17 Burst results for "Alfred Packer"
"alfred packer" Discussed on The Trash
"Off if that guy was juergen up poop and he did it to you as soon anyway today and have the confidence to come back to work. That's been trashing okay. Hopefully wonderful theme today. i don't know maybe not sell it's another update in the army hammer. Cannibalism saga. I'll leave me. I'm leave army alone. Enemy oh do it and then let's talk know just a brief outline breed over here some of army hammers axes and women online. Who have received like dmc from him and have communicated with him have revealed that he has like a cannibalism fetish where he lay tells people straight up. I want to eat you. I want to eat your like. I wanna i wanna drink Stuff like that and one of his exes confirms that like some weird shit in their relationship in like he took the whole like you know like master slave dominant sex thing to part. We're like you know he would savings. Like i wanna cut off of your flesh and cook them and eat them before. I uni you shit like that on my own heart got sex ed time money that everyone's mad because you can't you can't please anyone because everyone's mad because armie hammer wants to eat women but everyone got mad. Also when he Wouldn't eat when where's the long beach somewhere. There has to be a definitive line. K but this is very similar to the whole hannibal cop case of the guy that went on like dark web forums and chat rooms and a cop and they talked about like you know killing and eating people so armee hammer allegedly is into this like cannibalism fetish. But is he really her real. That's that's where this next story really speaks people's increased. So he did some construction work with one of his friends. Quarantine in joshua tree and it was like an abandoned hotel that they were redoing and people are like well. Why would you fucking go out there and just like work construction randomly. When you're fucking rich movie star like you come from old money here. Parents literally like property unlike the cayman islands. You're putting basically a actor. I'm researching role gonna be restructured manager by next. He literally said that who knows dues. Loves this like okay. Sure what that people thought. That was weird but now role. How easy is that. don't use it more. Owner is fifteen minutes away in kind of an open area. Green bodies have been found missing women so date armie hammer. These women who knows hammer a vampire and just saying that. It's all pretty suss. An his ex now said that he branded her like nexium style and drink her blood no and thought takings man. It is and that's pretty trashy because if this is the reason why this is like so fucking weird isn't his. There's no proof that he's actually done anything. All we have are like messages and shit like that. And it's like can you like this is where the holy thought crime comes into play my. Yeah and he makes him like creepy and weird but like everybody has some creepy weird. Shouldn't there into a little bit. So i mean everybody's got something. Yeah now i don't know so. This is just a whole mess. I can't wait to see what else how do you. How do you develop that fetish like you. You pop your first boner to zombie. Movie like what happened. He probably has wearing silence of the land. You though i mean. That's kind of sexy like that. And he's got a boner. I don't know just where it's purely where he got his first boehner matter to be something like i don't know here yet. So that is my trashing news story. That's a good one. I can't wait to see how unbalanced. Like i think he's gotten retin like hick off some upcoming projects in stop all of these allegations. Probably a good thing. Yeah yeah these three. The three bodies found like women who had been missing like pearl awhile so they're like missing pieces themselves or something. I don't know i'm there like not a lot of details yet. So we'll see. I left cannibal the musical so i'm fascinated by this ryan is early musical on hannibal musical matched on trey. Parker did it like they play at the end of the south park episodes like that that that that all came from cannibal the musical really but it's about alfred packer who led a put at finishing up in colorado back eighteen hundreds and like they got snowed in at a certain spot. In order to survive he killed eight. A bunch of people nice sounds like a great reason to make a musical right. Yeah yeah that's the first time i there. Sorry full circle will the first time in. I noticed qiming word. Cut him for divorce officially yay and yes she she's looking for. I think she persona custody. Maybe they're they. They were saying like His his mental health shouldn't affect joint custody or something like that. I can't come into question because it was said in order for that he didn't have. You never really had any bipolar episodes in front of the kids isn't show up the crowd of people that him one into a board. Nor that's like fucked up. That's mental of new years. That will she will hear it. And it's gonna fuck her up so she had to have heard it. If you fucking hurt it you know. Probably got tagged on that from the news. But he said like. Ll we know you're only like six and weren't it's in video your dad's saying that you get.
"alfred packer" Discussed on Reverie True Crime
"Which was upon it after returning to the agency. I was turned over to the sheriff of sa- watch with whom i remained until the middle of july at this time. The sheriff amos wall asked me if i could realize what i had passed through in reply gave him as complete an explanation as i could head after which he told me to go away and not permit it to longer worry me and did as he advised so far as to the going away and after the lapse of ten years i was arrested in eighteen. Eighty five upon the charge of having murdered my companions the result of my trowel is well known to all how the supreme court grandma new trowel and how i was convicted of manslaughter upon five different indictments tried by one and the same jury receiving an accumulative sentence up forty years being eight years for each now my kind friend and conclusion permit me to say that i am today as ever before a member of the human family although isolated and away from that which is year to the heart of every man am i the villainous wretch which some have asserted me to be. No man could be more heartily sorry for the eggs of twenty four years ago than i am a victim of circumstances than of atrocious designs. No human being living can say that. I in cold blood with evil intent murdered mock companions upon that awful occasion what can be the object of martin taking their lives and a one ton manner at bear no malice towards living man. Even though i may feel that i have been unjustly dealt with still that supremacy which rules overall knows that. I forgive as out wish to be forgiven and this the darkest hour of my earthly existence. I feel as i have long felt that i would have far better off. Had my and taking place years ago and i might. Now be with those companions ghost. Assure sure you do not haunt me. Her if the soul has existence beyond this mortal life each and every one of those unfortunate men knows that i am innocent as it is there is some unexplainable power which trains my hand from freeing muscle hints all the brightness and the ferment of my earthly future is centered in the hope that i may eventually be given an opportunity proving to the world that i am quote unquote less black than has ever been painted and to all my conference i can but reiterate that heart today as before abounds with thankful gratitude for your many expressions of goodwill i should like to be set at liberty under the banner of a pardon but if that should not be deemed best i would gladly avail myself of the opportunity. That commute would give of showing. That ad came into existence under circumstances similar to that of others and that as deal possess a desire to live and do right. Oh my friend were it not for the flame of hope which forever burns within the human heart. Life would certainly be beyond endurance. Gratefully yours alfred. Packer this is governor. Charles s thomas's conditional parole on january seventh nineteen o one alfred packer number one. Three eight nine heretofore made application for parole. At which tom his case was examined and parole denied he has since renewed his application which has been approved by the properly constituted authorities the principal additional ground thereof being upon his bad physical condition. It is certified by the prison physician that he is suffering from hydra sale and bright's disease which with his advanced age makes his condition extremely precarious and continued confinement. Dangerous he also presents a petition signed by leading men of different sections of the state urging his release under the provisions of the intermediate sentence. Act without changing my opinion concerning the offense and because of the second recommendation and additional grounds therefore constrain to grant the application confining the prisoner nevertheless within the limit of the state of colorado. It is therefore ordered that the said application be granted and that said packer be paroled and permitted to go at large but within the state of colorado subject to the terms and conditions of said eggs and the rules prescribed and to be prescribed. They're under and the agreement to be signed by him as a condition thereof. So that concludes the court records. That i could find now. After alfred's death his head was cut off and preserved. Is in the ripley's believe it or not museum on display in the french. Quarter in new orleans louisiana. Do you think that he was a killer because he wanted to be. Should he have starved to death. If the case was he could only eat. What was there. Even if that means eating some of the meat of humans maybe desperate people really do take measures. Or maybe this was all enjoyment for him who knows gene. Fowler ralph carr herndon davis and fred missoula made the packer story really popular. The four of them formed the packer club for one dollar and fifty cents. One could buy a packer sandwich and an official membership card the card read. What the rumors were that. The judge said to alfred which was quote they were given democrats and hints dale county but you yom voracious man son of a bitch your five of them and quote at the bottom of the membership charter form. It continue to quote a agrees to eliminate five new deal democrats. Which makes me a member of the packer club of colorado in quotes even official quote unquote of alfred packer. Invitations were drafted and signed by the sheriff of hillsdale county according to the colorado encyclopedia and nineteen sixty eight students at the university of colorado and boulder renamed the student union restaurant. They alfred e packer memorial grill and in nineteen ninety eight author james e bank panned alfred packers wilderness cookbook. In addition. See you film. Students matt stone and trey parker who would later create the hit. Tv show south park produced. Cannibalism musical in nineteen ninety-three like packers companions. The film was short-lived. I'll live nagel. Porter has a poem. I guess that it says let's not condemn poor packer nor crowd. His soul with abuse though he hardly would marry approval hunger as a valid excuse. Politicians historians and authors have scoured his very less bone yet out to the timeless forever. His soul wanders alone. So my question to you is what would you do if you were stuck out in the wilderness with a few other people and they possibly die due to the elements and you can't find any food. What if that is the only way for you to survive personally. I think i'd rather just starve our in that situation because the thought of even trying to do that makes me extremely nauseous. So i think i would probably star but just may and what i think you know without being in that situation. So what do you guys think. I would love to know..
