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Free Agency Frenzy

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Free Agency Frenzy

"Misconduct with john greco adam welcome to the tuesday edition of game misconduct i am down the greco get a better just say the july second because we don't know when we're gonna be doing another one of these maybe is things start to happen but boy did a lot of things happened on july first win the free agent signing period began lot of trades lot of signings in of course let's get it all together with the grady jj radic how're you sir thank you john david i kind interrupt they thought the i'm good i'm good little bit busy yesterday but you know it said everybody settling in now you know and now we just gotta wait till the rest of these a marriage free agents assigned overtime a boston all we had an offer proceed and we had a quick response from the carolina hurricanes this afternoon that they are matching they offer sheet so that's taking care of already i would have waited probably the seven days run on indian sweat it out but the i guess the canes why did they make a statement that they will not be you know they have the financial wherewithal to take care of these days and so that's what happens now so he is gonna go back to the montreal canadians of course the big story at least here in new yorker probably the biggest name in free agency is aaron thanks a deal at the rangers i'm hearing me general if you're in the same thing took significantly less comparatively islanders offer to go to the rangers i had heard upwards of twelve and a half million which is almost a million less than what the rangers had offered but he really wanted to be arranger and they they came up to be the contract yesterday yeah i think you know we didn't know a lot about archenemy ten aaron the plan his real plans and there are these guys to we don't really know they don't sell out i go back to back breezy years ago with the devils writing just repeatedly said whoa wait and see and then eventually you wanna go home on either side of the side with the minnesota wild that's what happened and we don't learn the true feelings until the day they signed and i think are timmy aaron was someone that always liked the idea of coming to new york and becoming a ranger in particular of the columbus blue jackets from small imports came in late on a sunday night prior to his contract the expiration an offer of that eight here deal as they can do they could have you know they could do up to the point of that time when his contract conspire they offered him eight times twelve from i understand which is ninety six million dollars and a you know he decided to throw it out a penalty islanders and rangers went back and forth i think nbn he want it to be a ranger and i think to some degree v agent call upon assume wisely a kind of used the marketplace yeah owners were interested that pumped up the ranger offer a little bit i don't think it hurt the player in camp that the knicks came up a little work in their desire to a to get players on sunday i think there were a little bit more pressure the make something happen on the rangers side of things and so the number one up and you decided to come to the ranger so and then a he gets what he wants and the rangers you had a really good player and helps push this rebuild wave further down the road yeah it certainly does and that's a big move for them and they get themselves a really good top line a if kreider stays i mean that's now the question becomes the rangers do have some maneuverability here but not a lot considering they're gonna have to give trueba a long term contracts so they've already had the trade jimmy hayes for a third round pick not really value pj but you really got stuck between a rock and a hard place right you gotta make the salary cap space they should not working with a lot of leverage their so probably more deserving of a third round pick is supposed to do but probably more to come right maybe a buyout of smith or shattenkirk a what's the next move here for the rangers it will be worth a jeff gordon decides to do i think you know they're a little thin down the middle when i look at their group right now they have is the ban is shot who is a you know is terrific and a and then after that it starts out it depends how you know crap sauce you know how things unfold the wraps off moving forward a filipino if he a you know is is someone like come and play the middle now 'em so those were some questions they have to figure out what the long term decision is for a you know i'm chris kreider a do they wanna sign a long term deal is do they see him as maybe a piece to move a you know depending upon what kind of options out there in the trade market so there's a lot still work on and a but let's face it the the rangers have had a really good some good young players i mentioned crop softened a you know bush now but you're still young player and taco obviously drafted second overall i mean he's a big time player die at aaron so it's interesting times that'd be fun time for a raider fan as they watched this a quick turnaround for the franchise now you just used the word quick because i think the fans have been very patient write the letter came out a couple of february's ago they understood it but you wake up and aaron that could really really accelerate what the fans perceived as the rebuild right where now they expectations are gonna be very high going into the season a and making not making the playoffs will probably look upon be looked upon as a disappointment rather than last year when it was kind of a fate accompli so i'm not sure the rangers were undeterred by this but i think the patience of the fans may be tested here when you bring in that kind of a significant piece the expectation level has definitely been raised right so you're bringing bringing through but it's changed things a little bit but that said there's still work to do and a it'll be interesting to see how they kind of a you know color at the rest of the pitcher for the upcoming season a we talked about kreider he's the got one year left on his deal why the domestic off one year left on his deal he's versatile guys would be additional skill players still fit in the mix a leader sanderson gonna take another step forward they mentioned the crop softened a taco those her you know really high end teases m goose now they're just gonna take another step forward of development this year and then on the blue line with trueba stepping in i mean that's solidify here number one bright spot a r d but like you said i mean fox news new what do you do with shattenkirk what he did with brendan smith so they've got a you know they've got a couple of a challenging decisions they had a limit of course henrik lundquist the goal is thirty seven now your gift played really well for them last year just durkan is a looks like he's gonna come in and play over in hartford and getting himself up to speed in north america so or you know i think what you know were not looking at a team to win the stanley cup or no but i mean the pieces are their way further along in i think you know that's that's the biggest thing for fans take that fun watching you know cocteau and crops often and some of these younger players adam boxers shared jumping in i think that's gonna be the fun thing for fans to the rangers this year and you know hopefully around the past couple of years down the road the lady that's a chance to get back at it could be really compete against other big deal yesterday didn't involve any free agency it involved a huge trade between colorado and toronto now some country and his sixty plus goals it's over the last couple of years along with defenseman kelly rosen go over to a v avalanche in exchange for tyson berry really good defense for the avalanche been there a long time alexander kerr foot we saw some success from here in the in the post season and picks picks involved in that as well so now colorado is is ready i mean they are ready to make the run in the west my main concern though will be suspended for a big game in the future for the avalanche yeah that will be a i guess we'll have to wait and see i hopefully he's learned his lesson he's been player is the thing with a with quadri is i mean he's got a great contract a believe me the like around four point five four point five got three three years left on his deal so all that stuff is really terrific he's a good player and he's a he's a second center and that's really what they needed in in colorado more than anything with that beckons better so they're able to get that guy that could come in and because certain you know a concert in their lineup for a couple of years and slides in white nicely behind mckinnon a they had some some access the on defense with see arrival of the car the draft pick of a bull byrom mentioned a number of sam gerard i mean they are loaded young talent on that team so tyson berry is a real good defender though a real good defense many more but often some guy but i think he's a you know he hasn't gotten in the credit maybe he deserves she goes to the big barking at the big stage in toronto when his contract here so he couldn't really ask her a bunch more he's got a great opportunity the showcase himself i don't know if it's a long term thing the toronto maple leafs because of the cap circumstance the eventuality of the benchmark contracts to change the dynamic of that group but job you know i i think it's one of those deals and it's good for both teams and you know the leafs also picked up her foot who is a guy that could come in and play on their team at the end and fill the role as a third and fourth line player will they would that could maybe move up in the lead up a little bit too far too often you know it's it's funny how things go with these with these college guys i mean we saw it would be to see what their foot down there guys that were college free agents they opted not to sign with the teams that drafted the nashville only pays to be free and the devils and the case of her foot and a you know they end up signing and thinking they're gonna be locked in with the team they side with the vc gets to buffalo and a you know imperfect gets moved a you know eastern toronto in this in this deal so it's just part of the business but i think really a good hockey trade for both teams and a you know who knows maybe these two teams or nothing the final other really good they were playing that that'll be a perfect time for tawdry take that three game suspension that's exactly it just at the wrong time at mars the nice character guy for them i think donskoy could have some major points there he's been hovering around like thirty maybe he could be a fifty point guy with all the firepower the avalanche have i think they avalanche i've done a lot a lot of good things getting prime prefer is already a playoff team and now making those strides and becoming a team that could come out of the west yeah you know belvoir as a nice addition i be honest i thought he got a little bit more than i would've won the ban about one eight for two years but but what i like about a terrific character guy yeah you know he wants to pay a fee kills penalty i thought the buffalo sabres shouldn't try digging in on him and maybe they did that you know colorado is much or peeling place the fact they were willing to go to one eight over a two year deal a maybe that made the difference but he did have a connection with rob burger from team europe and the buffalo sabres and trying to create a like a winning culture and i just think a guy like that is structured having you're rural been so another good addition perverse for a couple of reasons for the colorado avalanche as as they move forward i mean not a they are gonna be a good team i think for a long time you know they've gotta get a rant unsigned but i'm sure joe sakic is working on that as we speak and you know this is an amazing thing and i don't know if you've noticed this islanders getting a lot of heat loose specifically i can't blame luther pun aaron saying no more money i mean they got league they didn't lose him they lost they didn't lose abberley what they thought maybe they would lose furlough varlamov i think is an upgrade i in goal what do you think of what you islanders didn't didn't do here in free agency well i agree with you about fall off i don't necessarily think he's in upgrade of any thrillers older he has a he has a history of a lot of injuries now i know in colorado different playing they're gonna be playing for berry trots in that group where they're gonna play really a defense first and it's gonna be easier on the goaltender but he has had some injuries the numbers have gone down years older so you know wants three i mean the you know robert muller had a hell of a year last year did and you know it's hard to figure why you know they couldn't figure out something with leonard but perhaps they just felt more comfortable with a guy like bar moms who you know he has done it for a while now and with letter there is you know the history of the challenges that he faced with just some concern that you know moving forward on a multi year deal there were there were there were just so worried that he wasn't gonna have some other struggles or not able to have the kind of year that he had last year so for whatever the reason they go the ball off apparently he's done some kind of relationship would stroke broken who's the goal in the cage l a d out arizonans right then they're hoping that he comes someday in the future of the place where the new york islanders and by all accounts at the very talented both tender but you know like i said i i think it does such a wash rush and there goes the chicago and plays really well against the chicago blackhawks i think he authored by about one of the mets but then the they they still have a a good duo withdraw often bryce they're hoping fresher open down the road if you're right they didn't really lose any peace and they're disappointed by aaron but i think really and then when you really sorted out i think that canarian always wanna be a ranger and it was just about her about dr at the buddy up to a place that he felt comfortable and he was now the us in a week and i think we're kind of on the same page i just look at lehner in grice and i thought that they were a byproduct of the system the trots played the numbers were almost identical and letter was a great story i'm just not sure where you can go with him as a team they made it to the second round last year i'm sure their aspirations go higher varlamov has more postseason experience he's thirty one you're right he's banged up but maybe doesn't have to face thirty five forty shots a night like he did during those years in colorado when they were the worst team in the league and he kinda just with their only chance of ever winning a game so i do think it it helps but i think lou has a plan i think you'll figure it out and i can't kill him parents saying no if those rumors are true could have had twelve and a half million takes eleven point six when the rangers where you're supposed to do the guy's gonna take a nine hundred thousand dollar pay cut the year the play for a team there's only so much you can do yeah i think like i said i think he wanted the ranger and i have no other fans should look at it this way looming in the building drove off the price and the rangers have to deal with a pretty significant capped it there i mean that's eleven point eight million dollars over seven years so if aaron is the player that we've seen in the past them too great a science but the rabies but it's so expensive inevitably over seventy years the production is not gonna be as high as news right now in the you know maybe the rangers won't be as excited about eleven point eight million dollar cap hit but frankly honors they were in the better they were hoping to get up to the split early somebody that what's on their mind and the indians and i think that the player just rather play for the rangers this the other factor of a straight up sales situation the fact they are playing in those to go and i just cannot and that is something that is a great selling point for a guy like now i mean it's nice to have belmont coming louis short everybody again the shovels in the ground and it's a hundred percent and that's great i'm lives in this area long time and i always like to wait until i actually see the shovels in the ground but the reality is that the you know for die starting right now playing into places it's not optimum for for a guy who has a choice do one of these other so i'll be honest had a great season last year they had to number one draft picks a couple of years back and bob sending and wallstrom whoever champ the coming be part of this team you know moving forward that some real growth of their young players they have mattie bars are all there i mean they have a good teams go i'm really happy not consciously a you know berry trots he's a good coach show they will play the same way they were similar weather shrimp will see how things go because if they're free games as you well know john i mean things it's so tight as the difference between winning and losing this is very is very slim and they have a hundred and three points one year and maybe have eighty eight the next year so yeah there's will get to work at a little will go out i would have that they'll add one more piece of the puzzle when he came and then you look at dallas in the west they came within a game of going to the conference final that the belsky parrying cetera timmy they're just trying to see if they can't extend it further right just because i don't look at dallas i don't look at these moves his long term fixes i mean this is a team that believes that adding these three pieces tickets team there was a whisker away from going to a conference bottle and taking step further i don't see any of these guys helping helping maybe preval ski but secularism banged up in edmonton perry we we saw his injuries and his age right this is just striking while the lie baldy irons hot reifer dallas yeah yeah the dallas stars one roll away from being the blues last year and they a in the second round the blues obviously what are the ones the stanley cup right so they feel that they're they're closed they have a really good goaltender they have a good young coach jim montgomery they have really some star players there they need the offense of support they gotta try this for some more than one of the the really fine as young defense in the league at merrill hey scott ended a they've got some other big defenders here as well this is a really good team at what they added was experienced some grant some goal scoring would jump of auspey hand i just think jim noble looking to add some pieces to try to get over the hump now and i agree i think those those the players they added a short term and you know one and two years but i think they feel like they're close i liked the young players in syndication single really step forward for the past year they've got some other young guys come into the mix of some older guys all what their top guys met some younger players that have been important for them so bender stays healthy i expect that would be a handful or let the recent tweets before we a send you on your way freer summer hera 'em let's see a ben ask the questions of the cancer matching they offer aho do you think what do you think the habits will do well they go after brayden point or someone else would just bring up younger players 'cause they have something like eleven million dollars in cap space yeah i mean i i you know i think they need me i think jake gardner would be a really good idea he tells you it's a terrific skater tripping over i know there's some concern about a back injury but i think you know the you know not having seen the medicals a you know just having on by the reports he seems like he's gonna be okay but you think he's gonna put on a pot moving guy like jake gardner alongside shea weber i mean shea weber is longer and the truth now but he's a good defender it'd be a nice pair when you think about the skating ability and they all fence of upside and partner brains and then paired with a guy like wherever or just the physical you know show strong physical presence in the zone you know if you have money this man and the montreal canadians have something spent right now that might be the way they do it i don't think they're gonna get back in the restricted free agent officer offer sheet game i think they targeted all as a as a top senate that would have been a great fit for them i mean it was a great idea the target of i just don't think they push harder up on the offer see they probably should have won the next year in the making a little more difficult for them they are proceed game and you'll have to just blow the player out you have the ball together team out of the water and make it just impossible brian find the player and then you're then when you do that you are surrendered and four first round draft pick so it's a real challenging things around people have asked me about the mitch martyr thing i mean i just don't think you have to get to that level that's the four first round picks and you'd have a huge tap it you're making the player of the the property they're the most wealthy guy in the national hockey league a i think that's a lot to do to get the player any as we've seen it doesn't really work if you don't get the player and if you don't get the player why do it so carolina made it clear that the you know there was never an issue for them and really johnny when you think about the offer if somebody arbor dream sebastian a hall for like the twenty third fifty first and nine here in the draft and then when you make that trade property now i know that's what the city offer she was the first second and third round so action so they only issue was tom down then you know as a kind of a wildcard order what he's gonna do but he stepped up and leaving joke about it he said writing the check wasn't that hard so 'em all stays in carolina that's a good and so that franchise i tweeted back when i saw that news apparently is too hard derided protect kate and but that's another story a really chris asks a question it's kind of he goes into great detail about a new just summarize is it this way and i've thought about this with other sports to 'cause it impacts other sports besides hockey salary cap of eighty one point five million dollars but dallas tampa florida they work under a much easier conditions were no state tax would danielle with only ever make an adjustment to help the teams that have like older estate taxes to kind of balance it out because let's face it dallas's money the money the dallas offers the money the florida offers offers the money the tab offers is worth more than the rangers the islanders the devils or the kings of the ducks because of this outrageous state tax is there any way that the leak and balance that out well i mean i dunno if you wanna call it outrageous state tax i mean it's farnum part and parcel live in a society so i mean that's another discussion right but the reality is those other places they don't have the state back and i don't create a benefit for those players and it's something that these be all of the sports may have to deal with right i mean yeah all the league that are in that circumstance so i don't know exactly what you could do the remedy but i'm sure that you know financial standpoint i'm sure that's a you know bill dale in gary bettman are probably had conversations about the be the circumstance i don't really know they they even did a rather did a move forward and i just think that maybe the cost of doing chicken replaces them then when i say they motorists are outrageous what i'm saying is people don't understand is that your california's got a thirteen percent state tax that's florida has zero so that means i offer the same amount of money is as some as a team of florida and texas that's a that's a thirteen percent difference and so the money isn't really cool so that's right looked at looked at matthew shade i mean he was thinking about montreal in nashville right now brian see i don't i don't think as a state tax either end so montreal and in fact i mean there's significant taxation on those on on on on people there make you a millionaire certainly at a high level that someone like the shame would make so that was probably a consideration for him as well making that decision out loud always wanna go ashville maybe it wasn't as tough but the older generation is the teams in those places that does make it more difficult alright nj chris thirty says do you think the reason additions to both the devils and the rangers are going to reheat keep the rivalry again finally and so far out of the two teams who in european you had the best off season well i mean the first thing i'll say is i dunno about review the rivalry i mean i guess the teams a strong have been struggling and that will run the playoffs two years ago need both teams mets last year but you might have you might have called this game dot m sure aware of it but the last the last ranger devil games of the year was a really good nasty game between the two teams in new jersey and remember that it was like more of these two teams really go after it so yeah well the teams better a and there's more on the line yeah the rival will get jacked up from that standpoint and i think there's no question the things you're gonna get better and that will definitely impact that i think we a you know both teams have done well in the off season a you know we have they use taco situation so both teams scored while there i think long term i believe you is probably gonna be you have more upside but chocolates gonna be a difference maker and it all started this week i if everything goes well with him the rangers at andrew bird devils are in sudan i mean i liked the term pursue van on three years there and you know people's gonna get along the younger player 'em i think they both a you know provide strength on the right side of the fence so that's that's good news the rangers have some other really good young players coming up the devils have niko he sure was the first overall pick going into his third season this year so i mean the rangers have had a five move forward a little bit more in this a post season obviously when you get an era that makes a big difference was a you know both teams i think could be happy with the direction they're hoping really and i guess we'll see what happens with the devils taylor hall that is gonna play out over the next you know twelve months yeah that's gonna be big and i still think you know will see the goaltender ends up being got cory schneider is obviously the bigger cap it will he play well did seem to play better in the second half of the season but certainly they have to address a the goaltending situation robert asphalt for kids both teams have that extra right shoulder and bold center you're on that that that are kind of transitioning i mean you know so both teams have a little bit of a concern there i would imagine like the rangers how they see underneath maybe a little bit more fortified but you know as we've seen that could change quickly and robert wants to know kind of jokingly but i guess it's possible with the wild planning zuccarello any chance that they will put zouk with purry c n zucker and make it the zach look the zoo klein i dunno standards that line so that's probably the the problem and they hold them back right maybe on the power play or something yeah i mean the minnesota while they're interesting because they got older team now you think about it they've got some really good players fires but they're older players that you know i thought it was such a good start with the dallas stars and i think the reason the two to four white it and say that he wanted a longer term and i think the stars more interested in a three year term like they did with tobacco street and and they're also the look the first round pick i'm having the surrender first round pick if they were gonna resign you bro i think weighed heavily on them as well but you know hopefully i know ranger fans back to bravo he's a clever player is a fun player to watch i wish i love while in minnesota i just think it's a tough go there because you know again that's an older there as a i think a lot of things you're gonna have to go right up to success this year well listen really thank you all season long it was terrific sometimes is doing things at the last minute sometimes doing things on the road a we'll try to tap into during the course of the summer as things begin to break but a right now just enjoy your summer well all right and i know i've got the softball in august third on if you're rambo were doing this on august third i try to give you a break is far away but they've attention is always love you i appreciate that the tires on the car they came for two years and i really enjoyed it i think this year we have youth hockey tournament that weekend my satisfy and so i think that's gonna be picky weekend but you never know things can always change you headed down the shore this year i will be down in ocean city a august seventeenth that week day saturday saturday so let's let's get a meal what do you say let's do that i'll just put the winds on the beach themselves lowry yes we gotta feed it something that they'll they'll be fully congress aiding by then i think what they do when you're on the beach without antenna like that that radio show i'll be what did they do that you never stopped word yeah yeah if i if i were to do that all joking aside if i were to do that then i think nancy would file for divorce immediately she does not i wouldn't even stand me doing a hit for somebody i would just be if i if i had the like if i had the comrex down there for the shore forget we'd be dead that'll be at all i mean compressed to but you know what a well that's good it was a great season with a lot of fun and i can't wait to catch up with you again if something does break and we need to get through expertise will will do another one but otherwise you know maybe will talk in september as we get ready for the nineteen twenty season a boy nasal it is by love you brother that is the great dj radic what a phenomenal season for everybody this the way it's gonna go moving forward obviously if something significant breaks and we wanna do a podcast around it we will definitely do it but the ball the majority of stuff was done with shane and putting aaron zuccarello in the trade between colorado and toronto and you know league going back to the islanders and if i'm forgetting any i apologize simmons going to the devils and all that but there's still some things that are at play here a and we'll just see how it goes so pay attention me at twitter at the at down like racket and if something does happen we put together a podcast during the course of the summer i wanna give you a bit of a heads up for that but right now looks like what kind of wrap things up if you wanna get in touch with you during the course of the summer you could do that because one of the reasons we do this every single day is because of you you're reaction your tweets you're interaction is just absolutely amazing we love it so much so thank you so much for participating they should make it's so much fun to do we don't get to you're tweets today i'll try to get back to you personally again questions comments criticisms you could do it all summer long at donald greco hashtag game misconduct so i'll be in touch i'll be within arm's length for you during the course of the hot summer but then september will start putting together some preview shows start getting some guests the 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Episode 406: Expansion Draft Takeaways

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Episode 406: Expansion Draft Takeaways

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Frank's our evaluator. He was basically just revealing every single thing. That was gonna happen tonight. And then we all tuned into the actual televised bent expecting that. We'd find out that some sort of trades and it turns out there as nothing at all. So i have no idea why we just spent past hour and a half watching. Yeah it's about right Although it will say the. I don't know the college football guys name With the college football guy being like you noticed that the table aragona in the first round. That was fun. I don't know you didn't have that up there. I don't know we did simulcasting on sports. Now yeah i think it was chris fowler. He was just like the steve girl. Boom rose thing is like the buffalo sabres decade without the playoffs. And he's like hey just stayed in the facts over here and he i think he cited randomly that the detroit redwings bottom five goal differential or something last year. Say that yeah it's beautiful. I love it also joining us on today's show. Sorry for the delayed intro here. It's a other good pal or co worker for both of us. At ep ringside. It's jack jack is going on man. How's it going guys. it's good. It's good it's get let's get. Let's get right into this dead. So we're according this right. After drafts concluded i think The big complicating factor for us in. This conversation is that feels. Kalisa now we kind of have a bit of an incomplete picture of what seattle is actually gonna leave this draft with in terms of the treasure just assets. We know that at least it seems like the insiders have agreed that there have been no trades in terms of like carolina. Telling them to take morgan deke. And giving them another asset so they stay away from jacob but it sounds like there will be some trades wants the trade freeze lifts on thursday morning or thursday early afternoon. Where seattle's probably gonna trade some of the players they did take today to other teams for asset. So we'll see what kind of draft picks they get and all that jazz. But i'll start with you ryan here. Where do you want to go with this thing in terms of your initial reactions of what. They came away from this draft with whether it was the right approach. You can take it any way you want. Yeah i mean. I thought they were gonna go pretty cheat like everybody was saying that. From from the get go that they were going to try to go into free agency with as much space as possible and when i put my team together i like my you know. Mock draft of it I was like oh. Wow you know you can get some pretty good players need a writer and and and Shane goss's bear. I thought was. It was intriguing option and they. They're like what if we went even cheaper than that. What if we took several guys that you know riley guy who I know a lot about the joy i feel like. I know a lot about developmentally leagues. And they were like what we took like. Three guys ryan lambert has never heard of his whole life. Direct shot at carson touring sqi. Yep him and a true alexander jones. God's entertrainer ya guide guy. Definitely kurt off A yeah i was just like all they want even cheaper than i thought And so yeah like when. I put my by By roster together. I was a few million bucks under the cap. What like with all thirty guides and they were they were they said. Now that's too. That's too expensive right jack. They at least based on cap bradley's current assembly of of figures look like they've committed about fifty two point five million cap space to in terms of nhl contracts. Attend forward seven defensemen to goalies. If got seven rfa's in the way most of them are going to be pretty cheap. So that'll make your swing a too much to you as the restaurant onto eighty and so that gives them about functionally. Let's say even in the in the low to mid twenties when they take a lot of those guys in terms of wiggle room with a full nhl roster essentially assembled and. That's much different than a lot of these other teams you current cap friendly figures. And it's like yeah. Minnesota has has twenty eight million dollars to twenty million dollars in cap space but they have like twelve players under contract right now and we're going to have to pay the two. Most expensive guys will probably eat up most of that. So it's not like they really functionally. We actually have that much money so it is a it puts them in a very unique position in terms of basically being able to go in and sort of dictate the market in terms of not. Only the excitement of all you get to be in this new market and we're gonna it's gonna be a fun story but also we can pay you the most. Do you think that that is the approach here. In terms of how they're gonna parlayed or do you think it's going to be much more of this sort of slow build where they're gonna try to weaponize it by either facilitating traits for others or you know eventually taking onto bed bad money to get future assets. Which way do you see them going with us. Yeah it's kinda strange. I mean you look at how this team was built. I think that they left a lot of guys on the table. Like like nita writer. was mentioned who i think probably could have gotten them some decent assets if they were going kind of slow build route. Like i don't really see a lot of guys on this roster who i think will return that much a trade them the one guy who really stands out his march our data and they they marched. 'em out there in jersey so i feel like they're not gonna turn around and send them to the rangers tomorrow You know i mean. I do understand the virtues of them going cheap and and i think i may have been a little bit more liberal with with cavs space than than lambert was in his mock draft. I just because. I figured that there were guys on the table. Who would be able to flip who might have a higher price tag But i mean at the same time like like. They went out there and they signed to free agents today to pretty sizable contracts. Those are the kinds of contracts that teams that are trying to compete at least somewhat would sign with adam larsson and jamie alexi ac and from all accounts. It sounds like they're going to be out there trying to get or at least could their names of the rings for big ticket free agents. So it's kinda hard to really this team and figure out what exactly it is. They're trying to do. Because i mean this roster doesn't seem like it's going to be containing for a stanley cup even if they add gabriel and has got to it. But you know at the same time if they're trying to you know it really doesn't take that much to launch them up the standings in the pacific division so i i think there's kind of a weird contradictory nature to have. This team is built from my perspective. That i i guess as free agency it goes along. We'll get some clarity on what exactly this team thinks that is. Yeah i thought there was a nice Sort of middle ground or hedge for them to go here with a lot of the picks in terms of giordano gone. Call two guys. They did take fit this bill. But i thought he'd been javy although he has the second year left on his deal. Or even max. Currently heard by nino jason soccer. You have a bunch of these guys who are are certainly useful veterans who their current capitals in this climate might be you know a tad high there teams with comfortably or gladly. Move off that money. If they could but for vegas they could bring them in. They could immediately be top line. Contributors for them and then if things went obviously if things went well and they made the playoffs. Were a great success story. You kinda ride that wave. But if things went south like let's say their inexperience goaltending they come out of it. With an eight eighty eight percent of their suddenly losing a bunch of games they can go ahead and retain fifty percent of that or whatever in flip those guys to contenders and get a bunch of those assets slightly belatedly back in return and instead they took a couple of those guys but it really seemed like that wasn't their approach direction in terms of taking shots on some of those useful veterans and instead as we talked about the the cheaper like what they did with philly was of the microcosm of where i really thought javy. Vr despite making seven million and against the cap over the next two years. was the worst wildfire for them to take and potentially either us or or or flip down the road instead. They took this guy who who buy. Your model has a one percent chance of being in a nature. Yeah i mean like the thing about kinda going. The youth direction is that just by the nature of the expansion draft like literally by the rules of the expansion draft like the young players that you have available to. You are twenty three twenty four twenty five you know. I don't see a lot of untapped. Potential a lot of the guys they took and i was. I was informed the opposite by many of the fans of the teams that they were taken from. Because every depth defenseman forward who's twenty five years old is going to be a star in the nhl someday that but Yeah i mean. That's really the thing like i look at this roster right now and with a few exceptions i think that you know not not to be too harsh delicate but the the vibe that i really get is kind of likeable. Losing team like they. There are a lot more cohesive. I think in vegas were like stylistically like they really went hard. On these kind of low event defensive forechecking hardworking. You know linked the kinds of mostly character guys. Who actually are pretty good at what they're supposed to be good at There's a couple of exceptions to that. Obviously but i you know. I think that there's going to be a lot of fan davis on this roster and and i think that there's virtue to that in terms of building a team you know like the bradenton of contract might not be our favorite. But i'm sure he's going to play well in their market and everybody's you know law people are gonna be super psyched when he runs around in his four checks but you know. I like it's cohesive but it's not cohesive in a way that i think is really gonna lead to great results right out the door and you know i. It's kind of with with the lack of side deals reaping assets that we can get into in a second. You know. I kind of have a difficult job. Seeing how this team is really going to be built up from where it stood right now in a way. That's not going to be kind of extremely painful and antique a couple of years. Well ryan i guess if you came away Liaising compared to the expansion jeff. 'cause they had similar rules but obviously Team approach differently in terms of how they wanted to handle the transactions They didn't they didn't give seattle pre tops x. Forward not did that this time. Well certainly on paper. What i was gonna same as if you left vegas expansion drafts. I like a lot of us. Were very excited about shape. Know for example. We thought getting alex talk was a really nice asset for them but like in terms of name brand value is like all right marc andrea florida. We've heard of that guy and then there was a lot of players who obviously wound up. You know stepping up and bigger roles but also similar to what seattle did year. And i think that was part of the thought process for them or guiding principle was. They had enough flexibility considering they didn't really take on any horrible contracts in crippled. Ma didn't have any baggage of past mistakes. Contractually they were able to basically year-over-year or even months at a time just keep upgrading and aggressively their team. You know whether it was even moves. It didn't work out. Like signing pastas trading for thomas tatar obviously getting patch already and stone and portray. They were able to keep upgrading getting better. And better and bringing in those those big names and big contributors to put them over the top for the seattle team. They have that opening certainly both financially also in terms of need and they have a bunch of these as jack alluded to you kind of complementary. You know hard-working defensive types. That a lot of great teams would certainly need and also prioritize. But they don't necessarily have the if you're looking at like the tampa bay model. It's like they have a lot of the literally have yanni gore but they have like blake coleman and barclay goodra types and all that good fun stuff but they don't have the nikita kucherov on paper. Here right yeah and i. I've seen a lot of people. Go well you know. Who's who's vegas. Or who's seattle's william carlson where You know he goes from like a third line role on a not very good team and he scores. Forty goals is a top line center In the first year is like yeah. i mean. Nobody would've said bill. Carlson was that guy right like nobody would said. If i'm looking at this roster the guy i think is gonna break out just absolutely nuts. Next season shoot twenty five percent whatever. It is Nobody with a gun to their head. Pick bill carlson right so You know i can totally see a scenario. Where like jared mccann goes nuts next season and he's like a thirty plus goal guy in that sort of thing but i also see a situation where it's like. Oh no he. Everybody just kind of does what we think of them doing generally And you know everybody's like twenty ish gold guy and they are not a very good offensive team but they do seem to have Jack's point earlier the horses defensively to kinda keep it. Keep it low event low scoring hockey in and try to get a bunch of two one. Wins jack when you put this list of players acknowledging that it could change. They could wind up trading some of them at the time of recording. Now when you put his collection of players interior lineup builder. What's the what's the projection in terms of the the point output next season. I don't wanna talk about it. I i just tweeted about five minutes ago that the projection that. It's it's shooting out is making me question the the mechanics of the roster builder. 