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How to move forward with China
"To fourteen point list of grievances via the australian media. Second wine joined beef. Bali timber lobster call among our exports that the chinese communist party has imposed tariffs on. And then that tweet. This is the tweet of the posting of a digitally altered of an australian soldier about to slit the throat of an afghan child. The chinese embassy issuing a bellicose statement the rage in roar of some ustralian politicians and media was misreading and reaction. It said to deflect public attention from the horrible atrocities by sickness soldiers and to blame china for the worsening of bilateral ties. So what's going on. He and asha camera respond. Jeff rabi is a former australian ambassador to the people's republic of china and he's author of china's grand strategy and australia's feature in the new global order. That's just been published and it's available in all good bookstores jeff. Welcome back to the show so some great to be back now. I your thoughts about beijing's response to australia in recent weeks so we have that list of the foreign complaints the wind terrace and of course that tweet while a say i up disappointing to see the slights that have been made After the two quite constructive comments at the triumph prime minister a last week quite clearly. The prime minister was Diplomatically signaling That there was a strong wish to start a process of getting back to some sort of more normal relationship between the two countries the product make though it sounds dramatic when you run those three things together the way you have done that certainly not the same thing. And i'm not sure that they're all necessarily coordinated. I mean the fourteen points clearly seems to be freelancing by the embassy on matters that well known and in the public record in any case at a very odd way of putting something out if you leak it to a channel nine television crew that seems to be pretty casual behavior by the embassy then the tariff spo there has been a processing trained for months on the wind tariffs and i do understand that that was the normal process and the strain companies were busily making written submissions as part of that process. And then the tweet The present time it sounds like it's been contrived by the chinese foreign ministry as individual action. it was a tweet that was particularly widely on social media by a now nationalist artist and twitter and the foreign ministry spokesperson on his private twitter account. Pinder to name and so it's philippine. Middle level action doesn't really look to millions of any of these really coordinated broad cross section of the australian people just looking at the y. People who've responded this week is there is outrage and surely win china. does things like. This doesn't make it harder for people like you because you've been an eminent company on this issue for several years now. Hugh watt a bobcar. Pass gas on this program. Of course the former prime minister paul keating. Doesn't it make it hot. A all of you to make the case that al leaders should try to rebuild trust with such a regime yet. I can understand the public outrage especially the media is going into overdrive steer and just as you have said running all these things together as a coordinated action from the state It does make it harder to get sensible constructive discussion going a story about how we deal with these things. I like to find myself in such august company as you outlined. And you might add gareth evans. Many others that to the group as well but it certainly history doesn't help and it's difficult context in which to conduct foreign policy. What we're seeing is what is like to live in the situation with china relationships In a very poor state now. Other people in camera that i see welcome this their peopling camera who have the view that bad relations with china are inevitable. This is the new normal. We should get used to it and lupus it while the questioning myself. And the august company you've being linking me with. Is this the best interest of australia. And it also basic question. Your what has australia down to bring on china's in this way why you think china is picking on again. Picking on is quite pejorative. They're not doing this to other states. Our other key point. And i would phrase that differently tom i would say how is it that astray amongst like minded friends and allies other liberal democracies in the world in the region why's at the trial has become an outlaw and i think that really needs to be part of the public discussion. Isn't the reason. The australia is so over exposed to chinese pressure in beijing. Nosy so the chinese leaders going to inflict pain on australia whenever they can't australia. And not the other like minded way boy more. In other countries we ought to forty percent of our exports to china. No other country has that kind of exposure. I prefer countries in the region. China is by far the largest trading power. I mean that exposure would be the same for korea south korea which is liberal democracy in the region. it would be near that level. For nearly all the countries in the east asian region china is the dominant economic patna of all of the countries in the region and that is just a fact at its reflects. The extent to which china has grown as the dominant economic power in east asia. Alexander downer. The former. Foreign minister says that now's the time to reduce our exposure to china. But what everyone is saying. There's nothing new novel in that. And obviously when people start to realize that we are going to have for a long time a difficult and challenging relationship with china's manage. That's a fairly obvious. Point to make interesting from In addition to being former minister former director of the board of while clay. And very active Proponent in boosting. Australia china trade relations phrase time as soon as minister and i work very closely with him in that and i think we achieved a lot. So why wouldn't you wanna diversify every sensible business. Every sensible company diversifies the port made over and over again on this aspect is that it's going to be very hard. Because of the absolute scale and growth and prosperity of china. You are a foreign policy realist. All gripe house ruthless and that includes chana hardball at every turn and the stronger. China gets the more likely to throw its wide around now to the extent. These realist analysis is correct. How on earth do we solve. this problem. absolutely correct agree with all those points. Another point that needs to be made. And you don't make it much tom. And your pride yourself as being a realist and that is the relationship is asymmetrical that is effect. We need china. More than china needs us. This is not a comfortable place for us to be but it's a place we are. It's a place where we're stack and will remain and so We need to work out how to manage that relationship and we haven't done a particularly good job of a judging by the state rewritten today. So although you express yourself in a different way you essentially gray with the foreign policy realists professor join me shauna regular guest on this program and he argues that his china's power increases its definition of its national interests will grow and then beijing will seek a survey influence in areas on which its future security and prosperity dependent in response. The us will go to great lengths to stop china's rises. It essentially. your argument is well up a poet. I'm a great Admire of joint mish as well. I differ with him on a couple of points but his analysis and arguments have been hugely influential in helping me shape my thinking about these But i put on sphere of influence is. I think that's already happened. I think china is the dominant paranagua this at length in my book in eurasia from the east china sea to also china is the dominant parent. That's happened largely because sanctions against russia poor economic performance by russia Pushback from from europe against russia has meant that brushes had to cede to china's ascendancy in eurasia and so very part of the world. And i think we now live in a world of michigan talks about a world of two great powers with boundary orders and in the question then becomes is some equilibrium at stable between the two. And i believe there is.
