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Hey, it's Kelly and welcome to the ringer podcast network. True detective is back and the ringers Chris Ryan and Jason Concepcion are guides as you navigate the twisting pathways of season, three's plots themes and characters on the flat circle a true detective after show follow Jason. And Chris as chase down leads explore each episode's, cultural context and discussed true crime cases that mirror the ones in the show. Join the guys live every Sunday night after true detective on the ringers YouTube, Twitter and Facebook pages. I'm Shawn fantasy. And this is the big picture a conversation show about the Oscars. Amanda, we're going to jump right into the big picture. Big picture this week. Problem in the big picture. Do you know what I mean? We are less than six weeks away from Oscar night, and we are doing a new episode to talk about every other award that is happening in the known award season universe right now, they're coming fast and furious last night, we saw the critics choice awards. Let me ask you a question. Have you ever watched the critics choice awards? Rule it out, but I don't have a specific memory. Okay. Okay. On TNT for awhile. I believe it was on the CW last night. Yes. But I think before that I don't know sometimes you pick up an award show from time to time. Jess, you think it up like you would pick up a common cold you carry it with you for a few days here. We are carrying with us on this show this morning. The critics choice awards I don't even fully understand. I haven't honestly investigated. It is obviously a relevant because all of the major figures were there and were receiving awards. And you know, it's interesting because I noted this on Twitter last night last year, sixteen of eighteen major film categories, matched the winners of those categories matched with the Oscars. And so there is some credence to this. There is some maybe some usefulness to this award show, even though I don't really care to watch it. Yeah. I think we should talk a little bit about last year and also two thousand and sixteen seventeen with two years ago. Versus this one. I did you bit of research into the critics choice awards last night. I was just curious. It's apparently decided by two hundred fifty members of the broadcast film critics association. I think I got that. Right. Anyway, why are we not in that group? We are broadcasters talking about film. He knew I was going to see the awards columnists for both the Hollywood reporter and variety are part of the this organization and apparently voted maybe we should be stumping. Yeah. And it otherwise it's mostly kind of local critics and people on radio and local news stations as best. I understood, but there are some general there are few names, I recognized in terms of people who do some sort of journalism about the movies that are being awarded. Okay. Then let me make an addendum. Yes. Critics choice awards is the only award show that matters. That you and I be a part of it in twenty twenty. I mostly just wanted to distinguish from the Golden Globes, which is done by a bunch of people who make up interviews got it. So anyway, I that said I don't really remember it being a huge deal in the Oscar build up before the last couple of years doesn't has never been cited as a bellwether of any kind as interesting to kind of compare and contrast what did you want to note about sixteen seventeen? Well, you know, and this is maybe a more overarching theory, which we've talked about it before. But I think it is important to compare to the winners of all the guilds last year. And that's obviously instructive especially as the makeup of the academy changes every year. I don't think you can go too far back, but I do really feel like this is a little bit of a LA La Land moonlight. I don't think that's a direct comparison. But kind of have you split the splits between comedy and drama and just kind of a lot of the different ways that people are thinking about the movies. It seems like some of those narratives graft onto this year a little bit more than say last year where. Everything was kind of locked at this point in the award season. Yeah. It'll be interesting. I mean, a lot of the acting awards last night, we're very similar to the acting wards at the Globes and last year, you're right, there was this major air of inevitability, particularly around director in the acting awards know, Gary Oldman Francis McDormand Sam Rockwell Allison Janney. We saw them over and over and over again last year, and this year, a kind is starting to feel like Marshall Ali, Regina, king, Christian bale. You know, we're and then now, of course, the most ridiculous aspect of the critics choice awards last night was Glenn Close tying with lady. Gaga men. Have you seen the movie the wife, I have not yet seen way nor nor have I did receive a number of text messages from my father last night. Asking me what the wife was. And then confessing that he thought it was a TV show. So that's where we are very well could be. Yeah. I haven't seen it. Maybe we'll see the wife at some point in the future. Nevertheless, Glenn Close in lady got got tied last night, which y y even have an award show. What are we doing? I mean, I agree. In why even having a fake alward show? Also, do you think that that means that if there were two hundred and fifty members and that it was one twenty five one twenty five or does that mean that there were like they were scattered all throughout the category. And then it just happened to be like seventy two seventy two. I think it's the latter. You know, I have to assume that were some Livia Coleman votes in there. And now I'm wondering whether these two are going to cancel each other out and then Libya Coleman wins at the Oscars. That's my new galaxy brain theory that could happen. We'll have to we'll have to keep a close watch. And we'll have to eventually watch them life to know for sure what we think is going to happen there is there anything else that happened to the critics choice awards. It was notable to you or interesting. Even though I assume you didn't actually watch it in full new. I didn't but Roma winning both best picture and best director was notable. If only because as we said at the end of our last podcast Roman has not in the conversation. We didn't talk about it at all until the very end because it was not eligible for either of the best picture awards at the Golden Globes. And it has been a bit quiet so Roma. One all of the critics association or critics board awards at the end of last year. But this is it's I kinda glitzy award show big win. Yes. And I think that that is of note it is it's going to be very interesting to see how that plays. Because obviously a critical body is significantly different from the academy. Sometimes it in it influences, it sometimes it informs it. Sometimes it does not I suspect will be talking about Romo a lot more in the future. Let's talk a little bit about the guild nominations. I think all of which are out in the world. And some of this includes of the smaller guilds like editors and Tigers. But we're going to focus primarily on the big ones, which are the producers guild the directors guild the writers guild in the Baptist, which is sort of the British Oscars. You know, the PGA's the producers guild is always a very interesting group of nominees. It usually gets pretty close to what the best picture nominees are going to be that these awards are given up pretty soon January eighteenth, and let's just go quickly through the nominations. Okay. So this. For the the Daryl zanuck award for outstanding producer of theatrical motion pictures, Black Panther, black klansman bohemian, rhapsody, crazy rich, Asians, the favorite green book, a quiet place Roma a star is born and vice you you noted I think a couple of weeks ago that this particularly tends to highlight successful films, which I think explains why crazy rotations and a quiet place, or they're movies that I don't think are ultimately going to make it to the big show. But do you think that a producers guild, which does you know has some ha has a reasonable amount of crossover with best picture winners? Do you think that will be signal some sort of like moment, momentous bellwether? I think it depends on what if bohemian rhapsody Wednesday, the producers go, then we're in trouble crazy town. And I think that that's in the realm of possibility because again bohemian rhapsody is just a tremendous success. It has made a ton of money. And I think as you've noted people really the producer of bohemian rhapsody is really loved. Within is loved within the circle. So people do like to boat for their friends and people like to vote for a people they wanna see succeed. So in that sense if human rhapsody ones, we're in trouble. I think if green book wins were in trouble because that suggests that many of the green book controversies, which we're going to discuss later on and I is my summary. But that's suggests that people are not paying a ton of attention to them. Yes. Do again devoting PA probably happened before the latest round of nightmares. So I don't think it's a total total referendum. But you know, it's not great. We don't want to see that outcome shortly after the the producers guild awards, we'll have the directors guild. There's this February second here the nominees for that award. Bradley Cooper, Alfonso Koran. Peter Farrelly, Spike Lee and Adam McKay, no women as usual, and you know, the DIGI is. The most likely to sort of indicate not only the best picture, not only the best director winner at the Oscars. But the best picture winner. I'm very very very interested to see what happens here. I think if Cuaron wins this award, they're going to the mountaintop. And if he does not then I'm I won't really have much of a sense at all what's going to happen. I don't think Peter fairly can win this award. If he does strap it on in much the same way that we need to kind of strap it on if bohemian rhapsody wins the PG as than then it means we're in upside down a little bit. You know, these these bodies are interesting because there are just much smaller. They're much smaller groups, I want to talk a little bit about the WG as I attended a WG a screening and moderated a conversation with Ryan Kugler and Joe Robert cold this weekend for Black Panther. And it was interesting. It was a fairly small crowd. But it was a very engaged crowd. And that's what a lot of these guild screenings are like, that's what a lot of these smaller groups, it's very similar with the foreign film, a group that ends of nominating films. These are very tightly knit groups. So we talked we think of. Eight thousand people in the academy. We don't realize that maybe only two hundred people will be voting on the nominations in certain categories and the directors guild as an is always a fascinating bellwether to me because it's still the most white and still the most male and still the oldest in many cases. And so whether Peter fairly has an opportunity to sneak in here, I don't know as you said, we'll talk a little bit more about green book, the one thing. I do want to note about these awards is that a star is born is by far the most recognized film by every craft guild. It has been identified by the editors cinematographers, the WJ the DJ the PGA all the way down the line. People think it has great songs. Great costumes as great production design. It hasn't won anything really at all. But it's not going. It's in the it's in everyone's mind, in some way is not being overlooked in any in any way aside from not winning actual awards. What do you think that means? It's a great question. I think some of it is just this idea that I think we all thought that a star is born was gonna sweep stars born was gonna win everything that was the how we started award season. And so you get into the mentality of okay? Well, a star is born we'll wind best picture. So I can nominate someone else for the directing or I cannot, you know, recognize him other performance because it'll be handled in this. And there's a lot of just responsibility shifting in terms of. Oh, I'm sure it will win everything. So I don't have to advocate for it. And I think that's certainly hampered it in every award show. We've seen this far because it doesn't want anything besides shallow. And I think also there is something to it's really well rounded movie, it does everything extremely well. And that's part of its power where it's just kinda like, oh, this is you did it you made an old Hollywood movie and it fits together. And as a result certain aspects, whether it's an amazing performance or the script or the, you know, the music. Does stand out, but beyond that people aren't really isolating it because you don't have to you can accept it wholesale. And when you divide awards up, which we do at the guilds and also in the context of the categories, I think at suffering because people aren't hanging it in specific terms. It's just a perfect package. So it's being penalized for that. Which is unfortunate. Yet reminds me of your most people movie like the social network, I feel like it was very similar in that way. Which we talk about all the time. It's kind of the one of the great overlooked best picture winners of the last ten or twenty years, which was sort of. It was a big hit in this mold sort of one hundred and fifty million dollars two hundred million dollar, mold very likable movie stars had a lot of pop moments a lot of memorable things as you know. You know, it's cool a billion dollars a sort of the shallow of this year. And it didn't win best picture. I think for the exact reason that you're talking about which is was sort of like, it's really good. You know, it's really good. And I like it. But it didn't it didn't change the mental makeup of anybody in the academy's so meaningfully and now we look back on it. And we're. Like, it's really strange that that movie didn't win best picture. I suspect we're driving towards the direction here a little bit. You know, I have a lot of feelings about what aroma win would mean. Maybe we should save them. Yeah. February twenty fourth anything else. You want to note about the gills? I mean, these things are rolling out essentially over the course of the next month and they're kind of like boring award season stuff. But also, they mean a lot for what happens at the Oscars. Can we talk about this aga- warts and the sag awards drama that is happening right now. Yes, is this is really this is great sag after which is the actors union released a statement day that I won't read all of it. But quite strong language, and they are really pissed off that the academy is trying to prevent actors from presenting at the sag awards. So that they can present at the academy and people will be excited to see them because I haven't seen them all award season. And let let me just read this one highlight. Which is we have received multiple reports of these activities and have exp. -perienced firsthand. The academy's graceless pressure tactic and attempts to control the awards show talent pipeline. Now, let me say one thing this is what unions do. Okay. So respect to that. But otherwise fam-, no, go home. This is you are just whining about a ward season presenters. This is the most accurate stuff in history, by the way, you know, that it's a bunch of people being like my spotlight. How dare they know losing. You're losing this is bad. This is quite a take. It's interesting because we've talked a lot about of plummeting ratings for the Oscars. We don't talk about the plummeting ratings for things like the sag awards. Those are on into. Yeah. Who cares? Yeah. I mean, I get it. You know, the sag awards wannabe special. Everybody wants to be special. We're hearing a podcast we wanna to be special. Amanda, you know, look at us. We have good ideas or presenting the best possible awards of the year, who cares about the Oscars are incomes. I, you know, they're not they're wrong. That's not true. Historically, the Oscars matters more calling the outskirts graceless is hilarious. Amazing. I mean, whoever wrote this you have a future in writing, it's any areas speeches. Yes. Get at us. Get at the ring. