So like you know we'll do you have what it takes to fully strongly go after something you WanNa do because you believe in yourself and you want to do it. So that brings us to Koss play which I mean I'd bet this part is just a hot unless you are making money out of this too. Now I I don't make any money off the cost us anything I'm dishing out more money. Every. Then costs play out of their. Costs player musician graphic artists. Is there anything else laid dude jumping like? Do is within three. It's it's music fashion art related like not those. Those are those three things I don't really do much outside of that. It's like I do so much but it's all within those three categories. You don't bike ride algis. Outta dancer bike ride a new. Williams. Doing random stuff out that. That's what I do a BS. Cost play like hospital I that's. Halfway has always been a part of my life even before I knew the word cost play. Right, so I mean going from I. Guess Halloween parties to now just want to go to conventions and costs play I would figure be been to so much because they're our. Friends I. Have I go to Kansas with over here in Dallas they know about you like I looked at our mutual followers I'm. Holy. Cried I had no idea that these people knew about you. Knew about me. They're telling me. Terra, a terror form tear former costly. A yeah. I don't know them personally but. The their handle and they have some basic. Featured, on the abused Orcas you just basically fall by people you don had really good laser. I thought actually. Content and you know when people find, you may share you and I'll see it. You know see the tag on my own my gosh this is awesome and if they me out definitely followed them back and then but for me when I'm following people like I, it's because I want you and I'm interested in their their content to those not just the you've followed me off all you back type. Okay. Good good. Don't do that I I'll tell you lady i. that's all over. Even facebook were people go gate drop the link of your podcast. We're and I would do that and they'll say, wow, I thought your podcast was the best. It was the most amazing thing that I ever listened to. Now, go listen to mine and then they'll bring up a photo where it says like subscribed or followed but. They're actually applying their own podcast and then you go look up in there are no new reviews added. So people like to punks and trick you into thinking they're going to support Differences between people who are like I genuinely check out your content or something like that and return the favor bursts the you know just follow me up I'll you bag but I'm not gonNA check out anything you do you know for me like I I don't cost play or any of that stuff to like you know for the sake of being recognized or anything I just do because I want to but if people like everyone who's ever shared, Mike. Content or like you know posted a lack are comment I, I make a point to thank every single person I'll go I'll literally go and sit and write comment back. You know to everybody who's left me a comment and a Lotta Times. I'll go and check out pages and you know check out what they're doing, lead them comments and stuff like I I really value that as not just an artist but just a human being so like you know. The very few times like I what am I Kind of blew up it took me like a whole week to stand right every single person back like shared commented and my fingers were hurting but like it was so satisfying. View recognizable characters you dress up as from the goof- goofed is a goofy movie. And then you mentioned Hercules Hercules covered there is actually a Costs play of Meg I. Think No, it was That reminds one of the singers. That Hercules cover I did I cost played as meg in the video and all five of the muses. Her you multipliers sulphur, those Irvine. Video editing. But I changed my outfit and my hair for each and every causeway. So that is or ever. So I literally like I keep pushing that view I please please show love this video because I worked so hard on its. Mystic. So long to do and then on top of that recording the song and singing it and everything. So. Does that Song monetize or is that just something you put out for? Itself even on us like for example, if you get a million views, if really not monetize because I don't own the. I. And everything but the mental behind it I don't it. So I can't is it. Got I was I I guess I was thinking about late people making those fan made. Music videos or music dubs than they monetize by guess in the whole. Youtube them so I yeah I gotTa Stab. Organ Zohar. That's Still. Not, guzzlers. They were tirelessly on new costume and just refund like they don't. Really. Think, about they. Do. This thing called con crunch. Everybody knows about the punk ranch like whether you're a first-time cost player or you've been calling for like fifty million years it's it's one of those like you have an idea you want to work on you still you work on it and then you're like Oh crap the constitute as an I still have half half the finish I've done that quite a few times. Yeah. I mean I always thought that will why don't you? If you have an idea for costly and you wanted to be brought to new commences Awami do ahead of time. So then when the convention happens in your IRA for I guess I see you people doing con crunch than, Hey, you I love. Coming up with a mystery Gospel at the last second that's why that not even that. Sometimes it's like you know you're you're working people have day jobs and lives in kids and things like that, and they try to work on things little by little none of that. None of that then. then. I. Don't know that might be that they might want to kind of look into their own. You know how they're managing things but. If they don't have day job kids. Now the other stuff I am curious how how they're making money, but like to tell, let me know. Day Jobs Lady that you dismiss this of the Kim Derek. Yeah. Well, I mean I think the pandemic has given creatives. especially. Acted with their jobs being affected, it's giving them time to be more creative like feed I a lot of people a lot of other costs players who were like, Oh, I have so much time to of you know think of these cool ideas and you know and and they do their own photos the share on social and I love to see that. I mean that is a great motivation I mean yeah. But that's the thing. Is that jobs hard to? Come. By but this is the time to be creative and I think in a weather not you make an hour through the years the year of Kovin at the very least it's a great start and you have a jump stern during the things that you want to accomplish. So I mean there's there's something to an and what I meant like none of that I mean like maybe you do have a day job, but you don't have kids or some other. Guess people work on different sort of lives some them are married some don't some players are like single and they don't have kids in there like forty or sixty years old. Them but I I mean there's no said that Oh that's awesome but you really disappointed like all g Virgins, what do we do with them? There's no there's no blueprint of being a cosworth though I think I think everyone experiences the con- crunch like someone could have just completely finished their costly a month before the Khan and then two days before the Condo I want to add something you know that would become crunched for me. You know like that there's so many things that are kind of going into it but I think the fact that everyone kind of understands con crunch and things like that. It's Just, it's just another thing cost players have in common that they can kind of relate to regardless of how busy or not busy their lives are. I mean, regardless of what you're doing and. Disney the type of character like is, Disney. The property that you like to go for your costly because I'm seeing a lot from Disney whether be Hercules the. Movie there's One I think I saw blew up on facebook too because I remember seeing this photo view as a dark wing duck. This on facebook. Yeah. I think I saw post very similar sharing a black cops player dressing up as doug made it someone else I don't want. Them people think I'm racist but That's that's definitely Mike. Play. Urban innovation is the photographer who shot who shot that. Work. Could be someone else could be like some other person who dressed up as doctoring documents who also happen to me but. I can confirm that that is indeed me. Okay. Because otherwise. THAT IS YORK. Disney. It is not. I. Mean. Don't get me I love Disney but it's it's just a coincidence that like a cup, the past couple of costs was done have been dizzy related my one of my other popular ones in sailor moon. So which is it's not Disney but it's one of my favorites or give it to. Yeah, it's well, it kind of. It kind of blew up on facebook because a group of friends and I we all did a like a pass, the brush challenge with all the sailors. I know those is one of those. beyond costlier, just GonNa go your will we really did we pass the Tiara early? All was also related it's all my g TV but that one that one was shared a I think we got over seven hundred thousand views on that one that kind of was crazy between all I. think it was ten of us we all got together and did that and so a super fun. So do you sleep passes? Kiara. Do they like Pat. Jarrah bring it over to. The next person and then they just tossed the tr screen and the are bouncing back. To drop the TR, and then we did a whole like transformation sequence in order from the series. So it was it was really fun or go. All all the transformation thing is cool except when it comes to the paint, the brush I just get this feeling lake someone is disliked putting 'cause it's at the screen like someone's brushing your face with the brush goes. Aired watch one of these pass the brush and then when laze go I, was like oh my gosh, my face oh no, it's on my phone. Okay. Do you know how transport? It's the fun. The dudes. Lately I I like to act like a fool. That's what that's why I do is podcast. There's one guy thought that would make the super series of because I am advocate for black lives matter. That is a true thing and I didn't even I want to hold time not even asking you about Have you gone through I? mean a that's something you want to save. You've gone through any issues. A discrimination. Blackhawks player. Or musician yeah. SBN Black Just. Being Alive while black I've definitely experienced. Different things as costlier. Yes. I remember till lay animation shared my sailor moon cost play on their social media, and then you know there was a couple of not so nice comments. Regarding the color of my skin but hey, I'm I'm just like screw you I don't know. What it is like showing, show yourself if anything like please put your cell phone blasts and show show everybody how you really think and feel and move So you know so that way you can be exposed but other than that I mean the amount of love that I get in versus the amount of hate it totally overshadows bait so it doesn't even faze me anymore. No that is awesome. LemMe you deserve all the love for just. According. To your. Yes. Yes. Oh my gosh this is such a weird thing transition so I looked at my computer. It's like okay is it is it gonNA happen or something bad to happen and you're like you can still hear me and then you're about to talk and then the computer went the and. The the frowny face airline cookie speaking gibberish. What what. The sorry there was a little cutout gone and thankfully everything that we talked about is saved. It's converting just going slow I WANNA stay as while I was waiting I did actually get to listen to your music I listen to the Hercules cover. You sound of Houston fantastic lady. So I'm glad that maybe this was a good thing that the computer crash. So I got an excuse to build you a quick look over what you do your music and not not look over your music. But still you are very talented by even if I were going to just blank the music, our cost player. And just the work that you put in and as we were going to mention before. Everything cut out that you perform live on -able. I guess. It's a little marching band or there was a lull live performance done. It was actually the the National Cherry Blossom Festival. So that was aired internationally. And in Japan? So you, you're able to accomplish so much even when you say that you have to juggle through all these other things that you daring. And now, you said that you're you're currently working with. Someone to. Host events revolving around entertainment and all that since you're near this involves era as cops player any musician that's an interesting thing to ask is like cow do work those things you enjoy into what your new role is. At the being this right you mentioned. Amin, it's. It's kind of I. Guess a little easier access just you know taking two things I lacked putting them together and then collaborating with. Other creatives in in the similar space and you know just kind of making the happen. Undestroyed product here I mean all those things that you're doing and just bringing a era being able to connect with other people and them seeing how great you are as a cost slur as human being as a musician as. Yeah So where do people volume up before this phone decides to do the same thing my competing. Ted. Long ago and he said, where can people follow me? Don't don't you want people to look. Of, course, of course, everybody watching you're listening you guys check me out any social media platform twitter facebook instagram at record that R. O. Q. U. I. S. and you guys can put my name in to your favorite streaming platform whether spotify title Apple Music I tunes at reqeusted B. R. O. Q. U. S. and that's kind of how you guys can reach me I'm on Youtube I'm pretty much any and everywhere on the Internet. So. Just look my first name up and you guys will find me and feel free to leave me a message drop comments. And I will definitely respond back is amazing. You are too I want to be. Connecting with so many people of color it's it is overwhelming. I will admit but I mean I love doing it because I bought. And you're all are very, very special. and. Narrow that let anyone tell you that you're not you're. You're. Wrong nights doing on the. Computer crash and I. Was starbucks yelling at someone for not putting a mask on. Alex Okay it's just one of those days. One of those days at. Anywhere grilling tree slashed modify a base like instagram twitter all that underpants sell acid another time. This mentality that you're very wonderful and I just one. Taken time in interest in interviewing, meet today or.

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3/31/21 - Hour 4 - NFL In Germany,  A Buzz Kill, Poor deGrom, An Update, MOTD And NFL Draft Talk

Boomer & Gio

37:42 min | 7 months ago

3/31/21 - Hour 4 - NFL In Germany, A Buzz Kill, Poor deGrom, An Update, MOTD And NFL Draft Talk

"I know you're going to like this and tell me why they're doing it and it's gonna be impossible for me to argue it but i i love the fact that we're talking about more international games in the nfl. I don't like it because one of the things that i don't wanna hear if i'm an nfl team that's having a great year and then my team has to go play a game in germany and they come back and they say you know everything was going fine but you know. We got the jet lag. Germany and didn't work out on season wasn't the same since then well. They usually put those games in conjunction with a by. Dad doesn't matter it's too much travel. I want to germany to play a game really for the nfl fan in this country. A game in. Germany doesn't do anything for i understand. You want to squeeze every single penny. You possibly doubt it. Does it gives you a sunday where you start your nfl. Viewing time at nine o'clock in the morning and go all the way until midnight. Yeah i mean that doesn't that doesn't really do it for me i'd read. I mean you've taken away home games from fans i know. I know what you're going to say. Oh i do this nine home games. You guys you say oh. It's good for the league. They're expanding the brand. You blame for doing that. I get it the whole deal. So like the jets have nine home games this year. Yeah and the giants have eight home games and nine road games in the way that they're doing it as the afc north. I mean the afc east in the nfc east or crossing over. And they're doing it on how you finished in your respected divisions last year. And that's how they're gonna do and they're going to alternate that. Afc nfc crossover. You know every year. And that's and that's how it will be so the jets while the nine home games this year and their ninth home game will be against the philadelphia eagles and for instance wash football team was number one in the nfc. So they're going to visit the buffalo bills. Okay i see what germany. So i don't know i don't know if those games are planned out just yet i think those gave. I'm assuming the london game is probably planned out but I know the schedule is is being worked over a thousand which ways i just wanna go to germany. No not really. And they're not getting paid extra either by going germany. And here's the other thing too like anybody who is signing a contract this year within the nfl is signing the contract with the understanding that there are seventeen games. Did you go to italy and teach little talion. Kids the game of football. I did majority any of those kids. Make now giovanni cozzi. Now now but i did become friends with the guy but never guido guido got that we go by. He's still with us. Guido guido is still with us and he is a sports reporter in italy. Oh really yes. I wonder if i run into him at a super bowl. Do you say hey we got to remember beneficially lino venezeula lagat. Yes it's me boomer. You remember me. Yes so nineteen eighty-seven you were trying to grow the brand even back then. Yeah it was amazing. They put me in al saunders. Who at the time was the head coach of the san diego chargers and they put us in south so majority italy and There had to be two hundred people that showed up. Okay and just me and him and very little english spoken and you know so you know how eddy becomes a chameleon accent and your. That's basically what happened. And yes and then by the end of the week and i both had to pick the best players and put a team together to play a semi professional italian team and the team. If i remember correctly i think was like the kick kick. Now you're razorbacks okay. And that was a friday night. Game or saturday night. Game in the middle of south slav majority celso so majority and there were about fifteen hundred. People showed up to watch good time. Doing it was unbelievable. That sounds like how long were you. There probably ten to twelve days of the nfl approach about that. I was with the nfl. The nfl had an international thing. Going on. that's when they had just started. There was no international football games yet. Yeah i think there were but yeah that was like the first foray into some sort of european american football camps it was unbelievable is so there's also majority of south of milan by about maybe an hour and a half back and remember drive time. Did they send other players and coaches to other parts of the country. Do the same thing. I i don't i i don't remember that but i'm sure other players have gone to mexico. I'm sure other players have gone to germany and maybe even Barcelona bar falen luna. Yes barth faylona so. These were paid appearances. Yeah they're pretty good so all all fully first class. Everything was great. Yeah i think. I told you the story about when the patriots did i group of aspiring japanese football players. Yes and my friend and old co host. Josh miller was the punter. The patriots was asked to teach the japanese players had a punt and he taught them the wrong way to do it to punt with their off leg and in his reason was he didn't want them to take his job he goes he goes you know how dedicated those guys. He's like. i. I don't wanna be the impetus for like pre punter in the nfl now. They're coming from australia. They are with the aussie rules. Guy yes i mart. So like a contingent of japanese punters out there. That are doing it the wrong way. Because they thought they learn from a super bowl. Champion the coaches. Say anything josh. 'cause he was just nearby him say that just left him alone. Walked away thinking they learned how to punt. That's great all right. Let's go to sherman in manhattan. What's up sherman bull market morning. Good morning term. What's happening i got. I got two points on bridge With your producer. Al dukes and first of all i'd like to know with forty seven minutes left in the show polio. In with with our special guests now we decided to scrap it. We're just having some fun. We're just we. He's not actually trying to get the guests. We were just having some fun. Picking some names out of the hat. But you've got some your other bridges with the baseball buzz situation chairman. Oh bonds i gotta tell you wanna unlike fifteen class amigos. I'm like motorola nineteen ninety seven page. You're going up new york mets opening day tomorrow. The grandma and the bump. It's going to be awesome next thursday. I'll be there city field. I'm so excited. I was lucky enough to get tickets. I've called beers talk. You can peppers it's gonna be great. Maybe deavere say that's what i'm talking about. Yeah def got buzz. It's a personal thing. Obviously there's lots of people that have laws about the season. There's others that don't but algis right now. He's at a point in his life for these things bothering them. Sounds like he was trying to talk himself into the buzz. I always been by himself for over a year. It's definitely taken it's toll. That's why i need to back. I'm happy to come back. I'm looking forward to coming back. What does that. What does it say. Landscapers capers out. What's great about this. But it really does look like. He's in the control room but then when he talks. You hear the landscape very comes. How much is your condo for you for that. My condo fees are three something a month really bad not great i mean but it's includes garbage and landscaping right in that kind of stuff. Yeah no yet about security putting a new roof on the place. Seattle like it. Covers everything cessna. Yes all right so in something breaks in your condo even though you own it someone comes and fixes it or no in my condo. No that's my. That's my problem that your domain by domain in these walls. Bathfitternw there exactly hilarious. I feel like you're paying three hundred dollars a month that it's something breaks in a place you'd better be somebody that are coming out. When does that go. I don't know if you have a mortgage or not. But i'm wondering if there's any taxes taken out of that three hundred a month i don't know how that works. I do have a mortgage. And i do have real estate taxes on a mortgage. Oh you didn't pay cash for drop below to cash mortgage yup cash deal. Subaru hatchback duffel bag. Here's a guy who actually agrees with you. Chris in westchester chris. What's happening chris the morning guys. How you doing all right on. Okay so listen buzz novas. We got no bus going on right now. This lynn door. He is killing the whole buzz situation by not taking this contract and so i definitely agree with how i had no interest in the season. This is going to drag on this. Has freddie coupon written all legitimate offer by the wavelength. Dora accepts the deal before the season. Are you changing your stance on the no buzz. Because he's already killed the buzz and it just seems like he's just taking it for just to appease the people. I have a prediction okay. My prediction is this. He does not sign and he gets booed opening day. Might be a by fifty four hundred fans yes. I do think that's a possibility because fans will be upset because they think oh you don't wanna be met. They made a good offer. This is not. This is not a free coupon fred. Wilpon waste oh. This is a legitimate oil. He the mets offered francisco for the second most average per year salary in all of baseball. Actually a smart offer if you ask me but you know if he does one signed on one side. It's on him. I mean there's no deferments as you pointed out earlier right so that means that when you're looking at average per year it goes mike trout one francisco endured and don't forget they're paying him this year and then it's ten years so essentially he'll be here for eleven years so he won't what he wants. He wants twelve years on top of this year so he wants to be here for thirteen years. Sure they're not going to do that. This is what that guy chris in westchester. I believe just as down on the sport period because he had a problem with lynn door. End the mets. You can't have a problem with both of them. In this situation you would have problems lindores. Not taking the money or the mets not offering him enough so to me you just long a trade for him and your well in the pan the money this year you can't you can't make a trade for a guy like this and not keep them and that's the leverage that he has every right to do so sure very much each the morning show with boomer science and gregg giannotti boomer and geo. You're going over some numbers in the pre could make you love those numbers jacob. Degrom how much money is career to this point. This can't be right. The number you just talked about thirty four million up to this point remember last year. They didn't make all their money because they had a truncated season so everybody had to take a haircut. Thirty four million. For jacob degrom in baseball spot. Track as i'm looking at thousand right but he moves He was only making he was making nothing. Signed a five year deal for one hundred twenty one hundred and thirty seven point five million dollars and there is a six year in that deal. Where that's a that's a club option in two thousand twenty four he also has an opt-out after the two thousand twenty two season. Yeah i'm just saying in the entire way. He has deferred money in his contract. For instance going door is not being offered deferred money. I hope he was able to get a stimulus. Chick very fun in the grand scheme of baseball. Think about it. This guys want to cy. Young runner up for third and in trevor. Bauer is gonna make more this year than degrading his entire career. It's around in his thirties. Look man this is how ws best moves right here. Sure well the only good move he made because you made one of the worst traits in the history of sports forty broadway was a lot better last year that he was that the previous year and then of course we Robinson cano is not here. Still a really really bad trade. it was actually Article written some baseball. Whatever writer did a whole thing. On the mariners. Trade that trade change the whole culture there in seattle. They went from doing bad business all the time to good business that was the impetus that terrible trade at the mets made our world exactly well. We'll say they're on their way jarod kelanic. Mvp could smell mvp coda. Jerry and his update is also got moment of the day. What's going on jerry brought to you by monmouth university. Top five in the nation for access and excellence. Learn more at monmouth that edu slash exceptional. Since you're talking about the grandma and the mets found it very interesting. So here's pete alonzo. I don't wanna say much of his conversation with the media yesterday. Surrounded around for instance goal endure in his contract but there were certainly enough of it and he was asked if a player is worth that kind of money. Three hundred and twenty five million dollars which is what he's been offered by the mets. Lose the blair mike. you're shortstop. Yeah i mean paying four hundred. Yeah he says lindores special only does he have the quantifiable numbers of a superstar. He has the x. Factor the x factor factor guy. It factor x factor. Same thing i would think x. factor in it factor or the same thing. Yes jacob degrom has the fact right absolutely. He does just not flamboyant no. He's just very understated and he just goes out and does the job. And i found that interesting because you many times you guys have discussed the fact that he's getting paid what he's getting paid barriers getting more and then all of a sudden. The mets are going to give door this amount of money. At what point does ego renegotiate in the eight minutes that i heard i think it was the entire thing. He wasn't asked one thing about linda. And the contract. And a lot with alonzo. I thought that was interesting. The ground that way right so in in twenty twenty his base salary would have been twenty three million yet a two point five million dollars signing bonus and for payroll yet in the justice salary down because of the pandemic obviously this year. Twenty twenty one is base. Salary is thirty. three million. Five hundred thousand. That's not bad he's gonna make more money in one year. Almost the same amount of money saying here. That's what his any signing bonus of two point. Five million around payroll salary actually is going to be thirty six million this year period with our friend. You give me your first question. Comes from bruce beck. Hey jake. i don't care how many times you get an opportunity to start a season. Does it still feel as a a big honor to you just to represent your team in the opener. Huge on her and he gets the start tomorrow night and wash their bunny. Get your kids. I love bruce. He's bruce beck is on literally every video conference known to man. Here's james harden. First question bruce. Back jacob degrom here he's everywhere respecting pressing. Because they know the question that they're gonna get. He always gets the first question because everybody knows it's going to be some lips respects. Not yes and it's not. Always the i. I'm just saying he's on everyone it's like when does the i have some downtime ceelo. We're doing that and they saw chris lopresti your question. He'd still be going right at the five minute question. He does have some lengthy questions as we have no question well so the mets are in washington tomorrow night and the weather forecast at first pitch forty two degrees twenty five mile an hour winds. That's going to be awesome now. I try to get tickets man. I didn't get him in washington. Yeah track down. There could be great you. What what's the amount of money that you would have to get paid to sit through that whole game outside off here. It's yeah i'd have to do it like in one of the suites. No no no. No no no sweet sitting in a seat. I'm saying sitting in a seat ninety entirety of that game first pitch to last out in not in appearance. There's no but you just had your but somebody's paying me to do this. Somebody's paying what would be the number and someone approached. You do a naked. No no you'd be able to dress warmly. Bundle up. What would be the number. I would say -servative -ly ten thousand and then an inning. Yes yes we'll get out of here. You're going to say i'm not going. That's the point. I'm gonna make going to say ten thousand any wanna give you ten thousand a day. I'll go if that isn't the anti advertisement for baseball. Opening ninety would have to get on amtrak and i would have to go down there to nationals park. Just saw what happened down. There didn't you. Yeah yeah yeah yeah. I don't give me another bad story on me for the band. Didn't see jack that's for sure what happened there. Don't even get them going. Don't get them go all right. I don't know the story all right. What if it was city field or yankee stadium. You don't have to get on a train. You're not going anywhere. Do i get to get the sushi yankee stadium. We'll let you go for sushi. Wants i mean as long as i can go downstairs to the five star restaurant in and and have some stop mangold with the hobnobbing with all the the people. The important people in new york make all the decisions. Yeah i'd love that only five thousand ending for that experience. Only five thousand ain't for that. And i want a car service. Wow yeah. I don't think you're going to be going to any games. This year doesn't sound like an while. The yankees will start with the blue jays tomorrow afternoon in the weather forecast Not not very good. We hope it does. I mean i'll go in july and august. I get it i want wanna go see the mets and phillies monday or tuesday night. It's just the weather does not look warm. It's gold sitting out there. I do agree College basketball we have reached the final four. Ucla they do it yet. Again and bell takes the basketball dickinson looking fires. It turns players at three the win. Good off the back of the ram and ucla has wanted from. I four to the final four beat michigan state early on and here. They are as they take down michigan. They wind up winning fifty one forty nine as they advance really an incredible story Here was john howard. His team comes up just short. We know the injury to isaiah livers certainly is hurt them a little bit but still very close but so far even basketball. There's one or two possessions that can really help you or hurt you and for us you know. We came up short. They missed like every shot down the stretch over the last couple of minutes so their season is over. Ucla will get gonzaga in the final four. Is they wound up beating Usc my nineteen so gonzaga. Thirty and oas. They go to the final four on saturday and that will be That will follow the houston baylor game and also gonzaga. Usc there the official. Bert smith right lapsed. I believe i believe he's okay. I don't even think he went to the hospital He was alert and doing better afterwards. Just an update their nba wise. You've got the nets and rockettes tonight. We'll have it for you on the fan at seven fifteen. The knicks are in minnesota tonight in terms of the local teams. You had the hawks lose to the sons so that helps the knicks. A little bit hornets. Jump a half game ahead of new york with a win over the wizards and the sixers lost the nuggets. So the sixers nets tied for the top spot in the eastern conference nets basketball. Coming up on the fan tonight. After the carton and roberts show Nfl wise. They make it official seventeen game regular season. You're going to add that. Non conference game believe. The giants are playing a game against the dolphins. Here's roger goodell. In terms of the added schedule he says well it's an added schedule but not really a twenty game format. That was something that was important to the nfl pa and was part of structure of our cpa. He says i've ever played in a preseason game as opposed to regular season game. No he hasn't now. I understand why they did it. They have to grow the pie in the summer where they could do it. They have to create a whole nother. Tv package and they also added obviously the teams to the wild card weekend which i thought was fantastic last week last year. But you know if you're a player this year the salary cap has gone down sixteen million or seventeen million dollars and you're signing your contract. I do the players know that they're actually playing seventeen games when they're signing all these free contract. Yeah well alvin. Kamara said that this is dumb as hell. He hates it now. Guys who have had their contracts. I do believe signed prior to the cba being ratified and everything by fifty votes or whatever it was. I think they'll get an extra game check. But i you know this is crazy. It's a player association getting steamrolled again. Isn't it look i. it's just steamrolling. Okay right so. The quarterbacks are all getting paid and a lot of guys. losing jobs over. This here was goodell how they came to this decision. What were looking to do here. Picking the data and actually the data highest rate of injuries. Actually the season game of any of our games even though they made it safe for them just like would try to make the subway safer and cleaner and run on time just saying his words not mine also the also announced that they do expect stadiums with full capacities. The nfl man. They do whatever they want to do that. Yeah no yeah for sure and by they were by the way they were the petri dish for everybody. Else i mean. They played an entire season. Yeah they had some hiccups along the way but they didn't overreact. The things that can shut everything down. When somebody became cova positive they played right through it as have all the other sports. Yeah but generally. Nfl you got sixty five guys on a on a team. Plus you got like in the case of the jets ninety seven coaches over here plus performance guys and and chefs and whatever joe. Douglas needs and scouts and everything else. I mean so think about how many people are within that building on a given day and he did a great job. They did said this alive already. You know who else do you know who else did a great job. Who's at passed the clock keeping his sam the great. Sam rosen on m. s. g. can tell me about adam fox. You talk about hockey. I q andre miller him. Lingering libor all five of these guys are getting unbelievable playtime and they're actually showing what they're worth and this is why you invested in all these young players too awfully. You know somehow get into the playoffs this year if you can. But if he can't next year has got to be the year god. Cbs sports that were the pictures of these two guys up without their helmets on. They look like they're in grammar school. Now remember ed alexei lafon year is nineteen. What was jack. Jack hughes eighteen last year wasn't he sounds right. What is though. He looks like a twenty seven. Twenty eight you guys talk navy. You're sure sirkin. Israeli navy cocco starting to show some stuff now the last last month or so. He's really starting to show that haitians boomer sign on their kids. That's exactly right. And the devils got a point but they blew a two goal lead and lose to the bruins shootout five to four and with that we get to moment of the day which is brought to you. By casa migos tequila casa migos to kill a brought to you by those who drink it and one thing became very evident last hour g not thrilled with the college quarterback pro days as he gave an example of one that has not worked out so well and it's pretty close to home walking around rows after the sam darnold. Pro guys sucks. He's terrible they're going to trade him after three. They might have to call me so bad. What that road amy. Now it's got. It's their own their own to same thing. Everybody who has a quarterback that comes out of them or two of them. Three of them are going to suck just the way it is. Let's go back. Josh rosen programs or six or seven. Gnc climbed into his colon to after. Oh just rose to throw. He's get hold of throws not just so all of the throws everybody needs to pipe down as stupid ass pro days. And i told yesterday's was going to happen. Justin feels knocks the socks off. Everybody because we didn't know that this guy was like great shape unbelievable athlete before yesterday. Come on you look stupid. I don't know why. I don't like negative man. Well there you go moment of the day. Great wednesday everybody out the negativity game Maybe it's still going on. It's actually still tied to the nfl to direct tv. I can't i am so done with those people. I can't even take i. You know at this point. I don't even eat the watch. The viking game again steeler game again. Who cares each the morning show with boomer esiason gregg giannotti boomer and geo so now. We know the first two picks least trevor lawrence. How cobb trevor lawrence we know we know. Trevor looks anzac. Wilson number two yup and then the forty niners are going to take who i guess. That's where the drama starts. But i bet you we find out who they like the most before the draft so we may know the first three picks. But it's going to be a quarterback. So he's going to be three quarterbacks in a row and those guys will be tied together for the rest of their careers and not all three of them are gonna work out. So it's gonna be scary for somebody. And it's probably going to be the second or third pick because trevor lawrence is the one who all right. Somebody's somebody's picking a bus. But here's the thing. The first three picks i believe. Believe it or not even with jacksonville with urban meyer. At least right. Now they have a stable franchise. They know what they're doing. They know who they're going to go after. And they know what kind of often cigna run and they got a guy in that building and urban meyer. That's a winner. He wins everywhere he goes. You know you may question some of his own decisions and know some of the things that he was some of his players up. The guy is a winner. He is cut from the same cloth as nick. Sabin and bill belichick. He's all in all football all the time. And they're going to take trevor lawrence stable situation if the jets take zack wilson. Which we both believe they will stable situation. Now you've got rob sala. You got coach. That seems like he's got everybody's respect over there and you have a general manager that is running the organization which i wish they would have done it but they decided to do different ways of the last four or five years stable situation. The niners taken so the niners take justin field. I do believe they could do the kansas city model. I think that they can't do that. We as a law. Yes they can. What's he gonna do. He's not gonna be happy about their situation. Of course he's not too bad you've been injured. You've been hurt. we can't count on you. So guess what. We are just like the kansas city chiefs. They without smith we love you. Alex you've been great. You've gotten us to a certain point. You've stabilized our franchise. You've been a great valuable asset to us. You have taught patrick. Mahomes had become a professional quarterback. If you talked to patrick he'll tell you that they'll tell you that. It was invaluable to watch alex. Smith work and i do think that the forty niners good enough team to have a backup quarterback like justin fields. Sit on the sideline and watch jimmy garoppolo. Googles he gets hurt like he has been then will be time for justin. Feels in much like justin. Herbert did last year. We were gonna tell me that the forty niners are gonna make this trade all those assets trade up to three draft a quarterback yup and they're not gonna start 'em going to the hundred million dollar guy that they think is is the boss to be their starting gordon brunton super bowl. For god's so why are they about. Why does everybody forget that that he actually getting about it. Their quarterback is they're frustrated with him is because he's been injured. And i'm i'm just telling you i could see exactly doing what they did in kansas city. I'm just. I'm just telling you that. And they have a good enough defense and they have good enough running. Got a track they have. They don't have to do not. so why. So why the jets not keeping. Sam darnold drafting zach. Different younger kid. Different situation totally different situation. Okay well i think. The patrick mahomes alex smith situation was totally different than forty nine now. It's it's actually very similar. But there with garoppolo's how much younger than alex smith was. Yeah but the point being that garoppolo's been around. He's been a guy taking his team to the super bowl and the other thing too. Is you know they wanna see him. Basically react to some competition. They want to get the best out of them but he's gonna lose his job. So i mean hey you know what. Go get a job somewhere else next year. Let's say he has an all pro year. But i don't think it will happen. Let's let's say has a pro bowl. You're not an all pro year pro bowl and he takes the team to the playoffs. And let's say they meet the packers in the nfc championship game k. And they lose that game to aaron rodgers and finally aaron rodgers is going back to the super bowl. I could see the next year. He being traded much like alex. Smith was traded to the washington. Football team will be traded somewhere if he stays healthy and he has a good year. Now if he doesn't stay healthy and let's say he plays the first five or six games. Like kurt warner did when he was here with eli manning and you think that justin fields ready to take over if that's who they take then you give him the rain to let them go and maybe trade jimmy garoppolo midseason for the patriots. Who knows though the second. That garoppolo starts the scuffle little bit. Justin field to whoever trans is going to be in their team. And then you're already and then you're paying jimmy team ton of money to be paid out smith the tunnel boy back at the doing. They're they're actually. I think what they're doing is i do believe that. Jimmy garoppolo you at the back of the playoffs. And i think what they what they're thinking as they look at their roster. Yeah they're thinking okay once we cut jimmy garoppolo without any cost to us. There's no dead cap money or any of that stuff. Yeah now. We're re setting our quarterback number so justin fields could play for three years under that quarterback number kind of like patrick mahomes dead and we can pay other players around. Justin feels that takes some of the pressure off of him in his second year. Total sense to me. I don't know why the nathan makes sense. That makes a ton of sense hundred ten to get him here Do you think jimmy garoppolo was a little uglier. He'd be a better quarterback. I'm serious. I mean who's more handsome him or tom brady. Tom brady's completely different animal. I'm asking you who's more handsome. It's hard to go against brady in any of this but garoppolo's younger the six years younger garoppolo but still pretty slow looks great. He does but it's not a fair fight. Saw a picture of him and giselle down costa rica. they look awesome. Yes but i think garoppolo you think. She's got people working on him. Probably we've seen the hair lip pillars and stuff like that. And i don't know about fillers. Mason talks so toxic. I think the hair transplant thing that happened. I mean she's taking care of that part of the situation. I think if garoppolo was just like a little uglier that he'd be a little more motivated to not get hurt really because he's just everything's been handed to him you see. He's walking around. It's pretty boy. Well this is one of the reasons why they traded up at number three. What what what what. What would you do if they didn't draft just fields and they took. Let's say trae lance or mack jones or they took the tight end florida. But what i do and by the way is having a pro day-to-day. Who's that now that i have to ignore tight end of. Oh yeah yeah yeah. I'm sure that'll look great. Okay chases gonna pro day-to-day to you're going to sit there and watch all this. Of course when you boxers like phil simms does not doing. My boxes filled more excited about this film. Loves this stuff. He likes to straddle when he watches this. He's a straggler. Yes these the bends over at the hip in there that it really does. He turns a chair around and straddles. And that's how we watch or do you know what don't this is. The greatest thing about working with him is that there is a never ending love for the sport core. It's the most important sport in his life should be and he's very good at it. I wish you would have been a coach or front office guy. Then you wouldn't be working with them. Yeah but he. You know what. There's a difference i'm like i'm more of a fan of baseball. He likes baseball. He played baseball. But i'm into the mets into the rangers. I'm into the knicks. Now there's nothing like football but there's nothing like what he loves more. You know he's from kentucky. For god's sake so big. Red machine the bengals. Yeah know i mean you know where he's from and where i'm from. Its should be in working for a franchise so we know who he likes yet. We know what he thinks about guys yet. I would say i would say that. I don't know if he's as all in on. Jack wilson as the sun. Chris chris climbing jacksonville. Should exac wilson ansel silly silly now. It's your year to be right. Exact wilson i told you that okay that he's the guy he's the guy. He's the guy over trevor lawrence. You're going christie's to jets. I'm talking about but he going to be great. You're going to be the justin herbert of this class. That's the thing we need to know. So it was. I did i am. I'm just revisiting some of the discussions that we had in the previous month and one of those discussions. I told you about sam darnold on tape not good right but he had a great pro day. Okay but i told you that. I know not good and that was the day that i told you. The zack wilson was the guy that same day. I don't remember the date house. Joe douglas himself now they say hey boomer. No i like all these guys. I just wanted to be friends with them. Put this out there. They do something stupid. Then we got a hammer. I'd like to be friends with joe. Douglas friends with you know. Big dude likes to eat couple beers. I just hope with all these people that the jets hired to support their head coach. I hope they hire the right guy to make sure he understands how to run a football game. And i know he's a smart football guy but you gotta remember. He's been screaming and yelling about and getting up the field and killing the opposing quarterback. Yeah and now. it's a completely different set of circumstances. now it's it's great to be a few sieve and emotional but now you've got to be thinking on top of everything before head coaches. Were doing all of that where he was now. He's the guy that has to do that. All right each the morning show with boomer esiason and greg nadi boomer and geo.

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DNB: Another Level of Delusion (10.21.20)

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DNB: Another Level of Delusion (10.21.20)