"alfred packer" Discussed on Reverie True Crime
"Gill eighteen miles below pueblo. Then i rented gilbert's ranch still further down. Put an crop of corn sold it to john gill and went to arizona. So that was the second confession it says. State of colorado county of arapaho. Knit says i als- packer of my own. Free will and voluntary do swear that the above statement is true the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help me. god signed alfred. Packer subscribed in sworn before me. The sixteen th day of march. A d eighteen eighty. Three sam w. cantrill notary public. This is judge. Jerry's death sentence of packer hillsdale district court case number one. Eight eight three d. c. Three seven nine. So the judge says it becomes my duty as the judge of this court to enforce the verdict of the jury rendered in your case and impose on near the judgement which law fixes as the punishment of the crime. You have committed. It is a solemn painful duty to perform a would to god. The cut might pass from me. You have had a fair and impartial trial. You have been faithfully and earnestly defended by able counsel. The presiding judge of this court upon his oath and hid conscious has labored to be honest and impartial. In the trial of your case and an owned out i presented you have had the benefit of the doubt. A jury of twelve honest citizens of the county have set in judgment on your case and upon their oaths. They find you guilty of wilful and premeditated murder a murder revolting and all details and eighteen seventy four you and company with five companions pass through this beautiful mountain valley where stands the town of lake city at this time. The hand of man the beauties of nature. The picture was fresh from the hand of the great artists. Who created it. You and your companions can't at the banks of a stream as pure and beautiful as ever traced by the finger of god upon your heart and nature pigeons of diety and the helplessness of your own feeble life in this goodly favorite spot. You can save your murderous designs you and your victims had had a weary march and when the shadow of the mountains fell upon your little party and night drew her sable curtain around you your unsuspecting victims lay down the ground and were soon lost in the sleep of the weary and when the sweetly unconscious of danger from any quarter and particularly from you their trust companion you. Cruelly and brutally slew them all whether you're murderous hand was guided by the misty light of the moon or the flickering blaze of the campfire. You can only jail now. I saw the bloody deed performed no ear. Save your own. Caught the groans of your dying victims. You then in their robbed living life and then robbed the dead of the roar of honest toil which they had accumulated at least so say the jury to other sickening details of your crime. I will not refer. Silence is kindness. I do not say these things to harrow. Your soul for. I know you have drunk the cup of bitterness to it's very drags and wherever you have gone the staying of your conscience and the goading of remorse have an avenging nemesis which have followed you at every turn and life and painted afresh for your contemplation. The picture of the past. I say these things to impress upon your mind the awful salamone of your situation and the impending doom which you cannot avert be not deceived god is not mocked for whatsoever a man so that shall he also reap you alfred packer so the wind you must now reap the whirlwind society cannot forgive you for the crime you have committed. It enforces the old masonic law of ally for alive and your life must be taken as the penalty of your crime. I am that the instrument of society to impose the punishment which the law provides what society cannot forgive. It will forget as the day's coming. Go the story of your crimes will fade from the memory of men with god. It is different. He will not forget. But we'll forgive. He pardoned the dying thief on the cross. He is the same god today as the then a god of love and mercy of long suffering and for kind forbearance a god who tempers the wind to the shorn lamb and promises wrists to all the weary heartbroken children of men and it is the god. I commend you. Close up your ears to the blandishment of hope. Listen not to. It's flattering promises of life but prepare for the dread of certainty of death. Prepare to meet that. God prepared to meet that age father and mother of whom you have spoken and who still loved their dear boy for nine long years. You have been a wanderer upon the face of the earth bowed and broken in spirit. No home no loves no ties to bind you to earth you have been indeed or pitiable waste of humanity. I hope and pray that in the spirit land which are so fast and surely drifting you will find that peace and rest your weary spirit which this world cannot give alfred packer. The judgment of this court is that you be removed from hints to the jail of hillsdale county. And they're be confined until the nineteenth of may a d eighteen eighty three and that on said nineteenth day of may eighteen eighty three. You be taken from this by the sheriff of hillsdale county to a place of execution prepared for this purpose at some point within the corporate limits of the town of lake city in the said county of hillsdale and between the hours of ten. Am and three pm of said day you then and there by the said sheriff be hung by the neck until you are dead dead dead. And may god have mercy upon your soul third packer confession letter to dc hatch of denver rocky mountain news august seventh 1897 mr d. c. Hatch eight four two lehrman street denver. Colorado micon friend. You're welcome favor of the twenty. Second institution has been received and in reply to your request. I gladly comply by giving you as complete a statement as it is possible for me to his and the fall of eighteen. Seventy three of men left salt lake city by wagon. They're being teams impact animals and leaving. We were deficient and supplies for the entire journey but this matter can hardly be attributed to either myself or anyone else of the party of one for the agreement was that the man who owned the teams were to furnish are sustenance but unfortunately our supplies were exhausted by the time that we reach the green river at the head of the colorado and now my kind friend let me impress upon you the painful fact that thus early in our journey reception most terrible from the pangs of hunger for about five days we have been surviving on horse feed which was chopped barely. Just at this point we dot dot dot array and aband- fifty indians from whom we received assistance and being informed by chief array that the mountains were impassable wing to the great amount of snow. We availed ourselves of this invitation and camped.
"alfred packer" Discussed on Reverie True Crime
"Murder because he desired to killing to have something to eat because one of the stories. It's out there is that alfred says shannon killed four of the men that he killed shannon and self defense and since there was no food to be found. He said it came down to him having to eat the meat that was there. Which was that of the deceased man. Alfred said that that was the only way he could have survived. This was the second confession that he signed off on however he signed three confessions during all this time and all of his stories didn't match up. So where the real truth lies. I don't think we will ever know he couldn't seem to keep his laws straight about who killed him and how exactly where they killed. It's all a total mess. The only quote unquote truth is that alfred confessed each time to killing shannon after he came running at him like a wild man with a hatchet and that he did eat some of the dead men so he could stay alive. Those are the only two things that really remained consistent throughout most of his confessions. So a half tell you. After writing all of this. I found his confessions at colorado dot gov and i'm going to read these to you in length. It's a lot but phil is extremely important to do. And as always the precise link will be in the show. Notes burst packer. Confession may eight eighteen. Seventy four he says. Old man swan died i and was eaten by the other five persons about ten days out from camp four or five days afterwards humphrey died and was also eaten. He had about one hundred and thirty three dollars. A found the pocket book into the money sometime afterwards while i was carrying would the butcher was killed as the other two told me accidentally and he was eating belshaw quote california with swans gun and i killed. Bell shot him covered up there remains and took a large piece along then. Travelled fourteen days into the agency. Bail wanted to kill me. Struck at me with his rifle struck a tree and broke because gun a g. Packer do solemnly swear that the above statement is true and nothing but the truth. So help me. God signed a g packer sworn to and subscribed before me. This eighth day of may a d eighteen. Seventy four james p downer. Jp second packer. Confession in denver march sixteenth. Eighteen eighty three Alfred packer desire to make true and voluntary statement in regard to the occurrences in southern colorado during the winter of eighteen. Seventy three to eighteen seventy four. I wish to make general adams. Because i have made one once before the same matter when we left ori or arrays camp. We had about seven days of food for one man. We traveled two or three days. And it came a storm we came to a mountain cross the gulch and came onto another mountain found snow so deep had to follow the mountain onto the An on about the fourth day we had about a pint of flour left we followed the mountain until we came to the main range. Do not remember how many days we were traveling. Then about ten days living on the rosebud. Impound gunman so men were crying and praying. Then we came over the main range. We can't twice on a stream which runs into a big lake. The second time just above the the next morning we crossed the lake cut holes in the ice to catch fish. There were no fish so we tried to catch snails. The ice was thin. So some breakthrough. We crossed the lake in went into a grove of timber. All the men crying in one of them was angry. Swan asked me to go up and find out whether i can see something from the mountains. I took the gun. And went up the he'll found a gulch and came onto another mountain. Found a big rosebush with bud sticking through the snow but could see nothing but snow all around. I was a kind of a guide for them. But i did not know the mountains from that side when i came back to camp after being gone. Nearly all day i found the red headed man bell who acted crazy in the morning sitting notifier roasting a piece of meat which he cut out of the leg of the german butcher miller the ladders body was lying the furthest off from the fire downstream. His skull was crushed in with the hatchet. The other three men were lying near the fire. They were cut in the forehead with the hatchet. Some had to some three cuts. I came within a rod of the fire. When the man saw me he got up with his hatchet towards me when i shot him sideways to the belly he fell on his face. The hatchet fell forwards. I grabbed it and hit him in the top of the head. I can't that night at the fire setup all night the next morning i followed my tracks up the mountain but i could not make it. The snow is too deep. And i came back. I went sideways. Into a piece of pine timber setup to sticks and covered it with pond bows and then made a shelter about three feet high. This was my camp. Until i came out i went back to the fire. Covered the men up to the camp. The piece of meat that was near the fire. I made a new fire near my camp and cook the piece of meat and ate it. I tried to get away every day but cannot so outlive off the flesh of these men. The bigger part of the sixty days. I was out in. The snow began to have a crust and started out up decree to a place where a big slide seemed to come down. The mountain of yellowish clay there. I started to get up but my feet got wet and having only piece of blanket around them. I froze my feet under the toes and i camped out before i reached the top of the hill making a fire on top of a long and onto logs. Close together. I can't i cooked some of the flesh and carried it with me for food. I carried one blanket. There were seventy dollars amongst the men at fish out with me and one gun. The red headed man had a fifty dollar bill in his pocket. All the others together only twenty dollars ahead twenty dollars myself. If there was any more money in the outfit i did not know of it and it remains there at the last camp just before average the agency. Eight my last pieces of meat. This meat i cooked at the camp before i started out and put it into a bag in carried the bag with me. I cannot eat but a little at a time. Were now with the party to search for the bodies. We came to the mountains overlooking the stream. But i didn't want to take them further. I did not want to go back to the camp myself. If i had stood in that vicinity longer i would have taken you mr right to the place but they advise me to go away and in brackets said. He was refusing to tell the names of the parties. He goes on to say. When i was at the sheriff of past two key may pick knife blade with which i could unlock the irons. I went to the arkansas and worked all summer.
