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Masters of the Pyun-iverse: Cyborg Edition

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1:09:08 hr | 5 months ago

Masters of the Pyun-iverse: Cyborg Edition

"Hey welcome back back. Saying i'm steve. And this week. I got adami roast with me miles how you doing. I'm doing all right. I feel like. I'm really getting a feel for albert pune these days. That's that's the only feeling you really need in your life said valentine's day you wanna really experience love. You watch our pune movie. He'll teach you a thing or two especially if you like really like muscular women. That's kind of. That's kind of his thing. Also joining us. jack. Jack how you doing. You're representing the most fear women out there. You're the most muscular woman i know. Thank you. Steve was a trip to ohio. It was it was beautiful. I stayed at one of the fanciest. Hotels downtown columbus. With a beautiful view of a multi-storey carpark donning wonderful time was at the hyatt marriott. Aw the marriott okay. Classy is also had at curtains that spanned the whole length of each wall. It was like a coroner ruminated curtains. That run the whole length of the wall. Which makes you think that you have massive windows. But the windows are regulars is just just incredible. Views that columbus Cape right of multi storey car park and at the top of the building. Next door's aircon units. Just a beautiful. So last time. I was in columbus. I had to go there for work and was in. The back of an uber and uber driver was just like hey. So what's up with you guys to me and my boss and we're like what would it mean. And then she said are you brother and sister said no. She said so. You're married said absolutely not and king my boss was on that one you modulate your level of protests for that. Yeah yeah you gotta be a little careful. We're like oh we're here for for work love to do work stuff in columbus and then she said well. Do you want a good recommendation for a restaurant and said yes. Sure you can give us a recommendation. We didn't ask for why not as she recommended a japanese restaurant which she insisted had the best fettuccini. Alfredo she had ever had what in this is going to be more mid west. Like you gotta check out. Shoney's though i would have taken an applebees wreck at that point i i don't know what the fuck was going on there and then we're just trying to be polite or like. Oh you know. Thank you for your your fred fettuccini al sushi recommendation. And you know it's great. And then she said. What do you do it on sunday and we were like. We're like probably flying home sunday night. Like she's like. Oh well i was going to invite you to my church. That i was like god. If we're outta fuck it freeway right now. Just throw myself out the tour mid western sharm. Great you know. It's kind of an underrated moment. 'cause it's that's that's what the midwest is all about. It's just unsolicited. Kindly advice from people who give you the vibe that they want to chop you up and throw in their trunk so fair you gotta give that recommendation. Cho's who's gonna know. They could even get fettuccini at a japanese place as true. That's true. I wish i remembered the name of the restaurant because that entire experience was it was kind of those jarring. I've tried to erase it from my mind up until this moment but you and your damn columbus trip it just brings all these horrible memories back. Yeah speaking to horrible memories. Just kidding just kidding. We've been on a journey with albert. Pune man so this whole thing started because we watched the cyborg trilogy of which albert only technically directed the first one and then we kind of come back to more pune and we had a great episode with justin glow on where we talked about. Basically all things pune pune pill. The masses was wonderful. And now we're back again because these two previous episodes have sort of converged into something new now. Albert pune make cyborg and as we discussed previously edited hacked to shit and released. And it's not his original vision. Additionally after the movie is released it's pretty successful and they go on to make two sequels that we covered but our pune had no involvement but at the same time that those movies were being made he was making his own cyborg sequels often his own universe but somehow it feels like the official sequels are somehow more spiritually tied to his original vision than his actual sequels. So i if you got like a white board right now you can kind of diagram this out. The whole thing is just colossally fucking confusing. What the hell is going on with this jack. Well yeah like you mentioned a cyborg came out before cyberspace and justin mentioned this. The the story is basically the executive saddened. Watch cyborg and sheldon leonard. Chew we might recognize a director of several van. Damme's films bernie good friend of his sat in for cyborg and he didn't like what he saw. He fails to slow. It wasn't action oriented enough van. Damme look like pussy so he called a van damme and he was like you need. You need to get on. This need to fix it and van damme. Basically coal his people whoever the hell they are and they came in they took the movie off. Pune they re it to make it more action oriented etcetera. And that's that's a cyborg. No which is kind of a weird intense movie that we've talked about before the i'm quite fond of but it is still quite strange but Was won't pune wanted. He later on went back and made his own version. Kind of reedited. His old work print into sparkling hd master of cyborg so basically at every time there's a new like cuts from like sparkling hd two like dog shit vhs vhs quality to really maximize the viewing experience. Yeah this is real. Bush league stuff is like like when people were passing around like a work print version of halloween six. Maybe like five ten years ago and they're like no this. Halloween movie is good. It is unfairly maligned. It's not a colossal pilot. Shed and then not only was still bad but it was. It was this bizarre cuts to shit with like time codes on the bottom and it just totally out of focus. This fixes. everything does not fixed everything so little rough around the edges like a worse approach than even that like. I've seen that version of halloween. There's a alien three version that does something similar as well but at least those have like the courtesy and probably because the director themselves did not assemble this work print cut and weren't that attached to material. They were just kind of putting in things that fundamentally shifted the focus and change the narrative to something that makes sense so. If you're watching halloween six work print cut. You're going to get like four inserts of this trash footage throughout the entirety of the film here in in slinger you've got about four hundred and most of them are just a slightly extended versions of scenes that exists. Like for no reason i. It's a bizarre choice as a re edited to the extra walking edition. It's it's a food genuine reedit. Which me and i guess part of this. Is that like the main thing pune wanted to do when it becomes apparent watching slinger is that he's film. His original asian film is a much more existential anguish. Slow film about a man kinda crossroads unwilling to take action because everything. He loves his died. In this post apocalyptic world that doesn't feature a play the plague from cyborg sparingly in their originally is revealed to have been late film edition. There's no plague in slinger. Just it's just post-apocalyptic Post-falklands and there's a satanic tribe wandering around. Who loved to cause mayhem. The name of satan and but but basically pune wants to to slow everything down to do that he. He added every single scene every colt. So it's constantly changing between and this this got unofficial release. I think germany was blue right which is probably the source what we watched. This is not an easy film to find. Just generally it's long out of print so Go look tracking it down but when you drag down brace yourself for. It's it's weird. It's jobs too but it's a little bit frustrating. That's like it just cuts to like garbage thing. Jesse can get like an extra like literally an extra four frames of van damme hanging off a wire or something. I think it also calms down from the start of the film. Like the start of the film is just ridiculous. Every single scene is just as inserted a few frames. It's why the fuck are we doing this. And there are things that fundamentally changes movie like. I was a little hard on cyborg compared to the two of you in the first episode here but i think that this answers a lot of my questions. A lot of which surrounded vincent clients character. Fender tremolo is like. I don't understand why they're modulating voice like this. What the fuck is the deal with his is. What's the significance of this character beyond hersely to vandamme and here that's all cleared up like he is this sort of agent to satan on earth like he is he is kind of. He's not just a random gang leader. We'll say he seems to be of tremendous significance. To this post apocalyptic world share and that is not clarified. It all inside. Yeah yeah it really. Contextualize is the john. Claude van damme is literally crucified in the later. Half this movie lake. Because before you're like oh i don't know where this came from but setting him up as a satan figure instead of say. Yeah like you said a gang leader. Yeah he. it's almost like he's almost a randall. Randall flagg from the stand type character. In this i would sit. And i think this version takes quite a bit from the stand even though ironically that is an actual movie that involves the plague but this one feels a lot more akin to something like that and then the sort of mad max clone i read the cut of cyborg is like this is not that. It's its own thing in a way. That is really refreshing to me like i was like. Wow i wish this movie existed. In a way that was that hacked to high hell either via studio or by pune after the fact with the earth's worst footage. Well that's i mean. You could say that about two thirds of our movies. There's so many things you watch like. That was good. And there's something genuinely great here it just. It just barely misses the mark. It's frustrating that yet. This is one of putin's slake fully funded efforts that he really didn't get a lot of those and he got kicked off so in the end his fullest realization of one of the film's where he had actual money behind him. Still looks like shit like it's still looks like coroners call. Just because he literally only had a work print worker. In which i'm guessing may have been vhs zoroaster the. I don't know how one he did like recorded off like it was a film work when he could only record in absolute like t ye quality standard definition. It's it's real fuzzy. It does not hold up well enough. So it's going to enforce it because the film it it really is. I think better from the biggest change for me am which is definitely worth mentioning is the soundtrack he reinstates. Tony ripple readies guitar sound track. Which was when you always intended robin as anyone Recall the soundtrack space like shitty midi casio keyboard kind of tones over the whole thing which makes no sense. Considering how insanely intense in that film is and we learned part of the inset the the intensity of that film cuts things are missing. So everything just seemed like ratchet from zero to a hundred's instantly at just like a playing like a crappy keyboard over talk so they they fix that here you that alone. I think makes slinger a better film. Honestly every all the other side I would agree. I would agree. I think a lot about slingers is better. I mean there are things that are. Don't work still. i mean issues. A lot of pune huhne's Weaknesses as well. I would say he has a great fondness for voiceover for certain and some of which is detrimental to a movie. That's trying to be a little slower more subtle at times. I i don't need vincent clients character. Dave of narration of what are your reason for living. This is the bank characters motivation. Ha funny because the one thing we do lose the dialogue is move later into the phil. But one of the passing of cyborg. Is i think the opening voiceover clients character about how the world has fallen into disrepair. And he's like under looking for cure. And you expect you would expect the voice over to say that's good and instead we realized the villain told me he's like why i like the pay you know like suffering and this is great. You know kind of immediate introduction to the phil that's gone in this that dialogue moved into an actual conversation clients adding with i get the guy who's trying to rescue rescue the upon a cyborg who is still mostly just a macguffin in this fill. She barely as you're going to lose the little impact. But i guess it makes sense that this is a slower kind of a slower. Rationing up film about vandamme and his pastoral kind of bucolic life nearly hacked with this woman and her children in a plantation style house and it all fell apart. Vincent clients gang murder. All of them is happens. Then it's about choices. They had a ton more footage in the final cut of cyborg of that pastoral home if you will and hyun cuts to that footage know totally different way than is in the interest cut. But he doesn't use the theatrical cuts like footage of that stuff. I i have no idea why. But whatever he cuts through it. He's cutting the fuck dumpster footage and it's like to work with the other cut of the film man used. This feels like pure absolutely like holding his own line. So i wouldn't be surprised with like a separate take of the same seen he's like. This take was bet is the take i would. You'd care another one looks clear and you can see what's happening in. This is the correct. Take for the film. Now that's where. Jean claude really. You know you can see that extra twinkle in his eye during that cut. That's that's why you gotta use the dumpster footage for sure where this suffers. In comparison to cyborg is the conclusion. I'm in not a not even like the climax. The climactic fight is enriched greatly by the subtext. Were given to this thing. But i'm also it's made shorter slinger. They get rid of the thing where he comes back to life for no reason coins carry out just kind of a bridge it which honestly works just fine. It's just that what follows that makes a little bit less accents. And by little i made lots. I guess is this whole thing about the cyborgs. Mission is not to cure the plague in this version obviously but is impact to restore technology. And that seems like a noble gesture. But there's actually some sort of conspiratorial element where they're trying to do both klein and van damme to escorting this person so they can basically utilize technology to restore power to their faction and kind of take over the earth that rule it as they would and so instead of this sort of noble ending prevent dams charactered where we're celebrating this hero which mission that was successful instead. It's a it's just like this super fucking quick thing where not even have like recorded. They have like vio dialogue. So they're just eighty airing over of them the mission but completed now we will rule the earth and fuck attack data quick at that we get this goddamn ridiculous thing that i assumed was the setup two nights but is in fact not all of a sudden we get like a fucking terminator. Come back a at the end of the movie. Use a full frontal nudity. Last just gotta lightning balls into the warehouse for the earlier fight. And you're like what the fuck is this. I got the oil would that i. I don't know what it was deuba. skipped i. Guess just check against. I made sure were end credits Right to the end of the file. That was like the first sequence i saw was like. Cg naked woman with like Robotic bits hanging out in this is something else no turns out that is now the work print that is. That is sean somewhere. All the things he shot knew it was that and i cured. Gulp elect overflow another move. We haven't seen it's it's also because the leftovers is later. Movies are all like green screen to hallam this. This is very clearly also green screen thing just got some woman. I guess straps some like aluminum foil to radyr or whatever there we go. So what. I what is perhaps most amusing to think of it as newly filmed is that it was it was surely filmed after nights was wrapped. This is film well after the existence of the sequel to this film. But this is what he uses a coach. Yup banks perfect sense. And then the intro. Tonight's as we get there eventually. I don't necessarily wanna bully. But the intro nights mentions this unknown twenty-first-century cyborg. And i'm like oh that must be that full frontal nudity woman. It's no no it. Is this part. What i love about putin i mean. It's kind of endearing cuts. I mean i've seen enough shitty genre films and sequels that honestly you come to understand that like sequels necessarily following up on a universe or an idea or giving the audience. What promised is often kind of boring and stuff. I kind of like the way that pune kind of promises things then just doesn't do them or go. Like if you know. Spiritual sequel. Heavy air quotes. Sorta like it's not like spiritual sequel in that. It has the same title as the first one with a twos doug after whatever but you know. It's kind of endearing that he just he. He seems incapable of of reining himself. Vein when he when he moves onto the next film. It's it is. It has to be whatever his idea is at that point. He can't help himself. So yes a like noise is has almost nothing to do with cyborg at what does have to deal with. Cyborgs arguably more distracting and confused. Like maybe the most distracting and confusing part of the whole movie. 'cause it's you know because it is literally just title text on the screen for this character is actually the great granddaughter character. And that's it no other mentioned and also just make sense because it's two hundred years in the future so a great granddaughter would not be two hundred years on unless life expectancies are like shrink. She longer in the post apocalypse. Yeah and it mentions that twenty-first-century cyborg. Which is chris. Christopherson 's character. But i'm like when the fuck is. What does this month to be taking place like this twenty first century the distant past the utah. I have no ted lieu. Whichever is most interesting to you is pro dancer. I'm and also vincent climbed plays. Vincent klein's great great grandson as well below the third who was not named fender tremolo the third throughout the rest of the film but in fact they i he pune. If pure had had had his way it would have been which is makes Against head like you cannot call this guy fender. No that's where we draw the fuck. Why why would to give a shit issue given everything we know about noise link. Honesty why would you draw a line at the name of the characters in the film is an absolute odyssey like is such an all of the of americans Are we done with cyborg. Yeah i'd say so so we move on here to what is technically cyborg to in the universe s and you may know this as nights sure played on cinemax quite a bit in the mid ninety s or you might know it as the alternate pune cut title kingdom of metal. No matter what title you know what by the it looks like shit because no one's taken even five minutes to clean this bad boy up which is a shame because i think this is one of the purest pian films ever made at. Let me let me give you a little little taste here. I'm gonna give you a little taste from the trailer. Dark arc's So in the future you've got kris kristofferson sexual robot debonair man who's he's pretty old at this point and you've got a buffer lady and they team up to kill lance henriksen and his vampire robot friends and the way they do that is kris. Kristofferson teaches the buff lady how to fight like she's in crouching tiger hidden dragon. The end is that right is pretty. I get it to point this against fall on from my previous toll on thinkable to meet this. This was matic put together in any holy. I'm fully in agreement with am johnson. The clue who point out in his book on albert puny says this is unamerican. Fill and ease which in nineteen ninety-two. He made a wishaw film which is insane Flying action here. Is that whole chinese kind of soap genre of like flying. Anti gravity swordsman kind of traveling around. Is crouching. tiger hidden dragon was what ninety nine thousand nine or so or two thousand and one. I guess you know like a huge was a huge hit. Massive hit Insane that it was such a success but that was like the exception that proves the rule that generally speaking western audiences for some reason wound not accept that kind of stylized form of action where characters you know kind of flaw and they jump on the way they fight while they're flying etc crashing swords and things and they name older moves you they tell you the form of come food or using etc name often in the middle of the fight. They'll just tell you what moved there on their unleashing. The crimean attack they exactly. It's a very specifically shy knees genre of cinema and the idea that number again and it just seems he cannot help himself in one thousand nine hundred ninety two just inside like yeah i could. I could make one of these. And somehow isn't he made it possible in like the middle of the nevada desert okay. There's there's nothing here there's just like it's just dirt. It's dirt for ninety minutes. There's no there's no change of scenery. I think at one point for a single fight there in a wooded area for like ten minutes other than that. It's it's probably a single square mile in nevada or like bar sto california just dirt this. This whole thing is cheap as shit looking okay. But it's great it somehow great. This is super engaging nothing about this movie makes sense in terms of why it's so entertaining but the action moves along. Christofferson is is really good. Even though he's in his his post like late nineteen seventies people. Just stop giving a shit about him. So there was You could you could get yourself a discount. Christoffersen nineteen ninety-three and he's fantastic lance hundred. Always good as a villain here. He's he's great. And i think it's all the little touches that they even with henriksen the fact that he's got some weird like claw arm thing going on also. It's all stupid as fuck like i cannot emphasize enough. Just how silly it is. But that's why it's great. This is the joy of this journey to the cinema of our pune is that i now know that. In point someone made it will show action film in america in the desert starring lance and kris kristofferson mad lib cinema just nothing makes sense in atlanta. Henriksen is particularly fond this because he's really channeling his like pit and the pendulum. Stuart gordon like just insanely just like stern in the midst of film. That's not anywhere near a stern as he is at its. It's a kind of very fun. Set up his vampire. Clo- accuracy the cyborgs of future and use human blood to survive past their their original intended lifespan. So it's it yet. The story doesn't make any sense. If you try no get out it kind of falls apart real quick. I think it makes even less sense. If you watch the pune director's cut quote on all the best part. This is the greatest directors cut of all time. Okay there's nothing at all except for there's like a weird prologue like scrolling text and then anytime a character comes on screen. There's text underneath them. That's like oh yeah that's so and so they're the grandson of this person that so and so they're totally related to this person from the first cyborg so these movies are in the same universe. Just trust me prologue though is is just the on film prologue which i. It's not like it's set up like a fucking seen. How exactly did you to fill the energy. Because it's it's absolutely the energy of just like they wouldn't let me do whatever i wanted to do on a mad about it but also in the prologue Evident that maybe. They didn't let him do whatever he wants to because he wasn't entirely certain what he was going to do at that time they were like. We're not your market and also the the explanation is more or less everything in the prologue cannot be shot in a desert. Therefore you are not allowed to do this based on your current budget constraints as i understand the prolonged it is that the initial research from cyborg led to the construction of twenty cyborgs. Who had a power cell that lasted one year. I don't even remember what the plan was to send them out to do. Something about the fuel satanists or something. I don't the they had. They were to go out and restore order using their technology. I guess they would've. They would've knowledge of technology so they could. They could rebuild the world but there's fantastically within the open school there like and they were all named biblical names such as job. Simon john excetera with like twelve twenty was choice now. Yeah but then the evil brick bardo who again pune i get you to use this name. But that is a character in cyborg and surely not to save character giant muscle. Man just decided he was gonna fucking get into cyborg construction but brick bardo. Kristen's himself the master builder and corrupts all the sideboards by making them feed on human blood. And that's the plot. I guess then couple of hundred years pass we have the extra cyborg who is who only has a one year. Power supply was built by the master. Builders at adversary. None of this. We see this is all in the prologue text he builds gabriel which is also biblical name. I don't know if you guys knew that. That's the rep. abriel playboy. Kris kristofferson is charged with killing the twenty other cyborgs at a year with his power supply. And the reason he can do this while these twenty sideboards lay waste to the entire world is because he's aware of the crimean attack. Which so far. As i'm aware involves kicking them or something that Ego forget the the mon- block offensive in partnership those two things are excellent for killing cyborgs. And they basically employ themselves in display boards. Heads vulnerable so if you jam a knife in their dolly where you would think with the entire population of the earth that someone would have tried to damage the head of one of these cyborg knowing guests that the way to kill someone effectively is to stab them in the head thinking about this phony cubans. They would've figured that out until a star was born chris. Christopherson figured it out gonna get back to its fall. I guess if you can get chris christopherson for this sort of thing that adds gravitas. But it's very strange casting for like back. Ultimate weapon against the cyborg. Because he's he's an old man he helps the print. It looks like shit because it's clearly a stunt double for seventy percent of his screen time when he's fighting you know. Oh yeah 'cause real christopherson. He looks like your uncle that like smokes weed in a garage and listen to pink floyd records until his wife yells at him like that. Is it again at the end of this movie. At our main character just straps legless kristofferson onto her back in a backpack and then he gets a sword and then they continue fighting together. Which is Insane like where else are you gonna find. The action says he's in an american movie. It's there's like the really is a genuine wealth of imagination. Here and part of it is just like the bowl step pune had to just basically make a film in show on that just literally doesn't exist in the west and just kind of follow his own instincts and have atlantis got like things were like character will jump. And then they'll just appear the top of a mountain like jump into the frame and it's like this. Oh all the movement is in an ended which is like murray typical of particularly like king whose work and we whoever would have thought that king who and albert goon would like mesh together. The master craftsman. And the guy who's made some stuff it's it's it really is a fun film. Made like steve. It's just a really entertaining reenter. You don't you don't really have much to stop. And wonder why the fuck is any of this happening. Yeah yeah it's a lot of it is due to the secondary characters from. I'm cathy long. Is ostensibly becomes lead. Even though it's more like focused on christopherson initially kathy long is picking up that physicality end of things that vandamme left. Obviously but and she's like a kickback. She didn't have much of any film career but she's actually quite goodness. I think and the other thing is again. Henriksen is having some fun. But he's also half there and His second command the guy who plays simon scott paulin news mainly a tv actor but he is. He is happy to be in this fucking thing. He's having a copy of meals and a lot of pureness work. He he shows up a lot of roles appearance films. And i think this is probably one of his best. 'cause he's he's this is the grinning hottick cyborg right. That's and having a good time. And he's got like fun pretty good makeup actually for as to get his nose instead of damage in. It's like shows which looks pretty good onscreen considering the quality of the print channel emphasize how bad the print looks. Yeah one of my like false with this is where it kinda fell from is that i almost wish that paul was playing the main villain because when he exits by halfway through you kind of lose some momentum because his performance is just pure energy. Yeah yeah absolutely ended also worth mentioning one of the other cyborgs. Is gary daniels who they also really. I don't even say a word in this movie. I don't recall if he does. He just shows up and does a couple. A couple of split kicks in then dispatched. I have not met this. This is it's i. I don't know if there's a single tv american movie in the nineties that you can compare this to complete aberration like frankly this this is something i think that genre film fans really have to seek out. Just take a look at themselves because this honestly is like such a doesn't rewrite the timeline because there is no time. Line to sean but the fact that even just exists at all. It's like just as weird blip on the radar american director video television cinema. So if i had to compare this to one thing. And i think this is a good touch point just to give you an idea if this is something you might be interested in I recently gave jack a dvd. That i got from the dollar store of a movie called the crippled masters about a guy with no arms and a guy with no legs who team up and fight hopping vampires and evil people so plastic inclusive cinema. Yeah if you like if you like. Jackie con movies from the late. Nineteen seventies just the absolute like lowest level weird exploitation kung fu cinema. This is your shit okay. It's it's weird. It's fun and it's it's dumb but i mean that in the best way when i say dumb i mean you know it's turn your brain off but just let it wash over. You don't think about anything too hard because what is on screen while it looks like shit because this is like a vhs tape but it's good stuff so highly recommended all keep an eye out for tim thomason as well. He's he's in there for like thirty seconds. Sitting around and talk about the the end of this film was well because it opens with. We're prologue does like here's the things they wouldn't allow me to shoot and then it ends with the voice over of like we had to venture out to go to. I can't even remember like cyborg city to you know. Finish our quest. Does the third move in. Cyprus trilogy pickup from that point. Let's find us because there's a thing where it's even more complicated than that. Because she has a brother that is introduced in the prologue in the actual prolonged at the unfilmable pro catalogs character has a brother who she separated from at some point offscreen and she recognizes that this kid. She runs into later in the film as her brother. The ages do not add up. Let's not try to make that work but apple scam. Who must be your brothers. Got the same birth burke and the evil master builder. I'd guess brick bardo. He's really at the movie but he just gotta shows up in the last ten minutes and doesn't i don't speak talking about. Don't have a line in the movie. I don't even think the main villain movie swoops in and as goofy helmet and steals the brother and takes the brother to cyborg cities. So you're like oh this is something up. No now never got. Hey we don't get any. Yeah this is this is our pune to see. Because it's this just genre film grab bag that ends with a setup for a sequel and you get a sequel but it has nothing to do with debris movie instead you get a little something with rutger. Hauer called omega doom girl. Howard back science fiction thriller the world powerful vision of our future neutrons got interest. And then the killing stock. So what we watch the original cyborg a few weeks back. I half jokingly but mostly seriously called it like yo jimbo and then. I made the same comment when we had just an on and his response was just wait until you see omega doom. Has you covered. Li literally omega tomb is it's yo jimbo with two gangs of cyborgs. At a cyborg in the middle we're cyborgs to pune standard. I think they're android most all of them but this is this is androids and cyborgs. Those that's the warring factions. I believe yeah at least pune pune leg tries to watch it away like cadaver parts and like well. I guess that's gray area. I don't know what you'd call it. I just want to jump back just very previously and just mentioned that it is weird to me and typical of the chaos of all of this. That night's funes part of his own. Cyborg trophy she points towards a slight board city and then the official cyborg three the recycler which he had nothing to do with hasselbald Which is correct. And it's the same with cyborg to where the end of of pune cyborg cut slinger points to a tech overthrow of this unruly wasteland is then somewhat depicted in cyborg to in a way that this is certainly not depicted in nights very strange at all these things you can i guess for her ferber connection in cyborg to glass shadow. The non pune film. There is an explosive injected into the character body which is a plot. Point albert putin's nemesis. So i don't know stealing from hugh at this. Point is just absolute just all over the place and cinema is ongoing conversations man. It's just movies speaking to movies bringing other. Yeah meta textual stuff but getting back to a mega do i. I kinda like this movie. And again i kind of like the first all. I think it's worth mentioning you know since we're doing this in the context of the official cyborg trilogy in the albert pune cyber troje all of the pune films i think are better than the official films person agreed an an omega. Doom is maybe my least favorite of this three. But it's still a really odd film because it is it's like a really it's a really slow leaden paste ange in like anxiety driven chamber drama about. Just it's it's got a cast of like eight people a pretty much remaining knowing. I guess there's like three like three gangs of three cyborgs. And then three people in them or to gangs of three cyborgs three characters inbetween on around many of the characters. Don't say anything and they just basically are all just hang around the story line here effectively. Is that there is a cache of their Supposedly like a secret. Massive store of guns bereaved somewhere in earth. In this post apocalyptic wasteland x. number of years after cyborg to which will never mentioned again has nothing to do with this notes. Or whatever you'd like to call it doesn't really matter and these works for. Some reason are hell bent on accessing these guns because they fear the humans are going to rise up again and they would go to defend themselves on the humans but the guns are like lost technology at this point so they need to find a store and but they're at an impasse these two different groups of cyborgs. Who are against two different like tech. Inspirations of cyborg and one of them looks like literally looks like the matrix at agents but this movie was made three years prior to the matrix. So you appeal. Always like weirdly. Predicting or kind of like coming in ahead of the curve on a lot of things at the same is often hard to give them recognition for because clearly. The ideas are never fleshed out in. There's a reason to still see did never catches on where does with other people because they have much more fleshed out ideas and but essentially there's two groups they're they're kind of like a stalemate where they are antagonistic. Children would like to kill each other but they don't wanna make any move because they don't want to reveal where the guns might be if they find the guns they don't want the other people to get in they don't want to get the jump on so they literally just stand on opposing square. Just stare each other menacingly me will rook hauer is android. I'm unclear on this. His memory is flanked by in a sword fighter. So okay by a gun. Yeah but but guns earn around and and that happens in the beginning and then we get to see. He's got like a big ass sword and like a cool knife that heathrow right he is the so and my takeaway is. It doesn't seem like guns are all that rare and even if they were i don't i don't get the idea that they're particularly necessary in this world. Like why does anyone need a gun. I think that it's it's briefly. Throwaway line about it. I think that the guns are not especially useful to the cyborgs. Their the reason that they want them is to keep them away from the humans because the humans are no match for them in close quarter combat. So that the fact that they could create a sort of distanced warfare with this weaponry would be potential danger. Who did this would make sense. Except for then the the added thing of in what kind of posts optimistic wasteland are there. Is there one store. Only preserved guns in that would allow you to overthrow cyborgs. It's it's a very thin narrative base and essentially rutger hauer one christine as of the man with no name at and basically sets both factions against each other. Plays them off each other. And in the middle you have an adviser who sees one appearance rate may be his most regular player repeating character actor who plays a character called beheads cause for the majority of the film. He's a disembodied head and he's basically comedy relief in this movie which is not very fond. He's not very funny and the movie doesn't call for comedy relief so it's confusing as to why he's there and then another woman who gets water the android stay like drink the water this she selling water. I don't understand half but not ice. If you ask for ice she tells you to fuck off. Negoti get water too far. I don't see it encouraged. Courtesy changing hands. But you would think that. It must sound like nominally nominee. She would be selling water but the androids are meeting and will pay for. Maybe i guess but what does she need the money for. Frankly yeah what does she need the money for and also why of the andrews not just taking over her wall her business if they really wanna frosty cold glass of water you know. I guess you could give the script in amount of credit in these behaviors and i. I do think there's something going on with this. Probably because it's remaking a smart film but i think a lot of it has to do with these machines unable to break their sort of programming loops like they don't have any need for these guns but their program to seek out the guns and then same with the water seller. She's she's there to sell water but she doesn't have any. There's no need for to khattabi at this current landscape but she's stuck in that routine. Yeah which is which is i think. Definitely the element film was going. But then you have the head who is like an educational roy to supposed to be a teacher who seems to follow no programming whatsoever at. Yeah he's really just. He's the audience surrogate effectively. He's there basically in the scenario far better if the head would just have been kicked off screen very early. It'd probably would help. But he's he's facing there to explain everything that wouldn't be. Programming is adroit at to basically provide ex-boss hog constantly so is he freed his programming. We don't know but rutger hauer effectively is free of his programming because he doesn't remember his programming except maybe at the end. And that's and that's. I guess you'd have to watch the movie to find out what happens. Seattle oh is he free of his programming or was his programming. Just overwritten with new programming. Break question I don't recall at this juncture. Because it's been awhile since i watched the movie. I don't think our pinault's one of the things at you know. I gotta say again. Like i find his films endearing but also like when you get into the nitty gritty of these these elements. It doesn't seem to matter which may be huge resounding recommendation for his work. Yeah it's like. He completes the mission of killing all of them. And then it's i don't know he winks with the camera. Leaves it sort of to to wander the wasteland. Some more at least doesn't promise the sequel. Which i guess so. There are no more cyborg movies. there's other movies. He makes what cyborgs but their their own thing. Like heat seeker which is like mortal combat with cyborgs. At you know. I think you touched on something. That's important with pune movies. Which is if you hold them to any scrutiny. Or think about the plot for more than three seconds the whole thing. Just sort of disintegrates. But that's the magic of his films and it's almost like a big fuck you to the whole like cinema sins. Perfect narrative makes a great film. That type film people like fuck all that on. This is all about mood. And just just the unexpected and pure uncut entertainment. That's what you get from an our abune film but at the same time if you may. He may falter narrative lee and a lotta times. It's just big ideas. That aren't out for one reason or another. But i will be damned. If for some reason omega doom has some of the most impressive technical shit that i've seen pune do and there's there's just camera movements that he seems to insist on that blow my mind because i can't think of why he would make these decisions but it's incredible it's total like i dunno it. He's subverts all of your expectations as a viewer. So there's a scene where it's just like a back and forth shot reverse shot of rutger hauer talking to one of the matrix robot ladies but the camera is rotating around rutger hauer in one direction and then it kind of swoops in the opposite direction around the matrix. Lady hundred percent unnecessary but completely compelling and it adds all of this like weird motion and tension and importance to an otherwise completely mundane scene. It's fucking magical. Yeah i think the value of pune to me is is. We've all seen a bunch of genre films and honestly they're mostly interchangeable and the idea. Is that the plot is not known. Remember the plot. No one cares about a plot. It's ideas and the tone like you say. And and that's that's what we have. Is that on on knocker. Forget the tone of omega. Do even if i don't even remember the basic plot three minutes efforts over this movie like really crystallized a lot of stuff for me it. It leans into some of his best impulses in some of his worst in ways. It's one of my favorite little tv. Tropes subs- Things for Albert pune is he uses road signs as establishing Constantly and this one really highlighted that forbade because he focuses on this sign in the ruins. That just says like old world. You're up i'm like why would consign every anywhere on her old world europe. I think this i will. I will bet any amount of money that he shot in an abandoned factory in like slovakia or like some like i don't know fucking eastern european theme. Park that celebrates old world. Europe was like a john. Deere disneyland or disney disney disneyworld. We're in we're in the old world europe section and that's where am and you know what that that she reminds because i believe in earlier drafts of this film was like a westworld concept that they were supposed to be theme park robots really interesting so that could although i don't know why they then biondi for guns but anyhow Which again will bring in the idea of them. Being bound program in doing unnecessary tasks am always that got pushed to the to the Recycled later in the westworld tv show which is about four thousand times more self serious than anything out repealed has ever made effort better or worse so Yeah who who knows but it is true. He does like 'em in cyborg. He's got that great Ended slingers greats. Like crossroads sign that the chocolate van damme will buy like promises. Like haven inhaler. I can't remember or something. He loves his signs. The the other thing is again. This is a fairly contemporary to movie. Slow as it albert pune movie gets what i've seen and i'm sure there's some chambered play nonsense. He did way back in the day that the will best this but it is a movie with themes it's almost a real movie. And then he makes a decision like i'll every time a character moves got sound like robocop stopping down and fucking main screen the whole the rest of the just. The atmosphere of oaks stalker. Kidding it's like bleak tar cops and shit but like you said oh here comes a matrix robot. Bit boop boop boop boop which is brilliant. It's such a great decision. Because firstly known of his other films by cyborgs in in the series or his own franchise or had satellite. You sideboards bottling robot sounds which would defeat the purpose of them as like espionage or like for like boy. Would you make a robot that looks exactly like cuban but if it just sounds like a robot time you could presumably making it look like a human is one of the hardest parts of developing the technology. And but it's it's such an odd touch enter remind me of course For for the art film folks. I mean it's like lancelot. Lock the result film which has knights in armor. It's authorian legend and every single movement. They make good here there. there are creaking. and clanking. and you know and it's a very decision brisson made through at the higher move Anytime anyone moves like A grown of the armor. And there's a reason he does that in that film. It highlights a lot of these kind of elements of of how we interact with the pastor. Visions of you know things. We wouldn't even think about it like the fact that if everyone's wearing armor then yeah there would have been a bunch of weird sounds going on let alone matic elements of vulnerability and so on your you can analyze. Why breath song does that till the cows come home. Why pune does the same thing with cyborgs. Really doesn't make any sense because everyone in the movie is a cyborg so you could just say that there's not like there's one person who revealed a human who didn't make those noises to begin with it does not particular reason to do it at carriers also acted like this very well some of them in this stage like doing the eighties robot. Dance on the dance floor like this really staccato movements to go along with it which again new robot in any of his other movies has made this so this is like many years in the future. These robots are like shittier than any of the ones in like slinger or nights. Yeah yup yup. That's said mark marco in the head their interaction really to be add like boy. I wish this wasn't moving. Marco's the some dennis rodman look an android is walking around kicking this head and the head of pune did not have the budget to really make this effect work at all. Any point during the no plus. The head can roll somehow. Which were i. Don't quite understand how that works. Yeah no it's. It's quite confusing. But i i do go back like what joel stern said fontana pew he like. He mentioned it. If this movie in like roshan on zee in any other foreign language but specially in russian. Because as steve mentioned it has this really heavy atmosphere to it like just as waste to us and honestly i think this movie might have been just a lot more popular even even if you change nothing else about if you just made it distinctly foreign to a western audience. I feel people might have had more if like it must be something because of you know 'cause it clearly wants to be read something i feel like there's there's that element where you know if everyone speaking in foreign than it becomes a little bit more worthy of you know digging into or if it's not one of these stupid you know just a bunch of english speakers ponson around which is been filmography of alpin Which was never taken very seriously until a select handful of people including ourselves decided to dive in. Trust me jack. I'm still not taking it especially seriously. Although this this film is it's not it's not rock dumb like nights or anything like that. It's also not as entertaining. But i don't know you wanna give me a samurai film anchored by rutger hauer. I'll take it's pretty solid. Yeah and i'd say for this era particularly like this like ninety six ninety seven rutger hauer this is probably the fillet man. I don't know if he was doing his best work back then so he's engaged very charming. He's a movie stars. Still i feel like i mean. He's obviously not looking what you did in the eighties. But you know still got the charisma. Go into this movie. Yeah he's well cast to. I think in that he is he combines. Kind of a kind of a arm with a kind of chiseled appearance like granted. Granite kind of communicates that he's like maybe not quite human but also could accurately talk you into doing stuff which is exactly his role in this movie. So yeah i mean it's it's a. He's a welcome presence here certainly and probably certainly i. I'm not sure it would have worked. If a one of putin's lesser rate players have been called in to fill in the part. Yup agreed agreed. Well boys think we got to wrap this one up. So that being said jack what he pulled over this week. I'm going to put over at a movie. I watched earlier this week and called equation to unknown. Which is a nineteen eighty hardcore gay porno so hard to those. Your every would feel like being serious about this film i am. I just heard about here and there. Apparently has been lost for a long period of time and was recently rediscovered or at least materials were found that allowed them to do full restoration. They've known this beautiful. Hd restoration of. It looks incredible. The film is it is hard core porn. There's no getting around that. It absolutely is that it is also this. Strangely quiet reverential atmospheric kind of treatment of own. We en- loneliness and kind of the vagaries of romance. What we romance brings us into but we also must exclude. It's really quite beautiful kind of strange film and really quite amazing as as a porno incredibly beautiful relocating credibly. Well staged 'em on just happens to be full of just a lot of guys just choosing on each other so am yeah. Check it out equation to an unknown directed by these credits. Dietrich delta but apparently francis savannah is the director. It's in french to. I don't know if i mentioned that game warned. Some courses database gotta be. That was like the best hard sell for hardcore gay pornography. i've ever heard my entire life often. But you know when you do us. I think he just went shopping during vinegar. Syndromes valentine's day porn sale. So i'm sure you'll be. You'll be giving us the hartselle and a few other soon. Plan all right Virus what he put over this week. I've just thinking to myself policy. Gotta be just thrilled. She decided to dictate that. We bring this segment bay. Are you not gonna be putting over gay porn and at i'm putting over the most Normally thing ever. i'm putting over internet hero rebecca black. She's she's owned this shit and she's backed baby Yeah give that Friday remix fucking. Listen because it is not normal. It's not what you expect it to be. She's she's out there making this like katy perry bubblegum pop and all of a sudden. This thing comes out like what the fuck is s like this. It's very affiliate backs on well to pune expirations in terms of a thing that definitely happened. But we're not sure why you're fridays back. Maybe rebecca way you rule. Yeah great rebecca. I know you're listening. And i just want to say that. There's there's something powerful about you know as a child you release something. And you're you're you're you're pretty much exploited dragged all over the internet for having the worst song ever and you weren't fully cognizant of what you're really creating at the time and here we are you comeback a decade later and instead of being antagonized by an audience as a child. You are doing the antagonizing. This is a very attacking his stick version of your hit song friday. So god bless you for this conceptual masterpiece that you've created omega doom. She's broken free from programming. Shackle a beautiful circle. This is great. I love how lincoln everything back together. That's that's good stuff. What am i putting over this week. You know i'm i'm gonna put over two things. I did this last time to do whatever i want. I played a lot of haiti's lately which i put that over but everybody puts it over. You know everybody's favorite game from last year it's it's really good. It's it's light. it's easy to play through. It's one of those rogue like games. But it's not the kind that just beats you to a pulp and makes you feel terrible about yourself. You actually feel like you're progressing and building towards something which is really nice so yeah haiti's great. You probably already know that. So whatever also because we're going full nor me with the exception of the gay porn. I guess we gotta balance things out here. Hardcore french gate for trying to help. Wherever again was we didn't have a rule that i'm not allowed to put over hardcore gay porn. He always should we not do that in future. No no no. I would actually encourage you. I would say more gay porn Gay porn feature. Perhaps next time. I hear boys in the sand is good. It'd be next sounds good. Yeah getting osama those boys. What's the opposite of hardcore french. Gay pornography. I would say probably a like a tom. Hanks movie from the early nineties. Kate hudson i think isn't it Sleepless in seattle. I watched that the other night. It's meg ryan. Meg ryan's meg ryan not kate hudson. Sorry kate hudson's in music my favorite movie by gates and other braid. Everyone's favorite movie by sia. Yeah it's number one in our hearts and minds it was nominated for two golden globes. How could it possibly be bet. I'm sorry meg ryan. It's good i don't really. I didn't remember anything about it and wanted to wash it. I was like yeah. Let's let's walk and do this and it's funny. It's really funny. It's now when harry met sally levels of funny but it's the same screenwriter. So it's that same kind of wave length and yeah it's it's really joyful. It's my favourite sub-genre of the romcom. Which is psychotic stalker that we endearingly. Just love so yeah. I don't know man if you want like a schmaltzy just pure saccharin romcom. So it's a good way to go. I have no complaints so yeah play a video game. Everyone's already played and watch a movie. Everybody's already watched or maybe gay porn. We don't know if feels this podcast right now. There's a couple of links that you need to be clicking on. The first link is take you to our tunes page and on there you can give us a five star written review. It's very easy. It takes three seconds of your precious precious time and it does men's help for us in our podcast makes us more visible and more visible. We are more people can find us. More people find us. Well the more we can do for you dear listener if you want to up your game and you wanna financially. Donate to us because shawn's microphone. 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"Hey everybody welcome back optimism vaccine. I'm hung over and put them back. It's me stave. join me this week. We got the skeleton crew. Myross doing man. I'm doing all right. I'll let you get that whole intro in there without jumping in like some sort of jackass. Must on to something i'm gone. And then you have a complete fiasco of an episode and like everyone's giving their taxonomy really positive feedback about it and it's got really high download numbers. And we're going to skyrocket defame. That's that's the key. That is the key. Why i guess the key is probably like talk about some stuff that people have heard of right so. That's definitely doing this week right. Jack absolutely we're we're dealing with everyone's favorite leading man on a book just so yeah we'll convert people. I feel bad because this. This is an episode about tim. Thomason all right then. A lot of people are like who the fox tim. Thomas and i think you know a day. He doesn't get enough credit years ago. I would've called him a poor man's tom atkins but he's truly a unique figure but he kind of fills that same nisha of like sex. See old man that is either like thirty or seventy and you're not sure really at any given time and but everybody definitely wants to fuck him like one hundred percent. Tom atkins in halloween three. Who i think he was. He was in his forties. Wasn't he in halloween. Three and then the actress who played the female was she was like twenty two or something. So yeah same. Same vibe. Just really sexy grandpa. that's what we're going for. And i don't know why we set a lot. Tim thomason other than like he is. The quintessential overlooked character. Actor could go to page you. Can scroll for days on that damn thing. it's like. He's done multiple movies per year every year since probably the early one thousand nine hundred eighty s. Not a ton of stuff. You've probably heard of or at least not a lot of classic. Tim thomason roles in big budget movies. But he's he'll surprise you where he pops up. I mean he's in. He's in your favorite john candy movie. Who's harry crumb right. So you know. That's everybody loves that. One tompkins was in fact. Forty seven years old when halloween three kim. Hell yeah how is even alive. But he looks the same way. Yeah he's getting up there now. He's eighty six years old. Yeah he's he's got to be. Yeah eighty six sounds about carson substantially younger than that. But you wouldn't know it. Yeah that was feel our piece Well because i think the other thing with thomas in two is. I don't know he got like a like an old eighties professional wrestler quality to him with his hair where it's like gray. But then he seems to frequently enjoy bleaching it but it just kind of like makes the oldness popout more. he's like ninety s hulk hogan flair. I rick flair is a good player. Hair is do you just as a sunbaked quality. Feel like just like he'd never goes indoors. Yeah like old school like man who grew up in the desert like that is what tim thompson's early days look was because if you consider some of these movies he was. He was still on his thirties when he did trans which he doesn't look like a man detroit no he but he doesn't look he doesn't look like in anything. Go back and find the earliest photo in a recent photo. Tim thomason and tell me the age difference. I was like five years. These take five years apart. No fifty years. It's crazy it doesn't make any sense. I was gonna say. I believe the genesis of why we focus on tim anderson with sort of as an addendum to our pune content like. He's a frequent weaker of elber. Pune so that is what brought him into the forefront. I think chris yeah. Yeah and he's he's really like he's a full moon guy or was a full moon guy back when you could be a full moon guy but the brothers band charles and richard. They love love. Love tim donaldson. But yeah kinda came around with this just because we had been doing the the albert pune episodes. And i'm perfectly fine. Just trying to shoehorn in albert pune into every single episode humanly possible like whenever we can to keep pune peeling the masses and spreading the gospel. But the good thing is this is like this is vintage albert. Pune like this is. This is one of his his more creative periods. I feel and this is a solid movie especially considering our pins. Relationship with full moon was a bit contentious. A little difficult to say. The least and this one i believe he shot doll man. Jack maybe you can help me out. Here he shot back to back with another movie. Which is what the interior sets are actually from. I could probably get a time. Member ought this archaic kate arcade. Yeah and now. I mean man did not have much of a budget. Arcade may have had a little bit larger budget. But it was. It was a big financial disaster. Like it did not do well at all whereas doll man. Maybe it was a little bit more successful but it was a classic charles band film. So if you've got your you've got your charles band bingo card out. You know obviously full moon production on you. Don't do not get to cover the use of charles band personal castle space that there's no castle here but it is a film that was created by an idea and poster. They had a poster that said doll man and then charles was just like words william. Acl's this is the movie. Yeah and albert's like sure why not and what it is is it's kind of like albert. Pune god bless him. He cannot take a simple concept and just like he has to completely pull something apart and reassemble it and make. It is complex and twisty turny as possible so all of a sudden domains. Not just like it's like honey. I shrunk the kids. But it's like oops we shrunk a cop. But he's gonna fuck shit up. No he's a interplanetary traveling space cop and he goes into a wormhole and ends up on earth and then it's just death wish three but with a twelve inch tall. Tim thomason more less. I i'm interested in what the fuck like this. The sessions for crafting this they were like. Because you got a movie called dahlman basit it out the post your why the farkas. This rated aren't featuring like tim. Thomason just like exploding people constantly with some sort of modified handed easily like one of goriest movies like literally. The doll not has gone. That just makes people blow up. That's major plot. Yeah yeah it. Also base Yeah lot point and then also the other thing that it does is it. Rearranges the cells in your body or something like that so even if he just grazes you with it you just slowly bleed to death internally or something that's that's great. Yeah very gory very gory. And it's even better in the in the beginning in. Thomas is just a cop on his earth like futuristic planet basically like the blade runner planet and because then when when he's shooting normal size like earth humans that are ten times bigger than whatever the gun it blows substantial holes in these large men. But here if he shoots you with this gun you you just disintegrate completely. So it's very much in the main of death. Wish three when charles bronson gets his special hand cannon that just puts bowling ball sized holes and thugs and near dwells but it's incredible and domain starts off with the greatest the greatest sequences film history. The great. yeah. Let's let's get you could you could take your rosebud yet. I know this is the most important scene ever committed to film and again if you're not familiar with thomason if you're not familiar with like the greater full moon universe this is an absolute high point for pune thomasson full mode everyone involved. It's just like tears. We'll be streaming down your face. But essentially it's it almost lifted from another movie but it begins with a gag where a criminal bus into. What looks like a sewer but is actually like some sort of underground laundromat or something and then the cops don't know what to do and the criminal. The laundry met for no really stated reason that i can tell is full of fat women and when i say big real big fat children to and there's like fat women yeah tons of fads shoulder no fat dudes and this guy he just. He just wraps himself in fat. Ladies like you just ties a crepe literally they just keep talking about how. There's just fat people in there with him. That's the state of is that they're so fast that they don't know what to do is just like a nineteen ninety-one trope i'm unaware os like that laundromats family it's baffling added. But it's obviously. It's not exactly pc but it. I mean it's really funny. Because just it doesn't i don't understand what prompted the existence of this because it is literally just like other our which is very fat at egypt. Surrounded himself with people at the police are like there's fat kako he's surrounded by tat and this keep going around around in circles until man himself shows up to save the day by wandering in there in doing laundry literally. Yeah and it's important because it's to know that not only did they keep talking about the fat stuff even though it doesn't matter like this could play out with literally anyway. He walks into a laundromat and he and he has these ropy any ties. Wherever's there around him it's still the same. It doesn't make any difference. What do you have five. Fat people are just by. People really doesn't make a difference. And then they their fatty fat fats. Fatty for fat fat fat fat fat on and on and on and on. But it's not really played for laughs at all. I don't have any like thomason. Is he's killed at the scene. But i that. I take no offense to all the deeds that are occurring here by glorious. It is good. Yeah no he just. They're like how are you going to solve this situation. Brick by the way brick bardo. 'cause it's a fucking brick part of this is debris bar forget about your other brick bartos but yeah how you gonna solve this one brick. And he's like do some laundry and he just walks in and starts doing a fucking old school load laundry and the kidnapping screaming at him. And he's like we better put your gun down before i blow these fat bitches all over you. The fact kids are gonna to be smeared all over the walls. Like what in the hell am i watch. You see how to oddly cruel at yet legacy. It feels like a joke but is it a joke. It's unclear i have no idea. No there's a real lightness to a lot of stuff. That pune does like the only time. I can really think of one of his movies where it's like very very super like dire and serious. There's there's kind of a series seriousness. Undercurrent to cyborg. But it's also goofiest shit so it's balanced there but like dull man. Is it the way. Our opinions brain is wired. I don't understand but it's it really is in credit. Is the guy that thing where no one in their right mind can think of this album. Pune is a genius and this is one of the best scenes ever because it is. It's like it just works at its. It's silly but it's not played for laughs but it's funny but it makes jim thomas and seem like a bad ass even though it's this completely ridiculous scenario. I don't know it's great so if you're gonna to watch anything here watch at least the first twenty minutes of doll man. Yeah you gotta keep watching it. Because that's that's just like kicks into high fucking gear. You'll like what fuck this seems like. It should be a kid's movie and people are the goriest yet who washed a western which that like the the high noon showdown involved several people. Exploding holiyay yeah. It's it's pretty incredible stuff. Then it gets a little ropey a little bit. I wish that this wasn't a doll man. Movie like i wish this was transfers or just our pune makes a dumb blade runner movie or like a futuristic cop movie or something anything else because everything up until when thomason hits earth and becomes the tiller doll man like all of its fucking gold. That movie i want. There's the fat lady scene and then we moved to. There's a gang of guys that are led by a floating head and the reason that he's a floating head is because tim thomason. Mr brick bardo himself has over the years. Just like blown off all this guy's limbs eventually decapitated him and he's just like diminishing what medical science can do these days. Oh my this is wonderful wonderful. I just want to cook this shit up out of spoon and injected into my veins. It's so good and then they're like oh we're going to go to earth and now the next thirty minutes of the movie. It's going to be tim. Thomason being grumpy as a tiny baby size man while people gawk them and go look at the tiny baby. I would say the issue doll man. Like if discuss the film it's it's episodic and it's it's it's worth mentioning at the end this movie we get the the like trademark albert pune extended actors montage which is purely. They're stretched film out over a certain length. Like donman feels incredibly episode. Ended also still comes in mid-week seventy minutes total and so the first section on his home planet. it's great. Then he shows up is like a middle section where he's honor and it turns out a small at injure. Some gang members is like a new york sober brazil like new york inner place. It's being terrorized by this gang issues. Up dropped something saves of woman who's also like a social activists there. She saves her from gang members. Who were going to kill her. If she's like raising awareness about these being that so he blows up a few guys and then at the last section is basically kind of everything what he chases the head to the whole so he has faced off against the head. Also the gang leader and it's sorta like three acts that don't really follow logically from each other. It's it's it's like it's switches gears three now also had never faced off against the head. Fuck it all set swatted. The head thing is bizarre because it seems like there's a point where things are coming to ahead and like it seems like you're gonna have this clash like the one of the gang members the lead gang guys gets blasted and the head has the antidote to reduce the cellular decay of brick bartos gun. And so he's he fixes him and then it goes in the direction you think it's going to go on. Which is he's like okay. Well i helped you. You gotta help me. And i'm in charge now and blah blah blah. This little head is dictating and the guy goes nah and he just takes the palm hand squish is the fuck it ahead and then in my in my head. I'm thinking okay i bet that because the gag before was this head can't die like people keep putting it back. Someone's going to put the head back together. There's no it's just gone. And it sucks because the head is great. He's awesome like it's literally it's a drone with a fucking face on it. What else do you want in life. It's a great villain and our opinions just like fuck it gang leader. He squashes him. It's by for young. Jackie earle. Haley kind of weird seemed show appear as he kind of is selling the movies probably on the points movie because he gives a kind of quality intensiveness to his his character but yet the movie starts feeling like a weird after school special. There's like there's there's a whole scene of like a press conference where police commissioner comes into talk about. You know raising awareness knit community in these like all stuffed suit politician. But it's like a known this seems to matter at all we don't even. I don't even mention a neighborhood. I don't think that it's like on. Remember his face in new york. I don't even know it is. This is a very wish. I doubt clarifies space but yeah i mean it's it's not shot there so it's also it's very very fucking lead in the film. One that has dropped believe. It's so yeah it's just one of the things am it just feels like it would have been better if they just stayed on the planet but all men would have just been regular man. So that's the problem. We have middle section. That's based like show like gangs or bad what's going to happen. It's kinda like we kinda what's going to happen Sagging of tension and then the end turned the bats which i suppose works pretty. Well frankly yeah we got a pune regular events inclined back again just to get fucked shotton scream a lot. He doesn't have the. I didn't get to do in movie. Pretty much spins solitaire. Two thirds the movie dying almost as much these doing in the same amount same amount. Yeah it's it's just wild because this really is it's such a bizarre quintessentially albert pune thing to have this kind of frankenstein amalgamation of a movie that it starts off as like renegade cop blade runner and then it switches into bizarro sifi. Munchkin man's social commentary and. Yeah it it's so much of this is death. Wish three to me like almost every every single element once he hits earth. It's just like like you said like the empty suit like well. There's a lot of blocks. We gotta clean up and who's to say. This is the most important one. Oh so clearly it's street. Justice is the only justice and then at some point. They they toy with the idea. They're like well is it. Okay that the little guy is just murdering people on the streets and and then they're kind of like yeah. I think so. Don't really revisit that it really does show on the planet. You should start shooting any never stops like he's just single never started he just opens fire and kills everyone in a shower of gore and the fact that his very existence doesn't seem to cause any issues or serious problems like there's no side plot about people like there's a little tiny man murdering people on the like. There's a part where the gang comes to this woman's house and the woman is the person who discovered titular doll man and almond is is there and the gang finds out that go up to her house they bussed in they got their guns and then doll man climbs out. It was a little doorman spaceship and murders the shit out of like a dozen dudes in this tiny like three hundred square foot bronx apartment floor to ceiling. It's not like that seriously and then smash cut to her scrubbing the last of the blood off the wall and tim towers co pay. Fix that but like right before that. It's like the cops just left. That's what she was scrubbing. And you're like ooh. What did she tell the police. At this point. These guys game in. They all just shot each other. It was weird nothing to see here. This movie is grand mystery in many ways. Because it's the premise. That is designed for children would really only appeal to children and that it's tried to do like i mean it's hand waving. I suppose but it feels like it's earnestly trying to say something about like urban life and crime and explore in the most half assed way like the causes of that and the effects of it on the neighborhood and also it's just the dumbest goddamn action movie you've ever seen so nowhere along the line is fit together. It's either a hyper action film. Social commentary or a movie for small children and it it kind of works because pune is is like a good director like there are parts of this that look impressive. Great montages in this film again. The opening is fantastic. Some of the gore effects are top notch. But it's called man shouldn't the entire. I'm talking about things that look impressive. In a movie called dahlman you would think we would be talking about this force perspective stuff like really playing with the size and shape of things but no. That's like not in the fucking movie. And i'd say like the the effects that they have a couple of like they did do a little bit of green screen worker like superman position to create. You know where he's in the foreground small and everyone in the background big. There's a few forced perspective shots where he's like standing experts obviously like a giant model of something that's small to make. It looks like they don't have the budget to lead into the special effects. L. into this map paintings in the in the original world create their like blade runner futuristic. Kind of like s cityscape. We did they don't really have the special effects and seems like want money. They did have rather than leaning into. He's small in everyone else's big they. Just lean into mega man blow up. Its just choice for a movie called fuck. I mean at the end of it doesn't matter that he's like when he shows up the only time when the scale actually matters is for ultimately joke. In finale which is at the edge was escaped. Has this incredibly powerful bomb that can destroy the world. He's come from annual. Everyone's very worried about this. As he's threatening to deploy it and doll man chases him any eventually he he if saddam to to the the gang leader who ultimately detonates it. And they're like oh no. He's detonated the ultimate explosive. It's gonna destroy everything and it's just like a big explosion but it's a big off explosions blows up one building. And that's like the only only reference to size particularly within the rest the film. it doesn't look dominant. could just be charles bronson. Wouldn't he just be space. Vanina jacket people. You know why no work didn't like dick jokes about harry's the thirteen inch man. The movie also conclude on a dick joke. He's like i hope size matter as romantic fashioned between these characters which it's not as we open this talking about season of the witch so on women just throw themselves at the thirteen inch. Version is gonna crawl inside of her and user clitoris boxing. Speed for her kid like are you. My new dad would have been qualify because of all like this. It's this and six. He doesn't like have an ounce of humanity or pat those throughout the entire movie. He's just fucking dirty harry. Dick bag walks burner. actually he's a murderous grump and also the fact that like they tease a little bit of the romance stuff at the end like you said but there's no chemistry at all. No between him and the lead actress like she. I mean no. It's not going to happen. It's funny the lead. Actress has gone onto direct several documentaries about you know feminism an interview like. She's made several film documentaries so weird. She showed up this movie. That is kind of like thinks. It might be an issue movie but isn't really His radical hall. He's like fuck bishen. I'm going to make my own movies. Weird because normally i mean it's not like there are thousand movies where some hard boiled jackass inexplicably fucking get. Some has no romantic chemistry with the end of the film. But usually there's there would be like a scene or two of like dahl man like helping her son in some way or another but now none of the year at all. No connective super funny film. That then needs to stick an extra a montage of the cast onto the end. just make feature. Yeah couldn't have been bothered. Couldn't have been bothered but hey it it has another hour pune favorite of mine. Which is it looks like anything that wasn't shot on a sound stage for the apartment. Interiors was definitely shot. Probably like like yugoslavia or something so it's got that nice bombed out gravel pit. Look that i'd say probably about fifty percent of albert's movies have that but it's good for the perspective stuff the same places nemesis if you've seen pewnce nemesis. It's all the same. That like the gravel pit thing. I don't know what it is like. A ruined the exact same buildings. Yeah and but it is. It's perfect for this. Because i mean if you have a close up of tim thomason dahlman next to a giant boulder or whatever then it looks like and then you have a regular guy next to a giant. It's all the same shit like there's just rocks everywhere so it's easy to to not address the fact that he small and they're big because there's one scene really only one scene where there's a shot where it's like tim. Thomason is standing on some dirt and then the woman is directly in front of kind of kneeling down and looking at this. I don't know what it is. It's not it's some sort of like early green screen overlay business. It looks like utter shit so we only does it the one time which is fine like he's able to work around but it's it is it's just funny because of technical limitations and what the script is. There's no reason for. Tim thomason to be twelve inches tall aside from the dick jokes for ten sentenced to thirteen inches. I'm sorry does twelve because it directly the script several times. Thirteen inch man because the coworker wants to stick in regina or so yeah she wants. She wants to sit on him. So let's at least eight one. This this thing is. I guess you could be a. I'm gonna give thomason a pass because it's it's tough for me to say. He did not have romantic chemistry with the female lead because he sims amerson scott sexual chemistry with everyone right. Well i think everybody just wants to fuck him. But that's different you know. I don't even think they. How much is this. would they even shooting together. Frankly because it's all like overlaid and perspective stuff like they probably barely at all shared the screen even yeah. I can't imagine that they were stuck together very often. I don't know in and say again. I much disparages for will. We're works it really. It's like it's really fun honestly is very easy to watch. It does sag a little bit but honestly this is. You know pretty solid entertainment. It were and it doesn't make sense while things happened. But you're not gonna complain too much now. I'm in of all of charles band where he's obsessed with like tiny things wandering around. This is the best one. I'll give it that. Yeah i mean even stuart. Gordon's almost is that was full. Choke it now on that. That is dead as far superior special effects but otherwise. It's not anywhere near as fun. It's like honest. Should split the several years of production. It's not really realistic to do this. But you know. I think there were several years. Homer was was dolls earlier in the eighty dollars. All the way nine one dollars is definitely significantly ninety. Yeah that's what. I was thinking. Ninety one dollars was made in the eighties but they have they should. They should shared the shared the money on the special effects of elba because donald special effects are far too good for a film that just kinda boring. That's one has requires special effects and clearly can't afford them houses eighty-seven well earlier. Yeah you know i mean. It's i wish he would go back to. I guess they're still making puppet master movies. I don't know if they've done a demonic toys film but charles band seems to be all about the ginger dead man and the evil bong. These days doll man faces off against demonic toys of leave them. I've not seen it. That's a fun. One quips clip show movies. It's real great sure. Do the silent night deadly night two of the full moon universe. I've got to go ahead and record. We use skip dobbin versus demonic toys. And but don't skip down man if you like these sorta like tv ropy eighties nineties. It's fun fun movie. Yeah it's a good shit. Well a few years before doll man we got. We got a younger. Tim thomason and by younger. I mean you would know the fucking difference. And he's not hurtling through space. No he's time travelling because in the future the big quake kits and everyone in bakersfield suddenly has beachfront property in los angeles is under the ocean and presumably optimism. Vaccine contributor. jake appeal is floating around somewhere. But there's i try to. These things called transfers in trance herself sewing bee movie. And no no no there. I don't know what they are. The fuck is a translator. This is what the movie's called transfers. That i still don't know what a transfer is. Someone held me. It's like it's like a cult where the cult members can transform into zombies. And that's that's like the full of what they hide in plain sight as regular people until the cult leader makes him transform into into som- bees. And that's all you're gonna get like yeah. There is no clear his mind control but it also transforms your body quite clear so somewhat unclear as to as to whether these people have like willingly are. Are they willingly in the thrall of this whistler fellow or have they been subverter day. Is this kind of all over the place. I'm not entirely sure. It seems like he can do we will. They mentioned that at one point. But yet you're right. I mean technically maybe weak willed means they sign over to his all achie- i just the ethanol hops of certain pointer. Who's the greatest man we were met. But then again you've got like mall. Santas mall santa like part of this culture. Sieges like been subsumed. In some way it's unclear it is unclear. Yeah i think. It's i think it's like it's like dracula's gays type of thing because he tries to he tries to do it to hunt it. Yeah by the way. Helen hunt's in this meaning on this. Yeah and boy. What a great wardrobe on. Helen hunt guys. Two guys were canceling helen hunt in the year. Two thousand nine hundred eleven because in one thousand nine hundred eighty seven. Someone wardrobe was like. Excuse me y'all young helen hunt. Here's your jean jacket and she said oh. This is nice. I wish she could jazz it up a bit. And they're like great and they sowed a giant confederate flag on the back punk. Rock's the why i do know. It's warm with confederate flags that like a major thing like that. The person who made the wardrobe choice thought it was a fucking unions. Because she's supposed to be punk told that action. That's very likely i mean. Yeah and the fact that is supposed to be a punk too and this is god damn hilarious because she is just like wholesome as shit and she. She's got this beautiful like feathered wavy blonde hair. She looks great wonderful. Looks like have like helen hunt straight. She's twenty two year old or whatever and she she's got a rare. She's a polk which you can barely see us. I mean it sounds like that's pronounce. She looks like like she did. She went to a huey lewis and the news. Concert was home by eight thirty. That's that's what she looks like is not punk rock. She's not like say tim albertson's character. Who is named the lead their bad movie right there. It's like oh what. Could we name our. Make jack default but i like it when i'm is the movie though is at one point he points at someone else's name with like you're name was shack debt and yet whoa he read even in the movie acknowledged stupid day but it's you would think it would be like his like post apocalypse name or something like right. We're gonna send you back to your relatives body. Philip death nope everybody's name death. It's great we love it. Yeah that is the plot of this movie. By the way. Tim thomason is set back through time into the body of his ancestor in order to stop whistler from killing some council of world leaders. Yeah he's great. He's gonna kill their ancestors so they never exist so he can then take over forever so basically. This movie is charles band. Director was dislike. Damn i want to name a character jack death and then also like some idiot dude if you could time travel would you go back in time and kill baby hitler and was just like there's plot this is it's a baby hitler problem because old whistler is yeah he's time travelling to kill the great great grandparents of the world council. That is good. or something. In the post apocalyptic future but it's why are they good by the way. I've injected seems to hate these people except at the end is like through the greatest leaders who ever lived. I know everything's like shit six even more on top of that. It's complicated and often terms that we have like a hardboiled. Call we've spoken. L. a post apocalyptic future and then we have time travel and we also elements question questionable. Punky those on top of that. We also have like james bond gadgets sent him back with like a revolver with lega serum hidden in the handle and then also time stop watch which uses You know the first time we're like okay and then he just uses the exact same gadget again and it's kinda like why did they say that view only got one use from you watch. What is an understood this because midway through the film when art leflore comes back as a small blonde girl and chastises jack return to the future for absolutely no fly zone in hot checks. It does nothing but interrupt the flow of the plot but He goes back to the future briefly so we can have a joke about how he didn't get laid kasit. He was taken out of the body. Mid coitus. But i think at that point they must have given him a second charge on the. What did they do. we give him the second one. I'm just saying that they gave it to him. And they're like you can use it once and that would seem like a like a script limitation james bond. He really usually usually on uses a gadget on time. You know that's just kinda like would see. Took him another one will let him use it again. Why not just. It's not as good. The second time on turns. Charles band is kind of an idiot. Charles van movie. Charles band is sitting in the big chair for this one. Yeah he this. This is the real charles. I mean he didn't write it. I gas but he's the director's chairs and there's some. There's some decisions being made for sheriff some questionable decisions. Stevie say he didn't write it but maybe he approved the poster which the band organization is the sad that sets writing. Yeah that's it's identical. I you know it's easy to kinda nit-pick and do stupid shit with time travel movies because they just automatically create dumb plot holes. I do love how this movie like. It creates a hole in the beginning. And then the moment that you go well. That's fucking stupid jack. Death goes this is fucking stupid so basically when they're sending him back there we have. We have the body of whistler here and he's just like why and so he could stand trial like fuck that you just shoot stupid like blows him up. Let's get be proper. Blows up the fuck up with a handgun for power of ten to punish you. Yeah anytime thomason grabs a gun like his raw masculinity and sexual energy is channelled into the bullets and they just explode but then the other the other issue that creates most this time travel. So if you're just like whatever who fucking cares don't don't get caught up in the machinations of time travel nerd stuff. But there's when the movie has its climax and jag death and whistler faceoff. There is a moment where jack death has been. Sent back in time with two syrups. Okay because he can't just like shoot this cop guy in the past because no no. We don't do things that way. Unless you're jack death and you kind of do anyways you have to use the serum and the serum will take the person out of their ancestors body and shoot them. Back to post apocalyptic present day back into their own body and whistler's case he would just i would go back to pile of goo because jack death mop but there's this moment of hesitation because he supposed to have to he's supposed to have one for whistler and one for himself and he goes to take them out and he's just like oh no. I only have one left. What am i gonna do now. Obviously he's going to poke whistler and stay in one thousand nine hundred eighties america but but there's he's boss not like twenty minutes prior show up and like yes so stop having sacks why couldn't they just send more back. It doesn't seem that big of a fucking issue. So what's the difference between whistler the serum and shooting them in the fucking head. I guess that they would have killed the honorable lieutenant. Or whatever i guess. Yeah who cares would have robbed his his yet. It's not the sins of the father. You be executing innocent people in in the time line. I always yeah. He did is a lot of transients. Well france or element the banner high because it doesn't make any sense but other than that i mean. It's not surprised he stays like he lives in a futuristic. Waste like they've got some still for like ever like he gets a burger in our time and it's like it's real beef that's credited like clearly. Our time is preferable of plenty. He drives around the sweet car that he really likes. He can eat real animal. That's the other part to. it's shocking. That he even cares because the entire time he's he's like. Wow this is great. And the like damn. I can't go back to like living in a hovel. Where everyone is a mutant idiot. What am i gonna dive to pick up the chinese theater sign off the bottom of the ocean like come on man what the jets have ended doesn't like the most like a grizzled detective in one of these movies gets like faithful dog psychic. He doesn't even have that. There's nothing to keep him now in the future. So yeah it's a no brainer. Why would he came in. He likes softens a little bit. He's still a hard nosed fucking asshole. He's the lease. Like i have no idea why why. Helen hunt wants to bang him other than he goes to a punk club in like a three piece suit and punches. Ten guys in the maybe. That's attractive. I don't know or maybe it's when he's leaving the house. She's sleeping with his his forebear beforehand. I guess and he seems like a piece of shit like yuppie asshole or yeah he transforms into like hard boiled cop jackass and she falls madly in love with him. I don't know. I wonder if jag has feelings about helen. Hunt banging his great grandpa and him. Well no he is his great. He's his own. Grandpa talk about not killing not killing forebears i made he pretty much raises his own family. Lying bunch it's taking stealing is great. Great grandad's bought yeah which could be an ethical concerns to believe is that this is the terminator scenario. We know he is the. Kyle reese here. He was always he was pregnant. Helen hunt and stay in the past. And and create this line. Which i don't think it really works on the same level as like a close time lupus as something like terminator because obviously all of the council people who were wiped out by whistler at some point exists. It's not nearly so tight but it is an interesting comparison because that was immediately what i thought of what this movie was like. This is a terminator nonaka. But it's not a sermon nocco because it's concurrent with terminator parallel thinking. Yeah it's do. We have to have the release dates. 'cause i wouldn't be surprised if terminator like hit on like july first in open. That charles van couldn't have transfers at why like july third. Charles band saw the terminator poster and he was just like i can do this. What if no robots we know money robots now no no money. Johnson translators predates terminator by five months. I'm lying it's listed for the release. Date is nine eighty-five so It's it's actually. I was thinking to october. But it's actually october to may so it actually released in theaters in the united states. Seven months after terminators. So maybe it is the terminator ripa but wiesel one thousand nine hundred four five me who the fuck knows. Probably like i said. That's probably when the copyrighted title in the poster. Then shot like three scenes on shell until something else came up. I mean the full moon. Production line is absolutely shamsher. Thank you very much sir empire. That's right start. Were before full moon at this point where we're in the empire house worse cannon but again we make fun of this movie i i must say. This movie doesn't work well for me. It's like very segmented episodes. But i think it maintains somewhat higher degree of interest for me. This one i had. I struggled with this one because it really feels like the bat is kind of like the middle section at the back of like the final section of the film does just enormous amount of overlap. in terms of what's happening it just feels like movie should probably be forty minutes long or like fifty minutes long. It's early repeat the watch gagging. There's like an extended shea said it's kinda like you just there's no new idea to boost fennell like you. I mean steve as you mentioned when it comes down to the the problem of like a you know you can't get back to the future. It's like it doesn't matter the already clarify. They can pretty much go back whenever the app this one. Not not a bad movie to me by them. Definitely even on its major. Trappings found like my attention. Waning a little bit like the last twenty minutes that really ruins a lot of these things. It's the same thing here as it was with almond worth their is no. We can't breed. We can't have downtime of these movies. There's no good reason for that because this movie works a lot better. What is this like fucking gruff as tim. Thomason hunt like hanging out. They do have chemistry. I like to see developed in the loom as opposed to just like yeah recycling that slow mo thing that they couldn't pull off the fucking first place and it's also much like dominant. I think it has a great intro. Like i was on board for this thing from the job because it's like. Oh wow this is diner scene and then the whole setting of the ruined. La is actually surprisingly well executed. Fresh charles a common problem with these movies is that they front load with the good stuff like the world building kind of Problem that will hit with the next room. We discussed as well. I think all the movies have like the first half is like the first opening sequences. Pretty interesting it's kind of an alternate world a lot more effects to be used in terms of like you know city skylines and so on and technology being displayed. 'cause it's january the other worldly place but then the narrative for budget reasons they can only afford to do that at the star to make it look interesting give a hope and then after return to earth just kind of like because that's actually the cheapest place to shoes and you're always like going with man you know. What would you show me the future places like the fat laundromat. Ladies choir we. Are we leaving there. That was this movie has the added benefit. Though that has no reason why couldn't be equally cheap and just like extend out some of these scenes between thomason and hans like just hang out above a punk club and shit. I'm on board for that. Give me ten more minutes of that. A one or maybe even two scenes of fucking slow mo watch because it just sucks ass. It's fucking terrible. It the irony that these movies seat fee simultaneously like hurried and also not you know like hurried and also padded padded with scenes. That would actually work best for like this. The oh they seem to miss out on a lot of those things. 'cause i guess probably This commerce in haunt hanging out and just kind of getting to know each other requires scriptwriter to do something whereas we go to a new location and someone attacks thomas shoots them is know they can knock that one easy attacking its action. It's preferable it's kinda gets older bit a little bit boring but you know. I'm coming down a little hard on this transis. Honestly now you say for charlotte's ban production. This is a pretty pretty solid. It's it's you wouldn't hate us. I don't think i can't imagine would watch this and be like. Oh my god. That's noticeably terrible. I think it's probably as far as directing and charles band is directed a staggering sixty eight films. But i think this is probably as best movie at it is what thomasson is has been enduringly popular for for whatever reason. Jack death is a character that persisted all the way into evil bong in two thousand and six six transfers movies. there's they all have great subtitles to transfers. Three death lives or Transfers five sudden death unfortunately two thousand dues direct video transfer. Six did not feature tim. Tom iverson but it does have a woman in the lead. Czyz zet. I don't even know how to say. Her name. sullivan is her. I don't know someone is woman. And the tagline is same attitude different sects. You will note that. Although tim thomason does not appear fill that his face appears the Yeah yeah so so. Yeah i guess so jack jack. Jeff travel time but he awakens in the body of his daughter. So that's that's how you get around the thomason thing. So op damn. It's a shame we didn't do a multi part transfers only podcasts. I'm sure if you wanna talk about things that people are just bagging us for we can do. We could do a transfer six freaky friday or whatever thirty or one of those we. There's one of them were the body swap gender bodies this zach. Ephron one is that was remember what about juliana man's in amanda bines one. Yeah we do that. That be shit. Do what about the rob schneider one. Doesn't he even worse. Yeah i did. Kind of yeah. I was another approach i consider. What pitching a tomor cast was just a run through the transfers series but affair. This would be more fun because this is a three movies. We're looking at but at least they're not like transfers five which real great done death spawned all right. Well yeah transfers. It's good shit again like if you don't you have an experienced team thomason. I think the three movies you're talking about today. That's that's the best way to kind of dip your toes in with him and experienced everything that he can do. Which apparently is mostly just hard boiled cop until of trenchcoat action lot of trench coat action until you get to cherry two thousand from one thousand nine hundred eighty seven where he does a complete one eighty in terms of his character and i did not know thomason had range like this nor did i think that in a movie where he's nowhere near top billing he completely blows all the other performances out of the out of the water. Like melanie. griffith is in here. Who fucking cares like. she's fine. the guy who plays the male lead What's his face andrews. David andrews vols. I you could have possibly get. They wanted 'cause his his character is like oh he's corporate square and his sex robot break so asked to do tarkovsky stocker to get his his buckle robot. He's horrible. He's easy so wouldn't and then the fact that we're supposed to believe that. He has chemistry with melanie griffith and that he somehow knows how to like. Shoot a gun and be a cool action hero. He can't sell this at all. He's fucking terrible. No his character makes no sense. Because like you said he clearly was cast to be the corporate bureaucrat square but then it turns out. His character is like an army vet. Y'all you like who flies planes in shoots and but at the end of the. He's one of those guys but he also like just caught dead life in just got it like a doll that he just kind of has a romantic relationship with and then a woman he meets a real woman decides. That's better and she's like. Oh this is a guy for me. Like i'm a tough token woman who just my own thing goes into the wastelands and shoots people and takes care of myself. And i'm absolutely down for this incredibly boring guy who likes pork aerob- awesome. Yeah really yeah. There's a lot wrong with disallow wrong with this movie. It's not really bad. But also i think it's worth mentioning out the gate. This is like this movie had like a budget. Ten million dollars right so we're talking to. This is a whole other league of phil aching for them to have mistakes like this. They just did. They see much bigger problems here because clearly. This is a film that people should have been around to address some of these issues because they're pretty glaring though. The you know your lead actor miscast I don't even know if the actor Is he doing a bad job. He just not that guy who should have been. It's like he just can't pull off what they're asking. I don't think it's not like you're watching him. Seem to seeing going god. He's terrible actor. But he just never clicks like nothing alex with him. It's kind of like fucking boring. Just give me an amelio estevez's type and they bring this guy in and he just doesn't have the it and this sort of movie needs chemistry. It needs to be entirely built on the chemistry. These two leads and there is none. And i don't really blame melody griffith for that but Nothing she does pretty well on a sleep at she. She's not fat and movie and apparently she looked like she was breastfeeding her. Newborn child onset. While doing this movie you know who Gotta passion actually putting in the hours on cherry two thousand but yeah i think melanie griffith's does pretty well Just kind of undercut this movie. Where she's she's the kick ass person and then suddenly also the stupid bureaucratic guy is also a kick ass personnel. Doesn't make any sense to the wire her if he's also just able to get guns and shit most felt like it's just a weird set off especially because she's like her character is i. It's not like it's not jack death or the dull manner lardo. She's not flashy action hero. Like she's very just kinda chill downbeat with everything which is fine but then when you pair her with bowl of oatmeal in man form. It just doesn't it doesn't work that well and the chemistry that develops it's not really a chemistry at all. Yeah i i guess i guess getting to the essence of what. This movie is out the gate where like fuck it. But i liked this movie. I think of the three. This was actually my favorite. It's my favorite. Because of tim thomason but it really is. It creates this kind of interesting world. Just like the other two movies where it starts off with this really great world building and then kind of veers off into slightly different direction. But i guess in the future. I'm not sure if there's like a general lady shortage or what but apparently most people are. Just gimme a robot. Fuck doll and i will take my robot fucked off and then to to actually get a like figure go real woman you have to go to these bars right mean this sounds like so you go to a bar and you talk to a woman if she likes you. Yeah it's like that but you go in and they have like lawyer like negotiations so you have to negotiate to get a woman who will pay so it's more of like a business transaction and the whole reason why mr oatmeal bowl loves his fuck daw is because he feels like she's real and she really cares about him even though she's a fucking robot so when they're poking in a pilot bobby short circuits and dies or whatever then he has to go to the wasteland in a stalker esque adventure to find a new model fuck because he can at any model fuck doll. He's gotta have the cherry two thousand. The ultimate fuck doll. It's very strange. Considering he seems to have this personality this was matter. Assert support like yeah cherry. Nine hundred ninety nine and be just as well well yet the things in opening this because we have first off is a shortage of women and while. I don't recall there being any our no. They don't really clarify that. Relations have devolved in in a very like nine thousand nine hundred eighty s way that we could see things going in the future in the eighties. But that's just like everything's illegal negotiation in an interpersonal relationships are transactional and there. You go which. I guess. I guess that feeds into the next. Which is the also bring up. The there's like a massive parts shortage that they're recycling is the main industry now because they basically after harvest previously bill goods for her materials m. A so i guess it makes sense. Maybe no wants to have kids anymore. barely enough to go round people which means that. I don't know why anything else happens. It feels like there those two elements of like the the gender politics and this kind of massive focus on harvesting previously built consumer goods and repurposing. Them they feel like there's enough film in there to extrapolate something but instead that's just sort of like the first twenty minutes and then it's kinda like look you just gotta go out into the wastelands to find. There's like for some reason in the wasteland search just a building full of sex robots that have never been. You can grab one but it's very dangerous to go there. So we have to hire a tracker and share or not sherry at at malley. Griffith's character at johnson the surname e johnson mink. She's a tracker. And so he hires her. And they venture off into the wastelands which are ruled by leicester which which is a really good name for your chief villain who also happens to be tim palmer and this is great to and honestly like this the miscast of the male lead and the few other little missteps here. I think really hold back this movie from greatness because tom iverson villain is fucking amazing. I mean it plays with these. These very nineteen eighties. Like myra says like like gender ideas about like relationships being transactional and this that and the other thing but when you get to thomasson thomasson is this psychopath. Who plays judge jury and executioner out the wastelands. But he's like a nineteen sixties. Like not not a beatnik but like a like a fuck dad like house the white picket fence and two point five children and a dog. She's like yeah. You know. I don't wanna be angry. He's like he's like you know your your your neighbor that you don't wanna talk to. They always talk to you anyways. Except he's probably got like i don't know women chained in his basement or a couple of dead bodies lying around but thomason has is like this one thousand nine hundred nineteen sixties ideal man but baked into lord humongous from not warriors so thomson plays it amazingly like he does it with just enough nuance and there's so much just don't know personality and humor baked into the character and then when he flies off the handle and kill someone. It just feels like a natural extension of this really. Nice dad barbecuing hawaiian shirt. It's genuinely shocking. Muhammad this movie is like pg thirteen in the late eighties. So is a little bit more off the hope but like pretty much the intro to him being like you you. I was like okay. He just he just seems like kind of crazy guy a little bit all on and then he just has his lackeys chain a guy up put a paper bag on his head and then executes him with our today. What the hell. It's it's a pretty like an effectively shocking. Set piece to go like okay. We're not in a place that functions normally anymore thomson is not just slightly all. He's used a full blown. Go back yeah. He's see this movie because we talked with. There's no chemistry. Really between arlene guy and melanie griffith character and so much movie. Ease them hanging out so when homer simpson shows off. It's like shot in the arm. It's like the starts going again and it's really fantastic you say carson is way down at the credits this movie you know. He's he's fourth fifth sixth credited but is the chief Like honestly the movie hits. Yeah without him. This would be tall. I think we probably saw this likes stephen. I saw this in a decade back. I would say and it was something. I fondly remembered like. Oh that's that's a really good movie. Like i had so much fun with but what year remembering is tim. Tom iverson and coming back to it. I was hoping i was like oh jackson ever seen this. This'll be fun and it is not a bad movie. Like like we're saying it is now is a very flawed movie and it was the movie that i was really disappointed to come back to and frustrated with a lot of the time because there's so many elements in this thing that just don't quite come to get the something slightly off and a lot of it is is the lead but this other stuff too like the the action in this film there are like some. There's a big set piece on the cover feature with the car hanging from this magnet. And i don't even know they film this out in the desert and they like fucking either. It's an amazing effect. Or they fucking like blew up like a goddamn piece like the grand canyon or something in a way that they church. It's incredible by blow up like a fucking macer. Whatever doesn't seem kosher but they did and it's somehow is so flat like all of the then huge action sequence where all those crazy shit is happening. it's not exciting something slightly off about it. Yeah i know. I it is. It's weird that like you said. There's so many huge set pieces that just feel kind of like muted and they're lacking in excitement but where it sizzles is just i dunno like all the all the time or some shit and then his lady sidekick ginger is fucking hilarious too because she's totally like bought into tim thompson's characters Just philosophy of life. This weird steps stepford white. But she's yates The assumption i was working under for films that oh she must be a robot. Mommy she is no no. That's the best part. But yeah there's like this is just like all right. We gotta go chase these guys down like it's it's literally mad. Max like car chase thing. She's like okay. I'll go make some sandwich. It's it's great. It's it's hilarious of. It's basically the end of the movie to tim. Topper cities like fucking killed in gruesome fashion smashing into statue after being shot like twenty times. She's just like well. Whatever saying more san witch leftover now disease dead yet. It's it's got some really good stuff in at the. I guess this answer. Because i hadn't seen this move for this The director steve jarnet was m. He's made look really only one of their feature which is miracle mile which is a great movie. You really solid cult movies. Well am i was wondering like why you know. He didn't. he's only made two movies and it turns out gets. This did not do well. This is really bombed. And i guess that explains it which is a shame because it feels like these movies have really great ideas. Execution like january mentioned this movie. Just change the lead actor and you really have something here. If you had someone that like really bounce off off commerce. Melanie griffith kinda works. Well because she kind of under cells that she's kind of like she looks fed up. I think she really was fed up. So maybe it wasn't acting on it kind of like it works pretty well for character. There's no reason why she would be interested in this guy like the whole concept of true human love. You know kind of conquering over the convenience of sex robot. It doesn't really make any sense. She wouldn't fall this guy you know he would have gone back with robot and but if they just had someone else in the lead role. This could have been really. Think a really fantastic film. Maybe it's still. I think it was some distribution issues that screwed with with the the box office on you would think like you would think they could have marketed. This into like a modest success compared to yeah yeah i mean even if it if it was somewhat of a total failure all you gotta do is be like. Hey we got melanie griffith. Then it's mad. Max the end and people would go see right. Yeah you've melanie griffith running up to like a nine to five. But i think what happened with this. I don't know what happened on the american side but i think it only played in europe. It came back to america on vhs. And i think ours is like something happened on the back end that just like killed the box office and unfortunately may be killed yarn. It's career i think he's still made miracle mile laughter. This was a failure rhyming. Yeah it was which is a shame because that one. That movie works pretty well overall. Got some really great ideas finished. He's gritty back to the future. Like a little hard edge but not hard edged. It's not like mean-spirited whatever. It's like a grand romance set to the apocalypse Fantastic like a richard. Kelly movie what i wonder about like studio meddling in the middle of this film to assist. Is this hard to put your finger on exactly what fails other than the central relationship but so much of the world building and the set design and the way. I love the way this movie looks like. I think it's great. It's a great time. Capsule this sort of eighties filmmaking. All the miniatures like that fallen like las vegas at the end. It's fucking fantastic. So much in this movie. That i really really love. But it's there's something missing. It's kinda strange. You wonder if if there were some odd cuts or mandates that made this kind of shift in a direction that it was not prepared to because when it just kind of settles down into like these bizarre sets in this strange world like thomason like fucking motel hide out and and the weird old west town at the beginning. And there's so much of it it clicks and then when we get out of the desert the thing flounders yet nothing feels like it's missing which is kind unusual utopic meddling. It's you know. I think everything. Is there like you say their shift. So lack of spark Fuses so much that commerce in the spark his work everything else is just a little bit under cranked. Up a little bit. Sort of exasperating and No you big action sequences. They clearly money to put into it. You have big explosions Spectacle special effects ended zoologist. A little bit kinda like Sort of like you know. I'm checking my watch a little bit in this movie. is you know. It's like an hour and forty minutes long. It's perfectly regular length movie but it just it just feels like it's running just like a little bit slower than it showed someone into like Edit the action scenes differently and scored a little differently like sees. It's just a slightly off from being a really hard recommend is like one of the better movies in the eighties. All the elements are right there but it just. It's not quite right but now shit all these are worth checking out serious. Get yourself a big dose of thomason. We get on just a mother lode of like good movies. That could be just little. It's like the usa up all night. Fucking light up. Oh god we should probably wrap things up so mirus what he put over this week. Jesus christ i completely forgot about this Why it's like we don't do it every week or do we or explain that to me off an eventful week i. The events is not involved watching much of anything though. I've been reading something. No haven't done that either. I'm officially don. Nothing except wash tim thomason and deal with college shit. I can't even think of a single thing to put. Nothing's good nothing's good you. Why don't you put over two things to make up for myra. She's running running running low on stuff too. I will Good still five wash racing. I haven't watched any good stuff like last night. I watched the fear. Which falcons don't watch that. That's that would mannequin walking around. She scrutton out a note of yet too much. Somehow which i think is really the year of horror movie problems at a good horror movie. I watched recently at easy russian film. The from nineteen sixty v. I y. I think that's how you pronounce. And which is like an old folk tale white gogol so it's like real literature and but really cool looking movie really cools practical effects like really nice practical effects as simple. But you really interesting looking movie. Beautiful looking very simple plot just but all atmosphere really very elegant film. Because i think it's like seventy minutes long if even it's like just short sweet rate moving so Abbey you could check out. That came out from several in the us. Which is practically a kids movie. Still say normally put 'em so we'll don't do them flash. I dunno second. Oh you know. Here's the second movie or put over photos from garage house pictures and everyone's favourite label that you have to like e mail order movies from. Just tell them what they want. seat to the top notch operation. You know they they rescue And foes is a movie that i think played once on tv. And i don't ever played anywhere else again. And even the tv version was like meddled with Edwards from nineteen seventy seven. It's a alien invasion movie or in alien contact movie and it's real slow burn. It's a little too slow. Burn but still. I wouldn't hold it against it. Just really incredible stuff with meager resources director of special effects go i primarily so even though he didn't have a lot of money special effects punch several categories higher should real slow-burn kinda like just people on an island somewhere. Aliens have a terrible time. Am you don't really know what's going to happen next. So check that one out if you can. It's it's pretty good but watch the director's cut which is like seventy one minutes long. Watch the tv version of cease added i ninety minutes having some soldiers walk around or something. Don't bother with that. Save twenty minutes and watch what. The director intended to pick it up the slack. Myrow strap in the ball. Typical typical shit. I'm actually gonna put over some music again. So do you like weird seventies. Kraut rock sort of prague. He stuff sure sure you do. Maybe you do you big fucking nerd. There's a band that band's called mythos and they've got an album called strange guys and it's really good. It sounds like a bunch of dorks. Dressed is like wizards and shit. But it's fucking awesome so if you have any interest in yeah kraut rock prog rock weird nine hundred seventy s guys with long hair and like i don't know probably like crystal pendants or something. Good shit mythos strange guys listen to it. They go real easy all right. So that being said yeah. If you look in the description of this very podcast you can do us a big old favor and you can click a link that will take you to our tunes page on that page. You can give us a five star written review. And why does that help. Well i'm glad you asked. And the answer is because algorithms are stupid and the more five star written reviews that we have the more discoverable we are and so you can help contribute to our discover ability and then more people will find us and then we'll do more things for you. It's really it's a great thing to do. If you don't listen on itunes. 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That will also get you access to an entire back. Feet of old optimism vaccine content that you can't get anywhere else. There's written content a mouse. And sean are working on a special bloom house series. That's patron only. We hit the pause button on that. One 'cause shaun's mike is all fucked up but We're gonna get there. We're gonna fix things we got one in the can we just oh i say we. We're doing we rejected it a little bit and we're gonna try to coincide them with the holidays with which they were originally april fools in the can. So it's coming back love it. It's so this month you're going to get a movie. And then next month you're gonna get a special podcast. Look at the value myross pure value. Unbelievable so yeah throws a couple of bucks seriously would help outlets shits expensive. We're going to get shot. A new mike his broke ass. he can't get it. mike you you the patron. That's how we're going to do it off other than that. I think you mean you. Can you can tweet at us. At optimism vaccine you can email us optimist vaccine g mail dot com death. Threats marriage proposals a questions comments favourite. Tim thomason movies. Whatever you got. Senator way got an idea for show senate our way. I think that pretty much wraps things up though so we don't have jake here to give us the last word so myross you'd totally dropped the ball on putting some over this week so the last word has to be yours. My god man. This is good. I just want you to play a song clip of tim. Thomason saying dry. Here's for squids instead. We'll just like what is it. Good quote that he says and that is a good one. Do like the dry forgot that element of the script I would ensure if the air did actually prevent mind control. Yeah cool hair prevents mind. Never forget that. No squids are not transis. Jack that that's the last word. The subject wins the weak willed people that get turned into exquisite is nerd wingers. He says it's for talks. Had god damn. We should've put this on. The show doesn't doesn't doesn't he say that the week that squids are basically weak will people will people are the people vulnerable to whistler mindell and then in a later film he says that where you put the personality disc in the cherry two thousand. It's fucking squid. Oh that's wow yeah person with a lotta squids.