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't I don't think this really is going to matter in any in any. Meaning I just thought it was funny. And I also I would just like to say they're not divest nominations of the bunch. I believe that they overlooked Regina king. So I don't know. I don't think that you get to issue any sort of outrage statement if you didn't manage nominate two Regina king for Bill street Qatar. I think automatic disqualifier it's fascinating. I mean, maybe that means that Regina king won't win. And we won't have that. Chalk we talked about at the top of the show hard to say the zag awards are a little bit strange and always have been a little bit strange. We will be watching and talking about them which I believe is not next weekend with the following weekend. We'll have an episode shortly after that to talk about whether or not the sag awards brought any more grace than. Let's just talk very quickly about the Baptist the Baptists. As you've noted in the past are similar to the Golden Globes in that they often reflect sort of what an international body thinks of American movies. And what they think is meaningful in the world. We'll just hocus specifically I'm best film, the five nominees for best phone from the Baptist are black klansman the favourite green book Roma and a star is born. I think that these are the top five movies in the Oscar race right now vice bohemian rhapsody and a couple of other movies are kind of on the outside looking in Black Panther. I don't see a ton of new information here. I also feel like the favorite is going to win because it's the as but if something like green book wins be afraid of green book win at the Oscars. Because just because it's the Baptist. Doesn't mean. There isn't any crossover on these bodies there. Plenty of people that vote for the Baptist that also vote for the Oscars. Somebody like Gary Oldman, for instance, who has an Oscar winner also is likely to vote for the Baptist as an English citizen, or at least a former English citizen. So any any gut reactions? To these five green book in this group is playing the role of movie that explains America to an international audience black clansmen, and it's also doing that and happy see black when they are. And I hope that it wins instead of green book if Greenberg wins in this context, it is not as much of a red flag to me as say the Peter Farrelly winning the DJ just because there is that distance. Even though there is some voting overlap, you know, again, Regina king not nominated. So that's a good litmus test for me, if you can't get that in your nomination set for supporting actress than I am not really taking you seriously. And you know, we'll see next week. Whether the academy manages to get it together. I suspect they will. We will see January twenty second was when the Oscars are the Oscar nominations are going to be announced will, of course, be here immediately after that announcement for show before we move onto stock up sock down. Let's just talk very quickly about the hosting situation at the Oscars. So much has transpired since we left. Spoke. Amanda, Chris, and I talked a little bit about this on the big picture last week. But very briefly the whole Kevin Hart thing went belly up. There was a fascinating interview with him on fresh air last week. I would encourage people to check it out kind of really interesting Ted a Ted between he and Terry gross. Who thought asked very probing questions found ways to draw him out. I thought I'll actually a lot of what he had to say was interesting, and he wasn't shooting himself in the foot as many times as he had. He got actually closest I thought to the complications that so many comedians in the twenty first century or facing, which is this idea that for twenty years they've been raised to think that edginess and pushing the envelope is the core element of comedy. And that when you remove that you remove something fundamental about comedy, whether that's true or not this isn't a comedy podcast. I don't we don't have to indicate that. But I think that was kind of a fascinating end point. They got beyond the nonsense of should I have apologized. Should I host the Oscars? You know, all this stuff that, you know, we talk about and is interesting, but as ultimately frivolous, and they were getting it some bigger idea. So if you haven't listened to that I would encourage you to do. So, you know, Kevin Hart officially said he's not coming back. So may this be the last time we say the words Kevin Hart on the show. Is that fair? I'm sure it won't be okay. You know, I'm there's always the chance that he shows up at least for five minutes on the telecast, especially if they don't have a designated host. Yes. Everything that you were just talking about about comedy and change and apologies there. There are a lot of big issues and things to talk about in the Kevin Hart scandal on the other side. It is just a illustration of people just not knowing how to do basic PR, and like not knowing how to handle a situation, and there are so many times when this could have been fixed and handled so much better on both the part of Kevin Hart and the academy and no one has figured that out. So that doesn't make me hopeful for the next six weeks in terms of everyone suddenly understanding the nuances, and or just having common sense about how to handle themselves in public heart. Struck me, particularly as somebody who had been living in a bubble for ten years riding on a bullet train of success. I mean, he really his rise from stand up comedian to one of the most important actors in Hollywood was media. Yorick, and you can see the he's making a lot of money now. And he's got a lot of people working for him. And he's in total charge of his thing. And ultimately that backfired on him because you can see he was calling a lot of the shots on this stuff. Yeah. And it didn't really work out that well, it's interesting where he got to I suspect that he probably did alternately. Learn something about himself in the way to talk in the world, and how other people feel and he also probably still feels frustrated by the what he perceives as a mob mentality on social media. And elsewhere is just an interesting test case, it was a relevant moment in the history of award shows. And hopefully, we're moving a little bit past that I will note that the number one movie at the box office this weekend was the upside the Kevin Hart, Bryan, Cranston drama, and that signals to me quite clearly that even though this was a movie that was buried and made almost two years ago. They're still just a huge Kevin Hart fan base and people are not abandoning Kevin Hart in any in any way. I think that's true. And this is also something that I want to talk more about when we get to green book and. That whole mess is just to me. It also illustrates that the whole world is not on the internet, and the things that we are discussing and that we feel are so established within the world of this podcast and the internet and critics, and it's a very large group of people who feel on one page, and that is not Representative of all of America all of the world. Even all of the voters, not all of this information. Even makes it to them not everyone has a Twitter account. So I do think some of it is just there are people who knew the Kevin Hart was going to host. And then they knew that he wasn't going to host. And that's about it. I agree. The one thing that everyone has in common is that they've all seen vendors Infinity war, which is why I think the Oscars wants the vendors to assemble to host the show sort of Chris, and I talked about this a little bit last week. I suggested this in a slack channel. Yeah. It was going to say weeks ago, you did predict it maybe I should have shared it. Maybe I should have emailed. John bailey. President of the academy and say, hey, man, you've got an opportunity for tremendous center. You know, this is an ABC Disney venture Disney's most valuable property in the world is the avengers. We've got a new vendors movie coming in April, or may maybe just put all those people on stage together and get people excited about watching your award show, whether they can actually convince I dunno Chris Evans, who doesn't even seem to want to be a part of superhero movies at all anymore to do something like this TVD. Maybe if they keep the requirements low since say, yes, but Chris Evans does want to be a part of making the world a better place through. So you told Chris Evans that he can go on stage and talk about you know, what Kevin Hart said that was wrong and give people hope and whatever and Chris Evans is going to be onstage in a talks, which frankly. Okay, by me. Yeah. I mean, there's some complexity there. Lord, I used to come in parts miss but mentioned his last week to there's this. Also, this whole other access of people in the vendors like with the of Chris pine, and Chris Hemsworth, and these very famous people, but there's also like Paul bet ni and Don Cheadle and the guy who voiced ebony maw and Bradley. Cooper as rocky raccoon. I think that this is honestly a good solution. I don't think that you'd ultimately get a great opening number or a monologue of any kind. But would you get is probably a fairly well oiled show full of very recognizable faces that people are engaged with. That's probably all they needed this point. Right. I think so it makes sense to me in my knee jerk. Reaction of like, there's too much superhero staff. I was not wild about it. And then they are essentially the closest thing we have to movie stars right now. And you put them in Texas, or in, you know, nice apparel of their choosing. And have them charming on stage. Which when they're allowed to be charming in the marvel movies is delightful. Yeah. They're you know, let Chris Hemsworth banter for awhile. So it's fine. You know, what else are they going to do yen in history? We had these times where three or four people have hosted the Oscars at any given time and those people are often like Cary Grant. They're very famous actors who represent a kind of warm feeling that viewers have about movies about going to movies, Ellen Degeneres. Was a great Oscars host. But she really doesn't have anything to do with movies. Unless you enjoyed like the nineteen ninety-five comedy, Mr. wrong, which I don't think anyone did. So I think it's a smart solution that probably should have been the first solution. This whole telecast thing has just been a mess like everything that they've done for the last nine months has been what a fiasco. Yeah way. I'm glad it was not the first solution. If only because if they just announced right out of the gate. Okay. Now, it's the marvel Oscars that changes, how is a person who actually is interested in the Oscars and wants to watch them receive it and receive Botha telecast and actually the voting so and I I respect the attempt to acknowledge the Oscars as something separate from the superhero monoculture that we have now I think they probably could have gotten here sooner as a last chance as a as a last-ditch Lucien is pretty good. Yeah. I feel like hopefully, this is where we go because honestly just don't wanna talk about anymore. Like, it's just not that important. And it's not that interesting even relative to the frivolousness of the Oscars in general, and what wins, and we'll talk a little bit more of a best picture shortly. I just I I need them to settle on something and just be done with it. So we can be done with it. Yes. Let's go to our next segment. We're going to go to stock up stocks down. It goes bust. You can make ten to one twenty to one return, and it's already slowly going bust. Man. We'd be remiss if we did not recap green book Pakalitha. You know, a week ago last Sunday green book, of course, won best musical comedy at the Golden Globes. I can't believe it's only been a week is just as that's unbelievable in terms of the the narrative sense, then continue so two particular things have happened in the unraveling of the green book campaign, and then we'll talk about maybe how it's not unraveled. The I is Nick Villalonga who is one of the co writers of the film and also the son of Tony lip Villalonga Vigo Mortenson character in the movie, it was revealed that in I think in twenty fifteen he tweeted something at Donald Trump about seeing Muslim Americans cheering the fall of the towers from north New Jersey. What? Nope. Like come on. This is that is something that you couldn't script. Now. I do want. It's easy for us to just say morally intellectually bankrupt. That's bullshit, right? We don't even have to discuss that the thing that is interesting to me, and I've talked to a couple of people at this last week. Who are members of the academy is was this something that a journalist found or was this something that an award strategist showed a journalist. And does that matter because the idea of campaigning in twenty nineteen is fairly unexamined? There was a piece in two thousand seventeen than in the New Yorker that looked at sort of the modern campaign. That's the last time we saw anything in-depth about how this stuff works. And I'm very interested to know, whether journalists and Twitter have gotten savvier and have almost made it their raise on debt to come in every day and say, I'm gonna get somebody or we're gonna find something about this person. Who did something I don't like or are there? Little birds sharing information. And maybe it's true that both things are happening yet. It seems a little bit of both. I think an important thing to remember in this time line is that we had more or less written off green book until the Golden Globes. And you know, you did point out. There's a chance to could win. It was starting to make more money. It was persistently showing up in the nominations. But we were like this is this has been handled and then on Sunday night at the Golden Globes. It was clear that had not been handled. And it is not surprising to me that the internet's attention was refocused in the way that it often is it is possible that someone sent you know, maybe you should look into the Twitter account, or maybe you should read this interview from the observer in nineteen ninety nine which we'll talk about. But I think it was kind of inevitable. The if the information is out there, and you are the target is on your movie, then someone's gonna find it. Yes. I think that's definitely true more true than it's ever been concurrently or maybe a day or so later and silman at the cut went back. In was reading some interviews with green book director, Peter Farrelly and discovered a profile. I believe in Newsweek from nineteen ninety eight and in that interview, he revealed that he likes to expose himself onset that is sort of a prank. It liked in that we should give him the benefit of the past sense. It was a running joke. Yes. That is detailed. It's both in Newsweek ended observer article from the time Cameron Diaz is asked about it. And quoted in one of the pieces being like, yes, this is the thing that happens. That's when I think she compares it to create a genius, which, you know, this is not Cameron Diaz has responsibility. So we're going to move past that it does one of the articles say that they had the routine worked out, and he estimates. He's done at five hundred times. That's a lot. That's a lot. I think two things can be true at once here. One thing can be true, which is that one thousand nine hundred was a different time. Now, whether or not what he was doing at that time was socially acceptable. We don't have to negotiate that it wasn't socially acceptable. But whether. People would accept it is different. And it's