"alexander downer" Discussed on Between The Lines
"In camera on Iran. This is between the lines with Tom. Switzerland will moving on from the economics of recovery to how we do with China now Beijing delay in informing the world about the virus. It suppression of Whistle Blows and a lack of transparency. That's angered many in particular. It's inflaming tensions with Washington this week. Scott Morrison call for an independent inquiry into China's handling of the virus which made the Chinese Ambassador in Canberra hit back with rates economic boycotts against US tensions arising. So what do we do? We hitting into. Perhaps a worst ever recision was still highly dependent on our exports to China head. Can we push back. Well Alexander Downer. He's Australia's longest serving minister of foreign affairs. You in the job. The best part of dozen years is the Howie's from early ninety six to light two thousand seven now. Of course this was an era that supercharge our trade relationship with China it brought us the mining boom and enormous prosperity to the country but Alexander down. Viewing China is shifting and he joins us now Alexander. Walk back to between the lines. Thanks Thomas a pleasure knowing your eye AFA column. Recently you demanded that China be held accountable for its role in the pandemic. Does that mean you agree with President Trump? Who suggested that the US will make China Pie substantial compensation for economic damages caused by the virus? No I don't agree with that. I don't think we should be chasing compensation from anybody. I think that should be is a genuinely independent investigation into what has happened here. Daddy's water is the source of this forest. We just don't want to see it happen again. And the problem for China is the SAWS VIRUS STARTING ONE. Dong and had I not a huge number of people were killed but in this case the global economy has been brought to a halt to. What is it two hundred thousand people dead this result but the truth is we've got to investigate it and we've got to find out how it happened. I'm very Chinese. Should be resistant to getting to the heart of what happened with. There's no suggestion that the release was deliberate. What kind of investigations should they be? Well I think because of the way the world works it should be led by the world health organizations it should include epidemiologists another scientists from a variety of different countries including but not exclusively Western countries and obviously people from China and It should it should be wide ranging. It needs to try to establish how this happen. North not to investigate the behavior of the Chinese government. I'd I'd think fat is GonNa be very politic but to investigate a houses. How virus breakout washes the coals of this virus? That is waiting. Needs to investigate. And that's what we need to understand so we never see it happen again. The prime minister has suggested something along the lines of. Un weapons inspectors. I mean is that favorable given China would have to grant access to Wuhan well. I don't know what China's problem is the behavior of the Chinese investor in cameras almost unprecedented dominate. Not since the days of the Soviet Union of I've seen them Bassett behave in such a reckless and un-diplomatic way. And what is the problem? I mean the prime minister has just said that it should be an investigation. The Chinese ambassadors reaction is as the China has been you know Conan told it's guilty so I think that should be an investigation led by the World Health Organization but it has deemed partial it has to be factual it has to be son to fake and then we can look at the material that the investigation has established and on the basis of that might decisions laughing. She s the Chinese government doesn't want to see this happen again. Notice the rest of the world Such investigation could be very helpful. I ca how much leverage do we. How much how much leverage do we have them? I mean the Chinese ambassador. You mentioned him. He threatened a consumer boycott of Of our products like what beef one even university courses now at a time when we're hitting into our worst ever recession got a third of our exports still going to China to that kind of economic coercion. More than any point now history. I mean how can we stand up to that? Well his comments as I say reminiscent of the way the Soviet Union used to talk during the call. We never have a relationship with Moscow. I did we know we didn't on the other hand win on gun to be bullied by an ambassador. Who's gone rogue? I mean it in the end in the end what we I is right. There should be an impartial international investigation. Into what has happened. They can of course decide that they want to import anything from anywhere around the world and given that their economy has of course some suffered as a result of the KARENNA prices and their economy was tougher even more. I mean it's completely absurd proposition. This is suggesting then. We can't return to business as usual with China. Well I think largely we will return to business as usual with China. Renson potent export market forest. Some I'm happy to see Chinese students studying in Australia I have no problems with any of that And it's in China's interest that import the role materials. That drive the Chinese economy from Stralia. Recall is taken decide. They don't want to import them from. Where are they going to get them? Throw them and at what price. It's not as though China has all that many choices so I think largely things overturned was they were Alexander Downer Australia's longest serving foreign minister familly ninety six to light two thousand seven Alexander the Health Minister Greg Hunt. One of your former staffers. He held a press conference. This with mining magnate Andrew Forrest announcing the distribution of some PPA g the twiggy had secured from Beijing. And then the press conference was hijacked by Chinese official who started praising China's response e can't make this stuff up. What do you make of all that? This is the practice of Chinese officials. I was at a conference in London. Recently when we were talking about China and there was an official from the Chinese embassy there who stood up at the end and tried to take over the mating. Eventually the mating decided to close down low. They've got to work with the rest of the world. Don't work against the rest of the world. Yes they are richer. They are more powerful than they have been than that not relatively speaking but in absolute terms the naive ever been before but this is no excuse to get the rest of the world. Offside that it should be working with the West working with them on the science. The epidemiology not getting into some sort of nineteen fifties nineteen sixties soviet-style rhetoric Anti Western behavior. It's terribly damaging to China. In the end it will not work for them. It will not work for them because China is strong its strength is nothing compared to the strength of the West and getting the Western economies in Western leadership offside allowing this whole concept of the rise of China being a threat to America in the West. It's never ultimately onto being China's interest to pursue that sort of diplomacy and. They've started to do that over the last few years and I very much regretted marquesses. Alexander Downer Alexander. Let's talk a bit about the evolution of your thinking on China because Oculus rift political off. You joined the board of the Chinese till Communications Joint Y Y. This was in Australia in twenty eleven year blasted the Gillard government when they banned Y Y from the NBA enroll out. This would have green light twenty eleven which they followed intelligence reports on wise possible connection to Chinese cyberattacks attacks against Australia. Now at the time you say those accusations were quote completely. Absurd and a result of paranoia and sauna phobia with the benefit of hindsight. Do you regret those means. Now I don I think The early decisions in relation to file away were were wrong. I mean I I course doug no everything didn't know everything that went on within Wa wa and couldn't possibly have known the details from their relationship with the government in Beijing But miles vacations were that it