"alfred packer" Discussed on Reverie True Crime
"With those remains were tattered clothing. Blankets and animals had obviously also been having a meal of what had been left. There was so much damage. Even one man's head said to be. Frank miller's was dismembered that you couldn't really tell all of this had been done by animals or if it was all human inflicted alfred disappeared for many years the same day that he got away. The corpses of the five men were discovered. There were said to be curve of a lot of tesla around and foul play. The current gravesite is now in a mosh to the men who were slain. This site is marked and fenced in in cheyenne wyoming or. Possibly douglas wyoming. He was spotted on the eleventh of march eighteen. Thirty three by frenchy Joan frenchie was one of the guys that was also in the original group of travelers setting out to fund. Gold's he just happened to bump into alfred. Who had been going by the name john schwarzie or john schwartz. Alfred said he had been to arkansas and arizona. Before heading to wyoming. He was taken to the jail yet again to be interrogated in denver colorado. This is the second time that he had admitted what he had done. And also said that he did steal a rifle and some cash from the men when they died five days later he again signed a confession. Allegedly is real swan was the first today. Some reports say and alfred had to go back to trial on the sixth of april in lake city. Colorado which is in hint style county for the murder of israel one person who viewed the decomposing bodies said. There were injuries to one. Skull definitely made by hatchet and there were miniscule evidence that this was premeditated on the thirteenth of the same month. He was sentenced to death because he was declared guilty of killing. Israel's swan court documents. Say that the judge said quote closure ears to the blend schmitz of hope. Listen not to the flattering promises of life but prepare for the dead certainty of deaths in quote. He was obviously sure in his mind. The motive for the murders had to be robbery. Not survival or self defense. The judge went on to say quote. I would to god the might pass from me and quote. He declared that the murder was quote revolting and all is details in quote and that the trial had been fair with a jury of twelve impartial men. The judge was pushing the narrative of his beliefs. That the five men had laid down to get some shut eye. An alfred manipulated their trust and helplessness at that time to force his attack upon them although he had been convicted of only one. Death of israel swan the assumption that the judge made while scolding alfred was that he had deliberately massacred all of them in the judge said quote to other sickening details of your crime. Our mount refer silence is kindness. You alfred packers so the wind you must now reap the whirlwind. Your life must be taken as the penalty for your crime in quote. He said that alfred was to be hanging by the neck. Until you are dead dead. Dead and may god have mercy on your soul. There was a big back and forth about the sentencing because he appealed and it was reversed by the colorado supreme court in october of eighteen. Eighty five then. On the eighth of june eighteen eighty six. You went to trial yet again. And he was slapped with a forty year sentence in gunnison for manslaughter. He spent a little time in the pin. But through its organization in denver made an impact on how quickly he would get off by february. The eighth nineteen one. Alfred was out on parole underrun condition. He could not leave the state it was said that he made over one thousand dollars making hair robe and hareb rattles while he was serving his time when he was released. He made his home in deer creek located in jefferson county colorado. He was said to be a model citizen there and nobody had issues with him from what i've read. In fact he was very well liked is even been said that he actually became a vegetarian. Not sure if that's a rumor for joke were if that's actually true but that's what a lot of reports do say. It is said that he liked children not in a creepy way but like a fun grandfather that enjoys his grandkids type of way. Reportedly a lot of kids followed alford around like the pied piper. It is said that he was quote mourned by the children for whom he had bought candy and spun yarns in his declining years. He passed away of natural causes in philipsburg colorado on april twenty third nineteen. O seven littleton. Colorado is where he was laid to rest in a military cemetery. Another report says that in the light months of nineteen o six. A game warden discovered unconscious. Alfred he was at the connelly ranch about a mile from his residence in nineteen. Forty bishop frank. Hamilton rice took six of his followers and run longboat to alfred grave in ghoulish ritual freed alfred and the five men of their sins. It said he relocated those sins onto the goat. And i couldn't help but get tickled when i read. The goat was not impressed or moved at all by this relocation and transferring of the sans one of alfred's neighbors during the town that they lived by other the now deceased. William couch said quote. Packer lived between the store. And the dance hall. There were four slab buildings there then he worked in ranches. He was an awful nice man. I was a kid at the time and he used to talk to my dad. He did what he did to protect himself. He never was the kind of man they say was an quote so i guess alfred had talks with william about what he says happened. Because william recalled quote packer went off for something to eat and when he came back one man came at him with an axe and he had to shoot him. They were starving to death. Packer said he tried to eat a piece of one of the man's hip but it made him deathly sick and he never did it again just after that. They found him. I guess in quote there are things that were found that make people lean more towards alfred being a cannibal because he had to not because he was a killer. It was on july seventeenth nineteen eighty nine when all. Five bodies were zoomed by jane's e stars at the time james was a professor of law and he specialized in forensic science at george washington university. There was a massive hunt for the exact spot there remains at what is known as cannibal plateau and lake city colorado james and his partner in this case walter. H berg me came to the decision that quote. I don't think there will be any way to scientifically demonstrate cannibalism. Cannibalism per se is the ingestion of human flesh. So you'd have to have a picture of the guy actually eating in quote but with they did find was defensive. Wounds on a few of the men hatchet injuries and that their skin was basically paled. Like an apple with some kind of nice. Some people think that this wasn't technically.
