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"alan moore" Discussed on WIBC 93.1FM
"And welcome back my career with us our final segment then your phone calls as we talk about all things you afford space Y. con and you is a aerospace engineer designer consultant get involved in UFOs I was born this way I mean you know Alan Moore I was interested in aliens from the time I can remember anything I mean you know how how the caller Bob talked about how you know five years old is about when you start to remember stuff and I can let my first memories are watching black and white TV of rocket launches of Gemini missions you know and all that stuff I don't remember anything earlier than that but you know I was always interested in space and aliens and and I start tracking lost in space came along and that was just it for me and I always have been and and it wasn't until you know I started winding down the engineering thing that I decided well I guess now I can afford to go out and kind of you know the focus more on my on my interest and and make it more than just a hobby and really start you know going into it and that's all it happened I just you know really I'll tell you the truth I was I was at work one night at at major aerospace corporation at is used to be based here in the Pacific Northwest and next thing you know some people were were running a a video of some guy talking about the face on Mars and it just took off from there and I was about nineteen ninety eight and then of course I was working late at night so I was able to listen to coast to coast AM on the way home and that just got me all all riled up super super by the way I've got a picture of the original mercury seven astronauts sign what do you think that's worth well I don't know you have to have two guys on pawn stars but I think it's worth quite a bit younger surprised I am I had a a picture given to me by my friend Dr Ken Johnston which was actually a flag that had been to the moon on Apollo fifteen signed by Jimmer went and it was worse I don't know three thousand four thousand Bucks so I don't know it just depends on if you catch somebody who wants that right yeah that's what it comes down to let's go back to the phones Mike in Denver Colorado Hey Michael Gearon with Mike pero Hey good morning George thank you so much for taking my call and very glad to con again Heiser is back guy I was screen for a meeting where all the code the code because families very happy he's back so I just want to say that fine off his cool comments about couple of comments the ball I I heard you mentioned earlier about being named as the boulder earlier this weekend and seen AJ Lee and Dr ET and I just want to say that the power in the end that the reach of television is really something that's really amazing I just was watching the science channel a few weeks ago and saw one of our good for us former us favorite skin bars are missing about aging geography yeah yeah but it's it's really amazing that the reach that television has but Mike a big fan of your work I did have a comment about one of our favorites I think Jason Martell wrote a great book about how easily where aliens really come from if they could come from space the moon where in the universe they come from and I want to get your opinion on that thank you well they can come from lots of places I mean obviously other planets that are like this one is very important they do can't can travel here in extraterrestrial craft or or use you know the wormhole technology to jump a big mother ship and they sent out a bunch of scout ships and stuff like that I think one of the more interesting answers is a course people there's people that talk about inter dimensional beings they talk about them not necessarily exist in this plane but sometimes I think that that's just a kind of a misinterpretation of some other technology that you know that they view the tender experience them and that sort of ethereal realm and you don't really think that they're necessarily physically in the room with you but I think one of the more interesting ideas that really hasn't been addressed as they could come from inside the earth I mean how do we know they haven't always been here how do we know that many of these species were here actually before us before this became our planet and they could be living under you know under the oceans in the in the interior of the planet Lake Michigan there's all kinds of weird sightings of of ships coming in and out of Lake Michigan so you know who knows but I think it's it's the answer's probably all these different different ideas because there are I think you know it appears that there's many many many different species that are visiting the planet right now indeed indeed let's go back to the calls and he's with us in California go ahead and the welcome to the program Hey good morning George your great patron all really enjoy your program and the spare time I'm going to go back to nineteen ninety two this is the year of the I believe the Rodney king riots what happened was I would speak went going to Illinois to visit my mom for the last time and she had open heart surgery and I'm stopped up in flagstaff Arizona long story made short sit down order some coffee only one waitress I say she was twenty twenty one years old very young are related a story that happened to her that happened back the like for five years earlier she told me that she went to visit a childhood playground in the National Forest there outside of Bob bikes that located at eighty one mark Martin wrote A. one mountain road in and she had told me that when she went back to visit the spot with her father that to our individuals to large male figures in camouflage fifty with an R. all you could see is the the slit for the eyes but nothing for the mile and what what she told me was they appeared virtually out of nowhere and told her when she was looking around the area I'm trying to reminisce in the past she said that they had told her that she has to leave in a mechanical voice and when the girl told her told these guys said he I'm just visiting I'm not I'm not doing nothing wrong I'm just visiting my my childhood playground here and one of the two male figures are turned into mechanical motion are not in a like in a human way and turned to the other and then look back at her and said leave or something terrible or something bad's going to happen to you so she ran back to work Hey dad struck a curb courage should think and she turned around one last time and they were gone and and they were both carrying rifles okay now the the voice she said sounded like it was synthesized it did not sound like a human voice but it gets better this is how the story concludes when she gets home that week unusual things started happening things were starting to disappear from her hot summer home that you're renting in the flagstaff area not far and she said that the the the card not only were things disappearing but within that first week there was her documents said and then there was a message in PA on paper that said you must leave you must move from here or something's going to happen to you and what happened was she was terrified her father was Frank is the animal dying under mysterious circumstances it really spoke to her and she said that they did not have the infinity sign it was signed with an infinity sign is Georgie N. yourself Mister bear would probably know what that is so I came back after visiting my mom for one month went back to the restaurant it was a Denny's restaurant right off the interstate highway probably still there and I asked the girl I said do you remember me she said yes I do I said well you're telling me the truth well you are actually telling me the truth are you exaggerating or making up the story she thanks where I'm telling you the absolute truth and she looked like she was scared right when she related the story the first time and she was she was willing to talk about it so I go I said how do you get to that location again and she wrote it down A. one mountain road it's the flagstaff the National Forest there and I said I got to see the smile on the way back to California I stopped over there and I got the spookiest feeling and I'm not exaggerating a Vietnam veteran I have I have the feeling that I was under observation remotely being observed and that place even some of the people that worked there alongside the road didn't seem like they were quite normal acting you know behaving quite like us so I'm not surprised by that story that you related earlier about animals happenings things happen to them and I I swear the stories a hundred percent true I'm not exaggerating or making it up so we just have to what you have said earlier Mr bear I thank you thank you that is a great story Michael well yeah I mean you know it seems like that if they have the facilities or something in certain areas it it doesn't seem likely they'd still be there years and years and years later but sometimes you know the residual vibe can still be there and I mean when you get a feeling like that you should trust it because it's your instinct telling you that you know you're you're in an alien environment I mean I remember I had to UFO sightings in my life and in both cases I it wasn't like I thought something and got this creepy feeling I got a creepy feeling that I thought something so you know I mean I think we have a set kind of a sixth sense when things are not right or or something that's not supposed to be there is it is near us so I I'm glad he kind of he did his instincts and got out of there Ron is with us in North Carolina east of the Rockies hello Ronald welcome to the program a good morning George Lori and my my mother to speak yet I'm sixty eight years old I'm gonna get along for about a minute focus on the men in black part portion of the story sure I was in it for making semi semi Florida Coast Guard arena border tests are covered and we have seen that your photo ID and a telephone that you love in every 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S. that was returned back and were docking at my home port in governor's island New York Yankees here and have you there are three new things to get right if you're if you're not on there you get to go on back I mean a liberty this means you get to go fly on some are already to go and we're looking out and and here comes the three the black windows up on the the tear which never ever happens.
"alan moore" Discussed on Nerd On! The Podcast
"The next would be either. All Your Josh Mine is a four point. Five Live yeah solid. Josh go I am going to give it a four point nine for you for only allows you voted probably killing brings home okay. Well they always took four point seven. I went no I think. Yeah Yeah I had the most votes the topic right. Okay let me let me let me say a little piece. Though I was really four point seven it it is okay. Let's say it's about to change win. When I was getting ready to read this I was ready to not like it? Even though I've seen the change reading reading okay so watching the movie. There's there's I don't know what it is. I never really got into comics so comics for me or just some weird mental until block so Shelly Shelly. Yeah that's just a mental block for me. I just don't really enjoy going out on my way to read comics. But this vis had his lottery much a novel it's inaugural and it had a lot of poetry to it and I'm I'm a sucker for that Kinda Shit like so and that's the thing you don't get out out of a twelve issue. Run like twelve runs at our fucking phenomenal is fucking weird because like how go right mom and so when you're able to talk about things things were issue one issue twelve and just didn't feel like like how our Ucla was like. Oh yeah it was the beginning and it was the end they go but I mean just to kind of speak to that a little bit longer issues and so it's like you can. What's the typical length of a twelve issues is one arc so typically like? Let's say I was in length of one. Show Me Louis. Typically I could say l.. Let's let's we'll google. This wants longer so aside knows finds a weird and funny is I read Web Comics a lot. Yeah and so this is kind of prime for you now. You have to turn the page but sort of no. I don't know what it is because Web uh-huh Cormack Cormick Warwick. They're a little shorter so I think just like this doesn't have enough. It's it's a little too long. So Fatty for you. It's it's a little too long for me in the form of content that this is for me to like it if there have been home. I mean it's fatty as in deliciousness deliciousness. Yes but yeah. I don't know something about like the I've read multiple times in the past and they're just like slightly too long for me to enjoy Roy. And how was this when this was longer now this was really twenty four to thirty two. which is the average length of a comic right interest? So is this the same yourself Josh Rush. Something about that. Just doesn't yeah. Text heavy hand. They're nine panels a page which you know and that doesn't bother me I it's it's it's it's it's weird. I don't know why I had such a mental block about reading it. I say. Would you read more stuff like this. I'm I I without some like. It's not that I wouldn't read it. It's just I know that I'm GonNa have that mental block of late unless it's assignment. Then you will. Yeah probably so all I. It's like a fantasy or slice of life because I really like monstrous and things like that but we should do house and powers ten. 'cause I was GONNA say maybe it's super heroes for us. We should be. I would say Marion Superhero Comics the specifically because I'm totally fine with other genres of thing. I'm going to take away here real quick because I want to recommend and this to you on air and say fuck in read Mister Miracle by Tom King because the belly on this right it's about it's about mister miracle and how he escaped from a hell light planet it and he's been a hero but literally the first issue spoilers for everyone. I WanNa say it spoils for everyone. He commits he tries to commit suicide. Oh ooh because he can't live he's trying to escape life and it talks about all. That should the stress about that ends like fucking gray amd like yo like all of a fantastic shapes such background shit and so fucking yeah got the is our work grump bats. We didn't get two shots. What's for the nomination? While the majority of the nomination got it wrong by voting for Caitlyn we do have two members of Sha voted for Ali. Oh so so. We have a shout out to Dana P.