likely that a powerful person in Hollywood who is making hit movies and was doing things that you wouldn't even socially respectable, and they would do them, and then brag about them is not shocking to me. This wasn't like a Gotcha per se. But it was it was more of an underlining of how different things are now to me Peter fairly very quickly came out and apologized for his actions. I didn't realize at the time that what I had done was wrong. Very clearly identifying things have changed. I feel like we're talking about things have changed a lot in context of the Oscars. And in the context of the film industry in the last three or four years, particularly. You know, I don't think this is acceptable. By any means now, it is a little different than saying Muslims were cheering for the fall of the towers on nine eleven which is just like deplorable. But we don't even have to compare the two the thing. I would say I agree with everything that you just said the fairly stories are from twenty years ago. I agree with the idea that things have changed. It is indicative of an relationship to power and success and insulation that. But you know, we can only apply it to the time at hand. But I do think that if you are powerful and successful, and no one has ever told you that you can't do what you're supposed to do that you remain in the bubble. And I think that it's instructive even though it is certainly from twenty years ago, and you can't apply it to the present day, and he did apologize. I think they're both instructive as much as anything. I agree. And it's not as though this were I don't know Stanley, Kubrick or a cure CORUS, solid doing this. It's pure fairly who orients a lot of his humor around exposing oneself. Now that doesn't make it any more acceptable. But it doesn't make it that shocking. I would say. Nevertheless, I feel like green book is fine. I feel like it whether this storm and people don't care like the people who are going to vote for it are not going to change their minds because of this information. Yes, I don't know. I so I think it doesn't affect the nomination that all it came. This came out I believe on Wednesday of Oscar nominations week. And like I said, I just don't think that enough of the academy is online enough to pay attention to this and to react accordingly should segments this show called are you online? That might be useful in in some of these discussions. I do think that really does matter and to your point. I think the people who are online enough to have caught wind of all this information already knew that they weren't voting for green book. And or they knew that they were voting for green book was I think it will be nominated for in in every damn category. I do wonder how it affects the actual Oscar voting because as you point out. There are a lot of people who are just going to vote for this. And there are a lot of people who are just going to not vote for this. And that's changed. You know, I always wonder about the middle snippet of people who just kind of catch something in the New York Times or on the news. And they're like, oh, well, maybe I'll, you know, the impressionable voter, and I don't know we have a couple of weeks, and maybe I don't know whether the block of committed green book voters is large enough on its own to propel it to best picture victory. And I think that this might. Affect some of the casual voters were some of the unexamined voters. If it gets to them in time, we're gonna have to wait and say we're going to know at least about the nomination of about a week from now, let's just go to the big race. Momma look at me. Now, I'm a star. We're talking about best picture. Let's talk about it. A little bit broader strokes. I wrote about it yesterday on the site the pieces essentially about what is what does it mean to be the best picture, which is an amorphous ill defined idea. Our producer Bobby noted that it's very much like MVP in various sports leagues. You know? They're sort of like does it matter. If your team is good or not does statistical glory matter. The same is true of the Oscars about innovation is it about definition of form about performances is it about vision. It's everything it's always been everything just for you. Personally. Amanda, what does best picture mean to you? And what do you think it should be? This is so exciting sill here. A couple of things why you just described as it as best picture being ill defined thing that we don't know. We're always kind of go sheeting it to me on paper in a perfect world. That's really exciting. And that's what the Oscars should be about. Is that everything? That makes it to nominations is excellent in its own way. We jokes a few months ago about the concept of doing best picture like the dog show, which is you know, the best heist movie the best blockbuster the best costume drama. The best something the actual best of each type of movie makes it to best picture. And then you get to talk about what does actually make the best picture. That's exciting. That is why you and I do the jobs that we do. That's why we invest in this up because we think it is actually interesting and matters to talk about what is good, and what is not good that actually never happened because that's not what we're arguing time. It happened with moonlight. And I was like holy shit changed forever. And then the shape of water one. Yeah. I mean, it happens occasionally, I in the piece I cited the apartment as a movie that I thought was really progressive and sophisticated and funny and odd and romantic and dramatic and traumatic and that one in nineteen sixty one. So every once in a while the Oscars comes along on they're like, we're gonna blow your mind with what a sophisticated group of people. We are in what we're going to say is the best thing that we made this year. And then driving miss daisy wins thirty years later, you know, that the Oscars can just do that for me. It is I I wish it were more about where what direction the form was going in. I wrote a little bit about the kind of the concept of what a comic book movie is now to Hollywood, and I can sense a mild rolling of your eyes. But I'm gonna I'm gonna Cape for this. No, I continue. Now, not all come movies are good. In fact, most of them are not good. I would say most of them are mediocre and not terrible. There are some that are terrible. But this year, we had a few that were genuinely great. I would put Black Panther. In the conversation with any of the movies that we spend all this time talking about especially seeing it again on the big screen this weekend, especially talking Ryan Kugler about it at that panel that I moderated I was pretty overwhelmed by how deep I thought it was and how much more it gave me to think about than many other films. And it wasn't just you know. I don't I don't want to denigrate another movie like I don't know shoplifters, which made me feel a lot and think about the idea of family, but that was pretty much it, you know, I had an emotional reaction to it. Put Black Panthers got so many things on its mind. And it really seemed to use a form that people are responding to in movies right now in the same way that people would use westerns or movies about King, Arthur or musicals to say something about humanity and bigger ideas about the world, I thought it was using all that formats a say so much about where movies are going and working amenity is going that seems grin. But I do believe it, and that is what I think the Oscars should reward. I don't think that it really ever has. But it's. Kind of what I wanna see I wanna see and who better than Ryan cooler is this is the future of movies. I just don't think that's a bad thing. Now, whether or not Black Panther is your Cup of tea. I don't know. I always have people in my mentions like every day saying like Black Panthers super overrated, dude. Which finds okay it's overrated. I over rated relative to what it made like a billion dollars. So I don't know what necessarily what over it. In means. You've raised your finger three times while I've been giving this soliloquy. So I will now see the floor to you. Amanda. I was just going to say, and I think this will blow your mind, but I agree with you. What I know still. We've let me easy. Yes. I agree with you. And I think I talked a little bit about what I think best picture should be. But you know, that's in my dream world. So for me best picture. It's two parts. Number one. Is that it has to be like truly great has to be a truly great movie, and you know, me, and you know, that I have quite exacting standards. And I. You just started laughing. So I would say there are probably only three like actually great excellent films in the in the favourite pool. Okay. And they are Roma a star is born and Black Panther. Because each of those movies is as we were talking earlier fully formed knows what it's doing has ideas has performances has the visual component has connected with audiences which is something. I think that we should come back to has had some form of success. But is just also, you know, some of it is just you know, when you see this is a really excellent movie that will stand the test of time. And that's the other thing when I think about best picture, I think about what's the movie that will keep talking about. And part of the reason I was so galled about shape of water last year. And you mentioned this in your piece, but it's I only think about shape of water to think about how no one thinks talks about shave of water. And that doesn't mean that. It's not an excellent well-made film. Eat is technically and impressive, and it has imagination and all of this works of things. But there are a lot of technically proficient imaginative movies that people just don't connect with people or that. We don't reference back where we don't reference back as frequently as say the social network or forking girl. Nominated Preveza picture. Yes. No. You're right. You're right. You know, and likelihood of there being an oral history of the shape of water on its twentieth anniversary. I think is pretty low. That's not an in a movie working girl when it turned thirty last year people came out, and they were like this movie is still means something to me. It's still mean something to the world it was it was a head of its time. But right on time. Yes. And I think that that's what the Oscar should do. They should capture that feeling in the world. So for me, it's less about a referendum on the industry. Even though I think that that is really useful. And I don't think that you can be a great movie without being able to see the future a bit, and knowing what people are going to want for movies, and what works for and we we talked about this a lot rate Bill. Simmons has a big thing of you can't really judge the best picture until five years later. And I think that's true and very insightful. I think we could judge it a bit sooner. If we really tried and put on our hats and that and last year get out or phantom thread or even lady bird would have one above shape of water. But for me, it is, you know, people really do use the Oscars as a guide. Two of what to watch what to take seriously it helped it forms cannons for better or worse. And I don't know for me. It is something that connects with everyone in the people still want to talk about it's instant history yet, it is more people look at the most to indicate what movies worth that time. So when you go back, and you look, and you see that the greatest show on earth Cecil b two mills movie one in nineteen fifty one. Do you think this movie matters? And I mentioned this on the godfather rewatch Ables. I'm in the middle of really stupid project to try to watch every movie that's ever been nominated for best picture. There are a lot of them that I haven't seen there are actually about eleven or so films that won best picture that. I haven't seen many of which came in the twenties and thirties, but I'm trying to watch everything. And the thing that you realize when you watch everything is that a lot of these movies are not good not only are they not good. They're not important. They don't tell us anything. And it's not just that. You know, they've aged poorly or the industry has changed so much. So something doesn't feel as revolutionary now. Certainly I'm willing to acknowledge some of that stuff. But some of this stuff is just like literally. Hollywood Pap like it's just not it's nonsense and a movie like the greatest the greatest show on earth winning indicates what the voters were like in nineteen fifty one. It doesn't indicate what movies were like. And I I wish that that would change that is kind of where my mind is out with this conundrum that I think the academy probably isn't necessarily thinking about but should consider especially as they lean into whether or not they'd bring back the popular Oscar, well, I was about to say can we jump into the popular because I do feel a lot of people will say, we'll just why don't you? That's what the popular esker should before. And my main opposition to the popular Oscar is that it separates it from fiction because to connect with people and have people want to watch your movie is a skill and it's part of making a good movie. And I don't think it should. I do not think best picture should just be a list of technical achievements. That are taught in film school. I get really annoyed at all of the end of your critics were just like here are my list of the aesthetically perfect. Camera angle movies that that are and that take a lot of talent and skill and vision, and I don't mean to denigrate them, but there is more to making a movie than just. Knowing where to put the camera, and I don't want to separate the popular aspect of film from the movie, it should a really great movie should be able to do both. You know? It's funny. You say that because we opened the show essentially talking about the critics choice awards, and I don't think I'd realize one quite how many awards there were. But also how much closer I think it gets to the idea of populist Oscar ceremony because not only did they have the kind of traditional acting categories the traditional editing category. The traditional cinematography like they hit all those technical achievements. But there's also a category for like science fiction. There's a category for horror. There's a category for young rising star all things that over time people like you, and I have said like the officers would be wise to kind of integrate some of these things into its show to get more people interested in its show. I don't think that that hurts the historical nature of the Oscars. In fact, the Oscars is kind of always adding and removing categories. This stuff is really fungible. And I don't really see why the critics. Choice awards should do a better job of representing a year movies than the Oscar should. But in in some ways, I thought that it did. I don't think a quiet place is the best movie. I saw last year. But I think it'd be interesting to identify. What is useful and interesting about a quiet place at the Oscars? Nevertheless, I don't think it will be doing that. Let's just look ahead. Very quickly. So voting close it close today, but the nominations than for the nominations. Yes. Do you think there was any last-minute bids for crazy, rich, Asians or Spiderman into the spider verse perhaps emoji? I mean, isn't Spiderman is that. You're moving in a win your movie. Yeah. You have millions and millions of love it by vast auto is its box office, actually because it was disappointing. I right. It's it's elaine's welcomes way to two hundred million dollars in America. That's great for animated film. Plenty I'm happy for all of you. Thank you phantom. Thread was the surprise number of nominations last year was not recognized by almost any of these groups significantly as we thought it was going to be and then it came through. I had six nominations at the Oscars only one