"alfred packer" Discussed on Reverie True Crime
"But i do have to include everything that i've found other sources say that he couldn't read or write very well and that's always spelled it. He signed his name both ways on different occasions and due to that a lot of people call him al or just a however. I'm going to call him alfred. So alfred was born on january twenty first eighteen forty two. We are definitely going way. Back for this one. He was born in allegheny county in pennsylvania. He was a shoemaker and his young years until he turned twenty years old. By that time it was the twenty second of april eighteen sixty two. He took it upon himself to enlist in the sixteenth minnesota volunteer infantry during the civil war when he was at or ontario in new york they let him go because he had epilepsy on the tenth of june eighteen sixty three. He decided to reenlist. He didn't want his epilepsy to hold him back. He enlisted and the eighth iowa volunteer cavalry regiment. But only ten months later they let him go yet again. In cleveland tennessee because he was suffering with his seizures one report says that he served with general custer as a scout alfred and twenty one other people went from provo. Utah heading four breckenridge colorado in november eighteen. Seventy three breckenridge was supposed to be a place where you could find a lot of gold. Said they were on their way to dig and search for it thinking they may hit it big and have lots of riches. Alfred was their guide. He claimed that he had driven wagons and a few mining camps which gave him the skills to be the god of the group as it turned out. He didn't know a lot about the region to which they were headed on the twenty. First of january eighteen seventy four. Alfred was close to montrose. Colorado and there. He held a discussion with chief array. The white man's friend the chief told them that they shouldn't go on their adventure at least until the springtime to avoid the really bad weather in the mountains during the wintertime. Also a sorry for any mispronunciations it happens. So alfred and five others in the group which included shannon wilson. Bell james humphrey. Frank miller george noon. Who was only eighteen years old and israel swan who was around sixty five years old and they decided they would all go anyway. The other man stayed behind the indian camp. The six of them started their journey on february the night towards gunnison colorado day wanted to be the first ones there so eventually they were lost in the rocky mountains they were out of necessities. And we're freezing a blizzard. The weather was extremely brutal. Supposedly alfred and a few others went off to hunt in explore because a lot of their food was lost while crossing a river on a raft. Some of the men were said to be deeply depressed. Driven to madness star angry cutting holes in the frozen water to try and catch fish to eat but that along with hunting just was not successful. Alfred he said he saw shannon bell roasting something over a fire. He realized it's not an animal. It's a human now. This is all recalled by alfred and he claims that shannon came running towards him with an axe. Alfred said he had no choice but to kill him at that point when shannon was allegedly running towards alfred. he shot him in the head. And self defense. There are also alternate stories galore. One being that. Alfred was in fact hanging out at the campsite while the others went on the hunt for food. They did not ever show back up. Said that's when alfred made the trek to the loss. Ios indian agency with a gun and of knife used for skinning animals. These things belong to the other guys that were with him. Some sources say alfred stayed there at the original campsite for two months since he couldn't leave due to the weather is claimed that about the human consumption. He said quote. I cannot eat but a little at a time in quote other sources say. Alfred's showed up by himself. Looking like he hadn't misdemeanor will any was in shape clubs to gunnison colorado. On the sixteenth of april eighteen seventy four. He allegedly spent tons of money at a local saloon and ran into a lot of the guys that were originally with him at the very beginning of the gold hunting adventure and they were at the bar. Of course nobody knows what actually happened. But alfred was telling people he had to protect himself and killed shannon because he was in fear for his own life. Well that story really didn't sit well. With the other members of the original group charles atom indian agent hauled alfred to the las penas jail where he would be interrogated. It said that on the eighth of may eighteen seventy four. He was caught giving two different stories. One story was that israel swan dot along the way and the others were starving having been without anything to eat and so long so they israel he said three of the men suffered from the elements and starve to death. After all of this he tells the story about shannon roasting and eating human flesh and shannon running toward him with the hatchet. And the whole self defense story some sources say that after he claimed self defense pieces of human skin words covered along the trail. They were on so this is another reason why people have said the self defense story really did not fly. He was allegedly put in a jail. That wasn't in the town. He eventually had to go to trial enduring it. Nobody will lead to self defense. Crame the judge is reported to have said quote. Damn you alfred packer the democrats in hens dale county and you eight five of them unquote and yes. He called him. Democrats some reports say that the judge said quote. Packer you depraved. Republicans son of a bitch. There were only five democrats in hillsdale county and ate them all in quote on the fifth of august. Eighteen seventy four. Alfred put his signature on a confession. He was put in jail but managed to escape by using a penknife as a key. Allegedly after five skeletal remains were found again. We have conflicting stories saying that someone else in the jail hell to escape along.
"alfred packer" Discussed on Reverie True Crime
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"alfred packer" Discussed on The Film Vault
"Nineteen percent via top five The overall top Alford number four Alfred Packer from Cannibal musical movie. I still have not seen I remember at the time. People are like you gotta see this. You gotta see this and I think I might have watched the first ten minutes and like I did watch the person minutes and I didn't get through the people like that L. that cannibal the musical. Alfred Packer. I imagine he's one of the cannibals that singing probably nineteen I think is the main I think is the main guy over over. Nineteen nineteen percent of the top five the rugby team from alive. Yes the entire team. They're partake well. At least the surviving members Little twenty one percent of the top five leather face from Texas chainsaw massacre classic s Of course leather face. I mean He. He's a butcher and he butchers Human Beings that that movie was actually a A an anti Meeting Pro Vegetarian Slash vegan movie At its core. And that's that's what the that's what the The aim was there. But I think it was lost on most people and continues to today. But that's what that movies and that's what that's what it's going for. Twenty one percent of the overall top five had leather face. So that's one I've ever more than one I've ever five. Listener chose leather face which I appreciate and the number finally number one And then top identity. This this surprise me is Robert. Carlyle from Ravenous now I that's With barely beat outlet one. But that's That's what twenty ten point? Four percent of the overall vote and twenty two an hour of the top five. Oh I'm twenty two percent of the top five ten point sorry. Ten point four percent of the overall and twenty two point two of the top five overall. Yeah Ravenous bad number one. It surprised me as well. I remember this movie being talked about quite a bit because of the cannibalism in the movie However I remember the movie liking the movie despite the cannibalism and that was part of the movie. But that's not what made me remember or enjoy them. I remember being upset that that's all anyone can talk about was the cannibalistic elements of have you ever. Seen Ravenous. I've not seen ravenous. I built a movie. You would love forty-seven percent at rotten tomatoes. Why would I love it? We want you only like who movies that are upper-echelon rotten. Tomatoes certified certified fresh. Yes seriously about about this is is appealing Guy Pearce. You Love Your Guy Pearce Right. And you'll love Canada also cannibals Guy Pearce playing cannibal. What's not to like for Brian. So good point under the director has not made anything that I have seen absolutely nothing. We've seen face well. There's only a few films Nad love and priests from nine hundred eighty four all right. Let's let's get to gambling. Which is tough. What about the also Rans also-rans for me. I've got a few. Apparently you have a bunch I Go ahead God. I have stepped on now. I have ravenous we just talked about. I have a live which Was believed talked about somewhere the listeners. Yep the Cook. The thief his wife and her lover brought that up not too many months ago Sweeney todd I like Sweeney Todd you not but Cannibalism going on there eating. Raoul the aforementioned soiling green and then a Very small movie called the eight Immortals Restaurant the untold story which was my first my first toe dip into Cat I think it's called cat three Korean films like really really over the top hardcore ones and I it was about this guy who killed a family took over the restaurant and then fed the family to unsuspecting patrons of the restaurant any fed them via dumplings. And there's I guess it's supposed to be based on reality based on a true story at but I'd never seen a movie like this and Bong Jun. Ho does similar. He's Korean. And he's got some similar things where he back in the bag and that tone wild like out whiplash inducing Switch off back and forth from like slapstick comedy too grisly grisly violence and realism to slapsticky. Goofy Hammy comedy and The eight immortals restaurant the untold story. One of the great examples of that I've ever seen. It was the first time I've ever seen anything like that. But no one's seen this movie apparently and you can't find it anywhere so there's my hipster Pick or or also very nice the I I the the old couple from the book of. Eli Of course but I talk about that movie too much. George George. Martha's their names Anderson. The they eat people talking on cell self Self Cannibalism Goldmember from Austin powers. Goldmember the SCABS. Yeah he's been appealed deal skin often It's pretty gross. Hey surprised he didn't have PAN's labyrinth in there. It's not very in your face but it is very heavily. Implied that the L. Monster Down there. It's like a little kids. Yeah I know but the monster is like not all human fair enough platform to platform. You just talked about feel. It feels a little fresh Brian too soon in Dr Sleep. Didn't it didn't Of The weirdoes. All the time. Where they called Vampires earls. We're doing a whole different list right because I mean yeah sure fire suck the blood and they drink the blood but those those were the sole second vampire and they're they're vampires essentially right. Yeah All the rest of the ones. I have have been mentioned gambling. Christ I really want to get rid of this gambling bit that we do Brian. It's N- it's not fun for anyone why it's great so new way. We'RE GAMBLING IN CASE. You've missed a couple of weeks and what well. What are you done that for? Shame on you if that's the