'cause i just i just rejected about two weeks ago and it it saying that this say it One hundred point team so that is leading me to believe that something must be horribly wrong or is a dream thing right like they're just like well he'll just do it forever nine nine thirty goalie or whatever it was last season right like that would be the thing that would drive. Yeah i did set it. So that that his results are kind of regressed back to the mean because of how games that he's played but i i think the the big i would imagine that mccann and am black. Weller are two guys who are driving it a lot because those guys definitely had some Some pdo luck this. Season's shooting luck. That i feel like is probably getting overrepresented there but you know i think at the end of the day that the one thing that i can't take away from that before i completely dissemble the whole thing and turn it off and on again is that it does genuinely loved the blue line and i think that there is merit in. How much likes the collection of when they've put together Archer ano- is obviously on a downswing. But he's still a perfectly good defencemen could probably be relied upon on top pair. Vince done you know we've been talking about for a couple years. As as a potential entry in that kind of divine tapes category of guys. Who may be wasn't fully appreciated before and now in a new environment will be able to fully break out and You know adam larsson and even jamie alexia co. i think a lot of people are down that contract. And i think that there's there's reason for people to be very skeptical about paying a defensive defenseman for five years on a deal you know both of those players have performed very well specifically defensively in the past couple years and and a project very well as a result. So i think the ryan's point you know. This is a low event defensive team presumably if their coach properly and based on what axel set it at the press conference he said all the characters hard-working for checking stuff. So i imagine that's the kind of style they'll be playing. You know like i. This defense could definitely got out. I good number of wins and it wouldn't surprise me especially in the pacific to see them do well but I wouldn't exactly be running to the bed on this team. Finishing above ninety five points this year. I mean yeah. It seems like it's certainly that didn't happen by accident and prioritize ties it. Probably somebody just has to do with the fact that it's still is a you know a bit of a market inefficiency in the league in terms of like defensive value and trying to quantify it and actually evaluating that stuff appropriately with actual quantifiable results. Do this guy is. You know wins a bunch of face off. So he's good defensively. I was ready to be high on this team's blue line. Even before we found out that adam ours jamila we're going to be there to picks and the guys that they would sign during their negotiating window. Just because i thought that you look around the league like most teams have one really good guy maybe even two then it's like they're generally giving minutes the players who are either replacement level age all guys or even worse and for this team. It felt like at least be able to have six berry berry solid. Nhl defensemen and there's some value to that and then obviously adding larson with their defensive results. Baking into this It really puts them over the top. So i think that is certainly going to be a big time. Strength of this team going to keep them in the game. And i wonder how much that tied into the fact that they also have you know we can talk about the goals. But a lot of question marks and uncertain. Dna didn't invest a lot of resources into their goals at all and so if they're playing a lower event really high efficiency defensive brand of hockey i imagine that that kinda helps make it more palatable that they invested less than five million dollars in their cabin to their three goalies day picture. Gojira okay I will Yeah i mean. I i look at this and i think the thing that you have to say as you have to use us through the lens of is this team You know cup competitive ran no of course. Not but is this team. If it gets a little bit of shooting slash goaltending luck. Is this team like potentially the second best team in the pacific division next season. Yeah i mean it. it's that's a real possibility. I think you know you go. You go okay. Fine edmonton is going with. Mike smith migo coskun in battery. They took adam larsson from them and they just took adam larsson but like you know everybody talks about how good the oilers or last year in the regular season. That was an aberration season from mike smith. Right like he's older than me. And i'm thirty eight years old so you know i i look at that and go. Well you know the odds that they that they get that again aren't particularly great and there's only so much to the Benched players in the world can do for you if you you. If you can't keep the puck out of your net calgary vancouver. La all teams with obvious roster flaws serious questions that need to be answered this summer l. a. obviously looks like they're powering up to do something like they're going to start using their cap space and things like that. Okay but i'm not in an san jose in anaheim who cares I'm not totally convinced that like this isn't just a team. That kind of by default is like the third best team in the pacific right now. Will jack nine of the twelve defenseman. They took our left shots I imagine some of them will probably get moved. The three righties are atta marson. Wilbur oregon and kill flurry. If only there was a right shot defenseman on the open market that could help provide the offense that the spoarer group might be lacking can you. Can you think of anyone might fit that bill. A man i mean. Honestly if there was a forward group that would love to play with dougie hamilton. It would be swipe. Can you imagine these guys chasing down those rebounds for twenty five minutes a night like that is basically a dream come true. You know what i'm saying. Is that you just on that note before. Before i forget i was thinking about this with marchiano. Pick here because your dave hacksaw the last time we saw him coaching. Nhl team famously. Round like the most point shot heavy. Five one five offense in the league. He's been the assistant coach on the leafs in in the meantime and they last year they didn't shoot any point shots so i'm not sure how much of that is. Is it just the thing of the past how much that was a philosophy. He genuinely believes in. But does your donald the guy who's always like top five events men just kind of spamming from the point and man would dougie hamilton. Love playing that type of system. I mean to a dougie hamilton. Love playing with marshall. Dano again that's that's what everyone's talking about. how dougie hamilton. Apparently even though all the numbers say otherwise just can't function out there without a A amazing legendary defensive defenseman next to him. I mean he had some pretty good results of march or ano- so i wonder if if that might be fed i mean it would definitely be. You know it would make me feel a lot more comfortable in this in this point projection. But i you know again. It kind of fits into the broader picture of. What exactly does team expect to be. What do they wanna be. You know like as i. I think that you're looking at this roster how it stands if they weren't going to be making a lot of big moves and if they were going to be moving out guys for assets and not being big players for stars and free agency. You know one thing. That is definitely different for this team. Then in vegas game to leak you know. One of them is obviously a ryan alluded to which is that. The pacific division is basically the worst division that we've seen since lovie beat up the atlanta thrashers and carolina hurricanes. For five years. You know about a decade ago. But the other thing is that there is serious franchise local talent coming up in the draft in the next couple years. You know vegas basically was staring down nolan patrick's and and you know rasmussen. Lean obviously was highly tied prospect. But i don't think there was too much about who was behind him. You know jack use. These guys were hyped but not at the same level as connor and mud famous. God and even shane right. So i when i saw this roster and of the the second part of me seeing it and saying okay well the these are. This is a team that can lose. Respectably is that you know if if they decide or if the other decided not to go the free agent or they to strike out on the big names you know. I think that they can kind of be winners. Either way at the scenario because i think they can compete the pacific if they do get a big name like dougie but on the other hand you know it if they don't. I think at least that could help them build for the future. End may be better align Ryan i've seen it's been kind of positioned as a lot of teams have been unable to be active over the past however long. Because you know they were sort of in a gridlock holding pattern because they were worried about the expansion draft than he didn't wanna take on future commitments. And all that and i'm there was part of it in terms of making the protection slots spending sort of minimizing your exposure to losing good players but like the flat cap was the thing heading into the expansion draft. And it's gonna be a thing for the next couple of years. It doesn't suddenly go away now. This draft is over in. So i really did want to key in on how valuable asset the flexibility they do have is because i think it's sort of natural to especially with expectations heading into look at this roster on Pretty underwhelming and i think all three of us you know. The general tone is there's things we would have done differently and they could have been more ambitious in Kind of recouped more assets from this process but at the same time the amount of flexibility do have interpreted in terms of actual dollars and in terms of how few sort of big money shorter long term contracts. They have on their books right now. Really is something that if they play right can make an entire difference for this roster and for this franchise moving forward if they are able to use it to get one or two or even more sort of big name players. It suddenly sort of shift Perception of yeah and and the other thing too we we kind of touched on it a little bit earlier but You know. I'm not totally convinced like the thing about A i thought they'd trademark dear denoted you know. Oh we'll take a corner salary half salary. Whatever and flip them to the rangers or whoever else that made perfect sense to me but Like jack said the fact that they put him in jersey and sent him out on the stage. I don't think they're going to do that. Right so You know ma is the there are guys that they can that they can try to leverage that kind of thing with and like gordon i think The fact that he didn't show up for this. I don't maybe wanna read too much into that but all the other big money guys they got to show up. You know what i mean so well. I imagine part of it was winning stanley cup very recently. Another by was it. Sounds like he's having surgery coming up here soon. I wonder how much of that. I did. Not see about surgery thing. Alto late november until november. I think more entertained like he. I think he had surgery two days ago so it might not trying to try to met with his arm in a sling in his eyes. Get excited about the first season seattle crack hockey but this guy. Here's a guy who's gonna miss a month and a half here we go. I mean wanted if they wanted a guy with one arm they should just take in vlad. Tarasenko right yeah. The the headline on the athletic today was like chip on his shoulder. Or something. Like that. And i was like. Oh can they say that. I think he is three chips on his shoulder. And that is the issue But yet there. So i don't know i think the thing that i keep thinking about is boy. If they like someone in Who's a restricted free agent. Why not man. You know like that. That's the thing i keep thinking about is like they're they're so well positioned they're going to get the second overall pick their pick. Many banning I think is is the general consensus there and yeah. They're not here's the thing. They have all their picks right so they are able to offer sheet. I guess it kind of browns connor. What jack was just saying. In terms of the uncertainty of there's some gray drafts coming up here and they might not be good right. Committing future picks with that uncertainty with the star talent available in these next couple of draft. I guess would give me a bit positive. I guess it comes down to who who they would maybe be targeting and again like rfa's whoever sides rfa's with an offer sheet in this league like it doesn't happen so you know but i don't know if there's a guy coming out i don't have a list in front of me but if there's if there's a good player coming onto his second contract You know he's like twenty one twenty two years old they they have the ability to really make the other teams think about it. Finally i imagine ron francis getting himself frozen out of the hall of fame alumni dinners in the future but I mean that would be. That'd be very fine if they just came in right away looked at the pacific division and said oh we're not going to be picking top five for the next five years we. Yeah that's that's the other thing. That i that i kept going back to too is like there's like kind of an artificial floor to how bad they can be built into it because it's like yeah. We got to play the anaheim ducks like eight times next year. Little skates right. Yeah there's a bunch of phase right there's last pederson would be a tasty division. Can you imagine car. there's andre there's there's there's interesting routes for them to go what do you what do you guys think is the best use of that cap space. Then do you think it is our affair kind of feels like a waste of time in the nhl. And it's not going to happen. Roger probably devote our time to more realistic blueprints for them. Is it getting involved with trade market and potentially becoming involved in the jackal talks. Do you think it's closing the usa waters. What do you think. I think it'll be a little from the last two i th. I think they're going to sign a couple like why you know. Apparently they have the the green light from ownership to spend to the cap you know. Will they get all the way there. I kind of doubt it but will they. They throw a bit of money around next week. Yeah sure and then yeah just having the ability to kind of be a team that if you're if you're laundering cap money for a season well you know now's the time to do it. There are like huge expectations on you and you can kind of see what you have and maybe get an extra first round. Pick for for next season. That sort of thing. I don't know what's your what's your ideal next. Couple moves here for the kraken. Yeah i think that just anything that maximize their assets is probably the best way to go. I mean they were unable to make expansion like side deals for you know expansion considerations you know that's obviously a lot of value left on the table relative to vegas was able to do You know like we said there was there were guys who may be could have gotten them. A decent return as rentals added this year next year who they decided not to pick. So that's just more assets again back on the table. So i mean looking at kind of this team and has formulated in and the lack of kind of extra picks and that they've accumulated so far. I think that probably the best to go would be is. They're doing the faith thing. Like if they want to be in on land gog and dougie and all that stuff. I it really should be kind. You can go big or go home situation. Like there's you know they they should definitely not be looking at you. Know your filipinos are zach. Hymens or that class of ufa. Because i just seems kind of doomed to launch them right in the middle of the pacific for the next couple of years right whereas you know if they if they get dougie than great that maybe the process along they can try to do something interesting short term. And if they don't then. I think that the cafe should just be spent on basically doing what we kinda thought they would do. At the expansion draft which is taking some bad short term contracts to help some teams at a cap squeezing gang getting some extra picks in return because that is probably in their best interest moving forward to just get as many of those assets that maybe they weren't able to get early on and And help them out with a forward. Yeah i really wonder that node. How much of them. Walking away with his draft without any real Vegas asks ideals was asking for too much because it sound like a. The prices were pretty steep in terms of like. Oh give us a first in third and we won't take mark donald stuff like that and then how much of it was teams being so hell bent on not being embarrassed by by doing bad trades with them. They just like all right. Like just take one guy who are not gonna make mistakes data That's the case. Then that might limit their ability to execute on stuff like that even moving forward even after this rap yeah. It's kind of strange because you know like you said teams obviously lived through the the expansion draft. The last time they saw what happened they saw the result. And they were obviously gonna learn for it and then we heard at the same time that seattle had like you know was asking for double white teams. Were giving day as the last time around like those two. Things really never seemed compatible at all like it didn't make sense that teams would have learned from the last time but then decide to pay way board for seattle but all throughout this process. You know we heard it like a year ago. The seattle would be asking for a lot of assets and we heard it two days ago that they would be asking for like multiple first round picks per jeff considerations and stuff like that so those two things never really gelled in my head. And i i i mean i think we were all surprised to see that there were no aside deals happening but i think based on the process that we were hearing about the entire time it. It really shouldn't have surprised us that that impasse was going to happen. And i think seattle has as you know. I think a lot of people are a little skeptical about the job that seattle the today as a result of that can take a quick break here and and then we're gonna get into some specific decisions are made on the other side of things. This episode is brought to you by. Hp instant inc. No one is reading your mind. But hp instant inca knows when you're printers running low and sends you new cartridges. So you never have to think about inc save up to fifty percent you'll pay less than five dollars a month for ink and never run out again. Find out if your printer is eligible and enroll today at hp instant inc dot com conditions apply for details visit hp dot com slash instant inc spotify. We kind of set the table there in terms of expectations in our next steps and why they did what they did. Let's talk about some of the specific decisions. Yeah not necessarily as keen on spending twenty minutes talking about why they coal end instead of joining graduates from For example but i did think there was some interesting decisions that they made. So i'll go first ryan what Gimme one that either. You know you thought they do for sure your and didn't wind up doing or even you can take the other way and say you know you were pleasantly surprised or happy. That they went out. They did because it was a good pick. I guess i i am to here. In one is jared mccann which i think that pick his interesting more for how it happened. that that's obviously a player. People like us deeds the liked for quite a while. And and you know. I saw some people's today saying well. There's a reason he's on. Is i think this is a seventeen. Nhl team in his young career. You know there's a reason why and it's like yeah. I see that right like you can see where there is an argument. That may be can't play up in the lineup. But then every time he does he looks really good doing it. You know And so i thought that was a really interesting. You know like toronto kind of dairy. I mean you wouldn't. You couldn't possibly want. Jared look alexander kerr foot. who's like what. if jared mccann was like worse. He's right there you guys want him right and and seattle was like no one of the guy. Who's the good version of the guy. You said And then the other one is kelly yarn crow. coosa player. i. I've liked for a long time and i you know he's one of those guys where it's like. Wow he's twenty nine years old That's that's wild and that was more of a thing of i. Kinda can't believe nashville really like go. Crazy drained deprive seattle. Take somebody who wasn't him. Let's hit both of those jack as a as a long time jared mechanic joyer I'm i'm willing to believe that. He's not as good as you would think based off of looking at metrics or the war models or or you know future projections. He shocked fifteen percent personally. Last year he had a non violent. Five shooting percentage of thirteen point. Six an on ice by vice. Eight percentage of nine thirty one certainly made him look better than he than he probably is at the same time clearly a very useful player who can either play for you down the middle which is obviously of importance for seattle here but also kim bumps it away clear. A good shot has produced isn't a a weirder career trajectory or arc for a player. Gerry mccann where in two thousand fourteen he gets taken. One pick ahead of david pasternack then as a teenager he gets rushed into the lineups on this horrendous knocks team and doesn't looks fine for a teenage but doesn't necessarily a great results as you would expect and then right after. That first season gets trae for brands. Branson spent a couple years on ford. Are they wind up. Essentially cap dumping him and nick bucs to get off a bunch of money and take expiring contracts back in return and then now he gets traded to toronto stays on the team for a handful of days and then now off the seattle like what still only twenty five years old ryan as you mentioned seventeen team like what a what an insane trajectory for a player who is good. Even if he's not necessarily great is is clearly a good hockey player. Yeah i i definitely agree with you that you know. If you're just kind of don't know anything about the player at all and you just look at his. You know his metrics probably not getting the right sense of him because like you mentioned on shooting percentage off the charts you know he was playing with. Jeff carter when just carter scored fifty goals in five games for the pittsburgh penguins. This season and that was all because of jared mccann. Yeah exactly You know he for you know. I think he's like he was like second in goals. Above replacement for six years line is here. I saw a lot of penguins fans angrily citing that and you know again. That's that's on. I shooting they i. I wouldn't read much into that. You know the fact of the matter is that the guy that jared mccain is is a perfectly good middlesex defense i you know center slash winger who almost always eventually ends up being put on the wing and i feel like that's probably a reason that he keeps getting moved is because teams acquire him because they want him as third line or secondhand center and then he kind of eventually the coaches put him at the wedding and they lose patience with them because maybe they don't see him really as a as a particularly good winger but he's not a guy that they wanna trust center and and i feel like that's kind of a lot of what's been going on especially in pittsburgh i think they always wanted more from him offensively in terms of generating chances for his linemates and he really isn't that guy like he is kind of a generally speaking a low event guy who has a good shot and maybe that limits is upside. You know. maybe he's gonna be there william. Carlson likely alluded before. Or maybe he's going to be a decent second-line winger or third land center or you know the the real kind of benefit of of mccain is his versatility in the lineup. But i feel like it's also probably what has soured him for a lot of organizations. But i mean like ryan said. He's younger he's better and he's cheaper than alex kerfah so i don't know what made the leaves You know under the impression that they were going to be losing him or that he was. You know worth dangling to protect alex Does that stranger write from the perspective of a slam dunk. No brainer pick for seattle. As soon as he became available but when they made that trade. Okay there you know. I assume they're gonna go seven in three year in terms of production and exposed just hall and if you lose them as a valuable asset two million as a second. Pairing guy but more replaceable. Or they're going to expose curve than instead this happening because they went four and foreign expose both guys in clearly seattle was gonna take mccann and that was kind of strange thing to be like on the one hand. You could argue. Ro the leafs lost a seventh round. Pick and philip wander here. It's not the end of the world if you look at what some other teams lost. It's very palatable alternative but it seems like it didn't need to go this way and i wonder if they miscalculated or what kind of what the chain of events was led to the ultimate outcome here. Yeah i don't know i i. I've heard a lot of these bans criticized the organization by saying it's an endowment effect thing. I think that if you look at you know just an holes results You know he's kind of the ultimately the guy you know more so than curfew who the leafs did all of this maneuvering to try to protect know they had it went four or four and four specifically so that they could keep him as their top. Four right defensemen. You know i. I think that holes credentials does not defenseman are essentially. He plays in the top four and doesn't immediately burst into flames. When he's out there you know. I don't think that he's a guy who you absolutely had to keep around. I mean he's twenty nine. He's fine with the crazy thing to me right like everybody talks about him like all other. He's got so much more to give us. This follows thirty. I don't. I don't get it from from toronto's perspective where it's like you traded Because when they traded for jared mechanics like that's the curve insurance they're going to they're just gonna use him incorporates role. He's probably going to be really good playing behind matthews into varas and they have to move into the wing. They'll do it. And they were like we actually would really like a protect our fourth best defenseman. Who is eminently replaceable. it's weird they. It feels like people. Just because i guess they have a significant part of their capital two forwards and they score flashy goals. It's like oh the leafs. Are this all offense team. The asset forward and actually needs more defensemen. And it's like they need more good forwards if you look at what happened in the playoffs. And how like obviously not having joined to various heard quite a bit but like they could really use a juror mcken player on this roster and so what they did acquire my was like this is really smart trade for them and i. I didn't even know almost nothing to get on. You're like this is incredible. Great job by toronto 'em they were like. Yeah we actually don't want this player at all. There was like a beautiful like three hour window where lease fans actually liked me again and then they decided to just throw it all out for justin hall and i. I'm really mad cow do for doing that. They're almost a huge solid. There's still there's still like a child who was only does the good trades. Lula morello's still does the bad ones right like that's how that's how we have to think about it quickly. On the yarn croak thing another smart pick by by seattle one year left two million. I believe pretty much like the type of winger. I don't think he's gonna play center despite the team's needs immoral wing this grid type of player. Everyone and i think if they wanna flip them they'll certainly have plenty of teams lining up for him is defensive metrics last year we were off. The charts is fantastic. I thought the hilarious take away from this. Was that the predators protected three forwards in two of them were lukanen antenna. Geno like i know. I think nicholas lori is still being protected. Was the craziest thing that i saw. But that was a close second in terms of going. The five defense in two of those floors. Be now like if you're to know. Tanner gino's way do that. Why are you panic. Trading viktor arvidsson for seventy cents on the dollar three weeks ago like do you wanna hear my theory. The predators do not know what they're doing they have no idea what they wanna do. Next season They don't know what they didn't know what they wanted to do. Last season They should have blown it up. but then They got the hottest goaltending the league for three weeks and they said you know what we're all in baby. We're we're gonna we're gonna try. We're going make a couple of trades at the deadline We're gonna lose in the first round. Nobody's going to be surprised and then Yeah i mean they. They moved on from brian. Ellis and and. I don't know i didn't really get that trade either for them but Yeah i just looked at that. And i was like yeah. They don't they don't know what they have on this roster at all they just know they don't want what it is. Yeah i mean. I can't imagine that anybody in that organization felt like proud when they submitted that like. They're looking at the list right. We have one forward in the entire organization that is like an actual like property. Die for that. We don't want to give up everybody else find. Take them like that. You know i. I mean like the thing with with the i it is that it's it's the smart pickup for seattle. But i mean like it was the only die stupid pickup for seattle. I saw so many people in the past five days. Who had ryan johnston matt to shane confidently as their number one centers and that never made an absolute sense to me unless you know david poile realized that he was seventy three years old and sent them their next ten years of first round picks to get out of those deals like you know i mean that one was only obvious to be from the jump but apparently there was some some donation about whether or not that was actually going to be the case but in any event regardless of how young creek place i think he fits the roster very well. He's clearly part of this philosophy of the group of put together. And i think that they'll be or the happy with them. No matter where he fits in. I agree jack. Gimme gimme a couple of your most interesting for either gutter batteries. So i i mean it's done is is a guy who we've we've touched on a little bit a another case where i think that there was a bit of a battle between the or highly priced. Name-brand guy and a kind of lower in the lineup player. I had so many saint louis. Blues fans come at me for presenting numbers that say that he is good at suppressing scoring chances and they send me youtube compilations of him getting walked and earn overs. And all this stuff. So i think more than anything like i am incredibly curious just to see him on a different team. I get really is one of those situations where i i wanna see if this is a legitimate situation where we've been missing something horrible above it's on this whole time or whether it's going to be a thing where everybody in seattle loves this guy and they're all buying jersey and everything and san luis lose fans are saying. Oh well he sucked when he was with us but you know oh and now he's good as he busted learned something from archana thing to cinco seen like the the no brainer especially when it was announced that he was gonna be unprotected just based on name value seven point five million capital for the next two seasons makes nine point five mill in real dollars this year. And i don't really know how to evaluate him are moving forward because he in his prime was clearly one of the most lethal and just consistently great goalscorers in the league where it year in year out. You could count on thirty thirty five goals from him over the past two years though. He's got seven goals in his past. Thirty four games over that stretch shot six point two percent last year in. It's not like oh that's you know that's a that's an outlier. He's gonna bounce back because you could argue that a big reason for that was because he has one functioning arm basically after all his shoulder problems and his shop overall change in the process. And if he's not getting to the same areas a doesn't have the same velocity and zip on his shot. Then we should expect that to bounce back and if that's the case it's a real stay away in terms of the dollar head now. You could argue that. They could've taken him potentially retained and flip. Because there whether it's fairly or the islanders. I believe there will be teams that are interested in tarasenko services and and hoping that they can get him back into four goals gordon forum but i really thought you know just the way. The discussion was framed. Turns like vladimir cinco you have to take was missing some really important context there. Yeah and and i mean i mean this is kind of a fortunate situation for them because i unlike some other situations are other teams where they had what unquote tarasenko available and they decided to take. Echr's you know they at least did get a legitimate. You know offense. Anyone with upside who. I think that they'll be able to hopefully get some value out of so. That was definitely one that i that i find interesting. I think that the the two free agents. Also i was definitely taken aback by i. Think one factor that i. I didn't really consider when i put together. My mock team was the idea that they were gonna be legitimately laying free agency and and putting together options like that and then i think that The other one that maybe is me. A little bit was taking on jordan everley adding that there was a lot of discussion around the fact that the islanders were so clearly. Just desperately trying to get rid of cap space you know to the extent that they traded a pile of picks to arizona to take on andrew ladd. And now you know we find out that you know they just have moved. Essentially a thirty one year old player who signed for three four years making five and a half million and they're just able to unload that contract for free. I was very surprised that the honors were essentially able to get away with that. And that you know of all the type that type of player that was available to seattle abberley was the guy particularly they targeted. Even if i think that everley is is a perfectly effective player and and i think that he's he's definitely going to be the most talented offensive player on this team. See the condition for the third round. Pick that is going. Arizona in that lad trade. What the requirements are. It was bizarre. It was a. I might be getting it wrong. But it was either lad Appears they don't get the pick like the islanders don't have to give up. The pick of lad appears in one game in twenty two twenty three to basically. He can't retire but he also can't play for them. That's what i'm saying. So it was like a situation of They he just has to be l. Teared is that pretty much. I guess they buy them out. Conceivably kills them. That would be but it was a it was a move. I i thought our. I mean i think the difference here is so the islanders shed like what fifteen or sixteen million in cap commitments for next season. I think in burley's case listen. It was necessary because they're gonna have to pay pellet probably spring back sarokin me They wanna bring back. Paul mary after the success he had for them zico so they have a lot of money that they need to allocate moving forward abberley though like unlike those other two contracts they moved. I think they really will miss him. Because aside from its strong underlying numbers. He's just like a consistent goalscorer per team that needs it had fourteen five one five goals last year which retired with mark. Stolen david pasternack important. Alex ovechkin he is a good player. Who clearly had success with members allen. I guess they're thinking okay. We can just play leo komarov and whoever else with And get success out of them. But i think it's they needed to move the money but it's not like they're moving a bunch of like dysfunctional money and all of a sudden they're going to be better off for like i think it'd be tough for them to replace that even with the five point five million. They've cleared now the islanders. You know what we lost a guy who had fourteen five on five goals we have other guys who can put the puck in the net. That will be like the new york islanders like this. Is this light this. This seem the everley thing i got. Obviously why they exposed him in that sort of thing But this seemed like another thing. Like we dare you to take jordan everley instead of josh bailey. You won't do it. They're like you're right we we're gonna we're gonna take guy jordan never died. Who is good. If and then they brought him out in jersey and you know he's another guy like a just a really. This is the other thing. I kind of noted that like a really likable layer. Like fun to watch that and just seems to have like a bit of a personality in a league. or that's the at a premium. I think you'd say the second. The second oldest player behind mark giordano but only has three years on his deal. I think it's You know not prohibitive enough. That and clearly they felt it wasn't but My my big talking point here is what they decided to do. Net would the goalie options in the pro is they have less than five billion dollars in cap commitments on. The three guys took which is great. Because i think all three of us agree that the most volatile at least predictable position and while it's obviously very important. Any of these guys could wind up being really good. And so i'd rather go this route than investing. Whatever absurd amount of money. It would have taken to to bring carey price aboard. Though he's three goalies have seventy seven career. nhl starts combined. And i thought that you know the one makes plenty of sands. I thought even the check makes sense. I was very surprised that they did in daycare boakye From the minnesota wild agree house also moderately surprised. I guess when they realized they could sign jamila. They decide to go that route. But i would've potentially medicals we need. We need to see the medical needs to be approved but maybe even give ben bishop rashad given how low of a commitment that is over the two years. But you will see. I mean. there's a lot of big name buildings that are going to be available this off season especially in the free agent market and if they have the cast base they could be an interesting fit for high cap hit low term on a bunch of those guys and so maybe they'll go that route to bring in someone who's a bit more reliable but it's a risk but as time we've talked about the defensive metrics that we expect this team and it might just be fine if christopher's legit all of a sudden you have a great deal on him and he can play a bunch more games and you're going to be set so think it was the most most interesting for me just because it fits in very unbranded with his team in terms of like i'm interested but ultimately it could wind up not being nearly as good as we think. Yeah i i think that's right. I was pretty surprised That canon didn't get picked off carson. Suzy i don't really have a strong feeling about one way or the other. He's like in his mid to late twenties. Fine and yet. I mean you know i i. I think that these were the three best goalies. You could get Do i wanna say this like if you if you're like yea goaltending. Whatever happens happens like these are the three best guys you can get that price point. You know what i mean right and then yeah i it just it frees up money to to do whatever else you want to including Go out and get a goal like there are going to be by research teams in november. Please take our Ex overly expensive backup goalie because we have this other guy. Who's who's who's just better but you think about the situation that check. Yeah i mean. I like chris trigger you know. Obviously he lights up all my charts bright blue because he's played like five games and had five shutouts in them You know i. I think that it's obviously rolling the dice. You look at the the comparables for drinker. Based on what he's done so far and you know you see some somewhat encouraging names like anton khudobin and martin jones early martin jones will say And then you see others like you know scott darling that i you know if you're talking about twenty six year old goalies who have had really great results in tiny sample sizes who get signed a multi year deals by ron francis. It's of hard not to think about a niche market in that case. Yeah exactly. I think i'm pretty sure it's only two guys. But i don't quote me on that but Yeah i mean it's exactly what ryan said you know. They were in a position where they basically had to take. They could lock themselves into carry price and sell a couple extra jerseys which apparently is the most important thing that any team can possibly do and building for the future Or they could just give themselves accident flexibility and it seems like that's what they did so i i don't have any issues with how they approach the goaltending and if everything goes completely south i don't think it's the end of the world And and if it works out. I mean any of those three guys theoretically could end up being legitimate goalies because it's goaltending who knows what's going to happen so i yeah you know i can was a little bit unexpected but I do feel the need to to give carson shout out for leading all defensemen. Npdor in the past two seasons combined with a one zero five point nine or something. The things he does well that seems like a good thing to target him. In units donskoy shooting percentage last season managers. The two of you in a twenty seven year old defenseman posted a league whereas thirty six percent on ice expect goal share last year and quite visibly dragged down every single person's numbers that he shared any ice time with. You mean the guy who's gonna fix my seattle a war roster builder projections by putting him on the second pair. Ray i might just skip fixing the model and just by by putting him there. I also worth pointing out The son of paul mcdermott. Who played with. Ron francis on the hartford whalers in the late eighties. It's anybody was wondering for all there's always one right. There's always one where it's like. You know he actually. He's been to seattle twice. So this is this. The connections have always been an yeah. I mean listen ultimately like it's not gonna make or break them wasn't a greatest Out on blake lozad and kill or crawl but that one was a weird one. I thought the gatt beyreuther pick from columbus was was a bear. Wild considering a twenty-seven-year-old usa with twenty eight career games to his name. Similarly i think kind of what we talk about what they're saying. Initially it was like whoa there. Of course they're gonna take max domi and then immediately whenever you talked to anyone in league. It'd be like yeah. They're definitely not taking on because he might be out for the first half of the season and who knows what he's gonna look like at that point and they might not even be able to flip them so it's just not worth it thought whether it was the google and lot of smoke around amer or kevin love interested in. I thought there was like they could've at least gotten an interesting young player in return instead. They went this route in that. When we find out that there was no us ideals to take gavin baylor. It's like they intentionally did so. This was their own doing. I found that one. It'd be very bizarre. Nba reuther a Who now that. I think about it. Let me look this up really fast. But a classic guy who was like twenty three years old playing college hockey and look incredible. You know and i wanna say around that time. There was some pretty serious interest in him from carolina. I don't i think the ultimately signed with dallas. If i'm not mistaken But like i feel like i. I heard the carolina was like dams kid rocks and it makes sense. He's a he was a highest score in defenseman in college. Hockey so That's the kind of guy. Carolina likes well speaking of the geeky. Pick that one for me and unless to deal with the player himself could do it as an interesting vile I just thought whether it was. You know jake beat in terms of upside slash potentially being a For them or need rider similarily as a trade ship with only one year left deal. I thought it was kind of a coin for between those do but there was no other options. They just came out of left field. Geeky i imagine the hurricanes themselves are are very happy with that being the outcome so they can keep both of those two other players instead and you know. There have been rumors for weeks. Warren fogel on out. And now maybe he doesn't is the the latest i think i've heard Mean clearly the guy just like geeky. I think that's fueled trying to take away from that Yeah i mean. Carolina in columbus arcana the two teams where. I thought they had a pretty straightforward. You know take him in flippin player on the table and they decided to go with the okay maybe this guy will compete for the first call up by or or in case you know. Maybe he'll be a fourth liner on this team. I mean just kinda two situations where where it really seems like. Okay there there has to be some kind of side deal going on here and then the dust settles and it's like. Oh no they really liked i. I'm not even going to say his last name. I gathered whatever or very better. Get to know that name. Yeah no exactly it's But yeah i think the thing. Don't me was was a little strange to me because i was hearing all the same things that you worry about you know. Oh there there may be looking at stenlund or they're looking at coupon or or whoever it is at the thing is kinda strange too because you know i mean he's going to be inserted your i think he's projected to be out until late november. You know i made was kellyanne croak. They both the same term left on their contract. I i would have imagined that the upside of maybe adding a couple even just a couple of weeks where you take max domi out of the john tortorella columbus system and let him just kind of be the peer off guy that that he clearly has been for his entire career might have been burst something but yeah i you know it's the same thing with with the anita is like here's your rental obviously rental. Obviously we'll get you a second or third round pick at least and They just say no. We're going to get our fourth line center of the future which i guess speaks to the kind of team. They're trying to build. Yeah yeah diving. There were a number of those choices. So it'll be interesting to see what amtrak you'd be more news to come out of this but i think that are the best. We've got here in terms of what we know now. Was there any other notes on the expansion. Jaffer decisions players involved or anything that he wanted to to get. Get two hours here. Yeah the i did. I did wanna touch a little bit more on the whole carey price thing. What was that all about. Finally a program hockey program to talk about kerry prices seattle. I know i get it. But but like i just did people really think seattle is gonna take carey price knowing that. He may miss a good chunk of time next season. Knowing what the cap commitment would be knowing that it's an analytically inclined organization and You know The the analytics people will be like kerry prices not worth anywhere near what he's getting paid like that would just be. Oh like you walk down the hall. What are you guys. Leave carry price like they go. No and you close the door. Like that's the that's the end of the discussion in kerry prices. Dad didn't even play for the carolina hurricanes in the late nineteen nineties so that it doesn't even make sense. I thought i really thought they take the null from from montreal and inside with alexi ac and but that one rumor that got shot down yesterday so try to give negative goals next season. They might do it. I mean here's the thing. I didn't buy for a second there actually considering price Freedom reporting about how they're sort of trying to play a game of chicken and see they can squeeze anything out of To do to stay away from price and he was the wrong. Gm to be trying to play that game than he played very well where he got to keep allen and basically gave away a player that i think he's very comfortable giving away in this process. But i mean come on like prices hold thirteen million i think in real salary next season is signing bonuses. Paid out yet is a full. No move clause even if he got taken ten point five million capital over the next five seasons not to mention the fact that he hasn't been the goal. He was as past season at any point over the past couple of regular seasons like it was it was a fun story and i think it would have been a very chaotic outcome and twitter would have been amazing if it actually happened but i like. I don't know maybe it's a cynical party. But i didn't second actually let myself believe that they were really entertaining. The idea of taking care of draft. Yeah no definitely. Not i. I mean one thing i we just back up and just kind of appreciate that. This is presumably the last expansion draft that we're going to get for quite a long time. I think part of the entertainment value. The entire thing was just that this was just an explicit moment that you don't usually see where you just have to opposing organizations clearly just playing competing insiders against each other like it was just this kind of weekend long game of chess where carry were the people that were kind of you know halves beat reporters are. Maybe you know montreal jason reporting about all these injuries and always he's going to have to go to the doctor because his arm has fallen off and all this stuff and then two hours later you would hear. Oh well seattle is actually you know. They're looking into the finances than the owners given him the sign off and it just basically went back and forth like that for three different days. I do appreciate that. We just got to see all the kind of behind the scenes machinations that you get a little bit of especially during like rfid negotiations but it was just kind of two competing teams just right out there in the open for like five days. I like it. Okay let's let's. Let's let's summarize. Our general sorta tenor or told her feeling heading out of this. I think is sound like we're all sort of you know a little bit. Underwhelmed feel like they could have been more ambitious but at the same time leaving the door open to see what's the comment also realizing that they did some good stuff as well like i feel like it could have been better but also like there weren't any necessarily catastrophic bicker. You're like what was going on here like even the questionable means where the alternatives weren't so good that they missed out or anything back. Yeah it's about. I feel like for the most part you know. It's about what i expected. It'll be a pretty good team. Yeah i think. I- barring a total total goaltending meltdown. Or just like they don't have a single guy who can put the puck in the net. This this feels like a bubble team to me in that division at a minimum. Yeah yeah i mean it would have been kind of hard for them not to be admittedly but yeah i mean like the the thing is that like i feel if they weren't gonna go the star power route Which which they obviously didn't like they passed on price and tarasenko and all those options now they definitely went the likable route for marketing. Like i don't think this team is going to have any problem. Marketing complex. Like they're going to be fun to watch. They're going to be hard working. You know there's going to be you know double digits of fan favorites So i you know. I think overall if this team is bad it's gonna be bad in kind of a respectable and enjoyable way and and if they're good than as found money and it definitely have some good ended an interesting pieces on this stance all right like it. 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Seattle Expansion Draft Picks - Stars Edition

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Chris is twirling a disc anna shoot. Yeah they can see me now. Forgot about that. Absolutely gonna do okay. So how about that. Stanley cup final between the montreal canadians in the tampa bay lightning boy howdy would would goodwin. I mean it was real close down to the wire series. Lots of really great games between two really competitive teams. I thought it was great. I really thought this Starting with game four i. I thought that montreal really honestly You know did the best they could in in game four in game five for that matter they just could not figuring out vasilevskiy in game five and of of course andrei vasilevskiy is your conn. Smythe winner for the twenty twenty one playoffs. I don't think there is any doubt especially after a game five. I mean he was making saves. That were just absolutely insane Let me ask you. This is andrei vasilevskiy. Gonna be up there with like the hall of fame greats. like the broder's hot chicks. The bill for the does isn't even as last cup. I don't think yeah i don't. I think he's winning another one at least in tampa maybe somewhere else but yeah he's definitely going to be one of the best goaltenders of all time i. He's at least in the hall of fame that's at were. she's in. The hall of fame agreed agreed at the very least season His in the hall of fame in other storylines come out of the stanley cup. Final unfortunately for stars fans patrick maroon gets his third stanley cup not just third stanley cup but third stanley cup in a row. He is a dynasty in another himself. According to the hockey guy. So that guy know it's good that guy no way like guy but anyways You know congratulations to the tampa bay lightning. Even though i despise there every being 'cause they defeated the stars last last Postseason but There are some argument on twitter. And i want to get your get your thoughts about this and we've already made some similar comparisons between this year's montreal canadian's and the stars from last year. You know two teams mostly defensive or wanted definitely a cinderella story and not expected much from them in the playoffs right. I mean in the first round the the stars were expected to lose to calgary and then the same thing with The montreal canadians in the first and the first round. It looked like that they were actually going to lose that first. Round going down three games to one and then they end up in the stanley cup finals. So go figure. But what's your thoughts on that. Is there any real comparison between those two. Oh yeah i haven't. They're super similar Hot goalie that kind of drug him through. I think the stars were scoring way more. I think it was more of a team. Effort on the star side than it was on the canadian side And the stars had a much more difficult path to the cup than the canadians did this year. But i mean other than that. It's really similar in my opinion. They're both not really in the contender slot at the at the beginning of the season. Not what you'd really put him but they ended the season in a great way. Yeah i i think they're really similar. So do you think They will have an opportunity to go back to the stanley cup. Final annexed. Season the macho dance. And what's funny. It's so weird to look at this montreal. Canadian's team realized that they made the stanley cup. Final yet some people are putting them as not even making the playoffs just because of the division that they're in. Oh i think they make the playoffs. But i don't. There's still not a contender in my book. But maybe this is keri prices last hurrah. Maybe he can't do it again. And i mean if you look at his numbers. It wasn't like this season he was exceptional. I mean in the regular season. He wasn't like the best goalie by any stretch. He wasn't investment. Talks at all. So it's not unfathomable that they'll be not the playoffs. But i mean i still think they're a good a good team. Do you think he get an. We're just assuming that the nhl goes to the olympics at this point. If i asked this question which that looks like. That's probably not going to happen. The sad thing but is keri price. The goaltender for team canada when it time comes around based off this playoffs. Do you think that's the thing. No i don't think so. It'll i don't think he's the best goalie Like if you look at the heat okay. He had the best the best Postseason other than vassilev ski obviously But if you look at his regular numbers he's really not that exceptional. I mean we weren't really talking about him in the regular season either like he wasn't he didn't seem like the reason that the canadians were making their big pushes to get into the playoffs. But i mean he's still really good but he's just not. He's not the obvious number one goaltender that he was a couple years ago right so in. You already mentioned this but do you think this is. This was his first and possibly only chance to get a stanley cup. I think if he doesn't get out of montreal than ads is less chance. Do you think he could. He may be as a backup somewhere else than that. Yeah that's what i'm thinking might happen. If he really wants to go for one heck maybe goes too. Maybe he goes to. The lightning seems to work out or just follow patent maroon. I mean that would work as well right. There was a bunch of jokes on twitter. That i was seeing that. Everyone's joking that they were gonna trade mitch minor for maroon because they have pat maroon. It's guaranteed you know. Go for eight million on the on the free agency market because of all the cups has man. That guy makes nine hundred thousand. You know as much as we drown on him and how how stars fans hate him just because of who he is. I mean he does a lot for that team. He plays on their fourth line and he was fantastic for them. He's a role guy he just ends up making big. Plays somehow right and you know. Let's let's talk about another storyline coming out of this Coming out of these playoffs is The the cap situation tampa bay I think they keep the core around a lot of these guys. you know. The big ones stamkos Headman kucherov vasilevskiy but some of these death players in some of these role players that they had I don't see them returning no way. I mean that's where their strength is really like if you look in the in the final game the big guys weren't even there like other other invest leschi. They weren't even showing up. They weren't even really getting great chances in my opinion but their debt is were. They win their hockey games. Like colt. coleman is the number one thing that looking at right now like he probably know chances in tampa bay next year. But that's where their strength is that's why they're able to win and so many different ways is because they had players who can do all the different things well and it's the same thing with All of those other players to you know blake coleman barklay goudreau and then you know speaking of other players that just happened to step up for the tampa bay lightning at the right time. How about the the golden goal for the for for tampa bay. ross colton. He comes out of nowhere this season and he seems to be relied upon and he scored the only goal in the in games five tampa bay lightning. And that's all they needed they just needed one and a it just goes to show you just how deep. This team is a and the deep. Let me ask you this question because there's a lot of Speculation between this to answer that people are talking about but a lot of people are saying that the success of the tampa bay lightning is because of steve yzerman who is no longer with the tampa bay lightning and he's actually now building the team in detroit a Other people are saying no. It's it had nothing to do with steve yzerman. It was all julian breeze bras. Do you think it's a mix of both or do you think it was all steve is. That's why they won back to back cups. I think last season was all steve yzerman. Because i mean pretty much everybody on that team judgment brought in but i mean this season being able to get that high over the cap hit what was eighteen million at the end of the day when it's all said and done like that's impressive like i know i know it's breaking the spirit of the rules and everything but it's in the rules. He followed the rules. He followed abused them better than any other. Gm did so he did his job. The best and that's why he won the the well. That's what it is about on. I'm not saying if you if you can push the rules to score more goals in and you don't do that. You're not doing your job so he did his job. The best of any. Gm did this year by going as high as he could over the cap it and he got another cut because of it so kudos to him you know. Another player wanted to talk about was a knicks zouqi. Holy crap man The combo of him in caufield over the next. I'll say decade because both of these guys are under the age of twenty two that playoff experience that the gained is completely priceless. I mean you can't put anything on it. There's nothing comparable to what they learn. Yes