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Grieving our mothers online, with author Rachel Vorona Cote

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35:48 min | 1 year ago

Grieving our mothers online, with author Rachel Vorona Cote

"It feels in some way how however however you know how much of a fantasy this is it feels is. If I'm I'm doing something about it that I'm that I'm that I'm managing it. It in some way that that I have some sort of control over the loss of my mother which of course I and welcome to freed on Sports Chandrika CHAKRABARTI and based voice. You just heard. The code. Open belongs to this episode's interviewing she's author. Rachel Verona Coty. I found Rachel through a long reads piece. She writes about morning online. She rate the peace. She does her mother just eighteen months before grief and how we do it in a digital age which I feel is a little more openly. beastie is a theme that absolutely fascinates snakes knee and let Rachel today the story of me and while my cascais much about grief and she she explains it just I and and just to just to acknowledge explicitly. I mean I I. My mom was sixty two when she died. And I I I feel as if she I wish she could have had so much more time and she did. Ovarian cancer is awful awful and that said I still did get three decades with you and I still have my father you i. I can't know what it is like to lose both my parents before. I'm I was twenty funny the way that that you did. And that's and that's a wholly different thing and you know. And that's you know I and I would never even pretend to understand. I understand that I would have dealt with this. I think quite differently at at age. Twenty and young people yes especially are. It's so terrifying for them to be around. And it's actually something that I've thought about and when you mentioned to me how old you were when you lost your parents. I thought about it again Dan because even even somebody you know in you know I was. I was thirty two when my mom died is still so despite the fact that I had wonderful support From a lot of angles of my life are from many many corners of my life There are just a lot of people who do not know they just do not know what the fuck to do with it. They just don't and and I don't and I don't blame them because of course how. How can you know it is so terrifying? And it's exactly what you said you lose you lose your father and then the and then people around you realize oh I could lose my father to you. Know it's like this It's like Being sort of shocked through with this realization Asian of mortality that we generally just wander around Not Thinking about because how could we function if we we're always thinking about how we're all going to die in town from waltz. Rachel just had to say that we had a great conversation when she really listened to me I think for the moment I'm happy with telling my story in how and it might be awhile before tellingly stories myself on a microphone. UN's podcast by boop links in the show nights cheap hessler essays. I've written about my parents and the deaths in about grief beyond that. I decided to tackle cool this difficult subjects on this particular episode because freelance put has been going for one whole year at its best birthday on Sunday tail number and it was why would happen. I launched by. I didn't know if I'd make it this far. And so I've been making a podcast in tiny by myself for a whole year and I'm pleased I do. There's been an incredible year involving three. Live recordings Alavi would shoot listing and getting tube to just incredible people meeting the Costa's leading say much about this medium and yes quick reminder that still go with their life. According to the Sunday seventeen members. It's up to date. And it's the theater in. Soho are making my s staged tapie so say twelve pounds of Santa Fe online. It'd be worth it to website to come along to see me interview Eh Science Author Djamil. We'll talk about has fiction published How self branch yourself online and how hype gets US really weird sites and take headlines like Rabo can steal your jobs? They're not his height and it's ridiculous so so I will be tweeting but all of that in some way stephen join us back to this upside. I such tackle a a heavy subjects and one who is lessening the premature and many times and Rachel was brea. Besson listen to talk about grief and the Internet and specific loss of about which which is not like anything else. So I'm just GonNa let her speak for yourself I am somebody somebody who really thrives on Control or at least the illusion of control role. are thrive on feeling if I can organize things into a narrative And so I think I think for me. One of the ways that I dealt with the suit of Wallop of of grief was to was to find some sort of way a two as to sort of Parse Parsons through language to even though I think the you know I think this is something we talk about a lot. That language fails as so often when it comes to talking about something as big and bulky and And this role as grief I. I found some I don't know relief is the right word. But which but sums there was something soothing soothing about writing it out about Are Finding trying to find ways to articulate it and I think I think that there are a couple reasons for that I again there's there's the collusion delusion of of Control that. If if I'm able to to to put this into a narrative to to tweet about it to write An instagram the gramm caption to write essays of for the Internet about different facets of of my grief process than it it feels in some way how however however you you How much of a fantasy this is? It feels as if I'm I'm doing something about it that that I'm that I'm managing it in some way that that I have some sort of control over the loss of my mother which of course I I. I don't when also when I'm when I'm doing these things when when I'm writing when I'm doing doing something that has a very rigorously intellectual component In a strange way even though Writing about my mother still you know. Take a real emotional toll One I'm actually in in it when I'm actually doing the work of of writing then I'm not. I'm not feeling as acutely the the loss because I'm turning it into In an intellectual endeavour in in a in its way I'm doing something with that that You know meet on selfish note is a kind of soothing or maybe relief for me And it also that something that could be could be useful Perhaps for others End and so I think I think those those are sort of two of the the impulses behind it. I I think also this I've been using this I've been using this reference Here and there I think about The moment in the second season of fleabag where fleabag I has She's just come from her mother sooner funeral and she's telling boo I don't I just don't know what to do with all the love. I have her. I don't know where to put it And so who I think for me writing about it writing essays online tweeting. I think all of that that has been for me Part of this larger effort to figure out where Where I'm where I put put where to put that loves Where where to put all of these feelings how to how to navigate this relationship that is now now You know it it. It's ongoing I will continue to have this relationship with my mother and this is something I think you get to in in your essay on On the outline about grief processes to that relationship continues but But now it's it's it's just me It's it's it's it's me there's no there's no coral we'll maternal presence so so everything sort of becomes diffuse so so in those ways ah the Internet Has has been helpful really and then and then of course there's you know there's there's the community aspect I you know how the Internet can be a terrible place it can. It is also the place where I've made a wonderful wonderful friends thousands and have and they have been absolutely tremendous In this year and a half since I lost my mother mother the experience of losing somebody. So close to me I I I had never had that and now it was happening with my mother us so I was really just still just totally confounded by it And so so so I think Yes leading up to her death I again I I you know I you know we keep coming back to this word organized but I and I think I think that that was just was what I was trying to do that. I I had my brain felt so consumed by By what was happening I The anxiety that I felt about her her imminent and certain loss and and and just everything that was happening and the feelings were just you know they're just so Oceanic you know just just just enormous and and And sort of unrelenting that again I think i. I reached for a mechanism of control. Which for me tends to be writing? I think through writing I That's that is how organize my thoughts and so And so it just sort of happened that I began not not In any release his stomach way but but then just sort of started Started Hosting about it just Things I observed nothing that would have nothing. I hope that it would have infringed upon mothers privacy on my family's privacy but things that I think that I was feeling the it's such a grief is one of the things that can be so who so so Difficult about it as if it's in one of the things that makes it so difficult to wrangle now is that there's just there's just so much about it that you can't anticipate that you just as you said that you can't know until you feel it and And there's really no no way to know so what you're going to feel because there's no template for it. Everybody grieves in a way. That's very specific to them. And who they are. And and and specific to the relationship that they had with Without Person They're losing and and what their most intimate thoughts are about that so So so did sort of become this way It's also very it's very isolating I think and And this is probably is something that is connected to my extroversion I don't like to feel isolated and feeling this feeling feeling of grief that You know it was. I understood as being so fundamental to me into my a relationship with with my mother even having a really wonderful support system It's not something something that you can share and obviously I don't know All any of a all of us you know those of us who lose people sooner than than seems fair You know none of us want the people we care about to experience that sort of thing but but but the fact remains that it is. It is nonetheless a release of isolating circumstances though. I think There was there was a a way in which I was sort of reaching out and and and it was It was it was wonderful and and really we are really Warming in its way This sort of response I would get back at it in in some ways as I think talking about our grief seems to give permission Not that any of us should need permission but I think it because it can be so difficult to feel like we can just sort of express the biggest ugliest emotions that we have Seeing somebody else do it can maybe enable or facilitate somebody else doing that And feeling and thinking well you know actually I'd really like to share Something that I've been grappling with and so the sort of testimonies that I get from other people whether it was tweeting or whether a Whiz whether it's been in response to something that is that I've written in her published You know that that's been That's been wonderful on You know on You know for for the reason that you know if that I it. It seems Agnes's if I'm doing something that that could perhaps help other people if that's possible then then I'm so glad And I'm and I'm I'm grateful That that's something that I I that I can make something useful of this but also selfishly It it did it was it. It's a comfort To to not to not feel as as a loan In in terms of the feeling of of having to do something I don't think think I ever felt as if I other than the Impulsive Oh my gosh I have to. I have to have to reach two words. Words to to To make something out of this because it is so. It's so overwhelming will I was writing. I think I think there was. Maybe there was a month or two that I didn't do a lot of writing I I was just basically on the couch crying into Marquette And I you know I think I would. I would still posts here and there but yeah I didn't I didn't really want to leave the apartment I you know people closest to me. You know they would come over. I would go one of my sisters lives. Lives in town we would see each other But but yet it was it was part. Take Part of it. I didn't want to inflict myself on other people and I also just didn't I in in the that those really early months runs as you said it you know it is. It's just sort of this Farrell time. You know you're you're learning saying you're you're basically learning the world all over again. You're learning how to be in the world Where your mother isn't and for for me for somebody who is so privileged to have had a mother who you know every every relationship has its complexities? But you know by you know but to have had a mother who were there was so much? Mutual love love and an understanding Who had always taken? Just wonderful care of me To have that yeah privilege and you know which sort of makes my grief over loss a privilege of its own. You know that You know it's a you know. I think I'll be learning. I'll be learning the world without her for the rest of my live. I and I'll I'll be trying to figure out a And sort of experimenting with different ways in different places to put My grief For for for years to come so I think yes especially in those early months You know I think IT A. You gradually get to a place where you're able to to to do that work but but also maybe returned to yourself a little bit But initially it fell. We'll just insurmountable To to be all of the things that I thought thought I was I expect myself to be and and also to to be e- to be grieving and so I yeah I spent. I spent a lot of time. mm-hmm much more time alone than I ever had and You know I get very very anxious about My husband going anywhere because I get really really Terrified of any of something happening him and and not in that still happens sometimes and And then in terms with in in terms of the the creativity you know it was if felt so weird and but I I would I would have sort of you know I had the ideas here and there Relatively early on I. I really wanted a really wanted to write something in about the music. That mom listened to together It just it was something the thing that I that I really wanted to do And so I thought well you know what the Hell I and I I talked to somebody that I knew pitchfork and so that AH resulted in an essay and I and I'm very glad that I wrote that a because You know I think it was. I do think it was sort of a a It was it did turn into part of all of this for me. Part part of the process I I think it did help me a to you to think a little more lucidly about about the way remembering her and and Dumb and and about the different places that I can go to remember her And I also did. I got a lot of really lovely responses from people who you know who had also lost parents and And who you know were I for and and who related to Just to sum of what I what I wrote about and and so I'm I'm glad for that but but it was there. There was this sort of queasy. Feeling of You have my doing this so soon. You know it's my mother hasn't been gone for the two months and I'm I'm writing something I I you know how am I doing this and But at the same time you know I think Every time I'm I write something about losing her on I am in A. Im inhabiting a different moments of it. That that was early And in that piece I think that is I'm I'm I'm really. I'm really skittish about reading things that I write but I imagine that that piece is probably different in a lot of ways will definitely different in a lot of ways from the piece that I The long reads peace because You know a year and a half later. I'm I'm thinking about losing her. It's not just about the lost that also thinking about what it means to document that loss so And and so yeah I think in in In writing that that has more or less Ben Ben Positive the way I've I've grieved and and that I've also to that I've Par St- The grief. My book sold old in mid June of twenty seventeen and then my mother died less than six months later. It was just really really Wild to turn of events a And so so I you know I I. I tried to work on but it did by by I would say by February march twenty eighteen. I sort of realized I o okay. I think I'm GonNa need a little bit of a little bit of space because it's one thing to it's one thing to write an essay it's one thing to To say okay I'm going to devote This discreet amount of time to this activity vity today And that felt doable for me In in the in the following months but writing a book That despite the fact that it's not a memoir It would still has memoir elements to it and my mother is there that The the the enormity of that project just I think that just felt beyond me Briefly and then then but then You know sometimes I do. I also really thrive on On on tight deadlines also Lose it at first and then but then just A Eh but then just trying to throw myself into it and so I think there was when I in the last Months leading up to when I turned in the first draft of my manuscript I think that in its way was helpful. Even though it could be hard it was I was still. It'd be writing and still beating back the desire to just go and saw about how much I miss mom It was just this really it was it was crappy. You know There's there's there's really no way to sugarcoat Trying to write a book when you're in deep grief over your mother is just a it. It is not a well I you know logistically I cannot cannot have that experience again so you know I am. I am glad that that I won't have to Because it it was awful sometimes Sometimes the the really urgent need he did. Just focus was helpful by could really lose myself in the work that I was doing that That sometimes was arrested of its own and then in other times it was just like You know trying to work while I was also taming a beast a wild beast. So having this sort of disembodied bodied space out in You know where we have put ourselves out to the ether and And engaged with one. Another there I think in some ways that can be that that can be helpful when the actual physical labor of Of of getting ourselves out the door and that finding the words To to actually engage aged people face to face and and to be a certain way to conduct ourselves certain way You know we don't have to do all that. Now you know there is also the argument that That can cause us to to lean too heavily on on social media out on the Internet A and and use it as as an excuse to to not Go out into the world when maybe it would be. It would be healthy for us to do you so I have three voicemails that I have saved. You've done my phone and One of them is from birthday. My birthday I I think I have some emails here. Their mom didn't She wasn't really really like to write the emails she. She wasn't Confidence in her ability to express herself herself which You know was unnecessary she. She expressed herself well She she she had a facebook account. You know she didn't really post a whole lot. Actually she was very cute She would she would go through it and looked through photos that my two younger sisters and I Had posted and then she would choose ones that she liked and then she would would make little album and where she would hosting right a little caption And that was her way of showing her friends what we were up to and it was very so very sweet. Thanks the reach of Raina for speaking to me about such a personal subjects and getting to such amazing detail about how she's grief her mother. Rachel has account cool too much in February twenty twenty and I'll put the details Shane. Okay do check it out. It's about grief reef but it does absolutely fascinating and just that was more of these conversations conversations you have a life. The didn't know you could have some clouds. Louis did thank you but for now goodbye. Good bye

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Ohio State vs. Alabama & College Basketball Betting Tips with Kyle Hunter January 4, 2021

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1:03:00 hr | 3 months ago

Ohio State vs. Alabama & College Basketball Betting Tips with Kyle Hunter January 4, 2021

"Hello again everybody and thank you for joining me here on this monday. January fourth edition of ats radio. I'm your host. Adam burke joined today by professional better and handicapper kyle hunter from hunter. Sports picks dot com. We'll give you some initial thoughts on the college football playoff national championship game between ohio. State and alabama. We'll talk a little bit about what our approach is going to be from a prop standpoint because this game basically treated like the college football super bowl lots of betting options available. Not right now but we'll be later on in the week and of course we'll talk about more of those next week show then try to focus the majority of today's program on the hardwood call. It our handicapping. The hardwoods segment talking a lot of things around the college basketball landscape. So that'll get you ready for what's coming up over the next few weeks in the college basketball realm over. Ats dot io great content for you. This morning i put together the recaps for week. Seventeen in the circus. Sports million to and the west gate super contest. Congratulations to all of the winners. In knows you can read about all those details over at the website. Nfl opening line report. Also here for the wild card weekend off. We have any time next week on the show. We'll talk some nfl with kyle. But for now. I wanted to make sure that we did a lot of college basketball stuff since we've been kind of putting that on the back burner a little bit. We are talking college basketball. Nba college football and the nfl over at ats dot io and also the nhl. Season begins a week from wednesday. So we'll be talking more about pucks over at the website as well and gulf returns this week tournament of champions out at kapalua of preview for that over. Ats dot io later today. Finally makes you. Ats app you can find in the google play store or in the apple store just search against the spread or ats betting or whatever you want to look for in either one of those two stores you also go to. Ats dot io on your mobile device. Click the link to download the app. And that'll take you straight there whether you have an android or an device but it's a tracker and odd screen. Full article integration from the website. Lots of helpful handicapping tools. Tons of bells and whistles in that app. So make sure that you delo that. Ats app. we'll have you covered for everything that you need right there at your fingertips when you download the app with that we bring on today's guests that is professional better and handicapper kyle hundred from hunters. Sports picks dot com and kyle. How's it going today. Man yourself at them very well buddy. Appreciate your time as always sir and big weekend for me. You know being a buckeyes fan in a browns fan. I can't believe in the span of twenty four hours next week on sunday and monday. Playoff game for the browns and of course the national championship. Game for the buckeyes. You're a buckeyes fan as well. So i know the texts that you and i had back and forth. I think satisfying was was the word that i used for ohio state. Not only to win that game. What to do it in the manner that they did over that smug asshole dabble establish sweeney. That was fun it was fun. It was a nice way to start. Twenty twenty one for us i was. I was really pumped up about that game. That was the most pumped up. I've done about our state game in a long time. My wife even sold him. And it's been a long time. You know you kind of mellowed out and then it came back on saturday night. And i was like our friday night i was like yeah that that game meant a little bit more rate. I mean it had more involved in it. And obviously this sets up a A huge national title game with alabama team. That's been I mean it as about as good as anybody. I've seen in a really long time. So it's a tough match-up state. But you and i kind of talked beforehand. Even if we knew it was going to lose the national title game. We really wanted them to win. That game last week and Yeah that was a really satisfying win. It absolutely was and also to doubly satisfying for me. I've married into being a south carolina fan as well. So i know the gamecocks can't beat clemson but it was certainly nice real estate to do it and again to do it in the manner that they did especially with how dab treated everything leading up to that game. I was hilarious to see the discourse on twitter of people like man you know how just how bad of a spot it puts me in to have to root for ohio state because i dislike dabble that much it was just such a fascinating discussion there on social media and of course we'll see what happens. You're in the national championship game. Which we'll talk about in a minute and also kind of some factors that you and i have discussed with ohio state coming off of such performance against clemson but before we get to the national championship game. I always asked all of my guests. This and of course now that we're into the new year maybe some new year's resolution type themes here coming out of this college football season kyle. That was so weird so unique so strange you sort of wonder how much you want to take away from this season. But you know the question. I'm going to ask here. What do you feel like you did. Well what do you feel like you need to work on. And then the final question the follow up to that would be. How much of this season can we actually take away and to next year in future seasons. Yeah overall. I'm kind of disappointed how my season went Just barely up for the season. My free picks have done better than my Paid plays in general Sides were bad me totals. Were better to me bowl. Season was a real mess. They didn't bet very many games and bowl season. I'm really glad. I didn't feel like it was kind of a minefield with all the last minute. Things San jose state was aside. That i really liked quite a bit. I'm glad i didn't get on that one. I know some people who were pretty sharp on that one and this was just a a season that You know not. Because i. I was down so much or or or because you know. It was the ugliest season i've ever had. But i'm ready to forget this season. You know it's just something that i'd hate to take too much out of this season based on how things went This was so much different than anything else. i do. Think that I probably waited too long to make my plays a lot of the weeks this year and i talked myself out a too many sides that were actually good once you know i can think of a couple of times. I talk myself out of fading michigan state. I knew michigan state wasn't good. And i was worried that somebody knew something i didn't about covid and i didn't take iowa. That was the one that really stood out to me as far as the big play. But you know. I talked myself out winners that way. I also waited too long in the week on. Some of my totals got burnt on a couple those numbers i feel like you know in a normal season really beat myself up over that but in this season you kind of have to say. It was understandable. Why i wanted to wait so I didn't get as good. A market entry is what i normally do. I still got closing line value. But i didn't get the best of the number quite as often as normal. So i hate that but i feel like. It's kind of understandable so as far as what i take away from this season. I'm not gonna take away much for next year and i don't even know what i'm going to do. As far as power rating start next year because It's going to be pretty tough to Apply what happened at the end of this year for the teams that especially the teams that had a bunch of guys sitting out opting out at the end of the season or were out with covid. It's going to be hard to take what you finish with last year and really start with that next season so i think power ratings are going to be more complicated to start with next season and i think something. It's really challenging for you and for people in your line of work. Is you almost have to evaluate the season sort of layers in terms of what you did personally with your bank roll with the players that you made the numbers that you got that earlier in the week totals for example right you get a lot of closing line. And the totals market things that you can't release to clients so that's an altogether different animal and i talk about this from my personal perspective of handicapping for content. Where a lot of times. I think about this specifically with cherry picking college basketball games. I don't like whatever games on. Espn probably but it's the big game tonight. So it's the one that i write up the one that i preview all of that. Maybe i haven't edge a different or finding anglo like in a different game. Something like that. Haiti decamping for content is much different than personally betting and handicapping for you. I think the fact that you have to restrict yourself to a number that's widely available or restrict yourself to releasing plays at a certain time of the day or something like that that makes it a real challenge that adds an extra layer of difficulty to a business. That's already very tough to beat. And i know that you'll get flack when you have losing plays that occasionally get the atta boys when you have winning plays what i think. A lot of people don't realize is that you know because you have to adhere to these different timelines or know if a number is seven and a half somewhere and you can grab it because it's an out for you but at seven across the rest of the market you can't release seven and a half to clients and then say well. Why did you take seven. I told you take seven and a half when it's sitting there at one book. I think that's a really challenging thing. Too and i think something like that gets magnified in this kovin season for exactly the reasons that you outlined. How long do i wait to actually release this play or bet at myself. What does somebody out there know that. I don't know you know the inside information thing. It was just one of those years. Where i think there were a lot of things working against a lot of people and in particular you do have clients that purchase selections from you. I think it made it that much harder. Yeah did i think that As far as the day to day buyers that people who buy on the weekend a lot of times those people who buy just on. Saturday aren't going to get the plays that i liked the most. Because i don't want to sell something that's moved a lot so i pull that down and the only people that are going to receive those plays the people that have the long term subscription. So it's kind of frustrating. For me. When i know that. Hey my favourite. Three players are the ones that i can't put up on the site for daily sale on saturday. But i wanna be fair to the people who buy that day. I don't wanna say hey you know. Take over fifty eight in the lines now. Sixty two and a half that. That wouldn't be right so That's that's complex. And i will say that. That totals move a lot more than sides do and when i play a lot of A lot of totals. It's more likely that you're going to have some big line moves as has happened as far as this year too. I do track how my leans versus my plays of done I had a year a couple years. Ago where i did really good in college. Football and my leans did really poorly. This year was the year where my lien said. Better than my my actual plays. And i actually did. Bet some of those lanes the complicated. Dang for myself as i've kinda taken the approach that i wanna lower my volume a bit because they know some clients Really can't handle the large volume. So i've tried to cut back on what kind of paid plays i have The swings are far more drastic. When you're betting say fifteen college basketball plays in a day versus Six or seven. So i've tried to lower that volume. I'm not really sure that that's the best way to to make a long term prophet and the end especially in portland college basketball but even college football where i've lord my plays a little bit but you know as far as customer service and and people you know being happy enough i. I do think that it's a little bit easier if you're not Betting a ton of play so That's that's a move. That made that i kind of wrestle with that one but you know especially in this covid season did kind of want to have lower volume. So we'll see what happens next year. I really hope that. I think all of us do. I really hope that next year is a lot more normal than this year was. Yeah we certainly hope so. And like i've told you before the challenge that comes with that is your handicapping every game twice. You know you've got this list of things that you like and know maybe you're playing a game that maybe you've got. Let's say you've got five plays right and you've got maybe an extra half or an extra quarter percent edge on the place that you sell premiums. Yeah in some respects. That could be a large in most respects. It's probably not going to be. It's a very nominal egede best but you're handicapping the games twice in the sense that some are going to be premium. Some are gonna be personal. Plays that you bet because you like them but you try to take your best five players and put them out there and and that does make it a really challenging thing to say the least. So i don't envy you in the spot that you're in but you know i just like to talk about these things just so that listeners. Understand you know how this business goes and you know of course the the complications and the complexities as you said of the pick selling side of the spectrum with will do a highlight video here a week in advance of the national championship game between ohio. state and alabama. I'm ats radio. Host edinburgh joined by professional. Better and handicapper kyle hunter from hunters. Sports picks dot com. And i will tell you. Hear that at this point in time. Neither one of us has a strong opinion on side or the total for the national championship game. We're a week out a lot of moving parts the best way to attack. This is almost always the property market. Whether it's team props for player props for a game of this magnitude but we did want to get a highlight video out there talking through our initial thoughts here. Now that this lines had some time to marinate over the weekend and we've had some time to kind of sit there and think about where this number is sitting. So kyle right now. Is this game alabama minus eight pretty much marketwide. Total seventy five initial action. So far has been on alabama on the side and on the under a little bit about what we've seen so far As far as this game. I think that this sets up is a really difficult spot for ohio. State us buckeyes fans. We know how big that win was over clemson. That was a game that ohio state had circled the entire season. you know. they wanted to play clemson. They got their wish showed up in a big way. Look ohio state was far better in that game than they've been any other time this year and we knew they were capable of it but they hadn't shown it until that game Fields was amazing. I think that it's underrated. How much trae sermon is really helped us offense at this point though you know. I know that fields deserves a lot of credit. And i'm certainly not taking anything away from him but he wouldn't bay. We'll have that game if it weren't for trade sermon. Being that good sermon has been a light years. Better than master teak was earlier this season He had some good. Catch us out of the backfield there. In that game he was tremendous running the football. I think that really opened up at deep pass because clemson really had to respect the running game and the short passing game was sermon. As far as what's bam going to do in this on defense. I think alabama defense has improved quite a bit throughout the course of the season is clearly still their weaker side of the football Alabama's offense. I can't find a flaw in it. I don't know who could find a flaw in that Bam offense ohio state's defense and in the last game looked better. I still don't think ohio state's defense that really good defense Their linebacker play is not as good as it is a lot of seasons the secondary certainly down from what it's been in some of the past season. They think the defensive line is still pretty good and they played very well. They're against clemson As far as how this game sets up we gotta line here of ninety eight a couple seven and a half mainly eight. I don't think this will go toward ohio state. if anything it would go up toward alabama. I don't think it will get to ten. I'd be surprised if You know if it got the ten. I think ohio state we get too much action so Eight and a half nine may be about where this line could go. If you like ohio state you probably want to wait and see what you can get if you like alabama. I don't think it hurts you to go ahead and play it early You know higher states had more covert issues than has alabama here of late which is also something to factor in. I don't we can't predict what's going to happen in the next week. Obviously was something like that. So that's one of the downfalls of of betting it early if you do as far as the total I don't know what to do with this. Total to be to be honest. Because i i wanna take the over. But i can't take over seventy five and a national title game. I don't think i i'm not. I haven't met this game yet. What i'm going to bet on this one. I do think props will have more value than the game. I don't think. I'll bet. Ohio state in this when i did bet. Ohio state against clemson You were basically have the same line as we had against. Clemson and ohio state was in a far better spot there than what they are here. And i think alabama is better than clemson. So it'd be hard to take a higher state. I don't wanna take him. Obviously as an ohio state fan casino. It'd be conflicted You know it's one of those spots where i don't think there's any great value as far as the full game here. I might end up playing something. I might play a first half or something like that. I think the over has A decent chance of getting there. But i can't take over seventy five in a game that as a national title game at least for a big play at all on the other side. How could you take the under. I mean it'd be really hard to take the under these two teams big play offense as if you were ever gonna say big-play offense as both of these teams fit. Both teams have given up a lot of big. Plays on defense too so you would expect a lot of explosive. Plays in this game as i sort of handicapped this one and and listened to your breakdown of it and sort of process my thoughts on the game. I do have a lean and it is to the alabama side and this is not an emotional hedges. You mentioned baltimore block is fans. This is not emotional hedge or anything like that. There are a couple of things about this game that would me in the alabama direction. The first one is justin fields has to be able to hit the deep ball for ohio. State keep pace with alabama. I don't know if that happens here. I do that with. Chris alavi back. We saw the clear cut difference in this ohio. State offense with sermon a more of a focal point and of course being back. It changed everything for ohio. State in the vertical passing game fields has to hit those throws for the buckeyes ski pace and those are not well. Field is very good at throwing the deep ball. I wouldn't call them. High percentage plays by any means. So that's something that worries me a little bit. The second thing about it here is that i thought clemson called a really really poor offensive game in the semi-final it's almost like they tried to do exactly what they did. Last season and figured they would have the same measure of success and they didn't carry koumas plan for it. As you said ohio state had this game circled they wanted this rematch. They got it. They did things differently. I thought ryan day called an excellent game. I thought clemson really failed in a lot of different areas when fields got hurt. They never really blitzed and very much didn't make him uncomfortable. And then offensively. Things are just kind of a train wreck for clemson throughout that game. There was a play early on in that game. When you and i were texting each other back and forth the trevor lawrence touchdown run when he beat barron browning to the edge got to the end zone. That is my biggest worry for ohio. State defensively in this game. They are slow at linebacker. What does alabama love to do. They're gonna put out in devante. Smith's hands out in space. They're going to run crossing routes. They're gonna run. Seem routes are gonna run guys over the middle ohio. State's linebackers are going to have a big problem. I think keeping up with alabama's wide receivers clemson didn't exploit that. They did not use the middle of the field. Lawrence through a lot of low percentage plays to the sideline and then of course. They used travel as much as they could. I taught clemson had a very bad game. Plan go again. I do not expect alabama to have the same. I'm rooting for ohio state. I oklahoma state can pull this one out. I hope they can keep this game. Close certainly respectable. But as i break it all down here as i think about how. I expect this game to go. Hi expect both teams to scheme and the differences. I see from the alabama offense and the game plan relative. To what clemson did i think. It's very hard for ohio state to keep pace here in this one unless fields hits those deep balls and all the sudden the linebackers find some speed. Yeah i would lean to alabama and this one as well. So i i don't disagree with that and the other thing is Smith on the outside. I would have to assume that. It's sean weighed against him right away. He was swayed really bad. I mean anx far better than we did in that game Wait is really hurting his. Nfl draft stock lot. Here and i fully agree with you on the clemson. Dang to Both of us kind of texted back and forth during that game. Why were they running lawrence so much that came. I don't understand especially when they got behind. You just kept running and and we're texting each other like keep it up. You know. I mean what is going on here. bama's not gonna call near as bad of the game and They know that. Smith against wade. Or i assume it'll be smith against wade which really scares me Whoever the matchup is there Ohio states at a big disadvantage. And like you said they're gonna use the middle of the field and they're going to go deep a lot more. There's not going to be those eight or ten yard outs. That were pretty. Low percentage plays I think bama will throw it quite a bit in this game and that worries me as the buckeyes fan i mean on the plus side for ohio state. I will say this. You know the inclusion of the tight ends in the offense for really the first time all season. That was an adjustment that ryan day made. I think coming out of last year's game where last year they had issues with the safeties. They had issues with isaiah simmons they had issues with the corners but this year they kind of exploited that linebacker position for clemson. And certainly do that. A little bit more after sculpture. You gotta check it for the targeting call. I don't know if they have the same success doing that. Against alabama here in this one and also the elephant in the room that we've barely touched onto this point. What kind of shape is just in fields going to be in for this game. I mean the depth performance that semifinal game was one of the most incredible things i've ever seen on a college football field. The dude could barely get on the bike to stay loose. And then he's just throwing these seeds to the end zone. The tight ends throwing these deep balls from midfield. It was absolutely insane but what sort of damage was done. You know what do they put a flak jacket or some extra protection on him. That kind of limits. His mobility limits that rotation in the pocket to where they've it's harder for him to get some of those deeper throws off it takes them a little bit longer to kind of get into that throwing motion stuff like that. We have no idea you're talking about covert being a major uncertainty here in this game. The status of fields is gonna play but to what degree will he be able to play can uses legs. Can he run around. Will have to throw into double coverage so on and so forth. That's a question that we probably won't know the answer to until the game actually starts agree in that that could make you wonder if live betting would be a good option here too because Fields comes out looking really good at the beginning of the game. It would really encourage you a lot as the buckeyes fan at the same time. We know that there's some chance that will come out and not look. Nearly as good. fields did have a couple games where he didn't look very good. This season the northwestern. Game and the indiana game bama probably has a better plan here as well. I was surprised at clemson. Didn't adjust better than what they did with. Venables venables a great defensive coordinator but i kind of had their number the other day and you know field if he plays that good like he did the other day. That's going to be a really good game but it's hard to play that good twice in a row and i mean i don't know i don't know if he can be that amazing like you said he was throwing sixty yard passes right to alavi with that kind of injury. That would be hard to replicate a duplicate here. And i don't know. I mean as the buckeyes fan like you say maybe we buried the lede a little bit and that fields is really very important to this There are quite a few unknowns in this. When so i think it would be unwise to make a huge wager before the game For anybody but I game that you know certainly has plenty of fan value in this one. This should be a really exciting contest. Yeah absolutely so you know. Lean for both of us to alabama. And i will tell everybody this as we finish up. This highlight video. Do not tease this game. Because people are gonna look at this and say oh i can get alabama down under a field goal. Don't do that do not do that. Not in this super high variance environment very high total here of course in this game. Ohio state coming off their best performance of the year. Generally speaking teasers and college football are a bad idea anyway but especially in a game like this. Don't sit there and look alabama. And oh i can get them down below a field goal. That one is just way too good to be true. That is not a position that i look to take here. If you like alabama you got two options one is go ahead and lay the current price and two is exactly what you said live. Betting is an option is an opportunity. You may get alabama minus three and a half minus four. Live betting something like that. Depending on how this game starts so early thoughts from us here on the national championship game between ohio state and alabama makes you keep it tuned right here on. Ats radio and also to ats dot iso on get more thoughts here on this. Ohio state versus alabama matchup for january eleventh before we transition away from this game. No kyle. I wanna finish up. The highlight video. Their first prompt bedding. You know we talked about it a little bit already. That i think field is going to have to take some shots down field here because that's kind of ohio states. Mo if they want to move the ball eight ten yards at a time on on alabama. I don't know if they're going to be able to do that. So when i start thinking about the game state and how. I sort of expect this thing to go transition that over the player prop betting market. I'm kind of looking at something. Like fields under completions now of course. I don't know what that number is going to be a. We'll see what these prop at lines come out. Probably wednesday or thursday. They'll start popping up a little bit but to me. I think if fields has a big game it's probably not a volume based big game. It's probably just the big plays. Yeah i agree with that. I think that they'll take several shots. Downfield we don't know if they'll hit him or not but they've gotta take some shots here for multiple reasons because Alabama like you said it would be hard to move it on six or eight yards at a time and bama's going get so many big blaze themselves. It's going to be hard for ohio state if they don't some big plays also because it's really hard to always get you know three four or five yards on every single play and get down the field every time you have to get some explosive. Plays to keep up with the team as good as alabama. I think ohio state knows that i would look toward the under on a fields completions. Or maybe something over with trae sermon Sermons been very good Rushing yards abe even rushing and passing yards combined I think sermon will have a pretty good game here. Ohio states offensive line has played pretty well here down the stretch especially with with missing. Some guys will see if they're totally healthier. Not bama's defensive line is good. They're not a dominant defensive line. Like they've been in some years in the past. I think i've state can run the balsam here Sermon has played extremely well. And you have to think that they want to keep the ball away from alabama to some degree here who wouldn't want to so i think A look at trae sermon. Running at quite a bit and then fields looking depots decent amount as well as probably the way. Look at this and keep in mind too. You can have some correlation player props with your game props here as well. You know for example if you like alabama laying. The number then does justin fields wind up having to throw it a lot in the second half. Is that something that you maybe does. Ultimately push fields over on the other hand if throwing it a lot then that means that alabama is going to be sitting back in dime sitting back in zone all of that maybe that limits some of the explosive potential for a guy like alavi. Maybe he's gotta use garrett wilson more who seems to be kind of more of the possession guy for the buckeyes this season so there's a lot of different ways you can kind of attack this and it's hard to speculate not knowing what these lines are not knowing what the odds are on some of these things but they will be coming out probably like i said wednesday thursday friday. We'll be able to talk about some of them next monday. Show but it's not a bad idea to start getting kind of a plan of attack for these and of course as always. What are the biggest keys whether it's the super bowl the national championship game. Whatever else having multiple sportsbook accounts at your disposal to shop around for the best lines the best vig on these props because a lot of times that's going to really dictate your bottom lot. Absolutely we talked about it quite a bit. But it's really important that that half a point. Our point is gonna come into play a lot in a game and it's even more important. If you're betting props. I mean 'cause it's it can be a really big difference and we know when you're talking something like you know Over fifty five and a half rushing yards vs over fifty eight and a half That that's really important. So definitely have plenty of outs if you want to do something like that Strongly recommend that one again. You know and we'll see what the catalog looks like. But i mentioned fields completions under and you kind of look at that in a correlated sense with trae sermon rushing attempts. What do you think sermon. Russia's the ball a lot you can start looking at defensive player tackles for alabama some of their linebackers or their safeties. Something like that so again. A lot of ways to attack this a lot of ways you can connect different plays ways. You can even have a built in hedge if you're taking ohio state or if you're taking alabama whichever side you like or even the total off if you look the under in the game you kind of cover yourself by playing some player. Prop overs are independent events. You could win both of them but also sort of ways to protect yourself. Protect your investment. A little bit to get a lot of strategy comes into play with this. But i do love the fact that this is effectively. The college football super bowl in the sense that we should have a plethora of prop options available. And i know that those remarks that you and i love to attack and and again. This is the last college game of the year. These are probably the two most publicly scrutinized teams in all of college football. If you think you're gonna find a lot of wine value in a game like this on a spreader the total. You're probably dead wrong. So that's why the props whether it's team props game props or player props no way to attack this in my opinion. Yeah i want to echo what you said. There are a few minutes ago about teasing this game. That would be a really dangerous thing. Don't you bet there's gotta be somebody who's gonna tease bama down and play the over and a teaser and if you wanna bet totals and try to tease a total in college football. It's just a terrible idea. So don't don't do anything like that I really think totals are bad idea to tease in general but colds. Football totals really bad idea. So don't do anything like that look at the props instead and and like adam said you know if somebody's telling you wow we have huge line value this lines ten points off or something on the game. You probably want to run away if somebody's got a game of the year on this thing if you're somebody who who buys premium picks that person's charlatan and you'd never want to buy from them again. It's that simple. I mean there and that's the thing of it too is i. Don't even mention this during the highlight video. I don't think but like my line. Prior to the play offs was alabama minus eleven. And a half. So i mean i you know compared to what i would have had this line. You know a week ago being off from my number and you have to give state respect and alabama. They could have beat notre dame by more if they really wanted to. I mean they just completely let up in the second half of that game. They didn't cover the number. Ohio state won outright as more than a touchdown dog in very convincing fashion. Yeah you give them some props for that you give them some credit for that but the idea to me that after one game and after like three days of kind of evaluating this that this game is lined the exact same. The clemson game. Roughly that doesn't sit well with me. So maybe there is a little bit of line value. i don't know but you know again if somebody's telling. This is a game of the year or something like that. Not only do not want to buy from them. You probably want to respect their opinion either right because they're just so far off and and clearly they're just looking to sell something in the nose that this isn't the greatest value that there's ever been so if somebody tries to tell you that and you know they're kind of that snake oil person all right so we'll talk more about the props in the game itself next monday after we have some more time to our thoughts see if there's any kobe that pops up and of course maybe get some measure of an update on justin fields but we transition over the college basketball side of things here and it will be a lot of college basketball going forward. We'll be able to talk about the national championship game next week after that. Pretty much college basketball. Maybe we'll work in some. Nfl playoffs stuff. While we have kyle on the show here but we had a lot of ground to cover on the college basketball side of things here today. We'll start with some injuries of that. Quick hitters segment that. We've always done three really key injuries that you think have a significant impact on these respective teams. Yeah i think these are three important injuries. Jason preston for ohio their leading score nineteen points per game Miss last game due to an injury. And i'll be honest right at the last second when i realized he was going to be out of the game. I took all say that loss. That was not a paid play. That was just a personal place. That was one of those that i would do it again. Because i think that it's important enough that There's value going against ohio without preston I shot the lights out. And they want and that's going to happen sometimes but ohio team that rather fade without him I'll go with the other under the radar when next neftali alvarez from mercenaries mr last two games the first game without him They did not play well at all. And then they had a good performance and only lost by three against ferment. This guy's a really good point guard. A great passer very good free throw shooter kinda the floor general for mercer big big injury here. This is a very important injury. Ross cummings is really good player for mercer. But he can't play to his best without alvarez out there. I think that mercer's a team. That could do some real damage. If is out there it's undisclosed. Why hasn't played so. I don't know exactly Obviously we can. We can guess. But i don't know for sure why he's not playing A lot of these smaller schools can kinda get away with phenol. Undisclosed injury Undisclosed reasons that they're not playing easier than a team like kentucky or north carolina would be able to do so not sure exactly but it's a big loss for them. Chris meth for ucla. Torn acl out for the year This certainly lowers the ceiling for this. Ucla team and really. They've played pretty well so far this year. The pac twelve is terrible. And we're going to have plenty of time to talk about this. I won't belabor the point right now but i keep thinking one of these years that the pac twelve. It's gotta get better right. They can't just continue to be so bad every year. Because there's some schools that have been pretty good basketball schools in here and yet every year here of late. They've been really bad. Ucla their offense efficiencies gotta go down without christmas. Twelve point six points per game. Six point four rebounds. Good offensive rebounded They don't have great scorers the front court without him I think smith is a pretty big loss for them. And we know that cronin's team will play hard. There are pretty good defensive team. They're gonna play slow so you'll have some lower scoring games. Maybe unders without him would make some sense to me may even go against. Ucla early on it was definitely three key injuries. And and speaking of the ohio specifically you look at their previous three games before preston went out. They allowed one point. One four nine points per possession to marshall one point three seven five two akron one point two one four two bowling green and then one point five one to ball state so this is a situation where they shot really well offensively which is unexpected. But also they picked up their intensity a little bit on the defensive side and when you lose a big scorer not only do you wanna look at unders because it could hurt the team offensively but also they're going to realize that they need to give a little bit more effort in every facet of the game so defensively ohio. I would think should get a little bit better compared to their previous few data points. So that's a situation to me where you start looking at for a team like that. Not only with the loss of a scorer but also because they're going to have to compensate on the other end of the floor because they're just not going to be as dynamic offensively. Yeah i think that ohio had some bad luck on defense so far this year so i think unders would make some sense. I don't think there are better defensive team without him in there. But i think like you said They know that they can't be as efficient on offense without him so you would think that they would put a lot of effort into the defensive end ball state not one of the best offenses in the mac so they will give up points to some of the better offense as they're in the mac Ohio wanders could have value in some of the games going four. We'll see how long preston's out Definitely a key entry now. Something that Maybe we should have found time to get to a little bit earlier in the season but at least now that we're in conference play. It's it's pretty good to look at these things. There are several teams that have switched conferences for this season. A lot of them pretty far under the radar as well. So that's very interesting thing here this year because you didn't get a lotta non-conference data points you're getting a lot of conference games. There's a lot of familiarity generally between those teams that already play two maybe three times in a season if they run into each other in the conference tournament some teams will play other teams four times this year. A with the different schedule and all of that. So that's kind of interesting. You've got some conference newcomers here that you know maybe worth keeping an eye on for for some adding value. Yeah we'll start with the big win. Yukon goes from a c. Back to the big east big east is really good. Yukons defense is very good. Can their offense be good enough to play with the better teams in this conference. I think that's really the question. Here will see as we go forward about yukon yukon is going to be really scrappy on defense Very good coach. As far as on the defensive end in hurley so i think yukon unders would make some sense as we go forward. I don't know that they're going to be able to score as much as some of the best teams especially efficiency wise Just run through several these hero. Quick i worked okay Njit leaves the ace on. Goes the america east. I'll be honest. Njit's team i don't know quite as well as some of these others. The asana conference that. I don't consider myself a specialist and quite as much as some of the others they weren't even lined until a couple years ago so I've taken a real close look at the big south here in the last couple years but the sun is one that i i don't feel like i know quite as well america east they go to It sets up for some interesting spots because njit goes would Conference that is a lot different than the atlantic sun. I think the american east has a lot of low scoring games. Njit probably wants to play faster than a lot of those teams do. So we'll see what kind of totals they have their. But robert morris goes from the northeast conference sewer to the horizon. Think they have a good coach. O'toole robert morris a team that had a lot bigger basketball budget and the others and the northeast conference so it makes sense for them to go somewhere else. However you have to say that robert morris isn't terribly close to a lot of these other places in the horizon league so this sets up for a interesting scheduling spot For quite a few games there in that conference cal state bakersfield leaves the whack The wax really a mess right now goes to the big west very slow place. T pace team Pretty talented team. That traps a lot. force a bunch of turnovers. They have a really unique style in that They kinda use that jump. Defense where team gets past half court trap everything that they can lead to a lot of fouls it also leads a of turnovers and run outs. If they don't get quick score and transition bakersfield will hold the ball the entire clock. So you're going to get a lot of low scoring games with them but you could be pretty frustrated. You take a low under because that's going to be a lot of free throws so a bakersfield is a unique team to handicap Should be some good spots. There think bakersfield could do pretty well. Ats this year. I think they're well coached team. Um kc goes the summit league slower paced by far and far worse on offense better on defense and most team in the summit. I think this is an interesting one. Because um casey should have some lower scoring games than most the teams in this league. We've talked about in the past. The summit league is one that i know really well and no one plays defense in this league. They all play quick. They all shoot really well from three. Um casey is different than the rest of those teams. So i think you could have some value betting on them as an underdog or betting unders with them against certain teams because. Um case is not the same team as a lot of those teams in that league. So i think one that is so unique from the rest of them Stands out could give you some bedding and one other one. Purdue fort wayne goes from the summit to the horizon couple of the interesting ones there. You know with the wax sort of losing a couple of teams. I think these are two really important ones to key in on especially bakersfield because they play that unique style of defense and i sort of wonder for them believe. Correct me if i'm wrong. The big west is another one of those conferences. Playing the back to backs may not be back to back days where you're playing the same opponent consecutive games. So i think will be really interesting to see is how bakersfield does in the first game compared to the second game because this is a much different style than anything that the teams in the big west are accustomed to so you see it in that first game might catch you off guard kind of shock you a little bit. Maybe for the second game. The better coach teams will be able to make an adjustment. So i sort of wonder about that for bakersfield as we go forward here of a team that maybe you play them. The first time a team sees them and then either fade them or just kind of sit on the sidelines for that second game. Yeah i think that's a really good point if you have a well coached team and you made that point. And that's really important because not all teams will adjust very well especially if it's back to back days or only one day in between but if you have a well coached team bakersfield is gonna be playing a lot different style than what most of these teams are used to. In that first game it could catch him off guard a lot more once. You have film to watch your own guys against that defense. It's a lot easier to make adjustments. So i think that's a really good point and something we should Follow up on here. We go throughout the year. And i will say. I'm gonna tease this for next week. I want to say that. I really wanna talk about those back to backs quite a bit because there have been some really Really big changes from day to day. army beats colgate one. Oh one fifty seven. I believe loss to the next day and a real close game Oakland beat right state. Ninety two fifty one and then loses eighty two to seventy two the next day. These back to backs are some really wacky handicaps. So i want us to follow up on that quite a bit here next week. I think we definitely should looking specifically bakersfield here. They actually lost a long beach. State in overtime. Ninety two eighty nine on friday last week came back and won by thirteen the next day. Big differences long beach state was twelve of twenty five from three in the first game. Seven of twenty in the second game. So we've also talked about that too if you have this outlet shooting performance or something like that. That's something that you know. You may want to look to play on or against in the next game depending on. What the outlier actually was. Bigger gets cal poly on friday and saturday. One other thing about bakersfield here. That i'm looking at as i look statistical profile. They attacked the offensive glass really well. That's another thing out in the big west you don't really get a lot of great offensive rebounding teams from what i remember so bakersfield is going to be a bit full for a lot of these teams. I think yeah. They definitely attacked offensive glass every year. They're going to get to the line a lot because the second chance. They're also going to send the other team to the line a lot because of the way they trap so a really interesting andy capp and a team. That will probably find their way onto our game previews as we go throughout the season. I love it man. I love when we look under the radar teams and try to find some angles for people out there and again you know. Pay attention to that saturday. Set with cal poly. Maybe you get an opportunity to either play on or against bakersfield here coming up this weekend. We had a couple of tempo changes to bring to the forefront here. And one that we're gonna hit on and one that. I think we're probably going to go a little bit more in detail with. Yeah co gates. I they've only played two games Very fast against army. I know army place fast but if you go back and look at last year Colgate didn't play nearly as fast against army last year's what they did this year. So it's gonna be interesting to see colgate wants to keep this up. Fourteen point three seconds per possession about three seconds faster than last year. Evansville is the other team lick lighter in his full season here. First full season mccarty started last year. Evansville wanted to play fast later. I know said at some point last year You know this is hard for me because this isn't exactly the style that i usually play. And we're changing in the middle of the season. Now they're playing what he wants to do. Twenty point four seconds per possession. The second slowest in the country so far this year evansville plays very slowly. They will continue to do so. Yeah in evansville fascinating. You sent this to me in the notes. And i certainly a little bit of a deeper dive on the aces here and first of all they have one outlier performance with eighty four possessions. It was a double overtime game against. Ut martin so don't let that one factor too much in your handicap at all or at least put the qualifier on it that they did play two extra periods there in that one evansville shoots at three hundred fifty four percent of their field goal attempts. So they're slow as hell. They take a toddler threes and they don't get many offensive rebounds. This is a team that last year when all and nineteen in the missouri valley conference they lost all eighteen regular season games and lost a valpo in the conference title game. They're three and one to start. Nbc play here so far. Yeah i mean this. This is a team that is going to be pretty high variance for a team. The ass Such low possessions. Because how much. They're shooting the three right because you usually would say a team. That's playing that slowly. You could kind of know what to expect. More evansville will be difficult. I think them as an underdog and a decent underdog role Could be good bet. I do think that evansville could be a little bit overvalued off those wins against northern iowa. Because i don't think northern. I was as good as most people think they are right now. So we'll revisit evansville as well but Fascinating team in that. They're so unique compared to other teams their first game against northern iowa. On saturday they were eleven. Thirty three from three northern iowa was oh for eleven and they won the game by four which. I don't know how you outscore a team by thirty three points on threes and only win the game by four. That would have been one of those spots that we would have absolutely looked at to fade evansville the next day and they beat northern iowa by six the next day so it was one. That didn't work out. But it again illustrates what we're kind of looking for here in these back-to-back situations yeah. I mean these back to backs. You're looking for outliers like adams said you wanna find something that that really stands out You think it would be hard for them to do again and obviously sometimes they will do it again. But you're looking for that little bit of an edge. And i think that does give you the chance to to find some of those and you won't find that in every game but there's going to be enough these back to back so you'll find quite a few of them our it's river regression kid here and in fact it's one of the teams that changed conferences. Here fort wayne the mastodons going from the summit to the horizon league. You're looking at them as a regression candidates this week. Yeah their fifth in the nation in effective field. Goal percentage offense. They were one hundred and eighty fifth last year. They were good a couple of years ago. top fifteen. I don't think though that they have the guys that they should be fifth. This year They're fifty nine and a half percent from two point range. The other thing that stands out to me. They're about to play a lot. Better defensive teams in this new conference. And i mean they they leave conference. That was terrible and defense and go to a conference citizens least better on defense so think fort wayne will not continue this offense. They've done so far this year i would like to play some unders with them or maybe bet against them. Yeah it's definitely when you want to take a look at their and again that conference change. You know like you said i mean. They don't play anybody that plays defense in the summit. Now they're in the horizon where some of those teams and. i know that you've got. It's like oakland that mean. They don't play good defense. They'll kind of go up and on the floor with you but right state tends to be a pretty slow team northern kentucky they're usually average to below average tempo definitely a different kind of environment for them. And furthermore you know keep in mind too that when you start making these tempo changes or in this case you make a conference change. Fort wayne can't outscore the opposition because there are a lot of possessions in the summit league games that may not be the case here in the horizon league so definitely a very important one to keep an eye on one other one. I wanted to mention here that kind of talk with you about a little bit before the show southern illinois is shooting forty two percent from three another one of these teams in the missouri valley that off to a good start shooting threes. They don't take nearly as many of them as evansville does but there are also similarly bad on the offensive glass. I feel like southern illinois. Maybe a team. That's kinda do for some aggression. As well i think so too i think southern illinois team might wanna bet against the unders with They had that nice win over butler but butlers really not very good you know. So we know that is playing without a couple of their best players and I would be careful to read too much of that game. So i think southern illinois is a team that can't keep up that kind of shooting and southern illinois usually wants to play pretty slowly especially once you get nbc play. Not many teams are going to play fast there so i think unders- or betting against them as a good look. I talked about fort. Wayne and southern illinois is regression candidates. Here what about some faith teams teams. You are actively looking to bet against over the next little while and are these short-term or long-term fades navy's i five and one ats. Ken pomeroy has the team as the luckiest team in college. Hoops so far this year and it isn't even close They're better than last year. But they're not this much better. I think they could be a good short term fade because this navy team is going to be pretty respected in the in the Marketplace at this point. I think that they overall will probably be above five hundred eighty s this year. But i think at five in one. Ats right now. You're going to catch some good numbers to go against them. So that's a team that i'd like to go against one more that i want to go against grand canyon six. Ats so far this year. They're on a cova pause right now. I like this grand canyon team. But i think there's going to be a good short term fate opportunity. They can't keep covering every number. And then those first games back after the covid pause could be some good fade spots Against grand canyon. Something to keep in mind here with navy. They play again until january sixteenth. So they'll go thirteen days between games. They win a month between playing. Georgetown and bucknell beat bucknell twice but the bison are not the team that we're used to seeing the team that generally wins. The conference goes to the ncaa tournament. This is not a good bucknell team. And that's something important to you. Mention southern illinois win over butler. I mentioned navy beating bucknell a couple of times. Don't just assume that because you know these names that these teams are as good as they've been in the past because sometimes they're just not so again. You may get that name win but that team may be having a down year or a few years to the point where you don't want to over value what that went actually means right and that's something that people that don't pay as much attention to college basketball could certainly do they. They remember what they Saul from a year or two ago. A team like bucknell was a team. That's been in the ncaa tournament several times. They're not the same team. They were then all right so we talked about a couple of fame teams. Is there anybody in the country that you're looking to play on right now. So stephen f. austin there one in three eighty s. I still think they probably have the most talented team in this league or at least second knows. They can't keep turning it over to thirty percent clip all year long. They turned it over a lot. Non conference play. I think this is a good bilo for stephen f. austin also think they're good long-term team to follow because i do think they'll do very well in the southland conference all right so we look at a few games here to wrap up this edition of. Ats radio and we start with one. On tuesday night here between uconn and marquette a yukon team that we just talked about making that switch from the to the big east conference. What is it about this tuesday night game. You're kind of looking at you. Cons a lot better on defense than they are on offense. Like i mentioned before and marquette's team that's much different than last year. They had howard last year. They played quickly now. Marquette slowed things down a lot there at least as good on defensive. Not better than what they were last year. They're not as good on offense and they're playing far slower. So i think this marquette team is a good team to unders with here and ken pomeroy. Has this number at one thirty nine. I'm not sure what bart torbay has us. When at one forty one. I was gonna say i'm hoping it's higher than one thirty nine because i think that seems a little bit low. Hope for one forty year better in this one. I think it's one forty. You're better this will be a premium play if it's under that. I'm not sure. I got to look at this game a little bit closer to me marquette's a good under team and long-term gonna wanna bet unders with marquette yukon general. Also a team that. I'd rather be understood over swift because i think there'll be any efficient on offense and they'll be very good on defense so this is a good match up in that both teams are Very scrappy teams. I think both teams are pretty. Well coached as well As far as the side. I don't really have any strong. Lean in this one. I think this will tell us quite a bit about both teams because these teams are pretty even teams. In my opinion. You know yukon. We don't know as much what they are. They haven't played as many games marquette. I feel like. I have a pretty good idea what they are. Maybe there are ceilings. Not quite as high without marcus. Howard but you could argue that They've been better on defense than they take care of the basketball. Well they don't get to the line years much. Because howard got to the line so much. But i think this is a good under look here uconn and marquette and hopefully we get one forty or better in this one. There's one game that. I wanna touch on for tuesday night and i know i gave you a lot. Of flack quite frankly gave you a lotta shit for the college football games that you would watch. Sometimes the really bad ones tuesday night. Holy cross is at bu at boston. University both of these teams starting their seasons on monday. Interestingly enough b you will be wearing masks for their game against holy cross on the road when holy cross goes to be you tomorrow night. Holy cross will have to wear masks so be wearing them all year long as they play and teams that play on the boston. University campus will have to wear them so. I think that's kind of a weird back to back here. Where be he was going to play. The game wearing the mass holy cross will have to put them on tomorrow to play and of course it's a back to back with some of those outliers so maybe a betting opportunity here You know based on what happens tonight. And also just based on the uniqueness of the situation between holy cross and be you. Yeah i mean for a second while you were talking. I saw a great opportunity to really give you time because know of all the games that you gave me shit about. You're going to bring up this. But i have to say i didn't know that and i think that's a really good point so because it's so unique from anything else i. I really don't know how that will work into a handicap. That seems like it's going to be a very unique situation. So i'm very curious to see how the first game will go. And then maybe we get an outlier there and there's a good bed in the second game but Right now. I don't know what to think of that game but after the first one You know it'd be interesting to see if there's if there's a big outlier and then maybe there's some value in that next game and maybe it's something with a home at home where be used going to be wearing the masks all year teams that go to be. You have to wear them if there's another home at home situation against small data points. Maybe you don't wanna take too much out of it but still a very weird situation. One other demoted to ask you about them. We'll get your friday game. Greensboro and wofford plan wednesday night. That's a real interesting game. Wofford number one in the country in terms of three point rate. Almost fifty nine percent of their shots have been threes. They've done very well. Around thirty eight percent there are also a very good team on two pointers greensboro. More of a defense. I type of team. That's kind of one of those maybe not pace wars but certainly a stylistic dichotomy game there on wednesday night yeah these two teams don't like each other very much. They've played some really good games against each other. There was a double overtime game last year. Greensboro at wofford. Wofford won that game. You know i'm disappointed. How greensboro has played so far this year. And i still think they could be a good bilo candidates and maybe should be one of the follow teams as well. I'm not sure what to think about this game though. Wofford's very efficient on offense Shoot it really well from long range. They're gonna take a lot of high quality shots. i think. Greensboro is a team. That i'd like to back in general but i don't know what i want to do with this game. I think i would probably lean under anything. Are the other game that you had listed in the notes here for friday we go back to the big west and we talk about the big west a lot on this show but there does seem to be some significant value in this conference here and this is a friday night. Matchup between uc davis and uc. Irvine davis is coming off a really large break here. The last time they played while they played idaho state on november twenty eight. they played william jessop Not familiar with william jessop. I don't know that very many people would be. But that's that was their last game. That was on december fourth. So you have a break of over a month. There was a covid pause. Here in the neigh- didn't really have very many games scheduled in that time anyways but Really really tough. Spot here for davis. I know that ken problem. Ken pomeroy has this minus six. I hope we get minus six. I have a feeling we probably won't. I think it'll probably be bigger than this The oddsmakers do know that this first game after a break is not a good thing. So i don't think you're going to get any great values and look to find something like four and a half or five in this game if you did be really good play I like irvine in this. One irvine is pretty battle-tested. They played a really good schedule so far this year. San diego state. Usc uc santa barbara. The team that they they won back to back in that really pretty impressive back to back wins over a team that should be one of the best teams in the big west so irvine team. That's always really good. Defensively davis attainments really. Good offensively usually so Clashing styles there to go back to last year Irvine one at davis by fifteen It looks like they won. They won by eleven. Wants and then fifteen the other time. I would think that this line will come out bigger than six. Do you know what offhand. What tour big has here. Torbay has at nine point seven. Hey damn yeah minus. Six is not going to happen Hopefully seven or seven and a half or something like that. The oddsmakers sure. Like to use ken ponroy. So hopefully they just put palm noise number on this one. But i i like irvine in this one. I think laying the points. Good way to look in this one. What if nothing else our listeners. Keep an eye out for that. One with the overnights on thursday where information comes out. Seven seven and a half. Get it quick because it's probably going to go up for the reasons that you mentioned especially that covid pause hundred professional handicapper and better over at hunter sports picks dot com. 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Ohio State vs. Alabama & College Basketball Betting Tips with Kyle Hunter January 11, 2021

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Ohio State vs. Alabama & College Basketball Betting Tips with Kyle Hunter January 11, 2021