case but We're not doing the old rotten tomatoes out for the time being because one. I don't believe in tomatoes to Because of the lack of movies in theaters and We've departed from that and now we're just picking movies usually come up with in the episode and Guessing how many what the percentages of listeners that have seen it and I post poll on the Patriot page which anyone can weigh in on You don't have to be a patron member. You can just go to check out what we got going on over a patron while you're there but please do last week. We gambled on Dr Strangelove and I I guess wrong and I'm it's bittersweet because I'm happy that so many people have seen Or claim to obscene. Dr Strangelove are learned to stop worrying and love the bomb I said forty five percent less than half of our audience has seen it Brian. Fifty eight percent and it's a two hundred and eight people have seen it in one hundred and three have not or two hundred five have seen hundred three of not. I didn't do the math because it was a clear cut winter. And that is Brian. About two thirds of our ideas about sixty six percent have seen it at sixty four sixty sixty six fifty eight percent. Brent. Oh Chef. I don't want higher than that still he did Jack Lambert. Oh boy. I don't know right Anderson I'M GONNA do. I'M GONNA sign us us because we neither of us have seen this movie. I'M GOING TO ASSIGN US. A bad movie. But it's a movie this come up on the show before and we've often wondered what his experiences like. Wait I have on my list so you have not seen as I have not seen the island of Dr Moreau. I mean I've seen half of it. Brian and it cost me relationship with a very attractive girl that I liked very much time. I she told me to watch it. She thought that I would love it. I got halfway through it and then I had to explain this to our on our follow up date and We do not see each other again after that and I just realized I probably shouldn't have even gone on that date. I realized Oh my God she thinks a good movie and she thinks I love this movie. This relationships going nowhere ever and I was. I was this is me pat myself Back in I I. Actually I thought about telling her how much I loved it and to try to get into those pants there and I I didn't I was honest and I said I'm sorry I can't stand with what I saw that movie and I don't WanNa see you anymore. I didn't say it. Quite blunt bluntly but now here you are torturing me again. I might have some more more appreciation for no that now after seeing the documentary though I was GonNa say you and I both enjoy law. Seoul The the the the misguided adventures of making Dr Moreau. I've not seen this movie either. It's a two dollar rental so I think we should dive in a little bit of fun. I think people like when we watch these bizarre movies. I'm going to always remember and I think this is a horrible pick and this is why I wanNA stop doing the gambling because I mean I. I don't WanNA spend two hours of my time. Two plus hours with the research while spending time thinking about this movie are looking at this movie so much shit and so many good movies is so many things that I wanNA watch and get into and talk about this. This is not one of them but I I have to pay the Piper. I think it's gotTa be fun. I think that should be the Dow. You know what? Yeah some kind of of the poll right now. Good idea bad idea. Watch terrible movies and talk about them. Yes or no. I don't do it that often. I have lost my sinus intentionally. A bad movie. I mean it's usually who I guess. It was a song of the south. You didn't assign that though. I know you wash to proactively. That's right didn't I? It was a DVD. That I brought with me on the RV trip and we had a DVD player on there. And I put it on in the background while I was outside cooking s'mores I didn't actually watch it. I heard the tune saying we're not hurtful this. We're going to watch and enjoy. Inflict FAST SHOULD. Should we put a poll up just to? I'm curious to see if listeners think this is a good idea or a bad idea. Let's let's I was going to have people say if they'd seen Delicatessen or not but why don't we want to put this poll up? Is it a good idea? Bad idea to watch terrible movies from the past and report back on them. Make sure you put once in a while in there. Because I don't. I don't do this that often but once implicating you in the question. I'm just putting it out you absolutely. You're absolutely R. No listen to question good idea or bad idea to watch bad movies from the past and review them okay. I would once in a while and I'll cut it off A. I'll make sure that it's cut off Friday like early so my right before the episode airs on I tunes and everywhere else. All right nice please please add once in a while and I'm totally fine with no once in a while. Why once in a while. No because we don't do it that if they see you do it all the time. You're doing it but you have to watch your movies all the time all the time. Brian but I I but I don't know sign. Here's what's happening. I'M GONNA I'm GonNa say mystify and then you're going to be mystified by me. Say Mr Fine. You're going to quote. What the absurd inflated overweight Rotten tomatoes score is which is one hundred percent. And and that's what you're going to justify it by your mystify but it was not a movie that should have been talked about her needing to be talked about on the on the program not a good move and it sends agree. Great great documentary. Go ahead continue your argument brand new all the time. You had me watching bad movies all the time. Mystify MOST RECENT EXAM. You can't you. Can't you can objectively as a bad movie? Wow How can I not? It's not a good movie because it'd be false. It'd be a full statement back it up. How so how would you say that I guess? The most empirical data is that every single movie review who's reviewed has been a positive review and narratives took some coaxing. But yeah there it is there. It is again the group of six people six six fuckers trust me. I think before everything said and done It's going to be a little more fair than that. Because there's six. It's there's a lot of one-star you you're such a Dick. I'm just messing media. I think it's a fun idea once in a while to to do some. That's not the point because if you put once in a while in the poll question everyone's I guess sure anything you know what racism once in a while. Why not you know what I mean. You can't put once in a while it's got it's gotta be. Is it? A GOOD IDEA. Bad idea is a good idea or a bad idea and not implying. We're GONNA do it Regularly implying that we're GONNA do it once in a while. I just. Is it a good a good idea? Bad Idea P period don. Good idea about it doesn't matter about frequency. I'm just asking the okay. This the relies hall love. You realize if I put once in a while everyone pretty much it's GonNa be like ninety percent and ask because it's a great idea you first of all the results of this poll have no bearing on my assigning. You film this. Is this exercises folly. Right fuck it. We'll delicatessen. No I WANNA actually. I'm curious what the results of the polls are going to be cool if I don't put once in a while or do you want what's in a while and I don't care I don't care that much it will tell me now because that'll affect what I guess. Absolutely it will no. I'm not going to put it in there. I WANNA know if If the listeners think it's a good idea they wanna hear. Us talk about a bad movie from the past I. We've spent too much time. I feel like we're doing Corolla bit here. Going IN CIRCLES RIGHT..
"alfred packer" Discussed on State of Fear Podcast
"So but yet spread way out but back then there was nothing just literally fifty miles one way to creed which is the other way which is another mining town. Okay and then the other ways fifty something fifty five miles to gunnison which they mentioned in the story either way on the other ways. Same thing and if you're caught in a snowstorm I mean you're not really gonNA go very far. Desperation will definitely drive you to do some crazy shit and snow blindness. Can you know you get lost and before you know it you just you die of Hypothermia? That's it you're popsicle So I mean at that point if you're if you're Hunkered Down with some people and somebody dies. You know flays ass like I said and they actually had the jail cell that they had him locked up in Was in the city park down there and Lake City four about forty years. Shallow big solid iron. I mean it was outside the whole time to and soccer held up I was like damn and they need to have it. They used to have a next. This caboose and it was a tourist attraction. Oh on there and lock them in before they extradited him for his trial as to how and then he then like I said he escaped hid for nine years. They right caught his ass putting. That's but sparse in those times. You can have you can have. I could go up there right now. Yeah and disappear. Yeah well yeah you know if you're gonNA cheat and use heat vision and ship then all the Predator you ask them rolling them out or whatever but you can literally vanish back in those woods. Oh yeah so. I am actually surprised. They found those bodies to be honest with you. I was like Holy Shit but I feel like I at this. Actually I take that back. They didn't find about it. Why don't you say that they didn't find the bodies until eighteen hundreds because they took accounts of the stories he was talking about in the General Area? Where the murders took place. And they use ground radar to try to locate the bones. Guy Down the ball okay. That makes more sense. That's right okay. Jeez yeah I should be ashamed of myself. Now you're Fine Armand. That's pretty cool. Man is an interesting story. I had never heard of Alfred Packer before but then again from Colorado. He's literally the most notorious story of the entire state. I mean there's lots of cool stories but he's like one the front burner almost on every you know when you talk about tourism stuff like that. He's everywhere I felt like he is Colorado's version of egging. Like the only reason Ed. Geene is more famous his because of his influences on movies Buffalo. Oba's inflow bill flow. Bill bossing howdy. Doody she he was the orange for Leather face in Texas chainsaw massacre and he was influenced for Psycho Norman Bates. So I think if he hadn't been influenced for those three like he would have been a state legend much like Alfred. Packer was. Yeah I think if our Packard had had some sort of a movie or some sort of famous character model left and we would have heard about him because I hadn't heard about him until you brought him up also say because he's been they Colorado hogs this guy he's he's one of their legendary are notorious people. Yeah so yeah they keep his legend there for tourism. Say they're not gonNA spread him. Can you hear about Al Flight Hiker? No New York but why not because then people wanna go visit true crime buffalo and go and visit and Sal Arado and say and say Shit. Yeah people go and travel to Wisconsin all time to see jeans Farm near will they can't so I mean Colorado you need to get your hatch. Ask Packer more. I guarantee you get true. Crime fans up there visiting spending their tourist dollars and strengthen your economy and this is not a political talk show no they just smoke a lot of dope brother even more allowed. You will get even more tourists up there to smoke your dope and check out your true crime after packer. Yeah kits. River raft is some Kampen. You go you know. We do a little ghost hunting for some Alfred Packer victims and smoke some weed. That's right that's right. That's right well. This was a lot of fun Thanks again James for taking the reins on this one yes sir..
