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Fashion: Alexander McQueen

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Fashion: Alexander McQueen

"Due to the graphic nature of these events listener discretion is advised this episode includes discussions of sexual assault and suicide. is extreme caution for children thirteen. On, March Thirteenth Nineteen Ninety five Alexander McQueen's runways. Show was the hottest ticket in. London. The event situated on the sprawling east lawn of the natural history. Museum was completely sold out. It was a huge night for the rising fashion star. He was only twenty six years old the pressure was on. Backstage McQueen made the final adjustments on several beautiful lace dresses. Suddenly he grabbed pair of shears and slashed them. He instructed an intern to do the same with a knife McQueen's mother screamed and cried, no, don't spoil them. But McQueen wasn't worried about ruining the garments fish was all part of his vision. On the runway battered and bruised models down the ripped dresses, exposing their breasts and underwear the shell and the clothing collection were titled. The highland rape critics responded to the show with rage. They called out McQueen as a misogynist for glamorizing sexual assault and violence. But McQueen insisted the public misinterpreted his intent and the historical context behind the clothes he was making a point. This was a common occurrence throughout his life career and even his death. This is the dark side of a podcast original a show where we will delve into the seedy underbelly of pop culture icons and historical events. We aim to expose the ugly truth behind cultural moments and public figures. We hold most dear proving that there is always more to the story than meets the eye I'm your host Richard and I'm kate you can find all episodes of the dark side of and all other par- cast originals for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts to stream the dark side of for free on spotify, just open the APP tap browse and type the dark side of in the search bar this season. We're digging into fashion from its troubled origins all the way through the never ending churn of fast fashion. Last week, we looked behind the scenes of fashion TV shows like the now defunct Victoria's secret fashion show. Today, we're diving into the life of Alexander McQueen. One of modern fashions most iconic designers his life was rife with darkness right up until it came to a tragic end McQueen was a beloved fashion icon in the nineteen nineties and two thousands celebrities such as lady, Gaga Naomi Campbell and Riana have all walked Hollywood carpets in his glamorous gowns. But behind his masterful designs was a misunderstood genius who battled Complex Trauma Addiction anxiety and depression. Coming up, we'll examine the darkness of Alexander McQueen's early life. This episode is brought to you. By Casper, you're most life changing sleep is about what's underneath with a Casper mattress? You'll get the cooling supportive comfort you need for the most refreshed feeling every morning only at Casper. Dot. com. Throughout the nineties and the two thousands, the world new Alexander McQueen as the hooligan of English fashion he even earned the nickname law voluntary, blah a French expression for an unorthodox successful rookie, and that was the essence of the Scottish fashion icon. McQueen was a highly skilled avant garde designer who relished in breaking all the rules he thought of his clothing art and he let his pieces uis drama on the runway but while his artistry was publicly on display, McQueen quietly struggled with mental illness which affected him and his family early on. Born Lee Alexander McQueen on March Seventeenth Nineteen, sixty nine. He was the youngest of six children as his mother Joyce gave birth his father Ronald had a breakdown. He was checked into a mental hospital in East London. The event had to pervasive effects on McQueen. He developed a strong bond with his mother and he became fascinated with mental asylums. That interest later inspired some of his designs. His father recovered two years later and taught his six. To work hard he expected them to take on steady jobs even as teenagers and despite the emphasis on practical work McQueen kept an active imagination. He expressed himself through clothes early on in Nineteen seventy-two when he was three years old McQueen drew a familiar Disney image on his sister's bedroom wall Cinderella but with a huge and belched gown as McQueen grew older, his interest in fashion only increased he put together his older sisters outfits for them and grew critical of the clothes his mother Joyce bought for him. Instead of being hurt though Joyce encouraged McQueen's interest in fashion. The McQueen family went as far as entering him into a boys beauty pageant at six years old one which he handily won. And while McQueen was crowned the Prince of Pontins, he also nursed a crush on the second place finisher. It was the moment McQueen realized he was gay he kept it a secret from his family at first because his father was homophobic. McQueen once famously said I went straight from my mother's womb onto the gay parade. But his road to self acceptance wasn't as smooth as it seemed. At nine years old, he was allegedly sexually abused by his sister. Janet's husband Terence. At the time Janet had no idea was happening but her husband physically abused her two. On two occasions, hauliers, beatings caused Janet to miscarry. During another incident McQueen's saw haulier tried to choke. Janet. But Karma caught up to him years later, Hull your died of sudden heart attack while driving however the effects of the abuse stayed with McQueen for the rest of his life he felt hurt angry and robbed of his innocence. His emotions caused him too often retreat to what he called the dark place. Additionally, he developed deep-seated trust issues in relationships with other men. The effects of the abuse also bled into McQueen's relationship with Janet. Positively, though he saw her as a strong fellow survivor, he wanted to protect her and other women from harm. Express this vision in the best way he knew how in his clothing designs, he started thinking of the outfits as a kind of armor in his teens. McQueen poured new found enthusiasm into his art classes the only subject where he got an A. His classmates always saw McQueen drawing dresses in a sketchbook ardglass became his second home and sixteen year old McQueen continued to pursue the subject after graduation in. Nineteen eighty-five. That point he wanted to finally turn his drawings into real wearable dresses. Starting that September he studied tailoring at the West Ham Technical College in Stratford. England. The classes help McQueen make his first garments for his sister. Janet they were by no means perfect at least one piece of clothing fell apart. Still he strived for excellence McQueen read books on textiles and experimented with photographing outfits with hard work and persistence his technique improved over time. Soon, his designs were featured in a school sanctioned fashion show his family didn't think much of it. Even Janet didn't attend but his mother Joyce remained supportive even suggesting he could find a potential job to pursue his passion in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, six, they watched a TV news report about an apprentice shortage on savile row London's. District Joyce told her son to go there and apply. Soon after McQueen took London transit to the headquarters of the prestigious Taylor Anderson Shepherd on savile row. Following a short interview, the head salesman hired. McQueen. As an apprentice, his mentor was a master tailor of jackets. He soon drilled padding stitches into McQueen's head over and over it was very tedious work but it honed his sewing skills. While he enjoyed the work McLean felt discouraged by the homophobic remarks of his fellow apprentices. It was a dismissive and derisive culture persisted in savile row shops. The AIDS crisis in the nineteen eighties stigmatized gay men McQueen didn't know many other LGBTQ plus people and felt isolated. The anti-gay statements made him feel ashamed about his identity so he kept to himself and floated from Gig to gig honing his craft with other Taylor's designers in January of Nineteen, eighty-eight he moved onto an apprenticeship at another well regarded Taylor gives and hawks but yet again a year later he left due to the company's homophobic culture before long McQueen, had grown tired of short-term GIG work. He was done being apprentice. He was determined to become a designer in his own right but he wasn't sure how a former boss recommended returning to school to establish his credentials and network. So in October of nineteen ninety McQueen started the fashion masters program at Central Saint Martins an art and fashion school. Fortunately, they considered his previous industry experience equivalent to a bachelor's degree central Saint Martins encourage students to experiment and express themselves classmates and instructors. Recall that McQueen was insatiably curious constantly asking questions he relished in critiquing others work and creating his own. For the first time, he felt like he belonged McQueen drew on dark periods of history for inspiration. As an example, he was obsessed with serial killers both real and fictional. He told his friends he was related to infamous London Murderer Jack. The ripper who slashed the throats of six sex workers in the eighteen eighties McQueen used those. In his final Saint Martin's project attend piece. Clothing Collection. Titled Jack. The. ripper stalks his victims, McQueen called it day into evening where inspired by nineteenth century streetwalkers the clothes came within unexpected personal touch inside the skirts and jackets McQueen sewed his own pubic hair into hidden pockets. Pubic and other personal hairs also covered the collections program booklet. Understandably, attendees were shocked later McQueen explained a common Victorian era practice inspired him back. Then sex workers sold their own hair. Then byers gave those locks to their lovers as gifts. McQueen's said, it was about me giving myself to the collection. It was the first time his offbeat artistry was misinterpreted, but certainly, not the last. However, there was someone in the audience who understood and valued his show influential British Vogue stylist. Bella blow. She offered to buy his clothing collection McQueen was skeptical about her intentions but blow persisted she repeatedly phoned him and his mother. Joyce. Until he relented finally, McQueen gave her a price five thousand pounds. Blow agreed though it was a rich sum of money for her at the time. She, arranged to pay him in installments little did McQueen. No. This one sale would propel him into the worldwide spotlight. Next Alexander McQueen risks failure for his biggest fashion opportunity yet. Park Astor's looking for more lighthearted. Listen than I've got the perfect podcast for you. The new spotify original from park s called incredible feats hosted by comedian podcast. Dan Cummins incredible feats is a daily show spotlighting true accounts of mind-blowing physical, strength mental focus and bizarre behavior. Join Dan. 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Soon, McQueen realized that he and blow were kindred spirits despite her family's wealth. They shared a dark history filled with tragic deaths and suicide like McQueen. She used fashion as an armor and an escape from grim realities as the two grew closer blow began to call McQueen by his middle name Alexander. She thought the moniker sounded more grand for designer and McQueen obliged professionally he started going by Alexander McQueen the twenty-three-year-old designed clothes for blows British vogue photo shoots including one featuring her and her husband. It was a huge opportunity for the novice designer. McQueen's outfits were hit the British vogue spread was published in November of Nineteen, ninety two. But despite McQueen's career milestone, he was still broke twenty-something who lived primarily on unemployment benefits. He kept designing clothes but was desperate to keep his state. Payments his main source of income. Thus, it became an increasingly tricky situation when McQueen started to receive press attention soon, Aski- magazine journalist wanted to write an article about McQueen's clothing. He was excited about the publicity but panicked about a photo of himself being published. He had always been self conscious about his appearance, but he was also scared to lose his benefits. If the UK's Department of Social Security spotted McQueen's photo, they might think he had a steady income after all and cut him off. On the day of the photo, shoot McQueen and the photographer came up with an idea. McQueen wrapped his own face in gaffer's tape. It was an iconic photo that introduced the world to the designer yet allowed him to hide his identity. McQueen continued to peel back his layers through his art revealing a small collection titled Taxi Driver in Early Nineteen Ninety three at the Ritz Hotel In October of Nineteen ninety-three, his next collection was ready. He and his friends hustled to secure the venue and lighting at a low cost and the event turned out to be unlike anything. The industry had ever seen his nihilism collection embraced the eras heroin chic look. But the style wasn't just on trend. McQueen's vision was person all he took inspiration from how his sister Janet survived domestic abuse. The pieces were splattered with Red Dye, mimicking the look of blood during the show, the design critics and photographers on the catwalk. One model gave the audience the Middle Finger. McQueen's vision though was misinterpreted again, journalists called it a horror show while critics renewed accusations that McQueen was a misogynist at the time fashion shows weren't judged as works of art they were simply showcases to sell clothes. McQueen wanted to change that his shows were nearly theatrical. He saw them as a way to make dramatic statements about taboo issues. In this case McQueen. Wanted to show women standing up to and surviving abuse just like his sister despite the backlash customers still wanted to buy his designs from the nihilism show. Especially McQueen's signature pant the BUMSTER dumpsters. The ultra low rise trousers were decidedly seductive and the industry love. Them. In fact, his design kicked off an industry-wide low rise pants trend. McQueen was becoming an icon, but he was still broke. So he had a new goal create more commercial clothing ready to wear outfits with impeccable tailoring McQueen. Did just that in his banshee collection in February of Nineteen, ninety, four in Irish folklore benches were weeping women who are able to predict death McQueen. saw this year as being a strong women in charge and McQueen wanted to channel that mantra into shaping his public life a few days before the show he publicly came out to the Daily Telegraph. Predictably, this move made some waves, his mentor Isabelle blow admonished him for his decision. But McQueen thought she was being old fashioned. He didn't want to hide who he was. He wanted to embrace every aspect of his identity. The fashion industry has long been home to many queer designers and McQueen belonged to a thriving community of other gay men. In the summer of Nineteen ninety-four twenty-five-year-old McQueen fell in love with twenty six year old Andrew Groves after they were introduced by mutual friend Macqueen even hired him to work on his collections. Their relationship was tumultuous and dramatic McQueen and groves drank heavily went clubbing often and fought in public. Additionally, McQueen experimented with drugs and know Andrew has said he never saw McQueen doing them. The designers personality clearly shifted when he was drunk and high. After a few drinks, he'd reveal his darkest thoughts he could get violent any would occasionally disclosed thoughts of suicide, but this aspect of his personality remained largely private under the bright lights the fashion world new McQueen as a jovial rising star McQueen and groves broke up in. Nineteen. ninety-six. But soon, McQueen. Had A new right hand man or woman rather stylist Katy. England? She became his brands creative director. Many people called her McQueen second opinion England worked on McQueen subsequent shows including the contentious highland rape in March of Nineteen, ninety, five, the ripped couture, suggestive nudity and bruised models. made it the designers most controversial yet? The industry was shocked and accused McQueen of glorifying sexual assault on the catwalk but he denied those claims to McQueen. The rape was a reference to the failed Scottish rebellions against English rule in the seventeen hundreds. As a result many scots were evicted by the English his statement as an artist was that England had raped. Scotland McQueen was also taking aim at another designer Vivienne Westwood. In one of her collections, she made a traditional Tartan inspired by her third husband Scott in her show. The British designer highly romanticised eighteenth century Scotland, which angered, McQueen. Tim McLean the era was anything but romantic, and he wanted to make that inescapably clear Westwood took the subtext of the show personally and fought back saying his only usefulness is as a measure of zero talent, which only set the European fashion industry more buzz about the highland rape. Soon, Hollywood embraced McQueen's close to musicians, David Bowie and bjork war. McQueen designs on their album covers and according to his daughter actor Dennis Hopper thought McQueen was a beyond talent genius. mckean was catching his rising star high end American stores, Neiman Marcus, and Bergdorf Goodman stocked his. The prestigious UK Boutique Browns bought his collection and the British fashion awards named him designer of the year. By mid Nineteen ninety-six Twenty, eight year old McQueen was one of the most in demand designers in the world other labels took notice in the fall of that year luxury Paris brand GIOVANNUCCI offered McQueen the plum job of creative director as one of the top management roles in fashion he'd have more influence than ever and McQueen would make four, hundred, fifty, thousand pounds a year more money than he'd ever made. But he didn't jump to see yes he'd have to move to Paris which had a more elitist fashion industry than London. Also, McQueen was never a fan of the label to a friend. He wants called Giovanni dresses horrible McQueen went back and forth for a few days before settling on a decision in October of nineteen, Ninety six, he finally put his reservations aside he accepted the job and moved to Paris. The fashion world and the press were in shock. McQueen was only twenty eight years old and had only made eight collections. His shows were controversial to say the least. Meanwhile. GIVENCHY was elegant luxury brand from Paris. It seemed like a round peg was being forced into a square hole. The Guardian called McQueen a bull in a fashion shop many industry people thought it was all a publicity stunt everyone anticipated that McQueen would fail Giovane she's certainly had high expectations for McQueen. He was responsible for making four collections a year, which was no small task on top of producing two shows annually for his own label. McQueen claimed he wasn't overwhelmed. He said, I, may be quite mad on the public circuit but I've got my head screwed on tight with a wrench for help he hired his favourite collaborators including stylist Katy England. McQueen, even brought on his boyfriend at the time Murray Arthur to help with accounts. The one person missing from that roster was his former confidant Isabella blow while McQueen was thankful for her support he also wanted. To distance himself from blow, she was flighty irresponsible and prone to acting radic one time. She accompanied McQueen and his associate on the Eurostar train to Paris while waiting on the platform blow befriended a young model and convinced her to swap clothes in public blow and the model thought it was hilarious but McQueen was humiliated with the amount of pressure he was under he couldn't count her work to reflect positively on him Giovanni. Blow was devastated by this denial. After all, she was the one who purchased the first collection he ever made. She saw herself as his mentor and number, one fan to her McQueen had callously cast her aside still blow dutifully attended his first Giovanni. She show in January of Nineteen, ninety seven and on that night all eyes were on the designer. Even the models were nervous. The show's theme was the myth of Jason and the argonauts McQueen thought the quest for the Golden Fleece would fit nicely with GIOVANNUCCI zone white and gold label. He even made a concentrated effort to tone down his own style but of course, McQueen couldn't help but include his own small touches. One model wore a gold body suit and a white satin coat with an excessively long train. Another woman on the runway wore a wig made of hair shaped into horns. Other models bared their nipples which were painted gold despite his best efforts. The show was McQueen's signature style not Javan cheese the fashion world called the display to youthful and outrageous for the brand later. McQueen admitted that the designs were bad. His first show for givenchy had failed. And it wouldn't be the only one. Next, Alexander McQueen bounces back, but his mental health takes a precarious turn. This episode is brought to you by Casper you're most life changing sleep is about what's underneath? This is a casper mattress. Inside precisely one, thousand, five, hundred, and one perforations creed cooling system. So effective, you won't be awake to notice. Only Casper mattresses are made with eighty six support of Gel pods to align your spine and eliminate aches and pains. It's The cooling supportive comfort you need for the most refreshed feeling every morning only on a casper mattress only at Casper Dot Com. Now back to the story. In Nineteen Ninety seven twenty eight year, old Alexander McQueen's avangard designs propelled him to the top of haute couture fashion. His success led to an appointment as Yvonne cheese creative director, but his first runway show for the French label was a massive failure. Critics panned the collection as wildly mismatched for the brand. His subsequent givenchy shows didn't do any better for his number thirteen collection. He recruited Paralympic Athlete Aimee Mullins for the show. Both of mullins legs were amputated shortly after birth due to a medical condition and this inspired McQueen to push the envelope. Even further, he designed wooden legs for her that looked like high heeled boots McQueen wanted to empower mullins but many critics accused him of exploitation. mullins herself denied the allegations. She said this notion that I must have been manipulated by Alexander McQueen was so insulting this fiasco was followed by yet another serious accusation. Plagiarism. To college students alleged McQueen stole to dress designs from them and use them for Jeevan she. McQueen denied it to escape from the mounting bad press, McQueen and his boyfriend Murray. Arthur traveled back to their native Scotland. In the summer of nineteen. Ninety seven they rented a cottage in a quiet village cooking and playing dominoes were a welcome change of pace for the hard partying McQueen. But despite the peaceful vacation, McQueen would still have to return to the pressure givenchy and managing his own label. Back in Paris McQueen and Arthur resumed their partying but the relationship became volatile. The couple argued about everything at one point Arthur overdosed on pills vodka and gin, and while he survived the relationship didn't McQueen continued drinking and using cocaine while single by nineteen, ninety eight, he added promiscuous sex to the equation to. His partying even spilled into his professional life in his acceptance speech for an international. Fashion Group Award McQueen said I'm so drunk I can barely even talk clearly something was terribly wrong which was a jarring contrast. Sin Shows for McQueen's own label receiving glowing reviews in the late nineteen nineties. More Hollywood stars like, Kate. winslet DNA OMI Campbell war his designs by two thousand one he was free from his Yvonne contract, which opened the door for Gucci's Tom Ford to buy a stake in McQueen's owned company Ford wanted to open boutiques for the brand all over the world. This was the new McQueen, a global iconic brand. He had conquered England and Europe it was time to take on the world. But despite his accolades and talent he felt that one thing held him back. He was overweight. The fashion industry was filled with glamorous and extremely thin people. McQueen felt like a pariah, but he hoped that his talent would take the attention off of his appearance they might like his designs but fashion critic still ruthlessly mocked his appearance. One critic said McQueen's nickname law Fong Terry Blah should be Ella. Font Terry Blah. Another called him a Walrus. Comments like these only made his body image issues worse he realized that if he wanted to be taken seriously around the world, he needed to do something about it. McQueen knew he needed a more marketable look he envisioned a suave sophisticated appearance like Calvin Klein or Ralph. Lauren and he was willing to take drastic measures like plastic. In order to obtain it, he'd risk his health to be the face of the brand. McQueen booked inexpensive liposuction procedure before his thirtieth birthday but just a year later he gained weight again from his luxurious lifestyle he'd recently married documentary filmmaker George Forsyth in ABC's Spain. The couple and their guests supposedly partied so hard that McQueen never wanted to return to beezer however the marriage ended a year later and McQueen still wanted to lose weight. He hired a trainer yet McQueen's cocaine addiction. made it difficult to maintain a healthy routine? Because he was always on a high or coming down from one, the trainer refused to work with Queen. So he decided on yet another severe measure in two thousand one. Gastric band surgery McQueen lost twenty, eight pounds in the first three months. He was excited about his appearance and finally felt good about himself. But something was wrong. Soon. was undeniably gaunt and Pale the cause was one of the most sobering health issues imaginable. In two thousand and three McQueen came out to friends as H.. I. V. Positive while he managed the virus with medication McQueen still felt tainted. He referred to it as the bug and return to recreational drugs for an escape from his grim reality. Friends estimated that McQueen spent six hundred pounds a day on drugs including cocaine. He also entered into yet another volatile romantic relationship, which was largely based on drugs. Still, the public was none the wiser professionally McQueen was doing better than ever his fashion shows received praise and his clothing sold. Well, he was heralded as an icon privately though McQueen felt like he was losing his closest allies when stylist Katy England left his company to design Kate mosses top shop line McQueen was devastated. Additionally his mother Joyce was experiencing kidney failure and endured dialysis three times a week his former mentor Isabella blow had a mental breakdown as her marriage ended despite their sometimes rocky relationship McQueen paid for her three month treatment. He always felt like blow was a kindred spirit. They had similar demons and insecurities. He felt her pain and darkness. So it pained McQueen. To the point of despair to watch your spiral blow received psychiatric treatment several times over the years by two thousand six she had attempted suicide many times tragically, she was diagnosed with ovarian cancer just a year. Later he visited her one last time in April of two, thousand seven. During. Visit McQueen was high on cocaine the entire time he convinced himself that they made peace with each other from their conversation. McQueen thought blow was doing. Okay. But blow was reportedly heartbroken to see her successful friend her one time menti addicted to drugs. She could tell he was barely present during their visit. She felt like McQueen let her down. She hoped for more support from him as she battled her own demons shortly after on May seventh two, thousand, seven, forty, eight year, old blow died by suicide. McQueen was devastated to hear the news he felt depressed and saddened to lose his biggest supporter the first person who believed in his work two days after her death. McQueen was so desperate that he believed he had to contact blow in the afterlife. He visited various psychic mediums. He also requested a lock of her hair so he could make a ring McQueen wept throughout blows entire funeral service. He blamed himself for her death and wished he'd done more to help her. He said her passing left a big void in his life blows death cracked open the broader feeling of uneasiness in McQueen's own life. He started to see a psychiatrist who diagnosed him with mixed anxiety and depressive disorder. His many symptoms including fatigue and irritability were clear indicators. But after the diagnosis, McQueen didn't commit to maintaining treatment. He rarely kept his appointments a year later in two thousand eight McQueen's seemed more optimistic. He talked about how blows death inspired him to live life to the fullest. But this all might have been a cover in order to protect his business. After all his brand was booming he opened a Swanky New Los Angeles Boutique on Melrose Avenue and McQueen's deal with Gucci was still going strong. He celebrated his thirty ninth birthday lavishly in new. York. City. With his celebrity friends. But in private McQueen was grappling with his demons more than ever he became fascinated with the afterlife he researched. Marilyn. Monroe's suicide at length. He read Buddhist texts about dying and unexpectedly he gave away a prized possession. McQueen give his on and off again boyfriend archie read several keepsakes including a vintage cartier watch studded with diamonds. When read ask why McQueen said that's to remember me by. He refused to clarify any further. As his fascination with death grew McQueen's lifestyle became more self destructive. He experimented with crystal Meth and engaged in group sex parties. Those highs replaced the joy. He wants felt from his own success. Suddenly, his professional work made him feel empty and hollow McQueen's one celebrated. Gucci deal made the design airfield trapped and unhappy. He expressed this displeasure in his February two, thousand nine show the Horn of plenty. The collection attack the fashion industry the models faces were covered in white makeup. The designs themselves were references to other designers. One dress in particular was made to resemble a raven a symbol for death in many cultures. Sadly, death was at the forefront of McQueen's mind that year in a conversation with a friend, he said he'd already designed his final collection. It was a shocking admission for such a successful designer. Few would consider retiring at the height of their career, but McQueen's plans for the show went beyond shock value they were incredibly troubling. McQueen said in my last collection I'm going to kill myself I'm going to end this. The forty year old designer wanted to stand in a glass box on the runway and shoot himself. McQueen had already drawn up a will and set up a charity to help the disenfranchised a close friend immediately called McQueen's company offices to report his mental state. But a staff member insisted the designer was fine. But these were all placations. McQueen's family clearly saw that he was struggling. His sister Janet tried to talk to him about his drug use. But even during their conversation, he was high and acting radically, he tried to overdose twice in the summer of two thousand nine. McQueen didn't want his mother Joyce to know about his behavior at that point she was dying of kidney failure. He didn't want to worry worrier he even avoided visiting her for periods of time scared to face the severity of her condition in immense pain at the hospital Joyce died on February second two, thousand ten. McQueen. was consolidated when he received word. The thought of attending his mother's funeral was by all accounts too much for him. Nine days later, McQueen had dinner with friends. They were surprised that his appearance he seemed more put together than usual overall the night was pleasant. Afterward, he went home and grabbed a book Vo. Fe. Von linkages the descent of man. McQueen wrote on the back cover. Please look after my dogs. Sorry. I. Love You. Lee. PS Bury me at the church then forty year old McQueen hung himself. His family was in shock and so was the fashion world. Some. Critics blame the industry. The pervasive question was why more wasn't done to help McQueen with his mental health? There had been such clear signs something was wrong but as his own psychiatrist Dr Steven Pereira said it wasn't so simple. McQueen was very secretive and had trust issues. He felt disappointed by many of his friends. But he swung between being overcome by sadness from these issues and pretending all was well. However. His mother's death may have been the final Straw after she passed. He may have felt like he had little to live for. McQueen left behind a fashion empire, a legacy of groundbreaking clothes and dramatic shows yet the immense pressure to innovate despite the success and wealth it brought ultimately. So deeper issues. Money and fame didn't make him happy. Even if the world was wearing his clothes, McQueen wasn't the only modern fashion designer to battle a combination of internal demons, pressure and scrutiny. Eight years later in two thousand eighteen kate spade suicide shocked the industry. Knowing her brands happy go lucky reputation. It was a sobering moment. Like McQueen, she too felt pressured to hide her struggles in order to protect her business. These stories remind us of one striking reality. The glossy -ness of what we see on runways in magazines or social media is rarely an indication of quality of life for Alexander McQueen despite the wealth and fame associated with fashion the clothes he loved so much could not protect him from the harsh realities of the industry. Even fashionable armor has its holes. Thanks for listening for more information on Alexander McQueen amongst the many sources we used we found Alexander McQueen blood beneath the skin by Andrew. Wilson. Extremely helpful to our research next week, we'll be back with the dark side of fashion Nova and fast fashion retailers. We'll explore why having the hottest trends right at your fingertips also means stepping into a revolving door of consequences. You can find more episodes of the dark side of for free on spotify not only does spotify already have all of your favorite music, but now spotify is making it easy. For you to enjoy all of your favorite are cast originals for free from your phone desktop or smart speaker just open the APP and type the dark side of in the search bar will see you next time. 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Alexander McQueen, wildlife crossings and Lee Broom

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He is what's coming up the joy of presenting McQueen to our public is that they are acquainting themselves with this fact that fashion can operate on the level of contemporary art we had to Saint Louis Missouri for a new exhibition showcasing work from the late fashion designer. Alexander McQueen are remember standing on the top of this completely artificial pile of wood chips with little struggling plants about ten centimeters high in the blazing sun and looked at the forest on either side. What animal is ever going to cross this plus how ecologists in Australia of working with suburban. Bush land to help Koalas Kangaroos and wallabies when I initially started my business, I kind of run it like a fashion label. Didn't know any other way of doing it. Finally, we take a look at how product design at Lea- rooms design trajectory by the way of fashion and interiors gave him an edge. All that coming up right here on Monaco on design on monocle twenty four. I we're off to Saint Louis Missouri to the art space, Barrett Barreiro projects. They're a new exhibition introducing Lee Alexander. McQueen has just opened and features garments, hand-drawn sketches, patterns, and other materials from the celebrated British fashion designers career. Let's take a listen to exhibition curated Jessica Baron on this period of McQueen's career and how the exhibition captures the lyrical side of fashion design. She started by explaining how a Missouri based institution became the manager of the world's largest private collection of garments by McQueen. The founder of Breyer projects directed a small museum called the World Chess Hall of fame in Saint Louis for a while and her vision was to bring art and also fashioned to this venue and one of her most visionary exit was a project called a queen within she was looking for ways in which fashion intersected with chess and McQueen. Of course, has a very famous runway collection called. It's only a game that was realized on a chest type setting and that led her into becoming. Frankly, just sort of obsessed with McQueen, she started collecting his work, and then once she left the World Chess Hall of fame, she developed Bairbre projects and continue to develop this collection. So it's really been I think. Let's see since about two thousand thirteen that she's been amassing objects. Given that we are here in Saint Louis still are in the process of introducing people to leave L. Alexander McQueen. The joy of our of presenting McQueen to our public is that they are acquainting themselves of this fact that fashion can operate on the level of contemporary. Are there still is this I think I'd say a general perception that the the two or maybe not. Compatible fine artists somehow operating in in a realm in which fashion does not necessarily fit in. So McQueen especially this figure especially since savage beauty presented his work who has I think really been able to create that bridge between fine heart and and the fashion community. One. Of the most remarkable pieces is a very early work from highland rape which was. A controversial show, of course, even starting with the title, but it's deconstructed dress that consists of cellophane and automobile spray paint. Little bits of thread weaving through it. I think that what's so remarkable about it is that it is using such unconventional and actually everyday materials, and this is maybe the joy of the show itself is at a number of the acquisitions that we've acquired are from this period from around one, thousand, nine, hundred, five to nine, hundred, Ninety, seven, which is before McQueen, of course joined the AFC von she this is. Shortly after he, of course, graduated from central Saint Martins and he was just really operating I'd say like a visual artist in a studio without any money just surrounded by a handful of friends and they were not working with I, guess would become later accessible to him but high quality materials of the traditional sort. So the fact that he went out clubbing one night with a friend and saw role of cellophane. Let's make address out of this, and in fact, did do that and then that material reappeared. In this particular address that we did acquire to me is just such an amazing thread to these early days where he was. An artist essentially before a brand before he had access to all the sort of sophisticated means through which he did develop in fact, groundbreaking textiles whatnot there was always this core of innovation even with the most common materials early on and I just love that human connection to Kinda scrappy diy aesthetic. That again was also very much informed by AVANGARD club culture. He notably was always a huge fan of bowery had seen Leib our perform what I'm wearing a number this time with a fabric face, you might have noticed and has a star Green Star. or I like to call it a staff fish Moody's, which is around by secret term using quite heavily the season that kind of aspect kind of playing out through the use of cellophane in this particular dress, and then of course, I'd say the other interesting aspect of the show that I think was just a joy to be able to see what is what makes McQueen. So special is that once he did gain access to all of these more expensive materials are really incredible and large group of people through which he collaborated. It was still McQueen's. For. In a Horn of plenty the OH, mosh to Leigh bowery still exists but it's of course it's done with digitally woven venture cards as opposed to maybe silkscreen fabrics which he was doing early on. So I think that that's what sort of the real joy of putting this show together especially with our new acquisitions as you see, the authenticity of his vision from those early days to the league career, all extinct, and I'm in the office elite blood specialist decided to. This. She. Eat frequently turns film for the concepts of his runway presentations, and that's something that we actually of pull out in this new exhibition. Introducing Leah McLean is specifically sort of charting the various cinematic sources that inspired his runway shows from the hunger. There's some alien strange my. That's right. WanNa knows what is it To overlook to the birds. To they shoot horses don't they but that was ultimately he called deliverance and drawing this cinematic connection is also really Accessible way for people to understand that performance dimension. Nothing. Nothing in the least serious. I mean he was really thinking about not merely close on bodies but close on bodies that are moving in performing in an orchestrated space with sound and this was I'd say getting the closest equivalent would be something like creating directing a film. Given that we do have like I said this this amazing early dress that was made from household materials. We also have his patterns that he hand cut in designed. We have some deconstructed garments that he hands sewed and and as well as some of his earliest sketches around the era of the the hunger collection was that he was a person. We think about the business of fashion right now is these inaccessible multinational conglomerates in which maybe a human is lost in that narrative the idea of someone making something by hand. I think there is also a very important narrative about the industry that is sort of nested within McQueen's story. He straddled the moment in which the industry released shifted from almost being a a space, very similar to how contemporary artists work in their studio or maybe another analogy would be with poets. The first person lyrical I that a lyrical poems, the expression of the Self, and then what happens. When you do get all of this financial investment and all of these remote partners and capacity to franchise I think that most of us are familiar with that version of the fashion industry rather than that sort of lyrical version of fashion making as a personal handmade pursuit and I do really love that the show makes an effort to not only show the evidence of that. Version of how to make clothes and use fashion as an expressive discipline but then bridging it to his later career, and again how he still was the same person and I think that's also why people are so attracted to McQueen he really was able to remain the same despite all of the blessings and curses that come with, of course, having such extraordinary means suddenly. Available, he was really able to not just see those as ways to simply challenge expand his vision as opposed to potentially compromise it on some level that was exhibition curated Jessica Baron speaking to Monaco's mainly. Evans there, if you want more on the venerable Alexander, McQueen listen back to Monaco on design episode one, hundred and seventy nine dedicated to the designers legacy and impact. Now. It's all well considering how design affects and impacts humans. But what about our neighbors in the natural world as cities creep further and further into the surrounding countryside humans impinge on the habitats of on native neighbor's lawn of the major threats to these landscapes are roads which had dissecting while habitats at a rapid rate industraliazed ecologists. Design hats to try a knit together the remaining patches of urban bushland so that kangaroos and wallabies can hook happily through their environment. Brisbane correspondent. Mikhail. Aitken hiked up socks and brave the possibility of python sightings to find out more. Brisbane it's one of Australia's fastest growing cities. and well, climate driven architecture in much-needed transport links are developing apace. The car remains king here. The construction of new roads or expansion of existing ones is one of the biggest sources of habitat, fragmentation for wildlife. This fact alone has led to the development of a completely new brand of science road ecology. This is a very lucky applies to leave this Koalas all around here in Brisbane, but a huge number of the moving now on the road that's professor Darrell giants from Griffith University. He's an urban college est who unfortunately through necessity has developed a specialization in Rhode Ecology. Many years ago Professor Jones was approached by local government to find a solution for keeping Brisbane Koala population out of oncoming traffic. He did this by adding legends to the cove it that run beneath the roads. It was a massive success and these ledges of the standard-issue design that a now used across the city. But in early two thousands, the government came back to him with another problem. What about those large animals? The ones who aren't quite like getting their feet wet that will be impacted by the Compton road expansion in the city's west there was just an ecologist I didn't even know what road ecology wanted those days, but I was somebody who? was working in the urban environment. So I invited me onto a small committee and we all just sit around thinking what on earth that we going to do he we we didn't know what was going on anywhere else in the world that we came up with a lot suggestions and to our great astonishment and relief the engineers on the project said that sounds fascinating. This we can do this. This is an engineering challenge. Let's solve it with engineering design. And so they did the team use to massive suicide design bieber arches to effortlessly spend the full lines of traffic. On top when thousands of tons of soil and Mulch and eight thousand plants that match the native Bushland on either side. I remember standing on the top of this completely artificial pile of wood chips with little struggling plants about ten centimeters high in the blazing sun and looked at the on either side, and also watch animal is ever going to cross this thing. It's just so artificial. It's just ridiculous yet fifteen is on the Compton road overpass is the most studied animal overpass in the world besting from the top side of the smooth curves is crystal eucalypt forest brimming with small lizards, birds, snakes, and spiders, and come night time you've got your native mice, Kangaroos wallabies and Koalas. It's a vital wildlife corridor and a beautiful patch of eaker architecture to boot the company. Right one fifteen years old now is a fairly simple design the new ones that are being designer all around the world and just spectacular, really flowing organic looking shapes that go over the road Professor Jones recently assisted tollroad operator Trans Oven to build another animal overpass one, hundred percent privately funded this Eloina street animal bridge cost a little over twelve, million euro. It's eighteen meters wide with a clearance height of five point five meters. It boasts playful oblong edges and artwork by the local school. And a just a year old the bridge even with its sapling growth is a popular. Thera Fab. In just a few years time, it will have caught up to it's more luscious older brother at Compton road just a few kilometers away darrow. Should we go and have a look at Your Hodousek? Absolutely let's go. Okay. So just come off the road. You can hear it behind us and we've walked through a gate. Just found a delivery, that's the first name stood anyone is spotted. He will done I thank you so much. From what I'm looking at right now, we're looking at the overpass and it's essentially Bush. Land wouldn't be out to tell the difference between the forest behind us and the overpass was the intention but I never thought it would look this of us. You know all this not obvious because it looks exactly the same every time I come here I think, I, have to remind myself. This is effectively artificial. People put those plans there in the ground and yet it's now leaving ecosystem exactly like it should be very intelligent design. Would you say? that. Now, we didn't think we didn't think at the time, but we did something right. Monocle in Brisbane I'm Michaela Aitken. Thanks to Monaco Brisbane correspondent Michaela Aitken for that report. Since, two, thousand and seven, the london-based furniture and lighting design. Lee Broom has produced collections a familiar objects with a striking contemporary twist, which is unsurprising. A multidisciplinary designer whose creativity has graced the worlds of fashion and Interior to Monaco's Evans, met Broom to find out how trajectory informed by a background in fashion design provided a point of difference from peers. In the product design world, I think that working in multiple disciplines from sort of like the history of me working has essentially the first thing I did was give me a point of difference. You know I wasn't formally trained in product design. I studied fashion design at central Martins and I worked in fashion and when I started my part design company it. Just. Made me think in a very different way when you're not formally trained in that arena, you kind of do things slightly differently. There's almost a naive t to what you're doing in a certain respect and you have no peers that are doing the same thing. So you come at it with a very fresh pair of eyes. I think that was one. Of the things that really allowed me to be successful in this industry was that point of difference when I initially started my business I kind of run it like a fashion label because I didn't know any other way of doing it I. Think it played to my advantage in that respect you formally trained in fashion design at centrist Martins and then moved. Into Interiors Weiqing in that food for a few years what was the impetus for the leap into product design and stop the brand Lebron and produce lighting, and I've been designing interiors for about four years with Maquis my partner at the time and just after she moved back to, Japan, I wanted to start my own brand and my name that during that. Period of designing interiors with murky we always try to design bespoke pieces into the interiors whether it be lighting or furniture will seating. So kind of built-up a UK manufacturing team that could assist me in making furniture and lighting. So when I launched broom, I had an idea for a collection and I wanted to release it and that's all it was at. That point I didn't really have any may Japan's to necessarily continue and do a collection every year in London and Milan than in New York I was going to continue to do interiors but collection did very well and I became hooked in a in a sense it closer to fashion and interior. You're creating a collection you working with materials it's very precise. I was going to motion or connection with the pieces as a functional connection, and I also didn't have to focus as much on the kind of juror ability that you have to really exercise in commercial interiors, which is what we were doing bars and restaurants. So in a way was a complete segue from that and initially the first few collections were almost. Like art furniture piece is impractical in a certain sense, but really focused on craft and heritage and panned manufacturing. With many of your pieces as this running threads of miliary of taking something that people know and recognize and shifting it slightly adding more contemporary spin on it with an object like Christo which gains a lot of popularity when it was first Houston unshowy. Tell us more about what what was the design process behind that will up until designing the crystal bowl by designed a lot of fun at Cha pieces and lighting. But they were incredibly high end pieces and I wanted to do something that still had a sense of craft that was still very high end but that was more accessible in a way and also smaller and also I. Actually at that point wanted to give my friends, gifts and you. Can't gift aside board it's not an easy thing to do. So I wanted to create something that was kind of more simple. We could produce larger quantities of and I've been working in crystal for a little while we had a product called the decant light, which was like a hybrid of Drinks Carafe, a light fixture, and then I had this idea ripta cristobal but essentially, it's taking the classic industrial light bulb and combining it with decorative cut crystal. Whiskey glass. So both of those objects have a relatively people and they kind of almost have a nostalgia I guess particularly with crystal you think of your parents or your grandparents and then everybody knows the light bulb and think at that point as well. I guess I design geist with it because bell light bulbs becoming very popular and also led technology starting to emerge as well, and I, decided that I wanted to make this product led. So I actually created my own led light bulb which gets inserted into the crystal. So you also don't waste the crystal when the bulb goes out, you just basically replace the. Insect. So there was a lot of elements from a sort of technological aspect of it that worked as well. You know it was my most accessible product, but I've said this before it's probably the most expensive lightbulb you're ever GonNa buy and it just captured people's imagination and I think the idea of familiarity people having seen something like that before but not done in that way immediately, you have a connection with it very, very quickly. So a product like that can become very successful very quickly if you're working at the bleeding edge technology or materials, it's more difficult for people I think to get their heads around. It takes a while to sort of consume that Mu type of information but with this is kind of like we've seen it but we haven't and we love it. It's not the easiest thing to put into every single product but it is in my DNA to design in that way to take things that we've seen before and produce them in ways that we haven't that kind of DNA runs throughout my collections I think defeat. It's important to have an understanding of the guys of what people are looking at right now or do you push away from that when you're designing and coming up with ideas for a New Collection I pushed aside I mean really a don't focus on what's happening out there very much at all, and that's the honest truth. I don't really look at interiors magazines more likely to look at a fashion magazine to be honest, and I, just don't focus on trends. I don't think about the Zeitgeist I. Think as soon as you do that it's game over because you're not being authentic and now you're approaching your work. I. Just do what feels familiar and what I enjoy taking things that you've seen before potentially is also a good starting point you know when you're designer working for yourself with your own brand. Canvas is very, very bland and designers need restrictions to a certain point to be able to work successfully and certainly a brief. So I just look at things from history of art from architecture brutalism definitely in product design. From the Nineteen Twenties Art Deco Bow House. I think they're Kinda Revolutionary Times in design and the work that was produced in could have been produced now. Since we haven't really developed that much aesthetically. So I think is a periods of history that I reference often in my work, and then I also go further back to the eighteenth century. We did an exhibition in Sydney. Australia, last year could park life where I created a modernised version of an eighteenth century pleasure garden, which was amazed and period. Fascinates me not necessarily so much with the art, all the products or the furniture, but just the whole Sensibility, the age of enlightenment, a real change in history those periods where there's been a real change, fascinate me the most and I take those and then I kind of re purpose them. But in a very contemporary modern way, not all products are made in that way. Sometimes, I'll just have an idea I have a very good memory for things that are visual. So I can see something a few years ago and then remember. It now and put it together with something that I've just seen. So it's really kind of switching yourself from what's happening in terms of being an entrepreneur I, guess you sort of have to do the same there as well. It's again what I said before about having a point of difference in doing your own thing and being authentic yourself, and essentially it's me and I am the brand. So it it feels effortless to a certain degree you know but very hard at the same time that was Lebron there speaking to May Lee. Evans. And sadly, that's all the time we have on today's show. But if you can't wait until next week for another dose of good design, then do listen to a five minute mid week sister show. Monaco. Extra airing Thursday, and for even more monocle designed coverage, seek out or subscribe to the magazine Head to Monaco. Dot Com for more. Today's show was produced and edited by mainly. Evans. Thanks to our research Nick Minnie's and Charlie Phil mccord I'm Nolan. Giles, thank you very much for listening and goodbye.

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The Morning Briefing: Tuesday, February 11

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The Morning Briefing: Tuesday, February 11

"Ello I'm Danny Boyle with the briefing from the Telegraph. It's Tuesday February the eleventh and the hunt zone more possible corona virus patients. So just how many others of being infected officials are working to trace patients of to Brighton base. GP's they were among eight people in the UK so life. Aw diagnosed with corona virus. It's understood they contracted the illness from a super spreader on a ski trip in the French Alps. The fear is they might have already policy pulsed virus onto their patients health editor lure Donnelly report. Some bryson resident's fears that being kept in the dark and our global health team of written up the symptoms victims to be aware of and how to protect yourself early today. The death toll in China past two thousand yesterday was the deadliest yet since the the outbreak began. The worry is that Chinese authorities are struggling to control the spread. You can follow all today's updates as they happen in our rolling coverage now if you live outside London it's possible your buses might be a bit hit and miss that will hopefully change. Boris Johnson's Today. Unveiling a five billion pounds. Transformation of the nation's bus services it will buy four thousand zero emission vehicles with more frequent services and better routes what's the PM's also approving slimmed-down version of ain't chess to today follow the political fallout from that in our live blog and it's been a turbulent evident few months for the royal family but there's another royal revelation the Queen's eldest grandson. Pizza Phillips is to separate from his wife autumn. It's after twelve of years of marriage. My colleague Victoria would reports on claims. Mrs Phillips May want to move to her native Canada following the conduct chess of Sussex Bright Brian. Stay put. If you're listening on WHATSAPP into those links now listening on spotify apple or wherever you get your podcast. You'll find them in the show notes as well as links to the so-called mentioned attention tax explained why would put the Bank of Mom and dad out of business and remembering Lee Alexander McQueen ten years after his death. That's it you're up to date. Chris will have your second briefing of the day this evening.

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In Conversation with Pink Tartan Designer Kimberly Newport-Mimran

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40:29 min | 1 year ago

In Conversation with Pink Tartan Designer Kimberly Newport-Mimran

"Get afternoon everyone thank you so much for coming out today on this useful sunny day during Toronto Fashion Week we're live a silent live audience never once before today everyone in my family's dismay because I came from a family of teachers and dentists and scholars and it was fashioned whistle and what was your family like growing up I was born in Niagara Falls I'm fifth generation Canadian so I have a long history they settled early age in your blood from the beginning yeah just loved it was it something that you enjoyed playing with even as as a young girl like experiment worlds and I think it's part of your personal style and it's part of just getting out to face the world every day and I just always his loved the idea of when I saw something that really resonated with me whether it was in a movie and I didn't have a lot of exposure to fashion as a young girl I grew up in a suburban town I had a very nice childhood no big traumas yeah and I loved fashion from lows like is it how the actual textiles feel on your body is that something kind of internal that happens well I think your clothes are your armor to the always enamored with Alfred Hitchcock I thought that the girls were so impeccably dressed I wanted to be that girl maybe not Marnie but there's a few join fashion you're in Niagara Falls what did you do when you're finished high school did you go to a management program to design so I went to fashion school much addressed I probably made a few mistakes in my life especially sixteen seventeen I thought is super fashionable I think I kind of pulled it back but it vision that that version of yourself in I have to say that I think film really plays a part in when you resonate with the film and I was it's just you know I worked in retail I loved fabrics I loved working enclosed I love styling people how would you describe what you love about they live on your body so they're an extension of you so I think that's where it all started and even as a teenager I mean we had fashion crimes in those I would have liked to be and I always thought that Audrey Hepburn was just the epitome of a fashion icon. It's funny you said sensible profession hume what are you doing so I came to Toronto and I took a fashion merchandising management program which was at George Brown and it was really interesting because it opened my eyes to it's like every industry fashion is actually not what it seems and there's that because there was the dress in your collection last night that I thought was so breakfast at Tiffany's with digress the reference for sure and so you and I am thrilled today to have Kimberly Newport memory with us we're going to talk about so much about your journey and the exciting news if people were at the show last night with your new line it's fabulous and we're going to talk about that but first let's start at the very beginning where were you born tender ages do tuber call a certain style that you were like Oh this is where I feel best or particular outfit that you oh my grandmother was impeccable but that was my only point of reference but it it's just you know fabrics are very important because they're with playing dress up or absolutely I loved close I don't I was just like I love food I love clothes I love art but I really loved the art of getting it's so complex that you really need to study it what are the complexities that that kind of resonated with you at the pick that'll be great it's not really about that the numbers all have to work and the numbers have to work from a gross margin standpoint they have to work from a pattern time well fabric technology merchandising do not everything is numbers it's really really interesting because every pattern that I measurement standpoint it has to work from a grading standpoint if we grade something and where one quarter of an inch off those clothes don't fit runway part the kind of takeover sometimes but I it's it's truly to be a great fashion designer you have to really understand you know the the AAC it's all about math so it's a it's a really interesting it was an eye out of style I love this is so great it's so interesting it's so such a precision back tends to get glossed over I guess because you love the exciting kind of like selling men's ties when I was fourteen years old what was that like for you I I thought it was the topper to everything so they put me it's a career that the odds are so against me so I decided to go into art did a good job got promoted but just didn't have the passion for it is that I really learned on how math yeah well I went into buying so that was a really interesting I loved design and at the time when I was picking a store was funny yes you're bringing me back and retail state in your blood after your your post secondary school yes Nicole aspect when did you start working in retail I smacked my lips don't live TV didn't swear my list it active buying but one of the buyers that I worked with that needed an assistant in the product development side in that category recruited me over and did you transition from the bay to something else so I was recruited into product developments so that was a whole different I just can't I think dads and husbands across the Niagara Region probably thank you very much for the advice that you were giving father's birthday effective on is there a difference between product development and designing absolutely how would you parse that out okay so I have to say that a lot of great designers are good product developers and a lot of good product developers on great designers. They're two different I once she did that you sort of got the foundation in the fundamentals started which is the wax on laxa story and affects a retail business. Can you share a little bit more about that because I think that is something that we still see like from your Mr Yagi moment through I would say I started retailing US fourteen so it's been in your blood from an early and I started menswear like my career started mentor but I started and what I had to do is allocation plans all day long if the most boring job for what I didn't realize that the time when I was born Arctic development is how do I get it made and designing is what do I do to create this idea and movie when I was a kid wax on walks up so what I didn't realize is that my first job was an allocators in a buying Byron Training Alex react and how to build a garment perfectly and that's what I love Alexander McQueen Alexander McQueen was a mess name driven company I started it in accessories I was a specialist in denim and then I went into menswear so I did get your turn so that you get your sales it's your gross margin dollars because once you take a markdown you start to lose gross margin so I really learned that not knowing what I was learning being with with some designers who talk about the challenge of the precision of menswear and just really locking into that sort of buying and and I have that karate kid story that I tell so Mr Yagi is like wax on wax off you get wisdom from part of it and you started at at the Bay I talked HCC and Wendy because I was doing it and I was an assistant doing it and the part that I wanted to do with all I want to go to the show rooms and pick the close but I had to do that Taylor but he was so he was a genius that he could deconstructed in such an interesting way that it resonated in the a tie department and I I really would try and thoughtfully pick something that would go with the perfect suit and that was my department when I was like designer worked with the men's team so I really got you know a fundamentals of Fashion Caban came along and it was more lifestyle in the world so I you know there's just something so interesting about being in great at something and then the creativity is just the national sort of Juju that makes it work it must've been hearing you talk about your your excitement around product development having is lifestyle concept that my husband is so brilliant I remember it being one of the like I remember the store down on Queen West and and strategies to get to the end results and was club Monaco one of your next kind of important move on are there wasn't a lot of Canadian designers the only one that I'd ever heard of at the time was offered song so I thought no it's like kind of being an actor from club Monaco every day and every day was like how do we bring great taste every day and you know there's a few businesses that is done a very good job and that's where I found my happy place I I love product I love making it I love working on it so really opens opens my pers- Home and you had just graduated and was doing all of that at the time it was such a new world for how to create my own space and you sort of build into okay this is when it works it works and what it doesn't it doesn't and you have to address it when it doesn't and what works hopefully when I look back at that time for you and look at the time we're in now it must've been you referenced those those days in terms of product development and they're being tailored garment is just the fundamentals to it. This is such a thread a theme that I've heard several times so I would design things to go into the store and they would sell and not really a great reward. Monaco is transitioned the right word or grow into Caban must have been just like your happy place absolutely so I worked as a product developer I was never present day and we'll talk a little bit more about that hyper competitiveness that is the fashion industry so there's your sort meant is putting an assortment together it's having a time line on the floor so that you a to to sort of be Uber Lee creative because it's really about the technical finish to make a great blazer it's very all men's tailoring so I really learned how to build the garment and I have to say in menswear you just it doesn't give you the last air somewhere along that way you founded pink Tartan where where did where did things go from from your time as a product developer at Caban definitely a message in it and it was it was quality at little understated and so it was it was a really fun interesting the project to work on and with that we had we opened a big Caban store on Queen Street now club. Monaco is down the street so we wouldn't didn't WanNa Double Park all the soft goods so is lucky enough to have the opportunity because I was a developer to put capsules I just woke up one morning I decided I'm GonNa make women's clothes and call it pink Tartan because that was a reference for it there's no room for error really like it's not as forgiving were you was that part of the challenge that you loved I loved it because it really it really taught me how galloper that could execute design which was really fun for me as it's we're eats when you do something that just feels right so when just being this bounty of throws and the things that you know as someone who is setting up my own kind of I have this beautiful sort of just hand stitched leather jackets it was it was very expensive and the it was hard market the price point in Canada's so I sort of moved to Canadian production and had a big win with how beautifully we made shirts it was my favorite color I had just had this baby girl pink was like all around museums I can turn was born what was your first collection this when we were noodling the whole idea was about Tartan and I assumed I would do because that's where I cut my teeth and you can wear tested you know it works you know it doesn't work and I'm extremely passionate about how fabrics react on your body into founding your own fashioned way so with Cabana and I got my first little sort of taste of doing design myself that I could execute so I was a product of lipped and it was just the perfect white plate like you we we we put things on a place Mat Ashiq place mat so it was really l. and you know I I I explain about Caban just for our listeners who aren't familiar with what that wonderful brand was was a concept which started love to work and I truly loved to work and I love to make things so had a little bit of time off I had a premature daughter and she's like really maybe and Exited CLA Monaco sold it Caban was no longer and I was married I had a baby girl technical what fusing you put into it makes a difference how you cut it the lapels but it doesn't like womenswear it's a little it's a little easier because and have a amount leave we kept talking about okay well maybe we'll go into luxury men's business like I lake so easily I mean it happens like you never have the right one hundred percent mixture it's like something sells too fast something cells I loved putting a lifestyle a certain together now pink Tartan was in wholesale department stores and it got edited down so I'd start with two hundred pieces in the experience with having two bills an assortment plan in seeing sales it was building assortment that work in that format so I had a little bit in Canada so it's still a signature of my pink Tartan collection and it's something that I think is such a classic wearable if you like it sounds like you were designing for yourself the pieces I always felt there was something missing and you can't cut products you can't get one of things that does that unless you're doing couture you're making in many ways like a busy young mom on the go who has stuff to do I mean it sounds sort of cliche but when you are your customer I am then it kind of flows it does art with a bricks and mortar location or did you use a wholesale two percent wholesale for the first ten years so is one hundred percent hotel for the so it was just like picking the right fabrics giving it a great cut making it modern and I was able to to build a brand did the brand action was like amazing so when you go to market it gets edited down and you get bought like so my two hundred amazing collection ended up being fifty you have a crystal ball to understand that all and what made you decide to open your own bricks and mortar location okay so I loved command so much also thrilled that she actually wore the suit to the event to show me how much she loved the product I made that must just kind of fill you up if you're ever kind of assortment around it so I bring in beautiful into I would buy collections and I would buy contemporary I would mix them all together to put understood what the business of making product and having it sell in the turns and how deep you go in because you can make a mess I felt was the lifestyle concept and how what was the response to that really amazing you know I've been so fortunate in my career that I I've been two channels and how do you not cannibalize what was in club Monaco in Caban yeah no I think that it's there it's it's a gross right I think when you go through different career change astle that there was always something missing so I wanted to bring in other brands and be multi branded so that I could show how pink Tartan with shine with the Mike do you remember we I have pieces from the first collection that are down in the basement that are like so I I actually made the first collection in Italy so it was all made in Italy I did a trunk show with she wore a suit mel I can remember when every suit was made because I make them and it was probably is and you work on different product or you work in different categories it's it's a growth in the process that happens and from the wonderful I'm Donna Bishop I'm the host of fashion talks the podcast about observing the world through the lens of fashion of an edge because I had been on the other side of it so I could now designing make products so that I could see could understood slow you have no sizes in this these four sizes you have a million in these so it's really about just kind of trying to to resume the Detroit best feeling I got is when somebody comes up to me and says I love your clothes I had a woman to say okay like people are voting for this yeah that's the goal of retail alad retail and what was it like when I on my first or second collection which would date it was fourteen years old the suit needed to be retired after fourteen years but it was her favourite zoot and I was so I ten years the pink Tartan what did that teach you about your brands that helped you continue to evolve and develop well because of my I bet and when she got to be about a year I was like I need to get back to where it was going to do immense and we call the Tartan so everything we reference it will it's so wonderful win a piece or design becomes part of someone's style and I'm always about you know style having the wind taken out of your sails as this business is one to do having that kind of connection with your client must be so gratifying bashing talks a great day awful moments of celebrities choosing to wear your designs are those things still important though celebrity moments is kind of mixed a whole bunch of questions years ago you've seen the launch of ECOMMERCE and weaving all of these instant you were pre instagram but yet had like one are there metrics that you prioritize and look at every single day sales without without sales you have no metrics yeah don't they are do you know what what's important is what resonates it's not actually who wears it if it resonates with someone and I think that the whole okay the high point shoulder measurement so map is so important and it it it makes everything work feeling you're like it's happening I've had a few because I'm a veteran now but I have to say that there's a difference between Oh versus sending something in visiting it you can kind of nurture it really closely how do you keep track India of just finding your audience that you resonate with is super important to make a business work do you have a moment where you kind of had that Lake tinguely gene paying for an ad and having a great editor pick it up and shoot it that's the authenticity comes from and when talking about how everything is math and we've just had this wonderful conversation about like the designing and the clothing how are you keeping on top of to make the math work or you don't have a store and you don't have a collection and you've seen I mean retail has changed so much like from last week to last year or two I swear at the time showed up in vogue someone picked it it had nothing to do with the connection it was framed for me and is one of one of the when I have something really special that I want to feel really good and I want to walk in and again I go back to it's your armor that you're going into that room with so it's all about every day you know I have a beautiful store that we can actually see right there you have it's squid sales per square foot you uh-huh because that's something you've touched on a couple of times but last night was the launch of your latest Brand Kimberley Newport how and cut sizes I have to look at how pricing it I have to look at making sure that the bust is a certain like measurement that the waste and the bust so I did a very beautiful and it's very Canadian Kuchar I'm making it with a beautiful house that every single stitch indeed or we have an important limes- or we will have an interview or we want to impress somebody and then what do we wear when you have to go to a gala like what do I true highlights of my career and how does that how do you kind of make sense of that in our digital age where instagram has Martin we have all aspects of our life that we live so whether it's what do we do when we walk the dog what do we do when we come home from work and we need to cook something what do we do when we have to sit in a board meeting a big enough team that I have different segments that can kind of be back that to me so you have to look at your fabric costs you have to look at your consumptions I have to look at what the it was beautiful how do you define that brand from pink Tartan so I feel lifestyles because I know you're quite involved in all the aspects of your business are you still watching the math or you have to I have to I don't have I don't have the luxury of tell matters so that's what I launched last night is keeping a bit of a Canadian almost Canadian threat and that would be to like on point but like because it goes so fast and the whole digital community is allowed every single person every everybody can sell something the beauty of making clothes in Canada which is challenging and hard we it it is a challenge is that it's here beside me so everybody does sell something where you used to have to you needed something you had to go somewhere to get it now everything comes to you so it's it's just so interesting that I definitely haven't figured that side of it out but I think that the more and more authentically you speak to your the in story behind what you do is that something you think about a little I think it's just part of my DNA it's like just who I am and what I do I think it uh-huh such a platform for the fashion world well I think that you know it's it's evolution so it's really about how things evolve and I don't think anybody's figured customer and if it resonates that's where the payback comes and do you consider speaking to your customer it's very hard for me to do all the marketing side of it as well so I find that I'm probably a better personnel making things and marquette winging it needs to reassess that because it has to be they both matter and I see some brands that you know what they market so well anytime you have that touch an e newsletter the website coming into retail do you know what it's a monster and it's a beast it's very hard so I actually create close I and I realized I WANNA get back to the role fashion plays in your in your life because you talked about being armor and what it meant you when you were younger what's your relationship with fashion like now while I've never lost the love for and they are so successful but the product isn't grapes so you know it's just that trade off I think it'll it'll balance out as we get catch up the art of getting dressed I do think it matters how you present yourself I mean if you look at psychology and seven seconds somebody who it but it does really really move fast so sometimes you're believing us something is good for you and you love it but is it really like we can get drunk on our own Kool aid there is an attachment to how we live our lives how we feel and that's how we look and how we present ourselves I think that is the main reason fashion always notice it until after the fact but fashion plays a role in our culture are there key moments just to build on that a little bit where matters does is it can be tool for for confidence empower men and women absolutely can see I love the sixties because there's are you resonate with what fashion and culture were doing simultaneously at that time well I think that yell for instance the sneaker there's you up so I always want I feel when people feel confident in their clothes and you make clothes that make women feel confident that they feel better so and we were talking about the impact sex in the city had on the shoe industry and I think it's so interesting how that has turned completely on its head and the sneaker is the biggest trend of cross the board it's wiped out so many shoe stores it won't always be there but the sneaker is the moment and I love so it moves like and it will continue to move but we do have cycles and fashion and I think those cycles are sometimes it went from a soup culture to a like polo culture and sneaker culture so which I think is and I think it got tech is a little bit anti fashion and which is it just what we're living with it end you know what it's it's made work more casual sitting at computers we weren't in boardrooms and out there is this kind of insular way of interacting with our colleagues that yeah it has disrupted how people get dressed for the office so it disrupted my my my work where business what I think when our professional lives became aw I it's just interesting you know these guys are all wear a polo and Chino it looks great but it's a moment all the sneaker is is the shoe does your do you see that happen with clothing can you see that sort of parallel I I you do I mean that made center city email has changed everything changed everything and I was speaking with with Ron Ron White recently movement in the sixties that it still resonates with me I was a baby in the sixties but it is part of our culture like it we don't the Gucci explosion where more is more is more is more and it's actually looks like the most amazing vintage store and everything's hype beasts logos refined talking about fashion with the younger people in your life well I definitely have a style or private it allowed us to be more casual in how we dress private I think we're