was pretty much a commercial operation. wasn't anything other than the commercial operation. When I was on the Australian while weighs seventy percent of Weiwei's business was outside of China so they couldn't afford to be saying outside of China is just an of Chinese intelligence and that would of course never gets any work in Australia. If that was that was the reality of their role however I don't think while away by the way his change but I think China has changed. I think the China that that how it government dealt with the Johnson and her Jin Towel was a very different China From China where dealing with now with teaching paying and I just don't see a lot of analysis of this but I think China has become much more assertive much more aggressive and is positioning itself in juxtaposition to the West. Which wasn't something that I'm Johnson. Age Towel a promoted as a as an aspect to Chinese foreign policy. I think that that's a huge difference And they know everything from the in their intelligence operations they Role they play in in Cyber Aggression. Through to what we say over this corona virus issue. I'm on the way. They reacted to perfectly reasonable coals for an international investigation. This is reflecting a very different Chinese leadership from the leadership that I dealt with as the foreign minister in and in the years immediately after that as Graham. Allison the American Academic Harvard would would would point through the city's tremendous cheese Way You have a rising power and you have status quo POWs in particular the United States. That is key allies as well to you by Franz German. The strike career Japan these relationships have to work reasonably harmoniously. And and I have done really. I think a succession of American presidents has handled the Chinese relationship pretty well. President Clinton President Bush President Obama. They all did a pretty good job. President trump not too bad is managing the China relationship. But I think the problem is that China has changed. China has become a great deal more aggressive if you just take a The South China Sea Commitments made by Xi Jingping not militarize the the race in the China Sea. And I have militarized them. He said they wouldn't and they have and they've been extremely aggressive towards the Philippines Vietnam intonation seeing on this program over the last few years Alexander. We've had people Stephen Fitzgerald L. First Ambassador Communist China Geoff Raby among others and they'll say that What China's doing in the South China seas just what all Rausing Gripe Powell's do that as their as their power increases. The definition of national interests grows and just as America did the same thing in Latin America so John is doing the South China Sea. What's the big difference if they think? Because they're arising how they can throw their weight around more without coming into conflict with other countries they need to rethink their strategy and racing. Cosmo Catholics. Certainly we should give China. I'm greatest spice other name. Physical space but diplomatic space. Them was the case in the past. We should settling do that. Because of it's some it's economic and political significance in the world today. But that doesn't mean that China should arrogantly disregard the views of other countries and in particular those powerful countries in the neighborhood because arrogantly to disregards abuses lies countries in the end encourage tensions with US countries And that will be nobody's interests. I migration Larry about China has been in the last four or five years the increase in China's aggression and disregard the sensitivities of other countries as its power rises. I think it's quite concerned Alexander. We can keep going. It's time to wrap it up. Thanks so much for being on Iran again. That's always a pleasure tone Alexander Downer. He's Australia's longest serving foreign minister and former high.
"alexander downer" Discussed on 760 KFMB Radio
"About me if you know me you don't know me want to know more about the want to avoid me then of quite a common with that they all right so before the break I was telling about this may tenth may eleventh meeting between Papadopoulos and down ladies and gentlemen this is the meeting on may tenth were Papadopoulos's trump campaign low level guide meets with Alexander Downer in a in a London bar and that according to the F. B. I.'s official stories where this whole sham fake investigation or trying to cover up with this impeachment nonsense that's where the whole thing started I'm telling you that's not true I just went through how footnote four sixty one in the inspector general's own report seems to indicate that the FBI story that they're started this because a Papadopoulos in the tip they only heard about July keep that mine is it true the footnote says that they were talking to some source paid for by the DNC in late July but that's not possible we get a nod because UPS already told us they didn't get the information the steel that Seattle September night people folks I don't think that's true they just don't want you to think that Hillary hijacked the justice department and the FBI paid for a dossier credit to the mid July which is what happened to that information and that's what started the investigation so they bid state we've got a story and where's stick into a Jack no it's the Downer tip well guys if the donor yeah right you guys said you didn't hear about it till mid July right that's what started your July thirty first crossfire hurricane case Mister producer I need you to be the buzz when here this may get a little complicated but it is important you understand this if the meeting that started this happened on may tenth and you're saying you didn't hear about until July why would someone lie about that as miss skill feather god rest your soul my fifth grade teacher at St Pancras used to say put your thinking caps on boys and girls I'm telling you the FBI started this case because Hillary hijacked the justice department paid for a dossier which you suckers at the top of the FBI fell for hook line and sinker they don't want you to believe that they want you to believe that the may meeting all were no no no we heard about it in July and that's why we open up on July thirty first spying operation attractive but what if that story wasn't true don't you find it off we are the in the IG report the I. G. only goes back and looks at the emails to may thirty first again all you investigators out there and basically people that I. Q. above seventy one point six are saying well that doesn't make sense if the I. G.'s investigating this whole Spygate scandal and the downturn meeting happens on may tenth Y. C. I G. only looking F. B. I. emails to may thirty first ladies over because they don't want to find things I'm one of the things they don't want to find I've already found for you well that's just me active to my sources out there you know you are putting my body to seven nine the real two seven nine is a fascinating packs Mr producer from may eleventh between Lisa page FBI lawyer and her boyfriend Peter stroke was the lead investigator on the crossfire hurricane spying operation against the trump campaign now this tax is fascinating because it's the day after the Papadopoulos down meeting that the FBI has already told us they didn't hear about till July I don't know July we opened up in July because of the step what what are the tax thing about on may eleventh let me read to you these tax something happens late at night these are late night tax okay this is after Bork hours their taxi chiller and either talking about anti the Indy became talks to John George better urgency yes I spoke to David can explain later tried to communicate the same thing to him got a we're waiting on the next version the affidavit from you I'm certain there are things you can gather getting crap okay so I may eleventh the day after the down a meeting agent stroke of texting each other feverishly about some information an affidavit that they need to prep on the day after the down I mean they say they haven't heard about the July this one the deputy directors calling state now talk with the state department the state department we call this the the part about she says pool