one. But you know, there was there was a recognition of master working at his best known. Whether you think that's Paul Thomas Anderson, Jane Doe day Lewis or Lesley Manville. You can say that there will likely be one surprise. There will be one thing that happens where you're like I didn't see that coming. But it's good. Can you suggest a one surprise for me? I can. And this is really a podcast where I say things that you want to hear, and I don't know how that happened. I can see the hawks. I can yes, let's go to the promised land been shunted aside for months. This is a foolish nece delivering to those of us who are paying attention to award size. God we didn't plan this. He's just yelling hawk okay. Into the Oscars. Where he belongs. No. I mean, he has no chance to win because that category is stacked and Christian bale has been running roughshod over people. But and I think with Romney Malik in their Bradley Cooper in there. It's a it's a tough category. But you know, like who cares if Vigo gets nominated like just get Vigo out of there. We don't need Vigo. You know, what has been interesting actually, raise something in my mind. I was talking to you about this last week to a mood that isn't going away is black klansman and John David Washington, Adam driver or not going away. They're at like every award show. They're getting recognized by every group, and I don't think the black Klansman's gonna win very many husker's. But I do think that it's going to have maybe four maybe even five nominations, which is pretty impressive for that movie. If John David Washington is the reason Ethan Hawke doesn't get nominated though, I ride in the streets. Kaige's say, I don't know if you were watching this closely at the Golden Globes, but no one was sadder about not winning the John David Washington, and even sitting between his parents, one of whom it should be noted as Denzel Washington, and that was a tough that was a tough moment for me. And I thought John David Washington was great in black klansman. I thought his how I found out. I got nominated for a Golden Globe story was foreign away the winner of the Golden Globe out. So apparently his he was at home and his dad came in. And was like oh it sleep in its on. Do you want to come out? And he has this awkward moment with his dad being Denzel Washington about whether they should watch the Golden Globe nominations being announced. And then they did. And then he's nominated and his dad goes nuts and his dad being Denzel Washington. And then he faced with his mom who couldn't be there. 'cause she was additioning for a hamlet in Chicago. So great great storytelling. I would love to have that again at the Oscars. I think it'll be Ethan Hawke just because there are so many actors voting and actors love, Ethan Hawke. I love Ethan Hawke. I would be delighted I really hope. It's Ethan Hawke. Yeah. I also really hope Paul Schrader gets nominated for best screenplay. He won last night at the Grinch who is awards, which I thought was interesting, obviously, I. Forms has been a real critical darling and has not necessarily been a Hollywood, darling. Any other surprises? I don't I don't think. So I mean, I it would be interesting to see a movie that we haven't been talking. Maybe like if leave no trace picks up a couple of nominations. I think that that would be a good thing. That's the kind of thing that the Oscars con con coming out of left field does. We're Thomson MacKenzie gets under for best actress or something or democratic. It's a best director nomination. That'd be wonderful. I don't think it's likely. What else? I don't know. It seems as you wrote in your piece yesterday, it seems to unsettled for a ton of surprises. Just because there are so many movies and play the actor racism, and it seems like Christian bale is a lock Mahershala probably a lack Regina king. But even Jean King has been overlooked a couple places. So we don't totally know a lot of things could happen. I don't know whether any of them would be wildly surprising. I agree. It's going to be very interesting. Please join us next week. Early in the morning. Oh, yeah. And it will be very Chipper very excited to talk about these Oscar nominations, and until then thanks very much. Amanda. Thanks, sean.
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Best Director Front-Runners for 2018 Oscar Race - For Your Consideration
The following program is brought to you by your friends at podcast. One. Don't forget to download our new podcast. One out. Hey, everyone. Movie fans welcome to four your consideration. Collider videos award season show. For the next six months. We are going to be counting down leading up to the big day, the Oscars on February twenty four, two thousand nineteen all the movies that are up and down week to week, movies that are coming and going surprises. New additions, movies that have really staying on top. This week's category. We are going big. We are going to predict the five nominees for best director new. Here's the thing you're thinking. It's only September and we're predicting best director now. Well, this is not the first time we were going to predict best director. We'll do it again. And the category may change the five nominees may change because there are still movies we haven't seen. So today we're picking best director based on what we've seen and based on what we haven't seen. Gene because there some good movies sight unseen. You think maybe those movies really end up in best director for guardless. We are picking best director right now on for your consideration. Collider hashtag. Khader FIC. Okay. Let's start with you Perry, who is I won? I won no. The pressures. Well, this is like having the first pick in fantasy football, isn't it? Go with the obvious one. Actually, I take that back because my number one pick is screwed me over big time, but not here. I'm going with Alphonso corona for Roma. I think I'm willing to go as far to say that this one is a lock. I mean, the reason that we do predictions right now is because tiff gives you enough ammunition to make some real predictions that could hold through the season. But of course, is more movies come out even as their campaigns are continuing on in late December before the nominations happen, things can change. I don't think this name is changing in coming up with my list of predictions it's not just about is is a good movie period. I always liked to think what did that specific director bring to that movie that nobody else could of and Roma's an example of a movie that is just the brimming with passion and his style in that bring something out of that story that I don't think you would have been able to get with any other. I behind the lens. See, I agree. I mean, when it comes to l. fossil Koran and Roma I feel like this. This is a lock, not only is it a lock for nomination? I think as of now, as of slates attempt, I feel like this. He's a front runner. Now, here's the problem with it is only September and Jesse feel like he'll be able to maintain that front runner status for the next six months. I mean, that's a long time. It seems like Oscar season just gets longer and longer each year. Corona. He is the front runner and Roma is a beautiful film. I didn't have them in my one spot, to be honest. I had them in my to spot. He's a lock, no doubt like what he accomplishes with this movie is very impressive. Like it is a true achievement. Especially in terms of capturing time in place, but I imagine that he'll be jostling for position with with the other filmmakers in this category. I don't think anyone is like a runaway, like, you know, he has it in the bag so to speak. Other thing we need to mention is that this is a Netflix film to, and you know, there's that constant conversation of, yeah, Netflix is really getting into the game now more so than ever, but could the fact that its net flix release hurt his chances at all. That's that is an absolutely valid and important question. Now the stigma is still all what's Netflix and like, you know, you had a movie last mudbound you know that that still had a lot of presence during board season, but it was still seeing, oh, but here's the thing. So you know, I agree with you. Kwara bought to this movie. It's not just a black and white film, but there's no score and just like films like children, men in gravity, there are long takes uninterrupted takes, and it is an extraordinary. Unique film. It is Mexico's choice for best foreign language film and feels like a front runner in that category. So will that hurt stances, invest that are talking about this director? And that's what I think. I think that being a foreign language could actually hurt its chances more than being a Netflix film. Like I feel like the Netflix stigma is overblown because Netflix employs half the town like that's true. So I think at foreign language that they could hold that against it, but we gotta wait to see because general audiences still haven't seen Roma. Right, right. And a movie. Again, you're talking about a film date that Wayne movies, peak early. They have to not only stay on the radar, but stay at the front of the pack and two years ago at a telluride Toronto LA La Land premiered, and then this and that was like the front runner status for five months. And then there was like a backlash and then we'll be all know what happened there, but. Okay. So Roma. Alfonso Koran for best director. All right, Jeff. What's I had? My number one position. Okay. Bradley, Cooper, bright. Does number what number? I think stars born is going to be just like to steamroll awards. It is Bradley Cooper world, and we're all just living in it. Wow, you it's really, really that high above damage yoursel above fatherm Iran, we're gonna get to some of those names don't were you're going to get your your few minutes on Dame inches Elba. Yes. I think that. Bradley Cooper, if for sure. Home hitting a home run first time at bat. What do you guys think of his chances? Do you think he he makes the cut. So I have Bradley Cooper on Lila's well, not number one. Obviously not number two. I have him number three. When I look at my list, I consider my one two and three pretty much sure things at this point. And Bradley Cooper is one that I think could move up on my list depending on what happens when stars born hits theaters, which is very, very soon now because part of the reason why I think a star is born above most of the other movies that we're gonna talk about is one of those movies that could ride the wave from the early festivals to release an all the way through to the big night actually winning in kademi award is because it's a crowd pleaser, it's crowd-pleaser that earns every single a heart string tug that it does throughout the movie. And I think that's what's going to keep that momentum going for this particular movie. And I really do think that if I'm just talking about my personal opinion about the movie, Brad. Cooper has an exceptional. I still a standard by what he was able to pull off directing. Look, one of your three, three me metoo he's, he's his third on my list is what we share the same number two. The he is definitely. I think he's a lock now as much as I agree that that he's a locked for best director. I much as I feel like it is a populous film that will ride the, it's getting. It's getting great reviews. It's going to be a massive hit. It's going to sweep the Golden Globes because of the musical comedy category. The only thing against a star is born here is the fact that this is the fourth time the story has been done, and if you know anything about the other versions, I know we talked about this elsewhere on for your consideration, but I just feel like it doesn't really take any chances and it's not like it's not there no surprises here. It was what it was. What I expected as far as the story went. I mean, having said that it is absolute. Proficiently made. Probably Cooper did direct the hell out of your calling. This movie proficient it. It is perfect. What else would you call it? A much better than professional. I think it's fishing. I think it's it's, it's an exceptional film. It's a very, very well done movie. It just didn't rocked my world because it didn't. It didn't do anything that I didn't expect it to having said that again, lady Gaga and private Cooper, both. Terrific. And I think that Cooper is a lock for so we both agree on Cologne, and Cooper is LA. Okay. At one, two, one, three, it sounds like. So who will use your number two number two for me. And I think for as well is my friend Damian Chazelle for I man. I think you know if you can go from a movie like whiplash to La Land to first man and which is l. did with I man was he did something different something we have not seen in any other movie or TV show about the space race. You look it from the moon, the twelve part, each series. You look at the. Stuff you look at Apollo thirteen, even look at 'Capricorno one. This is a completely different film because of the it's so visceral and gritty, and raw and rusty and wait, chisel and scream, Josh singer did was they deconstructed the Apollo program? They deconstructed the space race by stripping, the polish and the gloss off of it and you, you realize you feel how dangerous it was like you look at the inside of the Gemini spacecraft. I mean, it looks like a Russ book. So well said, I mean, that's a good argument get because it is different and because you feel you feel it as much as you see it, I think is an extraordinary achievement. It is a giant leap for him as filmmaker no pun intended. I speak highly about this movie all day long, but I won't repeat everything I said on that last episode but also take into account the fact that you know LA La Land, best director for that one. Why we have these terms Oscar packages that when we see movies coming together a certain way with certain names attach. That's that's like step number one towards getting an Oscar nomination. And I feel like the fact that he is a history now with delivering great films Academy Award winning. I think that pretty much gives him an extra little nudge to be a lot. But I also think the quality of the movie period is a reason for him to be in the running for a nomination who knows maybe even a win. It kind of goes back to what I was just saying about Romo. You look at a movie like I man and you see his touch on it. You see his touch, it's different touch. It's insane watching space movie that I've never quite felt a lot of fantastic things about this movie in all different departments. But the thing is he's the director. He's the guy steering the ship, and he takes all of that great work and brings even more out of it. I know that when we talked us far off for your consideration, you're not. You're not drinking the first man coolly Perry, and I are, but do you agree. Exiling Susell could get an Amish in like he does does a good job with this film. I don't think it's as good a job as he did with lower land or whiplash. I had met my number six, six number six. I haven't getting snubbed this year. And I'll tell you why. And it relates to who I haven't number five obviously, and that's Adam McKay. Okay. So when I look back at the big short, Adam McKay was nominated for best director over Ridley Scott for the Martian. So I think that Adam McKay could do the same thing again that the that the directors branch could nominate him over the big space movie. And frankly, I think the Martian is just a better movie than I man. So, yeah, I have Zell on the outside. Looking in Martian is a completely different kind of movie. That's, I think, you know, the Martian is a rousing hero's journey on another planet, and it's a, it's a populous film, and and a first man feels daring and bold. And if feels like an arty film, you know, feels like a big budget, our house film, and I think that she's not writing among big budget and art house and really what better combination to get an Oscar nomination