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"The back optimism vaccine. I'm steve and joining me. After a few weeks off from the podcast grind. Sean glenis is here sean. How you doing doing. Well steve us. Good super bowl but well you know we. We have canadian guests so that that was intentional. Because i don't think canadians care about football to my knowledge. But i guess i guess we'll see if he resents us completely. Also we have the disgraced former viral twitter sensation. Jackie gleason it's great to be here. Sadly cancelled yup. How long did that take about a day. And then i found out that like someone who was like you know asked me. She was like look this upset. So complete strangers like this upset. So what i know you should delete it and i was like thinking about doing it because it's just annoying so i guess do so. Yeah gold the irish chrissy teagan. And then you fucked it all up so great job and then also we have a special guest. You know him for podcasts. Like the important cinema club. No such thing as a bad movie or if you are like me and you are deeply committed to buying godfrey ho film collections. On blu ray. You might know him from golden engine video and they also happens to be the author of radioactive dreams. The cinema of albert pune just nicloas here. Justin how're you doing man. I'm doing very well. Thank you for having me feel so professional. I'm on a podcast being introduced. I've got to be silent while the hosts were talking. Ooh yeah we're we're we're known far extreme professionalism. That's selling you before. I'll usually we start off with like shooting the shit and not recording for fifteen minutes. Then we have technical difficulties for another five to ten. And i mean the studio so nice plush seats. I like all these posters on the wall. That's right and we all have. Iv drips with the blood of children. Just kind of straightened and as we stay young yet we stay young. We keep the covert out. That's no we like cove and it makes us stronger. It kills the week so that we can continue our con- west fills good feels real good and honestly after watching cyborg a couple of weeks ago which is sort of how we got into. Well what we're talking about today. Our pune i feel like we're kind of heading towards the cyborg trajectory. And i just i think my next step. If the whole lockdown quarantine thing doesn't wrap up. I'm just going to stop wearing a shirt and hang out in like abandoned factory buildings in yugoslavia. Do you have a name based on a musical instrument yet. Ready to go. Yeah i was gonna go with flute boy or perhaps oboe. What the things called that. You stick in the oboe oboe read. I'll be oboe. Read as i'm going to be. Even as tanglewood focused a lot of people would have gone with reid obe because reads like an actual persons name. But i figured. I'd go something a little different. So i mean i think that in cyborg. It's mostly the name of guitars. I don't think anyone's called like electric guitar. Cool too. that's always allowed. We're not too far offer. Miss did he miss the obvious though. Because i mean there's a guitar brand called dan electro couldn't you've just called a guy dan. Electro said listen and as close to perfection but sometimes he takes a step back because he doesn't want to make other people feel bad exactly can't be expertise we asked you on for jackson. That's why we got you here man Anyways yeah we're really glad to have you on and we don't. We don't normally get a guest who's literally the guy who wrote the book about what we're talking about that that happens and as we talked about earlier the only the only book on album we we know there should be an entire like pune studies at the collegiate level. But i figured this. This is good place to start right. I was genuinely shocked. That like no one wrote one. Before i did because like i would have done this ten years ago but my logic was somebody more talented and more knowledgeable. And what's more resources than me. We'll probably do it. And then i waited. And i waited and it never happened so my book was essentially written in. Kind of a mad dash for screening. I did of radioactive dreams on thirty five millimeter sinking. Like i'll just do this really fast. It'll be easy and then you know. I'll do it and then people will go. Oh if this guy can weekend to that was basically my plan. When it came to albert. Peon i tried to style myself on the first kind of big hitchcock book written by it had come and collect the new french new wave guys. They were a book on hitchcock. Kind of lead the way all the ones that came after that but nobody talks about them anymore. That's from one day one day. no one. we'll talk about you but but that's hard to imagine. Fila which pune it's it's difficult because you know like my own experience with pune is that honestly i didn't know i'd seen multiple films by the guy for years that and it's the ubiquity right. He's everywhere like i think about all the movies that i grew up watching on just regular over the air television on a saturday afternoon and fifty percent of them are albert. Pune movies justin. Did you have this imprint. During that screening like like people go to the screening and also by the the book. I was like off at how long i thought it was gonna take to print it through amazon on demand which is how i printed the book but the goal was to do it for then essentially like my partner. Emily helped me out. Lay out the book. But i like rewrote it right up until the last second so when we show radioactive dreams only twenty people showed up so it didn't really matter that much added kill. See that movie. On on thirty five mill- vicious lips was the movie. I saw several years ago on a loved. And i was like who is this guy like. It's the guy you may take her. And i just couldn't jaeger banner winnie the pooh character. Note taker the like one of the two in in my memory. One of the seghal films that sewing coherent stands at amidst seagulls work which is impressive. What you know that like ticker has an amazing back story that they only had seagal for like a couple of days. It shows is mostly made up of footage from other new image productions stock footage of explosions and army men and stuff like that all make sense. But it's just i put it on. It's another seagull film It's great and it's dennis offers an ira terrorists which court closed art like fantastic but yeah absolutely bewildering. Film that an insoluble. Which is maybe poon's best known film most popular film but his honestly a film that every time i like the older i get the more i realized that cyborg is just a deeply weird film like as a kid it was just van damme movie older and wiser get the more. I realized that. It's just a weird asked him if he it's not it doesn't work like any other ones. What the thing was cyborg to and we. We talked about this a couple episodes ago when we when we covered it. But i feel like whatever. The tv at it was for cyborg. It was like the van damme. Action edit because the cyborg that i watched last month. I don't think eight year old me would enthusiastically sat through this brooding and walking around. But i just i remembered it being so much more like blood sport essentially which it's not at all well. This story goes that cyborg it had a test screening and sheldon led it j- who was a van. Dan's best friend. The director of lionheart saw it and called van damme and said van dan. You've gotta come down gotta take the movie away from pune and re edited and van damme did. Yeah oh so. Why is it that like i know you're talking a lot about in yearbook about the times when the bond company steps in why is it. What is it about pune is it. Is it his off-beat sensibility. That attracts like these These like men to to step in time and time again. I think that putin as a filmmaker. He's very enthusiastic. All he wants to do is create in the ideas that he has a very odd. And i think at times films can get away from him a little bit. And i'm not sure if it's because he like gets out of step with the visions or the producers are working with him or if like you know one of the biggest cases of a bond company stepping in radioactive dreams and that was because they lost a huge chunk of money. I think in the middle of filming so i think he was still trying to do the things that he had in his head with way less resources than they had started to do with. But like you said this happened. A lot happened on. Sword and the sorcerer as well that another company kind of stepped in similar talk for claims he directed all sorts of the source where pretty much which is not true because that film is filled with humanism. God yet like radioactive is. It's super interesting because you'd think like okay. You got a couple of films under your belt. Here's a shot to make another low budget movie. And you're like what am i going to do. And your decision is. I'm gonna make a post apocalyptic like chase opera hardboiled detective but not really action sci fi extravaganza for me every movie. I see he just he always has this grand ambition and this these big ideas and a lot of times. You see low budget filmmakers and you can go while they've overextended themselves and they fell on their face and it just didn't work but with him. He is clearly overly ambitious with a lot of movies but the best part is he gets so close in so many films just almost there and it's amazing what he seems to pull off with zero dollars at all. It's it's incredible stuff. And then he was able to keep doing it like that. Consider as well that like he was from. Hawaii had no film connections at all and he was somehow able to not only like get a film. Ground the sorcerer that he wrote and directed but continually make films that are genuinely weird like someone that worked as much as him. You would expect that eventually. He would kind of become kind of cookie cutter if he's just doing this as a job and that never happened even like his worst film. You look at them and you go. oh well. He had an idea here that is trying to achieve and he may have like not achieve those goals. But you can see that attempt on screen and that is very impressive especially when you look at the whole body of work And i love the things that he he really commits to you. Know what punitive the is like again. You have a clearly have a limited budget. So what did you choose to put money into and again radioactive dreams. He's like you know what. I wrote a part for a giant ass rat and i'm going to have a giant rat and i don't care if i don't actually need the red is just those are in all the storyboards for the film. The pitch deck that went around like that was a big part of the movie. So i don't think he was gonna sacrifice that giant rat zero sanchez rats which i support fully. You know like if you're gonna do one thing new movie make sure you have a giant rat known fault shift for that so you don't get george candidate in there just kind of definitely giant rats were think focus on. I mean it's chekhov's rat. It's introduced like twenty minutes movie. Come back at the end. That is airtight. storytelling. I'm more a fan of alike rat or whatever. It is with like this this smoking rat with tux. That's after i believe both of those. I think they're greg canon or canon effects like the fame special effects artist. I think he did both of those shows. But i could be mistaken. They look great. I like the one a vicious lips to though because it just reminds me of a chucky cheese character essentially but you know he's smoking and in space so little different whole thing has like on choky cheese. Seems like a solid enough reference point of kind of radioactive dreams. Fish lips are both achingly close to like kids movies kids adventure movies but then also play out. Inspector of like social annihilation at radioactive dreams takes place post post apocalyptic posts nuclear war. There's mutants everywhere and then it's just like american ninja himself. Michael dudenkov doing like slapstick. Comedy and singing. And just it's such a peculiar vibe in music break and this sounds chaotic. But i do like radioactive. Dreams doesn't feel chaotic to me. It feels like a very sensible progression of events. Because i'm like it feels to me like a pune is a guy who seems obsessed or certainly preoccupied with with humanity hurtling towards collapse but kind of feeling that honestly there's there's something positive in kind of Kind of bring in what we can our best selves to the collapse of society. I don't you know what i mean. The names out on the dance number. That's pretty much like you know. Well you know you just gotta keep going taking it back to what you started with jack of talking about how these are close to kids foams reminded me also of arcade and i guess justin was this like sort of. I mean you were introduced as a child. Like those sort of your. Yeah i think that arcade. I think i talked about in the book that it was the first pune film that i saw and it scared the crap out of me considering that the film is not scary at all and i don't think i saw and i was like i want to know more about this guy. It was just a memory. I had of seeing it as a kid. I was definitely nemesis. Like oh i want to know more about this filmmaker because aesthetically. He is doing stuff like john wishes john williams kind of cyberpunk stuff spaghetti western at a time where that wasn't popular in like the tv field. It's like how did he get to that point. And i think that's when i started exploring the rest of his work and i'm like well. Wow he made a fun andrew dice. Clay film these exists. it's crazy. Oh jeez i forgot about that one. That's another one where i watched that. Like she's probably ten years ago. I didn't even connect the dots and another one that sticks out in my head to that. I love smasher jacket. I don't have a brain smash yet working on getting one the other one the six out in my head is kickboxer to just because i remember watching it on tv like saturday afternoon or whatever and i'd be like oh shit. That's cody from step by. Step the tv show and it just it just totally up as a kid. Because i was like. Oh my god. He's he's awesome. It's like he's karate kicking the shit out of people but also he's cody on step-by-step. This amazing then. I get like you have all these memories of his films but i never put them together and so i got older. And it's just like oh. The greatest living american filmmaker has been right under my nose the entire time. I kinda like why albert does it have more of a following because it's kind of baffled me considering that filled are are so kind of personal in weird but there's not really like a group of people unless they're doing an ironically being like the captain america so bad and i think it's just because he didn't make any horror film if he had done that i think he would have more of a cult following than he actually does. I agree one hundred percent. And it's honestly i think for people who who just like to trash him terrible. Just dismiss him. I can understand some of their inclinations. Vicious lips and i can see how just surface level or if you're just paying attention you're like what is this. Nothing's happening to me. Vicious lips was an unfinished film. Like they didn't get a chance to finish it. Which is why it is the way that it is essentially end with a montage. That's like seven minutes long of the movie. You just watched which we really. I think it's one of the fun things about it. Is it kind of works it kind of like. It's got this weird hangout. energy to it's like saifi revette in in somebody called it. Yeah like last knows me a book. I called it last year. At marian battle yeah and me of lava terata sleep. It's just like a bunch of people aren't house filmmakers. that's it it's his antonioni. That's the anri the lots of sense of self even the restarting. It's like that antonioni remember which one it is. I think it's land nut lips like reason arts at the end. Dna thing about fish slips is silly movie on its surface about a all girl rock and roll ban crash lands on a desert planet. And all this and there's a mad monkey man in the back that's chasing them sort of but not really and it's all over the place but then it has all these moments right beneath the surface where it feels like albert pune is like working through some of his own shit. It's just like well. What the girls in the banner having that conversation and they're like well what if what if you don't make it. What if you can't do it. What if and then. I got the dame of the club that they're playing at is literally radioactive dreams. So it's almost like he's he's trying to wrestle with the fact that maybe he's not going to hit the superstardom heights that he thought he was headed towards. And that's i mean that's a pretty intense thing to watch a movie like vicious lips while the film was made as an answer to another project failing and it didn't work out. I don't remember which one. I think it may have been radioactive dreams. Mississippi sat on the shelf for a long time because there was incomplete and he made the film. Because he's like all right. I'm going to do it just with people that i know. The film was produced by joseph. Bardo which is the namesake of the character of brick bardo that appears in a whole bunch of films. He just loves calling characters. Bardo who i believe. I don't say to the book. But i doing dislike cursory research that i think pune may have worked in pornography when he first came to l. a. and that's where he would have met joseph bardo because that guy did direct kind of like soft chorus stuff uh while they became friends and joseph bardo produced vicious lip they shot and like a really crappy like warehouse studio space that they rented for like five days and then tried to get the movie done like joseph bartos wife did like the costume design. It was a real. This lifts was a real family affair. With when you view it through that prism it also brings another textual layer to the film as it plays. I can't imagine pure making pornography like this wholesomeness to very own as he makes hyper violent. Movies about cyborgs. Hunting each other and spies and like international intrigue. And i would say have you seen nemesis four because that's close to as he's gotten to pornography and he's very open about the fact that he's like i love gye muscle women a four and they're naked this is true nemesis four is that that's a strange when although honestly as pornography it's a on that search that's maybe even more of an art film than than vicious lips on on the surface of it's just people hanging out in cars having discussions but one of them happens to be female bodybuilders price and they have a lot of sex and nemesis four was another film that was made because albert was forced to do re-shoots on adrenaline fear. The rush and when he was forced back to the country to do re-shoots he's like. I'm just gonna shoot another movie while i'm here. Screw you guys. It'd be nemesis for god and it shows. Oh yeah it is. That is a bizarre film. I cannot imagine somebody renting nemesis and being a superfund cyberpunk elite runners club. Van damme. I want the sequel. They don't have two or three. All right i'll pick up for sure it's say and being like oh my god. It's a great test. But i think the way that pune works because i think you you've allied him as well in your book you mentioned Very similar someone like say just franko as a guy who just seems to be compelled to produce film. He accurately stop so his working. Yes so his films have this kind of like like he. Sequels often so loosely based on what preceded they're really just kind of tangential thoughts that you know so he's films often start with a prologue that says. Hey it's a hundred years on from the last film and everything's completely different now so this what's happening now the nemesis ceres between one to four kind of really follows. That line like each film is wildly different. Two and three were shop together but have always zero connection aside. I'm guessing what the main character but sort of like the most tangential connection between them. But it's kind of like it's really just impressive. We talk about how. I don't understand how he continued making films. Because normally the the rule for continuing to work is that you bring stuff in on time and under budget. And he didn't do that in his early career. It would appear people kept coming in and intervening and yet somehow. He's just able to keep going spin. They will just like. The guy must be a master negotiator because he can just spit in projects off mother projects and then i mean he. He's made a you've mentioned. He's made several movies like nemesis four and to cease and is blood match. I think which were all made on the sets of other movies yet that he's shot in yet that he's in managed to sell back to movie distributors. Which is used kind of aerobic. Frankly and especially surprising weeks. I think deceit particularly which was shot with re-shoot money for cyborg is honesty. I think one of his best movies like a weird scifi agree and i feel like deceit is one that is going to come out from behind syndrome through archive series. If i act bet money why because it looks like trash. Now they just put out house of usher and that's a twenty-first-century picture which is the other company that Golden globe ran distributed deceit. So fingers crossed. It'd be perfect for that. Label his his mamat movie. It's like only on a boat with millions and polyps looming again alien. Same thing about like it's all about like sexism and men and women like it. Sounds like a joke but it is no it really is. It's like a norbert visor. Who like his one of his main guys go to actors shows up kidnaps says samantha phillips. Knows you might know from like phantasm to drag her to a warehouse and what. They just told each other. He claims he's like a sex fiend alien and she doesn't believe him and it's for while it's unclear although it being out for pune it's pretty clear he's probably in alien. This is not much reason to doubt when he says you know what someone says. I'm an alien and pune movie all on. They're going to be but it's like kind of like you know when two people trying to figure each other out with a couple of weird curve ball thrown in it is such a strange film and i. I absolutely hope someone rescues us. He's like please stripped here. 'cause i don't wanna force anything on you but please stripped on your clothes. Feels like a very different. I was gonna say i was. I was struck by a phrase in a felipe for totta the brazilian critic he said in. I think it was radioactive. Dreams right up that he was pune he sees pune as as like the Perfect distillation the expressive esoterica in like both good and bad ways. I don't know if anybody has any reaction to appa. But i thought it was pretty crystallizing I would say. I think pew pew is the movies in a sense he kind of represents just the fault we should probably latch onto more just in terms of just unbridled kind of optimism about producing films like at every film. That exists is kind of like a miracle. You know it's been said before and yet you know a lot of people we we we. We watch a lot of movies. This movie sucks. This movie blows. This is terrible and pune kind of the antidote. That in that a lot of his movies like a lot of movies. I think are bad. But they're never bad in the same way and they're often bad in ways. I frankly not really thought about four. Which be are they still bad at the. I'm he's never. Why does she sound like boy. And then make the sequel only for the real pune hits earlier and this this podcast right now. Do not watch that one just like five seconds emo philips even if you're a big email phillips guy out there just stay away that's not well journey to the center of the earth talking earlier of how he would get his foot in the door and i think it is a mixture of susie azam that when he talks to people they believe that he believes in the projects that he's doing and it's also a i will do it with whatever you give me. Even if it is nothing. I will do. And i think that is very pleasing to producers that they're like oh this guy is going to take on. This journey to the center of the earth. Fail is a completely different movie that we're going to track but he'll he says he'll shoot something else. Was he meager resources. That are left. Okay he could do it. Sure why not. I mean i i will be. I would've given anything to sit in with. What's what's that a cannon movie. I was a canon move. Yeah i would love to sit in with cannons marketing team. Trying to figure. I know they pre did they sale that movie. Just yeah they always bring movies yet giving out with a straight face to distributors like yet. No that's that's the movie it's good people will love us. I think that he must have been in south africa. I think that's where they shot it and he wouldn't must've been shooting alien from l. a. And he just picked up the baton and finished journey to the center of the year with the same set and cast. Which is why it's essentially a direct sequel daily and again at example of a sequel of his that really. It's not like he couldn't get kathy ireland back like she doesn't she doesn't show while it's a sequel without the main character. It's being but again it's like this sequel in spirit is like his movies exist in continuum. Would you get. It reminds me of like say jess franco that move d'amato or demaim yet just like movies that become almost the their interrelationship to each other becomes roy for examination that his film starts like mixing melt in a in a peculiar way because there appears to be zero downtime or delineation between the different projects at times zone of them are pure just taking advantage of like i guess they talk about how the opportunity is preparation for several years. Pune was just ready to go at any moment somebody like. Can you make a movie like absolutely ear. You go. i mean what. I don't have information in front of me. But he was supposed to shoot spiderman the cannon version back to back with something else oh it was masters of the universe that he was going to start spiderman and it would have been windy peter parker and then they would have taken a break and then he would have shot. The master's university quill and then the guy was playing. Peter was supposed to bulk up so when he came back to shoot the back cavs spiderman. Spidey would be all buff and stuff like that. That's always good. It's just like yeah. Just go jack for eight weeks. And i'll see you soon man. This is before milan. Johnny was in was in the business. S couldn't get it done speaking of a superhero stuff. I i really liked to let us what you said about Captain america in terms of like Before what we know is like the mcu like this was sort of just like this. Very silly thing. Anyone who cared about that but now in a world where there's so much quality control And there's so many versions of like this. Big captain america movie star. Whatever universe Why not watch this like it feels like especially for people who are diametrically opposed to like. Ncaa always like this is such a interesting like it's just a curio and it's also just kind of fun to watch. I mean captain. America's another film that like you read a few and talk about it and like the scenes at the beginning. You wanted to film them on slanted sidewalks. Steve rogers looks smaller than everybody else. When he was like muscular. See reuters is completely different. And that's what is that. He goes in oftentimes a lot of grain ideas that he doesn't always pull off. But i love that he tried. Yeah especially everybody loves captain america with his like. Oh stop the car. He insists he's runs back to the doesn't do dives the best part. Let's burgas superpower. It's like well. He's kind of a wimp and able to manipulate people by pretending to have to vomit. That's carjacking captain. America i mean the thing about albert pune as well is that he's a guy that's like. Fool me once. Fool me twice like even fooled a south time in the sense captain. America's another film at the budget. Like i think it was cut down one tenth of what it was supposed to be. He actually had to pay out of his own pocket to shoot a lot of the action inserts because canon or twenty percent. Which is the company that you know it released under. Wouldn't pay to shoot the inserts. anything. I need these. There's no movie without it. I can't even imagine what they would have had like. What what is that. I guess it would. It would just be absolutely nothing with the wimpy. Captain america of all time to the tenth degree. That's amazing it is vital to. I mean there's much talk about some pune film speaking They don't quite work. Whatever is like it isn't a whole him like he has had some tremendously bad luck with projects and to captain america like that can budget caught yet. What we're expecting him to bring in like just can't murray going for a walk like there's just nothing else you could fill like films cost money. Stuntman cost money. So i think he did pretty well. And you know the the his captain. America is honestly audit kind of strange down-home Hopeless in a way that feels like more commentary on america the batard day captain america sucks constantly winded from running gone. That's it he's he's the embodiment of the american people. Right there in red white and blue spandex. Beautiful like captain. America like sucks as well as movie because he failed his first mission gets frozen and then it's constantly on the run for the rest of the movie until the president of the united states is essentially the one that saves bacon true. That's that's i mean. It's kind of amazing tweet. At no point in captain. America does discount american. Break out a pack smokes. It just feels like that kind of move fish. That's right have been america's the ultimate fail son. He's jd salinger song. What the moment. I would love to be like. Yeah i did it on purpose. I wanted to get like a great american author and you know we make his son. Essentially a failed son the star of movie. I said what he's not good at what he's supposed to do. It's perfect yeah. You don't even need the guy to go method. He's just natural fail son. That's that's it. That's what he lives day by day. I dunno matt's allender a very nice man. I'm sure is great. Yeah i mean just in. What did the research look like for this book to find a lot of these like production notes and whatnot. What's funny is like in the book when i wrote it. One of the reasons that kept me from doing this kind of stuff is that. I'm not a very good light. Academic slash research oriented person. So i didn't want to have like well. You can find this in that variety article. I actually look through variety search name. And i didn't find that much stuff so it was like a lot of stories that i knew and i tried to back up with like other like internet or interviews that i could find through as moses as well of like decades of just reading about his movies listening commentaries. And that's one of the reasons that i didn't interview albert for the book because i've read a lot and listen to a lot of his interviews and he's kind of hit the you know he has the same pattern every time when you talk to him and i knew those are the stories that would kinda get and you know. He's been sick for a very long time as well so i didn't really want to bother him about that. What i was shocked was as i was writing the book. I did interview a bunch of people. And i just reached out on like their website or facebook and what was wild was. They were answering. These questions were so excited because no one had ever asked him about this ever. I could imagine if you reach out to a guy like so. You're in the movie deceit. What was that like. whoa. I don't think anyone's that what's great about. Talking to these people. As his cinematographer. George mooradian he had worked with albert on dozens of movies. They shot those films. And like george says in the interview i did within that. He's like we shot it. I knew it was gonna video. But i always shot assuming we'd would play on the big screen and when you look at the film. It looks like that they don't look like you know Just making this a couple of bucks but the camera down and fill like he they are very professional cinematographers and just artists doing the best that they can add for an audience that are usually teenagers and wouldn't really appreciate it but they didn't care they were hoping that maybe someday someone write a book on them. One of the ones that strikes me for that particularly. I don't remember if moravian shot at is raven. Hawk which is like revenge is native american revenge. Hbo production from ninety-six but credible looking film. But you can only for the university. I could find full screen. Vhs quality call. you'll hook you up. 'cause i got the Laser disc and that one's wide screen. So 'cause i looked phenomenal. The the film has its problems. And it's another one of his lady bodybuilder. George mooradian production too. So that's like his look looks incredible show on mountain ranges. Beautiful scenery reminds me a lot of kind of like the seagull ego. Or you're kind of infused films of the late nineties You know if if you're into that that's definitely want to track down in. That film has like an insane. Cast like ed lauder collegue like everyone is like a character actor in that picture. Fortunately it's that guy it's never gonna come out because it's an. Hbo film and they don't do like dvd release. And that's why like the hit. Your hasn't come out more. The second civil war joe dante films both of those being. Hbo productions. I never even occurred to me. Check lane it's probably even on hbo. Max rescued some of their older movies. But that one probably is just below the pay grade. Who's which is weird. Because i mean honestly in terms of iconography the poster. It's exactly the kind of thing would throw on like late night. Friday swine off. It's like like you were saying it's like bad luck. That like he other than claude van damme unfortunately none of the people that acted in his movies became big stars which would like turned attention to the other films that he made as well so he kept working. And you know there. Wasn't that big breakthrough film other than the ones that he did. That's the close. He gets a gary daniels. Small role in like nights. Mcnary daniels honestly. Probably one of the least known of the like kung-fu guy has so he really really never really got that close. And i guess he did direct. A robert patrick failed hong kong ninety seven as well and it's a shame because he's got one of things have been fun. 'cause i've just been watching a bunch of these movies. The same people showing up and he has warlike pretty solid stable of actors that are showing up and lee elites to collect some fun. Things like m watching spitfire for example as his james bond style opening credit sequences. Because it's an international spy movie. So why wouldn't have james bonding and it came out at the same years. Goldeneye all things and it's got tina kota is is like the sexy lady in the opening credits and you'll see her throughout his films. She's not in the mood for. He just hired her to feed the opening credits. And it's a such a strange like kind of adjustment to to figure out what he these people clearly. We're willing to work for him in whatever he could give them and they're not bad and his movies. It's not like when. I'm watching a film that i'm always struck by like terrible acting. Honestly probably when the worst performances in one of his movies. Probably Rene or whatever. His name is Which also fits. Because he's row bosh so you know but honestly you know i mean i guess soup prices. A little shaky in the air in the nemesis movies are also. She's like arnie's not exactly great acting. In some ways cases to certain on his earlier films didn't really lean into that. But it's kind of unfortunate that you know one really broke big to bring him up with them. I mean he's worked. With people like dennis hopper and rutger hauer and few downward trend. No it's a spitfire has has lance henriksen technically in the in the title role and he's like in the lead role and like i say he had him for a day tops. You know it's kind of trying to work out where the where the which actors actually met. Each other in some films can be a fun little game. i mean. Hey hey. Hey it's not technically lance that the star it is the gymnast who only acted. It's true i shouldn't say he was his top billed muscular enough. You know better come on. Brings me to something that i do really like about. Pewnce movies. you probably couldn't describe as movies as being feminist. Probably not quite break the for that but he is absolutely interested in kind of female protagonists in active female agents and something that i think is really interesting in his films is he hires women to play the roles based on their qualifications which i think is like In spit fiery phillips. I think the name who's a real. Gymnast world-class sue price bodybuilder. For nemesis and you know he. He hires will who are capable The lead actress in nights is also a kickboxer. You know so it's kind of interesting. You know soderbergh did the whole thing with the wire. Several many years after pune had made this regular performance. But like he's not looking for like traditionally beautiful women to you know. Filling these roles is like girl power advocates like. He's looking for kind of women that fit the role and it's actually somewhat refreshing. Even though i guess within that context of bars dismally load for doing nash but still good good for him. The man was groundbreaking to one thing. That i know is in vicious. Lips was so famously. Nineteen ninety. I believe total. Recall the the woman with three boobs. Okay so you watch that movie. You're twelve years old. Your big takeaway is. Arnold schwarzenegger makes funny faces. And there's a woman with three boobs vicious lips. Nine hundred eighty six four years earlier. The first triple boob lady in the history of cinema far as i can tell us. A landmark was surprised of video editing on shout factory released fish slips on blewett which i think might have been the first home video release vicious lips like it was buried for years. I believe in north america. It was released in other parts of the world on. Yeah yeah which is good. That's good but it's real rescue from shout factory to put blew. It looks fantastic tremendous film but they got for intriguing charles band rather than a rather than pure to talk about and band takes at takes full credit for its funny because he talks around the movie because it's very clear he didn't actually have a lot to do with us. But one of the things he does take credit for is many breasted women and women with breasts in many configurations and apparently he wants credit for that. So we can have. It is who who really was the the groundbreaker on nash out. That doesn't necropolis the charles band film also having many breasted woman or a weird breasted woman What year was that. We might have to hand ban the he may actually be be. The guy for this is that might be his thing. I don't know macropoulos was nine hundred. Eighty six but. Yeah if it's if it's a ban movie i don't yeah man movie. Yeah there you go. Maybe it'll charles band it's actually them but actors breaking big probably one of the actresses broke biggest out of putin's roster. Is tim thomason. But it was into full moon entertainment and thanks to pune that he kinda of brought him along when he made doll man or wait. No trans came out before that right. I'm terrible with years. I don't recall may be. Yeah it's an. Tim thomson is again when these guys just shows up threatens films and he's i don't know how many transports easter are more than i thought there were. I believe they're six but the sixth one is not officially a trans movie because Tim thomason is not in it. Because gets there were four so or five four and five were shot as one movie and split into. It's also a medieval film for some reason charles band castle. Yeah why not yeah. So that's our all that's where castle freak was shot. Wasn't it yeah. Yup i love the fact. That charles van owns a castle. That just it explains the almost something thanks to a tax lien at some point. That'll do it. He invested all his money on. Puppet shows like r. Rated papa shows in las vegas for any of the evil bong heads out there and i hope you don't exist. That's what the movies are about now. Jesus i've always been more of a ginger dead man guy myself so long versus ginger dead man. That is a movie that the world needs god. No now don't watch it plead. It's awful movies for no one right. Yeah oliver pune trying to find funding for all his movies. Meanwhile or rated puppet shows evil bong stuff keeps showing up. Yeah well. I built movies. Were made for like maybe five thousand dollars anyway. I don't wanna go down this evil bong. We'll bring it back on for long episode of points. I sat down with a friend. And i watched all seven. Maybe eight of the series been around like a decade. They just make whatever year. Charles van just loves it. He cannot stop making them and they are nothing movies. It'll be like characters in a room talking for sixty minutes ten minutes of credits and no one dies in the movie. Oh my god. we're not doing evil bong. that's raw line. I feel like some of the things. I've proposed to the bad guys that we've done. I've pushed the guys too far we had to do. Let my puppets come a few weeks ago. I think that was the breaking point for a lot of people so that would have been classy. Compared to going down the bandwagon. I would rather watch seven times. Let my puppets come to sit through. Although seventy bog movie shout puppet star clitoris leach. men. Are i think the mvp she lifts she. She died the way she lived. God all right so my my big question for you. My goal through just my life moving forward is basically. I wanna appeal pill the masses. I want everyone to love this director the way that i love this director. So if you were to put together like your starter pack. You've got a saturday afternoon. Say three hours so you can give them two. Maybe three movies. What do you do to convert the masses. What are your i. Don't have my book in front of me because that's actually what i do like the first five. That's like that's on the first page. So yeah i'm gonna. I'm gonna read to you from your own book nemesis good choice radioactive dreams great. That would be a mind as well to see. Ok mean guns slinger the director. Kota cyborg okay. Let's five. I think if i was gonna down nemesis radioactive dreams and then we're going to get a little fucking weird and i'm gonna throw vicious lips in there just because you need to see the art house pune as well. Let's search my only argument against that. Is that vicious. Slips is very similar to radioactive dreams. That's true so if i was going to sit somebody down and be like i wanna show you this director when you show them deceit. What's great about it and you can tell them a story behind it where you're like. He made this on the weekend. During the cyborg reshoots which gives it like. Oh that's cool like an director. Did that then behind it. The got crowd. So i don't know i. I guess that's a good point with the seat. And the other thing is to fishy slips. I watched him back to back and my wife just walked in the living room. And she's like. Weren't you already watching this now. This this is a different one. She's like that's the same girl that was singing the song and the first like different song. Different band totally difference. Technically same girl could assu sad dubbing over the actors. Okay that yeah. The dreamer just dreamt in new dream the validity of the appear on experience like more than any other like direct wreck and think of a sort of how he he reformulates some similar things but the movies are wildly different experience. Even more than you know. Like i keep going back to jess franco or someone or joe. D'amato they're much more solidly in kind of like surrealism or horror or a raw shikha pune is just bounces. All over the place. i mean. He's got radioactive. Dreams and fish slips were like eighties. Power odyssey's. He's got to see his talkie chamber. Drama mean guns is like a ninety s tarantino knockoff. Kind of thing taker is absolutely incomprehensible. And nemesis is like nemesis literally challenges. Like the john. Woo of hard target for just sheer firepower. Which i can't imagine not many films that have done that. That don't weren't also directed with john. Woo nemesis this is one of those rare movies where it's clear that albert got all the resources that needed to make the movie that was in his head. Absolutely you look at that. And you're like why did this happen more often. You would have more nemesis little extra money to get like brian james to just get rid of the accident. You know now. Brian james as he said he told investor alone when they may tango and cash. I'm a master of accessed. God but yeah like he's all over the place or even something that is like universally dismissed adrenaline fear of the rush. Christopher lambert pandemic movie. If you see the director's cut like the idea that he had making the movie is kind of fascinating that it's essentially like a video game movie where it's like people just going through these catacombs being chased by the psycho killer and like when i talked to the cinematographer about it and i think there's some pages from the script in the book like Human wrote like. I wanna make this a war movie like that's the intensity in the honestly watching that movie Diversion is always by. Would it says it putin's directors cup but it was seventy five minutes long. I believe there's a longer caught. That might also believe in european cut. Like so i see the pune director's cut. Is i think that the tricky thing with that is that it's his director's cut. You know many many years later when you think about it and rethinking which is not always. I think to advantage because he tends to rethink much when he gets to like. You know those long credit card you say like what are you doing or the odd voice over and so like the european cut of adrenaline rush. I think it's closer to his original intention. But they're still the reshoots that miramax forced him to do it right. Yeah 'cause 'cause that's definitely a film that m talk A war movie. Like i think it's a movie that if i'm being honest it's a movie. That's more interesting to talk about them to watch. I was not racked into attention with it. It's very difficult to watch. Because it's essentially like a claustrophobic tight angle. No breathing space kind of thing but it reminded me of like m. does canal yes. That's exactly the movie that he wanted to make. Think yeah and it's it's just a bunch of people terrified for their life in a dark corridor trapped you know and it and i say i don't know if it works really adults. It doesn't help the version. I saw what looked like absolute crap. It was like a old vhs quality thing which for film that's like almost entirely shot in the dark the compression average Terrible i i'll come back to but a again like the idea of just approaching that movie and making such a stylistically charged film. Is you know why not you know. Why wouldn't you don't more people do this. I think it's because they have careers. Like albert. pune where the audience is like. What the hell not what i wanted. Because the weinstein's komen and they fuck everything up you know for us film fans i think pune is just as great through line of just adventure had literally every time you put on one of his films. You don't know if a worker won't work you don't know what genre will be in. You know honestly. The actors are probably the most predictable part of his films. Like norbert visor will show up. Tim thomas show off after that. I have no idea what's going to happen next. And that's you. Who can you say that about. Even the great filling ingmar bergman or gawk like honesty. Just one genre boring this go harsher. Don't quote me on this os zoo people talking. He made them move. You crossed. The line knows zoo. What by accident. perfect. He's like with an uzi records. I mean i think. Make an argument in the book. Movie like omega do and if you were like a teenager and you rented it you'd be like what the hell is this but if you subtitled it and threw it in a cinematheque. In a different language people will be like. Oh yeah this is deep man. It's like weird kurosawa's movie in one hundred percent mega. Doom was in russian. Pb like this is. This is like a serious film because it seems like robots contemplating thrown death. Yeah let's let's say you take you take cyborg or slinger. Even make black and white change the soundtrack and it's better than yo jimbo as far as i'm concerned so yes i mean. I've watched slinger in black and white with a different soundtrack. Iraq's steve omega do is say that she is jim jimbo yes. I have watched that one year. Now i'm hyped up for it so you know that. I can't keep keep the pace that jack keeps i. How many of these films did you watch in the last three weeks jack. I feel like you've watched at least two a day. Are you know. I've been doing two or three day. You like putting pune on a spoon and cooking him up here like this. I can't. I can't overemphasize like you couldn't do that with most directors. Even if you're really enjoyed the movies. But like i say every movie is different. So it's really easy to watch dobra triple bill. Yeah i mean sometimes it's a little tricky when you should. I did a triple bill. Friday night in the ended with journey to the center of the stage. Yeah a triple bill. The urban films that he made the wrecking crew corrupt and urban menace. That'll be a rough night. Well no. I'm not going to do that now Yeah no. I need to explore his post to thousands output because check. I saw you get that feeling. A little bit at taker which i saw close to when it came out i guess or maybe a couple of years after is probably the only one of his post two thousands. I know like a semi sequel to sword the starring. Kevin sorbo from designate ten. I can't imagine that's gonna work very well. But nothing incomplete film as well it starts like ten minutes of like summing up with storyboards end. Who's ten minutes of storyboards. Excellent good he also made two thousand five infection. The film that he shot in one unbroken take from a dashboard of a car. Interest-only finance everything just multitudes he is he's the essence of cinema. That's that's what you get with this man and that's probably is because i know you want it to talk mostly a vicious lipton radioactive dreams. You can get back to that if you want this. This is why i feel like we. We covered obviously. We covered radioactive dreams and vicious slips. That was the plan going into. But normally with our podcast. It's like we have a plan but fuck it wherever it goes as long as it's good it's good and this has been great so actually we kind of wrap things up. We try to keep it around like an hour hour. Fifteen when we can but there's something we do at the end of every episode called put overs where we put something over every week. Which are you a professional wrestling fan by any chance. I am a dabbler in professional wrestling. I like my friends who are fans to explain to me but having to sit there and watch it regularly is something that i'm not willing to do so when you put something over in wrestling it's like you. You make them look good. You let them my good friend. Roman reigns everybody loves right sure. Yeah he's he's the cousin of the rock who doesn't love. Everybody loves that. Yeah this is like a joke for people who are like what the hell are they talking about. Roman he's a wrestler that sucks but he's somehow still the headlines. he's he's everybody hates him to clarify. I didn't know put over a wrestling thing. So you're already bad nordia insane. No that's that's a different matter entirely but yeah also fuck roman reigns. They had a spot the other day where he had a title match and he was handcuffed to a giant steel pole and the spot was supposed to be his manager. Came out was supposed to release him from the handcuffs but they couldn't get the handcuffs to come off so there's just like a endless. It felt like five minutes stretch them fiddling with handcuffs while the other guy pretends to be hurt trash absolute trash anyways roman reigns outta here. Get the real star. Shane mcmahon nerve. Wwe i wanna see his red face and see him have a heart attack while. That's why i watch this kind of stuff. Exactly what more ladies if ww could learn something from albert pune where the muscle ladies get him out. Here We love him. You're listening to the optimism wrestling. Podcast exactly anyway. So so we do we. Do this. recall jakob you. Just pick something not not doesn't have to be related to the podcast subject at all. It could be music movie tv. What you just read so justin. What do you put into this week. You know what it just popped in my head. It's tough for people that follow my stuff. I am always recommending to see. What can i recommend that. I have recommended in a long time and i'm looking behind that myself and i'm like you know what i've been watching a lot of banshee the cinemax show. Have you guys ever watched that. You don't believe. I believe adam. Our our lackey is a huge fan. That's right admirals producer. Adam and usual co host loves banshee. Oh benches great amazing action show but like that crew made a series called query say correctly q. u. a. r. y. That star is the guy that he looks exactly like. I can't think of the name. His name Whose venom venom. Oh tom hardy tom hardy yet. You know the guy. That looks like tom hardy. But he's not tom hardy. It's like lucas green or something like that sounds about right. Logan marshall green. I was close anyway. So far this one season of tv show and it was directed by a one guy and it's an adaptation of like noir novel and it's so good it only lasted nine episode. That tells one whole story but it came and it went nobody ever talks about it and yeah i'd recommend people go out and check out. Quarry are at sounds good Jack what he put over this week. I'm going to show how my brain works really well and really good. I was gonna put over a twisted. The upper pune movie didn't discuss which which is a real fun movie. It's kind of like his weird adventure out muddy. Yeah but but then. But then i was like you know what she gonna put down. 'cause 'cause i ended up listening to it because oh now don't put it down. Put it over on put it over. I was going to put over depeche mode construction time because it's a great album. It's my favorite pash motel. But then i remember. Depeche mode was in the soundtrack of a different view and movie dangerously close. So it's all modeled up but listened to patch. Most people. just do just do a baby. Now here's the big test. Sean messaged me about three quarters of the way through our recording and said. Hey i can hear you guys but mike. Stop working so sean. What are you putting over this week. Yeah he's back he's back all right. We got house. Wondering i was like man. I feel bad. sean has been so quiet. We just love talk it over. And that's like one of my favorite hobbies see this plays into the whole wrestling narrative of that guy that comes back up as a non wrestling watch like that does happen though right these. Like surprise comeback. Yeah all the time you like the undertaker people ninety down they just pop back up rolling your eyes in the back of your head. Yeah you got bad knees though any big fault also really into the blue lives matter shit. Which is weird. So that's right shit all of your childhood now Undertaker loves cops. Go ahead sean. I only been wanting kyun movies and eric rohmer movies. I guess because we talked about kunal over uphold over the comedies series of romar. Some of which are just a bunch of like justice. Not a fan of french people on vacation with problems zona but Made that claim somewhere. I their problems are so funny. Curb your enthusiasm al-fransi yeah. It depends are they like slamming doors and running into room. In which case i do like that. It's it's more of a vacation. I can't. I can't figure out how to spend my holiday. I'm having existential. Crises while scientists are they rich in which case you got but they are beautiful works. And i like his six moral tales like get a lot of play but is really come to to like his color. Work After surprisingly after he stopped working with nestle men does and Yeah so look at those. What was your favorite album movie because you you you were so silent during the should give you a chance i radio. Radioactive drains is the height of what. I've found so far. But i was really surprised with arcade really the film that albert pune abandoned. And it's technically not really his such wild visuals that That there's also of. I'll say like some fetichism on my part of like these pixellated that era of like creating digital images. That is interesting to me if you want if you want to sale. Because i enjoyed our k to look. It's an orated. Are you afraid of the dark episode at. That's there's no reason for that to exist and yet there it is and if you go and look at the original making of you can see the original. Cg effects that looked a lot like tron so when disney came calling me at the change at the last minute the scariest thing in that movie is disney's litigation to there. You go all right well this week. I'm putting over two things. Because i could do whatever the hell i want a i. I thing i'm put over. Is the instagram account facebook shirts. So if you spend any amount of time on social media you get all these targeted ads and one thing that facebook likes to target. People is weirdly specific shirts like oh. My name's steve. And i live in milwaukee and i was born in december and things like that and then they just put it on a shirt. And they're like don't you want this like no. I don't think i do but sometimes they get a little bit weird so this instagram account just sort of chronicles. All of the bizarre shirts that they find. And so there's this one that i'm looking at right now where it's like three skulls with the american flag superimposed over him and the shirt says yes i'm spoil fiance but not yours. I was born in november. And i love my country. If you don't clap for my flag best believe. I will clap those cheeks and the gerena. And you're like how do they know me so much. Ads like where's the order button. I don't understand smashing. Enter my keyboard doing anything. Steve just clap and cheeks day in day. But but this kind of falls into like this hobby that i have where anytime i get served at on social media. I automatically blocked the account that that serves me the ad so over the past five years or so i've gotten progressively weirder and weirder adds to me and i actually. I think it was like two years ago. I broke down. I actually bought a shirt that was targeted at because it was so fucked up. It was a picture of sonic the hedgehog but his face is yellow like he has jaundice and then it just says harry potter obama on it and i was like sure that sounds great. Why did i buy well. You cursed yourself for life now. you'll never escape it. Yeah that's it. And then the other thing. I'm putting over. I i watched a little elizabeth taylor. Richard burton number the other day. Oh yeah boom exclamation mark. My god i. I just like like richard burton reads kubla khan and elizabeth taylor's just this pause as she goes why that's the single greatest moment moment in cinema history. Better people drinking themselves to death. It's every richard burton a little bit. Excuse just the difference between like. I guess it was panned when it came out and ship. But isn't this just their life like to incredibly rich people drinking and yelling at each other. John waters favorite movie importantly like that that makes sense. I think he's got. He's got a commentary track on the shout factory. Blu ray release. Richard burton and and elizabeth taylor like they had to make movies Network weren't there to give him a show at the time so they just moved onto onto the big screen instead of like this being like like two couples truck like in this like whatever new england home or wherever that set up in black and white this this beautiful like mediterranean sea like manson gorgeous movie. It's like a house that shouldn't exist. It's just like it's super modern right on the face of a cliff facing the ocean and then there's like easter island statues off to the side. It's completely absurd but it's amazing if you haven't seen it i don't know if you have sixty beers and watch this movie you're going to have the best of your life. Guaranteed hundred percent all right. Well i think that pretty much wraps up. So if you're listening to this podcast right now do us a big favor and in the description there's a couple of links and those our links that you can click okay. The first link will take you to our tunes page if you haven't gotten a chance to yet Get a five star written review. Because if you do that sir. The itunes algorithm likes more and then more people will see our stuff and we can continue to pune pill the masses and get. Albert's name out there it's important. This is a moral imperative for you dear listener. the other link will take. You are patriarch. 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Where my friends watch all of these star wars clone wars series much to me and my other pows horror while we have our main friend. Peter gloviczki the program. Toronto midnight madness. Who is a big fan of the clone wars and is forcing us to watch it all. Who got the cartoon right yet. The cartoon there's a lot of that because someone told me to watch that i looked at. There's like a million episodes of this. I don't have time seasons of it. Too much severely too much agree with you. All right. yeah well. I'm sorry you had to experience that but people should listen to it because a unit span suffer for nothing. Come on come on get it together. We have a lot of questions for our friend who likes it so it's a fun time. Yeah i'm sure it's yeah it's better to to watch it discuss it than just watch it and in vain i would say and cry and be like what am i doing with my life. How did he reach that point. Also i think sean back me up on this one. I was thinking if we can reach a thousand dollars per month for the patriots. We should set a goal. And if we hit a thousand then jackass has to sign up for the marines. What do you think is does have Residency for that jack. Though i'm yeah no i'm a citizen. I think the only problem at this point is that i may very slobby bid thirties person but notes. Let's do it. this is just happy. Happy gilmore's scenario. We got killed for my country all about this too and then so we get two thousand. He s assigned for the marines. If we hit fifteen hundred when he goes to basic training he can only make noises like the guy from police academy. Michael winslow can only make. Michael winslow noises. I feel as cultural appropriation. I just the idea of some some guy telling you to drop and give him twenty and you're just like whoo. Ooh only in my dreams. All right Justin thank you again for being on the show really appreciate it man. And you know jake's not on this week. So jack. I guess last words yours watch albert movies. I agree in thanks for having me. I'll guess technically i still you're talking. That's perfect today's.

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The Films of Johnnie To - Part 2

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The Films of Johnnie To - Part 2

"Hey welcome back to this vaccine. I'm steve joining me this week. The most convincing man. I've ever seen in a rubber muscle sued. Jackie gleason steve. It is it is a skill. i say i mean we. We are talking rubbish today for sure but incredible incredible rubber muscle suit. Were probably the best. I've ever seen in one of the movies we talk about today. So that's something to look forward to also a man that i doubted sean. Glenis turns out sean. That albert pune if we do a multi part series about our pune. That's not as popular as johnny toe. Yeah i got nothing steve. I feel you constantly warning. I'm like what if we did like two episodes on tim thomason. And you're like. I don't think anyone's going to care about that. And yet we made pod mass like for each each of those correct we did. We did we did. I mean there's i figured there are more dull man super fans out there but turns out on the only one awhile and finally we got a very special guest today. He's a freelance film critic with bylines places like the film stage and reverse shot. And maybe you've heard the sweet dulcet tones of his voice. Podcast catalysts and witness ryan. Swin is with us they ryan. How're you doing pretty. Well thank you very much for inviting me. This is a this is very exciting. Thanks for coming on man. I think like super short notice. Usually we give people like several weeks to a month of advanced notice with you. I think we're in. We're just hanging out with sean last week. And we're like yeah you know anybody that wants to guess. And he's like oh. Let's talk to ryan swan. Thank you very much for all of you. And for sean to sean for inviting me. It's very it's very fertile topic definitely and listen to your first episode in this series and it was quite good. I'm excited build upon that. Thanks i promised you. the quality is going to dip. Because i'm back on. The point is the first rave we've ever seen my god. I'm happy in bronze hanging on my wall. This is sort of my personal victory. Lap because I just filed my taxes for the first time ever by myself so i'm rushing pretty high. Honestly wow that's impressive. How how many did you do the turbo tax easy file. We just got click three times. Does it say how many dollars are you getting back. Journalist like buddy yeah. It was awful. I hated every second of it. Really isn't miserable experience. That's why i filed an extension today. So that i can prolong the misery for even longer now. I know our audience is really into finance. But i figured we'd probably just jumped toe down episode two so this is our second episode of the. I'm calling it down. But i don't think we officially named it that i feel like our first episode was kind of like your johnny till gateway drug. So you get a little taste of the good stuff to kinda get you hooked and now we're going to go on a little bit deeper and we're gonna we're gonna jump from like johnny one. Oh one into a selection phones. That i think kind of break away from the action cinema that he's primarily known for in the west and i just want to say it cannot be understated. How prolific and consistent of filmmaker. He is especially even if you compare him to other big titans of hong kong cinema. Whether you know. That's like long. Core wide john. Woo ringo lam people like that because these are all guys too that were in some way shape or form either quoted by hollywood whether they directed american films are had their work remade in the west but not johnny and at the same time. He wasn't just pumping out sequels to exiled or something he just kind of hopped between john rose. In a lot of cases he completely defy genre classification or he would deconstruct conventions like it was just no big deal just like oh johnny. Tell us what i do. And he was a fucking around and doing it as just a fun exercise. He was made these brilliant acclaimed and popular films and for some reason for some reason. I can't even watch most of his shit without hunting. It down on a private torrent tracker. So i guess i'm going to throw this out to esteemed guests ryan twin. Where the fuck is the toll respect. Why can't i get this stuff on blu ray man. Well i would. I say that it is like even for the figures like you mentioned like say prime period blue or ringo lam that they themselves even though they don't have especially consistent track record in terms of home releases and blue like popper the proper channels. And i think that's hong kong cinema in general has has suffer further from that partially due to sort of scattershot interest from the west partly due to dodgy tangled financial financing things and. I think that that still applies to toe. I think that tokyo is an interesting case. Where he has had films have sporadically become relative. Hits in the west like say p to you or or drug war. But he hasn't had that sort of consistency. I think that it's in some ways highlighted because of because he's made so many great films and yet because there's just been so many it's been the. Us market hasn't been the best in keeping up to it. So i think it's more like it's not necessarily that. He's a particular case in which it's been particularly laxed is just that because he's just had so many more. It's just compounded in a certain way it's not like it's more cases that than i also missing now. I think you're totally on point with that. Because i mean even even if you have someone like the guy who does hong kong rescue those releases where he does really nice releases sort of on the down. Low unofficially What he's doing. Something like john or something like that. Like he's he's only looking at three or four different movies that he needs to really focus and remastered and released but which only tell you take twenty of his films and easily just start bumping him out so it's not like there's there's just like two or three great ones that you can just cherry and be like okay. This is the definitive work. Because i think this this episode of the podcast is going to be a really good example. The guy can do pretty much. Anything it really. It's kind of mind blowing and one of the movies that we watch this week was was running on karma and off off air. I was joking with you guys that like. How could you even begin to explain this movie to someone and more specifically even if you did how could you be like at the also kind of teared up at the end and a really profound viewing experience for me. It's just running karma more so than anything else. We watched this week. It's just completely blew my mind in terms of what it was. I mean if if i were if i were to describe it to somebody i would probably say something along the lines of among turn bodybuilder with the gift ac- into people's lives befriends of female copies gift to change the force of carmen her destiny. I mean it's really kind of god a did you do you write a lot of. Imdb didn't even mention the muscle. Seuss like some sort of radio would probably say a six point six hundred ten here. It's popular with friends. David ehrlich's review would be like it's avatar. The last air bender meets magic mike. It's really strange film. Because it's kind of when you start out in this movie. It looks like it has to be a comedy. 'cause what career and even is a star. He's literally in like the aforementioned rubber bodybuilder sued like he's in this pathetic sou- which is at at. I instantly looks fake but also way more realistic than i'm comfortable with new to actually want jumps. It's very strange effect. And and he's in the suit for pretty much the entire movie and so you think okay. It's a comedy there's a he's hell. He's got a superpower he can see people as karma so you know it's like he any health teams up the cop to catch criminal and multiple criminals. It it makes a lotta sense. It's kind of genre film. A kind of a kookie comedy mismatched cop. Payer superpowers tracking down criminals. And then it's not really bad at all but by the close combs kind of a meditation on kind of action. And what you know being in the world and you know the idea of what it what it means to do good. It's really no it's actually it turns into like you know all those revenge movies that are about how revenge is bad. Actually this is actually better than ninety nine point nine percent of them on that exact topic and several were. It's a strangely stirring film. But you know when you walk into it. It seems like this is a comedy rush and then at a certain point. It's not some terrible things happen. Ambled the guy still in a rubber suit. So so you're kind of saying it's like Hong kong's Rebuttal to cbs's early edition. Yes worked at from out exactly what it is. Sean that's nailed it. Man absolutely nailed it. Yeah i i don't know it like jack said it really does kinda pull the rug out from under you a but also i feel like that's what johnny capable of doing and get away with more so than any other filmmaker like. There's so many movies that would piss me off or would feel like whiplash if they totally jumped around the way that johnny toe consistently does or tried to pull off some of the endings that he does but the way that he just smoothly transitions between a superhero movie. And a buddy cop movie and over the top physical comedy and kung fu action. And very serious. You know philosophical drama. It's it's wild absolutely wild things fair to call him a dexterous filmmaker. Are you still not the. Imdb pages of your voice didn't lend that sort of a depression. Big any trivia at this movie. You'd like to share. Sean sean sean. While you're on the imdb trivia page. I need to know because it all serious. This is a great movie. But when i was of examining the beauty of the rubber suit i was trying to find the seems like where the rubber ended and and the man began whether rubber method kinda. Yeah that type of thing. And i think the hardest part for me was when he was completely naked. Was that israel ass or is that robert suit ass. I don't know it's it's part of the suit is this is this. The johnny toews like most Like farcical film in that regard or like that touch is like the most like of farcical. Because i know just based on like watching exiled like that like i said last episode like plays at sort of like you know sort of magical realism or whatever. You wanna call it. So yeah i guess like is that is this kind of as wild as it is in terms of just like one sort of aspect of the film that lana died in a certain sense because the facts suits in that like they have different. Sort of more obviously pitched the comedy. But like i think maybe because it's located in this particular way and should say. I don't think we said that was andy lau in a. He's wearing the muscles that he's weighing the fats in montana which was two years prior and so i think partly it has a lot to do with the familiarity with him just with because he's not by any means especially builds or like he's average and to see him in it and give lenses lenses a great a great jolt and you never really get totally like the points they you never get totally convinced by it like it always remains in. The strange in between place wins vibes in a in a certain way. Yeah i think. I think the the effect is really interesting Like you say. There's i think there's kind of a meta textual joke in. That is just a few years prior andy. Lau was an enormous obese man in a pre and now he's a bodybuilder. Complete physical transformation achieved through literally no physical effort artist district on like say for example. The mcu marvel universe and their steroids procure methods etc. And everyone going out and getting ripped over overnight for whatever older taking and be had there. There's kind of this strange element the body willing suit. that is. it's kind of like a monk. He plays a monk who his friend is murdered and he. He's very upset by this because he wanted to catch the murderer and he can't and in his anger about this he kills a small bird and this forces him to he meditates over. The bird's body is a monk because this is he. Is you know taking a life anger by accident. And he gained insight into into karma into the flow of you know the balance of darkness law i guess and once gains his inside he he leaves the monastic life and he joins a certain secular life. And there's this sort of strange. Like i don't is a monk. I guess he was also very large but he kind of towards the end of the movie. He slims down once he gains like a full enlightenment and he returns to the bunk life. They're sort of this. Balancing act between the secular life. Seems to have this strange on reality to what i mean a lot of the choreography of the fights etc very strong like heavy wire work kind of you know anti gravity elements to it's going to. His muscular physique is sort of an almost like a packaging. Almost like you know kind of external end the shield against i think the fact that he's trying to engage from the world he's gained insight into the world that he doesn't want to he. He basically tries to stop acting in the world to some degree and in the secular world. He just just nonsense stuff. He andrews bodybuilding contests and he works as a male stripper. You know he's he's just kind of like you know he's not doing anything great and only towards the you know he meets this call that he kind of becomes kind of enamored with and also like a you know. It's not not even romance there. Which i think you know you'd almost expect would be would make sense. You know you a man and a woman meeting a movie. Normally that's an angle you duchess naturally fits in and toan wi fi. Don't don't fall. That had just seemed like their kind of colleagues and they kind of help each other out but it's really just meeting her and seeing that she's in danger because she has bad karma effectively that that he starts to integrate back into the world and starts try to take action to change the world and the the film subsequently is basically an examination of what the you know what his actions will accomplish which turns out to not be what he expected to accomplish. And who's really interesting. It's kind of difficult not talk about this the ending of the film. If you haven't seen any of these movies do go and watch them. I i guess. But i'm running karma has again the surprising thing of like the woman the corpse karma so bad she heave reckon. She's going to die and she does. She is murdered. that happens. That wouldn't happen. Probably in a western movie short of like seven or something like it would be if it were to happen more. Typically in western movies at a main character like that would die on into brutal fashion. It would gruesome something that would like to american audiences. Will you would just go down in cult film lord like could you imagine doing that. And in this is kind of like it becomes almost incidental because it's he starts to understand that greater flow of things and yeah. It's just this film really more than any other film that i can think of really repels john. Complete because sean rick categorizes world in a certain way and this becomes a meditation on kind of how the world really is or how you know. It's strangely in. Its in its own reality becomes about how we you know what we do in the world and that kind of means can't really take shortcuts a lot of this to at so it's a very strange way and that. It's a very heightened reality. That i think actually come through with a very kind of real message is really impressive. Piece of filmmaking. This is just such a strange film and an will that you know wrongfoot you continually like you will. You don't know what's going to happen. I just told you what happened you to vote in. You have no idea absolutely no idea. I'm glad that you mentioned back there. Wyckoff who i like. He is along with like one of the most important people milky way toes career. I think that in essence you can divide sort of toes photography into the films that he made with lycopene without like there's sort of this this film in particular was co-directed and there are a number of films that are directed though not the other ones. They're covering on the podcast. But i think even more than that. It's more the films that has been involved in whether it's writing or producing on other films. I think there's a very clear break. And running on karma is sort of a prototypical example. Because it's all about s- essentially wyckoff is wheelhouse which is essentially plot twist almost meta fictional aspect at times this spiritual epiphany striving for spiritual enlightenment to a certain degree but it's it's a more valley the way in which characters relate to each other into the world which is very different from the way that that tomes operates them. We can definitely get into this more with other films experiments since his very clearly a toe only film but you a lot of allow the romantic comedy set. Toe is made have involved. There's my left eye cisco's which is a really really beautiful film and especially a lot of his films in the twenty tens have have been very heavily influenced by why even something like drug were which which would seem to be the outlier. In which i know you'll cover is very much alive influence phone because of how its characters sort of pinball and this almost fate this fashion very much dictated by fate and an almost farcical nature to the violence which is very distinctly different from how to by himself would make it so and we can definitely end to these more as as we go through other fellas but i think it's very important to know and it's i personally. I'm not exactly certain in what way the co directed films are necessarily distinct from the co written or produced films that why is done with toe but vise career in another self is fascinating. I i know especially the film filmed. I've seen of his directed too many ways to be number one from nineteen ninety-seven is one of the best films. Also and a very different one but it has this incredible approach structure and to character and starting to lend which is which is absolutely great. And i think that the the why the why touch cannot be underestimated into his career Yeah you mentioned sparrow is a good time to jump over into that movie because it feels like almost. I'm glad that we watched this in the group that we did. Because i think running on karma and then going into sparrow. It's a good transition away from his more action oriented stuff which is also kind of funny. Because i feel like. I don't know like the last sequence of sparrow which i will talk about in detail is like one of the most impressively choreographed things fair life. I mean and people like you know. This is jaw dropping or something like that. But literally i was like drooling on myself as i was watched. My god But but sparrow. I guess we had to some this one up again. It's another one of his films. That defies categorization. But is this sort of just johnny toe making a bet that he can make a french new wave movie. That's better than most french. New wave movies. If we're gonna continue the earth thing this would be like Ocean's eleven meets like love on iran or something. There you go wow us. A particular particular issue is. Is that the one i mean. It's been forever since. I washed danielle series. But is that the one where he's like the clip show. One is the last one in this series. Never whistle on kisses. Or yes yes where. There's like sort of that caper aspect There we go nailed it. So if you're listening we'll do. Erlich reviews for you exact. Same thing we do it for half the money. All there is like the opening Twenty thirty minutes is just like such a like joyful experience. That like really did. Bring me back like to watching french films when i was seventeen years old. And just being like this. Just delightful is so fun and the music just like so upbeat. and just high-spirited filmmaking. Yeah i honestly. I felt the exact same way like the first time. I watch breathless when i was in high school. And you just get that. Cadillac jolted energy. And it's one of those things where you feel like you're never going to get that feeling again you know it's like hey remember the very first time you smoked a cigarette and got bad rush and then after that you just become addicted to nicotine and you never get rush again but this is like you're getting back it really is. It's like energizing. I that level. It's like i'm reminded like you know famously. Jackie chan what. It was making somebody if he's used to just kind of wander around and look for locations. Were props that. He would then integrate into his movies like a lot of his movies. Just had improvised kind of physical elements. He just like find a poll. Maybe i could climb that and that would make its way into the film. This film just feels like johnny to- walked around hong kong and it's just like i bet if i frame this junction. This would look amazing. It is building in this part like the whole film. Just feels like just as a portion of these just picture-perfect frames and the one. Perfect shot account on twitter. Could just like literally. Just make a kill off this whole movie and and in contracts running and carmen like this is. This is a plot. You could almost some open like one sentence. It's kinda like four pickpockets. Who find out. Someone wants to stop them from pickpocketing. And a woman's fate hangs in the balance in the middle of it and that's that's the whole thing hits him again the rebuttal of the concept that the script is the phil like. This is absolutely realizing something in a way that you could do with no other media this this film would not. You couldn't make the play of sparrow. It would be goofy as hell and no one would talk for long periods. It wouldn't make any sense. Yeah this is remarkable film. That french new wave area elements. To of course i think weighs heavily. We have we have an entire choreographic. Umbrellas that finalizes the film that pretty on mistake -able reference but in a very different milieu. And it's it's strange because it's kind of got that gangster feel of some of toes who other work in. This film are literally and kind of like their pickpocketing. And someone doesn't want them to save need to stop and that's it and the and even the woman they're saving right it's like a. It's not like they're saving her from certain death or something. She's just like yeah. I'm with this old gross guy. And i don't want to be and the consequences of them not successfully. Rescuing her are she has to wait until he dies. And then she inherits all of his wealth. Right yeah so we're structure play. It's gonna straight any you think realistically this is kind of this. Remind me lot off throwdown. It's kind of a film about just people kind of relating to each other like suffused with a style that really kind of jails that makes no absolutely like a incredible work of cinema again. That really can't couldn't be done in any other way. And i like this one more than than throwdown. Honesty i think is one of my favorite of toes films. I think like anything. It feels like your favourite film. It's kinda like if someone says like why'd you really liked this movie. Wise on your favorites. He just my brain shuts down like. Did you like fuck up into may just self evident drill making like just like a joyful but also does have like Sort of a western. Feel to it as well like this like this band that is going up against this one guy and also this woman kind of comes between them and His his just vocab like going through these films. His vocabulary of cinema just like is just really aggressive. Yeah this is my favorite toe. And i think that this sort of like the allies among the circles like the prototypical like these two are like the favorites throw on is one of my favorites though the top ones but i think that the one that this really has. Dna in common with. It's like both films star. Semi both films are were shot over a couple of years in college. And i think that i don't know exactly the process by told me to buy. It definitely has the knowing that accentuates the feel of this being sort of like a film that was made out of a hodgepodge of locations and a sense of what would be like. What would photograph grow of course but also like how would it into this sort of ballet this sort of interlocking nest of of parts glitz. It's so fascinating because it it in essence like that sort of ballet. That sort of lightness is is mashed. Together with his very hawks. Fan approach to dynamic on the floor pickpockets and also the like there's also a certain darkness or it's a like it never even while the characters i think all the charac- pretty much all the characters are sympathetic to one degree or another. But they all have this darkness or the instability about them. I don't know if the phone would. Maybe be even better. If it's completely silent or like completely without dialogue. i think it could function that way. But even so there are these toll like will impart like a key piece of biography and like a single line and the not referred to again like and in that way. It's sort of like the progression of your understanding of the character of each character is as is defined determined far more by the way they the popular facial expressions that they make this sort of the keys. Seen or the key moment when when. Simon yen's character. I seized kelly lynn's while taking the photographs and the sort of strange smile gets halfway between like lear and a smirk and Like an almost like a grain of comfort or something like that it's within all these different levels and it's and it's hard to parse nocera way and i think that's entirely to the benefit delegate. It conjures the feeling of this city as something that's both inviting and strange and and a little bit sinister times and certainly the that. So much of the film takes sat satellites and in this sort of sense of of of like half total darkness. It's it's it really gets to me in that turned away and just the just the variety in interactions the how different each of the ways in which kelly lynn gets one over on. The men is just endlessly fun to me and the and how the each a different body part broken a collectively there. One man by the end. I i don't have like the widest vocabulary of a modern hong kong cinema. But like the way that he shoots. Hong kong looks different to me like it looks. It looks particular to him and More than that like Like when he shoots especially down like streets and stuff. I noticed between this and don't go breaking my heart. That like his match cuts are so interesting like match on action. Stuff is just like. I feel like maybe this is just part of growing up in the in the west in watching those films but i feel like you have expectations of match on action cuts and his. He just seems to have. This is where to put a camera in like in it's always like continuing movement that you just you you. It's almost disorienting efforts in in a very pleasing way just like. Oh okay now. We're like moving from behind her shoulder at this like medium shot and we were just like seeing harold from like two hundred feet away and i don't know i didn't do either of you or interview come notice that or have any thoughts about that. I think there's a certain element to it. M the gonna remind me. I'm not i'm not conjuring up. This is the one that i watched the first Back at this point so not picking up the the immediate like examples but yeah. I do think that he's like. I wonder how to works. Because this reminds me somewhat of like you know. Hey john ford famously knew how illich he would film scenes. He caught them in his head like he was able to do that on sash. Which was kind of like he just knew the craft that well you know famously would claim that there was no craft. She would at all which we all know isn't true because we see movies at weren't may john. So m toe. Has that exact same kind of mastery that everything fits together incredibly well with in very intricate ways. He's righty cuts on movement. To woods is incredible fluidity. He frames compositions. Like this film is just unceasingly interesting to the every single piece of verse every person moving in the frame every building in the skyline kind of like creates this incredible like imagery and it just feels that he just someone who understands. Quit like fundamentally how a film is constructed. And i don't know if he is like i don't know if he storyboards feels like a lot of his stuff is made very quickly so i'm guessing he doesn't. I'm just wondering if he has like john ability that he can just move the camera around on the day and just know that the shots will work. You know. I don't know how it feels like. There must be just some incredible innate understanding of how to structure film. Yeah i i don't know much about his his process. But i'm i'm kind of the same my where i don't know logistically how he could story board but also just with his technique. I don't know how he can frame the shots the way that he does and draw my eye to certain parts of the screen without storyboarding everything out so i think he's just working on a completely different love. I think he's got the john ford brain. That's the only explanation leads to be the the other thing about the city in this. And so i think i mentioned the last episode as well. It's something that's kind of interesting to me. Is that when. I think of hong kong a city. I've never been to you know. And if you watch a lot of hong kong movies hong kong is sweaty and thronged and boss alling and just full of people every shot. there's people everywhere. And i know a lot of like hong kong films like they They sneak shots on street level. Because you know permits and stuff. I think it's pretty similar to america. Permits can be a pain in the ass forget. Sometimes it's just easier to the camera down. Grab what you need in run and so a lot of this but there's people everywhere it's just all kinds of stuff happening all the time toes films don't have that he has inspirer was well. Tomorrow has some sequences in like the central business district. I got they have to rob someone so there has to be so when they're they're still just empty space on the streets. That is not something. You'd find in like john woo film or a ringo landfill. Where if pull back on a sidewalk in hong kong. They're just be. You could barely move. Every chase in. Hong kong film is like just pushing through. You know ten layers. Deep of just bystanders. So there's that stylize ation and i get. I don't know how he does that. Used has has his technique for clearing people out. I guess he must get permits for some of us and but yeah he's a very. It's a very different vision of hong kong. Actually it's something that would contrast to maybe as won't don't go breaking my heart which is probably the busiest to- film i've seen like all people are so that's kind of an unusual but spiro is actually very sparse really be everyone into frame seems to be required in the frame. It's especially noticeable. I think insperity just because it's such a airy almost the'real film like there's there's a lightness to it that i can't really articulate very well without saying get just just go watch this one you'll get it and what you're talking about to that that lack of of the crowded sweaty hong kong that we're used to seeing really emphasizes that and also don't go breaking my heart you're right it's. It's probably the one film that we've watched where hong kong actually feels like a little bit more crowded. But even at that point it's crowded as what like tulsa oklahoma it doesn't feel like a humongous bustling metropolis it. There's still a level of intimacy we should. We should mention like as we're talking about. Sort of the mood of sparrow that like music plays a large part of it and sometimes it changes so drastically. Sometimes it's really funny. There's definitely mention the beautiful sequence between simon and simon yam and kelly lin. Where their car. And they're smoking or she's like lighting up a cigarette and passes it to him and he just like is like the most like gesture alike sensor oriole like moment that you will see. That's not like a long car. Why phone but has these like funny. Music cues that just keeps it from I mean it doesn't really keep it from being something just is something else you know there. There's a lightness curiosity to it. You wonder if elevator to the gallows perhaps was a french new wave connections. You know film that had improviser score that maybe he had that in mind absolutely music is integral to the structuring and the rhythm of the film it's very playful too because i mean it's it's extremely jazzy but then it dips into. I don't know some kind of like old. Hollywood mid-century musical sensibilities and then it kind of oscillates back into more traditional chinese music and then there's parts to. It's very deliberate to the point where it's drawing attention to itself where it kind of switches gears into the only way i can describe it as the nintendo. We menu music. This is kind of like. It's this very relaxing artificial kind of background. And i'm making it sound like it's you know it's terrible so it's not like totally. It draws your attention as it has a very distinct purpose to it but it's also the kind of thing where if you were to tell me that a movie with a predominantly jazz driven score would would suddenly pivot on a dime into a you know a song that sounds like that. I would call you crazy and here we are. Because we're we're talking johnny movies and that's just the way it works. Yeah definitely is meant to like shift. You understand the scene or or or reconfigure in a certain way especially especially in the umbrella rain sort of finale where it has this very like. It's like sort of halfway to intense. Like it has like definitely suggests that that sort of thing that you would expect from such a relatively momentous rope momentous occasion but it always keeps changing even within the scene in a way that corresponds to the very stages that simon has to go through it has. This is a very strange but very wonderful effect. I really adore the score. I want to talk a little bit more to about the umbrella sequence at the end because it really is just just the culmination of all all the little tricks and things that draw your eye in sparrow. The things that make it so special. It's almost like at the end. He's like okay. So now i'm going to take all of that and just give it to you in the biggest dose humanly possible. It really is. It's almost like a sensory overload. And it's i dunno sean. Help me out here. What makes this really is like. It's the kind of thing where it leaves you. Speechless it absolutely utterly beautiful. Through like i was talking about with exiled last week of like that opening of that film in how much is done through gestures. The same thing is here in like win is just this large patch of film. That is like that. There's no dialogue and it's all done through looks and movement and rain. Plays a huge part in in this as well but He just like cuts in between these like tight spaces. These people moving between doing little tiny clandestine things with their hands. And you just you just understand it. All and it's it's very playful but intent. I eight. It's a musical effectively. Am yeah and you know at another french reference. A kinda reminds me of totti's playtime in that kind of idea that it's it's like the rhythm of the musical. That's not a musical table and no one breaks into song or anything but the kind of incorporates the movement of the different parties and in this film. It's kinda like we. It ends in basically pickpocket face off and you have one group thing buckets versus another group and they both know that there were you know. They're both trying to stay one object. They know they're trying to steal or maintain so so they everyone's briefed involved. They have to do when they all know what each other looks like. So it's like the ultimate the ultimate trick in being a pickpocket is robbing from someone. Who knows who you are and that you're trying to rob them am and it's a cycle through all these different groups and kind of like building and building. We kind of work at who who swear you know in relation to each other. What are they doing. Why are they doing this. And that. and there's this rhythm that create essentially a dance number and it reminds into the conclusion of playtime where you know. It's kind of like they dance through. It's like a roundabout full of traffic and the whole city becomes kind of like a dance number. But there's no you know it's it's not a traditional dance number. Two dance number made up of people who are not aware. I guess or earth consciously participation you know. It's kind of an unusual effect but yeah it's just a incredible lyrical piece of cinema. And you say there are. No one has to say a word. It's all up there and it's it's a religious god. It's just incredible incredible piece and we're like this movie. I can't like honestly. This movie is not talked about that much. I'm just kind of blown away by that. 'cause it's incredible and sean mentioned you know there's their strong western analogues for this film. This feeling it should be an easy sell into the western market and yet honestly this got a dvd release in the uk. And i'm not sure if it was ever released in the us so that sox released the kind of movie. though where. As soon as i was done. I just started texting. People like listen. I'm going to send you a google drive link to this move. Just watch it just watching it to kind of us. Run up to people and shake him and tell them to watch it. It's also pretty. Lean run time. Which helps. yeah well. should we move on. Let's do a baby. Why don't we talk about. I guess from from this group probably the most traditional of all the films that we watch but also another one that is i mean. It's just as playful and and good at subverting conventions. Is there anything else that we've talked about. So don't go breaking my heart ryan. Have you ever gotten more emotionally invested in a frog before. I can't say i have. This is also one of my very favorite toes. I think in some ways. It's a very a very clear mission statement in a certain way especially for the films that he would make in the two thousand ten's and certainly post the recession yet. He had definitely loved films. Interface with that very directly whether it be my thought principal or office Extent and. I think that this one especially feels very much a mission statement and its mission statement in in march because it almost like leaps over or it it. It's a very event that happens within the narrative. But then it's almost gloss over which lends a very interesting inflection to allow the allow the goings on. And i think it's a. It's basically like a perfect romantic comedy and certainly a lot. Yeah it's there. You mentioned the the economic crash because that does seem to be something that plays in an because i know throwdown came out. I kind of anthro. Throwdown was film but like kinda keep jin open. Keep going and that came out. I believe ride on the back of like the sars epidemic which hong kong was a devastating blow to their economy and to the film industry of hong kong which was already not great shape in the early two thousands so there were certainly kind of potential reading for that film as a kind of an encouragement to the hong kong film industry or hong kong audiences would see us. And that's interesting. 'cause this phil has this almost comical view of financial trading and everyone in this is in the works in finance but they mostly just kind of like talk about buying or selling without mentioning wander by selling. There's no specifics involve which frankly might be closer to the truth. And we'd all like to admit. I don't know but yeah this. This is strange. This is what's about watching. This was that. I just came off the back of watching. The movies were watched the first episode. All these gangster movies by guys having conversations with each other through gunfire and then you watch this movie which is really kind of a bright bubbly romantic comedy kind of realize that there's an enormous amount of structural similarity which is a little bit weird and in the way that toe frames a city. The way there's so much in this gesture am. I think like hollywood. Romantic comedies are very traditionally driven by dialogue. Hollywood generally i think is driven by dialogue. Everyone talks too much in hollywood. Movies has been a consistent complaint of mine and people talk more in this movie than sparrow. Certainly or many other. Johnny to- movies but they're still entire passages take place without you know without dialogue being particularly key issues kind of little nuances and glances and little shots that match together to create little stories of decanters expectations and longings i and whether they are there sated or or rejected and really. This is just like a really good wrong. It's so inviting and yet is so so much more interested in this kind of made me watching this. I just kinda realized how we made are so many wrong calms. Now that this movie you know you don't have to like rom coms to like this because there's just so much in the frame they're so much happening and there is also a frog. You know wonderful things john too. I think i told you guys like f. I watched this was like god. This is amazing. It's literally one of the best romantic comedies. I've ever seen and it would be so easy to to remake it in america and just have it starlike bill hader and emma stone it would fucking suck because everyone would just talk endlessly at each other and the the real beauty here is i mean. It's a love triangle. But before the triangle fully forms we get to watch two characters essentially build this romance between each other across a street between two office buildings through two glass windows and then later you know these. These romances they blossom or in some cases fall apart over time so the other part of the triangle is someone who had literally one evening of interaction with this woman and has sort of built this mythos around her and turned his life around based on this one interaction. He had with her and all the memories that he took from that experience. It's it's fucking beautiful and the way it plays out so beautiful and there's no way in american film could ever touch this. Basically we've talked about the frog and So the fraud plays this symbolic importance between these two characters. That are like sort of back and forth Out of touch with each other after this. This great like meet hugh where they're like sort of helping each other out and But the film even before that like opens on the disillusioned on this of this relationship and Which the frog was an integral part of that relationship and one of the things. I was struck by that might might come across a small but it was just one of those things that you're just not used to or i wasn't used to after watching so many american ron comes. Is that this symbol was able to be transformed from one relationship to another without this like baggage. You know like it now means something else. Yes it meant something to me with somebody else before but now it's something else that is like was kind of powerful to me. I really appreciate it that same absolutely. Yeah i think that what you were saying about the sort of the beauty of the one night meet q. Is it precisely because able to make you feel the impact of it make you feel. Just how spontaneous and an effervescent it is in like and it culminates in that like maybe like the best shot diet tells ever made of of of and holding holding up the gesturing with that whiskey bottle urging urging to go on and be able to turns life around the as the bus headlights. Illuminate her shadow which then inspires him to make this ultimate in incredible skyscraper like an to sort of juxtapose all those things within the single frame like it. That's sort of a key. Example of how tos able to transform and and inflicts these moments of both these moments and these objects and how he's able to keep them in mind while also juggling all these other things because this is definitely a much cloudier pottier. I guess from the other all the toast but certainly a good portion of them. And i think that it's definitely important that he's not shortchange. Either any of the any of the polls of the of this love triangle. Partially because louis koo is this decade this sort of inaugurated like this incredible decade of of performances and also forms another link in sort of cycle or continuing physical debasement that he goes through a lot of a lot of films including allowed to films and it it. Has this like the way that uses him and like at openly acknowledged his failings his from security while also showing like how how how much of a galvanizing and genuinely compassion force it can be at times. It's it's a very remarkable absolutely. There's this move as a strong horn is not a crime shows. A major part of louis koo is subject to horny innis a she. Actually the pla boise gates. He's he's he. Its nose bleeds from every sees women with big breasts and he sees many of them in this. It's a recurring problem. Meanwhile daniel playing a recovering alcoholic is very true. And he's very classically morally upright man. He's he's very principle. He follows his dream. He he kinda gets back on the wagon and becomes very his. His love is very true and beautiful. And and i guess that's interesting there isn't really a villain either louis coosa tumbles. But he's not a bad guy. He's not like you know in the standard modern wrong concerts. Usually where they find out one guy is cheating or one guy is you know. He's he's got some kind of malevolent alterior motive which ruled him out entirely from being chosen by by our our heroine. That doesn't happen here. Louis koo steps. It's very clear that both of these men have a very passionate feeling for the for the leading lady which makes the final the final showdown of this the showdown where for two men propose marriage to her genuinely kind of like. I didn't know which way it would go on known to me. She like what's nice dynamic is like you know. She is clearly more interested or like her. She has more feelings for the guy that she shouldn't. And while this other things kind of developing and she goes back and forth. And i was i was taking with how much it goes back and forth like. Don't know it was like. Oh they're still half hour laughed even though she just liked joe's the right one or whatever which is nice. Yeah well and you mentioned too ryan mentioned it that this is this is one of the more plot heavy toes. But it's interesting to me because the way that it it it kind of lays out the plot you have essentially in this love triangle. You have to separate but familiar romcom archetypes right so you have this one guy who's like fundamentally a good person but he's an alcoholic and he's completely passionate about this woman than this other guy who. He's he's rich he's good looking and he's successful but he's a he's got some womanizing. Problems needs to get his shit together. And like you said there's no there's no bad guy here if these characters were separated. These were two separate movies. Which in american romcom. That would be it. This would be the guy that they both be the guy they both be the one that she would pursue and ultimately be with. And that's what makes us so fun because you've seen a million movies before with one of these two male leads and so it's really a fun exercise where you don't know until she actually choose one of them which one she's going to choose because they're they're both. There's no wrong choice. yeah i think we should. We shouldn't discount as well. I think that a lot of what makes us so funny. This is an extremely funny. How how tos is very willing to lean into the extremity of the situations in the scale of what goes on like he will have like when when when because those clinton when when he first comes in because he's the new boss spits this entire this entire mouth water. All all over. The board members are when when like in early an earlier time when those who said that that would have to be a martian or something to be from to be able to be loyal to a single woman and then and then a daniel was assistant mentions later onto to him that that she literally calls like the martian and then immediately pulls out some blackened since furiously christly dabbing his face or in the climax. Where the danny will literally eases the lights of an entire skyscraper to propose and that's contrasted with this image of those students that called this amid very nicely done very large banner but i just cannot compare it to this entire skyscraper lights there. There's incredible like match off between intellectual versus physicality in that one guy makes buildings and the other guy climbs buildings and you know and it kind of is this elmo that they both have an incredible amount of passion and she is torn between them and like ryan special. Do i do think it's worth mentioning like lamps. Away is a wonderful welcome presence in almost all johnny tohfill here. He is amazing completely comic. Bumbling row he is just incredible throughout inches. Mostly just running around with a cell phone. This is the movie about everyone. That's like twenty twenty vision because entire conversations of this film into ill people picking out details in the office block across the road lamb. Saw is yeah. He's he's mostly just on a phone screaming things. Were looking into another piloting. And it's it's kind of amazing. How much how mileage. She gets a real. I guess he's he's often physical presence and johnny toe films. But i never seen him like this. Before re-lane the closest. I can think of is at watching broadcast news where he had a very comic role as a kind of a civilian caught in the middle of a of a hostage situation. And there's this like weird slapstick relationship with him. The kind of like giving into the hostages and kind of sensibly like earth the terrorist is like they're very violent. We should just do what they say. And he's still on who's very morally upright telling his old man that he's like a coward. There's there's weird tension in that. That's probably the only other what i think that really gets the same kind of physical immediacy of this role where he is just like running around and always like just a half a beat behind everyone else. I'm just nails every time. Just absolutely fantastic subplot to this film. All every single one of great in basically any alcohol felonies in which is a lot and always in this in the serveral. And you'll definitely see good amount in the next episode as well. I'm not sure is it. Is it because. I think i heard that he wasn't originally an actor. I think was was johnny to- who pulled him in into fill. I'm not sure if that's true or not. I think i saw that somewhere that he was like a crew member or something and he just got pulled on screen. But i don't know if like he didn't go the traditional route. I don't know if that's true because he's obviously an incredibly gifted actor. So maybe that's maybe that's not true. That seems too good to be true. Perhaps speaking of actors union offers as a segue sorts bone before move. I should mention that the sequel don't go breaking. My heart is in some ways and even more interesting film. Both shotgun morgan. Who've been my essentially to- china's especially to those stars like they actually prefer it in many ways. I think it's also one of his best films and it's very it's also mirror image or like the antithesis of this. It's it has its own sort of light elements and is very funny but it. It doubles down in a way that almost exposes the flaws or the dream fantasy of the first phone because it has like interest as another central couple at it puts in all these different linkages. It somehow like quadruples the exertion of the of the climax of this of this film an incredible way and has this very it's not bleak necessarily but it has this sort of downbeat called. That's really fascinating. I think it's a. It's definitely a major for me. I certain i don't like it as much as this one. But i think that's because i literally just watching earlier today and honestly i don't like it as much because it hurt my feeling seattle back to it later. I love the first one more because it doesn't like at the second one does hurt me in a certain way really interesting. I i will mention just since we. We just talked about availability and at the recording of this podcast. Both of these films. Don't go breaking my heart. One and two are on netflix. Us so they are probably the easiest. You will ever find to find some johnny to- films so do check them out. Yes blended active also which is another pairing. The of the two main actors earned next and our last bump. Well we get one more left to talk about. So i feel like the last one. We're going to talk about here is romancing in thin air and i feel like with this one. It's is this just johnny to- scolding younger me for like mocking classic hollywood ending or just taking too personal reading with swat. This movie is great. Okay so my summation of this movie is essentially for like two thirds of this. I was watching. I really enjoyed. And i'm like this is a lovely drama. This is a nice boost. My mom was like this and then the final third is like fucking my watching cinema reconfigured. And it's incredible. I think this is honestly creeping up there as one of my one of my favorite toe films just this one. Just let me kind of sitting in the senate in my seat. Just kind of going. Like what wa- again like i keep saying. These are like magic tricks when i watch movies. This is another one. It's like what the hell. How did she do this. Yeah it's wonderful film. It's another film that deals with a triangle as well and it really fascinating way involves a movie star on like a bender. Who what is he doing. Like ends up in the wilderness at his number one fans like cabin as drunk and he falls in the back for truck driven home with her by accident because he proposes to his his lifetime. Love who uses coast are in his last movie and like his muse inspired him to make this film that won a top award and we proposes to her publicly in. They're going to get married in public and her her lost love almost like a whole other film. We didn't see her lost. Love shows up out of nowhere and they made an open. They re she elopes with him so he starts drinking and yet faults and literally falls in the back of like little moped thing and gets driven home and ends up in in weirdly. A place called shine crew law which i looked into this because it was like. Is this where you know shangri la. It's like a paradise place on. Is this where that came from. No shangri la a fictional creation in a book by someone. I've never heard of before. But apparently this place. In china they just renamed shangri la in like two thousand eleven to troll tourism. So it's really seems terrifying place on earth to me. I mean there's a small town and there's this hotel but it's just like well don't go in the woods. They call what he got bears. Now it's not it's not animals you walk into the woods if you walk more than twenty yards. You're going to be lost for seven years eventually. Die set incredible point in film where it's something that toan at awash and weicker fires. Well probably why five maybe more in the writing of things where he creates these very literal symbols of the film and integrates demand. But the aren't distracting to me like like you mentioned stephen. This there is a forest nearby. This woman runs this hotel and she's waiting for her husband to return. Hopefully and her husband is lost in as far as the forest has a mine with the matter which gives off magnetic interference which means that compass don't work so people just get lost in the forest and they can never find their way out which is obviously a metaphor for everyone in this move. He tried to find their way. But it somehow and particularly with the conclusion which will get kind of like really racks in the whole role of cinema in the whole process of storytelling. In the reality that we're witnessing it's not distracting. It's cheesy in a sense but it just suddenly. It's transformed in the finale and it just works really seamlessly. I'm just kind of again like i. Just don't understand how these movies are this good and we just keeps making them. We also have the go. Remy symbol stuff in this too yeah. There's a lot of stuff like that is on paper or like in again like an american analog to this like some drama romance drama where it would just be hitting it really hard in ways that it just kind of like okay we have the symbol and this is going to do all the work for us and like just always goes beyond that i was gonna say if you wanna get into some real. Grandstanding like power of cinema of stuff. Jack you mentioned it. I don't know which one we were talking about. Maybe we sparrow. Maybe it's running on karma but basically of these johnny thome movies. The connective tissue here is they are proof positive that the script does not make the movie like this is any of any of these movies without johnny till just just words on paper. There's so much here where you're like. Oh god why is this the metaphor. Why why is this happening. Why why is this going on. None of this should work and the way that he just pulls the rug out from under you consistently i mean. That's that's like that's like even a part of this film. Mike meta tax trillion. There's like a script written by the android character. And she reads it like he makes it for her forgotten n. she reads it and then you see her go and actually see the film and it's just like an entirely different experience that she wasn't prepared for ya on the film. This reminded me of a little bit as a completely different film meeting glorious bastards which is the same kind of tone at all. Let me let me tell you but yeah. This is almost like a movie. That's almost like cinema control. The world thursday that kind of like end kind of like culmination that our hero ultimately uses the power of film to not quite tell the truth. Tell i guess like hertzog would say like an ecstatic truth. Something that exists beyond the truth something greater than it but truer than than what actually happened to reconcile his relationship with the woman who jilted him at the altar and then also build a new relationship with another woman he he g basically he. He makes a film about this woman's husband to it. Turns out eventually has died in the forest. Which is the everyone knew. After seven years in a far chances are you know probably not come back out again and so so you know he. He makes a film about this and but his film doesn't follow the orders of the events. We have just witnessed we saw in the film. What actually happened. The film tells a different account of events book. It's in the same spirit. it's kind of captures. How film works. How fiction can work to illuminate the reality and illuminate. What's really you know. Kind of i guess the deeper truths of things. It's just really i. it's it's firstly. it's just so unexpected. Just didn't know what was happening. I mean they literally go into a movie cinema and our our though. The woman is like who has broken from the guy because she thinks she's getting back to his old ways miss star his stardom and stuff. You says she sitting in a cinema watching watching the movie. And i thought that was going to be like you know. Five seconds to clarify. She'd seen the movie made but no we live like shirin. The curious tommy film. And here's tom a major touch point in this as well. We sit in the cinema watching the film in the film. It's a you and it just stays in there with her for a significant amount of time as we watch the the climax of the film within the film. It's just re contextualize everything that happened. It's just incredible on just hammered with this film. This is just wonderful it's not just Like a wow moment like that just happened but like what really comes off as just like this man using this thing that he has an his pot former whatever you wanna call just as an act of grace and that is like. That's that's the whole thing like it. When i finish watching this movie like i really liked it but i was just kind of like doing some household chores and just like just it just continued to move me like how gentle end powerful. It is just somebody doing something for someone to help them. Get through losing someone like. I'd really love this film. Also and i think it's in part because i never know quite how i feel about the sort of this metaphor of cinema this particular relationship because it's almost in a way like shapes sandwich character like her entire life in like in her entire like her her history with her with her husband and how he would he could never match up like he was always trying to imitate those coups character. Like so that he could be like this. This this Like idealize man and he could never do it of course and then now that he's shown up long after her husband has has disappeared strange like engagement with wish fulfilment which then gets another layer added on with this with this with this film within the film. And like it's like. I never know quite how to feel about because on this one time. It's was like almost reminding her of what could have been or like what happens and self is extremely painful and extremely difficult to bear. But then it's also this act of grace like you said like this act of of illuminating. The way in which seen senior stories can can give different light to it. And like i think that guy character gets replaced by a semi Like gets replaced like sandwich. John sees herself onscreen like interacting with her with her husband in this really really strange way almost subliminal subliminal intimate image. But it's really fascinating way of of of using and fiction as metaphor that. I still don't know. Quite how i feel about. And i think that's what made me so much also should say that this is sort of. This makes it very interesting. Flipside with drug were because both films were released. The same year were filmed largely in in mainland china. And they have this. They both have very distinct approaches to hong kong perspective on china at this particular time. That's very very key to toews career at this juncture interesting A total non sequitur. Just 'cause i'm curious. I've noticed that the literal hong kong title of this high altitude of love to does anyone know what part wanted his simian factual film within the film within the film. I just like it just called high altitude romance into okay. That's even hoping the answer was going to be like. They released like stallone's cliffhanger. I we get to we. Just compare this to inglorious bastards and drug war which were not the same kinda fill at all. Yeah it certainly and again. It's interesting that that interplay and this one is curious because yeah you're right. It has those increasingly far as into mainland china in work. Don't go break my heart. Also ventures into mainland china at. This one does in love on a diet. he goes to japan. And it's it's kind of interesting there. There's a fluidity to the you know it. It doesn't seem out of sorts. Like the the film still feel like very much like a johnny to- film but it is. I'm not quite sure how they would interact now. I mean i kind of when. I was growing up watching hong kong cinema. It was all of their like the late eighties early nineties variety and it was really net knowing now i mean it was all kind of suffused with the anxiety of the handover in nineteen ninety-seven from britain handing hong kong back to mainland china. And then i kind of felt like everything. I watched was really from period when it was still an autonomous territory effectively and so i'm never quite sure how those two industries interact with each other. I don't know if romancing eras kind of choice to move into mainland. China is significant for marketing or for other reasons. I you know. I don't know is. Is there something in nash. While i'd like these like especially drug warlick was made as very conscious like where where you can see like if you viewed it from one perspective you could see it as glorifying the police but if you see another like this intense criticism and election films especially election to are largely about this and it's very very likely that that's why election three will not be able to get made because the because it's toes Ideas for our to run to afoul foul. The sensors that. That's what i for i. I said that that election three he couldn't make because he feels he be in danger from people which defensive fight yeah till has made like films in mainland china chasing dreams most recent film which is Which i actually wanted defenders of like is very much mainland. Tom in in an interesting way. Yeah he definitely is. Maybe more fluid than one would expect in terms of his engagement because he is very much. A conflict mckinney has such innate understanding. But he's able to draw outs the like the sort of subtle yet important distinction. I like even for. Don't go breaking my heart. Daniela's a chinese actor and his his sort of proximate like his in the second film his essential removal from action because he spends most of the in mainland. China is a key part of the key. To the dynamics of the film she has really interesting. Interactions super mainland. All right boys. Well we're run a little bit long. So i think we got to wrap this one up ryan i know we we kinda we gotcha at the last minute to be our guests in and we appreciate that and we did a really terrible job a brief anew on how the podcast runs so we do this thing at the end of every episode called put overs and so what we do is basically anything. You've you've read watched. Listen to doesn't matter anything at all that you want to say. This is great. Doesn't have to have anything to do. Johnny tells you mean unless you want to put over some more dose so just just you know. Get to the to the gears turning so jack. What are you putting over this week. I'm going to put over. I've been watching pretty much. Nothing but Toe films our refrained from recommending them. Although i do recommend them pretty much. I'm going to recommend. I don't think i've put this over. Four and steve will. I think fully approve. I'm going to recommend a movie. Called death promise directed by early. Richard robert warm flash which i have no idea if that's his real name which isn't a poor note despite his name being robert warm flash. But it's it's an amazing late seventies kind of revenge movie vinegar syndrome. Just put it out on blu ray. It is literally a movie about landlords being trash and property developers being trash and two dudes who just know kung fu go on a revenge mission against landlords in new york and it is every bit as awesome as that sounds. It is amazing so fully recommend that one death promise. Check it out. Yeah i'm gonna check that one as well fully backed and supported. That's a gift. The optimism vaccine seal of approval. Sean what he put over this week. I've been just watching these movies. But i did get into like this. Really good podcast recently. Super smart guys called wiseman podcasts. Yeah you can find it wherever a yeah. I want to spoil what it's about. Just just go into a smart guys throughout history. It's christian themed like the three. Yes episode ones about frankencense to about the explicit bar is just because we get so mad at at what people did to jesus. We're all mad about. Yeah he really had a bad time. Didn't they put put over the men. Podcast get and people. Find that sean wherever they get podcasts. All right well. I'm gonna put over. I'll put over wise men podcasts to it's pretty solid and i'm also going to put over jackpot over and in general i think it's extremely cool to kick your landlords ass so if that's an option for you please do it for me personally. I'm gonna put over some some music inspired by jack ason who had way too long of a conversation in the group chat industrial music with there. Was this fall to yami star this fall. Yeah it's entirely his fall. We're going to go ahead and blame him. But that got me thinking about the band killing joke because you guys were talking about the ministry and the two thousand six killing joke album and a lot of us saying why. Don't you put over eighty killing show. Of course you put over eighty s killing joke. They're great but we're talking two thousand six. The album is called hosanna from the basement of hell. And it's it's great. It's fantastic honestly is probably like top three killing joke album for me which may make some industrial music nerds angry. But i don't care. Because i don't know you're you're just a guy in a fear factory shirt wearing eyeliner. I don't what are you going to do about it. Killing joke is always had this really abrasive quality to them partially because they're singer jazz. Coleman has this like naturally gravelly very scary intimidating voice and. This is the first time where i feel. Like the production really matches his level of gravity gruffness and it is it is intense it is the musical equivalent to getting punched in the face repeatedly and enjoying every minute of it so Check that out killing joke coziness in the basements of hell and finally esteemed guests. We've given you exactly two minutes to come up with something to put over so ryan. What are you putting over this week at. This is something. I watch recently or dow i. We don't give a shit you can put over anything i mean how are we gonna know w washed out definitely watch that. Yeah just fucking lie man. Well i'm not gonna lie but watches last year but this is also another. I think this is maybe the best non tiller y milky way film which is accident by. So chang who did. Spf two time for consequences. Which is one of the great martial arts films of the past twenty years and his accent is really fascinating also with those coup. Where it's in a sense. You could compare it to the conversation that where he plays the sort of hitman who who who kills us targets by engineering these accents. These incredible things like this set of interlocking interlocking things that makes a window smash and like kill. Kill the target with with the shattered glass and he gets drawn into this thing where he's unsure someone has been targeting is talking to his team or not and it's very much in the milky way style and it's interesting to see a different take on on on the tour. Why i'd recommend that it's that one is also on netflix. Us right now. Which makes it acceptable. That's wild. I would not have expected that all right well. If you enjoyed this podcast do us a big favor. There's there's a couple of links in the description. One will take you to our i tunes page and you can give us a five star review and you're probably saying to yourself steve. Why would i do such a thing and the answer is man. It just helps us out. Just do it if you haven't done it yet. It takes two seconds. You can just give us five stars in the little chap typing box pop up and you can type. I like jack even though. I hate the irish in general. And that's okay. You could say that that's fine. 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Pop Culture Affidavit Episode 124: Futuristic Van Damme-age