they lost in. You know they really probably wanted it for those guys. Like period and eric saul Shea weber you know carry price even okay prices not that to that age yet he kinda feel like that was his one in his one and only shot but you know the experience. They gained his tremendous for possible future. Stanley cup pushes. And that's what. I think they're still gonna be in the playoffs next year when it's also done because those young guys are still so good and they're just going to get better and like that's where they're like in my opinion. That's where the best part of their team is is in those younger guys in. That's only gonna get better from here so well In so let's talk about the stars related news to this Stanley cup final. Because there's a couple of interesting tidbits coming out of this. I completely forgot about this guy. But how about jamal smith. He got he got a stanley cup increases. Let hough who he used to play for. The sars Several years and he. Yeah i know. But i didn't know he was on the lightning. No i did. Neither until i saw it i guess he was a healthy scrapped. Kit's i saw them out there for the celebration but he wasn't playing the game obviously But you know he got himself a stanley cup good for him and you take them anyway in the end on the on the flip side on the this ad side corey perry second year on row a second chance to get the stanley cup and he falls short Any chances he returns to dallas just based off of the fact that he gained all this experience. No i agree with you too. There's a lot of people that want him to come back. And i'm just like you know we've moved on for them. We we got that opportunity for him last year. Readers could pull it over the door for him but he's shown that he is a playoff guy. So i think teams are going to want him. I ain't gonna go for a decently high price honestly just just because of what he doesn't play and he shows it last year and this year so right and anybody who is looking for the stanley cup push will definitely sign him. I mean you know those. The seem may colorado colorado kinda destroyed in the playoffs by montreal or Vegas and maybe they need somebody like that. Or maybe even vegas needs. Somebody like corey. Perry so Just for his. Anybody could benefit from gory period on their team like a little bit of extra goals in the end of the season and a little bit more grit in the regular season. That's a great option yet agreed in the last topic i wanted to mention with the stanley cup. Final in regards to the stars is all the buzz around. Plano native blake coleman Obviously just based off of what we saw in the playoffs. He could command a lot of a decent amount of money for somebody at his His caliber he some people are even pushing him saying that he could be a top six. Ford definitely i think he could but i think if you look at where they had him he would be most effective on the third line in based off of what i'm seeing for the stars this upcoming off season. I think you could plug him in on the third line in if we keep jamie benn at sinner which i fully expect them to do. They've already talked about keeping him at center been would be the third line center and he could play with coleman and those are two guys that sorta kinda play the same style you know. They've got they play very very heavy. They've they both head lot power forwards. I didn't coleman our third line. Goodness do you. I mean. I mean look at the look at the players that we have and think about the lineup. That could happen for the yeah. You're right right you're right been re technically be on the third line. Yes if you look at the first line. Obviously i would keep the first line the same as this past year because those three guys were just worked. Great together pa- veliky chance rowboat. Keep all those guys together. That means that your second line. You could have Tyler sagan you could have alexander radulov and then you could put gary on off on that second line and that's again that's not a bad second line. It's a great. It's a little older but the with the ground floor and say is still fast cigarettes. Not old i mean he's older. He's older he's thirty. I think in that crazy to think he's almost thirty so anyways. And then that would mean that on the third line that would be jamie benn and blake coleman. I guess you could put tv on the other side. That's not a bad third line and honestly the way that jamie benn has been digressing over the past couple of years with his point totals i think part of that is the system. That bowness has in place. But i think it's it's also just because he's getting older and maybe this we've seen the best of jamie benn but if he can keep him out of third role. I think he can still be super effective. What do you think. What's your thoughts on that. I think that's a great idea. I like being able to spread out the lines as well in. That would make all of our lines really good. It would make us not have a great second line. In my opinion source second line would just kind of be Decent but our it'd be one of the best third lines in the league in our fourth line would still be really strong the way it's always been for us so i think i think that's a great option while in on that fourth line and you know assuming that Dickinson in fox Are not taking more. May one of the two. I don't know the plans of geno. One tuesday too but i mean. Imagine a fourth line of jason dickinson radic fox and blake comeau. That's not a bad for the time. Line and considering the defensive prowess of roddick fox and the fact that he can he can occasionally score goals. He's not the offensive juggernaut that we drafted him to be but he's kind of forced himself into that Defensive role in the same adjacent dickinson doesn't score as much goals as foxy but again. He's a very good defensive forward and that gets me excited you know. Yeah that's what. That's what i was saying. All last season our fourth line last season literally h. l. guys and now the this season and we still haven't made the playoffs like we probably should've and this season our whole whole extra line of guys. That are way better so yeah. This is really exciting for me. I think it's going to be a really good chance for us to go really deep in the playoffs. I am very excited for this upcoming year. And i'm so excited about the short offseason and all this stuff that's gonna fill the short off and now it's gonna feel like there's not even an offseason. I feel like it's going to be great. Yeah it's gonna be awesome so for those of you. That don't know where we just ended yesterday. Hockey ended yesterday. And we're so excited for hockey. Oh i know yeah. Did you see saudi. You said is the tweet this morning. He's he just put. I miss hockey. That's the morning actor. I'm already excited for this upcoming year. This is going to be a lot of fun and Congratulations once again to simply by lightning to wrap things up an also. Congratulations to the macho canadians. Who blew away. Everybody's expectations They deserve way more credit than what. They're getting Everyone's saying that they shouldn't be in the final or whatever but they're also saying that tampa bay shouldn't be in the final because they eighteen million dollars over the cap. You know you're right. It was it was fun to watch in any no montreal gave it through all it. It just tampa bay was too good. The committee's play better than all the teams that they beat. When it comes down to it so yeah they deserve to be there well and and look at the teams that they beat. I mean yeah. I mean yeah. That's what i'm saying. They beat. Were no slouches like toronto is seen as a perennial stanley cup contender in and they completely just washed out winnipeg was seen as a as a decent team but they were they were still expected to lose to winnipeg and then they go against the vegas golden knights. You know who have been good ever since they've existed in the league. So you gotta give montreal props you have to you have to. You can't say that it was a fluke in thinking about that now. More people need to give the stars credit for their fluke in the twenty twenty Boca playoffs so anyways. Two ways Put a nice little bow on that and that ends the twenty twenty. Twenty twenty one season Thank you covert. No-one likes you But we will have a full eighty two game schedule. This upcoming season super excited for that so We'll see what is in store for tampa bay with the offseason stuff and montreal going forward. But here's the main reason for our show tonight. I don't think i've ever done more research in my life than i have the past couple days. Same chris and i are going to go through our seattle expansion draft picks for every single team. So i'm not sure what. Chris did for protected players but We're we're not gonna get into all the rules and stuff like that. 'cause that's that's a lot of explanation that i don't feel like talking about because it's boring that i'm not smart enough to talk about right. There's there's very specific guidelines in so basically at the very least every team has to submit at least four players that are considered expansion draft eligible to forwards one defensemen and one goaltender and what constitutes eligible is when it gets confused right. And there's lots of loopholes and all this other stuff so we're not gonna talk about that but for so for example for the stars. Here's who who are are open geyser. So for for dallas is blake comeau and tenor kiro. They meet the expansion draft requirements. Now that doesn't mean that out of all the forwards that the stars have that The seattle cracking can only take those players so they can take multiple. Different players am for For defenseman. I believe it's andrea sacra and then for for goaltender. Obviously we all know it's Anton khudobin who is eligible for starts now again that does not mean that That it has to be one of those four players. There are other players that are eligible to be taken by seattle. So like for example Everyone's talking about jason dickinson. That seems to be the The biggest pick that everyone saying Others are saying you know possibly at measuring The the ahl stand out from this past year So there's gonna be some good players that are eligible to be taken by seattle and this is based off of right now so if there are trades that happened afterwards. This makes our list completely irrelevant. Yeah i was gonna professor. That are going to be trades and stuff. This is our for like if we'll at least for me. I picked if if seattle wants to make the best team possible so they can win as soon as possible. That's what i chose and assuming that there's no kind of trades or any weird stuff like that just if it happened tomorrow and they want to pick the best team. This is what i. That's what my list is going to be. Okay and we're also going to preface with this that the the players will be protected. There were two options that we could have gone with Cat friendly has a quick protect which it protects players based off of crowd source popularity. I didn't necessarily want to go with that. I wanted to get some local You know opinions about people. So what i did is i went. I went ahead and went with the athletic so there were some exception at us cat friendly so that will be able to kind of debate between those two different ones whenever there differences. It's a couple of pretty big ones. Yeah there's gonna be some huge players. That are i think are available in one of them. I actually took. I was surprised. I took it but my team needed number one center so okay. So how do we want to do this. You started you want me to start. I think we should start at arizona and like go all. What about you. Totally left out my. Let's start. let's start alpha. Go off a better goal. I think that'll keep me thou. That'll keep you in line. Yeah keep me in order okay. I've i've got a piece of paper. I don't know about you. I'm old school. You have it up on your computer or something. Yeah i have exact infused paper. Just didn't put it off. Because i'm not a maniac data maniac. Okay okay so let's see. I need my own duma fauci real quick here Christian why don't you go ahead and tell us your very first. Pick coming from the anaheim ducks. Who did you choose. Okay wait or to go. Yes i think yes. That's correct okay. So from the anaheim ducks the seattle crack in. Select kevin shattenkirk really. Yes surpri shattenkirk ease He's probably gonna be. He might be a number one number one demand on the team So he's under contract until twenty twenty three which is really good. I found that there's actually a lot of good defensemen available right now in this draft. Not so much on the ford department but for defense men there is a lot of male so their second and their third line of defense men. I think you're going to be great. Their first line not might not be amazing. But actually we're going to get there might be pretty good still but yet kevin shattenkirk is first overall. I think he's a really good. Pick all right so for me. The seattle cracking select alexander volkov. Now now this is a very young player who is an rfa coming up this this year. He's only twenty three years of age. And you're gonna see that a lot of the players that i took around the younger side so i kind of went with the opposite. Sorta kinda opposite approach pretty much opposite. Yeah i took some older players so that the team could be competitive now. But i mostly looked forward to the future. Because i don't. I don't expect seattle to vegas golden knights and go to the stanley cup final. But again i wouldn't be surprised because we've seen it. You know they absolutely. Can i think this draft class. They're going to be a really good defensive team. They're not gonna be the same kind as The same kind as the knights were how they were kind of just really good at team offense but i think they're going to be a great shutdown defense team especially if one of these goals that they can pick up can kind of find this fire again. Yep i agree so I mean we'll see how both of those pigs end up. I know this is kind of silly. But one of the reasons why. I picked alexander volkov. Is you know why. He came from the tampa bay. Lightning it just seems like everybody. That comes out of the tampa bay. Lightning organization ends up being a good player. Jt miller who is now in vancouver. carter hagi. Who is now in down in sunrise in miami area florida so that might have been the other reasons why i picked him to saying okay next. Pick second overall arizona. Coyotes chris. You're on the car a from arizona. Coyotes isolated a johann larson or is it johann. I dunno hand larson. Yeah you'll handlers in is going to be kind of a depth guy. He's not going to be super important to honest but he's under contract for a little bit. You don't have to worry about. Getting him resigned real quick. That's the other thing. That i kind of looked at two was a i don't want to i don't wanna have to be signing a bunch of guys before the draft That's something we didn't talk about so if they're if they're not signing a contract they can still be selected by Seattle but the way it works is they'll have ten days before the draft to come to a contract extension in if they agree on a contract extension than they can be selected annette extension will be applied to them in seattle right so for the. I've only done that twice. And we'll talk about those when they come up but for the most part. I wanted to stay away from that. Because that feels like that gives a lot of leverage to the players and that's not going to be a great situation for seattle but yeah You'll hand larson pretty good. He's kind of an older guy. He's about twenty eight but again he's going to be. One of those guys is going to be a middlesex. Guy He is isn't bad stats. But he's not really like a big scorer but you'll be good deaf player from me. The seattle crack in select goaltender aiden hill. So with the with the backlog of goaltenders arizona has and the darcy kemper on c. Rhonda and eight in hill. That's one of the few good things that arizona has going for them. I'm really sorry. Arizona fans i apologize. But i'm going to be taking adrian hill because he has a lot of upside. I don't necessarily think he's going to be the starter for the seattle crack. But i definitely see him as a up a possible decent backup and he is not signed for for twenty twenty one twenty twenty two so he is a restricted free agent. So you'll you'll find that i. I selected a bunch of restricted free agents. Well so yeah who restrict is a little bit easier but but yeah I just don't. I just don't know enough about eight hill. A couple of people like tim so i assume he's a good prospect but i i just don't know enough about it i i rarely know enough about dials prospects. I'm not gonna go so far as to look into other teams prospects that i want to select and i don't necessarily know if you can call him a prospect anymore because technically he's twenty five years old so well goalies normal goaltenders you know yeah they. They ripen later than than others so anyways. Let's keep it moving with the boston. Bruins right houdini. Houdini have selected from the boston bruins. the stupid symbols are so small where to go out there. It is okay. So i've got my goodness this name has it has. The little thing is on top Year emmy lauzon jeremy lauzon. I've no idea how to say that name. Jeremy lasagna lasagna. He's gotten it's got the little it's got the little things on it only boston. Bruins phase it here. You say loved that. Say you said that the first time again do it again. Year emmy lazovic german zahn. Yeah a i. I also selected him as well. I did particular reasons why you picked him. he's a left and right showed defenseman so he he's played both sides so that's not a bad thing obviously helpful He played this year. He's a really defensive minded defenceman From what i've heard and saw like he was. He was really solid on their back on their bottom of their lineup. He's pretty young. He's under contract till twenty twenty two when he becomes. Rfa still so. That's going to be something that could be really easy to resign. He could become a really good defense men later on. He's going to be offensive guy. Obviously he's not going to be a But he would be. He'd be a solid alexia. Heck yeah he's pretty big so not not a bad option. Yeah kinda think along the lines of esa lindell but not to the same level. quite yet. He he may get there but He's a very solid top four option. And he's already shown that playing in boston and based off of who they have to protect As that's a no brainer. I think almost everybody That i looked up the people that i trust online and stuff like that. They all made their selection as jeremy. Lasagna so No question there Agree with you there chris. All right moving on to the buffalo sabres. Who's your who's your pick from the buffalo sabres. I selected a anders bjork again. No clue but he he's. He's a pretty young guy. He's only twenty four He's a he's a big winger so he's gonna be another another kind of depth guy. Maybe maybe not even fully up in the league yet. He didn't play the whole season for buffalo. Seemed like i don't know if you hurt. Every has healthy scratches. But he's six foot left winger he can score but mainly death guy for third or fourth line. Probably but he's a he's under contract for How long is where to go. Yeah for two more season then he becomes. Rfa again so again. That's another guy you can build a team to actually win sorta kinda the same direction but instead of taking unders bjork. I took a guy that was just slightly younger. And i took a rest mass asplund and I mean it was kind of me. You know it just dependent on who you looked at Some people picked bjork. some people picked. Asplund i watched a couple of the highlights on asplund and also on bjork. And i just. I don't know i disliked aspen. Better space the. What i saw was asked was he play like z. More of an offensive guy. He's more of a defensive guy On deal big to Actually i don't know to be honest with you i. It's hard when you're just watching When you're watching film. I'll i'll look it up here in a second. Let you now all right. Let's continue on with the calgary flames based offer food was protected. Who did you pick christian. I picked chris. Tanner i've really though yes i did. I'm taking him he's up. He's available on taking him as much. That's pretty much the way i looked at this christina. He's a big big guy who plays for the flames. He's thirty one so he's not young. We're not building with this guy. But he's gonna make team good right now. He's a really good defense plus minus but the only thing you could look at defense sets on really use plus fifteen this season and he didn't. You'll get twelve points. And he was plus fifteen. Which pratt's pretty damn good. That's very good. Yeah career wise. He's plus fifty eight as well so he's really really good. Defense been really solid And he's gonna be your one or two guy so this is gonna be the one time that i go away for my strategy okay. So based off of who is protected on the athletic crack in select none other than mark. Marchiano dano this is the one time. I'm going away from the whole young players person. Here's my belief in their series. I don't know if he's going to be unprotected. I don't understand but continue few reasons. One is because of the cap hit. Okay and that's also a reason why i'm taking him honestly as well and His age and they've got other players that they wanted to protect and instead of protecting mark john donahoe. On my protected players it was christina. that was protected. here's my. Here's my thing when when vegas came into the league who was there big quote unquote superstar. That that came in flurry right. The seattle crack in need somebody like that. Who has had past success. Who is a big known player in the league. I know he's not the same he's probably not gonna play. You know first pairing minutes for the seattle cracking right off the bat. But i think he is a very good pick. Because you need somebody like marchiano in your lineup and especially for all these younger guys that i selected they can learn a whole bunch of Uh information from him learn how to be a pro. Learn how to get ready for games. Whatever and then you know. I also don't think that he would be a bad first choice for as the first Seattle crack in Captain so that's just don't see how calgary could do that like that's their franchise guy that would be. That'd be honestly the correct decision but their fans would kill them. Well not necessarily. I really don't i don't know mariano is not the same guy that won the norris like three or four years ago he. He's very very quickly declined and to. That's guy i know i know. He's he's kinda like the jerome again line now For that w so. That's gonna be a tough thing for the gm to do well. We'll have to see. But i think that mark jordana will be available and i do believe that. He will be selected yet if ten. Ev is is protected. I'm probably going to do the same thing now. The other option was Oliver schilling ten. I it's it's pronounced chillington but it starts with a k. He's another young guy who's the rfa coming up year. But the main reason why a didn't explain the other half of why i selected them for a salary cap reasons rule for the For the draft is that the seattle crack have have up to sixty percent of the cap. I believe i think it's sixty percent. They have to hit a certain number. A like is like forty eight point five million or something like that. Yeah so It's something like that. So that's one of the main reasons. I also selected him as well. So that's my first major pick in my opinion For the kraken okay Coming up for the carolina hurricanes. Who does the seattle cracking. Select for you christian The hurricanes are pretty well protected on their list this season but they do have somebody stephen lorenz. Who's available right now. He's at almost minimum contract And he's like just barely available because he's played enough in the ahl but this guy is a big center is six four two hundred six pounds. Twenty five he plays center. You always want center. Centers are great. Everybody loves senator stars like the stars the stars we need lots of centers. He's he's a great guy He's going to be kind of power forty he can be a stand in front of the net kind of guy as well but he he's gonna be a great option. He could develop into really good player. He didn't play a ton this season. He played about forty five games but didn't have a lot of minutes. The only at eight points but sooner that big. He's going to be good somewhere agreed. I think he has a real opportunity of being a good third or fourth line for the seattle cracking He was one of my last pigs. Who i might have picked but based off of what i saw who is protected on the athletic site. I took a Again another restricted free agent. I took jake bean. And a jig is seen as a very good solid top four defenceman and i believe that he would be a good selection for the saddle cracking going forward in. I know. I'm selecting a lot of our face but young guys man that i'm gonna i'm gonna take him if one like that is available He's not at the same level as jeremy liaison but he is seen possibly having a higher ceiling. So maybe he projects to be top two but definitely a top four. And he's played a little bit in the very very deep Defensive core of the carolina hurricanes so the that is my pick for the seattle and furthest carolina hurricanes. All right coming up next for the seattle crack is the chicago blackhawks christian who do the Who seattle take from chicago. A took a riley stillman. He's a defenseman for them. He's only twenty three and he's under contract for a good long while and win. That contract runs out. He's gonna be r. Fa will be pretty easy to sign after that but he again he's another solid Another solid defensive. Defenseman He's going to have to fight to get on that third pairing but i honestly think he's. He's the one. I put my money on To win that fight to get on to that roster Just because i think he's played really well few games he has played very much not offensive at all He played about half the games this season and the only points. He has his goal but again he's he's plus five after that too so Off the blackhawks which is pretty good. So i i think he's a really good option. He's really young another guy who can who can be in the center of your defensive core as you move along and it's funny that you picked defenseman I went with kelvin and again defensive defensemen very good pick for the seattle kraken. In order to get started for their first franchise he he will probably with the at an old expensive on. Get what i mean. You gotta take some expensive to hit the floor. So robot hit the cavs ceiling. You don't even know so for for me. It's calvin john from the chicago blackhawks. Colorado avalanche seattle cracking. Chris go so from the colorado avalanche. I am selecting ryan graves. I'm not quite sure. How is gonna be unprotected. While i am kind of because they avalanche are stacked to protect somebody but he's going to be under contract until twenty twenty three which is great. He's only twenty six just also great annual three million and he's already on the second pairing right and he's outstanding so he's going to be at least on the second pairing maybe on the first pairing depending on if he takes over ten spot in my roster but yeah that's a great pick I'm right there with the wrangler chose well how do not take him the the. Here's the only thing that has to be a be shown as well is that. That's assuming that. Eric johnson who has no movement clause will waive his claws. Now if he doesn't then it could be very different who Who i would pick. But i'm going with the assumption. That eric johnson waive his no movement clause and Seattle's not gonna take him if he wakes is cost so I also selected ryan graves as well so i. if he didn't wave his claws i would. I think it might be a different story for me. I was this close to possibly getting brandon. Saad very close to getting brandon. Saad but i was just like ryan graves You can't go over ryan grace so no. That's for me okay. Columbus blue jackets columbus blue jackets. Who are you taking eric robinson. I guess he's kinda big he kinda can score. Sure robinson there's nobody they suck. Okay so here is my pick. It might picks is going to surprise Probably several people i went with. Max domi. I selected max domi I think there's not a lot of forward options for the seattle crack team especially right off the bat max. Domi has not been very successful in columbus. He needs a change of scenery. You know this would be a perfect opportunity for him in my opinion It was sorry you had. He had he had a couple of good seasons in in allison phoenix arizona. He had a couple of good seasons in montreal. I think he just needs a fresh start to where he could possibly be seen as a first line guy starting off for this team so did athletic. Give reason as to why he would be unprotected. Because i have protected on on my on my end. I didn't look too much into it to be honest with you but was available. According to the athletic i'm with you take. I think the reason why he wasn't protected is based off of The fact that he's not worth his cap hit right now. The way he played this past season and the this past season he did not have a good season with the columbus in. He young several good seasons. The past two years have been terrible for him. So i guess if you're trying to dump some cap that that kinda of makes sense but man. I don't think i could get rid of. Max domi that easily. But i i know columbus sucked. So they're probably gonna be. They might be looking. If that's if the choosing to press the panic button. That's what i would do to. I guess but yeah kinda strange at If he's available on taking him to just just for the record. I'm not stupid. oh l. We didn't even talk about center. We'll talk about him if we have time but probably not because we're getting really late already. Okay here we go It to our own team the dallas stars who does Seattle take from the dallas stars from the same conversation. We had a while ago. This is one of the two people that they're going to have to sign. Because jim nils genius in. We are very well protected. They're gonna select jason dickinson in my opinion still He's just all around guy. He could play second line for them honestly. He's that good of a guy he can play wing for them. You can penalty kill for them. I'm sure he could play on the second power play. They wanted that. I don't know. I hope they don't need that. He's an all around guy. I think especially this season. He played great. Advocate would be a great pick for them. Give them a three year bridge contract under the rfa in your very happy with the the other choice that some people are saying they should pick is adam. Aspirin is there any possibility to that. Yeah there's possibility that I still don't think you take him over. Jason dickinson i. If they took a i would be happier than if they took jason dickinson so that means that they should probably jason dickinson. But yeah i mean why would you give up on assure. Good thing as only twenty six if you can sign with three year bridge that's more than worth it He could become a center of your team. He he's shown that he's he's still progressing as a player from last season. It just seems like why not go with the sure thing. He's not that much more expensive. Like maybe two million two and a half. Maybe at max but yeah yep i agree this. There's no other choice for me. It's jason dickinson. So since we're stars podcast. If we could find a way to get anton khudobin off in this in this way i was just thinking about that in In the last couple of bits 'cause this is assuming that there are no deals that are done with seattle other teams which we know there will be at least the very least. There will be one with nashville. Because what we we've heard some Some rumors about that natural really wants to make sure that Seattle this certain player. And i have a hundred who that is but a. I'm getting ahead of myself. A little bit but You know it's very possible that the stars make a deal with the seattle crack in and say. Hey we'll give you a third a third round if you select Anton khudobin for it. And that's exactly what i was gonna say. That's the highest. I would go a third round. Picks goes i think I think we'd get him traded to another team for that. 'cause he's still a good goalie like he didn't play outstanding this year. There was some games where he was. You'll bad but especially gonna price. That's what i was. That's what i was gonna say. And if in we've seen this through the past like four or five seasons even if two goalies that's how you're going to be in contention for the president's cut like if you wanna win the presidents cup you need to. He's in if you wanna be having a real shot at the stanley cup. Two goalies is the way you want to go. So i think we could trade them off somewhere else for it and get something in return to Even if tampa even if Seattle doesn't selected so i think a third round pick is the highest. I would go if they don't take that that's fine. Let them have dickinson. And we'll we'll trade off khudobin for prospect in pick right and the other thing is is that you know the whole dougie hamilton thing. There's a lot of rumors that seattle's willing to pay dougie hamilton. Whatever he wants and we didn't really talk about that with the carolina hurricanes but that's a huge possibility who knows all right next. We're going to the detroit red wings. Who do you got for the detroit. Red wings gimme a second where to go. Okay i got richard panik party He's panic panic. whatever. I don't care. Overtaking yeah i'm not doing great but anyway he's he's thirty he's an older guy but i think it again. He's a big guy. All guys a picture bigger because this is going to be a defensive minded team so i kind of if there was a decision to be made i always pick the bigger guy but i think we could push to try and get him to be a second liner if we needed it on this team So he could be a pushing. Second liner most likely third-liner but either way he's a good experience guy. He's a big guy. He's good on defense. You can put up a couple of points. he played. Let me see four eight games. This season put up thirteen points. That's not terrible Maybe on a new team he has more. You feels more More valued in maybe try to pick out. Pick it up a little bit. But here's the best pick. In my opinion. I actually went the same route as you did. I went a little older with this team. i went with a dany. Kaiser and He's one of the top four defensemen for detroit in on a on a pretty rough team. They're getting better. They definitely got better. This past year but He's easing the top for on their team. I think you. I'm mostly getting him again for the cap hit million. He's only ufa until Next season but the the other reason. I wanted to get him because he he can be a very good shutdown defenseman and i kind of went with the same mindset. As you with the fact that there's gonna be a lot of Defensive defencemen that are going to be available in. I kind of went with more defensive minded team. So dated geyser is my pick for the detroit makes all right edmonton oilers edmonton oilers. Chris who is your pick for the menton oilers for the seattle cracking. You're on the clock so this is another one of my signings Adamant and others. I got a tyson berry buries a little bit of an older guy Again he's a. He's a defensive defenceman. Go figure but he can at least put up a couple of points Wait no i'm wrong. I'm i'm mixing up guys. He is not offensive defenseman to score points guy. I forgot about that. So he's score points guy Too many names. Y'all try doing this. It's so hard okay. But anyway he put up forty eight points last season. That's pretty pretty great Hopefully this guy's gonna quarterback your your power play unit a but yet another one of my signings. I think he's going to. He's going to cost a lot to get him off of edmonton But i think you will. I think you'll definitely be worth it. There you go. So i went with a little bit of a different signing in. There are two reasons. Why is this all right. So based off for the protected list that i saw on the athletic the person who is all available was actually another than caleb jones and he is actually the brother of seth jones. So this guy is a little bit younger He is on the young side. He is twenty four years old. he is under contract for next season. in he will be in our a after next season He's at eight hundred fifty thousand dollars He played a little bit this year. I believe i didn't see a ton of about him. But one of the reasons why. I selected him. 'cause maybe possibly to entice seth jones to come in play for seattle. That was that was my thought So i selected a caleb jones with the chicago blackhawks. Pick a christian. What we got next florida. Panthers this one was actually really interesting for me. Who got from the florida panthers. I went back to the defensemen. I got radcow. Julius another defensive defensemen tyson berry tests Offensive guy is case. Defensive guy okay. we got recco gouda. He's a solid guy He's gonna be your your your your fist defenseman do beyond just because of how good everybody or all the defendant advancement are on this team. But i think he'll be your guy. He's pretty solid is pretty big sixty tall. He's pretty old though. But you know. I like him. I'm taking. This is my other big fish that i wanted to fry. This guy is a ufa going into a this offseason. But i'm picking him because he played well for the florida panthers. This past season in that is goaltender. Chris dreger a florida had huge They've got three goaltenders and again. This is maybe. I'm doing florida favor. Might taking him. But i want to him in. This is all assuming that he will sign a contract with seattle. Which i think he will. Because i believe that he's the He will be the starter further seattle crack in for my team going into a twenty twenty one twenty two so he was a very good pick for me. I'd i couldn't pass him. There is nobody else that on florida that i thought i could take. I thought maybe anthem strowman but again he's on the older side and i didn't wanna pick up too many contracts that were older so I think christina. I've think i would take christie mayor but the only issues. He's not he's not a contract and from the goalies that i selected i would trade him and he wouldn't sign a contract that was going trade him year. Want to start out your your franchises telling a guy you want him on your team trading off his contract so that's why i didn't take him but back you think he's going to be the number one goalie over. I think no no. I think he will. I think him and one other person on my list will fight for the starting job in one will be traded. The other will stay in. Aden hill will be the backup. That's my that's my thought process with the three goaltenders. I chose all about all that. Okay who's next the la kings who just recently acquired. None other than viktor. Arvidsson from the nashville predators. So this was one of the ones that i had update the protected list myself without looking at The athletic just based off of now because they were they were before viktor arvidsson got traded. So chris who are you taking from the los angeles kings if you're a seattle cracking. I got austin wagner. So he's twenty four year old us right winger. He pretty big guy again. doesn't score a lot of points again but this is going to be a defensive minded team. He's also got a lot of potential still. He's still young. He can still develop into pretty good player He's played a couple of seasons in the pros but not not a ton he's shown a little bit more offense in previous seasons but who knows who knows but he's pretty big is gonna be a fourth line scrappy guy. Third line but i like him. We're taking austin wagner. So i went with a first round draft pick guy who is available He was originally selected by the new york rangers and he kind of a very good relationship with the new york rangers so he asked to be traded and he was traded to the la kings. So i actually took lila's anderson This is a high risk high reward kind of pick for me This is a guy who could you. Could you know in. Ask like very big The in the top six and again. Because there's not very many guys that could play a top six minutes that are available in the expansion draft so He is my pick from from the la kings for the. I'm showing him as protected. I agree with you if you can get if you can get him a nephew and get him under contract to which is another one of the big things right because he is a restricted free agent. Yeah yeah i would. I would take him as well. Just let him play those top minutes and see what he can do with it. You know just give it a shot cause like why not yet cert- so i agree if he's unprotected but we'll have to see okay. Let's see what we got next Coming up after the kings are the minnesota wild this is. This was a very interesting. One for me Chris hugely you got Seattle taking from minnesota. I showed that matt numbers available. So i'm taking mad dump yeah. I don't think there's any doubt in my mind on that big either. Because if they tried to the end they're going the seven. Three one rout protecting seven four. It's three defenseman one goaltender in if they go the four four one route. They're leaving some pretty good forwards available if they do it that way. So i'm right there with you. I i take number. He's twenty six. He plays on the right side. So there's not a lot of right sided defensemen His cabinet is not crazy. Bad it's six million. That's that's not Not terrible and he's he signed all the way to the year. Twenty twenty three so I agree with you. One hundred percent matt number is the pick for both of us from the minnesota wild. Okay cut next. Up is montreal. Chris who got. I'm taking my first goal of taking. Jake allen your jake alan yes i am. You're wrong dirtying he. Go look at his stats. Okay stats this season getting okay. Now i want you to guess so. He played twenty nine games. This season nothern about ni- what's insane percentage this season take a guess. Apparently it's crazy. So i'll say like nine twenty two. It's not that crazy. Nine seven nine. Oh seven is good okay. That's not a bad. Save percentage polls against average six eight again. That's good it's not great. It's good i'm trading. Jake gallon after. I picked him up and i'm trading him to a team who needs a goaltender because there's a couple of teams that that really do who are playoff contenders So yeah i think jake allen is pick to make here. I think we're going to trade him off. I think we're going to either get tunnel. Draft picks some good prospects may be trying to make a package deal and sneak away a a top. Six guy will see now. This one was actually a little bit harder for me just because we saw so much montreal in especially started paying attention to them after they swept winnipeg. So i've seen them a lot over the past couple of weeks so it made it kinda hard to decide who i would take a jake. Allen is a very respectable. I was just giving you a hard time But yeah but again. He's an older goaltender older than the guys that have that. I chose so i didn't go with him. I actually went with brett cooper lack. Who brett coup lack. He's a defenseman. He has a very respectable cap. Hit at one point. Eight five million and i understand he. He was healthy scratched a lot during parts of the season. And all that. But i don't i think he was very underrated for what he gave to this Montreal canadian's team. So i think he could be a possibility in the bottom two further s seattle cracking but again i loaded up on defense so it really just depends on who needs what and all that sort of stuff. So that's who chose brett kulak from the montreal. Canadians chris give me that. Look like you think i'm stupid. Okay all right. Here is the most interesting one of them. All in my opinion the nashville predators. It's time for national chris Hoodie got elected this. I saw so many good players arrogant. Ford's on honestly is what i was looking at mostly. Because they went they saved only three four words on their protected list and four defensemen and then one goal is what. I'm showing wait. That doesn't make sense. Does it or six seven eight nine make sense. It probably have four one somewhere. There has to be another former. That was protected from someone else protective. But i'm confident. Pick a guy that would have been protected. I think this is still messed up from that. Trait but whatever. i'm pickin. I think it's kale yarn croak. That's correct or is a collie. I know idea i never. Here's i know you said it right that you're one you're one for. I'll take all right. Kills going to be your top six guy here. This season he played forty nine games. Twenty eight points pretty. Dang good Goals and assists. Were pretty much even pretty high high scoring guy. he's a he's shooter shooter. I he's he's twenty nine so we not not super young. But i mean he's going to be a solid guy who who's proven he. Can he can score points. So we're gonna put him in the top six because there's never many top is available. Obviously so all right so this is why it was so interesting for me christian because some of the protected less i saw most of them did not have them protecting their top two centers. So cool right right so that means according to jake. That's you're right. i did and it would. The decision was between for me was johannesen or matt duchenne. I mean with those two guys being available. You have to choose one of them. I've said it for the third time. There's not very many good. You know top six forwards that are going to be available for the seattle cracking at least not established top six. Who do you think. I went with with one of those players. I actually don't remember so using that list earlier. I don't remember who you picked here. I would go with ryan hansen. As did i so i i left matt. Shane in the dust. I think one of the main reasons why did not select him is because he has not had good seasons ever since he left colorado and now colorado is a perennial stanley cup contender. So they can think matt duchenne for that but The other reason i chose ranger hansen is because i think ryan hansen needs just a change of scenery. Ever since he came from columbus. He's been okay for the nashville predators. But i think change of scenery for him He would be my number one. senator no doubt For the opening night roster. So for me. I take the guy that's two years younger than Duchenne and i take ranger hanson. Yeah i don't. I know they haven't had great seasons. But jeez you're gonna who are you gonna get with that money like especially in a money thirsty market right now. Since we haven't had the extension i don't. I don't know you made the playoffs. I feel like that's a bad decision if the do that but we'll see that's a pretty pretty ballsy move if you do that but i've definitely on your side if they do that. You're taking one of them you you've got. I mean yes. Seattle has to with the the way that i'm doing. The expansion drafts. They have to take command guys but they also have to show that they're gonna willing to be competitive right now. I mean you know maybe above a playoff team may well may in ryan enhance is going to be a good player for another like five years at least in my opinion yes like he's going to be at least a top six guy. I know his contract is eight million and that's a lot for what he's doing but it's not. It's not ridiculous right like agreed. So i'm taking gotta do. It aren't as crazy now. i know i well. The thing is that they they're going in a different direction. That i think they're tearing everything down. They're going to blow it up after making the playoffs may be my guest. You do. I think it was a little bit of of a fact that they got hot at the right time in the stars just couldn't catch him. Of course it of course a big thing but but still need. I don't get i mean. Think about it. Ryan hansen will be gone. Pick as not coming back. I don't think he's going to be resigned. I think he may be a backup somewhere else. also. I also expect matija at home to be traded. So i think that david poile is finally semi tearing things down. I i really i really think. That's it for the eh nashville predators. Okay here we go moving on to the new jersey devils. A new jersey sucks saying god. Nobody but i found it interesting prospect He's actually played a little bit for him. But i'm taking nathan bastion is right. i think. So that's what i don't know about. I think that's right. He played forty one games for ten points. Pretty respectable but again. This guy's a monster. He's six four he plays right. Wing is only twenty three is under contract for a little bit and then he becomes our right. Is that correct. I think that's correct so Yeah that's correct But yeah i think he's a. He's a great option. He could become super great power forward. I mean he's only twenty three so he's definitely still. This was his first year in the league. I think i think he's the best option on on their team. They don't really have anybody who can be good right now. In my opinion right was you wanna take Bans nine million dollar cabinet. Nobody i i don't even think the effort to protect him honestly at nine million dollars. You're not gonna take case you ban a way so my pick from the new jersey devils and there wasn't much to be honest with you to choose from. I'm a with a name. That i was more familiar with that. I had heard round hockey circles. I went with andrea johnson and As i think he's a good middle six a guy he is. He's a winger. he's twenty six years old. He's got a respectable cap. Hit at at three point four for this year next year. And then he's a ufa twenty three twenty four so I picked him for seattle coming from the new jersey devils All right chris Moving on who is next. Islanders believed the islanders. Okay so from the islanders. A i got i got a weird one but i i selected a cal clutterbuck but his contract is not great. He makes a lot of money but again we're talking about is hard to find some talk top. Six guys could be a top. Six guy coutts. No cal clutterbuck camera lease you see on the fourth line in new york canal okay. But he's a good player. i will say he's against score points he can. He's very good defensively. But he's all over the ice. He's a fast guy. Need to think of cal clutterbuck. More like a nick carry a reeves kind of think. He's a second liner kinda guy. Who absolutely up. no. I think he is not disagree. Is gonna suck anyway. Why not put cal clutterbuck on there. I think cal clutterbuck always plays really well. I think he makes a lot of space. He's a quick guy. Good on the four check. I liked cal clutterbuck so You know honestly. I didn't really have a choice in this. I just picked at random. And i i just went based off of what other people told me. So i chose auto cove koi rula. I think that's his name. He's his a rfa. The this year he makes seven hundred. Eighty six thousand dollars is a left. Winger whose twenty two I'm mostly making this pick. You know because there's a chance. He has a huge offensive upside. Maybe he's my william carlson of this draft. I i don't know but that's all i got on. I mean they were very well protected. New york islanders were so. I'm taking cal clutterbuck Cow i will give you that. A calculator brooke has a very good pick. He's another person that i might pick okay moving on to the new york rangers near rangers. Who do you got Let me see here. I got anthony liangelo the controversial man. Yup so so. I'm taking him again. Just because we're going to load up on my defenseman Yeah offensive upside he. Is you like that yet. But the i mean does does all of his off ice stuff distract from all of that in the other thing is in why i thought about taking him just for his his play on the ice but it sounds like if you take him. You're doing new york. The new york rangers favor because the the rumor around the new york rangers. Right now is that they are going to buy him out so he may just be available anyways in the in the under strict free agent market. So that's mainly why. I didn't take him in amd plus at four point. Eight million dollars. You're doing the rangers a huge favor without getting anything from them in return you could say. Hey i'll take tony dangelo. If you give me a third round pick or a second round. I you know what. I'll say second round pick just because How controversial he's he's been in a. I mean you know picking a fight with your georgyev. Picking fights with other teammates. You know with all of that but happened and So maybe maybe. I don't know. But i understand why you took him because he is definitely the best player on the list. That is available Yes not can. Actually change could would be able to give a better offer than the then. Seattle would Like if they're trading seattle really doesn't want to give up a draft traffic right now because they have literally nothing. So you wanna hold onto all that as much as you want. So i think just take him and using for year end that way like if anything does happen like just dump them next season like in. That's that's all you have. So i think it's it's not a bad option Irons itself out. Which i think it could. I think he's fine. He's a young guy. I mean tyler seguin was kind of kind a little wild guy in any change teams in kind of figuring out you know sometimes guys just need to just need different scenery figuring out and if he does like he could turn out to be like one of the top defencemen in the league. Honestly i like. I think he was being talked about. You know in. I mean he wasn't like a finalist. But i think he did not sunburst votes for