than that. Because you know, I mean, the truth of the matter is the wider release. The more people that see the more people that talk about it, the more voters that are firmly aware of it and make a point to see this stuff. And I think that's what gives I man and eggs over some of the other things that we've spoken about. I'm just not ready to say yes to Adam McKay just because we've seen even seen a trailer. The tone of that film is listen to think about the thing about vices. This again, none of us have seen. It's going to be quite some time before any of us actually do. But this is a film that I think has a better chance of getting nominated for director. I think it has a much better chance at the acting categories for Christian bale and for Amy Adams. And if you're comparing apples to apples here, the director category, Adam McKay and Zell the the acting in I man because it is it is a little on the understated side. This is eight director's movie. I band directors film that you feel this movie, and I think that is an extraordinary thing to be able to do something so visceral. But but for the sake of argument right now, we have both Chazelle and advocate on our list. Oh, you guys have McKay on your district of arguments for now get knocked off at. I'm not writing. No, but I feel like there could be a little backlash, the boy wonder. Okay, just hang on. Okay. There could be a little bit of backlash and that's the thing you want an Oscar thirty years old. The youngest to ever win that category, be someone else's turn. Maybe maybe, you know, the guards rubbing or nomination. We're just talking about r Parry what's on your list. So my number four is going to Barry Jenkins and Barry Jenkins I'm not going to go ahead and say as lock, but I think he has a very good chance one going back to what I said about Damian Chazelle his history at the Oscars. I think that plays in his favor and also because if Bill streak could talk is a pretty good movie. I did not take to it as strongly as many others did at tiff it for me. It felt like there was some sort of disconnect where I wasn't as firmly in the main character shoes as I kind of wanted to be. I think some portions of the movie were a little stronger than others. And you know, when you're looking at a movie like moonlight where everything comes together, so so beautifully. I don't think the same is true of if Beale street could talk, but I think there's enough momentum and there's enough buzz behind that movie to power at through to a nomination think you agree. Yeah. I also have Barry Jenkins at four in the same boat as Perry, where I didn't love the movie. I thought moonlight was better, but it is beautifully made. It's the same argument I would apply to Corogne and yeah, I just think that he's sort of becoming an academy darling Barry Jenkins, and this is an important film. And yeah, I think that he he does get in. I have him on my list as well. Bill streak at talk. He's on my four spots, and I feel the same way you do about Beale street. I liked the movie a lot, not as much as moon Lii and probably not as much some of the other journalists and critics at Toronto. But I'd like to very much. I feel like moonlight like it built a crescendo around motion the Bill to the end of really like left you with such an emotional feeling where where with Beale street it was a through line for the emotion, stayed the same, but just didn't Bill to a high like boom bike. It's hard to have that crescendo and movie when my hands down favorite scene in all of Beale street at talk is that family seen the beginning there is just so much explosive energy to when you go from that to everything else. It's it's hard to live with. Where you go the movie peaks early? Yeah, it does peak early, different kind of film. I mean, it's. Still up, beautiful. Lush, poetic movie, amazing performances tone. It did. I mean, it's definitely a terrific film, and I think that that the tone of the movie in the way that it is directed, what the the scenes are played out, the performances are allowed to marinate breathe. And I think that that is a testament to Baruch Jenkins as director, I think that he he makes the list here now even though we have five now who the Adam McKay for vice. Let's let's move that movie off. Let's move. We got Cooper Koronen Jenkins's are three people. We can agree on Zell leading to one over McKay for the fourth spot. Who do you have in? Who's the fifth person on your with? V for me is Spike Lee bought clansman. I feel like this is a movie that that not only is one of his very best since like jungle fever and ninety one or even do the right thing. In one eighty nine, I feel like this is a movie that place to his strains. It is a crowd pleaser. He brings so much to the table and just the guy has directed like eleven documentaries and twenty feature films. I might be off on the number on that, but this is a directors nomination that not only for the film that is for his career. This is a career nomination, and the movie is terrific. Balanced. A very interesting tone of humor, and it was also a profound and continental provocative, which is what I really liked about Spike Lee is he pushes those bright butts. But I think that this is the nomination that will not only honor the film, but honor his career as a whole Perry. I think that that's very well said, and for all those reasons, that's why he would fall somewhere between six and ten for me. Oh, there's, there's something. There's something about the reaction to the movie and I know it did. It did pretty well at the box office had a lot of positive buzz behind it. But again, we're playing that game with an August release that has the last all the way through all the festivals. And I think it fell just short of the power would have needed to push through all of the other movies. We started to talk about mere weeks later instead do you want me to say my number please? I've and I haven't seen this movie. Keep that in mind. I have Peter fairly for green room in my number five, Green Bay. Oh God. I wrote green room in my. Realization such as a different kind of movie lets you saw green room green pre book. Holy shit coddle. That's already started. So I'm confusing race than that. Of it's because of reactions like Jeff's and really, I mean, the reaction across the board at tiff and I have a habit of going to a festival and missing out on that that big audience with winner or the big winner of the festival overall and sure enough. I missed green book and I was so so sad about it. And one of the things that I did hear a lot about is he really could get nominated for best director. Just the idea of it being a crowd pleaser that everybody adored hitting all of the right emotional cords. If this one is much of a crowd pleaser as everyone says, it is, I really think this could be heavily in the conversation not just for best director, but across the board. I also had Peter fairly in my in my four spot and green book is not the kind of movie that features like flashy direction. It doesn't call attention to itself. I think it could absolutely be one of those movies that could even like win best picture but doesn't get a best director nomination. Or then you see like the argument that's like, well, what did the movie director. Itself, that thing that has been twice. Mistake, you know he, but the leap that he is taken from the gross out comedies that he's known for this is a complete one eighty for him as a filmmaker. He took the chance doing something different doing a drama and it again, it's a home run. I can't wait for you guys to see this because it really is a beautiful film, and I think he won't be able to be ignored this. The thing about thing about Peter Farrelly's this think Peter Farrelly. I mean, the guy who his brother directly dumb and dumber, and you know show how any now people might say, oh my God ball. I mean, what's he doing this? But look at at McKay Adam k mate. His name directing will Ferrell comedies like Talladega nights, anchorman. And then he does too short which gets nominate and put some like, you know, a career changer, a game changer for him. Just like green book is. A game changer for Peter Farrelly. So yeah, I mean, we have seen it, but you did and the movie win the audience award at Toronto which is like their best picture version. And you know. So the question is that number five spot. Okay. Does it on our list? Does it go to Farrelly or does it go to Spike Lee where mccay mccay. Okay. Right now, just for the sake I'll give you. None of us seeing this. I'll give you Zell in. Okay, Cooper for that Uber own Jenkins gazelle who do we, you know, it's between those guys spike McKay and fairly okay. And if we two to one thing it's Peter. Yeah. Yeah, I think I'm going to have to. I think I'm gonna have to say him because even though I haven't seen the movie, I think the buzzes so convincing on that one. Whereas I don't think it was again. I thought black klansman was great. I just didn't think the talk was powerful enough to keep go get to rebut the black, Lance Mottaki there. I love what spike brings to the table the spike 'isms that that he lends to that material, but I just thought the movie was good, but messy. See, I thought it was. Fully realized movie in a very long and it is it's it's working at least fifteen years, but I still have them at the seven slot. Okay. Okay. So so you both think that the number five slot on this list for today for the day be should be a great book with Peter Farrelly. Now I still think in obviously, democracy rules outnumbered here, so so he makes it wasn't for four the record. I do think that spike Lee's black lines from was an extraordinary film. I've really did love the movie. It was provocative, but it was also very entertaining. It was extremely relevant. Even though it took place in the seventies and. You know, I do feel like very strongly that that if the movie opened in August, yeah, it opened in August. And if it opened a little later by the had a better chance, but also the moves going to hit home entertainment. Towards the end of the year when this whole Oscar thing really kicks into high gear. And again, this movie this nomination for Spike Lee in this category would would it would be a nomination for a career extrordinary career of Boll, daring filmmaking narrative features and documentaries could say almost the same thing about Peter fairly Peter Farrelly Spike Lee make completely different movies, sure your family up to this point movies for comedies and comedy classics. When you talking about rewarding career, this is this is the Kennedy's first opportunity to reward a guy like that. I, I don't think you can compare the career award thing with with the two of these guys. The thing that crossed my mind though, especially talking about the release dates. I just wonder if it would have made a difference had they held the black clansmen to have a more prestigious tiff release. I know it played prior, but well, you're right and tiff. That's where the that is like the very definitive start time for award season talk. And I wonder if they would have released it Atip if I would have been changing my tune, that's a good point because the movie loving with Joel Edgerton version, Jeff Nichols that premiered of the canned film festival in two thousand sixteen I'm gonna came time for a word season. The move was was was very much overlooked. It peaked too early. It was a fall film. It was in a film festival in may instead of one of the premiering at Venice, telluride or Toronto. And yeah, hate to say, but timing does play factor in these nominations, which is why in most cases, picturing director, a lot of those. A lot of this have released after October, but for the argument's sake of this of this show today, again, this will change what we do best director again, and we will. We could have a whole bunch of completely different nominees here. But for the. Sake of this show. I won't to go with Peter Farrelly for for green book and say that best director in this category will be Fasel craw for Roma Damian Chazelle for floor. I man Bradley Cooper for a star is born Barry Jacobs for if Beale street could talk and Peter Farrelly four green book. Those are the names I still have are still of our personal lists, though that should be highlighted. So you wanna run through your person all room? Well, yeah, honorable mentions for me. Definitely a movie that came out in Martin still at the top of my list of one of the best moments of the year is a quiet place to, yeah, a populous film Hearthrow rower, but I feel like it's this year's get out, jock present sqi like that was a game changer in Khorasan ski is like a dark horse contender for Dr. Chris contender has is Bo Burnham for eighth grade eighth grade. You've got, you know, once in a while, you know, you see, you see indie directors really have ground groundswell of support and. I feel like Bo Burnham eighth grade such of loved film. I love to. I would love to see that happen. I think eighth grade is this year's sing street where it's just never going to happen, which is unfortunate. I, I haven't seen this movie either, but the one that I want to highlight as a little bit of a dark horse here is can you ever forgive me such great? There's no ladies on this list and there's no ladies. I think coming anywhere close right now to cracking the five contenders that we think are going to actually make it in there, but Marielle Heller if anyone has a shot. I think it is her in terms of female directors. This year. I would support that. I think it's a very, very, very good movie Melissa McCarthy and. You know, I, it just really gives a game changing performance herself. But yes, there are no women on this list. There should be. And I haven't seen. Can you ever forgive me? I do think that Merrill Hella represents the best shot at female director nomination. We still have to see Mary Queen of Scots from Josie, Rourke, and on the basis of sex from me Lido. So you know, there are other ones possibilities out there. What about like Joel Edgerton how they feel about maybe taking this race? I'll be able to tell you next week. I'm seeing later this week, the names, three other names that I had on my list where Steve McQueen for widows. Iago slant the MOS favor, right? I'm hopefully that this week too, and then Ryan Kugler for Black Panther. We can't forget about Ryan Kugler for Black Panther. I, I don't think it necessarily merits nomination, directing marvel movie with all the resources at your. You know if Black Panther gets anything other than like the below the line categories like Qassams, son in visual effects and sound editing and all that. I feel like the best shot four Black Panthers one of the populace film in best picture. But I don't see getting director. I don't see it getting best director clearly because he didn't make my top five. But but again, if I'm looking at the six through ten, I think he's still in there. I think we've had nine or ten. Yeah, I think that's something that's still being discussed and you know, with with what that movie represented, I think that's what could maybe who knows may make the difference in having sneak in there. Here's another hot topic. I've heard great things about human rhapsody. I've heard that it turns out really good, good. Bryan singer, there's no way he gets a nomination, right? Or Dexter Fletcher. I don't know what the credit situation is going to be there, but it seems like that that is off the table. Right. I don't know if that's off the table. You hearing good things about it and FOX's doing a screening of it on October sixth, and that's going to predate the world premiere in London, which I think is Tober twenty. Third, this is a movie I'm really looking forward to, and I think that Romney Malik is like a show in for best actor. Yeah, the whole brouhaha behind the scenes with the Bryant singer taking leave and not really finishing the film who knows what the credit will be, but that could change the game and really changed the face of this category. I think we could see Baheen rhapsody in the conversation not for this category though. Interesting. I tend to agree with you. All right. Well, well, that it's okay. So that's gory, right? Yeah, we should go through our personal as though. Okay. Well, what else is on your personal. You should say your top five at five. And then he should say is top five Alphonso Koran for Roma Damian Chazelle for I man Bradley Cooper for stars born Barry Jenkins for if Bill street could talk and Spike Lee for black klansman. That's my list. The only list you need right here on collider FIC. My list is l. funds o corona for Roma Damian Chazelle for I man, Bradley Cooper for a star is born. Barry Jenkins for Beale street could talk and Peter fairly, not for green room, but for green book. And I've got Bradley Cooper for a star is born l. phones Karoon for Roma Peter fairly for green book. Barry Jenkins for if Beale street could talk. And even though I haven't seen it yet, I'm gonna go with Adam McKay and vice over Dame inches Elon. I man just feeling at this point in the race for the most part. For the most part, we agree on on our lists. I. That we all have different number fives, but I'll say this about for your consideration. That's what's going to make this show so much fun is to see how these rankings are going to change over the next six months. So absolutely positively. Make sure you keep coming back to collider FIC keep coming back to for your consideration. Make sure you share our video. 