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Fashion History Now #17

"The pandemic and a revolution happening at the same time, we get to choose what kind of society we want to build and who we want to be together. I'm baritone date, Thurston author activist and comedian, and I've got a new podcast. How To citizen with Baritone Day our democratic experiment is at a tipping point, but which way we tip is up to us. iheartradio is number for PODCASTS, but don't take our word for it. Find How to citizen with Baritone Day on the iheartradio APP or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, I'm Brian Huskey. I'm bald and I'm Charlie Sanders. I'm also bald and we want to talk to people about Charlie. Did you know that the less hair you have the more interesting you become? Yeah of course. Everybody knows that Oh right. I mentioned it man well on our podcast ball talk we interview people about being ball. So Bryant is this show just for ball these charlie no hair os will enjoy this too. I mean the show is about perception insecurity vanity just like human stuff listen to ball talk on the iheartradio APP apple podcast wherever you listen to podcasts coming September sixteenth. Just, the history of fashion is your production of iheartradio. For seven billion people in the world. We all have one thing in common every day we all get dressed welcome to trust the history of fashion podcast where we explore the WHO what, when of why we wear fashion historians and your hosts April Kelaniya. Cassidy Zachary well, I wanted to start today's conversation with a bit of a heartwarming story upward the DOT com and the title is one hundred and nine year olds spent his final years knitting tiny sweaters for injured penguins. And if this sounds like incredible and adorable, it is all of those things because it's exactly what it is A. Little sweaters knitted for penguins. On Tell you all about it at one hundred and nine years of age. This is a quote from the article. Alfred Alfie date had more than enough reasons to spend the remainder of his days living his most relaxed life guilt free however, date the oldest person in Australia at that point in time was in two, thousand, six, fifteen, sixteen I believe he chose to use his free time putting out some good into this world and he found the most doral to do so putting his generous and still nimble fingers to good use. The centenarian volunteered to use his knitting skills to help protect little penguins exposed to oil spills which prevent them from staying dry. So he actually had been knitting since nineteen, thirty two. And he says the article he says I think I'd been in here at the retirement home for about twelve hours might have been thirteen before two of the nurses came to me and said, we believe you can it and then they asked him to start knitting sweaters for these penguins. And, it's for this program called knits for nature which helps Rehabilitate Ping. Wins who've been exposed to oil spills and basically the knitted sweaters keep the pink from. Their beak from like being able to like lick or like get their hands on these covered feathers because obviously ingesting that oil would be deadly. Oil also damages their feathers and it makes them more susceptible to colds. Nets for nature is an initiative of the Philip Islands Penguin Foundation which raises money to protect and support Philip Islands wildlife and according to the website. The last major oil spill near Phillip Island was actually in two thousand one, four, hundred, thirty, eight penguins were affected ninety six percent were saved. Thanks to these jumpers. Sweaters are known like England Indiana Australia. So he was knitting sweaters for them up until his death at the age of one, hundred and ten in two thousand sixteen website has a special place dedicated to him. I just thought this was a nice and uplifting way to start this week's conversation. If you WANNA learn more you can go to Penguin Foundation Org dot a U and you can even when you go there you can download your own rehabilitation jumper pattern and start knitting yourself that. I love that story. I'm a fun one too, and this is not necessarily. Strictly, nature. But this is more a new scientific development which apparently researchers at Harvard. John Paulson School of Engineering and Applied Sciences which they refer to as sees S. E. A. S. have fared out a way to create. Carrington sheets by Three D., printing these sheets, and they're taking the Carrollton and basically from Angora wool, which has been left over from the wool trades and they have figured out how to give it quote unquote reversible shape memory, right? So they explained that. Because of the the structure of Carrollton, a lot of times when a fiber is stretched or exposed to something particular that the structures of it on coil, and then when it's restored to its natural environment, it will go back to its original shape. So we experimented with this a little bit in Grad School Cass right when we would try to figure out how to take the wrinkles out of textiles. That have been stored crumpled for years and years and years like fabric has this kind of inherent memory to it wants to go back into its original shape. So this is like taking that to like nth degree of like tack right and they figured out a way to tell material what it's permanent shape is and and let's say was exposed to water and then it unfurled once it was like. Original conditions, it would go back to his original shape. So there's a video that's so cool where they had created the character she originally and like an origami pattern, and then they put it in a tube, find it out, put it in a to a rolled it up. Then we put it in the water, which is the trigger for it went back into us. Origami shape interesting. I might not be doing the best job of explaining this, but we will post a link to the video where you can see all of this happening and long story short the gist of this imagine if you had a t shirt right that when you started to sweat, t shirt would automatically vent itself to cool you or one of the other applications they were talking about was perhaps for bras that let's say your breasts had a little bit bigger like at certain times of the month you know. That maybe your Bra, would it be to kind of like read that an adjust for your body? So that's that's way further down the light but but that was really fun article and apparently the head researcher on this his name is Kit Parker and and he's a professor of bioengineering at the sees institute at Harvard. So we will post a link for you guys to check that out too reversible shape memory. Via. Three D. printed Kerrigan textiles that even textiles. It's more like a substance, right? I mean the future of fabric technology or I mean it's happening now really but the future of our closes. So interesting we talked a little bit about it last week and our future fashion episode two but like the technology that people are coming up with now the wearable technology, we've also talked in the past about bio leather leather being grown in lab so we don't have to you. Know. The leather industry doesn't need animals provide leather anymore, and that's exactly what this is too. So they're just taking the Carrington from like leftover wall creating this other sort of material essentially. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm so glad to hear that people out. There are trying to figure out ways to make our fashion industry better and more ways than one. So we will definitely keep you guys priced of technology as it develops. something I guess isn't necessarily technology although it is a very interesting way to wear your mask. There's this company called wires glasses, which is a generalist zero waste, three D. printed glass and Sunglass Company, and it's the brainchild of designer year newman who got the idea after he handmade a pair of sunglasses while on vacation out of a single piece of wire and he did this because his glasses had apparently broken, but he still had his lenses. So we like made his own sunglasses. So. That's really what this this company is based on. The wire is just kind of their signature look as it just as under the Lintz and he's joined by Social Entrepreneurs Lily Cole who's a Supermodel Kwami for era and they all founded wires together. So what makes these glasses so cool and why mentioning them today is because they came up with this kind of innovative way to wear a face mask that might be of interest to our listeners and according to an interview with ABC fashion for good, which is an instagram account they said at the beginning of the Cova crisis are production had been delayed for three months but also kind of had this idea of thinking about how. We could be helpful and contribute and wondered if it was possible to design a mass that would hang from the frames as opposed to from your ears. So after testing out what we came up with, we found this to be a much more comfortable experience to where rather than elastic ties behind your ears and less likely to fog the lenses of your glasses. While wire glasses frames are much thinner than most we specifically designed the holes in the mask wide enough so that people can use them ask on any other pair of glasses. So you could do this on your own glasses just by their mask, which is super interesting that you may own and they fit any optical sunglasses with. Arms Up to one point five centimeters wide. And you know just a super cool company either master handmade in the UK they use at school fibers. And fabrics and the masks are Hamid Order and they ship within three to seven days and if you buy one, they will donate a mask in hand sanitizer to a community in. NEAT cool. I'm going to right after we get done doing this. I'M GONNA, go check them out. So I have some auctions talk about ambulance and I really wanted to talk about the Augusta auction that's going to be on September nights. But I realized that this episode is going to air after the fact but let's just say I'm waiting with baited breath to see if I got my Bonnie cashin coates I have been on Oh. Cool. Yes. Tower tell listeners a little bit about that process because I don't think a lot of people know that you can actually do online auctioning and online fashion ox. Yes. So usually typically the bigger Augusta auctions which they're based in Vermont they hold one. Really Large auction usually every fall in New York City and they have a couple other options that are at their space and Vermont as well throughout here. But of course, Dacoven this year the big fall auction is not going to be live in person that's actually going to be online. So that's how I was able to be it in advance also to just a heads up. If you guys ever want to like on something at a live auction, they usually have a system set up where they have someone who can bid on your behalf at. That's just kind of like a standard auction practice. I can't speak specifically for Augusta, if they do offer that service or not, but A. Lotta Auction House do. But that kind of led me down the path of thinking about Oh. I wonder what else is happening in the world of auctions and did you know cast that at carries Taylor? They are about to have the option of Annabelle Neilson? Does that name Ring Belt you? It does not well, she was the best friend model and longtime use of Alexander McQueen. So Annabel passed away a couple of years ago at the age of forty nine and now on September twenty second, her entire hundred, twenty, four piece wardrobe of original Alexander McQueen pieces is coming up for auction. So yeah. So you guys can if you hear this episode in time, you can kind. Of head over there and check everything out they have a really detailed website with all the pieces. It's really incredible. You can also register to bid in advance if you would like to have been the live auction and Kerry, Taylor has another a couple of options coming up on October twenty seventh and December eighth also, and just a little worried about these two auction houses that I've just mentioned Augusta auctions in the US and Kerry Taylor in the UK, they specialize in fashion and textiles probably two of the biggest auction houses that is their niche specialty only. So you can also just go over to their website and check out past auctions and drool over so I was gonNA. You Kim. So I think for a Augusta actually for Taylor to I. Think you have to create a log in? Yes. But it's free and then you can like just spend I mean yeah. Hours and hours and hours browsing there archive collection because I mean Alexander McQueen is a fairly contemporary designer Bonnie Cashin mid twentieth century but then I mean all the way back as far as you can think, they have stuff. Incredible pieces from overtaken in century handmade lays the Augusta auction had some really beautiful who's back nineteenth century chap on robes in Ikat that were absolutely stunning. Some of you may have already listen to our IKAT episode So there's lots of good things to look at and and after the auction, they will usually post with a sales price was too. So I don't know if I've ever actually mentioned this on. The show before about I'm actually a certified art textiles appraiser. So that is how a lot of times. If we're doing appraisal on something, we might go to Pash auction results to see what the market is for that type of object or something similar that we're working on, and that's how determined different systems of value a lot of times. So those past auction sales prices are actually very important to our industry. Absolutely. If growing ECOMMERCE business is your focus UNITA platform that's focused on growth meet Klay. 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Easy to sleep number three, sixty smart. You can both adjust your comfort with your sleep number setting really helped me fall asleep faster. Yes by gently warm. You're okay but can it help keep us asleep it senses your movements and automatically adjust to keep you effortlessly comfortable sleepnumber proven quality sleep is life changing sleep. It's our biggest sale of the year. We're all beds are on sale save fifty percent on the sleep number three, sixty limited edition smart that only for a limited time to learn more, go to sleepnumber DOT COM. And speaking of fashion designers I wanted to talk about a Amazon. Prime TV, show that's been out for two years but I just discovered it and actually I didn't discover. Sean discovered it. So. It's a TV show called the art of style, and as far as I know there's only one season from two thousand eighteen but basically explorers de creative world that inspires today's leading artists and designers. So I don't know why there's only one season there should have been more because it's pretty incredible. But so interviews short interviews to like ten to fifteen minutes. I'm with people like Tom, Brown and his boyfriend. Andrew Bolton. Met. Curator. Irish. All. These contemporary designers but also fashion photographers. There's a really great episode with one of my all time favorite fashion photographer Tim Walker. He did this whole series inspired by Bosch and. The Guard Garden Yeah, Artists Bosh. E, Garden of your th Li Delights. If you have not seen this painting, it's actually a trip tech but if you haven't seen this Google immediately because it's this incredible painting from the Mid Fifteenth Century and you would think it was something that like a surrealist at least in the thirties but not in the fifteenth century. Shannon I. Actually stumbled across it not knowing. We were GONNA see it at the pro and Madrid just incredible. I don't even hot explain except for it's all of these different scenes of depicting people as they exist in heaven as exist in paradise, which apparently two different things and then in. Hell. In. So like it's just very whimsical, magical and little terrifying terrifying. It's amazing and Tim Walker who also does creates artwork along those same lines I would say, and that's why he's one of my favorite photographers because he really deals a lot with like magic and surrealism and just most beautiful fashion photographs. Check that one out. If you're going to watch one if you'RE GONNA watch two or maybe you have to both of them, you have to watch the Giorgio kief episode, which is the only one that deals with not a contemporary fashion designer and it's so well done. It has like contemporary footage of her she of course lived and worked in New Mexico. Her House she lived on this twenty one, thousand. Acre. Place called Ghost ranch we film there are a lot but I've never actually gone to her home which you can and I'm a little embarrassed to say that I haven't been there but. anyways April it's directed by Lisa Free-. Lind who you know. That name sound familiar sounds familiar to our listeners. It's because she's married to Alexander ruined who is the grandson of course? The legendary vote editor met Curator Fashion History Maven style icon. The list goes on Diane. And I have talked about this, asking. Lisa. To come and join us on the show because she did a really fascinating documentary on style taste maker. Author Costume Designer Ball Yvonne extraordinaire sessile beaten. Anniversary land yet good both yeah. So I think the last thing maybe when i WanNa talk about today is GonNa make you my friend very happy because what is your favorite period of fashioned history? That would be the team's? Well get this project. Gutenberg has done this incredible job of scanning. The one thousand, five, hundred pages of the Heritz for. Catalog. Oh, which dates to nineteen twelve. So lovely. Yeah. So it has fifteen thousand products in this. Took them thirteen years to scan it I'm not sure why took them that long because thirteen years is a really long time to scan fifteen thousand pages just the one catalog or is there more because that would make sense if there was like all the cattle no well, I, think it was just this particular Cadillac. It's not clear. But anyway, what is in this catalogue is like this compendium of fashion history and not even fashioned history but just like material culture of the era that is supremely fascinating. You know things like you can send in and receive your own custom taxidermy. Let's say you went hunting and you killed an elk while you could send it to heritage and they would take care of that taxidermy for you. The offer these services through the catalog Of course, there are things like custom tailoring. I spent quite a lot of time in the section for hairpieces that women could order for those elaborate kind of quashed and sculpted up dues of the nineteen. You could order your wedding cake from Haret's this catalogue you can order cameras, you can order driving goggles, you can order brass knuckles. You can order children's swing sets, furniture tea sets carly's. In one, thousand, nine, hundred, twelve. Don't buy a car lease it like which is very early on in this in this automobile culture itself. So a head over to Project Gutenberg and you can type inherits for everything nineteen twelve and that will pop up and I could have spent five hours just looking at this cattle and maybe I, will at some point and I just didn't have time. For our listeners you might not know heritage is kind of like the big luxury department. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah. So. It's like one of those mail order catalogs like sears or whatnot, but they probably have maybe more luxurious range of pieces I'm not sure exactly but they're kind of like a high super high end store yeah yeah. Yeah Yeah so you would essentially get this catalogue amount to your house and then back in the day you would send your money somehow. I. Think you and I've talked about this hour always like amazed how this like transaction happen worked, and then you would just get your your goods delivered sometimes in the case of sears an entire house. So as super fascinating, like you said, look back at material culture as kind of like an insight into people's lives that everyday life yeah yeah. Do. You have anything else for us this week I don't. Think. We've given people plenty of things to do or think about so great. So I think that does it for us this week. We hope that you will join us on Tuesday for our full length episodes as always. Thank you so much turn producers, Casey P. 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Side Jams 22: Eve Minor

Rock N Roll Archaeology

41:30 min | 3 months ago

Side Jams 22: Eve Minor

"This is Brian recent host of side, Jim a proud member of the Pantheon podcast network over the last few years, singer-songwriter leave minor has explored the depths of her heart through a diverse mixture of styles on releases like American tragedy and dear diary I'm over it. Each new effort offers something different. You might get a raw canto, valid a dark metal, dirge or an ambient trap trap. She does not limit her vision. She simply expresses herself in the moment with whatever approach works best. Sometimes, it's a blast of punk. You can check out of tunes in band. Camp you only of making music eve has a passion for fashion, and also immerses herself in Tarot in. This episode of side Jam. She spoke about what it means to have the gift of sight, and how to use it wisely by those who can see the future for others cannot see it for themselves, plus we delve into fashion. The styles trend designer she loves eve, also just moved from New York City to Los Angeles during the pandemic, and that was an adventure in itself. This interview definitely offers an ECLECTIC mixture of topics from an ECLECTIC artists. This quarantine has been kind of Nutty, hasn't it? Who Oh man I've moved this past month, so I've been in La for like three weeks. Some adjusting to that, but it's like. You're in New York City. So you saw what was happening. At the start of this whole pandemic so. We had it really bad in new. York, so I was like basically escaping New York in so many words where I was like. Oh my God like I need a little shift here. This is a little crazy, and so I come to La and it's fine the first week and now they're. What we and so, I'm like Oh my God. What do they do, so? It was what was the main reason moved to hit to do it anyway. To actually have this whole big thing. There's been some strange I've been S- crying, and it's kind of like a big universal energy shift saying for me where it's like there's something that I'm looking for in the universe, and the energy led me to L. A. so I had been planning this since probably January. And it's like maybe like last month. I was like there's never going to be a better time, 'cause you know. The. World's onto shit now I mean. It's like there's never going to be a better time than now so I was like just go. If what you're looking for is out there, just go, and so then I arrive tier and I'm just like I wasn't looking for another lockdown. I mean that's. That's a tall order to be moving across country during a pandemic. Oh my Gosh! Yeah! The precautions I had to take with flying and. Does everything in general I was super super careful. I got this UV. My friend Paul booth. told me that there's UV lights that kill and disinfect air right right so I this like UV light I sat in my lap. I had this like N.. Ninety five mask gloves hand sanitizer. My oncologist will meet a wipe everything with Lysol wipes so I like like a mad woman. Lysol like my seatbelt as her direction like my seatbelt, my. I was just like super dehydrated the hallway there I wouldn't take off his mask for Shit. Wow, so explain the whole S- crying thing. From practicing nation, since I was like really live, little and different his like I don't know if you dip nation is it's basically fortune telling runaway? Like looking into the future so scribe, you can describe with a lot of different things. Screen is pretty much just like looking into the future and trying to figure out for me personally where my energy's going whereas the next universal shift for me personal. Because they know, we're GonNa talk about the fact that you're in the Tarot Yeah I. Did you really great readings yesterday? I've been reading a lot lately. That doesn't make you make some money because side. It's interesting because somebody who's like naturally not to toot my own horn, but to to someone who naturally gifted and kind of like born with those kinds of talents. Money isn't really the objective like it's nice. I like I. Accept Tips I accept donations, but it's kind of this weird thing where it's like. If you accept money, you are in a propensity to lose your gift, because that gift is not for its Kinda like Kabbalah stuff, too. It's like that mysticism is not for capitalism. It's not for personal gain or benefit, so if I were to like I guess, put a price on what I do or make it about money or monetary value, materialism I would lose my gift and I. Don't want to do. So, I'll accept donations accept presence, but it's unnecessary. It's not really my objective, you know. What do you think of all the different fortunetellers that are around the country like have their own little shops or different events? Things like that well. I have an interesting thing about that. I mean I. was actually telling somebody. Yesterday we had discussed it because I had given her this really great financial and career abundance reading, and she was telling me how you know Oh. Wow, this is like the best. Best Reading I've ever had etc etc, etc, and telling me about other readers that she has gone to. I told her a story about like I went to this, because I do psyche psychic medium ship to, but they just kind of come out and readings like for example, my friend yesterday her father and uncle had passed away, and I didn't even know that, and they kind of came through in the reading and I had told her that they said hi and messages from them, but. We were talking and I've been to a couple other readers when I was younger and is kind of interesting somebody who's more inclined can be like. Hey, listen, you're full of Shit. Like for me I've gone to like one reader in times. Square and I was like listen. Don't even pull your deck, I. Know You're like and the woman laughed and she was like okay. Get of my store. Like I mean to look you either know or you don't. It's intrinsic. Knowledge is like a deep sense of knowing you either. have it or you don't your cards or your tools? They're not really you read at like for me. Personally I read energy, so it's like any asshole can learn how to read what cards which are really looking for. Is Somebody with a? Like intrinsic knowledge, someone with deeper feeling intuition stuff like that so like for me. It's like the cards are just like little place holders. I'm really just psychically reading you. Cards and shops and stuff like that. Yeah, it's like a cool little gimmick, but if you're like a real reader, it's somebody that's not going to be at a storefront. That's like a word of mouth reader. You know was interesting because I was watching. This movie called night tied with Dennis. Hopper came out in the early to mid sixties. Bizarrely enough, it was turned into a musical, the New York musical festival a couple. Couple of years ago, Moore's comedic version of it in the story is the key his. He's like a sailor who falls the woman who may be Mermaid, and he goes to a reading a Catarrhal card reading, and it's really one of the most accurate, if not most accurate depictions I've seen because he I love horror movies, but they always WanNa. Go for the dark spooky version. The death card means south, which isn't true. So in this movie I was like a completely normal reading worlds like a little. It was a little mysterious, but she it was. It felt like it was an actual real reading. which I think it probably was I've never seen that movie, but like it could be I mean I, feel like the best film and cinematographers usually use elements of real life stuff you know. or So, maybe that was definitely a real reader I mean. Do you roll your eyes? A lot of the horror movies stuff and you've got the death car. Actually, it's really interesting so. mitalent lies mostly in psychic remote viewing so. It's hard for me as somebody who has like intrinsic knowledge to watch movies and TV primarily because like. Is A beautiful craft I'm not shitting on acting at all. I love acting in acting beautiful, but somebody who has site, which is what they call it. Mysticism can kind of like be like. Hey, you're line, so it's Kinda. Weird can't appreciate it as much as I want to. Because it's like. Hey, you're line. Hey, I I know this is unreal. which sucks, but there's a lot of other movies I. Like it like Horror Films for example like us logical thrillers. I'm like cool. There's a mystery, even though like I like have to turn off my third eye and be like. Hey, don't ruin the surprise. I can't really appreciate films and stuff like that as much as I want to. We know it was interesting. I was watching this when we call the awakening with Rebecca, Hall, which came I, think around twenty eleven, and I found it a Netflix's a few years ago. This is a spiritual debunk, or so it takes place in London unlike nineteen twenty one I think and she's post. World War One in the opening scene. The going on all these people are invited in. They're all they're all trying to connect with their sons. You know who died in the war. And in the midst of this thing, there's a raid, and they they they you know they arrest these frauds for you know these fake reading and she's talking to this cop out outside. Old woman walks up to her and You know. She wants to be apologetic about the fact you know this woman had been scammed and the woman just slapped her in the face, because I don't think she cared if it wasn't really. Just, wanted to feel a sense of hope it was. It was an interesting comment. Well, yeah I, mean listen like regarding. Shop Fronts and things like that like a lot of people who are going to readers or any type of I guess divination are looking for like a glimpse of hope, whereas my future going more often than not, it's people asking love advice you know like most people are intrinsically lonely, and that's just kind of like a burden of humanity is to be lonely, and to find something to complete. Your loneliness doesn't necessarily mean an a partner, but more often than not. It's a partner, so a lot of people who go to readings are like. Where is my love going is? Is Their love for me. Is My relationship going to work out? That's mostly I guess like Pandora's Box. Like here's like a glimmer of hope. Here's something for you to hang on, but like my kind of I mean. I did I did a full love spread for my girlfriend for the month of July, and and she's been given it up. It's actually really funny story so I used to play in a punk band with her and Benson Hearst I. Was Way underage playing this shitty punk band and it was amazing. Her bans not shitty, but I mean the premise regardless. We reconnected and she was like. Hey, read my spread. You know I'm I'm kind of looking for love and. You Know I. Don't know where it's going. I was like let's do a full spread for the month of July and so the reading ended up being what I called the summer of D.. 'cause I was just like dude. You're going to be swimming tick scalp somehow. It's so funny because I was like you know there's an emperor's coming your way in emperors major are card. A. I'm sorry like. It's kind of like a will some of that that she would be looking for exactly so I was like there's somebody coming your way you know, but there's also all these options for you, and they're like you know you need to live your life and live it up. Whatever and so this was like probably like two weeks ago three weeks ago, that had read her, and she actually messaged me and called me like two days ago. She was like Dude I've been swimming in tech. So many dates you're right and I was like it's not be. It's just like the universe. I just read you. I just gave you. What's happening I'm not I didn't create. These part of it too is being able to read the energy of someone that you know. HAS THAT CONFIDENCE? There's certain cues you pick up from people I can give you an idea of why you're thinking certain things. Actually, it's interesting. I don't look at anyone when I read. It's like Have you ever seen like monks that meditate or people who do Trans transcendental meditation or A big fan of transcendental meditation, and talk to him about that like ten almost ten years ago now he has a few people in the Hollywood big fans of that I, guess is supposed to really chillier out and help you see more clearly. Yeah, so like anything that has to do with third ice stuff like for me personally like I it's it's kind of like it comes from another place right so. I. Don't look at anyone because it's kind of like muddying. You're reading. If I read your body language refinery Jira. Your. Your is your expressions whenever it's. It's during my reading. It's giving me cues that don't belong in your eating because I'm reading energy, and like it's universal energy and spirit like ancient spirits and stuff like that, so it's like. If I were to look at you, it would kind of taint wear. The reading is supposed to go that romance. Have you ever had a reading given to you? That was pretty powerful. That, oh, this is true. You're not like. ooh! It's funny because I ended up going like my friends of taking me to readers when I was younger and I ended up reading them, but trying to think if I ever had a reading that I was like. Wow, this is extremely accurate. Let's see. Ya like a million years ago I. Actually have this. Problem with sleeping I would sleep and see things that would happen vividly like a week later, so I started writing down everything that I would see my sleep. It was like really just like I thought. I was losing my mind when I was younger. I didn't know like penal glance stuff, and like third is if I had no idea that that existed. I just thought I was like this creepy little child. This creepy little child that new things. I wasn't supposed ill. Yeah, I was like what the fuck then I would like. See things like the skirts of my bed, and it's like medium ship and I was just like listen. I'm like a deranged creepy little child. Like. I had no idea what was going on, so my friend was like Hey I had gone to a rabbi for Kabbalah stuff and Had like intense conversation because I was like. Listen I'm McCreevy's little child. No. Creepy and I know things I'm not supposed to know. But it's more like a Kabbah's like more mysticism, but it kind of ties in with I guess reading. And they had told me it's called site dreaming dreams, which is where you dream actual events that will take place so that it came from a rabbi, so that was like the most I guess accurate reading per se that I had like the most like I opening, saying because that kind of like made me think. Hey, there's more to life than what you see or like for me. Personally I was like. I'm not just a creepy, little child who sees less. You know it's funny like I'm I'm fascinated with that. Stuff never happens to me like certain people consent stuff like interesting I see it. And girlfriend's cat like she's looking at something and I always wonder with things like that, but I I I'm fascinated with the supernatural never had a supernatural experience as far as I know I've met people who claimed to have them in a way I guess it's also been stated that you know a lot of a lot of kind of society we live in doesn't allow people to be open to things anyway, because we're locked into a certain system of thinking, it's much more about things. I guess than about ideas well. Absolutely I mean well I believe that now we're in the age of Aquarius Right, so we're dawning on a new era like all this stuff with pan -demia all this stuff with. Different types of thought modules collapsing. It's all because we're dawning on the age of Aquarius, and the age of Aquarius Calls On for higher thinking calls on for people to meet their twin flame, which is a a high brow third I concept, so that whole module of being locked into like a nine to five, and if you can't see it, it doesn't exist and all that kind of getting dissipated, but to be sensitive I. Feel like a lot of people like children are sensitive. Children consent certain things, and then you're kind of taught that it's wrong. So I like a lot more people like for me like I've been developing my talents, since I was very young like four or five years old, but it was kind of like I couldn't avoid. It was unavoidable for me because they were just everywhere, and I was just like what the hell's going on creepy crazy at it just ends up being the case, but I think in the new. New Generation there's a lot more clairvoyance allowed or being discussed or being permissible and I think that may be in years to come. They'll be a lot more people with intrinsic knowledge, or have like more developed gifts of those like supernatural guests. I think you know the cliche like people who have intrinsic knowledged can see things for others, but not for themselves. Is that true of you? Oh, my God yes, let me explain to you I. WanNa Know Purist Ball. You can't read yourself because you're. Like Like you said hope right so like as a human being, you have hoped for certain things you wish for certain things you want. Certain things You'd want to believe something to be true even if it's not necessarily meant to be because you want it so like for me. I'm like Oh man, I really wish Because I liked him and I missed it up, but it's like instead of. Oh my God, I eve the situation. That's what my friends call it. Like, stuff like that, so it's like I can't read myself. Because my propensity would be to give myself hope which is not ness, it may be true or may not be true you know so. It's like kind of tainting my own readings or tainting my own. I can't read my own palms I can't read my own cards, but if I see it in a dream that I know it's true like if I see vividly. Rekindling with some wine, and it'll be like a weird little piece of like you're at a museum or like. We're holding hands like some like weird little piece of information and I write it down. It'll come true in like two or three weeks. Or, adding on what weather I see in the visualization, I'll know what timeframe. It is, but yeah I absolutely can't read myself, and it sucks because it's like I'm such a good reader, such good psychic. My Intrinsic Knowledge is like Mike Pino Gland is huge like it sucks because I would love to have a reader like me. I'm trying to teach my friend so that to be more open, so maybe she could read me. That's I. UH! I figure this probably what it was, but it wasn't. It was completely sure how. Sometimes! It's interesting as I can can give great advice to other people, but never followed for myself. I can say yeah. You should do this like Oh. That worked out great and I'm like wait what how did I screw that up? You know it's all like you. As a human being, you have preconceived notions or like desires to even with advice you're like this is the best path, but then it's like everybody's got their own baggage. Everybody's got their own. What I call Karma. So it's like you have your Karma your own things to sift through, and you're going to lean towards one side or the other, so you're biased. You'd have to. Severe severe meditation like Ed, just be completely silent mentally and actively, but then you'd be a monk then you wouldn't even need advice. You won't have to worry about it. Exactly someone's like. Pick your battles man and it's been very lake lately, but I know normally I mean I know you always To Go and do shows I know nothing we're going to talk about. Is your for fashion? Because obviously plays in the how your marketing yourself to yeah. I mean I love fashion, so I was modeling since I was like really young and I was like this short weird little model. They're like hey, listen You're really beautiful, but if you took off that G G Allen, shirt in grew your hair out of a Mohawk and maybe gruesome eyebrows. You'd be more successful. where. There's no market for that, you know. She might go for at the time was like listen, stop talking about Grind Court and I was like what about porn grind and she was like stopping. Do not. Wear Gore guts shirt to go. See Yes, so I did all of that and I kind of fell in love with fashion, because it's if you make artistic, it can be like color palettes. Style mixing different elements of style like I really like Gothic. but I don't mean necessarily in the traditional light when I say gothic picture like Peter Steele, but it's like Gothic. Is artistic basically a kit bash of grotesque in horrific with Romanticism and beauty? Yeah, exactly so I mean it in the more traditional sense, so I really like that kind of like burlesque tinged stuff, but high fashion, so it's kind of like really grotesque, but really cleaned up, but really out there, which is often guard Auburn Guard. Fashion is a sector fashion which is like gum, more artistic like I shoot with like A. An Ace bandage wrapped around my head and like Angel. Wings, so that's more often guard, and of course, high fashion, and those are all really like. highbrow kind of fashion stuff, so yeah, I mean I. Love Fashion more artistically, so, but look for a thing recently 'cause like some some maximum model, contest or something like that, and you had sort of like the leather outfit, the boots and the whole bit. There's interesting thing that a lot of times. I yeah. My friend Trevor from black. Dahlia told me that he's funny. He was like am I allowed to say that I. This is my favorite version of you again, dude, you're allowed to say about this fucking. But he called it like the evil. Even I'm like no it. There's always Satan there it's. It's just like under out, but. that. Behind every smile is a Satan in every bite. No. It's not what I've been on this thick. Jesus thing lately. That's that's my thing lately. Was this dude. Geez, it's been evolving to the thickening or was it partnership for thicker? America. Does that sound from well okay, so everybody's been gaining weight and as a woman, a lot of my female followers, and a lot of my friends have been really upset that they've been gaining weight, and you know as a model, and like somebody who's kind of like modeling is really strict like they're like. Hey, listen. You know that two pounds on your ass gotta go. There's a lot of pressure and it and it's it doesn't make a lot of people feel good when they gain weight because of society, not because they don't feel good about it, it just society right exactly so my whole thing was like. Hey, why don't I make gaining weight cool? Like so instead of being like listen. I gained pounds and I. AM upset I was like hey, listen I gained fifteen pounds and I looked better than I've ever looked so thick. Jesus makes them say. Oh, my God. So off as a joke where I was like you know like this extra fifteen pounds is great, and you should enjoy your extra fifteen pounds, which is kind of how that shoot started. Because I was like you know, it's maximum styled. For whatever reason my art is kind of like, there's always like news. Was this guy that I really liked? No I don't talk to. I didn't clear my throat for any reason there was. It wasn't shade I want to be very clear about that. There was no shave no shade to be had. But yes, so I had done that shoe where I was like you know I want to show people. You can be sexy and beautiful, and whatever you WanNa do at any weight, because even like a lot of my friends who are entertainers are not taking pictures of themselves. They feel ashamed that they put on weight or look different I'm kind of just out there, saying hey, man like whatever bro. Whatever on thick, now I love it. Love it until I don't love it, and then I'll change or get thicker. I don't fucking care. It does didn't really think about it when I saw recent photos to be honest. Well I mean for me, you know my fans are really like a coal, so they're like really involved in my life, all of them. Them. Hear me airing thirty laundry all of them though talking to who I'm C. N. like behind the scenes. They all know who the songs are about, or at least take guesses who might arts about like stuff like that like so they know, and they've kind of followed me through my life journey on my artistic journey, my growth as a person so. So like last year I was extremely depressed and had actually gotten extremely thin, but it was no fault of my own. It wasn't like a conscious effort. I had just been highly depressed, so I had lost so much weight and it was very scary to me because I just didn't feel good. If that makes sense, so gaining weight in a way was was. was like I was really excited, but then I didn't know how to feel I was like wow, because society tells you like you gain weight, and now you are fat, so like that kind of was in my head, but I didn't think it was fat or anything. It was just kind of like society says this is bad, but I'm not really buying it. We have to have a strong sense of self. Yeah, of course to me, was just like going from being practically emaciated to being sicker, really not thicker normal. I. I guess I mean I don't really I think that whole thing about. Dieting and all that and I hear my God friends to have a lot of guy friends. Playing band stuff and they're all like super. Self conscious about weight and stuff, and I understand why. It's like you know magazines and. Things like that. Tell you like you should look a certain way, or they'll put a certain person, but they don't know what it took for that certain person to look that way like I've dated models in the past male models, and it's like they're not happy. That's a lot of them. You know that's that's their money. So that's they have to protect that and. It's a lot of people. Don't get to see that side. They just see like. Oh, here's pretty picture. Yeah, exactly you know, and they don't understand like you know. Sometimes it's it's not grass is greener you, but for me. It's just like I was like. Yeah, man I. I gained fifteen I. Love This fifteen I love the shit out of this fifteen. So that's kind of my whole thing that well I mean. Obviously you know. Your music is very eclectic kind of poll from different genres, trying different types of photo shoot, so that sort of the mentality Kinda crosses over how? I see some performers who do so many photo shoots and have so many sexy pictures, and like that's great at the same time I. don't want us to distract from the art either can make people getting pulled in there that are being pulled in. There aren't necessarily do you do find trying to find the right balance between your fashion and in promoting a music well, so the whole thing about it is. It's all tied in together, so my whole process is like more often than not I'm kind of like I. Guess like Prince in that way where it's like I'll find a muse is probably somebody I fell in love with. Times. Though I probably didn't say it at first. Reading said, but maybe I did and then I just pretended it was a joke. So somebody that I find really remarkably beautiful. Right and I'll be like Oh my God and it's not necessarily physical I'm just like wow. I am immersed in this person. I'm so inspired by their their beauty, their intellect everything right so and then I'm just like I WANNA make them. It's kind of like a kid making a noodle card except that such a bad analogy because my images are very sexy. So that's the analogy ever. So I'm just like you know. I WANNA. Make them this present, and sometimes it's a song, and sometimes it's a photo shoot and it's like kind of like my brain goes. They inspire this in me and I know that they kind of like that, and I think they will like this, and and it's not seeking validation from. It's really just like a romantic gift, so with my fashion. It's those images actually spoke to Victor Wooten who's a good friend of mine, and I was like hey, man like It's Kinda like Bowie where he makes these really great images, an artistic concepts, and then those translate into music, so it's the process for me and my fans know that so like Oh. Gosh, new photo shoot. What's in your music? Sound like? It's really just kind of back to back. All income. Exists some popstars. They feel like they do so much of that stuff. It's like so many different images. I don't think the music changes that much. He knows this more about like trying to market yourself in a certain way, people are very conscious marketing I remember growing up in the eighties, and that's when it really began to take hold more and more because of MTV everything. Kinda goes over to Youtube I, guess these days and online the all night it's it's a very different time now because you're your facebook, twitter and Instagram, I guess. Guess for you. A lot of visual stuff really fits with instagram. The most followers to yeah I mean for man's more like a community built. This of e community is like eat colt around my lifestyle around my music, and and like you know I've been like on pop charts and stuff like that, and that's cool. You know I mean I'm really dislike a grind core metal punk kid, so like to me. Care all too much about accolades like that I, should but I don't but for me. It's like my images are really just like. More artistic and like I understand why popstars do it. It's part of their brand name and and Ram. It's like. A. Machinist mentality what I mean. That's like some and I'm not knocking it you. There's in my head. There's two and I can't knock it. There's two types of musical avenues right. There's the artist and then there's the business so pop music. Popular Music is a business and I get that. You know what I mean. Commercial modeling is in business. Sure I, get at, but for me. It's like I'm an artist I. do what I feel so sometimes. Things are really out there, and for whatever reason they stick, but I was going to do it anyways. You know what I mean like to me is like. Right now I'm I'm. You know my friend. Eddie plays in suicides islands and he put me onto these cool bands, organic organ, Ectomy and like I've been listening to like a lot of slammed death, stuff and playing those kinds of risks, and so obviously like my my newer art visually is darker. It's more inspired by death metal, stuff and death core stuff. And I'm sure it's going to transpose musically, but I'm kind of removed from the machinists. Pop stuff to shit about that. You know it's whatever. that. You know that I'll do but I. appreciate them for what they do. It's not I won't listen to it, but good for. So. What's what's been your favorite fashion trend in the last couple of years? Let's see. Let's see. I really like normalising dark lipstick, and because I love lipstick. So which this whole masks shit is killing me because I'm like. Dude I was thinking I should just pay my lipstick outside of my mass become aware. It would look really like Buffalo Bill. Like I'M GONNA? Be Perfectly on this. It was look a little serial killer. People to stay away from you then that's what will happen. You can do that I. Cannibal corpse mask which I really anxiously waiting for I'm so excited. 'CAUSE I was like I. Need I. Need a mask. That's more me. I went on Cannibal Corpse's website ordered this mask and I was so hyped some patiently waiting for that, but. I dark lipstick, because like when I was younger I used to wear black lipstick and people would be like throwing chocolate, milk and shit at noon like getaway, fucking Columbine Shooter K., fuck you just like dark lipstick, and now it's like or dark lipstick and it's cool. It's Ok the Gosse was growing in the end of the nineties, and then I felt like columbine was partially responsible for kind of push back on that in it, because of because everyone missed dente fide the kids. There, from yes, it's like no I just like I just like that, and it goes nicely with my skin, and it's just a preference. I like dark fashion. I liked that kind of a static, and now it's more accepted like. Often guard fashion, even like a streetwear is more accepted, which is great, specific designers, they finding I like high fashion, so I really love Alexander McQueen. That's my guy. Of Alexander McQueen unfortunately. He passed away, but his fashion legacy eland lives on and. His show like I'll watch his shows, 'cause they're kind of like I. Know Like People Watch concerts and stuff like that, and and they wouldn't draw the parallel, but they are kind of like the same like. Watching Alexander McQueen runway show is kind of the same thrill. I get from watching a really great concert because it's. Just High Art, high artistic concept's mixed with fashion and I think it's just so beautiful, and he had a lot of like just golf aesthetic, a lot of really shocking and grotesque imagery is really beautiful. I like people to take a chance to do something different. Some as I look at some of these you know share photos of some of these runway models and things like that was a really bad idea and sometimes i. think there are some fashion designers that just do that to fuck with people. Just to get see what the reaction's going to be. No I think you can always tell when it's. I guess forced you can. Tell where you're like this and not so much. But, there are certain special people like McQueen is definitely a special person. I know there's a I. Don't remember last name. Wait let me look it up. It's Delara. delara I can't even pronounce her last name I'm so trash, but I just know her. She's she does is like really great, high fashion stuff and. It's very often guard in her. Images are very striking and kind of have that aesthetic, unfortunately for me. Fortunately, unfortunately, when I tried to do like a lot of like really high fashion stuff it's no fall is because of my fucking body type in my face. Look. Everything comes looking sexual, but it's not. It's not intended to look that way. It sucks for me. 'cause I'm like it's supposed to look grotesque in a lot of times. People don't get that. I mean it's okay what it is what it is right, so it's like a lot of is intended to be grotesque or or high fashion, or or stuff like that, but because I'm more curvy, it doesn't come across that way, but if I had like no hips than people be like. Oh, it's so high fashion so whatever while even something as simple as that yeah. Yeah I mean it changes. The Post poses body. Language poses. Mood opposes art. You don't I mean if you do it right? It's not just like hey, look, I'm pretty. It's like you gotta give an emotion. If you're images, don't give an emotion off the bat. Then you're doing it wrong. It's not art. What's been the most challenging photo shoot for you to do? I would say maybe for me. It's kind of just all encompassing I'm like hey. I have these feelings right now and then I'll just I do charcoal drawings, and I'll just sketch a bunch of ideas and I'm like and I want to do this this and that I think the last shoot because I used these Latex Ballerina boots. And they're actually for fetish play, but I just like the aesthetic of 'em, 'cause they they give a different emotion, but you can't walk in them at all like they're not intended for walking so I kept trying to do pose a standing up in them, and I can't falling over, and it was brutal, but I did enjoy it, though in a in a weird sadistic masochistic on. Your feet or after that, my whole legs hurt after that because you're literally on your toes, and they're really not intended for walking and kept trying a so I think that that may have been the most challenging, but I do remember like earlier in modeling. There's a thing called the golden hour, which is like the most ideal time to shoot, and that's usually at the dawn or at dusk. Okay, we went to the beach at dawn, and it was supposed to be like I was modeling bikinis and stuff and it was. was just like commercial modeling. It was for money whatever and I remember showing up and it was like like thirty five degrees, and the photographers like you know getting the ocean, we have to take these pictures and to make yourself look like you're not freezing. An excruciating pain like you're actually having a good time. It was so challenging because I was so fucking cold. I was freezing to death and close ups on my face, so I had to be very mindful to not look like I hated every minute of it acting. Man You'd have to be super mindful because it's like the camera will catch everything. You can't lie to the camera. You'll see it so for you. Is there any particular fashion trend? You'd like to see coming back or something you'd like to see. That hasn't been done yet. Well right now. I'm really into. And, it comes from old school punk stuff splitting stuff so like my hair split died now so have my wild side and my professional side, split pants and stuff like that like I took two of my favorite pants, and I put them together to a colors, red and black, and then I did this bleach die bones on them? And then what your hair? right now. My Hair's half galaxy, so I melted this purple, blue and hot pink together and made like a galaxy kind of color, and the other is blonde. So I've been like really experimenting with like. I guess, do. Any like fashion designer. You'd like to work with probably DELARA. Oh, you know what really WanNa work with this Guy Bradley but him and I are friends, but I really want to work with him, but it's kind of weird because we become friends so. I can't be like. Hey, I also really. It's kind of this weird line where it's like we're already friends and we've become friendly, so I can't be like and also I really like your fashion everything. Like a because, he is so cool he does. This black fist is the brand, but he's so cool. He like mixes punk aesthetic and stuff and he likes hardcore music. He's just like really cool. His fashion stuff is really stuff that I enjoy, but probably McQueen but McQueen. You know his legacy or not, even I like salty. Is Nice, but definitely Bradley. I should probably hit him up. Just be like Balsa the wall. Hey, listen. Really like your fashion, even though France. But, in that tone, exactly we'll give me posted then. Yeah, I definitely will. I'm definitely do a shoot I am I. have these shoots lined up out here in l.? A. Actually so people will see that right now. I'm I'm toying with this idea. It's called. Crystallize Christina says like when a butterfly before butterfly becomes a butterfly in a cocoon it. Might Direction of the next few pieces I'm going to be doing and I watched this movie. The architect so I'm kind of like inspired by lightning technology, and like industrial feels so we're going to see for sure the next set be a little bit different, which I'm excited about right on well, thank you, thank you absolutely, thank you. That's awesome. I saw you was I think it was idle hands four five years ago. Probably yeah, I know right. It's weird. I! WanNa. See people more, but obviously that's not happening right now. Everything will come back I think that's that's kind of where. Leave. This on is hope. Everything will come back better than it was. We're just rebuilding. That wraps up this latest episode inside dams. Please join me for the next installment. which will be coming soon? The tunes used in this. From Fox in the law and license them to audio socket as always. Thank you very much listening.

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210: From Yeezy to Weezy in Two Segments

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210: From Yeezy to Weezy in Two Segments