want to hear about it you already talked to its redacted state department you know and if you've done some investigation on this case like I have in my books I've written two books on this Spygate exonerated many of you read them you have and it's a pretty detailed account of the biggest scandal in American history you know most of this but the IG reports telling he doesn't want to go back and read the emails on that date what would a texting each other about who will be a little wrinkle that may explain this for you the very next day after the may tenth Papadopoulos Downer meeting which is the B. S. cover story when they started spying on the trump campaign the very next day the Australian embassy sends a cable an official cable thank cable is about the Papadopoulos meeting are you telling me with a straight face that the US state department didn't know what was in that cable and that our central intelligence agencies in a five ice partner Australia a friendly United States cover that shares into what is supposedly has information about what they believe they according to their legend is a big scandal between the Russians and the trump campaign they said that official cable on it and no one in the state department the CIA or the FBI gets access to it and conveniently the very next day after that the two FBI investigators with the F. B. I. vested in a lawyer our techs each other about some affidavit and they're prepping things and how the deputy directors on the phone with the state department at what do you think they're talking about we talk about sushi spring rolls talking about okay Shami sandwich from cats what the late at night about this a big scuttlebutt the gentleman again if you've been investigating this case from the start I think it's pretty obvious what likely happened here they got information from that cable thank cable which was sent by the Australian embassy to their own people they got information as Papadopoulos meeting the next day they're preparing a bunch of information they probably want to get a warrant a FISA warrant upon Papadopoulos and it turns out when they get the actual context what was said at the meeting about allegedly the Russians helping us they realize it's probably a lot of garbage they go for the files and they probably get slapped in the face by their own internal people in the FBI so what do they say nothing they sit on it how do we know they sat on it because ladies and gentlemen nothing happened to Papadopoulos he wasn't even interview till the following January it's may of twenty sixteen even interview until January so if this is the tip that started it all then why didn't they do anything because they didn't have anything so they sat on it you say okay I'm confused then why lie and say you didn't hear about the doubters because the official stories he only heard about the jet down or tip in July ladies and gentlemen that's a lie it's just another in a long series of lies the FBI case was obviously opened up because of steals information which was the bomb after the fact after the fact think retroactively after the FBI finds out trump one finds out they've been involved in a spying operation based on false information after that they have to retcon the story they have to re write the script to make it seem like they were investigating truck for something with Jeremy so they say to themselves in the office they probably say I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm just in it for the sake of brevity I'm trying to summarize what the conversation look like they probably say okay well we can't tell them we were using the dossier folks so let's just tell the public we were spying on that because a foreign government Australia reached out about the Papadopoulos someone probably says a Andy Kim okay call me we got a problem we heard about that tipped the day after it happened on may eleventh and we didn't do anything with it we sat on that's just how the public we heard about it in July they'll never now I guess never thinking we would see these tax ed awfully suspicious that Michael Horowitz the inspector general of this team only got emails too much back to go back to may thirty first not may eleventh which would be the day the FBI likely heard about the down or tip despite saying they heard about July and that's why they opened up the case if if this is bothersome stuff to you if you're listening going I can't believe this happened it happened I assure you it happened now to be fair to the players involved in like the liberal buffoons who are never fair to conservatives there is speculation that this tax are suspicious it seems awfully odd that a cable was sent on may tenth about this huge meeting UP I thought was a big deal Papadopoulos down they don't hear about socializing can say those talks could be about something else but given the likelihood and given the probability of the FBI telling the truth on this case which has been slim to none because they've lied about just about everything I'm going to give the benefit of the doubt to myself in the investigation say I'd seems kind of strange they don't want you to know that they knew about the down meeting on may eleventh because they sat on it and did nothing their official version of events it was such a big deal when they found out about a July they started spying on the trip to you hear about until I heard about it made you do if you guys don't tell anybody that all right I got more got the insurance policy we still haven't gotten to that yet what the insurance policy was and this is probably the most disgusting part of this whole scandal Asian summit gets believe it or not it actually gets worse I do I promise I will take some of your calls to hold eight seven seven three eight one three eight one one I'm there but you know we'll be right back van.
Trump pressed Australian PM for help over Mueller probe
"And I wanted to bring up potential quid pro quo speaking of this in the Australia matter her. I haven't heard anything about this in the mainstream media but I wanted to note to note the time line of events in the call trump made to Australia's prime minister regarding the investigation into the origins of the Mueller or investigation. This is part of his attempt to disprove. Russia hacked the United States so he can get sanctions lifted so now we know trump called the Australian prime minister Morrison on May eighteenth TNT TNT and he called to discuss having them help bar investigate what happened with Alexander Downer and the popadopoulos thing and Popadopoulos is reporting porting or at Alexander Downer's reporting to our intelligence agencies that he'd been told by Popadopoulos that he had a line on Hillary's emails from Mifsud is professor from Cambridge. We also know that on May Twenty Eighth Ambassador Joe Hockey wrote a letter to bill bar offering assistance in the matter a copy of which was sent into the White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney by the way acting chief of staff just put acting in front of it also said his letter Joe Hockey's letter to the White House Acting White House chief of staff and Bill Bar said while Alexander Downer is no longer employed by the government we stand ready to provide you with all the relevant information to support your inquiries and that very weak and this is the interesting part there were reports that trump considered placing trade tariffs on Australian aluminum which under a deal struck by trump and the former former prime administer in two thousand eighteen they'd been exempt up to up to them to this on the steel and aluminum tariffs trump also did not deny the reporting the prime minister did not deny the reporting but he downplayed it reporting from the New York Times instead the US decided against making any changes that week to the arrangement and kept Australian aluminum and steel exempt trump from tariffs and we've learned that the conversation between Morrison and trump was also hidden in the codeword classified system trump's been using to escape scrutiny of political harmful phone calls and meetings but we still don't have any confirmation that the tariffs were held off in exchange for assistance with the investigation into the Muller pro but I'm going to put some beans on it.