"alan moore" Discussed on Nerd On! The Podcast
"It felt a little forced at times. Specificity where where he was just like yeah humidity's boring and dumb yes really dumb. I got here. I just didn't follow it as boring mundane right and like for him. who finds so many things fascinating? I would think that humanity would be fascinating as well which I understand what they were going for without. It just felt a little too like overreach for that to be his logic and be like your whole thing doesn't matter because I like rocks. Well I mean the thing's kind of like only on this one planet you like us. Humans have this fixation to kill yourself or other plans have done so well without humans right so you humans are the problem not the and I get it. It just still felt like Uh like why wouldn't that be fascinating to understand why it is the way it is full hearing or may make it more of a point of curiosity and I understand that later on. He's also like no. I'm interested. I did now. They all the first part is like I rather leave your world to find a less complicated one. And that's the thing where it's like and that's why I think his burden right and like you can choose again not to like it. But it's like he's trying to literally be human everyone's asking to be human but also to be there at the same time trying and then so he leaves because like people want him to answer like is you creating cancers like that's impossible impossible but then for a second he doubted and so it's like he still has some humanity and that's like the thing where Adrian was talking about like I understood that he had no humanity or he has humanity. But everyone else didn't so I was able to plant all these people to make them think that he caused cancer because everyone else starts accusing God he doesn't interact with us anymore and like the newspaper people talk about that. Yeah Yeah and like at certain points he talks your point where it's like he has such a disconnection with humanity in so he's isolated in that sense but in the end there is that fraction that he still is. Yeah and so like I guess what you mean like I said what you mean like the the logic event where he says human life garbage in that at the very end. It's a miracle is still oh great right. And and I understand like it's definitely the seeds are planted there for that to be like a compelling argument for it just didn't sit right with me because even when the like I'm watching coaching gleaners thing while also try like have sex with Lori and she's like what the fuck because he's working while also in the bedroom and you might actually have related to that a lot do something about something else happens all the time. Yes and sometimes when Ryan to stop nuclear Holocaust you're like yeah honey. Asian totally totally relate to that anyway your thoughts but yeah so so. The seeds were planted for that logic to make sense. It just didn't feel strong enough to me. So that was a qualm for me and then also my other qualm was that they did such a good job of subverting so many things I would just like more lady stuff. That's actually a big criticism. Actually the comic has received. Is that like. They talked about a lot of things by criticism of a lot of comics allen more specifically but they don't get get a chance to talk about Sally and Laurel in. It's more their relationship but also held their relationship is Kinda trifled in trauma. And they don't do a lot to talk about that other than the fact that Laurel L. hates the fact that her mom loves to be like this sex icon right and laurels kinda pushed into becoming this performer. Actor low her mom wait all right right and that's it. Yeah just like all the ladies like I would've loved to learn more about spectrum. I think it was one of the the one that that died over more. There there was a woman who was gay was pushed her. Name's Silhouette Silhouette Silhouette I like. I would have wanted more of her like I feel like we could have that if she was more in the story. I feel like that criticism wouldn't be there at all. Like if there was more of her story in her. Take into things like the age I was GonNa say to of of why. Maybe we didn't get that and that might be an alum more thing private improbably so like fine. Whatever it's still reeling Morris for I mean if you look at killing joke using Barbara Gordon as a plot device rather than character actor ranches? Why like I know that gets a Lotta Shit but the animated movie tries to make tried to make her a full character and I applaud applaud? Attempt was it executed perfectly no but it was a hell of a lot more than Allen Mawr gave us. Yeah shoot girl. That's it was there to get shot in molested and that was it. Yeah so yeah. That's my call ms so all you got a second light yet. The only thing is Overall and I had to pick up on this until this time time this time reading it and also going back and watching Mike certain polls from the movie and the whole story is pretty depressing. Like there's not ever really it's true glisten of yes hope hope not that I would want to feel happy while reading it but that I need it for to properly understand the spectrum and like what's at stake here and like the like Shami. Listen this is relevant like the relativity of it. I would say this is the interesting thing about it. He wrote it in the time. Where DC and marvel were fucking flourishing uh-huh and so like he wanted to write it because he knew that the market only had that and so it's interesting to have that critique because it's I think that's something I hate to say this. I WANNA make it sound like I'm patronizing bits. I know something like a visitor. Wouldn't like if you have that feeling like peace because you're not reading a lot of the other complex at that time it's kind of like I don't get why dead pool so good is because like no other comic cussing and doing the comedy right same right it just seems like the dumb bullshit as all of the combat moves. It's like no that's very different than the brand has been. Yeah like but I I do believe that it could have benefited benefited from some some of it. Like just to kind of establish a couple baselines free to be like Oh like the characters could be here if if they wanted to are you for it. I think the only glimmer you get. It is probably in the past. Yeah and that's the kind of like the draft and this is like the futures only dark and only things are in the past which is again impressive and it's like well. Then what are my stakes like carries have a shitty life and they're worried about it becoming shittier like that's kind of all worrying about all life ending. Yeah well that's what I meant Shittier Yadier so but it's not like the world is at stake right. There's no ever like idea or push to try to make it like a good place because even the world peace is seen as like negative characters by the characters that were following saints Shitty but then all the people out in the world. Okay I like what is the cost for peace. So is like you know. Even though you've got everything like ear no fucking we on snapped it would lost ironman peace and happiness. Happiness is not the focus of this story no at all. Actually it was. It's a it's a fucking right which is fine but again you come back to qualms moms as far as like my comic book. I would like a little bit more of that spectrum of that kind of like what am I relating to like. What's relatively this compared to But in this alternate reality. What's like actually go with this happy? Look like Tom an actual verse. None none no that'd be on the opposite when things too happy I don't give a shit mine is one. I have one okay And it's literally because of the movie The ending. I like them ending in the squid more than Manhattan Doctor Manhattan or whatever. You're talking about the explosion yet but I know we talked about in the car and now you're talking about Rohrschack Jack Explosion. Yes yeah what about sorry in the movie night. Owls there to witness it on book. He's is not discussion. They have inside. Osmond is thing before everything happens. Yeah not after it happens. Yeah it adds a little more weight to it. I mean I like the reveal that he's already done but it see having night owl. See it and that moment like shut up. That was active beautifully. Yeah and then having to discuss it before I it's just like it. Added another layer to it. Yeah and that's such a small Quam for me but it is one. Every time I read this I'm just like man that's really drops to his knees right. Yeah he's like Nah he takes his mask off and everything and it's just a really like shadows his accent out actually say the movies much more depressing than the comic about a film. You know I'm thinking about like characters actors and be plots and things like that like you start building this relationship between these two characters. Well Yeah and so it it needs a little bit of a send off so I think I think I agree with that whereas in the comic. It's just over in that story. You have you re mentioned it night. Owls starts talking about like the generation of worship it. Rohrschack is yeah and the fact fact that he dies alone is a very like sad end. Because it's kind of like this is the end of the black and white Delaney justice. We have to make way for new kind of peace. But the thing is Dan and Julie or Laura aren't even there to witness it kind of their so paralyzed by the fact that they are entwined in something that they can't even handle let me just take comfort in each other. Yeah and it's like so for me. It's that's my only fear and that's not even the comics. That's just Zack Snyder. Being a better storyteller at that that point I would say this though I did the comic ending where you find out that the two night Allen Silk Spectre go on to continue crimefighting. Oh Yeah I just at that moment much stronger and I always porvoo and it's just my own baggage again. If I had never seen the movie it would never be a qualm right but I did. Did so what it's doing is it. It's sort of like an setting you into like. What would it could have been like if he had been in the comic book that much like nightclub in AH check? Panic went on record being like. Yeah David Fisher. Yeah so that's that's my only one though Rate so who's I it's me do it cool. I'll go first week. I'll gophers this time since you did. Bad Boys For me it is a four point. Seven four seven. Tom I it's it it is almost it's pretty close to. I'd say it's four point seven five but we don't do that so it's in between four point seven for all actually we do. And you've given me shit because I yeah Josh. We haven't done it for a while. I don't WANNA I don't WanNA start it back up again. We haven't done it for months and months and months but it's between four point seven report point eight but I'm trying to think of all the comics that I've read and stuff I would put higher than this so four point seven. I feel safe five. Yeah I got you.
"alan moore" Discussed on Nerd On! The Podcast
"Of shots inside of Mohawks House an apartment and it literally goes from one frame is red next one's blue do next one's rednecks ones blue. I thought that was such a beautiful aesthetic choice and to me that's something in filmed I love. It's like a stillness that happens to cut away. You'd think that happens in between action and so it kind of gives this breathing like something like the normal world. Shitty things are happening inside. Yeah just little details like that really allowed me to feel what it might have been like which was and I'm Kinda curious because I I feel like this is for this particular book I feel like the colors are different than I'm a usually see what this style of art like. They're like the blues and the Pain Similar S. tells more pastels. I feel like it was a different experience. Then reading more vibrant yet much more violence or them looking for much more vibrant than comics that I would oh in this kind of subject matter where it's like dark and grim in British style of of concrete art. Oh it's like looking. Yeah yeah so the the colors were much more vibrant which I really again that that does make this book pop? I think that's definitely a choice because as you know. This is the same time that like Chris Claremont and all that like I mean earlier Chris Claremont was getting to the exponential at that. So we definitely had like the cool raw actiony looking stuff. I I mean like so just even the point of like having the happy face as a symbol like they picked that because they knew that that was the most iconic form of happy cartoon right Homolka and to throw a bloodstain bloodstain on like catch wherever. It's fucking blood. It's human beings human being juice and it was catch up and they do that it was kind of just like you know there. There's symbolism of like you know the face being like the clock of the Doomsday clock and show it that five minutes to midnight which is the end of the world. And how. That's I think the art style like what Josh you're saying like they're using this older form. This poll up to actually talk about really heavy stuff. So like eh point you like. You don't feel so depressed because like your crown just watching like you're reading it's still I still like it. It's still just because it's so dark and drab it's tough to get through and I mean like things I I love. How like even at the age invites? I am the one whose I'm trying to take the way of this awful sin and he has his hands in the fucking like Crucifix Reserve Pose and it's like he definitely feels the way of like he just took the lives lives of millions of people and like everyone has their own problem. And it's like showing that like yeah heroes can do wonderful things and the one thing I loved it about. It's all these humans humans and then one God and it's like all of them are all human and they're all tr they the only really extraordinary thing that ever happened and then was put on suits and then like they decided to become heroes and then all of their later on an diving in of seeing like why like what makes them who they are so I would Dan. It's kind of like he like whoa happily kind of retired. But then now that he's retired he realized like those were the glory days and like even then at the end of the book where the newspaper Guy and then burn ernest Beaux Bernie's martyr like is like you guys are all wrapped up in fantasy and stuff like that like you. Don't even see what's happening in reality and that was a choice. I like Com- books. They are reading were MM PIRATES because in that world superheroes are so commonplace. Yeah Yeah it was boring to read about thirty thirty their life and so it's kind of a cool thing where like you're you're doing a lot with the Subject matter as well as building your own world and also seeing how the realistic impact of it has shown throughout the two point actually have like the boys is kind of inferior version of what is technically. Everything is so it's really hard. Act follow like even kick ass as kind of commentary on that but even that doesn't do as well yes this and like that's just a different shade of it you know it's like it's a commentary difference for Vine and alike. Yeah boys they actually have powers and they yeah they. They tackled different topics. Like you know it's a much more heavily about superhero powers specifically in the boys and then it's what about. This is a bit more like deep character and stuff which they do touch on in in Boys in the boys and it's funny enough like not to spoil the boys but ah the homeland character is. Kind of more. In line with watchmen stuff and I in in Dr Manhattan stuff. And that's and that's the character that I'm drawn Toronto. Most in that show so it's interesting but that's I saw I saw the losses. Go off in my brain. It's because I had this you said kick ass and then it reminded me of like a very specific period of my life where some of my friends were being superheroes for a little while there. It was actually a band of people that were dressing up in costume and putting on masks to like hide their identity and then being vigilante heroes they would do everything from like and I think they were based out of Chicago But they would have like full like reliable armor gear on and they would go literally fight crime or pass out sandwiches to the homeless list. There's there's one thing going on the black dude who's like super famous. I like being a hero and stuff like that right. Yeah I remember in the news when When kick ass was coming to theaters I remember it? Really served Where people are like? Oh this isn't new people are doing doing this. Yeah and and I felt like this This sparked that at my brain again but also I feel like it really captured the like those