"And this is card and this is not fast. Lisa. How're you? I'm back. I'm glad to be back. I missed you guys. We missed you too. I need navene to be not so good at this Venus so much fun to record with we've actually toyed with the idea of starting our own podcast at some point. About what about how we love each other very dearly. But have completely divergent tasted media. We hate each other's media. Like music movies. Yes. Didn't have lady bird. Yes. And I hated it. And I yelled about it. And he was like why did you like it? See this is what we want to talk about. Okay. Okay. I think this'll be very interesting. It'd be like Cisco Ebert, but you do but we love each other. But I think they loved each other to see good love. That used to be my ringtone. Anyway, lots of secrets coming out today. Okay. It's our birthday. It's ever. It's mother forgo birthday. We are four years old as a podcast, we have fun plan. Lisa tell everybody what it is. We're having a party in your all invited on the internet who we're going to have a little shindig, it's going to be an Instagram live feed and you'll be able to ask KARN. And I anything it'll be like acuity show except surprise. It's happening on Instagram. It is happening on Wednesday March fourteenth at eight o'clock eastern time. So join us there. We'll remind you at the end of the show and our Instagram if you haven't followed it yet is pop fashion podcast, that's our account there. So we'll have details there too. So we are very excited to be four. We're probably gonna have to start school uniform soon. Absolutely. Yeah. It's really exciting. If you can't make our party line. Live don't worry about it. Because Instagram stories we'll keep it up for a full days. You can see it at some point. Yeah. And it's going to be better than last year's party where we recorded a regular episode but open abolish an pain, but I was by myself, and somehow I missed work the next day. That sounds pretty fun. I'm out wasn't fun. The day after it was it was only fun during the recording. I've learned some lessons. You know? I don't really have a transition, but I wanna talk very briefly about the Oscars not about the awards not about any sort of movement that was discussed during the show. I wanna talk about Tiffany haddish's dress. Tiffany haddish recent breakout star from girls trip showed up on stage during the ninetieth Oscars award with Meyer route off of SNL theme. They were presenting an award together and Tiffany comes out wearing this white dress with jeweled neckline, it's beautiful. It's stunning. It is a dress by Alexander McQueen for what she paid about four thousand dollars. But if you've been following Tiffany haddish you've seen this dress before not only did she wear at the premiere of girls trip in July. She also were when she hosted SNL in November. She dedicated half of our opening monologue to it at the time. She said that her team told her you can't wear that dress on SNL you already war. It's taboo to wear at twice and she said, I don't give a dang about. No, taboo, I spent a lot of money on this dress. This dress cost way more than my mortgage. She even said, this was my favorite part of the SNL monologue where she said if I die, and even if I become faddis Hal from the biggest fattest, I don't care when I'm laying in that casket guess what's going to be laying on top of my fat ass body. This dress. So that can also be a blanket. So she and my Rudolph came out on stage. They were both they were both carrying their high heels to he was wearing slippers. And they're talking about how better feet her. It was not the dress that Tiffany showed up on the red carpet wearing she were this beautiful traditional irretrievable dress with a rapid ahead piece. It was dedicated to her father who was from that country who died last year she was just honoring her heritage on the red carpet. But she got back to this running joke when she was presenting onstage by wearing this dress. And look Tiffany you dang fine mattress you can wear that every day. I mean, granted it's a white dress. So I don't know how like are you getting it cleaned? Are you for breezing it? I don't know what her method is. But I'm like super excited to just see her embracing. That style. I love it too. I hope to see her at many other award shows wearing the same dress keep bringing back it's a classic. And I think it's even beyond just a bit running bit. There's something so practical and loving about Tiffany that decision to keep doing it seemed so authentic to who she is. And that's why people love her. She's amazingly funny, and she's just very sincere person. And I love that. She's great Tiffany. I don't like when people Email us asking to be guests, but you could. Anytime anytime, you could be a guest on this show nadine's over there calling Tiffany right now. He's like Tiffany if you and I go on the gather, we can take over. Yeah. Then we'll both be out of a job. Okay. Don't call either of them next. All right next. They were at a talk about as easy as in. What is going on with easy season seven? Tis the season to be discussing easy season seven kind. I did a campaign takeover for easy season seven of different cities, including adds New York's herald square where if you walked into herald square. They were all over Kim Kardashian has been photographed wearing unreleased easy season, seven pieces, most notably. She was in Tokyo wearing some of the pieces. So today when buyers got to use showroom, and there was nothing there. Everybody was really surprised. All right. The yeezy, mafia. Which is a thing tweeted today that people were invited to a showroom to see easy season seven. But when those people got to the showroom, it was empty essentially turned into a press conference where spokesperson explained that there won't be any apparel or accessories for season seven because cognac couldn't achieve what he wanted to with. This season's work the emperor's not went into clouds girl. Everybody's make it doesn't exist. But Kim is. Well, good question. You have no answer for me. Where their samples made. And those samples went on Kim. But the product isn't there, we do not know. Okay. Wow. So how do the press react to this not fashioned fashion show by the time, we've reached this recording? We don't know like the only thing that we know is that easy mafia reported that it happened, and that fashion law re tweeted that it happened. But no one else had gone to press talking about the event or what happened question so yeezy mafia is this a fan site. At sounds like it sounds like somebody who's on the inside of understanding what's going on really closely with what's happening with easy, okay. Fashion law picks it up, and I was like what's going on. So it's a very confusing right now by the time this podcast comes out, and maybe more settled, we may have more information. But it sounds like there was the advertising and branding around it without actually having the product. So who knows if something just slipped up on the back end or nothing was created to? Gin with. I don't know why people from khanjian camp couldn't have just like called people up to tell them not to show up. Like, that's a pretty rude thing to do to have people show all the way up at your showroom and be like there's no product here kitchen into girl in Email. It's like if you invited people over to watch movies. But then when they got there asked them to run to red box and pick something up. Like, I'm gonna invite you to dinner party. But can you just bring the dinner and you find out when you get hair? Yeah. It's like a reverse potluck. Yeah. A little inconsiderate. I wonder if he honest to goodness thought that he would come up with something right up until the last minute. And that's why this happened. And this is not a one day challenge on project runway. Okay. Yeezy? There's a team Khania has people. It's not like he's sitting in the back hand sewing some trim leading up to the show. I think this is all performance art. One of the best comments. I saw on Twitter in response to this was from a user called at Mike cool, new shoes, I love that. They said, quote, so they were in a real life splash page question. Mark. Please insert your Email address to find out. Launch. Please check back soon. I saw that. And then I saw a number of people tweet out the gift of remember the very last episode of fresh prince of Bel Air where Will Smith is standing alone in the empty room of his house. He was just looking around looking for Lorne. Yeah. That went around a few times hall areas would be so upset also can we just give that in a hug? The interns probably the one who is in the back China so on trim. I'll get you something I act like there's any sort of embellishment on any UC piece of clothing ever. There's no trim on anything. It's just yoga pants fancy expensive, yoga pants, ma'am. I still like it. I still think he's a genius. But putting together a fashion line season. After season is hard work. You can't just have one good idea. You have to have many good ideas season after season. Yeah. I mean, sixteen seasons of project. Remind taught me exactly that. And I'm so nothing in that time. So, you know. You know, what am I going to tell you all about next? Do you wanna fashion crime update? Bashing is the object update. Do you recall back in the day? When we talked about a class action lawsuit against Alta for allegedly selling used beauty products back in the day two weeks ago. Yeah, I remember that two weeks ago. So now, there's a second lawsuit has been filed in the state of Illinois by an Ulta stockholder who filed a suit against the company it CEO and CFO alleging that they violated federal securities laws by knowing about the businesses practices. I e reselling the alleged used products and that doing so has damaged the integrity of the business. The complaint actually shows how the stock price has changed over time. I with the filing of the class action lawsuit. And then with the the public brouhaha that ensued over that lawsuit. And so the. The stock share price has been steadily dropping overtime not at a level that is super alarming when you look at the stock market overall. But if you're a shareholder, and you have shares an accompany that is having some trouble in the news. You're going to be wondering about you know, like what that's gonna mean for the value that you hold at home. It intangibly I'm holding out my hands as if there's going to be like popcorn in it stock stock it's like a bitcoin. There's no coin the Wii showing gold coins. And your news articles. There is no spoon. There's no coin so because of this quote, unquote, swift decline in the market value of the company securities, unquote, and because of the leaders positions in the company and their access to information the complaint says that the adverse facts had not been disclosed to being concealed from the public and the positive representations being made or then materially false and misleading. The plot thickens business also because this is being proposed as a class action lawsuit. Other Ulta stockholders have the opportunity to join the suit this all blow up and also face like if you have to class actions against you at the same time, if you end up settling both of those that's gonna be it could be billions of dollars that need to be paid out. And that could be regardless of whether or not all to employees, actually, engage in the practices that were alleged because a lot of times a class action case never the. Crime. So to speak never gets proven and the company just decides to make amends by paying out either with product or with freebies or with cash cash cash money. So, you know, sins of mission here, not only could hurt your reputation, but could her how you're doing with your shareholders. This is a bad to get dirty. I am excited to follow this not because I wanna see Sarah lipstick by all it is dirty their lipstick and their blush. But I think this is a very interesting case I am watching it quietly in the corner of the room just eating that popcorn. Hold on my bitcoins. And thanks to the fashion law for keeping up with this case, this is I mean, yeah, if you want invo about legal issues in the fashion world, the fashioned law dot com, you need a book market because that's where we get all our good shit. That is like the number one source of fashion crimes just a quick update on that. Let's talk about some burbs birds Burberry high burbs tweet Burberry. Burberry hired Ricardo t she this came out right after we posted the episode last week everybody may know about it ready. But it's so big we still gotta talk about it Ricardo t she will start as Burberry's chief creative officer on March twelfth he is replacing Christopher Bailey. This was a surprise for a number of reasons he was BFF's with verse sake for about eighteen months. There were big rumors that he was going to go head to verse Chee and be their creative officer that never came through wishing. But we talked about are on this show. We thought he was going to go over. No, also, he was the creative director of Jeevan. She their brand is very different than Burberry's brand people are going what's going to happen to their creative direction now. And it's not something where I don't think it's gonna get bad. It's just so different that we're wondering what direction is this gonna go Burberry has been known to put a lot of time and energy into. Their evening where collections as of late. He was all about it over at Giovanni. She what's going to happen. They might change just a little bit. I mean, I'm all about more evening wear. So if that's going to be an increased presence at Burberry, I'm here for that. I like that really like buttoned up tailored polish evening wear not to say that. I'm not fun because I am plenty fun. Blots of fun. You don't have to yell it. I believe you. Yeah. It's kind of like if you were like dating somebody on the polo team. And then you decided to date somebody who has motorcycle, they're just different very different people. No, no. That's not. It's like dating someone on the polo team. And then switching dating someone in the show choir. Very different people different outlooks on life, which affects design which means that we are about to go on visual adventure. As an Uber driver once said to me, hold on your wigs. Oh my gosh. Somebody put that on T shirt on your wigs ladies. That's that's what she said. Well, stay tuned. Be watching other moves around the industry. This one was a how do you say a rejection as we've talked about on some previous episodes? I feel like the last time we talked about this was like right before Christmas right before the turn of the year. And there were rumors that the Nordstrom family was going to buy back the company and take it private so right now, Nordstrom as a publicly-held company. You can have shares. This woman who has our Ulta shares might wanna switch over and get some Nordstrom shares. I don't know her life. I wouldn't do it. And the Norstrom family has been considering taking method company taking it private being able to make the decisions that they feel are best for the company instead of leaning on the shareholders to make decisions with the board, etc. Etc. The founding family offered fifty dollars a share for the company, which would value the total business about eight point four billion a special committee of the board deemed, the offer inadequate and turned it down rejected. Yup. A little context Nordstrom as a company is one hundred seventeen years old the family embarked on this exploratory mission to see if they would buy back the company in June. And so that rumor that got out about them considering buying the company back sort of like sent the stock all topsy turvy, but they had this goal that they would take Nordstrom out of the public spotlight and be able to sort of revamp it from within and just be able to test and experiment. And you know, we've been talking about this of Lucien of retail for years on this show. And you know, you could control that of Lucien a little better if you can do it without that shareholder influence, right? So that was their plan. It was his spended in October because they couldn't get the right financing terms. And so here this week. It was on Monday when this fifty dollars a share was turned down question. What is their stock trading at right now in order to compare it to the fifty dollars a share that they were being offered. So shares fell about nine percent after the announcement that the deal was rejected. And at that time. The stock price was forty seven twenty-seven per share forty seven dollars twenty cents so close to here. Yeah. But the stock price had been up this year through the close. So I believe that's the lowest point the stock had been at in this counter year. So investors are saying that it should be about ten dollars higher. If they offer and sixty dollars a share it probably would have been done deal. I still a lot of money. Yeah. If you do let's see hold on. If you if it was going to try to do them, you're gonna try to do the math eight point four billion divided by a fifty dollars a share. So that would be. I can't do this math never mind. I don't know. I don't know. I'm trying to figure out what the difference in value would be if it was sixty dollars not fifty. But is that really germane to this conversation? I don't think so let's just move on. Inadequate got turned down. That's all you need to know. I can tell you another story about Norstrom, please do and then I can tell you all the things I bought a notional Iraq this weekend. They're partnering with anthropology. They announced today a partnership with anthropology home. They will sell over two hundred items from the policy home collection and select stores and online the collection is a mix of kitchen, dining, textiles, and hardware. Over the past few years anthropology has been selling more home items than apparel they've been doing great on their home sales. But their apparel cells have been really dragging. So the fact that they want to explore this type of collection in another setting as a bit surprising to me because I feel like it's the reason why a lot of people still go into the store. I'm just gonna make noises for the episode that is just thinking the whole time. It's not a bad as not a bad partnership. They might reach a different audience that may not go into their store. Normally, I think you can get a good cross section of young people and not so young people by doing this. You know, but do you think the anther polity home stuff will eventually make it to Nordstrom rack? I do not know. Excellent question, all investigate. I'll get back to you. Yeah. But tell us about your Nordstrom rack experience Grosman too much money. I have to thank everyone 'cause I did a little Instagram story about my trip and eat basically, all of you said get the shoes. So I got the shoots. I got the Cole Haan flats, you guys know, I love Cole Haan, and I wore them to work there so comfy, and it was totally worth it. But I also got a pair of jeans for forty bucks, and they're from this brand called cut from the cloth. It's got two ks in it, not run. By kardashian. And these genes are great they usually retail for about ninety eight. So I feel like that was a win. I don't think I saved a whole lot on the shoes. But I did save on the jeans, but the shoes were an investment third investment. I love them. You're gonna wear them for ages. They're sensible, and they feel like butter. Not like, I usually put my feet in butter. But if I did it probably feel like that. Yeah. That was a non paid segment about Nordstrom rack, can I tell you about another partnership that Nordstrom is doing. No that another store is doing. Oh, yes. Please. This one is so perfect Neiman. Marcus is partnering with low Wayne you heard me correctly the market. Lil wayne. What's selling some hoodies a jacket and some sweatpants and a hat. It's a very small collection. It is a fashion collection. So it's one outfit. That Lil Wayne wears. Yeah. Yeah. It's called young money appropriate. Dude. We went from easy to easy and like two segments. That was great. We couldn't have done it. If we tried on another day. There's some great news out there this week, right? The more surprising point about this collection. Is that it's mildly affordable? It's not Neiman. Marcus prices. It's still not cheap cheap. But the most expensive piece that they have is a jacket for a hundred and fifty dollars, and that is next to I looked on their website that's next to jacket that's being sold for four thousand dollars. So comparatively. It's pretty affordable. Is this stuff? Like, can you tell that is inspired by low Wayne or does it just like sweats and looks like sweats say young money, but it does look like stuff that he would wear and when I looked at it. I was like, yeah. This totally works. I might be googling it right now, you can find it. And they're Beverly Hills store and online. So you're not gonna be able to find this collection in every location unless you live in Beverly Hills. Can yeah, I want those I like it. I really like this. This is good. Okay. Hype bees. Least you need to work on your load time. I'm just trying to look at the picks hear it as I'm gonna get this one. Apparently, this was announced on Valentine's Day. And I'm missed it. Let's see. Okay. I'm scrolling scrolling. Really? Okay. Well, there's going to be a lawsuit common for that side stripe fr from Dita's. But okay, we'll deal with that later. This is quite lovely. Yup. I want that little shirt. Okay. It's fun for now. We'll talk about low Wayne another time when I've acquired all of these items, even though it said, I would stop spending money. But here we are not many glasses shoes. Let us I order. I bought one hundred dollar dress on EBay, but it retail for two sixty five and I got it for ninety nine. So basically, you're saving money all the time. Lisa. What brand? Did you get 'em afler? It was address that I really liked that I knew would fit. So I work yesterday. Everybody was like are you gonna be on TV? And I was like, Nah, I just wanna wear my new dress mini. Oh, you know, whole new outfit. Then. Yeah. Yeah. Even were tights because it was chewy here. I don't even want to hear miss Florida. I wanna talk about modest fashion going mainstream. This is an article released very recently from adage dot com, and it's talking about the idea of Muslim fashioned, Muslim inspired fashion modest fashion, and how all of these elements are becoming more mainstream Muslim consumer spending on apparel in twenty fifteen was a two hundred forty three billion dollar in these by twenty twenty one it's expected to rise to three hundred sixty eight billion according to Addie. So there is a Polenghi of money here. And this is not just people in the Middle East because we talk often about pockets of money in different parts of the Middle East and the buying power over there. But this is not just about one geographic area. This is Muslim and modest dressers around the world who are powering this. This burgeoning apparel movement. There are several brands who've latched onto this recently. One of the I was actually H M who for five years has done a modest collection. Was it five years either? They've been doing it for five years or Uniqlo's been doing it for five years, but agent Emon Uniqlo have both been considered sort of the thought leaders here. But think about it. They both have a very global presence. If you look at some other brands Macy's just released their Verona collection, which is eight Muslim designer from their incubator that they do with fashion designers. Adidas had a his job wearing model walk the runway in its most recent New York fashion week show last year, we talked about Nike having a pro he job line, and they are adding more colors this year to this line, which was heavily tested before it was widely released. They tested it on athletes who wanted a more modest dress that would allow them to perform. So this was. Very much tested before it hit the public market and surprising one that I didn't know about American Eagle outfitters had a line of jobs last year that sold out completely. Also, the acceptance that modest fashioned doesn't have to be unfashionable modest doesn't mean. Yes. Modest doesn't have to mean. Frumpy modest doesn't have to mean closed off. So there's there's really a movement now where fashion designers apparel sellers are looking to this market. There's still some backlash from people who think that the job is a symbol of Prussian. I don't agree with that personally. But some people have made some comments, and I'm not gonna call him out because they don't deserve my time. But you know, I think that thing we come back to in the thing that at h comes back to is that religious identity is apart of a lot of younger people right now in a very public way in a very unashamed way. And so these people who are very comfortable with their religious identity and wearing it on the outside. They also want to spend their money with brands who they feel that relate to that way of life. I don't know do you think this is really becoming mainstream? Do you think it's a gimmick by brands? Do you think this has staying power? Are we evolving? I'm hoping it's where evolve egg. I don't think it's a gimmick, especially if brands like Uniqlo brand like agent of stayed with it for five years. That's pretty good for a vast fashion house just to clarify because I know this modest dress. It involves jobs, but I'm assuming it also involves just like skirt stutter longer bosses that are full-sleeve. Yes. The great thing about offering those different types of clothing is that a lot of people might find themselves drawn to that type of fashion or drawn to that type of offering outside of the demographic where it was necessarily intended, which is wonderful so people who just want to dress modestly not because of religious reasons. Bur just for maybe personal reasons say like that style more its personality type like there's so much overlap where I think before it was just expected that you wanna show everything all the time. And what we're finding is. Oh, wait, there's nuance. There's nuance. Addressing there's lots with what what people like and sometimes people are through even life stages where they want address a bit more modestly, which I think should be celebrated. So I love this showing that there's room for everyone. It's not going to go away. It should be celebrated. Love it. I love the idea that modest fashion can truly just be fashioned. Yes. Yes. I think we saw this in the last season of project runway. And I know I'm talking to a niche audience here that not everybody's sitting around watching lifetime for, you know, twenty two episodes of project runway or whatever, but I on a was one of the top designers and she stuck with her principles of modest dressing through the whole season. And she made it work to use a phrase all season and her creativity. Was so amazing. And it was refreshing to see that being embraced. I do wanna clarify. I looked up h had a job wearing Muslim model a campaign. Three years ago. And so they were one of the first apparel brands to to reflect some of that diversity in their marketing Tirias and Uniqlo's the one that's had the collaboration with the Muslim designer for five years. So but still, you know, you're talking about two very international brands with international audiences. And so it makes sense that they would be at least trying it if not sticking with it. This is great to see. I love this. I'm really excited to see all the creativity. That's coming out of these collaborations. Next story. I want to talk about WalMart and their meal kit service. Did you guys know that they have a meal kit, and like everybody else has a milk it these days, what am I going to shop for groceries for if I could just order milk? It's all the time. I am very curious to see your reaction to it. By the end of me telling you about their press release because I kind of on the fence about this. They already have milk. It's available in two hundred and fifty stores, but they are launching it and two thousand stores this year. So that test case of two hundred fifty must have gone very well scale in that shit because it's going to be more widespread. A big way there are different variations of this meal kit that can get here are three the first one is pre portioned milk kits. It sounds like this is very close to what the blue apron model is you create meals the items of already been provided in a box, you go home all the tablespoons teaspoons volatile been packaged out. So you could just throw things in second one rotisserie chicken meals. You get a chicken and other. Ingredients where you could build a meal, at example is tight curry chicken. So they give you the chicken and everything else around in the mail number three one-step meals. Everything's already made you just heat that sucker up. Here's the catch the meals served to people and range in price from eight dollars to fifteen dollars. So it's not like you're serving a family a meal, you'd have to get two of them, which I think changes things abet. Well, I think it's similar for the other box services like blue apron and hellofresh because if you're trying to feed a family of four you have to get a bigger K anyway, right? The base model is designed for two right? But if I'm at WalMart, a family place, and their prices are known to be low anyway, and there is a kit available that does all the thinking for me, I might reach for that. But I may actually if I got all this ingredients myself end up with a lower price and leftovers I would be interested to see comparison thing happening here. But understand why these cats are appealing. I understand why it works because sometimes you're exhausted. And you just wanna make sure you feed your people. Yeah. And like if you're thinking about the. Fifteen dollar. If you have to get two of those defeat a family of four, and that's going to be thirty dollars. There aren't too many places where you could go to sit down to eat for thirty dollars for a family. You could get some fast food, but is the I don't wanna say nutritional value. But is the the presentation going to be better? If you do the kit and take it home and prep it versus like getting some statues, the wherever I think your point about the nutritional value is absolutely relevant here. Because I I would love somebody to do a study of like once this is all out of like this compared to fast food when it comes to price. And when it comes to you are you getting more vegetables. Or are you not getting more vegetables? That's actually really high in fat. I think there's a lot going on here and is providing an answer on a larger scale, and solving a problem, which I like those things every meal, I've tried I've cancelled because I felt like I was getting too many potatoes. That was just one of the many reasons like I could just go. A grocery store myself. Well, that's the question if you're already in a grocery store, and you had to pick these up from WalMart. Right. Yes. But it sounds like they may be twang with the idea of some type of delivery grocery delivery as well. Because they do they are testing grocery delivery service in several locations, but that's typical like order online and get it delivered. It's not necessarily. I bet. I bet you could probably order these meals and have them delivered with the rest of your groceries. Yes. That's what's being tested as well. Also, WalMart announced this is all about partnerships. This is the partnership week WalMart announced a partnership with BuzzFeed. If you do not know BuzzFeed has a network called tasty. You may have seen their videos online. If you're on Facebook or Instagram they show you how to put together a quick meal. It's usually with a camera above a pot on a hot plate, and they put all the ingredients together, and they show you how to make something well this past year BuzzFeed came out with that hot plate as something you could purchase as bluetooth compatible where you can pull up an app that has the recipe on your phone and click on the recipe that you're doing and the hot plate will change in temperature. Depending on what recipe that your following? It's pretty smart right now, WalMart is working with BuzzFeed to come out with a line of products. It's coming out into store soon. It's kitchenware products gadgets bowls. There's ninety products in this line. It's huge. It's not like four pieces ninety products. Better. Slow it down. Go take a page. Low Wayne's book and pick four item. Listen a little Wayne little away. I don't listen to easy. He's got nothing. Go Luay level four items pick your favorites. Can't have it all ninety products. They range of price from four dollars to ninety nine dollars bet United nine hopefully, it's actually a cookware set. No. That is not a good deal. I'm gonna tell you right now. Smog survey Shen, those recipes on tasty or like, the least nutritional value ever. Have you looked at some of those those videos? It's always like, you some crescent roll dough and just wrap cheese around it. It's a recipe it's called cheese biscuit, everything is cheese and biscuits. I don't know. Why I'm so angered today? I'm like Schmidt on new girl. I'm just like. I don't know. I understand why BuzzFeed tasty wants to go into a around of products. It's a smart move. I understand partnering with WalMart is a great idea because that's a lot of stores. You have lots of eyeballs on your products. That's true. And I those that need kitchen gadgets from time to time. Everybody ends up in the kitchen out some point looking for something the WalMart meal kits are interesting. I know for a while they were partnering with home chef to have a couple of kits, but the grocery the idea of a grocery store having he e kind of kits is not particularly new. No, that's an old idea. Kroger is definitely a leader there. Publix down here in the southeast has it was just looking at Publix has three different options. They have one that simple. The has six steps or fewer. They've won that simpler as four steps are fewer. You're getting. Closer to what I need which is the one where you just got pushed button at home in the microwave. Yeah. But I like the idea of grocery stores being attuned to their customers needs, for example, the grocery store right by my office is crazy busy at lunch because people come to get the prep stuff. If I knew I could come in and pick up something for lunch and pick up something to take home and properly quick for dinner smart. I think that's bonus. You know, something beyond like the typical rotisserie chicken that we always talk about. So I think any sort of diversity here to make it easier for people to make freshly prepared food. I'm interested as long as it's not from those tasty videos because like eat a vegetable show me of vegetable in a tasty video do not right in. If you Email me about this. I will delete your Email back on this next. All right. I want to say quote about NAFTA Kelly. Why just to round out the show with an uplifting? Fun topic, national and international policy. Nafta is short for the North American Free trade agreement. Quick background the agreement signed in the nineteen ninety s to open up trade between Canada, and Mexico and the United States. It got rid of a lot of taxes on imports, and it made it easier for companies to do business across borders. Trump isn't a fan of NAFTA. Prone. He says it is responsible for the United States losing jobs to Mexico. He has said for really since the beginning of him campaigning that he wants to overhaul NAFTA, essentially, the US buys more goods from Mexico and Canada than they buy from us. He thinks it's wildly unfair. He wants to make it a more even playing field supposedly, what do we make? Oh, we're getting there. Yeah. Let's agree. Question. There's a movement this week about what's happening with NAFTA. Just yesterday Trump announced planned taxes on steel and aluminum that's not necessarily just about North American Free trade agreement goes into trade with China. He said that he thinks that China is kind of giving us a lot of really cheap steel and aluminum doesn't like it. But the important part of the story is that the phrase trade war is starting to be thrown around. We do not want that. Because what does America make exports intelligence apps, we make Vander pump rules episodes? But the that's what we export real housewives episodes. But that Sean Wight not everyone agrees with this plan. A spokesperson for house speaker Paul Ryan said, quote, we are extremely worried about the consequences of a trade war and are urging the White House not to advance with this plan. Now, what does this afternoon with our podcast because? Whereabout fashion and retail dig naming I can tell you raise hand, please call me Lisa if we can treat argument with countries around the world, how we going to get our clothes exactly, my friend. You got it. The United States does not make a ton of clothes. They are mostly imported and even if we made a lot of close wherever the material come from wherever the cotton come from probably not here. Yes. As a turn out Mexico is the fourth largest supplier of apparel and textiles to the United States. Thank you, Mexico. Yes. And a lot of apparel gets finished and Mexico. This means even if it is made here a lot of times it is shipped across the border, especially if it comes out of Los Angeles, California shipped across the border finished and then shipped back. So when you hear about NAFTA in the coming weeks do some thinking about what does this have to do with close? What's happening with close? It is not the first thing that people are really thinking about which is understandable. The steel an aluminum thing is a. Deal, but it's still tied into the larger markets of like how we're getting close. If you're interested in hearing, some of the backstory, we've talked a little bit about this before you can go back to episode 166. It was released on may fifth two thousand seventeen it's called gala fashion goups next move and ethical shopping options that will fill you end a little bit more. We only have two months the next man gala bring it the one about Catholocism Brang. A is it time for listener letters top listener Leto, I up in listener letters, actually, a thank you to listener, Sarah who sent us a contribution through our website over the past week. And I'm just wanna say thank you, Sarah. You make it easier for us to pay the bills for the show. Thank you. I also want to answer a question that I tried to answer privately, but your Email bounced bath bath where are you Beth asked what the old theme song? Was for the podcast before we change to the pamper prepare for a switch to that. One. She said, what is your French intro music? It was best Muccio check it out Google it. And now, you know, here is a note from Carla who says love when Wien guest hosts, especially when he opened the door about straight male skin-care. My husband is an extremely low maintenance guy, but loves to complain about getting breakouts. An ingrown hairs on his face. I take pleasure in explaining to him the very fine line between low maintenance and straight up laziness. I try my hardest to help him introduce just one or two products to help him like a swipe of what's that? What's that stuff to take off your makeup with my cellar Masella? Yeah. Mikolai? I do not how to pronounce it, exactly. What you're talking about? You know that stuff that water back to her letter now or a dash of sarum, but he usually just carries on in his own way. Although he refuses to uphold a routine whenever I do a face mask. He will insist on joining me, that's cute. I guess a good mask treatment. Once a week is just as good as a bare minimum face wash routine after all couples who masks together stay together. Thanks for making me, giggle. And keep up the good podcasting Karl thank you for that note that was really sweet v tonight. Both got a lot of emails drag messages flack just up flack texts about that particular segment. It was holier. Yes. And I found out that a lot of friends boyfriend significant others brothers excetera have similar issues at just made me laugh the whole thing. Just cracked me up. We're all in it together. Men. Women everyone in between. Gene, look, sometimes I'm releasing about washing my face, and you've seen how I break out. So like, let's all just take a moment today to wash our faces. This is not about vanity. This is about basic healthcare. Let me tell you. I walked in the bathroom at work today. One of my colleagues was floating in front of the mirror, and I was like Tam. I'm just not good enough. Everybody has their thing. It's okay. No. But like I should be doing that. So everybody when you wash your face also flaws. I do just a reminder for the team from the team for the team. Okay. Enough about my personal problems. We have one last note, it's a quick one for Madison, and I pledge to you with my full heart that I did not pay Madison to write in with. Madison says pro tip for my fellow listeners since we all order things on Amazon at work once in a while, I keep pop fashion bookmarked at the top of my browser on my computer and go to your site before I make any purchases it's just habit at this point. And the easiest way to support the show get that money ladies ex Madison, Madison bless your heart. Thank you, so much friend. That's so nice. I get messages from people every now, and then that are like us the Amazon link doesn't help. Yeah. It really helps. It does help it does. So thank you. If you're wondering what the heck we're talking about. If you go to our website, pop fashion, podcast dot com. There is a yellow bar that is a link to Amazon if he shot through that link we receive a small portion of those purchases, we don't get like a part of your pe- Peres genes, we get like a part of the money what's pennies, but those pennies add up they really add up. So thank you for just clicking on that link. And for taking the time to think. About us. Yeah. Other places you can reach us this week on Instagram, pop fashioned podcast. Let's repeat the day of our celebration Wednesday March fourteenth, it is at eight PM eastern on the Instagram. We're going to be hanging out with you for about a half hour. And if you miss it, you can see it for twenty four hours after it's going to be fun. I'm super what am I going to wear probably a face mask? I'm just going to embrace the facemask totally. Okay. It's about who we are for real not a front. I might wear pants the cats might be in it girl. Whatever you wanna do is fine. It's a party balloons, hats champagnes. Okay. You celebrate. How you see it? I'm talking about you KARN. And you at home to I'm not doing champagne, I learned last time. Lisa. Tell us your one good thing this week shit. I forgot about one good thing. Okay. I do. I do. I haven't let me tell you. Just very briefly. I had a conversation with a colleague yesterday that was very uncomfortable. And I was dreading doing it. But I knew I had to talk to her one on one and sort of air out the situation and move forward. Like, we I wasn't going to be able to work with her unless I told her how I felt about this particular situation that had passed. So I got an a room really quick. And I told her about it, and it went great. And it was his huge weight off my shoulder as not only did neither of us cry. We both had a couple of laughs in the conversation. We had a really good discussion. And I fell so much lighter emotionally after I did it. So let my one good thing. Inspire you guys to deal with that conversation that you've been waiting for a long time. Yeah. I'm proud of you really thinks dude it's brave to talk to some. Many and tell them something hard especially face. It's really easy to complain. The like you Carin about what somebody else right and just to vent in that way. It is way harder to approach the person who made you upset, but it's so much better to do it that way. I'm really proud of you. Yeah. Yeah. So. If you've got got us all of your beef. Yeah. Beef Lisa hat p hallways KARN. What's your one thing? My one good thing. This week is Ernest people in general earnestness is my one good thing. No. I don't know if I can agree with us. I so appreciate it. I think it's a very. Underrated quality. I add I was talking about how this came about is. I was talking about somebody this past week. And I described him as Ernest, and it was the first thing that came to mind, and I really stood by it that really is the word I would use to describe him. I like Ernest us because it has to do with like sincerity of heart. And really like the earnest person in the room is not going to be the most flashy. They're not going to be the one who's wanting to be the center of attention. But it is a quality a characteristic in someone's personality that really speaks to trying to get to a truth. And what I've come to realize is that I don't necessarily need to agree. A hundred percent of the time with this personality type if I come to a different conclusion within them. That's okay. But I just like the thought that is put behind their decision making. And I really think we should be seeking out more earnest people in our lives. They're kind of touchstones. That is a great point because I feel like this personality type frustrates me a lot. But these are good people to have around in your life when it comes down to it. Yeah. Why does it frustrate you 'cause I'm really sarcastic? And sometimes someone who is very earnest and very sincere. To me seems it's it's hard to tell sometimes if someone who is Ernest as being authentic, or if it's just a show they're putting on like a face. They're putting on. But once you once, you know, that someone is genuinely earnest and really virtuous and that way it's easier to take it as it comes. I think and to to take that as a balanced to my sarcasm, and my my quick to anger personality as we've noticed on the show tonight when I've been yelling the whole time. I think how you know someone sincerely Ernest is that it will play out over time. Yes. If it's a facade. You can't keep it going for that long. It'll eventually crack, but somebody who is that's really genuine part of their personality, though, remain who the our conclusion don't be quick to judge. I think for a long time in my life. I was drawn to a very specific personality type as a friend. What I'm starting to understand is that making sure that I'm a friend with lots of different types of people when it comes. To their personality type is wonderful for me in many different ways that it just helps helps me think of things differently helps me consider things differently helps make decisions differently, and I just really enjoy it. So that's my one good thing. Really glad you found that kind of person to have in your life since I can't help the MAC department. I need your personality type in my life to Lisa. It's really I need you in my life. Good because you're not getting rid of me. We got four more years to go. We're on contract wrong contract. We've got we've got to terms. We're like president. Oh, we are. So co presidents. Yes. Yeah. Oh, I wanna talk about house cards, but I wanna talk about it off. Okay. We gotta go. We got wrap this up by guys. Bye. Bye.

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Oh there's Zik there's a dead body there's a corpse and you're like what I was because we are there too right. Yeah and I said it's time boy right right exactly Yeah that's great. So the thing is they could they could see it was a a cadaver like they could see the corpses back back the head arm hanging out And they just thought well. We heard that there was a hiker that was recently killed. And that's probably who that is we'll take a couple pictures and go down and tell somebody who owns like the nearest lodge right and on the way down you and argo and like that was not a hiker that was recently can know. Even I knew that like did you see that Guy Super Old. He was a mommy. The signs are crazy and Simon. Were not crazy. But I'm sure they were saying the same thing they decided to your shot right right so they some people went up and I think within a day or two they went up to try to get this dead hiker who they thought was a dead hiker out and they did did a terrible job with it yeah. They used Ski Poles to chip away at the ice. They used an ice hammer to chip away at the ice damaged the body. Yeah but they think loas just like some hiker whatever it will be fine like it And this article makes it sound like He. We like the whole world where everybody who knew about this body just thought it was a modern hiker for you know a while until the body came down the mountain. That's that's not the case one of the things that when they were getting this body out the Accidentally ESCO excavated was a copper headed. Axe word. Got Out that there was an act with this body and that is really weird and it was copper copper with like a wooden shaft and everything was clearly a very very very Old Acts and so pretty quickly. They realized that they were onto something here for sure and what they found out. Was this body. High Frozen Rosen body one of my favorite simpsons lines ever good on five thousand years old. That's the same same little bit as when he goes Boone Pie. What are you telling you know that was not a buddy? What's his name? Oh man it'll come to me later. Also it screaming. I can picture him. Beer Phil Coz right now. Oh what is it. I want to say like Chauncey see. Your chalmers is not bad as something very similar that cave all right. I'm GONNA keep going so they get this body out in Removed it on September. Twenty third ninety-one sealed up like you said Fluid Outta town. In a wooden coffin to innsbruck the Institute of Forensic Medicine. There was an archaeologist named Konrad. Spindler there who said despite he's at least four thousand years old at the very least what's his name Jasper Jasper be spur of course so they nicknamed the Because of the region of the Alps very cute a little name it is other people call them frozen Fritz. Oh really yeah I like the way more. Yeah let's he's Nice. Yeah so impre- short order. They realized that what they had just excavated in the roughest possible manner and accidentally come upon was the corpse of a fifty fifty three hundred year. Old Body yes and when I said the guy said it was four thousand years old he said that was the initial. Like he's at least this old right. Yeah but it turns out that after further study they figured out who's actually fifty three hundred years old and he lived in the copper age which was a relatively brief period in human history. She been a really important one Between the Neolithic Age at the end of the Neolithic Age when the first farmer started to appear and the Bronze Age when the I what we consider society and civilization in history began right and we know very little about this and what these hikers had discovered was a snapshot of life during that time. Because yeah let's see appeared to have just died where he fell where he died Gridiron where he fell it was almost there And leaving his his belongings with them and it wasn't he wasn't like a a great revered figure. He wasn't buried read. He wasn't prepared. He was kept intact for fifty fifty three hundred years on this glacier. Yeah that was the biggest deal because they have mummies and they have older mummies but like you said it's their organs are removed they're filled with You know embalming chemicals and things they used at the time for preservation for the afterlife and all this yes so this was a really big deal to find this body just really really scarely well preserved and when we say well preserved served. It doesn't look like Chris Christopherson but not anymore. The organs were there and Mike didn't the red blood cells have still inside still intact. Yeah the oldest intact blood sample overtaken Let's see so in the fact that he wasn't buried provides provides a snapshot it wasn't ritualized. It was this guy was just living his wife and he died and happened to be preserved perfectly belongings were preserved along with them and things that are organic and typically typically Decay long before fifty. Three hundred years comes and goes so his clothing made of like different types of leather preserved. his his code or Cape Made of woven grasses was preserved all really cool when you look at the the shoes news and the bearskin had and right very cool. bearskin hat was another one. His tool kit was preserved. All the stuff that we had like like just kind of little hints and traces glimpses of from different like burial cash. It or just happy to find some artifact or whatever this is like a straight up polaroid picture of life in the coppers. Yeah it was almost like someone stumbled upon a museum of natural history display. But it was real right. You know well put chuck you know who would love that analogy I. Christopher Jasper and I don't mean would've in the fact that he's dead I mean would've had he heard it Nygren. He's never going to hear this. You'd never know I'm using reverse psychology manager. Well you might as well Willie Nelson. We'll never ever listen to these either. Neither World Dolly Parton. Yeah we went all the country legends listening. Ronnie millsap will never hear. This was sure. Okay not with US though. Because he doesn't listen to this stuff you should know it never will so apparently where where see actually fell Was Pretty lucky because it was in a very very shallow crevasse. And the fact that that was Kinda walled up on both sides of them Kept him if he was just out in the open. The freeze thaw cycle over over the years would have washed everything away. Ripped him apart and It didn't happen because he kind of fell in this Karaz All five foot two hundred and thirty four pounds of them. Yeah which is a hundred and fifty eight centimeters in sixty one kilograms. That's right he had brown is Apparently at five to was even a little little short for the time but he was ripped. Yeah he was pretty sturdy You know in his mid forties like we said and really strong legs six and you know kind of the fun thing about. This is the Archaeological forensics of trying to piece together. Like what was he doing right rounded die. What we'll get all that? But just the fact that like he had big legs they were like this guy. He's probably herder. He's walking up and down these mountains all the time right. Look at those calves. Yeah he looks like the guy from that one. Liberty Mutual Commercial. I don't know what you mean. It doesn't matter like ten people. I just laughed What else did he had? He had a dagger he had. That axe you're talking about The dagger had a wicker Sheath. He had A backpack he had a leather pouch. Yeah with the backpack by the way. We'll never know how it worked. Because he got destroyed by the people who went really dug him out of the ice. Get some rudimentary snowshoes. News hit a belt. He had A belt that matched his Cape Right. Yeah Um and we'll we'll talk about that but apparently they on purpose. Yes the here is a bit of a fashion Easter Yeah He had a couple of vessels that were lined with maple leaves The he used to carry embers from place to place. So we didn't have to start notifier again all the stuff you like cool of Flint Dagger Cu Copper Xhosa members saying. It's all cool. Yeah I do too but I can see people out there being like a uh talk about math or something right. The thing is is like all the stuff that seems kind of boring and superficial has been so thoroughly studied that it's actually been used to paint a larger picture like we understand the copper age in Europe way better than we did before he was just from finding this the few things things that he died with. Yeah and him himself He also interestingly had sixty one tattoos all over his body. audie chuck been waiting for This Day. What you said tattoos correctly? Oh you mean the tatoos anything so Yeah and they were. They covered from head to toe in different parts and they didn't use needles back then obviously but they would rub or cut the skin open and then rub charcoal inside. And they're all they they mapped them out in two thousand fifteen and organize them into nineteen groups and they are basically you know like maybe maybe three identical lines short lines like an inch long or like a cross not spiritual religious cross but you know like a plus sign. Yeah or or like a a a Chinese character that has some inspirational association or right perseverance or something. We had to lower back. Tattoo a thorny branch But yeah they met these all out for a while they thought in some people still think because they were largely found around the joints and along as back back And he had back problems and they sh- he basically was marked up where he hurt. It looks like right and they thought it might have been either accu port puncture points to mark or it might have been the acupuncture treatment itself right but it does. They do think that it had something to do with acupuncture which in in and of itself was a big revelation because they thought up to that point that acupuncture had been invented two thousand years after the way further eastern in Asia Asia right but now they think that may not have been the case because they found A new cluster of tattoos on his chest that they didn't formally recognize is And they were like there are no acupuncture points there and he didn't have any injuries there so now they're they didn't throw it out with the bathwater but there are people now they're saying like we don't know if that's true or not no okay so I'm really glad you said that everything that we know about the aside from the fact that he is dead dead. Yeah we have a pretty good idea of winning. Live right. Probably was height weight was stuff like that. Everything else is interpretation shirt so you have to educated interpretation super educated and usually displaying the current understanding of history or interpretation of Mr Your events but is still interpretation. That's part of archaeology anthropology and history. Especially when you're talking about prehistory this is he. He lived during a time before anybody wrote anything down recorded anything which makes it prehistoric. But you just bear that in. Mind that everything we're talking about and everything you go read about. Let's see is very much described in absolute terms. Yeah but it is our picture an image of him how he lived how he died has really shaped in an shifted over the years since he was discovered and it still is still malleable. Nothing is definitive. Nothing said an ice all right. Let's take a break break. The bad joke. We'll talk about Otis urgency's health This hello friends. 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So they know that we sent you it. simplisafe dot com slash stuff was He healthy. I mean he was He was a person of age in his mid forties of a time. Where at that age? She's going to be pretty beat up. Yeah he wasn't unhealthy and like the modern sense. Where he's he's like deliberately wrecking his health? Because eating too much junk food or something like you know me but he was unhealthy in the way that a person would be unhealthy you from living close to the land time before medicine. It really developed exactly. No doctors no dentists so as you would imagine he had gum disease heart disease lime disease ghost gall. Bladder stones hardened arteries gallstones. Yeah the the disorder so nice. We named it twice right. He had A whip worm parasite in his gut. He had H. Pylori in his gut And all of this is to say like you said he's probably a pretty normal normal dude of mid mid forties of the time right He was they couldn't find a stomach for a long time to mazing. How much of the stuff like it was found over the years like this tattoo? This was just found a few years ago. Like many many years of study. His birthmark looks like Abraham Lincoln alluded people for decade But they couldn't even find stomach and finally like Oh here it is twenty years later. They found it wedged between his ribs and his lungs yet then they found it because they noticed he gallstones. So they basically traced the path from the gallbladder to the stomach and said there it is we found and they were really happy they found it because when they Syria dissect it or take samples from it. They found that it was full. Yeah he died like within an hour or so of eating his last meal. An hadn't digested it. He had food in his in his colon. He had food in his intestines. He had turtle head peeking out. That's what his last meal was dried. Ibex and deer meat with a horn. Weet yes and slow plums. UH-HUH I don't know why that wasn't mentioned in that. Same meal in Brooklyn served you buy a guy with a waxed moustache and like some sort of arm-banded armed garter so yeah an armed guard. That's that's it isn't it. Yeah that's it So he ate they think some sort of like fatty cured me. Kind of like a Bacon occurred Bacon today and the eichhorn wheat was from bread. Any also eat slow plums Gotcha K.. Slow plums yeah that they make sloe Jin from. Oh really which are never had have you. That's S. L. O. E. Right. Yeah right it's supposedly a very tart kind of bitter plum but it it's like loaded with vitamins ever had and remember Seemed like a a old person was a sloe Gin fizz like an old person who's like a hundred and fifty fifty years old. Yes on when I lived in Arizona there were all the snowbirds down there. They drink like sludge infield. I've never been president. Somebody ordered a slow Jim phys. Yeah I would liked to try once. Sure I try one josh. Go get us a couple of visits stat. I guarantee you. There's a bar in this dumb building that has sludge in business. This is on the air here. Sure with armed guards Can I keep the armed guard comes with a drink. So let's talk a little bit more about the copper age. I guess He had well. We'll save his injuries for a minute here. Okay we'll talk a little about his lifestyle. Oh and the copper age like he said he was As demonstrated by his meals he lived to pretty like farming pleasant life down on there. It seems like but not one without conflict. You know. Sure based on his meals well based on his meals he lived a farming type lifestyle but based on injuries. We're going to talk about. It seems like that you know He. He had some enemies so from from what I saw. And I mean we used a lot of a different articles but National Geographic is very well represented in here live science History Dot com the BBC. I came across something from a a pen Pennsylvania Penn Museum or U. Penn Museum. I think they have A magazine called expedition. That was pretty awesome. Had A pretty great thing I I saw a couple of things from Historians that wrote up basically descriptions of ASEAN thought co which is surprising great resource. Yeah Yeah have you ever noticed Yes Yep so In in one of these I saw that it was Kinda put like He. He lived as a farmer and enjoyed like the the fruits of village life to things like cheese and processed grains and cereals also bread and stuff like that and the The idea is that he didn't know how to bake bread or make cheese he. He was part of a villager society. Where somebody knew how to bake bread and somebody knew how to break make rice? So the professions were starting to emerge but that he also was pest oral and that like he he herded sheep and that's probably what he did most of most of the time and then he also live very close to the earth the the land as well like like his last meal was wild game Ibex in deer and slow plums that he probably plucked himself. He was kind of like this. Transitional human from the Hunter Gatherer passed into the agrarian agriculture-based future that spread out. Just ahead of them. Yeah like just ahead of them were like real deal Italians out there. Yeah Bacon begets. Let's French yeah what I mean Italian bread yes in Italy they call it bread. That's right I I mentioned earlier. That is closed matched and they do think and of course again. This is all speculation relation but these garments were pretty refined even when you look at him now like he had these. I skin leggings. That were held up by suspenders. I by Alexander McQueen A. Man. I went and saw that I know that was amazing. So good In a great documentary on him too. That's good inside. the They talk about the color of the animal skins contrasting colors they think were actually matched Like elaborately Abberley and he had like like you said a sense of style like you know is that possible. Yeah but I mean it seems like a lot to extrapolate wait did his coat and his belt matched and so they were like. Hey we had a real personal identity whereas it could have been just like that's the materials that he had on hand that fit. That's that's possible but I think what they would assert is that It has enough panache. Yeah that the chances of of it just being random or very unlikely less likely and it being asserting his sense of fashion well and he was Italian. That's right so you know Italians and their fashion go hand in hand. Love it. Everyone who knows that fear in say I remember when I was touring Europe as a youth. Both my friend and I- laughing at the Italian guys in hostels where like the nineteen year old dudes. We're so put together like would spend so much time in the mirror MHM wearing the Cologne and getting their hair. Perfect yeah we were just disgusting humans and They got the girls so turns out that they were onto something a little bit of extra and the big hair. Yeah they're a great guy so we met some cooler Italian dudes one of the other things too. Though that the fact that he clearly was involved lived in a village. They think that he was associated with a particular village to the south in a valley near. You know the mountains I things like bread and cheese that they think they found in his body But also the fact that he did not he obviously didn't know how to make make his own tools. Somebody else had He probably did not know how to weave the Cape wearing. Somebody else had done that. Yeah they're all. They all have their specialties. That yeah the tattoos. He couldn't have put some of them on his own body. He probably went to see a medical practitioner. Knew that so yeah. This is at a point point win. Specialists in in specialized professions are starting to emerge. Yeah it's really cool time. Yeah and this is. These are the things that we've learned from. You know that. We've gleaned Leanne from the stuff that we found with him I think it's just astounding fascinating. Yeah it's really cool. This is a really interesting period. I think of human development. It's also called by by the way the copper age or the CHALCO ethic only coverage I do to chuckle ethic. Just kinda coughs out of the mouth isn't it. Yeah so let's talk a little bit about what might have happened to Ritzy and how. He found himself dead on that mountain. Because there are quite a few theories over the years and like you said even this week they have Some more leads but He was wounded. He had a really bad wound on his right hand. They found out he was is right handed to so. This is a big deal Between his thumb and his forefinger there that area went all the way down to the bone but it looked like it had healed up a little bit So it probably happened. They said within a few days of when he died right but it was healing But it was a big injury like we said because he was right handed and But it's not the kind of thing that that kill them he didn't bleed out from that or anything like that. No so It makes you think well what did kill them and right. Well they think that might have been and from a fight. Perhaps that wound that has been almost universally agreed upon from the outset. Bright that he probably didn't inflict that wound in himself and that it seems to have been a defensive wound right. There was a guy named Alexander Horn. WHO's in inspector with the Munich police so we should give us a little background? I win is he was found. He was taken into Germany down the mountain into or Austria Innsbruck Austria and the Germans were heavily involved as well as the Austrians and the Italians were less involved. And that's where he kind of stayed for the first few years I think about a decade or less after he was discovered and then eventually he was is transferred to Italy. The Italian side. Yeah because they were like keys found the on our side. Yeah like just barely I think also. I don't know if this contributed a tour if it came later but he does seem to have been linked to the Italian side. Where like you said he was an Italian right So he was transferred to Italy and when they when they took custody of him man they pulled out all the stops they put him up in. Bowsman oh Italy near about thirty miles or something from where he was found around They built a museum specifically for him. Chur an institute built around studying him and they proceeded to study him more than any other. Mummy has ever been studied. Probably any other body then has ever been studying in the history of the world. Yeah for sure Have just turned out paper after paper. Apr After Paper based on their findings for them So but at first some of the ideas that we have about what happened to him come from the earliest interpretations posed by the Germans the Austrians when they had custody of itsy right which weren't necessarily right as it turns out no but some may have been butcher. Sure my ultimate point was everybody says from the outset that he wound and his hand was a defensive wound that came from of close combat. With somebody else. That's right for a while. They thought that was an Austrian archaeologist named Konrad Spindler that I mentioned earlier that they sort of recreated the scene contention early on was like man that acts as leaning up against the rock propped up there like we think everything is literally frozen in time from how it was and I think that's one of the things that they've later refuted right and they said that it looks like things might have moved around some. Yeah they think that the What would you call it the site I I guess From the freeze thaw cycle just kind of distributed redistributed the stuff. Yeah which you know. It's still all valid but not it was not necessarily exactly as it was at his moment of death indeed They did find his hat though off of his head as if it just like kind of fell off of his head which might have been true right so some of his early stuff they also found what they thought were fractured ribs. That had not healed right so the earliest picture was this like they treat it like this is a dead body mystery. Where did this dead body come from? How did he die? Yeah well quickly. Though they also found pollen in his gut that they thought came from an autumn plant so they were like he died in the fall right okay. So that's the full set of the bad information so the first idea and I think it was spindler who came up with the The disaster theory Konrad Spindler said okay. Here's what happened. Let's see. He came down from the mountain probably hurting some sheep goats and the fall went down to his village and gotten an altercation with somebody. Somebody Cut His hand. You look in my wife right that kind of thing. That's nice. And he fled or o n par- part ardiles rotation also resulted in some cracked ribs and either fled or laughter escaped up the mountain again where he became exhausted from his cracked ribs. Right and his cut hand and lay down or fell into this little shallow crevasse and died of exposure to hypothermia Batteries the disaster theory and that was that you know I mean they had that for a few years and somebody came along and I don't think that's right that's right Because they found out some of the things like the site had melted some and then Things were in different positions. They originally thought probably They examined the ribs again in and said they were actually not fractured before he died. Yeah they were just a little bent. Yeah from like after his death probably from the push of is the pressure from ice dancing. Using on 'em again exactly that'll that'll cribs in a second Scher or bend your ribs. The big one though is what they found in the x Ray in two thousand one right you. They found Should we take a break. Oh yeah all right. We'll discover what they found right after this. Hey everybody I wanNA talk to you about your website. It doesn't look good and it's hard to program because squarespace does it better. Yeah they do squarespace. Is this amazing magical tool rule that you can just basically go to sleep and all of a sudden you have a website to do whatever you want with you can use it to sell stuff you can use it to tell your world about all the great thoughts yes you have and now squarespace also offers email campaign so you can take your business embryo. It up yeah we use squarespace. Ourself are very popular S. Y.. What S K live website keeps track of Oliver Comings and goings and Oliver live shows? It's always a joy to go in there and update the squarespace site because it's so easy and it always looks so great and it makes me feel smarter than I am. Yeah they offer customizable layouts powerful editing mobile editing not just for your website but also for email campaigns paints too so go check it out go to squarespace dot com slash stuff today so just go to squarespace dot com slash stuff today for a free trial when you're ready launch. Everyone use the offer code stuff to save ten percent on your first purchase of a website or domain squarespace. Just go check it out What did they find chuck? They found a freaking arrowhead lodged in his shoulder back shoulder. Those verbatim quote from the press conference. This is a big deal. They missed it for ten years. They missed the sing and they found founded Yeah it was just a regular x ray and they said wait a minute that looks denser than bone. Yeah what is that. It's a triangle. It's a triangle and it was a thirteen millimeter meter gash along a major artery in his chest. And they're like he bled to death up there. Yeah during this era. They said there's no way he would have survived. This unhealed this this this is finally what killed them so this disaster theory that he got an altercation but ultimately died of exposure hypothermia was replaced by the murder theory very right which is very similar. But there's some important nuances in differences one so the cracked rib thing. Just throw. That away shows a red herring But the altercation is still the same he comes down the mountain he gets in a fight of some sort of goes back up the mountain with his hand and while he's hanging out maybe tending to his wound may be trying to figure out what to do next. That's my Arrow impression. Message message for you sir. Yeah Yeah right in the back in the back from a distance they think due to the penetration from the Arrowhead from about thirty meters. Yes good shot that is it is a good shop because it was a kill shot from thirty meters one hundred fifty feet. That's a that's a ways I can't quite put it into an an easy analogy. But that's a long long way yeah And the fact that it was in the back you never saw it coming and it would have killed them pretty quickly as a punk move is what it was it was. Here's the thing because His possessions were left intact Because he had the defensive wound yeah they think that that this was the result of his death is murder was the result of a personal conflict. There was no theft involved or anything like that right because his copper acts alone would have been pretty valuable able at the time that somebody would have taken. Had they killed them for something like robbery and so this was a vendetta. Yes released a personal fight. That happened opened that day. Yeah or maybe a longstanding view. There's no way to tell here here. We reach the point where the historians and archaeologists are like. We really can't say but here's some ideas. Yeah for me. It's either. The person who he fought Came back for revenge I think and this is a total gas. Yes but I was trained in history. So I'm allowed to do this. Your he was your trained in history. Yeah it was. I studied history in college. That's what they call it. They're like does. How do you train history? Camp Right He he was successful in that hand to hand combat and killed the other person whether it was offensive offensive or defensive. I like to think it was defensive. He didn't have a choice But the person's family came back and killed him up on the mountain. Gotcha that's the current idea. Well not that last part that it was his family. But the what I said leading up to that everything about the Everything else about that. I'm really sorry Chris Christopherson and that's the current idea of what happened. I think So you're not going with my jealous lover theory. No no I'm not all right I think it was a woman with that Arrow. You think the woman a woman shot him. Yeah Jealous Lover. I think he was stepping out and he was like like holding hands like baby baby. It wasn't me. Yeah and she slices them with the Her implement of choice and then dice ism with the era and then he's like this is getting too serious. You're crazy until he heads up the mountains and she's like I'll show you crazy. Turns Glenn Close. She goes and forges ero and then in that time it took her to forage that Arrow from hardened Molten Flint Flint. Church church and he's up that hill a little bit and she's like no problem. Watch this right in the back. I like that one too all right. I'm going with family family because because I mean you know you can't trust family trips family so Speaking of that shirt He did not have he didn't have blanks. Yeah so this is evidence that he didn't know how to create his own tools. These tools which apparently really works on their last leg. That was another thing too so he did not have voiding. Needed like imagine if you had if you had like a A tool an axe. No a knife and it's made of Flint and you use it over and over and over again it's going to get worn down around and eventually it's GonNa get so worn down that you just can't use it anymore. This is essentially the state of his arrowheads and is knife and some of his other stone tools in particular uh-huh that he was not in a in a position to defend himself with his own tools because he used them up and I wonder if the if he's not making these in the village if they're like Ortiz you know he's have you guys noticed he's on the way out like we're not going to be making any more tools verty. Yeah I can. We don't have many. He just make do with what he's got. It's a but he owes me money. So should we talk about moss this this was astounding to me that this happened in the last few days. Because did you pick this out before this happened or was it saying this is what I saw that made me say it's time okay. I got you so researchers found The these moths spores That were inside of him that he ingested and just on him and around him Seventy percent of the seventy five species of these mosses and liverworts were not local and they basically said there's is no way these would have been on the side of the mountain if not for him right like a bird couldn't have transported it this far or something like that like let's see brought these up here and so in doing that and the entr racing like these mosses and spores and everything. They have been clue. They've been able to retrace his steps that lasts basically thirty three hours of of his life the last day and a half and it was not a great day and a half for him. He knows hand wound by now by the time. We're coming in here He's already got his hand wound It's gotta be smarting and it's a real problem for him too because even if it could make tools he would have been really troubled to do anything uh-huh because he was right handed and that's where his wound almost down to the bone was his right hand. Yeah so that's a big problem for him right there. Yeah so what they found in his lower colon which would have been the last. I'm sorry the oldest stuff that he had eaten that has not yet been the turtle head not yet not turtle headed yet or I guess currently turtle at it yeah Were Pine and spruce pollen. So they said and it's kind of NEAT. That's what I love about this like historical forensics like. Oh well we know what was in his body. We know where that stuff is. It's not at certain altitudes. It was a high altitude for us. around eighty two hundred feet and they know because of where it was in his body. This is thirty three hours before he died right but the middle track to his colon. That's all the secrets are in the colon Had Pollen from hop porn beam and that stuff from lower altitudes it's from lower altitudes but also it grows rose only in the spring and summer. It decays very quickly So it's not something that you would preserve and keep for the fall or the winter weather throughout the autumn theory. Sorry yeah so they. They say he definitely died in the summer. Right and bring. I guess that means that he probably descended maybe all the way to the bottom. The valley within twelve hours maybe nine to twelve hours of his death and then all the way back up again right where he was found dead and they all this out. They retraced all this just from those spores and Moss's amazing. They think maybe so he. He's down in the valley to begin with her in the village. Gets that hand wound fleas up to to the tree. Line And then they think because he's like the little lady always seems a few days to cool off and right here going to get the meal for that one I I reject my right by the way So then he goes back down they think to get some Moss's because they have antibacterial properties. Yeah you can also wrap meet in right apparently to keep it or whatever but also he they he may have wrapped his hand in it or something or maybe doctor. Maybe then he goes back the to the tree above the tree line where he dies at about ten thousand five hundred feet along the way he had that last meal of Ibex and deer and bread headon slow plums. Pretty good meal not bad. I wonder if he was panicked if he knew like. I'm in a bad way because of the cut cut on my hand and my tools and arrowheads are not in good shape. I don't know 'cause it's interesting. You only know that stuff from seeing it at that point in history like it would have been like Boy I've seen that kind of wound before on. Oh Yeah took in. Yeah he did not last long. But if you've thought somebody was coming after you and you knew do that you're arrowhead was useless and your knife was like Dole and you're you're stabbing hand was cut to the bone right. You probably wouldn't Nevada seen that before it would be like a probably so well. He was in full retreat from what it looks like right. Yeah and that's why he was going off that mountain. That's that's that's what most people guess. Yeah so he was is probably scared. Yeah which is sad. But that's how we spent his last day and a half kind of on the run up and down the mountain which is pretty impressive that he was able to make you know he went up and down the mountain who's wearing moccasins stuff with grass and he was old for the time sure and he had ginger Vitus Kind of a neat thing is they. They have found They found some weird markers on his male sex chromosomes and they've actually traced some genetic relatives at least nineteen people living today. Yeah in in. Austria are not married but related. Yeah Pretty Neat. I think so too so check. There's an another theory that says. Hey you know your whole murder theory. It's B B S. That's maybe the murder part is correct. But he was murdered ritually. This isn't a vendetta or anything like that. Let's see was buried right. They think that this was a ritual burial on top of a mountain But he you know it's not the kind of maybe they just want a group that removed the organs and did that stuff right. Yeah so the premise of the the the burial theory called the social theory is that he's not a snapshot of Everyday Life Right that they didn't that he would have been so heavily laden with all of this stuff because we didn't even say he had a bow and Arrow evers a lot of stuff knife a hatchet He was wearing moccasins with grass. And they're kind of like seriously. That's the best they could do at this time for a mountain. That's shoes your like. Those are mountain hiking shoes at at any point in history and the the fact that The shafter the Arrow was removed. I think they eight point two is an example of the idea that he was Buried the he was killed ritually am buried in the south so they think the the killing was a ritual killing two sacrafice killing. Yeah oh I didn't get that part and the other thing is they're saying like this stuff. These fancy Alexander McQueen leggings that that he wore that were basically the predecessor of lederhosen. Then some pretty nice stuff for a simple like she hurt her is it to be wearing. That's what at this is. What the social theory people are saying? They're they're like we think this guy was actually kind of important and that he was buried here as a sign symbol symbol and what they found what they point to is that there's stellar like mono- list that were carved in the late copper age with thousand or two thousand years after after. Let's see because he was born at the beginning of the copper age. Yeah that are depictions of somebody dressed a lot like. Let's see yeah. And they think that these are like Heroes Rosen legends ancestors and they're saying this guy's wearing what these people were carving images of a thousand years later. Yeah maybe he was kind of important and maybe this this is A.. B. Also had some ornamentation to yeah like a marble bead. Yeah which you know could means something you're could not but the fact that he had so much stuff with him does China's China's support the idea that maybe it was berry and send him into the afterlife with all the things he would need right exactly and then the other one is no one's ever explained how how he was so well preserved that apparently being frozen by doesn't doesn't cut it. Oh yeah that that other people have been found Who died far later and we're in way were states of decay than let's see was but they found no like chemical preservation no evidence or anything no and admittedly handedly both sides? If either one of being honest they will say. We don't know how he was this. Well preserved quite a mystery still to to this day as much as we know about him he is still a mystery. He's our love and mystery man. That's right if you I know more about let's see go type OTC. I why in your favorite search bar and it will bring up some fascinating stuff in that sense for listening to me. I'm going to call this. The accidental accidental iron man. Hey guys big fan for a long time. I accidentally did my first Ironman and July twenty eighteen. And you might. I think the world would that happen. I was thinking exactly. Here's how the happens. 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030519 Part 2