Pop Culture Affidavit

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Pop Culture Affidavit Episode 124: Futuristic Van Damme-age

"Pop culture affidavit of one twenty four futuristic van damage Hello and welcome to episode one hundred and twenty four of pop culture affidavit. Hawkins takes a look at everything random in the world of popular culture which is brought to you by the to church freaks. Internet radio network. I'm your host. Tom tanneries so last time around. I hung out in the late eighties and early nineties looking at one of my passions at the time which was baseball trading cards. This time i'm sticking with that particular era by looking at another thing that i was really into the low budget action films genre. There were a ton of these movies. produced for. both feeder nvidia released. During the time. I was in late elementary in junior high school and i think that one point or another my friends and i bought tickets for or rented every single one of them and for this episode. I'm going to be looking at one of them. And that is one thousand. Nine hundred nine's cyborg. A- post-apocalyptic sci fi action flick directed by albert. Pune and starring. Sean claude van damme taking a look at the film's background. It's plot and then i'll give it my review and it'll be doing it after this break so stick around and come back for cyborg. Hey you yeah you listening to this. My name is mercy. Saint clair and. I'm a trucker not very glamorous job but not according to some group called. The academic gone theater works and me. I think your adventures can be very glamorous. Oh come off molly. What i do is dirty dangerous and frustrating. Maybe but i know like hearing about what you do and now other people can't as well. That's where you come in. yes you the one. I started talking to before being interrupted head on over two eight t w dot ninja and look for my adventures as dramatized by the academic gone gone theater works. And some guy. Named ron randell or else ron rentals trigger. A new audio drama by the academic ghana gone theater works presented through the to true freaks. Podcast network coming summer. Twenty twenty one to the not too distant future. God gang is reshaping the world teaching of hell and only one man can stop them john. Claude van is leading the battle between good and evil. Never been four. He's just britain bishop to rescue a cyborg who holds the secret for saving the world. Why didn't you help. you don't want to die. From the slow destruction rises warrior of a new age. Five friend down as the first hero of the twenty. Th century cyborg cyborg. I said before. The break was directed by albert. Pune and star. Jean claude van damme. Who at that point had begun to make a name for himself because of the success of the mixed martial arts movie blood sport the movie as a bit of an interesting history as it holds. The distinction of being the final film released the actress by ken films. The fabled independent studio run by an outcome glow golden and europe globus. There's a lot of the following detailed in the excellent documentary electric bogalusa the story of cannon films basically by the time this was released in nineteen thousand nine cannon had gone bankrupt and the film was actually put into production in the hopes of making back some of the money. They had lost their attempted. Big blockbuster movies that bombed in one thousand nine hundred eighty seven mainly masters of the universe and superman four the quest for peace in fact cyborg was made from the remains of two features that canon green lit before their money ran out a live action spiderman film and a sequel to masters of the universe and because of the latter film this film seibert would actually sometimes be listed as to you in tv guide as masters of the universe to the cyborg it is not a sequel. The dolphin grin cult classic. But some people did think that because of the way that was labeled anyway peon was set to direct both of these abandoned projects When kennedy declared bankruptcy they had to give up the licensing rights that they had paid to both marvel and mattel So that they could maybe recoup some of their loss and in fact according to the wikipedia page he was actually going to fill both masters universe to add spiderman simultaneously but he wound up writing this when. Ken was like yeah. We're not doing that. And originally he had chuck norris in mind to star as gibson rickenbacker. Who is the name of the main character. But it was menachem. Golan who cast van damme. The film was shot for the very low cost of five hundred thousand dollars. It was shot entirely in wilmington north carolina. Over the course of twenty three days with some sets made to look like a destroyed new york city as well as the destroyed atlanta. That five hundred thousand dollars by the way was on top of the two million that cannon had already lost because of the props sets and costumes that had been created for those abandoned masters of the universe to and spider man productions cyborg would grow onto gross ten point one million dollars. It was released in august of nineteen thousand nine. This made it the eighty eighth highest grossing film of nineteen eighty nine making about a million dollars bless than police academy six but out grossing Meryl streep roseanne barr comedy. She-devil the number one movie in one thousand nine of course as batman with two hundred fifty one million dollars in domestic gross. This movie it got destroyed by critics especially roger ebert who put it on. His worst of the year list gave it one star noted that it was kind of unintentionally. Funny saying few genres amused me. More than post-apocalyptic fantasies about superman fighting for survival. Cyborg is one of the funniest examples of this category. Which crosses escape from new york with the road warrior but cheats on the budget now to add to what ebert said vandamme actually has said that he didn't like the film so much He was given three different movies By canon because those were in the pipeline already done forced to american injured three and this knee chose this this this much. He actually ended up being sued by somebody over this jackson. Rock pinkney who is one of the Villain pirate goons in the film lost an eye during filming when van damme accidentally struck with prop knife. Pinkney won his lawsuit wanted judgment of four hundred and fifty thousand dollars and i should note that before start. The plot that van damme himself despite not liking the movie was actually ultimately responsible for its final presentation. There's a director's cut. That was longer than an hour the hour to have run time. That is on the copy. That i have but this director's cut tested horribly Van damme then went to golan globus and he convinced the studio to give him the film to re-cut and apparently he'd done this with blood sport as well and had been successful. so that's what he did He made sure that there was a lot more. Focus on the action. And this is the film that we have a director's cut did surface in two thousand eleven or so as and had discovered lost footage for the film it had reassembled his film under its original working title slinger. He apparently had been giving it out on. A print on demand basis through his website actually has been had been working on a prequel called cyborg rise of the slingers but that film never came to fruition pune was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis in two thousand thirteen while he is done at least one project since. The diagnosis of dementia has interfered with his being able to work cyber does have choo sequels There is nineteen ninety-three cyborg. Two and nineteen ninety-five cyborg. Free the recycler The latter was directed video. Flick starring malcolm mcdowell and head of the classes christine hodge The former is notable for the fact that angelina jolie was the female lead alongside alaska. Catas- i think that was released theaters. But i'm not entirely sure. I haven't seen either of those nor have i seen pune zone spin off sequel from nineteen ninety-three called nights which also has a female lead so my my focus and my and my attention really is on. Just this one film sean. Claude van damme. So let's go ahead and get into the plot. The plot is as follows. It's the twenty first century and civilization lies in ruins it's a plague known as the living death has overrun humanity. There's a team of scientists in atlanta at the site of the former. Cdc and this is a place for some of the main remaining vestiges of civilization exist. That team has come close to developing a cure for the plague but needs data. That is only on computers at a lab in new york. Since communications between the cities has been completely shut down. Someone has to physically go to new york to retrieve the data they sent a cyborg named pearl profit who is played by dayle haddon. She is a model actress. Who appeared on the cover of the nineteen seventy-three sports illustrated swimsuit issue by the way and she is accompanied by marshall's strat. Who's played by alex. Daniels they make it to new york and pro gets the data. This is all of this by the way told. In flashback at some point in the film as the film actually opens with pearl. Marshall beginning the journey back to atlanta from new york marshall is killed by a gang of pirates are led by fender tremolo. Who is played by vincent. Klein pro gets away with the help of gibson rickenbacker. And that's our star john. Claude van damme. And if you're kind of giving side eye to some of these character names yes. They are all named after various musical instrument companies fender rickenbacker gibson. Marshall pearl so somebody was having fun with character names when they when they wrote. This gibson is what's called a slinger. These are people who live in the hollowed out. Cities of this world may hire themselves out to get people out of the cities into safety over. The course of the movie gibson has flashbacks and has recurring dreams. To what is the greatest pain of his life at one point as a slayer he'd rescued three people of and i believe it's a mother in two kids after the father had died and he brought them to safety out in the countryside after staying with them for wire while he and the mother mary they become lovers You know sh. He's very good with kids as she knows etc etc however fender and his pirate crew found the house. They tied mary gibson and the the the sun up with barbed wire on the hung hanging. You know well. They put the barbed wire in the hand of little girl. The families whose name is hayley now They're like basically saying okay. Hold onto this. And they'll be okay and being little she was probably like i wanna see. She was like seven or eight years old. She can't like you know you see an image of the barbed wire cutting through her hands and her screaming in the three of them falling into their presumed deaths in the well Mary and the and the boy die. Gibson does not need climbs out of the well and this is his motivation through the movie because he wants revenge on fender pearl is going to have gibson a company to her atlanta because she analyzes him and realizes that she can trust him before. That rescue in that journey can begin. Fenders gang gets the jump on them. Gibson's knocked out and fender kidnaps pearl after he discovers. Why she's in new york as well as the knowledge she's carrying. He understands how important that is and decides to take her to atlanta now because he wants to cure world be better but because he thinks that if he's got the cure he can control something he can gain power by having it because it's what people want he essentially basically says i can become a god in that classic villain way gibson by the way. is rescued or woken up. Girl named naty whose family has been killed by the plague knowing that he is after fender pro might have information that will help with a cure for the plague. Needy wants to go with him because she wants to make sure the place cure reaches atlanta the two of them decide to track down south while fender and his gang commandeer a ship they eventually catch up with one another near charleston. South carolina in hollowed out warehouse type of building gibson kills a number of fenders pirate crew. But he's eventually overtaken in discovering that discovers that not only is hailey the little girl from his past still alive but she's one offenders pirates impossibly his lover haley by the way at this point in the present day of the movie is easily. Let's say for the sake of things she's eighteen so there's a good decade. At least between the flashback and now butts it is probably a very Disgusting sort of death stroke. Tara markov situation but fender bender being good villain vendor is not a villain. You're rooting for offenders. The type ability wants to die even though he's a cool looking villain so this just makes him even worse so gibson gets away at that point um and he's about to say pearl with him but pearl says that she's not going to go with him. She says it actually is an advantage of going to atlanta with fender fenders stronger than gibson. She doesn't even gibson's gonna make it. And she knows that the people she's going to in atlanta have the capability to take out vendors gang that remains to be seen but she heads with vendors gang to atlanta while gibson picks up the unconscious navy. Who'd been knocked out in the in the fight and runs away from the gang with a couple of those guys in pursuit follows. That is a long chase scene in a fight in the sewers beneath the building and then on a big fight of beach and marsh land were gibson and needy kill a number of vendors other pirates but gibson is eventually taken down in crucified by fender on the mass of a dead ship. It's here were haley. Gets a good look at him for the first time in realizes who he is but she has to follow fender gibson experiences. The same exact flashback like they just copy and paste the scene into this flashbacks so we get stuff we've already seen while he's hanging there and And then also a little bit more the you know how he got out of the you know a little bit more of of the execution and how he got off the well this this gives him gets angry and he starts kicking it. The ships mask until the rotten wood breaks and he lands on the beach. However he's on his back and he can't get himself free of his restraints because they have shot arrows through his palms native who prior to gibson's crucifixion. Had been knocked unconscious way off in the marsh finally finds him and comes to his rescue. They clean up and they had to atlanta on the outskirts of the city gives it a needy confront vendors crew. All the pirates are killed and then gibson and fender face off. The fight is long while gives knockdown needy tries to kill fender but he kills her instead at one point gives it a hollowed out card. Fender slamming his head with the door. Haley yeltsin the stop which causes fender to put two in two together and realizes who gibson is he then attempts to kiss haley. The sort of like. Hey this is. The girl like rubbed infant in gibson's face but haley refuses him buying gibson enough time to get up. He eventually stabs fender chest killing him. He confirms that navy is dead and has a tearful reunion with haley but fender is not dead. Come on you seen these new. He wouldn't be and the fight begins a new. They eventually wind up in a shed and gibson eventually kills fender by impaling him on a meat hook successful gibson haley take parole to the scientists in atlanta pro suggests that gibson stay with them but he insists that the outside world needs him and he and hayley walk away. We close with pearl saying that. Maybe men like gibson. Are they real. Cure that humanity needs now. My personal story with this movie is that it's one of a good dozen. I watched in regular rotation when i was in junior high school. I did not see it in the theater. And i didn't discover it until my dad found that on the shelf of sables video empire and then rented it he'd later take me to seek kickboxer. That was my first in theory. Van damme film And my dad. My dad my friend. Tom and i really would go to a number of these movies with him when we were in junior high school Few the seagal movies a couple of movies. And tom and i would rent like all these things all the time. So we rented cyber at least a few times and it wasn't high my favorite van damme films that were at least that were made. During that like early nineties heyday. He had i would rent. It was hard to find for purchase until sometime a ninety six ninety seven. I was in college when mgm home video. Released it for purchases one of their like movie night collection Vhs tapes and that basically means that like you know they would do this. They would package movies. That were kind of like second rate like this into an put a little label on it they would be the discount flicks that you would find for. Maybe five ninety nine or nine ninety nine at suncoast or saturday matinee in the mall in the late nineties so i eventually did get my copy of this in the late nineties after already owning blood sport. Double impact and lionheart Never had kickboxer and never had time cop. I think i had hard target as well if if i'm remembering these things correctly Only a few of them have Survived either my parents house or my house etcetera etcetera but anyway into my thoughts on the movie. It's look. I'm not gonna pretend this is a good movie. Impugns clearly doing a of mad the terminator escape from new york at a number of other sifi action flicks of the day. In fact the plot is very paint-by-numbers. It's one that really only exists is something to slow the film down between fight scenes right so it's not upper tier by any stretch of the imagination again. Neither was van damme. At least at this point the nineteen eighties action genre is defined by the megastars that had established and who would have huge box office hits and bombs in the late eighties early nineties. Arnie and sly top tier bruce willis probably as well because a die hard because he was their partner in the planet. Hollywood franchise shit. That's an episode. I can do a theme restaurants anyway. I mean nine. Hundred eighty nine willis was on the rise. He was just getting huge. Because i believed i heard was eighty eight so die hard to be coming out soon. Hudson hawk and then you get the last boy scout You know and he was A-list celebrities because of his marriage didn't demi moore and stuff like that but when you go to the level of the action start from the eighties and nineties. You have chuck norris steven seagal john club. Damn by nineteen ninety nine chuck. Norris had peaked. He was really on. Its way down. Braddock missing in action three was a bit of a dud guys. It's really a good movie delta force to which came out. I think a little later than this didn't really do much and while. I'm sure that there were a number of my late feller gen xers in early in the early millennials. Who have a fun. Nece for sidekicks with jonathan brandis. I don't think that movie did particularly well either. I think it's safe to say that. Walker texas ranger which started in nineteen ninety-three really was kind of the reinvention of chuck. Norris an enslaved his career from you know b. movie obscurity or see movie obscurity. So then you're left with seagal and vandamme seagal well. He and van damme were neck and neck through most of the early ninety s. But as much as i like under siege seagal being a massive asshole shines through in every single piece of scenery. He chews up shits out in his films now. Van damme has his ego. He's had his personal professional issues. But out of those three b. level action stars. He really was the one that had the most appeal to american audiences. He's very good looking. He's got a sexy accent. He could do movie martial arts very well especially martial arts poses. Yeah i know he was a professional kickboxer at one point. But i can't tell you if he's any good. I mean i know he has a good record but you know i'm i'm not. I'm not an expert on martial arts. So i don't even know if his skills on screen were realistic. But i do know that it all looked cool. You know he could do that. Split to a really high kick. You do that super kick thing where twirled around and kicked. His opponent is a finishing move. In fact he uses that as a finishing move into in some of his movies that it makes some great shots. And yeah. I used to try to imitate the moves. No i never succeeded. Yes i probably look doubles doing it. Anyway van damme slides into that vacancy. That norris left which is appropriate considering pune wanted norse for this film. Any carries it really. Well now what helps is that. He has very little dialogue and cyborg. Yeah blood sport had preceded. This van. Damme did have lines in the movie. But this entire film probably has more grunts and screams than spoken lines. Funny enough that's why it works. A kind of imagine directing van damme at this point was directing arnold in conan the barbarian. Okay posers your shirt off. good look intense. Excellent do a few karate moves also pose some more. Okay okay okay. Now now and i hit someone outstanding. Cut despite my starkey tone there. That's what makes cyborg work and really entertaining puny exactly who he was working with. And what he was working with a belgian guy who could kinda sorta act as his hero a bunch of people from the american gladiators touring companies villains. You don't write snappy dialogue like the commando for the big fight for people like this. You just have them say now. It is kind of funny funny to watch it. But they're at it's like really. You couldn't write dialogue but at the same time. If i think about it there might be like an movie or in universities in for it. Oh yeah and okay dot kind of i thought this through right right so hear me out because actually makes sense so this is a future where the world has been completely decimated by plague. People are struggling to survive while there are people in this movie who do actually talk for more than a few syllables. The world is ruled by the brutal. Brutality speaks so loudly that words are unnecessary so in the final fight in atlanta all this raw animal brutal power to people going at each other. It's also to ultra masculine muscle. Bound dudes going at each other but really. I can't imagine that this is a world that verbalize is a lot. I mean the environment speaks for them. Children thought it through. I think Our director did as well because for movie which he was given only five hundred thousand dollars for he essentially looked around at what was left after cannon burn through that to mill developing spiderman and masters to and. He was like all right. I'm gonna make do with what i can say. Most of the fights take place on the beach were various hollowed out buildings or an unruffled strewn. straight-sets. I can't imagine it was hard to scout or expensive shoot in an abandoned warehouse plus the credit of pune. Whomever helped choreograph van. Damme's fights those action sequences are really. Well done yeah. It's a lot of punching kicking but there's a lot of really good knife fighting very little use of firearms in fact not many people. If any people are walking around with commando level armament gibson carries a gun. That looks kind of like the gun. That jesse tas it predator but if fires only one bullet at a time what i read it actually was a paintball come. They re dressed for the film. I can imagine that with five hundred thousand dollars to us. They didn't have to access to schwarzenegger stallone. Level guns and ammo but again in universe wouldn't work this post-apocalyptic world is lived in other words. It's been a while since society collapsed. And i can only imagine that. A companies aren't manufacturing automatic weapons in the ammunition for them anymore and be manufacturing the ammunition especially a lot of those whose eclipse. They've been used up right so knives. Nice can be homemade. Trust me my father-in-law watches a lot of knife making videos on youtube. And there's fights in the beginning of the movie but the really the second half of the movie which is really like one big long fight and chasing interrupted with a couple of like you know moments of pesos. It's all really well done of the the abandoned building fight in charleston. We got gibson in navy and and and you know they. She gets captured. He takes out a number of muscle bound higher. It's in various ways. He's got the rosa klebb knife shoe. Which looks really frigging awesome when he kicks it across the guy's throat but in this whole thing he then like gets completely overwhelmed. Because fenders gangs two dozen people. So you know there's in fact there's a scene where like he you know he gets knocked around and take it out and then you see like all the other people the gang you're like a. Wow there's a big gang of people so he can't take like everybody out. Not only that gives them just just get. The crap kicked out of him at various points. You see him get tired and it's not something that you're used to seeing from the larger than life action. Here's the day you know you know. Maybe john maclean and die hard. But you know arnie and all that you know it's like they're like machines they keep going through these things and when he's tired of beat up the villains keep coming at him you know. In fact pearl tells gibson that she'd rather stick with fender because yet gibson's a hero. She knows he's not gonna make it it. It makes total sense and You know that backstory put in which they flash back to a little too much in that like you know they have to fill out time in the movie or something for it but That backstory gives us that motivations to why he keeps going after fender like. Why doesn't he just give up. And i do have to point out like again. Just as i as i talk about this i i notice. I remember a couple of really really good fight scenes. Wanna martian the sewer one is pretty cool because there's a scene where one of those big hulking pirate guys is walking through the sewers looking for him and van damme is doing the split across the top of the sewer pipe and Has the knife. Like pointed down at him and the guy looks up. And you don't see him come down on the guy. You just hear the scream. It's a really really cool. See i really really liked that. And then again just the fights themselves they look they look hollywood at choreographed but at the same time you feel kind of a real impact them i just i just really enjoyed the fight scenes. Now talk about some of the other characters here Pearl hadn't she does a serviceable job. She she knows she's the plots macguffin. She's playing someone who is half robot at one point. They give her back story and that she was a actual human woman who volunteer to be turned into a cyborg. And there's some really bad like makeup and prop look of the cyborg there but You know a again. It's a low budget movie. You kind of excuse these things and she can act logical and not have to be the damsel in distress haley. Haley has two or three lines in the movie. There's simple sounding something that speaks to the lack of verbal communication. I was talking about earlier and also was a little kid when fender kidnapped her. I can't imagine she got much of an actual formal education among the pirates mary Who is played by terry. Batson has all three or four lines in the film and she's just there to be in gibson's memories is the woman he fell in love with and then watch die A little tree item by the way. Here's that batsman's dialogue is all dubbed over so. She's not speaking the lines in the final film. Somebody dubbed her voice voice over hers and she actually didn't know this until she took her family to see the film and the theater in fact a lot of the dialogue. and this is this is off putting it. i just kind of get used to it I it sounds like it was badly dubbed over. But again this for five hundred thousand dollars the standoff female character in the film is needy. Girl who becomes the robin to gibson's batman she's a scrappy fighter and holds her own a number of fight scenes. She's played by debra richter who's credits prior to cyborg are mostly television roles although she does play candy in the nineteen eighty david naughton michael j. fox cult classic midnight madness and i really liked her and i really liked her character. She starts off by just sticking with gibson because they both kind of have a similar mission but then they not only become loyal to one another but they avoid the lovers trope in fact. It's a really good scene. Were there camping for the night on the beach and she actually takes top office way to like offer herself up to have because i imagine that something she's used to doing and he refuses her. Yeah we got a boob shot. We actually also get a shot of her. she when they reach the beach and she runs into the water. Kinda clean herself off. And if you go to the imdb page for cyborg. It's one of the first images of the images of the movie thing. That's right on the page. So there you go you get to see directors ass but that whole scene with him refusing. Actually a nice touch. It gives a little bit of de gibson. He's someone who probably can't think of loving anyone else after what he's been through and it allows her realize that she doesn't have to do that much her death bummy out to She's not a woman in a refrigerator. You know this is the final fight. She's essentially collateral damage in the final fight. But it's another statement about the brutality of it. All and i do wish she would have been in the final scene like that that after getting rid of fender like him and haley had become like slinger team were something that would have set up a really cool. Like sequel idea were further adventures idea or something but anyway the final fight with. Let's let's look at that because it takes place after everyone's crossed into atlanta. It's in the rain because of course it's in the rain and vincent klein as fender and he was really how much acting experience he was a professional surfer out of hawaii. Like one of the one of the more premier for professional surfers at the time anyway. He's he's a really imposing big guy and he's perfectly cast because all he's there to do is to be the typical van damme villain van damme villains in a lot of his first few movies. Don't do much except stand. There look menacing and be enormous. Plus they have klein where these freaky blue contact lenses under the terminator style sunglasses and the church and that he's wearing he's also like chain mail over post-apocalyptic clothing which were bits and pieces of costume from masters of the universe Blade i think the character was or something the blade guy with the patch. So you've got this guy this imposing terminator esque villain and the fight. The fight just goes on and on and on you have gibson killing the henchman. You have eighty fighting a woman in an abandoned bar. That's just like they're throwing punches. They're throwing furniture at each other. They're throwing each other across the bar. It's really really good. And then you get the final showdown. Fender takes off his chainmail bare-chested and they just stare at each other and really it takes like they're starting to the for like what seems forever and it's like totally dumb action movie scene but at that point of the film like i'm almost an hour and a half into this and i'm like let's do this. I'm all in the fight scenes. You know. I put any pretense out the window that this was a good movie. I just wanna see these to the ever loving shit out of each other and really. I was getting hyped no it. It's not the realistic type of fight. It's not roddy piper keith. David from What's it called They live but damn. It's just exactly what i wanted. You've got at including that jump scare that. He's not dead moment before gibson and fender wind up in a shed and the whole time. Like you don't see the meat hook that he gets impaled on. But you see chains and mike and i keep thinking i'm like those chains like they keep hitting each other in the shed and you see the changes of the chain like those chains are gonna come into somebody's death at one point. Either fenders going to try to control gibson with them or gibson's good a choke vendor with them and then all of a sudden like you see him kick him into the thing and you're like oh. There was a meat hook. They're like the his back is impaled with the meat hook and he's just like hanging there and that last shot gibson leaves the shed and you see fender hanging on the wall off the ground with the meat hook and his back. It's a really good shot. It feels satisfied that like yeah man he. He went toe to toe. This guy for like for ever you know just like and finally beat the guy and the ending with him essentially realizing they need me out there as opposed to can be safe with all of you is a really good one it. It is the sort of completion of this reluctant heroes journey etc the sense of mission and he walks off with with haley. Like i said i wish it would have been him haley and needy. But you know i still thought it was a satisfying ending and you can tell because i just spent much of this episode gushing over the fill it. It's just what i wanted out of it. You know. And i think. I think i liked it so much back then and like it now because it's one of those few early vandamme movies. That has a little bit more a story than usual. Because let's face it. You've got blood sport kickboxer lionheart. And they're really entertaining. But they're basically the same movie and if you go into thinking that this movie cyborg is going to be a dumb low budget violence fast and you put away any expectations that has to have meaning or be innovative or said a message or whatever we put up with these days. You will have a lot of fun now. Cyborgs on amazon prime. Or it was when i when i When i went to watch this. Although i will tell you that i did not watch this on amazon prime so i don't know the quality of transfer because i watched my vhs copy. Because of course. I had to watch the subway. Vhs copy you know. i mean. I wouldn't have it any other way if i if i could It does retain through streaming services here and there before i finish up. I have one other thing. This is really interesting. This was this was a comic book at one point. Now this it's it's it's something. I found that i've had this for a long time. I think i got it out of. I don't think i bought it off of iraq. I think i got out of a dollar seller a fifty cent sale. Or maybe guy got it for free as a promo comic. But cannon home-video actually put outs a canon video comic collectors edition comic called cyborg the star of blood sport in cyborg and it says adapted from the hit film. Cyborg coming to video stores september twentieth. It was essentially a comic book adaptation. That told the story up to the point where gibson and fender face off in the film. So you kind of have to in. The last pages has to experience the spectacular climax of this epic odyssey into the future. Watch for the premiere of cyborgs starring. Jean claude van damme videocassette available video outlets nationwide beginning september twentieth. So it was a promo comic to hype people up for the video home video. Release of the film. It's it writing wise. It's essentially the the movie just kind of like your typical like one shot movie. Adaptation of like okay shot for shot for shot like little bits and pieces. Kind of telling us the movie would trying to show to the art. The artist really bad. It's it's like you know there's kind of a likeness of some of these things. I don't know who did it. There's no real credits. The cover has van cleave and involved shoal in the signature but i. I don't know who the names are. End the ads inside the comic or all for future cannon who video releases and stuff like that. I'll get to this in a second. So you know you've got this really kind of poorly drug humming but as you flip through a you also have some kind of publicity materials. You have a profile page of the stars. So it's called the good the bad and the lovely backstage with the cast a cyborg. So you see john. Claude van damme. You've got to run out of his career. Dale hadn't career vincent clients career. It's where by the way. Learn how to pronounces name because it says klein say klein is a surf boarding and skateboarding. Champion and then debra richter roth mueller and lease long. Who were some of the other cast members you flip through it. Some worry you have a little bit of how weapons in the film were made and actually talk about like the things. I was talking about like some of the captions here of society and posting technology but high in violence Weapons and not too distant password blend together out of necessity though carefully. Choreographed fights caused their sheriff scrapes and bruises. They show Some stills from the film and get a little bit into how these things were put together you flipping through some more. We have a little bit of production notes and in how things were put together a conversation interview with director albert. Pune you have a like almost like you could tear this out and put it on your wall. Tiger beat sort of picture van dam holding a gun on another one with a vincent klein Kind of a pinup page photograph. And then finally a people actually wrote letters to the movie and had their Had their opinions like a letter. It's really interesting and the ads are for other candidates releases. So there's one the first one says to tough now available. Videocassettes bronze bronson's kin getafe forbidden subjects. And then american ninja three blood hunt. I'm pretty sure i saw that. I know american ninja too. I love american. Ninja one but River of death death. Michael dudenkov robert von donald pleasants. Movie scene. that i had michael dudakovic's actors. I really liked the eighty s and my dad really liked. I remember that. I remember another ninja type of movie. That wasn't american ninja with him a track that one down there's a three Like a triptych of of movies on an ad for tommy lee jones. Virginia madsen movie called gotham track. Twenty nine featuring theresa russell gaffe gary oldman and christopher lloyd and five corners with jodie foster. Tim robbins todd. Graff and john turturro a ad for a bunch of horror films from cannon videos crucible a har- beast of the seller dracula's last rites new year's evil blood on satan's clyde schizoid started class kinski. There actually is funny enough. There's a comic book convention ad those greatest and comic book as that you would see. There's so that's a legit comic book ad here and The you have an ad for cannon movie tales fairy tale things beauty the beasts puts boots the printing on. This is a couple of words that obviously looks like something didn't line up. And then the powwow highway which was called which the seattle times called the native american rainman. And then on the back of a candid video ad for cyborg which notes that john. Claude van damme was in predator. And this was something that I was like when i was a kid. I was like he's in predator. And there's i'd seen predator wartimes than i probably count at that point It wasn't until years later is that i knew that learned that. He was cast as the predator but early into pre production. It just didn't work out. He was complaining about how the the suit made him sick. He could move in it. They decided to go with. Kevin kevin peter hall who was much more bigger at imposing. And and what you got. It made him The elliott war. Like you didn't really have any lines. And things like that. But i guess because they damp had been cast in the movie candidate thought we'll put predator in there so I don't think that any footage of vandamme and the predator costume exists by the way. Not in these sort of eric. Stoltz shot fifteen minutes or so back to the future before they decided to replace him with michael j. fox and you can still see the back of stoltze his head in one of the scenes in that film sort of way i think they just they realized pretty quickly in the van dam was going to work out but anyway i wanted to note that promo comic because like i said i've had it for a long time at this point and it'll it rotates through cheap bins every once in a while at it's just kind of audie curiosity like somebody would put a whole comic together justice a problem for this movie an r. Rated movie that and this is clearly aimed at kind of slightly older kids who were two youngest already movies technically but then again late late eighties. We're getting ready to movies at twelve so cannon that all right that does it for cyborg I do have some feedback. And what. I'm going to do now is take a break. Come back i'll get to stick around Talk a fan. Podcast devoted to the adventures of twenty third century. Bounty on our mercy. Saint clair from the pages of trekker comics by writer and artists. Ron randell sarah. And i'm ruth. Please join us as we discussed the stories characters and art in this excellent retro scifi adventure series special episodes feature interviews with ron randell himself discussing trekker and his other comics. We hope you'll join us as we travel from the dangerous back streets of new gallup to the depths of outerspace and everywhere in between. Listen pod being itunes stitcher. Google klay and youtube follow us on facebook twitter and instagram or visit. Trekker talk dot com. Check her talk as part of the rat. Adventures network at rw adventures network dot com. And i am back with some listener. Emails and comments. I have some blog posts comments. I want to get to some of a recent Of older every once in a while. I get blog posts. Comments were press emails. Me to tell me i keep beating to put them into a feedback section on the on the show which i did would pop. Culture david one. Oh one Now one of the buckets that had and this is really interesting to me. One of the that gets comment every once in a while is from twenty twelve nine years ago right and this is about the kevin bacon. Sean astin movie. Whitewater summer Since september twenty twenty. I've gotten three comments in that post. That i wanted to read them off as well as one of my replies the versus josh reagan. Who said i just want to say that it's ridiculous. How no one online actually lists some of the true filming locations of this movie including imdb. They see quincy california in the sierra nevada mountains which has some general truth regards the initial driving on a lot of hiking mountaineering etc. But man how about some specifics. I'll be damned if that's not highway. Seventy along the feather river quote near quincy california on the drive to their trail head for the trip. I've driven that stretch of highway. Many times. And i swear that's it. It would just be nice to get some confirmation online. I'd just like to have some more specific info on all filming locations and is not listed anywhere. You can't have such a great movie with such great shots of areas in and around the northern sierra nevada mountains and not refer to its exact spots. It's disrespectful. I replied back in september. This is a really good point. I'm from the east coast. But there are definitely times where i can tell where something was shop at the imdb detail details are either vaguer not existed especially when the film is a little more obscure. You know people know this film. But it's not footage. For example i will say. Imdb does allow you to edit and add to their information. The same way with pierre does it would be pretty cool to see that because sometimes knowing were a movie was filmed makes good road trip. Mario montalvo followed up for us. In march twenty fifth twenty twenty one saying i just drove the stretch of highway seventy last week. Who incidentally before watching the movie. I can say for sure that it is highway. Seventy in the intro. Even the campground they turn into silverlake campground in quincy is still there. I know the production was split between nor cal canada and new zealand. But i agree. It would be nice to know which scenes were shot. Where and of course. I will add here. That there's obviously closing seen a number of scenes that were filmed for the framing device in central park in new york and remember scenes filmed in new york. I just. I love getting these. I love getting the people and whitewater summers one of those movies. I really wanna come back to go find it on to find a dvd blu ray or streaming and. Just watch it again. Because it's a beautifully shot movie. And you know if i hadn't done the blog post nine years ago i would have probably thrown into the podcast episode rotation It is it because it's just it's it's a movie that i hold a lot of regard because of the number of times i watched it when i was a kid and i really love it for that and i always find it a fun kid forward drama in a way. That is I don't know i just i. It's got tensed tencent intensity to it but the same time It's not fantastic. Goal like some of the some of the more ninety kids stuff and things like that. I'm always really really enjoyed it And vicky pee on june twenty seven th of this year commented and said that she was looking some information about the movie whitewater summer and she came across my side. She had to ask her two cents. Now was a seventy five year old woman. This is still one of my favorite movies. Sean asked him was adorable and kevin bacon. Well what can i say. His career has been incredible. And sean has made a big as well. I fell in love with this film along with the music in it. I bet i've seen whitewater summer more than one hundred times. We'll continue watching wherever it's shown. Yeah the music in the movie by the way if you're unfamiliar with whitewater summer is from bruce hornsby and the ranges one thousand nine hundred six album the way it is They play on the western skyline and the wild frontier. I believe or two of the songs there might be a third one in there and You know that. Bruce hornsby and the range album. Thank you spotify. I listened to last week all the way through. Because i knew the. That's just the way it. Is you know mandolin rain. But honestly that whole album really really good and and you know so. I recommend the bruce hornsby album as well as whitewater summer. All right so even older post than that whitewater summer post this one about the worby. This was a late eighties ball. Throw toy that. I wrote about back and i think like twenty ten twenty eleven. That got a comment in november. Twenty twenty well somebody with the name. Just a girl born in the seventies you know when it came to commercials in the nineteen eighties. Very few toys advertise actually delivered on their promises. This theme song popped into my head. This morning is random. Memories tend to do. I'm so glad you talked about it and had a commercial for it and i remember the pogo ball and skip it. I mentioned those as well. Yeah or be. You could go back if i remember. All linked to in the show notes. The old posted or was this thing was like it was like a stig. Happy fun ball looking orange ball with a plastic with a hole in it. You put a plastic thing in the whole of the under the plastic kind of tether here. Were these ribbons. Like you know you put on a little kid's bicycle and what you would do you. Would you would toilet around and then throw it kind of like a hammer like the hammer throw in the seaward fly like through the air and eventually gets a tree but but but i just remembered this when i was. It was one of the first centuries river the block. Because i remember it really relieve league and i and i don't know what happened to ours. I think the the plastic the ribbons got broken. I think we they'd use the orpheus ball is just kind of a ball the toss around but But yeah it's just kind of cool again like these old post just every once in a while. Get a comment. For instance my post last summer about the nintendo game basis loaded it was called paste. Goes yard was the name of the post and k. jason link posted right now. We're in a massive societal lockdown. Which means that all of us are sitting at home and trying to find things to good article. I recently bought a any system and basis looted. My brother and i applied a couple of times. And it's still fun. My number one baseball team will always be baseball stars. While this bit cartoon show is always amazed at the ability to create teams custom. Mice and manage bases loaded was a distant second by the way. You're still in contact with your old pal. Tom yes i actually. He and i am message every once in a while on facebook and instagram and stuff like that i posted he shared with me A commercial just the other about the upcoming thirty for thirty about the eighty. Six matt's when i posted a picture of the gun from the tops baseball pack on. It's the last Last month he said. And i bet they were. You know so many of these there were like three of this player in there because you know again so yeah we keep in touch. She's down in atlanta and and Is really good guy Snp baseball stars. That was a game. I really liked but i i got that toward the end of mind nintendo time so i'd never actually owned it. I would just rent it every once in a while. But i thought the whole create. Your own team thing was really cool to. It was a really really good game. bases-loaded is still number one in my mind mainly because of connection i have to it in the number of times i plead it and how much i loved it and still love to play it so Another common i got was on an old blog post about. The sierra coco wheats cya grayson commented on cuckoo for coco. Wheats saying his grandfather who passed away started eating this when he was young boy on a farm in north dakota in the forties. He always had some when we came to visit in with us boxes as well. I don't know exact proportion but in essential things to addis condensed milk. I saw the water before. I put the coco wheats in. Shake them in while stirring after it's boiling continue stirring while it thickens and add the condensed milk. I don't know how much coco wheats to water. I can feel. Just the starring meets a certain resistance point. Yeah i've lately been making those for breakfast here. And there and i always best up in the microwave where they get clumpy so i had milk. I don't really. i'm not convinced fan. But i do. Add milk milk and that does seem to help but thank you and then there's what i missed a few years ago. Pretty sure i did. Not put it in my episode one one comment recap but i wanted to put it here Back in july fourth dug up by liberty we can post from two thousand eleven ten years ago and shared it out on the ttf cantina group in on the an reassured another pop page and there was a comment on there that i missed from twenty eighteen west. Te- bowker wrote. Hey there firstly. I realized this article is currently seven years old but i stumbled upon researching family history at one point. You mentioned the song lady of liberty as performance shelly towns. What brought me to this article. Is that my late uncle charles. Blaylock wrote the song if you're still alive today. I'm sure get a kick out of knowing one of his songs that was heard by someone decades later. Thanks for sharing means a lot to me. that's really cool i Every once in a while like back on the one zero one episode. I told you about how like the sister of the guy who's the dr pepper commercials commented on my blog. Post a couple of times. I always love that. It's just and and this is just random. It's nothing like you know noteworthy celebrity type of stuff. But i just. I thought that was really really cool and i wanted to share it out all right. So let's get onto comments and messages about podcast episodes recently for episode one twenty. I talked to my friend chris. Lynam about wasted time has pumped banned from back in the nineties. Here are some of the comments. I got on a episodes. These are all from former classmates of ours. pat mueller said. That was great really. Well done chris who knew my early eclectic. Music tastes would have an influence. By the way. I still of the story of you guys listened to the green day. Sound check as part of your big break time. I look forward to listening to your other. Podcast jessica assurance at thanks. Tom thanks for sharing. Tom brings back so many memories. One of my best friends melissa. Ressano rodriguez said loved listening to this. And then jillian. David commented on the cover of chris's album waste time album. When was fun because the photograph is of her younger brother sitting on a swing set. She said al. Ll my little brother Honestly it was off. That was one of the best episodes. I've done in recent years And it was really really fun to do. And i really appreciated that. So many people enjoyed hearing it on episode one. Twenty-one donovan morgan grant and i talking about the judas contract aaron head moss said love this run On episode one twenty two shag. And i talking about uncanny x men new teen titans bryan hughes comment on a facebook saying sharing the scene where starfighter kisses colossus says. I'm going to point out here for no other reason that it is fun to that. If the roles were reversed here and colossus with the kiss star fire we would be hearing it described as the infamous sexual assault seen. Today i k. I don't think colossus would've tried to kiss our fire. It doesn't seem to be his character finally on episode one twenty three which aired last month. I have messages on. Facebook been comments on facebook via michael. Bailey michael wagner and an email from professor alan. So here's the message from my belly. He says love. The trading card episode was lot of fun comic images. Now that by the way was the spider man. Set the spiderman. Pack that i grabbed an open air. Comic images was one of the lower rung trading companies that started out doing sets on cheaper paper. That were just images from the comics. They step things up in one thousand nine hundred and started doing glossier cards. But the coloring sucked. They made the marvel license for a bit and did sits for savage dragon and youngblood that spiderman set will make your eyes bleed because of the coloring. Yeah i Those cards were not particularly and they all look like it was like you know when you try to do a copy of a copy of a copy and photocopier and zoomed into the point. Where you really can't make things out. It's it was not the Best best spent money to be honest. Michael wagner says about baseball cards. I was into don rusher baseball and hoops for basketball. Actually never owned any basketball cards. I had a. I had a very small hockey car. Collection will tell you mostly nhl pro set and then had a few football cards. I also i. And i'll get back to your milliseconds. Your comment of michael also failed to mention the company score that was like a fourth company fifth company that that existed and i had a few cards by score at one point or another but again not enough to say that i am out that that anything about two two collection. I don't think score really exist. They might have gotten absorbed by another company or bought by marvel or something at one point in the nineties. Anyway back into michael's comment. He says that he was a big fan of the premier upper deck baseball series. Two he says think my card with most valuable was the michael jordan baseball card. I pulled from pack thinking back now. It was funny. Pull the card from the pack. The card shop employee was watching. When i was leaving. I was putting my cards in my pocket so i could ride my bike home. He freaked out and gave me a hard sleeve because the card had value. Oh wow that's a good odour. michael says. I didn't get the freakout nine. Let the kids do what they want. It only has value three value for too many investors to make a quick buck but have poisoned the fun entertainment of children's hobbies. That is true. You know it's funny I can think of one thing. I don't really have a lot. That's incredibly valuable. Like i said the most valuable quote valuable baseball card very few baseball cards. Like like a handful is a key third rookie card. isn't a hard plastic sleeve. Because i when i got it. I was like oh. I'm going to get hard. Plastic sleaford amount of come in the hard plastic sleeve. It was shipped in ebay so i kept it there. It was like okay. that's important. I've got a couple of valuable comics. Said never got them slab but a few years ago. I was buying scooby doo team up and For my son. And they have a issue. Where harley quinn and poison ivy are teaming up with the scooby gang and apparently that went big in terms of cost for harley quinn appearance or something like that and the guy at the comic store was saying like yeah that the things going crazy 'cause people want it for the harlequin thing as might have been around. The time of the suicide squad movie was coming out. And i said that's really funny because my kid has an. It's just sitting in a box in his room and it's probably all beat up. You know just kind of like you know you wanted to read the comics. So and i had no idea i was buying it was. It was on my pulis. Oh you're right there. There's this weird sort of and i don't wanna i don't wanna come down sounding like an asshole here regarding the way people do collected preserve. Because you do you The people who speculate and really try to make a living speculating and that they essentially scalp. Action figures scalp comics. The way you would scalped tickets I probably shouldn't use the word scout but try to resell it. I r- price a decks. And they're certainly certain curiosities. That i don't that i do not get i. Guess like i've seen people who have boxed in slab like nintendo games. And i guess i see the value having like metro in its original boxing. Great condition and preserving that. But i have a metro dade cartridge here. I don't have the box. But i have the book that i have the sleeve and everything and i just play it because i have the nintendo and stuff so i don't know it's weird. It's it's you can have a whole collection about that like started with collection all conversation about that in episode. Like how far do you go is a collector. And how far do you preserve it. How much do you preserve ends. What's the monetary value of doing so. I'm gonna put a pigeon that michael. Because i think that's a really good conversation to have a podcast and i think the guest to do it would be professor alan. Anyway thank you for email. They give you the idea that it came up as i was responding to spontaneously here so professor. Alan did send me an email and with the subject of baseball cards he says tom love the recent baseball card episode. Especially the dramatic life pack. Openings dramatic stuff. Collecting middleton thing. My father was a stamp collector until when his health was such that he no longer able to keep collecting. he has slowly begun investing process. But i imagine that it is something my sister and i will ended up having to finish hopefully many years from now my first collection passion was baseball cards just before comic books. Mostly a love them for the statistics on the back. That's that was the seventies version of baseball reference dot com kids. Yeah i love the stats of the backs of baseball cards. Or maybe thomas in the window of spent quality time with the baseball encyclopedia. What can i say. Baseball stats with my i could. I don't know if i if i saw the baseball encyclopedia. I probably flip through it. I remember not owning any stat books and stuff like that myself. But i do remember checking out stuff like that from the library or like baseball history books too. I i really do like reading baseball history From library so more than likely. I came across it sorta stuff in the library but he says can i say the baseball stats my first decode. Yeah anyway i never had more than a shoebox of cards and only one was at all collectible. I had one thousand nine hundred. Seventy four. nate colbert card. What made it unique was that there was a rumor in the off season that there was a rumor That the patriots moved to washington. This was posturing to get a better stadium. San diego but tops did not know that so there. Some colbert cards that show him in padres uniform but identified as playing for washington with the nicotine name national league. He attached image and i will put it on the website. Mine was never in decent condition today might possibly fell self or five bucks. maybe ten. I sold my entire collection. Shoebox included that neat Bear card included for twenty dollars at that. Memory serves that card in top condition which might never was sells for about one hundred bucks. It would never paid for emma's college at least there's that's no allen your turok dinosaur hunter number one comics paid for m's college Take care of the summer. Keep the good work professor allen of the relatively geeky podcast network and that will do. Its before i go a couple of things of note programming notes. I i am working on getting all the episodes back onto the feed Teacher freaks launched a new website this year. And that kind of mess up our feeds a little bit right now. You'll be able to listen to the back catalogue on the other website itself but our podcast feed through apple podcasts etc only has the episodes that i've put on there which i i made. Sure that all the twenty twenty one episodes were on there as well as all of fallen walls open curtains and my hopes that by the end of the summer. I'll have the time to kind of put everything back the way it should and everything we back to normal so if you end up with a bunch of unlisted two episodes in your feed because they're really old episodes feel free to delete them or re listen to them comment on them if you want to. But that's why they will be showing up speaking the fallen walls up and curtains. I'll be back in just a couple of weeks with that. I'll have episode eight of the miniseries. Looney spending that episode looking at the events of june of nineteen ninety one through august of nineteen ninety-one as well as more ease movies This in this case. Us soviet conflict movies soviet invasion movies like red dawn as well as rocky for the movie that won the cold war and finally this august and september. I'm going to be presenting another six part miniseries. This one is called nine eleven in popular culture over the course of those six episodes which will come out about twice a week in august. Early september i will be looking at the movies music comic books literature and other items of popular culture that are either about responding to or inspired by the events of september eleventh. Two thousand one. So i hope you're able to come back for all of that. The meantime please drop me a line to let me know what you think about this episode or any other episode of the show and as always. Thanks for listening and take care. Thanks for listening to pop. Culture affidavit which is produced by me. 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Episode 220 The Yarn Wall