"Hello again for joining me here on this monday january eleventh edition of ats radio. I'm your host edinburgh joined today by professional better and handicapper. Kyle hunter from hunters. Sports picks dot com. We'll talk about tonight's national championship. Game between ohio state and alabama. Give you a couple of pets that we like four. The game talk about some of the pro betting strategies that will look to employ as we get some more time to go through these things and hopefully as more of these odds are posted. Then the second part of today's show. We'll talk all things college basketball covering some injuries. Some regression signs fade follow teams. Some games for this week. Lots of good stuff coming your way here on today's program just like there's lots of good stuff happening over at. Ats dot io right now. Opening line report up. Four in the divisional round of the nfl playoffs. I got that posted this morning. Got some thoughts on some player props for ohio state and alabama one article for each team. Those went up yesterday at the website. Got some nhl stuff for you as well. The first nhl situational betting articles and some division futures stuff over at the website with the nhl season beginning here on wednesday night to go along with all the great work. The rest of the staff does covering the nfl playoffs covering the national championship game covering the nba and college basketball. I of find everything that you could possibly need over at eighty s dot. Io and by extension. You'll find everything you need any ats app as well. But you can download into google play store or in the apple store. Full article integration from the website. It's a bet tracker. It's an odd screen statistical database in there that will help you handicap the games. 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Now when you click on the button whether you have an android device or an ios device it will take you right to that spot in the store that he can go ahead and download that what that we bring on. Today's guests that is professional. Better in handicapper kyle hunter from one hundred. Sports picks dot com and. How's it going today. Man going all right man a new week Had a really bad weekend on my play. So that sucked took some really bad beads. The closing line value didn't end up with the winners. And as you know. I i take pretty hard because i want my clients to win Pretty badly so little bit of a rough weekend certainly but it's a brand new week and tried to turn over that page while it you know. It's important to keep in mind. And i know you know this. And it's it's definitely easier said than done in a lot of ways but for the listeners. That are out there whether they're subscribers of yours or whether there are people that are in the same boat beating the closing number getting a lot of closing line value. And the game's not working out. Frankly that's all that we can do. All we can do is get the best of the number that we possibly can hope. The game works out the way we expected to hope. The game works out in our favor but all we can really control is getting the best of that number and it is the best indicator we have of long term success and you have been a long term successful handicapper across multiple sports including your market entry points. We've got a lot of closing line values. So i have no doubts. It will turn around for you and for any of our listeners. That are in the same boat. It's the most important thing you can do here in this industry. Joe people are going to say it's to pick winners. Yeah we all want to do that. But the best thing you can do is get the best of the number and give yourself the best chance and hope that it works out. Sometimes it will. Sometimes it wall. But i know how hard you work at this and i also know how good you are for market entry standpoint dead. It'll turn around and it'll turn around very soon. Well i appreciate that. And i do agree. You know. i'm not worried about the long run. I worry more about the the people who buy in for the short term and and You know they catch the really bad weekend and stuff like that but We know that that's part of it. You know this not Without risk and and it is gambling still so you know if you get the best in the number and have five or six picks and you have to underscore into overtime and lose like that or you take an underdog that goes into overtime and doesn't cover I've had a lot of that this year. I haven't won a game in overtime this year and have one of lost a couple underdogs in overtime and three or four under. So tell you. What whenever i win and an over and over time. I'm going to have a little bit of a party I think that's It's i'm overdue. Nine gets definitely true. I mean you know somebody who i greatly respect in the nhl markets one of the sharpest really handicappers across the board handicappers and betters. Couple years ago in the nhl he lost like every shootout every overtime and shootout game. And it's like you know what i don't. What am i supposed to do about that like you know. There's nothing you can really do about that. Especially if you have to try to win a game twice you get that under. That's there in regulation and then you've got gotta hope that overtime is boring and nothing really happens. It's a very challenging thing. But again this is also it not to go too far down the rabbit hole or get off on a tangent here but you know as you mentioned you know you sort of the hot hand theory. When it comes to people buying picks from professional handicappers and all of that and i think it's really important reminder that this is a long term business i mean we see all these stories nowadays in the mainstream media on social media of somebody winning this lottery ticket parlay or somebody winning this player prop parlay or game prop parlay or something like that and those things are cool. And congratulations to those people but for every five or ten to get mainstream run there are thousands of them that lose and never come close so this is not a get rich quick business this thing is a grind and you know obviously you and i both know that being in the industry day in and day out but for the listeners out there you're gonna have bad runs or really good runs too but this is not a short term get rich quick scheme in and it really never will. I totally agree with that. And i think that you know. If you're looking for a short term thing i think you only want to see you know. What kind of analysis does this person give you. What kind of you know write ups and and what kind of market entry do they have. Because if you're just looking for a week or a weekend or something like that to see if somebody's good or bad or if you're good or bad at this It's not a sufficient enough honestly even a month isn't really good enough either and You know this is really a long term game and In the long run you're beating the number consistently you're going to do well like you said and You know what we'll have some good runs as well coming up. And i'm just hoping it's pretty soon but i i have to say looking forward to Talk in the college football title game here. And i'm gonna give you mentioned to the browns for their nice win over the steelers last night. I know you had to be pretty excited about that one. That was fun. I you know. I don't know what to do with myself like you and i talked about last week's show with ohio state's win over clemson and how much that for. A variety of different reasons shoved one davos asked with certainly nice and getting revenge from last year's game. And and all that and i greatly enjoyed watching that semifinal game and then there were some points of puckering. I promise you that but you know for the browns to finally win a playoff game and to do it over pittsburgh and do it. I mean there were no fans there but also to do it. You in a place where they hadn't won in seventeen years or whatever it was it was fun. It was just such a breath of fresh air. It's just. I don't know we'll see what happens tonight. I maybe the universe has to correct itself the buckeyes they're gonna lose by seventy but i don't know man. It was fun. And i know a lot of a lot of friends of mine. Phone calls with their with their fathers after the game and their brothers or whatever else and they're playing with house money now so whatever happens here in this game against kansas city. Frankly i'm not worried about it. You know they're free rolling at this point. As far as i'm concerned and they give it their best shot and we'll see what happens there but i will take this one a lot more seriously tonight between ohio state and we don't need to tell people this because most of our listeners have been loyal for a while both are ohio state fans we will have a very vested emotional interest in the buckeyes but we are always impartial with our analysis of ohio. State here on the show in fact the point last week where i said i liked alabama in the game. That was around eight and a half. Now we're at pretty much nine across the board here kyle. And interestingly enough the totals moving down you can even find some seventy four hours in the global. market watt. seventy four and a half and seventy five out there so the influential betters like the under and it seems like more of the money still on the alabama side. Yeah as far as This game. I have to say that you know as far as making any kind of big wagers or anything to try to finish off the season with a bang. I think you should do it on the game. Line or the total year This is really a sharp number. I'm going to have to leans in this game. I'm gonna lean ohio state. And i'm going to lean over the total. I know that you should like the onder and a title game like this. And i think that some professional bettors just gonna take the under because you have to take under seventy six or something like that but this is the number one and number two offense in terms of viciously in the country. And i'm not sure who's gonna get stops here. You know. I mean who's going to come up with the big stop like i said i'm not running to bed and over at this kind of but i think there's going to be a lot of big plays in this when we know bama's a big play offense and ohio state has twenty eight plays of thirty yards or more in seven games so ohio state is definitely a big play offense. In fact per game they have more big plays than than does alabama so I think there's going to be a lot of explosive. Plays in this game as far as my lean here on the side. i'm gonna lean ohio state. i know. I said last week My initial thought was to lean to alabama. Wouldn't say i've switched that much because it was a slight lean in both direction Last week toward alabama and this week toward ohio state. I think that this kind of profiles a game. That's a a high scoring game that's back and forth and the question is whether ohio state can keep up. Because i don't think either one of us think that ohio state's gonna shut down. Bama in any kind of way so i think alabama's gonna score their points. The question is do you think ohio state can be able to score quite a few and so long as covert is an issue and justin fields as healthy and i will say i think that's the single biggest thing that makes me a bit worried about leaning is eight here is that there are more unknowns with ohio state than there are with alabama but i feel like ohio state if they play anywhere close to that level was against clemson plus nine is pretty pretty high price point for state. I mean you know the initial thought process for me and looking at the alabama side of things was this line open in that seven seven and a half ranch state and clemson was and i understand you have to give ohio state some credit. Not just for beating clemson but the manner in which they did now also to yet to factor in the justin fields would not be one hundred percent for this game. Seems like he's okay from everything that we've seen in red. Maybe that's some gamesmanship. Maybe it's not. I don't know. But like i talked about. I had alabama minus eleven and a half in advance of the semifinals if they played ohio state so to me. The line overcorrected a little bit. So i liked alabama eight cheap eight and a half something like that. Now that we're at nine. i still lean alabama. But it's not anything where. I'm going to go hog wild. Do anything super in that situation. What thing i will say about the total here that i think is very interesting. Is that the full game has come down as we said. Already from seventy six into that seventy four and a half ranch. The first half total has not. that's still sits at thirty eight. There's been no indication of any sort of under money that has come in from influential betters. That ship the market. This makes a lot of sense to me. Because when you look at alabama specifically look what they did in the rose bowl they got ahead they got their burst and they just kind of sat on it you know. They played keep away. They didn't show ohio state. Anything for the buckeyes to prep for here for the of course. I'm sure they thought they'd be facing clemson. But they didn't tip their hands at all in the second half really. They didn't do a whole lot. Offensive is a very boring second half in the rose bowl up until the point spread drama at the end of the game. So i think there's an element of that. Where if alabama has the lead and they certainly could as implied by this spread. They will sit on it. And the half and it's going to be very hard for ohio state to get stops and get off the field with alabama probably moving five or six yards of time. State has the lead. Then do we to see a steady diet of sermon or of teague. If he's actually able to play in this game do the buckeyes. Just play very risk. Averse go into a shell themselves and just try and maintain and control the clock because they don't want their defense out there against alabama. So i think that's a really interesting little side plot here from a betting standpoint is the first half total has not moved the full game total has and usually we will see those move in concert just what they kind of line out there in the marketplace but i think there is a sentiment out there that the first half will be higher scoring than the second half. I think it's a fair assessment to make. I like over thirty eight from the first half. But i wouldn't touch the full game price. Yeah i agree with that. I think that makes a lotta sense. Also if you look at the side for the first half. It opened bama minus four. There are a lot of five and a half jews. Even a couple of six is out there for bama laying in the first half Alabama has been a really good first half team for a long time now. This has been a team. That's covered first half numbers where it's hard for the oddsmakers. Even keep up. I think if i were taking a half i would lean alabama here. Ohio state has been a pretty good second half team in general alabama. You know if alabama does get ahead. there's certainly the possibility of back door cover for ohio state. Here 'cause they they should be able to move the football and like you said. I do think The first half over. I like a little bit more than the full game over. There are a couple of thirty seven and a half their juice. Pretty heavily You know on the first half total thirty eight you can get fair juice Certainly so i think over in the first half makes a lot of sense. And i do think i like that a little bit better than the full game over like i said i do. Lean to the full game over as well but You know. I think that this is a game. Where alabama's proven how consistently good they are and that's why they deserve to be the favourite that they are because they've been very good every single game i estate has been really good and one game and that was against clemson. Are we sure that they're gonna put up that kind of effort again. If they do. This is going to be a really good game We're not sure if they're going to not as buckeye fans. I hope we don't see the the team that showed up in the northwestern game instead of the one that showed up in the clinton game and the last thing. I'll say here at least as far as sidon total. Go for this. We'll get into a couple of the player props in each one of us. Like ohio state was rumored to have covid issues. That was something that was all over social media last week. We know that. Nick simmons daughter kristin wound up having to you know walk back a tweet and delete it and all of that. We saw ohio state rule. Some guys out because of kobe prior to the sugar bowl against clemson and it was basically day of the game news. Pretty pretty much. What our to before the game about. Who was going to be out for ohio state so that will be an interesting development here to fall throughout the day. I'll try to get. This show turned around as quickly as i possibly can. But if ohio state did infact have these covert issues. There's sure as hell not going to let anything out until they absolutely have to. So that could be a factor here as well in this game of if the kobe issues are true for the buckeyes. Who won't they have. Will it be doing impact skill guy. Will it be sunny offensive line. We'll be somebody on defense. Where defense isn't good to begin with. It's okay it's not great you know. Will it be somebody who's a key person on the defensive side which would be very bad against it seemed like alabama. So there's also that where we'll see a lot of money come in on this game once. We're sure of ohio state stands for mclovin standpoint. And if you start to see some sort of line move that triggers alarm bells. Make sure you're checking the news cycle because it may have something to do with that. Yeah there are quite a few rumors out there as far as who could be missing this game for ohio state. it looks like my in williams the backup running back. We'll miss this game. And i'm reading quite a bit. That tyreek smith will probably miss this game as well Nothing confirmed so i. I don't wanna say that's for sure. But i don't know that ohio states going to be missing a lot of guys you know. Hopefully it's not a bunch of key guys. That could really change the game. I as a fan of ohio state and the fan of college football. It'd be nice to see these teams as close to full strength as possible so that we get a good finally here. Yeah absolutely definitely looking forward to that. Hopefully we get a great game tonight and hopefully we get some winters here. What taking a look at these player props said before we discussed the ones that we specifically. There are two very important concepts when it comes to player and game props the first is you have to shop around for the best lines. I saw i wrote about this yesterday. At ao there was a nineteen yard. Middle between what draftkings had 'em gm and points bed had in terms of justin fields passing yards to ninety and a half at gm in points but three oh nine and a half at draftkings. It was a fifteen yard gap between mack jones at bed. Mgm and draftkings three sixty five and a half to three eighty and a half so this is very important. You have to get the best line that you possibly can. Why would you wanna bet over three. Oh nine point five when you bet over to ninety point five somewhere else and the second thing is not only the line itself but also looking at the big or the juice or whatever you wanna call it here because all of these sports books will have something different. Based on what their books look like. Based on what you're their risk tolerances for example the point spec player props were juiced minus one fifteen on both sides pretty much across the board bet. Mgm was minus one ten on both sides across the board. So your break. Even percentage at minus one ten fifty two point three eight percent at minus one fifteen fifty three point four nine percent. That's why the vig matters. You really have to win an extra bet out of every hundred laying minus one fifteen instead of minus one ten so it is critically important to find the best line and the best that you can find and that may mean having multiple sportsbook accounts at your disposal. Yeah it's never more important to shop around. When you're you're betting on these props and you know i was just kind of as you were talking looking down through these points. Bet numbers There's a lot of differences from draft kingsholm. Point spread across the board as far as the rushing receiving totals. Things like that. Like you said. I mean you get a nineteen yard difference It's very likely that they could fall in that middle. That's a that such a wide range. You definitely don't wanna take that kind of loss when you could have gotten a win one way or the other. So it's it's well worth it to shop around and You know it also it also depends on what you think. The game states going to be right. So if you think alabama's gonna be ahead and trying to not clock or something like that. That should change the way you want to bet on a prop. If you think it's going to be back and forth all the way That changes how many Passes each team's gonna put probably as compared to one team will be throwing them. One team will be running all the time so Definitely really important shop around. Yeah absolutely game. State is important kind playing out. You know not even just how you think the game will go but what you think the offensive game plan will be you know. We talked about this last week. A little bit with brad powers in the sense that you know for alabama here the best part of ohio. State's defense is the defensive line so running it right at them with nausea harris. Maybe not the smartest thing to do. So maybe play like nausea harris winds up being more in the passing game. Something like that or you. Start looking at ohio state. A love is going to get a ton of attention. Does that open something up for other people like a garrett wilson for example who only had five catches in era had two catches in the game against clemson. He was not used. Really at all for the buckeyes in that game. Maybe this is the kind of game where they use him because they get so much attention. So those are the different kinds of things. I'm looking at for example. Garrett wilson receiving yards seventy and a half was painted pretty much across the market yesterday. When i looked at this. i'll take a look at the updated numbers now. But you know when you look at somebody like that. Like garrett wilson c. Thirty up to seventy four and a half at draft kings. That's probably because if i'm handicapping this game trying to figure out what's going to happen here i'm thinking gets a ton of attention bracket coverage double coverage over the top. Something like that that probably opens up a guy like garrett wilson still seventy and a half bed. Mgm so a four yard difference. Then take the best over line. Take the best underline. These are commonsense things but people don't really think about them with how overwhelming some of these games are. that's kind of my thought process of the alabama. Pull a check and try to take one guy away if they do. It's probably a lovey. That creates opportunities for other players. Agree i think that You know ave is clearly the best receiver for ohio state. We saw how much they miss him when he was out of the game. He's the big play guy. It seems like he's the one that fields wants to look for on those third downs. Things like that but bama's going to be prepping for that and you would think as many receiving options. Ohio state does have you. Maybe you wanna look for for wilson wine or maybe you wanna look at record. I think record has really been a a nice addition to the offense I noticed the differences for his numbers to some of them. Forty one and a half points bet as low as thirty five and a half on route gathered over yards. I think over thirty five and a half so pretty good number actually. So what's one that you're looking at. I mentioned garrett wilson over seventy and a half receiving yards. Maybe you'll find some reception props that are out there. Draft kings got and shit. Where is it here. I don't know five and a half you know if you think wilson's have been focal point here for the ohio state offense over five and a half makes some sense. Furthermore like we talked about a game state. Thing if the buckeyes are trailing in the second half and half to throw this game or wilson winds up with eleven or twelve targets. You know something like that. It all depends on how you expect the game to go and there are a lot of different ways to attack it. So what was the player profit. You're looking at here for tonight. So give one on each side. Ohio state. I'm gonna take traits sermon over rushing and receiving yards combined this draft kings at one thirty four and a half I haven't seen this one at other places. So if if there are other numbers I don't know of them yet. But most most places just have rushing yards. Draft has over one thirty four and a half for rushing and receiving yards combined. I'm gonna take the rushing and receiving yards combined. I do think rushing yards over ninety nine and a half as a decent play as well. I like rushing and receiving yards slightly. Better because i think ohio state trailing in this game sermon has shown himself to be a pretty good back out of the backfield. catching the football in justin fields may need to get rid of the football. Pretty quickly here. I think alabama will bring a lot of pressure in this game. Why states offensive line has been really good blocking in the run game but they have given up a lot of sacks and i think one knock on justin fields is that he can hold the football long time and if he does hold the football longtime and eats the dump it off to somebody. I think Sermon as a good option there. So sermon has been really good. Alabama i think you can run on them. Some and ohio state's offensive line is a very good offensive line in the rushing game so undertake trace arm in rushing and receiving yards over the total. I like that one. I mean he has to be a big focal point of this offense and and also too i mean. I think it was surprising. How many shots. Ohio state took in the middle of the field. They were on the fifty and and they took some deep shots. I don't know if those guys are running free against alabama. I mean it certainly a possibility. Clemson's defense was down a bit this year. You know just years in a row of losing a bunch of nfl caliber talent finally caught up with them to a degree. I don't know if guys like a lava or williams run free way down the field. So no maybe sermon. Is that safety valve. Is that dump off option. And also too i saw dylan. Moses was hobbling around going into the stadium. i don't think he played against notre dame freshman safety for alabama's heard as well so there are some guys in the middle of the field. Were ohio state may find that they have some mismatches. And may end up liking sermon as both a running back and also received the backfield. Yeah absolutely i think sermon should get plenty of chances. And we've talked about this off air in on the air that sermon Coming on as really made this. Ohio state offense different you know teague was not You know up to the level that a lot of ohio state running back so then sermon has been tremendous here. And it's really added a lot. This offense i think that You know they have to make him a big part of this game plan if they want to have any chance here Do you want me to go ahead. And give my alabama when now to go for. So i'm gonna go with Jalil billingsley over receiving yards. Now as you were talking earlier in mentioned points battle at that points bet Over forty one and a half minus one fifteen there um draft kings over forty four and a half minus one. Oh eight yeah minus one. Oh eight You could argue on which one has better value. I would think over forty one and a half minus one fifteen a better play because three yards is a pretty decent difference when you're talking about that small yardage number so if you have points bad as an option i would take over. Forty one and a half draft kings is going to be more widely available. So i'll say forty four and a half over for jalil. Bill billingsley i think that ohio states weakness on defense. We know the secondary's given up a lot of big plays The defensive line is strength. The defense but i really think the linebackers are probably the weakest areas bohio state especially compared to what we're used to seeing from them states usually as really stacked at linebacker. They really don't have very good linebackers now. They're not near as fast as they normally are. Think the middle of the field is a real possibility to be open. here for alabama. Clemson didn't take advantage of that. I think alabama is more likely to be able to take advantage of that. And i think billingsley could really be the recipient of that on the alabama side like that one two bedroom. Gm forty six and a half so forty one and a half points about forty six and a half mgm split down the middle and the forty four and a half ranjit draftkings. That's why it's really important. You know to shop around for these things. You know golly billingsley who may end up being a safety valve something like that you know. A three yard reception is not out of the realm of possibility. That's a position especially being a tight end where those few yards matter. You know a guy like a la vay or devante smith or somebody like that. We may be talking about big place. We're talking about receptions that are thirteen fourteen yards per catch with billingsley. Those little differences do matter. I think a whole lot more. So i do like that when i talked about ohio state. And how slow their linebackers look against the elite skill position talent. That's what they get here in this game. And that would be a big worry for me. And i also think that's something that steve's sarkissian will absolutely have seen during the film study of weakened beat borland and werner in the past. Kim those guys are pretty good. Run stopping linebackers. But chasing dudes around the billingsley who runs a wide receiver and a tight ends body. That's a bit bigger of a problem for them. So i do think. That's one of that. Does make sense there for alabama i mentioned in garrett. Wilson's a big part of the game. I also think and this one's kind of off the beaten path a little bit maybe a good segue in what we talk about from a college basketball standpoint jackson smith ingeba for ohio state. Now he's a freshman and he didn't have a whole lot of catches during the season. In fact he has eight catches for twenty nine yards. His line is ten and a half. You can get this over ten and a half at plus money at draft kings. I've seen at ten and a half regular juice at bedroom. Gm one of those things. Where i try to the mind of ryan day and ryan day had great success using the tight ends in the red zone using the tight ends just outside of the red zone in that game against clemson. That was an adjustment from last season. That clemson didn't see and they clearly weren't ready for it when i think about alabama's preparation for this game. They're looking at alavi. They're looking at wilson. They're trying to figure out how. Stop trae sermon. Now they have this extra wrinkle of worrying about the tight ends which means linebacker or safety help jackson smith and gigolos thought to be one of the better route runners for ohio state. But he's a freshman. He doesn't play every snap. Fields has more of a report with alavi and wilson and some of these other guys but at ten and a half. This kids only got one ball to possibly get over. This and i think there's a very good opportunity with so much attention. Paid the other guys that he will be a player that alabama didn't even acknowledge when it comes to film study so as long as he's playing want to make sure that he's not one of the guys or anything like that. Because i don't think this line is going to go crazy or going to steam at one way or the other but i think this kid jackson smith and jig finds a little spot along the sideline something like that fields has been much better lately about going through his progressions. I think he finds this kid. A couple of times intended to half is is not a high number and all i agree. I like this one. Especially you get the plus money at draftkings. I think that's really nice. You get that. Plus one ten. But smith jake butt is is a good route runner. The coaches have really talked him up a lot He's seen a decent amount of playing time at the end of the season as well. He hasn't gotten a ton of targets. But you would think he might be open in some of these Plays where fields is trying to keep it alive like you said and maybe it just takes that one twelve yard reception or something to keep a drive alive. That gets him over the total here. I think this is a good one. That's kind of under the radar and like you said. Think this one is one where you can wait and see. When they announced about seven o'clock it will be tonight. Seven o'clock eastern as far as who's gonna be out of this game Regarding covid so. I think you can wait on this one but i think this is a nice window take especially if he can get that plus money price. I like it and this is another one too. When you start thinking about game state and and i don't think ohio state necessarily gets their doors blown off in this game but again as we've talked about already the line implies that no probably be trailing at some point in this game and quite possibly trillion the second half if alabama is going to sit back in two deep zone or something like that and just keep everything in front of them feel is going to have to throw and he's probably not going to have the windows to throw alavi and wilson and all that because those guys everybody knows by number that are going to be called out if fields winds up having to throw forty times in this game that he's probably gonna have to find smith and jig butts some point so there's also that element to it to of kind of thinking about the game state sort of thinking about you. Know what ryan day may do to do something differently but also if they have to drop back and throw a whole lot well then smith and was probably a guy that could have some success there in that department so i guess the last thing to mention here is you know. I've called this kind of like a test. Run or sort of a guinea pig for these sports books for the super bowl but really of draft kings. I been very disappointed with the amount of products available in the legal. Us spending market and especially in the global offshore market. Where i remember a year or two ago we talked about probably four hundred or five hundred prop bets. That were available. We didn't cover each one on the show. Obviously but there were over four hundred of these things available and this year. I'm just not seeing it in. It's kind of frustrating and disappointing. Yeah i'm surprised. I'm surprised there's no defensive props up you know. We used to be able to talk about. Who was going to get many tackles. How many tackles for loss. Things like that not available. This year that i've been able to see at all. I'm surprised. I think i'm going to be curious to see what kind of props are available for this weekend's nfl games. Because i hope it's not a sign that there's going to be less props available for the super bowl as well. I assume the super bowl was still have a ton of props. You know that. That's a really big deal. A lot of people at the super bowl props but it is surprising and kind of disappointing. That there aren't more to talk about here. Well an area where we do have a lot to talk about is on the college basketball side as we transition into our handicapping the hardwood segment here. And of course going forward. Maybe we'll talk a little bit of nfl. We'll probably talk some baseball. Once we get into march. And you know all that but going forward we will primarily be college basketball show and early college basketball segment here and there's certainly a lot to talk about what that with everything that's going on here around the country and we'll start as we did last week taking a look at some injuries. Some that people may know about some that people may not know about that. I think we'll have an impact on these games in these teams. I'm gonna start at cow. Matt bradley ankle injury that is coach called pretty serious deal Set out the last couple of games. They keep saying questionable and it gets downgraded the doubtful Cow place the back to back double at outs to this week. So i really wanted to bring this one up because those can be some really tough spots so if cal is without bradley here again this week think they could be a good fade so i want to pay attention to his status. Here's yet later in the week because cow did shoot really well in the last game against washington they were just burying threes. Had the under in that game so not surprising. I guess but without bradley They were able to. Just you know look great on offense washington's not been very good Both teams shot at really well and that one wasn't even a debt that fast pace but they made a lot of shots. Bradley is their best player. Clearly without him. I don't think cows a team that you want any part of bedding. And i think they could be a good fade. Here's we go to the backpack doubled outs too. If he is out. Yes thursday night at colorado saturday at utah so out in salt lake city. And you know we talked about how difficult that is for these college basketball teams to be in some of those back to back altitude spots and stuff like that and the thing about losing a player you know of that caliber and bradley. It's gonna force somebody off the bench. Who doesn't really play a large percentage of the minutes or a couple of somebody's into action to where maybe if they play well on thursday kind of look for that hangover on on saturday. Yeah that's what. I would hope that it'd be nice to see A good effort on thursday and try to go against them on. Saturday saturday's game. That i'd rather bet against them if bradley is going to be out here so we'll we'll see Even if he plays the they could be a good fate especially play well and game one danny pippen at kent state. He's been practicing once a week or so on average because of his knees he's had three knee surgeries already So now he has the back issue as well. He missed last game against western michigan. Kent state won the second half fifty three to twenty seven even without him but western michigan is really bad. I think they have the least amount of any team in the mac. Pippen is a star. And i think can states really gonna need him against quality. Mac teams. Yeah and you look at a player like that and you know something. I really like about the team. Pages over Dot com and and maybe can palm. Does this too. I haven't really looked at closely to see. But you can see the usage rate. The use of usage percentage of the individual players on the team pages and for pippin his usage rate is thirty one percent which is very very high. So a lotta. The offense goes through him when he is out there so that speaks to exactly what you're saying. You know how important he is especially when they're taking on some of the better teams in this conference tuesday night. They play a central michigan. Not a good team at all after that ohio buffalo and toledo all on the road three of the better teams here in this conference. That's where pippins you'll absence or at least limited availability could seriously come into play absolutely and i think the mac is pretty wide open. There are a lot of teams that are fairly even bowling green. Probably the favorite there in the mac but there are several teams. That have a chance there. And the mac and kent state is one of them if pippins healthy. If he's not healthy they won't they won't be one of the teams to beat The last one. I have as far as injuries here. I wanted to mention middle tennessee state. Middle tennessee state is a team. That had six guys out of the lineup. And their last. Couple of games against florida international including schuler and jas johnson dontrelle schuler jas johnson covid related absences Monitor their status for this week's games. Middle tennessee changed their pace drastically while they were shorthanded against fau. This is a team and middle tennessee. State that was playing extremely fast. They're using three or four more seconds per possession in those two games in what they were in the season. And you know it's not because f. I use slowed anything down so middle tennessee state. If these guys continue to be out. I think unders could have value and these middle tennessee. State games middle tennessee. State's opponents are shooting twenty one point three percent from three middle tennessee of bad offensive teams. Taking anybody out of the equation certainly not going to help them. But twenty one point three percent from three gonna feel like maybe in terms of our follow fade segment. I empty s. You could be a little bit of a team here for the next little while i would think so. Yeah i would. I would look either bet against them. More take some unders while those guys are out in the long run maybe middle. Tennessee is a good team to back. Or or play overs with but not with this going on arthur thinking looking at regression candidates here whether these are individual stats or just maybe some teams that you know may kind of fall off the pace a little bit here. I noticed a couple that were kind of interesting. Coastal carolina in seven division one games according to bark topics website bart dot com t. o. r. k. Coastal carolina's now a lotta dunk yet. In the seven games that they've played teams are shooting forty four point four percent of their field goal attempts from outside the arc so i look at coastal carolina. And i kind of wonder you know. How sustainable is this for them. I mean is it about the style of defense that they played that they playing zone where they just don't let people inside and enforce teams to shoot over them. Yeah i want to look into this little bit more. Because i'm really surprised that they would be giving up that many shots like that and nothing by the rim. I don't think in the past. They've been a team that played very much soon. I know cliff ellis and The past that auburn was a guy that would mix end zone. I i don't think. Coastal carolina has played very much. So but i want to look closer at this one. I think that's pretty fascinating stat with not giving a dunk all all that time. I know that they do have a couple of shot. Blockers you know and they have a decent amount of height not a really tall team. But i think honestly to be to be truthful with you. I don't think coastal carolina. Is that good of defense and to me. They're a team. I'd rather take over within an under so actually look at their sunbelt numbers and they're giving up zero point nine six points per possession in the sun belt. I think they'll get worse on defense. So i think they could be a bit of a regression candidate there on defense a couple of other teams that i saw in that same boat As far as not giving up dunks go of vermont and albany well from the america east conference so is just a conference where new. There's not a whole lot of play at the rim. America east is not one of them that i would call myself a great expert on and i've tried to pay more attention to some the smaller conferences than others. I will say that. America east conference. I do think is a conference where there's a lot of threes taken Not very many good offenses in that conference either. So you see a lotta low-scoring games but so surprising to not have given up a dunk in that many games now. What are the ones that you were talking about here. We'll just kind of go back and forth with some of their regression metrics that you know we've each come up with here for today's show i you. Py is a team that you're taking a look at Looking at their defense to regress a little bit. Is it going to go in a positive way or in a negative way. I think it's gonna go in a negative way last year. There were three hundred and forty fourth and defensive efficiency this year the two hundred and eighty seventh and i know that's not good so i'm not trying to say their defense has played really well but last year they forced they force seventeen point one percent of opponents possessions to end in a turnover this year. Twenty three point two percent. I don't think they're playing defense. That's really aggressive or something that's gonna cause that kind of minute. Many turnovers in the long run. So i think their turnover rate is going to get worse and teams are going to shoot a good percentage against than they've proven at time after time that they cannot guard beyond the arc. They give a lot of close twos i think. Upu is defense is going to get worse. So i'd like to fade this team or takeovers with this team. I want to circle back to something that we talked about. A few shows ago Maybe it was a month or so ago. Now you're talking about one of the stats over. it has la- metrics and talking about you know. Shot selection for teams where college basketball is getting more analytical kind of becoming more like the nba a lot of stuff at the rim and a lot of threes. So one thing that. I noticed here southern miss and southern misses. A very you know. They're not a good team this profile. It's not very good. They're also one of the slowest tempo teams in the country. But i found something interesting with them that on close twos per bart torgau basically two pointers at the rim within five feet stuff like that. They are sixty for ninety four on the season which is excellent. But that's only a thousand nine point seven percent share of their field goal attempts and that's the lowest in the nation. So they do well in there but they don't go in there very often. they're very bad. Jump shooting team. So what are you sort of make a situation like that with a team like southern miss off handy. Do you see what What sir rate on. How many threes they've taken let me check that real quick here. They are at thirty two point four percent so they don't take a lot of threes either. Yeah i was gonna say it looks like from low metrics they're taking of mid-range jumpers which to me is the negative. So you're taking a you want. The basically a lot of people are calling it now the the rim in three rate. So you want something at the rim or three point shot They're not good at that so to me. This is an offense. It's gonna continue to struggle. I think that you know The fact they've only taken that many as what really stands out to me as far as close twos you know. It looks like you're actually good at that and you still haven't taken very many to me. It looks like southern miss a team. That is just really weak on offense if you if you look back the last few games against utah the that went into overtime scored sixty points in regulation the next game. Sixty two and sixty and fifty eight. They're pretty consistently bad on offense. So i i continue to think that southern miss could be a good underplay. They could also be a good play against if they're playing a team. That's going to score quite a few points art so let's stay in conference usa. We go from southern miss to you tap and you want to talk about their offense a little bit here. I think their offense is going to get worse. Their turnover percentage on offense was twenty two point seven percent two years ago. They were nineteen point six percent last year so they improved and i think it's fair to say that maybe they've improved a little bit more but they're fourteen and a half percent turnover rate on offense this year. This offense has been far more efficient This year overall. And i think that that's going to worsen as season goes. I think they're probably better. But not this much better in fact if you look at you tap this past weekend. One of the more surprising games That i saw from this friday night. January eight was a one on one to eighty nine win for youtube or vice. They game with sixty eight possessions. Youtube scored one point four. Nine points per possession that is next level. Good and i think that we're gonna see some pretty good regression science out of this. Utah team that when they play good defenses and it looks to me like they're playing a couple of good defenses in north texas louisiana tech coming up you tips. Offense is gonna look worse than what they did here recently so i like youtube to be a team that regresses now we go a little bit of a short term fade then so keep that in mind here. The miners look like a pretty good fade in a couple of their upcoming games. I want to update something. I talked about a few weeks ago. Here with regards to south alabama and we talked about the percentage of three point attempts taken against them fifty nine point five percent of shots against south alabama have been threes giving up better than thirty seven percent of those and they're a bad two point defenses well in about fifty six percent. This is one where south alabama's offense is. Okay but four of their seven wins have come against lower division teams. They've been blown up by double digits in their last three games. The sun not a bad conference. It's not a great conference but it's not a bad conference. I think south alabama if they keep allowing three point rate like this and it seems like they're going to be something of a fade team here going forward as well yeah. I don't like this team. I think that their defense is really weak. In general and like you said if you're giving up that many threes you don't want opponents to be shooting that good. I mean thirty seven point. Seven percent is too good for college basketball. And you're getting three points and set at two you're getting open looks and southern This this is a team. Where south alabama you know. I think their offense is pretty good. So i could see taking overs with them but i don't want any part of backing them to me. Their team that is almost unbeatable based on their defense this year. It's almost like we know what we're doing on this show because there's a pretty good segue here speaking of three pointers to talk about the next one that you had. In terms of regression looking at the citadel. Yeah i mean what what better segue could you gave than than that talk about. Cito we all love. Duggar baucom run and gun offense. Chuck the three. it's unique. I like unique offenses this team shooting. Forty point five percent from three though they were thirty three and a half and thirty two point four. The last two years citadel has played a terrible schedule three hundred forty. I can't according to ken. Pomeroy they're gonna regress a lot on offense and i think the citadel As a team that is going to pile up some losses soon and based on what their record is coming into this The senate out could be a regression candidates general. The only thing i will say is i think the odds makers do know that the citadel is not great even at this point because they have played a terrible schedule a lot of really weak team. So it's gonna be interesting to see what their line is here in a couple of these games because the citadel's about the place in quality teams furman at home this week And then even when they go play mercer and samford wofford teams like that. I think the senate al Will regress a lot on offense the same time. Their defense is very weak so Maybe you see a little bit lower scoring games. I wouldn't be excited to take a citadel under the one last regression point. I want to touch on here real quickly. Colorado is shooting eighty five point six percent at the free. Throw line the number one team in the country. Last year was seventy nine point eight percent. There are nine teams higher than that right now. Colorado lafayette from the patriot league. Akron portland nell vm. Chattanooga detroit and pepper dine but colorado is four percent better than anybody else in the nation at the free throw line so it's not going to continue to regress simply because i mean look at so far out of the realm of what the top team was in the country last year. So that's some of you may want to keep in mind with colorado if they're in kind of that following range favorite area of between four and eight or so. Yeah i mean. There's definitely not going to be nine teams finish above that rate and free throw percentage and colorado too high. But they're guys that get to line a lot are very good at free throws so i think they'll continue to be very good at it but Not that good. So as we recap you're sorta looking at some of the regression teams. You know southern miss a team that we're looking to fade south alabama a team looking to fade a little bit. You tep also team where we should have some fade opportunities. In the same thing with the citadel so again regression generally going to be more negative than positive for us on this show but those are some of the teams that you want to look to play against here over the next little. While you i mentioned has la- metrics and i mentioned talking about shot selection and some of the benefits. You can find with that. Sort of looking for some matchup advantages. There's another stat here from has lem metrics and again that's h. a. s. l. a. m. e. t. r. i c. s. has la- metrics other set. You mentioned here on today's show. Yeah and this is looking at potential. Quick points off breakaway seals. And if you look on has a metric site it's p. p. s. t. So you're looking at points. Office deal Potential quick points off breakaway seals versus the average opponent per one hundred trips up court so the bigger the number the better you are at converting seals and two quick scores. If you look at a team like Vcu saint john's or teams. That used pressure there. The teams that are going to be ranked higher in this. And i think this can be a really good stat to look at. If you're handicapping a game. An which one team is known as a very aggressive defense. Maybe they're using a full court press or a trap or something like that because there are some teams some that come to mind for me. A saint john's cop state mayor. Mac teams like that. If you want to go under the radar that really need to create some of these quick transition opportunities because they get set and a half court offense of set. They're really bad so they have to maximize these transitions Opportunities and yet you wanna see their opposition. How good are they at avoiding. Giving up those Quick points off breakaway after a steel. So i think this is a really good one to use. If you're looking at a game where you think one team is a pressure defense And it's something that's different than what you'll see at other websites. That's why i wanted to bring it up. And that's exactly where i was going to go is. Everybody knows ken. Palm and the markets are largely shaped by. What's at ken pom. That's true of has metrics where you can find some good opportunities some good edges from those statistical deep dives to really look into where some of these teams may have matchup advantages. You know it's a lot like we think about college football. Everybody reads feel steals magazine. All the oddsmakers. All the shirt vendors out there rebuild connolly and know about the snp if you can find other resources that are kind of under the radar like sort of why we talk so much about tour vic and why now we're talking a lot more about has la- metrics these things are really beneficial for you. And i think this is an excellent one. I like this one quite a bit to gives. It's so different from everything else and not very many people know about it. you know. obviously there's gonna be some more people know about it now since we brought this up but i think that's great i want people to know You're listening to this show to be able to try to be sharper better I think this is the kind of stat that can give you a little bit of an edge that most people don't have so that's what we're trying to do is give you that little bit extra aren't let's take a look at some fading follow teams here and i guess i'll go ahead and start with one that i'm kind of wondering what your take on this one as a fade team. The cleveland state vikings. You this is a team. That really bottomed out over the last couple of years but dennis gates doing a phenomenal job. Here with this team are eight. No so far in horizon play but they step up in class or this week they play right state one of the big things about cleveland state that i noticed is that they are not a good defensive rebounding team right state year in year out very good on the offensive glass kind of feel like maybe right state here in this back to back later in the week would be a good play against cleveland state. I like cleveland state a lot as a fade candidate. When when you sent that over. I really liked that one. a lot. And cleveland state is a good team. There certainly improved. But if you look at who. They've played so far. Really only the ones that impressed me much are the wins over youngstown state. I think youngstown states have pretty good team there other ones not all that good and if you go back and look their non conference they lost one. Oh one to forty six to ohio. the game. Where ohio had like a. I don't know thirty something. Nothing wrong or something like that. Cleveland state can't be too good of a team if they were blown out that badly and right state like you said looks like a good team to play against cleveland state. University's right state really crashes the offensive boards. They have Loud love really good offensive. Rebound a really good score down in the post. I don't think. Cleveland state matches up well against them at all. Is there friday and saturday games. Tore vicks look ahead. Line is right state minus nine. We'll see what the market comes out with. Do think those are two good opportunities there to go against cleveland. State in that one who's another fade team that you're looking at here and this was a little more higher profile. Yeah i'm going to say houston and this is a short term fade. 'cause i like houston team. I think they're a good team. Seven and four. Ats so far this year. They're very good team. I think they're going to be a little bit Over priced in the marketplace. Now though this houston defense is excellent but opponents have missed a lot of easy shots. If you look at houston's profile this year they foul houston does. Their opponents are going to be on the line lot when he foul as much as they do. I don't like lang a huge number. You know if you're taking minus fifteen or minus seventeen against a team that Houston is going to have the opposition in the double bonus more times than not so. If you're playing a team that can shoot free throws against houston getting points. Thank you could have some good value if you fade houston lang. Those big prices are so let you take the floor. I hear that in terms of follow team a play on team since there's been a lot of negativity here so far on our college basketball segment who looking to follow. Who do you think's going to have. Some value is sort of a bilo candidate. Yeah we do need some positive on the show here. Arkansas state one in five eighty s. I think mike bilotta pretty good coach. And look arkansas. State's been terrible so far this year but we know that they don't play in a conference that that really very good. We love the fun belt but arkansas state plays on a conference where they're gonna play quite a few weeks teams. They have several positive regression size in their stat profile You know block shots on the shots that they take seventeen percent of their shots getting blocked Horrible i mean. That's almost unheard of arkansas. State is gonna play better than they have so far this year they had a couple of games cancelled because texas state. Had some cova issues. But arkansas state's going to be catching points here going forward. I think they go be a good bilo candidate here at this point up there on a by located at here. I'm curious to hear your thoughts on this one. But i noticed that charlotte over the weekend lost a lower division. Belmont abbey in overtime. Seventy five seventy two now. This was on the heels of playing two very close games against western kentucky. One they lost by four one. They won by four overtime. This to me is sort of like that. Fcs angle in college football where a team loses a game early on that. They shouldn't like state. I mean we were buying iowa state low after they got beaten pretty comfortably by louisiana early on in the year made some good money on the cyclones. This feels to me like charlotte. You know if people noticed and of course. It was during an nfl playoff saturday and all that if people noticed they may have a sour opinion here of charlotte. But this is a team. It's actually played really really well. Has a couple of nice wins. That western kentucky win and one over davidson. They put a lot of close games to where their opponents are shooting. Eighty two point eight percent from the free throw line charlotte's kind of a play on team. I like this one. I'll be honest as you're talking about this. I'm over here looking at belmont abbey basketball to try to see how they've played against which i just wanted to say that because i won't listeners to know that you know behind the scenes that's what i'm doing when adams talking about this under the radar. I'm wondering you know who the hell was belmont. Abbey you know what i mean. So looking up belmont abbey basketball to see who they've played against and how they've done they've only played a couple of other games A win by one point over unc. Pembroke which i know we all know oughta by. Unc pembroke so sixty eight sixty seven win over them and their the number twenty two ranked team In that division to be honest. I think that's a pretty bad loss for charlotte and like you said you would think that that could be a good spot to buy on them afterwards. Hopefully people did notice that I think even in these games against uab back because he will be played a pretty weak schedule this year. Think their record is not indicative of how good they are in fact. Uab is three hundred and forty third accord according to ken. Palm and Schedule so far this year so and they've only played one game on the road. So i feel like you might have just Talked me into a strong here for later this week. All right here we go sounds good. Let's talk about some other games that we may have some thoughts on here as we go throughout the week. And we start on tuesday night wisconsin and michigan. You know we we talk a lot of under the radar stuff but no-one sometimes the big boys need some love here on the show as well and obviously this is a huge clash in the big ten on tuesday. Yeah and. I'll keep this one quick. Because i don't really have any You know strong betting angle on this one. I just wanted to throw out. That michigan has been really good. So far this year hunter dickinson has really been the difference for them. Seven foot one to fifty five. He's a big guy that has been far better than anybody could have expected him to be so far this year. And i do think that juwan howard has been really good as a coach there. I think that Most people didn't think he'd be a great hire he has been so far michigan's been very good wisconsin's a tricky match up for them and i think that you know this is the spot where michigan could could get upset. Wouldn't stunned me I don't wanna ban on it. I i think that maybe under would be my lean in this game. I know that Michigan's had some really high scoring games and even wisconsin's been a little bit higher than normal wisconsin's gonna be good at sewing. This tempo down and making it a bit uncomfortable for michigan here. In this one michigan's basically plus twenty three percent in two point offense versus defense sixty two percent offense thirty nine point one percent against on defense. I that is astonishing to say the least what other game. I want to mention quickly here on tuesday. We talked about the mac. A little eastern michigan and toledo play on tuesday night. And this one's fascinating to me eastern michigan fifty second in three point rates so percentage of field goal attempts coming from three point land. They are fifty second in the nation toledo twenty eighth so toledo takes a ton of threes eastern michigan a ton of threes. the differences toledo's hit eleven point three percent more of their three point. Shots there at thirty eight point. Five percent eastern michigan twenty seven point two percent. This feel smell gamer. Toledo could get some margin here if their season-long averages kind of play out because eastern michigan not gonna shy away from shooting threes. they just don't really make a whole lot of them. Yeah i like this one too. Because eastern michigan plays that match up zone syracuse match up zone defense. They're going to give up a lot of threes. There are also going to give up a lot offensive rebounds so Toledo pretty good at that as well. So if they miss those shots they get the offensive. Rebound they could be at the line quite a bit where they shoot almost seventy eight percent. You think toledo matches up pretty well against a team like eastern michigan. So you probably going to have to lay double digits in this game. But i think that'd be pretty fair. I think toledo will probably win this game by decent margin then we got a game here. A couple of games on thursday night just to finish up the show real quickly We'll talk about the one that you've got here. First austin p. and ut martin is get back to our bread and butter of going well under the radar if you haven't espn plus subscription. You can watch this one. This premium look ahead. Is that why you're interested in this game it is. Yeah i like austin and this one. I think austin peeling the points is a good look. Tennessee martin has a really bad team. I think they're going to get blown out by a lot of teams in the ovi- ovc ohio valley conference is not coming but there are some pretty good teams at the top and really weak teams at the bottom tennessee. Martin's gonna lose by margin a lot of times as year austin p. Has not been quite as good as you would expect. So far this season but austin p. matches up really well against tennessee martin last year austin p. One by eleven at tennessee. Martin this is a martin team that is even worse than last year. Definitely worse on offense and they're just as bad on defense p. is going to be able to score very easily in this game Campus when at eight. I hope this one comes out at eight frost and p of so all of this one tour vic minus seven point eight so maybe you get an eight here and this is a continuation of something you talked about last week on the show with ut martin as a fade team because of where they ranked in luck factor by ken palm and also because they hadn't played any good offenses. And we're still giving up. Almost one point one three points per possession. So kind of continuation. There i apologize for doing so poorly with the time today. I know you've got to split. But i wanna ask you about this real quickly. Thursday and friday san diego state and utah state utah state six and in mountain west play so far average margin of victory thirty three point three points per game. They beat san jose state twice air force twice new mexico twice when they've stepped up in class. They've lost v. c. You lost the south dakota state lost to byu. It put the two hundred and thirty ninth ranked schedule san diego state the sixty ninth ranked schedule interesting back to back here in logan thursday and friday. Yeah you know utah. State's team. I really like and i. It kind of reminds me. Which i i hate to hate to bring this up but it reminds me of a few weeks ago when it said that utah state would be a good team to back and coming weeks and i believe they've won like what six or seven games in a row against spread and i haven't been on them in a single one of those games so That that one stains a little bit. But i have to say that i. I think you talk states at team. I'd rather bet on in bad against. They have a really good home. Homecourt advantage based on being at outs to san diego state. I don't know if they're quite as good as what some people think. They are at the same time like you said. They played a much tougher schedule. This is one of those. Where if san diego state wins. That first game i'd really liked bet on utah state in the second game so maybe See what happens in that first. Game here because We've seen a lot of the. I team that wins and covers in game one struggles in game two so i think that sets up is one where i might like utah state in game two in this one thursday and friday. So we'll revisit this on next monday. Show with kyle. Hunter professional better handicapper from hunters. Sports picks dot com. And what's the word over the website. Right now my friend. You can head over two hundred sports fix dot com you. Check out my premium packages. There sign up for the free picks newsletter. If you haven't already and also follow me on twitter at kyle. Hunter picks going to be coming out with a way that people can get some of my place for free a little bit more for a longer period of time or Some special offers coming out soon. So stay tuned for that kyle. Hundred picks on twitter and go to one hundred sports fix dot com for the free pick newsletter cuyahoga. Always a treat to chat with you man. I'm sure you and i'll be blown up each other's phones during the national championship game tonight. Thanks so much for all the inside on today's show. We'll talk to you again next week. All right thanks. Take care there you go. There's one hundred professional better. An handicapper from hunter sports dot com at kyle. Hunter picks on twitter coming up on tuesday. I will gloat about my pizza wings and beer over. Brian blessing from that ravens and titans game. Then we'll talk about the divisional round match-ups we'll talk some golf and will preview the other two divisions in advance of the nhl opening night on wednesday. Now do it for me. Thank you for listening. Everybody and we'll talk to you again tomorrow.

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National Championship Preview - Alabama vs. Ohio State

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National Championship Preview - Alabama vs. Ohio State

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Landis a little bit and we're also going to hit a lotta your mailbox questions including some some pretty notable topics. Right now bruce in terms of the texas coaching change Trevor lawrence coming off the heisman ceremony. He just officially now. He's turning pro Question about texas. A. and m. and more discussion that we had the other night about what notre dame needs to do to ascend to the next level win a national title. We are pleased to be joined now by bill. Landis the excellent ohio state writer for the athletic this obviously a very fluid situation as of this recording on wednesday afternoon. What's your understanding of their co is situation. That came up quite a bit on tuesday about whether the game i be possibly affected by gene smith house. Ad saying no. We plan to play on monday years. They haven't stopped preparing They had some some positives. Come up and that's been the case since the they had to cancel the game. It's sort of flared up for him then and has never really gone away. They've had it in a place where they've been able to play since since canceling that illinois game. But it's been day to day almost they don't know what's going to pop up and and you know who might get contact tracing out of practices or games as well so they're dealing with it not stop practicing practice on tuesday. They practice on wednesday. They're preparing. they're gonna play on monday. But but i think we all know that you know. I hesitate to say like it's game on for monday because things could change in twenty four hours so as of right now. It sounds if they're going gonna play on monday. They're doing everything they can to get ready for that bill. You follow this team for a long time. I'm curious We've seen a lot from the buckeyes. It's rare to see them in that underdog role as they were. And obviously you know davos. Top twenty five ballot. Certainly you know became a subplot to everything going on from how you've seen them. I mean like what is the psyche of this team. What has been such a crazy year among all the craziness that has gone on just outside of outside of college football on general. This might be. Because i just close to it and i cover ohio state every day. But i'm not sure that there's another team that just bathes in disrespect in doubt the way that ohio state does whenever it gets. The opportunity to it doesn't happen all that much because they're the best team in the big ten and their you know thirty point favorites against most of the teams. They play in their own conference. But whenever they get to a stage like this whether it's playing clemson or especially playing alabama and people for some reason just think ohio state can't hold up and i think there's valid reasons maybe to think that ohio state owns the they they milk every last drop they can out of that and i think they're doing it again and i don't think that was the difference in them beating clemson because i just think it turns out that they were better than clemson but but i think it helped. And i don't know if ohio state's better than alabama or not. But i think it will help i think when nixon's daughter tweets that you're trying to duck the crimson tide. That's to get plastered around the woody hays authentic center so there really talented team and they're kind of angry and in the past when ohio state is angry. That usually worked out well for them. Yeah it's been really nice if their opponents right. I mean it's not up the house. Eight have johnston fields and a whole bunch of four and five stars but to have people directly related to the other teams providing bulletin board material alike ryan. Day must must be In heaven right now but in terms of what we saw from them against clemson. How much do you think was. It was night dave from the from the northwestern game. You know less than two weeks earlier. They how much of it was that. They've just had some disruptions from covid that maybe we hadn't seen a fully formed bio state yet. Or how much was this. Was one of those perfect storm. Knights are all the revenge against clemson and all these things they kind of combined to get their. Maybe play above themselves. I think it was a combination of both of those things but they did. You guys back chris. Alavi didn't play with western game. And i thought it was very obvious or apparent that the justin fields was uncomfortable without chris. Alavi out there he just. He's such a a comfort. I think for for justin. You just sort of always know where chris is going to be. He's always going to be in the right spot. Usually going to be open if you put the ball on him. he's more than likely going to catch it. And that's that. That wasn't there for justin. And i think just impressed a little bit. Because he didn't have that. And it's not to say that garrett wilson isn't good because carlson degree receiver in his own right but it's just a little easier to to slow down on offense when they're two guys who were getting seventy percent of the targets in one of them's not there so getting khris alavi back. I thought was huge for justin fields. That the thing. That's been a bit remarkable for ohio state. I think is is how well their offensive line has played over the last three games because they've had a different starting five in an all three of them mich- michigan state was was crazy. They had basically four new starters in that game and then the guy's back in against northwestern and then against clemson they had another starter. Harry miller missed game and had the work matthew jones in through all of that. They didn't really skip a beat. They somehow developed an incredible rhythm despite only playing. I think it's three games and like forty days and also rotating different guys in there so they've done a really good job of navigating these disruptions i think i i do think you should give people to give ohio state some credit for being able to do that but getting guys back i think was more key than anything else against clemson like chris lobbies only one guy but but that one guy is a pretty integral part of the offense bill. I did a story for the athletic where i talked to. Many many coaches in both conferences. They play in for scouting reports on each team in one of the things that came up a lot. When i talked to big ten coaches was just how big of a drop off there is between what normal is an outstanding secondary at ohio state. Kind of underwhelming. At this point to put it mildly. Now they're going to begins. Mack jones the best offense in college. Football the heisman trophy winner. They may also be going up against jalen. Waddell we'll see if he comes back. John msci's really receiver. Obviously nausea. harris is a problem in the run game. In addition to they have the best offensive line in college football What do you think the secondary will be able to try to do to either not get torched by mack jones and and all those weapons like what are their what you see from them and what have you heard that they may try to do to at least try to slow them down a little. You know. I thought they'd come out in the sugar bowl and a play a bunch of nickel and they didn't do that they played it pretty straight up. I think the biggest adjustment they made in that game was maybe playing their linebackers. A little deeper and a little wider to account for some of the rpo stuff that clemson likes to do but but they really didn't really change that much. They still played mostly single high safety covered. Three that's been their bread and butter all year. And i think that's probably what they're gonna do against alabama myself. Not being a football coach would like exchange up. What's there is something out on that. They've never seen before. But i don't know if that's carry combs. I'm most so i think they're going to try to do sort of what they've done all year and it's kind of terrifying when you look at what was done offensively and try to you know project forward of that offense way through against this defense if they don't change up but i think they need to tackle better as simple as that sounds like ohio states given up some big plays this year and they're they're not as physical in the secondary is usually are. They're pretty long. And and i think they have decent speed but they're just not a physical group at least a corner And that showed up a lot of times when teams get the ball on the edge. And then those guys kinda come up and missed tackles the nets where some of the big plays come out. And if you do that against alabama lead against harris or devante smith like that's probably going for a touchdown so they haven't seen i think this kind of collect speed from offense All year in. Why would they playing in the big ten. So if those guys can can tackle. I think they'll be okay. You're not going to stop alabama but maybe you can keep them from scoring fifty and if you do that you might have a chance. It's also a game where i mean. I think we are focused. And rightfully so on that matchup of of alabama and were vers- versus kind of suspect ohio state secondary but alabama has been burned on the deep ball Certainly in the sec championship. Go back to the illness game. Does it feel like a game where you know they. Trace sermon has done so much in the last two weeks but it feels like this is a game that justin feels me with his arm. Yeah i think. That's the case to betray. Sermon is important in that. Because so much of their passing game is based off of how they run the ball off of play action in any saw. Some of that against clemson guys just kind of had is in. The backfield is on justin fields and in. Meanwhile chris alavi. Garrett wilson jameson williams running behind them and i think the plan is probably similar against alabama. It's it's hard to tell if you go back and watch watch the tide play and it's like you can watch them play against notre dame but notre dame's playing a lot with three tight ends or two tight ends they don't really have that the speed and the athleticism on the outside that ohio state hassle. I don't know how good of a comparison that is. I think ohio state. Ken play that way. They can kind of shrink the field a little bit. But if you look at florida you look at all miss in. They spread alabama out. They ran the quarterback a little bit misplayed with with really fast tempo. And i think ohio state is unique in its ability to sort of play. Whatever kind of game you want you want from them. So if becomes a physical run the ball game they can line up with two tight ends and do that if it becomes a spread it out. Throw it around the yard kind of game. They can do that too. They've mixed tempos to to really good effect this year. So i like the matchup with ohio. State's offense against against alabama's defense. I don't really have any doubts. That ohio state is going to be able to score. It's just a matter of. Can they score. Enough bill for For this season as as feels like it's been really long even though it's truncated if you are a big big big ten fan at least as related to the amount of games for from what you see what is been surprising to you about them. Maybe that you thought coming into october. Twenty four th and now that you've seen them in a way like justin fields came full circle like he was phenomenal on the first three games against lesser competition than he would shake against indiana. Look like he played without confidence. And certainly as you said without. Chris alavi when they played northwestern and then he was brilliant than he's ever been on a big stage against clemson. So i'm not sure you know where that is in terms of that is traced sermon is at the the biggest eye opener to or what really has been the thing that it's like. Wow i didn't see that coming. I guess it would have to be traced sermon just with. I mean maybe not so much coming into the year but if you compare trae sermon now to where he was the beginning of the year like it's i i don't know who this guy is like. This guy came out of nowhere and didn't sound like he was like who oklahoma thought he was. Either to be right right because you would think if this guy was was in norman would let them go so i don't know i don't know i don't know what happened. I trade was coming off a knee injury. And he was in running back tandem with master teague. And i think it's always hard for backseat. Get rhythm when they're working in tandem and maybe he didn't trust his knee quite the point needed to at the beginning of the season because the offseason was so weird and he didn't get here until april spring ball no real summer to speak of either And it just took the time they get comfortable. i think part of it's the offensive. Line rounding into form trae sermon is is like a violent runner of the football and he was not that through his first probably five games of the year. So i think his ability to do this to be decisive to be physical. When he's tackled a break tackles to turn five yard runs. Twelve yard runs or even nukes sixty yard runs has really opened things up for the offensive. We only have like a one game sample size of that. But that's what it felt like against clemson. It was just ohio. State could do no wrong whether it was running or throwing and that wasn't really the case of beginning of the year. They played some bad teams. They threw it on them but they weren't running the ball like the so now that there are running the ball this. I think it opens up sort of really anything you wanna do. If you're ryan day columnist oftens. So i don't wanna i don't wanna skip past this game necessarily. That's on monday but it is my job with the athletic to do the early. Twenty twenty one top twenty five. That goes up the next morning so in doing my research. I'm looking at ohio state in their depth chart. I don't think i fully realize just how much of this team is. Either seniors or guys were sure gonna turn pro. We just in fields as is gone. Chris lavi i'm sure is gone but like all those linebackers are seniors and i soon john. Wade's turning pro and nine. Oh some of these seniors. You know you've got three. Nfl lyman probably. I know some of the seniors could still come back free year. But is there a feeling around that program that like this year's there like they have to win this year because it's the window because next year i know high allstate reload but this seems like a particularly big Reload they'll be doing next year it. It does feel way. Someone asked me the other day if this current run if you want to call her run ohio states on feels at all like twenty fourteen and part of the reason i said no is because you knew whatever happened with the end of that season with a twenty four team. Most of the not all of those guys are going to be back. Because was a lot of sophomores. This team is going to lose a ton and like you said they record as well as anybody. They reload every year an inch. Because of that. I don't think ohio state really ever has a window But this does feel pretty urgent when you consider like justin field has gone. Chris alavi is hardly gone to the nfl At least three other offensive lineman or are going to the nfl Sean wade's go. All the linebackers are going. Jonathan cooper's going Tommy toby might go. There's there's a lot on this team that's gonna gonna leave after this year and talent behind them but you have you have a very deep talented older group. At the moment that sort of peaking i think at the right time and it would feel. You always feel a sense of regret. I guess when you don't want a national championship particularly with this group. I think there was a reason that ryan day said that this team had had the i think he's got like once in a lifetime team in the beginning of the year. We're liquor sure I think now we're seeing what he meant so if they weren't to win with with this current group of of buckeyes. I think that'd be a pretty hard pill to swallow okay bill. I'm going to pick up on what she said. When you said peaking at the right time zamin you are picking the buckeyes to beat mighty alabama man. I'd i don't know i can see it. I can see a path there. I think not. I have not officially made my pick it but and we'll do that on our our our highest state podcast later. You're you're you're not getting that scoop But i think i'm going to pick alabama. I would certainly pick ohio state to cover But when i look at the matchup like i said there are things that i like with ohio. State's offense against alabama's defense. And i think you're going to be able to pace. I just don't. It's really hard for me to trust. Ohio state secondary against alabama and. I said the same thing against clemson. it's wipe it clemson and i. I was so wrong. It's embarrassing but Alabama is is a different kind of animal so. I don't think i'm quite there yet. Ready to pick ohio state bill. Thank you for joining us on the audible today and be sure to listen to bills. Ohio state podcasts. That is four to six with a and b is correct and the be Who's the again your friend. Ari wasserman staples got snubbed. There okay loyal listener are wasserman should do you should note it. That's very You should So what. I'm not agreeing with you. Bill i think i'm not saying you're definitely picking ohio state but i don't know if i'm going in that direction i feel like i don't know i just don't think they can slow them down. I think it's offense will score a lot. But i just don't think it's going to be enough stew. I kind of the same boat. Bill is like part of me. Just wants to say this is just like twenty fourteen. And they've got the momentum and they're gonna pick up where they left off and win it. Then i started thinking more about what al the alabama office is gonna do that defense. And i'm like i don't think i don't think i can do it so i just hope we don't all pick alabama because will be boring in an also the private good fro steve. Another thing for ryan. Data hang on the walls academic center a healthy life includes a healthy sex life. 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If this wasn't acceptable why not make the move last year and then texas and these are his words. Not mine elitist pompous. School replaces him fifty seven percent winning coach. That shows that party where they fifteen fifty seven percent winning coach. This is not how would there's lots of unwind their okay. So i think we talked about this a few weeks back. I know i talked about it on our Tv shows on that saturday. Before national signing day it was a very very carefully worded cryptic statement that ad krista bill conti put out And from the people. I talked to a texas said. He's not that safe there. You know and i think people looked at the wording was like. Oh he's definitely gonna be back for the twenty twenty one season and everything i had heard in. I think we talked about this on the show back in early. December was texas brass. Decided they were ready to move on from tom. Herman and they targeted urban meyer. And that didn't work out. He doesn't want to be a college coach right now. So then i think they assess their options and at that point I think they just felt like you know what this is this tom. Herman is not the guy who's going to get it done. After he got fired. I talked to somebody who was on the staff who made the case like. I don't think the players had bought into him anymore. I think there was a disconnect with him and many of them I just it just felt like the belief of the tom. Herman could get texas. Texas wants to be in that to be a playoff contender. It all but faded. And i think last year at the end of last year when they fired most of their staff. I think it was a last ditch effort but the handwriting at that point was really felt like it was on the wall. They were already passed the point nor return. It's when you. Brian kelly notwithstanding whereas the guy who's made some staff changes and hit the reset button. It's worked out but brian. Kelly was also at a different place in a done. a lot. More and was more established at notre dame than tom herman was and was more of a proven commodity. And i think that it's just a different place in to me. That's why they rip the band aid off now. Going from from him to sark is definitely questionable move. I mean sark's thunder terrific job as an offense coordinator. He did a good job at washington turning around. What was the people. Forget was a dreadful team at the time and got them respectable. Turn into a top ten team. Then he went to usc and all sorts of problems personally came came out Everything i've heard was that alabama in texas that discussions and texas had done some vetting of In felt comfortable with him going on. But it is you know. Any coaches of risk anyway How confidence do or you. That steve sarkisian can lead somewhere for texas. Be better than where tom. Herman had them. Well obviously hindsight is twenty twenty. Never really tell for sure but i. I had a lot more confidence when they hire tom. Herman than i do with them higher sark and in i mean it's didn't work but at the time. Remember thanksgiving night for years ago. It was a full-on bidding war between lsu in texas to get tom bergeron and based on it was only a two year run obviously at houston but he had one only big games and obviously Being the oc of the two thousand fourteen ohio state team like that seemed like a home. Run hire so now you fire him and you replace them with a guy who has been a head coach at to power five programs and didn't really do anything all that outstanding Now he comes out of the nick. Saban you know giving coaches another shot And obviously lane has done very well since since then argon the get go back a long ways but I wrote about this in the mail bag. It's not just about soccer or we hires or any of that. it's is texas. Is the leadership in texas in place for football coach. Be successful. Because i think one of the things that got really overlooked. And what a mess was the situation there with the fight song with the eyes of texas. Where you know. The athletes black athletes came out last summer and said they want the school to discontinue it because it has racist origins and obviously they did not do that. That would be a huge decision fans in one do that. So it's created this awkward situation where the athletes don't want to be part of it but the fans demand that it be there and tom. Herman took a lot. of flack. when after the red river game sam allen the only one who stayed on the field for the for the for the playing of it so now the ban refuses to play it. So like steve. Sarkisian has done a fantastic job with the alabama offense and nobody can deny. He's a great offense of coach. And i'm really excited to see what he does with bijon robinson right i mean could be the next nausea harris in college football but how the hell can handle situations like that or any of the number of the other things that come up where laic you don't know if the boosters or the region's texas sir who's your boss is at christmas oh conti or is it. The guys that write the checks. I think that's part of what's led to a lot of dysfunction over the last decade texas. Yeah we'll see if he can get it going. I mean it's i don't know. I mean i'm curious to see how it's gonna play out. You know he's a sharp guy. Hopefully he's in a better place than he was. I'd certainly seemed like he's in a better place than he was when he was coaching at usc and even towards the end washington but again this is a this is not an easy job now. The big twelve. It's not like he's in the sec west but again you know if you're the head coach at texas if you go eight and four enough you're not gonna they're not gonna keep you but i think really what everything i heard was wasn't really just the eight and four part of it. It was really the just the the feeling of the players inside the program. Just felt like it wasn't working there. And i think that's a hard place to be in. It's hard place to recruit from. So we'll see if he can look i in some ways. I think this job is actually even though tom. Herman probably had more success than certainly Charlie strong did. But now. When i look at it you're archrival in the state at least texas am just came is coming off a top five season. And they are recruiting really well known recruit better right and oklahoma's had a really good run now under lincoln riley and they're not slowing down. So i mean it's it's it's tougher. You know it's just. It's just an uphill climb then in charlotte. North carolina. Bruce in stu rican contributor. I wanted to follow up on your discussion regarding earnings billy to win a national title using joining a conference would help close the gap to the clemson ohio state alabama's of the world. I know a common theme and it will happen. But if they joined the acc for example they would have an easier path the playoffs especially once it expands and make more money to help with recruiting infrastructure upgrade etc. I start by saying this. Money is not noting problem They are you ever been to that campus to that athletic facility Yeah the this is not a situation of. They don't have the money to keep up with your house as alabama's of the world but it's a legitimate question is is being independent in some way. Impeding them from taking that next step. I don't think it is i really. Don't i think it's some of their own challenges. That i think are are maybe not probably the less. A slight somewhat restrictive you know in terms of not necessarily recruiting players but maybe keeping some of them eligible in in the notre dame environment and that's not a negative reflection on how notre dame's academics are. But i think that's just kind of the recruiting pool is is a bit smaller and their ability to challenges that go into it. I think in stay into it. I think are are restrictive. And i think notre dame is proud of of that in a lotta ways and brought and should be. But you know. I i wouldn't be apoplectic notre dame fan if you're the fourth or fifth best program in college football right now mean there. I don't think they're light years away from having a chance to win a national title. There just margin for error is smaller than clemson's and alabama's in ohio states. But you know what so is almost everybody else too yeah. I just think that there's frustration because it just feels like Is this as good as it gets. Can a new see the level that those three programs you mentioned recruit at the level georgia recruits at and not recruits. Well don't get me wrong. Their top ten glasses they get a you know. They don't have they. Don't they're not getting five-star upon five-star five-star and i think the biggest issue is just where they're located they. Espn put out a release about the readings for the sony finals and Somebody noted that show the top ten markets and none of the top ten markets for that game. Were anger near indianapolis. I mean there were ones but you attribute that to ohio state so Like they don't they don't have all those other. Schools have a natural recruiting footprint. They do recruit nationally. How state goes on fruits nationally. Alabama gets kids from other parts of the country but they have a starting point. Notre dame has to get every single kid from another part of the country for the most part And that's a challenge. That's that's not really a a ideal way to be able to get five star by star star so the i think the best thing you can hope is that look for years. Noting main recruiting selling point was their tradition. That was You know look what we did in the sixties. Look we did and then in the late eighties. now brian. Kelly has built up a nice track record near where they can go into recruits homes. And say we made the plan to the last three years. Come take help us. Take the next step You know so like you said it's not like they're light years away It's just hard to see how they match those other programs This is a question that i've answered repeatedly but lem curious to get your opinion from gordon. Cameron happy new year. Gentlemen how good is texas. Ain't am really when i watched the orange bowl. He's seen at least a full. Step behind alamo housing labs at least a half step behind a while. The scoreboard suggest. Otherwise my is they had all they could handle against a Depleted north carolina team for most of their games. Or are they truly the number five or some suggested number four team in the country I think they are are of that. Caliber the really good on both lines. The really well coached on both sides of the ball. Jimbo's a really. Excellent offense a mind and mike elko is the same on defense. They have good skill guys. I think i liked kellyn montana. More than maybe some other College football the media in terms of like i. He's he's a really good quarterback he's obviously played a lot You know. There is some inconsistency with with texas and like just like there's probably inconsistency with pretty much everybody else. I think it's a really good team. i think there's a couple of places where you know. They're probably not as strong as some of the other teams in the top four. But they're definitely good on both lines and they have a good quarterback. I mean if you were to say is it you know. He's not trouble with lawrence. He's not just fields. Mack jones is operates at offense really. Well i would say he's just a notch below that i don't think you know i think in some ways in some ways they they are feel a little similar to notre dame. They have a good quarterback who's played a lot who can make plays with his leg They have they have a really good offense align to. I think they have a better defensive line than the irish but you know. I feel like they're actually pretty similar to that. You know and curious to see if they can take the next up I think there are a great team. But i think there are very very good team which is the way i would describe notre dame right now there probably is a you know they were. They were the teams that were compared to the number four spot. And there probably wasn't much of a difference there. I don't think as much as the fans wants to say like because the nourian got blown out by Alabama in the semi-final while they beat. Unc that that yeah. Hey look am we finished with one loss. They finished with two. We should be the hiring team you know. I'm not an ems fall. I wish they had gotten a better opponent in the ballgame because to me facing unc without the most productive backhand since Reggie bush. They are white and being taken to the ended up a fourteen point margin but it went right down to the wire is was formed. That didn't tell me that. Yeah that's that's living proof that am is a was a playoff caliber team this year. I think they could get their next year. I just don't think they were quite there this year. I don't think their defense was as good as notre dame's Kellyn mind. I mean there's really not i mean kalamata book are actually grow someone when you think about it. Three or four year starting quarterbacks who had their moments. But you're not gonna say that they're trevor lawrence so I got a lot of flack. Ma'am fans 'cause i suggested. I think homa should be ranked higher in the final. I just think oklahoma by the end of the season had a better demon them That was clicking on all cylinders but the way we do polls you don't dare put a two loss team ahead of a one loss team in the final hole a young. She saw that When you put that out. That's interesting. I didn't i. I wouldn't have done that. I mean if you'd asked me who i think would win now. I might pick oklahoma. I'm not sure. But i do think am had a better season light from me and we all have different rationale for where we you know. I feel like i do take what happened on. The field probably had an higher than oklahoma. But i understood your rationale at the end of the day. I don't think it's like it doesn't matter it doesn't it doesn't it does not i think it's they were basically flip plot for a lot of people. I thought a when you put them. There is like I didn't even. I didn't even think that somebody would put oklahoma that. I'm not like it was like an outrage. I mean they whipped a florida teen. You know that didn't play well and whatnot. But it was still you know. I felt like that was a different caliber. Game stu back to the podcast and a second. Do you know. I love cereal. I eat it for breakfast. I eat for lunch. And now i hear that you are surreal fanatic to what gives bruce. Let me tell you something. Magic spoon is one of our sponsors and rarely have been spent a product that not just me but my whole family is is ecstatic about magic spoon is basically you know all the unhealthy cereals. Sugar volt zero eight as a kid near like. I'm forty four years old. I can't be eating that well. They made a healthy version of them. And i gotta tell ya. You got four flavors. Cocoa fruity frosted and blueberry. Both my wife and my daughter can't get enough My my daughter. She's four. 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They've gone from champion in two thousand eighteen to run up and twenty nineteen two semi final loss in twenty twenty. I think yeah. I mean i think when when they won the national title and you blew out alabama and a true freshman quarterback if we had s that had a bet that day when you bet that he would get one more before he was gone. Oh yeah no doubt. Especially given how how they've been recruiting. I mean it shows you how hard it is to win a national title. I think that's one of the things you know. And i think that shouldn't be left in this kind of because we're so used to seeing seeing these two teams on top of the college football. I mean again to me. There's no question who is the greatest college football coach of all time. And and and you know what we're talking about with. Trevor lawrence is just another reason why it's really really hard to win national titles and to keep to avoid the complacency and everything else that goes with being being great and staying great You know look. I mean trump lawrence at an amazing three year career. It started out great. You know. I mean the one thing that i will kind of take away is heard anything. You know like negative remotely about how trevor lawrence handled himself. It was always like you know our clemson writer. Grace raynor who we both think. Highly of You know i've seen the way. She talks about how he treats people. And i know in his thank you note that he was announcing going to the nfl. If you talked about that was the most important thing to be known as somebody treats people really well and so You know. I mean he's somebody that i will have really positive feelings for as he moves onto the nfl. Because like i you know. I interviewed him. I think when he was in high school at the elite eleven Short of hit. You know knowing that he was really tall and had long hair. I didn't have a great sense of him at that point. And i think we've seen especially in this year with all the every all the craziness I think we've seen his personality Shined through his leadership and his character shine through so whether he won two national titles. Or whether you wanna heisman. I mean it's weird like shawn watson in my head after remember that he didn't win a heisman. Just because i remember him as a national champion you know and i remember him as like as a leader as like a shining star of of a character and i think again same won a national title. Same program Didn't win a heisman. But you know. I don't think that in any way remotely defined him or feels like. There's a a box unchecked. I don't think he regressed as a passer either you know. He had a rough game obviously against ohio. State that you're fumble where where. He thought. He had no wrapped it up in an interception. But i'm just looking here. Passer rating improved every year. She says didn't have as much help this year. you think back to the that national title game against alabama. And he's throwing to justin. Ross and t. higgins and mean justin. Ross has a medical condition for the season never plays Amari rogers pretty much. The only experienced receiver. He had all year couple of guys that they were going to be. The next rate restorers were hurt pretty much all year. in their offensive line. I mean it was a weakness all year but just there weren't a lot of teams on their schedule that could exploit it aid certainly did You know. I think this shows you that you could have the number one. Pick a great. You know one of the great college quarterbacks we've seen recently and he can't do it again. Do it alone This year the no shame in that and I know look. I said got an amazing career there in three years and now hats off to him. 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Robyn Vinter, founder of The Overtake, on closing down the publication