the african. What your was it might have been eighteen. Nineteen or seventeen eighteen. He could be like a klingberg. Kinda guy you know. Maybe it's worth the risk. In my opinion. I don't agree. I don't think anyone else on new york is is a good option. To be honest. I took from the new york rangers. I took kevin ernie He's a right winger. Seven hundred fifty thousand. He's ufa next year he projects for me. Third third line possibly second line depending on the rest of the depth of our team and i think he'd be a good addition From clips. i've seen look them up. I liked him. So as i get any. Plus he get a cool name. He sounds like a talk show. That sounds like a evening talk. Show name right kevin rooney. He should get his own talk. Show now right. Yes definitely just because he said that. Because i said that. Okay ottawa senators. Who are you taken from. The are the senators chris. Lowe clue mc paul. Nick fall in. I think i picked one guy really kinda you again. Main reason why. I picked him Perspective we traded him to ottawa Deal and he's been a decent player. A middlesex guy for the ottawa senators. And i think this is one of the guys that audible really doesn't wanna lose so that just makes me wanna more from seattle so. I'm taking all as realistic reasons why i got him. He's a big guy again. We let big guys. Big guys are great. He's six three left-winger to twenty five. That's a man and this season he kinda had an offensive like outbursts like in fifty six games. He had twenty points. That's not at all those. Were assist belykh. If you're away get goals the ice we like you so yeah especially for a offensively starved team. Which is what we're looking at right now. So okay That's that's funny you that we both chose. That doesn't matter right. Yeah you know. I almost at all no no. It wasn't the team. There is another team that i took almost someone else. Okay a coming up next to philadelphia. Chris you got a wait. Oh no now. I remember okay. Ause winner nells like what the heck is wrong. Not okay so i'm selecting james. Van rooms dyke if he's available so is to spray all but this guy's gonna score goals for he's gonna be your top. I think he might be the guy with the c. On his chest never agree with the agar with either some aspects. You could argue that he would be. The captain of the seattle crack in. This guy. seems more flurry like in my opinion than somebody else. Maybe matt dumbo kinda disease. A pretty big name as well but see that. He's he's under contract until twenty twenty three as well a seven million kind of a lot. But i mean you're not going to get a good option in your in your first line. And i mean he's been stuck in he's been stuck with the flyers totally the holding who that's sets mean christian. That's so mean. The flyers sack are they. They had rape letters. They have great players and they still can't do anything that they find a player in cluj aroo iva he would be like one of we would say he's a top five guy any other team like tough. I've guide in the league but we don't ever see him because he doesn't play any nationally televised games. He doesn't play any playoff games. They go nowhere. That's so sad. I'm so sad for quad ru yemen. And he's getting up there in age to thirty three. He's almost done. he's and he's done. Nothing is team has done nothing. And he's almost the flyers. You're kinda like a. I can't think of another team. That's a good example right off the top of my head right now but it's like they. They make the playoffs capitals. Make the playoffs. Those yes yes. And it's just like every other year they have a really good year then they have a really really bad year where they have a great season. They just lose in the playoffs playoffs. There's like oh whatever who have claw drew in all these other great ford's good for at for check who cares luscious And not meant not to mention kevin hayes to you know when he when he signed that contract. It was seen as a bad contract. And you know it. It really matters. I think it might have been ron hextall. Who is there. At the time i don. I don't remember that's probably wrong but it was seen as a bad contract. And you know it's extra come out to be okay. So in kevin. Hayes seemed to be like the guy in the bubble playoffs who was really playing well for the flyers so Anyways to get back on track. I also selected. James van van rims doug as well and again. I'll just go with the same argument. Top six player Yeah he's older yet. He's got a high cap hit but He's a guy that you can score goals and honestly with my top line right now. I don't have a bad top first line. I have max. Domi james van dyke and ryan joe hinson. I mean all three of those names. Are you know recognizable top line. I think those are top. Line guys to Maybe max domi isn't right now but he's going to get the opportunity with With my seattle cracking team so So we both use him from philadelphia flyers felt. That was pretty obvious. Okay coming up next. Is the pittsburgh penguins. Chris who do you got. I got a jared mccann so this guy is a left winger on the paying was. He's only twenty five very good. You like that. Hope he can with the team for an extended period of time. He's already played a decent amount of games for us or for for the For in the nhl and who's been on a couple teams but this season especially played really great yet. Forty three games played in thirty two points. Which that's pretty ridiculous. So you're hoping that this guy can push into that push into that top two pairing and he again. He's under contract Just for this year but after that he'll be an rfid too so that will hopefully be a pretty easy signing. And i think this is the guy who's a. Oh gosh. I can't remember you to him. The guy on the guy who wasn't great and then he turned out to be really good on the on the nights. William carson yeah. That's that's my william. Carlson is jared. Mcken think he could turn out to be really great player at. That's a very good pick. He was my second pick I think he was actually protected on my list but it same argument again. Top six forward I chose jay jason sucker. He's a guy that is not going to be a top six. Not first line guy for me. Because i've got three other guys a second line of forward for me and play on the left side He's you know he's. He's kind of in the prime of his career. He's twenty nine years old. He's he's about the same age. Tyler sagan Five point five million dollars cap hit. He's under contract till twenty twenty three. So it's good to get some of those players Like him and he can score goals. He scored goals in minnesota. He scored goals for pittsburgh. Pittsburgh hasn't had a good couple years the past couple years but he chose booker. Yeah for from the pittsburgh penguins. And i think we're we're on that same kind of page if either one of our guys is protected. We're gonna do the other one. But i think i feel like malcolm crosby are getting so old. I feel like they needed they to save as many guys where good right now already. Just keep on trying to win until crosby's took crosby's honestly unless you want to blow up the team in like crosby in his career on a bad team which i don't think he'll enjoy but when you when you look at the team honestly across the still productive player even at his age he's he's he he. He's a great player. In my opinion he's still a second best player in the league Other than i think hundred news at least five key i. i think he's taken over. He's been taken over by connor. Mcdavid mcdavid number one. But i would just put him second just because of what he does for his team it. It may be a little hard to argue. That based off of the past three years in the playoffs. They've been out in the first round but you know they've got some young guys to looking at this list of zach He's he's in our if he's only twenty. Six teddy bloggers only twenty six. Jared mccann assuming that they keep him Which in my list they do. A qatari cabinet is only twenty four and only twenty six so they've got a a younger group of guys other than just malcolm crosby in tang and that you know those the older guys who won the of the three cups so Do they start tearing it down. I don't think so. I think it's too early Maybe a year or two maybe start going after younger players and start saying okay we gotta get younger but not right now. Not at this point. I think they're kind of in the same Limbo as the stars. Sorta kinda away. They've they've got some older guys who they want to try and get one more cup with in. They're just not willing to tear down everything just yet. So anyways My box for the pittsburgh penguins. Next up san jose sharks Think i'm gonna do a last minute. Switcheroo risky oh interesting. So i i did have a matinee to probably said completely wrong no you said it right you sit right man. I'm so good. But i was gonna gonna gonna let him play on our fourth line easy. So he's under contract for a while. Still which is really good. But i was gonna pick him but he can't go at all man. It's pretty bad. But there's a prospect alex true on san jose sharks is in our. Fa you can get him signed. That'd be awesome. He's a six four six four center. Yes six four center is only twenty three. You just pair. You just barely played a few games this year last year just on call ups but he's gigantic hasn't filled out his size yet. He still is way too thin. He could be a really great player a lot more offensive potential and i think giving him the chance to planet in a joe. Rosters is a great idea and being six five. That definitely won't hurt so last minute change. i'm taking i'm taking a alexander true Are you just using him. Just because he's a younger guy and you saw at the last second rather take younger guy yeah and matinee tow like the best he's gonna do is be a fourth liner in. That's at best. You might not even be that. So i'm just there's not a great option on san jose and i didn't like my my matinee to pick when i when i looked at it and then i i see saw alexander true Take a second look. And i'll go with alexander true so i actually chose montenegro. That's funny that's like the third time we've done that completely A by accident but it. He's just a name i recognize. I know he's a good bottom six guy he can play on the penalty kill You know at believe. He signed for the next couple. Yeah he signed for the next out. That was the big reason. I picked him because he was already signed for the next couple of years and like he would be a solid fourth liner. Let you he'd be like a combo for us. You know but i see more upset with alex yet is just went with matt nato just because i thought he would be a good pick for the seattle cracking. He'd be a great Bottom six option an Close choosing a rudolph balsers But i would just like man. Take a guy that you complained about him. Six right now. moving forward Finally get to like the last six or seven here st louis blues. Who is your pick for the st louis. Blues christian have scar sunkissed. So i don't know twenty seven very old. He six three. That's pretty big. I don't know i'm taking oscar. It's all it's all you got saw all right so For st louis. I believe i took a defenseman. Yes i did. I took a another young defenseman. Who is a restricted free agent. This year I took vince done and He was a guy. I saw that Played pretty big minutes for the st louis. Blues this past season. he's again. He's a young guy he's predicted to be in. Nhl defenseman I don't know if he will play for the cracking or would trade him off but again he. I think he is the best option. The best asset that The seattle cracking get from st louis blues. So that's my choice is okeydokey moving on even further The second most interesting one in my opinion The tampa bay lightning that. You're twenty twenty one stanley cup champions Who is your choice here. Christian who got. He's available on taking him. Taking tyler johnson. No surprise there I expected you to take him. He's got to score points for you. He could be a first liner if just meshes better with some different players. Whatever most likely you're second line center but he's a great player. He's a great player on on the lightning really skilled. Lots of lots of assists. Really of blame acri guy. But he's he's played onto cup onto cup teams already. So i like tyler johnson. Here's my thought process with tampa bay. The only way that tampa bay is gonna get under the cap is if they use the seattle expansion draft to their to their favor in in in all reality. It's going to be more in favor of the seattle cracking right. So here's my thought process. I did not take tyler johnson for one specific reason. I'll tell you why in a second. But i chose a matthew joseph and he is another guy who is a A another forward who. I think could possibly be another william carlson like pick. I we see these tampa bay just seems to has have this depth. The answered a a young player. And he just fits perfectly and lineup in matthew. Joseph does that for the tampa bay lightning and based off of what i saw on the stanley cup final. He was very noticeable to me and he did a lot of very good things. Chris stop give me a dirty look but okay so here's also dumb now. Here's why i didn't choose her tyler. Johnson i think tyler johnson is gonna be a seattle crack in anyways in. I think that the tampa bay is going to make a deal with seattle to make And sent him off to the mccracken. I'll take seattle the cards to get him. I think they definitely do. They have all the cap space in the world and for everybody who is living for you. He's he's still signed with the lightning right. He's still silenced. All the apps basement so someone else is gonna want him and they'll they'll give you some prospects picks and something for him. I don't think. I don't think seattle's will to to give that kind of stuff up well in my thing also is in. This is kind of petty too. But i didn't wanna do tampa bay favors either. That's the big thing i was thinking you doing. It was like the best option for the stars. If they don't take them sir. Yeah sure if seattle takes him in the expansion draft then he's immediately. They're under the cap after that. So that does it does favors for them. But right like i don't see how you don't take him away. Matthew have matthew matthew. Joseph is cheaper guy he's an rfa. He's a younger player. he can still play top six. In my opinion. I think you can insert him into the top six And he's just a younger player so he can be around seattle longer. So he's gonna he's gonna have that. You want players to have loyalty to your team. Now you're not gonna have a bunch of that right off the bat. But i think that is one player that you definitely could have a make him have a loyalty to your team. And that's why attitude younger guys. So that's me math joseph. Some of it is personal because of the stars but whatever all right man let's continue on Another interesting choice. A toronto maple leafs. Who do you got from the toronto maple leafs on taking jack campbell. Jack campbell is going to be one of my goalies in my in. My dynamic duo. He's gonna be he's gonna be playing. I think he's going to be a good goaltender for them. I think he'd likely resign if he becomes the number one guy which i think he would be the guy that i'm about to take but i think what he showed in in toronto is legit. That's legit jack campbell. So i think. I think if not taken a chicken frederick really really if if they protect campbell. I'll take frederick. Yeah so that's my. That's my thinking chris is. I don't think he's going to be available period. Not there's no chance that he's going to be available he he will be the starter for the toronto maple leafs next season and you can mark my words on that if he's not available. I'm taking frederik anderson just as happy honestly. The my only thing is is frederik anderson going to sign a contract. Because he's a yeah this year yes he will. He's going to take a pay cut. He's gonna not wanna be backup goalie and if he goes to seattle he's gonna in the fight for it whereas if it goes to toronto there they're already gonna be inclined to protecting jack campbell. They're gonna be inclined to to to start jack campbell. They're saying that he's more important than you. So he he's. He's a number one goalie. Who wants to be number one goalie. So he's gonna go where he can get that kind of playing time in my opinion so i think you'll get you'll get him at under five million so the there's there's a lot of speculation with toronto for me with who's going to be protected who's not going to be protected Mostly because you know toronto. Is you know the the most heavily covered team in canada. So there's obviously going to be a lot more media about the toronto maple leafs just. It was really hard to decide. I kind of went through. And i did a little bit more research on. Who would be the protected players for the For the for the toronto maple leafs. I saw i saw four. Four one protected lists seven thirty one protected lists and the it seems as come down to players it's industry depending on which format you go. I think they're going to go with a seven three one format. That's just me. I think the. I think that will leave. Justin hall unprotected. So i will be taking justin hall He's a he's a little bit oven. Older guy So he's twenty nine and he really just popped up this season. He had a really good season for the toronto. Maple leafs He's he's more of a defensive guy and he's really he's got like the jamie alexi ac for toronto he really solidified that fourth spot on their decor So i think I will be taking justin hall. If i'm the seattle crack for the toronto maple leafs if they go the 441 route. I believe that alexander kerr foot would be available. I would take alexandra curfew. He could be a second line guy If he's available that's i agree with that. I think four picks on toronto are really good to see riley ashby available. That's a good option. I think he'd be a top. Six guy Wayne simmons is a decent option. He's a little bit not really a top six guy so much but he he's under contract already so that's a good option. I i just don't know if you had taken him. I like him. I think he's a good player. I think he's a solid bottom. Six guy you could score sometimes students. So maybe maybe i am just kinda surprised that they signed him before expansion draft because that eligible to be taken and they already i think durant i think he's fulfilling one of the one of the spots that they need now. Will they already had two guys. They had alexander foot in they had So maybe with them. Signing wayne simmons. Maybe that gives them the opportunity to protect Alexander ker which is why. 'cause if they don't have wayne simmons they have to leave alexander foot available so that's why i think they're gonna go with the four four not the not the four four one seven three one route seven forward state defensemen one goaltender 'cause then they can protect him and then that leaves two players Peer invol- in wayne simmons available. So either way. I don't think you're making a bad pick here. Late right agreed. Whoever you pick here is going to be pretty. Pretty solid is going to be a part of the team definitely agree one hundred percent agree there. Okay moving on we got. We are down to the last three vancouver canucks the seattle crack in pick christian. He's available. i'm taking. We're taking braden holtby. And he is going to be the guy you're looking at the guy you're looking at starting. Okay okay. I know he sucked. He was better. I get it get his career stuff. Nine fifteen save percentage awesome two point. Five eight goes against awesome. He has been a greg goaltender. He won a cup awesome. He was a gray goaltender. He makes one of the best saves ever seen okay if he can get if you can find that again like seattle's a great team off the bat. That's a big christian. I don't see it again brian. Hopefully but even. If it's not then i got either j. Gallon or jack campbell slash frederik anderson. Who's going to be in. There is going to be a dynamic again. It's gonna be two goals like i'm not gonna have one goalie playing for it for their. You're pretty much do the one a one b type of thing. So i think it's worth the risk to take a brain hobie. See what you can do and again like you've said before maybe you can get him without using your pick in the draft and pick him up as in a trade or something like that. But i think he's a fine option. I did not take brain hobie. Obviously they they signed him last year with the intention of exposing him in the expansion draft. Because obviously they're not gonna leave thatcher damn co available right there's no chance So yeah but the only thing for me is that he just hasn't been good the past couple of years. It seems like ever since he won the cup he hasn't been the same and that's why i mean. Maybe he has a resurgence. 'cause i mean flurry. Did that flower did that in vegas so he had one hit one bad season and he was pretty much given a backup role after that. So i don't know i feel like they. They took him off the ice too quick. I think he's totally could could find what he had. I think it's worth anyway. Who'd you take I i took a lesser-known guy. In i will say thank you to the hockey guy for this. Because he obviously he's maintain vancouver So i chose None other than make sure. I'm saying his name right as zach mcewen. And he's a twenty five year old center again. You can't have too many centers like we like we've been saying this whole So podcast He makes eight hundred twenty five thousand and he's under contract for next season so He's maybe not second line. Third fourth line possibly. He's he can kill penalties. he's he's he's got a mid sized guy up to larger range So yeah that mcewen. That's who i took and i left. Dude there's some good players you're not Brand sitter tanner. pearson it. will i. Don't have the protected list in front of me. But i believe both of those guys were protected protected on yours yet. I have a lot of younger of a younger guy. Allies pederson tyler. Obviously those stupid thing to say tyler. Tyler protected jake vich vitrine Take tannin virtanen. Whenever for seven for evening does that make it serving for six low. But yeah i would take or antoine roussel. That's honestly not a bad pick. Like as a fan. Favorite kind of brings more fans to the stands. If you're if you're trying to be trying to sell take a guy that you would want to have if you're trying to sell tickets and you're trying to be a low ball team in by players for the free agency answering herself kind of guys not bad option. Just at three million. That's a lot for me. Yeah it's a lot for self but you know it is what it is. Yeah i i. I just like the way zach. Mcewen plays Unique watched the huggy guy videos every day and he has nothing but good things to say about him. And i've watched some some highlights of his and i liked the way he played. So that's why does Okay we are down to the final to the w is Washington capitals For you christian. The seattle crack end select. We select daniel sprung so daniels. Brown is kind of a nobody but he played. He played a little bit but this season he eat a little bit better. He played four two games. this season. twenty points nothing about nyat. he's a six foot right winger. He's only twenty four so we get even better than he is now may he looks like a forty year. Old man of. I don't know about all that. I'm not saying you're ugly dude but come on via this guy is going to have some offensive upside. I think he's gonna fight to be on the second line because again like we said there's not allowed of top six guys but i think he's a great option to get a little bit more goalscoring all right From the washington capitals for me the seattle cracking select v. tech vantage check all right and vedic finishing at all. Yeah love yeah he. I'll gotta love the name right. I mean the as such an awesome name. I imagine him being like a broadcaster later on in life. and just here in the name alongside check. I'm brian chambers. That's just an awesome name. Sorry but it we. We should do apart jerky yoki book i iii. We should do like a podcast about just like awesome names of the nhl and yeah. You're yoki yoki pocket. One play for the defensemen Ho- gosh was that five six years ago that to lousy while you're signing yeah just for his name all right We'll i chose him Just based off of his play as the unexpected starter for the washington capitals this season You could technically argue that. He was the best goaltender for them. This past season I obviously samsonov is gonna be a protected by them and the i liked his play. This was the year of the young goaltender. i mean with all these Nadeau kovic Our own jay. Cotton jer Vita vana check capo talking. And there were just a bunch of guys young goaltender. She stood out and he stood up meat so for me. I took v. tech vantage ic. Okay any comments about that. Sure i mean you're you tell me i'm taking a step saying britain could be a good goaltender again and then you're taking be take and check in whoever the heck it was earlier. I don't know about all that younger goaltenders are really did. My three goaltenders are twenty five. Twenty five and twenty seven. So i did not go for the the expected. Older guys So that's that's just what i went with Who i thought would be the best. Okay last and but definitely not least unless you are playing montreal in the Quarterfinals the winnipeg jets. The winnipeg jets christian. Who do you get from winnipeg. That seattle is taking so i'm taking carbon interesting contract. Actually taking adam lowry i have. That he is unprotected. He's twenty eight. He's a senator joining about three million. But this is what strikes me. His contract goes till twenty twenty six. So this guy end like he's not a terrible player either. He played fifty two games. This season twenty four points. Pretty decent He's six five. He's a monster He's gonna fight to be on the second line. I think with a couple of other guys. I mean there's gonna be not great player in the second line that's just a given just because that's how they work but i think he's gonna be. I think he could be really good on this team. And having that super long contract like he could be kinda you can be like a franchise guy you know. I think. I think it's an interesting option and i like him. We're larry. I i like that. adam. Lowry has played a decently. For the winnipeg jets. It would suck for him because his dad is one of the coaches for winnipeg so he would end up. That's why ask not protected like he signed until twenty twenty six. I think it is dad's a coach. And you're going to protect her. Yeah i really. You're asking for him to get take. I really do think that he's predicted in on my list. So that's just me that's I think he is going to be protected. I went with. I had no idea no idea who this guy was until do looking up other a seattle draft expansion possibilities with all the nhl guys all the athletic guys just looking at all these random things. This was almost a unanimous decision across the board Based off dirty. Been o-. I've only if i were not sure if i want us more if i want to score goals against myself all i'd pick jordan been. I picked a mason appleton mason appleton about. Yeah he is a A center who can also play on the right wing. He'll be a restricted free agent Next season He's got a very respectable nine hundred thousand dollar cap hit a. It's a guide that has possible offensive up upside So he might play for the second for the second line But in middlesex. Somewhere is where i would probably put him. He has killed penalties in the past. Apparently so that's another reason why i would pick him But i he. And i looked up some highlights of his on the youtube and i liked what i saw. So he's actually projected on mine so again we're doing the same. We would flip players. I think here agreed. Yes depending on who they protect but yeah that'd be pretty gutsy To protect appleton xeres asking for lower to get taken. And then you're gonna have unhappy player in an unhappy coach. I don't know about all that. Okay so let's just look at the lineups that we have right now. Let's look at our starting line opening night for the seattle cracking. Who is your forward line. Who's your top defensive pairing and who's your starting goaltender. go first. yeah you can go okay. I'll go first so for me Who i would go with. Obviously i kind of already said it. For the forward grouping put ryan hansen down the center at put a james van right. Sorry james van rims dyke. I always say his name wrong on the left side. And i put maximum me on the right side. that's a. That's a line. that has some possibility. There's some goalscoring that could be done there. and I really like a. I really like that. I really liked that i. It's not a terrible. I line to take a from the seattle crack Is it a possibility that they make the playoffs. Yes with that first line But maybe maybe not. I don't know for my starting depayre. this was a little bit harder because there's a lot of good demand here man. I think what i'm gonna go with. I'm gonna go with matt doumba germy. That'll be that would be my starting first pair For seattle upcoming season and then my starting goaltender of already mentioned. It will be. Chris dreger He's gonna be my starting goaltender for the seattle expansion draft I don't think that's a bad starting lineup. If you start that you're much better than mine. Yeah my forwards were not as plentiful as yours were so hooligan. So i've got my first line. Not great i got james van dyke which is pretty good. I'm i put tyler johnson up there and then i got jared mccann up there as well. I mean that's kind of. I don't have the other the all god's james ray had ribs like i don't have the other two guys that you had on there. Who were they again. I can't even It was max domi and also ryan your hands it. Yeah that's for your first line. That is ideal. And i don't have those guys so i was going to be a little bit tough egg at you're gonna want to ensure you're gonna wanna trade slash by somebody before your season fully gets up there But my first pair. So yes if the first pair I'm going to say his best case scenario again. So we're gonna go the best case scenario. Your first pair is gonna be mad denver in anthony de ngelo so we're gonna say deangelis chill. He's all east fine. He had some water thrown on him and he feels a lot better about himself. I don't care that the both defensemen. I really don't they're going to be. You wanna do all right. And then who's your starting goaltender. My starting goaltender is brain holtby. He's coming effort comeback. He's gonna be great but he's barely starting goaltender he's away. Your won't be as jack. Is jack campbell and or frederik anderson. I'm guessing and educators. Because jack i can guarantee you jack campbell will be protected. He will not be available hundred. I'm guarantee and a he will not be available. I think it'd be crazy to but yeah all right Well that's a long time but that was fun all right before we go We've got a a little question that came in from twitter in we're going to start a new segment starting tonight and the segment is called. Who cares and i got this Submitted on twitter. What are your top three chicken fast food restaurants. 'cause you know taking fast food restaurants are big down here in the south in in texas in my opinion. So let's see if we got the top three correct according wrec. Yes because mine is correct. Whatever you say if it's not mine is incorrect okay. So it's so very wisely. What's your top. Three are a certain number. Three survey number three so chicken fast food restaurant is very broad. Okay you got chicken. Fingers got chicken. Sammy's you got fried chicken. You know you normal on the bones. The right man you give it lumps includes you could love hot wings in there. I'm not gonna do that because that would take up my list so no hardware hard wings of make this harder so no chicken wings but like chicken. Fast food places not wingstop not buffalo wild wings. Nothing like that all right number three. I know you don't go here. But i'm saying pop is throw up there on the bone two piece dark meat. Combo fried chicken is the best. You get spicy okay. The spicy is not spicy. It's like spiced. it's not hot. It is so good. It's amazing their fries or some of the best fast food fries like across all genres. They're amazing they have red. Rice and beans slaps outstanding doughy to popeye's chicken. If you don't believe me you will not eat. Kfc again okay. can we. Can we both agree that. Kfc sucks no kfc does not suck. It is known fantasy sucks. It's not a question this it's it's not even it's not even if you asked it as a question it's no no i. It shouldn't be on anybody's less now and the only place that's popular. I don't know why. But when i went over to london and i mean across the pond london like in england. They were everywhere. Kfc was everywhere. I didn't understand not bad. It's it's not good. It's bad could hate knock it. It's not the best chicken it's good like. It's not bad chicken all right. Here's my number three aden. We're just lucky because we're in the south that's why we have such good. Yeah that is true. Everywhere else is really get right. Yeah okay so number three for me. I went with golden chick go. That's what i thought you're has the right and specifically for two reasons. I think is much more regionalized. Actually i think that's kind of only a text only north texas thing. Maybe it isn't r-texas thing but it's still a chain and so fast food so i'm going with you so their roles. Oh my goodness easing on the market. They must have like some kind of illegal drug in them or something. Because it's like it's just so addictive there's there's to be nicotine in the rules and then they're in in there sweetie i love their sweetie And for those that are listening. That are northerners whether you're listening now or a year. Listening later on the podcasts side of things. It sweet i mean. It's basically like tea flavored. Sugar water so I love this week from there. Okay that's my number. Three number two christian number two. i'm giving it to raising cane's raising cane's chicken fingers delicious bread slap in the sauce. Amazing the chicken is always hot and fresh in juicy in they perfected the finger form. Most of your fingers too much breading whataburger. There's too much breading on your chicken. calmed down. you can't even taste the chicken. All i taste is salty bread okay. That's not chicken. that's not what i want. If i mean chicken. I wanna taste the chicken okay. Chill out with the breading. They have the perfect thin crispy. Breading on there. It's always crespi. Always juicy there they're bred With the toast the texas toast wise. They got some of the best texas toast in the game the roles at golden sugar better but got some good texas toast man it. Y'all quit hate on their coleslaw. The coleslaw in the box combo it. No it's the perfect that's going about. No okay everything else on the in the box. Combo is loaded greece. So you eat something with all eat a chicken finger you think about a coleslaw refresh. The pallor cuts through all agrees. It's perfect all your hate on the box. Combo taking an extra toast. Are you going to do on a gain. Five pounds waiting balked combo. Okay another toke. Yes crazy okay. The call there's nobody who goes to raising cane's on on a regular basis. Was your number two issue number two raising. Yes okay. i'm going go with number two. okay. I'm going to argue with you here though. Nobody goes to raising cane's and gets coleslaw. How dumb how just because people are stupid. It's a part of the box. No it's not in the three finger. The three finger has a smaller amount to food. Therefore you do not need the breaks between the grease you get all the grease negative chicken finger makes it to where you have to okay. We're talking the extra chicken bigger does do that. You can show the region juniors down your gullet and the fine but if you get the extra finger you need extra city to cut through well hold on. You're gonna get copious except not believe me. Just try it. Y'all don't believe me. Just try it okay. Just try it get the coleslaw. One time eat it between the fingers and fries in the and stuff okay. You don't like coleslaw. That doesn't count. Quit arguing call. The coles costlo general sucks. Yes and when you have an opportunity to get an extra piece of bread or french fries. You're going to get the extra fresno the extra piece of toast five years early. I do not going to get his is going to keep the coleslaw. I bet you if we go and like we took like a poll of raising cain workers and ask them like what people do with the coleslaw. I would bet you at least fifty percent or more gets rid of the coastal. I get an iro. That's why i'm getting on this soapbox talking about it so so i like very read. The bottom Okay so for those of you. That are listening. You can't see it. But it says chris wrong on the youtube video so chris wrong about coleslaw. There's no kidding that's messed up. I can totally do it. I got control of it. So is wrong. Chris wrong so yeah okay any outside enough. Sorry all right anyways okay. That's number two. I think we argued more about this chicken fingers stuff that we'd the actual draft okay anyways Who who do you got it number one. I have a feeling that that number one is Is the same for both of us. who is it for. You is chick fil. Their sandwiches are perfect. The bread it y'all think about the brand. I know y'all don't y'all their bread is the perfect bread for that sandwich. It really cellular whereas mackin is smack. Ish note smashing magazines shmegegge dramatic with the hr Valorous c. h. Ish matt well at it is amazing. The little pickles is perfect new those little bit for for the same kind of thing. You need the acidic bite through there. You don't just wanna be clogging your throat with greece. I know you take the pickles off. I bet you do. yeah you do. I don't know maga wouldn't even order it on their honestly. I can't i can't stand pickles and that's not if you haven't tried it. Their mac and cheese amazing amazing. It is so good. So were the and their side salad. You can actually get the side salad. The site sally great with avocado ranch. Pull my guinness. They have some of the best sides and their dips are. They're all good. The only one that i think is not good. Is there barbecue sauce. But who cares you not gonna get their bar just the barbecue sauce anyway. I mean when you get all the other options you got chick-fil-a switch is the best way we can have a whole station about this about this awesome but we're going to hold the ranking exactly but like even their buffalo sauce buffalo sauce is so like a basic it. Okay another another thing not tried the sauce. You have to try it. Sweet and spicy saracho. Oh that try. I didn't even know that one. okay. I'm going to have to do that is so good. If you like spicy stuff and you wanna have a heartburn like get the number to put some pitch swing by saracho who man. It's hot to us is so good. It is amazing are an okay we all right now my goodness two hour and no man right. This is the longest one we've ever done since the very beginning. You remember we did that. Yes the draft slash Do you playoff preview will in the bubble playoffs so they man but this was fun right. Yeah we definitely argued more about the chicken rush. Lewis is probably also because we haven't been we had done it for like a week and a half. Oh yeah we didn't do. I was sick by the way lazy. Yeah christian wanted to punish his so he went in. God's eye literally did that's really what the poised punish my buddy. Okay you go on your chick-fil-a ramp. I should get checked. He's he's a pretty much said everything. They're the only thing i liked. That's different than most people at chick fully is honey mustard. I love their honey mustard and you know most people don't like their honeymoon because it's a little bit on the spicier side than the sweet side. That's better so i. I i agree. I like it. Better but The chick-fil-a is my number one number. Two reason canes number three we could argue about all night Years is popeye's minds. Golden chick I think it would probably pick a different one to I think she might do a different top. Three but Anyway guys. I think that's going to do it here for us tonight. 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John Tortorella & Jayna Hefford

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1:33:10 hr | 1 year ago

John Tortorella & Jayna Hefford

"From you deal in partnership with Tsn. Welcome to episode. Sixteen of the Ray and Greg's hockey podcast right. It feels like I know we just did one last week but it feels like it's been a long time but this this is a good one. We've got John Tornado role on the head. Coach of the qualms blue jackets coming up and Jayna Hefford. Who's got a busy weekend as does gammy coaching team. Usa Jayna Hefford on the bench for team. Canada's JANA will join us for between the benches. Does it feel like it's been a while for you or does it feel like it was just yesterday just because of our magnetism to one another? I e the the best part about doing this this podcast for me really is the daily calls with you. I mean like how did I ever get through before? That's really really quite exceptional. I will say this. The last podcast had the last two podcasts. Thank you to the listeners. For reaching out you know Wayne. Gretzky and then chuck were phenomenal guests. We've we've been really lucky. Our guests have been fantastic since we start to act sixteen now but Gretz told us things that we had never heard from him before which is amazing considering how many interviews he's done and then. Eddie was both hilarious. And and just stop you in your tracks spellbinding those to have carried great weight with me and so it does seem pretty recent that we taped. Yeah we've got John Tortorella coming up and and I'm I'm a little nervous about torts. Even I have a good relationship with towards me. Both worked out with them back in the day at tsn. But as we've seen so many times with is a particularly in his post game interviews man he can take it sideways right off the rails so we better be sharp for this one and get ready for anything. He's GonNa throw our way. I hope I hope he had a good walk with the dogs this morning. He's on a break. I think we're in pretty good shape here but you're right those you always have in the back of your mind those pressures where you get the update your his presser was thirty seven seconds and that included a fourteen second question. Yeah and it doesn't matter if he's on the road or at home on the road it's easier because he's standing in front of a you know some sort of draper. Whatever with the Blue Jackets logo on it so he can just dart off. Go back to the coaches office at the podium in Columbus. It's it's a little bit more formal. But that doesn't seem to stop him if he's best. He's he's balding it's simple were. You must have seen the last one where the it was on. The coffee. Cup seems to be taped so he can't knock it over which I just crack up. That's that's something I can really really relate to while the good news is. We'll talk some hockey but not entirely all about hockey with John Tortorella. He is an interesting guy. There's no question about that. And we're going to dive deeper into the Columbus Blue Jackets in in just a second They've won five in a row. Eight and two in their last ten just one back of the islanders in the Metro Vision as we tape this podcast. It's a bye week for a lot of teams rate. And if Ray Ferraro at a bye week back in his. Nhl Playing days. Where would have you gone? What would have you been doing and would you have been in trouble at some point during that by? We know you know what I was married for most of my career so the first couple of years. I think we went because I was on the East Coast. We went to Florida or we went to the Bahamas. Got Away for a few days but we never had dregs. We never had this this longer. Break that the guys had so you? Basically you'd go away for two days now I'm years it was just. There's too much of a pain in the ass to go anywhere so you didn't go anywhere because the way the schedule once once you had kids and they got into school while I dunno hockey and whatever the heck else they were doing so that was the end of it so like the guys. Now I'm of the many things. I'm envious of the middle of January. When you're freezing your butt off you can dot dodge out to go play some golf or go somewhere warm and be great to clean the mind out so in minor hockey and I'm sure this is the case. Probably internationally speaking coaches now and staffs of minor hockey teams have like a a cellphone bag. Right so you get into the dressing room and you throw your cellphone into the bag and that's just to maintain your focus. Make sure nobody's taking ridiculous pictures and whatnot. I'm going to assume if you know players are traveling in packs so they've got their significant others. They've got a couple of teammates. You know they're rolling through. There has to be a no cellphone rule. Correct no pictures. Nothing we're we're on this trip. I don't WanNa see that phone. Come out even one time while the remember a couple of years ago. I'd say maybe it was two years ago. Deletes WENT ON. A data couple of days off in Florida and they went fishing. Yeah like who cares. They went out and they sat in a boat. They weren't born driving the boat. They weren't they. Weren't you know they weren't doing all the work they were? Just sitting there. Fishing and social media went crazy because they posted a picture. They're sitting on the boat like they're having a good time. I think today they should have a cell phone bag. It doesn't need to be on instagram. Maybe you can take a picture with your wife and you know like you know you're in your family or if you're if you're with your family and your out for dinner or whatever but all the stuff you're doing. I don't know why it has to be anybody else's business because somebody will always start to dig and say oh see. You're not focused on the game. Guess what that's the point. They're not focused on the game. They're not at all like there's I don't know where it where it got out but like four. The leafs are playing golf at Augusta. Yeah Yeah right and some people are going to. I'm assured are going to say. Why isn't Freddie Anderson? Working with goalie coach. Point is a bloody break. Man Kidding one. One of the best stories I ever heard was when Meek Kiprusoff was in Finland you know playing for the flames. Goalie coach flew over. They couldn't get a hold of them so the goalie coach flew over to Finland in the summer to work them out a couple of times he got over there and Kiprusoff's like hey. What are you doing here? Because he had an answer. Any emails dark gone at the time he might. He might not but they said I'm here to work out a couple of times like. Oh my gears in Calgary. That's where their gear should be anything to do with with hockey. Should be million miles away for these guys. It's time to refresh to scrub. Just come back and be ready to if if the dog Jeff. O'neill had the bye week. Would he come back or would it be a fifty fifty scenario whether or not he was able to come back? I think if all had twenty seven goals at the break he would come back otherwise we may lose the dog for the back half of the season or at least the first couple of tripe practice days. It's the ray and drags hockey broadcasts. We've got our third punch candidates coming up later in episode sixteen. Yeah it's episode sixteen. We've got ask Ray and dregs and a couple of key interviews as we've talked about John Order all of the Columbus blue jackets ahead and Jayna Hefford who is a hall of fame along the Cammi Granato. They're going head to head Friday in Saint Louis and the three on three women's challenges art of the NHL All star weekend. 