people who are doing that now or back then like is this how they're gonNA feel ten years from now of like I mean that's the thing about this child issue is blah. That's the thing about so expect her when she says like no matter how grim the past is it only looks brighter and brighter while the future looks darker and dimmer. Yeah and it's like yeah. The glory days are gone for you and then Hollis is the same thing where like. He's nothing but Rigali Rigali pretty much with Dan. He's just like I'm fucking. Loser had nothing to do with hang out with my fucking predecessor but he eats it up yeah and like also like his book gave him some sense of claim but he always asks the did you. Did you read it. You know like yeah holding onto the past it's just as futile as like seeing a drab future uh-huh and so like trying to make it something new is is up to you. That's why like Dr Manhattan is almost like it's such a strange kind of thing where he's experiencing time all at the same time where it's like. He's kind of present in the moment but also present and well and that's the thing where it's like. He's a prisoner of that fact because he he thinks everything's preordained but is the chicken egg syndrome where he's like. If I do this it just goes back to time. Like he doesn't feel like time can change. Even though he goes in relationship bike he receives the end of it. So it's like was the point. The tacky on thing was definitely a favorite part for me where he was like. It's muddled getting really like I have to tell Laurie nights nights like sixty seconds ago or something like that where he's like. I better follow him in and then like it happens. And you're like Oh my God. This is so cool. I loved all of the time skippy. Sti- them I do like a lot at the end of the book and the chapter where they have an excerpt from like a celebrity The Bob Dylan's really got me and also the woman sign though. Worry he says if I had known what was come to pass. I would come watchmaker. Yeah Yeah and I was like Oh man and also it goes pardon part and parcel with Korea. Now we're talking about that. Wally was times like even Albert. Einstein had arguments his wife. Some Normal Guy Talking About Osmond on John John Madden like who God. He's still has arguments with his wife if he doesn't know how to he's still human he doesn't know how to stimulate her. He doesn't know what he's doing and it's like well. Also he like cheated on his original girlfriend with Lori Ran. Are you still human Subaru superfly. He cheated on her with a sixteen year old. Yeah and so there is a lodge. Because he knew it's going to yeah himself from anything happening except when he dried lorries is and then they left. It reminds me of a concept of quote like Seeing the future where people say that. Oh I can see the future or whatever. I think it's been presented in movies movies or something like that but it it's basically like you see the future as it is now if you continue going away Carol. Yeah if you continue the way that these that wasn't exactly what I was in this case it is just Christmases or can is. Is there still time to change this zone grape. It's it's not a new concept but But while the Dickens Charles out with Doctor Manhattan it's like he's again with the human aspect of his his personality is like he probably could change. What happens if he changed his actions so anyway? Yeah but at the same time he only knows about it because because he's experiencing it he doesn't really know it's a weird catch twenty two. Yeah he kind of knows the future but he doesn't at the same time because he's also just experiencing it in that moment woman so in the moment he's not aware of what's really happening. He's aware of all of the Times but he's living to him. It's not like he couldn't have stopped. The comedian comedian from getting stabbed and shooting. That girl because it's happened guests to experience it first. He can't stop it because if you stopped never experienced when Laurie was like she it's all happy. The driver again then he got mad about it but he'd already told me about it so I was confused because we hadn't because in that moment I would say this it's really hard. It's literally like if you're a two-dimensional being in realized that their dimension and just trying to figure that out while we were like hey you can do it you'll aw not.
"alan moore" Discussed on Nerd On! The Podcast
"We specifically went to an wrote down that it was nine to reference so new but favorite yeah But yeah that one I just is really like because that was the exploration of her as like her character and her coming to terms with like her father is but then like I really liked that it was really went into those like essential questions of like like. Oh life isn't special like like synopsis. You said he left to make life on other planets like what that's not a case issues left because he didn't think significantly significant event in well he said maybe I'll go make some of my own. Oh yes he says so yes. It is significant. Because that's the reason and why he finds connection to humanity because he says thermodynamic Miracle Right but then like towards the end where ever nine or whatever he there on Mars. And you're like look there's you you know there's no there. There are ninety there are cliffs that are ninety miles high. What a pipeline oil pipeline? Make this better you know woven eleven laurel starts losing the fascistic. I guess to your point like nothing really matters but then she starts crying and then he opens and says you are my only connection to humanity and realizing realizing that out of circumstances at other people and thousands of sperm from that people end up making. You can't say realization like a woman who made love to someone that she can only hate made you menu and so it's like yeah it's like girl to hear that but tiny notice which could totally be just. It's like a random conspiracy theory but when Jon disappears into that little solar system into a cloud of smoke. That husband is looking over all all of a sudden I was like wait. Is He god that made like the universe like Earth. Did he like have a time. Switch and go back and create and create the events that led up to now. What does he do in the first issue or in that issue where he says if I had never been born? My Dad was ever watchmaker. If I never gotten that thing is that the fact guy is at the watch is is it this which one came first exit really matter. So that's what I mean like. Did he just have this moment. where he's like I'm glad I made this. Let's do it again. Like could be because he also like disappears in the little things that immediately I thought of the Snow Globe that Lori brought up so I'll say this on the table if you're watching on Youtube I have doomsday clock which is DC sequel to. What this very so once? Vertigo got rolled into DC continuity. They're like cool. What do we do with the characters and Geoff? John's fucking fucker wrote these But to hell on to do it but also at the same time. Hbo Ran by Damon. Lindelof show and these are two the different sequels both good so whether you want to do the comic book sequel or You wanted TV Siebel. They're both very good sequels and they deal with what happens after no uh-huh so I'm not GonNa say you're going to read them. Yes you're consult. I mean you both named both my favorite parts. Ah specifically though the the one where they're on Mars I mean yours is pretty silent the entire seasons I think that some of the most beautifully yeah chapter four with John and the picture is one of the most beautifully written comics. I've ever read especially as an adult but like the one with Whether on Mars and she's exploring the back story of the comedian I think it's a really wonderful wonderfully written reveal of like the hints are always there all along that he's your dad like especially when he's like yeah. You don't have her hair though if you look at the coloring bring. It's the same color his hair. And so I. It's interesting to get halfway through this book and now the comedian is one way and then just see this other side of him where he was very humanistic just trying to connect with his daughter. You see when a UH Mama Mama Specter Like but he was so kind to get kindness out of a man like that is everything. Yeah just like her. Yeah those that was the other fascinating part was Sally's attachment to the comedian Like like despite the events that transpired like that was that was also it just. It is such a good job of like just at the very end when she kisses the picture. Yeah it's still like such a great exploration this guy but also I get this guy though. Yeah because it's A. It's a very sensitive topic and they somehow or eleanor somehow nailed exploring in such a great way. I looked graceful way. Yeah Josh Bell System I was GonNa say another just purely from a visual. Standpoint is the basically destruction and rebuilding of Dr Manhattan Cool Find Walking around brain. I mean it was just so everybody back together slowly only yeah so that was that was really cool sequence of events of like especially like the people like. They're realizing what's happening. Just the the whole event is just I mean it's it's just a whole bunch of tragic events unfortunately but But it's such a beautiful beautiful story. Actually I I really like the Eh like the comedian. Actually like what he's done to everybody here and like I would say he has a flat arc through the through the The book and everyone's kind of affected one way or the other like Adrian in some sense respects him because he understands it actually all of them kind of respect the community even though he's a piece of shit yeah because I think Russia Gorriak says where he's like he understood humans indefinitely and chose to pair them and chose a show them. What Tru truly American? The thing is is that line that I can think Jeffrey Dean Morgan in the movie did very well. It's like what happened to the American dream. What happen this is it? You're looking at the American dream was like. Oh Aw God And it's it's I mean there's a lot of notion in the in the book where it's kind of like a rohrschack is fucking this piece of shit where he's like. He hates liberalism. He hates women and different ethnicities and he's racist and he's actually a self parody of himself because is he doesn't comp he never compromise but then he does compromise a lot quite everyone like fucking scum of the earth. But he's the one that smells he's the one that's living off people eating their food in their their beans and it's like you know. This is the audience surrogate to get to know this world. And you know Alan Moore winning record being like if you like if you relate to Rosiak stay stay the fuck away from me. You're missing the point completely. Oh but I will say I do fucking love that one line Adrian vite and then and he says I did it thirty five minutes ago in I just thought it was Terri. Lewis such gangster At the moment and I was just cuts back to post. Is that so gangster movie Roszak by the way because they got rid of all the racist and all the things that make him floral. Yeah Right Earl Jackie. Jackie Earle Haley Jackie. So he killed it but like that if you like the movie Russia that's fine but if you like this congregration we fucking wall. So you can feel insightful insight Kim but you don't want to be right if he's your hero. That's that's where I like Hannibal Lecter B. S. friend. That's what I mean. I don't want to be his friend at all a fair queuing. I and of course just as we're talking about actor who rohrschack bed One of my favorite scenes was or interactions interactions was rohrschack. Having the time with the psychologist I forget his name but at first when he's like it's a pretty butterfly Two people dancing thing. I feel those do so badly. Well I feel like it's it's one of the better depictions of like having really severe mental toll problems and then being around a bunch of people who like you know or just not GonNa get it so you're like it's fine. I'm fine don't worry about it if I explained what this is to you. You'd have nightmares mirrors for months. And when he does. That's exactly what happens things even if you read his notes. They go from being really eloquently. Written to suddenly the short sentences much like rush home wife is dead. A yelling at me again. And you're you're you're the first crack seems. Sounds like it should have been kovacs not rohrschack. Oh Shit starts right in the short sentences and then reject doesn't speak actually pretty intelligible. It's actually they really broken English. Yeah only Kovacs. He actually speaks creole. And only because I feel like Roszak this is totally completely side tangent. But like if he wasn't fighting for the side of good he would really great joker a joker would have killed him one day because of Orthodox mythology -nology joker the same kind of brutality. Oh for sure is a very good mirror image to jokers. Same thing about Adrian. I mean I would say he's a closer to the punisher. Yeah I could see very light. Say Adrian's right bad guy brutal. Thank God yeah. He's a gangster but I mean he can make easily make a great. I loved it. What if we shot? You just have to catch. It's the bullet and then I was like cakes. y'All shadow to the homes that out when I originally when I don't know so with Adrian Vite is as a kid didn't get it and I was like when we release the giants. That's fucked up as you get older as I read as older like yogurt like peace nonetheless. He saved the entire when they're talking to the war room about what would happen if the nuclear war happened and they lost the entirety of the east side of the US till Texas. I mean the lives accounted that way is half the pilots are. How many American lives right? And they're not even talking about like what Russia killing everything on the way and they're like Mexico will get brunt of it and all that kind of stuff not not to include the nuclear winter winner and weather changes and all that kind of stuff So at the same time like yes. It's the utilitarian. Methodology will but like. What did we get out of that? We got a apiece therapies as opposed to losing probably all of humanity so so well yes maybe not the greatest guy at the same time. I'm like as I got all those young currently his side but nonetheless and that's why Rohrschack died because he couldn't this is the opposite clear word nuclearized that's why Warsak died. Because he couldn't accept the fact that this piece that would usher a new age of people a stronger more loving world That he talked about the day to Russia. Yeah fuck sexist but also well. I mean that's the thing where it's kind of like you're not really supposed to. I think sympathize but more understand that someone who does this is highly traumatizing. Needs literally like like help. Yeah Yeah needs help and so it's trying to in like that's something on record that Eleanor's talked about like Doctor Manhattan Represents Superman Roszak represents Batman. What I what I will say okay? Is that worship has always fascinated me my favorite character. He's just I would design standpoint and from a character back story and just the tragically flawed person that he is he just he fascinates. He's a compelling character. Jackie O Haley and Jack. Sandra made him that way he he is. They got rid of all of this stuff. 'cause you're like you do have a really fascinating also. They said they didn't want to have like the probably the best character in the movie. Probably be like such terrible rebel. Purse are pretty Downer movie but No in have you ever. You've never read the before the watchman it does like small little like one shots of like the Of Roszak an night owl together and is really dope. Shot of watch of rohrschack uncover where he's like pulling his glove so fucking. 'cause it's like newer animation seven or New Orleans style. That's Dan talks about how Russia used to be used to be Super Nice really intelligible beautiful tactician tactician like. He was his tactics predictable which made him great and then he just one day just fucking lost it and then next find out what it was that that made him snap. Was that like kidnapping kidnapping thing. But I I mean there's so many little things in this aside from story just aren't wise that like Which I'm assuming is credit? Read it to Dave Gibbons as well as Alamar but mostly given the anytime there outside of Moloch right Milwaukee say the Rx sign that flashes so you get read Ed and then the blue and then the red which wasn't included in the movie but I thought was such a wonderful tone Especially being someone who lived in York and knowing exactly what that shit that Shit's about There's a lot.