Trump pressed Australia to help investigate Russia probe origin
"We're learning from the new york times that trump called the australian prime minister in recent weeks and asked them to help bill bar in his ongoing investigation into into the oranges of the muller probe we say oranges because that's how trump pronounces origins and that was apparently the only purpose of the call presumably he's asking australia because that's where the whole thing effectively began with when alexander downer ran into popadopoulos and then he called our FBI a few months later when the whole emails on dirt on hillary thing came out and he goes you know weird i was talking to a guy and so i think he's down there trying to discredit that so two things here it it seems as though trump knows though publicly denies that the beginning of the muller probe was when australia called our FBI and told him about pablo dot popping off about hillary dirt in a london pub saying that way so i i it seems trump knows that's where it originated even though that's not his talking point trump would rather have you believe that the steele dossier and pfizer warrants hillary and ukraine and whatever we're what kicked off crossfire hurricane or peter stock or the molar the probe but the time line makes no sense so he's out looking for a way to discredit the actual oranges of the investigation he's doing this i think with barin pompeo in italy who who i believe are there to look into mifsud but that's conjecture and it's really funny that i wrote that in the script because news broke shortly the after that confirmed that conjecture so it was conjectured but we were right and jordan you had said that too in that conversation we have we'll go over that and a little bit because that's a whole other bombshell that dropped today but this lines up with you know trump asking ukraine to look into the DNC hack in crowd strike and another thing that this whole australia thing tells me is that trump and the what's the guy's name who's investigating the investigation is the connecticut US attorney talking about right durham that's it durham not a for the life of me remember that it's durham so trump in durham who are we're conducting the investigation into the mueller investigation they have nothing i think it's if he's calling australia and sending people to italy and ukraine to track backdown conspiracy theories or debunk actual he's literally got nothing yeah why can't they send an email i have to tell him person probably because we're watching watching every communication he has now totally travelling in person is the new ellipses of corruption
"alexander downer" Discussed on Newsradio 970 WFLA
"Fake niece of Vladimir Putin, which this multi is professor introduced me to and they think tank analysts in Russia, then certainly minor actions with western intelligence officials western diplomats who encountered me an incredibly suspicious circumstances, including stuffing helper, definitely needs to be, you know, discussed at the congressional level. Because I don't think my story should simply be, you know, quantified as meeting the small tease professor he tells me this information, and that's what George popadopoulos was doing. My story is much larger than that. And in substance and in scope, and I think are the American public deserves to know be truth. Do you do you believe you were set up? In. What sounds exactly unle- believe that Alexander Downer was studying the up for something? I don't know. What's? But what about how part? Well helper obviously, it's public that. He was setting me up for something. I don't know what he was doing exactly. But it's public knowledge that he was part of some operations in London, which I believe the British had to be part of because why why would this operation be targeted against me of London. If the British were not aware of it, and I'll tell you another fact the same day that I met stuffing helper London, the British ministry of foreign affairs invited me to tour their offices and to meet with their diplomats unless they were completely aloof as to what was going on in London the same day stuff and helper was interacting with me. Then I think it makes no sense. Right. Quick break. We'll come back more with George popadopoulos on the other side. Hey, the best built safe on the planet is a liberty safe. I know because long before they ever advertised on this program. I did my own research by far liberty is the best safe ever built ever? I mean, it's that good. And if you wanna protect your. Firearms. Your valuables. Your important papers, you need a liberty safe. For example. Libertysafe gives you fast access, if you have a handgun put it right next to your desk, or wherever you sleeping, and and literally have a fingerprint opening, which means nobody else can get any access to that firearm, especially with the kids in the house and owning a liberty safe has never been easier. Twelve months interest free financing on approved credit fast, application, quick approval. Millions of us now own liberty safes American-made safes and it has a ninety eight percent customer satisfaction rating. You can check them out online at liberty safe dot com or you can check out their dealer locator. Find the dealer closest to you and go see yourself in person. You do need a liberty safe. All of us have important papers and documents, many of us have firearms. You want to be responsible? Liberty safe dot com. That's liberty safe dot com. This is the Sean Hannity show. Still waiting to fly all those leads who leave? Were relaxed jet is ready. This is the Sean Hannity show nine seventy W F A dot com. Listen anytime. Like,.
"alexander downer" Discussed on KARN 102.9
"Hell are you asking that there's no evidence trump's done anything there's not a shred of evidence trump's done anything the only reason pardons are in a news is because trump's pardoning people left is irritated by that's the only reason pardons pardons are not in the news because trump has has been found guilty of anything there's no evidence lincoln trump to any of these baseless senseless charges that they've made up and drummed up by the way there is now a digital information about the australian embassador in george popadopoulos you know what it is popadopoulos wasn't drunk popadopoulos only had one drink the source is alexander downer the australian ambassador who answered a question in an interview in an australian newspaper this entire story the fbi presented to the new york times is the reason for the investigation commencing july thirty first two thousand sixteen has fallen apart the steele dossier as the explanation for the investigation beginning has fallen apart and now the popadopoulos angle has totally fallen apart in this story involving popadopoulos is nothing nothing like the original report published by the new york times which was sourced to the ever present anonymous sources the whole thing is falling there is no evidence of any i don't know why rudy answered this because the question that stephanopoulos asked was intended to be interpreted exactly this way quote so when the president is found to obstructed or colluded do you think you'll pardon himself can he that was the way stephanopoulos intended the media to interpret the question and they have that's the way he intended the low information voter to interpret the question if they bothered to pay attention the whole point of asking the question is to establish the atmospheric that trump has done something with profound enough guilt that pardoning himself is actively being considered when it isn't just like the states banning contraception was not being pounded by anybody would stephanopoulos asked romney about it in two thousand twelve ditto here i just in the big scheme of things it's probably no big deal but it's just frustrating because trump is not guilty of anything they haven't found anything.