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Co caught wind of this. And and they're they're they're feeling for me here right because of our bet and the fact that it's looking like I making headway this week but the fact that I looking like I'm GonNa have to buy you dinner in Switzerland in May be upgraded from when you say they feel for you. Does that mean they're laughing at you or they're feeling for little bit a a little bit of both 'cause. I mean really dregs. You are the hockey insider and picking pools. Not all right. Well thank you to cool bet. Dot Co will have more on their involvement coming up later in the PODCAST. Let's switch over to our top five items of the week and I grabbed a point ray in the regular season where it now makes sense to start paying closer attention playoff races. I'm always annoyed. And James Duffy is among the worst Easter time filler. He's an excellent host. Probably the best in the business but probably around game thirty of the regular season. He starts wheeling out. You know the standings own. What are the standings batter gained thirty? But when you get to game fifty And the regular season the second half is well underway. It's it's starting to heat up in a mate sense so we're gonNA probably weekly basis continue to chew on the playoff races that Pacific Division. The Western conference is an absolute mess. And then you look at at at the central division not long ago. I'd have thought that Stan moment should be moving pieces out and beginning if not a full on rebuild and certainly a hearty renovation but it looks like blackhawks is still alive. Does that way it to you. Yeah you know Drake's the the the one thing as the as a as a player you know. I know you say like Daffy sitting there and fiddling around with his paper because he doesn't do anything on a computer it's really it's really quite remarkable this guy Do what he does. Because I think I was amazed how good James is on the air when you watch his notes. Because it's like a third grader. But anyway it gets it all done as for the standings when you're a player there's a point in the season where it's just dragging on. It's like the you know you're in it's in the Games thirty to fifty SORTA range. It's like you've played so much or start to get beat up a little bit or a lot your teams you know in a slump that travels get to you. It's like the season goes nowhere. When you get here you come back from this break. And every trainer does the same thing that you know. Those printed schedules the little printed ones. Yeah Yeah Well. They have them on the inside of their trainers trunk. One of the many pieces of equipment. They've gotTa Lug around all year and they put black XS through the months. So there's September October November all of a sudden you start to see the calendar with the X. is through the end of January and you're like man. There's no time left like it really feels Super Urgent. And so if you can go if you've been struggling and you've kept yourself around the races and you can go on heater here for about four or five weeks. When teams are a lot of guys are slogging through the the heavy part of the schedule all of a sudden won five straight like Chicago right. And you're you're in the race like the blackhawks are earth three points out of the wildcard. They've got a game in hand. It's really quite amazing. Because I'm with you drake's I thought they were done like I thought this is. It's just it's time for them to move on the just before the break. They went back to back nights in Toronto. And then they go home to Winnipeg and you know the the Great Patrick Kane scores his one thousand th career point. He becomes a ninetieth player in history. It got really good goal tending Corey Crawford. Fortunately is is back in healthy? He's a fantastic. Goalie and Robin Leonard Continues. His redemption. Story You can't help but be happy for for Leonard. They've got two good goaltenders got high end. offense of talent of course. Kane but taves is Jonathan. Tapes has started to heat up a bit. We talked last week about Dominic Google leak. He's got twenty one goals now. Their defense is kind of mixed and matched around Duncan Keith. Who seemingly plays forever and Chicago's back in it. It's really it's really pretty cool as for the Pacific. Division there's Vancouver. They're sitting at the break. Their one point up In first place and they're twenty four hours from being in fifth place. I don't think I've ever seen a division like this. And what it reminds me of Drake's I don't know what you think but like I've always thought that the the league should go for the three points regulation win two points for an overtime or shootout win and one point for an overtime or shootout loss and the reason I liked that is because then every game is worth the same number of points and that makes sense to me. I watch my son's in Berlin this year and the German League Landon and that's how they do it and you really feel like you've like you've lost even when you win in a shootout or overtime if you kick away a late lead you see. The team is like they know. They gave away an extra point. Their rights matters yet when I see the NHL standings like they are today. I don't know it's kind of. It's an imperfect recording of the standings with the different points for each game. But how can you argue with so many teams fighting over position so many fans that are so have to be so engaged because their team can go from top to middle of their division in almost? No time I I love the way it is right now we I do too I and to some degree. It's bad for business for me from an insider perspective. Because you know people ask all the time in radio interviews when you're out Noda Games and whatnot you know. Why are there? So few trades in the NHL while park that is because of the parody that exists in the NHL. The other of course is the cap and then the third element which impacts every team is is the injury bug and you know how big of a bite it's taken out of your of your roster. I'd be curious if you went through the exercise and applied your your point system. What the Matrix would look like if you went through it. I'll be an exercise to do it but it'd be interesting to see how much of a a shakeup there would be. Yeah you mean like if if they had the three points for that yeah for sure. I just think it's a I don't think it's as big a deal as we might think offers there's some teams would probably you know really really benefit from him. You'd have to get in and see you know like For example Washington's. One thirty games in regulation or overtime. Yeah right but how many of those are? I don't know off hand. How many of those overtime Wednesday have because those were the only two points exactly and then you you look at the standings and Somehow Boston's into overtime and lost twelve times like overtime or shootout twelve times while and so when I look at that I think okay. So they're not built to play three on three or to be in the Shuto While in the playoffs. That doesn't matter because when you go to overtime it's five on five now. They have a plus thirty three goal differential. So does that even wants to rent. Does it even really matter? So I'm I'm really interested in it too I delete not going to change the only way you're going to get more player. Movement is if they somehow in the new bargaining agreement. Come up with a you. Know a a franchise player or something that you take off your cap if you so. Choose to give more wiggle room to make trades because injuries. Yeah it's the standings but the cap seems to drive it all now doesn't it? Yeah and that franchise player actually. That's part of a question and ask Ray and Greg so we'll revisit later in the podcast Ray. The Toronto Maple leafs are out of the playoffs. Believes fans have been listening to the podcast eagerly awaiting your reaction and analysis of of where the Maple leafs are at this point of the season man. Has it been up and down clearly? Doubt for Mike Babcock. He's no longer on the bench. But it's been that seesaw battle for Sheldon Keefe going into this break as well. They missed the playoffs. I mean it's nothing short of disastrous. It I think if there if they miss the playoffs the only way this season could be framed is an absolute disaster. There there would be no other way. The expectations were high even though you looked at their team in September and really the same evaluation would apply today. That's that ooh. I don't know how that the fence is. GonNa hold up you know. I don't know if they can keep the puck out of their net yet. It's certainly a different even a different story now with with. Oj caused Without Morgan Riley. I mean you take a third of your defense off any team. When you'RE GONNA struggle you take your top two left handed defenseman out of the roster. You're GONNA struggle and kind of the way it is. But they can't keep the puck out of their net they defend and and until the figure that out or they make an evaluation of okay. We're GONNA have to change some things They're going to have a tough time. Like their starting goaltender. Freddie Anderson is who I think is a good goalie. I think he's very good. He sprung a leak here in the last little bit. His last twelve starts. He's given up forty two goals against Three point five goals against a game. You can't beat anybody like that. And if you do beat people. In December and January you're not beating teams in April and May giving up three point five goals again. And so the the names bandied around regional Andre Johnson cus Berry captain and even Alexander Kerr foot they might have to sacrifice a forward to get some help on the Blue Line Just think of think of teams and go out if I traded a three point. Two million dollar forward so everything seems to be close to dollar in dollar out. I'm getting back at three point. Two million dollar defenseman. I could probably make an impact on my and so the injury this I guess goes back to your point. Drags the injury to Elliott Mikheyev. Who was a revelation for the leaves? The he got bad skate. Cotton he's out for quite some time. Had he not been hurt maybe their depth would be apart that they go. You know what we can't trade one of these forwards but right now. It's Kyle do in. He's an he's in a spot here because they're you know as we sit today the lead Sir there What are the a couple of points out of the wild card? You're a couple points behind Florida for third in the Division and Florida's got a game and Florida had a a wild comeback last night As we taped Tuesday here They had a wild comeback in Minnesota. They scored with how good is bark off all my got the goal or the like the little chip into the into the top of the net. It was amazing. Here's another thing when sometimes the it's almost like a deal with the devil or what do you. What do you want to call it? Like a a guy has a a career year that can never ever ever be achieved again in Florida. They signed Nola Chari from the Boston. Bruins fourth line guys really hard player. He really penalty kill Zweli hits. He's a really tough guy so is career in the. Nhl went from zero to two to ten to six goals now. He's a starting pitcher on any baseball team. Eighteen goals in forty five games eighteen goals and three assists so aside from their crazy high in talent with bark off and Hoffman scoring like crazy. The dawn off has been terrific. Jonathan Uber Dough is probably as good a player in the league that nobody talks about right and all those goals they score. They've scored one hundred and seventy nine goals this year. I think I WANNA say they're the top scoring team in the league. They're tied with Colorado at one hundred seventy nine goals and They're put the lease on their back foot right now. Now what does Donald L. and the Carolina Hurricanes to India. Stan Pat. They would you know they. They moved defensemen Just because they had depth there and we're trying to shake things up now they lose dougie Hamilton for an extended period of time. Now this is one of those stories. Hamilton obviously out long-term with a broken fibula. Where you shake your head I. I don't necessarily feel for players but I do in this case. Because he was having such a good year in the conversation for sure and then he suffers a fluky injury. That is a serious injury But but from playing and from a team perspective does Adel off to step in here now address an area that might be concerned that maybe less than a year ago is a strength and that's the Carolina. Blue Light is in a tough spot because they they unlike Florida Don't have one shot scores. So is your need on the Blue Line or is your need up front like I think they just added Justin Williams which was a pretty cool story. Yeah they're they are slogging away through a seven round shootout. They hold the thirty eight year old off the bench and he goes in everybody's trying all these great moves. Eagles in straight down the middle should sit through the whole turns around game over like I just love how simple all what like you guys. Keep Doing. Whatever it is you. I'm just going to go down and shoot it through the five four so you know they do get an addition of Williams and you know. But he's not going to be You know all of a sudden score. Twenty two goals in a lot. Sturdy Games of the year can go find one of those guys. What are you sacrifice to go get it? Here's the other thing in the summer under. I think it was kind of under the radar. They they go out. And they signed Jay Gardner who's been it's been a debacle for him in Azman in Carolina. They signed him to a contract. That you are manny's signed the same deal. He had Toronto five million bucks a year. He's a good player. You can provide offense and it's like it has not even been close to a fit in Carolina for him now. I know the plus minus stat rightfully so when a lot of cases takes a kick in the pants but when your mind is twenty two and there's another defenseman on your team you know playing the same position that is plus fifteen. Something's not right. Something's not right and mandrakes I I duNno would they look to move Gardner with the? Yeah but can they now like? Can you move Gardner? Now that takes another defenseman off your Blue Line do trade him for a forward. Do you trade him for another defensemen right like Dougie. Hamilton's injury and I'm with you drags. It really really sucked to see him get hurt like he did on a play that. I guess this happens all the time on a planet. The doesn't seem so nefarious. And then all of a sudden is foot jams in the ice and right away. He knew you could see him. He was mouth. Think I broke my leg so brutal but now your your focus on what. You're trying to improve his completely changed and I and I. It's a top spot for for Adele. Right now are in couple more items here real quick. I want your thoughts on Alexander Gore gave of the New York Rangers because his name has been out there and trade speculation now for a few weeks to be sure and I know the Toronto Maple leafs inquired did not make an offer or didn't when I checked in last week. So we'll revisit there but when he even though the three headed monster of three goaltenders is is a challenge for Henrik Lundqvist and and all involved. Because you're sharing the practice and that's all of those things when you look at the future of the New York Rangers. If you're Jeff Gordon why would you trade? Georgi of you know drinks I I I understand the respect that is needed and afforded to Henrik Lundqvist. But he's thirty eight and so I guess the only way it makes any sense to move the younger goaltender this case being your Gabe dot eager. Sure sterkel who is the young Russia goaltender? Who's a terrific terrific prospect is that you're the possibility of the expansion draft than a year and a half rears its head and so do you risk losing somebody in the expansion draft because if then you get nothing for him right if you trade him now you get assets back because lundquist clearly is not the goalie that he used to be? I mean who is at age thirty eight right like you just. You just can't be in the miles that he has on them. Like not only was he a workhorse for the Rangers carrying them to the Stanley Cup Finals. But the amount the volume of his work through Olympics and world championships. You know the the number of games he played with the Rangers. He's only going to play this year next year. And so in the meantime you're gonNA have to sacrifice a young goaltender who's GonNa play for a long time. Now it's in and if you're Jeff Gordon you this is one of those rare times you can sit there and rub your hands together and say to the other teams. Okay bring me what you got because not only with Toronto be interested in Alexander Georgiev. Plenty of teams would be. Yeah and and look. It's not just a decent return to your point that is going to fetch Georgiev. I mean we're talking about a substantial trade package so Even though you know most nights he's a backup goaltender e clearly is poised to be at least a one B if not a starter in the NHL. So it's a storyline will follow through the trade deadline. Did you watch the weekend game? Ottawa Calgary we did it in Studio James and I I. I almost turned away because you guys were on but I I mean that's fair. I understand that a West MacAulay officials for that game. Just a cool dude man like he. He's not afraid to show his personalities. Very good official by all standards so prior to the opening faceoff. And you've got forty. Plus CA Chuck family members in the IN A in Ottawa for the Battle of Brady Versus Matthew Gallagher Versus Ottawa. Macaulay throws a Nissan Mauve of the Ottawa Senators and Lynn home. The Calgary flames from the opening faceoff. So he can put Brady versus Matthew and Walt Big. Walt was loving every second of it in Brady won the draw clean and then Matthew gives a job on the way out of the face off of it but Kudos to Westwood Cawley for just recognizing that that would be a special moment while West likes the big moment and in performs the big moment to and I love it. I know some people have of course because some people will always criticize and they say oh you should just go over and and review the play and signal will now. I like when he has that dramatic turns around and we have a goal or whatever it is and of course is the one that probably brought him to prominence. Was the five minutes for fighting. Yeah my kids. Think that is hilarious. So what's wrong with not disrespecting the game because he doesn't he has holds it in high regard I've gotten to know what's a little bit? Man He's a he's a leader. He's a learner. You know he's back to school as well as managing his crazy busy schedule and he sees fun in the job so he looks over there and he sees the Kachuck boy stand there and he's like that I get in here and so you're right. They it was a it was really a cool thing to do and I did laugh when when Matthew gave them a little shop to the back. Because you know they were both trying on the draw. Oh for sure just. It's not like a normal center ice face off you know and there's the little brother again saying hey look. You booted me around the House for fifteen years. I'M GONNA win this draw lease well West. Macaulay would be an excellent guest for the rain. Dregs hockey podcast. I wonder if he's allowed to do it. I I was just GonNa say probably not because the the big shots inside. The Commissioner's office probably wouldn't allow him to speak candidly or Franks to read. And then by the way if we did that was going to say we'd have to push Gord Miller down to one hundred and fifty second now on the raindrops guest list. But technically technically he was the Waldorf stop or dual that you guys did from the World Juniors in the Czech Republic. So does that count as a fulltime guest appearance or was he just. Kinda your wing man for that particular episode. No no he was just there He owes us an an appearance. I expect them to bring a little more than he did. The first time around. Okay coming up on the rain. Drake's hockey podcast. Great the head coach of the Columbus Blue Jackets John Tortorella. Now we're going to try and take towards into a different arena. Of course we're going to talk about the Columbus Blue Jackets We need to talk about the blue jackets. But there's so much more about towards that the the average hockey fan would know so. We'll talk about that. But first your thoughts on the Columbus Blue Jackets I I mean I thought given all the changes going into this year in goal are Tammy Pinero no more some of the other pieces that that left the organization through free agency. I lot they were taking a huge step backwards and they were gonNA struggle mightily this year. They've had stretches where they've struggled but of late. They've been smoking hot. This a pretty good hockey club. They are they're not fancy they're I think they're built in a little bit of not that they were built this way but they play in kind of John's image. And that's you know when I when I think of towards I think a little bit of a bulldog you know like he's always fighting always scrapping and that's kind of the way Columbus Place. They never really make it very comfortable for whoever they're playing against. They've had terrific goaltending and one of the things I. I think it's really important is when we're in this is for US guys the media when we're evaluating what team should and shouldn't do lots of time a lot of people that are doing the evaluating don't have a clue about what is in the depth of the Organization Columbus felt okay about Sarah Gabri Bosque leaving because they have some terrific young prospects. One started the year old. Unbelievable Yoenis corpuscle. Who was the backup but they felt he was ready for a bigger role at a great start. He gets hurt. And then it's Elvis. Moore's leak and stern I only knew of Moore's Leekens from the world championships. I think the guy's going to be a star and so they were okay and Ghoul. They've got a couple of younger goaltenders as well. L. There's been five Latvian goaltenders in the NHL. Lumber has had three of them. What are the chances? What's the Latvia Columbus pipeline? I don't get it. But they're eaten to in their last ten go back to December seven fifteen two and four. They've got the third best five on five. Save percentage in the NHL the second-best all like day just grind and their physical and they've gotten good goaltending and then in the last couple of games that got CAM ATKINSON BACK. Who had a really slow start to the season? He got hurt. He's come back. He's got three goals in his first couple of games and then Oliver Bjork Strand came back their first game before the break and he's Ryan twice in a two one win. There were good team there. They're not going to go quietly into the night and who would've thought Drake's at this point fifty games in. They have one more point this year than they did last year. We've got John. Rela coming up next on the rain dregs podcast and a bit later. Throat Punch and will take between benches with Jayna Hefford and Oh forget ask grand rigs as well all right joining us now on the rain. Drake's hockey podcast from the Columbus Blue Jackets. Uis head coach. John Tortorella torts our things these days. Oh good good find all right there. You know it works. Well I mean to that point towards I mean it is a grind but the Columbus blue jackets are in the thick of things now. There's plenty of games remaining in the second half of the regular season. But tell us what you like most about your team right now on the phone. That has As just kinda carried us here a little bit we you know. We've had some change over due to injuries and And all that and I it's it's a great reminder for everybody for this Organization for the coaching staff and players that if you play ads eighteen I think you can go about your business the proper way and I drugs we've gotten really good goaltending In a situation where we weren't sure what our goal tending was gonna be this year and Some guys that have some hunger and Don't have a whole hell of a lot of entitlement Playing with a team playing as a team. I think that's very important as we're trying to stay competitive here expand on that Towards can a little bit in that there was so much turnover last year. I know you're not one that invests anytime energy and looking backwards but you know you lost star players and key possession. So is that part of it. You know giving opportunity to other guys to to prove that not only can they be as impactful but they can be as as motivating and helpful to the organization moving forward as some of the guys who are no longer with your organization more. Yeah Yeah you know. We had some departures during the summer. We we certainly talked about a little bit of different concentration and how we have to play We we we. You know the lineup. I had prior to the summer departures. We kind of you know we we trade chances with teams and and go about our business that way. I felt we had to that. That's just the type of team. We had We we have a concentration of of being above the puck plan as as as strict as as concentrated as we can away from the Puck to give our goal is a chance to get their feet wet in the National Hockey League and also I just think it's a style we have to play because we just don't have you know like what bread and all that a game-breaker and we have some really good players. But I I just you know I sent a letter and talk about Riddick camp. We gotTA BE. A team. A team best. We can here and But twigs normally the departures but then all the US getting banged up And it just. It just was an avalanche as far as getting banged up I it's a great message for. I think all of us that and I do and I say this in all seriousness that I hope. I don't insult anybody but sometimes when a player has some stature and has been in the league and it Kinda has a spot in the team. Sometimes that entitlement comes into play and they forget they forget the hunger of it and and they forget about playing as eighteen. You get a lot of guys called up and And they're they're Diana stay here. They're doing anything they can to be here and stay. There's a hunger there's a belief and they're always are thinking about is the team and I. I really look at that as a a great lesson. Fern old coach like me. Just remind me about how you go about Your Business here and you can get a lot of things accomplish if you have that belief as eighteen torch. You call yourself an old coach. So does your experience help you deal with all of this stuff like does it help you find a different road than maybe you would've taken with. Tampa when you were winning the COP. Yeah I still. I'm still learning I. I've learned a lot from these guys. Here you know I'm not GonNa sit here and tell you when we we ran into some injuries and then we corp Asala was playing so well and we lose him. I'm not GONNA say man. We'll be okay and we're going to go do this that the other thing You know there was a little bit of nervous as far as where we go here so It kind of sets me back and puts me in my place and that you just don't get it no matter. How much experience have you? Don't get it? The League is crazy. The National Hockey League is crazy. You just never know what's going to happen and as I see a group band together and just kind of put themselves in a little bit of a buck mentality here and find a way to get some points to stay in the in in competitive race. Yeah it's a it's an eye opener and and and it just it just sets me back. Just just remember how this game is supposed to be play. That is really really. It has nothing to do with coaches are guidance counselors. They're trying to give them the best advice we can and got them in areas. It belongs to the players and they've grouped together and found their way. Having said that it could the bomb could follow any day. We're just trying to take one day at a time here and just keep a a little bit of humility here as far as how we've had a little success but just make sure you keep you million stay on that that fine line of preparing every day. So as I'm listening thinking like the coaching business one of a great strengths would be to stay. Curious is is that correct? Yeah it's a great word. I haven't heard it put that way. It's a great word because we we. You have some experience as a coach. And you think you've seen it all You'd think you have the answers that and this is one thing that I've really tried to Get better at and I'm not good at it some days. I'm better others. Is You need to listen and I it's. It's one of the things that I've really tried to grow in my mind is don't be ready to To shoot off and say no. This is the way it's going to be done. You need to listen and especially in today's game. It's such a different game. I mean my God and So we we try to keep open lines of communication open. And I've learned a ton from you know we're a young team even when we're healthy. I've learned a ton from these guys as far as what they see on the ice and everything that comes with it is trying to be a competitive tank. Drake's touched on earlier. You know the turnover that happened in post post playoffs last year and I wonder. How much does a coach know about the new players that are coming in? I'd seen a couple year guys at the world championships and I think Oh. Jeez I think our Elvis. Moore's Leekens is going to be terrific but he gets here and he's all foreign four to start. Like how much did you know at that time? Given the way the road had been set to keep Brodsky keeping Aaron bringing Duchenne. And how much did you know about what might happen after they left? Yeah I I agree you speaking in general not just Elvis but in a number other players are coming up. Yeah just coming in that. Were I just knew Elvis? Because I had seen him at the world's for a couple of hours but a lot of guys I hadn't seen them before or certainly didn't have a runoff election. You know what I have I tell you you are my general manager. You know we don't agree on done some things you know we we we go at it just every coach and general manager. Does we have disagreements on things but one thing that Since since I've worked with him I think he's one of the brightest Hockey guys as far as what he sees in players He talked to me about benched him. He he's not so much about Elvis. 'cause it's a goaltender I think. Sometimes everybody just kind of leaves the goals along with the goaltending coaches worry about that. And but the texier in players like that even Bjork's strand and and stuff like that he. He fills me in on what he thinks they be become and I trust him. I really do I. I think he's one of the His the way he looks players And what he sees them I think is dead on but I have to see it. I I can't go to you know they. I don't like going to traverse city because I think you you make a judgment good or bad about a player and really setting that can do sify to to really what I think. Our National Hockey League teams going to be a month from there. You know I I WANNA see him in National Hockey League camp in National Hockey Exhibition Games. I need to make my own decision on them. So I still need to go through that process but I certainly have great basis as far as my conversations with your Mayo. As far as what he thinks this player can be where the catch is it. Okay the GMC'S IT. And he sees he sees what the end result can be. But I still have to put the player through the process. Sometimes a general manager wants them to be putting those spots right away thinking that he's that I it is I've got to put him through the process. Let them earn it Teach them And go through the whole process of trying to become that player So I'm not sure if that answers your question but it's a very. I have a very good general manager at the sense of what he sees players. And it's helped me tremendously. How much is your process changed for the players like from the day of a torch? That your dog or drags. It's GonNa tiny the Great Dane. Yeah most while thankfully only have one great Dane. She's about a hundred and thirty five pounds and I've got a fifteen pounds Shitzu so it's all although Utah how many of you have four rescue pity's and now we've got into the horses? We have three rescue horses. Wow Yeah it. Is it my get up at five thirty every morning? I'm out there shoveling horse. Shoot at six o'clock. I have about an hour and forty five minute. Window of shoveling horseshoe feeding them. I take two of my dogs out before I take off of work. Yeah so it but you know what it's it's just It's still a Buick for me. I get all my thinking done getting the day plan. No one's those here's talking to me. I'm just with the animals it's fantastic. Have you always been a dog? You know I. I've never been to this extent since I my wife really kind of turned me onto it and and we're when we started bringing me through some shelters other to New York and I saw how some of these animals will be taken care of and and what's happened to them prior as far as just being abused neglected and that's when her and I kind of joining together and just we you know we. We felt we had the forum in the platform to try to voice our opinion on that and try to help. So we've kind of dove in it and that's what we do that's our whole life and it's either hockey or or animal welfare and in in our foundation. That's that's kind of what we do John Dregs and I of course have gotten to know. He's starting when you came to. Tsn maybe drags new before but for me. It was kind of our first real connection point. Does it ever bug you? That people know you just from your press conferences. And they don't really know you it does bug me 'cause I really I really don't get wrapped up in it. I think the most important thing for me is Is the locker room is home. I players understand me. I think it takes a little while for people to understand me As far as player coaches and understand I my way of doing it. Those are the most important people. 'cause those are those are the guys that I'm responsible for to help. Develop you know quite honestly as players and sometimes for me more importantly as people. Because that's one of the greatest things we do here is developing your developing the people as a person to so the other stuff. I can't I can't worry about that. I mean I some of the things I make my own bed and they can run with it and I get all that I haven't made right choices along the way but I don't. I don't regret the things I've done. There's no sense of going backwards and I really can't worry about how people think about me. I I just care about the people that I'm coaching. And and how relations relationship is there what happens on the way to the press conference towards. Because you're an eloquent. Yeah I just you know yeah it is. It's it's I'm not good at I'm not I am not good at releasing the motion the adrenaline and everything that you caught up when the game and I'm not. I don't have enough time to if I can do. Those press conferences the next day you everything would be fine but you know she. Can't they have a they have a deadline? I guess whatever and I'm not good at and I don't think I ever will be. I'm trying I re- I'm trying but I I just can't you know the emotion is one of my biggest. Strengths is one of my biggest enemies and It just what it is. So what's a bigger pebble in your shoe? The quiz that used to do with James Daffy or the press cause. You hated that quiz. I hate the press conferences. I hate them and because I just I'm not I just I'm in no mindset to do. I have to do them. And sometimes there's some really good questions and listen. There are some really good people out there. I and that's what I try to start thinking now as I've gotten older these these people trying to do their job. And you need to respect that. But but I try to but I still make mistakes. The quiz the defendant pisses me off about the quiz. Is there too many hypothetical questions and that was my grind with James? It would be a hypothetical and I'm not interested in hypotheticals. I have enough time answering the question. That's right there then. Worried about a hypothetic- hypothetical the people in the blast that was a blast for me And the the the most fun that I had there was before we went on the show doing this stuff and you know before and and having a slice of pizza with you guys and all that I really enjoyed the preparation of it I hated being on. Tv We'll be back. Which is why your back behind the bench. I guess very fortunate towards you remember the time you realize that Bob and I actually could contact players inside the room or I could not believe that I call an eye. It made me sick to my stomach. I and I remember dregs. If I remember correctly I think I I. I think I made a talk to your bobby. I don't know but I ended up getting another job. I'm not sure where I said. Don't get in my room. Don't you think about trying to get into my room and I know you do 'cause you guys have information before we get if a trade or something like that. I don't even get the invasion. I'm watching tsn to get the information. Why would I wouldn't do that to you in Columbus towards I might have in Vancouver I wouldn't do to you in in Columbus. Oh Van Gogh. Well yeah there was eight torch. I got a question beer. I'm so you've changed quite a bit. You've you know you've talked about the evolution of staying curious and all this. This has nothing to do with coaching last year. I think it was you got. You got a really bad cold and you started wearing these under your suit jacket. Now it's kind of thing who picks the sweaters because they're Nice That I don't I don't trust myself my wife says they're you know what happened to me. Ray. That philly game when I put on the Hoodie. I mean I was barring but right up until the six thirty meeting before that game or the six thirty when when they were going on going on the ice For the warm up and and I ended up so cold and with the chills. I had that heating pack from the hydroxy later. The heating pack under under my Hoodie and a couple of sweat shirts because stomach cramps. And but I you know what but I checked in. They said I wonder if we could wear these during the game because it was really comfortable. Plus your guide. Yeah I'm not so sure about that. The sweaters for me is it called in the ranks and I kind of started doing it then. I felt warmer. Ah Yes I've gotten Mike Sullivan. Text me one day you make up your mind. Are you going to be Robbie for Torek or Mister Rogers make up your mind? That's a good one. That's awesome Towards we'll leave you this speaking of being warm and they cleaned up the Columbus media room because about a year or so ago. You challenge the media core. There assembled with no common. Prepare passing gas. Yeah I don't know body odor. It was just a nasty environment. No that was in Tampa that I walked into the Tampa Room. I walked in that Tampa Room. It was awful and But that's all I could think of that time. This is my mindset going into sprays you asked me about the problems with it this is my mindset going in there when I first walked Ed. So yeah you gotTA check with Tampa I will. I'll check torts never changed. Thanks for doing this buddy. Be well great talking to you. Thank store it's all the best in the last half. Thank my best to your family drugs. You too alright. Rafiq favored part of towards joining us. Here on the rain drags hockey podcast. And look just so you know. I did not bait tiny to bark when she barked at. That just happened because the dog walkers late today she's getting throat punch next week and it was just bad timing when the doorbell rang. Tiny starts barking. You ready to transition the weren't you because you and I talked about because we do so much. Prep for the PODCAST. We talked about having to get towards talking about his animals particularly his love of dogs and time. He's tiny's timing was impeccable. When she barked that made we made a switch gears. It was it was time and see right away towards perked up to like. Oh I didn't know if that was your Dau- at an office tiny or want to John's and then all of a sudden he perked right up and he was in. I do like the evolution of the sweater. Yeah I because I do remember. When he came out with the Hoodie. Now the hydroxy later pack missile boat is. Why does your chest and the they're not. They're not very comfortable and they go in these rap sort of things. They're made out of material there. So he would have had that thing strapped on with a like a tensor bandage. Honda was chest. He's out there trying to coach I just the image of him wearing that thing crack me up as he was talking about it. I I like I guess. I'd light knowing that people might learn a little bit about John when I first worked with them drags. I don't know how you felt but like I was like. Oh my God this is not the guy we see on TV. Like I told me right away. This guy is phenomenal. What a guy. And so when when? He says he's not very at listening. I'm like ooh there's another thing we're Sarah. We're about the same height. Oh we have a shortish temper. It was kind of like I really connected easily with John. And I'm I'm glad to see that the Vancouver debacle went in the rear view mirror. I'm glad to see the way his players talk about him and the success that he's had he's a he's an outstanding guy in a excellent excellent. Nhl Coach. And I think we got a glimpse there as to why he's still a successful. Nhl Coach right like early in the interview. He talked about how he's always evolving. He's trying to learn more and one of the things that you just touched on that he made a point of saying. I have to listen more. I have to do a better job at something that I've worked hard on. I mean that doesn't sound like a guy who's so stuck in his ways that he knows that he doesn't have to evolve as a coach as the game changes. Yes and also like just the as we get older. You get way more self awareness. I hope you'll most people do and when when I asked him about what happens when he walks to the podium and he's just like I suck at it. I'm just no good. He's also is and he's trying says I'm trying I just can't well you better? Not Because if he pulls off another one so he paid the twenty thousand dollar fine and there's a twenty five thousand dollar fine pending right. If he crosses the line again within a calendar year we shall not. I mean that's fine I think he's. That's an interview lender. There's no need to go there. I actually I was surprised. I wasn't surprised because you're right. We know towards a little differently than the average hockey fan would but He's a big family guy He's opened talk about a lot of things unless he's in the moment right in the moment is when he arrives at the arena and then when he leaves the arena. That's one big moment between hours at. He spends either on the road all the the start of his day cracked me up to. You're not shoveling or scrap in the morning. No I know how to use a shovel but I don't have any horses around. I did years ago. Grew up on a farm wasn't horaces it was pigs and pigs are a lot smellier than horses. Okay Ray this might be one of the rare occasions of the rain rigs hockey podcast where I believe we actually each have an NHL player current player as arthropods candidates so Let's start with you who you throat punching this week well episode sixteen raises. Kind of exciting really. Are I repeat winner only have an idea? It's Corey Perry again like seriously. It just got back off. A five game suspension for hit Ryan Ellison the head and then they're playing on the weekend and they're getting pounded in Minnesota. I think it was six or seven. Nothing at the time. And he goes through the crease and knees. Alex stay lock in the head and he is really good at making it look accidental when it's not and it's hard to give him the benefit of the doubt after so many times in his career but I give Corey Perry the Throat Punch for kneeing. A goal in the head literally minutes after coming off a five game suspension. Like why do it would you? I should have checked. I wonder if George Perils Department players safety would would reach out. Say really man you know this is right on the edge where we could hall you in yet again like you need to be smarter. I mean I. I have to assume that there'd be some messaging back to Perry while it would seem like a really good time to have done that and the message honestly could have been just an attacks. Then all could've said was seriously now without leads me over to my throat punch candidate and it links the Department of player safety to another player. Matthew Perot of the Winnipeg jets and there was a lot of noise over this last week. You Know Parole Winnipeg playing the Vancouver canucks Perot gets elbowed by Jake Potanin. Now I'm told. The view from the apartment player safety was that maybe the the elbow grades the Chin of parole but the impact primarily was to the shoulder. Perot was very upset. Visibly see him on the bench. He was adjusting his jaw. So he got tagged. I don't think there's any players safety didn't believe that it rose to the level of supplemental discipline so then Matthew Parola two days to digest all of this stuff he could have reached out directly to George Perris Perris by the way is A strong believer in that level of communication. He makes sure that the general managers the coaches the players know. He is available instead two days after the incident. Man You saw I mean. He unleashed on the Department of player safety. Starting with players safety my ass and then he went on and on from that point. I understand Perot's frustration but curiously to meet. He is currently tied with another player. Who I don't know as the only to current players to have been on the receiving end of no fewer than four suspend. -able plays so it's not like Barbara Blair. Safety has turned a blind eye. When Considering Matthew Perot so it's more for the rant two days after the incident and the fact that he didn't go privately and quietly to the Department of player safety to To voices concern. So that's my throat punch. Yeah I mean clearly the emotion of you know I'm GonNa Slash somebody in the head or whatever he said w what's going to happen There is a way to do it if the avenues are open Which they are for for the players to get to to player safety. But I was doing the game drake's now and I can feel his frustration. I mean Jake for Tannin album reading a face and he tried to do it. And you're like well. How does that not even get see the light of day? And that's where the frustration comes for the player and then from a player's perspective. I've started to realize this when we evaluate something. I often think it's We need to take a half step back and think about if you think. Perot is whining. Think about the last time somebody wearing protective equipment. Ellwood you in face right and just think of how that feels yes. I know what's his job and I know he gets paid quite handsomely to do it but just think of that or the next time somebody punches you in the how that might feel when we say. Oh the player should hold his composure. It's not as easy as you think. Nah I guess my point would be not that. He was winding the more that you know. He should've went directly to our or the Department of player safety. Yep One hundred percent agree all right. It's time now for between the benches and we're pleased to be joined by Jayna Hefford. Who is the executive director of the P. H. W. U. P. A? And at least for a time perspective a justice important. Jana will be coaching Canada this weekend at the NHL. All Star in the women's three on three battle. Jana welcome to the raindrops hockey podcasts. You have to be excited about facing the Americans. One more time with two hall of famers coaches yourself and Gamma Granado on team. Usa's bench. This could be a battle could not. Yeah you know anytime you have Kennedy. You ask. Does it matter Where being played. Who's on the ice. The stakes are pretty high. There's a Lotta Pride on the line and you know a chance for me to stand on the bench as excited to watch the three three game but the chance to be on the bench and be a part of it is really exciting and Yeah it's GonNa be as intense as any other candidate. Us rivalry GINA. I don't know if you're working on strategy yet but jammies working with salt shakers and things at home here. I don't know which didn't yeah. I'm I'm kind of thinking about it I didn't play much. Read three when I played so Afghan some opinions on what I need to do but Yeah looking forward to it. I know you know I was thinking the other day. Cammie an idol. Last time we played two Olympics against each other and and she got the first one and I the second one so this is sort of in a rubber match for us. We'll watch the watch the wagers because you know I mean there's other people involved here you know if somebody's gotta pay something. Somebody's gotta pay something off to make sure I made on the game here and curious. Are You Canada or us? Ray All our hosts Canada and cameos use the the Games. What whatever whether it's the Olympics of the worlds to try and teach the sportsmanship model here at home and the boys. I'm not so sure. Maybe start with you ray. And then work on the boys after that. Jane. You've had a pretty event-filled year. I think not not just you but women's hockey in general does it feel like you've you've made progress or is it frustrating. Is it kind of both of those things at the same time? Yeah I think it's it's all of it You know obviously with the the Katya Women's hockey league's shut down. It was a difficult difficult time and a tough message to deliver to the players but You know at the same time. I think it really opened the door for them to step up and for the conversation to change around women's hockey for a long time. I think you know even ourselves. We talked about you know the seat of Ahl and an N. whol is being professional leagues. But when you really peel back the layers of you know how good the hockey is and how great the athletes are. It's far from professional. And you know I think now we're on all on the same page that you know if if we're just happy to be where we are that's all we're going to get and you know in order for these women to be professional athletes. They need to be set up to succeed and in many you know. I think that they were set up to fail previously. Just you know based on the lack of infrastructure and lack of resources and you know they. They exceed at the expense of that. So you know. I think now that the conversation has changed and We've had a lot of success with the POW HP a I feel like we're making progress. And we're doing a lot more work with individual. Nhl Clubs The inclusion in the All Star game and so. I think there's a lot of excitement around the game and you know there's still a lot lot that needs to happen here and we. WanNa push the game further but you know. I think we are making a statement. I think people are starting to understand a little bit more about the way. The Structure Women Talkies is under in the way it's operated today and and trying to figure out a better way to support the athletes so I assume it it never goes as fast as as you would like or would hold so. How do the women the players that don't have a league necess- necessarily how do they keep their enthusiasm? How do they out of the continued to train into work on their games and into feel like they're you know it's not just a greater cause because this is a year of their career that has disappeared. Yeah that's certainly the most difficult part of this For our athletes you know is a hockey player. You just WanNa play games and I think you know we've done the best. We can to create some great training environments. We've We posted four showcase events to date. We've got another. I think three coming up here in the New Year so we're trying to create as many game opportunities we can but you know it does come back to the fact that you know these women believe in what they're doing and and some of the women that have then do compete at the national level. They have a taste of what it's like to be a pro athletes and and some of the women in our group. You know have brothers or cousins that are professional athletes in all different sports. And you know they see they see the circumstance that those athletes live under and Kendall the great example. And you know. She was in Toronto last week and she was on a panel and she said you know I can answer this so well I lived with you know her husband plays in the NFL. She sees the support. He has an infrastructure and the ability to just be an athlete and be supported in that and so for those that have understand that in Nevada. Taste of it They they know they're doing the right thing for the sport and is difficult as it is on a personal level They they believe in what they're doing and I think he can sleep well at night. When you're you know every day waking up and feel like you're doing something that's right no question Jayna Hefford our guests to the end the rain dregs hockey podcast between the benches Johnny. You're going to spend a lot of time on around the NHL Brass in Saint. Louis Commissioner Gary Bettman Deputy Commissioner Bill. Daly is the national hockey showing more interest in getting more heavily involved in a women's pro league. And if that's the case do you expected to meet with the Commissioner's Office or the NHL Group this week in Saint Louis? Yeah you know. I think the supported the women's game for a number of years. Now do and you know I think when we look at the progression of what they've done at the NHL our weekend it's it started out as some of the women being there and demoing the drill collapse eason where Kendall got to jump in and be a part of it and this year to include twenty women in a three on three game within the bills COMP. I think we're seeing that progress as I mentioned. We'RE GETTING. We're seeing a lot of progress with the individual clubs hosting events in different things and you know. I think we're all realizing that hockey's a bit of a difficult spot right now perception wise. They have M- issues. I think you know In terms of growing the game and needing that female fan base and female players keep the game strong growth happening and so I think it's just an ongoing conversation with the NHL. And of course I think they`re. They're interested in the women's Game I you know. I'm sure I'll have a chance to speak with Gary and and and Bill and some of the clubs while I'm there but you know I this is really about an investment in the game and it's it's a big investment so we know that and you know I know the NHL Sorta working on their own time when they're going to step up potentially in a bigger way if at all but We're continuing to push what we believe is important for the sport in general and the growth of the sport. Does it ever feel too big that? There's so many tentacles to this that it's really hard to notice where the progress is. Yeah for sure You know again like I think we realized we look at the WNBA in a success. They've had and it's been twenty five years for them and they just signed this great. Cba that you know is really put female athletes in entirely different KLAFF So a lot of progress there but it's it's a big investment and if the NHL work to do something you know it's not lost on us. It's not something they can. Just you know. Snap their fingers overnight and they were going to do something so it is a big investment. We know that you know. I believe they're doing the research on the game and they continually want and need to build the game and all aspects so it. It is big and again. It doesn't happen overnight. We work with Billie Jean King and one of the things that she's explained to the group many times is you know when you read history. It seems really fast. But when you live at flow and we're in that right now we're in that difficult time of uncertainty and frustration at times but also you know really believing in what we're doing. I would say one of the biggest misconceptions that the general public maybe the casual fan. I guess is the better way to say is is that they don't understand the or give any thought to the commitment that the women make to play now when I started to date Cami I couldn't believe how hard she worked. How dedicated she was how committed she was getting better and to train. And then I realized it's the same thing that I'm doing Xm. I don't know why I thought it was different. I guess maybe it was twenty years ago and I just did D. Do you run into that. When you hear some of the naysayers say all their you know. The women are looking for a handout. The women are looking for Extra support. I don't think they understand the commitment that goes with it. No you're absolutely and you know part of what we're trying to do and raise awareness is educate people because it's not a lot of people think it's just you know the women want million dollars salary and that's the furthest thing from the case. I think the priority here is the infrastructure and as I mentioned earlier you know last year with the GEL team would fly to Calgary on a Saturday morning. They'd hop on a bus drive two hours to play in an outreach game in some small community play the game they in a hotel. Play a game the next day at ten. Am Not even twenty four hours later. You know jump on a plane Sunday night to get back to go to their jobs potentially on Monday or you know just have to get back because that's the finances of the league and how it worked and You know in many ways that's detrimental to performance and to recovery and everything that we should be. Providing are aptly The ability to market athletes and market the game on a big level. Of course we don't generate revenue but we've never been given an opportunity to and and that takes time it takes you know any investment takes time so what we really need. Is those resources the infrastructure the ability to allow the the athletes to succeed? And all hope to put the game on a level where it has an opportunity to succeed. You know in two thousand twenty five years. If if women talkies generating revenue than maybe we go back to the table. And we say it doesn't generate revenue but to throw that out right away and say it doesn't generate revenue. It's an unfair statement before we started. You told us off air your your home with one of the kids sold. The House is quiet which is exceptional work. My kids are in bed still so the chaos has to get so. You've got this huge job that you're doing your mom your hall of Famer. Is it ever all kind of fit that you can sit back and go wow? I had an pretty incredible career or is that seem like a different world ago. Yeah it definitely seems like a world ago You know every once in a while you have an opportunity to to maybe be reminded of of what you did when your life belongs to you and now it's sort of all about the kids and and work and everything else but you know I wouldn't have it any other way it's You know I'm very much someone that I wanna live in the president and you know when I wake up in the morning. It's it's what's happening that day. And how do you get through the day? And how do you make sure everyone's taken care of and So sort of one day at time and I think in many ways that that's helped when things have been so chaotic over the last number of years. Alright Jamie we'll let your this prediction now. Now we're taping this podcast interview Tuesday more so okay. Young people may listen to this after Friday's showcase the three on three Canada versus the US. And they'll know the outcome but I mean we've so many podcast listeners. Jump on as soon as this thing is posted. So how about a quick