Ace and TJ

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030519 Part 2

"Yeah. It's not the news. It's more important now trending with Riggins on the ace and TJ show. Today's special dates fat Tuesday. It's also pancake day. But as TJ pointed out earlier this morning, it is national grammar day, which should be everyday. But we'll take what we can. Wow. It's also national multiple personality day. And national cheese doodle day. So a lot of reasons to celebrate today. So why would you celebrate him having multiple personality disorder or I mean, that's a that's a party that. Pretty inexpensive. Well, it can be looked at. It is funny. Yeah. Some people look at it. They won't get mad. Parking on the street can't agree on anything. Then. Now that one bully always shows up. It's data. Look at yourself in connect with who you are. That's what some people look at it. Well that doesn't do with multiple personality. Yeah. The other people believe that it's data raise awareness about the. Oh, okay. Fair makes sense. Dole cover your mouth when you laugh terrible holiday. But it's not the same as national grammar day national pancake day, right because it is a serious issue that yet national cheese doodle day and multiple personality disorder. Multiple personality disorder day. No. Because that's all different house. You don't have multiple personalities if it's not a disorder. Yet says you may know someone maybe a friend or family member who's been diagnosed with multiple personality disorder. If so spent some extra time with them today. And all of their personal. Stupid. So this story has gone viral. A woman buys a husband her husband a special birthday massage because he's never had a massage before his back has been making as he leaves to go get his massage. She says, I hope you enjoy it and gives him a little, wink. He thinks nothing of it. He goes to the massage. Parlor, he gets his massage. Then the masseuse. Flips around. And there is a joyous conclusion. A joyous conclusion he gets back home. And his wife asks him how the massage was. He said, it was great didn't realize your gift would include all of that. And she goes, what are you talking about? He goes, the, you know, the the end part she goes, what are you talking about long story short? He has been out of the house now for three days. He. Okay. Is a real bad place. All right. Well, here's here's something that will help me in in understanding the severity. When he reached the happy conclusion to the story was it because. Was just because she was turning the pages in the book that they were reading. Yeah. Okay. So nothing more than that. When he could have easily just turned his own pages on a normal day. But this was his birthday. So he didn't even she wanted him to relax here the story, and she would turn the pages. And he would enjoy the most your segment big deal. She's the one that pushed him into that. She didn't realize it would be all this. Now, she's say, but he hasn't heard he doesn't know that he doesn't know she goes off. Hey, said she gave him a, wink. This is what she searches for him. She saying why did you let her do that? He's saying why did you buy it saying I didn't buy that? I bought you Obama saw he's saying you should've told me what you would what would love when I was looking out for. Well, certainly, you don't think you're going to go get him a size, and then all you would buy. Certainly, certainly if it were an up biff, you would have sent sent me to some sort of a spa. Yeah. And not a parlor. Your coupon. Also said she would walk on my back. If I. Not exactly sending me to massage therapists this group therapy. I mean, it's crazy. What people think about that? I'm fascinated by it. What do you think because she bought the gift but didn't realize what she was buying? He added to give she didn't tell him what she purchaser he thought and even gave her a little weak as he enjoying go. You travel said I gave you the wink because when we come back. It's your birthday, we're going to have a little, but here's the thing. He. He should have. He should've known his wife. Well, enough to know she wouldn't have done if something if my wife the same situation with Jodie. There is no way. I would say, oh, this was so nice of Jody. I would immediately say Jodi was not know, this is what goes on. So let's not tell her, right. I mean, that's still do it. But I'd come home. Go. Sack really act or whatever. What do you know that that we call this an exciting? Something completely different. Will you Saka really act? Okay. That's something in the back. Yeah. Know. Yeah. Hey, fifty maybe it's like is. It got. No, it didn't look younger guy. I was thinking about me. I'm saying what say what a gift. I would be like, okay. Well, my wife. I wife is cheapskate. Isn't that take me up a couple levels, and I'll pay the rest of it out of pocket here. Upgrade me. Well, I'm here he should've asked to worry about I won't have to worry about her say anything to Jodi later scheme, speak English who who's you give ask like he should have missed his wife. I do you know what's going on in this appointment, just I don't know. I would have thought to clarify. I would have thought Jodi was testing me that is due. Faye? Wow. So all those things are now we can come back to this show after more shows live on our everyday ten eastern nine central. You don't have are happy Cannella the free app store. Thanks to Papa John's and they're fantastic to. Okay. So this guy and this girl had been seeing each other for about a month. You're talking about becoming exclusive than she. Pull something that he did not expect. And she says this is helped her avoid potentially awful relationships. He wants to know if you think it's weird. It's group therapy next. You always stay connected funny with the more show after the show podcast is to tunes. 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Stay connected funny with as TJ in thirty thirty two best of today's show in thirty minutes and available through tunes and now on Alexa and Pandora now. J? Every Tuesday morning. Eight twenty eastern seven twenty central. We give you. There. Members of the radio family, hit us up with ideas problems issues, they have and look for all of us to help them. So here is quickly. Today's group therapy this kind of long, but there's a reason why you laugh all the way through it. Probably. Have been going out with this girl for the last month. We are both really into each other and had a discussion about becoming exclusive. She's not rude, but she's not shy about how she feels on things. It's actually a big part of what I love about her. Now as this conversation comes up. She shows me this dating contract. She had her phone and said if I wasn't cool with what was on it. Then we shouldn't even give this thing. Try. She said that doing this contract has saved her a ton of time and potentially awful relationships. Here's some of the main points, and he lists quite a few things here. But you must reveal any psycho ex is dependent children bizarre religious, beliefs STD's, polarizing political stances. All other flirty behavior with with others must stop immediately. That includes commenting on hot girls on Instagram and sliding into DM's must be available for date night. Once a week, barring a special exception on dates we are allowed to glance at our phones only once per hour to make sure there are no emergency calls or texts. We need to touch base daily even a quick text. When fighting there is not the silent treatment all disagreements must be fully discussed, even if we end agreeing to disagree. We need to have safe sex. No less than two times a week unless distant hinders us from doing. So. We agree that presents are mandatory on birthdays, Christmas, Valentine's and major anniversaries. We agreed always have each other's back. Even if that includes disposing of a body, that's probably joke. Any break-up must happen. Face to face, not via text, Email or FaceTime. And then he asked so would you agree to any or all of this? Or does. This just seem weird to you. I'm guessing that she is. Twenties. Maybe thirty. Because the whole contract go to a contract for stuff is something. They started teaching in schools not allow you always go to the anti bullying contract or the virginity contract or behavior contract that kind of thing he's late you sign it. And he's late twenties based on if she's the girl at a couple of pictures on his Facebook page where DMZ she's about that looks to be about the same age. Okay. What are the penalties for breaching said contract? Don't know if there are no penalties for breaching the contract other than making her upset and sign it and just go. Sure. But whatever because she's gonna find reasons to get upset with you either way. If you wanna if you want to keep going, I would say if you don't want to sign this contract and just move on and get somebody else. Because she's always going to be. Finding fault with this. And how is that saved her in other relationships if will really stay in by that if people wanna agree to it? Okay. Whenever mind on the upside does make it pretty clear. Okay. This is what's expected. It's black and white. This is what she expects of you be this person or she doesn't want to date you or that she's going to dump you. Yeah. And you know, one good thing about it is he knows that. She's not dramatic. Yet. Really? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So what do you think SAS are you on his side on this saying that it's weird way saying he's asked he's asking? But if I saw that I would laugh at that person's face and say, thank you next. I would move on. So think about it though, when you say that that's a gender reversal. If a guy went to a woman with a contract and said before I will date, you you have to agree to all of these things in writing. Would that would that be accepted at all? I don't think so I would laugh so hard so one triple eight four one to twenty three eighty five it's one triple eight forty one as TJ or Facebook and Twitter. Responses are split so far actually have some fun with negotiate. Do that just sign this contract? Okay. Well, you make some good points in here. But and then and then actually get an attorney if you've got a friend who's an attorney to actually meet with her council, or whatever just cheese it all up, and then remove some of the things in there and see what she'll will she will bend on. And then to say really is this necessary you've already given up your principles here. Come brush, my hair. Wanna hear the TJ show and stay connected. Funny later today ace and TJ twenty four seven is the show replayed all day through the ACT J app. Sponsored by Papa John's. Download it on I tunes Google play and Amazon more Eysenck TJ neck. Are you ready for everything and nothing all of the same time? Hey, it's Jimmy for my podcast ace at large knew each Thursday at twelve noon through itunes and Google play. Looking for spectacular deals all the spring break in summer travel, Email travel agent, Michelle at travel at ace, TJ dot com and follow as large on Twitter, hashtag as at large looking for more than juice cleaned. Use offers smoothies. Also eagles avocado toast, and so much more all USDA, certified organic, go to clean, juice dot com to find a location near you. It's clean juice. Now, the Asia TJ show persists a group therapy. We gave you the situation that group therapy. Donna going out about a month over month. They talked about being busiv, and she gave him one of these dating contracts showed it to him on her phone. Told him if he wasn't cool with it was on that. Then they shouldn't even bother proceeding any farther saved her ton of time. It's a potential for relationships. It was a whole list of points like all of the flirty behavior with others must stop that includes commenting on hot girls on Instagram and sliding into the EMS we touch base daily presence or mandatory birthdays, Christmas, Valentine's may, drink diversities. You kind of get the idea. So we wanted to his question was would you agree to any all of this? And does it seem weird to you? Well, it all comes down to for me is how how good she looks pretty Masuma. She looks very good if I'm dating or she's she's a she's very attractive. Okay. Well, then I would appease her sign the thing. And then just whatever I thought was silly. I would make fun of later. Yeah. Just get it time. Brandy says it's weird. But I am here for it. This girl is bad. A I say give it a shot signed the contract if it doesn't work out to break up with her in person, of course, because that's one of her demand. I will say that if a guy did this. I think he was a psycho. So maybe that changes my mind. Sure now, listen, ladies, I'm gonna tell you something here in this. Because I love you. And I want you to stop making this social error with people not every relationship issue. Good or bad is connected to fifty shades of grey. Just because someone has something in a relationship. You're there. A lot of women have this ability to turn it all to and make it compare -able to fifty shades of grey, the only thing in this. That's like fifty shades of grey is the fact that there is a contract that is being presented. It's not a contract to say, you're gonna let me beat you, however, many times a week and you're going to enjoy it. And I'm going to tie you up and do all of that stuff. But at that your thing. Yeah. So it was just like fifty shades of cry. That's watching wrestling last night and that girl body slam that other girl thought about fifty shades of grey. Welcome to the. So what do you think I think he should make his own contract for her? Okay. Just responded. Okay. That's great. Here's I'm going to add a few points in such you know. Know, he's you gotta you gotta wear this. Every sunday. This is the tire that kind of thing at some ludicrous or great stuff in there. Whatever you want to write. Right. It's not fair that he doesn't know what he's on it for exactly. But you know, she got all these experts patients, but what about for him? Right. He should put things in there. Like to me, he should say. Don't act like you like football. Do you think when I'm watching football? You don't have to act like you like it. No, high fiving other women or men for that matter girls don't need to high five because it looks weird. Don't don't wrap because you know, girl, rappers are are not as good as guy rappers and. In wrapping is not a feminine thing. See cringing, but it's kind of stuff she's put in there for him. But what if we told the line on? Okay. Let's find out guys. If guys only if you got to make up a contract, give us one thing that you would put in the contract. What would you what would you add in there? I just named off a punch. Yeah. Budget? Budge the no talking clause on certain times to me or anyone else. So, you know, she can't talk Disney. Wyatt time at least once a week. So I don't wanna hear you on the phone and my wife even has the clicking sound on her texts. When she's type and she's got the. Yeah. That would drive me nuts. Yeah. I guess she's pretty so I appears are in so many ways. But if I could have it in in a contract, I wonder how many things would surprise women to find the guys would put in the contract. Like don't pretend you like football. There's one Jonathan just said no Facebook challenges dealing with relationship. Yeah. So guys only real quick just tell us. What's the one thing? You would demand to be included. You would wanna put in a relationship contract. Either. Just that you've thought of are based on your past experience. How many comments are we going to get into before? Some guy says something that just completely takes the fun out of it because he takes too far the over under. I'm going to three. Connected funny with the ACT J show or. Want to save up to seventy five percent on domestic or international airline tickets, then call low cost airlines for prices, so low we can't publish them. Call eight hundred two eight seven forty seven sixteen eight hundred two eight seven forty seven sixteen. Coming up on the ACT J show. Shop chart shot. John shots shots. You really Brooks plies. Yes. We're gonna play a little trivia game in about thirty minutes in honor of pancake day gotta film. This could be a disaster. We'll do it in thirty minutes. You're not gonna wanna miss it. So we ask everybody that we had this group therapy today. The guys at the girl gave him one of those dating contracts that we've all heard about. But you never really know anybody that's involved in anything like that. She was showing them on the phone and said degree to it. So we wanted if we flipped it. What are things guys would put in their dating contract? Okay. Strapping ladies, you're not to like a lot of these answers. Just so, you know. One of the answers. That's come up more than once. Some of the like this. This guy says he would require a clause that requires her to quote, put the damn phone down in quote between dinner and bedtime a break from Pinterest, Instagram, etc. There's nothing worse than looking over at her blank glowing face after I just ask a question. Anonymous, Lucy would say must occasionally flirt or sin flirty Snapchat throughout the week, especially with away on work trips. And that is you know, you may laugh at that or whatever. But that is a serious thing for for men when they do talk about their feelings, or whatever is the fact that they want their life to to still be flirty with them and make them feel like they're desirable. And all of that, that's one of the number one things that if you ask a guy what the biggest problem in his marriage is is that his wife doesn't make him feel it. We don't excessively try to take my attention away from game for anything less than a real emergency. Just because you want attention, not an emergency. Here's a good one. You must get an old man to work on the art of telling stories. Edit all the details and get to just the important parts. Save us all about twenty minutes. Y'all can't see that message. But it came just to me. Oh, okay. If you looking for it. Yeah. That was Lucie that just you. Yeah. All right. Here's the thing that this guy would put in there that I I would disagree with he says relationship contract. Three different men have said this keep your damn hair long. No, guys, like short hair. And again, it just means that he doesn't think you faces pretty enough to handle the short haircut. That's what I like tell them. And then walk it out. All right. We'll see later drive-by. All right. That's not going to be good when they get home. Thank you bring. This guy would put it his contract with his lady only one holiday slash special occasion per year at your family's house. That's a good. How about this one? Now what not for me personally? I like my wife's family. I am not dating your friends. Don't expect me to like them if they suck. Yeah. Yeah. He's allowed to say I think your friends site because she certainly will tell him when his friend sock. If she doesn't like it. Here's a good one. Don't. Okay. Don't tell everybody at a party. How great you are. Because you don't pay attention to looks. That you go for someone who is sweet and funny, and looks aren't that important to you that will make your husband think that you feel like he's ugly and not attractive or desirable. Especially if he over hears it at a party. You didn't even know he was listening. Because he will never let it die. Once that happens killed never let you forget about Jodi. And you'll know a little something about a lot of things coming up doubt trending with Riggins on the T J show. There's one video that's dominating the internet this morning. We'll share it with you in less than ten minutes. And now trending. TJ show in stay connected. Funny on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook, just search for the show more Acer TJ next. There's news. And then there's the important stuff the stuff that's trending. Okay. The top trending video on YouTube. Right now is the new song from Billy Ilitch who was a seventeen year old superstar. Everybody's covering her. You can go check it out on YouTube. The song is called. I wish you were gay. And basically describes her falling in love with the guy. He's not interested for whatever reason. And she saying I wish it wasn't. Because of my looks person. I actually wish that you were. Hey. And he's not interested. Geic too. If I remember correctly the last one that we have a couple of weeks. I thought it was an interesting idea. Like, she seems to be a smart writer songs are well, written and smart. I didn't like that on the song. This what I like. Yeah. Berry a friend is like definitely dark. The land was boring business. Pretty cool. I think it's kind of tricky and fun. She writes, all our music with her brother, which I think is super cool because that was always my dream is to perform in a band with my brothers, which they never allowed me to do. I'm not bitter about it. I'm just pointing out the similarities there is a little bit of a controversy though. Because I think she came out a few years ago, and they tried to hide the fact that her brother they tried to pass it off with this. She was right. If I remember the story correctly that they were trying to pass it off like she was the one writing the songs that everybody found out. It wasn't her brother was hidden that it's her brother who writes the songs, and she doesn't do a whole lot of rioting. Apparently, according to the story, but they still try to promote that she's very in vogue. These really her words, and I think in reality. They're more his words, his ideas than hers t major t. I'll look that up and see how close. Starbucks is releasing a new cloud Machi auto the drink melds together, the classic makihata with cold foam. Starbucks describes it as an airy micro foam frost, cold and blended until smooth creating layers of creamy texture and flavor without the cream. So you get that velvety flavor without actually adding a heavy cream rising the calories it's part of a new collaboration with 'Grande. Yeah. So look look real good. Looks like a lot of bilking. I said long long long long long time ago that she needed to be doing endorsements for Starbucks. Yeah. Remember that? Yes. Her name's 'Grande. Right. I'll have the Arianna. Tall. Please. You would you wouldn't go into a Starbucks? If lifesaving medicine were there, but I have gone when the grocery stores house one of those Starbucks blazes. I have walked by there and just looked at the people in their walk around a little bit not in like, I don't cross over the threshold into that. 'cause they wouldn't allow it. The conservative alarms would start going off. Yeah. They get him. But I do look in there at the people like a common man and see other menu and say that it's dumb. That's fair. Why don't they call a small coffee atoll? That's dumb. You know, those kinds of those out of touch things taller small. I can't get the Starbucks in the grocery stores because I realize if I start drinking my pike place, which is their house split. I am flying through the aisles by the end of my grocery trip like literally almost running and I'm like, you gotta chill out and I had to take ibuprofen. 'cause I get such a headache from so much caffeine. It is strong. Maybe maybe if you get it on the way out. I want the coffee like mardi in there now and just like I want. I'm ready for a coffee, just slam. It just kind of pace yourself. The adult or I could get a smaller one. I was the divinity and they won't even give me a bigger one. I'm like I want the biggest one they won't do it or wait until you get finished with your grocery shop and go somewhere where we're men drink cough. Then let me drink Starbucks. Do they? Of course, they do know. Okay. Masculine men, go to Starbucks. Okay. That. Oh, thanks. All right. Yeah. You made your point today. Go to Jerry Wayne's cafe. Good that. Okay. Today's pancake dates also fat Tuesday. We're going to take some general trivia questions and do some syrup shots. Okay. We'll don't participate that what you want. You just want to not be part of the show right now. Go home Beatty's. We'll do it in less than ten minutes. The TJ show has everything you need to stay connected. Funny dot com. TJ app. Links to all of our podcast social media platforms radio affiliates and charities or of the TJ show next. You're connected funny with your funniest friends. This is the changes show. I Riggins and I've made waffled one time since I moved into my place at sky house. I'm just not a big breakfast guy. But I do love lawful. Yep. And I made him recently and. I use a lot of syrup. I look at the waffler the pancake is strictly vehicle for the syrup. Absolute right. Do do people know that you're but cheeks look like waffles, excuse me, was it didn't you? Didn't you tell that one day on the radio? I certainly didn't own sorry. Rob dump that? But she hit the delay. But don't let that go out over the you know, what that means division. Hitting the but with a bag of nickel. So gross. So I use a lot of syrup, but I thought in honor a pancake day, which is today. It is a top trending topic hashtag pancake date because it is also fat Tuesday, they coincide with one another. I thought let's take some general trivia questions and whoever gets one wrong has to take a shot of syrup. Every time you missed one like a drinking game every time. You miss. Well. I've never tried it trivia, I've never tried to take a shot of syrup. I can't imagine. It would be good a small shot. I will. Okay. Brought did you go by those little pastel colored shot glass? No. I didn't. I ask SAS yesterday. I said that you bring in some shock loss thorough. It's a tablespoon. Not even that's not even a full shot. Like, look tablespoon. Not even that even. To around ace and TJ there's you want. So we have sharp losses of syrupy. The horn. Do you want the green you want the pink stick with this? Okay. So I've got some pop culture trivia questions current. And if you get one wrong, you have to take a shot of, sir. No, not necessarily as we'll start with you which TV show from the nineties, featuring David Coveney and Gillian Anderson was resurrected in two thousand sixteen files, Bing, Bing, Bing, Bing, Bing, got that. Right. Yes. Moving on planet easy. I'm just going in order. Zest which actor made his debut as JAMES BOND in the film casino royale in two thousand six. The most recent JAMES BOND. You don't know. Oh, no. Fest doesn't take the shot. Shut shut shut shut shut. Oh, there it goes. Oh, man. Is it bad? It's just super super sweet. All right. I'll go next you tell you put baking. Which married celebrity couple separated in September twenty sixty. Which celebrity couple separated in September, twenty sixteen b thousands thousands. I have no idea I gonna take the check. The answer. That's disgusting. Oh my God. Is throws seemed like how Brad Pitney Angelina Jolie? Oh god. Yeah. TJ which popular American TV comedy follows the lives of Jay Pritchett and his family. It'd be modern family. Correct. God ace. Okay. Yeah. Alexa, play ace TJ Bandera. Play. The TJ podcast weird connected funny. And it's easier than ever to tell your devices you want the TJ show or of the TJ show next. The TJ show podcast are your way to stay connected funny after the show's over more show, total recall ace and TJ and thirty and cast shows are all available through I tunes and most other podcasts ervices Dow TJ this pancake, and we're playing ace and TJ's syrup shots in honor of pancake day. We are asking the show members. General pop culture trivia questions and with each wrong answer that show member has to take a shot of pure syrup air, and so far Ason TJ have not had to take a shot because they've gotten all their questions. Right. Major plot twists because I thought I was going to kill it and SAS would kill it. I would've hers would not have gotten your question because that was a pretty open ended was your question was tougher the whole what what Hollywood split September twenty sixteen. Okay. It could have been a lot of couples, very Wagner. Extremely so have. It's very. TJ gut the last right answer. So we will pick up where we left off with ace in which city where the 2016 some for summer Olympics held. Oh, God, I should know this. I wanna say Seoul, South Korea and Rio Brazil ace take that syrup shot twenty sixteen point sixteen summer. Oh, Crohn's to is about to take the serve Eric. Eric gnarly, isn't it? Yeah. But it doesn't shoot back. I was. Back like, hey, wait for. Yeah. Oh, poor sass. It is to you for delicious. That might be the most delicious shot I've ever had shot typically like straight to keillor's just pure. Maybe. Crow SAS who is the oldest of the Kardashian sisters. Kim courtney. Oh. I would have gotten that say, I don't keep up. So you know, what a gun. Yeah. Favoring shot. Not wild like. She's little it just takes so long to shoot doesn't. The. Turn who topped the billboard charts with the single love yourself in February twenty six that is Justin Bieber. Correct. Thank you win the gun that love your so. Yeah, I listened CD's way to work. I'm confident you'll get this one the character jar jar Bank. So my first appears in which the Star Wars movie, which movie which Star Wars movie the character jar jar banks, I appear go ahead. Oh my God. No. You're kidding. Did. I get. Yes. How in the hell did you know that? Did you look at this? Not only that today. Look at it. Not. Where would I see it? I don't know. It's on my computer guy that you brought it in. I'm blown away best against that's amazing. All right. A switch leading fashion designer was found dead in his London home in February twenty ten. A February of twenty ten. That's right. I was gonna say for sake that was a Miami. And that was twenty two I don't know. Guys. I don't think one. Alexander McQueen, take that shot. That's so Bs with ally. Phaser mcqueen. Reynolds, lauren. Thanks. The only ones I know Karl Lagerfeld who died and and for Saatchi who died at Miami mansion who would know that nobody. Imported purse Alexander mcqueen's picked out the Queen. He did a lot of couture's lady Gaga stuff. Twenty years ago. He died. Ten years ago. I was like nineteen ten years ago wasn't even fair question. Oh, okay. Oh, yeah. Out of time. Are we? Shame. Yeah. Of course known me. Or the iheartradio app on Android auto and apple carplay. It's never been easier to get connected funny in the car and listen to the ACT J show more as TJ coming up. You'll way to stay connected funny with the more show after the show podcast is to tunes. Alexa, and now nura sponsored by clean, juice. Go to clean Jews dot com for locations now. Desert to lose weight. 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FASHION HAGS

Fashion Hags

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FASHION HAGS

"Right. I'm Abby, I'm Evan. And I'm Katie, and you're listening to the fashion heads, we love to love and love to hate off things fashion. Welcome back ahead. Oh, yes. Got to keep you in Asia. Joan. Energy up tiredness. Dow, jay. I'm happy to like myself in the basement with some friends. To we're overdue. Sorry every day the site will be did it last summer. Choose should happen to summer. How long has it being? Or no. We're one behind where week behind, but we'd also pre recorded a bunch before. So it's been it's been. Consistently been a minute. Well, fall is coming and hopefully, we can, you know, get a shit together. Maybe I don't know. No, I don't know. Well, hopefully won't be leaving town as much right because we'll all be hiding in our homes because it'll be rating pretty much, and I'll be so happy wearing flannel and pants. It's going to be great. It's going to be fashioned heck's. We didn't say that. We're fascin- episode seeks. Six. Time. And what an episode to have a special extra guest special extra guests extra special guests with both at the same time. They both worked at the the toy Welsby specialist ectra- gassed up in here. I'm how an Palais website and your program, and your what about me thing? Yeah. So you away for a little bit. Now, you you coming back with an incredible episode which beaches may may a nothing else. Don't tell fantastic. I heard a Victoria through local speaking group like go at lectures and things for the feminists inclined people in in the world and in Vancouver. And I heard Victoria, do speak a speech speech talk, preparing for your Ted talk. Which is fantastic. We'll plug that Malinche to that'll be up there. You did that in the spring February or March somewhere? Oh, oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah. It's fantastic. Oh, sure. I watched him back when you did it. Yeah. And then I watched it like two days ago is it because you go to see my titties at the end what didn't hurt. Did you have seen it with today's? Okay. She flops tits. Redress and then the dress. Spoiler alert. It's a very awesome tedtalk. We recommend it. Like, I said we will linked to it. And we will people up with all your particular particulars. Dempo life is the first thing you need to know. Yeah. Yeah. It's very powerful. It's much. I say to yourself how good time. Yeah. Where did you come up with name? Well, they saw with bam. How Joe because as in recruitment, and it was like bam pow fucking get a job. He's hauled people. On. It's not tied into. Yeah. This is like, yeah. Just do it. Just you know. No big deal. Yeah. Good rules to live by. Yeah. That's how big down long that was it like. Desert straight. We're live by would you go to catch up on? Yeah. I went on. You went away guys. And you didn't even get burned. Chris by all the thousands of wealth. Fires that are happening. I didn't see a fire, but we also didn't see the sun or any mountains or rivers, beautiful lakes or anything. So which was point of the worst weeks ago on vacation. But we had a really great time. We we'd just on the van conversion van put bend the back put a whole kitchen situation. It's the greatest so it was just me. And my husband is the first time we have been on a vacation, just he and I. Since we got married. The didn't involve like through electoral year in a bath almost. Yeah. Year and a half. Yeah. Tom, we well, we were we started with a wedding, and Whistler, which was a wild event was so fun. And then we basically wanted to adept trip where our diplomats as podcasters will probably hopefully know this, but a dip count is when you you list, all the different places that you can dip into a lake gopher swim in lake ocean. Wherever and its location based as a natural body of water tool zone counts and natural body. Don't count that's not count. Jay's don't a real fancy bathroom in a real fancy house where. Fed. No, no. Point. I mean, if you're desperate for a death. But the other right there, you can also make your own rules for this. So that might work for your dip list. It doesn't work for my. Okay. Good to know. So. Yeah. Very strict. Yeah. It's a hell life kind of list. So. So we wanted to basically up our dip counts. So we we wanted to get like ten so we just, you know, followed the road and where river, whatever. We're like, well, if we want to see stuff, we should go in this direction, and this is really bad in this direction because the whole world is on fire right now. It's getting better now, but it was a really really bad. So we ended up basically traversing the entire province of B C looking for mountains and rivers and lakes and finding some really good ones. But we didn't stay anywhere more than one night. Because it was the smoke is really bad like, well, this is nice. But like, you can't really see. And it's sort of getting worse. Let's keep scheming. Yeah. And we ended up going across like through Yoho is like sort of. No made up third. It's the third of the way up. I think it's actually a Cree word. It sounds made up. But. I made up at some point. So anyway, so we go through so Yoho sort of spits out between like between Lake Louise and. Like, bam fish like in that neighborhood on the rock when you get into Alberto. And by the time, you got there we spent we went up to Taku falls, which is like one of the highest waterfalls in the country. I think it's up slightly went up there. And it was like I think it was a Friday minimum Thursday night in the summer couldn't find a camping spot at one place. Couldn't and the closer you get to the national parks like forget the worst. So we were like, this isn't great great. So we ended up in the smoke was so bad in the point was we're going gonna go to Cal or take Kenmore. And then there's a stretch of road by spray lakes in Kenmore, which is amazing beautiful stretch of road that my husband has been down for work, and it's like peak after majestic mountain peak after majeste just like the most beautiful overseeing. So right. Well, let's do that those initial then you can't see a God damn thing. He can't see the highway. Like, forget it. We're not going to go even farther out of the way to get home to not see anything to then be really far away. And I come back to also see anything. So we ended up going north instead coming up from like going north. Instead, I called my friend Alicia who lives in Jasper tried to get hold of my sister. My mom because I wanted to surprise my mom as like a, hey, guess what? We're here. Kind of thing. We're twenty minutes down the road pretty much, and it's my friend delicious. Like, they're all camping. Everybody's Cathy, go go by them. So she's pumped. So this is great go and find them on the way, and we didn't end up getting there in time to see them at night because they would have gone to bed. There's two kids and my niece and nephew would've gone to bed, and it was getting dark, and so anyway, so we we've found a campsite on the way cut a nice little meal got up in the morning like early in the morning, and then went and met up with my parents didn't tell them they had no idea around a tree, I drove through the campground and I knew. Exactly where they were because we had Cam there before so he drove through the camel, and I my husband like we get up, and we can see them where they have a little teardrop trailer that my dad mentioned when he was on the podcast last time. And they had this whole thing set up, and whatever, and we just ruled on the window and like he's like hasre directions. And I was like, hey, lady which way to jasmine making pay cakes. Like, look, I've gone kitchen. She's like. She's like. Everyone comes out. My dad runs. He thinks someone's been hit by a car. Near there. Now, the kids are running and he's like some of this crazy couples coming in murdered someone in their bed. And I'm like, no, it's just. You from. It was hilarious. And then we had a really nice visit just for the night with my folks and upstart dip count at home. Oh, drian had a proper shower this up so good. And then. And it was great. It was really fun. I mean, it would have been great to have seen more chirp. We went places that I've never been. We went to a couple of places that I had been before. And it was great. It's just like no one can call me by phone is turned off no Instagram gas in the van, you know. No stopping had a big old thing in Bailey's instead of milk for coffee in the morning every day started out, right? This is why I love Canada like being able to dip in England. If I tried to dip and places up dependent lakes with shopping trolleys and use condoms. Those here too. As creek. Yeah. You can avoid them pretty easily. Mazing? Good to now. My life. Yeah. Yeah. It's fun. It's a fun way. To like, I don't know where we're going to go. Let's find a place for dip. It's a good excuse to reason and goal, and you're not just going to wander aimlessly, which has you know, perks. But this going to be something like I dunno in the wool that you don't know about. That's me. I don't like I'm always like because I listened to crime put casts on this probably going to be some dead, buddy. Do you think that it was just me and my weird she likes it? Oh. Harry, Peter, I'm a creep. I'm a bona fide trim crime lover. Sure get on that train. But I'm the the dipping is not like. I'm more concerned. We're talking about creeps and dead bodies. I'm more concerned about like, you know, getting up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom thing that someone's gonna behind him account wait for to go and do a PU because I'm gonna mud. Well, you never know. What's out there? Skill building to the floor. No. When we're. I don't even even the van all those doors. In lock down. Right those. There you go you'd hear that person over. Yeah. We worried about a dedicated murderer who's like on on your post schedule lack was just like in the dark like at. I mean that if if my mind was reading goods way Cameron, I'm not usually that worried about that country stuff is a little bit different. I don't know. I don't it doesn't really have your instincts kick in. Got to be on alert. Yeah. It doesn't feel also ten times for in the van in a tent I dole for sure intense. Yeah. I mean, I go to sleep in tents. I do not get sleeping. -ccomplish sleep cycle. No. Your trip work because we believe it. And I was seeing on the stories on the news about how the whole place is on fire whole world is burning. Oh, we really made the most of it. We really really in the middle of it from California up into Washington and then Vancouver. And then all the way towards it was just like Harbaugh and the worst because this summer that we could but. But boy, the city the city is fucking gross. It was grows in hot and sweaty and weird smokey and discussing if you're on a dip count like we at the time. Yeah. We just inside all the time fucking hot, so gross, and smells and stings hurt my eyes and anyway, so what's new. What's happening with you? Just gotta train. I just got off a train got off just came back from the burbs. I went to stay with my friend Rita and her beautiful family home. It's more of like an estate to be perfectly honest. And just did some work there. I making a gown for an actress for the Toronto from festival exciting. That's coming on them yet. So it's next week. But the fabric I needed was not anywhere in Vancouver. Yeah. Brand of knit. Yeah. That you know, you want that will do the job. I was the one I needed in the particular shade and got had I wanted anywhere. But it was in. Coolum interesting. Borough for Fuxing reclining Abbotsford in there like. Rand piles of shit that they have stayed around. Well, good for tracking down. Uninitiated Abbotsford is like the farm community outside of the outside of your city outside of the suburbs outside of this like beyond. It's like it's that like buffer between like real country living, and then the city, and then like suburbs. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's on that weird cusp interesting will thank God, you so you schlep all the way down, and I was going to go all the way out there on like the train, and then just cut an hour or whatever. Yeah. No, just go there us Rita studio, which is like forty mine, and it's stunning and all the mannequins are there like all the machinery. So it just went there. Redes- say my God damn life. Just would not have would not be an existence. Did you get it done know? No, well, but like it's not read also helped me no further along I was and I would have been if I had shouldn't find that fabric because she went out and looked at the place for me. Yeah. Oh, that's citing a black. No. It's no plaque interesting. I guess what happens when you make things for other people that they might make make something not black. It's like it's a a grants like a hybrid of two gowns that I did last season. Okay. Yeah. I'm excited to see the pictures on the red Cup. And it's a Saturday premier the big premiere the main beater staff so excited. Yeah. And I also just turned twenty six no. Jeremiah, my typewriters still broken. The twenty second of August. Yeah. Then I went to I did a little dip. I went to Lynn canyon. The glacier stream. I don't know. If it's like, a an I'd consider it a stream not more than river where like those the it's like the thirty foot. Drop is with the waterfall and everything can't. What they're that's a magical place. It's really pretty not fully Jeff cats know, exactly it is usually go inland. You gotta go up because it's. You don't go to like the pool where they still do cannonballs off of things even though people like three hundred people have died. They're crashing into the rocks. Cool. And it's also like to me, and it hasn't been raining. So all the water levels low. Oh, yeah. So man. Well, that's the, you know, it's the douchebag way. To the issue. In the bible of the fittest. Maybe I'm next 'cause I can think of that. Oh, you don't even go into natural bodies of what this. Yes. I did one lake. Just. A relaxed the whole go into bodies, Volta gross. Girl, girl, pulled this pair it as chemicals in utilize the pass, there's no fish and plants and fucking gross dirt, soft bottoms sink into and poke you. No on our website care for we would have so hot. Yeah. You don't want to weed through anything. And it was if you have a daughter a doctor is like Primo that's the service Li like lay down like float on the service. I'm not like putting not comfortable. Okay. Okay bites. You feet, right? Yeah. I feel ya. Oh, man. But it was lovely. Has it ever been an encounter with with critters in the water that is like no rise do but like gross plant like? Good. And you don't see coming. That's the thing to don't see coming. Doc, adoptive is the best I only like to swim in like ocean clear like Caribbean. You can see the bottom where there's I sure shirt. Yeah. Mostly. Strong swimmer. Pantene? Hey, what's up with me? Classic. Evan. Oh, nothing new, but they'll be exciting things to share in in the coming weeks jazz. Guess exciting staff. Right. I get those pitchers pitch ause the job. Look Louis to how what the gone looks like, oh, if you get that Reverend. Getting face Audrey Hepburn. There you go. I don't get big. I love and influenced by burn. What's up with you? Speaking of going to see a picture I went and saw the McQueen documentary on Tuesday night, stating there's good word inspiring devastating all the same time. I found it was playing Dave Tolmie was playing here to local theater at one of the like it was over at the park on Camby one of the single screen old-timey mom-and-pop theaters. I love that theater. It's a good one. I'm been in. I don't know at least five or six years integrate theater. But I went and. Didn't have dinner before. And I was like. Have go and figure it I was at nine. So I had something that kids go to bed at seven. I was fucking off after that. And then I what realized that down the street is the really nice ice cream place, and it was Tuesday, and they have a taco Tuesday, they make a taco out of a waffle cone, and they fill it with ice cream way, one place that is what I had for dinner. Rain, shine rain. Name. So they make like a hard shell talk O'Shea out of a waffle cone and then two scoops of peanut butter cream with hot fudge sows. Let's go to many other flavors and they switch him up on this fancy. Wrong and with cream, and that was my dinner, right? Yes. I'm at a very cute dog also Weeden terrier that was very fun to. And then I yeah. Movie Coon to the spoke movie by yourself is amazing. Love it so much donating years. It's so great. And I do I love going to like a big theater because you can buy your ticket at a machine bring around snacks walk into the theater. I don't talk to anybody. The guy who rips the tickets, and he gets a smile or a nod like not even a word. Yeah. You just get a little tip of the hat. When I go calculate. Sit down. So we actually talked somebody to talk to the lady at the counter bought my ticket mind, you I did probably didn't even need to go one minute flush my debit card and just like actually have to saving. Did you you popcorn? No, no fucking ice. Made mistake. It was. So there was no room for that. But it was great. I sat right of the front probably was going to cry. I'm just gonna have some privacy and said the front hang on isn't your net going to be like it wasn't too bad. I was like, okay. Okay. True. True. And there's quite a bit of a buffer between this the front row in the screen. Like, it's not like the big theaters where you're really like you've you're looking behind you. No, it was it was totally fine. And I would I would think if I was going to cry drain which is every single day of ever seen in my life. I cry. There you go. I'm glass case emotion tenderhearted yet. But I would think my lodge like your logic is that you go to the front snowing conceal. My logic would be I would go to the very bad. Everyone's looking so that everyone everyone's looking forward, and when everyone gets up to leave they don't look back towards you. They just leave out you don't you don't have to look at anyone in the in the face that would be we'll see in my my logic is they can't see my face because first of all I'm like super sludge done, right? And then. They can't see me. And then I can't see them. Yeah. It is a personal movie experience. There's nobody in front of me. There was no one in my row. I could here like paper, whatever rappers behind me. But I was it was just me Alexander McQueen. What if someone you friends came and sat in front in the front of you, would you then move in front of them because you have three rows? Yeah. I'd probably move over. At least in my row over comeback. K screening kick them. Sure. Curse them in my mind. Yeah. Absolutely. But the movie was fantastic. It was so wonderful to see on the big screen because his stuff is so intense and the shows themselves are so intense, and there's such a comprehensive experience right being around them. And the, you know, I I've been watching them on my phone or in a magazine on my computer for years, right? So to see them on the big screen was. It was it was very much. Absolutely cried at the end when they talk about his death. And I think it's playing against tonight. Maybe I'll go tonight we're going to showing tonight. I think go, but it was fantastic. So so sad. He's just so amazing. Sure, no other real way just league of his own. Let's the thing there's nobody like him. And even says he didn't want us to continue after he died. But really just think he is his brand. So how would the brand continue every single show is so personal to his brain and his experience and the Spacey inhabits in the universe. Like, it's so so specific to him that he just was it was some interview I think in the in the early two thousands. He was talking about what would happen. Would you want something? What are you starting to work for you in the night in nineteen ninety seventy took over a house for somebody else? And they said would you want somebody to take over your house because he was pretty pretty salvaged by then and only getting bigger all the money he earned from Huma sheet. He just then gave to his own line and beefed it up. And he said, no, I don't think it would. I think would happen. But they're like fuck on Monday. And the lady running it. Now, it was his right hand lady for years and years and years and years and years, the president interview her there was a lot of people who declined to be involved. I imagine right. I was listening to there was a business of fashion interview with the two guys who made it if toys basing it was like one French fan when British anyone maybe a month old. I forget what is something. I think in the title McQueen documentary, but they were just talking about how they you know, it's it happened. He died like eight years ago, but it's still fresh so fresh for so many people. I mean, there's so many people in the movie talking about it. And they're getting super choked up, obviously and still super motionless about it. Because there hasn't been that much time or I don't know if you ever get over stuff like that. Right. So I can understand people not wanting to be involved, but his, you know, his sister was there, and they had a whole bunch of his home videos included in it and an old genie. Becker was in doing a bunch of interviews, and you know, people from prominent companies, and magazines and stuff. All talking about it and him. So the all had such a he was such a weirdo. Such an intense person that he just drive everybody in that, you know, he didn't come off unscathed untouched in some way, positive untouched by your actions with him because he was such a such an intense personality persona, and you know, so anyway, it was great. I recommend it. Good time. Oh my goodness. So Victoria, what's going you? Let's let's say waiting here worse. Do you? Now, we can talk to more general like, what's what's going on just? Oh, I've been walking. And I've been wrapping up my book. I'm just launching sue. Hey, oh, it's coming out September, tenth and. I'm just rereading it for the fifty billion times and still spotting like mine eras. My FOX psych going, Mike. Yeah. So I'm I'm super excited about school fists Fassi. So, you know, it's about me being basically, very go. No, ma'am, essays, or it's like, I is kind of a mix between autobiography this is my life from being homeless seventeen being in an abusive relationship being fed and all that sort of stuff and thinking the reason why always because I have a fat body, and then realizing none. Hunting around to becoming like Tokuichi in right now. And then if anyone is in that spot with all my going to have a fat boy eight body. Clearly, I'm disgusting. I basically say no bitch is we'll get and this is how you can feel better about yourself employee kind of self he to Boettger Fay's bridge. 'rational we read it. And then you fuck you. Maybe. Yeah. So that's what's gonna happen. Fantastic. The point of our podcast here is that we for years being what do we call? It. Would we call her where we called Hollywood Hollywood fashion, non experts? Yes. In Hollywood reporter knows L L gave us the holy reporter knows. Hyphen it. They miss hyphenated us. Yes. So we are not we are non experts the industry insider, but none expert on experts. But anyway, with one of the reasons why we wanted to start this podcast is to make fashion accessible to people who feel left out because Terek, and it's very exclusive by design and exclusion area and just because you don't fit into that world that price point that physical location in the world that level of education. Whatever all this bullshit that all these trappings society is put on it, you still love clothes, and you still wanna look cute. And that is what our gas is trying to do. And I feel like that something that you that your philosophy kind of fits into fuck everything. How do you feel what do you need to do to make yourself feel powerful and positive and move forward in the world? So I thought I know you don't necessarily specifically talk a lot about close in the fashion industry. But I, but it comes up in your. And how how it works, and, you know, wrapping, your brain around your worst, and your looks and how those things are combined but not dependent on each other. And how you feel one way in one thing and feel completely the opposite in something completely different. We're shopping or buying store. Like, I mean, all of it. There's a multi layered event every time. But yeah, it's we all know the fat people only ever one away a movie. So yeah, it's kind of like fat people like glitter like sequence on it too. And so it as a fat posting shopping kind of traumatic because you go to the shopping center, we say mole, the mole and pitch. You ain't buy nothing coming out that will fit like for me. I'm like a small fat. I'm a small medium fat. And that's a technical time. This is like twenty eight twenty. If I go to metro town. Forget us the big myth. There's nothing in there. And so imagine if someone like, okay? So we'll Smith is called me up. And he's like baby you need to come to this comp event with me tomorrow. And I get you dress on it's going to be amazing. There's no way I can go and find a dress like ever. Yeah. So. Yeah. Just be where what about your husband? What about your husband? Jahmai movies? I'm gonna like jazz at the moment. As an all nighter. Abbas her to get some fabric. We'll have Speedo so. Good. Yeah. Your options. Right. So. Yeah, you're absolutely right. It's not an easy. It's not an easy thing for even anyone who's a maybe size ten and up. I'm a fourteen and I find heaven our time, and you were in the majority sixty percent of women also is fourteen and up and the Marconi only KT KT eighteen percent of the market caters full full teen. Plus. Yeah, that's. Yeah. That is and it's like plus size women spend more money the plus size market is growing way mold in the street. So I smoke it like fat people. They've got money in that. I played take it take. Give me been good in return rich bitches, we just want to like. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So there's there's been a kind of a movement in the last few years with people becoming vocal about these disparities in these deficiencies in these voids in the market, but unfortunately, the market's not listening. No, nothing's happening. Yeah. We'll some. So there has been some movement. But it's so super strating it is. Yeah. So when some brands have started making, plus I came out recently J crew expanding into genes apparently thirty seven waste. But when a little times when companies do expensive plus size. It's they don't do it very well because faculties kind of a little bit different from straight size Bonnie's. And so they just like Brigham. On them. Yeah. You need to there's the thing in fashion called a fit model, and that's how they base their sizes. They have like a base size when they build their patterns for all their styles. And usually it's a small like, usually it's the sick Kasich, whatever size small height, five six five seven thirty three inch bust. Maybe thirty four twenty eight waste maybe like it's a it's like, it's pretty dumb their fit standards because it's based on a quote unquote average knows that. Very numbers. It's gonna look good on a model in a photo shoot. What it is. Yeah. But when you move into plus size. They just make that bigger which is not not a human thing human bodies. Yeah. Yeah. Shit. Right. Do and some don't some people have a button, some people have no boobs. Yeah. Yeah. So people carrying their shoulder some people cared in their way, some like wherever see can't like that's how you end up. All the moves. Like, you said on the thing is that a little times when people make close fat people. They're like, oh fat people this ashamed that body, and they definitely want to thin. They don't wanna crop tops. They don't want to pan on my bitch. Gimme that fuck shit. I wanna show of my belly bum hole bay. Short short. Right. And so then the fashion designers. They smoke smoke down to the echo Hynek. All. Yep. Yep. And that's fine. If that's what you won't. But then if that's the only thing that they have to feel like a funk site, you know, like God forbid through trendy. Oh, man. I'll saudis. No. Yeah. So if this anyone listening thinking, maybe I should design for some fat people like, yes. Because we've money so much money. We're like around. Please make some place. So where do you shop where where your go-to? Okay. So I'm British. If you have. List so about to UK by as much close as I can fit into my suitcase MTC, buy clothes and shoes. Everything when the I think is a little bit more fashionable woods in regards to Canadian stall. I think sometimes I don't know. Maybe I'm just British and I just professor show. Anyway, there's there's more fast fast fashion in the UK. And so yeah, the UK online exclusively and that sucks bull. You bust them online reasons? Previously stated right. Who knows you buy something like this amazing? And then even you get on and just like what the fuck is this shit. Yeah. So what brands specifically like if you tell me where because I can't go to fucking top shop again in my life. Okay. So. I actually so I have a membership and in my membership. So I have a list of hundreds of Stolz the do plus size. But some of my favorites. Prim universal stand it and Ella que-. So there will kind of like Kay. I haven't had a primitive heard of the other is Newell one. M P E M E. Okay. It's kinda let me. Yeah. Yeah. So it's like super fashion Fullwood with hopes of color, and it's just like it's made by his close. No more. Close. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So them I go to places they are little bit more pricey. So not not very pricey. But I'd say one address one hundred twenty bucks, but for the cheapest shit s- a sauce curve is really good. I've heard really good things about her. Yes on if you go up to three x cheaper than forever twenty one for cheapest of I didn't know they did. Well. I'll tell you what they just ball in into metro town, the local mole. Yeah. Across my section. And I was reading. Because they were mad at him for for a little bit appear. Right. So you can only buy the clothes online because I don't wanna see the. He's. Playing. Yeah. You can only buy them online like, but. Yeah, right forever. Twenty one section so gross Wisey germs. And they can afford to hundred fifty stores last year. Yeah. Yeah. They've had some bumps in the road. The fuck some guy. What was the story? There was some guy who put his foot in his mouth back. Forget what it was. And there was a story about graffiti guy, revoke the whole graffiti that whole thing. Yeah. And then the the little black kid put in the shirt said something about the. Yeah. All the kid models when you're shooting whatever for your web store, whatever for your promotions. Nobody thought that this just. Tone-deaf you another kid stint in there. I mean, come on some dumb, right. Some people are down and oblivious stomach ignorant and both. Well, maybe if they had hired some as to make some clothes and also sold to close to wouldn't be, you know, tanking stolen. So, you know, come up to them to like, the people who work in the fashion industry. You know, there's. Problematic there too because you look at all these big companies, and there's no diversity. I wonder how many because that was Aigner absolutely affect. Yeah. First of all getting white straight dudes to design clothes for women. Yeah. Right. Work, but there's more to world than that. Yes, you're RT's. We all get it all the brands like Reagan bone and everything in like their sizes are fucking awful like you. Hold up a pair of jeans, and it's just like. From the guitar. It's like what the fuck is. You know, women like tiny teeny tiny. Zones. Six x and just extended it three feet. Yeah. They fit my four year old. Yeah. Yeah. Dislike for someone who's five six. There should be an HR department that make sure that the people who are designing clothes say for fatty is your word. I don't know which words are the right ones is puff at one rate. Yep. They align four fatty it should be designed by someone who fits those clothes. No. I just not having right? I'll see myself. How is why is that so difficult? Why like I feel like the plus size section quote, unquote, plus size section which is what it usually gets called in marketing terms. Just becomes like an offshoot. It's not paid any your mind. Yeah. Like less, so even than kids probably know events kids, but it's a different thing. You're a potato. Yeah. Yeah. The Nicole into our whole. Washable. Someone's gonna wear. But there's obviously a little more to it on on the plus size section of things. So like. It just makes sense like economically. Speaking aside from the, you know, we don't like fatty thing by near your Nydia fine. But like economically speaking, like you're saying, you all have money to spend. Why wouldn't you want that part of your business to be successful blows my mind, we the people who are in charge of these things. I don't like on principle. Just saying fuck the fatty don't want your money. Yes. Yeah. It's like, I don't want it. I'm actively working against that from happening and making myself richer in the process, I would rather be poor and have my or less successful and have my my clothes on a size to then be very successful and inclusionary and end its blows. It's. Decision is keep kept being made again, and again, and again is rampant deeply entrenched phobia. Like, there's a deep deep like you saying he would shoot themselves in the foot. They see wearing. Well, they're literally ignoring you said sixty seven percent of the market. They're just like, no, no crazy that how like phobic people. And remember if you do like Abbott Cumbrian Fitch like a few years ago like we will never we will never make clothes phase because we don't label on their bodies. Yeah. Like what what is? That that takes say that. Like stupid. Hey, fashion sometimes. He's the worst. If really is the word. And the other thing is when do make clothes without he's they will then pick models who have a an hourglass shape and the don't make them shape. Wet makes you oh for sure got the boot. But the waste in the hip, right. And like perpetuating another beauty idea, which is based in reality. One of my friends. She's a model, and she they would always you have to shape and wishes reader. I can't. So she said, okay, I'm not going to shape way anymore. And she was dropped by everyone getting. Yeah. Like this two touch because I will like ooh that you have oh get that shit away. Get rid of that Betty, but. This is like. Loud. But anyway, so she she put this statement. I'm not going to be wearing shape wear anymore, and eventually now she's picking up more stuff again because the businesses who will like fuck. Yeah. That's what we want. We want to see big belly. Like hanging. Yeah. And so she's getting now, she's alone will brands who will, you know? A must feel so much better for her to work for those brands than for the skin-tight thing that looks horrible and is not human. But now the amount of hate that she gets on Instagram and people being like, you should be wearing than spanks with that. We can see all. Everyone like do better. To yourself saying, oh, man, I was listening to your tedtalk, and you talked about how you just try to get rid of all these messages that you were getting all over the place with these fucked up standards and people to look at who just subconsciously and consciously telling you that you were less than and you tried to get rid of that. And I think that is a super powerful thing to do. I I tried to do that since I'm I'm the biggest I've ever been and trying to be cool and accept it and trying to drown out that message or nor completely as much as you can which is difficult will never completely disappear. At least not the next you know in my lifetime. Probably. But like you said, I think that was a very powerful thing to say defined these Instagram accounts, or magazines or movies or ad campaigns. Where you see somebody with a body? That is not the ideal. And you can also I think on that and see beauty in it. You know? And when you don't see it. You can speak do. Yeah. You can speak up a code it. If you don't see that thing, especially if you work in an industry like like fashion where there's actual decisions that are being made within that industry that affect this directly. I mean it happens in every industry, obviously. But with things like this were like, your friend, who's the model who said, no, I'm not going to do this anymore. And people started to listen to that you can do that anyone can do that. You don't have to be fat or taller skinnier. Whatever to say, where's the worst fatty is? Where's the colored people? Whereas the trans people, whereas the whatever we're not seeing that. Yeah. Yeah. Anyone can send brands are starting. You know, the transparency is becoming so important for people and that input from the customer like before like you'd write a letter, and it would disappear into either. Like, you get you get a bee in your bonnet about something. And you're right. A letter to somebody. Complaining about your experience. And how terrible it was. And you'd like get some form letter back anything. Whereas now there, you know, you fucking tweet them. Yeah. Yeah. Everyone sees them tweet you back, and they see you somebody sees you let the thing that you don't you're standing up for the. Yellen. You about something. But actually backing up the people. Yeah, you're not. I'm not going to change your mind because you're an asshole. Yeah. Yeah. And you got your head up your ass. But the other people seeing somebody speak up and giving them the yes. On a private conversation. Yeah. Having out in the open like that as we've seen on multiple fronts is so powerful and it just needs. I think it's it's needs to translate into that that that fat-phobic. It's coming with diversity. It's coming with Q stuff. It's coming with women's stuff is coming with children with poverty levels that part of discrimination and oppression against people of different body types that one needs to be chipped away at a little bit more. There's a lot more room for growth there. And with the fat thing like with the areas that someone could be marginalized people can be a little bit more kind of like, oh, well, it's Bethel. Whereas with people they like. This yourself, right? Shakes on. Guess delicious. Just for the record. Eggs even below. That's not the cause of the problem, but milk are delicious. So not a problem. Oh, man. And you you mentioning about like getting Instagram feed like different images and stuff. One day. I was doing online shopping and the plus section obviously after months of filling my feed with images of different body types, not just about people, but also different types of people. And when I was online shopping, I clicked on the next page and the page went to straight size models and for a moment. My brain was like does not compute. I don't understand what I'm looking at the page. Had stretched all some. I was just like. Oh, my God that is straight size model. But my brain wasn't automatically. That is beauty. It was like that's a different thing. And so now, that's that's awesome. That the brain we've been trained the opposite. Nice to know that all can. Neuropathy suck up our brain plastic. And so. Now when I see fat bodies instead of all the things I used to like. Ooh gold. I think oh, wow. That's so visually stimulate. Yes. That is. And so when I see a campaign or it's just like thin white young women. I'm just like that my. Yeah. Yes. I forget what Brandon was it was some big bro airy even have area up here in Canada American. Yeah. American lingerie where I know a lot of American people. I know love it. They make the best Berle. It's apparently, but they had a bunch of people of a bunch of different sizes and colors in the web store further underwear and it made me like the clothes more. Right. Like, this looks cute. Yeah. This is really pretty found like I paid more attention to the clothing. Yes. When you sit on and yet. Imagine it on your right like say. Yeah. A couple of kids. See said, he lies amazing shit. She looks awesome. And this is a very cute bra. I like the lace here like the way it's underneath the arm holes or whatever like whatever it was. I found myself paying more attention to the actual clothing was because it's so easy. Just to be like this doesn't apply. This doesn't apply. Yeah. Work, and it just you filter it out because it just doesn't apply to you. I just miss. I'm dismissing stuff like that. Like today. For example. We were our we were talking about, you know, reaching out to up around or customer, whatever for a wholesale opportunity, whatever. So we're looking through the website like look at you know, what their brands are who's sharing their? Yep. And it was just like pencil thin white women with like, maybe twenty two twenty three years old with long hair, you know, straight Torah tell you. But it was just that image after after next after next, and I'll say this does not apply to me. Like it got so boring so fast like I just was like I'm done. I get so tired of that. So quick. L lines down when you can't talk about this with representation in film, quite a bit. And that's becoming a big thing now, which is fantastic. If you can't see yourself in the media that you're consuming. You're not going to care about it. You're not. Message going to get the message. You're not gonna want to see hit out or feel about it anything engage with other people about it afterwards or something like you're going to see this ad campaign for whatever is your brain is gonna disregard it, and you're gonna you know. You even know what you're missing. All right. Doing consciously. Right. Yeah. It'd be something that does impact you or you can connect with on some level. Whatever it is. You're gonna tell your friend about it the next day. And then you're gonna have a lot of conversation that enriches your life and interactions with other humans and get home metaphysical stuff here. Now that crazy rich Asians, this new Fianna like, oh, this in awesome thing off come out people, you know, in the Asian community online or like, I literally have never seen anything like I've never seen my someone that looks like me or my family represented ineffective like this in my entire life. Yeah. Hall throat. Yeah. Always the kung FU star will. Yeah. Yeah. And there was all the tons joins on was the last big Hollywood movie that had like. Asian people talking to other Asian people about like Asian people stuff is like the Bechtel test. But really? Yeah. About the best test is like every movie ruined. To my dad, and he's like, well, this doesn't call this. Yes. Yes level. Every thing. I liked. Mm-hmm. The matrix. You can't see it. Sucks pools, and it sucks, but it's also very liberated. Yeah. Yeah. You could just be like, yeah. I don't need it. I'm moving on with my life and concentrating on the things and looking for the things that are meaningful impactful and interesting and different and cool. And you know, and it's cool to like we were talking about images the thing. That's cool. It's sort of a love hate with Instagram because Instagram perpetuates a lot of crap and bullshit consumers them in vanity because it is a like an individual generated thing, it's not like one company controls what everything is being seen. Everyone uploads their own shit and rebranded, and blah, blah, blah, shares these images. So there are lots of ways that you can seek that out. Like, you're saying like, you can find those accounts that are really, you know, inclusive and our fatty feeling IB. Listen, looking amazing wearing different clothes and looking you know, doing shit, and whatever you can there's a ways that you can find that in. That's becoming more in a visual way for for people to see it and experience, and and surround them with it. Yeah. Before there weren't pictures like that you didn't see on the internet. But how do you find like some weird submission lightness? Ray former deep, and then we'd like super creepy with pavonis being like fiend. Can you? Has said that to you like with you. With the foot finish in the AM are fetish like just like having coming together. Let me new business. Oh. Microphone so. On a better care. Although they like it. You don't need to. Then you one as thinking the other one, oh, I've essay. There's a market out there. So K. So we're already like this one here, we we gotta ask you for. The name of your book we've got to plug that again because it's coming out in like two weeks. Our timing is perfect for the. Yeah. Yeah. Face body, and you can buy it on Amazon sweet like a pre sales staff. Nation is available for when someone's going to come out expensive. Okay. No. You can't get presell. You can keep your eyes open just. We'll fall we'll set up your Instagram and stuff too. And you know on my actually my website. I have a link for those who sign up for this link my book on the day of release you get a free copy. But you have to be on the Imola because your website is awesome. And there's lots of programs and mugs, and you know, newsletters and stuff that you got going shit, right and round yourself and your brain in your body with with moment, he wouldn't want. He wouldn't know everyone. Your instagram? Bam pow life. Yes. And it's definitely worth follow very entertaining. Young times. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Let's the stories and shit. And. Yeah, just come follow me. Stick me online. Be creep hope. Yeah. The talk definitely put a link to your Ted talk very very well done. I should say. Yeah. I can't imagine that that was an easy thing to prepare for or secure. I mean, the token the ball of it removing of claves. I mean, the both, you know, getting it like even writing thing like that can do unassisted for eighteen what I know. We remember something. Right. Yeah. I had prepared for it for eighteen months. So there you go. Yes. And the, yeah, I'm a bad dancer. Fuck it. I'm going to embrace being about down when I was. Yeah. I'm just gonna I'm not gonna have any. And you can see it differently. When in the video because I'm just like. Yeah. But what everybody. Right. And does whatever I had had a clothing malfunction, actually because the backstage get my hair markup in. We're having such a fun time with hair makeup lofting and stuff, and they like the next person on like. Like. So I had to like run you have to run down the like the backside of the side of the stage. I had to be miked up, but with my bikini on so I couldn't get dressed. Oh. Mike up, and then I'm like address on an anyway, I did a double nor in the fucking thing a wrap dress on did an accent needed a double. When I was when I was ten take my clothes off say stuck. And I was like. Seem is for a second. I'm just like this. And then it goes stuck on my mic, Pat. My back. I've never wanted to get my clothes ever in front of twenty six hundred people mole like right who? Yeah. Fantastic. Say that moment of terror in my idols, it's realize realize. Yeah. Oh, well, we hit like a the the tiniest fraction of what we could talk about. So we'll probably have to have you back on some point in the future. You can just be my friend as well. Hey. It's the best hang on your friends in the basin. Yeah. That's why we started this. Absolutely. Okay. So we're gonna. Every couple of weeks go off misery complain about stuff that we don't want you guys to hear -clusive and then share some other patriot. We'll put there you go. Yeah. On the bigger. A beer. Obsessions who has to start. I'll start. Everyone has a third of a second. And I jumped at the opportunity mine is real dumb real silly love. I love the podcast retail nightmares. Yes. Guest least Toby sterile just Delile so funny. So we're delight delight. Yes. That's right. It's so funny. I don't think at least remind this obsession their episode with Sophie Buttle, number one fifty eight. There is a burp, right? Yes. I fully like like in the cars. I almost crashed the car getting my husband to listen to it because I was laughing so hard. I'm just gonna play it. I hope you're okay with this. I I you will. Jay Arner is a musical genius. He produces our podcast. And he does all the he's there. Dave this. This is what he is. Yes. Catch up. That's the. Already podcast. My name is Lisa Tobin. I'm here. Here's my cogos. Jessica delile. Really loudly before. But then couldn't do it again. J put the loud burp in here. Like remix it into like a summer idiom. Jan please. Thank you. Votes vogue. Eight minute track. Playing lover jam. Acid. Okay. That'd be was gonna sample that. God featuring burp. Burp and belch. I don't know. How many times I've listened to that was? Was. Two weeks since came out. There you go a thousand. Maybe I wanted to like, I don't know how I almost like I did try this little up years ago about about how to make make your own ringtone full. Sure. I. Deleted the app, and then I can. Like getting in the car and make. I will I love it. So Dave make a ringtone for it and delightful, JR your genius. You're so weird hilarious. Lisa. I just love it. It's the best. Anyway, that is it that is my view on for like three weeks. Fantastic. You come everybody. Oh, well, that's one of the drawbacks of having big break in the recording is because you've got. Kinda you know have obsessions line up. Yeah. Share do tell the one that has been doing that. It's been most pervasive is this Netflix series called dark tourist. Oh my God. Yeah. It's. Both will absolutely fucking relate the crime stuff. Okay. So it's this dude from New Zealand who I just found out yesterday homosexual. So I let me more. Hey, I was to him. Well, actually the spectrum. So who would you like what are you gonna do? Cameron Michaels on drag and I'm like straight up gay, dude. Anyway. Yeah. Queen. Many times in drags. Yes. Many muscles many. Usually my style. But hey, man. Amen lady aimed drag oil when he's like dragging de dragging when he's okay. Okay. Okay. Anyway. Okay. So we'll. I'm just reeling over regulation of. Dark tourist. It's this dude from New Zealand. He travels all around the world to different locations and goes to like the scary spooky like kind of dangerous or places that are misunderstood in the world interested in like a doctor docu series. So the first one I watched was one on Africa. I was like, okay, I'm gonna like this white guy is going to go to Africa gonna see how he handles that. If he does well in Africa, maybe I'll watch one in Mexico and the one they do to in the US US fucked up. Obviously, there's a lot of meat on a lot of meat on that. But he started off and was like very like that one the one in from Africa was was like it was very well done, and we really true to the history of the continent. And he looked like this spectrum from like voodoo ISM and he met with a voodoo two different schools of do. And then move. It onto South Africa to Johannesburg, and like went to the I guess he called them like shantytowns. And then he learned that that's not the proper tell. Yeah. Yeah. It's called the big like the big area of together years. And apparently, they are the townships. Yeah. Thord that's the proper word and went in kind of like demystified, the townships a little bit and like met the people who live there and went on a tour, and then goes to the super free shit in South Africa, which is like all of like, the white people who are from South Africa who think that like there's going to be like an uprising of black people in Africa, and they're gonna murder all the white people like, yeah. And it's it's a little like religious helter skelter bullshit. This is like what are they like called the Friedlander the preps like? These people live under the threat that they think that they could they think as they're speaking that the that uprising could happen. They're prepared every single moment there, so hyped stressed high tense ity level all the time. So. So. Just like like like being very reduction with this. There's just like Justice. T. These Friedlander people their whole doctrine is like it's about this prophecy that someone made after okay? So we're starting off at a prophecy. It's like a sect of Catholocism like off after its own for unique thing. So the cult is what? Yeah. And these people say like it's dependent this guy had a prophecy saying that like one family would lead the people to safety from like this black uprising and we're going down the tracks. Yeah. And he's like, and he's he's in their house in there. Talking strip immensely ground waiting for the black. Remember, they live like this gorgeous mentioned compound, but everything is made to be like taken like all the plants are like in transportable things you can run to like what if we get somewhere, and there's no kale. Oh. Oh. Lettuce and all this shit. Like, they have all these like animals and shit running around. He's like what would you do with animals with animals come in the mom's like, no, I would shoot them. She would rather. I'd rather shoot them than have them leave behind too. Like, they always to let them do whatever they would do to them. Good Lord and the whole time like he's there for like two days and the whole time. He's like who do you mean them them those and then they were like doing? Father during this like this drill of like how they're going to evacuate and they do it like once a week. And what yes, it's fucked up straight up doom station. Right. And he's like, oh who who's coming for you? And like the blacks. After like two days the word that it. Oh, no man is favourite episode. Oh, no. I think the one and you've seen the is. Right. This is the only episode. I haven't seen because they killing animals, and I was like, no. Skip all that. I'm what she end because I really do they kill like a lot of birds. Can they sacrifice a couple doves? And so thing I read like the one where were going to nuclear that one favorite going tone dead zone like in the states or extend and those one where they went to Japan Japan yet interesting, and they had the guy meters and the one in Japan, they went to the forest where people commit suicide. Yeah. Definitely fence. And then they go to the nuclear sites, and then there was one of one more thing that they did sting. But this guy does a good job of like sometimes. I mean, I mean through isn't it? Hey, yeah. But no as chumming interesting who Louis through he's like travel or you need to watch his documentary. Do. Yeah. And he's like a little bit of a jerk. I like that a British man, but like. You know, like gets his yaks innocent. Right. He's like. And then you ask really invasive questions being like on computers. What you mean about like person? Yeah. That is my favorite. So although it gets it painful after a while the E style of interviewing. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Phone. Yeah. Anyway, let's well, you know, highly recommend episodes eight or something. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. Japan the stands one of them is called a casick's. Dell. Pakistan is weird should have. No. Yeah. That one. Careers. He goes to the border of North Korea. A little bit sounds like same more. Yeah. Same. It's very different Leslie mythology and more like real things that human beings have done to one another. Yeah. Cool. Yeah. All right. So good. I try to and the the I like the first fifteen minutes of the one in Africa. Just like twist the knife in your heart. It's just so. It's beautiful dark tourist interesting. The doctors Dr dark tourist dark tourism is a thing apparently like industry around. Looking for weirdos. So does he takes tours? They're already. Takes you were with someone in go stylus. Sure of JFK's assassination. Yeah. Interesting. That's heavy. All right. I'm interested. I think Evan for one of my obsessions which was one day to time oak. Netflix show. What is it about? There was a show in the eighties. Cohen data time and remain at now with a bunch of Cuban-Americans who just went to white people before nuts of Cuban Americans single mom her mom who's played by Rita Moreno. No. Yeah. Talking and then her two kids and their other characters in their life and my husband walked in on me five days in a row, fully crying. It's like schlocky and cheesy and it's like a sick. A live audience and stuff, but it's super heartfelt. It's super genuine. It's funny. Like, I laughed out loud to some. There's literally one time. We're like, I'm fully crying. And then they crack a joke, and I'm also laughing like at the same time. But and there's two season the twelve episodes or something and there before minutes each and all them. Everybody's so great. The acting is awesome. The kids are charming. They talk about real issues about immigration and gay stuff and being kid in generational stuff. And just very very cool. Thank you for that is Netflix. Yeah. Nothing. But my other obsession that I can Katie for is I am not necessarily a true crime person. But I read what you're gonna read I'll be gone in the dark, which is the golden say killer book, let Michelle McNamara. Oh was fantastic. And then listen to a bunch of my favorite murders about that. Because I I love. The the vibe of my favorite murder. I love the host. I think the various retaining. I think the very funny, but it's tanishing her station group at the content. I find I can't do. It's just a lot. It's very heavy. Especially those kids stuff to gets weird. And so I I've listened to maybe three or four episodes. But I've listened to like a much of the ones where they just talked say killer. As holes. Yes. Shows of various pertaining. So good pot holes. And detective basically pull those all together, and he among many many other people because the guy who like made it happen essentially as working out of the most recently in the last for years. And then it went on Wikipedia like rabbit hole about the real killer. And the guy they found because he used to rested a few months ago, and that whole thing. So that's been interesting trying to figure out that thing. And then I also started watching killing eve oh shit. There's one of my right now. And it's always about the numb no say, Sandra. Oh, the Crean Cain actress who's on Grey's anatomy. She's in the UK British show, and she is chasing after a female assassin, and it's like, a real cat and mouse, and they meet each other, and they know each other, but they don't and the things in the keep crossing paths. And of course, this Asan is full psychopath, and she's a super awesome dedicated detective is super smart does the detective. Yeah. And then there's some the girl she's like twenty five or something in the in the in the show, and she's fucking crazy. So great so bad. You'll like the fourth percent recommend that to me. It's. Despite the pull it sort watching. And there was one other thing. There was one of thing that was doing like some weird murders we had on my favorite writer. I'm like fully engulfed in a bunch of like murder shit right now when you told me that you 'cause you're listening to Charles Manson, oh that was the other Charles Manson series. All my God, you must remember I discovered because because it's all about Hollywood staff, and you know, the weird scandalous stories of the last twenty century in Hollywood. But there was one specific series thirteen episodes just about Charles Manson. And all their shit, and then all the Hollywood connections. And all it's about him. What he did? And all his weird Manson family did. But also talk about Roman Polanski, and Sharon Tate, and all these other. You know, what's his name? Dennis Wilson from the beach boys, and how they all fit together and really paint a picture for that time of living in Los Angeles in the late sixties when all this was happening. And it's so well, I took so many long drive podcast through. Yes. And it's super well done. And you know, besides the point all of this content is made by women. Is women made by women created by women. Love it gonna go are things in China's. Yes. Thank god. Just like mentally. The killing on Bravo. But it's also like if you have cable on demand, I've been catching up on episodes on cable. I do I do. I'm one of the few people who has just opened we have all the cable. We have every got everything where TV has we we indulge in the television and the net flicks and the anything, but anyway, you can find a way to watch. It's super well done good. So that's my obsession to you haven't done. Well, I had one. But now I'm now I have to. You remember them? We'll. Yeah. Talking because I love crime shit every night. I fold asleep to crime podcast. I think I am ready to be Mudra or something like police. Offers. Or the? I realized that I am also docked Horace te like every time away. I do something we so recently, I went to LA to shoo a TV thing. And while I was there. What can I do? And I when you go to the death museum of debt. Tell me everything. Yeah. I love this shit. But it was intense basically is just like this place. Floor to ceiling of pitches of like, call crashes, and like shrunken heads and mud scenes, and and it kind of doesn't make sense because it would just like his dead body. And oh, his like something about celebrity, and then just down here is a baby in from outta or whatever it's like Rudy and like extreme anyway. And then the last time I went to see the Winchester mystery house. Do you know about this? And the story is it was Winchester's gun, right? Yeah. The the person who stall at Winchester guns. I guess he died, and then the widow the all the people who died by the gun was coming home to in the house because we had tons of money. And so she made this bananas house. She just felt like twenty is constantly those construction in the house, and so she stays going up to know where and like trap does and also stuff and you can go sit. Anyway with this episode of my emerge. They talk about it. I think there's a few podcasts about this. So crazy. Yeah. Laura episode about that would be so yeah, I think about true crime stuff. You went to the house. Cool. And everything. So my my thing I'm with is the true crime podcast will kill an phila-. Do you know this one I have not? But it's in my I have a ongoing. Favorite one and two comedians, and they took about Christ. But they don't get into the gory. Details your lie that just like, oh, this guy's fucked. Oh doing too. Well. And they just really funny and the other one is we mentioned the the tourist thing and the episode that killing chickens because I'm a smelly vegetarian. My obsession is the an w but you tearing bugah I've heard. Good thing. Africa. I'll try and. And I had. Six book within ten days. If you were vegetarian listening than to try out. Real animal flashes. I was vegetarian for quite a few years. And the in w veggie burger was his number one Goto, I grew up in Jasper Berta, and we had one eight w they did not have the veggie burger on the menu and my. Yeah. Interesting. I think. Meet they like, they when they set up the franchisor like, oh, there's that. Exactly. Unused in the stock. Get one is is there is there any w in the states. Yeah. Yeah. Talking to a an American friend about it because she was thinking about going Fitch Taryn, and she said the Ritz beyond meat book this to this Nomo veggie one foot, and then be on meet one, which is like to know they've run out of them in the schools. Yeah. The whole Pila because they have the monopoly on the supply for Canada. So they built building a diff-. They're building bigger factory. Really the demand is so high and every time I was going going on actually asking the cashier about the bug, and I'm and people have it and they're mad and looking around because you can see the what people eating by the color of whatever. Yeah. Everyone was eating. Oh, I've never tried it. I do try. I will. I will I interviewed does my favorite do like their their teen. Burger. That's my. Fraser sapar. Yeah. The guy could do better fries. Fries. Sometimes they're called in the middle. And that's cute. Yeah. I wanna eat. Thanks. I used to really like the white spot burgers on the ferry their veggie. Burgers are pretty good. Go burger at AIn w the whites but bugger is probably like a six hour. Ten the into bigger is probably a eleven. All right. Well, there you go. I don't like bugs not eight six. So I see go numbers. Don't lie. Staff sacks data. Typic- data. Off the charts. Oh boy. Coming up on an hour and a half or I let's let's wrap it up. We will be on is another day rip wrap wrap it up. Yeah. So much for coming to you toria. After the summer happening. I'm so happy. This actually the timing works out that will let everybody know about the book head of time. There's no, yeah. Yeah. Get your name on the newsletter. Yes. Yes. Yeah. I'm hell life. Yes. What you name if your website is. Yeah. That's all you need to PG. This is great. The book is fear spatting. Yep. September tenth. Yep. On it. Get it. We are in all the places that you find us or on Instagram fashion. Heck's podcast Twitter, passionate pod continue mail us? If you like, you know, want to say something more like you wanna like tell we are like. Cool. We like that stuff. So fashioning said Tim O dot com. Guests dot com for a recap. We'll have all the links to all the things other like, yeah. I don't say that enough. 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The Dress Detective, an interview with Amber Butchart