"alan moore" Discussed on Nerd On! The Podcast
"Pinup girls like silk spectre who became Famous for other reasons and then you have pugh who are like Hollis night owl. Who went and made a book and then then left? The entire book follows worship trying to tell other members of the Crime Busters yet. Crime Busters Busters who are the successors of the old like old crew of superheroes. The minute man That there is a plot of mass killer killing people at this time. There is so so much tension that Russia and America going to go to war. Russia has invaded The Middle East. And it's only a matter of time before Nixon who is now running for his third term to launch onto nuclear missiles and wipe out half of the eastern seaboard So there's all this tension rising and you get to see this prism through Rohrschack size. WHO's not really ELEO fund wonderful character? But he's definitely take on the caped crusader active And there is dives into his psyche of. Why does he wear his mask? And why did Sally Jupiter. Starting other people you learn all their origin stories but all traumas yes but all comes to a head where we end up finding out that night owl and a Rohrschack the quote unquote dynamic. Duo find out. The plot is from Adrian. Vite the world's smartest man as he Mandy S. King of Kings is plotting to sue like pretty much. Create like a distraction to create an mom nuclear war. Create a common enemy So throughout this. It's hard time through all his other corporations. Finding a new island bringing these artists creating new lifeforms eugenics projects all this stuff getting people to think getting Dr Manhattan off. The board regained comedian after board. Making sure that other of the heroes are distracted. Doing something else he is going to teleport a giant squid in the middle of New in Manhattan and through that teleport Would kill the squid. Release a psychic blast and killed three million people By the time our heroes have figured that I'll I'll well. There are thirty five minutes too late already happened. It's already happened. He says I will not let my entire final stroke masterpiece. Plan go to waste if I had the slightest inclination to stop me. So hurry very happened. Sees this man in the world not self-proclaimed. Yeah yes but he is. Our team is the most powerful being on earth. Doctor Manhattan AK The Superman Aka. God Can do anything about it. He's too late because to him as he sees time Happening all the time he understands that time is always will we'll be and always has been one thing And it's also blinded from that event. Yeah because of Tacky owns And so by the time he gets there all the rest so the Crime busters fear like. Hey there's nothing else we could really do so as Russia Laurel Laurel Specic and and Dan driver realize that they're just to humans in the middle of something that can't control they consummate and realize that that's not lie for them. Rohrschack which document in Manhattan Very Happy About having sad but happy and Dr Manhattan. Who Laurel is the only thing really connecting to this world Realizes is like he has to leave. He's GonNa try to make new life on other planets and stuff like that and Adrian who much had quote unquote saved the world by killing. Three million. People is left alone much. Like a character. We'd follow in the book of the Black Freighter Yeah And do does not wanNA compromise in the face of Armageddon Real takes off his mask in the final moment of humanity where he chooses to be Kovacs instead of worship and doctrine Mahan kills him because he knows that the peace must sustain. Yeah yeah interesting thing about that. Which I love is the fact that like Rohrschack knows that it's the it was the right thing but he knows that he also has to? His world is black and white. Yeah he's like I have to go. Yeah and he goes and I know you have to stop me do it. He does not live in a world of grey where this the the end. The conclusion of this book is a grey solution piece and Before he died rohrschack he ended up turning a journal to the Frontier Zeman. And that wrote down all of his detective findings and when they find out that Russia Russia's no longer going to shoot missiles and now we have to take out those articles and columns. We gotTa Right Smith something else the open at the book and then the editor says leave it all in your hands And so it gives the audience a chance to say what happened. What do you want to have happen at the end of the book? And that's a ton all GONNA tired of. This is the longest that we have done honest. Yeah he tipped on six issue right and it's never considered a comic right. It's a graphic novel. I think it's considered a collared release. Comex yeah and then it's graphic novel second again okay The thing is it's a funny thing about it and I'll go a little bit into Allen more Wanted to he didn't know what he can do with it because he we had everything all laid out in Dave Gibbons actually is the one that like hey I this is what I've drones dream drawn drawn far and eleanor said like like. You're the only one that kind of understands what I'm doing. Yeah and so and then just before I get into the production so with twelve issues. It seems like this is typically the Longer issues than most the thicker the definitely a little thick. And so like I have in front of me. The sequel series at DC made That is actually. The events after watchmen. Okay Oh and within the DC Continuity Doomsday Clock Doomsday clock. Nice thirty forty days. He's Issue wow interesting. So let's get into the production. The publication is DC vertigo slash which is now DC black label which did V for Vendetta Sandman. One hundred bullets why the last man help. Laser writer is Allen more saga of swamp thing. Whatever happened to the man of tomorrow killing joke based on characters from Charleston characters which was bought by DC? The artist is Dave Gibbons for the man who has everything green lantern. Turn Dan Dare. The editors are Len Wein and Barbara Kessel. The original publication date was between September nineteen eighty-seven Nineteen eighty-six exum. Sorry in October. Nineteen eighty-seven the series order was twelve issues and copy sold two hundred fifty to three hundred fifty thousand copies upon initial release and another one hundred thousand in two thousand seven to now over one million copies. God kind of a big deal the luggage. Yeah he's he doesn't he makes money off anywhere If you ever look at anything adapted from watchmen it's only by Dave Gibbons Because Alan Moore was like I make it. I'm done I'm not here from I know. Yeah he doesn't make anything homemade's commenting off the same. Even those names on it. I think Dave Evans it's purely the sole creator from now well legally if his name's on it they have to be paying him. The things that get the writer can have it but then like legally he could say I don't know WanNa be contractually obligated to get any money from it. Wow because that's the thing we're going to research it. Yeah I think he was a one and done man and so that's okay I'm GonNa just open the crazy ass. Do More. So love the man like his one of his most recent things where he literally tried to wreak right genesis and was like like each war is like a spell and that's why I'm saying like he's like a like a self proclaimed like anarchist as well as like magician and like this. This book was written as an anti reaganism. Like thing and like his shit is so like you know I thought you would pulls out a flask. And like and that's the thing towards his shit is so on another level like the way he writes certain dialogue in other things. It's like Have you done that thing. Where like if you read this correctly you can say it will sound like the right thing but it's all spelled wrong right like sold like a games? Yeah so like saying like universal dimension but it's felt like universal dimension as like dementia nor you. He does that and a lot of times because he wants you to read it as if like you're viewing to universities at the same right. Wow and I'm like he's like he's fun from him he's like I'm giving you explanation and exploration at the exact same time and I'm like that she only thing he makes money off his the other. Well okay so I was like that. That man is a fucking like he's on another level like I think he like took a kitten deemed saw the eighth dimension was like I got to write about. You know what you've probably seen some shit that I'm not prepared to deal with you. Know Mind Mind cannot comprehend the the the link to that's it So yeah let's get an parts I you might okay. I'll just have the same. Hey Baby Thing popping off favorite chapter favorite trae favorite issue is when is a four. It's when Doctor Manhattan leaves to go to Mars. And he has the picture in his hand and it drops so really cool so the entire time where he's reliving reliving his life and then every once in a while he says the pictures in my hand the pictures that Seconds from the ground just to kind of hop on that that section I actually I liked it. Loved loved it so much that I actually went back and read at a time. The fascinating thing that I found about it was the tracking of events. I just loved that it was like it is the state and Boban will move back and then something else will happen and then it will repeat and then it is this. I like that gave gave you a lens to look at how Dr Manhattan perceives time because a lot of people who are like just fucking casuals now but people who just don't know The uncultured it's fine. You're accepted here to Is is that they the the the documentaries omniscient and he's not is this that he perceives time all at the same time And so like he can see his future he could see him dating somebody even even though the very end he sees them breaking up like and so like the thing where he's like. I see never wanting to lose you knowing I always will. Yeah and so in that sense of does give them a chance of like. I know things are happening the way they are and like I. One of my favorite lines is Later on another issue when he explains what time is he says. Time always has been always will be is you humans. Just choose to fixate on one edge of the time at a time I was like holy. Fuck fuck I also. I also love how. That part is almost poetic. It's almost like I'd love to take the dialogue and then write it out like a poem but I love the repetition of the line in the picture. Sure is falling Or something like that. I just I just dig it. I could probably put that as a tattoo on me and the picture is falling and say it's not too far from my favorite issues. She was just nine And that's coming back to Mars when Laurel and she. It's fine what happened now. We specifically went to an wrote down that it was nine to reference so new but favorite yeah But yeah that one I just is really.