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Episode 220 The Yarn Wall

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Men running around new orleans two phantoms and sex are cana- and if you're feeling especially generous head over to our patriots. Where for just a couple of bucks a month you can help the moratorium grow and that would be pretty kick ass and remember long. Vhs fresh off of a week vacation and ready to get back into the podcast life. Welcome to the yarn wall. A place where jason i sweep up after our last movie is like a free for all. Dare i say smorgasbord of movie trivia. This week we continue with our golan globus part two. So let's get into. It cues a music and in three two already for data. Because as the big insane say spokeswoman the match made in a bathroom floating into the void. I have menachem. Golan's email address name written out phonetically. So that i quit trying to put that kept on trying to say menachem. Yeah you know. And then. Every i think i called him mannheim mannheim steamroller last month like six to eight times. I think we both did while easy. It's it's really easy. It's just menachem when you listen to the some of the people talking about him and the documentaries There's a lot more flim involved in his name. The sherby yeah. I think people that feel like they can pull that off will go ahead and try to pronounce it like that but then like guys from oklahoma. It's better just to spell like m. a. n. o. k. a. Am monopoly exactly what you have written down. Yes okay yes so that is what. I'm calling him he's still with us right. Golan is dead. Okay yeah he died in two thousand fourteen globes. Lovato think is still with us yet. He sort of looks like Scharzenegger's friend that was in all of those sure is face does not as vita. I guess i just say. I think i have like beard blindness. If somebody has a beer they just all look the same to me. Dude the amount of Freaking jumpsuits that. I look back unbelievable. I feel like if i would do the same thing if i if i was you know. I wish i could pull that off. Rich foreign movie producer pocketful of yoga. Is that Isn't that like a One of those quiz you know you can do online now as like you know. Which foreign movie producer do i most represent all my god. Can you do that. Sure i would love to do that. We'll do that test and we'll put it on on the website or something. Let's get in the show. Yeah or we can just quit. Let's just talk but record it okay. Isn't that what we do anyway. I guess i just described the podcast nydia. Welcome to the yarn wall. I'm tim cornermen and with me as always is yes and walker i say yes yes they have somewhat of menachem would say i tried to listen to him. A few interviews talk about different people. I had trouble keeping up with. I was like holy so energetic having him say to mr stallone as difficult then some mouthful for him. Yeah but there are several interviews about him You of them which. I watched on youtube You can see one which was Looks like was from two thousand fifteen called golan a farewell to mr cinema And it's it's not funny. Yeah it's not meant to be right okay. It's not meant to be ironic. Because he was like made crappy movies the producer of this documentary. I guess he had done a different interviews with them before about their movies This was descend a very twilight after everything was right gone. Basically he's just because it was two thousand fifteen. When did i say that he died. I already don't remember two thousand fourteen when he he died. This came out after his debt. Okay so he was looking pretty rough in it but he was telling stories you know yeah pitas get past it and get to his stories of when he was on the set when they were hot and doing. Oh my god can you imagine is pretty frigging cool. There was another documentary. I watched that was it had to be in. I would say late eighties. It was called The last moguls was a bbc documentary. Wow so you know it's good. Yeah it's nineteen eighty six and so they're talking about some of their prime shit. Yeah interesting it actually shows them and doing certain deals on the phone. Yes in a way that they talked to. You know they were able to convince them. Yeah in that electric blue globus. He's yelling at people on the phone. They have a couple of you know videos of that and You know menachem dislike giggling in the background. There who did their prang somebody. But no we have a game they. Yeah exactly. But i mean i would be. I mean it was pretty terrifying. You know and. I thought that i actually watched the documentary. Which was the gogo boys. And i think i told you that. I even posted on On social media when i was answering Jonathan night jonathan. I'm sorry. I didn't watch the gogo boy as i couldn't find it. But i watched some of these other documented ri- there's more than two and it has a lot of interesting stuff about the really the meat of them in their prime. Yeah of how they were able to make these deals and continue growing astronomically in the eighties. And i'm sure that it's you know kind of glosses over some of the you know the trouble tie not i mean and and you know they're kind of business dealing you know the way they. I'm sure made them out in a better light what they were doing that. Close to like Alica racketeering or something or or a ponzi skis. yeah kind of their selling a movie by over publicizing. Hey we're making this movie to get backers on. that movie. Is that to pay the last people from their latest failure. It sounds illegal. But i don't think that it's just a way around it. Because they were all the same company they were making these move right but they were just keeping their business. Afloat and the business was making movies. Yeah i don't think they were like breaking the law but it's like they definitely were you kind of like. They're doing the trump thing where they were like inflating you know their holdings so that they could borrow more money when actually you know. Yeah i buy that. They got away with it kind of castle. The wheels fell off but now was it in the electric blue blue documentary. That was talking about when he was making over the top and he was doing trying to get the deal with silvester stallone for doing over the top and talked to the stallone's people and they said hey he'll dear movie but his fee six million dollars and he says i don't want to pay him six million. I want to pay him ten meal right right right. Didn't we already talked about how that that may be over. The top wasn't the commercials success that they wanted to be and my heart at it is a success. Yeah i i have seen that movie too many and everybody knows about it but it's like did sylvester stallone. Not have anybody that was like. Hey sly have you read the script. I mean here's a script. I just can't imagine was the first movie that they produced with him I think maybe it was yeah and then subsequently they were able to make cobra right. And i think a few more movies with him. I go over. The top was eighty. Seven cobra was actually eighty. Six right now if you had a choice. Which one would you watch cobra. Who would have to be a double feature. I guess you're right. I guess you're right now. I know jason. You're gonna take down the yarn while later and takes to next week's movie up and we talked about this off. Camera always say off came off air. And i mean technically i assume that the nsa is filming. Somehow i yet absolutely abs- the amount of spam that i get on my phone alone because it's listening to our conversation within minutes of actually say like it's almost like wait a minute getting pop up some i was just i just had a dream about fat anyway. cobra i think. I watched that at the theater I watched many of these movies at the theater because they were so. That was just right in that time. This is the time when we were going to the moon so every freakin weekend even seeing like could just movies that normally. We're like all right as an adult. I kinda save all that up for one movie per se. No i don't go to the or well. I guess nobody's going to the theater. You know i mean now but yeah which is go see anything back then fucking idiots. We were talking off air because it's kind of goes with With what we're coming up with with the summer fest thing the and if we were going to do that next week or we're going to do your movie next that up to you. Don't have to make that decision at this okay but i think that my movie will be a nice transition into that now. Ha bloods you don't know why yet. But i will i think all right. Maybe you know what during this podcast. I'll drop a couple of subtle hints. And you see if you can you drop me some subtle hints last week and couple things which movie you're going to go go down and i'm going to thread together the kind of yarn that i had. Yeah you said it was a real short yarn right. Yes extremely two movies may earn three at. I'll drop a couple of big bouncy of hints through the through this podcast and we'll see if we can figure out a drop a couple of big thumbs up like oh it's become that kind of pocket all right guys next week we're going to lay a stinker on you stink pickle. That's what i'm trying to say was. I was gearing up for the summer fest. Yeah and i've already watched three frigging meal my god. Can you tell us what they are or is that something that work. Okay ha you've got something up your sleeve both sleeves. i guess. Memory is sleeveless shirt. that's impressive. I'm wearing a sleeveless shirt but not on my top wearing an upside down. You can rip your sleeves off and have any kind of sleeveless shirt now. We see that a lot of these movies too with our guy. Oh my god sylvester stallone and has been in many many sleeveless shirts. But then you've got the the wife beaters true right which are just just tank tops right. Yep john claude. Van damme is pretty prevalent in these movies. Wearing a tiny tiny strap taint top. What does that call now. His body makes me feel funny. Like lighter slide down the rope in gym class funny Yeah but mean. We used to call them wife beaters but now i think they're called the a shirts or something out of there some a. I've heard it called a shirt shirts. Maybe the i'm given too much. I'm really coming down hard on that a. It's just a shirt. it's not a shirt. Oh brother watching rap patrol while while recording by the way What is rap patrol old. Tv show from the seventies late sixties. Yeah yeah okay. But it's got christopher georgina as the main character and Man he was really great. That guy we need to appreciate him more all my god. Well that's what i you know as like okay. We're doing the podcast. And i what do i got. Knighted started looking up stuff and i was like. I don't have shit. I'm just gonna look. I'm just gonna see where the that's literally. Just a first think's i i looked up the cannon film list on wikipedia and it goes on and on and on you know it's in little sections and i think picked the eighties section. Which is you know the the band of that. The end of the god and he just all of the it's insane but I stopped on a beyond evil. I think we've talked about before Where's that one Nineteen eighty two Did the years don't help when there's twenty eight movie. Yeah realistically did exactly. It's got john saxon on it. A in it. And i kinda got i was like. Oh okay all right In i just kept reading and it's such a strange like the way these things are connected to. It makes you think that something is not wanna say. Everybody says like the matrix or whatever. But i mean really. It's like the coincidences are weird yet. Very very strange so anyway. Lynda day george is the female lead and beyond so i clicked on her talk about her. Yeah ya christopher george. That was his wife and when he passed away She quit acting but Man she was in some pretty crazy movies. You don't think she quite a few years before the navy's so i well. He died pretty young in films. But i'm quitting acting right. The ally suit. You're saying very funny him. She's a good actress. Look at the pictures for beyond evil. And she's like shootin green laser beams out of rise by remember that have like a more unhinged karen black little bit sort of his. That's possible get which is really stretching is it can sibling crazy. She's making a face and the imdb page for beyond evil as pretty pretty great man. John saxons is fucking ripped. I mean like ripped and nineteen eighty. This is prime saxon for sure for sure. I mean he was a good looking guy in good shape free no for most of his life. Yeah and no. When he was kicking ass he was he was stacked was he in his seventies when he passed away is not too long ago right a couple of years ago he he no. He died in two thousand twenty. Yeah right last year. I think he's older than he looks. Yeah he died. He was eighty three. What yeah when he died. Oh my god. He was only forty eight when he was a nightmare on elm street. So it's not so bad. He's our age. Yeah i guess. You're wow booed. i've got some real stinkers to talk about. Because i was just looking at the the list as well. I'm really looking at malcolm. And his freaking career. just under his filmography. Yeah now whether they they coincide with the entire scope of golan globus. I'm not. I'm just looking at his information right now on what he's done. How many directing credits does it. Give him producing. He has two hundred and twenty days for directing of forty seven. Okay 'cause i was reading about revenge of the ninja That was one of those where i mean it was. It's a ridiculous story where you know. He hired a guy who only just had his name. First bergh Can't think of his first name anyway. He basically hired the guy you know was there on the set when they started filming fired him and then try to do it himself and he's like i don't know anything about fucking and then hired the guy and i think that happened a lot. I don't know what they were capable of and because they had so much. Pull then one of these documentaries. He talks about when he was working on with With roger corman There was a race car. Movie that Roger corn moon was trying to do and Menachem was there. And i guess there was a group of people and it was late at night. And he's like hey we've got this race that were filming in the morning and we need to have a wreath. You know this giant style. Wreath you know. Four the winner of the race right. We don't have that and we need that we need to create that and it. Can you know who can get me that by tomorrow. Right and nobody spoke up and menachem. Says i can do it. And then he went to like every flower shop in the air and they're all closed because it was after hours right and he was peeping in one of the windows and he actually said through the keyhole of one of the doors on this on this shop this flower shop to see if anybody was inside. The police stopped in a and tried to arrested. He explained what was going on and that he needed to make this wreath and the police officer drove him up to the florus house at ten o'clock at night and say so he could wake him up and they went back and they made this wreath. Roger cormon the next day and kind of presented that in so he got clout from roger. Corman saying hey. This guy is going to be a producer. Wow how much do you think. They paid that floors Probably nothing pope name. He probably did it at gunpoint. That's what i was thinking like. They're like look you're either gonna do this or fuck in gonna break. Your ankle can lead you with them. Steagall rod. i mean. That probably didn't happen like that. Which is now not quite. We're editorial as yes anyway. That was an interesting little side. Bit though of you know what they were capable of at such a young age. I think that's what really propelled their their career. And they were able to create. This company is because of their ability to negotiate right and just like get things done against all us. Well i mean. That's a perfect fit for roger. Corman those two together god. That's can't not that which. I watched a documentary on roger cormon. There were several of them out. There garris did some interviews the several different ones. You can actually see the age differences. Both of their hair. Right of these interviews with roger. Riot was really interesting. I've seen one. I want to say it's called korman's world or something. That was a popular one. Think it might be on amazon. It was very very entertaining. It's a weird like dichotomy listening to him. Talk and then hearing these crazy stories about him about roger cormon because he just seems so like monster rogers and i mean. He's a square. You're right exactly. Yeah no is a teetotaler. But i mean and then he tells you to you know whipper tits out you exactly or you'll be fired even with humanoids from the deep. We talk about this. Yeah that was. He actually went behind the directors back while he told her he was filming these at added scenes but he didn't let her see these and nobody did until the actual bowl cut of the movie was awry. I did watch Bits and pieces of the remake The one with kerosene yes not. David ri- yes. Nerd caribe nerd. It is pretty bad. Yeah he's trying to be a bad ass he has. He's not a bad at hanham. You're always gonna see him as an preferred exactly. How many carotenes are there. Would you say sixty eight i think. Last time i counted a movie with keith heritage. Not too long ago. Right okay keith. Carrying wasn't he the one that was in dexter. Yes who is he in that. He ends up having a relationship with dexter sister. Okay and but he's also like an envelope. I don't think he's internal affairs or something like that. But he was in investigating dexter. Dexter dexter is coming out real soon. Oh yeah like a new season of it. Yeah since the hopefully redeem their last season it was a good series. I really enjoyed it. That have kind of lackluster ending. Yeah but many of the series series is a series. Mary min- are you. Okay with may have had a stroke many of the series that are on television. They don't have a way to end it so it usually ends up pretty shitty. Yeah like lost right and saint elsewhere was in. Oh man those a dream right. Snow glow something like that and dallas. They don't know how to end it so they just like drop it somewhere in the middle. I can only hope that happens to young sheldon. God that makes me laugh a little bit every time. And you know that. Roger corman produced a movie called cobra gator cobra. Gayer the weird match up. I mean i know there's a bunch of wait a minute shark a-plus versus whale wolf. Yes i just started. Looking at cobra daters so recent though and has michael madsen then on my god there's a million of them. Dino croc versus super gator. Isn't that what i just said. All sounds claim because they all have the same basic like they like through one of those like sets of like magnets that go on your refrigerator. it's just like with the word sauna. But so if you wanna separate between roger cormon and golan globus though roger cormon and this is what we heard from our interview with allan holzman as well. He said that rodgers not out to make a good move right haze out to give you just enough to get your ass in the scene right your dollars spent and you're satisfied. You're not under budget. And on time on yes whereas golan globus now thought they were doing shakespeare. He's not they were exactly well they tried. They did a fellow right. Yes and he talks about selling that. Didn't we talk about that. Placebo placebo lasted. I don't know. I don't remember that i wasn't he in black face. I thought you brought it up. Oh but and then quickly regretted that. I did they wanted. I mean i think in the one of the documentaries menachem was just getting a really good at that stated saying that he wanted an oscar. Yes but i think the closest they probably got didn't i think Jon voight didn't he get a golden globe out of a runaway train. And i think that was nominated for like three academy awards. I don't know what it one. I did not go down that route. I mean i think that's probably their most like critically acclaimed movie. Would you say it's the one that when they talk about it. It always gets brought up because the kurdish Maybe that's what helped propel their let me have a couple of really good legitimate dawn and just like you said they started trying to make more and more movies and that's what they make as many movies as possible get asses in the but promoting the movies before they were even being made right over to cons cans. I'm always going to get that wrong. Setswana cans at and putting up billboards of movies. That aren't me even made yet. When i read that. I was like holy. Shit that's brilliant. That's brilliant and balls. It is also said cans. That's another Little hint for the movie that I'm going to be giving you little hands. You know this one. You can watch the cayenne good. Anybody could watch any take shit and watch running manner or private popsicle well. It's private popsicle with that. Was what it does films. They did wake up. Boas day though as davidson the biggest pervert in the world. I started looking at his career. It goes on for forever. He has produced a few felix haunted. When you see of course he is probably a. When i saw interview with the he looks like his hand would just like turn into dust. You know just like mom that happened again. Let's back up a little bit on golan globus so we were talking about how they basically when they got started they bought the cannon corporation a canon group right for like pennies on the drive which was already making like swedish films or something or was a swedish company they kinda just bought into it and bought a name and just propelled that name and i mean even then they were making like like that like those lemon popsicle like a teenage sex films basically like porkies hot. Bubblegum sounds disgusting. You ever left a pack of gum in the car was just disintegrates. It's as gross disgusting. Not great but directed by david salle but they started getting into a few movies. That actually got the successes. And that's what propelled them up to the mid eighties. Yeah and we were just talking about Was it breaking A break in. I think is where we left off and then break into electric. Blue blue was the same year right. A huge successes in nineteen eighty-four. It just goes on and on alex making the grade. Oh i remember that. I don't remember watching that judd nelson. That was gordon jump. Oh my god andrew dice clay a time next time. We avenue remember next time. When we do podcasts. Have set a timer. Oh well have gone right ears. Thirty five minutes in and we got our first w. k. r. p. and cincinnati cast. Sorry i brought up the grade but just a little bit after that. I'm stuck on the movie poster. Great but making the grade nineteen eighty-four. I don't think i've ever seen. I don't think i have either. You've probably seen this eighty four. They did the sword of the valiant. Yes that is another. I know it as the green knight. It's the one with sean connery right. Yes i think they called. I could be wrong. He does play the green knight. I think right. And that's why we talked about it. It was The legend of sergei went in the green knight rights. And they throw in some other like arthur. Murray and type stuff in there but I just remember it for my child. Being so weird and i think i loved excalibur so i was like watching anything that had anything to do with like king arthur and stuff and that was a very strange movie. Also i cannot believe sean connery with let somebody like paint him like that. I'm sure he slapped at least one nyc up department person. Give me what that would sound like. There's no fucking way you're putting anymore green paint in my hair. The really good. No one better fucking look in the irish today. He must have been a monster. Don't you think back in the day. You just like rape a hairdresser and then just go back to work. It says here that he was making a never say never again when he did sort of the vast the lamest bond movie ever was it not the one with kim basinger and he goes to like a spa or something. I could be wrong. I could be wrong. Note you correct. Yeah that one is so boring with barbara herrera. Max von side. How bernie casey diana. I'm sorry i got. I got stuck yet. You got to reboot at okay backing up. No sword of the valiant. It says here that writer director stephen weeks wanted to cast mark. Hamill as galen by the producers minna menachem golan. Your globus cast miles o keefe in a ho man. Oh keys voice was dubbed by peter. I oh my god wonder how much o'keefe in this movie apps the waiting for him. I like it though still works. I held back three. John saxon jokes right. Thank you thank you man. He's so bad. But i do. I like him. i appreciate them. I shade his i do. I mean he does have a very. i mean. you're not here for the acting chops to look at his oiled up body. I could hear your air quotes. Yeah yes heavy air quotes and there's usually a girl that's pretty Easy on the eyes. I can't remember who the girl is. Alan can't pronounce your name. So i'm not even gonna try right. They also did Exterminator to i. You know the first one's the best one i think. Of course act. I is that the one with the guy with the. It's like lyles szeto now. That's the i thought it was. But no wiggle that confuse. This guy has a like a flame on the front. But it's robert dinty. Yes samantha eggar and christopher george right so That guarantee guy do not like him the deeply unappealing but exterminator to had mario van. Peebles frankie is on right. You know he was dr electors keeper in science. Yes is right. yes and there's an gross down there. Oh i love a little. He's kinda sprinkle a little airy gross on there just to gives it that kind of like paprika also an exterminator to there's a guy by the name of scott slow motion ran. The hot is that in quotes or is that as christian name. It's in quotes. Hang on a second. I need to get on. He's only got two credits to his name. I really wanna know how he got his name because he the only other credit he has was in miami vice and he plays manuel skates santiago. Another nickname in his. That's amazing he's probably a stunt guy and he did stunt and kind of like you know. Wow it really bumped my element parking barrier whatever. Okay so i'm you lost me somewhere. We're on the executioner. Right externalities terminator. That's why oh where's the executioner. Thou is Christopher mitchum who might think is robert mitchum son of second son of robert mitchum. Those movies are always gray where it's You know like steve mcqueen's Son chad mcqueen rising. That makes me laugh every time. Chad mcqueen doesn't really have the one of the movies. I watched this week. It actually had a chuck norris. His brother Aaron norris i guess he was a big stunt man you know. He did a lot of chuck norris as interesting. Yeah so. I've come across a lot of older brothers this week to see well they need to do that And maybe they did. Seems like in the back of my mind. There was like an expendable with like all of the you know like frank stallone and You know Oh what's swayze don swayze in rome. It's like a low budget expendable. I would watch that by the way. Hollywood get on that. I'm waiting waiting chad mcqueen. All right so far we at now we're talking about nineteen eighty five in the hot seat. Okay four golan globus here But they did a lot of the when there was a trend of hard bodies. And this is these in the movies that we want for our our summer fest. read our beige movies. I couldn't line Hard bodies for free to watch so watch that and it kind of dictated what i was watching for this but then i stumbled over other stuff. Well so hard bodies. I i know i mean. Obviously i've with gilbert godfrey up all night. I've seen most of those but i remember hard bodies being the little lame compared to like you know bikini car that i could be wrong. Maybe hard bodies. And that's where i think. A lot of these other directors are like you know what i think if i show a little bit more booze. Yeah little bit more acid. We're get round asses in seeds. Yup and also just throw the script in the track and then give me boaz davidson. Sorry the bikini. Carwash company routes actually an llc. I did not know that. they're legit. The public. I love it when you look at the cast on. Imdb and there is no profile pic. Until you're like way down Yep we know it's a good movie then. I've got a question and it might be this movie. What is the one that ends with their making bikinis. But they make them with Like surgical threads so that when they get in the water like dissolves and that's kind of the end of the the movie. Do you remember this. I want to watch that now. What is yes. Oh my god. There's so many i i am. I am deep deep in these iniquity. We named him buddy all right god. There were some hits and misses with these. Like looking at hot resort. Okay sure hot resort has bronson pinchot in it. I love him but he's not enough to carry this film. Who is who are these other people. I don't know eight reads young guys on the make. Get a job at a resort hotel in the caribbean bats. It that is. It's not even like a full sense. It's not gonna run on sun's. I didn't realize that i needed to know. Dan schneider's name. But now that i see him. Why do you need to know him is he. not now. maybe i'm getting him confused with a similarly. Big puffy guy was he not in head of the class With the doctor johnny feeder. I don't recall ever watching. That was what you didn't watch the class now. I didn't much glen an i. Guess oh just such a w head that if like eating of those people were in anything had to which we do need to give a shout out that we just lost Herb tarlac honored which is sad. Because i brought him up that same day to somebody at work. You kill them yet. You actually sorry guys. It's like When a bell rings and angel gets swings an angel clips his wings Speaking of head of the class Did you not. Brad pitt was in an episode of that. I did not watch that at all. I know we're way way off but weren't we already when we started where we on we were never on mugabe. Were always off. But anyway that one that show like started the valve. There's five seasons of it. I did not know that the somewhere in the middle. I can't even think of dr johnny fever's name howard hessman Was replaced by Billy connolly Replaced sure this is fascinating. Everyone but Someone to talk about that with me we have to do. The tv cast yes. We're you make me watch all of these strange. Cvs please like you've made me watch all of these weird and bizarre movies and talk about them in you do that. Alf cast or just talk about how there's probably one of their. It's on an onlyfans okay. I'm sorry i i digress. I did watch the trailer for Nineteen eighty five hot chili. Because i was looking like. I said i was looking for stuff for our summer fest and i going down this route now. Where i actually went was totally off the rails. Because i'll find a movie that i like that i haven't seen and more apt to go for that. Even though i really want to watch up the creek again yeah i agree and i find myself doing the same thing. I'm like man. There's no way this is as good morning. I just wanted better version. That i know is out there but i will watch these cheesier one so i have something more to talk about. Yep even the trailer for hot chili goes on for like alex. Meli c. h. I l. i. Exactly chilly that sends disgusting especially in the summertime. maybe that's making my stomach kind of turned his life. Can you imagine just a big old steaming bowl chili at the beach. Who's that girl in. Hot chili a has nobody in it. That i could recognize but hot chili reads a group of american teenage boys. Go south of the border to work for the summer at a mexican resort. Okay this is. Wacky guests zany adventures. We get it. German dominatrix music futures. Hot giving lessons buxom cook. All of these words are exxon scripture. Kind of word is buxom. And when you say cook i'm not necessarily thinking when i should be thinking the ad there's not like a Saucier now to nancy. parsons Smoking a stogie over a big papi says fasting and scrambled egg. Yeah and muttering obscenities about how she hates kids. Yeah okay now wait a minute wait a hot fucking minute. There is a still in the images on imdb Hot chili okay. Of i assume the main character behind a woman playing an oboe. Yes and she's naked. Have seen that picture in relation to something else. Oh have we. Do you know who. I know why this is a serious question. I don't know maybe because we came across this probably with taffy o'connell who is in galaxy of terror Ha ha menachem. I think you've that's that's going to be our eureka from now on. Okay also want to point out. The hot chili was directed by william sachs who also directed the incredible melting man. Okay was one of Believe that's wanna stand winstons. i Makeup credits. I'm almost positive. Let just give you could say real quick quick. Google search rick baker rob now. Okay yes that's us wrigley okay. I'm sorry you got all these guys in head edit all that oh that winnower. It really didn't so. I was looking at other stuff trying to to find something to watch. And that's what led me down a path of watching three movies. So far for possibly next week's. I'm gonna keep teasing this that we're going to be doing this mini marathon one week where they were just doing whatever that hopefully it it pertains to summer because we mean to lay some groundwork for waga think the elements of what. We're trying to describe here obviously bubis. I've came right out and said bubis dumplings fun bags. Bongos bazookas melons lady lumps heard him called pontoons. Before i think that's more of the particular shape potatoes. We were called shirt potatoes. I don't donna sweater. Muffins coconut s. that's good. How many can we name. I wonder i could go on and on tune in next week when we continue this conversation about. Have you ever heard the term blubber nuggets of probably my favorite one. Did you just happen to google. Search other. names ford tits now. I don't think you mentioned a tent. Right i mean that seems yes. We know tits So would you say. Sand is a component that has to be in the ingredient. You mean just that would encompass a summer flick. yes i guess. Not if you wanted to do summer school right. I mean they do go to. The dad doesn't miss. Well i think they go to the beach Also up the creek not a lot of sand but they are there on the wall or they're on a rare. I guess i watched a river movie. I watching it yesterday. Okay and i can't wait to talk to you about it. says it. Has some real familiar faces to us but kind of an odd one Yeah 'cause up. The creek is like the only one i can think of. It was a made for tv movie. And you know it had the when they would cut to a commercial as usually a still frame of the person action like they were getting ready to do something right and he just still framed on their face. Yeah yup that's the level. I math right like like martin. Balsam hangs up the phone and turns to get up out of his chair. And it's just a dun dun rite yup that's like died in vietnam like the at the end of animal house so but. Are we going to do that next week. Are we going to go into our summer. Flex into i feel like you know. Now that i'm reevaluating. My movie fits in for two reasons. That i'm not gonna name okay. It just as easily could go after or before. It's up to you but we are in what's today by the time. This next two incomes out will be in july let. Let's do the summer movies next. And then my movie can be a nice little Okay follow up. I'm going to name your movie later but okay well. Let's not let's not do. Let's tease it out. Just a little bit long. all right. You wanna stop real quick and go get a drink shirt hey freaks stirs and briquettes it's tim from the moratorium. Do you like the sweet sounds of our witty banter in your ears every week. Well head on over to our patriarch on and for only three dollars a month. You can get even more in the director's cuts of our movie episodes. On average. that's twenty minutes. More of our wise cracking jive talkin and lip flapping laughter straight to your ear holes. Go to the moratorium dot com and click on our patriotism link. And you'll find five awesome tears with tons of goodies. You can also find our t. spring link on the website for even more awesome merch. Thank you for your support now on with the show so but talking about the summer movies i got an idea from watching trailers of different golden globes. Moody's like because. I thought i could pick one. There's shirt and branch off of it and have even more to talk about ended you find a movie not let me down different paths where i was like. You know what. I'm going to sit down and watch last american virgin and no i didn't It was something. I just happened upon. I'm like oh yeah i. I've seen this movie. I know it. And then i started watching. I'm like shit. I may be only seen at once right. And i didn't realize it was that good or that now. The one one that i watched was rated r. And i was like holy crap. What does our get you in in something like the gossip boobs and we got a whole lot of cursing. I feel like kit. You show. I mean maybe i think maybe the rules have changed. But can't you show a little bit of boobs and still get away with like a pg thirteen or something right. But i think if you say fuck more than once or twice. Yeah you're gonna get it. I'm sorry but don't watch censor. I tell you that are okay. Just don't watch it it'll come up. Don't watch it. it's bad anyway. The one that i watched They were teenage kids in high school having sex and seeing these people that were actually old enough but you know the twenty two year older such playing a teenager that is getting topless with another kid in the car. I'm like whoa wait a minute. Does that cross the line with you. I mean you mean like morally. Or yes morally. We're pretty morally. Ambiguous very morally ambiguous. I want that on his shirt. No i mean. I'm good with that. Now we started talking about this I think before wasn't brooke shields in the blue lagoon. Lula judy was also barrio. Young age it was she and fox's or was it little darlings one of those where she and one of those. It just seemed like that. She was trying to give her virginity away. That was Tatum o'neal and christie macnichol right. Which will miss. Fox's thou when. I don't know off the top of my head but thank you i am. Dv yes that was nineteen eighty am. That was jodi foster showed he was lost. Yeah yeah and was she trying to get rid of her virginity like scott bay. Oh didn't we talk about this. That's just a whole other level closed. Some nacelle says randy quaid in it. Yes of i look at this just recently. 'cause lois smith talk about her. She's an old lady that shows up every now and then she was Helen hunt's aunt twister the one had all those little windmills that our yard and yeah right. Adrian landed fox's which is another like a loathsome individual. Oh god not now. I watched jacob's ladder at the theater. That was that was nineteen ninety. The year i graduated sought at the theater. And i was kind of blown away as like. What the fuck did i just watch. Came out of different man. Did exactly but i also saw fatal attraction at the movie theater with my cousin men this way i was going to bring this up because we were talking about in the height of our ninja days when we were wearing a camouflage pants and you know had throwing stars shit like that. I had a lotta yesterday for me. But i went to see fatal attraction with with my cousin. My cousin mike who is probably my biggest influence to nerd them and brought him up in the podcast before but he's my biggest influence growing up. I wouldn't know what dune was. If it wasn't for him. We actually play the board game for many hours. Lucky devil and many different occasions. Was there a empty. See in between you two when you went to see. Fatal attraction was on one side of me and my cousins on the other owners during the movie and just happened to be. He tells a story better. I know it is This was a mistake right right. After the sex scenes i adjusted myself in the seat and i push myself up or whatever and i popped my button on my pants. Camouflage pants where you know they just had a little cheap sewed on button. Bang right sure but they live it down there like god fatal attraction the longest time i cousin my cousin would say we'll bust. My buttons is timothy comments off couch. And that's how he would introduce me to people to that is something you talk about in therapy years later. Yes thank you. Jason for listening. God i mean what is this but just a long therapy said right long uncomfortable and unfortunately neither of us are getting paid to listen to the other person and not really feeling any better afterwards. Nothing is not making any break. Thor's or just kind of wallowing around fine. We're fine you're fine but speaking of guys. Hey good or patriae on and please help support us. We who we'd thousand dollars for shrink visit. I thought you were going to say new hosted a gun in sorry essence not really dark. My god. when. I looked up little darlings. Carney came up and yes i was going to break. I was gonna take to carney not too long ago and i. I couldn't do it. I steered my way around it. Just just the sexualization of jodie foster. No wonder she is a lesbian. That probably does not ever want to look at another guy. Gary busey and clown makeup. That's enough to dry it up for ever. You know what i mean. Wow wow what are we talking about. I don't know we just got back from a break. We're talking about brooke shields. For christ's sake. I'll because i was talking about the my teasing my summer show okay depicting underage kids having sex. Yes yes or this yet. Christopher atkins in a diaper yes looking at right now. Play him with them jubilees. The twins twins so really golan globus. They started getting in some weird movies and is the action movies overpumping now. They did a lot of like the delta force Pow the escape. And we'd since we just brought up a carrying. yup. I don't think i'd seen pow the escape. I don't think i've seen that. I don't know that one has brought up mako remember. Let's get hairy remember better movies. Yes and now. I can't get on the minimum golan's menachem sorry menachem. You're doing so well in your was a dropped menachem 's producing you can pay a nine thousand nine hundred six. Pow escape The delta force was also nineteen eighty-six which was chuck. Norris lee marvin martin balsam yet again. Man he was just the go-to bad guy. Boasts vinson robert forster robert. Vaughn steve. Rome is in there to watch how kim delaney i've never seen the divorce I'm sure i did back. In the day i feel like trent loved those movies. Trent if you're listening. I remember you missing in action posters But that reads after a plane is hijacked by terrorists. The delta force is sent in to resolve the crisis by shooting. Everybody killing everybody. I thought it was more of a war movie but so delta forest but then pow. The escape is colonel charity. They just kept his name by the way partly because he was too drunk to answer to anything but his own too confusing at that point. Colonel kerry leads a group of american. Pow's battling their way to freedom as saigon falls to the viet com. Wow david carradine. Steve james again also did lone wolf mcquade to which i feel like as i love that movie. Yes oh yeah. It comes on periodically. I and i'm happy to watch the the last thirty minutes right which is probably the best part of the movie. Yeah but at the end he wins and ends up leaving his wife and daughter on the sidewalk. There chase more bad guys like. Can we get a ride home. I or we no doubt. Work news Detective school dropouts. Oh wow detective school. Yes this this one we have not talked about. And if you look at it. I remember the box art but i've never seen this movie. It reads two bumbling. Private detectives get themselves hired to define a missing person. They find themselves in the middle of a mob war when it turns out the missing person is somebody. The mob wants to stay missing. I don't know if that's the way read that or if that is just the strangest description. Oh it's italian it's down. Now that makes sense. George george in it. It's written in part and starring lorin dreyfuss and who you might ask is more and drive. How many dreyfuss is do you know i am asking that question right now. Who the fuck is lorin dreyfuss. Older brother of richard dreyfuss lauren's girl's name isn't it. I mean we could look it up but yes We're already so deep. Yeah so older brother of richard dreyfuss. He frequently does voice overs for his brother. Okay throw him a bone. I wonder whatever voiceover actor for. Richard dreyfuss goes for these days. I can't imagine but he was in moon over parador and let it ride man. We're also going to stake out on this podcast. Eventually i went over some weird paths and the next couple of weeks guys. You're you're in for a tree. Because i'm gonna be going through all this shit god but anyway Lorin dreyfuss also. He played of the voice of old jay and the clerks car to. What's but i should give you that. That is a very strange. Bit of trivia He was the writer on skate town. Usa yeah i saw that do you. Are you familiar with that movie. No not but look it scott bay. Oh and ron. Hello ruth. Buzzy patrick swayze. You're rate to see how long it took me to bring up a little person. billy barty. Oh well we did it the podcast. Thank you thanks. Everybody her What are we. What are we at right. Now let's just go ahead market at one six team yet in the podcast died on. Palolo ruth buzzy. Patrick swayze as a johnson. I i must watch this movie in medium. Wow town also written by nick castle. Yeah nick castle directed. The last starfighter was also a writer on escape from new york directed a handful of things including nineteen ninety-three dennis the menace without walter matthau and he directed Major pain. yeah so such. Wow damon wayans classics major pain. Did you know the patrick swayze has an audi every day. I guess back then. Guys shirts ended like they're like twelve inches. Long is disturbing. Just going into lorin dreyfuss for a second though i stumbled across. Oh how about dutch. Treat the nineteen eighty seven dutch treat. What does that mean. I know it sounds so dirty and it probably is to. American friends travel all over europe and end up meeting an all female rock band from holland. Isn't that veered detail that last. Yes i did. Thank god and they pass themselves off as record company executives written by lorin dreyfuss starring lowering dreifuss directed by boaz davidson. Could florida. i'm going to have to ask you counselor where you are going. Because we i feel like we have completely bottomed out with now treat. We have. I want to go over one thing with golan globus and we can get onto the fun stuff. Okay all right. This hasn't been the fun stuff for the golan globus they produced dutch. Treat okay. i'm looking up. What a dutch treat. It better be fucking candy or something you know is not and for six ninety nine you can find out what a dutch treat is to do you know. What do you wanna fill. I mean we're not gonna fill them because this is a stupid saying. The term dutch tree is an outing meal or other special occasion at which each participant pays for their share of the expenses. Just going dutch. You are obviously not on urban dictionary. Please don't tell me what it means on there but your lowest they produced and number of like family movies with just a hint of boobs. I in one thousand nine hundred seven. They did sleeping beauty out. I don't want to know how this ends up. All of these were were family rated g. rated. Pg they were kind. I think actually business ended up buying the rights for these movies because they did not have any of these movies. There were supposed to do. I think i read Thirteen or more. Wow what are you going to do with that premise. In the thirteen i mean does she just keep on falling asleep. It's narcolepsy years. No i'm i'm talking about the family monet's so that most of them you know we're all these so we have rumpelstiltskin beauty and the beast. Alright okay sleeping. Beauty mark olympic juries. And i can't remember which one started it but they were on a trend of making all of these movies. Okay i don't know if they were filmed here but they look four. And even though they have like eric and actors in them. There's something about them. That looks like they were made in like east germany or something i would buy that. They were called cannon movie tales. That just sounds like pornos. It reminds me of the a christmas. Carol that bill murray was trying to do in scrooge where he could never love stuff. It's like it's it's four kids but there's a little something for data so the cannon movie tales and this is is under snow white like i said there's there's plenty of listeners that have some trivia on it to save money the cannon movie tales were shot two or three at a time. This movie was simultaneously shot with beauty and the beast. It wasn't the best of situations and often the two crews would be competing for the limited equipment and costumes and set so basically insane because a warehouse that they were just running around and filming these movies in right. Yeah it's like renaissance fair costumes. And they're just all kind of trading the now so here's the bit of trivia on this nine feature films based on classic nine new cooked or nines and that's the second time quoted that movie today really you watch that announced. Sorry just so. I can catch up. Are these listed in the The big list on wikipedia. I should be menachem. He directed a few of these sue. Okay this is nineteen eighty seven eighty seven. Okay so we're deep into them making a ton of movies right now cod. There's like forty of them in nineteen eighty six this unbelievable amount so part of the cannon movie tales series nine feature films based on classic fairytales. All of the movies featured well actors and actresses from the us and the uk. An were shot on location in israel. ha. Ha ha. that's why not kind of like gotcha in israeli okay. Now sny gotta linked to these okay now on the movie tales age. I have taken us all over today. I apologize and madness. Although the series was originally conceived as a whopping sixteen movies production stopped at nine when rumpelstiltskin nineteen eighty seven flopped at the box office and the remaining movies were sent directly to video despite their commercial failure. The movie tells garnered a cult following after the disney channel began airing them as storybook cinema and nineteen eighty eight o k so yuccas a couple of these look kind of familiar yet i i the amy irving in which one was i own and god i am lost. Cause there's hansel and gretel snow white. The frog prince has helen hunt in snow. White has diana rigg in it. they go all over. The place of rumpelstiltskin had amy irving. Oh help me. Out of billy barty. Oh god i think we can all think he might just be an every damn one of these yes. He is Here's a guy that i'm gonna mention here in just a second. I'll go down his path. Julian charrington okay. I just want to branch off on him real quick. Julian charging he just had that that face. And i happened to scroll down his stuff and and look to see what he was in. And he's a uk guy that's why we don't we might recognize. His face is not as name. The one movie was questionable to me. And it's called here. Come the double deckers again. Serving dictionary has very very different. sounds disgusting. It reads the adventures of a gang of seven kids whose clubhouse is abandoned in a double decker bus in london junkyard but it usually involves a bit of singing a bit of dancing and general fund times general fund times. It gets kids really this general fund times so this is a tv series and there was seventeen episodes and it looks li- disturbingly like Sid marty kroft. What's it called again. It's called here. Come the double deckers. That sounds familiar. I don't know. I thought for sure you'd have something on this. Oh no no. I've never been exposed to this madness. Our there's jane seymour and peter holy shit. It is very much like Yeah said breadcrumbs psychedelic kind of. Wow that is which easing this was. Nineteen seventy and nineteen seventy one. So guys go check out that god st the abuse that those kids must have suffered is not cool. It's tragic again jane seymour. When she's like fifteen or sixteen has to be. That is just how she. She's another one that. I think probably got very exploited a young age absolutely like harassed to unbelievable levels. Could god tim yet. Better have a damn good reason. We're looking at all shit of this i. I don't have any places going other than i didn't know it existed. Who are the guys in the like power ranger or they're like very colorful astronauts that are i don't know years eighteen seventy going back to golden globes so back own out of that go back to the golan globus family films. We also have hansel and gretel. Nineteen eighty seven which had david warner and chorus leach. Men playing griselda the witch okay. That's unfair i. Love course lesion There was looking at sleeping. Beauty was nineteen eighty seven and it had tawny welsh in. What do we know her from. Tiny welsh i kind of went past. That and i was like very familiar. She's the chick can in cocoon. She's the chiller alien. Yeah but there's one for instance that was for sure. Pg but i mean. I knew like like time code when it showed her. But like i mean i had it like i could just pretend like i was watching everything else and just yeah. It was pg thirteen but as far as movie boats. Go a plus ranks up there. Yup also in sleeping beauty though if you look here. Ola sylvia miles. Oh okay morgan. Fairchild jane whalen yeah. That was surprising. What year is ou- one that these are all around the eighty seven. Yeah that was at the height of the the go-goes the go go's if you see also here in sleeping beauty. I be remiss. If i didn't mention that kenny baker plays elf. So thank you. Thank you not welcome all right. Well let's finish up. Let's go into the fall of golden globe as now. We're sad to say that yes. This couldn't go on forever even though they did. Some are our favorite movies. Couldn't quite keep up the momentum. They did great but too many failures with not enough successes at lower rates. And i think this is where menachem jesse have got out of control. And that's where. I i saw on these documentaries. I started making everything that came across his. Your mom was constantly trying to find the funds for these movies right. Eighty seven in particular is just like a sh- mortgage board of movies masters of the universe superman four nasr superman for what they said was mostly the the demise fire member when that used to come on. Hbo i would just be like no thank you. I know. I understand that it's a movie. I should probably watch but no kind of put my hand out and just say now. They had some critical success movies now. I never watched barfly. I feel like it was on a lot of you know during my childhood and it was just like you i. Maybe it was because sweaty. Mickey rourke and yeah. Alice krieg jack nance faye dunaway frank stallone. Oh my god. I did not realize that it was based on charles bukowski life. It says semi. I thought it was. Oh get this barflies. Nineteen eighty-seven american comedy drama film. I see comedy drama romance. Yeah it was hilarious. When he barked on faye dunaway away. Or and there's another reason why. I probably never saw this movie. 'cause i didn't pick it up. Because i can't pronouncing his bar fli artfully yet. That's his name. Barfly bar flee the barfly john. Kenneth bahraini calling barkley. Hang on a couple of minutes and you'll see who who good so round nineteen eighty eight. We start seeing stuff like are you mentioned salsa. Yes the forbidden dance. So boaz davidson wrote and directed salsa. I remember seeing that on the shelf and i think this is a lot of these. Were like straight to video and i wonder if they couldn't get these in the theater and so they were dumping them off on video just to try to recoup some of the money that they were losing. Who is the audience for a long badeah. Do you think. I'm not sure. I haven't watched it. And therefore i mean maybe like dirty dancing kind of like a. I mean because i saw dirty dancing a lot but yeah because they said it was okay to watch yet. Another movie about pedophilia. Wait a minute was bay about underage name is baby that which is a little off putting on. I'm sorry i get off on a little trail. I'm completely lost. We're getting to the downfall in nineteen eighty seven nineteen eighty eight. We did have a lot of hits. Eighty six were tiny hits but a lot of ms rice critically acclaimed movies bar fli not so critically acclaimed masters in the news. That was a real real. Stink burger surrender. I thought that was a pretty good movie. I remember surrender with sally field. Michael cain steve. Gutenberg peter doyle jackie cooper ball. Louise lasser julie. Crab ner wow. I don't think i've ever seen that hang on. I gotta get my eyeballs on This is Wealthy writer who has terrible experiences with money. Hungry girlfriends and ex wives pretend to be broke washed up novelists to see if he can get a woman he loves who wants him for himself. Not just for his money written and directed by jerry. Belsen belsen. you know jerry belsen as on student by. That's what i thought. He was also listed as part of the writer for student bodies or the director at one point. That's how i know his name. I got to student riots by using jury. Belsen way back in those a teacher at the school or who was he in student bodies he was the breeder okay toys debris either. I just thought that would bring that up. So so you got a classic movie like surrender with sally field. Michael cain and then you come back and you do death wish for which is by now really an audience but he wants to. I never saw death wish for the crackdown. That's what i'm trying to remember his like. You know i mean. I was into those movies. Anything with like guns and explosions and shit and even those were like just watch die. Hard for the fiftieth timers and around the same time. Nineteen eighty eight. Did braddock missing action. Part three braddock. Not a bad seat doesn't one of those have an exclamation point at the end of it. Or am i thinking of mcclintock or something. No that one has a colon braddock colon missing in action. And you gotta call on. You know it's serious about alien from l a. Oh god that is a punishing kathy ireland written and directed by albert pune. Well who did ha- sword in the sources we did it solved it and also Did cyborg which also you know. Enjoyed. 'em sorry. Not gonna talk about that anymore but really. They started losing money. Probably after superman. For lord superman four failed so bad. That was such weird up king movie. I think it's budget was cut. Nearly in half during the making of the film that other guy was just laughable. That other guy. His name is mark pillow. Mark pillow played nuclear man. That's the guy's name as nuclear man. Yup that's he was. That's just the final indignity and i think they cut the budget so hard on superman for that. The special effects really really suffered so it looked. You'll each. You can't tell a bit jon. Cryer was supposed to be is he. Lex luthor is like lenny is his name. that's insane. We just lost him too. By the way. What jon cryer. No oh god don't cared for his second jon. Cryer died. You mean mark pillow. Ned beatty died. Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah. Yeah didn't yeah he's fine. He just died like june thirteenth. Did you know that he won a best supporting actor for network and he was only in the movie for like two or three minute awesome. It's the same thing with Anthony hopkins he. He won best supporting actor for Silence of the lambs. And if you put together all the hannibal. Lecter scenes the his only in the movie for like seven or eight minutes. How sharpen trivia and you guys dropping it hard that nuclear man costume. Yeah it was bad. I wanna do that for halloween. One years anyone knows but i do as and trivia. I mean it bombs so bad at the box office now. Christopher reeve and this is according to the documentary series to that we were watching so christopher reeve didn't want to reprise his role as superman. Yeah he kept putting it off until somebody else was getting cast. And i think he stepped in afterwards and said If your back move street-smart i will do superman for. It's a package deal. All was that i don't remember that street-smart streets are is christopher reeve playing a reporter who fabricates a story about. I believe a pimp and then the pimp actually comes after him right right right. I've ever seen it. I remember watching it. You know what i mean. I think of him primarily. I mean i guess everybody's as superman but what was the one with Burt reynolds and Switching channels switches acting. Yes are you ever just latch onto those. Just i mean. I'm sure it's an awful movie. But i like loved it. I think i saw like a lot. I don't know why. I have plenty of movies like that. That also has ned beatty in. I have seen cocktail more than any human. That's another one and for the longest time. If it wasn't for us and for i would have been referring to the flugel binder as being the proper thing when it is actually an aglet. Hey those are the kind of problems you wanna up. Somewhere in. Time was really good yet. That's an now somewhere in time. I was going to bring that up. Because that was jane seymour. Too right yeah. I almost went down that road earlier. Yes so in the trivia here for superman for the cannon group thinking. They had a potential blockbuster on their hands. Cut the two hour plus film down to lean ninety minutes so the theater owners would have more screenings per day and potentially make more money. That would eventually filter back to the theater or to the studio did that work. I don't think so. Because i don't think so. It died so horribly. Yeah according to mark pillow all my god. i'm going. i'm writing that down. According to mark it's gonna be my new tv show that i'm coming up with. He found christopher reeve to be quite intense person during the shooting but said gene hackman was. Oh my god is gene hackman. Not the absolute bet. That's like my favorite gene hackman role that and the guy unforgiven the nannies. A good lex. Luthor. he is nuclear. Man only has eleven lines however in deleted scenes as three more lines many locate. They cut the film big time. And i think that's probably there's is never going to be a hundred and thirty four minute cut of this being released because nobody wants to see it mariah but somehow better than superman vs batman do you see where it says gene hackman as lex luthor slash. Nuclear man voice right. What is that all about. There was a second nuclear man. Okay k. mark pillow. That is pillows. I just keep thinking the my pillow guy. The crazy like mypillow guy. We didn't mention dirty pillows. Yes that planes trains and automobiles. Those aren't pillows. So mark pillow was not the only nuclear man. There was actually a first nuclear man. Okay is that the guy that's kinda green with the spiky hair and originally the film had to nuclear men the first dubs nuclear man one because that was the easiest thing to do. He wore a black costume okay. His scenes were filmed but eventually cut. It has pictures of that in the in the photos on imdb awesome. I wonder he kind of looks like bowl from night court a little bit. It looks like richard mall. i could go is a richard mole as fighting christopher. Roll my god. I i would watch that i would sue ann. Four though trivia for that movie is insane yeah says west craven was set to direct yes but was replaced after creative differences with christopher reeve No will christopher reeve when he took on this role. He said also he wanted to be he. He's listed as part of the writing team because he was allowed to mid creative choices for the film mariah. He came in swinging his dick around. Is like gimme that script. No no and he's also like a real method actor to like his really like that. He was real method in the movie Called above suspicion. Okay it was one of his later films. Actually i enjoyed and he was accused of of killing his wife but he was playing a paraplegic. Oh interesting and court. They were trying to prove that. He wasn't a paraplegic. I think in they stabbed him in the leg My god and he didn't move okay at the end. You know you see him get up that he was playing. He's really method. You know talk. Yeah but it was an interesting movie. But it was real interesting that his paying payroll pelagic and knowing what we know now yet. Yeah and i think similar circumstances very weird and he fell off a horse. Yeah holy shit do. Did we just like uncover some conspiracy. I've been carrying this with me for some time. My god we need to need to wake up. The president got to wake up. The president originally had to nuclear man. His scenes were filmed but eventually cut. Allegedly because previews revealed several serious visual effects errors. Oh for sure. The deleted footage was considered for a v superman film. That obviously didn't get funded. Thank god again. Better than superman vs batman. Yes they called everybody to see if they would direct this pile of shit. If you c- christopher reeve suggested the cannon to hire ron howard directs. yeah ron howard was unavailable. He was dirty. Ya willow by the way. Yeah he definitely didn't wipe his ass grip and set it on fire. Thank god i mean. At least you've made willow you know so anyway. Interesting stuff superman for help. Bring down those the great great company the cannon group but it also failed because they were looking for money and they went to a guy that became a partner. I think in the group okay. Yes his name was peretti. And this you can read all this in the wikipedia down here in the nineteen ninety to nineteen ninety four relaunching demise of golan globus golan left cannon films. So i think he he was just like he can't is showing out flames. I can't do reis. i'm stressed to shit on my third triple bypass menachem continued working with peretti. And i think peretti got into some money troubles and they they all ended up defaulting on loan payments together they bought mgm so there was an mgm path merger whole crap and even though they did that they weren't able to make anything out of the company the head that just the ups and downs are crazy well with this new money really believed in it but they still were putting out some shitty movies American ninja four came out about that time which was american ninja for coal and the annihilation. You remember hinge. Tae kim je tae the forbidden subject that i remember seeing that box and i was like. Oh it's death wish but like we're gonna shoot a bunch of people that's really what it was also and nineteen ninety-four cannon pictures released. Its last film. Which was hell bound. I meant to look that up feels like an hour ago. What what year was that ninety. Four there it is. i see it. Read it off for our audience. Frank shatter is his name and two police. Detectives investigated brutal. The brutal murder of a rabbi as the investigation begins shatter and jackson. That's great are summoned. Israel that's gonna be the sequel like god x. verses sever some summoned israel for questioning upon arrival. They realized that they are in fact pursuing. A supernatural being Don't you hate that emissary you. How do you pronounce that process. Tahoe's zoo. I've eaten there once They've got these little They have like a Pesto that they put on like kind of vodka. Toasts if not like a An olive oil is actually just a stick of butter with pesto on it. And you just kind of cloud bread on it. Yes so decadent using. The bread is a spoon for the butter. Yeah yeah like a lot of pasta. Went down between now between the golan globus. Okay now wait a minute. This thing gets insane so presente pronounce his name. Satan's emissary tried to wrest control. The world from god during the crusades however was stopped by king. Richard who trapped him in a submarine subterranean tomb during this encounter with king. Richard the source of Ghana's power his sceptre Musonda was shattered into nine pieces. Which were This this is crazy. Okay so this guy is trying to find all the pieces to his and He didn't count on getting roundhouse kicked in the head by chuck sergeant frank shatter. That might be the best trying to think of a better name than that. Coming up short there were a lot of hell like detective and hell movies. You know like i. Power and Was at one was denzel. And john goodman fallen. Yeah yeah yeah. Yeah all right. So more on Post cannon here so guy that came in and swooped in and help out. His name was peretti. He helped reorganize cannon pictures as a low budget distribution with his path. Path past okay. And they started to try to get things together when they bought out and gm. I don't think help them at all. They got in a more money. Troubles right peretti was pushed out a management control of mgm in nineteen ninety one after he defaulted on loan payments per ready was later convicted of perjury and evidence tampering in the delaware court for statements. He made in nineteen ninety-one civil case. I don't know of that has to do with anything The guy's a little crooked. Maybe let's i am under investigation but I'm a gonna make the most of this in ninety seven. The supreme court of los angeles entered a final judgment to separate civil suit against peretti ordering him to pay one point. Four billion to whatever billion italian authorities arrested both men and extradited them to the to the united. This was somebody else called florio. Ernie and accusing fraud menachem got him with the wrong guy to try to revive the company and it just never recovered for anything at the end of electric blue blue. Is there kind of a sit down with the golan globus. I think there is talking like an a movie theater. Yeah yes i watched. Two or three documentaries did not get to wash the gogo boys. All of this is a fascinating story about your childhood and how these movies came to light. They might be know immoral of lighten monsters but man they made a good trashy flicks. Good good stuff. I have to say if we are going to postpone it for a couple of weeks The movie that i wanted to do is they can and film so so. We haven't heard the last of them are. It's a rich bounty or let's get to it first. Let's take another little break and before we do. So let's just bank golan globus for making these films recreating our child for molding us into the geeky men we are today. Thank you insane vaster. This is krista from the moratorium few like grizzly gore mysteries. Of course you do. That is why. I suggest you described my blood suspended animation dormitories waiting to be told where we at the moratorium offer a number of lurid from men running around new orleans to phantoms in texarkana. And if you're feeling especially generous head over to our patriotic where for just a couple of bucks a month you can help the moratorium grow and that would be pretty kick ass. And i remember long way. Vhs we've been teasing about this movie. And i thought sure that. I knew that next week's movie or two weeks now. We're going to do if from now okay. Let's announcing now that next week we're going to have our many movie marathon. Yes many summer movie marathon. we have name for. I know that i you earlier. Something like yes. Movie madness summer. Freaky fast some are freaky fast. Freaky fests low work. I kinda bit something. We'll come up with something better. Yeah can have corey feldman fest. I guess i watched a movie. That had corey heyman. That's all i'm going to say. So i'm gonna watch more of these. I'm gonna probably companies. I'm gonna give you at least five movies. Probably because i'm on a kick now and there's still a few that i wanna watch okay so next week summer. Freaky fest tentatively titled. Yes we after that we're gonna be going back to our our regular scheduled programing. Yes and you've been teasing the movie that you were going to take us to. And i kept saying that i knew what it was and i. We haven't talked off air about as you will. No no no. And i liked the surprise and i think the surprise is as a lot of what we were daring each other to watch these movies. It seems like so we can talk about it for another two hours. Oh absolutely i feel like i have given you a couple of real well. Almost almost gigli hints at receive. Because he said it was more of it could fit in our category for our summer. freak fast. whatever. We're calling it in that there is a certain amount of skin exposed and and that maybe has sand. Maybe doesn't oak. I thought i had it until you said that it was a golan globus really you. Did you state that that it was the next week. Minute is like hanan film at probably my favorite no shit that makes me think that i am incorrect. Wow let's hear what she got. Let's look at our casper since we're going from human waste. Sure so we've got. Doug mcclure vic moro cindy weintraub. Let me stop you it Doug mcclure oh you're gonna go from doug damn okay well let me tell you that i was wrong because you said short yarn. I thought for sure. You're going to go with cindy weintrob. Who played carol in humanoids from the deep and i think carolina was doug's wife. Is that correct. I think that's yes yet. I thought you were going with her. Because i thought you were taking us to the prowler. Oh no sorry. This is probably the most sure. I've ever been in guessing them. How really yes really think. You're in my head. i can't even find a hate. It i keep on going to the damn tv movie humanoids from the deep where in the world and night neil won the real one. I tell you though. I i did watch most of the end of humanoids in the d. The tv one The thing that we really like from the original movie Did give you that that ending. That was total alien ripoff or the the humanoid popping through our our raped chicks stomach. God so they do an ultrasound and say maybe we should think out of her before it becomes. Yeah there's a whole nother story there that needs to be told. Yeah i've potentially Thorny subject that we probably should end the remake and the tv version it does the accelerated growth thing. Okay which they didn't necessarily give us in their original movie but this in fact is a woman like in her car driving o. k. season traffic or something and comes to a stop and then her it doesn't show the actual humanoid coming out of her as just you see her stomach. Growing her dress pushing out screaming there may have been some blood splatter on the windshield or something and then fade to black. Wow so really kind of a letdown. Now they did. Use some of the original footage from the carnival. Yeah i remember when they threw that carnival for the humanoids and like hey thanks guys and they came in and just tore up the place and kill everybody. Yeah right humanoids. They love good carpet. You know who doesn't all right. I'm totally wrong. We are not going to the prowler. No we are. That is that that movie. i enjoy it. Because it's one of thomson beanies first movies. It is oh warm. I mean and it has such a predictable plot new. It's almost like some of the plot of student. Bought plot of student bodies is actually better but it does have some good. You know it's got some good kills. I think i've only seen at once or twice. I would rather just watch a super cut of all the time. Savini makeup effects. You know no we are from doug mcclure gay holy click on doug mcclure on dougie dougie. We are going to go to a. I mean i guess you could in a broad description. You could call the us. Yeah oh no that's another. That's a double entendre adventure movies. You know indiana jones. I guess but also like you know sheep. Adventure movies like alan quartermaine stuff like that news in a movie and seventy eight called warlords of the deep Warlord lord in looks awesome. Oh it looks very often is incredible. And if you click through it. I mean the it's just stills of the movies to the special effects the okay i it's definitely not a you know you're not getting a ray hairy housing level Of claymation and stuff like that. It's like a jules verne sort of. I mean it is like a harry house so bad. Move into the center of the earth we find. Yes right okay. Yeah yeah. I mean he adds sits all atlanta. They are the warlords of atlantis. There the titular You'll see why that is a theme here. Yes do you think that They were like a biker gang and also you know in in real life and wore had just w o a or whoa on their back of their jackets. Yup we are. The warriors of the dad wasn't the catchphrase of Joey lawrence anyway. Anyway as john ratzenberger at it i saw that. Is this our next movie. melvin it has an actor going to do by peter gill more not to be confused with david gilmour from pink floyd. No there british Second there. I thought you were really going to go with. Michael go third because he was in life force. Oh wait. I'm sorry i'm sorry. I clicked on the wrong. Damn thing michael. And we are doing life you i'd Boom that was a real roller coaster. Almost had us doing a completely different movies. Glad you'd talked me before you out here. Who is that then. your guilt. Well i know where you were taking us. Yeah weird okay. Peter gilmour out of your mind. Yes algal gothard. Monaco growth are gothard gothard. Let's say fast like the author And i could not tell you who he is in life force he is the he's with the military i assume But then there's also that blonde haired guy. I don't i i kind of forget if we're michael gothard but it doesn't matter because you know that that's how i usually do. These is it just seems to like serendipitous that one movie away could get to one that we needed to knock out. You know so yes. So that's it and we've talked about often talk about it for real z's yes exactly is there a like Extended criterion collection of this movie. I believe that the copy that i have says director's cut or something like that. So if i find out that there's a extra scene i i will definitely Let you know how let you know about those extra sees a feeling there. Some deleted seeing kids this. If you're i mean i would. There's going to be a strong warning probably before Maybe at the end of next week's episode but there are some you know. I can think of two reasons why you might want to you. Know not let your kids listen to the podcasts. I mean i said shirt potatoes earlier. So i don't know how much about bad crude we can get but we'll see we'll definitely see how we're going to see him but one of my favorite movies of all time directed by tobe hooper. What else do you want to stay giant. Like i mean the end of that movie is so insane Steve rails back is in eve rails. Back amway great growth chart. I thought for sure he was in like He just has those beady little glasses like he was in stargate or something. He's in ken russell. Movie kind of looking like a alex from a clockwork orange. But now okay just curious. Yeah the devils. So peter firth. Did we mention him a second ago. We saw him as a young child. in a What looked to be a german porno but it was actually children's film. Oddly enough i got a lot of trivia about this movie they. They called him colonel kane because they wanted michael cain and they thought well if we just name the character he'll have to do it he'll have to come on in. Yeah did not work out Mattel the may as space girl space girl that sits enemy glorious when we finally do this but summer movies. I all right. That's awesome when she read off I know our audience. If you're listening to this you know you know ally for allied forces about is a very short description here. Read it up a race of space. Vampires arrives in london. I mean that's skipping past the first hour of the movie a race of space vampires arrives in london and infects the populace beginning and apocalyptic descent into chaos. Is that not the wall morty want. That is the best sentence everything so it is just one sentence but it says a lot awesome. Oh man vampires. There's kind of a zombie element There's a couple of big elements that we will. You know what i'm saying. patrick. Stewart is in this beautiful. Patrick stewart fenway which we brought him the as the three musketeers. Yup i think there's might be a couple of those and there's a lot of british kind of old actors. In this aubrey morris Was the schoolteacher from a clockwork orange. Him the mentioned mathilde as i mean. This is a cult classic movie. Yeah for sure they let hooper fucking go wild on this thing and he did and they lost their shit on yeah was not zilly was not successful their really pushing but we are so glad they did. Yeah i mean. I guess that's really a nice little slice of what those can and move. I mean that's kind of the epitome of the cannon movie. I buy it all right. Awesome our guys next week. We're going to do our summer. Freaky fest. I don't wanna if i like that name somebody kilowatt award better name. We'll work on if we can get it to our audience. Hey give us a better name. If you're lilies gives us a better name for summer freaky fast and maybe will use your idea. And plug it on the podcast. Yeah come on what you got please. We have nothing left new were spent. And let's go ahead and break this down jason. Don't you tell everybody where they can find this. Just go to the moratorium dot com moratorium dot com. But he's going to do it for you. Know you'll find a link to everything including lifeforce which i will put up on the website. You can get a quick link to it. You can watch lifeforce for free by the way on tubi and pluto very nice very nice we like free movies and we both of those learn non subscription services that the are not censoring your movie. She nand knock in a blur out those movies. This would be a twenty minute long movie. If that was the case. No yes but hey if you feel like you want to support our podcast like I was really thinking about some memory supported. yeah i was. 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Episode 124 Yarn Wall

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Episode 124 Yarn Wall

"Hey Phil Freak stirs. It's Tim the moratorium just here to remind you that if you enjoy what you hear please like Shirin Subscribe, then Rinse and repeat we're just a couple of small town nerds trying to make sweet geek love to your ear holes and we can use your support. Check out our website for movie reviews, links to social media, merch movies, and more. You can find us at the moratorium dot Com. Now, that's out of the way on the Shenanigans. Welcome to the yarn wall a mini moratorium. I'm your host. Tim Cornerman on this episode Jason and I take a long drunken dive into the depths of IMDB. This is where we break down the last week's film and follow the yarn to make the thinnest and slightest connection to our next movie. It's kind of like six degrees of Kevin Bacon game with slurred speech and Double Vision, which can only explain the sudden jump into the middle of the thread of the conversation. That is the Yarn Wall? Years, Vigo. Trying to. A winning. Lots of loose button. I don't even know if I can lament. Here but I'm GonNa try I made a huge detailed list. Eighteen Open I D bad Wow. I'd. Piece something together. I went down so many rabbit holes. This week just because I wanted to make it interesting. The next movie easily but. He wanted to. You didn't like it you know. I do everything the hard way. Tina Turner. Raggedy man is that what you're saying? For some reason I'm stuck on. Albion. Is. As in the top five, but I'd say because. that. Your guy no no no. I just happened upon him. Because I was looking up all sorts of Weird Shit? And Acting Just like go on and on and on. Literally every action movie yeah. The Guy. breaks the case it gets the. Candy. Diehard Yeltsin has like chewbacca being the leader in that movie. Maybe just let our audience know who Al Leong is. He played gagging Gingas Kahn. And Bill and Ted's is Gingas I'm man I. I like Gingas Kahn Genius Tom like a bag boy game? Yeah. Yes. Looks like you can kick out his leg he falls over. Body. I just happened upon him. I. Don't know why I was looking at different stuff. I didn't realize he was in lethal weapon and die hard. I remember shocking the Shit Out of Mel? Gibson. Yeah No he I think he was the one. That movie again along. That it's so good. Okay. So he was in lethal weapon one. But he was also in lethal weapon four. As. A different character. Have you known him to look any different than the as. They never making. Anything not so very interesting alley on. vk beat the. Is. Speaking. Who? freaking. Michetti kind of He was in Beverly Hills cop three. which I hate it you know it was just horrible, right? It ended up in a museum park. John Landis directed it. Exactly. Split at comedy kind of dark situation. Very Weird. How on how did you? Probably because we're looking at Rennie Harlan his career. How did I get to him I? I have no idea. Yeah. I think so He's probably got some weird creepy stuff. Like number one challenge journalist. Game. So. Before we go any further. Welcome to the yarn. Wall. I'm your host. Tim? Cohen. Mun. Thing in their. Out Do. All right. And Still Jason Walker. Easy Greasy episode where we just get. Oh Man. I didn't have anything to talk about last night. and. Now, I don't know where to begin because I have way too much to talk about. What I did. I waited and waited crammed this morning for it and I even know where I started I know what? I. Want to talk about it like a Neil. Pussy turney little. and it had to do with the movie bugsy. Oh Warren Beatty. Tab Open. I am DB. On some people that are. Going to come up in this. Episode, again no, I, thoroughly agree. There's. I. Mean like the revelations I was talking about I don't know if I wanted to save them or you know what? I mean because I wanted to mention several people today to. that. I really want to go in depth on I started writing down their names, but they're kind of in my yarn. You. Know this podcast will never. If I go down every avenue I want. Become part of the singularity. I want to say I don't have much to add about prison. I really don't. There's not a whole lot of information about this movie and I think we already covered it within the pod. I mean I was hoping for at least like A. You know one of the crew. During the filming. Humor. Iraq explained accidents and stuff like that. Not, that I read. A. Fantastic Trivia for. Mesler. Lane Smith, was what? Is He's still alive. Yeah. No no no Lane Smith died I'm sorry. Cow. Yeah Lane Smith died in two, thousand, five from. LS, Lou GEHRIG's disease wow. Yeah Care Professional. I am and I don't have an answer for that. Out To. Remain a mystery yet lane Smith you know I I. Love Him. He's been in a couple of my favorite movies, I? Think most of all. My cousin vinny. I saw my cousin Vinny I think six times at the theater. Identical from right you gotTa slap, your hands together when you do. Then ICAL. River but. Vinnie. At that time I was working at the movie theater and our Sister Theatre had my cousin vinny we didn't have it at art theater. So on my days off I, kept going over the sister theater to check out their movies, most of which were kind of artsy and I just got bored with them and went into my cousin. So. I loved it. Around Maggio. Never really you know I guess he's a child Dr. Not Karate kid or anything. Yes. I think he was only three rate. Hilary Swank and. I'm working at Robin live lease You. Enemy argue we're. Going to open up. That guy from Oh, my God, the guy from fires. It's in Michael Black. Thomas in. Christmas best. Not Right. Is that it? Damn it. Re a lot but he's like a really bad guy Martin said, make his knuckles bleed. Yeah he's like some rich guy just. Thing Thomas, Griffith so Yeah. You. Wealthy Yes. act. Fragile ecosystems the dump a bunch of radioactivity. Also a karate expert. School and he also went the Vietnam with fucking John. KRIEF. The. End. The, slow burn. So Thomas and Griffith what I remembered him from around the same time was excessive force. We was a good movie. Kind of. Shot I WANNA see the Talking to. Michael, four or something. Young. Burt Young. Lance Henriksen James Earl, Jones Tony Todd I'm like Holy Shit. Yeah. But he also wrote excessive force my. Interesting. Building and the shit out of. You get a writing credit. Needed I. The contrary. You think he's a Weirdo. Follow him on twitter. Remember going to see. Vampires. Lawn. Because, he almost has like. Alyan Alan Leong. Going to. Because of Lane Smith, we went to my cousin vinny, which we were talking about Ralph Maggio and karate kid three. This is how it happens. Sau Starts. But. Have you watched any of a Cobra Kai? It is it is, and actually if you WANNA see Ralph Maggio a little bit older but kind looks exactly the same. And Williams ABC has great in. Is. Few episodes ago we couldn't remember his name for some reason. Just. One of the guys. We are losing a lot of people though. Sir Ian Home is now passed. In home. Ever he's he doesn't terrifying and he is bro I mean Bilbo right all I can think of is that weird space when President says Yeah, yeah. MOUTH GETS real big. I started to look at his career just to see if I could do a deep dive on him. He's been straight laced through his whole career done a lot of stage and shit. But the only thing interesting about his like Trivia was he hates milk. The hated the that they were. Ailing, exactly, and that's what it pointed out. Yeah I think so. said that he regurgitated a lot of milk and let's I think so oh my God. They. Had less layer. xer system. I'm sure like Williams and like. Directors. Unless you go back over to Italy. That's my segue right there. you like that. Going back to the Italian directors. I don't know why I decided to watch this movie last night but I think I was looking at Stacy Keach to try to see about doing a deep dive on him because he's had a very long career. I didn't get in that far. Later in Maya deep dive is everywhere he is. So I just happened upon this movie IMDB calls slave of the Cannibal God. But it's also called mountain of the Cannibal God. There's one other name to it as well. Guess. Stacy Keach was in this nineteen seventy-eight slave of the Campbell God directed by Sergio Martino, and this was right around the time when there were a lot of cannibal movies. Think Cannibal. Was Eighty. So, this predates that but Sergio Martino did screamers. saw that box at the video store. All the I never watched it. And I I. Don't know why I mean on the cover. It's just a skin human guy just. Screaming and nothing right nothing else. That thing over something was like whoa no way. Rated PG or something and I thought we brought this up in an earlier cast but I'm not positive. Streamers with. Played rebel right Peter Weller. which that's just about little robot buzzsaws in the sand and the future. But this one is like a humanoid deep. Yes. They. came out on. Blu Ray You're saying that the different director, it's also titled Island of the Fishman. Like holy crap. Screen yet. But. Very cool. Oh. Yeah It does. But. You see that one of. The things got somebody that would have fish. Idols table. There's plenty pictures here with Barbara Bach. Just wearing a a loose white blouse. That's just. In, hand just showing off every nipple angle. and. Oh. Here's the title which is called something waits in the dark. The director. Anthony. Keno into. You know let's people. Yeah. There's plenty of pictures where she's just kinda posing next to him. To this also has Richard Johnson in it. I just we talked about him before I think just because the Dick Johnson and it has Joseph cotten. He's been around forever right He was in citizen Kane. You know he was in Soil Green. But. He's still with us. He's eighty eight. Same old actors just like I. So strange to me when they pop up and seventies and eighties movies in other. Hey, those thing over and they're just like bit parts that like you know. Yeah Got His shirt button to the NIPPLES and where. So. Good and so bad in Spain you know the. First Nipples not on purpose. Every once in a while serving Sergio Martino also did one that I want to check out sometime called torso. Carnal violence. Idol for that I. Guess. So a string of appalling lust murderers, shocks, the University of Peru's. As a sadistic killer strangles to death beautiful college girls with a red and black scarf. Then that. Sounds interesting. Axel. Periods Shit look that math on. There are some interesting box arts here. I'm anxious to get back to the Italians. I know we're going to get back. There were not going to watch this one gay I watched it for us. I wrote a review. It's up on our website, check it out. You can watch it for free on. Youtube. So slave of the Cannibal God is Ursula Andress, and I told myself I wasn't going to do this every time I hear Ursula Andress 's name. I think about Hammond Doing Sean Connery on celebrity jeopardy. Love what was Catherine Deneuve Ursula Andress and Charo twice? Which makes me laugh but I love Andrews, she was a bond girl she was in Doctor No, and she was also in Casino Royale. Movies. She was all over the place and this one she was in her mid forties came out they did the same type of thing. She wore loose fitting clothing throughout in the movie She's trying to find her husband who is missing in. New Guinea. She gets. She gets Stacy Keach to help her. Offer innovation could be he's pretty young in this I mean he's in his early thirties. These Cannibal natives are wearing these weird kind of sat cloth masks and that was pretty creepy. With all these kind of cannibal movies, it's in for the shock. And the first half of the movie is just. Kilson animals the first half of the movies and adventure and the like there's a big snake eating a monkey. Oh this is one of the video nasties by the way. I yeah. Seventy seven listed video nasties. Probably because of this scene in something, I'm also I'm going to mention here in just a minute, but they stayed on this snake this monkey for way too long. I had to fast forward it. It was the hardest thing to watch. Seen. Ample Holocaust and they're just trying to fill time. Them Gross after like Mondo Connie and stuff like that basis of death and How they? They. All the shock will there's a scene that has. Hark fighting a snake. Well, it was still brutal and hard to watch. Out there's a scene that was it's great. They're going through the jungle and Ursula Andress falls down and she gets trapped and some vines and she screams because there's a tarantula coming straight at her. Stacy. Keach runs over and. He comes over he stabs the Tarantula. Ends I D did he bite? You know he's like good because? You'd be dead seconds you would vomit for three days and then die. Somebody. Else's vomit vomit. Too Bad. They let that surely one of the tribe. Gotten, just like falls. The tribesmen that were helping them get to this mountain that's where these cannibals are, but they didn't believe still existed but that's where her husband disappeared supposedly. So the natives that were helping them, they don't believe in killing creatures and since Stacy Keach killed this tarantula, the then had to sacrifice another animal to make it alright they got an Iguana. And I'm pretty sure that was a really Guana. Again it was just like aw. It evoked the emotions that they were trying to get it to evoke. And exactly. And she threw it wasn't until halfway into the movie you start seeing more cannibals and they've been stalking. They've been picking off some of the natives that are helping them, they picking them off one by one, and that was kind of interesting. It was it was cool. They finally kidnap everybody right? So there's a guy by the name of Manolo. And Stacy Keach and Ursula Andress zero three left and this expedition they all get captured the head of the cannibals notices Ursula Andress from a picture that he had I guess he took off of her husband whom now they believe is an idle because he had a geiger counter. And for some reason, it was embedded in his chest and they it was still going off and they thought it was his heart or something they tried to explain it. It was silly. But really what it was is that Ursula Andress didn't care about her husband. He went to find this cache of uranium or plutonium uranium it doesn't matter. They were trying to exploit the natives to get this giant cash of uranium. Diamond or you know Something? Yes. That mountain of the really Nice God or like Always something bad. Why? Don't. They, ended up killing a couple of people and eating them and. There was a midget. Cannibal. Was the best part of the movie little midget Cannibal who goes up to the guy playing Mino- low and it looks like it's a rubber gummy lizard and forces him to eat it. Just shoving it do his face. It was pretty funny. Then it turns really fucking dark. Yes the native women end up losing Andrus. Up In some headdress and covering her body and kind of a mud. Just to get her naked, that's all it was. It goes on for a long time. Anyway, there's a big celebration I guess everybody's getting just whacked out on Magic Mushrooms, I don't know. There are long scenes of one of the natives masturbating a woman. It's pornographic. I mean, it's it goes on for a long time. There is a couple that are going at it. They're having sex and there's another native who is railing a giant pig. It just keeps cutting back to them. Like. A music montage of Shit. You don't WanNa see. Why The music, you know interlude to tell you that something's getting ready to happen sounds that of like invasion of the body snatchers. Row Wow. Wow. Wow that's what it reminded me of now I didn't need to see that railing of the pig from behind he's lifting his tell you don't want me to go into detail. Day. Yeah. Where are you going city boy? Anyway. So lots of death lots of cannibalism slave, the Cannibal God check it out if you must. Admit that I am not a huge fan of those like track down the river. People get picked off one by one everybody's ready and. It looks miserable. Kind of the like say that you've seen it but not like an annual viewing for me right long. I do WANNA, go back to the Sergio Martino either several movies that I want to see. I might peruse through a few of these right up some reviews and put it on the website but remind review you know. Or don't I don't give a shit. But I got to this because I wanted to see Stacy Keach and A young Stacy Keach. Never seen like overweight ver. now, he's always been stocky. Stop Name for the last week I mean because of figuration stuff I really liking. Guy Like sensitive also. Home. And he's been in a ton of she at. Want. You know. believes. Stacy Keach is now. Nine years old. He's got some time. So anyway. I was not doing my deep dive on Stacy Keach just following him to see this weird. Cannibal movie. So. Did that. You know we've been picking on the baby's today what's up with that? Do they deserve it. Goes up and down for eight years. Awesome. Superman. But then again it's so this is what will learn today from the person. I kinda WANNA talk about. Cancer. The book by its cover because he's follow Ed Daddy just in the wild. Like whatever and disgusting really he's just got like a wife beater might catch up on it. But he does get typecast kind of like a one. Could be. I. Think I liked him the most and. Was it the toy along kid never went back from really oh, man seen it so many times. That's good From the Christmas story. No. Yes it is. I'm sorry it is. Share, the fuck is. Guy's name is Scott Warts. He looks like Ned. Beatty now. Remaining. Flick Flick. Wow, I hate that movie. I it's Christmas from the. I won't watch. Anymore he was in raiders of the living dead. I'll man and. Like I. Yep. A terrorist secret A. Teenagers Revenge. Raiders of the Living Dead I. Don't think that means what they think it means. A newspaper reporter here's of strange goings on on a remote island. He travels there and finds that mad scientists lives there and he's creating zombies that was written by a teenager. Big Rack. And a car blows up. This. Is Written and directed by Samuel. M, Sherman. He wrote blazing stewardesses. and. Then Nadi stewardesses. Blood of legalism. Walking goods. Eighty six. Brain of blood I actually feel like I've seen that before I think I've seen Satan's sadists. An. Reu. Yes it does did you click on that just pull that out of your brain pod Okay. Talk. Who did? Yeah with. Vinyl justice. He did hobgoblins. Yes. Do episodes of. Mike. And he directed without warning. It's where it went back to. We will make it to without warning at some point. But not today we talked about this and Neville brand was in without warning. Landau looking. Completely insane. I just saw him in another movie called the return I realized he did all these. Movies. Dumping Out. He's Niles Buchanan. To Young Children and an adult a small town have encounter with an alien spaceship twenty five years later, the children one of whom now is the local sheriff are reunited in it just it goes on to. Say. Without War Neville brand. But Yeah Martin Landau was in the being I wanNA watch again. A mutated creature is wreaking havoc. Town in Idaho of police chief in government scientists team up to save their rural town from this menace. Look. At the box art, you've seen it. The being. Okay. Fish Person I don't know I. Don't remember seeing this movie. Can't wait. Written directed by Jackie. Kong. That's a woman. She directed night patrol. How Everything is connected move. She also directed blood diner, which I've seen that box so many times and never picked it up. Oh Yeah, two brothers are entrusted by their uncle to uphold the ritualistic cannibalism of the ancient cult of she tar in order to do. So they have to prepare a feast of sacrifice for the resurrection of their goddess. She Utah. Fuck as she tar. Heel not not herbal. Movie it looks like it has been kind of. Cool. Now Mind. It's kind of five point four stars on IMDB I mean. Nicholas. Made. That up. Allen. As she plays show you're. Of, course, she was in Vamp I. Mean Look that picture that straight from vamp. Want to see her. Nothing. Yeah Good Luck. Or. Anything. On my God. Another has multiple Buydell, but I think they just released assembly race vicious lips. And it looks like a Glam band maybe eight. That's. Crash land on a planet. Did you see wrote and directed it? Albert Pune Sword in the source or. Okay, we have gone in so many circles. Out. which. Anymore. Radioactive Dreams. We talked about radioactive dreams. I need to see this because I really like both of those guys answer. telemark. Are we talking about vicious lip still? A radioactive dreams, same director but I like the John Stockton. Like an eighties, John Stockdale for sure going to do my science project that. That would be a lot of fun. Radio. We talked about this before when we were doing sword and the sorcerer but we didn't go into great detail I. Just I remember it and we talked about it I said I wanted to go back and see it. I've got to put it on a watch list. Click it's on a watch list so Probably, you. George. Sanity. Do I was trying to think of earlier that like a? was they you know he's always been the same age? Thing density. He's in those. Great on park every once in a while. All those movies. Nico Master Akkas. Another Greek guy he's to figure into my we'll do the was going to talk about. The movies. Okay. Options and George Kennedy Wings. Hauser. was three hander. Now that was nineteen eighty eight scientists poison the water supply of a small town turning the residents into homicidal main froma Kaido maniacs who. Who Kill each other and anyone who passes through. This sounds just like impulse. I talked to you about impulse that was with Sim Mathison. And Meg. Tilly. We talked about that because a small earthquake releases some whatever into the water supply that the cows drank and then passed it onto the milk. So anybody drank milk went frigging nuts yet sounds like that. Like George Kennedy's. Have you having water today. Years. No liquid has after. in they're like what a coffee drink coffee and there's a music thing that goes like. Movie I was. Adam. Yes. All right. You want to go into your your guy now. Or do you need me to go i? I and. That way when I, come back around to my yarn, it's not like me talking for like forty five minutes straight like I. Already have. All right. Well, my guy I just happened upon them because I went down some long yarns this morning. But he's been around since nineteen seventy. He was in the bill cosby show. He did one episode there he was credited in vanishing point nineteen seventy-one. I'm talking about John. Amos. This guy has been around for a long long time. Are we talking about the? Master exactly. Dialed in John. Amos. Probably was most famous from good times. He He's The dad he also did Sanford and son he was in one episode the funny side which I don't even know what that was and it was another TV series. Yeah something like that. He was in sweet sweet backs bad ass song. Yes. Fun Melvin Van peebles. Mario was in it as well. He played sweet bag. As a kid I guess. There's a Max van peebles to. As in a few things he was in. Nothing worthwhile. WHO's in the Casting Department for New Jack City Anyway, John. Amos as dawn a Lotta Shit. Did it episode of Dick Van Dyke He was older Kunti Kim Tae and Roots TV series, he was in the Mary Tyler Moore show a was Gordon Howard. Gordy Howard. There was a TV series called future cop. A veteran patrol officer gets an ANDROID for a part. This had Ernest Borgnine. And John Amos, it was only on for seven episodes. This was nineteen seventy six. That was a little bit before its time. Era. One. But you've already mentioned the bee's master which I love the beast master seen at so many damn times. Mike's First episode and the kind of quizzing him on. There they're getting ready to watch his first movie. They say speech, NASCAR's name. Mark Oh, I, thought you were asking. I thought it was part of the joke. Talking to myself. Walks up. In one. Mike. Now I know why they called the show be. got kind of like A. It's not the best not the word. John Amos also cap didn't Dolan in hunter the TV series. I watched the shit out of hunter. Hard not to because on like right when I got home from school move either that or a wrestling Charles. Halloween was the captain that. Fred. Dryer. I don't know why I liked him a lot. Yeah. He was pretty, Gritty Pretty Gritty. His picture on IMDB can look like a a young Clint Eastwood. got. The. Big. Main craggy. Stephanie Cramer Plate is I liked her a lot to. Daphne Kramer was in Noma to brains beautiful girl hit by car. That in the movie or just she was at by car, we're going to have to get drunk one night watched. Mamadou brains. and. John Amos probably was very famous for coming to America, he was the McDowell's owner. which I guess he's coming back for the sequel. The sequel to coming to America is in post production right now. Anything about that, I'm pretty excited about it. I watched that. Again. Probably saw at the theater and still still quoted. The red haired guy from that. That's the kind of drug at giant. Oh Damn. That's okay. Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah. Last action hero the he has a guide is like yes. So, John Amos was in ricochet. Die Hard To. Enjoyed his role in that he was a bad guy diehard to if you remember that. He was the one that made friends with Bruce Willis and basically just setting him up. I. Just remember him in the back of a truck and men. We have a situation here and they changed from the blanks to the real bullets. Back. Yeah. Ben. Diehard. Italian westerns you know. A. Sergio. Leone funding splitting. Up. Like a hundred other. Yeah, he's. He's the originals. Okay winning. Talking about he's entire to Yep Williams. I remember, hating. Anyway John Amos prolific career. He's got some interesting stuff here. Good Times nineteen seventy four. This is straight out of IMDB FAMILY SITCOM that took place in Chicago ghetto high rise initially prided itself being the first network series ever to be created by African Americans. But subsequent episodes were taken over by others and was increasingly disgruntled by the lack of quality of the scripts and the direction that. That show was going once focus on the importance of family values. It was shifting more towards the silly antics of Jimmy Walker is performing a runaway hit as a jive talking son Jj John began clashing with a higher ups by nineteen seventy six was released from the series as with his character being killed off an off camera car accident while finding employment out of state. They. Just got rid of them and made up a story. It. It says here in his trivia that he quit the show over complaints directed at him by fans and friends the show is not a pleasant portrait of African, American Life and somewhat insulting. All. I mean I. Remember Good Times like dealing with some pretty serious issues in check remember paying particular. I did. Watch it. Or I get. Jimmy. Walker Guy. Is He really Where is he now? May still doing some stuff. I don't really WANNA. Watch. But anyway. So John Amos been married three times. Played football at Colorado State University played professional football for the Norfolk Neptune's. In the late nineteen sixties never heard of team. John Amos was once a golden gloves boxing champion. found. His career. To. Be. Interesting. He's friends with BEA? Arthur. and. Louis Gossett junior now man. He's still around Jeff asked him about. I WANNA ask what it was like to birth Dennis Quaid's child or What we would talk about the entire it wasn't his child. Right now they did not happen in the movie, but maybe in my mind I thought that. Refresh my memory. God. I remember the torment of that being on HBO. I did I did. I just couldn't relate like it was on all flying. Either Watch that. Shows. Jennifer Rubin. Human screamers the bugs. Not The Interesting. John Amos, prolific career hundred and twelve credits. Murder Hero. was recently in a movie called bad asses on the by you. Talk. About very tone as bad. If you click on it, it starring Danny Trae Ho and he looks like a Mennonite interesting but the box are shows him in full Cammo with a fanny pack. But bad asses in the by you had Danny trae Oh Danny Glover John Amos Mad. On a golf cart that just takes any trace back and forth these like. There's no way he was like. Yeah Unbelievable Four hundred and four credits for Daddy trae ho. fucking believable. That's probably right. Dany trae Oh seventy six now. Like everything he's in. Heard great things about him. Anyway, that's going to wrap me up for John. Amos just a solid actor been around for a long time nothing. You know he doesn't play third fiddle in. A chainsaw band. Cemented that he is basically wearing leather I. don't know. And these master like most of 'em is. He's only covering up. But he's a bad ass to. Yeah something I need to watch again You know John Amos was in a movie called dance of the dwarfs. Yes. An anthropologist hires a down on his luck helicopter pilot to fly her into the jungle where see searching for a scientist who is investigating reports of a tribe of reptile men. Some, type of professionalism. Like. I can fly in their. Wyatt through fucking. It. Looks like the helicopter pilot was Peter Fonda. Dance of the dwarfs was also titled. Jungle? Heat. Jungle Fever Yeah Gentle Season Wow. Wow. Wrapping this up. Close Knit. Tab John Amos. For everything given US joining. Thanks for showing US your book. Getting. Pretty. Good sounds. All right. So onto your guy. In any kind of order. Guy But I also have a list of eight guy is that you want to do. Yours, we were just talking back and forth over. So many things that had popped up nine. You know maybe we'll just in that sort of like you know impart Akot our connected like that. Yeah. Yeah. So. Many bio of the guy without saying namely even. And Lemme. Real. Nineteen fifty. Nine Raised on the Columbia River Longview. Academic Athletic as Casanova. The second siblings. Managed. Are You Doing John Ritter? An. Actual credit is for the terminated James Cameron's nineteen eighty-four determine Bill Paxton. For his clothes. He was in Agra. B. Called Leader Been X. File that guy. To Brian Thomson. Prefers, the lighthearted Fare Neil Simon, but he plays psycho alien. No this guy yeah he's always been a creep. He was the the slasher in. Cobra. Long Line of row space. If you just took something and kind of lose it around. He would be handsome. For Space Yeah Yeah. Good looking but it feels like as he got older, he got weirder and weirder. The. Next and maybe he does have a little bit of static on his face navy. Baby. You know when he was a kid. In. Many pain. Role. Wife or I couldn't pick out as much. I fall asleep to it often because I put it on when I'm going to bed. You remember him to. I. Haven't seen that long time. Maybe I didn't realize that John grinds was in Friday night. That we had two of. Episode. That was. Meaning the scene of Knight Rider Music Vampire slayer because and I'm reading this trivia is faces so fucked up that they didn't have to add prosthetic too. Big, forehead that they do some. That's all they put on him. Wow. Reliever out. Oh. He's for sure in clang on IDA surreal. Wow he was in night wish I've seen this box art so many times. I've never seen the movie, an episode of Moonlighting. That show a professor and four graduate students journey to a crumbling mansion to investigate paranormal activity and must battle ghosts, aliens, and Satanic entities. fucking, great. That's night wish. Wish and he's the. In this movie, I've never seen it. It's got Clayton Rohner in it. Only think. Fuck that's insane Robert Tessier is in it. Dude. You know this box are yeah. Wow, that's going on my list. Great. I don't think this came up. That's insane. Pandering on writing it down night. Wish I. Think maybe I come across this on Youtube. Maybe you can watch the movie on eastern remember during that like tank tops. I remember that tanktop. Are. He looks fucking stacked it to. ME. On the list. His name does not fit his. Yeah. Okay Yeah Yeah. Thing. I like his haircut usually either has. Reads got kind of like A. Military, looking hair which doesn't. Some point. At space. That is like we need to do like the Mount Rushmore of these like me movie actor faces. Get on our. When A living lock. Okay so I just before I started kind of going off the deep end. I I, wanted to do it about this guy because I love man he's talking in a movie and Hughes Good. A little further. Bio He's married to a was married to I'm sorry divorce in ninety eight Isabel Master akkas. Okay. She's a conducive and. Walk. She Produced Zero Voice Ninja Academy. Anyway. Is Nico Master rockets okay. Nightmare new warned me about it had been. Wings thousand. Anyway Law. Blind date just came up to just a second ago. No this was a different blind date. And Joseph Bottoms and. Her. People their names are kind of I can't turn out some anyway. So his wife. Dad produced all these like I mean like the list goes on and on just kind of. Yeah And the producer on. The wind is meg foster and wings. Remember that I've seen it before. Steve Rails back. Interesting. Benico rockets collection. Produced a bunch of. Movies probably on here. It keeps bug. The bug. If things. Like I don't know that one. Like on TV all the time. All I can think of was the box art for the nest, which was giant cockroach kind of making out with a girl. Actually. Fudge. Dammit Allen. Don't really recognize him. You know what I mean. I don't look at Alan Fudge fudging say. That Guy Yeah. So. What's this in his trivia that says about Brian Thompson played the first character killed by the title character in the Terminator Unless You Count Bill Paxton. Well then he's not. Oh Jesus. King much, he gathered some bad reputation for his portrayal of Shao Kahn and the unpopular video game sequel. Mortal Kombat annihilation. Only, thing that I. That enough. Things there why are they hate him? Because he's. Maybe. kind of like. Washing. Not, to get it all. Trademark is deep smooth baritone voice, his square JAL and bold. Blue Eyes. Towering Height and Brawny Physique. nope. I like that guy and I like fire to kind of like. I like it when big like he's six foot three, he's huge. But he's been movies, hundred and four credits. Man. News. Player for a long time, he was an alien nation, right? In, the movie and the series. Yeah You know he's one of the bad ones I. Guess that is another one. On so much so much. I was just like can't take any more. and. He was in three Amigos. He's like a German. Is says Germans other friend was. God. Thing. Come. To believe in. Hell he was in Falcon Chris Series for a while here. I think it was wasn't a run off of like Dallas something like that. He was in three fugitives again with Martin. Short. Sure I'm sure he plays good guy I'm telling you are Pazar crossing so many times. I'm neglecting to say a few things here because. Update. Exactly. Because it's just like strange how we just did this. So, Brian was also in Dr More. DRID. Charles Band Film. Yeah. Also written by C Courtney Joyner who wrote prison Dude. Like, we're going to make connections are not going to make some people. Happy. They found us at. Yes we've. We've cracked the Matrix. That's it. Okay. Where will the TV series I know that a lot of people are like loan that show I mean I. It will didn't. You try to track it down for I. Didn't watch it Michael You know for sure Michael Wanted. To talk about Traci Lind one of these days. not now, but she's on Friday night to and she was kind of. The girl that was in a lot of movies around. I feel like you've glossed over one no one credit here for Brian. That he played Buffalo Bob. Joe Dirt. Actually has that like. Duport. Yeah Joy Reid from monk. Looking at Google it. Now. My brain hurts my brain hurts because I made this yarn that is going to go on forever. And I felt exhausted when I went through this yarn when I was done, I was like, Oh my God. I just felt like I had the greatest dump ever. All right. I got to look it up and Ted Levine God dammit. That's easy. It is I'm totally going to cut all this out. The start over. A Hi. Welcome to the yard wall. All right. Anything else you WANNA say about. Brian Thompson here. Interesting career. I think I probably know him best. Slasher and Cobra Yes for sure pointing. Fire, axes together. What were they doing in that room I, have a feeling. Like. Beginning. That's hilarious. Things that we Did we touch that COSMA TOs directed Cobra. Wait a minute George P, COSMO's we had to have talked about that before. We talked about how he directed tombstone. And how Panos is credited in tombstone at. Yeah. His son Yeah, we've we've gone over all this. Okay. Ever have that little any gums earning many again but that little. Lane. I can't I. Don't recall. He definitely has that freaking this not even a toothpick that's a frigate matches lit. Chewing on a match the entire time. You know, I make fun of this movie. So often I always say like you're the trash on the wastebasket or something like that. Oh my God of course we talked about. George cosmic because he did Do. Fight similar unknown. Kind of just waiting. Waiting for that clue who? here is semester stallone in the back of a pickup with that gun there's a picture of him with that Gannon Cobra. He's also a couple of grenades. I don't remember him throwing grenades. Also. Was Looking at. My own business and how did I get to this Mark Lister Steve Courtney join or Maybe it tracing. But class of nineteen ninety nine. One's coming up. Because they're. Okay. Blow your dumb cracker mind but again, mark. Let's. See Courtney joyner wrote about the nineteen. Ninety. TRACI Lind is in it. My God. I see it right here. How did this overlook? And table at. Twenty or thirty. Which is nothing for what we? EHRENBERG. Things. Years only shit whatever that was. Drop the MIC. All right anything else you want to add about Drying Thompson IMMI- come up later because I'm going to bring him up. It's crazy. You know. I'll just be eventually on the fat and like a of around thing with like a bunch of monitors around. And is constantly trying to connection. I'll be like those things that minority report. Yeah. But you'll have all the answers. It only means something to US link. What's what's sad is nobody's going to care as much as we do. I feel like we have. Unburied something. Big this week. Like. During like. Make. Some weird connection like. On some boxer and you can feel the codes it like something. I get it. It's cloak and dagger not really a Hollywood movie but more like a like a Sega Dini game. I swear you said Hollywood booby. What time there to Run Right. All right. So let's start back at prison. All right. Prison had a handful of actors in it. We'd go down and Vigo Mortenson 's career like. That guy. Not a lot of crappy ones you. Now he's actually just got better and. I think so. No To. That is that David Morse Holy Shit that's David Morse Charles. Bronson Dennis Hopper Holy. Shit. Erected Producing Sean Penn wrote and directed. A Vietnam vet comes home to a small town and finds himself in conflict with the rules that his brother has vowed to uphold. That tells me nothing. How. Did you? Know I think it sucked. A Vietnam vet comes home to a small town in finds herself in a conflict with the rules that his brother has vowed to uphold starring Jay. We. Bat Morita. This is Valerie Lino in the Indian runner. Valerie Galeano. From the Motte shots. And while she was in the first one to. Topping all out of her bellybutton. CHOOSING ESCAPE FROM LA. was in the king's horror. Lighter. Okay, Orion. Interesting. Anyway. I don't think I realized that Vigo was in Carlito's way. And I kinda breathe pass it because of looking at something else. Like video or in convert on but James Rep Horn was in that too. James read born he was in my cousin vinny he was the specialist who knew about tires and tire markings and stuff. Yeah. That's when you know lane. Smith at his. Dental. I. I got the clap on that one. Thank you. I started to look at James Reborn reborn reborn whatever I started looking at him to make my yarn and down to hold it didn't I didn't come back from. When I say this report and I might have thought before but. They call all ski and vanishing TV. In Ninety seven. Hot Anybody. Okay. Still in Vigo. Jason Priestley I vaguely remember it. And I'm on my God. And I vaguely remember in adults bitching about it because it was. started. Good movie contract. Vigo as a lot of interesting shit but he's still not the personnel was following whom I following. Following, Lane Smith because I already talked about Lane Smith and my cousin Vinny I tried to get that out of the way. Pretty quick. So we're going from LANE SMITH TO MY COUSIN VINNY MY cousin vinny wizard I was already there with James Webb, Horn. Red Breed Horn web horn whatever the hell. Wait. Was Vigo was in young guns two. I did not realize that. I'm sorry. Did I tried to go back and then went right back to where I? Damnit. When we get like a good actor out in Arkansas by me don't want to let them go. Link Smith is a good actor, Miguel of in Yes, and that's where I was going, Knicks. So Bruce. McGill was the sheriff that was in my cousin vinny ended up basically helping to crack the case. At the end of spoiler alert my cousin vinny when they find out, he's innocent. Dun Dun Dun. Bar. Stop It. But Bruce McGill is probably most famous for what roll. Back in your. Wait a minute. No that was. The last boy scout. Brought up last action hero earlier. So. It could go too far from it. But he was an animal house. As Day now, we keep talking about him because Adidas A. No? No it wasn't that far back. Look it up Google it. Google Animal House in Nineteen. Seventy eight. And an animal house has everybody in it including Kevin Bacon. Turning in a Kevin Bacon comes back up in my yard which I could have made this yarn. So short I didn't want to. Walk. Exactly, and we've talked about these movies so many times. Just going to come out and say Okay Dorfman kint Dorman. Stephen I. Are, right, and we talk about Steven I allow we bring them up a lot in this podcast. Probably. Probably but. Stephen. I was also. In show just lost it. Oh I guess start all over. McCain another lash lampoon's class reunion which starred Garrett Graham. Exactly Michael Lerner Stephen I whole lot of nobody's and that was it's been ten years since Lizzie Borden High School class of seventy, two graduated and the preppy season hippies and the in crowd has returned reminisce over the good times past. But classmates Walter Baylor has returned to with a vengeance. This was written by John Hughes. Interesting National Lampoon's class reunion. I don't think I've ever heard of this movie i WanNa Watch it now it has the unknown comic at it. You see it on the box he's on the box art. Thing director the director for this is Michael Miller. He directed silent. Rage. He had to of. Anyway. So Chuck Berry is in classroom. have. Glove and Ramsey, yet reunion written by John. Hughes. I didn't have to go here at all I just went down this trail. Of course I'm going to go back to she's having a baby. Angry because I was like. So I could have made this a lot shorter by jumping from animal house. But I just wanted to talk about John Hughes because I didn't know anything about class reunion as well. Son of a bitch I, just click past it. I. Did I did Elizabeth McGovern. She was really cute. She's been in sixty eight things she was in a war of the worlds TV series just recently. I did not no. I have not seen that. She's been in Downton Abbey. Downtown Abbey. Yep. People. Get. That much. Okay. This is why I wanted to talk about she's having a baby. Okay. You've seen it I it was John Hughes movie and it pretty much had to be good because I loved all things John Hughes. Matter kind of like. It's going to be some. You know it's kind of drama. Liking them. Planes, trains automobiles. At the beginning when Steve Martin is trying to get his plane. He has to get to the airport and there's a locking is from across the street with Kevin Bacon and Kevin Bacon stills his taxi. Just kind of a weird connection. Right. This is like the Jay and silent Bob Strike back for freaking John Hughes everybody's in this. She's having a baby also has eighty McClurg in it. A righteous, dude. Ferris Bueller will guess what Allie young is also in she's having a baby. That's where I happened to Potty ebb like Holy Shit. He's a photographer. Digs. Exactly. It has kirstie alley in it Kirstie Alley, Harry Anderson Dan ackroyd is playing Roman from the great outdoors on credited. So were they watching the great outdoors at some point? Exact. That's what I'm saying because Matthew Broderick is credited for Ferris bueller on credited. Was it playing in a movie in the background I don't. Share universe. A law on or something. That's what I'm thinking because now we've got John Candy who is playing Chet from the great outdoors unaccredited in she's having a baby. It. HAS TO BE TV shows because if you look here, you got Kirstie. Alley. Ted Danson and Woody Harrelson. Amy Irving Michael Keaton Magic Johnson Elias Qatargas Penny Marshall Bill Murray. Olivia Newton. John Annie Potts John Ratzenberger. Goes on and on it's like That show where they were just flipping through channels at John during. That, stay tuned. They change like that where they're in it for like three seconds or something it had to be. WILL WHEATON IS UNCREDITWORTHY? Aly sheedy you can connect everybody through cheese having a baby now. Legal. Exactly Warren, fucked, and Zebulon. Being like that also where it was kind of fan, you know he would go into these criminals `this where like full on like musical numbers would happen. Yeah, you're right. Now I WANNA go back. To see this, just to catch everybody Belinda Carlisle is in. It's just it's nuts and that's why I wanted to bring this movie up. This is why I made my yarn go all the way around just like go back to she's having a baby. Get performance. From. It's insane. Well I feel like, yeah I feel like you could go from John Hewson get pretty much anywhere around the decade. So she's having a baby also has whereas she wears you were as she made the connection she's bet she better be here. Joanna Kerns. Just want to mention here too. Young Jake is played by Neil Bacon. No it's actually his nephew I. Just looked it up. That'd be hilarious if he said now they're unrelated. So. Here's your Co Star James Sausage. Protein. That's good. So somewhere in here is Joanna Kerns. Writing okay. Yeah a little bit. So Joanna Kerns, we know our most from growing pains. Because that show was unbelievably on TV like. Especially when we were getting out of school. So. It was. Allen fix shirt on. But Joanna Kerns she was in I mean she goes way back she was in Rhoda. She was an emergency she was Charlie's angels love boat. Quincy. Chips Laverne and Shirley Magnum Pi v the mini series. She was in three's company as two different characters in three's company. Yet. Different Side. So Click on this real quick nineteen, seventy-six Joanna Kerns within the movie called APE Lot like Schlaug or something, but it's Kinda like it. A newly discovered thirty six foot Rila escapes from a freighter off of the Coast Korea's sound familiar maybe at the same time in American actresses filming a movie in the country familiar maybe chaos ensues as the ape kidnaps her and rampages through Seoul. Korea. Rampage we mean the guy. That's like stepping on all the just like Godzilla. Look at the first picture being. I've never seen anything like that before he's choking a shark and an and the Khanda while jumping off of his ship yet. Doing not to be confused with King. Kong says on here on the box art. Look at the first photo of Abe. It's King Kong flipping you off. In what appears to be a very heavy and cost them in a ravine in California. Yes. Hilarious thing life for Shatin rumor going captain fought. Exactly. Picture from. So. If you scroll on up, Joanna Kerns was in an episode of Hunter I'm sorry we were we just talking about that. Everything so connected. But here is a TV movie, Nineteen, Ninety, five, the rape of Richard Beck. No or not but this is Richard Kranina plays. Richard bed. So we get to watch a movie with him getting raped. Seattle veteran cop Richard Beck becomes a sexual assault victim and must deal with the painful aftermath. I'm not laughing at rape I'm laughing at the fact I never wanted to see Richard Krenek getting ready. I never want to see Richard Kranish show a judge like. Sean at all or something. So this movie also stars Meredith Baxter from family ties has Joanna Kerns and Meredith Baxter in it. Just like that, they could have. Not. Seen, the movie don't want to see the movie. About I thought we were GonNA talk about the relationship. To you know. I just wanted to pair them up together and they're right here in one movie. and. If you look a little further down is Nicholas worth you didn't WanNa talk about him before make any talk about him now. It could have gone so much shorter. About. Doing Nicholas Did, you. Looking. He is so beef so much face. He has been around for so long. SWAMP THING I merely know his first movie was for Pete's sake but a second movie was scream blacula scream. Like. That'd be. Nineteen, seventy, three. CARE, Cincinnati? That is correct. Sir. I had anxiety. I'm not done yet. Don't answer the phone though. That don't answer the foam. I wanted to go through all these movies I really do. We should just do babysitter murder movies. Oh, here's Nicholas worth with a big dumbbell holding up to his forehead and he's shirtless. and. Now, you can cross that went off your bucket list. Wow. Don't answer the phone a deeply disturbed Vietnam veteran terrorizes the young women, of Los, Angeles and taunts a radio psychologist with descriptions of his grisly crimes. I much. Yes. He's been a ton of Shit. Oh my God. All the way back to tens being hell comes to frog down. Yes. Even. Though. He was in Dan Turner Hollywood detective, which was also called the Red Raven kiss off. And I've seen this box forever we had this at the video store which stars Marc Singer. A. GOING TO UNCOVER A. Conspiracy. Theorist everything. Everything. Nicholas was in night court. Best to the best to. I mean on and on barb wire remember from dark man when he riches face that's it. Yeah. I remember that total wrong turn with Nicholas Worth there's a movie called the glove. Okay, a scene, this box art in this box it's on IMDB is not the one I remember. But if you scroll down and look at the pictures, you'll see the on the photos you'll remember this movie now. And it's a bounty. Hunter has offered twenty thousand dollars off the record for the capture of a very large man who don's body armor and still plated gauntlet for his regular beatings of some unfortunate individuals. On the cover of Tagline for that? No no, that's the that's. No. But I just remembered this glove and it has John Saxon in it. Doesn't around the fair back. Real Quick I. got real wrapped up and I feel like I'm having to physically I understand couple of these. Tabs. At the same time. Turn to welcome back Carter. He. Killed in the glove. On awesome. 'cause I'm not finding the glove is way down here nineteen, seventy nine. Right after W., p.. Yeah. Chuck. That box that they show an IMDB is not the one we saw at the video store. On. Joanna Cassidy the glove kind of looks like it could have been an Italian movie. Directed by Ross Hagen and anybody who's lost in knows that he's the guy from side hackers. Awesome. Obama's rows of the mood. Have you moved on my going somewhere else 'cause I'm happy just to say at the Glove We, got to come back to all of these movies. The Globe. Keenan Wynn Michael Pataki, all these people have been stupid stupid pagan. Nicholas Worth was in a movie called Star. Force. And the year two thousand. Three. Have you. Don't tell me. We were all over this because. No it has vernon wells in it. Who Love me some Vernon. Okay. Yeah. I know what you're talking about. I see I wanted to do maybe a deep dive vernon wells a May come back up, he may come back up. But burning wells probably most notably weird science. interstates right inner space. Besides, the obvious Mad Max to right the road warrior. Exactly and commando, he played Bennett which he really looked. So out of shape go into begins Arnold Schwarzenegger. I think somebody posted a screen shot of Vernon, wells and commando. We thought he had chain Mel on but if you zoomed in, it looks like it's crochet. NANNA sweater. Yeah Yeah. Don. Caller. Check this out though Vernon wells has a hundred ninety eight credits. It has to be their shit that has been completed. There's like twenty things completed that haven't been released yet. Host gloves are we? Kinda. Yeah, you can close the glove. Dan. Is. Yes. Jack. Love me some Dan de but vernon wells and weird science as the head biker or Lord General? I. Think he's listed as here. I didn't know either. Michael, Berryman? Oh I'm sorry from hills is we were just talking about that Bill Paxton which comes up everything we talk about anyway. We should keep talking about him started his face on the cover circuitry. Makes me fucking laugh every time I see ya circuitry man you know on the front. Tower. Trying to. Before. John. Her. Says actress. I was just looking at Judy Aaronson, who was one of the girls and weird science. She was. She was in Friday the thirteenth, the final chapter. Did you. Yeah. Yeah Very I movie she was in the powers, of Matthew, Star and Simon and Simon before that. I. Even looking at the first place because of Matthew Start, world. Powers. Happiest. Called starring in it. But Judy was also in an episode of growing pains I. Mean It's it's so this is so deep. To. You're talking about well, no this was a sidebar from Nicholas. Worth. WAS IN STAR FORCE WITH VERNON? Wells. Vernon wells was in weird science weird science had bill Paxton, of course. Bill Paxton was in stripes. We've talked about this before all right Dennis Quaid was an extra in graduation ceremony I. Think we brought this up before and Stripes Donald Gabe. was a bouncer in the mud wrestling bar. On credited. Ogre No sorry. This is a sidebar Donald Gibb was in the weird science TV show. Every brought this up before. Recently. You've recently looked at it. Why? Because Brian Thompson was in an episode. Like I saw that earlier are Mike Holy Shit. I'm going there you're going. Things are moving to. And we should just like you understand why I was exhausted after going through all of this. So. Let's get down to it. Let me go ahead and finish this back it up to Nicholas Worth Nicholas worth was in dark man. All right. We need to talk about dark man I. Feel like we've talked about it before dark man's well-known. A lot of fun who is the bad guy in that? Because I've totally mind fucked you. Pearl My Joey. No. Larry Drake. Played Durant. that. Okay. Right and Larry Drake was in next week's movie. That I could have made in one move dark night of the scarecrow starring. Lanes. The unknown comic. And Steven I. Who brought before the we really ought to do like like a fantasy fantasy football but I. Know. How would be like school? If we can reach these actors these. We get so many points. Very interesting. Dark night of the scarecrow reads in a small southern town. A wrongfully killed man exacts revenge on those who murdered him. From beyond the grave. one-sentence say could use some more punctuation I think. Gra wrongful killed man that exacts revenge on those who murdered him from beyond the grave. Needs another common there I think because. They murdered him from beyond the grave. And Just A. Starring Charles Darning love me some Charles Turning. We'll be talking about him in depth next week. I'm positive. Now. He's dead. Claude, Earl Jones. We brought him up recently. This guy was born in Tulsa Oklahoma Nineteen thirty-three Earl Jones known for brighter the animator police story not James Earl Jones. Movie I just wanted to make that clear. Okay Cooking sleep away camp. Bring that that that where it is that where we just talked about him okay I knew it was something just recently. So Lane Smith Tonya Crowe plays the little girl merely Williams. Ivan now he's just kind of in that. You know long tradition of the. Walsh. was. This a TV movie. Yes, it was a TV movie. But I think this is a notable film I. Love this movie obscene it. Times. Only. Slightly older than, I am. Made up all the difference. I don't really remember I mean I remember especially like Fox. Or whatever showing like. Sunday, afternoon you use or maybe. I don't think it works. But I did watch these I almost don't want to stay the name of a movie because it's on my list but now I'm GONNA save it. Okay save it. Says, hedy movies just because they're on TV back in the day didn't make them any less. Right they might have been you know. I mean they could show some stuff you know. You don't remember this movie. How much you liked it. Okay. But you don't remember watching it as a kid. Her. Maybe so I you know I don't remember. Can Rent it On Radio Yeah I'm I'm sure that I did. Deal for what I wanted to be. Okay. But I think there were some very horrific scenes in this movie that stuck with me for for years and it's always been. You know in my there is a scene in the movie near the end and I'll share this with when we're watching it that always gave me chills. And I don't know why. Darkness scarecrows on Youtube. It looks like it's on to be. It looks like there's a the one on to be is. A hundred and thirty an hour at thirty six. The one on Youtube is an hour and thirty one. But I did read and some of the Trivia. That there was a an alternate version which there's a two second insert I. Don't think that two seconds is going to really. And I know that the scene that saying here. Gross. Now not even. IS A. Looking. Looking. Quite Dr Evil a little bit but that's Okay. Poking Oval. Egg is perfectly shape but I wonder if. It's just coincidence that Larry's from Tulsa Oklahoma and so as collateral Jones. The Hollywood together do. They were roommates. Combined trying out with the same thing. Big. You again, white white. One. All right. So I know this was a very lengthy aren wall and that's because it was too easy. I wanted to make it a little longer. I, didn't mean to go as far as I did. What? I. mean. There were still more that I could talk about because. It when weird? It went very weird for me too I kinda got a little sideway. But we've got. I feel like we're on ground in the middle of that left on this podcast. I was like out at sea. To. Kadar wind yet. You knew we were going to watch this movie at one point. You knew from last week when we saw lane Smith's. Opportunity. Maybe. We were going to get here so. All right it's going to be fun. Probably so How do you have any else to add for a prison? Do you remember only watch prison knows seems like so long ago. Finally. Wanted to see what he made out of themselves made out of them so. Oh I like that movie all right. You can watch it on prime video as well. It says Deluxe Collector's edition. Actually. It says two, thousand, twelve hours right anything else you wouldn't offer. Me S. WE HAVE I'm exhausted. Yep Time to turn the air conditioner back on. All right. All right. Signing off. Be. You've been listening to the Yarn Wall an MT Cornfield production. Tune in next week for the nineteen eighty-one classic. TV, horror flick dark night of the scarecrow. 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That's Not a Knife