"Hello and welcome to the journalists dot k. Podcast i'm your host. The jacob grainger each week we bring the most interesting conversations from around the media industry today. We'll be talking about why the overtake independent news. Website for millennials based in the north of england shutdown since two thousand and sixteen website has produced in-depth articles for its young readers on topics like climate change and equality but last week in an article to its readers overtake said. Thank you and goodbye announced. It was calling each day in closing down. Maybe not for the reasons you want thinking. Today is the founder of the overtake weapon. Vinter and she tells me more about why this announcement was a long time coming. The first line in that post read. It's very hard to end. Something which isn't failing. The other take was otherwise in growth in terms of revenue and page views. So where's the issued. The problem was that it wasn't enough. The growth was too slow to overcome some of the key issues. Ruben talks to us about the business decisions which led to it becoming unsustainable and her needing to through freelance work plaza parts. I wrote the yorkshire post to make our own ends meet and if this is starting to sound a little bit doom and gloom. Don't worry less some optimism in store for those looking to enter the independent media space. I this great editorial content journalism dakota. Uk provides the jobs with the latest opportunities from around the media. Industry on top of the week is ahead of social media role at newsweek for this position. And all the rest on our jobs board head over to. www dot journalism dot cut it uk. forward slash jobs rubin. Welcome to the journalism podcast. What's the working situation like for you. At the moment it is israel mix actually. I'm sarah have two laptops. I have my yorkshire pace laptop which i worked from when on the days of the space and then have my freelance laptop and i just have to kind of switch everything over in the days in between so. I'm a in my spare bedroom. Which is a tip on secondhand desk that someone dirty to retake and yeah and it's covered in piles of magazines newspapers and all sorts of absolute junk. It really does need to tidy actually working for many screens then. Yeah yes exactly. Sounds very busy Robin we're here. Of course talk about the overtaken the announcement that it made last week surrounding its closure for our audience may be listening to this episode. And they don't know much about the overtake. Can you take expect to twenty sixteen when you launched and talk to us about why you launched them. What your editorial mission really was from that point onwards yes so i i'm from leads originally and gripping leads and me to london to welcome journalism i one thing i noticed this was obviously things have changed now but backing kind of twenty fifteen two thousand sixteen when the idea of the kind of foaming head there was a lot of talk about the future of them and what young people wanted and all of talk was about young people of tweets out and they want they want everything short in these are the subjects that they're interested in the no interested in these other subjects and i felt kind of that you know as he wanted to read long articles. I kind of felt the kind of the reason why long reads kind of big on features and things like that on. East of didn't tend to do well among people was because he didn't tend to cova the subjects that we are interested in. That was kind of premise. Behind it You know. I'm from a working class background and i did notice that there was a lot of the kind of attitude i shed with people when i when i moved to london and love the kind of things i was interested in very similar but there was a real perception. The working possible than kate. So young people. What interested in veganism for example the climate you politics or whatever it was you know. There's a real exception that the these people went interested in that. I'm having grown up in and you know we all my friends and family. I needed it. Definitely wasn't the case. Nfl there was no way. You know if you wanted to publish kind of stuff that the there was no way that existed at the time. Oh a very few places existed. That really kind of understood that same yes. That's kind of how it came about so you decided to do it yourself then. Yeah we'll have. It was as well. I decided to move back open to leads. That was probably reasons because my grandma was ill at the time but also you know i was getting my late twenties wanting to buy a lot potentially couldn't do any of that in london It fellow at the right time to me failing. I'm so obviously anybody will now is so much. more difficult. gadget was job outside of london partly necessity in pali to fill that gap in the market Existent had you ever done anything like this before nine. No i don't. I don't even like people always people always say to me like what. How did you have the guts to do something. Like that. And i honestly i am. Yeah i'd never. I kind of think pot things i was. We did something called the west by women awards A group of women that was a journalism awards. You know that we just kind of threw together and it seemed to at quite well and i kind of understood that there was was potential. And sometimes when you just threes. Something is possible to to do their thing that you want to do. Yeah okay so in terms of how you operate it. From that point onwards what is your business would watch. Looked like so my idea. I guess for it was i. I really didn't want have domestic ads so at the time every you know every needs i was just like absolute loaded with them and he still is done to the point where they download properly right. Exactly exactly that's it. So i kind of wanted the the uses fast and obviously is not. It's not that simple you know. You've got to have some kind of revenue you got money from an initially. The plan was to do sponsored content said just as some really good quality sponsored content Because because we didn't really have begun overheads. Initially it was just me eventually developed a small team you know. We went paying for expensive office space. We weren't paying full kind of any any of the kind of things that the olov allowed companies are paying for. And you know which is why they need that kind of sizeable revenue. I just thought maybe every time it would cry. You know if we could get you could brands on bowed A man i. I always had a plan for membership of some kind and we did eventually did that we did. We did patriot and we did steady as while instead. He said he emptied his upset. Brilliant so by the sounds the things. You've always kind of walked out bedrooms on this kind of thing. Yeah well i yes initially. Yes what what we went from actually is laser temporary spaces. So you know loads of people saying oh you can use this room for three months You know day. We went through the knowledge charity. And we could. We paid a very very low rent for for temporary spaces but did mean that we got often less than a month's notice and we had to get all stuff out and find somewhere else so that was a challenge but Yet in a way kind of saved us or at least allowed us to exist an ob together in the same room. Love the time call. Okay so you spike there about your patrons and you'll members at your high. Roughly how many people did you really have signed up. I think we had more than one hundred. I'm not sure exactly how many Because has spread of a patriot in steady but the problem really was that revenue wise. We will always growing but would just never enough. You know we'd get maybe an extra support to a month. Which was absolutely brilliant. And i'm i'm so grateful for having this about his book. The kind of initial idea was to grow much more slowly than i am and not have not have staff and you know it got to the point where after a couple of years so many people come on board and there was so brilliant and they volunteered time. The i was trying to pay as many people as possible and And i was and i was doing that book. I realized eventually that they would never going to get a full-time job. Out out of this on fears and i was kind of like stringing them along a little bit with giving him. When are you saying that. In some ways he became oversaturated with writers. Then totally yeah. That's exactly what happened so the plan had always been you know when when we set up the plan the palm had always been on my plan initially had always been to have me and co-founder someone to run the business and meted do the editorial side. I felt quite confident building the traffic and actually i did that. Rarely really quite well and partly through knowing what would be well but partly through absolute coincidence We had one hundred thousand unique in the first month. Which is which is a law in an independent assessment am site. Yeah and that was being very lookie impove. That was by design. Obviously and so you. Yeah so the the idea had always been taps on the business side of it. I'd i'd gone on kind of entrepreneurship program saying they were very keen on Just launching a me. They'd always say general innings until you alone. And i was like i wet in ad. Retina startup befall. I worked in different companies. Am i knew hundred percent while i needed and it was someone to do. The business is so someone to do the revenue in the marketing side of things. And i would just focus on building the site in a building. The traffic i'm boats. I so that was kind of a big mistake. Rarely of mine was that. I just completely to that advice on board even against my better instincts. So i'd never intended to vernet completely alive and beveren said why not and then tonight i i guess i just thought oh well maybe the right. Maybe maybe once we get going you will always figure out exactly by knew it wouldn't and i don't know how allowed that auburn while the message that i was getting law of was You know what you need until you loan. That was the first one second. One was m u You all the best person to sell your business. I i also need. That wasn't tricks and sales before and i was terrible absolutely terrible like i can persuade people out people interested. I can persuade them out. So it feels like you're describing may actually exactly like i think that the skills ev sales in journalism monte overlap at all and they kind of almost the opposite in a lot of ways so yes i i i knew i would really struggle with that but again i thought maybe i've got this untapped potential. I never knew that had. Maybe maybe actually trying some iron thing. I i you know. I'll be good. But now i wasn't absolutely terrible am so yes i by the time. It kind of like registered that that those with the reasons why our revenue was going slightly. We were in quite difficult financial position. I already had paid rightism bald. And i did get to pay sales people though call by just couldn't give them in hours ready to make in sponsored content side of things. I'm sorry yeah i think. In hindsight i was very keen to kind of hang on to every brilliant writer. That came along diplomas debilitate said that they would have fulltime jobs eventually. Bachelor i think probably. I should've i should've stuck with just made a mean somebody else and you would have been the best way to. I think to be clear about this. Who were these other people that would come onto right for you. Say m initially. What how it started was i was kind of this one person band and somebody local uni hit emailed. Me and said can i conflict experience and i was like well. It's just me. So he can. But i i think i'd even gone back and gone. Actually no no. I'm just won't pass and so everything is at. I think is going to be like no now. I'm really keen. And i was like okay. Fine you can go. And i had some temporary office space. So in a shed off says she came she records painting. She was brilliant. And i was like. Oh this is actually be quite useful to have to have. Somebody is time consuming. Obviously to have work experience people badgley. She did some brilliant stuff. And i think challenge the week to two weeks. She's brilliant. So i was like okay. Fine i'll accept. Experience people amend wants the wet. Go out about that. I was getting a couple of emails a week if people saying. Can i come and direct experience so i started doing a one day a week internship which i thought was probably the best way of doing him So it it lasted like if you had two these up in fifteen days in total. I normal three weeks if you if you would take as a you know three weeks. Which is what the bbc does. All the bbc did. I don't know if they still do that. And i will take. Anyone is all out you know. I wouldn't especially the star. I wasn't kind of filtering through applications is just. They gone waiting less than make a come one day week. So many of them because leads. We've got i think. Three or four of the universe. He's got journalism at least three of the university's journalism goes as the only get work experiences. kohl's so i was just kind of inundated so i took as many as possible and some of them would just exceptional and graduated or whatever they were like. Oh you know had been one of the audience was like please can. I was like no. We've got rule. Like don't i don't want it to look like i'm expecting you know we've got the fifteen day role nuts set and he was like please like he. He'd worked in in a crappy job and he was like please. This is oil for to like all week. And i was like okay. I can say and really talking on your heartstrings. Then yeah exactly and and then that happened a few times and kind of people people stayed. And then i could kind of pay them a little bit of money. I would probably and bear in mind. I should say most of i wasn't paying myself a tall and actually allow the timer was paying reporters in my my team and i wasn't paying myself which i think was actually probably mistake is all because then i had to do a lot for you on swift kind of made me. I guess compensate. I mean you've gotta live yourself robin them. Yeah exactly. And i say when when you gonna plane and they say if in the event of an incident like you've put the the extreme skinny sell first before you before you put on a child and i think he's a bit like i think i was putting oxygen masks on my team and then i was in financial dire straits and i was already overloaded with with everything that that came with the. Take that really. I shouldn't have been doing freelance. Work to try and survive. I should have been pay myself first and then the team second to you wish you a oven. Oh one hundred percent. Yeah yeah i think. I don't know whether we'd still be here. I don't think it really changes that much economically. Some of the decisions i made were based on the i like these people and they deserve to be paid for the work day right. No i'm business. I'm running a business. And i have to think about myself in the business i and i i did it again. I definitely i definitely do that. this you'll freelance. Rate was fifty pound a feature correct. Yeah yes he was a flat rate. So it's fifty pounds name out. What was said. I can easy piece feature opinion. Although we didn't do a lot of body and especially numidian do love opinion. Because i am. I was just getting pitched signed much opinion. An alavi was quite. I guess uninformed unqualified opinion. Love was about politics and it just it wasn't it wasn't right for it so we kind of do not opinion. I mean what you're saying before about Not paying your writers what you perceive to be fair amount fifty pounds. An article pat on a national level isn't much but for young journalists journalism students. That is significant. It is a significant amount for them and also in the context of how your business was. Fifty pound was represented a lot for you really. Didn't it exactly that's it. Yeah exactly so. Like if i to be making a profit we would have got law. Flack for that for that ray. But i think because we already struggling as individuals and i was really struggling financially. Personally i think people were were bit more relaxed about says by do think of it like if it if it's a piece it takes off a day to write. Let's say in. In his case it was long it would have taken the manga than htay. Let's save is of take some half a day to right. That's that's just minimum. Wage is not been brilliant book. It's not position you know. I worked in a cinema. When i was a shooting and i would have done anything to have got paid minimum wage to right instead of to echina- cinema You know i feel like though is You know the rate wasn't brilliant and that was part of the reason why we got to the point where you know. We're going to have to close because it's not getting any better anytime. Say it's interesting though. What you're saying is on a personal level. You're struggling on a business level. The overtake was doing okay. I think in the book post announced the closure. You wrote that. Three haunted end something which is failing so how successful was the overtake and well. We never argued money to anyone. I could always pay everybody. I can't pay people kind of straight away. Because i you know as a freelance two at the height we had a had seven part time staff but usually they would gain pay day week amount. Was there so. I would say the hype the turnover like. Let's say a monthly was about three a. The height but he kind of dwindled. Last year as i started to realize we're gonna have to wind things down. That was it rarely so may up when directly on paying the team apart of it went on freelances a few heads but genuinely it was like ito fifty fifty quid for g. suite in the email. Email thing we all necessary everyday everyday software. The in the business. You're saying really. Is that the operating costs. Were super minimal. Most of the Revenues really spent on salaries and commissions. And this kind of thing. That's exactly meanwhile robin we've touched on it but it's unconservative of the fact that this is probably another big factor in all of this. You've got a day job at the yorkshire post. Yeah i i look back now and i honestly can't understand how i did that. Am i mean initially for quite a while. I've been doing odd bits of freelance work. Then there was kind of a period where i was focused all completely fulltime on the every take a man i got i now i just. I just realized i couldn't live off two hundred pounds a month. Robin not just the and yeah. That's and i. I kind of like a savings from the full and for a launched m and was getting by with like a freelance in yet. Probably pay myself two hundred pounds a month from the take and i was like to. You know to to get unless. I'm going to get rid of some people. I'm going to have to a part time job. Say the when. The price came along weirdly at the time. Just by absolutely pure coincidence the everything was based on the floor below the paste. Really i would guy in about eight. Am do an hour and a half on the lake and then go upstairs in do day. Yeah and then i. I'm then i'd go back down. Says you maybe another hour at the end of the day and i remember mentioning somebody i kind of by this point lost all perspective war know what normal working out sounds like something of a movie. I thought people at one moment in time. Yeah that's exactly it. And i remember saying to one of my colleagues and like what my you know. I was doing that. And she's like that's crazy. And i was like no after like now back walls crazy. I didn't. I just don't know how much do that did. The assurance of having that job at the post have any impact on your decision to close the overtake That's an interesting question. Am yes i think so. Yeah i think so. But to be honest i was so tired. You know around kind of like made last year. I was thinking about. You know what committee. The every statement makes it more manageable for me And makes it so that it can grow and i looked. I spoke to low to brilliant people in print who run print magazines. Who really gave me laser. That i'm positive knees tribune now. Then all people who knew. Which did you get in independent media. You get people who willing to kind of help you and to give you advice and support a may kind of talk me through. How kind of print wise to them and that was a real. It was a real option but again it was just the same kind of thing i i was like. You know the i share. I'm going to have to get together. Some content not really be able to pay people properly. An i wait wait stop so i think i just i just got to play whereas like you know i'm i'm living this kind of like coast life trying trying to make the struggling thing work china's financially this year i'll be safety take an psyche. You you just get to a point in life. Way like a icon This this isn't working on I can't do it. And i had i had somebody who i could Directly iowa to. I would have done that. It wasn't really i don't think it was. It would have been sellable dating. Anyone would have both and not changed. I felt uncomfortable about selling at just because of all. The people who've kind of supported us didn't do that with me selling him. Yeah but there was. Nobody really in line to kind of take ver- And also why. Why would be if someone came along and said. I can't quite francie running there. I would think giving them an enormous responsibility tae the you know i mean. It's very difficult and like i say it was growing traffic was growing. I suppose regarding site you know it wasn't it wasn't dying wasn't heading for dead end or anything like that so if i could summarize a couple of these reasons for the closure. There's one just your. I'm passed on level of fatigue do multiple jobs in and crazy our was to is perhaps gill associated to What you deemed to be unfair pay for talented writers. That were Contributing to the websites and three just the fact that there was nobody to pause that responsibility on Is that fair summary. Yeah exactly as good rubbing dwell on the negative today so it lights kind of switch up the tone and ask you a positive the encouraging thing in the post that we've spoken about is this optimism around the future for independent media on indeed. Today you said the the overtake was going into good directions. But the other reasons we've outlined. That's why i had to close what's your take on the future of independent media. Yes one hundred percents. I was asked this actually like a conference. Maybe last year About independent media. Maybe the before it might even be at this point. Yeah it would have been the before of course who just had plummeted forgotten some. Yes someone asked me about that. And i my view was always the the independents that exist that the berryman if they can just get through the next few years. The there's definitely the disturbing say when we launched. It was very much like you know all the kind of independence that was successful. We kind of facebook pages. That did like sherry things. Like the kind of like Lot bible and the bible junior type content and like. Oh you know that was kind of accessible. At the time there was a lot of You know oh. Local papers are really struggling. And that's going to be bad for democracy and we went local publication but we have shared similar struggles. Nobody was really saying somebody needs to help them. and i think that's what's happening now so they've been quite few kind of For publishers and some of them have been you know like in the past. It would be always wrong tech any grant. We're on tech a were a lot of them. Were given to legacy publishes that. Have that big team already. Ready to guy and rally wouldn't independent. Get any any kind of substantial gwen already. Nation was able reporting on stuff that we just didn't dame but it but it exists differently. Now you know the that you you know lots of Lucian go like fifty grand you To to from a from a public trust fund Just didn't exist before. I think we were very unlucky that we never got any of the grants that we'd applied fall and part of it was because we when we you know a lot. The grunts weren't really sell for people like us but now they also. I feel very positive if people are thinking. Oh i really wanna stop something where you know where i live or you fix them. They saudi specific audience. That they think is out a then. They're in a much opposition definitely than we ever were. The one that obviously comes to mind is the future needs fund. Run by nestor. If you went in for that and you're successful with have changed the complexion much. Yes it definitely would allow. People said to get your first graham than the they come easier after that. And i think we doing so many investigations where you know we we have to constantly scale it back. You know we couldn't afford to travel like that was one that we wanted to do We were we just needed to get to the midland's stain cena hotel or being b o ever in the midland for a couple of days and we just didn't just nothing in the budget for doing that. I'm being just might be couldn't complete investigation. So i think being able to put some money aside to do one big investigation to kind of prove what we could do. We did law small things that that was successful. And the kind of you know. We go long listed for the poor photo wad small discussion that we did. But we have so many great ideas and say many semi kind of fully formed investigations. Ready that just needed doing and just kind of like proving on putting putting putting kind of down the can dave so yeah. I think it would have been transformational. I don't know whether of it came down in the end to me being completely naked. And i don't know whether than having any moment he would have really helped in that way. It might have done because it might have meant. I could pay somebody to run the site while i took holiday. All you know something apropos. Fifty grandma cup. Like i say i was really about filling those applications and we were just very unlucky with we not gang and and say several. Been some experts. Well at the moment. I'm still part time at the paste. I'm freelance so i've actually been really enjoying being freelance. So i think really of being kind of doing their tackle doing something on the kind of full. Oh maybe even five years railway at this point i'm just you know my profiling the industry strategy now. I'm a bit well Speak easy to get freelance work. And i've been very fortunate actually with the with freedom sweat during the pandemic because people are always looking for reporters which get some kind of enjoying that. The maimon There's i've got. I've caught a an idea out. Autism kind of much much smaller scale idea. The i'm looking to launch emec. Few weeks but is very small. Scale is is amuse Essentially a by think again is into kind of gap in the market. That the doesn't exist at the bark urine puzzle newsletter. Yeah yeah it's it's. I would say a cross between swimming like the overtake and a personal newsletter. So you might be jumping in this indie bandwagon. Then yes exactly with a patriot sub stocks and the rest of them. That's exactly it. Yes siree interesting net. That will never be a big income generator or anything. But it'll be a kind of nice today. Know it gives me a lot of the kind of good feeling from the take but without the negative side. Signed buster both well. Yeah so. I feel very kazu. Sounds like you've really reflected on the last five years of during the overtaken that will really kind of be useful to you going forward into next. Let me try and extract some parting words of wisdom from me Robin young journalist thinking of going down this entrepreneur road. What would a you know the best advice that you could give them reflecting on the last five years at the overtake. I think If you feel like you're not well represented you're right You know in in the media. I would say listen to your instincts if something you want do do it because you you regret the things that you don't demon you regret the things that you do but also you know there's a lot of their in laws of independence out there at the moment. Now you know again a bit different how it was when we started A male need help. The only money will be need a manpower woman. Power and in your skills can be can be put to use and you can. You can build a career from starting in independent media definitely moss words of encouragement that roman. Thank you very much fuel time. Incites today thanks for jumping on the podcast and wish you the best with whatever you do next. Thanks great to speak to robin there and lots to reflect upon. Not least of those is how hard it is to make you an independent media on the other hand. There are opportunities there to serve community audiences. That's it is a monumental task one worth picking your battles with if wins. Candle is anything to go by bio means basilio passions delegate responsibility. You can wear tasks outside of your expertise. Otherwise can't spiral out of control. If you like what you heard today you can find all other episodes on soundcloud spotify. I'm apple podcasts. By searching and subscribing to the journalism cutting podcast featuring a love to hear from you join me an email and jacob and journalism the uk. But that's we have time for this week. I've been your drink grainger. Thanks so much for listening until next time.

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"Gil elliott's he's got to the races can catch him eighty yards. It's so easy to be a little something special player sloane talents what we're going inside but don't the oh god. Don't forget today today. We're gonna win menace to what a weekend of college football in the mid west that was. I'll tell you it was <hes> it was. It was an eventful weekend wasn't it finally i mean and not only that i'm going to hear it was <hes> there was in some drama. Obviously there was some letdowns. I know the s._e._c. Top tier played really well. They had a good weekend the rest of the s._e._c. absolutely shit the bed the top tier like tennessee certainly not tennessee but we're gonna talk about the top performers in the mid west and want to kind of update you on where we're waiting on. I tunes in spotify and all them to approve the feed for this podcast. This show the minutes of the midwest show so in in the meantime. We're gonna put it on our menace to society feeds so you can listen to it and then <hes> hopefully tomorrow <hes> really by the time this drops publicly that feed should be available so search for menace to the mid west is the podcast show and so go on their subscribe so you can listen to this show as well as the menace to society show that we've i've been doing now for twenty five episodes <hes> but but let's take a look at the the mid west top performers obviously we're going to jump into ohio state here in a minute and analyze that game and the top performers members of that game but outside of ohio state there was some there's people that went off this weekend for sure for sure <hes> <hes> the the the big debate right now right or at least leading into the season and was shape patterson and justin fields and obviously justin feels played extremely well and we'll talk about that in a minute but shape patterson played excellent as well both of them <hes> graded out in the top four quarterback performances of the weekend in the country. <hes> shape patterson was four th justin feels was i and i mean he went seventeen to twenty nine to over two hundred yards. Three touchdowns touchdowns had like a one fifty one q._b._r. Really really played well and i know his receivers played well too so that was a big big game for for shea and in michigan. I don't think it really separated anything. I think they're still shape patterson justin fields. You don't know who's really the better quarterback certainly not. I mean f. a. u. Middle tennessee see. I know this <hes> michigan didn't it was similar performances. I mean michigan beat middle tennessee forty two twenty one ohio state beat f._a._u. Forty five twenty one. I mean very very similar. You know it's a game one q._b. One week one nothing to get to shot in the ass about playing against the same team pretty much. They had the same opponent some of them penn state played idaho not on the same level seventy nine to seven that was ridiculous michigan. Ohio state maryland played howard. I mean i'll tell you this. You know who else had had a game and he's already been called. A heisman candidate preseason heisman hope jonathan taylor jonathan taylor wisconsin was ridiculous. I mean he graded <music> out eighty four percent on the game he had eighteen touches for one hundred eighty three yards and four touchdowns. He looked like saquon out there he was he was ridiculous. I mean he had over ten in yards. Every time he touched the ball on average he has six runs of more than ten yards which is lead the big ten right now <hes> he definitely he had a game for him and and in south florida's a good defense. I was forty nine nothing but it was forty nine nothing because of jonah the taylor he <hes> he had a game and you know who else was impressive. I dunno i didn't i had had to go back and watch the highlights and break those down because i could not watch the whole game and seventy nine to seven trouncing of idaho by penn state but <hes> the freshman freshman they have devon ford mayonnaise he explosive he only had six carries and went for over one hundred hundred seven yards one touchdown he averaged seventeen point eight yards per carry and i get it. I know it's idaho people say it's alright home though yeah well we house they played f._a._u. <hes> michigan played middle tennessee state so that is a big big you performance from him so i'm excited to watch him play this year. The other guy who everyone expects to go off and did go off his rondell more know purdue lost. I know they look bad against nevada but he had eleven catches hundred twenty four yards and a touchdown. He played extremely well and obviously very disappointing. Their produce quarterback. We're back did not play. Well and i guess credited nevada thirty one thirty four. They pull off the win i was i was talking to somebody earlier this week again. After that nevada's not a terrible program i mean they're they're an eight win program most years. They're not bad but produce should beat them. My favorite thing i don't know if it was during the game or on a highlights sites and one of the common i could. I should do an entire segment on how commentators pissed me off because there's so many but i mean one of the guy said he was talking about something about nevada the players they have and how they were this relative unknown and he was like i i mean i i probably. I bet you couldn't name one quarterback to play it. In nevada data one quarterback and i was like excuse me bitch a quarterback there was one that was in the heisman race a few years back and not only that but like he's he's in the he's in the news all the time. I mean colin kaepernick heard of him ever i you couldn't name one quarterback that plate nevada. Maybe pick a different position. He was a beast in nevada too but i mean we'll pick a different school a different position something like what he's one of the most notable quarterbacks especially i was. I i was speechless. I was like he didn't just say that. I i can name i. I thought it was a joke but then he didn't throw the punch line in there. I was like wow we're paying these. Someone's paying. These people. Just remember for that but yeah so obviously bad game for purdue good game for rondell. I'd say the other kid that i watched a i watched a half was the kid jacob yaakob my guy defensive ever michigan state he. He added three tackles for loss to q._b. Hurries two forced fumbles. It's not an explosive win over tulsa twenty eight to seven they. They won pretty handily and he went. He had a game so i'm so i'll be so excited if mark dantonio can have a mark dantonio tonio s. defense this year because he has been lacking at the big ten is missed it. It's time to to have that back so those are our top performers of the week in the midwest. Obviously notre dame louisville tonight so we look for some notre dame man to make that list moving forward but overall the big ten didn't have a horrible day. I'll tell you what the bottom tier. The big ten really played well. Rutgers beat umass forty eight twenty one you had penn state will these at the bottom of the big ten but tell about blowouts maryland beat eight hundred seventy nine zero illinois beat akron forty two to three so some of those lower tiers if we can get that lower tier the big ten to raise their game. You want to talk about the best conference in college football while you gotta chance now because you look at lower tier the s._e._c. which we're going to talk about in the medicine society show a little bit later but they did not fare so well now. Obviously we had some some. I guess lack of performances when you look at like nebraska only one in thirty five to twenty one against south alabama and you obviously then you had the upsets right or the upset purdue. Losing nevada was rough but i think wisconsin win is huge for the conference u._s._s. Not a bad team. Yeah i think the conferences whole as a whole really performed well the top tier ohio state penn state eight michigan. They took care of business. They did what they should have done. They weren't perfect but they did what they needed to do. The middle of the the big ten really there was some <hes> minnesota was one that was embarrassing. Really i mean they are almost losing lost the game and they were the kickoff big ten game. They were there the intro to the conference and it was like they almost lost to a f._c. Team come on come on p._j. Which nobody in a big five or a power five conference should ever lose to f._c._s. team of course not the one game aimed i think was the most disappointing was the game of the week in the mid west northwestern stanford that was not only disappointing because northwestern was so bad and their quarterback play was so bad bad but it was it was disappointing. Stanford was so bad yeah. Both teams were bad. It was a really boring game to watch and and a guy that i i really liked on film last talked about him. In the off seasons cage acosta he just played average at best he no he didn't he play below average but we're going to get into that game at the end of the show definitely want to go from here to kind of as a wrap up of the big ten the players and and really want to talk about the buckeyes in week one so how about the buckeyes took on the mighty lane kiffin florida the atlantic als and overall. I think it was a decent first game. You know solid <hes> we'll kind of go through what my opinions are. What i saw that i thought was was excellent. What i saw that needs to be improved by week two because after watching cincinnati game that's a real one. He is not going to be a cakewalk a better be ready for sure but i mean overall four hundred sixty nine yards seven fourteen on third downs. That's fifty percent not terrible. I think justin feels played really well. <hes> i actually graded out the highest quarterback in the group of five the power five in the country. I think it's great was ninety point four which is extremely high so he had the highest grade in the country and then he also had two big drops caja had a drop in the first quarter and chris alavi had one in the second quarter so he probably lost. I obviously two completions but another eighty yards passing those were downfield really good throws he was he also was ninety four percent completion percentage when he was kept clean so we'll talk about the line a little bit here in a minute but this line and pass broken cleanup and become a solid aspect for this team watch out. He was number one in all of college football football completing the ball when he was kept clean so that's going to be the key moving forward. Keep this kid clean not only because clearly they have no other option at quarterback but also because because he's ridiculous when you give him the space to be ridiculous yeah. I think every buckeye fan probably cringed a little bit on that first blitz by f._a._u. When it feels really took a big hit and went down throwing arm and you know luckily he was fine you know that's why they have re protectors and all that geared during his okay and i and that's going to be a part of the new video putting out for patriotic and i'm gonna put one out for patriot one for just general public called film forensics because that's one of the place that breaking down because j._k. Dobbins flat had an and protection and i told you in the preview show j._k. Needs to be better and paseo that has to happen and it didn't happen. I mean he had a complete bust in pass bro. He bypassed the linebacker that he was supposed to block and that linebacker hit justin fields that can't happen not if we're going to if estates and go out and win the big ten that can't happen. They need a running back. That is excellent impasse bro and that's what that's what zeke was has carlos hyde was. That's what j._k. Needs to be for sure. The only the only real negative i could say about justice fields is and it's not a negative. It's first first game game of the year most quarterbacks i mean almost every school in the country would kill for a performance like justice fields heads so we're really nitpicking here but he does need to clean up his timing a little bit he was laid on a couple of quick game throws and a movement throw the and being especially a movement throw like a rollout that can be disastrous. If you're late i mean the whole defense is pursuing and versus better defense. Both of those can be problematic if he doesn't get it fixed but fortunately it was f._a._u. Is going through the grades. After i've watched the film i thought justin fields obviously played extremely well. I thought you know what kudos to brandon bow and grading out at eighty two percent at first game back. That's that's big time they need to. They need that jeremy rucker. How about him unbelievable. I mean he he he really burst on the scene and we're gonna talk about some things that need improved moved on especially the tight end position before catches thirty eight yards two touchdowns greater doubt it at seventy five percent i mean that was really excellent game for area the other one joan jackson so the two the two new guys on the offense line essentially graded out the highest on the offensive line and then ben victor and austin matt graded out decently high to <hes> <hes> some some disappointing i guess points of need to improve for the buckeyes the first and foremost offense align <hes> it was it. I wouldn't seen a bomb a nation. It wasn't terrible but why davis played very average. Josh alabi when he went in the game was very average in the run game but josh josh albee is a very athletic tackle. He graded out really well impasse bro but when it came to the run game and moving people and being tough he wasn't there. He didn't show up but the really really the old enters a whole did that. You didn't see a ton of just displacement f._a._u. You shoulda saw major displacement and the other thing. I saw that it was very concerning is there was twice in the first half that we seven-man pass protection. We kept the tight end and back in and they've had a three man. Rush and fields got pressured twice. I i mean just you do the math. That's more than a double team on each guy so we had to ohio state players on one player across the board and they still got pressure now schematically. I'm not a huge fan of that because anytime you have seven man pro versus three men rush there have a lot of guys in coverage covering covering your four people right really three people because the quarterbacks throwing the ball so you have now. You have eight people covering three hard to get open so schematically. I really hate that package but i know kevin wilson had success with it at indiana. It's more of a temple thing usually but it was not not that impressive and and and then i really people i know buckeye fans or just on cloud nine right now think we could beat the patriots. I thought it was an average average. First game above average will say above average. I game jay dobbins was was okay. I mean twenty one carries ninety one yards four point three yards a carry in like i mentioned in the past bro he still liability ability and we also can't be we can't afford fumbles. Come on i first game of the year and we have a fumble already from j._k. And here's the problem with that. I know we have the mario mccall right mario but that's what killed mike webber's career not killed it but that's why he didn't have a better career. He fumbled all the time and so he saw himself on the bench. The question is going to be if jay has a fumble issue if he's not gonna hold the ball high and tight like he's supposed to will we will ohio state bench inch j._k. Dobbins and make tomorrow the guy well. I think if you look at it tomorrow really only touch the ball three times in the game so he didn't really get as many touches. I thought what if you go by total number touch mark master teague looks like the second beck yeah no but that's i mean that's because it's a blow out in in the running the clock out in the four-minute offense camario was the second back he was back in. I mean massar. Teague is a good clean cleanup guy. He's a good he's a good mop up duty running back. I mean he runs. It's hard hits the whole hard. I don't think he's going to be too certainly not not a to that we did ohio state needs and we'll see if the mario does that also i mean that's that's up up for up to be seen right. I did think i also thought the perimeter blocking was little sloppy. Which again you you sometimes have that ah i game <hes> but i think people might take for granted. How well edge was blocked. When urban was there and that i think that needs to be improved majorly <hes> <hes> and and it will it'll it'll get it'll get an improve focus and improved but but we're running these perimeter run plays and we need to block the edge or the perimeter rump plays where the edge is not blocked well those are negative yardage plays and demoralizing because you have to be able to stretch the defense horizontally in order for the interior run game to work right simple as that. I did think they had some good some really. I really like some of the scheme stuff they did. The cross released by the tight ends that a burst jeremy <unk> wide open for a touchdown and then they did a little schemed up play for what is read cover to the bench victor touchdown. I mean they were they were messing. Some were caja in the slot kind of trying to figure out who's covering cagey the safety or corner there and they're trying to read it and then ends up the doesn't have enough depth and ben's just wide open. I love that and i think one of the biggest concerning thing not concerning things but one thing that ohio state fans need to watch out for moving forward is what happened to ohio state after after they kind of exploded in the first half after the first twenty eight after the first quarter is f._a._u. Obviously made some adjustments. Ohio state obviously was kind of getting production that was higher than their performance. They had a couple of big plays couple pop plays. He just feels papa fifty one yard run you had been victor wide open jeremy record wide open so after they got those adjustments down the one thing they started doing that really gave us problems as they started adding their boundary corner into the run fits both in post snap squeeze and also a few corner blitz in ohio state did not handle it well. This will continue to resurface now. After what i watched on film every defense you watch cincinnati the same thing because every everyone's a copycat in college football they see something that we did it all the time on offense you see some that works and you're like oh we need to do that and then all of a sudden you put it in for that week so you're going to see these teams adding the boundary corner in the run fit quite a bit now until we can either block it with the receiver or office allies starts starts seeing an accounting for for it and <hes> that's that's going to be a major thing that defense is going to do to allow state until they show they can manage it and it should be a major point of emphasis moving forward kevin wilson and really <hes> greg said roya. I'll tell you another thing. I saw darren. Lee actually mentioned it on twitter. How about the buckeyes going under centers yeah under center using like many that was a a a no that made a lot of fans happy well. I love it. I think it's it's something that i know. Ryan wanted to do for the last two years and never got around to doing it really committing to it at least especially dwayne he wanted to do it <hes> but that's something it does oh so much for the offense and and it does take an element of the quarterback back read run game stuff out of it but at the end of the day it is kind of nice to have back set at seven yards at the top of what would be and just roll downhill and take take take a hand off right the other thing it. Did i mean you you watch chris alavi touchdown where he just absolutely made the corner look ridiculous flip them around in circles he kind of gave a a go router or fade route stem and then snapped off a post spongy corner around but that happened that whole thing was wide open. I mean no chris. Alavi did a great job handling handling the corner but you watch just feels take a snap under center turn his back to the defense present the ball the running back rolls over at the whole defense is like three hearts from the line of scrimmage scrimmage and now just field pops up and it's just chris alavi thirty five yards downfield by himself and it's just beautiful the hard play action you can have under center is awesome and <hes> we already talked about it. <hes> i think that j._k. Bust and pass pro where our christopher. We're just took a shot and then alavi dropped the ball one. I was really impressed with justin fields on that play. I mean he has a guy unblocked at the running back made didn't block and all of a sudden now he's letting the ball loose and really puts it on the money to chris alavi with a guy barreling going down in his face. That was really impressive to me. <hes> another thing that i saw was too many sloppy blocking schemes upfront <hes> several clips poor landmarks poor any any points footwork that needs cleaned up even watch if you go back and watch justin fields fifty one yard run. You'll see thera mumford. He is on the left. He's playing left tackle right. This is quarterback zone to left. His only job is to not get beat to the right. That's like the office line calls it inside v he's gotta take the block off on the guys is inside v of his neck and as long as he keeps that guy on his left he did his job like he could literally fall down and as long as that defender doesn't cross his face. He did his job and he's still got cross faced and you watch it. Thank god fields can run because that guy. I mean it was almost a trip up tackle and you're like come on fair. That's an easy block man. You have hard blocks and blocks. That's an easy. That's an effort block so that was as a whole the whole game that was a little concerning and then it shows how fickle oh college football is. I mean twenty eight. Nothing just absolutely role in second and three on the twenty two yard line in the red zone and chris alavi gets gets called for a clear push. Oh shaw p._i. That was so unnecessary and now momentum was shot right and i think that was that was the turning point where you saw f._a._u. Kind of change what they were doing doing they adjusted and then you also saw the momentum kind of die down. It never really shifted obviously but it died down a little bit but as a hold offense that's played well but i think the story of the game really was the the different identity on defense. I haven't seen that in the horseshoe in probably ten years. The defense definitely looked a lot better than oh. I thought and i hope that they were being very vanilla because it was f._a. F._a._a. you well. We'll find out this week because i mean the one thing i will say is. I'm not a fan of. Let's put it this way. I love the bail corner stuff. They were doing with a corner lines or plays off and i love cover three. We also because of the way they're coaching cover three nowadays. It's hard coverage to beat and that's obviously going to be a mainstay like a staple of his defense but but i will say this is how we're gonna play actually we if that's how ohio states couldn't play the rest of the year be prepared for little easy completions for minimal the yard is small check downs open. There was a there was a handful like just throwing hitches out to the flats because avoided area right in my opinion bail off coverage is it should be a change up if you're ohio state if you have jeff okuda playing corner to have him play off bail. Every snap nap is just absolutely idiotic so much talent out there that you just are under utilizing and i'm sure they're not going to. I'm sure this is just just playing their defenses against f._a._u. Yeah and they're going to get out of it and now they get to go play cincinnati and throw some wrinkles adam. Throw some curve balls and i'd like to see a little a little more press but overall. I really liked the defensive performance. I'll tell you what i love is me in the middle at middle linebacker. Maliki harrison middle linebacker was awesome and then you look at the breakdown of snaps. Here's what i saw. Here's what here's what the defensive staff told me from how they played pete warner. They love him played fifty seven snaps apps most the most of all linebackers so there's a lot of conversation about should be in their their answer is yes. He should and then a tough borland. There's a lot of conversation about him and i know we talked about our washington kind of blowing up for his guy. Tough borland played thirty four snaps in bear browning played thirty four snaps so they're splitting time we can say tufts. The guy tufts the guy. They're splitting time right now. At other linebacker spot the one that it's not splitting much time as i said pete warner and then too raja played twenty three snaps so so they're getting guys in there. I know it was f._a._u. But the clear battle right here to me is barren and tough borland because although people are calling for barron browning he had four targeted throws in the game four receptions for fifty five yards so every wants to talk about tough can't run put in barron. He's a better athlete. He did not cover oh well against f._a._u. At all and he graded out at fifty eight percent so let's call them down on the bench tough. Put bear in because right now. Tough is the best option from what i saw on that film. Now i'm not saying tough is a great option. I'm saying he's the best option and we need to get more out of barron. Browning and toronto mitchell because roger didn't great out that well l. either but the highest rated linebacker was tough borland. I mean he graded out at seventy one percent. He's he graded higher than pete to raja barron barron. I'd stay back maliki. Maliki rated alex seventy seven but i mean of linebackers in contention right but the defense is a whole i mean here's what you here's what you saw jeff. Okuda is special and you'd better enjoy him for four more months. Definitely a top drag because that's all you got the top ten. It's like the owners of the indian set about french door. Disa listen in gonna be here much longer. Just enjoy him while he's here yeah because he is special man. He is special. Yeah i think we talked about it on the preview show or several times through the off season about jeff okuda i mean he he is when i watch him he reminds me of denzel war rooms like that type of corner and he he has a chance to be the next big thing out of ohio states back defensive the defense about u._b. You and you know what i haven't watched the entire country yet but i've been able to evaluate probably what fifteen games so far week one and i'll probably watch a couple more here in the next couple l. days but what i've seen the two corners i've seen her c. J. anderson at florida and then jeff okuda ohio state the biggest differences both similar and coverage both are long both are fluid both can run both are blanket cover corners. The differences okuda will come and make contact. You'll tackle. You and that's so huge. That's what i saw just this bleak. I thought thought he was like a lot like greedy but then now looking at him. He's more denzil ward. Well come up and hit you just end zone. Greedy does not do that and you know what i'll tell you what the most impressive thing that i watch four is when he does it. He gets up with attitude like he wants to do it. He's not doing it because he has to do it. He wants to make that tackle. He wants to take out your kneecaps and flip you over. He wants to come up and make those plays and that was so he played you better. You better enjoy him. <hes> for for the next twelve games or whatever it is because that's that's about the end i think gi probably sit out the bowl game to visit the defense as a bizarre random thing to bring up. We'll just saying he's not going to sit aalto ballgame unless they lose three games and go to a shitty bowl then i would sit out to. I'll tell you the other guy that only played seventeen snaps on defense. <hes> was brennan white which was really surprising me played seventeen snaps on defense and graded seventy nine percent fourth highest grade on defense and so a lot of i don't know if it was a <hes> there was a reason for that but i'd like to see more brennan white but the other story line here that that is i mean it was predicted. It was said had to be this way but the defense line was ridiculous. I mean out of the top seven players one two three four of them are defensive lineman top seven grades. It's four d. Lineman will you would just you knew chase young would be looking good out there. I knew he was a monster have his day and chase young graded out at like six six v best on defense. The guy that was so impressive to me was jay sean cornell. He graded out eighty nine percent. He was a monster. Those zone reads those those reversed versus zone reads or whatever you wanna call them with the jet sweep breeds he was taken away both all game and just just tracking people down so he played. He played outstanding him and bb. Landers were the two the highest grades and they played outstanding yeah. I was gonna say. I saw a lot of b._b._c. I know he had to grade out pretty high. Yeah i mean he he greeted out really high and the overall kind of analysis. I think this going back to the off. Coverage in the in the soft coverage are starting the ohio state starting corners. There's were targeted and coverage twelve times right. Semi's a ball was thrown to their guy twelve times and there was nine receptions that just shows you the minimal amounts of contested throws right because they only got forty six yards on those nine receptions five yards a catch and that's okay. That's that's that's what if that's what will how states are going to do then then. You have to be prepared for that. There's gonna be some easy throws. There's gonna be some little things that happen some easy completions but i i would imagine that they will start changing it up a little bit <hes> moving moving forward as we start getting into the meat of the big ten schedule. The two two things that i saw on special teams that i think are critical is one is three point stances on punt return. I don't know if people even ever noticed that paid attention to that but we used to. When when i was at ohio state we were we were dominant in punt returner pump block and we were a three point stance operation that meant that there was a threat of rushing the punt every snap and then carry combs and graciano decided to change it must have been three years ago and then it was a complete fall off in production. I mean the the punt team knew that they were that no one when was rushing because they were in two point stances there was this mirror cornerback technique bullshit and all of a sudden guys are running down free and we couldn't. We couldn't return a punt. What you saw in this game was three point. Stance is across the board the threat of rush. I mean i loved it and you saw great hold up. The punt. Return team could be something special. If we get a special guy catching the pun. I mean the mario. Obviously you could tell he was dinged up. He wasn't running well but i i think that'll he'll develop and get healthy. Maybe that guy but we need a dynamic returner the other other thing you saw on special teams as we cannot kickoff worth shit. I said i was worried about it all the last month and i'll say it again. We are one hundred and second in america on our kickoff times in in length. We cannot kick the ball off and we don't know if we can kick field goals because it was just a blowout blow out. We just kick an extra point. You need to yeah. I am concerned about the kicker situation but i love the punt return again though overall. I think it was a quality first game. There's obviously always going to be things in the first game that you need to clean up but i think the biggest thing that i saw in heard on social social media and even when i watched some of the post game reports it's it's it's one over inflation of how well they played in the first quarter and to a <hes> an over deflation of how bad it dropped off because college football so momentum oriented that is that is the name of the game and you you start getting getting a couple explosive plays all of a sudden. You're rolling downhill on somebody. All you need is one thing or two things in succession to happen and the whole momentum changes and like i said f. a. u. Made some good adjustments on defense but you're up twenty eight nothing second three in the red zone going in now. You're backed up fifteen yards. The very next play justin fields throws a poorly thrown bubble to gear it wilson luke feral completely whiffs is block and now it's a fumble f. a. u. ball now the whole game. He's turned and it's it's not that oh we got conservative. Play calling another call in the same place. They were calling the same place until until the second half. I thought right one was twenty juanita zero. I thought it was just going to be eighty eight zero game over a everyone did that's why there was like this. Oh what happened what happened right then and of course it always always turns to the coaches started being conserved coaches. This is like playing trestle ball out there. I mean it it literally similar play calls and f._a._u. Change their game plan. They're hitting. They're hitting these three. You know max pro isolation shots like chris alive as touchdown and then you had the double tight end and switch touchdown. I mean some of these things they're calling. They call them later in the game but now if i use dropping eight people in coverage and they're rushing three in getting pressure like the play calls those weren't that different. Let's not actually we took our foot off the gas. I heard that fifty times from all these analysts oh well you know i think how it really took their foot off the gas no they didn't they just didn't execute execute as well and if you changed over what they were doing. They're still on the gas. What do they were pushing the brakes. You put it in reverse. I got you foot off the gas. Put it in reverse. I stop it but <hes> that's what happens in college football and i mentioned before luke ferro needs to play better he does he had like five blocks in the first quarter and a half and and if he doesn't i hate to break it to you jeremy records or starting tight end boys as i don't even know if it's looks like yeah i don't even know if it's close i mean farrell graded out at fifty two percent and forty forty two percent in the past game and and he missed five blocks so i mean and jeremy record graded out seventy five percent you're talking about opposite ends of the office of greats so so i'm excited about jeremy rucker. I think he's going to be a really great player. Obviously urban made those comments on air. I think it was yesterday or maybe saturday that jeremy rucker was the best tight end prospect. He's ever recruited and i agree with that statement. I'd actually disagree with that statement. Entirely aaron hernandez was but this this caring but but as far as a pure tight end probably like a guy that might actually put his face on a six techniques events the big wide receiver which is what hernandez was but yeah so i'm that's an exciting thing. I think buckeye fan should be fired up about record and we need better out of luke feral for sure so overall. I think good week for the buckeyes good week one for the buckeyes. I'll tell you the disappointing joining game for the midwest and the big ten had to be the north western stanford game. I mean that was that was an abomination of what should have been a great game. Northwestern just looked awful yeah. Well you know who look awful. Really is hunter johnson and we talked about him was highly touted highest ranked quarterback to ever play for pat fitzgerald transfers in from clemson and he played hor horrific. I'll tell you what clemson does not miss him. No no they don't and there's no secret as to why trevor lawrence beat them out but <hes> just when i watch that's the game i broke down the film i mean he was throwing the ball late. He was missed making misreads inaccurate as all get out. I mean he had a q._b._r. Listless four for i don't know if that like not like four attempts like his q._b. Rating was a four four like we talked about earlier in the show shape. Patterson's persson's was a one v one two or something like that. He was a four yeah. I think the scale goes from zero to one sixty or something right right around that so shape patterson pretty close to perfect act one hundred johnson pretty close to as bad as positive as bad as you could be as bad as it could be so his overall great for the game was thirty nine percent and to be honest. I think the most disappointing part was his his counterpart cagey costello forty seven percent greed and i mean he he didn't play well either and he's he's supposed to be a top ten quarterback order back in the country katya customer. He got injured in the second quarter. I believe right. I wonder how bad that injury is. We'll see i guess but <hes> <hes> it was just a very lackluster game northwestern played terrible. I mean they've five five of fourteen on third down. That's a little over thirty three percent you you're not you're not gonna win a game. If you don't convert on money downs and you don't protectable they had four turnovers and thirty three off around thirty three percent on third down. You can't win the game that way. You and i think think if you really look at the game what i'm curious to find out as the season goes on is are these both teams are both teams defenses good enough to make the offense this this batter these offenses this bad. I mean you look at who's one of the better backs in the big ten. Only ten carries fifty four yards just over five yards a carry and then <hes> cameron scarlet for stanford only four yards a carry so the run defense was decent <hes> but i don't know how good they either these teams yeah i worried worried about north western trying to run the ball on stanford's front anyways but <hes> so that wasn't that surprising to me <hes> the one thing i'll say who played really exceptional for stanford and northwestern northwestern didn't have a skill player that could play at this level was the corner. They have paulson a depot. He shutdown everyone covered. I mean whoever he was on a granite. He was covering a above average players but he had thirty seven snaps in coverage only five targets so that most of the time they were so covered they didn't throw it to him and then when they did throw it to him five times there was one catch for seven yards any also had to use in an interception free interception if you saw it but it goes back to one hundred johnson throwing the ball late but i ah he actually shut them all down and north western just didn't have the skill they didn't scare you talk about a bad defense northwestern if you look at their entire defense player by player in the how they graded out their entire secondary graded out outside of their top fifteen defensive performers worse so they had fifteen players that great it out higher on that defense than anyone in their secondary and that's terrible because you look at the stats stanford. We didn't even throw the ball that well. That's a bad bad deal. And what a bad game. I mean it was it was miserable. I zero zero it ends. I'm like wow this is this. This is bad ball and then stanford puts up ten points to go intend nothing at half and i'm sitting here like this might be ten in the final score and then it was ten nothing after the third quarter so i yeah i think i think it really might be yeah. I talked to people a little bit about this game because obviously he he had north western getting three and a half he was not very happy with the end that game where the the sack fumble that the miss the ball in the end zone they gotta touchdown to go up ten really screwed him well. That's what happens. That's that's in that crazy. That's how it works. It's in the bag. We got it down by three games about the end. I got three and a half and then boom touchdown fluke play. It's over that happened a number of a number of things <hes> with over under it'll have state. I know there was a late field goal that changed that one but but but overall i think this was the most disappointing aspect of the mid west football. This week was just the fact that northwestern couldn't even play halfway halfway decent like we were that is you're looking at a lower to middle tier big ten team against the middle to slightly upper taylor pac twelve team. Just make it a game like play competitive. Make it entertaining and give bid big ten a good reputation right. You look at that that game should have been similar to the auburn oregon game now. Those two teams are not near the level of auburn oregon but similar matchups right similar comparative match watch up and it just wasn't and it was just a shame but i will tell you that was <hes> that was a good week. One glad glad we got that under our belt really excited about week to. I know there's some some in big games. <hes> i want to say big games. It's similar week to week one. I know how state has a much bigger test. 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Playoff and Bowl Recaps