"alan moore" Discussed on Nerd On! The Podcast
"Is going around. You guys know the reckoning is coming. They bring a knife to John's what's so waiting. I'm still waiting to they all right so now that that's over we're going to move on to our next sitting. Which is he completes spoiler of that? which is our initial reactions in our first impressions and I'm going to go first first and say I only read this way. I read it was because the movie is coming out and then I stopped. I was like I got to the point. Where like I think this is the point? Where like DOC Tommy died and Tom was born and I was like? I'm no longer going to be that guy that doesn't know what the fuck this is. Based off of and I read the book A meter fucking fucking mission. I fucking like put off homework and shit and I like read this instead. I like my grades dropped so I can read this. Pull the how corps we got through high school. Yeah High School and I did that for everything else. Was it like how how. How did you read it? Well I mean it took me years. He learned how to Redo like over over. The course of like I think three weeks at nights man and so like I mean did extracurriculars and I did not. I'm sooner but I remember like the night before we go watch. It was actually the like I turn the last page. I was like cool. I'm done and now I want to movie and I was like Dope but so would this book in itself Oh my God Definitely re reading it now as an older man It's definitely changed who I am and I'll just completely say this. And it's not going to be a spoiler for another sequence but When I was a kid I read it in one fashion and I thought it was cool? Who'll take on superheroes And then when I read as adult I realize no. This is a subversion of what superheroes are supposed to be this is a critical commentary commentary in a critique on how we absorb fantasy and shit like that and like what this is and every combat afterwards just decided to be this and like no. That's not what that was about It was kind of like hey look the dark knight and then everything all. It's all be the dark dense like that's not what that was about So reading this this now adult like I I love it more I have so much more of an appreciation for because of how many like weaving things are within thin- and eleanor definitely worked really hard to like again. Self proclaimed magician would say that he's these. These are spell books and what he does is. It's cast a spell upon upon you and so for me. I really adore what he and Dave Gibbons have done And I do sometimes feel a little bit of alum like I get it. I get why oh you would hate anything. That's not the book so I loved it. Yeah yeah I'm just seeing what. I just looked like who who gave them. Can't I literally just. There's big machines when they pulled a lot of numbers just in my head and that was the one that So I saw the movie movie I that was my first interaction with anything watchmen and that was many many years ago. Maybe maybe eleven years ago thousand nine maybe around then or after not sure so reading this all this time later was a very interesting experience experience which are get into a little later but it was it was really cool to read all of this and have all of the context and get more there are characters and also the like interplay like the inbetween stories. That you don't necessarily need you can gloss over whatever but they I just gave so much more depth so much richness to it. Yeah so when certain people go away like aw yeah so it. It was really fun like like my horizons broadened through reading this Joe fucking welcome. 'cause it's all up to tom the content manager. CEO Heartache. My first impression hated hated it. Hell Yeah Longtime ago when the Pyramids were still young. Is that how the yeah And I was first getting into comic books when they were making the mountains. Yes A friend of mine. I've mentioned him buzz. He was getting comic books and he and I had mentioned that. I wasn't really into superhero things. He's like no you gotta you gotta read this and all these different things like preacher y the last man all these kinds of things and he is not the comic you suggest to someone. Getting into comics shadow was into superheroes. Yeah yeah to buzzes respect. It was later on when I have had. I have read okay. Lots of comics by that time. And so I got into this and might not have been buzz actually am I have been like a comic bookstore owner. That was like you need to reap. I look out but you know what shadow anyway I read and I didn't dig it. I was incredibly board. That was my first time reading it. I have been thin been smacked trying I have read a couple of more times. And it's a much different take There's a lot more to it. Still don't hate. It was your next time reading after having seen the movie. Yeah I think so actually okay. Yeah no it was because it was in the past like five years and then I read it again for or this episode and he only heard Billy credit from that. Show your shadow but yeah it's a much different experience. There's a lot more to it. There's a lot more Lake City complexity that you're finding also more of an adult so the subject matter. Yeah but Yeah I mean initial impressions. Go Okay to be that hot. Take but that's fine. Thank you I hate it a lot of things when I watched him read them. Really For me I didn't really know much about this other than it was like the New York Times bestseller or it was on the list or whatever But I never read it until it was announced as movie and then I was like blown anyway by the trailer I think it was and I was like okay. Well I'm definitely seen this movie So let's go read the Comic Book and I did that and I really enjoyed it. I was pleasantly surprised with what it was and what it was doing. And I love that. It was simultaneously living in that Superhero space. And kind of making a work while also subverting it from from a conversational standpoint. And there's a lot of just remember a lot of really neat and cool ideas of like you're taking everything every possible topic. You know the the superhero that doesn't have powers than the one that does but like they're super appea- what do you do with that So yeah just really enjoyed reading it. The first time in reading it again I picked up on a lot. More of the A lot more more of that leg generous version stuff than I than I originally did because originally had an necessarily pick up on a lot of it just kind of like this is like this is what happened to this group of superheroes as opposed to it like the medically subverting it And I'm a lot more conscious of that just from eating more comics and also funny enough watching Or having to deal with my personal struggles with getting myself to eventually watch Amazon's the boys right right. No which which. I had a huge problem with. Initially I still is not my favorite thing because I think it tackles it from a point that I don't prefer But this I feel like this is where where the money is so to speak. When it comes to Superhero Mike? L. Tantalizing the commentary of like how it affects the life and also I'm a sucker for alternate reality. Alternate future future stuff winning Vietnam War more Nixon going third-term things like that. It's just fun stuff like that but I that I enjoy seem like what could have what you know what the alternative reality was. Yeah whatever crocs so a lot of really cool ideas and visuals are amazing well drawn. They've given baby. Yeah but paneling might be a little static and uninteresting sometimes but you know talk about more as we go by. Yeah I might have to fight for that story good stuff. Mine's pretty much the same as Tom's except that I read it after I saw the movie so had a great experience. Reason as a kid Areso reading reading as well like you know young adults and then reading again in preparation for this I read through it twice and it's just such a very other twice now. I read through it once before watching the TV series and once after watching the TV series And so I I have now had sold out. I have now had three separate experiences reading the same book. All of them very good but all of them for different reasons. Now so now that we're done with that Gives you a little heads up of what the ratings are going to be at the very end. We're GONNA move onto our next two sub segments which is going to be our brief synopsis. It's an production so brief twelve issues barreled. So we're GONNA see boy. Yeah right so we're going to do you this very fast and the thing is GonNa make a lot of mentions from the superhero genre but also this tastes place in the eighties with the Vietnam War. That's like a good basis like it takes place after the Vietnam War and we won because of superheroes So this entire story is about these several Subaru characters that were based closely around DC characters but also from characters that Allen More wanted from Charlton Comics But then this is how he examines them so what the entire plot starts out within our POV character rohrschack fi is investigating the murder of the comedian and out of that the community has been killed thrown out of a building and his identity is exposed. We later find out that. So far through this new world in New York The keene act happened and so all superiors had to retire. So we're playing in this world is you're in this debate the government. Yes so we're playing this world where there are rogue vigilante heroes. Rosiak their government listed ones like watch Like Manhattan and the comedian and one of them is dead. And there's other heroes who have went to retirement and some of them who've been outed outed by public companies so we live in a world where the smartest man Bruce Wayne lex Luther column created a big conglomerate. You have other ones who are like hot hot. You Know Noir..
"alan moore" Discussed on Collider Movie Talk
"I don't think we'd ever ever had a movie about like the oppressive nature of society. Do as well as the joker wouldn't translate look at Brooklyn motherless Brooklyn credible film that no one saw. I'd rather these movies have a little bit of Shiny Polish on them and get out there than not. That's fair and we move on here now to something a little more current. That's willing to post comments. This was through Indie wire was in an interview and They point out in the article that in May he refused to open up about working on Aquaman to them. Eric had written quote. Defoe's is is curled into slits darkened. When asked about Aquaman? I don't blame you. I don't blame you. Aspire he says Spiderman was great fun because remember this is what made his bones green. I'm doing independent films. I'm not discounting all this w but Green Goblin. What brought him really fully into the mainstream here? He said Spiderman was great. Fun Because Sammy he made that feel like it was a little independent film. Ironic this is what default was gravitating to and of course what he really made his bones on as an actor as independent cinema independent independent films but then he said about his time on Aquaman he did eventually open up or about the filming of Comic Movie Series. Said you have foam with some of the things you get to do. Because there's lots of hardware and there's lots of crazy crane shots and those kinds of things that's fun but stuff is over shot. They spend a lot of money. Big Set pieces. Because that's what delivers the action and I find them you too long and too noisy. But let's not get into this. I don't WanNa bite the hand that feeds me but no seriously folks look these. These aren't movies. I run to what I worry about. Is these those big movies. They need something to feed them. They need to surge and they need people pushing the boundaries that they can go forward because they're not the business going forward really there in the business of business and you can make beautiful things because they have a lot of resources so jay here at two separate points. He's trying to make here about this. One is that it's fun to be on these things but they are overshot. got a noisy. The second point is but you have to push the boundaries on them to keep this thing alive or else it'll just become a product. What do you think Spiderman Spiderman? Sammy Spiderman in two thousand. And I think this is before we started going to the big budgets. Are these superhero films here. Right so imagine if we had that budget then then it would probably be the same type of movie. I mean. It wouldn't be maybe as grandiose. We all know what Sony would have done but we would have been more in the budget and I legit that you're saying. Oh this is what this is. What feeds it? And it's it's the business and whatnot. Guess there's also a story embedded within comic books. Yeah that is the thing their source. I material that lends itself the property just as you have other novels that are translated into film and TV shows and whatnot. This is just happening this. It just happens to be a medium where everything is action based it's action based yes there's a story but it's action based so in order to get the best return on the best this translation of it. You have to have this big loud thing do this. You have to have these shots that shows some way to bring this. Wow this whole world came to be again we talk about the the vendors you talk about even just as the world of the two of those superheroes together those gigantic thima against these outer worldly forces. If you will that can't be done. I'm like an independent film. It just cannot be done that way and again you are in aqua man bro calm you are about to do awful man to it is going to be allowed them. You thought the Technology James Wind us in Oakland man one was something. It is almost similar to US waiting on James Cameron for Avatar for saying so he had to get that. Yeah I hear you J you make excellent points over real quick just to clarify by two thousand two. Aren't you know one hundred thirty nine million dollar budget. That's a very expensive in a Senate Phil especially into a two million dollars hundred over eight hundred million worldwide. So what do you think when you hear these comments do you. Do you agree with Jason Degree with. I think they're just did a billion dollars things things in different tonality and I think that it's not a format it's a it's an entire broad strokes concept superhero movies aren't one thing and if anything can show that it's a common versus the joker same studio same same same so many parts and they couldn't be more different and someone that makes pasta doesn't walk around yelling about someone that makes really good green beans. I don't understand why we're living in a world where people can appreciate the difference in art like people that are subway. Artists aren't mad at post like they're all different formats very similar things. I appreciate the lighthouse. It's not something I would watch like ten times whereas if I'm wanting to zone out and have a beer watch apple man. So I think they have different merits of. I want to be intellectually stimulated. I'll watch something else or I'll watch the joker because that fits both. But I'm not gonNA ever despaired someone else making art so I think Willem Dafoe smart to send them probably later than it should've but I do think it's a really tricky time to be judging anyone else making anything and movie theaters are GonNa close down if we don't have these movies. These are the movies that keep theaters open right. Now it is inbetween properties. The theaters really slow. I went to the movie the other day and I was the only one in the house washing motherless Brooklyn they press player but they lost money on that I guarantee the electricity was less than price. My ticket at. That's dangerous and that's not good so they keep saying they're killing cinema. They keep saying the running people a lot of cinema. They keep saying all these things there's too much. TV CONTENT FOR PEOPLE TO WANNA go out. There's too much good quality long-form streaming people to want to leave the house. We need to bring something to the theater. That is big enough to warrant the twenty dollars. They're going to spend or more and driving. They're getting out of their car. Going out packing up the kids so keep movies like this existing and then also the the other movies. We'll get to exist as well. I don't want theater die. Let me let me see your phone for a second to me. This is many people steelers. Yeah this is many people's theaters now. The idea of going to a theater house. A movie cinema does not apply in general anymore. There are some yes who are watching this Joe. I still love going to the theater order and that is that is what people are going to do. But as a whole we've gotten to that point now where people would rather be at home or if they do it. It's like okay. What's the event Ford? Unfortunately yeah every movie. He's not an event but this is never this. Isn't anything new either what you have yes. We have the blockbusters now I get that but at the same time we had movies where it was an event the people to go see and there were still other films that were considered under seen in Phil in theaters. Yeah I it just seems to me that this there is this it's almost Very very correlated with Mark Hamlin. Last jet I right. He's actual feelings would bleed through these comments and then we take it back and then he flare up with another comment about it and then have have to take it back again and I think this is what happens. These people get involved in these movies if their if their principles are really a strong as they claim they then they shouldn't be doing he's moving is nice. That paycheck makes it work. So yes I'm not. I'm not trying to insult anybody. We gotta live in this world but we also got to take responsibility for our actions and I feel like if an actor goes into these movies especially Willem who's been in Spiderman movie who has come back in in flashbacks or whatever and then also. So in this aquaman movie that made a billion dollars. I'm sure this is those kinds of things. You got sick responsibility for. Look whatever your feelings are about these movies. You're in them so y and coming back saying oh I don't want to bite the hand the feeds me that to me is like well you got to pick a side and I feel like to me. He played both sides in this in this comment being yes overshot there. It's fun but they're overshot noisy. I don't want them to push movies out the public. Does it not the movies. It's supply and demand if you put a bunch of Superhero moves out. Nobody went to see it. Guess what the public doesn't want superhero movies but if you put a bunch of independent films out there and they do get some kind of screening. Do we see posters things of that nature feature and nobody goes to see them. What can I tell you? It's capitalism it's supply and demand. This is a business. I've said this a million times people forget like people forget like people always say well you just comic book fans and let's say no I like movies is just one of the genre's in meetings. I grew up on as a child. Is Now my biggest thing to watch on. TV and Phil Right. What is that my fault because I liked that? No because guess what I still like other action films. I Still Watch for drama. I still watch horror movies. It doesn't matter. It's just the one main thing I've gravitated to since my childhood is now prevalent for me. I was downright proud. That Ford versus variety of the did this well this weekend. Because I thought it wasn't going to and when it exceeded all expectations. It gave me hope that there was a chance to have a slower. Burn actual practical action drama on the big screen and the fact that it made way more than people expected shows that things things aren't as data's people are claiming and it's not anywhere close to a superhero film and it wasn't advertised incorrectly. It wasn't it wasn't no one was pandering that movie so these things can still exist. That's practically high budget. India that movie indecent and it's incredible and here's breaking news independent films that were good and nobody went to see has been happening for decades decades dawn.