"Welcome to the drive time news blast thirty minutes forty five commercial free minutes for patrons jam packed with news of the day from a perspective of truth liberty and justice. This is Monica Perec's I'm Brad Brinkley. Today's top story continues to be new bad stuff about hunter, Biden and the but the subtext. Continues to be that the leftist suppressing they're not addressing whether it's true or not. There's more stuff coming out. Of Chorus like Heiner reminds me of pizza gates but I feel like it's for a very different reason and and it folds into another top story, the bill bar antitrust case against Google I'll tell you how they connect. You tell me what because you're the only one who has the stomach for CNN? How are they handling the by Andre either glossing over it or they just ignoring completely has it going out there? Most of their shows are ignoring it completely but Brian stelter of reliable sources. The most unreliable source on television he addressed it head on to use it as an example of a disinformation smear campaign where he talked about how let's go through how a narrative, how a story is created talking about a fictional fantasy story. Not at one point during about fifteen to twenty minutes segment. Did he actually address any of the content that was involved? They only referred to as Russian disinformation and he had experts come on to call it stuff like this is an example of enlarging. This is how the right-wing spins and create stories and how they how they do what about his on. This is an example what about is never at. All address, the content, and then they went onto compare to what you just mentioned. Yadda guests come on and this guest was talking about how this is just like how back in two thousand sixteen the Republicans were talking about pedophilia which became pizza gate, which became Cunanan? I mean just these leaps of logic with no connection between just to dismiss this story as a whole and I will point out that. The pedophile thing that he's referring to this guy on CNN on stelter show is referring to was Jeffrey. Epstein. which turned out to be something that everybody saw to be true and I actually have a clip of Brian Stelter from Twenty Sixteen shutting somewhat up who tries to bring up the Jeffrey Epstein thing. He dismisses it as Pizza Gate Fake News. So he was covering up for Jeffrey Epstein back then I have abstained stuff to and doing to buy for by now today. Yes I do just want to interject this one thing about that about Biden about Pizza Gate about Epstein about Russia collusion about all of that stuff where it has nothing to do with evidence so have. Old Friends. That are super liberal I don't talk that much but I Got A text yesterday, and I was like, yeah, sure. Everything's fine whatever. You wearing your mask. Yeah. So the question was like it's like, Oh, I feel sad I can't see whatever my grandkids and I was like why it was like well, you know we're not allowed to see each other Mike it's been months spent months and. This like with the mom, very sensitive and I happen to know that the mom is super super super, Super Super Pussy at Liberal. super-duper. and. So i. said Oh does she know an unusually high number of people who are seriously ill and then like I immediately text just kidding I know the answer to that question. Because, of course, she doesn't 'cause nobody does right? Whatever so but here's the thing like I didn't mean to tweet this person and I, and she wasn't tweet to her credit but but I But you. I knew like when I wrote that. That it would not only just like compares her off but she would think I was a trump supporter because it is amazing to me that people think I'm a trump supporter because I'm not a you know metoo mom. They think I'm trump supporter. So so I knew like I was infuriating are I I knew I was running the risk of? And But she's a medical professional. So she was like, yeah, there's really no evidence to support like what's happening here. and. I thought that was to her credit but I really figured she would just shoot the fact. Was it made it very clear to me you would not have half of the people psychotically religiously fanatically obeying the most ridiculous rules. that. If it weren't highly to party politicized to the point where the land had an article today that said, the third amendment justifies I said right away the third amendment is like the lockdown is violating the third amendment because they're using our homes as prisons. Because that's like you can't have quartering soldiers and they said, the third amendment actually was designed to protect people from soldiers who had smallpox. So it actually, it's foundation. Its original meaning was that we have a right to be free from infection. So it could actually justify the lockdown like this is how freaking ridiculously twisted Lee partisan everything's getting that there's no analytical value. There's no evidentiary value no value whatsoever this is brain the evidence. Yeah, and it circles right back to the Hunter Biden seen to everything. It's been this way the whole time, and that brings me to this conversation about censorship that I wanted to half. So so to me everything is happening with Hunter Biden and all that is section two thirty they want to repeal section two, thirty, which if you read the Gab appeal to please not fall. For it and Gab was always trump's guy but they they have to call bs on this because if you take away to thirty, it makes it impossible for the little guy to compete because they cannot curate and censor like a publisher when they aren't editorial, they don't have editorial staff. You don't send a tweet to an editor before it gets tweeted I it's just not possible. You don't send a gab to it's just not possible for a little guy whereas Google just said, it's worth some like trillion dollars. I mean something crazy. I'd have to check that number because it boggles my mind so hard but yeah, trillion dollars market value has roughly triple terminals two trillion dollars. So when they when they look at that they. So. So what gaps said was is we should address us in different ways like tort reform or antitrust, and that falls into the other big story from today. 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So the thing is with the top story, was that bar filed an antitrust suit against Google so I didn't like that gap said that first of all, I don't know if we need tort reform, a tort would work. If somebody actually says something that is stupid reckless untrue whatever and causes actual damages and I'm not talking about liable law defamation law I'm just talking about tort. Tort Law. Generally, the general principle of towards if you do something that caught, that is stupid and it causes a real problem. The person who is damaged can sue you for damages to be replaced, and then occasionally to deter that kind of behavior, they will award punitive damages so that that famous case with the person got coffee built on. The. Hot Coffee. Yes. Dollars a Baker McKenzie sexual harassment case. Yes. So they want it's punitive, which is great because it means that you don't have to have. COPS and laws and legislation and everything to to create laws against behavior. Not even sure if it happens. If the case arises, it's like Insta- law and I like it and it motivates people to to file those suits and if people file those suits, they can control behavior. That's genuinely. Wrong without having to have this huge statute Tori system so I I, like tort I think that's a great approach and they mess with Torp by protecting people from saying stupid things that cause actual damages and I think it's for the famous cases I. Think it was that Big Baptist Church that harassed a gay soldier who is dead they went to the funeral they started. Screaming at the family they intentionally inflicted emotional distress but they put the family could not recover under first. amendment. But that's that's how you limit. First. Amendment you don't have to have preemptive laws like you can't cry fire in credit. Theater SRI. Ken. As long as nobody gets hurt knows it doesn't hurt the guys business you know like that's how you do the limitations on that. But. The antitrust thing is a whole nother can of worms that is not the right approach. I don't believe in antitrust. I think that the antitrust laws were established by big business to kind of scatter their holdings. In a way that made it look like it was competitive makes it's it's like that echo chamber that we're talking about propaganda where they say if if you if it looks like there are a lot of different sources, you don't recognize it as propaganda. So what you want to have a bunch of different sources than that. Literally. Is What this would create. It would be good for nuclear tatum sources. Yes, and if you have so the next so. They're filing edge trust against Google for the main issue is that they make business deals with apple to have Google be series brain now that's fine I mean there's no reason not to do that. But here's the funny thing that the number to search engines, they have eighty percent of searches. The number to search engine bing is seven percent. Do you know who owns being Google Microsoft? Like, it just doesn't matter. You know it's not gonNA. Matter at all but what really annoyed me is that the reason Microsoft got back kind of market share against Stucco or anybody else. Is that according to the courts article, which is by a guy who knew and I have never heard anyone dispute it the NSA created Google so that the private market would pay for search engines that would help them create psychological profiles of basically every single person as well as corral them with quote, birds of a feather that's in the record and yet the Wall Street Journal. This is a front page article in the Wall Street Journal it in two different places it just complete I mean this is just this is just misrepresenting by not putting the real information out there even if these actual details are correct, the impression they're giving is absolutely wrong. These are too quick quotes from that at says. Google was a company formed in a garage in a San Francisco suburb in one thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, eight Google started as a simple search engine aiming to organize the world's information. And they talk about Sarah Sergey, Brin in that Weird Johns Hopkins Program as a kid in high school. I mean this makes it look like Google emerged as a natural monopoly in a business that has no virtually no barriers to entry. You cannot have a monopoly a natural monopoly in a business that has no scarcity whatsoever, it is only when the government intervenes to give you a leg up. and. Then even when it comes to network effects having an advantage, a first mover advantage yes gets a guy rich but immediately, the number two is can piggyback off of those guys. Work and I don't even believe in copyright and Patent Law. You can get rich inventing stuff, and then the market will just flood in and make it better with information you put out there because that's how you put. That's how you make business I. Mean it gets a little complicated Stephan consol is a great. Resource for that. But I think that this both the antitrust thing and the section to thirty thing will just phase in another level of delusion about what's really going on behind the scenes in everything from propaganda to searches. It's interesting that you say that today. Or maybe it was last night another project Veritas. Video was released and. I'm reading the article about it. I have not watched the full video yet. So the context might could change it. So watch the video, I'll will video today but in the video. Someone is alleged to be a program manager at Google. Cloud said that the search engine monolith is playing God in the US political scene skewing results to benefit. Democrats. This is according to an undercover interview that project Veritas captured and then. When asked whether? Google W- FAVORS EITHER POLITICAL PARTY This Google employee said that the wind is blowing towards Democrats because GOP equals trump and trump equals gop everybody hates it even though gop may have good traits no one wants to acknowledge them right now. So the wind is blowing towards Democrats? So let skew the results towards Democrats. and. They end points out. No one wants to acknowledge that right now. Right. So like the closet vote like the exact same thing that happened last time may happen again. Does hearing talk about that. Actually, I started hearing people. Win. Which makes me start to question although I from what my own experiences and I know that we all can't touch every corner of the world understand things outside of our, you know what we do have intimate contact with. It seems obvious to me that there are more people. Who when asked during a poll, if they're going to vote for trump or biden are going to not say anything if they're going to vote for trump absolutely when the more I run around town, the mores I'm shocked that the few people in my neighborhood put up trump things because everything else is biden but I have to say. So as long as there's the electoral college, you can have just jillions and Gillian Jillions of votes like in California and it's not gonNA move the dial fifty, one, percent nine percent doesn't change the California because they put all their electoral votes in one bucket like states could. Could neutralize their own. Voting by splitting up those Lectoure I think main does it that way I can't remember but years just to funny little things about voting I realized first of all, my daughter got her driver's permit and she got a card in the mail you are registered to vote. So, when you turn eighteen vote but like I don't know if she went now which she'd be able to vote I know that that Oh pair I knew was they insisted that you registered to vote when she told him she was only going to be here for a year and she was not illegal citizen and they insisted at the DMV to register to vote, and then the last thing I'll say is My son who has down syndrome turned eighteen this year and I realized it hit me like a ton of bricks. I was never gonNA have him like go into the booth to vote because I just don't think he could even figure it out. But he? But. If it's a mail in vote, I could absolutely vote for him and like old people I could you could absolutely vote for people who you live with who are not really paying attention and the last thing. I will say, I am totally disenfranchised in California because you can't write in. So I have to only vote for somebody on the ballot I always write Ron Paul. 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Know There's been a lot of that especially in San Francisco they've been talking about that. Oh that's a good point and I feel confident that. I I. Actually was tempted just to see if she could go vote and I know that. I. Actually think it's morally it might actually be morally problematic to vote because you validate the system but somehow my sense of integrity I just I won't let her try and I certainly don't want to tell her that it's okay to like lie although it is opposition research and if pe- tans and can do it on. Well they could very well try and charge people who do that. I know that somebody was arrested a few years back for. Allegedly attempting to vote a few times that this could be some sort of set up as well. But this reminded me of a story that I saw today about Ao see Alexandra Cortez who she makes an appearance in my latest satire video where I moderated a fake vice presidential debate. Oh my gosh that was so funny and everybody loved it I. Saw People's responses. I planted my house really really I mean if I. And my husband can both laugh on it at it? I know it's like smart enough and dumb enough for like everybody. Husbands sweet and smart Super Smart, but he likes stop I liked them stop I like smart stuff. You can find that. Page dot com slash Brad Brinkley ASC played last night. She had three hours of live gaming on twitch to encourage voting, but not used to encourage voting to encourage voting blue is what she was doing. We talked about this on we did an interview last night and we talked about this. That's GonNa be a great interview Eric July. Early release. Early release on Friday for patrons. So look for that and we have legal man on Friday for the DNB. It's going to be a great Friday. He's he's everything. Everything interesting conversation but I specifically asked him about twitch streaming because I had a friend who did a show on there was a kind of a weird Improv. Gaming mic shows got a whole lot of viewers like millions viewers. Wow. This is a powerful platform for this audience. How's it going to be politicized? How's it going to be a propaganda purposes? The very next day we get the story about AFC spending three hours on their specifically to push get out. The vote for blue and she ended up this her her stream has been seen by four point, five million viewers and she was engaging with some of the most popular game, right? Because on these platforms they have they have basically celebrity like gamers that are influencers that millions of people watch all the time. So she's talking to these influential other gamers and they're encouraging their broad audiences to get out the vote and she's telling them what she say she said. Of course, we are all here to vote blue. So that was the theme of the message that she's putting out to these younger crowd some probably many of them just getting the ability to vote and they have this celebrity cultists like figure playing with their influential celebrity cultish like Gamer figure pushing propaganda. Well you were way way ahead of that, and she seems to be receiving a little bit although if we do have presence in the future presidents in the future, I believe that she will definitely be pushed up as and what are we from Stacey Abrams lately anything I haven't seen much. She's been doing a lot of voter suppression stuff. She's been doing a lot of interviews on MSNBC A lot CNN talking about what's going to happen after the election basically preparing her audience to revolt afterwards. Well, one more thing about the gaming thing mel point in that that every see where your is and where your attention are because right now though not on Cable News on the streaming services, we decided to Charlie Brown Halloween service going to be on apple after fifty years not going to be on cable anymore where your eyes and ears are is where the propaganda will infiltrate. So be weary of that. That's absolutely true and that is what I was kind of thinking when we talked to legal man where he had done episode recently about the media, just it's just all lies because if it's not all lies, then you might get some truth and the whole thing will unravel. And I I said I pointed out like I think that's true. Even about entertainment like even what you're watching I can barely I watched a movie the other day villain it looked so so great. It looks really good as well repeated and then. I'm not really going to spoil but a half to sages. This stupid propaganda message just completely ruined the ending for me. So I on recommend that but it's just I to the point where I can't even anything that's super popular. I don't even believe that it's getting that many stars I just don't want anything to do with it every top show this pushed on these networks Amazon netflix whatever has a propaganda element in and the good shows that are already popular. They hijack and inject propaganda messages like boys television show on Amazon the evil the superheroes it's like what if superheroes were bad guys so we think they're superheroes but they're actually some of them were. Kinda bad guys. It's kind of the general premise they're going around doing make make America safe again messages. There's immigration messages there's overtly racist characters that are put in there. It is a clear clear parallel to the most extreme accusations against trump are just injected into the salvation show, and that is what another thing we're talking with Erik last night about is that they for me like I will get sucked into these great shows arrested development or whatever, and then the last season it'll just be the most offensive shark jumping ps and you're so hooked on it that it takes you the whole season to stop watching it and then it's cancelled. Then it's over anyway, but they got it in your brain and it just frustrates me it's not gonNA get. It's not going to penetrate my brain, but it's always that algis Huxley, sixty percent and the middle of the twenty. Easy. The twenty impossible. Then you've got that sixty percent WHO's watching it to the end of arrested development and thinking and the funny thing is I was fine with the message at arrested development because it was an anti war message but that's only because Bush was a republican. Republican war like now just discussed I saw this one show it was like eight seasons long and it wasn't that bad with propaganda comparatively to others except in about season four about halfway through, there's one episode where every single character betrays. That they've done because they're vigilantes and they kill people like they killed people with guns and stuff. Entire episode is about gun control just avert gun control get the guns out of your vigilantes. Would he be guns out the streets there used to be a there used to be and? I think Jenny turned assigned to it a website that told you how to message and it got discontinued. I'm sure it just moved underground. Now there's journalist resource which just gives you. The messages Oh? Yeah. As just study after study so it doesn't actually tell you how to position it but that old one I don't even look at it anymore because they don't post on it anymore, but it used to. But I mean it's almost worth hanging onto if I could find it again to see how they did tell people to message. But yeah, in those emails, they tell people exactly what to say if you sign up. For some of these activists emails they spread around there's I get the same activists email basically from women's March as I do from indivisible with the same messaging talking points. This one was specifically targeting TV and movie Creator Oh interesting. Yes. So they were telling you don't if you're going to have a gun in the scene scene if you have to essential make sure something bad happens because of the you know like something unfair happened. Just ridiculous. So that was like the villain movie was so good and then just. Anyway, but so another thing we were talking about was how And talk about like kind of changing the script at the end to get your message. But this is a little bit of booze one. One of the things we were talking about yesterday was how I was thinking. That when people get so sick of the lockdown. Eric was saying when people get so sick of it, they're going to just going to not take it anymore, and that's when we'll see some action and that really made a snap click for me because I said wow, they are so smart I think. That they will get head of that, and that is what I think explains all this lockdown talk changing from trump from the world health organization this great Barrington Declaration which I wanna like because it's the libertarian thing we had telling us like it's these guys are good and I had dismissed it at first because nothing that gets that gets this far along this much press doesn't have A. I mean, it's it's like legally thing it's like it's not there if it doesn't have a purpose. And I like libertarian stuff because I agree with the principles. But so many I'm not talking about this particular organization. But so many of the organizations they just they spend a lot of time talking about economic principles of liberty and I agree with him. Completely, our problem right now is not ideology. It is not it is. It is bad faith. So we have people who are lying to us about what they're doing in the halls of power and with this lockdown I noticed it. was like my eyes could not see because I really get so sick of being knee-jerk everything's fake I don't believe if anything I just get so sick of it but I did notice a few of these things in the Great Barrington agreement because then another patron Anna since since me and said, hey, here's a take another libertarian take on the great barrington declaration from a website called wrench and the gears worry points out the things that I was like a little apprehensive about which include. That it's completely validates that we had a global health emergency. This one just left at me that to use PR tests named PC are specifically as the testing to help relieve the lockdown situation and decide who gets isolated. That's very, very dangerous because not only is it completely wrong? It's totally manipulable by increasing that cycle rate yet if it's if it's done at the correct cycle range. Than actually almost nobody would test positive. So if the piece is used an analyzed properly, then the results would be completely different across the country and they haven't actually purified the exact genetic sequence of the entire covid nineteen. So it would it is actually impossible to prove beyond a doubt with the PTR test that somebody has that, and if they're going to use that for this focused. What did they call it protection is that leads into forced isolation because they're building literally concentration camps to concentrate a subsection plus rap is being deployed as well combined that then you can rapidly. Yes. So this is. A compromise that you could be desperate for and it seems so good like lift lockdown but if they can actually decide who they're going to isolate with these test which they can manipulate. So they. So this ranch and the gears is saying focus protection is a weird phrase that might mean a lot more than you see, and then it also lutely promotes childhood vaccination so. It also enables you to target people by. Just, analyze the test at a higher threshold rate. So if you want somebody to not test positive to not be quarantined, then you give them the proper one because it makes them less likely. But if there's some a group of people that you do want to find positive tests and then you can say, all right. Let's give this bump the threshold cycles up a little bit and then take them in. That's why even though I. Know The extremely high rate of false positives. My daughter needed minor procedure at an out person outpatient place and three days prior they give you a test and then they make you go quarantine. and. Husband and I told her like oh I wonder if she'll tests positive the delay this. They're not delaying that they're not delaying that it's GonNa come back negative. They'll like how how do you know because they'll just cycle it at the root prescribed level and she's not gonna or or maybe they under cycling I don't know but I have a strong suspicion that they can control it and the first her first appointment was actually canceled because someone who worked in the building tested positive and I thought. That a lot of people work in that building and I've never heard of a closed before. So that's how hard it is to get a positive their way. She was negative that time and then chat to do it again and she was negative Agai-. Now, it could have been just. Random lock but it but for me I predict. That the beginning of the scientific method if your hypothesis predicts the outcome. I think so yeah. I wanted to go ahead. I just wanted happy Pronoun Pronoun dates. It's Pronouns Pronouns Day hashtag pronounce say. My pronounce it. Mine is G G. G. This is the new introduction. We're GONNA see more and more of this in the act of. Is it, and then the actors trainings the people introduce themselves. Hi, I'm Cynthia I'm organizing North Dakota and my pronouns she. And the little. Screen capture with her name has pronoun next to expect to see more and more. True out here your Pronoun is. Negative. You go into a building and they ask you all these covert questions to the point where data have to ask me questions anymore I just go. I walk up to them as they point their temp gun thermometer gun at my head that he. Fuck. oops. Sorry. Darn. Put the thing on your head. In any way you say, and I just like I don't have this I don't have that I don't have this. I don't have that I don I never tested I don't know don't with anybody who tested positive. You know what I said the other day. I took my mom to an appointment and we walked in did the testing or they did the flu thing by the way if point that a dog, they're like get that gun out of my. Right but they he asked me these questions and you you you start to react normally but then you're like, okay, I gotta be careful how answers. So they don't wrap saying take me in and he said if you been out of the country lately, I said no not since that trip to Wuhan a few weeks ago. Joked yeah. You can't Joe and he and he stopped second then he laughed and he goes it's a good thing. I'm okay with that and I was like, yeah that's right. Yeah. Because you can't joke in the airport and they always tell my kids don't complain don't joke I'm sorry I mean I know trying to live free in an unfree world may feel like very compromise but I am not there I'm not changing the airport rules by allowing my kids to joke about them but I have a couple of great things for the patron fifteen I gotta tell you they are still after Chavis Kalmyk poor guy and and Leon black has hired a law firm to. Exonerate him. Maybe I don't know it's Epstein Steph anyway. And my Gosh, they're the guys who owned w back forgetting that. Yes that there are spun comfortable can. Tell you are Epstein coverage was a CO morbidity of Talk about that. Now I know what a fool I've just etiquette I never would have liked about something that the guy who pays the bills I just had to advocate you guys drive time news blast every weekday afternoon, the proper four dot com or your favorite podcasts do platform with the propaganda podcast feed. 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Dr Kathryn Schmitz - Moving Through Cancer

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Dr Kathryn Schmitz - Moving Through Cancer

"Hello my name is ron. And this is the flow this podcast. Every episode my co host. Joel stewart. And i speak with inspiring. Movers think his and teaches about how they find a flow and much much more a like to stop by honoring. The traditional owners of the land on with the episode was recorded. There were under the people of the kulin nation and we pay our speaks to out his poss- prison emerging as longtime listeners of the podcast. My know in two thousand fifteen. I was diagnosed with stomach cancer and later on that year my stomach was removed. Yoga and other exercise played a huge role in my recovery. And even though. I had a wonderful medical team. We're actually surprised at how hard it was to find out information on the right type of movement and exercise to help with my recovery. Our guests this episode. Dr catherine schmitz has just published a fantastic book called moving through cancer which is going to really help. People feel as well as possible four before during and after treatment. Catherine is a clinical exercise oncology research but also had personal experience supporting wider cancer including multiple surgeries and filed reconstructive surgeries on your nose moving through cancer because very clear evidence based guidance but also hot support for people living with cancer and vaca- give us find out more at moving through cancer dot com. And we'll leave link and the sharks with so many questions so lists get into a conversation with dr catherine schmitz right katherine. Thank you so much for speaking with us today. It's great to get the chance to speak with you now. I know you were just saying before. We started recording. That you looked up my cancer history so this is obviously a subject. That is very important to us. As well as yourself. And i guess it feels like such an integration of your professional experiences as clinical exercise oncology research and your personal experiences with your wife sarah's cancer treatment and recovery. So i was just wondering if you'd like to share a little bit more about your motivation for writing this book. Absolutely thank you so much. Thank you for having me on. I'm always delighted to have an opportunity to talk about. Not just the book about this. Were it is my professional mission. That time i retire. I want us to be using exercised standard of care in setting on cosmology and so so that is actually the motivation primary motivation for the book. You know we. We have fifteen thousand scientific peer reviewed publications in the area of exercising cancer. There has been a an exponential growth. that's not hyperbolic that you can go. Look it up and see that there's been an exponential growth in the number of clinical trials that have been done in human beings to document the efficacy of exercise interventions during and after cancer treatment. And yet if you ask the average person on the street you know hey. Your aunt dotty has cancer. Da thinks she ought to be doing any exercise. They would say now why. Oh why do that and until we have a a culture of rest take it easy. Don't push yourself in cancer and my hope. Was that by writing this book. By translating scientific evidence ace into the town for liens that that we would start to make some headway and changing that culture. And there's a history here. I'm not the first person to think of this idea. We had evidence in the nineteen sixties that we knew that exercise was really good for our hearts and yet the population at large was was really not exercising much and so there were some popular press books back in the nineteen seventies. That really turned the tide and helped society. See that exercise was in fact. Good for your heart so The complete runners spoke. I believe it was complete book of running. Jim fix and there was the aerobics. Revolution kenneth cooper and those were credited with starting the the exercise craze that occurred. I believe the. Us is probably australia during that timeframe by you know we really we had to learn it just for heart disease and now apparently hearted separately for cancer. And so one of the things that i really love. How clearly you take your light is you'll go through the benefits of exercise and we'll definitely get into that but you never hold it up as a cure or treatment on its rei. And in fact. My steve what. You focused his helpfully convey to help you manage the symptoms of chemotherapy and radiation therapy and the drugs. That people might have to take that exactly so. Yeah so i mean there is. There is an avenue of exercise ecology research that is you know really actively chasing the possibility the very real hostility that by exercising as you go through your therapy as you receive your radiation that in fact it may potentially eight the the value of those treatments. And that's what we don't have that science done yet and so we can't say it and so in the same way that if anybody tells you you know if you eat more our condos that's going to cure cancer that is a lotta hooey is what my mother recall it. And so is the idea that exercise could cure any kind of cancer. But i think that. I certainly know from art lived experience in our home that you all know this as well as you go through your cancer journey you are not just your cancer you now. In fact the cancer cells representative very small minority of even person even a person with medicine disease even with metastatic disease has trillions of healthy cells and the cells deserve as much attention as the cancerous cells and by paying more attention to them. Sort of like what you give energy to gross right. What you pay attention to gross. Yeah that's another thing that i really loved about your philosophy because so much of cancer treatment is quite passive. Like yo putting your health and your trust and someone else's hands as you receive these treatments but exercise is something that proactive that you can do for yourself. And i love how you recommend starting your exercise practice before you start the cancer treatment to kind of really build yourself up in terms of energy levels and muscle mass and to give you this access to pace of mind through this really intense time. Yes and it is one one thing that you can do. That is in your hands so i. I'd like to say a few things about that. If i could one is that we actually do have scientific evidence to show us that. This concept of pre habilitation which is kind of the opposite of rehabilitation. So it's you know Building off your functional capacity. Your muscle mass. Your fitness prior to starting treatment. For frankly anything doesn't even matter if it's cancer but if you're going to be undergoing some kind of medical processes take time and energy in his going to deplete you in some way than getting yourself in the best possible shape can be an before. All of that starts is an excellent idea because we very predictably hand can tell cancer patients that they are going to lose function and that they are going to lose muscle mass as they go through their treatment. And so it's kind of a way of kind of insurance halsey building yourself off before you got there thing that i wanna say though is that. I think that there's actually a little secret weapon in in the program the way that we've built it and what we recommend in the book and that is the logging. The logging of symptoms and logging. Of what you can do with your exercise and the reason why that becomes kind of a secret weapon is that you want. Let's think of professional athletes olympic athletes. They log what they do with their exercise and they use their bodies on a regular basis as an instrument and as a result they know what's going on and when something off and when something is when they're slow when they're tired they know what's different when you are not doing exercise. And when they and they write it down and then they know they can go back and say something's different here. Something's going on while the same thing is true cancer patients. If you as a cancer patients are able to walk three miles. On tuesday and thursday. You can only walk two blocks. Something's going on. Something has changed and that that situation persists over the course of days in there hasn't been any sort of obvious reason for there wasn't any new round of chemotherapy or anything that happened. Then that's something you can go back to your doctors with and say something is really changed here and the doctors will be happy to have that information and to look into it but if you are not doing any exercise then every ache and pain and become was that was that is that the cancer was. What's happening you know it's like it's like being in a haunted house you know. Only your body's the thing that's haunted right right. So it's a way of kind of taking control of the narrative of the symptom the story of the symptoms as you go through your cancer treatment and i know that a symptom. That really affects mice. People i think you have. Chemotherapy is how fungi heggie feel. And it's sartaj when you have these appointments with your specialists. That often just let ten minutes long and they really bombarding you with all of this information and sometimes we had the experience like especially iran. Specialists really lovely. But you just don't get time to ask all the questions that you were thinking about ahead of time. So i kind of coming in with your earn evidence and your rishon information. I would actually be quite helpful. I think that my specialists would really respond positively to that exactly exactly if you log things over time and you can summarize and say look. I know something's different here. Because and you have a change in symptoms. That persisted over time. Then there likely look into it and offer help so yeah i think summarizing that information the other thing that that we talked about in the book that i think probably experience as it. Sarah and i is the caregiver issue and the need for the caregiver to come along to all these appointments because we have documented evidence that if two people come in to a doctor's appointment to gather they walk away with a greater understanding of what physician is trying to communicate than if one person walks in with that same position and and so. That's why one of the things that i strongly strongly recommend. The book is that the caregivers hollow the same exercise program and follow the logging and do everything step by step by along with their patient and that would be so helpful with motivation as well right exactly so if something and it's something that you can do together. That isn't cancer you know. I remember feeling with sarah like. Can we talk about something else you know. We do something other than plan for the next visit to the doctor. Can we you know. Think about something else. And so exercise is something that i just hear it over and over again over and over and over again that it is one of the things that people feel can help them to regain control of their lives as they're going through this process that feels so fairy out of control and say that brings me to something else which it's a really sensitive topic and it's definitely something that's come up with friends of mine and something that i've read about and with women especially a lot of women symptoms kind of brushed arifa at a doctor's visit especially if they're in a lodge body and i hear about with police cystic arteries and intimate tree isis. Who never really get the follow up care and diagnosis that they need because the doctor just tells them or you just need to lose some weight and you'll feel much better just exercise and eight. Peta sorry if you were ineligible and you've been hearing that every time you go to the doctor and now you have this cancer diagnosis and being told that you just need to exercise dimension. That would really bring up a lot of feelings and be quite hard to he. And i love how in the book you really go into how much this is about mental health. How much of this is about immunity. And it's about how you look. It's about how you feel but would you like to speak a little bit about this. She sure absolutely so i. I just want to like validate the doctors thinking. You're crazy with the symptoms. I have shimono herodotus. And i had can't tell you how many times i have had conversations with medical professionals that have made me feel like i was cray cray and you know so. I just want validate that. I i think if that does happen in your doctor hell and in addition to that you know there is a a tremendous amount of twitter traffic on the topic of some of the symptoms that women cancer survivors experience that are pooh-poohed or never talked about painful sex being a major issue that breast cancer survivors. Who are taking rotates inhibitor. Steel west and everybody is tennis. Fermi me with the idea of when you talk about sex with their doctors when women bring it up. Their doctors don't want to do. They don't know what to say and i would. I would say. I just want to like grab the hand of women dealing with us or men's well dealing with us and say you know go for mighty warrior and say which you gotta say will allow brown clear and keep asking until you get a good hand sir so but you asked me a question that i do the answer and the question is how does it feel to somebody who is living a larger body and you know thanks. Have people yelling at them about exercise their whole lives and now they have a cancer diagnosis in a long. Dr smith's and says in our. Hey you should be exercising. One of the things that is exceptionally important is to recognize that the amount of exercise. It's being recommended. Here is the amount of exercise that make sense for the person as they're in their particular place in their journey and so when we say the word exercise. What can often be misunderstood. Is that what we're saying. Is we want you to train for a marathon. We want you to run. We want you to walk three miles every day. That's not what we're talking about here. We're talking about you know if if ten minutes day is what you're willing to do to stand up and boogie with some music on that's fabulous unhappy to have that happen because the great news is in there is actually a a graph that shows this within the bach. The greatest benefits of physical activity are incurred by those who go from doing nothing to those who who are doing something so just something. Anything is better than nothing. So there's a lot of advice that says you know. The evidence says that we want you to do ninety minutes a week. Know all of the sort of what the recommendations are based on a peer review literature. But we we know that going from sitting on the couch all day doing something even if it's walking to the mailbox and coming back is better than on the couch all day and i like how you have that ten minutes goal or test in the book. That's like if you don't feel like doing anything at all. Just stott set yourself that ten minute time and if you feel better at the end of that you might do more. But if you're not feeling then that's it you're done for the day that jointly far s exactly exactly and we actually found over and over again in our i. I you know in the us. We don't have exercise. Professionals are not allied. Health professionals say are stralia by the end of quote Practice of exercise oncology not just in my institution but other places you know the general advice is do ten minutes. If you don't feel better than sit down by which remarkable is that in ninety plus percent of the time you feel better even if you're just doing a little bit of walking slowly jadu feel better because frankly human body is meant to be in motion until we are literally dead bodies in the icu. They moved by. You know we are meant to in motion all of us. Our whole lots of of got a bit of a regulation. Robert benet question. I just remember optimize surgery. The surgeon sort of said. I should do something like twenty laps of the ward every day. And the only problem with that every time that i i wanted to do my laps to get off the bed. I hate to recruit two or three nurses to help with all the that you the license. That house attached to so it was actually quite a difficult proposition. Two to get moving. But i did manage to do it anyway as i said. That wasn't a well. Then you are the second stomach cancer survivors that i know who did laps in the hospital and has lived way beyond when anybody says they would. I have a a friend who lives actually in my my small town in pennsylvania. You just kind of Refund you just kind of said you know. I just had a new that i was supposed to be moving and he would just scrabble various tubes in polls and and make his way around the floor. Twenty times i don't know what it is about. Twenty but for some cases have lifestyle factors but even people who exercise regularly eight well and generally take good care of themselves can still get cancer and the y. Made question definitely comes up. Would you like to speak about some ways to navigate these feeling. Oh certainly certainly so. Actually the last chapter of the book is about athletes with cancer because there is so very little out there for them in facts. The chapter wasn't inspired by conversations with he can randall. Who's an american gold medal olympian and she encrusted receding and she was already a fee. Nom chang because she was a young mom as an olympian and then she had her partner was in duos events and she and her partner one goal and three months later. She was diagnosed with aggressive stage three breast cancer. And so you know. Certainly a lot of limi- comes up with that and so you know one of the things that we do in that last chapter is review the stories of we like twelve at late stories throughout the balkan. There are six of them are so that are summarized in that last chapter and one of the things that they talk about. Is this issue of wait a minute. I'm doing everything that i was supposed to do. And i think that one of the best weapons to to to deal with that. Besides you know any kind of therapy and talk therapy and mental health interventions that might be useful to any given person in that situation which i heartily recommend is to educate yourself about cancer. Biology and the great news is that we are living in a time when youtube videos are ubiquitous. And if you go on youtube and type in something like you know how does cancer spread. You'll find about six difference. Lovely chalk talk video sauce hitter that are understandable by the lay person that will explain all of the complexities of the way that cancer develops in the bonnie and i think by understanding understanding that this can happen to anyone and that the great news is that if you are experiencing this as someone who is an athlete when vian even than you are going to go through this process in a way that that is likely to get used to the other side in better shape because you came into it better shape so three. Three answers question one mental health professionals and you talking that through talking Whiny to educate yourself three refocus on the fact that you are going to get through your cancer treatments better because you are in great shape when you walk in the door and you'll youtube thought brings me to something else that really stood out for me in your book. I can tell that. You're a clinical rates show because you bright down how different studies work and what the definitions of different studies. Actually main fix it. Sounds like like us ua inundated with well-meaning friends just say you the most free inge out this not helpful miracle cures so i love how you equip pap- would actually break that information down and assists what is actual evidence based and what is. Just some on the internet rush. Yes and and this was really one of the reasons. I felt so strongly about doing that. Is is the chapter on nutrition. Because i leaned heavily on my friend and colleague cindy thomson from the university of zona to help with writing. The chapter on nutrition and nutrition information is ubiquitous on the internet and interested information for cancer patients. heart critics on the internet and a lot of is really very faulty information and so it was really really important to me in particular. What for the exercise research certainly but also for the nutritional research that people understand the difference between the results from something life. The nurses health study which is an enormous quarter million. Nurses you know give their an answer. Surveys riyadh and a cohort study like that is not the same thing as a randomized control. Trial and understanding the hierarchy in science is is crucial as well as understanding. What my mentor. My one of my oldest friends and mentors henry blackburn calls three beauties. Which is the clinic. The clinical research the bench so animal research and basic science and the population research at the analogy. So he really look. You wanna look as carefully as possible if somebody tells you you know that you really ought to be eating all every day you know ten thousand hours of something crazy you wanna look to see if there is research at all three of those levels. That's when we really say now we really have something that is when we conclude there is causation and we need to really recommend an intervention like exercise. And the other thing i love about the book is how you don't just lump every hands in together. Let you really differentiate between the different cancer types and the different treatment types of what's going to work for hp as soon. Because i know with our experiences veron the amount of people that send his articles on the benefits of fasting. When he's about to get his stomach kramer and advice that we're receiving is that you're gonna lose a lot of white like you really need to build up reserves now and. I know that there have been some studies that have shown benefits from fasting during chemotherapy treatment. But that's not for everyone and that's definitely not for this type of cat son. I think someone suggested. Are i go on a month long. Like a water fast in bali possible suggestion now. And they're not they're not seeing it in In context and yeah actually. I don't know whether you are aware that. I i built a website that goes with the book. It's moving through. Cancer dot com and there actually is advertised. Cise advice that is you know force specific different cancer types. I think i got to about eleven of them before. I ran out of steam and wanted to get site up and running and i'll add to it over time but you know the advice to somebody who goes to add neck cancer and you know what their particular treatment trajectories likely to be. It's going to be distinct from somebody who goes through bladder cancer for example. Yeah absolutely and i really What stood out to me especially with reading. Your book is how differently affects off someone who's had something like breast cancer which has a really long term hormone therapy treatment after this surgery at after they came therapy and had different. This symptoms can be like. I had the experience as a pilates state show of southern coming to my class and she used to be a dense she'd put on what of white from her treatment which she was really uncomfortable with an hannay's really sore as well. She's getting a lot of joint pain from it treatment as well so she had this background of loving to move and loving exercise not being able to do any of those movements anymore and was really feeling depressed about it. So i love how you target the exercises that you give so i know that rating that she would be able to find things that she could do. Yeah she would she would. And that those aromatase inhibitor. Throw algis that you're talking about are so very very common and we do have clinical trial evidence to support the idea. That exercise is very frustrating. Because you know there's there's two symptoms in particular in setting of of cancer care that we know i mean we have like such gorgeous data. Tell us that for those earth. Rogers with aroma taste hitters breast cancer patients take and for cancer related fatigue. We know that exercise is the very thing that you could do for those symptoms. And it's very antithetical. Right is the the problem. Is that you you say this to somebody who is experiencing the symptom and they say so. What part of. I'm in pain. Do you not understand right now and i do understand. I absolutely understand but if you are in a situation where you have the choice to be in pain and i can make your paying a little bit better. But you're still going to be in pain. Do you want to feel a little bit better or do you want to keep feeling pain. And just keep filling in pain and it doesn't matter so those are those are unfortunately those awful choices when you're dealing with his remedies inhibitors and dealing with cash related fatigue and i love how you put the chair exercises in the book as well and they're probably on your website because they're saw are accessible for people and just to have that sense of being able to stop moving your body in a way that's accessible for today and kind of getting a little bit of those fuel good benefits. Going from the exercise and from the movement would be so helpful. Yes and i tell you. I mean we actually. We have about three share exercise videos. You know just youtube videos. So they're gathered on the that are there available and you know i decided i would. I sort of try one of these. You know early on in the process of saying we really recommend cherish your size. You know surprised how much exercise you get now sweaty. You can get just sitting in a chair and so one of the nice things about cherish your sizes that there are people who have joint tissues and who you know. Don't feel comfortable with you. Know with weight-bearing exercise and addition. There are a lot of cancer patients and survivors who are dealing with huma therapy induced Rossi and who don't feel steady on their feet. In addition there's also course at all subset of patients survivors who were dealing with bone metastasis in. For whom is not really safe for them to be doing wavering exercise they have in the legs particular and so all of that together chair exercise time out to be quite a good idea and and can be fairly fairly rare. Yeah absolutely and there's another couple of benefits as well like a lot of people head yesterday to me. Surgery have reflects problems. Siping a pride in the chair is great for that. And i will say a cup. Twitter feed paypal chair yoga as part of the recovery. Especially if someone's feeling dizzy or frail. I feel quite safe in the chair. They're not going to worry about falling over and especially may taking on zoom. I have the carrot in the room. But i feel safe. That they're steadying him much more. So than if i was trying to get them to get up and down off the ground or something where they have a full. Yes and you've actually. You've opened a topic. That i think is really really important. That is people. Don't feel safe. And i think that it is you know going back to something. We talked about much earlier. One of the issues with exercise during and after cancer treatment is the people. The culture tells them that they shouldn't be like you know you. Close your eyes of a person who has scott undergoing cancer treatments. You probably picture someone who's either bald or has a skull carving their head or a hat on their head. They're sitting in a big chair when the arm and it landed over their lives right. They're not they're certainly not moving right as they're not being told by the doctors that they should know and so if they're not being told by the doctors should move them. They have the question. Is it safe. Is it safe for me to do this. You know and as they don't know that it saves then there's that question of like okay. Well how do i do this. If you're telling me now that i should do. I do this in a way that i will feel safe. And if that's exercise more power to high. 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Your doctors is something that really stood out to me because you write about all of the studies and how many of those specialists believe that has been official to exercise but it seems like this issue that it's really no one's department so you'll surge tokyo about surgery or radiation oncologist to talk to you about radiation but they just covered their own little area of specialty so no one gets to those holistic benefits of something like exercise and movement or they feel like they want to overload the patient with another task. Would you like to speak a little bit about the communication challenges and how this message just isn't getting translated to the patients. Yes i would very much like this is. This is a a major topic of of you know what. I'm interested in researching the rest of my career so that we can solve it. The very first thing i want to say is that there's a an issue in the field of medical college that contributes to this and that is that we have a mismatch of the number of cancer patients with number of medical colleges. We have a number of the number is going up with the graying of society by we are having fewer macklin colonists over. Here's and so so. We actually have a a lack of providers and so what that means is that every single provider is having to talk faster right. They need to get through more in the same day of work that they have. That's the first thing says same thing to say is that i am very confident that medical surgical radiation oncologists and oncology nurses are eager for their patients to be as well as they can be and to and to and they want them to exercise for the most part of the surveys than i have seen indicates the vast majority of these professionals are very much in favor of exercise that sent. It is really unfair for us to lay their feet when they are trying to get through all of what. They're trying to get through in the short time that they have that the patient. Hey do this one other thing because the truth is that there's not just one other thing about fifteen other things. There are all kinds of things that these clinicians need to cover with these patients. At any given time fertility preservation financial distress psychosocial distress cold caps. How you are going to maintain your hair as you go through your Your chemotherapy fifteen different things that you could list out that are evidence base some of them more vinyl than others. By one person's estimation of things by another's more vital than an i write. It just depends on what you think. Most important some sewing thinking what we need is waiting to figure out a new flow of activities in the oncology clinics so that it is possible for the supportive staff in the oncology clinics to make clear that the doctor wants patients be physically active and to make an active referral of the patient to high-quality exercise in college program. And that if there is any kind of reason why the person shouldn't be going to Exercise program because they have really bad romsey or zero Whatever the issue might be that that versus automatically refer to outpatient rehabilitation. But i i think i think that are you familiar with dina. Rube goldberg machine is. Yeah yeah nah okay. All right so rudy. Gobert machines like you. You've took the ball and your hand move at the beginning. Then the ball goes and it goes and goes and goes and always automatically lands like in the best ball hoop or whatever right. We need to invent a rube goldberg machine. For exercise oncology we need to in some way so that it is just you know all doctor has to say is this person should go right and the whole system is built so that the patient gets the referral and understands that. The doctor thinks this is an important part of their care. So so i guess one of the things is trying. I didn't say out loud that i will now is. I think it's exceedingly important that we not blame. The providers the providers. You're doing their level best. We need to reinvent healthcare delivery in a way that it is easy for these providers to do we know is the right thing to do and i think part of that as well as mental health support and perhaps mental health support for the providers to because dealing with some of the hottest conversations you could ever have with another human being and the human being in question is dealing with the moist intense thing. That's probably happened to them in their life facing death and like mental health referrals. Not automatic is caught. If that car sits say something you have to ask for something you have to that yup. Right right well. There is actually a lovely story in the us about that and it is to me a what i hope is is a predictive story. For exercise oncology and the story is that there was You know really really. Talented researcher and clinician jimmie holland. Who was morris on kettering. And and she you know saw clearly from her research that the patients who were experiencing a lot of psychosocial issues a lot of set logical issues and weren't Dealt with weren't doing well that they did not survive. Their cancer says well they did not with standard treatments as well and so she went on this campaign to get screening and referral for psychosocial stress to be standard of care and she succeeded in doing so by going through a an organization called College insurgents on cancer acosta and they basically rules day and a lot of major cancer centers around the united states and she got a standard written that requires that all cancer centers all cancer clinics ask patients about sex social distress and if they found the person had elevated distress there be a place for them to make referrals and guess what they found. One hundred percent in the paper were in distress. They found that everybody was in distress. And they didn't have enough places to send people in so it started a second wave of a mind we have to build these clinics. We have to provide services for all of these patients. Well that's what. I would like to see happen with exercising cancer and so this is a very exercise focus question and i love how you address this because we're both yoga teaches and you mentioned as well that you love yoga but that's not the type of exercise that you're talking about here the things that you so really getting the best results from strength training and aerobic exercise. Would you like to talk a little bit more about that in the specific benefits that you notice with those types of movements. Sure absolutely so i. I do want to give the caveat that it's not that yoga isn't beneficial is that we haven't had enough studies about yoga that i can point to them as a scientists say yoga official so the absence of evidence is not saying as the as evidenced the absence of effect. So without the caveat where we do have. The evidence is Aerobic exercise and resistance training. And so i can divide the benefits of these types of exercise into primary secondary prevention of cancer and into and then separately into how they help for people who are currently undergoing treatment or recently completed their treatment so when we look at the primary and secondary prevention is really aerobic exercise that we have the evidence from because the majority of the studies that have been done in. This area are cohort and control centers. Very large hockey relation based studies. They're not randomized control. Trials but on the basis of literally tens of thousands of cancer cases and hundreds of thousands of people that have been followed around the world. We do have really great confidence. That exercise prevents is seven common types of cancer including stomach. Interesting interestingly so breast and colon and stomach and betrayal and lou. I like this. You know it's it's like the drawers you go to try to name them and you always forget. It might just doesn't come back to you anyway. I'll i'll think of what it is while we're talking. So so the flip side. And oh and i should say that. The aerobic exercises what we really know about with regard to the recurrence of cancer as well and the data on the benefits of aerobic exercise and reducing. Recurrence of cancer is stunning. It is tiny in that. The magnitude of the effect is anywhere from twenty to fifty percent depending on the study that we that we look out and there are three cancers for which we see really striking evidence that being more physically active reduces the risk of recurrence and death from brass colon and prostate cancers. So it doesn't mean that there isn't the possibility of improvement in survival from other cancers. Those are the three that we have the evidence for this time now when we move into the patients and the patients either during their cancer treatments or after the treatment is over in their recovering from her treatment. We actually have large really rigorously. Performed systematic review on sixteen. Different health outcomes that are related to cancer and and maybe cause some of them. Are you know cancer. Side effects in this review of the sixteen outcomes was done by this large expert panel that came together from the american colleges madison and seventeen other major medical organizations. And you know the the review basically said what we're interested in is knowing if there is sufficient evidence from randomized control trials that we can prescribe exercise precisely life medicine. So not just. Hey go get some exercise. But i wanted exercise three times a week at sixty percent of your maximum capacity for thirty minutes. Every session right. So that's what i mean by the specificity of the of the exercise and we were able to include that we could make that kind of madison like prescription for eight different cancer side effects and symptoms and outcomes and they are catch related fatigue not surprisingly visible function which is how define our ability to hick things up and carry them around including our children. Anything else you might need to pick up and carry around including yourself a see. What else bone. Health so osteoporosis is now come here sleep. Anxiety depression and breast cancer related limpid. Ema so those are the outcomes that we know for sure are helped by being more physically active and we have developed a an info graphic that helps the average person to understand what the specific recommendation is so for example in the case of breast cancer related lengthy deny it is only resistance training. That is helpful. Not aerobic exercise so twice-weekly strength training is helpful for prevention of dna and helping with symptoms of the amount whereas for cancer related fatigue. It's you know aerobic exercise or resistance or the combination helpful so the type of exercise in the dose of exercise that is recommended is extremely specific for each of these outcomes. Some really interesting. I just on a personal. And i guess it wasn't a prescribed by a physician but i feel very lucky that i had to sort of helped me work out some kind of exercise routine and i stopped to that three times a week. It was a mix of yoga pilates and a bit of resistance training as well. And i definitely feel that that helped me through the whole process. Yeah i i think. I think i would have been a little bit lost. Actually i did want to go back to your question you the idea of psychosocial distress and just sort of feel like pod of it is is in the why the i guess. Medical people communicate with you. Because i remember personally we. We had a very A very bad experience. Essentially i had headed test and the test came back. Showing that i had the cancer moved into my lungs. Sol's critically inoperable that's a terminal diagnosis. Yeah yeah and. I don't think the news was delivered particularly well and he also said that the taste was basically hundred percent accurate and it turned out that it wasn't the case at all but there are a couple of weeks they whereas pretty much sure that i'm going to die. I guess what you think about the role that physicians play and this type of i guess aspect cancer. I think they played a huge role and i think they play as usual. I think that they that you know you should know that they get zero training in this. That showed showed right so like Personal experience with this. I used to teach a class. When i was on faculty at the university of pennsylvania in canton cancer epidemiology and all of my students were oncologists. And i i had a collie who. I asked to come in every year to give a talk about his research and it just so happened that he was the go-to guy at the children's hospital of pennsylvania of philadelphia. Sorry when you had to have somebody sit down with parents and say we think your child's going to die and because he was a psychologist training and was very good at this and not surprisingly one of the years that he gave the essential. He was really late. And i was like. Oh man you know this is embarrassing gonna do you know and and waited and he finally arrived and he explained what he was doing and he said to this group this this room full of on holidays one of them said will you know how do you talk about the h word. Each were being hostas as and he said well. I don't call. I don't use the word and he said but really what you need is to talk to the patient very directly about what it is this happening with them and find fight what they want and you needed to you know you need any went on talking about talking about death and this whole room of oncologists like there is immediately went to the floor. Nobody could look at it. Nobody could talk not to ask the question. So i changed the lecture. He gave from that year on. And i realized that i was doing this crazy. Crazy service count for these oncologists. His this was the only time in their training if they were getting a three hour lecture on how to talk to people about nine. And it's mindblowing. It's mind-blowing that that's not a part of their training especially in that field where it's gonna come up and also knowing that the mental health health outcomes doctors are really bad her just imagine the stress and the strain they would be under to be completely unequipped the delivering that type of news. And just the fact that that's not a part of their training at all except in your class i do. I do know of at least one program out there. That is very very specifically bringing mindfulness day. Stress reduction training to healthcare professionals. So i think that there are some efforts. But i think that they are kind of cottage industry efforts in not wholesale across the board. This is how we should train our physicians. And i noticed in your book as well that sarah actually had kind of an opposite side of that same issue with her outcomes really went properly explained like h time you thought the preceding was going to be quite mina and it was actually really made just so you just felt blindsided every step along the way because specialists when not equipped to actually say the reality well. They weren't equipped but they also to a certain extent they didn't know and so so one of the things that we sort that i i really danced around about your. How am i gonna blame the clinician. But at the same time i what i call the clinic right. This and the truth is that they didn't do job was a and i don't think clinician suit job of general. They didn't do your job which is to tell us that the that they didn't know things you know they they ll ask to believe that you know okay you. Don't we know witnesses. We know what's going to happen. You're gonna have surgery in that you're going to have radiation right Believe that's what's going to happen. You're going to have this surgery. You're in have radiation right with a didn't tell us was if we don't get clear margins than the surgery you probably have to now. Should they have told us that or should they not that is they told us that. Then we're really worried about clear margins from surgery right. And most of the time they hit the margins just didn't happen to be in serious case. They told us okay. We're gonna have you. You're now. I will say with a with the reconstruction process. There was a lot of missner. They're alive mismanagement. Every single time we went in for surgery we had conversation. We said he said okay. I'm gonna do is abc. does it matter what right. Abc abc and then he would come out of surgery and say i q r s and say what okay why you know and he would say oh because the tissue was not ready for abc. I had to do q r s right but never wants says. Will you know i plan do. Abc but if tissue. No that i'm going to have to do something else. And that happened five times and then they finally said to her after telling her leading her to believe that she was going to have a perfect purple. Knows that was like you. Just send a nose job. you know. Deauville you're gonna douse. They asked the last surgery. She came back for after the last surgery. And he said yang sarsour. There's nothing else. I can do for it so yeah i think there's a lot of i think there's a lot of communication training they could happen and i don't think i think they get training on how to actually cut the nose off. Not kidding as opposed to how to talk to somebody about is that you're gonna cut their owners and we'll say i think a lot of communication training is about being in control and being direct when actually have uncertainty and a lot of these procedures and at might feel unprofessional to say. We not show what this outcome is going to be. it could go in these different directions and are just. You have to wonder if there's a bit of a ego involved as well. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know i will tell you that. I you know the conversations that i had with clinicians this tell me that they are tortured by this stuff that they they really want very badly to get right. I get that. I just just to change the subject a little bit so now we will be in the age of covert and. I'm just wondering. Does this put a bit of a spanner of the works. When it comes to cancer treatment. I guess it means a lot of hospitals have listened viability. lists capacity. So what do you think of the effects of this process. Well there are very definitely. You know it's it's very observable that people's cancer treatments for being delayed and older because hospital staff and resources are needed for For cova cases instead so much less than a height of elective surgeries. But you know cancer. Surgeries are being delayed because of code like they need those intensive care beds that that person would need for a waco so after this surgery for someone who needs it right now right they just need the hospital bed intensive care any hostile. Yeah yeah it's it's it's problematic. Please get vaccinated lease get away hundred and your booster right well. I'm still waiting for my second dyson. Melvin australia is pretty slow on the vaccination roll out unfortunately okay of hey to and that's pretty much because my michigan history. So there's your yeah. Yeah so i guess we nearly added time but we do have one more question that we generally ask all. I guess and it might be very difficult to do better on gonna give it a try anyway. So i guess if you could distill everything that you've learnt and everything that you teach down to one core essence what you think that one thing would be exercise people living within beyond cancer gives you your life back and i think that really is summed up in your book at such amazing compilation of your professional work. And your personal journey with sarah and let your date passion for this work and for making people's lives better as they have the diagnosis have their treatment. Something else that you really acknowledges well is the long-term ultra affects. And i think that. Sorry k now. I you know i think i really mean it that you know. 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Eric Topol on Deep Medicine