"alfred packer" Discussed on State of Fear Podcast
"For commercial play and all this stuff sells all right and with that. Let's go and get to the story of the day. James Take it away now. The reason we swap places this week like I said Colorado is near and dear to my heart. I grew up here. I was born here in. Houston I was raised up there so when we when we came around to Colorado said on this one. I'm sorry I'm Michael Jackson. Ut Tokyo I'm driving miss do it? I'm driving this bus. Our right title this article is Alfred Packer. In the remains of his victims in the winter of eighteen seventy four. Alfred Packer was hired to lead a group of prospectors through the San Juan Mountains from the winter camp site of Chief. Your Ray located near the Present Day Delta Colorado which is a pit. I'm sorry it is if anybody from Colorado my friends and listening I'm sorry but Delta slacks. I used to hate to play football there. This turned out to be a particularly harsh winter in the lake. Fork drainage area deep snowdrifts and Subzero temperatures slowed. The party supplies soon ran out while game was non existent according to Alfred Packer and there were no fish to be found in the frozen over streams and lakes which was telling Chris earlier as bullshit. Sorry ice fishing is very good in Colorado. So this this fools lamb by the time the men had reached the foot of slum Gullion Pass. The men had even chewed the leather from their boots. Do Remember hearing this. They were eating their clothes because there was nothing to eat. They're eating their saddles And I do believe they even slaughtered a pack mule. Awhile because you know the old days when you're traveling net from Delta to this tour slum Gullion is yeah that seventy eighty miles in the old days. Seventy eighty miles in the snow is a week. That's a week to two weeks travel and you talk and seven eight. You know so. They going to eat something. I'm sure back. In those days. They went up hill with no shoes. Right it was crazy. That's right I did. Starvation was upon them. What was a man to do to survive? In the winter of eighteen seventy four six weeks later packer appeared alone at the Los Pinos Indian agency near so watch this another reason. I wanted to read this story because all these crazy Colorado names and you'd be like Gucci. It town call so watch. That's about fifty miles away from fifty sixty miles away from Lake City. Okay so sticking about six weeks travelling alone okay there. He told the sad tale of losing his fellow miners in a snowstorm. Buddy seems so well fed and and was spending money freely from several wallets well-fed Yep. The story began to unfold when strips of human flesh found unfold. My as they went in there they literally went to his horses. Chang Matt and Hound Strips and Chunks of human flesh any Alabama while. I do remember that they had apparently been murdered and showed and then showed evidence of being cannibalized. Nice that's still. Yep Packer escaped and was at large for many years. When he was captured he was tried at the Hinz Dale County courthouse which still stands today in his in my hometown of Lake City and he was found guilty of murder. He was sentenced to be hanged on. May Nineteenth eighteen eighty three but won a new trial in gunnison where I went to high school is also yeah there. He was convicted of five counts of murder and was sentenced to forty years in the state penitentiary at cannon city. Now the problem is they're actually seven liners with him. Okay so I don't know I only got five counts. Who knows? Packer never accepted blame for murdering all five of his companions. There were more but he did admit to shooting and killing Wilson Bell South Israel Swan. The oldest member of the Party died of natural causes stated packer and he was cannibalized by surviving members of the Party. That was one of them now. I know he admitted to that one. I remember hearing about it. They just basically had no choice. There was nothing to eat. Yeah and I think he had He was they were thinking about bringing him. I think they had his body with them. They dislike cut his legs off or something. And that's why he wasn't convicted of a Wilson Bell because it was defense so defense and it's two. Oh they claim Denver Post columnist polly pry launched a crusade on packers behalf. He was paroled in nineteen zero one and spent his final days near Littleton. Colorado outside of Denver Packer died in April nineteen zero seven after suffering a stroke and he is buried in the cemetery at Little Toe. National attention was focused on Lake City. The summer of nineteen eighty nine as a team of archaeologists and forensic experts on earth the grave of five men who had been murdered one hundred fifteen years earlier and I know exactly where the spot in the they have it preserved fence. He'd been actually go down. Oh Yeah Nice. It's right there outside Lake City. When you drive in from slum going pass you come down okay and there's a little ranch right there it's on private land but they have it they have it preserved and you can't get down to it if you want to cool. I want to go something. Yeah I am going to do that one of these days for sure. Did Packer kill all five of his companions and then live off their flash for weeks yes they kill each other no or would the scientists find nothing beneath a memorial boulder which which lists the names of those unfortunate men? James Humphreys Frank Miller got hope. I wish it was the Frank Miller. That wrote that Bullshit Batman Superman crap. What the movie of the comic. Both I hate that for the comics. Great movie sucked now. I Hate Frank Miller Jackass anyway. But that's just my personal opinion. Sorry for George. Moon Israel Swan and Wilson Bill in the summer of nineteen eighty nine. A team led by doctor. James Stars of George Washington University exume the bones of the victims for a scientific study at the human identification lab in Arizona. They concluded that the bones did show evidence of cannibalism and violent deaths. He actually had pickaxe them to death. Holy Shit Yeah. He uses his reminders so he uses mining tools to kill them. Wow holes in the skulls things like that damn see. That's what's cool about the store. I'm into this because this is like me growing up. This is part of my life. Also I think new band name holes. In the skulls holes in the skulls goals nice the remains were then returned to Lake City and reinterred on fifteenth and a multi-denominational service the bones from each skeleton replaced in one of five compartments and a single wooden box camp. The remains of these five prospectors again rest peacefully on the bluff overlooking the lake fork. All right now I will say this the grave when they exhumed it is only a mere feet deep. He had barely covered them with dirt. That okay that amazes me because they buried him in eighteen eighteen hundreds and he only buried 'em too deep yet in one hundred years. The soul did not erode enough to where it was exposed. That's crazy we'll because first of all they're When when it freezes in Colorado the ground is like concrete so the reason it was only about two feet dis probably as as much as he could manage the dig surprised animals in dig him up to very deep. Yeah you would think bear or something crawling back because bears like dead meat. They don't like to kill. I know that sounds odd. But it's true. They are scavengers right than they are. Killer Schiffer Salmon there the salmon. They fucked him salmon. Yeah The article continues the facts concerning the Alfred packer trial between November eighteen. Seventy three in January eighteen seventy four. Alfred Packer traveled with a party of Twenty one men from Utah to chief. Your as camp outside of what is now Montrose Colorado. Which is the first town. I lived in when we moved their little. So this is like holy crap this memory lane going back packer and five other men from the party left you raise camp and early February bound for the LAS PENAS agency about thirty five to forty miles. Northwest of Swatch. Packer was the only member of the party to appear at the agency. On April sixteenth. Eighteen seventy four while there. He gave his first confession regarding the death of his companions. He was placed in jail from which he would escape with assistance in early August. Nine years passed before packer was captured near Fort Fetterman Wyoming in March of eighteen eighty. Three he then made his famous second confession about this. I had heard an alternate start of this okay. That he went to the grave denying that he murdered his guys. I have heard several versions. But one of the stronger stories. He to his dying day You know he confessing. Neat are he. Professed that he never killed these guys packers. First trial occurred in the upstairs courtroom of the Hillsdale county courthouse during the first two weeks of April eighteen. Eighty three he was found guilty. His conviction was reversed however on October thirtieth eighteen eighty five and a second trial took place in gunnison. Yes and eight and I can't help it. I'm loving this in August of eighteen. Eighty six at that time. He was sentenced to forty years and the Colorado penitentiary in January nineteen. O One governor Thomas Parole Packer. He moved to the Denver area where he remained until his death. On April twenty third nineteen o seven damn healing got six more years of freedom. Ha Six more years. Wow he was in there for a while. Yeah he was he. He actually had a huge following of people that were supporting him. For some reason uh-huh yes. He had friends and stuff like that and I guess he had a decent reputation before he struck out with these people as a fairly decent guy when he was out there. I guess you know even the best men. It comes time desperation. You know like I said the eight to one dead. Some of it right you know. He died eight him up And then they're out again and are starving to death. Yeah I mean they're out there for weeks in dead cold very little supplies. You Know Sat. Eat something easy something. Yeah and then he went to work. And you know Do I think he actually did it? Yeah I do Like I said there was too much there was too much evidence. But then again also like the they said evidence of cannibalism. Yeah the bones and the ground for that long. We're talking one hundred years and a shallow grave. Yeah could have been fiddled with and just you know 'cause At years after years of dirt flowing right then again And that's like I say because they exhumed them And they said there's evidence cannibalism Blah Blah Blah. John Violence. You know it could have been. They could've been chewed on by animals before he managed to bury them. I think forensic scientists can tell difference between a animal by human by them again. I don't think he was holding. Somebody's FEMUR and chomping down flesh from there. They said flesh. But I'm thinking more muscle. But they they found strips of flesh on him so in his saddlebags and that's a hint and a half year is yeah. He's eighteen hundred. Jeffrey Dahmer. You know I mean you know in the Colorado eighteen hundreds. It's still sort of a It's UNA- wild unexplored territory it. It's very Solarz. It's it's very dense. I mean it can you can. You can get lost. You can get stuck. I mean the Dahmer Party had the same issue. Exactly you know to this day. Lake City is the only city the only town in the entire Hillsdale county. Okay that is the largest county in Colorado and it was the least populated while I live there as a kid. Two hundred people in Colorado was the indigenous Population Colorado's a pretty famous state. I mean things about five or six hundred now year round and it swells. I mean there's a lot of house up there I have a house up there. Yeah and so but yet spread way out but back then there was nothing just literally fifty miles one way to creed which is the other way which is another mining town. Okay and then the other ways fifty something fifty five miles to gunnison which they mentioned in the story either way on the other ways. Same thing and if you're caught in.