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Playoff and Bowl Recaps

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Today's show as you know this is sort of in the wake of the college football playoffs. Both games were played it yesterday. So we're going to go through those at the very top of the show. Were also going to recap a bunch of the other bolt action that has been going on since we last spoke and I believe we have five other games on like a bull mini barge that we need to address before we before we part ways here the tug bowl. That sounds weird. That sounds crazy about it but I think we stick with it. Yeah I think we start with the big stuff up front. I mean this is college football. It's all big stuff. Let's start with the playoff and I know you have a number of thoughts. Let's go through all of the action. I believe it's the Gasparilla bowl was where we left off recapping. We had those few games that opening Saturday. But we have not recap since because I've been on the road. You've been busy with the holidays and we wanted some time to breathe but we've got a lot to rifle through lots of rifle through. Let's start at the very top here with number one. Lsu and number four Oklahoma. Dan This is a game. You might remember point. Spread about fourteen points I think when we previewed it was a little bit less than that. We both said why I seen sue whom that seems. He's like a lot of points for a really good really good Oklahoma team with a solid off. It's been of a questionable defense but nonetheless they can they can put up points right well final score here. LSU Sixty Three Oklahoma twenty eight. Yeah you know like like I generally like to avoid just reading the stats. In calling that a game recap right because our fans are smart enough that they can go out talks Gore and read a game cap and you know figure it out on their own. I just have to read some of these stats if late. Let Me Show Berle twenty nine of thirty nine for four ninety three and seven touchdowns seven touchdowns mind you in the first frigging half half the passing touchdown by the way throwing a one on the ground for good measure early in the second half. That's right seven passing touchdowns. He was responsible for eight. Because of the rushing shing touchdown four of his passing touchdowns went to Justin Jefferson who also had a monster game with fourteen grabs for two hundred in twenty seven yards. There were only two. LSU drives that did not result in points one was a punt on their second drive. The other was a missed field. Goal Dan just an incredible offense of showing by Lsu. I don't know if they made it to seven hundred yards of felt like one hundred seventeen million your heart's in this game but but Wow what a showing you somehow sold. LSU's performance Shino and that's the thing that's such go ahead continue but that is such that you could point. It's it was an incredible watch and it almost wasn't surprising. It was surprising that they won by so many in that Oklahoma was just unable to respond with any sort of consistency. They did get what it was seven. All the long past two CD lamb gets around to the three Kennedy Punches in after Lsu. I think it was a three play. Play opening drive with the field would LSU was able to do. It almost reminded me a little bit of an. I don't know how much you watch like when Steph. Curry Curry was at David censure playing like Georgetown Wisconsin. We'd like you knew what was about to happen. You knew that there was very little you could do you just sort of had to hope to weather weather it and do your own thing at the same time and even still even knowing what was you know. There's a storm common. Even still what else let's see was able to do was so unbelievable on a stage like this granted Oklahoma's defense with its own struggles and even with some improvement in the big twelve. AWW obviously personnel lies. They lose a corner to targeting it. Just the depth. Wasn't there the talent wasn't there. Obviously the suspensions hurt as well up front but what Lsu she was able to do and granted they have a Belinda. Cov Award winner. who was largely held in check and it doesn't matter because Thad Moss terrace is Marshall and obviously Justin Jefferson counting off the touchdowns in the end zone as he's scoring them is more than enough and it? It also be relatively easy to overlook the fact that Clyde Edwards layered makes no difference in this game because of a hamstring injury. Chris does a nice job especially in the second half stepping in. It was Davis prices. Well got some carries that didn't matter the depth of what Lsu was able to do. And what you can only do I guess in terms of praying against Joe Borough like this. This is a conversation. We'll have a head of the national championship game. But all you can do to defend offend Joe Borough and this passing attack these receivers and these coordinators is hope for drops hope because plus if you flush him out out of the pocket he might even be better if you try to confuse him. It probably won't work if you give him time and can generate a pass rush that's it that's it for Lsu and your hopes against them. I just I came away so thoroughly impressed with the fact that they just continue to get better the fact that the defense constant pressure on jalen hurts in this Oklahoma offense. which when you have to keep up with Lsu and your defense isn't able to do its job Rob Oklahoma's offense had to had to do something beyond perfection to hang with Lsu and they were underwhelming? That's nowhere near good enough. I'm glad you brought that up so two things first off. You're right the box score only tells part of the story. Yeah it felt like an even bigger mismatch somehow watching the game live five and secondly on the point of the defense the LSU defense continued. I think it's upward trajectory. They've gotten better. Throughout the course of the year and granted. This was a runaway train. This game was a runaway train. But the defense I thought did a superb job here against one of the better offenses is in the country. I sort of have expected a late surge from Oklahoma where they'd come back maybe not to win the game but to try and challenge the point spread because that's what some of us are friends in the desert might care about misrepresent the final score to be up forty nine to fourteen at half has LSU. He was and maintain that intensity maintain. Just that composure That's a hard thing to do. That speaks to character actor that speaks to coaching. That speaks to whatever the Hell Magic Potion Edwards. Ron is found this year because they were really good. And I think that's going to be completely glossed over because of the offensive output. Yes one hundred percent at one point Jalen hurts was four fifteen deep into the first half. As Joe Borough had more touchdown passes than Jalen hurts. Head completions you had that weird segue what was it Sean McDonough and who is who is the analyst for this Games at blackledge. Judge Todd Blackledge Yakking. About like well Jalen hurts is a pretty good shot of succeeding the NFL. Thanks to Lamar. Jackson has done in opening doors for dual threats and forming NFL No jalen hurts wasn't doing it against Lsu jail the NFL's harder the NFL's harder than Lsu. That weird sort of aside in the game and obviously the incomprehensible incomprehensively tragic elements Maui and Harley mccord's winger the LSU offensive coordinator's daughter-in-law in on that plane crash. And you know this is not. I'm not positioning this. As like overcoming the adversity of what Stephen Singer did it's just I can't imagine the emotion going going through him that the fact that he was even able to be in the stadium is proving. I can't I can't even wrap my head around how awful everything you know as a a story happening on the same day I just so so awful style is tough that was signing an incredible story with Lsu moving onto the national championship camping chip putting You know punctuation on just an incredible season but man the clouds over. LSU's Day were crazy. Thoughts out to the end Springer Fan. Yeah that's tough one to hear that news shortly before kick-off on her way to the game. LS which is yes just brutal but LSU does win in resounding resounding fashion sixty three to twenty eight in your first playoff semifinal. Obviously set a whole bunch of peachable records winning that football game game so with that being said LSU punched its ticket. They are installed. I believe early as a five or five and a half point point favorite over the Clemson. Tigers `wow clemson will be going back to the national championship game to defend their title. They won semi final number. Two to out at the Fiesta Bowl by twenty nine to twenty three margin. This is a fun game through and through Ohio state jumps out to an early sixteen to nothing lead and I thought looked really really good. Felt like they had a good handle on this game. Yeah but nonetheless clemson comes back. They make sixteen fourteen at half goes to twenty one sixteen. I believe midway through the third quarter back back and forth the rest of the way clemson scores with about two minutes left to go up. Twenty nine twenty. Three and Ohio state had a shot. Then they really really truly had a shot to win it. But Chris Alavi breaks off his room I think lava came back to he thought fields was scrambling so he tried to to peel back to help block. Justin Justin fields is looking for the Post Nolan. Turner was looking for the interception and the end of the game effectively. He falls in the ball in the end zone and Clemson marches on Dan outstanding. Game all around. What are your thoughts here? How do you feel so first of all? Let's start with you. Talk About Ohio state going sixteen nothing with an asterisk in that it felt like it was thirty one. Nothing it did. It felt like you have incredible play from JK Dobbins Dobbins with was damn near seventy yard was on the first play of a drive. Right a seventy yard touchdown run and it it sort of underscored the element of JK AK Dobbins. Where I was trying to think about what like a real life comparison would be in trying to figure out how to deal with Jacob Dobbins in the open field and all I could come back with was like if there were a runaway jukebox? Coming down a hill at you and you somehow had to tackle it and stop it in dead in its tracks I just. JK Okay Dobbins. Is that incredible of a player and the explosive the explosive plays in this game came to define the outcome along with some other things so Ohio a high state you know he has the drop. Jacob says the drop on a screen he has the past that ultimately hits the ground That looked like it was in the immediate aftermath touchdown but ruled an incomplete. Pass I I'm sure. Ohio state fans with all of their emotions saw that and said even with how good they've been a great. They've been how good good they've been in the second. Half of games against Wisconsin both times really pouring it on and Clemson's a different animal that you see those missed opportunities and I remember you know having the same emotion with Oregon Both against the National Championship game early on with missed opportunities even Auburn this season. You're like I understand that. They have the lead but they need every every ounce they need nose to tail success against a team like Clemson that you can't leave points like that on the field. And so I imagine the trepidation and fear in the hearts parts of Ohio state fans at that point even still even with the momentum if you believe in it changing run from Trevor Lawrence before the half another seventy yard run which just just incredible incredible even with that even with travesty. That was a long scream past the third quarter. Yes even even with that even with. What's his name Sean Wade getting ojected for an no-ho state or Clemson fan will be happy no matter how anybody discussing gusts this targeting penalty and injection. Even with that which I felt was sort of a letter call but not a spirit call if that makes any sense as Trevor Lawrence was sort of ducking his head Ed and I didn't feel like wait. was launching himself maliciously. In the way that like a whole Oklahoma's corner was injected for that For the hit he had on Clyde Edwards Blair even with that even with the fumble return for a touchdown that's called back and got it Kinda looked like a cat and we're going to have to talk about that when we were more detail even with that even with Clemson driving the field like they did for that it was a go ahead touchdown. With what a couple of minutes left in the game even even with all of that. I'm not saying going against Ohio state but even having to overcome a a number of things that said Ohio state back from where they thought they should be the house. It was in this game. You know how it was was had the opportunity you had the ball in their hands. You mentioned the play at the end of the game the interception but I thought it was just a remarkable comeback from clemson going going down like they did and coming out as listless just. The passing game seemed off. They really didn't seem to be getting Travis T. N. involved T Higgins leaves for a wide stretch of this game even with all of that for for Clemson to come back like they did for Ohio state to adjust like they did. Even though the second half wasn't great offensively for the Buckeyes I thought thought it was just an unbelievable watch gravy show perspective a great game and especially given the fact that so many of these semi finals have not been competitive. This one did not all fit that mold to things. Yeah two things that jumped out at me. State would just nine points in four trips to the red zone tone. Yeah that's what I'm talking about. Okay that's that's a you can't do it against these excellent just an aunt and be. I thought Ohio last eight defense was really good for the most part. It seemed like Clemson responders were having difficulty for the majority of the game getting open but there were a couple of big plays plays that were killer credit to our friends over at eleven warriors for these stats. Listen to him. Arrive Passes of more than twenty yards. Four runs of more than ten yards and three touchdowns three touchdowns of thirty or more yards. You'll remember going to the season when Ryan Day took over one of the the things they were trying to fix on defense they gave up way too. Many explosion plays a year ago and that seemed to be fixed for the majority of the season until last night last night clemson was able to take advantage. Some of those big explosion plays and I think that was alternately. What ended up making the difference here? Let's go back to that that controversial call late in the third quarter. So if you didn't see it I'm sure you can find it on Youtube or somewhere out there in the interwebs but Justin Ross for Clemson up appears appears to catch a ball and fumble at. That's how it was ruled on the field lead to a scoop and score for Ohio state but then they took another look at it they overturned it saying that he did not complete the process of the catch. I I don't know like I was trying to listen to the explanation explanation from the TV ref. I forget his right and he was basically saying that. Look a lot of these calls are bang. Bang they're gonNA look so much different in slow motion than real time. I'm an which is true. Which is it thank you captain? Obvious I get that. Yeah that's sort of the point right. You can't really use that logic when every other review literally every every other review throughout the course of this game every game relies heavily on slow-motion right so I'm with John. Legend in his angry tweets on this this one Dan what did he say. He said he took three steps with the ball. He took three snack. You said it would seem like that constitutes possession and it should have been ruled a scoop and score for Ohio state nonetheless the drive ends with the Clinton punt on the ensuing possession. Ohio state gets back. Act they throw a pick and just another one of those things that could have gone. Ohio states way didn't Clemson was ultimately able to capitalize in all the import ways and they march onto the championship game. We probably need to have a a sub when we break off. Show maybe about Isaiah Simmons by the way. Oh Oh yeah everywhere he lined up for Clemson's defense and granted. I just didn't watch lot of Clemson this year. I watched Clemson while games were close. But I'm not watching you know full. Oh half of garbage time against you know. Wake or Boston College so you know. He doesn't really get to display what he does against great teams when Clemson just plays in a conference without that many great teams what he was able to do playing center field playing against slot. dudes filling run fits whatever. He is an incredible incredible player. I was watching this game with My cousin and close friend both of whom were less familiar with. Isaiah Simmons Body of Work Shar and I was just pointing out that add as the giants fan in the room or one of two giants fans in the room. Yeah Isaiah Simmons would fit real. Nice where would he fit real nice to just about anywhere. You could play him pretty much anywhere you want at all three levels of the defense and in this game you had the interception you could see him out there as a nickel corner corner. He was playing safety linebacker. AUSE hand on the ground a couple of times. So he's he's versatile modern defender. WHO's GonNa go very high in the draft and we'll no doubt be a terror error for Lsu trying to game plan around him? And I don't know how much it matters because the Lsu offense is so good but that is a topic for another day. Even on those long Ohio Estate Runs it was Isaiah Simmons passing the Clemson. DB's fast dudes passing them in the open field. Yeah hopelessly trying to catch shake dobbins. Who happens to be just another another ten yards he catches dobbins? Of course Chad Smith has a monster game to linebacking corps for Clemson in general was terrific. And you know you hear coaches ahead of games like this come down to who wins the turnover battle we gotta generate takeaways Blah Blah Blah. All true all importance. The chunk plays I feel like decided this for better and work for better and for worse. Justin Fields Downfield was fine. He didn't use his legs a lot but when he did a couple couple times it worked out really well but it was Chris Alavi. It was Austin Mac was Caja held. Not really getting down Downfield to open up the offense. What's that ultimately? I think was a pretty huge factor for Ohio state. Not Pouring it on in the second half they end with just that that late touchdown in the fourth quarter so A A really incredible watch and I just I came away needing to come down at midnight eastern when this game ended and just needed to take a few breaths I just needed needed needed a second. Okay all right all right. It's over now. We get an all tiger national championship. I like the Tigers here so yeah. LSU minus five against Clemson. That's how it looks right now in Your College Football Playoff National Championship game. Clemson takes advantage of big plays Ohio state had it. They they had it. They had opportunities but they were not now to capitalize themselves by the way I mentioned cleavage against Ohio states receivers preventing downfield field activity. CLEMSON's receivers terrific receivers t higgins goes out and get open and Russ. They couldn't get open. They couldn't get going downfield either. They relied on those two basically huge huge plays from Trevor Lawrence and Travis. CDN On a screen and Lawrence on the ground. And I thought Trevor Lawrence by the way and we see a lot of these offenses that are built around the threat of a quarterback. Run just feels. Didn't keep it as much. I think he had thirteen or fourteen carries ultimately but that includes sacks what Trevor Lawrence was able to do on the ground grounds. Getting you know getting eight yards on first and ten whatever it is. It was a breath of fresh air. Sometimes we see some times quarterbacks tighten up or told not to run it or choose not not to keep it when they probably should trevor Lawrence just giving everything for this game along with Justin feels by to see what he was able to do to propel team not just with his arm but with his legs was damn damn. Wow He's good he's also he's going to get another crack at a national championship. That game will be played on January Ebba Thirteenth. Something like that a couple of weeks away. We will preview that game in the next couple of shows elsewhere if we could travel back in time for a second do better Buddha a bunch of ballgames here that we want to leaf through give you results and instant isn't feedback. We won't go into it with the same level of depth. Obviously but what's the bad boy mowers gas puck bullpen gasparilla. Yeah cf the F.. Forty Eight Marshall Twenty Five. I don't have thoughts. We looked like a mismatch turned out. It was a mismatch. Yeah it was a really nice performance performance from from Dylan. Gabriel something. We've come to expect. They were good on the ground. It was a complete offense performance Marlon Williams was really nice through the air. I rifled through this game very quickly but I had. I think this was forty one. Or this was my most confident outcome and it came true so nice nice Double digit cap including postseason to a somewhat impressive season especially given the promise of Dylan. Gabriel moving forward in these so-fi Hawaii Bowl Hawaii thirty eight. Byu thirty four coal McDonald four touchdowns downs nice showing on Christmas Eve. Had One of those touchdown passes with about a minute left to grab the win so nice hometown triumph for the Hawaii squad. In Hawaii's fifteenth game of the season. Yeah Nick role which has done a wonderful job in Honolulu with Hawaii. Coal McDonald continues to impress a fun. Game Fun back and forth loved watching what I saw quickly. All right get get ready for the independence bowl. Your final here was Louisiana Tech Fourteen. Miami Zero Goose Egg Neil Nada Nahta. Yeah Casey needed any confirmation. That Miami just wanted to get this whole thing over with Dan. Yeah GimMe Gimme the drive charts so well before I go into the drive chart. Just one Danino was summarily said. Yeah we're good. We're good after you're the the phrasing that has been in us. In a couple of different places of sometimes mutually agreed to part ways sometimes will not be retained. But there's something very a funny if I can use that word about being relieved of his duties as if he's being asked to give his badge in detectives right please give It was a nightmare. A nightmare offense for Miami which is nothing really new given how the canes finished out the year and I guess a nice enough performance on defense from Miami Shut Quarter Min. I think started his fifty second game for Miami. I see a number of the guys Greg Russo had been very good for Miami this year. You know to give that sort of effort in this game and to come away with nothing So I guess good for Louisiana. got a tech good good for low tech but back to nose thing. You'll remember. That was a big deal when you're hired him that was like wow they got Dan Enos nice higher hire has not worked out to say the lens out. Miami doesn't have to know turns out so this was I was watching the pre-game pregame stuff going into this game. Because I'm not far from Miami This was what Miami was able to do on national TV with. I don't think any other games going against it. You you ready tie. I'm ready please. Punt punt punt fumble punts punt really fumble fumble punts interception perception punt interception and mercifully and sees uh-huh. Yeah I'll take the ten wins good for them. Well attack got to ten wins all right quickly and bowl pit. Thirty four eastern in Michigan thirty. Nobody puts can't pick it in the corner. Dan I mean eastern Michigan Police SORTA dead in the corner for most of this game. They sort of did pit needed. A twenty five of yard touchdown pass with just forty seven seconds left to grab the lead in that sweet sweet quickly bowl trophy Dan but this was a little bit closer than I expected. Same aimed this was such a strange season for Pitt by the way. Yeah they have. It's what Maurice French is. Probably one of the great underrated receivers in the country. And that's because the offense offense wasn't that good this year he was the bright spot as much as you think. Can you pick it as plucky. Because of what he did a couple of years ago. Moore's French the story and that's French to us by the way that is French two fs elsewhere in the holiday bowl. I didn't watch any of this game. Oh I did Iowa forty nine. USC Twenty Four. So I I need D- I need sort of your breakdown here but it looks like it was close for three quarters and then suddenly I refresh my app and I was like wait. What they scored forty nine? Yeah so dropped. Basically fifty two of those touchdowns one was on a long kick return from Isamu. Amir Smith Marsad. Another was on a pick six late in the game so Iowa I was offense only scored thirty five. which if you do you do some sort of translation that's fifty points? Prior thirty thirty five is the equivalent of fifty for the Twenty Nineteen Iowa offense. They run the ball that well and it didn't matter it as much as you had struggled this year stopping the run. The the fact that you get outgunned by Iowa when you have Michael Pittman Tyler. Vons Amman. Raw Saint Brown Drake London. All of these guys in an air raid with retaining. Graham Harrell is wild is wild and USC relieved clancy Pendergast and John Baxter. The defense coordinator and special teams coordinator cordinator of their of their duties. Shortly after this game but Kim Slav is goes down in the third quarter which certainly affected things. Matt Fink was largely ineffective Luckily the injury to slow this I think is pretty minor. I've just a sprain. They were worried it could have been something a lot worse but the story here was really. Ism for for Iowa a just with the ball in his hands he made plays. He gets scores a touchdown through the air and in the return game and was the offense force in this game and they'd Stanley pretty good game. But Yeah I was scoring thirty. Five is against a ranked team. No less is an accomplishment. Gray finish out the season for Iowa as they get to their tenth. It's a nine and three season. I'm really big on record. Is What you do in twelve games but really really strong finish to the season Frye who they'd be maybe Minnesota near the end of the air. Yup Yup they beat are fighting ally near the end of the year and so to finish out beating. USC on the West Coast Nice feather in their cap in the Texas bowl. The best eight eight and five team in the country went down fourteen. Two NIL early ahead. Some am folks tweeting at me and despair but fear not. They're not the best eight and five team in the country. They stayed the course kept their composure. Kept Cuba Hubbard from killing him which is essential again accomplishment and the scored twenty four consecutive points. He ended up winning twenty four to twenty one. That's Texas am over Oklahoma State indetectable. Yeah this was all it was good bad caland in this game struggled to throw the ball consistently against Oklahoma state but ran the ball really well. Had that was almost a seventy yard touchdown run. I believe on a keeper and the defense offense for a and I'm really stepped up after going down fourteen. Nothing really tightened up against Oklahoma state. Who Starts Drew Brown in this game? Backup quarterback Spencer Sanders. I think saw some time time. You had a couple of carries but really didn't affect the passing game at all and you know the youth of tax defense impressive. I just saw what Jay Sean Corbin is transferring to Florida. The state after having to sit out most of the year with an injury but Yeah am next year. I don't know what their schedule looks. Like I don't know who they have consecutively to end the season but Kellerman should be starting once again. I don't think I don't know what their ceiling is in the SEC. With Callan Mons being counted on too who throw passes for four quarters but a gutsy effort from on. Am as you know. They beat an old big twelve zero in the military bowl UNC. We fifty five temple thirteen man Carolina. Jerry Carolina just drilled them. Yeah Rod Carey keeps on carrying yeah. Carolina was up twenty me to six at half and somehow it only got worse from there a really nice game from Sam Howell. Who we've loved all year? MOSO too ridiculous touchdown catches for for Das- newsom. I don't know if you saw those. I didn't need one that he bobbled and somehow got a foot down. In the back corner of the endzone another he caught in the back corner the other end zone with two guys draped all over 'em beautiful throw from Sam. How again your final here? Fifty five to thirteen a really nice capper due to a surprise season for UNC. Didn't things get out of hand against Duke last year for Temple in their ballgame as well and that kind of pledge. Daniel Jones getting trapped apte in the top ten. I think among other things that have helped yes sure so yes. Things got out of hand pretty quickly in the third quarter and it was a complete effort. It wasn't just North Carolina and Sam. Jalan Offense Defensive Really Nice job stepping up granted against temple offense. It's been pretty awful all season long but nice momentum for the Tar hills going into the offseason all right so we all know how a VPN protects your privacy and security online. I mean we know the deal there. We've talked about it before. Yes yes but I didn't know this until recently and it's taken my TV watching game to the next level you can use a VPN unlock movies and shows that are only available in other countries. So yeah you can use express. VPN To binge on like doctor who on the UK net flicks okay. It's very sipple. You GotTa do is fire up the APP it changes your location to the UK. You refreshing Netflix. 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I can't say it's a great way to go into the off season but at least they didn't lose to wake in New York. I guess yes they did not lose to wake okay. We had in the cheese. It Bowl Air Force thirty-one Wazoo twenty-one air force through through for thirty yards pick. They also rushed for three hundred seventy one yards and four touchdowns Dan they had twenty seven more minutes of possession in this one. I think we both picked air force in we. I definitely did so. They finish ten to on the regular season. Get their eleventh against Wazoo. This was a rough watch. Just if you wanted entertainment because Watson Washington State with throw the ball pretty well and then get inside the five yard line and just struggle struggle on short charge. You know turnovers were an issue. I got and all that aside Washington state with what three weeks to prepare for air forces option. What they put on? The field was nowhere near acceptable. What they what they they just? They looked like they were lining up wrong. They couldn't tackle they couldn't figure out how to get guys in the area of the option they just air force ran all over them. It was what Rams Berg Yeah I watched this after the fact that just every time I would look up it was like rhames Berg for eight Rams Berg for six Rensberg for twelve I just. I don't know how you finish. Washing was doing these past few weeks. I don't know I guess yeah. Well Anthony Gore another good game other the other than that fumble. I would say in the red zone. Yeah let's move to the cotton bowl we could. Yeah Penn State Fifty Three Memphis thirty nine. So Penn instate hired Kirk Shera to be their new offensive coordinator. They hired him away from Minnesota. I think in light of this game job number one is going to be Sean Clifford. I don't know if he's good or not. I felt better about him at the start of the year that I think I did did at the end of the year. But you know there's somebody behind a metal push them in the fall. Maybe we'll let us. I don't know Oh yeah I don't know I don't know how I feel about that. Clifford did not look very good in this game at all. Now in the end it didn't matter because they rushed for almost four hundred yards pretty much ran it at will. They should have run on it more than they did. Journey Brown goes over. Two hundred Noah cain ricky slade. They all look pretty good and brady white had a fantastic four hundred fifty our game in his own business so I thought a lot to be excited about regarding Penn state moving forward and this was a good Memphis team that I've been all about all year. I think you pick Memphis to win this game didn't Ya. I DID PICK MEMPHIS to win this game. I don't know I mean I obviously disley regret it but I figured that with the momentum that they had the confidence they had even losing Mike Norville with how they finished out the air and Penn State. You know being the team that has to face the G. Five school on New Year's six game it's not always a motivational moment for teams. But let me I want to you. You mentioned you started off with some not so positive continuations of Sean Clifford. And you know Penn.. State's defense I suppose you know via the Memphis offense and success that they had through the air. Penn state did a good job. Bending but not heartbreaking whoever the Hell Memphis Kicker Holy Hell. How does Memphis have an amazing kicker? Good for them. He's a credible he hits. What's a couple of forty fifty arturs? I think he had what six field goals. Yeah no big no big deal. Nobile Memphis only got in the end zone three times so that was ridiculous. I don't know if the city of Memphis did something to Mike. Parsons but he took it out on this esteem. Michael Parsons finished with fourteen tackles and I know use other moment were memphis tried and end around. He was just there and he just ended the life life. That play like an like very angry. Spurned Assassin Mike. Parsons is an all American linebacker. Mike Parsons is the best player on this team right. Yeah yeah and I can good to play next year. I hope the defense is better built next year in terms of the secondary and they had some definite it lapses this season. WE START AGAINST MINNESOTA INDIANA MEMPHIS And the Penn State Pass rush seemed to come and go throughout the season but whatever the hell the city of Memphis to Mike. Parsons please apologize. Because he just raked complete havoc as total joy to watch And yes penn state on the ground. It was weird and we were texting about this. That Penn state could do whatever they wanted against what seemed like a pretty undersized Memphis fronts who gave the penn state offensive line some fits. It's in pass protection. But my God had penn state push around Memphis upfront and journey brown noah. Cain you're saying like getting twenty yards a rush but they're not always running mm-hmm doesn't fully make sense so hopefully the new offense coordinator puts his own stamp on things and helps develop Sean Clifford as well. Nice performance from Penn state going into the offseason and and finally. Let's go to the Camping World Bowl Notre Dame thirty three Iowa state nine. It will be very interesting to see what Notre Dame does it offense coordinator now because Tommy Rees called Nice game here and defensively Notre Dame's defense pretty much shutdown Iowa stays good state team. I was at the beer distributor grabbing a few adult libation that right up the road here I was at house at the beer distributor. Grab a couple of six packs before the playoff games and I was listening to to hooligans talk about Notre Dame and how Iowa state whose Iowa state and it's always at that moment and I'm sure you've experienced it where it's like I I know more about Iowa state than pretty much anyone on earth right now and I could flex those muscles and make a total myself. Guys worth is pretty legit. I could could make a fool of myself talking about Brock purdy and of course brock over fast I bought my beer once my car. Whatever do whatever's they were right? Turns out they were right. Nice twenty four point win here for Notre Dame yes I. I came away more than anything as well as what Tony Jones played as well. Dell's Chase Klay Pool just was unguardable this game and it was nice seeing book. Go downfield the Notre Dame defense. This is not a bad Iowa state often no. It's not a bad game came. No I say move the ball against pretty much everybody. The Baylor game was pretty awful for the clones but this a legitimate offense brock. Pretty inexperienced quarterback ACA playmaker. Bruce Hall came on Midway. Through the season thought to Chantal Jones was pretty impressive at times this year and for what Notre Dame was doing upfront forcing turnovers. What it was Jeremiah? A WAZOO core Amoah you pronounce it got it got it ochre Jay. Okay Yep just in the face of Iowa State all day long the forced fumbles. It was just. He was Mr Havoc for Notre Dame. So I don't know what the future of Clark Lee holds but a great promotion that that Brian Kelly. Kelly made now a couple of years ago and I know it's Iowa state I know it's what the camping world bowl but really impressive way to finish out the year to maintain focus for for for Notre Dame. I don't know what the they host Clemson next season. I believe. Yeah they go to that game. No now pack podcast staying here. This was this was wall-to-wall Irish so nice. Nice way to finish things out in front of a national TV audience for sure so I think that's it. I think that covers pretty much all the bowl games that were kyw. I also mentioned by the way I tweeted this out. What Memphis was wearing the all grays on a green field? Don't even talk to me about those uniforms and my color blindness blindness. I don't have that color blindness my glasses a lot of the times but I don't have that specific color issue. Whoever said hey you can wear a darkish? Greg is Penn State's Darkish blue on Greenfield should be relieved of their duties. Those those watchable game those Memphis uniforms to me me were virtually invisible set against the backdrop of that Greenfield. Same it was it was a it was a tough watch just visually the and Memphis does not wear those a lot. They have you know whites and blues. Whatever one they're just heinous uniforms I compare them to just awful awful gym class? You know that Heather Gray. Yeah awful awful uniform. No contrast there needs to be some like listen. I know people have a lot. Ladies have a lot a lot of strong opinions about the Oregon uniforms. You can always see. It always differentiate the Oregon players from the other teams players. This was a visual travesty. St Of Game Green though they do wear Greens on a Greenfield. They don't do a lot green on green on the Greenfield. And I know it's happened. But they're bright enough there like an apple green that it's contrasting enough. This the muted greys against the muted green of the field and just contrast. I'm saying players contrasting passing with each other so like if Oregon's wearing green green on a greenfield they're playing it's team wearing white jerseys. I'm far from a uniform traditionalist but this. This can't happen happen anymore. Sorry that was. My old man ran and you felt the same. You agreed. I couldn't see him no. I couldn't see anything. It was ridiculous all right. Well we've got five other Games here that we have not previewed yet. We thought maybe we would rifle through those very quickly. We'd have a bowl barred sound because it's more of a mini bar. She said the tug rival. We we comfortable with that a ham. Yeah sponsors won't drop us for Tugg Bull Okay. I don't think so. Ticket Smarter Birmingham Bowl. This one is on January every second on. ESPN it is ten three Cincinnati. It is six and six Boston. College bearcats are a seven point favorite for Dan. I am going to go cincy twenty-eight confidence points because he's been a mess all season then. They fired their coach. And and they're also going to be without their best player. Jay Dylan Yeah first of all. Let's talk about very briefly Boston College. who finishes the season losing two of three? What if have you had told me? Before the season yeah going to beat Virginia Tech Pitt Syracuse an NC state and fire Steve Adagio because the season was unacceptable. All that would be very confusing to me. Yeah and probably Boston College fans but they finished the season. Losing two of three but did beat pit at Pitt. The offense was largely fine. You know they lose a quarterback halfway through the season and Anthony Brown. Who was pretty good? Jay Dillon was typical really strong. Aj Dylan defense turned woeful Max. Richardson is a stud at linebacker. LINEBACKER play but yeah it was. It was a rough year for Boston. College overall In Cincinnati I think is a good pick. They lose their last two both to Memphis after repeating in the American championship game. They rip off nine straight after that Ohio state just abuse home in but they finished the season defending ending the run really well a nice linebacking core themselves. Just the offense was pretty lacklustre. I still have Cincinnati by about ten here. The gifts sweet Thai okay. You're getting a coin. When you're getting that history of the Bulls Book? You're getting a bucket hat but if you're heading to this game from Boston Cincinnati and you're not used to really strong food in which both the cities have good food. The highlands Bar and grill. Is the James Beard Award Winning Best Restaurant in America okay. That's pretty good saws ause barbecue. I think they have white sauce. which is Alabama thing Kerrigan's Hattie BS. I think has a location if you want some hot chicken Birmingham. I've heard good things about Jack Browns for Burgers. There's and of course our friends over at Druid city brewing. Yeah yeah they're they're in Tuscaloosa but I think you can find druids city. Check the website on tap at a number of places in Birmingham. So so if you don't want to make the move to their brewery Tuscaloosa not far away. Find find where you can get some druid city on tap shoutout to our boys. Dad druid city yeah huge ballers Irene. Rain Chalk murals really a bucket hat though. That's like the best we're doing with this. That's what we're seeing here okay. I don't maybe the gift sweet rules. And there's a bunch of cool stuff in their tax. Axe slayer gator bowl. Also a second also on ESPN. It is Tennessee. At seven. Five at his Indiana at eight and four. Tennessee is a two point favorite here so I sorta box myself in. And I'm stuck putting twenty-five confidence points on this game which was entirely not by choice. I'm not very confident. But twenty five is what it's GonNa be like. Both these teams are good stories for different reasons Indiana's I think been pretty decent all year. Therefore losses were to Ohio state. Michigan State Penn State and Michigan. The problem I have with them is is the teams they beat. And it's really tough to figure out how they compare to Tennessee because sure the best team they be honestly it's either Nebraska Purdue right well Tennessee beating the heavyweights that they beat makes this an easy choice. Then right. I'll wait now now. I'm seeing here. They did not. It'd be Kentucky. Yeah Kentucky Lucky I mean we we have a soft spot for voted in Kentucky. But yeah so it's not terribly different. I'm going to switch my pick to Tennessee. I've gone back and Forth Thousand Times here. You're going to go Tennessee. I'm jumping aboard your tennis. Fans Winners of five straight to end the year definitely some good momentum down the stretch. I think a good job Bob in the coaching department. Down the stretch as well so August Tennessee. I think close game maybe a fun one to watch but twenty five on Tennessee. I guess more specifically a nice improvement job from Jarrett guarantee. No the back half of the season Defense Tennessee did show some fight especially in preventing bigger. Plays Daryl Taylor definitely worth watching for Tennessee. As the VOL's win their final five. It should be noted that John Jennings who is a stuttered receiver is suspended for the first half of this game aim for stomping vanderbilt players face on return. which if you're GONNA be associated with Tennessee and you're going to do something horrible just after Albert Handsworth do not stop? Somebody's face aside from just. You shouldn't do that in the first place. Indiana I think you're right. I mean they lose their final two of three but they did throw the ball well. I think I'm actually going to go with the hoosiers here by five. You troll it out here. Hoosiers not super high confidence but in and the teens the gift suite of the tax slayer ball which by the way tax software avoided at all costs. That's another show. Don't buy turbo tax. Don't give into it money The gift suite includes according to this site. I'm looking at noise cancelling headphones and Bluetooth Speaker inside personalized box. I like that a bad Maui. Jim Sunglasses glasses with fitting. You get custom fitted sunglasses. I'm on board with that fossil. Watch backpack in that Bowl Book and if you are heading to schemes Jacksonville all for good things about maple street for biscuits. There's a new Cuban place called Nineteen Twenty eight which peaked my interest and v Pizza the Letter v Pizza. So and just. Just don't get. Don't get yourself in trouble in Jacksonville. Seems easy to do the famous Idaho Potato Bowl January third also. ESPN got Ohio at six and six got Nevada at seven and five. Ohio is seven and a half point favorites so for what it's worth of all the bowl games. My numbers claimed that this was one of the biggest mismatches that down to who am I to doubt the metrics whom in general. But let's Go Ohio for twenty six confidence points here the Ohio at six and six building the resume against truly awful teams. The bottom of the MAC was horrendous. This here a nice offense. It feels like Nathan work has been there forever Nice running backfield in general for for the Bob Cats The defense for Ohio is the the really awful thing for them in Nevada. Strange year. They finished their their season. Winning three or four including beating San Diego State Somehow Their offense and their defense both pretty bad. I guess they're okay against the run which is important against Ohio Don Peterson is worth watching all mountain. West Talents at defensive end. I Have Ohio here by double digits because you know say that Nevada is truly truly horrible. the gift suite includes a thule achiever ever computer backpack. A Herschel Supply Company hip pack. Which I think is a fancy way of saying fanny pack a Beanie a coin? And if you find yourself in Boise it will probably be be cold. I've spent some time in Boise. Good friend of mine is is from there and lives there goldies for breakfast for sure. The there's a gastro pub called bitter sweet bitter creek. 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I have no idea. I'm going to bite my lip and say to lane for for Gosh Twenty seven points on this. Yeah I mean it's too late at this point so we'll just go to lane twenty seven. What the hell this game should? It'd be very entertaining because both of these defense is give up a ton of big plays Southern miss through the air and delaying just in general it was somewhat disappointing year. I think we had some high hopes for two lane is one of a better G.. Five defense especially with what they brought back up fronts They did run the hell out of the ball like you mentioned and southern miss through it pretty well. They couldn't run. So are you getting a good contrast of styles here. I think should be entertaining. Fort Worth heard good. Things haven't spent a ton of time there I'll go and food in a second but The gift suite includes boots but may not be limited to that. Does One Hundred Fiftieth Anniversary Coin College football anniversary of Beanie and neck pillow. That's nice football. Nine line apparel patriotic. The attic athletic wear okay Fort Worth. I have been yelled at before for writing off Fort Worth as a food town. And you know what I've done some more investigating ask some questions of friends who spent time there. There's new place for biscuits called hot box. Which looks very good? I think it's called Heim H. E. M. for Barbecue. I may seem Heim. I Dunno I Apologize The mispronunciation I'm in your head now in your now you are. Well I'm going to get this one right Shinjuku station for all things. Japanese especially Rahman looks bonkers amazing. Amazing who do you pick your again. I say my pick. I'm going to the two lane digits here now and finally on January the sixth it is the lending tree bowl on. ESPN the Louisiana Raging Cajun's at ten and three the Miami Ohio redhawks walks at eight and five Louisiana Guy. Chuck Martin Yeah. Louisiana is a fourteen point favorite. It's a big number and I think that's because the region Cajun's actually pretty good at a really good season ten and three. They're only three losses came against Mississippi state and APP state twice place. They've got a really efficient rushing attack one of the best in the country. They've got a forty year old up and comer and Billy Napier as her head football coach. He's been rumored for big jobs eventually. Get one of them just not yet. Miami won the MAC over Central Michigan. But for what it's worth Earth you know our friend bill connerly over the SPN now chart tracks something. Called Second Order Wins. Which basically what it tells you whether a team is more lucky than good right and by that measure? Miami's a four win team so let's go raging Cajun's here to the tune of thirty two confidence points the I have them by about seventeen points here and yeah Louisiana. They win six of their final seven. They do lose to APP. State in the Sun Bolts Championship game. They ran the hell out of the the ball. Levi Lewis a quarterback a very fun. Watch if you watch that Sun Belt Championship game. Their defense not great but they were okay against the pass and stopping big plays. Miami's offense Miami. The offense really any Miami's offense mostly dreadful The past defense was pretty good camera Butler a very fun. Watch for Miami Upfront Front but yeah I have Louisiana comfortably This is the lending triple and Lending Tree I'm not going to recommend that service. That doesn't seem like a good thing to do. My sponsor non spotted sponsor sponsor. The gift suite includes personalized noise cancelling headphones and a charging bank. So that's solid. Thanks for that fossil. Watch and a Herschel. Supply Company backpack. I think there's a very solid gift package especially if there's more than that gift sweet If you find yourself in games and mobile yes noble south or Ruby slipper for breakfast. Noble South looks really good squid ink for interesting bar food and dumb waiter for nicer southern From interesting they all strong options and mobile. Yeah all right well well. I think we covered a lot of ground. This show I would agree. I think we covered a lot of ground in this show. So what you have to look forward to in the coming days and weeks we obviously have a bunch of games that we will recap after. We have results that we can read. We do have to preview the national championship attention game. There is some just general college football news which we will get to uncover as soon as we can and then of course. There's the big game which I I believe. Did we firm up the plants. Are we going to be watching this together. We are going to be watching this together. We're going to be watching the championship game together. And then recapping the game on Tuesday morning. We'll drop our normal Tuesday morning. Recap of the National Championship before we effectively head to the real real offseason. When was the last impersonate Jason Show? We did together. It would probably be back in August when we were in DC. I mean that's a live show. I'm saying like the last regular not a fantasy thing show cut. Guess maybe when we went to North Dakota when we went to north over a year ago not Regular show not an ordinary show. We were recapping our our visit there so it's been a while it might have been preseason two thousand eighteen in my apartment but yes albay became a long sweet and go to Gnash championship game. Not Going to New Orleans this year because of some obligations. Yeah it could have been that time. I lost my voice. Oh yeah couldn't remember. You and bill came to my apartment when we did nineties Internet things right. Yes yes you're you're at my apartment So looking forward to doing these the shows will do a twos cruise to finish out the season. And we'll recap everything Some some news row quick title needs plenty. Sounds I did see. Pat Fitzgerald turned rundown an interview with a request from the Carolina Panthers Northwestern mentioned. USC Firing Offense Coordinator Clancy Pendergast and special teams coordinator. John Baxter Baxter. A particularly noted recruiter. Vanderbilt has fired each of their offensive and defensive coordinators Mike Novellas and making some higher. Steve would the to me legendary offensive line coach. He spent much of his career at Oregon. He's retiring after three seasons at cal. Otherwise is I mean we mentioned the Danino staying at Miami. He is out so Miami will be looking. You mentioned Kirk Sh- Chirac Chirac sharakah. who did a terrific job with Minnesota and before that western Michigan with John Fleck? He is in at Penn State as Rookie Ronnie leaves to Take a head coaching job We've talked about Jeff Scott. So he hires Charlie Weis Junior. Fau As lane kiffin leaves to be the offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach with some appears some. Promise Kendall Riles riles is at Arkansas. So too I think seemingly pretty strong coordinators in Arkansas for Sam Pittman in Kendall brawls and bury them Marcus Arroyo hired away. Casey done from Oklahoma state. Casey done the longtime receivers coach Co offensive coordinator if you look at the receivers of come through Oklahoma state during his time there. You can't help help. But come away. Impressed he'll be the new offensive coordinator at UNLV for Marcus Arroyo. Otherwise I don't know if there's anything I mean Mike you're sick appears to be the guy to takeover often at offensive coordinator access. You know that Ohio state season is over. That looks like it's all but official Chris. Ashes obviously official at defensive coordinator for Texas assist. I think that's all I have right now. We've had some. We'll do more draft stuff as we get closer that in and mention all the guys that are leaving early and not playing in bowl games. I think we've had a lot of those already ready but I think that's the big stuff here and if I can and I I really really trust me. Believe me. I don't mean to tag this on as like a and also also one more thing but I think it would be unfair not to an sort of didn't feel right not to discuss it. We weren't friends with at S. Joff we didn't we didn't know oh him all that. Well I think we may have met him a couple times national championships and so forth. There was something about his passing tie. That was just devastating to me. The fact the fact that I mean he comma blogger isn't necessarily he was at ESPN news. Reporter I mean most recently he's national reporter. ESPN but he was. He helped to run the old. Sec See blog that when ESPN had the conference blogs thirty four years old on his birthday engaged to be married in the in the spring and just a really out of nowhere health situation. He had pneumonia developed into H. L. H.. And I don't know what it is. I just I feel like we're part of this digital college football weird media world world and hit me and I just I just WANNA say everybody seems to have loved him that had come across him. You see like all the yea reporters that were friends with them wearing the lapel. Flowers at bowl games honor him and his style but everybody could not help but say extraordinarily nice things about him and so in a very strange way I feel like in this world. We lost somebody that was that was pretty significant. So lots out to everybody that was affected and friends with him and close to him. And and Man I just. It was pretty heartbreaking. Stuff the way it all happened so suddenly a shock to see that news on Christmas Eve to say the least and like you said I mean we haven't had an add on the show but To be part of the college football media sphere nanny sense. You you kind of get familiar with these names and twitter handles and interact with people in this day and age and Yeah that was that was incredibly sad news shocking news to say the least and again you you know we hate to have shows with bad news but Two bits of it here in this show first thoughts obviously go out to the pingers and secondly to the Ash offs and offer ends of of ADS. Because that's a tough one to say the least so yeah with that being said we we do appreciate everyone for stopping by by for download them to show for taking part in our weirdness here as a college football podcast. We will be back very very soon. Talk Moore College Football. We've got much to discuss here as the season plods forward just a few games remaining. 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TPC: Listener Question Time: What Role Does Climate Change Have In Armed Conflict?

The People's Countryside Environmental Debate Podcast

32:47 min | 4 months ago

TPC: Listener Question Time: What Role Does Climate Change Have In Armed Conflict?

"This is the people's environmental dubai. Podcast with me man my and me. Still sodomy william and we are gonna go straight into a question from a listener into this episode is from alice. Inches hampton which is just south of oxford and she listens on blueberry william. Yeah i i thought it was. But it's blueberry. I've i've learned anything. I've learned some new. Today's well. i suppose it might be blueberry deny blueberry bravery. You know where you are. We don't we don't anyway. The question is does climate change truly volleyed us as a society encores conflicts and armed conflicts. And if so why and how. Well the to begin with so much like how. How do we know what actually what conflicts are actually caused by by climate change. And how would we. How do we even know which ones are. You know that's to me. That's the starting point because it could be this complex and some some on but we don't we. Are we absolutely sure. Which ones do i mean we. There are look at the conflicts are happening around the world. At the moment the generally seemed to fall into a couple of categories one is Civil war say something is happening within within a country's borders Looking at particularly syria for example or Ex-colonial difficulties especially in places certain parts of africa. Right so Is that is that. Climate change is climate change a factor in those conflicts. But yeah. i've got a good thing about their speakers Journal if alice works in the Butchery industry but this is a meaty question with him for a lot of thought. I did go on. Yeah okay. Well i've been thinking about this thoughts. But i think instability in his a major factor in conflicts and climate change could be brought into that with the emphasis on could think. Climate change alone isn't always the issue in in conflicts is often. It multiplies the the threat of of certain situations already seen conflict and that can be conomic could be a tribal. It could be racial issues Which could see. Climate change is an accelerate of an already established issue in conflict climate. Change could be. Actually you know it could be decreasing crop yields says less food to go round and then of course if there there's already Friction between two sets of people. The stronger of the two sets are going to go to win aren't they. They're going to want food. I mean generally the war. A lot of these conflicts are rooted in vulnerable fighting to behead and climate jane. Change exposes new vulnerabilities. And i'm already established conflicts of said but as global cooperative on. I think we've ever been in place to mitigate climate change but the more look at it the more. The seems to be a lack of ray. Best collaboration out. Yeah so we always talk about community doug me say and we always tried to go to The aim we wish him to aim towards the most. The more local community is possible. You know the closest not just not just somebody who's in the next street. I appreciate your next door neighbor But there is also. There's that's i think that's the most that can be most impactful to make a change in how can help and your local community. Because that's what you specifically can do yourself right. You can help. You can literally help your neighbor out right but when it comes to when it comes to the much. Larger thing is slightly analogous really the countries can help help help other countries out and they that needs to be that support that needs to be a better support network. I feel between between between the nations of the world and those who have an those. You don't have. i don't personally see change. As as a major factor driving division in armed conflicts. Now i've been looking at. This seemed to be very evidence academically either that climate change drives on conflicts. But it doesn't academic research doesn't actually ruled out either but it does say more localized conflicts. Climate change could be a driver of the academic research teams differentiate between maybe international conflicts and localized conflicts. Yeah i was going to say that we don't we don't know fully the actual all the all the different catalysts for for a specific con conflicts. We can we can point to one thing and say okay is case. Try it's tribal. It's between the these two factions but there must be other. There's going to be underlying history. They're going to be underlying currencies. And then always. I mean i do think climate change can prolong conflicts including armed conflicts. But i don't necessarily think it's the core catalyst did do you think also that maybe climate change hasn't had the the impact on certain aspects like food production yet. Maybe we've been adapting enough that adapting fast that we're actually producing enough enough yield as it were but maybe in the future maybe twenty thirty years in the future that we might be starting to see complex are specifically a huge climate. Change that as a question coming up in a future podcast we've been said about The agricultural processes and one of the points and there's actually we already produced enough food to feed the world. Yeah yeah. I mean it could Do think we're only stop this williams so you know what we think is an issue. Now probably isn't if we look back in hindsight. But i think it's very hard to accurately interpret societal we actions and being categoric about actual catalysts. I mean that that the social there's economic There's re resource scarcity. They will draw his for me. But it's very hard to interpret sudden outbreak of a conflict of some coined. And but what is the societal interpretation of that. It's very hard. Yeah yeah. I totally agree with that. It goes back to what we kind of we. I think we. I think we're both coming to a conclusion pretty quickly that we don't actually know what really causes. What is the massive cut. What is was the catalyst for most conflicts right. I mean not kind of understand it in some degree could some degree. But i was just thinking thinking of syria and in fact that the all the all the information on alavi misinformation. That's out there about what happened in syria. More still happening in syria We we ever get to the bottom of exactly what it what it what it would be very hard especially with the way the meteors constructed as as we've debated i was just thinking as well as the of we're talking about catalysts especially we're talking about we go back to the first world war and how that the cutlets for that was the assassination of the archduke of what was it again. Austro-hungary write code in serbia or something. It was yeah exactly. Yeah so you think he was. My my my history's correct. He was actually assassinated by serb. And so that's the that's the catalyst for the first world war but that wasn't the only reason why that's not it was that started the escalation but there were other reasons for it as well going to. Everybody knew that was going to happen anyway. It was a family feud through the royal. Family's the russian you had the german you had the the collies In in germany you are the czar in russia and you had the family over like it was cousins. Fall eating basically it was. Yeah i was just thinking that. There was a quote in the last episode of blackadder. Somebody asked blackout Why why why why. Why did we go to war. And his response was it was too. It was too easy not to go to war. But that's what is that was that was obviously a conflict that was how to cartilage but there was a third reason so that the conflicts are happening now have a specific catalyst could be like i said it could be a tribal could be religious. Potentially a religious tensions. Whatever but he there is. There's there's more there's more to more than than the about. I've been thinking as well. The stable societies are not sure climate. Change is likely to cause conflicts. But in those societies already plo prone to conflicts it could cause extra instability. A lot of conflicts are rooted in cultural differences and territorial disputes and religion. It's as you say went him. Yeah exactly. I mean the the the the reassuring thing when it comes to conflict is they are conflicts of actually getting. There's less of it s. Not we're actually we're becoming less. What's the word when you actually fighting each other. we actually we're having less conflicts and specialist global conflicts. Now it's not to say that won't happen again. And i'm i'm not trying to wish this but it happened again. There won't be another say world war not moon but the moment there's the least amount conflicts ever happened law conflicts of happening within within borders of a particular country which doesn't make any better but it's moved changed unthinking on my fate is slightly in Climate change maybe is indirectly associated with these conflicts. We're talking about my exacerbating non-climatic factors like maybe ownership of mineral resources or or water. Those conflict could cause collaboration to collapse. The maybe climate change needs to actually be gated on that collapses then made worse by climate change as we come more protectionist. So it's a big. Sally kohn is very. I think it's a slow illusion to work out. Where the cycle start so maybe isn't an illusion maybe east where we should be focusing our attention. Where does this stop. yeah. I'm just thinking about i believe the foundations. So we're talking about Especially protection of of of resources. Potential resources is definitely some of the causes conflict. Of course it doesn't mean we have to do is look towards at least right. What happened in iraq for example But it does appear that the there's another the other way forward is especially how the is now become the eu was really originally formed between countries. That had were very a resource rich. So france germany where the two countries are very resource-rich and They they formed almost like a a partnership or a group together to actually to share resources and not an actually stopped the big stop a an internal conflicts within europe which hasn't happened since mode which is amazing feat. Really think about say was you might say there was one in the balkans in the early nineties. Yes but the balkans. Yugoslavia the balkans was definitely was a breakdown of yugoslavia and it was a trade tragic thing because it was it was really a civil war. If you think about wasn't it wasn't it was. It was a war between nations. That used to be together in a way it was. It was a civil civil war we're talking about. An actual countries are fighting each other say between germany and france eh and in actual major a major european europe wide conflict which which we haven't had since the second world war so that that i think that has come off the back of collaboration and talking to each other something come off the back of this. Conversation is I've been thinking about this. Recently refugees refugees coming because boy populations moving due to climate change and thus an interesting issue rising said. Ah don't see many people talking about because my understanding is in the mainstream to be classes a refugee and salem. You generally have to be threatened politically. So your life is in danger from that you'll government if you get back Financial migrants Sent back And so that makes me think climate caused migrants. So i can see we'll be rejected unless we review thinking of what is to be a refugee. Yeah yeah this is. A very is a very contentious issue. I mean i. I always say on the side of compassion so if somebody is in a boat and a very dangerous boat and going across a body a dangerous body of water. They've done it for a good for them. They've done it for a good reason. Evasion is a good reason right There's got to be process when it comes to come to comes to refugees because refugees are different to asylum-seekers right and I was just thinking actually here in oxford. There's a there's a really good organization that we should help refugees. And and i do wonder as well as a side note just thinking about this actually sometimes refugees. I think if they are able to settle in able to remain and settle here settling in this country in cell here in oxford that they just increased the vibrancy of the of the of the of the area. They they bring some more positive than i. Yeah i mean What we're talking about pretty much is conflict resolution and tha- tha- that needs to be done on a local level to be effective just like climate change and i think for others to step in and help support needs to go to the people who are actually on the ground he he will bring about that stability. The stability isn't going to be brought from the outside. And i think we've discussed this before. But i think empowering women on a local level really helps with conflict resolution well th. That's i've been reading recently in the guardian yup by I think it can be can be said that women are better at conflict resolution. The man yeah exactly but largest sending irs in the slow solid but it did get me thinking the other day that was an extinction rebellion protest. Senator off in in london join explain. What the senate office will in for anybody who doesn't know yet the senate's off as Some whitehall a specially a war memorial. It's one of many will memorials. Were all up and down while also. Why hall is the main road. That leads from the houses of parliament Downing street which is where. The residents of the prime minister is Is a while. it's the halls of power as well as the government is based really. Why hold is if you go. The keep going all away from parliament does it say egypt to farragut. Square guys tried to try to square one in parliament square. The other. yeah that's right. Okay and basically what happened this extinction. Rebellion protests after the poppies were laid on remembrance day on november the eleventh Extinction valley in protesters lades wonder their own rees saying act now claim climate change Means war and it was laid by a northern ireland veteran veteran on a buddhist nurse and It was very interesting. The are sold the photographs of this and there was only these people saying. Oh you walk. All over the reads and a und- but only images. I saw that you saw that feet. I was stepping between the reeds to lie their own And then the police were photographed stepping stepping around the rees. Too tight this resolve. But i went court said to The walking with it being disrespectful. You're walking all over the res and it's amazing even though the image shows there's no walking get involved and disrespecting vote. The interpretation is today. You get these quite said you walk in on either this walking done anyway. So that's something i saw and i The the one thing i will say is the main thing the police bemoaned. It took him in minutes to remove this protest protests them wreath but the the the veteran was donald bowel. I think his name was donald bow And i'd love to buy with him. The he fails ally dot wreath because he filed the climate change will cause to armed conflict. And and you. And i are source saying it's very hard to to know. I'd love to debate with him on this subject. Yeah what debate debate. This lici almost debating this question debate this question of we're saying Climate change doesn't necessarily drive conflict but he was putting that down because he was saying correctly. It does yeah. yeah well. That's that's nice probably has definitely animatrice. There isn't a. I just think it's going to be more. It could be more obvious in the future climate. If we don't act now or don't act and steer the ship in a different direction that we will have more. The climate change will have more impact on us and then it will become really evident that he is a co is causing as course in conflict but but the interesting thing about the criticism that go ahead. I don't necessarily agree with him. The it will cause i'm conflict. Are this this criticism of him. That he was walking all reads when there was no graph to show that it was just numskulls wrote in things underneath saying oh he's woken ever m- and then the police did the same thing and they weren't accused of the same pictures were shown. Anyway the interesting thing was This donald barrow who was a former northern ireland veteran He was over there in. Thousand nineteen is e accused of disrespecting the dead and one of the critics corden instead of coordinating donald pow. They caught him. Donald balanced Chris at school is not that critic. Themselves is being disrespectful to a veteran because donald powers veteran yeah yes. Interest interest in donor bows being criticized for being disrespectful but people are disrespecting a veteran kind of reminds me the don't speak ill of the dead but that's dust is not true. People people speak for the dead of the hitler frequent example. He's dead and people who are like him do they. Another people are a lot of people. Were criticizing the this particular protests. Name of saying this was interesting to me. Because i was just watching it. I was saying it was wrong. To politicize the com- the commemoration die november. The eleventh putting a climate change protest Wreath down I think it's unreasonable personally. to to not allow that protest happened. I don't really think it's politicizing. I i it's it's science. It's not political. And i think voice saying oh it's political politicizing calmer come commemoration day shows a lack of understanding what the word politicizing means. Politicizing is one party or the other yes. That wasn't potty politics. That was just making a point in a respectful way that starts. It was a by by the way described very respectful. And so there's there's there's a is a form of protest is quite is worse because we're talking about it but if you're going to complain that somebody's politicizing an issue again and get the dictionary. Politicizing means laying a wreath down on commemoration day which is slowly been light down for a different reason to commemoration day by annex himself. That's not bringing in party politics so anyway. Yeah social media. i've been thinking about. This is why william. This question from alice's got me thinking. Social media nowadays has moved remove the nuances in the narrative nowadays. When you look at social media things black and white roy in rome and it's not like that the There's an especially just got this disease of. I feel scott. Got this disease that we need to radically off Knee jerk reaction. Say especially when you got a newspaper headline that There was one in yorkshire mail recently which is stood a few of a few pops up saying Mouthwash woke your covert and. That's literally then line but if you read it doesn't say that too but that there are a lot of things that that come out in in in social media in the shed widely which are totally factually factually incorrect. In when we're talking about conflict here talking about conflict resolution as it were. There is a often shed every year saying that the british legion linked. What we talking about war lesion are not able to sell poppies in certain parts of the country because it will affect offend wineries. That's be that was that been shared over four and a half thousand five thousand times on facebook by many many people who are obviously rightly in incited by that but it was it was totally untrue and even the the themselves are legion. Said we we. We sell it wherever we want to sell it so long as they can get people we want to sell it. Yeah exactly yeah. That's that's the only barriers just being advocate people to sell it but so it was nonsense. Say that's the that's the that's social media disease right there. The people see some they they they. They are offended by and believe and they say they see the words and they believe that true. I mean a lot. Life isn't like social media. I mean if you make a mistake cole cole. He might mistake. Call our out hands up but then rizova move on. Twitter doesn't actually allow that. I'm assuming are didn't i. S this is possibly one of the most controversial things i've said on this podcast What george floyd was killed in the us on twitter very quickly. No i agree i. It was awful. What happened to him but to quickly think as soon as he died on twitter. You start getting these statements. He was made it whereas until the person was convicted in a court of law. The statement actually is unlawfully killed. Yes you know into. The conviction has happened. You can't say this person is murdered. And as i say real life nuances in the narrative on social media is missing and you can make you a point saying george was unlawfully killed without overstepping the mark and saying mid too soon began. That's designed to in soy on. No it's driven by anger but you have to be sensible. Yeah i i don't know me say controversial things myself but i think he's probably the most interesting i'd say which reminds me of what happened with Richie sunak what. He said he'd being had an interview with I i believe it was and they kind of railroad into the into an answer. Because they were trying to figure out what he was on about. And their headline said that. Richie richardson accent. That artists need to retrain. Because of covid maine's retrain retrain to do other work. But he never said that he never said the word artists he said we all may need to retrain. Because of covid which i think is actually we think about lesser. That's actually a very obvious statement and actually quite reassuring when when you got your chocolate saying that is actually actually a moderate thing to say. He's just beg basically saying he's trying to prepare people to say one thing but the what was then shared widely will ever social media and it still is to this day Many many many weeks after the initial interview that artists don't like it don't like the government Yeah the we would have to retrying nothing another website and we will have to adapt. Yeah yeah of course. Yeah absolutely. But i'm saying the point i'm making is that he was the he was. It wasn't even misquoted. It was it was. it was the journey inventor. Putting words into his mouth was invented and then that became that became the Become the norm norman. And what's interesting is i. I had the covert situation in particular being been likened to. We're live in living in george. Orwell's in four and that sort of thing is all save virgin on that as well because it so much that your it's your believing in what somebody is written on social media and they will just gonna share it without even thinking about it induction nation in some respects. Yeah i mean the nuanced approach to language in use of language is far more powerful. Don't believe everything you see on social media especially twitter I mean a lot of people on on twitter. This might be another slightly controversial statement but if the cap swear us why safe you're listening to this On twitter. I think it gives permission for people to Behave bonehead in extremists. Yeah i mean you say it will all ever say she made it at you anyway. We we we we. We've got nearly twenty minutes at least without saying we asked you so. I think right now would be a good idea if somebody's we all the people's countryside environment debate podcast and we do by big world scale issues with the help of you. The listeners who send in questions we keep the big issues in your mind on hype that you'll think about the number light back to your local area and then make a difference to the niger in the countryside in your area Because it's down to us as people to make a difference. Yeah and in in in a very big way is not just about myself. Stewart is is about you the listener and actually the what we're discussing. Today is another question from a listener and we all form part of that debate. Say it was alyce sent the questioning. Today i believe yet from chisel hampton in october one hundred right here in our in minute. Stewart's home county of thanks for the question We we we went off on different tangents there so i hope you don't mind to what we just we try to. We try to win the debate and myself to have to have opinions ourselves. Stewart's a little bit more controversial than i am usually but Yeah i hope you've enjoyed us discuss your question today. And i say we we always try and relate this back on a local level so people you're listening in ourselves can actually look out a window say the environment is worth protecting and give a shit about and go out. They have induced me. How can we rely this. huge question. alice's asked us william to into an action that we can all take to make a difference to our local countryside environment community. When i was just i was just thinking of the word. Catalyst say we don't necessarily know what the catalyst for any conflict is and that's from the large scale down to the small scale. Whatever you wanna say fall of you drive. 'cause this is an action for you today full of you drive today. Go out in the car with the intention of just chilling out relaxing If somebody else you up they might have a bad day themselves. They might have not seen them. I've just been being aware that you were there though to your horn. Just just get on with it. Just just just just because you don't know what the catalysts that will set off in yourself you know the the small conflicts more day to day conflicts can lead to much bigger things they form habits so former former former tried to start a really good habit today of just being nice and if if somebody is has cut you up then go beat tube ducks on the pond in my skull for a second in your mind but just go. What do you think's Yeah absolutely drive. Boise this all the time. I live on one of the most two roundabouts in oxford. You always see. See this road wall here. This road rage on a daily basis. Yeah i will if you look listen back to some previous episodes west. You and i have been recorded in your in gordon. You generally have two horns tooting ordinary police turning up exactly. Yeah say chill out man anyway. Environment debate podcast. If you want to find out more about us. We have a website. The website address william people countryside put people's countryside dot dot. uk almost did the email address there and share this with right now. Think about those five friends that would like to hear this episode. Poor even just those five friends that you think should hear this episode and just go. Show them right now. If you can. What's up here you can send it on facebook messenger. You can even ride an old fashioned letter. They got all of that okay. Do you want to sign out william. Yes thanks very much for listening. Thanks very much again for your question. Allies and we'll see you in the next episode.

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Daily Stress Management Featuring Lison Guerrette

Essential Oil Solutions with doTERRA

11:24 min | 1 year ago

Daily Stress Management Featuring Lison Guerrette

"Welcome back to essential oil solutions with Tara over the next few weeks. We're excited to be doing a series of special episodes highlighting some timely a and relevant topics by listening you'll learn useful natural and simple solutions to everyday issues. If you like what you hear today rate review and subscribe wherever are you. Listen we always appreciate hearing from you. Today's episode features lease on Garrett talking. About how you can manage your stress daily. Welcome welcome to unwind as if my name is on it. So it's my pleasure today to talk to you about they. trysts management out to cocoa. Okay been our daily lives so to talk to you about all the wonderful tools that we have to cope with every day stressors that we can have so what are coming causes of our daily life stress that we can have so there are teams. That happens are unpredictable. There are scheduled told that are so busy with the kids at have to on my own. I have a wonderful as to you know every day like school we. We have all merged on behalf of Kendall lessons. We have everything so we have a busy schedule. Most of US and other thing again a- and our stress in daily life and could be a lack of sleep so you all know that when we miss sleep we feel less able to coporate or stress. And so that's why it is so important to have good daily practices that Elvis improvers sleep quantity so we'll talk about that also also it is to be well surrounded to have a sense of community so when we feel alone isolated this ends our trusts. fewings that we can have so. Make sure that you have a community around you that you reach out to people and you're in a wonderful community the community that's wonderful but you can also you can join some groups that bring you joy and helps you to feel that list isolated so to have a very good network social network will help you manage your new estrus so now. Let's talk about ought to relieve daily stressors that we can have everyday you first of all. I want you to remember one thing from that video if consistency is key so make sure you do things daily and sometimes even often during the day. So is that something you're going to do. Maybe once a month you have to do with consistency. It's so important so the first thing I want to talk to you about is exercise. Exercise is such a wonderful key to LSU deal and cope with with stress every day. So make sure you move everything. Start where you are. You can go for outdoor walk for fifteen to twenty minutes make. I should use mets invade. I defer going out or peppermint to support you in the way that you decide to move a little bit something Paul you are used to more so you can go to the gym. You can go to class and you'RE GONNA win community as well altitude with the kids and laugh with them so we diffuse as citrus aisles and we put us a music on very loud and we said we we make fun of ourselves us. This is so good after trust full day this is so and useful. Make sure to pick your LV everyday to and this is such a powerhouse in your basis is gonna be really helpful especially with the Omega three are so good for our wellness onus so make sure you take your ill everyday anybody out there that that are taking down daily and no our wonderful they are. I have been taking them for two years years now and I would would impassively without them. Also I WANNA make a small and talk about people that maybe you're you're feeling too tired right now. It's it's too difficult for you to go outside and moves. Start where you are. You can't put a chair outside and just enjoying the sun for maybe ten to fifteen minutes and when you're it'll be able to go for walkers gopher there so just to to let you know that for thinking about you and that you can you can do things also wear you are so there's no comparison. They're just start where you are sell carries the second thing. I WanNa talk to you to do everyday so self care when it is it is to take care of yourself in a way that belongs to you. I know that for me every day morning and night to enjoy my Routine gene and I will have the immortal so this health care will not only out my skin for sure but I will enjoy the benefits from immortal for example that are so soothing and calming and our L. Pigmeat even to go to sleep at night. So don't think it's a small thing to to do this routine and it's wonderful. It's a very strong daily practice that you can practice at home enjoy some diy. Let's do like for example Michael and weekly all up and you can go understand. I've learned you'll find many recipes for face mask and a routine for your bathroom examples so mixture and you do that also far any tickets that makes your heart joyful hair care. That's something I'm going to share with you that that I like so much to do everyday is to odd wonder of Alavi locked in my hair and I'm going to have a low in my hair but at the same the report of this wonderful soothing and calming Shell Oil that else meat for my mind for the talks that can come mm-hmm and it's wonderful to put an ad to your hair chair also at the thirteen. WanNa talk to. You can stop the moment earlier on. It's typically so what do I do everyday to have a nice good sleep. That's so important. It's crucial I left for example to use this subject that we have and they have been using west of jail of copay Bob of serenity one of each maybe thirty minutes before I go to bed also. It is very important to make sure like I said that you have consistency. And you have a nice daily routine for for example to go and take your back so I could use. Maybe one cup of EPSOM salt in my head back and then I'll dry maybe six drops of lavender into in my body doc to relax and then it's so easier to go to sleep in good arrest. I like also something very fun to do at home that you can used to recycle. Your bottles is too. I mean if you want. A twenty drugs of serendipity are any idol that you like so twenty drought of serenade take us and then I add water. oddest pranked so have spray. My bed with this wonderful land. Make sure you shake well for us. Also something maybe admit different than we don't think about all the time is to get get a nice herbals and Roman Chamomile is wonderful. Wonderful so you could add one teaspoon in a cup and then you had one drop of Roman Mobile water may eighty five degrees not to make sure that you keep it direct temperature. So I'll have what drove over men camomile in one teaspoon of Iraq with water. And you just enjoy before you're going to sleep. It's so good so in addition to those daily practices that I spoke. Let me share with you. Some of the oils I lived in most using every suffering in the morning I love to the few citrus sales so for example this morning injury but I love grapefruit I love lemon lemon citrus. Bliss would be wonderful so it helps us to wake in the morning to start our day with a good sense of humor and smiling. You know out. It's very number two in the ways. Start Your Day and then something I like to use. Maybe for for some situation where I need to have a club each. This can be very stressful. So what I like to do is one avocado by modern to talk. I'm using my roles is essential on my neck and on my heart and like this is smell so good and I feel my heart wide open ready to serve in my heart to people so these are powerful tools for those situation after a stressful day. 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How You Can Use Conflict to Build a Better Team

Knowledge@Wharton

25:50 min | 2 years ago

How You Can Use Conflict to Build a Better Team

"Podcast is brought to you by knowledge award. Many of us think that avoiding conflict at all costs. Particularly in the workplace is a good thing, but can't conflict in the office actually produced positive results. Our next guest says, yes. Because disagreements amongst co workers is natural and avoiding it can actually create a business where dysfunction rains leeann Dave is author of the book, the good fight us productive conflict to get your team and organization back on track and a pleasure to ever. Joining us right now we an thank you for your time today. Your dan. Thank you. You know, many people might read the title of the book and come up with the, the theory of you actually want conflict in the office. So how do you tell them to respond to those? So what I would tell them you have conflict in the office because organizations create conflict when we have to make trade offs between different priorities. And when we have to allocate workload or decide who gets the promotion. So I'll tell you there is conflict there. The question is, whether it's above board and healthy. And, and in a way, you can get through it or whether it's passive aggressive, and kind of burning a root fire. So it's there, the question is just are you dealing with it effectively? So then how do you qualify a good fight in the office? Yeah. Great question. So I look at it at three levels. So at the organization's level, it's a good fight. If it helps you come to it helps you get through it and get to an outcome. That's good for the business at the level of the team. It's a good fight. If it strengthens trust among the team members instead of roading it and then personally, it's a good fight if at the end of the day, you get home and you'll look yourself in the mirror, and you're proud of yourself. Things make good. Five, and that's unique part to it about the going home piece, because you do talk about the fact that there are components of, of being involved in a good fight having a good find the office that you can actually carry over to your personal life. I had fun with that, because you see those car commercials, where in fine print says don't try this at home, and I actually put a chapter the end of this book called try this at home, these things all work really, really well actually yesterday just yesterday I was with a bunch of insurance executives, and, and I was helping them and how to have a better fight with each other. And one of needed a lot of help and at the end said I guess that's why I'm divorced. And we kind of laughed on comfortably because the answer is yes, it probably is. I was gonna ask you, do you have to preface that, that specific instance, by sending an Email to the spouse ahead of it saying, this may pop up in the near term. Absolutely warning world here, he comes now, armed with better conflict kills right? We're joined by leeann Davey, who's the author of the book, the good fight us productive conflict to get your team and organization back on track your comments, welcome at eight four four Warton, eight four four nine four two seven eight six six or if you'd like send us a comment on Twitter at biz radio BI Z radio one thirty two or you can use my Twitter account, which is damn Loney Twenty-one, I guess it's a unique time to, to discuss a topic like this, because we see more and more companies LAN wanting to put teams together. They look at how the mixture of employee's is within the company. They really are thinking about a lot of these components to make the workplace better. Yes, I guess the question is we see some organizations that put teams together to get healthy tension and to make business decisions better? But we see other teams trying to put teams together to keep things. Harmonious. Because they're over over in with this idea of harmony and engagement. And so I would say we're people are being more deliberate about setting at the teams. The thing I'm worried about is the ones that are setting up the team to create a bunch of bobbleheads that all kind of go along with one another. That's really dangerous. Right. Because the, the, the yes person in the office, that's kind of been an idea in offices for a long time. That, that has been frowned upon a little bit. Yeah, it has. But now, if you go to one of those airport bookstores and look at all the book titles you see that the most common word in the titles is happiness. So the books that are now kind of selling on the workplace. They're all this sort of false sense that our workplaces can be kind of uniformly happy. So we're beyond our concerns about the yes man, and were into this time, where suddenly conflict is a dirty word, and that's a big concern for a lot of businesses. And so. If you think about a team across team of people always have to tell people tension and conflict, isn't the antithesis of humor. It's the purpose of it. You know, if we didn't need different perspectives, wouldn't need a team. So I say conflict is a feature not a bug on teams. And I think most organizations these days, don't recognize there is an element within some companies. I would imagine that when you have conflict and you have not enough, good conflict to be able to clear the air win needed and be able to move on that it ends up having a an impact potentially on the bottom line of the company. Yeah. Absolutely. So if you have unhealthy conflict, it's going to a really stifle innovation because people are going to stay in their silence. They were at safe, right? I'm not going to expose my ideas and myself to criticism. So you lose a lot of innovation. The other thing you lose if if people begin to fear conflict, and think it's an unhealthy thing they don't you know, spot the risks and your plans. If I'm in your plans, and you can find your Uragan ization starts to build up some concerns, and risks, because you aren't good at conflict. So, yeah, I've if you've had unhealthy conflict, you put yourself at significant risk, because then people just avoid all conflict, and you lose the good with the bad. We're talking about the book the good fight us productive conflict to get your team and organization back on track. Leeann Dave is the author of the book joining us on the phone. You're listening to knowledge award here on Sirius XM one thirty two business radio powered by the word in school. Now, one of the reasons you say that, that we end up having these issues in the workplace is because we as people are conflict averse, and that ends up being a significant kind of lead into a lot of these issues. Yeah. Absolutely. So as human we're biologically wired to try and get along with the people in our in group. Right. So you didn't get voted out of the caving by the sabertooth tiger. So that made a lot of sense, so we're already board slightly conflict averse, but then we're so Shalayel by by the grandmas says, if you can't say anything, nice, don't say, anything L, and by our teachers to mind our own business. And there's all these messages that come through all the time that make us conflict verse. And don't help us to understand that conflict is definitely a natural part of healthy relationships. But if you think of the me, too movement, and things like that conflict is also a really important defense against unhealthy relationships. If you don't know how to advocate, if you don't realize that some things are worth fighting for then, you know, you put everybody at risk. So then I it's one thing to be able to deal with a conflict with another co worker in the office. How does it change at all? When you're. Talking about dealing with the manager or your boss a little bit. There are some tricks to speaking truth to power. So one would be make sure you tie your point to something that matters for the business. So it's not just that, you know, I'm cranky and don't like this. It's you know, here's what we're trying to achieve this quarter. And here's how it continues this way. I'm not going to be able to achieve that for our customers for the expense line, or so, tying it more to the business. Performances key with a boss and other thing that's key with the boss is to use language. That's more questioning more open. So don't go in baking definitive statements, and standing in your power poses, when you're talking to your boss. Instead, you wanna say you know what if or you know, would it be possible, if us questions so that there's room for you to pivot, if the boss react poorly, those kinds of things are little techniques that I go into in the book about how to adopt slightly. But, but in general, it's the same kind of. Thing you wanna make sure you're listening to the to the pressures on your boss. And what they're trying to communicate with you that you're, you're really validating and showing them that you're hearing them and you get it. Those sorts of things are important. Any conflict, just says a little a little twist of being a little bit more strategic when you're speaking truth to power. So it sounds like that, in many cases, the conflict between co worker and co worker and co worker in boss are very similar. There are just some tweaks that that need to occur along in the process. Yeah, absolutely. Because essentially, if you're in a fight with your boss, it's because you're not meeting, her needs at some level, which is, you know, she's feeling a ton of pressure to deliver the results or whatever. And something in it makes her feel like you're not hearing her. You're not delivering for her. You're not reliable. You're not capable. That's what creates a conflict with your boss, and it's still very human. It's still your boss feeling vulnerable because of your performance. And, and if we could. Remember that it's humans that are having these conflicts at the problem in most workplace conflict, is we go on and on. And on fighting about the facts and conflict in the workplace is never about facts. If it was just about facts. We'd be problem-solving. It's about, you know, our emotions. But more importantly, it's about what we value. And you know how we experienced things what matters to us. And that's what's underneath it. Also, if you can realize your bosses a human as vulnerable as you as worried as you and then you realize that how you have conflict with your boss, just as much needs to take into account how they're experiencing the situation as it does. You know what the right answer is? That's unique unique concept of and thought process there because I would venture to say most employees don't or very rarely see their boss, as having a, you know, a side that, that, that has issues that you know that that has some conflict in it. Yeah. Exactly. They, they just. Don't even relate to them as humans. I think when you're starting to get into an uncomfortable situation with your boss. Take a moment to say what our pressures right? What's his boss harping on him for? Let's see worried about what would be the worst case scenario for him. And, and how can I behave in a way that's going to minimize those fears and increase his confidence in me? Those are the sorts of things that are going to get you to the other side of a conflict with your boss, but continually digging in and feeling wounded and feeling the victim and always thinking about your experience of the situation is gonna leave. You stuck. And actually, have you come off as a, as a less and less reliable person for your boss, and that sort of thing are there times where it's probably not good to, to deal with the conflict, like, maybe to take some time away. And and then let the let the situation calmed down, or for the most part, can you work through almost every situation, depending on the, the dynamic. Yeah. You can work through many, many, many more of them than you think. So one of the key things is, you know, we try and back away or put off postpone a lot of these things because we fear that things are gonna get to emotional, and I would say, our fear of emotions in the workplace is too high. So again, if we go back to the idea that we're actually humans at least until we're all replaced by Botts, we're, we're humans in the workplace and so- emotions are going to happen. So if if you fear, you know, I'm gonna get upset or I'm gonna get angry or those sorts of things, you know, you may want to take a break for a few minutes. But even if a few tears Certa roll down your faith, you know what you can do say, you know, look, you can see how important this is to me right to frame it, as you know, this is because I'm all in this is because I'm engaged at rate, or even saying, you know, if I start pounding the table and getting angry just the chance to say, you know, I get carried away with this, because it Matt. Her so much to me. Or because I'm so invested in it. So even if there's emotions that come to the fore, the other to, you know, kinda work through them and get to the other side, if on the other hand, you know, tear start to well in your eyes and you leave the room and well, then you have the awkward horrible moment, we have to come back later like sorry, you know, better to just say, in the moment. Yep. I'm emotional because this batters and I care and I'm all in and keep going, you know, I'll be fine, those sorts of things. So, you know, even the risk, we'll get emotional is not a reason to avoid a conflict. You know, one of the good reasons to avoid a conflict is that it's really going to be something that is not right in the moment. If your team is dealing with a crisis. It's not the time to be talking about, well, if we'd hug better planning, right? No, not the time. Right. Get out of the way, get the job done. Have you others backs? Right. And, and then come back at another time, where it's like, okay, what did we learn from? What do we wanna do differently next time? So there are moments or you need to pick your battles or pick your time. And but, but those ones that we do all the time where we don't, let's take this off line because I think that it's getting to emotional or it could get uncomfortable. Those are bad reasons to postpone accomplish. What about a situation where you would have to people that maybe have very different kind of priorities in the workplace and they have a level of conflict. Yeah. So again, if we go back to this idea that conflict intention, or a feature, not a bug I say, that's a good thing. So if you're sitting at that table, and you can see that they're pulling on either ends of, of a row. And it's a great situation where you can stop. Minding your own business and actually say, hey, what I'm hearing here is, you know, you're coming at this from the sales perspective, which is let's get as much out the door in this month as we possibly can and you're coming out from the supply chain perspective and you're worried. About, you know, making sure we don't have to leave a bunch of stuff in the warehouse or okay? The those things both seem really valid. What our options for, you know, getting the right amount of stuff out the door without back, logging stuff in the inventory, ESF you're somebody watching those kinds of tension with happening is the two people stuck in that tug of war are interpreting it as, as friction between them as people like you're a jerk. You know what do you mean? You won't let me hit my sales numbers vice versa. And, and if you can say, if you can frame it in a way, this is look both of these things are true. And both of these things are important. How are we gonna solve for for this? If we gotta deal with both of these things, you as third person, now, instead of a tug of war, dynamic, you, you create this triangle, where there's a little bit more space to say. Oh, this isn't actually a fight. These are two tensions that, you know, the sales and operations pension will be there till the end of time and a better be there. It's good for our businesses. And so if you. Can frame it more as you know, this is a good tension. And we just gotta figure out this guy's this isn't a fight. This is actually just a problem. We gotta saw. We've gotta optimize here. So you can do a lot of good when there's a fight on your team. That's you know, seeming a bit like those old Miller lite where you're fighting about whether it's taste greater less filling. Hang on, guys. You know, it could be both at the same time and then you know what do we do with that? We're joined by leeann Davey, who is the author of the book the good fight us productive conflict to get your team organization back on track. You're listening to knowledge award in here on Sirius XM one thirty two business radio. Powered by the word school. Dan looney in our studios here in Philadelphia. But there are variety of different issues that Alavi Slee will pop up over the course of your time working there. But if you are the new person in the office, and you're either trying to kind of fit into the organization or if you're somebody that's established, and you are working with a new person. How do you kind of bridge that gap as well? So new people. Get to, you know, they get that free pass for a while to ask those awesome, naive questions, which aren't always quite so nice and, and that can be really helpful. So because when you come in, as a new person, you have that moment where you can be curious where you don't know where you don't know the baggage. But right, all those sorts of things you have on the gossip yet, and so I would encourage people who are new to stick to questions great question as opposed to making statements. So nobody likes that guys like m my past job, right? And tells you all the time about how it was so much better. So instead, just say okay, you know, I'm surprised to hear you say that can you give me some of the context for why we approach it that way. That's a great question. That meat may actually highlight some assumptions or just we do it that way. 'cause we've always done it that way, but it's going to do it in a more gentle way. You're gonna as a new person us questions to draw people's attention to different spots as the as the person who's on board. A new person hoping the mother stands, some of those dynamics helping them understand what I call the hidden organization chart. So you this is what it says on the chart. But here's who you really need to know some of the stakeholders here, here, the folks where, you know, they seem scary, but they're not go make friends with them or hear the people that don't seem scary, but they are, you know, here's how to kind of get on the right side of them, or those kinds of things that can be really helpful to help the new person to navigate some of those things. How do you think then all of this, the division discourse that we've been having in our culture over the last few years has played into the dynamics of trying to deal with some of these issues in the offices. Well, yeah, I think it really has. So, so we are in this very unpleasant time where we're not actually having conflict where staying in our own echo, chambers telling ourselves how smart we are. And how right we are. But we're not engaging with other. So there's no connection. There's no line of communication between different camps. And that if that's what's going on. You know, on your Facebook feed if that's what's happening when you're, you know tailgating, and those are the kinds of conversations it just becomes natural that carries over to the office that we have this point in time where we're not talking to one another. We're we're pulling apart and just staying with the people who think, like we do. And that's an incredibly negative thing. And, you know, it's one thing for the country, it's another thing if, if it's going to stall your productivity growth, as a company and make it a kind of miserable place to go to work every day. So you fight that urge resist the energy to kind of stay only with people who think like you do and find places to seek out the people who think differently and try to learn what makes something differently. What's driving that? How is their perspective different than mine house, the value? They're adding different than mine. And you know, and how is the tension? They're putting on my ideas. Healthy and good and needed. If we're going to come to the best answer. I it's challenging for everybody within the company, but in terms of kind of the structure of the company, how much is the conflict different when you're when you continue to move up the chain, like maybe it will be one level from employees to middle manager. But obviously, it will be something totally different from mid manager to somebody in the suite. Yeah. The place where I see the biggest jump as you know, managers it's pretty good 'cause you're mostly dealing with stuff with your own team where you have relationships you have trust. It's that middle management layer where for the first time to be successful. You start counting on people in other departments that were gets painful. That's where, and I find people tend to ask me, more questions about how to deal with their peers in other departments, and they do about their boss. There's a relationship with their boss. They figure out how to, you know, kind of move through uncomfortable conversations delicately, but they get there, but how to deal with their peers and I think a lot of. That comes from the fact that we, we kind of know how to operate in a in a situation where we understand the power, you know, and when we're talking to our employees, we know we have power, and we're talking to our boss. They have power and it's pretty clear and we've learned over the years how to deal with that. But all of a sudden were in these matrix organizations or situations where we're dependent on one another, but, you know, I'm not there boss. They're not mine. We don't know losing control, and we're terrible at dealing with those situations where we need influence because that's where we actually have to have those good fights to get to a resolution so middle managers or the people have a ton of empathy for, and, you know, we do see some of that challenge rising right up into the sea suite, there are a couple of tools that you suggest in the book, and I wanted to touch on them before the end of our time here, I is the YouTube. Can you go into explaining what it is? And, and how it is an important factor in dealing with this good conflict. Yes. The YouTube is about neutralising conflict before it even happens. So, you know, so much of our work in organizations on conflict has been about to help has been about training people, how to deal with the conflict in the moment. And, you know, we have all these difficult and fierce conversation skills, but we're not using them because, you know, we don't like conflict and we have all those voices in our head from our grandmother, telling us that we shouldn't. So the YouTube will actually helps you neutralize avoid conflicts in the first place. And it comes on this, basic idea that the number one reason we get into conflict is because we disappoint one another. That's because we didn't understand the expectation up front. It wasn't clear and the busier managers guide in the more frenetic, our workplaces become the more we shortchange those conversations up front about. Here's what good looks like. Here's the context, here's what I need you to do. So the Utah will is this great till you can use with your team. And I provide all the instructions in the book, but how to take your team through it to clarify expectation. Here's what I need to give to you to set you up for success. Here's what good work looks like here's what we expect a manager to add in reviewing work. Here's the stuff we need to escalate. And we need to, you know, have no surprises idea for for management. So it takes you through this whole process. So that if you know what's expected of you. It's much less likely anybody's going to disappoint one another. And then it's much less likely that we're gonna get into conflict. The other one is the tarp. Yeah. So the tarp is reframing that tug of war, the tool that goes with this idea that, that tension is a feature not a bug. So it's a tool in a process that allows you to go right around the table defining, how each person's pulling on a different rope. What that looks like in terms of what they're focused on and who their stakeholders are, and it allows you to normalize conflict. So instead of me thinking that, that, you know, everyone else's a jerk, and they're, you know, trying to get me down that instead I now understand, now they're living up to their obligation. And that's the. Attention. They're going to put on every every conversation. And as soon as we frame this, we normalize it as, oh, this is productive and healthy tension. Instead of interpersonal friction, then we get much more comfortable, having a good site. You talk at the end of the book about a variety of habits of one of the interesting ones is involved humor and also involved code words, as well. I love codeword. So I'll tell you wanna see e oh, who was a bit of a micromanager, and he loved to use the Russell Crowe flick film gladiator at all his shift retreat and seen where Russell Crowe rides down off the hill, and jumps off his horse and stops search chopping off people's heads. And this is just such a perfect metaphor for how he is the leader comes down off the ridge all the time. Micro-managing. So one day he was months later, he was into the situation and he's micromanaging a marketing manager about four layers below him in the organization. And one of his teammates leans over and says back on the horse, which is just a funny way of saying, dude, you're micro managing, but when you humor and code words that the reaction the moment what he did is he laughed he smiled because he knew exactly what he was doing. And then he was able to just say you know what, you know about this at me. I trust you. And so when we can do that with one, another have sunny language or code words, it diffuses, the emotion around these sorts of things and allows us to kind of move through it with, with a smile on our face instead of, you know, getting angry or annoyed or feeling hurt. That's that gentlemen could also have used Mel Gibson's William Wallace in brave ardizzone, if he wanted to do that, too. He could have gone that way. Although he's, he's an Englishman, so yeah. He wouldn't like that. Like that. No, he would not have leeann, thanks for your much for your time today. It's a great book and, and a great learning tool for a lot of people. Thank you for coming on the show today. Thanks, dan. All the best land Davey, again, the book is the good fight us productive conflict to get your team and organization back on track. Pleasure to have her joining us on the show right now for more insight from knowledge at Warton, please visit knowledge dot Morton dot U. Penn dot EDU.