Dressed: The History of Fashion

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The Dress Detective, an interview with Amber Butchart

"They have you ever wondered, how did the smartest marketers cut through the noise? I'm Bob hitmen chairman and CEO of iheartmedia, and on my new show, math and magic. I'm sitting down with the day's most gift that this ruptures. But when I did this people thought I was crazy there. Really? No other rules, aside from, you know, no full frontal nudity go out there and do it. Don't like to follow the trend of listen. It subscribed to math and magic on apple podcast, iheartradio app or wherever you get your podcasts. Just the history fashion is a production of iheartradio. With over seven billion people in the world, we all have one thing in common every day, the all get dressed, welcome to trust the history of fashion apart cast that explores the who what when why we wear where fashion historians and your hosts Cassidy's actually and April Callaghan. So casts our regular listeners will know that we frequently joke about being dressed detected. That we should get some dress detective hats made, etc. But today we're actually going to chat with a real life, flesh and blood dressed detective. Yes, because unbeknownst to us, our cheeky, little Monica has now officially become an occupation and the UK who knew that studying fashion history, just might earn you eight detective badge. I know. But if you think about it casts, like a really does feel like something that, like Sherlock Holmes might have studied in his all his academic pursuits, and I am such a big fan of the Benedict Cumberbatch series Shirlow tent. I'm not sure if you're familiar with this, but there's actually a fun new Japanese version of Sherlock Holmes stories where both Sherlock and Watson are ladies, so, yeah, for the lady detectives, yes, such as our guest today, because we are joined by British fashion historian, media personality and dressed detective, amber Butchart, who has recently been enlisted by forensic. Investigators in England to assist with the analysis of. Crimes involving clothing, so cool. So her work as a frenzy analyst was recently profiled, and this fascinating article on the guardian, and I for one cannot wait to learn more about her work with the police, and some of the other outside the box -application that she has found for her knowledge of fashion history. Amber, welcome to the show today. Amber, welcome to the podcast say much having me. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, we're super excited to have you and we're gonna jump ship a little bit today, because many many, many of our listeners have asked us since we first lost this show. How do you become fashion historian? And we've actually addressed this question, and our very first fashion history mystery Minnie's owed. But one of the reason why I'm super excited to talk to you today is because there are lots of intriguing avenues that when can explore once one does become a fashion historian. I mean all the places that it can take you and the crime. Lab. Isn't exactly one of the first things that comes to mind. But before we delve into that, can you tell us a little bit about how you first became to study fashion history. And I really love learning about this from friends when they entered the field, and how they entered the field because you have to admit what we do is rather each yet up, slightly 'and, when I was studying when I was at school when I was at university, I had no idea that this really existed as a career, it certainly not something I was told about when I was at school. So it really was sort of stumbled into it in a way I guess I'd always really loved secondhand clients. I always went to shopping booklets from markets from vintage. Does this have been something that was very familiar to me from my whole life, my mumble of clydes entire teashops, as I was growing up say, sort of night, love of old Clayton? It's all things. I think so has underpinned everything of Epson I studied literature degree. I'm was always quite academically mind dates when I was at school when I finished my degree, I was suits, suits flounded over that summit off the graduate as what am I gonna do just really loved reading writing essays? And I realized that my other love had always been old crowds. Go to job on the floor, my favorite show, which was vintage still cool retro. And started walking that might strike. I would read later this vintage books. They had the fashion history that they had done. It wasn't a huge library that, but it was set enough to pique my interest. And I decided to go back to school until he study masters in history, and culture fashion. At London coach fashion by this point, walking's, the by fool the stool, they've, I think they appreciate Said's my geeky interest. And to my lunch breaks reading these books and say, what kind of food as sort of new position in the store walk in quality control walking on of productivity nation, essentially, the Baya, so I was doing quite a little travelling at this point, as well training, the people that will picking the claves Boris doing trend reports and translating those into sort of secondhand clydes sort of secondhand plates. They could sue for that. On trend fashionable. So they will refu- different avenues to the job. I studied food. The most is this was a while ago. Now, it was two thousand full two thousand five unsigned that sort of Rady, married, the academic with the practical work that I was doing out the vintage stole with mice of lifelong passion, full old Clayton's in so that's really how it started off to that. I think the internet like many of this, probably played Haege Poyton it. I started doing my writing online blogging about fashion history. And it was really three that I still working towards getting paid rights commissions, eventually working towards books, but proposals and everything else that has come since. I mean it's really fascinating. How there are so many different paths to come to what we do. You know, some people come through art history in some people come through straight history. But there are a lot of people who come through the costume, design theater. And, and also working in the industry, kind of, like, which is how you came to do this. So there's not just one path. That's what I always tell people definitely. Not definitely. No. And I think now there are more and more cool says that you can do that sort of history design history in coach, dress there, there are more up Sion's now pizza to study this enough democ level, but I mean, obselete -ly, I think when, when I was applying Tina best t- ahead. No idea that, that fashion history is, is is a discipline, really existed. So I think now, sort of academic coaches Sutton Hebrew, but it still something that you could get into through a multitude of rates. That's absolutely. So we're gonna fast for a bit through more than a few of your compliments that. I think I'm gonna come back to later but I'm dying to know pardon the pun how exactly you came to be a crime analyst. This is amazing yet. Will this was a total surprise to me as well? I mean in a career of many twists and turns suddenly has to beta Meja twist. Scientists diaper year ago I was I was doing some promotion food. The, the BBC TV series that I did the ad in the Kayla shake stitch in time. And I was on the radio to king about how, you know, how plates can communicate in various different things to do with. You know why clay is Putin? Why studying the history of dresses, you know is is, is valuable tool restaurant us on the PawSox, such etcetera? On benign to me, the time, AMAN cooed talked to call Harrison was listening to this radio show, and he runs a forensics company elect tie frenzy six, and he'd recently been in discussions with the national crime agency here in the token to them about the sort of ecosystem of the forensics world's now will be see as a heat focus own DNA within, forensics, which has up slightly revolutionized, you know, the our ability to so crimes as we know from the multitude of sort of media TV put cost about true crime of centrum DNA, but then we'll say, concerned that with this really important tool, we need to forget about the power of stuff as evidence of using things with thinking about various different experts that they had on the national crime agency database and the only other person. They had that had any kind of expertise in play the infection was a Taylor. He would be listed in the nineteenth century something is basically something they haven't given any food, two for really long time. So he hooked me to about a scene what we can learn from closing communication, etc. In just kind of it. Timed really puffy with what they've been discussing. So he contacted me sent me of really nice Email was like, is this something you'd be interested in kind of undecided? This may be not you usual line of work things, and I was just kind of floating away by. I sent it to members of my family. I discussed it with my boyfriend. I was kind of I am I felt feeling critically unto qualified to be working in this area. My boyfriend's actually was he was just like Nick. It's just the same as everything else. You do research. You be off to look into something you can apply only to have go away with. Surge. They're not going to be looking few t you know, come up with answers on the spot. Oh. Will be fine. So I was like, let's give this guy. Crikey. That's really how it came about. And really no one was surprised than me to start working in this area, but am really enjoying it. So much such an interesting unusual application of the work. We will do. Been really fascinating that it does that she take me back to my days is vintage clothing via because a lot of this stuff that I do on this cat and I'm now involved in training as well. So I'm trait. Csi crime scene. Investigators she sort of raise awareness provide more understanding of how clothing can be used as evidence how can give clues within crime scenes at all the things that I took about with things we at a similar sort of details to the details. I was training of vintage Pickus to lick full. So, you know, things like that. Look, the fastenings look at the fabrication, the labels, like all of this information. So it's going right back to my earliest days working with material culture of dress. I guess, but we've been in piney different purpose. So it's really fascinating this, this actually kind of reminds me of, of this story. I'm not sure if you're familiar with the milliner lily dash. Oh, yeah, Ridgely, French. But she is mainly known as an American milliner. And there's a fascinating story about how this lily dash. Hat actually helped Adelphi a woman who had committed suicide. So she had checked into a hotel in New York City under a pseudonym under a false name, but they when they found her hat they were actually able to take it back to the company and by the number or something in the hat. They were actually able to find out who she was. So there's a history of this. It's incredible that's been traffic to find out more about that. I'm really hungry at the moment. Anything I can get my hands on today with clothing crime forensic being king, a bit by Email with Allison Matthews, David based run tone, Lord research exit Clayton crime where hoping to meet up at some point this year to, to sort of talk about what we doing being efficient historian as I'm sure is the same fee guys part of your job is to disseminate information, but a huge part of the job in a, you know, big reason I keep. Doing as because it's constantly learning. Jess given me a whole new area to start investigating in. It's tying together loads of my previous interests as well. I've always been quite interested in the sort of material culture of death. Moaning dress things that I love visiting cemeteries so older. These things sort of being tied together in this work that I'm doing to call Harrison is a forensic hawk eulogised. I've been doing some shoot Koos in Kiana g is well at local Oculus trust. It's just keeping me. These Haege new areas to kind of go explore and investigate in see how I can Kupreska into what I'm doing so it's just it's, it's really fascinating. And that's also one of the things that I really love is that there's so much on our field as wide open and the respect that there's so much work to be done that you can kind of, like get in there and figure out like whatever your particular angle is, it's not to over. Crowded yet, that, that there is the latitude to do that, which is a mazing. Yeah. Absolutely up slightly is definitely a flourishing discipline. You know, there's way mole academic options, studying fashioned history, desma museum, tunes gallery options. But you'll completely right? I think we were really we're in a golden age in a way age way. The discipline is still ting to mature starting to osc sort of difficult questions of itself as well, because the discipline rooted in a brunch about histories, traditionally was very concerned with elite lives and Sutton set, kind of narrative, I guess, and that's being really challenged questioned by people, you know, at all of the discipline, looking at ideas around close and dress, everyday experience, questioning decoded nizing the discipline, the scientists stuff happening at the moment. Absolutely. So can you. Please. Tell us about your very first case. Yes. So the first case I did I actually did by photographs. They sent me photos from the crime scene. What happens now is that I go into the lab, I you know, opium really. It's always better looking at the actual objects in real life if possible as opposed to fight for us. But first one, I did, I did looked faked growths, and I to I had a conversation with call before I pinned the fight to grow, because a Haege PO of this new work can huge of the preparation, I have to defer. It is really getting myself Reggie preparing myself in a way to work with imagery with facts that I never thought I would come into close contact with all you have to have to look at basically. So I called him when I said might be a K, what are these photos of? I not seen anything like this fool. What's gonna be right? So the first few cases, I worked on Rutley me kind of feeling my way around, what I was comfortable with what I was able psychologically to do in many ways. And he kind of said go Tim, so sorry I forget that other people like. Area will time you get very desensitized in wave. Not that sort of undermines the importance of the work that saying done, but you know, if you walking in a an industry where you have to discuss appointment death. Sexual crimes this horrendous stuff. You have to develop a tolerance to it. The way you've protecting herself is actually exactly. So he told me three what was going to be in the pitches. And I said, okay, fine. I was completely fine looking at the the pitches. The governments in this case was. Monotonous truck seats. I'm Eddie deaths. Trainers sneakers and say, this was kind of food to his first case in a way because swear is so easy to date. It's has the chew month year of manufacture in the label. Now United if he died, I won't numbers too little butts if he do then you like what actually I can tell you what, month and year, this was made, so may being able to provide that information to look at these images t- rights reports around the images around, you know, how you can date sportswear meant that they were actually able to eliminate some of the missing people that they had, you know, own a this to people that they would potentially scribe. I've been to the remains that have been found. Wow. Yeah. So as fast as fast cases go, it was pretty. It was made me feel. Much more confident in the actually, I can bring something TV's, and it cannot be helpful animal study for me kind of thinking you know I am equipped to be able to deal with this. I cannot deal with this line of work, and I just have to tread, my way through it, literally on a case by case basis, and sort of see see what happens in Siebert guys. So you say this was your first case, how many have you worked on now, in is there, another one that you would like to share with us has been, particularly interesting or maybe even satisfying? So I think I've worked about five six cases now. And I'm also starting to do some of the training as well from his training, which hoping to develop an expand bit as well, another case that I've worked on the actually involved much older play in a woman, I think in seventies had died. And her adult children. Clearing out her Heym and a drool and found the body of a baby. Oh, wow. Yes, quite upsetting case to be honest. I mean all upsetting. But this one, particularly, I think it said Sonny sense to the body had been wrapped in a number of plates. And so it was those clouds that I was Bruton to look at see if we estimate, how known the body had been full now the cloud from from material coat to perspective. The clothing was quite interesting. That was a bullet, bro. The I could kind of immediately recognizes having come from the late fifties or any sixties, and that was a polyester heavy polyesters sixties blouse and also homemade skirts. So that was quite a note sort of go on here to sort of investigate. A lot of the Clayton's had been the peds the various points where they had suddenly being careful the bar it so luckily still had the label in it and was still legible. So I was able to go away research broad company, such some that at the ties and trying to narrow down the date even further and it's animates like that, I think things underwear the, the history of underway underpins so much of the history of fashion is in, you know, sort of European American dress, where it's changing silhouette that race, dictates that USA fashion history in, in many ways, so that again, sort of really tied in lots of elements of my previous research, lots of elements of my previous interests. And again with this entirely different really fascinating application. So it was a completely. Different case completely different type of case about still incredibly fascinating. Yeah. I mean, I'm and I would imagine that pudding that your specialist knowledge to work for Justice is immensely satisfying, right. 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Investigators that's when I really suddenly felt, how much of a different world says, I'm yeast to king in universities, it, you know, all see diversities in museums and galleries in media, and suddenly to sort of walk to it was the sorry. The head of Surrey police conducts training. I suddenly felt the best time in a really time in my adult life, I felt very ASA place. I felt like I felt really conspicuous in what I was wearing. Fouts. The it was may be undermining credibility, which is interesting because I spent of my professional career railing against that idea that will you wear and having an interest in dress should undermine your credibility. But I had these kind of sensations is like oh, God. I shouldn't have would tub in this big. But as we still to the training Anez when own actually just had a brilliant time. We went with some of the other people conducting the training who worked in this industry, for really don't time in complete experts in the fields on I kind of thought that they would think that a didn't think they would really have much respect what I was doing. I've had must've posters in Costa singer. Why am I why they brought me in? Hey, what can I possibly share that will benefit any of these people doing incredibly important work? But we had a fantastic time we had a little fun. The CSI will really quite interested in what I was discussing. You know, when I was talking about this, like, David Clayton communicates in one of the training sessions, Dade we go to some really interesting. Discussions around knowingly how clothing has been invoked in cases, in the post, but will say people's eyeing will drives getting people about the decisions that they make every moaning when they getting dressed all they wearing if wearing a uniform that, so see one sort of professional reason food, choosing a wedding. But if no, you know, checking labels thinking about wearing one guy told me about this some like nineteen fifties Hawaiian show, but he has the oldest friends law fat when he wears it, but he really, really loves it. So that was, you know, there's always commonality when you're talking about clothing knots, while I find really fascinating. And that's why I think it's such an improved to read of understanding, the poss is because we will still get dressed, even people who own interested in fashion as system people people made fashion magazines, I rarely meet fashion magazines to be honest as a child growing up. I was no-interest in fashion as a system of. Was old claves. And when I continued to is the stories that oak lades can tell us in there is this commonality across time across place with these decisions that we might king clouds that were wearing where we're able to get them from. He made them of these, we still have in common. Not an and that's, that's one of the things we say, the very beginning of every single episode of the podcast is that the everyday there's one thing that we all have in common practically every human on, on the planet, get stressed everyday. And that's something that binds us all together. Exactly, exactly. And so, I think people, you know, people hit your affection historian. They assume you, you know. The there is still these discussions of, you know, see fishy outta t get onto around with fashion and even fashion history as discipline still does suffer from having kind of reputation unfounded, reputation from other. Coins of historical research historic discussion at times on set me found the various projects. I've tried to get off the grounds I still have resistance to note of the time, people still thinking you know, why will people want to hear about that. It's just crates and say it really is that commonality that I think is important. I mean, I feel like I've definitely many, many times had to defend kind of like my interest or maybe maybe I felt like I had to defend my interest. But, like, I think once you start really talking to somebody about how this all links back to, you know, politics technology economics capitalism. And that's that's, that's the hook like in those those is go from this kind of like confused, glazed overlook that I used to get like ten years ago, when I told people that I was fashion historian to now, fast to, now, I think because of the popularity of. Museum, exhibitions people are starting to actually know a little bit more about what it is that we do, you know, so many people saw the Alexander McQueen show are maybe they've seen the new protocol Osho that's been travelling at the Vienna. And now it's at the Brooklyn museum in York, but people are kind of recognizing lay people, I would say are just the public is starting to become aware of fashion history as actual profession. Have you noticed this also you're the Huntley definitely and from when I did my masters what she knew his time ago. Now, I started at fifteen years guy, even in the world of academia, that was very you know, not if the classes was sort of begun with this discussion of like of how much life as a discipline. It woes even within why'd design history within wide history, let alone within wider history it so then within wider academia, and that wasn't even that much. I condemn it work. That was being done at that time in sight to say how much grain especially Wade sort of public facing outputs museums galleries things that this is just is really fantastic. And I think there is definitely a growing understanding that, you know, we can lend some important and interesting things from the day. Yeah. Am I would say, in terms of like public facing things your own work has certainly played a part in this because aside from your work as a dress detective, you have worn more than a few hats, as a fascist rent and some very much in a traditional sense, you're an educator, you teach at the London college of fashion. Will you tell us a little bit about the classes that you teach shoe? So I an associate netra inclusive fashion, which is where I did my musters will lazy guy I actually fest to teaching undergraduates when I was doing the most degree. Something. I've been doing. I'm too in various degrees, kind of ever since so London fashion. Tixx very cultural studies based approach to study dress on the body. You'll with teaching with the academic wing the historical coach Russo. These departments of a design school, essentially said, we're trying to get the students to contextualize what do in. With the Ritz fashion journalism, whether it's fashion design whatever that studying, which to get them t sort of think about it, and conceptualize around what they're doing. Epson is definite really strong coach will studies approach of theory looking at the boaty, while in how dress relates to the body, how the body as represented one of these kinds of areas you'll say tra- university, the creativity outs at the moment of design school. When I run teaching research own fashion. Medium promotion degree side, that is really is very different pedagogical approach, I'm teaching the students research scales, weather can be researching trying to teach them the value of research and on students looking to become fashion, photographers will maybe stylists or maybe journalists. And so it's about trying. To get them to underpin. What with research way, the brew coaching historical and sort of understanding that they can bring in t-, whatever it is doing, whether it's creating imagery, whether it's creating text. So these sort of T main nine teaching that I do, but I do notice visiting lectures at various universities around the ks what varies museums and galleries on quite lucky in that I get to travel quite a bit at the minutes of talking about things I really love talking about sites gauge, and you're also an author, which is actually how we first came to be in conversation about you. Joining us on the show, you had just had a new book come out and, and I, I'm not mistaken Issur, this book that just came out fourth or fifth yet my fifth, but yes, and I emailed, you and I was like, hey, do you wanna come on the show and talk about your book, and then you mentioned your work that you're doing? On forensics with the police, and that kind of got the ball rolling on a slightly different path. But you tell us a little bit about your books, and I just wanna say I am so thrilled that you included an image of Elizabeth Hawes in one of your books, which she's one of my all time favorites, and we've actually already done in entire podcast on her. So if you guys want to go back and listen to that, if you haven't pleased tune in she's one of my all time favorites I love her. I think she's great. I think there's a rail is enough, that's being written about her. I think it's a story that deserves telling more more more, I think, but, yes, the books that I've done have largely been sort of semantic, I guess, rather than taking any sort of criminal Jekyll. Historical one of my honest books was north coach seek, which I think, is the one that had Elizabeth hose pitcher vents. That was actually a bone in my Mazdas research for my dissertation. My master's, a mid Victorian, swimwear on the influence of the knife uniform own swimwear design, I was looking alot. Fiqh Torian iconography. I was looking at empire in house stories about empire which hold hiring through the body of. Through women's bodies sexually Silas bodies looking at the sexualization of the Salen, lots of different areas. The notable the sea and a wardrobe something that has always interested me. I grew up in a seaside town. I live in a seaside town again now and I've always been fascinated with the British seaside is such a particular idiosyncratic phenomenon. The clothes that we wear the seaside place that are inspired by the seas really long signing interest of mine. So it was amazing to be able to turn into a book, full Thames and Hudson's. We say it was hugely expanded from the very focused research. I'd done various difference figures. Professions satiated with the say from the Salem to the officer the spokesman in even even had a chapter on the pirates which was really? Looking at various gaughman that have evolved from life, C, three two trends, having salted by C to looking at sort of how we Mathon giants these figures, and how that translates into fashion, lots of different areas to account was great, Rex cooled, the fashioned film, after that, the octopus publishing group nicking, which films have influenced fashion. They such Leo came out of some academic research, initially, I today, visiting research fellowship at the university, the London, a couple of years after I finished, my mousters where I spend some time researching in the mountains all five on the Vienna. Archive and the BFI looking specifically at how Hollywood costume impacted London fashion in the nineteen fifties because often story of been nineteen thirties in the, you know, the rise of Hollywood soft in talked about Paris, fast. It's Hollywood, and I wanted to look at how London really fitted into so, again, that was the kind of Genesis, the book was brewed to the looked at various different genres of costume within those generous than how those films have gone on to influence, fashion designers will street trends, etc. Etc. I have to say, I think that my favorite little bit. Of that book is how you tie in the movie Tron, and eventually tight back to Alexander McQueen amazing. I'm pricing that Seifi chapter loved it. I was kinda my favorite Chuck to do. I really didn't before that. I wasn't you know, I would not describe myself necessarily as a sci-fi fan. I grew up watching old Hollywood films with kind of like this'll be an interesting chapter today. But, you know it's. Absolutely loved it. The into sections between actual science scientific discovery and fiction and film and fashion was just a just couldn't get enough of a, I've really enjoyed it really, really enjoyed it after that I writes food, the British library, they basically wanted something he they wanted to publish some of that enormous collection of fashion plates, later hasn't been published the fullest like to spend some time maybe the Costa the years of looking through various things in their lives. Vaccinate dream job really lovely. And the latest one the it's the fashion chronicles style stories of history's best dressed, and the concept of it was to essentially cheese, one hundred of the best dressed people in history. So I quite liked this idea. The, the concept was actually my, my literary agent. So I did. I just really like the idea of taking really popular trait and a trait that is often also used to kind of pick women against each other, right? Best-dressed. Yes. Yet who is the best dressed and then kind of town on its head. Actually use it as a way of communicating the importance of clothing throughout history. So that's what does. So it is kind of five thousand as it just five thousand years. Pointing out. Yes, so I mean very much for kind of sort of general Rita because it has been credibly brewed timespan covers later different continents. But the idea was to, again, just kind of try to get people to have a greater awareness of the fact that plaguing has always been important throughout history. This is not sending it safe official. This is something that kings and queens, and political despots political activists and protesters have used as a tool throughout history. And I'm an ultimately sometimes weapon even. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. So it was kind of my second manifesto for dress history. In a way by choosing one hundred people and talking about that kind of subtle real stories, as a way of, of eliminating the past three claiming. Do you have a particular? Favorite? Some of my favorites in the book. The least expected people say, I've got some kind of fashion history. Well known within fashion histories, disciplined, people unite people like by Brummel, Amelia bloomer marie-antoinette, people like that. But my favorites to include people like call mocks the people just I didn't expect to see really on a best dressed list. As brilliant. Essay monks kite, but pizza sunny broths that I took about in the entry on komax about how what he wore actually affected what he writes. Hey to. He was researching nuns researching the British Museum, and he was often as many people in this sort of eighteen sixties in Victorian, London, wouldn't to do he would often pull in his plaything pull his family's Clayton. As a means of 'em. I think especially limit about a banking system in Clayton. This idea that you could keep the value of your clothing temporarily until you money from swearing, and you could buy clothing back and psycho mocks was sort of involved in this kind of system of exchange. But when he pulled his vacate, he didn't have the veneer of respectability he needed to into British Museum to do his research writing desk. Caputo he'll say talks about textiles clay. Leading Fulop throughout the whole of capitalist really intrinsic to he's writes about because it seven rings to the industrial revolution. And you know, in ceiling sort of industrial capitalism that comes from that. So it was still reason that we're actually my favorites rather than the sort of glamorous big hits. But yeah definitely my favorites. Hey, it's Cassidy and April. And we excited to tell you that we have partnered with fabrics, Kate Hudson fashioned focused active wear brand with a mission to empower women by making healthy active lifestyles, acceptable to everyone thinks it's exceptional price point in right now is offering dress listeners to leggings for only twenty four dollars when you head over to stop com for slash dressed and become a VIP member. That's a ninety nine dollars value and includes our personal favorite leggings highway, sted power, hold with styles cater to every activity from yoga to running. You just cannot go wrong. 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And what was your experience in translating fashion history onto the screen a stitch in time came about I had been pitching days to the BBC for railing on time? I'm very keen, obviously as we will on the idea that dress history is a great way of understanding the post this Cup analogy that we talked about. It's visual medium as well. I think his ripe full TV. I've been involved in various different foods of media throughout my career. Anyway. Even outside of dress history for a long time. I was Hoffa. DJ GO it looks weekly radio shows in Burien different missing pieces at night. So it's kind of a way something that I've done something I being quite comfortable with doing so I've been pitching various different days to the BBC, I had done radio documentary to portray digital committee from wrecks to riches which looked at the rise of into Clayton's, the minimal Selecta playable ramifications of cost of slipped to the charity shop system that we have here in the Kane. How actually has an label implications? I'm rather than you know, it's not just a national thing you know, these things global systems, say. I had on the radio documentary, and I was actually doing some filming for completely different fading with the BBC. They was showing the vast side drama. Hey, titan if you guys have this in the sites is a studio production. Yeah. Louis. Yes. So when they showed that, hey, they did what I think is really brilliant idea of having a sort of five ten minutes section at the end of the show, cooled inside fest signs. I won't actually had to historians hit based in the UK. Greg genuine Kate Williams and they would discuss the episode. We just seeing and trying to unpick the historical fact, from the fiction, which I just think is brilliant. I think move historic dramas should do that. Should have a bit off towards people of debate will in his real dramatize, etc. I just think it's a brilliant in methodologically, for public history of great anyway. In each episode. They would have a different historian own, he specialized in particular area. And so I filmed one of these with them about fashion, the cool to Louis team, which is a brilliant area, t discuss really, you know, sort of rich area, full fashion, history fashion, sin impacts today in many ways, in terms of, you know. Louis the Fouteen putting so much effort into creating from as this sort of center of fashion, and an economic force really exactly economic political political forces. You know, we still think Paris is the center of fashion. Loudly Sogeti to him. It was. So it was while filming that I'm section full insight best side that the production company who is the BBC basically said, this is really interesting. Great. Would you be interested in expanding they into a series? And I said, yes, been trying to do something. That would be great. I'm so I kind of set she came up with the full mount over stitching time, which was the I choose wack about for each episode, and then the absolute genius historical Taylor Ninian mikailah on had team would recreate the clothing that scene in the in the pool traits. So we haven't element of history. We have these social history. We have the actual remaking kind of experimental angle to it own this kind of combined at the end. I to try on the Clayton. Which is something that is, so rare for us as fashion historians. You know, as you know, like when, when we work with museum objects. Absolutely. There is no trying of things on. So that has to be a delight. Actually tights late yet. I mean, I'm using hymns in snows, definitely a little bit funny about trying on the outs of that. So it was just an up sleet dream come tree to be able to. We'll can these steps. Look, I know, say in a way sort of go to cross this, this sort of phenomenology of dress without easing that kind of time and on Jay, but, you know, the idea that something we talk about impeaching fashion. Is that the way that Claes feed on the way that Clayton's interact with body the way they make us stand will the way they affect physicality is something that should be about an has, you can get into kinds of lines of philosophy in when you thinking about it in that respect. And so the element there as well in me get into describe how I felt when I was wearing these clothing, you know, since clothing, whether it was many Vilma or whether it was Moran. Hits Chamisa rain. You know, just having the feeling of will in these footsteps was just unite map Sydney incredible. And if our listeners are not in the UK, how can they find a stitch in time is actually streaming own acorn TV at the moment in the states, but will say and he didn't hit us for me. You can find the ho- series on UT. Which spice to be BBC production. Honestly, have no idea. He put it up. But is if you wanna find, I think there, many listeners that are about to run in not walk to YouTube to check that out. And I know another project that you've worked on is, is has already aired, but I do want to mention that you were, of course, on the great British sewing be. Can you tell us just a little bit about that as well show? I've been invoked the great British citing in series, t you and we just had savings fine own now. The great British during the is essentially to sewing equivalent. Oh, Beico, which believe listeners in the states. Jess and people are huge fans including my boyfriend. He's like obsessed with it. The disarming the is essentially the. Yeah. Sewing equipment of Bakos. So it's all I'm going to. So is. But who really fantastic to? So is they have a series of competitions guy, three weeks week and series of intimations to find the best kind of amateur Sowa in the country. An H episodes. They have a sort of snow fashion history section looking at the, the, the post looking at the history of whatever they're trying to make that week in so that, of course, is the area to I've been in both wave this season. I was kind of the resident historian. So I was kind of Krista across the series and they bring in various other experts, as well people. He specialize in people from particular brands that are being discussed people who specialize in particular areas. So there's always kind of to voice as in each of the fashion history sections, but it won't be really great about this show is that we all see more and more people, making Narran crates at the, my will have kind of going through this for nice owns which is which crate, because it's more ecologically sound of cool than this sort of systems of fashion. That we are will say embroiled in the moment. And so this really celebrates that has loads really, really loyal viewers really loyal audience who watch because they love the show. But also because they love making what they see on the show. She's great. I have to say one of the things I find especially fascinating about what you're doing right now is, is how you are kind of, like working in a very traditional manner as an educator an author as a fascist Ryan. But you're also taking all your knowledge and applying it in all these other various ways. I think it's incredible. And I think that really is probably the future of our field. What we're doing. Do you have any thoughts about where we're headed? What Frank you very much? That's very nice. I think you guys rule say doing. I mean, you doing the same thing in poke cost is brilliant, has a huge following of fantastic subjects, every time he as you guys will Wolfe's, you'll researches educators. I agree. There is a lot of what I love about being of fashion historian, is that that's will Mason an umbrella term for. The cooler and I say this, I've recently needed, I'm visiting the investi Brighton. Hey, where they have brilliant history of design program. Brilliant history fashion program. And I was actually the first time I was asked often my tool by load of students. How do we get into media? How do we get into media? That's what we really interested in and I suddenly thought gold, I'm giving this really wilt view of how easy it is. So now no, you're in there. Slogging it out for a good ten years before you get there. Exactly. And I was like, please don't think is easy to get these things under way. The everyone projects, the I get green lit goes ahead. I've had like ten twenty rejections will what is having good pasta during boo that haven't been commissioned. So really don't think is easy, an easy at rate to get into media. I said, is let you have to always bring it back to research? That's essentially what we all do all researches, and then he can choose, which outputs you feel comfortable with which platforms e feel comfortable with where whether it's things like you know. Instagram. The Cassidy siphoned tastic will people in the hey, we have takes trust in who is just a Instagram will whether it's. Writing blogs, whether it's writing brew cheat swimmers writing books, whether it's TV, whether it's poke coughs, whether it's YouTube, we have so many different platforms available now but you have to have your search the cool you have to have that shit in that interest. And that enquiring inquisitiveness that is essential. He generate the information that we do then you can pick your platform. So it's almost like the, you know, the time fashion historian is likely some relative for all of these different things that you can do whether it's public speaking, whether it's media, whether it's writing for solving crimes, so been crimes. Yeah, whether it's academic research with the United Philly academic outputs, but you always the core of it is the research for the rule of it. And that's what we will love that keeps us going. Is that love of learning love discovering more about the post tumbling down the rabbit hole, as we all say? Yeah. So Amer we are actually about out of time. I want to say thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much for joining us, this is really been delight and I cannot wait to see what you do next. Thanks. I much same with you guys. Keep up the fantastic work and hike speech youngin seen. Yep. We would love to have you back. Next time you wanna talk about a new project lovely. Thanks so much, not too. Everything you so much for joining us that was really fascinating. And also, so inspiring to hear about some of the ways fashion history is currently being applied outside the classroom use or design studios. Cooling is of course inextricably tied to identity. So it makes perfect sense that the police would find the specialist knowledge of fashion, starring invaluable. Yeah. And frankly, I'm kind of shocked that no one had thought of this sooner and I'm crossing my fingers that maybe will open up an entirely new career path for people working on our field. So on that wishful thinking, I think that we will sign off for the week and say, may you consider what the closed your closet say about your identity next time you get dressed. Remember, please join us for Thursday, many sewed fashion history mystery where we answer, you our listeners questions. And if you'd like to spend a question you can emails at dressed it. 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Charlotte Mensah | The Undisputed Queen of Good Hair

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Charlotte Mensah | The Undisputed Queen of Good Hair