Optimism Vaccine

1:23:18 hr | 6 months ago

That's Not a Knife

"Hey welcome back the opposite vaccine. I'm steve join me this week. Got atom morose. We got jay taylor and we got jackie gleason and i don't know man i'm exhausted. I've i've been dick deep in snow for the past two hours trying to dig my car out and also. I thought this was going to be an easy week. You know because we got. We got a request from one of our listeners. And they were like hey why. Don't you do crocodile dundee. I brought it up to you guys. And i was like you know. Somebody wants to crocodile dundee series and we all thought well. That's okay sure. I like crocodile dundee. When i was a kid. How bad can it be. And i think i owe you guys a formal apology crickets crickets. We're a little thrown. Because because you you just introduced all of us at once so people may not know who we are as we speak. And i'm jay kapila. Great the catchphrase. Steve were you outside. And you were saying to yourself. That's not a shovel. This this year is a shovel. Let's here's a shovel. Yeah i actually. We have like five shovels in our garage and none of them work particularly well so i just kind of rotate through them and each one pains me in a different way. So it's been really enjoyable weekend. I'd say so far. But yeah goddamn man like i'm starting to question all of my taste as an eight year old. Is it possible that. I didn't enjoy good things as a small child. I didn't even enjoy crocodile dundee to as a child personal. I thought it was boring. Even then which is saying something pretty much every movie you watch at that age is is gray checks but crack to always a bad movie always bad movie. I don't know i guess. Let's let's start at the beginning so we watch crocodile dundee paramount pictures presenting all get on. My man was up as crocodile. The dish got a night. I'm not gonna let them finish the line not going to happen now. Going to give them that dignity. Yeah that's that's how. I feel about mr paul hogan this movie really fucked me up for a lot of reasons. I think when you're a kid you kind of think that everybody is just old like there's kids and then there's old people and you really not able to easily parse out the differences here. But i think it's important before we talk about any of the crocodile dundee movies to point out that this came out in like nineteen eighty-six. Six paul hogan was in his mid to late forties when this movie came out. He's like a legitimate guy or like he absolutely does. And you know you're you're watching these movies and you're like damn he looks like shit and the female lead who has chemistry with like well. I mean she's probably maybe she's like in her late thirties and she's just looks good for no no no. She's like late twenties twenty-seven he's like forty seven and he looks like a just a weathered handbag or like grandpa's wallet like he. Just has these indentations and is it. Because he's he's an older guy like he looks every day of forty-seven okay and that's fine because it's not like he's a big hollywood star but you're like oh wow jesus man like you're you're no spring chicken. He was a blue collar worker before he was an actor too. I think yeah. It's definitely like out in the sunshine. Like he's been living his life his skin shows he does all he needs like a bulging red nose and from rose a-share. Whatever and he'd be like my uncle or something. I don't know but he like yeah. He worked as a construction worker and then he. He's basically like the australian. Larry the cable guy for a while so throughout the nineteen seventies and into the one thousand nine hundred eighty s. He's got like the carol burnett show. But hey it's me. Paul hogan australian man and he does that stick and then he sort of takes off because in the nineteen eighties culturally. I think americans were starting to discover that like ooh. There's exotic things like. I had chinese food for the first time. Can you believe it like all. This exotic shit starts to come into the suburbs and for some reason that includes australia. And i'm not sure why but americans. They have this weird fascination with australia. And paul hogan is doing the australia tourism board commercials at the time and so that kind of leads to him. Writing the crocodile dundee script which leads to crocodile dundee getting made and becoming a giant cultural phenomenon that grows three hundred million dollars and got nominated for an oscar for best. The oscar nominated script believe i. It's shocking shocking. That paul hogan lost for crocodile dundee. I ended up going to hand sisters which you know and lost to my beautiful lord et platoon salvador and hannah and her sisters those the other nominees and somehow crocodile dundee lost unbelievable unbelievable. But yeah and here. We are cultural phenomenon. Three hundred million worldwide. And i figured at the very least maybe the script would feel like i thought this would just be kind of dated fun and watchable but it barely hits those notes completely just overwhelmed by how much i didn't enjoy this. I don't know jack i need. I need the european perspective was crocodile dundee thing in ireland. Oh it definitely wants. Yeah just sort of strange. That like The exoticism of australia's australia. If we're really exotic. I don't know why that would be case but yeah no i'm cockle dundee and two were big. I remember seeing on tv. Plenty times of the kid I remember join them all. They seem like a lot of great fun. Boy you don't ask what she's like. Why the wrinkly man is with the much younger woman lady Which eight I was sad. Learn i mean are poor. Worn out in research. This podcast foundered. They divorced in like twenty thirty or so. They're they're married can you ask. Is there any chemistry between the two of them in the movie at all like. I thought it was hilarious. It might just be toboggans. Terrible acting ec signing the jerry seinfield factor is like the worst on screen at every at all turns and we got this unique gift in these movies where this first film is. Presumably he'd be the most raw performer. But it's easily the only time he seems remotely engaged with discrete like east. There are times where his physicality somewhat compelling in this film and going forward there are zero times whereas ever even remotely compelling. It's yeah and he does. He has this thing where he's not a great actor especially early on here like crack crock to but he has not even screen presence. There's something just naturally likable about his laid back personality but at the same time there's this conflict because like you said not the best actor in the world not great movies that he's acting in. So what are you really left with. Not a lot. Sorry paul i tried. I really tried loved you when i was eight. I can't deal with you shit. These days concept is really infusing. Because it's like he's an australian outback man. But it's the constantly reset. How much cultural awareness. He has depending on whatever joe. They're trying to hammer home at a given time. So he's like understand you know restaurants. He doesn't understand toilets. He doesn't understand limousines or whatever event at another point he kind like goes like. Oh yeah it's just like the movie jaws so he is seen joel's but he doesn't unsettling new york. He doesn't understand anything else at the whole character is looking out. it's we're he'll fade very offshore materials. Spread out over an aging offered minutes sequence even longer than that. The first sequel soon problem here as well. There are a couple very strangely structured film because the the first half is like out of africa shit or something. Like it's sort of grand hollywood romance of like this city girl going into the beautiful countryside hauling in love this awakening and then it immediately pivots the fish out of water thing with again very very sort of learning the cable guy esque antics and it is jarring and there are times where you can really see why this is a crowd pleaser. But it's hard to ignore the structural problems because there's no conflict in this movie at all like i kept waiting for it to emerge hinted at early in the film that paul hogan is actually a poacher. And he's killing these crocodiles since like a boy this is gonna come back. It's going to be a source of strife in their relationships. No no gone never mentioned again over. The course of three doesn't like it's really obvious to that. It should be because they're like. Oh killing the crocodile post the crocodiles dials. Wink wink. y'all okay that's good to know you're right just never never again. To the point where in the sequel officials have to turn him into a crimefighter for bulk confused. I mean i don't know why that was a direction. They chose yeah. Is it something what is in this movie. Nothing he's a media sensation for. God knows why i'm like. What is this likely. he's nuts. The fact that okay. So correct me. If i'm wrong here. This woman is. She's a journalist. Said i guess should be like the new york times or something and she is paid to go to the middle of nowhere australia because she heard about a guy who fought a crocodile. Yes and they pay for her to go down there stay there. And then when she decides that there's even more of a story here she brings paul hogan crocodile dundee. She brings him back to new york where we have a nice little fish out of water. Like whoa it's so wacky that he's here. And they put him up. In like the ritz carlton his definite amount of time and then she just writes a weekly column about the wacky australia man and that pays the bills like i get. The journalism used to be a little different but mind. They're also paying his business partner. They're floating the business was way as well. Yup that's true. That's a different era. I this whole thing made no sense to me. Because i'm like wow. This is not like a newspaper story that would air. It would be like back. Page human interest bullshit. One one day and that it would be gone forever. But i guess it clears up in that. The reporter ends up being the daughter of the magnate. Who owns the newspapers something. Oh it's just complete nepotism bullshit so she'd be like jeff bezos daughter. Or something like that. Which i guess so learned just doing a little background research on this on his I think it's a good summation of the series. If you go to. The we competed page. Paul hogan look the early life section. It just reads at the start of his career. Paul hogan claimed he was born in lightning ridge. New south wales to appear more interested. He was actually born in sydney born a forty year. Old man on the benjamin button motherfucker. Summation of the old thing is like know sydney. I believe australia's most populous city. And it's this guy who invented this character outback guy who just does his own thing. And it's like his entire career teaches founded on this kind of stupid idea of a guy who does not know anything about the outback. Who has kind of you know. Just created this character to carry through and it's really what struck me about this movie and there's plenty weird things in 'em he goes to new york is like a to be lured by the wealth. Is his girlfriend. Whatever its promise nepotism effectively. She's got a rich suitor. Who's an asshole ogan. Just routinely use physically assaults boy. That's not really cool. And it's all the wealth of the biggies like single at the waldorf story or whatever this class dynamic where he's like a man of the people so he doesn't hang out with the rich people he's very awkward. Mb hangs out with like lack people and he gets on really well with them. Because you know he's like us this a cool laid back guy but he also can talk to animals and they're really awkward through this. He's like a guy who's hung out with aborigines in australia and cultivate. These kind of communications. The already can learn. He kind of leaves with nature nature simply become so. How like aborigines in australia. And the working class in america in a very discomfiting kind of gathering like he can talk to both like the bee's and black people crocodile dundee is like he's like the guy that that he you know he he drops the n. Word and then people are like whoa man. He's like no it's okay. I have black friends. And they said i could say it's totally cool like works pretty much when we get down the line to film whore. That's pretty much where ask it's really all we kind of vision of. It's all predicated on a lie because is clear to just some city white guy who you know working class. Sure but like he was never. He has no on relationship with the apparition. People the jobs but the aborigines in all of these things. These are facing actually far more assimilated into white culture than they let on under joan lead onto white people. Leave them alone. It's very funny. But they all have like cell phones and they don't know what else that you passed out arts pretty sure you know. It's a running running joke. It's really ham-fisted thing. It hasn't aged. Well there's lots of elements of this that haven't angel but it. It does kind of laziness to the comedy here and also just underlying kind of cruelty or Cruelty kind of complete lack of self awareness on pogo arctic. While he's minding his comedy from his. You know he's kind of link piggybacking on aboriginal black culture to create this kind of laid back who will white guy character and it is tiny shitty and it's not even you know it's not even funny at the end of it all you might forgive more of it if it was actually really getting some notes but this is really like. This is pretty much watching this. I'm kind of imagine if all organs. Tv work was very much in line with like this sketch shows. I grew up watching the fast show. Harry enfield and friends and stuff like that. We'll just like catch phrases in exactly the thing happening every single week. And it's like funny because you know what's going to happen and a can't imagine is comedy is much more nuance considering. What maple brought him to feature film which theoretically should bring out the best in a really awkward film and this isn't even bring up the fact that s to go out of his way at all times to basically remind everyone that did people make any credibly uncomfortable just like if everything else didn't age well just throws down in as well. Yeah there's a joke and then there's a callback to the joke so there's like this. It's like the big gag throughout crocodile. Dundee is he's in a bar and he's talking to a woman and then one of his his friends like joe crack man. That's that's not a lady and he goes all by any grabs like just grabs the crucial region there and shelagh him. Yeah and then everybody in the bar goes ha. The women's humiliated runs out of the bar. Is like a genuine horrific you she. She's mortified and grab zoeller shit and just the whole bar erupts in laughter dated she for him. The cherry just fucking like pulled loss child out of a well like he just did the greatest human history there. Just yes we love you crocodile man. You did it. it's crazy and then so then later down the line he has to go to some hoity toity party and he encounters a another woman but this time he's he's wise to the game and i thought it i like because you kind of the show like the back of her and they're like oh i bet it's gonna be the same woman and he's gonna have to have like a reckoning here with what he did earlier like no. It's a totally different. One does the same thing. I grabbed the crotch. And then his his His journalist girlfriend lady was just like. Oh it's okay. He's australian australians. Are the humor. Here is at no buddy in. New york has ever seen or heard of an australian before and the australian man has never experienced the city. What do you got a recipe for comedy. Yup oil and water weeds. Denise slaps whole section of the film that they sold this on this fucking outback man in new york thing. But it's easily the less successful of the two halves of the film like when it's in australia. The photography is better. It's it's fine to look at and it's working all right for me and then we get to new york and this would be a fine sort of kota on the hill. We might have a brief thing where she leaves this other guy and we get that nice sappy and where. He's like crowd surfing his way across the subway. Or whatever fine you can have two or three good jokes that you keep your your iconic knife seen obviously and we go home the things cooled ninety minutes go but instead it just recycles the same variety scenes over and over again he goes to the bar like five fuck at times he goes to a hoity toity party like five fuck times it's like enough. We understand the underlying underlying humor. I guess at this whole thing is essentially that it's like a very kind of blue collar masculinity on separate crocodile dundee might be clueless about cultural differences. But he's you know he's kind of self contained survival unison so he'll be fine and he's very common sense like east survives in nature's music all the basic real steals a real man possesses cities urges full of ridiculous people. Cities are full of just ridiculous. People some of whom are gay at antennas like none of them have any practical skills whatsoever and he just kind of wander through there and teaches them a lesson or them. Just be an incredibly self sufficient guy who also find like on. Its isn't great socializing like he. He just hits people at a moment's notice he's carrying a weapon around Terrible things to minority communities. But it's all he's like a really great. He's a great bloke. I need a running tally. We're starting ruddick tally. Here of how many times. Paul hogan foils an attempted mugging slash assault in in a city. In these films. It's fucking absurd. As opposed to perpetrating. The assaults cell. I am to muggings and an assault in this one is the pimps that go after him there can the her snatcher and there is the. That's not a knife. Well then he's he's even then because he sexually assaults two women and then punches a guy in the face so he breaks he could be a menace. I just taking albert. This is city life every fucking three feet. You walk someone's like mugging eighties baby. I look the call. This guy who's like a man's man in roque outback. Australia's never heard of prostitution as if that isn't exactly the kind of thing that's going to be probably belief socially necessary in the outback just to keep like along with alcohol just to keep any sort of order on these things. It's funny watching this in light of lake. Australian movies like particularly waking fries and just movies it kind of like focus on the australian outback but on basically being kind of a desolate social socially to cage space. anders authors kangaroo. Hunting seen here is almost like a counter to waken frogs. Which is a great movie if anyone as a as but has like this absolutely horrific kangaroo hunting scene aunts real life kangaroo on the actually weirdly within the film the australian like it's so bad that the australian society for the prevention of cruelty to animals asks them to leave in as much of the crocodile hunting season record as possible just to show everyone how bad it was it. Australians were going getting hammered drunk and just blowing the shit out of kangaroos like for phone and it was just a massacre on. Its you know terrible and in this movie has kind of the same thing. A couple of drunken. Australians show off shooting kangaroos and crocodile dundee sheets them instead harmlessly sheets. They're gone shoots the searchlight stairs when they all driveway. Any like disguises. A kangaroo or something order redressing the balance so it's like this each like the. The whole project is to kind of redirects. The australia that probably came through in the new australian cinema the seventies. Which way can i would have been one of those films along with like ethnic anger. Rock and mad max particularly than all kinds of portrayed stralia is kind of barren and slightly dangerous or extremely dangerous and this is kinda like it is. It's dangerous but it's fine we end ourselves and it's and it's great and you'll be you know we have a good time. It's it's a really weird thing is a whole film just feels like an advertising campaign to really like it really does feel like a tourist for thing amount. Of course it's out into that yeah. I prefer his work in the outback. Subaru outback commercials. Outback steakhouse commercials. I think that's where he peaks artistically also flipper the movie from the mid ninety s honestly old dna outback steakhouse. Advert are effectively. The same thing. Not much of a difference now mike. I got one question before. We move onto the wonderful crocodile. dundee sequel fun fact for the listeners. This might be. The high point of today's podcast will see in terms of quality. Jake would you rather watch the one thousand nine hundred. Ninety seven live action disney comedy slash tim allen star vehicle jungle two jungle or. Would you rather watch crocodile dundee. God i didn't watch jungle the jungle for this. I'd also mentioned we didn't watch Hundred collision course with him called. But i mean. Honestly i would. I would just tim allen is too so talk sic i would just take a crocodile dundee. Even though it's probably the more problematic film to to be fair stif paul hogan say what we like about in so far as we know. He's not focusing. Yeah that's that's that's true. You didn't try to tim out but drug dealers out airport with cameras everywhere. I don't. I don't hate this. Not definitely would choose it over some fucking kiddie. Is this juggles the same movie. Like what's what's the difference here. So that china now brings in the shy giant krak three where we many crocodile like fucking gave a kid off the god any of the dundee sequels steve. I might give pause and give to mountain. But if it's sunday proper. I'm going with that nine times. I mean the calling. All you could say about crocodile. I do think is too high for high points in series. I think it is a bad movie but it seems to move along reasonably well. If it doesn't it's easy it's very easy to watch. I the kind of thing i would say is i get it. I get why this was a hit. I get that it was like. I can feel the crowd pleasing energy in portions of this film. It's it's incredibly problematic today. But i don't think it read that way. Nineteen not no not at all. Listen one more hard sell on jungle jungle. This is actually more you guys ready for my big fan theory. People love this. We can put this on film film. School rejects dot com ready. Somebody somebody start transcribing this and we'll see if we get an article out of it. So here's my theory leelee sobieski. This is her her. I think it's like her role as junky jungle. And she's like the daughter of i think like someone may be timmel's trying to bone or something but anyways the tim allen son. Mimi sikhiu the fucking kid crocodile. Dundee child equivalent. He falls in love with this girl and they're like like just like child spooning in a hammock or something and like they're about to kiss and then i don't know like martin short who's who's leelee sobieski dad sees this happening and then sensor off to summer camp or something like that like just off. You can't be around him by you're gonna do sex stuff with the indian boy who's played by white kid and so anyways what i'm trying to get to is is jungle two jungle a prequel to eyes wide shut which i think is probably the next movie that louis sobieski did. I find that hard to believe apart. What juggle juggle juggle came out and ninety seven eyes wide. Shut ninety nine clearly a through line here where you know. She's she's just trying to embrace. Your sexuality is where i come out with my. You might terrible Admission admission that. Actually i have never seen is what but i have seen the orgy scene on three separate occasions in three different people's houses passing through prior to is why we have deep impact and we have never been kissed. Okay and you don't think any of these exists in the same cinematic universe. You think they're all different movies. Generally that is the case. The yes yes okay. I'm just throwing it out if you could save us from going on a crocodile dundee to we. Yeah up. I just. I just need to hear that. I'm not going to get like a check for fifteen dollars from from. Film school rejects. Is that what you guys are telling here. No i think they'd still publish this. Okay that's good all right. Good right up doing it okay. Let's move on. Hey did you know after crocodile dundee. They did another movie and it was called crocodile dundee too. It's great. The world's favourite adventure is. You won't miss you. That's all i took from this trailer. It's the whole move in some moving on. Yeah so yeah. It's the same thing but infinitely worse old than you did before. Now he knows everyone a new york and everyone knows him when he does things like. Oh isn't it funny. When the crocodile man throws dynamite the harbor in new york and then the cop shop zoo cranky baby. It's fine door. Eerie is broken. All dundee to better illustrates the concept of white privilege. End the safdie brothers. I thought you were gonna say crocodile. Dundee did nine eleven. How do we know he didn't. They saw him. They would just kinda put their hands on the hips. Oh mic has still have evolved into like a superman who can get away with anything like illegally fishing in the east river or wherever he is in the beginning and they say oh it's just mic aegis ease avenue laugh everybody carry on. It's just the one australian in new york city just setting off explosives limits. That's fine well. If he's superman we all know what his kryptonite is right the gays. Here's afraid of the gays. Which is reinforced in this movie. But okay so. We know that we know that crocodile dundee he was in la at the time but Do we know that. He didn't do the world trade center bombing of nineteen ninety-three. I don't do what he did it by accident through just a series of delightful misunderstandings. Yeah just a little old australia. Oopsy do think kinetically he was. He was in the outback at the time so so crooked on the to. What was this eighty nine. This thereabouts. Eighty eight eighty like this is to me right at someone. Didn't grow up in america. My memory i grew up on just like the tail end of the eighties to the early nineties is really works or my original impressions like movies. As i started watching remember horror films on the main thing that just american media absolutely heart gone throughout this period is just basically that south americans are all vicious slithering coke atl fruits. And i think it's really impressive. Is that like crocodile dundee to get in on this. This is a ten pull of the entire concept of this film is effectively. That don't get wrapped up in the drug or and i just i cannot understand the page meeting. That occurred to dumb happy-go-lucky idiot. Australian man into an arm of america's drug war against south america. It's yeah so estimating artifact it's this terrible movie it introduces the colombian drug cartel like core shit very early on and it leads to a kidnapping then takes us into after thirty minutes of just fucking around it leads us to like twenty minutes of action rescue sequence and then and then the movie basically comes to its logical conclusion. Like we've completed our story our care and then you look and you're like so i've been fifty seven minutes and wouldn't you know crocodile dundee to two hours long and the last fifty one minutes is they have to go into witness protection and go and go so they go back to walkabout creek australia. Which i think is kind of antithetical to the whole thing. Because you see you're not supposed to go to enter witness protection declines it. He's like better job. Michelle obama joel. So they want to go on their home turf to act as a level playing field against the drug dealers so he just which is pretty insulting. These guys have been letting him away with as said detonating explosives every other day in shit like this and then suddenly as soon as police like we need to help you is like screw it. I'll just leave like yeah. That's not yeah not good so but but then the last hour so the movie rambo first blood right like he's just out in the wilderness setting traps for the colombian drug cartel the showed up at his backyard. And they're just running through the bush and he's like oh look. This guy got caught in a trap. And he's dragged by a bowl and all this other shit. I'm really going to admit okay. Makes to really strong margarita before starting this movie and by the twenty minute mark will get into slu way. The kinda sobered up towards the last half hour. So why the hell do these vicious drug lords bother following him to australia. I know that some photographs taken about a guy getting murdered but like the all already know he. Suspicious drove more. That seems to be clear. So would need you. Stay in south america and just v. drug lord. Okay so i hear a he. He doesn't seem to be living itself. He seems to have like a fucking like cartel compound in new york city for some reason list right. i would. that's where the drug cartels hang out right. Yeah that that makes sense. So if you're gonna make a globe-trotting movie why did we set this. Like fucking some like miami or something that might make sense where there would be some cartel. Cut out a new york city but okay nonetheless. The reason is more personal i believe. I don't think that. I don't think that dundee and wife are necessarily like witnesses in a trial which is again. I don't know why they'd be offered witness protection because the evidence has been has done. They're not really involved. In the case. I think the cartels pursuing them as a matter of pride as dundee had embarrassed the the head of the cartel essentially. That doesn't really. I mean sure but that sounds like bullshit on. It's a really bad movie and particularly that the head of the drug cartel would like pick up to go on an handout to australia. Also if he's the he's on watch lists please able to fly to australia just like hang out there like he's the whole thing. Make enormous medicines have remixed perfect sets. You probably didn't. He probably showed him. Wilson airplane on they. Just let him on you wacky ass ago. Usually ride dingoes. Now i'm riding the subway okay. So this this movie. It's got at least it's got character. Developments got character arc so the beginning of the movie. There's a guy that's about to commit suicide. So crocodile dundee goes out to help him and the i Cut off handedly admits that he's gay and had been in a break-up that drove him to want to jump off a building and when he when he says that he's gay Crocodile dundee so shocked at almost falls off the building and by the end through through his growth and development. he's able to defeat and entire drug cartels singlehandedly. Right i guess to suicide sequence is terrible because it's almost like a kind of a funny little set Seen almost kind of warm artists wanders. He's very laid back. And he's talking to go off the ledge and then he nearly falls off the building. 'cause he learns guy is of all things gay and again it just goes back to this vision that you know that he's just a very regular down to earth guy and then everyone else in the city particularly just gay people are like ridiculous an of speaks i guess to like you. We also you know. I've met so many people over the years who were like you know. I'm not homophobic. I think as ceo gay people should just do whatever they liked. is not my business or whatever and it's like this is the absolute kind of panicled in that. It's kind of like you know it. Like i don't have a problem with gay people. They're just freaks that's what they do. Yeah that's exactly it just like you don't care about the keep it keep it behind closed doors gay stiff why you gotta do in. Which case stuff in front of me you make me feel things. I don't wanna feel like. I guess the pulls it pulls the magic trick of making you. Thank god for this fugger forced nonsense plotline before it kicks in holy shit. It's just some of the worst stuff you got that alleged jumper stuff you got the dynamite fishing mic like a playground and recapping the first film and all of its hilarious. One liners to tiny children for some fucking reason. None of whom is tatyana ali which which was a surprise watching as i know there. No she was in here. This movie has a lot of that and as young. Louis gu's guthman it has on. I was the first film role of stephen root as one of the bumbling cops who crocodile dundee almost cuts the dick off for some reason for any curb. Your enthusiasm fans jeff. Garland's wife susie Ears as a as a civil ariza She's giving new. york tour. Crew is so voice station which is a weird thing to start with and then like a group of japanese tourists who of course take photos of everything but also know martial arts in another exit sequence that is timeless. Anti racist either. Jesus this movie. Is this movie fucking sucks. It's terrible like nah. That's not even in nineteen eighty eight. I feel like felt kind of days. It's just such a fucking mess. In their whole conceit with the script was oh we're going to we're gonna mir the first one you know we'll flip it now. We'll go back to the outback for the back. And it's like okay. I guess what is all yeah walked boomerang structure. The first is starting australia. You go to new york there. Then you've to start new york in the second one and you bring it home no australia. I figured out a crocodile dundee never uses a boomerang boomerang in any of these jobs is like a hood ornament that johnson. Shucks muggers ending. Though this is what baffles. It does try to go for character development. At least teases it like. Oh yeah mixed gonna learn to depend on the people who care about him except the people who care about him. His old business partner at is not wife. I guess they decided that they need to go help him in the outback. Because the cartels gonna get the guy and it turns out. He would have handled it just fine instead because they decided to help him. They just shot him his his his business partner just shoots in so i don't know what the lesson is supposed to be. It seems like we're on okay. This this tough loners gotta learn what family is and instead no he. He was right all along. He's still the super best and these bumbling people are just holding back. Yeah it's it's. I don't know the the definition of an unnecessary sequel which is funny because you look crocodile dundee and you're like oh man like this could have been a kids cartoon there could have been action figures like i'm not saying there's potential for great art here but there's potential for a lot of stuff that's more palatable than any of this and yet what we get is the worst possible concoction that you could create for a sequel to crocodile done. It's hard to kind of reiterate. Free will maybe haven't seen these or haven't seen this since they were kids like crocodile dundee to. He's surprisingly like really video in that like eighties. Super big the kind of thing. It is difficult to pay attention to. It's difficult to like egypt's tedious. In a way that kind of surprise me. This is worse than kind of your typical. It's not just an unnecessary sequel. That just kind of glee slides buying your like. I won't remember any of that. It's like it makes you work to get through. I think i'd say crop. Only two is the worst of all the twix gust each no for sure for sure. I don't know. I three is is bad in a totally different way. I guess but it's up there certainly with the potential this ad to be a fine on film and the fact that it made it still may two hundred and forty million fucking dollars and it's like you kind of wonder why did a los angeles take so long to get there. I know waited way too long because that thing did not make two hundred and forty billion dollars real hot commodity well. Let's let's let's talk about los angeles crocodile dundee three key cry goes to la deep in the wilderness. Their lives amand living legend. At least most of the time crop air because gobi list. Paul hogan is so old in this. Jake what is this one man. My brain turns to mush mother type. I got to it. What is this is a striking while. The iron is cold. Steve you make two hundred and forty million dollars on a international blockbuster sequel from a hit sleeper film. What are you gonna do. You gonna wait eleven years to may thirteen years to make a sequel. Yeah and that's So we'll we'll do that and then we'll we'll relocate him again. Let's take him to los angeles where he can get into a bunch of crazy shit there although most of the time us either on a movie set or in their fancy hotel room but yeah. That's that's what. I really like about this movie i to say i really like. I just think it's it's incredible. That is just so this is your favorite one conceived No no it's not that we go to the first one also a bad movie like the first one the first two i guess at least understand that they go to new york and they do all all new york stuff. There's time square in the soke way in the world trade center empire state illing a couple things just show up around and they talk about the big apple and yada yada yada this one code los angeles and it's like he feels like they don't know anything about los angeles nothing at all. There's new structure job the evening establishing. Let's go to los angeles. It's like a shot of like the downtown area a couple of skyscrapers and then it's just like a palm tree and then it's just like if Soap division housing. Stay on the show radio jonah. And then after that. It's just like everything in los angeles is artificial Movie set on that. That's angeles that's all it understands is like new conception of which is kind of a phony running joke. Maybe in american media largely is that no one understands fault. Los angeles actually is separate of film. Culture nose jack. I disagree because in my experience of from from spending time in los angeles. It's just a lot of guys in suits talking to me about how they give themselves like colon cleanses with coffee. It's all struggling. They have they have to. I guess they have. The limo driver is actually a wannabe actor and gives him this. You know whatever is his head. Shot and john reciprocates by giving a mature photo in his kids because he has a phone shift them for some reason which i don't even understand that joke works dumpsites. It's fair yeah again for this one many years later it's like he crime again. There's a voter do like about this. Okay so the through line of this film. Essentially the john d wants scratch los angeles and he has a cage now on a basically wanna move from. They started in australia and they go to los angeles because john d. Being a good a good pair and wants his son death the opportunity to all you're going to be like him at basically just raging trans-phobia who bird animals or he could just be at the newspaper publishing magnate gus. His grandfather still owns. Newspaper and nepotism is very real and very fine and it's good thing is any so he decides go to los angeles so he can rural the business. I don't know i mean. Isn't it that sue his. They're still not married by the way in this film even though they've any other for nineteen plus years she gets a business opportunity to work at a los angeles paper because the old person was murdered Which has in the plot later. And that doesn't make in the sun just kinda tag along to go to l. a. in that's there there's a discussion there were were mixed as he's okay going elliott because he wants his son to have to understand those elements. It's it's i mean nothing here is very well developed. But it's kind of like that idea based on its own can absorb american culture and the which one he prefers. Because he's being brought up in australia so basically just hangs out with all of mickey d's drunken friends all day and says stupid shit I didn't checks to given austrailian. I'm don't text ridiculous name. I don't think the surge of course that's not a real of the sydney cocker's yes sony. Would they go to. La and basically jake alludes to those merger and it turns out that there is this. This is the closest thing to fill matched against any kind of like a a an insight or any kind of content. there's basically on covert that. There is a movie studio. That's churning out shitty sequels. No one wants and they're actually a front for stealing paintings and they bay. They disguised their paintings And then they. They burned the products in quotation but directionally they're burning fake paintings of bringing the real paintings swapping them out side. They're covering their tracks. And it's it's nonsensical. But i just do the idea that this film holy lights. The idea of making a sequel. No one wants. And they bring that to the forefront in crocodile dundee movie made in the year of our lord. Two thousand one is just a phenomenal piece of either acknowledging where we are in the world or just shortsightedness on the part of the royal restroom. That they don't really even notice. Yeah they're just like a good thing we're not lethal weapon three That would be shitty worse even want to conceive of this writing group. This is reminding me that we see a key plot limited in two. I've been it's not a key on elba comes to nothing. But all of a sudden they right into the script that the dundee owns like fucking thousands of miles of property in australia and a gold. Goldline yep goldline reaching spirit adam. I mean that's kind of how it works. There's a ton of shit into that is just like the audacity of that script is incredible. There's the other scene where y- okay. He needs to rescue his girlfriend from the drug cartel in the long island mansion. Great so his friend leroy brown who is a drug dealer. He just sell stationery says that he knows some bad dudes punk rock and then rightfully the punk rock. People are like well. This sounds really dangerous. Why should we help you and crocodile dundee basically. Well it'd be cool. It would be cool. Let's go do shit who the crocodile. Man reappoints liked to take america's site in the drug war. That's what is. Yeah that's that's the most punked deposits to back up. Bci and four so he goes from a bushman to suddenly a vast landowner and presumably millionaire owning gold mine. And whatever you do now in this third movie he suddenly live seemingly. The seats are hard scrabble life except his houses gigantic and doesn't understand. What money is we clearly. I really funny. That we learned that he owns a load of land. And it's like again his relationship with the aborigines. It's like oh. This dude owns large chunks of australia. Which famously a land that white people yeah i. I think the first movie had like some ambition toward how it was portraying aborigines and they dress like way more authentically. He has this whole speech. About how no one owns. Land bobble body then in the second one. Is this all cast aside all of a sudden anytime. A average appears in these movies after the first movie. They're wearing like loincloths and yeah. He suddenly owns half a fucking australia for some reason. The third movie though is is so perplexing to be where we start because all of a sudden. He's just a crock. Hunter he like. He's fucking steve irwin or something. That's never been his job. He fucking is also just the world's best croc hunter. Why why did you even fucking watch your own fucking movies for your occas is i. Don't i don't think that he did fairway woods. You no reason. I can't think of a good reason to well. I know we're kind of hard here on crocodile dundee three but strangely roger. Ebert didn't hate it. Not this great quote because i was looking at reviews because how people absorbed crocodile dundee three. Because the first two you know the i was just like who exotic the second one. You're still riding high on the crock fumes. But by the time you get here you'd be like man. Everybody had to hate this but that wasn't the case so ebert said it may not be brilliant. But who would you rather. Your kids took as a romo role model crocodile. Dundee david spade or tom green. It is a melancholy milestone in our society when parents pray please. God let my child grow to admire a crocodile wrestler. But there you have it. I don't know. I mean what gives you better life lessons. The work of crocodile dundee or freddy got fingered. Go freddy got fingered fairy. Crocodile wrestling is the least problematic. Part d racist overflow like just wants around sock and people in the face. He just people whenever they disagreed with and stealing. Gold mines from native noel corker hunters stuff but this is funny too because it plays into the last decade or so of everts life. He had this weird vendetta against freddy. Got fingered like time. He would panic movie star. Tom green that six skateboarding shift. He really mad and to a lesser degree. He hated david. Spade specifically joe dirt. He didn't like which jo dirt is the same thing as crocodile dundee but with a hillbilly redneck facing his honestly. I have seen years. I'm going to go on record in reckon that show dirt better than any of the crocodile. All joe dirt is is like it's basically redneck crocodile dundee with like plot elements directly stolen from like forrest. Gump that's that's pretty much. The whole thing also. Yeah freddy got fingered. Probably a thousand times better than any crocodile. Dundee movie certainly more interesting like if you if you search through and i would encourage anyone listening to go and do this. Just like search for roger ebert s- through his reviews and just search for like mentions of tom. Green freddy got fingered flips. The fuck out all the time just constantly for basically a decade. He's mad at. Tom green which is pretty cool. I don't know my last question and this will before we move out of the fourth movie is jake. You're you're la guy you're or west. Coast correspondent yes. You're how many times have you encountered mike tyson. Doing like a like better in the park man. I had a move. I just kept running into it. Was it was insane. How often he comes on unloved. That i love this joke. Just the way that one age with with joan de saying that i heard a flaw. He seems like a really nice guy. It's like a joke is clearly that he's a boxer but that don't know that but guess what might be. A boxer is also probably the least problematic part about him to it's really wasted. Prestige tv superstar cast here with janice soprano really goes away immediately. Mike the cleaner is doing like the earth's worse like polish accent or something and yeah win duffy from justified also just boring boring. It's the it's the sopranos justified crossover event that we all wanted but never got. We don't deserve it to be honest. It's an still you know my my general summation this is that this movie i. It's less painful to me than to because it's just a little shorter it's ease. It feels a little unpredictable in large part. Because the film doesn't i don't think they really understood what they were doing. Like the la integration really. Just the what's happening so the just feels a little bit more on ted or which. It's not a good movie at all but it just felt a little bit more. Like legitimately have no fucking clue what will happen next. Hate this one. The most because as a small child crock. Junior faulk that get out of here. Be any like interesting aspect of paul hogan's like physicality and the performance. It's long gone here. He's just fucking grandpa roundabout physicality. The only thing he's doing. These days is laying down pipe. Because there's like no less than three or four women who are in their twenties who just want a up with the five year old paul and it's so it's so bad masonry. They literally introduced a new younger crocodile hunter to be his accomplice. Who as far as i recall. It does not appear in any of the previous movies into but as a different character he was one of the bounty hunters with the villains in the second half of two like tied up but yeah i was wondering why they brought him back to play a completely different character and ally no less. Yeah yeah you could tell. A lot of people died to his his business partner. Guy wally six months is yeah right after two and obviously the the woman who runs the bar must have died as well as all of a sudden big dog gets himself a promotion owns the bar. Docket nugget comeback. We love those characters. Yes classic for the nugget and the third reason why i think this is probably objective with the worst is because there's a fucking scene where they just like. What do you know about. La we're making in la movie which we reference traffic right. So there's a huge traffic jam because he and his son spin out on the highway in order to get a skunk off the shoulder of the highway. It's just it goes on and on and on and it's just so fucking painful to watch. I mean sure. I i will accept all that i'm just saying i feel like there's elements in this. That are just more confusing in terms of like the movie. And just how will that integrates and using profligate court. The ended starts during a weird like affects thriller. Where he's starting to us movie props against his enemies will chase him through the back. Lots of los angeles which apparently just a giant studio. It's mobile again in this one hundred twice twice while he gets mugged a bunch of guys who literally in fine. la form do a dry mugging. They just pull the car out of an alley of very conspicuous car and then like hold holy going at a one of the world's laziest movers and i'm just wondering what happens after that. They reverse back into the alley. They're like they're like a trap door spider from australia itself. This show grab their prey and then just moved back in again very stupid and this icon to liked this movie because it's just Better once you get careful my word i kind of. I think it's just less abrasive. Because it's just more notably stupid at all times engines. Confuses me there's points in the movie where i'm like. How did we get here again and you know. I guess it's something that's the best idea. Let's say you know you probably thought wants. Paul hogan hit his sixty s and the crocodile dundee in los angeles. You probably thought well. That's that's the end of the crocodile dundee saga and we will not need to see paul hogan reprise that in any way shape or form ever again and maybe one day the rebooted. But that's a problem for another day and to you. I say unfortunately you're wrong and so we have jake's favorite film of two thousand twenty the excellent mr dundee in the evenings. He was a national treasure. That's rising to international stardom and then he was gone. Yup that's it so fucking wish you go the fuck away man you should. You should just play the curb your enthusiasm music got about it. I think larry david by a lawsuit. This is yeah. This is absolute. It's sad honestly. Because i mentioned before that while paul hogan is not a masterful actor. He's got this like ability to him. It's charisma you're just like oh you know. And now that. He's he's always looked like he was a thousand years old now officially looks like he's a thousand and one he's he's like in his eighty s in this movements brilliance. Now exactly just really old like that. Fragile like someone's going to sneeze and grandpa's gonna turn into a pilot dust. I push it and so when you see him. He's doing all these like larry. David gergen doozy hasim esque things. But the thing is larry. David is an asshole and we laugh. We laugh at them and we left with him. But you know that he's a dick and that's why it's funny. And he always gets his come up and the end and here. It's like it's just like bumbling wholesome grandpa in curb your enthusiasm asks scenarios where. He's not necessarily to blame for any of the things that happened to him. And it's it's almost two saccharin and good natured. For its own good but does have reginald johnson. So that's something. I'll be has the cameos a great and i. It seems like a labor of love too. Because i mean there's legit people doing cameos in this movie johnny manhattan's like a legit like role in the film and you got the aforementioned reginal johnson and there's just a bunch of anyone with the exception of like gibbs sohn although there's some mel footage but it seems like they just dr france. Yeah that's forty got around but the point is it. Seems like they really cared about this and tried to make it something and it's just it's so cheap and shoddy and doesn't hit the mark and it's almost sad that it's bad like i. What does to be so much better. He nursing home cinema. Like just. it's like a literal. It's the same thing is like those movies. Like judi dench finds her mojo in crocodile. Dundee enters the best exotic marigold hotel hogan hanging. He goes joyriding with john cleese. Yeah she's just a bunch of old people and then i wonder why. Why does this movie exists. Frankly uses made in two thousand eight hundred eighty years old on around eighty to eighty one or does this exist and then again i refer back to wikipedia. I realize at really the almost the longest section of his wikipedia article is called tax problems. Explain everything he didn't pay him. Is that many women. His his protracted legal case against the australian government. I think i think he beats the tax fraud charges. Oh maybe eventually. He like in the australian tax office to the taliban. Yeah so so. The whole premise. Of this is a paul hogan is gonna get knighted or something and also. There's a movie studio. That wants to make a crocodile. Dundee like reboot sequel of sorts and he crocodile dundee gets cancelled but not really because he the studio wants to make crocodile dundee with will smith and then paul hogan's like oh no that wouldn't work because he's black and i'm not all they want will smith to play his adult son adult son. There you go. that's it. yeah sorry this one. I'd just watched three hours ago. And i'm like i don't. I don't really know what happened through most of this. But he does that. And then there's another gag where he's supposed to go to some fundraiser and he thinks it's for like dying children but it's actually like the black excellence awards or something and he walks out the red carpet. It's just like just here to help unfortunate people you know people who need help and you know no good babba feels like you know answering to charges of racism in all his previous work and it's like can't be race. I'm just a somber. No you know happy living fella. I just made a wolf. Yeah okay we we get it like you you are naturally affable misunderstood and it was a different time and it's not like like literally no one cares. I can't. i can't emphasize that enough. That like when when people seem to think that there's just an entire generation that's like rising up to cancel crocodile dundee or whatever it's like now literally gives a shit so you watch this guy fuck. That was that was in poor taste but like i. I'm not gonna lose sleep over the fact that like crocodile dundee sexually assaulted a woman on screen in one thousand nine hundred. Eighty six at a bunch of people laughed at it. Like yeah. that's fucked up. But the guys eighty no one gives a shit like paul hogan doesn't have a fucking career. He's not cashing paychecks. For that at this point. I don't think that he didn't already paid to the australian government for tax fraud. So no one's bending over backwards to cancel paul hogan but this whole the whole thrust of this movie is yet. It's like curb your enthusiasm situation. But like jack said we're just supposed to forgive the fact that he made. Some missteps is prior films because he's a bumbling old man and that's it no you you you made poor taste shit had jokes. But they're old annoying is a fuck about you so you can just die and people probably do a memoriam thing at at the oscars nets it like that who fucking cares ride the grandest most confusing part of this whole movie is the fact that it's like just like ten percent of the entire movie is like made up like entertainment like e celebrity network footage of people giving a shit about hogan. Yeah yeah which never happen. Hogan doesn't need to be cancelled because he has systematically cancelled himself over the last thirty years. Who the can't cancel crocodile dundee. Exactly that's it. He's embarrassed himself to the highest degree. What what can we do to paul hogan at this point. I m augier jesus. I don't know but this is not a total catastrophe. And it's it's just like i said it's too saccharin. It's not as funny as thinks it is and it's entire premise. From the beginning is kind of flawed. It's if anything it's sad it's what it's not even ninety minutes still feels like double the length it can sustain. There's a chase scene like about fifteen minutes into this movie. Which is interminable. And it's john cleese in hogan apopka rodzi guy who eats tagging along and that asshole just won't stop fucking screeching and it is. It's a nightmare to sit through. I this is my least favourite film for that reason. I wanted to kick this movie down the stairs in collect Eat is definitely. It's not a good movie. I kind of the only thing that kinda keeps us one along is that there's a two things i guess i firstly. There's a lot of celebrity cameos and it's just like you just never know what will happen next week will pop up on. It's kind of like that's enough to at least injects doubling. I had to keep looking at the screen and beyond that though it does feel interminable for long periods because it has that element of having no real structure. The it's all over the place in terms of event in weird goes is no overarching kind of like narrative to join seasons. It's seems like it's large in just under comprised of wouldn't it be funny if it's it's kind of a sketch comedy feel and then after that everyone in is like jake says like screeching everyone is like dial up to eleven. No one is like wonder selling their performance. Here like everyone is like basically like it's a big patent Everyone is like just running around the place. Like isn't this wacky. What we're doing and it really is severi tottering exhausting to watch this movie. There are there are few gags the work but most of them. Just don't like everyone is dialed up except for the celebrities themselves so so when you get way night happen in his segment might not be like especially funny. But it's still the like find the way night. Good to see and i suppose the chevy chase one might be the most successful like purely on a from a comedy standpoint. Like some of the jokes are funny. Ish like the gag about him winning an oscar. I was like yeah. That's that's what's sold the movie and by all accounts. He's he's a total asshole so just wanted like. Are these like people who would be cancelled if anyone gave a shit to reexamine because john cleese also quite a problematic sort. Rachel bell johnson is pure. You can't cancel him. Johnson and way nighter in the clear. But i think has some skeletons alongside guest. John schubert every time he he log onto twitter. Like here's here's what also works music. Yeah there's a lot of cameos but even worse is at. There's a lot of name drops in this movie in in their off to use his punch lines. I don't think there's anything funnier than a namedrop and it also comes at like the worst one. I think comes at the height of the chasing where they hit somebody on the freeway. They look at each other and go. Oh no i think that was harvey weinstein. Who is the king of canceled people. It's just terrible and that is preceded immediately when when they quote unquote rundown harvey weinstein. It is preceded by a fucking wilhelm. Scream i thought that might be the happiest joke. I've ever seen a movie. Franklin easer nothing pure in all of this than you know just just letting them go with this like the people scream. The most about being sold are canceled because no one actually gives out more. It's impossible to cancel them on this just the whole film fun of a a wonderful tribute towards that kind of misguided nece. It's ridiculous you're looking at it just going like who could care less about this. Like what the hell is even happening here. Paul hogan was cancelled that he made a fourth crocodile hunter. On top of the fact that like a running joke in this movie is at crocodile. dundee is so bad. No one remembers us. Insulin okay fair. Renault threats that you. Now why're you making food dracula. Exactly you know what this reminds me of this kind of speaks to the same level of equality but Do you guys remember the hit. Two thousand three film pauly. Shore is dead never sought worship. Well that's the correct response but it's it's. It's the same vibe here. It's kind of short joking here. Where he's back. He makes successful return. That's dry as asked polishers still in law two or something. And he's like he's back some recall that at all. This movie must have broken. I think anytime like the fucking entertainment tonight. Screen popped on my goal right. I don't wanna fuck and watch city. Why does i think. I think son-in-law to would work though. Like what if. What paulie shore made father-in-law now. But he's he's like the wacky father-in-law there's a. There's a way for him to revive career. Sure yeah it's only like the fourth best pauly shore movie couple years. He's a tv show and he was displaying himself Version of himself or show was that remember. He's pretty big on cameo. Like if you pay. Paulie shore two hundred dollars. She'll schill anything for you so something to think about. We got to save up all of our patriot money for that. The other thing that almost works about this and is not utilized and again i guess it factors into the end of the film which i just i could not talk about saccharin. I it just takes like buck in an episode of curb your enthusiasm and all of a sudden it turns into like once or something like what is this fucking. The fosse musical at the end of the dream sequence. We had folk montage of paul hogan skipping all these events and instead going to see his granddaughter and it's like the most painful fucking thing i've ever seen it fucking sucks. It's so god damn hokey and about one of the things he skipping is is one of the more successful elements of the film. Which again you stole it. From larry david but the crocodile dundee musical is one of the very few jokes and actually hits in this. Yeah that his ass for like the only section this movie where i was actually like a happy to be your I would love to see a crocodile. Dundee fosse musical. Like i would. I want the jazz hands. I want the chorus lines. Everything give it to me. I would pay good money to watch. That certainly would watch that before. I'd watch any of these movies again. So all right well. I think they pretty much wraps it up really productive. I'm sure you guys enjoyed this whole week. It's been good for you a lot of a lot of great stuff on tv screen do it for fans that's right we do. We are men of the people. That's that's exactly it. So you know week. I'm going to have you guys put something over. But if you have a special message to send to our fan dustin who wanted us to crocodile dundee series go ahead and put something over and then attach a nice little message for dustin so jacco had what he put over this week. I'm gonna put over a early nineties. Movie called arcade directed by albert pune who will feature in some subsequent episodes. We're going to be entering the universe. It's hard to describe this movie. I really enjoyed it. Essentially imagine an or rated episode of. Are you afraid of the dark. That's literally the movie. It's very weird vibe. Starring ralphie from christmas story among several the people you might recognize from other tv shows. It's basically about a very addictive video. Game of virtual reality video game at all. kids are getting hooked on turns out actually malevolent. It's was delayed. Its release was delayed several years because disney threatened to sue them even the early nineties disney still a goofy silly movie quite a lot of phone just almost smart enough to make you know kind of make you think but then not release us martha you feel that you really have to dedicate too much to kind of a perfect perfect way to spend your time. So i'm putting over arcade by our appeal and as a message. 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Making John Wick: Chapter 3Parabellum With Chad Stahelski, and Watching It With Shea Serrano | The Big Picture

The Big Picture

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Making John Wick: Chapter 3Parabellum With Chad Stahelski, and Watching It With Shea Serrano | The Big Picture

"Hey, it's Liz Kelly, welcome to the ringer podcast network before you get to the show, make sure you check out the ringer dot com for our extensive NBA playoff coverage leading up to the NBA finals. Also look out for a twenty nineteen NBA draft guide, which now features fifty of Kevin O'Connor scouting reports. The draft guide has a first-round mock draft big board rankings from our draft experts like Jonathan Turks Danny Chow, and much more to come leading up to the draft itself on June twentieth. Once again, check out the ringers twenty nineteen NBA draft guide, and all of our NBA coverage over on the ringer dot com. But if I told you again, pitched this to you in simple sentences ex assassin loses wife of natural causes no affected. Bad guys kills eighty people because of puppy dies. I mean, we got kicked out every room in Hollywood knows wanted to make them movie. I'm Shawn fantasy editor in chief of the ringer. And this is the big picture a conversation show about ask kicking action stars were here today, of course, to talk about the new movie, the only movie the biggest movie here at the ringer, John wick three also in action, packed episode of this show. I, I'm going to talk to the director and the sort of creative overlord of the John wick universe. Chad's to Helsinki. Chad is a longtime stuntman stunt coordinator, stunt choreographer. And now filmmaker this is his third film all three are John wick films. It is definitely the biggest it is definitely the craziest. It's an incredibly fun movie. It's also an intense film really fun to talk to chat about how they did all the things that they did, and how he got to wear he isn't Hollywood. And then immediately after that. If you've seen the movie, I would recommend listening to the second half of this show, which is a conversation with our pal shea Serrano shea, of course, hosting a podcast about the John wick universe called with pencil, and he had a lot of deep thoughts about J w three was really fun to chat with shea. So now without further ado. Let's go. Right to my conversation with director chats to Helsinki. Delayed to be joined by CHAD'S the hausky the director in the Lord of our favorite franchise here at the ringer. John wick. Chad, thanks for being here. Course. Thank you for asking Chad. I wanna know a lot about the franchise of course, but I'm very interested in you as a filmmaker. And how you got started in film, obviously, you were twelve noon that you were stunt coordinator stunt man over the years. But specifically as a kid that, you know, you were going to get involved in the movie industry. No, I'm from Palmer, Massachusetts, which I think, probably has more cows than people. It's in western Massachusetts, you know, discrepant a small town, always love movies since his Saturday afternoon. Sunday afternoon. My mom and dad, both worked so Sunday afternoon was family time to watch the old the equivalent of Turner classic movies with the old bonds, and, you know, bridge over River Kwai Lawrence of Arabia, some of the classics, and always, like movies. Really? But you never everything you're going to be in movies. I remember seeing the Burt Reynolds movie Hooper when I was like. Ten I think, which is I guess a inadequate way to date myself. But yeah, then end up going to college at UC of the university of southern California and in the dorms ended up rooming with a guy from San Diego, who is actually a film school student. And when we were discussing I kind of joke with them like that's not that's bullshit, measure, that doesn't exist. I didn't know you could major movies and he's like, yeah. Film school man. So I started hanging out with him and his friends and kinda got appreciate for it. And I monitor bunch of his classes, I took a bunch of film appreciation film history, the typical stuff that a film student goes through. And I, I really kinda got into it. I thought it was really, really cool. And I'd always liked live performances, whether they be, you know, martial arts performance a stub stunt performance sport performance were theatrical before. So I kinda got into theater and dance in just kind of not doing them, obviously. But just just watching them in kind of appreciating it in. That's always kinda stuck with me were you doing? Martial, Arthur, anything like that as a kid growing up. And so is like ten. Then I saw Bruce Lee movie is like a mom and dad. I'd like to do that. I wasn't very good with balls, planning play basketball baseball football. I just wasn't quite the team sport guys. So I did. You know, dad was in a motorcycle. So I got my first dirt bike, when I was, like tan, I saw, Bruce Lee movie. So I wanted to karate my dad was on the fire department with the guy that did judo again, Ainley McDonald who was. Quite good at the sport. He was nationally ranked and, you know, you're in the g the pyjama like things, so dad figured ones as good as the next judo karate confused all the same. So he stuck with that. And that's a that was kinda my indoctrination into martial arts, and I've been pretty much hardcore into it ever since you mentioned Hooper, which makes me think of Burt Reynolds, and how Needham the legacy of the stuntman making this transition so amidst that how do you actually get involved in the industry? Doing this work after monitoring some film close courses in growing an appreciation for lots of bad career choices, I would assume on a couple bad life choices. No. Honestly, I got out of college, I was studying a lot of different shots at a place called the Antezana academy with his very famous instructor called. Dannon. Asano Annette's remember this is before I phones before computers before the internet was popular anything like that. So, like, you know, it was word of mouth. And if you wanted to go see somebody, you had to travel the distance, get the plane ticket, hitchhike, you over there. So, by the time I got to California got this guy's place. Marina del Rey known heard of multi, yet, which is Thai. Boxing, her bucks from vodka or Filipino arts, colonists sicker on C lot, that was made pop in the raid, all these different martial arts. No one really heard of them, what mainstream role taught at this place by incredibly efficient, people from around the world was like a college of martial arts, and that's where I ended up seducing or bullshitting, my way into when I was still sixteen started studying there in through that, I met a lot of stunt men were in the industry that all were going there for the added advantage of what was taught there and made some connections, and I ended up competing amateur level in kickboxing, and I got I got watched the I didn't exhibition bout end to, to people in the audience for stunt coordinators at the time. And again, yet, remember, this is even pre some of the sports nigger stuff where martial arts fights, didn't exist in big budget, film, it hadn't hit highway no-one who Jackie Chan, was that was his little secret. We all had that we'd see. You know, you pay four dollars to go see in the theater in Santa Monica, or something, but, like martial arts weren't mainstream. So, you know, they're in the low budget action realm even before, Steven Seagal was known, and they need to guys do it because it wasn't a popular thing, if you're a driver, or cowboy, your horse guy, those popular activities in stunts, but martial arts was very rare, especially I'm six feet. Six one. So I had a body type that wasn't really into the acrobatic martial art thing. So I just kinda fit a Bill, then they asked me after the bout. Hey, would you like to be in this movie, and it was a Kris Kristofferson Cathy long who was a female kick box at the time, directed by Albert Pune had done a lot of the early nemesis movie cyborg helped discover von dumb way back when so I started doing a bunch of movies for him. Little million dollar movies were you thinking when you were doing this really? This is the pathway to something bigger, the judges thinking, like wow. They pay better than actually getting punched in the face. So like, you know for like the time when we were competing, you know, after I turned pro we'd fight in you'd get maybe. If you get fifteen hundred dollars for ten weeks of training in Schick Adia, then he divided it with your trainer in your sparring partners. You know you're pulling in two fifty to three hundred dollars a fight. You know you work in stunts, I think the sag we've get that time was like fourteen hundred or something like that. And you didn't get punched in the face. You do. It was just that is give me a chance. There's something more. I wanted out of it when you do practical martial arts, I love marshawn L of all I love the ones that people may think are inefficient, or don't work or what streetfight vital and what, you know, I it's like arguing over who would win. Godzilla King Kong kung FU versus you have see versus jujitsu. I really just I didn't really care about that. I just like the idea of all Mars to move my body. I like the, the cultural thing I like the aesthetics of it. And, you know, when you compete you gotta hold true to those four or five things at work. Right. Your training is very, very different. So you focus less and less about overall learning different martial arts is focusing on the things that will get you through the next bow, and hopefully, win and pay your rent. Film. I realized, wow. This thing about choir fee is like, now, I get it because huge Asian cinema fan. Like, well, I can use everything I know I can jump from judo to kick boxing, to compute a chronic, and he's all these different things that can be sourcing guns. And the creative experience of choreographing was very enticing to me, it was refund, and it gave me an outlet to do all the things that normally as a competitor, I wouldn't have pursued and that was the main appeal. When did that develop your ability to start choreographing fights as opposed to just participating in somebody else's playing? You know, when you anybody that's where you have to anything from dance to martial arts to two car sequences to overall camera, orchestrate, y'all. We start the sheriff is always the same kind of process. It starts with imitation. You copy a movie that you saw you copy a Jackie Chan fight, you copy of Bruce leaf I you know, you copy a dance routine that you've seen you copy what you know, and then you get into self expressionism of, like, I'm gonna do it my way, I'm going to create my own style. I'm going to do this, then it becomes a blend of the two, then he kind of transcend all that. And you start dealing with story and character and. Creating both of those through motion. And then, you know, for film, we have a third dimension, which is camera. You know, I've always enjoyed training, people in working, you know, being hands on and, and doing perspective changes from performer to director from poorer director, and I think that not only is fun. But it's just something I felt natural doing so in answer your question, you know, as a stunt performer, I saw these guys in motorcycles car. It just it seemed like there was more out there than just again. I, I love kicking people in the head. It's awesome. It just there, I wanted to do more stuff, and, you know, film, I don't know. There's something magical know. It's like everything. Everybody's falls in love with film. You know, everybody wants to be a little part of it, and create some, but it was more about the behind the scenes that I really fell in love with I saw what the choreographer is that the stunt team was doing when I did my first couple of jobs. I was like, I think that's what I wanna do. I'm going to be that guy. And I'd, I'd be happy to be that guy. That'd be great and you start doing it. You realize you start. Watching somebody's director in some of the editors and some of the choices made that we could do a great job choreographing. We train the cast and they do a great job. And then it wouldn't be shot. Right. Or it wouldn't be edited. Right. Or they just started gave us time 'cause they weren't really getting it. So that's why don't I start editing? So at the time me and my MAC 2ci with, like half a gig of, of ram at the time would final cut pro the program for reading I version. So you do like a whole ten seconds of video. I hold on your heart, and I started playing around with editing. Would you would you be ending brawl in my great grandmother at the time for Christmas? Present gave me an old video camera. It was literally the size of a suitcase, I think back in the day that actually held a full VHS cassette. So we go shoot things we literally do the VCR VCR thing than we've learned to input it into the computer play and, you know, fucking horrible suck and you start learning then I took a bunch of still photography classes, just stuff you, you start. I've always liked art love museums. Like, honestly you look at a John. Film, if it's in that movie, it's something I love. That's why you see so much Carvalho art here, classical music, you hear wacky things you see horses cars things like you'll see lights in architectural set pieces that shouldn't exist. You'll see mythological references to Greek mythology into, you know, Asian opera Chinese opera. And then you'll see, you know, the color palettes, and you'll see all these wacky references to Latin or different languages of the subtitles. So the things there's grew up with and loved, and Al kinda, I think I love some pretty nerdy stuff. And you always want to kind of bring that out a little bit. This convergence is what makes the franchise in the film so good. I mean, that's definitely what I wanna talk to you about. I think so. And if you knew the rest of the people involved like the little creative circle that we have there, especially mysteries. I think he's equally as, as odd with mainstream aesthetics is I am. So, you know, the process for us is we sit down just referenda shit. We love and we tack it up on a big wall. And then we start writing a story. Around it before we go too far into John wick. I'm just curious. Was it difficult for you to then make that transition from stuntman to choreographer up unchain creatively? No. But just sort of tax business. It's hard. Yeah. I would say, logistically, I mean, if you can it's like any profession. Okay, we're sitting here in this room. If you wanna own your radio station, I'm sure you could do it. Do you wanna take that responsibility? Do you want to have that kind of shit on your shoulders every single day? You know, you go for former that you told to do something to, you know, major corporal, you know, I'm sorry, major Colonel that, you know, you taking responsibility, but you still answering somebody or you just want to fuck, and I want to run the whole show when you're choreographer, do you have to or coordinator, do you have to have a team working under? Yeah. Like, you know, you Bob Fosse, great grandfather dancer director, you know, quarter fy is, you know, fifty percent. Conception from Quaker. And the other fifty percent is finding people more talented. More crazy than you are to pull it off. So, yeah, I mean, I, I have some cool ideas and funky ideas, but I can't do them. Like, I'm not the guy I gotta go find a team to pull him off. And when we say that it's not like just at the Andrew thing that you need dance. I need my stunt team. I gotta train my cast. So I figured it out there and train the cast, you know, it's not like I have this chorus line of expert Broadway dancers. I gotta go get cast that may or may not be my choice that I have to try to get to the level that can hang with my stunt team. What do you do when you're working on a film, and you realize someone's not up to the task like particularly actor? That's not an option like it's may not be, you know, I use the Star Trek reference sits like her bashing Beirut. They're kinda thing. You know, if you can't answer a question change a question the answer. So if the caz, member isn't up to par with something else, you've got to change something else. So if you quit you're having this huge sword Bettini can't swing sort, you'd better, come up with some funny, gag. You know, we always use the Indiana Jones thing is, you know, if you run the problems, that's not gonna change pull the gun la- gun do the thing changed, queer your feet, you know, come up with a comedy stick being. A nice long fight isn't always the answer. We use long fights to get to the gag, you know, if you watch John wick three or John Ritter UC will sometimes we'll go more than you think. We should just get the line at the end that makes it feel like okay that's why they did it, it wasn't just a show of Mars. Sometimes it'd be one new was there, one significant film that you worked on the kind of foot. The switch for you realizing that you could either be as stunt coordinator, choreographer kinda took you up to the next level L. Yeah. I matrix working with which houses in you'll being of course, arguably, one of the greatest choreographer marshawn query, first of all time. Plus, you know, I mean that's cattle and I and Laurence Fishburne's and, you know, my Dave leeches that's our unifying factor. We've all been through the which hausky school of filmmaking, which is difficult and exhilarating titillating and stressful. I I've never worked with a film a group of filmmakers at bring out who you are quicker and I'm very thankful for that people in the general public before that film came out, I think we're a little dubious or confused. About it when you guys were making it. Did you know what you had your hands on? I didn't come in at the beginning Kanoo when he signed up for had some neck issues Adiga through next surgery. So they had to postpone some of the action and candidate already training quite a bit for the movie already started filming and they needed, or it became clear that for some of the stunt work, and we'll go over what stunts would action is the way it worked out. They needed a stunt double that was going to take a lot of impacts could overlap some of the, the more arduous of the, the martial arts stuff. So I did not dish in actually turned the job down twice because it didn't fit with my schedule. The work schedule had anyways long story short. I ended up taking the job off. You months later, I got the script literally it was, it was not an easy read as you can imagine trying to describe what we all now it and take for granted as the magic of the matrix, but it was a is a thick read very cerebral. And it talked about the fights and us again. This is it sounds cool. But like it's a Sifi phil- philosophical piece within two weeks of landing in Sydney, Australia, and starting the training. I remember calling my when my best friends back at the time ago. Yeah, this is going to be different cut to a year later when we saw the premiere in Westwood California, like, yeah. Alicia. It was a trip. It was a trip. But no one expected even even when we're working on, we all knew it was going to be special just because of what they are doing. What was asked of us and obviously being sentenced sentencing come together. But no one, I don't think any of the crew, including myself could guess what? The final product was going to be did being associated with it, specifically impact your career in a big way. Yeah. Impacts me as a filmmaker for certain I could talk volumes on the which housekeepers and, and the level of genius. Say genius commitment creativity the, the depth that they go into every single department with the, the amount of detail. The. And I mean this in the best of ways just the psychology behind him is as leaders in his directors to pull what they need to do on the crew into communicate their, their creativity to get it out of the, their mazing people. When did you realize that you wanted to do, what they specifically we're doing, honestly, it's always in the back of your head? But it's I just I kinda fucked myself a little bit. I worked I worked a lot in the beginning of my career with some great filmmakers, some really great filmmakers. And so, when you, you know, if I had worked with really shitty filmmakers, I fuck can do that. When you work with some of the best at the time I mean, some I mean these aren't just regular shows. I mean, you know, I worked on the matrixes you know, I worked on, you know, the crow without pros Brandon Lee, I worked on three hundred was axed nighter. I mean just those who right now are all the NFC you can say like, but their game changing in what they tried to do at the time you know, as far as what are much? Can you know with the marvel universe and superheroes? Now in action Alice's before born this is before underworld before marvel. This is before all that stuff. So these were the ones shaped our industry so yeah. I mean it it changed what was expected in. It also changed your mindset of what you can do. See get there. And you're like I don't know if I'm that good. You know, cut to few years later where you're putting the spot of, like, you know, I feel the need to do this and both my partner daily were asked to do other things slightly much bigger scale than, than the first John week. And we're like we just felt like look all that money. Sounds really, really good to do forty or fifty million dollar actually, we'd have more. But it just the stories scripts weren't there. And no one was going to give us at you her gun for shooting people in the head and doing all this stuff and having emotional hook that didn't, you know, if it's about bashing people's heads in revenge. Stories are good cops bad. Cops navy seals. We got we got those scripts. That's awesome. But if I told you again, I pitched this to you in simple sentences ex assassin loses wife of natural causes no affected. Bad guys kills eighty people because of puppy dies. I mean, we got kicked out every room in Hollywood knows did you wanna make them movie? So we did it independently with Linda road. We chose that one because one bows, on in thunder road, the Encana the two people in charge of the project gave a shot to do something that, you know is all fast, cutting shaky Cam from the Bornes at that point. And we say, look, we don't wanna cut we don't want anything. We do it like a live performance would be like feeder in, we're kill a lot of people because when this thing called gun FU, I'm going to this really slow martial art judo. We're not gonna punch and kick. And, you know, have somebody go sure, I mean, that's not normal. And that's how it came about. We tried to do something a little different. And, you know, we figured if we do something really small, if we really screw the pooch, no one's going to see it. Yes, we're protecting ourselves. You know it's not like jumping off and doing. Million dollar movie on your first go, which a lot of people try in for my mind, they all fail is there. Was there a heavy stigma for you in Liege in that time, because you were stunt men and stunt coordinator union now, like, okay, John Waikiki? Get it. But like at the time no one Kano, you know, had a year prior to finish forty seven Ronin, which didn't quite have the appeal. They're hoping for in the box office in. I am exactly sure we're in his time it is. But he had a few other films that weren't mainstream. So we're kind of under the radar like, no one was really looking at Kano. No one's really David. I mean, we're just too goofy stunt guys we had a really good name with second unit action directing for the studios. Like, yeah. That was great. These are the I'll get these guys with the fights off, get these guys for the car shakes, because he's to fix the film. Like, yeah, we made we had a very, very good career. We took a math bay cut to do John wake massive, as I'm sure candidate, we all did just because for whatever reason we liked the script. We liked the world that we were trying to create and we just said, you know, fuck it we're going to give it a go and. Imagine our surprise when people actually liked it. Like we wrapped Dave. And I looked at each of the okay, we find a second job whenever a direct again. We literally that in both went on found jobs, union jobs. We're like we're directions done. It was a nice, try. Good luck. Thanks for everything. And now here you weren't talking to me about the third one go figure. And I just came from something with Dave, you know, he's finishing up Hobson Sean did deadpool, two atomic fund. You guys have done well for yourself. So you mentioned reading the matrix, for the first time, I'm very curious about the first time you read the John, wick scripting kind of what goes into essentially, an action movie script, how much detail for the things that you have to execute exists, on the page versus how much of it is invention that comes from filmmakers, especially filmmakers, with your background. It differs a script writer, writer, you know riders. Right. You know, we choreographed so to expect a writer to capture everything in a mind, that's not really expected. You know, I think that's a. Issue, a lot of times for certain bigger movies is like the writer is coming in for an exceptional amount of money. So whenever he writes, is what you're supposed to do. It's the bible. But how can you expect any one person to get everything, right? Especially when experts from different fields, the first John wick, I think he killed the first script. I read I think he killed four people and it just shot him in the head, and that was done in zero different twenty x there, I think, in the first and then when you were you like look the way we choreograph is once you don't wing somebody when she had to get back up. It's not like a fistfight. You can't keep recycling stunned guests. So the budget jumps huge twenty stunk is said to. But honestly, the way myself, Dave two or three other of our friends that are from the action world. We encourage the seems a little backwards, we encourage the writers to write the fight scenes, we'll joke go like, you know, they'll act because they'll, they'll come in now and they go you guys are they actually has? No. Because you never know throwing ideas, let me hear you like there might be one. Or to you know, we had Derek said, right? Because he was always thinking. Well, you know, Derek. Right. And, like, honestly, I would say about every every fight sequence there's something and there's a character beat. There's something to ship that if not left in the film, inspired us to do something tenjin of that. So, you know, it's when you get a lot of brain power working, ultimately, it's our choice. So, yeah, we can say right, whatever you want. But, you know, we're probably going to strike most, you know, right around shit was the most of these I scout locations, I scout cities. I spend most my days, traveling writing looking at pictures, taking pictures and all that stuff and get inspired throughout that. And that's what uncertain to the script. We're a little backwards. Now, one it was a script to I went to New York and Rome and wrote all the sequences first, and then had our writers stick it all together and some kind of coherent plot. Three was ten times that count, and I got in a room run all these great ideas down. I wrote a story with it, and then fed it back and forth to the writers as they were trying to write some version of a script while. While the same time still rewriting the sequences in going. I mean it's like the kitchen sink. We through in everything and just sees what I know see what kind of again. I I'm a big on plot. I if I love story, but not I'm not worried about three acts or ply. Dan, the life. Somebody interesting is always fun to me, just like when you meet somebody at a bar. Like I don't really wanna know their whole ten year old, thanks. I don't need it all the end. So I just wanna talk to this guy and have an interesting story. I think that's what we applied to John wicker. What Chris our did a lot of the times with Yongbo or, or seven samurai, wet surgeon Yoni ended up doing with the man with no name series, like he's just Dan, the life of somebody really funky. And you're catching a piece of that. It's not hard to see the comparison between those fucking rock is pretty clear. Yeah. Tell me specifically though about when you're choreographing, do you need to know how to draw do you need to know how to write? How do you make that because people who don't work in his industry? Don't understand specifically. How you make some how you get that on screen. That's a good question pain and suffering. You know it's. It's always your biggest fear. I think my, my thoughts and ideas, definitely exceed, my capabilities at least as an individual a, but I'm saying is, I'm probably not good enough to pull off half the ideas, I have in my head, so I need help, and let's see at twenty five I was probably if not the probably in the top three most arrogant humans on the planet, maybe, maybe maybe up to so you think each get your buddies. You learn you don't detest when you try to cooperate, you try to get like, look, I'm not a painter. I can't go brush, to canvas on not a singer. I can't just sing a song I had anywhere between four dozen to four hundred people between me and my finished product. If I can't communicate my dears, if I can't get what I need someone fucked, like, if I see red, but I can't tell you how to mix blue and green or would I I'm fucked. So like you learn very quickly, that if you can't communicate your vision or your ideas, you're not gonna get it. Yes, I I'm. Lucky because I do actually than I was and action guy and I I'm fairly physical and I still keep up with that. And I have a great understanding of martial arts and query fee. And because of all my second year stuff I have great appreciation and knowledge of camera. And I also was an editor. So all these things kind of compiled into this great synergetic effect, which apparently is me now which is again unintentional, but like I'm just one of those lucky few that was either smart enough dumb enough lucky enough to architect, the life that utilizes all the useless stuff that I grew up learning and knowing and it kind of falls together in this. Honestly, no one's more shocked about the, the whole thing than I am. I mean what are the chances that all the weird shit you're literally beaten up as a kid for comes into play. Now, you know, this is I can say me nerdy, I can love anime. I can love cartoons as an adult I can love kung FU movies, I can do it all I can tell everyone, look, I like to make pretty pictures. I, I love beauty. Look pretty love renaissance painting and I love ballet and I can put that. Together in a movie, you should meet your pay me, a pretty lucky guy. You know, is that how so many of the kind of visuals that pieces happened in the movie said, you and Kiana get in the room? And you just say in this movie what do you love? I want there to be this. I love ballet. Okay. John McCain from a school literally order like that, walk in central park, just walking around the city with my production designer, Kevin Kavanagh right before Christmas. You know one of their two years ago now and it was freezing cold in, like I wonder where they put the horses in the carriages and we asked the carriage guys, there's a stable right over there. Eliza Brown face Brownstone on and the like that's can stabilize walk inside. And it was forced to stay with turnoff Fifth Avenue. No fucking way. Don't looks run in here. He's gonna shoot some people here. I am going to kill some people the horse, and as I got a fucking kicked, his a horse, not watching my ass in the stabling looking kicked, once, not, not guys in the movie. I got hooked pretty good. And I was like, let's go to the movie, and it just goes in, I have a notebook like this thick of all these ideas. So we just go through the notebook. Every move. And I was like every movie I go through my notebooks. Okay. This then you can initiate even if I don't use what's in there. It's really back afterwards thing, but it's you know, dolines gate credit the amount. They let us do our own thing is unprecedented in this business. Now, if that's with understanding or. In our or fear. I don't know why they let me do it, but they're very nice to let me do it. They have a bit of faith in the franchise, which is again. Awesome more money. More budget, more scale is that good? Or is that a bad pressure, both? I don't mind like, you know, once people try to blow you up and jump on pressure. Takes on a different, meaning I've been fortunate enough, people don't realize most stunt work is, is mental. It's how much can you do or how much shit? Can you take at Stanley ten percent of your career? Big stunts. We gotta have your shit together. The rest is just being cold being wet being hung in a harness, you know, being a comfortable and how much can you maintain a good attitude? Bring everybody down loss, taking it. So you learn to endure a lot and after all, that, like, I've had my I was fortunate I, I worked very well as a I mean I worked at a very good shows on very big stunts gets perform limited from big car stuff, too big falls to big explosions. I got to do it all, as a son perform, which I feel thankful for that I still can walk. But you didn't toughen up, mentally and you go certain place. I was a professional athlete for awhile. So that kind of shift my brain. So when you get two points of people just yelling at you over money and time you kind of let that slide off your back. Like at the end of the day, they'll fire me, I'm not gonna break my back. I'm gonna be able to walk the next day. I'm not going to have third degree burns on me. So you kind of click into, you know, it's all gravy from here. Like, I just, you know, try not to be a day, try not to pick up. And so it takes some of the pressure off with that, that mentality. But you know then you put other restraints. I mean, other responsible isn't like look canneries really offend mine. He's trust me to do something. I can't fuck this up and that to me is greater pressure than any of the, the financial stuff, you know. And then I'm not gonna lie to you. Get hooked on it. You know, we were completely surprised like you know, if you're doing if you're director of how you doing someone else? Yeah, of course, you have personal investment in like the John wicks for candidate than I like that's awes- like, especially number three for me. Like that's me. If you don't like what's in that, like, like just about? Ninety nine percent of the edits or mine, ninety nine percent of the choice of mine. If you don't like what somebody's wearing? I'm not going to tell you the studio. Maybe I did it should not. You're wearing all black right now. Yeah. So there you got notable. I'm not wearing a turtleneck turtleneck on now. It's like every decision, there's mine, and I take responsibility for that. That's the hardest thing because if you know, the reviews are coming in we get some good ones. We have some shitty ones, and nine of mind bad review just be intelligent about it. We've used this sucks. Am I am not getting paid for that? That's the best. He's got his sucks. But, you know, it's, it's more like if they would just wasn't the story to move four. We don't feel love for the character in all in all. It's not that thrilling gate. I get it. And that's a heavy responsibility means I kinda failed if you go, this is a really good ride. This is it, you know, it was a little too much action for me. Like I get it. We purposely went over the top on this one feel the fatigue of wick. Like I wanted to over the top, it was a conscious choice. You know, I get a lot of shit for that, while there's just too much you. Okay. But what's too much? I take ten minutes out. Is it still too much to minutes too much? And then the hardcore fans like why'd you cut out all the action. You know, you, you just try to do what you think is best, and this movie to me, is what I think is what I want to see out of a number three just like number one was what we wanted to see out of the number one, you know, we can't cry. We didn't have enough money. We didn't have enough time. There are choices and that's the most important responsibility. I think any filmmaker can take I feel like one of the anxieties that I hear from filmmakers, who are working on bigger and bigger projects is not so much how difficult it is to actually do the work. It's the reception of the work, and there's like a, you know, you've got a brighter spotlight on you now because this movie is going to be bigger than the last one. I, I guess that's on the filming. And I've talked to all my friends are actors and stuff. And they were funny. We were just talking about on the way over here, again, with two other friends that are directors. You know, it, it's how you take critique like one of my closest friends doesn't read a single, one won't read them. Doesn't care it as well. Be buck off. Don't wanna read them. Now a friend, like me that we read everything and it's not I two different reasons. I read them, just I wanna know I wanna feel the pulse, I wanna see what's hitting and I wanna. It makes me think a little bit. Do I doubt myself now. Fuck off. I do it. You wanna rag on me? Go do it yourself. You know, I had cut him in tally like step in the ring, and then you can talk about until then just an opinion, but then I have the other side of me, more creative more nice guy side, which is like I wonder what you think. Can we think is fine? You know if you just you can tell you can read the reviews and it's not just about the reviews. You can tell people are a little bit. You can see. Okay, one just writing something shitty to get a good review. You know, to get noticed. Some are like, actually they love the movie, but they are actually giving you what their, their fan boy, thing is. I dig that and my other friend, they read every review because, you know, they kind of question their choices in our question history. Like, okay, did did I this? Well, I should on that, Mike. Why didn't do me to has an argument with him? And I think that and I just got done saying, I think that's a little self destructive. Like I, you gotta own up it means our choices at the end of the day, if you don't like the movie, the released you to stand up and be day yet spoke anyway, like it's your. Choice if you let someone forced into decision, you're an adult, I mean, that you think you sort of answered the question I had, but it makes the point that I think a lot of time when a filmmaker writer, whatever has intentionally by what they're doing. It makes a lot more sense, easier stand behind, and he said, there's so much action, this movie one, it's not. I mean, it's John with three like if there's not a lot of action. I don't I honestly don't know what you're gonna have the most action. Yes, why not you? But you said you did it for a reason, you know, you thought showing the fatigue, the sort of intensity that way because going through over this long journey. It's purposeful. Do you is that something that you encounter? We're talking about when you're mad about the story too. Yeah, because I mean God when you have like thirty pays of action, you gotta, you know, it's gonna come up. It's coming the and it's like, you know studio. Look at it like that'll be the note, you know, when they do all these timing, I don't know if they audience knows what you do. Shitload attest ratings the audience. I mean, the studios want you to test in different demographics, different areas in different cities in the steel business, you know, they're not the creative like we, we go with our gut instincts. They have to go with numbers cycle. Analytics in what you. You know, women under twenty five say men over twenty five say what do you know, different ethnicity say different urban environments that they go through all this. And then that's their answer. That's plausible deniability is our guy. Well, this movie tested. Well, I don't know. Why didn't do? Well, you know, we gotta go with just making a fun movie. I don't know. I don't know what went on twenty five. Make it a fun. Actually yet have action, everybody thinks it's too much action. I'm like, yeah. But those people don't like, action movies, anyway. So I made this for action Louis people, you know, like, if you're going to John, wake movie hopefully it's got some other wacky stuff in there. But like, you know, it's, it's for the people that want to see fun, you know, when I take ourselves seriously. But interesting things they haven't seen before kind of action. And that's, that's what I grew up with. That's what I wanna see. So we kind of did it like that. But yeah, I don't know. I think from critics choice it's how you view really your creative process. Like I stand by what I did I stand by every choice. I know full well, and I think this is the maturity level involved in any creative endeavor. I don't hate my audience. I don't hate my critics. I don't I don't argue with him. I can't dispute, you know what they think you're feel if I get a bad review. It's like fair enough. You didn't like it. I get it. There's a lot of movies that people like that. I don't find favour with I, I have a professional opinion of how it was made. Like, you know, I made out like a superhero movie because of I just didn't it didn't click with me, but I can still very well made movie I think I can have that separation. But I'm sure those filmmakers, you know, you know, they made the movie they wanted to make it's funny because I feel like your franchise is very beloved. I don't feel like you're under fire on is, you know, a lot of action movies are not respected. And you're really are. And I think that's again, it's, it's not I never really feel under finally, I'm grateful for the way people feel about. And that's good. I mean it's a labor love. Hopefully people get that out of it, and hopefully connects at a different label that I'm gonna just trying to make or count on I and thunder road and Lionsgate when are trying to make a movie. That's Sal, we're trying to you where the honest general clicks within the that was cool. That was like somebody out there gives a shit. Look, somebody, you know, we're going to fifteen dollars to get shit. They're gonna make something pretty. They're not gonna make something. Purpose. I couldn't is John wick one than John with one part to jumping one part three like mimicking, the same view over and over. I'm trying to give us but yeah, you're always gonna get it. You know, the curse of the sequel too big too little too much too, similar to plain too much world building, not enough. We'll building none of heart too much heart, too. Little story too much like I weaned doll you out there. I get that. I totally get it. Like I have watched as many sequels as you guys have launched. I totally get it. So it's the most stressful part about being the director of the guy behind it like the guy in my chair is okay. We'll somebody's gotta tell me like you can phone it. And you can have some you tell you what's too much you can have test audiences. Tell you, what's, too much, or you stand up be beat a guy or, or be the, the real director and say, this is what I think, and stand by it. And that's just what you have to do. Now. Do you know, for sure? No, I'm not. I'm just saying, like it's my gut instinct, that this is good. And it may be surprising to some of you to know that, like I kinda shitload of action on John with number three. Like their sequences in there that I cut because I think they were standalone great. But in the movie, even I felt a little bit aboard. What do I do? Know. Okay. Let's go. So you gotta go if you got you know, and that's what I did. I walked out, feeling like I had seen two or three of the best actions at pieces that I've ever seen before. What is good? What was the hardest one to do? All trick in certain ways knife, that I find the antique store is rhythm and knowing that it was going to be a rematch thing because it's in my head, it work that way, I comes to NATO I have two younger brothers. We had a Yousef snowball fights, like you wouldn't believe, and it was pretty much looked like that sequence in the movie, just three people throwing recklessly fast and as many snowballs, you could each other in some hitting some missed that idea not shots. I'm sure heaps three boys kidding. And there are a lot of rocks in that snowball. Yeah. You know that was tricky mentally, but fairly logistically easy. You know, I have to animal sequences in the movie. That are probably the toughest be just because I don't know if you know this animals, don't know. It's movie, they just show up. I have no idea. The dog sequence like literally no idea almost a year with me in a trainer named Andrew Simpson. Who does all the wolves on game of thrones genius guy again, for those of you that don't know dogs don't know what's a movie when you see an animal attack a human being. That's not a movie dog, send a movie attack. It's an animal trying to injure human being. That's the way they do it that didn't seem to click with me. So, well, I'm a huge dog. I have two dogs at home in I was playing my puppies early in development. And I was like I had this idea. But like I get this little red ball I played with him. They say okay down. They put I was like I put the ball into my shirt started tacking a ball. I said, stop. They not. So I connected all these trainers, and they're like, wow. This is the way we do it. Okay. Finally got a hold of Andrew to a reference, as like look can we train the dogs just to play play attack. And he's like, well, you can just you can't use the animal. Can't Cillian will afterwards to attack schools because you've taught him to attack. Like you can't just give that to a family after that, 'cause like they think you know, hard play is acceptable where, you know, most people spend time training domestic animal to know that rough play like that or biting crotches is a bad thing. So we came up with a plan in the way to do it. We found five other trainers that were down to only animals to train them to, to keep them and just a whole different aspect of animal training when you get into it, that was going to be safe for the summer say, for the animals, obviously, you can't just have, you know, dogs don't know how speed a rehearsal to an animal is the same thing as a take and you don't wanna injure, their teeth jolly that the bite, and the stuntman of going on their flannel over the place. We decided that knowing what Andrew in knowing what I know what the stunts in the choreography in what I wanted to do that. It was going to be, you know, is this going to work? So we both went our separate ways. Andrew went on a big tour of the United States and found us five Belgian on than had the physical attributes. And the mental capacities that he felt like these are incredibly intelligent super strong super athlete, and they get it. They have the temperament to do. And after three months of testing on the animals exceeded all expectations. And then we had a train, all the stuntman. So the animals had to be acclimated to the people. So we got Halle Berry, literally five months early it's been air every day with the dogs a team of twelve stunt men that are repetitively used in Riyadh sequence that you see in, in the movie, and they just pretty much live with the dogs, they do their stone training in physical training day in two hours every night of the week with dogs. So this isn't just extras. I mean is literally kion Reeves in Halle Berry, huge movie stars making a huge physical and time investment to do something like this just from your perspective. What is in it for them is, what is, is it the challenge the difficulty of doing this? You know. L speak on a guest, you'd have to ask them for sure. I you know, the only difference being us in really any other movies is that attitude from them, you have great Quakers out there. You have great stunt directors out there. I, I know shitload them they're great. There's no reason that every movie out there shouldn't be as good if not better than than waken choreography. It really comes down to the, the most common denominators, which is cast people have to do it. Like we said, all the great ideas in the world. That's fifty percent of it the other getting across the finish line is who performs it. So if you don't get the right stunt team, you don't get the stone quarry. I don't get the right guy to shoot it you the rank cut it. You don't get the right performers all great ideas fallen deaf ears. So, you know, I, I spent three times as much in prep is everybody else. I take that money from the back end. But, you know, I don't believe in six weeks rehearsals, I believe in six months of rehearsals, and people look at me like flock in psycho. Most people don't realize that only the stunt people in the cast do this Harris was in. It's usually in gym, not with the right sets not with the right wardrobe IRA. Hearse as if they're dress rehearsals for five months out, and I just don't fake trying to be good. I have my cast just good. They're trying like some people. I know everybody says they do their own action. I'm gonna call bullshit. I know everybody says, it's the hardest thing ever done a couple of shit again. I know everybody says train super hard now couple should he end there's hard and then there's fucking hard. And then there's you know we trained for the job. We train to work at performance levels, if you've ever wanna know how we train go sit backstage, go to New York City ballet, dress rehearsal in watch, what professional dancers, do they do an hour and a half performance about forgetting a move. Think about it. That's months of training. We do the same exact methods only with martial arts almost to a T what, what the professional dance companies do. That's because it's all memory off his goal muscle memory in how we perform with on and off and how we rotate Cameron. There is very, very similar live performances. So what are they get out of it? One. As an individual, I'm sure it's I've accomplished, something I thought I can do. I'm sure that's in there, I've accomplished something that other people just don't want to do. And you know in the acting field. I know again, everybody says they want to do it. Look. I'm sure everybody wants to be the matrix. I'm sure everybody wants to be John Wakeham share. Everybody wants to be Halle Berry flipping and flying. I get it. So would I and I'm sure the first week of training is very fun for everybody. I'm sure the second week is less fun. And I'm sure five months later of, you know, a a, you know, a fucking hardcore diet being constantly sore beat up in mentally exhausted. And so try to live a life with your family, after eight hours of driving over Los Angeles to three different gyms and having to have that personnel, and still learning your lines and the opportunity cost of not taking two other jobs to make you quick million here million. They're like, yeah, it's fucking sucks. You know, Keanu it Buchan socks for him. I mean, she, it's fun in for Halley fucking socks. But the end of it, if you see it in hopefully, it all comes together, and you take a big gamble. You roll the dice. They've been on me. I bet on them you come out of it, and you see the work, and you're like, yeah, pretty fucked proud of that. And then you get the reviews in the kudos, we're getting right now, like, yeah, I you know, if if you didn't wanna roll the dice, if you didn't wanna try and climb them out, and you wouldn't be in this business. You know, is that what it is between you and Kiana, who is alternately the final product is the most important thing, and then it is worth it. You know, Kanza is great guy. I mean for him, he, I again, a reach on this one, but he loves cinema. He loves movies. He loves experience making me. Let's watch him as being in them. He loves developing him. I feel I'm very much the same just from what I have experienced with Halle and Laurence Fishburne in McShane. They fucking love movies. I think we'd all be fairly clueless or working at a gas station, if he weren't in film. And I think the love of it is at. So I I don't think it's well it's very nice. It's like look it's about the finished part. But I think honestly. For myself in kennel. I guess it's the journey. I mean, we love the love the challenge. It's like it's a very individual thing, but yeah, I mean when you're sitting at theory, like we've had a couple of years screenings when the audience is laughing cheering going while it's a fucking drug, like, yeah, you're very proud of yourself, your honestly, it kind of gets you choked up because you look across the theme. You see you cruzi. You're casting, like only fuck, like they all came to bat for me. And it's like you feel that weight of off. I want this up because like they gave you everything. And I mean, the relief I have is when people laugh or go out with the movie, we got a good review. It's like Faulk United my friends now. And that's the biggest thing for counties. Feels very much the same about me in the rest of the cash like Faulk openly guys down. You know that's why stands back up, you know, for I guess, for anybody in that position, you know, the, the strongest most satisfying thing is to choose to get that one more time like that's a choice like you can stay down. He could phone it in. You can do one less take. But I think for us, it's you know choosing to stand. A more time choosing to take that one more risk to, to make something good to make something great. And you know that ride you go through those people who'd be the closest people have in your life. You know, for your professional career, which is pretty you've been inside the whig world, for six years, seven years, little or five five years, will you keep going? How do you figure out what to do next? Look, I love we. I love the people that work with the studio folk, I love my producers, I love my crew la- mccaskill of Kano, obviously. And I love the character quick. I mean to say involve for as long as we'll have me, you know, whether it's directing producing writing developing choreographing, you know, I'll fucking Kerry John. Wigs lunchbox. I would like to try the things for sure. It's not really the creative need other than look, I think, to be fair to the character in the franchise. If if we bump into somebody who's got better ideas or has a fresh take on things. I want to do what's best for for John wake. If we listened to one hundred people, and I still have the best ideas and you know, you know, fuck it out again. Kind of honestly, we, we think very different. We voted very secure career. I'm very happy with what I've done in my career, and we're met. So I just kind of go with my gut if I get to other projects, I, I don't try and plot or plan a career like well I've done three weeks. So that's about eight ninety to go do this not much trying to the job. Hopper. You know, come up with some kind of academy nominated Oscar winning. Emmy thinking road of success. I just wanna have fun and work with good people. So if that means Joma great, if it means something else, great and never absorb with the show by asking filmmakers, what's the last great thing? They've seen Jan with Lasker thing you've seen last night, I watched to Cobra KAI. Oh, yes. So what do you like about? And it's a great recommendation. Yeah. Fuck it got a little heart, man. And I was a crowded kid fan. Come on. I forget the what's guessing plays Johnny the actor OAS alka. Is that cut? Yeah. Jobs. I fucking just low what they did with his character. I got love Ralph. I think he's. Phenomenal. But the switch it around like that. And give the eighties vibe in today's thing, how they deal with kids. He's got some fucking lines and that they just make me laugh 'cause I'm from on from that year. Like game of thrones like berry think Laders fucking Larry. Yeah. Choreography on that show too. Yeah, no escape as one of my guys, Daniel Bernhardt who did the last episode. Yeah. Let's uber. Says, actually no. It's great level out of stuff like that. You know, for me, you can say things that are beautiful, Rama or something like that. We can say things that are funny. Kobe I mean I don't even know what they make an episode that four. But like I just if any of those guys are listening, like huge fan, great job. I think you guys rock to do. You do with the budget you have and make people laugh. I mean you know, there's some I mean think of all the big superheroes I come out like we're not talking about those right now. We're talking about these little TD things, where people have a lot of creativity and just a lot of hard into him. I think that, that always sells and I like the big stuff to just I maybe thinks lily lily watching episode lesson. So this morning, and I thought that was I thought it was clever. I think that's the same relationship. People have John wick, Chad. Thanks for doing this man. Of course. Thank you very much. Thank you, again, to CHAD'S to Helsinki. Now, let's give my pal shakes around will call so we can chat more about John wick three. And if you have not seen the movie remember, and I will be spoiling, and now super hyped to be joined by think for the first time share Toronto on the big picture. Shay, what up? Yes, this is the first time. This is a very big moment for me. Sean, this very big fantastic. I'm so glad that you're here, I've been waiting. I've been biding my time waiting to have you on, because we needed you here for, for John wick, you are the Lord of John wick. You have been doing a podcast, all about John wick with a pencil, I would encourage anybody who is not subscribed to that, that is listening to this. I can't believe there are more than seven or eight of you on earth to subscribe to that show. Check it out. I still needed you here to help us understand. I just spoke to CHAD'S the healthy the director of this movie, but I need to know specifically what you thought about the movie. So for me, describe your feelings, exiting, John wick three my feelings. Exiting John Lee threes. I was. So, so thankful. That's how I felt I was nervous going in John wick, one was fantastic. John wick, to was even better, and it felt to me, very similar to win like to win. There's a rapper or musician who their first two albums really. Good. And you're, you're excited because, you know, if they stick the third one that they belong in the top level of every conversation in that particular field. And that's what that's what I felt was at stake with John wick three there, either. Going to nail this thing and John wick becomes like an all time. Great action movie franchise, or they're gonna fumble the ball, and then we're going to end up with a Tokyo, drift situation, and it's going to take four more five more movies before. They like figure it out. And they fucking nailed it. My good friend, Chad nailed it. Would you say this is sort of Jay Z's volume too hard knock life, ex- execution here? Third album really living up. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good. That's a good analogy to plug in there. What kind of expectations did you have just kinda creatively with the story, we would where did you think was going to go because this movie is significantly bigger, I think even significantly bigger than, than to which takes us to Rome and takes us back to New York, but is ultimately, you know, pretty contained this movie is sort of all over the map, literally. Yeah. So with with these sorts of movies with John wick, especially we are at the point now where you don't even try to guess what they're going to do in the next one because you just have no idea what part of that world. They're going to. Open up for you. It's similar to the way it feels when you watch a Jordan Peele movie. And, you know, after ten minutes, like I'm just gonna stop trying to guess what's going to happen because I have no idea what's coming next. And that's part of the excitement of watching one of those movies, you sit down. And you have no clue what's going to happen, because even in the trailer, they give you one second shots of action scenes in, like, well, okay. Bobin is definitely going to get hit with a book. There's definitely going to be a motorcycle, and there's definitely going to be a desert, but I have no idea how the stitch all of this to gather, and those that, that to me is, like, that's really up there as far as how as far as moviemaking goes like when you can get to that point, when you just have the audience totally just at your mercy is when you have like the best movie experiences. I feel like let me ask you a question. I want to hear about your your, your favorite things about the movies specifically. But before that, are you at all nervous for Kiana Reeves, because I found myself watching this movie, and it's being Louis I feel like he could. Die at any moment. He's fifty years. There are a lot of extremely intense sequences, especially that sequence at the end of the movie where he's fighting to men at the same time in the in the continental at just I, I just got tired, watching him. Do you have any fear for Keanu safety? I have no fear for safety Kano caught this movie. He caught this movie at the exact right point in his life because you, especially see it when he's running somewhere and it looks labored and it looks like he's hurting his whole body is hurting you need that, that's part of the John wick ethos. This isn't this isn't John matrix, fighting off a hundred thousand soldiers all at once and never even bleeding. This is a guy who is you know, twenty percent away from death for basically eighty percent of the movie you need that sort of energy with it. And Keanu being as old as he is able to pull that off without even really trying. It's true. He's, he's literally dragging asset times and that it really does help the story helps the character. This is not a. Listen, if this is a superman figure the movies don't work. And he's obviously, he's got he's got some some weaknesses in the literal. Physical weaknesses are. It's a, let's do a little countdown. Gimme four things from the movie that you really, really loved, and it can be anything it can be a character or it can be a fight. Just just hit me with what you loved. All right. Are you going to do for as well? Or is it just gonna be me? Are we going to bat bouncing back and forth? You might inspire me to share some of my own. Okay. Cool. Well, then I'm going to start with an easy one. I'm going to start with a fight. I I really love how violent this movie is. And that's probably like it's a weird thing to say, but that's really what I felt so with, with the first John with movie, Sean, the whole point of this one was to introduce you to the world here, here's the main character. This is like a peek at the world he lives in the whole point of the second movie was to show, you how big and how expansive it is. And how nuanced all of the parts are, and they're all sort of working together, and then, with the third one, the whole point of the third one is to show you exactly how brutal and vicious this life can be. It's not like just a cool thing. This is a dangerous deadly world. That is going to inflict pain on every person in it. So once the movie stars, and we see him getting stitched up, and we have the big knife, fight in the beginning like they're setting the tone early, this whole movie is going to be fucking breakneck for the whole way through. So I want to start with a fight that I really, really liked. There are three I think three or four big ones in there. There's a knife fight in the beginning. And you have this shot of him. Slow motion stabbing the guy in the eye, which is again unreal. You have the dawn was not the word I would use. I don't think I would use borderline vomited Cy. I was I was quite my stomach, turn to when I watched that happen. It was it was hard to watch, right? It was very or not watch. Yes. You I've, I've never seen that in a movie before I've seen, you know, I entries. But they happen really quick and it's just like you see the after effects of it this one, they show you. They let you hear the sound of the blades going in, I because the is trying to fight it off. And you hear it going in there, slowly, I think this is probably like the second most intense slow moving stabbing saying that I've ever seen in a movie, the first one is in saving private Ryan. When Mellish gets it when he's like begging for his life, and the guys pushing the knife into like this is like a version of that. So there's that fight there's a dogfight scene, which is unreal. There is the John wick versus zero. And then there's the one you mentioned the John wick versus the two guys at the end. And I really, really like if I have to pick one of those out of all of them, I gotta go John wick versus zero Mark. The COSCO's as zero is, maybe my second favorite part of the entire movie. And to see those two guys going at it back and forth for as long as they're allowed to and all the little tricks and jokes that they're playing. They keep doing the gag where one of them disappears on the other one. Yup. They do it like five times in a row. And it gets funnier and funnier. You like there's no way he's going to do it again. Because at that point after like the third time of disappearing now you're only doing it to fuck with other guy. And that is hilarious to do in the middle of life or death fight. So for anybody who doesn't know about Marcus like just talk about where you may have recognized him from, and what his history is in films like this, because I thought that casting him zero was just a genius. Turn it absolutely was a genius. Turn Mark Dakota's is a be level action movie star kung FU star, and he's had a couple of like halfway big movies here. He had only the strong in the mid nineties, one of my favorite movies, certainly my favorite Mark COSCO's movie. He was in cradle to grave, he was the main bad guy there that Jedi fights at the end, he was in the double dragon movie, which is the first movie I saw him in, in love with them immediately. So Martinez was has this, like, really this. Earnestness about him dislike. Early in his eyes that he's able to do and all of the other movies. He's been in his movie called drive in nineteen ninety seven where he plays like this Biannic, man that has a like an engine in his chest, and his a super fighter, and he's able to like you drop them into a movie like that. And it feels a little weird to watch him. Be like this. Excellent, excellent movie fighter, and then he turned around, and he's just as like the sweetest nicest guy with his eyeballs, it's like a weird thing, but in the John wick movie universe, they played it perfectly. They let him be this vicious, vicious fighter, and then they give him two or three moments where he gets to turn that off, like break character. And just become regular Mark and just sort of gushes about John wick, to John wick. Yes. And it's fucking it's, it's beautiful and watching those two guys. Fight man is like you've been waiting for this moment for, for twenty years. He's been waiting to get a big league shot in a movie that takes it self seriously and places all of his characters and the best. Possible position. And he finally got it and he nailed he's the biggest surprise in the movie. He's the biggest surprise in a movie with Bobin getting killed by a book. I think that's accurate. I love what you're saying. So it's funny. Marcus is seven months older than kion Reeves. They were both born in nineteen sixty four and I see the sort of outside of the movie narrative around these two having a showdown at the end of this movie as sort of b movie America and a movie America finally throwing down, and I feel like that is actually an amazing representation of what John wick is right. It's the best of bee movie kung FU martial arts, crime, movies meeting, these sort of, like high toned glossy, Kiana, read style, major studio movies and the two biggest avatars for those kinds of movies to caucus in res kind of coming together for an epic fight. A war is just such a genius metaphorical execution on top of the scenes themselves being so good. Yeah. It was. I couldn't believe it watch watching it happen. I was so happy for Mark. This was a performance where if this was the first time you've ever seen him you walk out of the. Understand this. This is the star. This is the guy who's going to be the star of whatever next action franchise. We get he just played all of those pieces great. That's, that's such a like a great part of the John Wayne movies, is how they just let each of these characters be with any to Halle Berry was perfect Asia. Kate Dillon was perfect Laurence. Fishburne emiss- there, all perfect in exactly the way they need to be perfect. And it just as beautiful. Yeah. I feel like they're having a lot of fun. You know, there's something evident, you can see in Asia, Kate Dillon, or in Ian McShane, the level of glee that they have just reading the dialogue. You know what I mean? Yeah. They all know exactly what they're doing. So we noted that the fight with zero as your number four moment. What's, what's number three? Number three, this is a tiny thing really, really, really tiny thing we were hinting at, at a minute ago, just right now about how, how good they are sort of drawing out, these characters in letting you understand exactly the purpose of each character. Asia, Kate Dillon who is my, my favorite TV actor. Their incredible in billions. I was excited when they were in this movie and a thing that they do that, a really really like and just it the further along in the movie, we got the more excited, I was each time, they did it is Asia, never one time turns around and looks back at anybody after they walk away from a conversation Asia is in the most dangerous small population of the world. Just dealing with assassins, all day long keeps talking shit to everybody and each time when they're finished, they just turn around and leave, and they never one time. Glanced back to see, like, am I about to die? And that is just the cocky as greatest thing that I've seen. I think there's something also wise about using a figure that is not physically imposing sort of the ultimate big bad of the movie, you know, using Asia, and the adjudicator as this Representative of a shadowy organization that we never meet to be. Oh, totally have access to and saying, you know, this fairly small person is extremely powerful and at the drop of a hat can call upon forty, you know, military grade swat operatives wearing full body armor. I think particularly that raid, when the when the high table swat team hits the continental and John wick has to face put his gun behind their helmet to affectively kill them, Musone intense. And obviously all of that comes from the adjudicator, it's a it's a good twist. And it's, it's very difficult in these moves. I think to continue to raise the stakes to say that there is something bigger and more powerful than Tarasov, or bigger and more powerful than Santino bigger and more powerful than ex, you know, they have to keep going up level, to a new big bad and Asia Dylan is, is a nice subtle. You know, a nice subtle reversion of what we are expecting. You know, the bone is the biggest person in the. And also, the first to be dispatched and there's something clever about that, too. What about number two? Number two. I don't know if this counts as a full one or half one, but I wanna make sure that I mentioned Atlantic back again, as the, the hotel manager, the concierge is in incredible character foreseeable, but there's a part during the senior mentioned when the, the raid comes in, although the guys come in and they had their super armor on and bullets don't work anymore. You, you need a bigger gun. You need a more powerful, gun, you need to be a little bit closer for this to work, and so they're out there John wick and hammer on the same team now. Because at this point in McShane, and John wick are just they're at war with the high table. And so you've got Lance Radic. You've got John John wick out there fighting the raid by themselves to one however, minute is to twenty and they do it for a few minutes, and nothing happens. And then they cut back into the vault where all the guns and everything are, and Lance walks in, and it's the first. Time you see him in the movie he looks fucking pissed. He is so mad that these guns are not working and he walks in and he looks around he grabs a bigger gun. And then he just fucking leaves immediately to go kill people. I that was, I was almost standing up in my seat clapping and yelling like let's flocking. Go as it was what I felt like when I saw that. Like, John finally has a partner who was gonna step up. I loved it. Yeah. And through the first two and two thirds of these movies. Sharon, the, the concierge has been basically dispassionate observer of everything that goes on. So when he straps it on. It's kind of, it's kind of a well-known that they don't actually make too much out of they just make it clear that he knows where the guns are he knows what weapon you to go to. It's clear that he is even though he stands behind desk at a hotel, all day is also a bad ass. I enjoyed that too ios really it was really neat. And there was one part where they show him sort of huddled up against a wall. And he's, he's holding a gun, and he's sort of, you know, he's doing the thing where he's looking to see where the bad guys are. And he looks a little insecure and a moment and I was in my head San I don't know if he's going to be able to pull this off because you need to have a certain kind of confidence in your body for these scenes to work. Otherwise, it just looks like you're counting in your head. One two, three four one two three doesn't work. Halle. Berry is a perfect example. Halle Berry running up on these guys doing this. Jujitsu Halle Berry was very body confident in this movie. She knew she could do all of the parts necessary as it was really exciting to watch her fight scene with the dogs, you're like holy shit. This is incredible. She I felt I should have been training, her whole entire life, for those eight minutes of combat and the movie and with Lance reading they do that, for a shot of him peeking around the corner, and you feel like maybe he's not going to be able to do the same thing. And then when he gets mad it just played. It was like they did it on purpose. They set you up to sort of pull the carpet out from under you yet again. And I loved it. Yeah. We talked to chat a little bit about just the difficult. Not of choreographing, some of these scenes. He said specifically that, you know, the dog sequence you can imagine was very, very challenging because dogs are dogs. They're not act since they a lot of times, even if they're well trained they do what they wanna do. And there's no such thing as play attacking when they attack you, they attack you and Halley's dogs are attacking, like crazy in the movie should we go to number one. I guess we should go to number one. Let's go to number one. Tell me your favorite thing. What was your favorite thing about John wick three my favorite thing about John, like three? Son of a gun. Let me tell you one before we do that, that, when let me make sure I mentioned the guy from the raid. The raid part two. Yeah. Fights, John wick at the end an incredible performance. I was so glad to see him in this movie as soon as he shows up in the background of the scene. You know, him and John wake are eventually going to fight, and you are just waiting for the entire time because if you've seen the rate movies, you know that this guy is fucking about his business the this scene in the raid to when when him and Rama fight in the in the kitchen is unreal. So you're waiting the whole time. I love that guy. Wanna make sure we say his name, but my favorite part of this movie, something that they didn't do in the first two movies is they gave us several sort of twists. Several unexpected things that you had no idea where about to happen. Like we find out, for example, that John wick. That's not his real name is a whole different name, which at this point was a total shock to me. You also have the moment where. John and Winston team up to go to war, which I didn't see coming. And then you have Winston immediately betraying, John and then John and the Bowery king teaming up. And also there's the party fucking Sean. We've been talking for this movie about twenty minutes. And we haven't mentioned that John wick cuts his own finger off in the movie to prove a point, what what's going on. This movie is incredible. I love everything. Yeah. I think I couldn't totally wrap my head around the cutting his finger off thing because he essentially defied the requests of the person for whom he cut the fingers off of you know what I mean. He he goes in, he he's he spent some time at the top of a sand. Dune in the middle of what country was. He was he was he was he in Casablanca there. I don't even know what country had made it to at that point. I have no idea. I was I was in tears, by this point of the movie, I couldn't take anymore. But yeah, so he does cut his finger off to prove a point, and then ultimately doesn't necessarily follow through on that point. I mean, the two guys we should talk about who we mentioned a couple times from the retour yon Ryan and assess up refried Mun. And they're this sort of the two the two should not be that he fight at the end of the movie both of whom have appeared in move the raid movies. And if you know the John Wayne movies, you know, that the filmmakers, obviously had a lot of love respect and admiration for the raid movies, because you can kind of feel that of the very similar close range, fighting style that, that the raid, just I don't know. I don't know if they perfected it, but they certainly put it on the map in a new way. I guess I don't I'm trying to think of what my favorite absolute favorite thing about this movie is, I think the fact that so many the, the mythology I thought was coherently enough explained but not solved. You know, they managed right? You've mystery. Around the edges, the movie obviously ends with the option for fourth movie. I would be really shocked if there was not a fourth, John with movie, whether they choose the tell it specifically from John's point of view is of TVD for us. But you know, we got kind of a glimpse at what it meant. What the high table was really all about, but not into tally. I also you know what I really enjoyed was the actor who plays Braun on game of thrones appearing in a significant role as sort of the coin master, Halle, Berry's boss in the movie. I want to know more about that world to and everything that's happening there. What did you think of that stuff? Yeah. I again, I'm gonna just keep saying I loved all of the parts I love that. They give you just enough of each of the things where you're like I kind of understand it, and I kinda wanna know more. That's the perfect spot to be in, because then you can turn it into anything we still don't know what the high table is, and we don't know if anything is above the high table, and we don't know exactly what they do all that we know is the name and they set it up perfect as you mentioned, for, for part for. I know it's going to happen in part for him. And tell you right Now, Sean. I talked to my good friend, I talked to my good friend chat about it. This is going to happen. Tell me the Bowery king, and John wick team up. Of course, we saw that happening. They're going to war against the high table. The high table is going to have some, some supergroup of assassins going to be like, four people, that's who they're going to dispute it. They're not going to send a hundred and eighty people, they're going to send these four or maybe they send those four behind the hundred and eighty people. But the main one of that one is going to be the main guy from the rate's going to be Rama. And we're finally going to get the greatest movie fighter of all time versus John wick, we've been waiting. We've never gotten a level of fight of this level ever in a movie, and it's going to happen and is going to be I'm, I'm an tearing up right now. I feel like Mallory Ruben talking about her beloved ghost. That's what's going on here. I'm really excited that this is going to happen, as I can feel it in my bones. It's actually shocking that echo US has not appeared in. John wick movie. It's kind of stunning. That Rama has not had a moment in this series. There has to be a reason for that because he might be, and he was in, like mile twenty two last year, which is a movie that maybe you liked. I was not a huge fan of. He's, you know, he's in Steuben later, this summer, a Dave Bautista action comedy. He certainly making his way through a lot of the, you know, key, Hollywood properties that have fight sequences. And he also appeared in a big role in Keanu Reeves's. Directory all debut man of Taichi movie I like a lot, not a lot of people have seen in a somewhat significant roles. So theoretically of a final showdown between Rama John wick, I think would be sick. It's going to happen. I did see model twenty two. I did like mild twenty two. Of course you did, by the way. But here's the thing, here's here's the thing, we can finish on on this point. If you like and I'm going to tie this back to Marcus, the people who may John wick understood how to use Mark better than anybody has ever understood how to use him. That's why him out. So great even more than I earn chef America, even more than iron chef America. I remember as I don't know if you know this guy's a writer named Jeff Weiss. When when the Connie I will eight awaits and heartbreak came out. I never forget this over ten years ago, and I remember reading his review, I don't know whether review came out, I remember any part. But I remember seeing a line in that was really incredibly insightful. And he said, Kanye west, he speaking about a guest verse that young Jesse has an and he says, Kanye west understands how to use young geez, e better than young Jisi understands how to use young cheesy. That's how I felt about the John wick people with Mark Decosta's in mile twenty two. When we finally got Rama and like movie where OSHA he's gonna fight. He's gonna fight. Mark Wahlberg in this movie is what everybody thought and it didn't happen. And we got one really good fight scene with him, but they kept cutting away they kept doing the like taken Liam Neeson's style. We have to make you think this person knows what they're doing. It was like a total waste. It was like you have the best fighter in the world. And you're not letting him do what he does the best like just put a camera on them and let him go nuts. The John wick universe when they do their fight scenes. That they make like one long shot. They don't do all the cuts. They don't do all that bullshit. You, you need to know what you're doing when we start filming when they put him in this movie, and they look at him and they go, here's the best way to use this guy. Here's the way that nobody has figured out how to use him, yet, it's going to be. It's going to be something special, Sean. I'm telling you right now, or maybe he becomes the new John wick, who knows take any part of it any part of him that we can get in a big franchise like this. Sign me the fuck up. I can't wait. I promise that won't be the next time you're on the big picture though, you will definitely be on four maybe maybe save a little room for me. When Hobson Shaw comes around. What do you think? Let's do it. Okay. Thank you. Man. I appreciate you. Thank you, again, to share Toronto and to the director, Chad to Helsinki, go see John wick three. What more can I say about that? And please tune in next week, we'll have a new episode of the big picture. Amanda Dobbins and I will be talking about highschool movies, and there's a reason we're going to be talking about those movies. It's because book smart is coming out soon. This is Libya, wild directory all debut, and I have a sit down interview with Olivia Wilde, and the stars of her film. Caitlyn. Deavere beanie Feldstein. Billy Lord in addition to the co screenwriter of the movie Katie Silverman. Yes, I interviewed five people at the same time, please tune in for that next week.