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Eric Topol on Deep Medicine

"Welcome to econ talk part of the library of economics and liberty. I'm your host Russ. Roberts of Stanford university's Hoover Institution. Our website is econ- talk dot org. Or you can subscribe comment on this podcast and find links and other information related to today's conversation also find archives. We listened to every episode we've ever done going back to two thousand six or Email addresses mail it. He contact dot org. We'd love to hear for. Today's made thirteenth twenty nineteen my guest is courteous, and author, Eric Topol founder and director of the scripts research, translational institute, and professor and executive vice president of scripts research. He is the former leader of the Cleveland Clinic, and the founder of the medical school there. This is his third appearance on econ talk having appeared in April twenty thirteen and may twenty fifteen to discuss to his books. His latest book, the topic of today's episode is deep medicine, how artificial intelligence can make healthcare human again. Eric welcome back to contact. Thanks for us a real joy to be with you. What do you mean by deep medicine? So deep medicine is really three separate layers, the first of, which is deep FINA, typing refers to getting all the relevant information, the medical essence about a person about that individual then deep learning to take all that data to process it. Learn from it so that we can do a far better job, more accurate more more ideal for the person's prevention, their management of conditions their outcomes, and that would get us to the state of deep empathy, which is enhancing, the Uman Bod, the patient, doctor relationship by the use of technology. This counter intuitive sent that technology can enhance you manage. And you are you in are certainly agree there right now. There's some barriers between the doctor and the patient being caused by a technology. We're gonna come to that later, but I want to contrast your definition of deep medicine with what you call shallow medicine, you are. That's what we're practicing. Now. What do you mean by Shalah medicine? What's wrong with in a? Well our what's right current medical practice. Right. Well, it's, it's sad. And we haven't really fessed up to it Russ that we have so many errors over twelve million serious diagnostic errors year. We've got the problems of intifada int- time insufficient context, insufficient presence, so Davidge appointment is seven minutes. For a return visit twelve minutes for a new visit totally inadequate, and we know that the mistakes are being made no less lack of real. Action human connection, so altogether. We have this burn out of doctors because during those limited minutes. They're pecking away at a keyboard typically their data clerks. So we have burn out in depression at peak levels. We know that burnout doubles the rate of medical errors. So we've got a recipe year when you put it all together of horrendous lack of care, the lack of humanity empathy compassion. All the qualities I presence trust all the things we used to have forty years ago before medicine became a big business, and clinicians were squeezed to the hill. Your books about our visual intelligence, and I can't help. But notice in that summary of what's wrong with today's situation that most of those things that you mentioned empathy and others not quantifiable, but the revolution that is promised for official intelligence, a revolution based on data quantification of aspects of, of human health and various interventions into that hells in the results of those interventions. So we're gonna come back at the end and talk about the potential empathy to be important again in medicine, but in the meanwhile there's a lot of excitement maybe too much about what machine learning and big data can bring to, to medicine it and much your your books phenomenal survey of where we stand in that in that potential. Revolution. But I have to say that one of things I got from your book. Is that much of that revolution has been over hyped? Would you say that so far? Which you say that's accurate that absolutely true. Ross said there's very few prospective studies that isn't a clinical environment what we have mostly relying upon this long on promise short on proof on, these retrospective data sets sometimes very large, sometimes even millions of people in them. But that's a very different matter. When you have this kind of buttoned up in silicone oil, demonstration of impact as computer going forward in a real world environment in medicine where things aren't so pristine more challenging. And so we only have a very limited handful of studies that have been in his prospective category. So that's why there's lots of excitement, but we're missing lots of Allah. Dacian. And so hopefully over time we start to see that gap close because otherwise we've got a just a inordinate amount of hype associated with AI in medicine so far. I was giving a talk the other day. And somebody said. Boy to mazing, what Watson has done for cancer diagnosis. And I thought I just talked to somebody was David abstains book. I've read his book range, Ray said that the Watson diagnostic attempts were Dekel debacle, and that, you know, we had to tone, down a lot of the ridge enthusiasm, but I think a lot of people didn't get that second message. They got the. Yeah. Well, there's probably no company among the tech titans, as IBM as I wrote in the book that has been out there promoting hyping things they have not accomplished and the Watson on college cancer product as really never delivered as it had promised. The only thing it's done, which doesn't even need is matchup patients with potential clinical trials of experimental drugs. But that is far from what we have hopes for eventually. We'll see not just, of course in cancer, but across all aspects of medicine and healthcare, let's start with cancer diagnosis. What was the what was the hope at least at the time when Watson was Watson being a large supercomputer with some ideally, some learning and other types of techniques to improve diagnostic? Six what was the hope? Why did it fall short? As far as you can tell. Will the hope would be have the data of a person, all called together in crystallize for the clinician, of course ultimately for the patient, so that would mean taking their electric health record data their theology data from biopsy? Their scanned data genomic data. The sequencing the tumor put all that together and help with the analysis to come up with the best therapy. So that fell apart because initially IBM did a big project with MD Anderson, one of the country's leading cancer, hospitals and they couldn't even get past electron health record side because as it turns out that the records, we have today these hallowed use that in quotes, electronic health record their farcical because they're cut in pasted note. Eighty percent are cut and paste it. And they're Laden just chock full of errors that go from one note to the next. And there are lots of free text that are typed in so it's not structured, so it can't be digitized. So basically they were trying to do something that was not possible, and they didn't ever execute eventually the whole relationship with MD Anderson, who had paid tens of millions of dollars to be m it all fell apart. The is that you're talking about the cut and paste part this, I assume are an mistake that a doctor makes in in working on a keyboard in the presence of a patient. And then when the patient comes back, cutting and pasting the same text from the last visit to save time thereby repeating the error making it look like it's more. It's more true. Even when it's not true at all. Is that what we're talking about? Weren't talking about whereas yes yes, but it's even worse than that. It is that the somehow or other the patient acquires die. Diagnoses that they don't have or medications that they've never taken, and they just go from one to the next. And so it's fascinating is if you give patients the right to edit their notes, which they should have that, right? Then you start getting the truth. Which is I never had that diagnosis. I never had that medication. So what happens is whenever something is entered about patient. It's romania. It just perpetuated. Yeah. Yeah. And you talked about the importance of patients taking control of owning and having ownership of their own data and in your previous book, and we talked about that on that econ- talk episode on Kerstiens go back to that. It just it's extraordinary sample of bizarre culture. Right. When I go to get my oil changed, and they put in a certain kind of oil at a certain mileage rate, certain part, a certain level milder, my car, and they put a little sticker on my car to tell me win that will you know what that. Mileage was at the time when I'm due for my next time in. Of course, I choose not to come back. I can I can till the sticker off. If it's grossly wrong, I can write on it. I can decide it's too early and come back later. But somehow, the just the very idea that I could edit my own record is a bizarre, one in our current culture of doctor patient relationship. We, we would it's it seems somehow presumptuous for me to edit my own data. Remember data. Here's just a narrative. It's not really it could be data literally could be what my blood pressure was or what, my, my heart rate was at a certain time. But, but this is also usually with patients said, compla- of, and if I if you miss heard being or spelled it wrong, and it's prone to dangerous visitor predation I could just like a Google doc theory. I should be able to fix it. But I can't that's bizarre. It's so frustrating in his distant outgrowth of metal. Paternalism you know doctors in control control freeze. And so we have seen evidence now this project. My open note at several a medical health systems in the country are working on where they have started start letting the patients editor note, and it's been a YouTube success. The patients are happier that they don't have all these errors. They copies of notes and the doctors are happy that these notes these mistakes have been cleared up, so that should be the norm. You know, I hope we'll get there someday. It's also really important in era of AI, because if you have wrong input, you're going to get bad output. So we've got to get this problem fixed. I'm talking to Dr Topol right now. But I call you Eric. It's bit presumptuous. But I've mentioned that because I once had a friend who said that, that he always called her. She always called. The gender the friend was, but they always called the doctor by their first name to sort of even the playing field because the doctor comes in and says, Russ how you doing? Well, thank you for asking Dr Topol and the fact that I have a PHD comics courses were nothing when I'm in a white gown, the examining room but it's not just the doctors who have had the paternalism I think we as patients see the doctor as shame in god-like figure who's going to save us. And we don't really want to be on a first basis with you. And we kind of probably some of like the idea that we don't have access to our records, that would be somehow. I don't know rebellious will. Yeah, it's a bit of this suppression mode has continued. And the problem is when medicine became data Centric, and imminently, portable than least those people who want to have their database should have rights to it, and it should be. Correct data. It should be should be real. So I think we're in this transition it's, it's really going to be important to get this, right. Because it is about ownership control is about accuracy of data. All these things are going to be important, if we're going to ever get all that can be obtained chief, with machine support, otherwise, it's a, it's a real compromise. And I, I, I know exactly what you're losing to when I was publishing. Deep medicine. I have a fight with the publisher to take 'em MD off the cover and the same thing I went through the nasal after yet. They say oh would be good for sales. I don't care if it's good for sales. I don't want 'em d I'm just a, you know, another person and my patients and I are on equal footing. And maybe I have more knowledge base in experience, but the key is, we gotta get this democratize because if patients take more charge they have there. Data. They have algorithms, helping them that's going to make life better for everybody. But that we, we choirs is less control freak on Dr side and willingness to let patients take on this responsibility, which they're not all. But so many are eager to have that charge in on their side. And we're going to empower them if they choose adventure. My eighty six year old mom is the day after mother's day, happy mother's day. Mom, she. Feels guilty getting a second opinion. I said, why she said hurt the doctor's feelings simple. Your life is at stake. Does that count it all? And I there's a generational aspect to this. I assume younger patients are more willing and eager to take charge is true, there isn't any questions in age gradient. But it is intimidating good Lada patients, feel, I give they question, get second opinions or somehow get a lesser form of, of care. Not just not get that, that bond that they see. So there's still a problem irrespective of age. But drops the right older people are generally used to paternalism and they're not gonna question it in a normal world. A doctor would get a market edge and find it useful marketing to tell his repayments that, that the doctor goes. Gets a second opinion four. You right. I'm sure there's different there many, many difficult diagnoses where you ask a colleague for insight, but it interesting model to have a clinic where you retain -ly asked for a second opinion, that the doctor did that in the patient didn't have to write with way. It should be allowed the mistakes that are being made our because those second opinions are not obtained, and that's where, again this machine, algorithms support in lieu of doctor, and perhaps even better than a second or multiple opinions can help bring us to a higher plane of accuracy. Talk about radiology, and imaging you quote someone in your book. I can't remember but someone says, we shouldn't be training radiologists anymore, because they're soon going to be absolute this appears to be one of the areas where machine learning and have made some real inroads, and are, are quite successful. Talk about what's going on. Radiology ride will, quote you mentioned his from gift hidden who is the father of deep learning recently received the turing prize, which, as you know, like the Nobel prize of computer science, and that, of course, is Iranian as much as I have the highest regard for gift, hidden in his colleagues who offered in steep learning. The problem is, is that radiologists are going to be needed. There's AI is going to help them. It's not going to replace them. So let's just look at the data for medical scans in note that over thirty percent of scans read today by union radiologists thirty percent have a false negative. They miss something. That's a pretty big rate of false negatives. And that rate can be brought down, maybe not desirable, but to a very low single digit number with deep learning of the scans. So we've already seen that across the board largely in these retrospect of data sets, but whether it's chest x rays or CT scans, or MRI scans ultrasound, scans whatever you name it. The accuracy rate has been markedly enhanced by having deep learning. Algorithm. Mic interpretation first and then the eyes of the radiologists that were. Headed that will help us get to this machine and human symbiosis, which is what we're after. But the other thing and introduces Ross is what will the radiologist do with all this extra time since the prescreening the primary review is done by the machine. And I think that opens up some really exciting opportunities and talk about what those are because reminded me I, I don't think you mentioned it in the book, but it's my understanding. I don't know. It's true. But it's my understanding that a chess program, the best chess program in the world can beat the best human chess player. But the best human working with the chest program can beat the best program working by itself in a statement that this would be an area that might be analogous that the radiologist using some human art could supplement the narrow, Anna. Ability of the of the reading of the x Ray or the scan is, that's a good analogy. And if so what's going on? What would be the nature of that added, synergy, or complementarity to perfect now in Gary casper of would agree with that? So the idea is proven now, I think unequivocally that machines can see things that you can't that you will never see perhaps, the best example again is a medical scan of the retina. And if I show pictures of the retina to the retinal, international expert, and I say this from a male or female, the chance of them getting it, right? Is fifty percent. But if I put that the deep learning algorithm, can get to ninety seven percent accuracy. So there's certain features that machine can see that you can't now on the other hand if machines are trained to find. Pulmonary Najah on chest. X Ray or risk fractures or whatever they're trained for that specific purpose. But the radiologist is looking at it in a larger context which machines don't really have a contextual basis. So there are gonna be complementarity of strength, which is just getting at your point. And that's what's exciting beyond the fact that, you know, a lottery, I don't really like living in the dark basement and wouldn't it be nice if they can come up out of the darkness, and talk to patients and wouldn't patient want that, because, you know, they're getting, let's say worked up for possible surgery, and they're not gonna get straight talk from the surgeon, but very Algis has no vested interest in doing the procedure of the operation, and they have the expertise of having reviewed the scan so they can be the honest brokers in helping patients and be patient advocates. And also, as you know Russ. So many scans in the United States are unnecessary, and so great. I'll just could also they don't provide this today, but they could assume gatekeeper function, make the system more efficient that is doing this Ganz for, for good reason in unnecessarily, we are exposing our population to inordinate radiation. I n ising radiation, because we just have this willy nilly approach, again, going back to the fast appointment. Encounter with patient is easier to just get lab tests done in scans because you don't have enough time with the patient, and that's been proven so we have more time with patients have less gained. And if we have radiologists who are not having to spend as much time reading skin, they can help out in, in making the whole system. Better reminds me of what I think is one of the. Misunderstandings of the modern era, which is that I think a lot of people leave that more information is always better than the less the case, where it's not the case. And I wanna miss the chance for you to talk about incidental Lomas. Now, incidental, Almas the word Omah at the end of word say sounds like melanoma, like a cancer or elite, you know, a growth, what's an incidental Loma. Well, it's, it's like that, it's, it's a growth, could even some people would even character is a cancer spreading. But what it is when you do a test. It's unnecessary. And you find something you weren't looking for. So it appears incidentally, this is a this is a serious problem throughout medicine today, because we have so much over cooking over testing unnecessary. Scans are perfect example, that we find all these things. So you have, you know, assistant liver or the gallbladder when you're looking at some other thing that, while you order to gain in the first place. Oh, and all we have to go work that up. And so the problem isn't that great. I mean better find it the not side it right. Well, no. As it turns out, most of these rabbit hole adventures wind to very costly. They're very traumatic. I mean you have to go through biopsies and sometimes other operations all sorts of lab tests, so they are expensive and create tremendous anxiety in almost invariably. There's nothing there. So basically, it's a wild goose chase in. It's good for, you know, the revenue of certain medical entities people, but is bad for patient. And we want to get rid of all these, and actually that this is. Getting some fundamental economic of healthcare United States because we have the big inequity problems. But that's not the only reason why our healthcare is so expensive with poor outcomes. Part of it is because we overdo so much, and we have these rabbit hole incident almost stories that are so frequent and that is where our eighteen percent GDP with are decreasing life expectancy, and worst maternal child, infant mortality of the whole ec-, d thirty six countries in the world. So we have a really bad business model. And part of it is rooted on overdoing things unnecessary incidental, oh my chasing. And I just can't emphasize enough the that, that mantra born formations better. It's just not it's just not true all the time. And but, but our human impulses is gimme the data, which is pretty good impulse to start with. But in other contexts, it's not so good at takes peace of mind for starters. Also sure, you mentioned at besides the biopsy and the surgery, that's time skills, you and the radiation that kills you later, you don't realize is part of the cost of this. It's not it's not free, even if it's free out of pocket, which is part of our problem. And that people make that decision. The doctor be don't bear any cost. If it turns out to be unnecessary, it's still has his other costs, which are hard ordered to notice. Let's talk about pharma, pharmaceutical discovery about five years ago, I met someone at Stanford who was working on in this area. And I thought this is going to be such a big revolution. The ability search for compounds molecules in it many, many times faster exploring many, many, many times, the variation, it's possible than appreciative standard lab setting in yet much of that has not produced discoveries that certainly if he was promising at the time. What's the challenge there? Well, as you know, there's such a bad track record for all these drug candidate that ultimately fail, whether it's because of unanticipated toxicology or lack of efficacy. So we have a really big problem, where so much research development dollars go into drug efforts in development. So little that comes out of the funnel at the end that really works, and that we lead to these multi billion dollars per drug development program, and then we see it reflected in these ridiculous pricing of, of new drug, so the idea, which is not yet proven. But it it's certainly being a pushed on intensely with a crowded field of at least twenty five companies that are in one aspect, or another of using AI to exceleron to make more efficient, drew. Discovery efforts, it's every aspect, whether it's mining, the literature all the way through simulations modelling to do far better in predicting efficacy and safety, so it, it's encouraging seen some really big deals out there. See tro and Gilead, where some of the traditional pharma companies bio pharma are suddenly realized they ought to team up with the I experts, but we have yet to see a new drug. That's a true AI a product. So we we're again, this is one of those waiting for proof points. But at least there's some intense effort friend of mine is chemists said when I asked him about this prepping for this conversation, he said, which just don't know enough about the body it, it's not so much if we don't have data. We just don't understand how the body works. And of course, eventually, maybe the data will help us get a better grip on that. But there's just so much to be discovered. And I think. As lay people. We tend to assume we've quote, pretty much figured everything out, maybe the brain. But, you know, the body, we've kind of got the basics but it's still really hard well, and also because we're so hitter genius. And it's so you think you've understood things in you start to apply this in people who are of different ancestry, are different Komor biddies, or whatever the differences are, they're all over the place and is challenging, and so it's hard to predict and that to a lot of what I try to do is to is to use data ah depth process at and predict what's going to happen. We'll see I think the drug development it's kind of like overall healthcare. It's, it's, it's so inefficient that it probably is unit. Directional probably has to get better, but remains to be proven sock about mental health you talked about the potential machine. Enes to accurately, detect depression. Seventy Shane learning accurate accurately, detect depression, seventy percent of the time. And I thought that was a really nice example of one of the challenges of dealing with false positives, false negatives. Which is, how would you know what the level in, in size of the false positive false negative population is in an how accurate forecast is I don't think we can clinically defined depression. So what would it mean for machine? Diagnostic to be accurate, seventy percent of the time. Well, I think it's gonna get even at some point much higher. And that is because up until now we've relied on all these subjective. I wouldn't even wanna call metrics. How are you feeling? Are you down this really soft? But now we have hard metrics in multiple so turns out our, our speech, our voice is really rich. You can tell a lot about a person's state of mind their mood from their voice and beyond their voice, they're breathing. So they're breathing with lots of size that would denote depression in the near the key board of your smartphone, where you're texting or. That the strokes on the keyboard are, are very telling no less your physical activity, how much you're communicating. You know, there's so many features at passively can be collected now with, with minimal effort with, you know, truly passive that would give a person state of mind, which we didn't have before. So one of the interesting things russes how much of this data. Do we really need to be a truly getting insightful score? If you will or grade of a person's state of mind, because it's, it's, it's that person that were trying to have whether or not I depression medicine is working a dose of the medicine or other means of therapy, weather's just increasing physical activity or or sleep, or whatever it is. So what you wanna do is have these metrics in use long data so long. Serially. You're assessing this. So it just has to be good enough. It really is a genuine image measurement for that person. And so it's still in the early days, but we didn't have objective multiple metrics before that could be seamlessly captured. And now we do. So there's excitement for that. There's one other area in mental health. That's unanticipated. It's especially exciting. And that's the idea that people are more comfortable to share their innermost deep secrets with an avatar. Instead of human being so that will help the cause as well, potentially found extremely interesting. My great grandmother wrote about this in my Adam Smith. But my great grandmother was probably born in either Poland or Russia or Hungary, depending on what were it was after, you know, her joke was she used to live in Russia, and then after where what or the territory renamed Poland part of Poland, which is great because that we shouldn't have any more Russian winters. But Surrey rip shot there. But she is to say to my father or her parents. If you're depressed, go outside and talk to a rock, and there was a lot of folk wisdom there. Right. Because their he'll say to a rock that you won't say to another person. You know, it's part of the religious impulses idea that you're talking to something larger than yourself. Now Iraq is. A little smaller than yourself, perhaps, but it it's, it's an avatar that we might endow irrationally with the ability to listen and we could hear more in sharing might be the case, not somebody listen. I think you've nailed it in so has great grandmother with that. The point being is that a lot of us did not expect that they would be this great comfort enhanced comfort of dealing with a machine versus human in such a private matter. But it turns out the case it's been replicated by many groups now. And so when you combine the ability to passively have deep learning about a person's state of mind in that feature you start to see a path of being able to have less reliance on the lack of mental health professionals we have today. So as you will know depression is one of the greatest burdens we have chronic illness, and it says an immense impact on disability. And it's something that is not supported enough because we don't have the counselors and psychology. Psychiatrists. We know there's a mismatch, that's profound. And it's not just, of course depression, all the other mental health conditions. So the fact that we could take advantage of these new aspects where we can take all the data, so you have kind of machines, two dimensions making a potential solution. It's still very early though. And again this, like so many things we're discussing great potential, but has to be proven. I think most people think incorrectly. That depression is a. A definable disease with symptoms that can be established in the way that cancer cells can be, and that's not true. As you say, it's, it's often defined as the conjunction of a set of scores on the answering set of questions. It's not something you can do a scan of and determine I wanna things I worry about after conversation with Amy Webb here about artificial intelligence and some of the privacy issues that I know you're worried about in. I could imagine that, if my keyboard touches were sufficiently unenthusiastic in my tone of voice, when talking to my assist my virtual assistant was sluggish or low energy that I might be put on leave for my job for my own protection, say or required by some surveilling Alexa to report in for some information, good. Of course, would be the claim by just. There's some privacy issues there that are very scary to me. I agree with you. That is something that hasn't adequately addressed in needs to we have to have sheri- that your voice state of mind in need. Other metrics are not going to be used by employers, or health insurers or any disgruntled discriminative you. So this is something that is not sure up in is one of the many aspects. It ultimately soluble. I mean get laws. It could be technological ways to, to help preserve privacy in lack of misuse of data, but we haven't really got the, the technology is way ahead of, of the, the legal and ethical aspects that need to catch up. The thing I. I worry about is the company that promises it won't sell my data won't use my data. How do I know? And what would you what's the? Like the Reagan rural trust, but verify. I like trusting for it. But how do I verify that? And that's why I think the only model that works is ownership you own your data. And if you wanna sell it, okay great. You're gonna share it for research duddy. Great. And if you want to participate in our or just have co production of your healthcare with doctor or health system, fine. But if you are in control of it, you own it in, that's the otherwise, I, I don't know how we're going to get to the, the trust, plus verify mode, and we've already seen in the non medical sphere. You know how are data are being brokered sold left and right. And that's just unacceptable. You know, you might get away with that with things that are not material, but there's nothing more precious about your data than your health, your conditions medications take. You really don't want that out on the internet. A lot of people, of course, are worried about call it monopoly. It's not literally monopoly, but the market power that, that large. Firms have that do collect a lot of data from us. And it seems to me a lot of other people have noticed, I'm not the only one that the traditional antitrust solutions. These problems aren't really don't say relevant. They seem literally with our goal to, to what the issues are. I think we ought to be looking at changing the regulatory legal environment for of property rights and ownership of that data. And then if people want to sell their day to break profit from it, and force that would force these large companies to share their gains with their so-called customers, which in fact, it's there or not their customers. A lot of the time we're just there we're their inputs or their prey. But yeah I'm trying. I'm trying to be neutral. Drifting, into a bad place. I'm worried but you mentioned the potential for hospitals becoming obsolete. You mentioned that hospitals, they grew about a third of our medical costs right now. They don't go literally just to the hospital to go to the doctors in the hospital, but the hospital structure is a huge for middaYwe barrier to innovation in my mind. Why do you think there's a chance they could become obsolete? And how would that happen? Why would potentially be a good thing? It why I don't think there's question that it will happen. It's just a matter of win. So we have the Billy now to provide exquisite monitoring through sensors as good or better than in intensive carrying it end. All we need is to get remote the patient bedroom not in hospital to replace this prove that people are safely looked after. In their own home, that would be immensely cost-saving, because the average hospital stay in the US is charge of five thousand dollars on a, a cost of at least half that much and then you have the risks that are involved in a hospital room. We're not talking about intensive care unit, but the regular hospital room, these people have one in fourteen of being harmed, particularly through gay acquiring an infection serious so called Nozoe Komiya infected in the hospital setting so to be able to get people in the comfort of their own home at more safe environment with continuous monitoring, you know during the time when they're they're ill instead of replacing the time maybe sitting lying in hospital room. This is something that is eminently achievable. And it just is a problem in that challenges, this critical. Aspect as you said about a third of our healthcare budgets here in the US. So taking it on with such vested interests. So little is being done amazingly to replace hospitals. You can only imagine why am I also would add that we're not talking about getting rid of operating rooms intensive care units. Emergency rooms or, or imaging sweet. We're talking about the vast the bulk of a hospital, which is regular rooms, and they are really unnecessary, and we should be making the movement to, to eradicate their need. But interestingly, Russ at the same time, we're talking, there's new hospitals that are being Bill better. Yet, you know, enormous number of rooms. Some of that cost, I would think a significant part of the cost is the technology inside that room and you'd have to replicate, a good chunk of it in the bedroom that patient that, you're, you want keep at home. How how's that going to work in and still be able to save costs? No. I mean, I think it's basically you get a wrist sensor. There's a couple that have been approved now for home use, and you continuously monitor vital sign am. And if you wanna have machine vision with a webcam, basically, you have that deep FINA, typing of that person, new understanding everything about that personnel there conditions, their medications you're now getting all their sensor data and you're getting an alert as to whether there's a problem that's arising predicted to arise before it happens. And so that alerts at a center virtual center like we, we already have seen operational in Saint Louis at mercy hospital. Oil where they have a they have a virtual medical centre with no patients in it. And so that gets rid of the need for all these rooms and any given site. You could have doctors nurses monitoring patients at a scale at very low cost because his basically using AI for each patient to have their data continuously updated and alerts that have to be reacted to in case. There is any sense of the patient is starting to have a D compensation or risk. So it seems to me that for a lot of us. Incorrectly. But for a lot of hospital is a haven. It's, it's where we get to when we're once we got there were safe, even the movie the racing to the -mergency room, you know, whether it's the pregnant wife for the accident victim, or the terrorist victim and once you're in the hospital. You're okay because in the TV show, you know, houses there and, and Mr. house and his gonna diagnose shoe and he's gonna his doctors and colleagues will sit you up and give you the magic pills in the, the fabulous operation that's going to remove the thing or whatever it is. And you're going to be okay times. That's true. The flip side of that is that one out of four times, you're gonna get life, ending potentially life, ending infection there of. So there are people who view, the hospitals, a last place to go, but just seems to be psychologically that human touch is really important. So I wanted to let shift or the last part of the book where you talk about the role of empathy medicine. Although I'm intrigued by the idea of the home. Monitoring the human touch seems essential physically touch even sometimes you emphasize in your in your chapter on this so talk about why Anthea so important in how you see that interacting with a world of so much more data, cold inhuman machinery, data monitoring sensors etcetera. Right. Well, just to round out our hospital discussion, I hasten to add that George Orwell called the hospital, the ante chamber to the tomb, and also that, you know, there isn't that much human contact doctors because they don't have time so they on rounds during just step into see a patient, maybe say, if you were very little in the way of exam, meaningful interaction, so that, of course, could be chief other means. And you know, we'll get to that, but getting to the empathy, the deep empathy in the potential for all this efficiency productivity. Keyboard liberation, the patient. Taking more charge everywhere. You look at it, you've got ability to decompress the current lives of doctors, so they have more time to think to interact to listen. And, you know, one thing a patient story the life story. You'll never get digitized. I mean, that's something you really want to listen to and, and pick up all the non. Verbal cues and, you know, there isn't just time for that today. So when you add up all these things like reestablishing trust takes time presence, that is that you're actually looking at the patient talking with them and doing a really exam rather than a pseudo exam or something cursory patients wanna be examined, and they know when the stethoscope is being put on the outside of the, you know, close, that's not a real heart examining. They're just disappointed that the doctors not taking the time to do it. Right. So no matter how you look at it is, if you have time in for tippety, potentially this could be turned back to the patient doctor relationship, and it could re establish where healthcare, what it was meant to be where it used to be, when I graduated medical school for two years ago, it was there, there was a precious relate. Ship. There was an intense trust in human bond, not always, but characteristically, and that's of course, the era Marcus Welby who was kinda the icon for all that will, now we don't have that. We've lost our way. We've got all the burn out. We got patients who are disenchanted because they feel they don't feel like they're cared for, but we have a mechanism now to get that back, which we may not see ever again, or at least for generations because we've not ever seen something that has this much potential. And so the, the problem Ross is, as you can see through quickly that it could go use the wrong way it could be taken down further by having more productivity. Well, okay, go, see more patients go read more scans in slides. And if that happened, that would be the ultimate disappointment that this technology was not used to restore care in healthcare. To me, the dark side is, there's a kiosk. It's also the bright side because it'll be cheap you walk into the chaos. Get close the door. You talk to the robot the computer, the thing that looks like human, but isn't you? Tell your problems to it decides you got a an ulcer and it get tell it dispenses the, the antibiotic right there. And then everything's great except one of the things we've learned in it, it just shines through in your book. It almost incidentally, I mean, you mentioned it, but it, it just can't bear enough, mentioning so many times in your book, their stories, I think, is at least three where a human being makes contact with another human being, and transforms them certainly, emotionally spiritually humanly, but also medically even and that empathy that human connection is a crucial part of the medical experience. And we suspect that's part of why the placebo effect is so important and so significant in in medicine. Oh, there isn't any question of it. I mean I study after study in the CBO science shows that interaction with the doctor, even of doctor says this is a placebo. It has no action, but it's that Uman touch the human factor. That is what medicine is all about. That is why we went into medicine with we want to care for people, and we've been made unable or impaired in trying to execute that charge that, that privilege, if you will. So that is something that is so deep and important that we were looking at a potential to get that back and no matter how you look at the medicine is a human touch human factor story. That's lost its way and I don't know of any other ways we can get it back, but it's going to be requiring a lot of activism is not going to happen by accident. Eventually, though will. See whether doctors can rise up and say, I demand this time between inward that I have to time with my patient so that we can go after the things that are important. Now you're getting to kiosk model or the unimportant things. I mean like today in the UK you go into a drugstore and you have UTI diagnosed with AI and get a prescription just kind of Larry Arnn tract infection. Yeah. As year which is common medical problem. It's not serious. It's Dr Lous diagnosed and treated. And so we're gonna see a lot more of those things like ear infections for kids in skin, lesions, and rashes. And the list goes on and on. And that again, will decompress the need for the, the in-person appointment, it's much more efficient. It's lot much less costly. And so we can get that time back, which is essence at gift of time to pave the way for bringing back. Relationships. But if we don't use that if we don't achieve those the relationships, then we will just go down. Spiral course that we're on right now. As an economist. Strikes me that the incentives to move to that more humane model aren't there and I would suggest drawing my extensive bias against the way the medical system is structured, the lack of feedback loops the lack of skin in the game for what should be the ultimate skin in the game. The fact that most money is being paid for by third party. The Justice such a strange convoluted system. I think it's really hard to get there from here. I think there's a way m tell me yeah, it's gonna take the unionization of doctors. And the reason I say that is, we don't have such a thing now, the AMA, which is the largest is not a union of doctors to help patients. It's a it's a self serving organization, which is only representing less than a fourth of doctors who are in practice. So we don't have all we have is a bunch of trade guilds, and we have no entity it's wants to stand up for patients if we had that it could take on this mission. And I believe that ultimately that could be formed, and that would promote activism. And the reason I say that Russ's your member recently that the National Rifle Association when after doctors, NASA state, stay in your lane and the doctors came back like I've never seen in my career. And they came back with this is our lane and it was solidarity. I have never seen. Okay. Doctor the rights over the right to ask a patient a gun in the house. Yeah. Right. Which I find I find intrusive offensive outside their lane. But okay. At least I rose up together as one good. Yeah. Well, that's the point is that for the first time ever really we saw the passion and the. Posting pictures of doctors flatter with blood floors, emergency room flooded with blood and all the passion came out, and you saw now that doctors can rise, they can rally to work together for common cause and social media helped it. I think we can do that. If we don't do that, whether it's with a formal union organization, which is solely for this purpose, not for, you know, having better reimbursement or other matters that are typically picked up by trade guilds, then, then we might get there. The irony to me, as an outsider in this field. Looking in is allowed this is driven by where what are called, nonprofits, the hospital system by doctors who are human beings who liked money like everybody else. But like to think that they're in it for higher causes. And of course they are. But the money is in there, too most archers don't wanna work for nothing. I get it McCue sacrifices to acquire the knowledge that we rely on and draw. And so I, I don't have any problem with doctors getting really rich. But it seems to be the only way this would happen. I'm not a big fan, the unionisation let me, let me just another model in Kentucky. What was wrong with good? So sometime in the past a young man. I don't know how old he was started the Cleveland Clinic, and that was you. You're not as young as you were then. But let's say you started another. We'll put let's put it in San Diego law. You're in low Thia right now. So we'll call it the low Thia clinic. And the law clinic would have a, a motto that would be very different than the at least actual models of most hospitals, which is maximize say and drive the revenue the bottom line cetera et cetera. Now, of course, it's going to have trouble competing in a certain dimension with the current set of options. So it'd have to draw on probably some philanthropic support. But I suspect there enormous number very large foundations that would be excited to say the kind of model that you're talking about and take that clinic and you would be champion and, and inspire these kinds of cultural differences in, how patients are treated, and you change the world. Of course, that's happening right now in a very, very small level for really rich people who can afford a boutique experience and still get more than those twelve minutes and seven minute appointments. We just needed for bear data set. More people. Well, but the other problem is that, you know, if you look outside the US, you see countries that are far more efficient and have are eager to Dopp day. I like in the UK where I lead there, any review in planning for the next twenty years, and in China. But the point I guess, is we're at a desperate moment in economics of healthcare, because we have the worst outcomes in the US by for at least two to three fold expenditures. I mean, this is if there was ever a broken business model. This is it. So we need a new solution in, you know, whether you start, you know, clinics as you're projecting that's not gonna course deal with this at the national scale, but watching other countries that are embracing that are planning that are incorporating implementing the things that we've been talking about today, you know, they're going. To show that they're revving up their efficiency, and their, their productivity is going to be enhanced because that's what these tools provide. So we have no plan in the US. We have an executive order of an AI initiative. The American AI initiative that was announced in February without one dollar of new resources and without any committee, your expert, planning or anything so where we are behind almost all of the major countries in the world right now that are using this to come up with a better business model for how they can deliver healthier, potentially restore the care, the Uman element at a fraction of the cost per individual as today. Well, I don't I have a different perspective. It's that's you know we're near the end number conversations. So we're not going to open this Pinter's box, but I do want to mention that stir. We spend a lot more than many, many almost every country. Sure, we have on some dimensions worse outcomes. Some of those outcomes are complicated by the fact that our population's not like their population, and I think I'm gonna guess, but maybe disagree that if you had a complicated medical situation, you'd rather be treated in law than in London as part of the NHS now that might not be true, if you're poor person, and that's unacceptable, we can debate how best to fix that. But I think some of the international comparisons misleading worry about that. I thought that just like you articulated, Russ before I spent quite a bit of time in the UK, and then I started realizing that the care, they were delivering without all the rabbit hole into. Dental Almas they can hurt people in the quality of care was excellent and that explain to me, why they're outcomes are better at a third of the individual cost to the country. So I, I understand your, your demonstrating the kinda party mind of that we have such great healthcare outcomes in the US is superior. I used to think that now I have a different view. I also think that we have the mechanism, they -bility to, to be the world leader in delivery of healthcare. But we have so many, you know, Mallon centers that get in the way that, that are formidable and can we override them? You know it's possible. I mean talking to a noted person in economics from from me, who. Has no background area. Of course, I'm definitely not going to come out with the, the meeting light. I d- is it just as challenging the status quo that we've watched erosion of care worsening outcomes at higher costs and relative to any other model in the world. Something needs to be done to really rethink what we're doing yet. Don't disagree with that. We waste an enormous amount of money. We are extremely innovative, because we pay for all these innovations out of other people's with other people's money that the other civil often enjoys I would just mentioned in passing that it. Oh my, my friends in London, who were American don't feel the same way you do about the, the, the NHS, but maybe they come with their own biases about, you know, they wanna get all the tests, you don't get them in England economy bleeding or have a bone sticking out for ver-. They'll. Area and there's some advantages to that I get it. And our culture just not easily takes to that. So they don't have very many memorize the, the advantages, they don't waste a lot of they don't find a lot of incident Aloma's the disadvantages they miss them stuff, because there's a longer waiting list, and so on. But I'm I don't deny the reality that our current system is atrocious -ly has atrocious incentives of for spending too much money with their little return. And I think we need to do something different questions. You know how do we get there from here and I don't tell me if I'm wrong. I don't think there's a lot of face to face long, periods of, of doctor patient interaction in the rest of the world either. So some of universal problem. Right. And that's we're the AI tools that we've discussed could could certainly lead to improvements there that's essential. That's medicine a global level. That is deficient in time. I mean in Asia in many parts of Asia, two minutes appointment set of seven, so we have to get better. But just getting bad to the, the UK model because in the US, as you know, life expectancy has decreased three years in a row. It's, it's never since that's been charted for well over century. That's never been the case of any country having less life expectancy three years in a row at the same time the U K is increasing like most like every other country increasing life expectancy. So just to your point about things are being missed where they must not be, too important, if they're not having any effect on life expectancy. So we got to address this and have I think it open mind that our model is, is hurting people somehow. Well, again, I, I would just mention respectfully that many other things going, I'd states. Going on elsewhere we have to easy access to opioids. We have a big country with lots of cars and inexpensive gasoline. So we kill a lot of people in our cars. We hope to make some headway against that. We have women delivering babies that much later ages because we subsidize for Tila treatments that they don't. And most of those things are tricky for us to quote fix their their, you know, there's tradeoffs there that I think a lot of Americans would would not be in favor of. But you're right. We can do a lot better. I think that's a that's undeniable, you know, I take your point about the need for risk adjustment different populations. But it's still bring to look at that. I see this data. And I think that, you know, you've referred to so much of our imbedded problems of you know with the insurance companies and the all the different perversion centers if we can somehow work through this, where we are truly patie-. Centric and that, you know, get back to the basics here. What are we doing all this for? It's for the promoting health of our people, you know, that, that would be a fundamental axiom that I, I hope again, that the tools of AI that lay before us. They really can make a difference. If we developed his properly on a clause with personal question if you don't want answer L take this out of the out of the final recording east, like me as an extremely empathetic person could be a show could be facade it. It, it screams out of your interactions with me in Email over the conversation we're having in your book, and I think one of the things I've learned from your book, is that I'm a big fan of conversation. We're having one. Now, I think we learn as humans from conversations. Sation reading your book, made me think that medical students would benefit from course on how to have a conversation and not just like an ethics class, which I think is, maybe not so valuable, but at least maybe better than nothing. I don't know. But I'm curious with us on how to train people to be empathetic. And if you think you have Andrew standing of why your the way you are is it is genetic did somebody influence, you as a young younger man to be more empathetic as a physician, you seem remarkably humble, and I haven't even listed your professional compliments at any length in my introduction earlier. So give any thoughts on that. It was a great question. And I, I don't I do feel that I can have that connect with other people in patients that, that, that's a real big part of me. The question that I grapple with in the deep empathy. Chapters cannot be nurtured. Cannot be trained. I do think you're getting at a fundamental appoint about this, which is people with emotional intelligence, that high level that really can read other people through nonverbal cues and feel the, the what's going on other people as, as they try to express themselves, what worries them in what, what excites them. So I think that in the future, if we want to get medicine at the highest level of human, contact human. Bond, we want to really foster select the people who have this high empathy quotient factor, and that isn't how we pick people today to become doctors. They're largely finding the brainiacs. Find the people with the best test scores and the best grade point. Average is in college, and that sort of thing whereas, I think, because we can outsource so much of what used to be the case that we quired the mind of the doctor a lot of that's going to be done through machine support. So I hope that we can find the people who whether it's genetic, whether it's their way they were brought up by their that by the, their family. Whatever it is, is probably some a complex admixture, but that, that it's there, I'm not sure that you can train, you can get trained people to listen. But to some extent, they have to have that in them before they go on the road of, of. Being a real important listener clinician, e you probably just can't how course so we'll see. But I think there's an there's some embedded qualities that we can select for. I guess today has been Eric Topol. His book is deep medicine. Eric, thanks for being part of econ talk. I really enjoyed it rose. Thank you for having me. This is econ- talk for the library of economics liberty for Maury contact econ talk dot org where you can also comment on today's podcast and find links readings related today's conversation. The sound engineer recon talk is rich yet. I'm your host Russ Roberts. 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Daredevil #237