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"Hello the Internet and welcome to this episode of afternoon design. That is courtesy. Erin winking AK right. Yeah I think I think he did the Brokaw and I gave credit to another person so mobile add miles therefore things trending right now now that the people need to know about okay five okay. So let's just tick through on real quick Chick-fil-a Hashtag Chick-fil-a Yep would what they do they. I think have said officially. They're no longer giving money to anti. LGBTQ groups okay so okay fine. Is this the first time that we've seen like I've heard of change being affected through like a Bernie Sanders will make Hillary move left on. Is this the first time we've seen that effect effect from just a really great chicken sandwich from Papa. I think so. Yeah it must be because they are screwed I think they I mean but when you think about the health of their business business clearly that wasn't a concern for most consumers based on like how aggressively chick-fil-a is expanding and how well their businesses still doing. But I think maybe they're just SORTA like cowdery remove every barrier to entry for people to like Brandon. If that means we have to not give to people who are going to tell you that you know being an athlete through Christ is the way to avoid the you know the fruits of data man. Yeah I was. I was one of them back in the day fellowship of Christian athletes. Yeah in Kentucky. That was the best run after school. And what it means the best run on the Best Lake pickup game. Oh really yeah. And it was the only one that was like my school's gym by virtue of By default me not being able to get anywhere else. I mean yeah. I think it's good for them. I think before the fellowship on Chick-fil-a ask things why those areas you told us Were quite jarring button. I think with them I I. I think the the company proper was donating and then like we stopped doing that but the foundation was still giving so now. I think they've completely ceased right so it shouldn't have been that hard of a thing to do. I think towards the end. It wasn't that much money but I you know what good aren't move. Move the culture but The Pie was better. It is better than any chicken sandwich. wow I've ever tasted high hopes taking your mother's heart even mine not I didn't say Chicken Salad Ma. High hopes trending that is the so long that people dance to in a manner such as in accordance with what the team Buddha judge was doing yet at the peak. Summit the pizza. Yeah the fuck is that it is. I don't know I think it's Just in general looks like a group. The organizers were gathered. I think that's not really as relevant as like it was look one of his. Staffers Abuja's staffer was showing that from this. I guess over the weekend. They had a pete summit so a lot of supporters doing this panic at the disco song dance and choreography geography. I mean much. JABBA walkies. Yeah we were just talking about job but team. Buddha judge might become a for your neck with some of these moves they were waving their hands ends. They were clapping. Yeah all in line. Yeah I mean good good on. y'All was their music. All there was music. I couldn't even hear there was high hopes. Okay okay. There's just so weird but I mean and just doing like it looked like Like an aerobics. Class IT haunts. Exactly what because the choreographer react look a little better than that. Some people had look some people definitely add honey in their hips. Yeah they were doing it. and others looked like they were getting their exercise. Yes it was among and there's some of the latest dancing I've seen since a lot of people are just taking the time to absolutely flam Bay people video swampers. The trump is going to be president from one hundred Team Buddha Judge Baby. The high high hopes high hopes Elmore is trending and he had a fire. Take down of superheroes in popular culture. Basically clean that sounds like I don't know if Damon Lindelof like read his takedown Superhero Culture When he was making king this watchman show for HBO because it takes? It anticipates a lot of these critiques. Alan Moore says I think that a good argument it can be made for. Dwi Griffith's birth of a nation as the first American Superhero movie and the point of origin. For All those capes and masks why how. And it's he's basically talking about how there's like sort of a a not subtle undercurrent of white supremacy coursing underneath a a lot of these master race superstrong. Yeah Yeah who just come in and say of all the pro like save us all from our problems right right. You don't have to do anything. We just looked their stand back and look grateful I mean Linnea Lindelof was convinced that Alan moorehead cursed him. Oh yeah because he was just like. I don't know what it is. I just felt felt that things I was feeling certain way and I could feel Alan. Moore's disapproval wash over me and he's like I could also be completely delusional and self centered and to try to assume that the feelings I'm having because one person is so obsessed.
"Going to be a podcast her everyone laughed at me well no one's laughing now and Stewart and this is the host who always has negative thoughts Jacob joker a movie that I could not believe have the height around it that it did I can't recall the last time a superhero film was Ben so polarizing I mean people worried about shootings in theaters people saying Joaquin deserves an Oscar yeah it was all over the place coming out of Toronto Oh this is going to be the film of the year it's going to get all the Oscars and then Todd Phillips director opens his mouth and got a lot of backlash for what he thought we're comedy was these days yet all the place with this film that said I got to say this one took me by surprise I assumed that DC was in free fall. I mean we have all commented on how their output has been inconsistent can we all agree at best putting it nicely right that they have not had the scene unless nece that the Marvel Universe has been able to bestow on all of their works when I heard they were doing a one off joker movie I was like that sounds like a bad idea story are you getting those marvel paycheck saying they're in free fall I mean wonder woman made one of a billion dollars off man made a billion dollars what kind of free was that will somebody say well I don't care what the hardcore people think the truth of the matter is a lot of their movies have stone DOC and they've not consistent the fact that we have a one of joker movie this joker that we're told will never appear with Batman what the hell are they doing marvel would never do that is what I guess I would say sure but I don't mind that like what is the best spider man film Spiderman entered the spider verse like that is not connection to the m. c. you or what Sony is doing with Tom Allen's spider manoeuvres etta any of that so I don't mind a one off if you can just pull off a good movie I don't care if it's in any kind of continuity villain standalone movies making a Superhero movie without a superhero has not been something I've thought has worked before I mean Holly Aries cat-woman Tom Hardy thinom they could never figure out how to do sinister of six I mean you could even probably throw the Star Wars prequels into that concept having the super villain story told without a counterpoint of heroism where's our entry point who are we supposed to be with and what are they going to accomplish the you mentioned marvel I think that DC here is taking a cue from Marvel's newest acquisition Fox Todd Phillips talked about how it took a lot of convincing at Warner Brothers to let him do an R. rated joker movie but that was the only thing he was pitching and he's literally hearing responses from Warner brothers like we sell joker pajamas at target what are you going to do to our character that might hurt Pyjama sales and look at the roads that deadpool paved and I think even more specifically logan going more dramatic and being R. rated you can't beat marveled by playing Marvin those game the way you beat marvelous by making your own Fox did that and nobody is even see new mutants because nobody knows what to do with it again the X. Men horror movie yeah they've experimented sometimes those experiments have been successful I'm just saying approaching this project hearing the we're going to do a one off film about the region of joker seemed like a waste of time I was not excited about this movie at all until I saw the trailer Yeah Al admit I mean after seeing what happened to jared Leto in jokers role in suicide squad. We'll see at that movie he doesn't think he was in that movie enough he's got a scene it was not overly excited to see what they would do with joker now what I will say is somewhere at this very moment jared Leto has pissed Yeah Joaquin Phoenix get attached this because that's what I would have gotten excited you know he's one of those actors like Tom Hardy who's like a Nicholas cage who is just going to make some decisions and go with them they could be czar. They could be captivating like that trailer yeah they really tapped into Martin Scorsese in that taxi driver field but I was even more excited about Joaquin Phoenix playing this role and should be pointed out he is the man that would be doctor strange he has quartered comic book movies before and walked away saying this is not really for me why do this one he was also offered the role of Bruce Banner the reason he didn't do them he didn't WanNa sign multi picture contracts he didn't want to do what Chris Evans and Robert Downey junior did where the next seven years of your life you're working basically as a day player for marvel here it's a one picture deal and the ways they got him on board for this one it was Todd Phillips again Joaquin was connected from the very beginning and the Pitch Phillips gave him is we're going to make a real movie but we're going to get warner brothers to fifty million dollars for it by calling it fucking joker yeah how did Todd Phillips and doing this because I've seen a lot of his films old cool that hangover trilogy these are not things that I associate with a Gritty New York Scorsese style film you saying that and coach when I look at this filmography I hadn't seen most of what he meant. Yeah they're bad comedies well he makes kind of comedy I don't patronize the I'm not ever interested in watching skin hutch that's just not something I'm going to see I did see war dogs which I actually thought it was a little underrated I thought it was pretty good it's okay yeah kind of fell apart at the end yeah thought it was decent as well and it was four dogs that actually got this happening as he was at an early screening of war dogs with Warner brothers and realize is is exact phrase was war dogs wasn't going to set the world on fire as so he started talking to Warner about what could we make that's going to really get attention and do a little bit more be a little more provocative look way down on his resume his first film and you might actually see why he really got the Gig I was doc I didn't realize I had always heard about this documentary about the punk icon singer G- yeah I did not know top Phillips did that I have seen it ooh those are some live performances you wanna be careful with he strips down throws a species tough stuff to watch yeah I watched the movie I was like Oh I've always wanted to see it this gives me an lent reason it may be the closest of all his films to joker it begins with an actual endorsement from John Wayne Gay see another killer clown so yeah brutal I don't know that I'm telling people I recommend that experience be prepared I don't say this lightly it is very punishing it is very hard set is provocative and ways a lot of people probably want appreciate but you can't see a director who's very much trying to confront a freak entertainer and I do think at a core G G Allen and joker are two sides of the same coin so I would be interested to see a guy that came from punk rock bring a punk rock aesthetic to of joker movie if we must Gotcha Joker Origin Story. I WanNa say though I'm hesitant because I mean I always liked the way Keith Ledger played it how did I get my scars there's a danger and telling US definitively how joker came to exist right. There's something about the mystery we want to leave I've always liked the mystery the funny thing and you can go back to books and Nachos where in our talks about the killing joke written by Alan Moore the joker says I always change my story but here's the version I'm going to tell of my own gin and they tell an origin story and then just as origin story we're just GonNa make that the real thing but yeah I've always preferred him to be like Batman rewritten so obsessed with origin Martha Thomas Wayne Getting Killed and the pearls and walking out Zora all of that that has been told so many times joker being the opposite of Batman I liked that you just this mysterious chaotic clown figure that comes out of nowhere yeah I've definitely was thinking the killing joke when watching this and how it took elements of that in that Comic Book Joker was a failed stand up comedian who was kind of down on his luck in a rundown older Gotham city but I came in I think we might be seeing virtually and adaptation of the killing joke minus all the Batman stuff no they definitely go in a different direction with this but it gave them a good starting point and joker said he likes his origin story to be multiple choice. DC is having both ways they're gonNa make their continuity multiple choice switch movies do you want and continuity go ahead that's weird for me that we're seeing something that I should not think of as a comic book movies essentially what they're telling me don't worry I'll have nothing to do with Zam Aquaman wonder woman and all of that I mean did they even have that DC logo they have that old school Warner Brothers logo show up no DC logo okay and yet I mean it's not just your average comic book movies this movie's doing bigger than a lot of films I mean it's opening bigger than the average thor film it's maybe not topped here it's not spiderman but I'm not really it's no atman though it's beaten that man right yeah this is going to have a ninety million joining in the US. The biggest October release of all time is it Halloween in the mood for something kind of scary after it we want another killer oh but it's shocking to me the box office for what essentially feels a little art film is so huge and that it's rated R. You can't get teenagers in which is where marvel makes its money is they are aiming specifically at thirteen to seventeen year old market with their PG thirteen films and yes adults can like it in younger kids can like it but they're keeping that content for a rated R. Film in an error where in my experience it's much harder for young people to get into a rated R. Film that it made this much money is shocking to me I expected it to do well I didn't expect it to break venoms record