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Top 10 First Time Watches of 2020 (featuring Josh Bell)

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Top 10 First Time Watches of 2020 (featuring Josh Bell)

"All right welcome to another episode of piecing it together the podcast where we take a look at a new movie and try to figure out what movies inspired it but today on the show is the last of our three special episodes looking back at two thousand twenty. Although this one's a little different we're doing something we've never done here before on the show We are going to look at movies. Not from two thousand twenty but just any movie that we watched for the first time last year and make a list of our favorites so You know obviously with corona virus and everything. We've all been stuck in the house washing way more movies than usual. And so we get to watch a lot of classics that we had never gotten around to or just to escaped us or you know one way or another we never got around to it and now we watched it and here. We are to talk about it so joining me. Is josh bell from awesome movie year and we each have ten movies to talk about here and there's some really interesting ones on this list so that is coming up here in a second but before we do get to that i want to remind you as always to make sure your subscribe to piecing together on your podcast app of choice and we've got a lot of piecing together coming your way in the coming weeks so make sure subscribed you can also follow us over on social media at piecing pod and join our facebook group popcorn and puzzle pieces where we continue the conversation about all the movies. We talk about here on the show and You know we also have a patriot on over on the patriot. We we post all kinds of bonus content from piecing it together awesome movie year also my music career. Lots of great stuff. It's called produced by david. Rosen it combines all of that content into one great patriots so check that out so with all that said Let's get into this conversation. 'cause we got a lot of movies to talk about and there may be some great recommendations in here for you to go check out all right. So josh bell is back with us josh. How's it going. Oh it's going good dave. It's been at least ten to fifteen minutes since we last spoke. Yes we have been busy this last couple of weeks. Haven't we between end of year episodes and the one thousand nine hundred four season of awesome movie. Yeah i know. One podcast as much as dave rose in. But i feel like. I've been getting close to it in the last couple. Yeah you're doing. You're doing quite a bit. It's true well what we're going to do today is something new for piecing it together We always do our end a year coverage and best movies of the year and all that stuff. But we're going to look at movies that we watch for the first time this past year and make a little ranking lists of both of our list of our favorites of classics that we may just never got around to and ended up loving now and so i thought this'll be a lotta fun. How many movies did you watch this year. Did you watch a lotta movies. I watched a lot of movies. Although there are people like i feel like every time. I think i could not have possibly watched more movies. Other people on letterbox watched like twice as many but yeah. I watched the news. I was happy with the number. I think it was five hundred and fifty five seer which is certainly the most i've ever watched any. Yeah yeah. I mean in the year like this year has been i mean. What else do we have do. But sit around and watch movies and podcast about him way more movies than ever before. And it's funny going into two thousand twenty. My goal was to try to catch up and start watching more older movies. Because as you know all i ever really is. What's in the theater. And i never watched at home so i was trying. I was actively trying to do that. And then i got the biggest excuse in the world to do so. I'm i'm always trying to watch as many older movies as i can. I've been making a list like this of my favorite You know first time. Watches from other years since i think two thousand eight maybe as a post on my on my website and In various times in the past. I've had certain goals about watching Try to watch a movie. That was made before i was born like once once a week which i there have been years when i've been able to do that this year. I didn't necessarily mean. I watched a lot of movies but i watched a lot more new movies even this year than i ever have before just because i was writing about them in so many different configuration right. I'm always eager to watch as many older movies as i can for sure for sure. Well before we get into our lists. I will also mention that you know again with awesome movie year. I've been trying to step it up a little bit and actually watch all the movies you guys cover over there and so that definitely factors into my list here. I'm sure there'll be some awesome movie or movies on your list. So everyone listening. Make sure to listen. Awesome movie here. But i think one of the great things for me about doing awesome movie year is the chance to see older movies that i wouldn't necessarily have seen or didn't know about or ever and that especially this year when we've done seasons that look back further. We had a season on nine hundred. Seventy seven and a season that we're doing right now in nineteen eighty-four and there was a larger proportion of movies in those seasons that i haven't seen as opposed to when we talk about more recent years and i've usually seen more movies. So yeah get a chance to see more older movie absolutely. Yeah yeah definitely a lot of stuff. That i maybe wouldn't have gotten a chance to watch. So that's that's that makes it awesome. So let's start these lists. What do you got number ten number ten. Speaking of is a movie that we covered an awesome movie air and is a movie that i didn't necessarily expect much out of it was our documentary. Pick in our season on. Nineteen seventy seven pumping iron from directors. George butler and robert fewer eight. And i mean. I was familiar with this movie. Because it's one of the earliest movies. That brought arnold schwarzenegger to kind of public attention. It's a documentary about the bodybuilding scene in the late seventies. And it focuses a lot on schwarzenegger who was a huge champion at the time as well as blue frig know who was kind of a big challenger to schwarzenegger at the time and of course also went on to become an actor and a major pop culture figure. So it's this look at these two major pop culture figures kind of before they were famous. And it's cool as that. But it's just so entertaining. I mean this is a movie. That's really well constructed as like fun crowd-pleasing entertainment and i mean documentary. There's bits of it that are clearly manipulated in certain ways. In order to make it more entertaining. But it all works really well. And i think because these guys are in a way performers even just as bodybuilders bodybuilding about getting on stage and posing and getting the audience to be into you so they're already performers and they're clearly playing it up for the camera. Schwarzenegger is so fun to watch in this. And i mean he's essentially like a reality show villain before that kind of thing existed where he's giving all these interviews just trash-talking everyone around him and talking about how great he is and how much he messes with people and it's really fun but it also portrays again almost like a reality show villain and in a way that i think he would never portray himself now or has this beloved celebrity and politician. Who was the governor of california and is very careful about his image and he's careful about his image but in a different way in this movie You know of brash cockiness. But everyone else do rig. No is is is fun to watch and his whole weird dynamic with his father and lesser known. People like franco kalumbu. Who went on to do a bit of movie acting. And is this if you think this is just like oh. It's this kind of data documentary about bodybuilding. It's so much more than that absolutely. Yeah it's it's hard to imagine anyone nowadays putting themselves out there in that way you know especially with some of the shitty says and this is actually one of my honorable mentions. I loved it too. It was just totally ridiculous. And i don't know if it was at all what i was expecting like going in like i'd always heard of it and always knew that arnold made a bodybuilding documentary. But yeah it's a fun movie for sure. Yeah it is. And i think right. I also really didn't have the i didn't know what to expect. It was a pleasant surprise. So i go with my number ten which is one of five eighty s movies. I had to watch for a guest appearance on the binge movies podcast and it's called dead heat. It came out in one thousand nine hundred from director mark goldblatt and is one of the dumbest movies. I've seen it a long time as you know i do. I do like a movie every now. And then and it's essentially a buddy cop movie that's mashed up with zombie movie genre and in this movie. Joe piscopo is this just wisecracking detective and his partner detective. Roger mortis is slowly turning into a zombie and dying played by treat williams. And it's just so ridiculous every like buddy cop like you know cliche and all that stuff except for zombies and all of that is added into it. There's actually some really great practical creature effects mixed in. And this is a movie that i had never heard of until i watched it this year. This would have been like up there with some of the classic gore silly gore movies that you rent when you're you know twelve years old in high school or whatever you know and and just just be like this is. This is the craziest shit. And i love it and i would have loved this movie as a teenager and i really tapped into that part of myself while watching this as dumb as it is. I really tapped into it and had so much fun with it and One more point though. There's also a really bizarre. Vincent cam Vincent price cameo where he's basically standing in one spot for his whole role and it just adds to the weirdness of this just ridiculous movie. I sounds great. I think. I remember seeing you post on letterbox about it when you watched it and it sounds really entertaining from the way you describe it. Yeah it's just so strange. I hope people who will check it out one of these days. Yeah i do like that. And i love that. I mean i imagine that. That's very later. In vincent price's life and career and i love that now where it's like. We clearly had a tiny amount of money to get this famous person to show and you know we shot the whole roll while they were sitting in an office chair or whatever and we have that in movies now and it's always entertaining to see so fuddy. Well what do you got for nine. So my number nine pick is the right stuff directed by philip kaufman from nineteen eighty three and i watched this movie because i reviewed the new disney plus series of the right stuff Both of which are based on tom. Wolf's nonfiction book about the early days of nasa and the show is not great but the movie is a lot of fun. And i had never seen it was i. I don't know if maybe one best picture was one or nominated for a bunch of oscars in one thousand nine hundred three. If this was awesome. Movie your. I would've looked up this properly but it was early. A very very well known well regarded successful movie at the time But i never watched it. Never it's very very long. I think it's like three hours or almost three hours long. It was never something that i felt like. was on my radar particularly. But i'm glad i had the reason to watch it because it's so fun and weird in a way. I mean you'd think that it would be this boring historical drama which is a lot of what the miniseries the new series turned out to be. But it's got all of these really fun charismatic performances Dennis quaid is one of his earliest breakout roles. And he's just so charming. And it's all about these cocky test pilots you know who were the early astronauts at nasa and there are these guys who they don't they're not holding sacred the idea of going into space and exploration and things like that that you have that sense of on wonder in movies about astronauts i feel like now and you have some of that in this movie too but it's also just about these kind of shit kicking army guys or or navy airforce guy guys actually. Maybe i don't know military stuff. Sure military guys. You know whose jobs have previously existed. It consisted of pushing themselves like putting themselves in constant danger you know. And so they really have that sense of recklessness and it captures that it's funny but it also gives you the real history of staff And it includes aspect of the story of the book that the series the new series despite having more time leaves out which is telling the story of chuck yeager who is just just died recently but was like the early as one of the earliest most famous pilots who decided not to join nasa because he thought this astronaut program was kinda joke and then lost out on the opportunity to get the fame and fortune that these other guys got by being the first people in space but it uses that as kind of a counterpoint like his sort of missed opportunity and him as this kind of lost icon of american masculinity and sam shepherd plays him and so it's got that extra element to it that the series loses out on. So it's very long. And i understand if people might think it's too much but it's worth it and it's another thing i love. Is that after three hours. It ends on this kind of like weird just anti-climactic note like we went to space. I like that about it. So the right stuff by philip kaufman. nice nice. yeah. I have not seen it. I heard really great things. And it's come up as a puzzle piece a few times when piecing it together and it sounds like it's just a great take on that kind of astronaut story and like you know keeping fun and fresh from that point of view. Yeah i think so and again one of these movies at one. A bunch of oscars. You think it's going to be all stuffy and it's really not right right. Well i'll go over my number nine which is a fairly recent movie from seventeen armando enu cheese the death of stalin with i had never got a chance to watch. It's it's a satire that imagine this power struggle among all these political figures after the death of joseph stalin. And it's just it's just such a silly fun. Little movie All these actors are just relishing in the opportunity to play. Basically man children versions of these powerful people. Steve buscemi petty constan. Jesus guys jason isaacs so much fun with their roles and it's just as movie that like you just watching and you just have this like silly smile on your face. Old time that it's unfolding and and another thing i liked about it is i am not very good when it comes to history but that does not make it difficult to follow whatsoever because it's still just a bunch of men behaving badly and being children basically. Yeah i haven't seen that In part because i'm not really a fan of armindo nucci the whole his whole political satire mode. I never really cared for in the loop or of veep. But i will say i. I did see assume you probably did see as well his david copperfield movie. Here which is not cynical or you know political really in any way and i loved that i thought that was so hopeful and endearing and charming and so i don't think that any of his other stuff is like that but i really enjoyed. That movie is so different from his other stuff. It's crazy that it's the same person but But yeah it's very good though. Yeah so. I recommend that one right. I'm really number. What do you got so my number. Eight movie is also from twenty-seven more recent film. And i love christmas. Horror movies I've written about them in many different venues and including Did a list. For how to geek. Which is a website that i write for a lot about just how to watch various streaming things and i was excited to do a list about how to watch some christmas horror movies because i could really recommend stuff and this was one movie that i've been meaning to get to and gave me the chance to watch. It called anna and the apocalypse from director. John macphail from thousand seventeen and it is a christmas themed zombie teen musical. And so it's a lot of stuff combined that wouldn't necessarily work together but it's great at all of that stuff. It's a great zombie. Horror movie It's a great christmas. A great great christmas movie. You know. I love. When christmas horror movies can incorporate like christmas christmas things into the horror and the main character here for a long period. Has this like giant plastic or ceramic candy cane that she's using bash zombies in the head with that is just a great image. But it's also a great teen coming of age story with a lot of really sensitive well-developed character arcs for these various characters. that in this small town in scotland. And it's a great musical full of these really catchy songs. And right all the way through and you have the characters singing about their their basic. You know teen angst but even as it gets into fighting zombies. They're singing as they're fighting. Zombies and it never loses sight of being musical is just super fun all around really good performances from a bunch of actors who were not known at the time Ella camp is the main star. Who's gone on to do a few more things playing anna and it just. It's it was one of those movies. That like you were saying about ted. It's like a smile on my face the whole time. You're like so much fun to watch. And i'm glad that it was something that had been on my list or in my queue on streaming for since it came out and i'm glad i finally got a reason to watch it because it was just so much fun i've never seen a and it sounds like so much fun and it also sounds like it would make a great missing pieces episode of this podcast to like look back at that and because it sounds like it kind of takes influence from a whole lot of different places. Yeah it does. I thought of is like it's like glee meets shaun of the dead nice and i'm not really a glee as but The better the better aspects of that right and it's original songs. They're not singing pop songs. There are all original songs written for this so but it has that kind of edgar. Righty sensibility to nice. So for my number eight for anyone who listen to our top. Ten films of the year episode knows how much i loved. Bob bein tunes francis ferguson. I started going back to some of his other films. He has quite a few of them. And there's another one that i loved almost as much as francis ferguson. It's called seven chinese brothers. It's from two thousand fifteen. It stars jason schwartzman as this kind of like lovable loser type. Who very much like francis. Ferguson in francis ferguson just has no respect for any or anything is kind of just you know had it with the world's total pain in the ass in this case he's kind of more of a straight up dick more so than board or anything like that but schwartzman's character. He just kinda loves to prank people but they're just not funny at all and this is a movie that your enjoyment of is definitely going to depend on how much you can handle this character. Because he's just such a such an idiot but if you if you get into this movie and get into this character and just just connect at least the way i did with. How just ridiculous. It's point of view. Is i think there's a lot of fun to be had. And he's got a dog which is a really great dog performance. Just throwing that out there as well as actually to really great dog performances on my list. So yeah that's important. Yes eventually next year. You're going to do the top ten dogs of the year episode. I would i would love to do that. I have not seen that movie based on your description. And my experience watching francis ferguson. I do not want to see that. I could tell you for sure for number seven so my number seven is i think the only movie on this list. That's like a straight up. Classic that i should have seen probably many many years ago and had never seen before. And that is ridley. Scott's thelma and louise starring geena davis and susan sarandon which again another theme here for me. A lot of times as i watched this article. That i was writing in the before times. I wrote an article about road trip movies for a whole issue of a magazine about traveling. Tired weird things that no longer exists. I watched this as part of that. Because i knew it was a a major movie in that sort of sub genre that i wanted to include and it is a classic is the classic for a reason. So it's really funny and fun. I mean for a movie about dark subject matter. I mean there's there's attempted rape and there's murder and there's criminals on the run but it just has this this joyous sense of these two characters who've cut themselves loose from their downtrodden lives and have found a way to give the middle finger to society and to the patriarchy though it's by committing all this violence in a way that's not going to end well for them and you know you and of course everyone. Even if you've never seen those movie you know what the ending is because it's so icon. Not even like a spoiler to mention what the ending of this movie is so yeah. They're they're not gonna make it out alive and but you know that that sense of like just giving it everything that you have because this is the last moment than and only moment that you're going to have Is there and it's also like as much as it's it's really like empowering it's also the fact that the only way that they can screw the patriarchy is by ultimately like killing themselves is really quite dark. Message so but it makes those things very well and susan sarandon and gena davis are both spectacular. I feel like gena. Davis is someone who's underrated now. Susan serandon still gets a lot of great parts and a lot of acclaim but gena davis not as much. But they're both really really good and they have such good chemistry together and of course it has one of brad pitt's first roles as the sleazy guy that they pick up and he robs them but also has sex with them so it kinda it kinda unbalanced sure works out. No a very entertaining movie. I feel it's not the kind of movie that i need to like what i've never heard of this. But if you have heard of it and especially if you know the ending. I feel like that's a lot of things something for classic movies. If you feel like well. I know how it turns out so i'm not gonna watch what happens here. What rosebud is so. I'm not gonna watch citizen kane or something like that like you should still watch this. Yeah well i. I'm not sure if i've ever actually seen it like you said it's just so ingrained in pop culture like i know a lot of the big beats in it and the ending of course but I may have to put it on the list of things to to double check anyway to see if i mean. It's one of those things that like. We've talked about a lot in nineteen eighty-four four season on awesome movie year. That was on tv. And maybe you've seen bits and pieces of it. It's permeates so you don't really you're you don't have a sense of where you've seen it or not. But if you haven't there's a lot to discover their in the lesser the non iconic moments so speaking of the nineteen eighty-four season of awesome movie year. My mind number. Seven is a movie that i liked a little more than you. And your co host. Jason harris the vendors paris texas. A movie that has harry dean. Stanton harry dean stanton ing through the whole thing and And i mean it's a classic. And i understand for people who don't like it like that it is slow and it it is. You know i guess it could be described as meandering but there's some element to it of the mystery of the whole thing of this character who's just found out walking around in texas and he doesn't know where why he's out there we don't know is out there and slowly but surely is revealed this very dark impossible to have guessed story of what has happened to this character. There's just there's so much to that. That i was surprised each step of the way and it just kept me going the whole time and aside from that. I mean it's just it's beautiful to look at it. I mean it just looks fantastic. And there's just a lot of really interesting things happening with the performances outside of harry dean stanton as well and there's just a lot of this movie that i really truly loved and I i think it's a classic for reason. Yeah i mean. We went through in that episode. Both jason and i about why we didn't really care for it but certainly your perspective is the more common right. I think we got. I had multiple people in my life. Kind of shame movie after we put out our episode including one person who turned off the episode in discussed ten minutes. So maybe they would've preferred if you took the lead there. But i will say yeah i mean i don't need to go over what i didn't work for me but i will say i agree with you on the look of it. It does looks beautiful. We talked a lot about robby muller cinematographer and how great a job he did there so that is certainly true. Yeah so what do you got for number six. So my number. Six film was going from a well-known classic to something very obscure movie from nineteen seventy-one by director. John d hancock called. Let's scare jessica to death. Which is one of the all-time great horror movie. Titles and i'm pretty sure that was the primary reason that i wanted to watch it. I was on the criterion channel and it may still be on the criterion channel as part of a program of a kind of underground e seventies horror. Which is something that i like anyway. But based on the tidal and based on that designation you'd expect this movie to be something very different from what it actually is and it's really more of this slow burn psychological thriller about this woman. Jessica played by zohra lampert who i was not familiar with but is really good in in this movie. And she's just been released from a mental institution for tb reasons but obviously is not quiet stable and her husband and their best friend. They pick her up and they decide. They're gonna kinda get this new start by moving to this farmhouse in connecticut. And they're they're it's nine hundred seventy one so they're super hippies and you know. Start almost like this. Commune and they arrive in this little town. That is super creepy. And all the like old men who live in the town. Give them glares. And it's already just got this very unsettling like something is not right tone and then when they get to the house. There's this drifter who's living there a squatter because the house has been empty. And they just befriend her and decide to let her stay and she seems like she's kinda hippyish too but then obviously something else is going on with her and there's a dark history to this house and everyone in the town very suspicious of them in suspicious of the house and so it's kind of a haunted house story but also about this mysterious woman in the house but really what it's about jessica kind of losing her grip on reality and this kind of gas lighting. That goes on is that because she was just in this mental institution when she says. No supernatural shit is going down. Everyone's like oh sure of and it's just very moody and atmospheric and there's not a lot of scares in it but it just gives you the sense of wrongness that i really liked and it has this this kind of theory old narration to it. And it's one of these movies that opens and ends kind of on the same moment and it's it's unresolved and it's unclear. Sort of what is going to happen to anyone in this movie and in life as it ends and it just really envelopes you in a mood so i like that one a lot. It was a. It's a kind of cult. Classic that was avail unavailable for a really long time. And now criterion has brought it out and hopefully more people will see it. Well the description sounds great but you could have just said the title and i would have accepted it on this list because that's a great time right exactly. It's a great. I think it is a fantastic title of my only caveat. Is that the movie that you think you're getting from. That title is not what you're getting. You're getting something that awesome awesome well for my number six. I actually have a tie for unfair. It's a good reason though. Okay because in two thousand. Thirteen denise view which i probably should have looked up how to pronounce that name better. How do you pronounce his name. Josh i think it's via nerve french canadian. Yeah released two movies. That i somehow didn't see then and didn't see until this year enemy and prisoners to movies. That are right up my alley. The exact kind of thing that i love to see. And i just i just let them go unwashed but then on my birthday this year we rented a house with a home theater and i made a big list of movies to watch some of my all time favorites and some are things. I've always wanted to watch. Never got around to and we watch both of those back to back. And i loved both of them. Enemy more so than prisoners but They're both great enemy with to jake dylan halls kind of weird. You know head trip of a movie. That i'm not a hundred percent. Sure if i even fully understand yet at this point but one day i will An prisoners just a really good tour de force performance from hugh jackman and paul. Dano that just really going head to head and a good story kind of felt like a little bit like a. I don't know like like an. Hbo mini series or something like that turned into a movie. But i mean a good. Hbo mini series turned into a movie. But both very good movies from a great director that. I really have no idea how i didn't watch before but i finally got him watch this year. All right. well. I suppose that's fair. They do connect right and also connect in that. I don't like know. I think this weird because i was from a period. Where when he made a lot of movies like those especially like prisoners which is like super dark and super serious and super long. And i just found. I find those kinds of movies. Just like insufferable a lot. Because i think they're just taking themselves so seriously and i've enjoyed his more recent movies. I think when he's worked in a more like pulpy blockbuster mode i mean i like sicario. Allot i liked arrival. I like bladerunner. Twenty forty nine. I'm looking forward to june. But i think is more like Contained like serious dramas. Just do not work for me. I'll definitely take the cario over any of them but yeah no. I love the thing. Those are all good. It's just the earlier films. Like also on d which was his big breakout. You know which is a french in infringe. But you know got an oscar nomination. I think in is dreadful as far as one of these is one of these movies that has these plot twists where it's like the characters are miserable and the twist. Is there even more miserable for an even more ridiculous reason. That movie might like yeah. People really liked it. So maybe check that out. But i do. I do like the giant spider in enemies spoiler. I don't even know what it means. But it's you could spoil that it would not change a thing serious so true right. What do you got for number five so number. Five is a movie like thematically that weirdly connects. Although i hadn't realized how many thematic connections. I ended up with here but it connects to. Let's scare jessica to death. It's called home before dark. From one thousand nine hundred eighty eight by director mervyn leroy and this is a movie that i watched of because i wrote in october when rhonda fleming passed away Who is a classic. Hollywood actor and was connected to las vegas and so i wrote a kind of a tribute to her and i watched a bunch of rhonda fleming movies in a short period of time and this is a movie that she has said was her favorite role although she's not the main star of it. Gene simmons is gene simmons from kiss of course but gene simmons j. a. n. Simmons is is the start of this and like let's scare jessica to death. It's about a woman who's just been released from a mental institution and is trying to readjust and she has all these family around her. Who are helping her but really are kind of just condescending to her and gas lighting her and not trusting her when she says things about her own life and this is not a horror movie. It's a more of like a psycho drama. And the things that she's talking about are not ghosts there the fact that her husband is probably cheating on her and that her family is trying to cheat her out of her inheritance and rhonda fleming plays her stepsister who's a schemer and it's a decent performance from fleming but gene simmons really carries. This movie is just such a fantastic performance. And it's the kind of thing that in nineteen fifty eight would be thought of as quote a women's picture and could be really melodramatic but she plays it. Underplays it but she just plays it with the right amount of seriousness and sensitivity. And this movie. That is remarkably progressive about mental illness. And about the treatment of people with mental illness for the time period. And i mean she's the hero. She's the main character but it's not about oh she's hysterical and she needs to be kind of put in her place like she is right and she is. The one who is being. Mistreated and ultimately is vindicated by the end so is very effective drama. Shot gorgeous in black and white home before. Dark from nineteen fifty-eight right on. Yeah i. I'd not aware of the movie but it sounds great and it is interesting that theme. I mean we had that this year with invisible man i mean. I'm sure that was kind of in the air for you. Yeah i guess it wasn't. I hadn't even thought about it. Even though i've watched both of these movies but when i was putting this together and there's one more actually that's coming with a similar theme so which again totally unexpected nice. So my number five comes also from awesome. Movie year is three women. Robert altman smy. I robert altman movie that watched from nine hundred seventy seven. And i've always heard his name. You know turn. Around is one of the big influences for paul thomas anderson and you know how much i love paul. Thomas anderson's movies and this is basically like getting a whole new paul thomas anderson. It's like exactly the kind of thing he's made over these last fifteen twenty years. And you know it's a very weird story about these three women whose personalities their identities seem to be kind of changing away got these great performances. Shelly devolved he space sick. And it's it's just a weird movie one that it's the kind of movie that really is soon as the the credits roll. You do not stop thinking about it for a while after that. I thought about all night that night for weeks after and it just kind of just washing around your brain just trying to figure out what is going on here. But there's just so much interesting stuff happening and so much to dig into. Its just really my kind of movie. Yeah i liked that movie. And i'd seen it already so it wouldn't qualify for this. Listen but i was glad when we did that episode that it really like that it spoke to you so much and that was a movie that i think the first time i saw it. I liked it but i was a little. I mean i was baffled by it. And i think it was expected something else for some reason based on other altman movies that i've seen and i think i appreciate it a little more this time. We talked about this in the episode. I think i knew better what to expect from it and i was able to get on its wavelength A little more. So yeah. that's a good one in sort of i. I don't know if it's maybe not anymore underrated movie because i feel like it's really gotten a lot of attention in more recent years but still if people have seen stuff like the player or Gosford park or whatever and want to delve a little more deeply into altman. That's a good one to check out on some. What do you get for number four. So we'll go back to awesome move a year and my number four. Pick was from our nineteen ninety-six season. It's mike leigh's secrets and lies. Which was the can palm door winner in that year and that was why we talked about it. And i've seen a few other. Mike lee movies and i always enjoy his films. I think he is a brilliant and very unique kind of filmmaker. We talked about his process. That is something that. I don't know if anyone else really quite does the way he develops characters through improvisation and works with the actors from the earliest stages of creating a film. And i think that always leads to these characters that feel really well rounded that feel like they have so much depth to their lives beyond what we're seeing on screen and this is a movie that has a story that could easily be a kind of sensationalistic lifetime. Movie story is about this middle class or upper middle class black woman who decides to seek out her birth mother and it turns out to be this working class white woman who has kept it a secret all these years that she had a child and it's about the way that Hortense played by marianne jean-baptiste tries to integrate herself back into the life of her mother. Played by brenda blethyn. Both of whom were multi awarded and nominated for this movie and deservedly so and again it could be sensationalistic. But it's just this very rich and layered portrayal of a complicated family. We've also got brenda. Blethyn brother played by timothy spall and her other daughter who is acknowledged and who's lived with her for her whole life and also has to kind of integrate this whole concept into her sense of existence. And is this really sensitive. And anytime i feel like it could go in this like oltra melodramatic direction. It takes you in a different direction. That's even more rewarding. This was from just before. I started trying to make sure i watched every awesome movie. I have not seen it. But i probably should. Yeah i would recommend it or any. I mean if you haven't seen mike leigh films. Happy go lucky or mr turner or there's tons. I mean he's just a great filmmaker. Yeah so i will go for my number four. I just realized. I have back to back movies from the nineteen. Seventy seven awesome movie year season. It's a great sees realized. It wasn't awesome season this. This was probably the biggest surprise movie of the year overall for me new movies old movies it saturday night fever from john badham and i i think everybody thinks they know what this movie is. And you know he disco dancing. And you know john travolta dancing of the bg's in that white suit in like you get into it and it's this incredibly fucked up dark weird movie. These characters are just absolute pieces shit and you know by the time you get twitter. See and and gang rape girl the pack of their car. While i mean it's absolutely insane movie. And i cannot believe that this is like one of those classics. Everybody's mom claims to love but of course as we talked about tv at it which is probably what most people are watching but yeah for such a dark movie For this to be such a dark movie was just such a huge surprise and it's also really good like i just think that the is really interesting. I think that the You know the the connection between all the characters is really interesting to watch like in how this like almost like a gang away you know and how how they interact and all that and then on top of all that. The dance scenes really are great. Just like you've always thought. They would probably be. I mean they're shot so exciting and Just visually just cool to watch. It really. is the dance movie that you expected it to be so i mean. This movie is just great on so many levels. Yeah it's really good. I liked it. I not quite as much as you did. But i certainly enjoyed it and also felt like it was a surprise as to how complex and dark it is and and it works though The combination of the disco dancing and those serious heavy story lines. I mean the way that going to the disco. Dancing is an escape for these characters from their kind of dead end. Lives like it all makes sense and it all fits together. So yeah i. I liked it. I think the darkness may be gets a little overdone towards the end and we talked about this in our suicide and yeah yeah but but overall like i i definitely thought i thought it was quite good and i. I was impressed with how different it is from. From what people think of it so Yeah another one that i think. If you're like oh. I know what that is again like thelma and louise or something right you. Maybe don't like watch it anyway right for sure. So number three. What do you got so number. Three is a movie that i hadn't realized until i was making this list. That is also directed by mervyn. Leroy who is an incredibly versatile and prolific director so home before dark is from one thousand nine hundred eighty eight and this movie is from twenty five years earlier and could not be more different is gold diggers of nineteen thirty. Three from of course nineteen thirty-three and is a pre code musical and i love pre code movies People who are not familiar. These are movies that came out in the early nineteen thirties in the period between when sound movies started and when the hays code was implemented in one thousand nine hundred eighty four that basically sanitized everything and was the regulation for movies from nineteen thirty four until i think maybe nineteen sixty eight when the cia was formed and the rating system was created and during that period like everything was essentially g. or pg rated But there's this brief period from like thirty or twenty nine to thirty four where movies were not censored and there's so much stuff that you never think of being in old movies that are in movies from this period. They're always fun to watch. So this movie is i mean it's naughty. In sort of an insinuating way. And it's a musical so it's it's really big and find and but it's also about the depression it's about these four dancers played by ruby keeler. Joan blondel alien mcmahon and ginger rogers who is so good in everything but also here who are kind of Down on their luck as everyone is and all this talk shows are getting canceled during the depression because no one has any money. So it's this big like let's put on a show us ical. They get an idea and they tried to get the financing together. And there's a whole silly romance subplot about ruby keeler's character falling in love with this air. Who's slumming it because he wants to be a composer and his. His family opposes him getting married to this chorus and then his snooty brother played by warren. William who always plays great snooty characters comes in and he tries to sabotage the marriage but then he falls in love with one of the other chorus girls. And it's super silly but it's just so sharp and so witty and so well acted. I mean it's full of great comic lines and also full of these incredible musical set pieces that were choreographed by busby berkeley. Who of course is an amazing talent. It's the source of the song. We're in the money which people know. Even though they don't know where it's from which is the opening number of this and it features ginger rogers singing in pig latin. So that alone should make it worth watching This is another one. I watched on the criterion channel. I don't know if it's still there. But i think it's showed on all the time. It's a well known film gold diggers of nineteen thirty. Three sounds absolutely wild. And another addition to your list of some really interesting titles on your list for sure. Yeah i try to keep it varied so my number three is pretty recent movie Two thousand eighteen thunder road from jim. Cummings which is honestly one of the best movies. I've seen in the last few years and i i don't know i missed it. I didn't really know about it. I think i had seen the title at some point. But i've really liked the look of the poster and the trailer for the wolf snow hollow. And so i was looking forward to that. Even though i didn't know anything about jim cummings and i watched it and it's very good like it didn't make my top ten or anything but it's a very good movie but immediately after i was like well see did this thunder road movie. I'm going to watch it. And i was just fucking blown away. It's just like such a roller coaster about this cop who is just kind of like on the verge of you know like a mental breakdown or midlife crisis after divorce. And his his His dad dying or his mom dying. Forget exactly but Yeah it's just it's it's funny but it's really dark and it's really heavy but it's also back to being funny because it's so damn dark and so heavy and He just does this character. So damn well and and i will say it's Very easy to criticize the fact that he did two movies back to back where he's a cop on the verge of a mental breakdown but his next movie is going to be completely different from what i've seen so i look forward to seeing him. Stretch out a little bit more but still. This movie is just absolutely fantastic. And the whole story of the bruce springsteen song that is based on that the The the short was based around and they couldn't get the rights to in is very funny just like adds another layer to how good this movie is. i think. yeah. I like that movie. This was actually on my list. Not my regular top ten lists but on my this list maybe last year. Because i hadn't seen it right when it first came out and i caught up with the following year. Nice and yeah. It's a really great. And like you said this sort of mix of it's like funny and dark and you're laughing at this guy as he's having a mental breakdown but and yeah. I don't know if you've seen the short i think is pretty easy to watch online and having i want to though. Yeah it's interesting. Because i had seen the short at a film festival before the feature existed And so having watched that as a self contained short and as us it's about him at the funeral of his mother and he talks about how his mother loved thunder road by bruce springsteen he plays thunder road. He plays the song on a tape player. And you hear it and he does a little dance to it. That's extremely awkward and in the feature. That's the opening scene and they didn't get the rights and so he doesn't play any just like sings the song it's even more awkward. But i i remember either way. It's this great self contained bid and it's done in a single shot. And i remember seeing the short and thinking that was great and then reading that they're gonna make that into a feature and thinking i don't see how they power. How the how could that be possible right right but he really expands it in a really clever way. So i still haven't seen the wolf of snow hollow. But i definitely want to. Yeah it's it's fun it's good. Yeah so what do you got for number two so my number two pick is the only movie that i watched twice in twenty twenty four Mainly for work purposes it is douglas mcgrath's version of emma starring gwyneth paltrow from nineteen ninety-six. Although we did not talk about it on awesome movie year but it is from that year. And i initially watched it because the new version of emma starring On you taylor. Joy was released early this year. And i was in anticipation reviewing it. And so i wanted to watch this famous version and i loved this one so much that i think it might actually have tainted my potential appreciation of the new one which i was disappointed in because i was so taken with this version from nineteen ninety-six and i think in part because again i had no expectations. I thought this is some nineties. Movie with gwyneth. Paltrow whatever and win windfall. Paul tro is so good in this movie. It is so smart and so witty and so emotionally satisfying to watch her as jane austen character. Emma woodhouse douglas mcgrath. Who's not a notable director in any way. He's kind of a minor actor he. This is what. I believe his first film as a director and his career has been pretty spotty since then but he just gets it exactly right with that tone of whimsey and y but also like it's are cast but you also need to buy into all the romances and care about them and want them to work out and yet also kind of laughing at the characters and i thought that was done really really. Well toni collette is great as the kind of awkward woman that takes under her wing is going to be the matchmaker for and so i love this movie so much and when paul chose performance in it so much that it made me really like re evaluate my entire sense of cultural who we think of now as just this like lame out of touch. Rich person who peddles vagina candles and nobody takes her seriously or respects or at all But in the nineties she was just on. Fire has an actor and so i thought about other gwyneth. Paltrow ninety s movies that at already seen like the talented mr ripley and shakespeare in love and great expectations and so i wanted to pitch an article. About how great she was in the ninety s. And so. I did that and this was like my big project for the year and i think i pitched it to six different outlets before i finally found someone who had published this article and so when i was writing that i went back and watched again and even though i've just seen it within a month or two i loved it again so not the kind of thing again. I think this is something that people would look at it and be like. I don't know it was just some random ninety thing. It's nothing like there was a bunch of jane austen. In the nineties there was clueless which is also based on emma and you know pride and prejudice with colin firth and whatever but watch it so good. It's actually on our list of things to watch. We almost watch it just like a week or two ago. It's so funny but yeah people check out that article that you did. Because because i was great. Oh thank you yeah. It's big visages. Thank you to quin huff. The editor who finally it's like okay. You can write this weird. I appreciate that though Right number two for me is blue. Ruin from jeremy sagnier from two thousand and thirteen which is a movie. I've been wanting to watch. Ever since i saw green room in two thousand fifteen which is just so fucking good and i heard that his previous film was so damn good as well and for some strange reason. I thought that that movie was the ruins. That movie where they get stuck going into like a mayan temple or something like that evil evil plans the mind controlling plan. Yes we actually. That's never saw that either but So that's kind of what scared me away. But i'm so glad i finally watch this movie because it's just as good as everyone made it out to be actually watched it right after watching murder party for awesome movie or but yeah this movie is just i mean talk about you know tension and like just revenge movies in general. This is just such a good revenge movie. Make him blair. Who's in all of his movies. I believe is fantastic. It's just so like darkly funny and Just a every scene is just like a masterclass in in this kind of movie and then straight up until the very end which i just think is just pitch perfect that ending. This is just a great great movie. And i i guess i have to listen to people and they tell me that it's so watch movies. Sometimes people are right yeah. I'm sure i was one of the people telling you to watch that. Because i was on that train for that movie really early on because i saw it at an af. I fast when it showed there in two thousand thirteen or maybe it was even in twenty twelve at the end of two thousand twelve. I don't know but whatever it was it was playing the festival circuit. And i didn't really know anything about it and i went in to see it and just was so amazed and jeremy sony. It was they're talking about it and so from that moment on i was just telling everyone how great it was and it ended up. I think it was the number one on my list of my regular top ten list that year and yeah that's a fantastic movie and he's really talented and he's gone on to do great staff green room as you re mentioned and i. I like hold the dark to his good. Yeah but Blue ruin easily the best thing. He's done so so good and I'm glad you watched. It are some so number one. What are you guys so my number one film is another movie about a potentially mentally unstable woman who is being dismissed by the people around her. Here yes there you go exactly and again not one that i had anticipated and i watched all these movies for completely different reasons and this was just a movie that i randomly that it was in my net flicks dvd. Cue which is still a thing that i have and it just kind of came up the next thing the innocence from nine hundred sixty one directed by jack clayton and it's also kind of relevant for this year because it's an adaptation of the turn of the screw by henry james which was twice adapted in two thousand twenty first into the movie the turning with mackenzie davis from the very beginning of the year which is not good at all And then also the haunting of blind manner the net flicks that a lot of people really like from mike flanagan which i have not watched but both of those are based on the turn of the screw this i would venture to say even not having watched the haunting blind manner is by far the best adaptation of the turn of the screw. Deborah kerr is the star of this version and is so so so good as the governess who comes to this remote estate to take care of these two children who are orphans and our Nominally the uncle. There uncle is their guardian. But he doesn't want anything to do with them so he hires this governess and he's not there and she starts seeing maybe ghosts or maybe she's just kind of losing it because she's a woman was we're she's a single woman in the nineteenth century you know so she must be insane but the way that this movie captures that like certainty of are there ghosts or issue going crazy and if she's going crazy like for good reason you know these children are weird and they're kind of messing with her and everyone there is just giving her these wrong. These vodka to death. It's like something is not right here and whatever it is. It's not okay and why will not anyone believe me that something is not right here so it really builds suspense and that tension and again the the performance from deborah kerr is so good and also the two kids who are actors who. I don't know what they went. Onto but martin. Stevens and pamela. Franklin are the names of these child actors. Who really give you that. And one of the things in this story is. These kids are sort of like disturbingly grownup. And i think that's a really tough thing for a child actor to play and for to be believable. And they do a really good job of that The other thing about this movie is that it looks gorgeous. It is shot in cinemascope which you would not think of for movie that is basically just takes place in a house but Freddie francis cinematographer went on to be director of a lot of like hammer movies and cool horror movies Just find these amazing compositions to give you the sense of this house. Like sort of swallowing her up in a way and the way that she feels overwhelmed. And it really uses the visuals and also the sound design in this movie to just immerse you in the world of this woman who is slowly being driven mad by something so it was definitely my favorite movie of the year of any movie. You know better than any new movie that i saw this year as well so I mean this is how stingy with my star ratings. Not counting movies. That i had already seen before. There were two movies that i saw in two thousand twenty that i gave four stars one was dreamland which was my number one new movie of the year and one was this last so there you go very good very good well. Yeah i've never seen it but it feels like from everything you're saying about it and knowing about that story. It seems like a movie. I should watch because it would be a puzzle piece for like nine out of ten new horror movie. Yeah it's clearly very influential. And jack layton is another director. He made other movies but he didn't really have the career that you might have thought he would based on this film but it's yeah it's certainly influential and the story is still being told over and over again i will. I will skip the turning though. Definitely i saw that in a theater. You know thank goodness. The theater experience so rare now and i managed to see the turning in a theater. And that was the wrong choice My number one is a movie that i really hope to get to see in a theater one day and i may be cheating here because i might have seen it as a teenager but i really don't think i did. I really think it was my first time watching this back in january and actually watch this twice this year it's john carpenter's thing from one thousand nine hundred eighty two. Of course i was so aware of many of the great creature effects practical effects scenes. In this i saw john carpenter live at the hard rock a few years back and playing the background. And and of course. I've seen clips elsewhere over the years so certainly. I was aware of a lot of the things that happened in this movie. But i don't think i'd ever actually sat down and watched it and it's just awesome. It's it's so beautiful. I mean those snowy landscape shots are just so just gorgeous and then once you get into the insides and the tension and the you know the that just like that tense feeling of not knowing who is who and all that stuff that he just. So expertly Creates which you know. It's funny because you know you always think of him like you know what king of horror or whatever but you think of usually of the effects and stuff like that. You don't think attention. But i mean yeah i mean he's that too and so there's so much going just firing at one hundred percent and You know the score of course is amazing. It gets so weird at times Kurt russell's rigging greeted. Everybody else to is so great. And i will say the ending. I'm not one hundred percent sold on once they get underground in the whole confrontation. But other than that though. This movie is freaking perfect. And i said there's another dog performance on my list. This is the single probably best dog performance. Ever unless unless actually now i think about it the dog from independence day but this is the second best dog performance ever so take that lassie and benji those dogs. Yeah that's a great movie. i've seen it. I'm sure probably multiple times and actually this year. I wrote an article defending the sort of remake slash prequel from twenty eleven. I've heard a few people defending it lately. Yeah i liked that movie with mary. Elizabeth winstead if you haven't seen it check it out and it actually connects a lot to the carpenter movie. And so i watched as i was writing. I was like skimming through the carpenter movie. And i didn't watch it in phone again. But yeah it's it's great. And yeah i have nothing but good things and it actually did play at the drive in over halloween. Oh almost went to see it. But i was weirdly. Like right after i had just watched those parts of it and i was like. I'm not gonna go do that again. Yeah but you know you miss your chance to see it at the driving. Well let's let's be hopeful. Yes maybe someday you go inside theater and they'll show it certainly the kind of thing. That theaters will show again around halloween. One of those movies. I would think so so yeah. I think this'll a really interesting list of movies. Are are twenty movies here. But do you have some honorable. Mentions you wanted to throw out there. Yeah well one is one that i thought maybe you would put on your list although maybe you had already seen it. And it's another awesome movie year movie from our nineteen eighty-four season Beverly hills cop by martin. Brest which i had not seen although i had seen beverly hills cop three and a that was a bad start but It's just a really really entertaining fun. Mainstream action comedy eddie. Murphy is so charming in it. And it's just like enjoyable to watch all the way. One of the themes of awesome movie year in eighty four was like the new development of comedy plus action comedy plus horror and it. Does that really well balancing those two things. So that movie a lot of fun. Yeah and the other honorable mention. That almost was on my list is dark. Water the hideo nakata original from two thousand to the japanese film and i. I wrote another article. This year defending remake. It was about the remake of dark water. Jennifer connelly which i actually think is a little better but i had already seen But in prepar in preparation for writing that i watched the original and is quite good too. I think if you like j. horror of like stuff like the ring. And i also watch the original ju on the grudge this year which is completely an incoherent mess and turk. Water is much better. So if you're curious about those i think it was. It was on amazon prime. When i watched it. And it's a cool kind of underrated movie in in the japanese order cannon. Not a big fan of those movies. But beverly hills. Cop is very fun though for my honorable. Mentions i have I've got two awesome movie or movies. One yard he mentioned pumping iron The other one is a racer head. another movie that i may have seen bits and pieces over the years but i don't think i ever sat and watched But yeah i can weird movie and is pretty damn cool. Ed one other honorable mention a little movie. You may have heard of called citizen kane that i watched in preparation for manque Turns out pretty good. Yeah well and that's one of those movies. I think they're saying and you're being sarcastic like oh citizen kane but lots of people have never seen citizen. Yeah like i already know like no watch citizen kane. It's good yeah exactly so yeah and eraserhead. I've like paris texas. That's a movie that we jason. I didn't quite appreciate the way that you yeah. Yeah and i didn't. I didn't like it as much as that. But but yeah. It's definitely an interesting movie. That's just say that it is an interesting movie and something that i didn't really like but i'm glad that i saw right for sure so just to finish this conversation up. I thought it would be fun to bring up one movie that we watched this year. It wasn't first time watch but something either hadn't seen in a long long time or maybe didn't give it. Its due a while back when you first saw and you you finally re watched this year. What do you have for something like that. So yeah i was kind of Going back and forth on a few things but my my choice for this is going to be a nightmare on elm street. Three dream warriors which is kind of a weird journey because i saw as a kid and i think it might have been the one nightmare on elm street movie. I saw i Because it's almost like superhero movie. And i was into comic books and stuff and that's why i liked it then and then i had revisited it at some point A number of years ago. And i was like this is not that great and then i watched it again this year because i wrote a piece on heather lincoln camp as nancy in the three nightmare on elm street movies and sort of the journey of that character in the journey of her performance. And i just really appreciate it on that level like if you watch weirdly if you make if you pretend the series is just nightmare on elm street dream warriors new nightmare and you watch the journey of heather langan camp and the journey of nancy is really fascinating and i think when i watched it that way dream warriors really clicked from and the way that nancy is sort of this haunted figure from her experiences in the first movie. And she's trying to not. She's trying to guard the next generation of kids from experiencing what she experienced and her sort of successes and failures at that and other lincoln is great and all these movies And i had a new appreciation for her in this one. So yes that's my. I like it earlier this year. I did a friday thirteenth like marathon. And i'm planning on one day this year doing nightmare on elm street so i look forward to get into one. Yeah there's overall the nightmare on elm street series has a much higher level of quality. I think friday the thirteenth series shelves. Imf jason guy so we shall see so for mine. I am going to go with bill. And ted's bogus journey. I love bill. And ted's excellent adventure. I've seen many many times. But i always remember seeing bogus journey as a i guess i would have been eleven at the time and just walking out of theater so upset that that it was just the worst movie in like. What did they do to bill. And ted and i never return to. I never watched it again. And then finally watched it in anticipation of the new on face. The music and i almost maybe liked it. More than the orig-. I just thought it was so fun. So ridiculous. So out there it really embraces. Anything goes like comic book kind of nature of the of the series which was really only the second one at that point but It's basically like a living breathing cartoon and is so all over the place But i absolutely loved it. I love station. I love death. Of course everyone loves death even if you don't like the movie And i love evil. Bill and ted i just. There's so much in that movie. That although i'm sure you know plenty of people don't give it a second chance or maybe did and just still don't like it i. I loved it the second time around. Yeah i also revisited this year because of the new one coming out and i hadn't seen it in a while. Probably not as long as you. I think i'd seen it at some point since it was out in theaters. But i i you know it's an interesting i don't hate it and but and i and i appreciate what you're talking about the way it goes for all the weird But i i love the first one so much. And i feel like the first one is such a pure concept. That bogus journey is just like. They're going for everything in part because it feels like they don't know what to do and how to make another bill and ted movies or they're just like whatever right and station is fucking. I'm sorry yeah. I i could see how someone might think that. But they're wrong. But no i mean overall like i like it and i really liked face the music and i'm a total bill and ted van. Hell you right on. Well that does it for our two thousand twenty look back episodes. And i'm so glad you were able to join me for this josh. Wanting to tell people about what's going on over an awesome movie here. Yeah well as we've been saying many times in this episode we've been talking about the films of nineteen eighty-four we're getting closer to the end of that season and so we'll have a new awesome movie year to announce fairly soon but yeah. We've been talking about a lot of fun movies. We've had some cool guests on including albert pune the director of road to hell. Which is the sequel sort of the streets of fire and some. I don't know if it's so coming up or not yet. But maybe something cool coming up. That i won't know it will already be out by the time this goes up. Okay well then we also joe esposito on our episode about the karate kid. He's the singer of course if you're the best around. Which is the best song around. So yeah it's been a lot of fun. Jason harris. We got a mention is the co host and check out awesome movie year dot com and awesome movie year on facebook and instagram. Jason allegedly is going to put some things on our instagram and awesome movie pod on twitter. And you can hear dave Offer his opinions in some of these episodes as well. We appreciate that you have been watching the movies along with. I am trying. It was my goal going into twenty twenty and then i had an excuse to actually follow through on that goal. We hope you continue. Yes i will. I will tell it. Tell everybody also where they can find some of those articles that you're talking about you have links on your site. My sight is josh bell. Hits everything dot com and you can find at least a write up what we've just been talking about which i should have a set soon. Hopefully by the time this episode comes out. Those links are on my social media. Signal bleed on twitter and josh bell hates everything on facebook. I always linked to everything that i write. So i did recently on my twitter. Do a thread of my Favorite pieces that. I published twenty twenty and that includes some of the things that i mentioned a piece on heather langan camp in the nightmare on elm street movies and my on gwyneth paltrow in the ninety s and the piece on the two thousand eleven version of the thing. I mentioned all those in there as well. Some other cool stuff so yeah follow me on social media for all my observations about movies awesome awesome. Well josh thanks as always for being here. And i will talk to you about a new movie sometime soon. I look forward to it. Did you like the parent trap or too young lindsay lohan. Discover their strange twin sisters in summer camp and switch places and you might also like young camp. Counselor is being stockton murdered. One by one by mask to sail and friday the thirteenth did you. Like reporter drew barrymore going undercover as a high school student to get a good story and never been kissed. Also like the i. Agent johnny utah infiltrating click of surfers who moonlight as bank robbers and point break. Listen to you might also like a podcast where he received. The movie suggestions didn't know you needed posted by me. Lou spalding to get moving suggestions. Like vive and many more absurd but surprisingly helpful recommendations each week our view to movies that are very different but surprising linked. And you might like both of them. I said listen for new episode. Every friday on apple podcasts. Spotify or wherever else you get your podcast and then finding on social media you also like all right so hope. You enjoyed that conversation about our top ten first time. Watch as of twenty twenty. Thank you josh bell for joining me on that one and everybody. I hope you're enjoying this end of your coverage and are excited to get into some new movies but make sure you go back and watch some of these movies. We just talked about and some from the top ten films of twenty twenty in the top five documentaries at twenty twenty cause lots of great movies to check out but now it is time to start moving forward and we are planning a whole bunch of new piecing it together episodes in the coming weeks and i am always looking for new co hosts so if you enjoy what we do here on piecing it together. Megan touch with me. Moe's looking for new people to join me. And of course i love getting all my old favorites back on the show as well so always beaten everybody to come back and do episodes but love get new people too so that does it for today's episode make sure subscribed wherever it is you. Listen to podcasts. Also check out awesome movie or makes you subscribe to that while you're at it and follow us on social media at piecing pod. Join our facebook group popcorn and puzzle pieces. i already told you about the patron. But don't forget to check that out. Produced by david rosen patriots on and Yeah that does for today. So this episode. we're looking back at classics. So i'm going to play you out with a piece of music from my first album at goes in the dark. Let's look back to that. And i'm going to go with the track. If only tonight. I could sleep which there is a great music video for directed by my friend. Doug farah a filmmaker here in las vegas. So check that out to over my youtube channel. Youtube dot com slash. Music by david rosen but Yeah this is. If only tonight i could sleep from my first album in the dark which is available on all the music services out there and joy this track and we'll be back with more piecing together coming up next week uh-huh Points west production produced by. David resin in las vegas.