"alexander downer" Discussed on KSFO-AM
"The meetings with stephan helper the informant he says to popadopoulos by the way george you remember the story the russians have all the hillary emails the third step of this story is that helper sets up a meeting between popadopoulos and the australian ambassador who's a major donor to the clinton foundation twenty five million dollars named alexander downer and they go have drinks adult beverages at a uk bar at witch popadopoulos consumes too much lips get loose in popadopoulos does what he has basically been told to do he starts bragging wants to pizza twentyfouryearold young ma'am the periphery the campaign wants to come off like a big guy and tells alexander downer yeah you know what we know that the russians and thousands of hillary emails and downer plays his part acts shocked and informs the fbi doj and then wa the fbi doj claim to open the investigation not on the dossier but rather popadopoulos as a trump campaign member admitting that they know that the russians have hillary emails popadopoulos didn't know anything all of this was set up and this is the fbi is using popadopoulos and carter page as their new excuse to investigate because out of the blue that's popadopoulos guys talking about russian emails hillary emails being held by russia even of the several this up they are still relying on ignorance abounding all over the place well there's something new kimberley strassel column today the curious case of mr downer and i saw this yesterday but but credit to kimberly here the correction is popadopoulos says he never told anybody about e mails now this is key because up till now everybody informing us about this has said myth sued told popadopoulos the russians have thousands of hillary emails next phase helper reminds popadopoulos that he knows this next phase popadopoulos goes to get drinks with alexander downer and tells him except that's not what he told him we have been told the fbi acted because it was alarmed that popadopoulos knew about hat democratic emails that the.
"alexander downer" Discussed on KBNP AM 1410
"Reason they did it was because of this joking conversation between popadopoulos downer in two thousand sixteen but if they sent this informant in the trump campaign at a time that predates the date of the grounds the use for launching a campaign then that suggests they have politicized the federal workforce and that is indeed a violation of the law that much you and i both know do we not i'm not sure i take it is it's the law you're not allowed to politicize federal law enforcement okay you can't do that right right i just don't i don't know why can't quote the exact law the usc co the references it but i read it before and it exists you are not allowed to do that and not only that it all seems to just not pass the smell test right it it just smells like a set of think about it a clinton ally tells a trump guy that russia has dirt on clinton who tells another clinton ally who tells the fbi hey this this trump guys working with russia mifsud is the clinton ally who told popadopoulos that the russians had dirt on hillary clinton it was only then the popadopoulos tells alexander downer the same thing so you got an clinton ally telling trump guy that which that drunken trump guy eventually tells another clinton ally how is this not sounding like a setup at least anybody with an iq above salad dressing to snarky we just need we need to know more information about all of it and and the again do the act of the sending was like yes we're going to send it in here because we just think that these people smell funny that if that turns out to be the.
"alexander downer" Discussed on WJR 760
"The embassador alexander downer sit for an fbi interview to describe his meeting with the campaign advisor george popadopoulos the agents summarized their highly unusual interview and sent word to washington on august second two thousand sixteen two days after the investigation was open the report helped provide the foundation for a case that a year ago thursday became the special counsel investigation but at the time a small group of officials knew it by its codename crossfire hurricane that's the name was a reference to the the rolling stones lyric i was born in crossfire hurricane because obviously now everybody was under investigation so it's crossfire hurricane well days after they closed their investigation into hillary clinton's use of a private emails server agents began scrutinizing the campaign of republican rival the two cases have become inextricably linked in one most consequential periods in the history of the fbi this month the doj is expected to release the findings of its lengthy the review of the fbi's conduct in the clinton case and the results are shared renewed debate over james call me and the fbi all those questions i think are perfectly legit but here's what people are really worried about pay those decisions stands in contrast to the fbi's handling of crossfire hurricane not only did agents in that case fall back to their typical policy of silence but interviews with a dozen current and former government officials and review of documents show that the fbi was even more circumspect in that case that has been previously known many of the officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the investigation publicly agents considered then rejected interviewing key trump associates which might have sped up the investigation but risked revealing the existence of the case top officials quickly became convinced that they would not solve the case before election day which made them only more hesitant to act when agents did take bold investigative steps like interviewing ambassador there were shrouded in secrecy fearful of leaks they kept details from political appointees across the street of the doj's they weren't telling the geo j fearful that all this stuff was going to leak the facts had they leaked might have devastated the trump campaign trump's future national security advisor mike flynn was under investigation as was paul manafort wonder advisor appeared to have russian intelligence contact that would be populous another was suspected.
"alexander downer" Discussed on The Dan Bongino Show
"This is a setup people keep approaching this popadopoulos again let me be clear i don't know why maybe he's week maybe he wasn't maybe popadopoulos knew something himself i don't know but they keep approaching some somebody's out there the who's that guy in the vendors movie now the bad guy thought does donald the big bad guy there's a thought dose out there somewhere working with the democrats in the united states saying we need an insurance policy against trump if he gets elected the insurance policy is going to be this they colluded with the russians to win in the event they win how do we do that i've got an idea we're going to send people into the trump sphere repeatedly saying look we've got hillary's emails the russians got hillary's emails what do you want to do about it this happens over and over and over the galore offs you have the million connection you have alexander downer you have stefan helper it happens as the entire premise of my book it happens over and over and over again i use the analogy with joel lot if someone knocks on your door everyday someone you don't know and have never met and repeatedly asked you to go and rob a bank with them there's only two possible two possible answers to this number one they want you to rob a bank with them or number two they're framing you for robbing the bag right what's the third scenario.
"alexander downer" Discussed on The Dan Bongino Show
"Bar and australian diplomat we have been told this repeatedly over and over and over again now folks i know some of you are are are fatigued by the story i get and i have a lot of the stuff i'm gonna get through today but please this is super important because when we find out who this is it is going to be i think this is going to be one of those eureka moments were like oh now it all makes sense strauss will brings up an interesting question joe did the source start working with the fbi before or after the popadopoulos meeting in may of two thousand sixteen joe why would that matter now i'll explain to you it's actually be just throwing it out there using you as a proxy for the audience why would it matter it would matter because if the source was working with the fbi prior to the popadopoulos meeting in a london bar popadopoulos being trump cam t campaign team member and alexander downer it throws the fbi's entire story out the window if the fbi story has been the entire time joe that this trump campaign team member popadopoulos met in a bar with this guy alexander downer in australian diplomat and popadopoulos mentioned something about hillary email but a source was working within the trump team before that then obviously joe you see where i'm going with this the story about oh well popadopoulos started the whole thing is wrong i'm surprised i didn't think of that yeah it's it's clear listen a lot of people wouldn't strassel talks about the centerpiece at eight grade point when did the source that work with the fbi if the source started working with the fbi before the popadopoulos meeting houston we got a problem because your story about how the case started is wrong.