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It's the ultimate guide on how to identify and understand your hair texture. After your hair, how to overcome hale t scalp, as well as how to perfect styles such as corn rows, locks, and Bundu. Nuts. It really is long overdue and I can tell you it's a brilliant brilliant read. So some informative. If you're listening to this podcast, then you'll know I am fascinated by stories of success especially where there was no blueprint office path to achieve it unraveling Charlotte's incredible career story is especially captivating for this reason because she's honest about the challenges and also reflects on how being in a visual creative industry pre social media actually encouraged originality, and then they wasn't so much comparison. But what really struck me about my conversation with saw that was how positive and uplifting she is something she says, during the cost really resonated with me and I actually haven't been able to shake it since it was about how no journeys ever easy just to learn to enjoy the tough bits and appreciate them as much as the good parts. I can totally totally understand why Charlotte silence thought of. So warmly, why shouldn't is thought say warmly, by anyone he was ever visited at an anyone who has ever met her own as. I have had nothing but good things about Charlotte in my years in beauty and you will hear in this conversation she's incredibly warm nurturing and generous. The Link to Charlotte book good hair, which really is phenomenal. Her product line in everything that we discuss will be in the show notes, which can be found wherever it is that you are listening to streaming this. But I am so honored to welcome Charlotte Mentzer onto the emigrant. So that medicine, it's so wonderful to have you ever gotten. Shire and I've had many. Much out you over the years and the opportunity to actually sit down with you and get to hear about your career because we can get. So caught up. Overnight successes and suddenly discovering me but around for a long time, but I think when I? Think about you and I think about your career. When I think about your success, I really think about hard work I. Think about someone he's ready grafted. Yeah, it has seen a very, very long journey. I was born in the UK. And at the age of three months I left to live with my grandparents in a crime Ghana. The reason being my parents just movie in the sixties and they I was fast child that they had in the UK and it was just very difficult for them to look off to me and still be able to. A. Advised advised by other family family members that would be. Much easier for them if I wince, GONNA lift grandparent's. I was in Ghana from the age of three months to eleven and my grandparents were these two. Wonderful. That would just amazed my grandmother was superior for wonder woman she could do everything. So she did I hand she soda clothes she cooked the food. She was quite a leader in the community as well because she was a deacon less so she was like. One of the fans, ladies of the Church. So. Of. People really respected her and she had this way of. Sharing the word of God so she would sort of. Get up at the crack of dawn and just sort of walk around the whole area just spread in. An encouraging people to love one another and and be kind to each of an aside to have some sort of spiritual connection and she really believed in God said that was a way of Sheridan Evangelism and bringing people together and my grandma was this man he was. Incredible He. He wanted brewery so they made with the Best Guinness. Star a Komo it was cool data and he was. A very respected man who has big business will he? He Co it with his friend and they? You know he would bring me alone to the meeting so He. He just I duNno, you had this really. I don't know it was a bit like. Bill for. Not when I arrived in Ghana because they said I came in this most boskin would he was like who is Taya Cheese? You know it was like a celebrity tighten up in this. Three months. And they were very Yeah. There were just an amazing grandparents because. Grandmother had eight children and all. Children had kids. So those close to over forty of US living in this house it was a very busy house. Yeah it was a really busy busy house. I'd tell me something Charlotte. When was the first time? You Epochs Guinness? How would we? Must have been about five years. Old God never liked. I never liked the bitter taste of it but in Ghana is such a popular drink like everywhere in Ghana there's a big sign same Guinness the Power Guinness is good for you. What? Your. So. Yes. So that that was a great place to be and just being around them nothing they actually instilled in me. Especially, my granddad because he will take me to these. Business like board meetings and I think no even knowing that five. Probably instilled in me the building blocks of business. and. Yes so added great time. I had a great time. I was really good at school east to take me to the banks and I used to really admire the the women that went in the bank. I love how they look I love the the leadership and. I love the way that we're independent and I I really like that when I joined my mom at the age of eleven. Ways in my mind always had this thing that I'm going to do something in finance on extra ever had. Unfortunately at the age of thirteen, my mother passed away. I'm sorry. Yes. So my younger sister was three years old at the time and I just became like the mother to my sister saw side hair and. He's looking magazines and felt like you know whenever I did. They felt like mom was around say was like Nice. Really Yeah it was a great time not even great but it just like it didn't feel aside Made US move closer as well. I, mean. Say. The. Junior? High was in October Love Very Matanal. Yes. Yes and and I think because I had memories of my mom do my own hand my sister saying it was like a Yeah, it was like a ritual to to do a hair and say it was a bit of like therapy for us 'cause we talk about. How Much Mr? How Yeah how yeah it was. It was like a bill for therapy. And then at the age of sixteen, I mean it was quite dramatic because from then I had to move around a lot. So I lived with of different aunties and uncles and eventually saw changed schools quite low as well. So I ended up in north London in the Secondary. School and then I did like. I, did all right. I would say didn't do as well. I. Think I was. Say Much. Brighter. But they naturally. At Baseball. I think I know what you mean because I n academically smart but I think I'm dumb. I think I'm quite I wasn't I was academic academically, very smart because. Always busted my close I did well, I was disgusted masks in English by the trauma of having that. That tragedy happened that sites he really kind of. Yeah just confused me a lot and became more creative like contemn soon. 'cause out constantly do my sister's hey, became like neum. The one that creates offices came round at the age of sixteen. I, just naturally. Chose to. Go, into hairdressing. And options back. Then because I we had like I was very good I chose the kind of creative subject. So my GPS's I did things like needlework I did. Home Economics. I did. Actually they would work as well thousands. Chose the creative maybe because I found joy when not did those subjects and then the the light but in English which I like to say and history I love I didn't I don't know for some reason I felt more happier when not did the move creative Biden subjects who's working with your hands teeth thing. What can if my hands and also you see results so you see results there in dense if you will. Baking a cake. For instance, within food two minutes. You'll see the cake bates and you're happy with it and your life tastes good and it so. Yes. So I actually kind of was mu happier during those subjects. and Luckily go into the first African silent opening the UK splinters. Yeah and that was a Mutt Street. Medic Street. So. I'd never been to the West end before. So you can imagine like tidying-up Pimm of. This Oxford Circus Station will conduct region street and to this amazing solemn that look like a five star hotel and they had. So. Many people from like. I, mean when I'm saying the celebrities like Diana Ross Kids. Would News readers who? Really big role models that people that. On TV will you'd see newspapers in here you are like. Standing behind the chair like a for a magazine oil it yeah it was it was a great place to be. Because it was a youth training scheme also attended London College of fashion. So that one how yeah. Will. Years with with eight to six, nine, thousand, eight, hundred, six, what a brand I with an. Iranian time mean we're not about London. There was all of these. Really Amazing. Was Warehouse that was such a good source and they had jeff banks as the creative designer of Yeah I. mean they had so much stuff. Top shot was amazing like whenever I got my tapes I run down to talk show. By You that was like so cool and then you had shops like Kensington market those so many. Really Cool. Places in London was. A. Really Cool. She shot die like who dad's Oh. Yeah. Yeah. So there was some really. Amazing and even like the SORTA people that were at some. London collegial fashion where Stella McCartney. Alexander McQueen. There was like, yeah I mean they were there at the same time as me. The one, my friends who anything I remember them being. Yes, it was really good time. It's funny. Isn't it as often time? You can look back on in lots of different industries, but in the DT industry especially, I feel like. People come up and they'll say, Oh, I was at college at the same time and the other people. Who've done great things like you say like Alexander Green and Stella McCartney, there's some every now again, that seems to be these waves of magic that some Lima may have that Sir impactful. Yeah, I. think that was such a historic time for London achieved because a lot of the people that. Like even now, all of the people speak to the doing really well at from that time. United Light. Yeah. It's it's incredible how? That was like a gem does like these diamonds that came through? In, that period from around eight to six to the ninety s it was just some really really amazing talents and if you had to say what it is about, those people that have meant that they've stood the test of time is there anything about that era? Or about the approach to beg careers that you think. Explains why people and you have done so well, not that that particular group. I think I think we really would like. We didn't have an all the social media to compare ourselves to save. You had you had to dream you had to you had to really push yourself at a felt like A. We we had like. A move kind of was the words us. Unite like when you were just you don't have anything. So you try your best to to really make it will work and. That men like we read move because we had all these amazing libraries we we. I think we paid more attention. Paid more attention we weren't so like famed these days kids are very quick to use to suggest gave up. They'll be like all along when a do this oh? Doesn't work off the two weeks given up, but we just kept trying try and we we will ritual we will original because like I said, you didn't have. You didn't have a social media to look at someone's can copy and paste that you just had to create your own. So it made you push hard I made you really dream. Bega. And we had a little patience. We had much more patients. Kits our they have. No patience they in a hurry want everything to be really quick and we were we were willing to go through the process. I mean I I, remember like having to shampoo have like maybe seven months of just shampooing head like genius Musalo. Now off the two weeks I want to be the stylist they think the new. So. Yes as very. It was very different times and I've been there was just. Often, life was easier as well to be fed. It was just move. It was more for balance. It was more balanced. Now there's so much. Chaos is just I feel sorry for kids sexually now. Or chaotic out there and He's very confused and everything that's going on so I guess that doesn't help. Remember Gauging Stadium Careless Talk. Really. Did I think he was on my fest gas? I we guests and he said that. When he thinks about his early years in the Salon, he just thinks about his hands leading at night. When he got home, he spent every day four hours months at the backwash. It's so true. It's so true because I, like I said, you go into A. In my days in the eighties in was all about Kelly pence. Was the pads. and honestly, it was like if there was forty clients a day, they'll be fourteen utilizes. So you'll hands were tied into like prunes. But the thing is you couldn't complain because where would you go to? The wasn't light lots of choices where you could just free Lonzo just go on instagram you ten fluids. So you become a stylus overnight you had to stick it through I. Mean there were people that so like it wasn't for them and they left. The fee for the I, need stock through with it and now do incredible things. So I felt like we had moved patients were moved Brown Davis will. Will move grounded because we went so like. I feel like everyone things very important now. And they haven't even done anything but I think they're important. You like what have you done when when you actually They they like You know they got like. Fifty comments on a thousand lights and because of that they very important. Very successful, but it's it's it's rainy side. It, side that a as the kind of well will living in them. You said something I don't take but I also want to go back to something. Years at these. You said, we had dreams and I very much believe in dreams and if you dream it, then he compulsively make APP because if you kind of know what it looks like then you'll know if you're on your way towards it. So. With regard to your dreams specifically because let's possible with this. BET before we go back right now you have one of the one of the biggest names in bt you've been inducted into the woods fame if one fruit headdress at the eighth three times, you have this incredible solemn, which is known as the hub of excellence, the head excellence humanity, and being a pretty nice states be. Was that the dream when did the dream begin to crystallize into the change form throughout the years? I always like United love the love the atmosphere loved the community because it reminded me of being in Ghana and my grandmother my Granddad that love you know that Sherry and people would come in and they were great role models out always to be sequencing. To be like that one day, I always would look at them admire them and just think that could be me. But I still didn't think would happen I think for me. It all changed when I had my son. So I had my son quite young. I had my son at twenty three. And by then not finished my training. WAS NOT. Genius silence and I I want say I want to live to be like really different from my mom had eight kids and she she's struggled a law and she died really young I wanted to be different. Now you know I went to drive car when to by my own house. So so I think being in splinters and seeing those great role models. Fm something in me that missing you can do this. You can achieve it does identify thinking about business united site thinking about what would look like if I had marlins salad would I like it to be? That's why coded Hair Lounge because I wanted that space where we can. We can share feel safe and really encourage one another because I think as women. Were so good when we were together in groups and we share and we we we advise each other and we mental each other and we actually encourage one not and just give each other on the bat. So I started thinking about it when I had out, I'll wet from host. So even though I did my three or four days in the southern. I would still be in my house maybe two days just to go to my own clientele say it was a bit like a freelance. And then a query would get to the point where I had so many clients now needed to find a space. So I thought to buying. Rents and a chain, a European solemn that just opened. Bannon road put spell road and not. What not start then see how on. Then from day just grew and grew angry and then. Open Martinez Business before I was twenty nine. So. In between that I had heard a lot about the prince's trust that was a good organization on Portobello road. Cool. The PORTABELLA Business Center saw government. Like once a week and they would put to you about the different charities and what they can do to help us thought you're in business. So when it spikes me about Prince's Strauss, it just seemed right because you had to be under thirty and they were really could a. Happy to launch in Your Business. They gave good advice like. I mean I had the mandatory. That was amazing. She was an accountant. So she really knew how to you know how everything should be intensive the finance. Anthem. Yeah. To meet once a week and. We Really. Really. Know that in terms of putting a business plan together, I was given the Grahn N. alone and. business in June nineteen, ninety nine. Exciting and That's not necessarily I. mean that isn't something that is available to people. Is it things like those men touring services and the grants and the help radius much much harder? Isn't he's it's much harder. It's much harder but I'm now Paul's ambassadors in Prince's trust the now I mental, the young. People coming through so I think there are some really good organizations out there and you just need to look for the models have my charity which are named after my mom, love. Not. Been Soi. Dot Com, it's on. Some Really good I mean kind of began with that in Ghana. WAY OUT HELP LIKE Young girls especially because some of them were as young as fifteen, they've got two kids. That just you know there's no way they're gonNA make it in life so I would teach them by Henson skills and then from there they've gone on open a business I've had been in London by Sallow at lots of goals coming from all over. And Age someday, training with me and now they've gone on to. Open you know they might not open but they're on their way to sign your own businesses with his free Lonzo sessions silent in. Yeah. I WanNa talk about retired a bit more detail. Like student wants to go back. The time splinters this'll earlier part of your career because for international listeners may have visited central. London when we talk about West, Charlotte worked, it's within a look around the corner. Hickory Zach casts a big huge billboards as you say. The Hind you and Regent Street is WanNa be most popular recognized streets in the world. So really really really are in the thick of it and I'm curious about what it was like translating natural talent for hair. into. Doing sister to then working with clients because you said something really interesting about. The ability you have to read people being a therapist because. Right, at the very beginning I, feel about your story with has thoughts love. It's no shock to me whenever I speak someone who's been in your chat. He says, you just feel like she she has. and I wonder how you're able to. Translate that Oh. How this came to be the every single client he sits in your chest of me becomes. I didn't always like. Is it a little sister thing again? Yeah A. Natural inside of me because I took over mom's role at such a young age at thirteen became like a mother to my sister. And for me. You know has a very personal thing. So you meet someone and within fifteen seconds, you'll touch them. So he's very passable and it's like you a touch crown, which is like you know to me's very spiritual in a sense that you kinda laden handsome them on their head. You'll. You'll consulting having their hair we'll talk to them. People can be quite wonderful when it comes to their head because it. Is quite traumatic. If you head goes wrong, it can really just take away your confidence so. To me it's about letting positive, feel really safe and send you find if our shared love with if I fight saw would love that is easier for you to open up and tell me what exactly you want because. Until I know that I would know what to do with your head says reading reports in that. For me it's more like A. Move Realistic Approach. So it's not it's not just about A. It's not just about. The end result, which is a nice style but will sign need to know about who you are what you like what you don't like. That would really help with what the end result could light because I know that maybe you can the corporate world so you cannot have like pink hats. You might say it's really an also people come in there because they just want to relax. Just WanNa feel they wanna feel confident about themselves and? It really helps when the person that student ahead is relax and ambience down into the music we listen to down to. If. In my team, how they speak to people how they look united the whole vibe of the places is really important because. It is such a big part of all of us unite because people seed is your face and your hair and and you know if if if. Would come in sometimes. They'll be so download the wouldn't even look at your face happy head down on the floor. As soon as you've done their head, we've had this amazing chat and they happy they changed it to something else they walk out there like if the cat will come while you. You might say some. Yeah, it's incredible to. Really. For me is important that. Everybody comes into space his relax, and while receive an unhappy nice experience because it's more than just ahead cup. Choosing to, go see. because. How many salons that many salons but oh, choose people come from Brazil Nigeria of. Know people come from all over the world and why would they choose to come to you because there's something that you do for them that nobody else can be and I don't think he's just the talent skinhead, but it's your your personality the. Besides I mean Klein state they all so A. Know some of them would even say to me like, Oh, you need us I love that they feel like they're parts of it united if you if you made a good profit, any Bala Canoe. Foss and had me flowers who listen new tissue box they notice everything and they'll be like, oh, I, really love that I love in something new because I feel like that's dead space and they feel like a part of that whole Hogue Charlotte Mint survived you know they have. When they come in, they just love the yeah. Even data people people if even made friends day, and if there's literally going to bates together. We. Yeah. It's very, very very. It's very different soloists. Allen's people say to me like, Wow, I've never been saddled like this and I'm talking about clients coming from America. From. Malaysian from Peres like this is so different. His to me it's like I said it's more than just ahead come on I'm going to ask you then. I think it can be quite challenging. Sometimes I know I've had bad accounts in the air and over the years and my energy in the salon. As I leaving it's definitely readable and is definitely stormy. Shall we say I? Am I am definitely not happy how a style owner a you able to. Control. The Not saying about bad hag got some talking about. If someone comes amid bad energy right tentacle ten but I need to be. Douglas. Handful defy how do you do you know what? I mean like He can be the constant. You always go people coming in and out again Olympic fascinated by back because I think therapists, headdresses do it. So brilliant may where they meet someone they can just do something that takes somebody from being aggravated annoyed distress and they can calm them down. So quickly fight magic. Yeah I you just have to always you know like finding that balance of. What is it that sometimes we will have carrying stuff with us. It might not be anything to do with the head, but maybe you just didn't you know like you just have to find a way of. Had why calm the situation down it might be a way of Maybe, you know we always offer like a Nice Cup of coffee in you know piece, of K, can just just united just sit down with them because I mean you have clients that will come and tell you a lot of stoves and other stuff that's going on their own personal life and they probably lost the job loss, the family member there's always something going on with every would he and I think it's just Being able to reach out and just said, we're looking at something go wrong today. How can I help? How can I help to fix this because? It's always gonNA. Be that one client who is just not? I mean, we've had people coming where you're like, you know what? This is not the place for you like a couple of weeks though I had a client that will tim and she had this must've suitcase and it was full gallons, towels, brushes, combs. Not, so you know what is this? She even had the scissors and she said, well, I'll to use modern stuff and I'm like well, we do that because. I don't I don't know where you've stuff is being in. Might you know we've sterilize everything and if you feed them this way, you really shouldn't be coming out. You should stay at home because you know you're not ready to come out. And she was like Oh. No, you'll sell them tonight. I'm not unkind Boston listen. It's like going so restaurant and you bring in the table The tablecloth ingredients. And she was in at general, we're not going to be able to do your head because you can see from the start that it wasn't GonNa go well, and she saw an sheets that she hasn. She's not really ready to be amongst anyone. Another thing is the right space, but I had to quickly diffuse it by the saints will we cannot do your head. It's about being able to. To quickly just. The. Way of letting them know. But in a very diplomatic way, not aggressively, not not knowing. Just. Just a diplomatic people because at the end, the day's business slung. You know it's not like a support group which is. Yeah Let's talk about offer that because like you said, splinters steadfast was the first yet it was like I'm sure there was other silos, but that was the very very no. that. Was the most professional like it was opened in nineteen, seventy, one and. Yet. It was like the one that everybody respected everyone loved convinces Selena was world renown said people came from all over the world to this one. Salam. Specializing in offer had did you did not feel? By. Did. It feel like it was something that. happened. In the quiet because you walk down. Had dressing billboards with big blowout somewhat happy. Africa wasn't getting need any attention to. Now. I've been for for a long long time. It was this European ideal for Afro had looked like. And we intend like just abused ahead. Had Australia Tim the you know we didn't really respect having. and. I felt like splinters was a place where everybody looked like me they had had like me and I wanted to know all the wonderful things you could do with this head. So that was light. The most interest in place to be because people came in those days it was more about the chemical, Sarah so we have not securely plans lots of chemical chemically straightened hair. Lots of Coleraine just using. To to actually change the texture. And it was incredible because to be honest everyone that came in May had really lovely. Hey, was it great? It was the tragedy was to have this highly straight blown out long show shaved. Every kind of trend in this one place and I think. Being there is for is to all that you could do what Afro head. stylists were going for competitions and they were winning. They will do a big. International and will go a long not a lot of some. Of Brands came from. America's Ooh the big brands like docking, lovely PCP, optima that would all coming from the US and do a big show and not the show you got to learn so much about. The different techniques and skills in tips and tricks. It was incredible and I I actually land so much but you're right. That wasn't like. A lot of like. There was a few there wasn't a lot of images that showed you. How this black beauty was it was always like someone that was very fair skinned who had really long had which you know if you have shohei just like well, I could look that good said than you intense appeasing Yo. Hey. Look. This way is interesting. You say that because he talk about would. To black hair an offer hair with. Pain ideas on the straightening services pretend chemical straightening in I was reading current reading Mariah Carey's. Vogel. and. There's a whole section about her head. She's mixed. Like sisters and it wasn't come up today with Obviously. The about time she spends on the book. You can tell good made have feel a certain way and how own tease went to chemically straightened. She describes the heat in the business. And then the spending sensation than how aunties pudding has a shoulder say not for you baby the chemicals are too strong for your hat because they didn't understand that and it. Yeah. I mean, even me when I when I got back from gone at age of eleven in Ghana we'll show has said shorts his head was like two inches because. The rules at the school is like everybody whether your ago boy you will. Have you had short. So when I got to the UK mom then wanted to grow it for me. So she saw Friday and I remember getting bullied Oh my God I have these threaded hairstyles and everybody is still used for me like own Michael Canadian you do in the state of you but could you believe that? You know twenty seven years later. Will. Should I even say not even twenty seven years it was actually two years ago I did Erica us. Hey, for a British. The British. Fresh in the woods and now did exactly the same threat. It has stars and it went viral everybody's now. Me Oh. Wow. It's amazing. But back, then nobody you'd be lost at people look at you like you're like. United. Yeah. It was just crazy. It was you respected people just. Would just yet dismiss you just wasn't is like a primitive hand like that. So not true ahead was never celebrates. It was a waste why political like evidence sentence faces you wouldn't even get a job. Yeah you wouldn't get job was natural here. It started strikes me as well as though you'll one of these people who Correct me if I'm wrong but he Fully I'm guessing you thought it was really on for people to make your hair because it was in a threaded style and because it wasn't European king and then he probably I'm guessing encountered similar feelings doing he'll create it. It seems to me like instead of focusing on the negative, you tend to ten your vision towards. The positive and we'll how we're GONNA wipe calmness and I'm just going to make this heavy and I don't care what you think. Yes and that's why that's how I got to create all those stars for my British Frederickson collection always wanted to show that black beauty I wanted to show our headed. It's ruled state I never want to to manipulate the head t much sobbed specifically choose girls at dusk game with natural head and just stalled that Natura had whether it be threaded graded. Just. The afros but just leave in the head and it's not true. State really celebrates submit because there was the so many textures the incredible you've go kinky go quickly you've got wavy even some from head the has can be quite strikes in certain parts. So it's Important to like you said not focused on the negative, but use it as like a motivation to we show people that he can wait you hand natural and I was very fortunate a as far back as two thousand five. I've got to write a column for like hand magazines and it was called natural fix. So not true fix. I'll take the model from the before image what they like instagram where you see the before off the and all kinds of show that sticks I took to achieve the final look. And we had so many different that will come in. They will love a no thought wearing their had not true. They'll begin the Johnny digital, the chemical straightening and. Right now, the midnight so hockey that they begun that journey served. Yeah of always been an advocate for yet. Unless celebrate our head even if you are going to use extensions Use it but the the key thing is caring for head the health of your head. So important. It's vital that you hey, itself looks good and it's healthy because we can all put things on. But what good is it? If you just put extensions on your own hair is just Destroyed from student too many things to it. So it's Yes. Always being a positive for me to celebrate. And really love our God, given textures. And I think that's what I found. So fascinating about the book could has because I've written about bt for very long time and I'm guilty of having spent time magazines. I haven't what A. Great Variation head text to be honest I also didn't have have pages or anything like that. But when I look back, I think. I'm really ignorant about that I conquer myself but BBC editor at by actually known to learn only wasting a about the different categories had that. Oils in the cows miss full safety and. That you outlined that in the book and I think Steve stupidly might see. Reading Mazda can understand really being able to feel the distress she felt the thought does now book by someone with your experience than the explains to you what your hair is what it can do you can call it yet. Yes I think it's it's really important because. The actual head textures is like a a good blueprint of like figuring out what you'll kill typists and say how to look after it and what products use. So it goes from one to four. So one being straight and to be wavy three beam currently and full being kinky. So I am a tight foresee which is in the in the in every category. Grievous. Three subcategories it goes from ABC's I'm Footsie, which is the most most black people have foresee head, which is. The most Afro hand is road states doesn't actually have a call patent medicine even have cal. So for you to actually create a call, you need to play to yourself by the twice twisted or braided roads rollers. That's the only way looking. At the same time, even though that head tends to look really strong. Is the most fragile or the head types so braves very easy. So. This had type is wear most when I say most is like. Eighty percent black people have his head type is the most difficult in not difficult, but it's it's life you know what to do and the right products us it's not difficult. A lot of people do not know. So then they abuse that any breaks and then it's like. I can only wear a week, but if they had the rights. Take some traits. Information and what to do daily and weekly and monthly. It wouldn't have like food problems. And you actually lose. So let's not forget this part of your incredible career Reggie going into product development as well, and that was no easy feat. Is it right that it six years to develop the products yes? Yes. This law ingredients as because It took me six years because I was very, very, very a abdomen that it had to be the best luxurious product on the market for for cutty head I mean, I'd I'd want to so many brands so many big brands so many products obviously when Selah News about over twenty thirty products, but I always felt like that wasn't yeah the wasn't. A product that aesthetically beautiful and performed well, not for the head because kinds would often complain to me always to greasy or with not enough. It's just drying my head I don't like the smell I don't Many different problems that they had with the products and I just thought you know will wouldn't it be good to have one daughter not does it will that looks good and also performed well, actually made a difference to the head. Off began researching and obviously. Gone on knew a lot about. Shia butter because share about the finest the best. Ever shaved butter comes from Ghana. It's full of vitamin E. is very moisturizing conditioning. But by the time, go into actually. Producing the puts. To his everywhere within toilet roll it was. A lost. It lost. It lost exclusivity didn't have that. would you cool it? It just became like A. You know that respect everywhere and they would. Just. Didn't have that exclusiveness anymore. I'm Lucky I. got this amazing opportunity. I was doing a wedding in a starring Ghezzi. During my mic, my brain I decided to have. A head massage. Therapist at used as oil which I was like Oh. This is amazing. My head feels so soft than united feels really norrish and she said Oh it's catchy. Sounds like mine. Catchy. I've never heard of it not begun to research. And found that Abe existed for six thousand years and the a grew a gross main me like in the southern part it will be lighten. Swan now. Yeah just it just had like this Mazen benefits like it was full of polyunsaturated fatty acids it was full of vitamin E.. and. It just really nourishes the head to the point where. It just felt so good but didn't have that Greasy Phil because whenever you say will people automatically think always going to be driven with grease is going to be oily just apply. It didn't do that. I love the fact that. What's really won't Kelly textures? So. That became like the style ingredient on wall of my products and yet it's been it's been incredible. Took me. It took me so long as well because I just wanted it to be the best out based our weather just take my time and getting right and also I was fortunate to have the clients in the Salon to test on. So it was like you didn't have enough for a collision benefits are awesome for more condition. If it didn't have enough with the oil allots memorials, it just kept going on in going on last I. Did it all myself say was self funded. Says that I was GONNA say Charlotte begins I, BET, lots of people He offered to put your name on that product side many many. It was all self funded initially because I I thought Oh. You know I don't have a lot money. Let me go the freelancer who was really not that great, but I didn't know at the time I just oh, he's cheaper than the big manufacturers be going, but it just kept going wrong same yet I lost six thousand then I had to go back to the manufacturers. And and really sit down cowboy exactly. Is it that wanted? So I think in a way it was good that. When wrong with the freelance because I learn what didn't want say actually made me know why wanted And that's why it has such a strong presence in the marketplace because. Now. Began to tell my story because you opponent is in the show. It's actually bottle in the show. So how do you get people to understand what it is that you're doing and why would someone want to buy Safina Why would they cheese you begun to really share who was my experts is in which is in Africa. And to my heritage because. Even though as London I, grew up in across so I have both. Both coaches deeply in me not want to people to know that unseen NC where I was coming from and even down to the the actual logo is my initials by used. Club that we haven't gone to Kim take cloths. To a very colorful woven beautiful that kings and Queens wet and I really wanted to to show that because my grandparents wounded a light go into these. Amazing. Events. Weddings and You know it was like a very respected favorite so I wanted to use up for them because it was a colorful it just didn't work with the packaging to the not I began to look at the African fabrics and I found this fabric from. Sierra Leone Khuda. Ki Cloth. So to Cuba cough is similar to became a close, but it's all kinda woven graphic shapes late, it's never even so i. Used some with that and not change the into my initials, which is CNN like you could see on the Logan It. Sounds I mean that's six years to develop products and. To have things not always go the way you wanted to set something before which is sometimes you will cost simply doesn't run straight. Yet it sounds like you so many he just goes well. A small with punches. Yes I think that's how you go being like you go to you got to believe in yourself and just always say like this johnny of lives it's It's a bit like the so heavy traffic. Would you rather be stuck in heavy traffic would stay new lane and just going slow until you get there because it's about your life is about your journey would you want for your life and I think as women as what we often? Compete in thing all I want to be like her, but that's no ye so I believe that. Whatever happens nobody's you know your stories unique to you and it's about you is by your journey. So always stay in your lane and and just keep going and whatever it is that you won. It will happen it might not happen at the time that you've paid your time that you. Put to you know accounting six months minor happening in six years. But just. Believe that it's all about the processes well, and even going through the pro- says it's important because sometimes that's actually where you learn the most 'cause sometimes you get to the end and you're like. Oh is to say oh But. We kinda miss the process because we're so busy looking to get to the end and you don't enjoy the process enjoy the process. That it will be is a part unique story. She might me off you have a really strong sense of self. That's what I'm not hearing where to that comes from I think that comes from my grandparents because they was so strong believers in they had a very spiritual strong like McCormack especially shoes. Always. Praying to buy everything. Even when we were six, you'll pray over some water move drinking and move will instantly become well. So she had this power and she believed in itself. United says she she she she kind of instilled that in us with us even knowing nothing it was really instilled in us that you've got is you can do it. You know every day you wake up. Thank God. You're up and just visit wherever happens use it as a used challenges as the motivation used as lesson, get up and keep going. You know you only stop on your dad. So just keep gun whilst your head you have to keep going. You believe believe in yourself is going to believe in you. If you don't believe in yourself, you have to believe in yourself I and other people believe in you so if you don't have that. In new makeup if you don't have that as part of you as part of your. You have. Yeah. Because that power a power to be able to to stand on your own two feet and whatever happens. Just, let it be and. Carry on. Think which hotel about the people, the Era London College of fashion with same time maybe it's the fact that you will dream is but you will say really believed it was going to happen deep down. Yes. Yes. I. Think we all kind of knew that I think it's you know you have to have that passion isn't it? You know that Posture Law Firm. It's like if you're GonNa, do anything you have to do passionate. Don't do it too said, the passion is walk when sometimes when you're on your doubt news office, is that thing that gives you that motivation I think we will all like we will have passion passionate flaming citing, and you have to keep that flame burning just to keep its like. The moment. That fires. Gordon. You just so you have to keep light knock flame. You got to have that passion. You've got to have that that I WANNA do this I wanNA wake up. Indeed it's and I'm happy to do not just because I'm gonNA, make lots of money but because it gives you joy. Joy and when you when you achieve those things, you feel even more like a happier and you kind of get like I get my energy of people. The more people I see that more image, I people like Oh, my God you and you got like a, you know you've got the energy for tenure russet. Yeah because. People because I've always been around people enhancing. That's always a lot of people around and they actually I didn't know guns what me empowers me I love meeting the women I love going on the shoots are love meets all of the graves and it just kind of Inspires and motivates you to do more and listening to other people's stories listening to their journey on what they've done. Anything is possible. You're dependent that's holding you back. Is Yourself. Preach, I, believe findings that say to you say you have said something. That I rating of actually because men even all compensation about product can you talk about failure Aaron I personally have chosen to failures of the success that how that's how I try to navigate But you've also talked about the of good cry when you come up against. An obstacle and how misquoting eve I think he's on the lines of a good cry. Clinton's is the so and then when you finish crying your reenergized yes. Yes. I think crime is is part of it is the spiritual Nessel. Let it go. Let me go I. Mean I often like sometimes the I forgot do Margaret Christ things. If I'm really disappointed about something which something has grown I don't understand the had to fix I just needs. Let it go so. I believe so much about. Letting letting things go because you need to forgive festival, you need to forgive yourself if something has gone wrong and you don't understand and you know you have a problem with someone and just control, you need to forgive yourself and forget that because that's the only way be free. You know you'd be free to get on with what you need to go on wave to to be able to dream move to be able to to To actually create more. But when you're not forgiven people and you're bitter inside and you're not feeling good about that, will Sadat crying like release united just letting it go. And say, it's it's. It's it's like it's spiritual cleanse that you need to do get to the next day. So every now and then yeah, is parts. Life is the same way you cry the same way. Yeah, you should love to loss ensues Rilya, you may. I one thing I do in the southern lights some of the clients denounced Have you ever been a comedian? I said why? Is You come. Things. You come out with, but it's important. You know all of these things that it is what we need to thrive in this life, we need all these things drive. Her I have loved to Charlotte. I've I've learned so much. You. You build up an image in your mind when you're researching someone and obviously I've seen you around like what videos of yours. When I go to the end, my research always described in a bubble might page like what's mayor who riding? Failing and with you, it was technical an emotional accidents. State off not had one before. That's brilliant one. have an emotional excellence I love that. Yeah. By sharing by him in your ability to do both but your ability to share as well. Yeah it's same foods is improved not saying. is been such a traumatic like the tough, the toughness of the life that we've been through. In Times of losing our mom at such a young age, but you know it's I think that self believe from the onset just kept us going kept US Gordon I. Know People that had. Like. Parents sign young who like will ever the plays get their life together but me and all my siblings obviously with old smashed smashed it in a way that we have each other. We encourage one another and we give each other support united. It's been hot a we had like. Yeah we find good opportunities as well and we saw cheese and when for those units because sometimes. When you? Like you know when you say like traumatized, don't even see the opportunities just miss. Miss Everything so I'm I'm so grateful for good hand and you know I. I know it would be wealth because yes, you call us Honestly, it's it's it's so lovely and like I said, I mean I I. Have Straight Hair. Issue a hack wave, my Harris that I've had a picture. But I do know what it was like as an overweight teenage, not able to buy clothes and talk shop in the high and to feel like I wasn't represented when I sometimes listen to my friends talk about that texted in how it's made ben fail mobile icon empathize exactly. But I think that you know what I kind of. It never nice to feel isolated to feel as though you're not catered for a does is it tells you who you all? Yes. Sir Can night. Yeah I think it's it's got so much about the history of black carries wall, which is so important 'cause a lot of people don't even know what that is and tons of light incites in parts of Africa light as soon as the babies balloon. Shaved the baby's half because it's like the communication to the ancestors and the spiritual and the same thing happened like last year more profit died and his wife out to shave the head because it's a sign of respect. And then inside ten coaches as well. In Africa they, they really like their head to be like really cool. So it's like a communication to the High Heavens and the. Scott so much. Yet. So important in our society, we kind of. Lost Our way and understanding why it's and when I was also growing not west the. Teenage of even land in. When I was in the white cheese. Like good. Hey, it was like if you had a headdress typical, it was very kind of scientific can so like you know just was boring. So you do your tests you positively just talking to book somewhere by. This is a very much needed book that would actually help people to understand the history of black hair and said to understand their own head and look after Best. Vitality it's you know it's it's nice to do things to your head but at the the end of the day, the most important thing is and the key thing is how you look after. You know. So you because there's a lot of people with African hold that will get to say h and all of the head of like suffer from a lot of hand loss or the headlines seated because if don t much to it. So having a book like this. Just really helps you to to reinforce in love with your got even texture and I remember like a Year ago I went to boarding school a to do so mentoring for these young girls and I was mortified when I met like eleven year olds wearing wigs, how slide you only let when you're wearing a wig. But you know what? They were more interested in straighten the weeks than actually caring for their own head my just kept praying. Conway on wait for good heads to come out conway for good heads. To be like in library so these kids can pick it up. You know I can't wait for it to be published that they can buy as Christmas present because it's like I would so short. Eleven years. So you actually more interested in a week. And actually learning your subject. So I'm happy that his hair and hopefully. Think Everyone I. It's such an interesting read on feel really terrible. The I of bishops and I. Only. I keep. I guess it's time for everything. 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Alessia Cara, Lauv , and a NY Times Best Seller

Elvis Duran and the Morning Show

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Alessia Cara, Lauv , and a NY Times Best Seller

"A true crime podcast about musicians getting away with murder behaving very badly is available with new episodes from the underbelly of Music Industry Nwea Madonna iggy pop eminem and Whitney Houston are coming at you on a mostly biweekly basis and hosted by me Brennan Disgrace Land Contains Adult Yeah Yeah that was the one that was that was the wise decision welcome to the day we've got a busy the morning show just walking in as the show starts love where I work and I love where I live the commute in between I make the most of it I listen to you every morning and I'm currently in the afternoons when I drive back yeah this is the most expensive item in my closet really it's Alexander McQueen bought it on Ebay so it was cheaper but it's still the most you know it feels like it should be Friday been paying a lot of money this week to stay in the week we let it go wouldn't like that but we'll take you well so that is a long commute I mean but you're okay with it do you like spending time on your own in the car listening to us every day you know it's I don't you worry don't you worry don't you don't you well in New York sometimes it turns into three it all depends on the traffic and weather all right let's pray for bad weather and lots of traffic we get you longer I know sorry I'm early happen again timing was amazing well thank you welcome to the day it is what is it yeah it's Thursday Thursday is October tenth tomorrow's Friday as you know it is Halloween season you look over Daniel's wearing skull scarfing is the most mortgage Daniel if you follow her on instagram she has something on every day that represents Halloween except for the Yankees anyway we welcome to the Dave hello there Gandhi Elvis what is her name. You know what there's froggy morning I need something to start the show with you you guys are my favorite and I love you all data listen John How are you yeah here's what I love the pollen she commutes for two hours every morning we get it for two hours I love I love that the Swedish House Mafia yeah that's okay all this great frog you like this hey we've got love coming in with your car coming in we're getting ready for our big a New York City wind food festival tonight you're signing books and eating food and drink I'm listening to your your book on audible it's amazing so you all have really been a big part of my life well we will continue to do so as long as as long as takeout yesterday I'm not GonNa eat all day today I'm ready to go okay so your stomach is pre stretch restarted good Morning Paula. How are you good morning it's Thursday can drink passing by on the way in this morning and they were in the big thing I mean we we we are doing a big party with lots and lots of things hugh every day so funny every morning my way or can I just say hello you're listening Paula we'll be there okay yeah you know I have a fifteen year old son and you know I don't sleep a lot at this point but I stay positive and I'm just grateful for everything and that was speaking with view I'm just I'm so excited cry well you know what we have to do since you are the first caller of the day we have to send you an Elvis Duran morning show shirt it's on the way riverdale and it was so tastefully done I'm not going to give away any details because I don't want upset anybody who didn't see it but I cried my eyes out and thank you and one last thing so my son birthday is the same day as Alex and Greg Teas and when he was born I was in the hospital I said he started the day with Alex and Greg got off another day you should've cross your legs until the next day everything characters are really crying because the guy really passed away it was this one part where it was so touching that I just lost look you know they are characters but he was how interesting trouble together go around the room Daniel What's on your mind today well I have to say the last night we said Goodbye Luke Perry Character Fred Andrews doc it's time to stop eating I don't know what you're boiling point is I think you know when pants fold over that's a good sign he sodas coiled up guy but you're part of your life so yeah that was good scary what's up with you you said you cried your eyes out I see them you didn't cry so not literally fancy pants over there I don't know about you guys but I do have a breaking point when it comes to enough is enough with the eating and that wasn't my said this on the podcast yesterday when the elastic in your boxer shorts holding over a little bit on my God it's folded over like midway through the day and I straighten it out sitting there with my son who's like Moss and I'm like you don't understand Berry I grew up with Dylan McKay hysterically and says good morning I'm heading to the airport here North Carolina shortly to head back to Pennsylvania where I'll pick up my wife and head to New York City for the New York City wine food festival event tonight where we're all V not a failure getting your way though your days attend areas you've been working hard for a while so get ready to receive some well deserved recognition but remain humble days nine Sam who me yes I would be honored this under widened Food Day Okay it is winding Food Day let's see if you have his birthday today you share it with as a seven Aquarius it's possible that you're feeling restless make sure to get your things done quickly and then you'll have time for yourself your Disney Pisces time to take on a new business venture don't let the possibly your life is in a state of transition so take time to write down and pursue your new goals your days in eighty seminar you're in need of some peace and quiet so pick up a book and have some me time solid black one yeah I couldn't find it especially with the colored lights off so tough did you research for Black Christmas try did a search for days and our listeners are so friendly but they were all sending entity maybe coming your way so be open to the possibility of starting something new Scorpio your days at ten and Sagittarius doing well and it's time to splurge on yourself but really Mario Lopez forty six years old capra corn you may feel like you're dragging along with the same old routine so try to change it up today thank you everyone holon diamond sent her the best shirt you can find all right there you go I like that that was nice you have a kidney imagine sharing a birthday with Alex great t the ten cancer your communication skills are peaking this is beneficial when interacting with loved ones your days and eight Leo Keep Your Energy Hi new opportunities and experiences are on the way and I it's black no I don't WanNa do pumpkins on it and I'm really excited about it though and it's huge it is big I really just open it up initially because I was like I wanna see how this thing is and then my boyfriend's like if you want to let's health day of very very important day we're getting into this later and a lot of other stuff all right into the three things you need to know what are the Gandhi well people are protesting the NBA over what they see put some put it up giant Black Christmas tree in my house and it makes me happy they took you to find a real white Christmas tree it's not real but yeah black Chris not you so make sure you're ready you're a virgo don't be afraid to be vulnerable with your partner it'll take your relationship to the next then it'll take relationship to your next level Virgo your days and eight libra go home and spend some time with your loved ones you're in need of some positive energy your days seven Scorpio a new operator so grab a bottle with a wooden cap you won't be disappointed about your purchase you don't need any unnecessary clutter in your life your day is an eye and those are your Thursday warning or has go thank you Sam October tenth it's world mental five percent a month on unpaid taxes you get it done and finally how much would you guys pay for shoes that were quote unquote Jesus shoes actually with holy water in them you're not happy with this accountants reminding people who ask the IRS to violate that the deadline is next Thursday October fifteenth and if you miss it you're going to get hit with a penalty three things you guys ready for your Thursday morning show as you know every week my friend Jen comes over to the apartment and cleans the attorneys that I already saw and I couldn't find but I finally found the one and I put it up on my instagram store if anyone wants my big Christmas tree here on October tenth Jordan and they injected it into the bubbles in the sole sold them for three thousand dollars a pair every single payer sold out immediately we'RE GONNA pay they're all gone is bowing to Communist China on free speech have you guys seen what's going on so the Houston Rockets general manager actually tweeted out a tweet that said Free Hong Kong that people saw it got very upset he cleans it Jaycees thank God but we don't let her come into the apartment until we clean the apartment Oh yeah most people do I feel like like to bust out there hot sauce on Taco Tuesday not me I busted out all the time to Lula's original flavors showed me that I can use them on eggs burgers anything I want they complement any dish it down it's now becoming a bigger thing and the teams getting upset because they said that they saw security guards of the capital one arena taking down signs that said things like free Hong Kong of course Chinese authorities or two on the list is the definition of clean yeah because we don't always agree does it me no dirt no clutter I mean to me it means no clutter we'll get the dirt later how early is too early to put up your Christmas and I don't even care I got my blackberry yesterday and I put it up on the old black Christmas and all black Christmas tree I wanted it for Halloween I just don't want her to know that we live that way it's just awful I mean hoarding and I have piles of things close that need to be washed I haven't I've been so busy and lots of people flying in for big huge fans truly looking forward to simply being in the same space as you guys it's going to be a great event tonight I can't wait let's get into your horoscopes yes in push the start button he's one of those sooner found out this is very interesting in on the list of the top five things married couples fight about which I'm still learning is I'm finding that Alex I have a difference of opinion when it comes to what clean means it's always interesting modern world clean means just you know yeah I didn't know this was a show and tell tale don't have to show what Gandhi okay so we've talked about this before laundering three weeks so gems today so I woke up about an hour early today just hit that hit the road runner right and the reason I bring this the piles are nice and organized yeah nothing's on the floor in the laundry hamper his idea of cleaners no piles nothing in the laundry hamper because you do the laundry my idea of clean is what you put your dishes in the sink his idea of cleaning well then you load them into the dishwasher thanks drive me nuts so I have put it away reloaded laundry I had no underwear what's up frog we kind of do the same thing where there's territories but what Lisa does is they will he wore sandals he wear these shoes well a New York company Nike's could they went and got holy water from the river of ops to make some money and started a gofundme page for the town and in only three weeks they bought their coach a brand new SUV is so super cute skipped she cleans up her territory and moves her crap into my territory you open my territory looks like a big mess because all her clean stuff was put in I'm in charge of the living room the dining room the kitchen and like the kid's bedrooms territory territory and I don't go near his office I don't go near that that is the friend is ex military and let me tell you know he is so neat it's ridiculous he like fixes away squeeze the toothpaste as soon as it gets out of the bed he's talking me in it imprint okay anyway let's get into your feel good Sam all right so has anyone had a coach or a mentor that has meant a lot more to them than just the title Yeah Yeah me too for me that was sent say Chris how often they have sex that's never been argument just everyone do it using your phone using your phone too much is another reason why couples or five that makes sense he's making it it's just terrible all right all right so I was walking down this whole list of the top things people fight about the chores at the definition of clean it's not they get out but thank you for listening to us I have a beautiful day and on the whole morning whatever he wants to do down there is what he does Daniel a pile of stuff can be clean it can be a clean pocket yeah see I can't if there's laundry and it's sitting there tat I get that same thing what about you Gandhi what's your definition of clean I'm with you I feel like if the piles are in the laundry basket if the dishes in the sink we're doing well did not see it coming as I would imagine and it's really just a great way to remind that deserving people do deserve a little extra from us when we're able if I could I would right even though we'll get into this this marriage thing I don't know I don't know I don't know I'm losing some independence here you know what I'm saying it's like a money back guarantee like all volunteer coaches and middle schools the guy could not just afford one that easily so the boys decided to pay back their coach all the love and support he's given them they picked up various and for Guntur Works and Trevor Jeffrey and Louisiana that's their football coach skip the boys are in eighth grade and they knew their coach was in desperate need of a new car but a lot I want to spend money on like today I wanted to make a big purchase and I realize I can't I gotta say something Alex about it you have to ask for those big churches they say hey it's the morning show there you are sandy thanks for holding on so long how you doing I'm doing great how are you doing very well so you and your husband or driving all the way into auto because I I I use it on everything last night I use the Chili garlic like you told me all about love it good choice especially the pizza yeah that's right clamp is pizza two hundred it was so good it was so good and once again it had the heat but it also had the flavor and that's the thing about hot sauces sometimes they just want to burn your ass off Oh good glasses appear smart pocket protector has one of those Oh cutoffs think that when they put a dress code it's more for men here's why because girls are gonNA address it up no matter what and look presentable guys not for our our event I think you're GonNa be okay but you saw something that has you a little concerned about tonight's event what is that the clean look like me it's like a facade I feel I feel it has to look like it's going to be one hundred but it just helps the seem like it's clean like during trevor really went the extra mile thank you so much boys and if you have a story that deserves to be featured email me salmon Elvis Duran dot com subject line field goes thank you saying ah fellow Penn State Grad a bunch of nerds? I'm I'm assuming for tonight's event it means like no shorts eleven tagging me recently and all the things putting Lula on I'm astounded and I'm getting a lot of ideas one person puts it on ice cream never thought about that someone else puts it on potato chips I don't know she's asking means anything as long as you wear a monocle you have to dress smart like you have to wear something smart person would wear spectacles Lula yeah you got to whip out your Chula and slap it on your clam pie it's what I did I decided not to use this we so I feel like a lot of times they put that out there for guys I think honestly if you're in maybe even a nice pair of jeans cute little top whatever you're going to be fine but I will say all the guys have glasses on okay so I'm looking at a website for tonight is his casual attire they've got they've had clam pie is it labeled clam pie just like site clam pie and you know what as soon as a clam pyro I pulled out my they feel proud about it oh we've got a great hot sauce because we burn you you'll sweat no I wanna I wanNA taste it then then I want that he I agree and sounds like I'm just trying to do some dark leave me alone story your story in the morning show all right last night ordered a clam pie I didn't love Clams Mood for pizza last night I went online to Joe in pats they deliver here in the city now and I'm like the heck yeah you may it may be a little misty it may it may be a little little moist today but tonight for the wine and food took booting I love Danielle he just dropped his pants right there for me fraud hell yeah I pay my rent and the sleeper the manage Ghandi New York City for our New York City wine and food festival tonight while we're actually heading to the train station right now trae you're gonNa make a day of it because it does it start to you tonight that's different but you saw smart casual yeah right now my other question was it's half outdoors so oh cool all right we'll figure it out but sandy I'm glad you're here you're you and your husband wins last time you went on a trip last Saturday we don't know what the heck smart casual mean now where does it does it say somewhere on the website it's smart casual as far as how to dress the hell does that Lucky Day sandy you have just one a two night stay for two aboard Norwegian encore we'll do that or put it on your show Lula just pick it up put it on your extensive data and messaging rates may apply uh it's so important so don't Norwegian Norwegian encore is our newest ship it's so beautiful so we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA WE'RE GONNA see it to its limits without taking it out to see and we'd love to have you and your husband join us and we're GONNA have a party the ships all hours for like two nights okay oh awesome that's fantastic collegeville Pennsylvania colleges yeah what do you do when you get back like scary when he skips back in time with the way he dresses where'd you go we went to skip back Pennsylvania for skipjack days back that it's have you ever heard of that's terrible all right just smartly okay well see now you know how to dress smartly at skip bag I tell you what I'm looking up smart right now and it says you can basically do like nice if your Guy Nice jeans and a sweater maybe button-down if you want you can do a blazer you don't have to Sarnoff debut here in New York City November eleventh to the thirteenth will be on board live broadcasting November twelfth you'll have complimentary meals it might be a little chilly so I was thinking well to wear a jacket but then at the same time I'm like but with all those people in there is it going to be warm like I don't think you're I think you're gonNA be encore in November okay all right hold on one second there you go how cool is that a lot of fun we're GonNa give away some more of those it's it's a trip to nowhere it's fabulous dress smart casual for that listen thank you sandy and we'll see you on board Norwegian tonight stays aboard are Norwegian encore today later this morning keep long listening this is GonNa be fun this last year I miss it I was so sad I got here right after uh-huh can actually have positive mental benefits in a lot of times artists come in here and they just put out singles or whatever and there's no full albums anymore well if you listen to a full album of an artist start to finish you know what's cool about an album listening to a story when an album they are trying to tell you a story right exactly cool so every time I think of Kurt cobain you guys did it originally they were supposed to ship out but the maritime laws would not allow us to do so we had to stay at the Pierre for two nights and it turned out to be the most fun thing ever ashed the auction house says it comes with stains cigarette burns and everything so it's GonNa be it's been a long time upper -tarian that sheeran teamed up for World Mental Health Day which is today and there have been teasing video that they did together it is out today where they talk about how important it is to make sure you're taking care of yourself and armed that she did turn down last year super bowl halftime show to show support for Colin Kaepernick she said it wasn't going to happen did not want to do it and so she passed on it I honor Hey Arcade is open the gambling not so let's get into your first Daniel Report of the day Danielle New steadiest saying that listening to full album eighty three percent of people said that listening to that helps them relax and seventy six percent said listening to the album can actually make them feel better if they're feeling down when you listen to it lou how you doing Lou calling Lou no is there a Lou Lou party Lou Lou is it smart casual I'm GonNa wear booty shorts Oh cool yeah as long as you have a monocle I think it's fine that might be smart casual somewhere okay what else bridges in all the restaurants I mean this ship will be open as if it's at sea but it's not gonNA leave this not GonNa leave the dog you're gonNA put your joy I call it the cruise to nowhere it's if you are struggling and you do need help so that's pretty cool as she reminded you it is World Mental Health Day in that video is available where I know you can get it on Ed Sheeran's Teddy yea water because everything is open I mean all the restaurants all the bars and we just blew it out baby did you say the arcade last night we say goodbye to Luke Perry's character on Fred Andrews on Riverdale and if you remember luke passed away after a stroke back in March it really was an incredible episode go into detail because I know a lot of people you haven't seen it yet but they did bring back his friend and his co star Shannon dougherty and how they brought her back the others and it's on Instagram I know it's on Ed Sheeran's Instagram page and at the end he gives a list of all kinds of places that can support you in resources you can go to I will hey how's it going Elvis oh I'm gonna say I don't I don't necessarily agree with Danielle the dress code is just for men 'cause mark casual I mean come on November and very rarely do people complain about girls in the booty shorts booty short just made the announcement I'm wearing booty shorts to our events it was perfect and his character did pass away as a hero on the show so that's how you you do have to watch it is really good tonight our for our our the Thursday night football you got the Patriots you've got the giants a little supernatural going down temptation island Elvis you love temptation guys are so hot grays and last night on the mass singer was the flower the penguin the Fox and the ego the ego went home but I'm not going to tell you who the Eagle was because you'll be pissed off at me so that's not happen rain the how I picture him is in that Green Cardigan that he wore an MTV unplugged. You guys remember that so it's going up for auction it has never been the little things evil and had to get away with murder next hour we're GONNA talk about post Maloney finally paid up on post Malone it really smart casual no buber's accessory yeah but mine are always in so funny a lot of women that wear shorts and wear like jeans and stuff with holes in them so I don't necessarily think it just applause holy Eddie's photos on instagram guy would go there Prince Harry is with Princeton Ginger Ginger get together so Rehana confirm rule for dressing casual business casual all that stuff smart casual made no doubt when he took the Cleveland always out smart casual some world run kind of with it I don't WanNa get draft sucks all right we'll thank you very much for calling both saying how we're so much more comfortable in our jeans Easter sitting there it's awesome what's in your show from there but that's okay we are looking at reviews for a restaurant and it says business casual we don't go no alex is rule is if I can't wear a T. shirt I don't want to go and I kind of I'm in at a p times bestsellers list wasn't expecting that very excited about it so I decided to open a bottle of wine and celebrate Oh yeah yeah cookies I can get away with a lot of stuff and then I'll wear something that has the deep neck and people are all your boobs are out is that that is a sternum I hope it's brandy are you sure it isn't carling because no names right today hello brandy morning welcome to the show what's your what's your casual is shirt untucked is that true no but it's his that's his life anyway so we'll thank you so much offended you well Sir sexy last night I'm at the apartment I'm doing my cleaning straightening up doing dishes doing laundry folding laundry the whole thing trying to find ah I don't complain about it looking for guys anyway business casual is shirt tucked in and smart I don't know surprise I talk to you I've been listening to you for at least like well thirteen years finally got through I will tell you this will uh nonfiction yep and the other is hard cover nonfiction and electric book combined it's one is hard cover nonfiction and one is all content and explicit language you can listen to disgrace land on apple podcast iheartradio hopper were every podcasts Rocco restaurants of all time last night eleven Madison Park to beautiful restaurant looks pretty but when you sit down and it's gorgeous this the people that work there just also nice I'm GonNa pop the top twist the cap I'm in is set there in and then I realized at ten o'clock last night I haven't cleaned anything room for underwear I don't know where it's all been dirty notes I'll clean over to put it onto the book where do I begin made the new year imprint that's so cool and they said this was a tough week because a lot of new big authors I mean a lot of big books came out this week how with that tattooed on your forehead always wear jeans yeah I'm wearing jeans tonight I just don't know which one do their straightening brady if you go to smart casual you've got to put your bubis in but you can dress very formal and have you boob way out being bubis out it's all these rules real schmooze Dave rules aren't brandy thank you very much so my boobs are not out to that means right now I'm dressed smart cat I always think that because they don't really have but did you have a good time though I had a good night and that's the important it was just awesome I'll have to clean your a New York Times bestseller you WanNa do and you want to do you get people to clean a beautiful restaurant you sit down and they bring this beautiful elegant wooden box to the table you're like Oh my God appetizers are in there and you open it up at in it's empty right now in New York Times bestseller I'd be using that card every side of New York Times Bestseller L. Durant can leave until you let me ask you this what doors so who is this well will no it sounds it sounds nothing like pillow real I'd rather talk to you anyway what's going on you year on the best seller list twice not once you're there's two different lists it's awesome one is hard hard cover it really opened fears about the booking tables and say I'm in New York Times Bestseller scary dinner I think one of my favorite team of our restaurant we encourage this restaurant it's it's restaurant we encouraging atmosphere of communication and awareness of all the senses and to achieve that what they do is they request they request you put your cell phones in this box and they close and they take it away here's here's what they say listen keeping with the spirit and picked up my favorite flavor sweet Habanero put it on my eggs this morning you should do the same pickup Shula tell your friends all this decadent art looking food who cares you experienced it and you you got to experience it and see it and that's all that matters you don't have to share everything with everyone pictures have been shared with no one kitchen people are the ones you showed me everything you do and think have to be shared with everyone look it aren't there aren't there things in your life that you just want to keep to yourself Oh yes my best mystery in there I hope so unless you date scary and you know every single square inch every moment of his life keyes bail a certain way we have to have a marketing plan we don't just play it love exactly I'm with you I love his new singles called F I'm lonely at least you brought some new music we've never heard right and then they kind of looked at each other I sure hope they surprises with some new music maybe we can convince them to do a free style of some side you know here's the thing they have all these rules say rules Schmooze a song bring it let's play it well it has to be released my food the food is supposed to be so great here supposed to look I know but it wasn't a great just to do that your phone for several hours yes or no yes it was because I it engaged me more Alvis Elvis Duran and the morning Sherry so Gandhi thinks she's a hot sauce queen on the morning show no it's me I'm hooked on Chiloe hot sauce in fact I just ran into in the Hallway Lau here and he's not performing here for this morning and that's cool but having to play a censored version of a song because that's not with the artist intended to be now how bad would we get in trouble if we give you a moment and then you look around you realize everybody has put their phones in the box and they took the box away did yeah I want to do in the restaurant and has a phone you know what I'm saying I'm glad you did it but here's my point and I love I love how they they do this at the restaurant does it didn't make sense and I kinda yelled at him a little bit he took the this this girl he's been saying out on a date to tell her he doesn't want somebody to go. Hey I wanted to have sex with tell you that I don't want to have sex with you ever again yeah Gandhi I WanNa make love to you love to Uganda he acted as if it was frightening at first it was a think about it think about it I can't get to our how am I gonNA photograph felt like it made the below less of a blow no like I even brought flowers I went to ask them to go to dinner on a date like we normally would go and then restaurant to say goodbye and she totally saw saw at the way I see it don't take me to a nice restaurant don't give me flowers because I explained like hey things aren't you know great right because you gave him some guilt flowers and then we parted ways is weird you wouldn't have the sexy I sort of you Elvis and I said you know what else is right I don't know scary no picks I don't think you even went no I only did it because everybody else around him did it yeah they get a treat when he did I know but it's so funny wins when scary was telling me about this I knew they do this because I've been there several times as if he acts as if he'd cut off body parts doesn't come without reward though because when they give you the box back at the end of the meal it comes with a full sized chocolate bar and they don't tell you that oh I think there should be like if you say at once it's fine pass yeah like you get a pass for the first time Nice try anyway so lau on the way I don't know if this is why I don't text everything that happens in my day to Alex I want don't something left to talk about at the end of the day totally so you know maybe you're dating someone do they have a little date her anymore I've done that what do you I mean if it's a date you shouldn't tell them on the date you don't want to date anyone shooting you find more discreet it's not me right we're not getting back together what do you think you say well it just depends on how the conversations going I feel like if you say there's just no chemistry that that's it See I know there were mouths moving talked about this one actually were like you're making out with them and you broke up with him I was waking him you can actually stand up with them and walk a little bit like in the path of the park I mean you can in your outside but if I if you take me to a restaurant to me that's a date and a date to me is let's see Freddie and then this is my favorite Gandhi what do you think is the best way to break up with someone like the sentence that you say so that you are very clear this isn't happening again it is in my conversation that I was having with your girlfriend for her birthday anniversary presents mind we were like I was I was in the present I wasn't in my phone but I was missing out on place but that makes me nervous too so what do you do I know you said you've seen it on a park bench repeatedly edgy that heart benches are perfect break-up come somewhere though in a park bench pardon bought me flowers and dumped me while his mom waited in the car because he because he couldn't drive to me like I said that's the sign that we are moving forward those those are four forward momentum actions that black flowers I will tell you food a bottle of wine here so Lau has passed he didn't bring doughnuts anyway we have what else we have going on Oh what is your question this happened to a friend of mine you a few times so I think you should get it out aired out you WANNA say enemy fine we're doing it at a park my favorite line is this just this just isn't working for me does your ears right now California's having some trouble not only are about eight hundred thousand people without power because they're trying to avoid wildfires but it's a special time of the year and that is tarantula breeding see it's not you it's maintenance you don't say that because that would that would complain yeah but but anyway so so my friend took her on a date to a nice before we have momentum and in a restaurant too if that person wants to cry tell you to f. off or do whatever they can't really do it in the restaurants of that but it's not very nice I see a car coming in later issued performing today hope she brings us new music you don't perform I you have to bring his news president of some sort up at named carly is GonNa talk about how she's in foster care because her mother had an opioid addiction in creators are saying that this is such a problem now that they wanna shine light on the perspective of children active by the OPIOID crisis and finally the Washington nationals headed to the National League Championship series after beating the dodgers in game five they'll face the cardinals on Friday in Saint Louis and those are your thoughts should be Friday I here by declare this is officially Friday morning to me that's an insult even though that's very true it could be me that has no chemistry I if they ask me is there is there chemistry problems then I'll say yeah I don't have inherently they're coming out of the woodwork to get it on and make more tarantulas however officials say don't worry don't freak out their bite is less invasive and horrible than it'd be staying didn't play the censored version but we we get in trouble depends on how many times he says it in there but only nate would get in trouble right there is this incredible Businessperson Dylan Miss Quits the CEO of Cafe Altura was looking for a director coffee for his organic coffee company you got to look far and wide for director of coffee decline dusing I started seducing him and then I looked in his eyes and I was like wow this is not what I want forever within three years Ali you know early on Ellie actually dumped a guy while they were in bed yes yeah I'm the one might not surprised at this rally they were doing it said they were they were getting frisky did you farewell no if they make love broken finger what's your thought I think that you have to do it somewhere public because you don't want them to come to your house and then you can't escape I mean you 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weeks not only did she lose weight but she gained energy anything thank you so much Gandhi we love on deck he's coming up in like twenty thirty minutes we're GonNa talk to him about some new music I'm sure he's going to wipe it out new music bother me here okay mosquitoes wyckoff flies got like a robot albums ziprecruiter was so impressed how quickly he had great candidates boom in the box ready to go so dylan hired his new director of Coffee Institute few days isn't that amazing of chemistry in my veins to deal with you a pharmaceutical serandon Elvis Duran phone all right let's get into her phone an old friend Mr Michael Oppenheimer the most irritating more like where would you recommend like a hospital lobby saw something that's just so boring maybe like a post office lobby can use wreck off for relaxing in the backyard recording gardening right going to the playground shut up where are you located in the playground any more this is Mr Michael Oppenheimer given how are you do you live in a community inches away from a way okay let's do that and spray with a slow and sweeping motion hey a nuclear physicist before you sound really intelligent whatever position you're trying to fill US ZIP recruiter for free at ziprecruiter dot com slash elvis that's ziprecruiter dot com slash l. e. nothing to support your kids with right but sounds like you're making a mockery of me making a mockery of your mother did that also nine ninety nine the free phone Hello Hi if you this is Mr Michael Oh kids and with the new night outsize you'll have plenty of Wacko if in the can for holiday weekends shut up I don't WanNa hear this pennant how you doing today Sir was what finally there's a mosquito repellent debt you can feel good hey hey hey hey I don't really need mmediately for treatment advice kind of enjoying yourself maybe keep calling me once a day it gets better than coffee what about Jackie does she get you as revved up Ena joke on you on the phone she's not she's in a meeting but she told me to call you and Matthew because she says you hate telemarketers especially when they call Your Business Line they you're breaking up with the nets scaredy cats all right let's get into the three things you need to know love is on the way we've a phone on the way what's going on okay if you don't like spiders ready go ahead it could have to this is Mr Michael Oppenheimer with lack off in you know what it's got to be a pain in the ass hiring people that's why here at our show we just let people go off we don't hire anybody got here just in time so anyway in writing telephone marketing guy you've ever heard in your life yes what he's back the new call was selling today mosquito thing whatever advanced powder-dry formula that dries on contact you there I don't have time for this 'cause this is my business phone I'm GONNA hang up I'd mind feeling a big part of the concept is like I'm representing different aspects of personality using different versions of me that are like dressed in different colors if that makes sense so we have of whack off put the can in your hand and shake it back and forth violently for five to ten seconds hard Oh yeah that's good container six to eight like we have like existential loud who's purple we have hopeless romantic loud who's blue and so on and so forth six characters have all the colors results like that no wonder four out of five employers who post on Ziprecruiter get a quality candidate in the first day so I want you to use it for Free Hey I'm Greg T. here whether motive to all this color agenda agenda I mean basically a big part of it is the album putting out it's called Nance thank you so much following you online a lot you're more colorful than ever is there is there is there as you know on this on on commercially licensed radio stations which we are on several lots of them right now if we played your new single on center that has a lot of mosquitoes oh yeah we have a we have a moat here it's very very very unsanitary are you on medication I am not before each allowed and we welcome Lau was looking all fine heard they pull the plug on US yeah of course it's F on lonely right so I'm a grown man having to use the word f you know what I'm saying you like God thank God thank God he called back five questions off gets in your eyes hold your eye open and rinse slowly or see your doctor this is scary Jones Elvis Duran in the morning show at Jackie's phone tapping you Jackie's ideas you know this is a radio station nine months oh my God I didn't think she had this idea for a phone tap dot com now we don't need another Michael Oppenheimer for at least another year okay thanks please welcome live for the Mercedes Benz during the morning show awful awful three years old by God reverting will thank you yeah I know it's crazy but here's what here's why if I was you I would just I would be so pissed off you're an artist it's as if you painted a painting but we have to cut with special substance used to make wacko off insect repellent down that wanted to get a repellent telling for you I already told you not live to like even if I play like a radio show which I did for the first time recently I like obviously I can't say it but the entire audience screens so essentially off the corner of it if we're going to put it in our museum I hate that the funny thing is like as a songwriter you can just so used to like you just know that that's going to be the case laugh aloud so it doesn't infuriate you that when we play lonely in a second we're missing it's funny to me yeah and it's funny when I played with wack all insect repellent guy I'm the same guy as well fight on flight to you guys but I actually have two other calls I'm not on the phone tap tap tap was pre recorded with permission granted by all terrain phone tab aw that's why it's not as artists as much but I'm I'm I'm sure it's like the company the Music Company dig all bent out of shape when you start playing stuff that's not really but then they kind of just go to expect it just kind of happens hey dale you work for I love when he releases stuff that's not like so how about you by a couple of cans are you ready to back off with me today were born and the door went bankrupt and same thing anyways so we in essence could play it open the microphones and screaming exactly exactly that's that's a loophole is anyway so yeah why is there such a strict plan when it comes to releasing music I don't I leak a bunch of songs on Instagram I the we'll play that in a second but but you you aren't performing for us today so I say look if you're not going to perform and I know it's a pain in the upper perform at this hour you gotta bring me like a little a little gift like we'll be putting out a lot of English English in but you can put them out as you choose to put exactly they don't call you allow even though you made that you created the song I'm like well it's GonNa be really hard to radio you know I know but you need to live should be allowed to be loud now sanctioned by the company the business part of me gets gets annoyed but the personal the music fan of me loves it okay so you're fighting with your son very diplomatic album was totally done I'd release it tomorrow it's coming out the beginning of March I know comes up much sex sounds like forever probably what kind of dog do you have I have a Pomeranian he cut Palmer Shitsu Shitsu I'm saying the moment if they would like and pick up a piece of paper and just write whatever's on their mind just anything catharsis a cathartic weighing you down people would write about obviously now doug owners live twenty four percent longer because all disks really help with your stress better balance all the things that I'm doing that are already reducing honestly usually would write about struggling with eating disorders or losing a loved one or being in love with their best friend and not knowing what to do and just yesterday we re everything I for a long time actually in the past couple of years and I was touring I was kind of in myself not in the best mental head space so it kind of felt numb to it but in this past that photo of you so nobody knows who it is it speaking and it puts it in this whole database so you can see people all over the world that are experiencing kind of like the same as you so we show it's it's actually another way to connect with people relaunched it with Microsoft and now it's whole booth when you come to my shows it's like almost like a telephone booth it's a kiosk where you can walk in and you can speak and at like and it takes a silhouette everything feels very real to me it's it's insane absolutely insane did you find not getting to deepen of did you find your at a point where you're going to live it's a good guy is what does this project you're doing with I think it's Microsoft oh I've been doing this project actually for a few years it's called my blue exactly because that's what it's about this word connection is where we've been using a lot of late and I especially here on a World Nash World Mental Health Day the three years he's started making out with him and he said this isn't working yeah it was just like yeah I really don't WanNa have sex at the right now it must be like what am I know Kyle what's thought originally it started as a staying at my shows where I had a box a cute little box with the blue light and it said my blue thoughts obviously and I asked everybody at the show too we can't let you kiss my aunt yeah that we can say on the air but we can't we can't say the F. Word Yeah it's a bummer so you can see that in your brain is working it's nice heavy fast the story came out yesterday about dog owners what what happens the motions but not really being aware of the world of the things that are important and I felt like I fell in love with everything in my life I wrote a song about it it's called sad forever matter all pharmaceuticals daily I was following you on instagram yesterday you loneliness can can kill us all in here we are sitting in a city of what how many like forty five trillion people yeah and there's a lot of lonely people walking around kind of wild yeah so wh- what kind of chart in in this world of ours I think I think what you're doing really cool thank you I mean loneliness is just as dangerous as cancer as obesity tour it's like it's so surreal to me I don't like I'm really feeling all of it happened while it was it something you did or something you just noticed and I just album that's about my favorite bar not drinking at a bar though be crazy thank you wrote a song about I actually have actually and I might might as well just call them kind of thing so you can write a song about anything no dog bar yeah have you been drinking at a bar I actually do have a song the song yeah do you have do you have more music with you actually got a listen to this this is not released stuff really just in it yeah you wake up when dangle wait a minute hold on I see a pattern here yeah so so a recently I was a man so for instance ever lonely when we're GONNA play in a second whoa connection is so important what you do it you do as an artist you don't you don't put your music out loud just to could you like put because you're connecting with evil and we need more what we encourage you to place your cell phones in this wooden box here and store them away until the end of the meal we're GonNa take the box away I'm GonNa give you a second to think about it and I'll be right back so the this year and he really hasn't been the same I love this song though I'm really excited you guys hear this song about nate and act like like we broke up Blah Blah it's sort of that but it's it's really more so just about somebody used to hook up with okay yeah who I was just I was just mentally not doing well you know I was just Kinda struggling with some depression and stuff and I won't go too deep into it but I kind of took care of that and I'm in a much better place than now compelling at me you were getting yelled at you know what it is one of my favorite conversations I've had with an artist I hope next time you're here we can just let them take over the show do you get when you see your your fans screaming your words screaming the F. Word when you're told not to do it I what is that connection for you how important is that for you as what what is the song saying wh what is what's the message here it's okay so it's actually not it's not that deep but it sounds like it's like this really dramatic and actually with that song we take all the proceeds and we donate 'em to organizations that are helping end the stigma around mental health and good helping people care and stuff like that because in that stuff onto the road it's all over the show today's the day I gotta get that higher done those days are done so now you wrote a song about being lonely yeah so let's as so many songs on my album about being this one it'd be so many Oh okay give me a piece of meat by the way this is never before heard stuff this is I think this was for now song it's going to be my album it's called billy my dog's name is Billy Ryan Yeah so so you know what right what she will write to you being lonely or a dog needs to like get into not called me we don't know where that came from but here's a song a song called I don't know what you are to look I'm glad you woke up early to come in we wanNA talk to you about a couple of things first of all this talk about censorship which is pissing me off beyond belief the report is the three options I've just say something about the first time we met it was here I don't know if you remember the day you came in AFC perform that day and after we were done your people all said we gotta go low we ever take take talk we've got a scheduled but you actually stopped and we talked and we talked about music how important it is to you for a long time won't I thought you had it out for now oh well what's mean it I know what you wrote down by the way nate have a stroke for now this is all you get for now though the phone a friend who fill this on screen hey diamond career diamond diamond we love our diamond but she's allergic I'm Gonna I'm GONNA play lonely we're GonNa play the censorship version because well right the band says we have been anyway the albums anyway so I wanNA play lonely which should be called F drives me nuts to yell it yet but I'll turn your microphone they will have something that wants to kill you but I drink a lot of wind tonight you're not gonna eat you just going to drink last night or did you actually sleep I slept yeah four hours every I don't know how you guys do it every where are you going next what are you doing love I'm actually about to play two shows terminal five tonight and tomorrow cool yeah I'm really excited yeah yeah so why earlier you up late right now to everything on earth the thing exactly around her so you're coming to the wine and food festival event tonight right yes I am going to be surrounded by death uh I got really tired of hearing the music the music I've been working so hard on it that like I'm like let's go sometimes you hear it so much you can't you know with the grapes it's grapes Chug Chug chug keeping outfit we're GONNA be up there I think look like that I do thank Allah can see me on my phone and you're seeing it to me thank you Anne Murray now and this is lonely ought to march but you're going to be dropping stuff all over the place all sorts of thing can we preorder and then you know when you preorder and then like I wake up the next day and there's a song in the talk let's talk as if he's not in here is like totally cuddly allowed kissing me any books or so five hundred people into yeah I five hundred people get smoked I think chosen chosen chosen none of us are signing your book Elvis no don't do it so the other day I got into a all out brawl with my four year old over the letter B. He's learning now for bet right now he didn't the song we play I love that Liz but if I hear one more time I'm GONNA take we're gonNA play again in a few minutes and then again much staining anything can't handle that thank you to Andy Cohen I was on his Sirius. XM Show yesterday we had a lot of fun but oh he is a father now he's a single father as a kid and he's trying to talk me into having a kid he said he said you and Alex need a child I don't know yeah you can put it on it shows it shows kind of like the track listing twenty one songs it's crazy all right we'll it all it's all crazy isn't it you're the best you always have a seat at our table looking I try not you but it is actually amazing one you're going to love our band moments but the good moments outweigh the bedroom where he says he loves it he's Andy I love you all listen to you every day they're so funny and that's an environmental Ezekiel every morning my way to work I wanNA kiss you as green okay same posting to your own music and the new music actually yeah you're a fan of your stuff only the the one says he's at a point in his life where he goes home and hangs out with the kid he doesn't feel the need to go any parties anymore so I said basically you just don't have you don't have the need to have fun anymore right yeah fun suckers yeah anyway so okay remind me puts it on my list of things to talk to Alex about this weekend you know Garrett you have two beautiful kids WanNa talk this yesterday I'm driving in the car with my son he reads something on his own and he goes oh my God i slammed on breaks and almost killed somebody to write the letter B. and we're at the second letter of the entire alphabet we got the arrest of the alphabet to go and we're already fighting over the letter B. and this is the argument you have in Your House Oh yes seven o'clock at night right the letter B. no right no I will not tolerate that in my house I will be will be the enforcer will be very strict with the out you don't react to things like Danielle will hit you yes she smacks people all the time she smacked you why do you smell they no don't do that he says what did he wrote it was Kinda Funny Oh I'm sorry about my action that's just my reaction kids don't get me started on the number two that's the other one we're having trouble I don't want this kid's but we talked about this anyway we need to go round in favor room and the new music okay we'll start with you froggy what's on your mind today you know so you were just talking about this in the room and it's so funny it happened people I've been seeing what I call my most expensive best friend for about a year now and I love her and she's drastically improved the quality of my life so even if you feel like oh I'm not I don't have that kind my child I don't need another one babies are like pushers of drugs once they have one they're like you're gonNa try it it's amazing to have to you don't crap about it is that what you people have kids there you can talk to your friends all you want and that's great but when you can talk to someone who has no agenda with you whatsoever fantastic hey what's up Danielle so the reaction my reaction so there has to be happy when Alexander walking down the street he'll have thought he'll stop and go up hit on his arm why are we stopped on the sidewalk only because I pay you see I'd rather have that relationship with someone I pay so there's no personal agenda at all true but I'm getting button and scary he literally jumped out of his skin I am I what problem just go talk to someone if you think you might want to it will change everything it's amazing very well put just thanks eva we should be best friends in real life although I know it I talk show I get angry at people when they overreact to things because I'm like hey your stress level just moved my stress doing stop it but then I've been told that I don't react at all so anyone else getting those phone calls where they're telling your social security has been breached so brody said he was I have been getting them every single day so yesterday it got to the point where right and I'm fine if you want to see anyone signing the book I'm GonNa Make Sonny's sustain your with your gross if you ever ever talked guys do we went to Peter Luger's then Metallica head a movie come out at and it was only playing in select theaters so we went to go see that Air Andrew we have to take care of him like he takes care of US Andrew Look you know I miss shows because I stay up into you smell awful they get them everyday choosing my sister Andrew just showed up two hours late that's a sign of a good night the set said to my husband shall listen you Schwartz nothing because I'm getting the calls every day he said Danielle did you look at your lifelock on Mike yes it says nothing it's like he had had nothing to do with my driving it was something he was looking at you can't do that when you're with other people you have to be aware of your surroundings and you can't free they are used my hands right yeah so you don't do that at least it has that homeownership I'll be sitting in a room by myself dot here I went to push the yes if people start to make you feel like you've done something wrong shut them off off away okay so yeah thank you for all going to calm down what check with you today producer Sam though as we've mentioned before it is world mental health awareness day it's so awesome that we talk about Tallec movie Yes drinking yes the movie drunk you know Yes remember the movie extra today because it is not a day if you just think you have some diagnosed thing with a word to it it's just about being mentally well and that means so much for so many nothing it's a it's a fraud do not call the number Bandar called him back Daniel give them your information so I have not called them back but it freaks you out when the call comes call today all right well thank you where's where's birthday boy did he come in today you know I think he's still recovering in a different way Gandhi it happens under lots of people who get hangovers I'm like amateur only no I never do had some steak celebrated his birthday yes I get it thank you I get feeling can get you an aspirin I think any more than that hope was trump grams on the phone with wrong you don't listen to him he doesn't know what he's talking about I'm ready to my point is this if someone goes out and plays has fun fine what I smell the the alcohol coming through his polar by the lies start stop making someone feel bad because when I'm party so thank you Josh mccown last night while I was doing my laundry and stuff I told you guys this when I found out about the book on the list I opened a bottle of wine I was by myself and I enjoyed my night I enjoyed it what's scary well he can sleep this afternoon because then he's got to be ready for tonight what we drink again drinking that's the thing if you go out and your party and you know me I'm the heaviest party or on this show you're done nothing wrong and I hope you had a great time I did they have been working your ass off because of Andrews hard hard work our book is now on the New York Times happen I was just thinking about the best dinner last night we're stopping me for them your mind goes to the worst place I don't listen to nate he doesn't know what he's talking about what you're saying that's what you were telling morning number nine record this and play it back next time if I decided to come in on the struggle bus one morning because one time I did this and you I was worthless to you I was worthless I did uh-huh okay good okay thank you Andrew Breakfast Buddy young open flame around now Andrew today take a day off for the most part when I see people partying on like a Tuesday I just think you are awesome good for you live in your life having a good time no fun suckers at home to bring it back mouth and talking to show that's just like that's dessert for you I mean you need to do things in involving computers and putting that you know that's like drinking and driving the one other people do you drink again after that because I just don't stop drinking exactly here we are I have NATO over here I'm good care of me throwing me in the shower yeah that was a crazy crazy day but it wasn't even with the guy that was in charge of our show was giving you alcohol every single day maybe my social security is breached got another call maybe I did went five trillion dollars grants bestsellers list you work your ass off thank you if you want to go out and drink all day today go for him I don't think I can look at uncompensated experience here I came in tanked one morning and all I thought was I'm GONNA get in trouble no Andrew got me breakfast printing up it's all good like an eight ball from scary has those drinks I haven't regularly Gandhi was born I didn't do anything right and I feel like I can't do that again you're sucking all the fun out of the showroom feeling this was let's go to sound with Gary Yes hello Garrett Good morning all right let's talk about the math singer without giving anything away this is the Eagle last night a better show sometimes because you know like we talk about it and we can make fun of each other you know but you have to drive the ship he have your hand on the wheel if the push buttons take names I it depends on what you do for a living we just show up and talk yeah scary you're not you're more of an engineer and producer when you open it flood go with great tita indicating you now you know what I'm saying I love you but that's just that's that's the job you have old mantra every time he goes to school okay a four year olds mantra the thoughts and stuff it's crazy all right straight says we gotta move on so let's move on nate really didn't say anything he pointed at he's right you're absolutely right car you're the Uber driver yes we sit in the back and enjoy the roads exactly fun Oh what the job self driving car we can driving Bagpiper wow okay okay this step anyone doing guess who it was there's no way knows google or actually guessing actual singers and offending no singers social media though imagine yours is quite strong too yeah I don't smoke marijuana I don't I don't enjoy it no I never have really no they'll sound so network off if I drink and that's that's the thing that's why you're not allowed to come in almost we are now for you personalities it makes what's going job scary this case this is a case of not exactly you're you're expected to drive yeah all right now yesterday had woody Harrelson on and Woody Harrelson loves to smoke weed and Woody Allen also enjoys to smoke weed but ellen doesn't smoke we freefalling and Bagpipe one thing you didn't have at your wedding it was bad piper he's freefalling and free bowling Hey Ghandi curtain on this show who sounds like Nelson okay here's Nelson and here's that other person John I'm high on life guarantees Garrett is Estonia or in your head's GonNa hit the computer you get those catalyze cows have is his cows is or the size life is so sacred just wasted because is go down to like normal level dealer I don't get it and he doesn't smoke ordeal I'm type casted wherever I go no you definitely are stereotyped go outside to pay the meter and someone will come up to me in from the simpsons yeah our very own smile and Stephen Downing Kuwano to hurt another they're all sorts of good American I want to drink calm down there when you know you're not more awake you're one of those people that like you're GonNa be falling against the wall is it we always have tomorrow looks like Oh my God oh kid function to okay great car she's going to tap dance for she she thinks he was going to the bathroom but not the bathroom door and go to the bathroom all right where were we oh my God was it interesting I think it was a great around the figure out why we have a big piece of wood here in even more it's filled with unique flavor in just enough heat what's not to like so grab your bottle of Tshiluila the one with the wooden cap the always turn them on on the way to work every morning I've always loved hot sauce but now with Chiluba in my life I love it uh-huh and Bagpipe that was a funny joke nate okay but also listen on the replay channel it's very funny All right so we all know Daniel for her laugh right yes we do does it also it sounds like tickle me elmo now remember Nelson the three two Alexia some water protein shake up some pharmaceuticals through the tap dancing okay I thought it was gonna be a surprise I was merely acting I know why it's here hey can join you have that stone or thing you just do all right what else you all right I'm gonNA break the mold donor get back and listen all right let's listen to this the car is tap dancing her way into our hearts coming up next Elvis Duran in the morning show talking with each other Yes for maybe fifteen twenty minutes yeah he's cool he's the Best I love him cuddly he's got great they're having a very serious conversation this is the first time they've met in person we'll get to the bottom of that can we start a rumor that it's a love connection I don't know we're starting also never questioned why there's big would in the room just enjoy it let's do this let's bring in Alaska let's get to the bottom of this car the place I'll tell you right now what I'm fantasizing about is the two or you the two of you are talking about a collaboration have talked about that this is great wow every day as he goes to school I am smart I am blessed I can do anything man and now let's do something totally different a skied I don't know Alexia Kara and allow for out there having a very serious discussion great music great Miss God I love his stuff he's so good we met we've met before we've talked before but this is going to be here so we just caught up on life nobody's doing exactly again hello yes hi guys before we get started lava still here you would allow I'm getting nosy but so you in love comes on the show I I it's too much to ask for her to perform she always does and we just WanNa talk to her and Nikki says I don't know I feel like you need more from halfway shut but she looks like she has regular is yeah right now sober looking at everything this weekend the stars live for the Mercedes Benz Interview Lounge we always have a great time with her other than what you do do I mean he's there I instrument I do I play guitar one of those I know I have I mean one of it we need to know what they're talking we'll ask I am I'm GonNa ask you is the second I think we deserve to know I think everywhere around here should be bugged so he can just happen and listen to it means we have nothing to hide okay I'll just hold everyone you guys were dating so so right now I'm just kidding no what can she do other than performance she says well she can tap dance told us you tap dance serious what you're talking well he asked me how long I've been down for show tonight don't be so giving and so fast obviously it serious sneakers noland messing with no no we went all way to home depot and we got we got the would would you like me to try they get in line so you know I was talking to our Nikki Farrag went the label yesterday she's a dear friend of ours used to intern for US fifty thousand years ago ask and you were like you're earning it all out here on our in our living kind I mean we we talked about it we've talked every time that we've ever spoken show her what's behind you do wonder why we have a big piece of wood in our studio I didn't see it but now I am wondering now you can see my would always wanted he knows he is he out there I don't think he he said he didn't come in because he didn't want to crash the party which I told him he could come of course dating runs the world and I said so nicky less coming in and she's so kind to show up at our event tonight in to help us wine and food festival special guests so they have a getting ready playlist and they're like gets when I'm doing my hair my makeup and that is right in there thank you so much thank you so much are you guys Ok nate I know I won't tell you that you're single rooting for you I believe we were the first to play it remember the day it's a love it you emailed me about it which is really really sweet they have never been so far off of reality I wanted to freestyle something today that is can I ask let's go around the room and then we're gonNA bring less and we've got to talk to a lessee we love it when Alaska is here and there's a reason why did that already we did around the room yeah Oh we did his insane it was my first time speaking Spanish on on a song or just pretty rich in general like I'd I'd like to think that I can but I don't know I it's like on being able to do different things Oh yeah I mean look you totally continued to kick ass and master the car that we've known to love and what do you mean never me in Latin grammys I just never thought I'd ever do a Latin Song I just didn't think I would be able to do it but it was it worked out really well like even over text and stuff we've talked about doing collab- in figuring out a way to to do it so who knows being too nosy no no I mean nothing I mean nothing's happened but you're not being so I know that you you're back on the road I know you've got another a month long out on the road thing coming up you're I know you're GonNa end up in Vegas at one point what is still a little jazzy okay down here comes Alexia less learning listen to what to believe get thrown a curve ball and go okay thank you all she almost stood up and tried to Tampa she would have if you can it was crazy I I had no idea that that would I just didn't expect that to happen I mean of course I'd expect him to get a million nominations but never me so that was Kinda cool to do that with him times like to play the Jimmy put your hand on do you do with the shirt I could do with my hands okay I can't do that Keke so you don't have any hidden talents like we know that you can do a great impersonations we hear that what you did that with our buddy fallon the other night yeah do things like that but there's gotta be something else you do table depot fake news for Lessee Akhara you've got all this fake news today uh-huh I will do anything just ask me I'm kidding damn performing with one is at the Latin grammys yes yeah what are you doing yeah we're performing we got nominated for song record of the year I just I just think that I'm running out of things to do like this last one wasn't my best I think it was just what made it bad in the same way Gandhi will try anything anything not not a terror scare in the world why not you never know if he likes something until you try it I would have never ever learned taking one tap dancing lesson would fail miserably has anyone in here if you don't know how to tap dance I dove and now I kind of want to do it EPA she mentioned within messing with me because he's trying to make me tap dance I think she'll wake up and you want to see how that list very well in the impersonations which are I mean do you get tired of people asking you to do those I mean it's like Oh God I don't want to do any wine house again not really I needed so I kind of I did have a lot of fun but yeah so you don't feel like the burnout can kick it in every once in a while I totally do yeah like I still get very tired and I I know if I would have failed miserably so maybe maybe she mentally alley not a less that was confusing thing yeah so Ellie Ellie gold minute there is a difference between jumping out of a plane and just tap dancing on some board but I like to try new things I doubt myself a lot so sometimes it takes me a while but going on to still yeah it's like I've just been doing it so much that it just become like the majority of my adult life in while touring you're also writing assuming so so really up for like four days when was it like last year when I'm with my family was it last year I say a little bit but that one was yeah I don't think it made it a tough song to do impressions too I think and like I don't know I just feel like I'm running out of people to do I gotta learn New People it didn't work out though this was a more silent one jab said Whoa I'm so sorry that I can't bring water I dunno it just becomes your life when you're so used to something for so long when that's gone even for a little bit you feel like you you don't know what your purpose is in that moment the richer miley Cyrus Oh yeah you can you can I thought I heard this somewhere yeah it's not cry hey miley Cyrus Hewitt anyway I think for the most part I've tried mostly everything wants to be the same them forever you gotta turn out exactly when you're on with our friend Jimmy Jimmy at the tonight show Jimmy Fallon it's really its purpose unless I must assume that you know when it starts working when you get people saying hey we want you to do this for us or hey would you on tour traveling but it's just become like my life now when I'm not doing it I like I have a crisis I'm not even getting it's just like I don't know what to do myself who am I what the need time off and I get to those like points where I'm at the end of the rope I need to be home but then when I am home like okay I need to be on tour again it's so weird I dislike uh-huh yeah is this your way of getting through life I mean do you just don't hold back if someone says hey let's jump out of a plane you'll go do it I don't know about jumping out of a plane so when you took a vacation you vacated you went to an island somewhere you epcot I don't know the last time I managed to the music with a tour on the way it seems like you're always on the road to me when I'm perceiving and receiving that as well it's like always I feel like I'm always the talk with your hands it'll take our eyes off your feet retard events it used to be there Gandhi does it we have a lot of Miley fans calling up saying pissed off please let's talk about let's get in I think I cannot even I could do it for you I have never in my life come to me I think the actually know how to tap dance do okay well where's ninety to learn what you put your under performing here and oh you're going to accept an award for this when you have a moment without that it's almost I'm not saying all this stuff is like a drug withdrawal it's sort of it is I mean in a yeah I feel like it's just kind of like the same thing with I guess any job that you do for a long time like I've been talking about unmasked join me for behind the influence on apple podcasts or on iheartradio APP or wherever you get your podcast which is a apropos today on world mental health day when I heard your voice on that track I I had to sit down what my life and my childhood as if this had already happened to me it was something as always doing like I was doing fake interviews in my room since I was like six years old but I I believe in the universe I believe in the power of manifesting things I've wanted to do this my entire life in a weird way I've always kind of gone purpose exactly being in here with my best friend every day being able to artists that totally change our perspective through their music and that's my purpose I can't I would is to you oh God I am an ordain minister either way thanks my best friend birthday she made me Dane because that was my dream the I love the word purpose yeah that that's that's the thing look look you're very young and I'm old older more I am I like winning things that kind of thing but you know doing this in waking up in doing music and talking about music and performing like that's just what I do now and heartwarming and amazing to think that I have that effect on on someone in on people and it's just such a trip to think about because I don't see myself that way this gift came from so you don't really realize I guess how you affect people until like someone especially someone like you saying that like it's crazy like effect on them I mean how does that make you feel do you take it seriously I mean it's it's crazy to think about because I mean my voice dishes what I've had my or you're doing that at all times like you see how the characters get so consumed by their jobs because of doing it at all times when they're not that's what gives them purpose so for me it's not so much I'm like what is your belief system if you don't mind sharing with us yeah well I mean I guess I don't know internally my belief system in terms of like did the university be bored to death I would just shrivel up and die me to know it's true don't don't do that I hope now I'll try my best I'm GONNA say something I L- I felt faint the song the whole song is just that I'm important song but is it weird to hear someone tell you that you have that don't even know how to explain comfortable no it's not uncomfortable it's it's obvious no I don't you know it's just insanely like you don't do that you're like okay what am I giving to the I'm not doing anything I don't know how to do anything else you know you remember when Bobby Flay was here the other day so we were talking to him and he cooks all the time sometimes don't really know how to dig in there and find it yeah I'm the same way I wrote a book it's out there are times bestseller really really believe in destiny and predestined things and while I think a part of that has to do with like of course making your own destiny I really do think for me Salihi that life is sort of planned out and I believe I was meant to do this you know because it's just in me I'm a firm believer that everyone has that everyone is pre wired is great to hear your studio work is fantastic and when you're collaboration when you when you did this you did the vocals for the logic the logic song go into restaurants never stops so bobby what do you like to do when you're not cooking I like to go home and cook so that he wants to cook exactly truly believe we all have great things already on board we're we're wired for them and some people all of us included start hearing things in life that makes us doubt ourselves and we learned that there are so many obstacles and challenges it why bother than someone God forbid in your life says it's you singing exactly your I'm assuming unless a your core is you in your voice singing has nothing to do with the microphone or a studio or a stage or guitar mad okay you're so evan great at what you do your voice to your voice melts me and the sweetest enter just to watch you perform people and talking to thousands of people are it's it always goes back to me in my room like with my guitar writing songs and singing that's what it is and it's in me it's not like I actively like it's like you is your fake radio station you're making a great commission here continue that thought well okay yeah I need to hear that yeah it's just you and your voice alone in a room saying isn't your core absolutely it's where I started and it's it's what I go back to all the time like from straight out a tour to playing for thousands of I begins anyway I talk in there about how you know I always just wanted to be a guy on the radio that's all I wanted to be and I had a fake radio station in my bedroom and we're going to be able to do that why don't you do this the heat of winning is to unlearn all that stuff to be can't again because you at your core no I love it anyway yeah the New York City wine food festival they raise a boatload of money every year because it's all about putting food on the table it's a dirty dusty I I can't believe we live in a world where people are hungry in the face of starvation the face of hunger isn't what you think there are people that you you walk by everyday I eat all the food and now today I'm not gonNA eat anything works no thing that allows you to eat more special guest Alexia will be there and maybe hear her humming in the background check if you wanted some tickets we'll be appear ninety seven here in New York city tonight go to NYC as a kid in this battery operated transmitter and then the lady next door used to listen to me she was my first listener oh my goodness that's so cool go back to that because it's something you know it's so cool I know wow you don't unless he's going to be with US tonight wine and food festival I am I cannot wait to have all the wine and the food eh anything more rusty yes so he was always grumpy he loves trash song called I love trash anything dirty and dingy or dusty anything ragged or rotten or rusty has washing dishes you really love washing dishes for you go to like just be at peace when you figure out what your core is when you get confused in life when the when the map just isn't there try to do it it's just what I want to do it's what I do is what I've always done and that's it you know I think the key is for everyone to figure out what their chords it could be something as simple in anywhere and that's what the food festival about every year and this is just one of our event is one of hundreds of events and so you're GONNA help us kick that off tonight W. F. F. 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Mom Guilt & Paw Patrol Deconstructed