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Apokolips Now Redux

Optimism Vaccine

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Apokolips Now Redux

"Hey welcome back optimism vaccine. I'm steve and it's dark day. It's the dark day opposite vaccine history. It's been a dark week. We've got our very first. Dmca notice that's right. Evil corporations out to take away podcast that we recorded four years ago. So if you're saying to yourself. I really want to listen to what optimism vaccine had to say about killing sacred deer in two thousand seventeen for a few days. You were unable to until we had to make some edits to appease our corporate warlords which we did and wouldn't you know the culprit the culprit. You may know him as eminem slim shady call marshall fucking eminem. Song is undoing the spaghetti clip the mom's spaghetti. You can't spaghetti anymore on the internet. Or they're gonna come for you. That is the state of the world. Also i'm joined today. By mirus. Jacob colin myra you doing. I'm doing all right. I'm glad we got that situation rectified. You know it's a classic episode. Real good i. i didn't remember it. I forgot that we've been did it. So it was like fifty one or some shit extremely old extremely industry episode fifty three. So y'all better go check that out. A new revised version extra special. That was great too because miles says like do you. Do you have the the master this. So i can fix it and i said probably two hours later after i thought that all of our podcast exist anymore on my hard drives by the external address. I was able to find it. So this actually spurred us to solidify the archives. So something good something. Good Jake how you doing doing fine. See united just got to go out there and get up. Come on get down with the sickness. You really just you. Just on the richard cheesecake man. All this all this. You've been doing this week watson. cheesehead original better. What's what's the thought process by that guy. The disturbed guy when he's like. I need like some sort of entry to this song. Like when the when the riff hits i gotta yell something. And he's like is it a yeah or or like how does he. How does he enjoy himself and he goes with who like. How do you get there. Is i thought you were jason. Momoa there for a second. Donald noises don't count on a bad man. You wanna laugh Look up Y down with the sickness is the worst kariuki song is just a compilation of a bunch of nerds trying to do that. Opening a while Under what microphone at a bar. You'll never stop laughing. I one time. I went to a bar in lansing michigan with sean and morose and it was it was like us and i think matt was with us to to matt of optimism vaccine contributor who hasn't attributed in several years. But we're at this bar and it was just us and then like two guys shooting pool and they were just like just dudes you know like they definitely drove trucks with like calvin sticker pissing on something and there was a jukebox. Just there's a jukebox. And i went over. And i played down with the sickness for them and then immediately after i played bob carlisle's butterfly kisses and so the disturbed and they're like yeah they look over at me and they're like so we're cool and then butterfly kisses starts playing afterwards and the guy came up to me and he looked like he looked. He's just one of those guys that doesn't have is incapable of smiling. Just very just bald an angry and he walks up to me and he just says that was a really sad song and then he just walked away like i broke his heart with. Bob carlisle adhere. I thought he was going to call me a dickhead which he should have. But yes so. That's the story of when i didn't get beat up but if you wanna if you wanna make dudes happy playing pool disturb the good the get colin how you doing man. I'm doing great. And you know. I i've been looking into this whole thing about you. Guys getting the whole takedown copyright from universal media group. I've been calling them up. And i've been reading them. Green eggs and ham and lindsay ls tweets and. I think they're gonna they're gonna cave in. They don't seem to want to admit that they understand what i'm saying or what it's about but sooner or later they're going to have to admit it dude universal universal media group. They went on a fucking tear man. Because i know you mentioned you mentioned the dr seuss thing because we all know that. Dr seuss has been cancelled indefinitely. So i had this idea for really dumb post where i was gonna use a clip from my favorite episode of elimidate. Which if you know was a dating show from the early to mid two thousand primarily shot in milwaukee in chicago and the idea was you start off with like four dudes and one woman or one woman four dudes. Whatever i don't think it was. It was a progressive time in dating show television. I'm not sure if they ever had any gay episodes but either way and then one by one the person that they were would eliminate each guy and my favorite episode of all time was shot in chicago. And there's this like real chicago guy and he's one of those dudes who just thinks he's just incredibly cool but also he. Has this kind of almost like bill and ted stupidity to him and his name is vito and his line that uses is a and the girl looks over he goes you ever hear of dr seuss. She's like yeah. I've heard of dr seuss. And he goes well the ladies call me. Doctors seduce very clever. And you could see like the look on his face where he's just like this is. This is the best thing that anyone has ever. clearly she's just just dripping wet. she's going to create a puddle. All the other guys are going to slip and fall. I'm the winner she. She did not go forward. Unfortunately but universal media group. They took down that episode off a youtube. My favorite episodes she limited that date. Yes she eliminated. It's yeah but here's the quality of men she was dealing with. He was like a out of the four guys. He made it to the final two. So it really tells you lot the guy who got cut i they were there at like carnival and he went on a carnival ride and like had a bar so they she just got him which makes sense. Anyways i had this whole bit setup whereas like you can you can cancel dr seuss. But you can't cancel dr seduce. And now my tweet which would have gotten at least three likes skyrocketing me to fame never going to happen because of universal media group. An eminem law. But we're not here to talk about the woes of our podcast. Unfortunately we are gathered here today because it finally happened. Boys never thought it would didn't even think this thing was real but it turns out if you yell on the internet for long enough. You get what you want and released. The snyder cut indeed. They did zack. Snyder's justice league is here and we wash it all four hours and two minutes of it. How did we get to this. Point is the question you may be asking yourself so it storytime alright. Have a seat. This is how justice league despite being released as a two hour. Movie in two thousand seventeen came to us again in two thousand and twenty one as a four hour. Film zack snyder. He's wrapping up production. His daughter passes away of justice. League county gets thrown into the limbo a little bit three months. After wrapping started had continued to work on the movie. He decided to step away. Probably a good idea. Joss weeden is brought in to finish the film. Josh sweden of course makes avengers and buffy is a sex past or an asshole. which one is he. Forget i think asshole asshole not sex past or maybe both we don't know just that's ven diagram tends to have a lot over that. So he just he ends up doing all these extensive re-shoots ads eighty new pages to the script. It makes jokey. He changes the color palette. So was snyder were used to just desaturate. In earth tones he makes it a lot warmer essentially totally different third act totally different third act. there's added scenes for gal gadoe diane lane. Who played martha. Ken and amy adams. Then they trim the storylines for the flash and cyborg. Okay you think cyborg in the suburb even theatrical cut. I didn't see him did you on the he's on the poster remember that he would call the poster. He's there he's there. He tends next to superman. That's super cool. Yeah you know. Super robot and fast guy allegedly. There's only like twenty percents of snyder's original movie left in even though he remains the credited director in the two thousand seventeen version. Which is kind of fucking weird to the point where i don't believe christopher nolan was like zachary deaf see the movie you'll hate it. Just watch it so you know. He listened to his buddy. Chris nolan never watched them. He's never watched. The original cut fast a couple years later because no one fucking like this movie and people start tweeting releases snyder. Then hashtag gets the support of gal. Gadoe ben affleck ray fisher. Plays the after mentioned cyborg and warner and hbo decide. Fuck it sure why not. We're gonna actually release. The snyder cut now. What that actually means is is not clear because there are all kinds of different snyder cuts. This movie was in trouble way before. Zack snyder left it. Okay mum originally. It was presented in a state that was described as unwatchable. Some sort of three hour cut. There is various cuts where special effects were removed or unfinished. There's at least like four. Snyder cuts that had been screened at some point for various executives and people. So it's not like he made this complete vision and then it was shelved completely and warner a few years later just dust it off and said oh here you go internet. It's exactly what she wanted when they decided to do this. They originally were like. Let's make this a like a mini series. Tv show type thing but said they're like no. Let's just have six ax and smash into a four hour film. So that is what we have today. What it originally looked like what a snyder cut. Actually as we don't know. But zack site or this is his vision. Or maybe it's not because also this week. They decided to release a version called gray. Which is a black and white version which allegedly is more in line with snyder's vision. I don't know what's going on. Also is it a four three aspect ratio and that was part of the plan from the beginning. Maybe no i'm not sure it's not bullshit part of the planet so okay so this and this is where it gets murky. I don't i don't know what is i. Don't know what this is. Okay we were able to talk about this. The fact that it exists is mind blowing to miss. This is three. This is like so many other things where people the fan base just assume that exists enough. That like people said right. There's money there but just put together and they put money into it because it did not exist. You gotta wonder like. I don't know how the of this fucking streaming shit works money wise. I guess that's all kind of locked doors still. But this is a seventy million dot director's cut. That's not say this is not not a seventy million. This is this is a seventy million dollars addendum. Yeah to To a work print. That was made years ago and then re shot like the the majority of the movie. The that was reshot by weeden. It is insane like basically just made a whole new film. There's only like a couple of scenes that are intact in snyder's vision and it doesn't change fund. I mean it changes only horrific but a lot of the reshoots that we did our like reshoots. The same exact fucking. See this asinine dialogue. put it. I mean they change the delegate enough to at least establish characters. I think a lot better not just tone wise but actually weedon version. No take no. I'm talking about weedon vision. He took the original existing footage. That snyder shot. And the reason you could say the snyder's fill footage all comprises twenty percent of the film isn't because they change the plot or they made all these drastic things differently. They would take the exact same shot and just do it over again just so they could put in this fucking horrible weeden jokey dialogue and this is like why this happened. Yeah so superman. Batman in the face and then batman goes on and goes super hurt. That's people love that when you do that joke you know the the the one bit of difference i noticed i was like that's weeden versus whatever. Did snyder write the script alone. For justice league. Okay chris -tario i believe yet. Okay well the one one bill dialogue. I really noticed is cyborgs. Father who's being interrogated by steppenwolf in the snyder cut. He says he doesn't know anything and step wells. Like who the fuck are you. And he's like die than tell you anything like he steps up. You know like he shows them that he's strong versus josh weaned. Cut for some reason. The steppenwolf just like basically agrees with him. Yes finally someone with some guts like Yes you're really cool. You're really tough even though he doesn't It's weird. They just tells you like who. He is rather than slammed show you who he is. You know like a well. I think we can all like dismissively. Fucking wave away the weeden version because it is a big trash like evict us. It's like nonsense. It drops into this open where batman is like fighting an alien from where this is. Now i i beg to differ. I think that seems an atrocity. Jarrell works for me because it's a guy in a bat suit already been ridiculous. It's just you kinda have to go with. We're talking about the death of flying. I'm i would say the only good thing about the weeden. I was actually apparently snyder invention. It's the senior. Superman is resurrected because they need him to fight Steppenwolf and there are. He's upset he's fighting the other superheroes in they're trying to pin him down in a flash starts to run around superman but because superman is also really fast he sees a flash out of the corner of the at and i thought. Oh that's just a little weeden touch because of course you've you've really fast but that's apparently a snyder creation. So we didn't brought no good things to this movie. Yeah even in the movie that you're like okay. That actually landed a bit like the batman jokes. I would say. I thought like the fucking you know. What's your superpower. I'm rich and shit like that on my god. That's that's weeden for sure and the. Oh how'd you get her house back. I bought the bank. You're like oh. That's that's definitely sweden and stuff and it hits all right but it's all in the snyder cut. That was all cut. There's yeah. I don't know where it came from. The one really funny thing that i saw especially coming from the flash wife phone really irritating. Large portions are in large quantities was when They're all on the rooftop together and they mentioned that there's how god for some reason mardi forgetting their names You know demons or whatever one team just cuts the flash who doesn't know anything about what's going on your knees because okay go right back into setting up what's happening. i just. I like that reaction that was very authentic and it was very funny. And all the other scenes with josh weeden dialogue. Or what. I assume we dialogue. It just feels like. I don't know if someone has to like kind of like sit up from being punched in the face or they can't be to human. They have to like wink at the camera. And it just. I don't know just means nothing. It just feels like a big long. What says you're seeing that memo online of the tube egg talking much. The soft boiled egg. That's like a tube they don't know. What is the bug into bag. I wanna hear why josh weeden movies are like a to z ghost. It's like cool hand. Luke eating all the soft boiled eggs. This is like a tube of soft boiled egg. That's exactly what the josh weeden one is where it's like This tasteless game thing. I do not appreciate the people. Keep calling him josh. Because that's it actual human's name. Let's referred advice factual fucking nightmare named joss. You just joshing ya. I like all of the changes that joss. we'd made. That were just made aesthetically but add nothing at all so we like the the final battles owner would average is sweden is just like make it fucking red. Make it all red sure body. Why not or even even steppenwolf okay. Josh swings like this guy is a little spiny. I think we need to spend fifty million dollars to smooth him out and gloom fucking goatee or something. I not stupid josh. Sweden say what you will about him. I think that he's one of those people who has his cycles like he e snyder's like that to us. Suppose it's interesting to look them in parallel with this because this is part of this. Reclamation of zack snyder. I think a lot of people are reappraising. His organ myself included and with weeden. It's the total opposite direction. Like he had this thing. Where had a huge rabid call fan base in the early odds and then he hit this big mainstream success with avengers after cabin in the woods hit and now you look at any of stuff and if fucking his age like hell it's rotten it's rotten to the core like this guy's fucking rotten and he was never a visually gifted director and say what you will about snyder. He certainly has that capability to pull out some very stark imagery in his films and is just so interesting to me. How one guy who who follow us on top of the world ten years ago in another guy who really just kinda got run out of hollywood almost with this justice league thing and now all of a sudden snyder feels like he's back and weeden. Good luck to you. Sir is i. I just don't feel like it's it's people finally coming around to appreciating the joys of him bo cinema. I don't think the snyder cut is particularly good. I don't think that a lot of snyder stuff is good. But even when he makes shit. I don't like i just. It's just made with pure passion and stupidity and commitment to those two things and it's nice like you could feel like i was like all right. I need to watch. What's the purest. If you distill. Snyder ism down to his essence what is that. No studio would demand these things. The clearly must be coming from someone else and it's obvious who it is because they're always following snyder from sucker punch to to watch men to wherever he goes so so snyder snyder's essence. I think you can find the snyder. Essence in sucker punch okay them all of his visual trademarks. It is the dumbest thing humanly possible. It swerves towards the you know the problematic realm because of the content choices but it never quite gets there and it clearly. The movie thinks of itself as a female empowerment text. But it's just goddamn idiotic. This movie's about girl power in dealing with trauma text. Exactly it's like this is about girl power dealing with trauma. It's like dude. You made like anime fetish action with a weird raping subplot and then and then it's like okay. So this girl she she. Her stepdad tries to sexually assault her so then she ends up in a mental institution. Which is she gets inside of her head and is in a dream world where she's actually in a brothel and inside of the head brothel. She's in a double layer head version. Anna may steam punk. Who sure man. Why not you know what they say about. How like in china so when came up with the idea of the automobile the exact time is someone in the west. Came up the idea of the automobile. Like they're just ideas that seem to spring across the world. I feel like zack snyder. And rubs rb might have like some like similar dna happening where trading ideas like. Yeah you should make halloween an origin story just to make it a store. That'd be great. You know you know don. The dead just need more action in it. That's what the movie was about action. Do that you know. They seem very similar in some ways. Rob zombie seems like a smart guy. Doing dumb shit. Where zack snyder's like a dumb guy. Earnestly trying to do smart shit oh. He thinks he's doing really smart shit. Yeah yeah the easiest way that you can describe zack snyder. As is he's a guy who made a watchman film and he's also simultaneously a guy who's been announced to direct adaptation of iran's the fountainhead and two more diametrically opposed text could not exist and these are nothing makes as a director for hire. He's not a director prior because he believes in them and he's just an idiot. And he thinks that watchmen is like a fucking randy tax and it comes across. I just want to say because we want to move past weeden too fast especially with Comparisons to snyder as a director. But neither of these guys ever deliver under deliver. When it comes to enthusiasm they overdeliver. They have too many ideas that are they go too far. That's one thing you can say about them. At their worst they are to elaborate and sort of laying a foundation for. What's gonna come next. Even if they're not quite sure what is going to come next. And if i don't know at least from the major difference between the two of them is that if the audience rejects the idea. Snyder seems to be like oh well darn whereas weeden and we can get into it later. Seems to hold a grudge against the audience for not appreciating his work and even against actors. Which is psychotic or it could talk about that now. I would just say like the last two things like he. He butchers the opening of this movie for me. Like i i have no idea how any like casual audience member is supposed to walk into the actual cut of justice league and know what the fuck is going out like. It is absolute nonsense. Like it's just like up here. You're aug space bugs. Here's much characters you've never fucked encounter before you're coming together that exciting and then the third ac has this bullshit that he pulled right out of his failed avengers movie where for no reason in the middle of noble family of peasants who were trying new back over and over again we have lived mutant animals for decades and now there is a man. Here is trying to bring the bug monsters. Just the stupidest shit. This is celebrity. I need in my life. Superhero movie just random sitcoms that jazz insufferable but i dunno snyder's brandao man it just it again like even when i don't like it i like that. He's trying and that people are giving them a lot of money to do it. I mean we talked about albert. Pune before and think about if you would like think about poon's captain america movie and what if someone had given him like three hundred million dollars but he made the same movie. i mean. that's the kind of energy that snyder brings to his work. And i respect that immensely and then the other thing i was thinking about is like there's some genuine artists like it's not aesthetically my style like i don't i don't dig all the slow mo stuff all the time and his the snyder default color palette desaturate thing again. Not for me. But i was thinking about. There's there's this ao scott review of three hundred from whenever that came out like you know fifteen years ago or whatever and trying to take a dig at snyder. And he's talking about how like you know. There's there's directors where every frame looks like a painting and zack snyder. Looks like every frame is like airbrushed on the side of a van and it was supposed to be like a like a ha-has you think about it that way it's like now. That sounds kind of fucking funny in cool and it is. It's just it's so stupid it's so goddamn stupid but you know what i don't care but not all snyder films are the same though. And that's something. That really should be clear because i feel like he's treated as a yes or no whereas for me. It's very much of like sometimes. Yes like the watchman. I think that's an astounding achievement. The fact that he was able to even make that even if you think he made it wrong key made it. He did it after all. This talk. terry gilliam. I don't like the movie at all but i will say zack. Snyder made it and nobody else could. She makes these dream films. That just seem impossible. Feel like they don't happen at all. Because i don't know about you but for the past four years i haven't seen justice league even though i love comic books even though i do have a d. c. unlimited universe subscription and do read comic books every day and really enjoy comic books. Never mind to see this right. Never even up on twitter. Dmz talking about that. There was a justice league film. And i didn't give ship which is so bizarre every once in a while i remember it exists. That's so weird. Even would still no desire. Because by i thought was. That looks like fantastic. Four just the worst of the worst just dreadful team films team films are the worst because they have to up. They have to try and figure out a lot of characters short on time instead just turns into weird banter which is really the biggest criticism of of josh. Weeden is just the way that i dunno characters are so jokey that nothing catches. It's just nothing. S- tins. Yeah because not every character is a joke. Like fucking bandmate. Is that cracking jokes. Jetblue it's in this version of cyborg is is not whimsical. We don't need jokes. This character bartender gave me my parents. That's two shots. I mean i guess the reason. His avengers weans avengers works at it does. I'm not gonna go revisited. I might sour on the thing but time to major achievement. It was a major achievement. It got to cheat. It was allowed to cheat because we knew these characters played a long game with that they introduce everyone before we were even in this film. So you yup. You didn't have to play that game with this team up. Movie and justice league did not have that luxury and that is why it is only somewhat successful in a format. That is not the viable. It's a fucking four hour film and as comic book fans. It's fucking insane to imagine the idea. That captain america and iron and we're able to put a bigger movies than superman and batman. That's fucking nuts because they're the c-grade characters and the only reason they were ever given films because they didn't have the rights to certain characters spiderman and the x men and so they did what they could follow certain method. Dc didn't seem to care. They're like a h- batman movie. Is this the nolan versus. Not the nolan verse. And i want to bring that up. It is amusing because there's like growing up reading marvel like the fuck gave a shit about the avengers. What's up anyway could read. That was not one of their big hit books until really the mcu it is. It's just got interesting shape the other at this point about no one. That is a good point. Because that's i mean knowle's batmans are not part of this universe quote unquote but he handpicked snyder. Obviously man of steel is existing in that toll like a is meant to be a continuation of what nolan was doing with these characters. And the tone. He had struck a more realistic than what you'd see in a marvel property so that's where they jumped off from which again snyder's an odd choice for that because i can't look at any of snyder's previous films and bill. Yes realist filmmaker zack. Snyder took watchmen and made it. Even more extreme god. Okay so jake where do you. Where do you fall as hard here. Like how do you digest and process the cinema. Zack snyder sum it up for me with one word. Dumb not necessarily a bad thing but a lot of his movies are. They're very easy he's not. I wouldn't say he's director so much. He's a visual stylist. Any discounts to beat you over the head with how awesome things that he thinks are awesome are And i think. I watched a good lord. The extended sucker punch last night. Because that's the only snyder film that is like not based on any other texted is is complete true original vision and Halfway through i just like got whatever the second fantasy land they go to with their fighting. Or whatever i of check out the words like world war one but they have m. sixteens and then there's like a mac zombies and then they kill a dragon and then the board on a train robots with shotguns and anyways back cider invented animation movie. I've never seen it. Should i q it up. i'm making it. I mean it's impossible to describe it without making it sound better than it is but i mean if you want just pure uncut snyder go for it i really don't i mean i kinda take weeks before. I don't mind as dc films. I think he's not a pretty admirable job with some ambitious stories with superman. Frankly but i. I don't like any of his previous work at all not i. I don't like a man of steel. I thought manas was terrible. Especially in the latter half when it's just all mass destruction with like no no stakes or any. No casualties felt like people were obliterated. Nobody shit That in a bit with batman. V superman which also has the benefit of applic- who's a rate batman gonna say rally one of the best and then with the snyder cut. I was actually really surprised at how much i enjoyed it in. I would even dare to say it's best film The final twenty minutes or so were not good. But it's it's interesting. Like i've just been so allergic to what he does as a filmmaker that a lot of that is nonexistent and I don't know if it's also just changed his view or like. I don't really mind. Watching zack snyder films anymore. Like i would prefer to watch this than any film hated for best picture to be honest but i yeah i don't know it like really completely worked for me. And there's there's humor in it which is very rare that you see in film very oceans. I don't mind the four three of the shirt. Fine whatever take it. But yeah i i had a good time with it i. It's all right jake. Why why is the snyder cut in the same aspect ratio is first cow. Well it's it's it's in the same aspect ratio of the mother boxes. See now with all okay it is. It is not of the same ratio as a fucking cuba nor is it the ratios as ibex. I know four three is not a square are a ido but i is for three either. It's like slightly different. Still bizarre that i one of the actual ibex quarterback all right. We're going to get into this. So he shoots his films in in scope which is three five two one. If you have that projected on an i max screen you're gonna be you're gonna let me let her boxing the film so by switching to a four three you do you do pillbox it but you get some of that height and i think he's. He's during the film for like a like a like the irvine spectrum which is twenty which is a six story. I max and then that'll be. You know the top to bottom not necessarily side to side but top to bottom will be filled with with all of his snyder glory. Thank that's that's the intent behind the aspect ratio there. It's i just. I just wonder why it's like slightly. Different dynamics. reissue. Is one point. Four three two one. So why not exhibited in that instead of it just like a Like that were doing this on his because he can't. I guess even a second lease on life and like nine flex we said we said that he within a week he already has released a gray black and white and gray version of it. He knows when you want. You know what i agree. Why not just. I don't like the dc makes he. He liked gets bullied into like making up a excuse. Straw stupid you need to say is i wanted to before three the end like when you say no because i shouted for i max. It's like well no you didn't and also that's not the i mex michio. So why do you even say these things you know. I will say this about snyder. is that like. I don't know if you necessarily makes his choices because you know some sort of deeper meaning other than he just likes it. And that's honestly that's refreshing in some ways because it introduces what seemed to be chaotic elements. Where you would never logically put things together. But because he emotionally feels they're appropriate we have just elements. We'll get into it later. But i do sit. Analogy he reminds you a bit of like your nephew or your knees. Six years old trying to tell you a joke and they can get their you know they can give you all the pieces but it takes so long and you already know the punchline lake zack. Snyder is not dealing with a very complex plot. It's like okay fathers and sons. They're repeating that theme and you know. I mean that's it basically team building in punch you gotta. You can't discount the religious allegory. I mean this is the third part of his christ triptych through cracking superman wherein the justice league services is apostles and spread the word it. But you could tell this story and is significantly shorter amount of time. You probably could tell it in or around to ten to twenty like i. I hate to say this because it immediately almost makes me want to dislike to cease existing. But there's probably a better cut inside of the the better cut is if he had not shot any additional footage because everything he shot and added to. This is stupid. Like it's like what he added was the epilogue and that is it hurts. The film the film ends with the nice montage. What's his name cyborgs. Father giving that voice over and it ends with superman ripping his shirt open. Cut to credits. You got yourself a pretty dang good superhero movie battalion. I'm upset about the epilogue because in promotional materials for zack snyder's justice league. We were promised a jesus joker there's like there's a promotional image where the job brand crown of thorns and we do not get. Jesus joker we get like. I don't know six days in fallujah. Joker something like i don't i don't even understand the epilogue at all what i was watching it. I thought it was like did. I accidentally skipped over something or when we talk about. Epilogues is just like tack on you know content doesn't enrich a story necessarily this is. This is the definition of that. It really feels like an after credits sequence just stretched for fifteen minutes. I really like. I was struggling struggling with why the epilogue was there. And i get that snyder. Originally conceived justice league is part of a three film. Snyder verse series. But i mean i is this. Just he had the chance to shoot his shot and get out there and hopefully get his. The fans riled up again or something thinks in service of the justice league director's cut as a standalone film object. It doesn't really do anything nor does the last portion of it which is totally inaccurate sequence Snyder doesn't really do after sequences news. That like ben affleck just standing around and the fucking martian man under spooks in goes like my name. Is the martian manhunter goodbye. And it's like what console you'll be seeing me around no. We won't one of the one things like around. Is the reshot scene with lois. Lane and martha kent Which went from various somber. Scene to dis- feminist. Hack jokes seen that joss put together. It's really terrible. Look it up but at the end of that scene in the snyder cut martha kent superman's mom turns into martian manhunter. Which why was that there. Well the point of that a no idea. The martian manhunter stuff is a grand mystery. This there are that's it just keeps coming back. You like okay. I get it. There is a better is so as someone who like. I read comic books as a kid. But i probably read more marvel stuff than dc stuff. And also i'm used to dumb bullshit but imagine you're like average joe and you're watching. The snyder cut and someone comes on screen and just says hello. I am martian manhunter share food. That's your name. That's the best people. Corbin jones is like john. C champion. dc has a big has a long history of when they take their comics and put them into new mediums. And i swear this is not new thing had never heard it reference by anyone else. But it's it's from the even the animated shows all the way ford characters need to say their names and you need to see the origin of their names for no reason. It'll just be like. I was watching the creeper episode from batman series and they have to call him creeps. He goes yeah. I liked that a calm yourself the creeper and all the way now until like hello. I'm martian manhunter and it just have to like straight face it whereas you know we're about one division on the other side here reminds we'll bring it up. There are because the thing is that it really is following the same template as the very first offenders film find the three things so that the portal can open up the flying creatures can come in and try and destroy the world like it's it's of the same thing but what. I like about the films. Moore's that they can at least keep the people part of it. I feel like the people weren't quite in this movie. Like they introduce their problems and introduced their powers. But i don't know if i understood any of the characters gone deeper level like i don't know the flashy wants to rescue his dad. The cyborg has issues with his dad. I dunno i think daddy issues. I don't think the flash works that great. it works better than in the weeden cutler for no reason he's a coward. They're like participated. This i. I've just going to run away but it's like okay. I don't understand why we're putting that it's not like it's something to be resolved but yeah like crap is bizarre in this movie. I don't know exactly what he's doing as father of the flash but it doesn't inherently work at. I i really don't like this guy. Got to play the flash either but you know so it goes i if you watch the cw show that guy's a much more amiable flash well and it's just is that i'm very open minded even though i really the comic books like you can do whatever interpretation of any character like just whatever like batman could whatever it doesn't matter just change whatever no nothing's precious however trying to actually identify one character to the next just powers and tragedies. There's just nothing there. I really wanted to stress this. Because like i can't tell you if you just saw this movie and you're like what's to deal with batman. It's like well. He feels bad. That superman died but other than that. I can't really tell you anything about this guy. I don't know it's pretty flat. Which is kind of a shame considering to spend a lot of time with them. He just doesn't really seem to have any sort of. I don't know actually watching it in the background. And he's flying out of a rocket chair avoiding getting shot and avoiding animals. And it's like all right. Because his parents died one of the weird things and we can were doubling back to that epilogue as we didn't really get enough into it. I suppose is it does tie into this characterization of batman and it's strange because if you watch this running thing from bbs where batman is having these visions of the possible future with a superman who has turned evil. And if you watch batman versus superman use -ssume that those are visions hearken to this event. You know when this invasion occurs. Lois lane is killed and superman joins forces with with the evil forces of dark side. And you know. The earth is apocalypse with a freedom fighter. Batman or something yeah is not apparently a description of this event at all nor nor was it a depiction of what snyder intended for the second of eventers justice league film. This is apparently something he had planned to pay off in a third justice league film unrelated at all to a dark side. I don't know exactly what causes superman to become evil other than the death of lois lane but it doesn't seem to involve invasion of any sort. It's just sit. Superman is is mean. Everyone's running from him. i guess. But it's kinda nonsense like why are we trying to again a little post credit sequence or something great. I'm not a big fan of them to begin with. But if you want to exceed something that you're going to do a decade down the line that might be placed. Where not the fucking middle. You got to giant s movie. But i i one huge failure for me. I haven't gone back and watch all three of these snyder. Dc films and really kind of gaining appreciation for all of them. This is not to me the most successful. What i think is a great failure is like of any explanation as to what the hell's going on with these visions like why the hell is batman a psychic would into the say two and a half ill. It's worth of visions of evil batman or. I'm sorry evil superman psychic. He's just a fucking guy. Why does he have all these visions. Where what is the source of the visions. Give me give me some grounds to texas and look it was exposed to the ship and it game remember krypton vision up that who gives a shit to say something and this. This is very much barring from injustice. Which is the the video game series that also became a comic series as a really good comic series about a lois lane becoming pregnant The joker uses the scare pro toxin with kryptonite to make superman temporarily. Insane and davos lane is a doomsday. Who is on the previous one and actually kills lois lane. Oh with child with child and it freaks them out so bad he goes back and just annihilate joker and says like and then for the next two years. It's basically just him saying. I'm never going to kill again. And then it slowly builds sleeps snaps again. It's very well written. Actually even if the games are a little ridiculous but it's weird that they're building to that because that's just something that could be done faster. It doesn't seem like this needs to be reserved for some future projects. I don't even know even hint at it. You know unless you're trying to show the motivation from the previous film. As way batman. Tried to stop superman like. That's i don't know what it made. It made sense in the context of bbs. As yes not an apocalyptic vision as like sort of fear dream. That batman is having all this is the worst case scenario of what could happen. If we allow this fucking god to rome among us like he could go evil until us all like if this is a paranoid delusion of batman grand but i don't need like him bid sub fucking prophet wandering. The desert is madness. Like why are we doing this. Like i don't really understand because this movie these movies function not just as christ al gory which definitely do jesus. Christ watchman steel fuck fucking all over the place. But it's also a moses allegory. And just put that out there. Yeah sure but what it is. Is i think this podcast is kind of a piece of doing richard kelly. Because they're both filmmakers who are kind of getting a second shot critic way and being they both. they're both idiots who are trying to do very actual things. If like southland tales is pinch on done by a lunatic moron. Prism of nine eleven. Sure this is. This is like i think. Neil diamond is really what he's pulling from a ton here with this sort of god's honors type of material so he's staying within comics to an extent but he's also not even one iota as literate as as someone like geiman like there's nothing. There's no subtext to these. This is like thudding action a noise and it can work auto level but it is just massively stupid. There's kingdom come and like Other marvel series of ninety s. Especially when they were trying to appease some of their artists before they bailed image and let them bright darker material but there is a tradition especially in the nineties when artists. Who didn't know how to tell a story. Ironically you know when crazy and just deal these crazy poses had people with too many parts stapled onto them. I mean look at the flash. For god's sakes he looks i don't know what the hell that is. I assume that the movie version was the tv show version because it looks so gimmicky. Look so bad. It just looks so i don't know we should talk about. Maybe the custom design. Because it's very i guess. Yeah it's not great. The thing is an this is kind of the big overarching takeaway is you can get into the nuance and like the zack snyder philosophy but i think like the ultimate himba move here is all of the smart stuff smart stuff. Heavy finger quotes like or things that he's like alluding to off in the future. Like i'm gonna do this later. This is going to be interesting later. Or we'll talk about this later but then the meet what we what we have for. Four hours is just a riff on the same marvel formula. Like what's what's the difference between zack. Snyder and whatever's fucking name stepping wolf and the three boxes. How is that different from the avengers in the tests direct from the first one or the the infinity stones from the last two avengers move. It's all the same shit. Yeah it's a big powerful guy from space and they need the thing on sentence. honestly it's it's my least favorite of snyder's three d. films because it feels like the whole time he's been taking notes. He's correcting every time. He's listening to his audience too much and the studio obviously had a lot to do with that but it felt like you had a real vision with man of steel. Whether you like that or not. That is zack. Snyder's man of steel like that is the movie a- by someone who had a fucking take on the character and i think he maintained that to extent in batman versus superman. But you see so many compromises of this like we gotta sit up justice league. Oh let's chauvin some computer files about cyborg gives a fuck like well and the only thing heck with ironman to and whatever the fuck amazing spiderman to where they do this thing where somebody walks past the laptop that has like logos that look familiar but like have like scribble marks on on. You're like whoa. You know ant man's come in you. Know i i think marvel's better able to get away with it because they're so they're not movies you know they're like there's no all tourism in marvel at fucking it is no it's it's corporate filmmaking at its finest it's it's got a very nice sheen but you'll get anything out of it. Yeah whereas these snyder films love them or hate them. They're autour driven. They are products infantile by divers visually gifted filmmaker. And when you try and like shoehorned into this beard like setup for other corporate tie ins. Doesn't it sticks out like a sore thumb and this movie to me is like even in its purest form. It's still feels very compromised. It feels a lot less like zack. Snyder's justice league zack. Snyder's man of steel as much more. Zack snyder to me than zack. Snyder's justice league. This is a film where he was allowed to go a little crazy and post but he was not allowed to go a little crazy the script or with the initial filming so it still feels somewhat the reined in to me i. I'd say an for that reason. I think it's my least favorite of the three now. I just want to ask the room. Why exactly did they ever trust deck snyder. To begin with because watchman. As far as i understood i think it it makes money back but it wasn't a huge success i know did well internationally. A man of steel same thing. It was considered a disappointment. I thought wasn't it well. Then a steel made money. Three hundred made a lot of money. Is okay yeah man of steel. They basically had already kind of decided to go in that direction. I think nolan kind of wanted the hell out and had had suggested him as as sort of the architect Yeah i think he's he has a track record. You know he can. He can make you money. I guess even movies don't make a ton of money they he's also with no one like you said no one kind of pushed him into the position a little bit and yeah it was. It was just one of those things where i think he's. He's a very passionate guy too so that probably helped him out and i think he's really well liked so it was. It was a big avenue but he's gotten a lot more mulligans than you would typically assume from a filmmaker yarmuk sucker punch was kind of a big disaster isn't it. Oh yeah yeah and but that one is. I don't know. I guess it was only only a seventy million dollar movie. I think that was the budget. Fuck it wasn't a huge threat seed like at that point. You're like oh yeah what. The fuck was the think. Isn't that like a beloved y. A novel adaptation or something legend. The guardian yells. Who'll don't on the director of dawn of the dead sucker fudge. That's just it. Is that when you look at his work. He has always gone after things that have been previously you for the most part previously established and we just talked about sucker punch. He's drawn towards education but he's he's not a You know he's not dog matic. He doesn't need it to be exactly like it is in the comic books he really does. It feels like he's almost like a new writer on a complex series and he's just writing it you know that's what he's doing rather than basing enough of anything because i don't know what the hell this is unaware. These stories are coming from. Well that's definitely the case with man of steel and that's why people hate it. you know darts not superman. Superman wouldn't snap guys neck. Mother fucked you pay attention to comics of the different writer on superman every third god. Deb day any changes the character. Fundamentally all the fucking time who gives a shit and this one universe there's infinite universe's and honestly i find refreshing but like warner brothers can take that approach and say sure you can make that weird batman movie. That looks like it's in the seventies and you can go make teen titans go and make all of our characters ridiculous and stupid like you can play with their toys as long as you agree that they're still our toys at the end of the day which you know whatever promise. They stopped they stopped. And that's what made joscelyn's justice league is they said ono. We gotta do a marvelous. Doing look how much money they're making and choice for this fucking avengers thing and that movie was already like almost a decade old when they tried to copy the formula exactly and it was like. This isn't going to work. Nobody even doing anymore like you you. You can't expect this trend for almost a decade ago is how you're going to get onto the track with marvel. It's just do your own fucking thing abso. It's like when they brought back a few years ago. And it's like buddy. I needed that a few years previously. When i was still drinking hard on to mix that up instead of red bull here comes an unthinking man. I'm a beard bro now. So it's just different. you know. Whatever our again. Zack snyder. I do love to you know the other thing that you can't get away from with snyder is the whole reason. This is over four hours long. We mentioned the epilogue. That's a little portion of but really the meat is he was like we just need more fight scenes but by more he just means extending the scenes far beyond their original run time. I just wish there was some sort of this. Is the next nerd project. I wanna composite. Cut where it's all. It's just all of the pacing of jazz sweden's movie where we don't have like. I don't need thirty minutes on the wonder woman island with the ladies fighting the bugs because that's the entire like probably the first three hours. This movie is just dumb. Establishing bullshit endless endless fight scenes and there's some stuff to where at least the fight scenes with the boxes make sense but there's there's a whole heist scene with wonder woman where there's like eco terrorists and some other shit which as far as i can tell as unless i was zoning out that whole like bomb sequence whatever none of that was relevant to anything. I mean it was cool. It was a good action scene. But it's literally there because it's cool. Which i guess you know. What fine fines act. It's it's your buddy you do it. And let's talk about the version of we didn't put out versus a snyder version of that scene in particular which just has the villains. Just being like what. We're we're we're we're were coming pavilions we're going to do it or whatever and snyder's version they are just psychotic and i love it. You know my favorite scene in way better. It's way better. My favorite dialogue is when wonder woman and as much as i find. Gal gadoe problematic as a person. I do think our wonder woman is especially written very well in the snyder cut where she's using the lasso truth and basis. Like why are you here. And it's like we're going to take it back to the dark ages of one thousand years. He's like boring. I meant like how many of you are there. And how many hostages like. She's almost treating these people like they're her iphone and she's just like no. That's not what i wanted to do. I love it very cool. Seeing and also it's i i love the fact that they really make wonder woman as strong as superman not as strong as strong like in the comic books. I just really appreciate. It helps this fucking like i mean. Hot zimmer's that volume this. But i still he imposed that. Wonder woman thing with junkie. Xl and that thing just rips so every time there's one woman action. It's saw like what i'm okay. Yeah i'm on board for this and also i just. I just think that scene works very well because a lot of people might have missed the wonder woman film. And so you have to see this character and really do need to establish that you know she'll take a guy with a gun and just like charamba up against the wall and you see the back of his head splatter like she'll kill people she's she will execute people. She's not afraid of that collin collin. That's that's her idea training okay. She was from age of seventeen. She learned how to do that. So it's nothing man. That's you don't need a alaso truth to do that. They just have to protect yourself. You don't understand the head sticks and stones. you don't understand. See feel like this like we could talk about. How some of the action scenes artificially extended by the speed at which runs them for you but he uses a lot of the time productively. I feel like because mine. None of the characters are introduced in the the actual kat and there are three characters of the six that don't even exist prior to this film a cyborg gibbs totally fun. Those there is no aquaman in there is no flash before this movie. Release the eh triclean. Those characters do not exist. You can't just throw them in. And snyder actually takes the time to be like yeah. We're not gonna. We don't have all day to give him like their own movie. Unfortunately although they d- hannity sense that's how they would approach but they didn't snyder at least i struggle the call. This film economical in any way but it feels almost as if he was using some level of utility in establishing the existence of these characters. Like that flash sequence with the fucking hot dogs. What have you that at least one see. That's that whole sequence. That does work because it really does like. It's goofy extended zack snyder. Slow mo action nonsense. but it's in service of establishing who is a character. Totally unexpected demand is so much fucking better in this than it is in the theatrical. Cut like that where they meet this. Is he meets this bar. And he's like. Oh yeah. I need to talk to this guy but in. The snyder is clear that batman like already knows this disguise ach lament and he's like saluted out how to talk with him And that it's got this whole weird like fucking again. God's utter nonsense with the fuck singing and these people are worshiping him like a god and you take the same scene and you put it in weeden and he just cuts out like all. This impact will stuff and he makes it. See my batmans a complete idiot. And the only reason he figures out that this guy is automatic because the crowd at the bar mysteriously like parts. There's like a fucking cave painting on the walls the bar that's this if it's all at a bar it must be true. That's what i can't wait to get lucky gonna call this number afterwards. I just my favorite part of the sequence. Is this repeats throughout the course of our our beautiful four hour film. But every time aquaman goes back into the ocean or goes into the water takes off his shirts. Slow slow mo so you can see the like the eight-pack and the glistening packs and whatnot. But he always walks in with pantheon. So my question. Zack snyder is why. Won't you show us man's dick but until the answers. That i respect them too much but i do. I feel like the front bubble shit as dumb as that is i love. How zags creates because he's got the hembo brain and he just creates solutions like there's dumb problems and he finds the equally stupid solution. So yeah oh man. These people are underwater. How do we hear them talk. It's acts like right. Do the friend bubble cool and then if you do a reverse friend bubble you can suck the water out of someone's eye sockets and that's cool too. Because then the blood comes out of their body. That's that's awesome. But that's just that he's a very sloppy chef like he. He doesn't know how to use the measuring cups any other way than like when he's making dinner for five like he does not know how to whittle that down to one person needs to use all of this Character to just really said established a person because really all the our firm is a bunch of circumstances. For the most part i will i will admit. Even though i don't like the flashes performance it does bring some levity. It is like he shows up in the movie. It's it's relief because even though a situation isn't great he's a lot less our than everybody else. Right yeah And i kind of thought he would. He would really dour up momoa in this but early. He's still got some stuff going on. And the one thing. I wanted to mention about weedon dialogue. Is that when memo is going into the ocean the first time you know You know trying to talk to him and in the weeden cut when he says here that a man is stronger. Loan ben affleck has do that. Annoying now mostly hugh grant impersonation befuddle phrase with. Is that the snyder he's like he's like. Have you ever heard of superman because that guy died right next to me. One of themselves like somebody. That's trying to convince someone to do something. Another one just knows the movies going to happen regardless you know what i mean. Like cut doesn't have purpose to scenes just happened around people whereas at least even if you ever does it it makes sense. You know he can. You can go to an internet forum and defended all day long. Which is what this is here for. It is it is amazing. To compare with wands aquaman which had not come out at this stage but if you look at the color grading you like talk about differentiation like weeden color grid is nothing compared to what while the kobe which is like fuck at hyper color and he he obviously is interesting like the way these different filmmakers approach this stuff because he doesn't use that bubble shit at all he he's just like oh fuck. They talk underwater pucca. It's entertaining to think about. I will say for for justice. league zack. snyder's justice league. It's an all time beefcake classic. You got a great to that. Yeah why you got memorial and fucking. Look at cavill this thing. Jesus christ chiseled. Chiseled absolutely even athletic like and this is. He's he's in that stage of his life where he's just like i eat dunkin donuts every single day and i don't care and even he like you know he did a couple with this one so compared to the weeden cut again like where they filmed a lot of ben. Affleck's shit he. He looks like he like throughout his backers. Like he can't even fuck it. Walk around half to seeds that we can. You look ridiculous and it's just such a like again one reason why i don't like the smell much is because he does lose a lot of the kinetic energy of the previous action scenes in. Bbs are like choreographed. Excellent hand hand fighting stuff and this not of that here. It's the cgi soup. There's there's touches of it here and there especially like i said the wonder woman sequence feels grounded enough that you understand what's happening even though it has fantastical elements it's it's it's just a shame that It took all of this work just to get to this film. Where snyder i don't i wonder really. What did he plan. Because i don't know if i'll ever get that answer if this was. Did you actually see the movie when he came out the very first version of this no. I watched it this week for the first time. I saw theaters with a truck on that. And i moved on. I thought i thought the dcu you is done. Yeah as like okay. I the same experience. Yes so it squad happened afterwards. Then suicide squad. What ford de souza's got it okay. It's hard because humana aquaman when which was like. Okay well i. I saw that in theaters like okay on. That was that was better than most of these. So smile nine convince no wonder woman wonder woman was before okay so was twenty. Sixteen wonder woman. Jesse was deputy the bushes and in the same universe. Isn't it joe. Fortunately yes saddam is in the same universe and presumably black. Adam which release date will be in the same universe i don't know about. They might have just abandoned this university stage. Like i know am is technically but i don't. I don't know that even wonder woman eighty four. I suppose but. I think they might just have like this. Regard just doesn't exist anymore so it's not part of this universe because that is gone. Well if you want. I can list some films slated. Well we just. We use received the trailer for the insanely warped mind. Jane's guns one hell. Yes that movie looked so good his the perfect director for that project. he gets it totally get. That will come out this august coming july. Twenty twenty two. We have black adam starring weighing the rock johnson. Then we have. The flash movie comes out november. Twenty twenty two. We have aquaman to in december twenty twenty two and we have shoes zam to in june of twenty twenty three or way. That sounds like all these are connected to this universe. So even if the snyder quote unquote is ending kazaks fighters. Not there the louis. The characteristics that are connected to this universe will be other movies. Well it's all it's all the secondary and tertiary characters like there's like cavill applic- or died. The next batman is just going to be the this. They're doing a standalone. Robert pattinson batman. That should be out this year. And then it's like it's like the same thing with the marble universe which was like that was a series of twenty two films but now like iron man and captain america reagan. You're just gonna do a series of films with all the spin off characters to eat. Make money i guess. The difference is already announced. Well i mean the batman is well on its way by the amartya announce another superman project as well. But you're right. I'm looking at this now and it does say all those forthcoming films are technically. Still part of the dc eu. But something like the batman and this new superman which has not evolved catalog. it's totally different characters superman. I haven't looked into that. I think maybe a black superman which she's got the internet angry of course but yeah. Those are not part of the d. c. You so they're all like they're taking in instead of like. That would be like if marvel was like tomorrow. We are making another iron man but he's not part of the mcu would be like what. Okay no that's kind of what their spider-man's been dealing with for a little bit. Because you know. I mean i know that spiderman is owned by. She crowning whatever it's complicated. Yeah but he's not owned. He's least until he's a good boy they can let them go again. What do you think is the ethical responsibility director. To release a teaser. Like that at the end of a fucking movie that will arguably never get a sequel. Never gonna see. I don't know. I mean he's just he's shooting his shot man. That's what he's gotta do he's. He's got lenders time. There's all these articles like like zack. Snyder was told he could not reshoot reshoots for his movie. He did it anyway. We'll pay out of pocket. I don't fuck out. Well he four totally four went to a salary to have like final cut on the snyder and good for him. Because that's like a really cool thing. And i really do believe that gives a shit about his movies like i really do think he tries really hard even though i think. I don't know this whole snyder. cut is just. It's just too fucking long like it's just too. It's too slow too long. You know. And i i actually. There are some teams to look better in black and white. The justice gray version does have some cool scenes especially superman resurrecting and the scene where momoa like very first leaves to go in the water and batmans talking to him. By the way when jason momoa goes in the water the women start to sing and sing and seeing. And i cannot explain why this is happening at all. I can explain other things. A cigarette grossman come on people that i love when the icelandic come on the counter. Jesus holy shit did you rehearse. What time did you wake up to do this colin. I'm going to have to ask you to dial it back. And i want you to think about some of you ever watch me leave a room full of women and what are they started doing starring you me and momoa got a lot in common talkers. Bathroom i remember. Yeah exactly very weird all right boys. Well we're we're getting near time here. We've got to wrap things up so you know we're gonna we're gonna do some over. I'm going to give you some options. Though you put something over and or you can create your own. Joss weeden justice league joke. Okay so so use the hacky joss weeden formula and see if you can come up with something. That's an option for you. All right thank about it for a second. Okay colleen go ahead. Europe i what are you putting over. Nothing was really much going on us. You gotta you gotta hacky jazz. Weeden job for us really. I'm working on videos and when the bills are out you will most certainly hear me putting it over here. But in the meantime that really i'd say go check out the episode of kosta content that we put Last week about those two animated films. Which were i thought. The discussion was genuinely funny. Because those films are just do not movies. What am i saying please listen. Yeah hey i respect a man who comes on the show and puts over more of the show. I like that. So thank you got it jake. Would he put over. This week will Speaking of long loss directorial visions st. Lemme ask you real quick. Who directed get even john. Hart john hart will. Before john to heart before commie wiso before neil breen craig denny in nineteen seventy five craig denny produced directed and starred in a film called the astrologer which the only way you could previously see. This film was if your local cinema was having a thirty five. Millimeter beat up print of streaming. It's been virtually released nowhere else because he decided to use a moody blue song that he could not get the rights for prevent him from what he said. Fuck it. I'm using the song anyways anyways. A really good to case scan of the film has popped up on youtube and i beg you all. It's worth even having its own episode. It's amazing i'm not gonna say what it's just. What's called the astrologer starring. A guy named craig. Benny who believe he was making something beautiful and i think he succeeded. It's it's amazing it's like and it's also only like seventy minutes long too so Yeah check that out and site. If i can throw a joss sweden joke. It's going to be a superman lands at the final battle. And he says you know what happens to a para demon. When i punched in the face then he punches in the face and he goes the same thing that happens to everything else. That's from x. Men exactly right holiest jaws wrote for x. Men was beautiful. Thank you for that will take you. Might you put over this week You know i'm gonna put over. It's a show that somehow still going on even though it was hacked to death. But if you're interested in what. Snyder seems to be exploring in this material. Because you probably not going to get snyder cut too so maybe move onto something else. But i would suggest watching the first season of american gods. This is neil diamond at tation bryan fuller. Who did hannibal It's very strange. And it's very interesting. Show about god's among us and how they've lost power over time as faith diminish and there are three seasons after the first season they excised bryan fuller part of the cast left and they have the budget to high hell. But apparently it's still trundles onwards. I can't speak to the equality of the latter two seasons i would bet on that being Distinctly lessened but the first season pretty excellent. Check it out. Do you want to put at least one lead sex nighter joke unless note. Is that when you watch is next movie and you will watch his next fucking movie. He's going to make it slow. Just pay attention. What the joker said fine. Well actually no. The joker this dialogue is amazing. What christopher has has has a lot of showdowns with the joker and batman ended dark night and then in the santa cut we have. That meant on the joker. I will fucking kill you a little bit earlier. Do lord myers. You gotta hacky just weeden joke for us. I don't believe in improv steve. Okay i think his name do you. Name is actually joshua. Is that his full name or is it just really just joss. That's a good question. I haven't looked into actually a short for joseph v. I well before you guys go merchantman hunter. Okay bye i still got. I still gotta do put over is actually a joseph hill. Weeden so of course. He chose john abbreviation for joseph. Wonderful joss joss josh josh sky. Yeah wonderful all right well this week. I'm putting over a little movie. From the wonderful country. Turkey called death warrior and this was recently put out on golden video just to close on our show couple of weeks ago. That's that's his his blu ray label and it is kind of the tail end of the turkish cinema boom. So i'm sure you you may be familiar with some of the like the turkish kung fu movies in the nineteen seventies or the really famous one turkish star wars. But you know they're always kind of hacky low budget but superfund riffs on established. John ras distinctly turkish way. Death warrior is not that death warrior is is something far far. I don't know it's deranged. So this is the bottom had completely fallen out on the turkish film industry. At this point. You've got the turkish. Tom cruise arken. And he is starring in this even though he's probably pushing fifty at this point and this film is as silly and nonsensical as as some low budget like turkish. Be movies from that. Eric and be this is the apex. Okay this is. It's at least three or four films kind of up and composite together by director producer. Who it is so just incomprehensible. It makes like a godfrey whole movie. Look like it's on a totally different level. Okay it's it's absolute nonsense insanity incomprehensible but it is endlessly entertaining and fucking hilarious like every single frame of this movie is a god damn work of art the entire end fight like the last five minutes they just light a dummy on fire and this guy just beats the shit out of it with a stick. It's hilarious absolutely hilarious Even even the subtitles are shit. They don't make any sense and that kind of adds to the magic of the whole thing so death warrior. You get it from golden video. You could probably find it on youtube. I'm sure there's not a good version out there. Every version looks like ass. No one should probably watch this but if you are interested if your interest in the astrologer i think death warrior will scratch that as well as far as far as my joss weeden joke goes shering. So it's it's the scene in justice league where he's kind of that flashback to right after the car accident and cyborg is in the lab and he literally like missing all his limbs and screaming out magoni except going. Why are you doing this. Be he turns to his father and goes. Could you give me a hand dad. Any waves as nub all right. Well if you are listening to podcasts right now do a big favor. You can rate and review sinai tunes. That helps us out a lot. And there's a lincoln the description for you to click on so you can. You can do just that that would help us out quite a bit if you want to help us out even more. We have a patriot that you can. You can give money to. Doesn't that sound fun. Given money to people for the low low price of three dollars you can get access to a huge back catalogue. Ve optimism vaccine content as well as new content. And hey guess. What from now until i run out of shit to give away if you become a patriot and subscriber. 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People are asking for the suicide air cut so that is not something we need. I just want. I just want everyone to know. Zack snyder's an interesting filmmaker. He makes a lot of stuff. I don't like but he always. He knows how to wrote me. And i will sit through four hours. Zack snyder's justice league. I put my foot down at david air just because you made the bad thing longer. That doesn't always make it better. I want everyone to know that. And jake last word is yours to fucking kill you.