"Hi i'm ri- and i'm aaron. Way or spider baby hosts from to know her is to be her a spiderwoman podcast. As well as proud members of the collective you're listening to cates an lunatics sidekicks. Enjoy the show. Episode keeps take sidekicks is brought to you by tweaked audio. Get awesome headphones. Get tweaked audio dot com and use the coupon code southgate get thirty percent offer shipping in a lifetime warranty where he can get there through the link on our website southgate media group dotcom base new parents and you are listening to not take sidekicks podcast. Hello and welcome to another episode of the wto. Now we're a daredevil. Podcast right now dare you. We have big things coming up. We have a creator. But anyway i am. Bill with the always is fire. What's going on aim to be is. It is true all right so yes. I'll announce it the end in a few episodes we're going to have a creator talked about his work in there and able to specific. I wonder who it could be. I don't know. 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We're still oh yeah. We're still in the cold war Code world war. Technically take a drink. Geez soda caffeine free today. But he's like she's like oh so. The short order cook still remembers the law but the laws against drug users. You clean them off the streets. You claim to earn wouldn't you. I pay drugs among the pushers not the rest of the citizenry indiscriminately. No you leave us alone after care. And she had shown few she's like. I didn't mean that he's a goodbye. Said ma'am back attack. so yes leaping over the rooftops. Cracks karen are off limits. Cairns clean hair now as worse for it's worse for her than it was for him finding his edge again finding his balance so he goes home to her. Oh exactly she's like you to go to dinner. China's new chinese plays. He's like let me just jump in the shower. Why don't you join me the shower. I just really inordinate amount of time naked. Wi-fi what am i gonna do with you. The we see the pattern pants. Though seriously it's fine. Definitely those see the plaque widow going home and calling her a good friend. Barbara wayland good friend. Just like her in a. What's her face. Our good friends on the why his centaur lord two hundred to go to see then the public which is my doors but he misunderstand. We need a man to compliment you. Get elsie on the phone at an appreciate this. I know. but she's like you know it's all politics works both ways you know. Her husband's her beside him. And you know in cases tat tat tapping his feet underneath stall. Oh am say. It's always the republican senators. I'm just saying other ones scream. The most about his sexuality. Yeah exactly i mean. Honestly i don't know how florida state father shenanigans. The go on down here at don't understanding people that's lie. All the people are technically snowbirds for the most Golden girls here residents you can. We'll see how it turns out now. She's a she's like she's like dealer. Heroes i know where the offenders of other security listing downgraded the champions who scattered all champions. No editor's note no pickup. Those books get him back issues. Rude champions lee lasted a whole seventeen. Issues may does better than a lot of comics nowadays through. You're not spiderman or batman or x. Men watch your back even x. Men got kind of pushed off for a while. Oh talk about that tomorrow. Expert legends one. I i did that. Yes of course had to tell me me me So then this or wales like we have contacted law enforcement. I guess she wants her day. actually kill after some dealers the drug trafficking business did what's going on this issue of it was just like what the south like your favorite adult situations for me. Adult situations like paying your taxes talking about like the mortgage. That's what the skills to me as a child reading. But i see what you mean. This page where she's talking to our our first shot. Yeah yeah but yeah. I mean we'll clear the whole black widow thing in makers there's like to daredevil shots too so it's like fair game which i can appreciate you're gonna wear spandex. Entered tighten up those gluts. Lack of squats lunges. Meanwhile cared a matter still making a restaurant. Pda and kind of food. Come on man. Oh sorry to that expected as some are sorry. Carry the human being a little soon up guilty. Floating head guilty had alert. Well not really a guilty forty heads. More of etch a sketch So yeah so. He's allow it for the drink though for the purposes of future little Allow it ask her how she feels. She said you know. She's feel goods too happy with with him. When you told me you were daredevils a lifetime ago. Now i'll tell you boy can't keep a secret his life literally bro fifty yet. That was a while ago. I want me to this point. I we're still like over hundred issues before foggy finds out. That's what i'm saying. It's just a disrespect. A foggy desert for me will keep a secret from half. The population is nice. I was thinking with that. Billy club now. I know i couldn't have lived without you. Let your that. That statement was elastic. True because she's not living The wheels come full circle back in new york back with you and starting tomorrow. I'm gonna find a secretarial job again. Do me a favor stat of lawyer's offices and he's like she's like why why because of you know you mean foggy. He's like partially partially reminded in law. Today he talked a line. Allow one publicly man. Daredevil hasn't changed with the private man changed completely. I'm not a lawyer now. So he's like all the call yourself. A lawyer was really stretching. It anyway exactly. You can't do one thing by day. That's completely diametrically opposed to the other thing you do at night. That's kind of what he sat right. is that what. He's kind of saying though that he's like now. Just worry about being a good cook. And i enjoy feeding people at therapy dr travis langley on the phone clearly daredevil needs pays all we know bad self go down because comic book troop that go alleyway now. Not the alley. She's like she's a quiet. Return down this phrasing. Northwich matt's manage dangerous. It's like do you know what i didn't backhander. Im i am the danger zachary who knocks on their heads also say. Let's go laptops down this alleyway. I don't think she has the worry. Quiet picking up a strange frequency. Sound like anything. I've ever heard is like it's hundred yards behind us walk into the collaborate in stop looking tells her to walk ten seconds that run that he says. Don't worry media him. Go into the darkness the alley come out dress. What this is my turf mr. He's as why. Why is this happening. Listening right completely added the balloon other another air here though because at this point. I'm pretty sure he doesn't know who this is. He says i don't need competition from other guys in red jumpsuits. How does he know it's red. He feel that we touch them does does a color. I mean how The sound can since we don't know it is what it is looking for someone in the new guy the editor didn't catch it. Don't blame the new guy and once again we're going on a little hellfire date looking for anyone in particular. Yes someone to destroy at. You'll do quite nicely trouble out of your superhero. So he he must have figured out by. Now was the master of sound. Why don't we like eighty pages in the damn story nowhere. I was gonna say one issue. He doesn't even meet the bill until we don't even see the bill until halfway through the issue we don't we don't have any reich. We don't have any motivation. No back story like has a half like a reason to be beaten with their will really. It's crazy but a look. We got a bunch of editor's notes. Because he's like when he said you're you must be claw. The master of sound case never heard of him which will probably probably sure you probably haven't claw was originally enemy get the african chieftain the panther and the panthers an old buddy man without fear as you'll have a strong word which will see issues from now or last last episode. It was black history month. The black panther described claude. He's been on some mission of revenge against the panther for years but recently he disappeared which clot fills him in. I've been destroyed. Their my power perverted the beyond her. Always the her me i mean. How much of a backhand is that claw made it to secret wars. But they're doubled in it. We were busy. We were busy fellow. Lead into buddy was up born again. Can't be on camera. That will be no w nice. Little bit of storytelling. That's why i well. I'll say peter parker swing by but he didn't know his identity. Peter always knows he should super chill about everything. That's my head cannon. Don't take it away from me. i'll never pull your secret. Great power great responsibility little ticket. Drink did you will be very happy. Don't mind But yeah the yonder inhabited me at lou. Then when he had for the use for me he returned to earth hooligan. Alas we slice ask subtexts. Will doom slice them up then. The beyond was in him and then he was sent back to earth via. He's an order disappeared for a while. He had a lot of healing to let the world. Beware that's why so uptight he's like it's so loud like thank you. My mentor sticky made it bearable. You made me bearable. Little hellfire would like to have a word with you sir. Thank you those up. Billy club rated clause chess salt sound solid. All right then. I guess he tries to attack them and runs into like a bigger picture. Where we try to make run on call being like an actual threat or like what i don't i don't get it especially forgo no powers basically award. I want you daredevil though. I must regain my number. I was regained my reputation as a force to be feared. I must prove. I'm not mad at him. You're not be beaten up dare-devils not gonna do you any good. Okay got the west coast. Avengers or something buddy. Dare you asked me outside care. But again i mean yeah you're taking on guy bazeley with no powers it's like really can't find spiderman come on. He's literally like three blocks over bill. You'll see him swinging by somewhere. Come on his way downtown and everyone those to sit on top of the bugle building. You'll see him if you want me to catch me. Areolas confined as he jumps up to a fire escape. Need time to think. Wish i knew more about him like why he's trying to kill me. He's like is it. Because i know the black panther was he just attacking the first costume character. He sees okay now again. I mean unless he just caught clogged like wandering around the neighborhood maybe because he should've known daredevil was because he wasn't in costume matt hurt him then less matt hurt him before he maintained cautiously on areas. There's a super petting. Don't blame the reiter. That's my new people. Ask yes last night. A defence matt's like mets regardless have heard the beat them is with with vibrant medium. Lucky stock the element vibration. In hell's kitchen so yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if you did. It told me someone does a black pail on the brain because after trying to blast their w makes a panther out of solid sound. He met he jealous. He's a hater is fine down the hatred but yet they're double kicks that sound panther off the escape. You're better than expected there to how awesome that daredevil would aline there. The fire scaping yelled at top of his lungs. That's what she said. Oh okay out doggy. We're going to have some technical difficulties. I'll be right back. Carrier dogging was brought the house down a little fire. All right but yeah Again again through these plot polls or what but yeah like how does daredevil. No the clause read Again was clot tracking. He sure been able to track their so. I i'm algis head candidate and just say i guess just happened to be wandering by in. That hurt him so so maybe this is a public service you know. Daredevil takes the bulletin battles clause like we said spiderman or someone else doesn't have to ends. I believe if it's not the next appearance of clots one of the next one is a fantastic four. Three twenty six. when reformed the frightful. Four there she is yeah. Dogs committee twenty dogs crazy dog lady. Yeah i know a special needs. What can i say. Cso's matt's clem. But the building clause like. I picked you because i needed the victor. And i'm glad you put up a credible response. Your small time daredevil. Not the league of doctor doom or the accursed fantastic four. While maybe you're big and back to nome something bad news theme buddy. We'll talk to him as beyond on battle world. So he's smart smart as freed moreno. But he's his editors keeps him from his greatness. What is going on with doom and like the next couple months because what is it like mayor something i mean. He's joining the guardians of the galaxy and then slot had is like having them get married and fantastic. Don't they're trying to make their joker brow. True what's theory. i mean. what. If one division. Charlie keeps going on the near. What if it's read. What if it's do who stole reads research yak. That's about eight doomed. The one under spell law data. that'd be too much we all know. He's a pedley up. Petty dabbler google. But i just wanted as. I just saw that ad for yet. Dooms get married in like a woman in a. He can't see the face. i'm thinking. Oh my god that's either. Doom bought or a female quota doom storm. No she was in the background with read. So wasn't sued borough. That's the only story. I want to hear and then name were shows up. Breaks it up. But that's the only thing i want to see. Lucy made himself like a robot of sue or something. What's that movie that that happens in. Aggregate substance made a parody of it. But there's an actual movie. That's kinda late austin powers. Yeah baby richards. I could have your wife any time day or night. Yes how about new story. I still don't understand happen happen again. It's a fill in. i think. I think we're killing time till innocent. He starts roy dig at her whole went. They again this like really never gets mentioned in claw. I mean claw doesn't show up again for in like daredevil till mark waid takes over yeah so he doesn't i mean quad. Show up till the two thousand so probably closer to the twenty thousand point. Maybe yeah you know. Black panther was underwear. Like i was saying i think is next appearance he was in a in the frightful. Four in the fantastic four. So yeah but your death was show the world that the master sound still commands respect. Our time in clogs get mine by in latin spiderman. Rogues gallery bigger battery and scarier than you beat it. I think i think it could take out. Yeah incompetent choirs clauses to the top of the building. I think you understand. Nope kicks him in the head and knocks them off the building. Nope i've been around longer than you claw. And if i find. And i fought for people more than fought for the universe. There's only one of the universe but billions of people. Yeah hit was a math kid. Math son so yes he takes yes knocks into the street. If you're so big time how come. You can't hit me claude present wrong. Claude isn't the precision. He deals empower. Just when i was counting on zee blasio. That's what he said. Tricks call the blasting opened a store. I hope they have insurance people. Full basil. like your pet steph. Efforts have been pathetic. When you're facing such consummate powers mind. What else was there to inspect number. the yes. he's like you demonstrated planning spirits. Your desire victory. Don't mind you begin doing wait. What is that toy. You hold which. I can barely cernan the darkness. And that says it's up to eleven is called a tone generator claw and it sets up a steady pulse of sonic vibration. Do is just the provider calvin. Oh yeah he been on the before. The we will prevent venom mattie murder on doing everything before everybody else hits them with that. He's a trendsetter yo with that. Sonic attack a look the tone generators making the same nas sound. That guy was making when he got kicked in the junk foreshadowing. i liked. It is given the metaphor claude the metaphorical kick to the junk. Yup basically he's crawled up and cry like a baby at seen it before. How could you know which one that is. How could you hear because he knew the right frequency. Because i'm daredevil temporarily academy standing over them look at them and temporary disrupts the frequency. You're vibrating at. How could you hear. That's just one little mysteries claw. We're going there will be lots of time to ponder until as a mass breakout volva villains. You know yeah that's probably nothing. He's fantastic. I say accident vengeance. He definitely it's broken on. But yeah the that's at home bragging. The karen sunny were to find a tone generator in the neighborhood and a let them. they're trigonis coffees. Is mud son of a gun. Kind kinda like it. It's a good life on him. I'm not gonna lie. The actual hardcore winds. Let's be honest about matt murdock. His arm around cairns knicks got around him. Hey who The name daredevil. It's always been two things one. The obvious man without fear and to the sarcastic used it when the other kids tawny after pros my father. I wouldn't think that should for hurting my head to he's ever. Since one printing self-confidence the other torn was self doubt the king pin driven wedge between my sides i fell apart. La mia frigging rivers. Hurt yourself right in that. Lipold over him right in the face with that subtexts. Okay google window acquired to face zor window if you ever kinda true. So yeah. So he's basically getting all so reflective on her then they're looking out the window at the end folger's commercial wake choosing you. look at. I know this report of weekend speaks amassing getting some ass. I know it's everybody else. It's a hard. Pg thirteen it's the plus and plus fine especially this last page hard wasn't glad definitely coffee coffee dragon but the harlem a little little some something. And he's he's feeling invincible. He's care and everything's fresh now. Feel like it did when i started. Yeah and get your white together bro. Come on man. Both of us are getting clean. You from drugs and get into the vigilantism. We will give him back at phone apart. It's a catholic guilt throughout are. I know this was a weird one. So what did you think now. Thanks to the people that put in their heart. Effort at very nonsensical villain doesn't come into literally halfway. We don't even know the only reason why we know is because he's on the cover claw one is kind of we can't do it on. Bradman elected said pool in daredevil as the only acceptable red on red team up. It's kind of weird. I mean it's probably a see for me. it's a kind of like a br. it's kind of like one. It's fillon in two. It's kind of like a bridge because the issue before this was a black widow and then she shows up again. What is to forty seven. We'll cover the both of those in may but yeah no from me the randy going to give that a thumbs down given the oh charlie thumbs down. Oh my we're doing now out. Let me on bookmark this. I don't ever wanna see this. Okay see the story okay. We have ray feedback. You wanna predict a like these could agree or we riot or good to shoot an april over by but yeah give it the it see that we'll see she see ray agree with us. Let's see our kids given the old restaurants kitto ashworth. That's why kids give him the old intro. I that's where it's it's been a while. But he's back or friend. Ray who's the many podcasts of his own including lasts cripple on a superman pong research to fear her. A spiderwoman pod cast probably in here him. He's one third of the scarlet. Pimpernel here the last tuesday of every month rate here talking all things scarlet with me the soon dot promote eaters that tell me you're not i wasn't beret. Last episode we did. Ray was all over social media. Stones scarlet And but the beginning the most important one his letter in the current issue spiderwoman. No no big podcasts. His big unwieldy podcast into the knights podcast soon to be a soon to be victim of a loaf hellfire hostile takeover. And i'm actually gonna do a moon knight cat of moonlight issue. I won't be like cheat. And be batman april fools again. We're we're picking his everybody's gonna work that for those of you who listen to. We are the night. The batman podcast. Yeah we're gonna make ray do about me and we'll take one for the team to midnight so all right so let's see what ray had think about daredevil to thirty-seven with canal alot lilla. This is ri- right. I just dropping. Michael woods Thirty seven y'all read. This lost noughts and his feet and this is she was our thoughts and nothing too. Groundbreaking is actually a little bit of it. As i was reading it think it was black widow. She was on fire. And there's a fine conversation kind of went on for a bit a page maybe page and a half third just on the phone. It was a very different. I guess that that a raid Most recently Certainly have come across. Lisa comics people But yeah it was built. Economy ended a little mate And it was fun to say him against clo- that was great but Maybe there was a late up connecting thread for that beforehand. But it seemed really just add plice and clo- just wanting to prove himself to randomly pick. Did i mean if anything taking nothing away from data will if you if you want to make your mock is a villain. I mean you've got someone a little bit more powered when he spotted man. Something was rolling tense. Just an acrobatic ninja-like vigilante and against the likes of clo- you'd think it was a bit of a mid mismatch as well site that confrontation was exciting. The things that came before and after a conversation with like i guess the relationship with karen It was good to kind of say the conduct progression in the story. As i didn't mind that it was just that it was just. What was it at the beginning. Data was he was a bit shaky was coming off being quite aggressive in in his constrain justice But yeah i just very we'd content issue one. That is not really here for me. So if anything i'd give it probably a flex because it was interesting to read because i haven't read i'm I'm less familiar with the daredevil around this era round the tree thirties and sauce and stuff those curiosity to read but yeah i thought the was k. Was was i tell you as well. There's nothing wrong with that But the broadening. Yeah i wonder if Hawkeness for memory is jonathan hawkeness. Totally wrong place. Call me up. If i did but yes i wonder if he is a typical comic back rural or they go he mean from some other kind of genre writing because it just seemed a little i don i just a little bit more. It didn't seem like a comic book written story. Economists sense just the pricing all anyway Yet a kobe bat that much all it's worth what you guys think i'm shih-ming he goes probably not too impressed with it and yet the shawnee law may was was to say a bit of that relationship with karen box with but i just thought that it was all kind of cobble together but didn't really might for one cohesive story. Maybe they did away with full confrontation at would make a little bit more sense but even then y'all stuck with full drama of a county police. Nothing wrong with that but again just the way that was written in piping caught of made it a little bit blamed for me that so anyway i'll leave it at that and Katie he catching. That's what way had to stay say. Oh but yes thank you ray. Well he was a point. Like i like i didn't recognize the name of the guy who wrote this unless someone who's right under a different name or something but it's like maybe this was this guy's first time right in that comic to sell probably only hand while said. I've never heard him so could be or if it was like a trial thing passively in you know like you said it was a fill in issue so they are about to go all in on an so. They needed. They need a steak. Cut your corners where you can or they or maybe they just had something sitting on the shelf in adopted it or some you know these to have like those inventory issues where they which is like keep on hand just in case like something was to let you know. They didn't have an issue that month or Striking interrupted back in the day. Kids or they don't do that no more they just go for it. If it's delayed delayed last ronin number two which will talk about this on caves. Or at least i will good luck getting a copy. Oh yeah it's not like the best selling reasonable price bestselling thing they've ever made. They said this was an issue. Too is like the the most. And it's it's as exponentially gonna get worse. The story better but as more people get involved in come back to the franchise is just gonna get more and more obscure defined the prices arise arise arise when. I'm just like gasoline posers. Yeah i'm yeah nickelodeon doing the second reboot. That's what i wanna know. Where was y'all. I didn't hear nothing crickets. I keep forgetting. I need to read. This last routed it. You are if you need something now look up but yes. Thank you for the feedback and he gets. He gave it a c. Also so yes. I believe the same page here. Raise a musician. He plays the piano. Believe aso ray was at a c. Letter grade or is that the key of minor nice. I mean look at through. Twenty the best here to be honest and looking through and look at through twenty twenty one is i mean how great would have been. Karen just would have been in the restaurant and asked to see. The manager. wouldn't even funnier. She didn't it was nineteen. Eighty six at that short haircut saying but anyway at at i've seen a few worst issues of daredevil but late i mean it's daddy Literally in the middle of the golden age of daredevil so just kind of probably is what threw me off. because it's between the mike. Sam the hundred like the one hundred and ten this witness as me but point where we are in the story as what threw me for being so often kind of late jackets. It's spill fitting between frank miller in in the sent a lot of teenagers. Wait a minute what calm. That's just what it is. Yeah again to you know. An comedy might not be probably going to make any lasting changes like yet. Just give a quick donkey definitely Yeah that's pretty all much. All i have to say but we have some really great issues coming up so want to get the kids their homework. Then we can do some plugs in go to hell the bed right all right. So yes oh next week. Comic capers will be back again. Fantastic four to sixty five to seventy five but not in to cast it. Four sixty adversary. That's right and then in two weeks will be back Daredevil to seventy the first appearance of placards guest appearance because appearance of spider man. Peter parker there. Naturally they're able to seventy the first issue if they're double red he sought on newsstand. Picked it up. The rest was history. And then yes three men and thinkers sucker for life. So yeah here once funny. Oh so yeah. So run down the list next The w no daredevil to seventy that. I placard episode. Seven will laugh. Start us off on april at time. This this right will record it. Beforehand but Episode seven which says there will to eighteen should drop on thursday april first day because we cut a wacky ones for you all through april. Because you're gonna get three episodes of the devil you know in april. 'cause there's five so yes i yeah i one. In april april i will be daredevil to eighteen written by denny o'neil at featuring the gesture and then kids you're in for a treat and mid april because we'll be covering daredevil three seventeen and three eighteen and we will discuss it with the writer himself. Mr d d g ceaucescu. So that's the big one. So yeah you glad over a month six weeks at least sen senate any thoughts or questions you have for mr chichester and he can answer them. And then the end of april daredevil. Three fifty two featuring arcade arcade arcade not fire nice. I understood that reference. Thank you. Steve are so ray. Get out of here. We'll do it for the talks sponsors for the dogs. Bring all your stuff down on your head. I literally told you. That's the clumsy dog. Cows really like him in the room with Recorded but he's clumsy. He can't help it. He's special needs. He helped. he's a pit bull anyway. 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Democracy Now! 2020-12-22 Tuesday

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Democracy Now! 2020-12-22 Tuesday

"Hi i'm amy goodman in this time of covid. Nineteen climate chaos and historic elections. You count on democracy now to stay focused on the issues that matter. Most we count on you to support our independent journalism. If everyone who tunes into democracy now gave just ten dollars we could cover our operating costs for twenty. Twenty one really. That's all it would take. Please do your part today by visiting us at democracy now dot org stay safe wear a mask save lives and thank you so much from new york. This is democracy. Now make no mistake about it. This agreement is far from perfect but it will deliver emergency relief to a nation in the throes of a genuine emergency. Congress has approved a nine hundred billion dollar pandemic relief package after months of stalling but many economists say far more needs to be spent to address the economic crisis. Then it's hospitalizations from kovic. Hit another record high in the united states. We'll speak to a virginia doctor who is among the first to receive the pfizer biontech vaccine. And we'll look at how president trump has raised over half a billion dollars since mid october. Trying to overturn the election. How much of the money is going into. his own. Pocket has raised countless millions selection day citing the legal costs associated with his effort to overturn the result of the election but in reality most of the money raised gone towards is loosely regulated political vehicle. Which can help them. Retain influence in the republican party after leaving the white and also the health benefit himself and his family finances. All that and more coming up. Welcome to democracy now democracy now dot org the quarantine report. I may need goodman. Congress voted monday night to pass a nine hundred billion dollar coronavirus relief package the first new aid. Since april the measures part of a two point three trillion dollar package that includes one point four trillion to fund the government. It's one of the largest relief packages in us history. The legislation includes a three hundred dollar per week. Federal unemployment assistance for eleven weeks around six hundred dollar stimulus checks for people who earn up to seventy five thousand dollars with another six hundred dollars per child more money for schools and hospitals and extension of an addiction moratorium it also includes two hundred eighty four billion dollars for another round of small business aid through the paycheck protection program and money to purchase and distribute vaccines. We'll have more on the cove relief bill after headlines the united states recorded more than two hundred thousand new coronavirus cases and nearly two thousand covid nineteen deaths monday. Us hospitalizations hit another world record. High topping one hundred fifteen thousand and sixteen states recorded a record number of new deaths. The virus is ravaging hospitals in southern california and the san joaquin valley where some intensive care units are filled to capacity. This comes as the tsa says. It screened more than a million passengers per day. Us airports over the weekend. The largest travel surged since the pandemic began as american shrugged off the desperate pleas of health officials to halt holiday travel to slow the spread of the virus on monday the first doses of moderna is newly approved covert nineteen vaccine arrived at medical centres around the us. One of the first to receive the vaccine was forty four year old. Arlene ramirez a nurse from queens new york who became ill with covid nineteen in march and lost her father to the disease as a healthcare worker. Seeing what we saw people clinging onto life death after death having all at the same time. Illness of my father-in-law being severely ill myself thirty. Six days of my father being in the intensive care unit here. This vaccine is hope. It's hope that we will cease this pandemic. it's hoped that we will live a better life. President-elect joe biden received an injection of pfizer's covid nineteen vaccine in a televised event. Monday urging americans to line up for their shots when the vaccine becomes available to them. Meanwhile the vatican has told catholics around the world it's morally acceptable to receive covid. Nineteen vaccines were developed using cell lines from aborted fetuses south carolina congress member. James clyburn has ordered health and human services secretary alex as our cdc director robert redfield to turn over documents to congress. By december thirtieth clyburn says an investigation by the select subcommittee and the coronavirus crisis found white house. Political interference hindered the us response to the covid. Nineteen pandemic far more extensively than previously known. The united kingdom has become increasingly. Cut off from the outside world since prime minister. Boris johnson said a new variant of corona virus sweeping his country with seventy percent more contagious more than forty countries have temporarily suspended summer. All travel from the uk and british grocery stores are warning food shortages as delivery trucks pile up on the french side of the channel tunnel separating britain from the european continent some observers have compared the crisis to what the uk may face. If a no deal. Brexit is allowed to proceed after the new year. Researchers say it's not clear whether the new corona virus variant is in fact more contagious in that it may have been detected because of britain's extensive monitoring system. We'll have more on this later in the broadcast. Outgoing attorney general william bar split with the president again on monday saying there was no need to appoint a special counsel to look into ledge voter fraud in the november election or to investigate. Hunter biden the son of the president-elect bar also dismissed trump's proposal for the department of homeland security seizing voting machines bar made the comments in his final news conference attorney general on monday trump and vice president mike pence held a private meeting with a group of lawmakers including congressman mo brooks of alabama to discuss ways to overturn the electoral college results in january. The conspiracy theorist lawyer sydney powell was also back at the white house for her third visit in four days meanwhile televangelist pat robertson has urged president trump to retire saying he believes joe biden won the election. The president still lives in an alternate reality. Really those people say he was about this but no he doesn't lie to him. That's the truth. He is very ready and he He's fired people. He's fought people his soldiery people and keeps going down the line. So it's a mixed bag and i think it would be. We'll see You've had your day and a time move on. Robertson represents millions of evangelicals around the country. Some of the strongest of the base of president trump president-elect joe biden is set to nominate connecticut public schools commissioner miguel cardona as the next secretary of education that's according to the washington post which reports the decision is not yet final. Cordona is puerto rican. Grew up in public housing. His career education began as a fourth grade teacher. He became connecticut's youngest school principal at age. Twenty eight during the pandemic cordona has advanced advocated for the reopening of schools. Although only about one third of connecticut's public school students are currently able to attend in person classes. He's pushed for using federal aid to buy personal protective equipment for teachers and classrooms. His administration has also allocated federal funds to purchase laptops and internet access for students. Who remain at home in immigration news and undocumented couple from jamaica has moved out of the philadelphia church after living there in sanctuary for over two years to avoid deportation. Oneida and clive thompson walked out of the church. Monday morning community. Supporters cheered the mind with applause and the sound of bells and whistles as they celebrated news. The federal government has killed their deportation order. The couple has seven children three of whom are. Us citizens. Thompsons fled jamaica. Fifteen years ago after a gang burn down their farm and threatened to kill. The family is now allowed to seek permanent residency in the united states in new jersey protest outside bergen county jail continue demanding the release of immigrant prisoners during the pandemic. This is one of the prisoners speaking through the phone to a crowd of protesters sunday. All nobody wanted to be in jail anymore hitting me. We want to go and we wanted to go home. This comes as advocates denouncing isis. Violent retaliation against a group of prisoners who led a hunger strike for over one month at bergen county jail. The strike was broken up last week. After at least five men were transferred to other jails and one of them was deported to mexico. According to advocates another one of the former hunger strikers father from guatemala was released from bergen county monday with an ankle monitor. A lawsuit filed today by republican attorneys. General and nine states is asking a federal judge in texas to declare the deferred action for arrivals program. Unlawful lawsuit comes just two weeks. After another federal court ordered the trump administration to fully and immediately restore the program known as daca in its original form since it was passed in two thousand twelve dhaka's granted protection from deportation and a work permit to at least seven hundred thousand undocumented. People who were brought to the united states as children reuters reports the incoming by the administration is considering a plan that would grant temporary protected status to more than one million immigrants from guatemala honduras after hurricanes at and badgered central america. November decision is expected. After biden's inauguration on january twentieth. Congress has approved a bipartisan. Bill that would expand critical funding. Help identify human remains of asylum seekers and migrants who've died in remote areas of the border while crossing into the united states the legislation also asked for additional nine one rescue beacons to be deployed in border regions. Where people often go missing. Thousands of human remains have been found across the us mexico border since the us government began enforcing immigration quote prevention through deterrence policy unquote. The practice pushed asylum seekers and migrants to cross through remote and deadly routes to see our coverage of that area go to democracy now dot org in mexico. The former governor of police go state are stuck lead. Sandoval was shot dead. Friday and one of the highest profile. Assassinations mexico is seen amidst an ongoing spate of violence. In recent years. Sandoval was gunned down in puerto vallarta restaurant restroom. The perpetrators have not been identified but security experts say could be members of the cartel as of november over thirty one thousand murders have been recorded in mexico in twenty twenty and oregon group of far-right protesters stormed the state house. Monday to disrupt special legislative session. Some of the protesters forced their way into the state house which was closed to the public due to the pandemic they attacked security officers with chemical sprays and salted a number of journalists. Four people were arrested. The demonstrators were calling for an end to public health restrictions aimed to slow the spread of covid participants included members of the far right group patriot prayer and statue of confederate general robert e lee has been removed from the us capital two statue representative virginia and the national statuary hall collection. The state of virginia plans to replace it with a statue of civil rights. Pioneer barbara johns in one thousand nine fifty one sixteen year old john's organized a student walkout to protest segregated schools in virginia. She was also involved in a lawsuit that became part of the landmark brown v board of education case and those are some of the headlines. This is democracy now democracy. Now dot org the quarantine report goodman in new york joined by carlos gonzales new brunswick new jersey on me and welcome to all of our listeners and viewers across the country and around the world. Well congress voted monday night to pass a nine hundred billion dollar coronavirus relief package the first new aids since april the measures part of a two point three trillion dollar package that includes one point four trillion dollars to fund the government. The combine legislation is among the largest relief packages in us history. President trump has until december twenty. Eighth sign the coronavirus relief. Part of the bill includes three hundred dollars per week. Federal unemployment assistance for eleven weeks. Round of six hundred dollar stimulus checks for people who earn up to seventy five thousand dollars with another six hundred dollars per child more money for schools and hospitals and extension of an eviction moratorium by a month. It also includes two hundred eighty four billion dollars for another round of small business aid through the paycheck protection program as well as twenty billion dollars to buy vaccines that make quote the vaccine available at no charge for anyone who needs it offers an additional eight billion dollars for vaccine distribution. The package includes a ban on surprise medical bills from out of network medical providers a restoration of pell grants for incarcerated students. Thirty five billion dollars for wind solar and other clean power sources and fifteen billion dollars to airlines to bail them out. The government funding part of the bill also allocates nearly one point four billion dollars for the border wall. Independent senator bernie sanders of vermont. Told cnn the cove relief. Bill is a step forward but does not go far enough this bill to be honest a lot of very important stuff in it. I mean we worked very hot. Work with senator holly to make sure they would be direct payments. Wanted twelve hundred bucks. We ended up with six hundred dollars. Which for a family of four. The average family of four will be twenty four hundred dollars. Will that help. Yes it will. Is it enough. no it is not. We managed to extend unemployment for another eleven weeks at a supplement of three hundred dollars on top of normal unemployment is not enough. No it should have been for four months and that number should have been higher. We provided zero financial aid to states and localities all over this country who are suffering devastating financial problems. Which will mean the have to lay off firemen police officers and teachers and so forth and so on so this is a step foot. It is better than nothing but it is nowhere near in my view where it should be going. Meanwhile treasury secretary steven mnuchin said on cnbc hundreds of dollars in direct payments could begin reaching people as early as next week. So i think as you know we were worried about. You know something like a great depression again earlier in the year but this is now much more targeted I expect it's needed in in a short period of time. And i think this will take us through the recovery to talk more about this. Nine hundred billion dollar stimulus package. That's half the size of the two point. Two trillion dollar stimulus law passed in march. We're joined derrick hamilton professor of economics at the new school where he's also founding director of the newly created institute for the study of race stratification and political economy. He was a surrogate and economic advisor on bernie sanders twenty twenty presidential campaign also wonder if sanders appointees to the biden sanders joint task force derrick. Welcome back to democracy now. Can you start off by just reacting to the overall stimulus bill. What's in there. What do you feel needs to be in their. It's long overdue. I'm glad here. It needs to be thought of as a relief. Bill as a bridge to get us to the presidency where we can do something that is far more intense and larger in scale. And here's a key point that becomes leading into transformative policy so that we will be less vulnerable to the next pandemic or the next economic crises or every day vulnerability. Many americans live with mike assertive. All i see some some excellent Provisions in this bill that were not in the previous bill. For instance there is now an allowance for a family where perhaps one person one wage earner in the family does not have a social security number may possibly be undocumented that that they would be able to count in terms of being able to get payments and actually even retroactively from a claim it under next year's taxes for their the previous stimulus that they were not able eligible for but at fifty six hundred pages. This bill obviously has a lot of stuff that we have not yet clearly heard about. We're we're told we're not going to get the final version. Possibly until sometime next week. And i'm wondering. Do you have any concerns about some of the stuff. That's already come forward for instance. Apparently now they're increasing the deductions that businesses can take for business meals to one hundred percent from fifty percent. They're allowing a far nca- controlled foreign corporations to be able to bring back their their income from abroad without having to pay taxes that they've been sheltering abroad there's all kinds of other provisions including expansion of the new markets tax credit which has always been a scam for real estate investors to make super profits a five billion dollar expansion of the new markets tax credit. And we don't know much of what still in the bill your concerns about that. I mean you're spot on one of we certainly know that. Washington politics include pork-barrel pork-barrel politics in some cronyism where we're going to get things into the bill and that's problematic and the fact that it is so long and we just it just got released and we haven't had a chance to dissect these are all problems but there are also some positive things in there that we should recognized and the politics of having those hot things in the bills become very useful as we get rid of that politics of the past where we load bills with all sorts of special interest. That aren't aimed at the american people. For example a recognition that education itself needs to be an industry that we invest in. So there's eighty two billion in there for education There's there's a relief set aside for transportation. You and i both know that there needs to be some money in their foot state and localities as well and that's not in the bill so there's a lot of problems. It was definitely necessary that we had this bill passed and what i like is the precedent of interventions in some areas. Like you pointed out undocumented. People families have access to some relief. Like you also pointed out having having a bill that include gig workers when we think about the unemployed in fact. Why should that ever be a distinction going forward. We need to provide unemployment relief. All american workers period out we know this new classification of of putting bone ability onto workers where they're not formally employed employed in the as we traditionally employed him. The fissuring of the workforce we need to rethink how we design unemployment. So that all american workers documented and undocumented in fact we need pathway to document to having citizenship for people that are undocumented. But the the last point. I'll make an i'm tired of rambling all is that. This sets a precedent for us to build upon. And that's what it needs to be caught. It is inadequate. Senator standards exactly right but we need a new politics and there's optimism because we look at people going into congress. Bay are standing firm and motive industrial policy that focuses on workers. And what did you do if you could talk a little bit. More about the lack of provision for local governments and state governments jersey for instance is just this week having to deal with borrowing over four billion dollars to deal with. It's expected budget gap this year. Could you talk about the plight of states and municipalities right now. Yeah i mean. The the the plight of that state and locality is a constraint are constrained to balance the budget away that the federal government is not the federal government has the power of the purse and can fund us through a relief. But yet we've been pulled a great deal of a great deal of burden on state and localities take care of their citizens with with increasing federalism. Where state and localities are responsible for their residents as well as balancing their budget. It's really problematic. That and the impact is going to be dramatic if we think about who is receiving benefits at local levels as well as who was employed and would authority is going to mean. It's going to mean layoffs for teachers if if we don't get relief from federal government which is going to be a reductions in benefits suggest contributions to boone security so task contributions the school so it is critical and vital that when we get the next package when biden takes office that there's relief directed the state and locality professor hamilton last month. Public citizen tweeted a comparison of the wages subsidized by different governments during the corona virus crisis whereas japan stood at close to one hundred per cent. The us has subsidized zero percent of wages due to the pandemic paycheck protection program is what we have right now but if we had a paycheck guaranteed that would be more direct bigger scale and provide more security so if we look at how international comparisons. We're not doing what we should be doing. And we have a great public power to do so so. I think the clear narrative is that this was a necessary ingredient. But it's still are short that there's a lot more work we need to do. I think that's the resounding message. Now the issue of corporate liability mitch mcconnell and others were holding up this bill for that. They corporations would be protected from consumers or workers during the pandemic being sued that ultimately was dropped out of this. There are many interesting things in this if you could respond to that and also the no surprise for medical bill procedures. This isn't amazing. Accomplishment pushed by grassroots health advocates around the country. They've worked on this for years when you go to an emergency room. You're getting an operation. You have no idea which doctors are working on you. Some can be out of network and then you end up with instead of a six hundred dollar emergency room bill. Something like ten thousand dollars. Private equity groups have bought up. Emergency room doctor groups just so that they could go out of network and make this fortune. This is now becoming illegal. Yeah ideally medicare for all would address all of this if we had a single payer health insurance system but we know. We don't have that at this point and i agree with you amy. I think we have made some progress on the progressive side so there is a lot to be disturbed about in this bill. And you know one started the conversation describing some of these pork barrel politics there still exist but progressive should be vigilant and and steadfast and also feel some sense of accomplishment and essentially accomplishment that we were able to keep out a corporate liabilities as an emphasis so you know it signals that we need to put workers first and with the provision that you describe so that people aren't hit with surprise medical bill that they didn't anticipate that's an accomplishment. I mean the fact that we're sending direct checks to american people as relief. That's an accomplishment albeit too small. Six three hundred dollars is not a six hundred dollars is not enough neither one hundred dollars. Supplemental insurance compensation but the fact that we're doing it sets a precedent. It can set a tone of look. Government can actually do what we should not be concerned about right now is sturdy politic some notion of a deficit in strength and i think both sides of the out particularly the left side of the aisle leads the recognized that pay go is a problem particularly in a pandemic can straining the use of the public purse or relief for americans is absolutely not what we should be doing in fact we need to be doing more to ensure as i said earlier that not only will we have protections pandemic that we have a structure that when we're not in a a a peculiar economic crisis where people can have social mobility a moral economy one or the other positive aspects of the bill seems to me and that can be credited to the pressure all of the sanders campaign and the left of the democratic party are the provisions on addressing climate change in in terms of actually apparently expansion of credits for solar installations and for and for research into wind power and and the longest serving batteries. Could you talk about some of those provisions. Yeah i mean the be franklin. I don't know the specific details on it. But i think it goes right back to that narrative that you know we were. There were ridiculed directed at bernie sanders as if he was holding the bill but as we can see their provision in there. And he's not alone. There's a whole conglomerate within congress right now is fighting for the rights of americans and i i think that momentum is illustrated in this bill and that to me is what we should be celebrating focusing on also the fact that we do have a pathway forward and you you cited climate change a clearly if we think about this pandemic in isolation that's a missed opportunity that this economic despair this health risk which still going to be vulnerable after this pandemic if it after after the dissemination of the vaccine we we have climate catastrophe looming waiting. If we don't do anything about it finally professor hamilton. What do you think the biden administration did she should do. President biden should do first thing when he is in office both through executive action and just pushing forward economic recovery. What's most critical. Yeah i mean in earnest. There is no silver bullet policy so we need to be thinking about economic protection across almost bill of rights various aspects. But if i were to single out some will one he can address student debt right. We we're going to have this benefit cliff. Even you know the pandemic legislation included a moratorium on evictions moratorium on or closure as well as some moratorium more some relief for students with regard to pain back their debt so i would certainly recommend to executive order if congress doesn't act some relief with regards to student debt. That's been accumulated But if i have to focus on something it is jobs jobs jobs that are building a better human and physical infrastructure for americans as well as putting americans toward would a decent wages would a decent wage and benefit the put pressure on the private sector to ensure that they also have to have decent wages and benefits if they want to compete in the marketplace for american workers derrick hamilton. Thanks so much for being with us professor of economics at the new school where he's also founding director of the institute for the study of race stratification and political economy next up as hospitalizations from kovic head. Another record high here in the united states and britain is cut off from the rest of europe because of a variant of the corona virus. A we're going to speak to a virginia doctor who is among the first received the pfizer biontech vaccine. We'll ask them a lot of questions. Stay with us yes a. Get none bull. Then get the Glycine me only. Ooh ooh big is not me all that i have by cut. Sal this is democracy now. I'm amy goodman with one gonzales. The number of nations banning travel from the united kingdom continues to grow in response to the new highly infectious variant of the coronavirus. British health officials announced over the weekend. Throwing much of britain into strict lockdown south africa's detected a similar variant more than forty countries have temporarily suspended summer old travel from the uk including canada chile france ireland and hong kong. The united states has not announced a travel with either england or south africa on monday. Washington state governor jay inslee announced. His state would require those arriving from either country to quarantine for fourteen days. Upon arrival british officials claim. The new variant could be seventy percent more contagious but is not thought to be more deadly. Many scientists are skeptical of the claim which is not been peer reviewed experts. Also say it's possible. The coronavirus variant didn't develop in the united kingdom but instead was detected their first because of britain's extensive monitoring system and giving it to an international database thousands of the code so that other countries of the of the genetic sequence could analyze what they have. The united states doesn't share that kind of information as widely on tuesday biontech. Ceo your shan said he was confident the covid nineteen vaccine would work on the new variant going to evaluate that in a in a test. Were built this new. Your tation into our sap system and we'll evaluate if the immune response against our vaccine is able to inactivate also this virus variant. We are confident that this will be the case. Since in the past we tested more than twenty hours valiants different type of mutation was always that and that that a vaccine induces immune response which is so boat that attacks multiple multiple positions at In in this virus comes as the united states recorded. More than two hundred thousand new coronavirus cases monday nearly two thousand covid nineteen deaths. Us hospitalizations hit hospitalizations. Hit another world high topping. One hundred fifteen thousand and sixteen states recorded a record number of new deaths for more. We're joined in sherline over by dr tyson bell a critical care and infectious disease physician at the university of virginia who received the pfizer biontech cove nineteen vaccine earlier. This month doctor woken to democracy. Now we're talking global but let's go right to the molecular and just personal level. How did it feel to get this vaccine. What should people expect. And why did you decide to be among the first to get this dr bell. Can you hear me. Oh can you talk about your own experience and getting the vaccine and how it felt sure I received the vaccine last tuesday and just had a little bit of injection site pain initially but then right out there that a little bit of arm soreness just been calmly reported but the day following up completely fine and have no symptoms whatsoever. According to point out that a lot of people who did have some of the other symptoms like maybe great temperature or fever chills. It was after the second. Oh so about that second dose. We'll see but so far so good. Could you address some of the issues that have been raised about a put. A reported side effects should people be concerned about a issues like bell's palsy or allergies as its severe allergies or or is it a allergies in reaction to a previous vaccination. That's a good question now. To address the issue of bell's policy there was a new miracle difference and the number of patients who had bell's palsy in the clinical trial. Believe it was four in the trial in the vaccine compared to zero who did not now what confuses that is that there's a baseline rate of bell's palsy in the community. Just you know without a trial happening in the first place and the numbers kind of match up with those numbers. So it's hard to tell whether it was due to the vaccine itself or not at this point it doesn't seem to be a signal there but we'll get more data as it goes on. The issue with allergies is a little more nuance. So we have seen the reports of people in the u. k. in alaska who had these ample lactic or nfl lactic like reactions which are severe reactions to the vaccine now. The recommendation is to only not receive the vaccine. If you have a history of severe allergies to one of the known components of the vaccine itself so pfizer lists their tin components and the vaccine. Madonna's their list as well. Most of these are things like salts of sugars and fats to keep the mr molecules stable Stabilizing molecule called Polyethylene glycol that algis thing could be potentially responsible for these severe reactions but for the purposes unless you have those those reactions The recommendation is go and get the vaccine. But if you do have a history of subaru allergic reactions to just wait a little bit longer than the usual. Fifteen minutes. Wait thirty minutes after the injection. Make sure that you don't have these allergic symptoms. And all these cases the workers were in that monitoring period. And we're able to receive the treatment that they needed. And could you talk about the rollout of the vaccine and specifically the priorities recommended by the cdc in terms of who should get it because obviously especially after the even within the first group of of frontline healthcare providers. There's a lot of leeway there for instance we we've all seen how sanjay gupta of cnn. A surgeon and journalist got a shot in the in the first week even though he does not directly deal with covert patients at being a surgeon so with even within the medical community there are people who are actually frontline and those who are in other fields or administrative. And then when you get to the second priorities the the the First responders and people over seventy five in the among the first responders. There's huge variety. You could be police. Captain or or a deputy inspector who never comes in contact with the public versus a beat cop who might regularly come in contact not only with people. He has to arrest but homeless people and others. could you talk about how you determine. How locality determines which people within the priority group should get the vaccine. I i well. That is a difficult question. But i think what we should focus on is an equity distribution so equitable lens and look thinking about who are highest risk providers initially providing frontline covert care and then hospital workers in those communities that are also at high risk for encountering people with cove nineteen. Now we have an example recently that mehari medical college in their affiliate hospital nashville general or skipped over for the initial pfizer. Vaccine shipments now muhairi medical college is the nation's largest private historically black academic scientists sensor they have been leading on the front for dramatic covid. Nineteen their workers are extremely high risk. Now not only that they're president ceo. Dr james hildreth is on the advisory committee to the fda that initially reviewed and approved the vaccine. There's no way they should have been skipped over an initial shipment of vaccine turns out the state plan actually focus on larger institutions like vanderbilt but left out smaller institutions like mehari and save them for the modern the vaccine in dr hilda's actually have to get doses of vaccine from separate hospital system. Now if we think about this to an equity lens we need to think about places like mehari initially in change the conversation from should we distribute early vaccine to places like this are extremely high risk that serve a higher risk community is not should we distribute. But we need to. This should the places like this. And how do we overcome the hurdles at their logistical ones. There so places. Like the harry can struggle and be left out any facility that served black and brown communities is at risk. And that's all we have to change our focus and think about equitable distribution. If you can talk dr bell About the reports of the mutation of this virus it is not different strain. It is a variant. It looks like britain is being basically shut off from europe right now with this reported variant could could be up to seventy percent effective. Or maybe it's just so well documented because they're sharing These gene sequences with the world through an international database that the us has not contributed to very much. So we don't know as much about what's happening in this country. But the significance of both britain also south africa and what this means though the head of biontech says that they have taken into consideration these various variants and it will be covered by the vaccine for example that you took dr bell exactly so the variant that's been circulating is a relatively recent discovery but was thought to have occurred beginning in september in the southern part of the uk. And now we have seen that has become one of the more dominant species are the dominant variance of the vaccine or the virus itself. That was important to remember. Is that mutations will naturally happened in the course of a virus that's in the community and circulating and luckily for us. The corona virus actually not tate at the same rate of viruses like influenza or hiv. Which is a good thing. So it's not unexpected to have these changes and variants in the community now the researchers who came up with the vaccine new this of course in plan for it so the spike protein for instance which is protein that is our immune system to make antibodies against the corona virus. It's actually a complex. Three dimensional structure and our immune system generates antibodies at different parts of it. So for instance if you were to go outside and see a baby and then you go back later and that the baby's asleep you still recognize it. That's the same baby even if this is close or there's a blanket over it they're different ways for you to recognize what something is and likewise the immune system has to figure out is something as a friend or foe so even if one part of that Mutation is a little bit different. Do you have other. Antibodies recognize it and you can still recognize. Something is a friend or foe. Bow down the road. Is there that possibility that there. So many changes the protein by changed enough that we might have to update that vaccine sure. That's a possibility. We're not sure if that's going to be the case. But if that were to happen the scientists are already on and they have a plan to update it if they need to. So i think the main thing to think about what this variant is that it does appear to be more transmissible and that means our public. Health practices are going to have to be even more important like social distancing wearing a mask washing your hands. Voiding tight Impact indoor close spaces and in the vaccine. Still work at this point in dr bellum wondering if you could talk about what the past nine months have been like for you. You've been you've been overseeing the covid nineteen care unit at the university of virginia and personally and politically a. What kind of told this taken on you as you've been dealing with this day in and day out. I think you know i could enjoy many health. Healthcare workers and saying it's been a personal hell. There's no other way to describe it. This disease has ravaged average their community and as affected every part of our lives and no one person has been spared whether it's been contracted kobe yourself. You're taking care of covert workers. You have family members or colleagues or friends who've contracting covid nineteen or you're being affected by this shutdowns and the in the turn down the economy your children not in school for all dealing with this in some form or fashion and it's disproportionately affecting the black and brown community. So people that i know and i love my own family members It's absolutely horrendous. What we've been dealing with. And that's why it was so important that moment i rec- the vaccine because i felt a little bit of a burden being lifted. Of course we have a long way to go. But there's hope now and we just have to get through to light at the end of the tunnel and they're still some dark days ahead but we can get there but it's gonna take a big effort and continued vigilance on our part. Finally dr bell. I couldn't help but think as we learned about the state of virginia taking down the statue of the confederate general robert e lee from the us capital from statuary hall and replacing it by a civil rights. Pioneer barbara johns who organizers student walkout to protest segregated schools in virginia who is involved in the lawsuit that became part of the landmark brown v board of education case thinking about those kind of statues being tumbled. And the kind of work that you're doing your final message not only to black charlottesville been documenting your own journey along the way but to people throughout this country and around the world when it comes to dealing with covid and who gets treated. Who doesn't while. I think that the symbolism that we put in our society matters and of course our actions matter as well is not lost on me that i work at an institution that was founded by a member of society whose highly esteemed but thought that people like me were unworthy on the being educated had disagreeable body odors and And we're not. We're subhuman and i walk to an ice you and i'll take care of patients and i'm trying to save lives for the commonwealth of virginia. So that that is not lost on me. Your thomas jefferson. I definitely am talk about thomas. Jefferson and what we have to remember is that we have to take down our symbols that are honoring legacies that Do not agree with our true nature of american democracy But we also have to take action to make sure that our actions speak far words so that means focusing equitable distribution thinking about black and brown communities from the outset instead of making them afterthought and it means making sure that we get into these communities and break down the barriers out of historically existed between academia and institutions in the community itself. This is a chance where we can actually make true partnership with our community that need us the most and we have to take that chance and make that opportunity. We wanna thank you so much. Dr tyson bell critical care and infectious disease. Physician university of virginia received the pfizer biontech cove in nineteen vaccine earlier. This month joining us from charlottesville next we look at how president trump has raised over half a billion dollars since mid october as he tries to overturn the election. How much of that. Money is going into his own pocket. Stay with us. Rolled like my own children from. Hey mom lucia abuser a fall. Who waits memories at the future by mcclinton arrow featuring preservation hall horns. This is democracy now democracy. Now dot org the quarantine report. I mean he goodman with juan gonzalez as president trump continues to look for ways to overturn the twenty twenty election. He's also continued to raise massive sums of money over half a billion dollars since mid october including more than two hundred fifty million dollars since election day alone. Trump's largest single days for online donations actually came after election day november six. He raised nearly seven hundred fifty thousand dollars per hour the new york times reports that more than sixty million dollars of the money he's raised has gone to a new political action. Committee that trump control after he leaves office for a sense of the scale. This is about as much money as trump spent to win the republican presidential nomination in two thousand sixteen the times report opens quote donald. J trump will exit the white house as a private citizen. Next month perched atop a pile of campaign cash unheard of for an outgoing president and with few legal limits on how he can spend it the times also documents. How trump's new pack called save. America has actually been receiving nearly all of the money he gathered from supporters who donated to what was billed as a georgia election fund to fight the to run off. Senate races there. Neither republican senator on the ballot. We'll get the money. Will trump use the money to pay off his massive four hundred twenty million dollar debt or to fund a potential twenty twenty. Four run for more. We go to brendan fisher director of federal reform campaign legal center. He's been closely following the money. Trump has been raising since the election. Welcome to democracy now this is an astounding story for people who are looking at. What he's doing and saying is that i mean. Is it total madness as he continues to allege electoral fraud taking case after case to federal courts and the supreme court as what close to fifty cases have been thrown out of court. The trump ally judges are saying no to him. He won't accept it. Is this madness or is it that every time he does this. He has another incentive and fundraising letter to say. Let's fight the fraud though. Ultimately that money goes into his pocket brandon fisher. That's right. I think it's fair to say that this is entirely unprecedented You know typically after a president leaves office he. He fades into the background He begins to focus on writing his memoirs setting up his Presidential library but trump has been on on a fundraising tear since election day asking for donations to an election defense fund or to support the senate races in georgia but most of every donation has instead gone to new leadership. Pac save america and save. America is not financing any of trump's post-election litigation it is not financing the senate races in georgia. Instead it's a loosely regulated political vehicle that trump can tap into after he leaves the white house to retain influence in the republican party and also to potentially benefit himself and his family financially. Well could you talk about that. The potentially benefiting himself in his family because most people are not aware that us when you have campaigned cash first of all. He has not declared himself a candidate so that he if he did he would have to then he would then have to have more restrictions on how he could use money. But could you talk about the potential ways that he could directly benefit. The discount could become the ultimate griff here on his way out the door. Yeah well first of all. I may might be helpful to define. Just what a leadership. Pac is a leadership. Pack is effectively a second pot of money separate and apart from candidates own campaign funds They are leadership. Back is supposed to be used to support other candidates but very often they're used as a slush fund because they're loosely regulated the the key distinction between trump's campaign funds and the funds held in save. America are that trump campaign funds cannot be used for personal expenses but the federal election commission has not interpreted that personal use ban to apply to a candidate's leadership pac which all sorts of different ways that trump could could potentially use his leadership pac funds to benefit himself or his family financially. He could himself a salary. He could put tiffany trump on the payroll. He could buy enough copies of juniors book to put it on the new york times bestseller list He could rent out entire floors at trump hotel. They're really very few limits. You know as far as the way that the fcc has interpreted this law and what about the trump's maga- pack trump mega pack is really the fundraising vehicle or save america. So the the flurry of fundraising appeals. That have gone out since election day. You'll asking for donations to a non existent defense fund or asking for donations to support the senate races in georgia are actually going to trump mega pack and when you read the small print on the fundraising appeals. It shows that every donation trump mega pack is then reallocated at this point seventy five percent of every donation that you gave in response to a trump fundraising appeal is going to be allocated to save america and twenty five percents to the rnc But for the first week after the election most of every small donation was going to be routed towards trump's tweet debt retirement and then after trump set up save america now most of every donation to finance save america. So this is president. Trump's former personal attorney and fixer. Michael collins speaking to msnbc after the explosive new york times article on trump's taxes broke. I think what's really bothering him. The most though is that trump has over four hundred twenty million dollars in outstanding loans. Data coming do now in the event that there is a potential tax liability for the time period. That they're talking about. I mean it could be hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars if you add those together. i mean. He's very based on very realistically facing a potential bankruptcy. You'll find some corrupt foreign entity can help him out of the situation so it can either find a corrupt foreign entity as michael cohen. Says or him just send out these fundraising letters. Sometimes a number day and raise the money he needs. He leaves when he is no longer president. Also presidential immunity leaving himself open also to lawsuits which might explain some of these astounding meetings. He's having at the white house right now. Back with for example. Sydney powell who they just forced out because of her outrageousness and unfounded conspiracy voter claims possibly talking about making her some kind of special counsel on electoral fraud but also talking with people like the manny. Just pardoned the general. Michael flynn talking. He's pushing for more law so that trump doesn't have to leave office. Can you explain what happens after he leaves and What kind of accountability. There is for the money and what needs to be done to change the entire system. Because it's not like president trump. That could take advantage of this. Yeah the phenomenon of scam packs are not entirely new. There there is an entire bipartisan Industry of shady political operators using incredibly misleading fundraising appeals to ask people to donate money. That is not actually going towards the purposes for which people donate but it's rare to see. Such misleading appeals coming from a candidate. Much less the the incumbent president Camping financial really does not look at the veracity of fund raising appeals where we're there could be. Some movement is with the ftc and extending the ban on a personal use of campaign funds to leadership. Pacs we we have pending rulemaking petition. With the fcc asking you to clarify that A candidate or politician like trump cannot convert leadership pac funds to his own personal use. There's one trump donor. The north carolina businessman frederick eshelman who sued the campaign to recover his two point five million dollar donation citing quote disappointing results. In the these lawsuits. Do you think there might be other such lawsuits. And do they have any chance of winning. Yeah so that Lawsuit actually pertains to a separate group. True the vote which which also took money from man or which took money from showman with promises to try and overturn the election results and of course failed a distinction between where a lot of the money is coming from four trump's leadership pack and eshelman. Is that a lot of the money for for trump is coming from small donors from from people who may not have the resources to to sue trump or to really even identify that their money is being being misused and again i think that's part of what's unique about this because typically candidates have an incentive to maintain a level of trust with their supporters. They they might use inflammatory. Fundraising appeals but they want to maintain a level of trust so people keep giving of course. Trump is the person who said you could shoot somebody on fifth avenue and still maintain a level of support and this post-election fundraising easy political version of that. We want to thank you. Brendan fisher drifter federal reform at campaign legal center. I'm amy goodman with juan gonzalez. Stay safe wear masks.