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David Wright: Survivor 38 Post Game Q & A

Rob Has a Podcast

1:10:09 hr | 2 years ago

David Wright: Survivor 38 Post Game Q & A

"Everybody what's going on. Rob sister, Nino, a back here, and we're back to talk again about survivor the edge of extinction, and I'm very excited to have with us here in the studio tonight. Great friend of mine who participated in or season thirty eight was one of the four returnees, and came by tonight after work to talk a little bit about the season and catch up here is the great two-time survivor. David Wright, David, how're you? I'm annoyed. Like why do you always have to have cast members from millennials versus genetic? No, you can't edge of extinction. Now. Okay. Good. All right. That's good. Yes. And David Wright has brought his lovely girlfriend with him tonight. Lia Lee is off off microphone, but she is waving his high serving as David rights publicist if he forgets anything, let us know let us know. So we're not going to go through the whole thing gone through to a bunch of times. But David was good enough to come by this week and figure. Let's talk a little bit about the season answer. Some questions and get into wherever David wants to go. Oh, fun, fun. Yeah. I mean. Yeah, how do you wanna start? We could start with the prep that I did before the how have you been? I've been good. I mean I said on the reunion, moved in with Lia, which is really exciting. I'm like an adult now finally, and I started new job, starting lower deck's which is a half hour intimated Star Trek show, which can't say too much about because I signed an NDA, but it's like an adult comedy. I'm like it's dream come true. You work with John Cochran. I work with John Cochran when I saw survivor South Pacific, and caramel, and I saw Cochran like, oh my God. This guy complaint arriver, then maybe I can play survivor. And so that's when I started applying right after Karen and, and then to finally get on survivor twice, and then to now be car pooling to and from work with Cochran. It's crazy. It was we take his tesla, which drives itself, which is unbelievable. So nobody touches the steering wheel. You have to leave your hands on the steering wheel has this, because it checks it every few seconds actually much safer than Cochran driving. Yeah. Is it is actually you're not wrong. And actually just updated the software. So I think he can do like surface streets and stuff. And this Cochran knows about Star Trek. He he is learning more about it. He was for the jokes. Yeah. He's for the jokes. He wasn't like a huge fan beforehand, but I think like he's actually really starting to like it a lot now. And yeah he's just he's such a trip. Actually, the don't, don't feel threatened, but CBS actually asked us to record our conversations for podcast. Yeah. We're not doing that, though. Okay. So unlike anybody else who plays makes starts new podcast. We're not doing that. There's a lot of that not, not as much, but there's still still out of that. I appreciate that anyway. So all right. Was survivor the edge of extinction? Crazy experience for you. I'm sure and a wild ride and view it wasn't that long. Before you went out there that you came came by here. I put my foot in my mouth, and I talked about how you had the survivor season thirty eight coming up. When you came to do the know it alls. Yeah. You had a panic attack right nervous, you get. Yeah. Like if you watch that v again, I think you can see the panic in my eyes, unlike China like laugh, it off and stuff. And you just nailed like, what's actually David Wright survivor season thirty eight I'm like, oh, my God. Oh my God. Like CBS is listening. Yeah. You idea I hadn't heard a rumor at her anything, and I would never I would never do that to someone. Like, like blow up their spot on a live show. So I was so beyond my imagination that, that was what was happening. Yeah. And I remember we got dinner after we recorded that podcast. And then I was great because I could pick your brain about any advice you had for going back as you done it. And, and you're so helpful we get into that. But yeah, you really you really like put me gave me a panic attack that night, David any st- anything that you want to share with us about your your prep? I saw in the Ponderosa videos, you had books that you may need to get ready to go and play survivor again. Yeah. I made these puzzle books, basically I screen capped every single puzzled driver as ever had and, and the you know the results speak for themselves that I ended up winning the season. And now. Actually lost a lot of puzzles. But yeah, this two volume set and this must say something like weird about me, may I go ahead flip through your some of your advices in there. Even in the back, you can look. Yeah. What's my advice? Well, you get really good advice before I went out, you said, you know, I've already played once it's it's a mixed season. So don't be the hero. You're not lose Skywalker. This time you need to be the Yoda you need to be like the advisor and let somebody else, let a new BBB the Skywalker. And actually, I think it looks Rick. Devon for sure. That's Rick Devon's. Yeah. And Rick, and I, we talked a lot about what we wanted to do out there. And I think not that Rick, by the way, even needed my advice. He's, he's a naturally great survivor player in so likable, which everybody can tell from watching, but, but yeah, I took your advice to heart, and I you also said, try to project and be like a source of comfort for other players to do that as well. And I just kind of, like tried to keep my foot off the blaming me for. Not at all. I did. I think I did as well as I did because of you probably would have done worse without here advice. But yeah, I just wanted to kind of keep my foot off the gas, especially in the beginning of the first time I played. I mean I I fly. At the gas, Florida. I was like playing like a crazy person. Yeah. And that just wasn't going to work this time. It did seem like you that you came in more, calm this time around and were able, they didn't seem nearly as nervous as you were the first time you've played, and it helps having gone through it before. But yeah, I wanted to, like I wanted to project confidence. I didn't wanna like seeing like playing too hard and looking for idols. Although I did look for idols but not as much as I did the first time. And yeah it's. It was a much more. It was an easier. Experience this time that way. Whereas I was like just losing my mind in the first time in crying in the jungle by myself. There's a lot less crying. This time, could you have imagine, though, that it would have gone sideways as much as it did in terms of the tribe that you were on? Oh my God. I mean, I sure could. Yeah. As soon as I saw joke onto the boat and realized he wasn't on my drive. And like I don't know this is going to go so well into lose challenge after challenge after challenge and just get so beaten down. Yeah. You comma was so lucky to have Joe. And in addition, everything they were bringing to it. But like he is like an absolute challenge beast and statues should be should be made of you were a part of this group that you just with Lou. I don't mean to pick it a scam but you guys struggled so much. We did. Yeah. Like I mean, I again, volunteered myself as the puzzle guy had studied these books night after night before the game started and, and actually some of the obviously some of the puzzles in these books, actually recurred, and I realized now and I even knew it then. But this is sort of calmed, me down. This is a way to, like making these books was way to, like, put all my nervous energy, and I had to, like, well, what can I do I have to, like prep as much as I possibly can? But, but yeah, we get out there. And I just was not delivering on the puzzles. And none of us were really delivering on the physical aspects of challenges. And just God defeat after defeat and is demoralizing, and you start believing that, like, you know what we, we may never actually win that just might be, how this goes and it's pretty much how it went except for one. Yeah. Which was when alternately they voted against Aubrey right which after seeing that happen. You know, the first time they went to tribal, and then return, he goes home and, and Kellyanne, I look like it's just what we feared is happening. We have to work together we have to work together and it just ended up really being lip service on both sides I before the game started. I wanted to work with her. I really it was my plan and, and we had a conversation like let's work together. You know, we're, we're shields for each other. And you know she just very quickly found herself in a click with Lauren and war dog that I really was on the outs of end. So as Rick, and I found like the most trusted person I've ever. Ever played survivor with an wreck. So we call ourselves the less too. No, no, we, we put, Rick, Rick. Rick was awesome. So I was like. Like anybody anything from Monaco who wants to own that nobody? Nobody wants that Wendy is the monarchy one. Yeah. Who I thought I thought her name was big Wendy for the longest time. And I was like, why would that be your name big, big windy, windy like like, like some kind of like a flatulent reference or something? Yeah. Yeah. And I don't know why she had a necklace around her neck that said, Wendy, I don't know why that wasn't a clue you seem to really abe- fascinated with the idea of keeping big Wendy around where I went back and I watched the season when I started doing these interviews and you seem like a really intrigued by the idea of she's what, what a great smoke screen, big Wendy is. It's almost like with big Wendy, around almost anything is on the table because everybody's always going to want to vote out big, Wendy. Can you talk about that in hindsight was was that was was that falls gold, or do you think that, that's a really good thing on survivor that people should take advantage of, I think people should take advantage of that? I mean having found myself on the outs with the what would later become the less who three. I hope no one takes any offense to this. But like I related and got along a lot better just in with the game play and just like people like talk to strategize and hang out with, with, with kind of the nerds, like an outcast like Rick and, and, and Wendy and Keith, and even remem- very briefly. So, you know, that was an end there was so much focus on Wendy with all of the things that she was doing that. Like it was I thought a good idea to keep around and she was working with me, like she also like at that point, I felt like Kelly was going to come after me, and she was all about wanting to get rid of Kelly and timing is everything, and it ended up not working out when Wendy wanted wanted it to really frustrated or to no end because I kept pulling my finger off the trigger when it looked like Wentworth was going to find out what was going to happen. I didn't want my fingerprints on it. You know, do you feel like in hindsight, looking back at it to you feel like that it would have been? The right move to take the shot at Kelly, or it would have been the right move to get on the same page is Kelly with Kelly earlier way, better to get on the same page with Kelly earlier, which is again what I wanted to do. But and again, we had, I would say four conversations over the course of our time there, where we said that out loud to each other. Like let's do that. Let's work together, and for the most part that didn't really happen. Yeah. Waiting and put, by the way, like it was never personal. I love Kelly. We get along fine. You know, it was it was never anything personal about her. But I just felt like we just weren't like strategizing together, we weren't including each other. And it's like it was hard to really get a sense of where her head was at as now. I know that she at least early on at no intention of going after me, which was the smart move, because we were shields for each other. But I wish we. Could've like just worked started strategized together more than we did. And it just didn't work out that way, could you talk about your relationship with a Rick? I know that some of the listeners wanted to know what was it about Rick that you had this instant connection with him? Well, everybody knows that Rick is just so funny and likeable. But in addition to that, I think. We see the game very similarly like when we almost like read each other's minds, and like when we'd be like talking about, like what, what, what I want to do with this vote or who should we talk to? We just always came to the same conclusion, and it was such a natural really easy, working relationship. The best I've ever had in survivor, and even like outside is it was so incredibly easy, like, working on this sort of creative almost endeavor, and it was just painless. And I knew and our like our loyalty with each other was so strong that we could disagree on vote. It only really happened once and still come back to get knowing that we could work together. It was awesome to find that out there. How did you not get voted out? When Rick Devon's got out. Well at that point, I believe it was between Rick and Lauren. Yeah. And I think, you know, I believe that. Kelly probably wanted to keep me around for her own reasons as shield. Had I not been returning newbie probably would have been for sure. Either mea, Rick and Rick was like love the guy to death. I he's so fucking awesome Rick if you're listening. You know, I love you great. He, he, he would admit this probably already has. He would he would play sometimes a bit emotionally and people saw that. And like I think that probably. For Kelly, maybe, and whoever else it may be a little like Radic at times. He wasn't a lot, but when he would get emotionally get emotion, I think that they're like, well shit. What's sorry? Occurs. What's he gonna do? And again, I'm shield for Kelly, so okay, I want bounce around a little bit and be a little extemporaneous. And so when you went to the edge of extinction. I feel like that it was double episode and we saw you voted out first. And then we saw you find the advantage and send it to Devon's in the second half of that episode. And then I feel that we don't see you again on the edge of extinction. Except when you're reading your letter. Yeah, we're, we're were you were. You did you is like I saw that the other returning players a lot were to were, or at least in the moments that we saw them. They seem like they're together, but it was like you seem like that you went up and set up camp somewhere else. Yeah, I wasn't part of the big returning hug, you know what it really was. I except for one day or one or two days, I think, we're where people were helping me. People are getting, clams, and fish for like, maybe not fish when I was there. But, like for the most part, I was like the only one gathering food I was gathering. I went crabbing learning crab really well, I brought like I would like put like a dozen crabs in my pocket as went around the islands where I was I was walking around the island crabbing and trying to bring them back. I was feeling so weak, then I'm like, well, if nobody else is gonna bring food back, then I'm gonna and I thought for sure Joe would. But he was I understand everybody's motivation. They were trying to conserve their energy. 'cause we all knew that there's going to be a challenge to get back in the game. And way, I was feeling. Right. Then, like I was so completely exhaust. I'm like I need something. It got so bad that I was eating the crab shells and just needed calories and actually and night, I would like sneak off and steal a coconut 'cause I, Joe I love you to death. But every time I would open up a coconut in front of Joe, he would take it and like eat it and. I'm like, what the? I couldn't say anything like this guy could potentially be a jury member for me. So I would like okay, and he wouldn't he would share too, don't get me wrong. But, like I would open up a coconut so that could just eat it for myself because I was so hungry. And then he would just like he would just take into start like divvying it out, like mostly with him. Eating it and anyway, I don't trash Joe. I just, just coconut banding. So I would get up in the middle of the night, three in the morning and, and steal a coconut and race off and open up with machete. Eat it myself. I remember one night, actually this was a hunting thing that Joe did. And there was no way, I was going to ever eat this. He took the Hawaiian sling. I think it was, and he tried to kill a rat with it, and I'm like, I'm not gonna eat a rat, like I'm starving. I'm not gonna eat a rat. I dunno crabs and coconuts. That's, that's where I was at was the edge of extinction. Extremely difficult for you. I talked to. Aubrey this week. And she talked about, you know. It was harrowing a Cording to what Aubrey was telling me about how was the experience overall for you. I mean it was it was very hard. It was a lot harder than the islands inside the game. There was less food. And also, you didn't have the distractions of challenges and like sort of like the adrenaline that goes with that it was just sort of this, like flat lining, like just depression, almost right where, like I, I need something to happen, and every three days or whatever you get a new member. Although that kind of sucked because then you're sleeping areas started getting smaller and smaller. So that was like another negative about it. Ron was telling me how when a new person came to the edge of extinction that then they couldn't get a spot by fire. Yeah. Yeah. That hazing I wasn't hazing anybody picked my spot. I'm like, I'm just going to like, you know, stay here. Never move. This is now my spot. But yeah, it just got smaller and smaller. Baller as more people arrived. But and the thing as far as Aubrey, I mean she was there so much longer than than I was. I got there twenty five so I didn't have all that much two weeks. And, but it was like, everybody, like bonded there. It was it was really cool that way like you got to have those kind of bonding moments that normally you wouldn't get until you're ponder, Rosa today are having it inside sort of the game like possibly. But yeah I just like Eric was really great about every night. He we were guessing like how many days until that challenge would happen, because you don't know when it's coming, but we guest and he had a rock that represented each day at the end of each day. We do like this little ceremony. It was his idea, and he would just like we would each hold the take a turn holding the rock and say something about the day, like why it was a good day or just some positive, uplifting thing to sort of, like keep them Arale up and keep going days. Lasted? Like seemingly longer than twenty four hours. And then at the end. He would take the rock and throw it off into the ocean as if that day is done, and there's chilling be this many days left until the challenge by the way, we miscalculated that because we needed more rocks because when we thought the challenge was going to happen. It was a little bit lazy. And that was really demoralizing, it's like, oh, crap I thought I thought we were already done. We still have to go through this for more days, because it was it was hard out there and the rice was so far away to go up hill to get it each morning. And it was only a little bit of a tiny amount that, you know, you ate for lunch or breakfast and dinner and just wasn't enough calories. I ended up losing more weight this time than I did my first time. And it was actually, you know, technically less days, a thirty five days compared to thirty eight I played who were you tight with on the edge of extinction. I was I was really grateful for this. I got really close with remem-. Yeah. And I'm glad because like first of all, what an amazing story she has first boot and lasting all the way to the end, and she, she initially we saw was pretty bitter about it, but then really? She would like make amends with everybody that, you know, obviously, she's meeting people sometimes for the first time, but she was just so great to be around, and like never. Never, like maybe didn't come off this way on the show, but like she was really a positive person. And she was like still motherly, which is honestly, even though that was kind of a negative and part of the reasons she got voted out. It's actually really great thing on the edge. And she actually one day helped me. I say in quotes Rame I love you to death, but she helped me fish but really she was just like yelling or crab. And she was yelling at the crabs I think, scaring them. They're running away, even faster but, but she was just really a delight actually, I play chess with her now on an app game. Pigeon. I'm just like really great play chess on the edge. Right. We we did play chess on the edge. That's interesting. I hadn't listened to was was wrong, or whoever but yeah, I can't remember who made is Chris, and I think it was either maybe Chris, Eric who made the set. And it was really hard to play chess because. It's like shells, and you have to remember, though, this shells, a Bishop and this shows a rook and it's like and you forget, like, wait, where's the king? But yeah, we, we actually started a chess tournament, which you've never actually ended up finishing people kind of sick, if I think, but yeah, yeah, now remain, I are chest buddies. I wanna talk about the final trouble council, and you are going to be a vote for Chris. I know a lot of people were in the fandom. Not happy that Chris went onto win. We talked about this a lot with Aubrey in the last one of these podcasts that I did. But do you feel any bit that you somebody who was a student of the game? Somebody who's been part of the traditional survivor game. Did you feel that way on you at all of to cast a vote for the person who? Played for thirty nine days. Yeah. Yeah. No, I mean I definitely thought about it. Like I knew after it was all over. Kind of talk, and, you know who actually won or at least you have a strong sense of it. And like, yeah, I knew that, like there would be a very large reaction to, you know. Voting for a winner, who did play a days wise. So few compared to obviously, Julian Gavin you didn't go to the edge wants. But I just thought that like excuse me. I thought that Gavin and Julie, they played great games nothing against him. I thought Gavin probably could have made a stronger case in terms of the moves. He made. And you know. You know, I think same with Julie, but Chris with the little amount of time he had did so much with them, you know, like giving up immunity. Whipping challenge on purpose and getting learned player idle so. Yeah. I mean the thing about Chris. Through the first jail. He got learned player idol on him. He gave up immunity and went to fire. He got Rick to give him the idol BAC. He played a great game for the little amount of days. He was in it. And I and so I wanted to reward that in addition, like I'm a TV writer, and I thought Chris had a better story in that, like he went to the edge, and came back and I just think that, that's a better story and resonates with him. That's kind of why a number of one of the reasons I voted for him. Was it close for you between Gavin? And Chris, I wasn't I had to think about it. I really did. But I was. Leaning already going into final thing that I was going to give it to Chris, and I always say, I spent a lot of time on the edge with Chris and people can say that's unfair whatever but like. One of the advantages to being out there. You get to Greece. The jury so sorry. All you haters out there. Tell me some stories that we haven't heard yet about this season. Any anything from life after the merge that you want to get into or anything else? That was that we haven't seen or talked about. I don't know of anybody talked about this. This is not after the merge, but I just want to say like night, three was the worst night or out there for their wives weatherwise. Yeah. Like we're all talking about, like, oh, man, we just sent Ramon, but jokes on us. We're getting like wet here, and she's like eating a sandwich backer. Ponder roseanne. Little did we know the horrible night that she was having. And I'm sure she'll talk about that 'cause she didn't. She couldn't get a fire started. Anyway, that's her story to tell, but it was so like the worst night, we woke up just completely pruned, and it just seemed like the sun was never going to come up, and we were just gonna I really have never been that cold in my life. And I was like lee-ing my back up against war dog, like stay warm. And, and just like you're you're closer to soaking wet, and it's the worst. It's so terrible, so terrible. And I'd been on that island before. But this was the second season of the year. It's going into winter. And that's why there's so much colder. I'm I was expecting something like what happened the first time but it actually. So it's colder in, when you play in the even season and it's warmer and wetter in the odd-numbered season. Yeah. And I'll take warmer and wetter over colder any day and actually when I was going shopping with Lia for my close to in the game. You know, I was allowed to, to buy a jacket, and there was, there's one jacket that was like head lot of padding really warm. But it was like really expensive. And then there's this other jacket that was really thin and cheap and thin cheap one. And what a mistake that was because I remember being out there. I should listen to Liz, the warmer more expensive one and here I am. And this stupid flimsy thing, but anyway, it's. Yeah, it was incredibly cold. The weather was like a big obstacle out there in a way that it wasn't as much the first time in the preseason you talked about how you had an idea that you were going to plant a fake advantage. Did that ever come close to happening? I planted it. And nobody found it. No, no. Actually, I you know, I planned to do that. Had I made it deeper into the game. I thought I would never have done it pre merger because playing too hard in the beginning, especially if it gets back to people that you're the one that did. It's like, well, let's get rid of this guy. So I so. Yeah. So when when I was on the edge, I, I saw some paint right before ended up there, which everybody thought Joe took it was actually me. I, I still the black pain, everybody's but that. I stole the paint and I'd taken some fabric that we had a camp. And so you on the edge I was making the fake advantage and. With my really very careful calligraphy and play. I was going to had it made it back into the game I was absolutely going to hide it for somebody to find and mowing how that went when you talked with Rick Devon's in the game you told Rick Devon's you could you could cut me at four if you want to was that was that, that, you know that, you know how to make a fire as good as anybody and was just saying like, well you could just get rid of me at four. Yeah. I mean, the way the game is involved I felt great about being able to make fire. I was ready to do it. I, I mean I learned to make fire the first time I played, but I got even better in before this last time I could make it in about fifteen seconds and Adam Klein had said to me that the reason why the reason why survivor has the final four fire making is four is because of David. Well, I I yeah. I think they did make the fire making challenge to what was happening is, and please nobody take any of this. But I think they saw a pattern where like the person who was considered to be whatever strong in the season was getting voted off fourth or last, and happen your season, first time and so forth. Last I just. But, but yeah. And so, like the fire banking challenge was there to give player a fair chance. And. Anyway, leaves giving me looks right now. But anyway, I was, I was telling Rick that me out for you. Cut me at four I did feel really good about being able to to make fire. I wish Rick. You know. Very Chris one by the right. Chris Alavi Rick was like, as he just went through the ringer out there. And I wish he could have been able to get a better flame going. Okay. I have a lot of questions from the listeners of the podcast. I wanna get into those let me just quickly thank one of our sponsors. I think you might you might like this sponsor DC universe. The first all D C platform for DC fans we can watch read shop and even connect with other fans. Are you a comic book guy, David? 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A lot of questions year. For David Wright. Amy cook wants to know, do you feel like you had a better shot in an all star season. It seems like the edge of extinction was finally the breaking point where the newbies really did not want second or third time players at the final tribal council. Yeah. I mean, I know the history that returnees generally do better in a mix season but that said, I was still really nervous about coming in, in a mix season. And being an instant target. You know people t my game then they knew the kind of game I played and I was like I was afraid of going home first. And that's why like actually your advice again was really helpful as far as like not acting like Luke Skywalker, acting more like kind of a laid back, Yoda jet is been there before it doesn't need to do it again. But yeah, I think that, yeah, I probably would have a better chance in an attorney season, especially going forward, the way the game is evolved. But no. No regrets at all. My phone rang and it said, no caller ID on it. And I always know that, that means that survivor. And when they I wished I'd always meant there was. Marketers. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I now it's like from like, like a slightly different version than your phone number right? And that the way the, the spammers do scam likely. Yeah. But, but, you know, when survivor calls, and you're able to say, yes, and I was I wasn't working anywhere at the at the time. Yeah. It's like how can you turn down a chance at what's probably one in twenty chance at a million dollars? How you say no to that? And I was just so much fun. So no regrets going back. But yeah, I think in all return season especially going forward. I think my chances would be a little better. Just Cofre wants to know. What's the real reason you wanted Kelly outs was it really the arch EP interview that she did with that? I felt very badly. When I heard you talk about that in I one out that hurt an interview with Kelly, and she didn't say, she liked you, and you felt like that. That meant that. She didn't like you. Yeah, I first of all, that had no reason at all with me like targeting Kelly. I mean, I did have that in my head that, like, she probably isn't like my biggest fan, but I, I didn't think that she like didn't like me or hated me. And by the way, she doesn't, like we're fine. We're totally great. But no that didn't impact the game at all. But it is funny. I did like I was pretty sure Kelly was going to be out there as I said, I went out, so I did a Kelly went with deep dive. And I notice that when you asked her, like, who running for millennials gen-x right now? And he's like, not really anybody like okay fan. It was it was like the middle of season. I was like right after the merge who I am by that point. I that you had not fully blocked to fair. The the big threat. I'm sure if we did like an episode twelve recap. Yeah. I think she wouldn't she would have been right there. And you know what on the edge actually brought this up with Kelly. I said, you know, it's kind of funny, I listen to podcasts with Robin. And you know you didn't mention when he asked you, if you're waiting for you didn't mention anybody. And she goes well, but I tweeted at you and you got voted out fourth I'm like crap. That's right. She did. Let's go back. Okay, okay, Edward Morris, your cast mates from Eleni versa, gen-x are on the amazing race who from your seasons onto would you do the amazing race with got I would love to do with Rick, Rick Devon's, I think there would be incredible except that, like, we're both afraid of heights. And I'm also still completely terrified of flying. So, I feel like that would we'd be it'd be like the stupidest thing to do for me. But, but I think that'd be fun. I think we'd have a good time. And if you're listening recognized for mazing rents have you enjoyed watching Chris Brexit recording this on Wednesday night? So we haven't seen the new episode from this week on the amazing race, but enjoying watching your former gen-x tribe mates. Oh my God. I love it so much. And, you know, I think I hope people got a good sense of Christian Brett on survivor. But, like, I think people are seeing even more like the bromance at those to have their so Sterckele. They're so funny. I love those ridiculous like. Get upset they make them wear and like that. I think it was the first challenge they did with Brett at the top of the slide with the way the clue is right. There is like I don't see gonna come down. Just chris. Actually seeing Chris this weekend. I can't wait. He's going to he's going to be in town. But I, I hope I hope they win. I'm rooting for him. Okay. J Mackie wants to know any plans on sharing or selling your survivor puzzle books, no plans at all to sell them. But I mean honestly, like nobody needs to buy them off of me. Just like go and see Alexis and screen shut phone, your own puzzle, but also like what maniac would take the time to do that. Were they useful in any way, other than sort of being a place for you to direct your anxiety for the most part? It was mostly about Manning's -iety but, you know, there I will say now anybody listening hopes to play survivor, there really only puzzles you need to worry about or slide puzzles cube crisis. I think the tree pub cube crises. That's where they built. It's like a cute, but it's like in pieces and they usually they're oversized. They have to carry them, sometimes blindfolded and yeah. And there's several solutions. But I mean it's good to like kind of like a lot of some of the pieces, look the same. That's a good one. I think also it has never come back. But I know for a fact. I'm so sure it's going to come back in thirty eight. But the flame puzzle that Cochran solve to win final munity in melon for sure has got to come back at some point and because fire represents your life. And then also what else, oh the, the first puzzle from the first challenge of spy register? Is, is a repeat that'll come back as well as the ship's wheel puzzle. I wished on big time. Those, those are the main ones, I think people should just spend their time learning and memorizing. Would you recommend people should memorize puzzles? So, yeah, I do I think that like, especially when it gets to be the individual game. I think there's no downside, especially, again, my, what I did was a giant waste of time like hours and hours and hours and hours making these stupid books. But, but if you're just going to focus on, like five or six puzzles, then, yeah, why not okay mic Edward a what is the favorite thing on your DVD collection? We had a lot of fun talking about David rates. DVD shelf this season. DVD's for sale. What actually they're all gone. I just moved in with Leah and so. Yeah, the DVD's are no more you get rid of all, your jeez suggested. You can't spell David without DVD. It's right now. It's insane. I had like, well over five hundred DVD's it was like the saddest set of shelves ever. I think I was like all of them. Well, I took them to a record store. Amoeba. And I sold them all. And the guy got mad because you can't just bring all these here. I'm like, well, don't you? Well, he's by DVD's, and he's like, yeah, but not this many. So what was the lump sum? What did you get high ended up Warri hundred? No and walking away with, like I think close to, like four hundred dollars four hundred five or something like that. So, yeah, so no more each probably only took like what a fifteen hundred or two thousand dollar loss. I, I know right? Like I feel so ridiculous. And you know what? I had two copies of short circuit two. Yeah. Why does even why does he even need one number five is the line. Oh my God. I love that. You even know that movie. It makes a lot better. I love it. Maybe it wasn't a waste. I mean. Yeah. So if you only spent about fifteen dollars on each DVD, you're only down about seven grand collection ways guide. But you know what I think DVD's are going to make a comeback. Oh, you think hipster just like vinyl. Yeah. Because it's better. Yeah. Ten. Oh my God. I can't believe gen Xers or getting rid of their DVD's. What else? It's an evolution. It's good. It's a good thing. Get rid of your DVD's everybody to them. Okay. Let's see. How about this? Shannon gates says no question. But I have a request that you guys play the survivor game. Okay. All right. So David, I've, I've prepared some some props here with you. Okay. I have a wig, lers wombats hat. Am I going to win this? I don't know. Okay. Let's do it filled with a things that survivor, or this tribal council might be like, okay, we're gonna put your analogy skills to the test so nervous right now. I feel like I'm going to try all this crazy. All right. So if you will cleave the master, let's watch the master go to work here. Here we go. I'm pulling on a from the. And David Wright has pulled the piece of paper in my hand is that it. Was pulled won't put one back here. On here is David writers Matale tribal council this game survivor is this game of survivor is like it's like Star Trek. Which, by the way, do they all say Star Trek? Which God I don't know. I feel like people are just so tired of my analogies and let us. Oh, god. Yeah. It's kind of like playing survivor is sort of like the Kobe. She Meru test. It's a no Winston area. You can't win survivor? And I'm living proof because I've played it twice. I've never won. So the only way to win is not to play, which is a war games are I, I was gonna say the only way to, to win is like how Kirk beat the Kobe Meru in and I mean that's not unlike Chris Underwood had to figure out a way a back door in. That's kind of amazing that really is sort of what happened, isn't it? Yeah. So that almost works. I think. Okay. Now, you one farance quirk, nobody saying, say, no and saying that he figured out a hack to get back in. Yeah. Okay. All right here taking another one. Lucky with the Star Trek thing. All right. All right. One more. Here's the second one. Did you want to set it up again? I just go for it. What is it? What do what do you have fiber? Survivor. It's kind of like the Toy Story franchise how so well. You know, it's like, like, you know, Woody like he stays the same age. I don't know where I'm going with this. Remember that Andy got older? Oh, my guy survive survivors, like the Toy Story franchise. It's like in Toy Story three, you know, when they're like, headed to their death, and they somehow they cheat it, and that's what survivors about man. That was council when they incinerator. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Crap on now I I with that, when just like did the puzzle here, you want to redeem yourself. Who stopped the old ones in the hat. I keep doing that Star Trek again. I don't wanna play trivial pursuit with you. You're all the questions we asked in the front of the box. Okay. All right. One more one more now three right? Post. It's stuck together. God. Playing survivor is a lot like a barbershop. Unfortunately, I haven't been in a barbershop about twenty years. So I have no idea what that is, actually, like, okay, I got you, you play survivor more than you go to a barbershop. That's that's sad. It's your analogies were such a big part of the game. Or, you know, the pilots and the passengers and I think you really got the ball rolling with the resume talk. Well the fans. Doing sharks doing it for the but I think it had an effect on the season. We I mean to be honest, the analogies all you want to do is say something that's going to get Jeff off your back. Give him an answer that he can use because it is a TV show after all and that doesn't blow up your game. But, you know, maybe eliminates it in some way. So that's, that's all I was trying to do. Just keep Jeff away from me. Because I, I. It's like people think that I like light getting called on by Jeff. It actually panics me, like for me, tribal council is my least favourite part of the entire experience. It's all I can think of is what dumb thing. I'm I going to say now that's gonna completely blow up my game. And, and it all I was trying to do is just, you know, the Jeff Probst monster away. Yeah. There was one point I think it was on the vote wear. Chris went home where there's a moment where. Kelly says something and I don't know if you and then Jeff calls on you and like David. So you like what what did you mean by that? Or are you talking about that? You said that you were voting for the biggest social threaten the game. Yes. And then Kelly sort of like was like, oh. And then Jeff noticed that she said that and you're like I don't mean anything by that. Just don't, don't pay anything. I remember said on just talking, I'm just saying words, please, please, don't, don't listen to any of this. Yeah. I remember that. Jeff. It's like he's like he's the teacher. And I never wanted to get called on in class by the teacher. And that's when it's like it's like the worst version of that. It seemed like you, you enjoyed it though. Oh, I appreciate it. That's what I was like projecting. But no, I panicked. I would I it's very stressful. Can you talk about you infamously chucked about live tribal councils in your first season? You were part of the live is tribal council that there ever was on that vote, where Giulio went home can, can you talk about what that was like to experience that? Oh my your perspective. God, it was just bonkers. The biggest thing I remember when. Julie got up and then sat on my lap, which was it was such a little blip on the television. But there it was like she's sitting in my lap for a good length of time and I'm like, I'm like, oh my God. What is happening right now? And, and I remember hearing my name come up. Al Victoria was saying, I told him David. I like I heard that. And then it's funny like I've noticing this, especially this past season like things out there in the moment that felt really tense and scary. And like like I feel like my Drennan going and like, oh my God, I can't believe this person shouting at me. And then I look at it on TV. I'm like, oh, she actually wasn't really shouting at all. Innocuous enough comment whatever man. I'm just so messed up now bet Victoria, said that. And I'm like, no it's sound like a door. It was actually very clean. No. But yeah, it was so tense and the truth. I think everybody knows by now like Kelly was going to end up going home that night if was down what you thought was going to happen going into that Trump accounts, God. If I remember correctly, I, I did think Kelly was gonna go home. Of course, I'm always worried every time you go to your worried it's going to be you. But yeah, I did think Kelly was going to go home Kelly thought that you were going to. She did. Yeah. And and you know what would have happened like? Probably exactly what later did happen. You know, I went home and then Kelly went home immediate left immediately after if she had gone home. Then I probably would have gone home in me, immediately after because we were shields for each other. And just go go there. It's such a huge target on her back. But no regrets. Whatever it was. It was a fun time. But that tribal was just so chaotic and crazy. And Rick was really good at kind of like making tribal live like turn and finding those moments and those cracks. And that's a really hard thing to do. And like I said, I don't I don't enjoy that aspect tribe. I like to go in with a plan and stick to that plan. Because you knowing you don't wanna make it up on the spot. One of my favorite moments from the season was when Rick came back with the idol from the edge of extinction, and then he gave you he gave you half. And then the you guys are on the same page, even though you're voting the wrong way you guys vote against Kelly. I believe and then in the next vote. You were on board with the plan to go back with less. Sue Rick Devon's wanted to stick with the with the comma people and you guys talk by the well. And you're meeting players. Yes. I use you say I don't know if I'm drunk or your drunk. Yeah. And that's when he says to you. I think you're getting play love. I love that. I love I love that law of Georgian jaw, whatever he's I think your dream. Yeah, it makes awesome. And again, by the way, that's why I loved working with so much because we could as much so disagree, and you guys were not on the same page, you guys not. You guys did not vote together at that, at that tribal council, and he and he's like, like had like to get my idol back. Well, let's let's, let's still working. On the same page. You didn't say to him on, never. I'm keeping it. I'd like to hold onto it for a little while minds, which was good. It was a good bargaining chip. Yeah. Not that. I by the way, not that I think I even needed it again. We had such a good relationship. Yeah. I did not want to be on the wrong side of the vote. So sure that Eric was going to go home, and I thought that I could also possibly be by being on the right side, somehow get with the, the less three's, one of the things I had been wanting to ask you was about that we saw in the episode that the concern from the young people on, comma, is that, hey, Ron Arad are working on something that sort of like an escape hatch where they're gonna then pulling David and Devon's to then get rid of the other comma people and from what we saw on the show. I felt like that of David should jump away from less sue and go with the with the calm of people at that point. Did you did you get the sense at all that anybody on, comma was trying to maybe like us you as a plan b to take out the rest of? Comma. Yeah. I think that that would have been. I know we're not this isn't a results oriented podcast, but I try not to be. Yeah. I do think the right move would have been to not Eric because what that did to my game the biggest impact that it had on my game. Was it damaged? Whatever trust. I had with Ron and I did not do a very good job at reestablishing that trust. And I even talked to Ron about this at the finale, and he's like, yeah. No, you didn't. Even said that, that it happened this way, Ron pulled me aside, after that vote goes, a David, we need to talk. Terrible frustration. Because we need to talk. About what went on about reestablishing trust. I'm like, oh, this won't take long and that really upset him. In his mind say, what do you mean this won't take long? You've in his head. He's thinking I really damaged this trust and. In my hand, I totally trust. Ron, I'm completely committed to working with them. But what, what he told me I talked to him recently. And he said that when you when you guys after that vote where then Julia went home, because I where I, I was so blown away that you were the next person to go after that thought I really felt like that. Okay. Well, here we go less who's back on the same page. And there was this whole other thing where it was six was the less who three and then Gavin and Julie, and Ron was somehow thing, and where you had a conversation with Ron, and he had said that you told them that, hey, Ryan, really trust you, but he was waiting for like a plan to, to work together. And he was saying that, if there would have been some sort of a different plan than because he wasn't necessarily, he wasn't sold. But he didn't wanna work with less sue. Yeah. I, I, I understand that he trusted. Ricksen. So I thought that, you know, if Rick trusted me so much, I thought that meant I had Ron Stras. But yeah, as far as a plan. I remember going up to two Ron 'enrich. The three of his had a conversation. And this was actually for the tribal that I ended up going home at. But we recognize and secured at least we thought and you can you can ask her. Victoria's. For just for the vote that night, I don't think Victoria was going to work with us long. But for the vote that he said she wanted to work with, with, with you, and Rick. Yeah, exactly. And, and so I went to Ron and Ron's. Like, I think we should vote Victoria, I'm like vote Victoria, what he's talking about working with us. We have a majority right now. We should not vote out Victoria. Let's keep Victoria. She's working with us. And he he, he didn't do they didn't trust her. And so then. As far as like a plan, sort of, I think that's a mischaracterization because. We said Theron like can we revisit this before we go to trial their tribal? Geez. We go to tribal, and he, he said, yeah, yeah, we can. But I need to take a nap now. And so he went back to the shelter and he laid down and Ron, I love you. If you listen to your awesome, but he laid down in the shelter and Rick Nye went back and we noticed, then, by the way, always transparent, when something isn't going your way because people aren't wanting to talk to you people that were talking to you now, aren't even making eye contact and that was with Tori. So that right before tribe, I knew we didn't have look Tori anymore. And I knew that was probably going to be me which, that's why I I, I'm glad that I didn't get blindsided. Like I fully expected walking into trouble for it to be me, and it's crazy speech about the sinking ship, and everything. But. The Rick and I were sitting in front of the shelter, and while Ron was sleeping, and I remembered, turning to Rick and saying, look at the guy that we need to talk to most is asleep in the fetal position and the shelter and I think Ron was just running out the clock. So I like us not coming to him with a plan, like all we wanted to do was, like talked him and come up with a plan. And he, he was not engaging from the moment. We showed any resistance to not voting out Victoria, okay, by the but running, our great like, no, no harm. No foul showed addressing room with them at the finale. So he so funny. How was the finale it was? It was fun. It went by so fast. I. I'm glad that it's funny because the reunion is said that tribals my least favorite part of the game live or unity us. Why would by tribals because like everything much like this? Everything you say is just out there forever, and it's permanent. Whereas when you're playing a game survivor, you can watch an entire season fourteen hours or whatever. So you can just tell yourself that all of this mostly anyway, is going to end up in the trash. So it frees you to like just say whatever you want. But you can't do that in a live reunion. So, but yeah, it was it was fun. What you were nervous. Jeff was going to call on you. I mean, I knew he was like, I don't like live television at all. And I did not know Liz right here. I did not know that they were going to have a camera on. And, and of course, like I started like crying live television, and then guy cut away from me, and they cut the Lia in this is to this is really kind of funny Li was to was to rose in front in front of us when she wasn't in front of you. You mean. Yeah. Oh, I didn't realize that, okay. Yeah. Yeah, so, yeah, well, I don't know if you're able to hear this, but like Lee has a twin sisters CARA and like and like they'd gotten there. Late. So they weren't actually sitting in the seats, I guess they're supposed to be sitting in well, I mean I should really have just Leah. Tell this. Lia the camera guys Worsely. Where's lee? And then carries like, oh, it's not me go that way. And then she was on the aisle to rose, exactly I'll to you were like in the middle of the row earlier. Yeah. Yeah. And then, by the way, Lee did not want to be on television. And you didn't really enjoy that very much. Did you gotta lean in and it was hi guys? It was super nerve wracking embarrassing, because I did not plan to be on camera like did not make up ready. And also, just like I'm very embarrassed. My shy person. I would not want ban camera and the guy basically just comes up to our Rome, puts the cameras as he's like, which one of us Leah my sister's like that one, and then they go five four and then it was like, oh my God. So I had like no time. And I was looking at their on camera. And it was very interesting. Yeah. And, but it was finally and then they cut to Cochran. I'm like thank God and we're talking about other stuff. Yeah, I live reunions for all the surprises that they, they come with. Did you think that maybe you were going to get the seal award? No yet so funny. By the way, Cochran is very good friends with. And. Talking talking about this with them the other day. So see, started giving the award starting with Koran and then she didn't give an Legno gen-x but gave it to every every game after that. And then yeah, I mean obviously would have been great to get it. Rick deserves for sure. But yeah, it just so funny to me that. Like you would have gotten him versus. This is like the she not like me actually, I maybe Adam might of. If you end up winning maybe takes you out of the running for SIA. Why don't know how the rules work? I don't think you can win and get the CO maybe I don't know. I'm Rick Devon's won the game on finale night. Then see a would've given the money to somebody else think so. Yeah, the second place runner up. Yeah, I kind of I mean it's not really about that. But, but it's funny like I obviously, I know see, I know see Underwood really screwed to people on finale night. And then whoever would have won the c o. Big windy, the big windy. Of course, came up to me backstage, and I didn't know as her this very lovely nice doesn't just the wig. She didn't have the way suite blonde woman coming up to me and hugging me. I'm like, oh, this must be a production person that I don't remember something, and I wish I notice her just love survivor so much. She does. And she absolutely loves survivor. Yeah. Yeah. She actually came up and hugged Rick during the commercial break at the reunion and Mike. Oh my God. That's the blonde woman that hooked me backstage, did you get a sense of what, what is it about Rick Devon's that she does she love that he's funny that she loved it? He finds idol's like what if somebody is trying to win his heart in a future season? Do we have any idea what she's going for in the past? She wanted the person who's, who's helped animals. Donna, thin, because Donovan's backstory, it seems like she's so-so layered SIA. Yeah. I mean, I think she's her wig. Yeah, exactly. I mean, I think I think. With the Rick vote of it all, I think, like she just loved his underdog story. And just how hardy was playing while still maintains having fun with it, like being really positive even though he was completely on the bottom the whole time. And I think that she wanted to kind of reward that and he was just such great television. So. I know harm no harm. No foul Seattle. I certainly did not deserve the money this season Sheila. She's a patron. She's a big listener. Is that true? We're trying to get her. If you like survivor, you should check out what we're doing here. Yeah. Listen to the patron cast, I wouldn't be surprised if she actually listens. You never know. I'd be suppressed. Okay, so David Wright is they're going to be a third third act for the David Wright story. I lost arriver if you know, if I get that call, and I can say, yes, I'll absolutely say it's just so much fun. Would you have condition of? Hey, I'm only playing with other returning players. It's gotta be either all returnees or I can't I can't do this again. No, no condition at all. I mean, and you know, like I if you can say, yes, I don't think like you can get to picky, if you get asking, you can say something and get to picky about, like, what, what you're going to be up again. I think you just say, yes, if you can and, and because you can't really ask when they when they call you. They don't tell you a lot of answers. No. And even while you're playing, they don't tell you anything and I got it like they need like they wanna see your honest reaction to events as they unfold, because they're unfolding at the same time for the audience, so that yeah, you gotta be on the same page. But yeah, absolutely say he has no regrets. I love it. And again, when do you get like a one in twenty shot at a million dollars twice apparently, is when you get three up some people even three yes, some people so high. Hi. Yeah. Who knows what the what the future holds the only only you in Cochran on Star Trek lower deck's. That's right. Yes. So excited for people to see this show. It's again adult half hour comedy animated. It's going to come out sometime next year. And it's created by this guy. Mike McMahon, how a dulled are you allowed to say, I'm not actually allowed to say too much, but it's not a kid show. It's for adults and it's going to be really funny. And Mike McMahon created ease the Showrunner for Rick and Morty trip. People know what that is. And I am so excited for this thing to drop David, thank you so much for, for coming by. I'm I really appreciate that. You did this. I know you have a lot going on with work, but it means a lot to me that you not only wanted to talk, you know, you made the schlep all the way out here. Yeah. I'm going. That's actually on my I'm selling some more DVD's. So this is on the way I wanted to wanted to come out or. No, thank you for having me. It's always a pleasure seeing you again. You so helpful for me and my game. And it just it's a joy to be here. Yeah. Well. David, I really I always appreciate it that any anything I've ever I've ever asked. Hey, you wanna can you wanna do this? Do you wanna do this? You've never like yeah. Whatever whatever, whatever you need fill in for the know it all, and I greatly appreciate it. Anytime anytime. I'll be her whatever. You ask. Okay. Even have way too many millennials gen-x people here. I don't I don't I don't I still still had that many. Doesn't Tyler complain about that. That's a, that's a look, too many edge of extinction, people. Really? Yeah. Talk to can't win. He's talked to a lot. Well, I don't know that the fans want me to like people that they only want to hear from people from like the really old seasons, but they're not all sitting around waiting for me to call them. Some of them don't even watch the show anymore. Not easy. No. It's not gonna last show. Somebody in here every week. Talk to me. Okay. I'll listen to them. Look, I have to my mentioned on. Okay. By david. So just just working this summer this summer, you know, what I'm most excited about the summer what is big brother. Oh, I did not used to watch that show I make sense, and I and then I met Leah, and she got me into it. Like I love JC from era. Yes. Completely. No. It's entertain teller. I didn't I didn't appreciate before watch the big brother doesn't take it self too, seriously. And, and it just kind of big campy fun, although I will say having gone to like a charity convention, or two and being surrounded by big brother contestants like there, no demographic that you wanna hang out with. Oh, socially. But why crazy insane? Yeah. Drunk insane people. Yeah. And I like quiet and, and that's, that's their everything. I'm not. It's not your brand. That's not my brand loyalty, which you should never say three times on survivor in the same season. Yeah. That's what I learned from watching the edge of extinction. If you say the same thing more than twice then people get mad. Yeah. And I actually thought I thought, oh, I'll say this, this number of times, people aren't going to see every single time they'll see one of them. So you really into watching the big brother. Do you watch feats I what I once spent a day watching the life feet and I felt so dirty like I spent an entire day watching porn. I did. Okay. I could never do this again. But I love watching broadcast. Okay. Yeah. So all right. Maybe maybe one day you wanna talk about big brother. Yeah. Oh guy. I. I'm not I would not be good guest for that. But, but I'll be watching for sure. Okay. All right. David Wright is on social media. What your real David right? Yeah. Real date. Real, dave. Right. It's so confusing. Right. And there are many Dave rights who are Justice realism. Yeah. Because there's the baseball player, but there's also like a like a political reporter. Right. Yeah. There is a ABC news. I think there's also like a photographer, there's a lot of David rights. Yes, I'm one of many real, Dave right? Instagram twitter. It's all the same at real, Dave, right? Yes. Okay. All right. Well, I plug one more thing. I love my dog Li Li as dogma now consider my dog to lady Dutt Dunkin on Instagram, the most beautiful dog and I already follow Westbrook. John hennigan. It's Westbrook Hamilton. That's Ron's chat. Bronze Chow dogs. I Instagram so I have fall more dogs on Grammy you will not regret it like I was, so, what's, what's your dog on Instagram, lady dot Dunkin lady dot Dunkin, and what kind of dog stuff, do you guys have on Instagram? It's mostly just like cute. Adorable. Fluffy lady either eating treats, or wearing a buff, but she's like I used to be so afraid of dogs and like I didn't like dog, and then I met this lady Dunkin already follows me. I have to. Lady dot done this little dog wagged her tail into my heart and so I love her so much. It was a cute dog. She's so cute. Okay. All right. David. Thank you. Thank you again. I really appreciate it. I'm gonna talk to the next one of these were going to do. I'm going to talk to reams finally love ring police Taylor. Hi, she owes me a chess move. Okay. Go talk to Reema and catch up with her. Very excited about that one, of course. None of these interviews, a possible without the patrons, rob the podcast, if you want to hear more about everything going on and behind the scenes of podcast, become a part of rubs, pike patriot community head over to rob as webs ADT, com slash patron. We've got a lot more. Still to come here on our survivor postseason series. Take care, ready. Have good one by. This episode. Rob is podcast is sponsored by friends over at true car, sixty seconds. That's exactly how long this commercial last. You know what else you can do it about a minute, you can get an offer for your car with truecar. That's right. 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The Intiltrator

I Spy

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The Intiltrator

"This is spy show from foreign policy. Were spies boss said to me. We asked for rendova cleared and he said to me. Look your cover has been blown on the our information as you'd be dead by the more we need to get your to here tonight. I've ever had arranged so it happened. And that's why. I was taken either dairy in mrs thatcher's office oven brought over on her plane from foreign policy. Welcome back to. I spy on each episode. We get one former intelligence operative to tell the story of one operation. I'm margo martindale for decades. The irish republican army in northern ireland fought for independence from great britain during a period known as the troubles. Starting in the nineteen sixties. The group carried out scores of bombing and shooting attacks in response. British intelligence agencies thoroughly penetrated the ira and its political wing shin fain with agents one of those agents was willie carlin a soldier in the british army originally from derry in northern ireland. He was recruited by the british intelligence. Agency m i five and nineteen seventy four and spent eleven years undercover. Carlin grew particularly close to one key. Ira man martin mcguinness. Who would go on to become a political leader in northern ireland. Here's carlin story. I was in in the army for nine years over the years. I was made up promoted to lance corporal corporal. Then i think sergeant i was stationed in bombing then camp endorse with with my wife and my little girl call sharon and one morning i was making rebuttal and went upstairs and suddenly heard my way. Scream underwent nvidia Of it was shown was stone. Cold in the caught came brought. Her downstairs tried to resuscitate or but she knew she was dead so shortly after that my wife she wanted to go home back to the north of ireland dairy which was understandable. Because you know any areas guarantee wanna go home. Mommy know so. I decided that i would write to my sister and ask her look. Would it be okay. Would it be safe enough et cetera. Because the last sold of the winter dairy was shot dead. A young guy called ranger based on. It's not as very safely. Is not like belfast. Because everybody knows everybody in bury my sister like a lot of young. Dairy girls were involved. Troubles alavi garrels. What is the hang around with an ira volunteer. And if you've spent on a job usually take a gear was either pushed a prom or had long maxi dress on on when he fired the shot or the shots the revolver rifle would go in the prom. He would go one way on the mom with the baby would go the other way so my sister was a climbs the gun carrier and she will back and told me that it would be fine so i got a call one day from captain on went out and met him. I was very apprehensive but Attorney anyway in a place called bare reaches full enough right outside lawrence arabia's cottage which was very profound honor to do some self to me and he knew i was going back to the north of ireland to derry and he told me that he worked for an organization that wasn't military that i shouldn't call him sir on layer onto him saying the dairy was a hard place to have infiltrated on that. They had some people on the peripheral things. Both they were looking for someone to go back to derry. Unjust get involved in the community not to join any terrorist organization. Don't get involved in the republican army skin. Volt in community work get noticed and we'll see what we get to a weren't made dot is dangerous work but he said at the same time your sisters were to. You is manna from heaven for us for your sister. Say you'd be safe enough. That's good authority. I was intrigued and my wife was delighted. I mean she thought that you know. We were going home. Because i wanted to go home. I didn't really wanna go there. I mean they told me at the time someone would always be watching. He was turned out to be true for the thought of something. Different something exciting. And the fact that in a would would be home amongst friends so people have said to me. Where the hell did you do it. That's the only reason you know. That's where it all started when i rented dairy at first adversary strange because i went to see my handler. I'd say dairy person would come from london. They would fly them an higher. Hr and belfast and conduct. Jerry on i would see them in a in a picnic area a picnic spot report rush on. We were sitting of a coffee and a chat for a long time after two or three of them began to think of willie onto those. I mean i'm not telling them anything. I don't know anything. They don't seem to ask me anything you know. Just go on. I remember once the third person that i met when i said at binti attendants association meeting and area lived on. I was elected onto the committee on. I was nominated to be the secretary. It's no big deal. It was a heisman repairs and and different things and writing letters to the local newspaper about residents complaints They were very excited that i had managed to get this. Which was i thought. She's not all. This is all a part this is it can work when the tenants associates with hold a public meeting obviously all the residents would calm and within those residents there were men and women who republicans as opposed to just nice phyllis and they their needs to come to me and say well he listen. My mother got this letter is negative. Can you see about that. So i was no your guy takim to albeit and my own little area on of course that got me in the tenants association. They said to me look. Would you join champion. So i did. I am i five. Were delighted the more. I got involved with envy people in my area. Ira volunteers used to call me and tell me things. Because as far as they were concerned i was signed. You can tell slowly you know if you say you only get a sort of inuit. Volunteers no water. Say who weren't hafi. Certain things. And i was asked to bring on champagne maiden so i'm associated with ira. Volunteers all through champion. Chen was a political wing on the was military wing. But the higher up you go and chen fan. Mostly ira after that. Martin mcguinness was a chief of staff mayor in dairy at the time and i became very confident around martin. He grew up in the bogside. Dairy a went for a job and a company and fleiss for it and they rejected him because he was a catholic. Never give him a job eventually. Got a job as a butcher on giovanna and dairy the lover meet for doherty's butchers a seen some terrible things he said Thoughts what's burden on dejoy naree. He ended up being if the most sought after paerson dairy to speak to on the often said to me. I have no idea what her that happened and then began to realize that you know it was people getting killed around him and like you said to me. You know advocate and try and organize propeller was organized. Not saudi organized. Sales sales became the thank you know. And he was the person behind a lot of he told me. Like when i travel with martin and we were talking about things or by policy or gen feign or for example way diary never put a bomb scotland and the reasons for it and has reasons for it. Gould steidl no lot. I again am. I five were delighted. A lot of this information just went to northern office very very few ever went across the london and very very very fearful ever end the rope on the prime minister's three a secretary or a louis both my information became wanted sought after anything at all anything. Because i spent a lot of time we martin and mitchell a lot of people talk about gerry. Adams only seen him three times in their life and that was a funerals so martin came over to see me one day and we were going to. A funeral was nyree volunteer. Who'd been shot. Sure skirmish with the buddies army soviet gone away over the border and the tony goal to letterkenny hospital i mean. Ira said at the time that they had engaged. The british army foot patrol hotshot one soldier on their man went back to be safely. Obviously not true because he died over. The border was named one when you have to go tell some woman that are psalms. Been out there then. She collapses under your arms. You feel terrible. And then you have the funeral an assist the bile raises in your stomach and teases you know i i should be on the ira but then you have to focus and say now. Wait a minute. You're doing the job here. You know a lot about what you're doing put. The instructions are did not join. Ira on your involved in champion. Which is where they wanted to go in the first place and fact you actually shape and some of the policies unitedly speaking. They are dish and they'll annual conference. That's exactly where we want you. So i focus on that a lot but i mean there were times. It was so i was so angry. I got a phone call. Will night ryan abide by night from mitchell. Mcglaughlin and martin was zero. Says no but i'm a very good emailed says lesson. Can you come over to the house. Looked and cable street in the box. I says i sure i'm judy. Meteo on the mona a says. Now can you come over night. I said jesus much less a half twelve says no it's important so I felt he's if you're going to go with this as a way you're gonna go. Is this okay. And he says lesson. Don't bring your car because you're us well known by there you see. I don't wanna part in my house. That was number two clue. So here i am. I mean to submit to male as a cruel place from where i loved to muscles us. Some walking dine fighting whole over craigavon bridge which is could go over the foil up. Three abercorn wrote an closer. I'm gettin i can hear my heart. Golden and no. I don't know if anybody knows. Sometimes you can feel your heartbeat in your ear. And i kept thinking you know you're gonna day here. This is j cole by. Call me. Get copa coleman phones because martin mcguinness is over here with money. that's quarter. They one in the morning. Don't bring your car. So remember a goddess far as the bulk site on which is about two hundred yards from mitchell's house and let us step in rain behind the box. I don off. And i could feel a need to go to the toilet so enter toilet. I can bike ride. Funnest walked about twenty yards. Torn ryan came back again in the box could hardly breathe of your day. I knew i was gonna day no doubt about it. You tortured me. I told you. I know i'm going to die. So i took a deep breath walked up towards cable straight to people standing by immured on the wall mural gave a war. Two youngest island Smoking and i thought jesus so. I cross tours as high as a goal and i went over knocked on matzos doors. Do breath martin simone There was a guy sitting on the sofa. Martin set him. Look at sorry paul. I'll get back to your not. He obviously. I don't know he was there what i looked like. I don't know but the minutes and on turned out that muscle wasn't going to be available for the next morning. He was going to bail. I and that was the reason they wanted to get this leaflet. In these documents to me. I just want to touch base with me because he was gone with much ill as well and that was it. I didn't i. But i'll tell you on the way back. I thought the two guys are gone from the war. They're going to get you on the way back to could've told me not tomorrow. They didn't need to bring me all over here. Taking me to eight four leaflets. at nonsense. this. You're going to die. So all the way back till i got home and fell of david down. I knew wasn't gonna die. You're listening to is by a production of foreign policy. We'll be right back. Hi this is amy mackinnon of ice by. I want to tell you about another podcast that i think. You'll like cautionary tales host. Tim harford returns with a new series drawing on history and social science to vividly retail the stories of great crimes accidents and disasters of the past pointing out valuable lessons for us all from the dithering death and destruction. you'll ride with the light brigade. Is they charge headlong to certain death fly in a doomed airliner hijacked by idiots watched the trial of the art forger who fools the nazis and shudder at the deeds of a kindly doctor who was in fact killing his patients. Subscribe to cautionary tales in apple podcasts. Or wherever you listen from pushkin industries. Hey there by fans. I'm jack dench. I cover the pentagon here at foreign policy which means i'm constantly trying to find out new things about what our military is doing at home and abroad who we support and why each morning we gather for daily news meeting to figure out how to cover the big stories around the world with news analysis and opinion pieces but to do that. Well we need your help. Please consider subscribing to fps. You'll get access. Not just to the podcast. We make but the stories we right and you'll be supporting the kind of journalism. That's hard to find these days for listener. Discount go to foreign policy dot com slash. Subscribe and enter podcast at checkout. Margot will be proud of you. Welcome back to. I spy we return to willie carlin in my man in northern ireland. You realized very quickly that you know you could get killed in soaps chip. Don't be cavalier. If you think that something you can't do don't do it after a meeting next thursday at two o'clock and you've got to be somewhere else at two o'clock and don't go to the meeting. My handler can wit. Whereas in the early days i would meet your went to the meeting lesson. Nobody came to mean said. Look here's a box of tools. These things you need to do in these are things that no no not. Nobody gave me a phone and said this bogged and not. I remember once saying to One of my mfa people you see. Those are not possible if you put a radio on here or something like that on the tv where it's in the radio on a site record said. Look you know when you're traveling martin. Mcguinness there are times you pull anti pcp a vehicle checkpoint and they take the car apart which the day quite often and if they find out. That's a record individual show. 'cause martin will be told you so you couldn't dinner up but my own protection. If i was asked also somewhere had been before to meet people mid somaly i would always agree a time. I would get there but an early and parco. Maybe a quarter mile away. An anxious walk to wearables to go to. Don't enter the building to school long. Stand of seats of a coffee. What's the door how cigarettes things like train render around three times. See if anybody's falling look an shop windows when rightfully looking across the street in the sunlight different things like that just to be safe song along the lane. Am i five. It became clear. There's only one way to bring this thing to end announced by reach an agreement in the dogs in the street. The civil servants need the man in grey. Suits me night how we start. How do we. I mean the trouble again worse. No people who sat with this rubik's cube who could see the only way to solve this is by agreement. We're going to beat them then are going to be those so high. Can we do it so there. Were always looking for ways of oakland door. That's that's currently locked. On one of the ways they worker it was if terry adams and martin mcguinness where political representatives. The body politic. Would've despicable you know. We have a situation where an piece could invite them to london us politicians and they wouldn't be castigated for them. So there judy bond to see these political representatives. Gerry adams martin mcguinness. My everybody knew ira but that's not the point. As far as the civil service was concerned you know about late. Yes minister yes minister. I hear what you're saying about the goldens. But he does where different hot when he comes in this room. So i mean at the end of the day. If you have gerry adams and danny morrison and martin mcguinness you know martin ferris and people got any room in london on jassem over coffee something and you get an answer at school dusk. A government wouldn't talk to terrorists. We don't speak to terrorists we don't deal with terrorists. We don't negotiate with her. So one of my tasks was to get him elected the people i was dealing with a needy who were a mixture of military on there my five thunder monarchy's and they said to me. Look if you can get yourself under position forbidden charge vote nursultan to do and see if you can get the point where you can personate or have a team of people to steal votes or personate. Votes So they can get martin mcguinness elected and they said to me at vital to get him is vital that he gets elected. Because we're civilians. Were not politicians. An donen street westminster martin. Mcguinness is a devil incarnate. No one is going to deliver. How ever get him elected then his right to be so i got him elected to north main december. We stole for to a personal votes. We manufactured votes. I'm we got him elected. Nevada mandate that martin would nice del. Martin would not receive correspondence from star. Might as an assembly member am. I remember hummed. Meet at all 'cause martin wanting to avert doesn't care It also meant that martin could go to meetings as an elected representative in stealing votes impersonating and getting them elected. Put him on that road. All the way to stormont. I mean i have a poster at home folded ops o'meara's it gives whereas photograph of martin on it in green white and gold on the right and martensson the left hand side on the right and says we will never achieve unitarian through the halls of stormont. That's exactly very little. So i mean martin yesterday me c. d. Got me onto well one day. I've got a phone call. From my handlers. That they wanted to see me. I said i'll see you tomorrow is a ni- took me straight on the average and barracks boss said to me. Look your covers. Been blown on our information as you'll be dead by the more we need to get your to here tonight i've ever experienced. You can tell your wife if your wife doesn't wanna come what he dan. That's not our problem although you could tell her that so suffer the consequences of your betrayal so see if you can get any more. So i went back. Home told me wife. She sat roman. I said look. Can we sort this look. Let's can we just wake the winds up. Ny just take a suitcase with their close to basics not forever to get away for the weekend and of this all blows over. Winkelmann can nobody'll think we've been dealing he gone for the weekend. So that's why i got rid of those under the care. She always believed. I was doing so often on politics. Some degree politics next thing. I knew open hollywood barracks. Just j. belfast. And we stayed there for two or three nights an an. I got word that we believe in the thirsty got. All this jet couldn't believe it. We plan twenty seats on a more skin evolved as it turned was missing statues jet. We don't know that. Douglas hurd had been used. He was second or third for north ninety. Had flown over on it and it was deflated back that night. And somebody from the cabinet office for the detail that the jet had been secured by mrs thatcher. So me and the family were flew. Night of belfast. A mrs thatcher's jet. My wife was in tears. My daughter was only five years of age six. She thought it was exciting. My son michael. He was nine or ten and he went to toilet bag each. Just get open flushes itself. All this stove we landed. Raf north hold an and these cars turned up and one of the people in charge. The operation turned out to be one of my handlers from a year before so he'd been brought over from the north because you know somebody's renault's as we try and do it and we end up in a big push hose and brayden. Can you believe that took me. Brayton teases the bomb up and in fact walk along pizza next any. Show me the hotel. I thought is gonna brought me somewhere else. I would be very reluctant today to go. Derian kenneth sondra voters amount is. I wouldn't do that. My daughter maria was killed in a road. Traffic accident and donegal. I got a phone call cheese. I got to go to a funeral. Got charles stanstead knows. Wait for flight to be called needs. People's are beside me clearly from home office or am i didn't really say whether we're from the milk can't stop getting on plan. If you go to that funeral we know for a fact that are all the people going to deceive you throw it up and if you go to that funeral it'll become joke and you'll become the event and not a hero put. So how'd you sit there for took a deep breath and just the flight was called called my name and i just sat. There went home. So i couldn't go tariff funeral. The following year in the spring i saw mark died of sepsis whole goal. We hospital the same people contact mansard. We know heart says look. There's only one florist and not even his players will get your credit card. I talked to so. I wasn't able to go marks in a letter. There's been people friends of mine. You know of date and spoken to their waves on the phone during the week or their husbands just so sad and people say to me not only. We know you would come if you could then. Sometimes i think maybe i should put Then you have to park latin say no t russky put of all the things that happened to me and i've cried many times many many times. I will do it all again tomorrow. What's because i know her ends. So there willie carlin spied for british intelligence for eleven years. He describes the experience in the book. Thatcher's spy my life as an m. i. Five agent inside shin fain. I spy is a production of foreign policy. Our executive editor for news podcasts. His dan ephron our ice by team includes rob sachs and amy mackinnon. If you like the show please subscribe on your favourite platform and leave a review. If you have tips or suggestions please write to us. I spy at foreign policy dot com. I spy is made possible through the support of foreign policy. 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Episode #051  THE Game.

Menace 2 Society Podcast

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Episode #051 THE Game.