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"Hey everybody welcome over boo podcast about the books you've been meaning to scream My name is Craig Putnam Dead My name is Andrew's go welcome do spook Tober you're welcome to our muth annual Spook schober celebration of all things spooky and creepy like Pumpkins and okay and mummies and flu shots ooh please get your flu shots if you can because not everyone one gas hair free in a lot of places or a very low co-pay Andrew we read books and for the month of October we try to pick books that are spooky or spooky adjacent and we have one such book this week what did you read I read the graphic novel Slash Comic Book Depending On Your School of thought from Hell is written by Alan Moore and illustrated by Eddie Campbell and this is a Patriot recommendation from Tony Thank you Tony Tony in Tony with I I don't know if that changes a Tony Tony wrote in and said you did a great job with watchmen that was episode sixty and I think this would be an interesting to read having some background with Alan Moore the book is Super Long but it is a graphic novel so it goes faster than you would think it is pretty long so it's chapters is it was published originally serially between nineteen eighty nine and ninety six I think with an addendum published later the aid and then various collected editions published since then and I I think gum Eddie Campbell is working or was recently working on a new Noor is diversion that may or may not be finished now I read the original black and white which is kind of important to the style I've got some stuff about that we can talk about later but it is several chapters you referred to this book or teen fourteen chapters plus a prologue plus an epilogue you said less a million footnotes and appendixes and stuff where they describe law their choices those I didn't get into because I didn't have time but I have read the full the length of the the rest of it yeah you sent me a picture that and said this book is dummy thick is what you said I did say that now the reason that there are footnotes let's and Extraneous details in the back of this volume are probably because it is about Jack The ripper Tom and HAL being a reference to one of the few existing letters that anybody thinks might be real yes so the title is from the from Hell letter now that okay so we should back up we'll talk about the authors in a second let's talk about Jack The ripper for for a hot minute right a bunch of people well in the in eighteen eighty eight I think was the main ear that he operated and there were other subsequent killings opened in eighteen nineties and I think the nineteen thoughts but people are not really sure whether those were all the same person like the the the only five off killings that were the five killings yes that are canonical considered to have been done by the original quote Jack The ripper happened between estate November of of eighty eight I think yes and was done in the White Chapel district in the east end of London Anders right there were eleven eleven ish victims five are considered quote unquote canonical We don't really know I picked up that word by jack the ripper dot org which seems like it may be shouldn't be dot lurk just a really great organization they do a lot of good work yeah and ripping folks now there were you know the all of the women almost all the women that were killed were prostitutes in the east end of London and most of the murders involved some sort of mutilation or You know not just a life attack other stuff was involved though there were a couple women who died in this timeframe that we don't know if they're related or not right and the title of this book comes from the from Hell letter that was sent to a man named George Lusk of the White Chapel vigilence committee because and this is nineteenth century London so it's the vigilance committee neighborhood of White Chapel and it was accompanied by a part of a kidney and the letter claimed that the writer of the letter ate the other half you siree got on Mr Lusk Sir I send you half the kidney I took from one woman in preserved it for you to other piece I fried and ate it was very nice I may send you the bloody knife that took it out if you only wait a while longer science and catch me when you can Mr Lusk mister policeman I gave you all the clues so one reason okay so major component of the Jack The ripper like mythos and the reason why people still write about it now and I think the reason why it's still continues to capture the popular imagination is one guy was never caught like there are a lot of theories by the guy was never caught two it was one of the first like international sensation serial killer cases shirt like this is a big deal that was was heard about round the world and then the third thing was has there was just this huge media circus surrounding it because everybody wanted in on it I guess like there were just there are thousands of love fake letters that were written to the police that made it almost completely impossible to actually like follow up on any real clues and really muddy the waters and made it hard to heart defined who it was there's another like the other most famous letter and one that is referenced in this book is the dear boss letter yes which is commonly held and and in this book that you know this this book in a lot of places is just like choosing a possible version of events I'm like existing ripper allergy think it's awful yet is called ripper Olivetti and I've seen forums us like ripper all adjusts and ripper news lists you know at in this in this book the version of events they choose to go at is that that was fabricated by journalists in a in a an attempt to capitalize on the Public Inter- oh season five of the wire okay sure sure yeah there are like over a hundred suspects one dude who was doing a really good job performing jekyll and Hyde was once considered a suspect in the nineties a dude wrote a book that maybe it was Lewis Carroll Sir Arthur CONAN doyle advanced a theory that it was a woman who might have been working with these women and killing them and then this past March there was a review of a paper that most people leave his garbage saying that it was a Polish barber named Aaron Kaminsky I found an article about this on our Technica by aged Jennifer let and there's like DNA evidence belonging to a shawl that was maybe one of the victims but the DNA oven says like a hundred years old and and the only thing that makes it makes sense is that like Kaminsky was sent to an asylum around the time that the murder stopped so it must be him. There is a addition to this book that's included in collections of it now that more and Campbell did called a dance the goal catchers which is basically a comic overview of some of the many theories at how the waters have been muddied over the years and they actually I read interview with with Campbell who is talking about the colors of the thing and he says he's talked on and off with more about doing a follow up to that because in the thirty years since this book came out there have been a lot of new things that have that have happened but yeah it's a pretty good overview of just like not only were there all these like contemporaneous things that might be the waters there were like you know deathbed confession from criminals who who claim to be Jack The ripper there are accounts from like witnesses or people who are involved in the case many years later who who said things and who knows if they're true or not like it's a it's a whole thing sure and the the other thing I'll I'll add to the like murder background stuff is that it did get a lot of people paying attention to this portion of the city which was widely disregarded as kind of a lost cause that nobody knew about and because it was sensationalized in the papers people of greater means at higher society started paying attention to conditions that people were living in and did like end up performing some of it a little bit George Bernard Shaw wrote whilst we Conventional Social Democrats were wasted in our time on education agitation organization some independent genius has taken the matter in hand and by simply murdering and disemboweling women converted the proper I terry press to an inept sort of communism that happens in this book to word some activist people talk about how sure these these horrible murders of done more to to draw the attention to the plight of these women in this neighborhood than thanks before we take our it's not technically I don't being adapted into a television series I think the TV series is supposed to be like later on kind of things but as far as no like all the subsequent watchmen stuff has been done without the allman correctional authors yeah he but so he does there is like because there's a TV show and Ed v for Vendetta he had a big run on swamping and he's partially responsible gets a lot of credit for the kind of modern quote unquote more mature or grittier graphic novel comic thing he had set up an independent pub with his with his wife and mutual love partner called mad love which unfortunately later disbanded when they both left him and right after that happened is when he started working for Taboo which is the label that published this book which was like a horror outfit I think it originally published the first parts of it and then they and then they published the rest a series of Semi Autobiographical Comics called Alec or Alex Series in the seventies and he hooked up with more through the guy who was running taboo citing that art style fun fact he is married to the author of the time traveler's wife which I didn't know now the reason why the reason why I would know that but it was kind of neat little that's a book I always think about sometimes you always think about well time you kind of everything is that's the that's the spookiest thing of all right as time yes correct anything else you WANNA say about the author's before we get into the book Andrew No I don't think so we can talk about Campbell and Moore's styles both in the context of the of the Book I think that's the that's the main thing to discuss with both of them I think is just like what they're known for and what they bring to the project sounds good to me let's take a break.
"alan moore" Discussed on Chapo Trap House
"The. Everybody. It's well, I'm coming to you from Manchester over here in the UK. But here's a special treat for you guys on the phone me right now, I'm joined by Alan Moore Alan, how's it going? It's going, great will. And Hello, everybody. So I'll in I guess I want to begin here. So we're here in Manchester right now. But we came up here from London the other day, we did a couple of shows the other night, and where we were staying in London was in spill fields. Oh, yeah. And we get there on the first night of, you know, we're, we're kinda tired, we decide to go out and get a bite the eat, and we walk probably a block out from the house. We're staying at turn the corner, and I immediately frozen in place because I'm looking smack at Christchurch, and I gotta say you were not messing around in from hell with just the overall just sinister geometry and general. Vibes coming off of that place. Absolutely. Without you more seeing it. It's been a long term since I've been down to spill fills, while I was working on from hell to be down there pretty much all the tone. But since torn tone have massively cleaned up and gentrified the area on. I'm glad to I'm glad to know that move church is still a horrifying. No. No. It is hilarious. It is totally gentrified around there. There's like a Uniqlo across the street. But at the same time, you know, the, the effect of that edifice is still very, very potent..