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35:35 min | 1 year ago

Mom Guilt & Paw Patrol Deconstructed

"Sebastian just goes through periods where all he wants to eat a cold fish right. I can't get him to eat anything else and I feel a lot of guilt about it because it's like I'm trying to get this kid some nutrients and he's not child eats. Only goldfish is their poop orange. No confirm no scary scary. Mommy speaks. Hey everyone welcome to scary. Mommy speaks the show for women who are owning motherhood and all it's glory pain and play dates. I'm Ashley and I'm Kerri and if you don't know scary me we're the number one source of Info and entertainment for MOMS across the country. We tell it like it is no sugar coating and no impossibly perfect standards in this is the real deal and if you've been enjoying the ride as much as we have please rate and review US wherever you listen to podcasts because it actually helps other moms find us. Oh Oh boy. Am I ready for this episode of Day. We have one of our favorites. Og Mom. She's so fine. She's so awesome. I know she's always like. I don't know what I'm doing right but here. Here's some facts does this work exactly trial and error by. I love her and I can't wait to just ask her all the things. She always has really good information. We also are going to talk about something that all MOMS have. Is it vomit on her clothing. I mean yes but no we're. GonNa talk about something way very different than vomit on the clothing. It feels like emotional vomit. Dow Mom guilt hate that subject with regular. I'm you can why now I really prefer the regular comet but my favorite thing that we have coming up. We did a little sub especially for you know a new segment. We're calling cartoon confidential. We're you're going to dive into PAPA trouble. Give it a really really hard. Look No mercy but I some very hot off the presses trending news after this. You need to hear this carry all right. I love lady sweet lady sweet. Is that a special all women's hotel or like a girl group. Oh No oh my friend it is a rejuvenating botanical oil for intimate skin intimate skin like between armpits. Oh No no no I am talking Vova Vova that kind of intimate. It's amazing. You put a little on your fingers. You spread it around and it helps things dryness razor burn ingrown chafing it genus readiness. You name it. That's a lot of things. Is there. Anything lady sweet doesn't do you know what. I honestly don't think Kerry checkout lady sweet on shop DOT SCARY MOMMY DOT COM and while you're doing that don't forget to put in Promo. Code speaks fifteen for fifteen percent off. I now we all I'll have some awareness of the devastating effects of Hurricane Doreen which was a category five storm on the islands of the Bahamas. Today we have a very special guest to speak to us about what people are are facing as they begin to rebuild and how he can help Sakir. Dorset is a filmmaker and a television producer. She was born in the Bahamas and has lived in Brooklyn for ten years and so I thank you so much care for joining us juice Akia. Thank you guys for having me. you know it's a really tough time but you know when. I was growing up. one of the things that we always had was it's better in the Bahamas. That was our tagline. The Bahamas is a place of tourism if you've been on vacation if you've seen the Atlanta's ads you know that's what it's it's all about and so this devastation avocado and Grand Bahama is really affecting not only people's lies with people what the economy of the Bahamas a hold old and you know when you look at what's happened there. You've have demanded. Devastation is catastrophic. You know people the tire towns have been wiped out out. flooding has happen. People's homes have been wiped out. People's livelihoods have been wiped out and it's hard to kind of imagine people trying to rebuild build from nothing you know the question is how do you rebuild from nothing and so it's GonNa take a lot of support. The amount of evacuations that have have to happen and where will people go from there. It's quite it's quite an enormous effort. Can you tell us a little bit about growing up in the Bahamas and you know kind of what you cherish most about it it you know. I think one of things that I love is that it's very neighborhood family. Feel you know that's something that I carried with me. When I came to the United States it was actually a little shocking to know that you could say good morning to someone and they're not going to say good morning back because that's like a rule you go you say good morning that whole feel of the neighborhood and people being concerned about each other and being very proud of the island maybe we're just naturally friendly leading up to the Harkin. I was very anxious of course because we didn't know if it was gonna hit. NASA which is the main island where Atlanta's and then it swerved and it went to to Freeport and that's where my aunt lives and so I was very concerned with her. I think I spoke with her and then on what's up and she was like yeah. We're going to be fine. We're in the hurricane to worry. Korea have my windows battened up and I'll be okay and then that's it and then the reports started coming the CNN reports and everybody and I was like Oh my God. This storm is worse than we expected and I couldn't get in contact with her for a while. So I really yeah like was really concerned. Finally she broke through and she told me her story and I am. I'll just paraphrase it. She was telling me she was in her house. The waters rose and they realized they needed to get out of the House House. For some reason my aunt a little bit my thought she was super woman and she would just stay on his desk on the porch and she'd be fine until the waters rose up to the desk and our friends. Luckily came back for her and then they were able to get away and find this kind of almost scene out of a movie this one light in the distance that got to go to and find shelter because there was this bright. Led Lights. She says that she saw and they allowed them to come inside. They fed them breakfast so this is like the hospitality of the Bahamas calm in the storm. You know you can't turn anyone away. Yeah a lot of people did not survive. I think one of the side is the most heartbreaking stories I heard is from an area that it was a little poorer where a man and his son were holding onto a piece of wood in the water and the wave washed over them and unfortunately his son was washed away in the way that he could not hold onto him and so you just see he said just watch my son going away from me and just yelling daddy daddy and there was nothing that he could do my God so you know you have those types of stories that you just like. PEOP- some people survived and they can rebuild bill but other people have not survived so could you tell us a little bit about what we can be doing to help without a shadow of a doubt tourism is the number one way the Bahamas makes money and so everybody is very confused about hurricane during came to the Bahamas and they're like it's wiped out right the all of the islands of the Bahamas islands so they're multiple multiple. There are many islands you can still visit for tourism and it's important that you support in terms of tourism because it feeds into the entirety of the right and the economy definitely tourism is the way that we will restore you can give money and there's numerous charities. There's a charity call head knowles that is one that people are really pushing toward one of the ones that I am giving to personally is the Bahamas Red Cross they have set up an Amazon list that they continuing to update and so you go to the Amazon list and you can buy items from that list tiny. Url Dot com slash help for Bahamas. I strongly urge our listeners if you are of the ability donate now and then again maybe donate later because this is a this is not a sprint. This is a marathon you know. I'm glad you said that that idea of the marathon because of course when if something happens you donate right away yeah but it's almost like a subscription plan yeah yeah it's almost as if that's why they have this thing called. Patriot where people are donating knitting every month to you because you do need the resources to sustain the rebuilding efforts and I know a lot of you know we talk about so much the squad encourage your squad to give give in you know. Tell your friend about it. You know this is a time that you can gather your squad do something I know. People have done relief efforts together her where they go to places and they rebuild. You know look up habitat for humanity see what they're doing. Get Your group together. You know and really encourage each other as well L. to give. Thank you so so much for taking the time to speak with US Akia. It's always important. I think to realize how personal this is yeah yeah. It's not just someplace far away. That's having something horrible. Happy absolutely that these things happen can happen to any of and that to make it personal to say that this could happen to you and your child. This could be your aunt. This could be your grandmother. We're going to have links up to the red crosses. Amazon page included in this episode's description so for those who would like to help them buy supplies. Please make sure to check it out. Please tell your family that we are thinking about them. I mean one thing we know is that the people are strong long and I know that they are resilient and they appreciate any amount of help that comes their way and so I thank you for having me today. Thank you so much. We are talking about the g word the G Spot I. I don't even remember what that was like. No I wish we're talking about guilt guilt guilt and more guilt nothing nothing nothing but guilt. I'm Jewish and I'm a mom. I am the human embodiment embodiment of guilt. I'm Catholic Irish well former Catholic Irish Italian. I don't know the go listen. We all have that were not alone. It's a mom thing scary. Mommy posted an article about a working mom whose son said that he didn't know her because he never sees her. I know this. The articles in the article is called. My son showed me my biggest fear as a working mom. If you haven't read it check it out in the article basically like the mom is torn because her older daughter she had promised to take her older daughter out to like a secret for sale in the sun doesn't WanNa come and she's like come on and she was wanting to spend time with her. Come on you've got to go to the mall with us but also she had things to do right. That's what happens in life. You've things you need to get done. Bring your kid. He was all going to Gutu opinions store. I don't think he said Panties but basically that was what he that was the Gesta better so they got in a fight in the car and the mom did which I actually really love this. She's like listen. She's all going to a dark place. Let's stop for a moment and go around and say what we each like most about each other what we love most about each other right and when it got to him. He couldn't think of anything that he loved right. It was my silent and she was like are you kidding me. Come on like trying to make a joke of it even though it stung. I'm not I one but she really thought maybe he was just kind of being a deck or whatever and he very lane. Lee said I spend most of my time with the the nanny or grandma and I don't see you enough to know what I like. What I love about you this article okay so firstly I mean my my first thought is these are a maybe he was just being a little shit and he just fighting what I and he was speaking from a place of anger but I had to tell you I actually texted my mom. This article will and I said I don't remember ever feeling like this and you did work. So how. How did you manage that. She has not responded to me at because she's bad at texting but I genuinely want to know because my mom worked both my parents worked and never in my life felt like I don't know Oh them and I don't want to say anything about this mother because this is a very vulnerable post and I am not coming at all from a place of judgment because I would feel terrible. She's the breadwinner to. It's it's a hard. It's a hard place. He's totally but I even have time today. I'm gone the whole day and had been texting Li. I wrote a note. I'm like probably MIGRA managing him not probably micromanaging but I feel horrible if she didn't sleep. Well should wasn't feeling well. I feel horrible being here. I get that and I I don't I feel for you. I'm in the same boat. I I understand but I will say you know a few weeks ago month ago. I was having a really hard time handling this working mom thing because Sebastian was it's starting to act like he really didn't like me and I took my instagram stories and was like hey you know working moms. How do you handle this and and a single childless. Male friend of mine messaged me and said you know you're showing your son. What's a strong woman. Is Somebody who works not not just to make money but to be creatively fulfilled to work towards their goals. I think there's a lot of truth to that statement because I had goals that I was working towards before session was even thought in my mind becoming a mother doesn't then mean that you are no longer a human being with your own own aspiration. I guess my only issue with that is that we always talk whenever we talk about the working mom as like. It's a good thing to be a working mom because you're you're showing your kid. You're strong wise a working mom stronger than the stay at home I don't. I don't think that that's the case. I don't think that working makes you stronger. I think people say say that you're strong. When you're a working mom because of this precise reason and you feel so bad leaving your and maybe you don't I mean I'm just talking for the people. Who Do you feel bad leaving their kids 'cause. I'm sure there are moms out there that are like thank God. I'm Outta. Here's love that show working mums. I Yeah I saw the first season fine like that show. I I felt I hate to see I overuse this word. I felt really seen yet with only mom's perspectives lutely. I felt that was really good like I said my hi mom worked. I still didn't feel like she was not emotionally present for me. I still didn't feel like she wasn't in my on my team. If I had an issue if I needed to be he really parented. My mom was still present. That's stance. He's were Astra because my mom worked and I never taking care of. My Mom knew everything. Motion needs aides or whatever so much so when I was doing like when when I was smoking at sixteen years old in alleyways in hoboken my mom somehow found a way to be in that alleyway and find I mean tarnish me multiple times so you know like a tracker on you swear to God. They must have chipped me as a child. I I saw black near episode. It did not end well. All I'm saying is those things. Don't go have to go hand in hand just like being a stay at home. MOM doesn't mean you're week being a working. Mom doesn't mean that you're better none of those. It's all what you make of the situation. You're in it's true and that's life right because you know for a second. I thought we were we were going to get in a fistfight per second and this is like my daughter just yes. You'll never gas gasol did on the toilet the other thing. I guess you probably have a drinking game about it. No I actually really good Oh. That's surprising thank you read the anyway. You're a great multitasker on that toilet you read the entire book on the toilet was a really good page. Turner. It was fun to read need. We'll tell me which one is it. I mean listen not that. I have time to read it because the minute I start reading. I just fall asleep anyway. What was the book. It's called the dad book troops hacks and data's actually. I'm not a dad I know but it's still great read and it gives you a peek into the other side. That could be like a great book for Man Exactly. It's the perfect book for the Dad who likes to laugh here ready picture me in Times Square in a t shirt. Does Li like to laugh. I gotta see the show up to you. Like comedy looks comedy and he likes to laugh. Obviously he's with me and I'm just a joke. If you didn't know the dad is a counterpart to scary mommy it's the number one media and entertainment brand for DADS and this book is packed with Popular Joke from the dad new never before seen content and it's almost small enough have to fit into a lease cargo short pockets. Lee does not wear cargo shorts. He wears the spoke custom-made Japanese Taylor. Oh well then he. It's almost small enough to fit into spilt custom Japanese Pam. If you've got a dad in your life or you just want to peek into the other side you can find the dad book on on Amazon. Just look it up the dead book all right so we are back with our our favorite our queen original Gangsta. Oh Gee Gitte mom no g Bob. I'm so happy to be here. We have an important and topic to talk to you about. We talk about all the time between the two of US yeah. It's a constant mom guilt or they don't you love it. I hate it well. What is your biggest. What personally what is your biggest mom guilt yelling yelling yelling now that there I have two boys. They're constantly fighting etta. Mike really late at night when you're laying in bed and you're going over your day and the nats and I feel guilty you guys are still early early. Yeah for you guys my only advice to you would be give yourself a break go. They're not going to remember when they're this little they're just not so. Let's talk about guilt in the school zone. We're getting there. There's a lot of MOMS that are there right now. What do you think regarding school. Is the biggest source of guilt. We talked about an article where a mom and her son her son basically. She's a working mom very demanding job a lot like you. I would imagine and her son said you know honestly mom. I feel like I just don't know you. He meant he couldn't think of one thing you loved about her. Be Enough yeah which is like horrible right right. You're you know you're working all the time but you're still you still find time to be present for your kids. Do you find something like this even like. Do you see that for see that even being in an issue for you. You know that's tough. I guess it depends on your job. I don't over schedule my kids. They don't do a lot of things things. I do that mainly because they hate sports but also because I just need the time with them yeah so I don't necessarily like we have lazy Sunday's Lazy Sunday where we sit around and hang out and you know where together they like it. I do try to have dinner dinner on the weekends together. I'm really not there during the week for dinner. yeah. I mean you do feel guilty by one on the other day was crying and he said what he said. I I forgot what triggered him but he was basically like you work all the time and I never get to see you know. Oh my God my heart all the kids get a memo that says that's the thing that's really gonNa tear your mom's heart out right there right and because they're older now and they get it right like the right kind of understand what's going on and they see other. MOMS comes in there a little bit more into like what's who's where and you know they get shit about not being able to make all the school things no because because I do have the job where I can. You know leave late. Try Go in late. Leave early work from home. I'm there more now. I had works previously at a corporate network where I like. It wasn't like that so it was different this now. I think that they see it and if if I don't I I have my parents go right so there's a grandparent important person. It's not like they're being left exactly exactly. Can we talk about school lunch. Which I was just GonNa say Lunch Gill well. I specifically want to talk about instagram worthy school lunch. Which is we've all seen being this frigging post which is the Bento box with little cheese slices cut into fish and the sandwiches cut into a. I don't know other fish that plaguing. I've never been good at plating matter strongest but like who is this thing Duke. MOMS feel guilty for not making a lunch. That's worthy of being instagram'd. I I don't care lives unless she enjoys it needs it. They're totally. Oh my God I yesterday I was making making sandwiches and like squeezed Mayo and then you take a nice guy around enough around through through the meat on it through it together and do it. You know what I did that. I drew a note in there yeah. My mom used to write little no. That's not all the time but she knew I used to get really stressed out. I was a bad test taker her so I would really on days of tests like all that I was. I asked my mom you strike me a little nancy ice that goes along who like I might not awash rapes but did you feel guilt about whether your food is healthy that you're packing for your kids like yes well. I will say I and just go through periods where all he wants to eat or cold fish. I can't get him to eat anything else and I feel a lot of guilt about it because it's like I'm trying to get this kid some nutrients and he's not child eats. Only goldfish is their poop orange. No firm now okay so my oldest is pretty independent. I might go I go downstairs and he made himself off a bowl of cereal at like five. I'm like okay you can write. He's nine. Your oldest son is GonNa make a great partner for something which is like I'm kind of. I like my partner. That'd be very self sufficient. We hang out like I feel like high. That's from years of ignoring my kids really guilty about it now but the end yeah yeah I can tell you it only matters if they're happy and healthy that is it if they don't eat you know a vegetable Chabad for the week. What can you do like it goes on. Is that how you manage the mom guilt like you're like. I'm going to assess my child's happiness and if my kids happy I'm going to not let that Gal L. Run me is that is that like one x I try. I think that like obviously you don't where kids have feel like he's entitled and spoiled and all this stuff you want them to be humble and appreciative but I do feel. We had a really bad year. When my son he has a learning disability and he was having a hard time and he was really depressed. One year like I did not know what to talk about. Mom Guilt like I did not know how to help this child that that's gotta be. He cried every day going to school and then you feel guilty because you don't want annoyed by like I was mad by it. I was like I'd I and then I'd walk away and he'd be crying and then I'd be upset and then he the teacher would have to come and escort him in and it was just really hard a hard yeah and it got to be to the point where you kind of have to give everybody a break. You know like you can't feel guilt. Kazan hill feel guilt and yeah. I think I was making him feel guilty because I'm like you know. You can't do this every morning. You can't cry. We can't start the day like that. I just think it was the Jewish on everybody him me. You know the family is brother like everybody needs a good fart joke just right. That's cut cut cut. Cut the cheese cheese. You just have to give everybody a break at some point and then just kind of go from there. Yes reset and say all right. How do you do over her. You're because that's my resetting general. It starts with you like just being like I'm not GonNa do with this week. I'm not gonNA feel guilty. I mean what do you feel Sebastian. What is is going on. What do you feel so guilty about. I mean right now. I'm feeling a lot better. When it really was an issue. My my main concern was like he was acting like he didn't don't like me like he wanted nothing to do with me. He I would ask you know like I would come home and want to give him a hug and it'd be like no. He just didn't like me so I just felt like Oh. Wow did getting a job that I've always wanted like really screw up my son that much and then long story short. He ended up being very sick. nothing life threatening just like a bad stomach issue and we were in the hospital and all he did was hugged me. All he wanted was mom the entire time and I feel like that recenter breaker. Nice hospital reset. Everything and I didn't do anything except I was there for my kid but that's that's my concern and I also knew as an adult like. Are you really going to let the feelings of a two year. Olds dictate whether you go and have a job or more like are you going to go about things and let him figure it out and realize like MOMS MOMS still here for me eighty percent of the time that's I just I I feel like in general resetting like not specifically in the subject. resetting is very difficult like stepping away stepping outside of an issue and saying okay this is that's not happening anymore and I'm taking a different approach because you get so you almost have blinders on right like you. Don't even realize it's happening right. I think it starts a little bit every day. Yeah a little bit every day. It's like today. I'm not going to feel guilty about leaving for an hour to get a manicure. I'm just GONNA do it. I WanNa make it and everyone donald survivor. I'm not gonNA feel guilty about going to work and doing something. That makes me happy. He's to you know he'll definitely he'll never remember right and they do adapt yeah. My kids know now especially with my job. I'm working and you know sometimes. It's a problem and we'll talk about it and then I buy them something on Amazon and everyone's really there's comecon. You're good well. Thank you so much because I feel like like this is a subject. Every single mom can relate to in one way whether they're little older whatever it is we all kind of deal this universal contact. I'm so programmed for guilt that I feel guilty that we took you away from your job to come talk to us. I don't love it fantastic. Just remember. You'RE GONNA fail a little bit every day but you'll hopefully have a lot of wins. You know Oh that's a really great perspective. I looked at that too except it's very long. I know you'll you'll fail a little but when a lot yeah drop in that knowledge all this shit gotta gotTa do it. We Love you o Jima. So have you guys. Thanks for coming coming. Eleven see you soon bye cartoon confidential cartoon confidential so today they were going to do a segment called cartoon confidential where we shall do a deep dive into a cartoon okay so let's do it. Let's get started on our first segment of cartoon confidential with pomp troll all right so let me summarize patrol is real quick. Patrol is the tale of six crime-fighting I'm fighting pops who speak in a town called Adventure Bay squad. The patrol is run by a ten year old. Boy Writer are who's evidently from the Jersey Lilly looks like Bali deed and the whole story is just these pups solving very small misdemeanors very very small misdemeanors like a doc breaking because Jelly Jelly structure that starts to melt in the crabs eat away at the dock all right so let's let's go into this. My first question is where riders parents it. He's true. He's a ten year old boy. He got a dope crib. I don't even think that's his house. The lives there no the adventure tower. I can't believe what is this what else hostesses what does bed. I've seen dog. It's even the dogs they sleep in their cars the Jews as yeah it's true they oats the lookout tower. Sorry so the lookout tower I have one in my home. They have cars at the bottom. They all sleep in their damn. George Sumed that writer lived his house if he doesn't look like their bedrooms in the in the lookout towers he takes a lot of work with his hair better job of Jesse short business right right there but here's the other thing who is funding the paw patrol because let's not be parents died and they left on this huge inheritance ten and that's how he wants to spend it has to be funded by the state or government somehow because a they fight crime and the city's city is into into the city that has two mayors one mayor looks like the monopoly guy mayor and Mayor Goodwin. He's an evil guy with cats which is propagating waiting for Henry alleging him but he's propagating the theory that cats are terrible and evil. Why does every evil personality cat also never trust a man that carries razer out of five cats with the redoubtable travels on their kitty carrier. He uses that as a car. Okay also the cats in cages. The dogs are which I mean that's okay. The dogs are the ones that talk and no other animal talks why there's that farmer that has all all these other animals and none of those my favorite hair. I thought I just want to say to whoever actually is responsible for chick Letta. Thank you achieve a town mascot to know she's ways like prized possessions because their statues the mayor loves her. The mayor should not be able to decide what statues but I also want to say that viewer responded to my confession and this amazing email l. she said my husband and I have answered all the questions you raised the US Department of Defense is funding the island which is in the Galapagos that that explains the dogs are genetically. Gli modified as are the humans humans reached peak intelligence at about thirteen then go through an intellectual regression. We have put too much thought into Papa troll. This woman and her husband and her partner have out yeah. You want to be best friends. Did we just become best friends because that is so good. If you have a cartoon your child forces forces you to watch day in doubt over and over and over and over and over and over again email us at speaks scary Mommy Dot Com and type cartoon confidential santeuil in the subject man. We can't wait analyze our new favorite thing confession time. Sh- passions all right. It's time drum roll now okay time for confession session every week. We tell her deepest darkest secrets to literally everybody. WHO's was listening. I'm going to start today all right. Thank you God. This is kind of embarrassing. I'm kind of embarrassed to announce this but I couldn't think of another confession this summer I have been dealing with this very strange skin thing where I get pimples on my neck and I cannot for the life of oily shirts. No I told this to somebody. This is why it's embarrassing. I said this to somebody and they were like. Do you not wash your neck. I was like yes thank. Thank you very much. I do wash my neck. I don't know what's your toddler where you have like Washer night areas my shampoo. ooh. Or something is like leaving your sheets. Maybe new washer. You're very meticulous about that. That's why I can't figure out what it is. Just got to be a hormonal. 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A History of Iconic Bravoleb Reunion Looks (with Big Blonde Hair)

Bravo TV's Daily Dish

26:38 min | 1 year ago

A History of Iconic Bravoleb Reunion Looks (with Big Blonde Hair)

"Hi. I'm Megan Sarah and I'm Eric J Maxx the daily Dish Bravo's official podcast. We are here with Lawrence Sebastian from big blond hair. Hey Lauren Hey Eric. How you doing good how are you. I'm great happy to be here. I know thanks for coming back. We had a meeting a couple months last year. Maybe last year that so good to see I guess so tell our listeners a little bit about your blog instagram account and exactly what it is so basically big blond hair dot com is your destination. If you want to know what the real housewives lives are wearing and where you can buy it so we identify things as you see them on the episode pretty much and also on instagram and then you can come to our side or instagram and shot the items and do you often thin pair some of the items that may not be super affordable for the every person with some alternatives that maybe are a little bit more in a budget we do we started. You knew more of that. We've always done style steelers so we items that are less but sometimes we find stuff. That's cuter that costs more money but we have started to do a lot more complete the look collages and that sort of thing where people can shop for less so actually if you had to pick your top three three best dressed bravo liberties. Who would they be okay so this is not a housewife but tracy tutor million dollar list okay my favorite gotTa have her closet. I would go after it. I love Baffoni Style and then I love like a Dorito earn Erica Jane just because they're so interesting. They always give you a look but there are so many things that I love about so many of them that it's very it's very hard to decide. which franchise of the housewives do you think think as a whole is the most fashionable? Beverly Hills feel like they give it to us the most consistently and you know. There's something about not being able to afford it but makes makes it more appealing right. Well just thinking back on this past season when Denise Richards was introduced and that I like cocktail hour that they went to and she was everyone's like Oh. It's casual don't even worry about it and she shows up in shorts and a tank top and the rest of them gals. I thought it was casual guys that made me so obsessed with Pero me love her but it was hilarious right so today we are going to talk about. Some of the best dressed ladies at reunions ends so this is not just housewives. We're GONNA get into a little some other franchises because we have some very fashionable people across southern charm. Maybe a Catherine Dennis for example example. So why don't we start most recently with our girl Bethany. Yes for season eleven reunion look. She always brings that she is my reunion a union queen look that she has. I just feel like she does no wrong. The Bauman Metallic stress that she wore with Jimmy Choo Tool Bo heels. It was just perfect. Her hair was so sleek it was just it was perfection and that's what we want to see every time she totally nailed it. Do you think when you watch some of these reunions unions you can tell that maybe there's a sort of theme that they're going with because we've heard that from the wives in the past that they often get assigned theme from production and then they kind of have to work with that so what do you think this theme. What did that speak to you. I thought very like Seventies Retro Studio Fifty Four. I feel like that was the vibe I got from. Bethany yeah logged logged in terms of bow main. Do see a lot of other celebrities who rocket as well as Bethany or maybe better I mean I love like an Erica. Jane Internet to read and I feel like every celebrity has them in their closet in the house ways of all kinds of gotten on board with that but I will say Bethany has the most in her closet. I think she must have persistent must have slept outside of h h Beaumont out because she got everything from to along with all the original orgin Obama so they all they all have a little piece of it but I do think Erika. Jayne really brings that when she wears it to absolutely staying on Bethany Frankel to to her season nine reunion dress. Let's talk a little bit about that. Oh yeah the long- Brad Alexander McQueen gown at how to like a bow or tying hiring neck it was also a departure from what she did this season but also looked amazing on her. She does what works for her and it's. It's not always the kiss consistent style. I guess this was a little more glamour Bohemian with along duress but it also is a look that totally worked for her. I absolutely love Alexander McQueen like any of the suits that I see. I'm like if I were to get married. It would be an Alexander McQueen suit and it's one of those things where I feel like especially with this kind of fashion Ashen House it can change so much over the years but I feel like Alexander. McQueen has always been so consistent and it just every year they deliver something that is so glamorous amorous. Oh beautiful and in some ways simple but detail oriented which I really really love I totally agree and I love a skull and I can always go back to queen to make me feel okay about wearing right right. It's like it's not in that like Ed hard in the world that we're all trying to escape from like the early two thousands Jersey shore eras so thank you McQueen for all of that. What about Bethany season ten reunion look that is probably my favorite Rian. Look at where you can actually still buy it at Nordstrom. It's Bhai Willoughby five grand but just he was so whimsical and the tool and the metallic stars. It was such a soft look for Bethany but there's something about it. Just it's hands down. My favorite look upper a reunion in terms of it being a soft look for her. Do you think maybe Bethany tries to pair her outfits with how she wants to be perceived at reunion because that is when you are in the hot seat. I think a lot of one zero I think she's a very very smart woman and it would not shock me at Albright. Albright knows what she's doing that. I believe that to be true and I don't know if she has a stylus that helps her with a but definitely sends a message Edward think yeah I mean going back to the main dress from this most recent reunion. I wonder if this was her sort of like send-off dress where she was. I'm going to be leaving next season so this is going to be my final like statement piece. Oh that's a good thought that's my theory that good theory. I feel like let's talk about some of the Bravo liberties who have made the most improvements in terms of fashion so we actually had Catherine Dennis in here at the beginning of this last season listen of southern charm and right now I mean her nickname around the offices Queen Catherine because she absolutely is crushing in everything she wears these days but we asked stir about some of her earlier looks when you really think about it I mean she was so young when the show started and we all made questionable decisions when we were young at like I mean I have pictures of myself from high school with like the double popped collar because I wanted to be so like preppy and then I went abroad to London my junior year of college and I was like I need to stop dressing so American. You know like this so I can relate as I'm sure you can. Oh my gosh there were some questionable fashion choices. You made back in the day. Oh my gosh is everything from juicy. tracksuits to von. Dutch tank tops. I mean sky brand hops things to the real housewives of Orange County I could go. I've had a lot of questionable fashion choice so I agree with Catherine she was. She's been with a baby through all of us so I think that she's come a long way though like you guys said right. Where do you think the shift came. Do you think it was a shift in her. Confidence was just hiring a stylus like who's to say right. That's a good thing it was a shift in her. Confidence does seem to correspond with kind of when she got everybody back at her side and people finally started to see that she was not the bad guy. Yeah I think it definitely is just a sign of her maturing and getting some confidence with a group and she I mean she looks studying this year right Let's talk about the season season five reunion dress. That was one of my favorites. I mean we had some. We had some boo bitch going on there. Well my question into in terms of the booby when you wear a dress like that as a man I do not totally no but do you have to like contour like makeup with that. I I don't have that much going on so it's a lot of bronze or tape and she definitely you know just to keep everything in there and I mean she. She does look the dress was a Michael Costello dross. He doesn't align with revolve now and he is dressed the housewives forever so I can't. He's sure it was a collaborative effort. They both liked it and it felt good at the time well. Let's talk about her most recent reunion look which I thought was stunning. I little shoulder action. So what did you think about that. I loved at the mark as the gown dodging body hills. I love like the tool shoulder action. she just the way they did her hair to sometimes they don't get it right. You know a hairstylist can they can have as much of an impact on a reunion look or a look as anybody else that the hair is not right. It can kind of really distract from the outset everything with the way our hair is to the side and you know the leg of the pick that we're looking at just everything was right about it. Her makeup was perfect. I'm she just you know. She has gotten the best revenge anybody yet so true yeah with this particular. Look when you do like the shoulder action on one side. Is it important to do the the hair on the other side for balance or would it be. Could you rock that with like a high pony in the back. I like this for this. Look but I do think either something something to the other side or something with the hair back for like a high pony or something like that I agree with you. I don't think there should be too much going on definitely not a lot of hair where the all the application in tool as the metric look right. I have two questions for you in regards to this particular reunion because this was something we talked about in the podcast number one. Naomi was very tan was that to Tan for your taste nothing I ah of the age where I used to spray tanning or I usually go tanning all the time. I've been known to rock to dark spray. I think it's better than being pale. I'll give her yeah yeah. It was a little like it was a little much for me was that she's so beautiful that I think she's still pulled it off yeah I do. I could've been a little bit lighter. I do agree agree with you but it's not like anything's. GonNa make her look super bad and you also don't really know until you get under the lighting. How it's going to look like that's kind of the curse of those things. Sometimes things things are very different in different lights. Yes very different and maybe that's what happened. My second question from this reunion was a lot of people what were coming for Chelsea about her look and saying that she is not one of the more fashionable people I wasn't so critical of her look because as a man you you know I'm sort of like okay. It has to be a really bad dress or bad. Look for me to think anything of it but I I mean I was. Kinda surprised by the fan backlash. We saw their people more nuts about it instagram page. They hated it. Despite my no negative comments please or negative comments weeded in the bio. Nobody listens. They hated it and I think there was anything to hate. I don't know what it is. If it wasn't very southern style is a little different and I don't think it necessarily Azali fit into that but the breaking the dress Zhivago they all wear it. Everybody loves it I with you. I did not think that was a bad luck right and of course of all the people to come for. It's like Chelsea. Come on yeah and it's so funny but I also think she's a very casual fan because with her we will get requests for you know a plain not short but is impossible to find a lot of people like her style and maybe what they like about it. Is They Lake something. That's more relatable for them new era. Maybe that was too much yeah yeah. That makes sense ends and I I. I liked aware that actually good to now. I WanNa talk next about some of the biggest risk takers that we see eh and the first person that comes to mind for me of course is jury of course most recently with her senior season nine reunion. Look look yes. We add some hairclips. We had a scrunchy. We had this metallic dress. What did you think of that. Look I mean I love that. I some people were like that's ridiculous and I'm like yeah. That's why I like it like she knows how to. She knows how to wear it the clips we will talk about those clips forever what this is about right yeah and I I loved the drafts. Actually that was on to just the liquid sequence. I thought it looked something about it. It just it works for me. I like to look. I like something to look at when I turn on the reunions and I want to look at that. She's beautiful. Her boobs look great mayor like she took a page out of Catherine's book but yeah in those clips are actually available shop now if anybody wants but it's like a collab- with her hair stylist Justin Justin Marr John. I don't know if that's how you say it but you can get those clips for it yourself if you want and how. How much do you think just like her head costs in this look like with all of those you know. I remember how it's clips are they. The thirty two I mean there is a couple hundred dollars in there. I would say at least look. It's funny because Meghan my co-host. She is the show producer for beverly Everley Hill so she goes to the reunions and I remember when she came back. We were talking about you know my first question. Whenever someone comes back from a reunion taping who is the best dressed and she said debris and then and I saw all of the looks and I was like really debris and then after I kind of compared it with some of the other looks of the other ladies this this season I was like okay you know what she went for it. That's kind of what you're supposed to do with these reunions yeah at this point you know back in the day. I remember some of the earliest house is Reunion. It's wearing jeans and like tank tops in someone's backyard yeah. I think that's so funny. I was going through old clips to just you know prep for this and I was like oh my gosh some of the season one reunion it's ridiculous. It's funny and cute you but it just shows like how the style of all of them has evolved so much and how it's gotten so next level with everybody what's next no absolutely what about. Doreen rates season six reunion dress thought that was really beautiful. Yeah it's like the Purple Fuchsia Lemay look the shoulder pads and the earrings just another of those long earrings hearings just like another look very seventies inspired and just another statement maker she has. She has a look of her own and her stylus jasmine. Jasmine Gonzales says I feel like does a very good job. who's also great person does a very good job with her this look. I just want to take that dress. Wrap a bit over myself as like a cosy blanket like it looked so soft and I'm gonNA email. I feel like you could wear it to work. It's great else do think is one of the biggest risk-takers I mean. Duri was the first that came to mind for me but in terms of any other ladies I mean I he Erica also really always brings a look. I mean I always go to Eric has confessional looks i. We're talking about bringing a look to something but I also also thinks she's just never afraid to make statement either this year with her the blue dress that she wore it wasn't necessarily you know it wasn't as bold as Dory's marites look but it was kind of old world glam looking with the way she did her hair and I think she just always makes a statement here. No matter what she's in I think nurture yeah. She's sort of like lady Gaga in the sense that I feel like everything she does is kind of performance. There's always some story being told and she it is not afraid to look a little wacky but I think she always pulls it off in a very chic way yeah. I was just looking at her. Look from Marc Jacobs show it was a look not afraid but I love seeing her fashion week in all her different outfits to just prove that she just its performance like you said you gotTa. I love it. There was a huge presence this past fashion week with housewives everywhere. Kyle had her own show. Tinsley walked in Garo Sparrows a fashion show and I. I think they were filming Ronie from that so that'll be hopefully we'll get to see that but I was so surprised to see all of that. I was like Oh my goodness amazing. I know in the Beverly Hills making the pages of vogue dot com like well pages web pages blocking the runway like who would've thought I mean even when the show started or I started the site that they're fashion would get to vote. It's crazy. I love it. It's amazing. It is amazing what about now some of the most expensive reunion look so we just talked about how these ladies have really upgraded from the beginning from their jeans and t-shirts in a backyard due to these glamorous designer dresses who has had some of the most expensive looks okay well another franchise. I think that always always brings it as a whole as Atlanta like they always look amazing at the reunions and of course the competition for most expensive dresses between Kim Zodiac bearman an and Nina leaks from my records anyway so of course I don't know if they were trying to outdo each other intentionally but it did happen so oh I wore a red fringed mark as a guy on these intense and that gown went for almost ten thousand dollars originally Italy so that was an expensive piece and then Kim Zell's bearman did when back when a few seasons ago she did a purple Cavalli gown and it was like embellished and strapless and almost had like an embellished butterfly on it and that went for nine grand assuming they paid the full amount for the dresses like that is a pretty penny and you know those ladies like to accessorize too so that was not the complete price tag of the look right well first of all with this. Kim Look the butterfly always reminds me of Mariah Carey so I could see Mariah Carey rocking. Something like this actually thought it was very pretty yeah definitely. Do you think these women often by their own dresses or is it where the designers will send it to them because we we know that about other celebrities on the red carpet. If they're going to premieres they don't always choice necessarily. Keep the item. Maybe send it back so do you think these are all purchased and hanging in a closet. I know for fact summer purchase but I do not know about all right. It's just crazy to think that these cost as much as a wedding dress and it almost is like a wedding dress because you're only probably gonNA wear it once. You're not going to be caught out in union. Look somewhere else. You know what I mean yeah more than my wedding dress coming up we have the real housewives of Potomac reunion and the theme was all white so speaking of wedding dresses. There was almost like a wedding dress theme going on here. So what did you think of these white looks. I was obsessed real like never would've thought of doing just fine monochromatic color green and whoever's idea that was genius. I think it looks they look beautiful together and I think they all did a very good job of not making it to wedding dresses. You know I think the ally they all did a good job of kind of finding finding the right Ross for them. I really like the idea looking at candidates. She has another one of these sort of shoulder action things and she did the sort of hair on the other side talk to balance it. She did a very similar look. You should check it out if you haven't seen it yet for the real housewives of Potomac after show and all that so she loves this sort shoulder embellishment so I like that she's incorporating that into a lot of her kinda staple looks this season yeah. What did you think about Ashley's dress. I'm there's there's a lot going on there. There is a lot going on there she was. I was watching the video on Bravo. TV Dot carbon cheese like you know it was five weeks postpartum so for for that right I mean she looks amazing like five weeks. After I had my kids I was like I don't even WanNa talk about it. I think if it's something that she he was comfortable in it was good the Cape thing. I'm not really well. Selene dedicate a few recently so we'll say it's been on the runway you you know it's unique and if she felt good on it. I think it was a good choice for her. I've seen a lot of feedback about Giselle. 's Look yes and people kind of being a little negative about it. I actually love it. I do to eleven jumpsuit. I Love I just love the lace. She is beautiful in everything I feel like I really loved it and I thought it was really original and we've seen other jumpsuits on the reunions but we haven't seen one. That really looks like this yes. I think it looks great honor. I'm a little biased because I love Karen Huber but I feel like this look is so youthful on her and it's like it cuts her her age in half. I think she looks incredible. I can never I don't even know how old she actually is but I do know that this I agree. I think she looks great. In I mean I would not look doc great and that draws right now. I know him oil younger. At least she looks starting the High Pony. I love it. I think she did a great job. Robbins look okay so Robbins look to me is very well. She said it's very in the in the video. She said you know it's very a romantic look so I thought maybe it was a tribute to her and WanNa wear tattooed heart ratings. That isn't going to be like wedding vise. Maybe she's feeling very romantic. One do about it is that it's by mccollum. You can buy it online if you want. A lot of the other pieces were custom-made so you can buy it at forward by at least Walker or if you like it I thought she looked nice that if she were to get remarried to one and she could wear one of the other ladies dresses. Who would you pick for her. ooh Hello Giselle jumped. I was thinking the same thing because it would be a second wedding so maybe you wouldn't do the traditional dress you would do something. That's more of like Keno pantsuit type of thing. I think she should ask Ellen borrow that. I think she should ask us for advice. If she married again next time she comes in. We'll play audio. We have some ideas in terms of reunion trends that you see. What do you think works the best. You like address. You like a pantsuit. Where do you see reunion looks going. I love sequin. We'll tell you that I mean. There's something about but they just WanNa see you very dressed up but there have been a lot of jumpsuits like they tear Merwin maintain started herself that was very affordable notable and it was season twelve and it was like a hundred dollar jumpsuit and people love the relatable factor of that because a lot of people went out and bought that and then like in New Jersey the the last Reunion Melissa Gorge had went on Margaret had one that was like seek wins Zebra and Turquoise and there was there was a lot going on there now I would just dowell and then on the southern charming in Danny and Madison were wearing them so maybe you know the next thing is everybody. They've spent a lot of money and they've gotten so dress doc. Maybe people are going to start looking at jumpsuits indifference aisling option. I it's funny you bring up Madison because we were talking about how we had a theory that she wore white because because shop kept calling her white trash. Ooh I think she didn't actually when we had her in for the interview. She said no connection there digging trying. You know like whatever fine yeah I well he. He did her a favour because she looked great. Yeah in terms of you told us your favorite dressed housewives. The people who follow you on Instagram who do they think is the best dressed in terms of a franchise or or or an individual okay there are there are just there's someone for everyone. People Love Kyle Richards either. It's it's a very with her. You either love it or hate it but there's a lot of people that really love it. People love Tamra because they can access her looks. Thanks a lot of times they can buy. It's wearable Adam. She has good style and it's very easy. People Love Tinsley. If I have not spoken of Tinsley People Love Tinsley and people stop the allot pop. 'em Cameron eubanks. I could go on people. Love People Love Cameron too but she's you know she's always like. 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FuseBox Radio #598: DJ Fusion's FuseBox Radio Craft Beer & Quarantine Music Mix #8 (B-Girl Post-Brunch Blunt #3)