"It is Friday November twenty ninth and welcome to menace to sports the rivalry edition the Special Michigan Zhigang Ohio state. The game addition really excited for this show. I think this is the best analysis I've had all year into a game into two teams and I'm really excited to talk a little bit about sports media. journ calm I can't call him. Analysts like lack of analysts ineffective analysts. We're GONNA talk about the dumb ass of the week coming up in this show also going to really dive in breakdown. Ohio state on Offense Defense Michigan the match up how I see what I see that needs to happen for them to win this football game and in what is really in my opinion. They're the only test they have left. I don't think they'll have a test and the big ten championship. So if they want that ONC- they want to be in the college. Football reality is. I think they'll be in the playoffs. They lose this game and win the big ten but that one seat is so critical. So it's going to be really really awesome to watch this weekend. I think Alabama's upset. We'll talk about that later in the show and I also want to talk about just rivalries in college football across the country that ones that I've been a part of that I've seen in and other ones that I haven't seen that are relevant and possibly even the ones that are playing this weekend like the iron bowl but really excited about the show as always as I mentioned if you're interested in joining the movement if you're interested in feedback or anything or advertising sponsorships reach out to me Zach at menace to sport or menace to society podcast dot com and and then also wanted announce that we're playing with video content. We're putting out some little teaser. Some some kind of rough attempts because we're really trying to get it all set up and I think it's going to be done after this weekend. Had to had to make this the priority for sure and then after this this weekend we're going to be launching video content restructuring the entire Patriot subscription services. Really the whole a platform and then launching a new website written content. So much going on and it's really thanks to you so I appreciate all of you. Hope you had a great Thanksgiving if you celebrated and even if not I hope you enjoyed time with friends and family and it's rivalry week man. Let's let's get to the show. Ken Swing Screen. Look out now. How can angle down the side on about this baby is over this task? It Smith Away from talk Menace to society. I welcome to episode fifty one in huge episode for menaces sports as we really analyze rivalry. Week we're GONNA talk about some of the rivalries in college football tours end of the show talking about Alabama Auburn which is upset alert down in. SEC country will bow knicks. Be Able to defeat. The two Willis Alabama Crimson tide. And Give Nick Sabin another loss in the rivalry game but before we get to that. We're also obviously going to break down. The biggest game of the year or the biggest game for for the Midwest will say the game. The rivalry Ohio State Michigan GonNa hear Urban S- thoughts from the Fox big noon kickoff and also going to play a little audio from what they are hearing in the Woody Hayes Athletic Center in Ohio State country but first we have to decide. who was the dumb ask announcer of the week? I have two submissions. Might be a co dumb ass week because they are equally as dumb but first considering the rivalry considering the takes that this former heisman trophy winner has i WanNa play the audio from the Desmond. Howard I don't know anything but and I WANNA heisman his time on get up on? Espn let's listen to what Desmond had to say. Who has a better Michigan or Ohio? Taylor team better this year than they were a year ago. Wow you know I think listen on the paper. But when they had some resistance against Penn state they didn't look like the dominant dominant team that we saw blowing every by forty one points they only beat them by eleven so when they got a little bit even Justin feels like bubble waist daycare Dobbins. I'm just saying I played a good team three times and won. You know what I think. I've made my point. How ridiculous is that? This man said first of all we already talked about the Penn State game game but I'm GonNa reiterate for Desmond if he's not listening for this to tag him on it. They beat a team by double digits. It was a top ten team and after turning the ball over three times they also beat Wisconsin pretty handily. You should look how your wolverines did against that team. This is embarrassing that this guy gets paid money and I get it name recognition He he won a heisman. That's that's his credibility. I don't know why that is relevant but before we get to our second take for Oh also oh is a high state of better team. This year he said. I don't think so what they have the best defense in college football this year last year their defense was Putrid Hor horrific. Are they better this year. I mean the dumbest human being in the world has never watched football. If they watched one game from us. Your one game this year. They was like. Oh Oh my gosh. That is much improvement on that football team. But it just before we get to our second contestant in the dumb ass of the Week Award let me remind you as listeners as viewers people that turn on the TV you empower these people if you want to listen to Gary Danielson or Desmond Howard or Booger McFarland or ESPN Game Day. If you turn it on you give them ratings which reinforces these jackasses in the media to continue tend to be in the media. I can't do it I can't turn on. ESPN fortunately that's why this segment is kind of went away. Because I can't watch it so I'd sometimes don't know oh how dumb these people are. Fortunately are followers. Our listeners are subscribers. Send me the tweets and audio and then I get to hear it but I won't do it I I won't give them my viewership my rating and I certainly won't be watching Desmond Howard tell me anything about college football. Because he doesn't know anything. It's like some some of these people. USPA inputs on the second. The second contestant Heather dench man. She's been on this show more than than most people heather tweeted. Why wait until that game to put them number one after the pen obviously talking about Ohio state jump and Lsu after beating Penn State? She said they had been crushing teams all season with with and without chase young so they fumbled three times win by eleven smallest margin of victory all season. What changed what is it as simple as another ranked opponent so she wants to talk about fumbled three times? It made me think okay. What does she referencing here? Oh it'll have state turns the ball over a lot that's why they're not better than Lsu. They won by eleven and a top ten matchup. They didn't allow six hundred yards to old miss. They have dominant defense. But so I wanted to look at it obviously sleep. That's her point right Ohio state. Turn the ball over more than Lsu. Why would you have them jump them? Now we'll have stay knows you both twelve turnovers so I'd say equally is sloppy with the ball actually decent nationally. But maybe Justin feels and Joe Borough. Maybe they're just fields is just completely lackluster. Bluster and irresponsible with the ball and Joe Boroughs phenomenal just feels eleven. Turnovers Joe Burrow ten. That's it so that is the the huge differential that is what made heather finish wonder why her employer's stock is going to go down one point as Fox big noon kickoff. Kicks Her ass kicks Desmond Howard's ass kicks curb streets us. Isn't it funny so I would challenge. You don't turn it on don't turn on. ESPN I mean you can turn on the Games. I I you have to watch the game if it's on. ESPN I have to. But I certainly won't listen to people as analysis show or pregame show. I won't do it so I challenge you to the same all right. Let's get to the game. Ohio State Michigan the rivalry. But before we we get to it. I want to start off. I WanNa hear Urban Meyer's words after I play for you the audio to get you in the mood for the game the audio to get you ready for the game the Audio uh-huh that these players and coaches in the Woody Hayes Athletic Center at Ohio State have been listening to at Nauseam all week to the point where you can't script practice you can't even I think because it's playing so loud but it does do this. It makes you hate that team and want to beat them even more so a little. Ll Cool J.. It's time for war coming at you right now. It's morning I can't be back I'm always Quite a win among different but how he liked her up in the ten year war in for everybody out there. The tenure award it was is this. You had woody Hayes. The legendary coach and his former Assistant Boesch Becker took over. I believe it was sixty nine. And then they beat the Buckeyes when they were number one and it was away it was not a big game. That's what we have to get. We got to clear the deck here. It wasn't a big game or big week. This is a way of life. I remember going up in that time that you go to school and I guess maybe I drank the Kool aid more than most but brady remember the state of Ohio. I mean that's all that people talked about. People say could lose every game but you have to win that one I actually she believed that. I think bazaars that is you have to. It's a very unique robbery. The respect is immense however this is the world this is not a big game. It's not a big week and that's a question I have Charles is that I remember that tenure or now and I remember just the way the approaches in Columbus and really the state of Ohio. This this is every day of the year. For example you go into recruiting board at Ohio State. No one else matters you know every player. That's being recruited by the team up north. You know everything. I study either workouts. I studied what camps are going to and every how about this every year during the season I would have one coach constantly watching film and everyone's today I'd go in there and check and see what they're doing offensively and defensively so once again this we have to once again cleared. That gets not a big game. It's not a big week. It's a way of life there. It is the words from the legendary Buckeye coach Urban Meyer. It is a way of life and the reality is the Buckeyes had been working on this game all year. It is time to find out if Ohio state can overcome their rival overcome this hostile environment the elements of the the weather and become a big ten champion in a week and become the number one seed in the College Football playoff. 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I know everyone knows that but in this game it's going to kill him. Unlike Penn state they were able to overcome it. I don't see this as that game especially on the road especially in the rivalry. I don't see this as a another game where they turn it over three times. They'll overcome it. The scariest thing right now is as good as justin fields has been throwing the football and protecting the ball when he throws it with one interception on the year here. He's fumbled the ball ten times now and that. That can't happen overall taking the backup quarterbacks out of it because honestly if they play Ohio state is screwed regardless of what happens. States fumbled the ball. Eighteen Times on the year. Michigan actually has been more careless with the football coughing up. Sixteen sometimes but Michigan has been more careless with the football with their their starters in the game. I mean. They've caught up sixteen times to less than Ohio state but shape. Patterson has been the one that has been the most careless and the most concerning not only. Is He fumbled at ten times. Also just like justin fields but he's thrown five interceptions and putting them in the bottom half half of the country as a passer states also seventh in the country at creating turnovers. They've created twenty-three turnovers on the year. And that's going to be a huge point of contention edged in this game. Michigan has been sixty six in the country. Giving it up. They'll be the difference in the game. Who wins the turnover battle? You say that a lot but I think in this game with what we're going to get to analysis allison wise. That is the difference. Thirty six degrees possible rain. The worst possible elements cold and rainy. There's nothing worse rather it. Be Snowing or warm and rainy you you can't. You can't contend with cold and rainy but looking at Ohio state on offense obviously we just said can't turn the ball over I. He has been phenomenal. Just it feels phenomenal throwing the ball. He's been careless holding the ball so I'm sure that was a point of emphasis this week in the Woody Hayes Athletic Center outside of turning the ball over the real question for me for Ohio. State is how can Ohio State Specifically Brandon Bowen. The right tackle in therapy for the left tackle cow. Well can they protect Justin feels when they throw it. And how much will they throw it. The reality is when you're left. Tackle supposedly your best athlete Best Lineman Best Pass. Protector is the lowest graded lyman on your team. Impasse pro and forty I in the big ten. You have a weakness and it's been identified after whatever eleven gains. The other concerning part is Michigan has four defensive ends with twenty one sacks this year in total. Now no one has a chase you know one in the country but Michigan four players in the top seventeen in the big ten at sacking taking the quarterback. They have eight players who would be second to only chase young on Ohio state with sixteen or more. QB Hurries Ohio. States pass has been a major liability to the point that they cannot completely let Justin feels. Loosen the throw game. That's what we've watched as was evident last week when they rushed the ball. Sixty one times against a good pass pass rush coming from the nittany. Lions and Penn State. They have allowed eighty-six pressures this year. And that's the only stat or analytic. That is not top twenty in America. When you're looking at Ohio upstate's offense getting the the main player in this game and really any game obviously? He's the quarterback justin fields. Well first of all Michigan fans let me tell you this. I'm I'm sorry to break the news. I'm sorry that you're conspiracies are not going to play out. But he's GonNa play in this game. He's not on the injury report he was gonNA play anyways. I mean in this game. You can't can't roll without your your feel general now. I think the key this game is going to be throwing the ball down the field and just it feels as being decent added him and share about at the same. He's twenty three or fifty three over twenty yards with now the key Status Fifteen touchdowns on twenty four twenty five completions and zero interceptions zero zero fifteen to zero over twenty yards. That's phenomenal. We need to see more of it. They have to test this secondary down the field now. Michigan's defense is one of the best in the country and will be the best. Ohio state is face to date there great. It is the fifth best defense in America on pro football focus. And this'll be a major test in a hostile environment for Justin fields. In the Buckeyes they average single. Digit missed tackles on the year which everyone knows. It's been my big stat. They actually only have one more miss tackle than Ohio state who is leading in the country and leading the conference. Obviously in Miss Tackles now what I think. People don't realize we talked about it briefly. Brian Day has an unspoken respect and rivalry for Michigan. Defense Coordinator Don Brown. Don't take that lightly. That is a major key to the game especially after he capitalized on that rivalry and on on his insights into Don Brown last year for five hundred sixty seven yards eight touchdowns at sixty two total points so Ryan Day was Offense Coordinator Boston College when Don Brown was the defensive coordinator and they had a a mutual respect and rivalry. And I think there's a little bitterness in Ryan Day when Boston College had a top five defense in the country. Boston in college on offense didn't have the skill and personnel. That Ohio state has so there was kind of a mismatch I would imagine he got his ass kicked in and practice quite regularly and that created a bad taste in his mouth and he likes to let you know about it last as more than likely going to ride the nation's fourth best rushing attack and grind out a poor weather game. That's probably what will it happened. The difficult part will be lining up against a top ten rushing defense. That limits big runs better than anyone else. Ohio state has played the reality reality. The game is when Ohio state has the ball. Can they extend drives the number one third down offense in the country against the eleventh best defense in the same scenario areo means one thing first and second down efficiency is critical. Not that it ever isn't but more importantly when you're facing such a good defense getting adding to third and six or less is going to be a critical part of this game. And if they do that the one thing Michigan has been extremely poor at is red zone defense they the need to keep drives alive get to third medium or short drive down the field and get in the red zone. Michigan is ninety second in the country at preventing touchdowns wants teams entered the red zone. So how has to get in the money's zone. They have to get down there and how they will do that. We'll be special teams field position and then first and second down efficiency agency to get to third downs that they can convert and face. It just feels is going to run a little bit in this game. He has to. You cannot not do that with him. Now we'll tell you this just feels ridiculous when there's no pressure probably one of the best in the country and although he has a decline in production when he's under pressure as any quarterback would he is actually pretty dynamic Hamic when he's been pressured also the I think the most reliable member of zone six has to show up in K. J. Hill. He's second in the big ten in in Ca- catching nine eighty two percent of his targets. So he is Mr reliable and he's the one they have to turn to in a game like this in an atmosphere like this the one something we haven't seen out of the offensive skill for the Buckeyes is dynamic open-field running the most dynamic starter with the ball and has been jk Dobbins as we've watched all year he forces and Miss Tackle on every twenty-three touches not exceptional but he's the most effective with the ball in his hands so the next question. I have for Ohio. State is going to be how they can get Chris. Oh Lavi in a shot play situation. He has eight of seventeen over twenty yards but the thing to watch. We'll see how they can get him to field as right side so as a receiver receiver a right handed receiver specifically and you're running down the field to the right to just fields right. Your dominant catching is your right hand. Because that's the hand that stops the Football Caja. Chris Alavi has been phenomenal when his right hand stopping the football when his left hand is stopping the football on Justin feels left side. He has not made a deep catch yet. He's zero percent. He's fifty seven percent effective with his right hand his dominant catch in. So I want to see how they can get Chris. Alavi two fields right and take a shot downfield the most reliable shot receiver downfield. Receiver has been K.. J. Hill though. He's only had nine targets on a little over half of Alavi targets. He's sixty seven percent. Downfield ben Victor forty-two percent off in Mac forty percent and then Garrett Wilson thirty three percent downfield so they have a slew of guys that can do it. It's a matter of if they can hold up in press arrest pass Bro and if they can execute that in this magnitude of game now I will say Michigan has a stood at corner they really have a duo of corners that are the best still have states scene but the Avert Hill Detroit King. High School is the most effective cover corner in the big ten this year. He's allowed to catch on every twenty three snaps in coverage that's outstanding. And he and Vincent Gray. The duo are by far the best island defenders. The buckeyes have faced to date. Vincent is fifth in the the big ten. He allows a catch on every twenty-one snaps so how can zone six attack the best corners. They faced my opinion. Michigan's game plan has to be very very simple. They need to load. The box. Outnumber Ohio State move the defensive line regularly with either pressures or run stunts on first and second down to to attack an average fundamental align. If we're being honest make Ohio state throw it down the field to beat you because number one. They haven't had to do that all year. And thirty seventh most explosive pass offense in the country and number two they will have to hold up in pass. Pro Longer and Michigan can try to get after Justin fields that has has to be the game plan when we analyze this game. It's going to be critical to see how the offensive line can move the line of scrimmage if you if you really watch the games and look at the analytics and study study. The film the right side of the offense align has been the best side and pass Bropher Ohio state but the worst in in the run game. Jk Dobbins averages almost two more yards per carry. Sorry at seven point seven yards per carry behind the left side of Greg stood Roy was offense align getting jk in the open field with their outside zone schemes and perimeter perimeter run game will be critical. Michael when he does. He can be an impact player. He averages three yards per carry on outside runs to the right and six yards and over six yards to the left. That's almost doubled. Production to the left side now. The interior runs his where it's even more evident. He averages eight point six yards per carry between the tackles to the left. He needs to the ride. That left side Jonah Jackson Mumford. And if they're going to attack them right up the middle and they have to win this game. This is going to be a toughness game so I really look for Ohio state to do that. And I look for Michigan to try to load the box and force justin fields to throw it downfield. They'll sit on routes they'll sit on intermediate routes short routes the watch out for the crossers. They'll have been worked on passing seeing those off all week really probably all year after how last year went. And then it's going to be about ten and Brandon Bowen. Hold up past pro when when it comes time to launch the ball down the field and how do they get K J hill on one on one. How do they get? It's going to be about that third corner. How can they avoid trying to attack two of the best five five in the conference and get a slot like a cage? Hiller Alavi in the slot and take a shot down on their third best cover player. It's going to be critical and then turnovers always turnovers. So That's how I see game going for offense on the offensive side of the ball for Ohio state and we're going to take a break right now and be back in a minute and talk about the other side of the ball in in. What is the biggest game of the year and obviously the greatest rivalry in all sports right back after this support for mets to sports comes from manscaping who is the best? Best in men's below the belt grooming manscaping offers precision engineered tools for your family jewels. I have to ask. Have you ever groomed your pride and joy. I I will tell you this after our tailgate this past weekend I had countless numbers of our listeners. Subscribers that flat told me they were like man that that manscaping stuff everything that you talked about. I ordered it and it was a difference maker. 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Offensively for Michigan. They you have a fifty five spot disadvantage in the menace analytics when they have the football and that is extremely concerning now shape. Patterson has to play. Well we all know that and what he has done well with his slew of receivers as throw the ball down the field. He's about the same field. Twenty one to forty five sixteen and two picks not as not as pawtucket lucked productive in scoring points on deep balls but in hitting them gaining junkyards. The question is how can Ohio state unsettling disrupt j unlike Justin feels when Shay Patterson is pressured he drops from sixty four percent completion to thirty eight percent completion. So how's things going to get after. Obviously that's the game plan with a guy like chase young. You would imagine when that would happen but the real question is how is Greg Maddison GonNa get chase young matched up on Jalen Mayfield. Michigan's right tackle. He's allowed twenty quarterback pressures pressure this year double his counterpart left tackle. Jon Runyan he is the greatest liability in pass protection in passing situations for Michigan. So how can Ohio state either get chase. This young matched up on him or with all the attention on chase. Young Kennedy Tyreek Smith Take Advantage of that Achilles heel of his Michigan. Offense offense the old line at Michigan has been horrific at times in Ed warners. Group have allowed forty nine qb pressures this year already now. That's only one more than Ohio states. Achilles yalies you on their own line so this is really about whose line can protect the quarterback editor to average. That's what we're looking at now. We'll say this. The into into your alignment the two guards and centers have been extremely solid and pass bropher Michigan. It's all it's all been the tackles. All three of the Interior. Linemen are in the top four pass grade wise lies in the big ten. So don't look for Dave on Hamilton or BB landers Jay Sean Cornell to get a lot done in the interior. Now you talk about the skill at Michigan they have some dynamic players. The most dynamic receiver with the ball in his hands for Michigan is Ronnie Bill. He forced his four. Some twelve miss tackles this year. He averages almost double any other receiver on the roster in yards after catch eleven yards after the catch now is one downfall to watch out for is he has butter fingers. He has seven drops on the year. It isn't as bad as J hamlet from Penn state but it's triple anyone else on Michigan's offense and what Ronnie Bell is not is a deep ball wide receiver ever. He's one of twelve on the year when targeted over twenty years. So don't expect a bunch of shots to runny bill. He's more of an intermediate possession receiver that makes a play after he catches the ball. Now they have some deep ball receivers Meco collins nine or fourteen sixty four percent over twenty yards Tariq Black fifty six percent over twenty yards. The funny one is Donovan People's Jones. WHO's I think? One of the best in the country overall. He's two of six on depots but he's also a lot like Chris Alavi over three when his left Tana's dominant hand so look for him to make plays when he's on the right hand side of shape. Patterson it's not something you commonly look at but you'll notice it and Ronnie Bell eight percent in over twenty yards so don't expect them to try to take shots to the reality of this past attack is how will that match up on Jeff. How Okuda performer? On Nico Collins that has to be the game plan get him on Nico Collins and then how can Sean Wade Blanket Ronnie Bell on those intermediate and short routes the other their key. That is less talked about when we look at this. Ohio state team is how the best free safety in the big ten and the third most effective cover posts safety Jordan fuller can impact hack these deep balls. That's what he does best. He is allowed a reception on fifty eight snaps in coverage every fifty eight snaps. He'll allow reception. That's third third in America. So his ability to read the scheme understand the passing concepts and really toy with shape. Patterson redes- is studying tendencies and be able to blanket blanket. The back of the defense is going to be huge and it should provide that last line of Defense for for Okuda Wade and Damon are net. Who has yet to allow a touchdown this year? The other thing I'm interested the DISEA- is how Josh Gad is trying to use the tight end nick eubanks on Pete Warner in the silver bullet linebackers because he is a possession tight end the Buckeye defense defense will need to sit on his routes. He is never been targeted over twenty yards downfield and I wouldn't expect that to change especially with the deep ball threats. They have out wide receiver mark. So it'll be how they can sit on his routes and how they can undercut his intermediate routes and don't allow him to make an impact in that intermediate idiot range. The in this atmosphere and whether Michigan will have to rely on a horrific run game to win the game jump balls downfield or not going to be as effective against the best cornerback in college football and another corner and Demon Arnett that has yet to allow a touchdown and that is the key. Michigan doesn't have a single running back averaging more or yards per carry than anyone in the backfield allow state not one guy against this rush defense at Ohio state. It will be worse than ever. So it'll be how. How can they run the ball? How effectively can they protect? Shay try to limit chase young and take shots down the field and who are they going to take them on on with. Who are they really going to plan to Attack Jeff Okuda I know Nico Collins is really good player in a deep ball threat? But that's the best corner in college football and then are they going to use runny bill to single up on Shaun Wade. I would imagine they're going to find ways to get Damon Damon Arnett and coverage. That's what I would imagine. They're gonNA try to do. And they're going to have to employ a quick pass game especially to get a rhythm for Patterson with chase young coming after them and the whole defensive line so it's GonNa be really interested in interesting to watch and I think I think it's an Ohio state victory but I think it's close and this is the most concerning matchup of the year for Ohio state state pre playoffs assuming it goes well the elements the past pro away in a rivalry game. This will be no walk in the park. But I expect the Buckeyes pull through win this game go on to win the big ten and take the number one seed in the college football playoffs. It's rivalry week. Man Get juiced up high noon. Ann Arbor Michigan the game. The House that university against the University of Michigan. Ah All right. We'll get to some Alabama Auburn conversation. We want to get the people as picks right back after a word from one of our sponsors right back after this. This podcast gas is brought to you by mybookie attention past President Future mybookie players for this week only mybookie is offering risk-free bet on the bears. Lions game simply choose the team against the spread for up to two hundred and fifty dollars if you win congrats. You've got extra grow holiday spending money if you lose. Congratulations to you as well. My bookie will give you your money Liebeck. It's a no brainer. Because you literally cannot lose. It's no risk all gravy. 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Make sure you do your part to support your team this season hop on the gravy train and get in on the action with my bookie I welcome back to menaces sports as we wrap. This thing up is rivalry week. Big Time rivalry week. And here's here's an interesting thing to note that I think is kind of wild is of all the rivalry matchups the three relevant rival rivalry matchups with playoff off contenders. Involved all have the team in contention on the road that makes for a scary possible outcome will how status to travel to Michigan in Clemson goes to South Carolina Alabama goes to Auburn. It's going to be really interesting so the one that I'm most outside of Michigan I think that's going to be the biggest game. It clemson at South Carolina. Is the real question. Here is can South Carolina. pull off another upset. Can they do it at home in a rivalry this clemson keep keep playing like they've been playing on offense the last four weeks or do they have a regression. Does Trevor Lawrence turn the ball over a little more than he has less four weeks. I think think that game is going to be critical to to watch to see if clemson plays the way they have the last four weeks. They're going to roll South Carolina. And then we're GONNA find out who they have to play. Virginia Virginia the attack. This weekend to see WHO CLEMSON's final. I don't know if you can call it a test but final game will be against before the playoffs but it interesting to watch that. Obviously Ohio State Michigan Oklahoma Oklahoma State. That's definitely upset. Alert and then Wisconsin ask Minnesota the winter that game to play the Buckeyes Navy Annapolis. That'll be a huge game. Also Oh but the game. The other relevant game that I wanted to talk about was Alabama travelling to Jordan Hare Stadium at Auburn. And here's the reality. Obviously this is a two talk of Iowa Lists Alabama. There is no tour. The reality is this mack. Jones though is not always not as dynamic a passer as he been performing on par with two statistically since two departure and when he was initially heard back with ankle midseason both around around seventy one percent. Completion percentage both around eleven yards per attempt both have a similar teed. Interception ratio is seven touchdowns one interception but Alabama so talented on the perimeter at receiver. That realistically if you just do your job you're going to be good enough on offense. Now if the defense can play there's a whole nother conversation. But that is d Erie Erie guarded or that disregards whether to as a quarterback or not. It's all on the defense and can they play up to the playoffs standard. Because that's not what's happening in Alabama right now but I'm really excited about these. These rivalries and I wanted to talk briefly before. Are we get the people's picks about rivalry gains. I've been a part of several Some small school wants temple. Villanova was one and I get it people. Yeah I don't care about that but it's a rivalry nonetheless. Marshall West Virginia was really cool that in state rivalry down the state of West Virginia. That was really cool. And then at Ed Florida. Florida has a bizarre three rivals. The Florida Tennessee rivalry was only because I think Tennessee was so relevant back in the Phil. Fulmer days with Phil Fulmer Steve Spurrier. So it's kind of lost its luster in the rivalry department. And then they really have the other to the cocktail party against Georgia. That's with SEC. Title implications every year. And then. It's the end matchup against Florida state. which is this weekend and it'll be interesting to see how that plays out with the Willie? Taggart mess going on on and Florida in Josh. Perry was on whatever Wednesday and he agreed Florida's in a pretender to an extent. I don't think they lose to Florida state but anyways really really. There's no rivalry that I've been a part of that compares to Ohio State Michigan. I also don't think there is another rivalry in in in the country. That I haven't been a part of the compares. There's some cool wants wants. Texas Oklahoma is a cool one. There's there's some Alabama Auburn the iron bowl is really important in the state of Alabama and in in the southeast but this rivalry up here in the midwest is just different dates back to her urban talk about it. I mean from the sixty nine year When Michigan upset the number one returning national champs number one overall team ever and they upset what Hayes? Ohio state Buckeyes is when it really started at the ten year war. or the between woody and Bo just so much going on in that rivalry that just makes it the best and so it is rivalry week. I'm excited for it. So before we close out the show WanNa make sure we get the people's picks knicks so this show might not be out in time for the first one but anyways people's picks he's got about ten games here so people ex Boise state minus thirteen and a half against Colorado auto state as at three thirty. So I don't know if it'll be out in time for that. But if not then tonight he likes APP. State minus twelve and a half at troy then on Saturday. Likes Georgia Tech at home. Plus Twenty eight and a half with Georgia coming to town Kentucky minus two and a half with Louisville coming to town. He likes Wisconsin minus three at Minnesota Alabama minus three and a half at Auburn. And I kinda liked that one to Baylor minus fourteen at Kansas Boston college plus nine at Pitt. UNC The tar heels minus nine at NC state LSU at home minus seventeen against Texas am and then. His final game is The West Coast Game Nine o'clock pm on Saturday. Byu minus three at San Diego State. 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Are Justin Fields And Ohio State Still In The Hunt?

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Are Justin Fields And Ohio State Still In The Hunt?

"In the ohio state buckeyes have played just one game in the last three and a half weeks but in his limited chances to shine quarterback justin fields has been spectacular today. The athletic spill landis on what an abbreviated season means ohio. State's national title hopes. How field has brought his baseball skills to the gridiron and whether he still has a shot at the heisman it's supposed to be the most outstanding player in college football. It's not supposed to be the guy who just has the best stats if you use your eyes and watch the game just as clearly one of the most outstanding players in college football from wondering on the athletic i'm beat the davidson and i'm under skelter. It's thursday december third and this is the lead. It felt like something was happening. There is emotion. Was not not good. This this isn't a story. We're gonna be the athlete it stays with. We'll so bill. The buckeyes have played only four games due to the big ten's late start and cancelled games because of covid. We'll talk about what that means for their national title hopes in a bit. But i can you just give us a sense of what justin fields has been able to accomplish in his limited chances this season he hit a really high bar to clear when you think about what he did last year. He had fifty total touchdowns again. He kind of really stormed onto the scene in columbus and then it was like okay. What are you gonna do for an encore. And by the way you're encore is going to happen during a pandemic in season. It's not going to start until right around halloween but if you take his numbers thus far and extrapolate them over the course of what a normal season might look like. He's better than last year. Stay in school free. He's completing almost eighty percent of his passes which is absurd statistic. he leads the country completion percentage. He has thirteen touchdowns he's only three interceptions in all three of those were one game. Otherwise he's been nearly flawless fields of. He's number four. In the country. Passer rating is number five in yards per attempt. He's throwing for over twelve hundred yards. So everything you hoped he would be this year. He's been that had on top of that the ability to run the ball really effectively. He's got free rushing touchdowns shots again. Fields touched a year ago. So he's a total package as a quarterback it just so happens that he's only had four games thus far show bill. You wrote about a throw that just justin fields made against rutgers. Where he found chris. Alavi for a touchdown. Here it's off with a play. Fake to serving trestle ave touchdown talk what stood out to you about that plan particular watching it live. I thought it was a bad throw. I was up in the press. Box and the angle. That i was at i thought to myself well. Justin held onto that ball far too long. And then when you get to watch it back on television and see the reverse angle. You see oh. Justin was running perpendicular to the sideline fully perpendicular to the sideline gonna have interception woke. Wear that football was placed talked about the accuracy and the way that he threw it. He threw it across his body while never really redirecting his lower. Half from being perpendicular to the sideline. It was a pretty weird way to contorted one's body while also throwing a football with perfect accuracy in touch that throw happened. I thought to myself he looks like a shortstop. Who's feeling about throwing it on the run. And then i remembered we'll justin did play baseball. So this makes sense. So i reached out to jake story. Who was justin's assistant baseball coach at harrison. High school down in kennesaw georgia just outside of atlanta and. He said that one of the things that justin did the best when he was a high school baseball player and he was a very high level. High school baseball player was field. The ball on the run and throws on the move. He was very good coming in on the wall and was very comfortable with eight moving. And even to the point where i think sometimes maybe he was more accurate throwing on the run and he was sitting back on ball kind of thing and just would relied on. His arm was a shortstop for harrison. He hit leadoff. He had a lot of the tools that would make him a high level baseball prospect a division one baseball player and probably a draft pick but the thing that he did best was throw with movement. And that's what shows up on saturdays. We watch them play football for ohio. State what does justin feel tapped to say about the parallels between baseball and football. I think he's very comfortable throwing on the move and state has done more of that with him this year. All of those those know can be kinda tied with baseball. I think you know me playing baseball for twelve thirteen years. Something like that. Maybe maybe more than that. I think you know just me playing. So i think you just get used to making off-balance throws in stuff like that to back to hitting a baseball if you if you look at justice deep all this year it's been more accurate. I think there's probably a little more velocity on it and that goes back to some of the mechanics hit a baseball. Yeah think of a baseball swing a football very similar. I think there's a lot of the same things going on. Swing your foot in your hips coming through. I was watching clips of justin play baseball. And there's a ball where he hits to center field. It's kind of a line drive over the center fielder head. That doesn't quite get out of the park. But if you see where his hips and when he makes contact with the ball they're aiming directly at where the ball goes and the same is true for football. If you watch. Justin throw a deep ball. He throws a forty yard. Pass down the sideline his lower half when that throwing motion is complete is going to be facing that target. And i think that's where the to get linked. We've seen fields make some plays with his legs. This season not a ton. But as you said he does have a few rushing touchdowns. How evident was his speed on the baseball field. He hit leadoff for a reason i. She's on third score. You know he was he was always to valujet kinda guy let off the anymore in any other double you might as well just put one on the board stealing bases base running as much about awareness and timing as it is about peer speed. Justin has both of those things. But i think his awareness is what took to an elite level. You just knew how to stealing basis. He knew how to read pitchers body language when to start his break and what not to. I think he knew how to read. Where balls might land in the field to know whether or not he should try to take an extra or whether he shouldn't take an extra base and all those things. I think factor into football as well when you think about processes that go in the plane quarterback but it also helps when you watch him in the pocket. He has this sort of extra sense about him to know when someone's around him in which direction he needs to shift his body to avoid pressure. This spin move. He's got pressure right in his face. He just backs away and rolls out. And i think that all comes back to reading people being aware of your surroundings and also sort of sinking of your body with the information that it's processing so going into this season justin fields with all of the tools that he's honed playing baseball and translated to the football field. Justin fields was clear heisman. Frontrunner but he seems to be kind of on the outskirts of this conversation with ohio state. Having played so few games justin fields not enough body only play five six games. He simply won't have the stats and more importantly. I don't think he's going to have the heisman moment. In the past these players have had big games if he doesn't get no big ten championship game. His big game will be against indiana. Does he still have a shot at this award. I don't think he should be penalized playing fewer games. I do think he is behind the guys at the front of the conversation. A little bit guys like florida's kyle. Trask alabama's mack jones. Byu's zack wilson. If you look at the pierre counting stats of course those guys are going to have better stats than just they. Flay double the amount of games but if you took justin stats and we're to assume he'd maintained that level of play throughout the course of a real season. His numbers are on par with all of those guys. And i think if. You're a heisman voter. this year. you have to take that into account. It's supposed to be the most outstanding player in college football. It's not supposed to be the guy who just has the best stats. So i don't know if justin can win just because when you look and you see three thousand passing yards in two thousand passing yards are going to pick the guy that has three thousand but if you use your eyes watch the game just clearly one of the most outstanding players in college football i think he can get back into it but at the moment is on the outside looking. There's almost always a rise in break ins during the holidays. And that's why simplisafe home security is having a huge holiday sale forty percents off any simplisafe system and a free security camera recently. Us news and world report called it the best home security of twenty twenty so whether you're traveling or staying at home for the holidays check out the forty percent off plus free security camera deal before it ends this week. Simply safe has an arsenal of sensors and cameras. 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The second half rutgers has pulled every trick out of their bag that might be the biggest one of the nine network's to perfection so that game did not leave a particularly good taste and ohio states mouth and then the next week their game against maryland and gets cancelled due to covid within the terrapins program. It's even outsing eight football players test positive for the virus within the last seven days and there were some anger. I think within the program because this is what they were nervous about. They were nervous about losing games in a season where the big ten was only going to play nine games in nine weeks and it didn't want to lose an opportunity to impress people an opportunity to play the game. They fought so hard to play this fall. That game got cancelled that. Go and play a game against indiana run out ahead and again led a team come back and only win by touchdown and then coming off of that they have their own issues within their own program with covid nineteen breaking news out of ohio state as the school has announced that head coach ryan day has tested positive for covid nineteen. You'd have to cancel their game against illinois. It's been a very up and down month for ohio state. They only played two games in the month of november. And then i think it was expected coming into this year but once it hits you. It's hard to deal with. What do we know about their chances of actually getting in this game against michigan state. This weekend they have fingers crossed. I think is the best way to put it. They got back on the practice field on tuesday afternoon with suggest that there early returns on their tests this week. We're good enough for them to feel comfortable to move forward so they're preparing like they're gonna play and i think what we've seen in college football all year and in the nfl as well as these positive results can go away one day and come back the next so there's no guarantee they're going to play. It's a very much day to day situation but there's hope at the moment. Ohio state is currently ranked fourth in the nation. Let's assume their game against michigan state is cancelled. What does that mean for the remainder of their season. The big ten has a rule where any team that wants to play in. The big ten championship has to play at least six games and ohio state. If it does not play against michigan state at most could play five games. So they're in a really precarious spot as pertains to that. The college football playoff committee in its protocols for selecting the team's doesn't have anything in there about winning a conference championship being necessary to compete in the final four ohio state in two thousand sixteen did not win. The big ten lost a game. The penn state that kept it out of the big ten championship with the committee picked the buckeyes anyway. So there is precedent to pick a team that has not won a conference title for selection in the playoffs. So it's all a bit messy and i think we knew it was going to get to this point but i think when it comes back to ohio state really wants an opportunity to go to indianapolis to play for the big ten title to make this as clean as possible finally bill. Do you think that justin fields and ohio state despite the abbreviated schedule. We'll have enough on their resume to compete in college football playoff. I do think they'll be there even if they get one. More game cancelled along the way if they can play michigan to end the regular season and then the one thing the big ten is doing is everyone is going to play on what they're calling championship weekend. Even if you're not in the big ten championship so ohio state in theory play a second place. Big ten game against wisconsin which is currently in the top twenty five number sixteen in the first playoff rankings. So there's an opportunity out there to get another quality win under its belt before. The playoff selection committee meets to pick the final four teams. It'll be really hotly contested. I think it'll be the most difficult decision. The college football playoff committee has ever made even as things stand right now with quite a bit up in the air for ohio state. I still think there's a pretty good chance they get in by the end of the earth. Bill thank you so much for following. All of this for us yes. It's been quite the adventure. Own state buckeyes this year. 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"It's wednesday march twenty fourth. We created vaccines and less than a year. But how long will it take us to cure this. We start ear. Colorado authorities gave new information about the shooting that killed ten and the man who allegedly. Did it nobody who shot by the suspect survived amid renewed for stricter gun laws. Police say the killer bought his weapon just days before the attack experts. Say this might just be the beginning. They expected to see a rise in every type of thing that's caused by trigger. Why the pandemic of actually set the stage for more shootings and how much you're jurors expected to know about the most infamous killing in years. They asked them a lot of questions about whether they had seen the video of loyd's death jury is set to examine the death of george floyd. Abc this is start here. I'm brad milkey. You can often tell how the country is doing on days where. The american flag is at half staff whether we're facing crisis. What were morning will last week. President biden ordered the white house to lower its flags in memory of the eight people in atlanta killed in a shooting spree. That flag finally went back up monday. Evening take a look at this image of the flag at the white house. Well my colleague. Karen drivers who works at the white house. She pointed out to flag. Who's back at half staff rather than biden has once again that ordered the flags to be lowered to half staff the victims now in boulder because of a new even more deadly nash shooting it had been raised barely half a day just an extraordinary week here in america and was upstairs meme was hurt so bumpers and she started screaming in trickiest store. Nisa what moments. There's a shooting at the king's super rookie works. We told you in colorado ten people had been killed at king super grocery store in boulder king super says a chain owned by kroger. The lone suspect a man led out of the building. Alive is in custody. We did not have un mortell you than that will over the last twenty four hours. There are a lot more details and a question that is kind of distant over the last year. But it's being asked now much more loudly. What are we going to do to prevent more shootings like this. Let's take it a boulder colorado right now. Abc's chief national correspondent. Matt gutman is on scene so first off matt. Are we getting a better sense. Now of how this shooting played out. We we know fair bit more brad. Police say the suspect showed up at that king super market at just after two thirty a. Driving c. class mercedes sedan happened. Here is just people lying in three guys pretty soon. After he began opening fire his wearing a green tactical vest had an ar fifteen style rifle and a handgun. Active shooter get away and we said it's right now. Just don't look anywhere. don't hesitate. Don't stand up and just run. Just one of the most chilling aspects of the affidavit that we've seen is that the suspect allegedly shot one man outside the market and then stood over him and shot multiple additional rounds. Once we got outside. I noticed that there are people laying in the street and they weren't moving and instantly. I started reading for them and my son grabbed me and said no. We can't do anything out in the open. So we ran hall was in line to go get a shot third person in line and that's when at least one shooter came in and killed the woman at the front of the line from after i was running. I definitely heard more shots. And then he moved on inside ops pop pop pop pop from eye witnesses. I understand that he was just going from place to place shooting people. They ran upstairs to hide the hidden a coat closets dancing up for forty. Five minutes extraordinarily terrifying. Of course the little ones saying john coates weren't long enough to hide our feet as they were standing by the coats. In the closet. One of the most horrific factoid. From this shooting. Is that nobody who was shot by. The suspect survived There was nobody wounded. There was nobody left in the field for medics to tend to accept for the shooter himself. Who almost an hour later was finally shot through the thigh by teams or officers And then surrendered. Nobody has an idea of what the motive might have been And authorities say could take a full year to complete this investigation went. We don't know motive necessarily. Do we know anything more about the suspect. Matt who he is he's a. Us citizen born overseas right. He's a twenty one year. old man. Born in syria emigrated to the united states. When he was three years old we understand. He was a high school wrestler We do know that he purchased that long gun On march sixteenth barely a week before the shooting itself and we understand from his sister in law that he was seen allegedly playing with the gun. in the house over the past couple of days and his family told him to stop a put it away until monday came along well and that's clearly where the questions are going to be. Next right is what kind of guns was he using. How did he get them. And how easy is it for someone to procure these depending on whatever your mental state your circumstances of the time. What do we know about that. As far as colorado in boulder colorado is not a very difficult place to buy weapons In fact just a week before. This young man purchased his a our style weapon. A judge in boulder threw out a case an attempt by the city of boulder to ban long guns assault style rifles in the city. So you know just the the irony of that is pretty interesting one. So what happens next matt like you know. We talked about president biden. He made stopping gun violence a key platform on his campaign. Well now. he's in the white house. His party has control of the house. That's control of the senate. What does he and the democratic party plan to do with that power. I want to be very clear. President biden yesterday said that he is going to act. I don't need to wait another minute. Let alone an hour to take commonsense steps. Oh saved the lives in the future and he wants to close the loopholes. -spective wants to ban assault style. Weapons a senator immediately passed. Let me say it again. The united states senate. I hope summer listening should immediately. Pass the to house-passed bill close loopholes in the background. Check system that's something that he worked on in his tenure as senator something that he is signaling that he wants to work on as a president but obviously this is a very touchy issue in america. Day alavi day. Like no other in richmond this as gun rights activists protested and a rolling caravan instead of a crown at the virginia state. Capitol like years past to give you a sense of what it was like an enrichment. Just before the inauguration we went to a second amendment rally free getting free and people said that this is the one thing that they would be willing to die over is completely wrong to disarm me. It's an anti-constitutional and not let anybody take their guns away. They believe it is the most right in the united states of america. I've already committed to bringing universal background checks legislation to the floor of the senate. What happens in this committee after every mass shootings democrats propose taking away guns from law-abiding citizens because that's their political objective and he is going to face a lot of headwind and whatever he tries to do in turning back the the facility with which of these weapons can be sold Nevin student sqi twenty-three ricky odds twenty-five and you know this memorial that's growing right outside the supermarket There lot of anti-gun signs up one of them is a red. Ak47 style gun and the the blood is dripping off of it and the question is when this question is for the chief it seems that you know in describing the names of the deceased. And what happened that. This wasn't just about your work today. The this was personally very difficult for you. Can you describe what emotions you're going through right now. Now it's it's hard it's challenging I live three blocks up the street from that store You're worried about your neighbors. You're worried about your partner. You're worried about everything when you get that call and i think that's the question that a lot of colorado's are asking They've already suffered so much from mass shootings over the years. And incidentally this young man akhmad. Lisa was born three days before columbine just to give you a sense of how little we have progressed since the mass shooting in columbine the sort of made everybody so aware of this kind of violence in america. Mac duckman there in boulder. Thank you so much. thanks brad. And it's tempting in this moment to say wow right is. The pandemic is showing signs of subsiding. Mass shootings are back. Which isn't right yes. This is the most deadly mass shooting. We've seen in over a year but mass shootings themselves. They haven't gone anywhere. Let's go to josh margolin. Abc's chief investigative reporter josh. What our law enforcement seeing right now when it comes to mass shooting source the reality i vote. Brad can we just not take a moment or just acknowledged just how terribly depressing that it is that with the pandemic is ending and it seems like we're just going back to the future to a regular stream of mass shootings like we saw before the pandemic began a year ago. The horse surrounding mass shooting scene like last year's el paso has given way to a new threat. Covid nineteen is different rolling unending solitary law enforcement when the pandemic began said that yes. We will likely see a decrease in mass shootings like a decrease in crime in the near term that was last march april. May when the lockdowns were extreme would you believe is behind this. This huge drop off in mass shooting. The opportunity hasn't been there because we are not gathering in public spaces but law enforcement also said that the public should be prepared. That going forward these were going to return and in fact they might. Well come back with more force. And that's what we've been seeing where we've seen more crime next to the disturbing rise in gun violence across the country hundreds shot in new york chicago philly los angeles and other major cities extremists shootings with high numbers of fatalities in less than a week. Given what we saw in atlanta last week and now in boulder colorado in the last twenty four hours is. Is this what we're now going to deal with as we emerge from this pandemic and on top what we see in the last in the last week bread. Let's remember mass. Shootings have been steadily going up in two thousand eighteen three hundred and thirty seven mass shootings by last year. Twenty twenty that number had almost doubled to six hundred and eleven just going back to two thousand twenty first second. Linka pandemic is getting started. Everyone staying in their house. Everyone's like wow you're gonna see crime go down and it does for a hot second but then it comes back so much more like. Why did it. Rise so quickly. There are working theory as to why we would tend to think that people would be just so thrilled to be able to start getting out of their homes that they would just be so happy and there wouldn't be a need to commit terrible act violence but experts that study this saturday that targeted violence mass casualty attacks like these things. They are oftentimes prompted by trigger. We know that young people are at home and sometimes abusive homes. We know that there's increase in depression and hopelessness. We know that people are losing their jobs. That relationships are hurting. those are often triggers. What's happened in the pandemic is that you've had economic collapse on a major scale. You've had sickness on a major scale. You had death on a major scale the whole those triggers the trigger so everybody in the country everybody in the world has basically gone through these catastrophic events that could lead to it. So what you then have to do. You multiply the number of people that have the triggering events and you do the the average about the number of people that might act out in the course of any given year all of a sudden you start seeing why we would see an explosion in this type of violence. It's terrible the truth is the experts are saying and have been saying for the last year. Not only did they. Terribly expect to see a rise. In mass casualty attacks. They expect to see a rise in every type of thing that's caused by triggers all the bad stuff all the stuff that that that is is a sign of people being desperate not them phetamine overdose. Deaths are up by about a third. They are not just one. Single drove receiving multiple drugs. Many partners are quarantined with their abusers and cannot get away with more arrests of anarchist follow extremist than in the prior three years combined. So now like you said we were seeing like all these mass shootings of three four or five people will now. We're seeing eight people killed at a time time. Is there a sense among experts that this could keep getting worse yes. People are starting to get out of their homes. People are starting to gather so there you wind up having the groupings of people together which is where you have. A lot of these mass casualty attacks like we've seen over the last number of years. In addition this is the uniquely american problem. We deal with every single time guns. Kill a lot of people at once so you might have somebody who wants to act out. If they're acting out with a knife it would be terrible of course but they may not be able to kill eight people at a time in succession. Long lines have been reported at gun stores from california to washington state to ohio by far the most common reported reason for buying a gun was protection against crime. Although nearly a third said they were reacting to lockdowns fears of the government covid nineteen and the twenty twenty election. Let's not forget. During the pandemic the nation was racked with fear and when the nation is fearful people. Buy guns guns were purchased in incredibly large numbers over the last year. So you had all these triggers all. This terrible collapsed all these problems in society. All these people who might feel desperate substance abuse other kinds of psychiatric problems and on top of it. You have a lot more guns on the street. Yeah pandemic or not guns are out there. Now they're not going anywhere. another reason. Democrats are going to have this tough question today and going forward. Is this the kind of issue that would actually make them do something drastic. Like and the filibuster. Someone like that are josh mogollon. Thanks a red. Thanks so much. Exxon start here. The most shocking death of twenty twenty didn't involve a gun at all that will make the trial less difficult. We go to minneapolis after the break. 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Whitney loyd has had her eyes on this from the start has been covering this whitney haberman. So what should we know about this jury. How does this work. So we've got fifteen jurors that have been selected We expect that fourteen of those jurors will be sworn in seated on monday when opening statements are set to begin that fifteenth jurors. Really just a backup in case somebody doesn't show up. The judge wanted to be sure that he had a full panel to to start the case next week so four teenagers that are expected to be seated. Eight of them are white. Six identify as people of color including four. Who self identify as black on the jury. There are five men and nine women and their ages ranged from their twenty s up until sixty. So it's about the split between younger and older jurors and because of cova because of security concerns with this particular trial. It's not as many people in the courtroom as usual so you and your fellow reporters than watching livestreams of this jury selection. What did that whole process. Tell you about what each side was looking for here. How does that impact. What we're about to see. Look good morning. Everyone first of all can everybody hear me. Give me a thumbs up. Yeah that's right. There are about eleven days of jury selection. And i didn't miss a second of it and it was pk hill. I'm one of the judges of the district court and you have been summoned. Here's potential jurors in the case was state of minnesota vs derek chauvin. So obviously you're not gonna find anyone especially not in hennepin county minnesota that hasn't been exposed to a great deal publicity about this case. Make sure that if you sit jer you decide this case. Only on the evidence on the law. That i give you so. They weren't really looking for people who had no knowledge of the case but they were certainly looking for people who could be impartial. And here What the lawyers had to say in court and set aside anything that they might have heard Prior to do okay did indicate you have some empathy for the officers fair fair. I said earlier to that. I have him safer. George floyd as well so they asked these jurors a lot of questions to try to get at their thoughts on a whole host of topics in terms of a police reform. What are your thoughts on police reform. I think there are good things and there are things that should be changed. I think from black lives matter. Blue lives matter. Hold the fund. Police thing to me is lunacy. What they felt the effect of the protest last summer were on minneapolis. A video described. This video was taken by a bystander. Asked them a lot of questions about whether they had seen the video of loyd's data you go onto a social media platform or some other website and watched the video from start to finish or are you referring to smaller clips in segments. I mean the first few times. I think it was smaller clips and there's one other longer segment okay. How much of that video have they seen. Did they just see it in passing on the news did they seek it out online to watch the full video and in themselves about what actually took place over the course of that nine minutes. That chauvin was kneeling on floyd's neck. Okay so that's really helpful. What will the jury now be told to consider you said monday. And they're essentially. You're going to be told to look at multiple charges right. In fact some of the charges seemed like they were changed in the middle of jury selection. Yeah that's right so former officer derek. Chauvin is currently facing three charges. A second degree murder charge a second degree manslaughter. Charge and third degree murder charge in that third degree murder charge is actually what he was initially charged with in the days immediately following. Floyd's death last summer by the hennepin county district attorney but back in the fall. The presiding judge in this case judge k hill actually tossed out the third degree murder charge and his rationale for that was that in minnesota third degree murder has historically applied when the defendant endangered more than one person and at the time that he dismissed that charge judge. Kale said look in this case Chauvin and the other officers. Their actions were only directed at one person. That person of course being georgia you thought he killed this one guy like charged second degree murder like. You can't just give extra charges that you don't think apply here right so so. That was his rationale. But then just last month there was a higher court ruling in another case of another former minneapolis. Police officer in which that their degree murder charge was upheld. So basically that ruling set a precedent that said now minnesota third degree. murder can apply in cases. When you're only endangering one person so because of that higher court ruling judge k hill reinstated the third degree murder charge a chauvin as jury selection was underway. A watershed moment tonight for the heartbroken. Family of george floyd and another interesting thing to keep in mind here brad. Is that while. Jury selection was underway. The city of minneapolis came out and announced a record. Setting twenty seven million dollar settlement with the family of george floyd floyd family attorney ben. Crump calling it the largest pretrial settlement in a civil rights wrongful death case in. Us history is not just enough for america to say that black lives matter. We have to show that black lives matter by actions. Normally we expect criminal trial and a verdict to be decided before a civil case is resolved with settlement. And obviously the timing right in the middle of jury selection was an issue after after this settlement was announced judge k hill called the jurors that had already been selected back and ask them questions about whether they had heard about the settlement whether the news of the settlement would impact on their ability to the impartial. Jurors told judge. Peter kay hill at that. Massive settlement signaled the city. Believe chauvin did something wrong making it hard for them to be impartial and actually to jurors that had already been selected ended up being dismissed so you know the judge was not pleased with the timing of that announcement from the city. Unprecedented attention to every bit of this would swipe they got an extra just in case something comes up over the next week or so. All right whitney loy. Thanks so much. Thanks brad emma last thing. This was not what movie theaters had in mind for summer blockbuster season so what are you going to do and linda. Lot of lives but an done room from my past. Perhaps the biggest box office departure of the pandemic so far disney has decided to release black widow in theaters and on its disney plus app at the same time we finished business before we go further. I should say disney the parent company of abc. But the reason this is really a huge deal is not a movie streaming. We've seen that elsewhere is not that you'd have to pay thirty bucks for it. We saw that with moulana some other films but this is a marvel movie in july. Marvel is one of the most profitable studios on the planet right now. If black widow can sell half as many tickets as a vendors endgame. We talked about a billion dollars. Disney pushed the release back last year because of the pandemic so this move now either means a disney does not think people are coming to theaters in the same way in the foreseeable future or be it streaming platform has become so important. It's willing to tick off some movie theaters. Because that's the big question in the movie world right now. We'll movie theaters matter going forward dog goto the in the before times. You can watch a movie at home until months after its theatrical premiere. That was not an accident that was because of really strict contracts will now. Movie theaters have way less negotiating power. But they're not down for the count we need com- the world finna world the parent company of rigo says it will reopen. Us theaters next month. This is the head of the godzilla vs kong on april second. Got warner brothers. Which this year is releasing all of its films on the macs just announced a deal with regal cinemas for next year. This deal is for the first forty. Five days of a new film. Audiences can only see it in theaters. After that you're living room does become an option a year ago. This waiting period was three months now. A month and a half cinemark signed a deal in november tola universal pictures to offer its movies to us homes after only seventeen days off theater screens is going to hang back and see anyone actually comes out to see black widow and theaters so this next year is going to be a make or break moment for your local movie theater. Anyone who says movies are just as good at home. What's the difference. You've not heard how bad my tv speakers are but then again stacks my house way. Better choices. hit us up on twitter on instagram. Tell us what movies you think you absolutely have to watch in a theater more and all these stories at abc news dot com or the abc news app. I'm brad milkey sita martin. I wrote app. London about a nine page analysis of what i thought he situation from best-case studios and abc audio. 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Andrew Wear: Cracking the world's biggest problems

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Andrew Wear: Cracking the world's biggest problems

"I think the honest on all of us if we're gonna put hot and souls into something that we case passionately bad. We want to be reassured. That actually achieving. Yeah pam that we we hyper this. I'm leigh matthews and you're listening to the good problem podcast. A weekly series unpacking sticky. Doing good doing good is tricky at the best of times even at an individual level. It's difficult to get it right. When it comes to tackling the world's because problems such as climate change education violence gender inequality immigration and living standards and tuffah. Many of these. What's nine as wicked problems. Problems that are difficult or impossible to solve g to their contradictory nature problems that create more problems in the spaces in the cost of solving the original problem. Some countries is doing better than others at solving these problems within their own borders and my guest today andry where has put together a wonderful exploration of just how. They are doing that in his new book solved. Andrew is a senior australian public servant with degrees in politics law economics and public policy and is a graduate of the harvard kennedy school of government. He's also a fellow at the institute of public administration and a director of a children's education charity. His work appears in peer reviewed journals as well as the mandarin the guardian and others. Welcome to the good problem. Podcast andris fantastic debate healy except me. I'm excited to chat to you. First off i'm going to ask you what tells the idea of doing good main to you. Personally it's a fantastic question. And i think it really is. It's a lot of who. I am as a person in it goes right back. I think to making sense of what it means to be alive. Really what it means to be a human you get one loss on his earth and i think the way i make sense of it is. It's actually to try. And ensure that mike a positive contribution in some why the world's a little list a little bit better by virtue of having been year that's at the heart of it but what does it actually means speaker I've been reflecting on this too. I think it's two components. I think it's got by the subjective and component. I think the subjective is clearly. It's about trying to do good being the best you can. Bay a sense of striving in a very human y dealing with the contradictions in hypocrisies. That are involved in banking human trade-offs between on the one hand trying to be a good father in making an impact to the lives of my shooting on the other hand trying to leave an impact abating very very small y on a global scale and weighs the best place to put your f- it but i'm absolutely convinced that striving to be good is not fun at sign. Actually i think being good involves some sense of empirical evidence that what you're actually doing is good. It requires a robust evaluation and trying to be good doesn't necessarily equate to good asya because it's very easy to try to be good and actually end up doing home at the end of my life not only tried to be good. I was the best that i could but actually had a positive impact in a positive legacy that had some form all dhs. Empirical analysis could support that decision making my ridge right. Do you think that that position that you've landed on. Is that something that has been evolving throughout your life like have you always kind of held that belief or is it something. That's kind of come to the fore a bit more recently. It's definitely both through my life. But it's been an idea in a sense that i had to give meaning to my life might get worse. Something had to make a contribution in some type of foam. And i think very much i was always cold to the idea of impact a policy style. Say the idea of doing something to make yourself feel good fed a little bit. Achey because bittu self-centered if you're gonna do good has to put up is external to yourself at the at the center of the freemen Yourself at the center of the frame. And i think it's taking me a while but i think to Become stronger as of progress. My work that Focus on analyzing the outcomes to actually determine what actually was the impact of intervention. I think that's been really a really strong faming my work in in recent years. Yeah absolutely i read your book solve turn recently and festival say. I really enjoyed it. Secondly that idea around having an empirical base for our interventions really comes through in the book you know the whole book is centered around what. What is the evidence for what works. And what doesn't something that also struck me about. The bulk was that by highlighting. The things that different countries are getting ryan when it comes to these big complex social challenges that are faced by our world it's also highlighting to me that there seems to be almost a refusal to land from this autry arpan to learning by other countries. You know. I had digging the heels in and going. This is our way. This is what we're doing winner can attack that on. What do you think that happens. Even when there's an evidence base that these things work is definitely an answer. Census complacency the. That's just the way it is. We have to accept that writing the book which really looks around the world and looks at best practice in what other countries doing and really puts the provocation out there. Getting such great results. Why count we also and constantly get the pushback. That's different over there. They've got a different culture. They've got different institutions different history in where us in the right way of doing it is the way i think there is i. Guess a comforting that type of argument in a sense because it voids confrontation with the idea. That what we're doing isn't As beginning back as possibly could. But i think tomato win to provide guests with the argument is if not achieving sorts of outcomes that other search shaving by doing something. Different than what yeah. It's that when you better do better exactly. Yeah exactly and i think in marquez. I felt the biggest thing. I could do it. It could be useful would be to find examples around the world and actually was in front of tables vices to say. Hey they're getting great results might be. We should think about that. And what kind of response have you seen for example in australia where we are to the ideas presented in the book. I know you working government. So i am showing that you've bought some of these concepts and ideas as well. What do you see as the the challenge fit. Implementing these kind of changes in the in our government system. Here is all sorts of challenges everything from bureaucratic inertia in the why that bureaucracies just keep rolling on doing time things. They've always done through to think an ideological sort of disposition that permeates the whole country. An ideological ends that run brings to the table and it's very very difficult for people to takeoff that ideological perspective that i bring to the table in order to get a fresh at a policy challenge fund. That's the biggest idol. We've all got to at some point in front that head on and their examples from the eastern asian countries where they're getting some incredible results in health and education and economic development that we can all learn from and we can still learn something in some instances from countries like the uk in us. as well. so. I think that ideological thread is one that we make sense of the world but it also is to bury it get in the way for experimenting engaging with ideas you talk about singapore's education system in the book Something that really resonated for me while rating. That was this idea of it in a government system. That's relatively stable. This seems to be more of an ability to cement changes or the long term. I think he compared it to australia. For example where we have regular changes in late ship here often there can be a resistance to implementing change within the education system. Because it's like well actually the next government that comes in it's going to change it. So what's the point. I think it's not just in the education is in any sort of complex system Bureaucracy again way you're trying to institute. A challenge is says phoenix peasants gonna come in direction in eastern time. Why would you commit to that change. Because you wouldn't have the trust that the environment's going to say at through end site for long term change to really be effective. Everyone involved needs to have the commitment to that. Long-term perspectives net lonesome engagement in the proposition. And i think we can still learn from that in a country like a fully democratic country like a strategy where we have china's of government. I think we have to be careful. When thinking about reform agendas that may not just flip flopping and john ging regularly either. We actually have some sense of the the long term Lena thread that runs through the progression as well. Yeah i mean the word. Flopping is exactly what comes to mind when i think about our government and the changes within our government here and and particularly the policy like we'll opposite to what you say and therefore the change comes in and like you said. People had disillusioned people not bored into that change as he said perversely. It's one of the probably negative of democracy is that ability to change so quickly interesting to think about as a public policy academic who currently works in local government my year saying shift more towards the evidence based policymaking and program funding that you talk about in the book and that we often see in the for profit sector is now certainly provides the language evidenced by policymaking is a big part of discussion evaluation. Frameworks have to be put in place at the at the start of any big policy intervention before we invest money has to be an investment or an ad comes logic framework would imply so that you can actually be clear about. The outcomes would say the intervention so the architecture there. I guess the question that i have is how much commitment is to that in a in a real sense Beyond going through the motions of doing that there's probably a little bit of a disjuncture and whilst political decision making will always be the case in a democracy gonna have ministers you make up their minds by on a whole range of factors in a whole range of daughter in inputs getting from people all over the place the filtering process that comes out through. The institutions of government is applying that evidenced by lanes to it. Show me that. It's actually going to do what it says on the box. It's not good enough to assert something good idea. You actually have to show me that what you're asking me to investing is actually going to lead to improvement in the communism evidence by support that notion. Yeah absolutely. I mean it's been a big push for this in the development sector in the broader not for profit sector but i think something that is interesting in that space is that there is a really limited pool of funding available and yes in any intervention should be evidence-based and should be measured and reported on. But there's a bit of attention there in the lodge not for profits who have the cash flow and the budgets to invest in developing robust impact measurement systems The ones that increasingly getting the funding because diners learning a lot. More about this as well. But i have to wonder. What does that mean for the smolen for prophets. That can't afford it. That don't have the technical expertise in house and particularly for kind of small grassroots movements and civil society that just can't compete in a already very crowded environment and it makes me worry. Does that mean we're going to miss you. Amazing ideas and innovative ideas for interventions that your rights appointed attention. But also i think it puts a challenge out we'll offer for profits regardless of how big business of missouri impact the business of evaluating impact. Is it the hot of the whole exercise in regardless of how small you are. You've got to assume that a proportion of the budget is a guy to evaluating impact. I think that's got to be given. It isn't in edison government you allocate young but is five percent or whatever it whatever. The percentage of budget is to evaluation. And i think the logic should apply to a small nonprofit as well as creative approaches to working with Brian i professional support That i think is on all of us. If we're gonna put a hot and souls into something we case passionately about we wanna be rea- showed that sexually shaving the outcome that we we hope it is absolutely and i would also argue that you shouldn't be setting up a not for profit and delivering programs if you haven't done the research and if you're not in a position to measure in the as an individual i could not be fully committed to the close of enough for profit if i didn't know that it was shaving objectively achieving impact. I would struggle with that personally. You might be in the mire on one. One of the chapters in solved also focuses on inequality and you at the end of each chapter. East suggest around five kind of things that governments could do now to address each topic that you bring up and as i was reading my attention was really drawn to thinking about the impact of covid on widening the gap between the haves and have-nots we know that curved his disproportionately affected minority groups. And we also know that the impact of that effect will be felt for really long time to come what two governments need to do to mitigate these impacts and prevent inequality from increasing. I think what's been really clear through this. Pandemic is the impact says you sigh of pain felt by those minds. Disadvantage bay the ones. That have bain ending up in hospital bay. The ones that have been dying and i think what this is really reminded us is that such determinants of health. Underpin health outcomes in every sense and dependent makes rip despite that crystal clear essentially determinants of things like housing for example deleting overcrowded housing other factors such as smoking rights a basically writes a pollution all of those factors contributing ada to Increase increased likelihood of death or increase likelihood of acquiring the virus in the first place. If i'm working in a job that expiring may on a daily basis to different environments them much more likely to be catching the virus. And i think that sort of inequality ron's through this pendant can is revealed it. After this pandemic had we learn the lessons is pandemic to really put him plice measures. That address Because a universal healthcare system will not fix the social determinants of health. If you you've actually got a guy debut in addressed the inequalities you forgot to avoid this huge yeah yeah. So the structural inequalities that gladys to this position in the first place pre carpet ryan here they existed before covid and now i'm a now exist afterwards as well whilst A country like australia with universal health care is really well. Placed australia forms relatively polling when it comes to inequality as well inside while we've done a great job of Relatively compared to most countries in the world of containing the spread of the virus containing the sort of the impact in terms of mortality of the virus died the inequalities. That run through that main. The anything's possible. When it comes to e- actual health impacts of the var skin long-run because of that inequality d think it's going to take covid to actually see definitive change on these things or wire that him with covid we and say change and i think tivat provides islands on some of these in one thing. I'm really thinking it'd be really really critical will bay robust pies pandemic review so that we can really get get some good insights into the pandemic what we can delve deep into into some of these issues and really prosecute the women said that they level get governments on board with him. It's gonna require everything from rethinking. Progressive taxation systems redistribution of income wealth and addressing housing affordability in no sorts of big structural challenges. I suspect that only to play out through the democratic process as well as through the policy process i think and that perhaps needs consistency of government or at least bipartisan support for policy. Change right. yeah that's right. But i'm one of the things i think that we've saying all around the world and regardless of whatever the policy issue is he can't just leave it to government to sort out when i look around the world and i say gender equality tackled by the islamic government for example ostlund spain top of the gender equality titles more than a decade. That was because of years and years and years of campaigning by islamic with for example on the streets really prosecuting. The issue in china doesn't come about because a bunch of politicians bureaucrats decided is it comes about because as a sweeping momentum in abroad a society and that's up to all of us. I think the i loved that. Chapter particularly writing about ninety percent of islamic women took the day off to protest. Yeah oliva alavi anecdote. Where i'm at the end of the day. Apparently they was stick with the smell of burning means because the men were doing their best to try. Try and go hilarious spill so disturbing. Is this from a couple of decades ago. Much i play. The level of culinary ability would have improved by now but i think that the point is that that social change lead to outcomes into messy social transformation in a country like by assigned. That's fly directly from some of that campaigning. What's the population of iceland. Off the top of your head very small. I think it's about three hundred thousand of took my head site that you know the size of size geelong something. Yeah how would you argue that. That kind of structural change is much easier to implement in such a small population. it possibly Through the book a lot of the examples that are really looked at some of the country's top of the lakes tend to be smaller smaller democracies at the same time. I've been researching multiple that. I'm writing and learning for example. A country like type which is roughly the same size distracting population wise and what the added after the size epidemic in two thousand and three was a did a massive structural review of what went wrong during size and then put implies a whole series of foams main amazingly well paid for covid nine saying this time round. They've only had seven s title. No infections likely since april and they've been able to get on with their lives as a result that ability to sort of take a good hard look learn from what went wrong learned from around the world put in place reforms this spain pretty impressive at that level as well. Sorry it's probably hotter authentic any real hot and fast rules about it. Because some of the countries that don poli the us and uk and others have been be complex democracies but we both die saying little social democratic countries like sweden. Some pretty badly as well and say you know this is not real hot and fast rules. I think certainly which he say the australia has done. Well i think the metrics yes. You're in terms of health outcomes Nine hundred deaths from memory and mortality Million people is down the bottom of the type we've done we've done really well. A nice metrics at governments for the most part got together bank prepared to listen to expert advice in tough decisions. I think the next question for australian governments will be how we deal with the recession that follows and the and the economic downturn. Because that's another the second pot. I think of this of this crisis we need to tackle and i think it's probably too early to tell it's interesting. I am in melbourne today on the day of recording i think we've got two cases here And still in still in stage. Four lockdown conversely. I went to a colleague in philadelphia. She asked how many cases and was asking about lucked out. And and i said out to. And she said oh. We've got twelve hundred today just just new cases today and went not in any kind of lock down. I think that's really interesting. It's it's kind of t arn are for their verses a very controlled strategy. Yeah i think when this is alive they'll be some good reflection and analysis because we both sides saying countries like south korea and taiwan who've been extremely successful in containing the virus with nylon down and they've used technology in pricing and testing as a k. intervention I think i think it's a little bit too early to reflect on the sped. We donate to take the time when his his iowa to really ask what went. Well what went win less. Well what could we have done differently. What she'll be put in place to us to be well prepared next time. Because i think one thing in one thing is clear that will be a time is guaranteed to be another pandemic so we just need to make sure that we Have that learning mindset. And i think that runs through through by things on preparedness to learn Yeah you see in government At the moment here in local common many people would argue. That government is not the place to do the most good. Do you think that government is the vehicle to do the mice. Good guesses comes back down to the subjective pot of of of doing good doesn't it government represents about forty percent of the australian economy. It's a big player in the world. And we're the big levers round healthcare education some of the environmental labor's and texan distribution and is big lakers have the capacity to have an enormous influence. You could argue that. Almost the principle purpose of government. And so i think if you're in the business of doing good e- count work around government or ignore government implied such big central important role. Now welts so. I think that question. Do you might get huge impact in slow profit or do you want to try. And mike an incremental change in his big base that he's government the potentially then roll out and make an incremental difference on the lives of offsetting the government is a messy full of good and pissing talk enormous satisfaction from playing a very tiny role for example in the decision to most woods. Funded three year old kindergarten huge satisfaction because a massive policy change the whole range of areas. Which as an individual you can say. I played a little bit of a part in that and that matters. And that's a really great incremental change. And i think there's a lot of people who work in government who are doing it because divided to do good so as easy to do good within government. I think it is such an important vehicle. That i think he did do worse than charter. Mikey contribution from within governor andrew. Is there someone that you can think of. That's been your greatest influence in doing good. I'd say look to some of the gripe political latest that sort of latest sue have left a significant legacy on the countries that come off to them. People like poke Led the massive reforms about aboriginal land rights and native title for example. Put a lot on the line to actually make that happen. Design personal leadership. Got that happening. And i think that shy one person within government can actually be driver reform in china. Obey the promise that this now obvious people that really laid out at me because everyday surrounded by people who are really coming to work in passionate about what they trying to make a difference. Ni- ni- that's a k- this question. I think will be interesting for you. Given your book solved what do you think is the greatest social challenge vow time something that future generations will look back on and wonder what on earth we were thinking. Clearly climate change. I think when it comes to thinking about policy challenges the existential threats have got to be right up the the sort of questions if we tackle this our existence as a species is in dash cam. Climate changes is one of those and it's also one critically important because the signs is really cleaning problem. Definition is really quite clearly articulated and even the solutions a relatively obvious in clear as well in the barriers. The why are actually Political decision makings of needed to be worked through inside. I think if you're gonna do good in mike and mike an impact the ability to actually galvanize support and bring that political leadership to the point of actually being able to mike the decisions that are really obviously clearly articulated. Because i don't think. Climate change is a policy challenge matches. It is a political challenge. Selena country like ustralia. The bizarre thing about this of course is the evidence is clear that reducing carbon emissions is completely compatible with continued prosperity. Aminuddin max the country. Are i explode in the book at the same time. prepare capita cabinet missions. By half they've seen a reduction in energy consumption into a massive increase in economic guard. Australia's so that the coupling has tardily possible. The policy solution is really really obvious. Just needs every to get on board absolutely i. i think. I don't know if you've seen david attenborough's new documen trade. Have you know probably for me. One of the most powerful things in driving that message. Heim that this really is our greatest threat. Climate change is the greatest threat to the species and its survival. Yeah i recommend it's fascinating Andrew if he could tell the world something in nari that every single person would hear it. What would it be. What i would say is that we have. We have the knowledge and we have the tools to solve months to the world's biggest problems. The fact that we haven't solved is not due to the lack of understanding that knowledge exists. It's not hypothetical their countries all around the world successfully tackling the biggest problems if other countries can do it successfully is absolutely nar ysmael country count to favorite place on earth. My favorite place on earth is the place where i can absolutely get away from it all And see my stress levels. Plummet the little mountain blades code. Well jala gives land in the moment drive around that corner into that village Symbols plummet. And i can dial everything back on the other extreme night. One of my favorite places in the world or at least was pre pandemic. pot. Melvin sebei day in particular. There's absolutely bustling with national students. And people from from all around the world just the sheer vitality and energy. That comes with that. I get enormously excited by an. I love love city as well so I love entry. I know you're riding a book at the moment. At what bookie reading as part of writing the book up and reading a lot about the spanish flu about the experience of the flow in nineteen nineteen said three books really associated with that one compile rata by laura spinney The great influenza. By john barry That when code pandemic century binoche honigsbaum and three. I think the story of the spanish flu in different wise Simply devastating it was but also how quickly the will recovered and i think. What's really exciting about. I guess learning from the experience of the past is that shows how quickly the welcome bounce back. It's just a fees lighter through the roaring twenties the will had pretty much a decades-long potty. I think the possibility of flourishing can come off to a period of time like the assistant. He's really exciting. So i've really enjoyed reading and learning a lot about something that i didn't know a lot about before. What about podcasts. I love listening to podcasts. On a regular runs around melbourne. Some of the abbey say podcasts of listen to great podcasts. Bad trump is africa code. But it's fantastic. One humans of purpose. Another melvin bias. Picasso really enjoy it is a whole range of them and everything from big policy ideas through politics but i think what i really enjoy what i really enjoyed. That olodum is getting the perspective on big policy challenges humans that had grappling to deal with them. And i guess if you'd have a narrative thread that runs through through some of those wonderful wonderful. Well andrew thank you so much. For being on the podcast. I'm so grateful for your time and your insights. And i can't wait to radio next book. Kenya tell us where to find. Your facebook solved so solved with published in march. Twenty twenty five black ink so you should be able to find the demise bookshops and The next tentatively code recovery will be at in september site Say look at that one. Excellent excellent end. Can people find on twitter twitter at andrew. We w e r instagram at. We're andrew the other way round. Yeah i spoke also with andrew wheel. Excellent excellent well thank you again. It's came wonderful to have you on. Thank sleet really enjoyed the conversation. Thank you this. Podcast is recorded on the lands of the judge our own and wrong people in the kulin nation. We acknowledge them as the traditional owners and true sovereigns of the land. despite the impact of european invasion. We acknowledge the deep understanding in connection to country and rich cultural knowledge week. Knowledge and pay our respects to their eldest and eldest indigenous communities across the world. 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Did we make a MISTAKE?!

The Mad Mamluks

1:51:05 hr | 5 months ago

Did we make a MISTAKE?!