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"From New York. This is democracy. Now. Just a terrible situation. You see what's going on? And we're doing everything we can do short of you know, the ultimate there are people that would like to have as do the ultimate. But we are we are we have a lot of options open the Trump administration's threatening to take more action in Venezuela in an attempt to topple the government of nNcholas Maduro following Tuesday's failed coup attempt by position later. One glide, oh, we'll go to Caracas for the latest then the British parliament makes history by declaring a climate emergency. We have no time to waste. We are living in a climate crisis that will spiral dangerously out of control unless we take rapid and dramatic action. Now, we'll speak to British journalist, George Mambazo, all that and more coming up. Welcome to democracy. Now democracy, now dot or the Warren pace report. I made me Goodman, attorney general William bar defended his handling of the Robert Mueller investigation to the Senate Judiciary committee Wednesday as Democrats accused him of working as an agent of President Trump rather than the top US law enforcement official during hours of rancourous. Testimony bar repeatedly refused to answer senators questions about its conclusions. That President Trump did not obstruct Justice in this tempts to end the molar investigation this week, the Washington Post and New York Times reported Muller wrote to bar in March complaining that bars initial four page summary of the special counsel's findings quote, did not fully capture the context nature and substance of Muller's report. This is Connecticut Senator Richard Blumenthal questioning bar about Melissa letter. The letters bits Nettie. And I think it was probably written by one of his staff. People. Did you make a memorandum of your conversation? Did you make a memory anyone else? What did anyone either you or anyone on your staff? Memorialize your conversation with robber mower. Yes. Who did that? There were notes taken of of the cool. May we have those notes now? Why not? Why should you have after the hearing some lawmakers suggested bar should be held in criminal contempt of congress? Meanwhile, Torney general bar said he will not testify today for a second day before the House Judiciary committee, refusing to be questioned by the committee's lawyers in Venezuela government security forces clashed with anti-government protesters in the streets of dacas Wednesday, two days after Venezuelan opposition leaders launched a failed bid to overthrow the government of President Nicolas Maduro, speaking to a massive crowd of supporters outside the presidential palace of Mehta. Florida's Madero said Wednesday, President Trump and his national security adviser John Bolton were directly involved in the attempted coup. D'etat? The new because that was attempted yesterday. This cou skirmish was personally directed from the White House from John Bolton, I it in Washington. The national Security Council Hilda principals meeting Wednesday to discuss Venezuela. The Washington Post reports staff of national security adviser John Bolton clashed with a top general during the meeting for not presenting sufficient military options on Venezuela. Meanwhile, US secretary state, Mike Pompeo told FOX business channel the Trump administration's ready to go to war in Venezuela. This been crystal clear and incredibly consistent military action is possible. If that's what's required. That's what the United States will do after headlines will go to focus Venezuela for the latest on Wednesday. Hundreds of thousands of workers took to the streets of cities worldwide to Mark May Day international workers day in Saint Petersburg, Russia. Police arrested sixty nine people as May Day. Protesters chanted slogans critical of President Vladimir Putin in Paris, France, yellow dust protesters. Join unions environmentalists in the streets as police fired tear gas and water cannons to disperse tens of thousands of demonstrators. Three hundred eighty people were arrested there in Haiti protesters filled the streets of Port-au-Prince May Day calling for an increase in the minimum wage and the western hemisphere's poorest country. They also called on president juvenile Moe's to step down over an embezzlement scandal that saw some four point. Three billion dollars and petro career funds earmarked for social development, go missing in Honduras. Lawmakers say they'll suspend ratification of a pair of bills that would restructure the ministries of education health after massive protests in the capital to goose ago saw protesters clashed with riot police. The bills have the support of the US back president one or London. And then does but are deeply unpopular among doctors and teachers who say they're aimed mass layoffs head of the wholesale privatization of Hundres educational and healthcare systems in Puerto Rico, hundreds of activists marched to Kwan's financial district May Day to protest the federally appointed fistful control board and the reappointment of its members by President Trump the boards been implementing a series of steady measures including pension cuts university tuition hikes in the closing of public schools. This is the neces- confidence of the group feminist collective under construc-. Action. You need to bet in public services, which are needed for quality of life for old people. We need an increase on salaries and increase in pensions, we need to give money to public schools. So that they can rise we need to support university portfolio Rico, we demand workers rights unionization and the protection of lands. We want people to have a safe roof in moments of financial crisis. The last thing we should be putting people out in the streets in South Carolina, ten thousand teachers and their supporters flooded the grounds of the state capitol in Columbia Wednesday in a protest calling for collective bargaining rights and for better pay and working conditions. Teachers Mark May Day with South Carolina's first ever sickout using sick days to shut down seven major school districts in New York City, hundreds of people marked May Day outside the Trump building on Wall Street protesting President Trump's border wall and denouncing wage inequality. This is Christine Lewis domestic worker and labor organizer with domestic workers United. Where women women who look at the homes us nineties kick. Check if us and the can't give us we've make will want street of this in these buildings somebody who's working who's taking care of their home their family and their Dole's. I'm their children was that boson on this international. My Hoskins that women would into homes be respected the Besitas real Luke descend live in which in Texas. US officials say a sixteen year old Guatemalan boy died Tuesday while in the custody of US immigration agencies. The third such migrant child death in recent months, quite Amal's. Foreign ministry says the boy whose name is not been released died of a severe infection frontal lobe of his brain. After he fell ill in the custody of the office of refugee resettlement two days after his arrest by customs and border, protection and Paso, Texas. A statement from the group families belong together. Read quote, too, many children have lost their lives in the custody of our government. President Trump should be ashamed. Family separation and his cruel immigration agenda are literally killing children, they said on Capitol Hill House Judiciary subcommittee on Tuesday. Hell the first congressional hearings on the. Equal rights amendment and more than thirty five years. The proposed constitutional amendment state simply equality of rights under the law shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of sex on quote. The a was approved by congress in nineteen seventy two and was ratified by thirty five states over the next decade. Three states short of the required. Total needed by nineteen eighty-two deadline a Bill by congress member. Jackie spear would eliminate that deadline. Alabama's house of representatives has advanced the most restrictive abortion ban in the United States voting in favor of a Bill that would make it a felony punishable by up to ninety nine years in prison to provide a woman with an abortion, even of for survivors of rape, and incest. If approved by Alabama Senate and signed by Republican governor Kay Ivey. The abortion ban would be the latest state law challenging the US supreme court's nineteen Seventy-three landmark Roe v. Wade decision in. The Indian Ocean cyclone phony has strengthened into the worst tropical storm to threaten India and Bangladesh in at least five years, the cyclones packing winds of one hundred twenty miles per hour making it the equivalent of category. Three hurricane about one hundred million people are in the path of the storm and in Britain, the house of Commons Wednesday became the first parliament in the world to declare climate emergency. This is labor party leader. Jeremy corbyn. We have no time to waste. We are living in a climate crisis that will spiral dangerously out of control unless we take rapid and dramatic action. Now, this is no longer about a distant future. Which hawking about nothing less than the irreversible destruction of the environment within our lifetimes of members of this house. Wednesday's resolution is largely symbolic comes on the heels of APRIL's extinction. Rebellion uprising in London that saw police arrests more than a thousand protesters many of whom superglue themselves to buildings trains and sidewalks and nonviolent direct action. And those are some of the headlines, this is democracy. Now democracy now dot org. The Warren peach report, I made me Goodman, and I've never mean Shaef, welcome to our listeners and viewers around the country and around the world. We begin today's show in Venezuela where competing pro and anti-government rallies were held Wednesday. Then as Wayland President Nicolas Maduro accused the United States of backing Tuesday's failed coup led by opposition leader on though, speaking to a massive crowd of supporters outside the presidential palace of Mita. Florida's meduse said the United States had been tricked into believing that several top Venezuelan officials were ready to break with his government. In this opportunity, the Venezuelan coup mongers fooled the American perilous making them believe that I was to give up that I was going to hand myself in that I was to leave the country in Washington. The national Security Council held a principals meeting on Wednesday to discuss Venezuela. The Washington Post reports the stuff of national security adviser John Bolton clashed with a top general during the meeting for not presenting sufficient military options on Venezuela. This came as acting Defense Secretary Patrick Shanahan cancelled a planned overseas trip to focus on Venezuela. Meanwhile, Secretary of state Mike Pompeo called Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov to urge an end to Russian involvement in Venezuela. Lava for pointedly responded by warning the United States should not take any more aggressive steps in Venezuela on Wednesday night, President Trump appeared on FOX business. It's a terrible thing. People star. Irving people are are dying. There's no food is no water. It's just a terrible situation. You see what's going on? And we're doing everything we can do short of you know, the ultimate there are people that would like to do have as the ultimate. But we are we are we have a lot of options open. But we look at what's going on there. It's it's an incredible mess. We go now to dock and spend as well where we're joined by two guests Carlos Ron is Venezuelan vice minister of foreign relations for North America. And a Lander is Venezuelan Cecil Algis who's part of the citizens platform in defense of the constitution. Lander is a retired professor at central university in Venezuela. We welcome you both to democracy. Now. Let's begin with Carlos run the reports in the United States were that plane was at the ready on the tarmac four president Madero to flee Venezuela. Let to Cuba, but he got a call from Russia that Tolten to stay can you tell us what the truth is. And if you see this as a failed coup that's over. Well, thank you very much for the invitation. First of all, I think this this version from Washington this ridiculous because I think the little has made it clear that that he's not going to betray the the will finish on people and and just leave the country because. US pressure. But also, it's wide misunderstanding of Venice on politics and venison reality to think that you know. He's on ready to get on a plane. But then he, you know, he gets a call from Russia, and that's what stops them, and I think it's just a pretext from the failed the US policy. Here. What is clear is that they're they're the United States is clearly and blatantly promoting a coup later in in Venezuela from every high ranking official from people in congress like Michael Rubio, Bolton bump, AO, etc. And you know, the during the whole day of of of of the the coup attempt. They were tweeting and threatening the military and asking the military's join him. There was clearly an intent. I think they have been fooled by their. Counterparts here by by their advisers or by the people in in the opposition who they speak to hear into believing that this is an easy thing to accomplish. And then just to save face and face the new the repercussions. They make up the story about Russia involvement or Cuban involvement whatsoever. I mean, this is, you know, we're we're government run on behalf of the people who elected us and who gave us their trust. And we're going to keep prison dulas going to keep the fending his position and the constitution. Among the many statements that Trump administration officials have made national security adviser John Bolton who's made several statements, but among them he's publicly claimed that three key Venezuelan officials had abandoned an agreement to leave. Madero government on Tuesday Bolton tweeted a video in which he named the three officials. It's particularly important now that all of us speak to those in the military and the regime who can make a difference to defense minister, Vladimir pa- Drina, oh to chief judge of the supreme court mckell Merano and commander the presidential guard, Rafael Hernandez dollar. These are three people who agreed with one Guido to transfer power from nNcholas Maduro to the interim, president vainly tact everybody who supports freedom for Venezuela needs to tell them to act now victory is within your grasp. I'd like to ask. Landa can you respond to that? And the number of statements that have come from Trump administration officials about what's happening in Venezuela and urging a people in Venezuela to follow a Guido. Good morning, Amy. Of course. I have. No, I wrecked. Excess to to judge. The statements, but it's obvious that this is just a continuation of this attempt by the US government by this Neo cons hawks that are leading US foreign policy and relations Venice. And that they really have no problem making up whatever story they find it's convenient in order to justify their actions. Obviously there are some people in the current administration that want a military intervention Venezuelan. They want to redeem change, and they don't need any excuse for that just making up stories to justify this intervention and try to convince people within the United States try to convince people within the US military that find this to really dangerous adventure. And of course position and Capitol Hill. How do you explain? Gardo Landers that it's both Democrats and Republicans that are posing with your. I mean, there are many progressive Venezuelans as well who are extremely critical of of Maduro, you have the Human Rights Watch. And amnesty reports that have come out. I think one of the reports is titled. Let's see. One of the reports being titled fear and repression hunger Venezuela hunger punishment in fear of the formula for oppression used by thirties under nNcholas Maduro. Enormous frustration with the elected president Maduro, but also the horror that the US is threatening war like this comment from US secretary of state, Mike, Pompeo, speaking on FOX business. Been crystal-clear and. Incredibly consistent military action is possible. If that's what's required. That's what the United States will do where trying to do everything we can to avoid violence. We've asked all the parties involved not to engage in that kind of activity. We'd prefer a peaceful transition of government there where mature leaves at a new election is held. But the president has made clear in the event that there comes a moment, and we'll all have to make decisions about when that moment is and the president will ultimately have to make that decision. He's prepared to to that. If that's what's required. Say you have the reports of the national Security Council the United States the rage of the Bolton people attacking the US general for not coming up with more military options. You have pump peyot saying the US is ready to go to war and Venezuela. But then you have a guard of Landa progressives in Venezuela as well saying that Maduro has failed and. Leading Venezuela that the country is. In an absolute catastrophe. Well, that's true. I'm part of a could be called the critical left. Minnesota another has been quite critical of the government for some time with think that the government has completely failed and has led to an incredible social and humanitarian crisis in the country. We have had a collapsed economy. The Konami today fifty percent of what it used to be just five years ago oil production. It's about a fourth of what it used to be some type six years ago. The garment has increasingly gone beyond the constitution and its main priority seems to remain in power. No matter what. And it saw abuse that we need it transition. The problem is how we have a transition. If we have the US policy in those policy, this will mean violent transition, this would mean, civil war. This would mean the US intervention I belong to smoke elected. Call the citizens platform independent. The constitution have been arguing for some time. With other groups that what we need is some form of negotiation in that would lead to asking the Venice on people what they want. We are asking for a consultative referendum in which people would be given a chance to the side. If they want to continue with this government, if they want to continue with the national assembly, or if they want to open up the means to a democratic. Electoral concision, that's defined by the Venezuelan people note by US pressure. No by US sanctions note by US intervention, but a decision that should be in the hands of the people both sides claimed that having a your ity. Both sides are unwilling to even start any serious talks negotiations and yesterday's activities just two days and the before activists just show the extreme which size are pressing in order to avoid and negotiation. Every time there seems to be a chance of some talks that would lead to a negotiation that would. Look forward to way known violence Lucien than there's a very active decision by one of the sides to blockade this possibility. I think the United States is to an everything possible to make it impossible to have an association because what they want this Irving of Mobuto, and this is simply not possible. We have a situation in which the two sides are at this moment forgetting politics such both sides refused to recognize the other side. And this is a war like situation, it's a situation in which both sides attempt to exterminate the other side, and this is certainly not possibly minutes for today. We have a confrontation between two sides. The have a log of power on one side has some of government has control of the state. It has to backing the armed forces and has. The backing of a sector of the popular population Minnesota which today, so minority, obviously, it's a minority. But it's still there. This is something that seem from side swallowed especially from right media. They simply refused to recognize the fact that for certain proportion of Venezuelan popular sectors. They're still some they acted backing for the Muto government on the other side. We have we have though who has become the most popular leader in the country today. He has backing the today I can say that it's a majority of Minnesota population, but his strength, obviously, it's not internal, but it is US backing and in this confrontation on less. There is a negotiation. There is very very high risk of civil war of violent outcomes and the United States as you have said has repeatedly insisted that. At the military option is on the table. Carlos run. You are a senior member of the Maduro government of Venezuelan, vice minister of foreign relations for North America. Can you respond to what at gotta those said. And what you think explains the precipitous collapse of so many aspects of Venezuelan a governing structures from the economy to public services and most of this having occurred while model has been in power. Have a have some disagreements with with the guy though. Of course, I respect them. That's the whole point. I mean, we can have disagreements as Venice walence. And that's what this is about. You know, we we need to solve our differences, politically and agree in data agree with with got through dialogue through politics and not through violence. What what we are seeing from from the side of why though and that group of extreme opposition leaders is is really a call for a call for a violent overthrow the government and the end the invasion for United States from prevention. That's more dangerous. I think you know, you see how US officials are so committed to to politics in Venezuela and Soviet because it does play into internal politics in the United States. I mean, there's a reason why both both sides of the aisle sort of go to the Minnesota issue because they won the votes in Florida. They could get. Florida's a key state for the for the two hundred twenty election. And when you have also candidates in in in the US speaking about a socialism, you see credit socialism, or whatever you want you want to call it. But you you see how the current administration is trying to downplay that by showing? Venezuela. A sample failed social experience what they don't take into account is that a lot of the problems that we have been having and nobody can deny is the effects of sanctions and other measures taken by the United States against government. I mean there there there's a financial blockade currently going on right now where you know, least about six billion dollars are stuck in banks where we can't even make transactions to make basic purchases for food medicine and supplies that we need to to to make the economy move forward and so forth. I mean, this this is not this is not fake this a reality. It's reality that about last week when we were in New York with a in the United Nations does the parliament of state issued a fact sheet on their policies in Venezuela. And it will take an off line the the very next morning because as the key outcomes. Of the US policy in Venezuela. They put things such as why though being interim president three point two million dollars being blocked in banks. And then we disagree with the with the amount. But just the fact that they were saying that this complement of US policy the drop in oil production. I mean, there's a recognition that there is there's an intent in US policies to to hinder the Venezuelan government's capability of dealing with national problems. We're bound to have a comic problems that that's not a not something heard of in developing country, but there's definitely an intent to make to to weaken government policies to weaken the government and to produce in this take this to a regime change civility kind of could you care fi though? First of all, whether you agree with Edgardo that internally a negotiated transition is needed given the situa-. Nation in Venezuela and Medeiros unpopularity at gotta those said that glide though is today a politician who is most popular among the Venezuelan people. I disagree with with the garland that point because believed that if he were the most popular. Fought in in Venezuela. He wouldn't need the US backing to come out to the streets in the wooded where he's doing what I what I agree with him. Is the fact that I think problems of Venezuelans have to be solved by Venezuelans have to be solved with politics with violence, not with attempt to cools. But we have a constitution. We have means. So we need to sit down and find different different formulas to solve our problems. We have this agreements, Ohio. How we see? I mean, I support President Mobutu. And I believe that our politics are the way which would go, and he has another opinion. And I think as Venezuelans in the Markus. That's what you do you have different subpoenas. And then you try to play them out. But you don't try to do this through violence, and you don't try to do is three US intervention. That's that's that's the key point here. Whatever problems we have Venezuelans, whatever differences. We have to work them out first of all amongst and segment will through the mechanisms so that they are. I'd like to talk about the US media coverage of the crisis invents well over the last several months and piece published Tuesday, the media watchdog fairness and accuracy in reporting known as fair found the mainstream corporate media here in the United States, did not publish even one opinion piece opposing regime change in Venezuela. The fair pieces headlined zero percent of elite commentators oppose regime, change in Venezuela. One example, fair cited as a. New York Times opinion piece published last month, headlined what my fellow liberals don't get about Venezuela. The video features Venezuelan American comedian and writer Joe on a houseman. Let's go to a clip way though is not an American right wing puppet leading illegitimate coup. But a social democrat appointed by the national assembly, the only remaining democratically elected institutions left in Venezuela. Why those job is to ensure free and fair elections. Because newsflash the last election was not free or failed. The New York Times did not point out that your father Ricardo Hausmann is a close ally of opposition leader on Widodo and was appointed by to service Venezuela's Representative to the interim African Development Bank guard around there could you talk about the media coverage, and what that means. What Soviet that the corporate media has been following US policy? And this isn't new I'm gonna happened during the Iraq war. It's happening in Libya. It's happened all over the place. The papers like the New York Times term too critical after the facts maybe ten years from now they'll be critical of their position in relation to what's happening in Minnesota. What I also think that it's important to recognize that the problems minutes are not black and white. It's not an issue of the democratic government presented by some fascist position. The problems I'm much more complicated. And I think that what has to take into account that the series economic and humanitarian crisis in Venezuela is mainly due to the incapacity and corruption of the garment it's true that over the last two years US sanctions has become a really critical important issue. The fact that there's a peninsula okayed the fact that unit that Venezuela has been highly dependent on oil exports and imports from the United States has that had this moment. Brocaded the fact that the the Minnesota have snow to foreign credit. The fact that the central Bank has some prohibited with in dealing with dollars. And there's a whole range of sanctions that is having a huge impact on the economy. But this has been happening mainly during the Trump administration, and this is from August twenty seventeen but the economic crisis. Minnesota started way before that the the K of the Minnesota GDP that the K of. Public services the lowering of living standards, the limited access to what used to be the main achievements of one. Felon process during the first day kid. Are all things that were happening before the sanctions? So we have a combination off a very incompetent government and extremely corrupt government, and increasingly authoritarian government on one side the other side, we have this position back by the United States with this constant threat of intervention. So we need to find a solution in which there is supposedly for the Venezuelan people to have say and decide what they want for their country in a non violent way anyone vision that happened. How do you envision that happening? You have these protests in the streets right now, you have people on both sides. Even if this particular coup attempt has failed and would you say Gardo at has failed. How do you see this dialogue going across the political spectrum? Even though they claimed now that there was no cooler ten obviously there was a cooler tent quite himself. Call the cool cool in process. Failed to just shows in my perspective that the Venezuelan population doesn't want violent solution. He doesn't wanna solution that is through a cool through military cool. And it does not want the US profession. There's always some talks going on always sort of on the ground backstage. And every time there's something like the coup attempt this week this. Offense to have some sort of negotiation some sort of turn into that's numb byland. That's in the hands of Venezuelans, it's once again postponed because both sides than sort of back to their really rigid position. And be. Really dry to maintain whatever power. They have. It's extremely necessary to have a situation in which both sides recognized that they can't defeat the other side. There's no way that the ministerial and government can survive until the end of the middle government in terms of the six year period because economists collapsing people are in a really dramatic situation. It's almost four million people to have left the country. This is an incredible political statement people really can't stand the situation anymore, and the has to be an attorney active, but this alternative can't be in cooled. It can't be US intervention. It can be Biden's Carlos, Iran. I wanted to ask you about the end ac- right now in Washington D C where? About to play a clip we took a tour of it. The other day activists really American activists are in charge of it. Right now, you the Venezuelan government gave them the keys. Can you? Explain why the Madero government why your government has left the US embassy in Washington DC. Well, we have. We broke relations with the United States on January twenty third and then out of the process of that. We have our diplomatic staff has left the embassy. However, it is Venezuelan properties probably state, and we have allowed us us. Our guests the collective of of social movements of that have used the the space to to meet and to speak about different issues that that no they're concerned. And because they themselves wanted to also make a statement that against intervention Venezuela against the violation of international law because if if you recall a few weeks ago, there was a forceful entry into the consulate of Venice Walea in New York and in two other buildings of our of our own by the Vinson. State and there were giving to the representatives of why though which is violation of the Vienna. Convention article forty five of the convention says that even if two states break relations, there has to be respect for the premises. That'll be the premises of the mission are inviolable. So they need to be protected and there were handed over illegally to to the. About to go into that embassy in a minute. But we just have a minute before we lose the satellite feed. Can you tell us what is the involvement of Russia right now in Venezuela? Oh, we have a relationship with Russia that we have in a relationship with other countries such as China and other countries that we have established. Treaties. And and some you know thinks to foment promoted development in in Venezuela. I mean, there's a relationship is one of friendship and this one of cooperation, and that's in. This is this is the way it's being portrayed by US authorities. If there's any other type of influence on the government is the people of innocent other side through its elected leaders. What sort of this? Well, we wanna thank you both very much for being with us. Carlos Ron Venezuelan vice-minister foreign relations for North America. Speaking to us from dacas and Gardo Landa sociologists in Venezuela. Where it's part of the citizens platform defense of the constitution retired professor at central university of Venezuela in cut across this is democracy. Now democracy now dot org. The Warren piece report on Tuesday, we went down to Washington DC where we met with activists who are occupying the Venezuelan embassy, the Venezuelan government has left the building. But they gave their keys to these activists. They're demanding the activists are that the Trump administration canceled plans to turn the embassy over to Venezuelan opposition leaders. This is a real gold with code pink. Here we are outside the Venezuelan embassy. Tell us who you are. Who you're with? And why you're here. I'm REO gold. And I'm the national co director for code pink code pink has been here. We're going on week three cents April fourteenth. And we've been here in order to protect this embassy from takeover by quite DOE. Who is Trump's puppet and Trump has been trying to Trump and Elliot Abrams to orchestrate a coup in Venezuela and taking over this building. How is that? How has the US been involved with the takeover of this building? I mean, this was the embassy. It's the embassy of the government of Venice Walea, the president elected is Madurai. So what's happened here where are Medeiros people, whereas the government? Well, the State Department has ordered all of the Venezuelan diplomats to leave the embassy, and they did in fact leave the embassy, but the Venezuelan government gave us permission, and we call ourselves the embassy protection. Collective they gave us permission to be inside this building twenty four seven. Can you? Tell us who you are. And why you're here today Z with popular existence? Some part of the embassy protection collective we here because this embassies under attack. The secret service has been coming around taking pictures contact with the State Department. They tell us they are going to some point remove us. I asked them what they charge us with. And I say we're here legally, we're not trespassing the Venezuelan government. They elected government allows us to be here. They gave us a key to come in. So we're lawfully here. The strange thing is is the Trump administration comes in. They'll be the lawbreakers the Vienna. Convention says, this is inviolate they can't violate, this empathy. They can't trespass they can't unlawfully entry enter they can't give this the opposition. That's not their role their job under the Ana conventions to protect this embassy not to violate so we're here doing the job that the Trump administration should be doing. Can you take us inside the embassy where walking to the back of the Venezuelan? Bassy dangling from REO gold of code pink backpack. It says why do not welcome here? We're going inside. Here's the heat ability. Okay. We have your permission from over. Maybe can you tell us? What these this is a baseball charity. Majer donors is here. Kevin you're unexplained. These are they're very both Maduro and shoves where baseball players baseball is a sport that's very popular in Venezuela. So where are we going for heaven's east? Those in Venezuela last may for the reelection of president Madore. There was actually an election. He was a dictator nine million people voted you'll receive six million votes. There were more than one hundred fifty international election observers and the unanimously came out and said that it met international standards for democracy. There was no fraud and Madeira was legitimately elected and comparing that to go I'd oh quite oh one second place in the national assembly election. Twenty four percent. Of the vote in the second smallest state with a tiny political party. He got in because the top to get in. And so then because the top two winners the top two in the in the race get into the legislature. So we got in barely got into the legislature from a tiny state with a tiny party. And then he was elevated by. Trump Trump and Pence to be the president. He he was unknown most. Well, the night it was a process, actually, it'd be in January at the they had multiple meetings to try to resolve this Leopold. Lopez was on video conference they working on this early that long. Then finally, they decided on on Guido is there by and the night before that Guido self appointed Michael Pence called him said, we're behind you. If you do it soon as as soon as Guido announced Trump immediately, endorsed him got the right wing governments in America and the western European countries to join him why. Because the example of of an independent then his wheel is a powerful example that they don't want to see. Kevin Z's with popular resistance. One of the dozens of protesters who've been occupying the Venezuelan embassy for more than two weeks. Go to democracy now dot org to hear more voices from inside the Venezuelan embassy in Washington DC when we come back Britain becomes the first nation the world to declare a climate emergency. We'll speak with George MAMBO. Stay with us. Second. On the. Beckham. Lhasa? The. Does your voice by selling new crews and Oscar delay on this is democracy? Now. I mean, he Goodman with Nurmi share. We turn now to the United Kingdom on Wednesday. The house of Commons became the first parliament in the world to declare a climate emergency. This is labor party leader. Jeremy corbyn. We have no time to waste. We are living in a climate crisis that will spiral dangerously out of control unless we take rapid and dramatic action. Now, this is no longer about a distant future. Which hawking about nothing less than the irreversible destruction of the environment within our lifetimes of members of this house. Wednesday's resolution as largely symbolic and has no direct consequences for policy, but it comes on the heels of the recent extinction rebellion mass uprising that shutdown central London last month in a series of direct actions at device closed bridges occupied public landmarks and even superglued themselves to buildings sidewalks and trains to demand urgent action to combat climate change. Police arrested more than a thousand protesters for more. We're joined by guardian columnist and author George Mambazo. His most recent book out of the wreckage new politics for age of crisis is recent piece for the guardian headlined only rebellion will prevent an ecological apocalypse, George. Welcome back to democracy. Now. Talk about the significance this vote. Okay. So there's editing. Abilities. It is highly significant because it provides leverage for people like myself people like it stink tion rebellion the youth climate strike has to actually say well now you MP's you members of parliament have declared climate emergency. You have to Acton. It. And of course, it's not clear that they've completely thought through the implications of this. I mean on the same day yesterday that this time it emergency was declared that was a legal ruling saying a third runway at Heathrow airport can go ahead. Well, this is an emergency. I'm not means we need to start retiring fossil fuel based infrastructure rather than building more of it. So what we can now do is to say to members of parliament, you've agreed to this. Now you've got to follow through. You've actually got to work this through see what the implications are and respond accordingly. Can you talk about George Mambi? A what kinds of facts, you think this? I mean, obviously, it's not binding and has no effect on policy, but Jeremy Corbyn and parliament's decision to declare climate catastrophe could with the combination of activists pressure lead to some kind of change. You've cited Jeremy lent and his idea of an ecological civilization. What would that take? Yes. So this is one of several very important ideas, which are coming forward at the moment for really looking at how we can replace a whole political economy with a new system because it's very clear now capitalism is broken. It is like a gun pointed at the heart of the planet. It's these characteristics, which means that it will essentially necessarily destroy our life support systems among those characteristics. Are it's the drive for perpetual, economic growth on a finite planet, you just can't support that ecologically things fall apart. It also says well anyone has got a right to buy as much natural wealth as money allows which means that people are just grabbing far more natural wealth than I the population as a whole all the planet itself support. And so we need to start looking out of completely new basis for running our economies and one of the many excellent ideas that is Jeremy Lenz proposal for an ecological civilization put forward in his excellent book, the patterning instinct. Let me ask you about extinction. Rebellion. George Mambazo more than a thousand people arrested in a two week period. That's just wrapped up in London and other places people super gluing themselves to Shell's headquarters, for example, there you had the climate negotiator. One of the people who helped craft the Paris climate agreement of two thousand fifteen well respected attorney. She herself said then we make laws now we break laws super glowing herself in being arrested. It's an extraordinary thing that has happened extinction. Rebellion is extremely well organized group that got some great strategies bringing these ecstasy cyncial issues right front and center of the public mind, which is where they belong and they've done so through some very clever and cheeky and disruptive actions, but managed to swing a huge amount of public support towards them sometime civil disobedience alienates more people than it attracts. But in this case, that's being very significant move towards a. Public awareness of climate breakdown on a public desire to do something about it. We're going to break in and come back to this discussion. We're speaking to the British journalists columnist, author George MAMBO stay with us. Game. Show. Shout to the top by the style council. This is democracy. Now democracy now dot org. The warrant peach report, I mean Goodman with Nermeen shave. I wanna turn to sixteen year old Swedish climate activists coulda tune bug who joined extinction rebellion protests last month in London. Now facing existential crisis the climate crisis and ecological crisis. Which have never been treated as crisis before they have been ignored for decades. And for way, too long the politicians and the people power have gotten away with not doing anything at all to fight the climate crisis and the ecological crisis. But we will make sure that they will not get away with it any longer so still with us, George Mon GO, British journalist. And also he's a columnist with the guardian. So George won't be oh, can you respond? Tell us the significance of the school strikes that Greta launched their possible influence on the British parliament's vote. And also what you've said about the media coverage of climate change, and how that's affected public perceptions of this crisis. Well, the school strikes and no side extinct from Abedin have changed everything in this country. And indeed in many other parts of the world, they have suddenly galvanize public opinion and public action, and they have forced the media to cover this issue. Which is it has massively neglected for many years. The thirty years I've been biking my head against the wall saying these are the issues that count climate breakdown environmental breakdown off are more important than the Konami the economy like everything else cannot survive without life support systems. And yet if that covetable that relegated to a tiny footnote. That was a recent survey done by Deloitte of the major broadcasters in the UK, and they found that the wood pizza was mentioned ten times as often as climate change last year and chocolate was mentioned thirty times as we've gives you. You some idea of priorities in this country. You wrote an article George in December about how US billionaires are fueling extreme right wing causes in the UK do those causes include climate change. And what is the nature of this influence? We have now this shift of the coke brothers and others operating. Not just in the US, but elsewhere they've been funding in this country magazine cooled spiked which has a long record of dismissing in the environmental crisis dismissing the climate crisis attacking campaign is including Greta tune buddy, this vicious, horrible attack, basically attacking hat for being autistic having us bogus. And in the most disgusting way. And it doesn't make sense until you realize. Oh, yes. Funded by the Cote profits, and for long time Oviously billionaires have been controlling the media in one way or another in most cases, you have to be a billionaire to own a newspaper or television station. And what is want is the opposite to what most of the world? Needs. But now, we see them infiltrating organizations. They don't necessarily own but funding them and ensuring that their agenda is followed. Mambi and actually people should go to Greta conversation that we had with her employment at the UN climate or she talks about Asper having it at how it makes her single focused and seeing things in black white really interesting, people should go, Mark. But in this last minute, we have if you can talk about the broader effects of the parliamentary announcement what it means around the world. I mean, you have the situation, for example, where the effects of climate change are being felt particularly in the global south Indonesia has announced plans to relocate its capital away from Jakarta home to ten million people as the city threatened by a one two punch of subsiding land and rising seas due to climate change. And this last minute talk about that. And what this means for the world. This well for so long the rich world has benefited from the burning fossil fields while the poll world is having to pay the price. And we're now seeing this come home to roost, so all rich nations need to declare a climate emergency. And then act on that by leaving fossil fields in the ground. By retiring fossil field dependent infrastructure. I'm by completely changing the basis of their economies. We're going to thank you so much for being with us. George Mambi British journalist and author columnist with the guardian. Most recent book out of the wreckage new politics for an age of crisis will link to your piece in the guardian only rebellion will prevent an ecological pockets. He would speak into us from reading England. And that does it for our show democracy now has immediate job opening for our paid fulltime digital fellowship here in New York City. You can go to democracy now dot org were also accepting applications for paid six month. Internships, check, it all out at our website democracy now produce my mic, Martina, Gesner me, shake, Carla wills. Are enough semi Croft John Hamilton Ravi. 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Liberation Presents.....Tommy Tidwell

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Liberation Presents.....Tommy Tidwell