prediction? How's this GONNA turn out the three three on Friday I? I would never vote against Canada so I I'm excited for my team are off there but I can guarantee you. It's going to be a good a good matchup for sure. All right well enjoy it. I know it's going to be competitive. I've been to many NHL ALL STAR Games. And I'm looking forward to it. I think it's GonNa be the highlight of the weekend. Thanks for doing this Gina. Thanks I appreciate it all the best. Jana thanks we'll talk to you soon. Okay well we know the WPA is in good hands with Jane Hefford as the Executive Director and rang. You can hear the passion right and the focus and the want the desire to you know. Bring Women's hockey to a place where deserves to be and not set a professional level and with Jane at the helm I think the future looks fairly Bright Wall. Pretty clearly talking to her. And you know and I know her a little bit through. Cami and She's really smart. She's really driven It's funny like the way she played. She was very very driven player now. It's the way she is now. I mean she's I really can't help but think man. It must be frustrating for the for the women to be working behind the scenes. And you can't speed things up as much as you want things to go faster and her quote from Billie Jean King that you know when you read history. It goes fast when you're living it. It goes slow. That's where You know I thought that was really really something to to latch onto but Janus a terrific person. She's super-busy right. Like all of us have busy lives. You know her and her partner a couple of kids so she's mom she's the executive director. She's doing commercials she's she. She got a lot going on and I. I know she'll do a great job and I hope I hope she comes in second place at the three hundred and I'm Gonna I'm GonNa have to give Cami the the word year upstairs that You Know Little More Strategy. We're going to have to work on strategy. Although like most things she doesn't quite listen to me anyway so far or pretends like she's listening has already fought out. Do you get that. Drake call the time. Were Cameo go? yeah got it you bet you later and then it gets done her way which is way better than my convoluted nothing. That's that I've proposed all. He was amused by our laundry conversation in episode fifteen. Where I her job was. What do you know about doing laundry? Which was offensive. Because I do a fair bit of laundry in fact got load in the washing machine. Right now is we're taping episode. Sixteen this is okay. This is a little glimpse into my. You know incredibly type personality. I came off the road. I was gone for eight days. I was in the house. I'm GonNa say twenty minutes before I went on to our cleaning binged house was clean. Yeah but but I needed to get the dishwasher loaded. Cami Cami didn't even get up. She's looking at me like Oh my God look at him like what I know. She's looking at me like sit down for five minutes and then all of a sudden I go upstairs. It occurred to me. I betcha there's laundry to do suren and she's like why wouldn't you leave that the later? I because I can't light to. This is awesome every week of the PODCAST. We ask you to send your questions into raindrops dot com ask grain dregs connects the world's here and it's timely with the all star this weekend in. Saint Louis and Friday. You've got the three on three women's challenge Canada taking on the United States question. One rate comes from Jackie. Jackie is wondering when we think a female will become an assistant or an associate coach and be behind the bench in an NHL game. I look I know that the NHL Steven walking tonight talked about this all the time. They're working towards that end goal of having a a female official on ice official. And that's going to happen in the not too distant future. Does that also apply to coaching? I don't see why shouldn't I don't think it'll be very long There is Their coaches excuse me. There are women now coaching and they're running their their own. Their college programs Major College Programs There now Through the Skill Development World. And we're seeing someone like Barbara underhill for example They're making significant contributions On a coaching level you have Hayley Wickenheiser who's in player development As one of her fourteen hats that she wears right. She's such a busy person but she's with the maple leafs when you see things happen on a big stage somewhere else. I think light bulbs go off in so in two weeks. The San Francisco Forty niners are going to play in the Super Bowl and Katie. Sours is a coach on the on the forty nine or staff and so it will be impossible not to notice. It will be one of the things with the two weeks between the championship games and the Super Bowl is. There's all times all kinds of time for stories to breathe and grow and Katie sours rightfully. So we'll be a story right now and I believe that will pop some light bulbs around professional sports. I think there will be a female coach on an NHL bench. And I think it will be sooner rather than later all right next question rate from Michael Chinese following up on your designated player idea wondering about how about a war Rewarding teams that. Do a good job of drafting and developing their own players and giving them maybe a salary cap break on their captain. He's thrown out. A percentage of fifteen percent when they sign their own players after their entry level contracts. He says that a rewards sound hockey team management and puts even more importance on scouts and Grafting H. L. Coaching Development. All of that not bad idea what I think of right away. Dregs is Kevin shoveled off in the Winnipeg jets for. She got into salary cap hell because they drafted too many good players. And I'm like why is that fair? Like how can that be that? You can't even afford sign your own players through their development and you drafted them and you develop them and if they wanna stay can't right if there is an exemption. It's perhaps you know this is a way to keep your own talent. I I like the idea. I think it would be far less complicated. And far more fan. Engaging to have a franchise player as opposed once you get into the drafting stuff. I think it's GonNa get convoluted. Some teams aren't GonNa you know you are rewarding. I get that but I think this is a way to free up. Movement around the League. By having a franchise player per year are one more from the mail bag and comes from lead. Lisa's with Sidney. Crosby back and performing so well raid in your opinion. Who is the best pure player in the National Hockey League today? Or would you say was mcdavid or pasternack maybe Nathan MacKinnon or someone else outside of Crosby? I hate these because like almost changes week to week. You know I mean with the with the depth of talent at that level. You're you're talking in the of course the absolute stratosphere of the game I would have a hard time in a seven game series. Picking Against Sidney. Crosby right now But then I'm like man. What a blockhead. I am for not picking Connor. Mcdavid pick somebody else besides Connor mcdavid and So I'm always going to pick the Centerman here so pasternak. Unfortunately one of my favorite players to watch. I just love the kid in the way plays he's going to drop to fourth in this conversation but one of the things that makes this even more difficult between Crosby mcdavid and McKinnon is. None of them would get pushed out of a series. Now like they're they just wouldn't and so I'm GonNa Take Crosby in a seven game series but as I say often I don't really like my choice because now I'm leaving mcdavid McKinnon and on the outside. I guess today like right now. I'll go crosby mcdavid McKinnon all right time for the are indy fantasy hockey pool update and man of. I got good news here. Good News for you. Good news for the podcast guys. In Europe it cool bit headquarters. They've been really enjoying the rain drugs. Hockey podcasts there. Feeling sorry for me as they should I'm so far behind in the hockey pool. Standings we've got that big dinner but in John. It's going to be expensive during World Hockey Championship. I'm picking up dinner for you assuming that you continue to roll along in the second half of the fantasy pool now. Cool is here to help me. They're now in Canada with their free to play website. Cool BET DOT CO. So they're gonNA come in here right if I'm correct rights. They're going to. They're going to sponsor the hockey pool and pick up the TAB for dinner and Switzerland. You know so. That means a win win. That means your yeah for you and I'm getting dinner either way which is great but that means like you. You have nothing to pay up okay. So you're what you're doing is angling for an amendment so almost a side deal to the bigger bet because in fairness and I'm not gonNA fight you on this your cool cool dot. Co is kind enough to to jump onto the gas as a sponsor and this is part of it. 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Co Quebec reminds you stay cool and always bet responsibly are. Let's check out the fantasy update for episode sixteen. I actually gained ground right. You have six hundred and fifty one points because of the the podcast recording here on Tuesday. I'm at six hundred and seven. Forty four point gap. It's not insurmountable. No but this is not like the rear view mirror in our cars. We used to have where they said the thing in the rear view mirrors closer than it appears. You're still way back while we're all way back with Kurt. Hamlin Erin Brewer first-half Winter Man. He's in the thick of things against Kurt. Hamlin continues to lead with seven hundred fifty two points. So you're just one hundred and one points behind Kurt. It's not that bad. Well it's not that good but I'm really just looking at you behind me and hoping you stay there. Yeah we always forget to check in on Landon landing used to give us updates. So maybe things aren't going as well for land. He's been a little quiet has been going on there. They've been pretty busy busy schedule so maybe he's just forgot. I'll check in with him. Thank you to cool bet dot. Co A. We have a lot coming up this week travel etc all kinds of shenanigans this week. What's your week? Look like and there's a couple of things we wanted to talk about in the final wrap up segment while my weeks looking good. Actually I'm no games I I'm taking a break on Wednesday so I'll be off Wednesday through Sunday when I jump on a plane for Nashville Cammy and the kids are off the Saint Louis on Thursday morning we're Camby's coaching the Khanate or the US side against Canada and three on three women's game we talk to Jayna Hefford about that as well and So they're gonNA go there and Camby's parents are going to be there and I'm going to be at home with my feet up Taking a a recharge break after the world junior travel and stuff so I'm looking forward to it now one thing. We don't see often. Want your thoughts on this an APP and while we were in the midst of of recording the podcast. Now too big deal but you know fights in practice. Don't often happen. Probably more infrequent in the morning skate but apparently the Chicago Blackhawks at their morning skate at a bit of activity as part of this with the captain. Jonathan Teves and Duncan Keith. Getting into a mini scrap. I like the gloves were off. I saw the video. I didn't see any haymakers zone or anything like that but when you see that kind of stuff particularly to stars one of them being the captain of the Chicago Blackhawks. What does that tell you? Well tells me two guys were having a bad morning. Generally what happens is when the something breaks over a crack at practice. The first thought that comes through your head is what the is going on. And then you look and you make sure you know everybody make sure everybody. Kinda crowds around and make sure that nobody's really getting hurt because it's not really a fight. It's you know it's like a spat the skirmish and then you start to giggle when it breaks up because you know those two guys are going to have to you know going to have to make up a little bit now One of John Tortorella assistant coaches as Bradshaw. And when we were playing in Hartford Chauzy and I were pretty tight and we got into a fight at practice which of course everybody found hilarious because neither of US know how to fight and it was kind of like A. I duNNo. Pushy Chevy headlock. You sort of thing so. I come home from practice in my wife at the time says. Hey the shah's are coming over for dinner fantastic just fought. Bradtha practice and it's like well should I call and it'll be fine and it was of course it was fine but It is once breaks up it is. It is a giggle for everybody around. See I think I would hold a grudge and never happened to me obviously? Didn't play at that level but I feel like dinner. You know mere hours after having a scrap with someone teammate or anyone for that matter would be a challenge you simply hugged it owed and bygones are bygones his laugh. You're stupid you're just practicing. And he crossed. Check me or I slashed him or whatever. It might have been somewhere in the drill. You know the coaches are always like you got to compete you. GotTa you gotTa work and then in the somebody gets a stick up or catches somebody with an elbow and there you go all right. You got a busy week. Enjoy the downtime. That you have. I mean when you're running a household with gammy traveling. It's not exactly downtime right. It's not only the kids going with her. Oh well why? Aren't you on a plane somewhere or that would be a bad luck right. I'm not going to Saint Louis but I am going to Arizona. I'd like a COUPLA around this weekend. Actually there's a group of guys that are part of the Gulf group that I go on some trips within their at whisper rock and I saw her pictures and I was like. Oh boy no. I can't Palmetto no. You can't pull that off that that would be just That would be a terrible decision from plenty of time to clean the garage. All we'll be good. Okay full disclosure. Yeah let's hear it up because you're an ass that's why you brought it fair so we've got the company this company we got junk coming. We got a whole pile of stuff that we gotta get Outta here. Well they're coming at ten thirty which is in about twenty minutes so Cami drops the kids off at school. And I'm like okay. I gotta get some stuff out of the garage. She comes now. We're cleaning the garage for getting stuff out of the garage. We're putting in a pile. We're getting organized and all of a sudden I'm like I wonder what time and I look. And it's nine thirty one. I got about five text messages. Hey torches on the line. I'm like you old boy so I run downstairs so I was in the garage for the first question. I'm sure it was a decent question from you however I have as of right now. I don't know why I'M NOT GONNA lie so I'm thinking in my brain is I've asked towards question. I've asked him questioned two. I C you click into the link so I know you're there but I'm thinking there's a fifty fifty chance that he is screwed this up from technological standpoint. He won't have his microphone working. This is going to be a bockel but yet it came away flawless. You give me fourteen fifteen tries to figure something out and I can get it. And that's where I am with this technology to get online. All right buddy you get to the garage. We get clean and thanks for your time and have a good week. Yeah I have a great week. Drake's to everybody listening. Thanks let us know. Send a note. We hope you guys are enjoying the episodes and hope episodes sixteens a good one for you. We'll talk to you next week. 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five days ago who is the woman and we don't know if you didn't show up the complaint so we release gruber want the rest of the rundown on the remains on what's up to you gruber began twenty years ago in san francisco car highest filling station holdups they finally got him good on a negligent manslaughter charge fifteen years and saying clinton release six weeks ago next heard of it the pill mill bar then released a murder mystery scotland's neighbor been dead on arrival that all yeah anything dan not much no it wasn't much but it is all i have joe gruber had been mixed up in a disturbance at the pedal melba tests william bar which some florida avenue which took up forty front seat of sidewalk and whoever especially after their weapons inside inside was all bar in free publicity rotisserie part of it being a cheap hot plate burner the males at things a publication it took a few minutes to get close but i finally made it much young talk i'm from the police to but some wrong no i'll just talk or should i say but we gotta talk to a guy in scrooge don't you under the bus mr soon get a talk mixed up with better they gonna give you something from the show some johnny walker about a week ago those a little troubling here at least i keep the trouble inside off the sidewalk and take a look at this picture ever see this man before who is he names joe gruber is it eyes closed because you took a while he was on the slab that's right yeah i see in like you said about a week ago trouble with a dime one thing i know i didn't see much what happened i got to have you ever seen joel but for the first time it wasn't have picked up one of my customers you know tony arm around the shoulder of buy you a drink pick up friendly by drinks santa fe showers here on my sister being the minute they look serious serious joy but i'm drinks leno is mocking the storeroom i hear you're gonna get back in time this year both debate holds this guy away leaves miles standing there drink some pay now about who they armor on the shoulder pick up mount yeah what do you want it my friend who's a cup of coffee hey come back you're looking at me like i'm gonna take the florida bar that trailer going how'd you get here so fish pond minnesota opened up the patients whose only because your brother got stripping i'm not gonna let you go a look on book dna so give me my show and assault like always one of my definition i want you to look at a picture mouth and all that man must have been a lot of long distance call us and that table if you're tumbled mel let's change could add up the grand larceny militia think you're supposed just born lucky it's gonna be a hot summer in that jail yard now sit on cigarettes is friends got a cigar in his pocket mcgowan yeah when i light a sheet of killing me on my desk comfortable but what you trouble so is july eighth nineteen fifty one broadway is my beat on classic radio theater the conclusion and comes up in just four minutes at farmers insurance we know 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innocence oddly fuck i'm gonna find a new york phone book looked up married name monday off chance that was called did he tell you what her married name was might have a slip through your mind as he did he call lose said he'd read posey so she'd recognize the thing shows guess what hap dan mullen she works over the joan ask is hijo who called joe says i am he only you in my system entered my system had red hair like me he says so they walk on the corner of excited talk and the lady raise a roof about something starts the hurry on joel runs after her right in terms of the law this lady looked like frankly jill fed me too many drinks to remember queer that's it's about it boys so like my stepdad again michael technical people afraid caller and carried him off to showers which left me alone to sift the present time we'd have together come up with a name milton builder gruber the sister who would run off the new york twenty years ago demari wonder why it wasn't melded who showed up one brother joel founder and wonder why it wasn't possible don't ask yourself that you needed her married name the name only joe gruber could tell you the debt joe gruber remember the city has a whole record's and the girls names rented therefore birth and death and marriages just go to the hall of record's handed over to a man named framing wait from mr franey the comeback from the long voyage into the bio finally he does waving his find a bigger knows i found a lieutenant on it thanks let me add afraid couldn't reach my school i'll translate for you on may twelfth nineteen thirty one one motor group replied from marriage license age nineteen i heard she got that too i missed a huge common age twenty seven high drama look at what you have on com please mr friday to wait again no somehow mr friday would look just like that when he came back i got something this time lieutenant common was married again just three years after the first time and i looked i looked in there is no wreckage of a divorce that penalty full statement says clearly stated on the bus shortish thank you again mr brainy a new hyun hello declared her money san here the living room say i've been trying to make alexander's for years and i try one on you holder you more seventeen i will breathe a word of it is you're mother home let's chip she had been in the senate to the movie theater you kidding gutter you're a fool you could have had in alexander someone come in do you want me to light or mr culver i most all boys missiles problem wanna talk to you hello i go to bed i maybe you won't make it catherine lucy mystic closing myra i'm sure there's nothing here the concern you will you please go no myra you heard me no you're in my office miscount on there was a question we never got finished with the concern your husband and the woman with whom he was found dead a year ago the man named joe gruber donatella understand what you're talking about their don't you have a date tonight myra every night it'll keep they always keep all of them all the time you're still haven't told me what i wanna know almost has been shot himself because of me because of my child the shame of what is going on with that woman he killed her and then shot himself that stati that's mine up shut up i've never laid a hand on your mind their mother d or you're talking like among them never talked to me like this before it's all unfounded your husband was his first wife did you know that strong husbands but that's not what did you find out he wasn't divorced might not one melted gruber showed up daddy had such bad taste taste and women go ahead i leave them together your husband melted killed them made it look like murder and suicide why listen and then joe gruber showed up long lost brother looking for his sister looking for melded found the name mrs hugh conlon in the phone book thought his sister would you please please when you met at the bar and he saw the joint melded you gotta figure and it started the building the money that's what he wanted when he tried to break into your house myra child try to understand what i want it for a group of got away from us holed up in a room called you for money you came to his room stabbed him to death you did all that catherine from me just became daddy was a big amiss jessica's all these years you haven't really been married for you for you darling for your name dotting weight when you're married and have children of your wait wait over you darling don't you see i i couldn't let that woman destroy bill for you about men or you're father years the good name i voted for you wait till charles here's the charles will die laughing when i tell them i'm just not but bill fluffy evening in champaign she'll be reading minute wait like telling marian mom his last name is they don't have any non my midnight so happy time on broadway it's a place strong into the light like some phosphorus and valley and there he they're like i get the voice of the spurs doorway poets 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fail and he claimed dishonest and saying corner that thermometer ahead one hundred and six s forty sad say must be at least ninety there's a there's a great new monument in this town honor now but now i'm charlie charlie wholesome gutter oh air mailer picture that boy they cut affect or is there anything in a couple of emails from a wholesale have ended a postcard from out i think it might as well get that too long announcing going one per share a heavy started in oh yeah community if they if you left the needle ever oh you're back in the bedroom now straighten up step back that good anymore half days here that you can be honest i didn't think you'd be many more than now washington lots they keep him out at home i knowing that have ever known said right there you're i mean i don't get none of that brick oh hausky ran over here at no waiting in line sales from keith law aaron donald all day that'll keep you hot yet working that hard how it ain't charity spears considering services every sunday morning looks so cool fan i wish i could feel is clearly she looks while on cbs or take it slow at the fan disorder start a teachable moment you just sat there blocking cannot beat out far south and the things that i can get their their their way wonder if it has any of the whole fans deal and shake my head like why course now with and doing all know get myself busy field this set their league tom about the old i won't lease on i just sat there and don't think about the hot weather coal mousy wrote down told you how warm it over in africa he had he could not find nobody's asked aspirated their shot i got i find out why am i just can't stand it no longer you know let me i come on out flatfooted and asking why wouldn't say he beat him in austin hall and ham and finally said meet thank you know maybe you know maybe she'll wanna say no i don't think so high that raised wave not judging companies altitude or from their donors face when he sent somebody dolly stars one of them are men are minor and raider fan out down got find out what happens whether from their that's their secret mouse in the grave would be just to monitor sprays owned good trouble at all about taking out minor even allow me might i guess dude will forget that idea right now for you meet other coaches mind you're gonna have owning your own i'll start tonight wait i got here giving him bills from jose mind you know you have a liberal activist judge should be better take mouses coastguard back to you know i know i got mine i used my now am i made a car someone amount save money says there about how are you i am getting an all signed sean good to be blocking make good old you ask hey abner known greediest my novel back immediately not we'll tell you all day and i mean i told you not to do that it ain't brian treat other folks is male till after they read it they failed to get first crack at it all off now yeah i'm give it to myself here a mouse they come in here and say i want black label on i just saw blank snoring you're going to slow you brands now my how do you call me line air merriment half all mom i wanna talk to you anyway i think it over in long beach to the station initiate gasser alone but we were talking about a while ago you know oh undecided tell so let's just pass happen you mean you got you're left leg wounded a grainy good all came out just said right down there and start telling us we'll keep you a secret free why you don't you're how do you don't have to like i'm i'm gonna tell everybody now yeah nassar's why so many people keep asking me just decided to reveal oh yeah that's the best thing it'd be mashal or modest about this too oh yeah yeah so don't be drawn out tell us what have we walked out story so don't be offended by you know one thing have you got things against your own vintage was going against him you're a hero when you need understand of course you're gonna writer bragging occasionally don't hold back i think now go ahead and our new curious to hear since well a one day see this general gave me orders to take a small dan stallworth man after certain hill screaming they give you order to do something invigorate all that a little like you know what her they get the peanut butter story that they mousy hammer known silly question well corner that renaissance night lama about only donald piero up are tater all day long but yeah but when i said i said helping on the fitz and a little bit abner sometimes but he see this would later oh yeah sure this go ahead mapping you would give orders to go out and get scale ten split the small dan install man so we started out late one night shellfire was nursing all around us hang on and win when asked her being a leader course fighting are ways to the lines on after the top of this hill they told me the cats out growing up was you burner home about halfway i guess lomba on and on we fought off the field cleaning machine gun mass after machine gun set time cutting are way to bob was a lotta times swimming across the east river deep river on their side of the hill little river was at the bottom you get but i don't you said you were saying it but this time how best to look a lot we had to go back and get slamming nation our live show natural y'all lahser safe now my man the man they got separated then by the time i reached the top of the hill well i just had one man less listening oh my goodness so we're getting some bushes a few minutes while i tried the plan in the final time you mean just to federal only capture the hill all by yourself casting and i guarantee you must have been awful brains are tracked down like that how that was much lower we asked it was now you're a hero back there to cheer own rhino metal safe while after that loss of thirty home long haul it's your own house and why no islam i don't be silly thing going on in a situation like this but it looks to me like it would be paramount tactical all by itself on top of the hill fina hide from the enemy in you wanna start lorna home have no i never said no seats you're saying well whose idea was that they were that you're out there listening to me about why you want a new goals i never meant that kind of a horn old pecan carney no stocks are higher if you're just let me explain why they do have a drag on saxophone along long trip block that he never drag one all well how they get their law saxophone walking forward now they clean up the hill all by itself sacks phones ain't got no feet long on over hey can't walk out on or you ever got sick essarily audio again i never said the good i just mentioned mouth your and be more honest about this any never build no saxophone are no other kind of far off while i'm proud here that will you have enough it's not about what now fighting hunger that editor or you've grown go ahead and jump mouse well i guess since about all around this time they're passing well after hard battle we captured the heroin well jeff says our costing us flag where i someone to 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clifford as california continues to clean up earthquakes schools in states like washington are in danger of major damage also on the one they run down a weekend march colfer attention to the need for election reform plus a look at why many u s jails are overcrowded now are top stories shaken residents were cleaning up sunday from two of the biggest earthquakes to ronald california and yet in decades he associated press reporting that comes is scientists warned that both should serve as a wakeup call to be ready when he long grinning big one strikes california's already spending more than sixty million dollars to salt thousands of quake detecting sensors statewide officials say will give utilities and trades precious seconds to sucked out before the shaking starts vip reports a magnitude six point four earthquake thursday at a seven seven point five quake friday or saturday near a small dessert town about a hundred fifty miles from los angeles meantime are eric take it off reports ground shaking new research finds many washington state public schools are at high risk risk of serious damage in earthquake the washington geologic surveys school seismic safety project looked at two hundred twenty two schools across the state were about five percent of the total it found that in a major earthquake a majority of the buildings will receive red tech or be unsafe to occupy in the quarter wouldn't be repairable at all chief hauser's geologist on the steady corrina force in says her team did indepth analysis of fifteen schools and found the upgrade cost range from sixty two thousand dollars to five million even though the price tag teams remarkable and very high the estimated cost to replace these buildings is much much higher and so investing now will help save wives and a lot of money in the long run for the notes so wide ranging costs illustrates the need for specific site assessment most of the school buildings were constructed before nineteen seventy five the year washington adopted a statewide building code according to this study washington ranked second in the nation for earthquake risk with the highest script in the western part of the state in washington state lawmakers set aside two point two million dollars with card by m that will continue these schools seismic safety project which will survey about trader fifty buildings at focus on the schools threatened by an earthquake triggered sudani as a march for public funding of politically cab pages well say presidential town hall capped off the independence weekend in new hampshire the sunday march was inspired by granite state data door screening they had who at the age of ninety walked across the country in two thousand the promote campaign finance reform haddock attracted bipartisan support back then including then you as senators russ feingold and john mccain olivia sink of the group and democracy in an organizer of this march she's got a critical polarized political environment issue of campaign finance reform as harry by partisan we want every candidate republican and democrat party is to be talking about what we need to do the fixer democracy we really need a system represent all of ash copy of the march beginning to remain in ended in downtown portsmouth maine has a system of voluntary public campaign financing so zinke says the march with symbolically bringing similar election reforms to new hampshire following the march in speeches in market square some marches walked up the street to the democracy townhall co hosted by the group equal citizens meantime the costa being transported to a hospital in a medical helicopter jumped by sixty percent in just four here's w rubber god report between two thousand twelve in two thousand sixteen according to a new report patients in kentucky end across the country are getting surprise bills for thirty nine thousand dollars on average for these life saving trips the findings from johns hopkins university researchers come as hospitals in at least four kentucky townie adair fulton nicolas an owen have shut their doors whitney corby as a nurse who survived a car wreck six years ago she says without access to a helicopter ambulance she might not be here today on the helicopter i want coma and then when i got there they did all the tests and everything in the doctor came out and he told my parents that i would not have survived some experts say insurance companies should be required to cover emergency medical services most currently do not recent public outcry over high medical bills have gotten me attention of congress but there is no legislation on the books that specifically addresses air ambulance cost that report says people living in rural areas of the most likely to be affected by air medical service fees and finally dan hyman reports it's across america the population of local and regional jails has tripled in the last forty years in prison policy initiative examined usa justice department and pass census data from the nineteen eighties to twenty sixteen seen wander burke firm with initiatives says they found pretrial detention is a major factor as many detainees either can't afford their bail or judges won't release them on personal recognizance the cree child population which is much bigger than it was ten or twenty years ago is primarily what's driving crowding local jails these people that have not yet been convicted of a crime better being held for their child some jurisdictions have seen promising results by doing away with cash bail instead releasing folks headed there trout and following up with reminders my cuthbert dykstra start your week with public news service we are member enlist the support in rob line at public service donna archie you do it right to make updates to your home loan does it right to sheila forty savings throughout the store fifteen dollars a gallon cans and forty five dollars off five gallon pails lows gift card rebate when you buy select paint 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back where is i study and irene annabel there oh sweetie oh you know something how what you look is relieved the men pardon from the gallows just in the nick of time you know it's only a stay of execution i still have to face a batch of new little darlings one vacations over next fall when i first met you you said teaching within noble profession i was young and foolish but at least you get two months vacation with face big deal oh how we're planning a nice cross country auto trip must we spoil it by talking about the same old thing factor fact we've saved up especially for this trip we've got the money please don't ruin the fun of it okay sweetie or right absolutely right and nothing is going to spoil it it'll be a regular second honeymoon only been doing here in the closet clubs ready i need a few things how what some new summer guy what's the matter with all the closing things you've got right in there few years oh you women i've been wearing the same suits for over four years women styles chang is because people like you let them because he american female public is a bunch of suckers you promised you said you wouldn't spoils look i didn't bring up the subject you did well right now get the money from my mother so that old battleaxe couldn't throw it up to me or no you don't and the trips off i'm not going all every i mean it how just assures i'm standing here i'm not gonna wear these old rags all right all right then by what you want but please remember we have a budget lucky i put that ad in the paper and they classified section personal what at how traveling companion oh well a gentleman share the driving i think the loss angeles and to share their expenses i figured it all out will average thirteen miles a gallon will need at least three changes of oil in three greece job they did it all out yes and they add starts running tomorrow morning we should be getting responses right away regular second honeymoon is right california here we come look three on the foreign you're a cup of one gentleman should driving and expenses phone endicott for five well hazel california still don't know fat perfect setup for me maybe come on stop that it's like my daughter to her like a couple of weeks fight against the california maybe more so well that should nice easy trip ends shape how do you know i know one thing you wanna get to the coast and then on a boat right but the cop show have every plane pushing train out of here covered if i try to rent a car they that'd be that way to wouldn't they get in but fifty thousand dollars would end the fifty thousand dollars it'll go with me in my suitcase what else maybe it would be safer with me you don't trust me what did i say that i just trust myself more you're way ahead of the fourth and two why don't you don't appeal to don't you worry about that they're looking to save money and make myself the most appealing guy you ever saw at approximately nine ten in the morning of june eighteenth nineteen fifty three in the small town of middleburg connecticut man walk into the office of the local savings alone association ten minutes later he walked out with fifty thousand dollars if the banks fun at gunpoint he had held the three employees at bay while he emptied the wall the all available cash the bureau immediately assigned agent rentals in made the case after interviewing the employees and establishing beyond a reasonable doubt the robbers bedroom austin alias spreading tristate along with sound in the search for austin began at first my wife was alarmed when i decided they have someone make the trip west with this isn't that right irene yeah but now that she's mad you mr addison she feels quite differently don't you sweetie quite differently and i'm certainly glad to hear that a there were several other applicants before you ahah but they they went up to snuff the moment you step through that door mr addison i i wish you were you were just the person for us funny thing mr wilson why i felt just the same way about you and your wife oh oh really yeah the moment i step through that door here that irene is not fine warrants that ninety splendid a ticket back to the financial right now please mr addison the deal is fifty fifty on auto expenses i wouldn't entertain pain any other proposition i mean like your proposal doesn't seem quite fair i i i mean to you oh as i told you mr wilton i'm pretty well fixed goodwill for the travel first class but my doctor advisement take things easy for a few weeks not the rush things and when i happened i've come across your at i set the myself spread out as soon as field for all well and good i you get to only you're a schoolteacher so high i know you don't have much money i it's my pleasure to welcome the pay all your expenses mr addison high quote yes you could not irene really thank you as well now i'm a man of what my is frank let's check out not another word it settled auto expenses on my not one more worried about it well all right mr addison you win i'm afraid and we leave thursday morning yes from here eight shark if that's not too early for you see early bird gets up in a place that i always say of course we could drive over to your place to pick you up you don't have the butter but a you're like oh no trouble on taking only one suitcase he who travels light always travel now that's right mrs will end shapers deibel which they are first report revealed the bright austin marita hazel company further investigation showed that hazel companies had a wreck right up arrest and conviction last known whereabouts were stab wished as being in new york city now concentrated on locating austin through his wife find things traveling all the way across the country without your wife me practically a bride couldn't be hey you're thinking about this fifty thousand dollars credit and it couldn't be picky you that i might be lonely without you couldn't come on i wish only ribbon like that kind of thing occasional shari fed on me you should not worry about that money jay i'm listening but make it fast taiwan i made the winston's time you know i said i'm not looking as soon as i get the coast i'll phone and you'll take the first plane off that'd be worrying all the time and i'll be okay what is it shovel the way i set it up again well if there is this gonna be in my show the host if there's trouble this will help get me out of teeny said he'd be here at hr it's early bird all we kept off to the best i always say you're not funny irene remember taking somebody along wasn't my idea if he wasn't coming you surely would have let me know he's seen such a reliable sword you can't tell a book by its cover i always say thanks thanks for all your consideration you're welcome lunch you're a nice way to start vacation this way just the two of us is fine with me sure you don't have to go out and earn a living you don't have to worry about saving for a rainy day what they use of saving for a rainy day when it is nice enough to go out and spend it how could you be so childish so you're in practic like my mother old battleaxe feeling better now that you've gotten that off their chest for your information and satisfaction justice miserable oh how we shouldn't be at each shelter this way let's just put troubles behind just forget about mr radisson let's go without and more we can do it house in the money let's not talk about that again we we manage this grapefruit somehow how well don't we darlene yes i guess we do still can't understand why didn't even have okay okay sweetie all right i'm here on it's just the two of well irene thrown away irene look one more minute just me timeline hey what what team here here i'll unlock the trunk and put you know don't bother i'll just keep it in the area would make okay op in you know we had given up a lost mr addison i think it may be a change their mind or not me i wouldn't have missed this trip for the world on june twenty fifth we got our first leading the cakes uninformed indicated we would bind off demand his wife in mid town hotel registered under the name of addison informant was right in only one respect hazel austin was at the hotel her husband is missing all right and this is austin will try it again where's your husband i haven't seen and then three months you said that before he still goes and you know nothing about the bank robbery in middleburg nothing i told you he walked out on in mark allows march as i said three months ago he walked out according to the desk clerk downstairs he walked out only three days ago one large suitcase three months ago fifty thousand dollars within that suitcase wasn't at my show you're only making it harder on yourself cigarette you are familiar with prison sentences mrs addison you know what goes with accessory before or after the fact i also know you've got the proof that how about that cigarette we've got plenty downtown now is there anything you wanna say say any changes in your story now on 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humor a smoke anyone no no thanks let's just wasn't mr addison getting real hot to show you don't wanna take off your jacket oh no no thanks i'm fine very comfortable must be nearly nine days i'm cool as a cucumber preyed but the way you stick to that jacket somebody would think you were hiding under intercept good yeah that makes it wasn't yes she she was what the sense of humor despite hazel austin's reluctance to talk we make surprising headway alexa phone calls i got the hotel switchboard operator phone calls made from austin's apartment in the hotel which jack one to one endicott exchange james number bore right through the bones in the name of a heroin wilson public school teacher according to a neighbor wilson and his wife starting on the cross country motor trip last tuesday morning on the kansas has the clincher steve traveling companion a man went along with wanted bulletins on austin were dispatched a local law enforcement agencies where they proceed carefully cautions to take wilton that is why then agent rentals in die headed west of light plane it's not bad enough that it has to be raining cats and why would you please shut up and listen learn try will not shut what'd you say i said couple of we're in terrible trouble here this look look on page one of this newspaper his picture so fred all star running through bank robbery say that again no no wonder what the reason he didn't take off his jacket ever gotten underneath the hell were not waiting around find out if you were writing all you were idea just to save a few more easily look this is no time for recrimination listen to me what you know now you see what it costs you and i we were just we gotta get out of here and pass now come on you grab the other back when i do what i say would you rank forget it so you'll get a little wet and i'll come on come on my mother hears about this switch hope she has a pleasure going by accident all right now the medicine or austin we we know who you are let's talk about that inside were perfectly willing to forget about it if you'll just step aside i don't want you to forget yet i now wait a minute when i when i had under my jacket sure he's such a joke what are you gonna do to not at all depends on how you how you cooperate we're very cooperative people really let's see you just say what you want and we'll do it while we how will we have cash whatever you want no grandstand plays no heroes stuff he's now here i'll believe me okay you'll have a chance proven getting out of here now you gotta let old damon office until you're signing out you got that yes and your hotel and i suddenly disappeared and just you and your wife will be in the car straight out of the window listening wife will be next to me it's you don't do and say exactly as i told you this gun goes off the annual white direction a mmediately upon our arrival in the kansas city field office word had come in the owner of a motel in the southeastern section of estate had britain the 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forget about it and when she knew that they keep talking don't have to just like to see i want wanna debating gotcha all right all right problem friendly after you lady in watchers get one chance right services will drop that gun austin was asked me up on your feet off the hey what is for you to f b i s b are without the kansas f b i like the guy with the days when he when he figured it was the best way to protect you too and you knew all about us from a number of sources including your motherinlaw so you're a hero at try out for nothing well at least you tried and i'm proud of you for the first time you went concerned about money and let this be a lesson to you as mother she if she mr wilson yes technically you claim the reward why there's a five thousand dollar reward offered by the bank for information or action leading to the capture of fred austin five thousand dollars oh sweetie did you hear that five five thousand dollars and all because i arranged things cheapest cheap well irene what have you got to say now read all the money he had stolen will return each he and his wife were brought to trial austin was given a fifteen year sentence in hazel austin was sentenced to five five years in prison but as accessory before and after the fact arrows wilson claimed andrew seemed is reward but not until he and his wife completed their trip cross country some some at a nice transcribed story rosemary rice played the part of irene wilson belly redfield was terrible this radio station f b i n peace and war was written by as adams these programs are produced and directed by that he mandeville all names in character issues on the program a fictitious any similarity there persons living or dead as periodical incidental this program is based upon federico collins copyrighted book f b i n peace and war and the broadcast is not imply endorsement authorization or approval of the federal bureau of investigation that's all day long so slow july eighth nineteen fifty sixty f b 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more people perhaps than any person including any they are all of the president's make no mistake granting not only covered history he wrote it naturally the heritage of the era fell on the chosen few the man who could put in words all of drama excitement and thrills of what they saw and pounded out over the jammed wires of the various press services so as ever out of necessity were born the great sports writers of america damon runyon ring lardner paul gallic go and grantland rice since turned his talents defection lardner runyon are gone and so it's grantland rice now it's hard to say if we will see the likes of brand new rice again today with radio and tv most sports fans here or see the big fights the world series the rose bowl the kentucky derby another top flight advance the need for an eye witnesses gone and most sports writers today just give the facts gas granny's book may well rest on how rice all life through those great sports figures for he claimed a philosophy a way of life when he wrote golf causes more self torture than any game chart of russian roulette the quicker the average weekend golfer can forget the shop he has dubbed or knocked off line and concentrate on the next shot the sooner he begins to improve and enjoy golf like life golf can be humbling but little good comes from brooding about mistakes we have made the next shot in golf or in life is the big one into the two mile down the shouting has gone the best of granny rice is vividness city ternal enthusiasm which kept him young at heart to the very end another granny's cradles was fighting is your business fight what he was telling us is what every walk of life your in give it all you've got an granny rice summarize his life and the way he lives when he wrote when the one great score comes to mark against against her name he writes not that you want her lost but how you play the game sounds like quite a solid rub shoulders with down through the years doesn't it well i had the privilege and i recall the first time i met granny within the press box on a rainy day in cleveland we were waiting for the ball game to start granny came over to me i wasn't young reporter put his arms around me welcome meet the press box and introduced himself to me well you're gonna rub shoulders with granny rice to and believe me were about to embark on the greatest the most wonderful journey through the world of sports ever lives by one man we're gonna learn about people in the things that granny seldom touched upon in his daily column why dempsey didn't speak the granny for a month following the first dempsey tony flight how babe ruth and granny met for the first time the true background of notre dame's immortal football champ let's win this one for the gipper also the race between man of war and john pete greer what earl sandy thought is one wild ride aboard big red an comparison between native dancer in man of war you'll also meet tie cobb as few but granting new you learn about granny's last look at big bell tilden the living analogy between twain band embed holding an gene tony how and why granny fell for his best girl in