"Welcome to the maximum. Luke's my name sim along with my co-host more doing Before we get the show started out on paycheck. Dot com slash. Dmed on luke's and make sure you click like and comment in dot com section below with any of your thoughts related to the show. And if you haven't done so already make sure you click on subscribe and hit the bell notification to be notified every time we go live now. Is we get people starting to roll in. We're just gonna kinda keep critics. Yeah ios so. It's been a crazy week. I tried to come stay off of social the great neck episode dropped and i think You know a lot of us Kind of just flew under the radar. Let people go crazy And let them vent a little bit so that we can hear everything out and finally respond Awesome wasn't invited to that one for obvious reasons. Yeah so i can show these comments effort so yeah Mort was not in. Show a dalia reasons because you a jerk critic more than critic. You're don't take your serious. That's just my opinion. I listen listen. Hold on this not about value. Though people are so quick thing over there. I don't know that's what that's one of the. Okay i go over there and do some areas listen so if people are so quick. The cancel us right in by. What can i say back. I mean like if you get it. Look ahead to cancel it. Yeah exactly the other part now. Is this other brother up. Is it taking underselling. Cancelling fitness the thing with that. I remember when she came last time on our show. she didn't have to raise small like small. Like i'm not talking about you know. Oh that wasn't part of yet. We're very very small okay. And and she came to our studio she. She didn't know much about us and she had a very long day re exhausted to she. Didn't have to come and you know we did not offer any honorarium or anything. And she came in. She's okay you don't want. I'm going to Participate in in whatever effort that we're doing. She seems like a good person. I don't like to you know so. I'm sure she thought i follow this kirk on. She's nice person. I just don't take reviews very serious holidays such. You don't know much about her. I mean look. I heard thing about hall now. I have to get confused between her sister and her. I remember this whole off. Get difference between her and her sister. Be you and your brother. Thank him and his brother. Wanna talk about how about raising young men and about how the brain raising properly and soya. How was the story of how the guy was dating. And then the mother found out about it and then how they had to like talk to the other side and married and she was in the middle of the arbitrary of that. Same idea dude. Even then. that's that's all walks. We've talked about marriage. What she came on the first time so the auburn i saw was this this. She apparently had a story where admiring how the muslim family like treated like this kid where he came home and found that they were dating some girl and like how. Yeah yeah so. Essentially the guy the kids mother essentially said you know what we're going to go about it the right way. And we're gonna go where the parents nana spouse and we're gonna propose marriage and sixteen years old and they're like oh so she was comparing about how like if you have a muslim household somehow makes the problem. I mean. i don't know how it's just really weird team so look a lot a lot of the stuff that happens related to social media and the whole way of speaking everyone ninety percent of the muslim community whether your men or women. They're all have this way of speaking of late. You know where you're demonizing a certain segment of the community were whether it's it's men or it's White people or what have you you know. And i'm not saying she that's what she did. But you have to kind of put that aside and see that. Hey you know what. Because i confront that trap to when i saw some of the people who are involved in like Anti islamaphobia a twitter account. I'm what what are they doing. Like all like super woke culture type. But the you'll find out that from from a couple of people who are friends of friends and stuff that he the really nice just have silly ideas. And that's why i'm not saying in. Here's one thing judging her. What i'm saying is that for me. I just don't vibe meet this thing disappear click. Click it again. Oh awkward when you did high any other comments you took an independent and then just send somebody. Somebody commented about like. That was her sister not her. But said you got. I mean well i mean look at the end of the day the whole i'll be honest. You go oh s culture like the whole thing around that they do but for me. I just don't buy our it like i mean. It's just not my seen over apologetic in over to too much to like the appealing to people. So that's that's what mobile some media out there it's all a saturated with that kind of language. You know. I don't really i hear you. I hear you. I think just more harsono how you actually feel about think. You don't really feel that against her. I mean she she considered that's folks think for Chiming in into the chat is lively and going crazy so Make sure you send us your questions. we had a very You know say to put it mildly controversial episode. I mean it's sounds the edited. I actually had people should also controversial of people who have a problem with depot which knack otherwise So let's just jump into it. No molly came on our show and people went crazy on. Twitter not sounded ninety nine percent of people. We got feedback from very positive supportive. Everyone wanted to you know just had nothing but good things to say. There was a loud in vociferous group of individuals who we all know. Don't even listen to the show but they were very upset and there might be a few who do actually listen to show. I'm not gonna blanket every few the one that did listen criticize k. Look i'm still gonna keep listening. Is i know you guys are offering everybody so i just. I'm just. I'm not happy. Just one there but there are people. You know who. Don't listen my guy they're bringing on knack harasser on the show in the boys club again. The boys club three eight four asian guy bringing on knack just to glorify harassing think. Here's the thing. A lot of these people who that would stop mine rubbing on on styrofoam show the careful. What you're doing. What is the matter with you wearing sound proof studio every little tiny noise magnified nervous right now. Is that what you're rubbing elbows his ear. Oh yes like cutting out. Stop that all right anyways. So allow a lot of these people have made a living off of this stuff right. I think some of these individuals who i thought one twitter comment saying oh i had to. I spoke to multiple women throughout the whole ordeal and they these brave women approached me. They gave me all stories. And this was like A spit in the face to them on. I'm paraphrasing here. But she is like I like what who are you. You have a blue checkmark. And what did you actually do. What did you accomplish you. Click on their profile their. I've never heard of them and somehow involved in this is what's happening is people who are making careers that they've seen a whale and they see they saw an opportunity to make a career out of it. You know it's called riding the wave now and so what happens is that these people ended up becoming a famous for lack of better words to they become famous off of someone elses Dilemma samosas trauma or or experience and especially when it comes to relationships. It's so frigging different. If you got to know about my own relationship problems over the past year that kind of different that kind of stuff is so detailed it has so many different layers to it that we there's nobody can explain this anyone. It's when you get into the private lives of individuals. There's no one that can actually explain it a until those people those two people you have to get them in the room and how had them go to the world about it right. Yeah i'm just thinking about like just look at it from this perspective. They tried so hard to cancel. Umbro you just go away and to me. That's a testimony was work like it as a. Here's the thing. I put out as half of the people out there that were that. Were pissed off tweeting against him. You know like low key listening to lectures arabic and ideal. And here's the thing. Listen let's say hypothetically it did happen. I don't think it did i. I'm going gonna assume the good right. I mean apparently. I mean first of all we know you know what i want to say that i know what to say. It wasn't rape and it wasn't like sexual assault right. That's the thing we don't even know anything. Yeah it was just very big so if something did happen whatever maybe a missile that whatever whatever is does that mean that everything he's done is gone now that there's benefit in no money hon. I'm sorry i give you got. Here's the thing if there was something clearly illegal You know blatantly. Something that will be prosecuted by the government or something that was a complete Deviation from what what is considered appropriate then you know then that might be something to figure out but even that latter part what. I just mentioned. None of that has even been none. That so called. Evidence has been made available to the public. So it's all just been hearsay hypotheticals and business. Yeah clip betray the cat contrarian opinion Appeal your crowd because the expect mahinda prospects push back on shipping plus some liberals on twitter. You come on my show and like out here you out. You ran about me anyways. So i went back and listen to our own suffer. Show 'cause kind of so to me first of all when we talk about knack we're s. Been a few years. I'm always felt like he did something. But i was like you know we all but my mindset was like yo people anyways no no but but also he came down. It's not an issue. Because i'm like the implication is if you think he did nothing than implication is you have the council on the other side. Who either you know did i just did it. Feel when you balance like okay. So tell me how come what he asked for. A a neutral panel. It was only people from your seen in from from the other side. You know there's nobody else. It's one of the most two camps. What do you mean like a key wanted. Green scholars were nonbiased. Were not from these two points. And let's have a universal panel and they didn't bring anybody brought england madison and let me know who's working listening to. So i think so going back to the show seems like there was this whole narrative that as they have agreed to some firms that no mono kinda degreed some some council and he agreed to everything and it was going on for a few months and then he broke it. That's the whole point so what that doesn't really show me are the conflict. Hey you know what you should be careful on how it could take. You know a brother in the future. You should probably be more careful on how you people mistake things right okay. Neither their point was is that light. I guess the question people are raising is like so so so your you're take is. He had anything. I don't think he's anti what i'm saying is nothing that would be significant. Were and today. It's not is not said. Look we know when or was offers involved. There's no shade on him. He is admitted to this that he when he goes public. He's on this. Go public like this. He'll take it to the newspapers right. I'll take it to the washington post and the new york times and how come none of these papers ever took it seriously. Now what feeds now is not anyone can be posted. Something maybe posted. But the thing is this world By a muslim sheik. Anyway i mean when you when when places like washington post and not new york times they find out about these kinds of they love it up would jump on if they could if they found validity in this story if they found actual information that that could actually they they need a job. They're always looking for people visiting. Who can yeah. They want someone. Who can the diligence were shows that. Hey see muslims. They also have doing classic creepy. I don't think the story because the problem the narrative that was pushed by that the moms or the public narrative is an abuse issue. I don't think it was consensual. I think he got consent. They want to really happened. Nobody can clarify wants to. I think you'd probably get divorced looking for the chip pie. You said yeah. Hey calm down some happened. Maybe he saw somebody whatever the second wife. Whatever who cares in big. Louis bro right. I mean if it didn't work out something private if you didn't touch her beat her rape her in a business. How many of our had multiple multiple wives. And then nobody to. Here's the other thing too. You guys listen. I feel here's my problem with this all right if it's something that's so overwhelming so damning right you would just put it out there right and say look. This is a loss of issue to remember. But i'm saying you know lawsuit in the world can stop you from crying was not real crime. That's the whole point. Yeah so what they did was said. This is spiritual abuse right right. Let's maybe they might come to our favor. Until you have a platform on shaw and people listen to you. Spread your agreement people on the show spiritual spiritual abuses like emotional abuse between you know a husband and wife or who just had a divorce in the exa can accuse the other x of emotional abuse. He was an emotional abuser. And it's a very subjective. Right i people are asking a question. Do you think someone of a religious influence teaching islamic koran and arabic. If we if he if we assume i assume he fell short of banks but like martha was always like yo he had access to it. I probably would have to wait and here. Here's the thing. Listen he mainly teaching arabic right dry half georgetown university whatever and they. They don't ever do spectacular. Who's doing god knows behind. What right eric. Right i mean why are you so like gung ho about it and look beyond for a moment or more. Some critics are people like you know. Rob your children. Who used they. They're a whole podcast. Tired defenders a killer guy killed his korean gulf. Whatever chinese girlfriend and get him free and they're worried about a guy who was spiritually abusing somebody. You gave a whole platform to kill somebody. you're innocent. I will go ahead. Eight a law. The lives of law. You can tell you what you think. Uniform doesn't matter was convicted in the court of law and people will say oh grow no no listener thing. If you like is one time they keep throwing. It keeps getting rejected. The keep trying keep trying to guy. Guilty broza i mean. I hope he does because he killed the girl. Yeah he might be muslim. Memorize a crime. I don't care he's still a criminal imagined your daughter that he did that to. He added that dan. You worried about the same person's worried about giving a platform to harasser woman. You give her a platform to people who kill palestinians take their land. Why would you even talk about. Shut your mouth a whole girl. He might be muslim. Oop sorry. I think i clicked on our stream are we. Are you guys still there and you just click on different twin okay. I won't show took a out from on my show and we can talk with. Its own cross. I just okay. Yeah i mean look i had looking right and you can do whatever rabbitohs. I'm just saying you shouldn't be out there. People when you got something on the back on my he listen whilst that thing so i mean we talk. Let's say even if he did something. Yeah okay is there like i mean. Is he canceled forever now. No i don't think. I think that was my rep leading up to the show right When we were talking about it a month ago he came on we. We was pretty much like it's been a few years time to move on right. That's kind of my mindset. Was right i will. I will find interesting that when i when we promoted the show. 'cause we we didn't there wasn't a whole lot of push that we were promoting it three or four days in advance right of it all of a sudden after like again. Listen to people did like bureau some commentary. I think we're all those genuine people regular listeners. But many of them were dislike. We go out of the why you gave no money platform which that's another conversation by the way i don't understand this idea platforming people. It doesn't make any sense to me right. We can me get fit in a platform. Yeah only speaking and there were on twitter yes. The saudi yakub was on twitter. I didn't acknowledge anymore. So who who've explained the the view she was a girl. Oh that lady credentials to name already exist. I'm sorry saudi yet go broke down to have any real question. Sorry side citing have yet for saying yeah blasphemous against. I'm generally curious still Guinea works publish works that people can like read or pro spice about critical race. There yourself to solve something with with you can publish diarrhea. dude people who are she published author yet. I mean nowadays with with with with you know. Amazon and stuff anybody can be published. Look at homemade. Degenerates are on twitter with fifteen twenty thousand following and they haven't done anything or even call another. Show your thoughts on twitter. Whoever you gotta put the in the meantime put the generate a inviting bottom right. They're not leave studio and you can eat it. Throw that in the comments or you can put it in all right folks who are very upset and only folks who are upset. Okay call it. The first time caller. Look no if you really pissed off and you give it to me calling. I want to talk to you all in colored with what with your face. I want kim came. Just make sure that you're articulate and then you can express wide upset. Because i will. I will have this conversation with one lucky. So we put the link in the in. The floor is yours. You guys through the gauntlet now. We picked it up anytime and love there by the way. I'm made me of a neck with the labor is originated. It return of the neck are anyway. I think we might get in somebody. hold on. we'll see people on the side. Get him bringing it. That's i tweeted. I tweeted out before the show. All right we'll bring it senator what steps you can put it on the side. So let's put it on the side. Isn't it yeah. yeah well. Maybe senator at nan kabira really grinds me horror movies. You'll sit what's african forty. Yeah what's that anyone who lives the only. It's almost like no no want only over the with a lot of people to the only people that have come out of that are trying to show the girls they that they liked it the kind of guy that should have married but all right here yet but we'll know when let him you turn your phone off. I'm here in the little thing. Okay don't go ahead and do the ford it off to your pal. Who wants to see. This is the thing when you guys Flood our twitter issuing all kinds of What's it called condemnations and rebukes of all sorts of jesus i rebuke you the name i rebuke you in the name of the lower tarek jar shiny new. I didn't talk about this. Come on come on with your name. What's his daddy business. I don't know you call him. Daddy not just you bro. Yeah i mean. I know i suspect i would be that passionate up on right away. You got not come in not devices connect atom until that way in the. Aren't you go to tweet thing. And you. Talking about the yeah. Let's let's go to the yes we and oh it's all gone what happened so i gotta make the window bigger. I think that's why All right so let's hear notifications. Lots of ood are minimized. Sent you are you on twitter. Kunsi my dm's to two ladies that up for a second there would have been canceled. You know what otherwise. I would love to have chicoutimi mona showing so out there. Who has who has joined. Yeah who are up the of the law abdullah abdullah's in a jar. So can you ataman. This does wait. Wait wait remove this string okay could go to live. Desktop remove remove. Yeah and then bring gentlemen solid bella slow on our own. Say my first time on the show. I love the show earlier. Actually nobody's show. I've been offense or a number of years and goes Is something you can ask a question. A little bit unrelated to current sessions. That okay while we wait for other guest. Show go ahead. The question is what does it take. What are the components. And what your device on setting up something similar you know maybe another city in the us. Young muslims wanna get together create like a media studio and podcast which Go ahead more show. I think to be honest. i'll be honest. It's just a matter of actually. Just jumping in deepen like i mean a lot of people talk about these things but if you're really committed you just gonna start and i'll be honest to get. You can start with a lot of different things. You can have a huge cameron a great mike but you can do a budget. The point is i would say just get started. I mean drinking or the content is important. But i would say this. Make sure there are people who actually live. You can't just put a bunch of people in a room and decide that it can be great. We have to have a certain chemistry and personality. If you don't have it it doesn't matter. How much equipment have there. It doesn't matter right so make sure that people are going to do it for it. I think i may have told you before. Is that some people not everyone needs to start. Podcast is some people are really boring. So i wanted to be self aware and the creator should be understanding enough promote who because people have reached out to me for like. Hey can i be. your calls. Might have channel or like we'll reach out to us as a guest like i don't say hey. No you're i have. It's way you deflect it like but not everybody should be on radio. Some people that's true. They could contribute rewriting. They can do other with things. But i won't these as i won't start podcast but not everyone. Sooner for podcast. He brings up a group put point because the whole podcast market very saturated. And you really wanna make sure that what. What are you bringing new to the table. You know and What it's not just about but nowadays it's not just about you. What else are you all about like. You have anything else. Going on in your life are you. Are you a comedian. Are you a musician. Are you in other forms of entertainment. And you've built on that. That's why we're gonna have. Actually jeremy mcleod on the show. And i'm going to challenge him a little bit more on him kind of giving up on his podcasting effort because he had a huge following. It's got what subscribers on twitter or something and you kind of abandoned the effort on the podcasting world and i really think he showed continued it because it would have grown. He's very funny funny individual. We're going to have him on next week to make sure you guys tune in and listen to that episode For my what what we replace you hear him out. He's in north carolina. More so not can be bicoastal sneaky in anyways all right so increase isa sonic yet dot merger. All here comes as a total baker. White white knight. Extraordinaire dahmer slowly. How're you doing. Chronic repeat visitor or yeah hundred together. You don't think we have. I don't i don't think we have. Our our conversations have been reserved for for what's up voice notes back and forth atlantic. Stay in them. Not hundred started the effort related to yeah. We launched think bites at hundred you. Can you go ahead and give yourself a plug. Oh god okay so first of all. None of this was planned my. He knows how. I like to kind of Deal with i you all not hundred dollars. I give you guys my thoughts behind the scenes. Hundred eleven Even when the episode came out. I didn't put this stuff. I didn't i didn't wanna bring names into it because i feel like the general conversation is bigger than that. But i'm just saying this to say now it feels like jumping into plug. Something really. i was literally just text. you're not. He medical completely random. I just wanna make sure because brother wartime this effort for a long time. So yeah we We launched hunger in the middle of october hundred project. A team of volunteers have been working on since about october. Twenty eighteen I talked to a sim. I talked to you about it from a a while ago. Also getting your thoughts on a starting it up one nine hundred eleven but Yeah it's it's it's a a online publication and content platform for personal spiritual community development targeting primarily students as a college university students and young professionals and the focus is right now putting out child la read articles about once a month that relate to those topics of personal development spiritual development etc The idea there's a lot of beneficial content out there but for a lot of young muslims. It's not very accessible either. You have you know one side who maybe doesn't care about. Let's say stomach valley's tradition too much and then the other side. Maybe were so immersed in the tradition that sometimes it's a little bit disconnected from the reality of what people experience so hundred alavi idea. Is you know how do we bridge these things. And focus on the underlying Issues that we can tackle the barriers are growth and development that unshod luck and contribute to us you know growing and being able to both improve relations with china and you know the relationship with the world at large and so it's on dot org hundred. Lao we've released the first three articles a one of them's on Anxiety one of them's on personal narrative and one of them also addresses the issue of. How do we start talking about issues like racism when our talking points so often start from things like i don't see race even an awesome community or you know we're all muslims one ahmed cetera. And so we're trying to charlotte contribute meaningfully. And they are. The articles are meant to be short a concise read. That's called think bites short. Reads that get you thinking get you reflecting and the idea is that you you subscribe once you subscribe and get an email newsletter once a month and shot law and talk especially for young muslims people who Maybe they don't feel like they belong in. Maybe they feel like they don't really relate to a lot of content out there because a lot of our content starts with a lot of assumptions about what people already know what they practice what they believe in so you know. We want to kind of focus on on that foundation and shot la especially for people. Who are there at that point in their life where they say you know what i want to get better. I want to improve. Maybe they're not ready to sign up for a course or maybe they're not you know maybe they don't have helicopter or you know a an amendment their community that they can learn from so the idea is working with and let trusted individuals in our community and building up a from that point. Thank you for coming at the dark will next time when we're coming up on all he for this. No no. this is what i was saying. I like i message message. Maheen discount some of my thoughts on the conversation. I gave him my thoughts. And i give you guys as well kind of some of my thoughts on the previous episode. And i was texting him. Someone who's just like jump on the show. And i'm like that was not planned. I'm in the middle of working. All right we'll jump in. Because i mean if i think anything that's shoot this contention here so there's a couple of things i think early on at least in the episode you mentioned a story you said that one of the You said it was either a sister. Daddy irishness which i had to had said that that story. I don't believe it was either of them. I believe it was a different sister in a program in california. And i remember that lecture kind of got shared around a lot So unless one of them in aerated. I believe the original story wasn't from either of them so that was just a small correction on that. So yeah i also the. There's i i want. Avoid getting too much into specifics but one point that i want to say was When we're talking about kind of the critics of this this controversy One of you guys mentioned like oh. It was like yucky in and people that were coming out. Yeah way broader than just that even one of the names that you mentioned for example. Like doc doc dr ingrid mattson. She's not associated to my knowledge with either of those organizations. There's a lot of other people who are who are you who came out and spoke and not all of them are people who are Let's say like the social media social media trolls or the quote unquote liberals. There's a lot of other people who had things to say and granted a lot. A lot of people are friends with each other too and they have like a network of friendships. That i'm not saying that they they're organizing it and and using each other's friendships but i'm saying there's a mutual. I mean you're you're you're hinting that. That's for sure what what i'm saying. Is that the concept of interest. Wouldn't be admissible in any kind of salon. I have a question. Then if we are talking about you know the community to you know work together and collaborate et cetera. Are we saying. Then that because we work together towards tylenol dukla. We do all of that. That we can't also hold ourselves accountable. Not for not so legal things dot for one criminality. Inbal gone now. There's a so. Here's the thing i i really don't want to get into the specifics of was it abuse or criminal etc i want to move past that framing because i still have an issue with that i the the fundamental issue. I think that where we keep talking past is that our our leaders and the people who we choose let's say as muslim organizations and the muslim community to let's say give large platforms through right so we're talking about people who are getting get invited to conferences people get promoted etc. Are we saying that those people should only be held to the standard of what is what is on or what is legal. What is it legal. Are we gonna can. We acknowledge that muslim and the people who are voluntarily given and sometimes paid and sometimes promoted onto higher platforms that. There's an element that's may be greater than that. We should be striving for i. I think i think would he term spiritual abuse is not clearly defined the sharia and it needs to be something that is clearly defined so that we have muslims know what exactly that means. And when you throw around words like abuse that furthermore muddies the water and it it actually legitimises claims from people who have been legitimately abuse ended. Don't people ended up taking it seriously. So i think these. These words are very New and unique nation to the muslim community. And i think when you throw on that that kind of stuff. Recklessly people automatically assume things like rape or sexual assault. And so there's a need for us to to let's see let's say try to be clear and specific with our terminology to define our terms etc. There's no there's no disagreement that this is something that is important. But i want to bring it back to the question that i was asking. Can we first establish a baseline here of the conversation. People who are who are promoted initiative first of all what implying that someone has to have a higher degree or we expect more than the personnel representing on a platform and. that's i believe. I understand what you're coming from. By the way i just say something. I'm not implying that. I'm being very direct about that. I'm gonna be very directed to form. Yeah the problem with that. That's exactly what we have. When we put people on a platform we expect perfection. And when they fall and not not not not perfection. So gimme a second second. So i just wanna say something right. I'm saying this can. Let's let's say let's let's see if we agree right so if we're going to say that the let's say the the the practice and the way that the let's say that how close to perfection. Somebody is. I'm not talking about perfection here right. Let's establish baseline just people who are leaders people who let's say we're gonna put them in. The position of teaching slammed talking about a slam to thousands of people. The people who are invited to conferences the people who are promoted in that sense by the. I'm not talking about excommunication. I'm not saying i'm just saying one basic thing. Can we agree that the people who do that that it is reasonable for us as a community to expect greater of them then just baseline jalandhar on. That's all i'm saying so for example for example if somebody does something that maybe it's not clear how maybe something the gray area right or maybe talent but there is a context for it harmful or let's these types of issues things that matter to for example the way that's people talk people interact the example that we set. Can we agree that at least the people who were given those platforms is that faye air for people to say that we them or that we hope for them to try to be doing a little bit more than baseline helen. Hours of that. So first of all i actually when i argue that the criteria the criteria that if they're speaking about something they be an expert in that matter because look i'll you for example any major platform. You look at it right now. Any scholar you bring our find something controversial with them any one of them. You bring this matter subjectively. Whether it becomes the politics it comes to legal opinions. It comes to the personal behavior. It comes to who they're lying with even outside of the other shows or whatever you can find any especially in america. You can find a lot of that. So what does this measure now. I mean this is subjective. I inherited and we're very specific for example one might bring up almost man and say well you know. I don't like what he does off line with the people who associated with they use it. You know i don't like what. He does with his own comment on racism. You know. what can i say something. Let's move past a little bit behind. Move past the name calling or not name the name dropping etc. Let's just keep it right now. Based on the issue right. Let's just once or more. Let me finish. Let you talk for while we finished. My pointed anybody that you bring. There's going to be always some controversy around them and we'll never we're not. We're not just talking about controversy right. Let's be if somebody none of because the word controversy is really general so because there's some controversy for example that just about let's say somebody slipping up with the word and making mistake etc. There's controversies that are bigger than that. So not all controversies are equal. Just brushing like everybody has a controversy. That's not the point right so if we for example let's point the okay. So here's here's a question. I mentioned earlier in the show. This story were presented to multiple news outlets are around the country that and none of newark news outlets news outlets wade. La times the associated. With all these. I have. I have a question for ninety. Love jumping on wilson. Drama wilson. deatrich jimmy swaggart. They want people to not be used in. They want more muslims to be seen as just as worse as christians. You know so. I question if somebody let's say if there was an imam who didn't pray five times a day. Do you think the associated press is going to put out an article being. Can you believe that. This guy doesn't pray five times a day. No of course not. I don't know if did he threes. We didn't do anything my aunts were here. I didn't i didn't unplug. He's back he's back. I think he's back now. Feel must be no. I know we can't hear you wrote it. Apply connected franchi's lagging a little bit. So you're anyway. He's getting connected. Just keep on saying hello when when when we hear you global lagging way not enough. We can't hear you at all but Yeah so as he was talking about it and dead aren't any major. A lot of these major outlets have not been able to confirm any of these stories because all this stuff was presented to them. All mean here's my thing. I'm listening to them saying okay. So how's all of this relevant term to noman right. If there was something he did. That was planning clear than find out. Okay fine but i just don't feel like he is a strong case and say you know what we should be platform but so what. I think what the difference is trying to say that we be expect something from noman Or or anyone To be to be a living their life according to a certain standard right. I think that's what he's getting at that. He's saying that we need to expect more from them. We need to hold them accountable. But what was the actual evidence that was presented. This is my point if we're going to use an islamic. The evidence of higher standard should have a higher standard than culture has a quarter of social opinion. Yeah i mean. I mean if we're talking about standard right this get you before. I couldn't get my point but the point was well. Why are we using social standard like social media standards about you know who's guilty and who's innocent and use that to apply and a platform. There's people my twitter and was off without a shirt in front of some on. How do you. How do you know that wasn't his wife. No wait a minute. Perfect they said was nude. And there's a picture of him being nude roll out a couple of insurance cover. it was just. The top party could have been a second in the south honestly on facebook. That do i swim regularly. You guys know that right. yeah i was. I was chased out myself. Because i was about to put up on instagram. My picture of you know doing some laps on instagram. But i'm like. I don't know if the no fun league will come in. Blast me for showing my chest or something. I think he's back. We're gonna adamy. Oh yeah as i. I thought it was a government of glue which that's not garage though. That's where it says on here. Which at above the back at the street okay. Now i come about that. No idea what happened. You got invested better internet. No no no. No the one the middle. You just missed all right. They're not that. Oh my alright. So what was. I saying before. Suddenly can internet gateway. I think you trying to say that we should expect a higher standard of people. So what you made that point. I was gonna ask you this. Don't you think we should also have a higher standard of how we determine whether somebody's guilty or not. Okay so i want again. Determining guilt is a different issue. Right now i just want to say a basic baselines baseline thing right when it comes to our community and the controversial elements. Let's say that we're willing to quote unquote platform to promote etc. Nobody has a right first of all to a platform right. Nobody has a right just based on expertise that we're going to say okay. This person is an expert therefore they are deserved to be put in this position of being a role model etc also. There's a point that was alluded to earlier. That for example. Well what if this person all they do is like teach arabic or teach this piece that they can just keep on teaching their thing. We know that you know. In this case specifically for example you were talking about an individual who is expected in general. The the we're talking about quote unquote like cancelling platforming etcetera. It's because people are doing far more than just their their expertise. They're being placed in a position where they're vulnerable people that are gonna come to them and if somebody is being viewed as well they aren't handling the vulnerability of people in our community in a serious way. They're not going to give them the position anymore. It's not a. It's not saying that the person is forever cancelled their. You know excommunicated forever from the community. They have no place as as a believer there. Cafod or this or that. They should go to prison. Oh also the. I just remember when the point that i was mentioning right. You said While the these other media outlets they didn't talk about this thing so therefore it's not that serious. The reality is if they wouldn't put up put up for example an article talking about an imam who doesn't pray five times a day but you know what if it comes out that one of our quote unquote celebrity speakers or leaders etc that they don't pray five times a day no they shouldn't be given that platform if that's somehow something that became public because you are you talking to people about faith and religion etc and now everybody knows this is something that you don't you don't even follow what you say and so very hard. I think you of lost it there because we're similar saying that. This is a major controversy with the controversy. Orlan you know what. Jimmy swaggart is no matter what religion you are abusing someone in its church or mosque or synagogue is never okay no matter what religion you are and they would die for like that they do it to the rab heights. They do to priests they do. It's even mullah salim. If they love to show religion in a negative light and say religion leads to abuse. This is part of leftist liberal media. So they will do that no matter what mike sims point with that. If this was something were so damning will let there was allegations of abuse to it was actually something there. These investigative journalists have definitely brought to light the standards for abuse and how they defined abuse and how muslims define abuse might be different. And so i agree now that we're saying spiritual abuse now. I'm not arguing for that. Because i don't want to go into specifics. Is this person guilty or not. I'm not a but here's the thing. I'm not going to change in northridge rules darkness where you're not actually defining. What exactly is what. We're what we're defending because nobody actually knows. This is the whole problem with this whole back and forth between anyone. It's not just you or with us. No one was presented in annual adam body of evidence at saying. Hey this is why we're going to lynch this person. In the court of public opinion and the this we all collectively are canceling him so the quote unquote lynching collective count cancelling etcetera. I'm not we can't go into that. We need to go into it from basic level right. Which is people who are trusted in the community. So if somebody says was that we don't trust these individuals therefore we want our own personal judgment. That's a different issue because if you look at all of the names of the people behind the scenes if you actually asked about this and you know what all You know. I at least a few of you guys have access to some of the these people who are who are given this information behind the scenes who dealt with it behind the scenes. You can ask me like listen. You know according to your judgment anything lavigne's but but when they tell you yeah boundaries were crossed and yes. There were things that happened to serve apartment as you're not going to accept that because you want a personal portfolio of evidence that makes you say he's guilty. You're not gonna get that because this privacy involved. It's fair if someone is going to say this person should be. You should just distance yourself away from them because their criminal. I want to know what they committed. Otherwise it just it a criminal this show because they're thing our relationship matters ninety. It's criminal doesn't matter that because the problem with that. This is consensual. Fundamental parliament had if some other scholar decide. You know what. I don't like that person and i'm not gonna give you the evidence and i think people can slip up right. I'm not saying that. I'm not saying all scholars do that. But one scholar may use it. You know. I don't like that person. You don't need the evidence but trust me. He's a bad guy. Don't bring them up. Okay yeah if there's one random scholar who's saying that about random person that's that's that's one thing if you talk about okay. So here's a question then more if you're talking about the show you who are there in the community right. Who are there in a community where let's say a case of quote unquote abuse happened right. And they were approached privately and they then consulted with others and they said hey. This is what we know we at the end of the day. It's gonna there's a level of of us being able to say these people this group of people collectively if they've reached the conclusion that that that the boundaries have been crossed that means that this individual maybe should not be the same level of trust that he had before. That's very different than somebody reaching a criminal conclusions. Put him in prison benefit from the muslim community. Rally there's no toba for him. That's very different man wait. There's nobody wishes conclusion though. I'm nothing body. All we're saying there was okay for example. There's the muslim the muslim matters article. The had i believe. I think there were seven or eight signatories. Who would they said. We saw everything we talked. You talked to both sides. We reach the conclusion that that Boundaries were crossed their wing question why they predicted. Look at the information at us. Oh my god more. Wh who the heck are you to say. Suddenly i wanna see me. The victims came and they said. Here's a here's everything that the other side you're saying more more more. You're telling me you're telling me that you deserve to see the evidence you pearly. Hey i'm thinking if you want leave nobody's telling you say guilty burden what are you talking about. I'm not telling you to d platform. What now what are you asking for us. I'm not asking you for anything. I'm thinking what i'm saying. is. I'm saying if muslim oregon. I'm not so again. I don't wanna make this about him. Specific do people like neck. Okay when people look cases like this that happened and leaders groups of leaders who are trusted. Unless you're willing to say you just don't trust any of those people they're all corrupt etc but if we're going to say those leaders came out and they said hey there was something going on here. That was problematic. therefore we're not going to platform him in the same way therefore we're not going to give him the same Let's say privileges that were given before. That's a reasonable position to reach. Then if you say well. I don't agree with that. But everybody else in the community is going to defer to that then you have to accept the fact that people are going to be upset because there's a harm there because they're making their decisions based on people who have far more credibility on this than you so everyone else did not do. That's the problem there. There was a certain group of people that were invited. Now have a name sir ashley. Either we tomorrow. Pre altaf hussain imam one who mohammed and that madison. I'm sorry i don't know any of them. I don't trust them know them. Talking doesn't know any of them. I don't know if he doesn't apple around saying this me personally. If you and base in the history of some of these people that i know personally. I'm sorry i'm not. I'm not gonna take my face value. I want if you want need to take if you wanna take this at or a situation of the series. I want a diverse panel pm. Because unbiased begin your batson known feminist she. She's just these are people that support aminov buddha quality but she has okay so fruit man. This is not honest with you. We hold on to take an opinion if someone who is a pretty much no so first of all so hold up hold up. So you're you're making this one. I'm talking about hey listen. What are the standards that we set for the religious leaders that we platform. You're telling me you're telling me. Are you telling me that. I should take the opinion of fossil bro. This is just not reasonable would not. You're you're calling. Dr ingrid mattson names gotta ingrid mattson says. I'm not do this. It's her okay bro. Listen man this is okay. Let's let's move. Let's move of kostas for a second. How do you think this is how intelligent catch them. I'll tell you why. Why hotel to take someone as a credible evidence against somebody else and the ball. I never made that argument about any individual person saying they should be taken. The i'm saying i'm sitting. I'm struggling with some the case. And then he doesn't wanna talk. Generally i'm in no because i'm saying we have to agree. That people who are making the collective body people that you're asking forget this story you're taking your thinking if one of them you deem is not good if one of the good absolutely. If you're going to spend the whole body could be absolutely because they can take that person that wants some because all the people in that collectively are in agreement with that person they have some connection to them. I want his away from them a lot more. Here's a here's what i'm gonna say. Then right that's your position. Then you need to realize is that if the rest of the community doesn't share that opinion they're not gonna be happy with the mad mamelukes and therefore they will not be supporting and they will roast you guys and trashy guys on twitter whatever it is because they know we're at than what i give you credit for coming on and talking about right ninety nine percent of those people will not have the guts to come on and talk about it like you just said you know because they hide behind a keyboard and all they do is access to this right like i met you guys in person hundred. I know that you guys are brothers. Who you people have been with me. You know you've been good to me privately. Hundred and publicly love. No no. I know but i'm saying i know you. People people who know us the people who have watched the show. They know us like good friends because they're always welcome with with people who call out on twitter or whatever they know that they could very well have messaged me directly and said. Hey i need to present the alternative you. I disagree vehemently about you. Bringing so and so on the show. And i need to present the alternative you or whatever but to go on another route and air their grievances publicly but valid reasons for that right. Because i mean number one for example. I know that. I know that me going on. This means that there are people who are going to. Now come at me and attacked me and go after me being like. Oh you're liberal feminists bomb while you're you know but let me let me just real quick proposals. All right. i mean. I think he goes like very much a misread. What people actually care about the the majority of people who are going to see this going to be guys were were to be agreeing with you. And then they're going to come at me. I know that's a reality. Let me put out there. Anyone out there who disagree with them and agree with us. Don't go adam because he has the but but the thing is. I don't wanna make that about this but i'm saying what this is. Why this is your third year. Following is huge every two hundred hearts. Nobody do it like one. And what. So my my point on this right. Is there any numbers any whatever. That's not the point. The point is there are people who know that when they come out and talk about something like this they first of all. They don't know if they're gonna be welcomed or not second of all. They know that. I mean this is also like to some degree not an easy conversation to have like. I feel like we're still missing the point where i'm trying to make a point about. What are the standards that we have with leadership and you're coming at me with message mats and she's also this is. This is not how there's a lot of people who are not gonna give you one second just need to show this. Show this because this crazy you you put down. I'm not a scholar celebrity speaker. I'm a youth. Director gives occasional buzz if multiple women who attended my programs and came forward and said i was gaming them inappropriately for marriage. My mentors would have immediately. Shut me down and held me accountable. You don't have to verify where you got five hundred twenty nine following that tournament for two hundred twenty five two hundred twenty four nine hundred. You have a lot of french actor. I don't think it's it's not about. It's not about friends man. It's sorry we talk about having friends or all right. And there's a lot of people who agree with that not based on liking me or or you know it really just comes down to the fact that there's a lot of people who are upset about the fact that trust me aren't you know i really i. That's really not the point. That i wanna make the point breath set by even nine. I mean no came and say how do you bring fitna this. So so the the point that i wanna make and this is. I still feel like the conversation isn't going in that direction i really wanted to. I wanna make a key point. You're right which was and it goes back to. The that tweeted is the fact that when we have people in positions of leadership and they are. Let's say at the very least for example trusted. The people who a lot of people don't you don't have to trust them but a lot of people trust them. People who are more knowledgeable than you and i trust them and they said they determined that there was abuse quote unquote now. We consider debate. This and we can be like what does this mean. What does it entail. Should he be punished. Not why didn't we have all these conversations but fundamentally the message that you're sending when you platform somebody like this is that we believe that the allegations are not taken very seriously and what that does that sets the example that other people now no other people know you know what if i mean. The message that was sent was if you do something if you do something messed up and it comes up publicly and you have no defense for yourself. Just wait it out and a platform. Like madam looks will create excuses for you talk ten minutes or anyways alright so couple of things so you i i understand your message your but if the presupposition is more more coming from is that you're not convicted anything that's what i'm hearing right commitment anything. You're not convinced that he did enough anything anything at all. Okay yeah right. Nothing was presented worsening. Nothing was presented. Okay so so if if someone card tell you. And i were the moments of her show where i openly admitted it when we first heard about this when i first heard about it at to this day i think there was some shady business involved right. That's but but we don't but based on the evidence is ina. there's no. I think it was like yo we wanted to get down but i feel so gossipy man. I really don't like this is what was said on our show again. That doesn't shake. It feels gossip. I don't i don't want this to be about. Did this person do x. Or not. Because i don't think that's going before on episode eighty four. I said that when we first heard about this from from these people and by the way up more ninety. We'll have these so. Don't think that thing for as the comments it. But i trust the council but first of all okay so i will take the word of the council over some speculation. That knack didn't do anything. Okay i'm a view right so number one so so i agree with you that people have the right to be upset however the framing of it from that one of you is that when we get people who are not followers of madman looks who are not listeners who were jumping battling like robbie chowdhry that of course. That's just gonna muddle. It was honest particularly yourself. You've been on her show that i think it's fair to have a conversation about it right okay. So if they can in. Houston now. Because i think every time i talk he cut off. It's it's strange to me well. Listen here's been first of all the reason why we're talking about england national because that somewhere on the council forget about this or not. Let's say someone like that council who you're expecting me to believe. I'm sorry yes. I in my opinion. I don't take that it just my opinion and now if someone utah the whole council yeah so let me just finish my pointed. You mobilize put me so quickly if it's anybody else if somebody if you take the council to be legit don't bring platform but i honestly don't feel like they have any. Here's the thing. What is the definition of spiritual abuse. Can they say a man taking a second wife in the back of those first Spiritual abuse is that abuse. I i don't know what is the definition. I don't even know what the criteria is there simply telling me. Trust me even though. I brought all kinds of people in the past around me. I supported opinion. That are completely wild in the past brought people at least have supported. People have opinions. That are completely wild out there and you want me to say okay. Just trust you blindly. I'm sorry for me. I don't buy that so if somebody is if the feels comfortable with that. We're saint with having a council of people who have who may have associated people were questionable at entrust that and say okay now. I believe them if they want to rely on. That's their prerogative. I'm for me. I'm not gonna do that. That's all i'm trying to say atari. I understand what people are upset. You know what i'm saying. But i think that milo perspective of the guys before the show is that when he was coming on it's been few years was you know we're talking about arabic goran and i hope people can move on right asset lakes and some assets so people on a facebook post that some people are not getting be ready to move on if they were personally affected. I have friends who are related to the families and they were. They hit me up and i was like you know i get your man. I mean that's not but at the same time it's like the question about like i agree with more in the sense that we have no standard. There's nothing there's no formula. I guess the answer. You're looking at those standards directed. We i think we all sit met loose. Listen if we don't think we're a platform it all of says we're a platform. We're not getting paid for this. We got real day jobs. You know what. I'm saying like if we were like regained ben shapiro profiting profiting. We're no people who represent the muslim community. We represent initiative immunity right. We're just so. I don't think that i think is like i see what people are upset. You know and respect some things. I respect if they sign a say tweeted out. I respect her takes because she makes a point that we can't if we're going to on event dismiss councils would we expect and then we're if you'd like cherry picking so i agree with that. I think i'm would be consistent. I think the typing with that. Could i accept anything. no not. here's the thing donna none. None of the country is involved. All the different muslim communities within the country are not involved in making these councils. So who may. Who made these off do you take. It's not ad council on the thing. I'm curious do you take at this thing. It's no but other council this council. That did this right here. this So this council here involve missile lamont jess of saying ingrid mattson thomas gray that. I think it's diverse council. I if that's what coming forward also the fact that they're out to get he wasn't he didn't go on record on on record with anything people and that was part of my problem. Can i know he's base rate for the by his stuff. Okay so endow. I feel like no other major scholar consulted and david none on refused he. You know what this way too messy and this is wwe something that we are involved in because there's just way too much relationship related issues. Sure on this act in saw. Can i jump in here for second. Yeah okay so the focus again. I'm trying to make this. My criticism here is about what is the messing. The minimum puts up right. I'm not making i really. I can't. I'm trying to stress this as much as i can but i don't want this to be about my opinion on this specific situation and it is there's a lot of there's a lot of pieces involved. That are complicated to talk about what i wanna focus on right now is what is the messaging that was given from the maximum. Looks right and you can have an issue with that. But i think a lot of if you guys are upset about the criticism you need to understand what the message that was put out and it can't just be dismissed all these like people on twitter and You know these are just critics. Who have listened that. Because here's the reality of the situation you have. You padded yourself on the back at the end of that episode or at least one person did basically saying this was a real. This is authentic conversation. This is what we tried to do. Have authentic conversations. I don't know how you have an authentic conversation with the person who's been essentially gone from mainstream public platforms in north america and the community who was regularly the face of so many conferences and whatnot. And you don't mention once the reason why he was gone. Now we're not saying. Is he guilty as he not. But the fact that that that he shows up and there's nothing said about that no defense no understanding. It gives the implication that nothing actually happened and if our positions nothing actually happened what you need to realize is. That's not the opinion of people who actually saw a lot of the evidence. Now if you say well. I need to. You're talking to we. We weren't involved. We had this show called the doc on episode right before a few weeks before this all went down. We knew about these rumblings for a long time and we were practising them. Hey if you have something legitimate send it to us or or talk to us about it and this. This is a really vulnerable talk. You look if you're going to air it in social media and you're going to make a court of public opinion that he looked it doesn't matter there's a website out there d- all kinds of things took place that you know. Everyone denied responsibility for but we know what happened. We knew that the way the moment for went on facebook and you went on that all of a sudden. The website went up with a with a mile. John without a shirt or something and a bunch of what's at messages. That could have been in any under a under any context. No one even assumed that he may be talking to his own wife and again. so so. here's what i'm saying is like if you wanna take that opinion. If you wanna take that opinion that well not number you presented. Were you presented with the evidence. I have no involvement in this. I don't know how are you. How are you going after the han. When i go after nomadic on twitter. I just i never went after him as an individual never went after him as an individual. Because i don't. I'm not involved in this case and i do not want to be involved changed to the parameters in the i'm not changing. I'm i'm here's what i'm saying. I'm saying that there is. Let's talk about what the message that's sent out. The message is being sent out that there are serious accusations against an individual. They're serious accusations against them. He doesn't address them. He doesn't defend themselves from them. Adequately not take into consideration. Actually the accusations that came in you didn't defend them and he didn't admit guilty didn't admits he kept his silence for actually leading. Yeah he. He made the facebook post now. Which is that does kind of covers basis is. It doesn't not given all everything that came out defers blame and that doesn't actually own way. What was what was said in any way as we brought him on the show not. We didn't bring talk about that issue. We're talking about something completely us. It's like why would i talk about them. Bring it up like a relevant to what we're talking about thank you. So here's that's what that's what we're saying is like well. Is it relevant because somebody would say if somebody would say that. If we recognize that our community we have a huge problem of leaders. Who let me let me rephrase. I don't wanna see you trump. But we have a problem because somebody's gonna debate on is a huge. Is it not how big. I don't wanna go into that. But we have a problem of some leaders who abused their positions and who used their power to to to hide that and get away with. This is just something that happens and so somebody could say if that happens that is relevant thing to discuss especially when it's one of the most prominent faces in the muslim american community so somebody would say that if you think that's not relevant you're downplaying the seriousness of the accusations and the problem on the wider scale. That's the message that's being sent out and what's being told to other young people especially to young. I'm looking at like we know what happens. Sometimes with young men people who are who are in. Let's say man positions or they do that or whatever you know. Sometimes they will try people. Try to hold them accountable. And then people will say things like oh vine we need to see the evidence etcetera etcetera. And that's how they get away with this and so i'm not saying that concepts hustle von don't exist. I'm not saying that we the the court of public opinion is where all the stuff should happen. Absolutely not but what i am saying. Is you've just given a playbook to people which is if you've done something. Hide deny comeback and some people act like nothing happened. I'm not saying this is how he should have come back. This is how you should have addressed it. Undis- telling you the way that you guys currently did it. It contributes in my opinion to the normalization of of people. Not taking accountability for what they do or at least addressing things publicly and if you guys want the public if you guys believe that in order to reach an opinion everything should should. It should come publicly. I would say if you guys want to have an opinion on. What's the leader did. Then you should also ask for his views but you you don't have the details on both sides but you choose one of the sites when you brought one of them forward and acted like nothing happened. You took the side of one of no because we're not paying this at an issue. I mean just because you they someone out there not you may feel that ignoring what he may have been the past because the fact that brought him on and talk about it well. I'm sorry that she's in their head. I mean i know how is it in your head. Then who do you think. Do you think it's a relevant part of his public presence for the past few years. No you don't think it's relevant that he's no. He has not been platform. He had been years before he wasn't he was always a for. His appearance. Was the first in any podcast ever. That's my that's my point. So he's he's never come on any show south africa joe. He don't care. I just want an account if you want to say you've set precedence for how you know how he can. You can just do whatever and then come back later on and deny and come back and then everything we find what i would say if we if you did bring him on and we didn't completely ignored him. Worse than a precedent for basically anyone on social media can make a bunch of lies and and your career and that's not using new culture to talk speaker of us weren't you weren't you against cancel culture a few months ago when cancel culture became a trending topic on twitter. You're do writing to think of it. Saying cancel culture is wrong the way we cancelled club. People is incorrect in her. I mean i think the term cancel culture doesn't have a defined definition right so in some contexts. Yeah the term cancel culture cancel culture in sewing context where you want should cancel. No that's not. I never for them. What do you want. i'm not con. i'm not calling for anything except for except for one thing. If given that these allegations are there. I believe anybody anybody who has serious allegations like this against them where there have been trusted people who have said that this person is is. I'm not people supposed to say you know what everyone this was a green light to to the looks to say hey. Tm you're okay now to give now. Do you want me to say well my opinion. What what what what. What should be done okay. So in my opinion if trusted people in our community to tell us egregious things have been done and then the person who who this was said about does not acknowledge in any capacity does not do anything to actually validate that those claims were made or not to validate to. Let's say apologize. Correct them in any capacity exactly so he didn't even do that. Look you know. This isn't been handled in a court sealed documents and stuff that have been agreed on. What if i'm worried if i'm if i'm worried about how for me personally if any time i'm involved in any sort of community work or whatever it is i'm not going to bring somebody on if there are. If to my knowledge there are the are for example. Let's say they're serious claims that they have abused somebody etcetera etcetera or they have done these things and those are validated by child. Child abuse things again. I asked not the person who chooses. I'm not guilty or not. Okay okay okay. But but do you see what i'm saying. I'm saying if they're entrusted people what it comes down to we don't we. Don't trust the accusation. Papa reggae okay. So anyways so i agree with you. I think that people because the people do request you get like you get knack on. Are you going to talk about what's salacious. Stop if you're if you're having a real conversation you'd have to talk about that even if you're holding yourself to the maximum luke standards of authentic off sauce. I'll say this for. I didn't ask that. I bet if we ask them about walk on the stage. I don't think so before the show granting limited not no i i don't believe i i what transpired before i did want to crack a joke during the talk i wanted to say i want to address an elephant in the room and be quiet and then say what is that. What you're wearing on november. Wait a minute wait a minute you witness go show started i said. Hey listen is anything. That's off limits. And he said no and you had it yet armies very vocal he would have said. Listen i don't want to talk about that and and said but actually we didn't even start to show intending not to talk about it. Then we just didn't get into it and i even did crap joke about. Listen when the whole thing aren't you haven't we. We have a pakistan. Now the honest i think we understanding we were not gonna go there. I didn't have understanding. Why he he the saints joke. He's all about the look. I haven't looked undoing. Set it up. And he did not say anything about not tiny. Not saying the joke about the fact that when the half-and-half pact to become the dean and we talked about at all but it just we just never organically. We never got to that conversation. And it's probably because i didn't think it was a big deal plumbing. Hey look i just. You don't think it's a big deal. If sim sim for examples to protect your bro. But if for example somebody came out with serious accusations against him and scholars came out and trusted people. And somebody's gonna say well. These people aren't trusted. Listen maybe maybe you them aren't but i think it's a very bold. Let me finish more finish talking about an allegation and you only talk about two years ago. And then say hey. I'm not telling you to talk about it. I'm telling you how do you. How do you claim to have a real conversation with somebody like this and not talk about it. I'm saying you should talk. So we real conversation about what we wanted to talk about. Just because we do we cover. Every the man's life became a real conversation. I mean who was that. Pro every single happen. The man's life what i'm saying i'm not saying every single thing the no i'm saying thing broken mark look whatever something more. I don't know how you acting like this borough. Listen i'm telling you your your standard say. Well look if you didn't talk about that. You didn't work if you don't talk about the headlining thing. The headlining thing that has dominated a person's public presence in two years the thing that has led to them not having any sort of public presence outside of their own individual platforms in north america. If you're not gonna talk about that. I'm just settled. Relevant he has. He has clashed outside of his own platforms. I said this plenty of people who come out after the metoo movement and they've been platform by other interviews this not something. I pay attention to the pop star. He's just completely gone off. Yeah okay so so. By the way. I apologize to the listener for ascii am. I understanding i did not know can ask was on my posted and my nabil aziza softball interview and i was like depends on what angle you're looking for my facebook page and he that everyone wants to know about the elephant in the room bre and unlike el al. I know they're expecting that we'll be pleased that we can figure. Go gig out about stuff for the show though. No before the show. I'll locally why i put it up on on the promo card that hey we're we're don't expect juicy gossip. I talked liberalism. Or whatever. And i wanted to make sure that. Hey this is not what the subject matter is about so that. Don't come in with your hopes. I thinking that we're going to talk about. Ucla vacation Would address it. That's so so so the messaging that sent and you might say that this objective sure. But i'm saying the message that was sent to a lot of people and that's why there was controversy. After was that oh. We don't think occupations that serious because if they were that serious and we will talk about them because he has not just the people said that. The show yeah. I got a to genuine people go. Hey let's i love you guys do this new show and that's fine but i had people most of the people because most people that are probably show ninety nine percent identity yet. Grace show great show. Most people had poppy or people on a certain fatty. I'll and i could care less opinion. And that's ninety. Nine percent of people will reached out. Were completely happy with their loud group of certain individuals on twitter who just went bananas segment. They're popping up people. Listen to the podcast and making dot for killer who kill somebody and hoping gets free from prison and in supporting israel and the worry about this thing. I don't understand. Just i don't understand that like for me. I'm not saying you did that. But the people that. I saw how many think might think and they were mad. This these were the so called. Whoa people that were more than happy to endorse. May the people do all sorts of crazy things not even remotely close to what he's accused of doing and value support harasser. I'm sorry i don't take their opinions for me. I don't really see important now. If you if you have been i i respect your opinion. You're yet right. I promise happen and what time we didn't avoid it just didn't have many. Did i upon the rules. So here's here's one thing i want to say. This is kind of where. I'm coming from. Because i i just saw some of the people saying oh i wanna police people in this. What what. It comes down to for me in anything that i do. I'm trying to think of you know. What is the messaging that we're sending to young muslims. That's really the the number. One thing that i'm thinking about. Because that's that's what my work is. I end that's all. We talked about so again again. So can i just say something please. I a lot of irish. There are a lot of young. Nelson's a lot of young. Muslims who when this stuff happened reached out to me really really concerned like they really consider people who's like i don't like using the term but like some of them there was shaken and there's an issue there that we need to resolve etc. But let you know when it comes to maybe idolizing people and a and whatnot but There were a lot of people who are shaking up about this. And it's not about the about the original about the original allegations Because i haven't heard of a single individual left us. Well he's more my god. Let leaving a slam. And i'm talking about. I'm talking to young. Muslims who four like yo since then i used to listen to this and to that the since then i haven't i haven't been able to. I always think of that and like we can talk about the culture that contributed and how the news brough. Those are all secondary issues to me. Because i'm just thinking about. What are we doing for young muslims because those people that i'm talking to those people that i'm dealing with and we're not the only one by me and more. We talk at sunday school for three four years before wellesley years before metal mood starter. Get it so. I'm i'm i'm just happy so if i could just finish the point sheila so i'm just saying a lot of people were hurt by this stuff and this new. It permeated every house in every conversation. That's people made. These allegations without providing any proof is while i could just not do the both sides things for like one second. I'm i'm just talking about. I'm telling you where the criticism is from my perspective. I'm telling you. There are a lot of people who are by this understandably women men on on all sides you know. It's like when when you hear that somebody who you looked up to did this. And this and this it shakes a lot of people now. Some people their response was to say. I don't believe it not enough evidence etc the other side. They're like well. Is this really. That bad is it that they were in the middle and on on the other side. People that listen we should expect higher from from the people who look up to the response from the from the individual came down to essentially not engaging with the serious claims that were made kind of denying things brushing them off. You know a little true. That's not true. There's a little bit of context by shared his original statement. When it for one thing. It's not like i shared on on twitter. That people could kind of see what he had said so. I'm not here saying like i believe that. Nobody should really listen. that's not what. Let let me let me rephrase it. I apologize my phrasing with four. But what i'm saying is when they when the trusted and serious people came out and said this is what what has been done. We didn't get any apology. Didn't get any correction. And we didn't even get denial of those accusations. We didn't get those and so that didn't really mean i get your point where you're saying. Now now i'll tell you something so could lead finish the argument. Because i feel like i give half of my point and because i've had. I'm seeing lots of people multiple people in the shower. Like what is this guy even saying song. I'm trying to say what i'm saying. I'm saying they're serious people that they believe. And they're gonna they're gonna trust the the the the large numbers of people or let's say the several people who came up who in their view is tr- trusted and like this and this happened. Then they're seeing now that you know he stops getting invitations which therefore valid at some of those concerns. Then let's say the like now at least north america to my knowledge. The madame looks is the first platform with you know. Let's say let's say the regular many regular listeners. You guys have a lot of people who tune in mush lots about a lot of people who tune into yourself and so i'm saying when they tune in than they see that you guys. They're they're like oh wait. So does that mean. It wasn't a big deal and like and they're like but this seems like a big deal to us to get okay. You made this kind of redundant now you get the point so thank you very clear here. Okay anybody out there the mamelukes and you think we have authority. Give somebody a green light or not. We don't we just talked to people. Don't don't don't say because the mameluke bought a knack and now you should trust him anymore. Do your research. We only talk. We wanted to have a conversation with him. And that's the reason why. I now i'll tell you this now. Since talked about this. The reason why i didn't bring us up his two. I don't believe it's my business. Talk about a man's private since if he had cindy hatem that's probably and someone before they did it and i'm not gonna talk about. I'm not here to pick somebody sent out. Hey bro did you do that did you. Talk about it publicly. I'm not gonna do that. Look at if if there was something illegal like rape child abuse other kinds of abuse are considered illegal. Of course you know. I would cancel them. I would have been something definitely. That would have been out of who should be out of religious discourse shape. The you saw count those details that right right right there. It was talking about like details of like a penetrating hotel room kind of thing so abuse of actual harm like i mean that way listen. This is intolerable. I mean there's no bigger kid or what you like. i. I really don't like these. These details man coming up like even names. Just personally i come from. We can't escape out of the name because it's out there. Anyone alameda if sinn dot com controversy and he he touched somebody. I would say look. Maybe that cancel out accept it but it could ambiguous. Smu know what might you. But why are we put. Why are we putting ourselves in the position. The us as people who don't have the details of what happened. Why are we putting ourselves in the situation where we are functionally speaking giving verdict because if if if those claims are true if those claims are true then no you don't you don't bring somebody like that onto your platform and so when you bring them on you make it seem like those accusations are false and when a lot of other people were close. No you don't you don't agree with that. You don't agree that because someone can be guilty and still gonna show to hit what he did. You realize you're disclaimers and you seem like well. We're not endorsing. Those are all fine and dandy for the messaging that you say but that's not the message that people get because now. Do you think people believe that you know how many people message me and told my connec is back now. You think that people agreed that you think people think we agree with it knowing breath amman. No but you also treated them very differently than you treated. Staten on now. Listen maybe they did but did it. Didn't you guys didn't you guys who referred to them them so didn't you. Didn't you referred to them. For example this feminists when they said that they don't use that term for themselves. Their name is what is was it that the whole feminist who the guests on that. I don't know. I think he didn't like but thaddeus is she's too. She's part of that group. Pin being a part of the facebook group doesn't mean that you actually give yourself that time. Grew the reason why we invited. But i have a question. I have a question. Do you think that they identify fitness of the community. Like the way that that term i- somebody's gonna get get enough for the sending phenomenon. I don't know anything about that. I'm not endorsing would you agree to. It better than right now. I don't know man i'm not. I'm not interesting. I mean everyone keeps you. I don't know i don't know he. He's pushing back way more than he did. Let them. I think question. Shut me out. I want more. Let's make sure that you know we don't make them feel do you. Do you know how they feel about About about their trip when they came on. Do you know how they felt about it afterwards. And all she wants. You called the song with some scholars. I don't know man. This is like a to have a third when you come on our show. We have a audience. Where would they understand what is on. Scholarship is and if she wants to be considered an an scholarship. She thinks she wants me to put down in the episode description that she is in slavic scholar. That's just not going to happen because mo- our listeners of the metals understand islamic scholarship as show you. People have studied islam under in a month or so in some organized institution beckham not a georgetown. I'm sorry okay. So i i don't know how we got to this point in the conversation enough to have that but i remember i i said that. Do you think that we give a platform to fitna that. We agree with them on before he. But but i will. I will say this i will say this the you did you push back on some of the things that they said very minimally mckay. Have you calling them. You know okay so you had at least some pushback. What i'm saying is from the episode that you guys did with knack not you guys. Not pushback didn't even acknowledge the biggest elephant in the room that i've ever seen even acknowledged a subject matter of why about the man was very different about knack on okay but but the thing is right. You're saying that it's okay to for somebody. Who has these types of allegations against them. That have not been adequately corrected or resolve. You're saying it's okay to bring them on to talk about other things themselves allegations yet so hey okay so allegations that have been confirmed by people who actually by trusted people. You don't trust them. And here's the thing. I'm not saying. Okay so here's what i'm saying. We're not trying to convince you guys to do anything. What i'm saying is though. This is the perspective of some of the people who are upset and disappointed in the madman weeks using their platform. This way and the results of that is going to be people who previously supported you guys. Who gave you guys leeway now being like well no. It's not a good podcast. Shouldn't trust they shouldn't be taken seriously. And people are going to dismiss you guys. And what i'm saying is to dismiss us and in my opinion and in my opinion you guys have the potential to do a lot of and you guys have done this before. So what i'm just saying is when you held like this when he gets choose hills like this it's I think disappointing. No here's what here's the thing there's a there's a little culture that's been brewing in the muslim space. Where everyone forms this this This chain of people who have to necessarily agree with every single thing that that the other person. If i if i disagree with you now about bringing on someone on the show. You're ready to cancel us. You are or looked at what does cancel mean. Can we cancel me. You can't immediate. You're not gonna listen to us anymore. Right that's what you you know. You're saying this my wife are yours at we can stop listening to us. So we're we're gonna get cancelled. And that's okay. That's fine but no the hypocrisy in your own Discourse in in in in social media how in from one side of your mouth you say cancel culture is bad but from the other side of your mouth you say. Hey let's go ahead and cancel the looks or anyone who we think is a platform that is supporting someone. We don't necessarily agree with. That's what's happened. Because look i thought about. I gave it a lot of thought. Because i'm like what actually happened with knack. That made makes me not wanna bring him on was there. When i asked for evidence i talked to people who are directly involved in some of these important people that you're mentioning eric. I talked to them ice. I message them. He like he looked. Where's this evidence that you guys were coming out with presented to me so that you know if there is a predator in the community will go and talk about it will bring. It will make sure people address but nobody brought up anything. Yeah did he get disconnected. I'm disconnecting i'm moving. My hands around. No no he got disconnected. He's showing. He's interim beca similar so involved in the point. He didn't realize that. America disconnected consciously. Router cancelling no. But i guess. I'm look i think what he wanted us to say. I'm i'm understanding where he's coming from now. He wants us understand that people out there who are there are people out there who actually believe that something horrible happen and those people are upset that we brought him on the show and they're gonna cancel us. And i think what i can respond to is. Yeah we already do that like we're kind of okay as we as we wrap things up. Let's let's talk a little bit about Muslim pro wilson pro. Who actually cancelled that. I paid for that apps. I'm not cancelling. i never got mine. Doesn't pay that much. She doesn't use it yet. Pray you don't need at third. Did you cancel some pro. I didn't have downloaded you. Don't raider i use a different. I boss sound up at the sun. Knocked out that that was. That was a fun back and forth on twitter. I saw the so muslim pro to we. Cancel them. Can i not bring platform them and their creator because they've sold actual information about muslim but sh hang on the sold it to the defense department and we cancelled them. What a communist serious allegations have been made reached out to developer of muslim probed on the can i bring him on cancel. Can't can't. I'm not in a position to tell you what you can or you can't do it. What person what i personally would i personally bring somebody that on publicly know. What does she wants to defend themselves and say. Hey look i sold it to this company called. When there's a they were doing with the data they came to me with this name. Expo and now you've in fact to have also cancelled me. Dahmer so explai-. I don't i think the term canceling and cancel culture. And all these things. I do. I think that one of the ways that this term is used is to silence legitimate criticism. I'm not saying you guys are using that. But i think when people say you know cancels acoust- cancelling the minimum is is somebody stopping from being able to produce your show no but if your audience is upset with you i think there's a there's a legitimate opportunity there to learn to listen and say you know why are people upset. Now you might say it's not your audience in which case you know. Find keep keep doing your thing but i think you know when when these types of concerns come up. It's legitimately an opportunity to consider how your your work is appearing to people on the outside. And so i think you can sometimes say while this is canceling cancelled cetera. We can have all those debates. But i think the first place to start from. Is there actually something there in. Is there something about our messaging that we could improve that we could change and You know what is the message that we're sending out to people both in our group and outside of it you know because right now the message is not good that you guys have sent at least in my opinion that that's the way that i interpreted. Which was the these types of allegations are not serious enough the judges but while you got cut off i had said this been. You probably didn't hear When solve was going down myself and mine Happy mutual friend with giving us a lot is information to seduce Mine was i or was. I not fully immersed in this in the sense i hate. I was wanting to know what was going on. Give me the evidence and let we'll we'll presented. We'll we'll show if he sees the monster. You are presenting him as we will air to the public was. I was not completely Attempting with whatever resources. We have available to us within not doing that. That's accurate so i will look and after the whole story broke. I was still trying to present both sides like we had almost ron. But he didn't present anything he presented things are yvonne and we. It's difficult stuff man. Look look there are legal issues on this matter. And that's why i understood that. Hey this is why. No concrete really respond to any of this stuff. Because he's dealing with some of these issues in a legal ways The way that it should've happened in court. Not you know a theater public theatre where people are accusing him of having fifteen different women that he was making zena. He said nudes sure. Let's take you look. I think what we're resolved is tari by the way as far as our listeners. Go i would say that. You not been very frank with you last few days we would chattanooga dot. Org this is the background to this sogno. You know we talked about the show. He had a few remember. I told you. But i think the vast majority of this nurse. We're very positive about That's my gut feeling everyone in my so. Now you knock right. So you've got the ditch bucket. Also keep in mind. Our i think our listenership has evolved over the last four years. We started genero worm. Where's interesting we'll bring on kind of boring guests still find by like scroll back through but then we kind of ball because what happens. Is you get audience. You get feedback wanna hear. People were hitting the up. Let's get back on. We're like all right and talk about it. You don't ever be happy. But when the majority i enjoyed about criticism now is from people who are just haters. Who never miss listen to show. Some of them had podcast and he couldn't cut it. I know some of them. They they were over the next big podcast. they'd be like four episodes. There would be set up. They could but they don't understand they don't have four guys that can come through forty two. You know what i'm saying. Yeah the forty two. You gotta love what you're doing to keep some people so i think that's why it's like all right with art if art critique is easy out people are more now because he dismissed ingrid mattson. You know or know now. That's a new thing you can ride that for another. You can go my lifestyle me. Look and look i. It's a very difficult and i. It comes with the territory. I know a lot of people say. Don't you guys know how to take the kerr's yes we do. But don't don't don't be surprised when we bite back you don't take criticism and there's going to be people who make fun of mine or myself for whatever. Reasons must be asian low. Or anything like that. And see where. I'm half asian drag one guy this winter you. He said that. I sound like an aquar- inside an aquarium that look like a grape or something all kinds of negative story so wait ryan one of the crew out there. According to compete norm. I mean aside from my right alright. Crew is ingrid. Madison considered to be a scholar island. Donald duck grey is though nobody thinks ingrid considered to be like share high. You go up to a gift. England out that she is i think. She's more like an academic at dot com era. Grace caserta be a okay. I don't know if people okay. Okay so you got something. Yes so i i kinda wanted to bring it back to something. Which was the reason why some people are for example upset and they say things like you know. It's four brown guys or whatever for aging whatever the term was that the us is because i think we legitimately have an issue in the muslim community where people who commit a quote unquote abuse. Just because i know that's a broad term that would maybe we don't define it accurately every time or maybe it's unclear but we do have an issue in our community where the stuff isn't taken seriously. It's just not taking. I think that that side of it is far more prevalent than the side that overplays. It makes it more of a big deal. Okay and i just wanna quickly proper term for. It's called just unethical behavior. I think it's a similar to when a professional eighty his his student which has been commonplace throughout The decade hundreds of years of a in america in college. These professors have known to date. Did there or even marry their their students. So i'm i'm they're not saying i'm not saying it's it's acceptable. I'm just saying it's unethical. And it's not necessarily abuse. Okay so all. I'm saying right now. Is that given the fact that this is a real issue in our community. And it's an issue that is under disgust especially among men. I think even when you say for example you know your audience had no problem with it. I mean i would say that also points to an issue with the audience where maybe we have a. There's a bias there where we are. And i know i'm not like this isn't a popular thing to say on. The madman moves podcast. But i do think that we have an issue. Where anytime accusations like this come out. You know the first thing that we rather than kind of try to engage with seriously as you know maybe come out and say something like well the evidence to give us this and give us that. And i'm not saying that we should make people guilty immediately without evidence. That's not what i'm saying. But there's a difference between not taking a position versus bringing somebody onto the platform. Which in the eyes of many people is taking a position. And i know you could say you're not but in the eyes of many it is. It's it's it's the the position that you've taken. Is that these allegations are serious enough. And when we have these massive issues of allegations and like let's say people who are in positions of power or leadership dropping the ball when we know that. There's a prevalent thing and we know that the issue is that they're they're not taken seriously. There's there's a legitimate anger and frustration. That's gonna come out towards you guys because it's it's representative of something bigger we all. We have always since the beginning of the thing. We've always said take any kinds of abuse seriously presented to the to the proper authorities. Okay can i comment on present it to the proper authorities should took the look law enforcement so that is really difficult to do. Sometimes could we do that. There were multiple people. Why couldn't any single person take her to take into court where you see you see the nature of the conversation that we're having. We're we're criticizing how people dealt with a very difficult situation. And i get on a platform like this. Everything's free fall. We can talk about whatever. But what i'm saying is to people who can understand and relate to that abuse their those who people who know the people who are in those places that conversation is not that simple because there's emotions involved relationships involve maybe there was some never mind. I'm not going to go down. That i'm not gonna go down that road but go ahead finish up. I'll comment on why it feels like we're not giving this notice go ahead. Let's finish. Yeah so just to wrap up that point. my concern is still just. What's the message that's being sent publicly. I'm not saying you as actually did. Endorse a abuser. Or this or that. I don't know enough to say one hundred percent. Any details aren't any site but based on the people who who as a group. I'm not going to comment on any individual person based on the groups of people where they stood on this and how they feel about this and based on what i've heard from that context on the listen. I think the safest thing is not to bring somebody like this forward because if what they said is true the harm of that is greater than any benefit of bringing somebody like that on the harm of bringing somebody who might have done these things and that's not to say. They are excommunicated permanently forever. No toba and what if they did this. And what if it's a private. And that's not what i'm saying. It's the message that we deliver publicly. And i think that groups like the madman luke's and other platforms need to be mindful of the message that they send and how it's interpreted even if that's not what they intent i think explore. Why do pat legs exists. because there's a narrative insured people are concerned about. There's never a question about like why. What will the ladies. Why are women. Weren't he jab. Issues are not being addressed at all because in a row. Because you start you start by holding the person who is the the world famous religious leader you start with that person no cultural things. It's an entire parent on this. This this is why platinum the attraction traction because there's a silent majority it's almost like Trump that they are being blasted violent. Majority yeah yes can taken that. I'm gonna take this. I think i would listen to patiently will allow you to let me speak with a bit. The thing here is okay again. People are gonna think what they wanna think and it's totally up to them. They can think about them. Okay but the reality here is that what normally did these allegations and if anybody anyone like him forget him his name. Anyone like this okay. If it comes out this person did it. And it's a fact and it's been proven and we can verify this. I we have no problem coming out and saying people like this should not be allowed to be teaching and still be so much higher on our community man when you look at the standards that were held for leadership in the past. Let me finish so again. The other reason why. I feel like this is a non issue is because this happened like two years ago three years ago. Yeah three oh if he was at fresh off the team and we just totally ignore what happened. They had three years to resolve or cases. Pay whatever it is everything to resolve this. This is not something new and like. I don't think they haven't resolved it by now. The the resolve. It's definitely not going to be something either. Added gonna admit you or whatever may be whatever. The thing is without evidence. No one really has a position. This all right guys. We got brought a time. We gotta rap show thirteen. Thank you so much for for visiting. I have so much respect for you for coming in on the show because not many people have the same kind of Legacy hone is to take on three different hosts to address us in laos back and forth with us. Yeah well you kind of had minute helping. You hang. Took the bus trashing about radical. If you guys really what it comes down to to me is what's the message that we send and so i. I'm sure have good intentions. But i think we need to be mindful of the idea that we're trying to like well. Yeah young person. Don't let anything to me to do. Exactly the opposite of what i say. No how how that guy follow person. 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Episode #048  Sloppy Fields and Tommys Headache