"Before i began. I wished to dedicate this episode in the memory of shane. Kit will i send my condolences to his wife his beautiful children and also my condolences to tommy research it will made a piece surpasses understanding. Be with your darndest time. Thank you for listening to this episode on the beret shit. I'm your host hat's liberation percents. Tell me to tell me is an evangelist and elderconsult cop. Church of christ also serves as a campus director for the georgia school of preaching in difficult studies. In this episode. Tommy will talk to us about his career in the ministry the importance of study. How cultural emphasis steel affected church. Please shift today at. Had a very special gentlemen. He helped navigate me from afar as far as the way i have attempted to study. God's word and to learn more about it. I was introduced to him by way of shortly. Gop which stance for georgia school of preaching biblical studies. I believe our first class together was deuteronomy. Maybe they man and no. We did about two classes together. A deuteronomy sticks out to me He took time to talk to me even after classes. Just to talk about life life. In general my growth is a christian. And i really really appreciate it those conversations. I'm sure i caught him out of the blue when i asked him if he will Like to be part of this show and he obliged in greatly greatly. Appreciate it He has been evangelist evangelist for over twenty eight years and he also again works for gop in which he is a director and chairman which will get into a little bit more We have my brother my friend my teacher mr tami tidwell tommy to how're you doing today better than i deserve brother and appreciate you a student. You encourage me now. Always love those talks. I love sitting down talking with you about this stuff. So i feel honored that you asked me to be a part of this thank. You couldn't think of ten people better So let's get into tidwell from the very beginning. What led you. To the lord's i had attended. My mom had been a member of the nazarene church. And i had attended the nazarene church. Young boy In nineteen seventy three. My grandfather died among grandmother. Decided she wanted to go back to church are right down. The road was the macedonian church of christ and it just had because we lived about three hundred miles from one another Me or wilma. Sisters would always be staying with her at night because she was similar to of staying there by herself so she takes the church. And that's where. I found out the gospel and Listen to it for the very first time It was kind of an amazing situation. I was there probably six or eight months. And then i realized you know in in that six or eight months had had been the church that mom had gone to and i. I couldn't tell you the first sermon. That i heard you know are again. It may have been. Because i was just very young. I don't know but nothing really stuck with me. But what really stuck with me. When i went to the Macedonia percha crisis lars alabama with. My grandmother was man. This guy's used bible up one side down the other. I got excited about ask started digging into the bible and the next thing i knew i baptized into crashed and begin with the war. The age thirteen thirteen thirteen. I think i was somewhere around age So you spent time at the nasreen church so you weren't unfamiliar with lawyers weren't even at thirteen How long were you. Don't really know what you wanna do in life just yet At what point did you want to move into the ministry. What motivated you to become a preacher again being part of that congregation and this was a loving congregation as i said in alabama and they i just listen to the i said you know what i'd like to try to do that and they actually let me about six months to a year later to actually let me to prepare for sermon. Now people today dream of me doing that I probably worked on it for three. Solid months It was a simple decided to do simple simple like the payroll of the soils. That's what it was about. I never will forget. That was my first sermon. I worked on three or four months. I had had spoke in front of a mirror. You name it. I did everything. I need to do at that age because i had never taken any classes or anything like that and To make a long story. Short that i had it down about thirty minutes and numerous stood up in front of all those people that are first time. That states fried hit. Men hit big time because this kardashian about three hundred and five minutes and and that's what i was saying earlier people dream today that i would do the same thing but anyway so so you were only what about fourteen fourteen abacha's and the thing is is they let me continue to work on it and one of the things that impressed me in encourage me in his says a lot to me as far as unconcerned important. It is for those of us in the church whenever we see somebody. That's interested in doing that. We need to encourage of not sit back and just you know discourage them but we need to do all we can to encourage them. And that's part of the reason. Why when i had the opportunity to start teaching george school approaching. That was like wow. This is great. And that's what i've been trying to do to give back what they gave me back there that very first time you know as i said i'm never have forgotten that and i never have forgotten those people and I would hope and pray that all in the church all across this land would encourage young men an older man even do that very same thing because desperate made church today absolutely absolutely So you say you worked three or four months With you to kind of guide you through this process or how did that work not really. Oh i just kind of work through it. i did have a run it by the preacher And he seemed like it was going to be okay and like i said but that that first time standing in front of all those people. They're scared out at fourteen hundred people. Yeah oh my knees would have buckled at the steps. You're absolutely right about encouraging. People now want to say at some point in the midst within. Gop me taking my courses. There i wanna say may have even text you the first time. I was selected. Teach a class Because i felt like you were instrumental in that in that role. Little did i know And the reason. I even wanted to take classes. There is because a lot of the things i had read and watched videos of Unfortunately i hate to put it this way. A lot of things that i've seen in her weren't introduced to me in some of the congregations i had been in the past and i wanted to expand on my knowledge in. I'm not one who wanted to become see myself as a minister. But i do see myself as a teacher. 'cause i see very underrated role and i have oftentimes congregations here in cleveland. Ohio have seen situations where Especially at a small congregation if the minister goes on vacation has a definite family isn't able to preached that particular week. They're scrambling to find a teacher to substitute number one. My biggest problem with data is where are men of that congregation. Why aren't they being brought up. Secondly is if a minister from another congregation is being sent somewhere else. That's a heavy burden on him. At short notice to have to put together lesson and find out where they're at their sunday school lesson in that too so i saw myself particularly. Is you know. I could be somebody that could be used as a mercenary if you will from guess what bible teachers get sick to bible. Teachers have things that go on in their life. And if you don't have men equipped. I would have no problem standing in the gap and i just wanted to expand on the knowledge in those kind of things. Just baffled me. And i guess we can get into more at More that later but that that was the moment. I said okay. I think there's more to this bible thing that Need to take serious so Fourteen you became preacher in or navigated into that direction. So at what. How old were you when you decided to take this on seriously. I'd always been given that opportunity. And that was the thing like i said. They're really encouraged me. I think about what you were saying a moment ago and this addresses it a little bit. You know pasha paul. Besides the idea that the over men are to teach the younger man. the the women to teach the younger women One of the biggest divides in the church. Today is not just race but it's also age and and We don't older men and older women are not doing what they need to be doing to try to encourage There is something to be said about. Ami's families have a big importer role as well. My mom and dad really never encouraged me to do that. as i said they were going to church My mom had issues with me being baptized as i said a young guy and not talking to her first So i didn't get a lot from my mom and dad But i did get a lot from. And in fact this congregation that that i'd preached aunt had offered even offered to send me print harmon college and wanted to do that but Mom have it so to keep the pace. Obviously i i didn't Also about that. Same time as i'm getting about seventeen eighteen years old about graduate school. I'm just thinking about joining the marine corps because my dad was marine corps and I'm thankful didn't work out In that respect because a lot of times going to the military and a break some and an auto situations of. I don't come back out with with our hearts hardened somewhat again understand why because they have to get ready to do the job. They have to do so little much shelf. I have not had bless me Alison salutory in in my house. School class had the second half. Gpa in fact. I was set up to be valedictorian but there was a guy that came in there. The last year graduated from from some college and callard not college but high school in california. And and he just you know. So how and i had my first year in which attended the university in alabama on a academic scholarship and Same time. I still had that. Desire heritage christian university led the time it was international baba college which there in florence alabama so I did something really stupid. I took a semester at. Unm a full load and semester it next baba college full load and And but but what surprised me out of all of it is the fact that Pass every course with ace straight as so god blessed me in that respect And then after being there international bible college. I got my associated arts degree. There moved on then will know the dean from international bible college had moved down and shut up a poly mid part of the president of the magnolia bible college down in mississippi about the same time i met my wife at the college international bible college And then we got married in moved to mississippi and our first son there. But i was preaching there as well as going to magnolia bible college. Same time where. I got my bachelor's degree and then many years later i went back to international bible college which is now heritage christian and got my master's degree But in that time has said approach to years. mississippi Moved over here to georgia preach for about five hundred half years one congregation Then we moved to another car gatien down in southern georgia. They're six months. I want to talk about that whole lot. Okay that that was. That was a very bad situation in every situation in the terms. And i need at. They were seventy five people layer and it looks like the church was gonna to be great when we left. There was fifteen In it was a bad bad deal. And that's a whole another thing that we talked about. But so then i came back up here to atlanta. Tried out a car. Gatien here Started preaching clark eighty nine. I'm getting too much history. I guess but this we actually had two small congregations now. Georgia is a lot like other places in the country. Georgia didn't have a lot of churches of christ they're few and far between And if they did have one in what would happen. Is there usually smaller congregations. That have a lot of problems One of the things that i've always thought about. And i think a lot about this preachers is that you know what would be the best situation as i look at. It is if some of these bigger congregations could afford it. That can't afford it. They would bring in a young man. That's just maybe outta college or go into college and still doing and guide him as well as the older preacher guiding him getting him ready to the point where maybe in two years or so he would be out in at least then you see you. Don't learn a lot of stuff all you don't learn everything college you have to have some of this by the college hard knocks and embroidered. I learned something in that six months church in in a one that moving here the small car gatien called clarksdale in then. There was another smaller car. Gatien about five miles down the road. It was called liberty hill in we began in nineteen eighty nine to have a discussion about merging and we merge the two car gatien's together in nineteen ninety in this form the south cob church. And i've been here sent into the other. Preacher that was at liberty hill was preaching as well as i was preaching we swap off. He pretended more than that sunday night. The next week. I'd preach any more than he preached sunday night. It was a beautiful relationship. He got older he retired. And i just. I just took place ever since then and This goes back to what i was saying earlier. Olbermann teaching younger man. Old women teaching young women. I learned a lot from injury The other purchase here and and It's one of those things that we don't do a lot of thinking about this in the lord's church but we do send a lot of times we send younger guys into these congregations with big problems. with one person or two people trying to run everything then what winds up happening museum knock hedge and is not doing the church any good when these stay only a couple of years. You need to stay. you'll even get really started. Good in getting to know the people in a period of two years. And so then you'd flip flip through an in an i am elaborating initially more to me to personally. This has been a problem in the war shirts for years so much so that what would happen is about. We went through about the time during the sixties the seventies In own into the eighties. Where preachers will congregation They will stay there about two years and then they would either. A had the opportunity to go to a bigger congregation. It was their chance to step up. They've learned a lot in that two years that they were a smaller car or the brethren would be upset about that richard because he knocked hands too much with some of the others and they get rid of it. So here's what happened assiut. Whenever we went through that period. In as i said in the sixties in the seventies and and so forth and even the fifties nineteen fifty sixty and seventy when you have a preacher move in and then leave within two years let me tell you what pushers the first two years we there. We mainly preach far basic. First principle sermons because we don't know the problems we don't know the people we don't know where or what they need but we stay there. Then you begin to see or at this person needs this and you try to help them mature. But if you're moving ever two years all the church is getting is basic. You need to repent. You need to be baptized. There's one church you know at all and they get the basics and they never grow past that so they will pat themselves on the back and say okay. We're lu- standing for the truth here here here and here but they never grow past that they never grow past that to the point of spiritual maturity that paul and all the other battle. Riders will saying that. We've got to get to. And i saw that and i did not want to be a part of that. I did not want to create. And as i said i the first car gatien. I spent there about two and a half years mississippi We had our first son there. There was some problems there. I was part of the problem. Was established twenty twenty one years old. The car gatien there were sixty five. That didn't that didn't work out too. Well the second congregation Five and a half years was about their age and mature a little bit. Cover gatien again. That's another one of those issues that There was some more. And i really butted heads with this one particular guy in the. That's part of the reason. Why because i didn't see what he was doing with right should they. Should you know what for the sake of my family and everything else. I wanna find a place. And i'm going to stay for a while to get my children grown and everything like that. And that's what's happened and it's also giving me the opportunity to help. I hope the church to grow past year believer. Pink officials be bad times. There's in church Things on that. Everyone loves syndrome vital. But we've got to grow passionate. It's almost the reverse of what pause. Not paul the hebrew writer Says in chapter five verse twelve. Where he's saying you know you. You should be teachers But you need to first principles again but the the main thing that stands out in that scripture is you still own. Milk is right and you should be on solid food in just like. You're saying the congregation can't grow just like a baby can't grow similac a five year old shouldn't be on similac anymore amen amen. The congregation has no business deal. Hearing like you say repent confess baptize. There's so much more didn't try. Try the we. We have become stagnant and then we expect to try to convert other people win. The church is not converted themselves amen. Amen is just a constant stagnant motion over over in is just washed. Rinse repeat we have no way of and and there's no way of advancing night and we lose members let alone you momentum. When are you going to learn anything. New run and snacking. And that's that's what drove me in a direction. I mean we'll get into gop but Monetarily it's beneficial because there's no cost to you give you. Guys are given advanced studies on things that whether the congregation is immature. They don't have the time they don't have the men there sometimes Not able to present certain lessons as they should. And then you have people in my case where. I had a hectic schedule in sometimes. I couldn't attend wednesday classes demeaning classes. In kinda kinda worked and the one thing that made me want to grow. My learning is I don't know if you've heard of bread hair. he's okay. I can't for the life of me. I can't remember how came across him. But i saw one hits truth about origin. Seminars on you to and would he taught bloom s it. I'm never heard anything like this period. You would have to the coast thing. I could come up with. Is something on national geographic. When doing these things about the bible and yada yada yada and when i was a youngster always struggled with the fact that okay. I'm learning in school. Not so much a big bang theory but you're learning up the wiesel about dinosaurs In not necessarily came in. But how mean came so many million thousands of years after animals. Okay now go to sunday school. And i'm learning adam and eve noah's ark up to why zoo where do you marry the two because the truth is always typically somewhere in the middle of this case. The truth is always in the lord's word. But where do you combine. The two in the things he talked about is rarely discussed among certain majority of congregations. I can't speak for the entire united states. But i know in cleveland. That's not addressed. Because i've been at about three to four congregations my lifetime and it's not addressed so i said okay this bread here up guy i. I've only scratched surface of this bible. And that's what motivated me to seek a higher learning not to say that a minister can't do it such as yourself but you have tons of people to work with at your own congregation. Laugh time especially if the average minister. I'm speaking for cleveland begins. The average minister doesn't have men dedicated to work this type of lesson. Where else am i going to find. So i went on like two months. Search for where i can find it. And what's affordable so that led me your direction. We're glad you're there really all agree with you. A hundred percent intact. That's what we're losing arguably they wind up a hearing like you said here one thing in church they here. Maybe something and parents have a lot to do with this. Let's be honest about the sin fair in tragedy. Is that a lot of peers. Don't know how to answer these kind of questions And a give a you know. Peter three fifteen to given reason for the whole that it within them And let's just be honest. And i'm not gonna freak for brad harem but there is no milk ground for those two. There's nothing i mean between what the bible clearly says about creation and then what the darwin and his theory revolution says about how we got here. There's a little you'd have to make a choice. One way or the other and this is what is constantly being taught in our schools as well as especially in the college setting nowadays and again they're even becoming more militant about it point where you either accept this. Get out of my class and in the tragedy. Tragedy of it is that you know especially young person away from home for the very first time in these college settings they're going to feel this pressure And i want to be accepted So they give in and before it's all over with they had bought into At the very least agnostic them at the very most atheism and show. That's part of the reason why we are losing our youth. And what has the church done to help that. And to be honest we have done a lot because again it goes back to what i was saying. Let's just deal with the basics in. Let's not go past this. And that's where the problems coming and then we hands entire best figure that out. I do appreciate brad. The fact that he's honest enough to at least say this is why we're losing ring on people and and we got to spend some time and defending the fight learning how to defend the faith. You know ju three avenue concerning the common salvation. But i had around you to continuously for the fight which was once for all delivered for the shines so the bottom line is we have to be willing and able to understand that there's not going to be middle ground and we're in a war. I mean literally and again. Paul even talked about this. Shangri the and g says you know the weapons of our warfare or not carnal not guns and bulletin tanks and all that other stuff but it's by the word of god pulling down strongholds that satan are throwing up so we got to be able to know the battle will enough. We've got to be able to give this to our young people and that's again part of the reason why i've enjoyed teaching. So much of the george school approaching. i have taught some classes on christian evidences We do have some of the Instructors they are much better job at it than i ever could. So that's what. I let them do But it is something that we need to share. This is something we really need to get the people's hands and hearts and again brad. Harem focused press. That is one of the key ways to go at it and in there a lot of other there are a lot of other brethren in the brotherhood There's apologetic fresh and If you have the opportunity and all that but polishing the pulpit they have an entire block in polishing the pulpit every year this last year because cova There's an entire block of lessons that you can listen to that. Gives you the munition to fight and to me that something that need to the what we did right. After this kobe hit we did buy a Prescribe a subscription to polish in the pool. All of our members could listen to any sermon in the world. They won't own it all not just that but anything i mean. Just anything. Were women sherman's on their Servants for ill or some for deacon sermons perch sermons for everything so let me just encourage you to take us that unfurling convinced that we in the church need to bail ourselves them every opportunity every opportunity to use everything that we possibly can to build one another up to the point to where we will be able to again to contend earnestly for the fight was results from delivered for the saints. You're right and that's one of the things that we're trying to do with george clooney preaching is get into a whole lot more in depth studies than just The bottle clashes. That were part of a joke about this sometimes but When i went to one congregation for the very first time and i sat in their bible class. Before i even got started. Good as preacher all there and he had. They had a teacher there and had books in a gave him all adult members and their willard. Conscient- books a Conscience integrate job taking going through the bible and asking questions and you have to sit down and write these things down in your in your book. You know this stuck in my mind forever in. It's kinda like. I can't believe this but because i've never been a part of this. I never heard of this before. But when the kardashians that win in the i i said in the bible class and brother looked up. He said okay. We're on page Pointing one at willard conscience book. On the book of the fiji donald was nat- or not. but who will take question number. One intermediate look at one another. I find somebody. Somebody look up in nightside. Well i guess i will. Nobody else will. And he'd read the question he'd give his answer in the brother in the class would say any comments night rules. Take number two lock you you. You've got to be kidding me here and that's to me. That's that's what made me want to be. As i said part of the georgia school preaching whenever i was asked to teach for first time i said you know what get not all in every class i've ever taught there's next semester. I'm teaching book of luke. I've never taught that book just by itself so now is a whole nother. I'll opening experience for me. Nap taught mekki markan. Lou whenever talking about the synoptic gospels. Or i would teach the life of christ read. Cover all of them you know. Try to cover all of them. But but teaching the book of luke batch self this whole thing. And i'm excited about it because i can't wait to start teaching it And i guarantee is not going to be A number one who will take number two kind of deal. I don't ever want to do that. I don't know lender again. That are adults can't teach their children. No wonder again that our children grow up in the church and then we sit around scratching his trying to figure out why they're su. There's no sense of the way we do things. And in that respect we've got to be better at it a lot better at it because what. We've we've minimized church too. Not and i know. I don't want to brush stroke. We've men and masterson at the more than a social club. We know that we're doing good works. From time to time we helped the community and makes us feel good about ourselves but if we get backed into a corner to like you say content for that faith. It's almost like fighting. Mike tyson with both arms tied behind your back. You're not going to beat them anyway. But you can't even the you can't even fight off the shot. You can't even throw the first punch you can't think you're at. You're at their mercy. You have to be able to to grab a hold to our kids in. I love that guy. Even from old testament own has always used outsiders to assist in his work that to say this. I told the congregation. i had Just left a year ago Some years back about the if you've heard of it the ark encounter and the creation museum it's in southern ohio berry ed in northern kentucky. Brother till you have to go. This is a to museums. I think within fifteen miles. But they're created by ken ham and he has a website answers in genesis. He's kind of in the same line of brad up. The nasdaq shore quarry space. But he created in. I tell you the exact measurements of noah's ark in you walk in at being. You're absolutely mind blow because yes it's it's one thing to read it to see how god used a man to our contact this big huge and when you walk in there. Oh it's just by measurement. I'll forget the bout was actually in this place. I'm just transported in my mind back to nose day this thing is like three mansions. It puts to rest any eighties. Douse will wear. Can you get these. How can you fit as many animals. I've we can talk about it on paper and say this is the size of this size of that but to walk in that thing it added another jolt of faith. Me like ma'am let a marvelous guy. We sir we haven't had the opportunity is In dollar long gone up there with their kids And in fact we actually had our We've got a deacon in charge seniors. They actually took seniors up there not too long ago so it it was it was it is tremendous man the creation museum. They bridge that gap that. I'm talking about that. They have no problem talking about dinosaurs. They have everything that you go to your your art museums but they put it with biblical scripture. This is what noah would have done. This is how he lived in a put. A vivid picture of what he was about. Woody did the tools that he used the materials on on down the line. I'll send you the picture When we're done with they had this one Can't think of the right name. But they have one section. It is kind of made like lego blocks thing And it mimicked. The floods rising in a hanukkah mountain in it showed like men and animals trying to escape the flood and it just left a huge impression on me that what hopelessness areas without guy. I can't imagine you're climbing and climbing and climbing and this water isn't going anywhere and you know when when we're not doing what we're supposed to the lowest church. This is the same fate were looking at was climate. A he'll a mountain in san is eventually going to come. Get you in gobble up back to you. So you've been You've ministered throughout the three states in the south and as a married man. How did your wife take to that. Because most women are women of habit and they like to be settled in. How did she feel about bouncing around state to state state. We both were there young. I was nineteen when we got married and she was eighteen. God bless ya and we've been married forty years now grateful for that grateful god for that grateful for her love and her attention and But the thing was is her parents taught her and this is something to be said. Her parents told her that. When you get married this is it. This is lifetime commitment. I understood from scripture. That was a lifetime commitment. And that's what we did and you know we never know where we never know from one moment the next where where we're going to go onto being. I never during that. I would've been in mississippi and in some small rural car gatien I i never would've dreamed that. I would have been preaching that way it but i did and i'm grateful gone. Ford i learned a lot from it I never thought. I would be five years in place. Her log preachers with it out. But i but. I had during the stay in place as long as i could That was part of the two Never during that. I would only be on play for six months. You know what i'm trying to do. All that stuff comes in there but the beauty of the user. She knew her parents had instilled in her that this was for better for worse. She knew that we had to be able to provide for our family. Bless than three boys and That's We had we had to do whatever we had to do to take care of that One of the things that. I've always tried to do this again. Is a preacher of some congregations. Have these Contracts or whatever With thing were they promise. Much per year cya raising their salary under head one of those. I've never had a contract every place i've known we just kind of been verbal which means they could get the heart beaks or you know but then also doesn't leave a whole lot of room for making negotiations when it comes to salary and things like that So it's it's something to it's a good thing that's a bad thing but as the same time you know. Paul talked about the fact. I printed chapter nine that alliance worthy of his hire At the same time there were also dangerous and politics refers this and timothy that there would be those that we'd be trying to take advantage of the face to make myrtle i didn't want to do that So i've had wife. It's been very loving and very understanding of all of this and supported me every step of the way at time. She's you know giving us with kick in the pants when i needed it. And that's what's the beauty of great life. And she's been she'd been. I cannot ask for a better wife. And i'm grateful for her day so But she We've been improvised adapted overcome. And she's still hanging in your whitney. She sure is And again. I can't speak so highly of her because she's just she just go can in as i said before it all goes back to the fact. Her parents teaching her teacher her what she needed today and less should be the man that has in-laws that taught their donor what they should do. And you know actually reverse back to something So your mother and your father initially had issue with you Getting into the ministry is that something that Worked itself out full circle. How how does your mother. How does your parents eventually take to you. Become a minister. I guess they just pretty well figured out that that was will happen. They just finally accepted. said my dad was a. He was a rain. Colour sergeant in the turnaround or to structural ironworker I grew up on form. And i cherish those days cheers of days lord alonzo for i learned a lot Hard work on the necessity of bull. Your weight in a family. Aller land and I still straight up shop to believe and hold friendship very dear to me. I mom. I can't really explain how mom felt about inappropriate for the church and And dan never really talked to me about it either that much. It was just one of those deals that And what finally happened is they did wind up going to church am grateful for that. I want to say that it would have because of whatever influence fluids. I'm out of hand on them but It was still something that it was not on. It was discouraging to me. Get because you'd want them to make it the heavens. well i'm lead that in the hands of god obviously as reading something the other day you know when we get to judgment day is going to be a lot of surprises on both sides. You know what. I'm trying to say there and To me that's kind of the same thing that we're talking about right here right now i you know. Am i try not to judge whether person goes ahead it or not. That's not my job. There has been much my job. Saprissa gospel antique people was. What can you do beside fears. I don't bridgman heaven. And i don't put you into hell either. That's god's job it's not my at job. There is no way in the world that i will dead job. So you know They reconciled himself to I would have liked it better if they had Been better staunchest supporters of named. It is what it is so it's probably safe this with the nazarene faith the different yeah monday. It wasn't bad. Had grown up in the church mom had been as ring and actually been a methodist in the nazarene. And so you know it was mixed religiously mixed couple Of course they had had enough of the church teaching anything that he's couldn't go the other but then he was also arrange. There's something more be said about all that you know She tried to go to church. i remember when he was in vietnam. You know she and she made sure that we got church. She made she drove toward the end of her life. She wouldn't drive nothing. She just refused but she dared to take out that two or three miles to go to church. reporter So i guess since that the impact me Remember when rows baptized. Not you know had not talked to them about it. She was upset that i had been bedtime without somebody talking to her about it. I and i wonder sometimes if that was something else that she had always kept her mind. I know but it is what it is now. And i like to think as i said that they were supportive of me at the end in because also with saint thomas also was kinda hit strong and a lot of ways ahead a lot of my dad and me and expect that about him. Do some going to do. It knows that and so maybe they just reconciled themselves to okay interesting. so i'm i'm not letting you off the hook with the seventy five member congregation Because i'm interested in Guys did i look up to in how they handle certain conflicts within the body Because everything no matter how we try to paint. It isn't always sugary sweet. Within the four walls of the church What was that experience like. What kind of firestorm did you walk into. We got there in. Everybody seemed to be very excited. And i was excited in. It was a work that needed to grow on. This in georgia georgia is not a strong stronghold of churches of christ Not like an alabama. Where i grew up of you. Look at the tennessee alabama Some places mottaki church at very strong in other places. It's not georgia's not one of those places that is very strong But anyway we had gone down there. We had been very excited about the situation. Yours yours kind of what happened There was a millionaire. And i'm not gonna name names and michael to say the place because i don't wanna get anywhere close to that But make a long story short. This place give me just a second. I had a dog come visit me. And i didn't want to get started here with the dog so please forgive me play trick anyway. We'd gone there and everybody was very excited about as being there and we've got our kids enrolled in school But it didn't take very long Found that there was one man there that never attended any of the business meetings. There was no there So obviously they didn't have a leadership they needed to have. There was one man. The never attended the business meetings but he was an influential man in the community and He was a doctor That everybody seemed like in the community new And what he would do he would never attend meetings because he said his heart contained it but he would hear about a decision that was made in the business me and in turn around and do everything could define fight it and this had gone on for years. I mean literally years I don't know what there is about it. But i don't you know jud Would talk about three people that were you know he would talk about a fellow by the name of gaya she talk about fellow by the name of dimitrius but then would also talk about a fellow by the name of dr fish and atrophies was a one man god that he was gonna do churches way. You know anytime you're in the situation folks. Forget this is christ church. Jesus paid for it. Not me and the thing was is whatever decision. We tried to make trying to make some changes in the church to help to become what god wanted to be. well he fought it tooth and nail. He fought denial and whenever we talked to him about it. Then you've also gotta remember georgia as i said earlier did not have a lot of congregations in especially south georgia. So this is this was about you. Know a little bit south of macon between making in valdosta and make a long story short this guy. This people would travel thirty forty miles to come church there because this was the only church in the area someone sunday we decided in the business meeting that we would have a -gether we would have. We would have worship as normal. Time baba clashes hometown worship than we would have a meal. You know we. All all of us had battled month all kardashian's that ever been a part of that once a month within after that we we decided that we would have a two o'clock service. The way the folks that had to travel so far stay there. We can have a both of our services we would be accommodated to them and how Then they could go home and we'll be done for the day in a thought you know. That's that's a good idea at least by doing this. Were showing them that we appreciate him. Travelling the thirty forty fifty miles they had traveled come church brotherhood about it. He locked winning to apoplexy. Should that's scriptural brothers. Show me the bible where it says that you gotta meet it eleven twelve or excuse me ten eleven and then at six. I'm sorry you're not gonna find that there I do read in the bible where they would accept twirling. Were paul would preach till midnight and then they kept him up the rest of the night talking about the things that he had discussed and preached. So where did you say that. What what is your justification for it. And he said well we've always had success and if if somebody's traveling. This is one of the major highways going south Major interstates. he said if somebody was traveling and they come and stop by the church. Six o'clock and we're not here. We're missing we're. We're not giving them the opportunity to worship god national brother. Acid is only once a month and you know we don't have to have an entire worship service if the person you know if there's somebody here at the building and somebody comes in and if they won't They been on the road traveling. or whatever. and they won't protect communion when we can accommodate. No no no. You gotta have a full worship search numb in any what. I'm trying to say is you have this whole situation pop up there about the possibility of some visitor off a highway show stopping and that was the whole reason why he was opposed to it. Created such a problem. I finally said okay enough church. Let's meet together. And i didn't not business meeting. Let's all of us meet again and expressed was the decision was experts. Who was there told the church what had happened. And that brother was there at that time and It got heated. He got kind of upset about it and other same brother had a heart problem. Couldn't be part of the meeting. He got heated about it. And i looked animosity now. I said okay church this. We didn't have ship so george. This is your decision. what do you wanna do. You wanna meet in eight min meet again. Or what have you handle that. Everybody him said. Yeah let's do that. I said okay. He got they should. You're causing some is sold to be lost. That's in brother. I should from what. I'm seeing this congregation here. News people want to do this. There's nothing then scriptural about it. We have not done anything wrong. If you will be here at six o'clock and meet somebody you gotta key. You could be here. And i should rather say we walked out. It wasn't long after that he kept after me and it got to the point. Where he ru- he ran everybody off. Everybody didn't want to be a part of something and there's something to be said about this. Everybody didn't will be a part of something where there wasn't going to be patient harmony in the church and you see this. Is the reason why it went from seventy five down to if team and of course by that time and then the person putting the money at that point in time would be him. And i wasn't going to. I'm going to play his game. I we're gonna of the new when we'll do so immediately called around and you go to the handwriting on the wall and meeting call rail and It just will happen another kardashian that i had tried out before I had moved down. There were still. They had hired. Somebody distorted out to be a bad thing because they had hired a preacher that really mess things up and they said. Can you come up here and try. And said yeah. And that's how wound up being clarksdale. And now as i said the merger of two cargo being here for thirty one years s nasa very very segue so How you say you've been a south cop. Since nineteen ninety sit we moved there shimmer. Twenty nine december twenty nine nat eighty nine okay so it's so close to nineteen ninety. You know what i'm trying to say. It works out well seriously and we moved here in december twenty eighth or twenty yet twenty nine nineteen eighty nine going on thirty one years. Thank you know really the thanks. You need to go to the bread Thank god obviously on initially took amazon on my mouth but it takes takes a lot of forty two and a lot of time to develop a salon. Yeah develop a relationship with the people. You also gotta have a commitment again. Part of the commitment was. Because i didn't want to see to see my kids have to be moved again. There was that but his aunt watched them grow up at all. Then there was the commitment to the community and everything else expect. And so. That's debt to me is another key thing preachers. Need to go and stay as i said earlier. Bandera two years. You get to really know anybody real well into your Pre-training to make a commitment to go and stay unless there's things happen like as act. Sprinting down at that congregation that i was just just explaining to you about their things happens. That can be dealt with so you just gotta either go in and again you have to feed your family which would have to feed their family just like anybody else knows. Preachers have to feed their family. So definitely needs to be a better checks and balances will Somebody's congregations where you know. Just because in evangelist is presenting a new approach. If he's not doing anything unscripted cry or contrary it should be tried out for wow Because as my grandmother used to say i'm sure many grandmothers across his world is different ways to skin a cat yes and Just 'cause is rubbing you wrong in the moment maybe be it step friction that god is using to get something out of you and just 'cause making you uncomfortable in a moment who knows where that can take the congregation. I'm sure Three hebrew boys found no comfort in the idea of going into a furnace right but it was going to be forgotten. Glory and they weren't scared of it in there was a tremendous result to come from so there i have heard of congregations that are iron-fist ruled by elders. Nothing that rule thing is taken in stretched way too far and it hurts the congregation in the long run in like we we talked about before. It's just a vicious cycle so just in case anybody in georgia Here's this where exactly is south. Cobb give me a good location. We are on the west side of atlanta. Just off of that. Twenty in a little place is is not incorporated as called napleton. Right here in this series mailed him panel spring all stale all these suburbs. You met satan literally. That's what we are were part of suburb in atlanta. And so we're all at twenty Where one seven seven six. Play roden milton georgia nash. Unincorporated part right there. of of that Literally go half mile up the road. You actually go into stale georgia and that's actually a city there A small city small rubber city outside and then right up next to that as lacy springs on into douglas county But this is all. I could get into atlanta Within dependent on rush hour traffic I have stuck in stuck in traffic on the three or four hours in one occasion but anyway It just really depends on the time of day and everything like that. Okay now less before we get into. Georgia school preacher. I believe we might have had this conversation in the past cultural differences. If i'm stopped me. If i'm wrong i want to say when you first got to south cobb. You said this was a Majority caucasian congregation in it. May shift There's no getting around it especially with southern history Did you ever run across any issues. Where racial things have come into play it. Also which you have a mixed bag congregation that things that have taken place. In the last few years that have definitely rubbed the race roars Added some friction. How have those things affect your congregation in you being the leader. How do you navigate those waters. That's been great question Years ago. When i was in mississippi The area that i was living in at that point in time was a rural area Most of the black families were sharecroppers. You might say literally will forget that. I invited some to church. And they came and got my white breath and berry upset And what was so ironic about this and this was stood. This would have been in the nineties. Were the ninety okay. The first ninety. Okay now. i'm just. I'm just trying to give you some history about what i've what i've dealt with. I have black friends at school at high school. I went to college with black frames. So i never really of course grew up as a white man or boy so anyway. We don't sit down and talk about a lot of stuff Whenever i started inviting these black folks church one lady told me she said you don't understand. Tommy she said You just don't know these people i said. Yeah got foreign concern. I haven't Teaching the gospel Agitate couple of stories that i really Again trying to hurry up and get through this but but left. We will appear in in the area. That i'm in nail right now as Did a survey are actually little the. Us census the Powder springs area all of this whole area here in this part because again from atlanta going onto the wish going toward alabama We're in the neighborhood of depending on what particular area of the suburbs. You have anywhere you would have a fifty fifty split White and black also in particular area than i mean. Now there's a lot of hispanics we did have a hispanic congregation worshipping with point of time. we help help that But that's another story to talk about I looked up the us censorsh- and found that We are running in some of the areas around atlanta initiative. Where i'm talking about it's not fifty fifty But in some areas of seventy five twenty five black white. So the the demographics is shifting. Okay and So as an kind of knew this to come up because of this but in late especially of this year cova as well as the race Situation as well as the election Elder to elder here at south calm and one of the other elders. The other ilgar is as a black man that i have a very great deal. Love for all this stuff started with aubrey on down in Albany george floyd We we started having over major serious talks about this as a white man in a black man I'm trying to best understand. Okay because i I've been stopped by the policemen on. Never been as far as i felt like in my own life. I've never been felt like. I was threatened in any one of the situation. I spend a lot of time listening to a lot of different people Black people that share the and then then you had the kobe. Come up a lot of our ladies that attend church. There are nurses so this has become an issue where am asking wear mashed you know And again there's the undercurrent that suggests the idea that this is blown out of proportion that is not as it's not as big as the flu was One of the things somebody sending me the other day or so. You never hear about anybody having the fluids either cobra it or not you know so so the thing is that all of this has been politicized as far as absurd and and his created a division in the church. We already are divided. One person who said the demo- segregated place in america on sunday is the church. Okay the kingston and that's that's right and So we were trying to travel waters again. The is extremely tough right now. some of the folks who grew up in churches where the black preacher would have no problems whatsoever with talking about politics. We have white members that don't want to hear politics. Preach from the pulpit. Because nobody gonna tell me who to vote for. You see what. I'm trying to say i. It's it's so you've got a a an among. I'm looking at it again. Strictly for rumor from you've got a culture that the the blatant of black culture is. I see it as i perceive it okay. You know someone. i'm trying to say here take. Yeah so where they actually will try to address these political issues and things along that led was to do the same thing. It would be barred. They bought bar the door kate. Because people would feel that. You're trying to tell me to vote for you. Don't have that right to do that now. If that's not enough. As i said the kobe thing came in we then begin to start judging brother own whether or not you're massacre non-national you don't care about anybody you don't wear my ask but on the other side of the deal you know. Are you gonna live your life for the rest of your life in fear and you're going to mask on that. Now look at me. See you see me wearing glasses. My if i wear a mask. I can't see because it's always fog in the glaciers up So i am you know. I do wear masks. When i'm cutting my grandson. Because i had a lot of allergies you see satan. His use of jane who's this and hid has torn the church apart and trying to walk in the middle. You're going to be attacked from both sides and that's kind of what has happened as an ownership as a preacher In all of this whole situation I've tried to walk in the middle. I never will forget you're going to international baba college. There was a guy that taught me something. And i never have forgotten this. He was of those. That taught me a lot about the bible that you realize until opened and i love going to his clashes and he was talking about the time back in the nineteen fifties in the forties and fifties in the church. There was a division Were antietam antietam was. It's not scriptural for a church. To support an orphan's home and is letting can't take money out of the church treasury to pay a preacher. You can't take a church money. There was division about that in the nineteen fifties sixties and one of the things. This brother taught me. Was this issue. You can go too far to the right. You can go too far to the left in. He says what lens up happening a lot of times as a people too far to the right will wind up. Sometimes over correcting is kind of drama car. You got your side of the road to be on. Got the other side of the road. Okay when you're over correcting to try to get away from the ditch you can wind up in the ditch on the other side and he starts giving me names and i start going through there in heaven the opportunity to read some of these things. Some of these guys were saying and what they were saying back here in. They said years later over here on the last name on just went from one to the he says. Stay in the middle. Don't get near the ditches. And that's what i've always tried to live my life but being in the middle right now has been very challenging is almost impossible become all things to all men. Yeah an art part. It really is because you're going to get some opposite right side and on the left side. There's going to be shooting at you the whole time. And you're in the middle and small to happen I empathize and sympathize with What my brother in christ was telling me about the blacks and what they and what you have to face. Sometimes by the police. I was asked to speak on a to be a part of the Panel that was sponsored by a local black congregation here and And they got talking about defunding the place and things along this line and i was like you know they. They asked me what my opinion about it. What will you know what paul said room's thirteen. That is the job of the government to keep the peace said bottom line. Is you know this whole defunding. The police and again they said well. You just don't understand what was going on. You don't understand you know i was. I was hit pretty hard by that. Because i'm saying how can you on the police. Whenever bible was government the obligation to keep face and so maybe. I don't understand all the concepts about that about it from the viewpoint of black okay I feel uncomfortable saying blacks and whites because acts chapter seventeen. I think it was. God says you've made of one blood all me on the face of the earth. We all can from our amity. That's the bottom line is in the bottom line is is. Why should we allow politicians. Why should we allow all these. Other things to divide us when god says l. g. to be united in christ. You're my brother in christ. Your skin color doesn't matter to me because you're my brother in crashed and i'm gonna treat you like anybody else this my brother in christ. I'll do what. I can to reach anybody with the gospel and care about their skin color. I've been to mission trips to central america. I can speak the language. But i taught the gospel. The bottom line is were all one and we need to we. The church need to be the example right now which divided world. We really desperately need to do it. In that necessarily means we've got to get our own acting. I've definitely been one of those people that just go by the content of a person. And what i have seen especially in these last five or six years since these things have been bombarded on our tv screens is that in the religious community. And it's and the lower search. But i'm gonna broad stroke entire religious community. We have forgotten. God's word fits into this narrative we have. We have let our emotions and we're humans it's it meant it happens but like you said as being the light of the world we have forgotten that this thing that covers our bones takes a back seat to everything else even if even if it makes us uncomfortable even if that means not necessarily having a popular ping but the bible is littered with these issues. And we don't and we're not taking the time to properly look scripted way we should we nitpick bits and pieces fit whatever. Our personal agenda is in that moment. But you always gotta come back to the point of the flesh prophets nothing and there's always been cultural divides Skin tone divides. There's even points where just because they don't like a person in the moment. They found something wrong with the person that went up in. I think of moses support the real problem let alone with god problems with moses but they found a way to go to. What probably would i would say. Probably is the most sensitive thing to his wife a pearson with that and she had nothing to do with the problem first. Gentiles jews versi gypsum Sell its versus Said all these things you know just just is what it is you know. There's there's cultural divides within the black community. There's cultural device from black to white. You you you're never gonna run around this issue but the one thing is all have in common is okay. What does the bible say right. There's lack immunity. you know just like everything else. I mean. I've been there saying that but we don't talk about it that much so but you're right. It is all with his bible. Say and hands apply and how importantly how to apply it. In all of these situations i'm willing to enoug- wanting to dismiss and say we ought not to have any government because dodge set up government Are there abuse. there's abuses and everything there's abuses in religion there's abuses and You know police there's you know there's abuses in everything we live in sin. Cursed world is not going to get any better until lord comes again. And i will say through all of this. I've been praying for that having a whole lot. Quicker like like you say they're interesting acid because lord come quickly. I think i've fought reason why you see this. Some of the passage in new testament where they're asking for that but we haven't taken leap. Here's the problem. I have the tape. Well is in this. I'm aiming directly at the lowest church. We want to be we. We have this little quote we want to be like the first century. Church rut where the furthest thing from it in. Here's why i say that when you have issues like this. The first century church had to exist unite. Despite autre issues they had to be one. Because when you have people like niro that are burn christians on post just to get his point across and they still had to unite whether they liked each other's coach or not they had to provide for one another. They had to be on the run. All these different things. They had to go through but from jesus to paul their toe to live amongst government. You're not gonna like it. He is the persecution is coming. But don't leave my side. Don't don't you take the lead. Let me take the lead. Your reward isn't here on earth anyway. We need to just get over it. And what another thing. We're failing to realize in algis. I guess i'll just marginalized people Trump was trump. but as you have perfectly said god has set governments in place and where the alike love or indifferent about trump. who knows the row. he's being asked to play out in this In this continue writing of christianity were. I'm sure to jews. Didn't enjoy Nebuchadnezzar whatsoever but he served a purpose. God had him do what he did. And then he punished him on the backdrop. Try but he served a purpose. Who knows what. Trump's perp who knew who knows what obama's purpose was we'll figure that out by by the so it's it's become overwhelming. I've had to shut the news off to know more about trump eight. I don't want here too much more about trump support. It doesn't matter to me at this point. I know who my true leader is. Nothing comes between that. He's another man playing a role in that It needs to be respected. Do i enjoy everything about the police. Absolutely not i've been racially profiled many occasions but it is what it is. I know what i'm up against like you just like when christ said you shall endure. Persecution is just one of those things. I don't like it i don't love it. It makes me angry. But when i can look back at the true first century church and what they had to go through it and and the the unsung heroes of the In hebrews may talk about those of the faith. We don't look at the ones in the cave. We look at the roads that the bowels tells the story about. But will you ride the one with the capital names. But now he found a way to put these no name people in a cave and he hold them of the highest sneak in running for life dry. When person said that the blood of the martyrs to see the church. I am not a prom. The best thing that could ever happen to church retinue. She goes through some persecution. Because then you're going to separate the wheat from the chaff. And those that are they are willing to pay whatever the pressure going to be paid. See you goats. Is it so. I am not a providence. I said see coming. We better get ourselves ray. That's all i've got say because it's easy sitting here in this free country talking about freedom of religion in talking about we do it the way we want to. But it's very possible the next few years that's willing to change then what we said we're going to be on and that's something that i've been getting a lot of prayer and a lot of thought about and and goes was back to what we talked about at the very beginning. We need to help the church to get to that point. Where if it comes will pay the price but we have to realize that death is not the worst than world there is. There is an off. Try not to let it bother me too much. But i've had issues with congregations that the doors close. And i even understood understood from humanity part of it. I really blew up the nation whereas that okay. Let's step back for a month to try to figure out what's the best course of action. But i know that. There's congregations in cleveland and it robes me wrong they're preaching The right way to worship distant at third but they've kept the doors close in like you said there was worst that can happen and again. That's us putting our humanity in front of god if we okay we're reward. Paul was looking forward to get his head chopped off and the newer his to reward is in. It makes no sense to me. But at this point we know what social distancing is. We like you said mask. When was the excuse and it truly is showing the wheat from the shaft sheep from the goats because at no point should we let our fear. Keep us from doing what the lord has told us to do. Entrenched weather state has told you so whatever the case may be again. There's different ways to skin this cat you can if you're a congregation that has the proper leadership who's to say that the leadership can't get together and put out outline. This is what we're going to talk about for the month. Now you go to the you. Hold a mini services at your house for ten people. You holds at your ten. But we're all on the same core because church started in houses anyway so to just completely wipe it out. I mean i. I have to have some mercy. My heart in pray for those congregations that have done such a thing and i know it's not easy easier said than done but we have to rely and trust in god try period thing. We had to make that decision. We were alphabet a month but we never did stop we. Zoom people worshipping zoomed again. It wasn't the same thing as the personal interaction but it was. We were worshipping We went back That started sunday service in started back with the bible class sunday evening. We got all of that going on right now. we must unite. We weren't able to get people back We had four five so we found that more people would come on firms. We're doing everything only that oems in but we're still doing it. We're still teaching the elders. Both of us are teaching In in that respect so at least they're being taught and they can come back on sunday. So yeah that that that was. I'll be honest with you. Choose as as leader never. During the hundred years we would be negative gun. Never never never. Never so own a lighter note. Tell the people about georgia school of preaching and biblical studies. How was that birthed. There was a vision of a man here at piedmont road church of christ to develop the members of the church. Get into deeper. Deeper bible studies college level. Bible studies Rather than just like. I said the bible clashes that we often understand today and get them to the point to where they could be used in other congregations this teachers as a preacher. Lindell wetland this idea. This plan was back in the early nineteen nineties earlier. Then we actually started working the south. I heard about it the pitcher that was here before the increase started teaching there and i m he left. Somebody asked me to teach classes ya. I'll be more than happy to In fact that the guy. that's the main director. David decker asked me to teach classes to be happy to cover for him one time and he was kind of impressed and so he should. You know what we need to get you to teach your all ten well. I'd love to do that and so you just don't know how to say no well. Yeah there's nothing. I love better than teach. God's work that she did any idea to do it. And so i got into it. I have said through a lot of courses in lots of different colleges But learning to give tach new learning to I'd rather teach without having to give the test and everything. But i know a heck to try to figure out. I had to give great out there. So you did. They get it or not. But i've been doing it now for probably going on fourteen years And i love her minute of it a now. The director at the marietta campus On the one. That says the schedule for that. I am the one the talk to the teachers that teaches it on goes in there. Make sure they're doing the job they're supposed to be doing. I've gotten we've got good men teaching older men that have been picture for a long time. men that have been through the battles That's part of the two and you see this another thing that again. Whenever you've been preaching and teaching that long you could share with them. What you've been through you to share with people which struggled with and you share okay. This passage is talking about this. This is how was handled. Is it right is it wrong. It all depends on the situation. But you know what i'm trying to say. It gives us the opportunity to speak in such a way as to help them understand. Every churches will be different every church trouble but the main goal has been trying to build the church if we could get every member into deeper battle. Study where they're able to teach others and that. But jesus said that when he says that you may be able to teach policy that you may be able to teach others. Also saudi losers. They teach and they teach them not in that way. There's no chance of of the faith being again. I believe god's gonna take care of this misunderstanding but there's no chance of the faith being cast aside. We know it because we keep on teaching it teaching it eating teaching teaching it. That's what needs to happen. And so i love to be part of it ever since i've had the opportunity to be the director there. It seems like we've grown phenomenally in growth one of the things that we started to do right after that is not a lot of this was going on at the georgia school promote row. Church christ in they actually wanted people there and there's something to be said about that again. It's just like the church assembly. Whenever you got people there there's something there there's that camaraderie there But then we begin to realize you know about that. A lot of other colleges are a lot of college stargell into this online teaching job. Did something destination found out a little bit about starting to say okay. Let's offer that way too. So we did. We have had the opportunity I had an opportunity about two or three years ago where there was a school out in texas. They were having trouble getting teachers at the time. And so what we did use zoom and they actually projected it on a big television. Should colonel sonali teaching there in georgia. But i was teaching then they were doing it at the same clash in texas at the same time the opportunity to listen what they had to say and i can make incumbents that the needed to make them as well as the people there is so that turned into a great great blessing is turned into a great blessing through this coded. Because again when you start talking about how churches star klenge down. There was the possibility to school closing down. I kicked it back about a week or so that i wanted to see what was going to happen whether or not. We won't be able to meet whether or not they was going to be a governmental shutdown. Or something you know like in california some of these other places So that's the reason why we went from eighteen week course to a fifteen week course but two and a half hours. Cut down the correspond but that gives us more opportunity to do more teaching. So that's We have graduated. I want to say close to tori. i'm thinking of it leashed At least five guys. That are preachers now. Why tremendous because of the fact that they'd come through this in georgia approaching will never increased Wanted to get the no more so he went on to a couple of these other colleges sharing with you earlier before probably weeded again. The podcast Talking about the ideal of them being Further trained to be better preachers We still have members of the church come and is always one of the things i always love is teaching was They sat in bible classes all their lives whenever they come here and we give tests and make them write papers and make them study on their own. I love to see their eyes light up. Wow i never realized this. Wow i never thought. I never i read through it. And how do you get. All of that. Out of their tall study is called putting yourself into it and dash been a great asset And we again. We've had people we actually had as i said a place out in texas We had some people in india taking it. They actually could not watch it at time because the timeframe is so much different than it would be like our six o'clock there. Here are six thirty here in the evening would be twelve o'clock in the morning there. You know but they turned around and they would go to youtube where we have all this stuff posted. They would show it to their congregations. Estermann you see. This is another tool. God has given us out for us and it has deadly. Come in handy since open and I just rejoiced that. I haven't had opportunity to be a part of it and I thank god forbid like you and all others that have gone through it and continuing to go through it and let me just in. Continue to encourage others. Anybody disinterested predator hearing this podcast. You can go to gs. Oh p online dot org. We have Across the top you have what catalogue you have all these different links if you go to campuses were campuses. Hit the myriad campus and You will find the registration seat of what we're offering this next semester. One encourage anybody that wants to be part of that Please do so you go across the top. The emissions stood registration. And there's a ten long and read our catalog and she what it is that we require We did go from Quarters two semesters because we're trying to make everything If somebody wants to continue their studies in in some of the colleges in sociology with churches. Christ you can go there and some of these Courses will transfer. There's no tuition. It's just your time your effort your energy and you buying the books that are served from courses and So please feel free to talk. Contact me about it and We'll be more than happy to answer any way we can knocked knocked out to park at that. No perfect way to end so again folks. This is My teacher and mentor at probably need to stay in touch a little bit more Definitely will be getting back into gop if again. You wonder when gop is at georgia school biblical. I'm sorry georgia school of preaching and biblical studies. this is again my brother. My mentor Someone have deep respect for his brother. 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ACS (Part 2): Jay Mohr, Mark Geragos, and Dave Mason