"alexander downer" Discussed on KBNP AM 1410
"Contributing collins dan good to have you back good to be back very quickly i was just gonna say very quickly we we're talking about this memo that was there's unredacted memo and everybody thought it was b big big bombshell someone else saying was little anticlimactic but i don't know originally it was believed that it was going to discuss something about the pfizer abuse and how all of this was attributed to the trump dossier being used as faulty premise upon which the justice department and the fbi predicated you know the rationale for going forward with a fiso warrant application now it turns out that they're just asserting that all know the entire investigation was triggered by this former foreign policy eight of trump who had a conversation with alexander downer again the australian bassett at a great britain and during this conversation a bar he's supposedly conveyed to him that he had heard that the russians had dirt on hillary and when this ambassador conveyed that information to the fbi that's supposedly launched the reality that so many folks are not familiar with is that it turns out that the trump dossier had already been accepted by the fbi weeks before that conversation was ever conveyed to the fbi hence my stretched credulity over or heads my belief that it stretches credulity to think that this was as pivotal as even this unredacted memo would convey also scratching my head why would is this thing even redacted anyway because there was very very little in the way of classified material urinalysis sir i think he was redacted because it's embarrassing people and i want you lie in public once you're a public figure lying how can i trust you ever again i mean this goes back to the whole michael wolfe book at some point in time all this stuff that bashes trump when when you once you knock out the foundational points will this person is not trustworthy nothing you're saying is trustworthy very very fair i mean if we're one goes so does the other i it it's just hard to get around it really really is but as usual there's so many bits and pieces to this i'm going to try to put some of it together now i tell you what before we move any further let's take a look at the on and off indignation that.
"alexander downer" Discussed on The Dan Bongino Show
"Matter of fact the discrepancies in some cases are enormous there are millions of dollars missing and their links to all of this in the lifezette peace there are millions of dollars missing in the california filings those california filings joe tax filings by the clinton foundation have been rejected in other words even a liberal state they'll like houston we've got a problem here there's something clearly wrong now now i always say remember the names and this case going to be better than even organization what of the headaches they're having in the california findings are funding that came in to a subset of the clinton foundation a portion of it called the clinton health access initiative the clinton health access initiative onto the clinton foundation has received many millions of dollars from governments the same kind of money that would have to be declared in california and that's coming up in major discrepancies between the two so much so that even california's like no no this filings not not good you need to refile this and clean this up there's millions missing now i've read this piece in lifezette against someone sent it to me and i always tell you remember the names that a name jumped right out clinton health access initiative government money wherever i seen that name before let me read you a piece again we'll be in the show notes by john solomon at the hill it's a couple of weeks old the piece is about our friend alexander downer.
"alexander downer" Discussed on The Dan Bongino Show
"She says listen look for the rationale this is a critical point this is the great synopsis joe the great point she makes here is if the memo describes the rationale for opening this investigation into trump as simply being this drunk conversation in a bar between papa dopoulos and alexander downer about the russians having dirt on clinton we got a serious problem yeah drunk in conversations in bars happen all the time folks the question is do they all lead to significant counterintelligence investigations against presidential candidates in other words what was the rationale for spying on trump that's all you got that a backbencher third rate foreign policy team guy was in a bar drunk in london and said the russians may have third on hillary that's this are you started counterintelligence investigation the trump if that's the best rationale you've got were in trouble so while reading a memo look for the rationale and the reason they started this investigation secondly tools in evidence now i can hit that if this before when they say tools in evidence look for the tools and evidence used to gather the tools used to gather evidence in the investigation in other words was the dossier a tool or a was it was it evidence and was the dossier used in part to they acknowledge it was used in part or was it the entire basis for the fis war i told you before and i mean is how it doesn't matter the bottom line is they swore that was true but look at the tools was fi was up five warrants used and in that fis weren't was the dossier part of that and was it in part or in whole you see where we go at the sharjah assured.
"alexander downer" Discussed on The Dan Bongino Show
"About three weeks earlier mr papadopoulos had been told that moscow had thousands of emails it wouldn't barras mrs clinton apparently stolen in an effort to damage her campaign keep in mind the umbrella arc here this is the second explanation as to how the investigation started follow the order here's the third paragraph this is where you need to pay attention here exactly how much mr papadopoulos said that night at the kensington wine rooms with the australian alexander downer is unclear but two months later when leak democratic emails began appearing line australian officials passed the information about mr papadopoulos to their american counterparts according to four current and four american foreign officials with direct knowledge of the rules story number two taken just backtracked story number one simpson i approached the fbi afraid trump was going to be bribed did it on my own volition nobody told me to do it so number two new york times december thirty 2017 the australians approach the fbi because alexander downer spoke to papa dopoulos in a borrow said the russians had emails alexander downer by the way in australian government official in their ministry of foreign affairs involved in the sale of australian uranium to the russians which was covered in the show three days ago who magically joe shows up in a bar in london were papa dopoulos crazy crazy mazy crazy talk so k one simpson approach the fbi story to the australians approach approach our american counterparts in the intelligence community and said the fbi directly 'cause they say american counterparts when it be precise on this story number three these links will all be in the show notes so if you're a liberal wacko doodle nutbag listening to me at st kitts painting a theory read the articles yourself they're not mine they're written by cnn and a new york times you clowns because.