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Episode #048 Sloppy Fields and Tommys Headache

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And it's definitely it was awesome. I event and it's only going to get better. I'm so excited to do it again. We're going to do for the spring game and we're trying to figure out if we're we're GONNA do it for every home game or select home games next fall De GonNa look at doing some remote tailgates some away games and then we're eventually eventually going to expand into some other other schools. Because I know this is a you know. We have a national listener base. And if we learned one thing Saturday we can put on a decent party but I do want to thank Buckeye Vodka who ran out of Buckeye Vodka. We had to go make a run. So people loved their Buckeye Vodka and then north I- Brewing Company in Rhode Brewery for providing beer and then giant eagle. The food was outstanding giant eagle shade on the canal the wings were ridiculous and then also reverie tavern who made the most ridiculous cheesy potatoes `tatoes and then Nashville hot chicken dip or something like that and then catching daily for the awesome desserts. It was a ridiculous spread. I think the people did a great job trying to keep the food as warm as as possible considering how cold it was and But anyways it was a great great event and really fired up about it and thank you thankful for everyone. The showed up at awesome conversation loved interacting with everyone. And if you didn't didn't catch it makes you come check out the one at the spring game and We're GONNA look into doing maybe one for a bowl game or big ten championship or something anyways just wanted to get that out of the way and really thank everyone for coming and if you missed it come check it out but Let's get to the show right or do you do what everybody else does. Create some shit on the wall and see what sticks Sir what I see where we added citing on forty when my time on earth is gone at my activities activities here are fast I want. They bury the upside down like critics been kissed by. Well go to episode forty eight minutes to sports really fired up about this episode is really all four episodes this week. We have some awesome. Some stuff we're going to break down. Ohio State Penn state in this episode Talk a little bit about that game kind. Of what what I saw when I watched it yesterday and then also in the next couple website ruined. We're GONNA do an entire episode centered around the game the greatest rivalry and all sport and we have some awesome guest coming on for that episode. So make sure you stay stay tuned in and look out for that one. It's going to be one of my favorite episodes. I think we've ever done really excited about it. But let's talk about some of the current events. The most I guess. HILARIOUS current event was Tom Herman. Getting his team Jack Up headbutting. The shit out one of his de tackles or something like that and get I am fired up to take a twenty four to ten gray ass whooping at the courtesy of the Baylor bears. Wow was that embarrassing so funny story worry about that Tom. Herman used to do that. Every before. Every game at Ohio state and I was in the locker room and it was It was his way to kind of put himself at center stage and make a spectacle of himself. Ah had used the headbutts. Korey Lindsey our center and he. He just worked down the line of who we would head butt and it was funny because Mike rebel are in two thousand twelve was like after I saw it. He was like this talking to me in a side conversation he was like. That's some soft shit like you WanNa be a real tough guy like you. Don't position the helmet perfectly and hit the plastic with your head so that it's like it doesn't hurt you. He was like you want to be a real tough guy. You grab the facemask slam face. I just laugh so hard. And then before the Michigan game a AH variable was so amped I mean so jacked and ready for the game. Tom Did his cute little headbutt thing and variable push that you pussy. Here's how you fucking do it and grab grab Corey. Lansley by the face mask and headbutted the shit out of his face mask. I mean his head instantly burst open blood everywhere. If you look go back and look at the pictures. Rachel had abandoned end a bandage on his head. The whole game because he he screwed himself up bad but I just thought it was so funny seeing that charade that Tom Herman did before the game and the watching I'm just get their ass handed to him and it it begs the question like at what point are Texas faithful to get real sick and tired of Tom. Herman I think they are already and Anything that I can do to help push that movement along because he's an absolute clown of a person and he was a good football coach. I don't know what the problem is. I mean he's relying on that. Tim Beck offense or really the the Tom. Herman offensive. Just run the quarterback throws Shitty shitty pass plays and hope for the best and run trick plays every now and then catch them off guard. But it's definitely a bad time to be a Texas Longhorn and I read a funny of funny insider message board deal about a big time. Prominent boosters posters trying to raise the funds because he thinks that he can get urban Meyer to come to Texas and I was like. Oh my God here we go. Florida state Texas USC the Notre Dame they're talking about they might fire. Brian Kelly for Urban Meyer. Meyer might catch five bodies this off season people trying to fire their coach to try to get him and and ultimately I. I don't think it's going to happen and I was asked that at the tailgate. A number of times like do you think urban actually comes back and coach coaches again and and I know on a pre we season I said I think he would. I thought I had some insider info about the job and I do. I think he would have flirted with that job. He would've I thought about taking that job problem being and here's why. I think that he needs that fix. He needs that Adrenalin. He needs that competition. He he's he's he's insane in a good way he's that competitive and I really think that he's getting that fixed right now. You Watch him the pre-game or before for the game when they had fox big noon kickoff had outdoor setup. I mean they're really going after Game Day right now in in and I saw that spark when he was talking about his show being there there and he said the big ten networks here that other shows here and then Fox big noon kickoff. Is We set up right outside the art back. He wouldn't even say their name like there. The rivalry it's like that's it's the new. This is new fix is he goes on the show and he wants to just go after. ESPN and that's what he's doing right now he he is going after. ESPN and I don't think he gets back and coaching. Because I think think he's getting the adrenaline rush right now kicking. ESPN'S ASS and he loves it he loves it. So that's what I see. That's what I see in his future. I don't think he gets into coaching so hopefully flee healthy too. Many coaches don't fired in the pursuit of urban because I think urban is now a TV personality an analyst. He is no longer going to be a football coach. Another weird thing that came up. I don't know if people saw this. But Larry Johnson the D. Line coach state. His son tweeted out. One thing I do hate is my talented then. Gifted father wasting his talents for Ryan. Day without my father. He would be another sharecropper there will come a time where my father knows. He's an Israelite that's bizarre to say. The least I one thing I would tell you is Larry. Johnson is extremely. How's it one of the best coaches in the country? That's such an odd thing to tweet I did. He's a Penn State Grad. Maybe it was mad at his dad helped beat Penn state or something but His father's an Israelite He. If you WANNA follow him he has some bizarre Kazaa tweets sometimes and I think he tries to be like really woke but really interesting to go after his dad. His Dad's career choices. I mean he he props his dad add up says he's talented and gifted. I don't think it's a shot at his dad but I think his dad could leave if he wanted to. I don't think he's wasting his talents for Ryan and I certainly don't. I think Ryan would be another sharecropper not really sure what that means. But I don't think that Larry Johnson is the reason Ryan as having success. I think he's obviously an asset. But the trust me Greg. Madison's a phenomenal defensive line coach. If Larry was not to be there someone else could get chase young to play really well. That's a discount will Larry Larry's the best in the business but but I just thought that was really bizarre one other thing I want to talk about before we get to the house. They Penn state game was just. I was reflecting on Sunday. Just after after watching the game and watching some of those players just Chris Alavi making big plays K J hill making big plays and watching some kids yesterday the NFL. Like Terry McClure made a huge catch on third and five from Dwayne Haskins to set up the game winning field goal for for the redskins and it got me thinking about recruiting and just our our crews worked what it was like to recruit those kids. And what you really look for in recruiting in my experience my experiences you you want want to get players that that love to grind and all those kids I just mentioned they love to grind. I think about my experience with guys like Paris. Campbell Terry maclaurin in Austin Mac. Chris Alavi all very underrated recruits and I loved it because I evaluated them. I saw the talent there and I saw that. These recruiting services were missing missing on them. I mean Austin Mac we we ended up getting bumped in recruiting because he committed to a so early and we really push these services to help get him in the army game and all this other stuff so that does happen case people were wondering but those kids they had that non unranked under ranked or or under recruited did or or underrated. No bullshit attitude of just go to work screw everything else just go to work just grind just work and those kids became look at Terry maclaurin. He's the best rookie receiver in the NFL. And this kid was sitting in urban Meyer's often office. He came to camp. I loved him. Urban didn't watch watch him. We we came into our meeting. I think I mentioned before I told urban I wanted to offer him and he almost fired me. He was like what who that. There's no kid out. There's no receiver out there the complaint Ohio State. What's wrong with you? Anyone after me and I was a coach. I'm telling you this kid is has a chance to be really good. He's raw it's GonNa take some work but he has. He has a chance and he can really run and he's a great kid I can. I mean I got to know him. I could tell he was a hard worker. That's what coaches want. If you recruit if you know a recruit or if you even ever talked to a recruit a high school kid you're just grind just grind love the game be passionate about the game commit to the game. I even think about really highly recruited kids that had that mentality the bosses Garrett Wilson Ray Kwan McMillan jalen homes to Raj Mitchell will be on a great player at Ohio state in the future. Those kids are committed to the grind. They don't believe all the hype and Bullshit. They don't transfer six times in in Flip Schools Twenty Times. It doesn't happen because they get it. They know that recruiting rankings and stars and all that it's cool and on you and you need to enjoy but you need to grind commit because I five stars. I've seen just be average players and they were so talented. Compare that to the three stars that I am not just me. Other coaches have had identified and said man. This kid is a grinder he league. He's got that it factor. He loves football. He's GonNa work and they they end up leaving a first round draft pick a great player. Whatever like J. T. Barrett isn't great example? Very under recruited underrated. One of the better better quarterbacks in the history of Pasta I mean. That's what coaches want. That's what coaches look for grinders. They love the game of football and are going to commit to becoming a great player. Because I don't care who you are. You're not going to be a great player. In this you commit to maximizing yourself and some of these kids. I'm washing their house. And that's how does better than anyone. I think. Ohio State Alabama. They maximize their players. That ain't clemson talented players. I don't think they maximize their players like Ohio state. It does like Alabama. Does I really don't in so I had to get that off my chest a little little recruiting rant to start the day because I think it's so important for people to I know people to hear those kids grind. Michael Thomas was three star. Receiver out of. La Didn't offer any California schools. Ohio state. Before I got there. They signed him and they put him in prep school because they didn't think they thought he was more of a project but he came in and grinded. I mean grinded worked. He worked harder than any player of ever seen. And now you watch him. He's the best receiver in the national. Football League. Just signed a contract for one hundred million dollars. Think about that. Did he went from three star to the best at what he does why because he worked and he committed to maximising himself if I asked him to do something he did more than I asked him to do. In every respect of coaching if I asked him to go hard he went to hard. If I asked I mean it was it's funny because Jeff Ireland was I think he's the player personnel guy for the saints. or he was he said Sean Payton they both were at our office and they said Michael. Thomas goes so hard and walk throughs. They often don't put them in because they get in trouble. It's like a practice. One Time Sean Payton said he went up to simulate press man and Michael. Thomas almost threw him on the ground almost broke his arm. Because he's that intense and I just think about how that applies to all walks of life like if you have a profession if you have a career and you apply that same mentality like I wanNA maximize myself in my profession. I WanNa work harder than anyone else in. The world works at my profession. How successful would you be? That's what I'm trying to do right now. I'm trying to apply it to to business and entrepreneurship. I'm trying to apply that Michael Thomas Mentality to it like I'm going to go so hard at this podcast or this platform or the other businesses that I'm a part of. I'm GonNa go so hard at that that I have to succeed. I can't feel if you if you put that much investment into it all right enough of my rant. I just had a had to talk about that because I just really I mean I'm just watching some of these kids making millions of dollars and it's like that is so earned you don't realize it. They earned that money and they're just realizing their dreams because of the work they put in But anyway let let's. Let's get this Ohio state. Penn state game Go quick break From one of our sponsors I get a message. Let's you know about one of our supporters and then we'll dive into the Penn state game right back after this breaking news this important. 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Ten matchup big big win for the Buckeyes and it really have to really two game season left gotTa beat the team up north in this rivalry game this weekend and then win the big ten and then they're off to play off land but it was oh man was in an awesome game and it was exactly what I thought it would be. I said in the pre show the whole tailgate I was people. Were asking what I thought and it was. My message has always been the same the in that game. If they turn the ball over it would be closer than it should have been. And that's exactly what happened. Three turnovers Kept Penn state in it and then it really shitty third corner quarter three series really a seventeen point run and then also there in a dogfight still win by eleven but it was cold cold. It wasn't too bad it was a little chilly. And they're just the light rain. It wasn't like downpour but it was a light rain and everyone outside. Uh Not our tailgate. We recovered but like the Varsity club and everyone walking down the street. They're just drenched. Even though it was a light rain it was a consistent light rain and so it was. It was rough. It was a rough atmosphere. That is been those atmospheres have been Ohio state in the ass so many times that just if I'm a Buckeye Fan. I'm thankful that it didn't happen again. But here's the stat. You need to know everyone talked about it at the tailgate. Everyone knows my passion it is. I think it's one hundred percent of the year if you win the tackle battle you win the game period point blank game over so here it is Ohio state. Seven missed tackles on the day in the rain. That's excellent. I mean it's harder to bring guys down. People are slippery. Seven tackles that's it. The Penn state thirteen missed tackles its undefeated ladies and gentlemen undefeated Penn.. State missed more tackles than Ohio State State Ohio state wins. I mean I could stop there. I think from now on when I analyze game. I'm just GONNA do missed tackles and then shut the show off. Shut it off. What else matters and you know it was really impressive? I mentioned the pre-game Show Penn State had twice as many jobs are more than twice as many drops into Ohio state. Caja Hamblur had as many drops as Ohio. Ohio State's team as a whole pets only had one drop ball in the entire game in Ohio state only had two and in the rain that three drops a B- between both teams. That's impressive. I mean what a great job. AH BY BRIAN. heartline in the Penn state staff. We're getting there guys ready to catch wet balls granted. Neither team threw the ball a lot. So that probably played into it a little bit but this is an outstanding receiving effort across the board. And here's what this was. This was an eleven point win against a top ten team after coughing up the ball all three times. Ten points off those turnovers and one and the other turnover negating a touchdown as field just a field goal in the end zone. That is a self inflicted seventeen point disadvantage and still a double digit win in reality. This should have been minimally a three touchdown win and I think my analysis before the game was if they don't turn the ball over and if it's if it's nice out this is a twenty one point victory for Ohio state and that's exactly what it was. That's how they played after jumping out to a twenty one hundred lead needle. How state shot themselves in the foot over and over and over and allowed Penn state to crawl back in the game going on a seventeen point? Run in the third quarter just took four minutes four minutes off the game clock in seventeen points on the board just like that it was unbelievable. And here's what's crazy. I've been in games like that. We're we're someone just I mean hits a crazy stride hits momentum you shoot it yourself in the foot a couple of times and all of a sudden you're like shit man we're in a game now and we'll momentum shifts like this. I used to tell my guys all the time. Somebody has to make a play flay not just a play a big play. One of those plays that completely stops their momentum flips the script and gets that train rolling back in your direction. Somebody has to do it. Somebody has to ignite the match to light the fire and I used to challenge. WHO's IT GONNA be? Which one do you want to win the game so bad that you're going to be the one that changes this entire momentum's shift and on Saturday that someone was true? Sophomore Chris Alavi making a ridiculous contested catch catch in the right corner of the end zone. That was the play of the game. You can talk about any other play but that play the late throw by Justin fields to make an open. Open Chris Alavi tested covered crystal ave and for him to climb the ladder. Go Up and make that play. That was the play the game that play shifted back momentum and Got Ohio state back on track. It was everything it was the entire game. One play you WanNa talk about a performance ornaments. Though that Ohio state defense was suffocating. The first half was one of the finest half's of defensive football that I've seen Penn State had ten yards rushing shing and three yards passing at half three yards passing and ten yards rushing. It's ridiculous what this defense did at the end of the game. Under one hundred yards rushing two point seven five yards per rush five sacks thirty five percent on third and fourth down complete dominance imminence John Clifford before you got knocked out of the game in the third quarter. He threw the ball over ten yards twice two times over ten yards. That is defensive. Football right there. He was one for two over ten yards. Everything was short. That is insane. The lowest graded offensive player on Penn.. State was John Clifford thirty three percent. I think that's the lowest I've seen from a starter all year. Let alone the quarterback really bad the point where when Clifford went out of the game. We'll we'll leave us comes in and provided a spark and threw up seventeen points for well. How state was able to handle anything? Get their hands on it. After the Game James James Franklin even said Clifford Coulda went back in the game but they made the decision to keep him on the sideline to try to provide a spark. That's a hell of a risk and a hell of a task to ask for your first time playing significant minutes. Be It on the road against the number two team and the absolute best this defense in the country half on will see what you got. But let's talk about the silver bullet defense the highest graded player on defense and this. This one made me so happy for a kid because this kid is awesome. Awesome kid a talented kid. And he's been through so much injury adversity. The the highest rated player on defense was Justin Hilliard. Now you only played seven snaps on defense seven but he had one of the biggest plays in really the the game aim sealing interception at the end. He graded out ninety five percent on seven snaps. It's not a huge impact but to be in seven snaps great out that high and make that definitive played played. End The game. Just so so happy for Justin Hilliard and then the second highest grade the Comeback Kid back. He's back the Predator chase young ninety percent great out he played dominant man. He played dominant. They could not block him. They had to hold him. I mean tackle him they were just. I mean it got to the point where I felt bad for the line. They weren't throwing flags when he was getting just absolutely molested. Because I guess they just felt like what are you what are you. What do you want? The tackled tackled. Do they can't block that kid. The Best Series on defense that I saw after watching it was after just fields fumble thinking about it up by seven. Penn endstate trotted on the field with a fourteen point run and all the momentum lining up in Ohio states thirty-five sudden change so we talk about critical down to distances sudden and change. That is the critical defense on. Third Down can you get teams off the field in sudden change. Can you blow up. And and and not let a team score after a turnover after a long punt. Return after something like that with that defense did on that drive was just demoralized pen stay. I stopped their momentum on offense right then and there. The defense noted up only allowed eleven yards on eight plays ending the drive on chase young. Jay Sean Cornell's sack. And they had to kick a field goal. It took all momentum that Penn State had all the wind out of their sails gone. It was the most critical defensive series of the season and and they boat up now. We'll say this. I've heard a number of people calling Pete Warner reliability and coverage and. I don't think people realize what he did in this game and I didn't. Ah at the tailgate. I didn't I I watched the game but you know I was in conversation. It was hard to really see what was going on. I saw some replays into here and there so I had to go back and really watched the film yesterday. And and I don't think people realize what Pete Warner was asked to do. The defensive staff locked him up on Pat Fryer move. Who's one of the better tight ends in the country? Country and Penn State's game plan was to try to take advantage of that matchup and that matchup went. Pete Warner's way more than it didn't Pete was in coverage twenty eight snaps targeted. Ten Times only allowed six catches for forty yards. He finished that they would nine tackles and an assist. I think Pete Warner might be the player of the game but he's up there. He played excellent. I mean they flex a tight end out and try to get one on one with with WH- against Pete Warner that was her game plan get this liability and coverage and attack him and it didn't work. That was their entire game plan for Penn State. Get isolation's on Pete Warner an attack him with their tight end. It did not work. Pete was ready and he played exceptional. When you get targeted in a game plan like that you're going to give up a player to but six catches forty eight yards on the entire day twenty-eight snaps and coverage he played really well? I mean granted. He could've played better. He could allow zero or three a year four but I think he played extremely well overall. I think the defense was lights out. I think sometimes when People Watch football games they see like a completed needed passes like a complete failure. And there's someone to blame like Maliki Harrison twenty aches snaps and coverage he was targeted and coverage. Four times for four catches people would say man that's awful. He didn't play well on those four catches penn state got six total yards. That's exceptional that's excellent and look at the secondary play decent Damon Ornette. Had I feel like he he talks. Sometimes it distracts him from being a good player but as zero catches on three targets. It was a great job Okuda lead up at two catches that I remember for minimal yard. I think it was thirty. Two yards total The guy that really played well to me was Jordan Fuller though Jordan Fuller played extremely. Well just managing the middle of the field. He didn't do a lot. I mean they didn't get targeted it in in the past game. He only had two tackles which is really a testament to the front seven. The ball did never get to him but I think he did a great job of just just being the general running the defense. From that post safety position it was excellent The defense align as always played phenomenal. Jay Sean Cornell is a stud and people continue to under appreciate him he was dominant. BB Landers was excellent in the middle. And then obviously chase young was was a freak off the edge and really played well was barren browning bear and Brian. Healy had. Yeah I think what the hit three quarterback pressures he had four or five tackles Even but he was ridiculous. I mean make place in the Backfield I know he lost a shoe on one and did a little crawl afterwards really intimidating. But I think the guy that I've really didn't feel an impact from was tyreek Smith and he he could've played better. They need him to play. Better they need need. They need that other defensive position to be really good to free up chase young otherwise all attention already going to go to him but they need that other defensive even save an position to to take over if people are doubling chipping and doing all this stuff all this attention on the best player in college football. The other side has to get off has to Zach Harrison. I need they need more production out of these other defensive end. I didn't think they played bad but I think they could have done done a better job. Needless to say but the defense was excellent. I mean you give up under hundred yards rushing and get after the quarterback like that and really outside of four minutes they played complete. Dominant it football and the offense really put in bad field position on some of those turnovers. Just really can't do that to your defense but all in all great defensive performance Want to flip it to the other side of the ball Talk about a little bit of Ohio. State's offense Penn State's defense kind of how that went but real quick. We'll take a break and be right back after this this. Are you tired of paying your book every weekend because your lock of the week is as reliable as a Jim Harbaugh game plan. 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Jk had a decent day. We'll get into that in a minute but justin fields. I think it was a tale of two Justin Jason Fields Really. It was by far his worst performance of the year by far his lowest grade of the season at fifty eight percent. He fumbled the ball three times. Only we lost two of them. But you can't fumble the ball once let alone three times and especially when you're going in the end zone like if you fumble the ball on the fifty it's like all right. We just gotTa go play defense. We were you know we might upon it anyways but as you're going in the end zone that's when you gotta come say clench the ball tighter. 'cause you always need hold it tight but you can't do that. That's seven points off the board on on just a lapse in decision making and how to hold the football you when you watch a guy carrying the football that it needs to be tied to his body. His elbow locked down to his body. As you say wrist above elbow or we say chin-chin the point to the sky. The minute that point gets lower. You see that arm dropped down a little bit. That's when it's easy to knock the ball out especially when it's wet so the ball security by Justin feels when he was running was terrible terrible in the pocket. Three fumbles can't do it. Sixteen to twenty two hundred eighty eight yards in two touchdowns to four on deep balls. He threw the ball really well especially considering the elements. They just didn't ask him to do a lot. He threw the ball. Seventy three percent completion. Eighty two percent comp- adjusted completion percentage with two drops but Ryan. I didn't ask him to do much with his arm. Simply the most interesting thing he did was run him and ran the shit out of him early early in the game. It felt like Tim Beck was back in Columbus and urban was yelling at him over the headset to run JT. I was having flashbacks to the first two quarters of my God. Get this to get this kid out and put a put. JK It quarterback but twenty one carries for your only quarterback that can win a football game on your entire roster. That's a lot but it is that time of year. It's time to win at all costs. You can't protect and hold back. Such a dynamic athlete all year and expect to hoist the National Championship trophy and January. You can't do it you. You have to cut him loose at some point at some point you have to let him go run. Some zone. Reads run some quarterback draws run some things that are just so devastating to to a defense. I mean if you don't if you employ some form of quarterback run game you were giving up the most lethal thing that an offense has that's called equating numbers. Think about it if the quarterback is the one carrying the ball. Ten guys are blocking for him. That means it's a one on one and just fields. We'll win that one on one. It's simple math right. If you do a direct hand in hand it to the running back you now have quarterback doing nothing so that takes one guy out of the equation. Now you have nine guys blocking eleven. Now it's one onto they can out gap you can plus you and there's ways to run the ball still running away from guys and things like that but to run the quarterback back the best acquainted numbers situation and they did it so they had to do it. At some point. At some point Justin fields was going to get cut loose and it evident that that the point the leash came off. Starting this past Saturday and now watch out. That kid is going to put up some insane stats especially actually when let them throw the Baltimore because he threw it. I mean awesome. I've really had one or two misthrows that I saw the whole game. And here's what was really. Here's what's really cool looking. Forward the top three graded players on offense for Ohio State. Number One. Chris Alavi Number Two K.. J. Hill number three three Garrett Wilson on only twenty eight snaps. How about that? Needless to say was number one the future of zone six is really bright not to mention the ridiculous class. Last heartline has been putting together to supplement the loss of K J Ben Victor Austin Mac. But the future's really bright and I mentioned before the show. That's what this his team needs. They Need Chris O.. Lavi making big plays he certainly capable. They need those explosions Downfield K.. J. Hill with an unbelievable touchdown on Saturday big play the future is bright zone six in with his offense if they let just throw the ball and a Penn.. State's defense they played. They played really. Well Mike Parsons my God. He played outstanding. He is great. A guy on defense eighty-eight percent. I will tell you this. The lowest to graded players players on offense. Were the two tackles at Ohio State There Mumford and Brandon Bowen. And when I watched the game I thought they played poor simples that poor. I knew this pass rush would be an issue you for for the line. They didn't have a chase young but they had a very effective pass. Rush going into the game but both tackle tackles grading out that low. That is problematic attic and concerning for this coming week and the hopeful playoff run because Michigan's defense is salty fair Mumford. Had A really rough day. He was the lowest graded player on offense. Fifty four point nine percent small caveat that was double Penn State's sharp starting quarterback great if y but here's his issue when I watch their play and I was talking about it to a couple of guys at the tailgate. He is very athletic. He has the potential to be very good but he is fundamentally very depor. He doesn't move his feet well and he's a waste bender. You'll see it every time. He loses impasse Bro. He gets lazy with his feet. Waistbands bends at the waist east and gets his hands swiped or get counter back inside and loses. He is not he does not play with a good. What I what we used to call football position a good bend like a reverse arc in your back like imagine squatting down and then sticking your chest out? That's the position you play football in not hunchback waste bending you bend at the ankles is the hips and the knees. And that's what he doesn't do well. He gets very top heavy at times but the two tackles they allowed five pressures combined and in a low passing contest and edge protectors are showing up as the greatest weaknesses of this team. The Achilles heel of Ohio state right now if you may for this Buckeye team is the tackles the pillars on the edge. The interior line has really developed an improved. I'm impressed I was critical the entire office line beginning of the year. I think the interior. Three reliant have really improved. Josh Meyers has probably should probably be the most improved player on the team. That's how much better. He's playing only allowed one pressure the entire day and they played really really well in the run game. The offense definitely showed some sparks. They made some huge place but it was a very sloppy and inefficient all day third down was very concerning the execution in the run. Game on third down was awful third and mediums so third and three to six that should be Ohio states dominant situation relation. That's where you are a great third-down team and really a great offense because you're good on first and second you get to third and four and you convert like a knife through butter on that third in medium. That's what I always looked at and said on third and medium. How good is a team? Because that'll tell you how drives we're GONNA go. They keep drives alive and on Saturday it was really concerning the execution. The run game was awful third and medium. There were six attempts thirty three percent to of six with their conversions. It's coming on a Justin feels designed run and a master t grinding it out a first down on four. Those are the two conversions on third and medium. The I think the reality is master. artigue needs to be the third down back. He's better impasse bro the JK. His ball skills aren't as good as jk but he's that bigger body back it can go get you four four yards. Jk Dobbins had his number called six out of the thirteen third downs on Saturday. Almost half he only converted one on third into one of six now. Jacob had a an outstanding overall performance which was much needed to grind. This went went out for sure. Much like was needed and delivered versus Wisconsin. A couple of weeks ago. A hundred seventy six yards is respectable. But don't look at that stat line and and look at one cute run and say that was a dominant performance. It wasn't it was more of a stats by volume day carrying the ball thirty six times. That's twenty more orca carries than jk's average going into the game of sixteen thirty three percent more than his previous season high. The most he ever carried the ball all year is twenty four times now. He carried it thirty six. I don't know I don't have the stat in front of me. But that's what around four yards a carry. That's not dominant when you run the ball. All Sixty one times like they did on Saturday. It's evident of a couple of things and it could be a combination of any or a conglomerate reason number one the weather and confidence in winning a physical battle those. That's the first point it's rainy. It's sloppy we're confident. Wouldn't that we can win a toe to toe slug match and so you go for it. Let's take distinct ground. The second point of contention is lack of confidence throwing the bowl and protecting the quarterback. Sometimes it's not that you don't have faith in the quarterback throwing in the receivers catching it. It's that you don't know how well you're going going to protect the quarterback and especially if your quarterback is the only quarterback on your roster that can win a game. You really gotta be careful. Even if he's peyton manning. Tom Brady back there. You got to be careful because if he gets hit once the wrong way. Yikes that's a bad bad deal and the third thing is the desire or to shorten the game and just wear the clock out. Which have state did that game was over and done? I think it was three and a half hours or something. Something like that and it was. It was by design. They were GonNa Short net clock and get out of there with a win but like I said at the beginning all this was not a close game it seemed close for a minute when they they put up seventeen points but you win by eleven after turning it over three times in the rain shitty weather. You're gonNA take that all day every day if you think you're the best his team in the country. I mean you're playing a top. Ten team is supposed to be a close game. You Win by eleven and you play like Shit Kinda. That's A. That's a hell of a deal that if that is playing like shit winning by eleven boy Oy people are going to be really happy and Buckeye nation but it was a big win goodwin looking forward to the next episode tomorrow. I Really WanNa talk about really the the huge upset on the West Coast Arizona State Beaten Oregon leaving Utah really to be the lone lone chance at a playoff berth. Persona talk about that game. I want to talk about. Lsu Arkansas fifty six to twenty another great offense performance but giving up twenty points. Arkansas granted late in the game. So I wanNA talk about that kind of what it means for. LSU also gonNA detail old Texas. Tom The the flight attendant man in his big loss to the future Penn state coach Matt Rule in the Baylor Bears Twenty four to ten going to break that game. Also want to talk about Georgia and they're six point victory. I guess against Texas A. and M. and they're just complete disgusting offense so we're GONNA break that down in the next episode. Appreciate you guys joining us. I appreciate everybody who came out to the tailgate. Really had a blast. I know you guys did to stay tuned. This week's going to be awesome really excited. These are probably my favorite episodes that we've had to date starting with this one. I I love really that a game analyzing it with the tailgate and everything but as always if you're interested in sponsorship or advertising reach out Zack at Minnesota Psyche PODCASTS DOT COM and looking forward to I think December first we're GONNA try to launch our expanded version of this platform so stay tuned have a great Thanksgiving Week. Short week. Shouldn't shouldn't you didn't have to work all week. Right should have at least Thursday Friday off. So let's let's enjoy the weekend. Be Thankful thank you for tuning in. Thank you for listening. 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Episode #127  B1G Breakdown

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Episode #127 B1G Breakdown

"It is Monday October twenty six for patriots subscribers. It is Tuesday October twenty seventh for the rest of us. Thank you for tuning. In Minnesota Sports. I am Zach Smith your host. We had big ten football. Finally, a Buckeyes got a huge win Penn State got upset Graciano one. Oh, at Rutgers Michigan State is a train wreck. Graham Mertz Wisconsin was at an absolute stud and we're going to dive into it all on his show. This is a big ten recap show where we're GONNA talk about the national landscape a little bit. But before we do, we just want to thank everyone that came out and made possible our event. On Saturday the ace on lane if you haven't heard about it or want to look into it was awesome. I was worried about the Cova stuff and distancing and masks, but it was big time man we a great food. We had waned shade on the canal revelry tavern hooked us up with some food. We had all kinds of great food. We had wings pulled pork barbecue, MAC and cheese chips, all kinds of great food and then we had the peanut butter whiskey from screwball was bomb. It was so good people were crushing it and course Buckeye Vodka one of the crispus. vodkas in the lands. Supported our event. So people were drinking that there's beer truly sponsored it. It was awesome. Good turn out, we did a live show pre-game. I'M GONNA put that on our feet. You can listen to it but Johnny Lunceford for scarlet and great join me along with Stephanie Odi for the pre-game live show and then we watch the game watch the Buckeyes get a big victory. So if you're interested, we're having them for all the home games next one up is rutgers Graciano. Tour to Columbus to come back and try to upset the Buckeyes night game we're going to we got heaters at the outdoor spaces and it's all covered. It's all awesome own our VIP VIP balcony area. That was sweet. I. Mean. We had a bourbon bar up there. 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We put twenty units on it, and that means if you have one hundred units in your bankroll could be one hundred bucks a thousand bucks you take twenty of those hundred units. That's a percentage twenty percent of your bankroll, put it on Garrett Wilson to have over four catches. He did we cashed it immediately it was the first half we cashed it we did the same thing for. Who who was it? Oh, Tyler Boyd from Cincinnati on Sunday's game same thing over under. Five and a half catches he had seven by halftime. So anyways, administer pick if you WANNA check it out on twitter the best place to find it, and then also patriots dot com forward slash minister picks we are crushing it right now. I mean our bankroll is up one thousand, nine, hundred dollars just from the weekend. That's what hundred nine units from the weekend one, hundred and forty five since or something like that. Don't quote me on the stats you can look it up on our twitter. Record and our percentages. 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Let's go big ten football, not player of the week this week but we are going to do a shout our player of the week was freshman quarterback. Wisconsin's Graham Mertz. They rolled Illinois have he had a day like Justin fields head just a little bit more explosive in touchdown categories twenty of twenty one, two, hundred, forty-seven, yards five touchdowns one, hundred percent adjusted completion percentage in four for four on deep balls. So he just went off and then this bullshit with the covid. Oh, my gosh. So He dan Graham Mertz on Sunday test positive. For Cove it, let's think about this. Now, the big ten has this up so bad, there's no bye weeks at. There's no wiggle room like Games are GONNA get canceled. They can't get postponed. There's nowhere to postpone them to unless you'RE GONNA play two games in a week. So they are they screwed that up and then they put in this rule three weeks. If you test positive you have to be you can't play for three weeks and unfortunately for the Michigan wolverines that means grandma will not be able to play against Michigan in three weeks. Think about that, there's Wisconsin's GonNa be out there starting quarterback when they play Michigan three weeks on some bullshit I don't know if anyone's studies analytics and the data but no one is contagious twenty days later no one let alone a college age kid you're not contagious after like four days if we're being realistic just ridiculous. So hope his recovery goes well, you know hope hopefully he gets healthy but just an absolute another abomination by Kevin Warren in the big ten with these bullshit rules and Doug butchers if he really recommended that that's a joke. But acquitted quick National Landscape Update North Carolina Roll Number Twenty three NC state gotTa Ranked Win Forty Eight Twenty one was a big win UNC's hopefully picking up some momentum my dark horse in the playoff race Oklahoma state beat number Seventeen Iowa state twenty, four, twenty one, and really tell you what a heartbreaking heart breaking news Jalen. Waddell. If you didn't see it wh-, probably one of the best, not probably he's one of the top three or four receivers in the United States of America broke his ankle on Saturday. So Alabama loses a huge playmaker on that offense be interesting to see how that affects their overall production because he is a critical critical piece and Alabama loses. A big time player that's that's you never wanna say it's good. But everyone in the country will benefit from that because he he was a force to be reckoned with. The other the first game we're going to talk a little bit about even though it wasn't a good game, it was an absolute ask kicking is Notre Dame just throttled patent doozy and Pitt and it was it was an ass kicking up and down the field on in every category every statistic pit look terrible. They couldn't throw the ball they threw three interceptions completed thirty seven percents passes they had twelve tackles Notre Dame only at six they one hundred and sixty, two total yards. They were three for thirteen on third down Notre. Dame, had the ball for forty one minutes there sixty minutes in a game. So they had the ball more than double the time Pitt had the ball. I will tell you this. WE'RE GONNA get to in a second but. Notre Dame's defense is proving to be a solid defense I'm not gonNA say they're great but they're solid because Ian Book wasn't much better than he has been all year. He only completed fifty three percent of his passes five of eleven over ten yards. So forty five percent on actual quarterback throws. But. What he did do that he hasn't been doing he hit two out of three deep balls for two touchdowns. So I'm I'm still not a believer. Believe me I'm not a believer but you go. You get a guy that show some flashes. That, he might improve. That's good. That's good for college football and as I've said before I want Notre Dame to be good I mean eleven of eighteen on third down is outstanding it really is they didn't run the ball well, two point three yards per carry one, hundred, fifteen yards on fifty s so. It was not a not a absolute ofensive firepower game Notre Dame, but they played well, they played really well overall and the offense just just as sputtering a little bit. But their defense is the reason they're winning games and how they beat Pitt. So handily because they have the third highest graded defense in America. You can take opponents into account and all of that but Notre Dame I thought that's I needed to see a big win. Now it's not against a great opponent, but at least it was a game like Notre Dame should have some twenty, four, twenty, one win over pit that forty, five or three that's convincing and it was an ass kicking. Couple other other news Cincinnati made a statement I'm telling you watch out Cincinnati might might make a case here soon, the UCF of two, thousand, twenty, they played number sixteen smu and beat that ass forty, two, thirteen, Luke fickle is crushing down in Cincinnati. So we're going to have to take a look and dive in one of their games coming up because Cincinnati looks like they're for real. In other news. How `bout this one. Greg Xiang. No is one in Oh as the head coach at Rutgers Right now unbelievable. He Beats Sparty. Michigan. State Thirty, eight, twenty seven and I really tove into this I go on every week I. Go on. Mad Dog. Mad Dog radio it's up in East Lansing sports show and mad dog and I always talk about the landscape of the big ten in national. College football. But of course, there's a lot of spartan listeners and so I dove in his game one because I know Greg I know and I and I knew that I would have to talk about it on mad dog show. And it's just unbelievable. This quarterback at Michigan State is I mean it's it's a trainwreck he's off I mean he he was over six on deep balls with two interceptions and Buckeye fans. One of those was to former Ohio State Safety Brennan White. If you don't remember him, he was like the Defensive Mvp of the Rose Bowl and then we ran them out of town for some reason halfway did but Yeah. So he had he had pick this kid rocky Lombardi through over six on deep balls with two interceptions. Five of those misses were to their receiver Jalen Naylor who's a full fast kid I mean. He's a deep threat, but he missed him five times. He completed fifty two percent over ten yards seven for seventeen on third down, which is under under fifty percent, which is never good and then the real reason seven turnovers you hear me Michigan State had seven turnovers. You can't give another team, the ball seven times an expected win a game they average one point three yards per rush. Bo Melton. The one receiver had two drops. It was still the leading receiver. It was just a nightmare for the Michigan State office business as defense played well I mean it was just an absolute train wreck offense and so. I don't know Mark Dantonio was really the problem. Maybe it's just the offense geno maybe it's hard to play offense football up in East Lansing I. Don't know it was it was disgusting and so Gregg Giannotti gets I win one know is a head coach at rutgers and he was on his revenge tour. If you want I mentioned before the ace online, we're going to be down there right on campus right by the horseshoe for Graciana coming back to Columbus to prove buckeye nation. He was not the problem he's GonNa make a statement on the Buckeyes. I'll tell you what you. Then you start getting into some of these these games, this weekend, Michigan Minnesota, we're GonNa talk about that one I what a game by the wolverines. So the game starts off. Minnesota's on fire. So the Michigan gets a ball they force a punt, they blocked a punt the same same type Scheme Ohio state us with Chris Alavi to block blocker pundits Michigan. They did a little twist up the middle a blocked, appoint an quick score and go up seven point seven nothing then it's tied up seven, seven and the. Minnesota has play action pass. The running back doesn't see the Blitzer Blitzer blindsides tanner Morgan for a fumble or it was kind of a fumble kind of a half throw. When he got hit and writing the three hundred pound D- Limon's lap, and he took it back for a touchdown, which is every fat guys dream right be a national TV and and you score a touchdown. So. Here's the issue that I saw and I wanted to bring it up play action pass. What is that? That is where you show to show a run play right to get people to bite up, and then you pull it out and you throw a ball. That's very simple terms of what play passes. So that running back that is doing a run fake is responsible for second level blitzer. Depending on the scheme, it could be like the right side second level. It could be coast to coast depending on how they skin their protection what protection they called he is responsible for the second level players. So, if you see a blitz or if on the snap, a blitzer triggers, you have to do what's called FTF that was our rule always FTF fucked the fake there's no more fake it's a blitz. You don't need to fake anyone there already shortened coverage fucked a fake go block the blitzer. Well, this image did not see it was I mean it was he was blind to it and he just run faked hard action. and. My Gosh Tanner Morgan came off and just got lit up. So you look at the game, right? It's because Michigan won the game forty, nine, twenty, four, they gave the handed Minnesota handed Michigan Twenty one points they had the blindside sack fumble for a TD. They gave up a kickoff return to the nine yard line that was seven more points and they try to fake punt that failed and essentially gave them their third touchdown. It was it was just an ass kicking a of. All across the board and I would tell you this Michigan ran the ball extremely well, eight point two yards per carry. They threw the ball decent sixty percent for two and twenty five yards they what they didn't do is they didn't turn the ball over and they had eight missed tackles that tells me that Jim Harbaugh did something right with covert and to get his team ready to play. That's what I've said from the beginning I would be most interested to see is sloppy ball security turning the ball over because that's a non talent issue that's just learning how to hold the ball and making it routine and habit. It's habitual and they only had single digit missed tackles. That's huge. That could. Speak to ways one to how efficiently Michigan tackles or to to the lack of dynamic playmakers at Minnesota. Either way win for Jim Horrible and Joe Milton they'd say said Cam Newton two point Oh. This kid is Cam Newton two point. Oh, he looked really good. That's all say he did look really good fifteen or twenty to sixty percent two, hundred, twenty, six yards touchdown. He was only one for four on deep balls but five five or ten and over ten yards, it's not terrible it's not great but it's not terrible and the line pass they only allowed four total qb pressures four in the whole game. Now, he struggled on those four pressure plays he was zero percent completion, but this team. I don't even want they looked pretty good. The run game was absolutely dynamic Hassan, Haskins thirt- fourteen yards per carry Zach Chardonnay almost eighteen yards per carry joe, Milton the quarterbacks almost seven yards per carry the those three combined had eighteen carries two hundred and four yards. Eleven point three yards per carry every time they touch the ball those three in the run game they averaged eleven yards that's first and ten. I down get first down you don't even get the second out ever and they had four touchdowns. So the run game was absolutely dynamic Joe Milton was really good and the defense was phenomenal. I mean they're number one in the big ten right now in sex they have recorded five sacks against MINNESOTA? They stopped the run really well, three point one yards per carry the kid quick. Pay was a Mosser. He had six total qb pressures to sacks and three hurries. They had one interception, one fumble for a touchdown. It was the absolute best case scenario for Jim. Harbaugh in Michigan fans and I'm not trying to put the cart before the horse but it's the Best I've seen Michigan look early in the season. Since I can remember since I mean Brady hoke had some solid teams he would get it. He wasn't the final product that Michigan fans wanted as far as boo wins in bowl games and but. He always had a tough team. They looked well coached that team Don Brown, defense playing I. Know It's one game. So we'll see if they can continue fortunately, they don't have to play Graham Mertz. So we'll get Wisconsin's backup quarterback in three weeks, but it's all you got to give credit where credit's due right Michigan looks solid better than solid. They looked really really good. So I thought it was a huge win for them. It was a ranked win finally for Jim Harbaugh so. That's good news and I think it's got a chance that the buckeyes are going to have their hands full at the end of the year. That's all I'm going to say this team is is solid, but we're going to get to them in a minute. They got some they got some things that we still need to learn. You know how I am about what did we learn? So. That was one huge game in the big ten in Indiana Penn state while. You didn't watch that game. Go find it on. Youtube TV your dvr or something holy, cow. That game was unbelievable. It started off I. Mean you talk about a bad first half Penn state quarterback Sean Clifford had about of as bad first half as I've, I've ever remember. The worst throw of the twenty twenty college football season. He had little slip screen right where he drops back the running back acts like he's passed pro and then slips past the rushers lineman go out and block form right? It's called a slip screen he threw it ten yards over the the running backs head right to the corner for an interception and the second worst throw of this college football season was similar. It was on a crossing route he threw it at least five yards over that kid's head for another interception, and then he pulled the ball in his own read and handed it to the Indian a D. Lineman. First Half had three turnovers that were just him I mean it wasn't like I got hit. It wasn't the receiver was covered. He threw the ball and handed the ball to Indiana three times. so they're down seventeen seven at half and it was like Oh what's happening? What's happened in a penn state so then they battled back and tie it up with one forty, four left in the game. The only thing you have to do is not allow them to get the ball back. Right? You just run the ball pound the ball don't give him the ball back your. Game over right you're up by what they were up by one at that point and you just don't give them all back. So Indiana lets them score. If you haven't seen the play, it's wild and I've I've actually we've taught it I've never seen it done in a game that I was a part of but what you do is you situation you call your defense and you have a tag on it you say alerts alerts score or let them score right so then your defense and you watch it Indiana's left side of the defense. Like the ball snapped and they kind of start walking off out of the way like moving out of the way walking towards the sideline and you could tell that Isaiah Ford from Penn. state had no idea what was going on he? He hit hit the crease got the whole and realize geysers walking like they're not even trying to tackle me and he realized something ain't right here at about the one and a half yard line and looked to the sideline like towards his coaches like should I be doing us like nobody told me anything and. He crossed the goal line and scored. So now Penn State Scores Twenty eight twenty and any is going to get the ball back. and. He wanted to give you some perspective here. You have to teach these kids those random things in training camp we used to have checklists of all the random s situations that come up and you have to give them something a tool to remind them like we had a bunch of them. We that one right there we call alert down it meant you do not go out of bounds and you do not score a touchdown. That's that's the rule right alert down. So we'd call a play and at the end of it say alert down the other. Thing, we also had alert clock that's where you're going to run a play, but you remind your kids, there's only fourteen seconds left. So alert clock is tagged you catch the ball, get down immediately and then get the ball to the referee. You're trying to spike the ball alert clock and there's a number of them I'll go through them in some episode, but you have to teach your kids that in training camp at Penn State had time they had extra practices I mentioned it. Before I talked to the state coaches, they had forty practices before their first game. That's Probably. What twelve more than normal training camps at twelve extra practice you had to cover all these situations and obviously they score touchdown to go up eight. We wouldn't be talking about that in such depth except to big pass plays later Indians Qb sneaks at Emma twenty two seconds to go twenty eight, twenty, six Penn state still up then run a QB draw to tie it up at twenty eight and we're going to overtime. But the most bizarre coaching decision I have ever seen. Right. They twenty two seconds left or something like that. They score a touchdown gopher to they. Get it. Tom Allan decides that he's GonNa kick an onside kick with twenty two seconds left think about how dumb that is. All right the only way you lose. Here's your options. You kick it deep. Right, they return it and you hopefully tackle them. You Squibb it deep to try to prevent them from setting up a good return. That's what most coaches would do i. didn't even think this was an option but an onside kick. Why What the fuck are you doing Tom Allen Penn state ends up getting shot to win it with three seconds left because they got that onside kick they moved the ball a little bit and they go to kick a fifty seven yard field goal with three seconds left to win the game and I mean, the kid almost made it. He if it was fifty four, it's just clears uprights. So is this a little bit short and I don't understand why he would give them the option. Or the I, mean I it blows my mind. What you do is you SQUIB kick it deep. They don't return because it's a SQUIB kick. Hopefully, the upback catches it not the returner you get them tackled and then they ended up taking they end up taking a knee. They're not gonNA try to win the game from their own side of the field they take a knee you go to overtime just wild. So go to overtime both teams scored overtime. Right? Michigan Penn, state scores I kicks extra point Indiana Indiana scores, and they make the decision to go for two one play game on the line and it was unbelievable. So they called a pass play the quarterback scrambles. If you haven't seen it, you have to see it reminded me of space jam with Michael Jordan when he's at half court and has to dunk in the and his arm just starts growing and and lengthening. That's what it was like this kid dove and I felt like his arm like grew six inches for the tip of the Baltic to cross the goal line. A lot of people ask me did I think it was a touchdown. Yes I do here's why. The touchdown is scored the very second. The first molecule of that football crosses the very beginning of the white of the goal, line? So you don't need to get it in the end zone and cross the white line. Ferry tip of the football breaches the very front edge of that white painted line, and it has to be inside the pylon when I saw before it touches out of balance that point was had had already breached the white inside the pylon game over. Game over the sideline and they reviewed it and when they when they said, it was a touchdown they called it which are just two points. Good. The sidelines exploded I mean Indiana was obviously thrilled with the upset but here's what's crazy. I watched the game and I felt like I watched a scary movie or something. Then I went back and look at look at the analytics and Penn state dominated outside outside of. Sean Clifford's first half mishaps. They dominated this entire game. I. Mean on every face. So I bring this up for Buckeye fans don't think you're getting some Penn state team that that just got whooped up on by Indiana no no. No. Their quarterback made some dumb ass decisions and I'm tell you why they lost at a second. But listen this Penn State dominated Indiana twenty seven first downs to sixteen, two, hundred and fifty yards rushing to forty one four point eight yards per carry to one point six, two, hundred, thirty, eight yards passing to one hundred seventy yards passing three passing td's to one fifty, three percent on third down thirty, three percent on third down. It's like every analytic, every category they dominated Penn state. Penn, state dominated Indiana Indiana won the game and they lost the game for two reasons right? Those mistakes that Sean Clifford made, but there has got to turnovers. So the turnover ratio was three to two. So that's one reason they had one more turnover than Indiana had, and the other reason that people are not talking about I. Promise you is. There red zone offense was awful and they missed three field goals, three field goals in the game. So the one was fifty, seven yards. It wasn't even their normal kicker. It was their strong leg kicker who's just apparently has the leg to try to get it there from sixty. So they missed too legit field goals one from twenty, four yards or something. They had six trips into the red zone Penn state did they only scored three touchdowns and zero field goals? My big thing is. touchdowns in the Red Zone I could care less teams all their one hundred percent score in the red zone like shit. You're supposed to score in the red zone. If you can't kick a field goal, once you're already inside the twenty five year terrible. But that's what they did. So they were fifty percent touchdowns in the red zone, which is not good and zero field goals. They left the red zone three times without points. In on the other side Indiana had five red zone trips, they got four touchdowns and if you so Indiana got points every time they were in the red zone and they got one extra touchdown over Penn state in the red zone. They got points every time and that's it. That's what happened. Honestly one of the most unlikely and shocking games I've seen since I got into college football eighteen years ago it came down to red zone offense and red zone defense. And it's just I just reflect because on my in my career Urban Meyer was a fanatic about red zone. Every Wednesday was a red zone day every Wednesday the whole year every Wednesday we were down in the red zone so the offense could be. Better and a defense get better at red zone defense and offense because that is it like that is the last stand right? You can be great at running the football and throwing the football. But when you get down there the whole game changes, right? There's no, there's a backstop now coverages are different. DB's don't have to worry about you run by forty yards so they sit on everything. It's the wildest thing in sport because everything fundamentally changes. Coverages are radically different in offenses do a lot of trick plays and an a lot of schemed up route combinations. It is entirely a separate game, two minute offense and red zone offense are the two situations that are just it's like a different game. It's not even the same game as first and ten from your own twenty five. The offense is different everything schemed up the defense is different. It's just it's wild it's money down right? It's time to score and that's what happened. Sean. Clifford played horrendous in the first half they bounce back and just couldn't score the red zone and their their kicker jake vinegar missed two very makeable fills Indiana's kicker Charles Campbell made his field goals. That's what happened. That's why Indiana beat. Penn state it came down to red zone offense and defense wild. My here's the deal that is that is the end of the normal show, and because it's the first week of big ten football and Buckeye football, we're gonNA actually put the whole show out to the public just so you get the Buckeye breakdown but just F- Why in the future this is the cutoff of the public. Show so to ninety cents a month sign up on Patriae on our don't and you have to show, and we're not always going to put the Buckeye show behind the pay wall so to say, so don't don't freak about that but just sign up three bucks a month you get all the full episodes we're going to give this one to you. Now just because I'm a nice guy. But here, here's let's talk about the Buckeyes. So. Those were the the other games in the big ten but I wanNA talk about the Buckeyes because they're the number two team in the country. Now I saw the jumped finally played a game. So I wanNA give you the kind of my reaction to the game and just kind of as I'm going through it kind of notes that I took I drive was was a little little scary right Nebraska jumped. Out Seven nothing, the defense look rusty like the jitters they look very leaky tough Borland is still a below average athlete in Linebacker I. don't care if if his coach made him a champion or not and I don't give a shit Marcus Hooker actually didn't impress me at all which I was hoping he would and he looked wildly stiffened on athletic on Luke McCaffrey's long run to set up their first touchdown. Master t got the start which I had heard from Tony Alfred that he was going to be the guy that got the start. They actually played similar amounts of snaps. Master is straight ahead back. He is exactly what I said. He was I watched it all game. He has a vision if he gets a crease that big son of a bitch can roll and he goes he is a straight line back. He is probably the best short yardage and goal line back in the United States of America he powerful powerful. and. The first two passes you saw what the offense is going to be all year Garrett Wilson Chris Alavi by the way I mentioned before that Gary Wilson prop was stealing money and if I had any if I if I was a true, Gambler, I would've put a thousand ten thousand dollars on it that he was going to have over four catches like. He he will have over four catches in every game if I can make that bed good Lord. So they put it in the slot which which I think was A. I think it was probably the necessary move I. Don't know that it's best for Garrett or but the good news is Ryan Day has of he's so brilliant. Offensively, he knows how to get those guys where he wants on certain schemed up place and then my Guy Jamison Williams was at the X. so lava Garrett James Oh and it was R- I thought the offense was outstanding. Justed fields played almost as well as you can play He took one sack that he should have thrown the ball away I I mean. That's one of the biggest as he had to improve, we'll talk about him indepth more in a minute but. The pass was outstanding in the first half the offense align picked up twists and blitzes. The first half he was kept clean. The second half they struggled and Nebraska had some unbelievable twist blitzes where they plug a linebacker and twist alignment and it was hard Harry Miller and Josh Meyers didn't pick it up well. There was a second and third quarter that was a bad ass blitz and I I should draw it up and tweeted out it was it was a blitz twist and it's one of the hardest things for alignment to pick up and they attacked Harry Miller and Josh, Meyers, which the weakness and pass Bro that we now know about and it was just beautifully schemed up. It's it's really hard to pick up those blitzes and twist. especially with a in this not as experienced. And here's back mastic. Here's what you are going to get from him. He displayed on his one yard touchdown run. You'RE GONNA get power a big beck running through contact. I don't think he's an elite back, but I do think he's the best short yardage back in America? On the defense side of the ball Tommy Tokai is a big dude on the Interior D. Line and him and Haskell Garrett played about as well as anyone's played on the Interior D. Line at Ohio state in a while Haskell was a stud an absolute stud. So first of all, before, let's instead of talking about football I know very well, I recruited them. He was one of my favorite guys that I've recruited I love recruiting other positions and somehow was always declined but great kids. So really happy for him that that he's back he's healthy. They were able to I mean nothing bad happened he got shot in the face like a month ago two months ago just crazy but. Solid Salad Interior D. Line play the risk the receiver group I'M GONNA. Tell you right now. They they blocked it was atrocious. The blocking on the perimeter was atrocious atrocious. It was one of the major issues I saw in the game you can't be pretty little pass catchers you have to block to be a dominant group and it was all day you saw it on the. Screen. Jackson Smith in Jigsaw, they just ran through. Jamison Williams and tackled. Him For one year loss. That's that's what you can't take for granted. They need to block a lot better and then we don't have an answer punt returner Garrett Wilson was back there twice, and then Damore call was back there a second time and I'm what I'm confused about is why and I love tomorrow I think he could be a good punt returner but why do we have a guy back returning punts that didn't play a single snap on offense tomorrow didn't play snap and I'm not here to say he should or shouldn't. But I know this if you don't get on the field on offense. You shouldn't be the punt returner. Right seems like common knowledge. So I'm going to withhold anything else about it. Because for all I know he could have could have been a punishment or something he didn't get to play on offense but. They had. They had a seventy eight yard drive escort to score two tied at Fourteen Nebraska did and they were running straight at the silver bullet defense. They had three. We Ohio State had go for fourth down three times was negated by legal procedure, but they they had to rely on fourth down call. Three times in the first half. And then I also, as I mentioned Harry Miller struggled in his first start in pass. Bro and then on third and one where trae sermon gets hit in the backfield and Harry. Didn't even see the blitzer as he pulled around on the power play and if you want if you go back and watch that clip is actually two options scenario out it's not really on Harry Miller. But they were in power right which is where you kind of blocked back as a gap scheme you block back pull the. Guard around kick out with a tight end, and there's a couple of things that need to happen. Right. If a guy blitz off the edge, there's two options. The what really needs to happen is Luke feral needs to kick out the blitzer and the line rakes. The Defensive Front that means is you think about it if you lineup Padilla defensive end and you bring blitzer off that side, what's the defensive end? GonNa do he's not gonna go outside also that's two people in the same gap so he'll go. Inside that's called the D. Line moving with the blitz, right so the line that right tackle, let's say that defensive and wants to go inside of the right tackle. The right tackle has to see the blitz as it starts to trigger and rake that defensive end over inside of him to to block him, and then the tight end can kick out the rifle blitzer. I'm sorry and you got a nice play guard pulls around cleans up the second level linebacker and you're you're out the gate and it didn't. Happen on that play so that either that needs to happen or they're gonNA go hard hard hard run action and just blow them off the ball and Harry Miller has to see it in just those only two options. So if you don't want to guard that I don't I would never want to go to have to do that. But the way it played out that was the only option or the tight end needs a block twenty, four fourteen and a half I thought it was you know some rusty? But. What happened was QB running scrambles killed our defense curiosities defense again and I'm GONNA. Tell you who else impress me steal chambers. He looks like a nice combination of trae sermon and master T I like steel, chambers. The other thing that's just absurd was Nebraska. Had Two players objected for targeting and football. It's just changed the entire game I. don't understand why it can't just be a personal foul. Why do we have to check them at least give them a warning right? You give them one warning. So they know damn I really better not do that again because a lot of these. Are Incidental like a guy goes tackle low and the ball carrier ducks just ridiculous. They had two players objective for targeting and I've had about enough targeting in football. There's a couple of examples where you're like Yep that guy should be addicted. Every other one is just guys playing football and maybe they accidentally hit heads. It's ridiculous you your changing the game but the other thing. Probably. The most insane catch I've ever seen Jackson Smith JIG was touchdown catch his entire body was out of bounds but he snuck a little toe in for the touchdown unbelievable and then Jay. The backup quarterback is I'm sure they'll have some political answer. Well, we'RE GONNA WE'RE GONNA rotate who goes Jack Miller backup qb. I honestly, I didn't think that would happen. I thought they would stick with Gunnar Hoke as the late game quarterback and let cj Stroud and Jack Miller battle it out. But they made a statement maybe it will motivate CJ stroud maybe it's to keep Jack Miller. I don't know there's all kinds of different dynamics here because they certainly don't WanNa lose lose one of those kids right now, and that's the way of the quarterback nowadays. But. Let me tell you the secret weapon this team that another thing no one will talk about drew Christmas the Punter. The bottle flipper is a stud to punts forty nine yards per punt and no. No return yards. If he can punt the ball, fifty yards with great hang time all year that is a major impactful weapon for Ohio State. So that's my that was my thoughts on the game. Now, let's get into the analytics. First of all, almost five hundred yards of total offense twenty, eight first downs eight of thirteen on third down just outstanding and then just fields was like I said about as strong of a first game as he could have had a needs to get the ball out a little quicker but it was solid. He was decisive. He had a quick release strong arm I feel like he was much improved going through progressions understanding of. The offense seeing defenses, his one incomplete. It was a beautiful deep ball to Chris. Alavi, calling a drop but it would have been a hell of a catch. Ten of twenty one passes were over ten yards. So half I mean, this is what you want this great qb play. He hit nine of ten of those with lobbies. Drop is one on a well throne depot. So half of his balls were over ten yards he. Should complete all of them. Here's a wild stat for you. The top three quarterbacks that played football on Saturday for a completion percentage were justin fields one hundred percent Graham Mertz hundred percent from Wisconsin Adrian Martinez Nebraska Ninety, three percent. The. Top three quarterbacks in the country where big ten quarterbacks. So feels took four sex that's an issue that has to be cleaned up both past pro and him getting the ball out. So this is a big knock on him last year average time to throw two point, seven, six seconds. That's and some of it is scheme most of it is not that's the fourth longest time that he has the ball in the United States of America on Saturday. The fourth longest he got ten throws out in under two and a half seconds eleven throws out over two and a half seconds. So that's got him proof. I set it all last year and take sacks. It's how you get hit when you throw and Heathrow picks it just it has to get better. And then the receivers my goodness, the dynamic duo. Garrett Wilson Crow they both were targeted seven times. So I mean that's that's the feature whatever we didn't really. They didn't really throw it too tight ends. They didn't get any other receivers involved the next closest with. Jackson Smith INGEBA with he had two targets was a bubble screen and then the other one was touchdown and they both go over one hundred yards Garrett scores on a post versus quarters which quarters coverage, right? It's four across. If you get something to hold the safety, then you're you're you're one on one with that corner, you run a post route. There's no one there. That's why the is almost always play inside lever broke off the corner on that post who's beautiful, and then they almost pulled in what would have been a ridiculous catch climbing the ladder. Downfield in the middle field both top ten nationally this week. So top ten receivers in the country on Saturday they both great it out in the top ten Garrett Wilson Eighty two percent was fifth Chris Alavi Seventy seven percent was tenth in America Garrett was absolutely ridiculous. He's now the most productive wide receiver in after one game with seven or more targets. He's the number one most productive receiver five point two yards per route run Alavi seventh. So just get ready because this is going to be a magical year and now that Jalen waddles out at Alabama. This is the best tandem duo inner receive a room in the United, states of America. But the pecking order seems to be very clear. Now with Brian heartline's lines rotation, it's going to be those two Jameson Williams and distant but pushing is Jackson Smith and Jessica then Julian Fleming who both of them played twelve snaps then cameron. Bab is that what is that? Sixth? Guy Played. Six Naps and then g Scott Junior played three. So that's kind of the pecking order of the receiver room as it stands today. Very. Top heavy and then a bunch of young talent. So expect that young talent to get more involved maybe midseason when they start kind of getting some game experience and I tried to tell everyone not to freak out that Julian Fleming was going to be Julio Jones. Day One just it's GonNa. Take Time. All right. It's going to take time and he'll get there because he's talented enough same with Jackson and same with same with all of them G Scott too. So I. Moving to the running back room room I don't I don't fully understand what the deal is at running back. I really don't when I watched those backs play trae sermon looked. Like a four more explosive, elusive dynamic runner, the master teague, it wasn't even close. And it was a good split thirty snaps fatigue twenty, nine for sermon. But I don't master teague is an above average back. That is in a big time powerful short yardage back. That's what he is not saying he can't get better but he just he doesn't. He doesn't have great vision. He doesn't have great change direction. You see at one time he got open-field tackled one on one DB where he took him three steps to try to change. Change Direction and the Nebraska DB just followed him up and dropped him so. I I don't get it. So I I would hope to see more. More trae sermon trending in the future and let's see what he can do. Maybe he's not much better I don't know. We didn't get to see enough of them. Off The line, it was a solid day for the group I. Mean Pro Football Focus put out there with the highest grade at line unit in America. But I'm here to tell you there's a time to work on for coach Stud Harry. Harry Miller struggled he's first game. He's young. You expect that he graded out the lowest starter on the team fifty, six percent. Now Nick Petite was the second highest grade just behind Justin fields. So what a stud we have to tackles it Ohio state that are absolute studs they'll be NFL players, I mean they're probably first rounders when it's all said and done he, their Mumford allowed zero pressures in the entire game, the interior three. Oh. Linemen the Guard Guard Center Guard allowed seven. They. Gave Up. Three sacks was only better than Minnesota who gave up five to Michigan. So how state right now is second to last in the big ten on sacks allowed and like I said running back play was average master teague is right now the forty ninth most of elusive runner in the country on Saturday he was the forty nine most elusive breaking tackles making forcing missed tackles forced to total so. I think it was a good first game. Justin fields was phenomenal Garrett Wilson, and Chris Alavi phenomenal disappointed. The tight ends weren't more involved in the past game disappointed in the run game and I think the Oh line could is going to play better. They got a lot to work on past pro with twists, the blitz twist and the run game they were not they were not perfect. So a lot to work on in his scary that how much better this offense could be if they can get some of that stuff cleaned up now the defense on the other hand. I have some concerns first of all if you watch, this defense is a tackling machine cut tackle is where a guys running unusual chop his legs out. There's not like a wrap up. It's not a tackle. You just chop his legs out which works effective but I'm GonNa tell you went you went to crystal ball of what's coming Penn State is going to be hurdling the shit out of us. If all we do is cut tackle I mean that's the UC's guys like when they would go tackle Zeke he so powerful it's like master teague you go try to tackle master t up high you're going to get run over so guys would cut tackle And what was Zeke do? He would just hurt over when keep running. So be ready for that teams are going to start doing it because this defense was cut tackling all over the field. Going Group by group, I have a lot of concerns on the D. Line. The pass rush was just average just average the DNC were disappointing sixteen total pressures and they only got home three times. Haskell Garrett led the way. So the best pass rusher in this is not a knock on anything hassle gear. It was phenomenal. He was the best pass rusher on the field a D. tackle with the whale Ohio state recruited at the end there's no way that should be possible and third downs getting bear and Browning ended a stand up the end. No way should ask lead lead the team had three quarterback pressures one sack one hit one QB hurry great game for for Haskell but. I don't know where these are the Phoenix Zach Harrison only recorded one single pressure and it was the sack but had one pressure. So he's not chase young not yet. He's talented but I I heard all that he was going to be the chase young. It was going to be both Bosa Chase Zach Harrison, he might be but he's not dominant right now he's just not. The linebacker group was. Not WanNA say disappointing but tough Borland did not look improved and I'm starting to question what the Hell we're doing here like why he had a thirty one percent grade by four the lowest on the team he gave up four catches on four targets for fifty nine yards in pass in pass coverage third cover three defense that they're playing most of the time he looks like an unathletic guy lost in space, he can't find. Receivers he he doesn't have a great feel. He's certainly getting out run to the perimeter that McCaffrey kids going to be an unbelievable football player for Nebraska and when he hit the crease on some of these edge runs tough was a step late every time. So I don't know what we're doing Barron played. Well, I thought played really well. So young guys showed promise. So I'm mostly concerned that we don't have anyone better than tough Ohio state doesn't have any better than tough to put in there. That's that's the biggest weakness on the defense that I saw pass rush and tough borland played like he played the last two years there's no same tough the secondary I think played really well, Sean Sean Wade, played really well, pretty uneventful playing field corners. So they had Sean Wade playing field corner and I don't know that I love that I mean the boundary throw is more common. The boundary throw is more frequent but maybe they like Sean Way to the field because of all the space and because he's good tackler. So he played feel pretty uneventful. He had one play on a post wheel Combo that was just outstanding. He passed off the post to the to the middle field safety came off on the wheel round almost picked it off. He should have it was phenomenal. So he played really well, pretty uneventful seven banks was the cover man opposite of weighed the majority of the time. Cameron. Brown played twenty four snaps nine is like the slot corner on third down and stuff like that and so those are your three top three corners right there and I think the disappointing thing is no takeaways through the air. We had no interceptions one of only four big teams without a pick through game one it was just not a dynamic Saturday just solid. It was a solid game by the defense just decent. Adrian Martinez Hurt the defense on the ground not through the air. He was one for two over ten yards throwing the ball. He certainly didn't throw throw it well but he the quarterback position running the ball is a major concern. We saw it with Trevor Lawrence and Clemson last year, and now we saw on on on Saturday I mean he in the freshman quarterback Luke. McCaffrey were the leading rushers in the game Mostly. On design qb runs scrambles qb Ryan's, and then there was one where there was schemed up thing with McCaffrey lineup in the backfield with Martinez but. I that's that's a major concern qb run it is what it is. So my take away from the game. Needs to improve the rush defense, it's absolutely unacceptable. I don't care if it's a quarterback running back doesn't matter the rush defense has to get better tenth in the big ten now at rushing. Defense Josh Meyers impressed Pasco has to get better Harry Miller in general has to get better which he will. He's young first game I get it. I'll never forget Taylor Dekker's first game when he had to block Khalil Mack from Buffalo all day long you can have a rough first game. You'll bounce bounce back I. also need to see less tigue Moore sermon. And then the wide receiver blocking has to get better still worst I've seen, it will have state in ten years and get it would be like well, that's biased coming from. You know it was awful. The perimeter runs the screens, the bubbles little stuff like that the receivers were. Blocked terribly. So what Ohio State is. Now after that game that the twelfth overall highest graded team in America on pro football, focus the second highest graded offense behind Alabama. The fifth highest graded passing attack, the twenty fifth highest graded rushing attack, the thirty sixth grade defense and the thirty fifth run defense. So I know I'm not crazy when I see those things and I see it on film and I'm like, I just get that feeling and then I write the show and I go to pro football focus and their grading right where I would put them I mean the defense needs a. A lot of improvement and I didn't see much blitzing I. Need to go back and look at that. We didn't blitz much. It's like we just went with pass rush. We're used to having chase young knick Bosa and guys like. Dave on Hamilton I mean that just get home right on a four man pass rush maybe a twist. It's gotta be better. It's gotTa dig out of do better. So that's my analysis of the game. We're obviously GONNA. Have a great preview episode talking about this. Penn state match up but I'm I'm warning U. Penn. state is not a bad football team. They beat the brakes off of Indian in every aspect of the game other than the red zone. And, Sean Clifford. Trying to throw the game I guess at the beginning. So that's it. That's what it is. 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