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He has great like he's you know, his face looks like a ransom note lines ever. He says wrestling's the best I would say wrestling jujitsu. But if he says wrestling and say wrestling too. So our guys talking about going in the rarely United pally. You have options. Yeah. It's hard. It's hard to get guys. Like just to cross face with malice because they never been punched in the nose and never punched anybody in the nose, right? Every hills. I before this. And then I was at Crespi Carmelite. I hit all the white guys. Not in fight school, Crespi down to crossroads next. Sure. But I've done it Santa Ana, my buddy, Scott lab hall of fame coach coaches down there. I went from coaching kids that have never been in a fight and wrestling rooms, and I'm like, no, this is a fight. Like, I get to your head to go to Santa Ana actual little brothers of gang members. That are all about the fight. I'm like, that's cool. And all, but why don't we learn a wrestle a little bit, right? 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Case I was watching SNL last weekend, and they had hipster Oscar guy named Jules who came on there in the news. And I was like I invented an invented character just rented a persona a persona call. You are Casuals dad to twenty is guy was named Joel. But anyway, sorry over we serve dog, I'm alternative lifestyle through dog. That's how's it going excited about the Oscars? Wincing many beaches. I like, you know, the beak black denominated boy. Oh, you do. Well, there's be a few. I mean, did you watch Black Panther? No dog show, the oh, the one we just had until I came. Oh, but union. No Hewlett keys. The you've really cut off the ring on me with turnip lifestyle droopy, you're a fan. I love it. He's more of a counterpunching impressionist. Now. I know you do Tony. I know you do Tony Bennett the coach booth. There is a Tony Bennett brandishing. Hey, you look like you're in shape. Brownlow to get your is back on the field. That was I'm gonna get better Kroll. I'm gonna rally here. We'll have play. We'll play the actual Tony Bennett drop who here's a man. Find a Lear person punisher offering in the Oscar versus movie quality department. Sandra? Bullock blindside. At least Boyce above average move its way say okay movie. I don't. Really? Stop taught much. I'm saying Corolla. Yes. I don't know what you just said. I'm saying we're trying to come up with movies that were not good or not Oscar caliber, let's say not good movies ought to be a jerk, but agree with that. But that that an example that acted their assets back off in that movie. How about how about your boy Paul Newman winning for the color of money, which was a marginal movie, but it was a career, you know, kind of his. Now, we should get the way so native Ryan. A woman you hack. So wait, we have Tony. Brian. You move it. Tony Bennett in Virginia concern, you know, the big knock on Tony Bennett. Much like Shawn Miller at Zona can't get over the hump. Can't get this team to the final four. Now this losing to a sixteen seed how does phony venit shake this off your stink off of the main. Is it any? Because this is going to follow Tony Bennett around. And no follows me around as my good word, Mike good, reputation and those recruits come out to woodwork play cavalier. Keep. What can we get a rebound? Curses too much others Pacino the coach Luke Walton anymore. My way or the highway Catania's Paul well, cope, whatever you are want is people who. I was watching all star game over the weekend. That's great Greek free. All right. Yeah. You know, how do you afford turnovers? Nobody's playing defense. You must be driven off your big tick to I don't know how it works. How do you pronounce that guy's name? Even john. I'm not even going to try to try Jonah Sultan. It's the next saleable. That's degree. But you can't go the other way. Now, do you? Coach Al Pacino, Lonzo ball show me your alive person. Emotion. Something you want something from the lions smile say fuck you coach just stat walking around one of what all the time. Do you? Do you want Rondo looks like oil? Rhonda the John Rondo? Yeah. That's not his real name. Real name is poll. Rajon Paul really, I don't make it up out. I didn't know you you made it fourteen points is a there is an MA fight over the weekend. And there's a guy named like. Chad feely and his nickname was touchy. So weird. That's not a good nickname. Now. Every once in a while, there's one guy actually bad for. Touchy. There's one guy's name brand because my bad, Brad. But when you mean bad unskilled mean guy Adrian Brodie was like the problem or something? Right. But but I lost lady nails. You can't do touchy feely any. Although he could reach out and touch you in the face with a stiffness. Yeah. I swear to God or win it guy fought over the weekend name feely, and his nickname is touchy which once again, it's sort of it's one of those impulses where you go. And then you gotta stop, you know, deeper in the room that didn't have the oh, I got him says he experienced like touchy just was universal old. No, no, no, no, no all in your body. Now, big you're out. Did he win? I you can have to. We'll all these bad and unclever even deeper level of bad. Is you don't want to be touchy feely as a fighter right people looking. So that's not the right emotion. You're trying to get across he fought over the weekend. I'm pretty sure last name was feely, and I don't fairly. Fighter. I. With that guy. We're selling Mike, Raia, Tracy Morgan gay, yet, a movie was in theaters, still nickname, your sister's pregnant, that's my fight nickname out of your sprang sister is pregnant Morgan got my sister precaution. I regulate all share. Your sister is pregnant you Markle wargin. Yeah. Touchy, feely got knocked out. What would Christopher walk ins boxing nickname zone? Like touches puzzle room emporium of what's happening. Who knows what's going on here? I thought I was a predator prey. Once I do Pacino, we believe is it on voice. Well, speaking to Pacino us where to we were down at the. God, we'll turn theater, and we're down in the basement the green room we're sitting around and you just call Al Pacino, and he just picked up the phone. He just went old on and you just dial this number Algis picked up the phone, right? It's a great story. But the sad part of the story is the only reason I did it was to impress. You. I was impressed. Not like, you think you're something checked is like I just want him to like me. So I'm on a Bill with you. I could do that with Zachary Levi. But I don't think I could do that with Al Pacino like I might be able to call and get them to pick up the phone, but I don't I don't have Al Pacino esque friends. That's lister. Does he? Like when you do voice. What about for? That's not you you call me. But it was the middle of the night. So I didn't pick up. What what did you? I think you'd get some weird street cred from having force Whitaker's good friend years, something great. I was driving to wrestlers to wrestling tournament. And sang Gabriel. Give course traffic at seven AM Saturday on the way to San Gabriel. People are just going all those jobs. All right, Brian relaxed. I'm scratching keep going, and I q called me, and it was on bluetooth. And I have two brothers ball a brother and a half behind me. And I was like, I don't even know if they're old enough to register this, and they played it cool. They played no reaction. Why was ice cube calling? I called him about doing more stories podcast. And he was busy. I go. Just give me just calling me back. And I said, I love you. And then not expect him say, I love you back. I hung up image. Hung up and the one in the back Meeks goes you just hung up on ice cream. I I q quietly say that the most people don't know it is producing is licensing is making films. I mean, he is out getting it done. It's not just like oh, Sidney lamented ours in one of these movies every year his companies out just churning. What's the name of this company? I can figure that out. But I don't want to your figure that out. I went feely the m agai when you're the best boxing name. I heard ever now. Hold on. I do. But max patta just tell me what you're doing now. Because later on I'm going to give angry guy named Brad touchy. We're we're looking we're touchy feely boxer touchy feeling boxing box attention show where you work. Good. God you're in a glass booth facing the guy, we say boxing, AJ feely kicker for the eagles snot JBC's show US's while you were out. Do you want to know? Geeta found ice cubes production. Why why are you putting in boxing? I thought you're talking about boxing. No watching a US when he said UFC enough. What he meant was WBO belt. I guys talking to on all different. All right. Well, tell. All the pack. Can't find the guy. Hanukkah did. He winless Reagan Andrei, touchy feely, f I l I is is last name the brother, I think he I think he won. David just like an underwear model one. Okay. Well, there you go. He's a pretty. That's Manos the piano, man. That's you want those hands. A lot of. Hammer ice cubes production house cube vision, Q vision. All right. Why Harn Shoebridge? Alex thirty one Colorado, you serve the guy probably weighed about what one forty five forty seven or six or seven probably fun. Forty five. I watched a fight. I thought that. That's how we get down. Alex, thirty one. You've got a question for big Matt Scott at all who. The big mamas in studio and really curious because I'm planning on proposing the my girlfriend, and I really like some opinions from big mom on the best way to do it. Alex before opinion, casual question in Colorado. Yeah. No, she's not you. She got babies. Big, mama. Sometimes. Adam sometimes people get. Press Gina's breasts or your big lesson. You out over them blesses sometime people get married when they're not pregnant because they will. Yeah. Then they wait. Oh after they're married. Why would I have children? Will they don't do it by mistake, they planet it? But that's crazy. So at Alex. Right. A guy at the triplets, Georgia champions apnea Chapman draw draw right? Dan, my daughter, asthma, which was still on the hell Campbell. We have held the Elden Campbell. How? Know from the of okay. But an Adam Garrone is champion still on house arrest there is that no Tatton is. Oh, other champ. Yeah. Is not being George ace. Not the champion. I was mentioning. No. But the other Chimaera Chimaera out at all he s. How's west? But you know, it's okay for him. He keep it on his studies. Born in education, get married before you head to champions. Byron Scott mornings. Oh, you were house several grade married. Byron Scott g the not I'm about. So. Alex. Oh. As not pregnant, she is not pregnant, I'm trying to figure out a romantic way to propose to her. She's a wonderful woman. You know? Should I go to the top of a mountain? Big, mama. What's what's a really romantic way for me to propose? Well, you get caught top of the mountain because they're gonna find out body figure out Chad to drag hurry today. Gonna be doing on top of mountain. Lake you do in ocean. Yeah. Make whole so she sakes because people forget to make the whole body physical air comes back up the surface. No proposing murder. Oh. You know what I would do? I would have lobster red. Panic, wet lops. Thomas though, he does. Yeah. He's. Olive garden because you always family garden is basically the white person's version of never been inside. That's what I'm saying. It's the white trash version. Alley from saying he may be a little less Red Lobster and a little more olive garden. But you know, what Adam crawl? Yeah. When he's in what's your name, Alex and Colorado on this cassia, she's from Russia. Oh, she. Covers the country legally and no nothing like that from a catalog or anything. No, certainly not. This is trying to clarify for big move at the long swim for Anna Kournikova. What's? The. Star. Like see you on that. We saw. Yeah. That's right. Who mentioned cheese? Sure. Yeah. How would you approach? Yeah. You know, people forget out of crawling, Alex, Colorado that it's default, and your heart counts, your the. Say what's in your heart? The thought. Sorry mound. But you like half ass. They, you know, whatever. The mountain. You go to rent lapsed. Cheddar bay biscuits. I appreciate it. Do. Can you in Colorado climb this jaw enjoy those? Yeah. Like when I look at the cores label. Oh, yeah. They're just look at the label the Rodman's turn blue blue when it's. Final things you thinking about. SEO girl. Get married you without prior to baby's hair legally. Well. Well, we're going to have the kids after we get married. Atta made that clear you big mama space. Shoot this house code it. Well. What are you thinking about asking us to see you to marry you? She's a lovely girl. Like to spend the rest of my life with her. Defensive like where are you thinking? What are you final three options to same honest us to see this year? Less elegant will you marry me? Where? Thinking about that say. The connection. I was thinking about the amount. And I thought it was a nice do. She likes the hike and she likes to see me miserable and miserable and hiking. So. Route at a food the root the butt of the bud. Swear abou- flower, the ecommerce rock and roll why would you marry a girl that likes to see you miserable? Are you a cold? She's a very smart sweet wonderful woman. Joe miserable. She happy that make us more. She was kidding. I think just kidding all so much. Relationship. Adam Corolla demand that same dawned on your marriage tonight in China now, the toddler that bothers you ever get. You would they take? Yeah. Barry white was doing commercial for Paul Quinn college where we are. Brown tournament loan of call great. Yeah. Fantastic. Alex. We wish you all the past gone. That's my bike by his goal. If God go with big, mama. Thank you as men. Can't wait for the comedy special. Thank you comedy. I do I do. I did my first special. And the saying Anise singer, Adam LeVine too much about it other atom. Yeah, special. Yeah. I'm sorry. Flag. Fly zip resolving. Mark era. This is going to call in. Probably out of a jam Mexican heroin. And Randy me, Laura, Linney time and Costa Rica? Linney? We took a, you know, picking cable we tried to make it into paddleboard. But then it really flow though with people still Adam. Wow. The picnic tables the people out of there. Get up off. He gets into a whole table in the ocean hope to hold you. Yeah. No. I get it. I gotta thank Kahn and all about. Oh. Yeah. Ever since the ruby episode. Yeah. Problem. She was like seventy nine years old. Yeah. I kind of like chicks too. The. Derailed? Your brain of. Day was in Jerry Maguire. That's right. What's an EMMY thumb socialist, not Taco Bell material and best selling book the elect the best selling book? And so obviously, Mark Garriga's and camper, Nick, they settled with the NFL. And I've I've been thinking about this for all weekend. I literally had dreams that I talked to Mark arrogance because they didn't settle for twenty million bucks. They settled north of that. I he twenty million gotta tell us. But I don't think it's a penny under sixty estimating sixty to eighty. Yeah. Breaks my heart though, for real it's not a win for him. Guys. Got so much football left in dollar for cabernet to win for care. And I'll Pacino take him apart the thing. That's funny is. August getting back to cube. Well, how much of that does he split with Eric Rideau? I got I don't know. Collective here's the whole thing. You're bringing up is skew calling you. When I Mike August's sent Email the Garriga's with my name on it or whatever. And he said, hey, man, how much did you get and Mark just sent back a video of ice cubes good day or having a real good day? Or today was a good day. A real good day. Have real good day. Today was a good day. Sent back today is I saw the Fred Rogers. I talked doc over the weekend as well. Something make money. So it's a beautiful day in the neighborhood. He sent back just the the good day. So that's the weird sort of cosmic ice cube. Whatever that we're just that sent to me and Mike he didn't I? He's just sent that to you. If he sent you that I don't know if you could stretch that out longer if you try I actually wrestling with it. I thought better. No, I trying to think of today was a good day or had a real good day or. Yeah, they have to use your k- that's impossible thing. He pulled off. I don't think people realize it is going to be at the same time. As me he's calling in and make sure that number in five minutes because you have to prove damages. You have to prove that his talent level isn't what the eye test of now now. No, no, no, all all he has to is deposed Jerry Jones in depose Roger Goodell in depose, the guy who owns Seattle Seahawks and depose all these guys and have them say a bunch of stupid stuff that doesn't really jive with whatever the other guy said, and that's all he needs. He doesn't need to prove capper. Knicks more towns. Than this guy. Or that guy? He needs to prove that the guy in Seattle was on his yacht. When he sent an X two. So on saying we need to get on the same page. Here's a league. This is going to hurt the brand. Once he has that then the checkbook comes out of the NFL doesn't want to have. Combat right proving collusion's almost impossible in a court of law, probably difficult, and but but getting damages you have to put a dollar like dollars. Hey, whatever, I slipped and broke my hip like the damages are what it cost to get my x rays and give a hip fixed. But when it's like that person hurt my feelings or that person kept me out of work. I guess with him because it's his salary. No. We live in a world where? If you talk to Mark arrogance about some guy who worked at third shift at a factory and was coming home to his house and put coins and LAPD shot him dead on his lawn for no reason, he'll go that guy that's about three hundred seventy five thousand bucks, maybe four hundred K. And then if you talk about have bomb. Blondes murder sideline. Reporter who got film through a people and they're going to sue Holiday Inn. That's good for thirty million bucks. That's that's how we work things. I don't know why. That's how murder you're under half mil peaking six. We are senators and a half. That's how it works that that's our society works. It's not it's not what happened. It's how much money do the people have for your suing. That's how we how we base it. Could you ask them for me? So I don't but in real. But in ski like how how do you get you into prove you have to set a precedent because there is no precedent case. How'd you get a judge to agree to that number? Like, do you have to you? Don't think do we don't get a judge the NFL said, here's a bunch of money, please. Oh, you don't want. Yeah. Okay. Thank four speak. I'd have a lot of answers. No, you have an arbitrator, and they settle look the NFL that went under the radar like impossibly to then felt did not want to deal with this mass and the headlines, and whatever, and it's like Ray rice, you get next the the richest real the. If you're dealing with the richest entity on the planet. That's the people you Gail with who doesn't want to deal with you and the headlines and bad for business. And so some point they cut you check so goes away. Now, they have disclosure thing where nobody can say not both sides. Don't want to disclose what that check is. Because you'd be outraged at both. If he found out what? Cec was but I live in Garriga says neighborhood, and I was walking down the street passing his house, and I was talking to Dr drew on the phone just went dropping off a goal. Stop. We're in. We're in the wrong business. Let me tell you about lifelock. And then I'll tell you. We'll talk to Garriga says well taxis and scammers are back. Never give your tax documents to prepare. Tell your verified their credibility lot of fraud out there file early and watch out for emails personality. I are as look these guys are thieves and thieves are lazy. They don't wanna work. They'd rather steal your identity and rip you off that way. 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And if Mark calls in Italy, breaking news, nothing on the Silvestre big monkey McBain, the fixture of shabby from this star bellies snatches that was what I gave an internal knowing what use needed. Break. All those crazy. Trump tweets, gene, grad trouble. Gina gina. The news with Gina grad. Well, let's start with Mark. So it'll be a nice smooth transition when he calls deadline dot com reports that Mark eras who held the cabinet case that was confidentially settled for what some estimated as I said could be as much as sixty to eighty million told CNN his client absolutely wants to play. The Panthers signed cabinets fellow collusion case partner. Eric read with three year contract recently after picking them up four games into last season. The Panthers have a liberal owner and maybe without a resident quarterback Cam Newton who just had shoulder surgery late January. So that's a possibility for cabernet. Here's a clip of Mark talking to CNN's Ana Cabrera about who else might wanna pick up calling. I think the issue was hijacked by the president. I think that people kind of cowered in the face of that. And I think ultimately at the end of the day. There was a brave voice. Brave two or three voices in various spots that said no America's better than this. And we're going to we're going to do the right thing. I think you're going to see a make the bull prediction can save the tape. I think you're gonna see the next two weeks that somebody's going to step up. Some he's going to do the right thing. You want me to predict too? I will tell you besides the Panthers. It would not surprise me if Bob Kraft make say move. Yeah. I would that would not surprise me. And it would not surprise me if his former coach. Test. Your knowledge is also makes I don't know that one out the. Went out the top of my head. And I got a wrap it from here. Thank you. Goes. It's funny. When Arbel when Troy Patricia right, Beverly when you're going to Patricia interview, you know, it's funny back before you're sitting down with the Mark arrogance hit you're doing the interview on CNN or ESPN or whatever. And it's sometimes the sound guy comes up and starts click on stuff if you're interviewing Mark you can just pass on the live Mike for the person interviewing him. And if you're doing that with me you can pass on the guests being bikes. You literally just go. He just say goes that'll be interesting. And then now the other part is. Camper. Nick is now sort of independently wealthy one could one could do on that. So more than we think blacks coming from, you know, bad critics, right, right? Blue eyed guy like you, absolutely. He doesn't. So now he doesn't have to do it financially for Sherry probably ain't never had to deal. But I'm saying he had a Nike spot Bubba. But he really doesn't have to do it now. And it's a dangerous game. I'll lay any odds on him. Never play. Again. It's not gonna buy who's thority. Here's the here's the craziest. Whatever collusion may have existed. The owners can the same page whatever whatever may have happened to Madonna is silly. Because every team it's reasonable to assume individually, they wouldn't want that circus. Imagine the day the conference the Redskins son, Colin Kaepernick the media frenzy. They would just say can they worried about me Redskins a friends? ESPN would melt the Twitter would go crazy if you win games? Nobody cares. But also only a bad team would sign him. Well, that's what I'm saying. Page. Your team is down a quarterback like the Panthers are on a bad team. And I think Cam Newton is going to be completely healthy. But you know, January shoulder surgery should certainly mean August health. I hope it's okay. It's right armor, throwing I agree with Brian. This is not a Bella check situation because he doesn't like that. But if you're team that was horrible. And you're looking for something Redskins. They who were on the same one point Alex Smith, and Colin Kabri, Alex Smith mobile enough for his age is easy mobile. You can go to the pocketing move certainly could play for the Redskins. But would they ever want that circus in the middle of the season? I Well, I I don't know about the middle of the season because they could I don't know about the nine. I don't know. I don't know if we're in a post Kardashian era where I don't know if there's any circuses any more than anyone take it one step further. Garriga's did come on this show two years ago. What? Ever was and said within ten days call the cabinet will be on an NFL team. And so I think he's he's grinding the organ a little bit. And never know when he's been drinking. Bend, the elbow v. Call in Warwick. Right. Sorry last year that he played. He had sickening touchdowns and four interceptions crap about amounts. That's it. He's a talented, dude. Yes. All right. It's like, well, it's just not the same thing. They said about Ray rice because he had eight hundred or seven hundred yards rushing when he punched out his all eighty it's like if you knock out your wife, I'm gonna get your job doing too good either. It's like the worst year of your life. If you behave that way 'cause raise a good guy. He is a good guy. I do know like any said, I'll work, and I'll give all my checks the women's charities. You don't even have to pay me. It's my passion. Well, you know running backs they get older he's twenty eight and he likes twelve hundred twelve hundred twelve hundred eight hundred he's done is he the league that way, you know. It's funny. He so out of the league doesn't work there anymore. I'd like to get Ray rice together with the professor who is like attending a conference in San Francisco or something. And it's the elevator was going down. He went to eighth floor. Ladies lingerie. And then that bitch dropped the dime on him. And then he got fired from his job. I like those to end up on the same bench. Lost somewhere and go. What happened? You had. Elevator long about it. You do to get fired. The tape right? Not well lady out. What you do? I made it show about. Ladies lingerie car town. Yes. Let me say place. Oh, sorry. I know I'm finishing. My thought fortune. You your show? But I know you can't keep going while. I'm going stop for second. Just wanna finish. When a lifelong problem now, John and you're right. You're right. I got fired for saying this floor women's hosiery or. Lingerie making a Bugs Bunny cartoon show. She felt threatened in the elevator. Ned LeBow professor political theory at King's College in London that so I've just saying, you know, my my fantasies is called it's called the bus. Stop bench. Just get to people fired both fire in an elevator basically for activity unbecoming in an elevator. One guy balled up his fist and crush orbital socket of his girl the other guy made it bugs money out. They're both. They're both out persona non grata eclipse right same bust opposite realtor. All right. Well, Simona Sherani professor of women's and gender. Studies at Merican Massachusetts. Oh, it's such a combination of coups. God this people got to be they have to be miserable. Don't you have to have a miserable life. If that's what you do seem. So fifty year old woman has made a Bugs Bunny cartoon and now. Sternly worded Email to to. You said that like the great gazoo. You know that I think that's when the Flintstones jump the shark at an alien buddy who flew around. But first Barney a kangaroo. If you had a pet the ratings go up laugh track on a cartoon. All right. Well, jussie smollet is no longer considered a victim in his assault case. According to Chicago police spokesperson police said the trajectory of the investigation shifted after they questioned to Nigerian brothers who are released from custody Friday night without charges. TMZ says the brothers who worked as extras on empire completely cooperated with authorities. And apparently claimed they were paid thirty five hundred bucks to stage the attack each. Jury's out. Now, remember to whack now. Police wanna follow up interview with the empire star before grand jury hears. The case early next week jussie will most likely face questions as evidence reportedly mounts against him. Now, according to quote, at least one of the brothers turned over his phone, and there is a call between him and Jesse in the vicinity of the attack before it happened. Once you beat me up right before don't beat me up. Sources tell the gossip blog that wouldn't police raided the home of the brothers, quote, they found magazines with pages torn out now why that significant remember the I talked about this. The thirties are now trying to determine if those missing pages are connected to the threatening letter that was sent to Jesse eight days before we showed that letter. You know, the cutout. There's also evidence at the brothers had purchased rope used in the alleged attack. So I mean, this is this is unfinished Dillard, you know, we have. I got the K norm. So say Nigerian brothers. Charcoal. You know, Nigerian brothers that seems you're done because others. Yeah. Brothers. Like, no are hold on. Garriga guesses on line. Six aria off my mic. Please marked arrogance. I just referred to Jay more as a good kid. Jay, he's younger than us. But older than most. Kid, rich. The what's the outside limit for when you can refer to somebody as a kid that have to be like ten years anymore. I think as long as there's a buffer of a solid fifteen to twenty years between you and them. You can take it to your grave. Yeah. There's a crotchety level to like if you're crotch. Yeah. I will I've been accused today of being jolly for the last three days jolly got damn I was I was walking my dog past your house the other day, and I was talking to Dr drew about this situation with the NFL settling and he just went were in the wrong business. I agree. Trying to help me lawyer. There is no better at least in my crowd. The alternate is when you're on the front page of the sports section is a lawyer because we're all failed Jocson failed athletes. That's why we're in the law because nobody wanted to do that. I you want to be a superstar athlete. So if you can somehow making the sports section you've arrived, Mark. So couple of questions running through my head. I know we can't talk about the actual amount. But can we talk about some of the other nuts? I talk about the fact that your tweet that cut more action than virtually any other tweet, and I've sent that I've shot screen shot of your tweet probably to a hundred people whenever they ask me about it. Because I can't talk about it. And for those who haven't seen the tweet which got re tweeted hundreds of thousand times was Adam saying something to the effect of. I'm walking over to the house with a bottle of Don Julio. We'll see about that. India? This thing man, which I I, you know, I say in jest, but not really Mark. People said to me is that all it'll take I said, yeah. The financial penalty, you know, is kind of gets diluted by Don Julio, especially nineteen forty two. So when we hit talked coming up to this on this show and unreasonable doubt Saturdays on I tunes podcast one apps while we talked about you were doing depositions with Roger Goodell and Jerry Jones and all the all the players. The major players. I don't mean the players on the field. I mean, the owners and heavy hitters in the league. It's I think from what we talked about. You'd gathered enough stuff to make the NFL very nervous about going into the courtroom with you. When was the trial set for? Well. Let me tell you what I what I think I can talk about and break it down in a civil case. There's a kind of a pivotal point in any civil litigation if that one of my favorite phrases is don't start planning anything until after we survive summary judgment. And the reason for that is you can file a lawsuit. You can roll a lawsuit out in any case. And when I say lawsuit that includes in this case in arbitration or any other case where you may have an arbitration summary judgment, basically is after you've done discovery all this stuff that you talk about depositions. And interrogatory and die. And you subpoenaed documents, and you go through all of that litigation nonsense. Then the usually the defendant the person who's being sued will file what's called a summary judgment. And that basically says, hey, judge if you go this is the universe of what's been developed in this case. And even if on their best day, they're never gonna get this never get to a jury never should get to a jury. They have improved anything or that improved enough for it to get to a jury as was disclosed by these system. Arbitrator back in August, we won the summary judgment. So that puts you that kind of if there's a shift in power in any civil litigation when the plaintiff wins and overcomes a summary judgment. That means that you're you've got the power position at that point. Now, I can't talk about this. Settlement or anything else? But I will tell you that. I think it is certain point in all cases, there's a time when smart parties will settle a case I've been there's always, you know, I I've settled cases in the middle of trial. I've settled cases while the jury's out. I've settled cases after the juries come back I've settled arbitrations in the middle of arbitration. So there's always some point and some factor. Whether it's a witness who testifies and gets destroyed, whether it's a documents that a judge won't let in or I had the instance where a judge has limited what a witness testified to there's always some pivotal point. Where both parties say, okay. That's we're at the point where we need to do it. In fact, there's one of my favorite stories was there was a judge who was on the bench. I don't he's now a mediator and arbitrator Alice Williams, and he used to famously saying he's right? That at trial means that one that one of the other party is a whole. And and I think that's true basically trial is one side has not just as decide they're not gonna compromise their nail. And so it a certain point if you can get to reasonable people together, they can usually settle a case weighs on you you if you can't answer things don't answer things. My my take is that the NFL was never going to go inside of a courtroom with you and your client that they were just sort of kicking the can down the road and seeing how things played out. But at some point they were going to sort of break the glass and pull out the emergency checkbook, they were never planning on going into the courtroom. Is that a fair statement? I know I can't answer that. I. Fetig -ly to reasonable parties is a will come to a resolution because it reduces their risk. How is how does a camper Nick play this? I'm going to ask a tough question. He was there as a social crusader, and he's not crusading. He's getting paid now. So how how is this spun for him? Well, the interesting thing about that is and I backed somebody I was I did a TV interview. And I was I explained it this way the difference between a criminal case. And a civil case criminal you're fighting about somebody's liberty. So you're taking a stance you've decided to go to trial, whether because whatever you've done whatever act you've done, you either believe the at a right to do it. If it's self defense, for instance, in a murder case, or if it's if you're if you're a female who's battered, you've got a battered wife syndrome or something like that you take a stance and your fighting over your liberty, civil LV other basic cases are civil which is basically fighting over money. That's all it is the the what you do when you when you when you bring a civil case when you invoke an arbitration when you go to a mediation, there's only one thing you're fighting over its mouth. You know, get I tell clients this all the time. I can't go in with the news e and take hostages. I this is a civil case. It's just writing a check. What are the reasons I still do criminal defense is because at a certain point, you know, fighting over people's money every day or all the time tends to drain you. I would rather fight over somebody's liberty. I think it feels better at the end of the day because fighting over money at a certain point. I I don't know if it brings out Inci in a lot of cases brings out the worst of people. Well, so at Kennedy came what we say. No, I stepped on you. But I say Bill standpoint Alec Baldwin he hosts celebrity match game. So he can get paid. So we can do bunch of indie films where he doesn't get paid. Is it fair to say Mark Garriga's has cases like this? So he can represent their meaning kid who's being charged for murder instead of a Hickey manslaughter doesn't have the funds to pay for Mark erica's. I will talk about it in a just had this discussion with a close relative who will remain nameless. That there are certain cases that and I've always said that we have somewhat of robinhood practice, and I am at an age where there are certain tasers. I will take that will help support other cases that I want to try. And so there are cases that I wanna try saw case today. Where I eleven year old was a rated by some substitute teacher. 'cause the kid didn't want to recite the pledge of allegiance. I mean, that's the kind of case that just rubs me raw the instead of some teacher using that as a I hate to use this term as a teachable moment, or at least having a discussion and getting the kids to defend the position or attack the position logically. And with some kind of discussion the teacher, I think suspended the kid or or got the kid expelled or some nonsense like that those are the kind of cases I'd rather spend some time doing at the end of the day when you're fighting about other people's money, the money gets paid out, and and you put in your account or your wife spends it or your kids spend it, and there's not much left it. So this kind of taxes you well. So you go again, it's like all right? George clooney. What's he doing make an ocean star teen? It's like, well, he's getting paid. So we can do all the. Indie films that are that are better. That's that's that's the Mark Gus. And I was thinking about Clooney also said somebody asked him recently. Whether what is next movie was or has white hasn't done a movie lately. And I think his quote was almost directly. Why do I need to make a ING movie? I just sold my tequila company for a billion dollars. Got me money or winter. Is that me, buddy? And he did very well with that tequila now marks got f- me money as well. Although I was thinking about how much you have to pay taxes. The the the I was I was looking at some of the Gavin Newsom proposals this month and thinking, that's Laura's seems like a nice place. My my my sad thought about this whole thing as I as I walked Philly cheese steak by your house while it was raining yesterday was a March made a boatload of money be I know how he feels about the state taxes. See, sadly, he's going to be driven to Florida or parts of Mexico, perhaps after this settlement, Mark, thanks. I'll show up with the Don Julio and get some real answers. Because there's going to be next chapter in something else that I think you guys will wanna hear about like to hear that j more as a quick question. Hey, Mark, you know, respecting high body when you go hypothetically to court for something, you know, who knows what is your responsibility to prove or like put everything is it like that person was kept from wages. They absolutely should have earned is that we generally in a civil case the standard of proof is one of two it's either preponderance, which I always defined as like a scale of Justice. You're just one side more than the other or it's a standard that's called clear and convincing, and it depends on what it is clear and convincing and preponderance. Are if you look at glass of water and a glass full glass of water that overflowing but a full glasses beyond. A reasonable doubt preponderance and clear and convincing are less. Take a big swig that's probably clear and convincing take a second slug. And if you're more than half a glass, you're preponderance. We're going to do that the Don Julio and get the shirt. Glass. I'll tell you that. Right. And I think that what Jay is saying something we talked about for you came on the air. Which is your case was not that capper Nick has a better armed and a lot of guys in the league. Your case was the league was colluding to keep him out of the league. Is that fair? Yeah. I think that's a that's fair. And that's why I always speaking freely now sorry. I think that's a fair statement. I thanks Mark. We'll talk to you soon. When are you going to be back in town? I'm not kidding about. I'm hopefully back to be in studio for reasonable doubt. Our in the universe. Thanks, buddy. He'll tell us more about some of the new breaking stuff coming up as well. All right. What we're talking about Jesse? And I had an abrupt others from Jerry Nigeria. I have Clinton out. So. I don't like this because I don't like I believe that the narrative that we're living in a racist homophobic world is completely an insanely damaging to anyone who's gay or black or black and gates. It's the worst thing you can do to someone which is tell them they're not wanted in this in this society. So the narrative that we hit drives me insane. But what really drove me insane is when the guy was turning himself in their hair on I have some I have a clip from I guess about four or five days later Jesse was doing a event here in Los Angeles. And we can hear them up on stage. Sorry. Get a potty mouth got attacked selling everyone. They need to stand up for themselves. But he get blacker. That's good. That's a good. Oh, asked the L Hugo. He got a lot blacker over the last few years. He's got the suit. He he's like he's an, but he isn't no G. Like, it's that's it. Wasn't it wasn't. It wasn't Malcolm X in shadow. But that's what I love about the yelich. He played it the way at the play it to get where he is. And he's like guess what? America, you love me this way, actually him a black guy. Yeah. I realize I was talking to. Hi what else? Well, from what what Garriga's was referring to about the student, Florida. Mothers student story. Yeah. Right here at Florida mother is upset after her eleven year old son was kicked out of school suspended and arrested after fusing Stanford. Fetch of allegiance the boys said the flag was racist. And the national anthem was offensive to black people when a substitute teacher asked him to stand for the pledge on February fourth the teacher wrote in her discipline report. What if what if it was if it was so bad here? He did not go to another place to live and the little the the student replied, they brought me here this substitute continued by saying well, you can. Yeah. You can always go back because I came here from Cuba and the day, I feel I'm not welcome here anymore. I will find another place to live Cuba. She wrote. The office because she didn't wanna keep dealing with the student. According to the arrest affidavit about thirty things to say, which is. Just just sit there and just get through life. When you get through the get through fifth grade, the third grade or whatever just please just just it's part of being a kid. There's an element to deal with my goddamn kids every day, there's an element of because I said so just this one day you'll be eighteen you'll get to make all your horrible decisions in front of people. Don't give a shit, but for now just stand up put your right hand over your heart. Probably sit back down again. I know we're living in this. By the way, it's these kinds of stories. It's the capper Nick's story. The taken Nin the oppression and the cops and the target on your back and the man the crime of being black and gay and walking on the streets was enough to get him attack by hoodlums, blah, blah, blah. It's that's why eleven year olds are taking this crazy narrative, which is causing all of this. And of course, it's going to cause other people to overreact. And take the wrong angle in run. It's it's basically it's like a. Tussle with the cops you can get shot, and then go why do they have to use so much worse? It's like they didn't and they did overreach on the other hand. Yes, sir. No, sir. Get your get your warning and driveway that's another direction ago in life for folks. Well, according to this at the student was arrested by the school resource. That's now they've over done what this guy star because he refused to follow. The commands re he they say repeatedly call school leaders racist and was destructive and threatened to get one fired into beat up a teacher. He never did. That the mom is horrified. And everybody's freaking out his suspended three days. He was taking a juvie. It's a whole thing. Shoo shoo, I missed you. I know me too. Jive when I was a kid there so seven like older brother named Kurt is in cheesy. Bad news, just the lore of Choubey, Kurtz, juvie teacher failed adult like if there's a a course that you could take on acting like an adult because there's an adult you should never argue Jesus is on this. He's gonna turn out. And if I don't like it, you know, if she just said like will my bosses tell me that is what we have new every morning. So if you don't do it, actually, I get trouble and kid goes F, you or whatever I I here's the problem. Everyone's empowered now there is no authority anymore. The thority is after you. And it's all off, and there's going to be more and more. This comes interesting race. Well, that's what I mean. Like team sports, really. I love they want then realizes voluntary. Whiting the ribs. Keep running. So she's Cuban kid. All right. And a lady lady. Hoof off your brow. This is a boy shutdown Florida. If this is Larry the cable guy got burnt burnt down all the convenience stores. Right. Right. But she's a chick. She's cuban. Okay. Well, you move on move close one. This was this close to make in the news. But now, it's not really see here's choice. We have to sit around at MSNBC and decide this story or not we're not gonna do it based on what happened to the kid. We're going to do it based on the intersection -ality of whoever suspended the kid and the Cuban and the female it's good for like half a cycle. But it's not good. Good. Not. That's not white guy. White guy. Good. Yeah. Yeah. That's a great point. Well, as I say little Carrigan says a case that nobody's heard of. Nobody's heard of nobody's heard of Carver the guy in Arizona who was executed in hallway of a hotel by cop with a oughta Matic rifled, basically with a military weapon assaulted while cry. Dying while laying on his belly in a hotel. He was executed by a police officer. He was executed while begging I live and laying on his Palley with a guy who had like a military weapon with I think inscribed in it was like. Golly. On your belly and feel my land. It was really better than Adamson inscribe. At your aft was was inscribed on it that guy executed at twenty six year old guy who is laying in a pair of shorts. Bang, and I live neither here nor there not part of the news cycle. Not not a good enough example of police brutality, the L tax cuting guys begging, I live laying in the hall of a hotel at a t shirt and drink Jim trunks. That's not gonna do it. What hotel? No. Now, that's seedy Daniel shaver, that's another client his and cops found guilty. Okay. Is that gonna make the cycle charity that good enough? Now. That's not good enough. That's not good enough. If he's on that means you get shot in the back. He laid on. He laid on his face, and he begged I life. Let me you shot in the band. He cried and begged for his life out of fucking. Again, they executed him. And I don't wanna watch it because it is often turn. A world where we inflate everything this takes no inflation. And it's the worst cop killing ever as I've said, the reason you can't do worse than this and the cop execution department because you can only there is no such thing as a guide laying on his belly crying and begging for his life. And you executing him in a hallway where you have six other cop standing there. And this guy's a pair Jim trunks laying on his Palley now threat now, but not news not not to CNN. It's not news to FOX not news. Not MSNBC not news to anybody. Not news to Los Angeles Times. It's not news. Just no just to play groundlings. Let's go around the horn. Like, what do you think the cops around them said, right? When the gunfire that Erie, quiet. Oh god. What do you think they're covering? There's a gun at once. All right. But it's not guys never heard the story. Don't they never heard the story does not fit the criteria for a story to me? You guys in me way. I sent you. Right up. Your alley. I. It's it's such a. It's so horrific even I can't screw around with it. Like, it's such if you see the tape if you ever hear the audio of see the tape you'll be. It's it's upset it's up setting. But you see it on the news dummy doesn't work with the narrative. There's no other greater example of the narrative because they have body Cam footage. It went to trial. It's everything you need. If your theme is cops. It is nothing you need. If your team is cops hunting black people because then it flies in the face of that theme because they're hunting white people in this case, right? Let's see shot five times a are fifteen twenty six years old. Okay. All right. Let me tell you. What else you got Gina grand? Well, TMZ reports that Anthony Weiner haven't heard from him in a while is no longer behind bars. But the ex US congressman still has a few months in federal custody for he's totally free law enforcement sources tell TMZ wieners. We put on like four pounds spindly. Guy put on some way out of Massachusetts prison into custody of bureau of prisons residential re entry center, so like a half way house. I imagine her some sort of home confinement all the pussy is. Wait, the fuck if you can't remember what happened? Here Weiner started serving this twenty one month prison sentence in November of two thousand seventeen after pleading guilty to sexting with a fifteen year old girl. He was slated to get out in August. But for good behavior, they moved it up. And this wasn't just sexting with wasn't this like the fully exposed crotch shot with a sleeping son laying right next to it. Like, it was a weird in me. Unfortunately for scale, and you don't wanna use a dime toddler cocaine. Well, or the remote whatever supposed by. Laid out. It's so weird to me. There's something attractive to bazo about this. And Anthony, we're like, I I don't get it. Like, I don't get that. I need to do and share with them weird this guy. I was just gonna say this guy has like a compulsion problem. He was sitting. Yeah. He tweeted Harlem's danger and the entire democratic national part, then tire Democratic Party, Houma Abidine, his wife was basically in charge of Hillary Clinton. And he can't stay out of the news. I you'll never convince me that there's not a component to people of want to get caught. I want something bad that gets can it's been sexing, and I'm gonna leave my phone on on the coffee table. Let my wife find it dies just wanting out like what do you? I jock druid say. Well, that's why disease or whatever it is. But I mean, it's just crazy. What people will do? And you know, my saying whatever happens, you, you will do it to your. Self. Doing all of these stories. It's all some something. Somebody did to themselves. Not making kids blow me in the woods. That's right. Like bullshit on that. All right. Do one Martina. All right. Well, Dr drew might want to weigh in on this at some point because Los Angeles County health officials said Friday that bringing cats in to deal with a city halls rat infestation would only spread the fleas being carried by rodents. So yes, some somebody councils like, well, why don't we get cats in their can eat too much? They really it's sort of like when you see a now, I guess it's one of those things where you get older. Like when I was a kid like politicians dignified, new worldly. And like they knew something and now. Is she that guy from like what's his name from Virginia? And he's like I could do the moonwalk for we'll well now, what took some shoe polish and and put on my face some of the day. Or my lamp blackout. When you do NFL guy players on Sunday that Michael Jackson fan. Like, you start going Pampling imbeciles a lot of these guys. It's a sad realization that you realize it a lot of people seem clinically insane. Speaking of which did you see the video of the few congressmen or representatives blind a believes from Virginia, Chris maybe can help me with this. He got busted for blind face. Exactly there's a picture of him. Not being able to see go home. Go home every high school, but it still. And I I would be surprised if everybody wasn't opening an investigation on this guy and look for you know, he's against he's not against gay people. But he's against LGBTQ. And the the interviewer said what if one of your kids was gay, and he said, well, if my son was gay, I if my daughter was gay, I would take her get a manicure and take her to get a pedicure and have an ice day. And then see if she could swim some battery ass interface like my dad did to me so many years ago look for that at the same thing about a son. And she goes, what do you mean? See if he can swim. I mean, that's the whole thing that he's blind. Israel disgust that eight people have the gay people is the actual optics. Oh, walking down the street. He has no concept of what gay people look like if he's in government. He's not around them like maybe three times in his whole life. Somebody's like are you guys ready to wonder what the hell was that a gay person day should die? Charlie. Eric porterfield? Sure. Virginia lost. That's why. So angry. Is out with cock ever since any vowed to be against them that way, the the. Yeah, we think about who is that congresswoman from Florida. Where's crazy hats, we think of her and by crazy? She hasn't been in the news for a long time. Black woman of color. Just always worse. Like a crazy cowboy hat talking. Congresswoman how yeah. I always whenever I see her. I'm like, what is she? She's one of my mom's crazy friends from when I was not my mom had France when I was in high school like what? Oh now, we got the blind. We'll play. I let me tell you about Scott's turf Bill. 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What would happen if a few years from now when their teens young adults, they came to you and said that they think that they might be gay or lesbian. I will dress my daughter, I is I would take her for pedicure take her to get her nails done and see if she could swim. If it was my son, I would probably take him hunting. I would take him fishing and see if he could swim. Gase if he was blind. This. And his pasty white skin in. It's creepy. Smile of a serial killer touches kids has some nerve being as anybody. But you know, what that's who they voted for. Is there been a bigger divisive word than West Virginia, West Virginia? To clarify. He's like I'm just saying see if they could swim as in what throw in the pool and drown them because they're too little learn how to swim that goes what he's applying in the ocean. Occurred. You know, what occurred to me it's like a witch hunt like the well put them in put them in the well. Yeah. There's no happy version of swam down to why to get. No, I I I was thinking, but I was trying to think Pacific -ly like historically like like you said like if somebody should that chicks, which we'll see if you can swim like something like that same thing. Yeah. The ethic takes over. Gresley if she is nine. She is. Which like we was on. Oh payment on that from SAM's lot serve the Serb. Nevada. Oh, my singing started the suck. Right. When he goes. Oh, look. Pay eighty. Ed norton. Let me tell you about cash religion. We'll do one more stronger. Under pressure engines lose up to ten percent performance due to friction Castrol edge fluid. Titanium technology transforms under pressure three times three times stronger than leading full synthetic its viscosity breakdown that's against full synthetic three times stronger, according to Kurt Orban test five thirty viscosity great Castrol edge, formulated in ways, succeed, your toughest, industry standards. All right. One more Gina grand. Well, we were talking about the Oscars, and let's just wrap this up in a bow. After a huge backlash. The motion picture academy has decided not to cut four categories from the live broadcast in order to cut down on the shows run time. So they had made they had made it clear that this is how they were going to have some of those, but not hair. That's absurd. I didn't need like they're like cinematography, special effects, or whatever then hair. Sounds like already sound awards now, but hair and makeup people do seem to love the transformation when you see Christian bale turn into Cheney congressman who was on that. We'll talk show he's not a fan of that category. You're right. We'll get the turning Christian bale into. Movie blend. Yeah. That'd be blind. Oh, wow. Yeah. He's blind guys. Hold onto a railing. And then it'd be blind, and they looked goofy smile you like oh my gosh. Looking through me, we filming it. Through you, exactly. Oscar's make reparations to people like me who made a huge bet on their. We'll go under three after this name. Rich came out it minute massive bed on we'll go under. Plate. What are the categories? So on this is going to be back in the show live action short cinematography long. I is it just me or to a live action short animated shorts. I I don't know seven minute animated, whatever can we need that at the hand me ward level thing about that is I get the, quote, unquote, minor categories and make air quotes. But like the short films the live shorts. Most people vast majority of people cannot see these go to the go to film festivals that don't live in Los Angeles, New York, where they're playing these at granted, very small cinema, very small feeder, these are not accessible film. Yeah. Only the animated short. Anyone knows about is whatever they play Pixar. Right. So right. Yeah. I can't tell the difference between the first place dive and like the twentieth dive. Yeah. If that's toes water there and make up and hair as I can get rid of shorts. And so they've been they would've put been put back later in an edited form of the telecast, and George Clooney Brad, Pitt big slabs criticize this and really put the heat out. In a statement. The academy of Motion Pictures Arts and sciences said quote, all Academy Awards will be presented without edits are traditional format. We look forward to the Oscars. But before that, I like to separate makeup from hair because turning bail into Cheney needs recognition, not the skullcap just hair. Yeah. I don't know if that's part of hair, but either way over here, I don't need hair and makeup. I want hair, and I wanna hair gone separate long, cut hair. And then we'll have makeup if you like best foreign films and foreign films be nominated for. Best picture. I'll take. Jeep. Let's bring it home. You got it. I'm Gina grad. And that's the news making kids blow me in the woods. That was the news with Gina grad. All right. 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But the gyco insurance agency can help you get covered for personal property damage coal Geico to see how a forcible homeowners insurance can be. Be the fruits. Recapping hockey. Castle on sports met with prisons. Good sports. High sports fans welcomed a brand new episode a good sports damasec here. Adam Karol over there A since last. We spoke much going down in the world of sports NFL season is wrapped up. But that doesn't mean pro football does not roll on. And I'm not just talking about the melodrama with Antonio Brown. And Joe flacco go into Denver. As a matter of fact, let's start there. What do you think about Joe cool going out to Denver? My opinion is this is kind of like John Elway is like Ted Williams in for football, though. He's he can't make sense of mortal men, he doesn't know how to like that's the charge now against always like, well, he can't he has no ability to see somebody less talented than him. He's one of the all-time great team could understand Peyton Manning's greatness. But Joe flacco, I I don't know how to make him good. John Elway went to Granada. Hi, probably fourteen miles from where we sit middle of the San Fernando Valley, and they name the stadium after and I can't think of other stadiums that are named after guys in the San Fernando Valley. Again, I played for the where this has had played for the north Hollywood. Huskies heard a lot of people go. Oh, husky. That's a good team name big furry strong sled. Pulling. No, we were named after the department in Sears for the overweight. People have no idea, they just assume obviously, we used to use the fat kid, a mascot and mom. You know, obviously, it was a different time. But so we did get a dog at a certain point. But I don't think people really know that north how so so so for preteens. It wasn't like the two twins on the from the Guinness Book, riding, the motorcycles the fame that. Yeah, they were growing. It was eighteen think tough skins Sears eleven twelve year old maybe a little thyroid issue, but probably could take it easy on the high sea. Well, those north Hollywood husky again, everyone thinks it's the dog. I'm trying to think of who would have been the best then logo for you the guy from little rascals. What was his name spanky spanky spanky was just the logo. But playing ball spanky would be good. I think I don't want to get in trouble. By citing any twenty nineteen examples. I wanna go deep into history. So we don't get in trouble. Maybe the sun and the Addams family. Yeah. So again, I think because while the name of a sled pulling winter dog the huskies would be noble. This was named after the kids department, and for that reason, we should change the name of the stadium to the Adam Corolla. I mean, the logic is sound it's airtight. I don't know why the the powers that be who would possibly rival you for the claim of being your most celebrated alumnus, Molly. Well, we had we had a few celebrities go to north beside ring over the years. I don't know if Molly ringwald even showed up to north Hollywood high at some point she got famous she came out here to do. Annie, the musical and then got onto the facts of life. I season by the way who. Ever. It's a funny thing if you take a look we we should get whoever cut Molly ringwald after the first season of facts of life cycle Jordan's high school basketball coach together, the vast just go use you cut Michael Jordan from the JV team. And you this is a cat a show. This would be this is like shaming. Chef this a cast of thirteen and you cut one girl and two and a half years later, she was on the cover of time and life magazine simultaneously. She became the biggest celebrity in the world, and you had her on your crappy sitcom and you cut her by literally like four years later. She's the she's the biggest star of her age minimum and she didn't make the cut. But Blair did righty and Natalie they all made they all made the cut. That's and by the way, this would catch fire because once the first couple of anecdotes went out. All Brad, Pitt would be. Yeah. I once didn't get a commercial over blank call that casting director. Oh, would go on and on and on a slow day. Unlike a slow episode like J watt would be like. Yeah. You at the back up this guy. Luke over there. You know? Yeah. Like, I said a slow day like when I'm on Kimmel like when there have bad booking day phone rings on a slow day, you'd have me, and Mr. Gregory, and Mr. Gregory who taught drivers Ed at north Hollywood high would have to explain why he failed. They fifteen and a half year old Adam Corolla who went on to win the celebrity and pro division of the Long Beach grand prix, of course, the Adam Corolla, and by the way, do you want it to be Corolla stadium? Do you want it to be Corolla field or do you want them to go the extra mile to really pale mosh to you and dome the thing, so it's Corolla DOE? Oh, I like I like I like the dome part. And and I fear that after I passed, you know, Sharman would put their name on it or Pepsi or. It'd be one of those things whatever happened to poor Chac Murphy over there, eventually some corporate box come rolling in they pull my name off their that put John Elway Toyota dealerships name be something that would be heavy husky. We're still honoring the mask. We're not changing the mask everyone thinks it's the dock. No, no, no. But he would think he would want some weight like a milkshake maker something like that to be like, you know, the peanut butter and banana milkshake the I like the new so yeah, I get I get Elway's. I get kinda Elway's thing where he just expects everybody to be or has no Billy divine. Like what what should I? Hey GM. Elway teach me what you know. Like just throw it farther and harder. And better. I have a question for you young Dave damage Shak because this is either the product of exquisitely high self esteem on Elway's part or super low self esteem because I have low self esteem. So I would go into the writer's room and go just write something funny. What y'all ready if I can write something funny? You can write something funny. There's another exactly right. And then there's a high self esteem. Team for maybe Kimmel with coming after me with a high self esteem and have the same complaints from two different perspectives. You know what I'm saying? I see exactly it's the two sides of the same coin though. You're exactly right either way. Yes. It's it's or is it is it more cynical than all that. And John Elway wants to remain the greatest Denver Broncos quarterback of all time to make sure much like David Letterman. Oh, I could put Jon Stewart behind me. But he might be funnier than I kill. Let's get the least likable human being on ESPN come in behind it. Or Tom Snyder. Who's not funny at all like, we'll get as long as not going to be on any level. Be compared to me in terms of comedy ability. It's a very very interesting point. So I on the on the football round. I was talking to Mike August loves football, coach, blah, blah, blah. And he was telling me about the new league. And as like what what is this new league? And I just literally came back to town turn on the TV, and they're their let's talk about that. But we'll do that tomorrow on the next episode. Good sports four now four Adam Corolla, Dave damasec out. Fully Adam role. She on Twitter at Adam Corolla show, the as man on Twitter on Karoly. Do this boys mail at age sixty four one seven four four tickets on the line gas main grievance books, movies and more Goto, Adam Corolla dot com and say tuned for eight P news. -nology truth brought to you by cold. Truth. 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Discover Yourself Into Existence ft. C. Michael Menge