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Welcome to collider's movie review talk at this beautiful panel super size movie review talked this week every week on moving review talk only on collider. We've reviewed the new movies. We pick something like, maybe a Blu. Ray you might of missed maybe something that's streaming that you should check out or not. We'll find out later today. But here's the beauty. No matter. What you hear? It is a spoiler free zone. No spoilers. All right. Okay. Fessed up to this last time. Sometimes spoiler speaks through sneaks for you. You know, it happens. Nobody's perfect. But we're not saying like, oh my God. He's on earth the whole time or a slab boilers, right? Right. But this week at joining me, we have not two, but three guests critics first of all on the way on the other side of this table. He is a film critic that I love admire. He's a great writer. He knows more about film than than than I do. He is also recognize from schmo down. He also has amazing podcast that he does what the awesome Whitney cya bold, cancel too soon. I could go on the sky. But right now, he is writing awesome film reviews for the rap William Bibbiani, aka bibs. Thank you. God, you're going to be cry. Scott. Oh my God. So flattered twenty me as always she is my co pilots on collider, FIC, the awesome. The amazing since ational the invincible the Mighty Mary normal activity herself. Use that name because matter Halloween time or not I embrace that one. It's just that was gold. Genius idea. Never. That's so great that like it's like the nightmare before Christmas because you use it in Halloween Christmas. And I got say hurry just short time. I've gotten to know you these last six months doing review talk, not only are you a great producer. Not only. Great on camera critic. You're also great written. Film critic your written reviews for collider are sensation. I didn't think you were going there with that about to tell you how easy it is to do shows with you and produce for you because you're so wonderful, and then you probably reviews S. You're at the written reviews. I think are are needed. I don't think enough people read written reviews days so big shots. Both of you referred her keeping that going and thank you so much for being here. This is your very very first. Newby newby. You're you cover film, you cover you cover traveling cover all of it. You do it all entertainment travel. I'm your girl for all of them so much being here. So great to have you on a show for the first time bibs, I know you've been to collider a million times before, but this is your first time on review, talk and not for lack of trying. So thank you for keeping for having faith in my faith. Anything you? Well, let's get right to it. The first movie is fantastic. Beasts the crimes of grinchey wall. Directed by David gates. The cast is Eddie read mean, Catherine Waterson. Johnny Depp, the wizard world's Newt Scamander must stop the powerful dark wizard. Gillard Grintale wall play by Johnny Depp on my God this plot. Twisting and twisting and twisting, aren't you take you take what did you think of this movie? Can I be fraying, please? You know, what it was a feast for the eyes? Cinematography was wonderful. But I didn't love it as much as I love the first one. Okay. I mean, I one I did like the first one this one I loved the characters more than I did all of the plots which were intertwined together. There was a lot going on in this film. And at times, it could have been hard to follow even for the die hard J K Rowling, Harry Potter wizardry world people. You know, there was a lot thrown in a lot to absorb overall. It was okay. It was definitely okay? It wasn't my favorite was filmed. The could have been a lot more. But I do think that there were some great Dila stellar performances. I mean, of course, I loved you law on my love Zoe Kravitz being in there. As did a great job didn't mind, Johnny debt. But you know, I love J K Rowling. So I always find it hard to critique any of her work at all just because she's such a genius. And I look for the good stuff. I do I do. And I I think the people who followed this film franchise. We'll we'll still love it. You know, what I mean because they the die hard not. So sure about that Perry, which you think has pretty unhappy in this. I'm no expert, but I have seen in loved all the Harry Potter films. I very much enjoyed the first fantastic beasts, I think it missed the Mark compared to those other films a little bit. But I enjoyed the charm of the world I loved the idea of this character in Newt and what he does with all of these fantastic creatures. And I liked what they showed me about that in that first movie that seems to be completely lost. This series is not about Newt and his magical creatures. It's about all of these other things that I don't understand in the slightest. And you know, I never want to see a movie give me a big fat exposition dumped where I feel like the movie is treating me like I'm stupid. But in this case, I did need a little bit of a refresher. As to what happened in the first movie. I didn't entirely understand a lot of the locations. It's like you say a feast for the eyes, and I think this could be, but I wouldn't even call it that because if those visuals don't have value and meaning. Then what's the point? And felt that way about the visuals. And even though I think the performances are fine. I don't think any of them got anything worthwhile to work with every there were so many main characters that the movie was telling me, we're important in this movie that no one really got room to breathe or meaningful arc or anything at all. It just went absolutely nowhere for me. And the first thing that I thought when I woke up the next morning after seeing it was tonight take anything from that movie at all. What is the point William Bibbiani because the point is I liked that find I actually I'm a fan of the Harry Potter movies? You don't not a fan of action the Harry Potter movies as David ace? I think his Harry Potter films tend to illustrate the stories that actually telling them very well the point. And I think that was my problem with the first fantastic, these which I did not care for even though I really liked a lot of the characters was we have this really enchanting world. Introducing new elements of the wizard world when a new country new characters, and it didn't seem like he gave a damn about any of them was just like, and then new did this great who's Newt. I don't know who these people are by all by now in this movie. I we have a refresher course, we know we know who Katherine Waterson scavengers, we know some people in this world, and now that we're grounded. I was okay with it expanding and getting more complicated. I felt like watching this movie Jacob rolling wrote the screenplay for these films. They're not. Based on novels by felt like she wrote like a fifteen hundred page novel first, and then cut it down to movie length. So like a lot of the other Harry Potter stories where you read the novel. And then you see the movie, and you realize okay prisoner of asking, Dan was great. But there's a lot of stuff. They don't actually explain. And actually, I was watching this movie, it's complicated. But I don't like it made sense. I felt like it worked within the world. Even if I didn't understand every detail. I understood the gist of the characters what they were doing. Instead the context of the action and the adventure. And as a result. I was kinda captivated by how complicated it was. We're not seeing I hear you Potter story told from the respective of children anymore. We're seeing Harry Potter story told from adults and their their issues and their dramas and their stories on more complicated and the Warren usual, and they're toll from a heavier perspective. And I thought this one actually addressed that. So I like this one. Okay. Okay. Interesting that you liked it. And I didn't. And here's why first of all I thought the screenplay by. K rolling. I mean, she she did not based on a book even know, you know, you're you're it feels like she did to you. She didn't. And it was it was all over the place. It was all over the place. There was no takeaway from this movie. A follow was very convoluted and confusing. The characters were not fully realized I didn't think the first movie fantastic fantastic bores. And where to sleep was all that great eater. I thought that was boring as well. I think the bigger problem here. A fortunately is David Yates, heat, the three Harry Potter's the last three Harry Potter's, and he did the first fantastic beasts. This last four Harry Potter. Okay. So again, that's the prob this if it feels stale if feels formulaic it just feels like just going by the numbers, they're going through the motions it they need to bring in another filmmaker another director with another vision just in the same way that frigging Alfonso Koran came in with a third Harry Potter version of Hoskins. Newell, even Chris Columbus. Even those films were more simplified. He understood that hey, you wanna come? Visit this wonderful world. Like, this is awesome. David Yates is just like he inherited like the last part of that franchise when everything started to suck when the world started to get really oppressive schist steak and miserable. And he was pretty good for that. But he's applying it to fantastic beasts, and we're not getting any of the wonder from this new franchise. We're just inheriting like this humdrum grimness, and he portrays most of his things especially in the first one tastic piece, but even here with this really straightforward. Yeah. Wizards pretty depressing, right? David the biggest the biggest thing to simplify all of this to the lowest common denominator. This film loses. The most important thing. It's magic right there. This film is not magical and any Harry Potter franchise. Film needs to have magic at the very top. And this film lacks that. I think what was the biggest defense. This movie to me was the fact that as someone who doesn't know every single teeny tiny intricate detail about this universe. The books in the movies included. This made me feel excluded from that. I started to feel feel bad and frustrated because as we left off with those characters in the first film, particularly the forced on Tina Newt Jacob and queenie, especially Jacob queenie. That was the part that really hooked me in that first one I two of them delightful where they took their relationship here. Just sucked the life at all. You would think that after a movie like that the charm was seeing them all come together and fight for good together and take care of the creatures together. And then this movie rips everybody apart, which I think as much as I do think, maybe they need another another director on board to you know, infuse of fresh perspective. I also think the script is kind of poorly structured because you have your main characters in all different places. There are no scene transitions whatsoever. It jumps from one thing to the next and there were certain scenes where I had I could not figure out the tone of the scene or what the movie wanted me to feel. And then all of a sudden, it was almost like the score was there to do the heavy lifting there there were certain moments, particularly with Ezra Miller character where he walks into a room. And I'm like like is this bed is as good should I like him? And then all of a sudden the score kicks in. And I'm like, oh, that's what you're getting a Perry. You and I saw the same movie bibs your count your final Canada. I'm I agree with you on this much. There's so many characters that some of them get the. A short trip the plot revolves around as Miller he doesn't get nearly enough screen time. It's hard to tell visa protagonists and antagonists. I'm not calling. It this timeless masterpiece of wonder what I am saying is that for someone who really does engage with the entire Harry Potter franchise. The books the movies that seeing the level of detail that this world that this movie presents and seeing moments fleeting. But moments of wonder from David Yates is a great bit with this sort of magic dust when he's investigating or the scrape it with this one underwater monster all that stuff is really really great and exciting. I liked seeing the sort of film are pre World War Two intrigue elements. I liked all of that stuff. I think it is a smorgasbord. I think it's a huge breakfast buffet shoved onto our plate and dang it. Didn't get enough lobster. All right. Great. K Jay what's your letter grade on this? Jay, what's your letter grade on this? A C. Plus plus Perry, I'm a C minus up giving us see minus to plus be plus overall, I had a really interesting time watching this movie on I think it's more interesting than a lot of the Harry Potter movies. David loved the idea of that being oppo quote on the poster don't want interesting time watching. Let's take a move right along the next film. We're going to talk about is widows. This movie is directed by. Steve McQueen, the cast is viola Davis Liam Niessen. Elizabeth the Becky and Michelle Rodriguez when their husbands are killed during a heist that goes off the rails for women with nothing in common come together to clean up their mess, Perry widows, take it away. So widows is kind of split into two movies for me. And I think that that was the problem I had with it more. So than anything, obviously with with an unsolvable like this, especially with Davis in the lead. You're basically, guaranteed some stellar performances. And Steve Steve McQueen definitely had a really good. I for this story certain things that he captured in a way where you know, most of the time, you might expect something to be spelled out or someone just state something. But it's a different thing to make you feel like that is actually the world they live in and the one shot that comes to mind is a scene where you have Colin Farrell in a car, and it's just the way he captures that dry. In the car. You will you will know exactly what I'm talking about. When you see the movie, but it gets a point across very very clearly without necessarily having to say, this is the way my life is right now. So I really appreciate it a lot of that. But when I say, it's two different movies. It felt to me like it was striving to be a commercial crowd pleaser