"alfred packer" Discussed on WSB-AM
"Song daily, it's called. That's pretty cool. Yeah. Very cool. Thank you for sharing that, Catherine. We're talking about Vince Dooley. Getting duly stadium are duly field at Sanford stadium. Hopefully will be approved this September WSB sports director. Jay black will join us next half hour to describe the Macintoshes is gonna take to make that official. But I can't imagine it won't very cool honor. Have you ever had something named after you? Or what would you like to be named after you again? I wanted the handicapped stall on the first floor here WSB radio. That's my home base dead. Green wants a concert venue or Wembley stadium. Tavern. Now, the tabernacle the green Akyl this year, the green ebonic. Yeah. What would you like to be named after you four zero four eight seven zero seven fifty one eight hundred WSB talk. Mike's in Loganville. Mike, welcome the Mark Arum show. Hey, Mark up. You guys are all doing well. Excellent. Sarah about you. Oh, just living the dream. Hey, man, brother. So almost I don't want to share what one named after me after that story about the flower. But I will anyway. Okay. I thought it would be hilarious to have either virus something along the lines of MoMA. Oh, like an TD. Well, you can only pick one. Do you want the virus? Do you want the TD? Yeah. I would agree to an Email people might not die from the TD. The virus the killer virus could be. I don't that's an honor. Maybe we should name viruses after evil people. Like what what did he die from? Oh, he had Hitler. You know? What what what's that rash? Oh, it's Mussalini. You know that way, you know, that you always have the negative connotation with those bad people. What's what's that growing internet? Let's John Hinckley like just that's how we should do things from now on me bolo or e-coli knows what the hell that means. But if you know people would vaccinate their kids, they called him measles. What is your kid? You didn't vaccinate your kid for Hitler? You know? I think that would work. Yeah. Kim's in Johns creek, Kim. Welcome to the Mark Arum show. Hi name names. And this is out west at the university of Colorado and boulder. I think the only person Colorado ever convicted of cannibalism. Oh my goodness. He he was this is from the late eighteen hundreds and he in poor other guys got trained it up in the mountains the Colorado in a snowstorm, and he's the only one who emerged from it. So what did they name after a burger they named the student union krill? So it's called the Alfred Packer memorial grill. No way you lying. I'm not lying to look it up. That's look at dead. Fact checker live on the show. That's what we do in the market. So we do live fat checking. L S E R. D hacker Alfred Iraq or Yogi dubbed gives you the thumbs up. It's legit. Hot. Twist. Very twisted. I thought it was twisted naming a burger after him. But they did they did a whole restaurant four zero four eight seven zero seven fifty one eight hundred WSB talk traffic.
"alfred packer" Discussed on KQED Radio
"Likes filing your taxes. That's why a lot of us wait until the last minute. But back when way more of us filed by mail that procrastination led to something kind of youthful parties at the post office on tax day that was a video you just heard by the way, courtesy of the Alfred Packer memorial string band. Steve Mason is a member performed on tax day for decades. It was a huge deal for us around here. It was a like a an extra national holiday and not just in Lawrence Kansas on tax day horns of last minute. Filers would descend on post offices around the country somewhat even sit on the floor and do their taxes with a pen and calculator companies saw this as a marketing opportunity one year in Atlanta and New Orleans Popeye gave out coupons for its new poboy in LA in Chicago Westin. Hotels rolled out mattresses onto the sidewalk. Manned by employee's in robes in New York Snapple since somebody in a giant banana suit to hand out samples of its new drink called, go bananas. And then also in New York. There was playboy were Mike Nagel was a marketing executive in the nineties. We give out postage stamps. We'd have them chocolate because chocolates stress reliever we'd even give out Tylenol and playboy playmates would give shoulder massages to taxpayers and exhausted postal workers. You know, we'd get a couple of questions like what is playboy to tax day when we'd explain it. And what we're doing a stress relief promotion. Kind of put a smile on people's faces. Protesters would show.
"alfred packer" Discussed on KQED Radio
"Likes filing their taxes. That's why a lot of us wait until the last minute. But back when way more of us filed by mail that procrastination led to something kind of beautiful parties at the post office on tax day that was a video you just heard by the way, courtesy of the Alfred Packer memorial string band. Steve Mason is a member performed on tax day for decades. It was a huge deal for us around here. It was a like an extra national holiday and not just in Lawrence Kansas on tax day horns of last minute. Filers would descend on post offices around the country somewhat even sit on the floor and do their taxes with a pen and a calculator companies saw this as a marketing opportunity one year in Atlanta and New Orleans Popeye's gave out coupons for its new poboy in LA in Chicago Westin. Hotels rolled out mattresses onto the sidewalk. Manned by employee's in robes in New York Snapple sent somebody in a giant banana suit to hand out samples of its new drink called, go bananas. And then also in New York there was playboy where Mike Nagel was a marketing executive in the ninety s we give out postage stamps. We'd have them chocolate because chocolates, a stress reliever we'd even give out Tylenol and playboy playmates would give shoulder massages to tax payers and exhausted postal workers. You know, we'd get a couple of questions like what is playboy of to tax day. When we explain it. And what we're doing a stress relief promotion. Kind of put a smile on people's faces. Protesters would show up to..
"alfred packer" Discussed on WNYC 93.9 FM
"Nobody likes filing their taxes. That's why a lot of us wait until the last minute. But back when way more of us filed by mail that procrastination led to something kind of beautiful parties at the post office on tax day that was a video you just heard by the way, courtesy of the Alfred Packer memorial string band. Steve Mason is a member performed on tax day for decades. It was a huge deal for us around here. It was a like a extra national holiday and not just in Lawrence Kansas on tax day horns of last minute. Filers would descend on post offices around the country somewhat even sit on the floor and do their taxes with a pen and calculator companies saw this as a marketing opportunity one year in Atlanta and New Orleans Popeye gave out coupons for its new poboy in LA in Chicago Westin. Hotels rolled out mattresses onto the sidewalk. Manned by employee's in robes in New York Snapple since somebody in a giant banana suit to hand out samples of its new drink called, go bananas. And then also in New York there was playboy where Mike Nagel was a marketing executive in the nineties. We'd give out postage stamps. We'd have them chocolate because chocolates stress reliever we'd even give out Tylenol and playboy playmates would give shoulder massages to tax payers and exhausted postal workers. You know, we'd get a couple of questions like what is playboy to do a tax day when we'd explain it. And what we're doing a stress relief promotion. Kind of put a smile on people's faces. Protesters would show.