The Elise & John Show

1:14:30 hr | 3 months ago

Discover Yourself Into Existence ft. C. Michael Menge

"Listen wait love his voice so ahead. Go ahead ready appreciative mice. Alright welcome to talk. So we're excited. We got so much Show ahead the least jackson the podcast. It's about improv. Is about our. It's it's about by voices in the coming into to just like show what they're interested in in we party and two part piney rocks. Yeah oh my gosh look it says lease and then it says john john. Oh wow we're getting real. Professor thanks to joe bernard. This is like the moment in improv. Show where we're like and welcome our took. She's out here somewhere dane. We are so excited to have see men gay. See michael mega is an actor. Improviser and device theatre artists. He currently has a naked stage fellowship through pillsbury house theatre co starring j. o. And eisenberg you can catch them in december. We'll give you all the details about how to get those tickets. Please walk see michael magazine says. Hey michael get in year. We are by the way everybody. This is our first live stream ever and it is for the everybody get in here festival. So we're very very happy and thank you. Everybody get in here for having us. This is nice. Are you doing great doing hot on the little sticky today. I'm not gonna lie to you. i'm trying to make a cute. i'm gonna crop top but I don't know we're acute level yet little dewey. Yeah well i'm in miami. So i just like i'm doing year round. Yeah a little. doing i'd call that a glow. That's good better. i'm just sharing to stream right now. If you're watching live go ahead. And shed the stream all right so see michael. We have you on the show. Today it is per month so happy obligatory. Yeah you go they go. How are you feeling this this month. In june up. Twenty twenty one. That is a big question. Well i'm feeling all over the place. I'm feeling like at the same time I'm like having this like personal breakthrough right now. Where i'm like killing the happiest. I've ever been in my whole life and also the world is a crazy like wild wild west style like every time i hear newsline. I'm like what is coming next. I want to hear more about what is making you so happy. I feel like that's something we should focus on. Yo yeah. I'm having this huge breakthrough in terms of my gender right now. Let's get it zoom in on the camera camera. One camera camera. one play music genetic museums. Yeah i'm feeling it. Yeah yeah. I'm just like a real talk realized that i want to get a foul plastic which is a gender affirming surgery and like a lot like me being able to be more embodied and realizing what kind of energy i'm trying to bring to the world. Get how i want to do. The good that i wanna do in the space. The space being the world And especially about like transits in trans art. In like how i want to interact with other people in a way that Like feels authentic to me. Because i feel like so often were encouraged to hide or make ourselves smaller specially as maidens like puritanical like john lewis talking about like chest minnesota chest which is wearing a sweater versus grabbed shirts. You know and i'm trying to get more into the next crop apps measured kinda like bear at all Needs to come to miami just for like twenty four hours pro. You'll head back to minnesota book naked. Okay that's good people around the twelfth. I like everyone that i know is in miami. Come to miami insider. Everyone feels hotter hotter. Nobody's wearing clothes like yeah. Well that's lovely. I'm so glad to hear that. I'm glad to hear that you're feeling good and confident. I think that's i think that's something that that everybody's kind of always trying to work with is finding their confidence so that's really joyous surgery if you if you can share just You know as far as folks get finding it. You bet Real talk. This feels like wild to be on a podcast but It's a surgery in which they like construct a penis for you and helps with bottom. Which is that. The technology exists right. Now they're like. Yeah some like looking at black doctors to be like all right layer hands and your eyes on me and let's work together in terms of like being fully embodied and not because i feel like before i got top surgery to get my breasts removed. I was very much like ignoring a whole part of my body. Which going very neutral about parts of my body or or negative about parts of my body and i'm twenty five years young and i am just like very much in pursuit of joy and pleasure for myself. That value centered good In for other people too. So i feel like that's the moment in like valla. Plastic feels like. There's so much. I want to deconstruct. Yeah i wanted. I want to zoom in on embodiment because embodiment to me is so so important. I am for for many resume in camera. Two camera channel. The music embodiment for two reasons. Number one is that i'm reading. I'm reading a book called patriarchy stress disorder and it talks about how she and i mentioned this already a couple times on the podcast but in this book she talks about how any oppress class can apply the things that she talks about with regard to patriarchy stress disorder. Right so she talks about how embodiment is the answer to getting past a lot of traumas and is the answer to find your happiness because you just need to get into your body right and that's actually. My coach. to improv. In general is embodiment. Like i just need to put myself in my body so that i can be present so what does embodiment use the word embodiment. What does that mean like what is uc as embodiment true embodiment. Yeah that's a huge question. That's today. Today i feel like embodiment is a radical act of self love and i see it as just like being able to love every single part of yourself and to love other people enough to show up for them is often as possible. I see our bodies as like a like amazing partners to us and also tools for us to create change in the world and create connections matter and create like more pleasure. And i i like more pleasure in more joy for other people and for ourselves. So i think today i would say about is a place of love and i i have this you that i just got it said sovereign. It's like scabby and gross right now. But but i scream love it. Thank you and And it stands for this quote from a tedtalk by this amazing transports and And the quote is my body is a sovereign country and my first sight of resistance. And i think about our bodies as just like the first place that we can create real radical change in love through love. Yeah yes thank you. Stacey greek vice great answer mostly great answer. I love it. That is so beautiful. i love that. Yeah yeah and also you mentioned value. You said earlier short. Stop it stacy. Leave me alone. I cry scholar a b. I wanted to ask you also talk about value right like show. Yeah in your talk about that a little bit more. Yeah you bet. I think values are so important. I wish i wish like. In all of the work to fight anti oppression. I feel like. I wish everyone would just get a journal. I like an honest. I wish. I wish the work with like you get a journal. You get a nice pant. i'm talking to g to pan. Somebody like sets you up in a cafe or something or like a cozy party. Your house turns us nice lights or something. Like the lights and john's background and all right like during everybody loves a streetlight. Okay yes does all right and string lights and somebody sets you up and then you just like have to do some real digging about like what you care about what you're what you think your values are and whether or not you feel like you're living those values because i feel like so many like so often people like well. It didn't mean anything by it. You know i mean to hurt you. I didn't mean to like do whatever and they'll use that as a defense or something. But i'm like you're not living your values and that's on new and that. They think that they're doing really well and they're not doing very well because they're treating the people around them poorly because the things that they say they want to be doing. They're not actually checking into be like. Oh am i like doing that. Think like i am i. Do i value deep connection with other people. And do i say even like out on the street like do i like how. What is my friend group. Look like you know like my friend group diverse. like if my friend group isn't diverse then that means that like. I'm not trying hard enough to support the people that i that i mean to be connecting with values are and i i looked to my values as a litmus test to be like am i on track. I have no idea what i'm doing at any point like ten minutes. I don't know what i'm gonna say. Two seconds from. I don't know i'm going to say tomorrow. I don't know what i'm gonna do. I don't know where a move. I don't know where i live. I don't know anything about the future but now miami. Apparently i mean it's nice there i love it so yeah but but like when we know what our values are in like. Do the vulnerable work of figuring out what our values are figuring out like. What are the ways that i can be living this shit On a daily basis in a moment by moment basis as often as possible. Even when it's hard if we say we value communication that means that we actually say the things that need to be said we actually name our boundaries. We actually named when we fuck up with name when things feel bad or when things feel good like all of the above Then i think then. I think like some big real change happens and then we can actually engage with work because we know i feel like especially why people sis white middle-class people who do not have disabilities. I'm talking to you. i feel like so often. Even allies to the cause or causes will be like what. Diplomacy sucks and blah blah blah. and like. But they're not thinking about how their identities show up for them like they're thinking specifically about themselves. It's like some abstract. 'cause your values take away the abstract. And right you are. that's great. That's amazing what do you say. The kid who who the journal to in pencil and the lights right. What do you say the key pad okay. There's there's sponsoring us not to. That's amazing what do you say this is when they say i'm afraid to i'm afraid of even writing what my thoughts are because i've been told to be afraid of even going there. Yeah yeah. I would say several things i would say one. Your thoughts are not your actions. And you're not a bad person. I would say like even if you're acting someone links to jeep i'm screaming. She'll ultimate talk. Yes please please. Yeah like your thoughts are not are not who you are like. You don't have to like. I feel so often. We get caught up in person bad person and that's not helpful. I want to know what you do. I wanna know what you like. How you act how you're in relationship with people and i would say that i love that person and like what a big vulnerable like process to start and i would remind that person that that they're resilient like you've made it through literally everything that has ever happened to you in your life and you've been through some shit like i don't know anybody who's never been through some shit and like one hundred percent of the time you've made it through that and imagine how how good it's gonna feel and what kind of person you're going to be on the other side of it if you like actually do the work and like actually give yourself the space to reflect and i'll give yourself space to change and like just radically like create a whole new life for yourself and our and our thoughts. First of all everybody rewind the at least the last from the beginning of this show. Just start again because it was like everybody needs to just listen to all of that one more good time and use your g to pen to write notes but seriously g through. Send us a paycheck. i was going to say that our thoughts are also products product of emotions which are product of just reactions to things that go on around us so our thoughts are not only are they not not who we are but they are just a kind of like a lens into our feeling and what we're going through and then nervously fine so i love that. Now and everybody does need to get a journal and distill all that stuff before they start talking all that shit yes yes and on and on the flip for the young for the young for the young person who is looking for guidance who is trans who is queer. Who is trying to figure some sort of way into. They just know they do this. Art whatever their art is they just know they have their heroes in this whatever that artists and they know that they are not gonna fit in this world as can three three three three being for them they'd never really fit into the whatever the gender box and all this stuff they have is our. How do they begin to look at the journal as a as a as a as a source of tool as a beautiful relationship that they can have to help them because right now maybe it's scary like shifting the person that we're talking to Yeah yeah that's a great question. I have no. That's a question. I ask myself all the time literally every day. I'm like why young person like like. what are you like. Howdy how do you begin this journey. And how do you keep doing this work every single day. But but i would say that. I like i wrote a whole thing about like things like reminders for trans youth of just like just kind of like a love letter for trans-youth and it and so much of it is just like you're gonna find your people. Yeah you're gonna find your people and that's going to be like life changing for you. Because i like growing up. At least i didn't have a sense of future. Because i didn't see anybody who is like me. I didn't know any trans people growing up. I didn't mean to transport until i was in college. And even when i did i met white trans people who are affluent. And i was like i'm not like that. I guess i'm assist lady lady like in somewhere in the back of my which is like wild logic you know when i think back and some of them were like i wanna move move to japan so i could make any sense at all to japan but like actually meeting like i remember the moment that i met a trans man who is who is jalen eisenberg. Who's new now art with and we're like very good friends. But i was teaching a class that he was teaching at children's theatre company and i thought it was a woman wearing a dress and everything like really play in my part. I was acting baby of. But i mike meeting him destroyed my world like totally ruined my world in the best possible way because i was like holy fuck people like me exist. They live past a certain age may live past twenty. They have beautiful hair and eyes and they are. They snowcapped bikes and thrive exactly. Yeah people can thrive so So i feel like trying to meet people and like trying to find those beacon. People who feel like your people like i would say like the is important for you and i would also say sometimes put that journal down put that journal down and go and try to meet some people and if it starts online in secret great in pug neto browser about shit like people make your account online or something and then as soon as you can meet people in person trade me this many trans people as possible in person because you're gonna find some like you just throwing spaghetti at the wall of like. Maybe you are people are you. Are you my people and somebody's going to be your people and something is going to unlock inside of you. And it might be someone who's really similar to you or someone who's very different and that like reflection point is going to do something amazing for you and also fucking terrifying is horrifying absolutely terrifying especially in this world. It's never there's never been a better time for trans people and at the same time. It's shit for transpeople because says people may get chip so so and talk about that so finding your people person you talk about the importance of hanging which is other transport versus. you know. you can't really bring up stuff if you around you know system. I'm imagining that you could if you ran your trans friends and family like different thing that you can't. I don't know everyone speaks the same language when you're around your trans people versus having to speak almost a different. Yeah touch specific getting. Yeah what are those. Yeah can't replace. i would say actually though because of the way that we live in. It's not like all trans. People speak the same language. It's actually like there's a lot of internalized shit that happens like you gotta find because there's so much 'cause there's so much like english language was not made for trans ness like it just wasn't it was made for binary gender like heterosexual people and everybody else's trying to make up words there. I just want to go into every time you say something. i'm like. let's go there. Go in there and then you keep so. I wanted to finish. Please answering what john s you and then i wanna i wanna talk about the english language. Specifically these continue. That was so interesting. Would be some basic bitches out here. You're not basic fishes. Yeah what was. I saying about bingo. English language wasn't made internalized shit. So like sometimes you'll run into trans people who transpeople which is just because that's a product of the society that we live in like even as i'm like this like amazing surgery that works for me when i'm googling online. I'm finding other trans people. Being like i would never get a pal plastic. I would never get you gross. Like even stuff like that because it's easier to fit in with people. If you hate yourself in your tran it's easier to fit in with white people if you hate yourself in your you know because they like benefits the people who are not yet because of benefits systems of power so so i would say like. I have some amazing friends who like i can. I can talk all day about about being trans and feel very hurt by them and very listened to and at the same time. It's like it just takes so much like the empathy and imagination of a lot of people who are not ready to totally imagine what it's like to reinvent your entire world because that's what you have to do and your trans you discover yourself into existence. Because most of the time you didn't grow up hearing about trans people seem trans people rights which means like an and you said not only have not really seen this but i am this and i'm going to live this way and i have no idea what that means and the idea of throwing out every single thing that you knew about what you are as a person or most of them is like a lot of people are not ready to engage with that idea on a deep level who i would say like. That's one of the issues that are run into assist people. Both trans people. It's like well. Of course we radically change all the time like you you had to have you. Imagine yourself to this place and found a way to survive up until this moment. Yeah and so. There's so there's like the resilience of being trans and there's also this like materialization of being trans. Where like you created this world. Yeah yeah i just want to say that discover yourself into existence is the name of this episode. Oh yeah thank you everybody. Thank you see. Michael because and also you know what that makes me think of is how how. How how that must feed into your art and like an improv. We are discovering ourselves into exists characters into an existent every single time we step on stage so yes so what. What a skillset right. Like i learned now i have. I have a friend who is every time she talks. I'm like are you buddha. Like how do you do these. And she calls like all every time. We're talking about trauma or some sort of like thing that we're going to her through or that that us having to manage certain life circumstances. She's a this is a skill. like your create. You're you're working on this skill so what you're saying about discovering yourself into existence right. Does the skill that that not many people have so. I wonder how all of that feeds into your art in the work that you're doing. Yeah yeah definitely does. I think i'm biased. Hoops i'll acknowledge it. But i i think trans people tend to actually really good at improv. Without having done it before. And i feel the same way about like people of color. Black people indigenous people at the same time because of the way that we have to like put on different hats and play different characters in their everyday lives. And so. I feel like improv. So improv to me is way ahead of stage theatre because i do lots of stage theatre like scripted theater. There's a playwright. there's a director you know. But it feels like like improv can be at the speed human change and like theater. It's not theaters at the speed of a playwright that took years to write the play. That is now sometimes obsolete by the time that you're putting it on stage. Yeah sorry. I think play reading is very important and at the same time Sometimes it's not so like the way that my and queasiness in blackness. And because they're all intertwined i'm never like just trance and not black at the same time is shows up on stage is like i wanna play trans tropes like not like harmful tropes not like out the trans people die alone and in isolation or something which is like what other that's like those are trump's about translates i wanna play trance tropes like i wanna play like like. I'm thinking about all the trans masks people that i know who like we get to name ourselves. We name ourselves things. Like ezra j you know just like we really just like i wanna play characters with those names. I wanna play. Non monogamous captures on stage. Who are in like really fun like relationships structures that are totally normal. I wouldn't platonic relationships on stage. I love to do that. Shit an improv. As often as possible they. You often get into space with sister. Eight people where they're like. What is going on like we're in of the world. I don't understand. But i'm like can you rock with me when i had in like astrology into the sea. Yeah exactly exactly you know. We're like just like yeah. can you rock with it. And so i catch myself like really wanting to dick around with with relationships structures with genders characters. I love playing characters that switched their pronouns. Midst scene or like in different scenes like have different pronouns or have multiple sets of pronouns and stuff like just. Because i'm like that's my world. You know you say that. And there's a. I know a theater person very very theater person who i've many times before twenty twenty right i. Of course i used to call myself a squeaky wheel. Because i would always say shit and then it would be like okay. We're gonna pretend at least it and say that right like i would say like yes. Thank you as always all over the astrology. And i would say that i would say like i don't need to. I don't even need to name my gender onstage. Why do we need to do that. And this theater person would be like but the audience sees gender. That's fucking problem. And i would also and you're saying these things that i'm thinking back to the times where i would i. I'm straight at least up until now. And i have been in many in many shows i will automatically just call somebody my wife just to just a completely normalize it before twenty twenty and i would most in most scenes in fact i would call somebody my wife and i could see the moment where there but are you a man but like how does this work. I'm like no just my wife like period so so it's important improviser in the world is listening right now and not only for selfish reasons but because this is important this is important. Yeah i want to go to on the on the like the audience who's gonna re gender every single time. I love that because that's totally true. I feel that way about being out in the world to its trans cause some people like will you present you. Wear crop tops. You you were in earring. You present feminine. I'm like i don't present shit. I present my gender. I express my gender and you read it as feminine. You read it as women. You read my hips woman. You read my mannerisms my whatever as women like you're going to read it and i feel like for also all the trans people listening. I hope i hope you're listening and be just like reminders to us both that you don't gotta try to express yourself shit like other people are going to read what they're going to try to what they're gonna read in like there may be. He may face repercussions for that. And that's real but like it's not like you've done anything wrong you can just be your gender and your gender looks however it is and like i have a non binary body i'm a non binary person like non binary. I don't know what that means a man late. I don't know what means. I got some words you know but yeah so proud you see. That's that's such like an because you stood up for yourself first and then as a result. I think you know just didn't want to be in this predicament. Nobody wants to be in the situation in life where you have to make big life changes. That are dangerous for your life and he threatened yourself and other people. Nobody has for that but but here we are right. We find ourselves in a situation. I'm so proud of you for consistently giving yourself that grace giving yourself patients to just like all right. We'll get we'll figure it out but we may not figure it out right now and that's and i've seen any time gambling. Okay forget next time. That's code you keep showing up and you keep doing it in in that that teva war z. In front of me. The between season transfer old transphobic having declare What is the truth and insist folks having to pay this tug of war by themselves really of what is gender. in who's actually take responsibility. I see that you presenting this way. Well you must be one of the tujia whole back and forth now that you're saying that they're really doing with themselves what they perceive to be how society. Yeah like where to how to place themselves. What does that mean. friend them in society. Yeah in the conversation really for sis folks figuring who they are who they are. No we're doing that. we're get a journal fucking journal. We you know what. Stop right. Now rewind this episode and start again. Wanted to talk about the english language. Yes tell me more. Tell me more about why you feel that That the english language is not trends. Would i say friendly is not trans inclusive. In one way. I feel like it is only that we add new words all the time to the english language like every single year. We're adding new language. And sometimes there's pushback on members of queer community for like oh. Lgbtq plus you know like what what is like. Why do y'all keep adding words. I've just learned what the last word was. And i'm like the thing is the thing is like a language was built to grow. That's why we add words all the time and be like the reason why there are so many words because there weren't any words at all for us. There weren't any words for like they're like we're not new. I feel like the words are new. And we're not new like women gender non conforming. People trans people like two spirit people. We've been here since the beginning of time. We ain't new gay people ainu where people ain't new you know but but we've had to create our own language and so sometimes you'll find like pods of people using the same language and so they'll be like here's the word like here's the word that we use and you'll find other pods people who relate in a really similar way but us totally different language because because we've had to be these like wordsmiths inventing our own words for ourselves for so long so that's why there's so many words. It's just like what a beautiful thing is that we're trying. We're trying to speak ourselves into existence to in so that we can just raise our hands and say who all. Here's gay like stress. When i say late does that. Does anybody rain during and like what does that mean for you. You know. I am so i think words are very important in that way and i also think words should be thrown out all the time i just like i think sometimes we get so attached to labels that we use them we use the label as a goal and a label as a reflection of where we actually are in so like i want to live in a world in which we have tons of words and it's normal for people to change their words all the time like a new word from my gender. Tomorrow i dunno. I may come out as a man i might like. Come out at something else i might be gender. I don't know where i'm going to be taken. But the words that. I use my change. And that we can normalize that and not be like god what a burden. I have to learn another thing. I think people are resistant because of ego. Because what if i get from what if i get it wrong. And what if. I'm the person that offended a trans person. Like i can't be the person that offended somebody that's trends like then what am i gonna. I'm gonna get cancelled right. And i think that's that's that's a load of bullshit. I think we just need to be okay with with not knowing everything and with learning as we go and with apologizing if we have to. Yeah yeah yeah off about to feel it gets the like people don't believe that they're resilient like you. Don't believe that you've taken a feedback and survived that right there. You won't let in negative feedback or you just try to avoid it by skirting past it. But it's like you're resilient enough to handle that and to incorporate it if you're brave and bold enough to so do that. Yup i wanted. Let's talk about some. What's what's your favorite kind of impromptu. Do today. But i mean you know like would you favor style of goo goo goo finder series or you know. Where do you feel like. Oh we play like this. i love it too. I would say goofy. I would say like i love like we're having a great time. I think we did a great scene. And i'm like it's not like if we were having a great time the audience is gonna pick up on that energy anyway like so i. I love to play like silly. i love to. Sometimes i love to play like really sometimes very embodied sometimes very intellectual. It depends on the moment of just like i love a character. We'll just like really go into the logic of something that doesn't make any goddamn sense just like really trying to drill down on some nonsense. That brings a lot of joy. Yeah who doesn't know facts but that's how it works exactly album. Yeah a very bad. Private investigator i would say and i really jamming on. I've a friend who. I met in an improv class. That huge and we i play styles. Work really really well together. Both vaccinated so right now like just yesterday. We did some improv in my living room and so really jamming on living room improv. Right now excess. Like it really is about like us having a really good time trying to like build like queer worlds together and then dislike. Toss him out in. They're just oh. I love that. Yeah it's just for you. Yes yes all my god. That is so strong so powerful but that must be to like build them connections. You know like nobody can take you off your identity in the world once you built it in here. You can't stop somebody out from believing that that can happen. It is happening it yours. Done a lot of a lot of what you say. See michael reminds me. And i feel like i'm always the person that either brings it back to yoga or astrology but a lot of what you say is is making me. Think of yoga do yoga on a regular basis. And it's like what you're talking about is embodiment and alignment right. And that's what we're doing is you're lining yourself with your values and you are making sure that you're having an embodied experience and that is all what we're striving to do a yoga like we're working really to to to be at our bodies and to align ourselves and it just reminds me so much of that and it's so it's so wise and even like you're doing improper yourself in your living room is is so not from ego right like we're out here like oh look at my pun. It's got so. I think it's so it's so wise in it so it's so soulful downward dog just getting out that's right so like a damn word dog so flow. I don't know sign you see. Michael what is your zodiac. I'm a pisces exact birthday though. Twenty third february. So you on the cusp of aquarius. I'm cuts be But i feel more pisces. Very much though yeah. I'm a pisces son. tourist mood. Kids are the. Pisces is mature. The pisces is very is the oldest sign of the zodiac. so you represent the elder of zodiac. Wow yeah that's why. I feel like a baby so i love that. Well you know why. Sometimes they say that pisces do feel or maybe even throw many tantrums like babies because what happens when we when we get older that we become stubborn and kind of like. We don't want nobody to fuck with us and leave me alone revert back to me children. I mean so. But it's interesting to me that i just said like your wise and you're like oh i'm a pisces. Know shit because you've been around for many many lives. I have a friend whose daughter is a pisces. And one day my friend was telling her daughter like you know you can't do this right like she was kind of reprimanding her and her daughter looks at her and she's like you know you're my mom now but i used to be your mom. She was like oh shit right. So anyway pisces. Yes and then it was a moment where we were all just like and then we cut the moment. Pass your what am i going to do. This is my mom. That's that's the epitome for me of a pisces and dessel wild yeah lived many lives and you're here to tell us about ourselves and that's good. I hope so. I don't know your cat. You have a cat. that's crazy. shit. August call you. It's very much my sister named the cat appreciate you should name them oblivion and this is really dogs. Huber yeah very dark humor but later about twenty nineteen so little trauma bond screaming john. Yeah that's a good name for the episode to. Yeah okay there. We go love that. Would it were really young. We plan with Took the class and we had tracks huge One of them is the man. I met my memory but it was made up of trans folk women who buying. Yeah amplifying voices. Track where i believe there. There is the start of like a real a real discussion meaning like it. Now's official it's been taken to a certain level. We recognize it as he thinks. The thing is please don jaime teens. I won't gender you and we will have a great senior guardless. Trust me right like that. Whole thing that yeah. That's easy in theory right. We're going to think about like that. Shows up for people in a body in different ways in improv. You that process for you. Yeah i wanna know like what along the way. What what you picked up on that journey by yourself you know you like the journey of notch entering other people and yeah yeah like its concept is easy yes all that but as we do and put it into practice right. That changes you. I'm assuming issues your world in offstage in-state all that yes. Yeah yeah yeah. Yeah you bet I'd say in general were conditioned to gender people immediately within that kind of seeing out in the world every in our everyday lives so like i would say in my private life. I make a practice of not generating people in general. Because i don't i don't know based on like even like based on people's expression expression doesn't mean shit in terms of gender identity. They could be like they could seem like they're completely at odds and not be So in scenes. I would say like if you haven't been doing that work. Its new like it's new to not be like my mom in the scene or mcgruther you know like that. That's actually like it takes a moment to get out of that practice if you haven't been practicing in your everyday life just not 'gendering people based on their expression. So i wonder if if we can have an improv in general as a community discussions on alternative language right like your my parent. You're my siblings or my sibling. You're my twin your cousin. So i'm wondering if that's because i'm always trying to find a way like as we progress and i have more conversations. I learned from people like i'm learning from you because you were my mom before your laundry. Apparently like my friends child. I wonder if i wonder how how we can make it more inclusive in general improv. In how we can teach as teachers like the first thing i think about how can i. How can i improve this as a teacher and improv so i wonder what are the best ways. I'm just kind of running through my mind like if when we're having these conversations on gender in class name as the relationship versus naming calling it mom or dad or i calling it sister or brother does that does that sound right or is that made being like. Is that much i you know. That's a hard one. i. I don't know if i can answer that question because in party like that. Is you 'gendering to you're just gender neutrally in part so like in some ways so you feel like in the back of my subconsciously. I i'm calling. I'm looking at you as mom. But i am calling parent and treating you as what would be considered mom. I feel like that only in scenes with some people with some people in gender. So you can't gender me on stat like you're calling me parent but i'm watching the gears turn of like you are my i saw but i would say i would say like nate one way to get around. That is to name your own relationship to the other person to be like as your friend. I'm your Your friends like yeah blah blah blah or like as your child as your daughter if i'm woman right and seen then is your daughter. I'd like to say exactly. Yeah that's one way to do is usually one of the happens happens now. The lisa said. I'm your daughter right. And you're watching the sea we're watching. This is a payment now. Has that choice right but the audience. Let's say in this theoretically. Lisa's that to me as your daughter says that to meet the audience will set. Okay that's their right. But i can say that i didn't nobody over here said dead at least say dad. So there's this gap right. Now you're performing and you're butting up against the audiences idea of what and then i also like in my mind. I was already your mother like and i felt like in now so this moment happens right. It's a skill. You got work on this real skill. Because i know myself does that. Need to just wanna go. Well let me go ahead. Just be the dead because another the audience is probably assuming that. I'm not talking about like this like just so. Yeah talk about that. Like when i was talking about earlier to this idea that you've got to stick to your guns you came out and you had this ideal right and like fighting against pressures to be a certain thing and all that. Yeah you you bet I love the audience so much. And i would also say fuck the audience. Sometimes just i already know much. Blacker saying that by the way i get so much black perceived because it's just like i can't play the game of guessing how you're gonna read me all the time. I can't play that game. Especially because i'm like every single person in the audience is an individual person who has a bunch of different experiences. So i'm i often actually when i'm on stage. I'm reading like twelve different rates by people. I'm read as a woman i'm ready. Maybe as a trans man. I'm reid is a non binary person but some people it depends on who in what's happening. So i think that like saying like as your daughter gives the other person the opportunity well as your mom you go or whatever if you want to say that like i think there's a you can create games around it too of like what kind of character says ads your friends. You know what of character says. Ask your friend. Emotion like ever ground ourselves emotion and how emotion brings a scene. Go to ford in how we do. We how we can carry the scene simply by stating on emotion. And that is right where it's going to. It's going to put you where you are emotionally right by saying where you are. Yes this also so wise. I'm sorry go ahead. Oh no. I was just going to say too. I'm like just be more creative. That's just like that's my just like your we're playing. We're literally saying they come up right now. We're we're here to play a game like let's play a game So i can. I tell you that that's why i looked to play animals and there's a lot again. I'm not gonna play an animal. I'm like how much do i love playing lee on top of a dog where he doesn't matter it does it like nobody even is thinking about gender in that moment right. It's like let me just play. whatever. I wanna play. I would love to have that kind of freedom when we're playing humans. Hopefully one day we can get to a place where not even the audience to see that we could easily be to fleas on dogs head or just to humans right to please but any i was gonna say i was going to say that it's also so why is what you're saying and what you just taught me about turning it into an instead like focusing it on on the person speaking because like even relationships in bike just emotion in general they a therapist will tell you. Don't tell your partner what they're doing or who they are. Tell them how you're feeling. Tell them to put it. Put in an ice statement right. So that's i feel like it just goes all across the board. Yes they just talk about yourself by the book. You're talking about this other person to talk about your character because that is the gift and like talk about memories that you have with that character to like. I what i'm thinking about. Is i think i think a lot of improv. That i've seen in done if i'm honest lacks agency. It lacks agency over being. Like i can name like what my relationship is to somebody else. I can name what. I have a feeling i can like choose what my body is going to be doing in the space for one on one and see think that's like near the end of the thought so i know but just like have have agency i would say. Yeah yeah as your friend. I want to give you. Can you be a little more Specific on what you mean by agency. Because i know i know the definition of agency but in terms of applying it to a scene. Yeah i mean like give yourself pronouns. If you wanna give yourself pronouns like sa- find a way to use the third person for yourself so that you can give yourself pronouns so your other scene partner knows what pronouns that you use if you use or like topic conversation ahead of time to be like all right. I'm only playing men onstage today. Just so you know so like or or all of my characters are gonna use him or none of my characters are gonna use she her. Just don't usually her for me. But you can use literally any other pronoun for me like having those conversations before improv to be like i have. I have the choice to say. What kind of characters that. I'm playing or not playing. It ends like. I think that's a gift. Also that you give your seen part. Yeah it's just to say like here's how you can address me on stage. Or here's like i'm not gonna play animals on stage. I'm black and sometimes i just like there's a power differential and like i don't like it now. Yeah yeah so like getting the name things like that getting like. Choose your own emotion like getting to choose your own relationship to other apple. Like how much can you possibly get to choose like about your own character and also still be giving gifts to your partner about like your history a- gifts about what kind of person that they are like how they respond to you like their their character makeup versus the. That's this is a mother fucking master class. I love watching it. Tell the audience if you're watching a long this also two way street as lied field freighter in the common. Yeah share any questions or concerns. I've you have any questions you want to add to the discussion in court. I love that. I when you build up and re okay. I love when you build up an audience. Yes so this algis. I love when you build up an audience requests so much only to revert back to a prior sketch scheduled before the climax then just at the end of the night bam flip the script okay. Got your defy stereotypes at every turn. I see yup that that you see another and yes velvet. Thank you see. Michael is awesome. So i feel like defying the feel like yes. That's always a wonderful thing to be able to do and to play is to defy the stereotypes but if we're doing it actively in our minds it can feel tiring it's almost like we're teaching versus. Were just playing do how does what do you think. That's what that's how. I feel at least especially as a latina person that plays in primarily white community. At the moment. I feel like when i have to device era type sick gun i got to go through a fucking rigmarole in my head as to how i'm going to flip this so that they can so i can be like like it's just so much work. Yes i mean how do you. How do you feel about that yeah. I'd say in terms of defying stereotypes. That's never my goal. I i feel like my goal is have a really good asked time and so i'm not in that way i'm not gonna pigeon myself into a stereotype and i'm not going to let myself pigeonholed into stereotype at the same time like if someone else's trying to put some kind of a narrative on me that i don't like i'm like okay i've agency over the scene like i get to decide like maybe we cut the scene or maybe we like cut you a different moment or like maybe like you know just like in. What way do i. i don't know. Yeah it's all back back boundaries and i i'm pretty particular about play with right now. 'cause i 'cause i gotta know i gotta know i like and that's one of my boundaries is an improviser have to know that you as a human being understand what my gender is or at least want to you know or at least really actively trying to and if you don't understand that is black and if you don't understand that i'm trans if you don't understand that i'm not divergent then like we can't play together because i'm going to get disrespected or like something is going to. It's going to make the improv not worth it you put yourself in harm's way exactly. Yeah to be a member of the cool kids of improv. Which is us. I got a question. What are you doing with your hair. I really liked to. Do you have any tips of products anything. Well i'm dick. But i really do. It is okay. I figure in the shower and i see a transformer named tj free days on instant. I'm thinking about just dreading it. 'cause i but let's do other do you look. Hey let's okay let's do it. I'm serious to okay. Great bosque Is what i'm aiming for. Anti cantu notching into the joe. Joe joe posted the link for home products. Also send us a check. we're looking for sponsorship. Okay give us. Give us give us give us more of what you want to talk about. I wonder i know it's hot over there. And it's hard to get robin passionate but now you know what is it that you like beans this. I need this whatever. This is any more of it yes absolutely. I'm looking for joy i'm looking for. I would just like. I feel like such a generic answer. But i get really riled up sometimes just like here about people's passion projects especially transpeople passion projects. I'm just like i'm doing some random shit like somebody who's like doing a game show called. How big is it about the relative spatial sizes of things. And i'm like great. Like i want more more more. Trans are right now. And i want more black shit and i want there to be so much and i just got to say this panel the other day too but i want so much art that is trans and queer and black that there's like room for some of it to be really shady like i want like because right now. The black rex lands trans excellence. It's like such a high standard that it's like. Oh well like if it's shitty that's a problem because everyone's looking that as like we'll see buck theaters or like translators are megan. Gigli the movie with looking j. or change. Remember the worst movie i mind you. I never even watched it. And i didn't watch it because everybody's like oh this is how do you i don't know how to pronounce it. I just said get you lisi anyway. We we designed to watch people have their own process. Yeah yes yeah. Salvage yesterday lead. Thank you yeah. that's great so. I'm just i'm just shaming on joy now jamming on people's passion projects jamming on stuff. That was like the people who are making it happy. And i'm thinking specifically about people who have been marginalized. Yeah who are just like. I'm gonna make my own joy i right now And i don't really give a fuck what you feel about it. I'm like actually feel really great about that. Actually feels like exactly the kind of art. That i is an audience. Want to be seeing right. Now tell me about the world of art trans black. Tell me what's coming out of this. i mean. do you have any recommendations for us to follow the. Yeah yeah by. Wipe picking those pieces. Yeah i would say like. I would hype up literally any trans art that it's happening in the city right and i will say that right now and i mean that because i feel like we all just fight each other now and really celebrate each other jamming each other's work and even if it's not my shit like i'm into it so i would say like lightning rod. Theater's doing lots of trans right now. Which is like a treat and I have this fellowship. And they're like one on like lots of like one off things happen. But if i'm honest there aren't a ton of trans groups. There were twenty percent theater That did like queer theater. And they're ending right now And still have some programming left. I think but But in terms of like groups in terms of troops in terms of like a collective of that are making art like especially theater. Art in improv. Like i actually can't name a ton in this city. Which is it actually just makes me really sad. I can name like one off things that have happened. I can name things. I do things that just pop up one off or like performance art pieces that happened but it's actually harder to name Like shows that are actually by trans people for trans people in this city. Which is part of. I think what my like greater goal in and is is is too great so if i can talk about my dream yes just this week it into existence. Also buck yeah. I'm imagining a future in which there's a trans theater festival and there's improv. At this festival there scripted theater. This festival it's devised theatre festival and it's a festival that has workshops in its international. It has workshops from people all over the world and and it's open to the public but it's mostly targeted towards trans people in the audience and it just like highlights joy and talent and diversity of trans ness and i'm imagining that festival but i'm also imagining In partnership with a retreat and so they'd happen every other year with each other. There's the festival and then the next year there's a retreat in which it's just trans people who are performers creators and we go into the woods or some shit and we you get paid to be there and and we just make some shit and there is no audience. There's no audience. It's just it's filmed. You can use it for grants. You can use it for anything that you want but but there's no audience it's not about the audience. It's about building artistry. it's about building skills. It's about playing and making connections and getting to know each other like really deeply into yourself and yourself. Yeah all right well. When you make the gofundme page for that we will be sharing it because that love that that is important and that sounds genius and lovely unnecessary so much fun like fucking low. I don't know if we're cussing but we're cussing. I would love that. This whole episode kinda. I can't. I can't tell you how much you meant to me. Even though we got sent home. But i lived in projects for a spell and this one time they had every kid go out to the woods for one night maybe he was two but they went camping immediately. We got to the campsite. And i don't know. I just took off means some other kids to bed kids. We took and i'm like you asked a bunch of random community kids to come out camping. You don't really know us. We fake permission slip you gave us. Yeah we forged that. But the drive back when i had to realize that i had a semi help me in another kid ran off and we were like making out and we got caught so then the the liberal white woman who wanted to come to the hood and save these kids take camping headed to drive me home with all our guilt like she was just processing for this three hour ride home and i'm just like i gave. I went through all the steps. I was like please take me back number two. I can't go back. my parents will beat me up. Like fine fuck. I don't care for three hours. I did that whole thing as a kid. And then i was like wow. That's why lady really meant it. Okay well whatever. I'm going home then and then i just remember like as an adult reflecting i was like that was the first time i got introduced joy in that sort of way and you know i got caught and got sent home. It broke my heart. But i can understand that i was already to feel like all my people. I'm feeling like we're in the woods and when my people we're the woods what is happening. This is this is. That's probably why hurt so much to that. Ride home. I didn't wanna leave. I don't want to escape that. Like i'm with my people. Yeah you with your people and earth. That don't to worry about knoll outside stuff coming in. I want my people. we're here. This is the most freedom and power in respect of ever felt as a young. Yeah and for the whole thing that you you dream is primarily based on the experience and now what you come away with or what you could produce after what you're making. It's just like this. Is the values here experience. You know what i wanna know is where all of these you know like sis white own campgrounds do these fucking adult things. Why don't you donate your place for a weekend. are you about it. are you. Donate your yeah. You wanna put your little happy pride on your fucking instagram bro. Come on yeah let's go. Vps swanson's dolly little horse and donate that. Come on swinson pony. That's good yes. I think that's lovely. Yeah and i think you're going to do it. And i think that you have our support however we can make you. Why don't you tell before we go. Why don't you tell us tell us a little naked stages about your fellowship. You bet great. Yeah right now. The show that we're building is about transgressed and it's about like these two people one of which is a white trans man and the other one is me Black trans binary guys who go to a wedding and this is the play takes place after the wedding after they get back and it's Thank you for putting the link in their joe to pillsbury house in theater And we get back and the whole thing is just us taking care of each other and that means like we order pizza. We eat edibles. We i draw like like we get to eat the pizza on stage. We like taking care of each other's clothing. Like we play anderson pack and just like really just like live in space together and take care of each other so that pieces just like all about what it means also for people of different races to be taken care of each other because i could see another trauma play about away in a black person. I like that our needs to exist to 'cause it's also reality but it's not where i'm at right now where i'm at right now is like i'm trying to imagine other futures. I'm trying to imagine better futures and so like this is this is us sort of grappling with like. What does it mean to actually take care of each other. And what does that mean in this world in this moment so i'm really excited about that. Maybe it'll totally change to like. The concept might totally change in the fall because we don't have versus this this summer and then we come back in the fall to to keep building it some more but i love that. That's what it is right now. Acute dan principle of like everything. You're talking about a so needed so necessary and also happens but it doesn't get highlight. Didn't you made me think about when i go. Black barbershop is the only space is. There's no within. Maybe just black community. I don't know if it's outside but that's the only place for Straight black men to be gentle and to hold each of his like in like get in there and with the love and tenderness the only space show that to each other real contact physical contact in in a loving way and we always come conflated with care care with some sort of like a relationship. Or if you're queer or something but like e you're talking about something bigger a birthright for everybody to feel you tend to taking care in. Yeah all of it like. It's just like a human need and you putting words to it and you know in blocking it with people and making their that's great that's wonderful challenging honestly see if you put on a show for Three hour i watch live play three hours. Maybe an intermission old needs of people just caring for one another. And i remember iana native director owner Native feeder have this beautiful play one of the segments. They talked about how native cultures the mothers and the grandmothers would care for these young women who i think were like twelve or thirteen got sick or somethin' couldn't even leave. They had to like stay. Put care by the eldest. They des- pampered in a very nurturing way to share that. This is a standard. You should expect this and give this like how how we get down. People have good days bad days but we have just yet here to yes. Yes yes you deserve no what you deserve and then get it. Only like being in relationships with people like artistic relationships in personal relationships with people who can give you what you deserve. I feel like that's like. That's where i'm at as an artist in human being right now as i'm just like i don't don't have time for things that i don't deserve and that's not on like that shit on other people it's just like i'm finally realizing what it is that i deserve. I want that. I want that for everybody. Yeah yes that's wonderful and that's a wonderful note to end on. And i hope i sure it's that we did right by you today. In because you. You've i've learned so much and i'm so grateful that you came on the show and i'm getting emotional so i'm going to stop talking 'cause i will start correct. Thank you for having me. It's been. I'm a pisces. I'll never make fun of you for scott. I will address the facts crimes or you can see you can see each other. At the end of june we had like twin cities. I if you and it'll be a we're going to have another live recording that day weekends and it'll be in minneapolis so we're very very excited. I'm very excited to come. Meet my minneapolis friends. That i've all met through john. Everybody loves you We can't well. I won't speak for c. And everybody. I can't tell you that sees probably a dare you would not even job it out because all right well any any anything else that we wanna tell the people from either of you. You're hot you're hot. i liked you. Who temperature wise you look. I believe in you and you're getting what you want. That's right that's right people. You're hot and we believe in you. That's beautiful john does it. I would echo that one hundred percent. You are hot we do believe in you We have many more things to come This is episode. I think you probably wanna listen two or three times. If you thought you heard everything. I don't really get it if you yeah. The journal thing is big big takeaway from me. Yes you never can be done with that journal. People are in all my is never done. It keeps going keeps growing in. Yes thank you. Yeah thank you for that reminder. Because it's not really like a responsibility. The way in which we think of like cutting grass or some sorta civic finger. It's like this is review for you to enjoy you in your experience. Time on earth go enjoy getting their book. Yeah you know what else does for you. I'm about to do some shameless ass. Shit you know what else is for you. This fucking show gone patriot dot com slash at least in john. Show and joy that motherfucker. Yes that's right. We learnt how to promote stuff from watching our favorite rappers growing up on this patriot on your sucker. No absolutely subscribe to the patriots. We got caught with want to meet so many new artists that we've never met that are bypass around the world. Want get new equipment. Wanna get gold. We want to invest in stuff. I didn't start this show until i had this gold. Mike that's right. That's right so see michael. If you want to plug your social media be great. Gosh yeah yup you an ac unit. No okay my social media on instagram. And my allergies i got cooler is at siham. Sear 'em on instagram siham a seer a. s. i r. m. on instagramcom. Yeah also. I have a gofundme page for my fellow. Plastic surgery right now and you can donate that on my instagram account. Yes please is in the comments. Been with goal. Yeah we're like we're at two thousand nine thousand dollars right now. Which is like amazing. I just posted this weekend. I'm just like really feeling the love. So thank you for helping me get more body. Yes don't forget people embodiment alignment. Make it your life right. Thank you so much. see michael. We're out of your folks. thanks for hanging with us i.

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