while also dealing with a couple of of maybe kind of like darker deeper issues that are going on. And the two parts never really came together. Never really served each other. Well to me where it felt like they were at odds. So I kept jumping back and forth. But this unsellable something else again. Viola Davis watch out for Elizabeth DeBakey. I am basically going to guarantee she is going to make waves and I saw widows before I saw bad times at the Royal. And I watched this movie on like, Cynthia repo gets that much screen time. But she is one of my favorite characters in this movie. Then I went and saw that time and she crushes it, Matt. So the two of them are my MVP's widows bibs. I feel a lot of the same way paradise. I think Steve McQueen I think he is interested in the characters and their highest, but only in a larger context, he's interested in how it affects the politics and the economics of the area in Chicago, which it is set, and that's interesting, but he devotes so much time to politicians talking about raising funds. And so little time to the actual experience of the protagonists who are pulling off the heist, a heist is really intense situation filled with preparation and suspense. And there's a lot on the line. And man, I don't think Steve McQueen cared about all that stuff. Very much. I never got that feeling of intensity of excitement or fear from a lot of these characters. Even when something extensively scary was happening. When I think of a movie like heat or set it off or any of the other like really great heist movies out there. They balanced this stuff. It feels like it's taking part of a larger drama. But also, the heist is an exciting thing that happens here, it's like os. And it's sad that a high. Happened. Well, I guess the Queen. But that's not what I bought a ticket. I wanna see it balanced, and it just feels like it's it's totally all over the place. I appreciate the idea to sell it more as a drama, but man, the heist just so flat Matthews Europe. Man. I'm listening to both of you guys. And I'm saying do we go to the same movie? I'm just not getting it. I mean, I think this is one of his best films. I think that when history goes down, and then this the top twenty five best heist films. Widows will be on that list. The writing was stellar. The acting was Stiller the action was Stiller the political divide that you talk about the authenticity of the political dynasties that we see in places like Chicago in places like Boston, and even in used to be in places like LA is so palpable on the screen. It's everything is so real. I mean, I I was thinking to myself when's the last time I saw film like that outside of ocean's eleven and I was like oh there was insight, man. But inside men wasn't really like a hyphen was more like crime drama, but it still had that action and the twists and turns without us giving away too much of the film. I just liked it. I mean, you've got Leeson he's bringing his game. Of course, you've got to ball. He's bringing his game Cynthia reveals bringing her a game of Davis. Never neither does. You've got just incredibly interesting characters. And I didn't think they spent too much time on the political dynasty. I love Daniel Kalou as kind of screen time, and who he was in the film, and and how when they work with the Colin Farrell character. They of turn to who he was and what he was about. And kind of how all these characters were inter woven together. I was never not lost. I never thought I'll let you have just a little bit more action in this scene or little less action in this scene. I thought it was just a will Britain well-crafted, heist film, one of the best this year, and one of the best really ever in my opinion. I with you on this one. I thought widows was fantastic. I see your points about about the balance. But it was not distracting to me. Of course, first of all it just backup. Steve mcqueen. It's his first first feature since his movie twelve years. A slave won the Oscar for best picture best director that year. What telethons Koran for gravity, but Steve McQueen what he set out to? Make a more mainstream commercial film with with with widows, and he definitely succeeded without without sacrificing his craft and his art. This is extremely there's a lot of depth here. There's a lot going on. But I think that he does balance it pretty well. There wasn't anything that that? I didn't like about the film. I love the characters. I love the scope of it. I love there's there's a couple of really good twists in the film, not gonna spoil what they are. But I didn't see that second one coming. And it really throw me I've really upped up my love for the film. But the other thing about what does is I had described it to many people as a female heat and people like yet. But it's you know, he was about cops and robbers you just have the robbers here, and the point I was trying to make by that comment was just in terms of the structure in the style of it felt very much like a Michael Mann film. And that's why I went with the heat. I think Michael will there's a lot of time packing. What you just said. I think Michael man makes movies about professionals. What we have here are amateurs, and I'm not really. Sensing that real desperation that we get from not being that good at it. They're there couple of jokes about it. But from Elizabeth Vicki's character. But ultimately, it seems like it's running fairly cleanly for me the issue. I have is that you say he's not sacrificing his art house credit if you will. But I see that as not making concessions to the mainstream. The pope the grind house, the heist elements of it. He's film is really at odds with it. I like Daniel Columbia as this villainous character that he plays, but his character is so broad and so Archie felt like except out of a JAMES BOND movie where everyone else in the movie is really really grounded. He's just like menacing bad guy who kills people in unusual ways who listens to NPR in his car. That's not really the most like in an exciting thing for me. And it struck me as kind of this false note. I see that the way that the politics actually play out in the way that the heist and the politics stories ultimately converged by the end, and I'm not going to spoil anything. Obviously. But I see half of the story playing out and having consequences in politics, and literally the other half is completely ignored even though that would be just as consequential to the ultimate outcome of the story. The story in Chicago. I I see it as really unbalanced kind of messily structured movie that has saved by great acting and impressive determined style. Kind of in the middle. Because even though I find it to be an incredibly disjointed movie that I wish was more cohesive. I do think that on their own every single thing works really well, just in terms of how one part that. I'm thinking about is written in the other part. It's just that they don't merge while and with with Daniel Colonia, I think that might be one of the most haunting performances I've seen all year. He freaked me out. And I think what enhances those moments even more is not only is he real especially after get out where you fall in love with that character. And then seeing him turn on that inste- like super super Crete on the means. It's really really scary. But then similar to that conference shot. I was talking about earlier and in the way McQueen captures what he does. And it makes it even more chilling. There's two scenes with him in it that I think are just so beautifully designed from visual perspective that those might be two of my most memorable scenes of the entire year. I mean, the thing is disagree with you just a little bit. Like, I think Daniels character is so very real. If you look into cities all across the United States, and now many times, many of some of the most deprived cities, you walk three blocks away. And you're at a perfectly great will manicure neighborhood in this film showed that with the camera angle in the way things were shot when Colin fair was in a car what you're talking about is a direction of that camera. It's different than what we're usually seeing in films like that. And I like the fact that they tried to show how these communities are so tightly woven together as much as they hate each other as much as. Bigotry as much crime in all these things. Look how connected they were. Look how closely where you go to any city in America. And you see that. And I love that often tick nature of I also love Daniels character because there are so many people like that you don't really in in real neighborhoods. They don't care about anything. They'll shoot up people to look exactly like them all for the money, and he represented that villainous being. So I I thought it was really authentic. I I mean, I'm not like that, obviously. But you know, I saw the authenticity in his character. And what he was trying to portray pips. I want to say I understand. And I've heard other people inbred other other critics say that the that that the not so much that the I did feel that desperation in the characters in these four women. I the criticism was that, you know, for people who don't know what they're doing. They should look like they know what they're doing. It wasn't like a movie another heist movie one that's a criminally under seen an underappreciated, which is American animals, which is a different kind of heist movie where things things don't go neat at all. And that's the beauty of that movie. I felt like maybe now after hearing your criticism of widows, you know, maybe what does cutting us over the more that Nessie nece, but I still loved it. I thought it was gripping an intense tight and taught I did not think it was too long. I thought it was just really good polished, polished filmmaking and it was gritty without being too gritty, and it was mainstream without without dumbing it down. I want to clarify something before we move on for stuff. I have criticisms of widows I have a high standard for my heist movies. It's my favorite genre from maybe dance competition movie. The two step of occurs and step up four are both heist movies as well. But listen, I reserve some criticisms for this movie. However, it is incredibly well acted. It's very assured. It's clearly what Steve McQueen intended to make it didn't necessarily have the impact on me that I would really fully appreciate. But I do think it is too. Impressive production to say that it's a bad movie by any stretch for me. I'm just saying this is why didn't entirely come together. Like the twists. I literally wrote down in my notebook odds of this being the twist at sixty percent. And it just kept increasing until that was the thing. I thought it was a little letter grade. Be behind us. Maybe perry. Be for me. I thought it was a great except for the fact those two things are at odds. Okay. K jay. I'm a solid. Okay. I'm giving it an aim minus. Okay. You went around the Saint patriots. Very good. Okay. Boom into law. Have you heard metro by t mobile now includes Amazon prime? 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Discover the smarter way metro by t mobile that's genius one offer per account offers subject to change twelve ninety nine per month. Value offer valid for new Amazon prime members Atra customers may notice reduce speeds versus some t mobile customers video at forty p capable device required. See store for details and terms and conditions to a film that I was just a very very pleasant surprise movie is instant family directed by Sean Anders starring Mark Wahlberg rose Byrne and Isabela milliner and Pete and E are longing for a family. But when they adopt three kids at the same time, they get more than they bargained for K, Che Parayno. You haven't seen the film, and I know you will after bits, and I talk about it. Okay. So instant family comes from the director of movies, which watching them was the equivalent of being. Stabbed in the spine to me like the boy. I really was just like oh God. Please. Please. Let it be. Okay. This will these lovely this movie stars Mark Wahlberg can rose Byrne. And at the beginning of the movie, it seems like it's going to be a dumb comedy. There's a lot of silly flashbacks. They decide to adopt a child, and they end up through series of circumstances adopting three siblings and that throws their life into turmoil as well it would. And there is a terrible version of this movie. That's all about farting and poop, and that's not what it's about at all this movie actually, slowly like evolves from the silly comedy. You think it is to a very earnest and very effective drama. That's very Frank and open about the emotional, and psychological difficulty of adopting kids and being a child who is working through the system and is being constantly rejected and being treated as a commodity. Hey, parents do you want this one no moving on at that has an effect, and we see that effect, and it is fair and honest and fair. About issues of abuse. And the the role that race plays into this sometimes diverse I appreciated that level of commitment to treating adoption fairly. And honestly saying it's a good thing. But it's really hard. It can be funny and sweet, but it's really hard when they're grown up like the siblings are in this movie and one of them's a teenager, and she's been through a lot alrigh- as Beaumont. She was terrific. I gotta tell you. I just love this film. I wanted to think in Saint thing, you did it's going to be another poop fart, daddy's home. You know, just just real sort of slapsticky below the Pell Gross-out kind of humor that kids are going to like more than grownups. But I got to tell you. This is instant family is an instant family classic. Because at that. It's a bit much, but you'll see that on the Blu Ray. But I because it was such a pleasant surprise when every level because of the way it did treat a Dopp Shen in a realistic way was relatable, it was genuine. It felt honest thought walk more Burke and rose. Byrne were terrific together. Burn is just like Hollywood's best kept secret. So right. You know? Sorority favors. Neighbors has by everything. I mean, what's Juliet naked the Ethan Hawke of a summer that Pacific film? But this was a lovely wonderful feel-good crowd-pleaser, and I just love the hell out of it. Which let great my letter grade is an a minus like it. I think there's a part of it. That's a little bite tactic. It's obviously trying to encourage it ends like the last thing before the credits is a website for more information on how. Yeah. But it's an honest one. And I think it's fair about the process, and I yeah, I really fell for it. I think it's a very excellently made motion pick. Yeah. I give it a name is only talk at a a little point. They're just because the feel a little too long, but it is still a wonderful wonderful film. And I think that that it's a lot of people in this day and age a really really gonna price him lights when I hope the word gets out, and I hopefully after reading your overview when the rap. Yeah, the word will get I think they're advertising it as a big dumb comedy at tried to get the daddy's home crew. And then they're going to get those people, and then they're going to like, I didn't want to cry or. Bad. That was actually really good. They're going to get that that is home crowd. And they're going to be like, well, what do you know that was actually like really this is really giving. Because that's the reason I didn't prioritize and I didn't I didn't go to screening and I saw other things instead. And now, I'm kicking myself slapsticky in the trailer. But you know, that often happens how many times have you seen a trailer? And you're like, I don't want to see that you see the film. It's better or you see a phenomenal trailer. And they you see the film, and you're like what happened. My ultimate example was I saw this one TV commercial for August osage county, which is one of the bitterest and most mean-spirited