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Beefcake Brothers

Optimism Vaccine

1:37:30 hr | 5 months ago

Beefcake Brothers

"Everybody welcome back to optimism vaccine. I'm steve and we've got two guests this week. I think this is the first time we've we've done the one guests many times never to guess but it's a very special episode and you know it's the kind of episode or i think you need to guess because it's really a double whammy if you will so joining us. I've got max the store which who you know from good news. Bad view. seattle jets podcasts. Name right when fuck it up. Maxine doing took you like three times me being on the show. Yeah it's it's the bad beers great cinema podcast and you can listen to that on your microsoft zun also joining us azoun. I take time. I think zun zun was good. It was a good value prop. Okay you didn't get the flashy apple stuff but it was cheaper and less prone to problems in my experience and people seem to like the audio fidelity so fuck zun haters. Even they david brown weren't they like just an ugly swamp brown. I didn't now the black and blue. Yeah adam my rose. He definitely had throughout college. He would carry around the swamp ass doodoo browns soon so i just swab s brown. It was swamp brown with like a translucent green overcoat. Oh yeah that's the style past the design phase like an oil slick puddle in a grocery store parking lot. I don't know much about my roots but that that's scans what about him. Yeah right i'd say so. He's he's a doodoo brown. Mp three player kinda guy by the way this is. This is clear being bottom. You know whereas. Claire to the max on Instagram and twitter and she's himba historian. Is that right. yes. I said. I also just kind of like era site the other people's podcast so i don't have to start my own. That's the that's the best way to do it. Because then you have no responsibility zero expectations and you just you just jump in and you could be that shining beacon of light and then you go away and everybody like we want more claire but you just you just of give them a little bread crumbs right over saturate the market. It's kind of like how you don't want to own your own boat. You want to have a friend with the boat exactly. Luckily i have a lot of you know. White dude friends that want to talk to the microphones. Yeah how many. How many white guys do you know in their thirties. And that's the number of podcasts. That you have the opportunity to guest on so exactly. That's gus good. What it works. The clare magic is israel. Shit because max. What is the number one downloaded. Episode of your podcast. Well most recently. It was the special of you. And claire and i and dave talking about cats green heavily and watched cats. Yeah that's good so if you want a really nuanced decision of which cat probably fox the most. It's therefore you you could check mascot. Also that somehow gets thrown in there so ejects with us too by the way hijack. How're you doing. Good be your seat. I apologize in france. I think this episode is my folk. This this is entirely your fault. Well i mean you could have brought this to our attention and then i got very very excited because various louis. There's only been a few things in the history about ms missing vaccine that i've got really excited about. I think the last time i was excited was when we heard that was going to be releasing the sinful dwarf on blu ray and noticed in full dwarf is but i need one and yeah that worked out great which by the way if you're into dwarfs that are sinful and also seeing an wiped bought holes on your screen sinful dwarf great for that so just silat with the i'm white about holes somehow of overlap yet but i think jack you just like you found was at the poster or or like the it was the poster for the barbarians. I know it's the funniest thing i've ever seen. So of course shared with you and then you found out. They had multiple films and interviews at spar control from there. Yeah because i got. I got really deep into barbarian brothers because when you see a poster with to just tan jack boys and it says the barbarian starring the barbarian. Brothers like okay. My interest has been peak. And then once you google and you start going down that rabbit hole. That's when things get really interesting. So if you guys will indulge me. I'm going to give you a little bit of barbarian brother lore here to kind of set. The stage is that cool. I wish you would have given this to me like friday afternoon. We'll you can. This is all available on youtube. I been trying to document it actually on twitter. Just good barbarian brother knowledge. So steve. Steve is it fair to say that these these big boys started in our small stage. That's all i now they did. They did indeed you know. They were born in connecticut but they spent a lot of time in rhode island. And i guess they were. They were little chubby children and they decided and they've worked this into all of their movies as well. They like to remind you that in their world you could you could either. I don't know get your ass kicked or get jacked. And they chose getting jacked and boy. Did they ever get jacked. They're fucking huge and so once. They got adequately jacked as teenagers. They actually opened their own gym and allegedly according to one of the barbarian brothers in an interview that i was listening to because this is how i spend my free time. They went to the gym at rhode island university and they stole all of the mirrors from the gym and then they hung them up in their own gym. The barbarian brother jim and that's how they got their start stealing very cool beautiful american story. That is the american dream. You're just too ridiculously jack. Dudes just walk in and start taking off the wall. Who's going to tell them. No certainly not me. Certainly not college jim people. Yeah exactly. yeah. If i'm getting paid minimum wage to a look after a gym. I don't like someone half the size of the barbarian brothers could come in. I'm going to take all the shit. And i'd be like all right fine. How many american businesses got their start pillaging institution of learning capitalism. It's it's the whole thing. Tastic this is. This is what our country was founded upon so they continue to get jacked and then they decided it's not enough to be just jacked. This was a period. Where arnold schwarzenegger kind of blew up. He had done pumping iron and the entire west coast. Bodybuilding scene was really exploding and on top of that arnold had started to transition into movies. And the arnold schwarzenegger thing is important here. Because i want you to remember. Arnold schwarzenegger limited english at first. Okay not great not great. Where does he get his start. Well he does hercules and new york and he discount it. Okay both both of these films other conan sequel to they require very little from him in terms of actual acting. Okay he's just a big physical presence because that's what he does best then later on. He sort of transitioned into more comedic roles and honestly arnold a funny guy like arnold comedy i will go to bat for now. This is significant because the barbarian brothers. They sort of took it. They they did a reverse. Arnold and you could call their career kind of reverse arnold as well in terms of the trajectory because they said wow. We're really funny and articulate and that's dubious claim But they they decided. Let's be we're funding. We're going to be in these action movies but we are funny guys. we're hilarious. And so they made their way to hollywood and they continue to work out at the gym. They were kind of just sort of like a gimmick. They got interviewed on the news all the time. They were called the lumberjack brothers because they didn't have a lot of workout clothes. They would always wear flannel when they would work out just full flannel outfits. Flannel just cheap in the eighties. Like i don't know if the economic recently flannel will be critical. No plan to full. I was thinking like a rhode island thing. I'm not sure it would make sense. That they are from the midwest that would you know. I like jack midwestern guys. Just go into the code of the gold gym and just lifting and flannel and suspenders. Define expectations from us at straight out of the gate. Incredible incredible men and they started atlanta about your tv spots. They would go on like local talk. Shows like it's wake up. La with suzy whatever and they would go on there and like rip phone books and lift up chairs and talk about being jack dudes and shit like that now. This was their way to parlay into film roles. So they got cut a minor roles in in dc cab which is like a mr t. movie from the early eighties but their first big role was a starring role in a little movie called the barbarians internationally renowned boys building. Peter and david how we feel in the power guys boys of bodybuilding and their internationally known they are not and we have yet internationally they were known as the like breaking the rules of bodybuilding. Whatever those would i'm confused. I don't know what that entails this. This was an international film. It was filmed in italy from the director of cannibal holocaust. So from the guy who brought you. I'm going to kill a tortoise and film. It comes lavar burien brothers. He's apologized for that. Since but i don't know if he ever apologize for this one doesn't seem likely i mean. I don't think there's anything to be. You know somebody here not like jack dudes or i mean. There's a lot of good stuff. Look just right out the gate. We'll get into the debate gritty. This filled doesn't like the story of this film. Doesn't make any sense delivery. The opening scene is describing how a king gave up his kingdom. Free secret jewel. That would protect people understood. That was more important than riches and now he's people just traveled land because they have the jewel that protects them and the roof. Racine is them getting just attacked a couple of guys in horses in getting the shit kicked out of them. All the jewel is earn. What you will do. And then the rest of the movies the finding julich in which didn't work in the first scene well. The jewel jewel is a treasure. Troll thing right and if it fits in your belly button then you get to be. The queen would fit in there. And she doesn't do she. She just gives someone else and tells him to jump off a horse wagon run pretty much jewel ultimate power. The the the the troop of people are pretty much like the world's first group of podcasters because they're just going around and doing whimsical shit and stuff and they're attacking chelsea equivalents of mad. Max dylan's with their garish costumes and high-speed dangerous chase scenes. But yeah it's i don't know of all the movies we're going to talk about today. This is one of the better ones in my opinion. But i'd like to think that the magic ruby is kind of like a chaos emerald from sonic and it's similar yeah slash source there. Who are the bad guys. Are like dr robotic. We gotta keep it away from them. Where does that put the dust master. Or what's what's his name. Mass master michael berryman of hills of fame. Yeah garrett master. Well what are we gonna call this character. Who runs a dirt. Mine we gotta call them the dirt master. It's it makes perfect sense. So we fares steve's to have low self esteem. the movie seems like he just doesn't know what he's doing he's really he. Just tortures the brothers. The brothers are kidnapped. We should clarify early in the movie. They're they're they're kidnapped and they're brought up until their burly men which happens dirt master overseas them and tortured them then when they break free he seems really pleased about it. So he's kind of like his own agent of chaos. Frankly i think it's just as he doesn't doesn't really enjoy job is not quite sure. What's going on. Yeah he's actually my second favorite character. My favorite character in this is is the peewee. Herman going to coachella guy. He's he's the head the trampoline ruby holders but he has this great line. All of his lines are good. What is it like aeros or something like that. But he's got this great line where he's the whole time so everything he says. It's very dramatic and the barbarian brothers show up to to this camp okay and originally when the when the belly button. Ruby was stolen. The barbarian brothers were just little babies and then they were raised into the muscular. Jimbo's that they are today. And when they return to the travelling camp coachella peewee. Herman he says this. Stay where you are fatty like again. These guys have like negative twelve percent body fat foot in gans. Scans that maybe just because no one else in the movies. Jack like these shoots are maybe they just don't understand because later on in the movie. A guy specifically challenges them to an arm wrestle so like which is like the what i'll just. I'll tell you what you can have this amazing deal but only if you beat me in an arm wrestling contest and it's like of all the people in the planet. Yeah i did. That's what you're gonna do. Maybe these guys just don't understand that kind of a musket like you get a certain point like he's just fat fuck clearly. I would challenge these guys around of high school quiz bowl personally but just shea sme- like don't think it would like i think that would work. Fine yeah i think like the villagers here really subscribe to like the bmi is really like time powell out the height weight scale which shows them. It's probably morbidly obese. That's true. Yeah so he may as well of challenge them. Just lift up something heavy several times after in the and this guy. He's a little moment of life where we're going to get weapons. We'll get weapons from this guy though. We have no money. Yeah i'm not going to give you the weapons unless you can beat me in an arm wrestling match as this. That's the plot of the whole movie. Like i say it opens with something that doesn't make a lot of sense they lose a ruby. That's about five protection. The rest of the movie is finding the ruby again and in the middle they have a sequence for the cleverly defeat a afo because he challenges them in the one arena in which they're good at any day that's the one thing he would decide. Do i mean this is like when i when i challenged max to like a peck popping contest. And i know. I'm going to lose but part of me thinks deep down that i'm the best but i know that's not the case so it's worth noting the challenge george eastman who is huge himself. Put not that you now steve. It's important that you have faith in yourself that even though you will lose against me that you still have you can win. That's true that's true. I just i got to believe in myself more. That's that's at the end of the day. That's what it comes down to lethal belief because they're not actors and yet we're talking about four films safe in this also kind of sets the template for what to expect from barbarian brothers film because i mentioned like they're kind of commitment to comedy and this really doubles down on that and the barbarian brothers specifically said like they set us up as just an action movie. And they're like well you know it was just good action movie. We're guys in the we ad libbed a bunch of comedy and they kept it in so the only reason that kept it in because the director is exactly enough film to do two takes and you guys just added a fucking joke in the middle of it. So we're going with it. I love the insisted that they made a call. Petite insisting on limping just an ingenious move on your first movie these guys are also like classic hembo mold too because we know like you could watch them and you just know like these guys are very passionate and they had a lot of confidence but they're not the smartest boys okay and there's a great interview with them and just to kind of set the scene. This was on the local news in los angeles talking about the barbarian brothers and they were driving around in a jeep with the top down. Just like yelling at people. And they're wearing white bathrobes and nothing else and they're driving. Play screaming at a cop are moves players like you should go see in the cops like okay and then they promptly drive up some stairs like giant stone stairs in front of like a courthouse or some shit people running away for the g. lazy rocky. So that's it and then it cuts to them and they're talking about their philosophy in life and the guy say this. I believe in the greek philosopher. Aristotle believe in an equal balance between body and mind. So i have to wait five hundred pounds for my body just the biggest brains on these boys. Just huge huge brains. Dan or my god. It's really beautiful. So what i want to know is maxine. Said this is one of your favorite barbaria brother. Movies what what puts it at the top. So i as i was saying i watched these in reverse order and i believe that. This is one of the most distinct of the of the four that i watched like. It's one of the ones. I'm going to remember mostly because I kinda like the The sorcery genre films are stories. Or whatever and i think the this movie does have some interesting costumes of the set design is kind of fun at some point. Like the villain. Qatar since his thrones on this giant powell quinn. That's held up by like fifteen slaves or just kind of like you know. Lift him up like always when he's there and it's i don't know it's it's interesting. It's it's it's where you get a lot of the hallmarks of the barbara brothers movies. Like there's always going to be a joke about the twins being mistaken for one another or surprise that there's two of them as well as ropes never being tied strong enough more them so in comparison with some of the other ones. There's some memorable things in this not accepted at their good that it's memorable but you know it's fun if you look at it as like an hour and a half fantasy romp that you could see. Yeah time in terms of like the quality of the film making to like the barbarians is probably the best looking. I would say like you said like the design is great. It's a good example of just all the archetypes of sword and sorcery films. I think the funniest thing is. I mean this is the bar. Burien starring the barbarian brothers and what sinks this movie. It's probably the brothers to be completely honest. And the reason is i firmly. Believe the barbarian brothers succeed when they are playing complete idiots who just happened to stumble into success but in some of these movies they play. I mean there's still complete idiots but misunderstood and it turns out they were great all along and i can't get that from them because they're fucking more odds and that's okay. You're not kidding anyone here like you can't though it is part of being a hembo. A giant dragon dog thing. It looks like falco comes out of the swamp and they kill it and shit. I'm like that's believable. But then when they're like ooh smarter than the average guy in cloth. I'm like absolutely not suspension of disbelief. Out the fucking window. There's there's nothing that suggests that they're like super smart. I mean the whole thing is destiny again in hand well authored. This film is at the start. They talk about healthy. The chosen people have two young boys and a girl from outside. And wouldn't you know those three people turn out to be he in the entire thing and it turns out one woman in the film outside. Who who's role isn't exactly already predetermined it turns out. She's actually the chosen one at the girl that they they talked about in the in the start 'em as evenly ru who honestly think this really well in this film because honestly she is an actress and so most film is the margarian brothers and her and she's just kind of like doing you know regular proper stealth to just appear. You know interesting on screen. Will these guys are just like rating like cattle. Just flex constantly. It's bowl they seem to do. It's it's such a bizarre. Did you save brand new like cattle. Does you were question. Serious question do you think. Dax saw this movie. And like a saturday afternoon like wait. I know what's going to be my shtick. that's it. that's that's i was thinking that like. This has to be a conscious decision by the barbarian brothers. Because obviously we're confused. Which one is peter. And which one is david. It gets a little bit easier in future movies because they just go by their first names presumably because like working as character names. They were getting confused. I'm just gonna say not that much easier. But you're you're not functional functional. Yeah not that much easier so the only difference is the guy who makes that noise. I think he makes that noise in all of the movies at some point so like. That's like the one that does that you baca. And the the one that doesn't and that's how you differentiate between your barbarian brothers right masher her and no one's lisa care. We're going to get into movies later where women are like you know. I don't care which one i fuck. Oh please double team me barbarian brothers. It gets really weird. Really quick. Young steve where we where we did it sword and sandal episode a couple of a couple of episodes back. And an you talk about how also like sword and sandals like the most dudes rock. Sean women women don't get in the way the guys in these And same here. Yeah the main woman like just new romantic attachment whatsoever in this movie and in most movies it. Just don't even try it but no it fits in this. One is a little bit we're later on. It's extra weird or the one where they do romance and they end up sharing The barbera it's all about dudes rochman you you never. You never let the woman. It's between you and this one because this is directed by sierra data who also did one of my favorite movies which is Live like a cop. Die like a man which would've seen this aid cop movies because it's too like catalog model beautiful men in wonderful like designer outfits and they're basically just to fascistic cops who murder everyone in the like share women and it's like the hobo were offic tension between the two of them in the move is like absolutely incredible movie or this documentary about actual pops. It's incredibly close. Joey really cuts deep on. It's just to like she's psycho pats. Who have the vestiges of being heterosexual. But i don't believe for a minute and it's weird that it is movie. He just caught suicide. No no one will want anything to do with these guys. They have time for it. They're too busy really lifting stuff now. I want to see that. That's that's an excess redoing doing fascist. Cops who wanna kiss each other. That's that's the next episode is it is a treasure trove of generally found kind delight. All say this is amazing. This is that we're really doing a public service here. Look at look. We're we're giving people all these wonderful. Things are opening doors and windows and opportunities for people to really expand their cinematic palate. The other thing. I wanted to. It was like what obviously the barbarian brothers their fashion icons and the to the sexiest man alive. Like when when. I think about our burien brothers. All i can think of is like them kind of tracking with madonna's trajectory around the same time like in terms of like what they symbolize. Where does on the on. The horny and fashionable scales. Where does the barbarian brothers movie. The barbarians lie because it feels a little bit too low for me for my taste. I think of the movie we watched. This is the least fashionable. I think that's just because they went full in lake on the set and beaming. Like i'm not complaining about seeing them shirtless for the entirety of a movie. Like i'm super into that but there's so much wonderful top notch fashion in some of the later movies at this i think is at the von list. Yeah exactly cost you. Budget here is basically spend baby oil. That's it keeping them glistening and just view nicely moist throughout the entire picture did appreciate all the butts. We see in the harem though. I was train them. Thong assuming they're all gonna barbarian burien but but then we saw lady button. I was like. I can fuck with us. See everybody. everybody's happy a lot a lot of bisexual energy just emanating from the barbarians. I think i'm the person person for you to have on the exactly exactly well after the success not colossal failure of the barbarians needed for razzies. So pumper i mean but the rosie's been wrong. They've always been wrong. The razzies urges. I'm amazed he's heard that these. Yeah that's also true either. The razzies are a barometer that points towards greatness. Personally that's how i see it. But after this they they decided you know truckdriver movies were good in one thousand nine hundred seventy seven. They were real big. It was all the rage i mean. Cw mccall released. His hit song convoy and everybody was like. Yeah we want to listen to a song just talks into a radio. That's great so then. The barbarian brothers said. Why don't we make a movie with the guy who's going to go on to make national treasure and it's about trucks and it's called think big polly's invention in turn anything off. Unfortunately what it's turned on is the mom. Now holly's only vote is with in from this barbarian were always popular respected by their boss on definitely going places. Big fucking hated this movie. It's truck driver. Click i don't even know the fuck it is cross. This is the crossover between optimism vaccine and good news bad news because we did national treasure to a little over a year ago so i was surprised to see a familiar direct. Oriel name regards to these movies. But yeah i think big is not a good movie it does have a. It does have a nice supporting cast. Though you had the credits is like an incredible surprise. Me winslow tommy. Tiny lister and martin orlova assume he'll yeah richard All these people are like what the fuck is. This movie turns out. It's a disaster. Yeah it's very much nineties movie because it has that animated opening weekend at bernie's and also a hip hop seem like you would see in the barbarian brother. Yes max and. I'm so glad you mentioned that because you know all of us all those barbro heads out there as we call ourselves we. We often talk about the movies. The films the cinema of the barbarian brothers. But i don't feel like we spend enough time talking about their music which seems to have been lost to the sands of time. I can't find anything. But i was able to pull out a clip from a song that they recorded. I think it was around the same time as the release the barbarians or maybe between the barbarians and think big. But it's called. i'm a wild one. I don't know if you're familiar with that hot track but it's got this great line. Britain murky climbs the highest tree. The further he climbed more he see what have greater this. You're listening to the great barred over here. Either peter or paul. I'm not sure which one great music video too if you wanna look it up. It's just it's them. Like yelling into microphones and there's just like various jungle. Animals that have been brought in. That are just kind of like hanging on them. It's good shit. Mac when we get married the wedding song of course. Yeah i actually demand that that'd be a wedding song for someone. Anyone maybe a barbarian brothers themed wedding. I've just thrown out there. The costuming ovalles the costuming. Yeah so picture this picture this. Okay max is he's he's standing at the altar right and he's he's just loaded up in shoulder pads and he's wearing the little too scrawny to love you but through true absolutely rip rippling in pads okay. And he's wearing the suit from double trouble and then clare the music. It's okay. I'm a wild one starts playing. And then claire walks down the aisle and she's wearing an oakland raiders crop top and ripped jeans. If you're gonna say any other costume. I was just going to like exit. This podcast now. Like how dare you. Steve cup of not knowing beth. Back with a phillies. We're we're getting ahead of ourselves but the crop talk. Sweatshirt is a fashion classic. That's never going out that we get to that movie. Well this is kind of like a theme right like shirts cannot contain these guys. And i don't blame them because look at them like how can a shirt possibly fit them. It doesn't work. I don't even remember what they're wearing. Most i know one of them seems to be wearing this huge like open kind of open necked like robes almost. It's just it's on the poster to and it's like very flashdance. Yeah it's got a little bit flashdance or like like a white guy to sheiky but it just comes off as like a bedsheet. Like he was wearing like a ghost costume and he just pulled it down too hard now. He's just kind of like swimming in it. I don't know probably happened to him at least once in his life he pulled the pull the covers up over his head. Peter i cared like ripped had through the sheets. I yeah getting back to this movie. Okay is this is the worst one of them for me personally. And it's because this movie is feels like a sketch comedy film that just no funny people it is just. There's no reason for anything in this movie to happen and it just keeps happening over and over again for ninety minutes. Yeah i i struggled with just because i thought it was going to be it gears okay. It's a movie about trucking. Sorry go roll the fucking credits It kind of shifts between like what it's trying to do and what it's trying to make the story about bills like every ten minutes you know at first is like oh. They're helping this woman to the hospital is having a baby in this like completely off the rails insane opening where a woman's like squeezing a child out and they're barreling down this road in a big she get in their truck like i want to know what we find a pregnant woman on the side of the way our through in the back of an empty fucking big rig trailer to just roll around while they drive. I think in my head. It's just like david peter. Is that woman now dave. She's dilating and then they just start throwing fucking back. That's probably what did happen. I can't imagine a going down in any other way so but but then it kind of it. Introduces this like child. Who's being chased by the mob and then there's like a toxic waste element is school for genius children. She's invented this universal remote that can operate any electrical device. And now they're just selling those at best buy. Yeah that's it pretty much. This this one will except for this. One doesn't have any meaningful user interface. So it's extremely difficult to use. Which makes me question this girl's genius credentials. Frankly and she's trying to escape from. I think like the principal from sabrina. The teenage witch ramesses evil stool that steals. All these genius children's inventions. He's trying to sell them to the military so she she refines his out so she wants to escape. So she hitches a ride with the to truck man dry for what the rest of the film. It's it's just a series of them traveling with her to try to get to l. a. But they're also doing a trucking room. They also after like yeah he a shipment and it's like at any given point in any given see you kind of forget why any of this is happening because it really like very clearly doesn't matter there's no dramatic like i know it's a comedy like there's no like even the semblance of a plot just kind of guide. It just falls by the wayside edges ends up with just two big men shouting at each other. We're supposed to love the horse. Well another element here. Which i don't know if this is kind of conned by the producers of the director later into the movie. I noticed this what. I was reading the the summary on letterbox. Which pulls from the it's not imdb. I think it's which is the other. Imdb but the description that it pulls in is like too severely. Mentally handicapped brothers are tucked truckdrivers. Help a girl with a magic remote. Go to los angeles was just like what. What is that fucking said explicitly. Okay that sounds to me like it's worth mentioning the cult film but there this story for this film came from the gym Ski who are best known. For directing hundred movies about topless women in a single location and shopping and shopping. Mall which is like his one of his more lavish per tokens m. Yeah like a man who can make film over the weekend if you ask him nicely But somehow he's got story credit on this he didn't. I could absolutely imagine when or ski. Making a movie. About to mentally challenged men embarking on leggy forrest gump for truckers or. Something like. that's absolutely something he could have cooked up. I don't know he's he only gets story credit you so i don't know how much of naursky left in there but that plot summary sounds more like a or ski film than film itself. I just can't imagine like okay. Max imagined you are the produce producer at a big studio. Okay i'm jim. Monarchy made boob which seven and dial six six six evil. Which is actually. I think a movie that he made. I walk in. I go okay no script but hear me out. It's two truck drivers. There's a girl with the magic remote and they drive around and you're like what do you say so. Imagine me puffing on a giant cigar. I'm saying this. Does the girls remotes. Make their tits pop out. Of course. the owner north is the truck itself full of boobs. It's everywhere this boobs. As far as the eye could see your the check for a million dollars. And i saw a cornucopia overflowing with bosom. Yeah that's she's a check for a million dollars. Yeah there's a there's a scene where they open the back doors to the semi truck and then dislike piles and piles of boobs follow That's all you all the sounds. This sounds great from jim. Uenoski the man who did direct film colts scared taught us. None of that makes it into this. Who fish that all the time. I just you know. Like i see skeleton literal shildt teenager. They can't do that now. Would be odd becoming. That will be the italian director. Who came before in his podcast. They can't do that now. This is an american production. Now laws exactly. It's it's weird sex sexless movie about just two giant men at who are Here's the whole thing is they're trying to make the terrible truckers and they're trying to make payments on their truck at because they just wanna truckers in life that's all they want to be is truckers. But they suck their Being truckers They're still better being truckers at the end. They're still bad at being truckers. They fuck it up and then the genius despise the truck resume presumably. Just keep these infant like these infant men just trucking onward just fassulo film disney saw this. And they're like this is the guy we need to do cool runnings. We need him all right. This is important jordan. What like four years off the pace of over the top which this movie bakes look pretty cool. I was thinking the same thing. This movie's got big over the top energy. Yeah but double stallone double stallone like how many pay gradients down from self. Esther slowed are the barbarian. Even though there's two of the is double the mossel they're just billed as one. Oh so segue from this movie into the next movie. So the movie ends on a happy note The girl gets away from the mob. An arts selling the remote. Because she's a capitalist through and through and she acts the brothers on the truck and says rager breaker one nine or calling double trouble. Which is the next film in this category. It's real james bond kind of like the the barbarian brothers universe so they know where they're going which is terrifying 'cause it doesn't look like they notice the more planning. You assume went into each of these products for confusing. All of them becalm yeah. It's great to because once we transition which before we do that real quick clare. What's what's the sexy level. And what's the fashion level big. I think my favorite fashion moment might not even be from barbarian brother. It's from a holly at the end. Whether at her boyfriend's house and she has like the little the crop top. Like the jeans and i was very fashionable for nine hundred and ninety. I'm into this moments. High sexy value of one of them gets the girl Who is like the school counselor or whatever. She's also very attractive. So there's there's a decent amount of sexiness still not my favorite fashion moments in the series though. That's coming up next. That's right because there's there's continuity here because we go into the next movie and even though. The brothers have completely changed professions. They're still toxic waste and mob figures. I guess to deal with Which kind of carries over into the final barbarian brothers movies. So maybe all three of these exists in the same universe. We're going to have to ponder that one but varian brothers cinematic universe. The bbc the bbc. You as it's known now before. I play the trailer for double trouble. Normally what i do is i take the existing trailer and i cut it down to between twenty and thirty seconds. Whatever and that's the trailer. There is no double trouble trailer on youtube. That i could find could've spent hours just scouring the internet trying to find it. I'm sure it's out there somewhere. Especially when it's weird. Steve because the whole fucking movies on youtube yeah exactly and also the version. That's on youtube. Is like a decent looking rip. That was on encore or something so you would think like this has to exist but it doesn't so instead. I made my own thirty second trailer using the weightlifting scene double trouble. So if you guys will indulge me here. Is my trailer that i cut together owned to due to me okay. Submarines back to the gym like two or three times a little over the top. He's more than his loss of his relationship with his brother. And so beijing through the lifting of heavy objects but this. This comes on the heels of what i would describe as the greatest moment in cinematic history. Okay so to paint. Paint the scene here someone as a joke. I think it's to call the cop. Barbarian brother like detective barbara. Somebody works with wants to like basically like your pussy so he gives them a cat and so the barbarian brother detective barbaro. He puts the cat in a box. He takes it home and then just incredibly fucked up series of events. The camera remains stationary as we watch. Detective barberry remove the cat from the box takeout a plate from the sink. Put down go into the fridge where he has a jar of fucking baby food just pure white baby food. Why does he have baby food. We don't know he spoons the baby food onto the plate and then he takes a bag of cat litter dumps it in the sink and says do you got to go use the sink. Don't watch about this. i noticed. Transitions horny weightlifting. it's it's an incredible For the sink like do men of his salt is not need sinks. Is there like so transitional point where you don't need running water anymore kitchen at there's also no no falsehoods in the sink. I don't know how that works. And but the whole scene with the cat just cut. It's like the long goodbye. The robert altman film. You know we're gould Five with his cat in that movie which is one of the great movies. We're gonna that. Movie gives a very early arnold schwarzenegger Who is in a supporting role as bodybuilder just in the tobacco the heavy of one of the bad guy is he's not even credited in the movie i think it's such a small rural so Going on here and the best science honestly though is that ed. This movie is good and i don't understand. I'm glad i was sit down any day. I'll watch double trouble. And i was not expecting that going into this cat. Scene was instance them trying to make it to a tight ninety padding in this movie. Think eighty six minutes. Yeah it barely barely hits its mark. And there is there's tons of padding but it's the best kind of padding right because i'm not complaining about the padding padding. Yeah this is this is the amount of padding that max is going to need to fill out the giant barbarian brother suit on your wedding day. Okay we're talking that there's so many scenes where the barbarian brothers are just doing normal human shit but because they're just massive steak men. It looks ridiculous anytime they are running down the street. It's so fucking funny to me. I can't stop laughing at it. It's their scenarious for various is barbarian brothers forty eight hours just in case anyone's when like man at the barbarian brother sound cool but i really wish was like a matchup with like a nick. Nolte eddie murphy. Movie good news. You're covered that's what this is. The data at one barbro is a police officer who's uniform is basically exists. The aforementioned la raiders crop tops sweatshirt and jeans incredible and then his brother who is a professional jewel thief. His feast generally tend to be three professional bilfinger quotes by the way. What the fuck must call the cox myself. Then i spray pretty smiley threes on the wall. He's paying a cat because he's a cat burglar well work. Yeah that's it makes sense anyhow through a series they. They're obviously their divorce from each other. Because one is on the side of the law on the other isn't but through a series of events that don't actually make any sense if you think about them. They are jammed together. They're partnered together by the lapd to catch someone else for some reason Honestly i enjoy this movie. I don't think i could tell you why things happen. There's there's there's a guy who's worse than you will be barbro gonna catch him and that's the whole movie ennis's basically two guys who are like a cop criminal. We could be more different accent there to enjoy norm students with the same hair type of question for you max. Are you familiar with the director of this beautiful film Let's see here who is directed by john paragon other than he is the director of the next film of you're going watchings also John paragon did big adventure. Which is one of my. And he plays pee. Wee's playhouse he's giambi the fucking a genie head thing. Pee wee's playhouse. He's fucking giambi which is amazing. So the sever genie had a hi mecca. Hiney ho that's that is who is directing this now we there's a lot of echoes in the bar. Burien brother cinematic universe. The bbc and this is another one because echo is because it's a lot of screaming. It's a lot of screaming. Yeah but we go from in their in their first starring role to seeing coachella herman to actually getting a guy that was involved with herman. Also another question for max. Do you think david carradine the barbarian brothers money at this point or something like does he keep showing up possibly possibly is. It's very strange. He's doing the willie nelson for all year for some reason. That's literally what it is. It said that Goes to all to his mentor in prison at. It's like right out a fee for james congo's visit willie nelson but it. This case it's a joy normally meets latman talking to david carriage at one day on and probably took eight to nine percent of the vote. That sounds about right. That sounds like a aside from david. Carrying there's also a roddy mcdowell as the end of this movie who out acts everyone whenever he is onscreen This is super slow. It's like about almost an hour as a minute movie before you know what the actual plot or there's something about diamonds and then the subway goes under the diamond exchange is apparently a place and whenever sitting in there's yeah housing where they keep all the diamonds in los angeles. Free buildings one safe. That has the diamonds in them that they now know how to unlock. Peter has like the magic credit card unlocking key that he's stolen in early heist and something or other. But this movie does have one of the most interesting looking movie goons i've ever seen. Which is there's a doughy guy with a mustache at ponytail. Which it's there's something about like that weird combination of human thumb with a porno stash in a pullback ponytail. Yup this is made in the early ninety. S all the villains in this total c-grade villains just just totally elevated like the ginger guy. Who's supposed to be the one that we're all really intimidated by. That's fun we love him. Not offer intimidating. Yeah we we ever main bad guy who just murders. All joker. I mean really. Christopher nolan probably ripped off the dark noise. I think so yeah driver that kills the guy right yup. Okay so what i. I was like half paying attention. Because i was finishing up like up around the house and i had to do a triple take. Consider a second. I thought it was. Seth green and i was like chivalry. No let me. Let me rewind this timeline. Knesset's reading was busy being in a movie arcade by our previous subject. Albert pune time yup. Yup he was not available for this. Unfortunately it look just enough like him and the movie where i was very very very and i think that's a good analog for how not threatening this guy is like roundup the on set green to be very threatening person this guy. The main bad guy looks like him. Were shit. he's dangerous each just. Looks like he's cigar. Sal really doesn't read in a movie full of very large man. I don't know why they went with that. I don't know if you guys picked up on this too but one of the things that was really. I really just attach myself to is trying to figure out the audience for these movies because on one hand they seem like films and then on the other hand. They're hyper fucking violent. Simple this is great for twelve year old me because like this has guys getting blasted in the chest with shotguns but also it has like this is four rate at like the barbarians and double trouble or or race it. I think the other two are a big. I think it's pg thirteen. It's in that wheelhouse have like we'll say shit but not much is going to happen. And i think last movie is like pg. i think. i think it's firmly kid friendly. It might be thirteen though. I don't know. I don't know i think it's kid friendly but at the same time i'm just like there's some stuff in here it's like you need to have some conversations with your children if they watch barbarian brothers movie kids movie. Has the three subset dies issues. We're going to talk a lot about that. Yeah claire again. What are the sexy levels where the fashion level. So we find here. This one is almost by the raiders. Crap cop obviously we all knew that was coming also whichever one one of the barbarians. Where's the hell out of the suit. That's peter sir. I wrote down here. My notes david good guy. Top peter. Bad guy suit life. I feel like this scene where it's like. They're him bows and then. He dresses up in a suit and looks really nice. So that georgia the jungle. Putting on a suit could run jungle. Is the modern day barbarian brother. He's the loss barbarian brother in a lot of ways. He's the he's the ease with the spike dudley of the parker. Bros exactly exactly if i could have like. Jungle brendan fraser. What on a open raiders. Sweatshirt cropped up. I've might lose my mind you i would. I would legitimately someone photoshop that for clare. We need. That will be too much much for celluloid dan which is interesting. The projector listening has any photoshop skills. Wants to fill up my bank thing. We brennan your wearing in. Oakland raiders Crop of i will do something for you in return. I don't know what a quid pro quo photo shopper. Vinyl points of this on this movie. Okay so i. I think this is the best of the bunch at because one thing on like this movie is a couple of credible jokes in us at a few of the marine delivered by the barbarian brothers is like one scene where what won't see where one of the barbarian brooks. I can't tell them. Apart at the bad one comes out and ask them for directions. Those where did i go because he knows brother just went like that. Yeah that's a real joke. There's one actually. I think legitimately good joke in this movie like an actual genuine film joke when the bad guys too bad bad guys not just the bad barbarian guy. He's not really bad. He's just big Described the tiers of in. This is a wonderful film really but the bunda win. The really bad guys are breaking into the big diamond building. Anneli which definitely exists at they don white in and The police no. They're going to rob it but they don't know how so they don't realize they're going to like explode in from the bottom. Apparently for some reason the police side. We're going to stand outside the front door but we're not going to guard any other. Entry went to the building which gives you an idea of how well all those thing is so anyway they dynamite into the volt and obviously dyed 'cause shaking so like the explode the dynamite and it cuts to the dome police chief front holding coffee and his coffee shakes like in jurassic park and then he just like hands we think oh they've been tipped off and instead the guy the police chief hands to coffee off to a subordinate says. Give me some non. Decaf joke is handed shake and he mixes things up. you know. honestly their eight-year hollywood comedies. That are being released right now. Don't have a joke as well altered. Is that right. yes screenwriters. Buddies green writers watch double trouble started barbarian roads. You'll learn a thing to watch movie at any time. I still don't understand why a lot of things happening but this definitely i think the closest for me that the barbarian brothers get to be like a sensible film entity like the film understands that they are offered you ridiculous like this the first movie where they run around holding guns all the time. Guns are tiny in their hands and look like toys and they took work at all but the movie seized her role really. Like i don't know this movie rains in the visual ridiculousness of the barbarian brothers. I think and plays with in probably the most complete way for me so i you know this this movie. I think honesty for me the fillet and appreciate these guys are the choices to fill. I also like the weird joke where i mean. I don't know just a humorous moment. Where the bad brother was like. Maybe i should be after this. How much do you make an. It's like a joke about how cops don't get paid anything. Yeah it's just like twenty thousand you know we know what year. Oh shoot at you. Yeah i think it's great. It's yeah it's also you just occurred to me. That barbaric talk about how the barbarian brothers don't really have any credible romantic elements threat three of the four movies and in the fourth movie which will get to their romantic leaders. Just fucking weird comfortable in this one Jewel thief brother. Dull have kind of girlfriend like his acrobat girlfriend. Who's like i don't know. She's really inaccurate for like she's like he's holding her up in front of a fireplace. Big linda can stein of spain. He's holding up on her and she's doing and the standard dukes opposing and then she just disappears. She's got a movie fake. Who is she. I wish maybe they could make it spin off. There could have been like a double trouble. Like i feel like everyone in this movie should have a twin owner way to balance the whole thing out and i wish they'd maybe gone that far yet. I'm glad you asked movie. Yeah because we get to our next film which i believe. This is my personal favorite. But maybe because after watching all these row i had like barbarian brain and it just wanted me completely but boy oh boy. There's a lot of twins in this one. It's it's called twin sitters. The barbarian brothers that a super bull between your maybe. We are one fast with their fists when they come between the mob and the fed was really job on those goods offer. You a job like you to stay here after my nephews. It's to start of a whole new career the baby sitters. Please take note of that song because it's not sammy. Hagar citizens the barbarian brother singing. I don't i don't have the soundtrack which makes me sad like it should slap. Because i'm looking at it and we all like mostly the yeah. It's so cool. That's that's my holy grail. This point like. I need to find like the barbarian brothers various soundtracks and musical recordings. What i really want guys that run vinegar syndrome. I know you're listening right now. So please lean in. We need a box set. Okay i'm guessing you you can't get the rights to the bar is maybe you can't get the rights to think big but i know i know you can get the two movies directed by jambi. Okay so double trouble you get twin sitters. You package it with a cd that has all the music and then essays. I will write where the essays for you. It will be good. I promise you. Claire are you into right. One on The various crop tops of the barbarian brothers. Yeah that's literally. What is going to do so this is perfect. We have everything for you. It's all here for you. Max you and jack you can record a commentary. We're gonna do all the work vinegar syndrome. Please restore these. We'd watch these on youtube sad. That is for peter david okay. What about very little. God rest is solely just passed away. God damned. that's true we gotta we gotta tear would roll down his cheek if if he saw pristine blu ray presentation of double trouble or twin sitters. Now i follow one of the the archivists vinegar syndrome on letterbox. And i know for a fucking fact that he has logged twin sitters on his letterbox and he gave it three stars which means he liked it. So make this happen. Find those rights. Let's do it okay. Barbara nation were crying out for this the beefcake masses. We need it. Make it happen. That's my plate unical. But yeah this movie kicks ass and also. It's got a lot of weird connections to arnold schwarzenegger again because this is the same kid that play dominic in kindergarten cop. So that's pretty fucking cool. Look but now there's two of them. They both looked familiar. These are kind of twins to because they did the the mary kay nationally olsen thing where instead of playing twins as children they just played one role but they did half the work each which is fucking cool so the barbarian brothers themselves are very much like the olsen twins same intellect level. Same musical acumen probably better fashion sense at the end of the day. But i don't see a lot of difference. So here's my big question about this movie. Are they stealing italian valor. Millena playing falcone's in this movie. They eat a lot of pasta thousand restaurant. Italian restaurant aren't they italian idol. Fake they are. i don't know could be. Who's going to that for. I'm not gonna tell them they're not. They're huge look like who's going to say no to them. I mean if they're gonna steal talion so what are they going to do. What are they going to do about. Also you're going to get mad on the internet and that's what they're gonna do. That's what they're always jays mad on the internet. If you call anything carbonara new butthole rip down. You know what maybe initiative had some stolen gala. That's all i have to say. Yeah all the italians have ever done. Good for humanity is make jello films. There you go. That's the greatest contribution but no seriously the new york times wrote like they publish a recipe for like smokey carbonaro sauce. And then all of the talian twitter was just like. What are you doing other very very upset. About the whole. It's it's not carbonara. mommy didn't make it. You know it's it. Yeah every there's only one and we just have fun. The ultimate italian mom and it's hers. I just kept watching this. And you know the part in in goodfellas where he's making the pasta sauce or whatever and he's just talking about the sauce but also like sweating out cocaine and worried about the fed's coming. I was just thinking about that. But he's dumping dr pepper and the giant pasta sauce spot. Good i'd like. I've also kind of intrigued detriot. I'm going to be i've recipe for sloppy joes that uses dr pepper or diet coke and it is quite tasty so i'm a pot roast episode that episode. I hope next podcast. We're doing a separate. I wouldn't be surprised because at one point they make they make a bunch of italian food because they want to make arrests. They wanted to open a restaurant. They might make a bunch of italian food because they're great cooks and they ended up. they don't they. Don't get it 'cause guess what would you go to a bank and you force feed. Your food is collateral. Doesn't work incredibly enough. So they end up giving all the food almost and when it will one of the homeless people says. It's like the best lasagna. They've ever had a do wonder if creating might not be lenient in all of their cuisine. That little cake that a little texture risks or god. The salt shakers at the restaurant is gold with like pre workout meal. You're just like sweating. The rich not feed them. Yeah so was okay the layout of this movie. If you're listening you're like what what what should i expect from twin sitters sooner. It's a this is a kids easy. It has to be a kid's well anyone else has to. It's it's like a men and friendly movie. That's a strange family. Friendly oriented steve friendly movie. Yeah i don't know it's one of those movies said like i feel like your parents could endure and children might genuinely enjoy. And i'm with steve. I personally i'm more drawn to double trouble. But i think this is actually solid entertainment. I was gain amazed that this this is actually pretty fun movie. It's dommage shit though. Drive a monster truck come on. That's so good. How can you not love this. They literally drive a fucking. What else are the barbarian. Brothers going to drive. they can't drive anything else. It's true it is a great example of the cinematic principle known as chekhov's monster truck which introduce a monster truck in the first act enacted three will drive over some ours which does happen so this is back in one thousand nine hundred four so when american pickup truck design was still sensible as compared to twenty twenty one so they had to have something a little bit more fitting for the the barbara in brothers they have the most ostentatious monster muscle truck Cinema has ever seized dudes can open a restaurant but they run a fucking monster truck. I looked at the screen and saw that happening. Like wait there at the bank and ask collateral. They said it'd never car. Well they do but they're making payments payments. Yeah i mean. I if i was going to if i was going to do. Like a barbarian brothers reboot in two thousand twenty. One definitely would bring back the monster truck but is so yet. The one surviving barbarian brother. You get like a clone like like a hologram thing you know like they pack for the hologram. Max if we can hire west to get mac hologram for the wedding. So i can marry to maxes that. That would be great. So yeah we're going to get to do the hologram and then for the for the monster truck we got up. We gotta update it because for it's for a new generation so it's a tesla cyber truck on giant tires. Here's here's what. I want to see steve again person. I think we've we've sadly lost varian brother. We need to replace dense berkeley. America's crying it's weeping it needs to burien brothers. we need to have a reality. Talent television series on replacement barbarian just like journey did with their lead singer. Fucking america's next beefcake. I love it only way to do it. We need to have a national televised talent competition. Eibar varian on the cw. There you go a love it love it. You know tune in every week religiously to watch that show. Oh hell yeah. I would i just i love and it's but you basically have to set it up like rupaul's drag race but it's just beefcake idiot men and but it's the same thing it's like you of acting challenges singing challenges. You have to lift heavy things. It'd be great. You've schaus a certain number of syllables. You know over a disney. Fbi heard over a certain number of distance across the lake down something you know. Everything has to be big this. You mentioned rupaul's drag race. And i think this is a good point mentioned that m one of them in this wears what appears to be of fetish Outfit is i don't on looks either but it's not like a call and the rest of it is like weird leather stuff going on very confusing in children's movie particularly i don't know if anyone has any further insight into that fish. Max what animated you compare it to like address like joe. Joe's bizarre adventures characters. they are. She's just a flamboyantly dressed him bows like posing at each other and fighting so that fits in. It's great these these outfits are. This is incredible. I mean we talk about how good they're so good. You know like we talked about how fashion forward some of the things. The baron brothers were wearing but here they're on another level. Okay it's nineteen ninety four and we're gonna make twenty twenty four and the world has not caught up with what the bulgarian brothers are wearing in this film. Just beautiful stuff. This occurs from. Because i mean we make fun of like later later era steven seagal. It's like he clearly was so you know so lazy movies. He would wear his own clothes on sash. And it would just be like and what will result is in like around if you start watching seagal movies in the early two thousands. There's like scenes where they're doing like military briefings in everyone's in military fatigues and he's just wearing fucking like fringe like with like a snake on the back of the whatever. Five steven seagal Steven seagal doesn't want to change his clothes. And that's that's why that's happening. The barbarian brothers are also. I think pretty only making their own calls on the costume department. But they are bringing their a game. They're elevating every scene. There in there is nothing in this movie that you're looking at it going like oh they really phoned it in there now absolutely. Not there is no phone in existence which you could describe what they're wearing. You just have to watch this film. Sit back and basket at his name. This stinks aisles. Through which is the best part Like one of them is like crop tops in like a whole bunch of tied bandannas. And then there's the shirt and then when they're at the gym there's the ones yvette stripes to work out in so good so good to bring it up but did one of them have worked on like plastic surgery. One of the looks like he may be at a little bit dawn in this movie. I don't know which one i i'm not yet it's cheeks raisins. Yeah i don't look like a caveman enough. I need to be more caveman. S and my daily appearance anita from yup and boy did they deliver now before before we wrap this up like we didn't talk about this movie out. Basically matter i mean that's got assessing the fact twins exist. It is never heard a twins. Check this movie out. It does the barbarian brothers own parents in this movie. There's there's a whole bit where they're sitting at the dinner table and the moms just like wow. Can you believe twins of the dance. Yeah i know twenty twin twin and then it really is. They're obsessed with it. But i guess they babysit twins and then the lack bill twins. I've ever seen a baloney. peanut butter. Sounds sounds disgusting. Like the al. Rei that's true. That's the only thing they precede aunts. He described the plot of this So essentially there is again a polluter just like their walls in at think big toxic waste there's a polluter and he's trying to kill a guy who i guess is informing on him or something so at he's yeah Risk and the american government can't provide them with enough protection so they try and kill him and they try and kill him with three of the most inept hitmen who try and kill him in a park in in a public park wall towards shotguns. In the fucking terribly Their jobs with the barbarian brothers happened to be there and they rescue a bunch of children in the cross fire and so from this demand determines that the barbarian others are the best people protecting children so while he's going to testify this guy he has children who are twins. Twin boys writing them pretending to nephew those nephews. Yes so he's he's not going to let them go. So he hires barbarian. Brothers barbera burbs. Meanwhile right want to open a restaurant but they can't get money 'cause too busy funding all their cash will monster truck which i think we can all relate to the so. They're offer five thousand dollars to basically a day to to babysit the twins for a week to protect them. And they're like sure because they think it's just a regular babysitting gate but they don't realize these kids are possibly going to be targeted by the evil pollution. Goya and sure enough. That's what happens. We haven't even got into the fact that they have ought sexy tucher shows up to look they both love her equally and it's beautiful. It is in class and do the homework. No for the students in her class but they show name a more. Wholesome incestuous poly-amorous relationship onscreen. Can't it's beautiful it's perfect. It's great if you wanna if you wanna family friendly film about to fashionable beefcakes who both wanna fuck their kids that they're babysitting's teacher. This is great but they they don't even try and fucker their super league. A woman tries to fuck them. There's a maid who just like pops or titties out. And she's like ugh. Look at you by berry umbrellas. Yeah and they're like no. We're wholesome. They take the kids and the teacher to the carnival. They have a great time. Everybody wins like a bunch of stuffed animals and they kiss her on the cheek. That's it it is is wholly Such decision to make a movie and cast two beautiful women in nanan. Have the two men just both coat. Same woman i that is ball and she's into she's just like okay. I them not as a nerdy woman. It's you beefcakes for me at the same time. Yeah i would definitely do both of them. Were okay with it. You can double up on your carnival price. She enjoyed stuffed teddy bear. Change entire again in my life. You can carry the car. Never have to walk again. Apple towered while reading. Hemingway allowed election. Susie missing student then. Getting eiffel tower in my mouth will be busy next exactly threesome a threesome with the barbero brother. Save which is shouting at each other through. The whole thing could barbarian brother boston alone. That whole idea and cosmic acts like are you all so violently shot across the the wa- fury busy blasted into the drywall again. This content is in the most family oriented of all of the film's setting up the barbro muscle sandwich three. Which is again room. I don't have a writing credit. But i feel like barbarian. Brothers weighed in heavily on the creative thinking. Same opponent concerned. Read it. So y'all stereo you're right that's it. That's misery saw at the end of the movie. They do specify that they have to separate individual private dates. Her one one of them is tonight and one of them is tomorrow. Which like you're running a restaurant. You probably should taking nights off to go on dates right when you open. But i digress. Now that's okay all right and and the restaurant they open is great too because the number one thing that this movie teaches us is twins are fun okay so when they save. The children from the evil mobsters. Landry opened the restaurant. What's that laid by. George lazenby of james bon pain exactly. There's a bond tie in here. And then they opened a restaurant with staff by all twins and triplets just twins everywhere. It's great yeah. The finale of this film involves doing daring like it rescue ship and for some digital. We're gonna call in some favors some backup and their backup. It's like a bunch of other twins. They've cone food twins and early african guy. Twins ninety s african stereotype twins a an incredible feat of cinema. It's it's such an amazing doom. All of this to rescue twins. It's just such a just a lifting up the whole the whole concept of fraternity there are no women. Twins us women were triplets. I guess that's a sight gag though that's dismissive. Honestly they should give them more time. But for the whole rescuing thing just win guys just having a blast guys being doing and honestly it just like any good wholesome family film it ends with george lazenby getting shot. And then the boat that he's on explodes and he dies in his blown into a million pieces right so Classic classic film the explosions weirdly big explosion for this. This movie looks like it was shot for like nod a lot of money and then the last shot is like a huge explosion with stunt men jumping and i'm like Like that just looks like they still from another movie but only did did i. Maybe just did something really unsafe The special effects gone just like fought like budget amounts of explosives like twice as much. It's huge it's saying. Yeah yeah. I dunno maxwell. He's pretty sure that most of this movie looks like it was just shot at the executive producers house that i guess yeah i feel like most of the budget for this movie. Went to the costuming. The barbarian brothers not from their personal collection. But overall like it's it's entertaining. This is a good one. I think good chance of barbarian brothers used their movies to finance their dressing that we in that and thought about that. That's that's clever. Now as far as kids movies go. Like i don't have any plans on procreating but if i had a kid. This is the only movie i'd let them watch nothing else junior. It's barbara's or nothing hit the weights. Screen time only barbarian burien. Oh my god all right. Get we to wrap this up. We're about to hit our fashioned sex all my god. How can we miss that. This is the most like sexy movie i've ever seen. I am so sorry. Claire my mistake. Okay fashion level sexually level where we at with this one. I would say we're pretty close to being tied with the previous movie. I think it goes along with how much i enjoy the movies. This one and the other one remind my favorites With the number one fashions this one. The fringe leather jacket. And the onesie. Really bring it all together for me just seeing those muscles trapped in like a good to good look little less sexy just because there's all those kids there which i'm not super into. There's there's no suits with. also bummer. Soul gives like anonymous fashioned. Nine on the sexy. The post with ten ten with sounds good. That sounds good. My favorite fashion moment from all the movies was actually in this and when one of the barbarian brothers. He's wearing a hat. But it's more of like a wrap around his head like maya angelou and you know those you probably had one like eight years old but it's like a plastic bird. It has a piece of metal in the in the tip of its little bird beak and then you can balance it on the tip of your finger or on the edge of something and it looks like it should fall down but it doesn't just kinda balances and he's got one of those taped to his head rap. And i thought that's the best thing i've ever seen so really great stuff top. Oh yes i feel like. I didn't give that up. I love eddie. Sort of cheesy t thousands movie with our nineties movie with a with a makeover seen especially involving twins. I feel like a lot of the very kate. Nassar movies had those. Maybe that's my basis for how much i love them. I i love a makeover montage and this you know what if you like kindergarten cop twice the fund. This is the movie for you. If you like. George lazenby or james bond. Sure this is the movie for you if you love the mary kay nationally olsen detective films from the ninety s. You probably love this and if you love. Great music like mary kate. Nationally song about pizza the barbarian brothers deliver equally. Wonderful tune. so a lot of crossover here. If it doesn't interest lies so just throwing it out. There are guy so it's time to do put over. So let's start with max max. What are you putting over this week this week. I'm gonna put over to two albums listening to Pretty frequently since. I got a hold of them. The first is as the love continues by mugabe a recent album. They put out by the scottish post rock group. It's probably one of their best albums in the last ten to fifteen years it's a it's a banger. I've been listening to it on repeat. i've been cooking and stuff as well. I have also been listening to the new album from nick cave and warren ellis. It's called carnage. Which came out. I believe a week or so ago. Not the full bad seeds grouping because of the pandemic and shit but Lot lots of great. Lots of great songs by nick capable or analysis so like either of those groups. Check out all right. Sounds good clear what he put over this week and i feel kinda boring but nothing. I've been big worthy of over lately. Has been very recent but i also gonna plug albums and that is when i was at target. I found the like this tentative hits collection from boys to men on vinyl really pretty translucent vinyl also you know of then bump in a whole lot of boys to men in my bedroom pandemic so what can you do. But it's been taxi regardless. Just vibing on that motown philly end road once a so good. The hits keep coming jack. I'm guessing you're gonna put over the same thing right. Oh yeah all always. Yeah boys to men fame on. I'm gonna put over at very stick. Close the optimism vaccine brand which as we all know is basically sean along just franco. Just guys make an artsy movies. Fully naked ladies nets sometimes being hardcore porn. I'm going to add that list with claude beloit merlot. I dunno is french. However reno just attach words as your letters as you see fit. Just watch recently his last film. He died for young some reason but his last full knife under the throat from nineteen eighty six at really entertaining movie kind of like a little bit of a depalma void but basically it's your classic tale of a bunch of women who get naked lock getting killed by almost brushes up against the real world questions of male obsession violence where they kind of chickens out at the end of a really stylish kind of like really great looking movie which only recently In france and i think even if you want to buy it for france you can but if you look online you can you can find. Hd copies of ood stars Who was gonna fruit. Shown along on a francis great icons of pornography also good movies. There was never seem to overlap as much in america but in france on a work stuff out a little better soy By called below. It's it's really hits. It's pretty entertaining. Sleaziest shit might offend some people but that give it a go go while last week i think put over like an actual hardcore porn so this is a lot of questionable french content doesn't look i'm not gonna lie that the gay hardcore poor no. I watched earlier. This month is like one of the best films. I've seen in the last couple of months. It's really great as check. That one are or two check back on our our records for that one all right well since you guys put over some albums i think i'm gonna. I don't have any into over to stick in the music theme. I suppose a blank mass just put out a new album and it's really fucking good. It's called in for no. It's it's not their last album for twenty seventeen kind of and i think they had another one at twenty nine hundred but those are just sort of broke up the tracks into little five minute songs. This is just to like twenty minute mega songs. Essentially but it's great. It sounds like so far berry and brothers an album. It is it. 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"Hey what about this vaccine. Steve and joining me. I've got my rose and jack and i'm actually super excited for this episode. We're not that. I'm not excited for every episode. But we got to watch a movie. I think probably ten thousand times on basic cable as a child like eight or nine years old and a probably the movie that influenced me the most in my life so i'm super pumped to talk cyborg to saying this in the in the chances jack like i don't know something about like northern michigan. It's like the van damme. Stuff was not in rotation in india like saturday afternoon movie. For some reason i never really came across these things weird. That's yeah and i don't know but cyborg is movie. I've seen malta. Probably one of the van. Dan's i've seen the most and i guess it should. I don't really recall showing on tv. There's nowhere else. I could've seen it so most of I feel like for a year or two like there. Was this period where after the cartoons would play. And then you get to that. There's like that that period around like eleven. Am noon where. Then they're like okay afternoon movie time and it was always either cyborg or sport like they would just rotate between those two. And that was it like one channel. That was the only two that they would play and the other chan will always be dumb like movie so basically my early film education was me trying to watch cyborg and my dad trying to wrestle the remote away so we watch like some fucking z. Gray john wayne like the war wagon or something like the shame because we cyborg one might thinks coming away from this is this is probably the maybe closest van damme ever came to remaking searchers quite a close. It's kinda there but it's definitely a western more than any other idea. What genre you would describe cyborg being of been underfunded but western is mainly the closest thing it is samurai like it's it's in the vicinity. It's god's own lonely warrior. Whatever but i mean so jack. I've been doing this thing where the last couple weeks. I've been trying to raise our listener numbers by just being a provocateur. And the way that i do that is by saying be movie that we have watched is better than fancy movie that you like person probably listening and then i create this this thing for them to get angry at and then presumably they subscribe to our. Podcasts are really enjoy it so my my one for this week ready go. Yes cyborg better than jimbo. How's that sound. Try that what. I'd try that one on. I guess the question is is like mad. Max post apocalypse genre. Because that's what this is. I guess we have to consult with scott derricks on this one. I can play the trailer. We watched cyborg. Welcome to the not too distant future. Young gang shaping the world of hell and only one man can stop them sean. Claude van is leading the battle between good and evil to become a little thing. There some sort return to innocence god. Yeah roma pure who's who's did that e. d. and native american like throat singing things like cutting in the middle and say is is vincent klein. I'm assuming name is pronounced client clinton. He's been in other things he's in point break. I don't really remember them in there. But fender tremolo yes. I'm talking about fender tremolo. That can't pop out. His voice corrected fucking with his voice. They must be. That can't possibly be voice. I don't know. I think he were choi. He's one of the like antagonists. Surfers in point raica. And i don't room. They'd probably with his voice a little bit but also i mean he. He only has two or three lines. There's that opening monologue. And then everything else he says is variations on on this like. He does more ause than anyone in the history cinema. He sounds like the fucking the rabbits the rapids from barrio versus rab. Do you know what i'm talking about. Right myrow yeah little. We're going to get a clip of this. I didn't get one. Because i just thought of as i would have said you. You put it right here. This is a rabid go. Black and there's fat was go baugh. That's the same noise it's a rather. It just sounds pichler it just. It's so ridiculous. Yeah i mean this is just throw it out there. I really liked this movie visible of these movies. That i thought was like weird but i the This movie osas felt like blanket. Van damme action movie watching it as a kid a teenager growing up but it was really the oldroyd. Get the more. i realize. this is a weird movie. This doesn't make sense in any context. It's i didn't know how weird it was. Yeah honesty so you like like you said as a kid you don't notice it but also i think it's because i'm pretty sure this week is the first time that i've watched cyborg like as a movie straight through not some tv cut. And the tv cut of this it removes a bunch of the were just walking around stuff that takes up a large portion of this film and then the way that it stitches it together and it's to our tv runtime or whatever it's all just the fighting in the action and stuff like that so yeah. It's it's bizarre. How slow and methodical sites zero. It's a remarkable western To very unexpected touch points. I have this film really like stalker. Tarkovsky movie searchers. The john wayne. John ford fill it. Does it hits both the even refers specifically to the zone. I think within this movie. And it's well. It helps that it was it was filmed like yugoslavia to just a couple of abandoned factor. It's pretty much like the only sets in yards scope like decayed buildings and just like rebar sticking everywhere it. Yeah it's like there's zone it's on it's the main character. Van damme is basically. I mean there's a work in the movie but it doesn't really matter. It's like such a thinly veiled story elements at it's really van damme versus this other guy really seems like it's van damme against himself. It's like a man battling evil. It's it's kind of movie that could end with turning out that. It was all in his imagination. It's almost mythical quest for one man to to usurp reclaim world. It's been usurped by evil. But it's just internal kind of quest for him but then they kinda throwing a cyborg. Es to company to save the world because she has the cure to a plague except it doesn't they were the company here no she specifically tells him not to kosice two week which is a bit of a burn. Frankly she goes with the bad guy with the with the other guy it's worth pointing We should expect this movie to be kind of weird because this film came from this started off originally as timber the best my understanding as a kind of a safe a saving move from two other film production falling apart. So there was originally cannon had proposed to make a sequel to the dolph lundgren masters of the universe film and then also so i honestly do not know how this fits into the makes but also a spider man mufi somehow both of those projects folded probably who the hell would one watch either of them and our slavia spider man who fender tremolo is meant to be masters in the universe or something who knows i mean and so he was basically. This whole project was rescued from this collapsed. I get like certainly see this in the context of of a kind of like a botched or like a kind of like re fabricated masters of the universe. I don't hide spider manfred into. There's nothing in. This looks like it would be a spiderman movies. Well you're forgetting a third crucial element here. Jack which is allegedly when our pune took this like weird frankenstein skeleton of a movie to turn it into the masterpiece that we watched originally. It was supposed to be a rock obvious which may actually explain the fender tremblor learning and rickenbach. Everyone's is the cyborg so that she strapped. Yes yeah all those going. Abor characters are brought together inside bore the very successful motion picture at learning that it was meant to be a rock opera. Is i think absolutely the key to understanding this film because hyun intended to be a rock opera originally and the producers were like no so he just he kinda made one anyway. There's this intensity disease. I mean the utah. Bad guy all is just stand there and scream at the camera just like dolly seen on separate what he takes off his sunglasses. Then you know he really means the blah. Sorry it's it's such a strange film but it has this very unique energy to was it like. It's very slow as you mentioned. It's pretty much like the incredibly reserve film lot of it is. It's like a road. Movie itself shock la vandamme traveling with this other woman. He needs to try and catch up with the bad guy in the cyborg he's bringing at he basically wants to bring the cyborg in really plans kind of take over the world. It's like a follower of cyber security thing and the cyborg thinks that once she gets worse needs to be the scientists who were going to work on earth. We'll be take care of the other guy and they never get into roy. The politics of this winner will find out what really happens because van damme intervenes overcomes evil by kicking him repeatedly until he stops which is the only way to defeat. And it's it's just there's such a pitched energy to this is like i say it's a watch it now. I realize this house range. This film is it's like nothing else. It's like something else. Something that stars. Mel gibson as a little mad max who it. Yeah just a smidge. Only in like set. i mean sure. It's like mad. Max in completely different on an wood jr at a different species. I was getting a lot of it in the flashbacks. It was almost like this movie. Had like the thrust of the road warrior except they dislike kept in inserting like the first film as flashbacks. Was very strange to me. Those flashbacks obviously there. Is that kind of like definitely mad. Max is a is a touch point. But i mean they're shocked me almost like a say. A westerners law shots of kind of characters shot from the back kind of in scenes of nature. There these are the only real scenes of nature that are like what would you say like kinda pleasant and relaxed shot in nature all strewn with rubble and stuff and so it kind of reminded me of lights. A western generally in terms of kind of go. I joined to reconcile the loss of kind of a high a whole peaceful own existence an coupled with the fact that he is of the Girls is used to be a girl. I don't want release you with the woman that vandamme used to love is her daughter and she is now with by guide is kind of like question of tainted child and whether she's gone effectively gone maze of but in this case has gone with the bespectacled psycho guy. Whatever whatever plan he's with. It's a strange intersection of references. Like the energy and this is nothing like a mad. Max movie to me. You know. it's it's it's something else i think. It is much closer to kind of like out western interspersed with come. There's just there's so many things that are going on here like you can tell that the film was just chop to shit because allegedly a jean claude. Van damme wasn't happy with it so he did some reediting to make the fight scenes pops more. Our boone's original vision was was taken away from him. This was cobbled together from masters of the universe and spider-man's sets also. I don't know where. I read this but apparently our boy albert was working on a remake of johnny guitar and he used part of that script to do this and then it originally got an x ratings so they had to cut it down more to get to our which then i'm thinking how do you get next rating in this. And maybe it's because. I don't know john claude van damme literally has a crucifixion scene. Because he's jesus christ yeah. It's not especially violent film. that's very straight. i wonder no. It's pretty chill. You could tell the editing in the score the get if you wanted to say no to rock opera at least keep that sort of energy in in the scoring and instead they just put on this like horrible like low budget. Eighty scores huge weakness. To cyborg and worth mentioning. There's a separate discussion of this available. That opera pune return to to create something closer rezone vision which can restore so of these elements but the main weakness. Him signboard is a finished film. And it doesn't exactly feel like it's compromise to pune walter because frankly pune later created his own edges is not. It's not exactly more traditional or more sensible exactly in the you know the honestly. The dna is still very similar between the two of them but what side word lacks more than anything else is. The score is just asked garbage like just weekly little midi keyboard thing. These guys are screaming at each other in grand battle for the few manage. It is absolutely like really really kinda like ties. Film opera limits in act. It's like how do you make it. I mean i get putting a temp track. The seems like what they did. For god's sakes every characters they met fucking guitar. let's utilize to get dr in the damn scores. No no we've got to have this fucking nonsense. I i don't know very interested. Watch is version. Because i an i. You can feel studio interference on this woman that every step of the way to me and that even goes so far as the title like what the fuck is this movie. Business being called. Cyborg and i won't well there's one cyborg sort of a like a macguffin but again it's just it doesn't conjure up the image of what. This film is measure. Yeah i think like slinger is putin's version of the film. He retitled a which. I guess contextualized or that. It's about shaw. A slinger is basically a stalker in the cell phone. If you wanna get into that kind of vernacular. But i am his recycling of his version of slinger. At least sick knowledge is that the film is all about van damme. It's not about the cyborg. Frankly is very even visible for most of the film and kind of generally matter what she's doing and she's not even the female lead of true. She's jesus second female lead after another woman who vandamme just meets up with. You just kinda hangs out with him and then died tragically in in the end in a scene. That on so you could blink and miss. It doesn't register emotionally at all on four which feels like it feels like a child but it turns out. She's just according to mike a loss leader refer for van damme's emotion recovery sad state of affairs But yeah i guess. I guess the in comparing both versions. I guess what is over are like really apparent is that whatever pure wanted to do doesn't fit easily into marketing strategies or or obvious marketing strategies which i think is a problem encountered a lot in his movies. His movies are off. they're they're very much kind of like pop pastiche law things. I mean like he really made way an earlier on with radioactive dreams which is kind of like literally about american ninja himself. Michael cough added another guy coming out of a bunker. It's like fall out. Basically they've been big rule in a bunker journey nuclear explosion they come into the world to explore and grew up reading like mike raymond chandler novels and stuff in their name. Philip marlowe on some candidate. The share like two detectives names would split between characters and basically. They're like fifties kind of tough guys that themselves. Then they're in like an agee's inspirer. Read like dr fall at world and get strange hop culture pastiche of all these things in really entertaining films. That really interesting film vicious lips. The movie made after that is again. It's like an eighties. power pop. Chairman holograms almost turned into like a an internal like quest for the quest for kind of self knowledge. It's it's a surprisingly at interior looking again movie. That's basically about like a girl by flying through space with a monster in their spaceship. And he so he. He's just a go i you. I think has ideas that he rarely has the money for his films. Just always end up being kind of somewhere in between what he wanted and he. His sensibilities are high concept enough. That the kind of shirk off on road or easy jewelry comparisons. And then i think it spooks producer producers. Like new is gonna take this back and finish it off on that. He just has a kind of a string of films that are not exactly the film he wanted to release. Yeah i will say though as as a director who he someone like you said is constantly reaching just a little bit too. Far is overly ambitious most directors when they get the situation. God we've watched so many low budget films that do this where you could tell the concept. It's way too high concept. There's way way too little money at totally falls flat on its face like why did you do this in the first place. Lpn's interesting because he doesn't quite get there but with the tiny budgets that he has he gets really really close. Yeah and it's really impressive to me. How close the all there and a lot of people dog on siberian. I don. I don't get it like it's slow and it's chopped to hell and it's it's certainly strange and not what you expect if you're trying to throw in a van damme action movie. I think it's great. I honestly it's one of my favorite van damme movies and before it was one of my favorites just because it meant so much to me as a small child but now we're watching them like this is legit. It's not just nostalgic to you. Know i totally totally agree with you. Stephen unaware to add that. I feel this falls into. I've always i've long held. That van damme has not really got his jews as as a a gigging actor and assembly who has just enough clout to decide who he works with. And honestly i mean vandamme never of schwarzenegger certainly but on just underneath schwarzenegger vandamme carved data pretty remarkable career out of being the guy who does the big spinning kick. And you know he's worked with the work woods soy off on with a ringgold on and his this working with albert pune is also a really fascinating film at maybe. He didn't like it at the time. But i think it certainly stands out like a very distinctive film. And i think above all else i guess anyone who watches or you may like it. You may not like it. But i think undeniably it's not run of the mill action. Su he you know it's it's definitely it's own yeah. Yeah i'm a little our i i. I wouldn't go so far as to say i. I think it's great. I think it has greatness in it. I speak crucifixion scene. I think that's where the really it's pitch for me. It's really working but After that i don't know. I think it doesn't exactly stick the landing and a lot of that may be in the reedit. I'm very interested to watch slinger which we will be doing later but You know honestly. Adam funny things slayers probably the back half is closer to cyborg in the first half not the bag have is just that very climax which is just quiet and just hit the blob. Shirtless fucking oiled up and screaming and sort of not not very well. Choreographed fight scene to end the thing. There is some good action. Choreography in this film is more in the front half outs i wanna know. How many weeks in a row are we going to have a podcast where we're talking about at least one movie with an oiled up. Honk fighting. we make choices wisely. we never. That's yeah that's what. I'm hoping for because i'd like to keep this beefcake streak going so fingers crossed. Although looking at the schedule we may hit a bump next week. I'm not sure it depends on how far you could stretch the definition of beefcake. I suppose but anyways. I guess you know. I didn't realize this before. But part of the joy of doing this podcast. Is i learn new things like hey did you know that there were two sequels to cyborg also did his own sequel cyborg but they aren't the official sequels. And did you know the second one was also angelina. Jolie's first real starring role. These are all things that i learned from cyborg to the. What's the subtitle glass. The glass glass shadow magic perfect machine the cutting edge of espionage technology in a humanoid robotics application it magic the perfect loving machine human in almost every respect our very best in the perfect killing machine conditioned top of the live. Imagine they are all the damn you know. Listen that trailer. I've just like i can't believe that. They they made a movie about me in nineteen ninety-three. That's so wild but whole trailer like imagine a hot lady. Okay we'll dawn. Where do we that do murder. Okay yeah so this movie Glass to glass shadow is some juice that you put in your robots and then when you fucked the robot it explode it's amazing there's an entire sub-genre of of cult films that are about exploding sexy ladies than because it's off one ill. So the she wolf movie with the exact same plus. He's the one with the oil shootings. I don't quite remember a troy scrub memory of those films. How amazing thing said angelina jolie's at debut role and i sympathize greatly with her i was telling adam beforehand I looked into some comments on this move. She's not asked about this field. Walsh surprise abroad while she has about on. Our show is true. Yeah should come on now. I thought it was kind of Endearing that apparently she has said about this movie that she really enjoyed everything about this film up until she actually sat down watched is when she realizes like all. That's what i and she realized that you know all the excitement your first movie and you're showing up. You're doing things and everything's coming together. And you're like you know it. Your marks learning lines and interacting with all these other people and this is a pretty stacked cast. It's not fully. Nobody's am and in the end of all that to realize spoiler alert that cyber to kind of soak sakes it sucks. It's weird because it does have us a stack. Cast like you said i mean. There's you got elias coaches who he's been in a million different things angelina. Jolie jack palance billy drag. Oh like there's real people in this movie and budget wise. I have no idea how much this cost to make. But i can tell you about the look of it. It looks a lot more expensive than the original cyborg. So there's there's money here and angelina jolie is doing her. Dampness got all these great character actors and literally. The opening scene is an exploding sex robot. And somehow it's boring as shit. I don't understand the whole like the supposed. Plot of this is basically that. There's two competing cyborg companies. One in american wanted japan and the one in america. It's basically developed this idea that they're gonna make a sexy sipe work at an injector full of glass shadow. This liquid explosives. That's undetectable somehow and they're gonna center basically to the boardroom. Japanese competitor's company blow up and kill all of the other sex powers and annabel. They'll do that but then they spend the rest of the movie or at least the next chunk of the movie talking about how she's like this advanced prototype with all this extra advanced capability. And it's kinda like white. They're just gonna blow her all. It doesn't make any sense and we'll get as yeah. Why would she be walking. Bobby turn why would you add anything. We'll get hooked. They're down the line but in part three this war gets pregnant. One you know like how. How do we wrote the it's it. It just doesn't make sense. They build a super extra-special intimate clarify it is. It is very heavily clarified. Also the point of ludicrousness within To that sex robots are definitely lincoln very normal thing in this world at this point so yeah just send cats just basic model warning years. It's going to blow all what does it matter It doesn't it doesn't make any sense. Why would you spend you know like. Would you spend a half a mil on a bentley. If you knew you're just gonna fucking drive it into a board room and blowing us. There's it's it's a robot it's a tool it's you're gonna be you're making a bomb. It's a bomb with with breasts. Just get it out. There just happened. Do little sexy moves to get to the board room and then blow it up. I mean again. We're we're talking about not cyborgs. Here though right. I mean at least the first movie had a cyborg in it. This is just the fucking robots pregnancy if it were indeed a cyborg but there's no human element is wait now. Turner mice robot suicide Half man half machine asu. These are androids yes android. Yeah okay loop. That's a bit of an oversight. Well boy you got on your face of michael schroeder. We'll director of cyborg. It's preposterously stupid like that's this is well acted enough but the script is just dog. Shit like why. Or hamas was this movie. Seriously when you name your company pinwheel for fucking god knows by and again if you're central premises about these two competing companies. One of them is not featured in the film at all like once this you know cyborg quote unquote is on the loose. And we have these two competing hitmen. Essentially who are out to capture bounty hunters. And so you know. Say all one's one's been sent by the japanese and one's been sent by our good friends at pinwheel but no they have both been sent by our good friends at pinwheel and in fact it has a gun fight with each other. Even though they're i'm the same it's just there's no thought put into this script is just goddamn can onto the dialogue is his risk horrible. All one hundred percent leg dumb guy thinks he's smart and writes a movie to. This is absolute fucking nerd ninety cyberpunk bullshit. It really stuck out to me with kata. She got stuck. It is the scene where drago and the competing hit person. Which i believe is karen shepherd. Karen shepper karate champion there in this gunfight and karen shepherd says to him cyborg envy or human envy. What is worse and a that already is dog. Should it makes no sense. And he's not applicable to anything's happening. I disagree but then allies katina's goes oh penis envy and i'm like. Oh fuck mean the overarching plot. If this essentially is the cyborg is haw whatever guy decided just go and go his own away in bona cyborg. And that's pretty much the guiding principle at the entire film and the whole reason he gets into. This message is because jacksonville slipped a note gets slipped a note that says like to meet the cyborg in a lab meet angelina jolie and then jack balance appears on his on his tv. And you got a little rendezvous excited for that. He's like jack surname jack palaces mouth on the on the screen like video drome shit talking to him but before he goes he. He asked his computer. What is the penalty for pork. Cyborg and the computers just like the penalty is better at that at that life in prison. And he's just like okay. Yeah definitely going to do this ready to that. Desperate to bona hint selena jolie that his life in prison is totally risk. That's worth it but all of this boils down to just wants to bang. That's it yeah. The i think like watching this film. It's kind of hard to explain because eat is actually you mentioned. Tv it looks expensive. I don't it wasn't expensive but it's quite stylishly. Got lot of like interesting expressionist lighting and shadows in kind of interplay of light and dark and dutch angles and kinda like Fair amount of effort has gone successfully to create kind of attractive frames like honestly. This movie looks better than like a marvel. Siegried movie like it's got better fundamentals of cinematography than any of those things. And what honestly i don't know how are this are wellness referenced. But this this movie reminded me of those like full motion video games that were like super popular like the end of the ninety s. Early two thousand throughout this future video game is like a six cd game that basically it's just point and click on it just plays videos endlessly and we get like christopher walken or some other person like star in. It's going to be huge and the game so shit ham they end. They were like really just clunky garbage games but this reminds me enormously like that except without even the interactivity but it has that kind of like kind of quality production worth come like interesting enough looking but it just slow. It's like this is a slow moving film. yup yup. Yeah there's a there's a game. I think it's like nine hundred ninety. Four nineteen ninety five so right around this period but it's literally called hell a cyberpunk thriller and it's got like dennis hopper in it. Yes it's the same as this movie. Except i guess you get to click on a few things but like that that achingly slow kind of like just like the whole thing feels like it's moving through trigo either. Assistance discredit laborious energy. Like the whole movie. Just feels like it. Just can't move on. It's tiring to wash the film that you're certain like you should still come on. Let's go come on. let's speed it up. Let's do what he can do. It just never winds up to anything. I don't let s will say twenty minutes of this thing are pretty fawn. I would say like yeah Drago unleashed in when they're having their big like fan fight to the death and yeah and then we actually get jack palance onset. Yeah that's was just choosing things like an action movie tavern explosions like where they finally figure that out. Right at the end Yup that's that's pretty much it but yet leading up to that like you get the exploding sex robot in the beginning and then there's once they i make their escape. There's like a five minute action sequence and then it's just hor shit i it's like fucking dollar store blade runner for the resume for many many minutes and it is interesting to look at how the you know. There's no connection aesthetically between this and cyborg. You know there is a sequel absolutely name. Only there is a sequence. Where ashley jewelry is at Jack is characterised called mercy and he's like a hacker eddie like he sets the motions. Innovate our sense of Events in motion and he like. I don't know if hacks angelina jolie particularly but he opens a line of communication with their and talking about how she needs to find a hero to help her and then there's like with flashbacks from cyborg. If like vandamme justino no run around and stuff and i don't have sat how she needs a hero. It's the kind of things like you know. You're an amazing gas cyborg. You'd need to find a human man to help you to defeat army of armed people feel like probably way on our own. It's that's the climax sue like. Why the fuck. Elias is put into the deaths match. But you're gonna fucking gesture robot if you john. Why don't you now. No we gotta have ohio. She's a delicate. A delicate little. Do drop can also apparently crush people but never does. I wasn't like the two prose of this film. I would say firstly. Billy drago at ataman. You mentioned prior to this like deathly. He is the. he's having fun here. He's being big and broaden the angra goal and kind of chewing the scenery as like this psychotic hitman like blade runner character. Who just kind of is like a narcissist. And you know. He's he loves the chase and everything he's having fun. The other. plus of this honestly is angelina. Jolie i think who if nothing else. Puerto stroke with this I'm trying to think when she came to my attention. You know as as an actress. And i guess he was probably like late nineties. I guess what my girl interrupted around that era and an of hackers like s. You know that's cutting gets when she came to my attention but like he or she is just As much as people might scoff at the film. She's like marlene. Dietrich she is just this incredible statuettes the usually she is just like absolutely just a camera is enraptured with her she's just such an unusual interesting looking person in film. She is like the only thing that makes this film watchable for large stretches. Just honestly just to look at her and just kind of consider the way. She looks on camera on the light catcher sir. It's just one of those like we're alchemies of cinema that it's sort of like you know. This is a good film because it just photographs in interesting person looking interesting. Everything else is just kind of off. Yes well. I guess we can overlook pallets either. He's he's when he's not being featured when this mercy character is not interacting with them. The movie just fucking falls down a pit. It's he keeps the thing afloat really even though he's just doing like a max headroom thing where he probably did event be upset at fucking all for this. But he's the only narrative thrust in finland without the film can't go forward and an ice but honestly by the time it got his discussion of like. Here's his back story. I think i'd kind of check Guy just don't know what i'm doing here Says look there's like a period where they beat up with tracy walters in here to also take notice another great link. She's a guy like to see on screen. You know. Tracy walters always like law in livens. What what he's in you know he shows up. This movie has solid working elements and it just over does not translate into watchable movie. But he shows up on. Then we have this whole thing about like. Let's explain mercy's past is gonna More generic pass through. It's like is a war hero and then got checked. So i'll i'm lying. I suppose there is a cyborg. Cyborg to it is in fact jack panel. It was a war hero. Who was saved by being made into a cyborg. They go perfect great. Although we only had one cyborg in the original cyborg. I was hoping for at least two in the second one but you know. I can't have it all i guess so. This really is. There's not a lot going on here. i guess. If you're angelina jolie completeness or a cyborg completions Maybe checking towards the end as like this grand attempt at grand romance for allies copious. In eventually julie moved to the desert and fall in love with each other and he grows old and she doesn't accomplishing this really awkward dissolve shittiest all nine makeup vice cody's ages by his face metals face. The romance dave is very strange. And before that jack pallets is like blowing up like fucking rocket launcher. But he finally reveals himself from the computer screen. And you like shooting all these soldiers and we get what i would estimate is either the best or the dumbest line in the history of cinema. So he utters. These words dine with a long spoon. I'd like to know what that means. But trying to parse this like i. I'm wondering if it's the spoon is meant to transcend the earthly realm into the hell below. I'm not entirely sure. What the purpose of the lawns buddha's. I'm going with a similar reputation. Perhaps if you were dining with the devil you would want a long spoon so you sit further away from the devil. Generally at this dining event is designed work is put dishes like separate yourself. Buffet with the devil is in the devils communal super with the commuter before in hell where we are using our long spoon. So we don't have to get too close to state that his own dinner party feeling beer at a dinner party would say something already gone badly wrong but jack palance knows i mean it was there like there's no setup to this other style like who's the devil in this scenario is describing himself as the devil did any was anyone really clamoring to dine with him in a metaphorical center was into the this. This like to clarify frame listed. This line does not build on any imagery established within the fill out. It is completely isolated on a grenade at some some army men. Yeah yeah it would be one thing if like the head of the army men was looking all right. Challenge you mercy and then maybe you could follow it up with a line like that but really was no direct chat on issue. Do you jack back now. I feel like had just been sitting on that one for a long time and it just had to pull it out in that moment all the imagery of like actual jack palance cracks me the fuck up of this movie. Because he's it basically. He's not in the movie. It's just his mouth on a screen. But where the tumor. Three quarters of the way through it. He's just like bathed in blue light. Dis- faces like flash over this picture of his long dead wife for this such honored. Bullsh- it's ridiculous. Yeah it's colossally stupid job. Got this movie. I don't know if there's like a twenty minute super cutter this that included the jag balance line and like fifteen twenty minutes. Who was just the from the third act of the movie. I would watch that. But as it stands. It's not a lot here. Yeah i feel like honestly if this is probably the website like Out of this is like mister. Skin has Zexing with angelina. Jolie where she goes topless and frankly. That's probably like the only notable part of this film for just internet perverts. That's about as yeah. There's more screen shots a cyborg. i did. I've grown even more confused because a review sites this as the film in the cyborg slash nemesis franchise goddaughter to separate those separate franchises To my understanding haven't watched the nemesis films yet. Which are all pune films by the mandate cyborg one but i did i believe To just rip off narrative elements from nemesis. As far as i'm aware the there about separate separate groupings of films This isn't like. Aw maybe it is just like one of the demons at franchising. Igli fucking random films become demons movies. These are great directors pushing their art out and it's just films conversation with other films. It's s really like it doesn't get any better if this film in conversation with like gaza like the worst bergman films smooth boring station you could imagine so long long. Well i guess cyborg was such a big smashing success. That michael schroeder said to himself. Boy we should do another one of these. some was just like Yeah sure angelina. Jolie's real star now so she's out. But here's here's twenty dollars go make cyborg three. The recycler starting pristine richard lewis melting. Mcdonald's could you polish this signboard. Three fight to the death and so forth twos. Well y that. That's like the end of cyborg one and the end of cyborg to both fights to the death. That's like what this one has has actually not not so much an actual what i would fight to the death and this one and now that i've been thinking about this whole cyborg scenario i i must say this movie does deliver on. Having multiple cyborgs every malcolm mcdowell and the titular recycler are are both technically cyborgs. Right they are saying this movie. Also stars malcolm mcdowell. It does technically. I'd say they had him for like three hours. Talks he shows up. A ahead has a quick conversation with the appointments. Recycler played by mike lynch. The actress name gretchen. Like richard lynch. Sorry who a. He's one of those guys. Just shows up volkan weird movies at. He's always a pleasure watched the inaugural plays like it's sleazy awful person and he does really well. I don't know if he's a babies. The nicest person in real life. That's the way it always works out. Yeah malcolm mcdowell shows up has one conversation with them and then the recycler hates him and then it moves onto the next scene. And it's kinda like okay. I guess my malcolm mcdowell becoming coming back later. I mean the guy just hit him fine. He never shows up the get was done army. He's a set like he's the big bad right now. That he's like the the recycler recycler. It's a real twist to rue thought. The recycler was like going to be like a sidekick character to returning cash. But you can't you can't colby guy lures talent in hall. He'd likely the for ten minutes. The movie but i thought it was pretty ballsy of the recycler to like knock him out and then immediately like not leave the area just like go shopping like ten feet away strip club with a weird like man face like it. Looks like the who. Who's who's the cop from police academy that makes all the noises and the sound effects. Winslow michael winslow. There's like a michael winslow. Slot machine tried to sexually entice the recycler. That's right it's like the future of cybernetics it's basically like a man shaped pinball machine that talks to you yet. It's which which the leader wants. I as candidates is pretty fucked up it so this this is am sarwar. Three e. c.'s. Michael schroeder the director of to return But this movie otherwise has little to do with cyborg to as cyber to had to do with cyber one despite having the same lead character this time recast and it couldn't get it all chance recast. Y'all ever got a real funny. The thing is is like christine hodge. Fuck is that. I was trying to think of like. Oh my god. It's the curly haired girl from head of the class. That's got replaced your close enough. Good no you probably didn't have of the class in ireland. Did you think we did. I didn't allow connection. But i think i remember seeing that in. It's it's saved by the bell with all of the joy and and jokes gotta just sucked right. I knew i don't see that since the late eighties. That still be almost weird. Revisit deceiver remembered anything about her. I remember that being on tv. And it's sort of a weird. This is a strange film because it above all else is kinda like its the christian. Cyborg movie is is that a thing or the concerning stick conservative pro-life sipe work movie. Which yeah if you're gonna do something for part three and you want to keep people guessing making a fucking like anti-abortion move. He is certainly no-one. Was i feeling. No one reasonably could claim. I saw calling absolutely no one saw this coming. And then on top of that do have playing alongside your lead actress. Who isn't the lead accident. Last film zach. Gallagher from one those movies i guess i you know i end horrible before but i guess where else zach galligan. Lots north or else except soy. Yeah this is this movie is. I'm gonna say on a general summation this movie is better than cyber to at least kind of like a long. It'll feel like it's like just moving underwater but also and not not grace be myself if the worst politics the fucking universe guy all. There's no reason for it to have those politics either like it almost stops the movie dead at its tracks like dead pads stared the camera. Just be like yes. So we're not gonna kill the baby unfortunately and there's multiple times there's a. She goes to the doctor she finds out. She has a baby and she's like a robot. How do i have a baby in the doctor's like i don't know she's like we'll get it out of me and she's like i can't do that. You can have the future of human cyborg relations. Explain any point. Why a cyborg being pregnant will. Also we don't Human baby or a robot baby or an amalgam focus as we go fight. A saudi is not humid. It's just a robot. This cyborg is but cash is not a science. She's not cyber. She's elsom house robot. We clarify that alliance courteous character from cyborg to die. He's died in this movie but he grew to old age but she's just getting pregnant now so what was his halsey been doing. In the in between knowledge there is not this takes place immediately after his death so they must have like well. He was an old decaying way his family nap. This dude who's not shooting his shot and he would know what she would have pregnant by young allies taste but no apparently death's door. Ancient alliance is invalid nursing home. Shoot his little dust rockets. They mentioned she has like a a spur like free surfer. Something installed select Banged like fifty years prior but they. Her system decided now was a great time to just like top the ball in the oven at what. What's impressive by this film. It's that as much as harps on basically like you must like your woman with child. You must have the baby. You must the whole all all the hope of all of humanity's is in every child in your womb. You must as much as harps on that. Aid has no interest in even examining the concept of a man robot offspring. Or you know or how that happens like it is literally just like they just plug a thing into her on there like shitty little. Cg thing of like little baby pops like you gotta uterus at said talk your examination this movie and then they when she she tries to give yourself bursa yes. She goes through the windows. Ninety five desktop types in fuck it abortion dot four fetus found. Yeah people boop boop abortion rejected weird fucking horror scenario honestly that whole thing because it's like the they clarify later on the fetus Creating a power surge to protect itself because the fetus is a child and his lawyer ended defended. Which is it's a really cool fetus. Though have you seen it like the. It's like four polygons of cgi fetus. It's in the trailer to they're like. Yeah this is great. Respect twelve dollars on this show much proud of their shitty. Cg rendering of a child shot all my god. How recreate yeah. It's like if you tried to recreate the fucking like the child from two thousand one a space odyssey. But you're using like an apple computer in one thousand eighty eight. it's the movie ends abruptly. The scene ends and she goes like child was born in his cuts to like a fucking psychedelics creed. That baby floats up. And it's like the end. I'm like well. I don't know if i could call this better than to at least suez like i. It's hard to say like it's more watchable. It passes like that. That's my that's my barometer. it is more. It has a more traditional structure despite some fucking curveball narrative. Bits on a you know i. It's kinda ended. it's more watchable but also it looks. It looks so cheap right now. Like there's things in cyborg to that like a year from now i'll remember they'll stick it by by. There's absolutely fucking zero. What this movie that will. But i got like following. Richard lynch's like psychotic organ recycler at his eyeball nicholas in in time universal soldier. Actually it's i think by. He collects all from his cyborg which seems goofy anyways. He's recycling fourth week Is that makes necklace. Which like dolph lundgren's character universal soldier who makes even necklaces at before later being reincarnated as universal soldier. But it doesn't make much sense. Because i would imagine that the all of the site worker among the most like fine tuned interested in office. He tries to sell him. That corporate is only be able to give you this. Yeah this guy so upset. Being a recycler like most valuable parts at this field is a couple of other elements like we have one of the lead. Henchman is basically a reprogram sipe war who now helps honked other cyborgs. But then he he has a second guess bigger. I guess it's worth mentioning that the plot if this is as she realizes she's pregnant she oaks up with zach galligan who is a genius developer of cyborgs. He programs in design sidewalks. The tom line of this is very curious. Because dan escaped to. What's it called saw town which is soot like a mythical cyborg city where cyborgs escape to be free of man and it's a mythical fucking shed in the middle of lega valley and it has a sawing. It's a mythical like place for no one could go and as a fucking sign sitting. Welcome to slight our put the sign. After i think to be fair to the dom movie i think they put this sign up after this force field destroyed. Did i pass that Willie destroyed the sign up. They weren't welcoming anyone who decided to change their path. They could no longer avoid humanity going forward. That was okay and once again. We've established to cyborgs in this film. None of which live inside out right. Yeah everyone inside a strain of android. There's no question but anyway Older the androids in cyborg town are at all like broken and kind of incomplete. They're like missing arms and legs. And then zach galligan shows up there like worshiping. He's like a god to them because he created them figuring it can fix them but like the all talk is if they're like many years ago when i was okay. I was completed in relatable to do this. That you know when you created me you know so many years ago sack elegant is like fucking. Maybe late thirties by the time. This movie come at maybe early forties these imports wurster like twenty two years old underlying fucking old veterans. It's completely just hiring older. Dude zach galligan. Because he doesn't do anything anyway though. Yeah the way they describe them. It seems like there's going to be like some ancient old man in the cage. Gremlins was supposed to be malcolm mcdowell. Now you know. I'll tell you know. They should have given it to a really underrated member of the old cashiers. You guys kato. Kaylin love it. Mad straight for the oj. Trial to video always really. It should be noted that that money is reprogrammed android henchmen jaakko is plagued by the same guy who plays zanga chief and he in the john. Claude van damme classic street fighter and he also went on to play leather. Face in the Modern reboot lena while in glowing career the only other notable casting thing and actually ties into the plot in cyborg to there's a guy with no legs and cyborg three noonan ill in cyborg to. There's a guy with no okay. Yeah i know what you're talking about. Yeah and there's a part where they're they're they're doing something they're in a sewer or something that he's just like oh we're going to check with the ball suv. It's the part with tracey walter. Yeah yeah yeah. So he's he doesn't have any legs. That same guy is in cyborg three and so okay. So i guess we're we're linking these together but the part of the this part i i was like dying because it's so fucking boneheaded but there's this whole montage where they know that there's all these bad guys on dirt bikes. That are coming to get him or whatever and they're like it's okay. We've got a bunch of busted robot parts so you can fix us. Kid from gremlins goes okay so it was a montage where it's like okay. I fix this person's arm. And i fix this guy's whatever and then the the one beefcake dude just for given new just pull guns to my head so we just gets guns just fucking like regular go. No and that's the thank you. Both of your hands are fucking machine. This is totally useless for you. You would have been better. That was like an okay thing to keep the movie. Works like fucking illicit shops from inhabited drinking challenge. Don't taped to like fucking balls of forty or whatever your all your hands but with a new. But it's fucking machine guns like an insane. College challenge conroy. So all of this leads to. Actually i think gun hands is the last one but the second to the last one after four in a row of people getting fixed or whatever we get to guy with no legs from the second movie and in my head. I'm thinking what are they gonna do. Are they going to like give him like like prosthetic i don. I don't know what they're gonna do. Seattle paraplegic the man is apparently he has no legs from from the like thi- down. There's nothing there so he's well. Can you fix my legs. And he goes. Oh unfortunately you're a model z ten sixty and we only have ten forty here so it looks like a log and it just goes well. That's okay and then boom straightened gun hands actor but it's just like at some point. They were probably shooting off. Fuck we have this whole scene. Where there he's fixing. We can't fix this guy we can't we gotta write this. Otherwise forego think. We could've fixed him. They thought they were fixing a plot hole. How can you imagine if of movies like sorry no you will have to remain just to say also people actively wanna die when they store sally town like the again. It's like a generic group of like goes on dirt bikes. That's the bad guys on all these movies. And yet they storm the town. And and yeah i swear to god with new legs is like the only person who don't actually one other guy is the only guy who like a fucking stunt like who's trained martial artist to this entire fucking. Oh that's who mistook for the henchman the Nine toll thing with the same guy is a sore. But he also only tail he's like Greasy biker dude. I misinterpreted teaser. I was like why is he a good guy now and then they called back. Oh there are two separate actors which you know. I guess gives us this hints of like mulholland. Draw you've So that's kinda start because all of the choreography that final scene it's ass except for the stuff involving that guy where he clearly fucking knows what he's doing is trained to do this stuff and it's like well we'd better kill him. I guess who filled just looks like shit. It's like aside from the desert. There is no special effect visual flair. Here all three people get lit on fire. Come on the. I guess yeah. There's probably a good chunk of the budget. Otherwise he at some point How do how do we deal with the pregnant robot lady and certain put to give her a cesarean and the just ruben. Place all box. Which at the whole thing is like this computer. Engine let computer imaging of lipids. We're goofy child in her but it turns out. The child is actually just like a little tiny box. This letter stomach. I won't point at outages carrier routes. It's like fucking life of brian. where does the fetus. This go to just hit a box and like they were like. That's a great idea. That's the future and at the end. She's like loafing cradling. Smaller lifting of fucking walkman the however. We meant to connect with this film in any way seriously. It is impossible like no one could have a like an awakening in this film which is weird considering that it clearly. It's a kind of all on some kind of like a moral message. And i don't understand what you do that movie. That effectively boils down to a bunch of guys with machine guns as storming a fucking clearly like a town that was clearly built by a couple of like stagehands in after like six like prefabricated just like warehouses no doors or windows structures. Yeah i don't know. I have a lot of questions about this movie i. I don't even know this. This is definitely like directive. Vhs like straight to video stores. I don't even know if it ever got a real. Dvd release like there's there is a dvd called cyborg three. But i don't know if it's actually likes muddled could be any number of movies. Yeah it's this is really strange. So there's like maybe an official maybe an unofficial dvd released but other than that. There's nothing like i need. I need interviews. i need a director's commentary. I just have an endless number of questions about this. Fill that will probably never be answered specifically related to no legs guy. The timeframe is so strangely. It's a year later. And i can't imagine cyborg to was Any level of fucking success so you would just end with the same director same characters. One year later released you would think that they would have just filmed them back to back. But obviously that's not the case considering the cast is scrapped entirely. Yeah i teach. I have no idea. it's my best. Guess is that this movie was like a contractual thing. It was like we gotta view park three. But you know you're gonna make it with cardboard seems to be. the case. seems to be the case. All right well i mean. I'm glad we went through this because now the defining movie for my childhood. I feel like it's been contextualised a little bit more for me and i've got a greater appreciation and finally finally got to see kato kaylin a role and i've been waiting for that my entire life so with that. It's probably wrap things up so mirus what he put over this week. I haven't done a ton i'm gonna. i suppose. I'm reading through sandman. I'm enjoying that neil. Diamond's seminal graphic novel if you will i or series whatever you wanna call it. It's it's kind of long. Running program was post. But it's Yeah it's about this sort of you know. Let's neil diamond about various gods and that sort of thing as what he's interested in but yeah it's it's certainly very ninety s like brooding robert smith nonsense but nonetheless. I am finding a lot to enjoy it. And i haven't exactly been partaking endless media this week so we'll go with sand man all right Jack we put. Oh this week. I'm gonna put over a movie and watch the other day from nine hundred ninety six hong kong viva erotica which is a really peculiar. Kind of comedy drama. And it's basically stars leslie joan in a lead role of his career as a kind of a director who has made a couple of flaw. He's fall on hard times. He gets an opportunity to make new movie but the new movie is like their interest. They say they're interested in the script but honestly they just want him to make porno and he's he doesn't wanna make poor. Nobody gets drafted in. And it's kind of like one of those weird films as like she. She starts to see the advantages. And he's like you know. What if i'm gonna make important. I'm gonna make the best porno possible and supporting cash at literally. Juniors at the height of his power has ranked shuki or shukei. I guess pronunciation and in one of her early roles when she was actually mostly known for being like like naked lady in films before she went on to work with like who shannon rin top awards become one of the most recognized in Hot in many Mortgage chinese actresses of her generation. It's a really fun strange. Movie a kind of like strangely bittersweet. All kind of cuter Just a love for cinema bought within the context of making kind of a shitty shitty raw movie so much much different than i was expecting. I guess i didn't know what i was expecting going in. But it turned out to be much more touching than i guess i. I was reasonably expecting Just be more like you know rolling who feel sick comedy and it's it is that but it's also more so check it out if you have chance all right and that week i'm putting over a book actually got it the other day partially regret for this podcast. Yeah i know people have been telling me this. My whole life and i finally proved them wrong. Radioactive dreams the cinema of pune by justin aglow. And it's great. It's it's really it's almost. it's more like a reference book than it is something that you read for like covering. I guess you could read it. Cover to cover. But it's great because you can just pick something out like cyborg. Go straight to that at it. Gives you just a quick insight into the movie. There's some really cool interviews in there. It's written from a perspective of someone who clearly loves this director but is also able to be critical in a thoughtful way. And yeah it's it's awesome. It's it's all around great books so radioactive dreams if you want to get a look. This book really cleared up my confusion as to why man was in the cyborg. Yeah that see there. You go per that stretches one example because reuses of character day. Yeah all the universe and the universe. What's what's the name of domain scared. 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Episode 134 The Yarn Wall

The Moratorium

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Episode 134 The Yarn Wall

"Hey Phil Freak stirs. It's Tim. The moratorium just here to remind you that if you enjoy what you hear please like. Shirin subscribe then Rinse and repeat were just a couple of small town nerds trying to make sweet geek love to your ear holes and we can use your support. Check out our website for movie reviews links to social media, merch movies, and more. You can find us at the moratorium dot Com. Now, that's out of the way on what the Shenanigans. Welcome to the Yarn Wall, a mini moratorium I'm your host Tim Cornerman on this episode Jason and I take a long drunken dive into the depths of IMDB. This is where we break down the last week's film and follow the yarn to make the thinnest and slightest connection to our next movie. It's kind of like six degrees of Kevin Bacon game with slurred speech and Double Vision, which can only explain the sudden jump into the middle of the thread of the conversation that is the yarn wall. David Caruso. Birth. Paul's. And why don't you grab? There we go. That's looking. In the neighborhood. buttery levels. Sawn. Spread him on a biscuit. So you stayed up last night and took notes. Excited about next week. So I kind of did some. Homework that I didn't need to do but it was it was a joy innings. Yeah. You want to just tell the audience what the next week's movie is and we'll go from there. Go about our business. Wow, that would be breaking all. I mean I. Can I mean we just get right into this get like knee-deep in it right off the Bat Or we going to say next movie is Mac and me and good night. Thing look like all back. That Thang a Goethe's ball bag. Push a kid in a wheelchair like off with him and. He has a very disturbing. 'cause he's like is in a wheelchair I think isn't he's disabled the kid the. Yeah you're right. I've only seen wants like way back but that was enough it shocked me like Hey They're really gonNA roll that if really able kid off a cliff. Take some balls. It's do the more conventional opening, and then we'll see where that's new main twelve minutes from now. S Plus don't we do we have any like unfinished business from without warning. Like maybe there was something. Few things to talk about that are really n directly related to without warning. Okay. Good. One thing I want to say is I watched a little bit of it aperture. We did the episode. I don't know I think we kind of like Yada Yada Yada through some of the like. especially, like Martin Landau like. Dropping some exposition and stuff you know went back and listen to some of that crap and it's just nonsense and he is overacting to a point where it is so. I mean he really got into that characters, I. I. Wonder. Was He over acting or? Did he just gets so DP he believed. I don't know I. Don't know. That's a good question. East scary. I mean like he's Just, a strange looking man I bought he did a phenomenal job and I ask you have your opinion of the film when you back. And looked at these things I mean I know you didn't really care for it as much as you had hoped. There just wasn't enough. There you know. The little flying air biscuits. I call whisker visit. Not that last time man that would give us get literally was like a was edited and just say whisker biscuit slightly six times in different voices for me right now. US, all of your powers to edit all of this vacuum. Yeah not enough. Not Enough Alien. Yeah. I guess is what I really didn't. Get Bell Short, on the Alien Win The box showed more alien than the movie did yeah. Maybe. The alien had some action sequences instead of just standing there big dope. The only real thing he did was throw though with your biscuits. WanNa say that again. I don't know how they I. Think we saw him throw one and he actually through like a Frisbee yeah. Out and maybe that's just a game on his planet like A. What storm Cornhole. So yeah, right. Maybe that's call holding. Discussing words by the Yes it is that means something else back in the day. I, let's get into it but welcome to the yarn. Well. Be Your host today. Tim Gorman. And every day. Okay. Me Not just today. This is my last episode I. Forgot to Tell You. Yes. Link wishing my duties. I've had enough I've had enough of these crappy movies. Wow. You're just going to watch lifetime movies for it that wouldn't be bad at hallmark channel all the way every time I go to my malls she's watching lifetime movie today she was watching one with Leah Thompson She looked great. Let me guess she was a victim of a date rape. And she's coming to terms with She became instantly pregnant. She birthed out a full sized man all side who went down with that was a different movie. Not One of those. you are Jason Walker. Yes. That is true. That remains true from last episode those. So at least I got, I got that going. All right. And I've got a lot to talk about because I did I pulled double duty this week. I'd say duty again. and. It wasn't necessary but it was necessary. And will find a way to get through my load of crap. The Path that you've taken for this, it's like I had multiple personalities in working on this episode, I have a lot of kind of related things to kind of drop in. So that's this'll be just a opri gone. Off Maury that's what I was calling. I'll take Schwartz for six hundred. s words he shores shortage. We talked about Sean Connery last week didn't we is like ninety something I saw that he just had a birthday like ninety on or something like that. Yeah. I'm GONNA, leave this without warning open because I'm GonNa, need a little bit later. So you, you do your thing what's on your mind I was looking into without warning, just trying to find some weird connections and. I think I was just clicking around on Neville brand looks like in a row. He was unabashedly the star of this movie. Yeah He. Really. His I mean you look at him and your life? My God. is He's like a Greek God you know. chiseled features. Chisel slipped a few times. His two minutes of screen time just film or captivating. It's like he's just did some heroin. About to float off, he was a movie called scalawags. He played a brimstone mud hook. Both. Yeah. I guess. So said the girl Douglas was in that WHO Holy Shit? Kirk Douglas. Neville Brand George Eastman Leslie, and down Danny Devito Danny. devito plays a character cold flyspeck. House. And Mel Blunk Lleida of Voice of Barfly the parrot. This is still scally wag. Scalawags gotTA give. Peg legged pirates searching for treasure with the help of a young boy teen girl and a parrot is that your get smartphone may fight natives. That's. Missed it by that much it. This is directed by Kirk Douglas. Oh. My God, fucking cover of that is amazing. Oh. Yeah. Like this was just a part of Kirk Douglas. This was in his backyard A. Gun In each hand Oh my God I see Danny de Vito and it's insane. I did not realize that he is in. I don't recall which year was I. Guess the Mid Seventies when one floor of the Cuckoo's nest came out. I think Jack Nicholson had won best actor for that. I could be completely wrong I. Think you're right. I'm going to be talking about that here in a minute go ahead. He couldn't come to the ceremony because he was filming. Okay. Yeah. Wait a minute. It has to be for like something else like five easy pieces are. My time. Ones all messed up. He was accepting some award like remotely like they had videotaped it because he couldn't be there. He did it as his character from one flew over the CUCKOO's nest. In the you know at the hospital Sandra Cinco, you gotta look it up. Anyway it's funny because he's talking to the camera and then slowly all of the other patients kind of. Huddle up in front of the camera and seeing the little young Danny devito probably was. Probably Thirties late twenties thirties. It's hard to age him. Anyway I was like. Totally forgot that he was in. The do yourself a favor and look up whatever the hell I just described and it's Hot the go back to I gave you actually less information than had. It can I click off scalawags or do you think that'll come back? No I don't plan on bringing that back up that was something I just saw and had the click on it, and now I can't get off of it. Did anyone ask why Kirk Douglas had that small donut implanted into his? Chin. That looks like he has one of those little frosted donuts dislike right under the skin of his chin. That like a Bagel they call him old Bagel face. Bagel face. I was looking at Scotto Oh Neville. Brand Neville brand because of I looked at evils of the night was his last film. Vacationing teens are systematically kidnapped and taken to a strange rural hospital run by mysterious group that needs their blind allow. That actually sounds really good. That has Tina. Louise Great Ginger Julie Newmar. Okay. CAT WOMB WHO's array? I. Think he was just maybe I'm just think he was Nando an eighties rock band maybe. I don't know. Sounds familiar, but I can tell you. Is just one of those time. Right. Sure. Kerry Emerson is in it and she was in chopping Mall Oh. Cool. She the other girl besides barbecuing Arab I think so yeah. Yeah. John Carrying a course I was clicking around on that because I was like that's interesting. Yeah. So I clicked on Julie Newmar just because I was like all right. Let's see what she's done I mean she's still doing like cat Ri- voices. We know her mainly because of the. Drag Queen Movie. Her. So now let's the other the. Thanks for those town. Julie Newmar. That's best not. That's just. Just gloss over time thinking about it I'm like. I was looking down at Julie Newmar just to flip through some stuff. You know she was in oblivion. We've talked about this before oblivion am oblivion to she played Mrs Right, the Charles Various Kiddie. High School USA. Is that the one with? I. Thought that was something Crispin Glover John, grise? Yeah. We've looked at this. Crystal Bernard. She plays stripper in that. That interestingly doesn't stroke. She was in a movie called nudity required and I had to click on them like. Added to click on that. Yeah had to. I just has troy donahue and really not. Pamela Bach Hasselhoff she has to be married to David No oh my God. She's from Tulsa. Oklahoma. So he required was directed by John t bone. Now our. Night just having fun with. You'd think I was making up stuff. So I clicked on it and yes, he is a porn director. Said you watch porno or yup material for this for my deep. I didn't know we could do that. Now that I do q the music. Shuts the door opens the windows. So, he's a known for such beloved films as but Bangers Ball. What's a nice girl like you doing an anal movie? Sergeant Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Gang Bow. Spe You just made that one. I. Wish I had 'cause that's hilarious will. Look it up and just going to say no. No. granny BANGERS HOURS BANGERS there's one from nineteen ninety-seven called. You want to fuck me where. Back. of IT VW. The most uncomfortable place ever? What is that will move is that from that was from my mallrats mallrats Ri-. Anyway that's where I headed I was trapped there for a few minutes in stasis I watched all of those by the way. I would. I would have to. What if we just turned this into a porn on asph is talk about porn pine. Cheerleaders it's kind of Brenda's cell? penises. penises. Penis. Just, talk about Dex all day long. Yeah I don't boobs and Dick's. I've still like I. said I did Double Duty Today. This was necessary. All Right I. Think. I might just slide right into my deep dive and go ahead slighted. Because I wanted to clear up something because his cleared your Acne Gripe. I want to talk about. I've got two women. Are Just GonNa say. Ellen Burstyn. Okay. Is Not Louise Fletcher. Yes. That is. There's anything that you whoever's listening this takeaway it I wonder is that a common? It is they do look a lot. And, they're they're acting around the same time, right? Yes. Very much. So they were both born around the same time. They both started acting about the same try and maybe even have like a similar style of acting yeah, which is like evil and motherly at the same time I got into this because. And this week's episode there was A. I was talking about resurrection. Several Times four and I think I said that that was Louise Fletcher and it was actually Allen Berge. And also just to. Muddy things up there's another just saw there's another ellen. The. Same. Generous. Only other Ellen Barkin. Bargain. No but you can't get ellen. Barkin Ellen. No no no. But. I'm just saying it's there. L. I'm glad when I looked on the Trivia for Ellen Burstyn that I'm not the only one that had this. Okay and it actually says in here an her trivia. Is often mistaken for fellow actress Louise Fletcher. People tell her she was great in one flew over the CUCKOO's nest. For Which? Fletcher. Won An Oscar. Fletcher reports. The frequently that she did a wonderful job in one of Ellen Burstyn. And it's I'm not the only one that goes on. Forever, ice I suppose. I made that mistake of course, I edited out, you have all the power. I make no mistakes. There are so many similarities between their acting careers. That it's so easy to get confused so. Let's start with. Your member Louise Fletcher was in. Flowers in the attic. and. That was a disturbing. Yeah. Really was probably the first movie. I saw her I would think because that really HBO. All the time. All the time I'm sure I I I'm sure saw that before one of the is probably the same thing here. So flowers in the attic was a nineteen eighty, seven Victoria tennant Kristy Swanson. Yeah in. It. Was Disturbing Yali was I mean and I was at an age where I don't think I really, God, you know that's how young I was when I was I mean I just don't think I understood the. Art Of which was fine. With not knowing that was fine. That's. So flowers in the attic nineteen, Eighty, seven guess what Ellen Burstyn. Was In the TV movie in two thousand, fourteen of flowers in the attic. Now you're purposefully. fucking muddying the waters. But I think. She went on I guess there's a whole They were them all I. Guess It was petals on the wind I don't know she was in if there be thorns but they were doing all of those and and and who wrote those books by the way who has at? vca Andrew. See Anders. I've never read a VC. Andrews. Book. I've read flowers in the attic and I think I read part of pedals the wind and on my cow that's that's enough of this and I think just I took him to a burning. Oh. Yeah, Virginia C. Andrews or V.. C.. Andrews died in nineteen eighty six and I think they're still producing books under her name. So she's become they ha- kind of yeah. They do that. You know it's like slap their name on it but then it's just this like you know it is pump out these books. Baltimore riders. I assume rats our. So. Louise Fletcher Okay we're start with her she's one hundred, thirty, six credits. Wait. I'm sorry we've moved on from Ellen Burstyn did Louise Fletcher. We're GONNA flop back and forth. Okay. Okay both. Just get out your pen and paper and just. Keep scratching obscenities fuck you Tim Bastard. This is a drinking game. Louise Fletcher is it Ellen. Art. And actually I think Louise Fletcher's. BELLM history I'm more familiar with than I. Am Ellen Burstyn I think Ellen Burstyn did more of more conventional movies and Louise Fletcher did kind of some oddball stuff, right? Matt I my I remember Louise Fletcher from she was in brainstorm a Christopher Walken, get this though. So Ellen, Burstyn was the mom in the exorcist career yes. Wait a minute. Yes for sure. Yes. Louise Fletcher was in the exorcist part to. Me This is like. To be a test on this at the end because I, I'm not willing to do very well I'm already like. Stooge avs Vine here yes, and it's it goes on and on that must use a lot of I mean before IMDB show that had to be just like impenetrable figure out who's WHO and they roughly Kinda look similar even you know yes, they do like I clicked off of one because I thought it was. Problems over here. Because of the the Ellen Louise and under Louise Fletcher around the eighties did a lot of different stuff like a once upon a time in America. And I think she her scenes were actually deleted. Okay because I do not remember her and that. She was in Grizzly to. Own the one that they. Can't release. We've talked about before. It has Charlie Sheen who else it's like a famously lost movie. I don't think they finished it Laura dern Deborah format. John Rice Davies. And George Clooney Right. We call him the cleanser. But yeah, I thought they just released this recently I just read something and I probably wasn't a hang much attention but I thought that there was a big. There was some reason that they. Did it become like a video nasty i. think something happened like the change directors in the middle of it for whatever reason it was never finished. So they had a bunch of footage that but no real story right that they may be now have like. Piece something together that ensues. So nineteen eighty Louise Fletcher was in Mama. Dracula. That really went nowhere I just wanted to say that at blaxploitation now you would think. A female vampire must bathe in the blood of virgins in order to stay alive. So all ready we're going to have ELLEN ARE NYLON Louise Fletcher in a bathtub dammit. Hard now and I'm not just talking about. You know. The trouble is that virgins are in short supply nowadays this looks like. Oh. Yes. That looks like the worst thing I've ever seen. She looks great. But everything else about it is awful that guy looks a lot like. And I, assuming it's a guy, it could be A. Around the same time, she was in a movie called strange behaviour. I, clicked on us. I washed the trailer for it. I guess it was also called the kids. It was sounded very interesting a scientist experimenting with teenagers and turning them into murderers. This is written by Bill Khandan okay. Italy it's got Dan shores in it. And feel in a Louis Dan Schorr I clicked on him. He was billy the kid in bill and Ted's excellent adventure. Oh Yeah. Yeah Yeah. You're with recognize him. A few things but maybe just builds ono sean again. The other guy. Is kind of the like. Hannah. Creek. When he gets there. So Fiona. Lewis she was in inner space she was the doctor Margaret was she just hanging around with Kevin McCarthy? Right? Yeah. Doesn't have a lot of screen. Early Line. So but anyway, strange behaviour I watched the trailer for it. It looks kind of interesting but. It's like, yeah, they were brainwashing or they're actually killing the children and like bringing them back as Zombie arteries. God knew exactly I had to see the cover of it. And I think that I've come across before because it sounds so much like the serving the exactly. Strange behavior. Ev You look up just a little bit more strange invaders was nineteen eighty-three. Okay, which also was. Bill Khandan. Okay. which that one had Nancy Allen Louise Fletcher a look Fiona Lewis Hey look Dan Schorr. It's like Weird. And all the map the guy from. Repeating yes. Okay. Mac clicked on sauce picture and he's been in like two movies that I know he was in that and he was in a or movie he was in the original puppetmaster. Yeah Dude was big back in the day, and then this appeared I. Mean I'm not saying puppet master isn't. A. Good move. Not Nothing that. yes. Strange invaders I have not seen that long and I started flipping through the pictures I don't think. I've ever seen it. Well, I. Think my problem is getting it confused with the Toby Hoover Movie. Invaders invaders Mars. Yes invaders from is that what it is, I'd hate to start another town. We might have to do that movie. One of these days is it's raising. Invaders from Mars was nineteen, eighty six and yes, that was to- Uber. Paul latte translates to all the. Got That going for at a translator. Matt Anyway back to Louise Fletcher Conundrum. Here I was flipping around on a bunch of that member. She was in fire-starter. Hey, was an invaders from Mars Oh my God this is getting. We're GONNA have to call someone ends at. So. I didn't I just clicked off invaders from Mars to see that she is in invaders. Now. Right back in your face Susan two Moon Junction to remember that I don't think I've ever seen that it's the bully from three o'clock high and I WANNA say. Sharell Yep sherline fans share on Christie macnichol must put in Burl ives for no reason. And Milla Jovovich. Oh. Man Now I gotta what an Hervey villages in this. He plays Smiley. Know about that. Did you know that they made a talk about this poor but that Peter, Gingrich made a movie about Hervey villages. Really. What was it called? we bids. It was called. On got nothing and I got nothing that isn't so offensive. Shut down. But he he had a really. Torture live. These as. Any do so Louise Fletcher was also in best of the best. That's right. She was like the gym. On deadly ground. Returned to injunction? They've watched the sheets last night. That was a sexy moon. Though, anyway Louise Fletcher very interesting career. I haven't looked at her trivia yet. Just flipping back and forth between their trivia just gave me even more of a headache. Yeah. So you think. You're saying that Ellen Burstyn and Louise Fletcher their careers kind of mirrored. Exact of movie at the same. We're going to have like half the do some genealogy charts or something to figure out was once cited for reckless driving in two thousand when she slammed into Kalisa officer near her Rich actors get light chip in the sauce or view is on that fifth one it's like, okay. You're actually going to come to court for this low let those other ones fly but his they're all alcohol go to Ellen Burstyn then just look at worse face for away. Sorry deep space. So, Ellen Burstyn, she suffered a permanent spinal injury while filming the exorcist she did in a sequence that she is thrown away from the possessed daughter. The harness jerked her heart away from the bed and she fell on her Cox's screamed in pain which was kept in the final version of the released film. Oh my God. Then we talk about the. Like, all right you go in there and slap Linda with some liver. Elegance. The. Wall. So. Here you go. She turned down the lead role in one flew with the coups nest because she had a sick husband to take care of on which Louise Fletcher see even they were trying to get the same actors. Ruby like wait a minute. Who here she's an ordain minister she does not consume alcoholic drink. Coffee. And Practices Yoga. Wait Louise Fletcher Ellen Burstyn This is Ellen Burstyn she worked as an acrobat. and. And as a model for paper that covers I I can't see Ellen Burstyn. Not An acrobat she was really pretty you know. How to get out of what I just said I mean there's a bunch of like shots from movies or she dressed up in kind of a tin foil thing looking like a Jane Fonda and are Ella. Since lead. Donaldson's. Dog. Two thousand. So. Let's look at some of Ellen Burstyn career then for for acting because she has been ends on a CV, a hundred and sixty one credits. She even had her own TV show well, show that was named after her that was Ellen Burstyn show. Oh, I was just like a variety show kind of like a talk show it was a real Sitcom type thing but it was just like the bill cosby show you know is named after her but it wasn't right right. And it was only on for one season yet, I clicked on one here was nineteen seventy movie called Alex in Wonderland. and. If you click on that, you will see a really hippie version of Donald Sutherland. Donald Sutherland who primarily is nude in the seventies and his roles, which is something I never ever wanted to see I clicked on Alice in wonderland you know the first thing I see is a him about them naked Donald Southern. A that's actually the trailer for the film, Anesthesia Watch part of it. He sits there and he kinda you know his wife and kid leave. Then he just starts breaking the fourth wall talking to the camera and introducing the movie. Basically, this is me and a pulls up a little snoopy dog out of the Bath Tub and. I've seen us. So. Offensive Big. Wet Beard. Seventies veered. I like Donald Sutherland Lava. There is a certain time in the seventies where he's considered to be a sex symbol and. Still, is. Here to tell you. Right Off. So, she was in Alice. Doesn't live here anymore I. Remember that. It was because it was a Martin Scorsese Film Scorsese what is we're sees scorsese or sees. Just change it every other year that's mine bucket but that has Kris Kristofferson and The had some critical acclaim. I've ever seen this now neither have I harvey Kites Yellen the. fame time next year, I remember that. That was Alan alda. Of Victoria is in houses. Bat right out of the way that we could make a feature. That's a play on his name like. Way Back or I'll just keep going off. I'M GONNA go through sort of that. Take some more notes. Yeah. The Ellen Burstyn show is nineteen, eighty, six and nineteen, eighty seven. Says the Ellen Burstyn show, but she played a character by the name of Allen Brewer have ellyn Burston and Louise Fletcher Ben like. An almost seems like A. What do they call that like? The police protection like a the witness protection. Like they kind of. I don't know I'm still not sure that they're not the same person right? Susan TV movie called pack of lies merely. War We're going through right now. She's in the movie called the cemetery club that was really big that also had. Oh Bernie Casey in it earning Diana Oh. She's in a lot of movies with Diane Ladd. I don't know why but. Also, has dating. Ilo. Yes. All that. CHRISTINA RICCI WAS Eighty not well, that was nineteen, ninety, three, ninety, three of it. So anyway. Where are you going with all this? These are just my deep dives. I just did double duty. Okay. I just wanted to go over the career of flip between Ellen Burstyn. Lewis. Fletcher. Doing it although I don't know if it's having the outcome that he predicted because. I think I'm actually more confused now. You know this. She played She was dollar hides mom in the remake of two thousands. Red. Dragon. That I see that grandma dollar had. Said just a voice. Oh my God, dude shoes in the wicker man I'm pretty sure. Nicholas Cage. Unsure at some point that was the two thousand, six version. Yeah she's like the main. Yeah. She's like the main. See. But I still think I'm more familiar with Louise Fletcher's filmography. I would say the same thing but they've been in really the same amount of movies. They, both started about the same time. They're about the same age it had been really handy if they had the same agents. You'd be you'd be sending them both I to every. So whoever got it these get the I've got Ellen burstyn. Feel about an Ellen Burstyn no no I Louise Fletcher yet. Academy award winner Louise Fletcher. Forgot. She's like a a gay, her and art. Carney. Are just the old people that Drew Barrymore ends up with in order right? That's not her I don't think those are that's not her family. Is it her and her dad ended up doing to that farm right as they were yeah. They just met these people and they took command in Phantom and then and then burnt down their farm right? Exploded like. My God Arnie with a rifle and A. Are Carney. Meanwhile of their husband and wife, he's like thirty years. At anyway. So anyway, that's all I have really I just wanted to break down Louise Fletcher ellyn Burston Air not the same people but now you're gonNA confusing the same person's stop it guy let's just go ahead and put them together. It's Alan Fletcher. My Goddess Somebody could like Photoshop both of their faces together. Wouldn't be that hard. All their creases in their face in their neck kinda lineup. She is in a movie in the two thousands with Robert Wagner called a Dennis, the menace Christmas. The scene from it basically looks like both of them are in our funeral. Looks like just the most depressing thing you've ever seen. Awesome. But. Yeah. That say that's interesting that that's I mean I've had that problem just put them in the pile of actors that could play each other right. She definitely was in a wicker Nicholas cage definitely at some awesome chicken take lunch. Okay. So can I I'm. GonNa take down this Ellen Burstyn. Louise. Fletcher thing. We'll call it the Burston. The Burston Fletcher Conundrum Got Worn out. This is the headache that I was looking at a mandala. A way to a hit the Gora Tori him I'm going down at even deeper. So Great. Right. So do you want to go into your deep dive? Yes. Let me see I have. Did you lose them already I've got a bunch of scribbled notes as looks like. Spacey's Notebook in seven. Okay. Okay. So we're calling it the Gore Tori, but I have completely I've not even following any of the criteria because, but it's my turn to do the Gora Torian L. Tailgate yarn law. Okay. Gotcha got sketches then yes. So the other the other book. Yes. It really is that's on the other base. Now now walked in I, don't remember why we brought up his strange name. Is there a Lotta strange names? In this that? I don't know how he got brought up. Helen. Fudge. Yeah Bob Alabama. A wish. I had him lit written on my list, but you did bring him up last. Out. Three. Or four weeks in a row. But Anyway for whatever reason we were. We were talking about this guy last couple of weeks. Just. Another guy with a strange name Kluber. Yes talk about Kluger was born in Oklahoma. Is Warner Holden's though I have no idea where that is I don't either I kind of looked it up but it's in Hughes. County. Thing. Had It on a map you know where that is been before you know I think it's pretty small. Okay. First of all his stage names, actors, Nina's. Kluger C. L. U. Not Dow under. H In there or anything. Kluger and it says on IMDB. That is father called him that. Because of the Kluber birds around their house at now I've never heard of that that Matt Aiding. Adams obviously in how IS MIDDLE NAME IS MARTIN So his dad call the Klu Klu birds, he called Martin Kuku. Kluber it this. This is even more frustrating. fucking? Louise. I'm not even like one sentence into his via this bill is the first since of his vile anyway his dad calls Martin's Click lose is the I don't know as he helping gas who knows Lead paint. Yeah that's a that's what you get. Guys anyway but he he was a marine says he was in the Marines in the flight forties. On the GI bill he went to study acting. And while the TV movies. Starting with Westerns and war shows you know you failed to mention that his wife her name was Miriam Byrd Nethery. Thought that my. If yours muddy the water. Just. I didn't even WanNA bring that up. But? Yes. She has a funny name to. He was born in Nineteen twenty. Wow and he was in a nightmare on ELM street part to yeah. Also, he's in a ton of. he was in the master you know. With. Leave leave anxiously LV. And Timothy, Van Pat. Just started watching game of thrones I notes insane and we have no one to talk to about it because everybody else watched it a decade ago but Anyway, the Ben Hat directed the first episode of Game Firms Oh. Weird Trivia but Yeah. So kluber just can't some you know steady a put him in anything and you know you just. As good character. There was a tall man TV series he played billy the kid. Right interesting, which was canceled because they didn't want billy the kid to be a kind of. Sympathetic care about right. They cancelled it after seventy five episodes. So, seventy five, that's not that's not how I. lost. Mess a lot. Oh my God here it is. He was in the last picture show which I remember now. Slaying Ellen burstyn lover. So you want to stop the podcast now I, think we have to I. think that's the throw our microphones in the thanks. That was what the rules we set aside if we keep doing donuts. I feel like a guy in like black swap years going to crash through my window. Were uncovering something. I think this is all big cover up at definitely is. He's in a movie called Houston. We've got a problem which is exactly how my brain is right now. Yeah that would have been a lot less. If they had said like Houston, we don't have a problem. Wouldn't have been all that other? Also is in a TV show. He was Virginia was Christopher. Jordan came. Yes. So he's come up before. But anyway, what we really want to get to is he played an amazing character in return of the living dead. That's right. got seat. His name seems Bert. Burton earnings. And Oh God. What is the assassin from a weekend at Bernie's right Don Calva KALFA. So also, he was tape. which we brought up. Like he plays a lot of bad guys. Isn't a movie called the San Francisco International, which is just like. Ordering movie about your or Fuckin- politics jet. But. He was a really laid back cau- and that so a man, he was an auto man which nobody believes me was an actual show but it was. He was in a movie called from a whisper to a scream nineteen, eighty, seven S. It was written by C Courtney Joyner Cana can't say his name right which also starred Terry Kaiser who played Bernie and weekend at Bernie's with Don cal? Layers and layers. Yeah. You know a lot of people are at least from renting it from the video store on the houses known as the offspring. That's how I. That's the title the. I rented it under. The name change what deal I never read that changed to from his it reads in a small Tennessee titans on a historian relates four horror stories to a reporter. That's all yet. That's. Pretty. NEAT remember those segment. Her Around. The Hey Cameron Mitchell isn't it. Out God. I, usually like those over the top. You know the air tractors. Got A big. Here's Lawrence tyranny. How do we know him That's right. He is. The guy is more not reservoir. Toby. Toby to along. Anyway from whispered screams, whole shit does not seen. That is a great. All Right Vincent price looking like he's a hundred write that down. Nope I just saw the same yes. That is I am ride about it used to be called the Oxford Bouquet I see it. Right there is right believed the title and it has a amazing story about a guy that's on the run from the law and like the everglades or something, and he owns this game. where he proudly low for a little bit. Remember exactly how but the old man has like the keys to like immortality or something like a drink that they? I don't. Think. It was like, do you know related? So not something like a serpent and the rainbow? No no no nothing like that. It was more. Don't remember exactly how and why but so he ends up betraying in and. Just like all these little in these like A. Morality Tale. He. Gets the drink and then he in the black guy go you know out on the swamp like hunting something and he pushes the guy out of the boat and assumes he's like eat mine alligators and. Then the guy who also drink this elixir comes back. Looking like. Ted. Danson creepshow. Bubbling voice in my crap hanging off oven and proceeds to hide the guy down. Chop off his arms and legs and set him on. But He's already taken room so he is still alive. In the last shot in a hospital bed in the doctor's like I don't know anybody else. has like these cataclysmic injuries and zooms in on demand agent has one tier wow. See is the bandages I mean I watched that when I was like thirteen fourteen nonce hurry roughs up now want to see it. I have not seen that you got. Yeah. He's a segment in that where he has like coke bottle glasses and I don't remember. WHO. ACLU HAS A son. Yes. John Gallagher. So I was who, yes I kept up with him really well, because of project green light right that which was Ben Affleck and Matt Damon's. What channel was that on Broadway has? No idea we'll anyway, they only did choose seasons three. I don't even remember what other movies or yeah. So he was rewarded but I think they produced feast from his great which the original fees which had Kluger clue was in all three of the feast movies right? They were just total over the top growth gory. difinitely. Me a couple of watch throughs to not that I didn't like it the first time. It was just so like you said so. You know and then I, think I, watched again later and enjoyed it a little bit more. But I think he was going for like an evil bed to kind of vibe or if there was some immediate hearts to. The just didn't that weren't as. Wide. Right I. I didn't realize this. He did John directed children of the corn runaway. I don't even know that two thousand eighteen which also had clue in it. Okay. He's been keeping his dad you know. Clue plays a character by the name of crusty. Though. Feasts to the subtitle is sloppy seconds. Yes. Guys and only thing I can remember at a feast to which was really stood out was when the guy was being chased by. One of the beasts and he threw an infant. Behind. Him To throw the beast off this turn. Out. That's And it was all in slow motion. I didn't realize clue is in once upon a time in Hollywood I didn't just saw that's his last credit twenty minutes. To go back and see the. Bookstore man. Titled, to, have to. That project greenlight did you watch that? Yes. That season at least that's the only one that I watched part of it too. But like Is that what they intended to happen make this like gory just crazy over the top horror movie I. Know They were doing it as a horror but I think he just had the best correct right the then the concept for which that an something I mean it is really violent. Nudity and it says here, there were four seasons of project, greenlight? One Ace to. The, last season was in two thousand fifteen. I mean. They'd am popular actors in their own right a for project greenlight. I just. Wonder. If they. Minutes. Hanky now that another good will hunting's GonNa pop up or something and this and include googlers son showed up. The whole. Out He was also in a movie called clue to electric book. He was in the willies yogurt up games are are you familiar with that movie? Well, only because we talked about it, I don't remember it. I don't either and it had a ton of people. But we talked about I think that's how I got to class of nineteen ninety nine was through the willies with. Joshua John, Miller writes but Shawn asks. It has kind of a goonies by to. Your L. Yeah. This is nineteen ninety. So Right Yes James Karen was. Also, in return of the living. Doug Benson I think is that's his first acting credit. Is You mentioned that before. I did not realize he was in that. is in fact, round is a song the. The uninvited, that's not the same. Now I thought that is a great on Clark Odd. So you guys wanted the truth. Uninvited nineteen, eighty seven. A cat and -FFECTED WITH A genetically engineered virus escapes from a lab. The mutant feline goes on a killing spree and find his way aboard a yacht owned by a shady businessman whose invited a group of young people to hang out. Starring George Kennedy. And co-starring George Kennedy's Ivy S. That is actually A. I say this every week I think they did that on retracts up at the of the only reason. I've seen it. There's one scene or the cat like. BARF UP SOMETHING And it is like in the middle of this. Who Fi. Italian me everyone ended except for George. Kennedy. Is dramatic other hundred. But anyway is really gross. But clue she shows up and everything he isn't a hidden. Yes he is. I'M GONNA. Get you sucker. Dan. Turner. Hollywood detective. To bring that up. My heroes have always been cowboys. He was in puppet master five. Actually the legend continues the like series that they did like. Oh many years up. That's nine, hundred, ninety five. which still had David carrying did. Yes. Was On for Four Seasons, I guarantee you David Sheridan that they got for the legend continues and the David Feherty. Who are A lot different. I'M NOT GONNA go into detail sides think that those are. They weren't getting Wallpa- who the born on day at been. I don't know how else. Yeah isn't leaves but fell that I saw as Mr, Andersson's wore buddy. Walker Texas ranger great occupying vessel. Anyway I I liked villiger he shows up in. His Bert in return of the living dead is amazing. Oh. Yes I mean that's gotTa. Be My favorite movie within. It says here he revitalized his career in the nineteen eighties and scores of horror flicks that took advantage of his ever growing wild eyed eccentricities. So, hard to say eccentricities. Or to say, yeah, I'm looking through. I've always wanted to do this and I never think to go back into as I'm just. I'm just watching the movie. But when Ahah Quigley during that scene in the rain. They call for more aromatics yeah. She is nude and. White like clown quite. and. She kind of walks seductively in the rain up to the paramedic. That's got right. She bites into his head and the scene is really quick. So you think that you're kind of like you're you're not sure what you're saying that they have a still on IMDB and. Whoever has a mask on with their face like completely along gated? It's just a weird effect because none of the others obvious do that. You know it's just for a split second. You see were mouth is like. Twice the size at that. And it is a very effective disturbing in Adj. What image a number. Oh, I, see it now. Interesting I knew that they added something to is just onscreen for so short a period time. She almost looks like from house. Little Big Yeah. and. Lose. Members only jacket is hugging adds it. Oh. Yeah I also loved on Calcutta's I kind of tracksuit. He's like almost a Hollywood. So word that's not derogatory. Turn a living dead must see boss for any serious or fan. I love comedy. That one is rides that perfect. Dan o'bannon. Script. Guess Narain, street to I want to go back and see nightmare on ELM street to to pick him out. But it of looked like maybe use a teacher I. Don I I don't. Marinov street part to at the theater. That was before they got so much comedy into I. Think Actually Part One may add more comedy than part two. Dead serious deaths and and they said, okay, this didn't really go over. Let's pump it up with three more years i. think that's what happened there. I think you're right as the yes. Part Sue, some of them are pretty far. I love his face like coming through the guys thumbing. He's a senior in high school, which is weird as he's in his third. Of areas there's flu. I would hope Lang. She's blue velvet maybe that's. Marshall. Bells the gym teacher outright that's a yeah we talked about him. He host Quavo. Yes he hosts Quavo. All right Kluger. Look him up and watch his films because he might not be around too much longer. He's nineties ninety one say yes. But he's always looked like thin and frail but. I think it's just the way he looked when he's popular to us. Well, into his sixties he'll pop up on thos