"alfred packer" Discussed on Last Podcast on the Left
"Messed up as far as how foster was thinking. There was another thing that Brown talked about an indifferent stars was how humans turn feral. And this happens a lot in, you know, places where food is very scarce like in like the siege of Leningrad people started eating children. I, they started eating anything. It's like it's one of those things where you know you watch a post apocalyptic movie and you wonder, it's like, wow, I how all those people Farrell like, how do they actually get to that point, there's actual science behind that. People act like that. Once you take everything away from group of humans, society and any sort of societal norms completely break down and we turn into the most dangerous animals on the planet. All right. But after foster suggested that they eat the grave sisters fucking Eddie stepped in again. Okay. Drew a knife and said that he would kill foster if he didn't fuck and drop it nice. That's one verse. The story, the other versions, even worse. The other version says that foster even went so far as to lure Marianne away from the camp. So he could kill her before foster stop them. Here. Debra. Said. It's me. Everybody loves me. Ramana. Oh, come over here, married. Not gonna eat you with my. Do out here considering how weak everyone was. It was probably more likely that foster just suggested it and Eddie like weekly pulled out a knife is a moth can stab, you say anything else? Okay, right. So everyone is very weak. Everyone's very, yeah, but eventually foster would get his murder. Although the victims would not be in their immediate group couple of days after the murder threat, the party by chance ran into Luis and Salvador. They were doing the if it was teaching Chong behaving at they have since found a pine cone that they're smoking. Having a great time with bigoted like women that they think are big tinted women, but it's just clods of dirt. Stories various to how it all went down. Some say the party came upon Luis and Salvador lane by a stream too weak to move near death. That said that since they were near death foster took out his Flint lock and shot both of them in the head. All right. The others say that Luis and Salvador who were me walks by the way. I mean, these guys, they knew the land and even if they didn't hope land, they sure as hell knew how to survive on it. So it's possible. They're doing just fine and we're killed as healthy men either way, foster murdered them. And that night they all dined on their organs. Oh goodness. Ironically, though it was actually a native American tribe who saved the forlorn. Hope. Of course, of course it was. Alfred Packer yet they folk and killed Louis solved, or they immediately butchered them up and they were. They were cooking them and eating immediately, and then they wandered into the camp of the minute, tribe with the fucking their bodies of the me walks. Who were there like allies, backpacks while they're being taken care of. Two days after they killed Nate Luis and Salvador, they just wandered into the camp. It seems like they never did they ever have to eat people? Yes. Okay. They did. Because this point it seems like they're always like two days away from. They did. They needed some sustenance if they were going to survive. Because remember there in the extreme cold are calories are getting burned very quickly. And also, I mean these people, the amount of physical energy that they're exerting, like it's not hiking. They're climbing mountains, right? Like they're climbing up straight, cliff faces. They're going down there walking through craggy rocks like this is not a third. It's not point eight a. point. B. it's point. Eight point cedar, point light, it's there is no straight line here. These people are doing horrific work. You know what I'm going to say. They could use a chocolate mint, cliff bar really, really tasty. I don't live in adventurous lifestyle when they got to the camp..
"alfred packer" Discussed on Last Podcast on the Left
"No place to escape Tunis who's the lost on the left. Glade cannibalism started. Man, oh man, hungry, you are? No, what it comes down to. It's like, 'cause with the Donner party. Right? Three people. Right? And then they said, like, you know, starvation begins Kerr technically seven, eight nine days after you have eaten. Sure. That's when starvation starts to happen, your muscles skin dissolved, but like I'm hungry now. Right? And like forty five minutes ago. And if there was anything near me, honestly, I would just. So you're saying that you would just aggressively people if you were part of the Donner party with no concept of the fact that you actually look like a Harry Turkey reactive, strike. Make it you like they will just see you stuffed with an apple in your mouth because looking at building a fire, why is all this hearing hypnotic -ly at my this? The last podcast on the left I am Ben Kissel with markets. You say Ben Kissel. Okay. Become Irish. I converted last night. I had just the right amount of Jameson officially Irish. All right. And of course we have had Zabriskie. This story is still haunting me. I feel like a lot of people who are talking about this episode. I mean, like, you know, we do Ciro killers aliens and ghosts, and obviously we'd like to cover many things McLeod on the show. And I think that when we dip in a history, people sometimes forget like when you look back at it again, like upon reading indifferent stars above, it's just nothing but screaming. Yeah, it is the most brutal story we've come across besides the what's at the, the cement bound girl. Remember that Japanese story with the girl that was toward you. The Japanese cheerleader murderer or something like that. Yeah, girl girls unit, seven thirty. One also said that reminded me you saying Japanese reminded me of that as well. That was also pretty horrific history, history episode. But this what we're about to cover now is this is among the most harrowing tales in American history, and there are quite a few harrowing tales in American history. This is gonna get nasty folks, so we are onto it. It's the Donner party part to the bloody conclusion. Well, actually not so bloody because their bodies were completely frozen time. You got to the time. They got to the bodies. They were completely refers the frozen, bloody conclusion. Very good. Thank you. But Alford Packer was another famous cannibal which we kind of talking about like kind of cannibalism in the frontier times. It was actually nothing was common, but happened quite a bit and happened like, Weiss. That's points too many I'm going to say documented. And how many times did it happen? Five to six. Right though. That's a lot of time. Better. It's one time too many times. Okay. Alfred Packer was, we're gonna go to the herald Schecter wrote a whole book about Elford Packer, but it's very difficult to pin down the details of what exactly went down because there was just all we have is Alfred Packer story, but that's a really good thing to look into..
"alfred packer" Discussed on WHAS 840 AM
"Was slated to not only fill out the rest of the. Series but perhaps he was going to take over the entire marble, franchises a director after the final avengers film now he's out of a job over decades old disgusting. Tweets he made while working for trauma now trauma motion pictures I had also. Worked for trauma I was the, voice of the toxic avenger in fact I worked with James Gunn. He made a. Film called Trump Juliet, and then he also made an appearance in toxic avenger for, and he was he was pretty amazing I also interviewed him what. He did the, remake of neither living dead he was very gracious with his time us amazing and he's worked, with, a number of people and he's very like I said he's very gracious with. His time he he's very? Nice he's very straight and? Straightforward and he and he actually helps people he's very generous Most of the people that I've. Met, working in film I'm talking this is independent film okay this is not like I'm some famous movie starts don't think. For one minute that I think myself of that. I'm just a guy who gets bit parts in some films. People think it's cool to have me in their films and I like being, in them and there are a lot of guys that you work with onset and many of you have. Worked with people who are off pudding with their humor they're. Very shocking they're very shocking humor. Makes, me laugh because. I can't believe that people actually. Go to extreme to do that and so. I laughed, at the the shock value. Of it sometimes this stuff is just, completely out of line but of course you know when you're raised on George, Carlin and when you. Know when you're raised on Andrew dice clay and other comedians you tend. To an and of course Howard working know in. Radio knowing about Howard and what he did Trey Parker and, Matt stone from, south park they have a sixth. Sense of humor they. They worked on a movie, for trauma called cannibal the musical about. Alfred Packer who Apparently was a he was a kind of a pioneer of. Sorts he was a a mountain man who actually was accused. Of eating the other guys that he was with then when they got stuck in the, mountains trying to go through Provo canyon and so they did this film called cannibal the musical and a musical about a cannibal and some of the. Humor is really. Kind of off. Putting in kind of weird bizarre but from there they they now have created south park south. Park of course has had a lot of crazy humor in. It and also they got accolades and rewards and. Awards for the, musical book, of Mormon which some believe has some really twisted and sacrilegious humor in it so I guess when you find, yourself working in trauma and working around some people that have like, really opening crazy senses of humor it, gets a, little out of out of line. Sometimes humor is subjective and and using. Tweets, as a weapon to try and destroy someone I think is a very cheap shot As far as James Gonzales tweets he apologized for them years ago and I think, that if everyone who worked in films lost their. Job for saying loathsome things are crazy things are dark things there would be a lot of people they would lose their jobs including every major comedian out there comedians I've known I've. Done stand up hung out with comedians they've had some times where they've had some very. Very low brow or low blow humor which brings us to Roseanne Barr she was fired. For her politics obviously, because we all knew that Roseanne. Was well, we knew, what she was like we knew we knew what. Her character was like how she was as a person we all knew about her, brash humor and again it was perceived racist racist tweet that got. Her fired from ABC because once again she was four fifty one somebody stepped in and said this will not fly put it to, ABC ABC thought it over and bam she was. Fired Roseanne was four fifty one by her employer because the media generated a hate campaign. Against you because of perceived racist statements The people's 451 her not the government the government had nothing to, do with it, that's why she was. Gonna trying to get people fired based..