movies of the last decade, and it was portrayed as a fun comedy for Christmas. Why do we need critics? This is one of the reasons why to tell you the movie actually is because the the ads lie. Hamper? They sold at the time and the hell is August associated county accommodate okay on the I've really I really couldn't wait to talk about this one. This is a movie that really just want to top of my list for the year. It's green book directed by Peter Farrelly, starring Vigo Mortenson and Herschel Ali based on the true story of the unlikely friendship that develops between an an Italian American bouncer, and the African American classical pianist he has the drive across the deep south and nine thousand nine hundred sixty two. When you see this movie, we're going to have another conversation about her you saw busy sought Perry. But you think door this movie, I can't wait to see it again. But not just another time. I mean again, and again, and again and to tell everybody about it. This is another one of those movies where at first I didn't prioritize it, you know, when you go to tiff, he make the must see less than it's mostly all the movies that everyone's talking about sure this was the one that walked away with the audience award. And then I was so mad at myself. But I went looking for that first greening I could get back in LA, and I saw it. And I felt what everybody else told me they felt at Toronto. This is a very very special film and Vigo Mortenson Mahar Sheila Ali are so good together. Their chemistry is impeccable. Their comedic timing too. Because obviously, we know Peter fairly isn't really well known for dramatic movies. But this is one that balances some really truly funny moments with some real. Portent drama that matters and the pairing is spot on just watching the two of them grow throughout the movie, but do so in a way where it's not like or different you should change. It'd be like me or anything like that. It's about understanding how somebody else's and adapt into that. But also embracing the things that you that make you different at the same time in having those two things go side by side through a journey like this it just left me in a place that I don't know. Like, I just I felt good about being surrounded by so many different people. And I feel like that's part of the reason why everyone needs to go see green book. All right Perry. Here's the thing. So I mean, I couldn't agree. More with. We could for. Now like poster child. Phasing. Here's for the conversations going to get interesting bits. Okay. I wanna I wanna start off on a positive note. Vigo Mortenson Emma Herschel Ali or to the best actress working today, and they show it in this movie. They're fantastic. One hundred percent agree with that in every conceivable way for me the words that come to mind by the time the credits rolled on green book where disingenuous cop out for me. I look at this movie and its portrayal of the nineteen fifties through the perspective of these real life characters true. But the way that they choose to portray them strikes me as this incredibly simplistic and very reassuring portrayal of these people now the world in which they live is about Vigo Mortenson, driving dot Shirley acclaimed classical musician through tour in the deep south and along the way, they encounter a lot of racism. But what I thought was really frustrating was the way that the movie is desperate to make Vigo Mortenson have like off blood him off the hook in every. Conceivable way, they show him being racist in one moment in one scene at the beginning of the movie. And then after that that his character is gone, and he has nothing left to learn other than dot Shirley's, pretty cool. And maybe he's right better letters to his wife. That is a really frustrating thing for me because he ends up doing all of the work that I see I end up seeing him teaching dot Shirley, kind of everything he ends up teaching dog, Shirley, how to appreciate black culture more than dot Shirley does. And there's something that strikes me as frustratingly condescending to give that much effort. This movie is trying to create a parallel between class dynamics and racial dynamics in the mid twentieth century by saying that Vigo Mortenson as an under educated white working class man is on the same level as Dr Lee's socially. But what the movie never addresses is that in order to be on the same level as this under educated white working class, man, Doug, Shirley, literally has to be one of the most accomplished human beings on the planet and the moving never address. That inequality. Okay. I will say this. I see your point. I do see your point. But the movie works on every every other level that okay important level. But that is that is an important. Of course, it is. I said, I see your point. But I've seen the movie three times now. And each time. I saw the film. I was definitely struck by. Yes, the chemistry between Vigo Mortenson. Herschel Ali this movie has a lot of heart as a lot of humor and just like instant family. But for different reasons, it is a feel-good crowd-pleaser the movie was made for about. I think like twenty three million over twenty eight days, and what I love about the film among other things this how refreshingly straightforward it is. There's nothing flashy. No, gimmicky editing, cutting techniques. It has told the story. There's something refreshingly old fashioned about the way it's told and the directing style of it that they don't really make movies like this anymore and here one exists. It is a movie that does make you feel good and the end. They don't sell it this way. I see why they wouldn't. But in the end, it is actually a Christmas movie is strict it, okay? It is a Christmas movie. And I think that when you have other movies on the Blake Bush the best Christmas films. Like, I mean, even die hard is listed as it should be as a great Christmas movie. I think that green book will be seen as soon as work yet, more work. It's out about it as a great Christmas movie. And I get I agree with you. I see that the scales are definitely tipped. It's not a balanced learning process between FICO Herschel in this movie. But overall, I just felt it was so irresistibly charming and endearing and I did feel the heart of it. And you know, it does feel very mainstream. And I thought the Peter Farrelly who has with his brother Bobby has done like something about Mary. Dumb and dumber shallow. How? You know, I thought it was great to see him do something that still had humor plate was strengths there. But he can do a dramatic at direction as well. I thought it was very quotable and going back to the topic. You're talk there Perry. It is a movie that I will absolutely see over and over and over again, it's a movie that if it's on cable if I ever decide to get cable back, and I'm coming across. If I flip it across it. I'll leave it on. I can't wait to get the Blu Ray. I can't wait to download it to my my tablets by computer my ipad. I just love the hell out of this movie. And and I really do think that you know, what I was late to the game like you were paraded at a tiff, and I feel like we missed out. But when we did see it. I'm like this is the movie of the year. This is the one to be for best picture. It deserves to be. I think it's a wonderful film. Again. I see your point it, didn't it didn't overwhelm all the other aspects of for me. And I'll I'll try to make us quick because I know we're, but you say, it's it's a feel good film. They want you to feel good. And I know that when I. Think about racial relations in the mid twentieth. Century, the deep south would I want to do is feel good. I don't know if that's fair. I think that's actually selling the subject really short. I think that they end up producing a really important topic into something that is incredibly simplistic and mainstream and reassuring in a way that people can go. Yeah. Racism is bad. But not actually explore it in a meaningful way between two characters who and had a real life relationship. They have a lot to offer each other. But I ended up feeling good. And then I felt bad about how good this movie made me. So in thinking about that. I definitely do see where you're coming from as well where I think this really worked for me, though, is how good they all are at putting you in these characters shoes because the they're both in in a situation where they're not felt like he can't fully understand. What doc Shirley is going through down in the south. So it's letting you see how he isn't impacted by that situation. And then with doc stocks. Shirley. And and just the fact that like he is an into with all of that culture that beagle. Morton is so Vigo Mortenson character is so well aware of it just all converged in a way that I've never really experienced before. So it was I appreciated the opportunity to step into someone else's shoes. And get a different perspective one that I didn't really expect. Because if you hear about a story like this. And I mean, just like a one sentence log line. It's like, oh, look, I know where that's going to head. But no, these are especially with doc, Shirley, he's in a position where he so isolated and that that really kind of crushed me throughout the movie, and he had to open himself up to other things. No matter what your race is what your background is what your sexual orientation is he just goes through this whole journey. Happy to be open to everything and understanding everything and assessing himself, and I was kind of just so overwhelmed by all of that flooding into his life while that while that isolation that he feels is still there. But anyway, in terms of this being a crowd pleaser. I think the thing that I held so tight to at the end of it was that making I'm not using this as an excuse. But making it such a charming crowd-pleaser. It's gives you the opportunity to push good messages out there, even more. So where I think we do need the things that really dig deep into these issues, and maybe give you a more difficult watch. But with this the thought of this movie being out there and me being able to tell the masses that this is something that will bring something good to your life. I am holding so tight to that right now, and I'm just so thankful this movie exists with you completely. Let a great on. My letter grade for this isn't a minus a bibs down. It's okay forms was a really good. I'll give it a c plus. Ooh. Wow. That hurts. All right. But I respect your opinion. Okay. Moving on 'til like with all the streaming services. These days there's a lot to watch. I mean, you got the movies in theaters he got the boot race. And now that Netflix Amazon, and Hulu are stepping up the game on the film side. You got movies to watch on on those as well. This one is coming from Netflix. It's streaming now. So the you don't have to wait for it. It is called outlaw king. It's directed by David McKenzie who directed hell or high water the movie stars Chris pine Aaron Taylor Johnson. Based on the true story of Robert the Bruce the Scottish outlaw king who overcame the odds to defeat the much larger and better equipped English army in the fourteenth century Caja. What do you think this is a lot, you know? Here's the problem. I should not have watched this film at like seven o'clock in the morning. Maybe that's probably. You need to see it at seven PM. I don't know. I'm not suggesting that you have to time your films on net. Flicks. Compared this a lot obviously to Braveheart. Oh. I'm not the only one I think every anybody who seizes film. We'll do that. It's got the Scottish king thing. It's a medieval film on McKinsey is from Scotland I think so is not prescribing his films are pretty much set into that character. And so if you like medieval films, if you like historical films, you might like this. I like the way it was shot. I love the action sequences. But the story was disjointed to me. There were a lot of things that I thought could have been better connected. I didn't think it needed to be this long. There were certain scenes that could have been cut out. There were times where they were long on certain scenes that I thought we could cut that to like a thirty seconds off of that. And then the other scenes that I wanted to see them expand on I love Chris pine. I mean, he can do no wrong. Mr. Star Trek for me. I really I really do love him. And I was rooting for this film. But I walked away wanting more, okay Perry. I did not see this one. That's right. Okay. So I'm with you actually in a lot of ways I impressed with the scale of this production. There's a lot of really incredible like one takes shots where you really get a lot of different perspectives, and that's a really really cool production. And I think the action is very very exciting. But the story is Dulles dishwater Braveheart without an emotional. You want to see all the stuff in Braveheart? It looks Justice schools Braveheart, but you don't care that's outlaw king. And I think a lot of it is a screenplay. I think it's very twos. I think if you haven't just watched Braveheart because Chris binds character is the same character Angus McFadden played in Braveheart. It's unofficially a sequel, but you kind of need to watch both back together unless you know, your history because William Wallace has mentioned a lot. He's important plot point, even though you never see him when he's not all of them. And you got Chris pine his character is kind of shuffled around by incident and politics, he's got a romance. I never felt it. I never cared. Chris pine is a wonderful actor with rare exception. I'm gliding Heller water in this. He's a better charmer than I think he is a serious actor who can carry a lot of emotional Garoppolo toss. And so you see a film like, I don't know people like us and glasses crate after going in that movie. But whatever might point is my point is I don't think this wheelhouse. Don't think for his Scottish accent is. But like that he's not bringing it. He's not giving me the gravitas. The character needs is not bringing me the tragedy the character needs. He's just kind of there and the movie desperately needs more than that. Because it's a huge huge with lock going on. And man, I need to care. I listen, I agree with both of you. The look of the film. It's epic scale. The medieval battles the costume design. The bleakness the just the dirtiness of living during that time period. I mean, it's everything's always muddy. I mean, but the story didn't grab me the characters didn't grab me the story. Didn't it just felt like it just sort of was what stitched together without without feeling without emotion. And in the end. Just in terms of the look of it. It's been done. It was called Braveheart, and it's gonna if you're gonna compare outlaw king the Braveheart out ball kings going to be compared unfavourably corrects Braveheart is Braveheart won the Oscar for best picture nineteen ninety-five. So all right. Let her grave. Oh, it's definitely just a C minus. And I'm being kind me to give it a C just because like, I think the actions cool, and if you just want to like ignore the plot and just cut to all the beheadings and stuff, you're going to do this is awesome. But if you're actually paying stories nothing I cannot thank all of you enough for being here for this is a jam packed super-size movie review talk Keiichi where can people find K Jay Mathews TV on both, Twitter and Instagram. All right, Perry, Twitter and Instagram at P, number often checkout collider foresee? Yeah. Oh, where am I? Okay. Hey, everybody, I host the podcast critically acclaimed schmos, no network. I also host the podcast cancelled too soon where we review TV shows the lasted only one season or less, and I'm on Twitter at William Bibbiani my review. Jian and the ramp and make sure you catch me at demands on Twitter and Instagram and make sure you share collider's movie review talk with everyone. 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