"alexander downer" Discussed on The Dan Bongino Show
"A guy shows up in a bar in london and australian diplomat this australian diplomat foreign affairs ministers in this bar with papa dopoulos at a new york times says will in a night of drinking papa dopoulos joe tells us australian diplomat that he knows the russians could have dirt on hillary clinton now as i said to you in a prior episode if you really believe a drunk guy in a bar say'may at dirt on hillary clinton the russians with everybody in america in the world already knew started this investigation i've got a bridge in brooklyn also you super cheap right now but this is the new york times own reporting okay according to the new york times it is that conversation joseph with this australian diplomat about the dirt on hillary clinton that gets the fbi wild is dirt of we got to investigate the trump team for russian collusion that's what starts the whole thing i that's crap if you listen to yes we shall putt that's their allegation joe this is where the mindblowing begins but scramble your aches the australian diplomat in the bars the guy by the name of alexander downer just read the peace folks it's all in their whose alexander downer and what does he have to do it any of this alexander downer is the foreign affairs minister for australia when australia made a deal with who the russians to do what to export uranium to russia that even some australia's role i kuwait come again folks you think i'm making that up all include a piece from australia's own news then titties showing you that this guy doubter supported this deal to sell uranium to russia through australia.
"alexander downer" Discussed on MSNBC Rachel Maddow (audio)
"According to muller's documents papa dopoulos learned about this russian dirt the dirt that russians had on hillary clinton from this london professor who was appears apparently some kind of a russian cut out so he talks to the australian alexander downer in may of 2016 but it's not until two months later july 2016 when downer in a cable relase this to other parts of his government and then that is related to the fbi and that is one is we said of the driving factors that leads the fbi to launch the investigation the end of that month now it's around the same time as we of course remember when these dnc emails are leaking out on the eve of the democratic convention so it is possible that we haven't confirmed this yet that this becomes public and the australian government realizes what would it sitting on and it notifies the us government because what was damning here in particular was the timing as i said now we're hearing oh the russians had tons of still on emails they had dirt and hillary clinton we've heard so much about that a kind of washes over us but in may 2016 there was no public information that anything had been stolen that the russians had been involved in any sort of disinformation campaign about clinton that was that would have been that would have either sounded crazy oda with at least sounded like news at that time right right and we've certainly was not people were not focused on it at all a nearly to the extent that we are now or even have it for the last year i think you know papa dopoulos mentioning this it may not have raised the alarms as you know it did a couple a couple of months later why this drinking session happened waipa but alba's met with the australian is still little unclear i mean remember he had just been named two months earlier as a member of trump's foreign policy team so it's possible that as a man living in london some diplomats from close american allies might want to get a feel for the the candidate and his team but but again that's.
"alexander downer" Discussed on WLRH 89.3 HD3
"Australian mr downer named alexander downer uh eventually pat that information to the american and and the fbi twomonth later launched the investigation one else attorney ty cobb declined to comment to the new york times but the administration had sought to play down papa dopoulos its role in the campaign police in new york city of ramped up security for tonight's new year's eve celebration in times square impure stroll rose reports at city officials are trying to reassure revellers who might be anxious police commissioner james o'neill says about two million people are expected to brave the bitter cold and celebrate new year's eve in the vicinity of times square o'neill says those revellers may notice an even bigger police presence than usual this year and as prudent given a tire vents we've seen in studied around the world as well as the threeengine it's here in new york over the past fifteen months those include an attempted bombing at a subway passage this month and a truck attack on a bike path near the world trade center that killed eight people o'neill says there are no credible threats against the new year's eve celebration troll rose npr news new york new zealand and australia among the first to greet the new year in sydney the midnight fireworks included a rainbow display off the harbour bridge to celebrate the recently passed legislation that legalized gay marriage in australia and from washington you're listening to npr news as of today china the world's largest importer of elephant tusks implements a total ban on ivory sales in peers rob schmitz reports from shanghai while they've activists are calling the ban a vital step in reducing the slaughter of endangered elephants for the past three years china's made a big push to eradicate ivory sales the man is falling due to slower economic growth in a government crackdown on corruption but also because of public awareness campaigns featuring celebrities like basketball star yao ming with help boost awareness of bloody cost of ivory the dan is already lejeune eighty percent decline and seizures of illegal ivory in his first nationwide address since he was declared the winner of tuesday's runoff liberia's president elect george weah as vowing to fight corruption and revive the.
"alexander downer" Discussed on KQED Radio
"Australian mr downer named alexander downer uh eventually pat that information to the american and and the fbi two months later launched investigations going else attorney thai call declined to comment to the new york times but the administration has sought to play down poppa topless this role in the campaign police in new york city have ramped up security for tonight's new year's eve celebration in times square in peers drill rose reports at city officials are trying to reassure revellers who might be anxious police commissioner james o'neill says about two million people are expected to brave the bitter cold and celebrate new year's eve in the vicinity of times square o'neill says those revellers may notice an even bigger police presence than usual this year and adds prudent given a tour events we've seen in studied around the world as well as the three incidents here in new york over the past fifteen months those include an attempted bombing at a subway passage this month and a truck attack on a bike path near the world traits center that killed eight people o'neill says there are no credible threats against the new year's eve celebration troll rose npr news new york new zealand and australia among the first to greet the new year in sydney the midnight fireworks included a rainbow display off the harbour bridge to celebrate a recently passed legislation that legalized gay marriage in australia and from washington you're listening to npr news from kqed news i'm penny now thin good morning this and matteo kenny district attorney's office is investigating a fatal officerinvolved shooting that occurred yesterday in redwood city police say they shot and killed a suspect outside a wells fargo bank after responding to reports have a person with a gun according to police the suspect did not disarm himself when officers asked and fired multiple shots towards the police police say officers then returned fire and the suspect was pronounced dead shortly thereafter that officers involved in the shooting are now on paid leave starting tomorrow the commercial sale of recreational marijuana will be legal in california about this substance is still illegal on a federal level as kqed's politics and government reporter katie or tells us that makes it difficult for cannabis businesses to put their money in banks that can present a number of challenges for instance security you're dealing with thousands of dollars a.