"alan moore" Discussed on Bill and Frank Eat Pop Culture
"All right, Bill. Well, we went super duper long and I wanna be whatever. Have a hard time heading ourselves. Yeah. I just just love hearing your DASA tones. I can't pull myself away but. I. I want to be somewhat cognizant of everybody's ability to listen to the whole show if that's what they wanna do. And I think we're pushing those limits. So I think what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna make the cohere Bill up that we're going to push our swamp thing reread to next week. Yeah. All right. Yet word word. And I think Alan Moore. He'll be fine. He'll be good. So next week we're gonna have a lot to talk about again. I'm sure because as you get to the summer things just keep dropping every every day. But as a very now, we'll be talking about money in the Bank results, I promise, and we'll do. Yeah. Swamp thing's something issues twenty and twenty one and of the game of thrones finale. We'll have our answers. I'm sure we'll have another bunch of outraged. You know entitled fans that. Oh. What's that? Losers losers. And, and then once again, like whatever drops between now and then will. We'll pick it up if it's interest to us. And if there's anything you guys want to talk about, please hit us up with a comment or, or, you know, a tweet. The podcast is now available on pod. Bean, I tunes. Stitcher Stitcher, which I, I thought was a gay dating website. But it's not it's a podcast site. Tune-in and Google podcasts. So I thought I thought pod bean was like a health food thing. Yeah. It's these names are amazing. But anyway, so you can get wherever's easiest for you there. I'm at Frankie seventy nine on Twitter, Bill. I'm at beam as one zero zero eight. I have many, many were I really don't. But I tweet like I do. Yeah, you would think Bill is one of the most sought after pop culture experts in the world the way he tweets. But hey man. Fake it till you make it so reach out, say, Hello, hoping joy, the second episode. Thanks for listening last week. Matt Ryan gave you enough wrestling talk, even though, once again, this is not a wrestling podcast. I think he missed that last week when we. Yeah. I kind of went over your head. But with this, Matt, this is not a wrestling podcast. I love you. But listen to the words coming out of my fucking mount. All right. All right. Phil have a good week talk to you next week. She everybody. Later..
Shane Black The Predator discussion
"Hey, listen. Not with me. Happy. New con- with big is Troy from talk nerdy to me with your daily Noubir giving you all the news that's fit to know. We're going to start with statues. Sideshow prime. One studios has new logo deluxe statue out sting is a monster is thirty nine inches tall. He has couple interchangeable handing down his laser rifle a shotgun orange us, behold a cigar. The other hand, of course has his icon of chain in hook. This statue also has dog between his legs down here at the bottom. And if you know logo, you know he loves his space dolphins and those are on the side there. Movable it is a huge statute limit. Seven hundred fifty pieces made the price is going to be up there. It's a one thousand eight hundred ninety nine. You can pre-order it right now is coming out the end of twenty nineteen beginning of twenty twenty and. They have a payment plan so you don't have to pay it all at once. You can make payments. Okay. If you're near a local comic shop that has is going to be participating local comic shop day, which is going to be November seventeenth. They have released to the special comics are coming out. Local comic shop day usually has exclusive comics for those participating stores. One of those is alien cz three, William Gibson's alien, three, unproductive screenplay. That in the I'm looking at it, the cover looks pretty good. It is going to be a part of one of the alien things that were not produced good story. The another book that was leased was image. Comics is going to be putting out a hardcover collection of the first six issues of Gideon falls by Jeff Lemaire. Getting falls pretty popular comic special. You can pick it up exclusive collection in hardcover. That's hard to pass up. So comic shop day go to your local comic store in CBO picking up November seventeenth, which is a Saturday, no skew should work. Video game players the WWE to k nineteen. His revealed some of their roster if you like the old eighties, nineties throwback, wrestlers you're going to be very happy, the WWF WCW era. They're bringing in. Tons of the old care designing rowdy. Roddy piper. Jake, the snake Roberts Ted DB Ozzy the million dollar man ultimate warrior ravishing Rick rude, Mr.. Perfect. DP Bret Hart leader and Ricky steamboat dragon, just the name of few. They are saying they still have a few more to announce for this than game will become an out Tober fifth. So if you're a wrestling video game fan, you don't wanna pick up w w e two k nineteen on October. Fifth. Stephen King fans, you're good. You're getting a lot of Stephen King lately. Well, they're doing some more. They're going to remake pet cemetery. If you're familiar repet- cemetery, that's the the show where the guys kid this year be spoilers books out forever and so's the first movie guys kid is he buries him in the. Indian burial ground which is supposed to bring them back to life and it does, but it brings them back different something wrong with them. So just looking at how they upgraded it from the first interruption of the movie that came out to the one just killed it. The box office is past year. I'm thinking pet cemetery will be the same thing. It's they're saying if he loved the book ago, the movie. So I'm thinking it's going to stay pretty true to the story. It was a very, very freaky. Scary book. I can't wait to see how they're going to make this modernize pet cemetery, but we'll have to wait till April fifth of twenty nineteen to see this movie. Okay. Gnocchi been reading affinity wars. You've seen that they have a kind of. A weird offshoot from that cone, Infinity warps were Gamarra's. She's gotten them vanity stones, and she's kind of folded the universe in on itself. And a lot of the characters have been combined merged as you had cabinet. American doctor strange were merged form soldier supreme thorn. Ironman merged, have iron hammer, and they revealed a new one. Just the other day wolverine was merged with Emma frost. His appearance didn't really change much still has the wolverine look except the. He's got the blonde hair a got the Pat. He's wearing a passionate like he did when he was when he was patched. I patch. The big differences you tell him his speech patterns is much got much more manners speaks more eloquently, but those still moving in, he gets his rage every once in a while. So if you like the idea of them merging two characters for a new one. There. He go Infinity warps with a p. they're doing and they've got other ones too, like they have ghost panther weapon Hex. Wolverine is not the only one to get merged bunch of our if that's your thing than you want to pick up infinitive warps. Okay, Batman. If you've been reading Justice league, you saw Batman is just been decimated. I mean, lex Luther. When he had the totality doorknob, he crushed Batman, broke all his arms legs. This left him in a bad way. And you saw the last Justice league issue. He had a a full body, armor suit that allowed him to keep moving around even though pretty much most the bones as body were were broken. He's gone one step further. Now he has his own little hover wheelchair. So he looks a lot like professor x with a big bat symbol on his chest. Sure. He's still pretty deadly. Even with that full body armor, he wolf to bunch of of legion of doom. He was pretty instrumental and then justly getting the totality away from lex Luther on. Now, he's taking easy. He's he's sitting instead of standing. But this, this hover chairs pretty armored up. I'm sure he's got it full of all kinds of weapons. So certainly Justice league. You're gonna see a bad just won't stop fighting and they're getting the totality transfer out how to get it to fix the source law. 'cause it's supposedly a battery used for creating universes. So they to figure out how to use it to fix our multi-diverse. Justice league Scott Snyder for you going with this. Don't worry that one to you. Okay. Harvey awards, their New York Comecon. They're going to have the presentation of twenty eighteen hall of fame in duck dis. It looks like there's only two of now, Dave Gibbons, if you tell me that's because he was the artist on the watchman. Alan Moore was the guy with the story. Dave Gibbons brought it to life on the page. He's at other stuff, but that's what is most known for. You know, he doesn't work on green lantern give me liberty and Kingsman, but he's getting a Harvey award at near Comecon during the thirtieth an award ceremony, October fifth. That's going to be end all bras chest. Yeah. Ross Chaz is going to get an award also. She'll be inducted. She did a lot of work for the New Yorker. She's also received the Reuben award, which is a pretty high award. So we've got those two pretty prominent people being inducted into the Harvey awards hall of fame, they both deserve it. Congratulations. The Oscars. There's
"alan moore" Discussed on The Allusionist
"Struck the notion of superheroes in this begins with books like alan moore and did get into watchmen and with uh rent miller's the dark night returns we start to look at these these characters who were created for children i meant to divide the world into good capital g an evil capital he and we say will there's got to be more to this right we gotta we've got a dig into the surface year so we start to deconstruct than we start to understand that uh if somebody a were actually do this to do this were living this would be a person who is perhaps nuts and that becomes the dominant superhero genre four but still it still kind of is that the disc what what is called grim gritty this the dark underside of these powers the unwanted powers so to shield yourself from this notion of the house of of the the superman notion basically of just they a golden a paragon of virtue which which is why we thought of his on relatable you create ground level heroes who refuse uh even some thing is a bad as as a codename like shadow strike and they just want to be called the missiles because they they they want to pass among as exactly it's exactly right there is there just go by their names like jessica jones and luke cage and you know 'cause lou cages other name is power man which sounds silly i love these things for their ghuchan us their inherent kookiness uh so i i loved the days of power man an iron fist but i can understand the appeal of of taking it down a notch and trying to figure out what you have left when you when you if you just take the powers as red uh but you're trying to figure out who these people actually are what what drives them what motivates them then slapping somebody in a name like power man power man is cup to cut of relate to hence luke cage and jessica jones i suppose is well if you've got a name like jessica jiang's rather than invisible thing raised it then it gives you options you not just confined to using your visibility pilot right exactly you could also.
"alan moore" Discussed on WNYC 93.9 FM
"That they were untouchable and so they didn't take these other challenges very seriously and i think it was sort of this this woeful ignorance on their part that they didn't think marvel had anything special to offer but then they began publishing comics that were more experimental and aidid who add adults like neil game in san man series and alan moore's watchman the dow was there that the idea was not to imitate marvelled but to to make a leap above yes a starting in the 80s marvel for the most part has stuck with its standard superheroes stories for much of its history but starting in the eighties dc really made an effort to branch out and publish all sorts of different kinds of 'matir you mentioned san man in a not really superhero comic a very literate fantasy comic mullah graphic novels and comic books exactly so i give dc a lot of credit for branching out and really broadening their horizons of the industry bringing in new readers who would necessarily read the regular superhero comics the comic book industry has gone through cycles of boom and bust is that reflected in the rivalry it is i mean they're certainly times where a superhero comics have fallen out of favor that happened in the late 40s f the war were too and there are times where in the '70s dc almost went out of business in the nineties marvel almost went out of business it went into bankruptcy in so what led to that they were selling comic books weren't they they were right they got taken over by this wall street financiere who just looked at it is a way to print money and as a way to in basically make money off merchandise and he didn't really care too much about publishing but then it became the first superman movie in 1979 yup that that changed these companies totally it did you know this is when dc was really having some trouble in the publishing division and they all new inside these see the superman movie was coming and they looked at it is something that might really safe publishing but for whatever reason people who saw the superman movie and it was a giant hit didn't necessarily then go and buy superman comics and the industry wasn't sure why and that still having to this day people who go out and.
"alan moore" Discussed on MYfm 104.3
"This the four three my fm available anywhere you go on the iheartradio app now now alan moore for the to do we do we this so we do all we lose the everywhere all oh no oh paul were wrong almost yeah whoa do you laura dern burns down the new now the.