sports babe dixon higher s and what was bobby jones is biggest victory bigger than even his immortal grand slam you'll be in berlin when olympian jesse owens knocked adolf hitler right out of his box seat when he assumed off with everything but adolf mustache deesor butter few i'm gonna do this series and first person in for a good reason that's the way rice wrote both the mother and the shouting there as much about first person narrative that lens of warmth and credibility that somehow doesn't ring true when one switches to the more impersonal third person so whether sincere about the spirit of grantland rice a spirit that remains vibrant in sports loving america he did so much to create i turned the page one first person begin the tumult in the showing for the writer i was born in murfreesboro tennessee on november first eighteen eight my father and mother sister in missing bowling hindering rights were two very gentle people from state the gave the nation andrew jackson davy crockett nathan bedford forrest jon morgan then little given a flaming symbol of the confederacy during the civil war smitten with grape shot and gang green eighteenth battle and he fourteen fourteen there were two younger brothers but the central figure in are family was my grandfather major henry grantland for whom i was named he died grudgingly at ninety five following a bad fall how vividly recall call his tales about the civil war a cotton farmer and one hundred proof individualized grandfather didn't turn the tide for robert e lee but he did manage to run five waterlog bales of cutting into a million dollars following the war that went out the window there in the crash of eighteen ninety three a worldwide affair my early education involve various military schools and when i entered vanderbilt university in the fall of ninety seven i was about six feet tall at a slow galloping one hundred thirty five pounds as a half back i never would have scared doc blanchard of army fame however i managed to let her my junior year before winding up in the hospital with a span of porn ribs broken collarbone in multiple lacerations as the shortstop my damaged wing forced me to throw underhand my last season as captain the vanderbilts baseball team we won the conference and after graduation we barnstorm for several weeks as a student i managed to qualify for five beta kappa rating but strictly on greek and latin to subject so i really liked in july nineteen one lee nashville daily news had just gotten going i went down to the news and lo and behold landed a job at sports editor my assignments included covering capitol hill the product market the customs house all for five dollars a week there were no grantland rice by lines and those first few issues and then one day editor martin commented on unsigned story he had stuck on the front page you're right make headlines freer leads rice keep it up perhaps one day you'll make a good inside man on the desk heaven forbid if there's one thing i didn't want it to be chained to a desk job personally i likely open road while working for the lana journaling nineteen five john mcgraw giants and connie max athletics met in the world series my job was to write the entire sport page under the salary checks zoomed up big twelve dollars and fifty cents a week i covered that nineteen five series in both new york and philadelphia and while i may have been amazed at the big city of new york i was even more impressed with the three shutouts christy mathewson pitched for the giants the cleveland you somehow got those columns and when i arrived home i found a letter offering me fifty dollars a week what the news i grabbed the bait like a barracuda the following spring nineteen six wedding bells rang the old church in america's georgia catherine hollis a lovely blonde five feet to had consented to become mrs grantland rice a year later i daughter florence was born and before too long i was back in nashville and working for another newspaper the tennessean at seventy dollars a week my only duties were two pages of sports daily four pages on sunday she write a column of verson paragraphs on the editorial page seven days a week covered the theater practically every night nashville being a one night stand this man riding around thirty thousand words excluding some twenty sets averse each week it also meant leaving home at eight in the morning and not seen kate in the baby along after midnight i wonder what the newspaper guild would upset about that well anyhow it was nineteen ten that i received a letter from mr henry all started in new york offering fifty dollars a week to join his paper they new york evening male i hesitated salary was a comedown but my bride said granny go ahead if i had what i imagined it took the crash the big town with high time to find out leaving kate in the baby in nashville at my mother's house i took a northbound train and eventually finally officer the mailer broadway in fulton street hat in hand i also found mr stoddard he didn't waste words rice he said i've been reading your stuff especially universe i never knew a sports writer worth fifty dollars a week but in your case i'll risk in new york and those days was the maelstrom compared to the quieter more sedate ways of nashville kate and the baby followed me in a few months but during the next few years there were times times when i vowed we'd go home the nashville but somehow i knew i wouldn't but we have set are sold ahead upon a certain go ahead and nothing left from held a sky show ever tournus back kate florence and i made the big step step destined to take made of the press boxes and rooms behind the scenes of the nation in the world now this is jimmy power saying that's it for today transcribed next time i'll tell you about grantland rice his first meeting with the one only babe ruth meeting the guard at a friendship nearly thirty years until then there's the jimmy powered saying so long for now down down down down down down nine no no no no no no no no no no no they may well no jimmy powers is grantland rice leading grantland rice his book the tumbled in the shouting in the program the grantland rice story for winning the one great score comes true right against year name he marks not that you won or lost but how you play the game i grantland rice is best quote send it certainly does mean a lot but would mean a lot to me is if you would come visit my web page over at classic radio dot stream that is classic radio dot stream over there you can learn more about classic radio collecting a find out more about me and the contact me there if you'd like in by the way you can also stream are podcasts on demand are podcasts are also available anywhere wherever fine podcasts are served including me i heart radio app spotify even through these apple and google 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got eighteen terrifying story here that's the word i was looking for about how the f b i n ice or using driver's license photos without owner's knowledge or consent evidently it say it's a gold mine for these facial recognition software being used by the f b i and by ice hearkens back i think quite a bit to the chinese government permanent at what they're doing in certain certain rebuild that yeah that social credit system of theirs and they're tracking all their citizens i mean you knew that a at some point or another that some government is gonna come along and say this is not such a bad idea let's try that it absolutely was but evidently oh let's go to the phones because this is free talk live and you can talk about whatever you want let's go to the phones we got stone calling in from north carolina stone you're on free talk live hey thanks aria and mark mark i was listening to your show from last night and i just wanted to a possibly correct some of the things that were said 'em based on what i've been reading on the internet a if you don't mind no apparently so we were talking about last night be oh gosh what what's what's the guy's name the main epstein yellow arrested for child sex trafficking yeah shows that easy it was like rearrested first a child sex reid rearrested in now recharged a conviction but he's already had i it's very bizarre the first time he got a hell of a deal agreed prosecutors well i mean it seems like he spent backup to his old eric sanjay rendered obsesses assistance tuesday f b i as they a part of that agreement and i think that that's a real problem but it also carried with the stipulation that none of his coconspirators could be charged mel surprise surprise yeah i mean well well there's a lot of problems obviously what the system and how it works you know the the older gerke of having a at a rich and powerful group of people running hundreds of millions of people's live and this is kind of an example of how it's compounded and obviously 'em we agree on a lot of issues so yeah so children or or people that are teenagers a should have a certain amount of autonomy and be able to contract and and such but like you said a last night i believe that the girls were getting paid thousands of dollars or i think you said from a two hundred to a thousand dollars a was what the article said i mean that sounds like a pretty good deal it is reporting yeah yeah so there's a book i'm looking at the new york post dot or and why post dot com article from the two thousand sixteen and it's basically talking talking about a book called filthy rich by james patterson where a lot of the information about these allegations is james read or write fiction does he not i don't know that that question but all right go ahead i thought the subtitle of the book is the shocking true story of jeffrey epstein alright a and anyway so the i guess the issue is for me that a one of the allegations in the book is is that a girl who went by the name of allison a whiz purportedly hired as a teenager per per giving him a massage and she made it explicitly clear that she didn't want to be penetrated in her allegation is the key bender her over the table and penetrated or an for a massage is a if you're hired to do a massage even in erotic massage after one or two hundred dollars and a the client benji over the table without you're explicit consent well rape in any context that's right i mean regardless of the people in popper what they agreed to prior to that right penetrating somewhat without their consent is right exactly and and i looked at the allegations and james patterson is indeed a fiction writer it doesn't mean he can't write fiction yeah tom clancy wrote some nonfiction books about a tank warfare and i'm concerned it's gonna be more along the lines of what dan brown does which is essentially taken idea and say you know this is one hundred percent based on fact it's not i don't wanna be put into the ring or a realm of defending this epstein person he sounds like a despicable human being and i think used the term sick a half a dozen times last night and in talk will i would have to ask why would they agents at the girl said he was sleeping with hot asli i think they started with a four fourteen was the lowest age that we were told about another thirteen their thirteen year olds that are alleging to bend country okay you know i mean there's there you go so thirteen is their age and that to me seems too young for a to be able to make a fully informed decision about these sorts of things however i you know if i if i end up in a situation where i'm trying to determine well do we need a state to solve this particular problem no i think this is ultimately comes down the bad parenting i don't have a thirteen year old girl but i do have an eleven year old boy and he's never been in a situation where some stranger could possibly offer him some ridiculous amount of money i mean if you're a thirteen year olds going someplace to give a sixty six year old billionaire a massage you've got parenting problems yeah i think most of the parents were aware of this and most of the plea facilitated it i don't know i i'm speculating now to be fair one well a yeah no i agree that the government does exacerbate problems up a parenting and that you're taking children and putting them in the homes and a lot of the children that have been working with the the prosecutors are from a group homes there were other kind of social homes but yeah the guy sounds like a predator they're always gonna find end the way defined the week i mean there's no doubt about that certainly but i bet i bet the girls spent the money to yeah yeah morton likely 'em definitely i mean but i'm just saying so so the government exacerbates the problem by by making it illegal to contract certain services a even for adults and children or or teenagers in the situation there already involved in in a in a black market activity devotee of of erotic massage on adult a so it it definitely makes it very difficult to run a great thing right yeah well i don't know that reporting it would have done much good 'em one parents of these girls did in fact reported to the police and it was what led to his thirteen month that corporation where he spent twelve hours a day in work release despite the fact that sex offenders are not supposed to be granted work release in that county in the first place so i don't know what good reporting it would really have done i'm honestly i'm not sure that as long as there wasn't any coercion and pilots fault that he really did anything immoral suddenly there was i it doesn't it wouldn't surprise me at all if this guy had a you know here's clear he he he thrived on power certainly they must billionaires to entice doesn't surprise me i don't know if that's true but you know i it's it seems like this guy thrives on power our end a guy that thrives on power when they get you know what once they're in the room with the young gal it appears the gals in this circumstance then a you know i mean that they used a little bit of of a force to get what he wants yeah that doesn't surprise me at all i don't think he's thinking about the libertarian lines between what is co workers in an what is voluntary action and the hayes venus that's a you know being a post pugh bessant adolescence you know how all these these my new shove it all i would imagine he's not he's just saying i'm gonna get mine and as i understand it we were talking about in some cases two times a day i mean you know this is a racist appetite for a you know a i dunno abuse sounds like it to me but it exactly and i guess my point is that at 'em in a in a libertarian world a it might be possible for people to have sex with teenagers legitimately but when you're dealing with someone very sophisticated adults who has a much more intelligence and experience in manipulating people a and they're they're willing to use some threats of 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lie i think it's really kind of an embarrassment a lot when i see and i understand the watch be principle but i think it couldn't be lost and needed that libertarians have now kind of got eight reputation online for i don't wanna say dumping forever ilia but that that's that's the reputation that separate from what rep pedophilia yeah i think that people who can't make cogent intellectual arguments do tend to boil things down into the easiest parts so pedophilia as you know it probably is not even coming into play here we're talking about post pets and people so pedophilia i said earlier i said if if if you're feeling okay i'm sorry that's the way i pronounces maybe i've heard it wrong i dunno end yeah so how do you realize that for centuries or even thousands of years a twenty five twenty six year old men took thirteen fourteen year old wives right well there's how oh you mean absolutely cannot hold on let me answer go ahead you mean most of the things that were doing thousands of years ago we find to be absolutely of foreign now yeah i don't think that argument holds up those things that year zero a should probably never be done again i'm not sure what examples you're referring to to me a society marshall laboring slavery still exists there we we have larry right now in the united states we just call it imprisoning that's why the drug war came about at the same time yeah i think i let me let me take another tactic with this i think that 'em yes i agree with you that that this is be a this is the direction the people want this a point it now again if anybody asks me my opinion on when people are old enough to have sex my opinion is winning you can keep your own domiciled meaning that you can then take care of your own child 'em then you're old enough so i would say the mini like twenty six twenty seven years old in most cases there you go wow a fine so that makes me somebody who had i think sex the first time in seventeen years old which i it's pretty average for somebody a male my age 'em you know to young because i was not keeping my own domiciled i would sneaking out of my house and to you know do these sorts of things and then the consequences my actions would likely have fallen on my parents end that in my opinion that makes you too young so however if you're asking me to be fairly epstein case then i need to look at both sides an i think mostly epstein case what we have here is is one rich powerful guy hiding the actions of mini rich powerful guys and what i would like to see if i got my druthers is forever gene to finally get to roll on these people and then for them i believe the heat from a legal standpoint has paid his price that that it's not okay to subvert a thousand years of english common law in order to go get this guy who's done something bad if he got himself a sweetheart deal finding dandy but i would like to know very much what went on with clinton and trump and all these other people in the lead like all the names out there to leave but then again we found out a lot of things in the panama papers nobody remembers those either so good caller all right and i do understand be the point there about a i guess you don't want to have to create a standard that would really a make justice worse for a lot of other people just because of this one case that's brings a i think the thing though is is what i would say is i mean i'm not gonna i'm not gonna talk as if i am a libertarian 'cause i'm not but i think that optically i'm incredibly turn it off when i you're at the age of ten and then what do you do about that i mean like give me some advice here i would like i know as a libertarian hold on williams limiting the flush the question i will give you plenty of time pressure don't worry i'm gonna flush the question out so 'em as age of consent is a real question every one of us has had an age of consent question at some point in our life whether it's age of consent to see it or movie they have sex window people 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dot l r n dot fm l this is talk radio you control take control of the airwaves eight five five four fifty free free talk live or if you want clear equality hop on over to the discord server at discord dot l r n dot fm and used one of the call in lines there just get right back into it we've got dan from nebraska dan you're back with us now on free talk live a mark had a question for you yeah let me rephrase it very quickly dan before so you don't have to just sort of a gopher memory on that on the question is basically 'em what he will be idea of age of consent plagues libertarianism as you pointed out you're like i don't like libertarians i won't call myself a libertarian because the age of consent and i get it man i don't think it's a real hindrance to calling yourself a libertarian because a libertarian would say that an adult has the right to make whatever decisions they want so long as they don't harm other people and that leaves the term age of consent out because only adults were able to make those statements and if you dislike libertarianism you should dislike it for a different reason other than this but in in the world where with age of consent is question go ahead i consider myself a leftist i this is certainly not my only gripe libertarian okay great demoted on this one but what i was gonna say is i actually don't particular thing first off that there's anything wrong with the idea of taking cases as far as like a you know the difference between sex smoking these things in making a distinction based on a would be based on things that are arbitrary i don't think being i don't think decisions that are betray i think that's what a lot of people think oh this just you're in a in a lotta ways and i think what you're getting at is that were essentially waiting until they see earth has rotated around it revolves around the sun enough times don't go suddenly magically you're an adult and for me 'em age of consent it's not about age at all about maturity end up inexperience not number of years old one is i i lost my virginity at thirteen people ask well did you i already am i i didn't feel ready or unready i wanted to do a thing so i did a thing people like this this great monumental life changing decision and then like ninety nine point nine percent of cases is simply isn't i would argue i'd say it's life changing but is usually yucky go ahead so i guess what i would say is a i am and when you make this example about about like how many days i i understand like how that puts in perspective archery ness because truly i don't know necessarily that i could get out a logic equation actually work out for you would totally solid in this thing about you know as far as age across that entire board which is why would they actually think that trying to a make that a in like an important part of the discussion like it should be a part of it for sure we shouldn't just be ridiculous but i also think that that's just a hindrance to good governance in good society to be stuck automate the line on the calendar is just it's arbitrary as he lied on a map we will not archery in this case we're talking about the epstein tastes here in almost all of this hinges on the age of the young ladies in question i am saying it should it well i i understand what you're saying but v m everybody else saying otherwise right and i'm used to take if if if epstein took a went ahead and have some system for bringing in eighteen year old in nineteen year old gals when he got there but you did then he would have been hugh hefner an not epstein in convicted and all these other things and that's really so i mean age of consent is pivotal in this particular case and i don't have a solution for it for me it's like god i mean i look at situations like i'm looking at billy joel here with sixty six when he married a i'm sorry that was anthony hopkins at sixty six when he married a forty seven year old i'm seeing billy joel is fifty five when he married a twenty three year old i'm just going through list the list of years rupert murdoch to sixty eight and i mean the list goes on basically you know every older guy in hollywood who has the money goes out and you know gets himself a younger wife and it's all yucky but it's not criminal it's criminal in epsteins case because well they're under some arbitrary age end if you force me to say what that age is i'm gonna be i'm gonna come up short under the say probably sixteen can i ask what makes it yucky for fifty five year old to take a twenty three year old wife i don't know because they will not know what these older man where's it because the man sleeping with a younger woman go ahead calling i you feel i think that a this i think when you're talking about fifty five and twentythree that this guy italy we understand that fifty five and twentythree are where we don't belong but still there's plenty of i'm gonna stay fucking familial an social and cultural sanction that comes through those a that comes through the situation shares rightfully so i think that it's good that we have a different lines lines where we know if it's thirteen you should be legally sanction we know that but maybe if you get a little bit older that's only for social sanction i think it's good to have both cultural end the legal standard i think it's good that they're different because i don't because i think that's the best way to make the distinction about how much were going to accept these kinds of things as a society when do we say i'm not gonna get in the way that would also standards and if government standards though like shit at the government outlaw the the problem is is they were saying that there's in american society and that is bullcrap okay elvis presley married whatever priscilla presley at some ridiculously low wage and actually waited likely he had sex with earlier the net but he wasn't appellation same with loretta lynn she married very young her husband whatever the heck his name was i mean histories forgotten him i'm sure somebody screaming at the radio right now what the what the guy's name is but whatever i mean like here we are me feet northeasterners tellingly appalachians how their lives well i mean you know no there's all kinds of cultures what about the illusions out there in alaska nobody pays any attention them until suddenly they decided to get married fourteen have sex at fourteen i think we should in a lot of cases just but out of these people's business okay i am so i get what you mean and by that i think that a so here's what i would say is as far as you said you're not alone let him i think that there's nothing wrong with the idea of saying you know di di plurality plurality in dc or or some kind of are society have under have understood at now but the most that we do about this and it can try to draw the lines guide us the best we can they might change in the future because they're wrong but just like science we will only try to become more and more correct as time goes on certainly right now the standards were using about some things i will probably think pretty regrettably about when i'm you're age normally twenty so i get that much i don't think that that should stand in the way of the of the idea of trying to be corrective trying to creek good society and frankly i'll tell you in the case of other cultures i actually don't have a problem with saying this other culture wrong about something like this cultures that wants to have thirteen year olds marrying then maybe three four times their age without the thing that i think we call it not okay sure you invading look you're judging them according to your own cultural standards and that's fine should we invade them because that stuff's going on around the world yes should we bringing military forties i'm over it i don't wanna pay them over okay that's the kind of that's the kind of governance that belong intra are society okay not not necessarily something we need to so we should 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the way but in some cases libertarians have been framed on the internet and libertarians are above using this particular divisive issue of the age of consent to sort of fight each other there is aj for those who don't know way much lauded the issue that happened with free talk live in us being banned from the porcupine freedom festival over well in his comments or perceived comments 'cause a lot of time looking forward to my band for saying that i was thirteen when i lost my virginity to an eighteen year old i don't think that a historical fact is gonna get you in trouble it's what you advocating for in the future end you're profile so lee position that different people mature at different rates an in different ways is clear an undisputed in the child development sphere but once you enter into this one particular aspect and by age of consent consent have sex now 'em then you you you're stepping on land mines a pretty quickly in pretty easily at other lutely it's it's murky because america is the way america is about sex and i'm not gonna claim to be immune from that i find this issue to be too hot to handle i tried to avoid it as best i can but when it's brought up what i like to do is i like to go back and put put the person who's asking the questions on their heels 'cause my position is you're not old enough to have sex until you're old enough to pay your own rent right end not old enough to pay their own i mean that is able to pay your own rent i just don't think sexist that major decision in most days if you have children in children are they probable almost certain outcome of heterosexual sex an well if they have sex and i've looked into this woman was to have heterosexual sex every single day for months there say twentyfive percent chance that she would become pregnant during that month k which is very low for someone who is having sex unprotected sex every single day i would certainly argue then in order to and i don't like the terminology of being ready for sex because i just find that generally problematic because i don't think it was i ready to learn how to play the guitar which i ready to adopt a cat was i ready to learn to drive but we don't ask these sorts of questions in most cases we just go oh i want to learn this thing or i want to do this thing when we go out and do it but when it comes to sex well you don't sue sex by herself and i think that's what people are looking for so for one i would say that if you've got to fourteen year olds they're playing doctor whatever terminology we wanna users euphemism for having consensual sex with each other and then happens there's news stories of the police arresting usually just the mail l a for a you know young people for sex that you know it doesn't even make any sense or they sent pictures of each other to each other districts himselves to each other and that kind of thing and they got arrested for child pornography for child pornography which is absolutely ridiculous and beyond the scope of it should be beyond the scope of the law and the the problem is is a you know we don't get to choose how the laws enforced once these old criminals they call themselves politicians make the laws of the indy be a you know the the police brass decide how that's gonna be enforced and then the police go out and do what their bras told them to do and it's all just a bunch of people saying whoa whoa i don't think people should be having sex well there's nothing we can do about that so if i were set up rules and i had the set rules up on agers something i would say look if you're saying look we have we have states in the united states were sixteen year olds gonna have sex with eighty year olds we do indeed out any consequences an i mean the twenty something states there's a lot of them in somehow or another the world spins on so i'm just gonna go ahead and say apparently sixteen years old is old enough to have sex and it's old enough to have sex it's old enough to videotape tape yourself having sex so pornography in prostitution and all these other things are all on the table at that point do i like the idea of sixteen year old young ladies having sex i don't i don't like it but that's not my business my question is how many people do you wanna throw in prison over it end at this point they could have sex and they could have a job so they should be able to have a job having sex is far as i can tell i would agree with that assessment entirely i would say they don't know the i wouldn't even wanna say sixteen maybe fifteen maybe even fourteenth it's not my thing but it it it's still not my place to judge i'm not gonna argue against any of those simply because i believe at some fourteen year olds would be able to make those decisions in some cannot but i would say that any young person within a certain age range of the other young person there a doing whatever they're doing less it's they shouldn't be arrested i couldn't tell you the things happened with the neighbor girl i i i didn't you know we didn't go all the way or anything like that but we were young right like quite young ends the idea that some adult would step in there and determined the criminality hit occurred when both of us you know i'll tell you what she was b m initiator so what does that mean she should go to jail she was younger to well when i lost my elliott thirteen to the eighteen year old it was in fact to an eighteen year old female but this didn't change the fact that i knew what eighteen year old male who was facing statutory rape charges were having sex with a fourteen year old girl right so it's it's not just the cops choosing when and where to enforce it it's inherently sexist in most cases as somebody buddy when it out at ti life dot l r n dot fm if they young boy has sex with eight thirty year old female teacher nobody's really bad and i but yeah they're gonna go oh he's so lucky that's how i feel when i see these younger things 'cause i i used younger kids 'cause hey all by teachers were ugly and and be wow how do you get a hot there's no doubt that i want that to happen oh yeah when i was fourteen years old there's no doubt that i would have gone forward with that end i don't know you know what the what the scarring is is there a difference between the psychological scarring of me wanting to do that act which happened or end versus me doing that act i don't think that's the right word i think you probably wouldn't happy it's not practicing buddies i gotta clean it word for you claiming that the word for the people would claim the pits and they're all terrible yeah and it's it's a complicated issue i should be treated like one of these sorts of inside a statement so anyone who's under eighteen who has sex with anyone over eighteen should they should both be thrown in prison shout point that sort of biopic a viewpoint of the world it's it's cheapening ns degrading to every human being alive right and i don't think the jails only answer as a young man pointed there are social sanctions i don't think a teacher who goes in a you know does some horrible act with the entire class should just continue to be a teacher oil is nothing we could do we can't throw him or her in jail anymore because the libertarians who in charlotte right i mean that's ridiculous crap that is just thrown out there by both sides to not have to think about every other great point the libertarians make it i mean you could still fire the teacher right fire the takes it out of the boy scouts girl scouts or or i dunno by that time it's just the scouts whatever the hell happens i don't care because leisurely because i know better parenting this okay i don't care why like these news stories come up my question is every single time how the hell did this happen to your head and i'm sure there's a percentage of parents out there that are what i would call good parents but these things happen to in the sad stories of courage to however i really believe it's people who did a bad job parenting early and then they're like well what what apple apple well what happened is is that you didn't talk to your kid you don't have frank conversations with you didn't discuss real life with him in in real life hit him right in the seat of the pants quite literally at which point they didn't know what to do so they just went along with allow themselves to be molested for all intensive purposes but yeah that's bad parenting they say lack of of maturity right i don't tell my kid to respect somebody based on age that don't part of it this stupid thing to respect somebody based on old survival in the most survivable country on the planet congratulations nations yeah here's their cookie right happy birthday free talk live eight five five four five zero three seven three three give us a call let us know what you think again that's eight five five four fifty free as in free talk live is oral health important to you if you don't like you're own teeth fresh breath 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piece of work you may hurry in now and now and now it is free talk live take control of the airwaves what eight five five four five zero three seven three three which you tonight it's aria mark we've been having a bit of discussion oh we got carried off into the age of consent thing because it's such a big deal but of course be leads story story today is c f b i an ice using people's driver's license to build a database of essentially just horrific abuses of people's right to not be searched the seeds without a warrant building these facial recognition databases out of people's driver's licenses but let's get right back to the phones we got larry from indiana calling in larry you're on free talk live our lives under you're pro wherever and the you know you talk about the guy they got busted whoever was the the financial guy for a child porn or whatever epstein in yes have morning at but now you now you could look right on on the website and all these pornography website they have special section where they show young what appear to be underage girls talking about how they get paid five thousand dollars for porn seen in everything in how they get in contact with the people at a ban on everything else so people need the shut their mouths i mean what the government does it says back in bust up families in these young girls those situations where they have to go out and make money somewhere to keep up with the joneses in the face by they could make a five grand per one explain what they're gonna do one time right after another so they just need the showed up the same way that they promote alcohol every corner is got a group of bar was still and then they got adds a buzz driving is drunk driving could cost you ten thousand in the state of indiana here even pay the set up these booze joined a group of out of the tax dollars so they just made just shut up i mean some person have been influenced by rap music talking about all the stuff that cardi b got i got everything they wanna get their nails down they wanna get there then they want my boyfriend's they i wanna go do stuff for free they find out that you get paid this is laughing but advertisements for what they do is promoted and they banned it sounds about right actually is that we create a world centered around found drugs and sex and didn't tell kids don't do drugs and or have sex animal unbanned subway ride and they could they could go or a phone and watch the most filthy porn so narrow they want to watch it anytime any art and i was watching you know best catching it gets resolved but yeah i i agree wholeheartedly up but i don't know if it's true that are society promotes strucks insects as much as it is just humans inherently crave drugs and sex who knows whether it's the chicken and egg product that you wouldn't claimed the society is promoting a sex and drugs right i don't know i mean if humans crave sex and drugs show iety promotes the society is promoting it right society and its values and the things she promotes i argue which are just reflections of human desire so right well let me let us not motivated people ready desire these things but we are sending conflicting messages to people definitely regardless of what their ages you do have all sorts and it's not limited to just rapper any specific specific type of music you have all sorts of music video said glorify sex you have to wake up with a certain amount of hangovers to realize that drinking alcohol to access is a bad idea and some people never learn you all i mean you know every everybody's got a purpose in life and some of their purposes disservice a bad example a well this can happen so the argument that it's been happening as long as the you know the like as far back as the bible bible sampson stories basically a story about don't get drunk 'cause women will cut her hair and turn it into a flavor something i i don't remember you're a little complicated definitely alcohol involved but you're absolutely correct and i would argue that the same thing is true of sex you know it it is a immediately cleared of someone why having a lot of sex might be a bad idea just like you might wake up with one too many hangovers you might wake up with hiv you might wake up pregnant you might wake up having impregnated someone and of course those are much riskier consequences much graver consequences rather than waking up with hangover but you still learned the lesson and ideally you learning minor enough lesson that you can adjust your behavior and move forward without harming anyone else right agreed but that isn't always the case he's certainly not a there there are a lot of people that's why the abortion rights is what it is because there are a lot of people having ill considered sex because they have this sort of and i don't know what the numbers is i'm not going to pretend to but they do have this sort of don't worry about it we can alleviate you of any responsibility that might result from having had sex that's kind of how i saw planned parenthood back when i was a teenager is that ultimately if this situation goes south yeah well we've got a backup plan and i think that many adults find that a you know upsetting but maybe there should be other backup plans i don't know i i i must be opinion at a you know a plethora of unwanted two children just fills the prison systems it certainly does i mean it feels see adoption clinics or whatever they're referred to as with unwanted children all i'm adoption adopted an i will say that having looked but these numbers adopted kids come with their problems they've you know they're much more likely to every advantage was thrown at me i was a middle class kid or at least my lower middle class or something like that my parents worked hard to send me to private school i still got in trouble because the top two kids have problems well everybody has problems i understand i i would imagine that we have more i yeah i would imagine because of the circumstances of having been essentially giving up by the people who brought him into this world that they they do just sort of indian endemically have more that's the right word but i'm curious my mother told me from you know from the very start those adopted and all that and i think that that comes with the sort of abandonment a psychology and those kind of things however everybody vilifies leave people that a you know don't tell their kid until later in life i have a cousin who still does not know he was adopted but he's done essentially the same thing he was brought into lower middle class middle class life all the all the same he was he could have gone to college and you know being a successful middle class upper business upper middle class person and instead he became addicted to heroin and oxy cotton yeah so just like his birth mother with no knowledge of having been adopted whatsoever it's so to a certain extent i would say you know it's suggested some of that is genetic well and that's another and another staying up a john taylor gadoe a you talked about this at one point and certainly he's not the one who did the research but that's where i heard about it was that you're that communication takes all forms an partier communication sort of physicality the cavity an you move into this other family that you don't that's not your family and they move different they their their genetics through different and there's just some some differences going on and that puts you in this weird swimming world where you're like why what's real and what's not an end if you know some of the results sars is that adopted kids have much higher rates of addiction much much higher rates of teen pregnancy much higher rates of incarceration then so regular kids it doesn't seem to matter whether you tell zimmer not interesting man it's unfortunate so it might not actually be genetics just the fact that you know they are genetic line hey being put into surrounding sub genetic line see or whatever and that's just charring ring ended up itself it's i think it's i think it's the jarring aspect of it personally is what i would say i think that people who are adopting kids were doing god's work and i wouldn't wanna diminish that in any way a you know my mother chose to be chateaux give me an opportunity in and and that sort of thing and i i can do nothing but thank her for it but i do think there are consequences to adoption whether they're worth it i'd say they're worth it but they're just there i would agree there definitely worth the last thing i'm gonna do is is discourage anyone from adopting especially when we have so many kids right now who are not adopted i think they're the same great service i don't know if i would say is the work of god but it's a it's a gift of humanitarian aid you probably wouldn't yeah eight five five four five zero three seven three three let us know what you think again that's eight five five four five zero three seven three three four if 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weren't legally only allowed to oh certainly not yeah no i mean certainly i heard of of course they got a warrant for every one of these pictures they chose to used to this right well millions and millions of warrants i doubt it down to a facial show recognition requests internal documents and emails over the last five years obtained through public wreck could request by georgetown university researchers and remember driving is a privilege and you gave your picture to the government back in nineteen teen eighty four when you first got you're driver's license knowing full well that there would be facial recognition software in the future and you consented to this ladies and gentleman no you didn't because that's absolutely ridiculous jealous statist not drivel yeah it's certainly not eight privilege they're not in any realistic around it's a privilege to pay for the roads well no no you absolutely have to pay the roads or they'll take your home from you or they'll go after you're not filing taxes you know these kinds of things you know there's no privileged to it for the people who say it's a privilege you should watch the video of me getting pulled over a few weeks ago after i left free talk live and you know had to get harassed by police essentially for not fulfilling their little jumping through their hoops i'm paying them the money that they were extorting from me in order to be able to travel but lad like a free person should be able to do so you'll have a driver's license i do okay i did it it was expired inspired and there were difficulties getting a new one because of government bureaucracy red tape in order to get my birth certificate from these state of mississippi which is necessary to get a license in new hampshire i had to give them hey valid idee which i couldn't get him because you orange yeah yeah yeah government bureaucracy at its finest yeah essentially so these the dmv 's information about you has been turned into the bedrock of an unprecedented surveillance infrastructure i don't know about how unprecedented it is i mean edward snowden showed us that there's some pretty scary precedence out there but certainly as far as facial recognition software goes this is probably unprecedented for the united states so coming to us from crunch dot com police have obviously long had access to fingerprints dna san francisco chronicle a against houston chronicle sorry at other biometric data taken from criminal suspects but the dmv record's it's contained the photos of the majority of states residents most of whom have never been charged with the crime and probably never will be maybe some driving infractions or moving violations whatever they refer to them as but probably never anything that's going to constitute what most people would consider hey crime but nightmare congress nor state legislatures have authorized development upset chase system to no one's surprise in growing numbers of democratic and republican lawmakers are criticizing the technology essay dangerous pervasive an error prone surveillance tool certainly wasn't there just a case in new york a vague guy who's he his face was recognized by apple based off of his idea or something like that and he ended up getting arrested and it wasn't even he who was the person who stole from the apple store i don't know i don't remember all the details about it but we've already seen this being misused and abused and identifying be wrong person law enforcement the access of state databases says particularly dmv databases this often done in the shadows with no consent house committee on oversight and reform chairman cummings said in a statement to the post up another step a statement comes by republican so it it say bipartisan effort at the very least to at least pretend they want to scale this system back the the system they have a overseeing a grow yes they wanna scaleback yet they created this system and then they just sat there twiddling their thumbs while libertarians like hey you realize how the system you created it's like about to be used in the next ten years right and they're like no no it's totally fine we don't have an out of control f b i don't have an out of control police state that's going to abused any information own you that it can get certainly not yeah that's what's gonna happen so the dmv according to representative jim jordan of ohio says they've just given access to this database to the f b i know individual signed off on that when they renew their driver's license no they decide to do any waiver saying oh it's okay to turn my information my photo over to the f b i right i mean people are worried about what happens to their dead bodies in conjunction with their there a particular a states idc's but no one's nose or cares whether or not the fbi's using their picture for the building facial recognition database so they're taking just hunt people down on all these silly warrants they're out there don't forget the the size of the government grows every single year more laws were passed more things become illegal an eight supreme court justice says just recently been quoted as saying that's neal gorsuch and that anyone can be arrested for anything thing in this country yeah i think what a lot of i think the mistake a lot of people make is they look at these various factions dmv the f b i is different entities when in fact they're the same entity there the state they're always working together to get you they supposedly free citizen eight five five four five zero three seven three three eight five five four fifty free this is a special alert for business owners consultants coaches folks planning retirement entrepreneur doors and anyone who is saving and investing to build a financial future your likely aware that financial privacy for most people has recently died a miserable deaths and let's face it without privacy there really is no security is there bankrupt governments in banks on the verge of 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it comes to government encroachment and government growth in government doing things that it shouldn't be libertarians have almost perfect track record's i mean we were talking about are emails being hats and read we're talking about are text messages being intercepted phone cosby monitored by the government before edward snowden came out and was like oh by the way the libertarians all right the government has these massive web programs to monitor you perfect is a or almost perfect is eight bold claim i cannot refute it at this time but the number is eight five five four five zero three seven three three that's eight fifty five four fifty free is free talk live an if you have you ain't refutation of arias claim here is it a libertarians predictions on the growth of the state in their end it's a sort of the veracity of those predictions i would love to hear anybody make eight point counter because i can't think of one at this moment i mean you do have some libertarians libertarians out there who just go totally unhinged like oh no the government didn't actually land on the moon and they're doing another baby libertarians at that point but they may they may also be some kind of wacky a conspiracy theorists too so i would say libertarian based predictions about eighty encroachment of these states on our personal freedoms are paying almost perfect track right as opposed to as a conspiracy based 'em a you know a prediction you have to presume a premise for conspiracy theory to be true right like so the premises i'd say you know no one is ever know human is ever traveled to the moon you know tremendous assumed that is contrary to what we believe a nine eleven wasn't inside job premise assumed contrary to what sort of the major wind story is produced by the government right lbj was responsible for this fascination of jfk premise assume i'm not saying it's not true i just don't i feel like it's it's assuming it premise end because i have to work in eight field where we cite materials i have a difficult time where you know just sort of just assuming premise no you're wrong this is what happened well no you're wrong this is what happened i can't lives like that i don't know why i don't recall who it was but there were some philosopher or scientists who left centuries ago who said something like you know the ability to hold a number of different positions in a state of i don't know is the marcus someone who is truly wise okay you know those people who take those positions who make those border search and it's like nine eleven with bush cheney did nine eleven it's like look i don't know if if that's what happened i'm not going to claim to believe that because i don't believe that i don't believe the government's story about nine eleven i sure don't i don't know and i'm happy leaving it at that right and the same thing in regard to the jfk assassination i am i'm fairly sure that man has in fact been on the moon i will admit i don't know that but i've never seen any compelling reason not to believe that i believe it because that's what i was taught