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42:51 min | 6 months ago

FuseBox Radio #598: DJ Fusion's FuseBox Radio Craft Beer & Quarantine Music Mix #8 (B-Girl Post-Brunch Blunt #3)

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Dana Thomas' 'Book of Hope' | Inside Fashion

The Business of Fashion Podcast

49:03 min | 1 year ago

Dana Thomas' 'Book of Hope' | Inside Fashion

"In this book isn't about fashion fashion is a way for me to speak about bigger topic this idea of sustainable stain -able fashion. It's been around for a long time but for some reason it's in the Zeitgeist anthem yet and it's transcending fashion. It's transcending business. It's everywhere. It's everywhere so we need to break as consumers are habit of buying for the sake of buying getting bored tossing it treating close as disposable at there. Is this notion out there. That are new generations care about this stop but when it comes to purchasing decisions they're going to the same company. How do we change the hell. That's why I wrote the book hello this is. Imran Ahmed founder and CEO of the business fashion welcome to inside fashion this this week on the podcast. I sit down with the very respected journalist and author Dana Thomas to discuss her new book fashioned novelists for the Book Book. Dana has traveled all around the world going inside the fashion industry trying to understand its impact on the people and the planet and through her journey. She's found some harrowing stories but also some optimism. She calls it a book for Hope so here's Dana Thomas Inside Passion Good Morning Dana Thomas Welcome to London and the business of fashion headquarters. Thank you for having me here. It's great. There's a lot to discuss today and and your book your new book Fashion Obelisk making headlines but before we dive into the details of the book I thought it'd be good to kind of introduce you to our listeners from all around the world who are tuning into inside fashion and just tell us a little bit about your career history. I mean you've been a journalist covering the fashion industry for a long time even before maybe the real journalist covering in fashion so how how did you get into this beat in the first place. It's funny I was working at the Washington Post in Washington and I was a news eight on the national desk and I had been studying politics and history and and had this dream of becoming a White House correspondent so that I was the news eight on the National Desk. Ask at a time when Malcolm Glide well Michael Isikoff and go on I four were correspondents on the National Desk. I was just so so excited was assigned the Katharine Graham Days Definitely under Ben Bradlee. I sat right in front of Ben Bradley's Office loved. Ben And one day NC fashion editor the legendary fashion editor Nina Hyde needed a new assistant because her assistant was taking leave to do an internship and she'd heard that I've been a model in Paris when I was a teenager and spoke French and some Italian and that probably I was the only person in the newsroom who spoke some French and Italian knew how to say and new givenchy was right and so she tapped me and said. Can you come work with me. This summer is the assistant on the fashioned desk and I thought okay fine that makes sense and it's for the summer but I still want to be a political correspondent correspondent. You want it to be a serious dry. I was I still am serious journalist but I wanted to cover the White House or capitol. Hill wanted like covered the Pentagon was on route and that that was my my goal and the first day I worked with her. It suddenly came together and made sense to me because I'd always seen my my modeling career as a way to fund by education to become a reporter. It never occurred to me that what I'd done in Paris and Milan as a teenager and in New York could actually feed into my journalism career and I could meld the two I just helped to finance that it would inform it it would inform it would be a core part of it wasn't like in its own box on the shell finished and Nina was not the sort of fashion writer who wrote just about hemlines and pink is the new black she because it was the Washington Post under Ben Bradlee did serious news writing and investigative pieces and also sent me out in the street to do street reporting which was great. She say you know it's lunchtime. I WanNa know what women are wearing in the street. Take a notebook. Go down and tell me comeback in write a story about the trends in Washington on the street. When nobody was doing that kind of woman she did a big investigative piece that I worked on about the bankruptcy of Christian aqua or how criminal equality caused the bankruptcy of PATU and criminal getting sued and the found founding of that company as it happened because the Patou family sued Christian Aqua and Lvmh for for him leaving from one day to the next to go start his own company under Lvmh and she got all the legal documents in French and had somebody translate? I saw how you you could take fashion and turn it into something that Woodward and Bernstein with Congo good job. You did a great job on that right so I decided that's what I wanted to do and I write about arts and I write about culture I was I came to Paris because I married a Frenchman and I wrote for The Washington Post and I did features for the style section like I've been doing it style style for some time I wrote about arts the cultural correspondent for Newsweek for fifteen years but all along the way I also covered fashion because I was in Paris and Newsweek it was thrilled to have somebody who knew how to write about fashion in Paris at helped the budget for travel and it was at a time when the business was changing very quickly from family run companies to global corporations and I was documenting that as it was happening from a business stand what years was this the nineties yeah throughout the nineties and a the damage was just starting to form you know pe- Pr was just had just started taking ownership of some of the one of the very first pieces I helped Nina work on was profile she was doing on John Franca Ray when Bernardo no hired him for Dior and I transcribed that whole interview for her and it was such a turning turning point because that was the first time Bernard Arnault had just taken over to your and then he had you know fired Mark Bowen had been there for thirty years and brought in this Italian ready to wear designer to to mature and what a scandal this was in Paris so I learned that there was you know there was some meat there was some grist. Nina considered and the fashion beat as important as politics and business at the Washington Post. I learned quickly that in fact it is politics and business. It's everything it's sociology geology. It's cultural anthropology. It's what it you can look at through fashion and right and see and right about everything the human condition an and I think I touched upon all of that in this book business the planet the Science the Human Condition Yeah. It's a very far-reaching bucket you now. The first book of yours. I read was deluxe. Actually how luxury lost its luster. No it just struck me as I was reading this one how you're covering a completely different part of the market so talk to me about. Why did you decide to write fashion apple. S. You know where where did the original idea come from well. It's interesting because I see it is a cousin to deluxe and deluxe was came out of that reporting. I was doing at Newsweek in the Washington Post in the nineties and early two thousands and that shift of the business from family owned to corporate global you know the globalization of fashion and I always said that that book was about Sacrificing Integrity for the sake of profit. That's what happened and it wasn't about fashion. I use fashion. Ashen to tell a bigger story interesting. The president of GM wife came up to me. She said you know my husband. Read this book. He was reading it. He read he said this isn't a book about fashion. It's a book about commerce exactly right so then I wrote the second book Gods and kings the rise and fall of Alexander McQueen John Galliano which for me was about the sacrificing of the creative for the sake of prophets and this kind of a trilogy and this is the third one in the trilogy and it's about sacrificing the planet and Humanity Mandy for the sake of prophets the idea of it came when I was on book tour for Deluxe and I met in the space of one afternoon one day hey three different people told me that they were re shoring business or keeping business in America manufacturing and the first one was Alex Bouillon an at Oscar de la Renta and he told me they had just bought the factory that made their evening gowns up in the Bronx and he said we really like having knowing and having the factory factory just up the road so we can go up and see what's going on and the family that owned. It didn't want to stay in the business anymore so they bought it to keep that manufacturing in the US is later in the day. I met somebody from Brooks brothers. Who told me that they were building and about to open this factory? which is well no now in? Long Island city to make their ties and was the first time they had brought manufacturing back to the United States or had manufacturing. US for years I said and remember who the third one was but there was a third one somewhere along the way that that day and I said they always say and fashion three things trend right right and in news three three things is a story right. There's something brewing here so I opened a file and put it on my desk doc. I wasn't ready to write a new book yet but I said there's something here and every time I saw anything about restoring. I clipped it and threw it in the file. I was about `Bout I was started working on the proposal and it was going to be more about reassuring the sustainability when I first started it when John had his meltdown at Dior and I put it all aside and work that book because it just I just knew those two. I realized that there was more there than just a story and I had so much on file Alan and spent so much time covering both Alexander McQueen and John Galliano's careers that it just seemed like something I should do when I circled back around after finishing that book I still was putting things in this file that was sitting on my desk like whenever anything came up about restoring I clipped it and put it in then I started noticing being the trend about sustainability often these two going hand in hand and the move the slow fashion movement and so the file was getting thicker and broader as it was becoming a book basically with chapters after a different ideas and when I finished at promoting gods and kings I sat down start working on the proposal again and it suddenly became making very clear and what was also very clear when I first started working on it five years earlier it was too soon and I could see from reports from stories from trends happening that if I kept on this and I did it quickly enough I would certainly it would come out just as this kind of peaking which is what's happened and every was how did you know and I said well. That's what we do. News we sort of try to see what's coming around the bend and then Pagar Story to it so interesting that you say that because you're towards the end of last year we hard our first sustainability correspondent Europeo off because this the sustainability you mentioned call it a trend earlier but this idea of sustainable fashion. It's been around for it yet. It's been around for a long time but for some reason it's in the Zeitgeist at the moment and and it's transcending fashion it's transcending business. It's everywhere everywhere exactly and that's why I say. This book isn't about fashion. It's fashion is a way for me to speak about a bigger topic because we all get dressed in the morning. We all have clothes in our closets. It's very easy to explain. This is how you're cotton. I'm sure is made and you look at the cotton shirt you like. Oh now I get it or this is how my blue jeans remain much sexier but it's also much more approachable than widgets it doesn't require an NBA NBA. It doesn't require an engineering degree there no graphs and diagrams in the book we have pictures of people picking cotton and making clothes and I think everyone can can relate to it and I also think quite honestly that most of us don't know how are closer made. Even the manufacturers are always very sure how the closer made so. I thought it's time to explain a bit like The omnivores dilemma talks about food and fast food nation talks about fast food dude. I wanted to do the same that as they did but about fashion one of the things you argue in the book which I think a lot of people also don't know as just how many people work in the fashion industry around the world so not enormous not only do we all get dressed every day but I think it says one in six people in the where where did that stat come from and how you remembered by but there's a footnote yeah. I'll go look at the footnote but it's an enormous number of people enormous and that is from cotton farmers to retailers. It's it's the gamut but it's more than agriculture and it's more than defense because it is such a broad reaching industry industry. It takes so much to make a jacket or t shirt or a pair of jeans and sell them and and get them to you in your closet. It is an enormous network. You know oh I think when the chapters is is is called field to form and somebody else calls it dirt to dress you know I heard all these really great sayings that sort of summit up that you know he does go from dirt to your closet and that's a long path. It's a it's a two point four trillion dollar industry today and it wasn't that it's you know it's grown grown six times in thirty years ethic it was a hundred or five hundred billion in in the late eighties early nineties in large part. That's because of fast fashion you know pushing opening stores globally and just you know amping camping up production amping of sales and the fact that you know people go into Zara seventeen times a year and come out with bags of clothes that the average garment today's worn seven times before thrown away and in China. I was told it's three times just showing the cycle going faster in production sit ah sales consumption and then on on the level on that level fast fashion high street fashion but also in luxury fashion because luxury to compete and or just to keep you know keep up reset its cycle and Co and clock to the fast fashioned clock so now you know there's there's there's fashion weeks all the time and their collections and drops all the time and they want you to do the same as czar income in the store as much as you can and even if you buy one thing and each time you come in five times a year that's better than coming in once and so the whole thing has just created this mountain of closed as volume volume volume. It's all about volume and there's only so many places we can put the ones we're throwing away and that's when I started investigating circularity which is just bubble bubble fourth while I was working on the book. One thing that hasn't changed in fashion that you argue in the book however is that it's always been an industry. The employs a voiceless millions and millions of people. There's always been these hidden secrets of people toiling away in on acceptable condition. Only two percent of the people who work in manufacturing of garments are paid a living wage only two percent yeah and their far flung now. It wasn't always that way. It wasn't always the case you know. Globalization really changed the way everything the thing was made and I wanted to show that in the book and the big shift came with the United States with Nafta the passage of Nafta in the early nineteen nineties the North American Free Trade Agreement and that seat had been sown by Ronald Reagan back in nineteen seventy nine when he declared his candidacy for president resident he said I want to open the borders between Canada. The United States in Mexico make a free trade zone a bit like Europe accept the differences in Europe. We we have Brussels overseeing everything and being a regulatory agency innocence telling you know that you have to you have to respect this and that you tall butchers must do this. All cafes must do that. You must have a handicap accessible restrooms all that coming out of Brussels technocrats we don't have that with with. Nafta is just open borders so that's the problem with the offshoring movement that came out of the Nafta passage is that all these jobs as Ross Perot predicted with a giant sucking sound down to Mexico but one of the reasons besides cost lost that they went to Mexico and why cost is so cheap and Mexico is because there's no oversight for safety and health restrictions and and and it's an unregulated labour mark unregulated labor market so they can charge nothing for the Labor and it can be done in sweatshops and that's when the sweatshop the movement exploded again after it contained down during the new deal in the Nineteen Thirties Francis Perkins's labor secretary the Fair Are Labor Standards Act and the rest of that the that and the and the rise of unions you know that the problems of things like the disasters like the triangle waste waist factory fire of in the early nineteen hundred nineteen hundreds disappeared between the wars and it came back after Nafta because all these jobs I went to Mexico and then down the peninsula into Central America and then across the Pacific and the and the farther away they got got the less oversight there was the less knowledge there was about an and the supply chain became increasingly fractured to the the point that no one knew where those were being made so you have this force of globalization and you know borders you disappearing disappearing and you know unreal unregulated labor markets and lot lack of oversight over how close are being made you have the rise of fast fashion and a speeding up of the delivery and drops of clothes and collections and then you have technology technology to talk about the role technology plays technology seems to be the hope. I called this book the Book of hope it starts out super down the first of the CIA the first for third the book. You're GONNA come through and be like oh my gosh. That's really bad you. When I talk about Rana Plaza and I talk about the nineteenth century I talk about basically that all the problems were complaining about right now aw we're exactly what moved Florence Kelley in the late nineteenth century to come up with things like the white tag to tell you that your clothes were not made in sweatshops and and weren't going to kill you because they were infected with tuberculosis too bad baton persist over all those years right the white tag or the tuberculosis so yeah the the white tag and maybe you know somebody can come up with the white tag again so by call this the book of hope because in the last section the future of close section of the book we have technology stepping in and correcting many of the environmental as well as human rights infractions in the business in when it comes to pollution you have companies like Gina Loggia in Valencia Spain that have come up with a way to distress and washed denim that is far cleaner and and safer where they use lasers cleanroom run from computers in another clean room and there's vacuum systems at suck up all the dust instead of like the a factory I visited in Ho Chi Minh City where folks were sanding and Rasping the genes by hand not wearing masks and inhaling all this dust tossed the indigo dust the fibers the cotton and then one hundred degrees were giant fans blowing it all around it was insane sane and they do this all day long with these machines that sound like Dennis drills and lasers. It's clean it's silent. It's air conditioned. It's effective. It's it's cost effective and it creates better jobs as well these jobs where you learn to run computers. You're not just sitting thing. They're sanding something. What about cotton which is another you talk a little bit in the book about organic cotton whenever I've looked Sally Fox Fox's mother organic cotton organic cotton is so hard to come by right this so little of it available in the market and so I don't thank you. Dan is actually made of cotton too right. Select Denim is one of those problematic materials that we work within the fashion industry because not only billion pairs of jeans a year and one of the most common garments that anyone at new. It's everyone wears jeans right so any given moment half the planet is wearing denim right so if every if any given given moment half the planet is wearing denim and denim is made of cotton and denim is often treated and chemically DA- pted and an Anthony Nash Synthetic Indigo which has things like cyanide and Emily Shire Denim and cotton combined together are such problematic doc materials and are so commonly warned you know how what have you learned about the opportunity on the content side well. It's really interesting there. I learned a lot about cotton while working on this book. ninety nine percent of our cotton today is genetically modified. GMO's and often it is treated with roundup. It's called roundup ready so that the seeds around ready to be then sprayed with round up so you can control all of the weeds and estimate a pesticide pesticide roundup. That's being banned in places. I think the state of California Cornea just bound got rid of round up as I said it's poisonous. No kill you now. The organic cotton movement is not is taking root so to speak but very soon slowly because through the GMO's and through manhandling basically chemical manhandling. There's a system has been developed where you can produce four times more cotton per acre and cotton's paid by the yield because cotton is paid by the yield. If you can get four times more cotton out of your field you're making more money. It's a bit like like the cow whose fed hormones to produce four times more milk and then the all the problems that go with the cow being milked four times as much carrying four times more milk. You know the wait of it. The the hormones in the milk will cotton. That's been manhandled to the point of producing four times. More per plant causes big big problems like it needs four times more water. That's why they say. Continents at thirsty plan cotton on its own organic cotton is not a thirsty plant in fact it needs is to be stressed to blossom and do well. It's the it's the new cotton. The new genetically modified lab lab created cotton. That's thirsty and then all the chemicals ago on it to create make it easy to harvest to keep away the past. It's all of it. It's dirty dirty dirty but it's productive and cut organic. Cotton has a hard time fighting against this people. Let's say organic cotton is expensive. I feel like organic. Cotton would be like organic vegetables that the more we have it. The price will go down in in every regard that farmers farmers will not have to spend so much to grow it and then the people and consumers will not have spent so much to buy it still. McCartney is a force behind this she sources from some farmers in Egypt who come up with some beautiful old organic lines of cotton that had had gone almost extinct and they've they brought them back. It's Egyptian cotton. She says I don't see why the whole luxury industry isn't only using organic cotton because it's not like like we produce gigantic volume we should end. It is seen as a luxury. Why aren't we doing this. It does cost more now but the more people use it it will cost less and could eventually tip forward and so we have organic cotton more than one percent which it should be. It should be my friend. Nina Morenz frenzy who runs this company called Sustainable Angle. She told me about him as being a great alternative to cotton. Yes I write about Nina and her and her program Graham in the book. She's terrific. Gosh when I went to see all the cool fabric she has made out of all sorts of things like rhubarb apple waste and pineapple waist. I thought this is this is the future fashion exactly we'll give hope now so hemp is definitely. I mean as the pot business keeps growing vertically. We surely do have a lot of hemp hanging around righty used to so do feel like it could be it could be used more hemp. Akini very cool and I met some designers in Tennessee not that we're growing hemp and turning it into fabric for the fabric industry it's go state by state in the United States because of the pot laws right and there are a lot of people who just say you know that's just pot in close. It's like bomb. No actually it's not it could be part of the future fashion also oh flax. I think we need to go back to the big. Four basically wool cotton silk and flax flax is great flags can grow. Oh just about anywhere it does not as thirsty. Isn't it just lives. It's rainwater keeps it going. It likes poor soil. It's like nearly the impossible to kill so you know it's it's a an yes blue linen wrinkles but you can do linen silk blends and with the Silk Doc is coming out of Silicon Valley which still McCartney has been behind a both threads part of the technology movement. Is this company that's creating Silk Silk Spinning silk in laboratories out of DNA and grown in a lab and it's called spider silk because it's using the same technology technology. Basically I guess you'd say the same system for spinning silk that spiders do Stella had the first dress made it she designed and had it produced and it was part of the exhibition at the Moma to ago is fashion modern. She then did a couple pieces for an exhibition at the Vienna last year about sustainability and fashion and she's working bolt threads silk into her collection and it should be there should be pieces pretty soon in the next year so and you could blend that with flax and then have fabric that doesn't wrinkle on top of their plenty of options of taking the old and the new what I found with the book and doing the research I learned so much anyway but what I found and I think this is the way forward is taking old preindustrial revolution ideas and practices and melting them with the digital age technology. We have today like blending silk grown in a lab and spun in a lab with flax six from Belgium. They're all sorts of cool ways you know Natalie Chan and in Florence Alabama has her direct consumer company. Eh where she sells everything via the Internet but it's all made to order and handmade of organic cotton so she's taking pre industrial revolution Lucien practices of slow fashion but then using the digital technology to get consumers everywhere so you call it the book of hope and so you think that's a really nice way to end your trilogy in a way because the first two books weren't super hopeful. I'd still makes me Wonder Dana. You know a lot of the solutions presented you know especially the technology solutions are really exciting in terms of impact on the planet but I still worry worry a lot about the impact on the people you know and it's this fast fashion consumption engine and honestly consumers insatiable desire for new things that keep that system going so. How do we address those two things. How do we address the loss of jobs. The loss of will not the loss of jobs necessarily at the beginning I mean the the cycle that continues to produce clothes that are still in a way many created by hand and will continue to be created by hand because as you've said one in six people in the world you know somehow is employed by fashion and then secondly way. How do we address the consumer appetite which is just constantly consume if people are only wearing the garments on average seven times and then is in new pathology that was created because of fast fashion yeah. So how do we address those two things I with the loss of jobs. I you know that's the regular arguments trotted out. Every time technology comes around the s what people argued when Arkwright in created the water frame and opened the first factories in Manchester stuff that there's a loss of jobs. It's a creation of different kinds of jobs mean when they added robots to the lines in in Detroit. Yes there was job loss of those kinds of basic jobs of putting together because the robots doing it but then somebody had to build robots somebody had to design the robot somebody had to run the robots and that's what I saw Gina Loggia which is really interesting in in Valencia. They have a school to teach workers to to learn how to run the lasers and you become a later laser technology specialist store. They also have these machines that use wash jeans with less water so it only uses one one glass of water and supposed to gallons and gallons and gallons and gallons and gallons of water and that one glass of water is recycled seaney people to run those machines and and that's what I saw in Vietnam when I went from sweatshop that was doing everything by hand and in these big old washing machines with water everywhere and die everywhere and everyone's hands black and and was just such a filthy seen to this clean pristine silent air conditioned factory filled with people who weren't strung out and weren't sick and they had good jobs and they had good paying jobs. A lot of people argued that the garment industry is creating jobs for people in poverty and raising them out of poverty. I have been to Bangladesh. I have been to Vietnam. I have seen these people in the garment industry and all we're doing is raising them. From extreme poverty to poverty were not lifting them up to the middle class far far far from sat down with Kalpana actor who who's a doc right who who's just wonderful. She's amazing. She spoke at voices last year. We've gotten to know component. She's like we need those jobs. They need. They don't need those jobs. We jobs they raise. So how do you see that how'd jaw bone bash. That's the difference you need good jobs so if you have so bought in Bangladesh you know you need people to step in and fix them when when the so butts got off track. You need people to run the so bots and you're so you're you're basically giving them skills. You're you're creating a higher level of work and and you're creating and you have managers. It's going to cost cost more to employ them and that's the resistance Bangladesh manufacturers like paying worker sixty dollars a month. They don't WanNa have to pay them a hundred and twenty one hundred fifty or two hundred dollars a month because they're better skilled workers but that's how you raise them from poverty to middle class somebody the along. The way has to take a hit in their profits. The the garment industry thus why wrote this book is a mirror of what we talk about in income inequality that is just ravaging society today that you have a slim view that one percent and that point one percent who are just so wildly rich they make the nineteen twenties seem quaint and then you have a broad broad you know lower lo lower class working class but poverty around the world that just cannot get out of it because they're working for that. Uber rich or just banking all the profits. My husband tease me when he read this and said you books a little bit. Marxist my dear and I think it is and you know maybe it's time after unbridled capitalism capitalism in the unbridled glow age of globalization with this extraordinary wealth gap just growing wider every day. Maybe it's time for a dose of Marx's. Maybe we need to go back to angles and say you know this isn't right and it's not right that Mr Zara Mr Ortega who owns Zara is worth sixty eight billion dollars a year and he's paying those people to make those clothes how much pennies pennies you you know that they don't want to invest in making the factories safer in Bangladesh or invest in their workers and giving them skills that actually are have value they want to just just keep these you know basically these human machines working like in metropolis the Fritz Lang movie that inspired the title for the Book so Oh I'm super pro technology in the garment industry because I think it's going to make everybody live a better life as opposed to the system we have now where it's the haves and the half knots and the owners and they're not slaves but they're not far above it and you do have indentured entered. Labor in the garment industry and you do have child labor in the industry and we don't wish this is a way to get rid of all of that so when you talk to companies like index wchs or AGM or prior mark or any of these companies that populate that part of the market where they are effectively eh preying upon these people to create clothes at prices which are just like if you as we speak Dacian Lee at came to voices and a first this year and she said something that you're stuck in my head which is like you know if you if you can buy a t-shirt for less than the cost of a sandwich what who had to pay the price to make that t-shirt whereas david-weill who was at the Department of Labor under Obama is now the Dean Dean at Brandeis was saying he said there is no such thing as a bargain somewhere along the way someone paid the dockery so when you talk to those companies and I'm sure you try to talk to them for this book. What what's their reaction it. It seems like a simple argument. They knows don't return phone calls. They were too busy to talk to you. has there been any reaction from the company since your book has come. Emma no but it's only been a week right yeah when when I reached out to Zara just write about their pop up store last fall here. We're too busy to talk to you. You okay so no I mean it's business is business is done it seem it seen in the business community as as normal as envious as how it as the business model one of the things. I WANNA do is go speak at business schools calls and say you know maybe this isn't how business should be done yeah crunch than what I love for example at caring is the whole thing thing they've come up with the EPA now because it's not just crunching numbers to make more numbers to make profits and looking at the numbers on paper deeper and saying you know well these workers are paid this much and then we can make this much money but it's crunching numbers to see the impact on the planet and then uh when you make those numbers better your profits get better too because it's good business to be environmentally responsible. I would love up to see an HP L. A. human profit and loss in the book. I have this wonderful moment where Maria Cornejo of New York designer in downtown. New York says calls all of this the false economy and she said you know I used to work for a major company that would fly me to Hong Kong where I was sent to nickel and dime manufacturers to save pennies on persuader on the manufacturing line but I was staying at the Mandarin Dander Norio mental and they flew me business class. How is this saving the company money. It's a false economy somewhere along the way someone's someone's paying the price. It's a false economy and you know I think companies to start doing something like EPL's an HP L. Would actually I find that. This is better business. Solicit move to the other part of my other my question which was like on consumption unconservative consume methodology. Collagen are like Dick Event. You say this is a new pathology and I agree it is it's an addiction. You know I see how I see. I'm sitting right here in the reception of B. O. F. Writing and this is a company where lots of our team are very aware of these topics and every day I'm seeing packages from Zara and a sauce and and these are smart informed young people who care about these topics but there is this notion out there that are new generations care care about this stuff but when it comes to purchasing decisions they're going to the same company. How do we change. That's why I wrote the book right there boom. That's why hurt the book because I feel like most people even if they're somewhat informed don't really realize the impact these companies have on the planet and on humanity just their practice is not the companies themselves but the practices across the board that our landfills are heaving with the clothes that were chucking. We think we're giving them to Africa. Africa saying no more really want Maury. They passed the law to stop the import because it was decimating their industry industry and you know the overflow is just relentless and the trump administration then started at a tariff war with them saying well if you're you're going to ban are close than we're going to end bullied them into break into retracting the law except for Rwanda good old Rwanda held firm and they're paying for it because trump basically beating up on Rwanda to take you know old t shirts and jeans and and fast fashion from America once you start seeing the global picture I think it will change consumption habits more importantly. I think it will raise. He's better fashion to unaffordable level that said like a bit like Dior Ganic Food Movement women you know when I I was living in Washington. DC in the early nineties we didn't have a farmer's market in town last Sunday. I I was in Washington. DC The there was a brilliant farmers market three blocks from my old apartment. When I lived there there was one farm-to-table restaurant. Now everything you know every time you turn roundly farm-to-table that there are local farmers that there's a whole movement and and because of this we now have whole foods the most democratic you the democratization of organic food owned by Zara but you can undersell I'm hoping that which is owned by Amazon so super democratic right not not necessarily great but democratic. Anybody has access. I'm hoping the same will happen in fashion and win that does and the price will drop however and this is a big however the pay too little for our close Redo. I want my great a HA moment. In this book research piece I was reading from the New Yorker in nineteen forty eighty by this wonderful writer named Lois long about the one the extraordinary retailer of the time Hattie Carnegie during the depression oppression when her big customers who mind you in the in the nineteen twenties were paying between eight hundred and three thousand dollars for their luxury fashion Russian the same prices were paying today in dollar in dollars at that time not adjusted for inflation this and that that's what they paid and I said I had no why did that. That's what those those gals cost. When you would take the Chanel that you are and have it made you know Hattie Carnegie would by the pattern and make it for you. It was between the same prices this is you pay today. Gucci and Dior and Chanel that was the first like wow I keep hearing are close have never been so cheap. It's true even at the luxury even at the luxury level then the other thing that came up was that she said you know after my customers lost their fortunes ends in the crash of twenty nine. I came up with this middle market. Collect collection called Spectator Sport Raymond Chandler referred to spectator spectator sport in the long goodbye as the secretary special and that's what secretaries and it was just straight on ready to wear off-the-peg classic suits you think about Lauren Bacall in the big sleep when she's talking to Humphrey Bogart in that great snappy suit that was the secretary special and they would dress it up with a broker they'd wear it with a sweater and then they'd wear it with a blouse. They had one they had to right. They didn't have a whole closetful and those suits sold for roughly nineteen nineteen ninety nine the same price you pay today at h. and M. Zara now. How can we be paying nineteen ninety nine at the height of the depression the worst worst economic times in modern history and still be paying today when we've never been wealthier. It's because prices really they've never been on based on honoree things. I've never been so low and the difference is that back then the secretary bought one or two and now we by ten and then after report board of them and then we toss them because they're disposable. Fast fashion has created this pathology. It's made us think look at close disposable all they weren't disposable before we kept them. We repaired them. We resold them. We gave them the charity shops and then they were sold at a decent price but we kept them. We pass them on. We were them for years. Think about closets. You live in London. You go into your flat. How big is your closet in a flat of one of those premiums definitely finite space right in a prewar brat closets her full and bursting now and it was clear war flat right think about the Victorian era when these women were wearing bustles and had petticoats and all that stuff going on underneath the dress and that was the size of the closet closet that shows you how few close people had versus what we have today thus going back to when I told you five hundred billion dollar business thirty years ago two and a half trillion two and a half trillion today so fundamentally the volume. It's about volume on every scale so we need to break as consumers consumers are habit of buying for the sake of buying getting bored tossing it treating close disposable like fast food so fundamentally it. It is about consuming. Let's begin consuming. Better can have all of these solutions. We can have new fabrics better ways of farming coming cotton. We can have silk spun in a laboratory. You know all of that but fundamentally buying better need to buy veteran turn by less and cherish our clothes invest in them. One of the people I spoke to for this book is Dylan's Williams of the Center for sustainable fashion and what she pointed out to me which was is really important was that before everything went off shore Nafta or an offshoring globalization chances. Are you knew somebody somehow somehow who made close. They were your cousin your neighbor somebody at school. They worked in a factory. They were seamstress or Taylor or you went to a Taylor but you somehow knew somebody who made clothes. Maybe your grandmother major closes the kid. Maybe your mother. My mother used to make my dresses. My grandmother made so my close to him. We knew people in the industry we knew how to sew and we knew what it took to make close but wet and therefore we appreciate them but when it went off shore and we at the same time we stopped teaching sewing in schools like home at classes were cut because of education costs and they just taught testing testing testing. We lost the connection to close. We stopped investing emotion into them. We didn't really care about them because we didn't know how they were made. We didn't know who made them. They were just things that pass through our lives and that's why we could throw them away without any guilt and why we throw away so many I mean we should never ever throw a close. I'm sure Ellen MacArthur's talked about this and bill voices and Bill Madonna talks about this with cradle cradle the whole circularity movement and that the linear Europe we we shouldn't throw a closers. There's value in them and we've. We've forgotten that there's value in them and we need to start valuing. I am again so what I say is. Don't spend ten dollars on something that for which the person who made it was paid probably a penny or two ten cents right back to make it and get ten of those things that you keep a short time and you toss and you warned two or three times by one for one hundred re where it's cooler everywhere. I love Kate Middleton and Meghan Markle with the royal re wear. It's fantastic that I mean how many times Kate Middleton trotted out that black or that dark green Alexander McQueen coat how many times it always looks great and what she saying each time she puts it on his alum of this coat. It looks good on me. It is well made it is worthy of keeping in wearing so I'm GonNa do it right and it's okay. It's cool to be seen in the same thing more than one right and it's okay if on instagram with your friends you take pictures and you're wearing the same old it's okay. Lee Finite even okay. It's cool rule right. Okay thank you Dana. That was a really interesting and I've you know congratulations on the book. It's so cute well researched you traveled to so so many parts of the world because the fashion industry is global and yeah. Thanks for stopping by today to chat with us. I'm Imran Ahmed founder and CEO of the business of fashion. That's all for inside fashion this weekend. We've gone deep inside fashion. If you want to get daynuss book a highly recommend it. It's called Fashion National Palace and as Dana mentioned. It's only been out for a week so you can be amongst the first to read it. I'm sure you'll find it as edifying as I did. I uh if you enjoyed this conversation you might also be interested in joining the OS global membership community B. O. F. 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Fashion History Mystery #5: Thierry Mugler

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12:36 min | 1 year ago

Fashion History Mystery #5: Thierry Mugler

"Everyone has experienced heartbreak. And that's why I started the Harper compiled cast. I'm Fallon, I host the heartbroken podcast were real people share real stories of heartbreak, listen and subscribe at apple podcasts or on the iheartradio app or wherever you listen to podcasts. Who's over seven billion people in the world. We all have one thing in common every day. We all get dressed. Welcome to dressed the history of fashion a podcast where we export the who what? When of why we wear fashion historians, and your hosts Cassidy Zachary and April, Kellyanne casts, I would like to start off today's fashion history mystery with an apology because I might sound weird are very tired. And that is because I am extremely jetlagged. Yeah. Welcome back from the future April. You're a day ahead of us in Australia. Yeah. I was and I've been in Australia the last week or so I'm spending time at the National Gallery of Victoria, which is in Melbourne, and I was actually there for to give a lecture on International Women's Day. So it was fabulous. The lecture was in conjunction with eight. Amazing exhibition that they have on view right now, which is called the Christina Campbell pretty fashion gift. So Christina Campbell. Pretty is an Australian one. Who put on a lovely cocktail party for us. Thank you very much. But it she's been over the last few years donating really significant pieces of Qatar ranging from all the way from Charles Frederick worth all the way to Alexandra Queen and she has donated about two hundred and fifty pieces and a large portion of those are on view right now. So if you happen to be an Australia or visiting soon, go check that show out. It's it's really really lovely. I know it looked really incredible. I can't wait to see more of your photographs from your time there. Yeah. And oddly, it was really funny because the other day you posted a picture on your art of dress Instagram of a boy, sir, a robe to steal that's one of the pieces in the show. And you had no idea. I had no idea. It was quite for Florida's. Yeah. But that is not our subject matter today through and through we are actually going to answer a question that several of our listener. Posed to us cast you want to tell everybody what it is. Yes. So we had a lot of listener messages after the Grammys this year in which the rap singer Cardi B wore a vintage Terry Moog ller. I mean, Venus gown is that how we're going to describe it. Yeah. Incredible ensemble and people wanted to know more about that dress and more about the designer behind it. Yes. So basically today we're going to answer the question who is Taylor Moog ller. He was actually born in nineteen forty nine and stress Berg, and he was not the best student not super into school. But as a teenager, he turned professional as a ballet dancer, which I thought was really fascinating. I didn't know that back story until I started researching him to answer this question a little bit more here. And it really makes sense when you start getting into his designs and how much his work became this performance art later in his career that really. Comes into play. But that's one of my favorite things about him as well. And how he started making close as a teenager as a young man before his ballet career. I guess. Yeah. Yeah. So he's started he worked as a professional dancer for about six years. And then the early seventies. He began freelancing as a designer I in Paris, and he did spent some time in London some time in Milan. And basically like he really felt like are still feels like that his dance career really informed the way in which he thinks about the body. And he has this one great, quote, which I thought was really interesting. He says fashion is an everyday personal theatrical production. Yeah. And I guess he debuted his first collection in Paris in nineteen seventy one under the label cafe typically and his first collection under his name debuted in nineteen Seventy-three. But this is a really cool fact April that I was not aware. Did you know that as a dean Eliah worked under him in these early years? I did not know that. But that now makes absolute perfect sense to me because they are they're very much into that same with sort of like body conscious like sculptural type of fashion. Yeah. So taffy muga he actually goes by Manfred today, but he was one of the progenitor of what we would call power dressing for women. So these highly structured silhouettes with these strong shoulders and shapes. But also as April set this really body conscious clothing, and he really viewed it as harnessing the power of femininity women using clothing, his armor debt. Absolutely. And very sculptural. I would say some of these things just think sculptural theatrical over the top. Absolutely. And one of the things as I was going back and looking at some of his runway shows from the past is immediately started a voting a little bit of an Alexander McQueen to me right in the way in which his fashion shows were really kind of staged as theater wasn't just closed coming down the runway. There's always like this bigger idea or kind of like performance that's like in association with his close. Yeah. And speaking of a lot of his fashion shows are on YouTube. So yesterday, I watched the ninety five ninety six fall winter collection. It's a forty five minute extravaganza on YouTube. It is incredible. It's fashion performance at its finest. I highly recommend watching this video. I mean talk about theatre and drama April. Yeah. You have glam John's like Tippi Hedren Carmen deller feature making cameos karma just keeps coming up on dress. Lately. It seems. I mean, she is so incredibly beautiful and such a living legend she's been modeling since the nineteen fifties, which we just talked about in her. Tony KADO episode this week, but just it's so cool. He really experiments with technology and nontraditional materials so about forty five minutes in is the debut of a silver cyborg woman vote called it. A frightening and tantalizing image for the dawn of the internet age and fitting end for this list of the nineties, most unforgettable fashion shows. So check it out and I'm actually wrong about the forty five minutes. I think the silver cyborg woman debuts a little bit earlier at forty five minutes is when we see the Venus dress that Cardi B war on the red carpet this year. Yes. And it's the Vitas stress from that same collection, which was titled the winter circus collection. And it wasn't only that dress that Cardi wore that night that was by mood. She her to other on samba lls that she wore as well on stage. She had a white fringed dress that had long white gloves that had fringe on them as well. And then also she were a share black body suit with a purple Cape. And one of the things that's hilarious. Is that the black gloves that accompany this on SAB? They had to make her new ones because her nails are so long. Yeah. She's really known for these long, extravagant nails. So that was really incredible. And what's really cool as she collaborated directly with the Mueller archives in Perez archive consists of over seven thousand pieces, so Mugabe hasn't been designing since the early two thousands, but his his archive is still alive, and well and was really cool as Cardi B. She won first female artist. She was the first female so artist to win the Grammy for best rap album, and she did it and vintage typically Mugabe jazz. So if you wanna learn more about this collaboration between. Gene, the Mugare archive and Cardi B you can do. So actually because vogue created a whole like short documentary about the process of them working together. And it's on YouTube also, which which is great check it out. And the last thing I want to say about this. Well, I have a couple of things to say. But this is actually only the second time that the moot. Muehler brand has opened up their archives to dress a celebrity and the last time this happened was actually for beyond says, I am world tour in two thousand nine she she wore a bunch of Mughal, and he served as one of the creative artistic directors for that entire tour. Right and again celebrities wearing a kaysville McGuire pieces happened recently with the debut of taffy muga co two seem exhibition the mantra at the Montreal museum of fine arts which opened on March. Second Kim Kardashian has been wearing McGuire for a couple of weeks maybe month, maybe as possible. Advertisement for the show. And I thought it was really interesting page. Six said, thanks to Kim Kardashian and Cardi B definitely MU glares having a moment. And I want to say correction they are wearing that. Because he is having a moment and an exhibition, and because he's an incredible designer that people still really respond to to this day. Yes. So if you are in Canada are visiting Montreal go check that exhibition out. It's up as casts said through September. Yeah. Features one hundred forty couture and ready to wear garments. Dating from nineteen seventy two to two thousand one as well as his stage, costumes and accessories from his extensive career designing for theatre. Yes. Absolutely. The question is how do we get to all of these exhibitions at once? I guess we cannot so we depend on you our listeners to go. See these forests and tag us and report, please guess is there any other fashion history news that you think we should discuss this week Cass. I've been in Australia. So I'm sorry. I haven't been. Paying as close attention as I usually do I have a little bit of news. I just found out. I was accepted into a PHD program. To be doctors saccharine. Yes. So I'm very excited about that. I'm going to be studying the history of colonialism and clothing fashionable clothing, specifically and New Mexico. There's this really unique intersection of cultures Hispanic Anglo American and native American that exists in New Mexico since the nineteenth century, the Spanish native American relationship. If you want to call it that has goes back to the sixteenth century. And I really want to explore the ways in which clothing is kind of this visual manifestation of colonialism. So I'm really excited and grateful for that opportunity. So more to come on that. Yeah, I can't late and you're actually going to be here. Visiting me in a couple of days. Yes, Friday is going to be. I'm going to be moderating a panel at the fashion institute of technology with the graduate program there of you guessed, it fashion and museum studies and that graduating. Classes exhibition is on trap pagan school of fashion, which was my thesis topic in in grad school, so I'm very excited to be teaching people about Ethel trap pagan might hear more about that coming up in an upcoming at the sewed. Absolutely. So I think that does it for this week for our fashion history mystery, please tune in next Tuesday for our full length episode. And if you have a question that you would like to pose us for one of our fashion history mystery episodes, you can Email us at dressed, I heart media dot com or you can also alternately direct messages on Instagram at dressed underscore podcast. Thank you everyone for tuning in. And we will catch you on Tuesday. Bye. My name is Danny Shapiro. The host of family secrets three years ago. 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Ravishing:  The Rose in Fashion, an interview with Amy de la Haye, pt. 2

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26:40 min | 3 d ago

Ravishing: The Rose in Fashion, an interview with Amy de la Haye, pt. 2

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Welcome to dress the history of fashion a podcast that explores the WHO what win of why we were. We are fashion historians and your host Cassidy Zachary and April Callaghan. So. Dress US nurse welcome to park to our two part episode on the Rose in fashion with Professor Amy, de la Hay of the London. College of Passion and if you haven't already tuned into this past Tuesday's episode, please do so because we do discuss some early history of the rose, it's symbolism and also its association with Love Romance and sensuality and today Amy. Returns. To Discuss Fashions long term love affair with the rose specific designers who have gravitated to it in their work, and also some of the objects which will be included in the upcoming exhibition ravishing the Rosen fashion which she co curated with Colleen Hill for the museum fit in new. York. So without further ado amy welcome back. Amy It, of course goes without saying that countless countless countless fashion designers have had this entire love affair love affairs plural with rose can you tell us a little bit about some of your favorite examples whether they be in the book or garments which we can expect to see in the exhibition of course, we have already mentioned the roses significance Paul Ray, but you know it was an emblem of his Guitar House. It was part of the logo but many many of his contemporaries during the early twentieth century also highly favored the rose one particular and designer that I know is a favourite of yours Lucille yeah and going further back. Was Thousand is famous for its use of the most beautiful flower decorated Texas factories who flowers. On the Museum of the city of New York has got possibly the most beautiful nineteenth century rose dress I think I've ever seen with a textile that likely has three dimensional rose pencils visit of listening tips, copper-colored tips coming out to that just so beautiful but if we're going into the twentieth century. There all sudden designers do. Made extensive use of the Rose and the Early Twentieth Century Lucille. Yes. Of course I'm fascinated by Lucille and you have written a book on this scale. Yes. And then I think as we missed the twentieth century we get more abstract. Whereas in one, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty, metre stick. So, roses become expressive particular office minutes and business than. design. So we get lovely nouveau roses in the late eighty, nine, hundred, one, thousand, nine, hundred lost training stems then we get that tightening up this rounded out. Thank you talking about the Erie rose, we worry extensive use of the museum fit? We can't exhibit exists in fragile as one of those amazing sorbet dresses. Caveat updated rounded rose motifs. Amongst. My other favorite comments from the F. I. E. Collection Does the most wonderful via nee dressed from nineteen thirty. This is just a cream margin news the. Dress beautiful design of untucked roses. Now, we my all time favorite dress is Charles James Nineteen seventy locals. Let when I was at the Vienna had very, very little money to find twentieth century dressed because we used to. Address. But the one one haute couture garment bought in my nine years there was a canary Ganesh. It's so beautiful that I did my work on missile family dress collection and was friends with Charles James and counts I and he had a green version is completely falling bits an. F.. I. D. of the most wonderful wonderful fashion on is Victorian revival corseted gown that was worn by debutante and as. Artificial rose bedecked. And that is one of my all time favorites. It's like it's like the roses are just bursting out of her chest on an in their placement. I think what's going to be I'm Mike Covet. Until I complete fell in in love with more kind ninety Meyer than Japanese. Designers depiction of roses that like Bruce personification as is most millicent twenty-first-century. And they are just extraordinary but was I wanted to. Say, which is a core part of this is not in the book Bozo the exhibition. Is that while the folks is upon the most I'm wonderfully fashion, which is innovative in terms of design. Amazing materiality. And in terms of leading Russian accord thesis of the whole bridging is the almost anyone can feel and look transformed by wearing one or more natural artificial roses. And in that sense, the project is really quite inclusive because we've seen the rise is near universally. And today if we will out with fresh frozen, all nodal into a garment, we would feel special people would look at this and no, it was a special day. and. So from the outset of the project I started crying Victorian portray photographs. Showing diverse people wearing holding roses, Victorian trains studios. So allow the gatekeepers nineteenth century progressed having you're taking a really big deal and many people just to be photographed. In holding or wearing what tomorrow's. Oh and we. Also continuation of gestures others the famous. Brim portrait of marie-antoinette, this helping rose, and then I found them as beautiful got disease. Of Japanese woman wearing a Kimono holding the rose with the exact same gesture. And love that pictures of African American Women One woman CJ with a whole lot of roses, which is completely beautiful. Bridal photographs with people with roses, people loading rose baskets. And so. In the exhibition, we're going to show just lots of people who called Went Charles James up early on Lucille but they can wear harsh or artificial rose. And also actually when you asked me apron about my favorite subjects. The first gallery exhibition is devoted to an area that. Hasn't actually exhibited deal before has the most amazing collection of which is hats. Yeah. Fit Aches. I had spent the most happy two or three days. Going through the couplets because nothing's classified by raises. So you can't look rose in a way that you might have up designer or date type. Frontier. And I went through all your couple of hats. In laid out now in the mazing new storage and we've got an incredible now. agom hats. So as be blends, the exhibition that going to walk into a garden of hats. I can't wait. Hats decorated with roses in the former roses like in the forest of clustered roses and you've got the most amazing on Mr John Hats could primavera. which is like rose like a form of rose petals in other flowers on, and you've got the amazing on Surreal Red Shoe, which is like a form of arose. dilatot he'll is this green stem with trickles coming by Buso so. As a result of I think we're going to not be able to have a lot of the loans that we'd hoped to have. But what it does mean is that we're going to bring out also from fit's collection. which might not have otherwise been exhibited. So there'll be some better known examples like the coastal actress. was going to exhibit. Garments like by the designer Irene and other designers that might not be quite so well known but you also express an incredible love of roses in the work. Yeah and I'd like to maybe fast from Irene to another designer that almost everyone knows who returned again and again and again to the rose in his collections but a very particular manner. Emmy how does the Rose Fit into Lee? McQueen of Alexander McQueen's rotter lexicon of what he was doing well in the project I awarded feel and the. The depression floor coat tricks, and Alexander McQueen sessions Rosario. McLean was completely fascinated by the rose and old you -ality in complexities that we started to discuss. It was interested in the rose in the context of degradation and death is morality. As soon as abundant has paintings whereas there is a symbol of fleeting beauty and fragility of life he is expression of roses became more joyful moving into the twenty first century. I'm thinking particularly the ceremony collection. Where he's in mutton Stanley cat walk in dresses that would like in the cage stuffed full of hydrangea roses. Your undressed is just inspired by the look feel the form of roses and then when his hatred ready highs friend Isabella blurred died, he made the most dramatic gesture of having a rose named after her and entwining the name together by calling it executives easy. I'm in its lobby Abra. And Pink rose. and He loved his garden in his house Sussex. And then tragically when he took his own life in all of the images that he made famous the skull and roses became you know to present. Sarah Button is obviously continued in own, very distinctive and talented way. Home to many of these original designs. But also the rose featured prominently in Iran life and she talks when I said earlier about there was this festival in ancient ranker's Alia. Ever since that day rose growing nations have held wrestles in Pasadena in America with roses grown. And throughout England as well, there were also the new festivals, wet goals for stuff as roses, and she remembers that as part of her childhood growing up in the north of England. To it as well. Yeah, and so designed the mice extraordinarily dress is a game we take on the look veal overdoses. One of them will contemporary exhibits in the exhibition has the amazing hard shelled knuckleduster clutch bag she designed. which is of the form of a knuckleduster that you hold is great blood red roses on top, and then the hard sheriff. This bag has also design of replace undeviating race is on it. Is. Important that not only is the design of materials if trespassing so so the false. On the trimmings of dress. Laced. utvs, fines, handkerchiefs, those things that are also rose decorated. An kindergar- song correct me if I'm wrong is another brand which has embraced the rose again and again, and you specifically note that there spring summer, two thousand fifteen collection, which was entitled roses and blood, which will tell us a little bit about that as well. The raises blood collection. Adult Collection River to. And, again, in the Governments that just these huge forms, the advice I look at the texture of rises rather than simulated shape. But what was interesting is that we can data love roses right back to on sort of early collections. In. The nineteen eighties. Radical then was the rather than having traffic divisions of rises. She and does a Galliano's similar time. Created these garments that was like custom fabrics with suggested roses, and if maternity is all about of truth, materials adding extraneous decoration. Some make these amazing garments that. suggested roses by the skill for one relation of the fabric, which is something. Sarah. Huge woes the fabric by twisting in manipulating it. Skills in her telia are incredible making these extraordinarily light dresses all look on the form of roses and I guess we could that as postmodern as the opposite of modern, right? Yeah. You're right. Yeah. Is taking it to the next stage yeah, and speaking of taking things to the next stage. Near the end of Your Book Amy you right not necessarily about the use of the rose as a motif but actually how the plants themselves are starting to kind of. Worm their way into fashion. This was most intriguing before we wrap up for the day because I don't want to take up too much more of your time. Can you tell us about what one of your students at London College of fashion is up to Ashley Chambers what what does this project that she's working on is one of my students she's one of the students that is shaved sustainable fashion freshen. Okay. She's not the first person to develop a young is made from the waist album roses because every year you have to play the roses Wayne when you're going to make sure he does no risk of disease. So other makers have been using the debris of the rose would. To make your but what was the thing about what Ashton did was? It was a carrying project interesting naturally Gore Alexander McQueen. And what she did was she managed your legs Vijay for British, rose gross to Spaniards became even more environmentally friendly. Gorgeous. Listening. Young. And I explored this in the context of sustainable fashion but also I likened the move flower street of cultivated roses to fashion industry in which. Woke. Incredibly exploited an how diversity is being lost in favor of uniformity and you know these long roses that we bind supermarkets with these low straight stems all the consumers want. Against the diverse, the huge range of all different raises that grown that we could enjoy. Embedded industries share many of the same. Bad. Practices. But interestingly as in fashion in the way that we can buy -centration fashion week and also now by trade roses. April. When is the last time you got rewarded for brushing your teeth well, I must say that that would be an entirely new experiences for me except for, of course, brushing my teeth in and of itself is always rewarding. And it's a new experience for me too. Because with quips new smart electric toothbrush good habits can earn you great perks like free products, gift cards and more. You've probably heard US talk about quip, a million times by now. But this is something brand new that rewards you and your mouth. 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By Mackenzie is basic Glasgow school evolved with WHO. I am a discussion about this exhibition took place Jonathan fires. He's well-known fit these countries various projects. Is the most wonderful writer and he's written on about the coach context of the rose. And an unusual addition within fashion castle oaks is a chapter on fine jewelry by. The jewelry expert and well known anti job expert Jeff Freeman on fine jewelry and because of course, rose is so symbolic. Redland with meaning within fine jewelry. and. Because I think which began fashion exhibitions the. Addresses that redundant roses there are lots of plane dresses because they're going to be one with the most exquisite. Jewellery and because impression Geller is quite often week on exhibit. The fine jewelry we exclude any from the exhibition, but also from the discussion. So I was really delighted I'm Jeffrey Mann, Rosa Chapter with his boss boss knowledge which up to the role of the rose in fine jewelry. So. There's some wonderful contributions from other writers do yeah and that the fine jewelry chapter I mean to to describe it as eye candy is underwhelming. SC Wisit Wisit. Beauty of some of these pieces, some of which are very old as well. Absolutely is based on you know a whole grill. Of Research and contacts. Antena. When you write a book limit, the most beautiful books that you to all the big research yourself. Every oldest contribution said takes the also they've identified in source all these incredible images. which book is very extensively illustrated. Yes. You and I went hunting looking for some eighteenth century imagery of artificial flower making. Is Ing. You gave us a short Cox straight. Good. So season you wonderful archive. It was so fun. I always love those projects. That's like the absolute favorite part of my job at fit is like helping other people like you find the exact objects that are looking for. I spent a very. Good to spend a very few months. A KID ABC. Thank you so much and please come back and join us any time. We'd love to hear about your next project, whatever it is that you have up your sleeve. So we hope your return to join us again on dressed. Thank you so much. It's been accident pleasure following it for years and I'm delighted to have contributed. Amy Thank you again for joining us on trusts such a treat and listeners we cannot encourage you enough to grab a copy of beautiful book, which we will remind you has a slightly different title than the exhibition. It's called the Rosen fashion ravishing. It's chock full of so many more fun stories than we discussed on the show. We simply could not get to all of them today, of course. April, as you know, the first couple decades of the twentieth century are some of my particular favorite periods of fashion history, and so I really enjoyed the story and Amy's book about how for her Spring Summer Nineteen eighty-four Collection Lucille Lady Gordon she filled her couture house with three thousand silk roses, which had all been delicately sent it. So can you just imagine that for a moment the rose after all was one? Of Her favourite motifs for embellishing her garments and also Christians you are such a personal fan of growing roses that after his death in nineteen, fifty, seven specific species of rose was actually named in his honor and some of our listeners might remember from our very first episode on season two which was on. Christian. Dior that your had this lifelong love affair with flowers that began at a very early age. Yes and his. Mother Madeline was e consummate gardener and she really instilled this love of flowers and gardening into both of her children both Christian and his sister Catherine who we might April already told you this but just happened to dedicate an entire fashion history ministry or episode to because she was actually the inspiration behind yours famous missed your perfume which combined sense of Jasmine and roses but more than that Catherine was this incredible woman. She, she was a heroic member of the French Resistance against Nazi occupation during World War Two and in the aftermath of the war, she worked in the flower industry even farming roses among many different flowers for the fruit industry at her Christiane Childhood Home Chateau the coal noir or how more contemporary events cast. You remember that incredible dress that Jordan done word, the two, thousand and nineteen met ball. It was our favorite. Picks when we talked about that particular event, but the dress was designed by posing and her body was entirely encapsulated in these three. D.. Printed really deep blood red rose pedals, and apparently it took seven hundred hours to complete the three D. Printing and then another four hundred hours on top of that just to even put the dress together after the pieces were printed. Oh so incredible and the whole time I was just wondering how she sat in that or did she. Did she maybe she did it. Maybe they piece it together. I'm sure we could find out somewhere. Either way. So so many designers, artists and writers have found inspiration in this flower. There's so much more to say and perhaps summed up quite nicely by William Cowper in seventeen, eighty two when he wrote. Within the gardens peaceful reign appear to lovely foes aspiring to the rank of Queen, the Lily and the rose though rose soon, reddened into rage and swelling with disdain appeal to many poets page to prove her right to rain. And clearly she still ties. So I think that does it for us this week dresses nurse May you ponder the presence of the rose and your closet next time you get dressed? Please tune in this coming Tuesday for our full length episode and cast. We've been getting quite a lot of listener messages lately and I feel like I at least a little bit behind and responding but please everyone please do know that we do read them and we do the best we can to write you back. So just please keep them coming We've gotten so many really great suggestions from you recently episode topics that you would like. 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