an i believe it was a terrifying trip i'm sure it was very lucky to have returned but i believe it happened i don't doubt that it happens now i believe it probably did but i mean i say that what they carry out up probably right there but i'm one of those 'em skeptics you know i'm one of those weapons demolishes that's not what i'm looking for i believe what's what you know people of science say generally until i come to conclusions and i've been lied to and you there's a few areas where i'm like you know hey assertions were being made in the name of science here that are sort of unfounded in that area i guess a couple of them are you know some of the more outlandish claims surrounding ending global warming as nice as a whole has become sort of religious sized in the last several years where they they are now claiming to note things you know the science on global warming a subtle wait a minute because no true scientists would ever say that anything was settled in weinstein kind of global warming no one will tell me what it is every time i hear a prediction on what a global warming is is all right let's look totally nuts the predictions from ten years ago were twenty years years ago 'cause global warming zanu concept it's been around since the eighties let's talk about and don't forget all the protections that we'd all be dead by nineteen eighty seven i'm from earth day in nineteen seventy one because there is say a the sort of humans are a virus death cult idea that's out there that we are the problem with the world and i don't necessarily believe that there i can't remember the i believe it's probably true but not in regards to a number of people you know well we are 'em which we're a hybrid between aj a a k mammal and unarmed mammal we tend to eat out in any given us fear in which we reside but were trying to as a as a society is a group were trying not to leave green spaces in places where you know animals can do their thing and stuff like that but we get nothing but shame all along way and by the way if you're one of these global warming types shame isn't the way you motivate people it really isn't i know it's a it's a way you feel sanctimonious so you're really good at doing what you actually wanna do which is seem to seem smog but what you wanna do is motivate people enter motivate people you need hope you need inspiration you need a clear path to victory go find some of that crap and then talk about how global warming is a problem and then you could offer a solution otherwise it's just like 'em let's see will give governments the let's say least accountable and most disorganized organizational model in human history ability the tax a major corporations were whom we you know really have no responsibility but we buy everything from 'em the ability of tax them further and that'll solve it was that should plan 'cause it sucks yeah that's a that's a terrible plan out though it did did you happen as i'm sure you did did you see a casio cortez's green new deal where they something like a slaughter massacre all the cows or something like that because cal flatulence well i actually delete us oh no i actually agree or disagree disagree with it i just don't think it's practical and i don't think that these other people who want to run your life they want to tell you what you can and can't do any shake their heads up there and goes cow flatulence swell cal flatulence is a huge problem and no one's gonna dress it however the you know people the problem is is it's too hard to tell at american hey you gotta stop eating beef but if the government would just stop subsidizing meet certainly stop giving corporate welfare fair to meet distributors stop making it hard for small farmers to compete against large farmers stop the regulation that makes it nearly impossible to be a small farmer i know i was a small farmer a stop those things then what you'll see is the market a correct itself it makes no sense that corn costs axe per pound ended a pig who's fed largely on corn or a green derivatives is you know at the same cost cost ten ten pounds of corn jamaica pound pig or whatever the formula is and then the big cost the same per pound is the corn none of that makes any sense no end it's all government subsidies and things like that it it's obviously ineffective rights you you can't plug eight surge protector or a power strip unto itself and get electricity from it and that's essentially what subsidies are trying to do we don't know what the price of a pig actually should be or what the price of corn actually should be because the kind of people who were getting up there before congress says they're attempting to tell you what you can and can't do and they're going we have to exterminate all the cowles or they also the kinds of people who i lost my train it happens i don't know where that is i didn't lose the train of thought i 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they simply did it since two thousand eleven the f b i has lost more than what do you they're doing with their face but picture by the way but d f b i has logged oh yeah that's the largest data collection program by american intelligence agencies and world intelligence agencies don't don't act like it's only the united states the gets access facebook's stuff oh certainly not but they are doing it i have no doubt that was going through these dmv they're going because of all of these pictures are generally public cfp i the cia dns say be ice they eat that stuff up and you don't think united states has managed to hack russia's a driver's license a database i mean come on seriously you don't think they got it done the half do you think see russia has gotten the united states is a driver's license database i'm sure they have right like that's how these things work yes ladies and gentlemen you were treated like a commodity by these organizations claimed own you don't think they claimed own you let me let me lay it out for you follow the money how is it the banks which is what the federal reserve is it's a collection of private certainly give loans that's how many comes into circulation treasury bonds issued by the united states government and then money is given actual money you asked federal reserve notes usa dollars is they're called look at the dollar just federal reserve note federal reserve notes are issued in exchange for this treasury note thing treasury building an more that's alone what's that loan based on what's it collateralized by are you asking me sure go ahead tell me you're your existence your labor and that's what you're doing labor labor yeah because it's understood that you know x number of americans gonna work next yes he can talk to us that's being put up as collateral further that's what it is we're collateralized loan you are there commodity and have been for longer than you lift listen to this you think it's six collateralized you all right the federal debt has existed since at the very least the jackson administration and maybe sense they a revolutionary war but let's just take the the notion the jack's andrew jackson actually paid it off it's really close whatever there's probably there's a forty thousand dollar fudge number let's say he paid it off oh no forty thousand dollars it just think about that number in the context of today's money right today's government spending people are paid more than that per year in many cases so forty thousand thousand dollars were talking about you know minor minor numbers but that means the american civil war 'em they you know spanish american war mexican more they needed the wars on the indians all these things all this debt that's been piled up throughout the years world war one one world war two vietnam the whole deal all that debt that's been piled up and then all the social welfare programs the pile up with the to cause i figure about half of his war and about the other half is bad a government programs including medicare and these sorts of things so one hundred percent of it is bad government programs because morrissey summit bad government program yeah it's a massive told people voting on whether young young people should die for no reason 'em but you know these things you know that you were collateralized realized back before the civil war which means we're currently collateralized young people who don't exist and not only don't they exist but parents don't exist either it's the matter say back then and there is no plan to pay this thing off now one rand paul who's the most responsible of the liars and thieves in washington dc his plan is to to cut spending by two percent which is totally doable be idea there are good and they just they're just not going they could cut five percent seriously there's not a government program out there the couldn't cut five percent for the next five years stop spending thirty thousand dollars to teach filipino hookers how to use condoms something like that right so two percent per year for five years and then two percent growth for the next five years is his plan to a you know be so israelis plan budget neutral i mean that's what romney kept saying during two thousand twelve or two thousand eight whenever it was his oh which is grody economy which so that wasn't really not tommy those this is this is actually cutting some some government spending in addition to the whole the rest of it will be offset by economic growth right i mean all the one thing that one of the things is notable about bill clinton's administration was one year for one year they were able to create eight positive positive a you know they they paid off a little debt so they budget deficit which is not the debt the debt has never disappeared i told you the debt hasn't disappeared since the jackson administration and i need it yeah it's mainly change ten said deficits is how much of the government spends more then it makes and the deficit has existed eight deficit it's not deficit eight deficit has existed every year for my whole life i think except for bill clinton i'm gonna check that during the break to make sure but i'm forty eight years old and i don't believe that anything's being paid on the debt besides that one year and it was miniscule what was paid clinton's they only person who did it within my lifetime i i'm fairly sure of that but of course most of lifetime has been george w bush brock obama donald trump and bill clinton olive who did not hesitate to spend another seventy million dollars buying a new rocket from whatever company out there is manufacturing rocket photo showing some actually quite a few a surpluses budget surpluses in that same timeframe surrounding like ninety nine to two thousand so i i guess i'm wrong on this the rest of my life it appears as though there's been a budget deficit but looks like four years there were 'em according to this one particular a graph i've i've found that would that would be a good thing but even so it didn't come anywhere close to paint golf see national that who you are not responsible for i am not responsible for mark is not responsible for nobody who exists today is responsible for that debt except be politicians who have voted in favor of that debt i can't take the vast majority of more dead well yeah but it it increase was like operation iraqi freedom measure the politicians who increase it are responsible for what they increase but i can't go to the bank took out mumbling you know what don't even worry about this loan all of these three hundred and twenty million americans they're going to support it don't worry about me defaulting we can't just take some money from them every single year and i will use it to pay back this long from you it doesn't work that right way it's horrific lee immoral how could you possibly have any responsibility toward my debt if i were to do that just say screw up i dunno you anything i did have any say in this right you're simply did it that's the condition that were in but these were alerts have a so terrorized by their use of the police by their threats of military occupation because we are occupied by the military is impossible to dispute that when you have trump parading around with tanks in aircraft that stuff and when you have a peaceful town here in keene having a freaking bearcat we are under a military occupation patient by our own government i dunno a military occupation i mean certainly were militaristic society and governments are by their nature organizations of violence now now i don't mean all governments would have to be you there certainly voluntary governments out there that you can be part of but those governments don't we don't call governments we call them companies or businesses or something that's why separate the state right just government of government like this type of automobile right state is and organizational model that's used for governance and it is a claims a monopoly privilege and the use of violence and the given landmass anticipate that definition you should google brock bama using exactly that definition right defined the government just going to actually you'll find the clip there he says hoa grover through the distinguishes the nation state from a about all the other organizations yum unforced force hey he's not wrong kito is at most accurate definition i've ever heard a politician why not the most accurate definition most accurate definition is the state is an organization the claims a monopoly privilege over the use of violence and the given landmass however that when he said no he he touched on it he can't close see he wasn't attempting he wasn't he's not a libertarian and he wasn't attempting to critique he just you know it was raining just reiterating the stuff that they learn in there you know social studies classes in college or whatever and he forgot that moment as you're not supposed to tell the public that stuff no but i 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are i mean no one no one thinks for a second that the department of motor vehicles of individual states isn't gonna just turnover whatever information that the federal roll law enforcement agencies might ask portland mean there's there's not even it's not even thought oh well maybe this they may be using this information for something they shouldn't be using it for and maybe they need a warrant for these this kind of stuff but they've used use these databases at least three hundred and ninety thousand times since two thousand eleven the record's show the federal investigators have forged daily working relationships with the dmv officials sure yeah because i mean it's nice to be friends with people who are giving you illegal information right yeah i mean as to how illegals information is i don't know they get to write these rules legality isn't a you know to me if they wanna build a database of all americans and probably all other people but they've managed to find that a you know governments have picture ideas for two but if they wanna build a world encompassing database for facial recognition ignition which is what they appear to be attempting to do it doesn't surprise me at all i mean think about it ladies and gentlemen if you had a true or false question here the government would like to build a global database the base of everyone's face for facial recognition true or false clearly true i mean you have to be a mouth breathing fool to believe otherwise oh by a lot of people do believe otherwise because they i don't i think they do because they buy into that benevolent something government they operate as though they believe it but if you ask them that question do you think the government in the united states government front frankly that applies to any right if you look the government a great britain the government of russia the government of germany do you china you pick do you think they want a global database of forget glow affirmed forever facial recognition or not an of course the answer is yes yeah they absolutely do i mean it's the ultimate that at that way all they do is say what do you have hide well i don't know what i have the high does matter of fact i don't think i have anything to hide but right what did the two seats have the hide when the in rwanda when leah competing tribe decided to wipe them out in the nineteen nineties what is the japanese americans have the hide when the roosevelt administration used usa since this information one to hunt them down incarcerate them i know i know these things couldn't happen here in america anymore than they are with trump tried to put the citizenship question on the census i guess they are with the i don't know if you answer their citizenship question if you answer any of their questions that that's true you're just it's voluntary is it will act like it's not but it's it is well i have no intention of complying whether it's voluntary are not right i mean you know what i did when they came around kicks was i i intend to the show this person how invasive it was rather than you know going through all the rigamarole 'cause he was already doing that that experiment i don't either do that experiment experiment was into any animals justice would pull out a camera and you're telling me is not gonna comply end you know you ask some questions telling the state of violence and all that stuff i chased off the porch not chasing off the porch in the sense that he wasn't actually telling them to leave right here's this refusing an recording the experience of than talking to them in the fashion that if you could imagine the libertarian nationally syndicated radio talk show with do chose to do right i on the other hand decided i went and got a piece of paper a pen and every time the woman asked me a question i asked the question of her man so she had the tell me everything about her she was asking me and i'm guessing she was not willing link today don't know she is absolutely willing to do it is right answer the question is how many people were in her house sold and where she lives in in all these questions every one of them i asked her wrote it down and do anything with insurance right away after she but i wanted to show how creepy is this oh it's extremely creepy end it's even you know look i mean let's remember what they said it doesn't matter if they wait for the government to find out how many citizenship has an indie republics public style democracy is federalists government is supposed to be a good positive thing for the government know generally how many people there are that's because we're told we're the government right anderson most in b m stuff segmenting up the district's end assigning a number of representatives percent of those based on this population and things like that but all they need to do that is the number right all they need to know is how many people lift here that's not what they ask that's one of be several questions they ask when they they sent out this american family reports thing annually not every ten years annually to selected households run united states it as exhaustive questions people continue to answer it is it i got that one time it just threw in the garbage 'cause it a done by the federal government yeah some but since bureau interesting i was not aware of the such a thing even existed oh yeah they've got a they've got they've got a deeper a questionnaire that they take and just do sort of polling data with you would think the deeper one would be every ten year one know no the deal the every ten ten year one is deeper in so much is they count every one of these tip to be american family saying is hey deep dive on demographic information so they'll you know say they pick one out of fifty americans one out of a hundred or one of the five hundred i don't know what the number is and they send these things out and presumably they get half of the back i dunno it's all information that you don't want the government had though i mean i've seen people arguing no i don't want anybody particularly they have the information and the government mainly uses this industry gives information away and that kind of thing to you know these this is the quality of ours a tax livestock is what say yeah we just we pointed out in the last hour and it's it's i think it's bad it bears repeating is is that all they're doing is counting their gold you are their gold they are counting on you to go work so that they can tax you next year and pay you know their debts or at least a portion of their debt enough of their debt the thinking may in a crew more debt by the way they're looking at increasing the debt ceiling again a september they're gonna have to do that well it's no surprise whatsoever i mean oh they ever did was bumped it up just a little bit just make it a few more years trump's budget hawk oh yeah sold that i mean that's what they say he's also gonna drain the swamp he's gonna build the wall he's gotta do all of these other things that for some bizarre reason his supporters want him to do i just don't see it timmy i'd love him to drain the swamp in a to you know be a budget hawk yeah i think you're better than some but i i'm not even sure he ever even claimed to be a budget hawk i know he claimed to drain the swamp obviously is gonna run efficiently at profit yeah he is not managed to do that how could you it's supposed to run a profit yeah it's supposed to be unprofitable by design that's why it's set up the way that it is what they'll tell you you need the government to do the things that are profitable yes i don't that's true it sounds like what what tasked do americans need to do that isn't worth paying them to do i would definitely say that if it needs to be done then there is profit in it and if there is no profit in it then it doesn't need to be done you might want to be done but if you needed to be done you'd be willing to pay someone to do it in which what these socialist guy had my on society worthy blah blah blah right capitalist once you've got asia where those own little imaginary society i understand i played that game many many times i play the video game i don't want it in the real world know that that's a bit too much megalomania for me you give me a little digital civilizations control over with that let us know what you think eight five five four five zero three seven three three that's eight five five four fifty free as in freedom don't you hate that feeling in the pit of your stomach when the police pull you over most people have no idea how to handle properly and they promptly get fed into the municipal fee generating meat grinder or maybe a recall that feeling you get when you go to the mailbox and see one or more letters from higher s you get a sense of impending doom don't you so let me ask you if you could learn how to use the law to beat d i r s traffic ticket there's credit card debt and even mortgage debt because 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priorities at the moment let's get right back into it we've got a taylor who's calling discord lines at discord dot l r n dot fm taylor you're on free talk live yes i wanna share and experience i was that disney world last me m a for basketball tournament yeah i know there's a us will be docked in here we went in the booth in going into their their sports area there's a little out there where you scan your card yet but you're fingerprint yup their company the car to open their cameras there also wow i would've never thought that at all that is right there just to get into yeah i actually i i remember the the fingerprint thing from she's it has to be an f b almost ten years ago that i went to disney world with my son and they were doing fingerprints then to i i i guess i'm surprised at disney world just grow in they're a their their machine yes so you you you really never know what they're doing i mean there's a camera there you don't know if they're linking you're you're purchase two you're fingerprint and you're you're hey you never know what they're doing everything they can with it i mean imagine absolutely i mean if you're collecting important data but we were taught in the the marketing business ten years ago was collect all the information you couldn't collect end it's your she gets to keep it once they give it to you voluntarily it's your is do what you want with it yeah so i just want to share that my parents not talking about being a police officer is it's a out of never thought that they had that it did but that's how it if you wanna go on their on their property you have to go right that yeah they're they're willing to yeah thank you for the call appreciate it they're willing to give up of a you know some small percentage of sales probably suppose some small fraction of a percentage of sales well i'm sure that you know it's being used relatively innocuous laid by disney which is one of the largest corporations in the united states right now as i understand it i mean they're absolutely massive but i'm sure as far as uses go it's probably more along the lines of okay this person went to this restaurant in eight this type of food and we can identify him because he had his picture you're taking when he first came in and now we've his face has been recognized on this video camera and we compared to what he's eating so we could we could send him additional q pause next year well impolite little will give you ten percent off if you eat at this restaurant come back to disneyland as a way of figuring out what you're interests are and don't forget the disney is one of the largest corporations in the world and it's growing it doesn't just don't disney owns lots of stuff yeah an is as they increase this their their marketing power with the new technology they're going to have more and more influence over your life i'm just taking a guess here but i think disney is going to be able to crush netflix in wow a very short period of time well it wasn't just disney though but netflix is certainly a it's waning at a large part of that is because most of the television shows and movies the people actually want to watch having steadman sectioned off onto their own networks if you want to watch you know show sitter featured on adult swim you have to sign up and pay for cartoon network's monthly service if you want shows that have reached on hp oh you have to watch h b o z if you wanna watch disney movies you have to sign up for disney streaming service right and and what's it gonna be like for amazon prime and netflix here in the next couple of years win star wars and marvel are ripped out from underneath them now i'm not saying that's gonna happen i thought he had already been ripped out from under netflix i dunno i mean i never even further i don't new netflix so i don't know i used an amazon prime a but i don't i'm not likely to watch star wars movie basically whatever love i had first star wars went away as marvel grew a point for me it's all about the marvel movies but i i just watch game it was it was awesome yeah it's a it's an awesome series and game was a very a member was quite an emotional rollercoaster for i can't wait for phase for to get flushed out i did get a chance to see a far from home and it was a great movie that's the smart spiderman movie for those who don't know okay yeah 'cause i didn't know all right i don't think anybody should know what i know about marvel movies i'm having to i'm happy to hear a continuation of these actors because for me it is largely about the actors i don't wanna see all of these people recast as they reboot the marvel series which has happened over and over again in comic book movies right there oh well it's time to use tobey maguire is spiderman and then a few years later oh we're gonna rebuild the entire thing batman has the same thing happened i would much rather see these these people portrayed by actress at i've come to know and love continue on developing their stories 'cause there's plenty of places they could still go sure i think marvel probably went a bit too high a bit too soon but then again they were twenty something movies into this at twenty three years something yeah it's a you know it i admit movies well the problem is you're gonna have more ironman movies but you can't have more robert downey junior but they won't be ironman movies well even in the comics iron man past v be a the suits onto a young woman named reread williams an oh don't don't tell don't don't say that on the internet today you'll be accused of pandering to women well i probably were how dare you cast a woman is iron man i hold hold on that it's not weird woman who lives in a woman of color fisher by iron woman a and i think she had some other terms that they moved over to a later but anyway you know she was interesting well i would love to see robert downey junior come back for the role but as i understand he has said that he's not coming to you 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record's so sometimes they have the sue them for like a okay no some marriage record's are not open to the public index to be marriages is open to the public in new york city and the hilarious thing is that starting july twenty fourth two thousand eleven same sex so called marriages became legal in the state the new york in the record's will not open to the public but they sued and they got heat index with all the names of the parties to the marriages end you know if somebody got a name robert and they got married so to speak to somebody named george that that does if people i hand that gee maybe they shouldn't be working in a catholic school a like that stuff like that so you know some of these a company's queers trying to be discreet and they thought everything was gonna be a high high end you know in confidential and they were trying to be hush hush welcomed the freedom i mean there may be some people out there who were like hey we should probably keep this information quiet because livelihoods demand we not be gay or whatever because we work of catholic schools but those are generally not going to be people who were getting married in front of you or state that makes it rutgers at these things this is an issue that is torn quaker dumb apart so there's to a gay marriage marriage in general gay marriage but you know sort of basically a f you in the friends united meeting and then fcc friends general a council i think end they they have different philosophies on this a gay marriage thing and then gays working for the organization and stuff like that and as a result torn asunder like they the group's just won't even speak to each other anymore you can't get any said the quakers had a little proper schism schism basically that's unfortunate because as you described quakers this up it's an idea that you know it's a revelation from god is an ongoing thing right and some people don't like other people's revelations yeah let me point out something else here in texas the marriage indexes the post on a state website give the names and ages and what county they got their license from the help narrow it down which john smith is which and and they put that all it's a couple of years are outdated a couple of years behind schedule but they put that on a state website end in indiana the supreme court gets the reports from the different counties but the marriage licenses and they put a search box the indiana supreme court website and it's just a matter of time before some blabber mouth calls up free talk live into over radio stations that are you know affiliates there in indiana like wcbs evansville and w i m as michigan city or the one hour during the week when w oh am i owensboro kentucky to be carrying free talk live they might go and tell all these indiana residents did they find that out i'm curious here on is it you you mentioned reclaimed represent just about marriage record's oh no it's any genealogy related record's that they feel should be public under the freedom of information laws of the different states and then the county clerks or the city clerk say oh no we're not gonna give you those you call it sometimes in defiance of state law and then they have this to them and sometimes they win and they get their legal fees are refunded to them because they won in a lawsuit like this were you do do you agree that 'em whether or not to people are married should be public information oh absolutely that's gonna be a perfect way to deter the queers from pursuing starts i'm transsexual right well that's your choice though so i think that you're trying to deter me from that choice i don't think the government should be involved in marriage at all or all of us actually agree but you know once once you petition once they large group of people petition the government for please please give us this extra little lives level of tyranny that you're giving the rest of the world then something else that the roseanne there are gonna be consequences in a florida when you're registered to vote you got a registered voter registration idee number then that out when you move to another county you're supposed to have you know the the same i florida voter number so that means that when when i george becomes janet an changes from being male to female but the same voter number applies that means people can look up comparing one month of voter lists with another they can a fine up perhaps thousands of these a trans a voters and then it's all public information that you know like two years ago the same voter i d number pertain to somebody point why do we wanna know so many genders changed why do you wanna know that information i say weird thing certainly 'em tom thank you so much for the call 'em in order to i i certainly a weird obsessions tom yeah they were weird it's weird what threw me off was it it was about reclaiming the record's yet he fixated entirely on gay marriage right but evidently you can reclaim several record's several types of rikers anyway but it's certainly problem had this sort of social security number system or voter registration number system whatever sits system it is if people can cross represent and go okay well this person used to be named bob but he's changed his name now to roberta just to jim or thomas or whatever and not even you know being transsexual are transgender or whatever terminology the left would like me to use just i don't wanna go by this name anymore i'm a new person i've i'm a buddhist now i want to change my name to this and they go oh but look here's you're old life here no it doesn't work that way where worthy internet detectives and we're gonna snoopy you out there you go it's problematic we shouldn't have these sort of registration systems whether they're ain't done at the county level the state level or the federal level yeah i really would ask the question is what does the government need all the information that they collect for like what gary thoughts for why do they even need to know you're married at all i don't care if you're heterosexual homosexual multi multi sexual i don't care yeah why do they need to know that you're married shouldn't they be treating married people in single people similarly like this is important yet the government mentorship supposed to provide justice and justice is supposed to be blind so why are these details said don't have anything whatsoever to do with the actual individual andy actions they may or may not take generally speaking because we could find criminal behavior among people who were single go people who were gay people who were straight people who are married it doesn't really matter they may exist in different quantities but that shouldn't matter to the government when it comes time to for law enforcement and law punishment but it seems to you know it's scary why would the government needs to know that your gay i've seen people arguing especially people among the left that we need national databases of people who are autistic or have some sort of other disability so that police know not to shoot those kids when they encounter them and things like that oh we could use facial recognition software in order to identify this like how do you not treat any history do you not really understand how this is gonna play out this is our well this is not gonna be good for the people with autism and for the people with disabilities it has never been good for them you're talking about basically making police aware as soon as they see someone making the government making the state aware as soon as they see someone oh he's gay yeah i think we'd be better if a just get some good training from police on how to handle situations as opposed to a modern understand what's going on here let's shoot him and if you don't think that happens you just gotta find out what happens people with epilepsy see when they're having a seizure and cops come along and think they're doing drugs in their car or 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i love it i got nothing better to do right so a superstar cars oh what did you call into well originally i was a fisherman up in alaska for a long time and i'll get to the point real quick 'em a lot of the you know pots now is the bering sea crowder right so a lot of the pots would pull up we'd get like foreign bags and like pollution just off the bottom of the ocean sure we get it all the time and it was never the uss litter right and they'll get to my point here in a second so you know were were were not think much of it back then and a so and it sounds like mark and i are close the same manage in so it was like you know or just fishing going wow these these countries india you know china russia i mean they just pollution throughout the whole bering sea well i mean my wife home score kids and just recently we got among the south my youngest a who say an it's got just fast information it ended up to date so this year they came out with this new episode on the south and it's got a bunch of scientists i think it's linked the nat geo but i'm not quite sure i walked in the middle of it after getting off of work and they were talking about a new discovery that most of are oxygen actually comes from me ocean and win the plankton dies on me ocean releases oxygen and then that works with the trees on our free shaw so the majority of oxygen in what we need eight is actually coming from the ocean then i started going wait a minute you know everything i saw in the bering sea you know and it can't be getting better right so well let's we know it's not there's the what they the the the garbage a spotter would have been a great garbage highly highlander yeah yeah yeah yeah it's mass index yeah i i'm like okay well were were kind of focused big surprise on the wrong things here you know if we were gonna focus in the government really goes up to snuff which they're never are as we all know you on this ball you know in in listening for most of us it's it's they're always behind the ball in so when i take a look at it how we suffering what's now oceans man you know it's like were killing herself through polluting the oceans not taking down trees not any the other stuff that we thought we were now will realize in its now that we just got the technology with the satellites to be able to scan areas and see worthy oxygen is being produced end that we know the right in their there are people inventors right now they're trying to figure out ways to clean up the garbage patch is what it's called a the great garbage patch end a you know it's not gonna be governments the figure this stuff out it's gonna be inventors they care about their v oceans so appreciate the call keep listening let's get right back into it but got westlake calling him recently moved to new hampshire wesley you're on free talk live hey how's it going so on i wanna ask mark on a king you pay in crypto currency am on a thing yes so further amplifier program you can play you can pay in btc a that's a 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looking at if you wanna living significantly more free economically free world if you've got a specific freedom but you want right like you wanna smoke pot or you wanna get gay married or you know you wanna do one of those things you look at this as political designations that allow those things happen you'll have a better life but if you wanna have each and nommik freedom it's difficult to find that location i think that as a young man i might be looking at southeast asia singapore places like this where my you know a bunch of simply my skill speaking english and being in american a will increase my pay but you know those things which you've gotta figure out for yourself as far as creating more liberty it's a tough question a lot of people have worked on it for a long time and had marginal two zero results yet other than crypto currency i'm not sure it can be achieved in our lifetimes i think they i think we need to continue spreading ideology in hoping for the best don't get me wrong not trying to pessimistic but i think they opportunity for actual liberty is going to come in centuries when we have the technology to colonize other stars other planets orbiting other stars like us how you phrase it because we we we will need the distance like if you were to set up a free market society here the united states they would actually be eight free society would be the economic powerhouse of the world within months and the united states the other states of the world are not going to just sit back and watch that happen because it rebuild their own system to be inferior i think they would immediately and i know that if you just sort of opened you open the door on an economically free play their economically free places in the world world right now 'em like for instance pitcairn island comes to mind their forty three people who are a citizens of these smallest off the british autonomous zone or whatever the hell it's called territory overseas territory something like that and they could at any point just say hey our were wrong country but they don't because they likely a the welfare that comes from britain but they're so remote they can't do trade you have friday it'll just trade to have prosperity and you have enough its fleet will end the proximity to other people that makes were free of the mixture economic freedom i would agree with that but we may not be able to get enough people onto an island or some designated area in order to actually have all of these chemists all of these scientist holiday factory workers at were going to need actually extract elements from the earth and build them into useful things but i think around the time of you know actually going out there in colonizing other planets which i realize sounds just totally crazy demos people but what they have to realize this humanity is only like a hundred thousand years old as society is we understand is only like seven to ten thousand years old state is probably nine thousand years old we are on our way to that point it is going to happen right and there is a war to stop chattel slavery in the united states only like a hundred and sixty years ago so the concept of people owning people at this point all we have to do is really just sort of explains the government organization people claim to own an once you could get people across that they're like oh wait they told me flavor is bad we're back tomorrow night but in the meantime head on over to freetalklive dot com do we have archives they're going back more than a decade so you know go check out eight five five four fifty free free talk live give us a call let us know what you think will be back at seven pm eastern standard tomorrow don't you hate that feeling in the pit of your stomach when the police pull you over most people have no idea how to handle it properly and they promptly get fed into the municipal fee generating meat grinder or maybe recall that feeling you get when you go to the mailbox and see one more 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eighties he played fifteen thousand yards in three consecutive seasons and of course inducted into the pro football all the things you know damn when you have a quiet moment and have a chance to reflect on you're career what is it that makes you most happy about that career while there were so many highlights in so many great players it i played with and of course i think they a lot of the credit belongs to don corey l and how he shaped are often so he may be the quarterback that i was and and it wasn't for him you know we would have had that success the game wouldn't be the way it's played today either when you go back and think about growing up in san francisco you're dad was a sportscaster for the forty niners you were a ball boy for the forty niners at what age did you understand what you're dead did for a living is pretty early because expose me to a i going out to training camp with him at a young age and spending a lotta time with the forty niners over there in moraga at saint mary's college and then you got to be a ball boy also get the keep stats for and so it was a you know as exposed at an early age and it really thankful for it because it really i gave me a path in life that i that i want to choose you know being able to see that up close and personal what images did you have a professional football player well you know that they were really human beings because i saw them in the locker room when they're you know all beat up after a ball game in a you know some of them would be very upset that they lost her you know just the whole gamut of emotions that a pro football player goes through and see what they you know how they interacted with each other in the front of the hat and a just a you know they were grown men planning a kids game and that appeal to me you broadcaster cbs yes of course so you could see the nfl weekend and week out and when you think about how that game was played back in those days when you were a kid and even as you were growing up and tagging along with you're dead is there something that sticks out to you about the way the game was played dennis compared now but it was a different game there's no question it was much more physical a lot more running a two backs fullback and a half back and really a classic a the lombardi sweet green bay sweeping and things like that but a when i was the you know i think fans really enjoyed watching you know white kennel throwing the bomb the a r c o and then john brody after that and a throwing passes today parks in clifton mcneil and a you know i think did a a that part of the game oh he's appealed to the fans because they were a bit of suspense there with the ball would be caught whether it be mr whether it be intercepted so i you know all those things a went into the excitement of the game and and that's why the game so exciting now is a kid from california end up i really enjoyed my time in eugene and i love the state of oregon i reside there now and you'd have a tough time getting me out of here yeah you know it's a pack eight back when you were playing as well and i don't know many people knew anything about west coast football because you know a lot of people in the east coast or in the mid west didn't get a chance see so much were you guys hidden away not only in oregon but just the conferences well i think you know it was fc basically they got most of the attention because of their great program with john mckay k and then stamford a you know and plunkett was there got them to the rose bowl and follow that up with don bunches their quarterback the next year so a you know a lot of the people back east only saw they pack eight a on on a new year's day and peration of the television coverage people get to see you know only west coast football but every football you must have been happy about getting even though it was in the third round by the san diego chargers what would you react to that well i i was a i knew nothing about the chargers to be honest with you i i knew they were american football league team and they had this great land saw worth and john hey handle so i yeah i really a throw just to be part of the national football league born anything well is there a different attitude if you were with one of those nfl franchises a that played type of football as compared the traditional nfl new york giants washington redskin teams there because certainly the chargers had that image of being just a wide open let it rip type of team yeah and that's that's what they're excited me to hoping the kerry that tradition on it wasn't until it's done corio got there though in my six year that were that were able to do that but now you're you're right i mean the american football league a lot of pride in a lot of talent i mean it only took three super bowls to win a super bowl and then they won two in row when the chiefs beat the minnesota vikings after the jets beat the colts so you know the the style of play you know i i go back to when said gilman in the chargers won the nineteen sixty three american football league championship will said challenge george house in the you know the nfl champion chicago bears to a game at of course house declined a in so it said gilman did for each player the championship team of the american football league is on their rings he put world champions so that shows the attitude of american football like at the time air korea was the name of your offense and the team kind of picked up the name is well what was it the don did there were so differently than before he got well the thing that korea did is he looked at his personnel in he saw athletes they could do more than one thing like a tight end like when so it sure he could put his hand on the ground and blocked the strong side linebacker but he could also lined up outside as a wide receiver or wing back a he could even throw the ball we had winds will throw the ball at times a from from the flanker position so i think the korea's as a courage in throwing the ball and the number of innovations that he brought to the game a in contributions including on the defensive side of the ball when you have to try to stop us you had he is five and six defensive backs and before that nobody had heard of a nickel defense abakar dime defensive back dan fouts hall of fame quarterback is with those were talking about is like the end career as well an and i'm just wondering did you call your own plays back then was that during a period of time with a quarterback did that or were they being sent into well they were being sent in but a lotta times there were a lot of check with me is where you get to the line of scrimmage and you you notice that a well maybe the defense is weaker over here so you a check to another play but i have faith in my a defensive coordinators when you know you got guys like joe gives and earnings have busy helping you achieve assistant coach down there at san diego is well in that all fence you were not a mobile quarterback i think everybody would you would probably agree with that but you through the deep pass a bill walsh one set about you dan fouts headache cool steel like nerve and courage he took a lot of beatings a lot of pounding but continued to play hurt or otherwise he played more physical football than anybody on this team including the linebackers that says an awful lot about you tough this damn well better says about my mobility or lack of tell me a little bit about bills influence on you well when bill got my fourth year in san diego we'd had three offensive coordinators in my first three years so a but he was really a the guru me knew so much about the passing game about playing quarterback and the timing between the quarterbacks drops in receiver's sievers crowds and he built my game up from the floor in a really gave me a foundation of had a great defenses and how to deliver the ball and in all the things that he's taught all his great quarterbacks quarterback said i was lucky enough to be there with him for one year but it would would he did a really set the stage and helped me win korea got san diego is one of the things korea did as he saw a number of things that we did with bill walsh's offense and he he knew that i liked those things so he kept him in his office so we we would change the name of the of certain players but the concepts would be the same and that was really important to me because i knew how good bills training was in his teaching it mashed so well with correal's i know he told me one time he said the best two quarterbacks ever had and i really thought he'd probably say a joe montana any thought a lot of joe montana but great cook who is with him at cincinnati and dan fouts sandiego go what did he have basically a as an attitude to the quarterback position well it was a you know you have to be smart number one you had to be able to figure out a reading defenses and and a trusting receivers and in just a small things about a you know this step here and that step there how to escape the russian you know when you think of the quarterback city had i mean a great cook if he never had gotten hurt nobody would've ever heard of kenny anderson and belongs probably would've never left cincinnati and you wouldn't have heard of dan fouts may maybe not even joe montana and steve young a i mean that's how the dominoes fell for bill but when you think of the you know the fact he had three three hall of famers a in and potentially you know kenny anderson deserves his shot at the hall of fame and greg cook we all agree all all of us that have played for build a great cook was the finest of all bounces with this will take a quick break hall fame quarterback fifteen seasons in the nfl all of those in the san diego chargers uniform and he had some great receivers will talk about that as we continue with more of you in sports by it has been said that everyone has a book booking awesome but you have the time or the ability to 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